[08:39] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: and who came to the conclusion that .desktop files were the way to go?
[08:39] <crimsun> oofnik: now: cd /usr/src && sudo tar jfx alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:39] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Then Debian decided to utilize a new application called menu.
[08:39] <yzero> menu is great.
[08:40] <yzero> Stupid new fancy laptops
[08:40] <yzero> I shouldn't have got one this nice
[08:40] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, it was a decision of GNOME not the distro providers...... That is why just about every debian based system uses menu
[08:40] <Tac> anyone know when the next shipment goes out?
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: does ubuntu use menu?
[08:40] <HermanDE> yzero, you many have to load a module from the cd.
[08:40] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, it is debian based.....
[08:41] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: what exactly does "menu" do?
[08:41] <yzero> HermanDE I'm thinking I'll reinstall again.. and right after the grub-install.. i will alt-f2.
[08:41] <yzero> and look at menu.lst
[08:41] <HermanDE> yzero, Probably the best thing....
[08:41] <kakalto> has anyone else had issues when trying to apply a background image for grub, with an nvidia carD?
[08:41] <kakalto> *card
[08:41] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, It provides a system for syncronizing all window managers......
[08:41] <oofnik> crimsun: was that supposed to produce any output? and be <1 sec?
[08:42] <crimsun> oofnik: did you follow my syntax precisely?
[08:42] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Such that you can modify a menu under KDE and see the change under GNOME or blackbox.
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> Cool, well there needs to be some serious thinking about the crappy system. It seems so complicated, and it seems to be such a simple concept.
[08:43] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Uh...  Like I said.  For the most part it is solved...    XTERM rules.....
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> windblows
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> LOL
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> teletubby land
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> hahhaa
[08:46] <jeld> question about sound cards, how do I can force one of my cards to be the first
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> LMAO
[08:47] <crimsun> jeld: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:47] <oofnik> okay crimsun it's all done
[08:47] <jeld> 0 snd_usb_audio
[08:47] <jeld> 1 snd_emu10k1
[08:47] <HermanDE> jeld, I think you can assign card numbers by the pci code....
[08:47] <crimsun> jeld: and you want the sblive/audigy to be primary?
[08:48] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:48] <thechitowncubs> hey whats up
[08:48] <jeld> crimsun, I wanna try to see if my audigy will work
[08:48] <crimsun> jeld: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:48] <budluva> can someone help me with a live cd question? why does it not ask me to create a new user? just uses a default user 'ubuntu' and when i su - wtf is root pw??? it didnt ask me to set any
[08:48] <crimsun> oofnik: ls ../*.deb
[08:49] <jbroome> budluva: use sudo
[08:49] <cory_> can i ask somebody a question =)?
[08:49] <oofnik> ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[08:49] <thechitowncubs> cory: ok
[08:49] <cory_> gracias
[08:49] <crimsun> oofnik: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[08:50] <HermanDE> cory_, Only if you don't pull down your pants...
[08:50] <thechitowncubs> cory: i think you need to be in #ubuntu-es ;-)
[08:50] <oofnik> crimsun.. i heard my speakers thump...
[08:50] <cory_> okay i'm trying to copy some dlls to my wine system folder.  but it says i can't because i don't have permissions.  The only user that does is root.  can i change it to where i can add dlls to that folder?
[08:50] <oofnik> ALSAMIXER LOADS!! YES!!
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> cory: what are you trying to use wine for?
[08:51] <cory_> kazaa
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> LOL
[08:51] <HermanDE> cory_, AAAKKK  Are you running wine as root?
[08:51] <crimsun> oofnik: now paste the output from amixer onto pastebin
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> i solved the problem
[08:51] <cory_> no
[08:51] <cory_> wait
[08:51] <cory_> i'm running it under my user name
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> cory: don't ever use kazaa
[08:51] <glDaher> how do I reconfigure the gnome panel back to its defaults?
[08:51] <cory_> mldonkey sux
[08:51] <cory_> i can't find anything that actually works
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> cory: i suggest you use some alternatives like (giftui, gtk-gnutella, limewire)
[08:52] <glDaher> apt-get reconfigure gnome-panel ?
[08:52] <HermanDE> cory_, Have you tried LimeWire?
[08:52] <watje> watje@dionyxus:~ $ glxgears
[08:52] <watje> Segmentation fault
[08:52] <watje> ;x
[08:52] <cory_> yeah, in the past
[08:52] <cory_> have any of ya'll ever used ares?
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> i just tried giftui and i was very impressed
[08:52] <cory_> for windows
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> cory: yes
[08:52] <cory_> whats the closest thing to that for linux?
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> cory: giftui
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> and the gift daemon
[08:52] <cory_> because ares was the best p2p i've ever used
[08:53] <thechitowncubs> http://giftd.sf.net
[08:53] <oofnik> wow that's a lot of stuff
[08:53] <umm> warez?
[08:53] <crimsun> oofnik: url?
[08:53] <thechitowncubs> http://gift.sf.net
[08:53] <cory_> ok thx, i'm going to give that a try
[08:53] <umm> (virus...)
[08:54] <cory_> just for the sake of knowing.  Is there a way to change the permissions?
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> cory: that requires just a little configuring at first, but once you get that workin then its golden
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> chmod
[08:54] <oofnik> here you go crimsun: http://pastebin.com/302836
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> cory: if you don't want to deal with configuring crap use this : sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[08:54] <cory_> would i have to run a root terminial to do that?
[08:55] <thechitowncubs> no
[08:55] <thechitowncubs> sudo means run as root
[08:55] <crimsun> oofnik: amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[08:55] <beper> hi
[08:56] <oofnik> bingo
[08:56] <oofnik> it's playing
[08:56] <oofnik> crimsun i don't know how to thank you
[08:56] <crimsun> no worries.
[08:56] <toinou> hello I would like that apache run my PHP pages which aren't in /var/www/ but in my /var/lib/cvs/www/ , how must I do  ?
[08:56] <oofnik> will these settings stay put on reboot?
[08:56] <crimsun> oofnik: yep, presuming you reboot/shut down normally
[08:57] <cory_> wow, okay i kind of like gtk-gnutella
[08:57] <SpecialBuddy> how do I set it up to double click like windows
[08:57] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[08:57] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know
[08:57] <cartel_> cory: try apollon
[08:57] <cartel_> :)
[08:58] <oofnik> okay.. wow.. so basically all i did was just rebuild alsa from source and install it the right way?
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> cory: ya, its ok, the GUI is a little sloppy
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> but it works pretty good
[08:58] <crimsun> oofnik: that, and you unmuted a critical mixer element
[08:59] <oofnik> yeah, that's what i had to do when i had fedora
[08:59] <oofnik> i remember that part
[08:59] <sknroiws> :o
[08:59] <sknroiws> Its broken
[09:00] <sknroiws> I tried to install ubuntu
[09:00] <sknroiws> And it broke
[09:00] <sknroiws> It said it couldnt install some packages
[09:00] <sknroiws> And then I booted up
[09:00] <sknroiws> And the x server doesn work
[09:00] <sknroiws> How do I resinstall the x server?
[09:00] <oofnik> haha.. now if i ever have to reinstall ubuntu, i'll have to somehow do that again.. unless it works out of the box in the next release! thank you again crimsun!
[09:00] <cory_> whats apollon?
[09:00] <crimsun> oofnik: it'll work out of the box in the next release, breezy
[09:01] <oofnik> how's breezy coming along?
[09:01] <cartel_> cory_: kde fileshare app
[09:01] <cory_> oh ok
[09:01] <crimsun> oofnik: fairly well considering there have been invasive toolchain updates
[09:01] <sknroiws> What is the x server called?
[09:01] <cartel_> XOrg
[09:01] <cory_> one prob with gtk-gnutella is...my download is stopped at 1%.  I thought maybe i just found something that was going to work for me :'(
[09:01] <cartel_> crimsun: how big is canonical's buildd?
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> cory: its a gui bug
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> the gui is sloppy
[09:02] <crimsun> cartel_: there are at least 3 buildds for each arch
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> cory: look at the other tabs
[09:02] <oofnik> great
[09:02] <cartel_> crimsun: how long does it take you to regenerate the entire archive?
[09:02] <oofnik> i'm definitely looking forward to it
[09:02] <crimsun> cartel_: a few days is my guess
[09:02] <sknroiws> I think my hard drive is broken
[09:03] <umm> ?
[09:03] <crimsun> cartel_: that is of course precluding any spectacular FTBFSes
[09:03] <sknroiws> Im getting erors like Buffer I/O error on device hdc
[09:03] <merc> is there a way to have konsole let me open hyperlinks? (instead of copy&pasting the link into a browser) similar to the way gnome-console does?
[09:03] <umm> what do you mean "broken"?
[09:03] <sknroiws> and then it says logical block 234790
[09:03] <yzero> I HATE YOU UBUNTU JUST INSTALL GRUB
[09:03] <yzero> =[
[09:03] <umm> ...
[09:03] <umm> ~_~ oh my ears
[09:04] <cory_> so is it really downloading.   I have an old Warty box that I am thinking of upgrading to Hoary. However, it has a bunch of debs installed that arent part of ubuntu (such as some packages from marillat, some packages ive compiled and installed using checkinstall, etc.). Will these extra debs affect the upgrade process. Also, is there a command to list debs that are installed on the system but are not available from any of the repos listed in your sources.list file?
[09:42] <merc> hah
[09:42] <bosewicht> anyone use nessus with ubuntu?
[09:42] <kestas> gm78: if you go into synaptic it has a 'Outdated or system specific packages' tab
[09:42] <Seveas> gm78, for the latter part: you can check the locally instaled / obsolete section with synaptic
[09:43] <kestas> gm78: which should list it
[09:43] <mindspin> bosewicht sometimes
[09:43] <Seveas> marillat might scre up the upgrades a bit, so try disabling it before upgrading
[09:43] <jeanre_> Seveas: everyone is not as bright as you
[09:43] <Seveas> jeanre_, i'm not saying I'm bright at all..
[09:43] <bosewicht> i can't get it t work...i think it has to do with sudo but not sure
[09:43] <robitaille> Seveas:  in Warty?  I thought that wat just in Hoary's Synaptic (could be wrong...haven't touched Warty in a while...)
[09:43] <Seveas> robitaille, you're right
[09:43] <kestas> bosewicht: if you cant get it to work then you probably shouldnt be installing it
[09:44] <mindspin> I can't get it to work is very vague
[09:44] <Seveas> well, use aptitude then :)
[09:44] <kestas> I got it to work
[09:44] <kestas> the only thing which is unusual is that you have to install it with apt-get, as it needs you to enter some things as it installs
[09:44] <bosewicht> hmm, i think i should install it, but the plugins aren't showing up and after i launch it it's just not connecting
[09:44] <kestas> or use the terminal thing in synaptic
[09:45] <gm78> kestas and all : thank you guys, you showed me what i was looking for :)
[09:45] <mindspin> you know , you need a server runing?
[09:45] <kestas> bosewicht: I think the plugins are a seperate install thing
[09:45] <Vjaz> Hi y'all.
[09:45] <Seveas> Hi
[09:45] <kestas> bosewicht: and you need to add a user I seem to remember
[09:45] <mindspin> yep
[09:45] <kestas> bosewicht: and you need to start it up
[09:45] <mindspin> thats what I meant
[09:46] <mindspin> nessusd
[09:46] <Vjaz> Anyone know where I could find instructions in compiling a kernel for Ubuntu? I would really like something that describes how to duplicate a stock Ubuntu kernel, really.
[09:46] <bosewicht> i installed the plugins...i have it running fine on my other box, but the ubuntu laptop is giving me problems...i thought maybe other people might be having probs too...i'll take a closer look at it
[09:46] <Vjaz> Especially the initrd-part.
[09:46] <xero> does anybody know about the xauth???
[09:46] <Seveas> Vjaz, there is a kernelcompilehowto on the ubuntu wiki
[09:46] <robitaille> Vjaz:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[09:47] <Seveas> in short: apt-get install linux-source-1.6.10-5 kernel-package
[09:47] <Seveas> and use make-kpkg to so all the magic
[09:47] <Seveas> di*
[09:47] <Seveas> do*
[09:48] <Vjaz> Thanks.
[09:48] <Vjaz> I won't be compiling a Ubuntu kernel though because I need 2.6.12. (Which makes it silly that I asked how to duplicate stock Ubuntu, but oh well...)
[09:49] <rommer> has anyone successfully installed php5 from source?
[09:49] <Seveas> Vjaz, try an Ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel from Breezy :)
[09:49] <Vjaz> Seveas, They only have 2.6.11, don't they?
[09:49] <Seveas> rommer, there are 2 separate howtos on the wiki. I guess that the authors of those pages had success
[09:49] <|iggy|> hi
[09:49] <Seveas> Vjaz, 2.6.12 will kick in soon
[09:50] <Vjaz> soon... I need it NOW! ;-)
[09:50] <Seveas> :D
[09:51] <|iggy|> i had installed a new mainboard with another chipset is there any solution to re-run the hardware check / find
[09:51] <rommer> hmm yea
[09:51] <robitaille> Vjaz:  I think 2.6.12 is already available in Breezy (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.12/)
[09:53] <Vjaz> Ah, that's nice.
[09:55] <Vjaz> I wonder if I can pop in a breezy image...
[09:55] <Vjaz> I guess it might work, but then again it might not. We'll see.
[09:59] <cthulfuego> Oh the joys of VPN through public wifi at one's favourite bistro...
[10:00] <Seveas> Vjaz, there are some hotplug problems with 2.6.12...
[10:03] <Vjaz> Seveas, Damn.
[10:05] <jessid> how do I start power control daemon?
[10:07] <Jesse1> jessid, wats the package for that called?
[10:12] <Yuki-San> anyone know if the ubuntu servers work well, i wanna set one up
[10:14] <Jesse1> Yuki-San,  im like hte only one here and ive never created a ubuntu server
[10:14] <cazabam> good morning, everyone
[10:15] <Jesse1> cazabam, where you live?
[10:15] <cazabam> England :)
[10:15] <Yuki-San> Jesse1, i'm a rahter noob with linux, what distro would you reccomend for a server?
[10:15] <Jesse1> ah thats along way from australia
[10:15] <cazabam> yep
[10:16] <cazabam> does anyone know about sound on Thinkpads? specifically recording from linein?
[10:16] <cazabam> When I plug my stereo into line-in, I hear the sound through the speakers but nothing can record it
[10:17] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, i dont know much about the ubuntu server but you might want to check out this part of the forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45
[10:17] <mindspin> Yuki what do you want to do with the server?
[10:17] <mindspin> linux noob and linux server sounds dangerous
[10:17] <Yuki-San> i need to host my scanlation groups website
[10:17] <Yuki-San> and scanlated manga
[10:18] <Yuki-San> mindspin, i have no choice...
[10:18] <mindspin> its a public machine?
[10:18] <Yuki-San> i'm not that much of a noob i've used fedora for almost a year
[10:18] <marsh> Anyone know how to restart a bittorrent - I had an image downloading with firefox & ran out of electric & now I cant find out how to restart it :(... I've checked the FAQ & WIKI, but cant find anything about restarting torrents. Gnome torrent asks me to point at the meta file, I can only find the half downloaded file & presume it is meta, but it wont continue the download... anyone know why?
[10:18] <Yuki-San> but im not an expert
[10:18] <mindspin> then I would recommend debian sarge
[10:19] <mindspin> GUI on a public server seems not clever to me
[10:19] <Jesse1> yea anyone could easly change stuff
[10:19] <mindspin> but I see no problem installing ubuntu server
[10:19] <Yuki-San> is it hard...
[10:19] <mindspin> no,
[10:19] <mindspin> not that
[10:20] <Yuki-San> can some send me a link to the howto for this
[10:20] <mindspin> you could use mc as filemanager and editor
[10:20] <mindspin> its kinda eaysier than using bash and vi/jeoe/whatever
[10:21] <mindspin> but you sure want a database running
[10:22] <Yuki-San> grahh, i can't find the link in the howtos, on how to set up a server
[10:22] <mindspin> so its not a question of how linux, but more how running a LAMP system
[10:22] <berkes> Yuki-San: its on the ubuntu CD
[10:22] <berkes> just use the option "base"
[10:22] <Yuki-San> eh?
