[18:54] <lisbeth> gambl0re: the cool thing is there are these things called aliases which can make typing easier on you. You can take a long string like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install" and make it a single word like "checkinstall." then all you have to type is, checkinstall <packagename> to install something.
[18:55] <Pici> lisbeth: well, checkinstall is already the name of another tool, so it would be weird to do that.
[18:55] <TJ-> regedit: I've finally managed to bisect the kernel to the commit that breaks it - the issue I've been working on since last Friday. At least 1 of us is making progress :)
[18:56] <regedit> TJ-: heh :) great success to you!
[18:57] <vitothe> !list
[18:57] <vitothe> ciao
[18:57] <regedit> TJ-: this is about as close as i ever got to playing with linux kernel - http://eudyptula-challenge.org/
[18:57] <regedit> TJ-: well actually, just reading that page, and not actually doing anything with it :p
[18:57] <gambl0re> yea but whenever i try to install anything without usng sudo, it always gives me an error msg saying you dont have permission or some BS like that
[18:57] <ernalve> Hi, I have this problem: I tried replacing Unity with Mate in Ubuntu 14.04 but now I can't login to Ubuntu. I get to the login screen, type my password and get a message saying the login has failed. Any help?
[18:58] <TJ-> regedit: I've been doing kernel development since 2005 ... started off by necessity
[18:58] <sha1sum> Sooooo, my dumb self accidentally created the root mount point on a regular drive and the home directory on a SSD when I meant to do the reverse. How can I use a live USB stick to switch the data and change the bootloader?
[18:58] <lisbeth> ernalve: try ctrl+alt+f1 and see if that takes you to a terminal
[18:59] <gambl0re> also i changed the folder permissions on usr/lib and thats when my system started falling apart...
[18:59] <cheetahw26> eh... finally found something that works in a checkbox script...
[19:01] <qdii> hey
[19:01] <lisbeth> gambl0re: taht's becuase linux is designed so that you can't install something without sudo. The purpose of this is that only the person who is the administrator of the computer can control what's installed.
[19:01] <qdii> why can't I escalate like this: "echo password | sudo -S su"
[19:01] <lisbeth> gambl0re: It is perfectly ok to use sudo to install software. Just be careful when installing something from third parties.
[19:01] <rory> qdii: you can set it up so you can run "sudo su" without a password
[19:01] <rory> qdii: and then you wouldn't need to resort to such hackery
[19:01] <regedit> TJ-: cool wow, this is the story of the linux world innit
[19:02] <regedit> hah that's a good pun in(n)it
[19:02] <lisbeth> gambl0re: everything in your repo should be safe to install. This is one of the benefits of a package management system.
[19:02] <qdii> rory my case is a bit complicated, I really need to feed the password
[19:03] <ernalve> hey, I get to terminal but can't login from there either
[19:03] <sha1sum> Can I just switch the data between the partitions, change /etc/fstab, and change the bootloader configuration?
[19:03] <ernalve> it just won't recognize my user as a valid one
[19:03] <qdii> it's a ssh connection established from a php script
[19:03] <maximus2> where the  heck is the chat room
[19:03] <lisbeth> gambl0re: if you are looking for a way to install software that is a little easier than the command line, but a bit better than the ubuntu software center, try using synaptic.
[19:03] <lisbeth> gambl0re: synaptic is a very good software manager that will take care of alot of the compilcated things for you
[19:03] <rory> qdii: look into "expect" - I don't know it in enough detail to help you directly, but it's a way of scriping the input of text into other programs
[19:05] <leshaste> I would like to stitch two scanned images together which have a large overlap.. is there a tool for this?
[19:05] <lisbeth> ernalve: are you sure your username and password are correct?
[19:07] <ernalve> lisbeth: I think so. I'm writing my password as always, no caps lock or mistakes, and the username is the one that shows up on my login screen...
[19:07] <jhutchins> leshaste: You could do it with The Gimp.
[19:07] <pbx> leshaste, you mean to find the overlap programmatically?
[19:07] <lisbeth> ernalve: could you show me a picture of your screen?
[19:08] <iceroot> if have a mount point in /etc/fstab, as it seems since ubuntu 15.04 /etc/fstab is not used automaticly anymore? on older ubuntu version and debian the /etc/fstab mountpoint is still working, of 15.04 i have to execute sudo mount -a  to get all my points from that file. so were there any changes?
[19:08] <ernalve> lisbeth: i'm using windows now from my dual boot, because linux won't login
[19:08] <lisbeth> ernalve: do you have a picture phone?
[19:09] <iceroot> qdii: dont use expect for ssh, its to buggy, there is only one correct way and that is "pubkey". everything else is wrong, insecure and buggy
[19:09] <ernalve> lisbeth, not actually
[19:09] <ernalve> no phone
[19:09] <ernalve> but I can try any suggestions and report back
[19:10] <iceroot> qdii: and also sudo su is very wrong, use sudo -i instead and never ever use something like "echo password". its stored in your bash history and maybe also in log files
[19:10] <lisbeth> ernalve: well you are going to want to try a process called recovery
[19:10] <lisbeth> ernalve: if your user and password isn't working there's a few ways to do this
[19:10] <lisbeth> ernalve: one is to try to save your install, and this is by far the hardest option.
[19:11] <lisbeth> ernalve: if all you want is the files in your documents and pictures etcetera, then you can just copy them over and then reinstall your ubuntu system
[19:11] <gambl0re> i still dont get it...whats the difference if i use sudo or not when installing something?
[19:11] <ernalve> lisbeth: that's ok
[19:11] <lisbeth> gambl0re: if you type sudo it makes the command you are running an admin command
[19:11] <iceroot> gambl0re: sudo is used to ecexute something as root, if not using sudo, your current user is used
[19:11] <lisbeth> gambl0re: if you don't type sudo it is not an admin comand
[19:11] <iceroot> !sudo | gambl0re
[19:12] <bekks> sudo elevates your privileges to run a command with root privileges.
[19:12] <iceroot> gambl0re: always use sudo, dont login as root directly
[19:12] <gambl0re> if im the only person using this computer then it doesnt really matter
[19:12] <iceroot> gambl0re: of course it does
[19:12] <lisbeth> gambl0re: anything that coudl potentially mess up your system, they make you type sudo for two reasons. First of all so that only the administrators can do it. Second of all because they want you to understand that the operation comes with risk.
[19:13] <iceroot> gambl0re: you are executing EVERYTHING as root when you are logged in as root also in cases where root is not needed
[19:13] <lisbeth> gambl0re: basically any time you use sudo just be careful
[19:13] <lisbeth> iceroot: puppy linux runs everything as root
[19:13] <iceroot> gambl0re: its much easier to kill a system if you are root all the time
[19:13] <iceroot> lisbeth: and?
[19:13] <iceroot> lisbeth: windows xp also runs everything as admin
[19:13] <lisbeth> iceroot just making small talk
[19:14] <SchrodingersScat> !ot | lisbeth
[19:14] <ernalve> lisbeth: how can I recover my files?
[19:14] <lisbeth> ernalve: pop in your ubuntu disk and when you get to the option to "try ubuntu or install ubuntu" click "try ubuntu". It should give you access to all of your files.
[19:14] <bekks> iceroot: Windows XP doesnt run everything as admin. It is the user who logs in with the Administrator account.
[19:15] <iceroot> bekks: and the default user is an admin account
[19:15] <Bashing-om> ernalve: Loss of access is often times loos of authorizatio to acces "your" /home . ' ls -al /home ; ls -al /home/<Username> ' Do "you" own the files ?
[19:15] <lisbeth> SchrodingersScat: The chat isn't very active right now. I don't see the harm in going slightly off topic with this little traffic.
[19:16] <bekks> iceroot: And using the Administrator account for your daily work is strongly discouraged, as on every OS. So let's move on.
[19:16] <iceroot> bekks: but i think we both agree that it is bad to login as admin/root instead of a normal user and only get admin/root access if needed
[19:16] <iceroot> bekks: +1
[19:17] <ernalve> I'm the only user in this computer, I guess that's not the problem
[19:17] <gambl0re> i cant do step 3.1 - http://installfest.railsbridge.org/installfest/linux
[19:17] <gambl0re> im getting a long ass error msg AS USUAL
[19:17] <Bashing-om> ernalve: Check and see, will only take a tic in time .
[19:17] <ernalve> ok, thanks
[19:18] <lisbeth> gambl0re: for future reference when in IRC getting help, it is beneficial to you to post the guide you are following at the outset of the conversation.
[19:18] <gambl0re> ok...
[19:18] <gambl0re> do you want me to paste the error message?
[19:18] <lisbeth> gambl0re: send us the output of your terminal when you attempt step 3.1
[19:18] <lisbeth> the entire output
[19:18] <Bashing-om> ernalve: Could possibility that "root" owns "your" files ... not "you" . check and make sure with the above.
[19:19] <gambl0re> ricky@ricky-VB:~$ curl -L get.rvm.io | bash -s stable
[19:19] <gambl0re>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
[19:19] <gambl0re>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
[19:19] <gambl0re> 100   184  100   184    0     0    518      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--   522
[19:19] <gambl0re> 100 22721  100 22721    0     0  21923      0  0:00:01  0:00:01 --:--:-- 41086
[19:19] <gambl0re> Downloading https://github.com/rvm/rvm/archive/1.26.11.tar.gz
[19:19] <mherweg> how can i install missing language packs on the command line ?
[19:19] <Falcon> How could i use Ubuntu on a currently windows 8 PC
[19:19] <lisbeth> gambl0re: Oh. Do you know how to open a .tar.gz file?
[19:20] <n344ly> Falcon: dual boot or in a virtual
[19:20] <Falcon> dual boot
[19:20] <gambl0re> https://gist.github.com/crazyboy867/1ef5035d2b328ead43db
[19:20] <gambl0re> theres the error msg
[19:20] <n344ly> !uefi | Falcon check this
[19:20] <jpds> gambl0re: Dude.
[19:20] <gambl0re> i know how to open it using the gui
[19:20] <gambl0re> what?
[19:21] <jpds> gambl0re: ANY software that makes you run a bash script from the internet, is just going to be trouble.
[19:21] <Falcon> thanks n344ly
[19:21] <mherweg> Falcon: boot from stick or DVD
[19:21] <n344ly> Falcon: Be sure to preface the user nick your addressing, you can tab complete nicks. ;)
[19:21] <gambl0re> im just following instructions....what do i know?
[19:21] <lisbeth> gambl0re: I think that the keys that that guide uses are expired. Try using this guide for that step: https://rvm.io/rvm/install
[19:21] <gambl0re> dont blame me, blame the author
[19:22] <Falcon> mherweg, i have tried that it did install then showed bootstrap error
[19:22] <lisbeth> gambl0re: I am not blaming you
[19:22] <Falcon> n344ly, thanks
[19:22] <lisbeth> gambl0re: it's pretty common
[19:22] <n344ly> gambl0re: I'm not sure any of that is supported here realistically, just saying.
[19:23] <mherweg> !wubi
[19:23] <jpds> gambl0re: If I were you, I would be doing this in a virtual machine.
[19:24] <lisbeth> jpds: since gambl0re is willing to reformat is machine so readily I don't think that is a necessary step.
[19:24] <n344ly> mherweg: Key note in bot's nessage, "Do not use Wubi" it is not supported.
[19:24] <mherweg> ok
[19:25] <gambl0re> i am doing in a vm
[19:25] <JohnDoe1972> guys why are there so many distros and what do they really offer thats different from each other ?
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> JohnDoe1972  that's a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:26] <JohnDoe1972> jesus really
[19:26] <mherweg> never tried win8. with win7 dual boot works fine
[19:26] <JohnDoe1972> couldnt you just answer the question
[19:27] <n344ly> mherweg: If you have W8 make sure you know if a UEFI setup or not, this is a crucial issue.
