[05:37] <CIA-97> ubiquity: superm1 * r4136 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): install.py: Update APT usage from deprecated functions and variables.
[12:04] <ev> cool, thanks
[12:09] <joschi> hi! how can I tell d-i or more precisely partman that I want to have the remaining free space of a hard drive (after the partitions have been created) in a LVM volume group?
[12:09] <joschi> e.g. create a partition with 10G in the volume group and have the rest unassigned to any LV, but assigned to the volume group
[14:40] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4160 maverick-redesign/ (10 files in 6 dirs): Initial commit of parallel debconffilter work. Do not expect this to work yet.
[18:10] <shtylman> any of you guys going to debconf?
[21:19] <ev> shtylman: oh my god
[21:19] <ev> it slipped my mind that you, you know, live there
[21:19] <ev> yes
[21:19] <ev> both cjwatson and I will be there
[21:19] <ev> lets meet up
[21:20] <ev> cjwatson: it may be that sausage talking, but would it be crazy to benchmark a C implementation of scripts/install.py now that it's going to be much simpler?
[21:20] <ev> mind you, /not for maverick/
[21:24] <shtylman> ev: haha... no worries.. yes, we should meet up :)
[21:31] <superm1> ev, what about plugins that normally get called out in scripts/install.py?  or are you thinking just a C implementation for certain portions of it?
[21:32] <ev> superm1: plugin installing is moving into its own module (working on that now)
[21:32] <ev> it's needed for the debconffilter parallel thingy
[21:33] <ev> as the parallel database (which we use for the file copy) is just an in memory database with no bridge to the real database
[21:33] <ev> so plugin install happens on the real db
[21:34] <superm1> some of the things that are done in scripts/install.py would  be annoying to implement in C I think
[21:34] <ev> perhaps
[21:34] <ev> I am ripping an awful lot out
[21:35] <superm1> i guess i'll have to see what you mean once you've got a few commits up
[21:35] <ev> but this might not work, as there's a lot of state that's held onto between copy start and finish
[21:35] <ev> sure
[21:35] <ev> by the way, I got the installer session panel mostly working
[21:35] <ev> it's just missing tray icon support
[21:35] <ev> but indicators work
[21:36] <superm1> cool!
[21:36] <ev> so in addition to the wireless page in the installer, you can also select your wifi network from the panel.  win!
[21:37] <superm1> is there going to be a custom indicator applet developed for changing locale on the fly as originally invisioned, or is that going to push out further?
[21:39] <ev> I believe DX was working on such a thing at some point, but I'll check with them tomorrow
[21:57] <superm1> cjwatson, i noticed current builds are using a different syntax in isolinux.cfg to load gfxboot, 'ui gfxboot bootlogo'.  that's going to be troublesome for older versions of syslinux isn't it?  eg people burning images from systems older than maverick to usb keys
[22:58] <superm1> cjwatson, and actually it seems some people are reporting just that (bug 608382)
[22:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608382 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Error: Unkown keyword in configuration file (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608382


[04:27] <Takyoji> Dell didn't just pull EVERYTHING they have with Ubuntu, did they? http://www.dell.com/ubuntu
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> For the eight millionth time, no.
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Dell is stupid, and takes down all of the Ubuntu stuff while they're working on certifying new machines, then puts up all of the new stuff later, rather than replacing it live.
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> Thus, Ubuntu users who don't pay attention do a collective giant freakout and blog frenzy about this twice a year.
[04:40] <Takyoji> would be nice if they didn't have it pulled for like half the freaking year every time though. :P
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> yup
[04:45] <Takyoji> and it would be nice if System76 had a mid-level laptop
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> Define "mid-level"?
[04:45] <Takyoji> Not starting at $700
[04:45] <Takyoji> i.e. like $300-400
[04:45] <Takyoji> or 'low-end' I guess you could call it.
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I would.
[04:46] <Takyoji> even though I've been able to get quite good hardware at that price.
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> They can't make any money in that segment.
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> They could make a system like that, but there's no way they could be competitive with Dell there.
[04:47] <Takyoji> so then you're implying they're supposedly competitive with Dell now with their current line? :P
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> yes
[04:51] <Takyoji> but currently I have a friend that isn't in a substantial job, and saving up for their Wacom tablet (about $100-150) was a bit of effort for them to pull off, they are exclusively an Ubuntu user, and would need to get something better of a laptop at some time; I was looking at like a $300 system from Dell as being a potential option.
[05:09] <Takyoji> Has Ubuntu shipped with Deja Dup at all before?
[05:09] <Takyoji> If it hasn't, then I'll mention that it's present in 11.10
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> I don't even know what that is.
[05:09] <Takyoji> backup utility
[05:10] <Takyoji> and now a tool for color management
[05:12] <Takyoji> and a 'removable media' panel for controlling what it does when certain media is loaded (CD, DVD, SD card, etc)
[05:12] <Takyoji> some 'Wacom Graphics Tablet' thing
[05:13] <Takyoji> and opening XTerm crashed Unity
[05:21] <Takyoji> and also a new "System Info" panel as well in 11.10 (even though it's reporting the version as 11.04. xP) which is good; just too bad it's a bit bare as of yet


[07:10] <christel> good morning and goodbye!
[07:10]  * christel heads for gatwick
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:11] <MartijnVdS> fleeing the country?
[07:14] <jacobw2> morning
[07:14] <jacobw2> one can leave the country from gatwick?
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> jacobw2: I've flown from/to Gatwick to/from Amsterdam
[07:14]  * jacobw2 wonder if he's still ghosting
[07:14] <jacobw2> :)
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> Ghost reporting?
[07:15] <jacobw> cool, i'm +Zi again
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> Zi?
[07:15] <jacobw> SASL + identified
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> ah
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> hey I'm +Zi
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> apparently..
[07:16] <diplo> Morning all
[07:16] <jacobw> morning diplo
[07:17] <diplo> How come 1 or 2 pints recently and meal has recently seemed to turn into 7-8 pints and a meal
[07:17] <diplo> I'm to old for this!
[07:18]  * jacobw pours coffee for diplo
[07:19] <diplo> heh ta
[07:21] <Myrtti> +i doesnt mean you are identified
[07:22] <jacobw> it doesn't?
[07:22] <Myrtti> it means others cant see what channels you are in when they whois you unless they are on same channels
[07:23] <jacobw> i see :)
[07:23] <Myrtti> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[07:24] <Myrtti> ie. +i as invisible
[07:24] <jacobw> i'm currently using irssi out of habit, i'm considering trying weechat
[07:26]  * TheOpenSourcerer got his dates messed up and now has no one to go and drink beer with this afternoon. Anyone fancy an impromptu session at the Great British Beer Festival (London Olympia)?
[07:38] <hoover> morning all
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:29] <mungojerry> ubuntu one sharing working OK?
[08:29] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:30] <davmor2> morning AlanBell
[08:30] <mungojerry> http://ubuntuone.com/0Q7iftpzYbSWU6hTQUcZTl shows as Could not locate object
[08:31] <mungojerry> what's the u1 irc channel please?
[08:31] <davmor2> mungojerry: I see a picture of candy floss
[08:31] <AlanBell> #ubuntuone
[08:31] <mungojerry> weird
[08:32] <mungojerry> davmor2, ah, works now
[08:32] <mungojerry> i unpublished and republished, or miht just have been a monetary outage
[08:32] <mungojerry> momentary
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all. Now in the office with no car and no one to go drinking with :-(
[08:33] <davmor2> mungojerry: it isn't instant you have to give it a second or two
[08:33] <mungojerry> i published it last night
[08:33] <mungojerry> and it was working, but i have a feeling that then my phone decided to do the batch upload of photos and overwrote it
[08:33] <mungojerry> possibly overwriting the publishing status
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungojerry: FWIW I removed U1 from my machines. Chewed up resources and just didn't seem to work that well. Dropbox "just works".
[08:34] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: well I was going to work from home today seeing as you were not supposed to be in the office . . .
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[08:35]  * AlanBell ponders drinkability of this afternoon
[08:36] <AlanBell> need moar spice racks http://ratemyspicerack.com
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> It will take time to assemble mine - my "rack" is actually a large double door cupboard with everything in boxes (my wife's idea) which I now hate as it takes ages to get to everything. But I do have quite a lot of stuff in my rack.
[08:42] <extrasolar> So is there anyway at all I can recover internet history from incognito mode in chrome?
[08:42] <extrasolar> I went on a website that was awesome but I cannot remember what it was called
[08:42] <AlanBell> extrasolar: if there is then that is a bug
[08:43] <extrasolar> :(
[08:43] <extrasolar> In that case, what would be the ideal present for a techy girlfriend?
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> you probably know her better than we do :)
[08:46] <extrasolar> I guess
[08:46] <mungojerry> extrasolar, does she like jewellery?
[08:46] <extrasolar> She does, but I was thinking of getting her a jokey nerdy present
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> Time for a thinkgeek raid :)
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> extrasolar: Take her to Venice or Rome for a long weekend.
[08:47] <extrasolar> pfffft
[08:47] <extrasolar> money
[08:47] <mungojerry> t-shirt from woot or threadless?
[08:48] <mungojerry> a crocheted ubuntu drinks coaster?
[08:49] <mungojerry> http://www.etsy.com/listing/91184032/geek-clock-ill-meet-you-at-pi-for-pie?ref=sr_gallery_17&ga_search_query=geek&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_min=0&ga_max=0&ga_includes[0]=tags&ga_search_type=all&ga_facet=geek&ga_includes[]=tags
[08:49] <extrasolar> oh wow
[08:49] <mungojerry> this has lots of ideas http://www.etsy.com/search?q=geek&view_type=gallery&ship_to=ZZ&min=0&max=0&includes[]=tags
[08:50] <mungojerry> this is sweet..
