[05:30] <Kamping_in_doze> so it wont touch them
[05:30] <jamesio> it just takes forever on a lot of data
[05:31] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[05:31] <Kamping_in_doze> and its rediculously cpu intencive. damb x86 architecture
[05:32] <jamesio> that's why my main machine is a dual amd.   Well i am updating my system to breeze now :)
[05:34] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[05:34] <tbasten> so how much it stuffs my system up
[05:35] <tbasten> so = see
[05:35] <hypa7ia> wasn't sarge frozen in the fall too?
[05:36] <dna`> any idea if there is a driver for mouse: logitech mx 500?
[05:37] <Funraiser> i want to install linux on my mum's desktop but I can't ask her to switch to gnucash..someone knows if MS money works with crossover?
[05:37] <tbasten> emulate
[05:37] <usynic> anyone use mplayer-plugin?
[05:37] <usynic> Funraiser: I'm sure it does
[05:37] <Kamping_in_doze> night ppl
[05:38] <admx> Thanks alot for the info on backports. It was very helpful. Goes to show you learn something new every day. Thanks Again...
[05:38] <Kamping_in_doze> my PQ sesion done for tonight
[05:38] <tbasten> admx, what you learn?
[05:38] <elcu> Funraiser: look up PQ in wtf for me. :-)
[05:38] <tbasten> dataw0lf, lol
[05:38] <usynic> Funraiser: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=money&company=&medal=&date_start%5B1%5D=1&date_start%5B2%5D=1&date_start%5B0%5D=2000&date_start%5B3%5D=23&date_start%5B4%5D=59&date_end%5B1%5D=5&date_end%5B2%5D=9&date_end%5B0%5D=2005&date_end%5B3%5D=23&date_end%5B4%5D=59&search=app
[05:38] <tbasten> dataw0lf|w, lol
[05:38] <usynic> holy url batman
[05:38] <admx> About what backports are...
[05:39] <tbasten> yeah
[05:39] <chidalgo21> Hola a todos
[05:39] <admx> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:39] <chidalgo21> alguien que hable espaol ??
[05:39] <resiak> #ubuntu-es
[05:39] <dataw0lf|w> I swear, my eyes are about to start bleeding from this refresh rate, hehe.
[05:39] <kent> should seahorse create its own submenu under Program  in Gnome?  I installed it with synaptic in Hoary and it turned up in "others" (translated from the swedish word "Annat", since I use that language).  It seems strange for it to create its own submenu..
[05:39] <Funraiser> usynic, too bad
[05:40] <chidalgo21> thanks redtech
[05:40] <Funraiser> elcu, Gee...  I don't know what PQ means...
[05:40] <Funraiser> wtf speaking
[05:41] <veruus> dataw0lf: wear some sunglasses
[05:42] <grinthock> hypa7ia:  Can I run VMWare on Ubuntu?
[05:42] <hypa7ia> damn you grinthock
[05:42] <hypa7ia> :-p
[05:43] <tbasten> anyone runny
[05:43] <tbasten> running breezy*
[05:44] <admx> Yes you can run VMWare
[05:44] <admx> I do at home
[05:45] <tbasten> is it any good?
[05:45] <admx> Make sure you install linux-headers
[05:45] <metalsand> can someone please say metalsand
[05:46] <tbasten> metalsand,
[05:46] <metalsand> ty
[05:46] <tbasten> np
[05:47] <tbasten> Bahaha. the topic of this room says not to use breezy :(
[05:47] <veruus> channel
[05:47] <veruus> :)
[05:47] <tbasten> yeah
[05:47] <metalsand> IS there any themeing stuff in the reposotries?
[05:47] <tritium> tbasten, I wouldn't advise it quite yet
[05:48] <tbasten> if i install breezy. can i revert back to hoary
[05:48] <elcu> are there mirrors for the repositories?
[05:48] <elcu> *aus
[05:48] <tritium> metalsand, not sure what you mean, but apt-cache search for it
[05:48] <Amaranth> tbasten: Not easily.
[05:48] <Amaranth> tbasten: The easiest way to downgrade would be a complete reinstall.
[05:48] <metalsand> tritium: stuff from art.gnome.com , login managers, splash screens, desktop themes
[05:48] <thoreauputic> metalsand: sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-extras
[05:48] <Amaranth> metalsand: gnome-art is in breezy
[05:48] <metalsand> art.gnome.ort*
[05:49] <metalsand> Cool :)
[05:49] <Amaranth> metalsand: it's a ruby/gtk frontend for browsing, downloading, and installing things from art.gnome.org
[05:50] <larsrohdin> how i can bind the "special keys" on my keyboard to different functions? im using a logitech ultra x Flat...
[05:50] <metalsand> Is anyone peticularly familar with Wireless NICs/Prism 2.5 chipset cards and how they function? I've been trying to get mine configured for days
[05:50] <elcu> larsrohdin: if you're using gnome, there's a keyboard shortcuts entry in the system menu
[05:51] <veruus> metalsand: integrated wireless?
[05:52] <elcu> lamont: no guarantee they'll all work though, but IIRC there was a post in ubuntuforums.org about getting k/board keys to work.
[05:52] <Amaranth> heh, you can make the system lock the screen and not let you do anything with the computer for a set ammount of time
[05:52] <Amaranth> to force you to take a break
[05:53] <tbasten> breezy will work though wont it?
[05:53] <elcu> whoops, my last post was meant for larsrohdin .
[05:54] <Amaranth> tbasten: sometimes
[05:54] <tbasten> ?
[05:54] <tbasten> should i stop downloading of it?
[05:54] <metalsand> thoreauputic: After I install how do the extras function? Where do I go to change things?
[05:54] <fsapo> hi.. i m with a problem in kaffeine.. it is running fine but when i close it, it stays running on background and using 100% of my cpu, what could be the problem? sorry for asking here.. but in the #kubuntu channel nobody was awake :(
[05:55] <tbasten> Amaranth, should i cancle download?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> metalsand: look at your themes dialogue and you should have several new themes there
[05:55] <Amaranth> tbasten: Do you know what pinning is?
[05:55] <tbasten> nah
[05:55] <Amaranth> tbasten: I'd cancel the download.
[05:55] <tbasten> done
[05:55] <metalsand> Amaranth, you have your own theme? :P
[05:56] <elcu> metalsand: specifically, you'll want to click on "theme details".
[05:56] <Amaranth> metalsand: I didn't write it and I hate it.
[05:56] <metalsand> llol
[05:56] <thoreauputic> metalsand: don't forgat to look at the "details" (windows, icons) as well :)
[05:56] <tbasten> Amaranth, should i change sources.conf back to hoary there dist-upgrade
[05:56] <Amaranth> o_O
[05:56] <Amaranth> tbasten: You were dist-upgrading to breezy?
[05:57] <tbasten> yeah
[05:57] <Amaranth> tbasten: Yes, change them back to hoary and update.
[05:57] <tbasten> k
[06:00] <pshend> anyone know whats causing these errors from apt-get? : http://pastebin.ca/11309
[06:01] <tbasten> Amaranth, before i updated libc6 to a different version but now i dont want it on there. I want the old version on there
[06:01] <JairunCaloth> Why dosn't xchat remember my nick when I start it?
[06:01] <Amaranth> tbasten: This is why I told you not to use breezy.
[06:02] <metalsand> Wow
[06:02] <metalsand> This is REALLY customizable.
[06:02] <metalsand> What about splash screens/start menus?
[06:02] <Gog> this is probably an faq, but I can't find an uptodate answer ... what's the recommended firewall for ubuntu/debian? (I'm used to freebsd with ipf/ipfw, openbsd with pf ... but never tried ipchains/iptable/etc)
[06:02] <tbasten> Amaranth, what i want to know is i want to remove (by force) libc6 and install the old version
[06:02] <thoreauputic> pshend: looks at a glance like you need to do apt-get build-dep for the package
[06:02] <elcu> JairunCaloth: did you play around with xchat -> server list?
[06:02] <Amaranth> tbasten: I don't know.
[06:02] <pshend> thoreauputic, ta, i'll check that
[06:02] <thoreauputic> pshend: you are missing dependencies, in other words
[06:03] <tbasten> How long until breezy will me usable?
[06:03] <superSizeME> je voudrais all sur Channel  ubutun-fr   MERCI!!
[06:04] <tbasten> be*
[06:04] <clausme> xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <clausme> E: Broken packages
[06:04] <clausme> how to fix this
[06:04] <tritium> pshend, look at the manpage for apt-get.  There's a "build-dep" option
[06:04] <elcu> Gog: http://ubuntuguide.org/#firestarter perhaps? (elcu is not an expert)
[06:04] <pshend> i've done apt-get build-dep python2.3, and it's downloading a load of deps
[06:04] <pshend> hopefully that'll fix it
[06:04] <Amaranth> tbasten: 5 months
[06:05] <tritium> Have a good day, all.  I'm setting myself away.
[06:05] <thoreauputic> superSizeME:  /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:05] <Gog> eclu: thanks (it's trying to decide which of the hundreds to use :)
[06:05] <superSizeME> thoreauputic  MERCI
[06:06] <thoreauputic> superSizeME: pas de quoi :)
[06:06] <clausme> xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed
[06:06] <clausme> E: Broken packages
[06:06] <clausme> how to fix this
[06:06] <tbasten> download totem-xine
[06:06] <metalsand> is there anyway for toolbars to be compeltely hidden?
[06:07] <metalsand> So the top isn't sticking out?
[06:07] <dr_willis> hmm what toolbars?
[06:07] <metalsand> panels*
[06:07] <thoreauputic> clausme: do you have universe and multiverse enabled? And have you done an update/reload?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> metalsand: I think gnome in their wisdom decreed that complete hiding was a Bad Thing (tm) </sarcasm>
[06:08] <metalsand> I don't get it. -.-
[06:08] <thoreauputic> metalsand: I've tried without success myself
[06:09] <metalsand> lol.
[06:09] <metalsand> thoreauputic: is there any support for splash screens/logins?
[06:09] <metalsand> Or could I manually do that :x
[06:09] <thoreauputic> metalsand: you can *almost* hide completely by using the buttond at the ends of the panels
[06:10] <thoreauputic> metalsand: yes, google for gTweakUI and gsplashfu
[06:10] <metalsand> they in repostries?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> I think that's right
[06:10] <thoreauputic> metalsand: not as far as I know
[06:10] <metalsand> Bah.
[06:10] <metalsand> Compiling sucks :P
[06:10] <littlepaul> i have a question regarding webspace on ubuntuforums. the rootserver of our german forum crashed for 30 minutes
[06:10] <thoreauputic> metalsand: on art.gnome.org I think
[06:11] <thoreauputic> or gnome look.org or something
[06:11] <cappe> gpg: can't get key from keyserver: Connection refused - that's what I get when I run the ubuntusetup.sh .. what can I do about this?
[06:12] <cappe> more info sais backports.ubuntuforums.org 500 internal server error - still.. =/
[06:12] <synd> whats the deal with the backports
[06:12] <synd> ?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> metalsand: actually apt-cache search finds gtweakui
[06:12] <Seveas> backports suck, that's the deal :)
[06:13] <synd> well yes
[06:13] <cappe> are there any other servers I could use instead of backports maybe?
[06:13] <metalsand> Is there anyway to get the beif description using apt- commands?
[06:13] <jiyuu0> cappe, what r u lookin for?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> metalsand: aha - *and* gsplashfu as well!
[06:13] <jiyuu0> in backports
[06:13] <metalsand> <3
[06:13] <Seveas> metalsand, if you mean brief description: apt-cache show packagename
[06:14] <metalsand> awesome, Sev
[06:14] <thoreauputic> metalsand: so you can apt-get both :D
[06:14] <ChristOff> hello, is there somebody that can help me to make my firewire connection work with dhcp?
[06:14] <metalsand> Oh, btw, Seveas... I still haven't gotten my card to work ;)
[06:14] <Seveas> tough little rotten card it is :)
[06:14] <synd> metalsand: wireless card?
[06:14] <metalsand> Yes.
[06:14] <Seveas> synd, don't try it, he's already spent hours on it
[06:15] <Seveas> ;)
[06:15] <synd> haha
[06:15] <metalsand> Hours is an understatement, I've probably spent about 15.
[06:15] <synd> well what brand/model is it so i dont buy it
[06:15] <metalsand> If not more.
