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 what is this bot?
[01:47] <ubptgbot> <C R> @mateosalta [its android. but one of the intresting things is they are doing some kind of aut …], I think.what we could do is to create more intense cache process (storing the actual ) HTML and basic images of the website. Pretty much you install the web app,  the first you run it is super slow (the cache process ).next time only. Have to.loa
[01:47] <ubptgbot> d the changes like mpg video where the data written is only the changes in the image and skips the file.that are the same.
[01:49] <ubptgbot> <C R> The cache could.even update on the background at nigth when the phone is plugged
 or bit by bit while browsing the site
[01:49] <ubptgbot> <C R> Is only 1 well.written app and the it would do the same for each website
[01:51] <ubptgbot> <C R> If we do it while browsing it would.impact.the.user experience,  but the.first time would.definetly.be like that
 here are some links i was looking at at one time
 Fwd from mateosalta: https://forum.qt.io/topic/83205/qml-webview-load-page-from-cache
 Fwd from mateosalta: http://blog.qt.io/blog/2011/04/29/http-caching-with-qt/
 Fwd from mateosalta: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkdiskcache.html
 if only someone implemented PWAs
 chromium already does caching
 you might be able to ship an initial state with the webapp
[01:54] <ubptgbot> <C R> For example a news app the phone could.load a portion of the.site at nigth, when you read it in the.morning is.already. there no.internet needed
[01:54] <ubptgbot> <C R> A web crawler would.do the job
 puffin is not doing anything magical. it's simply relying on the PWA support android already has in chrome
[01:54] <ubptgbot> <C R> @mateosalta [you might be able to ship an initial state with the webapp], Exactly
 the offline service worker works - but you cant put that in an allready existing website
 like this site: https://wiki-offline.jakearchibald.com/
 @C R [For example a news app the phone could.load a portion of the.site at nigth, when …], deferred loading isn't terribly helpful though. news will be outdated by the time you're on the train
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <C R> @dohbee [puffin is not doing anything magical. it's simply relying on the PWA support and …], That why.we don't. need to re invent the wheel it just aplying knowledge that is there just not implemented on ubuntu
 people don't want to only read the twitter/whatsapp/etc posts from last night on their way to school/work/whatever
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <C R> @dohbee [people don't want to only read the twitter/whatsapp/etc posts from last night on …], Is a concept,  having lastnight info.means you only have download today's
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <C R> Less bandwidth
[01:57] <ubptgbot> <C R> Faster
 you're making an assumption that web sites are already developed to work in that manner though
 for a native app where you can control things on the client and use an API to get data, that's more doable
 for web sites, it is not necessarily the case
 ad blockers, and visual noise blockers, make sites faster too
 uadblock :)
 @C R [Is a concept,  having lastnight info.means you only have download today's], plus will not completly blank out, if you hit a low signal area, and navigate
 @mateosalta [plus will not completly blank out, if you hit a low signal area, and navigate], i wouldn't make such assumptions about the code of others :)
[02:05] <ubptgbot> <C R> @mateosalta [plus will not completly blank out, if you hit a low signal area, and navigate], Exactly, Easy to.implement is not,  but it migth worth to.experiment with the idea
 @dohbee [i wouldn't make such assumptions about the code of others :)], I'm talking about loading parts of a site in advance - so that you can load locally the main ui - and store what you are looking at, not something on the server side
 @mateosalta [I'm talking about loading parts of a site in advance - so that you can load loca …], i know what you are talking about. that's not how the web works though.
 so if you hit a link not loaded, you can hit back, and that will load from your cache
 @mateosalta [so if you hit a link not loaded, you can hit back, and that will load from your …], that should already be happening
[02:08] <ubptgbot> <C R> When I see a wall I look for the stairs,  I don't.look at the wall that won't. take the other side
 search ddg -> click link -> turn on airport mode -> click back
 @mateosalta [search ddg -> click link -> turn on airport mode -> click back], congrats, you found a bug in morph?
 yeah, seems to not load anything from cache?
 i don't know. my nexus 5 has no network at all, so it can't load anything from anywhere :P
 :)
 but i mean, this is basically something chrom{e,ium} has been doing for a decade. it keeps near pages cached in memory and simply swaps out what is displayed. that was one of the tricks it originally was doing to be "the faster browser"
 hm, yeah. works on my desktop browsers. wonder if this is one of those flags - or perhaps the network error page is set to interupt instead of loading the recently cached page
 I think we want that, useful for switching between networks, or a slight dead spot
[02:20] <ubptgbot> pillsmansion was added by: pillsmansion
 @mateosalta [hm, yeah. works on my desktop browsers. wonder if this is one of those flags - o …], doubt a flag. it's a UI side implementation thing
 but doing it is problematic on lower powered devices too, as web views eat memory
 @ruedigerkupper [Yes, I know and supporting this would be a huge improvement. I agree this is the …], actually firefox doesn't store your passwords on a server
 @dohbee [if only someone implemented PWAs], what can pwas do that current webapps can't? except for notifs and camera access hmmm
 Another app in the same browser does not magically get more features
 uhhh hmmm
 Hello ! How can I install the yumi sticker pack that was mentioned in the Q&A 55?
 search for a post with a sticker from that pack in the group, right click, add.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/49crSGwR.webp
 [Edit] search for a post with a sticker from that pack in the group, click, add.
[07:18] <ubptgbot> Dago 1 was added by: Dago 1
 Grazie ! It is really simple 👍🙂
[07:38] <ubptgbot> BaHKoTo was added by: BaHKoTo
[08:51] <ubptgbot> <Dago 1> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/pC1Hf6Zx.webp
 @TotalSonic [seeing junk like that put out as an "alternative" definitely makes me even more …], I agree...
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kh0BDlUj.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YrHRH2rZ.webp
 oops
 is there a way install wicker app on ubuntu touch?
 allso are those telegram and protonmail apps being updated and by who they are made if not official.
[11:24] <ubptgbot> Cyjan was added by: Cyjan
 Hey!
 Hi :)
 I've joined here to get mental and spiritual support because I decided to flash my redmi note 4 to Ubuntu touch. Wish me luck
 You'll need more than luck, you'll need to port that device first 😉
 @advocatux [You'll need more than luck, you'll need to port that device first 😉], I know :]
 Ok, good luck then :)
 Thanks ^^
 https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/71
 @Cyjan [I've joined here to get mental and spiritual support because I decided to flash …], Hahahaha
 @advocatux [https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/71], Thank you ✌
 @Volfoni [Hello! I got two personalized wallpapers on my Aquaris M10 FHD that I can't remo …], Anyone??
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/aajg3B8C.png
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/1q0T1CYN.png
 What would you say if we could have another fingerprint
 I'd say I don't like fingerprint systems at all but maybe that's only me :)
 Ok
 Its work
 In xenial UT
 Apparently
 @Sconio [Its work], how is that? Do you own a Meizu Pro 5? Are you referring to the script which manually allows you to bring back that functionality for the MP5?
 @advocatux [I'd say I don't like fingerprint systems at all but maybe that's only me :)], I don't know, having some alternative fingerprints to use every now and then could be useful. 😂
 @GTAHTI [allso are those telegram and protonmail apps being updated and by who they are m …], What do you mean?
 @advocatux [I'd say I don't like fingerprint systems at all but maybe that's only me :)], I'm only experiencing fingerprint for real on my HTC 10 and I'd say it's definitely more convenient than passwords/passcodes/patterns 😁
 well not having a passphrase is more convenient too
 @GTAHTI [is there a way install wicker app on ubuntu touch?], i don't know what that is. if it's open though, or usable via web, you are welcome to develop an app or create a webapp package for it
 @GTAHTI [allso are those telegram and protonmail apps being updated and by who they are m …], `Telegram (unofficial)` is deprecated and being replaced by `TELEports`. The webapps are just fancy bookmarks. Protonmail is a webapp.
 @advocatux - hi mate have sent pm re what we spoke about couple of days back re emacs. Thanks.
[13:31] <ubptgbot> Cyan Magenta was added by: Cyan Magenta
 @dohbee [I don't know, having some alternative fingerprints to use every now and then cou …], lol
 @judicialdomicide [@advocatux - hi mate have sent pm re what we spoke about couple of days back re …], Reading it now :)
 @Sconio [What would you say if we could have another fingerprint], you can allready right?
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 @mateosalta [you can allready right?], not officially
 yes, you can break your rootfs and install some old packages from 15.04, which are not supported, and theoretically have fingerprint work again
 the mechinicasm to add more than one exists is what i mean
 oh, sure
 yeah - if you have working fingerprint. ;)
[14:21] <ubptgbot> André was added by: André
 @Chispasxdbot [Chispasxdbot was added by: dohbee], @advocatux @UniversalSuperBox @wayneoutthere ^^ i don't think we want such things in here, do we?
 Well, honestly anyone in the room could be a user bot without us knowing it
 But given it's named with spanix expletives I'll remove it. Maybe the owner will say something.
 spanish
 Don't know where that came from
 spanix is a new linux distro?
 :)
 WE FOUND THE NEW NAME GUIS
 @Chispasxdbot please, can you change your alias? Thank you :)
 (Photo, 1280x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/5606cA8h.png This neither :[
 all i see is glare
 but if you have questions about building halium, i'd suggest joining https://t.me/halium :)
[14:33] <Cyjan> Already googled it and found solution
 @advocatux [@Chispasxdbot please, can you change your alias? Thank you :)], @Adrianjm_98 seems to be the owner
 Also be sure to read over the "Getting help" section of http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html and https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html, @Cyjan
[14:34] <Cyjan> Thanks! I'll take a look
 Hi, does the UBPorts installer only work one time? I’m trying to reinstall nexus 5 using UBports install but stuck at “please reboot to bootloader” hold down volume down and power but phone is in bootloader and status unlocked. Tried closing and doing again same thing tried different cable same thing? Anyone got any suggestions o
[14:36] <ubptgbot> n how to reinstall?
 [Edit] Hi, does the UBPorts installer only work one time? I’m trying to reinstall nexus 5 using UBports installer but stuck at “please reboot to bootloader” hold down volume down and power but phone is in bootloader and status unlocked. Tried closing and doing again same thing tried different cable same thing? Anyone got any sugg
[14:36] <ubptgbot> estions on how to reinstall?
 you can use ADB to reboot to the bootloader
 @judicialdomicide [Hi, does the UBPorts installer only work one time? I’m trying to reinstall nexus …], is phone visible with "fastboot devices" ?
 I’m fairly new to this but no is the answer. Fastboot devices returns nothing in terminal
 @judicialdomicide [I’m fairly new to this but no is the answer. Fastboot devices returns nothing in …], Same Here ✋
 make sure cable is good and everything; if `fastboot devices` won't show the device while at bootloader screen, installer won't see it either. same for `adb devices` when in recovery or booted with developer mode enabled
 also check `dmesg` when you connect the device to make sure the PC sees it (and thus your cable isn't the problem)
 @Tea [Same Here ✋], phone is frozen after *successfull* install
 (assuming you're running on linux here)
 Yup
 Then run `sudo fastboot devices` for good measure too
 [Edit] @Chispasxdbot please, can you change your username? Thank you :)
 If your device is at the "dead Android" bootloader screen (or the waving Yumi if the installer already happened) and plugged in, `fastboot` will see it.
 USB cables fail pretty easily, we've had people go through 10 or more
 To find one good onw
 some distros are missing appropriate udev rules and permissions configurations too, so yeah, sometimes `sudo` is necessary
 @Sconio [What would you say if we could have another fingerprint], I was able to get my fingerprint reader on my Meizu Pro 5 by following the instructions at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396 - just scroll down to find an sh script you need to run - it works well after that
 @Tea [phone is frozen after *successfull* install], If it said successful first boot takes a long time
 @Sconio [What would you say if we could have another fingerprint], [Edit] I was able to get my fingerprint reader on my Meizu Pro 5 working by following the instructions at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396 - just scroll down to find an sh script you need to run - it works well after that
 @UniversalSuperBox [USB cables fail pretty easily, we've had people go through 10 or more], I recommend Anker usb cables. They have yet to let me down.
 i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again in only use them to connect devices via usb, and not for other activities
[15:16] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @UniversalSuperBox [Don't know where that came from], He joined under 2 usernames at the same time. Doesn't look like a bot from the bio. Not a nice name though.
