[12:14] <opi> g'day
[12:15] <mdz> doko: they are possible; they will require prior approval (exceptions)
[12:15] <doko> mdz: fine, just focusing on BreezyGoals
[12:16] <mdz> doko: what driver updates are necessary to implement your goals?
[12:25] <lamont> Kamion: actually, if you accidentally built me a new ia64 CD set, that might be interesting.  more than likely it's not though
[12:30] <lamont> so much for :33
[12:32] <lamont> ENOSMURFIX
[12:32] <lamont> then again, it's late there.
[12:33] <ogra> 00:34
[12:33] <Nafallo> lamont: indeed. I need to talk with him to :-)
[12:53] <TerminX> ugh, why is the Xorg binary still in the xserver-xorg package?  *curses*
[12:54] <Amaranth> TerminX: where should it be?
[12:54] <TerminX> xserver-xorg-core
[12:55] <TerminX> as noted in http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12690
[12:55] <TerminX> everything else was moved
[12:55] <Amaranth> oh, you don't want to pull in all of those drivers? :)
[12:55] <gilaway> hi
[12:55] <TerminX> correct
[12:55] <TerminX> I had to to upgrade, and I want them gone ;)
[12:56] <gilligan-> the quality of the ubuntu-devel mailinglist is kind of decreasing
[12:56] <dholbach> i'm off to bed - see you around
[12:56] <gilligan-> with great posts such as
[12:56] <gilligan-> > Not to sound like a n00b or anything, but how do I change hoary to
[12:56] <gilligan-> > breezy?
[12:56] <gilligan-> Here's how I did it;
[12:56] <gilligan-> ...
[12:56] <Amaranth> night dholbach
[12:56] <dholbach> night Amaranth
[12:56] <TerminX> I guess I'll bother daniels about it when he's around
[12:57] <Amaranth> gilligan-: users migrate over to -devel when they realize the developers actually talk there and not on -users
[12:57] <Amaranth> gilligan-: they think we have time to answer all their questions and still actually get things done
[12:57] <gilligan-> heh.yeah.. great
[12:59] <gilligan-> i'm not an active ubuntu developer myself atm, but i'm subscribed because i'm subscribed because i'm interested to see what's going on.. but at least i keep my mouth shut - until i have something worthwhile to say hehe
[12:59] <dholbach> "developers" respond to questions on the users list and i think that's good work they do
[12:59] <Kamion> TerminX: the Xorg *binary* is in xserver-xorg-core, it's only the /usr/bin/Xorg symlink
[01:00] <Amaranth> dholbach: sure, they answer some questions but some users think they're questions are more important
[01:00] <Amaranth> err, their
[01:00] <Kamion> which is unnecessary anyway now that /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin; I'm inclined to consider the symlink in xserver-xorg to be a bug
[01:00] <Kamion> Amaranth: same happens with IRC channels, too
[01:00] <Amaranth> aye
[01:01] <rob^> anyone know where html versions of man pages are on the system?
[01:01] <gilligan-> looking at the ubuntu forums I also found it quite shocking to see how many utterly clueless ppl upgraded to breezy in recent time hehe
[01:01] <dholbach> complaining about it doesn't change anything, i fear
[01:01] <Amaranth> hasn't the gnome devel list changed 2 or 3 times because of things like that?
[01:01] <gilligan-> hehe.dunno
[01:02] <Amaranth> gilligan-: Yeah, it's starting to get annoying having all of these people upgrade to breezy with no clue what they're doing and expecting things to work or to get instant help if they dont'
[01:02] <Kamion> rob^: there aren't pregenerated HTML versions in general
[01:02] <Kamion> rob^: try man -H
[01:02] <doko> mdz: these are no explicit goals, just updating the avm drivers to the current versions, and checking if bug reports like 8581 are fixed
[01:02] <rob^> what is yelp pulling then?
[01:02] <Kamion> I assume it's generating them on the fly
[01:03] <Amaranth> gilligan-: this is probably off-topic though :)
[01:03] <mdz> doko: if you have a chance to take a look at l-r-m and get fcpcmcia_cs building, that would be good
[01:03] <rob^> hmm, intresting
[01:03] <Kamion> groff has an HTML frontend, or it could be doing it itself; IIRC it's the latter, so that it can do inter-page links and tricks like that
[01:03] <gilligan-> Amaranth, blergh... :)
[01:03] <mdz> doko: its build process is a bit different from the others and I didn't have time to look at it much
[01:03] <rob^> Kamion, thanks I'll check it out
[01:03] <Kamion> although there's also the w3mman approach to doing inter-man-page links, which is very cool though insane
[01:04] <doko> mdz: I'll look at it, but what I did hear from upstream, this driver isn't supported anymore. I'll check
[01:04] <Kamion> (i.e. apply mad series of regexes to groff output)
[01:05] <mdz> doko: oh, then no one will miss it (it is not being built anymore)
[01:07] <gilligan-> hm.. I suppose there is presently no way to hotplug display-devices in x.org ?
[01:07] <gilligan-> maybe at some point after the modularization process..
[01:07] <gilligan-> ?
[01:08] <gilligan-> although this is more of a structural change anyway i suppose
[01:09] <Kamion> mdz: ok to follow the various xlibmesa package renames in xorg -44 with seed changes and promotion to main? they're hurting ubuntu-desktop installability
[01:13] <mdz> Kamion: yes, definitely
[01:15] <mxpxpod> does anyone else have this problem? http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/firefox-font-problem.png
[01:16] <seth_k> yeah, all my fonts are huge-mongous
[01:17] <mxpxpod> seth_k: the strange thing is that it's only firefox that's doing it
[01:17] <seth_k> indeed, for me as well mxpxpod
[01:17] <mxpxpod> seth_k: ah, ok
[01:17] <mxpxpod> just making sure :)
[01:18] <seth_k> Right now I'm just annoyed that all GTK apps segfault when I try to use their menus :D
[01:20] <Amaranth> ?
[01:21] <Amaranth> the menus work here
[01:21] <Amaranth> do you mean the filechooser?
[01:22] <seth_k> nope, like the menus in Gaim or Synaptic. I'll show you the error message, one sec
[01:22] <seth_k> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/330325
[01:23] <seth_k> same thing if I run Gaim, seahorse, every GTK app I try (I use KDE apps for the most part though)
[01:23] <Amaranth> err
[01:23] <Amaranth> you're fully upgraded and have logged out since upgrading?
[01:24] <seth_k> Fully upgraded except for X and have logged out... upgrading X still wants to uninstall gdm and kdm so I haven't done it yet
[01:26] <Amaranth> no clue then
[01:26] <Amaranth> everything works here
[01:26] <seth_k> maybe a KDE + GTK thing
[01:33] <Nafallo> hmm, what hosting does the LoCo-teams get from ubuntu? linode vservers?
[01:38] <Kamion> mdz: hmm, x-window-system-core Depends: libglu1-mesa now too
[01:39] <Kamion> mdz: is it OK to promote Mesa (considering that it was basically copied into xorg anyway ...) or does it need a main inclusion report?
[01:41] <squinn> You know what I love about Linux and Ubuntu? [and yes, this belongs in devel. my point is coming.]
[01:41] <squinn> The fact that you can talk to and literally interact with the "big developers". If I tried that in closed-source, pwuh.
[01:42] <Kamion> also, hmm, mesa Build-Depends: lesstif1-1; didn't we throw that out?
[01:50] <Kamion> yes, linode
[01:50] <Kamion> I don't know any more details than that though
[01:51] <Nafallo> Kamion: that was all I needed :-). know we can stop worry about hosting ;-).
[01:51] <Nafallo> Kamion: thanx
[02:01] <mdz> Kamion: as a rule, anything whose source was already being built in main anyway doesn't need a report
[02:02] <mdz> (within reason; if something is radically repackaged it should be eyeballed, etc.)
[02:02] <Kamion> yeah, I think mesa basically makes sense; lesstif1-1 concerns me though
[02:03] <mdz> xorg didn't build-dep on lesstif...
[02:03] <mdz> and I am happier if it is not in main
[02:04] <mdz> Kamion: we ought to be able to disable the motif stuff in there
[02:04] <Kamion> +  * motif widget library libMesaGLwM added (compiled using headers from lesstif). Fixes bug #25380
[02:04] <Kamion> yeah
[02:05] <Kamion> it's hard to tell what uses it though
[02:07] <mdz> very ugly motif programs
[02:07] <Kamion> reverse build-depends of mesag-dev that aren't just as a libGL or libGLU alternative are creox, tulip, varkon
[02:07] <Kamion> I can't say they sound terribly important
[02:08] <Kamion> (and they might be OK anyway)
[02:15] <mdz> tulip is still around? wow
[02:15] <mdz> I packaged that originally and it was so buggy as to be unusable; I thought I asked for it to be removed
[02:15] <mdz> oh, I did, and it was, and someone reuploaded it
[02:20] <mdz> apt-ism of the day:
[02:20] <mdz>     string::size_type Slash = TmpSrc.rfind('=');
[02:23] <Kamion> I'm ripping libGLw out of mesag-dev now
[02:27] <poningru> hi I had a question
[02:27] <poningru> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[02:27] <poningru> how can I help with the testing in those things?
[02:27] <poningru> asuming the people need help in that
[02:42] <mdz> poningru: in most cases it should be clear from reading the spec; if not, contact the person listed on the spec (the names are IRC nicks)
[02:42] <poningru> hmm ic
[02:42] <poningru> k thanks
[03:34] <squinn> I love you all.
[03:38] <squinn> I boot into Breezy, wireless card works out-of-the-box.
[03:38] <squinn> I'd have to configure it in Warty, and upgrade to Hoary..but this is perfect!
[03:38] <squinn> Thanks everyone.
[03:40] <TerminX> somebody should update the topic to mention that X is fixed and to see Daniel's posting to ubuntu-devel for details before upgrading
[05:46] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:54] <hub> upgraded to today breezy
[05:54] <hub> bot without pain :-(
[06:11] <windex> hi guys. i have a problem with g++ 3.3.5 that is not directly ubuntu related but, well, i figure you guys might be able to help. it's having a problem with a C++ constructor (that takes arguments), and it's throwing a parse error before `{' error. any suggestions?
