[21:11] <nenolod> ponies and unicorns, infact.
[21:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we'll just keep on drinking then :)
[21:12] <\sh> bah....
[21:12] <\sh> amazon sucks
[21:12] <oly-> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3789c22e
[21:13] <oly-> does that look more correct ?
[21:13] <nenolod> Depends: is wrong
[21:13] <\sh> kissology 1978 - 1991 -> 69,89 euro
[21:14] <oly-> i need ${python:Depends}, do i nenolod ?
[21:14] <nenolod> oly-: Depends: ${source:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, python-pyopenssl (>= 0.6)
[21:14] <zul> for a kiss album? sounds about right since gene simmons is a money grubbing whore
[21:14] <ScottK> oly-: Is it an application or a Python module?
[21:14] <oly-> application
[21:14] <ScottK> OK.
[21:14] <nenolod> oly-, Xs-Vcs-Svn: should only be set if it's maintained in a subversion repo
[21:15] <ScottK> oly-: Also you don't need the replaces.
[21:15] <nenolod> oly-, otherwise, use XS-Vcs-Bzr: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~usmteam/usm/usm
[21:15] <ScottK> Unless it actually replaces something.
[21:15] <nenolod> yes. please remove the Replaces:
[21:16] <PhreeStyle-home> norsetto: hey, you still around?
[21:17] <oly-> okay so http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3fedf8f2
[21:17] <nenolod> Description is wrong
[21:17] <nenolod> Description's first line should be a synopsis
[21:17] <nenolod> Description: Ubuntu Server Manager core
[21:17] <nenolod>  blurb
[21:17] <nenolod> is how it should be.
[21:18] <oly-> okay, sorted that anything else look out of place
[21:18] <nenolod> btw, there's probably problems with calling it Ubuntu Server Manager (people may think it's an official product of Canonical and/or Ubuntu foundation)
[21:18] <norsetto> PhreeStyle-home: heya, I'm indeed
[21:18] <nenolod> so you might want to clarify somehow that it's not involved with the above
[21:19] <oly-> oh right, clarify it in the description you mean ?
[21:19] <nenolod> yes, and probably on website too.
[21:19] <oly-> okay, good point
[21:20] <\sh> good night folks...cu later
[21:20] <nenolod> bye \sh
[21:29] <somerville32> LaserJock, Can you take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfile-basedir-perl/+bug/172244 ?
[21:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172244 in libfile-basedir-perl "New upstream version (0.03)" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:29] <somerville32> What new build system?
[21:29] <somerville32> It builds mine on my box. I think he is using Debian maybe?
[21:31] <LaserJock> somerville32: why am I looking at this? :-)
[21:31] <somerville32> LaserJock, Because I want a sponsor? :P
[21:32] <StevenHarperUK> Any MOTU fancy picking up https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/easycrypt/+bug/165281 ?
[21:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165281 in easycrypt "Candidate revision easycrypt_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:33] <ScottK> StevenHarperUK: Did you get links to getting into Debian yesterday?
[21:33] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone :)
[21:33] <somerville32> Hi joejaxx
[21:33] <ScottK> Hello joejaxx
[21:33] <joejaxx> somerville32: :O
[21:33] <StevenHarperUK> Scottk: no,I havnt done that yet, but the main problem is that Truecrypt is'nt built for Debain , there is only a Ubuntu DEB
[21:34] <joejaxx> hello somerville32 ScottK :)
[21:34] <ScottK> StevenHarperUK: Right, but how hard would it be to build it for Debian instead?
[21:34] <StevenHarperUK> Scottk: TrueCrypt or Easy Crypt?
[21:34] <ScottK> StevenHarperUK: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/PythonModulesTeam and http://python-apps.alioth.debian.org/policy.html
[21:35] <ScottK> I guess I was thinking easycrypt
[21:36] <StevenHarperUK> ScottK: mines a python application not a Module : That second link is for Modules
[21:36] <ScottK> StevenHarperUK: It talks about the applications team too (just didn't rename the page)
[21:36] <StevenHarperUK> Scottk: don't get me wrong I want to get it onto Debian too
[21:37] <ScottK> Both the apps and modules team use the same IRC channel and are mostly the same people.
[21:37] <somerville32> LaserJock, :)
[21:38] <ScottK> Since you've got a package that was OK in Ubuntu, it should be pretty easy to get it accepted in Debian.
[21:38] <StevenHarperUK> Scottk: Im a bit drunk now, ill bookmark and check back another night
[21:38] <ScottK> StevenHarperUK: Sounds like a good plan.
[21:38] <LaserJock> somerville32: I'm swamped, sorry :(
[21:38] <somerville32> joejaxx, Are you MOTU?
[21:41] <somerville32> Where is Persia when you need her?
[21:41] <ScottK> somerville32: Him
[21:41] <joejaxx> somerville32: nope i am not
[21:41] <joejaxx> somerville32: lol why does everyone ask me that :P
[21:42]  * somerville32 wants a sponsor.
[21:42] <somerville32> :)
[21:42] <joejaxx> lol :)
[21:42] <joejaxx> become a motu! beat me to it ;)
[21:43] <somerville32> Someday :]
[21:43] <ScottK> somerville32: TheMuso was active in the last hour.  Maybe he's still awake.
[21:43] <somerville32> TheMuso, poke
[21:44] <joejaxx> somerville32: lol look at your https://edge.launchpad.net/~cody-somerville/+packages
[21:44] <joejaxx> somerville32: and then look at mine
[21:44] <joejaxx> somerville32: yours has more :P
[21:44] <joejaxx> somerville32: so you are beating me
[21:44] <joejaxx> :)
[21:45] <joejaxx> somerville32: i do not do enough packaging to become a motu :P
[21:46] <somerville32> whats your lp page?
[21:47] <joejaxx> somerville32: ~joejaxx
[21:48] <joejaxx> plus you have history all the way back to dapper
[21:48] <joejaxx> and edgy
[21:50] <somerville32> joejaxx, You have more uploads than me
[21:50] <joejaxx> somerville32: i do not think so
[21:50] <somerville32> You have 17, I have 16
[21:50] <somerville32> Although two of my uploads aren't counted
[21:50] <joejaxx> ???
[21:50] <somerville32> Explain ??? :P
[21:51] <joejaxx> i do not know
[21:51] <joejaxx> maybe someone accepted a random bug/merge i did
[21:51] <joejaxx> last time i looked it was not that many at all
[21:52] <joejaxx> for example
[21:52] <joejaxx> why is flwm on there?
[21:53] <joejaxx> i do not see my name on the changelog
[21:53] <joejaxx> and i do not remember touching that package either
[21:53] <joejaxx> lol
[21:54] <joejaxx> nor wmifs
[21:54] <joejaxx> somerville32: so alot of those do not count lol :P
[21:55] <zul> must go feed the little fart machine
[21:55] <keescook> Fujitsu: oh!  sorry, I didn't understand the question.  yeah, I need to figure out how to migrate the revision history.
[21:56] <LaserJock> zul: if you stop feeding him does he stop farting?
[21:56] <joejaxx> LaserJock: lol
[21:56] <zul> LaserJock: i think so but he probably stops living as well
[21:56] <ScottK> LaserJock: They cry though and after a while it gets pitful and weak.
[21:57] <LaserJock> zul: one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of things?
[21:57] <ScottK> zul: You're just going to have to decide on your priorities.
[21:58] <LaserJock> oh for goodness sakes! this thing must be USB1
[21:58] <ScottK> LaserJock: rsync would've been faster.
[21:58] <LaserJock> I got my USB external drive hooked up to an old Linux box in the next room, nfs mounted to my OS X machine
[21:59] <ScottK> Ah.
[21:59] <LaserJock> and right now it says it's gonna take 7hrs to transfer 9GB
[21:59] <LaserJock> I think it must be the write speed over USB that's bottlenecking
[22:00] <LaserJock> cause the network is 10MB/s
[22:00] <ScottK> somerville32: You ought to think about Debian Python Application Packaging Team too.
[22:05] <somerville32> ScottK, Think about joining them?
[22:05] <ScottK> somerville32: Yes and get pyneighborhood in Debian.
[22:05] <alvinc> LaserJock:  if you have sysstat installed, you can do the "iostat -xtc" thing to see the wait times on your UDB drive
[22:05] <alvinc> ^UDB^USB
[22:05] <pochu> StevenK: could you please review blueyed's merge for bug 156210?
[22:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156210 in virtualbox-ose "Please update Virtualbox to 1.5.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156210
[22:06] <somerville32> ScottK, PyNeighborhood isn't maintained anymore
[22:06] <ScottK> somerville32: Ah.  OK.
[22:06] <somerville32> ScottK, Why do you think I should join the DPAPT?
[22:07] <ScottK> somerville32: I saw you had packaged a Python application for Ubuntu and thought it'd be good to get it into Debian too.
[22:08] <ScottK> In general, I think it's better to try and push things up into Debian where we can and with Python stuff it's easy because of the teams.
[22:08]  * somerville32 nods.
[22:08] <somerville32> I've in the process of pushing Catfish up
[22:09] <ScottK> OK.  That's not Python is it?
[22:09] <somerville32> It is.
[22:09] <LaserJock> alvinc: interesting, what am I looking for?
[22:09] <TheMuso> somerville32: Leave me a message. I'm about to head out.
[22:09] <somerville32> TheMuso, I wanted a sponsor
[22:10] <LaserJock> alvinc: await is 22.82 but I have no idea what that means
[22:10] <ScottK> somerville32: Then DPAPT may be for you.
[22:11] <somerville32> :]
[22:13] <ScottK> somerville32: It'll be far easier to get sponsored there than in debian-mentors.
[22:13]  * somerville32 nods.
[22:14] <somerville32> Can anyone please sponsor bug #172244 ?
[22:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172244 in libfile-basedir-perl "New upstream version (0.03)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172244
[22:17] <blueyed> pochu, StevenK: the merge for virtualbox-ose is "already" outdated. unstable has 2-2 (the merge was for 2).
[22:20] <pochu> Ouch.
[22:23] <PhreeStyle-home> what does fakesync do?
[22:26] <PhreeStyle-home> ScottK: excuse me, do you know what a fakesync is?
[22:26] <LaserJock> PhreeStyle-home: it's a way of syncing a package
[22:26] <LaserJock> PhreeStyle-home: but not via the normal process
[22:26] <LaserJock> normally we request the Ubuntu archive admins to sync a package
[22:27] <LaserJock> but if for some reason that's not able to happen we can manually upload a synced package
[22:27] <PhreeStyle-home> oh, thanks laser
[22:27] <LaserJock> no problem
[22:27] <stgraber> Does any one have a quick way to fix a FTBFS caused by this :
[22:27] <stgraber> /usr/bin/ld: dsa_key.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[22:27] <stgraber> dsa_key.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
[22:27] <PhreeStyle-home> do we need to change the maintainer for that
[22:28] <stgraber> happens on amd64 not i386 (of course ...)
[22:28] <ScottK> PhreeStyle-home: No
[22:28] <PhreeStyle-home> thanks
[22:28] <LaserJock> PhreeStyle-home: I think not, but we shouldn't really be doing fakesyncs either :-)
[22:29] <PhreeStyle-home> i would hope not :)
[22:29] <geser> stgraber: rebuild with -fPIC
[22:29] <somerville32> geser, Will you sponsor bug #172244 ?
[22:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172244 in libfile-basedir-perl "New upstream version (0.03)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172244
[22:31] <somerville32> Is it possible to build something using a local deb?
[22:32] <mok0> Is there a way to choose an LVM filesystem when installing ubuntu?
[22:32] <somerville32> Hey jdong :]
[22:32] <jdong> yo yo yo, how are you doing? :)
[22:32] <geser> somerville32: any reason to not wait on Debian?
[22:33] <somerville32> geser, because this package is holding up other packages?
[22:33] <somerville32> geser, And then once debian does it, we simply sync
[22:33] <LaserJock> mok0: yep, though perhaps only on the Alt disk
[22:34] <mok0> Ah, OK, the alt disk. Never thought of that. I'll try it..
[22:34] <somerville32> jdong, I was going to ask you to sponsor but maybe geser will :]
[22:34] <mok0> LaserJock: I think it comes up as defauil when installing debian
[22:35] <jdong> somerville32: whee then I can go back to reading about the endoplasmic reticulum!
