[01:17] <funkyHat> Oh man the annoying "this folder isn't synced" notice got even more obnoxious...
[02:42] <Chipaca> funkyHat: why more obnoxious?
[02:43] <funkyHat> Chipaca: it's now an even longer message, and takes up 2 lines
[02:44] <Chipaca> popey: ping
[02:45] <Chipaca> popey: did you ever file a bug re the per-folder syncing message?
[02:45] <funkyHat> Chipaca: there is a bug, hold on
[02:46] <funkyHat> bug #601102
[02:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 601102 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "ubuntu one disabled notice in every nautilus window (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601102
[02:50] <Chipaca> ok
[03:03] <nUboon2Age> Just wanted to let people know I documented how to get Harald Sitter (apachelogger)'s ubuntu-kde and ubuntuone-gnome-client working on Kubuntu.  See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522137
[03:08] <Chipaca> what was the bug re syncing some of the xdg folders automatically on signup?
[03:11] <Chipaca> funkyHat: what version of ubuntuone-client-gnome are you using?
[03:11] <funkyHat> Chipaca: 1.3.4-0ubuntu1
[03:11] <nUboon2Age> So far I've confirmed file syncing and Tomboy notes syncing on Kubuntu.  I havent tried contacts or music syncing on any platform yet.  I've also confirmed Tomboy note syncing working on Windows (vista); also file syncing on Portable Ubuntu on Windows (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522852  -- I haven't tried Tomboy yet, but don't anticipate any problem).
[03:12] <Chipaca> funkyHat: I have the same version, and am not seeing the extended per-folder message
[03:13] <funkyHat> Chipaca: it's showing only in dirs under ~ now
[03:14] <Chipaca> funkyHat: yes, I know
[03:14] <Chipaca> funkyHat: but I'm only seeing "ubuntu one disabled"
[03:14] <funkyHat> Chipaca: ah ok. I'm now seeing "Ubuntu One - folder not synchronized", and on a second line "These files are not backed up and will not be available in your other computers"
[03:15] <Chipaca> let me reinstall libsyncdaemon
[03:16] <Chipaca> now yes! thanks funkyHat :)
[03:16] <nUboon2Age> Clarification: I got Tomboy note syncing working on Windows (Vista) using Ubuntu One to sync, but without any specific Windows Client-side U1 software. Under the sync prefs I put Tomboy Web, and then gave https://one.ubuntu.com/notes and 'Connected'.  The browser prompted me to add the computer, and once I'd done that I saved it.  It just worked! :)
[03:17] <Chipaca> nUboon2Age: if you could come online tomorrow between 8z and 16z, approx, and talk to mandel, he's working on the windows client and has an installer you might want to try
[03:17] <nUboon2Age> Chipaca: is 'z' mean GMT?
[03:18] <nUboon2Age> Chipaca: i should say does 'z' mean in GMT time zone?
[03:20] <Chipaca> nUboon2Age: z is UTC
[03:20] <Chipaca> yes
[03:21] <Chipaca> "zulu"
[03:21] <nUboon2Age> Chipaca: sounds good. I'll try and catch up with him soon, if not tommorrow.
[03:26] <funkyHat> Chipaca: I'm not sure why you're thanking me ;(
[03:28] <Chipaca> funkyHat: because I wanted to see the new message and wasn't, and I thought it was because it wasn't in the repo yet, but it was only because I had overwritten the libsyncdaemon .so while doing some tests, and needed to reinstall
[03:29] <Chipaca> I'm moving to have the message removed in a lot of cases, and made smaller / briefer in others
[03:29] <funkyHat> Chipaca: as you've possibly gathered from the bug report I'd rather it just went away
[03:30] <Chipaca> funkyHat: why would you rather it just went away?
[03:30] <Chipaca> funkyHat: or rather, in which cases? always? how would you accomplish what it's trying to accomplish, then?
[03:31] <Chipaca> funkyHat: these are not rhetorical questions; I really want to know
[03:32] <funkyHat> Chipaca: I would rather just see emblems on synced files. That would be much less obtrusive, and actually be able to provide more information (this file is syncing now, for example)
[03:32] <funkyHat> And the reason I would rather it went away is I find it obtrusive ;)
[03:32] <funkyHat> Kind of like "HII I'M UBUNTU ONE WHY AREN'T YOU USING ME HERE? HUH?"
[03:34] <Chipaca> funkyHat: you do get that the message is not telling you whether the files are actually synced, but rather whether the folder is being synced?
[03:34] <Chipaca> funkyHat: i.e. whether it is being kept in sync?
[03:34] <funkyHat> Chipaca: yes
[03:35] <Chipaca> funkyHat: how wouold you do that with an emblem?
[03:35] <Chipaca> funkyHat: I mean
[03:36] <Chipaca> funkyHat: well, I mean that, please fill out the idea. I know the per-folder thing isn't ideal, but I think it is, in some situations, better than the alternatives
[03:36] <Chipaca> in some other situations it needs to just not be there at all (such as when file syncing is disabled)
[03:36] <funkyHat> Chipaca: I would probably do it the way dropbox does it
[03:37] <Chipaca> funkyHat: dropbox allows you to synchronize any folder in your home? how does it expose that?
[03:39] <funkyHat> Chipaca: oh you mean how I'd expose the option. I'd do that in the context menu for a dir and in a menu
[03:39] <funkyHat> no, dropbox doesn't have that facility
[03:41] <Chipaca> funkyHat: the context menu is already too big
[03:41] <Chipaca> funkyHat: we had it there, before, and it was unusable
[03:41] <funkyHat> Chipaca: and now the top of the window in nautilus is also too big
[03:42] <Chipaca> funkyHat: yes. But we can shring that quite a bit.
[03:42] <Chipaca> *shrink
[03:45] <funkyHat> I can't remember exactly how it was when it was in the context menu, but if I recall there were a couple of top level options, and it did look quite messy.
[03:49] <Chipaca> funkyHat: yep. And I understand we don't have a lot of control over that from the plugin.
[03:50] <funkyHat> I think the other uses of that widget in nautilus are generally more useful (though I'm not especially keen on the "this device has photos on it" type ones either)... e.g. the recycle bin/wastebasket is a special type of "folder" where there's a specific action I'm likely to want to perform. Normal folders aren't special
[04:06] <Chipaca> I agree, and I agree it's far from optimal... but as I say, still better than our alternatives, for M at least.
[04:08] <funkyHat> Chipaca: I think a single submenu for any ubuntu one options in the context menu (unless there's just a single option) would be much better, but it sounds like you've already decided against that
[04:09] <Chipaca> funkyHat: AFAIK we can't add a submenu
[04:09] <Chipaca> funkyHat: from a plugin, that is
[04:09] <funkyHat> Chipaca: dropbox does it
[04:09] <funkyHat> Their nautilus plugin is open source too
[04:09] <Chipaca> funkyHat: I understand there are two kinds of nautilus plugin, and we'd have to be the other kind. But maybe I've got it wrong.
[04:10] <Chipaca> funkyHat: I'll ask.
[04:13] <funkyHat> Chipaca: thanks. A possibility that just came to me is to use a windicator instead ;)
[04:14] <Chipaca> hah!
[04:14] <Chipaca> not for M, no
[04:16] <funkyHat> Well, in the meantime is there some way I can turn off these annoying notices without disabling ubuntu one completely?
[04:18] <Chipaca> funkyHat: you could remove the nautilus extension...
[04:20] <funkyHat> Chipaca: thanks ⢁)
[04:44] <geekilized> "There was a (temporary) problem getting your list of purchased songs. Please wait a short time and then try again, or return to the music store." - I have been getting this message for 3 days
[04:46] <geekilized> is it just me?
[04:51] <geekilized> anyone?
[04:57] <geekilized> someone?
[04:59] <geekilized> no one?
[05:00] <geekilized> ok why is everyone in the channel anyways if nobody is gonna reply? what's the point of even having this channel?
[07:09] <psypher246> honk
[07:24] <duanedesign> psypher246: hello
[07:25] <psypher246> howzit, before logging a bug I want to talk to u guys 1st. Files deleted on my laptop do not delete on the server or other pc's, what could be the issue?
[07:27] <duanedesign> psypher246: ok
[07:27] <duanedesign> psypher246: could you open a terminal and run the command:  u1sdtool -s
[07:28] <psypher246> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[07:28] <psypher246>     connection: With User With Network
[07:28] <psypher246>     description: processing queues
[07:28] <psypher246>     is_connected: True
[07:28] <psypher246>     is_error: False
[07:28] <psypher246>     is_online: True
[07:28] <psypher246>     queues: IDLE
[07:29] <duanedesign> psypher246: where these files in your Ubuntu One folder?
