[02:32] <djjeff> anybody else up in here have a TAB 10.1 WIFI (P7510)
[02:35] <RobbyF_> djjeff, I had one :)
[02:35] <djjeff> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:36] <RobbyF_> I figured I'd say something rather than leave you hanging here.
[02:36] <djjeff> I have Ubuntu Touch loaded on my TAB 10.1
[02:36] <djjeff> followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p4wifi
[02:36] <djjeff> I can adb shell and get root
[02:37] <djjeff> but nothing shows up on my screen
[02:37] <djjeff> its black
[02:39] <djjeff> I guess its cause I have a TAB 10.1 from CANADA
[02:39] <RobbyF_> hmm
[02:39] <djjeff> I tried loading up UK version of Ice Cream Sandwhich and my screen would not come on at all
[02:40] <djjeff> had to ODIN reflash canadian version of ICS 4.0.4
[02:40] <djjeff> to get the samsung logo to show up
[02:41] <RobbyF> are you using the latest version of ubuntu touch? daily image?
[02:41] <RobbyF> I think there was a graphics issue on tablets WAYS back on dev preview
[02:44] <djjeff> I used http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[02:44] <RobbyF> I'm not able to help you out sorry. someone here will. gets popular in here around 12 hours from now
[02:48] <djjeff> I guess I should try the raring build
[02:48] <djjeff> see what happens
[02:59] <RobbyF> oh neat
[02:59] <RobbyF> chromium is on the latest saucy build
[03:32] <kc8qvp> My friend wants to install Qt 5.1 and try out the new stuff for Android development.  I told him to add these repos:    ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa  ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper  ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper
[03:32] <kc8qvp> is that correct?  sufficient?
[03:32] <kc8qvp> I was particularly wondering if there exists an ubuntu-sdk-team repo that corresponds with qt5-beta-proper
[04:13] <n00b_> Hello
[04:16] <n00b_> Can anyone help me figure out how to update the time on the phone from Terminal in OS X?
[04:17] <n00b_> When I try to connect via ssh it says Permission denied
[04:20] <n00b_> Anyone there?
[05:15] <djjeff> OMFG I got it WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:15] <djjeff> I have Ubuntu touch on my TAB 10.1
[05:35] <jono> djjeff, :-)
[05:43] <djjeff> no wifi no ssh no apt-get?
[05:43] <djjeff> its a start tho
[05:45] <jono> djjeff, there is wifi support
[05:45] <jono> there is also ssh via the terminal and apt-get :-)
[05:45] <djjeff> not on the build im using :(
[05:46] <djjeff> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/raring/monthly-06/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[06:14] <krato> hi all
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <djjeff> GM
[07:38] <seb128> dholbach, good morning my german friend! ;-)
[07:38] <dholbach> salut mon ami français - comment ça va?
[07:45] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[07:46] <PaoloRotolo> please, do you know where I can find Qt Design 5?
[07:46] <seb128> dholbach, ca va bien, et toi ?
[07:46] <seb128> PaoloRotolo, hey, do you mean qtcreator? or what is qt design?
[07:48] <dholbach> seb128, oui, ça va - heureux que le weekend est proche :)
[07:48] <seb128> ;-)
[07:49] <PaoloRotolo> seb128, I found online "qt desing 4" to design qt interfaces.
[07:49] <PaoloRotolo> Hi dholbach :)
[07:49] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[07:49] <PaoloRotolo> :D
[07:50] <seb128> ok, dunno about "qt design", qtcreator include tools to build interfaces though
[07:51] <PaoloRotolo> seb128, I know, but when I download the source of an Ubuntu Touch app like "Weather", i can't find anything in the design tab.
[07:52] <seb128> I don't know if people use visual tools to build the UI for those, or just write qml code
[09:04] <veebers> tmoenicke: Hi, would you have a couple of moments to answer some queries i have?
[09:07] <tmoenicke> veebers: sure
[09:07] <veebers> tmoenicke: would a hangout be alright?
[09:10] <tmoenicke> veebers: yep
[09:10] <tmoenicke> sec
[09:15] <tmoenicke> veebers: calling you
[09:33] <krato> hi to all
[09:33] <krato> i like to port the ubuntu touch to new hardware
[09:33] <krato> I need some info about porting
[09:39] <TobyK> 'lo :)
[09:46] <TobyK> does anyone have a work-around for when you boot up and apps don't start up (i.e. show blank screen)?
[09:47] <popey> TobyK: sounds like a bug
[09:47] <TobyK> my Nexus 7 is unusable 'cos I can't get past this
[09:47] <popey> krato: we have a porting page on the wiki linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[09:47] <popey> TobyK: I hear it sometimes "fixes" after a reboot
[09:48] <TobyK> popey: yes, I actually added that comment to the bug, but I've rebooted about 12 times now and it's still not working
[09:48] <popey> ☹
[09:49] <TobyK> getting desparate now, tried deleting all my configs from home directory, killing anything and everything, etc.
[09:50] <TobyK> FYI the bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1191144
[09:50] <TobyK> I can help debug this issue if someone wants me to try anything :)
[09:52] <om26er> A recent change in some lower level component broke our autopilot. If the shell is killed and we run our test suite only the first test passes all others fail
[09:53] <om26er> it seems the app textures are not destroyed and it remains visible on screen even if the process is killed.
[09:54] <om26er> mzanetti Saviq ^
[09:55] <mzanetti> om26er: right.. I've seen that too yesterday
[09:55] <om26er> tests pass if the shell is running with screen unlocked, but if the shell is killed (phablet-test-run -n) tests fail
[09:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you know where that comes from?
[09:55] <mzanetti> greyback might be able to help here ^
[09:56] <mzanetti> greyback: we have the issue that we can't run autopilot tests for apps when the shell is running because they are started minimized
[09:56] <mzanetti> greyback: now, stopping the shell is not an option any more because apps are stopped/hidden/whatever too
[09:57] <mzanetti> om26er: FYI, if we would have autopilot tests running on the phone in CI this change would not have made it into the release
[09:57] <om26er> mzanetti, you are right,  we are working on that.
[09:58] <om26er> well we have the jobs there its just a matter of hooking it to -ci jobs
[09:58] <greyback> om26er: mzanetti: this is to test shell?
[09:58] <mzanetti> greyback: no, the apps mainly
[09:59] <greyback> mzanetti: would a testing shell not be best then? One which does not ensure newly opening apps go in from of shell, when shell doesn't expect it
[10:00] <greyback> s/from/front/
[10:00] <mzanetti> greyback: actually it would be best to run them with the real shell... but I opened a but in december that apps launched from command line should be opened in foreground and I seem to be alone with that opinion since then
[10:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, om26er no, first I've heard
[10:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, om26er ah
[10:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, om26er, that should be fixed in the most recent shell
[10:02] <om26er> Saviq, is that not released yet ?
[10:02] <Saviq> om26er, yes it is
[10:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: I flashed yesterday evening.
[10:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: I can see this behaviour since then
[10:02] <mzanetti> let me try to flash again
[10:03] <greyback> interesting, let me see
[10:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, and if you go `webbrowser-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop`
[10:03] <om26er> Saviq, last one from phablet-team ppa is 33hours hold, and I have that installed
[10:03] <Saviq> om26er, and if you do ↑ that the app launches minimized?
[10:03] <mzanetti> Saviq: then its minimized in the apps lens
[10:03] <Saviq> launches full-screen here...
[10:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: without the --dekstop_file_hint its not showing up at all
[10:04] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes, that's required
[10:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah... I think there is some certain circumstance where it actually works... but not always
[10:04] <om26er> Saviq, no in that case it opens in the front
[10:04] <Saviq> it even focuses over a previous app here
[10:05]  * Saviq reads again
[10:05] <om26er> Saviq, as I said if the shell is running and greeter is unlocked tests run fine.. but if the shell is killed they don't
[10:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, did you have a chance to test manta yesterday ?
[10:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, your translation was wrong ;P
[10:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's when the shell _isn't_ running
[10:09] <mzanetti> Saviq, om26er: this seems to work now mostly
[10:09] <mzanetti> I just launched 3 apps from command line and the first 2 of them actually showed up in foreground
[10:09] <mzanetti> If there are already minimized apps running, running another one from the command line brings the wrong one to the foreground
[10:10] <Saviq> om26er, I can't reproduce, I stopped the shell (and removed from /etc/device-services)
[10:10] <Saviq> om26er, and all the apps I start / stop go away
[10:11] <Saviq> om26er, and well, it's unrelated to the shell - it'd have to be the app manager in qtubuntu
[10:12] <mzanetti> om26er: anyways, in general you should work towards the goal that the shell is running during the autopilot tests
[10:13] <mzanetti> om26er: so instead of using -n you probably want to import the shells autopilot helpers and call unlock the greeter before running the apps tests
[10:13] <om26er> Saviq, right, i see the issue on two devices, you have the latest image ?
[10:14] <om26er> Saviq, who should I contact for qtubuntu ?
[10:14] <Saviq> om26er, ricmm
[10:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you file a bug for the wrong app comes to front issue?
[10:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: sure
[10:14] <om26er> mzanetti, there is a way to unlock the shell? I though that needed some help from mir et al
[10:15] <Saviq> om26er, just drag from the right :)
[10:15] <mzanetti> om26er: lp:unity/8.0/tests/autopilot/unity8/tests/helpers.py: unlock_greeter()
[10:15] <om26er> mzanetti, it would definitely make more sense to run our tests while the shell is running as that's our target
[10:16] <mzanetti> om26er: if you want to reuse that you might need to depend on unity8-autopilot in the app's autopilot packages
[10:16] <mzanetti> om26er: also I'm not sure how to connect to 2 different autopilot interfaces in 1 test suite (the shell and the app). you might want to talk to veebers or thomi about that
[10:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: what component is it actually that I should report the bug for?
[10:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's most probably the app manager, so touch-preview-images and assign ricmm
[10:22] <mzanetti> Saviq: cheers
[10:45] <mzanetti> katie: ping
[10:46] <katie> mzanetti, hello
[10:46] <mzanetti> katie: lp:~mzanetti/unity/8-edge-hinting-onPressed and lp:~mzanetti/unity/8-edge-hinting-onReleased
[10:47] <mzanetti> katie: if you care about my opinion, the onReleased feels totally weird to me... I like the onPressed the most. second place is the one in the current image
[10:47] <katie> mzanetti, ooh.. great
[10:47] <katie> mzanetti, i'll have a look
[11:24] <seb128> bah, could io be any slower on grouper?
