[03:25] <mwhudson> ok this flake8 situation in lunar is really annoying
[03:27] <sarnold> I heard it hit debian now, too
[03:33] <mwhudson> ah getting python3-flake8 from proposed fixes it
[03:35] <sarnold> oh? I wonder if I might be able to shorten someone else's misery by passing that along
[03:35] <sarnold> Uploaded by:
[03:35] <sarnold>     Debian Python Team on 2022-12-30
[03:36] <sarnold> o_O  if debianunstable had that back in december, I don't think I'll bother reporting this as a solutioun to anyone, heh
[08:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dotnet7 (kinetic-proposed/universe) [7.0.103-0ubuntu1~22.10.1 => 7.0.104-0ubuntu2~22.10] (no packageset)
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[09:09] <seb128> bluesabre, hey, I've fixed the xubuntu-minimal download references on the ISO tracker now
[09:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected dotnet6 [source] (kinetic-proposed) [6.0.115-0ubuntu2~22.10]
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[10:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-aipom-adl-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-somerville-aipom-adl-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-mewtwo-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-somerville-mewtwo-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-psyduck-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-somerville-psyduck-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-paras-35-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:49] <juergh> ahasenack: Can linux-firmware be promoted to jammy-updates? LPs 2007875 2009642 have just been verified.
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-somerville-paras-35-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-omastar-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-somerville-omastar-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-aipom-adl-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-omastar-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-psyduck-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-mewtwo-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-paras-35-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-arbok-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-somerville-arbok-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-somerville-arbok-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[11:03] <tjaalton> juergh: I've released it
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openldap (jammy-proposed/main) [2.5.14+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.5.14+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[15:25] <seb128> around when do we usually get a beta entry on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker ?
[15:32] <sil2100> seb128: hm, usually it's done when we start building the Beta candidates, but let me check
[15:33] <sil2100> seb128: ok, so the template mentions -6, so tomorrow-ish, but I think we realistically did that usually on Monday
[15:34] <seb128> sil2100, alright, thanks, that's good enough for me. We want to issue testing instruction on Tuesday and were wondering if that would exist by then, answer is yes it should :)
[15:46] <sil2100> +1! ;)
[16:11] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic doesn’t have a 18.04.6 milestone whilst we released it, correct? Do you mind creating the milestone on LP?
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2023a-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[16:31] <adrien> the gnutls28 which is currently packaged for lunar has a security issue; 3.7.9 fixes it but is not announced but picked by debian (I will spend time trying to make auto-merges working because it's a lot of work to track gnutls28 every two weeks); 3.8.0 also fixes it, is announced and doesn't seem too risky
[16:31] <adrien> any guidance on which version to pick or try to pick?
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2023a-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (jammy-proposed/main) [2022g-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2023a-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[17:49] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please do a tail -f of this process? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-16/1:16.0.0-1~exp1ubuntu2/+build/25686311
[17:50] <LocutusOfBorg> and this one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvdb/10.0.1-1/+build/25583523
[17:50] <LocutusOfBorg> and this one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deal.ii/9.4.1-1/+build/25589522
[17:50] <LocutusOfBorg> something weird is happening on riscv64
[18:00] <cjwatson> The last one failed six days ago, I'm not sure what you think to get out of a tail -f now
[18:00] <cjwatson> And the second one as well
[18:01] <cjwatson> tail -f running on the first one
[18:03] <cjwatson> The builder in question for the second one has been reflashed since that build happened, so any information that may have been there is lost
[18:10] <cjwatson> And the third one was actually run on -064, was very briefly requeued on -061 and then almost immediately failed with some kind of unrelated network error; when I tried to log into -064 just now it produces a lot of extreme nonsense on the console that suggests filesystem corruption, so I'll reflash it
[18:14] <cjwatson> Oh, also that second build was superseded by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvdb/10.0.1-1ubuntu1 anyway which succeeded
[18:14] <ginggs> third one was superseded by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deal.ii/9.4.1-1ubuntu1
[18:15] <ginggs> which built in my PPA, so I expect it to build eventually
[18:15] <cjwatson> Yeah, and I have a tail -f running for it now just in case
[18:16] <ginggs> --max-parallel=3 to strike a balance between running out of memory and taking forever
[18:16] <cjwatson> Anyway I suspect these are down to general filesystem unreliability on these builders, exacerbated by large/long builds, rather than anything very specific about them
[18:16] <cjwatson> I don't propose to spend very much time investigating since we'll be replacing them anyway once PS6 is ready
[18:20] <cjwatson> "error: Disconnected from qemu:///system due to keepalive timeout"  hmph, I wonder if the host for 061-090 is in trouble
[18:23] <cjwatson> Yeah I'm afraid the host is having trouble there so that's why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deal.ii/9.4.1-1ubuntu1/+build/25680245 just got requeued
[18:27] <cjwatson> We've just rebooted that host
[18:32] <cjwatson> I'll reflash its builders and get them back up
[18:49] <ginggs> cjwatson: thanks!
[19:00] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks cjwatson indeed they were not running, because I didn't know if they needed to be running before or after the tail
[19:01] <LocutusOfBorg> and meh, I didn't refresh the page with deal.ii and openvdb, but I'm interested mainly in llvm, that failed something like 5 times already with no log
[19:03] <utkarsh2102> mwhudson: thanks, how frequently does britney run? every 3h?
[19:03] <utkarsh2102> or was it lesser?
[19:03] <LocutusOfBorg> after 5 minutes since the last run IIRC
[19:04] <LocutusOfBorg> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/log/lunar/2023-03-23/
[19:04] <LocutusOfBorg> 18:16 18:47 last two runs
[19:07] <utkarsh2102> LocutusOfBorg: whoa, it runs every 5 minutes?
[19:07] <utkarsh2102> that last runs show a difference of 30 thoug
[19:07] <LocutusOfBorg> no. it starts 5 minutes after the previous run finished
[19:08] <utkarsh2102> aaaah
[19:08] <LocutusOfBorg> now it takes around 25 minutes to do a single run, expect it to run twice every hour or so
[19:08] <LocutusOfBorg> nowadays its faster britney than publisher :D
[19:09] <utkarsh2102> gotcha, thanks! :D
[19:09] <utkarsh2102> oh also, is there any service/job/anything else using the germinate-output reference at https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/germinate-output/?
[19:10] <utkarsh2102> vorlon:^
[19:10] <utkarsh2102> s/reference/referenced/g :)
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[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gtk4 to ubuntu-desktop in jammy
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gtk4 to ubuntu-desktop in kinetic
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gtk4 to ubuntu-desktop in lunar
[20:09] <arraybolt3> Is it appropriate to bring up a possibly Beta Release threatening bug for Lubuntu in here? Openbox is highly unstable when using fullscreen apps, and we have a working patch that just needs reviewed and sponsored. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/2011751 I'm happy to discuss any changes needed to the patch in order to get it in.
[20:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2011751 in openbox (Ubuntu) "openbox crashed with SIGABRT" [Critical, Confirmed]
[20:09] <arraybolt3> (An earlier patch was stable in testing, I now have a newer patch in that does some extra safety checking.)
[20:10] <arraybolt3> The bug won't make it so that a Beta Release can't happen, but it's bad enough that it would be very preferable to get it fixed before Beta Release, and hopefully before Beta Freeze.
[20:22] <dbungert> When we're preparing a change for Ubuntu, it's helpful to think about what will happen later as upstream changes.  In this case there is a patch in the queue - https://github.com/Mikachu/openbox/commit/d41128e5a1002af41c976c8860f8299cfcd3cd72 - and I think we would need a very very good reason to deviate from that.
[20:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit d41128e in Mikachu/openbox "Fix list traversal issue in client_calc_layer"
[20:23] <arraybolt3> dbungert: I attempted to show a very good reason to deviate from that.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2090570#p2090570 "But creating a copy of the list is inefficient and only glosses over the actual problem (and probably will cause X11 errors and/or behavioral differences - maybe maintain them b/c of the status quo ante)"
[20:24] <dbungert> I take issue with the word "probably", I think that's unproven.  And if this is the case, then upstrem is also going to need that fix, since that appears to be in queue for the next release.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> I can test the upstream patch and find out. I'm also not convinced that the patch is truly "upstream" though. It's not from the original maintainer, and it's not in an official branch.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> AFAIK.
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.7]
[20:26] <arraybolt3> The "true" upstream branch (as far as I can tell) is http://git.openbox.org/?p=dana/openbox.git;a=summary
[20:26] <arraybolt3> The branch with the new patch is http://git.openbox.org/?p=mikachu/openbox.git;a=summary
[20:26] <arraybolt3> Still, I'll test the upstream patch and see.
[20:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (focal-proposed) [1:4.2-3ubuntu6.25]
[20:27] <arraybolt3> er, those were repos, not branches, sorry
[20:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.42]
[20:28] <dbungert> It's a fair point about the officialness about upstream, I'm unclear what's happening there. But if we do have a patch like your and there is an official release with the patch I linked, things get weird.  I'd suggest avoiding that weird if possible.
[20:28] <dbungert> Testing that patch will help.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> Sounds good. Also, I can try and forward the latest iteration of my patch (with a null check) to upstream in the event upstream's patch does indeed cause errors.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> If it doesn't, then I'll just go with it. While the person who accepted the patch may not be truly upstream, he does have numerous commits into true upstream, so he knows probably more than me and seth combined :P
[20:37] <arraybolt3> dbungert: Well, it looks like the possibly upstream patch does *not* cause errors (at least not that are printed to the terminal when running Openbox in a terminal). And it works in the one-item and two-item test cases as well.
[20:40] <dbungert> arraybolt3: I know the extra copies are unpleasent, but it's a common solution for this sort of problem
[20:40] <arraybolt3> I still feel like it would be possibly better to use the existing patch, since it's already been tested and confirmed to work, and we can just drop it if upstream goes a different direction. And since it isn't clear if this branch is the upstream branch at all, I'm not sure we're going to avoid the weirdness you're mentioning by using it.
[20:40] <arraybolt3> Still, if you would prefer, I will replace my existing patch with the new one and we can upload that instead.
[20:49] <arraybolt3> Building and testing with the new patch.
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Alright, patch works, debdiff incoming.
[20:57] <arraybolt3> dbungert: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/2011751/+attachment/5657030/+files/glib_crash_bugfix.patch Done.
[20:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2011751 in openbox (Ubuntu) "openbox crashed with SIGABRT" [Critical, Confirmed]
[20:58] <dbungert> arraybolt3: thanks.  I promise to take a look later today.
[20:58] <dbungert> or if someone else gets to it first, feel free
[20:58] <arraybolt3> Thank you for your help!
[20:59] <arraybolt3> I did just realize that while I did give proper credit in the patch, I did not remember to update debian/copyright. So I'll do that real quick and put one more debdiff out there.
[21:01] <arraybolt3> Though come to think of it, I don't think we usually have explicit copyright info mentioned for patch files?
[21:02] <arraybolt3> Meh. Just because we don't currently doesn't mean we shouldn't :P Adding it anyway.
[21:07] <arraybolt3> OK, proper version with updated copyright file. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/2011751/+attachment/5657032/+files/glib_crash_bugfix.patch Thanks for your patience.
[21:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2011751 in openbox (Ubuntu) "openbox crashed with SIGABRT" [Critical, Confirmed]
[21:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (jammy-proposed) [2023a-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[12:17] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm that seems way broken
[12:17] <gnomefreak> kyamo seems to be having all kinds of problems
[12:18] <gnomefreak> version 0.13.99+0.2a-0ubuntu4  cancel is spelled wrong its spelled chancel and it hangs only way to kill it is kill -9 pid
[12:18] <gnomefreak> maybe killall too didnt try
[12:19] <gnomefreak> and used over 90% cpu
[12:19] <gnomefreak> do i file 2 reports or do you want them all on one?
