[00:18] <llsp> Every time I plug it in or boot up with it plugged in, my Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 USB headset freezes my Toshiba Satellite laptop running Ubuntu Lucid 10.04.1 LTS (amd64). The problem seems related to this bug (#618155) detailed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/618155 , except that uninstalling linux-backports-modules-alsa (as advised here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/05/%23ubuntu-beginners.h
[00:18] <llsp> tml ) doesn't solve the problem. I had actually 'preinstalled' the ALSA backports modules on my installation medium to solve the headphone jack sense problem in Ubuntu, but found that installing the Linuxant ALSA drivers for my Conexant chipset (here: http://www.linuxant.com/alsa-driver/ ) was a better fix. The headphone jack sense problem for normal headphones is solved, but my USB headset still freezes my system. Thanks, and
[00:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 618155 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel 2.6.32-24 usb audio device causes cpu lockup (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[00:18] <llsp>  I appreciate any help I can get.
[00:20] <reaper_> can anyone help me install xen
[00:25] <nit-wit> reaper_, you there
[00:30] <reaper_> yeah
[00:30] <reaper_> getting food
[00:38] <reaper_> was'
[00:44] <reaper_> nit-wit, you there
[00:51] <reaper_> I am so lost
[01:15] <MrRyanThai> Hello everyone,I'm a complete Ubuntu noob and I'm trying to get a video card driver for it. I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 with an ATI x1400 video card.If anyone can help,that'd be awesome :D
[01:16] <reaper_> what have you tried so far
[01:17] <MrRyanThai> I've haven't actually tried anything yet,just reading about it
[01:17] <MrRyanThai> and not having any luck.Like I said,I'm a complete noob =/
[01:18] <head_victim> !ati
[01:18] <ubot2> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:18] <head_victim> MrRyanThai: have a look at the "Basic Installation Instructions" on that website link
[01:19] <head_victim> ONly go on to the more detailed instructions if the other way doesn't work at all
[01:19] <MrRyanThai> alright,thank you :)
[01:19] <MrRyanThai> appreciate it
[01:20] <Sensenetheru> hello! I am trying to install a ra3370 wireless network adapter on ubuntu 10.10. i am partway thru the install and now im stuck. can anyone help?
[01:20] <head_victim> reaper_: I'd have no experience with xen but this might help
[01:20] <head_victim> !xen
[01:20] <ubot2> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[01:20] <reaper_> ok thanks I think its working this time
[01:21] <head_victim> Sensenetheru: what instructions are you following and where are you getting stuck?
[01:21] <reaper_> That the one Im going by now
[01:21] <head_victim> reaper_: hope it works out  :)
[01:22] <reaper_> thanks head_victim me too
[01:24] <Sensenetheru> @head_victim i started with the files on the cd, run tar -xvf the.tar.gz file,  cd 2010_0223_RT3370_LinuxSTA_V<IP_ADDRESS> , ran 'sudo make' and now idk what to do
[01:24] <head_victim> Sensenetheru: ah ok so were building your own, I thought there should be some available for it
[01:24] <Sensenetheru> valkyrie was helping me on the #ubuntu channel, but they left in the middle
[01:25] <Sensenetheru> i would have thought so to, but there wasnt any other options apparently
[01:26] <head_victim> Sensenetheru: I'd have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[01:26] <head_victim> I'm not an expert in the area but that might have some points
[01:26] <head_victim> pointers*
[01:28] <Sensenetheru> ok, ill give it a go, ty
[01:29] <nit-wit> reaper_, I looked at the xen website I wouldn't really be able to help. I thought zen the OS when I responded originally
[01:35] <reaper_> yeah I just there too but its still making so have to wait and see
[01:36] <reaper_> but I have gotin to a point that I couldnt get to earlier
[01:38] <reaper_> in terminal says remote: counting objects: and it moving up, at 130,000+
[04:57] <sogepp> guys, anyone here?
[04:57] <nit-wit> sogepp, yeah what about it.:)
[04:58] <bioterror> I was going to be, but I'm a little late from the train
[04:58] <sogepp> hi nit-wit,
[04:58] <bioterror> hope I dont have to stand long at the train station :D
[04:58] <nit-wit> sogepp, howdy
[04:58] <nit-wit> lust lurking
[04:58] <nit-wit> *just
[04:58] <sogepp> i have a plan for my notebook, i'll allocate 50gb of my hd for linux with 2 distro
[04:59] <sogepp> i planing install slack and ubuntu
[04:59] <nit-wit> sogepp, did we work on the netbook before?
[05:00] <sogepp> nope, notebook, i planing re-installing my notebook
[05:00] <nit-wit> sogepp, slack is lilo I think
[05:00] <sogepp> yep, but can't I use grub when i use ubuntu, so grub will recognize all OS on my HD
[05:01] <nit-wit> sogepp, not sure about lilo I haven't used it enough, I saw somebody who had gotten grub2 installed in slack though
[05:02] <sogepp> i want make 1 /home directories  for both distro, can't i implant that? and can u suggest how Gb should i allocate for each /root and /home?
[05:03] <sogepp> he he
[05:03] <nit-wit> sogepp,  I don't do separate homes so I'm not the best for that. I have all my stuff on a external.
[05:04] <sogepp> hwhwhw
[05:04] <sogepp> I see,
[05:04] <stlsaint> sogepp: for a seperate /boot use 200mb
[05:04] <nit-wit> I sound like a beginner now
[05:04] <stlsaint> sogepp: for a seperate root go with anywhere from 12-15GB
[05:04] <stlsaint> sogepp: give the rest to home
[05:05] <sogepp> owh, why do i need separate /boot?
[05:05] <stlsaint> sogepp: wait you want to share 1 /home for two distros on dual boot?
[05:05] <sogepp> yes
[05:05] <sogepp> can i do that?
[05:06] <stlsaint> yes it is possible but i dont do it so i dont offer support on it (though its nothing i suggest to beginner users)
[05:07] <sebikul> sogepp, it is possible, but not even close to be safe to do so. configuration files may be different, but names may crash. that will give you a lot of trouble
[05:07] <sogepp> i see
[05:08] <sogepp> so, if i have 50gb of hd left, and want make it 2 distro, can u suggest how do i separate it ?
[05:08] <sogepp> FYI, i have win7 installed on my notebook
[05:09] <sogepp> :)
[05:09] <sebikul> sogepp, you can do <2 partitions (if you want to have separate mount points for some system folders) and create symbolic links from one home folder to another
[05:09] <stlsaint> sogepp: you are wanting to triple boot?
[05:09] <sogepp> yes, triple boot
[05:09] <sebikul> sogepp, that way you only store the files you want only once, and you can access it from both os
[05:10] <sogepp> sebikul : symbolic links? can you explain it ?
[05:10] <sogepp> is it wrong stlsaint?
[05:11] <stlsaint> sogepp: how many partitions do you currently have on the drive?
[05:12] <stlsaint> sebikul: symbolic links for cross folders when only one is booted at a time?
[05:12] <sebikul> sogepp, it is possible, you just have to mount the partition
[05:12] <stlsaint> hrm, i may be wrong but i doubt symbolic links work with cross folders in that manner
[05:13] <sogepp> 3, for win partition, and 3 (allocated) for linux :)
[05:13] <stlsaint> sogepp: i suggest you make a "data" partition that holds your music, movies, pics, files etc etc then use fstab to mount that partition in both installs
[05:13] <stlsaint> sogepp: it is impossible to have 6 partitions unless you are talking logical
[05:14] <sogepp> yep, ia have 2 primary and the rest is logical
[05:14] <sebikul> sogepp, what stlsaint said is the safest thing you can do
[05:14] <sebikul> and simplest
[05:15] <sogepp> so, i should make data partition on windows format, i guest
[05:16] <stlsaint> sogepp: how much space do you have to work with?
[05:16] <sogepp> 300gb
[05:16] <stlsaint> how much is used by windows?
[05:17] <sogepp> well, about 250 i guess
[05:17] <sogepp> 50 for the system
[05:18] <stlsaint> sogepp: what two linux distros are you wanting to add?
