[01:23] <jrib> why is the channel +Rr?
[01:23] <Xoris> clones earliers
[01:24] <jrib> still a problem?
[01:24] <Xoris> not for some dozens of minutes, that i could see
[01:25] <jrib> I'll -r since -unregged is starting to fill up
[01:26] <Xoris> i think tomaw set it, maybe he knows whether the r's may still be needed?
[01:26] <tomaw> remove it
[01:27] <tomaw> spambots earlier and I forgot to remove the modes, sorry
[01:29] <jrib> np
[03:55] <ubotu> hwilde called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:56] <ubotu> hwilde called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:38] <ubotu> Music_Shuffle called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:48] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:49] <Myrtti> ubotu needs a magic 8-ball function
[07:57] <elkbuntu> i thought it had one
[07:57] <Myrtti> it does?
[07:58] <Seveas> magic8ball is Myrtti crazy?
[07:58] <Seveas> forgot syntax :/
[07:59] <Myrtti> @magic8 will I get a good nights sleep tonight?
[07:59] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[07:59] <Myrtti> -->
[07:59] <Seveas> @magic8ball is Myrtti crazy?
[07:59] <ubotu> Of course
[07:59] <Seveas> there we go
[08:12] <intelikey> what can be done about removing a ban on a b class in #kubuntu ?
[09:25] <flaccid> hi everyone. i've been trying to get a ban removed for months with no success. the ban is in #kubuntu and it seems there is nobody to talk to about it
[09:25] <flaccid> was wondering if someone here is alive that can help
[09:25] <Myrtti> I'm marginally alive but I can't help, sorry
[09:27] <flaccid> seems noone can
[09:31] <ubotu> undead called the ops in #kubuntu
[09:31] <flaccid> hmm thanks ubotu
[09:32] <flaccid> maybe Jucato or someone is around
[10:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please dont spread rubbish
[10:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: Dont think that just because you broke your machine with it, that people in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #edubuntu, and #xubuntu arent going to help you. No matter how you broke your machine, those channels are there to help you.
[10:14] <Hobbsee> that is incorrect.  people who have used automatix get sent to the automatix forums for support.
[10:52] <flaccid> what did nixternal do wrong?
[10:52] <flaccid> oh you are defending automatix, Hobbsee?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> flaccid: no
[10:54] <Hobbsee> flaccid: just pointing out that we dont provide support for it in the userland channels.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> !automatix | nixternal
[10:54] <ubotu> nixternal: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[10:54] <flaccid> oh that factoid
[10:54] <flaccid> its been like that since i can remember
[10:55] <Hobbsee> it's changed recently, with the analysis.  but we still dont provide support for it, and nixternal is saying taht we do.
[10:55] <flaccid> oh
[10:55] <flaccid> i thought he was on the other side
[10:56] <Hobbsee> he's all for the "try to get along" side
[10:56] <flaccid> heh no worries. i hate automatix...
[10:56] <flaccid> automatix is a fork of the objectives of an OS that is package based...
[10:57] <flaccid> why not build on base to provide a proper facility
[10:57] <Hobbsee> well, it'd be good if it wasnt smoking large amounts of crack
[10:57] <Hobbsee> and i dislike arnieboy greatly, due to him saying that all ubuntu developers are crack, that he's god, that he wrote the thing which makes people come to ubuntu, etc
[10:57] <flaccid> or if it gave me the crack to smoke instead
[10:58] <flaccid> basically people always talk it up without citing anything specific to back up their claims. welcome to earth :)
[10:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's hard to document the irc logs and all teh commands needed to unscrew teh system.
[11:00] <flaccid> yeah. im generally sick of citing physical evidence on irc to back up my arguments, only to have the arguee state that 'im wrong and full of shit' or whatever
[11:00] <flaccid> then other people back that person up because who they are despite the fact they are wrong and have nothing to prove otherwise
[11:00] <Hobbsee> just kickban 'em.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[11:00] <flaccid> im not an operator, simply a helper that devotes time to open source and has to put up with the ignorant ones
[11:01] <flaccid> im here trying to get a ban removed on myself.. oh that was set by an op that doesn't even help
[11:02] <PriceChild> flaccid, what channel?
[11:03] <flaccid> #kubuntu
[11:04] <flaccid> or wherever i am if you talking about helping
[11:04] <PriceChild> that's why i couldn't find it... was only typing one 'c'
[11:04] <PriceChild> *looks*
[11:04] <flaccid> danke
[11:04] <flaccid> its<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <PriceChild> Yup
[11:05] <PriceChild> flaccid, are you aware of the Code of Conduct that we follow in #*ubuntu* channels?
[11:05] <flaccid> i help at work, i go home, im banned heh
[11:05] <flaccid> im aware of the COC more than the person who banned me...
[11:05] <PriceChild> flaccid, you were banned for telling someone to shut then *ahem* up.
[11:06] <flaccid> one can be driven to such extremes when pushed
[11:06] <PriceChild> The intarwebs aren't worth getting worked up about.
[11:06] <flaccid> perhaps if LjL has some respect for me, that wouldn't of happened
[11:07] <PriceChild> If it ever gets that bad again you should just step away from the keyboard and go grab a drink and relax away from it.
[11:07] <flaccid> yeah i tell myself that everyday
[11:07] <flaccid> everyone has their moment of rage
[11:07] <flaccid> but before that time i had been helping in the channel for over 2 years without running into somebody like that
[11:07] <PriceChild> So if I unban you, you promise to watch your language? :)
[11:07] <flaccid> if you have a log, i'd like to read it
[11:08] <PriceChild> https://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi?query=hardtrance.biz&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[11:08] <flaccid> i don't need to promise anything, like i said everyone has their time of rage
[11:08] <flaccid> making a promise would be unrealitic, but at the same time like i said, i don't act like that ever
[11:08] <PriceChild> flaccid, Please promise... just for me? We ask all users to abide by the CoC and IRC guidelines in our channels.
[11:09] <flaccid> i promise just for you, nobody else
[11:10] <Hobbsee> flaccid: if you're raging, you should step away from the keyboard.  you should not require others to gag you
[11:10] <Hobbsee> exploit in #ubuntu
[11:10] <flaccid> reading through the log now, its not exactly bad. only warranted a kick imo
[11:11] <flaccid> Hobbsee: yeah sorry mate i know that. im actually an adult with intelligience ! :)
[11:11] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, handled.
[11:12] <PriceChild> flaccid, thanks, the ban is lifted.
[11:12] <flaccid> i really appreciate that PriceChild
[11:12] <flaccid> now the community can get more hours of help that they have not rcvd since may
[11:12] <Hobbsee> flaccid: glad to hear that :)
[11:12] <PriceChild> wooo
[11:17] <flaccid> i guess thats an oxymoron
[11:18] <flaccid> i got no wb in #kubuntu ah well
[11:19] <Tm_T> flaccid: so sad
[11:19] <flaccid> i guess that describes me well :)
[01:43] <Gary> oops, sorry for nickspam :p
[02:13] <stdin> uhh, can we not change !fuse to be about, oh I don't know, fuse?
[02:13] <Tm_T> sure we can
[02:14] <Myrtti> !fuse
[02:14] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:14] <Myrtti> heehhe
[02:14] <Myrtti> lol
[02:14] <Myrtti> that's crap :-D
[02:14] <stdin> that should be added to !ntfs or !ntfs-3g
[02:15] <stdin> I actually hate that !fuse factoid, makes fuse seem like it's only for ntfs, from #kubuntu: "ntfs-3g is successor to fuse?" < ugg
[02:15] <flaccid> i was asking a question, stdin
[02:15] <flaccid> not making a statement
[02:15] <flaccid> there is a big difference
[02:16] <stdin> flaccid: if you see what I just said in #kubuntu, you'll see how I interprated that
[02:16] <flaccid> misinterpretd
[02:17] <stdin> flaccid: even if that's not what you actually meant :)
[02:17] <flaccid> its a question..
[02:17] <flaccid> i know nothing about fuse etc.