[12:23] <Tonio__> Sime, sebas: I commited a little patch for kde-systemsettings and gtk-qt-engines addition under appearance, if you want to sync that to svn, you'll find the patch in the debian source package...
[12:29] <gnomefreak> filed 2 to be safe ;)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: have you had trouble with your upload of knm at all?
[12:47] <Hobbsee_> ah ha....
[12:48] <Hobbsee> that's....very odd.
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: for compiling plugins, kane said.  guess he was working on one
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: final attept to fix kdebluetooth
[01:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: what needs doing to it?
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I added the new knm patch, and sent comment to mbiebl with a few suggestions of how implementing his changes better
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: that should allow to manage enable/disable better
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunhandler.desktop file is still crappy with the ubuntu changes during the build
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: adding new blank line via a patch fails, so I'm changing the file via a makebuilddir rule
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: should work this time
[01:14] <Tonio_> next I'm fixing kds for katapult autostart
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: if that work would you agree providing a backport or fix for knm ?
[01:15] <Tonio_> edgy is higly affected by this systray issue
[01:16] <Tonio_> and perform a ps aux | grep network && kill UID is way to hard for my girlfriend :)
[01:16] <Riddell> which systray issue?
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: when the session management restores knm, sometimes it simply fails, icon doesn't respond and disappears
[01:17] <Tonio_> but the process is still there and the problem will rehappen at next login
[01:17] <Riddell> charming
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed on several distros, so mbiebl patched to remove the session management thing and change the autostart behavior
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm that bug, although I could restart it, that not very easy for average joe
[01:18] <Riddell> oh, cool, we'd I'd support SRU, and I think mithrandir should even be responsive to processing them
[01:18] <Riddell> xdg-utils got into -proposed after 6 weeks yesterday
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload digikam fixed to -proposed today too
[01:18] <Tonio_> cjwatson agreed on rationale
[01:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: remind me again which that was?
[01:19] <Tonio_> showfoto cannot be installed, due to file conflict in the package splitting
[01:19] <Tonio_> my packaging issue
[01:19] <Riddell> ah
[01:19] <Tonio_> sru bug is there for 2 month, but nobody took care untill I finally ping cjwatson yesterday
[01:19] <Tonio_> lots of people are complaining about this
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you change cdbs somehow ?
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I cannot compile kdebluetooth anymore :
[01:20] <Tonio_> dh_install: kdebluetooth missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebluetooth/*), aborting
[01:20] <Tonio_> there is no docs in the tarball, so I don't understand
[01:20] <Tonio_> and it previously built successfully
[01:21] <Tonio_> hum, that kdebluetooth.install..... okay
[01:22] <Tonio_> when was that changed ???? last upload is mine, I don't understand
[01:22] <Tonio_> well I'll fix and upload, that's it
[01:25] <Riddell> you can copy kde.mk locally to the package and edit it and just include the local one
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but that's a .install file issue in fact... I'm just building a fixed version
[01:28] <Tonio_> katapult is building too, and then I'll fix kds
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: about that kmenu/configuration/hplip thing, should we hide that in kde ?
[01:41] <Tonio_> or simply split to have that removed by default
[01:41] <Riddell> the kmenu is totally broken in feisty
[01:41] <Riddell> as is kcontrol
[01:42] <Tonio_> hu ?
[01:42] <Riddell> not sure why, we havn't changed anything
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed gtk-qt-engines, so it look okay here, on a defualt profile
[01:42] <Tonio_> only that hplip thing needs to be removed or moved behind system probably
[01:42] <Riddell> there's a Lost and Found menu and two Settings menus
[01:42] <Tonio_> hu ?????
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: not on a default profile afaik
[01:43] <Tonio_> let me test
[01:43] <Riddell> was true on the herd 2 CD
[01:43] <Tonio_> hum, I'm testing
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is okay here, no lost and found
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the setting thing, that's due to that hplip thing, now gtk-qt-engines is fixed
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I would like to package this, but I think it is also installed in ubuntu right ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> s/package/patch
[01:46] <Tonio_> once done we'll have a clean kmenu, since everything is now clean
[01:47] <Riddell> gtk-qt-engine isn't installed in ubuntu
[01:47] <Riddell> how's your kcontrol?
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: no I was talking about the hplip thing, should be installed in ubuntu, so I can't patch the desktop file, that's my problem :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> let me look at kcontrol
[01:48] <Tonio_> hum, the wine config thing should be hidden if not working.... I'll patch this
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: leave it, consensus seems to be that it's working
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah, kcontrol look okay here
[01:49] <Riddell> although I think it should disable itself if wine isn't installed
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can't start it :)
[01:49] <Tonio_> ah ? needs wine to be installed ?
[01:49] <Riddell> oh, well poke sebas or Sime to fix it then
[01:49] <Tonio_> should be in a sepera package then, depending wine and guidance no ?
[01:49] <Riddell> it shouldn't need wine to be installed, just doesn't make much sense without it
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can't start it here...
[01:50] <Riddell> I don't think so, I'm happy for it to be there, if it works
[01:51] <Tonio_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:51] <Tonio_>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/wineconfig.py", line 1460, in <module>
[01:51] <Tonio_>     class AppearancePage(QWidget):
[01:51] <Tonio_>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/wineconfig.py", line 1463, in AppearancePage
[01:51] <Tonio_>     colorschemes = [str(i18n("Custom"))]
[01:51] <Tonio_> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 11: ordinal not in range(128)
[01:51] <Tonio_> that's the traceback
[01:51] <Tonio_> when running kcmshell System/wineconfig
[01:52] <Tonio_> maybe that an issue with french language, can you confirm it works for you ?
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: but appart from that, kcontrol look okay here...
[01:53] <Tonio_> maybe that's just 3.5.6 I don't know
[01:54] <Tonio_> hum, kdebluetooth fixed and this time it works, nice ;) uploaded
[01:54] <Tonio_> kds uploaded too with katapult removal, and I'm about to upload katapult
[01:54] <sebas> Tonio_: Can you email me a backtrace, I'll see what I can do then
[01:55] <Tonio_> sebas: sure
[01:55] <sebas> Thanks
[01:55] <Tonio_> sebas: I searched google for that issue, but it looks like a nightmare to fix :)
[01:55] <sebas> When I'm at it, I can add a check if wine is installed as well, I guess
[01:55] <sebas> It shouldn't be, the rest of guidance works fine with that kind of encoding crap as well
[01:55] <Tonio_> sebas: your email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[01:55] <sebas> y
[01:57] <Tonio_> sebas: email is sent
[01:59] <Mez> Tonio_, pong
[02:00] <Tonio_> Mez: hey ;) forget about kxmame for xmess, only command line works
[02:00] <Tonio_> in fact kxmame considers only systems that don't require a rom to work
[02:01] <Tonio_> Mez: to launch properly a snes game, you need to get the snes bios from there :
[02:01] <Tonio_> http://mess.slor.net/
[02:01] <Tonio_> then unzip the file in the bios folder of mess (defined in /etc/xmame/xmessrc)
[02:01] <Tonio_> then to launch a game, use this command :
[02:02] <Tonio_> xmess snes -cart "/full/path/to/the/rom.zip"
[02:02] <Tonio_> that should work
[02:02] <Tonio_> then press <tab> to configure joysticks etc...
[02:02] <Tonio_> I really think about a good frontend for xmess, that would be usefull, since config is just a pure mess
[02:03] <Tonio_> Mez: NEVER type man xmess :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> more options than openvpn or openswan to what I've seen :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> so I may start a frontend in python in the future, as I really want to learn python/pykde
[02:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping me when you've fixed your repos :)
[02:17] <sebas> Got you email, thanks Tonio_
[02:17] <Tonio_> sebas: your servant :)
[02:18] <sebas> =)
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I change the kubuntu_multimedia spec status to "implemented", as you fixed kaffeine, everything is now done, implemented, and known to work
[02:42] <Riddell> rocking
[02:42] <Riddell> top stuff Tonio_
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah it was done for a while :) I should have closed the spec sooner, but well "zelda twilight princess" was out so.......
[02:44] <Tonio_> ^^
[02:44] <Tonio_> that made away from kubuntu for a few weeks
[02:45] <Tonio_> now I'm back !
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my problem, I love video games as much as linux........ and days are only 24 hours
[02:46] <Mez> Tonio_, katapult no longer in the session /
[02:46] <Tonio_> Mez: no we will use an autostart thing
[02:46] <Tonio_> session in kds is causing problems sometimes when ~/ are merged with kds ones
[02:46] <Mez> thats gonna piss off some users
[02:47] <Tonio_> why ?
[02:47] <Tonio_> those who don't want katapult started ? they can uninstall it :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> or echo "Autostart: false" >> ~/..../katapultrc
[02:48] <Tonio_> Mez: note that the autostart via sessions thing did fail for me on several installations, I had to manually start it....
[02:48] <Tonio_> that also pissed me off :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> Mez: not that much users complain about kdebluetooth or adept-notifier that also starts via /usr/share/autostart
[02:49] <Mez> Tonio_, cept katapult will now display  apopup
[02:49] <Mez> whereas it didnt on session restor
[02:50] <Tonio_> display a popup ? which way and when ?
[02:50] <Tonio_> ah yes........
[02:51] <Tonio_> well I can disable this in kds, but in a certain way that's nice
[02:51] <Tonio_> lots of users discovering kubuntu are not aware of it, so let then know when kde launches is not that bad, no ?
[02:52] <Tonio_> well we can see feedback and change that before release, we have time, but I'm not sure lots of people will complain
[02:52] <Tonio_> Mez: on laptops with bluetooth you get a kdebluetooth popup at every boot, nobody complains....
[02:52] <Tonio_> it is just a 1 sec thing
[02:52] <Mez> lol
[02:53] <Tonio_> and in my opinion that's nice for new users
[02:53] <Tonio_> Mez: what I'm not a fan is that we hide the icon in the systray
[02:53] <Tonio_> that's make it a PAIN for those you want to configure it
[02:53] <Tonio_> who knows about the alt+space and ctrl+C thing ? !!
[02:54] <Mez> Tonio_, blame Riddell
[02:54] <Tonio_> if I had to choose I would had that icon back....
[02:54] <Mez> It's his fault
[02:54] <Mez> Tonio_, WASNT MY CHOICE
[02:54] <Mez> I want it on
[02:54] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah I know Riddell hates systray things,....
[02:54] <Mez> sorry bout caps
[02:54] <Tonio_> Mez: I know
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: please !!!!!!!
[02:55] <Tonio_> Mez: good implementation would be autostart -> no popup -> icon in the systray
[02:55] <Mez> Tonio_, executive descision ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Mez: new users would figure out katapult, and Riddell could hide the icon :)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Mez: propose that for the next meeting, we'll vote on that point :)
[02:55] <Mez> Tonio_, my point indeed
[02:55] <Mez> whens the next meeting
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell can use his "dfl" veto, but he generally respects votes :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> with icon in the systray, there is no need for a popup for people to figure out katapult exists....
[02:57] <Tonio_> and I don't see the problem to let people right click on the icon and click "hide"
[02:57] <Tonio_> windows systray is nice on that point
[02:57] <Tonio_> you can hide things, but you have a little arrow to show all hiden ones....