[08:50] <mungojerry> http://www.etsy.com/listing/99066209/red-pixel-heart-necklace-geek-gamer?ref=sr_gallery_23&ga_search_query=geek&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_min=0&ga_max=0&ga_includes[0]=tags&ga_search_type=all&ga_facet=geek&ga_includes[]=tags
[08:50] <mungojerry> last one i promise :D
[08:52] <SuperMatt> ambiance is looking a lot better these days guys
[08:52] <extrasolar> I'm fairly new to the linux world but already I am seeing a problem with flash
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> Flash is bad.
[08:53] <SuperMatt> what's the issue you're having?
[08:53] <extrasolar> I moved from ubuntu to debian today and the problem is still there. My laptop heats up quick when a youtube video is playing
[08:53] <SuperMatt> I've found that installing flashplugin-installer works fine
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> I've found a lot of sites don't use flash anymore :)
[08:53] <extrasolar> youtube?
[08:54] <mungojerry> extrasolar, sign up to html5 on youtube
[08:54] <SuperMatt> I don't think you need to
[08:54] <SuperMatt> I think it defaults to html 5 if you don't have flash installed
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> if you have html5 and no flash it defaults
[08:54] <mungojerry> yeah, but chrome has flash builtin?
[08:54] <mungojerry> plays videos 2x as fast for me
[08:55] <SuperMatt> I'm currently enjoying ff more than chrome
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> isn't that a setting?
[08:55] <mungojerry> i tried to like firefox again, but it hogs my machine
[08:55] <extrasolar> I like how chrome integrates everything
[08:55] <extrasolar> just fantastic
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> .. and sends it to google ;)
[09:00] <AlanBell> I am a bit worried about what google thinks of me
[09:00] <extrasolar> yes but what have I got to hide?
[09:00] <AlanBell> dunno about anyone else, but I get lots of adverts from mature dating UK
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> ads?
[09:01] <AlanBell> all these strange older women following me around the internet
[09:01] <extrasolar> ad blocker?
[09:01] <AlanBell> well they don't bother me that much, some of the pictures are quite amusing
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you're not tempted by them?
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - I see mainly ads for Alfresco, and business car leasing.
[09:02] <AlanBell> on http://www.dayinpix.com/ right now I see text adverts for "get your free horoscopes", "Older Dating UK", "love online" and "Over 40's dating"
[09:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is great: https://twitter.com/sammcknight1/status/233294409519755265/photo/1
[09:03] <AlanBell> I do see lots of alfresco adverts, that kind of makes sense
[09:04] <AlanBell> just curious what I have been up to to trigger the other lot
[09:04] <directhex> i mostly get adverts for high heeled shoes. guess i should stop looking for presents for the wife on the work laptop
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> you need to use private mode!
[09:04] <extrasolar> talkiing of twitter, any recommendations on who to follow, I'm new there
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> me me me :-)
[09:04] <AlanBell> gah, another advert for "50+ Dating" who do they think I am!
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> @opensourcerer
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer :P
[09:05] <AlanBell> @alanbell_libsol
[09:05] <extrasolar> cool
[09:05] <diplo> AlanBell: I get mature dating sites all the time aswell
[09:05] <directhex> you should follow @big_ben_clock
[09:05] <AlanBell> extrasolar: and anyone who posted their spice rack to http://ratemyspicerack.com/
[09:05] <AlanBell> and @queen_uk
[09:06] <directhex> yes, @queen_uk will let you know when it's gin o'clock
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - I now have 1514 followers.
[09:06] <directhex> ._.
[09:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning peeps :)
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: imagine that IRL
[09:06] <directhex> you have more followers than me? i officially hate you!
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> But you always did directhex ;-)
[09:07] <AlanBell> 1772 people have me in circles on G+
[09:07] <extrasolar> ha
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because you do BBQs right?
[09:07] <AlanBell> yeah, mostly
[09:07] <extrasolar> what does the ubuntu UK team leader do?
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow - I am only in 217 peep's circles :-(
[09:08] <AlanBell> and Amanda Blain put me in a circle of geeks and shared the circle with over a million followers
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> who is Amanda Blain?
[09:08] <AlanBell> extrasolar: right now, chatting on IRC and having a coffee, and looking at a perplexing PHP error
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Come on!!! Someone must fancy a giant piss up in London this afternoon?
[09:09] <extrasolar> it sounds like an important title to hav
[09:09] <extrasolar> e
[09:09] <bigcalm_laptop> There is business speak going on behind me. It all sounds so fake
[09:09] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: what time are you leaving?
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno yet - When I have someone to go with probably.
[09:09] <directhex> klout doesn't respect my insights on the congo any more either :(
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> I will keep spamming twitter, G+ and facebook for a little while longer
[09:10]  * AlanBell is a bit tempted
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://gbbf.org.uk/beers
[09:10] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: she is quite googleable, I had never heard of her either until I got vast amounts of people following me one day
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I still have no idea..
[09:13] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: those headphones make you look like a 1960's alien
[09:14] <davmor2> I'll have you know I landed in the 70's,  ermm I mean was born in the 70's
[09:14] <extrasolar> Has anyone got any tips for networking with programmers?
[09:14] <extrasolar> I know the simple ones, irc, show github
[09:14] <bigcalm_laptop> Happy birthday to the alien davmor2
[09:14] <extrasolar> but I still feel like I don't know any other programmers
[09:14] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Thanks dude
[09:14] <bigcalm_laptop> extrasolar: try coax
[09:15] <extrasolar> he
[09:15] <bigcalm_laptop> I think I've broken davmor2
[09:17] <davmor2> extrasolar: try hanging out in bars where programmers are, buy them beers till they are drunk and they will be your bestest friend till the end of the night at least
[09:18] <extrasolar> hmm the problem is I am in a town with a small population
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - bendy phones coming soon? http://www.androidpit.com/analysis-is-samsung-sticking-a-flexible-display-in-the-galaxy-note-2
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - http://news.techeye.net/software/debian-dumps-gnome
[09:26] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: I would love to come out, but going camping in the morning :(
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: So what's the problem? ;-)
[09:28] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: that article is misinformation
[09:28] <diplo> heh, getting everything ready, that was the last 2 nights jobs and I have been *dragged* to the pub both nights
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> kicking and screaming?
[09:28] <diplo> Oh yes!
[09:31]  * bigcalm_laptop shakes his fist at cafe wifi
[09:34] <brobostigon> interesting, i just noticed in android google translate update, it can take a picture, pull the text, and translate.
[09:45] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2 is being zapped by a 6(?) year old.  Would miss the train back anyway at that rate.
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> There's nothing more dangerous than a 6 year old girl with a sonic screwdriver
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Today's Work Place Day has been made extra interesting
[10:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> a 6 year old girl with two sonic screwdrivers?
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> :O
[10:07] <daubers> bigcalm_laptop: What about popey on the other side of a crowded room from the buffet?
[10:07] <directhex> a six year old girl with a squareness gun?
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:11] <mungojerry> so, what did nokia do with qt in 4 years?
[10:12] <directhex> feed it cake
[10:12] <daubers> mungojerry: Nearly go bankrupt?
[10:12] <directhex> qt was clearly a terrible fit for nokia the moment they switched to WP7, and anyone who thought Qt still had a home at nokia was deluded
[10:12] <brobostigon> sells themselves off to MS.
[10:13]  * AlanBell wonders whether to scramble some eggs for lunch
[10:14] <directhex> Qt was also a dubious fit beforehand - maemo 5 was all Gtk
[10:14] <directhex> so rewriting the world in Qt for maemo 6, erm, meego harmattan?
[10:15] <daubers> AlanBell: Don't think! Do!
[10:27]  * jussi prods at AlanBell
[10:28]  * TheOpenSourcerer is going to go to Olympia. It's too nice and sunny to not go into a great big exhibition hall and drink loads of beer all afternoon. Will be on the 11:58 train from Farnham.
[10:29]  * AlanBell looks at jussi's rack http://ratemyspicerack.com/jussi01/
[10:31] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: if you leave a ticket in the office I will come up to olympia later
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ticket for what?
[10:31] <AlanBell> oh, it is not ticketed?
[10:31] <AlanBell> the beer thing
[10:31] <mungojerry> beer olympics?
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can get them in advance or just buy them when you get there.
[10:32] <AlanBell> oh, fine in that case hopefully I will catch you later
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK. What time you off tomorrow? Will you be in the office tomorrow am?
[10:33] <AlanBell> yeah, flight is a late evening one
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK cool.
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Today is "hat day" by the way - at the GBBF
[10:34] <AlanBell> I can do hats ;)
[10:41] <jussi> everyone rate my rack!!! http://ratemyspicerack.com/jussi01/ :D
[10:45] <Laney> is it always that tidy? ;-)
[10:45] <jussi> Laney: usually, yes
[10:45] <dogmatic69> Who's site is the spice rack thingy?
[10:45] <AlanBell> what is yours like Laney?
[10:45] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: I wrote it yesterday
[10:45] <Laney> AlanBell: in carrier bags unfortunately
[10:46] <AlanBell> or to be more accurate, flung up a wordpress yesterday
[10:46] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: cool, are you just doing a standard average on the ratings?
[10:46] <dogmatic69> ah
[10:46] <Laney> I'll present it better when I move in a coupla weeks
[10:46] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: I think it is a baysian something or other
[10:46] <Laney> then you can… Rate. My. Rack.
[10:50] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: just averages, the baysian thing was for minimum votes before it rates something I think http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/gd-star-rating/
[10:50] <AlanBell> so that things don't jump to the top with a single 10 rating (I think) but I have turned that off for now
[10:51] <AlanBell> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/08/09/free-official-ubuntu-book-for-approved-loco-teams-2/ anyone want a book?
[10:52] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: yes please
[10:53] <AlanBell> think it might end up as a podcast prize
[10:53] <bigcalm_laptop> Oh, it's 1 per loco?
[10:53] <AlanBell> yeah
[10:53] <AlanBell> kitteh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/09/kittycam_discovers_killer_cats/
[10:58] <jussi> alright, lets get #ratemyspicerack trending on g+ :D
[10:58] <mungojerry> it froze my chrome browser :S
[10:58] <mungojerry> for about 1 minute
[10:58] <mungojerry> froze my machine
[10:59] <AlanBell> mungojerry: gosh
[10:59] <AlanBell> is it repeatable?