[06:15] <metalsand> Senao SL 2511 PLUS Ext. 2
[06:15] <Seveas> metalsand, i saw in the kernel changelog that the prism drivers are updated in breezy ;)
[06:15] <synd> 802.11g?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> metalsand: in order, do first `apt-cache search <keyword> ` then to look at the package description do `apt-cache show <packagename>
[06:15] <metalsand> Cool, thanks thoreauputic.
[06:16] <thoreauputic> metalsand: no problem :)
[06:16] <drfanatic> hello!
[06:16] <cappe> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646 that is what i am searching for. this script will download some stuff that I would wanna have.. java and so on..
[06:16] <metalsand> How to I move files around in term?
[06:16] <Seveas> argh stupid script...
[06:16] <Seveas> metalsand: mv
[06:16] <metalsand> right.
[06:16] <Seveas> mv source dest
[06:17] <synd> damn, anyone use colloquy on mac?
[06:17] <synd> i really like this
[06:18] <ChristOff> this box internet connection comes over firewire from a shared xp connection (this one is using the real ethernet connection to the cable modem)
[06:18] <thoreauputic> metalsand: have a look at http://www.tuxfiles.org/  << good stuff on commandline basics
[06:18] <metalsand> Bookmarked
[06:18] <jiyuu0> cappe, get the Add-ON CD if u have prob with repositories
[06:18] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[06:18] <metalsand> But, for now I gotta' run to school.
[06:18] <jiyuu0> should have most of the things u need
[06:19] <willis> how often do the ubuntu servers build things in the source packages, and transfer them to the binary pool?
[06:19] <BoD_SWAT> When I boot Ubuntu, it "stops" a long time @ Configuring network interfaces. How can I disable it to let it go faster? I have static IPs so in fact it is already configured.
[06:19] <willis> beagle is listed in breezy-universe-sources, but it's not yet availible as a binary
[06:19] <willis> BoD_SWAT, check /etc/network/interfaces
[06:20] <willis> BoD_SWAT, or just press Ctrl-C when it's configuring
[06:20] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: sounds like something is wrong in the file willis mentions
[06:20] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: I have static IPs too, and that doesn't happen here
[06:20] <elcu> BoD_SWAT: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuringnetwoktooslow
[06:21] <BoD_SWAT> OK, I will take a look at it. Ubuntu is out-of-the-box. So I prolly need to disable the script and code it new :)
[06:21] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: man interfaces is worth a look, if you can stand man pages ;-)
[06:21] <thotypous> hi
[06:22] <ubuntu> any french ?
[06:22] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: also take a look at your /etc/hosts file and make sure you have entries for each box on your LAN as necessary
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Ubuntico: /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:22] <thoreauputic> oops
[06:22] <metalsand> thoreauputic: gsplashfu isn't showing up in repos
[06:22] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: ^^^
[06:23] <thoreauputic> metalsand: are you on hoary? Do you have all repos enabled?
[06:23] <metalsand> Yes
[06:23] <metalsand> , and yes.
[06:23] <difeta> hey all! I cannot play anything in rhythmbox, but i can play music in xmms.  Upon boot, alsa fails.. any ideas?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> metalsand: something is wrong then
[06:23] <metalsand> Just erroed saying tep failure resolving to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <thoreauputic> metalsand: unless this is ppc or amd64?
[06:24] <metalsand> Nope.
[06:24] <thoreauputic> metalsand: ah - that's a server issue
[06:24] <metalsand> Looks like the repos crashed
[06:24] <thoreauputic> metalsand: yes, wait a while
[06:24] <metalsand> I'll try again when I get home, adios
[06:24] <Gad1> anyone using an LDAP directory in evo 2.2 successfully?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> difeta: have you tried running ` sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart `  ?
[06:26] <rj_> anyone here using tomcat and the libapache2-mod-jk package?
[06:26] <elcu> are there mirrors for the repositories?
[06:26] <difeta> thoreauputic, yes, and I get the following error:
[06:26] <thoreauputic> elcu: just prepend au. to the archive url
[06:26] <difeta> thoreauputic, yes, and I get the following error: arning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'
[06:26] <clausme> problem with 5.1 system
[06:26] <clausme> how do i fix it
[06:27] <clausme> i can hear 5.1
[06:27] <thoreauputic> difeta: new install?
[06:27] <difeta> thoreauputic, yep, everything was fine before i reinstalled
[06:27] <clausme> hello how do i fix de 5.1 problem
[06:27] <thoreauputic> difeta: at first glance it looks like your card wasn't recognised
[06:28] <clausme> i can hear 2.1
[06:28] <clausme> but no 5.1
[06:28] <difeta> thoreauputic, oh but it was. But not by alsa.  I can play sound in totem-xine and xmms
[06:28] <thoreauputic> difeta: ah - try starting esd manually by typing `esd` in aterminal
[06:29] <BoD_SWAT> clausme, check your settings and drivers?
[06:29] <difeta> thoreauputic, this is the first of about 10 errors
[06:29] <difeta> ALSA lib confmisc.c:550:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0
[06:29] <elcu> thoreauputic: cheers, thanks
[06:29] <difeta> thoreauputic, it appears that i have a bunch of oss kernel modules loaded
[06:30] <cappe> the synaptic package manager has problems with the repositorys guys=/ I can't update my system as I would want to.. are there anyone from ubuntuforums.org around that has got access to the backports-server(s) and could help me out by solving this problem?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> difeta: sorry, I'm no sound expert I'm afraid
[06:31] <Sturmkind> hello
[06:31] <BoD_SWAT> clausme, without a "better" description of your problem nobody can help you
[06:31] <thoreauputic> cappe: I think there are some temporary issues on the servers, judging by the complaints in the last few minutes
[06:32] <cappe> ok
[06:32] <thoreauputic> difeta: BTW it's normal to have some OSS modules
[06:32] <clausme> hare can i find the folowing file asound.state
[06:32] <BoD_SWAT> clausme, do "updatedb" and when thats finished do "locate asound.state"
[06:32] <difeta> thoreauputic, i know that, but i dont have any alsa modules loaded. usualls there is an alsa modules that emulates oss
[06:33] <zoddan> how can i change so i dont need to insert the CD all the time ?
[06:33] <zoddan> when i apt-get something
[06:33] <thoreauputic> clausme: you need `sudo updatedb` BTW
[06:33] <difeta> zoddan, comment out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <BoD_SWAT> or you need to be logged in as root :D
[06:33] <thoreauputic> zoddan: comment out your CD in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <zoddan> ah ok
[06:34] <zoddan> trying to change to lilo
[06:34] <zoddan> hate grub :/
[06:34] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[06:35] <synd> zoddan: whats wrong with grub
[06:35] <zoddan> dont like it
[06:35] <zoddan> i allways use lilo
[06:36] <thoreauputic> zoddan: sounds like a familiarity issue :) I found grub strange whaen I first used it too
[06:36] <thoreauputic> zoddan: Just when I thought I understood lilo !
[06:36] <BoD_SWAT> :P
[06:36] <BoD_SWAT> Whats wrong with this line in fstab? "/dev/sda1	/mnt/hd300	ext3	defaults	0 	0 " I use it to mount my SATA HD, but it doesnt auto-mount...
[06:36] <difeta> grub is a little strange at first but it helps if you make afat finger mistake when installing a new kernel and mess up the config
[06:36] <zoddan> i cant get FB to work with grub
[06:37] <dr_willis> BoD_SWAT,  try mounting it manually?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: you might need to specify "auto" if you want it to mount on boot
[06:37] <Frail> hey guys
[06:37] <thundrcleeze> Anyone else have an 500 internal server error on the hoary backports repos?
[06:37] <Frail> could someone reccommend an ftp program for ubuntu?
[06:37] <thundrcleeze> Frail, gFTP
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Frail: client or server?
[06:37] <harris> hi there
[06:37] <dr_willis> dozens of ftp progarms out. :P
[06:37] <zoddan> i dont have any cd-rom in sources
[06:38] <Frail> client
[06:38] <zoddan> what do i do now ?
[06:38] <BoD_SWAT> dr_willis, manually it works fine
[06:38] <harris> i have a question about ubuntu
[06:38] <zoddan> Filbert thoreauputic ?
[06:38] <BoD_SWAT> thoreauputic, will try.... will reboot now :P
[06:38] <dr_willis> BoD_SWAT,  :P ok. that eliminates the common problems lol.
[06:38] <harris> how mny cds are in the dstro ?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Frail: gftp then probably: although both nautilus and konqueror can do ftp as well
[06:38] <elcu> thundrcleeze: backports are down IIRC
[06:38] <thoreauputic> zoddan: apt-get update
[06:38] <thundrcleeze> harris, Just 1 install cd.
[06:39] <Frail> ahh ok
[06:39] <elcu> harris: 1
[06:39] <elcu> :-)
[06:39] <zoddan> thoreauputic nevermind found it :P
[06:39] <Frail> thank you very much.
[06:39] <thoreauputic> zoddan: it *can't* ask for a CD rom if it isn't in the sources
[06:40] <harris> ohhhh ..
[06:40] <harris> is there a package list ?
[06:40] <harris> and what about mandrake vs ubuntu ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> harris: if you feel like browsing about 15 000 packages....
[06:40] <jedipottsy> can someone send me a copy of sources as mines gone all messed up. pref one with extra repositories
[06:40] <zoddan> lol
[06:41] <zoddan> i apt:ed lilo but i dont have a lilol.conf
[06:41] <zoddan> how do i fix that ?
[06:41] <thundrcleeze> jedipottsy, there's one at ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <thoreauputic> zoddan: you have to set it up and run lilo
[06:41] <zoddan> how ?
[06:41] <harris> i am running mandrake 10.1 and i would like to switch
[06:41] <elcu> harris: yep.  you can use synaptic or apt-cache search <keyword>
[06:41] <thoreauputic> :/
[06:41] <zoddan> thoreauputic: ?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> zoddan: why are you installing lilo if you don't know how to use it?
[06:41] <harris> any suggestions ?
[06:41] <dr_willis> heh - if you alwyas use lilo. then ya should know how to write one from scratch. :
[06:42] <elcu> harris: i've used mandrake before.  ubuntu seems a lot more stable.
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic: i know but i have never installed it after the system install
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic: so how do i do ?
[06:42] <elcu> harris: suggestions for what?
[06:42] <thundrcleeze> jedipottsy, find it under "Adding extra repositories to apt"
[06:42] <thoreauputic> zoddan: IRC isn't the place to be taught lilo - google is your friend
[06:42] <jedipottsy> ok, thnx i got it
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic no
[06:42] <harris> does ubintu worth ?
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic i just fond out
[06:42] <jedipottsy> :s
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic "run liloconfig"
[06:42] <harris> i know its very generall question
[06:43] <elcu> harris: why not get the live cd and try it out
[06:43] <harris> hmmm... ok
[06:43] <elcu> harris: that would be the best way of fguring out if you like it.  we're all biased.
[06:43] <harris> thanks
[06:44] <elcu> np, enjoy
[06:44] <elcu> :)
[06:44] <zoddan> ERROR: install-mbr failed. Your system may not be bootable
[06:44] <jamesio2> wow... I'm impressed with xchat.  our link went down and I came back here to find myself back in after it coming back up minutes later
[06:45] <jedipottsy> i like the thing where u can pin something to the top :D
[06:45] <thoreauputic> jamesh: most decent IRC clients will keep trying to connect like that :)
[06:46] <jamesio2> even mirc has issues with dropped connections...  that was pretty nice
[06:46] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get all my buttons working on my mouse? (mx1000)
[06:46] <wwallace_> is ubuntu better that kanotix?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: you ask this in #ubuntu? What answer would you expect? *g*
[06:47] <factorx> does anyone now how i can load vmware graphics drivers into my win98-vm?
[06:47] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: it depends what you like and need
[06:47] <elcu> is there any way to change the tooltip colour from the default of yellow?
[06:47] <zerokarmaleft> factorx, install vmware tools?
[06:47] <wwallace_> im in multimedi
[06:47] <wwallace_> i need a very good mp3 player or multimedia player
[06:48] <elcu> wwallace_: that's not really a distro based issue.
[06:48] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: I think amarok is the best I've seen (KDE)
[06:48] <wwallace_> ok thanks
[06:49] <zoddan> how do i clean the MBR ?