[07:29] <psypher246> yes
[07:30] <duanedesign> psypher246: ok. lets try restarting the syncdaemon. Could you run the following command
[07:30] <duanedesign> u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c
[07:32] <psypher246> funny now it looks, after almost a wek, it's suddenly deleting the files
[07:32] <psypher246> b4 i ran that command i logged onto u1 client and clicked connect, but this is the 1st time it was disconnected
[07:33] <psypher246> although just SOME of the files have deleted, dunno if it's still working
[07:33] <duanedesign> psypher246:  can you run the command:  u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[07:34] <duanedesign> it will return a number. Thats the number of metadata items waiting to sync
[07:34] <psypher246> 4
[07:34] <duanedesign> ok so it still has 4 more things to do
[07:35] <duanedesign> you can also use that same command but replace metadata with content
[07:35] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[07:35] <psypher246> 0
[07:36] <duanedesign> ok so it only has those 4 metadata items
[07:36] <psypher246> that now 5 :)
[07:38] <duanedesign> heh, its going the wrong direction :)
[07:39] <psypher246> now it's 6
[07:46] <psypher246> ok it's gone now
[07:47] <psypher246> duanedesign: the website is also very unstable, constantly timing out and providing errors yet the staus says it's fine
[07:47] <psypher246> We're sorry. Something's not working correctly. Please try again or check the Ubuntu One status page. If this issue continues, please file a bug. Thanks!
[07:48] <duanedesign> psypher246: ok. Is this one.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <psypher246> ye
[07:48] <psypher246> the sync is finishd but only some of the files were deleted
[07:48] <psypher246> logging out and in again of the web site fixes the timeout issue
[07:52] <popey> Chipaca: i have seen those bugs about the u1 banner in nautilus and I'm still not happy that it's "fixed"
[07:55] <duanedesign> psypher246: so some of them did delete, but not all of them?
[08:11] <psypher246> duanedesign: yes
[08:13] <duanedesign> can you run  u1sdtool -s  again
[08:13] <duanedesign> psypher246: ^^
[08:20] <psypher246> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[08:20] <psypher246>     connection: With User With Network
[08:20] <psypher246>     description: processing queues
[08:20] <psypher246>     is_connected: True
[08:20] <psypher246>     is_error: False
[08:20] <psypher246>     is_online: True
[08:20] <psypher246>     queues: IDLE
[08:20] <psypher246> why is the website so unstable, have to log out and in again after each time i browse the olders
[08:20] <duanedesign> hmm
[08:22] <psypher246> lol, this is our MOTD from the man we   call root:
[08:22] <psypher246> See, I told you it was easy. Unix is very user-friendly, just a little bit
[08:22] <psypher246> picky about who it's friends are.
[08:23] <duanedesign> :)
[08:23] <psypher246> there is a whole bash explanation leading up to that but not gonna bore you ;)
[08:23] <duanedesign> psypher246: can you try the copmmand we did earlier to restart the syncdaemon
[08:23] <psypher246> have a lot of non-nix people wokring on our jumbhosts
[08:23] <duanedesign> u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c
[08:24] <psypher246> k
[08:24] <mandel> ping vds
[08:25] <psypher246> u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[08:25] <psypher246> 4
[08:26] <duanedesign> psypher246:  do you have anything in this file    ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[08:26] <psypher246> no
[08:30] <duanedesign> psypher246: ok. well lets take a look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[08:30] <duanedesign> psypher246: could post the contents at  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <duanedesign> psypher246: this log does have your file names in it
[08:31] <duanedesign> psypher246: so if you have anything personal or proprietary you can obfuscate it
[08:31] <psypher246> http://paste.ubuntu.com/465786/
[08:32] <duanedesign> never now :) Someone might keep their entire girly picture collection in their Uuntu One folder :P
[08:32] <psypher246> oh i do ;)
[08:32] <psypher246> lol
[08:32] <psypher246> meh ;0
[08:33] <duanedesign> :)
[08:33] <psypher246> but it's the client documentation that won't delete ;)
[08:33] <psypher246> less important to backup
[08:35] <vds> mandel: pong
[08:35] <mandel> vds, morning! :D
[08:36] <vds> mandel: morning!
[08:36] <mandel> so, I'm nearly done with the installer, I just need your help with S3 ;)
[08:37] <mandel> mandel, the installer now will download all the different msi from s3, so besides the gtk sharp you created, I need a tomboyone and a UbuntuOne that we have
[08:37] <vds> mandel: sure!
[08:37] <mandel> I just need to put something in S3 to test
[08:37] <mandel> vds, I'll put the file in the ubuntu one share, ok?
[08:37] <vds> mandel: yep
[08:39] <psypher246> duanedesign: the meatadata count is now 0 but the files are still there
[08:39] <mandel> vds, can i upload files to the share through the webui?
[08:41] <vds> mandel: yes
[08:42] <nUboon2Age> mandel: Chipaca_ told me i should check in with you about a windows client/installer test you are doing.
[08:42] <mandel> vds, mm then I'm stupid 'cause I do not see the upload buttons :(
[08:43] <mandel> nUboon2Age, good morning :D, yes we are working on it, what do you want to know?
[08:44] <duanedesign> psypher246: well i dont see anything in that log.  The file is gone from your local U1 folder but still exists on the server?
[08:44] <psypher246> yes
[08:44] <nUboon2Age> mandel: good morning to you (about to knock off where i am).  It sounded like it might be something i could try out -- like beta test.
[08:45] <vds> mandel: is at the top near Files, search for upload in the page
[08:46] <nUboon2Age> mandel: i've been alpha testing apachelogger's ubuntuone-kde .  Got it running...  been wanting to get a windows client running, so i guess you're the person to talk to.
[08:46] <mandel> nUboon2Age, that would be awesome, but we have a lot of work yet to do to adapt the sync daemon to work correctly, neverthelles I'm sure as soon as there is working client your help yould be greatly welcome :D
[08:47] <nUboon2Age> mandel: sounds good.  any idea of the timeline when i could play with it?
[08:48] <mandel> nUboon2Age, I would love to have it in 2 weeks or so, but it all depends on the bugs and problems we find in our way
[08:48] <mandel> nUboon2Age, there is though some help you can give use with the initial installer we have, we are creating a single installer that will download and install for you UbuntuOne, tomboy and GtkSharp if needed, so it would be great if you hang around here this week so we can ask you to try it out
[08:48] <mandel> vds, no buttons in my webui with chrome :(
[08:49] <mandel> vds, I did a search in the page and all
[08:49] <vds> mandel: ah, it's read only for you, quite strange I'm sure I set it read/write
[08:50] <mandel> vds, no problem, is early in the morning ;)
[08:51] <vds> mandel: well I did it last week not today :) please accept the share again
[08:52] <mandel> vds, ok
[08:52] <mandel> vds, cool now is ok, I'll upload the examples right now into a folder called installers
[08:53] <vds> ok
[08:53] <mandel> vds, I'm uploading the gtksharp too just for completness, but we have that on in s3 already
[08:55] <gord> hi all, having troubles getting ubuntu one to sign in. preferences says name/email are "Unknown". not quite sure how to get it to pick up my sso
[08:55] <mandel> vds, the UbuntuOne.msi is just an example, it does not do much, but is enough for testing
[08:56] <duanedesign> gord: have you added your computer to your Ubuntu One account
[08:58] <gord> duanedesign, I wouldn't know how :) but i'm sure this machine was added at some point in the past but has been formatted since
[08:58] <duanedesign> psypher246: might be easiest if you did file a bug. That would be an easy way to get your logs uo so we can look at them. zip you ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/  and attach it to the bug. To file a bug run the command ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client
[08:58] <duanedesign> psypher246: then post the bug number here \
[08:58] <psypher246> ok cool will do
[08:58] <psypher246> thanks
[08:59] <duanedesign> gord: ok well lets look at Applications > Accessories > Password ans Encryption
[09:00] <duanedesign> gord: Click on the arrow next to "Passwords" and look for an Ubuntu One Token
[09:00] <gord> duanedesign, Yup got an ubuntu one token with a large password
[09:00] <nUboon2Age> mandel: yes, I'd probably be able to.  I'm kinda on the opposite schedule from you.  how would you want to coordinate?
[09:00] <duanedesign> gord: ok r-click and delete it
[09:01] <mandel> nUboon2Age, mm good question! let me give you my email, that way you an contact me easily
[09:01] <duanedesign> gord: Go to https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/
[09:01] <nUboon2Age> mandel: sounds good.
[09:02] <duanedesign> gord: if your computer is listed click the checkbox next to the computer and  Click the "Remove selected computers" button
[09:02] <gord> duanedesign, okay done
[09:03] <duanedesign> gord: now open the ubuntu one preferences from the Me Menu
[09:04] <duanedesign> gord: if that does not trigger the browser to add your computer open a terminal and run the command:  u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login; u1sdtool -c
[09:05] <duanedesign> gord: run the command after closing the Ubuntu One Preferences
[09:07] <gord> duanedesign, okay did all that but its still not triggering a browser =\
[09:08] <duanedesign> gord: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[09:08] <gord> duanedesign, maverick, all the latest updates
[09:08] <gord> duanedesign, do you happen to be at the platform sprint?