[02:57] <Tonio_> that WAY better than kde one, where hidden means "unaccessible"
[02:58] <Tonio_> Mez: don't you think ?
[02:58] <Mez> "dfl" ?
[02:58] <Tonio_> dictator for life :)
[02:58] <Mez> lol
[02:58] <Tonio_> he his the boss, so even if we have a council, he has the final decision
[02:58] <Mez> but thats mark
[02:58] <Tonio_> which is normal btw
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: mark doesn't take any decisions for kde
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: we'll we are going to renew the council in may
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: depends if people still want me or not :)
[02:59] <Mez> Tonio_, why wouldnt they
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: but the idea is to rotate positions
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: because the point is not to keep the same people :)
[02:59] <Mez> Tonio_, I was just gonna say that though
[03:00] <Mez> I think the current choices are good
[03:00] <Tonio_> well of course a few people will stay, but not everyone, I may not even apply, I don't know
[03:01] <Tonio_> in any case the council is not everything, the communauty also votes, the council is just there in case no decision comes along
[03:02] <Tonio_> so I wouldn't have any issue not beeing in the council anymore, despite I like it ;)
[03:04] <Tonio_> feisty will probably be the first really mature version of kubuntu, that's the cool point
[03:05] <Tonio_> it is already better than edgy
[03:05] <Tonio_> and time to polish and fix bugs
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the HPLIP thing, the only solution I can see is to patch to provide 2 desktop files, once for gnome with onlyshowin gnome and create a new one for kde....
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay on that point ?
[03:16] <Mez> Tonio_, should I upgrade then ?
[03:17] <Tonio_> Mez: I would say yes
[03:17] <Tonio_> Mez: lots of critical issues like knm crashing are resolved in feisty
[03:17] <Tonio_> depends on your usage, but in my opinion, that more stable
[03:17] <Mez> Tonio_, is this fixed?
[03:17] <Tonio_> Mez: the problem is that it can crash tomorrow :)
[03:17] <Mez> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[03:17] <Mez>   Major opcode:  148
[03:17] <Mez>   Minor opcode:  3
[03:17] <Mez>   Resource id:  0x0
[03:17] <Mez> Failed to open device
[03:18] <Mez> Tonio_, I know enough to fix it though
[03:18] <Tonio_> Mez: the knm frozen on systray ? yeah I merged debian patches yesterday for this issue
[03:18] <Tonio_> Mez: what is that issue ?
[03:18] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm talking about the session restore thing that makes knm crash on session restore
[03:23] <Mez> lol
[03:23] <Mez> I've never used knm
[03:31] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe
[03:31] <Mez> Tonio_, @ what ?
[03:32] <Tonio_> that you never used it, you're wrong, it is a very nice peace of software ;)
[03:32] <Tonio_> although aseigo hates it
[03:33] <Tonio_> Mez: the bad device thing, isn't that just the wacom cleaning in xorg.conf requirede ?
[03:33] <Tonio_> required ?
[03:33] <Mez> Tonio_, ah probably
[03:34] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah that drives me nuts........ I can't wait for a "autoconfig" xorg.....
[03:34] <Mez> hmm ....
[03:34] <Tonio_> should be at the end of the year
[03:35] <Mez> Tonio_, fancy looking at somehting in revu ?
[03:35] <Tonio_> Mez: sure
[03:35] <Mez> oh wait
[03:35] <Mez> it's got 2 comments
[03:36] <Tonio_> Mez: but I don't revu gnome stuff, as I'm not very aware of gnome specific packaging :)
[03:36] <Mez> Tonio_, it's not even gnome ;)
[03:36] <Mez> it's fltk
[03:36] <Mez> lol
[03:36] <Mez> but I've had a couple of comments
[03:37] <Tonio_> okay
[03:37] <Tonio_> ping me in the future if you need revu
[03:40] <Mez> Tonio_, I'll ping you in a mo
[03:41] <Mez> I'm happy with it
[03:41] <Mez> it's had lots of reviews
[03:41] <Mez> if you're happy I'ma gonna upload it
[03:41] <Mez> (seeing as you're -core-dev
[03:42] <Tonio_> Mez: well that's for universe right ? you can upload it if you're a motu :)
[03:43] <Mez> yeah i know
[03:43] <Mez> but - I want to see your review of it first ;)
[03:43] <Mez> I trust you'll make sure you pint out anything obvious
[03:43] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe okay :)
[03:43] <Mez> then I'll upload if you say theres nothing wrong with it
[03:43] <Mez> only issue is man pages
[03:43] <Mez> which i aintwriting
[03:43] <Tonio_> Mez: well I'm not the hardest reviewer out there
[03:44] <Tonio_> get Daniel revuing it, and have fun :)
[03:52] <Mez> loargh
[03:52] <Mez> I just uploaded to ubuntu anyways
[03:52] <Mez> accident
[03:53] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=51747&id=1
[03:54] <Tonio_> i WANT that in the repos
[03:54] <Tonio_> the really missing in konqueror, and kget is completly crappy
[03:54] <Tonio_> let package it ;)
[03:56] <Mez> Tonio_, joint packaging ?
[03:57] <Tonio_> what does "joint" me ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> means
[03:58] <Tonio_> sorry I'm tired :)
[03:59] <Mez> collaborative
[04:01] <Tonio_> Mez: with ? are you interested ?
[04:01] <Mez> nvm
[04:02] <Mez> Tonio_, https://launchpad.net/edgy-backports/+bug/80579
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80579 in edgy-backports "backport kxmame" [Undecided,In progress]
[04:03] <Tonio_> Mez: perfect thanks !
[04:03] <manchicken> w00t!  Hacking time.
[04:04] <Mez> manchicken, ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> Mez: are you motu ? I should have finished the packaging in a moment, just a man to write :)
[04:05] <Mez> Tonio_, yes :d
[04:05] <Mez> hence my upload just now
[04:05] <Tonio_> hehe okay
[04:05] <Mez> nostromo_1.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[04:06] <manchicken> Mez: I'm hacking adept ^_^
[04:06] <Mez> manchicken, woo
[04:06] <Mez> Tonio_, i'm a lot of things
[04:06] <Mez> http://launchpad.net/~mez/
[04:07] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/~tonio/
[04:07] <Tonio_> you win...................
[04:07] <Mez> Tonio_, I'm thinking about keeping the katapult debian dir in BZR ...
[04:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: very nice
[04:07] <Mez> seeing as it's you an i who make the most changes to it - you happy with that ?
[04:08] <Tonio_> manchicken: aren't you the guy I discussed here when you came in first asking what needed coding on kubuntu ?
[04:08] <Tonio_> Mez: hum... bzr is too slow actually in my opinion
[04:08] <Mez> Tonio_, ?
[04:08] <Tonio_> Mez: we manage kds in bzr, but I don't much like it
[04:08] <Mez> I like it
[04:08] <Mez> and it's easier
[04:08] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yeah.
[04:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: hehe, cool :) for once someone asks what to do and does it :)
[04:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: generally, it always ends at the first step :)
[04:09] <Tonio_> Mez: well easier, but longer since it doules the job
[04:09] <manchicken> Tonio_: Riddell showed me the adept specs, and I've got one of them implemented already.
[04:09] <Mez> bzr bind ;)
[04:09] <manchicken> I got the main package indicator thing done.
[04:09] <Tonio_> Mez: and at the moment I don't see the benefit
[04:10] <manchicken> It's in my bzr if you want...
[04:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: yeah I've seen this :)
[04:10] <manchicken> Ah, yeah.  jr committed it.
[04:10] <Mez> Tonio_, i have to maintian in ubuntu and debian
[04:10] <Tonio_> that's cool since mornfall seems to have abandonned adept...
[04:10] <Mez> i like to easily sync changelogs from ubuntu to debian
[04:10] <Tonio_> Mez: in that case yes, maybe that can be usefull
[04:10] <manchicken> He seems interested in what I'm doing with it though.
[04:10] <manchicken> I'm interested in his feedback.
[04:11] <Mez> Tonio_, plus all the katapult dev is done in bzr anyways
[04:11] <Tonio_> Mez: on that point I'm okay, in that specific case it makes sense
[04:11] <Tonio_> Mez: but the best is to put the debian folder in the source no ?
[04:11] <Mez> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/katapult/debian
[04:11] <Tonio_> that's even simpler :)
[04:12] <Mez> Tonio_, no cause that makes it a debian native package :D
[04:12] <Mez> and causes problems on using my release scripts
[04:12] <Tonio_> ah ok
[04:13] <Tonio_> Mez: didn't knew you used scripts, that's the reason
[04:13] <Mez> my release scripts made in ruby ;)
[04:13] <Mez> lol
[04:13] <Tonio_> Mez: bah that's cool :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> Mez: don't laught, but I generally script with php-cli
[04:13] <Mez> lol
[04:13] <Mez> nah
[04:13] <Mez> php is cool
[04:13] <Tonio_> I'm probably the only sysadmin in the world using this :)
[04:13] <Mez> hence my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email
[04:14] <Tonio_> yeah but not that commonly used for admin scripting
[04:14] <Mez> https://code.launchpad.net/~katapult-dev/+branch/katapult/release_scripts
[04:14] <Tonio_> package done.... 19 minutes
[04:14] <Mez> apologies for all the cruft in the debian dir ;)
[04:14] <Mez> Tonio_, lol
[04:14] <Tonio_> that's not good, my record is 14
[04:15] <Mez> cdbs ? :P
[04:15] <Tonio_> hehe of course :)
[04:16] <Mez> Tonio_, should i release 0.4 beta ?
[04:16] <Mez> (katapult)
[04:19] <Tonio_> Mez: bah why not !
[05:13] <manchicken> Riddell: You there?  I'm trying to figure out exactly what user experience to go for here.
[05:20] <manchicken> Awful quiet for a Friday night.
[05:22] <Jucato> I think it's 4:00 AM of a Saturday for him
[05:22] <manchicken> Weaksauce ;)
[05:35] <Mez> @time NZ
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Current time in NZ: January 20 2007, 17:35:16
[05:35] <Mez> @time New Zealand
[05:51] <manchicken> I've got 2251
[05:52] <Tonio_> Mez: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14115
[05:52] <Tonio_> Mez: watch this !!!!!!
[05:52] <Tonio_> that's what we need !
[05:52] <Mez> Tonio_, package away
[05:52] <Tonio_> Mez: looks like there is a debian packlage somewhere.....
[05:53] <Tonio_> Mez: and this thing is stable, great
[05:53] <Mez> lol
[05:53] <Jucato> there's an ubuntu package, it seems
[05:53] <Tonio_> and maintained !
[05:55] <Mez> Jucato, in the archive ?
[05:55] <Tonio_> I just hope it is not a xmess only frontend..... I'd like if it could use other emulators, like snes9x or others...
[05:55] <Jucato> not. the kde-apps page
[05:55] <Tonio_> Mez: no but upstream provides a ubuntu package
[05:55] <Tonio_> that's cool :)
[05:56] <Mez> Tonio_, then poke it m ake sure it's ok - put in archive
[05:57] <Tonio_> sure
[05:59] <Tonio_> grrrrrrrrrrrrr that's a kommander script.......
[06:01] <Tonio_> well it's easy to package, that's not the point, but I HATE kommander
[06:14] <manchicken> Why doesn't Riddell get up early in the morning to answer all my questions?
[06:15] <Tonio_> hehe
[06:16] <Jucato> manchicken: probably same reason you don't stay up late to be able to ask those questions when he's awake?
[06:16] <Jucato> :P
[06:16] <manchicken> I do.