[06:49] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: if you don't want to have to set up mp3, choose a distro that does it "out of the box" - Ubuntu does it, but you need to do some legwork to get it happening
[06:50] <snugglebunny> I'd go for rhytmbox
[06:50] <wwallace_> where is marok my kanotix said is already installed
[06:50] <thoreauputic> snugglebunny: rhythmbox has... issues
[06:50] <wwallace_> i saw it thanks
[06:50] <thoreauputic> snugglebunny: IMO amarok is currently way better
[06:51] <BoD_SWAT> I get a "special device does not exist" error at boot, when I try to mount my SATA HD. My fstab reads "/dev/sda1	/mnt/hd300	ext3	defaults	0 	0 ". What could it be?
[06:51] <zoddan> how do i remove GRUB ?
[06:51] <wwallace_> ok from all those which one has a library?
[06:51] <wwallace_> xmms is nice but no music library
[06:52] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: both rhythmbox and amarok have a library
[06:52] <BoD_SWAT> zoddan, overwrite it with another boot loaders?
[06:52] <elcu> wwallace_: FYI, beep-media-player is a better alternative to xmms
[06:52] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: amarok's is more sophisticated, and allows tag editing etc
[06:52] <wwallace_> ok
[06:52] <dr_willis> zoddan,  you install a boot loader OVER it.
[06:52] <wwallace_> lets see
[06:52] <wwallace_> ......
[06:53] <zoddan> i have
[06:53] <zoddan> i have install lilo
[06:53] <zoddan> but grub is still booting
[06:53] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: if you already have kanotix, I expect you can use amarok (kanotix is more KDE oriented) You might want to look at Kubunru in the case where you prefer KDE
[06:54] <wwallace_> i do prefer kde
[06:54] <thoreauputic> zoddan: then you got it wrong, evidently
[06:54] <dr_willis> zoddan,  then i am guessing you intalled lilo to the wrong drive/sector.
[06:54] <wwallace_> whats kubunru?
[06:55] <factorx> wwallace_: ubuntu with kde instead of gnome
[06:55] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: Ubuntu with KDE insteads of gnome as default
[06:55] <jedipottsy> help
[06:55] <jedipottsy> i followed this guide
[06:55] <jedipottsy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[06:55] <elcu> isn't that a typo? i thought it was kubuntu.
[06:55] <jamesio2> you guys mentioned amarok.  does it work in gnome?
[06:55] <osity> anyone have raid experience in ubuntu
[06:55] <osity> ?
[06:55] <dataw0lf|w> jamesio2: yes.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> yes typo
[06:55] <elcu> jamesio2: you can run any kde app in gnome
[06:55] <elcu> IIRC
[06:55] <jedipottsy> but my forward and backward buttons dont work 0 the forward button is like right click
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Kubuntu
[06:55] <dataw0lf|w> jamesio2: you need the kde libs though.
[06:55] <jamesio2> it's installing now
[06:56] <jamesio2> thanks... didn't know that
[06:56] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: it works in gnome, but esd gets in the way
[06:56] <jamesio2> I'm looking for replacement apps for my windows apps
[06:56] <snowmann> hi @all
[06:56] <Scorpinf> is there a gui for rar?
[06:56] <dr_willis> Scorpinf,  Ive used winrar under wine :P does that count?
[06:56] <elcu> thoreauputic: what does this actually do? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:57] <Scorpinf> i dont have wine :/
[06:57] <dr_willis> Scorpinf,  install it then :P
[06:57] <Scorpinf> with apt-get ?
[06:58] <dr_willis> i do belive some of the archive guis can handle rars. howeer i ve never used them - so cant tell more.
[06:58] <dr_willis> Scorpinf,  yep.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> elcu: I don't know ;)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> elcu: I think it's a fix for esound issues, but I'm not sure what it does
[06:59] <Scorpinf> how do i et a cool theme for ubuntu with transparent terminal etc...
[06:59] <wwallace_> amarok looks nice im waiting for the libary to be build
[06:59] <wwallace_> ubuntu is debian?
[06:59] <elcu> thoreauputic: ah, ok.  no worries
[06:59] <wwallace_> i mean can i use apt-get to get stuff?
[06:59] <elcu> wwallace_: yep, debian based
[06:59] <wwallace_> ok
[06:59] <elcu> Scorpinf: gnome?
[06:59] <wwallace_> im downloading the 64 iso right now
[07:00] <wwallace_> the 386 also just in case
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: transparent terminals can be done with the default terminal if you wish
[07:00] <jamesio2> I use "Tag & Rename" in windows to tag my mp3s.  By any chance, do you guys know of a linux app that is a close match?
[07:00] <wwallace_> same files structure than debian right?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: look at the configuration options in the gnome-terminal
[07:00] <Nalioth> jamesio2, easytag?
[07:00] <Scorpinf> thoreauputic, ok ill check it out
[07:01] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: Ubuntu is basically identical to debian in configuration
[07:01] <wwallace_> ok
[07:01] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: as I said earlier, amarok has quite a few tagging options built in
[07:02] <jamesio2> nalioth, I'll go take a look.  thanks.
[07:02] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: in fact they are better than easy tag, I'd say
[07:02] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, it just finished installing...
[07:02] <snowmann> cu @all
[07:02] <cyphase> finally got name-based vhosts working, lol
[07:02] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: I think you'll like it :)
[07:03] <Nalioth> jamesio2, the nice thing about linux, everything is free (not out any money to try things out
[07:03] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, if it would work with an ipod... I'll love it
[07:03] <Nalioth> jamesio2, gtkpod?
[07:04] <zoddan> can i change to debian release in sources so i can apt-get gkrellm and stuff ?
[07:04] <jamesio2> nal, that's why I'm trying to move "my life" over to linux
[07:04] <zoddan> i cant apt-get gkrellm with ubuntu in sourceslist
[07:04] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: I think there's an option for that - it might need plugins and configuration though (not sure)
[07:04] <jamesio2> nalioth, still learning what I need to do my daily things
[07:04] <Nalioth> jamesio2, ubuntu is a good choice
[07:04] <zoddan> can i canage that without problem ?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> zoddan: sure you can
[07:04] <zoddan> ok
[07:04] <jamesio2> I just wish I could find people in the New Orleans area that use ubuntu
[07:05] <Nalioth> jamesio2, i've found that besides games, everything you use in windoze has one or more comparitive proggys in linux
[07:05] <thoreauputic> zoddan: change what?
[07:05] <jamesio2> then again, I wish I could find "normal people" that use linux.  the ones I've met remind me of "Jerry's kids"
[07:05] <thoreauputic> zoddan: gkrellm is available in Ubuntu
[07:05] <zoddan> no
[07:05] <zoddan> i was trying to apt-get it but it wont download
[07:05] <sig> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release:  <--- how do I fix this?
[07:05] <elcu> jamesio2: who's jerry?
[07:05] <jamesio2> nalioth, yeah I'm slowly learning what I need to replace them
[07:05] <mgalvin> \join #ubuntu-meeting
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: yes it will - just wait for the servers if there's a problem
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: could not find package gkrellm
[07:06] <jamesio2> elcu, Jerry Lewis
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: rubbish
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: so you see
[07:06] <jamesio2> elcu, ie. handicapped
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: try for you self
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: I have it right here
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: do you have the same version ?
[07:06] <jamesio2> it was a bad joke... just trying to say that the linux people I've met in person really scare me
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: your sources are misconfigured
[07:06] <elcu> jamesio2: ah, ok.
[07:07] <sig> anyone else get these errors?
[07:07] <zoddan> thoreauputic: no they ar not, i have the sources that came with the CD install
[07:07] <jamesio2> and don't try to talk to them about a distro they don't use.
[07:07] <sig> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:07] <zoddan> thoreauputic: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[07:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: you need to add universe at least
[07:08] <bad_mongo> does anyone use Opera?
[07:08] <elcu> jamesio2: lol, i can relate somewhat, not being much of a hardcore linux user.
[07:08] <zoddan> thoreauputic: what ?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> and probably multiverse
[07:08] <zoddan> thoreauputic: ?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: read the URl
[07:08] <zoddan> thoreauputic: i have so what ?
[07:08] <jamesio2> elcu, I went to a linux group meeting... and I felt like I was at an AA meeting.  "Hi, my name is James and I use ubuntu"
[07:09] <thoreauputic> zoddan: thoreauputic zoddan: read the URl
[07:09] <zoddan> i have
[07:09] <sig> anyone know why this gpg signature in security is bad?
[07:09] <wwallace_> is ubuntu live cd too?
[07:09] <BoD_SWAT> jamesio2, ROFL
[07:09] <zoddan> why dont just say "uncomment the lines in sourcers.list"
[07:09] <zoddan> ?
[07:09] <elcu> Hi James.
[07:09] <sig> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:09] <elcu> :-)
[07:09] <BoD_SWAT> wwallace_, Ubuntu also has a live-CD yes
[07:09] <drspin> sig: just got that same thing LOL
[07:09] <sig> hmm
[07:09] <thoreauputic> zoddan: because you clearly need to do some basic research
[07:10] <jamesio2> hehe... I'm telling you it was that bad.  I just sat there for 2 hours watching these people talk about stuff that made me feel like I was 3 steps above them on the evolutionary ladder
[07:10] <wwallace_> oh is different from the 64 version im downloading?
[07:10] <drspin> Due to lack of good Audio-cd-burning apps for GNOME I'm installing KDE ;'(
[07:10] <drspin> or perhaps just k3b :'(
[07:10] <wwallace_> ubuntu uses kde?
[07:10] <BoD_SWAT> it uses Gnome
[07:10] <wwallace_> uh?
[07:10] <elcu> jamesio2: really? i always feel 3 steps below. (is doing a comp sci. degree)
[07:10] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: Kubuntu for KDE
[07:10] <BoD_SWAT> wwallace_, please READ the ubuntu website
[07:10] <drspin> wwallace_: Kubuntu uses KDE
[07:10] <wwallace_> can i switch from gnome to kde?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: although you can install KDE
[07:11] <BoD_SWAT> linux is highly configurable
[07:11] <BoD_SWAT> :)
[07:11] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: yes - install the kubuntu-desktop package
[07:11] <jamesio2> elcu, the issue really is that I have been doing computers for many years and I'm really good with hardware.  then you get a few people that really know linux find a "cool" toy like a raid controller, but they don't understand how it works.
[07:12] <jamesio2> elcu, there were 4 guys arguing for 20 minutes about how raid5 works.  it was funny.
[07:12] <jamesio2> elcu, as opposed to saying "ok, let's try it"
[07:13] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: yes, but it's also funny to listen to windows "gurus" getting everything wrong about Linux ;-)
[07:13] <evarlast> thoreauputic: I find that often those people get much wrong about windows too.
[07:13] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, true.  I'm a windows person (it director and network engineer for years), but I know when to ask questions
[07:13] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: sure
[07:14] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, I know what I need to do, but not how to do it.
[07:14] <jedipottsy> hey
[07:14] <jedipottsy> can someone help me with this
[07:14] <jedipottsy> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46
[07:14] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: open source is kind of different - you end up spending a lot of time with google and mailing lists etc
[07:14] <sig> thoreauputic: have you got those gpg errors on the security repo?
[07:14] <jedipottsy> it says
[07:14] <jedipottsy> Overwrite the correctly "Phys" address with your own. Now you can restart your Xserver and enjoy a nice 12-button mouse. You can use * or ? as wildcards
[07:15] <jedipottsy> whats that mean?
[07:15] <evarlast> I think I've heard just as many linux users get linux wrong, as I have heard windows users get windows wrong.  *shrug* there are the informed and there ate the mis- un- informed
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sig: hmm... I only get them if I fail to do an apt-get update first
[07:15] <eruin> ooooh I can't wait for beagle
[07:15] <eruin> w/ the inotify kernel coming to breezy
[07:15] <eruin> :D
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sig: but there's a URL... hang on I'll look for you
[07:15] <sig> thoreauputic: apt-get update will still give you the errors
[07:15] <sig> I've just tried
[07:15] <sig> hmm
[07:16] <sig> thoreauputic: run apt-get update you'll still get the error
[07:16] <Nalioth> jamesio2, and your support doesnt consist of $90 up front please <pay money><ask question>"we're sorry but you must reinstall windoze"
[07:16] <jedipottsy> ne1 here got all buttons working on theyr mx1000?
[07:16] <eruin> drspin: err
[07:17] <eruin> drspin: a good, read: better gnome burning program than k3b is gnome-baker
[07:17] <eruin> so don't switch just yet :P
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sig: I used that
[07:17] <mae> which /etc/init.d/ script is in charge of HALD?