[19:27] <trijntje> JohnDoe1972: because different people like different things. Its like asking why there are so many different foods
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> JohnDoe1972  this is not the place for discussion, stick to support questions
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> or so many different carq
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> cars
[19:27] <JohnDoe1972> ok i need some support
[19:27] <JohnDoe1972> im going to install linux but im confused what distro to choose
[19:28] <JohnDoe1972> what considerations should i have when choosing a distro
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> start with ubuntu
[19:28] <JohnDoe1972> why ?
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> u can always install another should u not like it
[19:28] <n344ly> JohnDoe1972: You are missing the point this is ubuntu support on installs and problems only.
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> because its somewhere to start
[19:28] <lisbeth> JohnDoe1972: the most guides out there on the internet are for ubuntu 14.04 linux unity edition
[19:28] <lisbeth> JohnDoe1972: you will get the most support on that distro
[19:28] <trijntje> JohnDoe1972: its easiest to stick with the biggest ones (ubuntu and mint I think), that way there is a lot of support
[19:28] <Bashing-om> JohnDoe1972: ^^ ther is no one answer, the resonses can be many . Linux, no one size fits all .. And yes the discussion belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic. Support for ubuntu does belong here .
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> i used debian for years and recently changed to ubuntu
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> JohnDoe1972  if you have to start somewhere, start with ubuntu
[19:29] <JohnDoe1972> ok folks thanks for the positive support.
[19:29] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: when you ask in #ubuntu start with ubuntu :) for other comparisons ask in ##linux or #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:29] <conorMcGregor9> and cant beleive how easier things were with ubuntu
[19:29] <conorMcGregor9> it comes with 3.16 kernel, so i didnt have to backport a newer one
[19:29] <kostkon> JohnDoe1972, becuase you've alredy made the first step, joined its support channel
[19:29] <JohnDoe1972> any links to guides for nobs
[19:29] <conorMcGregor9> installing nvidia drivers was as simple as clicking a radio button...
[19:29] <k1l> conorMcGregor9: 15.04 even ships with 3.19
[19:30] <p5yc071c> has anyone recently had an issue with the boot folder filling up with updates?
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> !manual | JohnDoe1972 start here
[19:30] <lisbeth> JohnDoe1972: I have plenty of time today. If you talk to me in PM I can guide you through everything you need to know.
[19:30] <trijntje> JohnDoe1972: ubuntu comes with good documentation by default, just search for 'help' in the menu after installing
[19:30] <JohnDoe1972> thx ubottu
[19:30] <JohnDoe1972> :D
[19:30] <JohnDoe1972> ;)
[19:30] <n344ly> lisbeth: We like every thing on the channel
[19:30] <lisbeth> n344ly noted
[19:31] <n344ly> ;)
[19:31] <conorMcGregor9> i didnt know there was a 3.19 kernel lol
[19:31] <n344ly> peer review is all
[19:31] <lisbeth> n344ly: is it acceptable to invite people to be social network contacts?
[19:32] <n344ly> lisbeth: Thetre is no rule here basically, just on help you really want that peer review, we all make mistakes. ;)
[19:32] <vooze> Hi, I cant seem to add the google chrome to the gnome shell launcher/dock. If i do, it just lanches another instance. What could be the cause of this?
[19:33] <conorMcGregor9> if u click terminal does it open new ones too?
[19:33] <n344ly> vooze: you are right clicking it in the search and adding?
[19:35] <Bashing-om> p5yc071c: Lots ! The system will not impose on your desires and remove old kernels. That is at your direct descretion . What returnd ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[19:35] <ptree> guys do you know how to update llvm to the "development" version?
[19:35] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr" and "ls /sys/fs/pstore/".
[19:36] <n344ly> ptree: This is repo supported.
[19:36] <conorMcGregor9> ptree, just install the dev version
[19:38] <p5yc071c> I'm having trouble installing updates as the boot folder is overfilled...
[19:38] <n344ly> p5yc071c: Do you have a seperate boot partition?
[19:38] <HoloIRCUser> 14.04LTS. After applying software update and restarting, I'm no longer able to log in graphically - the screen freezes, responds to mouse but never loads sidebar. How can I get to a console?
[19:38] <p5yc071c> no
[19:39] <p5yc071c> *Not that I know of* ; )
[19:39] <k1l> p5yc071c: remove old kernel packages. see with "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" what are installed
[19:39] <n344ly> p5yc071c: pastebin sudo fdsik -l
[19:39] <k1l> p5yc071c: oh, please show a "df -h" first in a pastebin
[19:39] <ebernhar2son> I just installed ubuntu 14.04 on my new laptop with a 2560x1440 screen.  Annoyingly the fonts are all the wrong size, any idea how to fix: http://i.imgur.com/QH5WhAj.png
[19:39] <Bashing-om> p5yc071c: K; show us : ' df -h | pastebinit ' IF you are not at 100% capacity there may be an easy solution .
[19:39] <p5yc071c> Filesystem                   Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:39] <p5yc071c> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root  901G  195G  661G  23% /
[19:39] <p5yc071c> none                         4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[19:39] <p5yc071c> udev                         7.8G  4.0K  7.8G   1% /dev
[19:39] <p5yc071c> tmpfs                        1.6G  1.4M  1.6G   1% /run
[19:39]  * ebernhar2son notes that screenshot didn't work right either ...
[19:39] <p5yc071c> none                         5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[19:39] <n344ly> err fdisk -l and k11's command
[19:40] <k1l> !paste | p5yc071c
[19:40] <HoloIRCUser> I've tried ctrl-alt-F1 through F6, no dice, ctrl-alt-backspace, nothing.
[19:40] <conorMcGregor9> fdisk will require root
[19:41] <Bashing-om> HoloIRCUser: Can you boot from grub's "recovery" kernel ? From ther we can look .
[19:41] <n344ly> HoloIRCUser: Have you installed propietary graphic drivers?
[19:41] <p5yc071c> n3rrtly -  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:41] <p5yc071c> /dev/sda1               1     1050623      525311+  ee  GPT
[19:41] <p5yc071c> Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
[19:41] <p5yc071c> /dev/sda2   *     1050624     1550335      249856   83  Linux
[19:41] <p5yc071c> /dev/sda3         1550336<PHONE_NUMBER>   976329728   83  Linux
[19:41] <HoloIRCUser> N334ly: no.
[19:42] <k1l> p5yc071c: stop pasting the stuff in here. use a pastebin website like the bot told you
[19:42] <treelzeb_> !paste | p5yc071c
[19:42] <conorMcGregor9> df -h doesnt work?
[19:42] <HoloIRCUser> Bashing-om: okay, rebooting
[19:42] <genii> p5yc071c: If you don't start using a pastebin we'll have no choice but to boot you, especially as you have been told to use one more than once npw
[19:43] <HoloIRCUser> Bashing-om okay, I have a root shell. Now what?
[19:44] <conorMcGregor9> now you have to say abra kadabra
[19:45] <Bashing-om> HoloIRCUser: We want to know that 1) "you" own your /home . in the terminal coomand ' ls -al /home ' You own the files and not 'root' ?? then we look at 2) .
[19:45] <HoloIRCUser> n334ly graphics card is an Intel GMA, runs find under mesa
[19:46] <HoloIRCUser> Or, rather, ran fine until today
[19:46] <treelzebub> ebernhar2son: i'd recommend installing Unity Tweak Tool. There's a Fonts tab, where you can Restore Defaults, or tweak as you like. to install: $ sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[19:47] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: does another user or the guest account work?
[19:48] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: guest account  has the same problem
[19:49] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: ah, no, it seems guest account works fine
[19:49] <conorMcGregor9> whats the problem? a black screen when u login your other account?
[19:49] <k1l> which desktop is it? and what ubuntu version exactly?
[19:50] <ebernhar2son> treelzebub: hmm, tried that but it didn't change the size of the fonts in titlebars, just inside that single application.  i'll try logging out to see if a reset makes any difference though
[19:50] <HoloIRCUser> conorMcGregor9: keeps login background, never progresses
[19:50] <k1l> so i would start with looking in the homefolder like Bashing-om told you to rule out the easy solutions.
[19:51] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: the default wm with default de, release is 14.04LTE, kernel is 3.16.0-41-generic
[19:51] <ebernhar1son> treelzebub: perhaps i'm doing something wrong, i logged out and logged back in and text scaling factor is back to 2.45
[19:51] <treelzebub> ebernhar2son: Sys Settings > Displays > "Scale for menu and title bars"
[19:51] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: so unity?
[19:51] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: sure.
[19:52] <regedit> Jordan_U: efibootmgr outputs "No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery"
[19:53] <regedit> Jordan_U: ls /sys/fs/pstore/ is empty
[19:54] <p5yc071c> Did the pastebins work?
[19:54] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: what am I looking for in the home directory? It has my files.
[19:54] <Jordan_U> regedit: What did happen when you booted with no drives plugged into the machine?
[19:54] <conorMcGregor9> did u paste the link?
[19:54] <p5yc071c> comorMcGregor9 - I had tried... here it is again:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732272/
[19:54] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: "ls -al" so you see the owners. see if there is stuff that is owned by root
[19:54] <p5yc071c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732269/
[19:54] <treelzebub> ebernhar1son: if tweak-tool and sys settings keep reverting when you logout/in, you can try this: $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Interface.app-fallback-to-maximum-scale-factor false
[19:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: nothing particularly interesting. i got the initial (bios?) boot menu which still had the option to boot "ubuntu" (which usually brings me to grub), except now it just didnt find the boot drive and carried on trying other boot devices
[19:55] <treelzebub> ebernhar1son: shit, sorry-- this: $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Interface app-fallback-to-maximum-scale-factor false
[19:55] <k1l> p5yc071c: you have a seperated /boot partition. so do a "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" please in a pastebin
[19:55] <Jordan_U> regedit: And when all boot devices failed?
[19:55] <MichaelP> Runing kubuntu 15.04 installing ubuntu-deskto-next https://bpaste.net/show/312ba2efb8e0 .. can i make it ignore the blue tooth ?
[19:56] <regedit> Jordan_U: i think it just rebooted or something
[19:56] <regedit> reboot loop if i remember correctly
[19:56] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: in root shell, it hasn't done the mount rebind yet.
[19:56] <regedit> i can verify if it's important
[19:56] <ebernhar1son> treelzebub: excellent.  how do you find those values?  is there some sort of browser for all the settings that can be searched through?
[19:56] <p5yc071c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732330/
[19:56] <Jordan_U> regedit: I'm not sure it's important, but I'm curious :)
[19:56] <regedit> oh :)
[19:57] <conorMcGregor9> open another shell Holo
[19:57] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: .. is owned by root, rest are owned by user
[19:57] <treelzebub> from ubuntu forums, i found some possible related bugs that led me to bugs.launchpad.net, and in the comments there was this solution. [src: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1310316]
[19:57] <Jordan_U> regedit: What was your original end goal in getting to the boot firmware menus? I seem to remember something about booting an OS that was installed for BIOS rather than UEFI?
[19:57] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: and then?
[19:57] <k1l> p5yc071c: you see the packages you got installed. so do a "sudo apt-get remove linux-image........ linux-image...." to remove the kernels not needed. but keep at least 2 different kernels installed
[19:58] <regedit> regedit: if i'm not mistaken both Windows and Ubuntu are currently UEFI installations
[19:58] <regedit> er Jordan_U ^
[19:58] <conorMcGregor9> HoloIRCUser, i thought u said your shell was working
[19:58] <regedit> Jordan_U: my goal is to mess with bios settings, like virtualization or intel rapid start / rapid storage etc
[19:58] <histo> regedit: did fwsetup work?
[19:58] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: ok, so maybe you need to reset the gnome settings.
[19:58] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: I have a root shell through recovery, yes. I want my wm to work after I log in with my user
[19:59] <regedit> histo: sadly not... grub said command not found
[19:59] <p5yc071c> kll - so...it doesn't matter which two that I keep?
[19:59] <p5yc071c> kll - or a better question - where do I go to learn about how to make that decision?
[19:59] <histo> regedit: what's the problem your having now? still can't get to fimrware?