[05:18] <sogepp> ubuntu, and slackware
[05:18] <bioterror> i think slack is for more advanced users
[05:19] <bioterror> just my 2 cents
[05:19] <stlsaint> bioterror: YO
[05:19] <bioterror> carry on
[05:19] <bioterror> hi stl
[05:20] <sogepp> well, i have no problem installing slackware :)
[05:20] <sogepp> on vbox :p
[05:20] <stlsaint> sogepp: alright well really i would not suggest a dual boot with seperate partitions with only the use of 50gb
[05:20] <bioterror> ofcourse youre not
[05:20] <firewall_03> lol
[05:20] <sogepp> can you explain, why?
[05:21] <bioterror> stl, he could use the same swap partition
[05:21] <stlsaint> bioterror: of course, that is not my concern
[05:22] <stlsaint> sogepp: as long as you dont go wanting seperate /home partitions for both distros you will be fine with making the seperate /data partition and just mounting in fstab
[05:22] <sogepp> ohoohoh, ok, roger that
[05:22] <bioterror> but my vision is that if someone cant figure out partitions for distros, i cant suggest to use slack
[05:23] <sogepp> hmm, i see
[05:23] <sogepp> well, just pray for me bioterror :)
[05:24] <firewall_03> sogepp: Godspeed myfriend, and backup :D
[05:24] <bioterror> well, i wish you a nice time with neverending distrohopping
[05:24] <stlsaint> sogepp: on a different note i do agree with bioterror in saying that slackware is not really meant for new users
[05:24] <sogepp> muahahahah, hope so
[05:25] <bioterror> a nice way to get used to slackware is to try something like salix os
[05:25] <sogepp> yep, i knew that
[05:25] <bioterror> theyre helpful guys
[05:25] <sogepp> salix?
[05:25] <bioterror> salix is a variant of slack
[05:26] <bioterror> developers are ex-zenos devs
[05:26] <bioterror> or zen linux
[05:26] <bioterror> zenwalk
[05:26] <bioterror> that was it
[05:27] <sogepp> can't acces the webpages salixos.org , right?
[05:27] <bioterror> should be
[05:27] <stlsaint> works for me
[05:28] <stlsaint> just wait for the redirect
[05:28] <bioterror> stl, they even have a lxde version too
[05:28] <sogepp> geez, have to be patient with edge connection :)
[05:28] <bioterror> but the package collectionis small
[05:29] <stlsaint> bioterror: the fluxbox version caught my eye ;)
[05:29] <bioterror> stl, that wallpaper is pure eyecandy
[05:29] <sogepp> can't access it,
[05:30] <bioterror> im enjoying 3G and hdspa in train
[05:30] <sogepp> nice
[05:31] <stlsaint> bioterror: pffttt....get with the times!! 4G is out :P
[05:31] <sogepp> but, seems there's no people who use salix near my place :)
[05:31] <sogepp> 4G?
[05:32] <sogepp> can u gimme the article? link?
[05:32] <stlsaint> youve never heard of 4G speeds?
[05:32] <sogepp> nope
[05:32] <stlsaint> oh dear smh
[05:32] <sogepp> hwhwh, sorry
[05:32] <stlsaint> its just connection speeds/coverage of phones
[05:33] <sogepp> i knew bout that, it just how fast it is?
[05:33] <sogepp> woops
[05:33] <bioterror> hoo
[05:33] <bioterror> that site worked for me
[05:34] <sogepp> geez, what's wrong with my connection
[05:35] <stlsaint> sogepp: is there a specific reason you want slack?
[05:36] <sogepp> just trying something new,,,
[05:36] <bioterror> even i am loosing my mind with arch
[05:36] <bioterror> :D
[05:36] <sogepp> i don't think there are much difference on it
[05:36] <sogepp> :p
[05:36] <stlsaint> bioterror: arch is one of those things that you really really want to get with but its just entirely too much work for me
[05:37] <bioterror> yeah
[05:37] <sogepp> arch is much more hard than slack, isn't it?
[05:37] <bioterror> ive got problems with mounting usb drives on boot
[05:37] <stlsaint> sogepp: YES
[05:37] <sogepp> how about gentoo
[05:37] <sogepp> :0
[05:37] <stlsaint> bioterror: i HAD problems, until gparted made them all go away! lol
[05:38] <bioterror> haha
[05:38] <nit-wit> bioterror, you know the per-session boot trick eh
[05:38] <bioterror> hmm
[05:39] <bioterror> gotta read moar!
[05:39] <sogepp> moar?
[05:39] <nit-wit> bioterror, I like Dostoevsky
[05:39] <stlsaint> sogepp: its the lingo of the hip people ;)
[05:40] <stlsaint> sogepp: you have tried gentoo?
[05:40] <sogepp> not yet
[05:40] <sogepp> wew, i just saw some one who use it
[05:40] <stlsaint> yea alot of people like gentoo
[05:41] <sogepp> damn, he told me that takes 2 weeks just for installing an application
[05:41] <stlsaint> again i just am way to busy to actually sit down and dedicate the time needed for it
[05:41] <sogepp> *2 weeks or so :p
[05:41] <bioterror> no it doesnnt
[05:41] <sogepp> what is hip people?
[05:41] <bioterror> ive used freebsd alot
[05:41] <stlsaint> we are ;)
[05:42] <sogepp> and why did you call your self 'hip' , any reason?
[05:42] <bioterror> and compiling with decent hw isnt much slower than installing a binary package
[05:42] <stlsaint> sogepp: nvrm
[05:42] <sogepp> nvrm?
[05:42] <bioterror> its hip to be square
[05:43] <stlsaint> sogepp: nvrm == nevermind
[05:43] <sogepp> hwhwhwh
[05:43] <sogepp> hip , huh?
[05:43] <bioterror> stl is ahipster
[05:43] <stlsaint> yep yep
[05:43] <sogepp> ok, i got it, i guess
[05:44] <bioterror> macbooks, fixies, tattoos, underground music and everykind of newage filthh he has
[05:44] <stlsaint> bioterror: how do i add more desktops
[05:44] <bioterror> stl, where?
[05:44] <bioterror> what
[05:44] <stlsaint> lubuntu
[05:44] <bioterror> ahhh
[05:44] <bioterror> preferences had it
[05:44] <firewall_03> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ?
[05:45] <bioterror> check from menu
[05:45] <stlsaint> firewall_03: not the desktop environment
[05:45] <bioterror> cant remember tbqh the exact place
[05:45] <stlsaint> aye, kk
[05:45] <firewall_03> stlsaint:  Im a n00b
[05:45] <stlsaint> firewall_03: :D
[05:45] <bioterror> ive slept like 3h :D
[05:45] <stlsaint> firewall_03: nice try though ;)
[05:45] <firewall_03> A for effort
[05:46] <bioterror> stl, u now us lubunteers
[05:46] <bioterror> we sleep way too less
[05:46] <stlsaint> yep
[05:46] <sogepp> what's that :p
[05:46] <bioterror> hahaha this train is stuck
[05:46] <bioterror> we are waiting something
[05:47] <stlsaint> bioterror: hey its under the openbox configuration menu
[05:47] <bioterror> yeah
[05:47] <stlsaint> awesome
[05:47] <stlsaint> that has been bugging me
[05:47] <bioterror> gotta memorize that
[05:47] <sogepp> guys, my xubuntu often hang or restart by it self.. but fine when i use windows
[05:47] <nit-wit> argh cut me self off damn parrot
[05:48] <bioterror> stl, have u tweaked that lubuntu-rc.xml?
[05:48] <bioterror> it can be added from there
[05:48] <stlsaint> bioterror: dude this is just pissing me off
[05:48] <sogepp> actually, it always hard when using linux on my old pc
[05:48] <bioterror> stl, what is this time?
[05:49] <stlsaint> while typing my right hand will just brush my touchpad and will somehow close my  terminal
[05:49] <stlsaint> thus closing irc
[05:49] <bioterror> use screen?
[05:49] <stlsaint> bioterror: no
[05:49] <bioterror> oh yeah
[05:49] <stlsaint> irssi
[05:49] <bioterror> screen irssi
[05:50] <bioterror> screen is awesome
[05:50] <bioterror> dont u know?
[05:50] <stlsaint> bioterror: pfftt who you telling
[05:50] <firewall_03> what is irssi?
