[04:49] <j1mc> FYI, all: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-September/015240.html
[04:49] <j1mc> just thought I'd share that.
[04:50] <j1mc> I would give you his first name if I knew it!  He may be hanging out around here, anyway.


[00:15] <xnox> realtime-neil:  netcfg is not at all used on firstboot.
[00:15] <xnox> realtime-neil:  specify netplan.io yaml file to do that on firstboot? cause you can write out /target/etc/netplan/*.yaml that has wind-card matching and does dhcp on all the things?
[00:15] <xnox> (with either netowrkd, or network-manager, as desired)
[00:16] <xnox> or like install oem-config in target (with a debconf, gtk, or kde frontend) to do firstboot stuff there?
[00:16] <realtime-neil> xnox: now that's a thought; could I do that from the preseed late-command, into the chroot?
[00:17] <xnox> yeah, you should have /target available to copy things to it, echo /cat <<EOF, cp, or like in-target echo ....
[00:18] <realtime-neil> xnox: sweet; I'll harvest the /etc/netplan/*.yaml from a regular dhcp install and drop it as payload in the preseed late-command
[00:20] <realtime-neil> does Bionic have netplan or something else?
[00:23] <xnox> realtime-neil:  bionic has netplan.io, but i can't remember if it already was installed by default there.
[00:23] <xnox> yes, it is always installed. it is in task minimal in bionic.
[00:24] <xnox> realtime-neil:  or write one from scratch..... https://netplan.io/examples/ it's not hard. You probably will want to like match on en* and match on eth*
[00:25] <xnox> whatever is easiest for you
[00:25] <realtime-neil> xnox: excellent, that'll work; thanks
[00:30] <realtime-neil> what's this bit I'm seeing about "network manager"? It looks like the Bionic installer dropped a `/etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml` that defers everything to a renderer: NetworkManager
[00:30] <xnox> realtime-neil:  it did not drop it.
[00:30] <xnox> realtime-neil:  it's only installed by desktop installer, on desktop systems.... if you ever used a desktop installer.....
[00:31] <realtime-neil> xnox: so that's something I did when I brought in ubuntu-desktop.
[00:31] <xnox> i'd say it's something you haven't done yet
[00:32] <xnox> by default, no netplan config is created at all.
[00:33] <xnox> it's upto the installer to make one. on server typically a networkd one is created; on desktop typically a "defer all things to network-manager" is done + NM config copied from live environment if any; or like cloud-init creates one based on a metadata source; and so on.
[00:34] <realtime-neil> got it


[00:01] <Daviey> smoser: it's seeded in server
[00:01] <Daviey> blame Keybuk.
[00:04] <SpamapS> not Canada?
[00:09] <zul> SpamapS: too easy to
[00:12] <adam_g> zul:  ping
[00:13] <zul> adam_g: what up?
[00:15] <adam_g> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/836922 thoughts on cherrypicking this? it will make maintaining a single charm to deploy different swift versions a bit easier. https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/836922
[00:16] <zul> adam_g: i dont have a problem with it
[00:17] <adam_g> zul: ok. ill look to see if the charm can be modified to be compat with both sets of return codes first.
[00:17] <zul> adam_g: i can probably pull it in tomorrow though
[00:18] <zul> im about to go off line
[00:22] <adam_g> zul: ok, dont worry about it for now i guess. ill let you know. cya
[00:23] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: did you have a chance to investigate bug 827496?
[01:16] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey my tests they dobaffect so.i would probably mark.that bug invalid but i need to test a bit more cause we use kickstar meta data in.daily basis without issues
[02:20] <ziesemer> Anyone have any quick suggestions for finding the endpoints using the most traffic on an Ubuntu server being used as a SOHO router?  I like the look of iftop, but it only seems to be able to listen on one interface - and as such, always shows the interface as one of the endpoints.
[02:52] <ruben23> hi guys anyone made a successfull install of eaccelerator for php on ubuntu server 10.04 LTS
[04:54] <Gasseus> Umm... I'm having difficulty getting apache to execute my php files...
[04:54] <twb> That's a feature.
[04:55] <Gasseus> Its pushing the php files as a download instead of running them.
[05:02] <malakhi> Gasseus: is mod_php activated?
[05:03] <Gasseus> malakhi yep
[05:08] <malakhi> Gasseus: make sure that Apache is using the right MIME type for php, and that the Apache config for the site that you're setting up allows php scripts to run.
[06:26] <Daviey> Gasseus: Can you try clearing your browser cache, i've seen it happen that people get that before installing  / enabling php, then the .php file is cached by the browser.
[06:26] <Daviey> Failing that, have you turned it off and on again? :)
[06:40] <ikonia> Daviey: think I may have almost got the docecot bug fixed, can't do anything with it for a few hours due to being on a clients site, but I should have a more realistic update later today
[06:40] <ikonia> dovecot
[06:48] <Daviey> ikonia: awesome!
[07:26] <Peetz0r> Hi, I use sslh to run ssh and https over port 443. Connecting to ssh over 443 takes way longer than over port 22. Can this be fixed, and how?
[08:05] <jamespage> morning all
[09:18] <rbasak> jamespage: surely the bug is that root is mounted read-only?
[09:19] <jamespage> rbasak, hmm - not so sure
[09:19]  * rbasak fires up his panda
[09:20] <jamespage> that might be something todo with how libvirt/nova/lxc work together
[09:20]  * jamespage admits he's not expert
[09:21] <Daviey> jamespage: please don't tarnish your brand.
[09:23] <Daviey> jamespage: so that bug seems to be because of:
[09:23] <Daviey> -    chown -R nova:root /var/lib/nova/ /var/log/nova/ /etc/nova/nova.conf
[09:23] <Daviey> +    chown -R nova:nova /var/lib/nova/ /var/log/nova/ /etc/nova/nova.conf
[09:23] <jamespage> agreed - that landed last night
[09:24] <Daviey> Yeah, not sure why that doesn't work
[09:24] <jamespage> it needs to accomodate running lxc filesystems
[09:24] <jamespage> and exclude them
[09:24] <rbasak> So your root filesystem is definitely mounted rw?
[09:24] <jamespage> just trying to figure that out now
[09:25] <rbasak> I see /dev/sda1 /boot ext2 rw,relatime,errors=continue 0 0 in my cobbler-installed /proc/mounts
[09:25] <Daviey> hmm, is it enough to just || true ?
[09:26] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/698389/
[09:27] <jamespage> rootfs is owned by root
[09:27] <jamespage> and should probably stay that way
[09:28] <jamespage> hmm - not sure that postinst works that well on upgrades
[09:28] <jamespage> it does not change the default group for nova -> nova
[09:29] <jamespage> so files still get created with nogroup and group owner
[09:30] <jamespage> hmm - I just ran that chmod once I fixed the upgrade
[09:30] <jamespage> it just changed all of the permissions in my rootfs as well
[09:30] <jamespage> yikes
[09:32] <rbasak> OK I'm lost now, I'm not sure I understand the problem
[09:32] <jamespage> rbasak, hmm - that is odd
[09:32] <jamespage> I don't think the issue was that my root filesystem was read-only
[09:32] <jamespage> I just downloaded and unpacked a load of packages
[09:33] <rbasak> Could an error have caused it to go read-only?
[09:33] <rbasak> dmesg?
[09:34] <jamespage> rbasak, well its still read write - I've not rebooted
[09:34] <rbasak> Can you write to it?
[09:34] <jamespage> /dev/mapper/winehouse-root on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:34] <jamespage> yes
[09:35] <rbasak> OK, I'm lost then :)
[09:35] <jamespage> once completed the nova upgrade manually spun up another lxc instance just fine
[09:41] <jamespage> rbasak, OK - so it looks like on the of qemu-nbd mounted filesystems went read-only
[09:41] <jamespage> I can see that in the syslog from around 0600 this morning
[09:41] <jamespage> which caused the upgrade to bork
[09:42] <Daviey> jamespage: ah, could be a remount=ro issue?
[09:42] <Daviey> sdhc card errored?
[09:42] <jamespage> Daviey: yes
[09:42] <jamespage> running off SATA USB disk
[09:42] <jamespage> and only one of three that where mounted so odd
[09:43] <jamespage> the postinst is still *wrong* tho - it should not change the permissions in the filesystem mount on rootfs
[09:43] <jamespage> thats within the lxc instance
[09:48] <jamespage> gah - now nova-compute is borked an won't start
[09:53] <Daviey> eek
[09:53] <Daviey> jamespage: yeah, so lxc needs special-casing. Nice.
[09:54] <jamespage> yep
[09:54] <jamespage> bug report updated
[09:54] <jamespage> thanks for going ro filesystem - I would not have spotted that otherwise
[09:56] <jamespage> Daviey: is 'find' allowed in maintainer scripts?
[09:56] <jamespage> that would make it easy
[10:00] <Daviey> jamespage: there is history of it.
[10:02] <Daviey> jamespage: see gconf package, for example
[10:34] <vagy> hi
[10:35] <vagy> i've a question: i connect via ssh on a 10.04 system ... is it possible to monitor whatever messages the kernel or daemons generate by monitoring some tty device?
[10:48] <TeTeT> vagy: you would need to change (r)syslogs configuration
[10:49] <TeTeT> vagy: man rsyslog.conf might contain some useful information for your undertaking
[10:49] <TeTeT> vagy: in general I think an easier approach is to use byobu on the server and simply tail -f the relevant log files
[10:52] <vagy> TeTeT: thanx...at the moment i try to debug starting/stopping vmware vms, so i need to see whatever messages are produced by the daemons involved
[10:52] <TeTeT> vagy: maybe it's in /var/log/daemon.log
[10:53] <vagy> TeTeT: didn't know about byobu, i'll check it out
[10:53] <TeTeT> vagy: it's an enhancement for screen, if you're familiar with that tool - multiple consoles in one text window
[10:58] <PleXs> how can i change my keyb layout?
[11:04] <TeTeT> PleXs: I'd try sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup if you have no GUI
[11:08] <PleXs> I don't get the option to change keyboard layout there
[11:09] <PleXs> TeTeT, it only changes te looks of the console
[11:12] <TeTeT> PleXs: hmm, what Ubuntu version are you using? On Lucid the first screen I get for console-setup asks for the keyboard model
[11:13] <PleXs> TeTeT, latest version 11.04
[11:14] <TeTeT> PleXs: I don't have 11.04 running right now, but google pointed me to: http://igrudge.net/keyboard-layout-ubuntu-server-11-04/
[11:20] <PleXs> TeTeT, lol now it can't find the symbols :)
[11:20] <PleXs> never mind reinstall with the right keyboard :)
[11:43] <PleXs> isn't ssh standard installed with ubuntu server ?
[11:47] <qman__> PleXs, no
[11:47] <qman__> by default, ubuntu server has no listening services
[12:51] <hallyn> adam_g: bug 833891 for me is fixed with the posted debdiffs.  you had seen that bug too right?
[12:55] <smoser> hallyn, thats great digging
[12:59] <Daviey> hallyn: +  if (daemonize)
[12:59] <Daviey> +	  exit(0);
[12:59] <Daviey> Is that right?
[13:03] <lynxman> morning everyone o/
[13:05] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: bug #827496 is really invalid
[13:06] <smoser> hallyn, and i'm confused.
[13:06] <smoser> just looing at your patch, i dont see how / where it does a daemonize.
[13:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: as I always said/thought it was xD
[13:07] <smoser> oh. i see, it forks always.
[13:07] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: awesome :)
[13:08] <smoser> jamespage, i commented on mp at https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/nova/fix-lxc-and-primary-group/+merge/77308
[13:08] <jamespage> smoser: looking
[13:10] <jamespage> smoser: nice feedback - agree and amending now
[13:12] <smoser> thank you for testing, jamespage to find this.
[13:14] <rbasak> Who was working on live migrations on nova?
[13:16] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: could you point me again to the pastebins you had for the arm provisiioning?
[13:16] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: the preseed and your script to partition the sd card
[13:16] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, http://pad.ubuntu.com/arm-server-netboot
[13:16] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: cool thanks
[13:16] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, np - any questions give me a shout
[13:19] <jamespage> smoser: updated and pushed
[13:23] <smoser> jamespage, looks like you mixed space and tab
[13:23] <smoser> :-(
[13:23]  * jamespage shouts loundly at himself
[13:23] <jamespage> or even loudly
[13:24] <smoser> that is pretty awesome failure though.