[19:59] <regedit> histo: yep, inaccessible
[20:00] <regedit> the setup that is
[20:00] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: so delete the gnome-related files?
[20:00] <histo> regedit: did you try booting with the drive unplugged?
[20:00] <k1l> p5yc071c: i would say the latest one and then choose one that you like. if all worked just go for the second latest one. the second latest installed kernel is used for the recovery boot option in grub
[20:00] <regedit> histo: yup, nothing interesting was discovered there
[20:00] <histo> regedit: you still couldn't fn+f2?
[20:00] <conorMcGregor9> HoloIRCUser, do u have a lot of settings on your user?
[20:00] <Jordan_U> histo: No, fwsetup requires the ability to read and write to UEFI variables, and it looks like right now regedit's boot firmware is reporting that there are no UEFI variables at all whenever asked by an OS or bootloader (though clearly there is at least one, containing the boot entry for Ubuntu).
[20:00] <histo> regedit: and what do you mean by nothing interesting?
[20:00] <regedit> histo: correct, i couldnt..
[20:00] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: no
[20:00] <conorMcGregor9> and the guest account works?
[20:01] <HoloIRCUser> Yes
[20:01] <conorMcGregor9> just make a new account then and copy your files over
[20:01] <regedit> histo: system simply fails to find boot device, and power cycles
[20:01] <histo> regedit: does /sys/firmware/efi  directory exxist
[20:01] <regedit> histo: yes
[20:02] <histo> regedit: wth
[20:02] <moto_unix> Hi guys
[20:02] <regedit> config_table  efivars  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  runtime  runtime-map  systab  vars
[20:02] <HoloIRCUser> Conormcgregor9: adduser is saying it can't lock /etc/passwd from within recovery
[20:02] <tgm4883> HoloIRCUser: you probably need to remount / rw
[20:02] <histo> regedit: you're kernel is booted in efi mode this is so odd.  So the firmware update that fixes the issue is still a no go?
[20:02] <histo> brb
[20:02] <regedit> histo: the installer fails...
[20:03] <HoloIRCUser> tgm4883: yep, thanks
[20:03] <Jordan_U> regedit: When you tried to upgrade the boot firmware, was that via a program that did the flashing from the OS, or was it something that put the new boot firmware image in the EFI System Partition for the boot firmware to flash itself at next boot? (Or do you not know?)
[20:04] <regedit> Jordan_U: some of the guides/tutorials were more this way, some were more that way
[20:04] <regedit> i tried several of them in various combinations
[20:05] <regedit> no wait, actually
[20:05] <regedit> the guides were mostly USB stick based
[20:05] <regedit> only the lenovo supplied update seemed to be trying to do it by direct flashing the boot firmware
[20:06] <regedit> let me show you the guides i was following
[20:07] <regedit> http://superuser.com/a/813623
[20:08] <regedit> actually i think that one was pretty much it, with some variations thereof
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> regedit: sounds like an issue for the ##hardware guys
[20:09] <tersio> I installed wine in my ubuntu, i was reading this        http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294119              how do I go to    c:/windows/system32       in wine?
[20:10] <tgm4883> tersio: IIRC, you should be able to launch windows explorer
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> !wine | tersio
[20:10] <harishkrupo> tersio, there is a directory called .wine in home search there
[20:11] <tgm4883> tersio: you could also go to ~/.wine/drive_c
[20:11] <tersio> how do I run wine in my ubuntu?
[20:11] <tersio> like to get a windows desktop
[20:11] <tgm4883> tersio: you dont
[20:11] <tgm4883> tersio: that isn't what wine is
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> tersio: you want a virtual machine windows?
[20:12] <conorMcGregor9> its for running windows applications
[20:12] <harishkrupo> tersio, for that you need to install windows
[20:12] <tersio> I see
[20:12] <conorMcGregor9> dont know why that bot is even in here
[20:12] <tersio> because here it points to some windows style directories
[20:12] <tersio> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294119
[20:12] <tgm4883> tersio: yes, and?
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> conorMcGregor9: what do you mean?
[20:13] <tersio> if I'm just executing a windows program through wine I won't have any of those dirs
[20:13] <conorMcGregor9> lotuspsychje, the ubottu bot that no one seems to read lol
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> conorMcGregor9: yeah its described fine indeed
[20:13] <tgm4883> tersio: when you installed wine, it also installed a windows explorer that would let you see a windows file structure
[20:14] <GitNick> Ok, so I tried to install something using apt-get, but then ran out of space, now I'm stuck, I can't continue. How can I undo this?
[20:14] <tgm4883> tersio: yes you would see that file structure if you were executing a windows program
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> tersio: maybe you can explain what you really want to do? wich windows program do you need?
[20:14] <tersio> how do I access that windows explorer?
[20:14] <harishkrupo> GitNick, remove that application
[20:14] <tgm4883> tersio: did you search unity for windows explorer?
[20:15] <sha1sum> I'm trying to wade through old and seemingly irrelevant search results... How do I simply switch the partition to boot from? I have all files copied and have changed the fstab, now not sure about the next step to get THAT parition to be the root partition
[20:15] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please pastebin the output of "find /sys/firmware/efi/".
[20:15] <tersio> I'm trying to play a wrf file, I found this  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294119          so trying to do what it says there
[20:15] <GitNick> harishkrupo: I get an unmetdependencies error and no apt-get command will run
[20:15] <tgm4883> tersio: are you running unity?
[20:16] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Do you have this new root partition mounted currently? If so, what is the mountpoint? If not, please mount it to /mnt/.
[20:16] <tersio> tgm4883: no
[20:16] <tgm4883> tersio: kde? xfce? help me out a little here
[20:16] <harishkrupo> GitNick, what about apt-get remove <package>
[20:16] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: I'm basically trying to switch two mountpoints that I accidentally reversed on installation: "/" and "/home"... I just simply rsync'd all files to both until I get the boot partition switched, so yeah they're both currently mounted but reversed
[20:17] <GitNick> harishkrupo: nope
[20:17] <tersio> oh you mean the ubuntu desktop? not sure, thought it was gnome? I'm on 14.04 default
[20:17] <sha1sum> (one is an SSD and one is a disk, so I obviously want the SSD as the root but didn't configure it that way)
[20:17] <conorMcGregor9> so unity
[20:17] <harishkrupo> GitNick, apt-get remove --purge <package>
[20:18] <tersio> yes I have the ubuntu file explorer but not a windows one
[20:18] <tgm4883> tersio: ok, did you bother searching for windows explorer or wine?
[20:18] <KowabungaDude^> Hello again
[20:18] <GitNick> harishkrupo:  All commands result in "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[20:18] <acz32> GitNick: it is telling you how to fix your problem. are you blind?
[20:18] <harishkrupo> GitNick, what about apt-get install -f
[20:18] <HoloIRCUser> After creating a new user and copying all files over, I'm no longer able to log in to my secondary user - I'm simply kicked back to login. This is an improvement - but how do I log in?
[20:18] <harishkrupo> acz32, no he is out of space
[20:19] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: so basically if I knew how to just tell the bootloader what the root partition was then I think I'd be fine because it's still using the disk as root instead of the SSD
[20:19] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Have you done a lot since installing? If not, then the simplest and most reliable method would be to just re-install properly.
[20:19] <acz32> harishkrupo: that doesn't matter. it's telling him what to do
[20:19] <conorMcGregor9> HoloIRCUser, did it work before u copied your files over?
[20:19] <tersio> I have configure wine, uninstall wine, winetricks
[20:19] <harishkrupo> acz32, if he uses the command it will try to install but no space
[20:19] <HoloIRCUser> Sha1sum: grub2 menu.lst contains the grub instructions
[20:19] <GitNick> acz32: And what it tells me to do doesn't work (because I have no more space)
[20:19] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: yes
[20:20] <conorMcGregor9> must be some of the files in your home directory
[20:20] <acz32> GitNick: try creating enough free space to run the apt-get install -f
[20:20] <acz32> that should fix it
[20:20] <GitNick> acz32: (To answer your other question: No my sight is fine)
[20:20] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Basically you want to follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot , but having your new root currently mounted as /home/ is a little awkward, and again a re-install would be more reliable and simpler.
[20:20] <conorMcGregor9> how did u copy them over? a cp -r?
[20:20] <tgm4883> tersio: can you run 'winefile' from the command line?
[20:20] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: mount -o bind
[20:20] <GitNick> acz32: Tried that, cant
[20:20] <acz32> acz32: or do sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:20] <harishkrupo> GitNick, what is the output of df
[20:20] <tersio> tgm4883: yep, opened something
[20:21] <tgm4883> tersio: a file explorer?
[20:21] <tersio> yes, there I see a c:
[20:21] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: I didn't change the boot parition's location because it was already right, so I'm wondering if I simply edit stuff under /etc/grub.d/ and see if I can switch the root partition and it doesn't work then I guess re-installationn is the fallback... ?
[20:21] <HoloIRCUser> Conormcgregor9: if it were really a file, wouldn't these behave identically?
[20:21] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: (and run update-grub obviously)
[20:22] <GitNick> harishkrupo: https://gist.github.com/NickClark/1aa355aec9f96d4fbb09
[20:22] <conorMcGregor9> well if it worked before u copied any files over
[20:22] <conorMcGregor9> it must be a file
[20:22] <HoloIRCUser> sha1sum: changes need to written to mbr or uefi, run grub-install
[20:22] <tgm4883> tersio: ok, so you should be able to follow that post now
[20:22] <harishkrupo> sha1sum, how did you even boot if the disk is mounted as / ?
[20:22] <sha1sum> HoloIRCUser: isn't that old though? Also menu.lst is grub not grub2
[20:22] <tersio> tgm4883: ok thanks
[20:22] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: but there's also something else, because two users with identical home directories have different behavior
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> tersio: i think you best convert the wrf file into .mp4 with a converter, then play with vlc
[20:23] <HoloIRCUser> sha1sum: system still boots using grub
[20:23] <sha1sum> harishkrupo: all the files are present on both the drives (I just copied all files from each to the other) until I get it working... Then I edited the fstab on what *should be* the root
[20:23] <harishkrupo> GitNick, do apt-get autoclean
[20:23] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Do *not* edit anything in /etc/grub.d/.
[20:23] <harishkrupo> sha1sum, then edit the /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:24] <conorMcGregor9> what files are u copying, your own personal files?
[20:24] <conorMcGregor9> or hidden files in your home directory?
[20:24] <harishkrupo> sha1sum, point it to the right partition and then boot
[20:25] <harishkrupo> sha1sum after booting remove the boot directory from you home and run grub-install and update-grub2
[20:25] <harishkrupo> GitNick, it will clean some of the cached packages
[20:25] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: The guide that I linked you to will have you run update-grub within a chroot that's using your new root filesystem, so it will create a grub.cfg appropriate for your new configuration. You could also manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg once, then reboot and run "sudo update-grub" again once you're booted into the new configuration.
[20:26] <sha1sum> OK I appreciate everyone's help, I'm going to give this a try
[20:26] <TJ-> sha1sum: GRUB determines the root device based on the entries in '/etc/fstab' and specifically the UUID of the file-system. If you effectively swapped the file contents in those partitions then right now it sounds like your root partition in fstab points to the partition containing /home. If that is in fact the case simply swap the UUIDs around for those entries in fstab
[20:28] <GitNick> harishkrupo: Nothing. But I found a workaround (hopefully I didn't break something else) This whole problem was caused by an out of control devicemapper image. Finally figured out a way to clean it up.
[20:28] <harishkrupo> TJ-, grub does not determine the root device from fstab at boot it is passed as a parameter from grub.cfg
[20:28] <edoceo> I'm getting some dependency loop: policykit-1 depends on libpam-systemd; however: Package libpam-systemd:amd64 is not configured yet.
[20:29] <harishkrupo> GitNick, great :)
[20:29] <edoceo> I canno seem to apt-get install anything else now from these dependency problems, not sure how to resolve
[20:29] <sha1sum> TJ-: so right now /home/username/etc/fstab contains the *proper* configuration and /etc/fstab is the old configuration
[20:29] <TJ-> harishkrupo: You misunderstand. 'update-grub' reads fstab and writes the UUID of the root file-system into the entries in grub.cfg
[20:29] <sha1sum> Should I just replace any instance of the old UUID with the new one in grub.cfg?