[06:13] <hub> make sure all the class are defined
[06:13] <hub> and that there is no trailing ';'
[06:14] <hub> how can I get a change in pmount reverted ?
[06:14] <hub> given that there is a bug for it
[06:15] <windex> hmm.
[06:15] <windex> hub: everything appears to be ok. I'm using -Wall and I get no warnings, just a crap out during compile.
[06:15] <hub> windex: bah, don't know like this
[06:16] <windex> google couldn't help me either. :)
[06:32] <windex> hm.
[06:32] <windex> no matter how i alter the code it still breaks. fun.
[06:34] <mdz>         DefaultDepth    1
[06:34] <mdz> that is not ideal
[07:07] <windex> hub, you will be happy to know there is no logical reason for the error. when i moved pthread_mutex_init to another line (as opposed to the first line of code), it worked fine.
[07:09] <hub> windex: without seeing the source, no idea
[07:10] <windex> hub, if you write any c++ class (i wrote one from scratch to test it), and in its constructor, as the first line of code, use pthread_mutex_init, it _will_ bomb every time. don't ask me. :)
[07:15] <windex> hub, thanks for trying to help!
[07:33] <bob2> #c++
[07:33] <bob2> also, if you're going to ask people for help with code, you need to already have the source somewhere where people can see it
[07:39] <hub> why do I get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
[07:39] <hub> "
[07:39] <hub> it is set to en_CA
[07:40] <Lathiat> hub: i keep seeing that
[07:40] <Lathiat> dunno if its stopped now
[07:40] <hub> still with tonite breezy
[07:40] <hub> that's why I'm asking
[07:40] <hub> maybe I miss a package
[07:41] <Phython_> hub: I've always seen that error
[07:52] <hub> not before breezy
[08:37] <windex> bob2, by the time i had reimplimented the code in a form i could share, i discovered the problem. :)
[08:49] <pef> hello
[11:23] <Kamion> elmo: please sync tzsetup and clock-setup from Debian, but make them Priority: extra for now
[11:24] <Kamion> elmo: actually, hmm, just clock-setup
[11:24] <Kamion> elmo: (tzsetup produces tzsetup-udeb and collides with base-config, so I need to check it out by hand first)
[12:41] <Mez> crimsin: ping
[01:35] <theine> On my breezy system, /etc/X11/X is a dead link (points to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg, which doesn't exist). Should this link point to /usr/bin/Xorg or should /usr/bin/Xorg be moved to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg ?
[01:36] <Amaranth> err
[01:36] <Amaranth> /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin
[01:40] <theine> not for me...
[01:40] <theine> it's an ordinary directory
[01:41] <Amaranth> then you have a broken upgrade
[01:41] <Amaranth> you are fully up-to-date in breezy, right?
[01:42] <theine> Sorry, I did have a broken package... Now that I've reinstalled x-common, /usr/bin/X11 points to ../bin
[01:44] <Amaranth> err, it points to /usr/bin/bin?
[01:45] <Amaranth> mine says ../bin too, i guess i just don't understand how symlinks work :P
[01:45] <theine> Amaranth, I guess it depends in which directory you're currently in
[01:46] <Amaranth> no, doesn't seem to
[01:46] <theine> Amaranth, no, it doesn't...
[01:46] <theine> :)
[01:47] <Kamion> ../bin is resolved with respect to dirname(/usr/bin/X11) == /usr/bin
[01:47] <Kamion> so it turns into /usr/bin/../bin == /usr/bin
[01:48] <Kamion> indeed, it does not depend on your current directory at all
[01:48] <Amaranth> ah, that kinda makes sense
[01:48] <tuhl> Hi!
[01:48] <Kamion> but if you imagine yourself standing in the directory where the name 'X11' is present, it makes sense
[01:49] <tuhl> what about the current state of X?
[01:49] <tuhl> is ist usable?
[01:49] <Amaranth> yes
[01:49] <Amaranth> right now i don't even think it's installable
[01:49] <Kamion> mesa needs to be promoted to main to make x-window-system-core installable; I'm working on a prerequisite for that
[01:49] <Amaranth> err, no
[01:49] <tuhl> ok
[01:49] <Kamion> but fixing whatever it is that's breaking base-config acquired higher urgency
[01:50] <tuhl> in which packare are the drivers cotinaied?
[01:50] <Kamion> xserver-xorg-driver-*
[01:50] <Kamion> (that's really a #ubuntu question, btw ...)
[01:50] <Amaranth> and xserver-xorg-input-*
[01:50] <tuhl> my current system sais it does not find a savage driver...
[01:50] <tuhl> Kamion: okok
[01:51] <theine_> Is one of the goals of this modular Xorg thing to only have xserver-xorg-driver-<my video card> installed, and not all the other video drivers?
[01:52] <Amaranth> no
[01:52] <theine_> ok
[01:52] <Kamion> ah, archive-copier needs to force libdiscover1 into desktop, ok
[01:52] <Amaranth> ubuntu-desktop depends on xserver-xorg which depends on all of the drivers
[01:53] <Amaranth> but you can choose to uninstall the metapackages and all the drivers you don't need
[01:53] <Kamion> theine_: you will probably be able to do that (if you ignore ubuntu-desktop), but the primary goal is more to be able to decouple maintenance of the various drivers
[01:53] <theine_> Amaranth, sure, but that might not need to be the case necessarily, does it?
[01:53] <Amaranth> it does
[01:53] <Kamion> e.g. so that a fix can be made to the i810 driver without everyone having to download all the drivers again
[01:53] <Kamion> theine_: it's not likely to change in the near future
[01:53] <Amaranth> Kamion would have a heart attack if d-i needed to figure out which driver package to install :)
[01:53] <theine_> Kamion, ah, i see, that makes sense of course
[01:54] <Kamion> for it to change, the installer would have to learn about video cards, and that's pretty nasty; furthermore if you changed video cards, you'd have to install more packages
[01:54] <Kamion> our approach for the default install has generally been to install as much hardware compatibility as possible
[01:55] <theine_> Not that I'm bothered in any way by having all the other xorg drivers installed...
[01:55] <Kamion> sheesh, networkless server installs have been broken since 16th May
[01:57] <Mez> hmm, can anyone tell me how to fix a small problem I'm having
[01:58] <Mez> I'm trying to compile something which uses ld -lstdc
[01:58] <Mez> I'm trying to compile something which uses ld -lstdc++
[01:58] <Mez> but, theres no libstdc++.so justa  libstdc++.so.6
[01:58] <Mez> without linking it ... is there a way I can get it to use .so.6
[01:59] <Kamion> you're missing the -dev package
[01:59] <Kamion> also things shouldn't use ld -lstdc++; use g++ to link C++ programs
[01:59] <Kamion> ld -lstdc++ is nonportable
[02:00] <Mez> Kamion, I have the -dev package...
[02:00] <Kamion> ok, in that case use g++
[02:00] <Mez> and I'm working with someone elses package :D lol
[02:00] <Kamion> it may have been changed to force people to fix their link lines
[02:00] <Kamion> I see that libstdc++6-4.0-dev ships /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/libstdc++.so
[02:01] <Mez> ah fair enough - it may just not be in my libpath
[02:01] <Kamion> it shouldn't be
[02:02] <seb128> hi
[02:02] <Amaranth> hi
[02:02] <Amaranth> pyxdg CVS should fix all known pyxdg issues
[02:02] <seb128> cool
[02:02] <seb128> any new tarball planned?
[02:03] <Amaranth> including the filename encoding stuff, we just need someone to test it before we release
[02:03] <Amaranth> neither one of us can make a filename that triggers the errors
[02:03] <seb128> cool
[02:03] <Amaranth> no, i mean we can't test because we can't trigger the error
[02:03] <Amaranth> not because we fixed the error, we only think we did
[02:04] <seb128> oh, k
[02:04] <Amaranth> can you?
[02:05] <Amaranth> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310939 gives some details
[02:05] <seb128> I had an error the other day when I tried yep
[02:05] <Amaranth> ooh, yay
[02:05] <Amaranth> does pyxdg CVS fix it?
[02:06] <seb128> dunno
[02:06] <seb128> and I don't intend to work on that today, that's saturday
[02:06] <Amaranth> :/
[02:06] <seb128> I just started my IRC because jbailey messed libsoup by uploading a package with a soname change without renaming the package
[02:06] <seb128> and I would like to get the new version moved to main
[02:08] <Kamion> cjwatson@jackass:~$ sudo -u katie katie/anastacia | grep soup
[02:08] <Kamion> cjwatson@jackass:~$
[02:08] <Kamion> hmm
[02:09] <seb128> I'm going to do the upload now
[02:09] <seb128> I've just an issue, libsoup2.2-7 has the .so.8
[02:09] <seb128> should I -8 Replaces -7 so?
[02:10] <Kamion> meh
[02:10] <Kamion> you could Replaces the specific buggy version
[02:10] <seb128> hum, the bugged version is here for 1 day
[02:11] <seb128> is that ugly to replace now and to drop the replaces on the next update?
[02:11] <seb128> I mean it's only going to affect people who jumped on the boggus version...
[02:11] <Kamion> should definitely replace it now, and maybe drop the replaces after breezy
[02:11] <seb128> k
[02:16] <seb128> Kamion: libsoup 2.2.5-0ubuntu2 uploaded, if you can move libsoup2.2-8 to main when it's available that would be nice, so I can rebuild GNOME stuff using it
[02:16] <seb128> thanks
[02:16] <Mez> anyone here with automake knowledge wanna help me out (in private) I'm confused as hell
[02:19] <seb128> Amaranth:
[02:19] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xdg/Menu.py", line 1025, in getMenuEntries
[02:19] <seb128>     if menuentry.DesktopFileID not in ids:
[02:19] <seb128> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 2: ordinal not in range(128)
[02:19] <seb128>
[02:19] <seb128> I get this with a wrong filename
[02:19] <seb128> and /usr/share/doc/python-xdg/examples/test-menu.py
[02:19] <Amaranth> latest CVS?