[11:24]  * seb128 trying to build packages there
[11:35] <Minste> When I get a sms, the phone are really slow until I manage to red the message. also the notification symbol just flashing and shows nothing in the message dropdown. Have to go to phone-conversations and open the tekst to get the notification symbol stop flashing or read the message. Is this a known bug? running mako.
[11:35] <Minste> read*
[11:57] <davmor2> seb128: grouper I think is the worse of the lot to be honest :(
[11:59] <davmor2> seb128: from what I see it seems it is the least well supported ubuntu touch demo devise
[11:59] <seb128> well, in that case I just use it as a buildd for testing a bug
[12:03] <esigolo> .
[12:04] <djjeff> I almost have wifi working on the P7510 TAB 10.1
[12:12] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Contacts | http://askubuntu.com/q/311016
[12:20] <esigolo> there is a list with what is working and what is not?
[12:20] <esigolo> I'm reading the changelog but
[12:21] <esigolo> i'm not a developer so is a little bit confuse for me
[12:37]  * xnox ponders if my nexus7 is screwed or not..... volume down key doesn't work.
[12:37] <om26er> mzanetti, I had internet issues. My question is, to be able to unlock the screen would we need to restart the shell in testability ?
[12:38] <xnox> it booted, hope is not lost =)
[12:38] <mzanetti> om26er: yes
[12:39] <om26er> mzanetti, the current unity shell is always able to introspect, is that something also considered for the QML version?
[12:39] <om26er> for example to test unity 7 there is no need to restart it, it just works
[12:40] <mzanetti> om26er: I'd say no... I think having the testability always enabled imposes a security risk too... especially since its possible to invoke slots through autopilot-qt
[12:41] <om26er> mzanetti, ack
[13:02] <nik90> popey: can you help test https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/clock-fontsizes
[13:02] <popey> sure thing!
[13:02] <nik90> popey: and let me know if the fonts sizes look ok on the phone
[13:03] <nik90> thnx
[13:04] <popey> np
[13:09] <rtg_> ChickenCutlass, ogra_, when updating an N10 from Android, do I need to 'phablet-flash -b' before 'phablet-flash --flipped' ?
[13:09] <ChickenCutlass> rtg_, yes
[13:09] <rtg_> ack, thanks
[13:09] <ogra_> rtg_, n10 doessnt work with flipped yet
[13:09] <ChickenCutlass> oops
[13:09] <rtg_> bummer
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_, I thought we fixed that
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> guess not
[13:10] <rtg_> what device _does_ work ?
[13:10] <popey> oh crud, i can't take screenshots anymore now I've got a flipped image
[13:10] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, well, i havent heard back from rsalveti yet ... and even then we dont have the udev rules for getting SF up yet
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> rtg_, n4 and original nexus
[13:11] <ogra_> rtg_, all other nexus devices do
[13:11] <nik90> popey: oh
[13:11] <popey> ooh, maybe I can
[13:11] <nik90> popey: but that's ok..I just need your opinion about it
[13:11] <ogra_> i dont have an n10 and the ones we have in the team are in a different TZ, that makes everything a bit slow
[13:11] <rtg_> ogra_, even N7 ? I thought grouper was having issues.
[13:11] <ogra_> rtg_, not since the last kernel upload
[13:11] <rtg_> ah, cool. I actually fixed something :)
[13:12] <ogra_> note though that the current image is broken (took 4h to get the fix in the archive) i just started a new build ... wait 2h for a fixed image
[13:12] <rtg_> with your clear directions of course.
[13:12] <rtg_> well, I'm flashing my N10 to begin with
[13:13] <ogra_> well, getting some feedback if it gets to an adb session with the new iimage would help
[13:13] <popey> nik90: having trouble actually starting it... one mo
[13:14] <sidnei> uhm, i flashed latest and now contacts are not showing up, even the ones i add manually
[13:14] <sidnei> oh, same as the question in ask :)
[13:14] <davmor2> ogra_: why does search not work on the home lens?
[13:15] <ogra_> heh, ask one of the UI guys ... i.e. Saviq
[13:15] <ogra_> or ted
[13:15] <Saviq> davmor2, 'cause it's not the real home scope yet
[13:15] <davmor2> Saviq: ah okay that makes sense then
[13:15] <Saviq> davmor2, we're going to make it real soon
[13:16] <Saviq> davmor2, i.e. it's fake data currently (and not even a fake scope, as is the case for video and music)
[13:16] <popey> nik90: ok, got it running.. what do you want to know?
[13:17] <nik90> can you check the font size of the current world locations
[13:17] <nik90> my personal feeling was that it looks too big, however I wasnt sure how they look on the phone
[13:17] <sidnei> so it's not possible to search for installed apps either? eg, i installed the terminal app, how do launch or even get a shortcut to it on the screen?
[13:17] <popey> is it the same size as the word "Search" in the button?
[13:17] <popey> it looks big but nicely readable
[13:18] <popey> nik90: none of the cities wrap or go off the screen
[13:18] <popey> even long ones like Washington DC, United States
[13:18] <popey> Or my fave Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast
[13:19] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-06-21-141732.png
[13:19] <popey> nik90: anything else?
[13:20] <nik90> popey: nope. The screenshot helped
[13:20] <popey> nik90: you know the buttons in the stopwatch are off screen?
[13:20] <nik90> popey: yes, there is a bug report on it
[13:20] <popey> thought so
[13:20] <nik90> popey: I have asked renato to fix it who is very busy at the moment
[13:20] <popey> ok
[13:20] <nik90> popey: besides with the new visual design, that should also be fixed
[13:20] <popey> of course
[13:20] <nik90> I got the desigsn this morning
[13:21] <popey> yay
[13:21] <nik90> will start implementing soon :)
[13:36] <sidnei> is it normal that ofonod is constantly at 20% cpu?
[13:38] <dorsatum> hi, i was following the tutorial given on this page ->http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/getting-started/currency-converter-phone-app/
[13:38] <dorsatum> and the last point mentioned
[13:40] <dorsatum> where we can view and use ComponentsShowcase.qml
[13:40] <dorsatum> that part doesn't work out for me
[13:40] <dorsatum> the ubuntu-ui-toolkit folder that i have
[13:40] <dorsatum> has only examples
[13:41] <dorsatum> any ideas?
[13:41] <mhall119> dorsatum: under examples is ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery
[13:41] <mhall119> that's where the showcase has been moved to
[13:42] <mhall119> qmlscene ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml
[13:42] <mhall119> should get it running for you
[13:43] <sidnei> http://theravingrick.blogspot.com.br/2013/06/the-social-phone.html mentions 'Search the application lens' but i can't find out how to do that
[13:43] <sidnei> is this something that's on unity-next but not on the image perhaps?
[13:50] <pmcgowan> sidnei, you can search it now, go to apps view, click the search text in the top panel
[13:51] <sidnei> oooh, now it works
[13:52] <sidnei> i was trying to drag down instead of tap
[13:53] <morphis> sergiusens: ping
[13:55] <morphis> sergiusens: you're the reporter of https://bugs.launchpad.net/phone-app/+bug/1089431 ; did you restest this with a recent version of ofono?
[13:57] <om26er> mzanetti, wouldn't it make more sense to have the unlock screen thing in autopilot itself? else each app will have to implement it in its tests.
[13:57] <pmcgowan> sidnei, interesting, not an unreasonable expectation
[13:58] <om26er> mzanetti, also jcollado have been able to execute multiple apps in a test suite, though not sure if that's the way we'd like to have in our apps: lp:~javier.collado/ubuntu-test-cases/memory_usage_measurement
[14:00] <sidnei> pmcgowan: it's also confusing that you have to be on the 'apps' view, and it doesn't work on the 'home' view for example
[14:09] <rtg_> ogra_, whats the story on 'adbd cannot run as root in production builds' ? I've done 'sudo fastboot oem unlock' and 'adb kill-server; adb start-server'.
[14:09] <rtg_> this is on an N10 with stock Android 4.2.2
[14:09] <ogra_> you should have done the adb start-server with sudo
[14:10] <ogra_> iirc
[14:10] <rtg_> ogra_, no joy
[14:10] <ogra_> and indeed you need to enable adb in the android UI
[14:10] <ogra_> usb debugging etc
[14:10] <rtg_> done that with USB debugging
[14:11] <ogra_> did it no pop up a question in the screen if you want to allow your PC to connect ?
[14:11] <rtg_> yep, said yes
[14:12] <rtg_> I'll try disabling that, then restarting the adb server
[14:12] <ogra_> hmm, that should work ...
[14:12] <rtg_> drat, same deal
[14:13] <ogra_> did you get any popup on the PC side ?
[14:13] <rtg_> popup for what ?
[14:13] <ogra_> iirc i had that with the latest android version for some devices
[14:13] <ogra_> a gtk popup telling you about the device being connected with a yes/no question
[14:14] <rtg_> I do not appear to have any popups hiding on my desktop
[14:14] <ogra_> i havent had that on all devices, but on some
[14:15] <matv1> Hi, can anyone tell me if Caldav connectivity is on the wishlist for the calendar app? Or is this not the right place to ask?
[14:16] <esigolo> is not possible to run adb shell from windows is it?
[14:18] <esigolo> I mean after flashing
[14:18] <ogra_> why wouldnt it ?
[14:18] <ogra_> as long as you have an adb.exe it should work as it did before
[14:18] <esigolo> adb shell error: device not found
[14:19] <ogra_> well, adbd is definitely running on all images ... try to re-plug
[14:20] <ogra_> sounds like a windows side issue
[14:20] <esigolo> maybe driver ?
[14:20] <ogra_> probably
[14:22] <esigolo> should i install from the SDK manager?
[14:22] <ogra_> androids SDK manager ?
[14:22] <ogra_> nope
[14:23] <esigolo> from where ?
[14:24] <ogra_> i thought you had flashed already ?
[14:25] <esigolo> yes i'm running touch now
[14:25] <esigolo> i just want to access the shell
[14:25] <esigolo> phone shell
[14:26] <ogra_> well, how did you install ?