[09:09] <duanedesign> gord: no
[09:09] <gord> ah shame
[09:10] <duanedesign> gord: you are using Firefox.
[09:10] <duanedesign> gord: and Firefox is selected under system . preferences > preffered applications
[09:10] <gord> duanedesign, logged out and back in now i get it asking me to add the machine and connects :)
[09:10] <gord> thanks!
[09:11] <duanedesign> gord: ok so you had to log out of the desktop and back in?
[09:11] <gord> duanedesign, yeah
[09:11] <duanedesign> gord: ok  just want to make sure i know incase someone else shows up with the same issue :)
[09:15] <psypher246> duanedesign: so do you know about the web site and it's stability issues?
[09:15] <duanedesign> i didnt experience anything here
[09:15] <psypher246> everytime i click on a folder i get kicked out and have to log in again, i can only browse once per session
[09:16] <psypher246> sometimes not even once
[09:17] <duanedesign> psypher246: thats not good
[09:18] <psypher246> under what application would i log that bug?
[09:18] <duanedesign> psypher246: ubuntuone-servers
[09:19] <psypher246> duanedesign: 607102 bug number for the delete issue
[09:19] <duanedesign> bug 607102
[09:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 607102 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "deleted files do not delete on ubuntuone web or other machines (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607102
[09:20] <psypher246> yes
[09:37] <pedronis> morning
[09:38] <duanedesign> pedronis: morning
[09:39] <duanedesign> psypher246: can you try the command:    find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone -name '62eaf9c9-58cd-4f02-a784-f5b14100025d' -delete
[09:39] <psypher246> duanedesign: WHAT DOES THAT DO?>
[09:39] <psypher246> woops sorry caps
[09:40] <duanedesign> psypher246: it will delete that piece of metadata
[09:40] <duanedesign> psypher246: sometimes those bits of metadata get corrumpted and prevent proper operation
[09:40] <psypher246> duanedesign: sorry which peice, is this the one stopping the data from syncing?
[09:42] <duanedesign> psypher246: could very well be. There are errors in the logs associated with an unlink command and this is the metadata for that bit of info. It will recreate the metadata
[09:42] <duanedesign> psypher246: might want to u1sdtool -q
[09:43] <duanedesign> psypher246: then:   rm ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/vm/shares/6/2/e/62eaf9c9-58cd-4f02-a784-f5b14100025d
[09:43] <duanedesign> either one the find command and that rm command will do the same
[09:44] <duanedesign> psypher246: after the rm command run u1sdtool -c and give it a bit to see if it works
[09:49] <psypher246> duanedesign: done but no real difference
[10:17] <vds> mandel: for some reason the upload is sloooow today but it's almost finished
[10:17] <vds> mandel: same folder as the other one
[10:18] <mandel> vds, ok, na,es are the same that
[10:18] <mandel> vds, I gave u?
[10:19] <vds> mandel: ...what? :)
[10:20] <mandel> vds, nothing, me being stupid :P
[10:21] <vds> mandel: finally, upload completed
[10:25] <mandel> vds, oks, lets try it out!
[10:30] <mandel> vds, works like a charm!
[10:30] <mandel> I'll update the result setup.exe to the share so you can try it out, it if works I'll make some changes in the build and we can merge :D
[10:30] <vds> mandel: 'couse you're a wizard! :)
[10:31] <vds> cool!
[10:31] <mandel> vds, haha that is a terrible joke
[10:31] <vds> it's monday...
[10:31] <mandel> vds, excuses
[10:32] <mandel> vds, can u try the setup.exe in the ubuntuone share?
[10:32] <vds> mandel: sure
[10:32] <mandel> vds, if that works we have an installer that downloads the different msi from the net and installs them
[10:33] <mandel> vds, we need images and all those preaty things.. but nessita took THE designer from us :(
[10:33] <mandel> mandel, I'm sure she is doins something more important anyway...
[10:33] <nessita> mandel: THE designer is free but he's AFK right now
[10:33] <nessita> mandel: so stop wining :-P
[10:34] <mandel> nessita, haha I knew you would jump ;)
[10:34] <nessita> :-D
[10:34] <nessita> mandel: you know me dude
[10:35] <mandel> nessita, Great minds think alike
[10:36] <mandel> vds, got the installer? does it work in your machine?
[10:36] <vds> mandel: downloading
[10:36] <mandel> vds,  the installer or the diff components?
[10:39] <vds> mandel: the components
[10:39] <mandel> vds, ok, so the setup is small enough, right?
[10:40] <vds> yes
[10:40] <vds> mandel: it is asking two times for the license
[10:40] <mandel> yes, that is somthing we have to talk about, it will ask per comonent since they might have differencent licenses
[10:40] <mandel> vds, ^
[10:41] <vds> mandel: that is fine I guess
[10:41] <mandel> vds, so far is on purpose, maybe the initial one is not needed (the one under the list of components)
[10:41] <vds> as long as we make it clear
[10:41] <vds> and the user understand what's happening
[10:41] <mandel> vds, yep, maybe removing the first one is the best option
[10:42] <mandel> vds, I'll remove the first one to make sure it is not confusing
[10:43] <vds> cool
[10:43] <mandel> vds, I've fixed that, what about the rest of the experience? does dowloading etc work?
[10:44] <vds> mandel: installing tomboy now
[10:45] <mandel> vds, ok
[10:46] <mandel> vds, did you create the script to upload data to s3?
[10:47] <vds> mandel: I haven't fix it yet to support folder I was having fun with win on ec2
[10:47] <vds> mandel: I do it asap
[10:47] <mandel> vds, no proble, I guess the most important thing is to set up windows in ec2 and start setting it up to make the builds
[10:48] <mandel> vds, we can sort out the uploading later
[10:48] <vds> mandel: I better fix the script it shouldn't take too much
[10:49] <mandel> vds, yes, but it is a script that will not be useful to put in the src, right? contributers will not be able to upload anything anyway
[10:50] <vds> mandel: I had a previous version of gtk# and it failed to install it
[10:50] <mandel> vds, ok, I'll make sure the installer does not execute if you have gtksharp or tomboy, I'll get on it right away
[10:51] <mandel> vds, actually, better I'll propose a merge with the code so far, we then file two bugs, one for tomboy being installed when already present and other one for gtk, agree?
[10:52] <vds> mandel: agreed
[10:54] <vds> mandel: last thing when the installer has finished it shouldn't propose you to install again, it's a bit confusing...
[10:55] <mandel> vds, mm I guess that is a bug related with the fact that gtksharp failed, let me merge and we file the bugs ;)
[10:55] <vds> ah
[10:55] <vds> ok
[11:59] <mandel> vds, got the bootstrapper to be generated?
[12:31] <dskrbt> honk
[12:43] <vds> mandel: nope, cannot find InstallerLinker.exe
[12:43] <vds> mandel: probably I'm missing something
[12:43] <mandel> vds, muffinresearch told me, I'll add the lib in the tools folders, I must have missed it when I added it with bzr
[12:44] <mandel> vds, give me a sec
[12:44] <vds> mandel: sure
[12:44] <mandel> vds, bazaar works funny on windows sometimes... I though I added it ..
[12:47] <mandel> vds, can u update the branch and try again.... sorry again, I though I added the bin folder
[12:51] <mandel> vds, can u try again?
[12:51] <vds> mandel: sure
[12:56] <vds> mandel: installing again
[12:57] <mandel> vds, cool, thx, I do not know wahy bzr add dir/ irnogres binaries, do you know why?
[12:58] <mandel> vds, or I am stupid, which is more probable :P
[13:04] <vds> mandel: don't know
[13:07] <Chipaca> mandel: nuboon2age_ got things (not quite sure which parts) in portable windows (or was it portable ubuntu?)
[13:12] <mandel> Chipaca, which parts? he told be about portable ubuntu.. AFAIK there is not portable windows (no pun intended)
[13:13] <Chipaca> mandel: as I said, I'm not sure which parts. And yes, portable ubuntu.
[13:19] <mandel> Chipaca, I talked with he did not mention anyhting about windows
[13:20] <Chipaca> mandel: ok
[13:21] <vds> mandel: the installer hangs trying to install tomboy
[13:21] <vds> I try again
[13:22] <mandel> vds, that is an issue with tomboy msi.. I wonder what happens
[13:22] <mandel> there should be logs somehwere from tomboy
[13:22] <vds> mandel: somewhere? :)
[13:24] <mandel> vds, let me find out, it depends on the msi ...