[02:19] <seb128> but gnome-menus works fine
[02:20] <seb128> no, current tarball
[02:20] <Amaranth> that's what the latest CVS is supposed to fix :)
[02:20] <seb128> let me search for the CVS of this stuff
[02:20] <Amaranth> we just ignore files we can't convert to utf-8
[02:21] <Amaranth> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/pyxdg co pyxdg
[02:21] <Amaranth> i think
[02:21] <seb128> correct
[02:21] <seb128> thanks
[02:23] <seb128> $ /usr/share/doc/python-xdg/examples/test-menu.py
[02:23] <seb128> $
[02:23] <seb128> it's supposed to do something?
[02:23] <Amaranth> err
[02:23] <seb128> it's all commented
[02:24] <seb128> hum
[02:24] <Amaranth> oh yeah, test-menu.py is kinda screwy
[02:24] <Amaranth> dunno why
[02:24] <Amaranth> try smeg? :)
[02:24] <seb128> I will not know if that fixes the issue
[02:25] <seb128> smeg was crashing too?
[02:25] <Amaranth> for most people, yeah
[02:25] <seb128>     if menuentry.DesktopFileID not in ids:
[02:25] <seb128> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 2-4: invalid data
[02:25] <seb128> smeg with the tarball
[02:26] <Amaranth> haha, latest CVS doesn't work anyway
[02:26] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[02:26] <seb128> it starts with the CVS
[02:26] <seb128> but all the entry are unchecked and grey
[02:27] <Amaranth> yep, and all of the entries are missing
[02:27] <Amaranth> i'm beating lanius with a stick right now
[02:28] <seb128> :)
[02:28] <Amaranth> he went to bed or something
[02:29] <seb128> bah, there is no hurry
[02:30] <seb128> let me know when the CVS is good to try again :p
[02:33] <Amaranth> will do
[02:34] <Amaranth> he used locale.getdefaultencoding() instead of locale.getdefaultlocale()
[02:34] <Amaranth> the difference is one is a real thing and the other isn't
[02:36] <seb128> lamont, infinity: could you kick gnome-panel build?
[04:19] <Kamion> mdz: I've promoted libglu1-mesa and libglu1-mesa-dev
[04:20] <Kamion> mdz: anastacia also wants to promote mesag3, but I'm leaving that for now because the dependency is actually on mesag3 | libgl1 and libgl1-xorg already provides that
[04:20] <Kamion> mdz: (lesstif (build-)dependency ripped out of mesa, too)
[04:21] <bddebian> Speaking of which, is xlibmesa-glu-dev still in the archive?  It was still showing up a few days ago.
[04:24] <Kamion> I demoted it to universe yesterday
[04:24] <Kamion> it'll probably get removed eventually, since it's not-built-from-source
[04:31] <Kamion> doko_: are you/somebody already doing a main inclusion report for hsqldb?
[04:31] <Kamion> if not, please do ...
[04:31] <siretart> bye Kamion
[04:33] <highvoltage> hi. is there a gui-installer team?
[04:33] <highvoltage> sorry- i should just check on the wiki... i will :)
[04:38] <doko_> Kamion: hmm, the sources already are included in the OOo2 source, which already is in main. Is this report still needed?
[05:10] <sivang> do we have a bug with -restricted-modules-686-smp re nvidia driver?
[05:10] <sivang> seems unloadable by the kernel
[05:11] <sivang>  sudo modprobe nvidia
[05:11] <sivang> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.12-6-686-smp/kernel/drivers/volatile/nvidia.ko): No such device
[05:11] <Lathiat> works for me
[05:11] <Lathiat> well, on 686 at least
[05:11] <Treenaks> sivang: No such device? Do you _have_ an nvidia? :)
[05:12] <sivang> Treenaks: yeah, ofcourse
[05:12] <sivang> Treenaks: the .ko is even there
[05:12] <sivang> Lathiat: I'm using -smp
[05:12] <bob2> the .ko's existence iisn't the problem
[05:12] <sivang> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 4195737 2005-08-06 21:05 nvidia.ko
[05:12] <sivang> bob2: then what is?
[05:12] <bob2> it's saying it doesn't find a card it knows about
[05:12] <bob2> does lrm-2.6.8 work?
[05:12] <sivang> bob2: so the pci address may be wrong?
[05:13] <sivang> bob2: what is lrm ?
[05:13] <sivang> doh, rest modules
[05:13] <bob2> linux-restricted-modues
[05:13] <sivang> bob2: don't know. should I try?
[05:13] <sivang> bob2: I can try revert to 2.6.10-5 with restricted modules , why try .8 ?
[05:14] <bob2> or whatever kernel you used before
[05:14] <sivang> bob2: 2.6.10-5
[05:14] <sivang> bob2: I will try with it
[05:15] <bob2> you've never used the nvidi module before?
[05:16] <Lathiat> an lspci output might help
[05:16] <sivang> bob2: not since breezy
[05:17] <sivang> bob2: this was a hoary machine, and since breezy the nvidia stuff got broken, I've now trying to the first tie
[05:17] <Lathiat> sivang: appropriate lspci line?
[05:17] <sivang> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro]  (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[05:17] <sivang> s/tie/time/
[05:17] <Lathiat> do you know what the actual name of the card is?
[05:18] <sivang> Lathiat: what do you mean the "Actual" name? it's an asus board, if that's what you are asking
[05:18] <Lathiat> sivang: like, what is the card called
[05:19] <sivang> Lathiat: asus 7700 delux AGP card
[05:20] <Lathiat> hm
[05:20] <Lathiat> so it should work in theory as it is apparently gf2
[05:20] <sivang> Lathiat: right it's a GF2 GTS
[05:20] <sivang> (giga texel shader)
[05:20] <Lathiat> (nvidia removed all pre-gf2 support since 6629)
[05:20] <Lathiat> which is why i was wondering
[05:20] <sivang> Lathiat: ah ok
[05:21] <Lathiat> could try the 6629 drivers
[05:21] <Lathiat> just to see if it works
[05:21] <Lathiat> could be an error in their database of card ids
[05:23] <mdz> sivang: check dmesg
[05:27] <sivang> [4295082.160000]  NVRM:  supported through the NVIDIA Legacy drivers. Please
[05:27] <sivang> [4295082.160000]  NVRM:  visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more
[05:27] <sivang> [4295082.160000]  NVRM:  information.  The 1.0-7667 NVIDIA driver will ignore
[05:27] <sivang> Lathiat: you were right :)
[05:28] <Lathiat> :)
[05:28] <Lathiat> ok
[05:28] <Lathiat> didnt know some gf2 ones were included
[05:30] <sivang> Lathiat: this msg is coming out from the kernel module itself right?
[05:32] <sebest> hello, any ppc users?
[05:32] <bob2> best to just ask your question
[05:32] <bob2> but this is a development channel...
[05:34] <Lathiat> sebest, i see you fixed the pygtk buidl stuff, yay. :)
[05:34] <Lathiat> *build
[05:34] <Lathiat> what does it do now?
[05:34] <mjg59> jdub: Hi
[05:35] <sebest> Lathiat,just displaying a message that you need pygtk, what do you think about using zenity if available?
[05:35] <highvoltage> the GraphicalInstaller planned for October, is that planned to be a generic graphical installer that just somehow works, or the big ambitious graphical debian-installer? i couldn't make out from the wiki...
[05:35] <Lathiat> sebest: that sounds good
[05:40] <windex> possible bug in mozilla-firefox.. the default setting for paper is 'US Letter', and not whatever CUPS uses, i'm not even sure it can be checked, but I print to A4, and it took me a looonnnggg time to figure out what was wrong. :) the CUPS administrator->printing utility appears to default to A4 all around, having mozilla default to US Letter seems off.
[05:42] <windex> i guess not every printer makes a big deal out of it, but my printer renders postscript directly, and when it's told to format to US Letter, it does.
[06:22] <sivang> does anyonnnnnne have an idea why when copying large files almost all of my RAM i consumed?
[06:23] <Lathiat> probably because its goign through your disk cache
[06:23] <Lathiat> which isnt a problem...
[06:26] <sivang> Lathiat: however, if you think about that I am copying from a non SATA slow disk, into a SATA disk, wouldn't it be probably wise to cache small amount of data to leave me with enough RAM to keep system responsive, as the slow disk I am reading from cannot ever outreach the speed of the SATA disk ?
[06:26] <Lathiat> sivang: you mean the actual cp process is eating lots of ram?
[06:27] <sivang> Lathiat: yes
[06:27] <Lathiat> oh
[06:27] <Lathiat> interesting
[06:28] <sivang> Lathiat: eating 500 MB out of my 512 available
[06:41] <mjg59> mdz: Should we talk about PDA love at some point?
[06:42] <mdz> mjg59: thinking about making PDAs work in the next 5 days? ;-)
[06:42] <mdz> mjg59: we can talk now if you like
[06:45] <mjg59> mdz: Basically, we can't do anything useful with PDAs without lots of ugly special casing until OpenSync works
[06:47] <Lathiat> the palm stuff seems to work ok
[06:47] <Lathiat> and i can synce over bluetooth to my sony ericsson phone with multisync happily
[06:48] <Lathiat> s/synce/sync
[06:53] <tseng> is anyone here that can kill off dbus-mono?
[06:53] <tseng> its even in main somehow
[06:55] <mdz> mjg59: so there's nothing we can even attempt for Breezy?
[06:57] <mjg59> mdz: I don't think so, no
[07:00] <mdz> tseng: I can demote it
[07:00] <tseng> mdz: its not needed at all.
[07:00] <tseng> mdz: we've been building it in "dbus" source for most of breezy
[07:01] <mdz> tseng: it was pulled in for libdbus-cil
[07:01] <tseng> mdz: yes, libdbus-1-cil comes from dbus now
[07:02] <tseng> libdbus-cil has no more rdepends
[07:02] <mdz> yes, it was on anastacia's list of suggested demotions
[07:02] <mdz> but I don't aggressively move things back to universe without being prodded
[07:03] <mdz> sometimes dependencies go away and come back during transitions, etc.
[07:04] <tseng> oh im not criticizing for you not picking it up or whatever
[07:04] <tseng> it just popped up on UnmetDeps, and its a dead package.
[07:10] <highvoltage> mdz: hi. are you busy atm? i can bother you later if you want...
[07:13] <mdz> tseng: oh, it should be removed completely?