[10:22] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, also what internet connection will the server use?
[10:22] <Yuki-San> it's gives you he option?
[10:22] <mindspin> just choose options server or so... dunno
[10:22] <berkes> Yuki-San: eys
[10:22] <Yuki-San> i have roadrunner
[10:22] <Jesse1> ?
[10:22] <Yuki-San> it's father then comcast
[10:22] <Yuki-San> it's cable
[10:23] <mindspin> you want to run it from home?
[10:23] <Yuki-San> yeh...
[10:23] <mindspin> be careful
[10:23] <Yuki-San> mindspin, where else?
[10:23] <mindspin> in a datacenter
[10:23] <Yuki-San> explain...
[10:23] <mindspin> just get you a standalone server or a root server
[10:24] <mindspin> rent it
[10:24] <Yuki-San> no money...
[10:24] <mindspin> haha
[10:24] <mindspin> thats bad
[10:24] <Yuki-San> berkes, will it give me an option to pick if i want to set it up as a server?
[10:24] <mindspin> so be careful
[10:24] <Yuki-San> mindspin, ok
[10:24] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, yes thats my problem no $$ for a server the geocities has been enough for me so far
[10:25] <berkes> Yuki-San: yes
[10:25] <berkes> its called "base"
[10:25] <mindspin> you can get it for about 20  here in germany
[10:25] <Yuki-San> Jesse1, geocities = no mysql
[10:25] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, yes thats a bummer
[10:25] <mindspin> if you share it with some friends, thats not expensive
[10:25] <berkes> Yuki-San: but a VPS is very cheap now adays
[10:25] <Yuki-San> mindspin, i have no friends -_-;
[10:25] <Yuki-San> ;p;
[10:25] <Yuki-San> j/k
[10:25] <Jesse1> mindspin, in australia im expecting that to be expensive
[10:26] <berkes> for approx ?20/month you have your own server
[10:26] <berkes> with root access and all
[10:26] <mindspin> yes
[10:26] <berkes> you cannot beat that with your own server :)
[10:26] <mindspin> 20 is the lowest fare I#ve seen
[10:26] <Yuki-San> i live in texas, they didn't get computers here until 2004
[10:26] <Yuki-San> ...
[10:26] <Yuki-San> i did, but most of the poeple didn't
[10:27] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, dang....
[10:27] <berkes> mindspin: i have a cuople of acoutns for only ?14/month
[10:27] <Yuki-San> if anyone here is from US they will know
[10:27] <mindspin> thats pretty good
[10:27] <Yuki-San> it's called orange, tx it has a population of 2,000
[10:27] <sknroiws> >,
[10:28] <sknroiws> For some reason I cant install i386 version
[10:28] <sknroiws> of ubunu
[10:28] <sknroiws> I can install the amd64 version
[10:28] <sulff> hi, does someone know where i could get the files to run a server cs:source on ubuntu plz ??
[10:28] <sknroiws> I know
[10:28] <sknroiws> I use to run a game server company
[10:28] <sknroiws> Hmm
[10:28] <sknroiws> Let me remember
[10:28] <sknroiws> ><
[10:29] <sulff> lol
[10:29] <sknroiws> Well first
[10:29] <sulff> :p
[10:29] <sknroiws> You need the steam file
[10:29] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, there is another semi-free service that i use it has mysql its at http://lifelesspeople.com all you do is post in a forum and you get the hosting for free ive had it 2 months its good
[10:29] <sulff> ok i have it but it dont includes cs:source
[10:29] <sknroiws> Yes i does
[10:29] <sknroiws> You jus have to know the right commands
[10:29] <orlando> hi, ubuntu keeps switching back to default 1600x1200 resolution on startup even though i checked 'Make Default' when i changed to 1024x768. how do I make ubuntu start in 1024x768
[10:29] <sulff> is it possible to download it
[10:29] <sulff> oki thanks
[10:30] <nelsonrat> How does a Live CD work
[10:31] <Jesse1> live cd works by magic,      it loads everything in to the memory instead of saving it on to the harddisk so if you have 256 mb of ram then you have 256 mb of space for the live cd
[10:31] <Jesse1> and if you restart the computer with the live cd the memory is clear and everything goes back to normal
[10:31] <nelsonrat> how do i get one to work
[10:31] <Jesse1> just put the cd in the computer and restart
[10:32] <topyli> nelsonrat: stick it in, reboot
[10:32] <nelsonrat> i did it 2 times now
[10:32] <nelsonrat> it did not work
[10:32] <Jesse1> and what happend those 2 times
[10:32] <sknroiws> sulff: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=14834c5fdbe4ac9a08fd3e73196734ed&threadid=292495
[10:33] <topyli> nelsonrat: ah, you have to change the boot sequence in your computer's BIOS
[10:33] <nelsonrat> It said compaq IN RED THEN wINDOWS XP
[10:33] <sknroiws> On my computer I can press f8
[10:33] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, make sure when changing it to make the cd first, floppy second, harddrive 3rd
[10:34] <sknroiws> And i allows me to select the device to boot
[10:34] <topyli> nice touch
[10:34] <Jesse1> sknroiws, most computers that will boot windows in safe mode
[10:34] <sknroiws> :/
[10:34] <sknroiws> I guess mine is special
[10:35] <Jesse1> must be
[10:35] <sknroiws> The i386 version of ubuntu is broken on my computer It will only let me install AMD64 version now
[10:36] <Jesse1> sknroiws, .... do yuo have a amd 64 processor?
[10:36] <sknroiws> Yes
[10:36] <sknroiws> But setting stuff up in the amd64 version is harder
[10:37] <sknroiws> Most of the stuff on ubuntuguide.org doesnt work with it
[10:37] <Jesse1> sknroiws, what doesnt work most of it should
[10:37] <sknroiws> All the installing applications stuff
[10:37] <Jesse1> sknroiws, did u add the extra repositores list
[10:37] <sulff> skrnoiws thanks for the link
[10:37] <sknroiws> Yes
[10:38] <sknroiws> What kind of internet connection do you have sulff
[10:38] <sknroiws> It takes a pretty good connection to run a decent server.
[10:38] <Jesse1> the apt-get command should work in all versions of ubuntu
[10:38] <sknroiws> It doesnt find the packages
[10:38] <sknroiws> I even had a guy send me his sources.list file
[10:39] <sknroiws> And I put it in
[10:39] <Jesse1> ....
[10:39] <sknroiws> And It still didnt find it
[10:39] <Jesse1> did u try apt-get update
[10:39] <Jesse1> first
[10:39] <Jesse1> then try apt-get package
[10:39] <sknroiws> Yes
[10:39] <Jesse1> tryed the synaptic?
[10:40] <sknroiws> No
[10:40] <sknroiws> Just apt-get
[10:40] <Jesse1> well try the synaptic it probably will give you a better error than apt-get will
[10:40] <sulff> i have only 256 kbits of upload lol
[10:40] <sknroiws> ><
[10:40] <sknroiws> You need better upload
[10:40] <Jesse1> sluff if more that 3 people connect there will die
[10:40] <sulff> :/
[10:41] <sulff> lol
[10:41] <sknroiws> I have 2mbit upload
[10:41] <sulff> ok
[10:41] <Jesse1> ive got 64 :P i win
[10:41] <sulff> :s in france uploads sucks
[10:41] <sknroiws> :o
[10:41] <sulff> lol
[10:41] <sknroiws> Well I use to have 256kbit upload
[10:41] <sknroiws> But then I got FIOS
[10:42] <sknroiws> 15mbit down/2mbit up
[10:42] <sulff> ok
[10:42] <Jesse1> sknroiws, thats a nice conncection
[10:42] <sknroiws> :p
[10:42] <sulff> i have 8 mb / 256 kbits lool
[10:42] <sknroiws> Indeed it is
[10:42] <sknroiws> I only pay $50 a month for it to
[10:42] <Jesse1> ive got 256kb / 64
[10:42] <sknroiws> Thats sad Jesse1
[10:43] <sknroiws> Want to live at my house
[10:43] <sulff> :/
[10:43] <Jesse1> ..
[10:43] <Jesse1> the interent connections in austrlalia suck
[10:43] <Jesse1> and so does my spelling
[10:43] <sknroiws> Damn
[10:43] <orlando> hi, ubuntu keeps switching back to default 1600x1200 resolution on startup even though i checked 'Make Default' when i changed to 1024x768. how do I make ubuntu start in 1024x768
[10:44] <Yuki-San> doesn anyone here run a ununtu server, so if i run into trouble they can maybe help me ^^
[10:45] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, u have dial up?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Jesse1: yes
[10:45] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, dang i would hate going back to dial up
[10:46] <Seveas> Yuki-San, lots of people run Ubuntu as some sort of server
[10:46] <Seveas> Yuki-San, like all *.ubuntu.com domains :)
[10:46] <Yuki-San> oh...
[10:46] <thoreauputic> it's enough for me most of the time - only the occasional big download is a problem
[10:46] <Yuki-San> but are they in here...
[10:47] <Seveas> Yuki-San, I use it as server too :)
[10:47] <sulff> does someone know the line command to create a repertorie? lol
[10:47] <Yuki-San> i's gonna be the kubuntu, cuz i can't stand gnome
[10:47] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, my 256 is pushing on what i need 3 computer all use the internet at once = :(
[10:47] <Seveas> Yuki-San, makes no difference for servers :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: you can run a server without any graphical desktop at all (in fact many do)
[10:48] <Jesse1> sulff, you hve to edit the source.list file
[10:49] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, ..... dang i find it hard enough runnign a server even with the cpanel
[10:49] <sulff> ok
[10:50] <nelsonrat> I can't get my Live CD to work
[10:51] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, did you change the boot routine?
[10:51] <nelsonrat> Yes
[10:52] <Biffi> hi all, I have a installation problem
[10:52] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, have you got the right live cd?
[10:52] <Biffi> clould someone help me?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Biffi: just ask nd if someone can, they will help
[10:52] <topyli> sulff: you mean to create an local apt repository of your own stuff?
[10:52] <Jesse1> Biffi, there are many problems that can happen in the installation saying you have a problem is not enough
[10:53] <Biffi> bsdutils could not found i think
[10:53] <Yuki-San> at what point in the install should it ask me if i want to set it up as a server?
[10:53] <Jesse1> topyli, i tried doing that i could get it to work
[10:53] <nelsonrat> i downloaded from www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Biffi: tell us at what point the install fails, and what the errors are
[10:54] <Biffi> point : installing basesystem
[10:54] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, there are 3 types of live cd's that you could have downloaded
[10:54] <topyli> sulff: see the apt howto, section 2.2, "how to use apt locally"
[10:54] <Biffi> error: it chraches on 6% bsdutils
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Biffi: is your CD OK ? Does the md5sum match? Did you burn it yourself?
[10:55] <Biffi> yes bern myself
[10:55] <Jesse1> make sure the cd has no scratchs and the download isnt corrupted
[10:56] <Jesse1> you could try ordering the cd that will make sure that there was no problem with hte download
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Biffi: if the ISO isn't corrupted, try burning it at a slower speed (say 4x)
[10:56] <nelsonrat> I downloaded The IntelX86 liveCD
[10:56] <Biffi> okay
[10:56] <Seveas> Yuki-San, if you want to run both the gui and some services, you should just use the standard install
[10:56] <Biffi> i will try
[10:56] <Biffi> thnx
[10:57] <Seveas> Yuki-San, if you want a machine without GUI, type server as boot option
[10:57] <Yuki-San> Seveas, i did
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Biffi: make sure the md5sum matches
[10:57] <Seveas> Yuki-San, then you'll just have to install the services you want :D
[10:57] <Biffi> okay
[10:57] <Yuki-San> i already installed it and i don't remember it asking me if i want to run it as a server...
[10:58] <Yuki-San> Seveas, or something similar
[10:58] <Seveas> Yuki-San, you are missing some clue here :)
[10:58] <Yuki-San> Seveas, t ejected the cd and is doing a bunch of stuff now
[10:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> why would an uninstalled program keep it's settings from the last install?
[10:58] <Seveas> There is no difference between a server machine and a client machine
[10:58] <Yuki-San> Seveas, eha?
[10:58] <Yuki-San> oh...
[10:58] <Corical> anyone know of something better than  magic draw ?
[10:58] <Seveas> The installed services make a machine a 'web server' or 'mail server
[10:59] <Seveas> etc..
[10:59] <Yuki-San> then why does the fedora install ask you if you want to use it as a server of workstation?
[10:59] <Seveas> Well, because fedora sucks :)
[10:59] <Yuki-San> i wnat it to be a web server
[10:59] <Yuki-San> i like fedora ... :/
[10:59] <Yuki-San> it's been good to me
[10:59] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the packageing system respects the config you had: if you want to wipe the config use ' sudo apt-get remove --purge "
[10:59] <mindspin> Seveas that means when installing with server options, X etc will be installed too?
[10:59] <Seveas> Yuki-San, then you'll just have to aptitude install apache2 after the thing has setup the base systen
[11:00] <Seveas> mindspin, no, I was talking about the concept of what makes a computer a server...
[11:00] <Yuki-San> Seveas, eh? whats that?
[11:00] <Seveas> Yuki-San, the command 'aptitude install apache2' will install apache 2
[11:00] <Yuki-San> ok...
[11:00] <Seveas> just like 'aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4' installs php 4 :)
[11:00] <Yuki-San> is there a howto for this... .>.>;
[11:01] <mindspin> Yuki-San can you test your server locally or will it be public from the start?
[11:01] <Yuki-San>  i mean what do i do then?
[11:01] <mindspin> I would recommend to test it locally first
[11:01] <Yuki-San> public...
[11:01] <Yuki-San> ok
[11:01] <Yuki-San> how do i do all of this?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: umm - running a server without doing any research beforehand is probably not a good move
[11:01] <Seveas> Then you read through the apache config and notice how wonderful the debian package system and the debian apache framework is :D
[11:01] <mindspin> plug a crossover cable to teh machine and another pc
[11:02] <mindspin> assuming you have no LAN at home
[11:02] <Yuki-San> thoreauputic, you are right, bt it's to late now
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: it's never too late to read documentation and howtos
[11:02] <Yuki-San> Seveas, it's pluged into a router, can i check with that?
[11:02] <Yuki-San> thoreauputic, link?
[11:03] <Yuki-San> plz...
[11:03] <mindspin> Yuki-San do you have a static IP?
[11:03] <Yuki-San> :D
[11:03] <Yuki-San> yes
[11:03] <mindspin> and the router is a blackbox one?
[11:03] <Yuki-San> not sure...
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: umm - google? What about searching the Ubuntu wiki? Visiting the apache home page?
[11:03] <mindspin> or another computer
[11:03] <Yuki-San> but kununtu just botted up
[11:04] <Yuki-San> booted*\
[11:10] <learn25> help!
[11:11] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected. this was automatically detected before. help pls.
[11:11] <jwark> good day to you all! :-)
[11:11] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected. this was automatically detected before. help pls.
[11:12] <learn25> i did'nt done anything.
[11:12] <learn25> maybe i was attacked by a virus???
[11:12] <learn25> maybe i was attacked by a virus???
[11:12] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected. this was automatically detected before. help pls.
[11:14] <Yuki-San> hey guys it won'y let me be root for some
[11:14] <Yuki-San> reason
[11:14] <Yuki-San> it says password incorrent, and it's the right password
[11:14] <Seveas> learn25: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:14] <Seveas> Yuki-San, what wants to be root?
[11:14] <mindspin> Yuki-San you have to use sudo
[11:14] <topyli> learn25: you don't have a virus, that's 99% certain :)
[11:14] <Yuki-San> is did su
[11:14] <thoreauputic> learn25: there are no viruses for linux in the wild :)
[11:14] <learn25> i wondering why my flash drive cannot be detected in my ubuntu now
[11:15] <learn25> i tried to boot under xp to check and it was detected
[11:15] <mindspin> Yuki-San which username did you give?