[02:17] <stdin> I still think !fuse needs changing
[02:17] <flaccid> i have no idea
[02:17] <flaccid> change it to whatever is right
[02:17] <flaccid> lol
[02:17] <flaccid> i aint touched ntfs for write for some time
[02:18] <stdin> flaccid: it's a user space file system, it cool, lets you do some nice things. I use it to mount my ssh server :)
[02:20] <flaccid> hmm like a bridge
[02:20] <flaccid> or wrapper
[02:20] <flaccid> cool mate
[02:21] <Tm_T> sshfs <3
[02:21] <stdin> yeah, I install "sshfs" then do "sshfs server:/path/I/want /mount/point"  makes samba look like a toy :p
[02:21] <Myrtti> fuse can be used to use beagle from the command line, it makes virtual directories and files of the search results
[02:22] <Myrtti> I think bluetooth obex mounting is also fuse
[02:24] <stdin> yeah obexfs
[02:31] <stdin> Tm_T: do you think this is ok, or too long...
[02:31] <stdin> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !Kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on !FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[02:33] <Tm_T> ok to me
[02:34] <pleia2> looks good
[02:35] <stdin> can someone give it to ubotu then, as I don't have access :)
[02:35] <flaccid> i think thats fine stdin
[02:35] <flaccid> much better..
[02:35] <stdin> cool :)
[02:35] <Amaranth> !fuse
[02:35] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:36] <flaccid> ouchy
[02:36] <Amaranth> !no fuse is <reply>  FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[02:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[02:36] <Amaranth> !fuse
[02:36] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[02:36] <Amaranth> !ntfs-3g
[02:36] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:44] <stdin> captive
[02:44] <stdin> opps, wrong channel window
[02:45] <Gary> captive?  as in tied down?
[02:46] <flaccid> !html
[02:46] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:46] <flaccid> lol w3schools... might as well link to m#
[02:46] <stdin> Gary: hush, don't tell everyone our secrate
[02:47] <Myrtti> oh yeah, theres even wikipediafs
[02:48] <stdin> there's a BloggerFS too :p
[03:12] <dgjones> hi, are there any freenode staffers around to speak to about an unaffiliated cloak? i've tried #freenode and /stats p, but there's nobody around there, thought there may have been somebody here, if not i'll wait in #freenode, thanks in advance
[03:13] <pleia2> dgjones: wait in freenode, the available staff members here are the same ones in /stats p :)
[03:13] <pleia2> #freenode
[03:13] <stdin> dgjones: /who freenode/staff* and /msg one
[03:13] <jenda> yo
[03:13] <stdin> (that's taken from the website, so you do have permission)
[03:13] <mc44> that works too
[03:14] <dgjones> thanks everyone, i'll disappear
[03:14] <jenda> dgjones: you're set :)
[03:14] <mc44> like magic!
[05:13] <elkbuntu> nixternal, and he told you it was because of him alone?
[05:13] <nixternal> not that I know of
[05:13] <Hobbsee> surprising
[05:14] <elkbuntu> he has his fans brainwashed that way
[05:14] <nixternal> well he also has his fans for providing a fix for a void that is in Ubuntu as well
[05:15] <flaccid> i didn't realise that users like this can't lure the world users hmm
[05:16] <flaccid> i mean can
[05:18] <nalioth> why is it automatix week?
[05:19] <elkbuntu> nalioth, because of matthew's report
[05:19] <elkbuntu> nalioth, next week the tech board formalises a stance, i believe
[05:20] <nalioth> do they have a /chokehim script?
[05:20] <nalioth> is their stance gonna change anything?
[05:21] <nixternal> probably not
[05:22] <nalioth> AB will still orbit around himself no matter what they say
[05:22] <Hobbsee> nalioth: well, already apport will refuse to file a bug if automatix is detected on the system.
[05:22] <nixternal> I think that is wrong, what if automatix isn't the issue?
[05:23] <nalioth> considering the instructions in automatix, it could bodger a lot
[05:23] <Hobbsee> it tends to be the issue
[05:23] <nixternal> we are literally telling people, hey you put this on your ubuntu, so it it no longer our ubuntu and you aren't apart of this whole community thing
[05:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh sure, you're aprt of the community still - but you cant use this whole subset of stuff that non-automatix users can
[05:23] <nalioth> nixternal: what's the difference in us saying that and Ford Motor Company saying "if you put jet fuel in your taurus, it's no longer our responsibility" ?
[05:24] <nixternal> wasn't that dodge and deisel fuel?
[05:24] <nalioth> nixternal: my dodge runs fine on diesel fuel, don't FUDGE the point i'm making
[05:24] <nixternal> lol
[05:25] <elkbuntu> nixternal, it's like voiding a warranty on your printer by using non-genuine cartridges. They cant take reponsibility for the damage caused by stuff they never made
[05:25] <nixternal> it is a good point, but ford could care less if you buy another one or not
[05:25] <flaccid> i agree
[05:25] <flaccid> nixternal: yeah thats great customer service heh
[05:25] <nalioth> nixternal: automatix is a 'known danger' to the healthful state of an Ubuntu system
[05:25] <nixternal> who said we have to take responsibility? all I am saying is don't shun a user just because they put automatix on their system
[05:26] <nixternal> nalioth: so are ati binary blobs and nvidia binary blobs
[05:26] <nalioth> nixternal: we dont' shun them, we ask them to reinstall and come back and see us
[05:26] <nixternal> I see more problems with those 2 nowadays that I do autocrappix
[05:26] <nalioth> nixternal: those are not intentionally dangerous
[05:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ati and nvidia only can trash your X.
[05:26] <mc44> nixternal: mostly because people install nvidia in all kinds of fun ways, like envy ;)
[05:26] <nixternal> and either is automatix...arnieboy is a newb developer...he created automatix originally by reading "bash in a nutshell" i think
[05:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they dont render your system unbootable, mess up your fstab, your repos, and a whole bunch of other things
[05:27] <nalioth> arnieboy has been approached by many people who offered to help him make his product safer, and he told them all to 'get f*****d, his software was perferct"
[05:27] <flaccid> ah
[05:27] <flaccid> resistance
[05:27] <flaccid> making open source not open
[05:27] <nixternal> shoot, nvidia and ati driver may not render your system unbootable, but it sure scares the hell out of a new user who just got the black screen or curser blinking hell
[05:28] <flaccid> yeah its in the bin for those users
[05:28] <Hobbsee> this is true, but most p eople would prefer a system with no X, rather than being unbootable, *and* no X.
[05:28] <nixternal> nalioth: then I say we either fork his software, seeing as it is open source, or we create something similar...I mean it has been over a year since it came out and became popular, yet Ubuntu hasn't done anything about it
[05:28] <flaccid> people is built up of mainly newbies. they have no idea on no-gui Hobbsee
[05:28] <Hobbsee> flaccid: i'm aware, but they can usually search for a tech head.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> flaccid: a non-booting system, adn they're completely screwed regardless.
[05:29] <nixternal> ya, no gui == holy $#))@ batman Microsoft Ubuntu broke my system!
[05:29] <flaccid> Hobbsee: sif they want to or should have to do that!
[05:29] <elkbuntu> nixternal, restricted drivers manager and easy codec installation are 'nothing'?!
[05:29] <nixternal> and if you don't believe the whole Microsoft Ubuntu thing, well we had someone in #ubuntu the other day asking if Microsoft made it
[05:29] <nixternal> elkbuntu: they are just 1/10th of what automatix does
[05:29] <flaccid> dont fork automatix. identify what its trying to achieve that is lacking with ubuntu and just address that
[05:30] <flaccid> nixternal: im not sure if that indicates anything ;(
[05:30] <nixternal> easy ubuntu broke my dapper last year :)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: unfortunately, it seems that a lot of the stuff in automatix, which isnt in ubuntu, tends to be not-distributable.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> like, acroread
[05:30] <flaccid> oh
[05:30] <nixternal> ya, why people want acroread is beyond me
[05:30] <Hobbsee> also, one can point to medibuntu, but the same thing applies - they're restributing stuff against the licence
[05:31] <flaccid> that seems minor imo
[05:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sometimes i have to use it - my maths quizzes rely on it
[05:31] <nixternal> really?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> which is a right pain
[05:31] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it really, really sucks.