[07:13] <mdz> tseng: you'll need to mail James for that
[07:13] <mdz> I've moved it into universe
[07:13] <tseng> mdz: ah, will do. thanks
[07:13] <mdz> highvoltage: what's up?
[07:16] <highvoltage> mdz: i decided to try to hack together a graphical ubuntu installer for tuxlabs, but now that i look at the way i plan it to work, it might eventually be feasable to work as an official ubuntu installer, there might be some limitations thought, that's where I need to ask you something.
[07:16] <highvoltage> what i plan to do is, have a small environment that starts xorg, a gecko browser, etc, which basically guides you through the installation options.
[07:17] <highvoltage> (some early toying around: http://jonathancarter.co.za/projects/tust/lang.xul http://jonathancarter.co.za/projects/tust/opts.xul)
[07:17] <highvoltage> then, it would write output to a kickstart file.
[07:17] <highvoltage> What I'd like to know from you is,
[07:18] <mdz> you might consider using system-config-kickstart
[07:18] <highvoltage> would it be possible to specify that kickstart file to debian installer after the cd has booted up? I know you would normally specify it at boot.
[07:18] <mdz> sure
[07:18] <highvoltage> i want something  simpler than system-config-kickstart.
[07:18] <mdz> or you could specify the options directly with a preseed file
[07:18] <mdz> kickstart is just a compatibility layer; preseed is more flexible
[07:19] <highvoltage> preseed? do you have a link?
[07:19] <mdz> no
[07:19] <mdz> I think there may be some documentation in the d-i manual
[07:20] <mdz> it's basically a way to specify arbitrary debconf values to d-i
[07:20] <highvoltage> ok. i'll look there.
[07:20] <highvoltage> thanks for the tip.
[07:21] <mdz> highvoltage: you should probably look at UbuntuExpress as well, before starting a new installer
[07:22] <highvoltage> is UbuntuExpress downloadable?
[07:22] <mdz> I'm expecting a code drop on Monday
[07:22] <highvoltage> I don't really want to do a new installer, just a frontend that makes the kickstart file, and then as d-i installs, the gui should show progress, banners, etc.
[07:22] <highvoltage> cool. that sounds real exciting.
[07:22] <mdz> there's a prototype in the ubuntu-express package in breezy, but there's nothing to see but a backend
[07:23] <Lathiat> highvoltage: well you can make the installer dump out a kickstart file
[07:23] <Lathiat> highvoltage: for the install you just did
[07:23] <Lathiat> not sure how but i was told you can
[07:23] <mdz> UE has the advantage of having a full desktop environment to play with
[07:23] <mdz> GNOME and KDE UIs, etc.
[07:25] <highvoltage> Lathiat: that would defeat the purpose, i don't want to use kickstart to automate things, i want to use kickstart as an interface between my front-end and debian-installer :) (i realise it sounds strange)
[07:26] <mdz> there's really no reason to use kickstart unless you have existing kickstart files you want to adapt to ubuntu, or it's an interface you're used to having
[07:26] <mdz> preseed is the native way to do it
[07:26] <Lathiat> highvoltage: oh, i see
[07:26] <highvoltage> ok, then preseed is definately the way i should go. i'm downloading the d-i manual now. i think that will help me a lot.
[07:27] <Lathiat> highvoltage: iirc the frontend to d-i is pluggable too
[07:27] <Lathiat> so thats another way of doing it...
[07:27] <Lathiat> possibly a better one
[07:27] <Lathiat> but i could be wrong
[07:27] <Lathiat> depends on your exact goals i guess
[07:28] <highvoltage> possibly, yes. might be more work though? the reason why i initially thought kickstart is, that it would be very little work (few things that just has to change in the file). preseed probably works similar.
[07:28] <Lathiat> what are you trying to do?
[07:29] <highvoltage> Lathiat: the same thing i try to do every night, destroy microsoft :)
[07:29] <Lathiat> haha
[07:29] <Lathiat> like, a general grpahical installer
[07:29] <highvoltage> yes, a general graphical installer.
[07:29] <highvoltage> not something official, or fancy.
[07:29] <highvoltage> but something that looks good, is easy to use, and works.
[07:29] <highvoltage> *and* uses d-i :)
[07:30] <Lathiat> if so, i would think (with know actual nowledge to base this on), that a d-i frontend (im pretty sure you can make them) would be better in the sense that its customizable the same was as d-i is
[07:30] <Lathiat> however youd probably end up following the same basic install process, you might want to do somethign different, im not sure
[07:31] <highvoltage> i think d-i changes little enough to have a slightly different front-end for the gui.
[07:31] <Lathiat> anyway, to sleep i go
[07:31] <highvoltage> you can combine some of the d-i screens and have next screens you have to work through.
[07:31] <highvoltage> Lathiat: ok. goodnight.
[07:31] <highvoltage> (have fewer next screens)
[07:39] <mdz> doko_: is openoffice.org2-debian-files really obsolete?
[07:45] <mdz> doko_: it wants to move to universe
[07:47] <doko_> mdz: it can be removed
[07:48] <mdz> doko_: then please send a removal request to elmo
[07:49] <doko_> mdz: ok, will do
[07:59] <dholbach_> is anybody there who can kill my criawips upload?
[07:59] <dholbach_> elmo? infinity? lamont? i was stupid enough to not upload it to revu
[08:01] <mdz> dholbach_: it's waiting in queue/new
[08:01] <mdz> so just email elmo
[08:02] <dholbach_> mdz: thank you, will do immediately
[08:02] <mdz> and he will reject it when he processes the queue
[08:02] <dholbach_> <- ouch
[08:06] <dholbach_> mdz: thank you very much - i'll be out for the rest of the day :)
[08:06] <dholbach_> should be better :-)
[08:13] <dholbach_> *wave*
[08:20] <wasabi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Debian-package-cycle.png
[08:24] <highvoltage> that's real cool :)
[08:43] <sladen> wasabi: I love the way it shows how ...simple ...the process is
[09:27] <sivang> mdz: how can I get the Nvidia Legacy Drivers as the dmesg msg says? are they available through the repo?
[09:55] <windex> have there been any reports of NPTL not working right on ubuntu? setuid/setgid are not working across threads on my ubuntu install.
[09:55] <windex> but on fedora core 4, they work.
[09:56] <windex> example: http://www.windex.org/random/test.c
[09:57] <Mithrandir> windex: what is the expected output?
[09:58] <windex> Mithrandir, both threads will report 65534 as their gid
[09:58] <windex> Mithrandir, even though only the child thread calls it.
[10:00] <windex> not gid, uid.
[10:00] <windex> meh.
[10:02] <Mithrandir> hm, I'm not sure how it's supposed to work.  I suggest you prod jbailey when he's around.
[10:03] <windex> okay. POSIX calls for setuid() in any thread as part of a process to become global. LinuxThreads did not do this properly, but NPTL is suposed to.
[10:04] <Mithrandir> so Ubuntu is right by changing the uid of all the threads?
[10:05] <windex> no, ubuntu is wrong because the main process reports uid 0, and the child reports uid 65534
[10:05] <windex> both should report 65534 if its working correctly.
[10:06] <windex> ubuntu _is_ using NPTL, though, because a multithreaded application correctly shows up as one entry on the process list.
[10:06] <Mithrandir> i am -1210250592, my uid is 65534.
[10:06] <Mithrandir> i am -1210254416, my uid is 65534.
[10:06] <Mithrandir> appears to be right here.
[10:06] <Mithrandir> (this is current breezy)
[10:06] <windex> are you using 5.04?
[10:07] <windex> ah. prob got fixed between hoary and breezy
[10:07] <windex> its just weird because ubuntu has the foundation, in code, for it to work correctly, according to version numbers.
[10:08] <Mithrandir> 5.04 has glibc 2.3.2, breezy has 2.3.5
[10:09] <Mithrandir> so it probably got fixed in between there
[10:09] <windex> yup.
[10:09] <windex> is libcap still in breezy?
[10:10] <windex> i'll just build the application to depend on libcap, and use cap_net_bind_service.
[10:10] <Mithrandir> libcap1 is Priority: required, so I don't see it going away anytime soon
[10:10] <Mithrandir> hello Simira
[10:10] <windex> k. thanks. :)
[10:11] <Simira> Mithrandir :p
[10:11] <Mithrandir> windex: we didn't upgrade glibc to the newer version for hoary to keep compatibility with Sarge, both it's bugs and its features. :-)  Seems like we lost a little bit on the NPTL front by doing that.
[10:11] <Nafallo> Simira: hi! :-D
[10:11] <Simira> Nafallo: hi there! How are the kids?
[10:12] <Simira> :p
[10:12] <mako> does someone want to read an essay i wrote about the ubuntu development process before i stick it on the InterWeb
[10:12] <mako> ?
[10:12] <windex> Mithrandir, it's not that big of deal, dropping capabilities (except cap_net_bind_service) and using setuid before starting threads that bind to reserved ports is more secure.
[10:12] <windex> Mithrandir, i stumbled across the bugs while investigating diffrent ways for my app to work.
[10:13] <Mithrandir> mako: yes please.
[10:13] <sivang> mako: send away , I'll give it a read tommorow
[10:13] <Mithrandir> windex: bugs are annoying even though you can work around them, though
[10:13] <mako> Mithrandir: it's not long but there is a catch :)
[10:13] <windex> Mithrandir, consider this bug report filed then :D
[10:14] <sivang> mako: what is the catch? :)
[10:14] <mako> you have to read it in a text editor and correct any problems you find
[10:14] <mako> i'
[10:14] <mako> :)
[10:14] <Mithrandir> windex: I doubt it'll be fixed for hoary, sorry.  It's a too big change to change the NPTL version, I think and as it's fixed for breezy..
[10:15] <mako> and then send me the changed version, of course
[10:15] <sivang> mako: hrm :) I am way busy with lpint-bonnobo, the launchapd integratio helper lib the bonnobo edition :) not sure how much correctio I can give
[10:15] <windex> Mithrandir, not a problem. i reported it. that's my job. you're telling me it's fixed in breezy, that's your job. :)
[10:15] <Mithrandir> mako: ok then, mail it to me
[10:15] <mako> Mithrandir: will do.. thanks :)
[10:16] <mako> i'm finishing my least read through it.. will send it in like half an nour
[10:16] <Mithrandir> windex: yup, just asking you not to hold your breath, unless you're willing to hold it until October. ;-)
[10:16] <windex> at least this isin't like debian where the bugfix would be expected in, what, 2009? :)
[10:17] <highvoltage> windex: don't diss debian
[10:18] <windex> i love debian. i run it on all my servers. does not change the fact they have far and few between stable releases. :)
[10:19] <highvoltage> mako: i'd like to see that text file :)
[10:19] <highvoltage> windex: true.