[20:30] <regedit> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732478/
[20:30] <harishkrupo> TJ-, ok got it :P
[20:30] <Jordan_U> TJ-: No, grub-mkconfig uses grub-probe to determine the UUID of the filesystem currently mounted as '/', it doesn't read the /etc/fstab.
[20:30] <sha1sum> TJ-: or sorry, /home/etc/fstab
[20:30] <ste_> hello - would anyone be able to help me with an issue I'm having when vsync'd games are running in a window and alt-tabbing in this situation is causing a 2-3 second delay before switching? Other windows are incredibly slow to drag around in this situation also, and it appears to be related to ubuntu only
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> ste_: ubuntu version and graphics card chipset?
[20:31] <locksmith2> hiiiii
[20:31] <ste_> ubuntu 15.04 and graphics card is gtx 770.. I have the recommended priopietary drivers installed but it happens on other drivers too
[20:32] <sha1sum> actually I'm going to run the chroot route I think, this grub.cfg file is scary lol
[20:32] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: That would probably do it. Of course you should make a backup copy of the grub.cfg first, and once you are booted in the configuration you want re-run "sudo update-grub" to make sure that you have a proper grub.cfg, rather than just one that happened to work once.
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> ste_: did you have same issue on 14.04?
[20:32] <harishkrupo> sha1sum no just go to the line which starts with linux and then paste the correct uuid
[20:33] <ste_> I couldn't say.. but I don't have this issue in linux mint
[20:34] <histo> regedit: I'm out of ideas to try. Other than verifying the  downloaded firmware update is correct
[20:34] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: well I also noticed that along with the UUID references there are drive and partition number indicators so I don't really want to mess around with all that because they're separate physical devices.
[20:34] <TJ-> sha1sum: As long as you can perform 1 successful *Recovery mode* boot (to root shell) by manually editing the "linux ..." root device entry from the grub boot-time editor to specify the correct root file-system you will then be able to correct the entries in fstab and use update-grub to fix the boot entries for subsequent boots
[20:35] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Those are only used as hints to make searching faster, grub never depends on them and so their values aren't important. (At worst, boot will be ever so slightly slower).
[20:35] <regedit> histo: well it seems so http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/ideapad-u-series-laptops/ideapad-u410/downloads/DS033646
[20:36] <histo> regedit: be nice if they provided a checksum
[20:37] <lisbeth> hey so I am in ubuntu 14.04 installing it alongside windows 7
[20:37] <lisbeth> only I didn't like the partition sizes it recommended and want to partition myself
[20:37] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please file a bug report about this. It's clearly a boot firmware bug, but just like the Samsung bricking bug, we may want to try to avoid users hitting it if we can on our end.
[20:37] <lisbeth> I a in gparted and I changed the ntfs partition down to 989617 mb
[20:37] <lisbeth> *I am
[20:37] <histo> Jordan_U: I thihnk it's more of a hardware bug than a bug with ubuntu or grub
[20:37] <lisbeth> and I am wondering if this operation will erase the ntfs partition?
[20:37] <petrvs> lisbeth: no, but it's not 100% guaranteed safe
[20:38] <petrvs> lisbeth: more like 90%
[20:38] <histo> Jordan_U: the manufacturer has released a fix for his problem. But he can't install it also
[20:38] <lisbeth> what can happen in the 10%
[20:38] <regedit> Jordan_U: how so? what is the ubuntu-end of the bug here
[20:38] <petrvs> lisbeth: loss of data
[20:38] <tgm4883> lisbeth: personally I'd resize the ntfs partition from inside windows
[20:38] <Jordan_U> histo: It's definitely a hardware bug, but so is the samsung bricking bug I mentioned. There is now code in the linux kernel to prevent hitting that bug, as there should be.
[20:38] <petrvs> there's no guarantee from any OS
[20:38] <petrvs> you need to backup data you care about before resizing a partition
[20:39] <tgm4883> petrvs: yes, that is true.
[20:39] <histo> Jordan_U: windows hit the bug not linux btw
[20:39] <petrvs> or embrace the possibility of starting from scratch :)
[20:39] <Jordan_U> regedit: What event initially triggered the bug, if that was easily identifiable?
[20:39] <histo> lisbeth: anytime you are resizing partitions/filesystems you really should backup your essential data first.
[20:40] <lisbeth> What if I said I am 100% sure that the disc is not filled past the point that I am resizing it to?
[20:40] <histo> Jordan_U: what i'm wondering is why fwsetup won't work for him
[20:40] <petrvs> lisbeth: that's not really the issue, although it's obviously another concern
[20:40] <charlytavu> Hi everybody, can someone tell me if there is a possibility to add a script at boot time on a live USB ?
[20:40] <lisbeth> also I am trying to access the files from the live cd so I can back them up and it is not letting me because it says I don't have permission
[20:40] <petrvs> charlytavu: anything is possible in software
[20:40] <lisbeth> I was under the impression that I was root when using a live disc
[20:40] <petrvs> lisbeth: you are
[20:40] <petrvs> lisbeth: what command are you using?
[20:40] <histo> lisbeth: what don't you stop.  Mount the disk read only check how much free space is available and see
[20:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: unfortunately i wasnt expecting this issue (duh) so i dndt pay attention as to when exactly it started happening. all I know is that before installing the 2 OSs i could access BIOS, and after they were installed i couldnt anymore
[20:41] <histo> charlytavu: live usb of what?  the ubuntu installer?
[20:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: and there was a new boot menu option "ubuntu" that didnt used to be there
[20:41] <charlytavu> petrvs, without rebuilding source iso, is it possible ? i've looked at syslinux options but found nothing :/
[20:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: and the other boot menu option "setup" disappeared
[20:42] <Jordan_U> charlytavu: What is your end goal?
[20:42] <lisbeth> nevermind I am installing ubutnu on a usb
[20:43] <petrvs> charlytavu: sure, the ease with which you can accomplish it depends on the image
[20:43] <histo> regedit: can you get to the grub menu?
[20:43] <charlytavu> Jordan_U, histo I'm just trying to execute a script at boot time without rebuilding the iso :)
[20:43] <Jordan_U> regedit: Then that sounds like it's at leat possible that installing Ubuntu triggered the bug in your firmware.
[20:43] <regedit> i probably should have mentioned this earlier; in the list of devices to boot from (upon power on boot menu) the top one is simply "ubuntu". further down the list is the actual drive that has the 2 OSs, and if boot to it i get straight windows (not grub)
[20:43] <Jordan_U> charlytavu: That's not an end goal. What does the script do? What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[20:43] <histo> charlytavu: what does the script do?
[20:43] <charlytavu> changing keymaps, mounting filesystems, etc.. basic configuration
[20:44] <regedit> histo: yep no prob
[20:44] <histo> regedit: So what happens on the grub command line when you type fwsetup
[20:44] <regedit> histo: no such command error
[20:44] <regedit> histo: even after insmod efifwsetup
[20:44] <sha1sum> mmmmk so chrooting into the partition with the proper fstab and running "grub-install" produced a "could not find EFI directory". update-grub2 worked, however, but the system still boots with the wrong partition mount points
[20:45] <lisbeth> so I am installing it in gparted on a usb and It is not showing me the partitions for /dev/sdb
[20:45] <charlytavu> histo, Jordan_U changing keymaps, mounting filesystems, etc.. basic configuration
[20:45] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: You need to mount your EFI System Partition to /boot/efi/ within the chroot.
[20:45] <sha1sum> ahhhh that makes so much sense.
[20:45] <sha1sum> lol
[20:45] <histo> regedit: what version of grub are you running?
[20:46] <sha1sum> OK well it's almost 5:00 here so I'll act like you didn't tell me that until the morning :P
[20:46] <regedit> an important thing i'm trying to figure out is: If I delete the GPT partition and install a legacy msdos/MBR windows installation, will access to bios be restored?
[20:46] <regedit> histo: can i check from within ubuntu?
[20:46] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: can I mount it before chrooting or no?
[20:46] <sha1sum> or does it matter?
[20:46] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please run "sudo modprobe -r efivars && umount /sys/firmware/efi/efivars && modprobe -r efivarfs && modprobe efivarfs && mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars"  (as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Inconsistency_between_efivarfs_and_sysfs-efivars ) and pastebin the output of "find /sys/firmware/efi/" again.
[20:47] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[20:47] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: It doesn't matter when it's mounted, as long as it's mounted before you run grub-install.
[20:48] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: well I'm going to mount a barstool and saddle up to a brew next. I appreciate all of your help!
[20:48] <sha1sum> That goes for everyone else also :)
[20:48] <histo> regedit: dpkg -l | grep grub
[20:48] <regedit> Jordan_U: the first command in that series emits "modprobe: FATAL: Module efivars is builtin."
[20:48] <histo> regedit: disregard the fwsetup patch has been in there since ubuntu 12.04
[20:49] <regedit> histo: ok, yes this is kubuntu 15.04
[20:49] <Jordan_U> regedit: OK, never mind that then :) It's probably safe to assume that no variables would be visible via efivarfs either.
[20:50] <regedit> Jordan_U / histo: would you know about ^ (re. "important thing i'm trying to figure out")
[20:51] <histo> regedit: sudo efibootmgr | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:51] <regedit> histo: that command rings a bell... i've done it before, leme check again
[20:52] <macksting> I'm trying to run a visualization that's got native builds for Mac 10.7 and WinXP. OpenGL3. Am I better off using Wine, or using a Macintosh emulator?
[20:52] <Jordan_U> regedit: My guess would be no, but it can't hurt to try. You shouldn't need a full BIOS Based Windows installation to try, simply having grub-pc on an msdos labeled drive with a single partition containing a boot flag would probably be enough.
[20:52] <regedit> histo: http://termbin.com/9ag3
[20:53] <Jordan_U> regedit: If you file a bug report it's also a good way to get the attention of people who might be familiar with these types of problems, and it will also serve as a place for others having this problem to find information when google searching.
[20:53] <regedit> Jordan_U: hm ok
[20:54] <regedit> Jordan_U: being rather new to a lot of the concepts issues here, would we be able to write the bug description jointly so you can help me formulate the right & succinct details?
[20:54] <freeone3000> After switching users, it seems like Chrome no longer recognizes my keyboard. As is obvious, other applications seem to work fine. What could cause this?
[20:55] <Jordan_U> regedit: Yes.
[20:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: how can we do this, something like collabedit.com/new ?
[20:55] <Jordan_U> regedit: Sure.
[20:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: ok i'll PM you the link...
[20:56] <histo> macksting: I'd try in wine first if all else fails you can get a vm running
[20:56] <freeone3000> Sorry. It appears GNOME applications no longer recognize my keyboard. Opera, Firefox, Chrome, gcalc were tested. Terminal is fine, KDE applications are fine.
[20:56] <macksting> Is there a way to get a VM for this without spending money or violating the law?
[21:00] <Jordan_U> macksting: Something written for XP and openGL has a fair chance of working in wine, perfectly legally. Zero chance of getting a MacOS binary running without OSX, and no legal way to run Windows in a VM without paying for it.
[21:01] <macksting> Jordan_U: Pity. Seems Wine didn't cut it. There's no Macintosh equivalent?
[21:03] <freeone3000> (Please note that Windows VM licenses are not the same as Windows bare metal licenses - certain licenses, such as "Windows Home", cannot be virtualized legally.)
[21:04] <macksting> Noted.
[21:06] <Stevenmcqueeven> hello
[21:06] <Jordan_U> macksting: Have you checked the wine appdb? Have you tried asking about your problem (including relevant output and error messages) in #winehq?
[21:07] <macksting> Jordan_U: Haven't yet. Figured I'd explore what options are available before I commit to problem-solving.
[21:08] <HoloPed> is there a simple guide to use systemd ?