[06:16] <manchicken> I'll probably be up to 0200 Chicago time tonight for that very reason ^_^
[06:17] <Jucato> it's just 11:15PM CST, right?
[06:23] <Mez> hahaha
[06:23] <Mez> fglrx problems again
[06:35] <manchicken> Yay!  Garbage drivers. :(
[06:35] <manchicken> I was very disappointed when I tried fglrx.
[06:36] <Mez> it worked quite well for me in edgy
[06:42] <Mez> Tonio_, what was that link again ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14115
[06:42] <Tonio_> ?
[06:43] <Tonio_> but I'm testing something else -> XE
[06:43] <Tonio_> multi machines emulator, for linux, but non free
[06:43] <Tonio_> works pretty nicelly, and is super easy to configure
[06:43] <Tonio_> the only problem is that I have no sound
[06:44] <Tonio_> the good thing is that you don't have anything to configure, just open a rom and it auto select the good module, that's cool
[06:45] <Mez> Tonio_, that links got a quite nice menu
[06:45] <Tonio_> Mez: yes but that's kommander....
[06:46] <Mez> Tonio_,  ?
[06:46] <Tonio_> yes ?
[06:46] <Jucato> ?
[06:46] <Jucato> don't you just love questions marks? :)
[06:48] <Mez> Tonio_, where does kommander come into it
[06:49] <Tonio_> Mez: you have kommander files for the ui
[06:49] <Tonio_> it depends on kommander, I tried it, beleive  me ;)
[06:49] <Mez> hmm
[06:49] <Mez> this is nice
[06:49] <Mez> it gets the bioses for you
[06:50] <Mez> though kxmame isnt finding a bloody thing for me
[07:01] <Mez> Tonio_, I've no idea how to get kxmame to reocgnise and play this damn game
[07:01] <Mez> ah i dont have the right bios
[07:01] <Tonio_> Mez: bah I can explain but that's really complicated
[07:01] <Tonio_> Mez: what game is that ?
[07:01] <Mez> Tonio_, I need the snes pal bios ;)
[07:02] <Mez> Tonio_, does your ftp have the bioses ?
[07:02] <Tonio_> Mez: use zsnes or gsnes9x
[07:02] <Tonio_> xmess is slow with snes btw
[07:03] <Mez> LOL
[07:03] <Mez> fair enough
[07:03] <Mez> kxmame is very confusing
[07:05] <Mez> my fscking god
[07:05] <Mez> gsnes9x is fugly
[07:07] <Tonio_> Mez: bah zsnes is okay
[07:07] <Mez> zsnes has no joystick support
[07:08] <Mez> Tonio_, I think your right
[07:08] <Mez> best for emulators is windows
[07:08] <Mez> which is weird when you consider linux is the ultimate emulator really
[07:09] <Mez> how do i find whats hogging my sound card?
[07:10] <Tonio_> hum.....
[07:10] <Tonio_> what is the script to configure X with nvidia ?
[07:10] <Mez> nvm
[07:10] <Mez> Tonio_, no idea
[07:10] <Tonio_> I can see nvidia-glx-config and nvidia-xconfig
[07:16] <jdong> both :)
[07:16] <jdong> nvidia-glx-config is ours, nvidia-xconfig is upstream's
[07:38] <Lathiat> nvidia-glx-config doesnt work in feisty atm FYI
[07:38] <Lathiat> it fails to load the module because /etc/X11/xorg.cofn doesnt include 'nvidia' as the driver
[07:38] <Lathiat> and it doesnt add nvidia to the config because the module fails to load
[07:38] <Lathiat> ;)
[08:34] <mhb> morning
[08:36] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[08:39] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato
[08:46] <Mez> Hobbsee, Removed 04-dbus_access.patch, as that's specific to debian.
[08:46] <Mez>       Kubuntu uses pam_console and not group to access dbus.
[08:46] <Mez>     * Added debian/DEBIAN-KUBUNTU-DIFFERENCES file describing this
[08:46] <Mez>       change for easy merging in the future.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Mez: hrm.  well, it's buggering up meaning that i cant connect when i first boot.
[08:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you seen this? http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4611592451.html
[08:49] <mhb> Jucato: oh this thing
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh...that...
[08:49] <Jucato> yes.. that...
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they were requiring people to pay for the development thing, too
[08:49] <mhb> Jucato: that's not Ubuntu development team at all, just one guy AFAIK
[08:49] <Jucato> which is what bothers me...
[08:49] <Jucato> the article seems to be implying that it's an official project
[08:50] <Jucato> I thought I either missed an issue of LWN or missed some gossip :)
[08:51] <Jucato> er.. s/LWN/UWN
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that's on crack...
[08:53] <Jucato> so it's really not official?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> no
[08:53] <Hobbsee> well, it's a thing off the forums
[08:53] <Hobbsee> people were asking for money on -devel a while ago, to implement it
[08:54] <Jucato> yeah... that's the only link he could give in the article, which made me dubious. I followed links to the wiki and LP... nothing official. the spec isn't even approved or assigned to anyone
[08:55] <Jucato> could we forward this article to someone who could sort of write to the author?
[08:56] <mhb> #ubuntu-devel could be enough, maybe
[08:56] <Jucato> oooh...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if it's on the forums only, it's definetly not part of core ubuntu development
[08:56] <Hobbsee> mhb: it's not official
[08:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know
[08:57] <Hobbsee> it would ahve to be on ubuntu-devel, with a release announcement on ubuntu-devel-announce
[08:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: I was referring to "could we forward this article to someone..."
[08:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: except for those affairs that are official (like the wiki weekend...)
[08:57] <Jucato> there are some announcements on the forums that are official, though
[08:57] <Jucato> like the Forum council and stuff... but anyway
[08:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahh.  i dont think they're against the GPL in doing it.  mind you, modifying the ubuntu bootloader i hear isnt legal...
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true
[08:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: no, but Jucato is right that someone should write to the author about the fact that this isn't an officially approved project
[08:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed.
[08:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're in #ubuntu-devel? might want to ping someone there about this. the article is on digg... and that's scary
[08:58] <Hobbsee> so's automatix
[08:59] <Hobbsee> it probably falls in the same category
[08:59] <Hobbsee> besides, it's a saturday
[08:59] <Jucato> oh... right... saturday...
[09:04] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:09] <Tonio_> ..... no way to get nvidia-glx driver working on my machine........ I don't get the point
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[09:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: hey.
[09:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: was wineconfig crashing on you?
[09:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: yeah I sent the log to sebas
[09:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: interested getting the mail too ?
[09:18] <_Sime> Tonio_: it pretty easy to fix.
[09:18] <_Sime> Tonio_: yes
[09:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: str() only works for 8bit strings. unicode() should be used all the time.
[09:19] <Tonio_> email ?
[09:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: what email address ?
[09:20] <_Sime> Tonio_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:20] <Tonio_> the email is gone
[09:20] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee (forgot this, sorry)
[09:25] <_Sime> Hobbsee: Hi
[09:25] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[09:25] <_Sime> I got back from Oz this week.
[09:25] <_Sime> spent 2 weeks in Queensland.
[09:26] <_Sime> Deb and I brought back 4 packets of Tim Tams. :-)
[11:38] <Tonio_> I really would like to test this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765
[11:38] <Tonio_> beautifull, and probably merged in kde4 aswell :)
[11:40] <mhb> Tonio_: beautiful maybe, but (at least on the screenshot there) the contacts take a lot of space
[11:42] <Tonio_> mhb: that's why I want to test it :)
[11:42] <mhb> Tonio_: I may be totally wrong though
[11:43] <Tonio_> mhb: more than this the patches makes the contact list themable, which isn't possible actually
[11:45] <mhb> Tonio_: true. Well, go for the testing and then tell us how you liked it, if something breaks in terms of usability and so on and so forth :o)
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you come here today : kdenetwork doesn't build actually due to linux-kernel-headers
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the error is known and impact kopete (same problem than what we had with kcontrol/joystick
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing a fix for this, so if you have issues building 3.5.6 let me know ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/wiki/kdenetwork
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing the first fix in debian/rules
[01:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the exact fix is  : DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV += CXXFLAGS="$(CXXFLAGS) -std=gnu++98"
[01:34] <Tonio_> in debian/rules
[01:34] <Tonio_> works here
[02:32] <mhb> the kubuntu-feisty-networking spec says "Switch to knetworkmanager as default application for wire/wireless network management (see NetworkRoaming)" ... I'm trying to set up knetworkmanager but it only lists wired connections here (my girlfriend's Edgy laptop)
[02:33] <RadiantFire> mhb: try commenting out everything except for loopback in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:35] <mhb> RadiantFire: thanks ... I didn't want support actually, I just wondered if the knetworkmanager is going to be different in Feisty :o)
[02:35] <RadiantFire> it should be
[02:36] <RadiantFire> that was my impression
[02:36] <RadiantFire> i dunno, I just idle cuz I like listening to the chitchat
[03:39] <freeflying> Riddell:
[03:39] <freeflying> from QtLanguageSelectorGUI import Ui_QtLanguageSelectorGUI
[03:39] <freeflying> ImportError
[03:39] <freeflying> :
[03:39] <freeflying> cannot import name Ui_QtLanguageSelectorGUI
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: when run qt-language-selector, error give like above
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: forget about the build issue, it only impacts kdenetwork 3.5.5, not 3.5.6
[04:44] <manchicken> Riddell: If you get a minute, I'm not entirely certain what sort of user experience the spec is calling for when adept_batch is done.  I can give you pretty much any behavior there pretty quickly, but I'm stuck not understanding what you want done.
[05:17] <ryanakca> Tonio_: looks cool
[05:18] <ryanakca> Tonio_: if you build a package of kopete with it... I'm willing to test it...
[05:37] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get the kicker to not start up when logging in but to start kooldock instead?
[05:46] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: if you make kicker hidden (i.e. with just the tab on the right) then I believe it'll stay like that when you've relogged in
[05:47] <gnomefreak> oh ok but no way to replace it with another docker?
[05:47] <apokryphos> ln -s /usr/bin/kooldock ~/.kde/Autostart/kooldock
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ah ok tu
[05:48] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:49] <apokryphos> np
[06:01] <Jucato> apokryphos: actually... dang I was too late...
[06:27] <kwwii> hi all
[06:28] <Lure> hi kwwii
[06:28] <Jucato> hi kwwii!!
[06:28] <kwwii> so....let's figure out where in the heck polyster style puts it config file
[06:34] <kwwii> mhb_: ping?
[06:41] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ping
[06:41] <Jucato> gnomefreak: heh nice :P were you able to hide kicker like you wanted to?
[06:41] <gnomefreak> no
[06:42] <gnomefreak> kicker only hides it doesnt go away but i will work with it later i have to run out now
[06:42] <Jucato> gnomefreak: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Getting_Rid_of_The_Panel
[06:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:42] <Jucato> :)
[06:42] <Jucato> nice contentless ping, btw
[08:38] <manchicken> Riddell: You there?
[09:08] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?  I'd really like to have a chat about the adept_batch changes.
[09:08] <manchicken> i've got a GLUG meeting in less than an hour though.
[09:59] <allee> Lure: about kaffeine/amarok.  Isn't there a Priority file for desktop files?
[10:10] <Lure> allee: no clue about that - Tonio is working on that...
[10:11] <allee> Lure: sorry, I thought you are due to the wiki text change
[10:12] <gnomefreak> who is resonsible for kooldock
[10:24] <Riddell> hi manchicken_
[10:27] <mhb> kwwii: sorry about the delay, it's weekend :o)
[10:29] <Riddell> manchicken_: adept_batch should just quit once it's finished installing the packages.  it shouldn't do anything else, just quit
[10:31] <manchicken_> Riddell: Oh.  That's pretty easy.