[22:35] <geser> somerville32: I'm going to bed soon, so jdong can sponsor it if he has time
[22:35] <somerville32> jdong, Grade 10 science? :P
[22:35] <somerville32> jdong, Oh, come sponsor!
[22:35] <mok0> Just got an HP 380 G5 server, will install it tomorrow... :-P
[22:35] <jdong> somerville32: haha no, MIT 7.012 :)
[22:35]  * somerville32 hugs jdong
[22:36] <jdong> somerville32: you know, reading a genetic sequence and figuring out which basepairs bind to the ER membrane :)
[22:36] <LaserJock> somerville32: which is about as hard as 10th grade science ;-)
[22:36] <superm1_> jdong, could i steal you for a moment for an ack on a backport?
[22:36] <jdong> superm1_: yeah go ahead
[22:36] <jdong> I can multitask :)
[22:37] <superm1_> jdong, bug 165310
[22:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165310 in gutsy-backports "mythbuntu-lirc-generator backport" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165310
[22:38] <jdong> superm1_: yeah, that looks good for backporting
[22:38] <superm1_> jdong, cool thx
[22:40] <somerville32> jdong, I'm back
[22:40] <somerville32> jdong, So you'll sponsor :)
[22:40] <jdong> somerville32: it might cost you some favors ;-)
[22:41] <somerville32> jdong, No problem :)
[22:41] <jdong> haha
[22:44] <somerville32> jdong, Will this be your first sponsor?
[22:44] <jdong> somerville32: yeah, it would :)
[22:44] <jdong> somerville32: hence me stumbling through all the steps :)
[22:44] <somerville32> jdong, Sweet. We're partnered for life now.
[22:44] <jdong> O_o
[22:45]  * jdong gives somerville32 a platonic hug...
[22:45] <somerville32> :D
[22:45] <superm1_> oooo exciting
[22:45]  * somerville32 chants for jdong
[22:46] <ScottK> Good thing jdong lives in Massachusetts.
[22:47]  * jdong checks his door lock
[22:47] <jdong> doesn't help that my rev-dns often resolves to my building and room numbers :)
[22:49] <somerville32> :)
[22:50] <mok0> HIya ScottK
[22:50] <ScottK> Heya mok0
[22:51] <ScottK> mok0: Got merges all figured out?
[22:51] <mok0> ScottK: uh yes I am working on a few
[22:52] <ScottK> mok0: Good.  That'll be helpful for seeing lots of different packaging situations.
[22:52] <mok0> ScottK:  Yes, it's interesting. Not impressive, though :-)
[22:52] <ScottK> It's good work to be doing for Ubuntu.  There are never enough people to do them all.
[22:52] <mok0> ScottK: Some of those Debian packages would not have gotten in under the strict eyes of the MOTU
[22:53]  * jdong finds typo in interdiff wiki page :)
[22:53] <jdong> $ combinediff -z packagename_newversion-newrevision.interdiff.gz packagename_version-revision.diff.gz | gzip --best -c - > packagename_newversion-newrevision.diff.gz
[22:53] <jdong> ^^ arguments flipped
[22:53] <ScottK> Yes and the reverse is also true.  It helps to think of Debian as a set of individuals rather than a collective and their views and skills vary widely.
[22:53] <ScottK> and/as
[22:54] <ScottK> (the last one)
[22:54] <lifeless> resistance is futile?
[22:54] <lifeless>            ^not
[22:54] <mok0> ScottK: makes sense...
[22:54] <mok0> ScottK: Are you a DD as well?
[22:54] <ScottK> That has advantages and disadvantages just as the Ubuntu team approach does.
[22:54] <ScottK> mok0: Not yet.
[22:55] <ScottK> The Debian New Maintainer process isn't exactly quick.
[22:55] <slangasek> haha
[22:55] <mok0> ScottK: :-)
[22:55] <mok0> ScottK: You'll get there, I'm sure.   I've pushed all the new packages I did for Ubuntu into Debian and made friends that way.
[22:56] <ScottK> Also there are many people here who are good Debian contacts.
[22:57] <mok0> ScottK: OK? Who's that?
[22:57] <ScottK> There are several.  slangasek is one (his laugh wasnt' random).
[22:57] <ScottK> StevenK is a DD.
[22:57] <ScottK> As is pkern
[22:58] <mok0> ... I've met them here
[22:58] <ScottK> There are also people like POX_, man-di, and white who hang out here and help out from time to time even though they don't use Ubunt
[22:58] <ScottK> u
[22:58] <slangasek> ScottK: and azeem
[22:58]  * jdong cries
[22:58] <mok0> What about the utnubu team?
[22:58] <ScottK> Ah  right.
[22:59] <ScottK> It's not exceptionally active in my experience.
[22:59] <jdong> somerville32: have you been able to get the instructions for reconstituting the new upstream release working?
[22:59] <mok0> Hmm too bad...
[22:59]  * ScottK has just worked through Debian Mentors or an appropriate team to get stuff sponsored.
[22:59] <ScottK> It's no harder (and often easier) than getting stuff sponsored through REVU here.
[23:00] <mok0> I see. I will focus on getting experience in Ubuntu, though, for the time being
[23:02] <somerville32> jdong, Hmm?
[23:02] <slangasek> it seems to me that everything that the utnubu team to set out to accomplish is finished at this point; i.e., not eliminating the delta between Ubuntu and Debian, but providing the necessary pipeline for those changes to be as accessible as possible to the Debian maintainers
[23:02] <somerville32> jdong, Persia doesn't seem to have a problem
[23:02] <somerville32> jdong, I can send you a debdiff instead if you'd like
[23:02] <jdong> somerville32: meh I'm working around it currently, it's a fun ride :)
[23:02] <somerville32> :)
[23:03] <jdong> somerville32: http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/P/PA/PARDUS/File-BaseDir-0.03.tar.gz is the original from upstream right?
[23:03] <mok0> slangasek: But there will be more and more packages in Ubuntu that need to be ported
[23:03] <somerville32> jdong, correct
[23:03] <txwikinger> I have a question about dpatch
[23:03] <somerville32> txwikinger, shoot :)
[23:04] <txwikinger> how can I get the patch file?
[23:04] <txwikinger> I have created a patch file with diff -Nurp old new
[23:04] <txwikinger> but that doesn't worj
[23:04] <txwikinger> work
[23:04] <slangasek> mok0: right, well, the utnubu team can't realistically take sole responsibility for maintaining those packages in Debian anyway
[23:05] <somerville32> How does it not work?
[23:05] <txwikinger> well it says that the file old/.... does not work
[23:05] <slangasek> mok0: my subversive goal is to get the MOTU introducing these packages to become the Debian maintainers as well :)
[23:05] <mok0> slangasek: right, but they could assist UD's getting their stuff into Debian
[23:06] <mok0> slangasek:  Very good idea.
[23:08] <jdong> somerville32: whoo managed to get a .changes file out of it, test building and test reconstituting right now :D
[23:08] <somerville32> :D
[23:08] <ScottK> slangasek: For stuff I've gotten into Ubuntu, your subersive goal is met.
[23:08] <jdong> somerville32: yeah your package builds fine, idn what the other comment is about
[23:08] <LaserJock> slangasek: and DM certianly goes a long way as well
[23:09] <ScottK> Having the Python teams in Debian has helped a lot
[23:09] <somerville32> jdong, omg. Look at what he did to the package :P
[23:09] <mok0> txwikinger: make sure you restore the file you edited before making the patch
[23:09] <somerville32> jdong, Just ignore him
[23:09] <txwikinger> mok0: I did cp -a . /tmp/old
[23:09] <somerville32> jdong, "I initially tried to keep the existing cdbs setup, but that seems
[23:09] <txwikinger> mok0: I did cp -a . /tmp/new
[23:09] <somerville32> incompatible with Module::Build."
[23:09] <somerville32> jdong, I was able to keep CDBS :P
[23:09] <txwikinger> and then I only edited new
[23:10] <txwikinger> I think I miss something fundamental here
[23:10] <mok0> txwikinger: did you try "dpatch apply-all" ?
[23:10] <txwikinger> no
[23:10] <jdong> somerville32: ok, build-tested and .changes file has your name all over it....
[23:11] <jdong> somerville32: so I'm gonna press the dput button and hope nothing implodes ;-)
[23:11] <txwikinger> where and when do I do that?
[23:11] <somerville32> jdong, Thank you muchly! :)
[23:11] <mok0> txwikinger: from your top-level directory (the one that has debian/)
[23:11] <jdong> somerville32: my only question, is Closes lp: #foo a valid Ubuntu syntax?
[23:11] <txwikinger> in the normal source?
[23:11] <mok0> yes
[23:11] <jdong> I thought the use of the term Closes: was looked down upon because Debian parsed it?
[23:12] <txwikinger> before I edit anything?
[23:12] <LaserJock> no
[23:12] <LaserJock> jdong: it parses Closes: #
[23:12] <slangasek> jdong: it's the LP: #foo that's needed; putting 'closes' in front has no adverse effects on Debian
[23:12] <jdong> LaserJock: and we parse LP: #foo. Ok, that works :)
[23:12] <LaserJock> not Closes LP:
[23:12] <mok0> txwikinger: err, assuming you have your dpatches in debian/patches
[23:13] <txwikinger> yes they are there
[23:13] <mok0> txwikinger: then try it
[23:13] <jdong> so somerville32's "* Closes lp: #172244" would be parsed correctly?
[23:13] <txwikinger> but the ones that I created have all kinds of stuff on top of the diff
[23:13] <txwikinger> that I *not* created
[23:13] <LaserJock> jdong: I'm not positive about the case
[23:13] <mok0> txwikinger: what kind of stuff?
[23:13] <LaserJock> jdong: he'd just have to manually do it if it's not right ;-)
[23:13] <Kmos> jdong: don't think so.. only "LP: #123"
[23:14] <jdong> LaserJock: sounds easier than reconstructing another interdiff :P
[23:14]  * jdong rips hair out
[23:14] <somerville32> jdong, Did you upload?: ]
[23:14] <txwikinger> looks like bash script and ends with @dpatch@
[23:14] <jdong> somerville32: doing it now.
[23:14] <somerville32> Can someone post to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453073 and tell them to use mine instead? :P
[23:14] <ubotu> Debian bug 453073 in libfile-basedir-perl "libfile-basedir-perl: New upstream version (0.03)" [Wishlist,Open]
[23:14] <mok0> txwikinger: Hmmm. A dpatch has 5-10 lines before the diff
[23:14] <jdong> Successfully uploaded packages.
[23:15] <jdong> somerville32: ^^ :)
[23:15] <txwikinger> mok0: No it is more
[23:15] <mok0> txwikinger: how did you make the patches?
[23:15] <txwikinger> with diff -Nurp old new
[23:16] <mok0> txwikinger: did you change a lot of stuff?
[23:17] <txwikinger> No only one line
[23:17] <txwikinger> I can redo it if that helps
[23:17] <mok0> txwikinger: just make a diff on that one file
[23:17] <txwikinger> from which folder?
[23:18] <somerville32> jdong,  difference between ectocytosis and endocytosis?
[23:18] <txwikinger> fromm the root?
[23:18] <mok0> above top level
[23:18] <txwikinger> where the .dsc file is?
[23:18] <mok0> yes
[23:18] <txwikinger> and where should I put the file that I edit (i.e. the new one?
[23:19] <mok0> You need a dpatch header in the file
[23:19] <mok0> dpatch patch-template
[23:19] <txwikinger> I think there is one in the debian/patches folder
[23:19] <jdong> somerville32: ectocytosis is the expulsion of vesicles while endocytosis is the taking in of substances
[23:20] <txwikinger> configure.in.dpatch
[23:20] <jdong> somerville32: ectocytosis is related to exocytosis, but in the latter the vesicles are formed as a part of the expulsion process while in the former they are preformed :)
[23:20] <jdong> somerville32: do I get a cookie?
[23:20] <mok0> txwikinger: ok
[23:20] <somerville32> !botsnack
[23:20] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[23:20] <mok0> txwikinger: go "dpatch patch-tempate" it will show you what the header looks like
[23:21] <somerville32> jdong,  Is it safe to upload zim now or should I wait for that to build?
[23:22] <txwikinger> mok0: yes that produces that right header
[23:22] <jdong> somerville32: should be safe to upload, the package will just sit in dependency wait.