[21:08] <HoloPed> I'm totaly lost
[21:09] <HoloPed> trying to run a script on startup has never been so complex
[21:10] <jootor> I am getting this message when I want to open a partition i created, I was able to enter the partition in the past but now i get this message:'' could not display all the contents found.000':input/output error ''
[21:13] <TJ-> regedit: Have you tried the Lenovo bootable USB UEFI diagnostics toolkit?
[21:13] <Jordan_U> jooncheol: Please pastebin the output of "mount".
[21:14] <macksting> Jordan_U: Though no, this program isn't on the appdb.
[21:15] <Stevenmcqueeven> I have a noob question that you guys probably hate
[21:15] <Stevenmcqueeven> what are some cool things I can do in linux that a beginner can do
[21:18] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Do you mind helping write a bug report description for regedit?
[21:18] <OerHeks> Stevenmcqueeven, i started with cronjobs and writing a conky script, 1001 examples http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2312
[21:19] <Stevenmcqueeven> what do conky scripts do?
[21:19] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: cool how?
[21:19] <regedit> TJ-: no, that sounds very interesting, how do you find all these things! :)
[21:19] <histo> !manual | Stevenmcqueeven
[21:19] <regedit> TJ-: can i PM you a link to a bug me and Jordan_U are writing
[21:20] <TJ-> regedit: see http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds030861
[21:21] <histo> Don't even see his model supported there
[21:21] <Jordan_U> Stevenmcqueeven: run "bb".
[21:21] <Jordan_U> !info bb | Stevenmcqueeven
[21:22] <ImJune> ha ubuntu 15.04 found my card and installed drivers perfectly
[21:22] <regedit> TJ-: interesting that IdeaPad is not listed there
[21:22] <ImJune> 14.04 needs to dissappear
[21:22] <Stevenmcqueeven> histo just things I couldn't quite do with windows or to make things easier for me
[21:23] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: learn about bash and command line interface.
[21:24] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: that manual page I sent you has a section on the terminal etc...
[21:24] <Stevenmcqueeven> Awesome thanks I'll take a look
[21:24] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: it should also answer your questions in the learning more section
[21:25] <acz32> is there any way to have okular not show page thumbnails when i open a pdf?
[21:25] <JohnDoe1972> hey guys i have the iso disk image on usb flash stick . do i need to extracxt it first for it to boot from flash ?
[21:25] <ImJune> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[21:26] <ImJune> this is fouled up
[21:26] <kingeR> Hi, I am looking at these VPS with ubuntu, what kind of access do i get there, how does it look like?
[21:26] <histo> JohnDoe1972: you don't just copy the iso to the thumb drive to boot it. YOu need to write it's contents to the drive
[21:27] <histo> JohnDoe1972: what is the iso of and what operating system are you currently using?
[21:27] <rypervenche> kingeR: If you purchase a VPS with Ubuntu on it, you will likely get root access to the command line.
[21:27] <petrvs> JohnDoe1972: try using http://unetbootin.sf.net/
[21:27] <JohnDoe1972> 14.4 kylie 64 bit
[21:27] <histo> kingeR: full access to the box typically
[21:28] <kingeR> ok, and how will upload stuff, cause i see there is no cpanel for it
[21:28] <Jordan_U> JohnDoe1972: You have two primary options. The most commonly done is to use Ubuntu startup disk creator or Unetbootin, which will extract the iso for you. If for some reason you really don't want the iso extracted, you can install grub to the USB drive and use it to loop boot the iso: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg#How_do_you_use_a_loopback.cfg_to_boot_an_iso.3F
[21:28] <histo> kingeR: manage it using ssh or their provided inteface
[21:28] <histo> !usb | JohnDoe1972
[21:29] <kingeR> histo, I was never much of command line guy, is that too hard to learn. I mean, I know quite a lot stuff on command line, but not it
[21:29] <JohnDoe1972> :/ ok info overload but thx guys
[21:30] <Jordan_U> HoloPed: You can still add a script to the end of /etc/rc.local if you really just want it to run at boot.
[21:30] <histo> kingeR: Why do you want a VPS?
[21:30] <rypervenche> kingeR: If you want something with cPanel, you will need to purchase a VPS with cPanel installed on it. cPanel is not free, so you will likely have to pay extra for the license fee. You can learn how to use SFTP to upload and download files on a server without cPanel.
[21:31] <kingeR> histo: I have bih website, with over 20k articles, and over 1gb of files. rypervenche: I know that, I just asked if it is hard :D
[21:32] <histo> kingeR: I would get a vps that is already setup for hosting if you are not familar with setting it up yourself. Unless you want to learn.
[21:32] <rypervenche> kingeR: "hard" is subjective. I don't think it is hard at all. You just need to learn how to do it.
[21:32] <Jordan_U> HoloPed: If you want to make a proper systemd service file, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html is a good guide.
[21:33] <rypervenche> kingeR: Personally I would never recommend using anything like cPanel. Minimal is usually better in my experience. Only what you need and nothing else. But it all depends on what your needs are and what you are willing to learn and forgo.
[21:33] <kingeR> histo: I want to learn, that's why I am buying it one month earlier then i need it.
[21:33] <regedit> TJ-: sent you the link in PM
[21:33] <macksting> Jordan_U: So yeah, I just looked the matter up, and while it seems there's efforts at a Wine-like Mac environment called Darling, it sounds like there's a lot of work to be done. Anything else seems to require a copy of the OS. I'll go ask in #winehq, since this is firmly a Wine problem at this juncture.
[21:33] <macksting> Jordan_U and histo: Thanks for helping where you could.
[21:33] <Jordan_U> macksting: You're welcome.
[21:33] <TJ-> regedit: sorry, been busy. I've discovered something that might indicate a way to flash at boot-time.
[21:33] <mcphail> kingeR: if you want to upload/download using ssh/sftp, you can do it directly from the ubuntu GUI. Really couldn't be simpler
[21:34] <regedit> TJ-: no apology necessary man :) sounds interesting! please do share
[21:34] <kingeR> rypervenche: I had my fear share with cpanel, f***ing hate it. whenever there is problem have to wait for three days for someone from tech support
[21:34] <histo> kingeR: digital ocean has some great setup tutorials.  BUt you will need to familiarize yourself with the command line at some point.
[21:34] <TJ-> regedit: Reading some Phoenix SCT documentation for engineers... one phrase jumps out at me: "Phoenix SCT allows Capsule to be stored in the disk GPT partition, rather than in flash RAM, for native restart support."
[21:34] <kingeR> mcphail: thank you, i wasn't sure. I only used ssh for communication from my phone to laptop
[21:35] <TJ-> regedit: source (see page 2, "Non-Volatile Capsule"): http://www.embedded-tools.de/sites/default/files/Phoenix_SecureCore-Mobile.pdf
[21:35] <mcphail> kingeR: it _is_ worth learning some command line stuff, though. Makes life very simple indeed when you get the hang of it
[21:36] <regedit> TJ-: ok so, how would i do that?
[21:37] <Hasov> Hello
[21:37] <Hasov> Anyone from PL?
[21:37] <petrvs> /msg alis list *ubunt*pl
[21:38] <varenik> hi
[21:38] <petrvs> hi
[21:38] <TJ-> regedit: I'm guessing the .cap file is put in the root of the ESP file-system, probably with a special name which I'm trying to discover now. I'm reverse-engineering the .CAP image we have
[21:39] <TJ-> regedit: here's the API, "UpdateCapsule()" in particular is interesting
[21:39] <KowabungaDude^> Need help with rndis networking in Ubuntu 14.04: I have two networking USB rndis devices. When I connect Device1 to the linux laptop an interface eth3 get's created and the device servers dhcp to the laptop. If I unplug Device1 and plug Device2 the same behaviour is observed. If I try to plug both devices, the last one to be connected the interface gets named "rename22", it's down and has no...
[21:39] <KowabungaDude^> ...ip. If I modify /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (http://www.pastebin.ca/3030308) to add another rule similar to the last one it works the first time connected but not afterwards
[21:39] <TJ-> regedit: see http://wiki.phoenix.com/wiki/index.php/EFI_RUNTIME_SERVICES
[21:40] <regedit> TJ-: holy moly they have a wiki for this stuff! now that's what i'm talking about
[21:41] <ImJune> does anyone know of some issues with skype launching on ubuntu 15.04
[21:41] <varenik> cool! What it is the chat?
[21:42] <Hasov> Hello who can help me?
[21:42] <TJ-> regedit: see http://wiki.phoenix.com/wiki/index.php/Boot_Mode
[21:42] <acz32> ImJune: no but check out some superior alternatives: firefox hello or utox
[21:42] <JohnDoe1972> guys could i just mount the iso using deamon lite then copy or extract the files to usb ?
[21:43] <Bashing-om> _KaszpiR_: IF the help is ubuntu related, maybe, ask and see ?
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: What operating system are you running?
[21:43] <JohnDoe1972> 7
[21:43] <ImJune> advertise much
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: use win32 disk imager to write the iso to your usb drive
[21:43] <JohnDoe1972> on desktop
[21:43] <ImJune> because I don't have work contacts on skype or anything
[21:43] <JohnDoe1972> whats wrong with demon line ?
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[21:43] <acz32> ImJune: you consider my recommendation an advertisement? ok...
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: demon line?
[21:44] <acz32> good luck with your microsoft software issue
[21:44] <JohnDoe1972> k thx histo but .. deaone lite
[21:44] <histo> JohnDoe1972: I have no idea what deaone lite is
[21:44] <JohnDoe1972> daemon tools lite
[21:44] <ImJune> you are a moron I know that much
[21:44] <ImJune> like I am trying to install skype for my personal pleasure
[21:45] <TJ-> regedit: Mmmmm! http://wiki.phoenix.com/wiki/index.php/Crisis_Recovery
[21:45] <Jordan_U> ImJune: Please treat people in this channel with respoect.
[21:45] <JohnDoe1972> :)
[21:45] <Hasov> Who can help me with Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 LTS?
[21:45] <histo> ImJune: Are you experiencing a problem with skype?
[21:45] <ImJune> yeah
[21:46] <ImJune> when I sign in it doesn't proceed
[21:46] <ImJune> at all
[21:46] <ImJune> something is broken
[21:46] <Hasov> Hello :v
[21:46] <ubuntu233> Hasov: Share the issue with the channel for help.
[21:46] <ImJune> I will have to skype my coworkers from my phone
[21:46] <histo> ImJune: Perhaps you should have started there. How did you install skype?
[21:46] <ImJune> via the command line
[21:46] <ImJune> sudo apt-get install skype
[21:46] <acz32> ImJune: you're the moron for getting so offended by a recommendation
[21:47] <Hasov> I need a first guide for newbies, i migrated from EL and i want to learn how to use Ubuntu :c
[21:47] <ImJune> you are on ignore
[21:47] <Bashing-om> Hasov: State your issue for the channel .
[21:47] <histo> JohnDoe1972: just use win32 disk imager to write the iso the the drive. It will write the filesystem and everything there.  All data on the drive you are writing to will be lost so backup anything before hand.
[21:47] <Hasov> I know how to use apt-get etc.
[21:47] <KowabungaDude^> Anyone who cold help me with rndis networking in Ubuntu 14.04? I have two networking USB rndis devices. When I connect Device1 to the linux laptop an interface eth3 get's created and the device servers dhcp to the laptop. If I unplug Device1 and plug Device2 the same behaviour is observed. If I try to plug both devices, the last one to be connected the interface gets named "rename22", it's...
[21:47] <JohnDoe1972> !win32diskimager
[21:47] <KowabungaDude^> ...down and has no ip. If I modify /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (http://www.pastebin.ca/3030308) to add another rule similar to the last one it works the first time connected but not afterwards
[21:48] <JohnDoe1972> !win32 disk imager
[21:48] <regedit> TJ-: so it probably keeps recovering the old bios huh?
[21:48] <KowabungaDude^> I don't know much about USB or what to look for
[21:48] <JohnDoe1972> histo, link ?