[10:31] <Riddell> manchicken: the point is that adept_batch is only ever called from scripts, so it's the job of the script to tell you if it got installed ok or not
[10:32] <manchicken> I'm wondering if it should say "Done" first.
[10:33] <Riddell> nope
[10:33] <Riddell> we considered it, but it's the job of the script that runs adept_batch to keep the user informed
[10:33] <manchicken> No?  Okie dokie.
[10:33] <manchicken> I was concerned that that it just going away would make people think that it had crashed.
[10:35] <Riddell> there's all of one script that uses it, so we have all the use cases covered :)
[10:36] <manchicken> heh
[10:36] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[10:36] <manchicken> I'll exit afterwards.
[10:37] <manchicken> The tooltip thing is hating me right now.
[10:39] <gnomefreak> manchicken: dont feel bad kde hates my guts today
[10:39] <manchicken> heh
[10:41] <gnomefreak> this might sound stupid after my last comment but Riddell so far most everything works in 3.5.6 ;)
[10:43] <Riddell> gnomefreak: edgy or feisty?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> feisty
[10:44] <gnomefreak> will testt edgy starting sometime in the next week
[10:44] <mhb> well I'd love to get that Kopete bubble bug fixed
[10:46] <gnomefreak> hmm wonders if i should try building the latest version
[10:46] <kwwii> mhb: do you know where the config for a user set polyester is?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> Riddell: are we looking at adding kooldock 4.x into feisty?
[10:47] <kwwii> mhb: I want to find the file that determines what I have changed on my local machine
[10:47] <kwwii> I turned off the glassy menubar in apps
[10:48] <Riddell> kwwii: ~/.qt ?
[10:48] <kwwii> and turned off the grey stripe on the menus
[10:48] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, thanks
[10:48] <kwwii> I looked everywhere in .kde :p
[10:49] <mhb> kwwii: have you tried qtcurve yet?
[10:49] <kwwii> Riddell: so can we test using polyester with these settings and a new color scheme (less saturated purple for the selection/scroll bar)
[10:50] <kwwii> mhb: nope, haven't tried it yet
[10:50] <kwwii> just installed this machine a few days ago
[10:53] <kwwii> Riddell: just sent you an email with the idea and the files
[11:02] <manchicken> Riddell: What do you think about adding backup stuff to the installer?
[11:05] <manchicken> Riddell: I've seen an increase in people who're focusing so much on neat stuff that they forget about backing up, and they end up SOL when something bad happens.
[11:09] <Riddell> manchicken: backing up what?
[11:09] <manchicken> The /home tree particularly.
[11:15] <Riddell> manchicken: a port of home user backup to KDE would be nice
[11:15] <Riddell> not sure it needs integrating into a package manager
[11:17] <fdoving> a nice thing is to include /var/backups/ :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> btw guys kxdocker is still broken. been that way since dapper
[11:18] <gnomefreak> iirc
[11:39] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm thinking it might be good to have that as an extra tab in the installer.
[11:39] <manchicken> Maybe like on the last page have alist of "things you may want to do" checkboxes.
[11:47] <manchicken> Riddell: adept_batch changes are done.
[11:48] <manchicken> I decided to use signals and slots rather than just closing in line, just to make it a little more extendable in the future.
[11:49] <manchicken> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~manchicken/adept/adept-batch-finish/
[11:58] <Riddell> manchicken: excellent
[11:59] <Riddell> Zerlinna: should I announce kubuntu-de.org on the kubuntu.org front page?
[11:59] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ah wait a bit for that
[12:00] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I should send you a mail before that :D
[12:14] <ryanakca> manchicken / Adept people: http://pastebin.ca/322657    error upgrading to kde 3.5.6 today... It's fixed according to (lost link)... sudo rm /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/actions/adept_notifier_warning.png  ?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: sudo dpkg -i --froce-overwrite worked for me
[12:16] <gnomefreak> force*
[12:16] <ryanakca> kk


[03:25] <Gareth> jose: I am.
[03:25] <Gareth> ..now.
[03:26] <jose> :P
[03:26] <jose> mind a quick PM?
[03:26] <Gareth> sorry, noticed the time stamp late :)
[03:26] <Gareth> of course.
[22:31] <nhaines> So filming Ubuntu phone videos yesterday was one technical problem after the other.  But I think I got enough done for what I needed!
[22:32] <nhaines> I did a bunch of intro takes.  My cameraman said he was fascinated at how each take was completely different than the previous.


[11:11] <ailion> RikMills: What's the relationship between filesystem.squashfs and target system?
[11:12] <ailion> Is filesystem.squashfs for on-disk live system that d-i runs upon?
[11:25] <ailion> RikMills: package 'cantata' is marked as 'Task: kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full', but either of its dependencies 'libavcodec57' and 'libavcodec-extra57' are not.
[11:26] <ailion> can you confirm this?
 doesn't need to be
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[04:25] <benonsoftware> Hi
[04:25] <benonsoftware> What should I do if I see a typo while translating?


[19:18] <wbrawner> Hi everyone! I've been using Linux for a few years now, and I'd like to finally get involved. By day I'm an Android developer so ideally I'd like to get involved with development, though I'd prefer to work in Go, Python, and C. Where would be a good place to get started?
[19:30] <s1aden> wbrawner: pick an application you know, but which some really minor bug (eg. spelling mistake).  Then work through working out how to fix that little bug
[19:30] <s1aden> wbrawner: this will get you used to the bug tracking system, and the package management/uploading
[19:31] <s1aden> wbrawner: when you've got a diff/branch, somebody can help to push it upstream, and get the patch uploaded
[21:41] <wbrawner> s1aden : thanks, I'll look around then and see what I can find


[02:44] <Unit193> 'This story caused the FAA to go back and look at its own rules. The best the agency can tell us is if a drone is hovering under 10 feet on your property, it might be considered trespassing.'  *Might* be?  Are you kidding?  If I can get a broom and whack it out of the sky, it sure as heck is...
[02:48] <Unit193> This whole drone thing doesn't make me happy. :/
[02:53] <wrst> I prefer the whole blow it out of the sky approach :)
[02:53] <wrst> But use a broom if you must
[02:54] <Unit193> I do too, but that guy was jailed...
[02:54] <Unit193> We have trees, so they can't.
[03:09] <wrst> Yeah jail seems a bit severe
[03:12] <Unit193> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/kentucky-man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-his-backyard/ zat one.
[03:12] <Unit193> I linked it, no?
[09:55] <wrst> Yeah saw that a few days ago
[17:58] <Juzzy> thatwasnt the issue
[17:59] <Juzzy> he shot a shotgun in city limits, that what he was busted on
[17:59] <Juzzy> which is the right thing to do
[18:00] <Juzzy> next time use bow&arrow, rocks, slingshot, bb gun, paintball gun, a freaking watergun
[18:00] <Juzzy> but not a shotgun
[18:17] <wrst> Juzzy: didn't realize that
[18:17] <wrst> that changes things a lot
[18:17] <wrst> city limits its not bright
[18:32] <Juzzy> ya, news articles are not good at telling all the facts sometimes
[18:36] <wrst> News outlets in general seem not great at that, either due to lack of knowledge about the subject or because it doesn't fit their political tilt
[18:37] <wrst> I would love to see a real objective news cast
[19:11] <Unit193> Juzzy: Right, I read that part of it as well, but that seems to not be the bigger issue about it.
[19:11] <Unit193> wrst: Never going to see that one, sadly.
[19:13] <wrst> No you are correct and we are all biased so it is tough
[19:19] <netritious> howdy
[19:24] <netritious> just finished my first draft of a new script-set for managing ipset(s) along with iptables.
[19:26] <netritious> can be used for traffic analysis, IDS/IPS, and/or just outright dropping undesired traffic from IP ranges with no logging.
[19:26] <netritious> looking for people that might be interested in the development of the project.
[19:41] <netritious> anyway thought I would stop by and ask here first
[20:04] <netritious> oh, and when I say first draft I mean a gane&sarson diagram along with working proof of concept code.


[10:22] <mor> Hi
[15:55] <Ludo__> Hi everybody
[15:55] <Ludo__> what is the advantage of alternate iso ?
[16:02] <krytarik> Less need of RAM during installation.
[16:06] <Ludo__> it is only during installation ?
[17:58] <Guest33104> hello quick question what are the minimum spec for lubuntu.. ie will it work on a pIII with 256 megs of ram
[18:22] <genii> Guest33104: Yes, but not very well.
[19:06] <Lavinho> godd afternoon
[19:06] <Lavinho> help me please
[19:06] <Lavinho> confiure speaker bluetooth lubuntu
[19:07] <Lavinho> ?????
[19:07] <tsimonq2> Lavinho: Try emailing the lubuntu-users mailing list
[19:07] <tsimonq2> Also
[19:07] <tsimonq2> !ask
[23:01] <zerothis> so I read how cwiid/wminput has been replaced by xwiimote. So I installed it and... I can connect HID/bluetooth directly, then, nothing... how do I use my wiimote as a mouse, keyboard, and/or joystick device?
[23:08] <zerothis> ok, not entirely nothing, its a 5 button 0-axis joystick


[09:47] <slyon> PeGaSuS: If you remove any gateway6 the IP addresses still stay the same. This settings is only about where outgoing packages are being send
[11:19] <neo7530> Hi
[11:19] <neo7530> maybe someone can help me with an issue ?
[11:20] <neo7530> i have set up netplan with one physical nw-adapter and defined some virtual ip-addresses for a reverse proxy
[11:22] <neo7530> this works so far, but: when i request the website via the virtual ip, the proxy sents the request to the backend via an other ip, as i have requested
[11:23] <neo7530> eg: client => <IP_ADDRESS> => rev. proxy to <IP_ADDRESS> but the request to the backend will be via ip-address <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:27] <kjetilho> what do you mean by virtual ip-address?  probably best to put your netplan in a pastebin/gist
[11:28] <neo7530> network:
[11:28] <neo7530>   ethernets:
[11:28] <neo7530>     enp0s3:
[11:28] <neo7530>       dhcp4: no
[11:28] <neo7530>       addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>/24,<IP_ADDRESS>/24,<IP_ADDRESS>/24]
[11:28] <neo7530>       gateway4: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:28] <neo7530>       nameservers:
[11:28] <neo7530>         addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:29] <neo7530> i have 3 addresses on one physical interface
[11:30] <neo7530> i make a request to <IP_ADDRESS> this will be forwarded via reverse-proxy to a backend-server
[11:30] <neo7530> but the request to the backend will be made via <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:30] <neo7530> and not via <IP_ADDRESS> as requested
[11:31] <PeGaSuS> slyon: right. I've just tested and this seems to work: https://termbin.com/dm07
[11:31] <kjetilho> neo7530: I think you mean, not via, but with source address?
[11:32] <kjetilho> (via implies a hop via a router)
[11:32] <neo7530> yep
[11:32] <neo7530> the request to the backend should be the same as my client sent the request to
[11:33] <neo7530> same ip, i mean
[11:34] <kjetilho> right - you need source routing to enable this.  ie. a route where you specify from: and table:
[11:34] <kjetilho> table is just some integer to separate the routing from the default route table
[11:35] <kjetilho> btw, one of my favourite commands when checking stuff like this is "ip route get A.B.C.D" - it will tell you what src address the kernel will use for a new connection there
[11:44] <neo7530> and how should i do this? i'm fairly new to netplan
[12:08] <kjetilho> routes:
[12:08] <kjetilho>   -
[12:08] <kjetilho>     from: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:08] <kjetilho>     to: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:08] <kjetilho>     via: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:08] <kjetilho>     table: 17
[12:08] <kjetilho> ehhh
[12:09] <kjetilho> cut and paste error of your addresses
[12:09] <kjetilho> to: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:09] <kjetilho> I think is what you wanted?