[14:26] <esigolo> adb push and flashed with cwm
[14:26] <ogra_> and which image did you flash
[14:27] <ogra_> (download url would be helpful)
[14:27] <esigolo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip
[14:28] <esigolo> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[14:28] <ogra_> ok
[14:28] <ogra_> that still uses android as the base so the device side is 100% identical to what you had on android
[14:28] <ogra_> there is no reason for adb to not give yu access ...
[14:29] <esigolo> but touch is runing [2013-06-21 11:29.13]  /cygdrive/c/ubuntu [T801628.AK0033640] â†’ fastboot.exe devices                                                                                v â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”
[14:31] <esigolo> weird
[14:32] <esigolo> with ubuntu runing on phone I should be able to access right?
[14:33] <ogra_> fastboot ???
[14:33] <ogra_> fastboot is accessing the device in bootloader mode only
[14:33] <ogra_> you want adb
[14:33] <esigolo> just to see if i can see the device
[14:33] <esigolo> listed
[14:34] <ogra_> you wont se it with fastboot
[14:34] <esigolo> adb devices also
[14:35] <esigolo> Exclamation mark on device manager
[14:35] <ogra_> well, i'd blame windows
[14:36] <mzanetti> om26er: yeah... could make sense. could you please discuss that with thomi?
[14:48] <esigolo> ogra_: fixed
[14:48] <ogra_> what was it ?
[14:48] <esigolo> just forced to use the driver
[14:49] <esigolo> on the device manager
[14:49] <esigolo> option select driver from the list
[14:50] <esigolo> and select Android adb interface
[14:54] <esigolo> ogra_: how can I send a text msg?
[14:56] <ogra_> go to the apps lens,  tap the looking glass, search for friends
[14:56] <ogra_> i think thats also handling SMS
[14:57] <ogra_> (though dont rely on me, i have no SIM card in my phones
[14:57] <ogra_> )
[15:03] <esigolo> thansk
[15:03] <esigolo> I received a new msg
[15:03] <esigolo> but is just blinking
[15:04] <esigolo> i can't find the text anywere
[15:11] <pmcgowan> esigolo, it will be in the conversation tab of the phone app, the messaging pulldown is temporarily busted
[15:16] <esigolo> pmcgowan: thansk
[15:32] <om26er> Saviq, i have a feature request, unity shell should only support one running instance, if a new instance is called it should first kill the already running and start new. how does it feel ?
[15:32] <awe> ogra_, so any other ideas on udev fix for rmnet?
[15:33] <awe> I tried your rule, and no go...
[15:33] <ogra_> phablet NetworkManager[1079]:    SCPlugin-Ifupdown: device added (path: /sys/devices/platform/msm_hsic_host/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.5/net/rmnet_usb0, iface: rmnet_usb0): no ifupdown configuration found.
[15:33] <ogra_> Jun 20 23:39:59 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1079]: <warn> failed to allocate link cache: (-10) Operation not supported
[15:33] <ogra_> Jun 20 23:39:59 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1079]: <info> (rmnet_usb0): carrier is OFF
[15:33] <ogra_> awe, thats what i'm seeing on flipped
[15:33] <awe> and that's bad
[15:33] <awe> there should be no rmnet_usb* devices
[15:33] <ogra_> now i wonder what is that link cache it talks about :)
[15:33] <awe> there aren't in the non-flipped image
[15:34] <ogra_> Jun 20 22:42:28 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[504]: <info> Policy set '3g' (rmnet_usb0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS.
[15:34] <awe> ogra_, NM is trying to use these devices because they appear to be eth devices
[15:34] <ogra_> thats what i have in non flippe
[15:34] <ogra_> d
[15:34] <ogra_> in your log
[15:34] <awe> don't pay attention to the NM logs
[15:34] <ogra_> heh, well, you attached them :)
[15:35] <awe> ogra_, yes... to illustrate that in non-flipped, NM sees rmnet0...3, and ignores
[15:35] <ogra_> what i noticed though ...
[15:35] <awe> in flipped, it sees those and ignores, but then also sees rmnet_usb0...3 too
[15:35] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# cat /proc/393/mounts|grep sysfs
[15:35] <ogra_> sysfs /sys sysfs rw,relatime 0 0
[15:35] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# mount |grep sysfs
[15:35] <ogra_> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[15:35] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/#
[15:35] <awe> and tries to use them
[15:35] <ogra_> we do mount /sys differently
[15:35] <awe> whatever we're doing, it's not correct
[15:35] <awe> ;D
[15:36] <ogra_> right, so probably try to add a /sys entry to your fstab (that will override the default)
[15:36] <ogra_> with just rw,relatime as options
[15:37] <awe> I'm not sure how that fixes things...
[15:37] <ogra_> given how weird android is, i can imagine the nodev blocks someting
[15:37] <ogra_> (using devices from /sys instead of /dev)
[15:38] <ogra_> beyond that, let me go through init.rc of mako
[15:38] <Joe_B> For the contributor agreement, what if I don't have a "Canonical Project Manager or contact"?
[15:50] <awe> pwd
[15:50]  * awe sighs
[15:55] <mhall119> Joe_B: what do you plan on contributing to?
[15:56] <Joe_B> mhall119: to start with I was just going to browse the sdk and take a look around, so this isn't something I need to deal with immediately.
[15:57] <Joe_B> Are there plans for a wallpaper changer? support for live wallpapers?  I could maybe help with the first.
[15:57] <mhall119> wallpaper changer I believe is on the feature list
[15:57] <mhall119> I don't know about live ones
[15:58] <mhall119> since it's really just a background for the dash
[16:07] <Saviq> om26er, found it
[16:07] <Saviq> om26er, it should be handled via upstart
[16:08] <Saviq> om26er, but then it could fail to start if it finds an instance already
[16:08] <Saviq> om26er, file a bug against unity/8.0 please?
[16:09] <om26er> Saviq, yes will do. if the shell is already running it should be killed and a new instance shall be started. that's pretty much what we have in desktop unity right now
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, only with --replace
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, by default it would just fail to start
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, but that, IMO, should be handled via upstart
[16:09] <Saviq> om26er, i.e. restart unity8
[16:10] <Saviq> om26er, I don't want to build such functionality into unity8, hardly feels like the right place...
[16:11] <om26er> Saviq, so what's the final word should we have a bug for unity/8.0 regarding this or nor ?
[16:11] <om26er> *not
[16:11] <Saviq> om26er, bug, yes please
[16:12] <Saviq> om26er, how it's gonna get solved is a different issue
[16:12] <Saviq> om26er, but bug, yes, please
[16:14] <om26er> Saviq, bug 1193412
[16:15] <om26er> though it went to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/
[16:15] <Saviq> om26er, yeah, there's no way to only target unity/8.0
[16:19] <Saviq> greyback, ricmm, can you please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1193412 whether what I wrote makes sense?
[16:21] <greyback> Saviq: yep, looks ok.
[16:23] <ogra_> awe, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5787218/ here are some more devices that need radio ownership
[16:24]  * ogra_ hopes he has alll now
[16:24] <ogra_> awe, see if that fixes it
[16:25] <Joe_B> In the qtcreator, why is it supported platforms seems to list only desktop for everything? is there an example touch app in there?
[16:25] <awe> ogra_, it's not radio ownership that's the issue.
[16:25] <awe> I'll give it a try, but am not optimistic
[16:26] <awe> I'm also going to re-flash non-flipped to do some more poking around
[16:26] <ogra_> well, we were missing all the permissions for these devices (along with the ownership)
[16:27] <awe> I'll try...but don't think it'll solve the problem
[16:33] <awe> ogra_, so is the plan to just add all this stuff into one giant android udev rule???
[16:34] <awe> ogra_, wouldn't it make sense to create rules files for each device?
[16:34] <ogra_> awe, yeah, and a generic android rule
[16:34] <ogra_> for now one giant one will do though
[16:34] <ogra_> but yeah, i didnt plan to keep it that way :)
[16:35] <awe> so will we try and split before we make flipped the default, and or will we flip and then try and break apart?
[16:35] <ogra_> in fact i think we should have a translation tool that parses ueventd.rc into a rule
[16:35] <ogra_> i would filp first
[16:36] <awe> ogra_, do you have a blueprint you're working off of?
[16:36] <ogra_> nope
[16:36] <awe> as I think it's important to track a WI for splitting apart this giant udev rule
[16:36] <ogra_> there was a flipping BP ... but that was a0 pretty sparse on WIs and b) owned by pat
[16:36] <awe> ogra_, hmmmm... you might want to discuss with ChickenCutlass then.  seems like thi sia something easily lost
[16:37]  * ogra_ doubts that given we need to find a proper way for ports anyway ... but yeah, we might want to create a container-flip-cleanup BP
[16:37] <awe> ogra_, no dice
[16:38] <ogra_> ok
[16:38] <awe> ogra_, can we track workarounds we've tried in the bug?
[16:38] <awe> I'll add what I've tried to so far
[16:38] <ogra_> yeah
[16:38] <ogra_> we will need these rules anyway though
[16:44] <mhall119> Kaleo: ping
[16:53] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I'm looking for docs on using notify-osd with the Ubuntu components ... little help?
[16:58] <mhall119> rickspencer3: I don't think there is an API for it yet, not outside of the shell itself and maybe some custom stuff for the default apps
[16:59] <rickspencer3> oh?
[16:59] <mhall119> AFAIK, none of the Unity integration APIs are available from QML yet
[16:59] <rickspencer3> that bites
[16:59] <mhall119> so, no launcher, indicators, etc
[16:59] <rickspencer3> booo
[16:59] <mhall119> agreed
[16:59] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, how did you do this for sharing from the Gallery?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> ^
[17:03] <morphis> awe: hm, I didn't verified the bug yet cause of a missing suitable SIM card but at least according to the source code some things have changed in the relevant code parts so I would expect the bug already to be fixed
[17:05] <awe> morphis, can you add comments to the bug directly, I'm in a meeting right now.  I will look it over.  Also, did you see my comment about handling error reports?