[10:20] <mako> highvoltage: email?
[10:21] <Nafallo> mako: add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to that list :-)
[10:21] <mako> Nafallo: brilliant
[10:21] <mako> it's, unfortunately, docbook
[10:21] <mako> linuxtag requirements
[10:21] <mako> either that or openoffice
[10:23] <highvoltage> mako<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:27] <sivang> highvoltage: ah, you're with the shuttleworth foundation...nice ;-)
[10:28] <highvoltage> sivang: ah, now i just have to figure out who you are :)
[10:29] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:29] <Nafallo> I am nobody, and god, depending on your POV ;-)
[10:29] <Amaranth> export DEITY="Amaranth"
[10:33] <sivang> highvoltage: heh :)
[10:35] <sivang> highvoltage: Sivan Green at your service Sir :) A devoted Ubuntu Memeber , and ocassional amature hacker (did some g-s-t improvments in the past, and now squeezing time helping with launchpad integration)
[10:49] <mako> Nafallo, highvoltage, Mithrandir: sent
[10:50] <Nafallo> mako: recieved :-)
[10:50] <Nafallo> I love syslog! best. mailnotification. ever. :-)
[10:56] <sladen> Nafallo: do you not read tcpdump as the raw data comes in?
[10:57] <Nafallo> sladen: hehe. I don't even think my server has it installed ;-)
[10:57] <Amaranth> wuss
[10:57] <Amaranth> :)
[11:02] <highvoltage> sivang: hehe
[11:53] <mjg59> tseng: beagle installs, but has a missing (and currently unsatisfiable) dbus-glib depend
[11:54] <mjg59> Now I am going to go and drink beer
[11:55] <lamont> Kamion: is libreadline4 or 5 the plan these days?


[00:50] <Omnifrog_> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/01/2323246/microsoft-to-can-skype-api-third-party-products-will-not-work
[06:16] <netritious> twayneprice: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/11/how-to-avoid-cryptolocker-ransomware/ <--fourth paragraph...it's been around.
[06:20] <netritious> The earliest iterations were defeated because they stored the passphrase to unlock the encryption in the malware itself, although...
[06:21] <netritious> I do recall hearing about "fakers" that weren't the real thing, don't recall that being the norm though.


[00:20] <MFSOT> Hi all, intermediate linux user here, have my home boxes running linux mint and just switched from win2k8 to ubuntu server with a webmin gui, I have an external hdd on my server that I would like to be able to access/share/write to and it's proving to be difficult via the webmin, I've read I should SSH into the server, this that and the other thing, just looking for opinions and some help
[00:27] <ScottK> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is not a bad place to start.
[00:27] <MFSOT> thanks bud
[00:28] <MFSOT> took a lot of effort to be a dick
[00:31] <qman__> MFSOT, firstly, that was a perfectly valid response, and secondly
[00:31] <qman__> !webmin
[00:32] <qman__> all of that said, you need to get a bit more specific in what it is you want to accomplish
[00:32] <histo> Why would outlook completely fail at sending mail from my server when other clients work fine
[00:32] <histo> ughhh
[00:33] <histo> I'd assume it has to do with starttls or something goofy. Anyone experience this?
[00:33] <histo> Running postfix/dovecot setup with virtual users controleld by text files
[00:33] <qman__> because microsoft follows standards about as well as square pegs fit in round holes
[00:33] <qman__> outlook, and only outlook, requires a non-standard auth line to work on your server
[00:34] <histo> qman__: what is the non-standard line and where in the config do I put it?
[00:34] <qman__> everybody else uses "AUTH PLAIN", but outlook requires "AUTH=PLAIN" to be accepted
[00:34] <qman__> there's a bit in the default config file regarding this
[00:35] <qman__> you need to make sure it's enabled
[00:35] <histo> qman__: in postfix's config?
[00:36] <qman__> yes
[00:36] <qman__> this may be helpful: http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/2008/04/outlook-is-driving-me-nuts.html
[00:36] <histo> qman__: I don't see it anywhere
[00:36] <histo> k will read
[00:37] <histo> i've added both those changes
[00:37] <histo> already
[00:37] <histo> qman__: With no luck
[00:37] <MFSOT> qman__ I appreciate your response as at least you asked for something and didn't point me to a useless page to try to make me feel stupid, there's too much of that shit on irc - I know webmin isn't supported any longer but I've read that it works just fine and to be honest it's a lot cleaner and easier to use than the other gui's I've been messing around with. I ultimately want to be able to share files on my home network and pipe
[00:37] <MFSOT> in via my vpn that I have set up and browse and use my home file system, I also want to either have an FTP site or SSL site, a way to share larger files with friends basically
[00:38] <qman__> "works just fine" is anecdotal, I've seen it break plenty of stuff, and if you come here with broken stuff and webmin, we really can't help
[00:38] <bobbyz> histo: broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
[00:38] <qman__> but if you want some basic instructions, try the server guide
[00:39] <MFSOT> I'm not opposed to giving webmin the axe, this is a setup I just started today, I was looking at using ISPConfig, or just putting an gui on until I got things where I wanted them
[00:39] <histo> bobbyz: yes I have that set
[00:39] <ScottK> MFSOT: If you think that page is useless, go back and reconsider.  No one here is under any obligation to help you at all.  Personally, I'm done with the prospect.
[00:39] <histo> bobbyz: also have plan login cram-md5 in my dovecot.conf as well
[00:40] <histo> I noticed though when I telnet to my server port 25 it doesnt' display auth anything
[00:40] <MFSOT> well you haven't helped in anyway, considering you never started, glad you're done
[00:40] <bobbyz> histo: this might be a dumb question, but you issued a 'postfix reload' after you set that in /etc/postfix/main.cf right?
[00:40] <histo> bobbyz: It's been set that way the entire time i've been trying let me restart just to be sure
[00:40] <ScottK> Also look in /var/log/mail.log for information about what's going on.  Both postfix and dovecot log there.
[00:42] <histo> bobbyz: qman__ still getting relay access denied from windows live clients
[00:43] <histo> ScottK: yeah i'm tailing the log but it just rejects it and says relay access denied
[00:43] <qman__> histo, are the clients attempting to log in? you have to specifically tell them to do SMTP auth, they try anonymous by default
[00:43] <histo> Thunderbird works perfectly with my setup
[00:43] <qman__> even if you have pop3/imap configured
[00:43] <histo> qman__: yes
[00:44] <histo> I'm testing on a windows 7 box with windows live mail. And it will not send friggen mail.
[00:44] <histo> Just 554 relay denied
[00:44] <histo> So it has to be something witht he AUTH
[00:44] <ScottK> Dunno if it's still the case, but for a long time Microsoft clients didn't support TLS properly and you had to use SMTPS on port 465.
[00:44] <qman__> also, with many typical virtual user configs, the username is "user+domain.com"
[00:44] <ScottK> There's a commented out entry in master.cf for that service.
[00:44] <qman__> rather than "user" or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:45] <qman__> but that should show against any client
[00:45] <ScottK> IIRC the server guide has a decent description of setting up dovecot for SASL auth with postfix.
[00:45] <histo> ScottK: I've been following the server guide
[00:46] <ScottK> OK.
[00:46] <ScottK> If it works for non-MS clients, I'd try SMTPS on port 465 then.
[00:46] <histo> qman__: I know as I can configure thunderbird to login and send mail just fine. Windows live mail is the problem
[00:46] <qman__> just thinking aloud, my go-to ideas have been exhausted
[00:48] <histo> ScottK: If I enable ssl it still errors denying the relay I haven't tried port 25 although I don't see how that matters
[00:49] <ScottK> port 465/SMTPS is a different technology than TLS, so it was worth a shot.
[00:49] <ScottK> pastebin the log entry for the entire transaction.
[00:49] <histo> ScottK: which the mail.log?
[00:49] <ScottK> yes
[00:49] <ScottK> Also pastebin the output of postconf -n.
[00:52] <bobbyz> histo: share your dovecot.conf too?
[00:52] <histo> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675238/ is the mail.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675239/ is the postconf
[00:54] <histo> bobbyz: ScottK http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675244/ is my dovecot.conf
[00:55] <histo> This setup is from the wiki postfix virtual users and domains with clamav
[00:55] <histo> I believe the dovecot.conf has some obsolete settings from the wiki however there are only warnings in the dovecot logs
[00:57] <histo> I added the disable_plaintext_auth = no to the dovecot.conf to get outlook to login for pop and imap
[00:58] <ScottK> So there's no indication of SSL/TLS or SASL in that log snippet.
[00:59] <histo> ScottK: No that's the problem outlook isn't using either. Thunderbird does starttls and just works
[00:59] <histo> I don't have enough experience with these setups to know what needs to be enabled for outlook to just work.
[00:59] <ScottK> What if you enable SMTPS and set outlook to connect via port 465?
[00:59] <histo> I have pop working
[00:59] <histo> ScottK: How would one do that?
[01:00] <histo> I'm kind of confused by the whole listener thing in the dovecot.conf so is postfix actually listening or dovecot??? I'd assume it's just for internal communicaiton between dovecot and postfix but I don't know why they would even need to communicate
[01:01] <ScottK> histo: Look in /etc/postfix/master.cf and you'll find a commented out entry that starts: smtps     inet  n       -       -       -       -       smtpd
[01:01] <ScottK> Uncomment that and the succeeding lines then stop/start postfix.
[01:01] <ScottK> (not reload, for a new master.cf service to be recognized, you need to stop then start.
[01:03] <ScottK> Dovecot only talks to the outside world via pop3 and imap.  Any mail sending/delivery between other mail servers is handled by postfix.  So when postfix receives mail that is to be delivered locally, it has to give it to dovecot (thus communication required)
[01:04] <histo> ahh
[01:04] <histo> ScottK: what would the service imap and service pop lines in the dovecot.conf be for. I don't believe they are even needed
[01:05] <ScottK> I believe they aren't in the default setup if you have the right packages installed, but I mess with dovecot config rarely enough that I tend to go look things up to be sure.  Don't quote me.