[11:15] <learn25> but now under ubuntu my flash drive is lost.
[11:15] <Yuki-San> oishii
[11:15] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[11:15] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:15] <mindspin> thats your regular user
[11:16] <learn25> this was detected by ubuntu before
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: read that
[11:16] <learn25> this is strange.
[11:17] <mindspin> Yuki -san I would strongly recommend not going public with your webserver until you reall know what you do and had some heavy testing
[11:17] <mindspin> especially when it comes to security
[11:17] <mindspin> there are enough messed up windows machines outside
[11:17] <Seveas> :o)
[11:18] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: I would suggest you do some basic reading about Ubuntu first, like the FAQ
[11:18] <zoor> Hi everyone. I'm kinda new with this whole linux thingy. I just wonder... how on earth I can have programs to start up as default when I turn on my computer. I mean for instance I have downloaded a program called gdeskcal which is a program that displays the callendar. Perfectly for me. But I'd like it to just be there without having to write gdeskcal in terminal. Because as soon as terminal is shutdown the program disappear
[11:18] <zoor> s. Hope you understand
[11:18] <thoreauputic> !faq
[11:18] <ubotu> [faq]  Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[11:18] <mindspin> linux is not secutre without some basic knowledge
[11:18] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected now. maybe i have to re-install ubuntu again ;-(
[11:18] <Seveas> learn25, does dmesg say it detects it?
[11:19] <Seveas> zoor, sytem->preferences->sessions
[11:19] <Seveas> click the "startup programs" tab
[11:19] <Seveas> and add it
[11:19] <Seveas> If you run it from a terminal, add an & to the command
[11:19] <Seveas> then you can close the terminal
[11:20] <Seveas> and you can also run a program from the "run program" dialog <alt><f2>
[11:20] <Seveas> So lots of options there :D
[11:20] <zoor> Seveas, ahhhh... thank you. You made my day :)
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> anybody here got diablo 2 LOD working with wine?
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> ??
[11:22] <Wilow> Hello I can't get my freaking sound to work im about to explode with anger.  My system sounds work but when i trie kaffeine, amarok and mplayer there is no sound what so ever.  Please find it in your heart to help me please.
[11:22] <Wilow> try*
[11:23] <Seveas> mplayer: set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:23] <Wilow> im using gnome
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> what sound card do you have?
[11:23] <Seveas> kaffeine/amarok: educate them to use esd/esound
[11:23] <Wilow> i dont know sorry
[11:23] <Seveas> no idea how, I don't use the programs
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> do you plug your speakers into the back of your comp?
[11:23] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, please read
[11:23] <Seveas> his sytem sounds work
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> well....
[11:24] <Seveas> so the other things simply don't use esd :)
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Wilow: fro amarok I suggest you install amarok-xine and change the engine for amarok to xine
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> reinstall the programs... or compile them yourself
[11:24] <Wilow> mplayer: set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ? how am i suppose to use this? i tried mplayer (SONG) set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:25] <black-whisp> Seveas: i've added the wine Repositories as the wine guide says but when i use  the  command apt-get update it says ignored to the wine Repositories??? can you give me any help?
[11:25] <Wilow> my speakers are desktop speakers plugged into system unit
[11:25] <Seveas> Wilow, type this in the terminal: sudo gedit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:25] <Seveas> that opens a file, search for a line that starts with ao
[11:25] <Seveas> change that line to ao=esd
[11:25] <Wilow> there is nothing in there
[11:25] <Seveas> save the file
[11:25] <Wilow> its a black file
[11:25] <Seveas> and done
[11:25] <Wilow> blank
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> make sure you spelled it right
[11:26] <Seveas> please make sure you did not make a typo
[11:26] <Seveas> because the file should be there :)
[11:26] <Wilow> sudo gedit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Wilow: have you installed mplayer??
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> try reinstalling mplayer in either case
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> apt-get install mplayer
[11:27] <Wilow> yeah but i installed it to opt or something if followed a guide
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> wit sudo in front
[11:27] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, that's nonsense :)
[11:27] <Seveas> Wilow, ARGH!
[11:27] <Seveas> you should not compile it manually...
[11:28] <Seveas> it's available from the repositories...
[11:28] <Seveas> Which guide did you follow?
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: what do you mean, thats what i am known for!! :P
[11:28] <Seveas> Because the author of that guide needs some serious spanking...
[11:28] <Wilow> it was called the unofficial ubuntu guide or something
[11:28] <Seveas> Wilow, ubuntuguide.org is crap
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> and if its a women, then it'll be me doing the spanking
[11:28] <Wilow> ffs i followed it letter for letter
[11:28] <mindspin> Ok, I need to compile a program by myself any problems with this? are there differences to compiling something on debian?
[11:28] <Seveas> And this proves it even more :)
[11:29] <Seveas> mindspin, no
[11:29] <Seveas> Wilow, enable multiverse and install mplayer with synaptic
[11:29] <Seveas> wilow: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:29] <Wilow> how how how
[11:29] <Seveas> wilow: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:29] <seifu> hey Seveas, saw you post some (tons) of helpful hints earlier, re: wifi, etc... I'm having some weird connection issues, wondering if u have the time to help....
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> mindspin: depends what you are compiling, but it should be about the same
[11:29] <Seveas> read the first url, use the second...
[11:29] <Wilow> i think i have already added repositories
[11:29] <Seveas> seifu, just ask, there are other people in here too
[11:29] <seifu> truth
[11:29] <Wilow> is that when you uncomment code in a file using gedit?
[11:29] <Seveas> Wilow, ah from the ubuntuguide right?
[11:30] <Wilow> yeah
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> you know synaptic is a little buggy....
[11:30] <Seveas> bad idea
[11:30] <Seveas> Wilow, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:30] <seifu> basically... using the linksys (broadcom 4306) card, i've configured and installed ndiswrapper, wpa_supplicant, etc
[11:30] <Seveas> remove *all* content
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> it suddenly closed on me for no apperent reason
[11:30] <Seveas> and put in the sources listed at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:30] <Wilow> Seveas: done then?
[11:30] <seifu> card's recognized, seen by system, even sees my wlan, and other surrounding ones, but the connections not stable
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> seifu: sounds like its the card
[11:31] <Seveas> seifu, does wpa_cli give you hints on what goes wrong?
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> seifu: try to up the power output of the base station
[11:31] <black-whisp> hmm. i have a problem.. when i try to install software of i386 architecture it gives my an error and says it doesnt match my system amd64.. is it possible to install i386 software in a 64bit system???
[11:31] <Wilow> Seveas: delete it all then paste just aht in?
[11:31] <Seveas> is it the association or just the network
[11:31] <Seveas> Wilow, yes
[11:31] <Wilow> done
[11:31] <seifu> DukalNamu... card work[ed]  fine under XP, base station output is already at max
[11:31] <Seveas> black-whisp, only if you make a 32bit chroot
[11:32] <Seveas> black-whisp, there are howto's for that on the wiki
[11:32] <black-whisp> Seveas: what does the chroot thing mean?
[11:32] <seifu> Seveas: i think it's the association... i'm using an airport extreme/ airport express WDS network
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> seifu: then i have a feelling i am going to be in your position in a matter of weeks
[11:32] <Wilow> Seveas: awaiting futhur instructions
[11:32] <Wilow> er
[11:32] <Seveas> Wilow, run sudo apt-get update
[11:33] <Seveas> (as soon as you saved & closed the file)
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> then run sudo apt-get install mplayer
[11:33] <Wilow> Seveas: done hurry please i gtg soon and i want to get this finished thans
[11:34] <Seveas> do what DukGalNamu said :)
[11:34] <seifu> yeah, DukGalNamu, i'm not a newbie, so definitely know i've followed the guides, stuff works nicely... my network currently hosts about 6 other machines/ net devices... stuff's configured and working nice, just ubuntu that's not paying ball
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> :yeah i did something right!!1
[11:34] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, almost ;
[11:34] <Seveas> ;)
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> heh
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:34] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install mplayer-custom (this might work better)
[11:35] <Wilow> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:35] <Wilow>   mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not installable
[11:35] <Wilow> E: Broken packages
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> ummmm
[11:35] <Wilow> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[11:35] <Wilow> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[11:35] <Wilow> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[11:35] <Wilow> or been moved out of Incoming.
[11:35] <seifu> DukalNamu... you're going to be using the same card also?
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> seifu: probably not
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> seifu: but i have enough trouble networking as it is
[11:36] <Seveas> Wilow, one sec..
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> seifu: have you installed the latest drivers and firmware?
[11:36] <Wilow> k
[11:36] <seifu> overall, the network in Ubuntu is flawless, i have another server running Hoary, with two different cards, works fine... it's just the wireless...
[11:37] <Wilow> Ubuntu runs smooth but the sound issue is really starting to pizz me off since I badly want to listen to my songs.
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> have you tried installing xmms?
[11:37] <seifu> DukalNamu... yah, all drivers...
[11:37] <Wilow> i dont care what player i use
[11:37] <Seveas> wilow, type this: wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:37] <Wilow> mplayer or amarok i just want frizzing sound
[11:37] <Seveas> Wilow, totem has sound ;)
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> try apt-get install xmms
[11:38] <DukGalNamu> sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:38] <Wilow> last line : : : : :: :: : w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb: Permission denied
[11:39] <Wilow> hold on ill try using sudo on wget
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> no
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> don't
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> that sounds bad
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> crap its late
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Wilow: no
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> Wilow: try again tomorrow
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> Wilow: or thoreauputic will help
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> bye
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Wilow: that command works perfectly here: try copy-pasting it to a terminal
[11:40] <Wilow> ok i just got xmms press the play button.  the play button is still in pushed in button positiosn (visually) and nothing is happening
[11:40] <Wilow> i did
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Wilow: in xmms prefs, change the output plugin to esound
[11:40] <Wilow> i copy paste all commands
[11:41] <Wilow> omg thoreauputic it worked
[11:42] <Wilow> i have frizzing sound!
[11:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:43] <Wilow> it was on OSS Driver 1.2.10 [libOSS.so]  and i changed it to es output plugin 1.2.10 [libesdout.so]
[11:43] <thoreauputic> yup
[11:43] <Wilow> can you change it in mplayer?
[11:43] <Wilow> change it to esoutput plugin?
[11:44] <Biffi> hi it's me agian :)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Wilow: you can, but I strongly suggest you get the Ubuntu mplayer as Seveas said
[11:44] <Biffi> i've done the checksum on my ubuntu cd ....
[11:44] <Biffi> and it contains 3errors
[11:44] <Wilow> yeah but we just got half way through it and something happened?
[11:44] <Biffi> have I to download the whole cd again?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Biffi: well, yes I guess you do
[11:44] <Biffi> :s
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Wilow: did you do a ` sudo apt-get update ` with your new sources.list in place?
[11:45] <Wilow> yes
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Wilow: no errors on the update?
[11:47] <Wilow> wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb seems to be dling now
[11:47] <Wilow> hwo big is it?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Wilow: that deb will get you a whole set of windows codecs, which should allow you to play most formats
[11:48] <thoreauputic> wget should tell you ETA etc
[11:48] <Wilow> DATE (133.27 KB/s) - `w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb' saved [13,228,654
[11:48] <Wilow> now what?
[11:49] <Wilow> i still havent installed mplayer just the windows codecs?
[11:49] <Wilow> or am i using my current mplayer ver
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Wilow: you should have a deb in that directory then
[11:49] <thoreauputic> fro those codecs
[11:49] <thoreauputic> *for
[11:49] <Wilow> w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:49] <Wilow> \
[11:49] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg -i  w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:49] <Wilow> i remember putting some codecs a while back on that unofficial site
[11:50] <Wilow> in a certain folder for mplayer
[11:50] <Whistler> when i start ubuntu i get this msg http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/177
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Wilow: this is the same as doing that
[11:50] <Wilow> did it thor
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:51] <Whistler> anybody can help me?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: is this a fresh install?
[11:51] <Wilow> thoreauputic: ready
[11:51] <Whistler> HrdwrBoB nope
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> did it work before?
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> if so, undo what you did :)
[11:52] <Whistler> HrdwrBoB yes but yesterday i got updates
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Wilow: have you tried installing mpayer again? BTW I suggest trying totem-xine instead
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: are you using breezy?
[11:53] <Whistler> nope
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Wilow: I suggest you try ` sudo apt-get install totem-xine ` (don't worry if it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop and totem-gstreamer)
[11:55] <mindspin> does it make sense to install from debian mirror via apt-get instead of compiling a program by yourself ->apt-pinning
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: try removing option
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> Xkbrules "xfree86"
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> from your config if you have it
[11:55] <mindspin> just again, sorry maybe seveas can tell..
[11:56] <thoreauputic> mindspin: which program? Using debian sources is generally not a good move...
[11:56] <mindspin> does it make sense to install from debian mirror via apt-get instead of compiling a program by yourself ->apt-pinning
[11:56] <mindspin> i have to upgrade fwbuilder
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> mindspin: depends on how you want to manage your system
[11:56] <mindspin> and I need some qt stuff to be installed
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> apt-pinning will make it easier to track/upgrade/remove
[11:56] <Seveas> mindspin, almost all packages from debian are in Ubuntu too
[11:56] <Seveas> if you want to install from a debian mirror use apt-get -b source $packagename
[11:57] <mindspin> but not the version of fwbuilder i used
[11:57] <Seveas> then, do the apt-get source trick :)
[11:57] <mindspin> and i have to re-read aproject file
[11:57] <Seveas> oh and apt-get build-dep fwbuilder might be a good trick too ;)
[11:57] <mindspin> which cannot be opened by the ubuntu fwbuilder
[11:59] <Seveas> Aramil, please turn that off in here...
[11:59] <Seveas> araw1-, please turn that off in here...
[12:03] <josef> #linuxger
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Wilow: I assume by your silence that you have sorted out your problems?
[12:10] <mushroom> Hello World!!
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[12:15] <Seveas> hello mushroom :)
[12:15] <yor> Gnome does not load automatically anymore. I have to type 'startx' after logging in. How can I fix this?
[12:15] <Seveas> hi pmjdebruijn
[12:15] <Seveas> yor, sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[12:16] <yor> thank you ;)
[12:16] <pmjdebruijn> my dutch language support won't work... when I login I get something like locale NL-nl UTF-8 doesn't exist, using default...
[12:16] <Whistler> is it posible to have flash on ubuntu?
[12:16] <keikoz> yes
[12:16] <keikoz> i just dont remember how :p
[12:17] <Whistler> hmm.
[12:17] <Whistler> cossover office maybe?
[12:17] <zerokills> i tried to log on to my web email using Galeon, and its giving me an error that i need to install PSM (personal security manager).. anyone know how to install that?
[12:17] <keikoz> flashplayer-mozilla
[12:17] <keikoz> in synaptic
[12:17] <Seveas> pmjdebruijn, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:18] <Bader> hi
[12:18] <Seveas> Whistler, only on i386, not on PPC or AMD64
[12:18] <Seveas> zerokarmaleft, install mozilla-psm
[12:18] <Bader> I would ask how many time took cds by ship it come ? It's an important issue for us.
[12:18] <Seveas> zerokills, install mozilla-psm
[12:18] <zerokills> thanks seveas
[12:18] <Seveas> Bader, several weeks
[12:19] <Bader> Seveas: less than one month ?
[12:19] <Seveas> Bader, usually not
[12:19] <iphitus> i want to install some updated versions of a handfull of packages, firstly would it be safe to install them from debian unstable? or breezy? in particular, inkscape
[12:19] <Bader> Seveas: and for a group somewhere in a little town in France ?
[12:19] <Seveas> But if you have a good reason to want it within a month, ask Mako if he can speed up your request.
[12:20] <Seveas> iphitus, rather go for debian unstable if the package uses C++
[12:20] <iphitus> ok
[12:20] <Bader> It's because we organize what we call here a "colonie de vacances" with computer lessons, so Ubuntu will be distributed to the participants (teenagers).