[07:17] <sig> hmm
[07:17] <sig> thoreauputic: run apt-get update
[07:17] <sig> you'll still get that error
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sig: I have :)
[07:17] <sig> same error
[07:17] <jamesio2> nalioth, that's funny.  I'm that guy... then again, I'm the it director and those are my guys
[07:18] <evarlast> jamesio2: do you let your guys get away with that?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> sig: with the wiki's instructions followed, I don't get the error unless I fail to update before installing
[07:18] <thoreauputic> sig: unless you are using some other repos?
[07:19] <xukun> I this error I f I run apt-getg upate. "GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:19] <xukun> "
[07:19] <jamesio2> evarlast, nope.  I don't do that either... but it was more a comment on the money.  even though we are part of a larger company, my team has to bill out to their budgets
[07:19] <Nalioth> jamesio2, my point is that windoze is so bbloated that the support staff can't even begin to help you
[07:19] <xukun> I  get ..
[07:19] <sig> thoreauputic: I've done those commands dude
[07:19] <sig> you'll still get that gpg error
[07:19] <thoreauputic> sig: OK
[07:19] <evarlast> jamesio2: yes, my team does that too.
[07:19] <sig> something is up with that security repo I think
[07:20] <xukun> hmm
[07:20] <thoreauputic> sig: YMMV - I don't get the error here at the moment but the repos may be out of sync
[07:20] <jamesio2> oh, and I instituted a rule: if the problem was caused by "user error" then the fee we charge is double
[07:20] <jamesio2> the COO agreed... and it cut down on our calls by 80%
[07:20] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: BOFH eh ? *grin*
[07:20] <sig> hmm
[07:20] <evarlast> jamesio2: ;[  so mean!
[07:20] <sig> frustrating
[07:21] <jamesio2> not mean... read the f'ing manual you lazy bastards
[07:21] <thoreauputic> sig: it won't let you install, or is it merely annoying?
[07:21] <sig> thoreauputic: just gpg errors
[07:21] <wwallace_> c ya thanks
[07:22] <jamesio2> my favorite dilbert cartoon has the pointy haired boss coming in and saying management is firing everyone in the company except IT, since IT does all their jobs anyway
[07:22] <sig> I think your right, they may be out of sync
[07:22] <sig> I'll try later
[07:22] <thoreauputic> sig: I think they are still ironing out some issues, judging by the frequency of this complaint
[07:24] <dabaSlon> ugh
[07:24] <evarlast> jamesio2: are you allowed to configure the workstations so that people can't mess up too badly?
[07:24] <mae> Does anyone know what some possible causes would be why ubuntu is not detecting removable media on the fly anymore?
[07:25] <elcu> mae: what sort of media?
[07:25] <jamesio2> evarlast, I can do anything I want to our systems.  we do have group policies in place, but only to a certain extent do they stop people from messing up
[07:25] <jamesio2> evarlast, I let the users do what they want on the machine with the understanding that if they install software without authorization, they will be fired.
[07:26] <mae> elcu, flash drives, ipods etc.. before it would automatically create the /media listing and then put it on my desktop, now it doesnt even make the directory, I checked dmesg and the kernel detected it just fine, i can mount it manually with mount.. but no auto mount/directory generation for some reason
[07:26] <evarlast> jamesio2: ya, I have that access here on my desktop, but they are removing Administrator access to PC's and only giving User/PowerUser.  it is an excellent step IMO
[07:26] <jamesio2> ever since that got put into the employee manual, they stopped installing crap
[07:26] <KriegGoD> howq do i find out which GTK+ version i've got?
[07:26] <jamesio2> true, but some of our applications won't work without local admin rights
[07:27] <evarlast> jamesio2: luckily we don't have  "fired" policy, just a "fix it now" directive, or a "show us the licnese" directive.   I can't live without putty, cygwin, gvim, and a few others.
[07:27] <evarlast> jamesio2: same here - so only the people who need those apps are getting local admin rights.
[07:27] <jamesio2> evarlast, if you worked for us ... then you wouldn't be able to install all of that.
[07:27] <elcu> jamesio2: do you let them use firefox at least?
[07:28] <jamesio2> elcu, that is the next thing we plan on doing, but once again.... some of what we do requires ie
[07:29] <jamesio2> I work in a complicated environment.  a typical desktop in our billing dept has 35 specific applications, and about 15 url shortcuts to get into hospitals.
[07:29] <jamesio2> and to let you know, I'm on a laptop specifically built so I can play with ubuntu when I have free time
[07:29] <jamesio2> I practice what I preach
[07:29] <evarlast> jamesio2: then I'd quit working for you ;p
[07:29] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: have you been able to get spyware under control?  in my offive we've been having issues even with tight policies in place
[07:29] <jamesio2> hahhahaa
[07:30] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> mae: checked your conf editor in apps system tools?
[07:30] <jamesio2> hypa7ia, we have 0 spyware.  we do have apps in place to scan for it enterprise-wide, but for the most part, our people don't surf or install anything
[07:30] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: gotcha
[07:31] <osity> raid experience anyone?
[07:31] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> mae:  then desktop, volume management, auto mount
[07:31] <jamesio2> once again, it goes back to the "don't mess with it and you won't get fired" rule
[07:31] <jamesio2> my boss is a nice guy, but if you mess with the systems, he freaks.
[07:31] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: ahh, but so often with drive-by installs... not really the user's fault :-/
[07:32] <elcu> jamesio2: you can't stop them from playing freecell though ;-)
[07:32] <jamesio2> hypa7ia, sure it is.  if they weren't surfing, it wouldn't have happened.
[07:32] <jamesio2> elcu, sure we can... we have apps in place to remove "unlicensed applications"
[07:32] <jamesio2> and freecell/solitaire is on the list
[07:32] <jamesio2> I caught someone bringing it in on floppy
[07:32] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: most of these problems would disappear with linux, yes?
[07:33] <elcu> jamesio2: you harsh, harsh man. have you no compassion?
[07:33] <elcu> :-)
[07:33] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, no it wouldn't... there are no apps in place to track linux software
[07:33] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: that's true :-)
[07:33] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, show me an enterprise-wide application that can stop people from running/installing things in linux and we'll talk
[07:33] <jamesio2> hehehe
[07:34] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: you just /can't/ as a user :-)
[07:34] <elcu> thoreauputic: don't tell him, he'll use it for evil
[07:34] <jamesio2> I did the same, but it was for an apple //e
[07:34] <osity> noone here knows raid?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: umm - they wouldn't be able to install in linux without root privileges, except in their home dir
[07:34] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, but they could still install to their home dirs
[07:34] <jamesio2> or bring things in on floppy
[07:34] <jamesio2> and I'd have no way of knowing
[07:34] <hypa7ia> and it would be trivial to not allow exec other than in /usr?
[07:34] <hypa7ia> wouldn't it?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: how would that cause system wide problems?
[07:35] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: not system issues, but lost productivity
[07:35] <jamesio2> I'm not trying to get into a "why don't you do this..." discussion.  we use windows for a reason... and I use linux for a reason.
[07:35] <hypa7ia> and possibly system issues, i guess :-)
[07:35] <jamesio2> bottom line: with what I have installed, I can track everything and know what everyone is doing at all time.
[07:35] <jamesio2> ermo, times.
[07:35] <evarlast> jamesio2: CA eTrust SEOS - expensive but EXCELLENT!
[07:35] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: I wasn't saying that you should do anything: merely making converstion
[07:36] <thoreauputic> *converstion
[07:36] <jamesio2> just for conversation, go look up "HIPAA"
[07:36] <Fator_Dee> " Big brother is watching *you* " ;-)
[07:36] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: no need to be prickly :)
[07:36] <jamesio2> hehehe
[07:36] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, nah... just trying to explain myself
[07:36] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: i know all about that... it's getting to be a huge issue wth VOIP
[07:36] <jamesio2> a single hipaa violation costs
[07:36] <jamesio2> $250,000
[07:37] <jamesio2> we had a hospital we work with pay one
[07:37] <jamesio2> and we sneaked by not paying because of the apps we have in place to log everything
[07:37] <jamesio2> so the money was well spent
[07:37] <evarlast> jamesio2: if you need to run HIPAA stuff on unix/linux check out CA eTrust aka SeOS
[07:38] <jamesio2> I'll look into it, but bear in mind, I have a development team of 14 programmers that program in asp.net
[07:38] <Fator_Dee> jamesio2: what kind of company you work in?
[07:39] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: remember how much GNOME development is happening in mono, then :-)
[07:39] <jamesio2> medical billing, medical staffing, er management, and er software development
[07:39] <evarlast> jamesio2: maybe I would work for you... but could I do my C# Asp.net in gvim?  ;]
[07:39] <jamesio2> hhahaha
[07:40] <jamesio2> I've been planning on moving a good portion of what we do to apache and off of iis, but the problem I have is not finding qualified people
[07:40] <evarlast> jamesio2: o_O?  are you on IIS6?
[07:40] <jamesio2> as it is now, I desperately need a vb.net programmer that has a medical background
[07:40] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: try showing up at a local LUG meeting :-)
[07:40] <jamesio2> evarlast, all of our systems run windows 2003 server
[07:41] <hypa7ia> hehe, for the apache stuff, not the vb.net :-)
[07:41] <evarlast> jamesio2: then why move to apache?
[07:41] <jamesio2> proof of concept
[07:41] <evarlast> jamesio2: oh.
[07:41] <jamesio2> if I can prove that a linux box (or freebsd) runs apache and our apps... without the $28,000 cost of software PER machine, then I'm good
[07:41] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> so, hows your Ubuntu?
[07:41] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> haha
[07:41] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> bye
[07:42] <evarlast> $28k?  oh are you buying windows user license per asp.net user?
[07:42] <drcode> hi all
[07:42] <drcode> how I Can tell vncserver to load at gnome manager?
[07:42] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[07:43] <jamesio2> no0tic, we purchase sql server dual cpu license, hl7 adapter for biztalk, biztalk server ... and 4 other supporting applications (asp.net medical spellchecker, etc)
[07:43] <dr_willis> drcode,  ive seen it done that way - but cant remebr who/how/where :P
[07:43] <jamesio2> I hate the "auto name" feature in xchat...
[07:43] <Barnabas> any1 has experience with terratec 5.1 sound cards?
[07:43] <dr_willis> drcode,  i tend to ssh to the box and strt vnc manually on a peruser basis
[07:43] <evarlast> jamesio2: you are using biztalk.  cool.  good luck moving to apache, that would be a LOT of code to rewrite.
[07:43] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: then reconfigure it
[07:44] <drcode> k
[07:44] <jamesio2> evarlast, but the biztalk is the cheap part
[07:44] <drcode> I can use also xpmcd with compress?
[07:44] <jamesio2> sql server dual cpu license is about $8000 per machine
[07:44] <dr_willis> drcode,  i did see an artical on the Linux journal mag site - that showed how to start vncserver as needed from xinetd and did just that.
[07:44] <jamesio2> if I can get that on firebird...
[07:44] <evarlast> jamesio2: or postgresql?
[07:44] <jamesio2> or...
[07:45] <jamesio2> anyway... nice weather we're having
[07:45] <drcode> U Can send me link ?
[07:45] <evarlast> jamesio2: where are you in the US?
[07:45] <jamesio2> new orleans
[07:45] <jamesio2> not worth visiting and even worse to live here
[07:45] <jamesio2> incredibly high murder rate
[07:45] <evarlast> jamesio2: I'm in Detroit, but have you worked with any Atlanta contractors?
[07:46] <jamesio2> that's funny, I'm from Ann Arbor
[07:46] <ubuntu> hey, i am trying to mount an ntfs partition via a liveCD and was successful but won't let anyone but root view the contents. any help?
[07:46] <jamesio2> born/raised
[07:46] <evarlast> jamesio2: lol.  I live in Milan, my new job is in Ann Arbor, my wife goes to Umich :)
[07:46] <dr_willis> drcode,  been overa year sinve ive seen it. Some distros include a way to get vnc running at boot time - but i dont think ubuntu does
[07:46] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu: you need to give users read permission
[07:46] <dr_willis> drcode,  i bet the ubuntu wiki's are the place to start
[07:46] <drcode> k
[07:46] <drcode> thanx
[07:47] <drcode> I Will check there
[07:47] <jamesio2> evarlast, moved back here after 6 years in Canton/Novi...
[07:47] <ubuntu> fator_dee : how can i go about doing that?