[01:06] <ScottK> One problem at a time though.
[01:06] <histo> It's still denying it
[01:06] <histo> New error though client host regjected
[01:07] <ScottK> Progress.  Paste the log again
[01:08] <histo> Apr  3 21:07:45 bremecmail postfix/smtps/smtpd[7524]: connect from h<IP_ADDRESS>.dynamic.ip.windstream.net[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:08] <histo> Apr  3 21:07:46 bremecmail postfix/smtps/smtpd[7524]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from h<IP_ADDRESS>.dynamic.ip.windstream.net[<IP_ADDRESS>]: 554 5.7.1 <h<IP_ADDRESS>.dynamic.ip.windstream.net[<IP_ADDRESS>]>: Client host rejected: Access denied<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>proto=ESMTP helo=<KimPC>
[01:08] <histo> Apr  3 21:07:46 bremecmail postfix/smtps/smtpd[7524]: disconnect from h<IP_ADDRESS>.dynamic.ip.windstream.net[<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:08] <histo> Only 3 lines in log there
[01:10] <histo> ScottK: Those are the new entries in the log. Same generic errors
[01:10] <ScottK> Oh.
[01:10] <ScottK> I thought you said there was a new one.
[01:10] <histo> ScottK: On the client side there is a new error
[01:10] <ScottK> Oh.
[01:10] <ScottK> What's the exact error there?
[01:10] <histo> let me restart postfix to be sure
[01:11] <histo> ScottK: Server response 554 5.7.1 IPblah...: Client host rejected: Access denied
[01:11] <ScottK> Actually the error is different.
[01:11] <histo> Gawd I hate microsoft
[01:11] <ScottK> Before it said "Relay access denied"  Now is says " Access denied"
[01:12] <histo> Yes and keep in mind thunderbid on my linux laptop works perfectly fine
[01:12] <ScottK> So that's an indication you've switched from refusal to relay unauthenticated mail to an authentication failure.
[01:13] <ScottK> I don't have any MS clients here to mess with, so I'm not sure exactly what to do next and I can't mess with it.
[01:13] <ScottK> You're making progress though.
[01:13] <histo> It's still a 554 error though.
[01:14] <histo> This can't be that random of a question getting MS clients to work with a linux mailserver.
[01:14] <qman__> you're sure you have SMTP authentication set up on the client? from what I see it looks like it's not even trying
[01:14] <histo> qman__: I'm ticking my server requires authenticaiton in the windows live config
[01:15] <histo> and it's set to use the same settings as my incoming mail server
[01:15] <qman__> they bury it, http://blog.arvixe.com/how-to-turn-on-smtp-authentication-on-windows-live-mail/
[01:15] <qman__> ok
[01:16] <qman__> just checking, I've seen that problem derail lots of people
[01:18] <histo> qman__: yes I have those settings there. If I try port 465 and requires ssl I get that client host rejected. If I try port 25 without ssl I get the relay denied
[01:18] <ScottK> Does that user name and password work from thunderbird?
[01:19] <histo> in the mail.err log there is an error fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[01:19] <histo> ScottK: yes
[01:19] <ScottK> Ah.
[01:19] <histo> ScottK: nvm that is an old error
[01:19] <ScottK> OK
[01:19] <histo> from hours ago when I was mucking around in configs
[01:19] <histo> It's fixed now
[01:19] <ScottK> Anything in mail.err should also be in mail.log, so that would have been weird.
[01:19] <histo> well the error is fixed but the problem persists from outlook
[01:20] <ScottK> What SASL mechanisms do you have enabled?
[01:21] <histo> ScottK: dovecot
[01:21] <histo> ScottK: and the path is private/auth-client
[01:21] <ScottK> No, I mean like PLAIN, LOGIN, etc.
[01:21] <histo> ScottK: plain login cram-md5
[01:21] <histo> in the dovecot.conf
[01:21] <ScottK> OK  That should be fine since login is what MS clients like.
[01:22] <histo> ScottK: in the postfix main.cf I see smtpd_sals_security_options noplaintext is that potentially the issue?
[01:22] <ScottK> Yes
[01:22] <ScottK> Good point.  Since you're using SSL/TLS you don't need that.
[01:23] <ScottK> LOGIN is a plain text mechansim.
[01:23] <qman__> yeah
[01:23] <qman__> I forget the names but the way it works is, you have to allow plaintext logins, but then there's another setting that says only allow plain over SSL/TLS
[01:23] <histo> jesus christ it works
[01:23] <histo> stupid outlook
[01:24] <histo> okay so now to enable pop3s imaps and disable the others
[01:24] <histo> That way everythign is ssl and outlook can be happy plaintexting passwords
[01:24] <ScottK> Good catch.
[01:24] <histo> ScottK: qman__ TY guys for helping me think through this
[01:24] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[01:25] <histo> Nother notch in my belt for reasons to never us M$
[01:25] <qman__> your linux client must have been using cram-md5
[01:25] <qman__> because that setting in particular is not outlook specific
[01:25] <histo> qman__: yea it was
[01:25] <histo> looking back at old linux client logs
[01:26] <histo> ScottK: I noticed in my master.cf smptd isn't enabled but bsmtp is that normal?
[01:27] <histo> nvm i'm seeing stuff now
[01:27] <ScottK> No
[01:27] <ScottK> OK
[01:27] <histo> Been at this awhile now i'm seeing things
[01:30] <histo> Now trying to enable imaps and pop3s
[01:31] <histo> actually dont' care about those nvm
[03:25] <hachre> I've just installed a fresh server and for some reason it is settings some of my vars like LC_ADDRESS to de_DE while the german language pack isnt even installed. I have LANG set to en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/default/locale but that doesn't seem enough.. What's missing here?
[03:28] <hachre> I also keep seeing this error message on many things apt does: "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory", I'm not sure what it's referring to when it speaks of no such file or directly though since locale-gen works fine
[03:32] <sarnold> hachre: 'locale' will report the values of all the locale variables..
[03:33] <sarnold> hachre: maybe grep -r de_DE /etc/ would be useful?
[03:35] <hachre> sarnold: locale reports en_US only for LANG and the rest is on de_DE... grep shows only the normal aliases in /etc/locale.aliases
[03:35] <sarnold> hachre: how about your ~/.??* files?
[03:35] <hachre> sarnold: I can solve the issue by setting LC_ALL in /etc/default/locale but I'm wondering where it's getting the idea for de_DE from
[03:36] <sarnold> hachre: I think _some_ environment variables can come through via ssh; any chance you've ssh'd in from a de_DE terminal?
[03:36] <hachre> sarnold: nope
[03:36] <hachre> sarnold: oh wait... wow you're right
[03:36] <hachre> sarnold: my machine here has the same issue
[03:36] <sarnold> hahaha
[03:36] <hachre> sarnold: but it isnt complaining about it
[03:37] <hachre> running raring here on the desktop
[03:37] <sarnold> I wonder why (both counts...)
[03:38] <hachre> and I wonder why my desktop doesnt complain about it like the server does
[03:38] <hachre> I have no german language pack installed here either
[03:38] <hachre> youre probaly right and the server takes it from my ssh
[03:39] <hachre> im gonna set all my LC variables right and ssh back in to check
[03:39] <sarnold> at least the desktop I can flummox my way to changing the setting system-wide.. in the settings, language support, there's an "apply system-wide" button
[03:41] <hachre> ok
[03:41] <hachre> the server is fine
[03:42] <hachre> its really coming from my ssh
[03:42] <hachre> nice catch :)
[03:43] <sarnold> woo :)
[03:43] <sarnold> now you get to answer the same question on your desktop. hehe.
[03:43] <hachre> on my desktop the /etc/default/locale has this crazyness set up
[03:43] <hachre> was easy to find :)
[03:44] <hachre> who knows how that happened
[03:45] <sarnold> I've got a vague feeling I've seen some geolocation code in the installer to pre-select "the right timezone" and stuff, perhaps it also automatically picks locales, too? (though that'd put more faith in the geolocate stuff than I'd care to use myself...)
[03:45] <hachre> yea I've been thinking that too
[03:45] <hachre> and it detected rubbish for me when i installed
[03:45] <hachre> but i didnt care
[03:45] <hachre> maybe thats why
[04:42] <gazoombo> utlemming: I'm still interested in learning more about the build process for the Vagrant boxes, if you have time.
[04:46] <gazoombo> utlemming: CentOS is also looking to start releasing official Vagrant boxes: http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=6365
[08:26] <yousaf> Could do with some help
[08:27] <yousaf> dmesg output shows multiple instances of [    0.000000] *BAD*gran_size: 128M 	chunk_size: 2G 	num_reg: 8  	lose cover RAM: -904M
[08:27] <yousaf> its a dedicated unmanaged server, the hosts says they have done CPU/MEM test and are confident that its fine
[08:27] <yousaf> so what does those msgs in the dmesg output mean then?
[08:34] <R1ck> hard to tell from a single line, there are probably alot more
[08:35] <R1ck> could you pastebin the entire dmesg?
[08:49] <Arun_GP> Hello
[08:49] <Arun_GP> Is someone listening?
[08:49] <R1ck> yes
[08:50] <Arun_GP> :)
[08:50] <Arun_GP> I am writing a tutorial on LAMP stack
[08:50] <Arun_GP> My public_html has permissions 750. The problem is when my webserver uploads a fil/folder it takes ownership of that file/folder. So I can't modify them.
[08:50] <Arun_GP> Does you know a method in which, a newly created file/directory(by other users) inherits ownership of that directory.
[08:50] <Arun_GP> I know ACL won't work, because it inherits POSIX permissions only
[08:51] <Arun_GP> SGID inherits GID of directory
[08:51] <R1ck> Arun_GP: you mean when a file gets uploaded the owner is whatever Apache is running as (ie www-data) ?
[08:52] <Arun_GP> and POSIX states newly created file/directory inherit ownership from UID os that process
[08:52] <R1ck> don't pm me.