[05:50] <bioterror> irssi is a finnish irc client
[05:50] <bioterror> :D
[05:50] <stlsaint> i still remember my terminator days with multiple ssh windows lol
[05:51] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: i don't know if this would help in your situation, but sometimes i've found "Touchfreeze" can help stop some symptoms.
[05:52] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: what is touchfreeze?
[05:53] <nUboon2Age> http://code.google.com/p/touchfreeze/ stlsaint
[05:53] <nUboon2Age> sogepp:
[05:53] <sogepp> yes?
[05:53] <nUboon2Age> is that a wubi install?
[05:53] <nUboon2Age> sogepp: ^^^
[05:53] <sogepp> nope, dual boot with win
[05:54] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: TouchFreeze is simple utility for Windows NT/2000/XP
[05:54] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: no its for Linux too
[05:55] <stlsaint> the downloader is a msi...
[05:55] <firewall_03> right...
[05:55] <sogepp> it said for windows, "Like syndaemon on x-windows."
[05:56] <nUboon2Age> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/touchfreeze-tray-icon-that-disables-your-touchpad-while-typing.html#more-2921 stlsaint
[05:56] <stlsaint> aye, a different linky ;)
[05:56] <nUboon2Age> sogepp: are you talking about your prob (or stlsaint's)?
[05:58] <sogepp> about stlsaint, :p
[05:58] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: nope, not available package :(
[05:59] <stlsaint> well im tucking it in folks
[05:59] <stlsaint> ttyt
[05:59] <stlsaint> l8er folks
[06:02] <nUboon2Age> he went so quick i didn't get a chance to ask him if he's running Lucid or Maverick.  It doesn't seem to be avail for Maverick (yet)
[06:03] <nUboon2Age> sogepp: so back to your thing.  when does it do this hang/restart thingy
[06:06] <sogepp> well, if i left my pc long enough, than it come :)
[06:08] <sogepp> i have the prob since i use ubuntu, i thought that my pc too old for ubuntu,
[06:09] <sogepp> and i still has the problem with xubuntu, i wonder if there something wrong with the ram, but it working fine with wind xp
[06:30] <nUboon2Age> have you tried Lubuntu sogepp?
[06:31] <sogepp> not yet, is it lighter than xubuntu?
[06:31] <sogepp> nUboon2Age
[06:32] <nUboon2Age> yes its lighter than xubuntu.  xubuntu originally was supposed to be light, but its not light anymore. sogepp
[06:32] <sogepp> really, why's that?
[06:33] <nUboon2Age> it just developed into something that is not that light.  being light is not really the focus of the development for xubuntu it turns out. :/
[06:34] <sogepp> owch
[06:34] <nUboon2Age> i've seen some benchmarks.  its not much different from Ubuntu
[06:35] <sogepp> actually, i have download lubuntu iso, but seems it failed, the md5 has different code,
[06:35] <sogepp> geez, but they said lubuntu isn't part of canonical project, isn't
[06:35] <nUboon2Age> btw, there's both an #lubuntu and a #xubuntu irc support channels.
[06:35] <nUboon2Age> its not officially yet but will be soon sogepp
[06:35] <nUboon2Age> lubuntu is solid
[06:36] <sogepp> really?
[06:36] <nUboon2Age> really
[06:36] <nUboon2Age> phillw is a big fan if i recall correctly sogepp
[06:36] <sogepp> so canonical will add it into their list
[06:36] <nUboon2Age> yes
[06:36] <sogepp> phillw ?
[06:37] <sogepp> i see that name here ,
[06:37] <nUboon2Age> it was supposed to be added already, but its been delayed.  it will be soon i think.
[06:37] <nUboon2Age> yes.  he's really very helpful.
[06:38] <nUboon2Age> i started on Linux with Xubuntu (Jaunty and Karmic) before switching to Ubuntu for 10.04 Lucid
[06:39] <nUboon2Age> i wish i'd found out about Lubuntu.  those versions of Xubuntu weren't very good.
[06:39] <sogepp> so who does developing the lubuntu now
[06:39] <nUboon2Age> its an international volunteer team.
[06:40] <nUboon2Age> i heard several podcasts about it.  very impressive effort.
[06:40] <sogepp> how bout the packages, ?
[06:41] <nUboon2Age> i'm not clear on what your question is sogepp
[06:41] <sogepp> rrr, wait, i'm thinking on it :)
[06:42] <sogepp> can we use the same repositories as ubuntu, or they had their own
[06:42] <nUboon2Age> i get the impression that someone wanted Xubuntu to be light, but the actual developers don't focus that much on being light, but just on XFCE
[06:43] <sogepp> well, because it's little hard to find fast connection here, so i depends on local repositories address, do you get what i'm talking :p
[06:44] <nUboon2Age> one thing you can do sogepp is to simply use Synaptic to load "lubuntu-desktop".
[06:44] <sogepp> so, i can install it from ubuntu ? or xubuntu?
[06:45] <nUboon2Age> that will show you what the desktop looks like.  then you can choose whether you want the Lubuntu or Xubuntu (or whatever *buntu you want) when you log on
[06:46] <nUboon2Age> yes, you can install it from *buntu
[06:46] <sogepp> ok, i get it
[06:47] <sogepp> i'm looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/lubuntu
[06:47] <sogepp> seems it already part of canonical project right now
[06:47] <nUboon2Age> good!
[06:48] <sogepp> worth to try
[06:48] <sogepp> but, ubuntu really getting hard for old pc right now
[06:49] <nUboon2Age> yeah, i was running Xubuntu on 238M of RAM.  it was okay, not great.
[06:50] <sogepp> what ? but i have 1gb of ram, but it's way too slow for me
[06:51] <CensoredBiscuit> sogepp, nuboon2age, processor speed could change a lot of things
[06:51] <hobgoblin> if xubuntu is slow with 1Gb ram I would suggest you've other issues
[06:51] <nUboon2Age> CensoredBiscuit: good point
[06:52] <sogepp> how i know my problem?
[06:52] <sogepp> how i check it?
[06:52] <CensoredBiscuit> take a look at your machines specs first
[06:52] <CensoredBiscuit> do you prehaps have ze box?
[06:52] <sogepp> it's pentium 4 with 1gb of RAm, 160gb of HDD
[06:53] <sogepp> ze box, what?
[06:53] <sogepp> :)
[06:53] <CensoredBiscuit> ze box your machine came in xD
[06:53] <sogepp> rrrr, i'm afraid not
[06:54] <CensoredBiscuit> but you seem to know the specs
[06:54] <CensoredBiscuit> either way its 1 am and I work tommorrow
[06:54] <sogepp> yes, i have it for few years :p
[06:54] <sogepp> owh, isee
[06:54] <sogepp> it's 1 pm here :p
[06:55] <nUboon2Age> sogepp: the distro called 'puppy' is also good for old machines
[06:55] <sogepp> yep, i already has it on my usb drive, but i don't think it suitable for my sister,
[06:56] <nUboon2Age> also Peppermint sogepp
[06:56] <sogepp> FYI, my sister use the pc right now
[06:56] <nUboon2Age> jollicloud possibly too sogepp
[06:56] <sogepp> jollicloud? you sure?
[06:57] <sogepp> so both of them based on cloud, right?
[06:58] <bioterror> hi
[06:58] <bioterror> at the office now :D
[06:59] <hobgoblin> sogepp: there are other xfce variants out there - not just xubuntu - I suspect they would be fine as would a lxde variant
[07:13] <sogepp> ok, i'll see if i can try those choice later, for now i thing i'll prefer lubuntu
[07:13] <bioterror> oh, good choise :D
[07:14] <hobgoblin> bioterror: you surprise me ;)
[07:14] <bioterror> hobgoblin, how?