[13:24] <hallyn> Daviey: yes, it has already forked and the child will continue with its exec of vgscan
[13:25] <smoser> chowning a root filesystem to ownership of a uid:gid not likely even *in* the chroot.
[13:25] <jamespage> \o/
[13:25] <jamespage> I enjoyed it!
[13:26] <Daviey> hallyn: ah! :)
[13:27] <jamespage> smoser: updated without tabs
[13:27] <smoser> jamespage, ok.
[13:27] <smoser> one other thing
[13:27] <smoser> i just verified what i had thought
[13:27] <hallyn> Daviey: back in about 30 mins
[13:27] <smoser> i'm looking at marula
[13:27] <Daviey> hallyn: have fun!
[13:28] <smoser> find /var/lib/nova/ \! -user nova
[13:29] <smoser> shows that some files are owned by libvirt-qemu and 'kvm' group
[13:29] <smoser> i had thought that libvirt did that, but other files down that directory are owned by nova
[13:29] <smoser> (perhaps the libvirt-qemu owned ones are the new ones)
[13:29] <Daviey> smoser: nova-compute does chown some files.
[13:30] <smoser> right. thats what we're looking at...
[13:30] <smoser> on install
[13:30] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/nova/fix-lxc-and-primary-group/+merge/77308
[13:30] <smoser> take a look at marula if you want.
[13:31] <lynxman> jamespage: don't shout at yourself, you're too nice for that
[13:32] <smoser> i'd like to understand what the "correct" permission for those files is
[13:32] <smoser> my experience is that files created by libvirt are owned by libvirt and then on destroy it puts ownership back
[13:33] <smoser> libvirtd runs as root, so in any battle over ownership, it can do what it wants.
[13:33] <smoser> but i dont know that we should just go changing it.
[13:33] <smoser> on an upgrade.
[13:37] <smoser> jamespage, ^
[13:39] <jamespage> smoser: hmmm
[13:39] <jamespage> probably not
[13:39] <smoser> i'm pretty sure we need to not chown . at very least its rude to libvirtd.
[13:40] <smoser> i'm not sure why that chown is thre.
[13:41] <smoser> soren, ^ it seems you at least brought 'chown -R' forward from maverick
[13:43] <jamespage> I think those permissions would be good for lxc instances (looking at what running a new one does)
[13:43] <jamespage> but prob not kvm
[13:43] <smoser> so why are we changing on upgrade?
[13:44] <smoser> i can moderately understand the fresh install case, where there was stuff there for one reason or another from before.
[13:44] <smoser> maybe it makes sense to only do that on first install and not on subsequent.
[13:45] <smoser> other than the case that we're fixing 'nogroup' and we can specially fix that.
[13:50] <jamespage> smoser: interestingly it used to set a root group ownership
[13:50] <smoser> yeah.
[13:51] <smoser> i'm sorry i made a mess of this jamespage
[13:51] <smoser> it started out so easy
[13:51] <smoser> but i really dont know why we'd do that on upgrade.
[13:51] <smoser> it can really only break things.
[13:51] <jamespage> I was working on the 'someone who has more knowledge of why this is done' had implemented that prior to lxc
[13:52] <smoser> yeah.
[13:52] <jamespage> and we just needed to tweak to exclude the rootfs firs
[13:52] <jamespage> dirs
[13:52] <smoser> which make sense.
[13:52] <smoser> but i think now, it is "someone did this, and nothing bad blew up"
[13:52] <jamespage> yes - but I will admit it is a little blind
[13:53] <jamespage> smoser: might just be that
[13:53] <smoser> jamespage, can you confirm this, and i'll open a bug:
[13:53] <smoser>  * apt-get install nova-compute-lxc
[13:53] <smoser>  * sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:53] <smoser>  * be told your nova.conf has changed
[13:54] <smoser> your upgrade log indicates that.
[13:54] <jamespage> smoser: thats because I'm running over two nodes - so I have changed the nova.conf
[13:54] <jamespage> one half on a panda and the other on a laptop
[13:54] <jamespage> panda can't run its all
[13:54] <smoser> hm.. i thought that nova-compute-lxc did it
[13:55] <jamespage> I've not seen that
[13:58] <smoser> ok. it seems sane. i had thought that nova-compute-lxc was modifying on install. but it just lays down its own nova-compute.conf
[13:59] <jamespage> that sounds right
[13:59] <smoser> so what do you think to do here?
[13:59] <smoser> i feel apt to just avoid chowning 'rootfs' like is currently in your mp
[13:59] <smoser> and maybe i'll open a bug saying we shouldn't chown everything on upgrade
[14:00] <jamespage> hmm - so assuming that we take the 'its not blown up so-far approach'
[14:01] <jamespage> i'm nervous that we have switched from nova:root -> nova:nova for the permissions change
[14:04] <jamespage> smoser: looking at the version history of that file it switch from nova:nogroup to nova:root
[14:04] <smoser> and back again i think
[14:04] <smoser> :)
[14:04] <jamespage> and now we are switching to nova:nova
[14:06] <jamespage> smoser: not sure about the switch back - looks like that was done for the 'nogroup' security reason
[14:06] <jamespage> so actually switching to nova:nova makes sense
[14:07] <smoser> yeah, you're right. i dont know why i thoguth it changed back at the moment.
[14:08] <smoser> so then potentially fix things that are owned by root or nogroup
[14:08] <jamespage> so excluding the rootfs directories as in the MP is the minimal change ATM
[14:08] <smoser> i think i'm kind of up for th eminimal change at this point.
[14:08] <jamespage> and switching the primary group to nova closes the last bit of the security fix for nogroup
[14:08] <jamespage> +1 on that
[14:08] <smoser> right.
[14:09] <smoser> i think it make sense to go to nova group
[14:09] <smoser> for things that *were* root
[14:09] <smoser> or were nogroup
[14:12] <jamespage> it is a little blanket ATM
[14:14] <smoser> lets just go with minimal fix.
[14:15] <smoser> the other small concern i have is that 'find' taking ages
[14:15] <smoser> ie, if /var/lib/nova had 100,000s of files
[14:15] <smoser> but i dont think it should really.
[14:16] <jamespage> I think that is an outside case
[14:16] <jamespage> in the event that you have that many files in that directory
[14:16] <jamespage> you are going to be running a monster machine
[14:16] <jamespage> which should have good io - or else you are a flump
[14:53] <jamespage> someones busy with cobbler :-)
[14:54] <smoser> jamespage, ok...
[14:55] <smoser> so i'm almost certain that this is going to cause issue if libvirt closes the filehandles that have been chowned
[14:55] <smoser> i dont know what case it will occur in, as i tihnk on libvirt restart it wuld probably re-chown the files to libvirt ownership, and otherwise, it probably wont close its file handles
[14:56] <smoser> but if it does, its not going to be able to write the files that we chown'd to root:root
[14:56] <smoser> er... to nova:nova
[14:56] <smoser> jdstrand, around ?
[14:56] <jdstrand> yep
[14:56] <smoser> i'm looking at a case in nova, where we have some libvirt instances up, and then a nova upgrade will come through and do
[14:57] <smoser>  chown -R /var/lib/nova/ , which will include some files that are libvirt:kvm owned
[14:57] <smoser> libvirt-qemu:kvm
[14:57] <jdstrand> ok
[14:57] <smoser> is that going to cause a problem ?
[14:58] <jdstrand> otoh, it shouldn't as the perms aren't going to be rechecked since kvm already has the open fds
[14:58] <smoser> so far nothign has flown up in our faces, so i assume that libvirt is just fixing ownership on restart and not closing file handles otherwise (so the perms change dont take affect)
[14:58] <smoser> right.
[14:58] <smoser> so when *would* libvirt not fix these things and us get screwed
[14:58] <jdstrand> libvirt will readjust the perms on stop/start of the guest, yes
[14:58] <smoser> ok...
[14:59] <jamespage> smoser: still feels like that chown should be restricted
[14:59] <jdstrand> on guest reboot, qemu doesn't close the fd, so still should be fine
[14:59] <smoser> jamespage, yeah, but then i'm afraid
[14:59] <jdstrand> it is a bit clumsy the way nova is doing that
[14:59] <smoser> as i'm afraid that nova is going to for some reason need ownership for some reason
[14:59] <smoser> (live migration, instance terminate... something)
[15:00]  * smoser adds another 'for some reason' to make sure everyone knows he is sure of nothing
[15:00] <jdstrand> why not jsut do chown /var/lib/nova/, and then chwon -R on the subdirectories, excepting the one that hold instances
[15:01] <jdstrand> s/instances/image files/
[15:01] <smoser> well, 2 reasons... 1, there are files in there that have 'nogroup' or 'root' group that we want to fix.
[15:01] <smoser> and 2, we're not really sure why this code is there, and we're afraid of breaking things
[15:01] <jdstrand> I'm saying, do your chown, just be selective
[15:01] <smoser> right
[15:02] <jdstrand> you'd have to enumerate what to chown of course, and it would be a bit more brittle
[15:03] <jdstrand> or you could use find creatively and skip stuff that is -group kvm and -user libvirt-qemu
[15:04] <jdstrand> be careful with find though-- you don't want to follow symlinks and do stuff outside of /var/lib/nova
[15:04] <zul> morning
[15:04] <smoser> jdstrand, yeah.
[15:13] <zul> so chown -R the rootfs in lxc blows up?
[15:16] <jamespage> zul: kinda
[15:17] <zul> thats an unintentional effect
[15:18] <jamespage> it was nice to see everything owned by nova:nova in the lxc instance tho
[15:18] <zul> hehe
[15:35] <lynxman> jamespage: lol
[15:35]  * jamespage sighs
[15:36] <jamespage> likewise-open - remind me never to volunteer to look at a bug for Daviey again...
[15:39] <smoser> zul,  you should go ahead and pull jamespage's merge i think.
[15:39] <smoser> er... maybe not.
[15:39] <smoser> maybe we should prune off 'instances'
[15:40] <zul> jamespage: yeah i learned that pretty quick as well ;)
[15:40] <zul> smoser: does qemu/kvm have the same problem?
[15:40] <smoser> shoot
[15:40] <smoser> well, sort of
[15:40] <smoser> info on the above
[15:40] <smoser> in the above
[15:41] <smoser> we change the files, which is bad, but libvirt fixes them for us on restart.
[15:44] <Daviey> jamespage: what is making you said about it?
[15:45] <jamespage> Daviey: install on natty just fine - upgraded to oneiric and it borkes pretty bad
[15:45] <Daviey> jamespage: feel free to bounce it back to me.
[15:45] <zul> smoser: nbd.ko  defaults to 16 for the max number of block devices
[15:45] <Daviey> jamespage: gah, dammit
[15:47] <jamespage> Daviey: well I was able to confirm bug 854971
[15:48] <smoser> yes, i knew that.
[15:48] <smoser> thats why i said we need to bump it.
[15:51] <zul> smoser: is there a way we can check to see what the nbds_max is set to and make the changes dynamically in nova?
[15:52] <smoser> zul, i sort of suggested that.
[15:52] <smoser> theres really no point in the flag
[15:52] <smoser> just check all the devices
[15:53] <zul> smoser: agreed
[15:54] <zul> smoser: like just get the information from /sys/module/nbd/paramaters/nbds_max
[15:55] <smoser> right.
[15:55] <smoser> oh. it is there?
[15:55] <smoser> yeah, so thats nice.
[15:55] <zul> its staring at me right now
[15:55] <smoser> but even then, why bother?
[15:56] <smoser> it already looks through /sys/block/%s/pid
[15:56] <zul> well what if you reload the module....yeah right
[15:56] <smoser> just do that.
[16:26] <dori922> hey! I have a shell script thats works fine(adds users from a mysql database) untill i try to run it off a cron job :( via: "$ sudo crontab -u root -e" then: "5 * * * * /home/trofnan4/addclients.sh"
[16:26] <dori922> it woirks outside the cron so im not sure i have cron set up correctly :s
[16:33] <jamespage> Daviey: hmmm - trouble at mill - bug 845477
[16:36] <Daviey> oh golly.