[21:48] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[21:49] <JohnDoe1972> also will the fact that im on 64 bit upset the 32bit install of my iso >?
[21:49] <kingeR> mcphail: I agree. I am PHP developer, good at Java, medium at C and Assembly... but never got myself around cmmand line
[21:49] <Jordan_U> KowabungaDude^: What do you mean by "rndis"?
[21:49] <histo> Jordan_U: no, but is there a reaosn you aren't using a 64bit iso?
[21:50] <histo> JohnDoe1972: ^^^
[21:50] <histo> Jordan_U: sorry
[21:50] <TJ-> regedit: I think we have a procedure! https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-FLASHING-LAPTOP-DELL-INSPIRON-5323-13Z?pid=55511#pid55511
[21:50] <histo> JohnDoe1972: It won't affect it but why not use the 64bit iso?
[21:51] <histo> s/affect/effect/
[21:51] <JohnDoe1972> its going onto a 32bit laptop
[21:51] <histo> JohnDoe1972: ahh you'll be fine then.
[21:51] <TJ-> regedit: wimbios has a/the crisis tool: https://www.bios-mods.com/bios-recovery/phoenix-bios-recovery/
[21:51] <tgm4883> JohnDoe1972: geez, that must be an old laptop
[21:51] <JohnDoe1972> win32 bit disk manager dosnet install on 64 bit ! :(
[21:52] <KowabungaDude^> Jordan_U: RNDIS is the USB driver developed by Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNDIS
[21:52] <histo> JohnDoe1972: it's a standalone program from what I remember
[21:52] <JohnDoe1972> tgm4883, yess sir
[21:52] <mcphail> kingeR: worth having a trawl through the debian-administration.org archives. Not quite Ubuntu, (and a bit out of date), but a well-written resource. The sit owner works at Bytemark Hosting if you're looking for a VPS provider
[21:52] <Trudko> hi guys I've installed elementary os(based on 14.04 ubuntu) along side with windows but I cant load Windows anymore because of 0xc000000098 error. I ve tried boot-repair but it didnt help this is info from boot repair http://paste2.org/dp1FPLDb
[21:52] <tgm4883> !elementary
[21:53] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download
[21:53] <kingeR> mcphail: I am reseller myself, and i have decent prices, so I will buy it at my own website
[21:54] <mcphail> kingeR: fair enough :) - I have no connection or conflict of interest but know Steve is very helpful
[21:54] <regedit> TJ-: sounds exciting! reading...
[21:54] <TJ-> regedit: I'm checking the 'phlash' tools now to see if the filename they look for is "BIOS.cap" or something else
[21:55] <regedit> TJ-: wait, this is pretty much this solution http://superuser.com/a/813623
[21:55] <regedit> TJ-: with a tiny bit of new variation to try
[21:55] <JohnDoe1972> ive got it with deamon tools lite
[21:55] <regedit> TJ-: and maybe we just need to find the right file name
[21:56] <Trudko> tgm4883: well this is universal problem
[21:56] <histo> JohnDoe1972: you've got what?
[21:57] <Jordan_U> Trudko: This channel only supports Ubuntu, period.
[21:57] <kingeR> mcphail: thank you for that. even i didn't start this to earn, just to save money on my own projects :D
[21:57] <TJ-> regedit: That tool I linked you to, I think that is only legacy BIOS from examining it. We need to find a more recent version that support UEFI
[21:58] <Trudko> ...
[21:59] <regedit> TJ-: oh... is it the same as the one posted on the superuser (mediafire download) link? ^
[21:59] <victor-> is it possible that apparmor is preventing a www-data user to read a directory called 'etc' ?
[21:59] <stevendale> Hey I have a question
[21:59] <ubuntu233> Trudko: That is a bad install, look up uefi, fix windows remove and elementary. I would install ubuntu as in this specific area support is great.
[21:59] <nando293921> ...?
[22:00] <JohnDoe1972> ok guys why is a usb stick being recognised on a 32 bit laptop, and a 64 bit desktop but not on a different 32bit laptop ?
[22:00] <Trudko> ubuntu233: how does removing elementary help me ?
[22:00] <ubuntu233> Trudko: sorry fix winds and remove elementary was the corrrect syntax
[22:00] <stevendale> Does Ubuntu default to using the Ethernet connection even if there’s a Wi-Fi connection, or does it default to the Wi-Fi connection even when there’s an Ethernet connection?
[22:00] <TJ-> regedit: It's worth installing that tool onto a USB and following the boot instructions to see if 1) it'll boot to the flasher and 2) the flasher can recognise how to talk to the host (it would report the discovered FLASH chip types)
[22:01] <TJ-> regedit: if that works then it's worth pursuing, if not, you don't waste time on it
[22:01] <mcphail> stevendale: defaults to a wire if it is plugged in
[22:01] <stevendale> mcphail: Thanks, :) I’ll be going now
[22:01] <ubuntu233> Trudko: It is a bad install, not worth fixing, that is a msdos install ona uefi setup.
[22:03] <ubuntu233> Trudko: As far as I can tell, however, none of this is support, just a comment.
[22:03] <regedit> TJ-: sure i'll try that one again why not
[22:03] <Johnny_Linux> GiterDooooooone!
[22:03] <Jordan_U> regedit: When you do get to filing a bug report, do so by running "ubuntu-bug grub-efi-amd64".
[22:03] <regedit> TJ-: i tried loading the capsule into some "andy" or other Bios-Mods.com tool, it complained that the file was incorrect size or something...
[22:04] <regedit> Jordan_U: ok cool, though i'd really love to hear TJ-'s input on it first
[22:05] <histo> JohnDoe1972: What do you mean recognized?  Like when you plug it in?  or are you trying to boot to it on each machine?
[22:05] <regedit> EriC^^: heya, you there?
[22:06] <JohnDoe1972> histo when i tryed to acces the usb on the laptop i wish to install it , it says it need s to be formatted ! however on other pc's it can be opened without difficulty
[22:07] <gambl0re> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. how do i fix this?
[22:07] <JohnDoe1972> when i try to boot the laptop from usb it just loads windows even though i have the usb key at hte top of the boot order
[22:08] <JohnDoe1972> what file system should be on the usb ?
[22:08] <Trudko> ubuntu233: nvm thanks for your time. I think I look around or just get windows repair drive somehow
[22:08] <JohnDoe1972> fat32 or exfat ?
[22:08] <histo> JohnDoe1972: how'd you put the files there?
[22:08] <ubuntu233> gambl0re: The channel likes pastebinned info, show it all with the commands
[22:08] <histo> JohnDoe1972: I told you your method wouldn't work please use the link I provided you.
[22:08] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download
[22:08] <JohnDoe1972> i mounted the iso then opened a folder to view files,. then copied them to usb
[22:09] <ubuntu233> !pastebin | gambl0re
[22:09] <histo> JohnDoe1972: that won't work use the link I just gave you.
[22:09] <JohnDoe1972> k
[22:10] <TJ-> regedit: Got it! Found the instructions for how to configure a UEFI ESP in order to flash an update! see https://github.com/antonizoon/archivis.me/wiki/Phoenix-UEFI-BIOS-Crisis-Recovery
[22:11] <Jordan_U> TJ-: regedit: I'm leaving for the day, but when you do file a bug report please subscribe me to it (JordanU on launchpad.net).
[22:11] <regedit> TJ-: you are impossibly tenacious and resourceful
[22:11] <ubuntu233> Trudko: Looks like W8, it has built in reloads of the OS with the data saved or a fresh install.
[22:11] <regedit> Jordan_U: will do, thanks muchly for the help!
[22:11] <TJ-> regedit: UEFI looks on boot media for a script to run, rather like MS-DOS used to look for autoexec.bat. In this case for UEFI the standard mandates a file named startup.nsh instead. In that (text) file you put one line that calls the firmware's flashing EFI module with the path to the new firmware image
[22:11] <Jordan_U> regedit: You're welcome :)
[22:12] <jonubuntu> Tried installing Ubuntu with a usb drive yesterday, but it kept putting the boot stuff on the thumb drive instead of the server HD. Anyone know how to work around this? Maybe I should use a different USB mount software?
[22:13] <regedit> TJ-: ok hang on so, what are the actual steps to take here please?
[22:13] <gambl0re> this is the error message https://gist.github.com/crazyboy867/6cf65f215191760864d4
[22:13] <jonubuntu> was using universal usb installer
[22:13] <gambl0re> pplease help guys thanks
[22:13] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Which reminds me, if that fails we may be able to load UEFI shell from grub and do interesting things from there.
[22:13] <gambl0re> what is this broken packages they are talking about?
[22:14] <JohnDoe1972> hiso whats persistance ? is it like a cache limit ?
[22:14] <ubuntu233> jonubuntu: It must ask where grub goes or have an area this is chosen, you can easily put grub where you want it after an install.
[22:15] <k1l> gambl0re: any PPAs involved? or other packages manually installed?
[22:15] <TJ-> regedit: OK, I got over-excited there! The key files may not be built-in modules, and may not be publicly available (easily) but I'm digging. See the Phoenix documentation on their ShellFlash: http://www.aures-support.fr/DATA/drivers/YUNO-%20Driver/ShellFlash_SCT_UG_v1.5.29.pdf?dl=0
[22:15] <TJ-> regedit: For now I suggest you just collect and save all these URLs and save the pages locally for reference :)
[22:15] <jonubuntu> @ubuntu233 During the final part where it does the grub install do I say "No"? Will it let me choose the drive then? The text says it uses the first drive by default.
[22:15] <DAnCoor> May I ask... I just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 and noticed I haven't one single row in /var/log/syslog ever since... anyone know if log has been discontinued?
[22:15] <gambl0re> i installed many thins
[22:15] <gambl0re> npm, nodejs, ember-cli
[22:16] <jonubuntu> I've never moved the grub install location before
[22:16] <k1l> gambl0re: try to run a "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:16] <regedit> TJ-: where can i get this shellflash utility?
[22:16] <gambl0re> ok
[22:16] <k1l> gambl0re: so that is all 3rd party stuff?
[22:16] <TJ-> regedit: OK, found public files for you: ftp://ftp.icg.eu/Drivers/BeatlePOS/D2550/BiosTool/Phoenix/EFI_Shell/Release/v<IP_ADDRESS>/
[22:16] <gambl0re> yea
[22:16] <TJ-> regedit: We might have everything you need now
[22:17] <TJ-> regedit: I need coffee... be back soon
[22:17] <k1l> gambl0re: well, than it might be that its just rubbish put together from the guy who did that 3rd party packages.
[22:17] <kostkon> DAnCoor, obviously it hasn't
[22:17] <ubuntu233> jonubuntu: Use tab tab to complete nicks, I don't know what download you're using, however any install has this option, so yes sounds like you follow the text.
[22:17] <gambl0re> it worked before...
[22:18] <gambl0re> i installed nodejs and npm using apt-get
[22:18] <gambl0re> then i uninstalled apt-get and then nodejs
[22:18] <regedit> TJ-: enjoy! le'me know when you're back what happens next, i got the files
[22:18] <gambl0re> then i was able to reinstall nodejs but not npm
[22:18] <drewx0r> DAnCoor, this is the only relevant thing i could find
[22:18] <drewx0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2278206
[22:18] <k1l> uninstalled apt-get?
[22:18] <JohnDoe1972> hey guys can someone explain the linux live usb creator step 3 : Persistance ?
[22:18] <gambl0re> uninstalled npm and nodejs
[22:18] <gambl0re> using aptget
[22:19] <gambl0re> its gonna take 6 hours to for dist-upgrade?
[22:19] <DAnCoor> drewx0r: thank you, well... need to search why it's gone then... :-)
[22:19] <k1l> gambl0re: and npm is from a 3rd party manual install?
[22:19] <k1l> gambl0re: well, run the dist-upgrade first. that will bring you all the needed updates
[22:19] <gambl0re> you could have told me that dist-upgrade is gonna take 6 hours
[22:20] <gambl0re> i already ran the apt-get update
[22:20] <k1l> gambl0re: i could not have known, that you dont have all the recent updates installed!!