[15:25] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again …], We used to go through a lot when we were getting 65 cent cheapos at the dime store. Since switching to the $4 to $5 range, we've only had two go out, usually to the kids not handling them properly, mostly used for charging only. Had a few us
[15:25] <ubptgbot> b ports go bad too. Probably for the same reason, but one cell shop tech told me that the cheapo usb cables also damage the ports.
[15:26] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again …], [Edit] We used to go through a lot when we were getting 65 cent cheapos at the dime store. Since switching to the $4 to $5 range, we've only had two go out, usually due to the kids not handling them properly, mostly used for charging only. H
[15:26] <ubptgbot> ad a few usb ports go bad too. Probably for the same reason, but one cell shop tech told me that the cheapo usb cables also damage the ports.
[15:26] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [i'm not sure if i've ever actually had a usb cable fail as such; but then again …], [Edit] We used to go through a lot when we were getting 65 cent cheapos at the dime store. Since switching to the $4 to $5 range, we've only had two go out, usually due to the kids not handling them properly, mostly used for charging only. H
[15:26] <ubptgbot> ad a few usb ports go bad too. Probably for the same reason, but one cell repair shop tech told me that the cheapo usb cables also damage the ports.
 @mateosalta [If it said successful first boot takes a long time], Well...read about that, yes..... … But certainly not 14+ hours
 @Tea [Well...read about that, yes..... … But certainly not 14+ hours], Thats a brick
 No, it's not. The device still boots to bootloader
 Hi, is the critical bug for the M10HD still pausing the latest RC?
 yes
 M10 (F)HD, BQ E4.5 and E5
 Ok thanks Sir.
 Understood.
 Are the BQ's a large part of the user base?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/AnWYl8y1.jpeg
 @Tea [Well...read about that, yes..... … But certainly not 14+ hours], true
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/NBD5Jpqp.webp
 @Cyjan [<reply to media>], what.. is made?  :)
 I figure if Tygerpro is pumped it's a port?
 Thats what Im presuming, Ive been banging my head on the wall trying to find a AOSP port for the snapdragon variant of my galaxy note 8, Ive been seeing all exynos versions
 Well. Ok. Whatever you do, do it with passion.
 Im about ready to give up for now and see about getting the exynos variant and see if I can get that to port
[16:53] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Tygerpro [Im about ready to give up for now and see about getting the exynos variant and s …], Exynos is slower, isn't it?
 @wayneoutthere [what.. is made?  :)], Halium ^^ installing Ubuntu touch now :D
 Yeah, by like .03GHz iirc, but theres no known unlock for the snapdragon bootloader Nd the methods for Custom ROMs that do exist are for older boot loaders
[16:55] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> I wasn't thinking of GHz so much as less powerful cpu.
 what bootloader does it use?
 @John (Marlin) [I wasn't thinking of GHz so much as less powerful cpu.], well "less powerful" is a very loaded term.
[16:56] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> I haven't seen benchmarks.
 and irrelevant for wanting to port UT really
[16:57] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> UT does seem like a light OS for older phones. No lag on my Nexus 5 at all.
 @Cyjan [Halium ^^ installing Ubuntu touch now :D], woooooooah! that *is* something
 @dohbee [what bootloader does it use?], The note 8? Its whatever Samsung decided to put on there, on my snapdragon variant its fully locked, and as far as I can tell Samsung isnt gonna release an unlocker, and no one has been able to unlock it
 @Tygerpro [The note 8? Its whatever Samsung decided to put on there, on my snapdragon varia …], the option isn't in developer settings?
 Not even listed on snapdragon, it is listed on exynos
 huh
 I know, its weird, the exynos has a OEM unlock in developer settings, the snapdragon doesnt, I just double checked
 @wayneoutthere [woooooooah! that *is* something], Yea:D hope it won't break my phone ;p
 I recommend soothing classical guitar music when you do it.
 like Leonard Cohen?
 Laughing Lenny.
 Guysss
 @wayneoutthere [I recommend soothing classical guitar music when you do it.], Okey hehe
 But i have problem :|
 Where is halium-boot.img located
 :|
 I found only hybris-boot.img but I bet it's not what I need
 Oney
 [Edit] Okey
 Nvm
 Figured it out
 Undo
 Still not figured it oit
 [Edit] Still not figured it out
 Did you build halium-boot
 I think so :|
 @Cyjan [I found only hybris-boot.img but I bet it's not what I need], I'll send this to boot
 Hope it will work
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 Read over that section again, make sure it's built
 And @ubports_porting has the topic that you're probably looking for
 Okey thanks!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kHUqQYkc.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dc1K6IVH.null
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], ...
 sudo chmod +x fingerprint.sh … sudo ./fingerprint.sh … by Ruben,
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 Thankx Ruben
 Awesome indeed!
 :+)
 Nice wok !
 [Edit] Thank You @rubencarneiro
 Work perfectly
 Is was not by me
 nice.... that's something indeed! today is national "Day of Something"
 It was from github discussion
 But i think is not a viable solution, since it uses vivid packages because gcc etc.
 Better solution was compile the biometry blob
 To work on 16.04
 @rubencarneiro [Better solution was compile the biometry blob], which we can't do. better solution would be to find a way to get it working via open source methods using hybris
 @dohbee [which we can't do. better solution would be to find a way to get it working via …], Yes write a new api to work with bionic was better
 For now this ia just a hack
 The credits goes to AlainW94 on github issue.
 It's good enough to be able to use it, thank you very much.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/396
[20:00] <Cyjan> Hey.. I think that I have problem :| I can't connect to helium over ssh, but i did it over telnet
[20:00] <Cyjan> But still it's not what I want because it's just not working :|
[20:16] <Cyjan> I'll end up flashing TWRP (again!) for today... :[
 Is the rc channel somewhat stable for daily use?
 yes
 @judicialdomicide [Is the rc channel somewhat stable for daily use?], Yes - I have been using RC on my daily driver for over 6 months now with no problems due to it.
 I use RC on my daily driver as well 👌
[21:18] <flaburgan> hi everyone
[21:18] <flaburgan> can anyone tell me where I can find applications logs?
[21:18] <flaburgan> signal is now crashing immediately when started
 under `~/.cache/upstart/` directory
[21:30] <flaburgan> thx
[21:30] <flaburgan> wow, my terminal has a weird behavior when tabbing to autocomplete application-click-textsecure.nanuc_textsecure_ 0.4.1.log
[21:31] <flaburgan> it breaks on the _ and continue writing on the *exact same line* so where my prompt is
[21:31] <flaburgan> okay so it looks like I have my error:
[21:31] <flaburgan> 2019/07/31 23:17:44 .:0: error calling result "An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient; type=\"method_call\", sender=\":1.249\" (uid=32011 pid=32533 comm=\"textsecure \") interface=\"com.canonical.libertine.Service.Operations\" member=\"list\" error name=\"(unset)\" requested_reply=\"0\" destination=\"com.canonical.libertine.Service\" (uid=32011 pid=4114 comm=\"/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/libertined \")"
[21:33] <flaburgan> I don't remember touching anything related to apparmor
 ignore apparmor messages about libertine. they are not fatal, and not related
[21:38] <flaburgan> hm
[21:38] <flaburgan> so the crash message is not here?
[21:38] <flaburgan> I setup a libertine container, just to have one and see if it changes anything
[21:38] <flaburgan> I never played with libertine and am curious
 well it may not necessarily be crashing. but i'd have to see the whole log before i could say anything
 if the app simply fails to start or just exits, it might look like a crash, but it isn't. the splash screen is not part of the app itself, but implemented in the shell side
[21:44] <flaburgan> @dohbee the app was working well until one or 2 days ago
[21:44] <flaburgan> and wasn't updated
 ok. well the apparmor message is surely not the entire content of the app's log is it?
 you can also check `unity8.log` to see if anything is there about the app exiting and such
[21:47] <flaburgan> the full log is there: https://github.com/nanu-c/textsecure-qml/issues/67
[21:48] <flaburgan> unity8.log is empty since that morning, even if I had a unity restart writing a text message a few hours ago
[21:48] <flaburgan> no wait, it's just that less isn't working well
 the log is cutoff in that issue
[21:49] <flaburgan> I should copy the log file on my computer and read them from there
[21:51] <flaburgan> yeah that's way better, sorry to be noobish here
 are you reading via adb?
[21:52] <flaburgan> I updated the github issue
[21:52] <flaburgan> yes
[21:52] <flaburgan> can I ssh to the device?
[21:52] <flaburgan> I'm way more used to that
 oh yeah, adb is not a real terminal
 you can enable ssh and then use ssh yes
[21:52] <flaburgan> though I guess a ssh server on a phone isn't very secure
[21:53] <flaburgan> but so cool to do
[21:53] <flaburgan> how can I do that
 @flaburgan [though I guess a ssh server on a phone isn't very secure], it's secure enough. doesn't accept password, or root by default, and doesn't bind to the ril, only wifi (and it can be routed over adb too)
 @flaburgan [how can I do that], http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
[21:54] <flaburgan> panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference
[21:54] <flaburgan> [signal SIGSEGV: segmentation violation code=0x1 addr=0x8 pc=0x391c44]
[21:54] <flaburgan> looks like we have our crash log, btw :p
 yep, that's a panic
[21:55] <flaburgan> sudo android-gadget-service enable ssh
[21:55] <flaburgan> this was the command I didn't know
[21:55] <flaburgan> I know nothing about android
[21:57] <flaburgan> signal is an application updated very often, and is a security application
[21:58] <flaburgan> I guess I shouldn't run an app which doesn't have enough resources to be built
[21:58] <flaburgan> unfortunately...
[21:59] <flaburgan> can I run the apk with anbox?
[21:59] <flaburgan> is anbox running on UT now?
 maybe, but many things won't work
 anbox is still super experimental
[21:59] <flaburgan> http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
[21:59] <flaburgan> I should RTFM :p
[22:01] <flaburgan> wow, I need to reboot to the bootloader to install it? Oo
 you need to flash a new kernel yes
 it is experimental
[22:08] <flaburgan> ok
[22:08] <flaburgan> let's have fun
[22:08] <flaburgan> 43 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[22:08] <flaburgan> wow, looks like I find more updates with apt-get than with the gui
[22:09] <flaburgan> should I do those upgrades?
[22:09] <flaburgan> there is unity8 in them
 no
 apt upgrading is not supported
[22:12] <flaburgan> okay
[22:12] <flaburgan> well... my device is full
[22:13] <flaburgan> I tried to add a libertine container, and now I have 0 free space on /
[22:13] <flaburgan> in "managing container" I don't have any option to delete it
 libertine doesn't take space on / at all
[22:13] <flaburgan> (thank you so much for helping me @dohbee, I'm learning so many things!)
 rootfs is already "full" as shipped
[22:14] <flaburgan> oh? Then it has been fulled by something else
[22:15] <flaburgan> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[22:15] <flaburgan> this is the error I have when trying to install anbox
[22:15] <flaburgan> "something" filled the phone for sure
[22:15] <flaburgan> df -h: /dev/loop0                      2.0G  1.9G     0 100% /
 the apt cache is
 you can bind mount a dir from a writable location on top of `/var/cache/apt` though
[22:17] <flaburgan> sudo apt clean freed 57M
[22:17] <flaburgan> can I apt install ncdu?
 as i said, apt is not supported
[22:18] <flaburgan> hm... but the tuto for anbox is using apt install anbox-ubuntu-touch
[22:18] <flaburgan> okay nevermind I'll just trust you :p
 yes, for a very specific thing. general install of things from apt is not supported
[22:19] <flaburgan> ok
[22:21] <flaburgan> how can I make some space for the installation to succeed?