[07:47] <evarlast> jamesio2: I'm in dearborn at Ford (right next to WHQ) right now!
[07:47] <evarlast> jamesio2: so greetings from your homeland.  :)
[07:47] <Barnabas> I got no sound :(
[07:47] <rubenv> What's ubuntu's policy on licenses?
[07:48] <jamesio2> evarlast, haha... I lived off of Ford/275
[07:48] <rubenv> do they only accept certain licenses, or ar all OSI approved licenses OK?
[07:48] <dr_willis> drcode,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=162624#post162624    - is a start
[07:48] <ermo> rubenv: comparable to debian afaik
[07:48] <ermo> rubenv: which means free/libre, I guess.
[07:48] <evarlast> jamesio2: want to move home?  lots of jobs around here :)
[07:48] <rubenv> ermo: I assume that means they're being more anal and reject certain OSI licences?
[07:49] <ubuntu> fator_dee: when I attempt to change the permissions of the folder, it gives me the message chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt': Read-only file system
[07:49] <ermo> rubenv: see, I wouldn't know. Guess my answer was kind of a non-answer :/
[07:49] <jamesio2> evarlast, funny you say that.  if I could find a job paying what I make now with the same responsibilities... I'd be all over it.  my wife is from new orleans, but she loved michigan (after I dragged her kicking and screaming to move there)
[07:49] <zoddan> thoreauputic: got i now, but gkrellm was not addd to my gnome menu
[07:49] <rubenv> ermo: no prob, I'll continue on poking around
[07:50] <jghjk> hi
[07:50] <cappe> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- what do I need to do to solve this guys? any ideas on this one?
[07:50] <ermo> rubenv: but artistic, bsd, gpl, python, MIT are all ok.
[07:50] <jamesio2> evarlast, I'll be back in a bit.  you can pm me on the forums at "jamesio"
[07:50] <ubuntu> fator_dee: so is there a way I can modify the users' permissions without modifying the permissions of the folder? because i don't think it will let me modify folders' permissions because it's running off the liveCD
[07:50] <ermo> rubenv: again, afaik.
[07:50] <rubenv> ermo: I'm wondering about the APSL2
[07:50] <evarlast> jamesio2: later, good talking to you.
[07:50] <rubenv> it's OSI approved
[07:50] <thoreauputic> zoddan: right, it doesn't seem to have .desktop file: I just made a panel launcher for it
[07:51] <jamesio2> evarlast, I'll be back in about 20 minutes or so
[07:51] <rubenv> but I hear nothing but bad about it, but most of that applies to the APSL 1
[07:52] <ermo> rubenv: ttp://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/license-list.html <- search for APSL 2
[07:52] <nadav_> I have a little question about the command 'last'
[07:52] <ubuntu> can anyone help with the permissions issue on the liveCD?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> cappe: apparently the repos are out of sync - some discussion of it on #ubuntu-devel
[07:52] <x_or> Anyone know the convert program from ImageMagick?  I want to add a background edge around an image without resizing it.
[07:52] <ermo> rubenv: it's listed as 'incompatible' which to me implies that debian (and friends) will avoid it like the plague
[07:52] <zoddan> thoreauputic: ok
[07:52] <rubenv> ermo: the FSF mentions the APSL as free, but incompatible with the GPL
[07:53] <rubenv> for some idiotic reason
[07:53] <drcode> thanx
[07:53] <nadav_> with the command last, on the rows that start with 'reboot' what does the last columb mean? "(3+01:41)" ?
[07:53] <orfeu> ubuntu have an web server ?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> orfeu: yes, if you install apache from the repositories
[07:54] <raveli> i have a sftp server running and I would like to (a) restrict all sftp users to their home directories and (b) have symbolic links in their home directories to several directories so that when they follow the symlink, they won't actually get out of their home dirs (so that doing a "cd .." won't show them the parent of the actual symlink target dir). Any way to accomplish these?
[07:56] <cusco> chmod
[07:58] <UnreA|L> How create file in console
[07:58] <UnreA|L> ?
[07:58] <dr_willis> touch foo
[07:58] <dr_willis> :P
[07:58] <dr_willis> makea a 0k file named foo.
[07:59] <dr_willis> or theres 100 other ways
[07:59] <cusco> lol
[07:59] <UnreA|L> touch ?
[07:59] <dr_willis> echo "" > foo
[07:59] <cusco> editor file.name
[07:59] <Barnabas> arg
[07:59] <Barnabas> im frustrated
[07:59] <cusco> why is that
[07:59] <Earthen> anyone know how to restart dansguardian with out killing it
[07:59] <Barnabas> I got no sound
[07:59] <cusco> me too, I quit smoking
[07:59] <raveli> cusco, i can't see a way how to accomplish all that with chmod (I have other users using the computer as well, and those users' use shouldn't be as restricted as sftp users')
[08:00] <Barnabas> The audio monitor shows its played, but no joy
[08:00] <cusco> raveli: I don't know then
[08:00] <raveli> cusco, ok thanks. guess I'll have to continue searching
[08:01] <drcode> any one know good backup software with console client/server for linux?
[08:01] <drcode> or I Need to buy?
[08:01] <ermo> rubenv: the DFSG to me implies that software released under the APSL v2 would have to go into contrib. If it was in main, it would conflict with the DFSG. But in ubuntu?
[08:01] <drcode> not bacula or taper
[08:01] <raveli> it's a shame sftp doesn't support "virtual directories". I previously had a SFTP server app on Windows and defining custom server appearances for independent users was really easy with them
[08:02] <UnreA|L> How make a transperency aterm ?
[08:02] <raveli> bad news was that the sftp server app was commercial and, naturally, its devs wanted  for it after trial period :-)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: aterm -tr -sh 80 for example gives you an aterm with transparency, dimmed to 80%
[08:04] <Merlin615> hello all
[08:04] <rubenv> ermo: isn't it strange that perfectly good software is deemed unusable because of GPL zealots?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: aterm -bg black -fg white gives a black background, white foreground, and so on : man aterm will tell you other options
[08:04] <Merlin615> need some help trying to get the bugs worked out for transcode
[08:04] <rubenv> ermo: sure, it's not free in the fact that it can be used together with proprietary software, but that doesn't restrict our freedom?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> rubenv: hmm ... #politics maybe ;-)
[08:05] <UnreA|L> Okay ;)
[08:05] <UnreA|L> Thanks
[08:05] <UnreA|L> how make transperency forever
[08:05] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[08:05] <UnreA|L> when i turn off aterm
[08:05] <rubenv> thoreauputic: I'm sending it to sounder ;-)
[08:05] <sig> UnreA|L: put it in your aterm config file
[08:06] <cusco> raveli: I think google has a lot!! http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=restrict+sftp+users+home&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:06] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: make a launcher with your preferred command
[08:06] <sig> no
[08:06] <UnreA|L> how make this launcher
[08:06] <sig> just put it in your config file
[08:06] <UnreA|L> ?
[08:06] <chrissturm> hmm, yesterday i found my root filesystem mounted read only. i restarted the system and got a grub error. and when i boot with a live cd i get a incomplete read error when i try fdisk /dev/hda. is that a bad sign? ;)
[08:06] <UnreA|L> or where is config fie ?
[08:07] <Amaranth> rubenv: You'd have to know why the DFSG was created to know why it's a good thing.
[08:07] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: right click on the panel or desktop, choose to make a new launcher, enter your command, click on the icon space
[08:07] <raveli> cusco, oh :) looks like i've used far too restrictive keywords when searching
[08:07] <raveli> cusco, thanks again =)
[08:07] <XhyldazhK> I cannot log in to my box except in recovery mode as root, I am using hoary I've checked permissions and when I try to login ir do a 'su - xhyldazhk' to my user it says 'cannot cd to "/home/xhyldazhk" ' the directory exists... can anyone help me please?
[08:07] <cusco> np, good luck
[08:07] <UnreA|L> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:07] <UnreA|L> ;)
[08:07] <rubenv> Amaranth: I do value the DFSG, but it appears strange to me to condemn this license because you can link it with proprietary software
[08:08] <Amaranth> rubenv: That's not the reason.
[08:08] <Dalkus> XhyldazhK, do you get that error when su'ing as root?
[08:08] <Amaranth> rubenv: If that was the reason BSD and LGPL code wouldn't be allowed either.
[08:08] <kbdcb> Hi, I got a problem with GPG-keys. Can someone help me?
[08:08] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: yes
[08:08] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[08:08] <rubenv> Amaranth: yeah, but I can't find the other reason either
[08:08] <UnreA|L> how with aterm paste command ?
[08:08] <Dalkus> try chowning it to your user, make sure the permissions are absolutly correct.... 755 to be safe
[08:09] <Amaranth> rubenv: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html
[08:09] <rubenv> Amaranth:  the FSF's opinion has a very vague wording
[08:09] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: my home dir is 755
[08:09] <Dalkus> as root, chown it to your user, then try
[08:09] <XhyldazhK> drwxr-x-r-x
[08:09] <ermo> rubenv: I'd rather not get into that argument, if you don't mind. I am, however, a bit puzzled with the 'ubuntu philosopy' as published on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/licensing/
[08:10] <Amaranth> rubenv: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/08/msg00527.html might help too
[08:10] <UnreA|L> how with aterm paste command ? and how remove a left scrollbar ?
[08:10] <kbdcb> Amaranth, sorry. I think the problem was solved right now. :)
[08:10] <rubenv> ermo: likewise
[08:10] <ermo> rubenv: I wonder if I, as a user, would be better served if there was a list of compatible licenses under each component?
[08:10] <rubenv> Amaranth: aha, very handy
[08:11] <drcode> I can install rpm in ubuntu right?
[08:11] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: what is worst, any process that requires su, like gdm, doesn't starts
[08:11] <XhyldazhK> wait 10 mins i really have to go...
[08:11] <Dalkus> Hmm... That's not a good sign
[08:11] <rubenv> ermo: it would surely make life simpler for non-legalese people
[08:11] <ermo> rubenv: that would make it clearer as to what position canonical has on licenses. Obviously, they are bound by the DFSG in basing ubuntu off of it.
[08:11] <Dalkus> Ok, XhyldazhK.
[08:11] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: I've fscked my disk, and it's clean
[08:11] <ermo> rubenv: but that's just main. What about the other components?
[08:12] <Dalkus> Have you considerd doing a rescue install?
[08:12] <osity> does anyone know raid paritioning? please message me
[08:12] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: rescue install? the hoary cd has that inside?
[08:12] <raydogg``> what is the disk scan utility in ubuntu?
[08:12] <ermo> rubenv: Alas, your question was once again not answered, at least not by li'l me
[08:12] <Dalkus> Er, it should do -I've never needed to look
[08:12] <Dalkus> I'm almost certain it does
[08:12] <rubenv> ermo: If there has to be more 3th party (MOTU) involvement, wouldn't a list like that be extremely handy?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> raydogg``: fsck ?
[08:13] <Dalkus> you can save your /home partition's files - if it is a seperate partition
[08:13] <UnreA|L> Anything know where i can get ascii pictures ?
[08:13] <Amaranth> rubenv: from my reading of that thread so far i'd say the APSL 2.0 sucks
[08:13] <Dalkus> Ubuntico, chris.com I seem to remember? Not sure though
[08:13] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: all stuff is in the same dirty partition...
[08:13] <ermo> rubenv: I'm unfamiliar with '(MOTU)'...
[08:13] <Dalkus> not good, XhyldazhK  :) Have you any way to back up your files?
[08:13] <zoddan> what do you recommend KDE och Gnome?
[08:13] <lotusleaf> only 26 hours remaining in my Ubuntu iso download <3
[08:13] <Dalkus> UnreA|L, sorry, chris.com.
[08:13] <rubenv> Amaranth: I'm a slow legalese reader, but I'm working on it ;-)
[08:13] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: maybe scpying them to a win32 machine...
[08:14] <Amaranth> rubenv: I'd be hilarious if the GPL 3 has the same clause. It wouldn't be DFSG-free. :)
[08:14] <Amaranth> err, it'd
[08:14] <Dalkus> you may want to look into backing up, then doing a *fresh* install of ubuntu
[08:14] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: a rescue install won't do the trick?
[08:14] <Dalkus> and learning how to use paritions :) If you have a seperate /home parition, you can never wipe it when you need to reinstall your OS
[08:14] <Dalkus> no, it'll wipe over the partition
[08:15] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: there isn't a windows like 'install all base packages without deleting anything' ?