[12:20] <iphitus> how abouts would I go about getting that? I only want inkscape, and maybe a few others along the track for now
[12:20] <iphitus> udpated liferea too
[12:20] <Bader> and my cd burner is broken :(
[12:21] <Seveas> Bader, that's a good reason to request a speedup, you should drop mako a line
[12:21] <Bader> oki
[12:21] <Bader> thank you
[12:21] <Seveas> yw
[12:24] <zerokills> morning all btw
[12:25] <Seveas> mornin'
[12:25] <m0r0n> device is busy when attempting to umount a directory. Why does the gam_server use this directory and how is it possible to umount it?
[12:25] <Seveas> m0r0n, kill gam_server and you can umount it
[12:25] <m0r0n> ok
[12:26] <anatole> anyone knows how can i decompress *.ace files?
[12:26] <Seveas> unace
[12:27] <Seveas> package unace ;)
[12:27] <anatole> thank you :)
[12:27] <m0r0n> Seveas, it's still busy after killing the gam_server and lsof -l doesnt print any output
[12:28] <anatole> File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible. >_<
[12:28] <Seveas> :|
[12:28] <anatole> what makes people to compress in ace
[12:28] <Seveas> lack of IQ
[12:29] <anatole> ;)
[12:29] <Seveas> Hi Lunahood
[12:29] <Lunahood> hi seveas :)
[12:29] <holycow> *hmmm*
[12:30] <holycow> anyone having problems installing mplayer on their system?
[12:30] <holycow> marillat seems to have built their binaries with newer libraries than available in ubuntu?
[12:30] <rob^> holycow, no.
[12:30] <rob^> dont use marillat
[12:30] <holycow> really?
[12:30] <holycow> alternatives?
[12:30] <zerokills> holycow, i think i gave up on installing mplayer because i couldnt get it to work
[12:30] <Vjaz> holycow, xine?
[12:31] <holycow> my libdvdcss is having trouble decoding one dvd
[12:31] <Vjaz> holycow, heh, I had a computer I called holycow once
[12:31] <holycow> :)
[12:31] <Vjaz> (I mean I had it once... it was called holycow on several occasions)
[12:31] <Seveas> muha :)
[12:31] <holycow> i'm pretty sure its libdvdcss thats having the problem but i'd like to install mplayer just to check
[12:31] <Seveas> holycow, mplayer is in ubuntu multiverse
[12:31] <rob^> yes, holycow have you tried xine?
[12:31] <holycow> Seveas, it refuses to install
[12:31] <holycow> rob^, thats all i run
[12:32] <holycow> rob^, problems decoding 1 newish dvd
[12:33] <lena> tt
[12:33] <holycow> oh weird, Seveas okay you are correct
[12:34] <holycow> i didn't clue into the fact marillat would interfere with the dependency resolution
[12:34] <holycow> i should of known
[12:34] <rob^> holycow, it should work in totem also
[12:34] <holycow> rob^, your not reading what i'm writing
[12:34] <holycow> :)
[12:35] <rob^> I get an error about decode_audio when using mplayer
[12:35] <holycow> libdvdcss is not decoding certain vob's properly
[12:35] <holycow> i.e. i cant even browse the file system of the dvd
[12:35] <holycow> mk?
[12:35] <holycow> and i use xine
[12:35] <zerokills> just for fun i tried to install mplayer just now, and it gave me 5 options to choose from, which would be best for my AMD Athlon 1700+?
[12:35] <holycow> i.e. totem = xine as in i deinstalled totem-gstreamer and installed totem-xine :)
[12:35] <holycow> and w32codecs, yada yada
[12:35] <holycow> :)
[12:35] <holycow> last test is mplayer because that bitch plays anything
[12:36] <lena> there is some body speak french???
[12:36] <zerokills> have you tried VLC?
[12:36] <holycow> if it can't read the dvd i'm hooped until the next libdvdcss publishing
[12:36] <holycow> oh right vlc no :)
[12:36] <holycow> infact good time to try
[12:36] <holycow> i did try ogle for the first time tho :)
[12:36] <rob^> holycow, have you tiied libdvdcss2?
[12:36] <zerokills> VLC is the answer to all my problems
[12:36] <rob^> tried..
[12:36] <zerokills> ;)
[12:36] <holycow> rob^, oh right, thats the one i installed, *nod*
[12:37] <holycow> rob^, hehe i know i know :) <-- hense the smileys
[12:37] <holycow> my thanks
[12:37] <sknroiws> How long does it take to get the cds I ordered?
[12:37] <zerokills> too long
[12:37] <rob^> hehe yeah
[12:38] <sknroiws> Does anyone know?
[12:38] <sknroiws> The amount of days
[12:38] <rob^> sknroiws, it took about a month or more before they arrived here in aus
[12:38] <whoops> I forgot how to turn on dma, what is the command hdparm -d1?
[12:38] <sknroiws> Well im in the US
[12:39] <zerokills> sknroiws, its been about 2 weeks since i ordered mine and they still havent arrived
[12:39] <rob^> whoops, hdpram -d1 (device)
[12:39] <zerokills> im in the US as well
[12:39] <rob^> whoops, eg hdpram -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:40] <anatole> hah, unace worked with a newer version
[12:40] <anatole> the pkg should be updated...
[12:41] <anatole> it's version 1.2 while the latest is 2.2
[12:44] <_linuxAS_> hi
[12:44] <whoops> rob^, thanks - later
[12:44] <rob^> np
[12:45] <holycow> rob^, heh i just discovered my dvd didn't havd dma on either
[12:45] <holycow> i wonder why this isn't on by default
[12:46] <rob^> compatibility
[12:46] <rob^> mainly with older devices
[12:46] <SpOoki> hello
[12:46] <SpOoki> can u help me ?
[12:47] <rob^> just ask :)
[12:47] <SpOoki> thanx hmm
[12:47] <holycow> ah!
[12:47] <SpOoki> i forgot my root pass
[12:47] <holycow> neat, didn't know
[12:47] <shawarma> SpOoki: That's because you probably don't have one.
[12:47] <rob^> SpOoki, did you enable the root account?
[12:47] <SpOoki> i don't know
[12:48] <rob^> then you dont have
[12:48] <rob^> one
[12:48] <shawarma> SpOoki: Most likely you don't need it. What are you trying to do?
[12:48] <SpOoki> ok :)
[12:48] <rob^> ubuntu uses sudo instead, just enter your normal password when promped
[12:48] <SpOoki> i am going to ubuntu now
[12:48] <SpOoki> ttyl
[12:49] <SpOoki> and thanx a lot
[12:49] <rob^> np
[12:49] <shawarma> SpOoki: No problem.
[12:49] <shawarma> SpOoki: Cheers.
[12:50] <rob^> coffee time
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to make streamtuner the default app for inet radio?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: streamtuner isn't really an app for inet radio in itself: it has to use xmms or beep or some other player for the actual playing...
[12:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok how do i make it act like the default player?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ?
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> because i wanna record some music
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i don't know how to snag the stream
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that kaffiene player won't let me >.<
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: why bother? You can add bookmarks to it for your favourite streams anyway
[12:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm ok but kaffine get into it before i can do anything >.<
[12:55] <thoreauputic> if it's an m3u just download the file and look at the URL in an editor (same for pls files I think)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: right click, save as ?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> some streams you can't record because they are "protected"
[12:55] <shawarma> thoreauputic: I don't know if you ever listen to the radio, but they play different songs at different times. If you tune in to the same radio station at two different times, chances are that they'll be playing somehting else the second time around. :-D
[12:56] <conchi> hello
[12:56] <SpOoki> hello
[12:56] <thoreauputic> shawarma: erm...and your point is ?
[12:56] <SpOoki> i need help to install xmms
[12:56] <shawarma> thoreauputic: *COUGH* bullshit *COUGH* :-) If it can be played back, it can be recorded.
[12:56] <conchi> hablais spanish
[12:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have xmms but it dosen't pick up the stream
[12:56] <rommer> has anyone here successfully installed php5?
[12:56] <shawarma> thoreauputic: That saving a bookmark is no substitute for recording stuff.
[12:56] <Seveas> SpOoki, sudo aptitude install xmms
[12:57] <thoreauputic> shawarma: OK - but some stations make it more difficult
[12:57] <Seveas> rommer, look at the wiki
[12:57] <Seveas> there are instructions on there
[12:57] <rommer> i have and it still doesnt work
[12:57] <Seveas> ah k
[12:57] <conchi> i have problem to wirelles
[12:57] <thoreauputic> shawarma: I think you totally misunderstood what I meant - but be happy in your wisdom
[12:57] <shawarma> thoreauputic: mplayer has a -dumpstream option that just dumps the raw stream. It also has a dumpaudio, that dumps the sound as a wave file. If everything else fails, esdmon can do the trick.
[12:57] <conchi> help me?
[12:58] <Seveas> conchi, just state the problem
[12:58] <rommer> Seveas: it comes up with: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4 PHP/5.0.4 Server at server Port 80: if the page is not there, and it doesn't load anything when trying to load a php page, but html pages work
[12:58] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Sorry then. I just thought me meant that there was no point in recording anything as he could just bookmark the stream. That didn't make much sense to me.
[12:58] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Er... "I thought YOU meant"...
[12:58] <SpOoki> after sudo aptitude install xmms what should i do next ?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> shawarma: no, that's not what I meant
[12:59] <Seveas> rommer, have you edited the apache config to actually load the modules?
[12:59] <Seveas> and *remove* the php4 module from the config
[12:59] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Ok. Sorry if I seemed arrogant. English is not my native language. Sometimes it's hard for me to convey the twinkle in my eye, when I say stuff.
[12:59] <conchi> I have installed the card wirelles ovislink wl-8000pci with nediswrapper and it says to me that the hardware this detected and ready to be used and does not take Internet
[12:59] <thoreauputic> shawarma: we were discussing using streamtuner as a defult player: i was just saying the *actual* player is whatever you chose in the streamtuner prefs
[01:00] <thoreauputic> shawarma: OK no worries :)
[01:00] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Oh! Yeah, that makes more sense. :-)
[01:00] <rommer> Seveas: thsi is the only line in httpd.conf -> LoadModule php5_module        /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so
[01:02] <conchi> help me please
[01:04] <shawarma> Wow. Talk about being impatient.
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thoreauputic how to change that stupid xmms to amaorK in streamtuner?
[01:05] <conchi> hello
[01:05] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you edit the line in the preferences to substitute your player - I haven't tried amarok (I use beep here) but I guess it's possible
[01:05] <Seveas> conchi, what is the error you get..?
[01:05] <conchi> problem to wirelles
[01:06] <Seveas> conchi, i've seen that
[01:06] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you might need to look at the commandline options for amarok I guess
[01:06] <Seveas> can you be a bit more specific :)
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how well does beep work?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's basically a prettied up xmms, frankly
[01:07] <thoreauputic> works fine for me...
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:07] <shawarma> conchi: Can you give more details, please?
[01:07] <conchi> seveas I have installed ndiswrapper with drivers of Windows, and she says despues once to me put that she recognizes the card and this list to me to be used, I have put I have loaded I modulate and in the grafico surroundings she recognizes the card to me but she does not connect to Internet
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you give me the setting so i can change it in my streamtuner?
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i kinda don't understans %xmms% lol
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or xmms q% even
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I suggest you type " amarok --help" and look at the options - there are quite a few
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:08] <shawarma> conchi: Which card is it?
[01:08] <Seveas> hmm, conchi I guess english is not your native language... Have you run the following commands:
[01:09] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -m
[01:09] <thoreauputic> I think amarok -p will play a plylist
[01:09] <conchi> you pardon my language use google to translate the words because I am Spanish
[01:09] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -i DRIVER
[01:09] <thoreauputic> *playlist
[01:09] <Seveas> conchi, maybe it is better for you to go to #ubuntu-es, there are more spanish people there :)
[01:10] <conchi> ok
[01:10] <conchi> thank yoou
[01:10] <berkes> any apache server gurus in here, maybe? I am trying to get mod_pam working, but I am stuck. Have been hopping various channeels already, without luck
[01:11] <Seveas> berkes, i don't know mod_pam, but I know apache fairle well, what's the problem?
[01:12] <berkes> Seveas: I try to get authentication (for DAV) over mod_pam, instead of the default mod_auth with text-files
[01:12] <berkes> the text-file aauthentication works as expected but mod pam does not authenticate as it should
[01:13] <james__> i have just downloaded the latest opera deb and installed it using dpkg. can anyone tell me how I get opera to show up in my internet menu?
[01:13] <Seveas> berkes, sorry, that goes beyond my knowledge already :(
[01:14] <berkes> Seveas: np :)
[01:14] <berkes> even google has no anwsers it seems :(
[01:14] <Seveas> and httpd.apache.org?
[01:14] <shawarma> berkes: I've seen that problem.
[01:14] <shawarma> berkes: You're probably using a shadow password database, right?
[01:15] <berkes> shawarma: could be, how do I know?
[01:15] <shawarma> berkes: If you don't know, then you're using a shadow database. :-)
[01:15] <berkes> hehe
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how does noatun work good?
[01:15] <shawarma> berkes: The trick is that only root can authenticate users in that case.
[01:16] <berkes> shawarma: off course. And apache cannot
[01:16] <Seveas> adduser www-data shadow looks like a bad idea :)
[01:16] <shawarma> berkes: The workaround I usually use is setup an LDAP database with all the users and their (encrypted) passwords in it.
[01:16] <shawarma> berkes: And then I authenticate against the LDAP server instead.
[01:16] <berkes> shawarma: hmm, yea.
[01:16] <berkes> LDAP is for the next stage in our project, though :(
[01:17] <berkes> so I thnik Ill just leave it to authenticate agains the plaintext default apache authentication
[01:17] <Seveas> berkes, if you don't mind that everyone can read the encrypted passwords, you can try adduser www-data shadow
[01:17] <erb> hi
[01:17] <berkes> thanks a lot for your time shawarma and Seveas
[01:18] <anouar> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:18] <shawarma> berkes: Oh, yeah, what Seveas says might be a good idea. If this is a public system, it's not a very good idea, though.
[01:18] <berkes> Seveas: hmm. I think i should not open up that security hole.
[01:18] <shawarma> erb: hi
[01:19] <berkes> its not very public, but I have been beaten to death recently.somehow every h@x0r on earth tried to get into that box last month :)
[01:19] <Seveas> berkes, I too think you shouldn't :)
[01:19] <Seveas> ouch :|
[01:19] <rob^> is gnomecal seg faulting for anyone else?
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possible for ubuntu to format a hd to fat32 from a livecd?
[01:20] <berkes> yea, portsniffers and ssh worms ate nearly 50% of my CPU for two weeks long :)
[01:20] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, might be possible, you can try mkfs.vfat or mkfs.fat32
[01:20] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare,  'mkfs -t vfat /dev/hda1'
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> hm ok..here is another question....
[01:21] <rob^> berkes, did you have those ports set to drop packets?
[01:21] <Mwnci> what is the minimum spec for ubuntu?   like in debian you can use a sliding scale to move your system from preformance to appearance. is that availabile in ubuntu?
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> is the ubuntu format command still the same 'retarded' 32gb limit on fat32 or not really?
[01:21] <berkes> rob^: hell, i was just installing everything :)
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> mwnci..mind you...can't please everyone in everything :p .. and beside not all distro are the same :-)
[01:21] <rob^> black_Nightmare, why do you want fat32?
[01:21] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare, depends... probably... it's just not sane to have fat32 > 32gb
[01:21] <berkes> sometimes i could hardly log in, to tweak teh iptables
[01:22] <pmjdebruijn> rob^, probably interoperability, it's the only fs both linux and windows can write
[01:22] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb...what if I just wanted to fill a 40gb hd as a single fat32 partition?
[01:22] <anouar> what is a good mp3 decoder for ubuntu totem player
[01:22] <Mwnci> black_Nightmare, what do you mean? i was complaining I was simply asking if it was possible
[01:22] <rob^> berkes, why not just pull the plug (internet connection that is)
[01:22] <berkes> because then our site would go offline :)
[01:22] <rob^> pmjdebruijn, thats what I thought
[01:22] <pmjdebruijn> anouar, apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[01:22] <black_Nightmare> mwnci..sorry I typed that bad..I was just commenting that you might not be able to find your requested feature on this distro I think
[01:22] <berkes> but its calmer now.