[07:17] <sogepp> hey, what's the different betwen #ubuntu and #ubuntu-beginners
[07:18] <bioterror> we have more knowledge, ofkooz ;D
[07:18] <sogepp> wew, sure bout that? :)
[07:18] <hobgoblin> sogepp: you'll get help in both - but it is less frenetic in here
[07:19] <hobgoblin> on the other hand at times you'll get no takers in here as it is a lot smaller
[07:19] <bioterror> sogepp, well, for example: you dont see me at the #ubuntu :D
[07:19] <sogepp> guess so, and 'lighter'
[07:20] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: because you're never there. :D
[07:20] <bioterror> haha
[07:20] <sogepp> :D what makes that important bioterror? LOL
[07:25] <sogepp> so quite, suddenly
[07:25] <sogepp> *brrrr
[07:31] <bioterror> oh yeah
[07:31] <bioterror> sogepp, this channel is mainly for support, we have #ubuntu-beginners-team for offtopic chats ;)
[07:32] <hobgoblin> and here for when it is quiet ...
[07:32] <hobgoblin> not many left who remember this as being the team channel :(
[07:35] <sogepp> so basically this channel just for off-topic topic?
[07:37] <JoeMaverickSett> sogepp: please read this channel's topic, it's a support channel, #ubuntu-beginners-team is for offtopic/the team's discussion room.
[07:38] <sogepp> oops, kay
[07:40] <hobgoblin> as I said sogepp - when there's not any support going on people will talk offtopic ;)
[07:40] <sogepp> ok, i have another question,
[07:41] <hobgoblin> then ask it ...
[07:41] <sogepp> what would you do if, possibly, the newest kernel didn't recognize your hardware
[07:42] <sogepp> yet
[07:42] <sogepp> ;)
[07:44] <hobgoblin> boot with the older one
[07:45] <sogepp> i mean, there are no support for your hardware yet,
[07:45] <sogepp> if the newest didn't work, then does the older one right?
[07:46] <hobgoblin> oic
[07:46] <bioterror> well
[07:47] <hobgoblin> not necessarily so - then I'd scratch my head and be pleased that finally after all these years I've not built a frankenstein machine from odds and sods
[07:47] <sogepp> come on~
[07:49] <hobgoblin> no idea sogepp - not something I've ever needed to worry about
[07:49] <bioterror> well
[07:49] <sogepp> yeah, it's rare to happen nowdays
[07:49] <bioterror> ditch that computer and get another one
[07:49] <sogepp> well, bioterror
[07:50] <bioterror> do you have that kind of situation?
[07:50] <sogepp> how if that computer is the newest version and something you really want
[07:50] <sogepp> not really,
[07:50] <bioterror> sogepp, then use that Windows 7
[07:50] <sogepp> just in case,
[07:50] <sogepp> maybe someday i'll find the problem
[07:51] <bioterror> I've dealt only with hardware support problems, like KMS stuff and so on
[07:51] <sogepp> even win7 has the limit
[07:51] <bioterror> like "oh, my laptop doesnt return from suspend anymore, thanks alot"
[07:51] <bioterror> and stuff like that
[07:51] <bioterror> I happend to use alot 2nd hand computer
[07:51] <bioterror> I rarely buy a new one
[07:51] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, somebody heeds the frankenputer nick
[07:51] <nit-wit> *needs
[07:52] <hobgoblin> if frankenputer was a myth I'd snap it up :p
[07:52] <sogepp> if we use windows, there possibility that the hardware already has the driver, they prepare for it right
[07:52] <hobgoblin> usually - but that's not always been the case in the past
[07:52] <sogepp> but if it's about linux, well, we know that the developer mostly work on volunteer
[08:53] <BiDDo> Hi All
[08:53] <BiDDo> Looking for some advice about trying out ubuntu
[08:54] <BiDDo> anyone keen to give there advice
[08:54] <bioterror> !ask | BiDDo
[08:54] <ubot2> BiDDo: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[08:56] <BiDDo> is anyone out there
[08:58] <bioterror> BiDDo, ask your question please
[08:59] <bioterror> I'm going to help two ladies in here work and then I'll come back
[08:59] <BiDDo> thanks
[08:59] <bioterror> and I hope you've told us what's in your mind
[08:59] <BiDDo> its sort of a convoluted question
[08:59] <bioterror> irc takes sometimes a little time
[08:59] <BiDDo> kk
[08:59] <bioterror> but tell us
[08:59] <bioterror> we are here to help
[08:59] <BiDDo> ok
[08:59] <bioterror> even tho we dont get paid :D
[08:59] <BiDDo> i will do a big long question for you and wait
[09:00] <bioterror> yes
[09:00] <bioterror> good ;)
[09:00] <BiDDo> ok so basically I have become fascinated with the whole ubuntu linux thing and would really like to trial it out without going the whole hog...
[09:03] <BiDDo> What would you all recommend I do?  I am of the understanding that my games have to be played on a windows OS and thus will need to have a dual boot system.  I have never done this before but understand the gist i think.  So at current I have a spare 320gb HDD that isnt used will i be able to use this an ubuntu boot and leave my current install on my other drive as is???
[09:04] <BiDDo> Secondly am I going to run into any issues using ubuntu to dl and stream to my ps3???
[09:06] <BiDDo> And third I understand that there are a number of different versions of said linux which is beast for noobs and is there any recources you could suggest to review the whole idea???
[09:09] <BiDDo> Oh and forth,  32bit or 64bit???
[09:18] <JoeMaverickSett> !dualboot | BiDDo
[09:18] <ubot2> BiDDo: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[09:18] <BiDDo> 32 or 64 bit??
[09:18] <JoeMaverickSett> BiDDo: does your RAM exceeds more than 4GB? or is your computer a 64bit computer? if so 64bit.
[09:20] <BiDDo> I have a 64bit cpu and more ram just that the ubuntu dl suggests 32 bit
[09:20] <JoeMaverickSett> BiDDo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[09:20] <hobgoblin> BiDDo: take no notice of the ubuntu d/l suggestion
[09:21] <BiDDo> sorrry?
[09:21] <hobgoblin> there were lots of issues at one point, now not so much - just go for the 64bit
[09:21] <JoeMaverickSett> hobgoblin: :D
[09:22] <BiDDo> kk
[09:22] <hobgoblin> BiDDo: if you go looking in the recurrung dicussions part of the forum you will see a lot of threads about this suggestion :)
[09:22] <BiDDo> ok
[09:22] <bioterror> ahh hobgoblin, you were here ;)
[09:22] <bioterror> BiDDo, best way to start is with vanilla ubuntu
[09:22] <hobgoblin> BiDDo: at one point there was a seperate forum for 64bit issues - it's been closed now
[09:23] <hobgoblin> bioterror: I was in and out
[09:23] <BiDDo> ok i understand
[09:23] <BiDDo> dev issues i gues??
[09:23] <bioterror> BiDDo, but if you were like me and my dear pal hobgoblin, you would install just ubuntu and play with PS3, except tetrinet on ubuntu against us
[09:23] <yuler> I cannot multi-boot to XP from system with GRUB2, but can boot to it from a CD with  GRUB.  Read multi websites on subject, but not familiar with GRUB/2 language and about to step through it.  If anyone is familiar with GRUB/2 language and can help, please see http://pastebin.com/n99LGDBg
[09:23] <BiDDo> sorry i missed that
[09:25] <BiDDo> does ubuntu have a media server app that will allow me to stream to my ps3 like wmp allows me to do?
[09:25] <bioterror> BiDDo, ofcourse
[09:26] <bioterror> BiDDo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer
[09:27] <BiDDo> sorry I am not familiar with it at all have always been to scared but am trying to venture out of the darkness of MICROSOFT >(
[09:29] <BiDDo> Also probably a simple issue...  Dual booting is only technichally dual is the two OS' are on the one HDD right.  Or can I install Ubuntu on my spare drive but have it boot like normal after choosing
[09:30] <hobgoblin> dual boot will work however you set it up - I had many different OS's on partitions and drives at one point
[09:30] <bioterror> what ever you want
[09:30] <bioterror> my worklaptop has a dual boot on one hdd
[09:30] <bioterror> you just need to have that grub2 on a correct drive which boots first
[09:31] <bioterror> as GRUB is in MBR and windows's own chainloader starts after it
[09:50] <BiDDo> ok so that link about dual booting still applies?? I am reading it now and its telling me to re size my hdd to make space for ubuntu but I shouldnt have to do that right as I have a whole emptyand formated drive free?