[12:10] <neo7530> hmmm
[12:10] <neo7530> local <IP_ADDRESS> dev lo table local src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 0
[12:15] <neo7530> doesn't work
[12:17] <kjetilho> you need to explain what you want again
[12:17] <kjetilho> the components are not clear
[12:19] <neo7530> okay. client = 10.24.10.xxx                reverse-proxy <IP_ADDRESS>                    backend <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:20] <neo7530> client request goes to *31
[12:21] <neo7530> reverse-proxy talks to the backend via *30 but should use the *31 for communication
[12:21] <neo7530> same address outgoing as ingoing
[12:22] <neo7530> *30 *31 *33 are on the same physical interface
[12:29] <kjetilho> so backend is your value for to
[12:29] <kjetilho> and reverse-proxy your values for from and via
[12:31] <kjetilho> there might be a better method to make .31 preferred generally - you don't really need a specific exception rule here, it seems
[12:35] <neo7530> ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <neo7530> <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp0s3 src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 0
[12:35] <neo7530> makes no difference
[12:35] <neo7530>       routes:
[12:35] <neo7530>         - to: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <neo7530>           from: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <neo7530>           via: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <neo7530>           table: 101
[12:44] <kjetilho> oh.  I thought netplan added the ip rule automatically  :-(
[12:44] <kjetilho> "15:01 <kjetilho> btw, I just set up source based routing with Netplan - so simple I hardly could believe it :)"  - it was too good to be true ...
[12:46] <neo7530> maybe i should use iptables for this
[12:46] <neo7530> :/
[12:48] <kjetilho> ahhh - I need to add routing-policy!
[12:48] <kjetilho> you, too.
[12:48] <kjetilho> routing-policy:
[12:48] <kjetilho>   - from: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:49] <kjetilho>     table: 101
[12:49] <neo7530> ahh, i try this
[12:50] <kjetilho> the from: in the routes is probably superfluous, then
[12:52] <neo7530> nope, makes no difference
[12:52] <neo7530> this is odd :/
[12:57] <kjetilho> hrm, no ip rules installed here either
[13:54] <kjetilho> hrm, it does work for me though - but I don't understand how, since ip rule does not list any new rules
[13:54] <kjetilho> slyon: ^ how does routing-policy work behind the scenes?
[13:56] <kjetilho> now I'm not sure if routing-policy is needed for my case after all.  it's a bit awkward to test since a reboot is required.
[13:56] <kjetilho> (I mean, applying config will not clean up random stuff added earlier)
[14:04] <slyon> kjetilho: behind the scenes netplan generates a [RoutingPolicyRule] section inside a .network file for systemd
[14:08] <kjetilho> sorry for being a n00b, but I can't find anything like this (I'm on Ubuntu Focal)
[14:09] <kjetilho> that is, no units of type network at all.
[14:16] <kjetilho> right, they end up in /run/systemd/network
[14:16] <kjetilho> and right², the from-parameter in a route ends up as PreferredSource in the .network file
[14:17] <slyon> correct, /run/systemd/networkd/10-netplan-*.network
[14:18] <kjetilho> perhaps my netplan version is too old - 0.101
[14:18] <kjetilho> grep -i policy /run/systemd/network/* → nada
[14:18] <slyon> 0.101 is the latest version. But the "from" parameter should end up as "From=...", see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ydTWpBq9yS/
[14:19] <kjetilho> the from in a route, not routing policy
[14:20] <slyon> ah yes, then you're right
[14:20] <slyon> did you run 'netplan generate' before? to produce the latest files. Also this only applies only if using the 'networkd' renderer (the default). Do you use NetworkManager renderer?
[14:20] <kjetilho> doh.  I was running netplan apply ~kjetilho/login-osl2.yaml
[14:20] <kjetilho> that really should cause an error
[14:21] <kjetilho> (or preferably - work)
[14:22] <kjetilho> there we go, I got ip rules :)
[14:22] <slyon> nice!
[14:22] <kjetilho> (after copying my file to /etc/netplan
[14:23] <kjetilho> I do wonder if PreferredSource is sufficient for me


[09:56] <gaetano_> ailo: hello!
[09:56] <gaetano_> ailo:how are u?
[10:14] <gaetano_> hello everyone, i just finished the transmission for the installation of ubuntu studio 12.10...what am i gonna do for complete the installation? the transmission doesnt say anything else
[10:14] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, what transmission? It is a torrent app...
[10:15] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: yes the torrent...what i have to do now?
[10:15] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, you have to put it into a USB. Use unetbootin
[10:17] <gaetano_> smartboyhw:  whats unetbootin?
[10:17] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, it is a software for creating a live USB.
[10:19] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: so i need to download unetbootin for linux, and then?
[10:19] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, yes, then just follow it:P
[10:21] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: :)) ok! with u guys here ill become a computer genius!!
[10:21] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:24] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: lol, in the unetbootin homepage says the official derivates supported for ubuntu are till 12.04...and me i installing 12.10....is it ok the same way?
[10:25] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, you did download the ISO right?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> select Diskimage, and browse to the ISO
[10:28] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: where is diskimage?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, wait wait wait
[10:29] <smartboyhw> in terminal just type "sudo apt-get install unetbootin"
[10:32] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: i got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1311878/
[10:35] <smartboyhw> gaetano_, ask it in #ubuntu please:P
[10:36] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: ok!
[10:38] <gaetano_> smartboyhw:  is it a strange error?
[11:01] <gaetano_> smartboyhw: they sayid to remove the error but i dont know how to do it! lol
[11:01] <gaetano_> smartboyhw : dont u know how to do it?
[11:17] <gaetano_> ailo: hello ailo! are u there?!?
[12:35] <smartboyhw> gaetano, sorry never encountered that error so
[12:36] <gaetano> i think its better for me to get an USB and put ubuntustudio there
[12:37] <gaetano> smartboyhw: do i need to open the torrent with brasero with te iso extension and then piu it into the USB right?
[12:37] <smartboyhw> !?
[12:40] <gaetano> smartboyhw: lol, if i want to put ubuntu into a pen drive what i have to do?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> gaetano, er can you find startup disk creator?
[12:42] <gaetano> smartboyhw: where should it be?
[12:42] <smartboyhw> gaetano, are you using Ubuntu NOW?
[12:42] <gaetano> yes
[12:43] <smartboyhw> gaetano, search it:P
[12:45] <gaetano> smartboyhw: do i seach it in the terminal?
[12:45] <smartboyhw> gaetano, just find it
[12:45] <smartboyhw> is that really difficult?
[12:46] <gaetano> smartboyhw: lol ok found it
[12:48] <gaetano> smartboyhw: i have found it, and now?
[12:48] <smartboyhw> gaetano, choose your iso, choose your disk to use, then "Make Startup Disk"
[12:54] <gaetano> smartboyhw: i have only a 700 MB disk...do i have to get more "space"right?
[12:54] <smartboyhw> gaetano, you have to
[12:55] <gaetano> smartboyhw: an USB is ok?
[12:55] <smartboyhw> gaetano, yes
[12:56] <gaetano> smartboyhw: but in the space of the disk what i gotta write? the name of the USB?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> gaetano, what?
[12:57]  * smartboyhw is completely confused
[12:59] <gaetano> smartboyhw: forget about! lol i erote wrong! anyway, aim gonna get the usb! ill let u know later! brb! thanks again smartboyhw!
[12:59] <smartboyhw> gaetano, :D
[13:53] <gaetano> smartboyhw: ok igot the USB and im installing on startuo disk creator! :)
[13:53] <smartboyhw> gaetano, yay
[13:54] <gaetano> smartboyhw: this simply installation of ubuntu is being for me difficult like an operation of the CIA! ahuaahu
[13:55] <smartboyhw> kik
[13:55] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:56] <gaetano> smartboyhw: do u program?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> gaetano, no
[14:04] <gaetano> smartboyhw: installation completed!
[14:04] <smartboyhw> gaetano, good.
[14:04] <gaetano> smartboyhw: now!? lol
[14:04] <smartboyhw> gaetano, reboot and boot into USB
[14:06] <gaetano> smartboyhw: but how can i choose where i want to boot in?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> gaetano, in the boot menu.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> gaetano, srsly you never installed an OS before?
[14:06] <gaetano> smartboyhw: unfortnally no...
[14:06] <smartboyhw> gaetano, how come you can get Ubuntu then?
[14:07] <gaetano> smartboyhw: my bro did it for me
[14:08] <smartboyhw> gaetano, grrrrrr. I can't tell you exactly how, it differs by each computer
[14:08] <smartboyhw> When you reboot see if there is "Boot options" available
[14:11] <gaetano> smartboyhw: no there isnt.. starts right away ubuntustudio
[14:11] <gaetano> smartboyhw:maybe i gotta get into the BIOS?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> gaetano, yes
[14:11] <smartboyhw> go into BIOS
[14:39] <contrapunctus> Eh
[14:39] <contrapunctus> smartboyhw, who on earth needs to go into the BIOS to select boot device? O_o
[14:40] <smartboyhw> contrapunctus, Sir gaetano
[14:40] <contrapunctus> olololo :D
[14:44] <gaetano> lmao!!
[14:45] <gaetano> smartboyhw: ok so if  there is not boot options when i reboot, how do i boot into USB?
[15:15] <contrapunctus> gaetano that option is always there.
[15:15] <gaetano> contrapunctus?
[15:15] <gaetano> ok
[15:15] <gaetano> ok
[15:15] <gaetano> thanks
[15:15] <contrapunctus> Just each computer has a different way, so just restart and see if it says something like 'press xyz (usually one of the function keys) for boot devices'.
[15:16] <contrapunctus> Pardon my slow typing -.-'
[15:16] <gaetano> ok thanks a lot
[18:33] <studio-user814> :o) hi!
[20:19] <contrapunctus> Okay. It may seem trivial but my eyes are seriously complaining - I installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1, then KXStudio...and it's theme, while great, is bad for Firefox - the text fields, such as those on Facebook, are an all-too-light gray. Can't read what I'm writing, and highlighting is not a good solution. Changing Firefox themes doesn't help. Maybe it's the system theme - so...how can I edit that?
[20:35] <contrapunctus> Folks...how does one edit themes in XFCE? O_o
[20:46] <len-dt> contrapunctus, I don't know how to edit themes but they can be switched in settings.
[20:46] <len-dt> There are two different settings to play with.
[20:48] <len-dt> Appearance has style/icons and fonts and Window Manager Style->Theme.
[20:49] <len-dt> You may have to go back and forth as one affects the other.
[20:50] <len-dt> That is some Appearance settings do not go well with some Theme settings.
[20:51] <len-dt> The settings should take effect as you change them so have some windows open so you can see the effect.
[20:58] <contrapunctus> Thanks, len-dt,, I'ma try it out.


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <MooDoo> morning
[07:15] <silverlion> morning MooDoo
[07:33] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:35] <silverlion> good morning davidcalle
[07:39] <popey> yo
[07:42] <silverlion> aloha popey
[09:26]  * popey pops to the shop, back in a bit
[09:56] <Silentlord> hi, i want an email to contact someone regards application review
[10:05] <popey> Silentlord: what kind of application?