[23:22] <jdong> somerville32: as long as you version the build-dep of course
[23:22] <somerville32> jdong, I have
[23:22] <mok0> txwikinger: you're almost there.
[23:22] <txwikinger> cool thanks :)
[23:22] <somerville32> jdong, But how do I test-build without the new  version in the archives?
[23:23] <jdong> somerville32: that is more difficult to do :)
[23:23] <mok0> txwikinger: dpatch apply-all, does it work?
[23:23] <jdong> somerville32: you can testbuild using a local pbuilder plus a local apt repo
[23:23] <txwikinger> mok0: yes
[23:23] <mok0> txwikinger: cool
[23:23] <somerville32> pfft.
[23:24] <jdong> somerville32: or abuse a PPA? :D
[23:24] <somerville32> I suppose, haha
[23:24] <jdong> somerville32: work out the infinite loops beforehand though *whistles innocently
[23:24] <txwikinger> but my patch is not in now.. I took it out
[23:24] <somerville32> jdong, What infinite loops? :P
[23:25] <jdong> somerville32: I kinda tied up an i386 PPA buildd for 48 hours... oopsies
[23:25] <somerville32> jdong, Oh, that upload was looping for me and I thought I really hadn't fixed it and you had uploaded it anyhow :P
[23:25] <mok0> txwikinger: took it out?
[23:26] <jdong> somerville32: btw I think my explanation of ecto/exo was reversed
[23:26] <jdong> -50pts for my bio exam :)
[23:26] <somerville32> jdong, endo is in :P
[23:26] <txwikinger> I just deleted the patch file since it didn't work
[23:26] <mok0> txwikinger: debuild will start by doing a dpatch deapply-all so it doesn't matter
[23:27] <jdong> somerville32: exo is prepackaged, ecto is the plasma membrane turns into the vesicle lining while being shoved out :)
[23:27] <txwikinger> ok
[23:27] <mok0> Itxwikinger: I thought you just made a patch??
[23:27] <somerville32> What is phagocytosis?
[23:27] <txwikinger> yes, but I did it with the method /tmp/old /tmp/new
[23:28] <txwikinger> so it did not have any dpatch header or anything
[23:28] <somerville32> exo is the opposite of endo, btw
[23:28] <mok0> txwikinger: For now, just create the dpatch header and edit it into the patch file
[23:28] <somerville32> nvm the phago question
[23:28] <jdong> somerville32: phagocytosis is endocytosis, but with a specifically formed vesicular lining around the injested body.
[23:28]  * somerville32 nods.
[23:29] <txwikinger> mok0: ok.. sorry if I ask this again
[23:29] <somerville32> jdong, And pinocytosis is eatting like liquid, right?
[23:29] <mok0> np
[23:29] <jdong> somerville32: yes
[23:29] <joejaxx> grrr hth do you page up on a macbook?
[23:29] <somerville32> and Receptor-mediated endocytosis is a more specific active event where the cytoplasm membrane folds inward to form coated pits. These inward budding vesicles bud to form cytoplasmic vesicles?
[23:29] <txwikinger> I have now the src with all patches applied
[23:29] <jdong> joejaxx: fn-up
[23:29] <txwikinger> how shall I now edit and diff the file I want to change?
[23:29] <jdong> somerville32: if you say so :)
[23:30] <jdong> somerville32: I only lurn what's on the test, so I have more time for this Ubuntu stuff ;-)
[23:30] <somerville32> :D
[23:30] <joejaxx> jdong: does not work
[23:30] <jdong> joejaxx: it !worksforme :-/
[23:30] <norsetto> night all
[23:30] <joejaxx> jdong: page up does not work for me in any oses other than leopard
[23:30] <jdong> joejaxx: that's really odd
[23:30] <mok0> txwikinger: I usually just copy the file i edit to file.orig, then I do a diff -uN file.orig file
[23:31] <txwikinger> in the original folder?
[23:31] <mok0> txwikinger: yeahh
[23:31] <txwikinger> ok
[23:32] <mok0> then I edit the patch file to include the dpatch header, and I add dummy directory names to the +++ file to make it a -p1 patch
[23:33] <mok0> then I make the 00list file in debian/patches
[23:33] <txwikinger> there are already other dpatches
[23:33] <mok0> ls *-dpatch > 00list
[23:33] <txwikinger> so there is already a 00list
[23:34] <mok0> txwikinger: you just want the names of all the patch files in there
[23:34] <ScottK> Did this turn into #ubuntu-biology while I was gone?
[23:35] <jdong> ScottK: it might be #ubuntu-chemistry soon
[23:35] <jdong> ScottK: and #ubuntu-diffeq on Thurs :)
[23:35]  * LaserRock runs
[23:35] <txwikinger> yes mok0: I think I understand the 00list file
[23:35] <mok0> txwikinger: good!
[23:35] <ScottK> Good thing I've been out of school long enough to have forgotten all about all those things.
[23:36] <mok0> :)
[23:36] <jdong> ScottK: oh how I envy you :)
[23:36] <txwikinger> mok0: So I do my diff file
[23:36] <txwikinger> add the header
[23:36] <somerville32> I love learning :)
[23:36] <txwikinger> put it in the folder
[23:36] <mok0> txwikinger: yup
[23:36] <txwikinger> add the name to the 00list
[23:36] <ScottK> jdong: But think of the decades of slogging through a career you have still ahead of you that I don't.
[23:36] <txwikinger> and that is it ?
[23:37] <ScottK> mok0: You might want to discuss dpatch-edit-patch as that's a pretty foolproof way to make a patch.
[23:37]  * somerville32 nods.
[23:37] <mok0> txwikinger: yes. It should work, but the patches need to be relative to the .dsc dir
[23:37] <txwikinger> ha ScottK doesn't know me
[23:37] <mok0> ScottK: That's next lesson :-)
[23:37] <txwikinger> I can break foolproof
[23:38] <txwikinger> right mok0
[23:38] <ScottK> mok0: OK.
[23:38] <ScottK> txwikinger: I understand that nothing is actually foolproof as they are too ingenious.  I've proven that myself on enough occasions.
[23:39] <mok0> This is like working remote, without seeing, hearing or feeling :-)
[23:39] <txwikinger> ScottK: :)
[23:39] <ScottK> mok0: Imagine if this was all point/click gui instead of CLI.  It'd be even more fun then.
[23:39] <txwikinger> ScottK: I always frustrate people because I break things in ways they never thought about it is possible :D
[23:39] <StevenK> Hum.
[23:40]  * StevenK reads his away log and says, "Oh, damn."
[23:40] <ScottK> txwikinger: Been there.  Done that.
[23:40] <mok0> ScottK: I can never remember what I did in a GUI. Which is what makes photoshop a real challenge
[23:40]  * ScottK figures StevenK is referring to #ubuntu-devel
[23:40] <StevenK> I am.
[23:42] <StevenK> Right, seb128 cleaned up my mess.
[23:50] <LaserRock> creepy, my advisor just asked me if I was gonna be around in Feburary
[23:50] <LaserRock> I guess that means I'm supposed to graduate sometime
[23:53] <txwikinger> mok0: Thanks the patch applies now :D
[23:53] <mok0> txwikinger:  Yay!
[23:54] <mok0> txwikinger: remember, it's better with many small patches, than one big one. Remember to document what the patches do in debian/changelog
[23:54] <txwikinger> yes mok0
[23:55] <txwikinger> I just try one of the MOTU butesizes
[23:55] <txwikinger> I liitle fix for the info stuff
[23:55] <mok0> txwikinger: good idea
[23:55] <txwikinger> I have already down a couple of simple packages from scratch
[23:55] <txwikinger> s/down/done/
[23:56] <mok0> txwikinger: without patches, I take it....
[23:56] <txwikinger> I think I didn't need them
[23:57] <mok0> txwikinger: once you get used to patches, they are actually pretty nice to work with. You keep the original sources pristine
[23:58] <txwikinger> I only had to create all the stuff for the debian folder
[23:58] <txwikinger> I didn't have to change anything in the original sources
[23:58] <txwikinger> I totally agree the method with the patches is great
[23:58] <mok0> txwikinger: did you upload the packages?
[23:59] <txwikinger> on revu yes
[23:59] <mok0> txwikinger: wait till you learn about the dpatch-edit-patch command, it'll blow you away... :-)
[23:59] <txwikinger> oh .. I did one for main and uploaded the debdiff on the bug
[23:59] <txwikinger> :D


[13:13] <remix_tj> http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicpaintingwrong1.png
[13:13] <remix_tj> :-)
[13:14]  * Myrtti wonders how that is relevant
[13:14] <bazhang> remix_tj, please dont paste that here
[13:14] <remix_tj> doh, wrong tab, sorry :-)
[23:00] <ubot4> ianto called the ops in #ubuntu-cym ()


[09:37] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:54] <icey> ahoy
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> o/
[13:07] <Forge> If you make a script to say good morning, and then you die, but the script keeps on keeping on, aren't you still alive, at least on a certain level?
[13:10] <icey> The cost of imortality is a script!
[13:29] <Forge> Cheap enough.


[13:05] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +2322 cases (now 815282), +44 deaths (now 12913) since 23 hours ago


[18:47] <BonesolTeraDyne> eagles05: XMMS doesn't exist in the hardy reops
[18:48] <eagles05> BonesolTeraDyne: oh
[18:48] <eagles05> !info xmms
[18:48] <BonesolTeraDyne> told you
[18:48] <ubuntu> !atheros
[18:48] <kaminix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/224541  Oh come on, it's happened me three times already... I can't be the only one!
[18:48] <eagles05> BonesolTeraDyne:  could he compil from source
[18:49] <BonesolTeraDyne> eagles05: It might not work. It all depends on weither or not he has the right versions of the needed libs
[18:49] <BonesolTeraDyne> XMMS is very old
[18:49] <eagles05> gptcha
[18:50] <eagles05> gotcha
[18:51] <hellotello> eagles05: xmms is not in repos
[18:51] <p_quarles> the xmms forks are available though: audacious and bmpx
[18:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> isn't there another one?
[18:52] <hellotello> is there anyway to install xmms (even it is not in repos)?
[18:57] <GothicD3vil> hi, can somebody help me with the installation of realplayer?
[18:57] <Freku> why dont use vlc to play rm files
[18:58] <GothicD3vil> because i use realplayer to hear music like from amazon, hottopic and that stuff before i buy a cd
[19:06] <matthew_> What package must I install for linux headers, so I can install software that needs to compile driver modules?
[19:08] <matthew_> there are many such packages listed and I don't have a clue which one I need..
[19:09] <matthew_> The description is the same for all of them
[19:09] <jussi01> matthew_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[19:10] <matthew_> I will try that.. thank you!
[19:10] <jussi01> matthew_: :)
[19:11] <matthew_> jussi01: it tried to install the same one I installed already--the generic.  Those headers don't work.. cannot compile drivers using them.
[19:12] <jussi01> matthew_: are you sure thats what you are missing?
[19:12] <jussi01> or is the driver you are trying to compile not looking in the right place?
[19:12] <matthew_> jussi01: I am rerunning the vmware installer now, to see the exact error messages...
[19:13] <jussi01> ok
[19:14] <stdin> vmware looks in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build which should be a symlink to the headers in /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[19:14] <jussi01> matthew_: ^
[19:16] <stdin> and you'll probably have to google "vmware any-any patch" to actually get the damn modules to build anyway (not like vmware haven't had enough time to fix it them selfs already) </grumble>
[19:17] <matthew_> jussi01: oops.. the model built and loaded perfectly, according to the installer... the actually error is: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only/userif.c:636: error: ‘const struct sk_buff’ has no member named ‘h’
[19:17] <razor49_> Bonjour, j'ai un problème et je voudrais quelques informations.
[19:17] <stdin> matthew_: yep see my grumble ^
[19:17] <jussi01> matthew_: I suggest you take stdin's advice
[19:17] <stdin> !fr | razor49_
[19:18] <matthew_> stdin: ok.. thanks..
[19:20] <matthew_> stdin and jussi01: ok, but I noticed exactly such a symlink already exists there.
[19:21] <jussi01> matthew_: go grab the the any-any patch, should fix your problem
[19:23] <mith_> can anybody help me about madwifi?