 `mkdir -p /home/phablet/apt && sudo mount --bind /home/phablet/apt /var/cache/apt && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install anbox-ubuntu-touch`
[22:30] <flaburgan> is there a way to ssh over usb instead of WiFi?
[22:39] <flaburgan> did I miss something, or http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html#how-to-install-new-apks makes me install adb *on the device itself*?
[22:40] <flaburgan> because (obviously?) adb devices answer "error: device not found"
[22:48] <flaburgan> I added FP2 hardware ID
[22:48] <flaburgan> but that doesn't change anything, the device can't find itself
[23:04] <flaburgan> still no success
[23:04] <flaburgan> I found this thread but it doesn't contain a solution https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26782856/using-adb-locally-on-device-loopback-shows-no-devices
[23:05] <flaburgan> I'll try again tomorrow
[23:05] <flaburgan> good night everyone
[23:15] <ubptgbot> Mc_yolodude was added by: Mc_yolodude
[23:16] <ubptgbot> micycle_bit was added by: Mc_yolodude
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[00:26] <lifeless> off for a bit, back later to talk with bigjools
[00:50] <thumper> oh FFS
[00:52] <thumper> anyone else getting make build fail?
[00:52] <wgrant> thumper: JS issues?
[00:52] <thumper> OSError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call
[00:52] <thumper> writing WADL
[00:52] <wgrant> Ah, not the same one then.
[00:52] <wgrant> I've not seen that.
[00:52]  * thumper is frustrated
[00:53]  * thumper repulls
[01:02] <wgrant> Is ec2 land broken for anyone else? NameError: global name 'AuthorizeRequestTokenWithBrowser' is not defined
[01:13] <thumper> wgrant: I can't even get make build running on devel
[01:14] <thumper> mwhudson: can you do a 'make clean build' on devel for me?
[01:15] <thumper> mwhudson: I want to see if it is just me :)
[01:15] <mwhudson> thumper: i'm running make build now as it happens
[01:15] <wgrant> Ah, updating just pulled in a new launchpadlib.
[01:15] <mwhudson> thumper: i want it to work though, so i'm not going to pull/make clean just yet :)
[01:15] <thumper> it seems that the WADL generation is failing
[01:16] <wgrant> thumper: WADL build worked on an up-to-date devel.
[01:16] <thumper> I'm trying to run a test, and it fails too
[01:16] <thumper> and I don't know why
[01:16] <wgrant> Although I didn't clean.
[01:16] <thumper> wgrant: didn't for me :(
[01:17]  * wgrant cleans.
[01:17]  * thumper tries yet again
[01:17] <mwhudson> hm
[01:17] <mwhudson> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: './lib/canonical/launchpad/icing/yui/dom/dom-style-ie-min.js'
[01:17] <wgrant> mwhudson: rm -r lazr-js/build
[01:17] <mwhudson> the thing i love about launchpad development is the reliable infrastructure
[01:18] <mwhudson> wgrant: thanks
[01:22] <wgrant> thumper: A clean devel build worked fine too :(
[01:22] <thumper> it worked for me now
[01:22] <thumper> test still failed
[01:23] <wgrant> Uh.
[01:23] <wgrant> launchpadlib 1.9.1 is broken.
[01:23] <wgrant> launchpadlib/launchpad.py:206 references a class that no longer exists...
[01:25] <mwhudson> nice
[01:31] <mwhudson> http://www.netsight.co.uk/misc/xkcd-buildout.png/view
[01:32] <lifeless> \o/
[01:32] <wgrant> Yup.
[01:33] <wgrant> I wonder if versions.cfg will like me downgrading launchpadlib to 1.6.5.
[01:36] <mwhudson> that's quite a big downgrade?
[01:36] <lifeless> no
[01:36] <lifeless> the version numbers had quite a big upgrade
[01:36] <mwhudson> heh ok
[01:37] <wgrant> Yay, ec2 works again.
[01:43] <mhall119> can someone tell me why this user is only having their identity URL passed back in the OpeniD response? http://ubuntuone.com/p/X2P/
[01:57] <maxb> mhall119: LP only gives more than the identity URL to sites it has specifically been told to trust
[01:59] <Ronnie> maxb: can you explain the differences between these 2 screenshots:
[01:59] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/X2O/
[01:59] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/X2P/
[01:59] <Ronnie> both share the same root site, but got other response from lp
[01:59] <maxb> huh. no, I cannot explain that
[02:00] <StevenK> Different account
[02:00] <StevenK> Look at the top line, "Logged in as"
[02:02] <maxb> yes... but... why should that influence what data is passed?
[02:04] <StevenK> maxb: I have no idea, but it's a difference
[02:06] <Ronnie> maxb, StevenK ill try if i can get the openid request to lp
[02:15] <Ronnie> this is the form HTML that is submitted to LP: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551335/
[02:15] <Ronnie> for the user Ronnie
[03:28] <wgrant> StevenK, maxb: I wonder if that account might not be linked to a Launchpad one.
[03:28] <wgrant> Not sure how to check.
[03:39] <maxb> Actually.... how does the login service know about LP team participation at all?
[03:40] <maxb> Is the crazy cross-replica replication thingy still in place?
[03:41] <wgrant> maxb: Yeah, it's all a bit nauseating.
[03:41] <wgrant> We have triggers copying account, person and teamparticipation into lp_account, lp_person and lp_teamparticipation. Those three are replicated to the SSO DB.
[03:45] <wgrant> I hope to eventually coerce people into doing it via the API instead.
[03:45] <wgrant> But everyone seems happy enough with this replication madness...
[03:57] <wgrant> Hm.
[03:57] <wgrant> Almost bug #700000
[04:11]  * spm starts filing bugs like a crazy bug filer
[04:15] <mwhudson> spm: if they're all about loggerhead, no fair
[04:15] <spm> mwhudson: no worries. I've gotten bored with reporting codebounce bugs anyway.
[04:18] <rockstar> thumper, keep your own bugs. :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/691563
[04:18] <_mup_> Bug #691563: bundle merge plugin needs refactoring to improve how it handles errors and send emails <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/691563 >
[04:18] <thumper> rockstar: it seemed to me it was a tarmac bug
[04:18] <thumper> the code was in tarmc
[04:18] <rockstar> thumper, no, launchpad maintains a fork of tarmac, and the bug is in that fork.
[04:19] <thumper> ah...
[04:19] <thumper> why does it have a fork?
[04:19] <thumper> that seems like bollocks
[04:19] <rockstar> thumper, because that bundle merge plugin is kind of bollocks.
[04:19] <rockstar> It's necessary for launchpad because the test suite takes so long.
[04:20]  * thumper sighs
[04:20] <thumper> rockstar: shouldn't the plugin be a separate project
[04:20] <thumper> ?
[04:20] <thumper> or part of the LP tree?
[04:20] <rockstar> thumper, no idea.  That's for the maintainer to sort out.
[04:21]  * thumper sighs again
[04:21] <rockstar> It might *kinda* be Tarmac's problem since plugins don't seem to play as well with Tarmac as they do with bzrlib.  I need to investigate that.
[04:22] <mwhudson> wow, 'make build' just takes a ridiculous length of time now
[04:22]  * thumper gets hit by the friday afternoon bug
[04:22] <mwhudson> it could hardly be worse if lp was written in c++ :(
[04:22] <thumper> mwhudson: that it does :(
[04:22] <rockstar> thumper, yeah, I hit that about noon today.
[04:23] <rockstar> mwhudson, are you going to the launchpad epic?
[04:23] <mwhudson> rockstar: no
[04:23] <mwhudson> going to the rally though
[04:23] <thumper> mwhudson: ha... you miss out on the beer I was going to buy you
[04:23] <rockstar> mwhudson, ah, I thought that was this week.
[04:23] <thumper> rockstar: no, next
[04:23] <mwhudson> if i'm going to spend 2 weeks away from home for work, it's not going to be in january
[04:23] <thumper> rockstar: you aren't going either are you?
[04:24]  * thumper wanders out of the office
[04:24] <rockstar> thumper, no.  lifeless suggested it, but with U1 web losing a member soon, they won't spare the week for me to go.
[04:24] <rockstar> I might have pushed harder if it wasn't in Dallas
[04:25]  * mwhudson imagines that possibly uds-o will be more popular
[04:37] <mwhudson> wgrant: did you unbreak ec2 land yet?
[04:37] <wgrant> mwhudson: Probably needs a leonardr.
[04:37] <mwhudson> ok
[04:38] <wgrant> mwhudson: I just hacked versions.cfg back to launchpadlib 1.6.5
[04:38] <wgrant> Then reran buildout.
[04:38] <wgrant> All works.
[04:38]  * mwhudson uses ec2 land from db-devel instead
[04:52] <mwhudson> time for beer
[04:52] <mwhudson> see some of you in dallas, i guess
[06:24] <pcjc2> are all the scripts / pre-written sql / .... available in the LP sources?
[06:24] <pcjc2> I saw mention of LOSA scripts somewhere, and wondered where they lived. (This was for playing with my local dev instance)
[06:26] <wgrant> Most things should be scripts in the tree.
[06:27] <wgrant> The LOSAs don't much like running SQL directly.
[06:28] <pcjc2> thanks
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[09:07] <mrevell> Hello
[09:18] <adeuring> good morning
[09:29] <lifeless> bigjools: hi
[09:29]  * bigjools wearily waves to lifeless
[09:29] <lifeless> you need more sleep?
[09:30] <bigjools> sleep, drugs, you name it
[09:31] <lifeless> ugh
[09:31] <lifeless> hope you're better for the thunderpic
[09:31] <lifeless> so you wanted to talk realtime; I don't know if its urgent to do so or not, but i've split my day today so we can, nowish, if you want to.
[09:31] <bigjools> should be ok for the epidome, thanks
[09:32] <bigjools> lifeless: yeah, it would be useful to talk.  How much longer are you around?
[09:32] <lifeless> its 10:30 pm now
[09:32] <bigjools> oh, arse
[09:32] <lifeless> so I'm here
[09:33] <lifeless> but not hugely awake, definitely not going to be capable of rational thought for much longer :)
[09:33] <bigjools> so, let me explain the problem
[09:33] <lifeless> would voice be better?
[09:33] <bigjools> and then you can decide if you want to leave it until later
[09:33] <bigjools> yeah, if you can put up with my blocked-sinuses-voice
[09:34] <bigjools> I'll just fire up the Quattro
[09:35] <lifeless> I can
[09:35] <bigjools> I'm on mumble
[09:36] <lifeless> skype would be better mumble is still unbearable for me
[09:36] <bigjools> ok
[09:36] <lifeless> is that ok?
[09:36] <bigjools> yup
[09:37] <bigjools> now if skype would just connect
[09:37] <lifeless> >-<
[09:38] <bigjools> it's not connecting :/
[09:39] <lifeless> I can ring your phone ?
[09:39] <bigjools> it's finally in
[09:39] <lifeless> hah, that threat made it connect
[10:02] <lifeless> bigjools: https://dev.launchpad.net/Foundations/JobSystem
[10:37] <jcsackett> henninge: i see your branch merged, how's it going?
[10:37] <henninge> jcsackett: going well, we have not encountered any other problems.
[10:41] <jcsackett> henninge: cool. can we qa-ok the blocked revision by 1400 UTC (i believe that's 1pm your time)?
[10:42] <henninge> jcsackett: I was still waiting fot the build to finish - which I just see it has. ;)
[10:43] <henninge> and it's 3pm my time (GMT+1 in the winter)
[10:43] <henninge> ;)
[10:43] <jcsackett> henninge: time zones are hard. :-P
[10:45] <jtv> henninge: interesting obstacle to Q/A… I don't have permission to set Launchpad usage on a test project in staging!
[10:45] <jtv> Yet I *can* access the form.  Just can't post.