[13:31] <mandel> vds, does windows ask for permission when you install Tomboy???
[13:32] <vds> mandel: permissions meaning?
[13:32] <vds> the usual security alert?
[13:32] <mandel> vds, yes, that stupid message ;)
[13:32] <vds> only once for ubuntuone I think
[13:33] <mandel> can u try again and let me know
[13:34] <vds> mandel: ah
[13:34] <vds> tries to install tomboy first and gtk# after
[13:34] <vds> and doesn't work...
[13:36] <mandel> vds,
[13:36] <mandel> vds, aha, that should be the other way around then, first gtksharp, and then tomboy
[13:37] <mandel> vds, we will fail if we do not have gtksharp in the system
[13:38] <mandel> vds, the problem I have is that users can decide not to install gtksharp in the menu... should I disable that?
[13:41] <vds> mandel: I'd say yes :)
[13:41] <mandel> vds, ok, sorted then, we install UbuntuOne and GtkSharp if not present (bug to be added) and will let users select the other software, ok?
[13:42] <vds> mandel: so now the installer created from the branch doesn't work?
[13:43] <mandel> vds, if you let me update it, it will, so far it does not... we need to move gtksharp to install before tomboy
[13:43] <mandel> vds, I did not think about that....
[13:43] <vds> mandel: ok
[13:43] <mandel> vds, give me 3 seconds to change it and 5 min to push it to lp ;)
[13:44] <vds> take your time I'm not going anywhere :)
[13:49] <mandel> vds, fixed :D
[13:49] <vds> cool
[13:49] <mandel> vds, god I hate making installers...
[13:49] <mandel> vds, rebuild it and let me know
[13:50] <mandel> if you have the libs already installed it will ask you if you want to repear them... that will be a bug later on, it should ask nothing
[14:01] <Chipaca> Ubuntu One Desktop+ standup meeting starting un Mumble
[14:05] <llllbbbb> Hello... yestarday i purchase music from ubuntu one music store but the mp3s bitrate wasn't 192 as stated in the store.They are 96kbps making them hardly bareable to lisen to...... I tried yestarday to contact 7digital through the form in rhytmbox-ubuntu-one but iam not sure if they got my mesage.(After submiting the mesage in the contact form the form reapeared empty without saying if the message was delivered )Should i try a di
[14:09] <llllbbbb> or wait a couple of days?
[14:29] <vds> mandel: works
[14:30] <mandel> vds, then I merge :D, right ?
[14:30] <vds> mandel: yep
[14:30] <mandel> vds, awesome, as soon as that is done I'll propose an other took I was keeping for later ;)
[14:31] <vds> took?
[14:47] <dobey> llllbbbb: I'm not sure what the exact behavior of that form is supposed to be, but it sounds like maybe you should try to submit your rquest again, just to be on the safe side. have you received any e-mail confirmation of your request?
[14:49] <llllbbbb> dobey: No response to my mail. I submited 2 times yesterday.....i ll try again then.
[14:53] <statik> nice, https://encrypted.google.com/
[15:00] <psypher246> duanedesign: how do i set that bug to privtae for ubuntuone team only?
[15:00] <duanedesign> hello psypher246
[15:01] <duanedesign> everyone is real busy but i wiill try and get someonr to look at that for you
[15:01] <duanedesign> psypher246: to make it private...
[15:01] <mandel> vds, I have asked the bootstrapper project if we can have a component depending on the selection of another one (tomboy --> gtksharp) if not, I'll contribute to the project with a patch to do it.. 'til then we will always install gtksharp (bummer)
[15:02] <vds> mandel: ok
[15:02] <duanedesign> psypher246: see under your name
[15:02] <psypher246> duanedesign: no worries i know, i have to go as well. but yeah just want to make it private
[15:02] <duanedesign> psypher246: well get it sorted
[15:02] <duanedesign> psypher246: is the website still messing up?
[15:02] <mandel> vds, is in c++ so it should be ok
[15:03] <psypher246> duanedesign: no i mean this bug
[15:03] <psypher246> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/607102
[15:03] <ubot4> psypher246: Error: Bug #607102 is private.
[15:03] <psypher246> duanedesign: yeah this site is still messed, but that bug is logged
[15:03] <psypher246> ah ok, thanks
[15:07] <llllbbbb> dobey: Thanks, this time the form rsponded that they will contact me. I must have been doing sth wrong, but iam sure yesterday after submiting the form it just reapeard empty.Anyway, thanks again....
[15:07] <dobey> llllbbbb: sure :)
[15:29] <miked595> I noticed on a couple of my machines all my files were missing from Ubuntu One. I started up my laptop but kept it offline and made a fresh backup of my files. As soon as I connected to the internet my files disappeared. Has this happened to anyone here?
[15:30] <mkarnicki> miked595: no, but it sounds really bad. duanedesign ^ any help on that?
[15:32] <miked595> Only thing I could think of is that I built a new machine and a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.04. I was looking for my files to sync down but they didnt and they were gone from the one.ubuntu.com site as well. I restored the files from my backup and they synced on all my machines
[15:34] <duanedesign> miked595: hello
[15:35] <miked595> hi
[15:38] <duanedesign> miked595: hard to say how that happened. For some reason it thought it you wanted to reve those files. The sync works two ways. Files removed on one machine will be removed from all machines, or files removed from the server will trigger a delete.
[15:39] <miked595> duanedesign: that's why I think my new install could be the reason.
[15:40] <duanedesign> miked595: was it a fresh install? Did you preserve the $Home from the old install?
[15:41] <duanedesign> miked595: oh i see it was a new machine
[15:41] <miked595> duanedesign: Didn't the one.ubuntu.com site have a history and way to restore files? I am pretty sure I saw this a while back. I did copy my files from an old home dir.
[15:42] <duanedesign> miked595: not yet. That is a feature that is being worked on. You can however get your files back if you  did not have a back up
[15:43] <miked595> duanedesign: I must have missed the Ubuntu One dir. That makes sense now.
[15:44] <duanedesign> miked595: if you need to get your files back you can run:  wget  http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/ubuntuone-account-info
[15:44] <duanedesign> in a Terminal
[15:45] <mandel> vds, do yo remember the bugs you mentioned about the installer, can you create them in lp so that I know what to fix?
[15:45] <miked595> duanedesign: good to know. I was able to back them up, so all is well now
[15:45] <duanedesign> miked595: then run the command :  python ubuntuone-account-info
[15:46] <duanedesign> miked595: you would then need to send that email to an Ubuntu One developer and they could get your files that way
[15:49] <miked595> duanedesign: nice, thank you!
[15:49] <miked595> ok well off to see why I only see 8 of my 12 threads in cpuinfo
[15:51] <duanedesign> good luch miked595
[15:55] <vds> mandel: sure
[15:55] <mandel> vds, thnx
[16:13] <mandel> vds, mind approving this: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix_nant_warnings
[16:13] <mandel> vds, I know you looked at it already, maybe you just forgot
[16:21] <vds> mandel: all approved
[16:22] <mandel> vds, cool, we need one more approval... I really think we should be able to work with just on approval... otherwhise we are going to go VERY slow
[16:22] <mandel> vds, I fear we might take too much time from muffinresearch
[16:23] <vds> mandel: we can talk with Chipaca
[16:23] <muffinresearch> mandel: It's not too much of a problem I have the vm all set up.
[16:23] <muffinresearch> mandel: which one is it - fix_nant_warings?
[16:24] <muffinresearch> warnings even
[16:24] <mandel> muffinresearch, yes, that is one of then
[16:24] <mandel> muffinresearch, did I miss type it? hehe is possible :P
[16:24] <muffinresearch> mandel: nope that was just me :)
[16:25] <mandel> muffinresearch, strange... I usually make those mistakes :P
[16:26] <muffinresearch> mandel: what was the other one? add_wix?
[16:26] <mandel> muffinresearch, add_wix is also ready... is the same as the others only in this case you should uninstall wix and be able to build the msi
[16:26] <mandel> muffinresearch, yes, that one
[16:26] <muffinresearch> mandel: ok cool, np
[16:26] <mandel> muffinresearch, thx
[16:31] <oddy> Hey, how do I know if my local couchDB is linked to the ubuntu one?
[16:36] <muffinresearch> mandel: I've approved both of those.
[16:46] <duanedesign> oddy: hello
[16:47] <duanedesign> oddy: right now its not easy. Couch replication is disabled at the moment
[16:51] <urbanape> aaronb: yo!
[16:51] <aaronb> howdy!
[16:53] <beuno> aaronb!
[16:53] <aaronb> hello!
[17:17] <duffydack> Can I delete the ubuntuone folder without any 'damage'? I never use it.
[17:18] <duffydack> I mean, I use U1 with my own shared folders, not the U1 folder.