[08:52] <Arun_GP> Pardon me...new to IRC
[08:53] <Arun_GP> And, Yes that is what I meant
[08:53] <R1ck> ask your questions in here so multiple people can answer them or learn from the answers to your questions
[08:53] <Arun_GP> ok
[08:53] <R1ck> so, when you say "So I can't modify them.", what do you mean exactly, in what way are you trying to modify them?
[08:54] <Arun_GP> R1ck I went to stackoverflow and saw many webmasters are confused by this
[08:54] <Arun_GP> And some of them uses scripts to periodically check the permissions
[08:55] <Arun_GP> But I got another solution fsniper that uses inotify instead of continuous polling - http://freecode.com/projects/fsniper
[08:55] <R1ck> Just answer my question please
[08:56] <Arun_GP> Suppose Apache creates a directory
[08:56] <R1ck> Just answer my question please
[08:56] <Arun_GP> I do not have write access to that directory
[08:56] <Arun_GP> Because Pache takes ownership of that directory
[08:57] <Arun_GP> Did you get it R1ck?
[08:58] <R1ck> answer my question and I'll try to help you.
[09:00] <Arun_GP> Creating a subdirectory inside a directory can also be considered as 'modifying'
[09:00] <Arun_GP> If you knew how to solve this, you would have already did
[09:00] <Arun_GP> DOn't be a D1ck R1ck
[09:01] <Arun_GP> Bye
[09:01] <R1ck> *how* are you trying to create a subdirectory
[09:01] <R1ck> in a shell? ftp? website? rsync?
[09:01] <R1ck> ugh.
[11:21] <shafox> i added the ppa:nathan-renniewaldock/ppa for the latest php and mysql-server , but when i did sudo apt-get install php5 it installed the php fine but couldnt install the mysql-server5.5 showing me this error. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5309328 ... any solutions for this one ??
[11:21] <shafox> i am on lucid btw
[11:38] <R1ck> shafox: find out why it fails to start
[11:41] <roniez> anybody knows if its possible to move the /home folders to another disk by creating a new partition on a 2nd disk for only the /home what would be the best way to go by that.
[11:49] <R1ck> roniez: create the new partition, copy all files from the old /home to the new location, add the partition to /etc/fstab, clean the old /home and mount /dev/newpartition /home
[12:32] <halvors> system.sysLocation.0
[12:32] <halvors> obs.
[12:32] <halvors> May anyone please help me out with the Ubuntu nagios-snmp-plugins package? :)
[12:32] <halvors> I can't get snmp to work probatly :(
[12:35] <halvors> I get the error in Nagios "ERROR: Description table : No response from remote host "<IP_ADDRESS>". " Does that mean that it can't reach the snmp host or that no information could be pulled from it?
[12:35] <halvors> I'm using the check command "check_snmp_int_v1!"GigabitEthernet-[1-6]"" :)
[12:35] <R1ck> halvors: either snmp isnt running or the community is invalid
[12:35] <R1ck> halvors: very snmp is working correctly with snmpwalk first
[12:40] <halvors> R1ck: It is, but maybe my snmp community isn't set probatly?
[12:41] <halvors> I have set the snmp community using this command in /etc/nagios3/resource.cfg
[12:41] <zul> yolanda:  ping https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-novaclient/2.13.0/+merge/157095
[12:41] <yolanda> hi zul
[12:42] <halvors> $USER7$=-C public -2
[12:42] <halvors> R1ck: Any idea? Is it set probatly then? Any more detailed log files i can check for nagios?
[12:46] <halvors> Rick: ? :)
[12:47] <ndee> I have a fresh server and want to install all the packages from another server. This is what I found: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages when I try this, I get following message: http://pastebin.com/D643sp9m <-- how can this be on a total new server?
[12:49] <patdk-lap> easily, likely it isn't a real server, but some openvz thing
[12:50] <ndee> patdk-lap, no, it's a physical server, that I'm sure.
[12:58] <halvors> I get the error "ERROR: Description table : No response from remote host "<IP_ADDRESS>"." when trying monitor a cisco switch using the nagios-snmp-plugins ubuntu package. May anyone please help me out?
[13:02] <rbasak> ndee: are both servers running the same release?
[13:04] <ndee> rbasak, yes
[13:07] <patdk-lap> you did do an, apt-get update, first?
[13:09] <ndee> patdk-lap, yes
[13:09] <ndee> I made apt-get update, apt-get upgrade on the new server
[13:10] <ndee> then got the packages from other server with dpkg --get-selections, then set the new selection with dpkg --set-selections < packages on the new server and now that error shows up.
[13:11] <zul> yolanda:  ping https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-glanceclient/0.9.0/+merge/157106
[13:15] <ndee> adduser, ron and upstart are also installed so I'm really baffled.
[13:21] <ndee> I cleared the selections again with: dpkg -l '*' | grep '^in ' | awk '{ print $2 " deinstall" }' | dpkg --set-selections so everything is now as before. Is there another way to get server foo to the same state as server bar?
[13:23] <patdk-lap> personally, I use aptitude search '~i !~M' -F "%p install"
[13:23] <patdk-lap> do a diff between the two systems
[13:23] <patdk-lap> then install the diff
[13:28] <halvors> How do i set the SNMP community in the nagios commands in nagios-snmp-plugins?
[13:39] <hallyn_> zul: !  uh, can i get you to consider packaging libvirt 1.0.4 for raring at the last minute? :)
[13:39] <hallyn_> zul: it fixes bug 1157626 without a custom hack in qemu
[13:39] <zul> hallyn_:  sure
[13:40] <hallyn_> i'm not opposed to fixing it in qemu, but that's going to end up more different from usptream and debian, which will hurt in the long run
[13:40] <hallyn_> of course, with raring htere isn't really a long run :)
[13:40] <hallyn_> zul: awesome, thanks
[13:42] <RoyK> any idea when this fix will make it to the repos? http://www.postgresql.org/about/news/1456/
[13:42] <RoyK> seems to be pretty critical
[13:48] <ScottK> RoyK: I know that the security team knew it was coming, so I'd imagine "soon".
[13:51] <RoyK> ScottK: I hear from #ubuntu-bugs that the fix was released minutes ago. guess it takes a while to reach my repos
[13:51] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:52] <ScottK> Also, since the release included more than just the security fixes, for -security, the Ubuntu security team will probably have to segregate out the security changes to apply separately.
[13:53] <ScottK> Actually I'm wrong.
[13:54] <ScottK> It looks like 9.1.9 is published to security already.
[13:54] <ScottK> RoyK: Published 20 minutes ago, so it should be hitting mirrors real soon now.
[13:59] <zul> hallyn_:  do we need the enable qemu-spice patch anymore?
[14:01] <hallyn_> uh, lemme check
[14:02] <hallyn_> zul: no
[14:02] <hallyn_> zul: though, if a vm.xml specifies /usr/bin/kvm-spice, will that then still work?
[14:03] <zul> dunno
[14:03] <zul> ill leave it in then
[14:07] <mardraum> hallyn_: re 1157626 I'm here for a little while longer (1 hr?) until I need to sleep if you want me to try anything :)
[14:11] <ScottK> RoyK: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1789-1
[14:12] <hallyn_> mardraum: after you migrate a vm with my patch applied in qemu, have you logged in and really used it?  Do you see any corruption with things coming from disk (which weren't yet in page cache)?
[14:13] <RoyK> ScottK: thansk
[14:13] <hallyn_> mardraum: basically there are 3 ways to go:  (1) my patch, (2) a probably better patchset from upstream, (3) newer libvirt.  so zul is packaging newer libvirt right now, andI'll run a testsuite on it
[14:13] <hallyn_> if it looks ok, we'll try to push that as a cleaner fix
[14:13] <mardraum> hallyn_: yes, I have logged in, run new binaries, rebooted etc
[14:13] <mardraum> all ok
[14:14] <halvors> Anyone know how to use the check commands in the nagios-snmp-plugins package?
[14:14] <mardraum> still using the 12.10 test vm
[14:14] <hallyn_> mardraum: awesome, thanks
[14:14] <mardraum> I'll install some new software now
[14:14] <hallyn_> mardraum: (just saw your email reply sorry :)
[14:14] <mardraum> no worries
[14:15] <mardraum> just installed nginx for example, and the depends all ok
[14:31] <zul> hallyn_:  just doing a local build now
[14:35] <hallyn_> mardraum: cool.
[14:36] <hallyn_> zul: ^ newer libvir tis the *cleaner* fix but after spending 1.5 days on that one-line qemu fix, i'm attached to it dammit :)
[14:37]  * hallyn_ biab
[14:38] <zul> hallyn_:  ftbfs :( ill fix it up
[14:39] <patdk-lap> :)
[14:52] <mardraum> hallyn_: thanks for your time on this one. bbl
[15:16] <zul> hallyn_:  around?
[15:20] <hallyn_> zul: yup
[15:21] <zul> hallyn_:  im just in the middle of uploading libvirt to http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/libvirt can you see why the testsuite fbtfs please
[15:23] <hallyn_> ok
[15:24] <zul> yolanda:  ping https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/2013.1/+merge/157138
[15:24] <yolanda> ok
[15:39] <zul> yolanda: ping https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/swift/1.8.0/+merge/157142
[16:14] <hallyn_> zul: fwiw at least the first error appears to be a real bug in the test driver...  just doing '../tools/virsh -c test:///default list' should show the test domain, and doesn't.  <huh>
[16:16] <bobbyz> hallyn_: I haven't seen all of your above, but have you added '--all' flag to that command?  If the domain is not running, you won't see it in 'list' output unless you tag --all onto that
[16:27] <hallyn_> bobbyz: this is the test driver.  it does show up without --all in 1.0.2, and teh testcases (upstream) expect it
[16:39] <hallyn_> zul: i mean ffs, 1.0.2..1.0.4. has 729-line diff in src/test/test_driver.c.
[16:45] <yousaf> hi all
[16:45] <yousaf> I am having issues with twitter oauth, after debugging i found out that my server can not literally find twitter.com
[16:46] <yousaf> any reasons why?