[10:45] <henninge> jcsackett: technically I'd have to wait for the revision to be available on staging and verify that all is running well. We'll be doing more of that today.
[10:45] <henninge> jtv: url?
[10:45] <jtv> henninge: https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/wdiff/+configure-translations
[10:46] <henninge> ah, danilo just did that. Maybe the permissions issue slipped qa?
[10:46] <jtv> jcsackett: you worked on the new model for setting LP usage, right?
[10:46] <jtv> henninge: danilo just did what?
[10:46] <henninge> jtv: that page
[10:46] <jtv> Well grr.
[10:47] <allenap> gmb: I got that weird thing with kwallet yesterday. I purged kdebase-runtime to get rid of it.
[10:47] <henninge> I reviewed it  ... and did some qa.
[10:47] <jcsackett> jtv: yeah, some time ago. if you have .Edit permission on that project you should be able to change it.
[10:47] <gmb> allenap: Ok, Ta. I'll give that a shot
[10:48] <jtv> jcsackett: I don't, but I have Translation admin privs.
[10:48] <henninge> jtv: I, too, would have assumed I could do it as a rosetta admin.
[10:48] <jtv> We used to be able to do it.
[10:48] <jcsackett> jtv: actually, i think that should do it too.
[10:48] <jcsackett> jtv: translations were a little odd for the usage stuff (more roles to think about), i believe we went with as permissive a model as possible.
[10:48] <jtv> And it works partially: I do get to access the form.  Only a POST breaks on me.
[10:49] <jcsackett> jtv: that does sound like a bug.
[10:49] <jtv> Rather.
[10:49] <henninge> jtv: you can set the translation focus
[10:49] <henninge> and the other stuff on that page
[10:49] <jtv> Evidently.
[10:50] <jtv> Just not usage, then.
[10:50] <henninge> They used to be on different forms.
[10:51] <henninge> This is not a regression, though. We weren't allowed to do that before either. We don't have Edit rights on projects.
[10:51] <jtv> I thought we were allowed to set usage though.
[10:52] <henninge> jtv: it's not "official rosetta" anymore, remember?
[10:52] <henninge> official_rosetta
[10:52] <jtv> So?
[10:52] <jtv> We could set usage.
[10:52] <jtv> We're being told we can still set usage.
[10:52] <jtv> We can't set usage.
[10:52] <jtv> → Bug.
[10:52] <henninge> ok
[10:53] <henninge> but then the bug is older than the creation of this new dialog?
[10:55] <henninge> jtv: you should find a prooject owned by registry admins.
[10:55] <jtv> ☹
[10:55] <henninge> jtv: we are part of that team and so have edit rights on the projects
[10:55] <henninge> I use gedit
[10:56] <jtv> Thanks.
[10:56] <henninge> gedit project.
[10:56] <jtv> That should be in main.  ☺
[10:58] <henninge> ah yes, in main
[11:41] <bigjools> If I type "launchpad" in the product search popup it says "too many matches" ....
[11:48] <jcsackett> henninge: can you qa bug 690196 and bug 694703, or does doing so depend on the fix we're waiting on for staging?
[11:48] <_mup_> Bug #690196: POTMsgSet.singular_text may need to be a method <lp-translations> <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by henninge> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/690196 >
[11:48] <_mup_> Bug #694703: Make partial translations exports work for upstream <qa-needstesting> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by henninge> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/694703 >
[11:55] <henninge> jcsackett: looking now.
[13:10] <bigjools> how the heck can I end up with lib/mailman/Mailman/MemberAdaptor.pyc being owned by root?
[13:12] <jcsackett> henninge: sorry to keep pestering you, but we're about 50 min from the original time for merge--how's it looking?
[13:17] <henninge> jcsackett: one qa still missing but I just igned off the big one.
[13:18] <jcsackett> henninge: fantastic! :-)
[13:18] <bigjools> jcsackett: when is PQM closing?
[13:19] <jcsackett> bigjools: i think we're still going with 1400 UTC, as henninge is in a position to qa everything blocking db-stable before then, i think.
[13:19] <bigjools> ok.  Bugger.
[13:19] <jcsackett> bigjools: what are you trying to land?
[13:20] <bigjools> it's a one-liner to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/699820
[13:20] <_mup_> Bug #699820: BuildFarmJob.date_finished is set in two places <buildd-manager> <buildfarm> <tech-debt> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by julian-edwards> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/699820 >
[13:20] <bigjools> I need it so I can do a graph
[13:20] <bigjools> so not desperately urgent but kinda annoying :)
[13:20] <jcsackett> bigjools: dig.
[13:20] <bigjools> I can always ask for RC forgiveness
[13:20]  * jcsackett nods.
[13:20] <bigjools> I'll grab you later, thanks
[13:21] <jcsackett> np. :-)
[13:21]  * bigjools goes to eat while tests are running
[13:22] <jcsackett> henninge: if you were able to qa-ok the big one, that implies bug 697845 is good too, right?
[13:22] <_mup_> Bug #697845: Translations import script on staging fails <oops> <qa-needstesting> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by henninge> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/697845 >
[13:23] <jcsackett> i am looking at it now and can mark it as such if you agree.
[13:23] <bigjools> having said that, I've got some weird shit
[13:23] <jcsackett> ?
[13:23] <bigjools> running "make" or "bin/test" is blocking on opening the KDE wallet (like the gnome keyring)
[13:23] <bigjools> WTF
[13:24] <jcsackett> bigjools: the kde wallet is now used by launchpadlib, right? of course, that shouldn't come up in make...
[13:24] <bigjools> urrrgghhh really?
[13:24] <bigjools> this Is Bad (TM).
[13:25] <bigjools> bin/compile_templates does it too
[13:26] <jcsackett> bigjools: make clean it first, maybe? that seems to be the magic fix from time to time.
[13:26] <bigjools> I did that :/
[13:26] <jcsackett> one sec; i'll update my devel and see if i can replicate.
[13:27] <bigjools> bin/compile_templates
[13:27] <bigjools> (32547) KWallet::Wallet::openWallet: Pass a valid window to KWallet::Wallet::openWallet().
[13:28] <bigjools> it works, except when running the tests as the librarian fails to start
[13:28] <bigjools> re-created it on 2 desktops now :/
[13:29] <bigjools> yeah, it seems to be launchpadlib
[13:30] <jcsackett> it didn't replicate on mine, but then i realized i am a fool to think it would--i don't have wallet/keyring.
[13:31] <bigjools> ah
[13:31] <bigjools> what do you have?
[13:31] <jcsackett> sorry, bigjools.
[13:31] <jcsackett> i use wmii--so nothing.
[13:31]  * jcsackett likes keyboard controls
[13:32] <jcsackett> this is for my dev environment--i keep my launchpad stuff all set up in a VM.
[13:36] <bigjools> I sent an email to -dev
[13:36] <bigjools> it's caused by the log line above and the librarian layer sees "unclean output"
[13:39] <jcsackett> henninge: we need qa for bug 694703
[13:39] <_mup_> Bug #694703: Make partial translations exports work for upstream <qa-needstesting> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by henninge> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/694703 >
[13:39] <pcjc2> hi guys.. have a bit of a problem - trying to setup bugmail to go to our old mailing list (mailman)
[13:40] <pcjc2> but bugmail appears to originate from the LP account holder, not LP its-self. Is there any known way to make it work without having to accept non-members postings?
[13:43] <maxb> pcjc2: Can Mailman accept based on the presence of a header? If so, match on an X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: header being present
[13:43] <pcjc2> couldn't see it, but will investigate
[14:00] <pcjc2> maxb: Testing now - there is a spam filter which lets me match on headers
[14:00] <pcjc2> (and choose to accept a message based on a given match) - but I'm not sure if it will get that far for a non-subscribed user... waiting for bugmail to be sent out, and we'll see ;)
[14:01] <pcjc2> (Is bugmail a cronjob?)
[14:22] <bigjools> benji: pingaling
[14:22] <benji> bigjools: heh
[14:22] <bigjools> benji: francis said you might be able to help with my launchpadlib problem - did you see my email to -dev?
[14:23] <benji> I don't think so, let me look.
[14:23] <bigjools> ok, thanks
[14:24] <benji> bigjools: bummer; let me fire up my KDE VM and see if there's anything I can do about it
[14:24] <bigjools> benji: the issue is that the stupid piece of crap PyKDE4 library is logging debug output :/
[14:25] <bigjools> which makes the librarianlayer blow chunks
[14:25] <benji> yep
[14:25] <bigjools> though why that layer needs to use launchpadlib is interesting
[14:31] <bigjools> I am looking at the PyKDE4 module to see if it has any "stop logging" parameters
[14:31] <benji> +1
[14:39] <pcjc2> https://launchpad.net/~pcb-bugs
[14:39] <pcjc2> Is there anyway to make mail sent to that address come _from_ some fixed address, such as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[14:39] <pcjc2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is going to bounce any non-subscribed users bug comments, which is not what we want
[14:40] <bigjools> benji: I can see the problem, it's a bug in the keyring module
[14:40] <bigjools> it's passing 2 args instead of 3
[14:40] <bigjools> when calling openWallet
[14:40] <pcjc2> And I've checked.. it isn't apparently possible to accept mail based on a header at that stage. Can spam filter it by headers... but mails from non-subscribed addresses are dropped into the moderation queue before the spam filter would get a chance to accept them
[14:41] <benji> if that's the code I think it is, that's intentional (perhaps still a bug, but intentional); let me look at it
[14:42] <benji> the above was directed toward bigjools
[14:42] <bigjools> benji: http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/kdeui/KWallet.Wallet.html#obj188009484
[14:42] <bigjools> "You can pass 0 if you don't have a window"
[14:43]  * bigjools haxors
[14:50] <bigjools> no luck
[14:53] <benji> bigjools: right, 0 won't reduce the spurious output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/551502/
[14:53] <bigjools> yeah just saw that
[14:53] <bigjools> http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/kwallet_8cpp_source.html#l00257
[14:53] <bigjools> it's using the kDebug ostream, there must be a way of changing that
[14:53] <bigjools> log level
[14:55] <bigjools> "kdebugdialog"
[14:55] <bigjools> now, how do we script that
[14:58] <bigjools> crap, it doesn't actually help
[15:13] <bigjools> benji: it seems as though it's impossible to turn that output off :/
[15:13] <bigjools> there's a bug in the logger somewhere
[15:14] <benji> bigjools: I'm pursuing making a do-nothing window to pass it so it won't log the message
[15:14] <bigjools> that'll work
[15:19] <benji> bigjools: will you try this patch to see if it fixes it for you? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/551508/
[15:19] <bigjools> yup, one sec
[15:19]  * benji turns on the coffee pot in the meantime.
[15:25] <bigjools> benji: success!  I had to use this diff though: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/551512/
[15:26] <benji> bigjools: correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks the same sans some whitespace
[15:26] <benji> (same as my patch)
[15:26] <bigjools> benji: you were using "kwallet_module"
[15:27] <bigjools> that's not in my egg's code
[15:27] <benji> oh, I'm using the trunk which changed that a little, cool
[15:27] <bigjools> mine was grabbed not so long ago, is it out of date already?
[15:28] <benji> the current python-keyring trunk hasn't been released; I'll make this change and do a release today
[15:28] <bigjools> ah ok
[15:28] <bigjools> you probably want to add a comment about that weird code :)
[15:30] <bigjools> benji: thanks a million for helping, I am unblocked


[06:26] <White_Light> I found someone hitting the same issues with the debian build scripts, acpidbg fails to build
[06:26] <White_Light> https://gitlab.com/snippets/1713199
[06:29] <White_Light> I'm on 16.04, and acpidbg is the only thing that fails during the build process, removing all references to acpidbg in 2-binary-arch.mk allows everything else to finish


[00:09] <bspencer_> persia, ping
[00:09] <persia> bspencer_: pong
[00:09] <bspencer_> Emmet -- howdy.  Have we met?