[17:05] <morphis> awe: yes I did
[17:05] <morphis> awe: pinged sergiusens here to ask wether he can shortly retest with an latest image
[17:05] <awe> sergio is on vacation
[17:06] <awe> please update the bug, and I can test if you don't have the capability to do so
[17:06] <morphis> awe: will get a SIM card with credits tomorrow
[17:06] <awe> k
[17:07] <morphis> let me verify my findings and I will add them
[17:07] <morphis> will do that tomorrow but need to get some other work done today
[17:07] <Kaleo> mhall119: pong
[17:13] <mhall119> Kaleo: hey, I was checking up on some SDK stuff
[17:14] <mhall119> 1) The component to access commandline args, to replace the C++ app launcher that the docviewer is using
[17:14] <Kaleo> mhall119: it's merged for a few weeks
[17:14] <Kaleo> mhall119: however the online doc is not up to date
[17:14] <mhall119> and 2) The background tasks discussions originally included a way to play music in the background, is that available or being worked on?
[17:15] <mhall119> Kaleo: right, I know the developer.u.c docs are out of date, I think dpm was going to update them
[17:15] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, the gallery uses share-app to do that actual share
[17:15] <Kaleo> mhall119: yeah, dpm is
[17:15] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, but what about the notify-osd integration?
[17:15] <Kaleo> mhall119: 2) is not available nor being worked on currently
[17:16] <mhall119> Kaleo: is that planned to be done before October?
[17:17] <Kaleo> mhall119: I think it slipped the spreadsheet
[17:18] <Kaleo> mhall119: it's in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-background-task-service and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissingSDKFeatures
[17:18] <Kaleo> mhall119: I'll put it in the spreadsheet
[17:19] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, even trickier
[17:19] <kenvandine> there is qml bindings in share-app
[17:19] <rickspencer3> :/
[17:19] <kenvandine> a few lines of c++
[17:19] <kenvandine> well
[17:19] <mhall119> thanks Kaleo
[17:20] <kenvandine> now that the new notify-osd has landed in the shell
[17:20] <kenvandine> i bet you can do it without that
[17:59] <svip> I am trying to deploy Ubuntu Touch on an old Nexus (the second newest one, I believe), and after having seemingly been succesful, it suddenly went to Ubuntu's bootloader and complained that it could not deploy the autodeploy.zip file, because the device was no longer connected.  I tried to reboot it, but no luck.  Now when I reboot its bootloader, it says 'Downloading...' and 'Do not turn off target !!' and I can only select START.
[17:59] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, mhall119 pmcgowan tells me that Ubuntu Components sdk integration for notify-osd should come next week
[17:59] <rickspencer3> \o/
[18:00] <pmcgowan> oh man
[18:00] <pmcgowan> heh
[18:00] <mhall119> \o/
[18:00] <svip> What does downloading in this context mean? :S
[18:01] <mhall119> svip: Nexus what?
[18:03] <svip> mhall119: I dunno, Nexus 3?  Maybe?
[18:03] <svip> It doesn't say on the device.
[18:03] <mhall119> I don't think they come in 3
[18:03] <svip> Board name is tuna REV 9, if that helps.
[18:04] <mhall119> tuna?  hmmm, I don't know what that one is
[18:06] <svip> mhall119: Ah, Galaxy Nexus.
[18:06] <svip> Oh great, now I am in the good bootloader again (or at least the one where I can select recovery mode).
[18:09] <svip> Oooh, now it appears to be working.
[18:15] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i'll look forward to that
[18:15] <kenvandine> then i can drop most of the cpp code from share-app :)
[18:16] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, you will be the first to know then
[18:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, excellent :)
[18:18] <svip> mhall119: Hm, nah, I was wrong, after the autodeploy.zip was put on; it now just boots to a black screen.
[18:19] <awe> ogra_, I need to grab some grub, but wondering if you need more debug info from me rE: the 3g bug?
[18:19] <awe> ogra_, I'll be back ~15-20m
[18:19] <svip> mhall119: I always speak too soon!  Sorry; now it is working. :)
[18:20] <awe> I just re-flashed non-flipped and will take a look at sysfs to see if I see the same devices
[18:21] <ogra_> awe, great
[18:27] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, do we use swap on any of the touch devices?
[18:30] <ogra_> stgraber, yep, a swapfile ... but the plan is to get rid of it
[18:35] <stgraber> ogra_: good, I like that plan, because that file is changing between every rootfs .tar.gz and so always ends up in my diffs ;)
[18:39] <ogra_> stgraber, well, not sure *when* we can get rid of it .... ricmm and rsalveti might know .... it kind of goes together with being able to put apps to sleep
[18:39] <ogra_> iirc
[18:47] <rsalveti> stgraber: ogra_: we'll probably keep it for a while, at least until we get some optimizations done in the shell
[18:47] <rsalveti> stgraber: we might change the way we create it then
[19:04] <awe> ogra_, I checked and the devices in /sys look the same flipped vs. non-flipped.  I'll look at the NM code next, however I need to spend some time on the socket retry code next
[19:04] <awe> s/retry code next/retry code now/
[19:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey guys - how do you install a terminal ?
[19:19] <pmcgowan> FunnyLookinHat, there is one in the image
[19:19] <FunnyLookinHat> pmcgowan, in the latest saucy?  I'm not seeing on in my launcher
[19:19] <pmcgowan> FunnyLookinHat, you need to search in the apps lens
[19:20] <pmcgowan> we are actually changing that to show them all by default until categories get finished
[19:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok
[19:21] <FunnyLookinHat> good idea :)
[19:32] <genii> Is the Slimport adapter utilized?
[19:33] <genii> ( on the Nexus 4 )
[19:37] <ChickenCutlass> wtf
[20:06] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, what do I need to import for FriendsDispatcher?
[20:07] <kenvandine> Friends 0.1
[20:08] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, like this:
[20:08] <rickspencer3> import Ubuntu.Friends 0.1
[20:08] <rickspencer3> ?
[20:08] <kenvandine> no
[20:08] <kenvandine> import Friends 0.1
[20:08] <kenvandine> not in the Ubuntu namespace
[20:09] <rickspencer3> thanks kenvandine
[20:11] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, one more ... how do I get the account # from the AccountService inside a delegate?
[20:11] <kenvandine> is the id
[20:11] <kenvandine> it's "id"
[20:11] <rickspencer3> so account.id
[20:11] <rickspencer3> or just "id"
[20:11] <kenvandine> probably account.id
[20:12] <kenvandine> i don't remember.. :)
[20:12] <rickspencer3> hmm
[20:12] <rickspencer3> doesn't seem to be either :/
[20:13] <kenvandine> oh
[20:13] <kenvandine> it's accountId
[20:13] <rickspencer3> ah
[20:13] <rickspencer3> nice
[20:17] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, https://twitter.com/rickspencer3/statuses/348172567355482113
[20:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, nice!
[20:19] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, and ... https://twitter.com/rickspencer3/statuses/348173215039885312
[20:20] <kenvandine> even better!
[20:22] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I have a new version of reddgur in the branch that supports micro-blogging
[20:22] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I can't wait to add notify-osd support, that will be sweet
[20:23] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[20:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, when I get back from holidays, I'll extract those buttons and that dialog into self-container unit
[20:25] <kenvandine> cool
[20:25] <kenvandine> nice component
[20:45] <icoop> hi! I just flashed ubuntu-touch on my galaxy nexus. Now I am trying to add online accounts to use the friends app. On askubuntu someone had the same question but no answer. Does anyone here have a tip for me?
[20:52] <rickspencer3> icoop, you need to use the terminal app to add the accounts
[20:53] <rickspencer3> icoop,  to add twitter do $uoa-create twitter <your-twitter-handle>
[20:53] <rickspencer3> to add facebook do $uoa-create facebook <your-facebook-id>
[20:54] <rickspencer3> (unless kenvandine added a UI for it since I last did this)
[20:56] <icoop> perfect! Thank you!
[20:56] <jcastro> icoop: can you close your question on askubuntu or post an answer when you get it sorted?
[20:56] <icoop> sure
[20:57] <jcastro> thanks man!
[21:00] <rickspencer3> dang it
[21:00] <rickspencer3> is the fact that installed apps don't show up properly in the Apps lens a well known issue?
[21:01] <rickspencer3> arg, this means I can't get to the terminal!
[21:02] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, sergiusens ? ^
[21:02] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, ^ ?
[21:04] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, what's up -- terminal not working?
[21:04] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, App Lens is not working
[21:04] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, the icons for installed apps are all empty windows
[21:04] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, hmm. working for me.
[21:05] <rickspencer3> also when I search
[21:05] <rickspencer3> oh fudge
[21:05] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, do an update / upgrade then reboot
[21:05] <ChickenCutlass> maybe
[21:05] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I installed the Developer Support
[21:05] <rickspencer3> which took hours to install
[21:05] <rickspencer3> and I bet it busted me
[21:05] <ChickenCutlass> weird
[21:05] <mhall119> rickspencer3: bzr merge lp:~mhall119/+junk/reddgur/ to get the packaging files I've been using
[21:06] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, if I just phablet-flash will it install the today's image again for me?
[21:06]  * rickspencer3 tries
[21:06] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, yes
[21:06] <ChickenCutlass> it will
[21:07] <rickspencer3> oh boy
[21:07] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, it shows some weird looking grub-like page!
[21:07]  * rickspencer3 falls to floor in panic
[21:07] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, you running the flipped image?
[21:07] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, if so -- you will see the recovery screen
[21:07] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I phablet-flashed this morning
[21:08] <rickspencer3> so, whatever I got
[21:08] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, also, phablet-flash just fixed my issue
[21:08] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[21:08] <popey> 22:05:19 < rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I installed the Developer Support
[21:08] <popey> did you do that in qtcreator?
[21:08] <rickspencer3> popey, yes
[21:08] <popey> right
[21:09] <popey> i suspect it added one of bzoltan1's ppa's and pulled in some crack
[21:09] <rickspencer3> popey, that stuff needs some QA badly
[21:10] <djjeff> I wish I could install grub bootloader on my tab 10.1
[21:10] <rickspencer3> based on usage I suspect that the functionality is largely untested
[21:10] <rickspencer3> it's starting urk me, tbh
[21:10]  * rickspencer3 shakes fist
[21:10] <mhall119> +1
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> Stella, Stellaaaaaa
[21:11] <rickspencer3> lol
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[21:16] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ grep ppa /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_developertools
[21:16] <popey> $ADB apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper -y
[21:16] <popey> that would be it I imagine
[21:17] <popey> rickspencer3: you may be able to get away with "sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper"
[21:17] <rickspencer3> popey, well, I guess it will all get blown away the next time I phablet-flash ;)
[21:18] <popey> that too
[21:18] <vthompson> Does anyone know how packages that are built in the core apps PPA by Jenkins are built into the images?