[05:31] <nixternal> I havne't had a problem with KPDF...I wonder if it is the forms stuff maybe?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it needs the reader, to do the interactive quizzes, inside firefox
[05:31] <bbrazil> acroread is in multiverse
[05:31] <nixternal> !info acroread
[05:31] <ubotu> Package acroread does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:31] <nixternal> not any more :)
[05:32] <flaccid> then its more a commercial/license issue than a frontend installer thing
[05:32] <Hobbsee> bbrazil: hasnt been for a while... :)
[05:32] <nalioth> nixternal: there is no need to 'fork his software'
[05:32] <nixternal> ya, I think it left before edgy release
[05:32] <nalioth> nixternal: the major functionality is now included in Feisty
[05:33] <nalioth> the prime users of his cruft, are newbs who find it by searching the internet
[05:33] <flaccid> can i ask? why would automatix even be needed at all ?
[05:33] <Seveas> because some people like masochism?
[05:33] <nixternal> if it is included in feisty, why is he still getting 2tb of downloads a month for it? which more than half are from his Ubuntu repo
[05:33] <nalioth> newbs, who have no idea that when you click on an mp3, the dialog asks if you want to play it? you click 'yes' and it installs the codecs and away you go
[05:34] <flaccid> the question is can ubuntu perform without automatix
[05:34] <flaccid> if yes then never support it.
[05:34] <Seveas> flaccid, better than with automatix :)
[05:35] <nalioth> flaccid: we've not supported automatix since we discovered it was a system torpedo
[05:35] <Seveas> (aka since ever)
[05:35] <nalioth> flaccid: because arnieboy keeps brainwashing users into torpedoing their systems
[05:35] <Seveas> flaccid, why is windows stiull so succesful?
[05:36] <flaccid> why would 1 stupid user rock the ubuntu team?
[05:36] <flaccid> Seveas: thats not related in anyway. don't know why you would rebutt with that.
[05:36] <Gary> why are you all still talking about automatix?
[05:36] <Seveas> flaccid, both windows and automatix are crap that likes to break pcs
[05:36] <flaccid> Gary: i agree
[05:36] <Seveas> Gary, no idea :)
[05:37] <Gary> well stop it then, I demand it :p
[05:37] <flaccid> Seveas: yeah but why does windows need to be involved in this convo at all..
[05:37] <Gary> talk about the weather or something
[05:37] <Seveas> it's raining
[05:37] <Seveas> weather sucks
[05:37] <Seveas> as does automatix :P
[05:37] <Gary> oh dear
[05:37] <Gary> :p
[05:38] <Gary> meh
[05:38] <Seveas> do it :)
[05:38] <Gary> and stil they pick on me :'(
[05:39] <flaccid> what is the primary objective of ubuntu distro?
[05:39] <Seveas> world domination
[05:39] <Gary> lol
[05:39] <jrib> s/world/solar system
[05:39] <Seveas> and cookies
[05:39] <Gary> ummm I like cookies
[05:39] <mc44> the promotion of the colour brown
[05:39] <flaccid> um it would need a high level of AI to be able to dominate the world..
[05:39] <Seveas> brownies!
[05:39] <flaccid> :p
[05:39] <Seveas> flaccid, we have people, no need for AI
[05:39] <Gary> making poo backgrounds stylish?
[05:40] <flaccid> it might seem funny to you guys. but im actually serious.
[05:40] <Seveas> although Gary could use some AI, heas real intelligence is flawed
[05:40] <Gary> flawed I tells ye
[05:40] <flaccid> so
[05:40] <flaccid> there is no main objective
[05:40] <flaccid> maybe thats the problem with ubuntu
[05:40] <mc44> er.?
[05:40] <Gary> flaccid, to be as good as possible
[05:40] <mc44> bug #1
[05:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:40] <Seveas> mc44, george ain't coming
[05:40] <flaccid> where is the objectives documented?
[05:41] <flaccid> lol thats launchapd, not ubuntu
[05:41] <mc44> no, "Bug 1 in Ubuntu"
[05:41] <Seveas> it's an ubuntu bug :)
[05:41] <mc44> right there, in the words
[05:41] <flaccid> ok
[05:41] <Seveas> MICROSOFT MUST DIE
[05:41] <flaccid> so ubuntu is commercial
[05:41] <Seveas> or something like that
[05:41] <mc44> which is a silly objective, but still
[05:41] <flaccid> in an overall sense
[05:41] <mc44> canonical is commercial
[05:41] <flaccid> its completely stupid
[05:41] <mc44> ubuntu is linux
[05:41] <flaccid> it makes no sense
[05:41] <jrib> for human beings
[05:41] <mc44> neither do you
[05:42] <Gary> baaaaaaa moooo quack
[05:42] <Seveas> flaccid, so far, you made less sense than bug 1 :P
[05:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:42] <flaccid> well a project, needs goals, but you guys can't cite the primary goal
[05:42] <Gary> woo wonder what bug 69 was
[05:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69 in baz "baz switch doesn't generate three-way diff on conflicts" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69
[05:42] <TheSheep> gah, can we change it to 'for human beings and sheep?'
[05:42] <Seveas> TheSheep, hehe
[05:42] <mc44> flaccid: its managed to do quite well so far,
[05:42] <flaccid> bugs != objectives
[05:43] <mc44> there are lots of goals, as there are lots of contributors, and its free software
[05:43] <Seveas> yadda yadda
[05:43] <Seveas> most boring convo ever
[05:43] <flaccid> mc44: where can i read about these goals explicitly
[05:43] <Seveas> bbl
[05:43] <flaccid> boring
[05:43] <flaccid> lol
[05:43] <flaccid> the jokes on you!
[05:43] <mc44> oh, poor us
[05:44] <Gary> on me?  where?  do I have to get my clothes dry cleaned, again?
[05:44] <nalioth> flaccid: the goal is world domination (and then the solar system [an onward to the galaxy {and then the known universe}] )
[05:45] <TheSheep> to the space and beyound!
[05:45] <mc44> nalioth: hopefully far enough to discover new parentheses
[05:45] <flaccid> nalioth: where is the official doc on these goals that i can read
[05:45] <TheSheep> righto onto thet Alt
[05:45] <flaccid> will you press release that?
[05:45] <mc44> flaccid: there isn't one? whose goals? canonicals? upstream? kernel? community contributers? other distros?
[05:45] <flaccid> no wonder its all over the place, mc44
[05:45] <mc44> yes, no wonder. It'll never work
[05:46] <flaccid> it can work, but it needs management
[05:46] <flaccid> gary im not trolling
[05:46] <flaccid> im trying to help
[05:46] <Gary> yeah I need help
[05:46] <Hobbsee> flaccid: there's something to be said in actually googling for such things, and there's also something to be said in getting involved in the development of a project, before you say said development is crap.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> flaccid: all you're doing here is showing how much you dont understand.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> so, if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, go ahead...
[05:47] <mc44> Hobbsee: he understands *managment*. What do you expect :)
[05:47] <flaccid> Hobbsee: 1. i google everday for ubuntu - it wastes a lot of time that could of been negated. 2. im involved . 3. i never said dev was crap!
[05:47] <flaccid> Hobbsee: what don't i understand. please be specific this tiem..
[05:47] <flaccid> time..
[05:48] <mc44> you don't seem to appreciate that there isn't a central master plan somewhere for linux
[05:48] <Hobbsee> flaccid: for a start, to make a press release, who would it be representing?
[05:48] <flaccid> mc44: im not talking about linux. im talking about *ubuntu
[05:48] <flaccid> Hobbsee: ubuntu
[05:49] <Hobbsee> flaccid: as in, the people of ubuntu, the developers of ubuntu, canonical?
[05:49] <flaccid> Hobbsee: ubuntu as a whole.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> if it's the ubuntu community, i couldnt hope to make an announcement from them - there are too many people.
[05:49] <mc44> well ubuntu is linux for a start, hence its direction depends on all kinds of other people, nevermind its own internal differences
[05:49] <Hobbsee> and so i could not be sure that i was reflecting everyone's view
[05:49] <flaccid> Hobbsee: the ubuntu website seems to make announcements fine on their behalf so far..
[05:50] <flaccid> these are the caveats
[05:50] <mc44> it makes release announcements, and canonical announcments
[05:50] <Hobbsee> flaccid: sure, but that's ubuntu, not the ubuntu community
[05:50] <flaccid> im on your side..
[05:50] <flaccid> how will you achieve this world domination if you cannot play as a team??
[05:50] <flaccid> and thats not a trolling question.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> flaccid: we do.  you just do not appear to understand that there are teams, and subteams
[05:51] <Hobbsee> flaccid: and no one global leader overseeing everything
[05:51] <flaccid> Hobbsee: the newbie doesn't care about teams and subteams...