[00:09] <persia> In person? I doubt it.
[00:09] <bspencer> I see you recently updated mobile-basic-flash in the hardy PPA
[00:09] <bspencer> when I make an image it comes up all white.  I wonder if you tried it before or after pushing it
[00:10] <bspencer> I was thinking ubuntu guys were going to wait until it was stable before pulling it over
[00:10] <persia> bspencer: Both.  The image worked for me (although icon display is still wonky for xul reasons)
[00:10] <bspencer> it also increases the boot time by 8sec.
[00:10] <bspencer> ah -- is it due to xul 1.9 issue?
[00:11] <bspencer> I also thought that was on hold until the kinks were worked out.
[00:11] <bspencer> anyhow -- I'll try to fix it soon
[00:11] <persia> Ah.  In that case, it might just be that I didn't get the word on it being on hold.  I'm not sure about the delay, but would happily pull again to resolve the boot time issue.
[00:12] <bspencer> asac,
[00:13] <persia> I'm basing my blame on xul for the lack of icons from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/19/%23ubuntu-mobile.html, although I may be mistaken.
[00:15] <bspencer> hadn't seen that.  ok.  I'll fix it.
[00:22] <persia> bspencer: For me, that only makes the icons not appear.  I'm not getting an all-white screen, and wondering what is causing that for you.
[00:23] <bspencer> persia, I used the menlow-lpia-hardy-ppa   platform.
[00:24] <persia> Hmm.  I'm using mccaslin-lpia-hardy-ppa.
[05:55] <dholbach> good morning
[05:55] <inkynoob> 'morning
[06:02] <dholbach> hi inkynoob
[06:03] <inkynoob> Where are you at that it's morning there?
[06:17] <Xiliath> does UME support mouse input?
[06:23] <jouston> Xiliath: Yes.
[08:23] <inkynoo1> Ubuntu Hardy comes out today, will UME development continue in the Hardy repositories, or will it move into Ibex?
[12:57] <dns53> the last update in normal hardy is nice, it is a useable desktop for my eeepc now
[16:13]  * landley waves at davidm.
[16:13] <landley> There's a meeting thingy today?
[16:13] <davidm> landley, yes there will be an open meeting today
[16:13]  * landley is curious.  Will try to show up.
[16:16] <davidm> landley, About 45 minutes, some boring actually but anyone can attend.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080424
[16:43] <bspencer> kyleN_: what's the page to your i18n again?
[16:43] <bspencer> and if someone could help me navigate the mobile and embedded pgae, I get confused:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage
[16:43] <bspencer> where on there does it point to the pages about i18n, the weekly meeting minutes, etc.?
[16:44] <bspencer> ah, that's an odd page.  here's the right page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[16:44] <bspencer> my bad.
[16:45] <kyleN_> bspencer: there are two
[16:45] <bspencer> got em
[16:45] <bspencer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode
[16:45] <bspencer> is the one I need to update I believe
[16:45] <kyleN_> ok
[16:46] <bspencer> kyleN_: actually, where do you want the list of moblin apps i18n status?
[16:47] <kyleN_> bspencer: I think another sibling page makes sense
[16:47] <bspencer> where are the weekly meeting minutes posted?
[16:47] <kyleN_> i have to check my email every week to find it
[16:47] <kyleN_> did you get one from david m this week?
[16:48] <bspencer> davidm... searching
[16:48] <bspencer> yes
[16:49] <bspencer> was looking for loic
[16:49] <davidm> Loic is at lunch will be here in a couple of minutes
[16:57] <landley> Wow, ubuntu.com is down.
[16:58] <landley> And back up.  Weird.
[16:58] <agoliveira> landley: Everything related to ubuntu is really slow today due the release.
[17:01] <lool> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is lool.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:01] <lool> Hi folks!
[17:01] <lool> Hope you had a nice week
[17:01]  * agoliveira waves all
[17:02]  * lool tries to load the wiki page, which takes some time...
[17:02] <lool> So, we'll start with the action items from last week
[17:02] <lool> [topic] (bspencer) document status of i18n of moblin modules on Ubuntu wiki; needs discussion with asac and cwong for FF
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  (bspencer) document status of i18n of moblin modules on Ubuntu wiki; needs discussion with asac and cwong for FF
[17:03] <lool> bspencer: heya; how has it been going on that front?
[17:03] <bspencer> howdy
[17:03] <bspencer> working on it presently
[17:03] <bspencer> I thought I would add these to an existing page
[17:03] <bspencer> or just append them to the minutes
[17:03] <bspencer> unless there's a better place
[17:03] <lool> bspencer: I think you should add them to a wiki page, yes
[17:04] <lool> One of the i18n ones for instance or a new one
[17:04] <bspencer> yes, a new page?
[17:04] <lool> I don't think that's important; as long as one can find it if one searches for i18n or something
[17:04] <bspencer> sure.  I'll just link off of one of Kyle's
[17:04] <bspencer> so the status is not done.   But doing...
[17:04] <lool> Hmm ok
[17:05] <lool> This sounds quite bad to manage providing actual translations for the UME Core release or for customer derivatives
[17:05] <lool> We're like at one month from our target dates and it requires Launchpad massaging to do the stuff afterwards
[17:05] <lool> So it's quite urgent
[17:05] <lool> [action] (bspencer) document status of i18n of moblin modules on Ubuntu wiki; needs discussion with asac and cwong for FF [cted]
[17:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  (bspencer) document status of i18n of moblin modules on Ubuntu wiki; needs discussion with asac and cwong for FF [cted]
[17:05] <bspencer> urgent that the apps have i18n support, true?
[17:06] <bspencer> moderately urgent that the list is not posted
[17:06] <lool> bspencer: Well the later the apps have i18n support, the less time there is to do and test the translations
[17:06] <lool> bspencer: That's true
[17:06] <bspencer> there's really only two that are pending:  marquee and mobile-basic-flash
[17:06] <lool> [topic] (GrueMaster) update #215242 to request enabling of alsa in helix builds (or a dependency on oss support in alsa)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  (GrueMaster) update #215242 to request enabling of alsa in helix builds (or a dependency on oss support in alsa)
[17:06] <lool> bspencer: Ok; then that's good; please document them in the wiki
[17:07] <lool> bspencer: Just wanted to let you know that i18n is urgent
[17:07] <lool> And not documentation of it, I agree
[17:07] <lool> GrueMaster: Hey, so how did this went?
[17:08] <lool> Is GrueMaster around?
[17:08] <lool> Someone physically near GrueMaster could poke him?
[17:08]  * agoliveira looks around...
[17:08] <GrueMaster> Oops, sorry, I'm back
[17:08] <lool> No problem
[17:09] <lool> GrueMaster: So we were checking for updates on that bug work we discussed last week
[17:09] <GrueMaster> I've been tied up with video driver drops.
[17:09] <lool> So no progress on this one?
[17:10] <GrueMaster> I'm not really sure what to check for that may have gotten dropped, but it looks like alsa-utils was dropped (which would cause this).
[17:10] <lool> This is the next topic
[17:10] <lool> This topic/action was about asking for the helix build to enable alsa because it's 2008 and we want to use ALSA
[17:10] <StevenK> Which has been fixed.
[17:10] <GrueMaster> Well, they tie together then.
[17:10] <lool> StevenK: So this is fixed in helix?
[17:10] <StevenK> No.
[17:10] <lool> StevenK: Then wait for the next topic :)
[17:10] <StevenK> ubuntu-mobile now seeds alsa-utils directly.
[17:11] <lool> StevenK: I've seen the change and I've added alsa-base too
[17:11] <lool> StevenK: And added the same comments as for desktop-common
[17:11] <lool> But this is the next topic
[17:11] <GrueMaster> I don't recall my bug being specific to Helix, just used Helix as a reference.
[17:11] <lool> So, it remains to be done to build helix against alsa, does everybody agree?
[17:11] <StevenK> Er, really?
[17:12] <lool> GrueMaster: Well what we discussed last week was that they are two bugs and that one is to please build helix against alsa and the other is to please pull alsa as it helps oss apps
[17:12] <davidm> We can't build it, perhaps Intel can
[17:12] <GrueMaster> I can't build helix either.
[17:12] <lool> GrueMaster: So who builds the helix for which you reported it was using alsa?
[17:13] <StevenK> Which bit of helix wants to be built against alsa?
[17:13] <lool> err OSS
[17:13] <lool> instead of alsa
[17:13] <mawhalen> Is this a bug logged into the helixcommunity?
[17:13] <lool> GrueMaster: You said helix wasn't working because it was trying to use oss and we should be pulling alsa to make this work; I replied that we should perhaps pull alsa (next topic) but that helix had to be built with alsa support
[17:13] <lool> mawhalen: No, in Launchpad
[17:14] <mawhalen> sorry - just joining, what's the number?
[17:14] <lool> Well the current bug doesn't state this
[17:14] <StevenK> Perhaps Helix is linked with alsa and it didn't work because it wasn't installed?
[17:14] <lool> the topic is #
[17:14] <lool> the topic is (GrueMaster) update #215242 to request enabling of alsa in helix builds (or a dependency on oss support in alsa)
[17:14] <lool> But #215242 currently requests addition of alsa compat, not building helix with alsa support
[17:15] <lool> Which is why we set an action item to change it in this way last week
[17:15] <GrueMaster> I discussed that here with my boss, and he agreed that it didn't make sence to split the bug up.  I would end up tracking every app not compiled against alsa.
[17:15] <GrueMaster> The way it reads is fine, it's been addressed in the next topic, it's done.
[17:15] <lool> Uh I don't want to ship apps using OSS if they can use ALSA, no
[17:16] <GrueMaster> I don't have time to hunt down each app that doesn't use alsa.
[17:16] <persia> Still good to report all those discovered, and find the remainders over time.
[17:16] <lool> We're not asking you to go hunt them down, you mentionned alsa support wasn't enabled in helix and I asked you to please report it
[17:17] <GrueMaster> Here's the text of the bug:  Sometime between 20080228 and 20080402, alsa-base package was no longer installed. This package contains a modprobe.d configuration file that auto-installs oss emulation drivers, along with power management support for alsa. The oss emulation is needed by some applications, including helix/realplayer for audio support.
[17:17] <lool> Yes, that's one issue, I agree; it's the next topic which we already covered here in fact, and it has bene addressed and is closed
[17:18] <lool> But this led us to discover another issue since you claimed helix had alsa support which wasn't turned on
[17:18] <lool> And this ought to be fixed too
[17:18] <GrueMaster> I never said helix had alsa support.
[17:18] <GrueMaster> As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure that Flash has alsa support.
[17:19] <agoliveira> GrueMaster: AFAIK, flash does
[17:20] <tonyespy> helix supports alsa, but it has to be turned on in the build
[17:20] <GrueMaster> Well, my point was to justify the need for oss emulation, not fix non-alsa applications.
[17:20] <lool> GrueMaster: You said two weeks ago:
[17:20] <lool> [18:24:55] <GrueMaster> Well, in my opinion, it should be built with alsa support. alsa provides audio duplexing, which oss did not.
[17:20] <lool> See http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/mootbot/meeting/ubuntu-mobile.log.20080410_1801.html#11
[17:21] <GrueMaster> True, but like I also said, I don't have time to track every app that doesn't support alsa.
[17:22] <GrueMaster> And my time here is limited.
[17:22] <lool> So we're going in loop here; you discovered a bug (helix is not built with alsa support) but you are not interested in reporting it because there is a workaround and you don't want to spend any more time on it, correct?
[17:23] <GrueMaster> no.  I found a bug (some apps that need oss support aren't getting it due to missing alsa-base), and that has been fixed.
[17:23] <GrueMaster> Again, I used the build of helix I had as an example.  For all I know, it works properly now.
[17:23] <lool> So what exactly did you intend to say when you wrote "it should be built with alsa support."?
[17:24] <landley> lool: is there any way to get the logs like that linked from the meeting page on the wiki?