[09:54] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[09:55] <BiDDo> hi
[09:55] <Silver_Fox_> Hello BiDDo
[09:55] <Deut316> Hi. Playing around a bit much and have lost all sound. Any help?
[09:55] <BiDDo> I am noob and require advice
[09:55] <Silver_Fox_> Deut316,  What were you "playing" with?
[09:56] <Silver_Fox_> BiDDo,  What do you require advice about
[09:56] <BiDDo> what the best way to get into ubuntu is?
[09:56] <Deut316> :). Was trying to get mic to work for google chat/ skype... took off alsa mixer and some other things and now have no sound
[09:57] <Deut316> the sound bar moves but I have no sound
[09:57] <yofel> BiDDo: if you have an empty drive use that for installation, the guide assumes you don't have one
[09:58] <Silver_Fox_> Do you mean understanding how the os works or just general use - BiDDo
[09:58] <BiDDo> yofel that is my confussion i think
[09:58] <Deut316> How can I find out if I still have the right sound driver installed
[09:59] <yofel> BiDDo: maybe you'll have to select manual partitioning during installation, not sure how the installer behaves in that case
[09:59] <BiDDo> Silver fox: I would like to know a little more about the difference/pros/cons of the OS and also the best way to install and experiment with my current setup.
[10:02] <Deut316> Can anyone tell me what file to install ubuntu sound drivers?
[10:04] <BiDDo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting this may help you out im not even in the os yet but
[10:04] <yofel> Deut316: the drivers are usually part of the kernel, I would usually recommend checking it's not muted with alsamixer... or maybe check the pulseaudio log (not sure where that is)
[10:06] <Deut316> Yofel: I may have deleted the kernel drivers:(
[10:07] <BiDDo> I always run when I see kernel lol
[10:07] <yofel> unless you removed the kernel package or manually deleted stuff in /lib/modules, that's unlikely
[10:09] <Deut316> I can't find the alsa mixer. Does it go by another name?
[10:10] <bioterror> alsamixer
[10:11] <Deut316> presently I'm using pulseaudia sound... any difference?
[10:11] <Deut316> there is also gnome alsamixer?
[10:11] <yofel> pulseaudio is a sound mixer, alsa still handles sound output
[10:11] <yofel> ... on hardware
[10:12] <Deut316> How do I check the asla settings as I don't seem to have the installed program
[10:15] <Deut316> It's crazy... I see the sound bar moving on various 'mixers' but no sound. there doesn't seem to be a stand alone alsamixer in synaptic
[10:16] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: have you also checked in Sound Preferences that you've chosen the correct hardware?
[10:16] <BiDDo> So is the general conscesus t just DL ubuntu 64bit then go through the install and select my spare drive as the install location
[10:19] <Deut316> Joe: yup. even in sound preference the sound bar is moving
[10:20] <BiDDo> If I burn a DVD instead of a CD thats fine right?
[10:21] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: how about the output tab > then the hardare stuff? is it using the right hardware? sometimes that might be the problem, in my experience.
[10:24] <Deut316> Joe: Well changed to Analog driver and it works. Previously it did work on digital stereo driver. never the less... I have sound back
[10:26] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: for skype, you might want to try going to Options and test the sound/mic and webcam
[10:26] <Deut316> will do... skypes down at the moment... I'll check on google chat instead
[10:27] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: ah, give it a try later. i can't really point you though as it's down. :)
[10:28] <Deut316> What happened now in google chat (and skype) is that mic works and then settings adjust themselves so they don't pick up sound. How do I fix my sound settings so they don't readjust themself?
[10:29] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: ah, it's Options > Sound Devices for skype.
[10:30] <Deut316> Thanks. will check later
[10:30] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: try the mic input in sound preferences also. good luck
[10:30] <BiDDo> I can DL the install iso and burn to a dvd right
[10:31] <JoeMaverickSett> BiDDo: yes, i believe so. but tbhq i've only tried CDs. :)
[10:32] <BiDDo> guess if it doesnt work I find cds
[10:33] <JoeMaverickSett> BiDDo: always check the md5sum of the downloaded iso, burn the iso at a slower speed.
[10:33] <JoeMaverickSett> !md5sum | BiDDo
[10:33] <ubot2> BiDDo: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[10:33] <Deut316> Joe, when I work with pulseaudio input settings they continually reset themselves. How can I set the settings that they don't change within pulseaudio?
[10:34] <BiDDo> thanks bot
[10:35] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: eh, sorry, i don't know. :| i just make sure it doesn't happen by manually resetting it if it doesn't seem right to me.
[10:36] <JoeMaverickSett> Deut316: and to hilight nick names type Joe then press <tab key> ;)
[10:36] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett,
[10:36] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: ah, there you go. :)
[10:36] <Deut316> I keep setting it, and in a matter of seconds it resets itself. I can't adjust the settings ever time I  use skype or some other program.... I don't know what is causing to reset?
[10:36] <bioterror> nice!
[10:36] <Deut316> thanks for your help Joe
[10:37] <BiDDo> boi
[10:37] <BiDDo> bioterror:
[10:40] <bioterror> :D
[12:39] <yax51> ok, so I just downloaded a program, and the installation file is in a .bin format
[12:39] <yax51> any help on how to run it?
[12:39] <hobgoblin> ./filename
[12:39] <hobgoblin> probably
[12:40] <yax51> ?
[12:40] <hobgoblin> you might need to make it executable - right click the thing and check in the permissions tab
[12:40] <hobgoblin> yax51: in a terminal - change to the directory it is in and ./filename
[12:41] <yax51> aaah gotcha thanks!
[12:41] <hobgoblin> welcome
[12:42] <yax51> permission denied
[12:43] <yax51> ok nevermind
[12:43] <hobgoblin> sudo ./filename
[12:43] <yax51> thanks
[12:43] <hobgoblin> what is it anyway?
[12:43] <yax51> savage 2
[12:43] <hobgoblin> game I guess then ;)
[14:51] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[14:51] <kristian-aalborg> didya see that Assange has written two things that are in repos... strobe and SurfRaw?
[14:58] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[14:58] <hobgoblin> hi kosaidpo
[14:58] <kosaidpo> anynoe know how to turn a xls file to csv one with genumeic
[14:59] <kosaidpo> Gnumeric*
[14:59] <hobgoblin> kristian-aalborg: not quite sure why you bothered
[14:59] <hobgoblin> to say that :)
[14:59] <kristian-aalborg> I was just quite surprised
[15:00] <kristian-aalborg> surfraw seems like a cool program, although it might be a bit hard to use
[15:04] <kristian-aalborg> hobgoblin: was I the last person to notice? ;)
[15:04] <hobgoblin> no idea kristian-aalborg :)
[15:05] <hobgoblin> kosaidpo: you can save as a csv in gnumeric
[15:05] <kristian-aalborg> I find stuff like that interesting, it's not like I have some sort of agenda if that's what you think
[15:05] <kosaidpo> yeh i did but still not workin cus in the end iwanna cut some ow using the cmmand cut but its not workin
[15:05] <kosaidpo> hobgoblin: you see
[15:06] <hobgoblin> kristian-aalborg: no - that's not what I think :)
[15:07] <geirha> kosaidpo: How is it not working?
[15:07] <kristian-aalborg> good... if I had, I'd go elsewhere, no worries :)
[15:07] <hobgoblin> kosaidpo: cut and paste works ok here
[15:08] <kosaidpo> geirha: i save it as csv then cut it with that CUT cmmd and igo to see the file where redirect all the thing i cant open it with gedit
[15:08] <geirha> kosaidpo: Did you redirect to the same file you were reading from?
[15:08] <kosaidpo> noo new file
[15:09] <geirha> Ok, and gedit can't open the file? What error does it give?
[15:10] <kosaidpo> geirha: this [ gedit has not been able to detect the character encoding.
[15:10] <kosaidpo> Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
[15:10] <kosaidpo> Select a character encoding from the menu and try again.]
[15:12] <geirha> kosaidpo: The file command might figure out its encoding.  ''file thefile''
[15:13] <kosaidpo> geirha: i didnt get you
[15:13] <stlsaint> sup folks
[15:13] <geirha> kosaidpo: Would be easiest if you just saved the csv file with utf-8 encoding in the first place ... or whatever encoding you use by default.