[05:51] <mc44> we should leverage our synergies, net-net, and think outside the envelope to empower sucess in our bottom line
[05:51] <Hobbsee> flaccid: the newbies also dont ask for the explicit goals of ubuntu, do they?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> flaccid: they just want it to work
[05:51] <flaccid> Hobbsee: m$ is scene to be one, not 4...
[05:51] <flaccid> and work, it doesn't..
[05:51] <Hobbsee> does here
[05:51] <flaccid> scene=seen
[05:51] <mc44> na, doesn't work at all. Good point
[05:52] <flaccid> i spend hours each day helping people
[05:52] <flaccid> i doesn't work like its intended...
[05:52] <flaccid> it thats at least 50% vendor problem
[05:52] <flaccid> not ubuntu
[05:52] <flaccid> but it doesn't change the status quo
[05:53] <flaccid> im critical, but on your side.
[05:58] <flaccid> no response. thats cool. the average user who is not IT doesn't care about teams and sub-teams, they look at the provider as the provider and thats it - politics should be transparent to customers.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> flaccid: the goals for each release are in the release announcements
[05:59] <Hobbsee> flaccid: you are showing, though, that you dont really understand the concept of open source.
[06:00] <flaccid> no problem. i'll go read them. normal people don't even know what release announcemenats are :)
[06:00] <flaccid> i understand the concept of open source
[06:00] <nixternal> they are the small link in the bottom left hand corner of the LiveCD installer :)
[06:00] <TheSheep> flaccid: we can't force knowledge into people's mind if they refuse to read it
[06:00] <mc44> normal people don't care about goals either?
[06:00] <flaccid> i am not understanding how world domination is possible with this regime...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> flaccid: yet you dont understand how there is no real parent company behind "ubuntu" as a whole
[06:00] <flaccid> expecting people to read things is a bad thing to begin with
[06:01] <mc44> no one expects them to read anything
[06:01] <Hobbsee> flaccid: you seem to be expecting there to be a big boss who says "this is the way it is", right down to every little detail
[06:01] <mc44> they should just get an OS that works
[06:01] <Hobbsee> but now, you appear to be trolling.
[06:01] <flaccid> to be honest, i don't care about the political/business structure, im just talking about the end user...
[06:01] <flaccid> man im not trolling alright
[06:01] <mc44> what about the end user?
[06:01] <PriceChild> !topic
[06:01] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[06:01] <flaccid> the end user wants things to work
[06:01] <PriceChild> flaccid, is there anything else we can help you with?
[06:01] <nixternal> damn, walk away for a minute and get in when not even knowing the flavor of the cool aid
[06:02] <flaccid> fine
[06:02] <flaccid> lets ignore it.
[06:02] <flaccid> i tired the documentation team
[06:02] <flaccid> and i tried here
[06:02] <flaccid> i think nixternal rejected me on the doco thing
[06:02] <nixternal> the goals are called specifications by the way, and they are all on LP
[06:02] <nixternal> how did I reject you?
[06:03] <flaccid> apparently a topic based system which confuses users is suffice, thats cool i guess
[06:03] <PriceChild> flaccid, This channel is for operator/abuse questions. If you would like to discuss Ubuntu in general, feel free to head to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[06:03] <ubotu> hwilde called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:03] <flaccid> nixternal: are you on ubuntu-doc team
[06:03] <flaccid> PriceChild: ok
[06:03] <nixternal> yes
[06:03] <flaccid> let me just check
[06:07] <flaccid> ok rich, was you
[06:07] <nixternal> and is still me :)
[06:07] <flaccid> thats cool, we didn't see eye to eye
[06:07] <nixternal> don't know what you are talking about, but OK
[06:08] <flaccid> wiki is only good if 1 version of the same topic maintained
[06:08] <flaccid> problem is many version all over the place for doco
[06:08] <flaccid> no 'definitive guide'
[06:09] <nixternal> who reads the guides anyways? it is better to ask your help system "how do I do this or that?" than it is to browse a guide and hopefully run across what you are looking for
[06:09] <flaccid> ok
[06:09] <flaccid> yeah 1. the user needs to know how to get there 2. they hope there search is suffice
[06:10] <flaccid> there=their
[06:10] <flaccid> its more about the duplicity of the subjects than the availability of support...
[06:11] <flaccid> if i have a person used to windows that is not computer literate, sending them to current support channels is just not viable.
[06:12] <mc44> irc, forums, mailing lists, launchpad, wiki etc aren't viable?
[06:12] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:12] <flaccid> mc44: they are a lot of work, just to use their computer
[06:12] <raf256> what seems to be the problem? someone just banned me?
[06:12] <PriceChild> raf256, don't try it...
[06:12] <Hobbsee> that nick looks familiar.
[06:12] <raf256> try what?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> very familiar
[06:12] <flaccid> mc44: no normal user wants to do that. they don't even know what a forum, irc, mailing list, launchpad, wiki etc. are..
[06:13] <PriceChild> raf256, even if that image wasn't the first thing that came to mind... that was totally inappropriate
[06:13] <PriceChild> !offtopic | flaccid
[06:13] <ubotu> flaccid: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:13] <elkbuntu> raf256, we do not care about any descriptor of that part of a horse
[06:13] <raf256> elkbuntu: something wrong in image of a chicken?
[06:13] <Seveaz> jeez, is flaccid still on it?
[06:15] <raf256> PriceChild: sheesh, on most other channels such small joke is rather wellcommed :/
[06:15] <Seveas> raf256, not in #ubuntu
[06:15] <Hobbsee> raf256: do you lack common sense?
[06:15] <nixternal> obviously
[06:15] <Hobbsee> !coc | raf256
[06:15] <ubotu> raf256: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:15] <PriceChild> #ubuntu is support and support only. You have been around some time and most definitely ought to know better.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> !guidelines | raf256
[06:15] <ubotu> raf256: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:19] <raf256> Well ok, I suppose not all channels can have relaxed ops that check first
[06:20] <PriceChild> raf256, regardless of the fact that it was a "harmless" photo... it was still not appropriate.
[06:20] <nixternal> lol
[06:21] <raf256> well #perl and #suse failed as well that test.  #bash won :) well it do have over 300 ops btw
[06:21] <PriceChild> What is appropriate in #perl, #suse or any others... has no relevance to our decision.
[06:22] <nixternal> who cares...we told you the rules, it isn't accepted, especially the title...if you don't have any more to add, then thanks for joining us and please have a nice day
[06:22] <raf256>  <sPiN> pardon me for confusing you for a sick monkey  ok I guess suse won as well.  PriceChild so is any op going to correct beeing a bit too hasty perhaps :) ?
[06:22] <raf256> nixternal: ok I will read them
[06:23] <nixternal> and no it won't be fixed..I could care less if the image was of beautiful sunset...you came, posted a link with an unacceptable name that has nothing to do with ubuntu support
[06:31] <raf256> nixternal: the name doesnt mean what you think it do
[06:31] <Hobbsee> your point?
[06:32] <raf256> Hobbsee: neither picture or its name is bad, which is obvious if you dont act hasty but give any chance and check first
[06:33] <mc44> of course the name is bad, otherwise it wouldn't have been "funny" to post it
[06:33] <nixternal> why should I have to check it? and if I did check it and it was goatse or what not, then I would be even more pissed...
[06:33] <nixternal> simple as that, no need to argue or tell us to relax
[06:33] <raf256> nixternal: if you find that image in any way offensive I will ask staff to kline me for life
[06:34] <nixternal> raf256: I am not looking at it for one, so I can't find it offensive, but I did find the link name offensive...enough said!
[06:34] <Hobbsee> raf256: if you havent figured this out yet, toilet jokes and what you put into #ubuntu may be acceptable for around your small group of friends, but arent acceptable in large public channels.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> raf256: however, if you're going to act like this, then go ahead and ask the staff to kline you for life...
[06:34] <raf256> Hobbsee: then why this exact link and text is a factoid on a 400 nicks channel ##c++ ?
[06:34] <nixternal> plus posting a link that has nothing to do with an ubuntu problem that you may need help with isn't acceptable either
[06:34] <nixternal> raf256: because they are childish!
[06:35] <raf256> nixternal: shure
[06:35] <Hobbsee> raf256: especially support channels.
[06:35] <PriceChild> raf256, i repeat... what is acceptable elsewhere has no relevance here.