[17:24] <landley> The minutes it does link to are very terse, no actual discussion.
[17:24] <lool> landley: They should be; please check with davidm after the meeting why not; I think he copies them to another place
[17:24] <GrueMaster> AFAIR, it was mentioned that it could be built with alsa support, hence my comment.
[17:24] <lool> landley: ?
[17:25] <landley> The ones he puts up look like http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080410_1801.html
[17:25] <lool> So I don't see any useful discussion on this topic anymore and I'll close it and move on to the next topic which should be covered pretty fast
[17:25] <lool> landley: Let us discuss this after the meeting or at the end in a new topic
[17:25] <landley> ok
[17:25] <lool> [topic] (GrueMaster) file new bug requesting addition of alsa-base to the seeds with the rationale of the power management features it provides
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  (GrueMaster) file new bug requesting addition of alsa-base to the seeds with the rationale of the power management features it provides
[17:25] <lool> So GrueMaster didn't particularly file a new bug as covered in the previous discussion
[17:25] <GrueMaster> At any rater, that was what, 2 weeks ago?  The bug I reported has been fixed.  I haven't had time to file a bug against helix needing alsa support, I'm busy filing internal bugs against it here.
[17:26] <lool> However StevenK added alsa-utils and I added alsa-base after a discussion with ChickenCutlass
[17:26] <lool> With the same rationale/comments as for the desktop-common seed
[17:26] <lool> I'll mark GrueMaster's original bug as fix committed after the meeting
[17:26] <lool> Moving on to the next topic
[17:26] <GrueMaster> THANKS!
[17:26] <lool> [topic] (ToddBrandt and lool) workshop on solving dependency issues in ppa
[17:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  (ToddBrandt and lool) workshop on solving dependency issues in ppa
[17:27] <ToddBrandt> lool: yea sorry I didn't get back to you on that, I've had some fires to fight
[17:27] <lool> ToddBrandt: So I mailed you to ask about your availabilities, but perhaps my written explanations were enough?
[17:27] <ToddBrandt> lool: actually yea, email should be fine
[17:27] <lool> If my email is a good enough cheat sheet, then let's close this
[17:28] <lool> Ok; we're done with last weeks items
[17:28] <lool> I'm refreshing the wiki page, but I don't see any current item for this week
[17:29] <lool> Does anyone have any item to discuss today which is or isn't in the wiki page?
[17:29] <lool> I don't see any on a fresh reload
[17:29] <lool> landley: So let's discuss that log thing
[17:29] <lool> [topic] IRC meetings logs
[17:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  IRC meetings logs
[17:29] <agoliveira> Maybe poke Intel about UDS, again? ;)
[17:29] <lool> landley: In the past, the wiki pages would link to the mootbot logs directly (like I didà
[17:29]  * agoliveira ducks
[17:30] <lool> But this was unreliable
[17:30] <lool> landley: So davidm now copies them over to his people.ubuntu.com pages and links to that
[17:30] <davidm> There are two pages there for each meeting
[17:30] <lool> landley: If you find that he doesn't copy in a suitable way, could you drop him an email explaining what's missing?
[17:30] <bspencer> are you talking about this meeting?
[17:30] <lool> Yes
[17:31] <bspencer> I added a link from the main page too
[17:31] <davidm> The upper level summery page and a drill down page that contains the complete IRC log
[17:31] <bspencer> I always have a problem finding the mintues
[17:31] <lool> davidm: Could both pages be linked from the wiki pages?
[17:31] <bspencer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/  -- now has a "Weekly meeting minutes" link.
[17:32] <davidm> bspencer, I edit every meeting wiki page by the next week and add a link to that weeks logs, it's at the bottom of the page
[17:32] <landley> lool: I'll take it up with david offline.
[17:32] <persia> davidm: There seems to be a missing 's' in the mootbot links: specifically ".../meeting/..." vs ".../meetings/..."
[17:33] <davidm> With the release of Hardy it's slow
[17:33] <lool> persia: Confirmed
[17:33] <davidm> Whoops, that was a typo, I'll edit the messed up pages again.
[17:33] <lool> davidm: http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080417_1800.html for example, if you click on the left on any link, it's broken
[17:33] <lool> Ok, topic done?
[17:33] <lool> [topic] Intel UDS attendance
[17:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Intel UDS attendance
[17:33] <davidm> Give me an action for to fix links
[17:33] <lool> Any news here?
[17:34] <bspencer> lool:  Q about xul 1.9 (after current topic)
[17:34] <lool> [action] (davidm) fix links in IRC logs
[17:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  (davidm) fix links in IRC logs
[17:34] <lool> bspencer: ack
[17:34] <lool> So did anyone from Intel confirmed coming?
[17:34] <lool> It's in less than a month now :)
[17:34] <bspencer> for UDS, I have no update.  Waiting for direction from above.  I would /love/ to come
[17:34] <lool> I would love that you come too
[17:34] <davidm> I have a confirmation that John Cheery will attend.
[17:34] <bspencer> xoxo
[17:35] <bspencer> Cherry
[17:35] <davidm> s/Cheery/Cherry
[17:35] <agoliveira> Is he a cheery chery?
[17:35] <davidm> I am just full of typo's today
[17:35] <bspencer> he's a happy guy, to be certain
[17:35] <agoliveira> :-D
[17:35] <lool> Ok; well please keep us up-to-date on attendance
[17:36] <lool> agoliveira: Let's revisit next week etc.
[17:36] <bspencer> topic #2 (after xul) :  netbook / eeePC for MIC
[17:36] <lool> [topic] mobile-basic-flash XUL 1.9 port
[17:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-basic-flash XUL 1.9 port
[17:36] <agoliveira> lool: Fine. I love poke Intel people ;)
[17:36] <bspencer> lool: what is the intention for moving to 1.9?
[17:36] <bspencer> is that something you will do for UME release?
[17:37] <agoliveira> lool: But you'll have to poke them or me, I'll be on holiday.
[17:37] <bspencer> I see 1.8 in hardy now
[17:37] <lool> bspencer: xul 1.9 and xul are very similar code bases, but we didn't want to maintain both for the hardy timeframe
[17:37] <lool> (security etc.)
[17:37] <lool> It's a huge amount of duplicated work
[17:37] <bspencer> right.  makes sense
[17:37] <lool> So all xul apps (in main) were built against xul 1.9
[17:37] <lool> To have mobile-basic-flash in main, we need it to be built with xul 1.9
[17:37] <bspencer> hm.  I updated to hardy and found xuldev 1.8 ?
[17:37] <lool> Hence the patch you saw, but it broke the display completely
[17:38] <lool> So we reverted
[17:38] <lool> bspencer: In universe
[17:38] <lool> libxul-dev | <IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | hardy/universe | all
[17:38] <lool> xulrunner-1.9-dev | 1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 |         hardy | amd64, i386
[17:38] <bspencer> you reverted xul because of m-b-f ?
[17:38] <bspencer> ah
[17:38] <lool> No, we reverted the port because of m-b-f
[17:38] <bspencer> whew
[17:38] <lool> So m-b-f still uses 1.8 right now, and should move to 1.9 ASAP
[17:39] <lool> But it can't enter main
[17:39] <bspencer> ok.  sure.
[17:39] <lool> Which is the place where it's security supported and ends up in language packs by default
[17:39] <lool> So this "needs more work" and is desirable
[17:39] <lool> It was critical
[17:39] <bspencer> got it.   We'll work on it
[17:40] <lool> [topic] netbook / eeePC for MIC
[17:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  netbook / eeePC for MIC
[17:40] <lool> bspencer: ^
[17:40] <bspencer> yeah, a growing number of people asking if they can build eee images
[17:40] <bspencer> I think it would be cool, though needs some planning to do it
[17:40] <agoliveira> bspencer: The UDS is a great place for that, you know? ;)
[17:41] <GrueMaster> the McCaslin image "should" work.  It's the same chipset and video.
[17:41] <lool> Yeah, there are these people asking for ARM images too, quite many of them
[17:41] <lool> We should do something for all these folks
[17:41] <bspencer> hm, I thought Pentium M != mccaslin.  Shows what I know.
[17:41]  * agoliveira looks for stones coming from western USA direction...
[17:41] <persia> To get images for other mccaslin devices, it's mostly a matter of adjusting defaults from the q1u settings currently in place.
[17:41]  * bspencer has seen that acronym somewhere before, but can't recall where.
[17:42] <lool> We had some conversations around here in the Lexington office and I think we're losing a huge amount of resources (machine and human) to build x flavors of x platforms with x fsets
[17:42] <bspencer> well, perhaps we should create a dup of McCaslin platform and call it "eeePC" for those interested
[17:42] <lool> Instead, I think we could have a big generic flavor and do the stripped down builds less regularly
[17:43] <GrueMaster> bspencer:  Eee uses Celeron M.  Same as Pentium M w/o cache.
[17:43] <lool> This flavor could work slightly more slowly, and detect stuff on boot, like some sort of live CD
[17:43]  * persia likes that idea: makes support for new devices easy
[17:43] <bspencer> lool: and auto-detect kernel configs?
[17:44] <lool> So I'm happy if some people work on this; I'd like to put some time into it, but it's not top priority evidently
[17:44] <bspencer> different platforms require different kernels, true?
[17:44] <GrueMaster> What's to detect?  It has a 915M video chipset.  Only thing "radically" different is no touch screen.
[17:44] <lool> bspencer: We have a generic kernel for all Ubuntu PCs
[17:44] <lool> bspencer: This should be possible for MIDs too
[17:44] <GrueMaster> All x86 kernels should run on the latest x86 procs.
[17:44] <lool> GrueMaster: The video config in xorg has to be detected
[17:44] <lool> It currently doesn't work in vmware, qemu etc. or on an eeepc or other mids
[17:45] <persia> Detection targets: available devices, input info, X config, keymap, etc.
[17:45] <lool> What persia said :)
[17:45] <GrueMaster> why?  Q1U and Eee PC have the same driver.
[17:45] <bspencer> GrueMaster: I think they are talking in general about MIC
[17:45] <bspencer> and why we have multiple platforms at all.
[17:45] <lool> There are also touchpad settings in the xorg.conf
[17:45] <persia> GrueMaster: Same driver, but different configurations.  I use a SR8, which is much more similar to a Q1U than an Eee, but there are still things odd about it from the Q1U images.
[17:45] <lool> bspencer: Also
[17:45] <lool> bspencer: Yes
[17:46] <GrueMaster> ah
[17:46] <lool> So this is all an interesting topic; I would be happy if we could provide this to the community
[17:46] <bspencer> I think we should
[17:46] <lool> I'm not tempted to [action] any of it though, unless someone from the community wants to take it
[17:47]  * agoliveira looks at his dismantled eeePC motherboard wating for a soldering job.
[17:47]  * landley is interested in booting an ubuntu-mobile image under qemu.
[17:47] <bspencer> and make it clear that they can -- although we will get inundated with "help"
[17:47] <lool> But please work on this as your priorities permit and report back here or on the mailing list
[17:47] <lool> It would help a huge amount of people
[17:47] <landley> If there are existing instructions on how to do that, I missed them.
[17:47] <GrueMaster> Getting the image to boot under quemu, Virtual Box, etc, would be a big bonus for development.
[17:47] <lool> landley: I think we have been happy to help people on the mailing list or on IRC here to make progress on this
[17:48] <lool> But the ideas of running on eeepc or in virtual envs has been around for months
[17:48] <davidm> landley, very happy to help on mailing lists and IRC, though right now mailing list is better.
[17:48] <lool> Okay; topic done?
[17:48] <lool> Any other topic?
[17:48] <landley> davidm: I'll ask on the list then.
[17:49] <lool> Cool, we're still in the < 1 hour envelope
[17:49] <davidm> landley, great
[17:49] <lool> So thanks everybody for participating, have fun
[17:49] <lool> #endmeeting
[17:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:49.