[16:51] <Fieldy> i'm trying to get an ipv6 tunnel up. I have done this many times on many distributions and kernel versions, however for some reason on this ubuntu server system, i'm getting a problem. any ideas? commands and error output: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5312013/raw/4ccccaba09acfaf5239bba852ed1031d52475d93/stdin.txt
[16:52] <Fieldy> i've done a lot of searching on that error, with nothing solid as a result
[16:52] <Daviey> roaksoax: I know you are committed with a tonne of stuff right now, but in the next few days.. can you work with plars to coordinate MAAS ISO tests for Raring?
[16:53] <roaksoax> Daviey: sure thing
[16:58] <sarnold> Fieldy: a few shots-in-the-dark -- does your kernel.modules_disabled sysctl prevent loading one of the ipv6 modules on demand?
[16:59] <Fieldy> sarnold: i'll have a look, that's actually what i was just now poking around in -- i had formerly disabled ipv6 (because I didn't need it yet) in 3 sysctl lines however I reversed that (by echoing the opposing value by hand to them)
[16:59] <Fieldy> and confirmed that worked by catting them
[17:00] <Fieldy> I don't have kernel.modules_disabled at all in /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.d/*
[17:00] <sarnold> Fieldy: okay, then it's probably not changed (you could check with sysctl directly) -- are the ipv6 modules blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/ ?
[17:01] <Fieldy> ooh, no i didn't. i'm tired and was doing crap like echo "0" > net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6   ...  I'm not sure they're ever going to do it, but it's been on their minds for ages. blah.
[17:04] <Fieldy> heh heh heh. that was it.
[17:05] <sarnold> Fieldy: nice :D
[17:05] <Fieldy> cough: ls                   bin  mysql-backups  net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6  net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6  net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6
[17:05]  * Fieldy deletes those and pretends they never existed
[17:06] <Fieldy> sarnold: unless they have something that much better... leave it alone imo
[17:06] <sarnold> Fieldy: yeah. I've always liked sysctl. it's easier to sysctl -a | grep ... than it is to find /proc -name '*...*'  :)
[17:06] <Fieldy> no doubt
[17:08] <qhartman_> I'm trying to install ubuntu server 12.04.2 i386 on an older P4 IBM server. The installer gets to 77% complete and then asks for a disk change. Has anyone found a work around for this? I've checked all the MD5's and done a disk validation, so I know the media is good.
[17:08] <qhartman_> I also know the drive is good, I've used it to install other distros and versions on this machine w/o problems
[18:25] <zul> hallyn_:  sucks doesnt it have you figured out whats going on with libvirt?
[18:29] <Quest> how to know how much bandwidth is taken on a specific port?
[18:29] <hallyn_> zul: no i haven't
[18:29] <hallyn_> i'm buildign from git right now
[18:29] <hallyn_> zul: i mean yes - the test:///default is not properly registering domain test
[18:29] <Quest> rephrase:  I need to know what bandwidth is taken on trafic on a specific port. how it can be done?
[18:30] <rbasak> Quest: look into iftop
[18:30] <Quest> hm
[18:30] <rbasak> (though that's interface-based, not port-based)
[18:30] <zul> hallyn_:  awesome
[18:31] <zul> adam_g:  how do you want to review these 2013.1 merge requests do you want them one by one or do yout want me to queue them up for you
[18:31] <adam_g> zul, doesnt matter. im actually about to push a keystone bug fix that would be great to get out /w 2013.1
[18:32] <zul> adam_g: okies i havent gotten to keystone yet so that would be cool
[18:33] <zul> adam_g: btw https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/2013.1/+merge/157196
[18:35] <adam_g> zul, https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/raring/keystone/lp1158563/+merge/157199
[18:41] <Quest> rbasak,  how to see traffic on a specific port by iftop?
[18:43] <plars> Anyone here who could help with the maas tests or iscsi tests on iso tracker?
[18:44] <Quest> rbasak,  ?
[18:46] <hallyn_> zul: well, with libvirt from git i don't get thta problem.  wtf?
[18:47] <zul> hallyn_:  maybe something is missing from the tarball (wouldnt surprise me)
[18:47] <hallyn_> true
[18:48] <hallyn_> but, 2 other possibilities:  1. i had to apt-get purge libcurl4-gnutls again to get git version to build.  maybe it built but wrongly bc of that from package.  (re-building to test)
[18:48] <hallyn_> 2. could be osme patch we have.
[18:48] <hallyn_> do you want to try building from the release tarball?
[18:48] <hallyn_> (else i'll try that third)
[19:05] <vedic> I have removed .bash_history file but I still see output of about 10 commands when I write 'history' on the terminal. How to clear history completely?
[19:07] <zul> adam_g:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/quantum/2013.1/+merge/157205
[19:08] <sarnold> vedic: see the HISTIGNORE and HISTFILE environment variables in the bash(1) manpage
[19:09] <hallyn_> zul: well huh, for some reason it does not get past
[19:09] <hallyn_>     if (!conn->uri->scheme || STRNEQ(conn->uri->scheme, "test"))
[19:09] <hallyn_>         return VIR_DRV_OPEN_DECLINED;
[19:09] <hallyn_> (it being testOpen())
[19:09] <zul> which file is that in?
[19:10] <hallyn_> zul: src/test/test_driver.c
[19:10] <hallyn_> zul: OMG conn->uri->scheme is 'qemu', despite "-c test:///default"
[19:11] <zul> hallyn_:  can you do me a favor? can you drop 9002-better_default_uri_virsh.patch
[19:11] <hallyn_> yup
[19:12] <hallyn_> (gonna take a few misn to build)
[19:13] <zul> k
[19:22] <hallyn_> zul: all tests pass with that patch dropped
[19:23] <zul> hallyn_: hah thought so
[19:23] <hallyn_> zul: odd, it seems to have been ported correctly at first glance
[19:23] <zul> i noticed debian isnt using that patch anymore either
[19:39] <hallyn_> zul: i think i see why
[19:39] <zul> oh?
[19:39] <hallyn_> zul: commit abfff210060625af8914e28601f1ec6ed96b05ae switched the order to first call vshInit(), then parse argv
[19:40] <zul> ah
[19:44] <jackln> I'm trying to setyp a PPTP VPN server, what IPs do I use?!
[19:44] <jackln> for remoteip and localip
[19:44] <hallyn_> zul: building with that reversed
[19:52] <red82> can anyone point me at a good resource that I can read up on the process of replicating a mysql database from server A to B such that server B can function as a failover in the even that A goes down?  Application is e-commerce.
[19:55] <plars> is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1463/info still valid? I'm not seeing these options listed in preferences
[19:58] <jackln> Do you know anything about VPNs?
[19:59] <hallyn_> zul: yeah with http://people.canonical.com/~serge/9002-better_default_uri_virsh.patch it works
[20:00] <hallyn_> aaaand.... the machine i was doing that just shut down for no reason
[20:00] <hallyn_> hardware sucks
[20:07] <hallyn_> zul: OTOH, virsh list now gives me segfault.  <fume>
[20:07] <hallyn_> oh, heh.
[20:07] <hallyn_> left some debug cruft in my pkg
[20:25] <hallyn_> zul: i dunno, pkg isn't working for me - won't show my installed vms
[20:26] <hallyn_> or have they been deleted
[20:27]  * hallyn_ slaps self
[20:28] <hallyn_> yeah nm it's working.  now to run the qa tests
[21:47] <cwinebrinner> echo $-
[21:47] <cwinebrinner> echo $T
[21:47] <cwinebrinner> woops >.>
[21:50] <adam_g> zul, not sure if its related to that keystone fix from earlier, but i can't the test suite to pass for the life of me.
[22:05] <hallyn_> zul: so the qa tests mostly pass, except there is some domxml-to-native weirdness
[22:10] <Quest> what is the package name to install GUI  on ubuntu server? (i think its unity or gnome for ubuntu?) (and i would prefer kubuntu GUI (kde) ?
[22:13] <sarnold> Quest: try: 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^'
[22:13] <Quest> whats ^ for?
[22:13] <sarnold> (the ^ asks to install the _task_ named kubuntu-desktop, which is different from the package named kubuntu-desktop)
[22:14] <Quest> really
[22:15] <Quest> if i omit ^. will it install kde?
[22:16] <sarnold> Quest: it'll install the metapackage kubuntu-desktop. you might never know the difference between the two.
[22:19] <Quest>   Temporary failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[22:21] <sarnold> worked for me locally, and with both <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> public recursors
[22:29] <Quest>  I just ssh through public ip to my server. but it seems i cannot ping -s 25 google.com or apt-get update.
[22:30] <Quest> are all ports open by default on ubuntu-server (which is contrary to ubuntu desktop)?
[22:32] <hallyn_> zul: ffs - it dies unless youhave a mem-balloon specified in the xml
[22:33] <Quest> sarnold,  ^?
[22:36] <sarnold> Quest: yes, all ports are open by default on both ubuntu-server and ubuntu-desktop. if you've configured iptables (or one of its frontends like ufw) then of course that'll be different.
[22:37] <Quest> sarnold,  i just installed ubuntu-server  . it updated fine during installation . but now its not
[22:37] <sarnold> Quest: check demsg. check 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>'.
[22:40] <Quest> let me se
[23:22] <Quest> I just installed ubuntu-server . it boots with a black / blank screen and does not shows anything. what can be wrong?
[23:23] <patdk-lap> kernel graphics driver issue probably
[23:25] <Quest> patdk-lap,  what can be done?
[23:34] <Quest> whats the main difference b/w ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop. ? i am having problems installing server . can i go with desktop?
[23:36] <sarnold> Quest: server doesn't come with a gui and doesn't use NetworkManager to manage its interfaces. The desktop variant will use NetworkManager, and come with a GUI.
[23:37] <sarnold> Quest: you sure can use the desktop variant as a server platform if you wish -- I've done that for my pandaboard, which has no monitor connected
[23:41] <Quest> hm
[23:41] <Quest> one add is ssh
[23:41] <Quest>  i can install openssh my self. any thing else that is different?
[23:42] <patdk-lap> there is 0 difference between ubuntu server and desktop
[23:42] <patdk-lap> just what default packages are installed
[23:43] <sarnold> Quest: you can compare the package manifests at e.g. http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[23:43] <sarnold> oh. uh. there's no server manifest there.
[23:57] <Quest> iam having a general error of mounting file systems. iam at shell while installing kubuntu. how to install from shel?