[19:23] <ScorpKing> mith_: what card do you have and what exactly do you need help with?
[19:26] <mith_> ScorpKing: atheros card, and i can't use my wifi at home
[19:27] <ScorpKing> !wifi
[19:27] <ScorpKing> take a look at that and see if it helps ^
[19:28] <mith_> ScorpKing: i've seen those but doesn't help for me...but one moment a found a good tutor about this
[19:30] <ScorpKing> hmm.. i don't have my laptop close by to check but what does lshw | less show about the card?
[19:33] <ScorpKing> i want to edit the livecd and add some programs. i can't remember the factiod and !remaster is not it. can someone give me a link?
[19:34] <stdin> !remaster
[19:34] <stdin> nope
[19:34] <ek> Anyone here using an EVGA graphics card with an AMD64 version of Kubuntu?
[19:34] <kaminix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/224541  Oh come on, it's happened me three times already... I can't be the only one!
[19:36] <DexterF> guys I'm installing 8.04 on a Celeron/512meg laptop and it takes FOREVER around 95%+ removing a bazillion OOo packages - that normal?
[19:36] <stdin> ScorpKing: try http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility
[19:37] <ek> DexterF: For the most part, yes. I've had some systems take over an hour to install on.
[19:37] <ScorpKing> stdin: ah nice! thanks :)
[19:39] <DexterF> ek: seriusly..? I mean, I installed 7.04 in less than half an hour on an old athlon xp, and what totally weirds me out is that it keeps telling me about how it removes packag.... finished this moment :D
[19:40] <ek> DexterF: Yup. Seriously. In fact, it took over an hour installing on a P4-2.4GHz with 2 gigs of RAM with 7.10.
[19:41] <ScorpKing> kaminix: did you try changing the filename? what does vlc do?
[19:41] <ek> But, 8.04 on the same machine seemed to whiz by.
[19:42] <DexterF> ek: well, this is 8.04 on that laptop. I don't quite get why it *installs* all the OOo stuff and *then* removes it again
[19:42] <ScorpKing> kaminix: launch it from konsole and maybe something will show up
[19:42] <kaminix> ScorpKing: 1) The first filename has no strange characters at all, the one in crash one. 2) The bug only appears a little now and then, and I do not know when. =/ Would've installed the debug packages and stuff if I did
[19:42] <elias> what is the best/appropriate place for env vars for all users?
[19:43] <elias> does kubuntu set the KDEDIRS var?
[19:43] <ScorpKing> kaminix: weird.. still looking at the attachments
[19:43] <stdin> elias: that's set in the startkde script iirc
[19:43] <elias> my /etc/kde3 dir is not looked at by my kde apps.
[19:44] <stdin> elias: what kde apps are you expecting to look there?
[19:44] <elias> kmail
[19:44] <wad> My friend runs debian unstable. He did "apt-get install simutrans", and got a cool game. I tried to get it, but the package doesn't exist. Am I just out of luck until someone make a kubuntu package for it?
[19:44] <kaminix> Thanks ScorpKing, would be nice if this bug could be fixed. =/ It's quite annoying. :p
[19:45] <ScorpKing> kaminix: hehe.. i'm no pro but if i notice something i'll let you know ;)
[19:45] <stdin> elias: no, they look in /usr/share/config.kcfg/ or ~/.kde/share/config/
[19:45] <elias> I do not have kubuntu-desktop installed but some kde apps (kontact, kmail).
[19:45] <stdin> /etc/kde3/ is for some kde globals and KDM
[19:45] <kaminix> ScorpKing: Nice, do you agree with my guess regarding the libs being the cause of problem?
[19:46] <elias> stdin: This used to work. I had a default kmailrc in /etc/kde3
[19:46] <elias> but now the KDEDIRS env var does not seem to be set
[19:46] <stdin> elias: if you want to set a var for all uses /etc/environment is the best place
[19:47] <Boingo> Hello everyone.  It seems that since I upgraded to 8.04 (KDE3.x version) that when I launch k3b that the dvdrom drive no longer functions until I reboot.
[19:47] <elias> could you have a look if it is set for you on your systems?
[19:47] <Boingo> I cannot eject with the button, or with "eject" from terminal.
[19:47] <ScorpKing> kaminix: could be. so far it looks like the file is invalid but the player/libs does not report or fix it. still looking though
[19:47] <Boingo> I have been googling for an hour at this point and am a bit stumped.
[19:48] <kaminix> ScorpKing: The movie file? It played fine when I restarted got back into KDE though.
[19:48] <elias> stdin: I'll try that!
[19:48] <Boingo> The drive works with the button when KDE boots, and can read discs in dolphin, but once I lauchk3b it stops working.
[19:50] <ScorpKing> kaminix: yeah. weird
[19:51] <kaminix> ScorpKing: Yes, that's what puzzles me most. :s Otherwise I'd guess it was just the xine library
[19:52] <ScorpKing> kaminix: i wonder what this is from - kio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header has invalid size (-1)
[19:53] <kaminix> ScorpKing: Thing is, I think there are loads of small errors in those logs which are pretty much harmless. :p
[19:53] <ScorpKing> ah
[19:54] <jmg_> salut
[19:55] <iode> Can someone tell me what the command is in terminal to get the latest version of bitchx?
[19:55] <iode> get something, blah blah
[19:55] <ScorpKing> kaminix: i don't see much else that could cause it. did you try it in vlc? it usually reports errors better from what i've seen
[19:56] <kaminix> ScorpKing: I don't use VLC much, but as I've said, the bug only comes a little now and then. So far no VLC problems.
[19:57] <ScorpKing> kaminix: i see. sorry but i'm out of ideas
[19:57] <iode> Can someone tell me what the command is in terminal to get the latest version of bitchx?
[19:57] <kaminix> ScorpKing:  :(
[19:58] <iode> anyone?
[19:58] <fizzer> hello
[19:59] <fizzer> !theme
[19:59] <ScorpKing> iode: sudo aptitude install bitchx or download and compile the latest source
[19:59] <fizzer> !changethemes
[19:59] <iode> I see
[19:59] <fizzer> hmm
[20:00] <iode> Also, another question
[20:00] <fizzer> i dont found that system preferences anywhere
[20:00] <iode> I installed eggdrop from synaptic, and when I open terminal and type "eggdrop" to run it
[20:00] <iode> I get
[20:00] <ScorpKing> fizzer: press <alt>+<f2> and run kcontrol
[20:01] <Gioacchino> ragazzi ma e' vero che divilinux ha abbandonato definitivamente kde ???
[20:01] <iode> Eggdrop v1.6.18+SSL (C) 1997 Robey Pointer (C) 2006 Eggheads
[20:01] <iode> [14:59] --- Loading eggdrop v1.6.18+SSL (Mon May  5 2008)
[20:01] <iode> [14:59] Tcl error in file '.':
[20:01] <iode> [14:59]
[20:01] <iode> [14:59] * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR)
[20:01] <fizzer> thnx
[20:01] <ScorpKing> !paste | iode
[20:01] <Gioacchino> per passare a xcfe ?
[20:01] <Gioacchino> sorry
[20:02] <fizzer> ScorpKing: then i write sudo system or?
[20:02] <ScorpKing> Gioacchino: language?
[20:02] <ScorpKing> fizzer: no, just kcontrol
[20:02] <fizzer> ok
[20:02] <Gioacchino> sorry... I joined on #kubuntu-it and I not understand that it send me here..
[20:03] <fizzer> ScorpKing: thnx alot
[20:03] <hanedera> was known as elias before. tried to set KDEDIRS and it is there, but still the configs are not read.
[20:03] <fizzer> btw why you guys dont got channel in quakenet?
[20:03] <ScorpKing> fizzer: you're welcome :)
[20:03] <ScorpKing> fizzer: i kinda like this one here but you'll have to ask the ops ;)
[20:04] <fizzer> ok
[20:06] <fizzer> ScorpKing: what is best plase to find themes
[20:06] <ScorpKing> fizzer: www.kde-look.org
[20:06] <fizzer> ty
[20:06] <ScorpKing> yw
[20:07] <ScorpKing> fizzer: there is also www.kde-apps.org btw
[20:10] <fizzer> why there is no theme file in themes what i try download :/
[20:11] <DexterF> what's it with "GDebi"? is that usable? I just treid to show a friend how to use a non-repos package and GDebi sits at 0% and stalls
[20:12] <mefisto__> is the non-repos package intended for ubuntu? where did you get it?
[20:13] <fizzer> ScorpKing:  do i need to download that kdm theme manager ?
[20:13] <fizzer> or
[20:13] <ScorpKing> fizzer: it makes things easier
[20:13] <fizzer> ok
[20:13] <fizzer> i download it now
[20:14] <DexterF> mefisto__: Opera9.27 for ubuntu 8.04, known to work
[20:14] <froud> Anyone have a solution to reading dvd-rw mini discs finalized from a sony camcorder?
[20:15] <DexterF> froud: hmm... cinelerra..? kino...?
[20:16] <fizzer> ScorpKing: do you us quakenet ?
[20:16] <jimmy51vinsky> i'm wanting to compile/build stuff under kubuntu 8.04.  what pacakges do i need to install?  i've already got build-essential, gawk, ncurses-dev, bison, texinfo
[20:16] <ScorpKing> fizzer: no
[20:16] <fizzer> ok
[20:16] <ScorpKing> jimmy51vinsky: it depends on what you need to compile
[20:16] <fizzer> well soon i go wach ice hockey so, i think tomorrow i come back here and ask some questions again :P
[20:17] <froud> DexterF: Hmmm, need to be able to mount it before you can use any app
[20:17] <jimmy51vinsky> trying to compile binutils 2.17
[20:17] <froud> DexterF: problem is I cannot mount it
[20:17] <fizzer> that kdm theme manager downloading wont work its jsut gives me error
[20:18] <dotancohen> Can the old kcontrol still be found in KDE 4.x, or just the Mac OS X lookalike?
[20:18] <mefisto__> DexterF: I installed opera from repos. I have "deb http://archive.canonical.com hardy partner" in my sources.list
[20:18] <PhilRod> dotancohen: I think it's still there. What does Alt+F2 -> kcontrol give you?
[20:19] <dotancohen> !PhilRod: It gives me the mac lookalike
[20:19] <dotancohen> @ubuttu: no worries
[20:19] <jimmy51vinsky> ScorpKing:  trying to compile binutils 2.17
[20:19] <papat> hi, I can't see icons in my desktop in one user. If I tell kubuntu to put an app icon onto the Desktop, it works, but the former stuff I had does not show. Any ideas?
[20:20] <papat> (kubuntu Hardy)
[20:20] <ScorpKing> jimmy51vinsky: do you get errors about missing libs?
[20:20] <papat> (kde4)
[20:20] <ScorpKing> !kde4
[20:21] <jimmy51vinsky> ScorpKing:  here is my output:  http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/5466
[20:22] <jimmy51vinsky> ScorpKing:  it looks good to me until line 261.  Then i get warned to get texinfo (which i have already installed)
[20:22] <crweb> I've just installed kubuntu 8.04 and updated. Now everytime I open up dolphin i get: The desktop entry file (... amarok_addaspodcast.desktop  has an invalid menu entry as addAsPodcast
[20:23] <crweb> this happens 20-30 times each time I want to select or right click a file.
[20:23] <crweb> or even if i just click the white background
[20:23] <mefisto__> DexterF: if you want to so your friend how GDebi works, you can search for another ubuntu .deb at http://www.getdeb.net
[20:24] <mefisto__> *show
[20:24] <ScorpKing> jimmy51vinsky: if you didn't modified a `.texi' or `.texinfo' file it should be ok.
[20:24] <jimmy51vinsky> ScorpKing:  you mean the compile worked?  The errors at the bottom scare me
[20:25] <ScorpKing> jimmy51vinsky: i'm not 100% sure but i get that when i compile stuff and it still works
[20:25] <mefisto__> crweb: rename or remove /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[20:26] <mefisto__> crweb: that is, rename it to amarok_addaspodcast.desktop.backup or something, in case you find you need it
[20:26] <crweb> mefisto__: ok thanks
[20:28] <ScorpKing> stdin: btw, this is the link i was looking for - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization - can you add a factiod (!remaster) for that please?