[17:50] <bspencer> wiki.ubuntu.com is so slow
[17:50] <StevenK> bspencer: It's release day
[17:51] <bspencer> btw, launchpad is painfully slow.  I'm not a cursing man, but if I were, using launchpad would give me much practice.
[17:51] <agoliveira> bspencer: Everything that's related to ubuntu is slow today due the release
[17:51] <inuka_desk> ping lool
[17:51] <bspencer> agoliveira: ah.
[17:51] <persia> It will likely stay slow through the weekend, and be back to normal on Monday or so.
[17:52] <agoliveira> bspencer: The local mirror here, which is the state's capital and has a quite hefty pipe is being hammered down very hard. I can't gewt more than 20K/s from it.
[17:52] <agoliveira> persia: Indeed
[17:52] <davidm> landley, the URL links in the log have been fixed
[17:53] <lool> inuka_desk: pong
[17:54] <lool> inuka_desk: Make sure you put my name in front of your pings like "lool: foobar", and try to provide a question with the ping to allow me the grace to go back to you with an answer
[17:54] <lool> inuka_desk: Thanks :)
[17:54] <inuka_desk> lool: for the mailing list...  how about<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:55] <lool> inuka_desk: I would suggest to keep that name for important announcements like 'Moblin 2.0 development begins', and use a more classical name
[17:55] <lool> Like ftp-release@ or releases@ or ftp-release-list@ or taballs@ or moblin-tarballs@
[17:55] <inuka_desk> lool: what would you sugest?
[17:55] <landley> davidm: thanks.
[17:56] <lool> GNOME To: FTP Releases<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:56]  * landley has much backscroll reading to do.
[17:56] <lool> FreeDesktop To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:56] <lool> Etc
[17:56] <inuka_desk> lool: thanks just wanted to make sure it was consistant with standard open source projects
[17:56] <landley> What _is_ the relationship between moblin and ubuntu mobile?
[17:57]  * landley can't keep all the distros straight.
[17:57] <landley> Openmoko, buildroot, gentoo embedded...
[17:57] <lool> inuka_desk: There's no strong standard for ftp release lists, but announce is usually very low traffic huge announcements
[17:58] <lool> landley: At least one side of moblin is to provide upstream software
[17:58] <lool> While UME is about distributing stuff
[17:58] <landley> Such as?
[17:58] <lool> moblin-image-creator, moblin-media, midbrowser
[17:58] <landley> upstream software such as?
[17:58] <landley> ok
[18:02] <lool> inuka_desk: mobile-basic-flash was removed from the PPA this morning because we had to output the build and this was masking the working version from hardy (the version in ppa didn't work I guess because of xul 1.9)
[18:21] <StevenK> lool: No, that isn't it.
[18:22] <lool> StevenK: Whatever it is, tell inuka_desk so that he knows please
[18:23] <StevenK> Well, I removed 0.43 because it didn't have icons for Media, Photos and did wierd things with the applets
[18:23] <StevenK> 0.44 got in the way
[18:24] <lool> inuka_desk: ^
[18:24] <lool> inuka_desk: We'll revisit this after today's beta release
[18:24] <inuka_desk> lool: what package is this?
[18:24] <inuka_desk> lool: moblie-basic-flash
[18:24] <lool> Yes
[18:25] <inuka_desk> lool: does bob know this as well. He is the one who wanted me to update
[18:25] <StevenK> inuka_desk: moblin-media doesn't run
[18:25] <StevenK>   File "/usr/share/moblin-media/thumbnail_creator.py", line 90, in _writeFile
[18:25] <StevenK>     outfile = open(constant.BAD_THUMBNAIL_FILE, 'w')
[18:25] <StevenK> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.moblin-media/thumbnails/bad_thumbnails.txt'
[18:25] <StevenK> If I make that directory, then I get:
[18:25] <lool> inuka_desk: About the removal?  I don't think so; please tell him, but I've been in touch with Bob about the xul 1.9 issue, perhaps he meant that
[18:26] <StevenK>     self.ltgray = self.area.get_colormap().alloc_color(COLOR_LTGRAY)
[18:26] <StevenK> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'alloc_color'
[18:26] <inuka_desk> ping, bspencer
[18:26] <bspencer> inuka_desk:
[18:27] <inuka_desk> bpsencer^ were you aware?
[18:28] <bspencer> inuka_desk: 0.44 failed to build for lpia -- I assumed 0.43 was still in PPA.  I'm in a mtg, but will try to resolve this today
[18:28] <StevenK> No, 0.43 was removed by me
[18:28] <bspencer> StevenK:  ok.  So we have 0.34 now?
[18:28] <inuka_desk> bspencer: oh ok
[18:28] <StevenK> 0.34 that calls itself 0.36, yes
[18:28] <bspencer> 0.36... got it
[18:29] <StevenK> But it's 0.34, yeah :-)
[18:29] <bspencer> oh.  :)
[18:29] <bspencer> ok.  I'll figure out why 0.44 failed to build.
[18:29] <bspencer> inuka_desk: did you notice that horace added dependencies?
[18:29] <bspencer> inuka_desk: for xml parsing
[18:29] <StevenK> inuka_desk: Any idea about moblin-media?
[18:29] <bspencer> inuka_desk:  did you do the packaging?  How did you determine what the packaging should look like?
[18:30] <inuka_desk> StevenK: I am not sure let me take a look
[18:30] <bspencer> inuka_desk: StevenK   HappyCamp recentlhy updated moblin-media.
[18:30] <bspencer> HappyCamp_ubuntu:  HappyCamp   could you be the cause of ^^  ?
[18:30] <StevenK> bspencer: In the PPA?
[18:30] <inuka_desk> bspencer: Ahh it uses the updated packaging that could possibly the issue.
[18:31] <bspencer> inuka_desk:  we added a new dependency between 0.43 and 0.44 for xml.  You'll have to look in configure.ac for details
[18:31] <persia> inuka_desk: You can grab a 0.43 with the FTBFS fix from https://launchpad.net/~persia/+archive for your next 0.44 (or higher).
[18:32] <jah_dread> What kind of products is UbuntuMobile intended for? Is it more like hanheld "computers" or ordinary mobilephones?
[18:32] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> StevenK: moblin-media is in a state of flux right now
[18:32] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> The gaston branch is relatively stable
[18:32] <lool> persia: Or the superseded upload from the ppa directly, no?
[18:33] <lool> Isn't the gaston branch only for packaging?
[18:33] <persia> lool: I thought that was deleted
[18:33] <StevenK> HappyCamp_ubuntu: The gaston branch isn't in the PPA, inuka_desk uploaded 0.51
[18:33] <lool> persia: I thought so too until this morning :)
[18:33]  * persia goes to bed to avoid more lapses of judgement
[18:33] <lool> persia: You can use the "superseded" drown down near "search"
[18:33] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp: what version do you want in the PPA
[18:33] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> Well then it is in a state of flux right now.
[18:33] <inuka_desk> bspencer: thanks I will update...
[18:33] <lool> persia: *drop down
[18:33] <lool> I'm drown down
[18:33] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp_ubuntu: so do you want to leave it broken
[18:34] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> At the moment yes
[18:35] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp_ubuntu: in the PPA, StevenK: FYI
[18:35] <agoliveira> jah_dread: It's for MIDs. Please check the FAQ.
[18:35] <davidm> HappyCamp, why is a broken package in the PPA?
[18:35] <davidm> HappyCamp_ubuntu, , why is a broken package in the PPA?
[18:35] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> Because it is
[18:36] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> First I heard it was broken
[19:20] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> inuka_desk: ping, can you put latest moblin-media into ppa?
[19:21] <bspencer> HappyCamp_ubuntu: have you built a hardy based image and tried the latest moblin-media?
[19:21] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> bspencer: why?
[19:21] <bspencer> so you don't push another broken moblin-media
[19:22] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> Nope
[19:22] <bspencer> I recommend it :)
[19:22] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> I tested it on my system and it works.  I feel good.
[19:23] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp_ubuntu: If you have permissions you can use the instructions I e-mailed yesterday.
[19:23] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> inuka_desk: I don't have permissions
[19:23] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp_ubuntu: Is there a release tag on it?
[19:24] <HappyCamp> inuka_desk, RELEASE_0.52
[19:24] <inuka_desk> HappyCampL ok
[19:25] <landley> What does PPA stand for, anyway?
[19:26] <cprov> landley: Personal Package Archive.
[19:28] <lool> HappyCamp: Please test packages in their target environment
[19:28] <lool> HappyCamp: If you upload to Ubuntu, test under Ubuntu, if you upload for ppa, test with hardy + ppa image-creator etc.
[19:28] <landley> Ok, what _is_ PPA?
[19:29] <lool> landley: This https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive
[19:29] <landley> The debian local package cache on your machine?
[19:29] <lool> landley: A place where we put the packages for the ubuntu-mobile team
[19:29] <landley> Where does "personal" come in?
[19:29] <lool> Because it's a per person or team archive
[19:29] <lool> I have a ~lool ppa
[19:30] <landley> Ah.  A launchpad thing.
[19:30] <landley> For the ubuntu-mobile user account.
[19:30] <landley> Ok.
[19:30] <lool> voila
[19:30] <landley> Nope, there's no ~landley on that server, and I have an account on launchpad...
[19:31] <landley> It's not _that_ simple...
[19:31] <lool> landley: You have to enable it
[19:37] <davidm> landley, http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080417_1800.html is fixed. Links work
[19:40] <landley> Davidm: yay.  Thanks.
[19:41] <davidm> Sorry my bad, I left an "s" of a path when I ran a sed command
[19:48] <HappyCamp> bspencer, why aren't you on #moblin?
[19:54] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp, any debian script changes, I am assuming none
[19:56] <HappyCamp> inuka_desk, none
[19:56] <inuka_desk> HappyCamp, thanks
[22:10] <smagoun> persia: can you give me an update on your updater work? I have a build next tues and I'd like to include anything you have ready
[22:54] <lool> persia: Hmm I didn't forward your update to smagoun, just to patm; will forward to smagoun too now


[00:36] <genii> Hi. Is there any documentation aside from the wiki page for Prevu? No manpage it seems
[00:50] <stdin> genii: I guess you'd need to ask jdong, as he wrote it
[00:50] <genii> stdin: OK thanks
[00:51] <genii> stdin: There seems something on launchpad about it but the site is undergoing maintenance
[00:53] <stdin> LP should be up in about 10 mins (according to the downtime schedule)
[00:58]  * genii waits
[01:20] <genii> stdin: Geez, still offline.
[01:21] <stdin> genii: yeah, staging seems to be working though
[01:21] <stdin> genii: https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/prevu/+bug/76943
[01:21] <genii> hehe
[09:33] <Riddell> nazdar
[09:43] <jussi01> morning Riddell
[09:54] <etretyak> hi
[09:55] <Riddell> morning etretyak
[10:03] <etretyak> Riddell: do you know about this GSOC project: http://rtcm.livejournal.com/844.html ?
[10:04] <Riddell> etretyak: I do not
[10:05] <Riddell> etretyak: those screenshots look quite different
[10:05] <etretyak> Yes.. I'll check this sources
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: oh dear.
[10:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I need someone to write the info page for kde-nightly
[10:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmmm similar to the one for amarok-nightly?
[10:46] <apachelogger> well, a lot less information
[10:46] <Nightrose> ok
[10:46] <Nightrose> when do you need it?
[10:47] <apachelogger> now ;-)
[10:47] <apachelogger> well, sometime today
[10:47] <Nightrose> haha
[10:47] <Nightrose> alright
[10:47] <apachelogger> stack build completed successfully
[10:47] <apachelogger> so we can publish
[10:47] <Nightrose> I will eat something and then get on it
[10:47] <Nightrose> cool
[11:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you hear anything from NG?
[12:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: apart from ``Could you send me a copy of the download page?'' and ``Thanks''... nope :/
[12:16] <yao_ziyuan> anyone using firefox 3 now? spot the ugly tabs?