[10:59]  * mungojerry tries again
[10:59] <mungojerry> nope
[11:00] <mungojerry> after 1 min chrome said that the page was not responding kill/wait
[11:00] <AlanBell> probably the tweet loading thing
[11:01] <mungojerry> they hadn't loaded at all, so maybe
[11:05] <mungojerry> anyone know off the top of their head the approx numbers of people actively developing gnome/kde/xfce?
[11:06] <mungojerry> i think that elementary could steal gnome OS thunder (if either of them release a distro)
[11:06] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2 has been beaten by the 6 year old girl
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: As I say you can't eat other peoples kids it's frowned on </troll>
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: your own kids = fine though?
[11:44] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: why would you eat your own who makes the drinks, does the garden and cleans the house then?????? :D  Note (/me has no kids)
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: good point
[11:51] <shauno> has no kids .. anymore
[11:51] <mungojerry> kids clean the house?
[11:51] <AlanBell> lulz
[11:51] <mungojerry> like a whirlwind does
[11:52] <davmor2> mungojerry: you have to bribe them with money
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: s/money/food/
[11:54] <christel> moooo
[11:54] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: \o/
[11:55]  * bigcalm_laptop tickles christel
[11:55] <AlanBell> hello christel, where are you?
[11:55] <christel> i am in the skyyyy
[11:55] <AlanBell> :O
[11:55] <christel> :D
[11:56] <AlanBell> and now a member of the IRC mile high club
[11:56] <bigcalm_laptop> Haha
[11:56] <christel> i just cant resist you.. even when at many lots of miles high
[11:56] <christel> haha
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> aww :)
[11:58] <christel> turbulence confuses (scares) david!
[12:00] <christel> as does being awake it seems.. what a boring child i have
[12:01] <bigcalm_laptop> Awww
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> being awake makes him scared & confused?
[12:02] <christel> i dunno he went to sleep :p
[12:02] <christel> sense, i make it
[12:22] <christel> aaah aages to go yet :(
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> christel: how long?
[12:23] <christel> hour and a half i reckon
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> you're going Far Far Away then
[12:24] <christel> nah only been in air half an hour :p
[12:24] <davmor2> christel: hello
[12:29] <mungojerry> can you use mobiles on planes now?
[12:29] <bootini> yes
[12:29] <mungojerry> how do they get signal? i struggle to get signal in tall buildings
[12:32] <AlanBell> picocell
[12:32] <AlanBell> but generally you can't use mobiles on planes
[12:33] <AlanBell> some have wifi though with a satellite uplink
[12:33] <mungojerry> ah, so they charge you for use?
[12:34] <AlanBell> very much so I think
[12:36] <mungojerry> we have a local gold postbox :D
[12:37] <mungojerry> having a frustrating day, as the WFHers are not responding
[12:40] <christel> hellloooo davmor2 :D
[12:41] <christel> i suspect it depends on airline, this one provides free wifi
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> christel: which airline is that?
[12:42] <christel> norwegian :)
[12:42]  * AlanBell is going ryanair tomorrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc
[12:42]  * MartijnVdS will be going DB next week ;)
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> train to Frankfurt \o/
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> and then [don't know yet] to Dublin in october
[12:43] <shauno> I'd recommend against a train to dublin ;)
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Yes, that'll probably a plane :)
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> and probably a cheap one
[12:46] <Pendulum> hiya
[12:47]  * daubers will be driving up the m6 late next week
[12:47] <shauno> it's not fashionable to admit it, but I kinda like ryanair
[12:51] <christel>
[12:56] <directhex> shauno, you're a terrible person
[12:56] <shauno> you say the nicest things :)
[12:57] <shauno> I've been in Ireland nearly 6 years now.  ryanair are essentially my link to civilization
[12:57] <directhex> they themselves are uncivilized though
[12:58] <shauno> they're no worse than the busses.  they're simply no better either
[12:58] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a flying bus
[12:59] <daubers> Until it's a flying catbus I'm not interested
[12:59] <directhex> okay, fine, no worse than busses
[12:59] <directhex> but i don't need to subject myself to an airport to go by bus
[13:00] <directhex> airports nowadays are such a horrid experience
[13:00] <shauno> you can hardly blame the airlines for that
[13:00] <directhex> it's like being rewarded for finishing cleaning the toilet by discovering a large vomit patch in the living room. going through the hell of airport security and ending up... on ryanair
[13:02] <Pendulum> christel: !
[13:08] <mungojerry> one of the many reasons i don't fly
[13:09]  * MartijnVdS likes his new router
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> TP-Link WDR4300 (now with OpenWRT)
[13:11] <directhex> the wifi on my router might be crap. or maybe it's the laptop
[13:13] <dwatkins> directhex: do you have an Android phone? This is handy: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
[13:13] <diplo> +1
[13:13] <diplo> :)
[13:14] <directhex> wife does
[13:14] <dwatkins> free app with adverts, so you don't even need to give her 69p ;)
[13:14] <dwatkins> (It's a bit of a shame, as I'd happily pay for the app to remove the adverts)
[13:15] <mungojerry> does android market allow paypal payments yet?
[13:16] <diplo> If not yet, very soon
[13:16] <mungojerry> still haven't purchased an app in 2 1/2 yrs
[13:16] <mungojerry> if tey took paypal i would
[13:17] <mungojerry> because it would lower the barrier to entry
[13:17] <dwatkins> I hear good things about 'stripe' as a paypal alternative.
[13:17] <mungojerry> i don't wanna setup another service with my CC and bank a/c
[13:18] <dwatkins> I think I just put mine in to my google checkout config once
[13:20] <diplo> yeah i use google wallet
[13:33] <christel> aw they are turning the net off to land!
[13:34] <Pendulum> christel: :( have a good time doing all those norwegian things ;)
[13:35] <christel> i shall! no doubt stalk you soon (got another 7 hours of travel first mind! pfff!) xxx
[13:35] <Pendulum> haha
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> Cool
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> I bought an AP (a "pro" one) and it comes with a manual on how to install DD-WRT
[13:57] <mungojerry> is the rasp pi model A out yet?
[13:57] <AlanBell> no
[14:02] <directhex> what's a starter age for pi usage?
[14:03] <directhex> seems schools are using them for ~12 year olds
[14:03] <directhex> in clubs
[14:03] <mungojerry> what's this program scratch ?
[14:04] <mungojerry> is it in the repos?
[14:04] <mungojerry> one problem is that VGA monitors are plentiful
[14:04] <mungojerry> and rpi doesn't work directly with them
[14:05] <directhex> vga monitors are plentiful in houses of pack rats
[14:05] <directhex> TVs are more plentiful
[14:05] <directhex> they're in the houses of everyone
[14:05] <mungojerry> for schools, then vga monitors
[14:05] <mungojerry> i agree about houses though
[14:06] <mungojerry> you can't provide everything i know, but it's a barrier for lab fulls of rpi in schools
[14:06] <directhex> i don't get why VGA monitors are cheaper than DVI
[14:06] <mungojerry> i just gave away 20 vga flat panel mons
[14:06] <mungojerry> thats cheap
[14:06] <directhex> the display is digital, the source is digital, it's cheaper to add a DAC and ADC?
[14:10] <daubers> directhex: economies of scale?
[14:10] <mungojerry> i've seen a case that makes me want to buy a pi
[14:10] <mungojerry> i mock apple users for similar desires
[14:11] <directhex> i don't think labs of pi are the way to go. every kid should have their own device, it's the only way to keep them interested/excited
[14:11] <mungojerry> then how do u teach in the class though?
[14:31] <directhex> mungojerry, well, that's a question
[14:33] <ali1234> i don't think the answer to that is hardware
[14:33] <ali1234> how do you teach kids to think?
[14:33] <ali1234> is that even the goal of the modern education system?
[14:33] <mungojerry> i didn't mean that
[14:34] <mungojerry> i just mean, a school is prob more likely to have access to vga monitors to run a lab
[14:34] <mungojerry> especially if they are given
[14:34] <ali1234> yeah
[14:34] <ali1234> and this "TVs are more common" thing
[14:34] <ali1234> well yeah they are more common
[14:34] <ali1234> now try using linux shell on a composite signal
[14:34] <ali1234> i hope the kids have good eyesight
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: kids have better eyesight :)
[14:37] <ali1234> and of course there's the fact that a VGA signal can drive any TV with scart or composite
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's the "trying to read over composite" that makes it worse :)
[14:37] <ali1234> with only a passive adapter that is cheaper than the pi
[14:38] <ali1234> for that matter a passive HDMI cable probably costs more than the pi
[14:38] <mungojerry> yes
[14:38] <ali1234> then add on the VGA converter and you are looking at £60
[14:41] <mungojerry> can you connect dvi to a telly?
[14:41] <mungojerry> i.e. would it have been better if the pi had dvi
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> DVI and HDMI are identical
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> all you need is a converter
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> passive converter*
[14:42] <mungojerry> i use a converter on my graphics card to convert dvi->vga
[14:42] <mungojerry> but people are saying that using a hdmi->vga converter would be either bad or £££
[14:43] <ali1234> i'd rather just have a general purpose high bandwidth dsp add on though, to be honest
[14:43] <ali1234> that could do anything, pretty much
[14:45] <directhex> ali1234, wat?
[14:45] <directhex> ali1234, you know any TV made in the last decade has HDMI, right?
[14:45] <directhex> mungojerry, HDMI carries a DVI signal over a different form factor, they can be converted trivially
[14:45] <ali1234> yes, and i know HDMI cables cost upwards of £30 if you buy them in a highstreet store
[14:46] <directhex> mungojerry, you cannot carry VGA over HDMI, you need an active adapter with a DAC, and those cost far more than the pi itself
[14:46] <directhex> mungojerry, using a DVI->VGA adapter only works if the output socket is DVI-I, using spare pins on the DVI socket to send VGA data, which is then physically converted to a VGA socket
[14:46] <mungojerry> directhex, therefore dvi and hdmi are not identical, which takes me back to the oringal question, would the pi be better off with a dvi port?