[16:38] <jamespage> I'm trying a local build without V=1 to see what difference it makes
[16:38] <jamespage> Daviey: how important is it that likewise-open remains in the archive?
[16:40] <Daviey> jamespage: Honestly, not quite sure - i think it is, based on the fact there is bug feedback for Oneiric already
[16:59] <Daviey> m_3: Hey, you are a ruby fan - right? :)
[17:02] <m_3> Daviey: yup
[17:02] <m_3> ssup?
[17:03] <m_3> dang, did I just volunteer for a bug?
[17:03] <Daviey> m_3: Well... rails in oneiric is poorly, and i might need your guidance how to resolve.
[17:04] <m_3> are there specific bugs?
[17:04] <Daviey> m_3: bug 861524 .. does it really need to be that coupled to versions?
[17:04] <skrite> hey all, i have a simple dovcot and postfix mail server, working fine with Maildir but now i need a user to be abel to send mail from his laptop, how do i configure so he can use his user account to send mail?
[17:05] <m_3> Daviey: I can look now
[17:05] <Daviey> m_3: \o/
[17:12]  * robbiew takes a break from the USB key sweatshop...bbiab
[17:23] <Daviey> m_3: So the issue seems to be that some parts are using 2.3.11 and others 2.3.14.
[17:23] <medberry> SpamapS, is bug 523484 still open
[17:23] <medberry> (for say Natty)
[17:23] <Daviey> m_3: It's breaking at versioned depends, rather than code problems.  It's not clear to me what ois the best solution.
[17:24] <Daviey> m_3: bring them all to 2.3.14, or remove the versioned depends?
[17:29] <SpamapS> medberry: I don't know anything about that bug. :-/
[17:30] <SpamapS> medberry: if I did before, its been swapped out for other things :P
[17:30] <medberry> nod. thanks.
[17:35] <medberry> zul, ^ 523484
[17:36] <zul> medberry:  ah
[17:37] <Daviey> medberry: Have you encountered it?
[17:37] <medberry> Daviey, yes, sort of...
[17:38] <Daviey> medberry: If so, does removing ureadahead resolve the issue?
[17:39] <medberry> checking.
[17:41] <negronjl> SpamapS: ping
[17:42] <SpamapS> negronjl: pong, sup?
[17:42] <negronjl> SpamapS, having issues with the mysql charm.  Need MySQL expertise
[17:43] <negronjl> I am trying to create a mysql table with foreign keys and I get errno:150.  any thoughts?
[17:43] <SpamapS> negronjl: MyISAM?$ perror 150
[17:43] <negronjl> the mysql charm is being configured with aug and I don't quite get aug enough to do anything useful with it.
[17:43] <SpamapS> MySQL error code 150: Foreign key constraint is incorrectly formed
[17:43] <negronjl> tables are not MyISAM, they are InnoDB.
[17:44] <negronjl> SpamapS, also, when i install the same verison of mysql vi apt-get, it all works.
[17:44] <SpamapS> negronjl: very strange
[17:44] <negronjl> SpamapS, the issue is that the charm is already being used in other parts of nova and would just like to fix the charm ( I am pretty sure is something that aug is doing )
[17:44] <SpamapS> negronjl: well I don't know what that error message means well enough to debug it..
[17:45] <negronjl> SpamapS, ahh..ok.  Know of any MySQL guru's ?
[17:45] <SpamapS> negronjl: we don't change much in my.cnf ...
[17:45] <SpamapS> negronjl: I'm sure I could help, but don't have any time to dig into it right now. :-/
[17:46] <negronjl> SpamapS, thanks anyway.  I'll work it out somehow ( I hope ) :)
[17:47] <SpamapS> negronjl: google that error message.. I think its probably something simple.
[17:47] <SpamapS> negronjl: the settings we changed in my.cnf really shouldn't have any bearing.. :p
[17:47] <negronjl> SpamapS, will do.  thx
[18:11] <lynxman> SpamapS: actually they did, we found the issue :)
[18:11] <lynxman> SpamapS: InnoDB engine won't do a foreign key relation between two fields that have different type, this case was varchar relating to int
[18:17] <bau_> hi all i have a problem with my ubuntu server: i can't see samba shares but i can ssh it and smb://ip-address to it, why?
[18:51] <skrite> how do i troubleshoot not being able to log into my email server from a client like thunderbird. i can connect to the dovecot receiving but not the postfix smtp from outside
[18:55] <pyro_killer> anyone in today?
[18:56] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:56] <pyro_killer> my ubuntu server will only upload 20-30kBps, wich is not enoug for my use
[18:57] <pyro_killer> ive tried niceing it, reniceing it, and the ww-data user, seen through apaches config files, and it isnt runing anything else atm
[18:58] <pyro_killer> the speeds ive gotten on torrents on it have been up to 9 MBps
[19:01] <Pici> pyro_killer: Stupid question, but your torrents aren't seeding when you're trying to download things from your server, right?
[19:02] <pyro_killer> Pici: no, i've killed it, ive had this problem for some time
[19:02] <pyro_killer> Pici: but it seems that after a certain amount of installations, for compilers, mods for apache and such, it hits, and gets capped
[19:02] <JanC> pyro_killer: it's only with apache that you have the problem?
[19:03] <pyro_killer> also the ......
[19:03] <pyro_killer> vsftp
[19:03] <Pici> pyro_killer: Is it purely a bandwidth issue, or are you seeing problems with apache cpu usage that might be causing a bottleneck?
[19:04] <pyro_killer> no, there is no bottleneck, only running mysql and  apache
[19:04] <jamespage> Daviey: I've marked bug 854971 as server-o-rs
[19:04] <jamespage> patch from upstream - trying it now
[19:04] <jamespage> but looking OK
[19:04] <pyro_killer> http://bildr.no/view/986071
[19:05] <pyro_killer> are there any well known programs that restrict it, cause it has happened before
[19:05] <Daviey> jamespage: you rock star
[19:05] <JanC> pyro_killer: did you try downloading from your server from multiple locations?
[19:06] <Daviey> jamespage: Whilst you are here, remember we talked about jenkins testing via juju for daily testing of openstack?
[19:06] <pyro_killer> yes, my buddies also get it when they download files from it
[19:06] <SpamapS> lynxman: I'm a little confused by that. Are you saying that the FK's basically just weren't happening before, because it was on a MyISAM table?
[19:06] <Daviey> jamespage: - That was blocked on complex testing blueprint, and juju / orchestra being 'ready', right?
[19:07] <pyro_killer> the cap is usually 80-30kbps
[19:07] <pyro_killer> *kBps
[19:07] <lynxman> SpamapS: no, it's an InnoDB constraint
[19:07] <jamespage> Daviey: I do remember
[19:07] <jamespage> and I have done some work on that
[19:07] <jamespage> as I have failed todo for the last week (At least)
[19:08] <jamespage> I need to spend time with the latest versions of adam_g's formulas
[19:08] <jamespage> and get them working with the formula test service
[19:08] <jamespage> and get them working with the formula test charm
[19:08] <jamespage> tomorrow
[19:09] <SpamapS> lynxman: But FK's don't do *anything* on any other engine
[19:09] <SpamapS> lynxman: so its a bug in whatever was creating the FK
[19:09] <lynxman> SpamapS: still it's an InnoDB requirement according to the manual *shrug*
[19:09] <JanC> pyro_killer: does the same issue happen with ssh/sftp?
[19:09] <lynxman> SpamapS: exactly, it's a bug in keystone :)
[19:09] <SpamapS> lynxman: ok, just making sure. :)
[19:09] <Daviey> jamespage: Great!
[19:09] <Daviey> jamespage: Now go home. :)
[19:10]  * SpamapS wishes MyISAM would contact Dr. Conrad Murphy for some sleeping medication...
[19:10] <jamespage> Daviey: will do once I've done limited testing on likewise-open
[19:10] <pyro_killer> ssh, works but is really slow, to my eyes it seems like a security feature, we can be several people downloading slowly from it, so that it goes pretty fast in total, but we both get individually low speeds, even if we are alone
[19:10] <pyro_killer> connecting to the server
[19:11] <pyro_killer> ssh is not really slow slow, but there are small amounts of info
[19:11] <pyro_killer> so you dont really notice
[19:11] <jamespage> Daviey: heck it builds, installs and starts without error - good enought for me
[19:11] <jamespage> and one step further that it does ATM
[19:13] <JanC> pyro_killer: that's why I referred to sftp (or you could use scp instead), which transfers files over an ssh link, so causes more traffic  ☺
[19:13] <JanC> pyro_killer: did you ask your hosting provider?
[19:13] <JanC> pyro_killer: because they might be doing this...
[19:14] <pyro_killer> i have asked them, but a similar ubuntu server with only tiny amount of programs performs extremely well, my 5$ vps can download to me with 2MBps, so i dont think it is the case, they are on the same node
[19:15] <Daviey> jamespage: If it compiles, ship it
[19:20] <jamespage> Daviey, zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu/oneiric/likewise-open/make-it-work/+merge/77390
[19:20] <jamespage> I'll let you fight over it :-)
[19:20] <zul> jamespage: beer me :)
[19:20] <jamespage> can't upload - not in the ubuntu-server packageset
[19:21] <zul> Daviey: can you take care of it so i can work on this nova bug i been working on?
[19:26] <Daviey> jamespage: Grrrrrr
[19:26] <Daviey> jamespage: I wish you were core-dev
[19:26] <Daviey> :)
[19:39] <Daviey> smoser: errr.
[19:39] <smoser> whats up?
[19:39] <Daviey> smoser: m1.small only has 2GB disks?
[19:40] <smoser> where do you see that?
[19:40] <Daviey> smoser: canonistakc
[19:40] <smoser> i think you're seeing bug 836759
[19:41] <Daviey> smoser: ah, thanks
[19:41] <smoser> i'm going to wipe all my images and start with new ones
[19:41] <smoser> to clear any cache issues on nodes
[19:42] <Daviey> sure
[19:42] <smoser> and, i guess in the process test how well the cache cleaning works to avoid a disk full :)
[19:45] <Daviey> :D
[19:45] <Daviey> adam_g: did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cobbler-enlist/+bug/860492 ? happy days :)
[19:46] <adam_g> Daviey: neat
[19:48] <Daviey> adam_g: I assume you didn't read the recommendations then?
[19:48] <adam_g> Daviey: hah i just did
[19:49] <adam_g> Daviey: and seems reasonable.
[19:50] <adam_g> Daviey: when would the deadline for that be?
[19:50] <Daviey> reasonable yes.. frustrating also :)
[19:50] <Daviey> adam_g: august 11th
[19:51] <Daviey> :)
[19:51] <Daviey> As each day passes, harder and harder to justify.
[19:57] <Loopzle> Hello, I have setup a Ubuntu Server (10.10) on my old laptop. However, it seems to sleep if I leave it a while. How can I stop it from doing this?
[20:02] <genii-around> Loopzle: Maybe check your default settings in /etc/default/acpi-support
[20:04] <Loopzle> genii-around: /etc/default/acpi-support seems to be empty.
[20:05] <smoser> hallyn, i'm reproducibly hitting that cgroups issue
[20:05] <smoser> with nova lxc
[20:06] <genii-around> Loopzle: Does /etc/default/acpid exist?
[20:07] <Loopzle> genii-around: Yes.
[20:10] <genii-around> Loopzle: I would suggest to install acpi-support package, then tweak the /etc/default/acpi-support values for hibernate, sleep, and so on
[20:13] <hallyn> smoser: build a libvirt with my debdiff...
[20:13] <smoser> where?
[20:13] <Loopzle> genii-around: I have installed the package, Do I just comment out the lines "ACPI_SLEEP=true" and "ACPI_HIBERNATE=true" or change them to false?
[20:14] <hallyn> smoser: bottom of bug 842845.  i can push some .debs to pcc if you like
[20:14] <genii-around> Loopzle: Change them explicitly
[20:15] <smoser> hallyn i will try
[20:15] <Loopzle> genii-around: Okay, I will leave the server a while and see if it works. Thanks.
[20:16] <hallyn> smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/nova-lxc-cgroup-race  has the debs
[20:16] <smoser> then why did you tell me to build one
[20:16] <smoser> :)
[20:17] <hallyn> smoser: i forgot i had them handy
[20:17] <smoser> pfooey
[20:17] <hallyn> and i was hoping to get you to look at the patch and comment :)
[20:17] <smoser> i'm on i386 at the moment.