[15:14] <kosaidpo> geirha: i guess it does  but idk whats eally the issue is
[15:14] <kosaidpo> let me try this but from where ican change the encode in gnumeric ?? geirha
[15:15] <geirha> kosaidpo: I don't know, I've never used gnumeric, but I'd expect it to be able to.
[15:16] <geirha> You're not familiar with the file command, is that what you meant by "i didnt get you"? If you aren't astranged to reading man-pages, look at its man-page:  ''man file''
[15:18] <kosaidpo> geirha: im not realy that good but i kno things and i tried genumeric via console but nething helps
[15:19] <kosaidpo> geirha: thanks ill go pray now brb please
[16:00] <fatharrahman> Hi udienz
[16:00] <fatharrahman> Hi yofel
[16:00] <fatharrahman> Hi UndiFineD
[16:00] <UndiFineD> hello
[16:02] <fatharrahman> why is the ch so crowded today ? what's going on?
[16:02] <UndiFineD> vacation time
[16:02] <fatharrahman> cool
[16:21] <stlsaint> also this is not the offtopic channel
[16:22] <stlsaint> this is used primarily for support
[18:12] <murk00> I am looking for a little help installing Unbuntu
[18:13] <murk00> Having some problems that I cant get passed
[18:21] <wulfric> need help with .chm files Thanks
[18:22] <genupulas> wulfric: what ?
[18:22] <aveilleux> wulfric, *.chm files are Windows Help files. What do you need to open them for?
[18:22] <wulfric> genupulas: need chm reader with annotation functionality
[18:22] <wulfric> many ebooks come in chm
[18:23] <wulfric> tried chm2pdf but it messses up format big time
[18:23] <aveilleux> wulfric, Firefox can open chm files but not annotate them
[18:23] <genupulas> wulfric:  hmm chmviewer
[18:23] <aveilleux> wulfric, Have you tried xchm?
[18:23] <genupulas> xchm
[18:23] <wulfric> i tried ff extension
[18:24] <wulfric> xchm cannot annotate
[18:24] <genupulas> wulfric: just elaborate what u want
[18:24] <wulfric> i want highlight function atleast post-its would be nice too
[18:25] <wulfric> as in pdfs
[18:25] <aveilleux> wulfric, Have you tried Okular?
[18:25] <wulfric> in opensuse okular reads chm
[18:25] <wulfric> not in ubuntu
[18:25] <wulfric> says no backend???
[18:25] <genupulas> okular for KDE
[18:25] <aveilleux> wulfric, You have to install libchm
[18:25] <genupulas> then try chmviewer
[18:25] <aveilleux> wulfric, It's not installed by default
[18:25] <wulfric> i have libchm and okular-extra -backends
[18:26] <wulfric> chmviewer and xchm do not annotate only okular does and not in ubuntu
[18:28] <wulfric> i found a launchpad bug which says ubuntu/kubuntu okular compiled w/o libchm backend because libchm in universe and okular in main
[18:28] <wulfric> so they cannot link against it
[18:30] <wulfric> So, my question is - Where is the universe Okular backends package wich adds libchm(and incidentally epub) support Thanx
[18:32] <wulfric> should i be asking this elsewhere?
[18:33] <wulfric> ok nevermind will try #okular maybe
[18:33] <wulfric> thanks anyway
[19:21] <BR> hello all
[19:22] <bioterror> lla olleh
[19:22] <bioterror> hi
[19:22] <bioterror> :D
[19:24] <hajour> hai BR
[19:25] <BR> hey hajour
[19:25] <BR> I think xen it one of the hardest programs I have tried to install yet
[19:25] <hajour> oof wrong chat i must in offtopic sorry
[19:27] <BR> ?
[19:40] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, install the ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:41] <grizzlyattack> I am.
[19:41] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, cool ths is a slower channel as well hard to follow on the#ubuntu channel
[19:42] <grizzlyattack> See, I don't understand. This wasn't an issue with older builds. I've been gone too long.
[19:43] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, so the mp3's are what are on many cd's anyway that is why it seems strange to me
[19:43] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, songs correct
[19:43] <grizzlyattack> yeah
[19:44] <grizzlyattack> Brasero tells me that the file is not suitable
[19:44] <geirha> Corrupt mp3 file?
[19:44] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, I use gnome baker brasero has had some stumbling blocks, are you updated and upgraded other wise
[19:45] <grizzlyattack> Yeah, I'm as current as I can be I think
[19:45] <grizzlyattack> the mp3's will play fine, just aren't burning
[19:46] <grizzlyattack> this is my mistake for going to Vista and then coming back, I should have kept up on all of this.
[19:46] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, did you enable universal and backport repos in software sources
[19:47] <grizzlyattack> I followed some online instructions so I have no idea what I've done to this thing.
[19:47] <aveilleux> grizzlyattack, What programs have you tried to burn them with?
[19:48] <aveilleux> grizzlyattack, I just got here, I apologize if you already answered that question
[19:48] <geirha> aptitude search '~i gstreamer.*plugins'  # Do you have the good, the bad and the ugly?
[19:48] <grizzlyattack> Brasero, and k3b, but k3b wouldn't let me fully install.
[19:49] <grizzlyattack> nit-wit, that finished installing btw
[19:49] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, cool
[19:49] <grizzlyattack> my biggest thing is, all the instructions for me problem are between 2-4 years old.
[19:49] <grizzlyattack> and are no longer working
[19:49] <grizzlyattack> my^
[19:50] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, install gnomebaker and try it if the restricted extras should have loaded the right stuff I think. You could try brasero again first probably
[19:51] <grizzlyattack> now that I did that, Brasero is actually letting me add in the mp3's
[19:52] <grizzlyattack> before it would kick them back out
[19:52] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, hopefully your set every installation the retricted extras have beeen needed I been using Ubuntu since Dapper needed them then as well
[19:53] <grizzlyattack> why is it wanting me to create an image file?
[19:53] <aveilleux> grizzlyattack, Have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AudioCDCreation ? It's a few years out of date, but Serpentine is still in the repos.
[19:53] <grizzlyattack> hadn't tried that yet
[19:54] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, is it a album
[19:54] <grizzlyattack> I just tried 1 mp3
[19:54] <grizzlyattack> for a test burn
[19:55] <geirha> grizzlyattack: Try burning from Rhythmbox
[19:55] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, are you opening brasero first you have a choce of data or images there
[19:55] <grizzlyattack> I open Brasero and pick Audio
[19:56] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, the image makes sense then it is burning it in a manner a cheap cd player can read
[19:56] <grizzlyattack> In Rhythmbox, It doesn't give me option to burn
[19:56] <geirha> Hm. No strike that. I seemed to remember you could burn from rhytmbox, but you can only rip.  There is a billion instructions out there and none are working for me.
[20:02] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, how are you going to play the cd's
[20:03] <grizzlyattack> a car cd player
[20:03] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, let me see IF I can get a better link newer for you
[20:04] <grizzlyattack> I don't understand why these old links even come up in google search. You'd think something newer would push them down.
[20:05] <grizzlyattack> I'm gonna give gnomebaker a try though
[20:07] <grizzlyattack> gnomebaker keeps saying burn failed
[20:08] <geirha> Oh, that sounds like an issue with the driver for the cdr
[20:09] <geirha> Or maybe the CD-R disc wasn't empty?
[20:09] <grizzlyattack> It's empty
[20:09] <grizzlyattack> It doesn't pop up when I put it in the drive though.
[20:09] <suprengr> ...or maybe burning @ too high a speed?
[20:09] <grizzlyattack> I tried at 4X
[20:10] <suprengr> k
[20:10] <grizzlyattack> just whatever the default settings are
[20:10] <grizzlyattack> normally when you insert media, a desktop icon should come up, correct?
[20:11] <BR> yeah
[20:11] <grizzlyattack> yeah, I'm getting no icon
[20:11] <BR> deoes for me
[20:11] <BR> then your driver isnt veing mounted
[20:11] <BR> being
[20:11] <grizzlyattack> I'm gonna restart and see what happens and then I will come back if it still isn't working.
[20:16] <grizzlyattack> Hey nit-wit, gnomebaker worked like a charm. It burned, the mp3 is showing up on the disk. Now I just need to test it in a cd player.