[20:28] <stdin> !remaster
[20:29] <stdin> !remastering is <alias> remaster
[20:29] <stdin> err
[20:29] <crweb> I also have this problem that if my system is under any load at all, no matter how small firefox stops responding until all work is done.
[20:30] <stdin> !no remastering is <alias> remaster
[20:30] <stdin> silly bot
[20:30] <_dewd> firefox under hardy sux anyway white pages are green :-S
[20:30] <crweb> its a core 2 duo E6700 with 6 gigs of PC1066.. shouldn't ever hesitate.
[20:30] <_dewd> does anyone have that white = green problem with firefox under hardy
[20:30] <stdin> nope
[20:31] <_dewd> had the same problem with iceweasel under gutsy
[20:31] <stdin> is about:blank green too?
[20:31] <hanedera> what I am still batteling with is to get KDE read /etc/kde3 for default configs. having a env var KDEDIRS="/etc/kde3" does not seem to do the trick.
[20:31] <_dewd> yes
[20:31] <crweb> I don't have white = green issue.  Only issue i see is firefox not redrawing its window if I'm doing any disc i/o
[20:31] <stdin> how about any white graphics?
[20:32] <_dewd> anyway when I type that it doesn't stay in the url thingy
[20:32] <stdin> it won't about:blank is the default empty page
[20:32] <djdarkman> a friend of mine had gutsy then he upgraded it to hardy and because of the new kernel he can`t use his PC because it`s for some strange reason won`t work, he filed a bug with a kernel log, and they responded that it`s not a bug
[20:32] <_dewd> also some pages are green when they should be white
[20:32] <djdarkman> this kind of doesn`t make sense to me
[20:32] <crweb> djdarkman: system is to slow to use?
[20:33] <_dewd> I guess when white is not specified as background it defaults to green
[20:33] <djdarkman> crweb: system doesn`t boot
[20:33] <_dewd> google's white is just white
[20:33] <djdarkman> minimal console and nothing more (not bash that would be luxury)
[20:33] <_dewd> I had the same problem with iceweasel under gutsy
[20:33] <crweb> I thought my problem with firefox was: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226   but i've fixed this and it still won't respond
[20:34] <djdarkman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/226965
[20:34] <ScorpKing> stdin: thanks. can you take a look at this and add it there maybe? ;) http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[20:34] <_dewd> thought it was the use flags or something
[20:34] <djdarkman> don`t understand this, why is it not a bug?
[20:34] <_dewd> also fldigi's waterfall is not working after the upgrade to hardy
[20:35] <_dewd> really no clue how to fix it
[20:35] <_dewd> not easy to find on google as well firefox +green +white + problem or something doesn't lead to an solution
[20:36] <_dewd> perfectly reproduceable on two systems with different procs etc
[20:36] <djdarkman> I mean If it`s clearly visible that your system doesn`t even boot with a kernel and works with the previous version, why it`s considered not a bug but a support question?
[20:36] <_dewd> weird and _very_ irritating
[20:36] <stdin> !remaster > ScorpKing
[20:37] <crweb> djdarkman: there could be many things that are also incorrect
[20:37] <ScorpKing> stdin: thanks again :)
[20:37] <stdin> np :)
[20:37] <DexterF> where do I enabled mouse gestures for konq?
[20:37] <DexterF> -d
[20:37] <crweb> djdarkman: example, one kernel has working nvidia driver buit, the other does not makes it look like it didn't boot but it did, etc
[20:37] <crweb> djdarkman: i think it is reasonable to move the topic to support to discuss and locate the real issue, so the real bug can be found
[20:38] <djdarkman> crweb: but it boots into a minimal shell(busybux i think)
[20:38] <crweb> djdarkman: exactly.  doesn't sound like a kernel issue
[20:39] <djdarkman> but what`s got to be the problem if even bash can`t start?
[20:39] <crweb> djdarkman: have to locate the actual bug before the bug can be fixed and as the bug report says this should be done through support.
[20:40] <crweb> djdarkman: there are to many problems to list that "could" be the actual problem
[20:40] <ere4si> djdarkman: is it the 386 kernel you're using that won't work? - di you have a generic kernel to boot with?
[20:40] <ere4si> *do
[20:40] <djdarkman> ere4si: generic kernel
[20:40] <ere4si> k
[20:41] <_dewd> so noone has an green about:blank in ff ?
[20:41] <crweb> djdarkman: i'm just trying to offer you an answer as to why they say its not a bug currently.  I don't have answer to actual issue.
[20:41] <_dewd> crappy hardy :-(
[20:41] <djdarkman> I understand
[20:41] <crweb> _dewd: indeed.
[20:42] <crweb> _dewd: i wish kubuntu didn't have to live on top of the flailing of the ubuntu team.
[20:42] <crweb> not sure where else they would live though ;)
[20:42] <ASUS-tek> lol
[20:42] <_dewd> is it possible to downgrade ?
[20:42] <ASUS-tek> ??
[20:42] <_dewd> 2 programs I really need just don't work
[20:43] <ASUS-tek> which ones
[20:43] <crweb> well, for sure firefox
[20:43] <_dewd> that and I don't have an fucking capital I when I type I
[20:43] <stdin> !language | _dewd
[20:43] <ASUS-tek> ok clean install ubuntu
[20:44] <ASUS-tek> cnweb u ther or u just vanished
[20:44] <crweb> ? i'm here
[20:44] <jussi01> !u | ASUS-tek
[20:44] <ASUS-tek> try formatign and try installing it clean
[20:45] <crweb> ASUS-tek: this has only been installed for 15 minutes
[20:45] <crweb> same for this time, the time before that, and before that too ;)
[20:45] <crweb> firefox is responsive and works great in 7.10, and in 8.04 any i/o load brings firefox to its knees.
[20:45] <ASUS-tek> ok try using opean
[20:45] <crweb> and i mean *any*
[20:45] <ASUS-tek> opera *
[20:46] <crweb> which isn't part of ubuntu ;)
[20:46] <ASUS-tek> use opera naa
[20:46] <mefisto__> I don't have any of these problems with firefox in hardy
[20:46] <ASUS-tek> lol install it its nice me to now on opera
[20:46] <ASUS-tek> there might be soem hard ware config
[20:46] <ASUS-tek> it happends
[20:47] <attila_> Can't change my intel 845 GCard from i810 driver. Any help would be appreciated (n00b here)
[20:47] <ASUS-tek> crweb
[20:47] <crweb> yes?
[20:47] <ASUS-tek> install and use opera its a nice software i have been using opera since 4 yrs
[20:47] <ASUS-tek> and it rocks
[20:47] <crweb> sorry, I'm an open source user.
[20:47] <ASUS-tek> lol i thought about that
[20:48] <crweb> and that doesn't solve my complaint about ubuntu ;)
[20:48] <ASUS-tek> ok then use konqurer then or kmelen
[20:48] <mefisto__> that ubottu nitpicking about U not being a pronoun, it has a spelling error.
[20:48] <ASUS-tek> kmeleon
[20:48] <ASUS-tek> or just wait for am update
[20:48] <ASUS-tek> an *
[20:49] <ASUS-tek> crweb u developer
[20:49] <crweb> whoops, worng command ;)
[20:49] <ASUS-tek> hahah
[20:50] <ASUS-tek> y u r compelling ur self to open source only
[20:50] <crweb> ASUS-tek: yes, i'm an embedded qt developer
[20:50] <ASUS-tek> what is qt now
[20:50] <ASUS-tek> me motor vehical engineer age22
[20:50] <ASUS-tek> heheh
[20:51] <FFForever> how do i install keypassx
[20:51] <FFForever> ?
[20:51] <crweb> ASUS-tek:  qt is the toolkit kde/kubuntu is based on
[20:51] <ASUS-tek> ok sounds kool
[20:51] <ASUS-tek> i dont know much but hope u get ur problem solved
[20:52] <stdin> ASUS-tek: y, r and u are not words, please use words
[20:52] <ASUS-tek> u personally dont know ur other friends using the same thing
[20:52] <ASUS-tek> nope i wont
[20:52] <stdin> this is not AOL, sorry
[20:52] <ASUS-tek> stdin
[20:53] <ASUS-tek> but what differece it make
[20:53] <ASUS-tek> u can understand right
[20:53] <mefisto__> ASUS-tek: it's hard to read
[20:53] <crweb> you are much harder to read
[20:53] <ASUS-tek> hehehh
[20:53] <stdin> it will make us take you seriously and no, it 's not easy to understand
[20:54] <ASUS-tek> but i dont wnat be be serious this one of the lots of thing i do
[20:54] <mefisto__> ASUS-tek: I'll still take you seriously, but I won't like you
[20:54] <mefisto__> :P
[20:54] <ASUS-tek> :D
[20:54] <stdin> 15 7h15 3a5y 2 r3ad?
[20:54] <ASUS-tek> american ppl are sure strange
[20:54] <ASUS-tek> :P
[20:55] <stdin> use real words if you want to interact with real people
[20:55] <ASUS-tek> slience at last
[20:55] <ASUS-tek> humm.. i am a lazy
[20:55] <ASUS-tek> and very lathargic
[20:56] <ASUS-tek> u all developer by the way
[20:56] <ASUS-tek> is there any one desides taht
[20:56] <ASUS-tek> that *
[20:56] <stdin> syntax error near: "all"
[20:56] <ASUS-tek> heheh
[20:56] <ASUS-tek> :P
[20:56] <ASUS-tek> :D
[20:57] <ASUS-tek> is ther any one in computer hardware
[20:57] <andyt> !qq
[20:57] <ASUS-tek> using ubuntu
[20:57] <ASUS-tek> with thine clients
[20:57] <stdin> if you were in computer hardware, it'd have to be big hardware or a very small person
[20:57] <ASUS-tek> thin *
[20:58] <stdin> !ltsp
[20:58] <ASUS-tek> lol am haivng poor english understanding skils i cant or didnt understand what u just typed
[20:58] <ASUS-tek> ok and udottu
[20:59] <Tecumseh> hi guys, I have a major problem with k3b. It is unable to finalize the dvd's I'm trying to burn
[20:59] <ASUS-tek> have u tryed it on mesh networking
[21:00] <ASUS-tek> kool man @ubottu those articals were nice
[21:00] <ASUS-tek> u know more info about then
[21:00] <stdin> ASUS-tek: ubottu dones't know anything, it's a computer program
[21:01] <ASUS-tek> ok super kool
[21:01] <ASUS-tek> stdin thx telling me
[21:01] <ASUS-tek> stdin what else u doing besides developing software
[21:02] <stdin> today, fixing broken software mostly. like that bot there
[21:02] <ASUS-tek> ok related to firefox i guess
[21:03] <ASUS-tek> i was asking do u all in to stock markets , commditys
[21:03] <ASUS-tek> other open source related activitys
[21:04] <ASUS-tek> like promoting at school level
[21:04] <ASUS-tek> high school level
[21:04] <stdin> it's better if you ask non-support questions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:04] <ASUS-tek> telling teacher s to use linux
[21:04] <ASUS-tek> hahah
[21:04] <ASUS-tek> i am very new in irc
[21:04] <ASUS-tek> i jsut starting using it today
[21:05] <stdin> just click on the channel name and you'll join it, or type in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:05] <ASUS-tek> we all ahve lan here in MUmbai we dont need irc and all
[21:05] <Tecumseh> could someone help me with the burninng issue, since I have installed Hardy I can't burn cd's or dvd's anymore. Hardware and media hasn't changed
[21:05] <ASUS-tek> i might the first person doing that eating u all ppls head
[21:05] <ASUS-tek> stdin he is asking u some thing
[21:06] <ASUS-tek> u the developer naan
[21:06] <stdin> ASUS-tek: he's asking the channel, and I don't work on k3b and I don't burn many disks
[21:06] <stdin> now if you want to chat, #ubuntu-offtopic is the place to do it
[21:06] <ASUS-tek> ok dude kool dont get angry
[21:06] <crweb> ASUS-tek: this is more of a public forum for discussion
[21:07] <crweb> discussion & support of issues
[21:07] <ASUS-tek> i didnt get u
[21:07] <ASUS-tek> ok humm.. but i find u ppl every less active here
[21:07] <ASUS-tek> most of then inactive
[21:07] <ASUS-tek> them*
[21:07] <stdin> this is #kubuntu, the official Kubuntu support channel, for non-support related discussion please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:07] <hanedera>  I don't get my KDE apps to read KDEDIRS=/etc/kde3 for default preferences.