[20:18] <hallyn> doh
[20:19] <genii-around> Loopzle: No prob. Keep us updated!
[20:22] <raubvogel> When you are setting up isc bind, how do you tell it to try the dns above it if it does not know the answer?
[20:22] <lynxman> smoser: ping
[20:23] <lynxman> smoser: silly question, but you sure know it :)
[20:23] <smoser> k
[20:24] <lynxman> smoser: I'm dealing with rabbitmq-server 2.6.1, so far up to 2.5.0 we had the daemon bg with & and then rabbitmqctl wait would wait for the listener to be up, so that helped control the up situation
[20:25] <lynxman> smoser: problem with 2.6.1 is that it expected the PID as well, which doesn't show up through pidof and it's quite hard to get, but then I'll always go okay which in restart can be a bit of a pain
[20:25] <lynxman> smoser: don't want to go sleep N since it's lame, so I thought you would have a better idea :)
[20:26] <smoser> "it expected the PID"
[20:26] <smoser> what expected the pid ?
[20:26] <smoser> and why doesnt it show up through pidof ?
[20:27] <lynxman> smoser: because we call the daemon who goes "erlang programname parameters" so it's not easy to trace
[20:27] <lynxman> smoser: the PID is not expected by the command "rabbitmqctl wait" where before it just went and looked at the socket
[20:28] <lynxman> smoser: if you install rabbitmq-server 2.5.0 (the oneiric one)
[20:28] <lynxman> smoser: you'll see the init.d file, I'm talking about
[20:42] <Daviey> jdstrand: Is this enough of a warning? http://pb.daviey.com/Hz6i/
[20:43] <jdstrand> Daviey: yeah, looks good
[20:46] <Daviey> jdstrand: the error checking, is that something you really want to see for O?
[20:47] <Daviey> Is it something that can be targeted post MIR?
[20:47] <jdstrand> Daviey: my review isn't done yet. ideally, yes, cause failure to allocate memory and continuing on can be an issue
[20:47] <jdstrand> I gotta run now though
[20:48] <Daviey> jdstrand: Would dropping the universe package pass this?
[20:48] <Daviey> jdstrand: I mean, allocating memory in a volatile enviroment that run for ~30 seconds, then system halts.
[20:49] <Daviey> jdstrand: ok
[20:59] <Loopzle> genii-around: I think sleep is disabled, thanks for that. :)
[21:00] <genii-around> Loopzle: You're welcome.
[21:14] <bookpage> can i use d3d on a virtualised ubuntu image with vnc?
[21:19] <Daviey> m_3: How did you get on?
[21:19] <Pici> bookpage: I don't understand the question.
[21:19] <m_3> Daviey: just about to ping you
[21:20] <DrNick__> i'd imagine he's asking if he can use direct3d over vnc on a virtualised image.  i'd say try it, nothing to loose, but I'd say unlikelt
[21:20] <m_3> so I think the answer is to revert two deps back to the 2.3.11 versions instead of the 2.3.14
[21:20] <DrNick__> * unlikely
[21:20] <m_3> I've never seen things work without all of those lib versions matching exactly
[21:22] <m_3> Daviey: I think it'll be necessary to rebuild the master ruby-rails-2.3 package to lock the deps too (no >=)
[21:24] <savid> So, it appears my mysql client was built with EditLine.   Is there any easy way to restore readline functionality?
[21:25] <savid> This is ubuntu 9.10
[21:28] <m_3> Daviey: I take that back... no need to rebuild the ruby-rails-2.3 base package,
[21:28] <m_3> just pull ruby-activesupport-2.3 and ruby-activeresource-2.3 back to 2.3.11
[21:32] <Daviey> m_3: pull them back?
[21:32] <Daviey> m_3: ahhhhhhh
[21:33] <Daviey> m_3: rails is <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:33] <Daviey> m_3: How viable is it to push forward?
[21:34] <m_3> yikes, but ruby-rails-2.3 is 2.3.11
[21:34] <m_3> rails-<IP_ADDRESS> looks like a wrapper
[21:35] <Daviey> m_3: ruby-rails-2.3 is worse than that...
[21:35] <m_3> Daviey: how much time do we have?
[21:36] <Daviey> m_3: source package is 2.3.14-3, but it failed to build
[21:36] <m_3> quicker to revert if possible... can push other libs forward, but it might take a bit
[21:36] <Daviey> m_3: reverting is hard, we have to butcher the version to appear to be higher
[21:36] <m_3> I get rails-<IP_ADDRESS> source
[21:36] <Daviey> It's really quite ugly.
[21:36] <m_3> ah, I gotcha
[21:37] <m_3> ok, lemme look at what's changed between 2.3.11 and 2.3.14 for the other libs
[21:38] <Daviey> m_3: ruby-rails-2.3 failed to build because:
[21:38] <Daviey>  ruby-actionpack-2.3 : Depends: ruby-activesupport-2.3 (< <IP_ADDRESS>) but 2.3.14-2 is to be installed
[21:38] <Daviey>  ruby-activerecord-2.3 : Depends: ruby-activesupport-2.3 (< <IP_ADDRESS>) but 2.3.14-2 is to be installed
[21:38] <Daviey> so if ruby-activesupport-2.3 is upgraded, we might be ok
[21:38] <m_3> how are you getting <IP_ADDRESS> source for ruby-rails-2.3
[21:38] <m_3> I'm getting 2.3.11
[21:39] <m_3> (I'm just doing an apt-get source ruby-rails-2.3)
[21:39] <Daviey> $ rmadison ruby-rails-2.3
[21:39] <Daviey> ruby-rails-2.3 |   2.3.11-1 | oneiric/universe | all
[21:39] <Daviey> ruby-rails-2.3 |   2.3.14-2 | oneiric/universe | source
[21:39] <m_3> (sorry, relative noob at packaging)
[21:40] <Daviey> m_3: pull-lp-source ruby-rails-2.3 , is what the cool kids use.
[21:40] <Daviey> or the super cool kids, bzr branch lp:ubuntu/ruby-rails-2.3
[21:41] <m_3> cool.. when do you need this done?
[21:43] <SpamapS> Daviey: super duper cool kids use bzr branch ubuntu:ruby-rails-2.3
[21:43] <m_3> I won't even mention the level of coolness that uses 'git bzr clone ubuntu:ruby-rails-2.3'
[21:45] <m_3> damn... debuild isn't gonna work with that huh
[21:45] <Daviey> SpamapS: I'm not than cool, probably never will be :)
[21:45] <Daviey> m_3: Really soon. :)
[21:46] <Daviey> m_3: "bzr bd -S" ~= debuild -S
[21:55] <Daviey> negronjl: Your keystone change, are you sure it doesn't need a database migration for upgrades?
[21:56] <negronjl> Daviey, it shouldn't need it.. the changes make the FKs more flexible and would work on both MyISAM as well as InnoDB
[21:57] <Daviey> negronjl: sure changing Integer -> String isn't a big deal?
[21:57] <Daviey> not for fresh installs, just upgrades
[21:59] <negronjl> Daviey, furthermore, it makes more sense to use same type of fields when doing FKs.  The type ( Integer or String ) is up for debate.  The current package that we have could go either way.  If/when we pull again from upstream, that decision can be made there.  At that point, some sort of sanity check should be done on the DB to accommodate for any changes in field types
[22:00] <lynxman> negronjl: don't think there's much debate, one is varchar because it might accept UUIDs so... varchar it is
[22:00] <Daviey> negronjl: Oh, i don't disagree that this looks like a worthy fix - what concerns me, is that i don't know how this is handled for people already witha  keystone database
[22:01] <negronjl> Daviey, lynxman: I agree with lynxman on the varchar/integer.  Furthermore, the existing databases would not be affected in creation.  keystone would not try to create tables as it checks before and, the conversion between integer/varchar should be transparent via sqlalchemy
[22:01] <lynxman> Daviey: don't think it does affect anyone really :)
[22:03] <Daviey> Hmm
[22:04] <Daviey> negronjl: I assume you tried it?
[22:04] <Daviey> and upgrade, i mean
[22:05] <negronjl> Daviey, I really can't try it because keystone will not properly work with InnoDB ( hence the change ).  I can ( and am in the process of ) manually test adding data to the tables in both integer and string and test the conversion .
[22:06] <Daviey> negronjl: you are a rock star
[22:07] <lynxman> Daviey: he is
[22:09] <negronjl> Daviey, changing from integer to varchar is handled as integers can be saved as varchar (Strings).
[22:10] <Daviey> negronjl: so we are dandy?
[22:10] <negronjl> Daviey, we are
[22:10] <kirkland> mtaylor: ping
[22:11] <kirkland> mtaylor: minor fix to keystone packaging in lp:~kirkland/keystone/copyright-fixes
[22:11] <kirkland> mtaylor: could you please merge that into lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/keystone ?
[22:11] <Daviey> negronjl: thanks
[22:11] <negronjl> Daviey, no worries.
[22:12]  * Daviey throws kirkland  lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/keystone/diablo .
[22:14] <bookpage> Pici: DrNick__ was right, that's what I wanted to do. I did try it, but I ran into issues related to having no $DISPLAY :/
[22:16] <kirkland> Daviey: can i push there?
[22:22] <kirkland> Daviey: thanks!  pushed
[22:22] <Daviey> cool
[22:24] <Daviey> kirkland / negronjl / lynxman / iamfuzztoo: Is bug 843058 going to cause woe?
[22:24] <negronjl> Daviey, checking now....
[22:26] <negronjl> Daviey, it may for us this late in the game.
[22:26] <lynxman> definitely late
[22:27] <negronjl> Daviey, the request is not a bad one but, the implementation may end up breaking things that could heavily affect our current openstack deployment ( what we are currently working on our sprint now )
[22:29] <Daviey> negronjl: yeah, it's not clear to me if keystone supports EC2 based on that bug. :/
[22:29] <Daviey> There is some support, but NFI how good it is. :/
[22:31] <negronjl> Daviey, from what little information is available, it isn't
[22:32] <lynxman> Daviey: support is limited to "someone actually wanting to support the API"
[22:32] <lynxman> Daviey: so by default no
[22:33] <Daviey> :'(
[22:36] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah, sad face too
[23:01] <m_3> Daviey: I'm gonna step away for food... I'll shoot to have you branches in a few hours.  I'm not seeing anything in the way atm
[23:03] <blaenk> hey guys, I'm on 9.10 server and it has vim 7.2, wondering how I can upgrade to 7.3, or should I just install from source?
[23:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> !9.10
[23:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> blaenk:  i assume upgrading isnt an option?
[23:11] <blaenk> TheEvilPhoenix: not at the moment unfortunately, but hopefully soon
[23:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> well 9.10 is end of life already
[23:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> so...
[23:13] <blaenk> so I guess I'll install from sources
[23:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> well vim is 7.3 in natty
[23:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> but not before
[23:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> so if you *absolutely* need 7.3, sources
[23:35] <soren> smoser: Sorry, which chown?
[23:35] <smoser> in nova-common postinst
[23:35] <smoser> we do a chonw -R nova:nova /var/lib/nova/
[23:36] <smoser> that is going to change perms on files that libvirt had modified to it and possibly other things.
[23:36] <soren> smoser: Ah.
[23:37] <soren> smoser: I thought it only did that for fresh installs.
[23:37] <smoser> i supposed that that was the intent.
[23:38] <smoser> it turns out that we're in the position where we really *should* do some chowning on upgrade now, to fix old perms that were in place.
[23:43] <pukeko_> Hi all - i'm installing a JEOS base image for VM guests, in the software selection window, what does the Basic Ubuntu Server option refer to ?
[23:44] <pukeko_> if i elect to leave that out how much smaller will the img be ?


[02:27] <rlaager> So is it just me, or does visiting a Launchpad bug in Firefox make your Xorg peg the CPU for a while any time you touch that window?
[04:03] <damian> hello?
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> yes?
[04:08] <damian> how do I enable referrer tag so I can join the group?
[04:08] <damian> for firefox
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure what that means?
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> referrer tag?
[04:12] <damian> No REFERER Header
[04:12] <damian> Launchpad requires a REFERER header to perform this action. There is no REFERER header present. This can be caused by configuring your browser to block REFERER headers.