[08:15] <Dalkus> I'm not sure, sorry XhyldazhK.
[08:15] <XhyldazhK> thanks anyway
[08:16] <thoreauputic> XhyldazhK: you could try re-running base-config I guess, and see if it fixes some problems
[08:16] <Dalkus> XhyldazhK, you should really learn about having seperate partitions for your linux system, though :)
[08:17] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: is that I am a compulsive package installer, and a compulsive media downloader, so, I need to maximize space usable
[08:18] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: the fact that I enabled user_xattr in the partition can have to do with that problem?
[08:19] <kbdcb> Amaranth, Can you help me install mplayer-k6 ? I get a lot of unmet dependencies?
[08:19] <Jefis> i am from shell, how to run gnome, when i type startx, it start's kde
[08:19] <Amaranth> kbdcb: You're not using marilliat, are you?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Jefis: startx /usr/bin/gnome-session
[08:20] <kbdcb> Amaranth, yes I am.
[08:20] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Stop. Now.
[08:20] <kbdcb> Amaranth, oh? Okej, what to do?
[08:20] <rubenv> Amaranth: I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly, but where exactly are the negative points of it? As I can see it, it forces more open-ness of software
[08:21] <Amaranth> rubenv: Using open source scripts to run a website is not distributing.
[08:21] <kbdcb> Amaranth, when deleting marilliat in sources.list apt-get can't find mplayer
[08:21] <Amaranth> kbdcb: You're on warty?
[08:21] <whyz> do i need to change the config file of sshd to allow other computers to connect to it?
[08:22] <kbdcb> Amaranth, no 5.04
[08:22] <thoreauputic> whyz: security
[08:22] <kbdcb> Amaranth, installed it yesterday
[08:22] <Amaranth> whyz: So that you don't open a potential security hole unless you know what you're doing.
[08:22] <whyz> Amaranth, ok, i'll check
[08:22] <Amaranth> kbdcb: If your sources.list points to hoary and you've run apt-get update after removing marilliat repos mplayer should be there
[08:23] <rubenv> Amaranth: I see, but when applying this license to eg a library with some utility functions, how would this restrain the freedom of a system?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I think he needs multiverse?
[08:23] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Possibly, I have them all.
[08:23] <UnreA|L> How safe ASCII picture if i wan show he with linux_logo -D ...
[08:23] <kbdcb> Amaranth, It isnt.. Can I paste something in privmsg?
[08:23] <UnreA|L> ?
[08:23] <whyz> Amaranth, can you give me the line to change? i'm trying to explain to a friend and can't see his config :/
[08:23] <rubenv> *sigh* All this legalese crap will one day drive me away from free software
[08:23] <Amaranth> rubenv: It wouldn't but they can't allow it for one thing and not another.
[08:23] <whyz> it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config , right?
[08:24] <Amaranth> rubenv: Because the license itself doens't meet DSFG standards.
[08:24] <Amaranth> whyz: I don't run sshd on my system.
[08:24] <holycow> rubenv, what, you think the other side is different?
[08:24] <holycow> there is actually more legalese on the other side because EVERY SINGLE COMPANY has their own licence!
[08:24] <holycow> not only one, usually they have millions of versions
[08:25] <holycow> ever try to be legal according to ms licencing?
[08:25] <Amaranth> ha
[08:25] <Amaranth> you'd need a team of lawyers
[08:25] <holycow> my god, office 97 alone has at least 3 different licences, never mind all the other licences upon licences that they have
[08:25] <rubenv> holycow: what is the value of an OSI approved license exactly?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: mplayer-586 is in multiverse according to `apt-cache policy mplayer-586`
[08:25] <Amaranth> rubenv: That's it's possible to consider it a real open source license.
[08:26] <Amaranth> rubenv: Debian is a little more strict.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: you need to enable multiverse repository
[08:26] <holycow> rubenv, 1) it deems the licence as 'free' as in 'free speech' which is important for the ecosystem (i.e. you get to reuse that is licenced under such a licence)
[08:26] <holycow> and 2) you deal with a handfull or two of licences, you don't have millions of licences per company
[08:26] <kbdcb> thoreauputic, where can I find those?
[08:26] <lotusleaf> ladies and gentlemen, welcome to #ubuntu-politics ;P
[08:27] <holycow> do you have any idea how many licences ms has in total? for all of their products?
[08:27] <holycow> jesus f christ
[08:27] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto  << tells you how
[08:27] <rubenv> but still, afther being open source certified, it's still not usable?
[08:27] <lotusleaf> on a pogo stick
[08:27] <tarzeau> someone play bub-n-bros.sf.net with me?
[08:27] <holycow> rubenv, not usable? what does that even mean?
[08:27] <lotusleaf> tarzeau: try #gametome
[08:27] <holycow> rubenv, the licence basically says 'heres some free stuff, the terms are basically you must share fairly'
[08:27] <rubenv> not usable as in: we won't use it because it doesn't comply to the GPL
[08:28] <holycow> rubenv, or alternatively 'you go screw your self and write your own from scratch'
[08:28] <holycow> basically it asks that everyone plays fair
[08:28] <kbdcb> thoreauputic, Okey thanks
[08:28] <tarzeau> lotusleaf: thanks
[08:28] <kbdcb> Amaranth, one question.. why shouldn't I use marillat?
[08:28] <holycow> rubenv, *shrug* depends on the situation, depends on the authors values
[08:28] <holycow> people are free not to gpl anything, and consequently are free also not to use any gpl stuff
[08:28] <Amaranth> kbdcb: It's for Debian, not Ubuntu so it breaks things randomly.
[08:28] <lotusleaf> tarzeau: yw
[08:28] <holycow> for example, you are free to write your own kernel if you like
[08:29] <holycow> *cough*
[08:29] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Or at least very easily could at any time.
[08:29] <rubenv> I was thinking on taking IT law as a class next year
[08:29] <kbdcb> Amaranth, Really? But the Unofficial Guide tells me to add them
[08:29] <holycow> rubenv, see, the problem isn't the licence, the problem that people take all this free stuff for granted
[08:29] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: basically for "multiverse" add that word after "universe"
[08:29] <rubenv> that's out of the question now, it drives me nuts...
[08:29] <holycow> they think its all actually 'free' when its not
[08:29] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Note the "Unofficial" part.
[08:30] <Amaranth> kbdcb: The Ubuntu developers don't seem to like people using marillat or backports.
[08:30] <holycow> what happens is when you take away someones ability to actually use linux, all of a sudden they go, 'holy shit, i really value all this stuff, maybe i should actually abide by the authors only request to play fair'
[08:30] <osity> does anyone understand the partitions setup in ubuntu for raid?
[08:30] <rubenv> yeah but where's the problem with OSI certified licenses, do they actually mean anything on free software land, or are they just a nice label?
[08:30] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Or at least some of them.  Is there a way to undelete files in ubuntu? I'm using ext3, and I deleted some messages in thunderbird (and emptied its trash). Any idea??
[08:32] <rubenv> open source doesn't mean acceptable as in free, it seems
[08:32] <holycow> rubenv, sure that happens to everyone
[08:32] <fabbione> dtygel: no, there is no way to undelete a file on ext3
[08:32] <Amaranth> rubenv: Just because one group (OSI) considers a license free doesn't mean another group (Debian) does.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I think you may be out of luck
[08:33] <dtygel> thoreauputic: ok. It was a very hopeless deman... I had a tiny light of hope, though :(
[08:33] <rubenv> as I see it now, I'd rather go the OSI route then Debian's way
[08:33] <holycow> rubenv open source doesn't mean acceptable as in free, it seems  <-- thats also stupid
[08:34] <holycow> rubenv, maybe your a little tired or something, you are eitehr very tired, or deliberately misinterpreting the issue
[08:34] <thoreauputic> dtygel: it's a good idea to back up your stuff ( sorry to state the obvious)
[08:34] <Amaranth> rubenv: Open Source != Free Software
[08:34] <rubenv> holycow: no, I got lost along the way
[08:34] <Predius> According to the FSF it is. =D
[08:36] <Amaranth> Predius doesn't know what he is talking about. :/
[08:37] <rubenv> I'll just accept the fact that though OSI approved, I can't use ASPL2 stuff
[08:37] <rubenv> petty, cause there's plenty of fun things that would make a lot of magic
[08:38] <rubenv> *pity
[08:38] <lotusleaf> 8[08:38] <jamesio2> ok, now let's talk about religion  ;)
[08:38] <ermo> rubenv: You *CAN* use APSL2 stuff. Just don't expect it to bee included in debian 'main'
[08:38] <Jimbob> Anyone know what's up with breezy's repo and the "invalid signatures" warning.
[08:38] <Jimbob> s/./?/
[08:39] <dtygel> thoreauputic: I made backups, I have backups, but I don't know how to recover only erased messages in them. The problem is that I always erased those messages right after I received them. And now the mailman server that served my mail-list broke down! And I want to recover the e-mails which were subscribed...
[08:40] <rubenv> ermo: that's exactly one of the reasons why I'm not a big Debian fan
[08:40] <rubenv> but that's personal opinion
[08:41] <gaussian88> Anyone here have problems connecting to an LDAP server from the version of EVOLUTION shipped with UBUNTU?????????????????????
[08:42] <Deep6> gaussian88, I do a little I've not looked a lot but I don't know where  to configure it
[08:42] <gaussian88> I put our LDAP setting is the Evolution --> Contacts --> LDAP address book, but the settings just seem to magically disappear.
[08:42] <gaussian88> We have a proper LDAP server.  We connect to it from our Fedora (yuk) computers, but Ubuntu and/or Evolution is having an issue.
[08:43] <gaussian88> should I go into more detail????
[08:43] <ermo> lotusleaf: But isn't politics a sideeffect of people trying to to define what means something to them. For FSF, it's all about the freedom to share your thoughts applied to the domain of software development. Surely that doesn't suck when you stop to think about it?
[08:44] <foo_> has anyone run Sybase ASE on Ubuntu?
[08:44] <ReleaseX> hello all
[08:45] <jamesio2> howdy
[08:45] <Deep6> gaussian88, ok I managed to find out how to set it up now, and I can't connect to ours either...
[08:45] <ermo> lotusleaf: But from that principle comes a sh*tload of bothersome details. And I hate those details too, btw.
[08:45] <HappyFool> i've written a page on the ubuntu wiki, and one of the comments I've made is that it *might* be unsafe to edit /etc/modules -- is this overly conservative? What could realistically go wrong? (page is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto)
[08:46] <gaussian88> Deep6: are you having problems with configuring the "address book properties" under the "details" tab?
[08:46] <Deep6> gaussian88, hold
[08:46] <matthias_> hi there?
[08:47] <gaussian88> Deep6: Regardless of what is entered in the "search base" field, the entries just disappear once the window is closed.
[08:47] <Deep6> gaussian88, I can't even connect
[08:47] <gaussian88> Deep6: Yeah - Because of this, I doubt ANYONE will EVER be able to connect to an LDAP server
[08:47] <gaussian88> hmmmmmm
[08:48] <gaussian88> Don't know if this is an Evolution thing, or an "evolution shipped with Ubuntu" thing.     ;)
[08:48] <ermo> Amaranth: off the top of your head, do you know any alternative to debian-marillat?
[08:48] <Deep6> gaussian88, my search base stays
[08:48] <gaussian88> oh my
[08:48] <Amaranth> ermo: well, the backports folks are working on it, i think
[08:48] <gaussian88> I was afraid of that
[08:48] <Amaranth> ermo: But the backports project seems to be disliked as well. :D
[08:49] <gaussian88> I've installed Ubuntu several times, and none of them kept the settings there
[08:49] <Amaranth> ermo: Because it makes it hard to upgrade to a new version of ubuntu.
[08:50] <Deep6> gaussian88, if it's any consellation mine doesn't work despite me having the correct info
[08:50] <osity> Predius: hey man .....werent you helping me out with raid the other day?
[08:51] <ermo> Amaranth: It may be just me, but how does installing codecs (which I do) affect an entire system, if said codecs are installed in a FSH compatible location? And not only that, but also in a 'debianized' way?
[08:51] <gaussian88> Deep6: your thoughts?
[08:51] <gaussian88> I've got none right now
[08:51] <gaussian88> Time to debug I guess.     :p
[08:51] <gaussian88> :-p
[08:52] <gaussian88> what really bugs me is, if I click "find possible search bases", it finds our search base properly.   and automatically.  It just doesn't connect nor hold the settings in the window.