[22:20] <jonubuntu> @ubuntu233 Thanks! I found the procedure to move grub too. Looks pretty easy; If that doesn't work I'll try a new install. Thanks again
[22:20] <gambl0re> you could have cautioned me
[22:20] <gambl0re> atleast
[22:20] <k1l> gambl0re: apt-get update doesnt install udates. it just gets the list with new packages
[22:20] <gambl0re> could i just cancel whatever its doing now and do it another time?
[22:20] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: It is a extra file syatem to save changes in the OS.
[22:21] <k1l> gambl0re: sorry but that is server-basics.
[22:21] <k1l> gambl0re: installing the updates is mandatory.
[22:21] <k1l> !apt-get | gambl0re
[22:21] <Ben64> theres no way it should take 6 hours though
[22:21] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu233, will the rest of the usb be avail to stor upon as the persistance file is only 4gb in size
[22:21] <k1l> read yourself in the basics in the meantime
[22:21] <gambl0re> can i cancel the update?
[22:22] <gambl0re> without causing any damage?
[22:22] <k1l> gambl0re: you need the updates
[22:22] <k1l> do it now
[22:22] <gambl0re> ill do it later on.
[22:22] <ubuntu233> jonubuntu: Cool, you don;t need to move it, but just get a terminal in the server and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX  X is the HD.
[22:22] <k1l> gambl0re: not having the recent updates can block installation of new software.
[22:23] <Maca> hola?
[22:24] <Maca> D:
[22:24] <Maca> necesito ayuda?
[22:24] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: You can actually make a casper-rw partition, and have a persistance as big as you want. But live has it limitations, adding casper in this context I would not know. Not sure really what your question entails.
[22:24] <k1l> !ar | Maca
[22:24] <Ben64> !es | Maca
[22:24] <Ben64> oops
[22:25] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu233, well , what i mean is that when i boot into ubuntu from 64gb usb wil the remaining 60 gb be asccessable to me to write to ?
[22:26] <Maca> hello?????
[22:27] <JohnDoe1972> hello
[22:27] <masharp_> Hallo!
[22:27] <Maca> español?
[22:27] <TJ-> regedit: I'm creating a USB image for you to try, give me 10 minutes
[22:27] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: Ah, write to, wide question is all. You can have the usb iso on  a small partition and have the rest partitioned and openable from the live yes.
[22:27] <k1l> Maca: this channel is english only. see the bots messages for other languages
[22:27] <Bashing-om> DAnCoor: 15.04 uses the init system systes, and logging is a function of sais 'systemd'. What returns from terminal command ' journalctl ' ?
[22:28] <JohnDoe1972> the persistance file is just for changes to the os correct ?
[22:28] <Maca> gracias kill!
[22:28] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: Yeah exactly the live, say you add apps, or do an update....etc.
[22:29] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: Acts basically like an install, however it is the iso still, kernel updates are not good generally.
[22:30] <DAnCoor> drewx0r: thank you... your link cleared this out for me...
[22:30] <Bashing-om> DAnCoor: As one intro to systemd : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal
[22:31] <regedit> TJ-: awesome!
[22:31] <DAnCoor> Bashing-om: Thanks ... I'll read that link
[22:33] <drewx0r> DAnCoor, glad to help, and I'll keep it in mind whenever I finally have to upgrade my unit's computers from 12.04.
[22:34] <ImJune> W: Failed to fetch http://jp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en  Hash Sum mismatch
[22:35] <ImJune> hmm
[22:36] <DAnCoor> drewx0r: Well... I somewhat wish I never upgraded, but well... Now I'll have some catch up to do... :-)
[22:38] <drewx0r> my users' experience with 14.04 kept me clinging to 12.04 LTS. I'm still hanging on.
[22:38] <ImJune> hang on yeah
[22:39] <ImJune> there is something really wrong with 14 and 15
[22:39] <k1l> ImJune: that message appears when the servers are syncing and the packages are not matching the hashes from the list. just give it some time
[22:42] <DAnCoor> I had trouble from every dist upgrade last 3 times... Last time I figured out that since I wasn't used "sudo" from the beginning, when I start using sudo there was some missing in PATH that made my dist-upgrade crash every time... now from 14.10 I didn't use sudo (run from root) upgrade went through smoothless....
[22:44] <k1l> DAnCoor: the upgrades get automated testings, so if you dont change too much on your system manually, that should work like a charm. and i dont get what you mean with sudo vs. root
[22:44] <JohnDoe1972> guys i used ubuntu a couple of years ago and it was FASTTT. Kaylin seems REALLY slow in comparison !
[22:45] <histo> JohnDoe1972: what is kaylin?
[22:45] <JohnDoe1972> also the recycle bin folder on the desktop is in japanseese / chineese ?
[22:45] <JohnDoe1972> kylin
[22:45] <JohnDoe1972> ubunto 14.04.2
[22:45] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: kylin is the chineese version of ubuntu. why you use that?
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> its whats on the ubunto download pake
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> page
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> sigh
[22:46] <DAnCoor> k1l: I never want to upgrade manually... that's why I upgraded to 14.10 because I needed the "mangle" file in shorewall newer release
[22:46] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: so you use a chineese version and wonder why its chineese?
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> ive just wasted the last hour
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> i dint know it weas the chineese version
[22:47] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: use the plain ubuntu version.
[22:47] <JohnDoe1972> its stupid shit like this why i stoped using ubuntu in the first place
[22:47] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[22:47] <histo> JohnDoe1972: You're the one who chose to download the chinese version without reading whatever link you followed.
[22:48] <histo> JohnDoe1972: I don't see why this would stop you from using ubuntu?
[22:48] <JohnDoe1972> also why is it so slow ? im booting from usb. that should be like ssd speeds surely ! well not quite but faster than normal hhd
[22:48] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: you are making that too difficult. get the regular ubuntu iso. put it onto a usb or dvd like the official tutorial says, try it.
[22:48] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: no, usb is slow.
[22:48] <histo> JohnDoe1972: The read and write speed of usb is pretty slow
[22:48] <JohnDoe1972> faster then hdd !
[22:49] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: everything needs to be loaded into the ram. and most usb drives are very very very very very slow. just get the facts instead of blaming ubuntu
[22:49] <JohnDoe1972> i used ubuntu 12 and it was FAST !
[22:49] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: do you know the read and write speeds of that usb?
[22:49] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: then make a real install.
[22:51] <DAnCoor> k1l: Actually, when I moved from Mandrake to Ubuntu, I did the misstake to skip the "sudo" and continued using root... when I suddenly followed the instructions and did an dist-upgrade with sudo it stopped on libc and dev-libc upgrade... kind of loop problem.... appearantly sudo was missing some relevant path's to /sbin etc
[22:51] <JohnDoe1972> then im going to have to do the god damn live usb creator again
[22:51] <bazhang> no cursing here JohnDoe1972
[22:51] <JohnDoe1972> why ?
[22:51] <k1l> !guidelines | JohnDoe1972 that is why
[22:52] <bazhang> JohnDoe1972, a usb live will never be even a little close to hdd speeds
[22:52] <JohnDoe1972> isnt that a bit draconian ? i thought the web was where people could express themselves any way they wished !
[22:53] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I have a quick question if I were to install another ubuntu OS over my current one will it save my files similar how windows will store them in windows.old folder?
[22:53] <JohnDoe1972> not to be controled by some power hungry  anonomous person who thinks god damn is a curse
[22:53] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: stop all that. if you just want to rant start a blog. this channel is for ubuntu support according to the guidelines.
[22:54] <histo> Demon_Jester: what is your current os?
[22:54] <bazhang> Demon_Jester, there should be an option to preserve the home
[22:54] <Demon_Jester> histo: xubuntu, and I will be install ubuntu server over it
[22:55] <Demon_Jester> bazhang: If my directory is in home will that guarantee that my files won't be deleted, or are all my files no matter what are in /home directory?
[22:55] <bazhang> at least for a desktop install, no idea about server
[22:56] <bazhang> try in #ubuntu-server about that Demon_Jester
[22:56] <Demon_Jester> bazhang, ok thanks
[22:58] <TJ-> regedit: let's take this private since it's not strictly Ubuntu now :)
[22:58] <onanymous> hello
[22:58] <Azaziah_> Hi! I',m trying to make backups of broken Win install with Ubuntu CD and wanted to use the LIVE feature, but it opens in GRUB instead
[22:59] <onanymous> i use a backbox :)
[23:00] <k1l> onanymous: then #backbox (or wherever they have a support channel)  is the right place :)
[23:00] <DalekSec> #backbox on irc.autistici.org/6667 to be precise.
[23:01] <onanymous> oke thx
[23:02] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: you have a link to the download of the iso
[23:03] <ubuntu233> basically what your booting with live
[23:04] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: I have ubuntu 10 from some years ago, it boots to grub_rescue console..Im pretty sure this used to work with Live..
[23:04] <k1l> Azaziah_: uh, that is very old. i would try a 14.04 or 15.05 to boot into live
[23:05] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: does it boot to the live from any of the choices?
[23:05] <ubuntu233> +1 on a updated release
[23:07] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: I set the laptop to boot from CD and it goes straight to grub rescue mode.. I should probaby try  to remake my backup solution if there is no easy way to fix this..
[23:11] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: There is a per-session boot, mine is f12, my bios screen has a notation of this, try the cd from there if you can. Could youhave modified this cd to go to grub?
[23:12] <Azaziah_> My best quess is that the CD may thinks Acers hidden recovery partition is Ubuntu install or something?
[23:13] <educacionit> how do i sudo?
[23:13] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: Without dragging this out further, I would try the per-session, I have seen the  bios bypass cd/usb's first listed
[23:14] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: I trie'd that also but it does the same.. I don't think I have touched the CD myself, but maybe Ubuntu automatically edited it once I actually installed it on one HDD?
[23:15] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: I would get a supported media like 14.04....etc
[23:16] <al2o3-cr> educacionit: how'd do you mean?
[23:17] <educacionit> al2o3-cr: how do i use sudo?
[23:18] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: Okay then, thank you for the support and have a nice day! :)
[23:18] <ubuntu233> np
[23:18] <al2o3-cr> educacionit: sudo command ?
[23:19] <al2o3-cr> unless i'm missing what you really mean
[23:21] <ubuntu233> !sudo | educacionit
[23:33] <afflicto> Hi. I'm taking a lot of screenshots (and uploading to imgur) with shutter. But I wish it was automated (screenshot, upload, get URL to clipboard). Does anyone know of any alternatives that provide that?
[23:34] <FuZi0N> i was running an installer script and my ssh session timed out but the script is still running, how can i restore my sceen to resume the interactive installer?
[23:37] <psusi> FuZi0N, what is "an installer script"?
[23:37] <psusi> you have to have run it under screen to begin with and then can reattach using screen.. iirc, do-release-upgrade does this automatically
[23:39] <FuZi0N> i wasn't running it under screen, is there any way to restore it?
[23:39] <bazhang> FuZi0N, debian is not supported here
[23:39] <bazhang> keep in #debian FuZi0N
[23:39] <FuZi0N> ok
[23:45] <qmr2> ii  php5-mysql                                            5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.9                               amd64        MySQL module for php5
[23:45] <qmr2> ^ why does phpinfo() not show mysql support?  ubuntu 14.04
[23:46] <tvx> has Ubuntu gotten any better in regards to (a) hardware detection, (b) being able to view lots of images over a local network?
[23:47] <tvx> though i am a beginner to Linux i am unhappy with Manjaro and the seeming (from my perpective) difficulties it has resolving dependencies when using the genric add/remove software program.
[23:48] <grunhart> Using Lubuntu atm. Manjaro is cool but... Better safe than sorry.


[00:01] <Shadow__X> oh ok. wanted to make sure i wasnt missing something
[13:59] <goibhniu> Hmm .. I'd like to submit a simple patch to the theme but I can't find the repo .. If someone happens to know where I can find /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/htmls/ that would be great, otherwise I'll just submit a bug
[15:03] <Seeker`> Hmm, would it be a good idea to add python-urlgrabber to the build-deps for mythtv, seeing as it is required for the python bindings, which is in turn required for the metadata grabbing
[16:08] <lautriv> hello, anyone installed mythdroid and/or mythtv-mdd ?