[21:19] <popey> vthompson: i suspect sergiusens or ricmm can answer questions related to that
[21:19] <popey> or rsalveti
[21:23] <vthompson> rsalveti, sergiusens, or ricmm  there are currently two packages in the PPA for the Nemo Folderlistmodel QML plugin that music-app and ubuntu-filemanager-app use.  qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugins-folderlistmodel is the older plugin (ubuntu-filemanager-app still depends on this, but I have a merge proposal to change this). qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel is the newer package that music-app depends on. When
[21:23] <vthompson> ubuntu-filemanager-app changes to depend on the latter, the image will need to have that package
[21:36] <mhall119> why the name change?
[21:42] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: I know Saviq was working in a few fixes for the shell
[21:43] <rsalveti> black screen and also into the installed apps issue (blank icons)
[21:43] <rsalveti> vthompson: right, and where is the new package?
[21:47] <vthompson> mhall119, name change was *probably* because the set of Nemo plugins were split up. Now we only need the Folderlistmodel.
[21:48] <vthompson> rsalveti, the package is in the PPA as nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel
[21:48] <rsalveti> vthompson: in the core apps ppa?
[21:49] <rsalveti> if so, the image will already use that
[21:49] <vthompson> the older plugin was under nemo-qml-plugins. It hasn't been built since March
[21:49] <vthompson> Yep
[21:49] <vthompson> The PPA also has "nemo-qml-plugins" I think there's a conflict
[21:50] <vthompson> I don't see the new version in the manifests.
[21:51] <vthompson> Is it because ubuntu-filemanager-app depends on the old plugin still? Will this be automatically fixed when they change their dependency?
[21:52] <vthompson> music-app isn't get built into the image yet, so nothing in the image depends on the newer plugin.
[21:53] <rsalveti> right, yeah, just change the dependency for the file manager
[21:53] <vthompson> Cool, glad to hear it'll be transparent
[21:53] <vthompson> rsalveti, thanks for your help!
[21:53] <rsalveti> it should, if not, just ping me
[21:54] <vthompson> I'll check the manifests once the update is in the PPA
[21:55] <vthompson> On a related note, how do we get music-app to get built into the images?
[22:00] <rsalveti> guess first thing is getting an approval from mhall119
[22:01] <rsalveti> and popey
[22:01] <rsalveti> then just create a bug against https://launchpad.net/touch-preview-images and assign it to me or sergiusens
[22:03] <vthompson> rsalveti, gotcha thanks
[22:07] <mhall119> vthompson: rsalveti: is it functionally ready enough to be included in the daily device images?
[22:07] <mhall119> I don't have audio on my N7, so I can't verify
[22:08] <mhall119> we should ship some sample music too
[22:10] <vthompson> I'd like someone to test on a device to verify that it is...
[22:11] <vthompson> It is usable in my sandbox
[22:12] <vthompson> We still have yet to go through a good iteration of design work, however. The app looks nice, but if we'd rather not change things dramatically on users/testers/early adopters, then we could wait.
[22:22] <Saviq> rsalveti, the black thumbnails is something that will be improved / resolved with the switch to Mir, not working on it now
[22:22] <Saviq> rsalveti, empty icons are fixed in libunity already
[22:22] <Saviq> rickspencer3, ↑
[22:23] <mhall119> Saviq: \o/
[22:23] <rsalveti> Saviq: awesome
[22:23] <rickspencer3> thanks Saviq
[22:23] <Saviq> "not working on it now" == "not for surfaceflinger"
[22:23] <mhall119> Saviq: any idea when we'll have working "Frequently used" section or ability to drag apps to/from the Launcher?
[22:24] <Saviq> mhall119, freq is relatively easy, we need to start reporting data to zeitgeist (we decided for the upstart job to do it)
[22:24] <Saviq> mhall119, then pick it up from there
[22:25] <Saviq> mhall119, drag'n'drop... we can do it within the shell relatively easy as well, mzanetti is working on that within the launcher, should be relatively easy to add dragging from dash to launcher
[22:26] <Saviq> mhall119, but then we have to see whether the system-wide d'n'd support in the platform happens in the mean time
[22:27] <Saviq> mhall119, which would be better to use, because it wouldn't be something internal to the shell
[22:27] <Saviq> mhall119, and would get us closer to d'n'd items onto launcher shortcuts
[22:27] <Saviq> to open
[22:28] <Saviq> mhall119, that said, that's not something we're actively working on now, but it's on various TODOs
[22:32] <mhall119> Saviq: ok, thanks
[22:32] <mfisch> ChickenCutlass: is this coming from hybris? It's new in powerd (for me): [22:32] <mhall119> I used to have a patched launcher file, but it was such a pain to replace it every time I phablet-flased
[22:34] <Saviq> mhall119, oh, that's gonna happen quicker
[22:34] <Saviq> mhall119, it's gonna be a dconf-key away
[22:35] <Saviq> mhall119, mzanetti and Wellark are working on that ~now
[22:36] <rsalveti> mfisch: yes, and was removed with latest hybris already
[22:36] <mfisch> rsalveti: thx
[22:52] <mhall119> Saviq: ah, that would be nice, so it'll persist as long as /home/phablet does
[22:52] <Saviq> mhall119, yup, so phablet-flash should be fine
[22:52] <Saviq> mhall119, only -b would be bad
[22:52] <Saviq> mhall119, but then the flipped container image is coming, when -b becomes only a first-time exercise
[22:55] <mhall119> ah, nice, Android updates without over-writing Ubuntu stuff


[02:21] <DrFoo> Is mythweather already installed?
[04:27] <Tick> hey all
[04:27] <Tick> anyone here have issues updating 12.04 from 0.25 to 0.26/
[04:28] <Tick> I've added 0.26 PPA but cannot seem to do the actual upgrade
[04:28] <Tick> when I try to install mythtv it just says that the newest version is already installed
[04:29] <Tick> Zinn is has the channel died?
[04:29] <Zinn> Hi Tick, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[04:29] <Tick> guess not
[04:29] <Tick> anyone around?
[04:29] <Tick> echhooo
[12:10] <DrFoo> !help
[12:10] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:51] <jKlaus> Hey all
[13:51] <jKlaus> Have any of you had issues upgrading from 0.25 to 0.26?
[13:51] <jKlaus> I've added 0.26 PPA and it seems to hit it when it updates
[13:52] <jKlaus> but when I try to install mythtv it says that the most current version is already installed.
[13:53] <jKlaus> I found a couple forum threads with people having an issue that sounded similar and they were sovled by executing the install with a couple different options enabled.. I tried but that did not work.
[13:56] <DrFoo> When I look at my media library (videos) in gallary view, it flashes a message that there are no videos in the directory and sends me to /mnt. I navigate manually and there they are. It seems my videos path is correct. What else could be wrong?
[13:57] <jKlaus> verify your path is correct
[13:57] <jKlaus> if it is then I might try reinstalling if I were in your shoes
[13:57] <jKlaus> I always get nervous doing that kind of thing though
[13:58] <jKlaus> what version of myth are you running?
[14:06] <tgm4883> DrFoo, permissions
[14:09] <jKlaus> am I the only one that sets my movie dir to 777/
[14:15] <tgm4883> jKlaus, probably. I set the proper permissions on mine
[14:16] <jKlaus> Yeah.. I should probably start doing that
[14:16] <jKlaus> but the Mythbox is only used for myth
[14:16] <tgm4883> as is mine ;)
[14:17] <jKlaus> ohhh well aren't you just on top of your game lol
[14:17] <jKlaus> I used to keep on top of that stuff a lot more than I do anymore.. I just don't have the time.
[14:18] <jKlaus> When I graduated college I thought I would really start contributing to open source but now after getting home from working 10-12hrs programming all day the last thing I want to do is continue programming.
[14:19] <jKlaus> tgm4883, what do you do for a living?
[14:19] <tgm4883> linux system admin
[14:20] <jKlaus> that wouldn't be so bad.. at least then you're staying in the same system
[14:21] <jKlaus> I'll try to get you the logs tonight if you'll be on.
[14:21] <tgm4883> i'm usually around
[14:21] <jKlaus> alright, thanks man
[14:22] <jKlaus> I have to stop chatting on here and get ready for a meeting :-\
[18:29] <DrFoo> tgm4883: permissions are good. read+write by the current user. It is a mounted cifs share, would that cause issues?  It's fine when I manually navigate, it just has issues when it tries to go to the folder directly (when I click watch videos)
[18:30] <tgm4883> DrFoo, depends.  It needs to be readable by the mythtv user. A good way to test is to 'sudo su mythtv' then see if you can cd into that directory and see whats there
[19:02] <DrFoo> tgm4883: mythtv can read the directory.
[19:03] <DrFoo> Do you know how to get coverart for videos such as home movies?
[20:36] <DrFoo> I'm testing out some of the major features in a VM. Will I be able to migrate the metadata, screenshot, coverart, etc. folders to the production machine without loss? (The video folder will remain untouched.)


[00:04] <carresmd_> i find bug with irssi i think
[05:44] <rags> I have a Hardy server with two pppoe connections, now recently the server just hangs from time to time...when I connect to the console this message keeps looping on the screen "unregister_netdevice: waiting for ppp0 to become free. Usage count = 1".
[05:44] <rags>  I gather that it's a known bug in the 2.6.24 kernel, I tried searching for it on lanchpad but could'nt find anything...
[12:29] <Ueland> *test*
[17:39] <[[thufir]]> is it a bug that the mysql ruby gem fails to build?  that is, a bug with ubuntu or a bug with ruby?
[17:40] <[[thufir]]> the build error:  http://www.pastie.org/631636
[17:41] <[[thufir]]> I think it's a bug with Ubuntu, as there are OS X specific solutions, so not a ruby bug, I think.
[17:43] <[[thufir]]> well, I guess I'll file a bug with Ubuntu, then.
[17:53] <[[thufir]]> apport-cli -f -p rubygems is the only way to file a report about the rubygems package, since there's no PID to go from?  there's no web interface?
[18:01] <[[thufir]]> well, kinda annoying that the "file a bug" link doesn't do that
[18:05] <[[thufir]]> filed the bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgems-ruby/+bug/437280
[18:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 437280 in libgems-ruby "failed to build mysql gem" [Undecided,New]
[20:07] <afv> hi
[20:12] <afv> how do I fill a bug if i'm always redirected to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ? :|
[20:16] <jonatin> what are you looking to file a bug for? A specific application or the Ubuntu desktop as a whole?