[06:35] <nixternal> who cares...we told you our stance
[06:35] <Hobbsee> raf256: because they seem to have a mental age of about 10, like you seem to.
[06:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you are giving him to much
[06:35] <PriceChild> raf256, the ban will be lifted in due time. Is there anything else we can help you with?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> raf256: the rest of the world does not have a mental age of 10, thank goodness.
[06:35] <elkbuntu> raf256, drop this discussion please. you can choose to leave on your own accord, or forcibly so. the decision is yours
[06:38] <raf256> shure, other ops at least appologized, too bad ubuntu is less friendly then it advertises. Just a thing to think about. God day then :)
[06:38] <Myrtti> what a weird puppy
[06:38] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, recidivist troll
[06:39] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i thought he promised to be a sane human being.
[06:39] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, his definition of sane varies from ours
[06:39] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it must do
[06:41] <jussi01> hmmm, looks like you guys have been having fun...
[06:42] <nixternal> I have banned that guy from more places than one could ever imagine
[06:42] <jussi01> btw, now that it seems safe to interupt, what do the 4 little coloured dots in the new konversation mean?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which one?
[06:43] <nixternal> raf256
[06:43] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[06:44] <jussi01> and why is Hobbsee special...?? :P
[06:45] <PriceChild> jussi01, don't argue with that pointy stick
[06:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:45] <Hobbsee> because i removed flaccid, and am unconvinced over having to do it again
[06:45] <jussi01> PriceChild: im not...
[06:45] <jussi01> no, i mean Hobbseehas blue dots, and no one else has...
[06:46] <Hobbsee> jussi01: because i'm +o
[06:46] <jussi01> ahhh
[06:46] <nixternal> lol
[06:46] <nixternal> I was looking for blue dots!
[06:46] <jussi01> lol
[06:46] <Hobbsee> we could just...shove him into ##unavailable....
[06:48] <jussi01> ok,1 more thing, where can i find a list of all the +o,+e etcs?
[06:48] <jussi01> and what they mean...
[06:48] <Hobbsee> help, what's this, and click on the side panel with the dots
[06:50] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah, but I want to know all the general IRC +o +e things...
[06:50] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you can change the theme in the settings
[06:51] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thats cool, its good like it is :)
[07:18] <jrib> PriceChild: too fast :)
[07:18] <PriceChild> ;)
[07:56] <Myrtti> errrr
[08:03] <jrib> nixternal: think it's safe to -r?
[08:04] <nixternal> probably so
[08:05] <nalioth> all klined
[08:06] <jrib> "14:05 <      Flameviper> I heard from the source that the Freenode attackers are raiding this channel"
[08:08] <nixternal> which channel is that?
[08:08] <nixternal> I just got a similar message?
[08:09] <jrib> he was in #ubuntu I think
[08:10] <nalioth> flameviper is a known troll.
[08:11] <jenda> lol
[08:11] <nalioth> please feel free to /ignore
[08:11] <jenda> indeed he is
[08:12] <jrib> heh, can someone -i #ubuntu-unregged, my connection dropped
[08:14] <jrib> never mind
[10:38] <ubotu> aneb called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:43] <dgeorge> hi im here for a test
[10:44] <dgeorge> I just followed the FixDDCExploit
[10:48] <ompaul> guess that is fixed let me let you back into #ubuntu
[10:49] <ompaul> you may rejoin #ubuntu
[10:49] <ompaul> dgeorge, ^^
[10:50] <ompaul> dgeorge, you are free to join #ubuntu
[11:39] <ubotu> Xoris called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:01] <PriceChild> Hi Xoris, can I help you?
[12:02] <Xoris> PriceChild no thanks, i just reconnected after getting disconnected
[12:02] <Xoris> just seeing how the channel works
[12:02] <PriceChild> Any particular reason?
[12:03] <Xoris> PriceChild, well no, just curious. if you prefer that i leave, no problem
[12:04] <PriceChild> Well of course there's a reason! :) Noone just randomly turns up in our ops channel.
[12:05] <Xoris> PriceChild, i saw ops were there on whois, that's all


[05:52] <mup> PR snapd#11485 opened: interfaces/apparmor: Update base template for systemd-machined <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11485>
[07:15] <mborzecki> morning
[08:06] <pstolowski> morning
[08:09] <mborzecki> hey
[09:01] <mardy> hi mborzecki, pstolowski, mvo
[09:02] <pstolowski> o/
[09:02] <zyga[m]> hey guys, how are you?
[09:02] <mborzecki> hey
[09:04] <mardy> hi zyga[m]! Not bad, just worried :-)
[09:06] <zyga[m]> yeah, we all are
[09:33] <abeato> mvo, hey, how do you install go 1.13 in xenial? afaiu that is the version we use to compile snapd, right?
[09:40] <mborzecki> abeato: yes, it should be in pacakges as go-1.13 i believe
[09:40] <mborzecki> abeato: golang-1.13  as mentioned in the control file
[09:41] <abeato> mborzecki, ah, I see, thank you
[10:03] <mup> PR snapd#11486 opened: cmd/snap: add support for rebooting to factory-reset <Simple 😃> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11486>
[10:51] <zyga[m]> bboozzoo: small typo in commit message "s/invokin/invoking"
[11:19] <ogra> that's not a typo, that's slang 😉
[11:23] <zyga[m]> ogra: hehe :)
[11:23] <zyga[m]> hey ogra how are things?
[11:23] <zyga[m]> is anything better than last time?
[11:28] <zyga[m]> mwhudson: the go snap is two security releases behind, do you plan to update the 1.17 series before the 1.18 release? Do you need help with the snap that others can offer?
[11:34] <ogra> zyga[m], minimally, yeah
[15:10] <mup> PR snapd#11463 closed: o/state: fix undo with independent tasks in same change and lane <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11463>
[18:35] <mwhudson> zyga[m]: oops, i just need to pay more attention i guess
[18:35] <mwhudson> (the real answer is to get it built by the upstream build process)
[18:35] <zyga[m]> mwhudson: thank you for all the work!
[18:35] <zyga[m]> have you proposed it upstream?
[18:35] <mwhudson> not seriously
[20:30] <mardy> hi zyga[m]! Not bad, just worried :-)
[20:31] <mardy> oops, wrong key combination :-D
[23:18] <mwhudson> zyga[m]: go snap updated
[23:18] <mwhudson> (well except for armhf)
[23:26] <zyga[m]> Thank you!
[23:27] <zyga[m]> I use that snap every day, thank you for keeping it up and for thr beta releases as well


[00:01] <wonko> tomreyn++
[00:14] <hmc_VA> anybody home?
[00:24] <OerHeks> .. set correct country for dvd creations?? you mean dvd region 1-2-3-4-5 ?
[00:47] <hmc_VA> Yes OerHeks  After some software updates I make a DVD and burn it to a reusable DVD and it will give me an error on my DVD player "unable to play out of area restrictions"
[00:57] <OerHeks> maybe the player region is set, unlock it to region 5, all regions would be able to play that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs#Setting_DVD_Region_Codes
[01:08] <hmc_VA> I should  addd/// I get the error message on an external DVD player attached to my TV, not the player in my computer
[01:09] <OerHeks> some vendors give updates to stand-alone dvd players too
[01:25] <hmc_VA> here is the interesting thing. Another upstate will change things and everything is ok. I just installed the latest Studio Ubuntu and the problen occurs. I put my old drive back in the computer and it creates a very playable DVD again from the same video material. the problem is in the program that creates the DVD
[01:25] <hmc_VA> update
[10:47] <jubo2> On support channels no traffic is a good thing
[10:49] <jubo2> Ubuntu Studio is very nice for my needs and excellent value for money. Thanks to the people who make the free Ubuntu Studio and free support happen
[10:49] <jubo2> I think I'm going to get some mono-jack-to-usb AD-coverters built into a cable
[10:51] <jubo2> I tried conffin 2 USB microphones to left and right channel in Windows 10 for my friend. Managed only to get a mixer that can hear both channels but will output to other software only mixed to stereo
[10:52] <jubo2> Windows is awful whereas in the jack patchbay it should not be a problem to add microphones and instruments
[10:58] <jubo2> I have not asked my friend over to test if both USB condenser mic where the AD-converter has been brought close to the physical instrumentation to sense sounds show up in Jack as expected. Yeah... instrument-to-USB cables (with the AD-converter in it). I gonna give one as gift to friend
[11:02] <jubo2> Best route to broken USB-ports and/or dropped machines P-;
[11:03] <jubo2> One can secure the cable so that it will not yank the computer
[13:30] <mobijubo> Hi. I'm experiencing a situation where volume control button does not affect whether there is sound coming or not from jack. Youtube and such media follow the volume control. This is no biggie and no emergency as I got a primary computer and then another one for minor recording when a friend pops by and wants to record
 Have you tried using Cadence?