[04:12] <damian> Unblock REFERER headers for launchpad.net and try again, or see the FAQ Why does Launchpad require a REFERER header? for more information.
[04:12] <damian> You can also join the #launchpad IRC support channel on irc.freenode.net for further assistance.
[04:13] <damian> the faq is https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1024 but it doesn't say much about enabling referrer
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> That would be a question for #launchpad then, not here.  I have no idea.
[04:15] <damian> ok


[12:26] <superm1> oh check your spam majoridiot
[12:26] <superm1> i did get an answer 7 min ago
[12:26] <superm1> and gmail flagged it spam
[12:28] <majoridiot> yup.  flagged mine as spam, too... it didn't forward.
[12:28] <superm1> i think it is because there is no sender on it
[12:29] <superm1> so once your in
[12:30] <majoridiot> ok... set up.
[12:30] <superm1> there is a wysiwyg editor available for editting pages, but i dont like it much myself
[12:30] <superm1> i've done most of the pages in google docs and then copied and pasted the html
[12:30] <superm1> but if you find a better method or a plugin or anything, we can install whatever we want on the box
[12:31] <majoridiot> i'll play with it later and see
[12:31] <superm1> I'm not sure if there is a mechanism for easily uploading files on it as of yet (for pictures), but that is something else that we will need to investigate
[12:31] <superm1> haha DaveMorris
[12:31] <majoridiot> just what i need... another freakin editor to learn. ;)
[12:31] <DaveMorris> and I'm only 24
[12:31] <superm1> yea thats why i just do mine in google docs :)
[12:32] <superm1> it uses what it calls filtered html
[12:33] <majoridiot> 24... meh.  'tis but a kid
[12:34] <majoridiot> :P
[12:34] <superm1> but anyway.  i think the most ideal thing to do would be a few simple docs.  Mythbuntu should be pretty straightforward on its own, but we should at least have a FAQ, a Release Notes, and a short little install guide that walks you through the procedure and outlines the steps a bit more
[12:34] <DaveMorris> anyone here use latex?
[12:34] <superm1> i'm going to start using it this fall
[12:34] <superm1> on the todo list to learn
[12:34] <DaveMorris> its nice, esp combined with SC
[12:35] <DaveMorris> but I'm trying to work out how to do source code syntax highlighing
[12:35] <majoridiot> well, be sure to holla as soon as there is a semi-final image to burn and install...
[12:35] <majoridiot> (as far as steps and procedures go)
[12:36] <superm1> k majoridiot
[12:36] <superm1> ah great :)
[12:36] <superm1> i think whats needed also is to identify everyone that we should list on there
[12:36] <superm1> as contributing (since they aren't all in the LP groups)
[12:37] <superm1> because we'll get rogue780|mythsvr and tgm4883 in here every so often chatting away with some people, and gardengnome (laga) needs to be listed as working on svn packaging now
[12:37] <majoridiot> someone will need to compile that list... i only know of the ones listed.
[12:37] <superm1> ah ok
[12:37] <superm1> well i was wondering if I should poke newlinux and a few of the other guys that have been all over the forums
[12:37] <superm1> like i've logged in once or twice every day or two, and they just handle all the posts, there is little for me to help with now :)
[12:38] <superm1> because then we can get a good breakdown of where people are contributing (support, docs, packaging, mythbuntu, etc)
[12:38] <superm1> and list that as well
[12:40] <majoridiot> agreed
[12:40] <superm1> all in all i think the we'll have 8-12 people listed then on that page
[12:40] <superm1> i'll send out some pms tonight when i get hoem
[12:40] <majoridiot> i haven't had the time or energy to do much in the forums lately- at least not new topics.
[12:41] <DaveMorris> You just gonna put the irc names, or irc, full name, email, site?
[12:41] <majoridiot> only 7 now
[12:41] <superm1> DaveMorris, we should do as much as possible
[12:41] <majoridiot> and there are certainly as many more that should be listed, if they so choose
[12:41] <superm1> so probably irc, full name and emali
[12:42] <superm1> majoridiot, understandable, you can spend hours on the forums and just barely scratch the surface of how many people can use a hand ;)
[12:42] <superm1> lately i've been more working on mythbuntu related items than having time for support myself
[12:42] <majoridiot> (not counting the ones that want to immediately disregard or argue with your proposed solutions) :S
[12:44] <DaveMorris> btw do we have backups of the servers taking place?
[12:44] <superm1> i'm not sure if imbrandon is handling backups or not
[12:45] <superm1> all of our code that is in use is in bzr
[12:45] <superm1> so in the event something died, that is simple checkout
[12:45] <DaveMorris> if not I've got a machine here which can download them, I've got about 300GB left on my raid 5 atm
[12:45] <DaveMorris> but I'm sitting on the end of DSL, so only 2Mbit/sec
[12:46] <superm1> DaveMorris, we should check with imbrandon if he is handling it or not.  If not, at least backing up drupal, /home,  and a few things in /etc would be a good idea
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I still need to sort out the dumping my mythtv databases nightly
[12:48] <superm1> the packages do it for you
[12:48] <superm1> they back it up to a directory in /var
[12:48] <superm1> i think weekly
[12:53] <DaveMorris> do they
[12:53] <DaveMorris> still on the same drive though ;)
[12:54] <superm1> well you set up a cron job to scp them out
[12:54] <superm1> somewhere else
[12:54] <superm1> or to at least move them somewhere else
[12:58] <DaveMorris> yeah I know
[12:59] <DaveMorris> jsut not got around to doing it yet
[12:59] <superm1> ah
[01:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, you said next week you'll be able to look more into mythdora and knoppmyth's method of presetup and module loading order right/
[01:00] <DaveMorris> bendaily is checking out mythdora
[01:01] <DaveMorris> I've got knoppmyth
[01:01] <DaveMorris> but yeah netx week
[01:01] <superm1> k
[01:01] <superm1> well i'll be ready to drop in whatever you find out by next week hopefully
[01:01] <superm1> with where i'm at with ubiquity thus far
[01:01] <DaveMorris> I've got a ncie box setup to try it on etc
[01:02] <superm1> doesn't even need to necessarily be on a box, you can do it all in a VM
[01:02] <superm1> i think
[01:02] <DaveMorris> the only problem I can see, is that we won't have a big enough databases of devices etc
[01:02] <DaveMorris> I'd rather put it into fesity+2
[01:03] <DaveMorris> and put in feisty+1 a way fro peple to report back the settings  they have to get  cards working etc along with details of cards
[01:03] <superm1> well the database will be there already from these other distros i'd tihnk
[01:03] <superm1> but won't really know untli you look into it
[01:05] <DaveMorris> yeah, but we might not be able to steal there databases etc
[01:05] <DaveMorris> I've no idea what the licenicing side of things are
[01:05] <superm1> well i'd imagine they are GPL, but you'll have to see
[01:05] <superm1> if they are some other license, we can always adapt too
[01:06] <ompaul> superm1, anything else I can help with, btw he had removed the TV card :-( but we will put it in on the next visit
[01:07] <superm1> ah good ompaul .  I think thus far we're good for channel stuff
[01:07] <superm1> thanks for stopping in and getting all of this going for us
[01:07] <ompaul> well I had the joys of UDS and 3 years of ubuntu now so I kind of do some payback ;-)
[01:08] <ompaul> one has to build ones gnewsense from ubuntu you know ;-)
[01:08] <superm1> oh is gnewsense based from ubuntu?
[01:08] <ompaul> most certainly
[01:09] <ompaul> when stallman and shuttleworth met in tunis at some summit (internet society thing I think) they both said gnubuntu and meant different things
[01:10] <superm1> thats the first thing that came to mind for me too
[01:10] <superm1> gnubuntu
[01:10] <superm1> so whose idea is this more like?
[01:10] <ompaul> well I had an audience of one for the distro
[01:11] <ompaul> and he now runs it
[01:11] <ompaul> I told the guy with the multiple of millions of users I would get the audience of one running ubuntu by code if it was not by name
[01:12] <ompaul> it seems I managed to do that
[01:12] <superm1> this looks like a very neat project you've got going here
[01:12] <ompaul> with the help of the brains of the outfit
[01:12] <ompaul> brian brazil
[01:12] <ompaul> or is that brain brazil :)
[01:12] <ompaul> so now ya know
[01:13] <ompaul> the fact that the fsf runs it on servers now and so forth is kinda cool
[01:13] <ompaul> I got ubuntu dapper and feisty gnewsense and gnusense-kde running on different boxes
[01:13] <ompaul> kind of mad
[01:14] <ompaul> but you can't make an omlette without breaking eggs
[01:14] <ompaul> or was that smashing kernels
[01:14] <ompaul> heh
[01:14] <superm1> thats gotta feel great to know you've got big guys like that using it
[01:14] <superm1> haha
[01:14] <ompaul> it has its moments
[01:14] <ompaul> lets just say my name is well known in some places
[01:15] <ompaul> ohh no get him off the phone :)
[01:15] <superm1> when i moved up to my current location and started my internship, i was talking to some guys that work up here about what i do with mythtv and ubuntu.  and their reaction was wow! so i'm using your packages, nice job dude!
[01:17] <Daviey> ompaul, wha's the difference between gnewsense and debian?
[01:17] <ompaul> Daviey, the debian kernel is more polluted
[01:17] <Daviey> with non-free stuff or just bloat?
[01:17] <ompaul> non free
[01:17] <ompaul> that is our only bug
[01:18] <Daviey> like intel's wifi module?
[01:18] <ompaul> ehh are you on the gns site?
[01:18] <Daviey> no
[01:18] <Daviey> maybe i should see if you have a FAQ :)
[01:18] <ompaul> gnus not solaris (ohh yes it is)
[01:18] <ompaul> or will be some day
[01:19] <ompaul> Daviey, go to the "builder script" stuff and checkout the gen kernel script
[01:19] <ompaul> it tells you the crack we remove
[01:19] <Daviey> yes sir
[01:19] <ompaul> dude chill :-)
[01:19] <ompaul> you can as easy tell me to shhhhhh :)
[01:20] <Daviey> Oh don't worry, i say "yes sir" to everybody
[01:20] <Daviey> poor ompaul
[01:20] <ompaul> I filed it but the doc said Won't Fix - here have some time off work and some drugs
[01:20] <ompaul> they might help a little but its a won't fix
[01:21] <Daviey> I think the idea of a fully free OS is great!  - But i won't use it until the wireless drivers are made free :(
[01:22] <ompaul> well the chance of that as long as cards are not made on a per market basis is slim
[01:22] <ompaul> however there are people who know the story and they are not totally not listening they are pretending not to
[01:22] <ompaul> there is a market for fanatics
[01:22] <ompaul> :)
[01:23] <ompaul> the question is it wide enough to build you a card that works where ever you are on the planet
[01:23] <ompaul> which by the way is the justification for the binary blobs but there ya go
[01:23] <ompaul> well there are more politics to it than that but that is another story
[01:24] <Daviey> heh..  I guess you have your own repo's?
[01:24] <ompaul> well they are essentially ubuntu's repos with very few changes
[01:24] <Daviey> Do you merge from upstream then remove what you don't like?
[01:25] <ompaul> well kind of
[01:25] <ompaul> we take main and universe
[01:25] <ompaul> obviously not restricted
[01:25] <Daviey> heh
[01:25] <ompaul> then we remove one or two packages
[01:25] <ompaul> and kill off some files in the kernel and rebuild it
[01:25] <ompaul> and then
[01:25] <ompaul> kill off firefox and rebuild it with the name burning dog
[01:25] <Daviey> and obv. not multiverse :)
[01:26] <ompaul> it gets symlinked to firefox
[01:26] <Daviey> are mozilla foundation happy with that?
[01:26] <ompaul> they got no choice
[01:26] <Daviey> didn't debian get burned for that?
[01:26] <ompaul> it is not branding
[01:26] <ompaul> no they got burned for calling it firefox
[01:26] <ompaul> and changing stuff
[01:26] <ompaul> we got a link to not break the desktop
[01:26] <ompaul> a symlink
[01:26] <Daviey> IceWeasel?
[01:27] <ompaul> that would be an upstream thing
[01:27] <ompaul> and then we would have two problems
[01:27] <Daviey> Isn't IceWeasel firefox without the branding/logo's?