[21:08] <ASUS-tek> what is that
[21:08] <Tecumseh> I must agree to that ASUS-tek, I have asked the same question a couple of days in a row now
[21:08] <crweb> ASUS-tek: everyone has their own specialties, if someone sees the answer to something they know, they reply
[21:08] <ASUS-tek> ya i know what happen arround here all this kind of places i am here for time pass
[21:09] <froud> sigh ... anyone know how to read mini-rw finalized by a sony handcam?
[21:09] <stdin> ASUS-tek: then join #ubuntu-offtopic, it's more active there
[21:09] <ASUS-tek> i will learn new psychology  reated thing
[21:09] <ASUS-tek> u there
[21:09] <ASUS-tek> stdin
[21:10] <ASUS-tek> say fast man
[21:10] <stdin> I'm everywhere
[21:10] <ASUS-tek> its 2 oclock in the morning here
[21:10] <ASUS-tek> ok i am also comming in off topic also
[21:10] <T3> after upgrade to hardy, i'm facing problems with encoding when using arrows in vi/vim. i tried reinstalling vim (vim-common, vim, etc), but still have problems with
[21:10] <T3> any guess?
[21:10] <djouallah> hello, i have a small problem, adapt don't fetch update from the internet
[21:12] <ASUS-tek> stdin am to in offtopic
[21:15] <mefisto__> djouallah: have you tried changing download server in adept > manage repositories ?
[21:16] <DexterF> laptop (Toshiba Satellite L40-170, wifi chip unknown)  - what are the basic steps to configure wifi?
[21:16] <djouallah> mefisto__:  will try now
[21:16] <ASUS-tek> stdin
[21:17] <ASUS-tek> yoo hail victoria
[21:17] <ASUS-tek> :P
[21:20] <ASUS-tek> hail victoria
[21:20] <ASUS-tek> :P
[21:21]  * nainef notes that downioadling packages seems slower today.....
[21:21] <djouallah> mefisto__:  i changed but nothing, is there a way to use a command line
[21:21] <the__doctor__> anyone happen to know why everything in WINE shows up black and unreadable?
[21:22] <nainef> !wine
[21:22] <nainef> right? :)
[21:23] <nainef> the__doctor__ (love your show by the way) but if you cannot find your answer here trey #wine channel
[21:23] <mefisto__> djouallah: sudo apt-get update  (but make sure you close adept first) and then, sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:23] <the__doctor__> nainef: cheers :)
[21:24] <nainef> good luck, wine is very cool....
[21:24] <ASUS-tek> yoooo
[21:24] <mefisto__> wine is ok, but there are no good apps for it
[21:25] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, that depends on what you want to run
[21:25] <djouallah> hm apt-get update has erros can't fetch files ( i am using proxy to acces the net)
[21:25] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I was trying to make a joke. It's a common complaint you hear about linux
[21:26] <ubuntu> alguien ke sepa spanish
[21:26] <BluesKaj> if you mean games as good apps , then I guess you're outta luck
[21:26] <_myrtille_> !es
[21:26] <BluesKaj> !es
[21:26] <ccc4> im a newbiee can any one help me download windows live messeneger
[21:26] <Nitro> what libs will I need to change the qt theme?
[21:26] <Nitro> (I'm not using ubuntu, but I wish to change the qt theme)
[21:26] <potty> wens hardy getting updates?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> ccc4, dunno if there's a linux version
[21:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ccc4: pidgin.
[21:27] <ccc4> blueskaj do u use a msn
[21:27] <BluesKaj> pidgin might run it
[21:27] <Daisuke_Ido> or kopete, if you're so inclined.
[21:27] <Daisuke_Ido> both work fine with messenger
[21:27] <ccc4> i use wine ma mate did it 4 me
[21:27] <BluesKaj> I use kopete for IMs
[21:27] <Nitro> ccc4: I'd recommend emesene
[21:28] <ccc4> nitro how do i get it but i heard live messenger is better
[21:28] <Nitro> ....
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> Nitro: they've made some pretty significant advances lately, haven't they?
[21:28] <Nitro> emesene? indeed.
[21:28] <Nitro> it's a really active project atm.
[21:28] <Nitro> a lot more active than I thought :--o
[21:28] <ccc4> not suree is there a video about emessne
[21:28] <Nitro> ..
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> it's an instant message program
[21:28] <Nitro> ccc4: in linux, with packages it's really easy to install and uninstall things
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> what good is a video?
[21:28] <Nitro> there's no problem in installing and removing it afterwords
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> i mean really...
[21:29] <Nitro> ccc4: are you using ubuntu or kubunt?
[21:29] <ccc4> kubunto
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ccc4: live messenger is only better if you like (pardon the language) bloated crapware
[21:29] <potty> is kde 4 stable?
[21:29] <Nitro> I assume apt-get works on kde?
[21:29] <ccc4> IM NOT USED TO KUBNTO OR UBUNTO I  JUST GOT OFF WINDOWS XP
[21:29] <Nitro> ccc4: calm down.
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa there pardner, no need for the caps
[21:30] <maduser> potty: kde4 is uasable
[21:30] <ccc4> lol u lot think im shoutin im not
[21:30] <ccc4> lol
[21:30] <Nitro> Daisuke_Ido: what's the packages manager for kde?
[21:30] <Nitro> adept?
[21:30] <maduser> yes
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Nitro: if you're CLI oriented, you can use apt-get, or adept if you like crashiness :)
[21:30] <ccc4> is jus i feel usless with kubntoo i dnt know any codes
[21:30] <Nitro> no, I mean.
[21:30] <Nitro> I use the command line really often
[21:30] <Nitro> I'm talking about ccc4
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd stick with synaptic for a gui
[21:31] <Nitro> mmm.
[21:31] <Daisuke_Ido> but adept is already there and installed :)
[21:31] <Nitro> well, sudo apt-get install emesene
[21:31] <ccc4> nitro: wha u got ubutno or kubunto
[21:31] <Nitro> neither
[21:31] <ccc4> k ill try it
[21:31] <Nitro> I got Ubuntu.
[21:31] <Nitro> do that.
[21:31] <Nitro> it's good imo.
[21:31] <ccc4> ok thanks
[21:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Nitro: how is it for file transfers?  i know pidgin's a bit slow
[21:31] <hellhound> does anyone know why i cannot change the icon theme in openoffice?
[21:31] <Nitro> Daisuke_Ido: usually that doesn't depend on the software
[21:32] <Nitro> that depends mostly on your tubes and M$ tubes.
[21:32] <ccc4> nitro it says
[21:32] <ccc4> it couldnt find pacake emesene
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> Nitro: it does, though.  the protocol isn't documented for the new versions, making pidgin's implementation quite slow
[21:32] <Nitro> ccc4: in that case, hang on
[21:32] <ccc4> k
[21:32] <Nitro> strange. it should be.
[21:33] <ccc4> im using shell konsole
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's in the repos, i just installed it...  uni/multiverse?
[21:33] <Nitro> yeah.
[21:33] <ccc4> well it says
[21:33] <ccc4> E: Couldn't find package emesene
[21:33] <Nitro> hm.
[21:33] <Nitro> well.
[21:33] <Nitro> that's not a problem, hang on
[21:33] <ccc4> ok
[21:34] <djouallah> adapt can't access the net ?
[21:35] <nainef> anyone ever use PCSX2?
[21:35] <zeeon> this maybe a stupid question but does kubuntu/kde-4 come with a firewall of sorts im trying to download the 32 bit version of kubuntu but im not getting any incomming connections
[21:35] <ccc4> nitro: 1 more question how doo i find my usb lead i cant seem to find it i plucked my ipod in and i dnt find it
[21:36] <Nitro> hmm.
[21:36] <ccc4> help ... :-(
[21:36] <Nitro> is the file storage mode enabled for the ipod?
[21:36] <ccc4> not only for ipod even a normal usb lead dont work
[21:37] <Nitro> ccc4: about emesene, do "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[21:37] <Nitro> without the "
[21:37] <Daisuke_Ido> zeeon: there's a firewall but no rules enabled by default, check your port forwarding
[21:37] <ccc4> there aint the
[21:37] <Nitro> then, add "deb http://apt.emesene.org/ ./" to the bottom of the file
[21:37] <ccc4> ok
[21:37] <Nitro> then, after you've done that and saved
[21:38] <Nitro> do "sudo apt-get update" followed by "sudo apt-get install emesene"
[21:38] <zeeon> Daisuke_Ido: i did its forwarded as i it should in my router...
[21:38] <ccc4> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-chris" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[21:38] <ccc4> Error: "/tmp/kde-chris" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[21:38] <ccc4> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-chris" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[21:38] <Daisuke_Ido> zeeon: no clue then, but unless you've set up firewall rules, that's not what's stopping it
[21:38] <DexterF> ok, seems I got a laptop here with internal RTL8187B via USB, so it doesn't show up in lspci. now - how do I conf thsi thing in 8.04?
[21:39] <Nitro> ccc4: sudo apt-get update isn't working?
[21:39] <zeeon> anyway to find out whats stopping it?
[21:39] <ccc4> nitro the update worked
[21:39] <ccc4> but hte intall didnt
[21:39] <Nitro> :>
[21:39] <Nitro> hmm
[21:39] <Nitro> that's strange
[21:40] <Daisuke_Ido> Nitro: and please, recommend kdesudo instead of sudo for gui apps - reason being that sudo uses root preferences, kdesudo uses the user preferences - especially if editing files in the home directory, using suo can *really* screw up permissions.
[21:40] <ccc4> thanks for your help
[21:40] <Nitro> try "sudo adept install emesene"
[21:40] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo*
[21:40] <Nitro> mkey.
[21:40] <nainef> shouldn't netstat show all connections?
[21:40] <ccc4> dont work
[21:40] <Nitro> :/
[21:40] <Nitro> odd, what's the error?
[21:40] <ccc4> it wont read it dont work
[21:40] <Nitro> won't read?
[21:40] <ccc4> nitro how long u been using kubunto
[21:41] <Nitro> did you do "kdesudo adept install emesene"?
[21:41] <Nitro> ccc4: less than 3 hours.
[21:41] <ccc4> soo u are a pure genius lol
[21:41] <Nitro> ccc4: however, I've been using ubuntu for several years
[21:41] <ccc4> K
[21:41] <Nitro> I can't stand kde
[21:41] <Nitro> :P
[21:41] <ccc4> lol
[21:41] <ccc4> soo do u know python
[21:41] <zeeon> ok got it working now apparently ktorrent is a bit slow to register new settings :)
[21:41] <ccc4> and rubin or java script
[21:42] <ccc4> nitro my friend uses ubunto aswell
[21:42] <Nitro> some very very basic python
[21:42] <Nitro> for instance, print() :--o
[21:42] <ccc4> lol nitro i dnt knoww a thing im learning it
[21:42] <Nitro> :>
[21:42] <Nitro> well, it's strange that it won't install
[21:42] <Nitro> could you pastebin the error you get?
[21:43] <Nitro> www.pastebin.org
 Error: "/tmp/kde-chris" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0
[21:43] <dasp> 1
[21:43] <dasp> проверка связи
[21:43] <ccc4> wha is paste bin ??
[21:44] <dasp> всем привет
[21:44] <Nitro> pastebin is a pin for pasting errors, logs, text, code, cookies you name it.
[21:44] <dasp> недавно перешел на платформу lunix
[21:44] <Nitro> regarding your error, I've never had that problem so I don't know a solution
[21:45] <dasp> и есть вопрос, у меня в вернем углу окон пропали кнопки, закрыть, востановить
[21:45] <Daisuke_Ido> !ru | dasp
[21:45] <ccc4> nitro ok
[21:45] <dasp> !ru
[21:45] <ccc4> nitro where you from?
[21:46] <DexterF> any chance of getting an rtl8197 wifi nic to work in 8.04?
[21:47] <ccc4> Nitro: u there?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> !realtek
[21:47] <dasp> !help
[21:49] <BluesKaj> !ru | dasp
[21:49] <jose> hola
[21:50] <dasp> я просто не знаю как правильно поставить вопрос
[21:50] <jose> hola
[21:51] <jose> quisiera formetear el disco que tenia con windows a ext3 como lo ago
[21:51] <_myrtille_> hola :)
[21:51] <_myrtille_> !es
[21:51] <BluesKaj> dasp, Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[21:55] <raymears> hey, people. i have a non-kubuntu related issue; it's crontab related. can anyone offer me some assistance?