[14:47] <ali1234> just putting a dvi port on it wouldn't help
[14:47] <mungojerry> ok, so it's more than a port
[14:47] <ali1234> the chip isn't vga capable
[14:47] <directhex> mungojerry, DVI-I? fairly sure it wouldn't help since the broadcom chip has no VGA encoder
[14:47] <mungojerry> i see from directhex answer
[14:47] <ali1234> so it would be a dvi-d port only
[14:47] <mungojerry> understand now
[14:47] <ali1234> which is no different to hdmi
[14:47] <ali1234> it is cheaper due to no licensing fees though
[14:47] <ali1234> but it is also bigger
[14:47] <mungojerry> hdmi carries audio, right?
[14:48] <directhex> also, audio
[14:48] <ali1234> yeah
[14:48] <ali1234> there's no reason dvi-d cannot do audio
[14:48] <mungojerry> did that cotton candy box ever arrive, or the other rasp pi type box?
[14:48] <directhex> it's not in the spec, so no hardware on earth would deal with it
[14:49] <ali1234> for example the chromebox does not have hdmi ports
[14:49] <nja> What's up with this Ubuntu Book stuff?
[14:49] <mungojerry> maybe the ouya looks good for performance
[14:49] <nja> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/08/09/free-official-ubuntu-book-for-approved-loco-teams-2/
[14:50] <directhex> the ouya is an htc one x, with different form factor & hdmi port
[14:50] <nja> Can I get one?
[14:52] <kirrus> Hrm.. does anyone know how I can reload unity's menus? My clock seems to have gotten stuck at 0146 :/
[14:53] <AlanBell> nja: I will order it and it will probably be given away as a prize on the podcast
[14:53] <mungojerry> sounds like best idea AlanBell
[14:53] <mungojerry> need to remember to download podcast again, sort of forgot since 2012
[14:53]  * AlanBell was on the most recent podcast
[14:59] <mungojerry> how does the DE on the raspi compare to say, an eee in real use?
[15:00] <AlanBell> performance is probably similar, if you want something to go fast then don't use either.
[15:00] <AlanBell> in real use the big difference is not having 600px vertical (unless you have some really odd hdmi monitor)
[15:11] <ali1234> plenty of DE will run fine on either
[15:11] <ali1234> just not any of KDE, gnome, unity
[15:12] <mungojerry> yes, i run lxde on my eee 701
[15:12] <mungojerry> however keyboard and mouse always feel a bit sluggish
[15:12] <ali1234> i expect the pi to be quite a bit slower than the eee though
[15:12] <Azelphur> some random company I've never heard of just bought qt o.O
[15:13] <ali1234> but that is mainly due to the whacky graphics
[15:13] <Azelphur> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/08/09/1340247/digia-to-acquire-qt-from-nokia
[15:14] <mungojerry> the aim is to port it to android & ios too
[15:14] <mungojerry> they already bought the qt licensing last year
[15:14] <ali1234> it is already ported to android and ios
[15:14] <ali1234> they just couldn't make it part of the official system because of microsoft
[15:15] <ali1234> the work has been done since about a year
[15:17] <ali1234> http://sourceforge.net/p/necessitas/home/necessitas/
[15:41] <mungojerry> good idea though. whats the point of cross platform toolkkit that doesn't work on some of the most popular platforms
[15:41] <mungojerry> understand that ios has limitations due to closed nature of apple
[15:58] <mungojerry> hmm not sure we should be counting the medals won in 1908: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1908_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
[15:59] <BigRedS> why not?
[16:00] <ging> because it was rigged
[16:00] <mungojerry> it's not in the same league
[16:00] <mungojerry> as this performance, taking into account the number of atheletes and countries
[16:01] <mungojerry> it's a bit like when real madrid say they won the european champions league title certain years that hardly count either
[16:01] <BigRedS> It depends why you're counting it and what you determining the count to mean, I suppose
[16:01] <mungojerry> i wonder how many golds USA would have in 2012 if you took out the swimming
[16:02] <zleap> i remember someone i worked with who was from liverpool saying that man u's 1999 win didn't count as the weren't champions and yet when livepool  won as non champions it counted
[16:02] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to compile an if-we-still-had-Empire table
[16:02] <zleap> we have the commonweath games for that
[16:03] <zleap> and back then i think we called it the empire games
[16:03] <mungojerry> swimming gives a disproportionate amount of medals
[16:03] <zleap> which is odd givjng that swimming is one of the most accesible sports,  not like you need any special equipment
[16:04] <mungojerry> big feed like flippers helps
[16:04] <mungojerry> feet
[16:05] <zleap> maybe
[16:05] <ging> 1 in 3 americans can't even swim
[16:05] <mungojerry> ethiopia has only 1 swimming pool per 6 m people
[16:05] <mungojerry> i could possibly do a length but i'd need a rest and bend my cramp toes back into position
[16:06] <zleap> what about lakes etc  if you live near a lake you can swim in most places,  (ok you need to be care of predators i guess)
[16:06] <mungojerry> swimming does give too many medals, and it shows that you often get multi medal winners winnign 5 golds
[16:06] <ging> there are not that many lakes in ethiopia
[16:06] <zleap> ok
[16:06] <zleap> maybe generally then
[16:06] <mungojerry> phelps is not the greatest olympian, the wimming races are all too similar
[16:07] <zleap> in terms of actual equipment needed
[16:07] <zleap> compared to say rugby, soccer,  football,  sailing,  etc
[16:08] <mungojerry> football just needs a pigs bladder and some jumpers for goalposts
[16:08] <zleap> ok
[16:08] <ging> you could use a pile of dust for goal posts
[16:08] <mungojerry> true
[16:08] <zleap> yeah
[16:08] <mungojerry> or a dog
[16:09] <ging> maybe a dead dog
[16:09] <zleap> i was thinking football being american football (hence i also said soccer) but for the latter you don't need goalposts
[16:10] <zleap> i am off for food chat later
[16:10] <ging> kabaddi
[16:10] <ging> you don't need anything for that
[16:10] <ging> it's like rugby without a ball
[16:11] <zleap> you need a ball for football
[16:17] <BigRedS> zleap: nah, commonwealth games is for competition between the commonwealth. I mean the UK turning up at the 'lympics with US, Aus, NZ etc. on our side
[16:17] <BigRedS> but different selections of countries for different years
[16:51] <Guest44969> i dual booted windows 7 and ubuntu i just delete the partition with ubuntu i just restarter it now i have error: unknown file system . grub rescue
[16:51] <Guest44969> can anyone help
[16:52] <Guest44969> ?
[16:52] <Hunter68uk> check bios boots correct disk first
[16:52] <Guest44969> how ?
[16:53] <Guest44969> it wont let me turn it on
[16:53] <Hunter68uk> you cant turn computer on?
[16:53] <Guest44969> yes
[16:53] <Guest44969> im on different pc
[16:53] <zleap> hi
[16:53] <Guest44969> it wont let me boot into windows
[16:53] <Hunter68uk> you dont need to to get into BIOS
[16:54] <zleap> BigRedS, USA or canada
[16:54] <Guest44969> what do i have to do then ?
[16:54] <Hunter68uk> reset computer/turn it on and hold del key
[16:55] <Guest44969> now what ?
[16:55] <Hunter68uk> you should be in BIOS
[16:55] <Guest44969> yes
[16:55] <Hunter68uk> right now find where it says boot sequence
[16:55] <Guest44969> yes
[16:55] <Hunter68uk> check it is booting the correct HDD first and then save and restart
[16:56] <Guest44969> ok i dont that
[16:56] <Guest44969> and its restarting
[16:56] <Guest44969> still comes up error unknown filesystem grub rescue
[16:57] <Hunter68uk> hmm! that cured mine yesterday
[16:57] <Hunter68uk> you cant boot windows or linux?
[16:57] <Guest44969> nop
[16:57] <Guest44969> no
[16:58] <Guest44969> what should i do ?
[16:58] <Hunter68uk> just checking
[16:59] <Guest44969> ok
[16:59] <Hunter68uk> did you install with LIVE CD?
[16:59] <Guest44969> think so
[16:59] <Hunter68uk> ok put CD in drive and reboot and select Live CD option
[17:00] <Guest44969> i dont have i no more
[17:00] <Guest44969> it
[17:00] <Hunter68uk> oh :(
[17:00] <Guest44969> i installed it like a year ago
[17:00] <Hunter68uk> oh so it was running for a year
[17:01] <Hunter68uk> ahh i see you deleted the windows 7 partition
[17:01] <Guest44969> it stoped running because i deleted the partion of the hard drive ubuntu was in
[17:01] <Guest44969> i deleted ubuntu not windows
[17:01] <Guest44969> by a accident
[17:01] <Hunter68uk> you may have to reinstal unless someone here knows the answer
[17:01] <Guest44969> reinstall what ubuntu ?
[17:01] <Hunter68uk> yes
[17:02] <Guest44969> ok do u have link to download it ?
[17:03] <Hunter68uk> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[17:03] <Hunter68uk> sorry am cooking dinner or i would have been quicker lol
[17:04] <Guest44969> ok ill do that then come back later
[17:05] <Hunter68uk> ok
[17:10] <tonytiger> Hi all
[17:11] <tonytiger> I just had to kill an endlessly respawning python process on the ubuntu-uk server that was eating all the RAM and swap
[17:11] <tonytiger> It seemed to be to do with the planet
[17:11] <tonytiger> Not sure who might care about it.
[17:19] <tonytiger> Hmm, now lighttpd is not responding...
[17:21] <tonytiger> Rebooting.
[17:23]  * tonytiger wonders vaguely when the server will reappear
[17:26] <tonytiger> Not yet, it seems.