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000: We strongly discourage the use of Cadence here for reasons stated by OvenWerks above. We do not support that here at all.
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: That's a known bug, fixed in 19.10 (in RC currently).
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: It's in the release notes, as well as the work-around for 19.04 and prior.
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> @SomeIrrelevantPerson0000: We strongly discourage the use of Cadence …], Understood
[14:42] <mobijubo> Ok, thanks for info Eickmeyer. My setup is a Kubuntu 18.04 with the installer ran from backports repo
[14:43] <mobijubo> I ran the backports installer before October, what should I do?
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: If it's Kubuntu, you might want to talk to the Kubuntu folks about that then. The release notes pertain to the default Xfce version of Ubuntu Studio only.
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: One more question:
[14:44] <mobijubo> But the jack audio was installed by the Ubuntu Studio installer (I think)
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: is Jack currently running, and if so, do you have a PulseAudio bridge running?
[14:45] <mobijubo> yes and yes
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: And is your pulseaudio bridge routed to your main audio?
[14:45] <mobijubo> yes
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: Then open qasmixer and check to see if the volume is up on alsa.
[14:46] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: there is no volume control for jack unless you add one in front of the output. Jack is a router.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: what this means is that applications like firefox, that use pulse will use the pulse volume control, but applications that use jack directly will not be affected by any change to the desktop level.
[14:49] <mobijubo> butbutbut.... jack used to follow the same volume control as pulse
[14:51] <OvenWerks> That is possible _if_ pulse is aware of the device before jack is started it may still change the alsa level control. My personal opinion is that keeping pulse from playing with alsa levels is a good thing... in particular with input levels.
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> mobijubo: Once Jack is activated, pulse basically becomes a virtual audio device, so anything that uses pulse has its volume controlled independently of anything that uses Jack. Master volume is controlled at that point with alsa, using alsamixer or qasmixer.
[14:55] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: it is possible to set keyboard short cuts for volume up and volume down that control alsa instaed of pulse.
[14:55] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: this sounds like a setup option for controls :P
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah.... needs to remain DE independed though.
[14:57] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: because Studio is made for (semi)pro audio appliactions and expects to use external audio devices, most people find that the device has no volume controls but rather relies on physical knobs
[15:00] <OvenWerks> Jack also is not designed to play with physical levels. With most audio devices, there is a setting that works best (in particular for inputs but outputs as well) for the audio chain being used. Letting pulse play with those levels after carefully setting them up is really anoying.
[15:15] <OvenWerks> mobijubo: you might try volti as it does support multimedia keys
[16:13] <wonko> Does anyone know if someone makes a 3.5mm with microphone to 3x 1/4" TRS cable? If so, what are they called? I'm failing at Google.
[16:22] <veremitz> 3-pole (TRS) 1/4" ? otherwise, exactly that.. >,<
[16:22] <veremitz> the syntax and auto-assume filters tend to screw that up
[16:28] <wonko> Not 3pole 1/4. 3pole 3.5mm to 3x single pole 1/4"
[16:28] <wonko> But that term may help
[16:30] <wonko> I might just be better off making one
[16:36] <OvenWerks> wonko: be aware that computer plugs for mic have power on them. They are not ballanced for sure.
[16:37] <wonko> I'm not expecting balanced. I'm not that unrealistic. :-D
[16:39] <OvenWerks> I have found that (on my small collection of devices here) putting a TS all the way in (shorts the 5v) gives no sound. Putting it part way so that the tip hits the 5v works well in some cases but sounds really bad in others
[16:40] <OvenWerks> In some devices the tip and ring are basically joined and in others not.
[16:40] <OvenWerks>  (they shouldn't be I think)
[16:42] <OvenWerks> I need to make an adapter because I am using this for guitar in. SO blocking cap and voltage divider... the voltage divider is because the input impedence is too low.
[16:50] <veremitz> wonko: sounds unusual
[16:51] <veremitz> I'd probably make one
[17:16] <wonko> If I can find my 3.5mm stereo/mic breakout cable I can ghetto one up with the 3.5mm stereo to 1/4" I have to see if it works. If so I'll just solder up a proper cable.
[18:32] <inahd> hey all, i tried installing the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage in linux mint, but it doesn't seem to want to install any audio software!?
[18:33] <studiobot> kornhelius was removed by: kornhelius
[18:36] <M_aD> inahd: not sure if it will actually work, though Mint is based on Ubuntu it isn't Ubuntu
[18:37] <M_aD> and i guess it's better to ask in the mint help channel on the spotchat server
[18:37] <M_aD> mint isn't supported here
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> inahd: Only official flavors are supported. Sorry! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> !mint | inahd
[20:38] <inahd> ah, that makes a certain kind of sense... i thought ubuntustudio was being maintained as a separate sort of standalone metapackage for multiple distros
[20:38] <inahd> as well as it's own distro
 Nope, just Ubuntu.


 SASL is a way of making sure you're fully logged in to NickServ before you start joining channels and stuff.
[06:41] <dax> It will stop you from ending up in -unregged randomly.
[06:41] <EriC^^> ah nice
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> ahh
[06:41] <dax> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl has instructions for most clients
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> somehow, hexchat logs me in faster then nickserv, always wondered why
[06:42] <EriC^^> wish they'd remove the +r though
[06:42] <dax> EriC^^: We did, around release day. We started getting spam again. So it's now back on.
[06:42] <EriC^^> just 1 spam
[06:42] <dax> no, not just 1 spam
[06:42] <dax> Once freenode figures out how to get their long-term problem users under control, it'll go away. Until then, we're kinda stuck with it.
[06:43] <EriC^^> hmm i saw 1 attack by 2 nicks, then +r ensued
[06:43] <EriC^^> that would be nice if they made a server protection
[06:43] <dax> Okay. I saw quite a bit more.
[06:43] <dax> though I can see antispambot output and was specifically looking for it, so... :)
[06:44] <dax> Yeah. Not sure exactly what they could do, but considering this dingus is all over the place it's really not something #ubuntu can fix by itself :\
[06:44] <EriC^^> can't we write a bot to defend the channel, or maybe put some people to defend the channel who's good at being op and online a lot?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> theres alot of spam indeed lately
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> i also agree with EriC^^ the numbers of users are affected by +r
[06:45] <dax> EriC^^: Not really. There's an unavoidable lag time between spam starting and bots reacting, and if you have a bunch of spambots in the channel, a lot gets through before the reaction happens.
[06:45] <dax> And ops help approximately zero with this
[06:45] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: users and also lines said in channel, it almost half'd since the +r i told Ben64 and he checked his logs and made a nice plot lines said vs date
[06:46] <EriC^^> channel is dying like this
[06:46] <EriC^^> dax: it's only like 2-3 lines though
[06:46]  * dax sighs
[06:46] <EriC^^> won't the bots get exhausted eventually?
[06:47] <EriC^^> i mean the number of ip's
[06:47] <dax> It's been a year. He's still around.
[06:47] <dax> No, botnets are effectively infinite these days.
[06:47] <dax> (that's a year network-wide, not just in #ubuntu)
[06:47] <EriC^^> who is this guy? can't we reason with him?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> first you need to know who he is lol
[06:47] <dax> has also been tried, has not worked so far
[06:47] <dax> oh, network staff know exactly who he is
[06:47] <EriC^^> what does he want?
[06:47] <dax> to annoy people
[06:48] <dax> that's literally it. no demands.
[06:48] <EriC^^> why
[06:48]  * dax shrugs
[06:49] <EriC^^> dax: can we make ubuntu work on a +v basis?
[06:49] <EriC^^> when a new unregged user joins, a bot asks him an intelligent question that he has to answer and then gives him +v to speak
[06:49] <EriC^^> it should work, no?
[06:50] <dax> was done back in the day with the FloodBots. We no longer have the FloodBots for political reasons, and nobody has yet written a replacement.