[16:09] <goibhniu> hi lautriv, I've used mythdroid
[16:11] <lautriv> goibhniu, i installed it a few times ago and got the mdd managed yesterday. but if i browse videos, i see only the directories and no content. any idea ?
[16:13] <goibhniu> sorry, I don't know what the mdd is
[16:13] <goibhniu> mythdroid is just a remote though, right?
[16:14] <lautriv> goibhniu, some perl-addons for front/backend which claims between OSD (LCD) and sends this info to the mythdroid.
[16:14] <goibhniu> sorry
[16:14] <goibhniu> it's "mythmote" I'm thinking of
[16:15] <lautriv> yes, the mythdroid itself is just remote-control via network. but it needs to get some information back (via this fake-LCD)
[16:18] <goibhniu> you may have better luck in the mythtv-users channel
[16:18] <lautriv> goibhniu, i'm there too :)
[16:27] <goibhniu> ah ok, it sounds pretty amazing actually, I might have to try it out :)


[00:09] <adam_g> win 14
[04:57] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provision-machines r291 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:57] <_mup_> Addressed review comments


[03:59] <glick> hello
[03:59] <glick> excuse me is there any tool that will turn an html book into a nice pdf book?
[04:00] <mpt> glick, find a Mac and choose File > Print > Preview? :-)
[04:02] <glick> this is one long book
[04:02] <glick> the java virtual machine specification
[04:02] <glick> it consists of several cross referenced files and stuff
[04:04] <mgalvin> glick: you could, html2ps then ps2pdf
[04:04] <mgalvin> that might work
[04:04] <glick> mgalvin, does that cover multiple html files?
[04:05] <mpt> ahh, multiple files
[04:05] <mpt> probably not
[04:05] <glick> igs a book across multiple files
[04:05] <mgalvin> meaning will it determine what pages are linked and follow the links?
[04:05] <mgalvin> prob not
[04:06] <mgalvin> but its worth trying
[04:06] <mpt> mgalvin, I think just concatenating the files into one PDF would do
[04:06] <glick> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/vmspec/
[04:06] <glick> thats the book
[04:06] <mgalvin> mpt: good point
[04:06] <mgalvin> that may work
[04:15] <mpt> awesome
[04:16] <mpt> htmldoc is available under the GPL <http://www.htmldoc.org/>
[04:16] <mpt> if you want a binary, that costs you $49.95 <http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/>
[04:17] <mpt> "Free binaries may be available elsewhere - search Google to find them."
[04:17] <mpt> ha
[04:18] <mpt> glick, install the htmldoc package from Universe
[04:19] <mpt> that should do what you want
[04:20] <glick> hehe
[04:20] <glick> thanks
[04:28] <mgalvin> sweet, i gotta keep that one handy too :)
[04:28] <mgalvin> good find
[04:33] <glick> nice!
[04:33] <glick> works like a charm
[04:33] <glick> thanks
[05:51] <LaserJock> rob^: have you heard from Unfrgiven  about the packaging guide?
[06:53] <jsgotangco> hello
[06:53] <Burgundavia> salut
[06:53] <jsgotangco> jdub, ping?
[07:02] <jdub> jsgotangco: pong
[07:02] <jsgotangco> jdub, sonia called me up an hour ago, wants to finalize things
[07:03] <jsgotangco> wants to know who's coming
[07:04] <jsgotangco> and other stuff
[07:06] <jdub> jsgotangco: uuugh
[07:06] <jdub> jsgotangco: jane is tlking to her too
[07:06] <jdub> jsgotangco: probably best for you to email jane
[07:07] <jsgotangco> ok i'll email silbs
[07:09] <jsgotangco> jdub, i couldn't understand sonia that much i was in a cellphone, but she metioned she talked to silbs as well...anyway thanks
[08:16] <rob^> does anyone know who the freenode contact is for Ubuntu?
[08:16] <jsgotangco> why?
[08:16] <jsgotangco> your nickmask?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> rob^, I believe it is Dennis K, or Seveas
[08:16] <rob^> jsgotangco, how did you guess?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> rob^, ask Seveas
[08:17] <rob^> Burgundavia, thats what I thought, but I know jdub owns the chans on here so it could also be him
[08:19] <Belutz> jsgotangco, may i pm you for a minute?
[08:20] <jsgotangco> Belutz, sure
[03:24] <bhuvan> what's the purpose of .omf files in our svn repo ?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: those are open meta framework files needed by scrollkeeper
[03:26] <jsgotangco> it enables the doc to be available in yelp
[03:27] <bhuvan> but, only very few documents uses .omf. any specific reason ?
[03:30] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: its useful if you want to see your document in Yelp or Khelpcenter for example
[03:31] <jsgotangco> there's a better explanation in the help page of creating scrollkeeper files in yelp
[03:32] <bhuvan> ok, i'll check, thankx
[03:32] <jjesse> morning
[03:42] <jbailey> Oh, deos khelpcentre also do .omf?
[03:43] <jsgotangco> jbailey: sure its also scrollkeeper aware anyways
[03:43] <jbailey> Cool.
[03:47] <Ophiocus> hi there just to let you know 1) ubuntu started guide is awesome and 2) theres a typo for the link on step six in http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#sect-dhcp-server
[03:48] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:49] <jsgotangco> can you file a bug on that?
[03:49] <Ophiocus> bugzilla you mean?
[03:50] <jsgotangco> you can use malone if you want
[03:50] <bhuvan> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:50] <jsgotangco> but bugzilla is preferred
[03:53] <Belutz> jsgotangco, are you busy?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> i'm about to sleep early sure i have a minute or two for you :)
[03:54] <Belutz> ok, i pm you
[03:59] <Ophiocus> done
[06:10] <bhuvan> good night
[07:35] <highvoltage> where is everyone!?
[07:36] <Madpilot> home with a cold, in my case
[07:36] <Madpilot> I should be at work
[07:45] <highvoltage> Madpilot: whatever you do, don't stay in bed. that's the biggest mistake people make.
[07:45] <highvoltage> if you have a cold, you should take it easy, but also get some fresh air.
[07:45] <highvoltage> if you stay in bed, you basically end up lying in a pool of your own germs.
[07:46] <Madpilot> I'm huddled with tea in front of the computer right now, that's a step above being in bed, I guess :)
[07:46] <Madpilot> going to go out for a walk later, unless it starts raining again
[07:53] <judax> greetings
[07:53] <highvoltage> Madpilot: any idea where your brother is?
[07:54] <highvoltage> hi judax
[07:54] <judax> hiya
[08:43] <Madpilot> highvoltage: probably at work
[09:53] <mdke> evening
[09:54] <keyboardMash> hi mdke
[09:54] <highvoltage> hi md
[09:54] <highvoltage> ke
[09:54] <mdke> :)
[09:54] <Madpilot> hi
[09:57] <mdke> Madpilot, following the King Bahamut business?
[09:57] <mdke> i just got some replies from him
[09:57] <Madpilot> the new wiki?
[09:57] <mdke> yeah
[09:58] <mdke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81666
[09:58] <mdke> start at post 25 on that thread
[09:58] <Madpilot> Bahamut - that name came up w/ one of the folks a few months ago who was moving huge chunks of the existing wiki around without talking to anyone, too...
[09:59] <mdke> yes
[10:00] <highvoltage> a woman just said "open sores" on oprah. i almost got excited and thought she said "open source.
[10:01] <Madpilot> King Bahamut is fond of his hyperbole, isn't he?
[10:02] <Madpilot> ... and I see that Steve Myer is mentioned, too...
[10:03] <rob1> ok, I have a new nick now..
[10:04] <rob1> that caret couldn't be used in a hostmask
[10:04] <mdke> highvoltage, lol
[10:04] <rob1> ok, off to work now..
[10:04] <mdke> bye rob1
[10:04] <mdke> Madpilot, yes, it looks like we're fighting a losing battle there
[10:04] <jjesse> wow what a crazy thread on that wiki
[10:05] <rob1> eh another duplicate resource..
[10:05] <Madpilot> it's insane, really... if Myers had just dropped a note to the list and talked about what he was planning, it would have worked out.... bleh...
[10:09] <mdke> correct
[10:09] <mdke> in fact I emailed him privately
[10:09] <mdke> and got no response
[10:10] <Madpilot> and several people left notes on his wiki user page or on some of the other pages he created, too
[10:10] <mdke> yes
[10:10] <mdke> I left one
[10:10] <mdke> both that and my email were extremely conciliatory
[10:11] <mdke> perhaps we can catch him on #ubuntu-gwos
[10:12] <Madpilot> with all of 4 people there...
[10:13] <mdke> i pinged im
[10:19] <mdke> ok
[10:19] <mdke> forget it
[10:19] <mdke> his last post was simply rude
[10:23] <Madpilot> very strange...
[10:23] <mdke> yeah
[10:23] <mdke> well these things happen
[10:24] <mdke> i just thought I'd try and build some bridges ;)
[10:24] <mdke> since I've failed, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it
[10:24] <mdke> odd chap that
[10:25] <Madpilot> I've encountered ppl like that elsewhere on the web - they won't play in anyone else's sandbox, they've got to have total control, and sulk when they don't have it...
[10:25] <Madpilot> the name-calling hyperbole fits right in to the same mold...
[10:26] <mdke> well for someone who writes documentation, he has a strange way of writing :D
[10:53] <jjesse> Madpilot: we have someone who is like that on the doc team :)
[10:53] <Madpilot> hmm?
[10:56] <mdke> nah, he's not so bad
[10:56] <mdke> :)
 Corey can be a bit like that, but he's growing out of it... and I'm allowed to say that, because he's my younger brother :P
[10:59] <mdke> he didn't mean corey
[10:59] <Kinnison> Madpilot: Older-brother's perogative eh :-)
[10:59] <Madpilot> Kinnison: absolutely :)
[11:00] <mdke> heh
[11:00] <Madpilot> Much to his frustration, Corey remains an inch or so shorter than I am
[11:00] <mdke> what age gap?
[11:00] <Madpilot> 4 years
[11:01] <mdke> ahh


[05:01] <Brice__> Hello.
[05:01] <valorie> hi Brice__
[05:02] <valorie> welcome to the washington channel
[05:02] <Brice__> Thank you.
[05:03] <Brice__> Does this LoCo still meet?
[05:03] <valorie> we haven't met as such for a few months
[05:03] <valorie> but lots of us were at Linuxfest Northwest, where we had a booth
[05:04] <valorie> very successful -- I burned loads of CDs
[05:07] <Brice__> I didn't learn about LinuxFest until too late, unfortunately. I hope to go next year.
[05:08] <valorie> it was a lot of fun
[05:08] <valorie> now we're trying to get a geeknik together
[05:09] <valorie> you should join the launchpad team and the list or forum
[05:09] <valorie> get plugged in
[05:09] <Brice__> Okay. What are the commitments of being a member?
[05:10] <valorie> commitments?
[05:10] <valorie> ummm -- following the code of conduct, I guess
[05:11] <valorie> that was no problem for me -- that's what drew me to the community in the first place
[05:11] <Brice__> Cool. I think I will join.
[05:12] <Brice__> How often do you meet?
[05:12] <valorie> I'm down with meeting whenever people will show up
[05:13] <valorie> I live out near Black Diamond, so I want to know that there will be somebody before I hop in the car and drive an hour.....
[05:13] <valorie> but heck, I'd go to Olympia or beyond if there are people to meet up with
[05:14] <valorie> I enjoy people face to face, not just in IRC
[05:14] <valorie> :-)
[05:14] <Brice__> Okay. I'll definately think about it.
[05:14] <Brice__> I've got to go now. Bye.
[05:14] <valorie> bye!
[05:14] <valorie> nice meeting you
[05:14] <Brice__> You too.