[21:56] <raymears> i have a script in /etc/crontab and it just doesn't get executed. even though it has the right permissions and everything
[21:59] <raymears> oh, screw me. i'm such an idiot:D the permissions weren't right after all. thanks anyways...
[22:06] <ubuntu> I just installed kubuntu to an usb hd. I did not install the bootloader, because I was afraid that it would put it on the internal hd. Now I want to install the boot loader on the first usb hd. How do I do this?
[22:07] <udi> can anyone help me to set up a parallel/local printer as a network printer for WINDOWS machines on my lan?
[22:09] <Plummet> sorry, can't help you udi.  i'm installing linux for the first time (windows native), is there anything i should keep in mind?
[22:09] <JoshOvki> udi: hardy or gutsy?
[22:09] <udi> hardy
[22:10] <udi> should really be called Hardly
[22:10] <Plummet> is hardy heron worse?
[22:10] <jpatrick> !install | Plummet
[22:11] <JoshOvki> just different, im using hardy with kde4 so its very different to do stuff
[22:11] <udi> no-- worst
[22:11] <udi> (at least IMHO)
[22:11] <Plummet> why do you think its so bad
[22:11] <bipolar> Hardy has been much better for me then Gutsy was.
[22:12] <mefisto__> this discussion happens every six months
[22:12] <udi> UPGRADE failed; Installed from the CD-- I am having a lot of problems
[22:12] <udi> for instance-- SAMBA does not seem to work
[22:12] <udi> printer installation takes for ever
[22:12] <udi> Thunderbird does not fire up the browsers when I click on a url
[22:12] <Daisuke_Ido> mefisto__: and i say the same thing every six months - there's always some grumpy people that are extremely vocal about issues that affect a very small subset of users.
[22:12] <udi> etc. etc.
[22:12] <DexterF> did the mirrors just die? can't update anymore
[22:13] <udi> suddenly it decided to switch itself to 640X480.... need I go on?
[22:14] <JoshOvki> udi: seems like your having awfull luck with it
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> udi: so go back to gutsy, it's still supported, you did a clean install from cd anyway, it's not going to kill you.
[22:15] <udi> and every 6 months I find some clever guy who is telling me why I should not point out difficulties which an innocent user discovers through using the systtem as it was meant to be used
[22:16] <mefisto__> DexterF: I doubt they all died. you could try a different mirror
[22:16] <udi> I made a backup of my HOME directory, so all the setup files are available, and I am still having a lot of trouble
[22:17] <mefisto__> udi: maybe that's the problem? have you tried creating a new user and logging in with that?
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> all the "setup files"?
[22:20] <Daisuke_Ido> udi: settings?
[22:21] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you changed usernames when you did a new install, that shouldn't have been a problem to keep those
[22:21] <udi> Settings for what?
[22:22] <udi> Mefisto-- I did not blindly copy old conf files into new directories
[22:22] <Daisuke_Ido> you mentioned setup files, were you talking about program settings and such?
[22:22] <udi> in fact, I installed twice (reformatting the disk in between) because the first CD installation was so bad
[22:23] <udi> I am not even using the bleeding edge KDE4
[22:23] <udi> just the rock solid KDE3.something
[22:24] <mefisto__> udi: it's just a suggestion. It's easy to try. If a new user/home dir doesn't have the same problems, you'll know it's a problem somewhere in the user config
[22:24] <JoshOvki> loads like a major case of EBKAC to me
[22:24] <cosmo> nice, had a transformer blow in my area
[22:24] <neXyon> hello
[22:25] <udi> just as an example: "The user management tool could not be loaded"...
[22:25]  * Daisuke_Ido shrugs
[22:26] <JoshOvki> definutaly a EBKAC
[22:26] <hexidigital> Hello everyone
[22:26] <mefisto__> what's EBKAC?
[22:26] <JoshOvki> error between keyboard and chair :D
[22:26] <spanther> JoshOvki: lol
[22:26] <hexidigital> JoshOvki:  I occasionally experience the "ID10T" error
[22:26] <Daisuke_Ido> if basic fundamental parts of his install aren't working at all, i can't put the blame entirely on Hardy
[22:26] <JoshOvki> hexidigital: dont we all
[22:27] <hexidigital> :)
[22:27] <Daisuke_Ido> something was done somewhere to something.
[22:27] <JoshOvki> ah well, they hav gone now
[22:27] <zeeon> I am looking to install an ftp server with ssl on my desktop computer any suggestions to an easy to use ssl ftp server?
[22:27] <fiyawerx> zeeon, vsftp?
[22:28] <jarle> Could anybody help me with a default sources.list for Kubuntu 8.04 64bit?
[22:28] <hexidigital> zeeon:  proftpd is decent, imo
[22:28] <notsomeonesnick> can someone tell me how to change my video driver?
[22:28] <hexidigital> notsomeonesnick:  you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf , or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[22:29] <zeeon> i've  tried one once which utilises the user in  the system
[22:29] <hexidigital> notsomeonesnick:  both assume you have the proper driver available
[22:29] <zeeon> users*
[22:29] <spanther> hexidigital: idiot error nice thing it is *g*
[22:29] <notsomeonesnick> hexidigital: yeah i just had to reinstall kubuntu and forgot how i made all the changes needed
[22:29] <hexidigital> spanther:  i'm a constant victim ;)
[22:30] <hexidigital> notsomeonesnick:  ah.. then the latter should suffice
[22:30] <zeeon> hexidigital and fiyawerx thanks i'll look into them
[22:30] <spanther> hexidigital: lol :P
[22:40] <notsomeonesnick> hexidigital: is there another way to edit this file?
[22:41] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:41] <_Angelus_> could someone help me?
[22:41] <notsomeonesnick> isn't there a walkthrough or something that will let me select what i want to in xorg.conf?
[22:41] <_Angelus_> im gonna burn some data to a dvd
[22:41] <_Angelus_> and i dont want to close the session
[22:41] <kaminix> Preparing to replace kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7 (using .../kdelibs4c2a_4%3a3.5.9-0ubuntu7.1_i386.deb) ...     <--- what's new?
[22:41] <_Angelus_> what do i do ?
[22:42] <notsomeonesnick> _Angelus_: I think in k3b before you burn its in the options..
[22:43] <liveoutloud2day> #ubuntu-support
[22:46] <aos101> kaminix: Looks like a security fix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/
[22:46] <kaminix> Thanks aos101 :)
[22:46] <kaminix> Tried aptitude changelog but got nothing :s
[22:47] <venik>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <landa0>
[22:47] <Odd-rationale> venik: heh thanks!
[22:47] <kaminix> Wah, I really like the codename Intrepid Ibex :)
[22:48] <aos101> kaminix: Yeah I get that sometimes.  The changelog just doesn't load.
[22:49] <venik> can anyone guide me through installing my local parallel printer as a network printer for the WINDOWS machines on my LAN?
[22:49] <kkathman> kaminix:  isnt an ibex like a mountain goat?
[22:50] <kaminix> kkathman: It is according to Wikipedia. I've also looked up intrepid but forgot what it meant. Still, the name is cool :p
[22:50] <TopicFascist> way too long
[22:50] <venik> I think I did it correctly, but the WINDOWS machine does not see that printer
[22:52] <mefisto__> TopicFascist: what? the topic?
[22:53] <TopicFascist> no, intrepid
[22:55] <kaminix> TopicFascist: Intrepid Ibex(12)  Gutsy Gibbon(11) :p
[22:55] <TopicFascist> Intrepid (8) gutsy (5)
[22:55] <kaminix> Meh, it's still easy to say :)
[22:56] <mefisto__> if you count the syllables, intrepid is breaking a tradition
[22:57] <kaminix> It is?
[22:57] <kaminix> Hm, it is. :o
[22:57] <mefisto__> 2 syllables each
[22:57] <kaminix> Yeah, I got thinking. :) Took a while to remember anything but hardy and gutsy :p
[22:58] <mefisto__> so it better be a good release!
[22:58] <kaminix> mefisto__: It will be as usefull as an extra syllable!
[23:02] <nimrod> hello
[23:12] <Plummet> 5 minutes left on my kubuntu 8.04  download :) i am excited
[23:17] <nimrod> 8.04 doesn't work for me
[23:18] <mefisto__> what's wrong, nimrod
[23:19] <woddf2> Hello
[23:19] <the__doctor__> hello....has anyone ever done a remote connection to a windows 2003 server machine in kubuntu?
[23:19] <woddf2> In 8.04 LTS Hardy Heron, how do I install KDE 4?
[23:19] <nimrod> i dunno
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> woddf2: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:20] <woddf2> Thanks
[23:40] <mike-kubuntu> hey, i have some questions about kicker in kde4
[23:41] <mike-kubuntu> is there a way to disable it or get it to hide or get windows to overlap it? i'm trying to use avant-window-manager in kde 4 but i cant get kicker to go away, it seems like you can do everything kicker does through desktop widgits as well which would also be cool
[23:43] <mefisto__> !kde4
[23:44] <nosrednaekim> !mono
[23:45] <mefisto__> I can't access my home dir. can't get a file list in konqueror or konsole
[23:46] <mike-kubuntu> mefisto__: thanks!
[23:48] <Choreboy> How can I install Firefox 3b5? I installed via adept on another system (was in repository) but I can't find it available anymore.
[23:49] <_Angelus_> guys
[23:49] <_Angelus_> will Gnome program work well with the "Mac OS X Toolbar" in kde?
[23:50] <BonesolTeraDyne> _Angelus_: The "Mac OS X Toolbar"? I doubt it. I think that's for KDE apps only. I mean, I know SeaMonkey doesn't work with it.
[23:51] <_Angelus_> aMSN doesn't work with it neither
[23:51] <_Angelus_> but i tought thats because aMSN is TCL/Tk
[23:51] <_Angelus_> i tought GTK apps would work
[23:52] <BonesolTeraDyne> I just tried it with SeaMonkey, and it didn't work.
[23:53] <_Angelus_> too bad :(
[23:54] <mike-kubuntu> anyone know how to add launchers to avant window navagator, i'm trying to do it through the configuration thing, but it never opens any dialoge box when i click "add launcher"
[23:55] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: #awn
[23:56] <mefisto__> mike-kubuntu: don't know for sure, but I think that config thing is a separate program you have to install
[23:57] <mefisto__> mike-kubuntu: awn-manager
[23:58] <mike-kubuntu> thanks
[23:58] <firecrotch> mike-kubuntu, mefisto__: awn-manager, last I recall, is severely crippled in Kubuntu unless GNOME is also installed
[23:58] <mike-kubuntu> firecrotch: thanks, sounds like its probably it
[23:59] <firecrotch> mike-kubuntu:  Last time I bothered to try using it, I installed GNOME and it worked just fine though
[23:59] <mefisto__> I have xfce installed too, so maybe I didn't notice anything because of that. But I don't really use awn, just wanted to try it out


[06:38] <mborzecki> morning
[06:58] <mardy> hi!
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#11346 opened: cmd/snap: rename the verbose logging flag in snap run <Simple 😃> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11346>
[09:50] <mup> PR snapd#11086 closed: cmd/snap: close refresh notifications after trying to run a snap while inhibited <refresh app awareness> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11086>
[10:31] <zyga-mbp> good morning
[11:13] <mardy> zyga-mbp: hi!
[11:46] <zyga-mbp> hey :)
[11:46] <zyga-mbp> fosdem is up tomorrow
[11:46] <zyga-mbp> check out the schedule
[11:46] <zyga-mbp> lots of interesting talks
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#11333 closed: gadget/install: rm unused support for writing non-filesystem structures <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11333>
[12:41] <mup> PR snapd#11347 opened: 20.0 <Created by eliekh05> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11347>
[12:42] <mup> PR snapcraft#3632 opened: 20.00 <Created by eliekh05> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3632>
[13:42] <arsenique> zyga, miguelpires and ijohnson[m] - folks i hope this is last that time i bother u on this matter; i suggested a solution for vscode debate; please look at it and provide your opinion, pls
[13:50] <zyga[m]> arsenique: I'll have a look later today, I'm preparing for FOSDEM tomorrow
[13:50] <arsenique> zyga thank you.