[20:16] <afv> specific
[20:16] <jonatin> which application
[20:16] <afv> forget it
[20:16] <afv> have to use http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect
[20:17] <afv> hmm.. i think it's pixman..
[20:17] <jonatin> or search the main page of launchpad and then select the bugs tab once you find the application
[20:17] <afv> i get a seg fault in evince when opening some pdf's
[20:17] <yofel> afv: wait, please use apport rather than launchpad unless you have no network connection
[20:17] <afv> 0x00e153e9 in fetch_bilinear (pict=0x8c98850, x=246, y=474, width=47, buffer=0xb723abdc, mask=0xb723ac98, maskBits=4278190080) at ../../pixman/pixman-transformed.c:190 ... 190	../../pixman/pixman-transformed.c: No such file or directory.
[20:18] <afv> apport isn't working, i think.. :s
[20:18] <yofel> afv: which ubuntu version?
[20:19] <afv> karmic
[20:19] <afv> shouldn't apport start automatically?
[20:19] <yofel> hm, should be enabled, nothing to be found in /var/crash ?
[20:20] <afv> nothing special, no
[20:20] <yofel> odd
[20:20] <afv> apport never started for me.. lol
[20:20] <afv> i'm using karmic since pre-alpha
[20:20] <yofel> can you check if apport is enabled in /etc/default/apport ?
[20:21] <afv> it says "enabled=1"
[20:21] <yofel> okaaay...
[20:24] <yofel> hm, I'm no apport expert, but do you get a segfault message in dmesg when evince crashes?
[20:24] <afv> no
[20:24] <afv> no msg at dmesg
[20:27] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, maybe someone else could help here
[20:27] <afv> i'm running apport-cli..
[20:27] <yofel> you could always use 'ubuntu-bug evince' and report the bug like that, but a proper crash report would be better
[20:27] <afv> *** conky closed unexpectedly on 2009-09-22 at 17:51:04.
[20:27] <afv> If you were not doing anything confidential (entering passwords or other private information), you can help to improve the application by reporting the problem.
[20:28] <afv> 2009-09-22?
[20:28] <afv> lol
[20:28] <yofel> sure that /var/crash is empty? ^^
[20:28] <afv> ohhh, i red /var/cache...
[20:28] <afv> lol
[20:29] <afv> is not empty :p
[20:29] <afv> sorry
[20:29] <yofel> that's the place that apport stores the crash info in
[20:29] <afv> hmm i see
[20:30] <afv> ok, i canceled all crashes and now it says "No pending crash reports. Try --help for more information."
[20:30] <afv> this with apport-cli
[20:31] <afv> yofel, can i clean the /car/crash?
[20:31] <yofel> if you don't need the reports in there yes, if you still want to report them no
[20:31] <afv> 277 MB of .crash files
[20:31] <afv> lol
[20:32] <afv> ok, it's clean now.. let's start evince :)
[20:33] <afv> there's a _usr_bin_evince.1000.crash now but apport didn't show anything..
[20:34] <afv> apport-cli says "No pending crash reports.".. hmm
[20:35] <yofel> what does 'apport-cli <crash-file>' give you?
[20:36] <afv> ahh!!
[20:36] <afv> "The collected information can be sent to the developers to improve the application. This might take a few minutes." :)
[20:36] <afv> thanks
[20:36] <yofel> yay
[20:37] <afv> What would you like to do? Your options are:          S: Send complete report (recommended; 27.0 MiB)          R: Send reduced report (slow Internet connection; 183.0 KiB)          V: View report          K: Keep report file for sending later or copying to somewhere else          C: Cancel
[20:38] <yofel> if you can use S
[20:38] <afv> yes, i'll do it
[20:38] <afv> i'm just taking a look at the report :)
[21:32] <afv> yofel, are you there?
[21:33] <afv> the bug has been marked as a duplicate of another.. but i can't access it :s
[21:33] <afv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/437340
[21:33] <ubot4> afv: Error: This bug is private
[21:33] <afv> bug 436193
[21:33] <ubot4> afv: Bug 436193 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/436193 is private
[21:34] <afv> ok
[21:34] <afv> that's why
[21:34] <afv> but 437340 wasn't private..
[21:34] <afv> but 437340
[21:34] <afv> ops
[21:34] <afv> bug 437340
[21:34] <ubot4> afv: Bug 437340 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/437340 is private
[21:35] <afv> weird..
[21:36] <Jeruvy> are you sure?  I can see it without even logging in.
[21:36] <Jeruvy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/437340
[21:37] <ubot4> Jeruvy: Error: This bug is private
[21:37] <Jeruvy> hush ubot4
[21:38] <afv> yes, that's my report
[21:39] <afv> visibility: 	private → public  50 mins ago
[21:39] <afv> but has been marked as a duplicate of a private one
[21:40] <afv> "Please look at the other bug report to see if there is any missing information that you can provide, or to see if there is a workaround for the bug. Additionally, any further discussion regarding the bug should occur in the other report. Please continue to report any other bugs you may find."
[21:40] <afv> but it's private
[21:40] <Jeruvy> ah ya, sorry I see that now.
[21:40] <afv> :)


[00:37] <nacc> slangasek: pitti: i think i've gotten most everyting resolved in excuses except for symfony & doctrine. I will spend some time tomorrow looking at those, as i think we'll need some more bootstrapping possibly
[00:44] <Trevinho> robru: the problem is not the debian changelog. That is fine. Ad I wrote in the email, the bugged one is the bzr commit message. Which should be multi-line
[00:45] <Trevinho> Ad = as
[00:46] <robru> Trevinho: if you write your own changelog, it uses that also for the bzr commit
[00:47] <robru> Trevinho: anyway I can review this tomorrow
[00:48] <Trevinho> robru: Mh ok, but that is not fine. The commit message should be used for bzr commit. Whole the debian changelog should only apply to distro changes
[00:48] <Trevinho> While*
[00:50] <Trevinho> Robru: Ok thanks. Please have a look to this. Since we're loosing useful informations when it's up to blame or review changes
[00:50] <robru> Trevinho: ok, will do
[00:51] <Trevinho> Thanks
[04:02] <Logan> nacc: regarding bug 1592972, shouldn't that substitution variable add php-pear? that's kinda weird
[04:08] <slangasek> nacc: php-zend-search removed
[05:58] <pitti> Good morning
[06:01] <sil2100> Morning
[06:02] <pitti> nacc: php-imagick kickified
[06:10] <didrocks> good morning pitti, sil2100
[06:11] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:11] <sil2100> Morning didrocks! :)
[07:10] <infinity> Trevinho: That fixed it, thanks.
[07:16] <xnox> infinity, sorry that i forgot to push xenial-proposed bzr branch of d-i for last sru =(
[07:16] <xnox> infinity, thanks for committing all that.
[07:17] <xnox> no i did, derp, got my :parent and :push mixed up
[07:18] <xnox> $ bzr pull --overwrite --remember :push
[07:36] <pitti> cking: trusty kernel on xenial gives me http://paste.ubuntu.com/17392362/, and lxd hangs; does that smell like some incompatibility with the trusty kernel, possibly seccomp related?
[07:39] <cking> pitti, syscall 384 on aarch64 is getrandom() and that does not exist on trusty :-(
[07:39] <pitti> cking: ah, meh
[07:39] <pitti> cking: so I guess that won't get me very far; I guess vivid next?
[07:43] <cking> pitti, I believe 3.19 is the first ubuntu kernel that supported that syscall
[07:44] <pitti> cking: cool, that shold be vivid then; I'm currently installing that
[08:01] <mwhudson> slangasek, pitti, etc: call now?
[08:01] <pitti> mwhudson: one minute
[08:02] <slangasek> mwhudson: working on it, yes :)
[08:03] <mwhudson> :)
[08:05] <slangasek> mwhudson: live!
[08:05] <pitti> mwhudson: we are talking
[08:20] <pitti> cking: hm, still happening with 3.19; OTOH, I don't think the fallout is actually too bad, perhaps userspace has an appropriate fallback
[08:20] <pitti> cking: anyway, I'll keep vivid running and see whether it happens there; that limits the bisect space
[08:21] <cking> pitti, yep, thanks, let's see what falls out
[09:09] <mwhudson> pitti: hey i'm going to upload a new docker.io soon with actual sane autopkgtests
[09:09] <mwhudson> pitti: can you remove the blocks that are stopping them running?
[09:10] <pitti> mwhudson: oh, sure
[09:12] <pitti> mwhudson: committed and rolled out
[09:12] <pitti> mwhudson: thanks for that!
[09:12] <mwhudson> pitti: thanks, uploading (turns out i had it all prepared already)
[09:12] <pitti> mwhudson: (and the next worker mass-killing will be on you :-P)
[09:13] <pitti> more seriously, I'll let you know if it still wreaks havoc
[09:13] <mwhudson> heh
[09:14] <mwhudson> this one really shouldn't
[09:15] <mwhudson> next fun task: get this junk in the xenial sru queue
[09:15] <pitti> you apparently have high opinions about your work :)
[09:16] <mwhudson> heh
[09:29] <mwhudson> now i want the publisher and britney and so on to get 100 times quicker magically
[09:30] <FourDollars> Is there any problem that http://ddebs.ubuntu.com is not synced to the latest version? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17393232/
[09:32] <sarnold> pitti: ^^^ are you still the go-to contact for ddebs?
[09:34] <pitti> sarnold: I'm afraid so; I did get a couple of cron mails from it recently, I just didn't have time to investigate yet
[09:34] <sarnold> pitti: hehe
[09:34] <sarnold> pitti: thanks
[09:38] <cyphermox> caribou: maybe http://git.opensvc.com/gitweb.cgi?p=multipath-tools/.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ba2e171eb75f1abc72e939d9cbd9681c56954d0;hp=e9ad6f77a9036e60acc047cc2150a4dce1545578 ?
[10:31] <cyphermox> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17393792/
[10:57] <mwhudson> pitti: argl, some of the docker.io autopkgtests have been triggered by the runc/containerd uploads and are running the old, bad, tests
[10:57] <mwhudson> pitti: if they die and start again, will they pick up the new version of docker.io?