[08:52] <abarbaccia> hey - anybody here a developer for ubuntu?  I want to know how I can get more involved
[08:53] <gaussian88> I just keep getting "The search did not complete succssfully"
[08:53] <gaussian88> grrrrr
[08:54] <Amaranth> ermo: If Ubuntu hoary has them but the marillat or backports versions are newer they may or may not get upgraded to their Ubuntu breezy versions even if the breezy versions are actually newer
[08:54] <Amaranth> ermo: Although for some packages you would be safe using marillat and backports. If you choose to use them turn them on, install the one package you want, then turn them off right away.
[08:54] <warty> #skate
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> somebody go to linspire.com and see if "your account" exists with your real e-mail address
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> I just went there and they had me logged in and everything
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> first visit.
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> why the hell do they have access to that info?
[08:55] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: #ubuntu-devel is the developer hangout and #ubuntu-motu is the Masters of the Universe channel, the place were universe hackers talk. You'd probably be doing things in universe so you'll want to join both.
[08:55] <ermo> Amaranth: ah. I see where my mistake lies. Your comment is much appreciated.
[08:56] <jamesio2> yesterday someone was asking for help in a programming ide and many people said to use "xxxxx" application... and for the life of me, I can't remember what "xxxxx" was
[08:56] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Are you using a proxy?
[08:56] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I'm not getting logged in.
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  squid proxy here, but it doesn't have anythingi n it.
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  alright then.
[08:56] <ermo> Amaranth: Basically, if I pinned the debian-marrillat repo to have a lower priority be default and then just pinned the codecs package to have a high priority, I would be somewhat safe?
[08:57] <AirWays> Hmm
[08:57] <Amaranth> ermo: Some of those codecs might be in Ubuntu.   I never saw their site though, I just have an account for no reason.
[08:57] <ermo> Amaranth: since that would give me just the one component (w32codecs) I need?
[08:57] <abarbaccia> Amaranth, thanks for the help
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> at any rate, does anyone have any experiencewith linspire?  o.o we have it at work and I want to sell it.
[08:57] <AirWays> When I'm trying to install aMule and I put this to terminal: sudo apt-get install amule <-- Terminal says to packet not found, why?
[08:58] <jfk303> jamesio2,  eclipse aybe
[08:58] <ermo> Amaranth: methinks fiddling with it a bit is in order ^_^
[08:58] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: We're all Ubuntu users...
[08:59] <jamesio2> jfk303, is that in a repository?  I did a search in synaptic and didn't find it
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  well so am I but I've tried mandrake, suse, red hat, fedora core, slackware, and Gentoo
[09:00] <lok> I look for a hoary backports mirror which works right know
[09:00] <lok> -k
[09:00] <jfk303> jamesio2, give me a minute I can't remember
[09:01] <osity> i nned help setting up raid partitions
[09:01] <osity> *need
[09:01] <AirWays> When I'm trying to install aMule and I put this to terminal: sudo apt-get install amule <-- Terminal says to packet not found, why?
[09:02] <jamesio2> jfk303, no prob.  I did find eclipse.org.  it looks pretty interesting.
[09:02] <jfk303> jamesio2, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE this worked for me...
[09:03] <thenuke> AirWays: Always check http://ubuntuguide.org/ before asking simple questions from IRC
[09:03] <mvirkkil> Any news about the CD shipments?
[09:03] <jamesio2> jfk303, thanks
[09:03] <jfk303> jamesio2,  try #eclipse aswell, there a bit slow but v. friendly...
[09:03] <thenuke> AirWays: Follow every step in there in "how to install amule -section"
[09:03] <AirWays> Well there is only: sudo apt-get install amule
[09:03] <jamesio2> jfk303, "a bit slow" ... is that a comment on their abilities, or their response time?   ;)
[09:04] <thenuke> AirWays: well, you obviously did not read it enough
[09:04] <thenuke> AirWays: and skipped the second part of it.
[09:04] <thenuke> AirWays: 2. #
[09:04] <thenuke> # Read How to add extra repositories?
[09:04] <thenuke> #
[09:04] <thenuke> oops
[09:04] <thenuke> click that link
[09:05] <thenuke> and do what it says, it's not pointed to you in there just for fun you know :)
[09:05] <jfk303> jamesio2, lol no, their abilities are good! lol, just sometimes response times, might be because I'm in the UK
[09:05] <jono> hi all
[09:05] <goldfish_> hi jono
[09:06] <jono> can anyone suggest a simple to set up and use imap server?
[09:06] <jono> hi goldfish_
[09:06] <jfk303> jamesio2, middle of the night etc...???
[09:06] <gaussian88> ACTION <--- would like to ask a favor from a few people here if it's not too much trouble:  Please go to Evolution --> Contacts --> Right click on "on LDAP servers" and create a new address book --> Go to the properties of the new LDAP address book, then go to the DETAILS tab, then enter in anything for the SEARCH BASE.   Click OK, then go back into the properties --> details and see if your settings for the SEARCH BASE are there.
[09:06] <gaussian88> I would like to know if anyone else if having this issue.
[09:06] <jfk303> :)
[09:06] <jamesio2> jfk303, hehehe... k.  I'm in New Orleans, so I hope I do better.
[09:07] <jamesio2> jfk303, I just wish I could remember what app the guy was asking about.  it looked really impressive.
[09:07] <jamesio2> brb
[09:07] <gaussian88> jono: r u connecting to an existing IMAP server or do you want to CREATE one?
[09:07] <Levander> What the dpkg command to reconfigure my X configuration?  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system" didn't work.
[09:07] <jono> gaussian88, to create one
[09:07] <goldfish_> Levander: xserver-xorg
[09:07] <goldfish_> Levander: if you are on hoary
[09:08] <Levander> thanks goldfish_, am using hoary
[09:08] <goldfish_> kk
[09:08] <gaussian88> jono: Sorry.  I'm no help in that dept.   However, I do know a few people using desknow for their email/collab server.  They seem very happy with it.   probably www.desknow.org or com.
[09:08] <Anubis> http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[09:08] <Amaranth> Anubis: That's old.
[09:08] <Amaranth> Anubis: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:09] <jfk303> jamesio2,  yeah, ok, describe what it did
[09:09] <Anubis> Amaranth, the real question is : Does the "new" one work?
[09:09] <Amaranth> Anubis: Yes.
[09:09] <Amaranth> Anubis: Except that you can't add anything to the new menus you create.
[09:09] <jamesio> jfk303, well it was a c++ ide.  it looked almost exactly like microsoft studio
[09:09] <Amaranth> Anubis: But all the other stuff works.
[09:10] <Amaranth> Anubis: For instance, I couldn't find anything I couldn't delete. :)
[09:10] <jamesio> jfk303, I want to say it started with an A
[09:10] <jfk303> sorry man, no clue
[09:10] <safrax> Anjuta?
[09:10] <jamesio> that's it
[09:10] <jamesio> thanks
[09:10] <jfk303> woo
[09:10] <jamesio> hehe
[09:10] <jamesio> I knew it was an A name
[09:11] <jamesio> my a.d.d. isn't that bad
[09:11] <jfk303> I love this place
[09:12] <jamesio> I'm going to use this place a lot...
[09:12] <jamesio> as I keep telling everyone, I'm "moving my life to linux"
[09:12] <Levander> how do I cancel out of this dpkg-reconfigure script?  Ctrl-C isn't working
[09:12] <Anubis> Amaranth, the damn thing is still broken
[09:12] <Anubis> it does not show the double Realplayer menu entries
[09:13] <Anubis> so I can I delete the duplicate entry?
[09:13] <Anubis> where is the delete option?!
[09:13] <Anubis> lol
[09:13] <Amaranth> Anubis: You need to get the new pyxdg, gnome-menus, and wipe out all your old changes.
[09:13] <Anubis> wow
[09:14] <Amaranth> Anubis: And saying "the damn thing is still broken" doesn't make me want to work on it very much.
[09:14] <Anubis> huh?
[09:14] <Anubis> I don't understand that
[09:14] <jamesio> anyone know of a good desktop wallpaper changer?
[09:14] <Amaranth> Anubis: I'm in the meeting right now, don't have time to explain.
[09:14] <Anubis> why would my menu not be updated if my system is updated?
[09:14] <Amaranth> Anubis: Use the getlatest.py script.
[09:15] <Anubis> k
[09:15] <Anubis> thanks
[09:15] <Anubis> did not mean to offend anyone
[09:15] <osity> where are the raid guys at?
[09:15] <jamesio> and a good system monitor that sits on the desktop?
[09:15] <Anubis> just does not make sense to me to make a DE without a menu editor
[09:15] <Anubis> I'm mad at gnome
[09:16] <Anubis> jamesh, plenty
[09:16] <tritium> Anubis, not all apps have yet started using the freedesktop.org standards.
[09:16] <Anubis> jamesio, plenty
[09:16] <Amaranth> Anubis: They needed to push the new menu spec asap.
[09:16] <Amaranth> And yes, my menu editor doesn't work on apps that don't use the new spec, even though they show up in your menu.
[09:16] <Amaranth> Like crossover office things.
[09:16] <jamesio> anubis, I've always seen people's desktops in the screenshot list, but they never say what they're running
[09:16] <jamesio> anubis, and I always see cool little apps running...
[09:17] <florian> hi
[09:17] <jamesio> anubis, just trying to make a list of things I "need to check out"
[09:18] <florian> what plugins do i need to play mp3s?
[09:18] <shadow255> has anyone seen a problem using Hoary with dialup connection where the system connects with pppd at boot automatically, before the user even logs in?
[09:20] <Anubis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:20] <Anubis>  libgnome-menu0_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb
[09:20] <Anubis>  libgnome-menu0
[09:20] <Anubis> jamesio, gkrellm, gdesktops. Done
[09:21] <Anubis> Amaranth, script was not too nice to me either
[09:21] <Amaranth> Anubis: Oy, I don't know why that happens.
[09:22] <Anubis> and very simply
[09:22] <Anubis> where is the "delete" option
[09:22] <Amaranth> Anubis: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/gnome-menus_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/libgnome-menu0_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb
[09:22] <Amaranth> Anubis: x86 only
[09:23] <Amaranth> Anubis: Then run rm ~/.local/share/applications/* ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/* ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[09:23] <HappyFool> shadow255: what problems are you having?
[09:23] <Amaranth> Anubis: And ignore the warnings that command gives you
[09:24] <shadow255> HappyFool: well, setting up Hoary for a friend who only has dialup, after running pppconfig and making some false starts (wrong username!), got the dial-up working...
[09:24] <Thorrn4> Hello!! I just changed my graphics card, and I cannot boot into Ubuntu...the X Windows, I think it said, is not working (Im on a live cd right now)
[09:25] <shadow255> HappyFool: then initiated the Gnome Modem Monitor to see how it would work for her, with the result being that now every time her system is booted, it automatically dials her ISP before presenting login!
[09:25] <HarrisonF> those pesky gnomes dialing your modem!
[09:25] <jamesio> anubis, thanks.  I'm installing gkrellm now
[09:25] <HappyFool> yeah, i had that too
[09:25] <shadow255> HarrisonF: hehe
[09:25] <HappyFool> I used pppconfig instead
[09:25] <Anubis> Amaranth, will there be a delete option after all this?
[09:25] <Amaranth> Anubis: There is one, yes.
[09:25] <Anubis> thanks
[09:25] <HappyFool> i couldn't figure out how to switch that dialup-on-boot off
[09:25] <Amaranth> Anubis: For entries and menus.
[09:25] <shadow255> HappyFool: pppconfig worked, but I was hoping the panel applet for the modem monitor would make it simpler for her to control the connection
[09:25] <Amaranth> Anubis: And I couldn't find an entry I couldn't delete, even the kde ones.
[09:26] <Thorrn4> can someone help me with my problem?
[09:26] <AirWays> I have put this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary <- to sources.list file and i'm trying to apt-get install amule but terminal says to that file not found
[09:26] <AirWays> Why
[09:26] <HappyFool> shadow255: i don't think the hoary modem applet will help
[09:26] <HappyFool> the warty one did "the right thing"
[09:27] <HappyFool> maybe you can add one launcher to do a "pon", and another to do "poff" ?