[17:26] <tonytiger> AlanBell: ping
[17:27] <drussell> tonytiger: oops :o)
[17:28] <tonytiger> drussell: yeah
[17:28] <tonytiger> I don't have console access to that server
[17:29] <tonytiger> Not sure who does
[17:29] <tonytiger> Actually, Daviey probably does
[17:30] <Guest44969> hunter86 uk
[17:32] <tonytiger> Well, either way it isn't coming back on its own...
[17:34] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[17:34] <bigcalm> What have I missed today?
[17:35] <tonytiger> I rebooted the ubuntu uk server and it's not coming back.
[17:35] <bigcalm> tonytiger: good think it's not sysadmin day then ;)
[17:36] <bigcalm> s/think/thing
[17:36] <tonytiger> I need someone with console access to the bitfolk account to have a look at it
[17:37] <bigcalm> Where's a popey when you need one?
[17:38] <bigcalm> tonytiger: you could tickle grifferz and ask nicely :)
[17:38] <tonytiger> Yeah, worth a shot
[17:40] <tonytiger> I've left him a prv, but he's not around
[18:25] <AlanBell> hi tonytiger
[18:26] <tonytiger> AlanBell: the box is back
[18:26] <tonytiger> But there are some problems with it
[18:26] <tonytiger> Well,
[18:26] <tonytiger> nothing urgent
[18:26] <tonytiger> but some config issues
[18:26] <tonytiger> Shall I email them?
[18:26] <AlanBell> um, wonder if I have access, I might do
[18:27] <tonytiger> Heh
[18:27] <tonytiger> It needed someone with console access
[18:27] <tonytiger> grifferz helped me out
[18:36] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/myriamrs/ best rack so far (well 4 of them)
[18:37] <AlanBell> tonytiger: lets see your spice rack
[18:41] <tonytiger> Later perhaps
[18:41] <AlanBell> yay
[18:41] <Azelphur> do microwave meals count
[18:42]  * Azelphur runs
[18:49] <tonytiger> AlanBell: have e-mailed you, popey and Daviey
[18:51] <AlanBell> thanks
[18:56] <popey> evening
[18:56] <andypiper> that was mysterious
[18:56] <Azelphur> popey: are you still using rsnapshot?
[18:57] <andypiper> clearly Ubuntu UK need to do a lot of work to infiltrate Young Rwired State. Most kids at my centre this week using Win and Mac
[18:57] <andypiper> only 1/15 using UbOOOntu
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> andypiper: poor kids
[18:57] <andypiper> I blame the loco leadership…. :-P
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> andypiper: how can you code on Windows?!
[18:57] <andypiper> "code" == html, css, javascript in many cases :-(
[18:58] <andypiper> (yes yes yes I know)
[18:58] <ali1234> what is your point?
[18:58] <ali1234> windows has two different scripting languages built into the shell
[18:58] <ali1234> one of them is javascript
[18:59] <ali1234> writing html5 applications is no more or less valid than using any other high level scripting language
[19:00] <ali1234> it certainly makes more sense than using .net
[19:03] <AlanBell> hi andypiper
[19:04]  * AlanBell adds lightbox plugin to http://ratemyspicerack.com
[19:31] <andypiper> yo
[19:41]  * bigcalm waddles in
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> bigcalm: quack
[19:44] <bigcalm> Quake
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> Quake II
[19:52] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: cool, submit your spice tray!
[19:52] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/share-your-rack/
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: submitting as requested
[19:53] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[20:03] <bigcalm> AlanBell: question you might be able to answer
[20:03] <bigcalm> AlanBell: why is the <title> of http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ 'Ubuntu Podcast'?
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> I hope you're not field hockey fans \o/
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> NED 6-1 GBR
[20:04] <bigcalm> Have we lost?
[20:04] <bigcalm> Good
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 23 minutes to go, but it's 6-1
[20:05] <bigcalm> I am amused by NED though :D
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> 7-1
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> Are they even trying? :P
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> 8-1
[20:08] <bigcalm> Is this the final?
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> semi-
[20:08] <bigcalm> I think GBR have enough medals already
[20:09] <bigcalm> Any more is greedy
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> NED has a chance of winning gold on both men's and women's hockey
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> hmm: velly interestink:  http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/ubuntu-12.10-might-ship-with-nautilus-3.4-instead-of-3.6-120808135004.html
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> wooo @ tshark
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Change password in web interface
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Web interface asks to re-enter password
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Password wrong
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> can't figure out correct password
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> go "back" in browser, have it re-submit the "change password" form while tshark is running
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> see password in dump file
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> saves me a factory reset :)
[20:19] <tonytiger> bigcalm: google juice
[20:20] <Dave2> sounds tasty
[20:20] <bigcalm> It does. But that doesn't say why the title lacks 'UK'
[20:21] <bigcalm> Unless I'm missing something
[20:22] <tonytiger> Generally we brand it "Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo"
[20:22] <bigcalm> A podcast aggregater?
[20:22] <tonytiger> We refer to the show as Ubuntu UK Podcast on the show because it's easier to say
[20:22] <bigcalm> I see
[20:22] <tonytiger> and we've kept the ID3 tags the same too
[20:23] <Dave2> UPFTUKLC is slightly less snappy than UUPC
[20:23] <Dave2> er, UPCFTUKLC
[20:23] <tonytiger> lol
[20:23] <Dave2> I guess it'd actually be UPCFTULC
[20:23] <Dave2> That's my final answer.
[20:26] <tonytiger> We're the top hit on google for Ubuntu Podcast now, which we weren't for years.
[20:26] <tonytiger> Even in a signed-out-of-google browser
[20:26] <bigcalm> Are there any other Ubuntu podcasts out there?
[20:26] <ahayzen> tonytiger, is it the 100th episode next week?
[20:28] <tonytiger> ahayzen: yup!
[20:28] <ahayzen> tonytiger, u still looking for suggestions? u said something on G+?
[20:28] <tonytiger> bigcalm: judging by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Podcasts only Full Circle
[20:29] <tonytiger> Launchpod and Burning Circle both seem dead
[20:29] <tonytiger> ahayzen: Sure!
[20:30] <ahayzen> tonytiger, I was thinking you could talk about what ubuntu was like at the 1st episode and wht it is like now and how it has changed over the past few years.
[20:31] <ali1234> bit negative?
[20:31] <ahayzen> I look back to 9.04 (my first Ubuntu version) and it is totally different now ... like unity, Gtk3, GNOME3 etc ... Ubuntu has come a long was just in 3yrs... and it keeps getting better :D
[20:31] <tonytiger> ali1234: heh
[20:31] <tonytiger> ahayzen: good idea
[20:32] <ali1234> when was the first episode?
[20:33] <Dave2> tonytiger, shame, I like both of the names.
[20:34] <Azelphur> o.O, I have 111.4GB used in my / partition (separate home) how on earth did this madness happen o.O
[20:34] <Azelphur> redundant accidental smilies :(
[20:34] <ali1234> probably a var explosion
[20:34] <ali1234> like you made a 100GB mysql database
[20:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: appears not, I'm running a baobab scan atm and it says /var is 1.5GB
[20:35] <ali1234> or you attempted to send a large amount of email
[20:35] <ahayzen> tonytiger, anyways congratulations on getting to 100 episodes, a lot of time must have gone into recording/preparing etc  :D
[20:35] <ali1234> or something is flooding the logs
[20:35] <Azelphur> nope, 1.5GB /var
[20:35] <ali1234> well it's /tmp then
[20:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: 102.4kB >.<
[20:36] <tonytiger> ahayzen: Thanks :D
[20:37] <tonytiger> ali1234: March 2008
[20:50] <soreau> Azelphur: du -hs /*
[20:50] <Azelphur> soreau: yea, I'm using baobab to find out what's going on now, it just takes a while to run :)
[20:50] <soreau> and keep following the high consumption paths until you find the data
[20:50] <soreau> Azelphur: du ftw
[20:51] <Azelphur> baobab pretty much is du, just in a fancy gui
[20:55] <diplo> evening all
[21:05] <bigcalm> Morning diplo
[21:05] <diplo> :)
[21:06] <diplo> Just finished packing car for camping trip
[21:06] <diplo> Hope I've not forgotten anything
[21:06] <diplo> just food/clothes for the morning
[21:07] <bigcalm> Kids?
[21:07] <diplo> Yep 2 :)
[21:08] <diplo> That's the scary bit :D
[21:08] <bigcalm> Don't forget them
[21:08] <diplo> No chance of that, they are close to exploding point they are so excited
[21:08] <diplo> Didn't think I'd get them to sleep
[21:35] <bigcalm> Evening popey
[21:36] <popey> pip pip
[21:36] <popey> not staying long
[21:36] <Azelphur> popey: you still use rsnapshot?
[21:37]  * bigcalm thinks that Claire is getting ready for bed and popey is making the most of the personal time ;P
[21:37] <bigcalm> And I still don't know how to spell her name, do I?
[21:38] <popey> hah
[21:38] <popey> Azelphur, yes
[21:38] <popey> bigcalm, not quite, got an urgent mail from work
[21:38] <Azelphur> popey: it stopped working for me, it moves the files but never runs rsync :(
[21:38] <bigcalm> Eugh
[21:39] <popey> Azelphur, checked the log?
[21:39] <Azelphur> yea checked everything, ran it in verbose, etc
[21:40] <Azelphur> it just shows it doing the rm and mv operations, and then not rsyncing anything.
[21:40] <popey> interesting
[21:40] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:40] <popey> wfm on 12.04
[21:40] <popey> checked it yesterday
[21:40] <Azelphur> any chance I could nab a copy of your config?
[21:40] <Azelphur> maybe if I start from your config, then I have a "known working" base as it were
[21:41] <popey> not easy to do right now
[21:41] <popey> am just off to bed, and on 3g
[21:41] <Azelphur> ok, maybe tomorrow :)
[21:41] <popey> unlikely, i'll be on a beach
[21:42] <Azelphur> what beach?