[01:27] <ompaul> IW from debian --- ehhhh or IW from the FSF
[01:27] <ompaul> we have no branding or logos
[01:27] <ompaul> we also don't do extention downloads
[01:27] <ompaul> as most of them are non free
[01:28] <ompaul> so you can't download extentions with bd
[01:28] <ompaul> so we looked at that
[01:28] <ompaul> and we though you know we could but we have this thing called binary compatibity with upstream as far as possible
[01:28] <ompaul> so there is a third way
[01:29] <Daviey> ;)
[01:29] <ompaul> burning dog
[01:29] <ompaul> fire       fox
[01:29] <ompaul> any one see the pun?
[01:29] <ompaul> any two see the pun?
[01:29] <ompaul> :)
[01:29] <Daviey> burning vixon :)
[01:29] <ompaul> no
[01:29] <ompaul> that would be aluding to the species
[01:30] <ompaul> burning bob would have been possible but not very PC
[01:30] <Daviey> ;)
[01:30] <ompaul> and the logo for "bob" with the pipe
[01:31] <Daviey> ompaul, sounds like a great project..  wish you luck :)
[01:31] <ompaul> ohh noooooes its jono
[01:31] <ompaul> :)
[01:38] <ompaul> right I am off to the land of sleep cheers
[01:40] <superm1> Daviey, any chance ot poke around with setting up the metas today o no?
[01:40] <Daviey> superm1, which ones?!
[01:40] <Daviey> heh
[01:40] <jono> :)
[01:40] <superm1> haha very funny
[01:41] <Daviey> I've got meta's coming out my ears.  ;)
[01:41] <superm1> out your ears and into bzr?
[01:41] <Daviey> hopefully
[01:41] <Daviey> You mean the theme meta's?
[01:41] <superm1> the build script metas
[01:41] <Daviey> oh..  I haven't started that yet
[01:42] <superm1> ohok
[01:42] <Daviey> Almost finished the theme meta's tho ;)
[01:42] <superm1> oh forgot to tell you today
[01:42] <superm1> guess what was uploaded ?
[01:42] <superm1> (finally)
[01:42] <Daviey> no
[01:42] <Daviey> your lieing
[01:42] <superm1> mythbuntu-artwork-usplash is coming into gutsy!!!!!
[01:42] <Daviey> *surely* there was _something_ wrong
[01:42] <superm1> crimsun uploaded it yesterday evening
[01:43] <Daviey> An extra space character at EOF or something...
[01:43] <superm1> lol
[01:43] <superm1> well if there was, he let it go
[01:44] <Daviey> jono, are you still here?
[01:44] <jono> Daviey: about to go
[01:44] <Daviey> As community rep - can you do us a favour?
[01:44] <jono> Daviey: what?
[01:44] <Daviey> kick canonical's mailing list admins into touch?
[01:44] <Daviey> been waiting 2months + for a ML
[01:44] <Daviey> for ubuntu-mythtv
[01:45] <superm1> (@l.u.c of course)
[01:52] <Daviey> jono ?
[01:54] <jono> Daviey: I can try
[01:54] <jono> did you file an RT?
[01:54] <superm1> i did jono
[01:54] <jono> right
[01:54] <jono> will check into it tomorrow
[01:54] <jono> I am off to bed now
[01:54] <jono> night
[01:54] <jono> :)
[01:55] <superm1> night jono
[01:55] <Daviey> nn, thanks jono
[01:56] <jono> np :)
[02:08] <superm1> okay majoridiot i'm gonna take off from work for the evening.  i'll be back on an hr or two
[02:08] <superm1> when i get home and eat
[02:08] <superm1> night~
[02:08] <majoridiot> nite
[02:08] <majoridiot> (on phone)
[02:21] <a5benwillis> Either of you guys good with getting php5 to work with edgy?
[02:21] <a5benwillis> its killing me here
[02:21] <a5benwillis> oh no's, super left already
[03:17] <a5benwillis> anybody here tonight?
[03:17] <QuadForce> help please
[03:17] <QuadForce> I'm trying to rip a dvd using mythdvd... i have the disc in the drive, but it just says "No jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD. anyone got an idea?
[03:29] <superm1> QuadForce, try starting mtd
[03:29] <superm1> before mythfrontend
[03:29] <superm1> a5benwillis, i'm here
[03:29] <superm1> whats up?
[03:29] <a5benwillis> trying to help this guy with mythdvd
[03:29] <a5benwillis> I got my apache issue fixed :-)
[03:30] <a5benwillis> I have the same issue with mythdvd so it would be nice to see how to fix it
[03:31] <a5benwillis> or make it work if it aint broke
[03:32] <superm1> Well can't say i've ripped a dvd ever with it.
[03:32] <superm1> Its been on my todo for ages
[03:32] <defendguin> is it just me or is the music player interface for mythtv lame?
[03:32] <superm1> actually there is a bug opened about it that i was supposed to look into a while ago
[03:33] <superm1> a5benwillis, if you dont get it sussed out by later on, i'll see if i can look at it.  i'm merging d-m packages right now with us
[03:33] <superm1> defendguin, yes it is
[03:33] <QuadForce> when I try "mtd" I get a bunch of libread errors
[03:33] <a5benwillis> did you use sudo?
[03:34] <QuadForce> yes
[03:34] <QuadForce> libdvdread: checkvalue failed
[03:35] <a5benwillis> sudo apt-get install libdvdread
[03:36] <a5benwillis> that may have to be done from source... cant remember
[03:36] <QuadForce> cant find package
[03:36] <a5benwillis> I have it installed. let me see if I still have the link
[03:36] <superm1> sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
[03:36] <superm1> you'll probably also need libdvdcss2 (but i'm not sure about that)
[03:37] <a5benwillis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[03:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> !libdvdcss
[03:37] <a5benwillis> that links for libdvdcss2
[03:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> so...ubotu works different here?
[03:39] <rogue780|mythsvr> whoa...what the heck happened?
[03:42] <rogue780|mythsvr> ok...um, so sorry about that paste thing. I have NO idea how it happened. I was at work from 7:00AM 'til 5:00PM....so, again. quite sorry
[03:43] <rogue780|mythsvr> anyone have any theories on what could have caused it?
[03:43] <superm1> !dvd
[03:43] <superm1> hm guess ubotu decided to break
 For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:45] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, no ideas how that could have happend
[03:45] <superm1> as keescook said, my xchat window turned into a xmas tree: )
[03:47] <keescook> rogue780|mythsvr: cats?  :)
[03:48] <a5benwillis> superm1: still getting a funny error with mtd
[03:48] <a5benwillis> "*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1417 ***
[03:48] <a5benwillis> *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i] .cell_id > 0 ***
[03:48] <a5benwillis> "
[03:48] <a5benwillis> installed libdvdread and css
[03:51] <superm1> a5benwillis, do you have another dvd to try?
[03:54] <a5benwillis> sure
[03:54] <superm1> one that you know is rippable at least
[03:56] <Daviey> superm1, come quick
[03:56] <Daviey> you there?
[03:56] <superm1> yea
[03:56] <superm1> whats up?
[03:56] <a5benwillis> as in unencrypted
[03:58] <Daviey> arg http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_org_opening_to_the_public_soon
[03:59] <superm1> oh no.....
[03:59] <Daviey> oh yes :(
[03:59] <superm1> imbrandon,  you there?
[03:59] <superm1> you might want to be ready with pegasus
[04:00] <Daviey> need a new hamster?
[04:00] <Daviey> Trying to formulate a 'reply' - but so tired can'
[04:00] <Daviey> t
[04:00] <Daviey> Want to say - 'it's very alpha atm' etc
[04:00] <superm1> why are you awake still?
[04:01] <Daviey> My RSS - mythbuntu alarm clock woke me
[04:01] <Daviey> monitors RSS feeds and sets off an alarm if mentioned
[04:02] <superm1> lol
[04:02] <superm1> rss alarm clock
[04:02] <superm1> thats a new one
[04:02] <Daviey> not really - daughter woke up
[04:03] <superm1> ah
[04:04] <superm1> are there two other mythtv derivatives that i dont know about?
[04:04] <superm1> for ubuntu or is this person just very poorly mistaken?
[04:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:04] <superm1> woah ubotu, that was so 20 minutes ago
[04:06] <Daviey> mistaken
[04:06] <Daviey> i'm sure
[04:08] <Daviey> I would like to make a warning to anybody intending to try the ISO - it's still very alpha.  Currently it can be used as a Mythtv fronted directly from the livecd.
[04:08] <Daviey> However, we are still working on the installation procedure for a frontend/backend install.  So i would advise people hold off really testing it for the time being.
[04:08] <Daviey> Soon we should have a mailing list, that we can announce a beta iso on - watch this space.
[04:09] <Daviey> doh.. bleedin xchat
[04:09] <a5benwillis> thanks Daviey
[04:09] <superm1> haha
[04:09] <a5benwillis> :-)
[04:09] <superm1> thats good, beat met to finding my digg pw
[04:09] <Daviey> first line went pm, others went here.  sorry a5benwillis
[04:10] <Daviey> superm1, gotta love cookies
[04:10] <Daviey> no idea what mine is either
[04:10] <superm1> my desktop has it saved, but that desktop is in the living room since my frontend died.  its my current fe now
[04:10] <Daviey> heh
[04:12] <Daviey> anyway, gonna try bed again
[04:12] <Daviey> nn
[04:17] <superm1> a5benwillis, yes unencrypted is the best bet to make sure everything else is sane
[04:19] <a5benwillis> QuadForce is the one trying it... Im just helping
[04:19] <QuadForce> got an older movie to show up
[04:20] <QuadForce> how do you "Process Selected title" ?
[04:20] <QuadForce> i hit tab, but it never goes there
[04:20] <QuadForce> lol
[04:52] <superm1> ls
[04:52] <superm1> oops
[04:53] <frank23> If I install the mythweb in feisty, is the web interface only visible from my computer or can others (on the internet) connect?
[04:53] <frank23> what are the default settings?
[04:53] <superm1> all
[04:53] <superm1> your computer and the internet
[04:54] <a5benwillis> if your computer is internet accessible yes
[04:54] <frank23> superm1: How can I disable access from the internet?
[04:55] <frank23> superm1: (or at least protect it)
[04:55] <superm1> put it behind a router
[04:55] <superm1> is the easiest way
[04:55] <superm1> or create a htaccess file
[04:55] <superm1> or just bind apache to the localhost interface
[04:55] <superm1> rather than all interfaces
[04:56] <frank23> superm1: it's already behind a router...
[04:56] <superm1> then dont forward port 80
[04:56] <superm1> and you'll be fine
[04:56] <frank23> superm1: ok
[04:58] <frank23> superm1: How would I bind apache to localhost? do you mean the loopback interface?
[04:59] <frank23> It works!
[05:08] <frank23> I was wondering... why was the automatic daily mythfilldatabase disabled for datadirect? Wouldn't the once a day update with the 'let server decide when' setting be a suitable default?
[05:11] <superm1> u have to set it up in the frontend now
[05:13] <frank23> If the frontend is never on, the backend would not get schedule updates?
[06:07] <superm1> imbrandon, you there?
[06:07] <imbrandon> superm1: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[06:07] <superm1> imbrandon,I was going to ask you about ulive, how soon do hotels and such fill up for these sorts of things?
[06:33] <superm1> frank23, its just for setting up for the first time
[06:33] <superm1> the backend handles doing the job
[06:33] <superm1> its because it will get data from datadirect indicating when to do a guide update next
[06:34] <superm1> based on tms's rotation schedule
[09:03] <superm1> Daviey, your up early?
[09:04] <superm1> or maybe i'm going to bed late again....
[09:04] <Daviey> @work :(
[09:04] <superm1> i dont know the difference anymore
[09:04] <Daviey> heh
[09:10] <Daviey> Must be silly o'clock for then superm1 ?
[09:10] <Daviey> - for you...
[09:11] <superm1> well i've been kludging at this merge all night
[09:11] <superm1> with mythtv and mythplugins
[09:11] <superm1> running into little things here and there that are turning into trouble
[09:11] <superm1> and requiring a rebuild
[09:11] <superm1> at the same time i was trying to fix mythweather usign the patch on trac
[09:12] <superm1> but its turning out to be a packaging mess because it also introduces several new binary files
[09:14] <Daviey> oh, that's a point have you merged the changes that IMDB require?