[11:13] <Laney> juliank: I just got "W: Invalid 'Date' entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/_srv_mirrors_ubuntu_dists_yakkety_InRelease" - and the release file wasn't used - for the Ubuntu archive which has "Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016  9:35:47 UTC
[11:13] <Laney> "
[11:13] <Laney> do you know who has the bug here?
[11:14] <Laney> looks like it's https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/commit/?id=9febc2b so maybe I should ask DonKult
[11:14] <juliank> Laney: Looks fancy, I saw something similar yesterday on travis
[11:15] <cjwatson> Not something to do with space-padding of the hour field?
[11:15] <cjwatson> That would maybe account for it not being all the time
[11:16] <cjwatson> Do ask DonKult though ...
[11:16] <juliank> Oh yeah, it expects 09
[11:16] <juliank> not <space>9
[11:16] <juliank> AFAICT
[11:16] <Laney> Could be the same with the day of month then
[11:17] <cjwatson> No, we use %d for that
[11:17] <Laney> The repository affected is non-LP
[11:17] <cjwatson> Ah
[11:17] <cjwatson> Not too sure why LP uses %k for the hour, which we could change, but we have quite a few Release files in the wild using %k for the hour so apt needs to handle that IMO
[11:17] <juliank> Let me check
[11:19] <juliank> On travis it even rejects Sun Nov  6 08:49:37 1994
[11:19] <juliank> no idea why though
[11:19] <juliank> (it works here, maybe trusty parsed differently)
[11:20] <juliank> Hmm, not sure how to parse that
[11:21] <Laney> https://github.com/smira/aptly/blob/master/deb/publish.go#L670
[11:21] <juliank> I tried "%a, %d %b %Y %k:%M:%S"
[11:22] <juliank> std::get_time() seems to be weird
[11:24] <juliank> I now tried %H with two spaces in front as the doc says "leading zeros not required", but that does not seem to work
[11:25] <juliank> Well, I guess I'll figure that out in the next hour
[11:28] <juliank> gtg now, back in ~ 20-30 min
[11:29] <Laney> I hope it's just a matter of permitting some more patterns
[11:29] <Laney> thanks for looking
[11:59] <juliank> cjwatson: Laney: It looks like a libstdc++6 bug, I cannot get it to parse an hour with space instead of 0 padding
[12:00] <juliank> According torkel http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/io/manip/get_time, %H does not require leading zeroes, so " %H" should parse " 9". But it doesnt
[12:01] <juliank> "torkel" should have been "to", sorry
[12:03] <jaksi07c8> hi
[12:04] <jaksi07c8> I'm looking for a way to create a customized Ubuntu ISO
[12:04] <jaksi07c8> there is a help page, but it doesn't mention USB bootable ISOs or UEFI
[12:04] <jaksi07c8> is the way official ubuntu ISOs are generated public?
[12:04] <juliank> cjwatson: Laney: Yep, confirmed: Reproducer: https://paste.debian.net/739661/
[12:28] <juliank> doko: ^ perhaps something for you to look at? - summary: std::get_time() in libstdc++6 requires leading 0s for %H and friends, but must also accept ones without leading 0s; causing APT to fail for some repos that use " 9" (%k) instead of "09" (%H) for hour formatting
[12:29] <juliank> this whole C++ thing is so buggy :/
[12:29] <juliank> We previously used strptime() which worked fine, but requires calling setlocale() around it
[12:30] <juliank> which is ugly and not thread safe
[12:39] <pitti> mwhudson: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#docker.io \o/
[12:42] <juliank> cjwatson, Laney, doko - Reported the libstdc++6 date parsing bug at https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71556
[12:45] <cjwatson> juliank: I think you should probably report this as a Launchpad bug as well.  We can't do much about old Release files, but if %H will work everywhere (which seems likely) then there's really no reason for us not to use that instead of %k and make life a little easier.
[12:45] <cjwatson> juliank: (obviously that doesn't help other archives)
[12:45] <juliank> cjwatson: I hope we get this fixed soon-ish, and it only affects 1.3*
[12:45] <cjwatson> All right, well, whatever you think best
[12:46] <juliank> But yes, you could just change %k to %H
[12:46] <juliank> :D
[12:46] <cjwatson> We should probably prefer what apt-ftparchive uses, which is %H
[12:48] <pitti> xnox: bug 1422249
[12:48] <pitti> xnox: bug 1425575
[12:48] <pitti> xnox: bug 1425627
[12:49] <xnox> and bug 1471927
[12:49] <xnox> barry, ^
[12:49] <xnox> shall we? =)
[12:49] <xnox> there is double decode bug.....
[14:27] <tkamppeter> slangasek, hi
[14:28] <tkamppeter> slangasek, thanks for fixing bug 1592841.
[14:29] <tkamppeter> slangasek, but now krb5 does not seem to make it from -proposed into release again, without reason visible on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#krb5
[14:29] <tkamppeter> slangasek, perhaps it needs some manual kick?
[14:30] <sarnold> doesn't it take seven days to migrate?
[14:31] <tkamppeter> sarnold, no, if I upload something into the development branch (no yakkety) it goes into -proposed first and after around an hour it advances to release.
[14:32] <sarnold> tkamppeter: ah :)
[14:32] <tkamppeter> sarnold, the seven days are for SRUs. They go into -proposed and the original poster of the bug is called for testing and if there is positive confirmation but no regression report in the seven days, the SRU is advanced to -updates.
[14:36] <ginggs> tkamppeter: does krb5-sync perhaps need to be rebuilt?
[14:37] <Laney> transition
[14:37] <Laney> libkadm5srv-mit10
[14:41] <slangasek> tkamppeter: it hasn't migrated because what Laney and ginggs say. I'm triggering a rebuild now of the revdeps
[14:43] <Laney> slangasek: I've got a couple of them already
[14:44] <nacc> Logan: there are other php-* packages that also add the explicit depends (I based my patch off the same) -- also debian just took the same patch, so we can sync now :)
[14:44] <nacc> slangasek: thanks!
[14:44] <nacc> pitti: great, thanks!
[14:48] <nacc> rbasak: if you wouldn't mind taking a look at and sponsoring bug 1592890
[14:48] <nacc> rbasak: that will clear out two more php excuses (i've already sent the same patch to debian as well)
[14:54] <nacc> pitti: i believe both armhf failures from the update php-defaults run are testbed issues
[14:55] <nacc> pitti: php-defaults -> php-horde-imp; php-defaults -> php-horde-ldap
[14:56] <nacc> pitti: the cacti one may also fail again (it was failing before), but slangasek determined (and I agreed) it's not due to the deps, but something with cacti + armhf itself
[15:08] <dosaboy> bdmurray: hi, sru 1521396 is *-done so ready when you are :)
[15:13] <bdmurray> dosaboy: it helps more knowing the package and release rather than a bug number.
[15:14] <dosaboy> bdmurray: 10-4 lemme get that for you
[15:14] <dosaboy> bdmurray: python-os-brick and Ubuntu Wily
[15:15] <dosaboy> bdmurray: hopefully this is the last os-brick sru for a bit ;)
[15:15] <bdmurray> dosaboy: it's been in -proposed for < 7 days.  Is there a rush to get it in -updates?
[15:20] <dosaboy> bdmurray: how long would you typically let it bake?
[15:21] <dosaboy> typically/ideally
[15:22] <bdmurray> dosaboy: "The SRU team will evaluate the testing feedback and they will move the package into -updates after it has passed a minimum aging period of 7 days."
[15:22] <dosaboy> bdmurray: ok no problem that makes sense
[15:24] <bdmurray> dosaboy: looking at the patch again it's basically just one line right?
[15:25] <dosaboy> bdmurray: yep
[15:25] <bdmurray> dosaboy: okay, then if its important I'm fine with releasing it early
[15:26] <dosaboy> bdmurray: sounds good, fwiw this change is in all subsequent versions of Openstack already and was essentiually a type in that release so should be pretty safe
[15:26] <dosaboy> s/type/typo
[15:27] <nacc> slangasek: phpseclib -> php-horde-mapi test failure. I am having a heck of a time figuring out what's going on. If I have my adt-run drop to a shell and run the same command as the d/t/control file, it passes. The reason it's failing (I think) is the deprecation warning (maybe the test runner assumes any stderr output is a failure?). phpunit does raise all warnings to exceptions, but even manually
[15:27] <bdmurray> dosaboy: right, then I'll release it now.
[15:27] <nacc> hacking it to not do that for deprecations doesn't seem to help. Note that this is also an issue in Debian.
[15:27] <dosaboy> bdmurray: thanks
[15:45] <nacc> rbasak: also, if you could add sponsoring from bug 1570472 to your list, that'd be great
[16:01] <nacc> rbasak: have a q for you after the meeting, if you have about 5 minutes
[16:01] <rbasak> Sure
[16:04] <nacc> rbasak: re: cobbler; it's not a merge as the Ubuntu version is out-of-band with Debian (packaged in Ubuntu before Debian afaict). Is it appropriate to requestsync with a simple -- 'want to get to the Debian version'? What is the best strategy for explaining years of Ubuntu delta accumulation? Do I need to go through each released version and ensure it does/doesn't apply to the Debian version?
[16:09] <rbasak> nacc: good question. I think it's fine to summarise. There's no hope of maintaining backwards compatibility, this branch is EOL, so we're deliberately breaking to the Debian branch.
[16:10] <nacc> rbasak: ack, just wanted to confirm, as `requestsync` gave me a whole bunch of delta to explain :)
[16:10] <rbasak> And that we don't really expect people to upgrade cobbler from release to release anyway without taking a great deal of care and reading the release notes.
[16:10] <rbasak> It might be worth release noting this.
[16:10] <nacc> rbasak: yep
[16:11] <nacc> rbasak: thanks!
[16:32] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg: there are no Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in the .changes file for your upload of biber to xenial-proposed.
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry bdmurray
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biber/+bug/1589644
[16:37] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg: I saw the bug in the changelog, but its not in the .changes file possibly because you built it on a debian system?
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> no, I didn't
[16:38] <LocutusOfBorg> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -d on ubuntu 16.04lts
[16:38] <bdmurray> well without a Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed line, the SRU tools won't know about the bug which will slow down the process.
[16:39] <LocutusOfBorg> but why it didn't add it?