[21:42] <popey> saturday afternoon ping me
[21:42] <Azelphur> ok :)
[21:42] <popey> paignton
[21:42] <Azelphur> fun :)
[21:43] <popey> very
[21:43] <popey> nn
[21:46]  * bigcalm heads off to bed to read more Symfony2 documentation
[21:46] <bigcalm> Toodles
[21:53] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/suprengr/
[21:57] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/2012-08-09-225721_1235x485_scrot.png anyone have any idea how this is happening?
[21:58] <ali1234> you copied files to a disk that wasn't mounted, as root
[21:58] <Azelphur> eh?
[21:58] <ali1234> then mounted the disk, shadowing the files
[21:58] <Azelphur> I havn't messed with mount
[21:58] <ali1234> that is not necessary
[21:58] <mgdm> also, often filesystems reserve X percent of space for the root user
[21:59] <mgdm> *and*, df is horribly inaccurate
[21:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: ok say that happened, how would I fix it?
[22:00] <ali1234> manually unmount the partitions mounted in media and then look inside the mountpoints
[22:00] <ali1234> manually as in with umount
[22:00] <Azelphur> oh, I understand what your saying now
[22:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope, unmounted everything and all the folders are empty
[22:03] <Azelphur> maybe that issue is happening in /home?
[22:03] <ali1234> maybe
[22:04] <Azelphur> suppose I'll have to drop to a livecd to find that out
[22:11] <Azelphur> ali1234, http://i49.tinypic.com/2ni3db6.png hmm, guess ghosted files is out?
[22:12] <ali1234> yeah
[22:12] <ali1234> looks like file system corruption then
[22:12] <Azelphur> meep
[22:13] <Azelphur> run fsck.ext4?
[22:13] <ali1234> sure
[22:13] <ali1234> fsck -n
[22:14] <Azelphur> ali1234, sudo fsck -n /dev/sda1 says the drive is clean
[22:20] <shauno> have you tried "df /" and "df -i /"  ?  if you have a lot of small files, you can run out of blocks & inodes long before you actually run out of 'space'
[22:20]  * Laney has tandem lust: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DAWES-SUPER-GALAXY-TOURING-TANDEM-REYNOLDS-531-FRAME-/110930741474?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item19d3fcc8e2
[22:20] <Azelphur> shauno, trying that now
[22:21] <shauno> it's fairly rare under regular usage, but you don't always strike me as 'regular' ;)
[22:21] <Azelphur> yea, I'm weird
[22:21] <Azelphur> Inodes 7317520, Iused 616965, IFree 6700555
[22:21] <Azelphur> is that bad?
[22:22] <shauno> nope, that's plenty
[22:22] <Azelphur> plenty as in normal or plenty as in we've isolated the problem? XD
[22:22] <shauno> normal, sadly
[22:22] <Azelphur> gah
[22:23] <Azelphur> shauno, http://pastebin.com/appB97Pw
[22:28] <Azelphur> seems like we're out of ideas D:
[22:29] <shauno> that 0 blocks free is why things are reporting 100%.  (your inode count is fine though; or better than fine, that's a lot of large files, not a lot of small files)
[22:29] <shauno> and it does look like you have 5% or so reserved for root.  you can knock that off with tune2fs, but it's still not a whole lot of margin to play with
[22:31] <Azelphur> shauno, yea, but I actually have less than 10GB of data on this drive
[22:31] <Azelphur> and it's a 120GB drive
[22:31] <christel> meeeep
[22:31] <Azelphur> yea
[22:37] <Azelphur> YAY FOUND IT
[22:38] <Azelphur> rsnapshot created a backup of a bunch of stuff in /var/ and the files are owned by root so baobab couldn't even see them
[22:40] <Azelphur> there we go, 9.1GB used 97GB available, woo \o/
[22:48] <n1md4> Everything in 1 fs .... Ouch :P
[22:48] <n1md4> It's all about no swap, and lvm!
[22:49] <n1md4> (obv no lvm on /boot, that = headache!)
[22:58] <Azelphur> n1md4, I don't do that?
[22:59]  * Azelphur is also taking the opportunity to overclock more
[22:59] <n1md4> just that pastebin, only sda1
[22:59] <Azelphur> n1md4, was in a livecd so I could unmount things
[23:00] <Azelphur> in an attempt to figure out what was going on
[23:00] <n1md4> although a 2nd look .... right ;)  only just noticed!
[23:01] <Azelphur> trying to squeeze more out of my 3ghz i7
[23:01] <Azelphur> it's been running stable at 4.2
[23:03] <n1md4> I've an i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz ... I feel puny :P
[23:03] <n1md4> laptop though, and already runs warm!
[23:03] <n1md4> 72C apparently
[23:04] <n1md4> you oc from the bios?
[23:04] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:04] <Azelphur> n1md4, yep
[23:46] <Seeker`> only 4.2?  pfft
[23:49] <Azelphur> Seeker`, I know man, it won't let me go any further
[23:49] <Azelphur> it's being lame D:
[23:49] <Seeker`> :(
[23:51] <Azelphur> Seeker`, pushed the voltage all the way up to 1.45, as high as I'm willing to go lol
[23:51] <Seeker`> ouch
[23:51] <Seeker`> what sort of i7?
[23:51] <Azelphur> 950
[23:51] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[23:51] <Azelphur> oh wait here we go, it booted at 4.4 :O
[23:51]  * Azelphur begins stress testing
[23:52] <Azelphur> I have a feeling my CPU temp is gonna be a bit too high at this voltage
[23:52] <Azelphur> lol, and there's the crash
[23:52] <Azelphur> so yea, 4.2 is as far as this will go
[23:53]  * Seeker` has a 3930k @ 4.7GHz
[23:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:54] <Azelphur> it does 4.2 at only 1.325v though
[23:54] <Azelphur> so, can't knock that
[23:58] <Azelphur> Seeker`, hmm, I think my ram is rated for 1.5v and my bios only has it set at 1.43
[23:58] <Azelphur> "QPI/DRM Core Voltage: 1.43750" the bios says, and my ram is corsair vengeance ddr3 1600
[23:59] <Azelphur> says on the corsair site "tested voltage: 1.5v" in the specs


[11:03] <mup> PR operator#983 opened: add uri method for secret <Created by delgod> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/983>


[07:39] <RootChaos> o/
[07:40] <zeref> \o/
[15:18]  * nuvolari crawls home
[15:18] <nuvolari> retreat! retreat! we lost the battle
[15:28] <Banlam> bad day at work
[15:28] <Banlam> ?
[18:06] <Kilos> lo superfly and other
[18:06] <Kilos> all good here?
[18:06] <superfly> hi Kilos, alles goed hier
[18:07] <Kilos> mooi
[18:19] <Kilos> hi psydroid wb
[18:20] <Kilos> not good coming online so late , i miss neelsie
[18:21] <psydroid> ty Kilos
[18:37] <Kilos> have a good evening guys. see you tomorrow night
[18:37] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:21] <kbmonkey> helloo
[19:22] <Banlam> o/
[19:23] <kbmonkey> I got my graphics card in 11.04 up, with unity on.
[19:23] <kbmonkey> I'm undecided about it
[19:23] <kbmonkey> still loving Openbox too much XD
[19:23] <Banlam> you're unsure about unity?
[19:23] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:24] <Banlam> well while we're all being honest
[19:24] <Banlam> i haven't installed anythign since 10.04
[19:24] <Banlam> ...
[19:24] <Banlam> :/
[19:24] <kbmonkey> lol
[19:24] <Banlam> it works :)
[19:24] <kbmonkey> i'm kinda stuck in tiling WM's :p
[20:14] <nuvolari> Banlam: ya, bad past 2 weeks
[20:15]  * nuvolari longs for using xmonad again
[20:15] <nuvolari> *sigh*
[20:15] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ^^
[20:16] <nuvolari> but for now I'll stick with gnome shell
[20:16] <nuvolari> for some reason my boss started hating my CLI-usage all of a sudden
[20:17] <nuvolari> really urinating on my development passion
[20:17] <Tonberry>  that is rather unproductive
[20:20] <nuvolari> probably jealous of my vim skills, or just my CLI skills in general :P
[20:20] <nuvolari> not that it's great
[20:20] <nuvolari> I won't state the obvious *cough*
[20:28] <kbmonkey> awe that sounds terrible nuvolari :( discrimination!
[20:28] <kbmonkey> lol
[20:28] <kbmonkey> I got a job offer nuvolari, back in durbs
[20:28] <kbmonkey> mulling over it
[20:28] <kbmonkey> only catch: c#. ill have to back to windows dev. something I kinda never wanted to do again
[20:29] <kbmonkey> but in the end, I may take one for the foss team
[20:29] <kbmonkey> and lose my soul
[20:29] <kbmonkey> on the plus, my experience allows me to charge contract rates
[20:31] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: if you can get a reason to sell your soul to M$, go for it :P On the other hand, non-ms places can change their colours :-/
[20:31] <nuvolari> I'm starting to feel my tolorance wearing down
[20:31] <nuvolari> *tolerance ?
[20:32] <kbmonkey> i beared it for about 8 years. I have to think hard and quick about this ;P
[20:32] <kbmonkey> but kzn is notoriously bad for non-ms job offers...
[20:32] <kbmonkey> you are pretty lucky man!
[20:53] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: if you want to java, we'll have a spot :P
[20:53] <nuvolari> *to do
[20:53] <kbmonkey> I wouldn't mind Java :) I haven't done it in ages though! mobile apps?
[20:54] <nuvolari> unfortunately not :-/ JEE
[20:55] <nuvolari> Spring, JPA, EJB3.1
[20:55] <kbmonkey> the last time I did Java was in Redhat 6 *laughs*
[20:56] <nuvolari> sheesh, I believe things changed radically
[20:56] <kbmonkey> yes I'm sure the process has improved since then! ;)
[20:56] <kbmonkey> debuggin was a nightmare then, now Im confident its fine
[20:56] <nuvolari> the learning curve excludes a lot of XML config now :D
[20:57] <kbmonkey> looking at JEE info now... thanks!