[01:22] <rob^> berkes, if you couldnt get onto it anyway..
[01:22] <anouar> hey de bruin!!
[01:23] <anouar> lol thnx
[01:23] <Seveas> gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:23] <anouar> what is it now
[01:23] <holycow> god, i'm looking through my cd rack for some free soft i once got with a cd player ...
[01:23] <anouar> 0.8 or
[01:23] <Mwnci> i use ubuntu on my laptop happily. how ever my girlfriend uses a much lower spec laptop that crashes from time to time since i took debian off and put unbuntu on. i was just wondering if I could either reduce the bells for preformance and check the laptop was within the minimum spec of ubuntu
[01:24] <holycow> ... and checking out all these so called 'commercial software titles aimed at satisfying the needs through the capitalist system' ....
[01:24] <Seveas> Mwnci, on a lower spec machine, try XFCE instead of Gnome
[01:24] <holycow> ... and all i see is nothing but lies and deciet
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb ... it kinda seem senseless to having to do 32+8gb on a single used hd so....after thinking about it for a while and how fdisk is ratherly limited I decided to try ask here especially regarding the livecd too
[01:24] <holycow> everything is designed to lie and decieve the user into buying yet another piece of crap good for nothing useless crap for 49.95
[01:24] <holycow> and i'm a red blooded capitalist
[01:25] <holycow> :)
[01:25] <holycow> its a little disconcerting to see things from this perspective
[01:25] <Mwnci> Seveas, im using kde. its the only window manager she likes
[01:25] <rob^> ?
[01:25] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare, you'll need to just try... i think the design limit for fat32 is 128GB, so you should be allright, though I'm not really sure
[01:25] <Seveas> Mwnci, hmm, KDE on a low spec machine is ASKING for trouble
[01:26] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb..hm ok thanks anyhow
[01:26] <topyli> holycow: heh. a "piece of crap good for noting useless crap" must be a pretty lousy piece of code
[01:26] <zerokills> Mwnci, i actually prefer xfce over KDE, just tell her to give it a shot
[01:26] <rob^> Seveas, I'm gonna run kubuntu on a p133 for testing purposes later
[01:26] <pmjdebruijn> Mwnci, try XFCE is really nice on low spec...
[01:26] <holycow> topyli, its not just the software ... its how the crap is packaged
[01:26] <Mwnci> ill have  a look. is it on apt?
[01:26] <holycow> nothing is in a clean standalone installer
[01:26] <Seveas> rob^, good luck :)
[01:26] <rob^> hehe thanks
[01:26] <pmjdebruijn> rob^, good luck, you can grow a beard when you're at it :)
[01:26] <jino> hi all
[01:26] <holycow> everything has its own installer and dumps crap everywhere first
[01:26] <Seveas> Mwnci, aptitude install xfce4
[01:27] <holycow> second none of it really installs one app
[01:27] <jino> plz temme how to install httpd service.
[01:27] <holycow> it installs usually other stuff and tries to phone home
[01:27] <brendan_> can anyone tell me how to look at my other hard drive?
[01:27] <rob^> jino, if you cant work it out you dont want to know
[01:27] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb...just curious but is there a common linux partition type for hmm..say single 120gb hds?
[01:27] <holycow> then makes you type in an activation code FOR SOFTWARE I BOUGHT WITH A CD BURNER
[01:27] <holycow> and on and on
[01:27] <Seveas> brendan_, put on your glasses and open your PC :)
[01:27] <holycow> i never haveto go through this crap on linux
[01:27] <brendan_> :P
[01:27] <topyli> holycow: at least you get another pretty icon in the windows notification area, next to the other 40 that are already there
[01:27] <Seveas> brendan_, is the other drive a windows drive (ie: fat32 or ntfs)
[01:27] <brendan_> I mean, from like the linux and open the hard drive from the terminal?
[01:27] <black_Nightmare> holy..thats called 'bundle' .. meaning its packed in one box but still treated seperately
[01:28] <JanC> jino : install "apache2"with synaptic ?
[01:28] <jino> rob^, the thing is...i wanna do cgi programming..
[01:28] <pmjdebruijn> I'm getting this when selecting Dutch at the GDM Language thingy, then when I logon: 'Language nl_NL.UTF-8 does not exist, using System default"
[01:28] <brendan_> ya, this hard drive has linux and the other has windows
[01:28] <holycow> oh great
[01:28] <rob^> black_Nightmare, no, but try either ext3 or reiserfs
[01:28] <Seveas> brendan_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[01:28] <jino> ya i have done it JanC
[01:28] <holycow> the fucking dvd player is stuck and the whole os is now frozen
[01:28] <holycow> jesus
[01:28] <brendan_> My friend did that
[01:28] <brendan_> but i cant figure out how to get to it
[01:28] <brendan_> :-/
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> rob...oh ok....how large a partition can these two handle (or can they fill 500gb? heh)
[01:28] <JanC> jino : then read the documentation ?
[01:28] <rob^> jino, why not try it on someone elses server
[01:29] <brendan_> he kept doing all this stuff really fast
[01:29] <rob^> jino, like a free one
[01:29] <brendan_> so i couldn't get most of it
[01:29] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: try running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and select the locales you want
[01:29] <pmjdebruijn> jino, first get to know apache before doing cgi programming... things like installing and starting apache should be trivial before doing cgi programming
[01:29] <jino> the cgi-bin folder doesnt appear
[01:29] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, ah, THANKYOU
[01:29] <rob^> better then leaving your box open to compromise due to you lacking experience
[01:29] <rob^> but then, some time people have to learn the hard way.. hehe
[01:30] <rob^> jino, if your an aussie try http://bur.st
[01:31] <jino> JanC , tthe cgi-bin folder doesnt appear
[01:31] <JanC> jino : a cgi-bin folder is not _required_
[01:31] <K_Dallas> is there a command to give you GMT ?
[01:31] <JanC> it's probably a good idea to use one
[01:31] <shawarma> K_Dallas: date --utc
[01:31] <Mwnci> seveas  whats the difference between apt-get  and aptitude?
[01:31] <K_Dallas> gooreat, thanks
[01:31] <jino> JanC , is it? why? the where will i park my web page and perl program..
[01:31] <brendan_> Seveas are you still here/
[01:31] <brendan_> ?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> just curious but anyone recoken that you could get 98se to just be able to read a linux hd?
[01:31] <rob^> K_Dallas, its not that hard to work out :P
[01:31] <Seveas> Mwnci, aptitude is better at uninstalling unneeded dependencies
[01:32] <Seveas> brendan_, yes
[01:32] <shawarma> Mwnci: apt-get is command line tool. Aptitude is menu-based.
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> or does the permission rights (admin too) in linux make that difficult
[01:32] <Mwnci> cool.
[01:32] <darthvader> need some quick help.. got an on board soundcard i dont want to use.. also got an sb audigy i want to use.. i dont hear any sound out of my audigy though. what do i have to do?
[01:32] <rob^> black_Nightmare, if its using ext2 you could
[01:32] <Seveas> darthvader, disable the onboard thing in your BIOS
[01:32] <rob^> there are windows drivers for it
[01:33] <black_Nightmare> rob...hm ty .. is there a size limit to ext2?
[01:33] <jino> JanC , how can i do it?
[01:33] <darthvader> k i will see if that works.. im just testing out ubuntu 5.04 now.
[01:33] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, :( didn't help.... thanks anyway
[01:34] <kris_> Im trying to create a link and its not working Im using the command ln -s jre/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[01:34] <rob^> black_Nightmare, 2TB
[01:34] <kris_> Is that right?
[01:34] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: are you sure? does 'locales -a' list nl_NL.UTF-8?
[01:34] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare, there is a size limit to ext2, there's is to all file systems
[01:34] <Seveas> kris_, you should not install java manually
[01:34] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: locale -a i mean
[01:34] <Seveas> kris_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[01:34] <kris_> :o
[01:34] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, locales, command not found :s
[01:35] <rob^> !java
[01:35] <ubotu> methinks java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[01:35] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, yep it gets listed
[01:35] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[01:35] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, it lists utf in lowercase instead of uppercase
[01:35] <JanC> jino, why don't you read the documentation?
[01:35] <JanC> there is a link to "CGI: Dynamic Content" on the front page...
[01:35] <black_Nightmare> rob.. hm so ext2 could go from a 1gb hd to new 250gb ones?
[01:36] <Seveas> pmjdebruijn, that's ok
[01:36] <JanC> and the documentation is accessible on your PC
[01:36] <rob^> black_Nightmare, thats 2TB per file, so yes it could.
[01:36] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: i don't know why gdm is complaining then, sorry
[01:36] <jino> okie
[01:36] <pmjdebruijn> Seveas, lcdd, anyway i tried nl_NL too, doesn't work either
[01:36] <JanC> http://localhost/manual/
[01:36] <rob^> but you will be much better off with ext3 on that 250gb hd
[01:36] <pmjdebruijn> brb
[01:37] <kris_> Does that website have the 64bit one?
[01:38] <jino> JanC , i cant access it..it says it is not available
[01:39] <JanC> it should be if you have apache2 installed ?
[01:40] <jino> okie
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> hmm makes me thinking... 98se on a hd... and storing to an ext2 slave hd (100gb or bigger) :p .. hehehe
[01:40] <JanC> maybe try starting apache with "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start"
[01:40] <jino> it is installed..
[01:40] <jino> in /var/www
[01:40] <JanC> ?
[01:40] <yogix> hello all - I and a few others have a cd/dvd-rom recognition problem in ubuntu? can someone help... (see this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=2)
[01:40] <rob^> black_Nightmare, yeah, well its possible I suppose
[01:41] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, crap I needed to restart GDM, stupid me
[01:41] <JanC> you must install apache2 with synaptic or apt-get or aptitude
[01:41] <jino> ya
[01:41] <jino> the server has started
[01:42] <jino> now what should i do?
[01:43] <Taya> Hi, I need help setting up ubuntu mirror...
[01:43] <yogix> Need some help... Anyone? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=2) :-(
[01:44] <Seveas> yogix: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:44] <jino> JanC , server didnt start..
[01:44] <jino> it says 80 port is in use
[01:44] <yogix> seveas: oops... ok - my bad... apologies
[01:44] <JanC> you're already running another server ?
[01:44] <toinou> hello I would like to launch a sript when my cvs is updated ? Is it possible ?
[01:44] <jino> no
[01:44] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:44] <JanC> yes
[01:44] <jino> how do i check n remove it?
[01:45] <toinou> jino, it's not possible ?
[01:46] <jino> so?
[01:46] <rob^> yogix, it looks like someone has figured out a solution to your problem on the forum already
[01:47] <jino>  * Starting web server (Apache2)...
[01:47] <jino> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[01:47] <jino> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[01:47] <jino>  *able to open logs                                                      [fail]
[01:47] <rob^> bah
[01:47] <JanC> jino: "sudo netstat -l -p | grep www"
[01:47] <jino> JanC , this is da error am getting
[01:47] <yogix> rob^ - actually no, the last post is mine... will explain if anyone willing to listen.
[01:47] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:48] <rob^> yogix, shoot
[01:48] <jino> tcp        0      0 *:www                   *:*                     LISTEN     6 535/apache
[01:48] <yogix> rob^ : my dvd-rom drive on ide1 gets recognised only if i put "ide1=nodma" on the grub command line
[01:49] <yogix> rob^ : but this does not work if the command is put in menu.lst
[01:49] <jino> JanC , this is da message
[01:49] <rob^> yogix, so you have to do it manually
[01:49] <yogix> rob^ : yes - i have to press 'e'dit on boot-up and change the line and then 'b'oot
[01:49] <JanC> jino : you're already running apache 1.3 ?
[01:49] <yogix> rob^ :  I can't understand that behaviour!?
[01:51] <Whistler> can anybody recommend any php editor?
[01:51] <rob^> yogix, you could try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom   replacing on with off and -d1 with -d0
[01:51] <riffic> vim
[01:52] <jino> JanC , how do i check..
[01:52] <JanC> you already did
[01:52] <kev0r> oh
[01:52] <jino> okie
[01:52] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:53] <Whistler> i have it already installed how can i run it?
[01:53] <kev0r> how do i tar a bunch of files?
[01:53] <kev0r> a whole directory for instance
[01:53] <jino> JanC , so wat shall i do now.?
[01:53] <yogix> rob^, if I don't do that "ide1=nodma" thing on boot-up then the device isn't created at all - no /dev/hdc :-(
[01:53] <JanC> you only need apache _or_ apache2, apache2 is the official supported version in Ubuntu
[01:54] <JanC> so, uninstall one of them  :)
[01:54] <riffic> Whistler: go to a terminal window
[01:54] <rob^> kev0r, the easy way is to do it via nautilus, just right click on the folder and choose "create archive"
[01:54] <riffic> and type "sudo init 0"
[01:54] <yogix> rob^ - i've downloaded fedora core 4, maybe I should check if I have the same problem there... (but I would hate to kill my ubuntu setup)
[01:55] <jino> JanC , okie
[01:55] <jino> JanC , i have un installed every thing..
[01:56] <riffic> o.O
[01:56] <rob^> yogix, try http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=printpage;threadid=5340    near the end
[01:56] <quitte> can someone please give me an example xorg config?
[01:56] <rob^> you will have to alter the grub entry on that page to suit ubuntu though
[01:57] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:57] <rob^> Elektron, stop repeating yourself
[01:58] <Elektron> ei rob, do u know to do it?
[01:58] <rob^> norm_, try a dosemu forum/chan
[01:58] <Elektron> ok 10ks
[01:59] <yogix> rob^, have tried that -- that's the strangest part.  It works when I edit it on boot-up but not if I put it in menu.lst... I am totally baffled by that!
[02:00] <jwark> thank you guys... even by just reading on what you write in here helps... more power to Ubuntu!!!
[02:00] <quitte> anyone please dcc me his xorg config.
[02:00] <rob^> hmm
[02:02] <quitte> rob^: can i have yours?
[02:02] <rob^> quitte, what did you do to yours?
[02:03] <quitte> rob^: it never got created. in short: im building xorg on sh3 and the package installer doesnt fully work.
[02:03] <rob^> sh3?
[02:03] <quitte> super hitachi
[02:05] <quitte> rob^: dreamcast has sh4. hp jornada 6xx use sh3.
[02:05] <rob^> quitte, theres one at http://www.willmer.com/examples/xorg.conf
[02:05] <rob^> you'll need to modify it though
[02:06] <_dw> Hi guys. On trying to do dpkg-reconfigure of  x, I'm getting debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[02:06] <_dw> What could I do?
[02:06] <quitte> rob^: ok thanks.
[02:06] <snowseal> hey all. i want to recompile my kernel, do i need to add a " ubuntu patch"  before i compile it?
[02:06] <rob^> _dw, kill the process that using it?
[02:07] <rob^> snowseal, no, just download the source from the ubuntu mirrors and use that
[02:07] <_dw> rob^: how could I find out what's using it?
[02:07] <quitte> lsof
[02:08] <snowseal> oh, from the ubuntu lirror u say. hmm, ok
[02:08] <thoreauputic> _dw: close synaptic and anything using apt or dpkg
[02:08] <P3L|C4N0> aptitude
[02:08] <ubuntu_> howdy
[02:09] <_dw> thoreauputic: I'm pretty sure none of that stuff is running; I get it even when logging into a failsafe terminal
[02:10] <rob^> snowseal, do "uname -a" to get your current running kernel and find the source package that matches it
[02:10] <manish> hi people
[02:11] <manish> anyone using windowmaker on ubuntu?
[02:11] <aurax_> hello
[02:11] <goldfish_> hi
[02:11] <aurax_> :)
[02:11] <manish> windowmaker ne one here?
[02:11] <aurax_> is there a known solution to replace MS Exchange ?