[17:21] <duanedesign> duffydack: thats a good question. Not sure I feel confident answering that :) If you can idle for a bit someone might chime in with an answer for you.
[17:35] <beuno> that's a good question
[17:35] <beuno> facundobatista, around to answer duffydack?
[17:36] <facundobatista> duffydack, no, you never should remove that folder unless you uninstall the whole ubuntuone-syncdaemon package (and maybe other bits)
[17:37] <facundobatista> duffydack, we plan to stop having that "special folder", but so far it's needed
[18:12] <duffydack> facundobatista, its ok, i`ll just add it to .hidden or something then.
[18:13] <facundobatista> duffydack, what is '.hidden'?
[18:15] <duffydack> facundobatista,  instead of naming stuff with a . to hide it you add it to a file called .hidden..  but its not working for that folder
[18:16] <facundobatista> duffydack, never heard about that
[18:20] <duffydack> it wont work with the U1 folder.  odd.
[19:27] <Chipaca> vds: you can talk to me? :)
[19:36] <emateja> If I place a hidden folder '.someFolder' within the 'Ubuntu One' folder, will it be treated as a normal folder or will it be ignored by the sync daemon?
[19:36] <beuno> emateja, normal folder
[19:36] <emateja> thx
[19:43] <nuboon2age_> Chipaca: yes, to answer your earlier note to mandel re Ubuntu One w/ Portable Ubuntu 'Tres' on Vista.  Basically i got basic file syncing working, but didn't fully explore UDFs ('Tres' is based on Karmic and i didn't experiment w/ the backport of ubuntuone as you'd described). look at post #2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522852
[19:44] <Chipaca> nuboon2age_: ok. FWIW, the windows port of the file syncing part of Ubuntu One will be windows native, i.e. you wouldn't need to install dbus on windows :)
[19:44] <nuboon2age_> Chipaca: I also hadn't played with Tomboy, music, contacts, etc. functions.  Just basic file syncing so far...
[19:45] <nuboon2age_> Chipaca: on Portable Ubuntu 'Tres' that is.
[19:46] <Chipaca> ok
[20:33] <ubun7u> hello
[20:34] <ubun7u> is there a possibility ubuntuone gives extended disk space for students for free?
[20:51] <vds> Chipaca: still there?
[20:52] <Chipaca> vds: there is at least one of me here
[20:52] <beuno> ubun7u, there's no such plan at the moment, no
[20:52] <vds> Chipaca: how can I help?
[20:53] <ubun7u> k
[20:53] <Chipaca> vds: with what?
 vds: you can talk to me? :)
 11:23:21> mandel: we can talk with Chipaca
[20:54] <vds> Chipaca: ah, it's recursive...
[20:55] <vds> Chipaca: we are not using tarmac or PQM for the ubuntu one win client
[20:55] <vds> mandel was wondering if one review/test is enough or we should stick with two reviews
[20:56] <vds> Chipaca: what do you think?
[20:56] <Chipaca> vds: I told mandel, I want somebody outside of you two to look at the code
[20:57] <Chipaca> vds: so, two reviews it stays, please
[20:57] <Chipaca> I'm assuming that one of you will actually compile/test, and the other review should be just reading
[20:57] <Chipaca> ok?
[20:57] <vds> Chipaca: perfectly ok!
[20:57] <Chipaca> vds: does that make sense to you?
[20:58] <vds> Chipaca: yes, especially considering my expertise with C#
[20:59] <Chipaca> vds: it'll still be your (plural) job to track people down to do that readonly review, mind
[20:59] <Chipaca> vds: i.e. you're responsible for pushing the card across the kanban
[20:59] <Chipaca> vds: I'll mention it tomorrow in the standup. If I don't, remind me (gently)
[21:00] <vds> I will
[21:41] <geekilized> hello anyone here today?
[21:56] <geekilized> anyone?
[21:57] <beuno> geekilized, sure
[21:57] <beuno> although everyone seems head down and coding
[21:57] <beuno> what's up?
[21:57] <geekilized> i have been here for past 3 days with no reply
[21:57] <beuno> so over the weekend?
[21:58] <geekilized> yea
[21:58] <beuno> right, none of the developers work over the weekend
[21:58] <beuno> what's the problem?
[21:58] <geekilized> There was a (temporary) problem getting your list of purchased songs. Please wait a short time and then try again, or return to the music store.
[21:58] <geekilized> i have been getting that message when i try to access my downloads tab
[21:59] <beuno> mattgriffin, around?
[22:01] <mattgriffin> hola
[22:02] <mattgriffin> geekilized: by temporary, do you mean that you are no longer seeing the issue?
[22:02] <geekilized> i've been seeing this for about 4 days
[22:02] <geekilized> i still see it
[22:03] <beuno> mattgriffin, I think he pasted the message he is getting
[22:03] <mattgriffin> beuno, geekilized: ah
[22:03] <geekilized> yeah sorry, i pasted the message
[22:03] <mattgriffin> geekilized: np. it says that message for each track on My Downloads?
[22:04] <geekilized> i get that message when i click the "my downloads" tab in music store
[22:04] <mattgriffin> geekilized: can you see the purchased music at https://one.ubuntu.com ?
[22:04] <geekilized> yes
[22:05] <mattgriffin> geekilized: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[22:05] <geekilized> maverick
[22:06] <mattgriffin> geekilized: do you know if your file synchronization is functioning correctly in general?
[22:06] <mattgriffin> geekilized: this sounds like the problem... just getting the purchased files from your cloud storage down to your computer
[22:06] <geekilized> dont know, i dont synchronize any other files
[22:07] <mattgriffin> geekilized: ok. can you make a text file in your "Ubuntu One" directory in your home directory and then check https://one.ubuntu.com and see if it synchronizes?
[22:07] <beuno> or better yet, just open the control panel
[22:07] <beuno> you may not have that computer added at all
[22:07] <beuno> that error is about delivering the music to your desktop
[22:08] <geekilized> i have added my computer
[22:08] <beuno> so if syncing on the desktop isn't working, then it can't sync them into rhythmbox
[22:08] <beuno> what does the control panel say?
[22:09] <geekilized> file sync is working i just created an empty file and i can see it in one.ubuntu.com
[22:09] <mattgriffin> geekilized: ok... can you open nautilus
[22:09] <geekilized> ok
[22:09] <mattgriffin> geekilized: then browse to ~/.ubuntuone/
[22:09] <mattgriffin> geekilized:  you should see a folder for purchased music
[22:10] <geekilized> yes i see it
[22:10] <mattgriffin> geekilized: peek inside and see if the purchased music files are there please
[22:11] <geekilized> hmm they are
[22:11] <mattgriffin> geekilized: hmm.. are you using banshee?
[22:11] <geekilized> no. i am using rythmbox
[22:11] <mattgriffin> hmm
[22:12] <mattgriffin> geekilized: i think someone reported this issue last week... let me check launchpad... brb
[22:12] <geekilized> ok thanks
[22:12] <mattgriffin> np... at least we know the songs are on your computer :)
[22:13] <geekilized> :)
[22:13] <mattgriffin> geekilized: this looks like the problem but please take a look at the description and confirm. bug #604767
[22:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 604767 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store "Purchased songs are not added to Banshee and Rhythmbox library (affects: 1) (heat: 19)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604767
[22:14] <mattgriffin> geekilized: i'll add the text of what you saw in Rhythmbox to the bug description
[22:15] <geekilized> actually i see the files on my library
[22:15] <mattgriffin> oh... but the store's My Downloads page has that message for each purchased track?
[22:16] <geekilized> yes. when i try to visit My Dowloads, i  get the message
[22:17] <mattgriffin> geekilized: ok. i'll open another bug... quitting and re-starting Rhythmbox doesn't resolve the problem?
[22:18] <geekilized> nope
[22:19] <geekilized> mattgriffin:can i pm you?
[22:19] <mattgriffin> geekilized: sure :)
[23:45] <mkarnicki> verterok: thanks for your emails! as for node.getParent() - this issue occures if, in a mobile phone scenario, we don't want to make a server rescan (CPU cost/battery drain). that's why I stumbled upon that problem, and I understand that one of the ways I could workaround it is, indeed, perform at least one server scan.