[16:41] <cjwatson> bdmurray: hm, really?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/265003294/biber_2.4-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_source.changes shows a Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed line
[16:41] <cjwatson> bdmurray: linked from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1
[16:42] <bdmurray> cjwatson: hmm, thanks I didn't realize the package name linked to the .changes file.  I'll try sru-review again
[16:43] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg: okay, that was my mistake
[16:43] <LocutusOfBorg> wonderful to hear :) thanks for reviewing it
[16:43]  * LocutusOfBorg leaves to home
[18:04] <nacc> cyphermox: around? have some quick questions on the current ubuntu delta for sg3-utils
[20:13] <bdmurray> mwhudson: Is comment #10 a good test case for bug 1574904?
[20:51] <slangasek> nacc: yes, by default anything on stderr is a failure; there's a Restriction that you need to explicitly set if you want stderr to /not/ be treated as a failure
[20:52] <nacc> slangasek: ah interesting, i think that's what we want for this case -- i'll look for documentation
[20:53] <nacc> Restriction: allow-stderr
[20:53] <dobey> i still think that is an insane default
[21:13] <nacc> slangasek: i think the php-defaults -> php-horde-{imp,ldap} failures in excuses are testbed issues, can you mark them as ignored? (or retry?)
[21:17] <nacc> slangasek: fyi, i think all php related packages in excuses now have fixes filed for them that are just awaiting sponsorship


[06:01] <NemosCene21> Try our Pied Piper compression platform guys!
[06:03] <Ben64> stop spamming that
[06:05] <NemosCene21> Is ubuntu compatible for latest version of nvidia graphics cards?
[06:07] <Bashing-om> NemosCene21: With the help of our PPA most likely :)
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> quick jump in before work
[06:32] <NemosCene21> Good morning to you
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> howdy NemosCene21
[06:32] <NemosCene21> But it's afternoon here so.
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> NemosCene21: the joy of timezones on irc
[06:33] <NemosCene21> Fine lotuspsychje ☺👌
[06:33] <Bashing-om> cuppa for lotuspsychje - get his day started .
[06:33] <NemosCene21> yeah..I guess
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tnx mate :p
[06:36] <NemosCene21> geeks shall inherit the earth!!
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:37] <NemosCene21> Please try our Pied Piper copression platform!!
[06:38] <NemosCene21> *compression
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-2-lts-officially-released-with-linux-kernel-4-8-from-ubuntu-16-10-512758.shtml
[06:49] <Ben64> NemosCene21: dude stop with that crap
[06:50] <Bashing-om> Yeah, good tidings for the day: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-February/004036.html
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> well well what do we have here: http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/tips-to-improve-ubuntu-speed
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> the guy yesterday said he uses 18 years on his linux box without cleaning stuff at all
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> thats windows thinking he said..
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> what you guys think of it? does linux need a clean or not?
[06:59] <Bashing-om> Getting more and more self-cleaning ; but I still believe in clean, autoclean; and autoremove ; not to mention " dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs sudo dpkg --purge " :)
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: nice one
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> ok its work time, have a nice one guys :p
[07:02] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Notice whn ya run autoremove . and then ' dpkg -l | grel linux ' ya still have files marked as 'rc' . I like it clean and remove the marked files with the above .
[07:04] <ducasse> hi all
[08:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <ducasse> good morning BluesKaj
[11:22] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse
[11:23] <ducasse> all good?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> yes, testing debian stretch atm, works well
[11:32] <ducasse> a debian release so close to being stable usually does :)
[11:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, just a few issues with nvidia gpu driver setup, somewhat different than ubuntu flavours
[11:38] <ducasse> i've never used nvidia cards, neither on ubuntu nor debian.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I've had good luck with inexpensive entry level nvidia gpus
[11:51] <BluesKaj> just need a card that can handle 1080p resolution for movies etc
[11:55] <ducasse> my nephew visits me now and then, so i've been thinking of getting a gpu that can manage more games than the intel i have now. not a priority, though :)
[11:59] <BluesKaj> well, i paid only $50 or so  for my card, not much, but it fits my needs
[12:02] <BluesKaj> wife has the same card (8400GS) and she's very happy with it playing LOTRO and D&D on W7
[12:09] <BluesKaj> most more expensive cards require highrer wattage PSUs, adding to the expense, especially for older pcs like we have
[12:11] <ducasse> i don't remember what wattage mine is, 750w i think.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> that's plenty
[12:13] <BluesKaj> mine is only 200W
[12:16] <ducasse> i made sure to buy a good-quality psu since a bad one can give such odd problems. they're not that expensive either, since they can last for years and years.
[13:31] <EriC^^> afternoon ducasse o/
[13:32] <ducasse> hiya EriC^^
[13:33] <EriC^^> how are you?
[13:36] <ducasse> good, thanks. reading systemd docs, trying to get a grip on a few things. how about you?
[13:37] <ducasse> so many docs, so little brain :)
[13:37] <EriC^^> cool, i'm good, resting in the afternoon a little
[13:42] <ducasse> i've just been playing around with creating a few user services etc, trying to become more familiar with how everything fits together. it's interesting, but complicated.
[13:43] <EriC^^> nice
[13:46] <ducasse> have you looked at the man pages? ye gods, there's a *ton* of them :)
[13:47] <EriC^^> not much, i've browsed in the links from the !systemd factoid
[13:48] <EriC^^> there is a a lot of them isn't there
[13:48] <ducasse> 'man -k systemd | wc -l' returns 152 on my system :)
[13:49] <EriC^^> :D
[13:49] <lordievader> ducasse: Once you've created a few services they become rather simple.
[13:50] <EriC^^> the whole dependencies thing seemed a lot confusing
[13:50] <lordievader> But it is true that some ideologies are different from the upstart perspective.
[13:50] <EriC^^> i gathered there are 2 modes or something
[13:51] <ducasse> lordievader: yes, the syntax etc is very straight-forward, i was mostly curious about how user services fit  into the big picture in relation to sessions and system services atm.
[13:55] <lordievader> Logind takes care of that, right?
[13:58] <ducasse> yes, aiui.
[14:43] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:43] <lordievader> o/
[14:44] <pauljw> :)
[14:47] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw, EriC^^
[14:51] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[15:08] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, EriC^^
[15:54] <BluesKaj> hmm, did.t lose my vpn conn, but lost conn to freenode
[15:54] <BluesKaj> didn't
[17:44] <reconnect> what is up  people?
[17:44] <reconnect> nice?
[17:44] <reconnect> i have a question


[03:31] <ahoneybun> I gave up on the Github Action for now and just working on content updates instead lol.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[17:42] <mparillo> KDE Frameworks 5.90 landed for me in JJ. I am pretty sure JJ supported full-screen sizing as a VMWare Guest before, but it does not now.
[18:01] <mparillo> Not a problem in II. Started my II VM. Full-Screen supported. Added Kubuntu Backports PPA. Looks as if I get Apps (Gear), Frameworks, and Plasma upgrades. Rebooted, and full-screen VM Guest works.
[18:02] <mparillo> Is there a way I can tell if some 5.90 package is being held back in JJ that could account for this?
[18:31] <RikMills> nothing is held back as far as I know. all seemed to migrate ok
[18:39] <mparillo> TY


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[03:23] <hallyn> hm, i should try and find an email addr for dcz
[03:26] <Fuseteam> eh?
[21:03] <ben{}> hello all
[21:04] <ben{}> I am trying to make a QML hello world for my Nexus 5. I installed Atom and the clickable plugin, but i do not find info on makeing the manifest file to generate the clickable. All docs i found show QtCreator examples :-(
[21:05] <ben{}> Is ther any link you can provide on making a clickable manifest for UBPorts ?
[21:12] <ben{}> some boilerplate code would be very useful
[21:33] <ben{}> i found some code from https://github.com/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course-src but there are qmake macros inside the manifest.json.in and I don't know what to put for replacement
[21:42] <ben{}> there is one qmake mcaro, "@CLICK_ARCH@" which i don't know value to put in-place
[21:42] <ben{}> s/mcaro/macro
[21:48] <ben{}> maybe ARMHF ?
[21:56] <ben{}> seems to be armhf
[21:56] <ben{}> in lowercase
[22:23] <ben{}> okay i managed to generate a dot.click by command line and pushed into the phone, but on clicking, the installer says 'fail to install'
[22:27] <ben{}> yes, i could install it. iforgot a line in the manifest.json
[22:27] <ben{}> but i don't see now the icon in the drawer... :-(
[22:35] <ben{}> restarted the phone. still don't see any icon of my app
[22:42] <ben{}> though i see it in myapps from the openstore
[22:42] <ben{}> but cannot launch it from there
[22:47] <poVoq> ben{}: install clickable. It has build in templates for apps
[22:47] <ben{}> i installed clickable and made a manifest
[22:47] <ben{}> ok i will use templates instead of mine
[22:48] <poVoq> The app icons sometimes need a restart of unity
[22:49] <poVoq> But you can launch from uttweaktool. Pull down to refresh the build in app list
[22:49] <ben{}> did not find any template in y clickable installation (ubuntu)
[22:49] <ben{}> already done pull app list
[22:49] <poVoq> It creates them
[22:50] <poVoq> http://clickable.bhdouglass.com/en/latest/getting-started.html
[22:50] <ben{}> thx
[22:51] <poVoq> Sucks that the telegram bridge is down again... otherwise you would have gotten a quicker response for sure.
[22:54] <ben{}> ok
[22:54] <ben{}> mmh maybe my clickable deb is out of date
[22:54] <ben{}> beacuse new fields in manifest are not recognized
[22:55] <ben{}> app_name for instance
[22:55] <ben{}> mine requires "name" only
[22:55] <ben{}> do you think i must upgrade clickable to the latest version ? is it compatible with ubports ?
[23:03] <ben{}> i may use telegram soon, then..
[23:10] <ben{}> ok i am regenerating the hello world from clickable create
[23:11] <ben{}> thank you poVoq for your help
[23:13] <poVoq> Sorry was listening to something else. Yes, please update to the latest version of clickable. Lots of good changes lately
[23:17] <ben{}> yeah i could run the app :-)
[23:17] <ben{}> the clickable version of my ubuntu seems okay then
[23:18] <poVoq> Cool
[23:19] <poVoq> Clickable makes things really easy. Big thanks to them.
[23:19] <ben{}> yes, once we learn the correct commands :-)