[02:11] <aurax_> linux based of cours
[02:11] <manish> hi  goldfish
[02:11] <snowseal> rob^, ty.
[02:11] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[02:12] <rob^> hi
[02:12] <aurax_> ubuntiers, like that :)
[02:12] <rob^> yeah
[02:12] <aurax_> anyone here know a proper replacement for MS Exchange ?
[02:12] <pc_> hi, can anyone recommend a good usenet newsreader? i dont get evolution, dont like thunderbird, and pan gets killed for eating all my memory
[02:12] <Vjaz> we are the ubunteros
[02:12] <aurax_> that still works with MAPI
[02:12] <aurax_> and ms outlook clients.
[02:12] <aurax_> etc
[02:12] <rob^> aurax_, any of the MTAs available
[02:12] <aurax_> yes but who
[02:12] <aurax_> you know there are tons of combinations
[02:12] <aurax_> i'm looking for a good suite .
[02:13] <Shufla> postfix as base
[02:13] <rob^> pick one :)
[02:13] <Shufla> :D
[02:13] <Shufla> well. i'd like to see proper set up of unix/linux tools to make nice and clean internal/external mail system ;)
[02:13] <aurax_> i would like to pick one
[02:13] <Shufla> clients-oriented :D
[02:13] <aurax_> thats for sure ..
[02:13] <aurax_> :)
[02:14] <rob^> if you have $$$ you could use @Mail
[02:14] <aurax_> no
[02:14] <Shufla> aurax_: what are your needs?
[02:14] <Shufla> @Mail?
[02:14] <aurax_> Shufla, i need a replacement for MS Exchange
[02:14] <aurax_> that can sync ms outlook clients,
[02:14] <aurax_> IMAP etc..
[02:14] <aurax_> just to kick out ms exchange and use linux gateway/vpn etc. ..
[02:14] <rob^> www.atmail.com
[02:14] <aurax_> no
[02:14] <aurax_> i dont want webmail
[02:15] <Shufla> hm. for smtp[s]  i'd use postfix with maildirs
[02:15] <rob^> thats just one of the features
[02:15] <aurax_> err
[02:15] <Shufla> for imaps - courier
[02:15] <aurax_> u dont understand
[02:15] <aurax_> ms exchange
[02:15] <aurax_> is all-in-one solution
[02:15] <Shufla> i do not, sorry
[02:15] <rob^> umm.. I do
[02:15] <aurax_> with dhcp lalala, dns ... etc..
[02:15] <aurax_> and with LDAP support
[02:15] <Shufla> hm...
[02:15] <aurax_> and all that crap
[02:15] <aurax_> now
[02:15] <rob^> mono
[02:15] <aurax_> there are few solutions, like ogo
[02:15] <aurax_> kolab
[02:15] <aurax_> etc
[02:15] <aurax_> some are not free.
[02:15] <aurax_> 600-800 euros
[02:15] <rob^> is free
[02:15] <aurax_> for 5 users
[02:16] <aurax_> mono is not for groupware.
[02:16] <aurax_> etc.
[02:16] <Shufla> 600EUR is not so much...
[02:16] <aurax_> ha
[02:16] <aurax_> so why are we opensourcing ?
[02:16] <Shufla> well
[02:16] <aurax_> :)
[02:16] <rob^> you mean like Active Directory?
[02:16] <Shufla> as i see opensource projects provide you little legos which you can make big towers
[02:16] <aurax_> indeed.
[02:17] <aurax_> rob^ i mean like ms exchange, with contacts sharing
[02:17] <aurax_> and all that stuff
[02:17] <aurax_> even evolution is capable to connect to such server
[02:17] <rob^> aurax_, then you mean AD
[02:17] <Shufla> but if you want to have big tower for free...I think is too much to do
[02:17] <rob^> its what exchanges uses
[02:17] <aurax_> and i belive since MS using standart protocols there are replacemnts in the OS community
[02:17] <aurax_> what's ad rob?
[02:18] <_dw> a package has unmet dependencies and is mucking apt up. What can I do to just cancel it?
[02:18] <Shufla> active directory
[02:18] <rob^> Active Directory = LDAP, DNS etc
[02:18] <aurax_> yeah
[02:19] <Shufla> AD == marketiod(array(LDAP,DHCP,DNS,Kerberos,SSL,SMTP,...))
[02:19] <aurax_> "A replacement server that completely emulates MS-Exchange functionality in real time for MS-Outlook clients.  My friend's running it, and xscreensaver's locked the screen -- and he cant get out without password
[02:20] <Shufla> KillerSmurf: chmod ... dir
[02:20] <KillerSmurf> is it chown?
[02:20] <rob^> aurax_, http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&biw=1245&q=Active+Directory+and+linux&btnG=Search&meta=
[02:21] <rob^> start reading
[02:21] <yccheok> my vsftpd start whenever i start my linux, how can i disable it?
[02:21] <Shufla> tfu
[02:21] <Shufla> chown
[02:21] <KillerSmurf> k thanks
[02:21] <Shufla> yccheok: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/vsftpd
[02:22] <rob^> aurax_, Novel eDirectory is sought of like AD also
[02:22] <Shufla> yccheok: you could use update-rc.d -f vsftpd remove, but after vsftpd upgrade debian scripts will activate it :(
[02:22] <aurax_> how's opengroupware.org ?
[02:22] <aurax_> worth the pain ?
[02:22] <Shufla> it's not bug, it's feature they say :(
[02:22] <rob^> not if you have the cash
[02:23] <yccheok> Shufla: where does the command to start vsftpd actually reinside which script?
[02:23] <rob^> I did get a 100,000 user licence for eDirectory for nothing once though
[02:23] <Shufla> yccheok: /etc/init.d/vsftpd
[02:24] <rob^> legit too
[02:24] <aurax_> bah
[02:24] <yccheok> Shufla: do u mean that all the startup program inside directory /etc/init.d ??
[02:25] <rob^> see http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/pricing.html
[02:25] <rob^> $2 per user licence I think
[02:25] <aurax_> rob
[02:26] <rob^> $15 for the software itself, not too bat
[02:26] <rob^> -bad
[02:26] <aurax_> is it capable to work with ms outlook clients ?
[02:26] <aurax_> share calanders sync outlooks etc
[02:26] <rob^> most likely, you'll have to talk to novell themselfs and ask.
[02:26] <rob^> man I'm getting tired
[02:27] <rob^> bad english
[02:28] <aurax_> ok
[02:28] <aurax_> c'ya
[02:28] <youngcoder> how do i use KDE with Ubuntu?
[02:28] <Seveas> youngcoder, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <Shufla> yccheok: yes.
[02:28] <rob^> !kubuntu
[02:28] <ubotu> rob^: Are you smoking crack?
[02:28] <rob^> dang
[02:29] <youngcoder> lol
[02:29] <rob^> heh
[02:29] <rob^> yeah its installable via apt-get
[02:29] <youngcoder> rob^ thats was a good one
[02:29] <Shufla> it's not good to be it specialist for 250EUR/month, isn't it? ;P
[02:30] <Seveas> ehm, no :)
[02:30] <Seveas> not if you work 40h/week
[02:30] <rob^> thats crap, actually.
[02:30] <Seveas> kinda
[02:30] <Shufla> i do work 40h/w :(
[02:30] <Seveas> i get over 3 times as much for 8h/week
[02:30] <Seveas> s/8/16
[02:31] <Shufla> omfg :(
[02:31] <Shufla> i'd leave my pretty country...
[02:32] <KillerSmurf> i only get 29/44 but that's canadian
[02:32] <Shufla> Seveas: 4EUR/h?
[02:33] <rob^> night all
[02:33] <Shufla> night
[02:33] <KillerSmurf> thanks Shufla for the chmod usage
[02:33] <Shufla> KillerSmurf: n/p
[02:33] <HiddenWolf> Shufla, that's far below minimum wage here, even for a minor
[02:33] <snowseal> whats a good dvd copyer, like dvd-shrink for win.?
[02:33] <Shufla> maybe. i'm not minor.
[02:34] <Shufla> snowseal: k3b?
[02:34] <Shufla> but my country is poor and corrupted.
[02:34] <Shufla> and high taxed.
[02:34] <Cazabam> snowseal: if you mean to reencode to a smaller format, dvdrip is pretty good, but you need transcode :(
[02:36] <snowseal> okies. seems that dvdshrink is pretty unique, but it works in wine. i'll try that. and i'll try k3b too.
[02:37] <jmjones> anyone here have a laptop with an ati radeon x300 mobility?
[02:38] <Shufla> i can't afford it to provide support ;P
[02:38] <zyth> x300? oi.  I think I have a laptop with an 8meg ATI Rage...
[02:38] <_cloud> hi to all..
[02:39] <jmjones> i've got the low-end x300 - the one with 64MB RAM
[02:39] <_cloud> is there someone who knows how to solve a problema with RAID?
[02:39] <Cazabam> snowseal: if you can get transcode working it really is an excellent replacement for dvdshrink, but last I looked it wasn't inthe repos. shame
[02:39] <Shufla> _cloud: what's the problem?
[02:39] <Shufla> 21min2go ;)
[02:39] <_cloud> ehm..
[02:39] <_cloud> i have a 120gb mounted on RAID
[02:40] <_cloud> but ubuntu seems to not recognize this...in fact i cannot mount
[02:40] <_cloud> because the special device does'nt exist for that hd
[02:40] <Shufla> _cloud: paste /etc/fstab and /proc/raidtab to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:40] <Shufla> _cloud: and use exact device names.
[02:41] <_cloud> and then what i have to do???
[02:41] <Shufla> explain your problem here as exact as you can
[02:41] <Shufla> 19min2go:D
[02:43] <pc_> 1
[02:43] <jino> hi, how can i install http server?
[02:44] <Shufla> jino: sudo apt-get install apache2
[02:44] <jino> i installed tat..
[02:44] <_cloud> Shufla: i done that paste
[02:44] <_cloud> but i don't have a raidtab
[02:44] <_cloud> it is possible??
[02:44] <Shufla> jino: great. sudo lsof -ni4 | grep -i apache
[02:45] <jino> Shufla: but then i want cgi- bin folder..it never appears..
[02:45] <Shufla> _cloud: /proc/mdstat
[02:45] <Shufla> jino: huh?
[02:46] <jino> Shufla: sorry, i don have much idea about the stuff
[02:46] <jino> will u plz temme..
[02:46] <Shufla> jino: what do you want to do?
[02:46] <jino> cgi perl programming..
[02:46] <jino> with front end as html
[02:46] <_cloud> Shufla mdsta is empty
[02:47] <_cloud> i opened it with kate
[02:47] <guupsta> does anyone know if foobar2000 available in some repository?
[02:47] <Shufla> jino: libapache2-mod-perl2
[02:47] <Shufla> _cloud: cat /proc/mdstat
[02:47] <Shufla> 12min2go
[02:47] <_cloud> k
[02:47] <Seveas> Shufla, mod_perl != cgi
[02:47] <Shufla> Seveas: i know.
[02:48] <jino> where should i type it..?
[02:48] <Seveas> jino, you will have to create it yourself
[02:48] <Seveas> do as been told before: read the documentation
[02:48] <Seveas> instead of asking the same over and over again
[02:48] <_cloud> Personalities :
[02:48] <_cloud> unused devices: <none>
[02:48] <jino> Seveas, how?
[02:48] <_cloud> *_*
[02:49] <Seveas> jino, argh.....
[02:49] <Shufla> 11mins2go
[02:49] <Seveas> httpd.apache.org / www.perl.org
[02:49] <Shufla> i've got to go, by
[02:49] <Shufla> bye :)
[02:49] <jino> bye
[02:50] <Seveas> jino, please don't use weird characters
[02:50] <jino> okie
[02:51] <sulff> ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike -port 27015 +ip <IP_ADDRESS> +map de_dust +maxplayers 14 < where can i get the ip a need to replace instead of <IP_ADDRESS> plz ??
[02:53] <Dj_AlTeK> hey all
[02:53] <jino> Seveas, i have installed apache 2..now
[02:54] <Seveas> jino, good, now read the documnentation about how to setup cgi
[02:54] <_linuxAS_> re
[02:55] <jino> Seveas, thanx..i have read..but then it asks to edit some files..i dont know wat..
[02:55] <Dj_AlTeK> hey Seveas
[02:56] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, hi :)
[02:56] <zyth> morning Seveas
[02:56] <jino> Seveas,  ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/...where should i do this
[02:56] <Seveas> jino, by default cgi-bin on the server is redirected to /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[02:56] <Seveas> so create your cgi scripts there
[02:57] <Seveas> good afternoon zyth :)
[02:58] <jino> Seveas,  so where do i put my html file..
[02:58] <jino> wat is this script alias
[02:59] <Seveas> jino, you don't create html files with cgi
[02:59] <Seveas> you let the cgi program create html...
[02:59] <jino> ya rt..
[03:00] <Seveas> jino, please read the documentation about how cgi works...
[03:00] <Seveas> that is beyond the topic of this channel...
[03:00] <jino> but the..wat i wanna do is to take an input from an html file and run a perl cgi program..
[03:00] <jeanre> lo all
[03:00] <jeanre> does anyone know how to use themes for gnome
[03:00] <Seveas> jeanre, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[03:01] <jmjones> jeanre: what's you're question
[03:01] <jmjones> ?
[03:02] <jeanre> jmjones: I am downloading themes
[03:02] <jeanre> and doingt he way the faq says
[03:02] <jeanre> but uhm it aint working
[03:02] <jmjones> jeanre: haven't read the faq :-) - how are you installing them?
[03:03] <jeanre> jmjones: can I pm?
[03:03] <jmjones> jeanre: sure
[03:03] <_cloud> yo anyone knows why my ubuntu does'nt see my hard disk on RAID??
[03:05] <shawarma> _cloud: Which raid controller?
[03:07] <snowseal> my dvd runs at 1x, how to tweak that?
[03:08] <Seveas> snowseal, try enabling DMA on that drive
[03:09] <snowseal> Seveas with module argument options probably ?
[03:09] <Seveas> nope
[03:09] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdvddrive
[03:10] <snowseal> oh. ty.
[03:12] <xxtreme> seveas= i need mail help.....please
[03:12] <Seveas> mail help..?
[03:12] <xxtreme> seveas, im trying to configure sendmail with my gmail account
[03:13] <xxtreme> seveas i dont have a clue what i'm doing
[03:13] <Seveas> i see that :)
[03:13] <shawarma> xxenon: sendmail with gmail... What is that supposed to do?
[03:13] <snowseal> yess Seveas dvd is much faster now ;d
[03:13] <snowseal> :D
[03:13] <Seveas> what are you trying to accomplish xxtreme ?
[03:14] <zyth> Sendmail.. with gmail...?
[03:14] <xxtreme> seveas, i want to be able to fetch my mail from a pop3 account into my linux box
[03:14] <zyth> why not just use gmail's pop3/smtp
[03:15] <Seveas> ah, you mean fetchmail!
[03:15] <xxtreme> seveas i hate kmail and any gui, so im trying this
[03:15] <Seveas> google uses pop3s so you must let fetchmail use pop3s too (if it can do that)
[03:15] <_cloud> shawarma i have a gigabyte
[03:15] <_cloud> dunno what controller is
[03:15] <zyth> gmail also uses some weird ports
[03:15] <zyth> nonstandard.
[03:16] <xxtreme> seveas= zyth any suggestions
[03:16] <Seveas> zyth, no, they use the standard pop3s port...
[03:17] <A[D] minS> Guys how i can add online mirorrs to install from it?
[03:17] <xxtreme> seveas, i have fetchmail installed, just don't know how to set it up correctly
[03:17] <Seveas> xxtreme, neither do I :)
[03:17] <Seveas> I never used it
[03:17] <Seveas> but look for an ssl/pop3s flag
[03:18] <xxtreme> seveas=thanks, someone told me about pine also
[03:18] <_cloud> i have a 120gb on a RAID...but i don't know how to mount that! i don't know the associated special device
[03:18] <Seveas> md0 probably
[03:18] <xxtreme> any fetchmail geeks here
[03:19] <zyth> Seveas, I recall having to set some weird ports for my gmail.