[20:18] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, I always use gnomebaker it is just more reliable for me
[20:19] <grizzlyattack> I wouldn't work in my home stereo but it's playing on the computer. I'll test the cd in my car later.
[20:19] <grizzlyattack> it^
[20:21] <nit-wit> grizzlyattack, when ever  have tried to burn a image disc for someone, I haven't gotten feedback as to it's final use, so I'm always realy just using my mp3 palyer pesonnaly never a cd player
[20:23] <grizzlyattack> I only need to make cd's for the two hour car ride
[20:24] <grizzlyattack> I think my problem is solved though, fingers are crossed.
[21:46] <frankymooo10> anyone can help me with installing ralink rt2870 driver?
[21:47] <frankymooo10> I managed to compile it but  nothing happens after modprobe-ing it.
[21:51] <BR> which one of these should I pick: PCI Backend Mode 1. Virtual PCI (XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND_VPCI) (NEW) 2. Passthrough (XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND_PASS) (NEW) 3. Slot (XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND_SLOT) (NEW)
[22:21] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[22:21] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, tjena;D
[22:21] <kristian-aalborg> anyone using grub2 and slitaz *and* a framebuffer? I can't get it to work?
[22:21] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: waiter?
[22:22] <bioterror> slitaz has nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:23] <kristian-aalborg> I know... but grub2 has
[22:23] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[22:34] <BR> does anyone know anything about installing xen 4.0
[22:34] <bioterror> hahaha
[22:34] <bioterror> how about server channel
[22:35] <BR> ?
[22:35] <bioterror> but since yelling at irc is so easy
[22:35] <bioterror> !xen | br
[22:35] <ubot2> br: XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[22:36] <BR> yeah Im on that url now
[22:36] <BR> and it has no help for where i am at
[22:39] <BR> I have three options to pick from virtual PCI, Passthrough, or Slot
[22:40] <BR> 2
[22:41] <pleia2> BR: my suggestion would be to use a distro that actually supports xen hypervisors so you don't need to compile your own kernel, Debian still supports it
[22:42] <pleia2> with Ubuntu you'll need to recompile your kernel for every security upgrade, and that can be tedious
[22:42] <BR> I just guessed its running so have to wait and see
[22:42] <BR> yeah
[22:43] <bioterror> pleia2, I chose debian
[22:44] <bioterror> pleia2, FreeBSD was also in my list when I got this virtual server
[22:44] <pleia2> debian is what I use for xen too
[22:44] <pleia2> but on hardware with virtualization I use kvm
[23:15] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/hVCMG8YL
[23:15] <kristian-aalborg> can someone spot the error(s) in this... it's my RESULTS.txt from the boot info script
[23:28] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/CZj3GyBi
[23:28] <kristian-aalborg> no hdX in my /dev dir - could this be to blame?
[23:32] <cenobyte40k> hey I installed windows 7 in a seperate partition and it eraced the MBR can someone help me get the dual boot working again? I tried running a 10.10 disk at startup in order to get a recovery option but the GUI isnt working correctly and all I could see was a install option
[23:36] <cenobyte40k> hey I installed windows 7 in a seperate partition and it eraced the MBR can someone help me get the dual boot working again? I tried running a 10.10 disk at startup in order to get a recovery option but the GUI isnt working correctly and all I could see was a install option
[23:36] <aveilleux> cenobyte40k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[23:51] <cenobyte40k> thanks alot
[23:52] <andrew_46> IAmNotThatGuy: hello :)
[23:54]  * andrew_46 trys to remember not to chat in the channel :)


[04:25] <Guest88214> wow, something really strange happened... my desktop become totally unresponsive.... even after reboot it did not change
[04:25] <Guest88214> I had now to mv .config to .config.old
[04:45] <BinaryStatus> Hey guys when I use the "hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass p /dev/sda" command on my ssd it completes in seconds. Is this normal? Figured it would take longer. I'm selling this laptop and don't want anybody to be able to recover stuff off my ssd. Advice?
[04:53] <BinaryStatus> Herro?
[06:06] <rdleader> Had my system crash a couple month ago held off on reinstalling kubuntu so that 15.04 could come out. downloaded the image and when I boot off the disk I get as far as the starting version 219 screen ctrl +alt+ F2 does nothing
[06:07] <rdleader> let it sit for a couple hours desktop never loaded I don't have an nvidia card I have an ati card
[06:19] <soee> good morning
[06:23] <trixp>
[08:20] <__shaun__> hi guys my bash has line wrapping issues ive looked everywhere, it wraps to the same line instead of to the next line below it, how do i resolve this?
[08:20] <__shaun__> my $PS1 is just $
[08:26] <hyper_ch> __shaun__: bash has line wrapping issues?
[08:40] <yossarianuk> hi - had a bit more success setting up georeplication - however even though the bricks were of equal size the slave ran out of space .
[08:40] <yossarianuk> do I deleted geo vol and both vols and restarted
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:38] <quad> per aggiornare il mio sistema operativo dove devo andare?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> !it | quad
[14:48] <noaXess> hey hey
[14:48] <noaXess> is it possible to disable kwallet for network-manager.. so when kde starts, that i don't need to enter my kwallet master pwd if network-manager does start a wlan connection?
[14:49] <noaXess> and other questsion.. in vivid, how to use wicd as default network management... ?
[15:53] <z4g47> hola tengo problemas con el sonido en kubuntu 15.04
[15:54] <soee_> !es
[16:30] <gorgonzola> hello peoples! I just finished installing kubuntu-desktop over a plain netboot installation of vivid, and Iḿ missing everything related to bluetooth in kde. Any ideas of where to begin looking for trouble? hcitool sees my adapter and hciscan works, but there is nothing related to bluedevil in my kde sesssion
[16:32] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, I have to ask if you've updated and upgraded after the inatallation?
[16:33] <gorgonzola> Now that you mention it, I may have not... Iĺl be back in a minute.
[16:34] <gorgonzola> I assumed that netboot installation would pull everything from the repos... let me see is that fixes it
[16:34] <gorgonzola> yup, everything up to date.
[16:36] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj, How can one determine if the kde part of the bluetooth stack is actually running? Is it a kded module?
[16:38] <Xinfe> Hi all
[16:39] <Xinfe> I believe I cleaned a bit too much much my system and my media keys are not changing the system volume anymore. Someone knows the package name responsible for that?
[16:39] <mparillo> Wasn't bluetooth held back from 5.3 (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/kde-plasma-5-3-released-heres-how-to-upgrade-in-kubuntu-15-04#comment-2022386324)?  Could that mean that it gets removed from current installations?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, yes Bluedevil is part od the KDE stack
[16:40] <BluesKaj> od=of
[16:41] <soee_> mparillo: yes due to bluez
[16:41] <gorgonzola> soee_ mparillo so no bluettoth in kde for now?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, it's called Bluedevil in KDE
[16:42] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj, wasup?
[16:42] <noaXess> where are all the tray icons from third party apps in plasma 5?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> hi noaXess
[16:43] <noaXess> do they need update their apps?
[16:43] <Xinfe_> To myself and anyone else: kmix is handling the sound, so problem fixed :)
[16:43] <Xinfe_> Have a nice day, bye
[16:44] <mparillo> noaXess: Short answer: Yes. Long answer: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[16:45] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj, yes, bluedevil is the kde bluetooth stack. Is it not available in kubuntu 15.04 yet? mparillo linked to a comment that said it was held back, but the 5.3 release notes for plasma say that we have a brand new bluetooth icon in bluedevil
[16:45] <gorgonzola> iḿ confused :(
[16:46] <gorgonzola> maprillo: i can confirm that bluedevil does not get removed from new viivd installations, but it doesn seem to work; it is completely invisible to plasma
[16:47] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, well I see it in muon as installed by default
[16:48] <noaXess> mparillo: thanks.. seams those libindicators and sni-qt is installed here.. seams that app developers need to recompile their stuff
[16:49] <soee_> https://trello.com/c/QaixHxvd/11-get-bluedevil-bluez5-support-released
[16:49] <noaXess> wowo and also Teamviwer.. or used wine.. it shows a wine system tray for Teamviewer
[16:51] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: yes, it gets installed by default, but it does not work.