[23:47] <mkarnicki> verterok: as for deferreds, for the last 4 days, especially after your code review of my source, I learned quite a bit about deferreds. I understand them know, and I know we don't need 'a handle' for them to stay alive, we just schedule them on a final Deferred object
[23:48] <mkarnicki> verterok: problem is that, on Android, you can modify the UI (hide a dialog, set a label text, etc) only from the UIThread
[23:49] <mkarnicki> verterok: therefore, there are at least three ways to schedule UI changes not form UIThread. Handler, AsyncTask, and RPC
[23:50] <mkarnicki> verterok: AsyncTask runs in separate thread, but has access to UIThread. therefore, for example, I could say new AsyncTask<...>(pass tokens here) { authenticate here }.run();
[23:51] <mkarnicki> verterok: not only it can modify the UI, but I also get notified when it's done in it's onPostExecute method (to schedule getVolume or anything)
[23:51] <mkarnicki> verterok: *BUT* I wrote that only to explain my e-mail about Deferreds. They seem to work well now, thanks to you, and I understand them better =)


[13:46] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[16:10] <pavlushka> Hello zaki
[16:10]  * pavlushka will run for groceries in a minute
[16:10] <pavlushka> zaki: been a while
[16:11]  * pavlushka will be back in 20
[16:16] <zaki> pavlushka, I was at Sitakund this wk
[16:27] <pavlushka> zaki: wow


[14:21] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[14:21] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[14:21] <Kilos> have you any idea
[14:21] <Kilos> i have had that before in 14.04 i think but cant remember how i fixed it
[14:21] <pavlushka> Kilos: on what?
[14:22] <Kilos> look in za
[14:22]  * pavlushka looking into
[14:22] <Kilos> https://pasteboard.co/GVrsnYY.png


[06:25] <mup> PR operator#813 closed: Final patch for 1.5.1 release <Created by rwcarlsen> <Merged by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/813>
[21:51] <mup> PR operator#815 opened: require tests to pass on a commit before we publish it to pypi <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/815>


[05:22] <Kilos> good morning guys
[05:22] <Kilos> start of another week
[05:24] <mazal> More oom Kilos
[05:24] <Kilos> dag mazal
[05:24] <nuvolari> o/ môre oom Kilos  :>
[05:25] <Kilos> lo nuvolari mooi om jou hier te sien
[05:26] <Kilos> heres a question for you clever kids.
[05:26] <Kilos> can one take a chance and plug a sata drives power cable in while your system is running
[05:28] <Kilos> didnt used to be safe with ide drives on older pcs
[05:29] <Kilos> having an external would be the right way but not an option here
[05:29] <mazal> Never have done it , but wouldn't advice it
[05:29] <Kilos> if i boot with it plugged in as second drive i cant boot
[05:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:30] <mazal> I would rather take a chance on the data cable. But also , never have done it. Dunno if it might cause damage
[05:31] <Kilos> ah thats an idea
[05:32] <Kilos> bios can see it so its in its software that its causing probs for my drive
[05:33] <Kilos> its amazing how winsucks peeps go out of their way to fillup regularly with virii and malware and whatever else they can find
[05:47] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[05:51] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[05:52] <nuvolari> Kilos: net vir 'n rukkie oom
[05:52] <Kilos> dis beter as niks nuvolari
[06:02] <Squirm> morning
[06:03] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:04] <mazal> Morning Squirm nuvolari psydroid
[06:04] <nuvolari> howdy Squirm, mazal
[06:04] <psydroid> morning mazal
[06:04] <psydroid> hi nuvolari
[06:05] <Squirm> meh
[06:05] <Squirm> tired as usual
[06:06] <Squirm> maybe this time some more
[06:06] <Squirm> :P
[06:06] <Squirm> how goes nuvolari ? been a while
[06:06] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[06:22] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w
[06:22] <SmilyBorg_w> hi
[06:23] <Kilos> oh psydroid that drive had been kinda screwed and its pc too
[06:24] <Kilos> tried it in here and tried to install 12.04 unity then kde then win 98 and xp
[06:24] <Kilos> all installed hlfway then hung
[06:24] <Kilos> so i zeroed it from this drive and booted from 12.04 and it installed and runs here
[06:25] <Kilos> bnut still big bugs in his pcs mb
[06:26] <Kilos> sorry for wasting you guys time
[06:30] <psydroid> oh, it's ok
[06:30] <psydroid> did you manage to save the data?
[06:31] <Kilos> nope all gone
[06:32] <Kilos> big story behind the whole thing
[06:33] <Kilos> he used it to clean virii off windows drives then it couldnt boot so he somehow used winsucks to run antivirus on his ubuntu and it emptied everything except all the folders
[06:34] <Kilos> or for some reason they just showed empty from here
[06:34] <Kilos> when he saw the were all empty he said ok! do what you gotta do but save the drive please
[06:35] <Kilos> was very lekker to have him here albeit for such a short time.havent seen him since before last christmas methinks
[06:37] <psydroid> oh
[06:38] <Kilos> and he has found a chick that mothers him and sees he takes his meds on time so thats good too
[06:39] <psydroid> yeah
[06:41] <Kilos> Maaz, seen superfly
[06:41] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 17 hours, 25 minutes and 54 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-11-11 05:15:59 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-11-06 22:15:23 PST
[06:42] <Kilos> oh my where be the fly
[06:55] <jrgns> morning all
[06:56] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[08:34] <Kilos> hi SilverCode Vince-0
[08:34] <SilverCode> hi Kilos
[08:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro ty for the help
[08:35] <Vince-0> Haai
[08:40] <SilverCode> anyone here use KMail/Kontact?
[08:42] <Kilos> i think the fly said other day kmail sucks nowadays
[08:42] <SilverCode> I think I would agree with him
[08:42] <Kilos> he uses thunderbird and i use evolution
[08:43] <Kilos> i gave up trying to get kmail working
[08:43] <SilverCode> I started using KMail because it originally handled meeting requests better than Thunderbird
[08:44] <SilverCode> but now it seems to get confused about meeting times
[08:44] <Kilos> and not too keen on thunderbird and find evolution is close to what it was before the unity time
[08:44] <Kilos> hehe
[08:44] <Kilos> kinda frustrating hey
[08:47] <SilverCode> yeah
[08:48] <SilverCode> originally it was just setting meeting times back by an hour
[08:48] <SilverCode> and I mentally adjusted to that
[08:48] <SilverCode> now with the latest update, it is sending emails with a timestamp 1 hour in the past
[08:48] <SilverCode> which people are complaining about
[08:48] <SilverCode> *sigh* Maybe it is time to switch to a new client
[08:48] <Kilos> eish
[08:48] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[08:48] <Maaz> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[08:49] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[08:49]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:49] <Kilos> SilverCode, you havent attended one of our monthly meetings yet have you?
[08:50] <Kilos> next monday evening at 19.30
[08:50] <Kilos> please try come
[08:50] <SilverCode> Kilos: JHB or CPT?
[08:50] <Squirm> SilverCode: right here
[08:50] <Kilos> no man here online
[08:50] <SilverCode> ah
[08:50] <Kilos> right here in ubuntu-za
[08:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[08:53] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:53] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:53] <SilverCode> Kilos: will try remember
[08:53] <SilverCode> Kilos: I would set a reminder in Kontact, but I'll only get it 1 hour late :(
[08:54] <Kilos> lol if you come online during the day ill remind you
[08:54] <Kilos> hehe
[08:54] <Kilos> eish
[08:54] <Kilos> no man dump kmail
[09:06] <Squirm> SilverCode: why 1 hour late?
[09:09] <SilverCode> Squirm: because KMail/Kontact is full of bugs, one of which is always setting meetings an hour late
[09:22] <Squirm> lol
[09:22] <zeref> hmmmmmm
[09:23] <zeref> been offered 1st full time job :D
[09:23] <Kilos> nice well done
[09:24] <Kilos> take it. work is hard to come by
[09:25] <zeref> thanks.
[09:25] <zeref> will let them know tomoz
[09:26] <Kilos> thumbs up
[10:07] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos I am out of the office today, but I'm fine
[10:07] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:38] <Squirm> tell Trixar_za I forgot what to tell Maaz to tell you, I think it was semi important, so please remind me :/
[10:38] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Trixar_za I forgot what to tell Maaz to tell you, I think it was semi important, so please remind me :/
[10:38] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay, I'll tell Trixar_za on freenode
[10:40] <inetpro> lol
[10:40] <inetpro> good afternoon everyone
[10:54] <Squirm> Trixar_za: ?
[10:54] <Squirm> say something
[10:54] <Squirm> anything
[10:54] <Squirm> now
[10:54] <Squirm> please?
[10:56] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[10:56] <Maaz> Trixar_za: By the way, Squirm on freenode told me "tell Trixar_za I forgot what to tell Maaz to tell you, I think it was semi important, so please remind me :/" 18 minutes and 16 seconds ago
[10:57] <Trixar_za> The swimming thing?