[03:19] <zyth> maybe I'm on crack.
[03:20] <Seveas> xxtreme: poll MYSERVER port 993 plugin "openssl s_client -connect %h:%p"
[03:20] <Seveas>         protocol imap username MYUSERNAME password MYPASSWORD
[03:21] <Seveas> zyth, they use 993, which is the default port for pop3s
[03:21] <zyth> Oh
[03:21] <zyth> Ok.
[03:21] <zyth> That I wasn't aware of
[03:21] <Seveas> hmm
[03:21] <zyth> I just knew it wasn't 110
[03:21] <xxtreme> seveas thanks, you Rock!!!!!!!
[03:21] <Seveas> wait 993 is imaps
[03:21] <Seveas> xxtreme, you'll have to change that line :)
[03:21] <raiden24> pop3s is like 150 or something
[03:22] <Seveas> protocol pop3 instead of protocol imap
[03:22] <Seveas> port 995 instead of 993
[03:22] <raiden24> ya
[03:22] <Seveas> raiden24, it's 995 :)
[03:22] <raiden24> my mistake :)
[03:25] <berkes> OMG, fscking stupid java. with thei stupid licence issues, and complete/uttlery insane system of J2RE J2SE J2SDK why should I even care? </rant >
[03:26] <Seveas> :D
[03:26] <berkes> < /rant>
[03:27] <Juhaz> if that's insane, what wouldn't be? you'd rather not have runtime environment and force everyone who just wants to run an applet to install the sdk?
[03:27] <berkes> i want apt-get install java
[03:27] <lcdd> is there a java package for amd64?
[03:27] <Seveas> berkes, that's possible
[03:27] <Seveas> from backports :)
[03:28] <Seveas> lcdd, iirc not, but if there's a java installer for amd64 you can easily make one
[03:28] <Seveas> lcdd: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[03:28] <berkes> Seveas: yea, not really though. and if wso, the distrubotor of that repository is violating the lisun licence
[03:28] <berkes> Seveas: I know al that?
[03:28] <berkes> thats what I am ranting about
[03:28] <lcdd> Seveas: thanks, that'll do it
[03:29] <Seveas> berkes, yes, the person who is making this .deb file available IS violating the sun license
[03:29] <Seveas> if you per se do not want that, do the make-jpkg dance
[03:29] <berkes> Seveas: fsking sun people, with their stupid licence.
[03:29] <Seveas> yeah...
[03:30] <noodle> is anyone handy at setting up tomcat?
[03:30] <berkes> Seveas: i dont care. if it were up to me the licence ppl at sun would get all sorts of nasty viruses :)
[03:31] <Seveas> well, I consider java to be a nasty virus :)
[03:31] <McStabb> hello?
[03:32] <berkes> Seveas: hehe.
[03:32] <shawarma> McStabb: Hi
[03:32] <Seveas> hello McStabb
[03:32] <berkes> its just that i need to pay my bills and my bank uses java for the online banking, otherwise i swould stay far from all java crap
[03:33] <Seveas> Likewise here, and my research projects use it :(
[03:33] <jze_> Does any1 know where could I find drivers for Voodoo 3 gfx card?
[03:33] <zyth> um
[03:33] <A[D] minS> apt-get  install tcl
[03:33] <A[D] minS> Reading package lists... Done
[03:33] <A[D] minS> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:33] <A[D] minS> Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:33] <A[D] minS> ?
[03:34] <A[D] minS> checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[03:34] <Chet> Is there like a minimalistic video player that can play in the framebuffer? It's for DSLinux
[03:34] <zyth> I think DRI works for the voodoo3 for OpenGL...
[03:34] <jeanre> whats a nice gui to rip dvds
[03:34] <jze_> zyth: So how do I get it?
[03:35] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> jeanre: dvd:rip
[03:35] <zyth> jze_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Voodoo3doesnotdo3d
[03:35] <Seveas> A[D] minS, try tcl8.4
[03:35] <zyth> but you can only do 3D at 16bpp, 1024x768 or less
[03:36] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Seveas: berkes are there no other ways around java (like callin the bank and telling them java won't run on your machine?)
[03:36] <Seveas> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, hehehe not really
[03:36] <Seveas> but my bank got bashd by all inds of security gurus about their weak system
[03:36] <Seveas> (It actually is pretty nice, it's just that is uses login+pw only)
[03:36] <nalioth> cuz i agree, java does suck
[03:37] <HiddenWolf> seveas, postbank sucks, doesn't it. :P
[03:37] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, i like it :)
[03:37] <Seveas> I like tan per sms
[03:37] <zyth> I thought of learning to program java, but it looked evil, so I avoided it.
[03:37] <Seveas> always last the tan sheets :)
[03:37] <Seveas> losy*
[03:37] <berkes> nalioth: yea, but that would mean i have to do my transactions @ the bank, whickh means talkin, to real people
[03:37] <Seveas> lost*
[03:37] <berkes> :)
[03:37] <Seveas> lol berkes
[03:37] <HiddenWolf> seveas, I hate it that they took away the old history of my account. Now for everything older than one month, I have to resort to hardcopy. :S
[03:37] <nalioth> berkes: they don't have alternative online methods?
[03:38] <berkes> nalioth: nope
[03:38] <Chet> Someone tell me the name of movie players that can play in the Framebuffer but aren't xine/mplayer/vlc
[03:38] <mindspin> berkes the real people in our bank ar set free for being replaced by machines
[03:38] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, ouch :|
[03:38] <lcdd> coming from a place where all banks use one-time passwords, a simple login+pw sounds amazing :)
[03:38] <berkes> Chet: kaffeine, but that uses xine, afaik
[03:38] <shawarma> Chet: ffplay
[03:39] <Seveas> lcdd, OTP's are only used for committing transactions
[03:39] <Seveas> lcdd, you hit commit, they send you an sms with an OTP and in the next page you fill it in and hit 'Really Commit'
[03:39] <lcdd> Seveas: that's good at least
[03:39] <Chet> thanks shawarma
[03:39] <shawarma> Chet: np. It's in the ffmpeg package, which I thing is in multiverse
[03:40] <zyth> Huh, you can play video on ipodlinux
[03:40] <zyth> how weird.
[03:42] <MidnightDevil> heya
[03:42] <Seveas> ayeh!
[03:42] <MidnightDevil> im trying to install webmin with all the modules but im getting some broken packages erros like this: webmin-exim: Depends: exim4 but it is not going to be installed or
[03:43] <MidnightDevil> anyway to ignore these?
[03:43] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, ubuntu uses postfix instead of webmin
[03:43] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, ubuntu uses postfix instead of exim*
[03:43] <MidnightDevil> thats just an example
[03:43] <Seveas> well, there will be more like that :)
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> returns errors with postix, exim, postgresql, sendmail, showerwall and we-ftpd
[03:44] <Mwnci> ok i have installed xfce4 and it runs much more stable. how ever i have a couple of config questions. How do you add items to the popup menu since its taken synaptic and abiword out of the menu that it had in kde
[03:44] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, why would you install all these modules?
[03:44] <Seveas> do you run postgres/sendmail/shorewall/etc..?
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> since i dont need any of those, can i ignore it ? or do something like apt-get install webmin* | exclude_those_packages_aboce ?
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> lol
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> Seveas: i dont use shorewall, or postgres, or sendmail
[03:45] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, just install what you need...
[03:45] <MidnightDevil> o just want to install all the modules except the ones i dont need, which are the ones that return a error
[03:45] <MidnightDevil> Seveas:  can i add a command to exclude ?
[03:45] <jeroen__> exit
[03:45] <Octane-> is there a way to find out the version of a program (installed via package) that you have from the command line?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: try running xfce4-menueditor  (but you may have to add them to the main menu bar rather than to subsections)
[03:46] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, try using aptitude ;)
[03:46] <Mwnci> ill give it a go thanks
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Octane: apt-cache policy <packagename> should tell you
[03:47] <MidnightDevil> ok :)
[03:47] <Octane-> thoreauputic: thanks so much
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Octane: no worries :)
[03:48] <reka> can anyone recommend a dvd ripper besides the one recommended in ubguide (dvdrip), or is that the "best" one out there?
[03:49] <nalioth> reka: whats the matter with dvd::rip?
[03:49] <nalioth> reka: it is ::ripalicious
[03:50] <emilio> alguien que pueda ayudarme con ubuntu  1 min
[03:50] <reka> nalioth: ah ok, i haven't tried it yet :-P thought i might ask considering ubguide's reputation
[03:50] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, thats the thing i was looking for. any idea how to get synapic going?  only when i su -   does it regonise the command and as root it cant run the gui
[03:50] <shawarma> emilio: Que es la problema?
[03:50] <swoop> anybody know why my epsxe cant get sound working ?
[03:50] <Seveas> emilio, we speak english on here...
[03:50] <swoop> if i disable the spu plugin it boots to bios
[03:50] <Seveas> #ubuntu-es por espaol :)
[03:50] <swoop> but with the plugin it freezes
[03:50] <swoop> Tungsten Graphics, Inc
[03:50] <swoop> Mesa DRI Intel(R) 852GM/855GM 20041217 x86/MMX/SSE2
[03:50] <swoop>  * Open gpu[0]
[03:50] <swoop>  * Init spu[0] [libspuPeopsOSS.so.1.0.8]
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: enter the command as ` gksudo synaptic `
[03:50] <swoop> then nothing :(
[03:51] <swoop> everything else works.. zsnes, tuxracer ect all with sound and all
[03:51] <nalioth> reka: ubuntu GUIDE suX0rs, but that doesnt meand the proggys listed there do
[03:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> swoop do you have the config files for sound in epsxe ?
[03:52] <MidnightDevil> if i have apache already do i need to install webmin apache module? or this will be something like monitor?
[03:52] <swoop> in the cfg folder
[03:52] <lennart> I have made a query from a database. Is it possible to get the column names with the Java API?
[03:52] <swoop> 2 secs lemme copy to the epsx main dir also see if that works
[03:53] <Seveas> lennart, that's very very off topic in here
[03:53] <Seveas> try a java channel
[03:53] <Seveas> or one associated with your database
[03:53] <lennart> SeamusLP, ops .. sorry wrong channel
[03:53] <jze_> rrf
[03:53] <swoop> Pop_pa_FrEaK, : still nothing
[03:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmmm not sure then
[03:54] <swoop> dunno why really
[03:54] <Mwnci> thoreauputic,  thanks
[03:54] <swoop> tried like all the spu plugins i can find
[03:54] <chillywilly> hey, my mouse starts sending button events when I move it after switching to my Ubuntu desktop. I also get this message: Jun 23 08:48:39 dan kernel: psmouse.c: Explorer Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away. What can I do about this? In order to fix it I must always unplug my mouse from the KVM then plug it back in
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: :)
[03:54] <swoop> and when everything else works it reall should be working :(
[03:55] <Seveas> chillywilly, try without the KVM
[03:55] <mlynch> hi all
[03:55] <reka> hello michael
[03:56] <mlynch> Newbie here.  Can someone help with preseed?
[03:58] <mlynch> I attempting to set up unattended installation via PXE network boot/install.  Apt-configuration
[03:58] <mlynch> is failing
[03:58] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, another hopefully as simple question. how do you set xdm to log in automatically without putting in a user or password
[03:58] <swoop> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direct
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: that i don't know, sorry
[03:58] <swoop> i get this error if i use the internal sound plugin
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: gdm can do it though
[03:58] <swoop> anbody help me on that one ?
[03:59] <Mwnci> kde has a tool to configure kdm to do it. i was hoping xdm might
[03:59] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: xdm is ugly as sin anyway - why not use gdm instead?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> the overhead is a bit higher I guess...
[04:00] <thoreauputic> oh, he left... OK
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: wb :)
[04:00] <nalioth> thoreauputic: there ya go
[04:01] <pixman> Anyone knows if there is any ongoing development of more GUI-tools in Ubuntu? And why the **** they removed openoffice-base from the repo? O_o
[04:01] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, thanks
[04:01] <fnoy> hi
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: you missed my pronouncement on the ugliness of xdm ;)
[04:01] <zooko> Greetings, people of Ubuntu!  Does the linux-source-2.6.11 package contain all of the 2.6.11.x patches?
[04:01] <fnoy> can some one tell me how the ubuntu prtage works
 Mwnci: xdm is ugly as sin anyway - why not use gdm instead?
 the overhead is a bit higher I guess...
[04:01] <Seveas> zooko, yes
[04:01] <zooko> Seveas: thanks!
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Seveas: stop repeating! *grin*
[04:01] <Seveas> zooko, but be warned 2.6.11 is unsupported and known to contain bugs
[04:02] <zooko> I hereby choose linux-source-2.6.11 over linux-source-2.6.12.
[04:02] <chillywilly> bah, upgraded kernel to 2.6.11 and was getting hard freeze during Gnome startup
[04:02] <zooko> Whoops, I hereby unchoose it.  What bugs?
[04:02] <nalioth> fnoy: portage?
[04:02] <fnoy> yes
[04:02] <nalioth> fnoy: we use apt-get here
[04:02] <Seveas> fnoy, ubuntu has no portage...
[04:02] <Seveas> ubuntu has apt
[04:02] <zooko> 2.6.10 failed to compile with current breezy gcc, so I figured it is time to upgrade kernel-source...
[04:02] <Seveas> a far superior system :)
[04:02] <nalioth> fnoy: if you want to build from source, apt-get will do that, too
[04:02] <mlynch> Any preseeding experts out there?
[04:02] <Seveas> zooko, current breezy gcc is 4
[04:02] <fnoy> ok
[04:02] <fnoy> thx
[04:02] <Seveas> and cannot compile *any* kernel
[04:03] <swoop> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direct
[04:03] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> is most of breezy going to be built with gcc4?
[04:03] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, yes
[04:03] <Seveas> but afaik not the kernel
[04:03] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> yeah, i heard it has issues with the kernel
[04:04] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> IMHO, they should try to use OOo & eclipse with GCJ
[04:04] <zooko> Argh.  Reiser4 vs. kernel devs politics again!  Nooooo.  I wanted reiser4 in breezy.
[04:04] <zooko> http://lwn.net/Articles/140002/
[04:04] <Seveas> Seveas, they do
[04:04] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> and create native binaries of eclipse like the FC4 guys
[04:04] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, they do
[04:05] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, Seveas  i want it to auto login anyway so its looks mean nothing but xdm is a lot quicker than kdm  dunno about the speed of gdm
[04:05] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> good & lol
[04:05] <zooko> Ah, but 2.6.12 *is* supported.  At least, it is in main.
[04:05] <nalioth> Seveas: no, you should not ANSWER yourself
[04:05] <Pihl> Hi! Im completely new to linux and is just about to install Ubuntu. I have on question though: If needed, how do I uninstall ubuntu and reinstall Windows?? (this is just for reassurance)
[04:05] <Seveas> Mwnci, gdm is quite fast & flexible
[04:05] <GNULinuxer> zooko> it says subscription required
[04:05] <nalioth> Pihl: ubuntu and windows can peacefully coesist
[04:05] <nalioth> coexist
[04:05] <lcdd> Mwnci: xdm can't do that. perhaps you should try gdm instead
[04:06] <Pihl> nalioth, I just need one of them
[04:06] <shawarma> zooko: What's so great about Reiser4 anyway?
[04:06] <reka> Pihl: boot from your windows cd and delete the linux paritions on install
[04:06] <nalioth> Pihl: then a simple reinstall of windows will do the trick
[04:06] <Mwnci> Pihl, i have both unbuntu and windows happily on this laptop.  still use windows for some programs
[04:06] <j23tom> Is there any good gui tool to mount partitions on freshly added hard disk ?
[04:06] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> it's the fastest FS
[04:06] <jaardsi> Any idea where I could obtain the Ubuntu server banners featured here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//ServerBanners ?
[04:06] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: In terms of... ?