[20:57] <nuvolari> cool
[20:57] <nuvolari> have a look at the JEE 6 tutorial
[20:58] <kbmonkey> will do :D
[20:58] <nuvolari> ok, I'm off
[20:58] <kbmonkey> sleep well!
[20:59] <nuvolari> thanks! you too :>\
[20:59] <nuvolari> * :>
[20:59] <superfly> I made my KDE look like Unity this evening... http://imgur.com/8xSHQ
[21:00] <kbmonkey> nice superfly!
[21:00] <superfly> *shrug* took all of 2 minutes to do
[21:00] <nuvolari> superfly: you're wasting too much precious pixels :P
[21:00] <kbmonkey> KDE4?
[21:00] <superfly> nuvolari: I have plenty width
[21:01] <superfly> kbmonkey: yup
[21:01] <nuvolari> superfly: looks cool though :D
[21:02] <nuvolari> ok, I'm off for real now
[21:02] <kbmonkey> go before you get stuck, quick!
[21:06] <kbmonkey> my current Openbox setup --> http://ompldr.org/vZGV3ZQ
[21:08] <superfly> I like my pretty too much
[21:13] <kbmonkey> it sure is pretty
[21:13] <kbmonkey> i am a keyboard monkey after all ;P


[04:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-qt- Unapproved: qtwebkit-opensource-src (focal-proposed/universe) [5.212.0~alpha4-1 => 5.212.0~alpha4-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu, qt5)
 I hope it will be there very soon though


 I deliberately didnt ban...
[08:22] <IdleOne> want me to remove it?
[08:23] <jussi> no, leave it for now, but if you remove someone and they dont come back, then usually they are just a one time troll.
[08:23] <IdleOne> potentially destructive command, I figured it was a banable offence
[08:23] <jussi> Bans should be a last resort.
[08:26] <IdleOne> few days ago we had 3 separate "users" having fun using that command as a quit message
[08:41] <ikonia> keep an eye on oly562 in #ubuntu, he's being helpful now but can be a real issue
[09:25] <jussi> !wfm
[09:26] <jussi> hrm
[09:26] <jussi> IM not such a fan of getting rid of the "The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability."
[09:28] <topyli> i like getting rid of parens in the beginning, more readable
[09:28] <topyli> the new version is more general and applies to more cases including bleeding edge versions
[09:39] <topyli> time to quiet the aforementioned oly562?
[09:39] <topyli> no response on pm
[09:51] <ikonia> topyli: be ready for abuse when it comes
[09:51] <ikonia> don't you k now who he is.........
[09:51] <topyli> nope, wasn't interested

[09:53] <topyli> anyway, just saying. seems like he got bored, is quiet now. i'm not an #ubuntu op anyway :)
[10:27] <Jordan_U> Aemaeth has specifically stated that he's trying to start a flamewar.
[10:29] <topyli> Jordan_U: he won't though :)
[10:30] <Jordan_U> Ahh, should have noticed you were already on top of it. Thanks.
[12:19] <switchgirl> mr-ali - user in #ubuntu called me a bitch
[12:19] <switchgirl> and a puto
[12:19] <switchgirl> in pvt - he pvt's without asking
[12:23] <bazhang> switchgirl, tried /ignore ? you can also set /mode +R
[12:23] <switchgirl> rofl what, on empathy?
[12:24] <bazhang> also /mode +g (though that will block *all* pm)
[12:25] <jpds> switchgirl: With individual issues; it's best to just ignore them.
[12:25] <switchgirl> wont work bazhang
[12:28] <bazhang> switchgirl, he's not disrupting the channel that I've seen. best to /ignore and set more restrictive mode at this point
[12:28] <switchgirl> mmk
[12:29] <switchgirl> om empathy none of what you suggested works **at all**
[12:29] <switchgirl> i know you're trying to help
[12:29] <bazhang> wonder if there is any empathy channel
[12:29] <switchgirl> thank you for that
[12:29] <bazhang> never tried it as irc client though. xchat and irssi certainly have it
[12:30] <switchgirl> i just thought i'd share as empathy is the default irc and im client now
[12:30] <bazhang> which is why I install something else :)
[12:31] <jpds> XChat seems to work best (unless you're in irssi).
[12:31] <bazhang> hehe
[12:35] <topyli> nobody listens when i say xchat-gnome should be on the disk as long as we have no proper telepathic irc client :(
[12:35] <topyli> on the cd even
[12:36] <topyli> but no, we install gnome-games instead
[12:37] <switchgirl> bazhang: umm how to report an issue with a programme - qbittorrent took me to a child p0rn site when i clicked buy on a torrent
[12:37] <switchgirl> the torrent was a legal one
[12:37] <switchgirl> not porn
[12:37] <switchgirl> i feel phisically ill
[12:38] <jussi> switchgirl: report a bug
[12:39] <jussi> switchgirl: and harrassment by pm there is little we can do, but you are more than welcome to ask for a staffer in #freenode.
[12:39] <jussi> empathy is severely lacking as an irc client...
[12:41] <topyli> no kidding
[12:50] <switchgirl> it also lacks ignore and blocking on ALL protocals
[12:53] <MichealH> Is someone keeping a eye on #ubuntu
[12:53] <jrib> MichealH: I'm there now
[12:53] <jussi> MichealH: yes, we are :)
[12:53] <MichealH> Thats good!
[12:54] <MichealH> You get the ops call?
[12:54]  * jrib nods
[12:54] <MichealH> Just wanted to know
[12:54] <MichealH> See ya
[13:00] <jrib> anyone else getting spammed my morpheus-3000?
[13:03] <niko> jrib: which kind of spam ?
[13:03] <jussi> niko: did you notice switchgirl's complaint earlier?
[13:04] <jrib> Hello, there. I am offering you a chance to awaken from your Matrix. But you must take the red pill. To get the red pill, you must join #Morph3000. If you don't wish to join, then just take the blue pill and in a few days you'll forget I even existed. But remember.... I'm offering you the truth... nothing else.
[13:04] <jrib> niko:
[13:04] <jrib> I took blue
[13:05] <niko> thank you jrib, jussi ok
[13:15] <gnomefreak> euqr
[13:15] <gnomefreak> [0j
[13:28] <elky> Hello gnomefreak's kitty?
[13:37] <bazhang>  [omgz0r] (~nazir_ali@unaffiliated/sky-1/x-6937507): purple  known troll
[14:22] <Mamarok> !idle | switchgirl
[14:23] <Mamarok> that was fast
[14:28] <bazhang> zzzed, hi
[14:59] <Pici> zzzed: Is there something that we can help you with today?
[15:05] <Pici> zzzed: If there isn't, I'd like to call your attention to the channel topic, particularly the part regarding idling.
 Hosanna bruderz ban evading again
[15:14] <ikonia> moron
[15:15] <Pici> actually issued.
[17:19] <MichealH> Grammar mistake in my request
[17:20] <MichealH> I had put "Neither is 'K' or 'kk' when I mean 'Neither 'K'
[17:20] <MichealH> If that makes sense
[17:21] <knome> neither/nor -> two negatives in a sentence?
[17:21] <MichealH> knome: !u has the same
[17:21] <MichealH> !u
[17:21] <charlie-tca> yes, correct
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Neither/nor and either/or
[17:22] <knome> right. but why create a new factoid? just link it to !u
[17:22] <knome> and create a common one
[17:22] <charlie-tca> I can agree with that, too
[17:22] <MichealH> knome: !r ect. has its own
[17:22] <MichealH> !r
[17:22] <MichealH> Argh!
[17:22] <MichealH> There is one
[17:23] <charlie-tca> There is a way to point each one at the same factoid
[17:23] <knome> it doesn't mean things are perfect even if we did have them like this
[17:24] <MichealH> I could send a edit request for !u to add K then get K to link to "u"
[17:24] <knome> yes. :)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Great idea!
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it is more work to get it done, but makes it easier in the long run
[17:26] <MichealH> !no u is <reply> U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'K', 'KK', 'l8', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information.
[17:27] <MichealH> !k is <alias> u
[17:27] <MichealH> That okay?
[17:27] <knome> MichealH, the first sentence probably needs to be fixed
[17:28] <knome> i don't know, but probably
[17:28] <MichealH> I mean !4 !ur redirct to !u
[17:28] <knome> okay
[17:28] <knome> then that's probably okay
[17:28] <MichealH> So should 'R' 'Y'
[17:28] <MichealH> Those should link
[17:29] <knome> do they exist?
[17:29]  * MichealH would of done it but does not have access :(
[17:29] <MichealH> knome: Dont think so
[17:29] <knome> then let's not create them
[17:30] <knome> less is more
[17:30] <MichealH> Can I request permission?
[17:30] <MichealH> Or is it only for Ops?
[17:30] <ikonia> it's only on the authorized list
[17:30] <MichealH> Okay
[17:30] <MichealH> ikonia: What do you think of this decision?
[17:31] <ikonia> I don't think we need another factoid
[17:31] <MichealH> okay
[17:31] <MichealH> Its just it gets annoying in #u so I requested
[17:32] <ikonia> I rarley see it in #ubuntu
[17:33] <MichealH> It happens alot IMO
[17:33] <MichealH> It happpened roughly 5 mins before I submitted
[17:33] <MichealH> And I saw more xamples todya
[17:33] <MichealH> *examples today
[17:34] <ikonia> it does happen, but on rare occasions, and it's fine to just ask them
[17:34] <MichealH> Or point them to U
[17:34] <MichealH> With that addition
[17:34] <ikonia> no
[17:35] <MichealH> Okay
[17:36] <MichealH> So something like "Its hard for people who dont know English well to see 'k'. Please try to avoid it"
[17:36] <MichealH> I dunno
[17:36] <MichealH> That didnt make sense
[17:36] <ikonia> how about nothing
[17:36] <ikonia> just ask them if you see them doing it
[17:36] <MichealH> Okay
[17:36] <ikonia> if it becomes a problem, we can look at it, but it's not really something that comes up often
[17:36] <MichealH> Okay
[17:36] <MichealH> Thanks
[17:56] <Nece228> hi funkyHat
[17:56] <funkyHat> Hi Nece228
[17:56] <Nece228> hows going
[17:56] <Nece228> im here to be unbanned
[17:56] <funkyHat> Not bad thanks, sorry I've missed you the past few days when you came in here
[17:57] <Nece228> no problem
[17:57] <Nece228> we cant be online 24/7 ;)
[17:57] <funkyHat> Nece228: have you read the guidelines and the Ubuntu Code of Conduct?