[09:15] <Daviey> What merge are you doing with mythtv & plugins?
[09:16] <Daviey> - imdb, i see it has :)
[09:17] <Daviey> old news eh?
[09:18] <superm1> yes
[09:18] <superm1> w/ new version at debian multimedia.  its been a long time since i merged with christian's changes
[09:19] <superm1> so i also want to send him back up a list of the stuff we changed
[09:19] <Daviey> I was wondering about debian upstream actually
[09:19] <Daviey> Are you supply a diff?  Or list of changes?
[09:20] <superm1> well the way that we've been doing it is a list of changes
[09:20] <superm1> and what he is interested in upstream i give him more info
[09:21] <superm1> in the mythtv packages i'm making all the depends on msttcorefonts change already
[09:21] <superm1> to fake-msttcorefonts | msttcorefonts
[09:21] <superm1> so your locked in at that name now :)
[09:21] <Daviey> ahhh
[09:21] <Daviey> I was going to question that name
[09:22] <superm1> well actually i havent committed to bzr yet
[09:22] <Daviey> Wasn't sure if -motu would like it
[09:22] <superm1> you've got about 40 minutes to decide
[09:22] <superm1> :)
[09:22] <Daviey> heh
[09:22] <superm1> well can you think of a better name?
[09:22] <superm1> er more appropriate name
[09:23] <Daviey> not easily..
[09:23] <superm1> well i'm just going to commit this for now, it can always be changed though
[09:23] <Daviey> ;)
[09:23] <Daviey> np
[09:25] <Daviey> that scared me
[09:25] <superm1> haha
[09:26] <superm1> i was just going to comment that i need to learn to work on one thing at a time, or get a bigger workspace.  its bad when two monitors isn't enough
[09:26] <Daviey> hehe - i can't see it easily
[09:28] <Daviey> A note on the recent db bug
[09:28] <Daviey> bug 109950
[09:28] <Daviey> - that affects all kubuntu users?
[09:29] <Daviey> ubotu's being slow eh?
[09:29] <superm1> I've got the fix for that one in this upload though
[09:29] <superm1> if i'm remembering it correctly
[09:29] <superm1> about update-notifier
[09:29] <Daviey> yes
[09:30] <Daviey> Isn't update-notifier a KDE thing?
[09:30] <Daviey> sorry
[09:30] <Daviey> gnome
[09:30] <superm1> I didn't think it was
[09:30] <Daviey> I'm wrong
[09:30] <superm1> well its partk of ubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop depends only
[09:30] <superm1> so perhaps
[09:31] <superm1> well what is the comparable product in kubuntu then?
[09:31] <Daviey> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/update-notifier
[09:31] <Daviey> Supports gnome, kde and xfce :)
[09:31] <superm1> oh good
[09:31] <Daviey> so it should be fine :)
[09:32] <superm1> okay then depend on update-notifier isn't a big deal
[09:32] <superm1> its only needed for mythtv-database anyhow
[09:32] <superm1> so a frontend only kde system won't getit
[09:32] <Daviey> hmm
[09:32] <Daviey> does that mean a backend requires X?
[09:32] <superm1> well not necessarily
[09:33] <superm1> yay. the mythweather fix i did works
[09:34] <Daviey> Oh this is silly..... update-notifier is any WM but depends on - 'update-manager' which is gnome centric!
[09:34] <Daviey> What was the problem with mythweather?
[09:34] <superm1> it broke a month or two ago
[09:34] <superm1> when msnbc changed their site
[09:35] <superm1> it also depend on a ton of gtk things
[09:35] <superm1> that is really silly
[09:36] <Daviey> Does seem a suitable fix - but i won't be surprised if kder's file a bug
[09:37] <superm1> well there is no other way to really do it
[09:37] <superm1> if we are going to use update notifier to tell the user via a gui
[09:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109950 in mythtv "mythtv-database configuration cannot connect to MySQL database" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109950
[09:38] <superm1> wow that was literally 10 minutes delayed
[09:38] <Daviey> That sounds like a bug itself
[09:39] <Daviey> let's file a bug against the bug bot :)
[09:39] <superm1> maybe it caught the same thing that majoridiot got
[09:39] <superm1> he was in here for a bit earlier....
[09:40] <Daviey> Think i was 'bout
[09:41] <Daviey> I created his mythbuntu.org account :)
[09:41] <superm1> right.  hopefully you dont catch his bug too then!
[09:44] <Daviey> bug 116574
[09:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116574 in ubuntu-bots "Recently ubotu has become very slow are echoing bug info" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116574
[09:44] <Daviey> crazy!
[09:44] <superm1> ironically.....
[09:44] <superm1> haha
[09:44] <superm1> its not just bug info though, they were slow with things like
[09:44] <superm1> !mythtv
[09:44] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[09:44] <superm1> or !dvd
[09:44] <superm1> dude!
[09:45] <superm1> ubotu, you are bad at letting me make examples
[09:45] <Daviey> heh
[09:45] <Daviey> please don't think he's intelligent :)
[09:47] <superm1> ls
[09:47] <superm1> echk
[09:48] <superm1> okay i need to learn which is xchat
[09:48] <superm1> and which is gnome-terminal
[09:48] <superm1> like make one black or something
[10:02] <superm1> damn that was a long email to christian
[10:03] <superm1> ended up with 23 attachments
[10:09] <superm1> gardengnome, you here?
[10:27] <gardengnome> superm1: yes
[10:27] <superm1> gardengnome, I just finished merging with d-m for our packages
[10:28] <superm1> so the results are in bzr if you want to use them towards the svn ones as well
[10:28] <superm1> and the mythweather patch *did* work
[10:28] <superm1> for 0.20-fixes
[10:28] <gardengnome> nice
[10:29] <gardengnome> superm1: FYI, people (developers) were concerned about legal issues.
[10:29] <superm1> regarding?
[10:29] <gardengnome> seems that the patch breaks the TOS of the data sources
[10:29] <gardengnome> or something
[10:30] <superm1> I thought that it came off of weather.com sources
[10:30] <superm1> which were open xml feeds
[10:30] <gardengnome> sorry, i just woke up because someone didn't understand the "call first" that was put under the delivery address of a new windows.
[10:30] <gardengnome> s/windows/window/
[10:30] <gardengnome> maybe they were concerned about the radar images
[10:31] <gardengnome> i'll try to see if i can locate it in my backlog
[10:32] <superm1> well radar images have been coming from weather.com for a long long time
[10:32] <superm1> this is new to get the data from them though
[10:36] <gardengnome> i've asked for the logs
[10:36] <gardengnome> i can't recall any details.
[10:36] <superm1> Ok
[10:36] <superm1> well that will really suck then if we cant use this patch
[10:37] <superm1> it was annoying to put together :)
[10:37] <gardengnome> don't worry until you've seen the details :)
[10:37] <superm1> there are new images in it, so they had to be tgz'ed and then uuencoded.  so during build after applying the patch, they have to be uudecoded and then extracted
[10:38] <gardengnome> ugh
[10:38] <gardengnome> ugly++
[10:38] <superm1> well not a big deal for you to add to svn though.... i got the leg work here done :)
[10:38] <gardengnome> thanks ;)
[10:39] <superm1> just make sure to catch the build-dep on sharutils and a few changes to debian/rules to reflect it
[10:48] <gardengnome> superm1: was that #3327?
[10:49] <superm1> sounds right
[10:49] <superm1> yes
[11:22] <Daviey> superm1, still here?
[11:22] <superm1> shouldnt be....
[11:22] <Daviey> hah
[11:22] <superm1> i was just in bed and heard the laptop start beeping :)
[11:22] <Daviey> bug 46992
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46992 in mythtv "Make mythtv depend on xmltv-util" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46992
[11:23] <Daviey> been re-opened
[11:23] <superm1> I dont think determining locations is possible by apt
[11:23] <superm1> when installing a package like that
[11:24] <Daviey> well afaik i don't need xmltv for dvb over the air transmission of tv guide
[11:24] <Daviey> do i?
[11:24] <superm1> Nope
[11:24] <Daviey> so even location is no good
[11:24] <superm1> its in the recommends for mythtv-backend already anyway
[11:24] <Daviey> i would say that most uk myther's use dvb cards
[11:25] <Daviey> anyway, whats the time there?
[11:25] <superm1> night Daviey ......
[11:25] <Daviey> nn
[11:25] <Daviey> or dd
[11:25] <superm1> lol
[06:53] <rogue780|mythsvr> ompaul, um, I would have said sorry if I had been home and not at work
[06:53] <rogue780|mythsvr> ompaul, and what do you want to talk about?
[06:54] <ompaul> rogue780|mythsvr, you seemed to have a pasting issue happen yesterday
[06:55] <ompaul> just a little one ;-)
[06:55] <rogue780|mythsvr> right. can't explain it. I was at work in a secure area for 14 hours yesterday
[06:55] <ompaul> wow
[06:55] <rogue780|mythsvr> and no cats
[06:56] <ompaul> so someone moved the keyboard or whatever
[06:56] <rogue780|mythsvr> no one could have though. my dogs stay down stairs, and my wife was also at work
[06:57] <ompaul> so it suddenly had a case of the I will repeat the last X lines in the channel
[06:57] <ompaul> which client?
[06:57] <rogue780|mythsvr> X Chat
[06:58] <ompaul> I have it set up here to back scroll 10k lines
[06:58] <rogue780|mythsvr> so now I sit with my ubotu pm window active instead of this channel
[06:58] <rogue780|mythsvr> I have it set up 3k, and everything is logged
[06:59] <ompaul> ctrl alt and L might be useful walking away from the keyboard, it is my guess that someone moved the keyboard or  mouse or both
[07:00] <ompaul> I have dogs but they leave the keyboards alone, all they want is my seat
[07:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> there is no keyboard or mouse attached to this computer
[07:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> it's controlled through vnc
[07:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> there might have been an erroneous command sent then VNC timed-out yesterday about the same time though
[07:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> that's my best  guess as I look back through the logs
[07:20] <ompaul> thats interesting
[07:34] <tgm4883_> is there a good book on linux?
[07:39] <ompaul> tgm4883_, there are many, depends on your knowledge, and aims
[07:39] <tgm4883_> ah
[07:40] <ompaul> tgm4883_, join me in #ubuntu-offtopic for this one :-)
[07:40] <tgm4883_> ok
[07:40] <ompaul> 5 mins and we will have you with at least two if not three books that will get you started / sorted
[08:30] <gardengnome> tgm4883_: in the status screen
[08:31] <tgm4883_> do i need to be looking through the frontend?
[08:32] <gardengnome> tgm4883_: it's also accessible in mythweb. or just enter "uptime" in a shell
[08:33] <tgm4883_> hmm, cause im checking mythweb and cant find it.  In the backend status or the statistics
[08:33] <gardengnome> backend status
[08:33] <tgm4883_> i must be blind, i still dont see it
[08:34] <gardengnome> i don't have a mythtv box handy at the moment. i can't look it up for you
[08:35] <tgm4883_> yea it's not there, ill check my frontend
[08:36] <tgm4883_> found it on the frontend, but not through mythweb.  Only 8 days here
[08:44] <superm1> keescook, ping
[08:45] <keescook> superm1: pong
[08:45] <superm1> keescook, I've got the two packages added here: http://pegasus.imbrandon.com/~supermario/personal/dists/feisty/mythtv_testing/
[08:45] <superm1> There are orig.tar.gz's and dsc's and diff.tar.gz's
[08:45] <superm1> since its a new upstream versoin
[08:45] <superm1> (and test builds on feisty if you were interested in running)
[08:45] <keescook> ah, cool!
[08:52] <superm1> tgm4883_, only 8 days..... my record was like 95 days for my myth box (and it only changed from a power outage)
[09:02] <superm1> keescook, I think you mentioned in one of the bug reports to make a package called mythtv-backend-utils.  I opted for mythtv-transcode-utils instead (made more sense since it's used on both backend or frontend)
[09:03] <keescook> sounds good
[09:27] <tgm4883_> superm1, yea i had some problems about 8 days ago that i had to reboot
[09:27] <superm1> ah
[09:27] <tgm4883_> i basically had an unresponsive system
[09:39] <tgm4883> My usual way of setting channels is by scanning in mythtv-setup.  Is there a way to add channels that I know are there (and are viewable by the card in a previous setup) but not by scanning?