[16:51] <gorgonzola> soee_ so... given that, how would one go about getting it to work?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, ok , there was a new kernel version  afew days ago , maybe a  dist-upgrade ?
[16:55] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: no, i just did a dist-upgrade like 5 minutes go. I think the links soee_ posted are on the right path... basically bluez and the whole bluetooth stack seems to be held back and being transitioned.
[16:56] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: Iḿ trying the versions from the transitions ppa to see if its that.
[16:57] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, ok
[17:05] <noaXess> does your Konsole also hangs in background and consuming cpu?
[17:05] <soee_> im using yakuake and works nice
[17:06] <soee_> noaXess: do you do anything special when it hangs ?
[17:06] <noaXess> no... just checked some packages installed... and then exit or close it with shortcut
[17:16] <noaXess> whats about time format settings? i set mine to switherland de_CH but it still shows us formated time and date
[17:16] <soee_> didyou reboot ?
[17:18] <noaXess> more then once ;)
[18:15] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/GqNknQdhrH6
[20:57] <chencho9000> HI THER
[20:57] <chencho9000> need help
[20:58] <valorie> hi chencho9000
[20:58] <valorie> please tell us how we can help you
[20:59] <chencho9000> got a hp pavillion but windows vista home premium (licensed) is broken
[20:59] <chencho9000> Im afraid I cant find a valid iso for windows vista
[21:01] <chencho9000> so Im thinking switch to kubuntu 10.04 LTS
[21:01] <chencho9000> will it work?
[21:02] <BluesKaj> chencho9000, 10.04 is a little old...what kind of specs does your pc have?
[21:02] <chencho9000> very poor
[21:02] <BluesKaj> did it come with vista installed when you bought it ?
[21:03] <chencho9000> yep but vista crashed
[21:03] <chencho9000> and I dont have a disc
[21:04] <chencho9000> and microsoft does not support vista anymore
[21:04] <OerHeks> :-( only 7 and 8 are legal downloads afaik
[21:04] <BluesKaj> no matter if the pc was new then it will run kubuntu , mine had vista on it when I bought it in 2008
[21:04] <chencho9000> I've tried a kubuntu live sesion and seem to work
[21:05] <chencho9000> it is a very old laptop
[21:05] <OerHeks> else try xubuntu, 1 ghrz 512mb
[21:05] <BluesKaj> can give us an idea about memory, cpu speed and disk space
[21:06] <chencho9000> 2gb ram
[21:07] <valorie> I run the current (vivid, 15.04) on a 6 year-old netbook and it's fine
[21:07] <valorie> but you can always use, say, 14.04 which is LTS
[21:07] <BluesKaj> kubuntu will run on 2G RAM
[21:07] <valorie> !lts
[21:08] <chencho9000> 1.67 GHz Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor
[21:08] <BluesKaj> later ....
[21:08] <valorie> !lucid
[21:08] <chencho9000> 2048 MB (2 x 1024 MB) RAM
[21:08] <hyper_ch> s/ends/ended/
[21:08] <chencho9000> NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M
[21:08] <valorie> yes, no support for 10.04 any more
[21:09] <chencho9000> Up to 895 MB (128 MB dedicated)
[21:09] <valorie> !precise
[21:09] <valorie> not much support beyond security updates though
[21:10] <chencho9000> I've tried kubuntu 10.04 on live
[21:10] <valorie> chencho9000: you'll be happier with a newer release
[21:10] <valorie> 10.04 is no longer supported
[21:10] <OerHeks> go for kubuntu, 64 bit maybe?
[21:11] <chencho9000> and works good at least
[21:11] <valorie> it was great back in the day, but that was long ago
[21:11] <valorie> in "computer years"
[21:11] <valorie> :-)
[21:12] <valorie> !trusty
[21:12] <chencho9000> oh 10.04 is not a kid but runs like a champ in my desktop :)
[21:12] <valorie> no more security updates though
[22:53] <caperneoignis> hi


[08:29]  * duflu falls into the obsession of finding new ways to reduce latency again
[08:32] <anpok> this time using an organic lvds interface?
[08:36] <duflu> anpok: Sounds difficult to patch into a stable release
[10:08] <greyback_> It seems necessary that MIR_SERVER_NAME must be set to something in order for a nested client to work. That expected?
[10:09] <greyback_> aha no, USC depends on it
[15:29]  * alan_g hates it when compiler optimizations affect behaviour (especially the result of tests)
[16:25] <AlbertA2> Any review volunteers for these USC fixes?
[16:25] <AlbertA2> https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/fix-1353647/+merge/230370
[16:25] <AlbertA2> https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/fix-1230345/+merge/230844
[16:25] <AlbertA2> mterry: ^
[16:30] <mterry> AlbertA2, OK
[16:30] <mterry> AlbertA2, in the second one, the timeout-over-dbus one, values <=0 are ignored.  We don't want them to disable a timeout?
[16:32] <AlbertA2> mterry: yeah I guess it should be possible, but needs a bit of refactoring so we can disable each individually
[16:51] <mterry> AlbertA2, in the other merge, why split acquired_sys_state into two fields?  With (!requested_suspend_blocker || pending_suspend_blocker), you are allowing for calling requestSysState twice and overriding your existing cookie, aren't you?
[16:51] <AlbertA2> in case powerd is not available and there's a pending request to block suspend basically
[16:52] <AlbertA2> for example if powerd crashes...and we turned on the screen
[16:52] <AlbertA2> and the interface is not available but will in the future
[16:52] <AlbertA2> or when booting when powerd may not yet be available, we issue the suspend block call when it does become available
[16:55] <mterry> AlbertA2, but if you see that powerd comes back up, you just clear the requested_suspend_blocker and sys_state_cookie fields and request it again, right?
[16:55] <mterry> I'm not seeing why you would need the pending field
[16:57] <AlbertA2> mterry: oh so it's because I'm not getting the serviceUnregister call if powerd restarts or crashes...I dunno why...
[16:57] <AlbertA2> so
[16:58] <AlbertA2> The pending flag is kinda used to force to issue the call again, since the internal state in powermediator is out of sync
[16:58] <mterry> AlbertA2, well...  you don't necessarily *need* the unregister call.  We can just pay attention to the register calls
[16:59] <mterry> AlbertA2, but any time you would set pending=true, why not just instead set requested=false?
[16:59] <mterry> AlbertA2, two fields complicates the logic and means that the code can (if requested=true and pending=true) request a second cookie and forget it requested the first
[17:00] <AlbertA2> mterry: yeah I thought I had a reason..but I don't see why it needs to be two fields...
[17:01] <AlbertA2> let me simplify that then
[17:03] <AlbertA2> mterry: oh, I think I remember...
[17:04] <AlbertA2> mterry: in the case that powerd is not yet available...I wanted something to tell me
[17:04] <AlbertA2> in case the suspend block call was issued
[17:05] <AlbertA2> that we needed to request a suspend block...
[17:05] <mterry> AlbertA2, but wouldn't requested remain false then?
[17:05] <AlbertA2> since powerdMediator
[17:05] <AlbertA2> does not track the screen power state
[17:05] <AlbertA2> right...but if it has not been requested...
[17:05] <AlbertA2> then there's no need to actually make the call
[17:06] <AlbertA2> basically if powerd restarts while the screen is off
[17:06] <AlbertA2> there's no need to issue the call...
[17:08] <AlbertA2> but I'll try and make that more clear...
[17:08] <mterry>  AlbertA2, OK I think I get it.....  But
[17:10] <mterry> AlbertA2, seems like we should save the desired state in one field.  And whether or not we have a cookie in another (maybe just examine if cookie string is empty).  That way we can always know what to do
[17:11] <mterry> If we notice that powerd restarted, we can clear the cookie and look at desired state to see if we should make the request
[17:11] <AlbertA2> mterry: yeah that makes sense...let me see
[17:29] <smallfoot-> It is impossible to uninstall Mir in Utopic
[17:29] <smallfoot-> when I try to remove some Mir package, it tries to remove like all packages on the system
[18:10] <AlbertA2> mterry: updated https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/fix-1353647/+merge/230370