[17:57] <funkyHat> !guidelines
[17:57] <funkyHat> !coc
[17:58] <Nece228> yes i had
[17:58] <Nece228> but i will read them again now
[18:02] <Nece228> ok i have readed them now
[18:03] <funkyHat> Nece228: ok. Now, do you understand the reasons why you were banned?
[18:04] <Nece228> of course
[18:04] <Nece228> i voided irc guideline
[18:05] <funkyHat> Could you tell me which part of the guidelines?
[18:05] <Nece228> the line which says "Don't be annoying"
[18:05] <funkyHat> Ok
[18:07] <Nece228> so can i be unbanned?
[18:07] <funkyHat> Nece228: If I remove your ban, do you agree not to continue the kind of discussions and comments that got you banned?
[18:07] <Nece228> yes i do
[18:07] <funkyHat> Ok
[18:10] <funkyHat> Nece228: your ban is removed. If you try to start any conversations like the ones that got you banned before expect to be banned again very quickly, and don't expect your ban to be removed.
[18:10] <Nece228> ok thank you
[18:10] <funkyHat> Nece228: thanks :). And if that is all, please /part this channel, we have a no idling policy.
[18:17] <Nece228> ok bye
[18:17] <Nece228> thanks again
[18:48] <jpds> wut.
[18:49] <maco> can i set the channel +R?
[18:49] <jpds> [Freenode] [!] Unknown mode character R
[18:50] <maco> erk?
[18:50] <IdleOne> +r
[18:50] <IdleOne> not R
[18:50] <maco> there's supposed to be both +R and +r
[18:50] <maco> one bans unregged users from speaking, the other from joining
[18:52] <maco> nhandler: you got a clone
[18:53] <Pici> maco: +R no longer exists with ircd-seven
[18:53] <maco> oh. -_- why do they get rid of features?
[18:53] <Pici> maco: Its now +q $~a
[18:54] <maco> oh like im going to remember that syntax
[18:54] <Pici> !modes
[18:54]  * maco grumbles
[18:56] <maco> im not calm? this is news to me. im sitting in class quietly
[18:57] <niko> maco, in case of http://adipose.attenuate.org/~stephen/ircd-seven/seven-for-hyperion-users.html
[19:02] <jpds> maco: You have to pack your bags if you're going to Kazakhstan.
[19:03] <maco> heh
[19:03] <maco> im a bit more interested in countries where i speak the language
[19:27] <mneptok> maco: that's a lie. i saw you in Texas last November.
[19:28] <Pici> howdy y'all
[19:29] <mneptok> Pici: do you know the plural of "y'all?"
[19:29] <Pici> mneptok: y'alls
[19:29] <mneptok> no sah
[19:29] <mneptok> all y'all
[20:12] <gnomefreak> sorry about the gibberish typing this monring. i feel asleep at the pc and had eyes closed when trying to typw /quit
[20:21] <Pici> suuure
[20:23] <maco> mneptok: i regularly say howdy!
[20:23] <maco> a better way of pointing this out wouldve been to note that ive been to france and germany
[20:25] <gnomefreak> :)
[20:57] <gnomefreak> i potty trained my little girl easier than to train users to type /t or /topic
[21:03] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I know
[21:04]  * gnomefreak wonders if we should post a comment on entering channel that gives the info than waits for them to hit enter to join :)
[21:04] <gnomefreak> i know we cant
[21:06] <charlie-tca> It only gets worse, too, now
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Too bad we can't give out a date that is 24 hours late
[21:08] <gnomefreak> well we still are able to tell them that it is a different time zone that is 24 later than any other one
[21:08] <gnomefreak> im ok with one or 2 even 3 people but the whole channel is too much chatter IMHO
[21:09] <gnomefreak> ban forward to -release-party  ;)
[21:09] <gnomefreak> ok so im the evil op
[21:10] <charlie-tca> someone needs to be
[21:11] <gnomefreak> well it seems its bazhang's shift so he can be
[21:12] <charlie-tca> He is not as good at it ;-)
[21:12]  * gnomefreak should hold classes :)
[21:12] <charlie-tca> yes! I will attend, too
[21:13] <gnomefreak> +1 has quieted down finally
[21:14]  * gnomefreak needs to attend classes for screen and mutt but not tonight. tonight is for fun
[21:15] <Fendaril>  any chance in the near future I will be unbanned from #u?
[21:16] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[21:17] <Fendaril> ???
[21:17] <gnomefreak> Fendaril: you need to wait for IdleOne. you were banned for evading the original ban
[21:18] <Fendaril> kk
[21:19] <gnomefreak> Fendaril: you may want to check back here in ~24hours. he isnt around at this time and i dont recall when i see him
[21:19] <IdleOne> I am here
[21:20] <IdleOne> Fendaril: Do you know why I banned you in the first place?
[21:20] <Fendaril> IdleOne: Yeah for the ops spamming
[21:20] <Fendaril> IdleOne: then for ban evading
[21:20] <Fendaril> IdleOne: is it perm or timed
[21:20] <IdleOne> every ban is perm until resolution
[21:20] <Fendaril> ok
[21:20] <Fendaril> So any way we can resolve this?
[21:21] <IdleOne> How do I know you won't abuse the !ops trigger again?
[21:21] <gnomefreak> thanks IdleOne
[21:21] <IdleOne> !guidelines > Fendaril
[21:21] <IdleOne> !coc > Fendaril
[21:22] <IdleOne> Please read the links ubottu just sent you
[21:23] <Fendaril> IdleOne: well you have to think that I already ban evaded and If I really still wanted to abuse "!ops" I would have done it in offtopic and bypassed and done it again. It won't happen again, but the decision lies with you. I read both those links the night after you sent them to me
[21:24] <Fendaril> IdleOne: but I didnt sign the CoC
[21:24] <Fendaril> IdleOne: goona sign it now
[21:24] <IdleOne> Fendaril: ok, I will remove the ban. Please try to be helpful and make sure you follow the channel guidelines. Remember that #ubuntu is not #ubuntu-offtopic.
[21:25] <mneptok> you don't have to sign it to be bound by it when using official Ubuntu IRC channels
[21:25] <IdleOne> Fendaril: signing the code of conduct is your decision.
[21:25] <Fendaril> mneptok: No I just thought it would be polite and let IdleOne I am not trying to get back on to be abusive
[21:25] <IdleOne> but like mneptok said you are expected to follow the CoC when in Ubuntu forums of any kind
[21:25] <Fendaril> ok
[21:26] <mneptok> Fendaril: i never signed any document that says, "I won't break into Fendaril's house and steal his stereo," but somehow i think the justice system wouldn't really care about that lack of signature. ;)
[21:26] <jrib> IdleOne: "mailto"?
[21:26] <IdleOne> Fendaril: Please try joining #ubuntu to make sure the ban is liftederrr
[21:27] <IdleOne> thanks for catching that jrib
[21:27] <jrib> no problem
[21:27] <IdleOne> stupid client adds mailto for some reason when I ctrl-c
[21:28] <IdleOne> Fendaril: Please try joining #ubuntu to make sure the ban is lifted and then part this channel.
[21:31] <Fendaril> IdleOne: I am still banned
[21:32] <Fendaril> IdleOne: was their a range you banned so i couldnt evade?
[21:33] <mneptok> all 5 boroughs, except Roosevelt Island. :)
[21:33] <IdleOne> try again please
[21:33] <gnomefreak> that did it
[21:43] <gnomefreak> +r anyone?
[21:43] <gnomefreak> thanks tomaw
[21:43] <jpds> bazhang_: http://www.techeye.net/business/data-protection-act-will-give-way-to-taiwans-age-of-online-liability - troll tax?
[21:44] <tomaw> this "don't comment on the spam" crap is a sad thing that leaked from #freenode
[21:44] <IdleOne> yup
[21:47] <tomaw> I asked Sary and MichealH to not do so in the future
[21:49] <gnomefreak> what is it?
[21:50] <gnomefreak> i will go to malware sites but i wont join a random channel
[21:50] <tomaw> #freenode decided that it'd be good to ask people not to constantly talk about the spam (and this is good) but it created a group of people that go from channel to channel that's being spammed demanding that others don't comment on it
[21:51] <tomaw> ##comment-on-spam is fine and safe and you're welcome to join, I just dislike the people following the spam around soley to point people there.
[21:53] <gnomefreak> spam happen so fast there should be no need to comment on it at all
[22:55] <jrib> we're aware #ubuntu is +r?
[22:56] <tomaw> probably can be undone now
[22:56] <tomaw> I overruled the floodbots for a bit
[22:56] <tomaw> Pici: around?
[22:58] <tomaw> I removed the r
[22:59] <jrib> and right on time tomaw ...
[23:00] <jrib> put it back
[23:00] <tomaw> they watch channels and spam whem modes let them
[23:00] <jrib> hmm
[23:47] <jrib> let's try again!
[23:47] <jrib> (-r)
[23:49] <jrib> although how registration stops these people, I am not sure
[23:50] <jpds> jrib: ...
[23:50] <jrib> jpds: wow
[23:50] <jrib> sjm: can we help you?
[23:52] <jrib> !idle | sjm
[23:57] <jrib> Bryanstein, Guest42197, ubuntulo1: can we help you?
[23:57] <jrib> fear not, I know who ubuntulo1 is now
[23:58] <jpds> Should really be called ubuntulol.