[06:50] <EriC^^> i think that's a good solution imho
[06:50] <dax> feel free to write a limnoria plugin or something
[06:50] <dax> i am nowhere near the skill level to do that, i only started tinkering with limnoria at all the other week
[06:51] <EriC^^> i dont know that language at all
[06:51] <EriC^^> can
[06:51] <EriC^^> can't we delegate it to someone? it seems pretty easy
[06:52] <dax> . ubottu is barely maintained and is slowly falling apart due to technical debt, and we haven't yet found anyone to fix her and it's been years.
[06:52] <dax> so no, bot wranglers do not seem to be growing on trees of late
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:53] <EriC^^> heh :D
[06:54] <EriC^^> how would the program work? user joins, if regged +v else, fetch question from list, ask question with a timeout, sanitize input , check if the question's answer is correct, if correct +v user, if not raise the counter+1, if counter=3 end session with user
[06:54] <EriC^^> ?
[06:55] <dax> I forget the details of how FloodBot did it, but something like that.
[06:55] <dax> There's of course the issue that your question list needs to be huge or it's brute-forcable a notable percentage of the time.
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> i dont think 1300 users will answer a question
[06:56] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: just the unregged ones have to
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:56] <EriC^^> i think Svena is good at writing irc plugins and what not
[06:57] <EriC^^> dax: yeah
[06:57] <EriC^^> the questions are the biggest issue i think
[06:58] <EriC^^> they have to be non parsable by a bot yet easy enough that anyone can answer
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> who is the guy anyway, i would trace his botnet and submit to the cops lol
[07:03] <EriC^^> dax: limnoria uses "pypi" ?
[07:04] <dax> it's on pypi, if that's what you mean. it's also in the debian (and i think ubuntu) repos
[07:04] <dax> !info limnoria artful
[07:06] <EriC^^> ah thanks
[07:07] <EriC^^> hmm it's not in xenial?
[07:07] <EriC^^> !info limnoria xenial
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> snap find limnoria
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> The search "limnoria" returned 0 snaps
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> and no snap
[07:09] <dax> i'd probably use git if you're not on something that has it in-repository, tbh
[07:10] <EriC^^> aha thanks
[07:19] <Ben64> late to the party but yeah, when the floodbots went away it was very noticeable
[07:22] <EriC^^> ok, installed limnoria seems to be running
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> think dax is experimenting :p
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> oh its EriC^^
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:22] <EriC^^> :D
[07:22] <EriC^^> reading here now http://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/develop/plugin_tutorial.html
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:20] <ducasse> morning, all
[08:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:29] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[08:29] <lordievader> Hi ducasse doing good here, just had coffee.
[08:29] <lordievader> How are you?
[08:30] <ducasse> relaxing with a can of coke, catching up on email etc
[08:51] <lordievader> A can of coke... well it has caffeine in there I suppose :P
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> re
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse & lordievader
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: nice idea a whole can lol
[10:35] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[10:35] <lordievader> How are you?
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> great here lordievader
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> painted in house
[10:37] <lordievader> You are painting the house?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah parts
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> and my business room
[10:38] <lordievader> Nice
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/new-look-skype-for-desktop-released
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> !krack
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> bbl french frites :p
[19:12] <studentloans> nvidia and wayland, from Plasma's perspective: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2017/10/plasmawayland-and-nvidia-2017-edition/
[19:19] <daftykins> nothing new then, chase version numbers and your life will be hell :)
[19:20] <studentloans> "nothing new" about covers it, yeah
[21:07] <unni_koz> Hello, I looking for help related to apport. Getting core dump to | <path to apport> %p 6 234234234 pipe failed
[21:08] <unni_koz> trying to figure our which process is the real culprit here for SIGABRT.
[21:08] <unni_koz> this is ubuntu 12.04.05 LTS
[21:09] <unni_koz> directory /var/crash is empty
[21:09] <unni_koz> and nothing in apport logs
[21:10] <Bashing-om> unni_koz: Unless you have paid for "extended" support. 12.04 is dead ; and no longer has support .
[21:11] <unni_koz> understood that.
[21:12] <unni_koz> it will be great if someone shed some light how to figure out which process exactly causing this
[21:13] <unni_koz> troubleshooting it for last 4-6 hours... couldnt find anything.
[21:13] <Bashing-om> unni_koz: Regrests, but that too is above my skill set.
[21:14] <unni_koz> thanks Bashing-om
[21:15] <unni_koz> anybody?
[21:15] <unni_koz> please help
[21:22] <daftykins> unni_koz: this isn't a support channel, see topic
[21:22] <unni_koz> oh! thanks daftykins
[21:23] <daftykins> but you won't get support for 12.04 on IRC anywhere :)
[21:23] <unni_koz> understand sir. i need some help to troubleshoot.
[21:23] <unni_koz> where i can get some help/hint... let me know if there is any irc channel
[21:24] <unni_koz> sorry if im creating noise in this chat
[21:24] <unni_koz> channel*
[22:42] <oerheks> wait, sco is not dead ? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/appeals-court-keeps-alive-the-never-ending-linux-case-sco-v-ibm/


[09:21] <rbasak> cjwatson: on specifying a commit hash and not a ref, I'm still going to know what refs to fetch in order to get hold of the commit I think. Any thoughts on that?
[09:21] <rbasak> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#dgit does "The commit is reachable from at least one reference whose name matches refs/dgit/*"
[09:22] <rbasak> Perhaps, to make it generic, I should specify a VCS URL, commit hash, and a refspec that the commit is reachable from.
[09:22] <rbasak> Well, half of a refspec
[10:00] <enyc> I think there's a launchpad issue!
[10:00] <enyc> trying to select 'does thin bug affect you?' ... end up with Timeout error
[10:00] <enyc> (Error ID: OOPS-66ee6979f353b16ba726e18535dbb745)
[10:04] <enyc> ^^ I think whatever is happening in infrastructure likely satrted around christmas or so
[10:08] <cjwatson> rbasak: Hm yes, I suppose a ref is indeed necessary
[10:09] <cjwatson> enyc: That doesn't look likely to be a new issue
[10:12] <cjwatson> enyc: Can you file a bug quoting the OOPS ID, please?  From the error report it looks like it's just a very inefficient page doing lots of repeated queries with minor variations that could instead be done in bulk
[10:13] <cjwatson> (though it may not necessarily be easy to fix)
[10:48] <enyc> cjwatson: struggling under load I guess? hrrm ok.  Yes happy to do so,  do I need a particular project/package to report?  just generic launchpad bug on launchpad ?
[10:52] <cjwatson> enyc: No, nothing to do with load
[10:53] <cjwatson> enyc: And the bug would be against Launchpad itself, i.e. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[10:53] <cjwatson> (Well, maybe not *nothing* to do with load, but the problem is inefficient code not because it's struggling under load.)
[14:18] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: Should be happier now.
[16:45] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Yes, that made a difference. Thanks again!


[07:13]  * abogani waves all
[07:14] <abogani> FYI I have just updated -lowlatency and -realtime kernels.
[07:22] <astraljava> Hey Alessio! That's great news!
[07:28] <abogani> astraljava: Did you have found a good replacement for EasyTag?
[08:05] <astraljava> abogani: Not yet. I'm looking into a few. exfalso and kid3 I found so far.
[08:07] <abogani> astraljava: Could you let me know when you found something useful? Thanks!
[08:08] <astraljava> abogani: Most certainly. :)
[15:08] <scott-work> good morning
[15:09] <scott-work> abogani: i got a response from steve which basically said we should package now and not wait on him
[15:09] <scott-work> abogani: so, after i get changes made to -defualt-settings and -artwork and pushed to bzr i will focus on the kernel packaging and get it into revu
[15:09] <scott-work> TheMuso: ^^^^
[15:09] <scott-work> i would expect this to happen within two weeks considering other tasks i already have lined up as well
[15:19] <abogani> scott-work: Ok.
[16:50] <scott-work> we are now at 33% on the burn down for our precise blueprints:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio.html
[16:50] <scott-work> yay!
[16:50] <scott-work> when i get the theme stuff done it will also increase the percentage complete quite a bit as well
[18:25] <astraljava> abogani: Got a tip from a friend, and 'picard' seems to be quite a good replacement for 'easytag'.