[11:18] <danialbehzadi> hey all
[11:18] <danialbehzadi> Is here where I can ask about ubuntu membership stuffs?
[11:20] <dholbach> salaam danialbehzadi :)
[11:20] <dholbach> yes you can
[11:20] <danialbehzadi> dholbach: salam (:
[11:21] <danialbehzadi> I read about the Certificates For Ubuntu Members  last year and I filled this form: https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/
[11:21] <danialbehzadi> But nothing happend till now
[11:21] <danialbehzadi> Is it still available?
[11:21] <dholbach> danialbehzadi, ok... no worries - I'll send a mail to Michelle and you and we can find out what happened
[11:21] <dholbach> yes, it is
[11:21] <dholbach> I guess something went wrong along the way - we'll find out
[11:22] <danialbehzadi> dholbach: thanks a lot daniel, mamnoon (:
[11:23] <dholbach> danialbehzadi, khahesh mikonam
[14:34] <davidcalle> mhall119, it looks like all subpages of https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ are broken. Any idea what's going on?
[14:35] <davidcalle> mhall119, bug reports have started popping up yesterday, pages themselves look fine in draft mode and are published
[14:35]  * davidcalle tries to unpublish/publish back
[14:36] <mhall119> davidcalle: let me look
[14:37]  * davidcalle nope, still nothing
[14:38] <mhall119> davidcalle: nothing seems wrong...
[14:42] <mhall119> even copying a page, the copy breaks...
[14:43] <davidcalle> mhall119, any way we could pull the data and put it on an instance with debug mode enabled?
[14:44] <mhall119> possibly
[14:49] <mhall119> davidcalle: I've asked for a copy of the error logs, that might show us something
[14:49] <mhall119> if not, I'll have them create a data dump for us
[14:49] <davidcalle> ok
[15:01] <davidcalle> mhall119, I'm also running a link checker on api/* there seems to be a few doc issues (dead links in doc from branches) and some urls  automatically cropped in the middle in the components overview page
[15:05] <mhall119> davidcalle: can you provide me a list?
[15:09] <davidcalle> mhall119, as soon as the link checker is done, yes (it takes a very long time)
[15:09] <davidcalle> (behind a vpn)
[16:00] <jono> hey all
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, hey, is dpm away?
[16:03] <popey> jono: yes
[16:03] <jono> ahhh
[16:03] <jono> np
[16:03] <popey> vacation till next week
[16:03] <jono> cool
[16:14] <davidcalle> mhall119, I need to drive home, I'll run it again from there and should be able to send you something this evening (it has currently checked 200 000+ links on the developer.ubuntu.com domain, as you can imagine, it will take an awful time...)
[16:16]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:16] <mhall119> davidcalle: good news! those pages fail locally
[16:16] <davidcalle> Hah, we need tests! *cough*
[16:17] <mhall119> we really do, yes
[16:17] <mhall119> davidcalle: it looks like either a template code bug, or a page setting gone wrong
[16:17] <mhall119> but it's definitely somewhere in the menu
[16:18] <mhall119> strange that it doesn'f fail in draft mode though
[16:19] <davidcalle> mhall119, well, draft is clearly special, for ex. link plugins copied between different text plugins work in draft mode and fail on live (you have to re-do link plugins if you move them around)
[16:20]  * davidcalle drives away, ttyl
[17:23] <mhall119> tutorials pages are "fixed" for now
[17:24] <mhall119> one bug down, I'll continue working on yours balloons, after lunch
[17:25] <balloons> :-)
[18:38] <davidcalle> mhall119, so if I understand correctly, sibling.get_slug only checks for current language?
[18:41] <davidcalle> mhall119, which means, a chinese only page with slug, won't return anything from an english page query, right?
[18:46] <mhall119> davidcalle: correct
[18:47] <mhall119> it was the only way I found to check "does this sibling page exist in the current language"
[18:47] <mhall119> unfortuntely that doesn't verify that it's published
[18:47] <davidcalle> mhall119, yay, was there an explicit error message or just trial and error to find it out?
[18:47] <mhall119> there wasn't any way to do that from within the template, that I could find anyway
[18:48] <mhall119> davidcalle: it was explicitly erroring on the |default:sibling.get_absolute_url
[18:48] <mhall119> so I used pdb to trace what was happening from there, and it was looking for a Title object in current language for the sibling page, and if it didn't find it an exception was thrown
[18:49] <mhall119> while get_slug does mostly the same things, but if it doesn't find a Title it handles it gracefully by simply returning an empty string
[18:50] <mhall119> davidcalle: also, I temporarily fixed production by creating Title objects for the two chinese-only pages, but they have empty content on them in english
[18:50] <davidcalle> mhall119, nice found :)
[18:51] <mhall119> thanks, once I'm done with nick's stuff I'm going to see if there an newer upstream django-cms that might fix this properly
[23:23] <m8ty> Evening all
[23:24] <m8ty> Can i pick your brians with an issue am having with my HD webcam please?
[23:28] <m8ty> when i start it it works for a a very short while then stops  .  Xorg.0.log shows the error as though webcam is added as keyboard
[23:28] <m8ty> am not going to use pastebin as there are only 4 lines logged
[23:29] <m8ty> well more 7 actually
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (**) TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD: always reports core events
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (**) evdev: TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD: Device: "/dev/input/event11"
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (--) evdev: TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD: Vendor 0x4f2 Product 0xb326
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (--) evdev: TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD: Found keys
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (II) evdev: TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD: Configuring as keyboard
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.3/3-1.3:1.0/input/input24/event11"
[23:30] <m8ty> [730782.677] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD" (type: KEYBOARD, id 13)
[23:30] <m8ty> any ideas to fix this is much appreciated
[23:39] <pleia2> m8ty: you want to ask in #ubuntu or on askubuntu.com, this channel is for community organizing :)
[23:40] <m8ty> Alright, no worries.  cheers anyway
[23:41] <pleia2> good luck
[23:41] <m8ty> thanks. see ya


[17:51] <est31> question: will 16.10 get mesa 12?
[19:32] <tjaalton> yes
[19:34] <est31> nice
[19:34]  * est31 will be able to try vulkan


[00:52] <jbicha> fossfreedom: uploaded. I didn't see the bug until now
[00:54] <jbicha> I'm not completely gone. I just need to use more of my time to focus on other priorities these days
[00:57] <jbicha> feel free to ping or email if you want to get my attention
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:12] <tsimonq2> Hey didrocks, how are you?
[06:13] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:13] <tsimonq2> Hey oSoMoN :)
[06:13] <oSoMoN> hey tsimonq2, hey didrocks
[06:14] <didrocks> hey tsimonq2, good! yourself?
[06:14] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:14] <didrocks> tu arrives à dormir? pas trop crevé ?
[06:16] <tsimonq2> didrocks: Pretty good :)
[06:19] <oSoMoN> didrocks, pas assez, je suis fatigué, heureusement le week-end arrive
[06:20] <oSoMoN> je vais pouvoir faire des siestes \o/
[06:23] <duflu> Morning didrocks, tsimonq2, oSoMoN
[06:23] <duflu> et tout le monde
[06:23] <tsimonq2> Hey duflu :)
[06:23] <duflu> Well, Europe anyway
[06:25] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: bon courage :)
[06:28] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:28] <didrocks> small patch of the morning: https://github.com/ubuntu/communitheme/pull/639/files
[06:28] <gitlab-bot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 639 in communitheme "Install override file for ubuntu-dock style" (comments: 2) [Open]
[06:29] <didrocks> people developping the theme were hacking away with a mix of the snap session and manually installed things in /usr :p
[06:29] <didrocks> so yeah, ofc, there are some leftovers when reshaping for them a proper build system
[06:37] <duflu> Also good morning Africa
[10:08] <Trevinho> Morning
[10:10] <tsimonq2> Heya Trevinho :)
[10:11] <Trevinho> Hi tsimonq2
[10:14] <duflu> Hi Trevinho
[10:14] <duflu> And good night, bon-weekend
[10:55] <doko> Trevinho: fyi, mutter ftbfs on i386
[12:26] <willcooke> Happy Friday!
[12:27] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[12:44] <doko> didrocks: fyi, ubuntu-settings ftbfs
[12:45] <didrocks> doko: I know, it's a meson regression
[12:45] <didrocks> debugged, filed a bug upstream, tagged as a regression, will be fixed in the next release
[12:47] <c-lobrano> hi all!
[12:47] <didrocks> hey c-lobrano
[12:48] <c-lobrano> didrocks: I'm working on 465, gnome-software ships with it's own gtk-style.css as gresource which seems loaded after ours, so that we cannot modify some properties
[12:48] <c-lobrano> eh, sorry hi didrocks! :D
[12:50] <c-lobrano> is the above due to the mechanism we use to load css in snap?
[12:51] <didrocks> c-lobrano: nothing to be done with the loading mechanism, it's just that the css loaded by the app will always have priorities over the general theme one
[12:52] <c-lobrano> didrocks: I feared this :(
[12:52] <didrocks> c-lobrano: however, you can have an apps/ directory
[12:52] <didrocks> like we have /usr/share/themes/Radiance/gtk-3.20/apps/gnome-panel.css for instance
[12:53] <didrocks> I wonder if that would work with the snap, worth a try
[12:53] <didrocks> at worse, for testing, you can symlink
[12:53] <c-lobrano> didrocks: great, I can see if that work, thanks
[12:54] <didrocks> c-lobrano: keep me posted :)
[12:54] <c-lobrano> ;)
[13:09] <c-lobrano> didrocks: I assume the filename is the same as software executable (i.e. gnome-software.css)
[13:11] <didrocks> c-lobrano: exactly
[13:12] <c-lobrano> didrocks: if this is the only requirement, it does not seem to work :(
[13:12] <c-lobrano> I mkdir apps in /usr/share/Communitheme/gtk-3.0 and copied the simplest css there
[13:13] <didrocks> c-lobrano: interesting, Trevinho would know maybe? ^
[13:14] <didrocks> c-lobrano: I assumed you tried /usr/share/*themes*/Communitheme…
[13:14] <didrocks> (and that it was just a typo?
[13:14] <c-lobrano> didrocks: yes, typo here, but right on the system :D
[13:15] <didrocks> ok, let's see what Trevinho tells…
[13:15] <c-lobrano> alright (y)
[13:40] <muktupavels> didrocks, c-lobrano: what are you trying to do? GTK+ does not automatically load app specific css files.
[13:40] <muktupavels> in Ambiance it is imported - https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-themes/trunk/view/head:/Ambiance/gtk-3.20/gtk-main.css#L67
[13:40] <Trevinho> mh let me see
[13:41] <c-lobrano> muktupavels: oh I see. I am not importing this css from the main one
[13:41] <c-lobrano> muktupavels: so is it just a css organization style (apps specific css)? Does not have any effect on gtk+?
[13:42] <muktupavels> no it does not have any effect...
[13:42] <muktupavels> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/master/src/gs-application.c#L271
[13:42] <muktupavels> gnome-software loads it with app priority... so I think there is nothing you can do from theme.
[13:42] <c-lobrano> muktupavels: pity, so it is the same we do already with _apps.scss. Does that mean that g-s gtk-style.css will always have priority over our css?
[13:43] <muktupavels> yes.
[13:43] <c-lobrano> :(
[13:43] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: so... you want to include some custom css for an app only, righ?