[09:40] <superm1> you can probably force add them via mysql
[09:40] <superm1> but a scan is probably the safest way
[09:40] <tgm4883> hmm
[09:40] <superm1> analog or digital channels?
[09:40] <tgm4883> when i first set it up the scan didn't find it
[09:40] <tgm4883> digital
[09:40] <tgm4883> atsc HD
[09:40] <superm1> well you can do a scan outside of myth
[09:40] <superm1> and import a channels.conf
[09:41] <tgm4883> that sounds like the way to go
[09:41] <tgm4883> i just hope it finds them this time
[09:41] <superm1> in my experience, the myth scanner has caught everything available to me though
[09:41] <superm1> no more than i find outside
[09:42] <tgm4883> :(
[09:42] <superm1> are you sure the stations are still broadcasting?
[09:42] <tgm4883> Does the channel scanner use anything from zap2it
[09:42] <tgm4883> yea my qam capable tv still gets the channels
[09:43] <superm1> then these aren't ATSC.... they are QAM64/128/256?
[09:43] <tgm4883> my bad
[09:43] <tgm4883> sec
[09:44] <tgm4883> atsc is the HD channels?
[09:44] <superm1> are you doing a scan on *all* qam transports, or only rescanning existing?
[09:44] <superm1> ATSC is used for digital over the air
[09:44] <tgm4883> ok
[09:45] <superm1> were you doing ATSC scans (when you should have been doing QAM)?
[09:45] <tgm4883> my tv is both qam and atsc capable.
[09:45] <tgm4883> Posiblly
[09:45] <tgm4883> i want to get the OTA channels that comcast provides.
[09:45] <superm1> but via qam
[09:45] <tgm4883> yea
[09:46] <superm1> go back in the scanner and make sure you chose the right options
[09:46] <tgm4883> currently i only get a few on my HD5500
[09:46] <tgm4883> sec, i have to install vnc on it.  No keyboard on it
[09:48] <tgm4883> ? are the repos down?
[09:48] <superm1> I know ubuntuforums was getting hammered really hard this morning
[09:48] <superm1> maybe archive.ubuntu.com is too
[09:49] <superm1> consider using a different mirror perhaps
[09:49] <tgm4883> i never did change them to my country, would that help?  It's simply making it us.archive.ubuntu.com right?
[09:50] <superm1> well I usually grab a local .edu mirror
[09:50] <tgm4883> whoa, just installed
[09:50] <superm1> they seem not to have a lot of load
[09:50] <tgm4883> ah, ill grab one a little later
[09:57] <tgm4883> ok, superm1, installed and ready, full scan, cable freq, qam 256, existing channels get minimal updates
[09:57] <superm1> right
[09:57] <tgm4883> ok, its scanning
[09:57] <tgm4883> i suppose its going to give me a long list of nothing channels again
[09:57] <superm1> Yup :*(
[09:57] <tgm4883> for some reason some channels i dont get have like 30 subchannels
[09:57] <superm1> on demand channels
[09:57] <superm1> that other users are watching
[09:57] <superm1> typically
[09:57] <tgm4883> ah
[09:58] <superm1> they are kinda useless to keep in there though since they are so unpredictable
[09:58] <tgm4883> yea i manually remove them each time
[09:59] <tgm4883> i finally plan on implementing my ir transmitting this weekend to my tv
[09:59] <tgm4883> so at least one of my projects will be finished
[10:00] <superm1> hopefully it works better for you then it did for me
[10:00] <superm1> what kind of tv again? (brand)
[10:00] <tgm4883> vizio
[10:00] <tgm4883> but they use LG codes for the remotes
[10:00] <tgm4883> i think thats who makes the screen
[10:00] <superm1> oh thats very convenient
[10:01] <tgm4883> your still doing ulive right?
[10:04] <superm1> Yup
[10:04] <superm1> You coming?
[10:05] <tgm4883> trying to, i have to see what my schedule is like for work
[10:05] <tgm4883> ill make a decision around the close of early admission
[10:05] <superm1> Ah.  Airfare is getting really pricey too
[10:05] <superm1> i just picked up my ticket two days ago.
[10:06] <superm1> it went up 178 dollars from two weeks ago
[10:06] <tgm4883> wow
[10:06] <tgm4883> been there done that
[10:06] <superm1> so at this point i'm wondering if there is any chance canonical might be in the mood for reimbursement for those talking?
[10:06] <superm1> or who to even talk to about that
[10:06] <superm1> keescook, would you know ^?
[10:08] <superm1> or maybe even subsidizing hotel costs or something to that effect
[10:08] <superm1> i guess at this point, any bit would help :)
[10:09] <keescook> superm1: honestly, I'm not sure how sponsorship works.  I'll get you some details.
[10:09] <superm1> cool thanks.
[10:10] <tgm4883> awesome, it found the missing channels
[10:11] <superm1> ah so you must have been doing the wrong scan before
[10:12] <tgm4883> yep i think so
[10:14] <tgm4883> Is there something in the works for .21 (or maybe im just setup wrong).  My HD5500 Gives me Fox, NBC, CBS, CW, PBS all in HD, (so does my motorola 6200) but if i schedule a show (ie 24) it will only record on the card that i originally told it to.  I think this is cause they are different channels (HD 5500 is 12_1, STB is 712)
[10:14] <superm1> you have both firewire and the hd5500?
[10:14] <superm1> i'm taking it
[10:15] <tgm4883> yea
[10:15] <superm1> well two possible solutions
[10:15] <superm1> either rename the channels on the hd5500 to match up with the stb
[10:15] <tgm4883> i thought about setting them both up using the same zap2it profile, but heard somewhere that it caused problems
[10:15] <superm1> or when scheduling, have it be allowed to record on any channel
[10:15] <tgm4883> ah
[10:16] <superm1> and just set the SD variant channels to lower priority
[10:16] <superm1> make sure its like -15 or -20
[10:16] <superm1> i got bit by that with heroes a week ago
[10:16] <tgm4883> i can set a channel priority?
[10:16] <superm1> yes
[10:16] <superm1> in the frontend
[10:16] <tgm4883> nice
[10:30] <superm1> good evenin Daviey
[10:31] <Daviey> evening, night or afternoon?
[10:31] <superm1> well you wanted me to start working UTC time sooo
[10:31] <superm1> lol
[10:31] <Daviey> arg. my main email server is down
[10:33] <superm1> ompaul, I was a bit curious, if I didn't turn on my IRC cloak, I get this message during login to freenode: You are exempt from K/D/G lines. congrats.
[10:33] <superm1> What does that actually mean?
[10:34] <ompaul> superm1, that is a strange one - let me see
[10:34] <ompaul> superm1, looks like a bug
[10:34] <ompaul> :)
[10:34] <Daviey> Sounds like a good thing!
[10:34] <superm1> it appears that i get some sort of native cloak too "nat/ibm/x-2da15b152997841b"
[10:35] <Daviey> ibm get special exception?
[10:36] <ompaul> ahh
[10:36] <ompaul> that might explain it all
[10:36] <ompaul> the node is not going to get killed
[10:36] <superm1> does ibm have an exemption from it?
[10:36] <ompaul> but if you cause grief from there
[10:37] <ompaul> normally the kline would do some kind of work around the ip
[10:37] <Daviey> ompaul, he's a known trouble maker IMHO
[10:37] <superm1> haha
[10:37] <ompaul> Daviey, this we know
[10:38] <ompaul> superm1,  it is like a condeference
[10:38] <ompaul> you can't take out 100 people if one of them is a fool but you can have the 99 looking for the one
[10:38] <ompaul> :)
[10:38] <ompaul> conference that is
[10:38] <superm1> ah
[10:40] <tgm4883> how do you add channel data to a channel that has the same station id as another channel?
[10:40] <tgm4883> that made no sense
[10:41] <superm1> huh
[10:41] <Daviey> why would it have the same station id?
[10:42] <tgm4883> if i have a tuner with some channels, and add a second tuner with the same stations (but on different channels) how do i go about adding channel data to those channels?
[10:42] <tgm4883> did that make more sense or more confusion?
[10:45] <tgm4883> superm1, basically the channels that i rescanned and found, they have no channel data (the have the same stnnum as on the STB 6200)
[10:45] <Daviey> if the channels are the same, you can share the data source
[10:46] <Daviey> don't need to repopulate
[10:46] <Daviey> that's one of the great things with relational databases :)
[10:46] <tgm4883> you mean a single zap2it profile?
[10:48] <tgm4883> I'm looking mythweb under channel info, but the only thing im comfortable changing in there is the xmltvid and name.
[10:50] <tgm4883> there is just not alot of info about that page, is there a manual or something for mythweb?
[11:31] <superm1> Daviey, did you run the iso yesterday and see the new options for the interface in ubiqiuty?
[11:32] <Daviey> no :(
[11:32] <Daviey> i've dl it tho
[11:32] <Daviey> need to reinstall vmplayer or something
[11:33] <Daviey> i wanted to do it today - but haven't really had a chance
[11:33] <superm1> just try virtualbox
[11:34] <superm1> its a pretty quick install
[11:34] <superm1> works as good (or better) than vmplayer
[11:34] <superm1> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.3.8/VirtualBox_1.3.8_Ubuntu_feisty_i386.deb
[11:37] <tgm4883> virtualbox no worky for me :(  it is  a great program though
[11:37] <DaveMorris> evening
[11:37] <superm1> afternoon DaveMorris
[11:37] <superm1> saw your comments on that bug about xmtv
[11:38] <superm1> thx
[11:38] <superm1> s/xmtv/xmltv
[11:38] <Daviey> virtualbox did give me hassle last time i tried. - it's based of qemu & kemu - so should be fast :)
[11:45] <DaveMorris> superm1: I assume I was correct about what I said
[11:45] <superm1> yes
[11:45] <superm1> i mean i dont know any way that we could go around it.  it really is an extra dep for a lot of people
[11:45] <DaveMorris> I don't use it, as I use the OTA packages in the UK
[11:46] <DaveMorris> also does Mythtv work without tv listings?
[11:46] <superm1> well it can function without them i'm pretty sure
[11:46] <DaveMorris> normal TV works without it, and is perfectly usable.
[11:46] <superm1> but i cant say i've ever tried
[11:47] <DaveMorris> btw whats expect of me in the CC meeting?
[11:48] <Daviey> 0.21 seems to split everything into 30min segments without listings (Unknown)
[11:48] <DaveMorris> actally my .20 worked without listings when the radio times stuff broke
[11:50] <superm1> DaveMorris, well show up, and speak up if they start asking questions :)
[12:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> tgm4883, where do I see what?
[12:02] <tgm4883> lol, the uptime, but that was resolved a while ago
[12:02] <tgm4883> thanks for the reply though
[12:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> sorry
[12:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> lol
[12:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> tgm4883, I'm actually looking at the display on gkrellm though
[12:04] <tgm4883> we got it figured out though, although i still cant find it though mythweb
[12:04] <tgm4883> ah
[12:04] <tgm4883> found it in the frontend
[12:05] <tgm4883> i only had 8 days, but had to restart today :(
[12:05] <tgm4883> i dont think something is working right and plan on needing another reboot in about 8 days


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[06:02] <davekimble> if you get past that and click Setup it gets to pairing but doesn't tell you what to do next - make the device connectable and type in the PIN and press enter. Anything else fails without explanation.
[09:38] <daifuco> hi im a gnome user, I am getting a low spec dell laptop today with ubuntu preisntalled. On my desktop I am mostly a gnome user with gnome apps, should I still consider lubuntu?
[09:38] <daifuco> or xubuntu is the natural choice
[09:39] <daifuco> what |I like of lubuntu is the plastik like looks, it reminds me of the old times. But I went back to linux and fell in love with gnome3 :P
[10:12] <qswz> is it possible to hide the lower taskbar?
[10:13] <qswz> and only show it when the mouse is at the bottom or on it
[10:16] <qswz> found it
[10:24] <qswz> why isn't lsof a command?
[15:10] <zerocool_> is any lubuntu developer here?
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