[12:30] <nixternal> mornin'! \o/
[12:33] <eagles0513875> VIVA ITALIA
[12:35] <smarter> "  pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: python-kde4 which is a virtual package.
[12:36] <smarter> where are the pyKDE bindings now?
[12:39] <Riddell> smarter: python-kde4 in hardy
[12:39] <Riddell> nothing yet in intrepid
[12:39] <smarter> ok
[12:39] <apachelogger> someone could prepare a debdiff of the package in ppa
[12:40] <smarter> so I'm stuck with a half-working guidance-power-manager package :}
[12:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm?
[12:40] <smarter> I found that: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: the changes made to kde4bindings in the PPA should be valid for intrepid as well
[12:40] <Riddell> smarter: that will be making python-kde4 once it compiles
[12:40] <apachelogger> and make the package build again
[12:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: what changes were those?
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: updates, adding build-deps, adding new files to .installs and some fixes to make python-kde4 work again
[12:41] <apachelogger> not perfect but the best I was able to do before tutorials day
[12:42] <\sh> Riddell: python on amd64 doesn't have dl.so...because this only works for archs where int==long==pointer has the same size
[12:42] <\sh> Riddell: in the ppa of kdebindings there is the patch of sime to make it work again on all archs
[12:43] <\sh> apachelogger: why not copy the ppa package to intrepid?
[12:43] <Riddell> the problem with kde4bindings in intrepid is ruby needs a fix
[12:43] <Riddell> which is in svn
[12:43] <apachelogger> \sh: also possible
[12:43] <Riddell> but svn also needs updated kde4libs it seems
[12:44] <apachelogger> hm
[12:44] <Riddell> so I was waiting for beta 2
[12:44] <apachelogger> well, we could just wait for beta2
[12:44] <Riddell> which should have been tagged yesterday but dirk's on holiday so KDE grinds to a halt
[12:44]  * \sh doesn't care about ruby...
[12:44] <\sh> ;)
[12:44] <apachelogger> :D
[12:46] <Xand3r> hi
[12:47] <Xand3r> i packeged somthing for trainig, please review it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qutim
[12:47] <Riddell> smarter: you could try this build for intrepid http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/pykde/python-kde4_4.0.80-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:48] <smarter> Riddell: I'm on 64 bits :P
[12:48] <Riddell> fooey
[12:48] <Riddell> smarter: you could apt-get source kde4bindings
[12:48] <Riddell> debuild
[12:49] <Riddell> control-c when it gets past the cmake stage
[12:49] <Riddell> cd obj-*/python/pykde
[12:49] <Riddell> make
[12:49] <Riddell> sudo make install
[12:49] <smarter> hooray for quick'n'dirty hack
[12:49] <smarter> but I don't want to screw up my pbuilder
[12:49]  * smarter should probably put intrepid in a VM
[12:51] <smarter> the package is working on hardy, I just need to get the dependences right so I'll wait
[12:55] <smarter> *dependencies
[13:12] <Riddell> Xand3r: a few small comments added
[13:12] <Xand3r> thanks
[13:13] <Riddell> Xand3r: there's a lot of icons in the source, do they not need to be installed?
[13:14] <Xand3r> they ar compilled in the bin
[13:15] <Riddell> oh, intresting
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> Oh yay, plasma-wifi updated to 4.1 api. *packages*
[13:19] <seele> !ntp
[13:20] <seele> why does ntp install gimp help docs?
[13:22] <Riddell> seele: doesn't here
[13:27] <seele> sigh.. maybe it's time for a fresh install.  adept doesnt alert me to reboot for kernel updates either.
[13:29] <ScottK> I'd wait a day.
[13:30] <ScottK> New openoffice and firefox both in today's updates for me.  It seems to have loaded things down a bit.
[13:30] <seele> huh, i just did an update and the only thing it gave me was samba
[13:30] <seele> i had an openoffice update the other day though, maybe that's the same one
[13:30] <ScottK> Hmm.  Maybe.
[13:36]  * Nightrose didn't get a firefox update either
[13:37] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx for coments, i fixed it
[13:38] <Riddell> smarter: what did you package power manager as?  (for the seeds)
[13:38] <smarter> Section?
[13:38] <smarter> kde
[13:38] <Riddell> smarter: package name
[13:38] <smarter> oh
[13:38] <smarter> guidance-power-manager
[13:39] <smarter> with a dummy kde-guidance-powermanager
[13:39] <jussi01> Nightrose: may I pm for a moment?
[13:39] <Nightrose> 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 is installed according to apt-cash showsure
[13:39] <Nightrose> meh
[13:39] <Nightrose> sure
[13:41] <Riddell> smarter: groovy
[13:45] <Riddell> ScottK: gpg-agent changed to gnupg-agent at some point?  our seeds are wrong, do we still need it?
[13:46] <\sh> Riddell: yes
[13:46] <\sh> seahorse and co are not able to play with gpg smartcards and readers nicely
[13:47] <\sh> and without those cards and readers, we screw all fsf members ;)
[13:53] <Riddell> Xand3r: advocated!
[13:53] <Riddell> Xand3r: needs apachelogger to take a second look then we can upload
[13:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: qutim?
[13:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[13:57]  * apachelogger fires up konqueror
[13:58] <Xand3r> thank you verry much
[13:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: btw, instead of build-conflicting on qt3-dev-tools you can just call qmake-qt4 instead of qmake in debian/rules
[13:59] <apachelogger> that way jpds doesn't need to uninstall his qt3-dev-tools package ;-)
[13:59] <Riddell> that's an idea
[14:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you testbuild it?
[14:01] <Xand3r> hmm, is noticed
[14:03] <\sh> YES!
[14:03] <\sh> adobe fms successfully installed and running under ubuntu server
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> If anyone has the time, could I have a quick revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=plasma-wifi
[14:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does that still work with 4.1?
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: 0.5 uses the 4.1 api
[14:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[14:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: cool
[14:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: long description is missing a full stop
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> very :)
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll upload then
[14:09] <Riddell> \sh: what's that?
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: flash media server I guess
[14:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r, Riddell: uploaded
[14:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you build-dep on cdbs, but don't use it
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> Oh right, I used dh
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> leftovers from the orignal template I used, I suppose
[14:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the license is gpl3+, not gpl2+
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> I shouldn't need to do anything more than change the 2 to a three in the copyright file, correct?
[14:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just copy the license header from the .cpp
[14:21]  * apachelogger testbuilds
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> Basically the same without the C commenting junk
[14:24] <apachelogger> yes
[14:25] <apachelogger> connection is super slow :|
[14:29] <\sh> apachelogger: right
[14:30] <\sh> Riddell: it's flash media server of adobe :)
[14:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: FTBS: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libSM.so', needed by `lib/plasma_applet_wifi_signal.so'.  Stop.
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, what does that mean, I wonder...
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> Did I miss a build dep?
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should fire up pbuilder
[14:43] <\sh> apachelogger: libsm-dev as build-dep?
[14:43] <jpds> apachelogger: qt3-dev-tools package?
[14:43] <apachelogger> *shrug* *shrug*
[14:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, \sh is right
[14:44] <apachelogger> but, didn't debian patch the recursive deps?
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[14:45]  * JontheEchidna has libsm-dev installed, which is why it didn't fail...
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> for him...
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: libsm and similar issues fixed in libqt4-x11 uploaded a few hours ago
[14:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: always testbuid in pbuilder before uploading, but we'll just wait for the new libqt4 to be built, then the issue should disappear :)
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:47]  * apachelogger prepares the kde-nightly lunch
[14:47] <apachelogger> launch even
[14:48] <Riddell> can we have a lunch instead?  I'm hungry
[14:48]  * sebas would like lunch#2, too
[14:59]  * apachelogger hands Riddell a cookie
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> omg^
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> Bettar than gkt-qt-engine for now
[15:00] <apachelogger> sebas: btw, are you bored? :P
[15:00]  * apachelogger notes that sebas only sometimes becomes active on kde-www
[15:01] <sebas> apachelogger: in burst, then I run through a couple of those unanswered emails
[15:02] <apachelogger> ic :)
[15:02] <txwikinger> Why do I get crash files which have a python error about dbus every time an application like OpenOffice or thunderbirtd are crshing?
[15:03] <apachelogger> maybe apport crashes upon the real crash
[15:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Is Intrepid still using /usr/lib/kde4? If it's not I'll need to change that.
[15:36] <apachelogger> currently it still does
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> Ok, then the install location is ok for now
[15:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no
[15:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: it doesn't
[15:38] <apachelogger> hm
[15:38] <apachelogger> sorry then
[15:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you're using cdbs grab the debian/cdbs directory from kdepimlibs in intrepid
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'm using debhelper
[15:39]  * apachelogger is wondering why he has the old kde4 dir then
[15:39] <apachelogger> omg, my system is totally out-of-date
[15:40]  * JontheEchidna hasn't booted into his intrepid partition in a while because kde4 is in a broken state
[16:03] <yuriy> morning
[16:16] <Tm_T> hi kids
[17:04] <eagles0513875> hey Tm_T
[17:14] <|Artemis_Fowl|> hum
[17:14] <|Artemis_Fowl|> apachelogger: what's your e-mail?
[17:23] <apachelogger> |Artemis_Fowl|<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:28] <_Artemis_Fowl_> apachelogger: you've got mail
[17:41] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: does it depend on kde 4.1?
[17:48] <yuriy> hmm fedora developers conference is here in Boston over the next couple of days, but it doesn't look like they have any interesting sessions like KDE or distro collaboration
[18:14] <apachelogger> seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kgrubeditor/
[18:47] <Riddell> davmor2: lug chez toi tonight?
[18:47] <davmor2> Yeap it's at mine :)
[18:51] <davmor2> Riddell: why are you planning on coming?
[18:51] <davmor2> If so don't get blown off your bike :)
[18:52] <Riddell> depends if I can convince sladen here to pack up
[18:54]  * nixternal does the core-dev dance
[18:55] <yuriy> you're a core-dev now? :O
[18:55] <nixternal> just waiting for the official email, sabdfl and keybuk gave up their +1's
[18:55] <nixternal> that would be a quorum out of the 3 TB'ers
[18:55] <vorian> yeee haaaa!
[18:56] <nixternal> and sistpoty as well! though he doesn't help Kubuntu/KDE, but uses it and loves it :)
[18:56]  * vorian pours champagne on nixternal
[18:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[18:58] <nixternal> groovy, so this weekend will be "Hack on Kubuntu weekend" :)
[18:58] <vorian> how many more days of merges?
[19:05] <jpds> nixternal: congrats!
[19:05] <nixternal> thanks
[19:07] <Riddell> vorian: not enough (a week I think)
[19:09] <vorian> eek!
[19:10] <vorian> Riddell: any pressing kubuntu merges needed? or should I just knock off the low-hanging fruit?  :)
[19:11] <Riddell> shouldn't be any pressing ones left
[19:11] <vorian> excellent
[19:11] <vorian> low hanging fruit it is :)
[19:26] <yuriy> congratulations nixternal!!
[20:08] <Nightrose> groovy nixternal ;-)   congratulations
[20:13] <jjesse> what are we congrating him on ?
[20:16] <jpds> jjesse: core-dev membership
[20:16] <jjesse> yay
[20:16] <jjesse> congrats Nightrose
[20:16] <jjesse> doh
[20:16] <jjesse> congrats nixternal
[20:16] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:17] <jjesse> i thought he was already
[20:17] <jjesse> shrug
[20:17] <seele> apachelogger: thanks
[20:26] <nixternal> jjesse: thanks
[21:27] <ScottK> Riddell: We do need gpg-agent (whatever it's called now) I'm pretty sure.  I need to get my test laptop working so I can look into kdepim in 4.1 and see what we need to do to support crypto.
[21:43] <Arby_> Riddell: rsibreak merged. files on lichts for upload when you have time
[21:44] <Arby_> that'll be extragear done as long as they all build and upload
[23:59] <dreampp> hi.