[10:57] <Trixar_za> :P
[11:01] <Squirm> oh
[11:01] <Squirm> not that important
[11:01] <Squirm> nevermind :P
[11:01] <Squirm> I just forgot what it was
[11:08] <Trixar_za> lol
[11:08] <Trixar_za> Like mailing certain things
[11:08] <Trixar_za> :P
[13:30] <Kilos> hi guys what is the command to add restricted extras on 12.10 please
[13:30] <Kilos> tara has woken up at last
[13:39] <superfly> Kilos: install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:40] <Squirm> Kilos: what superfly said
[13:40] <Kilos> ty superfly
[13:40] <Kilos> at last she is gatvol of winsucks blue screen of death they call it
[13:41] <Kilos> so 1 TB drive all partitioned my way
[13:41] <Kilos> busy installing
[14:03] <Vince-0> whoot
[14:03] <Vince-0> winblows
[14:03] <Vince-0> so, Kilos! you like the main guy in here hey
[14:06] <Kilos> lol
[14:07] <Kilos> sometimes the only
[14:09] <Vince-0> ya IRC hey
[14:09] <Vince-0> still the kewlest IM
[14:09] <Vince-0> do you use Google+/talk at all ??
[14:10] <Kilos> nope eat dat
[14:13] <Kilos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is taking forever by tara and shows a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[14:14] <Kilos> that is growing slowly
[14:14] <Kilos> sudo apt-get upgrade went quick
[14:14] <Kilos> can she kill it safely?
[14:16] <Vince-0> is it still downloading or has it got to updating part yet
[14:17] <Kilos> i dunno she is sending a screenshot
[14:17] <Kilos> maybe taken with camera i dunno
[14:18] <Kilos> it did upgrade in a  1/4 of the time taken for this dist-upgrade so far
[14:19] <Vince-0> ew
[14:19] <Vince-0> dist-upgrade is to the next version
[14:20] <Vince-0> I like your monthly IRC meet agenda
[14:20] <Vince-0> well, the fact that its planned - is it usually well attended?
[14:20] <Kilos> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/KernelThing.jpg
[14:20] <Kilos> is it gonna finish it at least
[14:22] <Kilos> is that still downloading or waiting for a product name or something
[14:22] <Vince-0> it looks to be updating
[14:22] <Vince-0> inbetween all the key-press characters on the screen
[14:22] <Vince-0> I think downloading is done
[14:23] <Kilos> can we hit enter then and see
[14:23] <Kilos> it can just keep making those long lines
[14:24] <Kilos> its over 30 mins now methinks
[14:26] <Kilos> i told her hit enter and
[14:26] <Kilos> 3) Debs: Said "MemoryError"
[14:27] <Kilos> (16:24:52) Debs: And took me to the prompt bar again where I type in a command
[14:27] <Kilos> (16:25:09) Debs: At the top it says "Exception information"
[14:28] <Vince-0> woah, dunno about that
[14:28] <Vince-0> looks like there was a key stuck or something with all those characters
[14:34] <Kilos> looks like it was finished
[15:16] <Vince-0> home time!
[15:36] <Kilos> can someone please give me the full commands to use for cat and tail and the /var/log/syslog thing
[15:37] <Kilos> so i can get tara to pastebin it for us because her 12.10 freezes now and again same as the winsucks was doing
[15:37] <Kilos> actuall winsucks went blue screen
[15:38] <Kilos> will get more info from her when she replaces battery and we have setup bios. she didnt even know what or where the bios battery was
[15:38] <Kilos> not easy fixing pcs 8000 ks away
[15:40] <Kilos> i dunno if its in ram or mb or bios her prob but she been battling for weaks and now has come to ubuntu
[15:42] <Kilos> i also dunno if /var/log/syslog will show the prob but will try help her
[16:39]  * superfly pokes Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> yip superfly
[16:40] <superfly> My day is finally over (almost)
[16:41] <superfly> On the train on the way home.
[16:41] <Kilos> yay
[16:41] <Kilos> missed you
[16:41] <Kilos> tara is using 12.10 superfly
[16:42] <superfly> i saw so
[16:43] <Kilos> so there is progress
[17:14] <nuvolari> :-/ freakin sad about the fire disaster in St. Francis baai
[17:15] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos
[17:23] <mazal> Evening all
[17:25] <Kilos> lo nuvolari mazal
[17:25] <Kilos> inetpro,
[17:25] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[17:25] <Kilos> het jy gehooer nuvolari tara op 12.10
[17:25] <inetpro> you spying on me?
[17:25] <Kilos> gehoor
[17:25] <Kilos> why
[17:25]  * inetpro just stepped into the room
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <inetpro> good evenng
[17:27] <inetpro> Kilos: is it not perhaps a dusty cpu?
[17:27] <Kilos> had a long day doing a advanced 12.10 install onna 1TB drive with separate  / /boot /home /storage and /spare
[17:27] <Kilos> she has had it in to the pc shop 4 times
[17:28] <Kilos> now there isnt a trace of windows left there
[17:28] <nuvolari> Kilos: hi nee ek't nie gehoor nie oom
[17:28] <Kilos> lol
[17:28] <nuvolari> so sy is sonder venstertjies?
[17:28] <mazal> What's wrong with the pc Kilos ?
[17:29] <nuvolari> howdy Cantide
[17:29] <Cantide> hey nuvolari, mazal, Kilos '-'
[17:29] <Cantide> and others >_>
[17:29] <mazal> Hi Cantide
[17:29] <Kilos> it hung when streaming from youtube
[17:29] <Kilos> but her windows went blue screen daily
[17:29] <inetpro> Kilos: it's probably overheating, but that's just a guess
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: if her machine uses ACPI she can check the temperature values with
[17:32] <inetpro> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
[17:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:35] <Kilos> wow power cut or whatever killed pc even though ups is working
[17:35] <Kilos> what i missed\
[17:38] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:42] <Kilos> she also calls it winsucks now and used to fight me for running her os down
[17:42] <Kilos> hehe
[17:48] <superfly> ooooo thunder and lightning
[17:49] <mazal> Plak toe die ruite !!!!!!!
[17:49] <mazal> :)
[17:50] <Kilos> are there cpu thermal monitors available in 12.10?
[17:50] <Kilos> i googled but dont see inna repo stuff
[17:50] <Kilos> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/07/monitor-hardware-temperature-in-ubuntu.html
[17:51] <Kilos> dont want tara to get stuff that not healthy for her pc
[17:51] <Kilos> oh ya mazal tara is my unmet daughter
[17:52] <mazal> Temp monitors is something I always found lacking in linux
[17:52] <mazal> Usually takes a lot of work to get it working
[17:53] <Kilos> oh my
[17:53] <Kilos> she be a girl just left windows today
[17:53] <Kilos> but learning to use the terminal quick
[17:54] <mazal> I got a lot of flack from friends when I try and get them away from windoze hehehe
[17:55] <Kilos> lol she gave me gears to start with but now she agrees
[17:55] <Kilos> she  said to me lets kill winsucks
[17:56] <Kilos> i got her using apt-get and aptitude and synaptic
[17:56] <mazal> Why should one use aptitude ?
[17:56] <Kilos> i just dunno if there are apps that will improve the streaming thing
[17:56] <Kilos> like from youtube
[17:57] <Kilos> because aptitude is better than apt-get
[17:57] <Kilos> hi Gez_
[17:57] <mazal> I've never used it
[17:57] <mazal> shoud look at it
[17:57] <Kilos> well ask the guys
[17:57] <Kilos> its more user friendly
[17:57] <Kilos> and other advantages
[17:58] <Kilos> but no cow stuff
[17:58] <Kilos> super cow powers
[17:58] <Gez_> hi Kilos
[17:58] <mazal> Looks complicated
[17:58] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za Gez_
[17:58] <Gez_> I'm from Argentina, I'm just taking a look :)
[17:59] <Gez_> I have a friend here who's southafrican
[17:59] <Gez_> and I introduced him to Ubuntu
[17:59] <Kilos> no man mazal you just use aptitude in place of apt-get
[17:59] <Kilos> works good
[17:59] <Gez_> he's going back to South Africa and he wanted to know if there was a local community there
[17:59] <Kilos> ubuntu community
[17:59] <Kilos> ?
[17:59] <Kilos> many
[18:00] <Kilos> each province
[18:00] <Gez_> Is there a listing of the cities with stablished communities?
[18:00] <mazal> I can't even get the menus activated lol
[18:00] <Kilos> what menus mazal
[18:00] <Gez_> (I can't remember the name of the city he'll be living in)
[18:00] <mazal> At the top of aptitude
[18:00] <Kilos> if he can get to this channel Gez_ he will meet the guys
[18:01] <Gez_> Cool. Thank you Kilos.