[04:06] <bob2> it's fastest for SOME things
[04:06] <bob2> it's also very new
[04:06] <bob2> and reiser has a history of issues
[04:06] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> in terms of file access & creation
[04:07] <Seveas> jaardsi, they have to fix up the wiki again :)
[04:07] <Pihl> Great, that was what I hoped for. I just read different approaches and was in doubt :)
[04:07] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, and in terms of unrecoverable crashing :)
[04:07] <jaardsi> Seveas, yeah... Just wondering if anybody would have them backed up or something.
[04:07] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> it's different since all file systems just store file names in balanced trees ... ReiserFS stores files themselves in balanced trees
[04:07] <j23tom> Is there any good gui tool to mount partitions on freshly added hard disk ?
[04:07] <bob2> j23tom: no
[04:08] <j23tom> :(
[04:08] <Seveas> jaardsi, http://shawn.cybermagellan.com
[04:08] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> i am using ReiserFS (not 4) for quite a long time ... nothing like that happened
[04:08] <bob2> j23tom: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:08] <jaardsi> Ta!
[04:08] <Seveas> j23tom, fat32/ntfs partitions?
[04:08] <Pihl> Thx for the answer! I guess Ill be hanging around here for a long time from now on ;)
[04:09] <j23tom> fat32
[04:09] <Seveas> j23tom: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[04:09] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: a sample size of one is not a statistically useful benchmark ;)
[04:09] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: http://bhhdoa.org.au/pipermail/ck/2004-December/001804.html
[04:09] <j23tom> hmm thx :)
[04:09] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: Not exactly unambiguous.
[04:10] <nalioth> Seveas: you continue to amaze me
[04:10] <zooko> GNULinuxer: lwn.net releases their articles gratis after 7 days.  However, I do encourage people to subscribe.  The price is very cheap, they are a small, community-oriented publication with high-quality content.
[04:10] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: "I did the above procedure (3) three times for each filesystem. Below are my results. reiser4 consistently untars the kernel 4 seconds quicker. However, xfs consistently compiles the kernel 40 seconds faster."
[04:10] <Seveas> nalioth, hmm?
[04:11] <madsen> Anyone packaged LinCity-NG for Ubuntu?
[04:11] <reka> thoreauputic: you reminded me of this: "people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that." </Homer> =)
[04:12] <bob2> madsen: it's annoying to build
[04:12] <nalioth> Seveas: how do you find all this stuff?
[04:12] <bob2> madsen: I did package it on the weekend
[04:12] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> the talk is about ext3 vs reiserfs 4
[04:12] <bob2> I should upload it somewhere
[04:12] <Seveas> nalioth, i MADE that script :)
[04:12] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> ext3 will be much slower
[04:12] <madsen> bob2: Cool!
[04:12] <zooko> Reiser 4 is the most interesting platform for fs research which is also fast enough and almost stable enough to be widely deployed.
[04:12] <Seveas> because i couldn't find one :)
[04:12] <thoreauputic> reka: right, and 86.34 % of statisitics are wrong ;)
[04:12] <nalioth> Seveas: well, i guess thats the best way to find something
[04:12] <madsen> bob2: I can't get their autopackage working...
[04:12] <thoreauputic> *statistics
[04:12] <bob2> madsen: I wouldn't bother with that
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: just compile the tarball
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: I'll get you the list of needed packages, one sec
[04:13] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: I never mentioned ext3. zooko was sorry that reiser4 maybe wasn't going to be in the kernel, and I just don't get why people feel that way, when we have xfs.
[04:13] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: And yes, ext3 will be much slower. That's true.
[04:13] <bob2> XFS tends to replace files with NULLs when it crashes, tho
[04:13] <madsen> bob2: Hmm... I'd rather wait for someone to package it... I'm trying to keep my system .deb only. The autopackage thingy was bad enough.
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: hah
[04:13] <madsen> bob2: But thanks. :)
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: np
[04:13] <madsen> bob2: ?
[04:14] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> if you want benchmarks, read this http://namesys.com/benchmarks.html
[04:14] <thoreauputic> madsen: use checkinstall and it will make a deb for you
[04:14] <madsen> thoreauputic: Really?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> madsen: yup. ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[04:15] <thoreauputic> just install checkinstall
[04:15] <madsen> thoreauputic: Gotta check that out. Sounds good! :)
[04:15] <thoreauputic> madsen: it isn't a fully debianised deb, but for local use it will be fine
[04:16] <nalioth> madsen: checkinstall is great when compiling your own soft, it keeps your system in order (re pkg management)
[04:16] <madsen> thoreauputic: Hehe, I was just about to ask about that.
[04:16] <mdasilva> is there a system log checker package available for ubuntu?
[04:16] <madsen> nalioth: Yeah, it seems so. :)
[04:17] <bob2> mdasilva: about 7 000 of them
[04:17] <bob2> mdasilva: logcheck is nice
[04:17] <mdasilva> im using that one
[04:17] <madsen> bob2: That list of required packages for compiling LinCity-NG would be very welcome then. :)
[04:17] <Rick2> If I want my system to dual boot with ubuntu and xp do I need to get a 2nd hdd or can I run them off the same one?
[04:17] <mdasilva> but it isnt in the repository is it?
[04:17] <nalioth> Rick2: the same one is fine
[04:17] <bob2> mdasilva: of course it is
[04:17] <madsen> Rick2: You can easilly run them on the same, you just need to partition it.
[04:18] <mdasilva> :\
[04:18] <Rick2> ok thank you
[04:18] <nalioth> Rick2: you just have to make room for linux
[04:18] <swoop> hmm just did a search and i couldnt find this file
[04:18] <swoop> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[04:18] <Rick2> I've never used linux before so I wasn't sure how to do this
[04:18] <swoop> that would of course explain why epsxe quits with a message saying it cant be found
[04:18] <mdasilva> apt-cache search logcheck   returns nothing
[04:18] <bob2> mdasilva: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto, it's in universe
[04:18] <swoop> anybody know how to get this file installed ?
[04:18] <mdasilva> what utility can i run to reselect which repositories i use?
[04:19] <madsen> Hmm, I guess I could install LinCity-NG from an RPM with alien.
[04:19] <mdasilva> thanks bob
[04:19] <Seveas> swoop, it's part of glibc, and it is installed by default...
[04:19] <bob2> Seveas: no
[04:19] <bob2> swoop: install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[04:19] <bob2> (it's in universe)
[04:19] <Seveas> hmm..?
[04:20] <Seveas> hmm....
[04:20] <bob2> it's an old old old thing
[04:20] <Seveas> ahh :0
[04:20] <bob2> that proprietary binary-only software builds against
[04:20] <Seveas> :|
[04:20] <bob2> because it was in like redhat 1.0 or something
[04:20] <Seveas> Redcrap galore once again...
[04:21] <swoop> Seveas, hmm wierd that it complains about it being missing then
[04:21] <Seveas> swoop, it's not installed by default, listen to bob2, he's smarter than me :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> Seveas: you're pretty high in the pecking order, though ;-)
[04:22] <swoop> Seveas, well i did hehe.. but even after the install nothing works hehe
[04:23] <swoop> at least it doesnt complain about missing files though
[04:23] <swoop> bob2, thanks .. got me a little further... but epsxe still doesnt have sound :(
[04:23] <seifu> hey... wondering if anyone knows to change the drive [cd]  that Ubuntu looks for when installing pkgs from the cdrom repository, i.e. my laptop has two drives, I installed ubuntu from the modular one, which isn't always in the machine, so I want to change the config, to let Ubuntu think/use the other drive as the standard when looking for pkgs from the install CD
[04:23] <bob2> I don't know what "epsxe" is
[04:24] <swoop> Playstation emulator bob2 ;)
[04:24] <swoop> should be working, and it does if i disable the sound plugins
[04:24] <thoreauputic> seifu: apt-cdrom add <your CD>
[04:24] <bob2> oh
[04:24] <nalioth> seifu: why not just remove the cd from consideration?
[04:24] <j23tom> when i tried to reinstall freenx it says: nxlibs: require: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) ale 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[04:24] <swoop> but no matter what sound plugin i use, i just get the app hanging when booting
[04:24] <thoreauputic> seifu: then coment the other one out of your list
[04:24] <j23tom> what can i do with tahat ?
[04:25] <seifu> thoreauputic: hmmm... k, will try that
[04:25] <seifu> nalioth: like to keep the cd there, just in case
[04:25] <bob2> j23tom: you need packages that work on ubuntu
[04:25] <bob2> j23tom: those do not
[04:25] <odie5533> How can I check how much memory/cpu cycles a process is using?
[04:25] <bob2> j23tom: or to build it from source yourself
[04:25] <mdasilva> is warty newer than hoary?
[04:25] <bob2> odie5533: top
[04:25] <bob2> mdasilva: no
[04:25] <mdasilva> hoary is new?
[04:26] <odie5533> bob2: thanks
[04:26] <j23tom> thx bob
[04:26] <bob2> odie5533: but "how much memory" is a more complex question than you think
[04:26] <odie5533> oh
[04:26] <chrissturm> swoop, did you try "killall esd" before starting it?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> mdasilva: warty came before hoary
[04:26] <reka> bob2: you wouldn't happen to know how to scroll top's output would you?
[04:26] <swoop> esd ? what is that im killing chrissturm ?
[04:26] <bob2> reka: is that possible?
[04:26] <j23tom> Is there any binary rep for ubuntu ? (with freenx)
[04:26] <chrissturm> swoop, the sound daemon, it blocks the sound device
[04:26] <reka> bob2: er, obviously not. :-)
[04:26] <swoop> WORKS !!!!!
[04:26] <mdasilva> thanks for the clarification
[04:26] <swoop> wow !
[04:27] <swoop> hmmm and this doesnt affect the system after i quit the emulator ?
[04:27] <chillywilly> Seveas: it is definitely something with that newer kernel because everything works fine with the older one...it hangs right before it's about to render the desktop
[04:27] <thoreauputic> good ol' esd strikes again... :/
[04:27] <swoop> i mean do i need to restart it later on ?
[04:28] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it's not for no reason that it'll be ditched for Breezy
[04:28] <Juhaz> swoop, only if you want to hear the annoying windows-ish sound effects from gnome when clicking buttons and so on
[04:28] <reka> bob2: i'm just wondering if that is the full list... even if i maximise the terminal the list reaches the bottom.
[04:28] <chrissturm> swoop: you can just start it again with "esd &"
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Seveas: indeed
[04:28] <bob2> reka: it won't be
[04:28] <swoop> okay thanks... im running the emu from a script, so i can jus add killall esd before it runs, and then restart before quit ;)
[04:28] <bob2> reka: I don't know how to access the ones off the bottom, aside from changing the sort order
[04:28] <swoop> thanks a bunch for the help ! D
[04:28] <mdasilva> can anyone point me to a page that discusses what this universe multiverse thing is?
[04:28] <swoop> now basically i have everything running on my new laptop and can enjoy learning linux through ubuntu :D
[04:28] <Seveas> mdasilva, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[04:28] <reka> bob2: ok then.  i guess it's not that important anyway.
[04:29] <nalioth> !Restricted
[04:29] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:29] <bob2> reka: it'd be a good feature request, I think
[04:29] <bob2> tho I'm sure someone would have asked for that by now
[04:29] <reka> bob2: would they bother? isn't top "mature"?
[04:29] <nalioth> mdasilva: read what ubotu said about restriced
[04:30] <bob2> sure, that doesn't mean it can't have features added, tho
[04:30] <Seveas> nalioth, hmm, I don't think he meant that...
[04:31] <hpnadig> does anybody know workaround for this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39499.html ?
[04:31] <Seveas> hpnadig, yes: don't use Breezy
[04:31] <alicia> Anyone know a good music download program for linux??
[04:32] <bionic> limewire.com
[04:32] <alicia> is limewire free?
[04:32] <ericz> there's a free version
[04:32] <reka> 'lo bionic, how goes the gaming?
[04:33] <hpnadig> Seveas: well, I've commented out the breezy repositories now and run apt-get update... but still
[04:33] <alicia> Has anyone ever used DC++
[04:33] <bionic> reka, havent tried anything yet, still playing q3 :p
[04:33] <seifu> nalioth: cheers, worked like a charm
[04:33] <hpnadig> alicia: limewire free version is a nagware
[04:33] <Seveas> hpnadig, well duh, you're already running breezy...
[04:33] <alicia> hpnadig, what's nagware?
[04:33] <Seveas> just commenting out the breezy repositories will not magically downgrade...
[04:34] <hpnadig> alicia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagware
[04:34] <sproingie> hpnadig: that's a step up from what it used to be, which was spyware
[04:34] <madsen> Uh! Anyone tried Nexuiz?
[04:34] <bob2> hpnadig: you can't downgrade, in future don't use development versions if you're not a developer
[04:34] <m0r0n> Although lsof -l /mnt/callit/ prints no output, /mnt/callit is still busy when attempting to umount it. What does that mean?
[04:35] <hpnadig> bob2: ok, np. But is there a workaround for the issue?
[04:35] <Seveas> yes, reinstalling Hoary...
[04:35] <hpnadig> hmm...
[04:35] <madsen> bob2: You can downgrade... I downgraded Apache and PHP on my server...
[04:35] <madsen> bob2: That was pure Debian however.
[04:35] <Seveas> madsen, we're talking about downgrading a whole system
[04:36] <bob2> madsen: downgrading from a broken development release to a stable one is a lot more complicated than that
[04:36] <madsen> Seveas: Oh! Sorry then...
[04:36] <bob2> hpnadig: lots of things get uninstallable in breezy
[04:36] <bob2> hpnadig: you have to wait for it to be fixed
[04:36] <darkmantux> Hi of Spain
[04:36] <darkmantux> ;-)
[04:36] <madsen> bob2: Yeah, I see.. Didn't realize we were talking about an entire system... Sorry.
[04:36] <bob2> not a problem
[04:37] <hpnadig> bob2: ok.
[04:37] <hpnadig> anyways, what package is the libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 on the repository?
[04:38] <hpnadig> wondering if there's a way I can install that and get to see synaptic again
[04:38] <bob2> hpnadig: no, sorry
[04:38] <bob2> hpnadig: wtf, you let it remove synaptic?
[04:39] <bob2> if you're going to use breezy, you at the very very least check what apt wants to do
[04:40] <hpnadig> yep, I realise that.
[04:40] <Seveas> hpnadig, really, reinstall hoary...
[04:41] <hpnadig> Seveas: maybe not, I'll try if I can come out of this issue.
[04:41] <chrissturm> hpnadig, what issue do you have?
[04:41] <Seveas> chrissturm, a lack of clue ;)
[04:42] <f> hi everyone!
[04:42] <Seveas> No, an apt problem in breezy...
[04:42] <Seveas> hi Mr. F
[04:42] <Dj_AlTeK> hey every1
[04:42] <hpnadig> chrissturm: same as this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39499.html
[04:42] <thoreauputic> f, your nick is too long...
[04:42] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:42] <Seveas> muha :)
[04:42] <Seveas> try |
[04:42] <f> I just installed Ubuntu on my Thinkpad T21. And I am feeling very good! I am new to IRC, so excuse me if I should not be speaking like this!
[04:43] <Seveas> happy birthday!
[04:43] <thoreauputic> f welcome :)
[04:43] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx
[04:43] <Seveas> f, welcome to Ubuntu (and #ubuntu)
[04:43] <f> I dont know how to set my nick here .. My original nick was not accepted.
[04:43] <Dj_AlTeK> brb gotta call my aunt
[04:43] <shawarma> f: /nick yournewnick
[04:43] <thoreauputic> f your nick is fine ;)
[04:43] <Dj_AlTeK> type /nick <insert nick here>
[04:43] <Bader> Seveas: should I contact mako by mail?
[04:44] <Seveas> Bader, or via IRC
[04:44] <Seveas> but mail is better i think :)
[04:44] <amitabh> testing
[04:44] <amitabh> ok, f is gone.
[04:44] <Seveas> hehe :)
[04:44] <thoreauputic> amitabh: nope, you don't exist :)
[04:44] <amitabh> :-)
[04:45] <amitabh> I am very excited for some reason!
[04:45] <thoreauputic> amitabh: what did you want to ask, anyway, after all that....