[14:01] <mup> PR snapd#11348 opened: tets: increase nested disk size on classic images <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11348>
[14:46] <mup> PR snapd#11349 opened: Add explicit WSL detection to is_container_with_internal_policy <Created by cerebrate> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11349>
[14:51] <mup> PR snapd#11332 closed: gadget/install/partition.go: include DiskIndex in synthesized OnDiskStructure <Simple 😃> <Bug> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11332>
[16:12] <mup> PR snapd#11350 opened: devicestate: wait for NTP sync before trying to get a serial assertion <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11350>
[16:17] <mup> PR snapd#11314 closed: systemd: batched operations <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11314>
[16:27] <mup> PR snapd#11334 closed: gadget/install: add unit tests for makeFilesystem, allow mocking mkfs.Make() <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11334>
[16:32] <mup> PR snapd#11347 closed: 20.0 <⛔ Blocked> <Created by eliekh05> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11347>
[18:22] <mup> PR snapd#11351 opened: tests/nested/manual/remodel-cross-store,remodel-simple: wait for serial <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11351>
[18:23] <mborzecki> ijohnson: trivial PR https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11351
[18:23] <mup> PR #11351: tests/nested/manual/remodel-cross-store,remodel-simple: wait for serial <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11351>
[18:25] <ijohnson[m]> +1
[18:26] <mborzecki> thanks!
[22:48] <mup> PR snapd#11344 closed: cmd/snap/auto-import: use osutil.LoadMountInfo impl instead <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11344>


[05:02] <mborzecki> morning
[07:06] <pstolowski> morning
[07:07] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:09] <zyga-mbp> good morning guys :)
[07:12] <mvo> good morning zyga-mbp !
[07:12]  * zyga-mbp is semi-trapped in the forest today
[07:13] <zyga-mbp> the main road out is closed by lumberjacks and we're not sure our car can go through the service roads
[07:15] <amurray> zyga-mbp: I am very envious of your working environment :) I am just in my house in the suburbs... forest sounds awesome 🌲
[07:16] <zyga-mbp> amurray I went out for an early-morning walk and it's lovely
[07:17] <amurray> nice
[07:18] <zyga-mbp> amurray (terrible colors, reality was less contrasty) https://twitter.com/zygoon/status/1437314457567387648
[07:24] <amurray> oooh pretty
[07:26] <zyga-mbp> there's also a lake but I won't mention that ;)
[07:32] <pstolowski> zyga-mbp: cruel ;)
[07:38] <mup> PR snapd#10770 opened: systemd: use text.template to generate mount unit <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10770>
[07:52] <mardy> hi all :-)
[07:53] <zyga-mbp> @mvo small PR for spread, https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/134
[07:53] <mup> PR spread#134: Use greedy regex for $(HOST: ) <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/134>
[07:53] <mardy> zyga-mbp: we also went in the woods on Saturday, founds quite a few mushrooms -- though we went late, so the best ones had already been collected, it seemed
[07:54] <zyga-mbp> I found a few during my morning walk but I left them intact
[07:54] <zyga-mbp> the woods should be full of shrooms soon, it's still warm and it rained recently
[07:54] <zyga-mbp> too bad I'm at work :P
[07:55] <mvo> zyga-mbp: oh, thanks for this PR!
[07:55] <pstolowski> zyga-mbp: zelda-style gathetring time? ;)
[07:55] <pstolowski> hey mardy
[07:56] <zyga-mbp> pstolowski less chu-chu jellies and chests ;)
[07:56] <zyga-mbp> I've been using that locally but please double check if it makes sense to your eyes
[07:56] <zyga-mbp> I didn't do any tests, just a quick change & shared it quickly not to forget
[07:58] <mardy> tests are left to the reader ;-)
[07:59] <zyga-mbp> I would not tell *that* to mvo
[07:59] <zyga-mbp> but spread has remarkably few tests
[08:06] <mup> Bug #1943419 opened: LXD snap auto refresh stuck at copy snap data phase for 16+ hours without making progress <sts> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943419>
[08:28] <mvo> zyga-mbp: I quickly looked at the PR, if you could add an example how you noticed it and a "before/after" the change that would be lovely, then I can write a test for you
[08:28] <zyga-mbp> yeah, I can even write the test but I didn't get to it yet, it's something I bumped into yesterday
[08:28] <zyga-mbp> the example was $(HOST: $(echo example))
[08:29] <zyga-mbp> or maybe
[08:29] <zyga-mbp> the example was $(HOST: $(echo example)-foo)
[08:29] <zyga-mbp> anyway, I'll update it with unit tests
[08:29] <mvo> zyga-mbp: cool, that is all I need
[08:29] <zyga-mbp> the real code was in libzt test suite, I've updated it to support local snap store proxy for caching
[08:30] <zyga-mbp> and I've used quite a bit of HOST variables for that
[08:30] <zyga-mbp> I can paste the real thing but the point is that the old spread stopped at the first right ")"
[08:30] <zyga-mbp> so $(HOST: ...) could never have ) insdie
[08:30] <zyga-mbp> *inside
[08:39] <mardy> reviews *very* welcome on this, as I plan to add more tests based on this new EnsureAtLeast() method: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10748
[08:39] <mup> PR #10748: systemd: add AtLeast() method, add mocking in systemdtest <Squash-merge> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10748>
[08:48] <mborzecki> re
[08:48] <zyga-mbp> hey mborzecki
[08:49] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: hey
[08:53] <mvo> mardy: sure, done
[09:21] <mborzecki> anyone running debian sid or kali? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-apps-not-running-in-kali-linux/26542 i think it's what mvo mentioned that we need to enable snapd.apparmor.service on that distro
[09:32] <mvo> mborzecki: I did upload a new snapd that enables that late last week, I wonder if the user has the latest version from sid
[09:36] <mborzecki> mvo: they're running kali which i think pulls in packages from sid?
[09:37] <mvo> mborzecki: if so, maybe they can just test the sid package?
[09:37] <mborzecki> mvo: asked them about package version, let's see what they come back with
[10:00] <mardy> mvo: thanks, I added the test. Now I need one more +1 from someone else :-)
[10:03] <mup> PR snapd#10738 closed: o/hookstate/ctlcmd: Implement snapctl refresh --show-lock command <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10738>
[10:04] <pstolowski> mardy: i made a remark there about adding a test for EnsureAtLeast
[10:21] <mardy> pstolowski: mmm... I don't see your comment. But indeed, I'll add a test
[10:22] <pstolowski> mardy: oh dang, it was still pending, I didn't click submit last week
[10:22] <pstolowski> you should see it now
[10:28] <mardy> yep, thanks
[10:55] <mborzecki> hm fun with selinux, caps and bpf :/
[11:13] <mup> Bug #1943419 changed: LXD snap auto refresh stuck at copy snap data phase for 16+ hours without making progress <sts> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943419>
[11:16] <mup> Bug #1943419 opened: LXD snap auto refresh stuck at copy snap data phase for 16+ hours without making progress <sts> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943419>
[11:19] <mup> Bug #1943419 changed: LXD snap auto refresh stuck at copy snap data phase for 16+ hours without making progress <sts> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943419>
[11:29] <mborzecki> mvo: what shall we do about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10540 ?
[11:29] <mup> PR #10540: cmd/snap-confine: handle CURRENT_TAGS on systems that support it <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10540>
[11:31] <mup> Bug #1943419 opened: LXD snap auto refresh stuck at copy snap data phase for 16+ hours without making progress <sts> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943419>
[11:34] <mup> Bug #1943419 changed: LXD snap auto refresh stuck at copy snap data phase for 16+ hours without making progress <sts> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943419>
[11:35] <mvo> mborzecki: I think merge - it has a +1 from security and we evaludated the alternatives so dlopen() it is it seems
[11:39] <mborzecki> ok
[11:48] <mborzecki> mvo: pushed one more tweak for a test failing on 14.04 and then we should be ready to land it
[12:57] <mvo> mborzecki: nice
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#10770 closed: systemd: use text.template to generate mount unit <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10770>
[13:49] <mup> PR snapd#10771 opened: DRAFT: Tests reproduce uc20 boot error <Precious Logs> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10771>
[13:51] <mardy> miguelpires: hi! About 10767, other possibilities are "Finished", "Processed", "Completed"... Though I'm fine even with Stopped.
[13:52] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10661 ? the tests are looking good, so if they are green we can probably land it, or wait for pedronis?
[13:52] <mup> PR #10661: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: device cgroup v2 support <Complex> <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10661>
[13:53] <mvo> mborzecki: I would say land it, it has no needs-samuele-review and it was carefully reviewed by the team/security
[13:55] <miguelpires> mardy wanted to avoid implying that the work was actually completed since it may not have been (in the case of Error, Undone and Hold) and Stopped met that criteria I think
[14:36] <mborzecki> mvo: i think i got it now in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10754, let's land it once it's gree and unblock builds in LP
[14:36] <mup> PR #10754: packaging, tests/lib/prepare-restore: build packages without network access, fix building debs with go modules <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10754>
[14:41] <mvo> mborzecki: nice
[14:41] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks so much for working on this! did you see https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10754/files#r705436649 btw?
[14:41] <mup> PR #10754: packaging, tests/lib/prepare-restore: build packages without network access, fix building debs with go modules <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10754>
[14:42] <mborzecki> mvo: heh, missed that, i can push a patch on top, or a followup
[14:43] <mvo> mborzecki: maybe on top is ok, ian had some similar commments afaict
[14:43] <mvo> mborzecki: and 1 more hour for the spread run is probably not too terrible at this point
[14:43] <mborzecki> ok
[14:49] <mborzecki> mvo: ok, updated and managed to cancel the previous run
[14:55] <mvo> mborzecki: ta
[15:34] <mup> PR snapd#10748 closed: systemd: add AtLeast() method, add mocking in systemdtest <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10748>
[15:38] <mvo> mborzecki: 10661 looks mostly fine, I guess that is ready for merge once spread ran?
[15:40] <mborzecki> mvo: yeah, i think so
[15:40] <mborzecki> mardy you gave thumbs down previously, can you take a look again?
[15:42]  * cachio afk
[15:42] <cachio> lunch
[15:45] <mvo> mborzecki: nice job, things are coming together it seems :)
[16:04] <ijohnson[m]> @bboozoo one question on 10661 about the security
[16:04] <ijohnson[m]> err
[16:04] <ijohnson[m]> @bboozzoo ^
[16:31] <mborzecki> ijohnson: replied, makes sense? there's CAP_BPF which in theory can separate bpf operatiosn from CAP_SYS_ADMIN, also selinux can mediate respective operations (map_create, read, write etc.)
[16:32]  * ijohnson[m] looks
[21:44]  * cachio afk


[00:02] <jbicha> gconf works mostly (assuming you aren't trying to read desktop settings which switched to gsettings years ago) but is unmaintained
[14:30] <ogra_> hmm
[14:30] <ogra_> dpkg -S<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:30] <ogra_> wireless-regdb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:36] <yellabs-r2> hi there
[15:38] <yellabs-r2> is libGL.so broken ? or something changed , i use MU editor for micro python programming , it stopped working after update ( 16.04 LTS )
[15:38] <yellabs-r2> any tips or clue's are welcome
[15:38] <yellabs-r2> ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmGetDevices2
[15:39] <yellabs-r2> there are several people that have the same issue, but no solution found yet
[15:40] <yellabs-r2> if it rings a bell with someone , that would be nice , if not.. i will go around the problem ( not using mu )
[15:43] <bdrung> cpaelzer, hi. will you merge iproute2 4.14.1-2 to Ubuntu?
[15:48] <yellabs-r2> undefined symbol: drmGetDevices2
[16:01] <yellabs-r2> thanks for you time, have a nice day
[18:01] <NickTux> Hello, can someone point me to the right direction on how to fix this build error ? https://is.gd/H4KYHJ
[23:09] <valorie> hi folks, searching the CVE db I don't see https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-12379 mentioned at all
[23:10] <valorie> what is the proper way to file a bug about this?
[23:11] <valorie> the KDE sysadmins want to apply the ubuntu fix but are not finding it
[23:14] <valorie> The requested URL /~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-12379.html was not found on this server.