[18:26] <astraljava> abogani: I did try to quickly build 'easytag' from sources, as I noticed somewhere that the project has come alive again, but alas, there are some problems with the autogen.sh, and it was at work during the office hours, so didn't pay much attention to it.
[18:28] <astraljava> abogani: Mind you, 'picard' seems to only work with MusicBrainz, so it's not perfect. Need to look for other options still, preferably something that works with other engines as well.


[02:33] <dmcglone> Hiya all
[02:33] <canthus13> blargh.
[02:35] <dmcglone> is there a hairball in your throat?
[02:35] <canthus13> dmcglone: Nah. Just bummed.
[02:35] <dmcglone> about?
[02:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: Stuff completely off topic for this channel.  I've dumped it all in #polyamory already.   Still pissed at linux?
[02:37] <dmcglone> you mean there are topics that are offtopic in here?
[02:37] <canthus13> dmcglone: Read up on polyamory and then you tell me. :)
[02:37] <dmcglone> Not as much, but yes.
[02:38] <dmcglone> I've went through my pissed off at linux stages for years. LOL
[02:38] <Cheri703> hey
[02:38] <dmcglone> Hi Cheri703
[02:38] <canthus13> Heh.  At this point, I'm more likely to run into stuff in windows that pisses me off than linux.
[02:38] <dmcglone> canthus13: right now I'm still bummed over evolution
[02:39] <Cheri703> polyamory, eh canthus13?
[02:39] <canthus13> Cheri703: Yeh.
[02:39] <dmcglone> but Kontact is just as bad!
[02:39]  * Cheri703 knows some people into polyamory in various forms
[02:40]  * dmcglone is shootin over there
[02:40] <canthus13> Over where?
[02:40] <dmcglone> polyamory
[02:40] <canthus13> Ah.
[02:41] <dmcglone> I'm there right now
[02:41] <dmcglone> I see no action as of yet
[02:41] <canthus13> dmcglone: http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html
[02:41] <canthus13> dmcglone: Yer in the wrong channel, then.
[02:41] <canthus13> Oh. Wait.
[02:41] <dmcglone> funny I see your name
[02:41] <canthus13> Forgot I turned off joins and parts. :P
[02:41] <dmcglone> lol
[02:42] <canthus13> Yeah. It's dead at the moment.
[02:42] <dmcglone> well you told me to check it out to see what you were bummed over.. lol
[02:43] <canthus13> Oh. I meant google it, actually. If you're curious, check out the link I just posted.  Feel free to hang in the channel, just don't troll.
[02:43] <dmcglone> Hmmm, doesn't this go against everything we were taught in the bible?
[02:44] <dmcglone> I never troll
[02:44] <canthus13> No.
[02:44] <Cheri703> dmcglone: aaaaactually, there are many occurrences in the bible of one of one, multiple of the other
[02:44] <dmcglone> your shittin' me?
[02:44] <dmcglone> wow
[02:44] <Cheri703> and for the record, not everyone in the world lives life according to the bible as their rule book
[02:44] <Cheri703> no
[02:45] <canthus13> Actually, there are many references to polygamy, a couple to polygyny, and only one or two references to monogamy, and then those are only in the context of church leadership.
[02:45] <dmcglone> this is all new to me
[02:46] <Cheri703> and there are instances of actual full on prophet types having more than one spouse/partner
[02:46] <dmcglone> are you sure we read the same bible? LMAO
[02:47] <Cheri703> King James Version
[02:47] <canthus13> Yep.
[02:47] <dmcglone> Oh, I read the Lucifer version. ;-)
[02:48] <dmcglone> LOL cat got your toungue
[02:49] <Cheri703> this is one reference dmcglone, wife can't have kids, so he basically "marries" her servant: http://bible.cc/genesis/30-4.htm
[02:49] <dmcglone> I always thought having more than 1 partner constitutes as adultry (if you are married) and adultry was/is a sin
[02:50] <Cheri703> it depends on the time period, many times in the bible, polygamy was ok
[02:50] <Cheri703> and again dmcglone, not everyone treats the bible as a rule book
[02:50] <Cheri703> so...to each their own in my opinion
[02:51] <dmcglone> very true
[02:51] <canthus13> dmcglone: To make it perfectly clear, I don't condone *cheating*.  My wife and I are well aware of each other's secondary relationships.
[02:51] <dmcglone> I'm not a bible thumper, I'm just asking out of curiousity
[02:51] <canthus13> All good. I understand completely.
[02:52] <Cheri703> yeah
[02:52]  * Cheri703 just saying
[02:52] <dmcglone> I agree 100% with Cheri703 "to each his own"
[02:52] <canthus13> dmcglone: We should prolly continue this convo in #polyamory if you have more questions, though. This channel isn't really the place.  Besides, it's logged. :)
[02:53] <dmcglone> as for me, I like to stick to monogamy, which makes me pick my nose, scratch my butt and watch football ;-)
[02:54] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:54]  * canthus13 doesn't understand the point of football.. :P
[02:56] <dmcglone> canthus13: excuse to get away from the women and go drink a beer in some sports bar with a bunch of sizzling women... LOL
[02:57] <dmcglone> funny thing is I've never done that. LMAO
[03:01] <dmcglone> well everyone, I think I need to lay down and relax. I've had a long day.
[03:01] <Cheri703> ttyl
[03:01] <dmcglone> I'll catch you all tomorrow
[03:02] <dmcglone> Ok Cheri703 have a good one
[03:02] <dmcglone> g'night
[03:02] <canthus13> 'nite.
[03:22]  * Cheri703 needs to find recipes for very high protein bars of some sort...
[03:48] <Cheri703> wow I hate websites with music that plays automatically...and even moreso the ones that have no way of shutting it off
[04:33] <skellat> Reminder to vote: http://ur1.ca/2epu3  Podcast talking about the voting: http://ur1.ca/2epud
[04:45] <paultag> Burning Circle 9 is out :)
[04:45] <paultag> thanks, skellat :)
[04:56] <Cheri703> paultag: is there any reason the votes HAVE to be encrypted?
[04:56] <Cheri703> and/or can I just pm you my votes?
[04:56]  * Cheri703 is lazy tonight
[04:56] <paultag> Cheri703, any way will do
[04:56] <Cheri703> ok
[04:56] <paultag> Cheri703, anyway at all
[14:34] <thafreak> Morning
[15:41] <thafreak> Ok, not cool...my prgmr.com xen host died
[15:41] <thafreak> and it didn't auto reboot...had to manually login and boot it myself
[15:41] <thafreak> luckily, I can alteast do that...I would hate having to wait on some one else
[15:42] <thafreak> http://digg.com/news/lifestyle/i_heart_pixels_throwster_tees
[17:21] <thafreak> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101122130625952
[18:03] <paultag> Hey Ohioo :)
[18:03] <paultag> hey thafreak :)
[18:04] <Unit193> Hey paultag
[18:04] <paultag> heyya Unit193
[18:12] <Unit193> Got anymore votes in?
[19:39]  * canthus13 votes for hotsauce and ketchup.
[19:54]  * BiosElement throws canthus13 hotsauce and ketchup bottles
[20:00] <thafreak> gah
[20:00] <thafreak> wasted today building staticly linked binaries to check on a machine
[20:00] <thafreak> saw an odd port open, with no process id associated with it...thought I was rooted
[20:01] <thafreak> just dawned on me...it's an RPC port for portmapper (NFS stuff)
[20:01] <thafreak> oh well, now I have a suite of statically linked binaries I can use later I guess
[20:01] <_bbb> you down with ldd
[20:01] <_bbb> yeah you know me
[20:02] <thafreak> I got all the good stuff
[20:02] <thafreak> grep, ps, ls, awk, strings, netstat
[20:02] <thafreak> what u need?
[20:02] <_bbb> sex packets
[20:02] <thafreak> damn, fresh out of those
[20:03] <thafreak> I think they're being blocked by the firewall
[20:03] <thafreak> I call the firewall, "wife"
[20:03] <_bbb> for shame!
[20:56] <paultag> Unit193, yeah, we sure have
[20:56] <paultag> Unit193, still not a many as I'd like
[20:56] <paultag> but still
[21:13] <thafreak> ok, you should have one more voter now
[21:13] <thafreak> sorry it took me so long...been avoiding any contact with my inbox lately
[21:29] <canthus13> Shouldn't ignore it.  it might start seeing someone else...