[18:01] <Kilos> aptitude is command line in place of apt-get
[18:01] <Kilos> yw Gez_
[18:01] <Kilos> where are you
[18:02] <mazal> Oh , I just ran sudo aptitude
[18:02] <Kilos> oh mazal sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:02] <Kilos> is it installed
[18:02] <Cantide> Gez_, I have an Argentinian friend here in South Africa, haha :)
[18:02] <Cantide> but he doesn't use Ubuntu :'(
[18:02] <Kilos> you have to install it dont come as default anymore
[18:02]  * Cantide sends him back to Argentina
[18:03] <Gez_> Those stupid argies :p
[18:03] <Cantide> :p
[18:03] <Kilos> so what community is he looking for Gez_
[18:03] <Gez_> I bet he has a pirate copy of Windows whatever
[18:03] <Cantide> good game of rugby against Wales btw '-'
[18:03] <Cantide> probably :-S
[18:03] <Gez_> Kilos: I can't remember the name of the city, but I'm already asking them to join this channel and meet some people
[18:04] <Kilos> good
[18:04] <Gez_> I wont' do everything for him :)
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <mazal> Yes it's installed Kilos
[18:04] <Kilos> oh then just use it in place of apt-get
[18:04] <mazal> If I just run sudo aptitude it opens , but very complicated looking
[18:04] <Gez_> Ok, gtg. Thank you guys for the kind welcome and your help. I'll send you your southafrican guy back :)
[18:05] <Kilos> you can do sudo aptitude reinstall package
[18:05] <Gez_> See you!
[18:05] <Kilos> cheers Gez_
[18:05] <Cantide> haha
[18:05] <Cantide> bye~
[18:05] <mazal> Hmm , what can I install to test it......
[18:05] <Kilos> where apt_get uses install package --reinstall
[18:05] <mazal> So all the commads are the same as apt-get ?
[18:06] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall xchat
[18:06] <Kilos> ya
[18:06] <Kilos> only better
[18:06] <Kilos> apt-get needs a bit more to reinstall
[18:07] <Kilos> naand tannie magtie
[18:07] <mazal> Ok , will try and use it
[18:07] <magtie> Hallo Kilos & Everyone
[18:07] <mazal> Hello magtie
[18:08] <magtie> hi mazal
[18:09] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[18:09] <mazal> Evening smile4ever
[18:10] <smile4ever> hi :D
[18:10]  * smile4ever worked hard :(
[18:11] <mazal> This was a rough Monday at my side as well
[18:12] <smile4ever> too much homework :(
[18:12] <smile4ever> (only one task, but hours work :p )
[18:12] <mazal> oi
[18:13] <Kilos> yay inetpro she tried everything nthat made winsucks freeze but now all together and didnt freeze
[18:14] <Kilos> so it had allowed something into bios
[18:14] <Kilos> battery out cured it
[18:14] <Kilos> ai die engelse is slim
[18:14] <mazal> lol
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:15]  * mazal gonna crash
[18:15] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[18:15] <Kilos> night mazal sleep tight
[18:15] <mazal> Enjoy the rest of your evening
[18:15] <mazal> God bless
[18:16] <Kilos> ty sir you too
[18:16] <Kilos> He always blesses me
[18:16] <smile4ever> anyone tried out firefox os yet? :p
[18:16] <Kilos> nope
[18:16] <Kilos> i dont even use firefox browser
[18:18] <Kilos> hi timkeller
[18:18] <timkeller> Hi Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:18] <timkeller> Thank you kindly
[18:18] <Kilos> never saeen you here before
[18:18] <Kilos> seen either
[18:18] <magespawn> evening all
[18:19] <timkeller> Heh, not sure I've ever joined #ubuntu-za
[18:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:19] <timkeller> But #ubuntu is just way to high volume
[18:19] <timkeller> too, even
[18:19] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[18:19] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu timkeller
[18:19] <smile4ever> Kilos: that's a shame :p
[18:20] <smile4ever> i'll try it out in a minute :)
[18:20] <timkeller> Kilos: oh yes. Switched to ubuntu with 5.04.
[18:20] <Kilos> if its not linux its no good smile4ever
[18:20] <smile4ever> it IS linux, Kilos :p
[18:20] <Kilos> wow timkeller that way back
[18:20] <timkeller> Kilos: Hipster hey?
[18:21] <Kilos> firefox?is that why all the updates
[18:21] <magespawn> smile4ever: i want to try chrome os
[18:21] <Kilos> timkeller, why you took so long to get here
[18:22] <Kilos> mgetara is on 12.10
[18:22] <Kilos> grrr
[18:22] <Kilos> magespawn, too
[18:22] <Kilos> im happy now both my brats use ubuntu
[18:23] <magespawn> on some machines, but the main ones are 12.04
[18:23] <timkeller> My bad Kilos :)
[18:23] <Kilos> lol ya
[18:23] <smile4ever> magespawn: have you seen it on omgubuntu? :)
[18:23] <smile4ever> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-run-chromeos-in-ubuntu
[18:24] <Kilos> nuvolari, where you went
[18:24] <Kilos> we get new peeps and the ballie gotta welcome them
[18:24] <Kilos> after a day of killing winsucks
[18:25] <smile4ever> magespawn: crash Firefox OS, but it's playing sound / video :D
[18:26] <smile4ever> a lot of warnings in console :p
[18:27] <magespawn> probable just hardware errors
[18:28] <smile4ever> not only that :p
[18:28] <smile4ever> lol, sound fails :p
[18:28] <cvn> good evening
[18:28] <cvn> hi smile4ever
[18:28] <smile4ever> (firefox is too slow, probably)
[18:28] <smile4ever> :p
[18:28] <cvn> Maaz: coffee on
[18:28]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:28] <cvn> Maaz: and rusks
[18:28] <Maaz> cvn: *blink*
[18:28] <smile4ever> magespawn: it's eating RAM :o
[18:28] <cvn> Maaz: or stroopwafel, one or the other
[18:28] <Maaz> cvn: Huh?
[18:29] <smile4ever> 1,4 gigabyte for a bit of video :p
[18:29] <smile4ever> wow
[18:29] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:29] <magespawn> just like firefox browser
[18:30] <smile4ever> yeah :(
[18:30] <cvn> sorry i missed half the conversation, what's up?
[18:30] <smile4ever> but firefox os looks good :D
[18:30] <smile4ever> cvn: i'm trying out firefox os ;)
[18:30] <Kilos> hi cvn
[18:30] <Kilos> that you charl?
[18:31] <cvn> yes Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <cvn> smile4ever: ah, haven't seen it yet, lemme google
[18:31] <smile4ever> cvn: google for r2d2b2g
[18:31] <cvn> oh it's a mobile operating system, i see now
[18:31] <smile4ever> :p
[18:32] <cvn> ah interesting
[18:32] <cvn> it's a firefox extension for firefox os?
[18:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for cvn!
[18:32] <smile4ever> yes, cvn. to try it out :p
[18:32] <cvn> Maaz: thanks
[18:32] <Maaz> cvn: Sure
[18:32] <smile4ever> but I don't recommend using it too long
[18:32] <smile4ever> it will eat ram :)
[18:33] <cvn> the same counts for firefox :)
[18:33] <smile4ever> (just a minute ago, it was using "1666,67 TB"
[18:33] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:33] <cvn> phew
[18:33] <cvn> ok that's crazy
[18:33] <smile4ever> yeah
[18:33] <cvn> although, nothing unusual for firefox ;)
[18:33] <smile4ever> some counter is wrong
[18:33] <smile4ever> :p
[18:33] <cvn> yeah no that can't be
[18:33] <smile4ever> but yeah, for sure, my ram was full :p
[18:33] <cvn> at first i read megabyte but that's terabyte
[18:34] <smile4ever> yeah :) a bit higher ;)
[18:36] <magespawn> anybody actually use a machine with evem 1TB of ram?
[18:37] <cvn> have never heard of it
[18:37] <cvn> maybe some supercomputers
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <Kilos> we got no power again tomorrow
[18:42] <Kilos> the planting poles and turning the three wires vertical
[18:42] <Kilos> say its harder for crooks to short out to steal them
[18:42] <smile4ever> magespawn: only super pc's :p
[18:44] <magespawn> that would be nice to work on
[18:47] <Kilos> i go crash now guys
[18:47] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:48] <smile4ever> magespawn: indeed it would :D
[18:48] <smile4ever> I'm thinking about buying a new pc :p
[18:48] <smile4ever> next year or so :p
[18:48] <smile4ever> I hope RAM prices keep this low :p
[19:09] <timkeller> Anyone having issues doing an apt update to za.archive.ubuntu.com?
[19:09] <timkeller> Getting a "Waiting for Headers" hang.
[19:13] <magespawn> did not do an update today but on saturday it missed a whole load
[19:15] <magespawn> just installed puppy to a flash drive using unetbootin
[19:16] <magespawn> runs the compaq nx 6110 with no problems so far, network and sound going good
[19:20] <magespawn> comes with xchat
[19:25] <smile4ever> bye :p
[19:26] <magespawn> bye smile4ever
[19:26] <smile4ever> :D
[19:26] <smile4ever> good night
[19:37] <magespawn> good night all
[20:32] <cvn> nn all