[13:43] <Trevinho> so, yeah.., as muktupavels said, no way
[13:43] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: yes, we would :D
[13:44] <c-lobrano> I mean, I didn't expect this was g-s specific
[13:44] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: there was some discussion at GUADEC also about theming, and some apps want just to be right.... So someone provide inside their codebase exception for theming
[13:44] <Trevinho> I can't remember examples, but indeed there are
[13:44] <Trevinho> while forcing otherwise
[13:44] <muktupavels> Maybe gnome-software can load it as fallback? Not sure it that will work correctly...
[13:45] <muktupavels> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkStyleProvider.html#GTK-STYLE-PROVIDER-PRIORITY-FALLBACK:CAPS
[13:45] <c-lobrano> Trevinho, muktupavels: it is weird though. The same icon is blue under adwaita and orange in communitheme
[13:46] <muktupavels> what icon?
[13:47] <c-lobrano> installed apps have a circular badge
[13:47] <c-lobrano> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1o3vafvF/image.png
[13:47] <muktupavels> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/master/src/gtk-style.css#L13
[13:47] <muktupavels> it probably just recolors based on color!?
[13:47] <c-lobrano> the badge is an image with .installed-icon class
[13:48] <didrocks> c-lobrano: as muktupavels pointed out, do you set theme_selected_bg_color?
[13:49] <c-lobrano> oh, yes we do
[13:49] <c-lobrano> found it now
[13:49] <didrocks> and so, it's not picked?
[13:50] <muktupavels> Why is that problem that Adwaita has blue and communitheme orange?
[13:50] <c-lobrano> for sure, adwaita set this theme_selected_bg_color to blue
[13:50] <c-lobrano> *sets
[13:50] <c-lobrano> we use our selection color, which is orange
[13:51] <didrocks> weird…
[13:51] <didrocks> I don't think we do any magic in Ambiance/Radiance, Trevinho ^
[13:52] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: as for including extra css files it should work, if you use the classic @import url...
[13:52] <didrocks> Trevinho: look at the discussion above with gnome-software color
[13:52] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: yes, that is working indeed
[13:52] <didrocks> sounds like it's picking from theme_selected_bg_color
[13:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, that message was sent while i got disconnected :-D
[13:53] <Trevinho> so the delay
[13:53] <Trevinho> anyway...
[13:53] <didrocks> Trevinho: ahah ;)
[13:53] <c-lobrano> the problem is that g-s is using a very generic color :D
[13:53] <c-lobrano> ;)
[13:53] <c-lobrano> not sure I can change that without affecting other elements, but this is a different problem
[13:53] <Trevinho> those colors are set in ambiance of course... But yeah, they can be for many things
[13:54] <c-lobrano> I assume that changing this define before setting the property and then change it back again, would not work, right? :D
[13:54] <Trevinho> eh, nope
[13:54]  * c-lobrano already is thinking some dirty tricks
[13:54] <c-lobrano> :)
[13:55] <muktupavels> oh, does gtk support !important?
[13:55] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: it's probably better to ask upstream to make possible this theming
[13:55] <muktupavels> if so then it might work..
[13:55] <muktupavels> .installed-icon { color: red !important; }
[13:55] <c-lobrano> muktupavels: not sure, g-s complains when I tried
[13:55] <didrocks> Trevinho: but, it is overridable
[13:56] <didrocks> look at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/master/src/gtk-style.css#L13
[13:56] <didrocks> so, it should pick theme_selected_bg_color
[13:56] <didrocks> and c-lobrano told that it was set to orange
[13:56] <didrocks> which isn't what he sees from what I understand?
[13:56] <Trevinho> yes, so should happen
[13:56] <c-lobrano> didrocks: yes it is orange
[13:56] <didrocks> ahhhh
[13:56] <c-lobrano> it's working as expected
[13:56] <didrocks> so, all good? I'm unsure
[13:56] <didrocks> about your question :p
[13:56] <didrocks> you mentioned about blueish marks
[13:57] <c-lobrano> :D, since it is more an "indication" than a selection, we didn't want it orange
[13:57] <didrocks> ahhhh
[13:57] <c-lobrano> yes, sorry, I was talking about adwaita
[13:57] <Trevinho> ambiance define all the colors I guess, so these should be redefined by all the themes in general
[13:57] <didrocks> !important isn't supported in the Shell, I don't know for gtk
[13:57] <Trevinho> shell has different code for css parsing
[13:58] <Trevinho> well using same low-level library, but then different
[13:58] <didrocks> yep, that's not what I was asking for :)
[13:58] <didrocks> just if GTK has !important support ;)
[13:58] <Trevinho> has...
[13:59] <didrocks> ok, so I think c-lobrano can override it then, if desired, unsure about the fact to not use the theme color as other apps
[13:59] <muktupavels> gtk inspector does not like !important...
[13:59] <c-lobrano> when I use !important, g-s complains "junk at the end of colors"
[13:59] <Trevinho> at least, in the source code is ised in various places like when loading symbolic svgs...
[13:59] <c-lobrano> *junk at the end of value for color
[14:00] <didrocks> c-lobrano: yeah, forget about the Shell, you are in a GTK use case here anyway and we know it doesn't support it
[14:00] <c-lobrano> muktupavels: gtkinspector can do the trick, because it's css is loaded even after g-s one :D
[14:01] <didrocks> ah g-s -> gnome software, not the shell
[14:01] <c-lobrano> oops, yes
[14:01]  * didrocks got it now :)
[14:01] <didrocks> that's why there was my previous remark :p
[14:01] <c-lobrano> sorry for the misunderstanding
[14:01] <c-lobrano> :D
[14:01] <didrocks> could have been gnome session as well :p
[14:01] <c-lobrano> right
[14:02] <didrocks> annoying it doesn't like it :/
[14:02]  * c-lobrano is removing this todo from the list
[14:02] <didrocks> "done" ECANTDO :)
[14:03] <c-lobrano> but Trevinho is right, I can ask upstream
[14:03] <c-lobrano> and then provide the fix upstream if I can :D
[14:03] <muktupavels> well gnome-software could load extra css as fallback that has @define-color gs_installed_icon_color @theme_selected_bg_color and then in communitheme you could set your own color.
[14:03] <c-lobrano> didrocks: I like that label! ECANTDO
[14:03] <Trevinho> yeah, that could be a good way to do it...
[14:03] <didrocks> c-lobrano: hehe, works in a lot of cases :)
[14:04] <didrocks> but yeah muktupavels is right, unsure if they will want to extend it that way though…
[14:04] <Trevinho> like using a define color pointing as default to the current one
[14:04] <Trevinho> allowing overriding
[14:04]  * didrocks would like that being a gtk feature
[14:04] <Trevinho> upstream should be fine on this
[14:04] <Trevinho> eh... app devs maybe not :-D
[14:04] <c-lobrano> better than mine, was using wontdo, which is way too personal ;)
[14:04] <didrocks> heh
[14:04] <c-lobrano> I can ask for !important
[14:05] <didrocks> or set_color($specific_color,$fallback_color)
[14:05] <didrocks> if first isn't set, fallback to second
[14:05] <didrocks> I guess that's what Trevinho was elluding to
[14:08] <c-lobrano> I see
[14:10] <Trevinho> yeah, like a define... see what upstream prefers
[14:11] <Trevinho> anyone has time for sponsoring my nautilus update?
[14:12] <Trevinho> Seb appartently didn't had time this morning
[14:12] <didrocks> if it doesn't involve git-workflow discussion… :p
[14:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: doesn't
[14:12] <didrocks> can have a look, cosmic?
[14:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: see https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus there are MP for both cosmic and bionic
[14:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: you've write access to salsa also?=
[14:14] <didrocks> Trevinho: I don't
[14:14] <Trevinho> ah branches are *-3-26-4
[14:14] <Trevinho> ah ok
[14:14] <didrocks> links to the MP?
[14:14] <didrocks> that will be easier
[14:14] <Trevinho> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/350170
[14:14] <Trevinho> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/350174
[14:15] <Trevinho> I didn't finalize the changelog + tag though, but I can do if you don't want to do it as the sponsor
[14:15] <didrocks> I can do it
[14:15] <didrocks> however, I'll only do cosmic today
[14:15] <didrocks> but the whole pristine-tar worflow sucks, we have to pull/push for MP with new version
[14:15] <Trevinho> yep
[14:15] <didrocks> I wonder how much we are complicating ourself for no good reason (what's the point to have tarballs now with meson?)
[14:16] <Trevinho> I've proposed pristine-tar + upstream/3.26.x branches to salsa too
[14:16] <didrocks> great! :)
[14:16] <Trevinho> no point.. also because gbp can build one quickly
[14:17] <didrocks> but yeah, I think we should discuss about using upstream git only + packaging branch
[14:17] <didrocks> and a good versionning so that a cherry-pick is really a cherry-pick
[14:17] <didrocks> food for thoughts :)
[14:17] <didrocks> Revert "Revert "files-view: Remove new empty folder name
[14:17] <didrocks> ;)
[14:18] <Trevinho> yeah... :D I wanted to revert it 10 times to make reviewing funnier
[14:19] <didrocks> heh, a diff in a diff in a diff generating a new diff could be fun
[14:21] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, I can't pull upstream/3.26.x in upstream/latest
[14:21] <didrocks> there are conflicts
[14:21] <didrocks> I was expected your branch to be descendant of it
[14:22] <didrocks> (and still use upstream/latest until we don't diverge on version between bionic and cosmic)
[14:22] <Trevinho> ah... well upstream/latest is not used here since in debian it points to .28 so I thought we should use that
[14:23] <Trevinho> that 3.26.x is just debian salsa + this release
[14:23] <Trevinho> upstream/latest.. not touched
[14:27] <didrocks> Trevinho: ah, yeah, you're right then. But you need gbp.conf to point to the new branch (see instructions)
[14:27] <didrocks> Trevinho: I wonder how your branch could have built then?
[14:27] <Trevinho> isn't that already the case?
[14:27] <Trevinho> I've `upstream-branch=upstream/3.26.x`
[14:28] <didrocks> ah, so an update with this was already done
[14:28] <didrocks> ok, but as gbp didn't download the branch…
[14:28] <didrocks> really, there is something we are getting wrong with that whole workflow IMHO…
[14:28] <Trevinho> mnhmh, why it doesn't how can we make it point to it?
[14:29] <didrocks> Trevinho: so, changes look good, let me testbuild
[14:29] <didrocks> yeah, gbp should be smart enough for this IMHO
[14:29] <Trevinho> like after cloning, check the conf and see what's missing...
[14:29] <didrocks> right
[14:32] <Trevinho> but overriding latest would have been worse here to have debian to work later
[14:38] <didrocks> agreed
[14:38] <didrocks> in that case, it's legit IMHO
[14:38] <didrocks> Trevinho: builds fine and works well to me, sponsoring cosmic :)
[14:39]  * didrocks needs to remember to not use debcommit -r
[14:41] <didrocks> Trevinho: all done, and branches pushed
[14:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: thanks
[14:41] <didrocks> thanks to you!
[14:41] <didrocks> let's see once it's in for nautilus
[14:41] <didrocks> on bionic
[14:47] <Trevinho> it's basically the same
[14:47] <Trevinho> git diff ubuntu/master-3-26-4 on bionic will tell you :)
[15:12] <sdeziel> Could someone tell me where to report a bug with gnome-calculator's snap?
[15:17] <didrocks> kenvandine[m]: do we have somewhere dedicated for our snaps? ^
[15:19] <sdeziel> having a way to pull the sources of said snap would be nice too :)
[15:25] <didrocks> sdeziel: something to request the snapd team on the forum, I think there are already some threads on it
[15:28] <sdeziel> didrocks: OK, thanks
[17:16] <oSoMoN> time to call it a week
[17:17] <oSoMoN> have a great week-end everyone