[09:27] <shadow255> HappyFool: I've reached the same conclusion, modem lights seemed to work well, modem monitor is a disaster
[09:27] <HappyFool> and add a network monitor to show (sort of) connection status on ppp0
[09:27] <shadow255> HappyFool: yeah, you're right, a script with a panel launcher is probably the way to go
[09:28] <HappyFool> i get the feeling dialup is a poor second cousin these days ;) i guess most people have adsl or something else
[09:28] <shadow255> HappyFool: I think that's right too, unfortunately, not everyone is ready for broadband for various reasons :(
[09:28] <AirWays> I have put this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary <- to sources.list file and i'm trying to apt-get install amule but terminal says to that file not found .. Whats wrong?
[09:29] <shadow255> HappyFool: now that we have that problem of dial-on-boot, what's the best way to get it stopped?
[09:29] <HappyFool> i think i disabled the interface in gnome altogether
[09:29] <shadow255> what a pain ;)
[09:30] <HappyFool> System->Admin->Networking, click on Modem Connection, then Properties, then click the "This device is configured" off
[09:30] <HappyFool> yeah
[09:30] <Anubis> Amaranth, should I restart Gnome or just killall -9 gnome-panel?
[09:30] <Amaranth> Anubis: Shouldn't need to do either.
[09:30] <Anubis> k
[09:30] <HappyFool> i don't see why there isn't a "dialup on boot" setting
[09:30] <HappyFool> daft
[09:30] <Anubis> ahhhh
[09:31] <Anubis> the duplicate is gone!
[09:31] <shadow255> HappyFool: cool, thanks for that tip, going to find out if X forwarding will work with that system (we're a long way from the friend's place!)
[09:31] <Anubis> no need for smeg at the moment!
[09:31] <Amaranth> Anubis: heh
[09:31] <jamesio> anubis, gkrellm is way too cool
[09:31] <Anubis> yes!
[09:31] <Anubis> Amaranth, Thanks man!
[09:31] <jamesio> the plasma hd monitor is funny
[09:31] <teleyinex> hi
[09:31] <Amaranth> Anubis: But if you used smeg to change it and got the duplicate because of that your change is gone.
[09:31] <Anubis> jamesio, it is, glad to be of help.
[09:31] <Levander> If while I'm inside GNOME and X, I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, going back to GDM and have to relogin, does that re-read my xorg.conf file?
[09:32] <teleyinex> i have tried kubuntu-desktop and hangs very easily
[09:32] <Levander> Just need to know because I modified my configuration and want an eay way to test.
[09:32] <teleyinex> dunno why but i have deinstalled
[09:32] <Anubis> Amaranth, Yeah I used the old menu-editor to add Realplayer and it resulted in duplicate that i could not remove
[09:32] <Anubis> until now
[09:32] <Anubis> Very appreceiative
[09:32] <HappyFool> shadow255: good luck ;)
[09:32] <Anubis> I'm obsessive and that was really bugging me
[09:32] <HappyFool> Levander: yeah, i thing it does
[09:32] <Anubis> thanks again
[09:33] <shadow255> HappyFool: many thanks :)
[09:33] <AirWays> I have put this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary <- to sources.list file and i'm trying to apt-get install amule but terminal says to that file not found .. Whats wrong?
[09:33] <Anubis> jamesio, i like the glass and invisible themes for gkrellm
[09:33] <Levander> HappyFool: okay, thanks, it'd be nice to know for sure though...
[09:34] <crimsun> AirWays: the archive is currently broken, it's being fixed.
[09:34] <Anubis> Gdesklets uses Python, and one or both after 14days starts to suck up my swap
[09:34] <crimsun> AirWays: many packages will be uninstallable for a few hours
[09:34] <HappyFool> Levander: guess you've seen this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#restartgnomewithoutreboot
[09:34] <AirWays> Ah okay
[09:35] <Levander> HappyFool: okay, thanks, somebody just said same thing you did in #debian, two sources saying "should" is good enough for me
[09:35] <Levander> HappyFool: thanks
[09:35] <osity> Anyone setup up raid on ubuntu?
[09:36] <jamesio> anubis, where can I get those?
[09:36] <Levander> osity: on #fedora, somebody was telling me ubuntu doesn't have the greatest raid software, supposed to be one of its weaknesses, but I don't know
[09:37] <osity> levander thanks!
[09:37] <zoddan> what is the name of the applet for KDE so i can see my WLAN stat and battery in taskbar ?
[09:38] <blk> hey has anyone tried initng? i did and i'm quite impressed! now i'm looking for someone who'd want to put up a manual into the wiki, maybe even make a deb. (i don't have a lot of experience with creating debs) - there are still some rough edges, main matter is de-gentooing and debianizing these config files
[09:39] <crimsun> blk: you should bring that up in the kickoff meeting (#ubuntu-meeting), but be aware there's an agenda, and the meeting is slated to last quite a while
[09:40] <Echylo> how can you move a whole dir with terminal?
[09:40] <blk> crimsun: ok, i'll inform myself about that meeting
[09:40] <Levander> Echylo: mv -r it think, but the answer to your questin is definitely yes
[09:41] <crimsun> blk: (http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs)
[09:41] <Levander> mv -r I think*
[09:41] <Echylo> :)
[09:41] <chrissturm> just mv
[09:41] <Echylo> thanks :)
[09:41] <HappyFool> just mv
[09:41] <Echylo> owke :D
[09:41] <osity> how do i find out what channel a user is in ?
[09:41] <Levander> yeah, i think HappyFool's right about "just mv"
[09:41] <blk> crimsun: thanks
[09:41] <goldfish_> osity: /wi user
[09:41] <chrissturm> ./whois user
[09:41] <osity> thanks
[09:41] <HappyFool> mv <olddir> <wherever>
[09:41] <HappyFool> it would be very hard to move a directory and *not* it's contents, after all ;)
[09:42] <Levander> HappyFool: but if <wherever> already exists, won't that move <olddir> to <wherever>/<olddir>?
[09:42] <Echylo> jup, mv does it work just fine
[09:42] <HappyFool> yeah
[09:42] <Echylo> but It won't overwrite a existing dir
[09:42] <HappyFool> thought that's what he wanted
[09:42] <Levander> HappyFool: think u gotta "rm <olddir>" first
[09:42] <Echylo> how should you move it? if you delete it first?
[09:42] <Levander> or "rm -r <olddir> first
[09:43] <Echylo> the contents need to be moved too
[09:43] <chrissturm> levander: so you remove it and then move it :)
[09:43] <goldfish_> rm -rf <dir?
[09:43] <Levander> your remove the target, then move the source
[09:43] <Levander> goldfish_: yeah, if there are some write protected files, -f will ignore all the warnings about rm'ing them
[09:44] <xc> damn, gnome is slow and sluggish on my p2-400 with 128mb ram
[09:44] <xc> thought it would be still good enough to run ubuntu just fine
[09:45] <Levander> xc: best hardware upgrade would be more memory if possible
[09:45] <xc> yeah I know
[09:45] <xc> but sdram is expensive :P
[09:45] <SymGeosis> Is anybody else having problems with Backports? I keep getting "500 not found" error messages
[09:45] <Levander> xc: sometimes I start swapping and things get slow with 512MB
[09:45] <Levander> but I run a lotta servers sometimes
[09:45] <Levander> that I'm developing with
[09:45] <xc> checking ebay for a good ram deal now
[09:45] <Levander> SymGeosis: ppl are recommended not to use backports because of problems like that
[09:45] <HappyFool> xc: how about something like xfce? (not that i've used it, but it's supposed to be lightweight?)
[09:46] <djm62> xc: ebuyer might be as good
[09:46] <shadow255> xc: anything below pIII is probably best run headless nowadays, or with an extremely minimalist desktop environment
[09:46] <Levander> SymGeosis: that one just means that backports is down
[09:46] <xc> HappyFool: might be worth a try
[09:46] <djm62> xc: they price stuff dynamically, so you can wait for the volatile RAM market to go down before you buy
[09:46] <SymGeosis> Levander, I figured that though being new to Ubuntu I wasn't sure. Any other suggestions for package servers then?
[09:46] <Levander> SymGeosis: I stick to the ubuntu repositories
[09:47] <SymGeosis> Alright then.
[09:47] <Levander> SymGeosis: what do u need not in the ubuntu ones?
[09:47] <djm62> I have used gnome2 on an original pentium...
[09:47] <Levander> SymGeosis: don't install anything unless your going to use it
[09:48] <Levander> SymGeosis: if you want something that the ubuntuguide pionts you somewhere else for, it's prolly not in the ubuntu repositories
[09:48] <SymGeosis> Well, I wouldn't see much reason in installing something I *didn't* need. ;)
[09:48] <Levander> SymGeosis: your best bet would be to get it from wherever ubuntuguide tells you to get it from, seems like writers of that page knew what they were talking about, prolly recommend good sources
[09:49] <Levander> SymGeosis: you'd be surprised, i was talking to a guy on here a couple of days ago who was just installing everything that sounded neat
[09:49] <SymGeosis> Levander, bah.
[09:49] <aeolist> what's so weird about that?
[09:49] <aeolist> if he was totally new
[09:49] <aeolist> it's ok
[09:49] <Levander> SymGeosis: ubuntuguide doesn't recommend using backports anywhere does it?
[09:49] <SymGeosis> I can't imagine what one would need outside of IRC, IM, and coding tools.
[09:50] <SymGeosis> It was in the wiki...
[09:50] <Levander> aeolist: i just had to tell him not to do that was all
[09:50] <Adyeths> I install stuff that sounds neat. to see what its like. (but then I uninstall it if I don't like it. heh.)
[09:50] <Levander> Adyeths: yeah, but this guy was like installing all of merillat, which isn't even based on ubuntu even though most of the stuff installs okay
[09:51] <Adyeths> ouch. heh.
[09:51] <Levander> and he was asking me why he was having problems with the install
[09:51] <Levander> i fixed one or two before i realized what he was doing
[09:51] <Thorrn4> Hello!! I'm having a problem...I recently changed my Graphics Card, and now I cannot boot into Ubuntu...what must I do?   That's just the first thing to check
[09:52] <Thorrn4> an NVidia 5200
[09:52] <SymGeosis> Levander, here's the link: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowCome
[09:52] <shadow255> drspin: what sucks even more is that that's not always the case ;)
[09:52] <Adyeths> oooh, why doens't ubuntu include setserial? I needed that to get my modem to work. (yes, I'm one of those unfortunate souls that still uses dialup)
[09:52] <drspin> but the simplest way to burn music cd's
[09:52] <osity> where can i get ubuntu raid partitioner help?
[09:52] <drspin> shadow255: please explina
[09:52] <drspin> *explain
[09:52] <tritium> Adyeths, you can install it
[09:52] <Adyeths> I did.
[09:53] <Adyeths> but... had I not made sure my modem worked with what was on the cd I wouldn't have been able to get online.
[09:53] <Levander> Adyeths: that looks like a good page, also, use http://www.ubuntuguide.org - any time there's something not on my system, i check that page first before I install it to see if it says anything about it
[09:53] <Thorrn4> Levander, my Mepis Live CD seems to find it...it was loaded in the boot u
[09:53] <Adyeths> and unfortunately, setserial isn't on the cd. (but fortunately for me I was smart enough to make sure I had it before installing. heh.)
[09:53] <Thorrn4> p
[09:53] <shadow255> drspin: it seems to vary from install to install, hardware has a lot to do with it, but some people don't have problems with burning with kernel 2.6.x as non-root, while others can't do it
[09:53] <Levander> Thorrn4: so then the hardware is plugged in correctly
[09:54] <drspin> shadow255: I had no trouble in warty
[09:54] <Levander> Thorrn4: sorry, don't know much about the LiveCD
[09:54] <drspin> shadow255: perhaps drive permissions
[09:54] <shadow255> drspin: could be that, depends on what errors you're getting when you try as non-superuser
[09:54] <Adyeths> that was actually the only thing that gave me any trouble with installing ubuntu.
[09:54] <drspin> won't detect the media...
[09:54] <drspin> shadow255: won't detect the media
[09:55] <Adyeths> btw, I love this thing. It may be my imagination but things just seem to look better in ubuntu.
[09:57] <Adyeths> me too. and so was my friend.
[09:57] <SymGeosis> Got tired of always messing around with config files in FreeBSD.
[09:57] <SymGeosis> And compiling stuff.
[09:58] <Adyeths> everything just works. no fighting with things.
[09:58] <Adyeths> thats not something I'm used to. lol.
[09:58] <organon> that sounds too good :)
[09:59] <HappyFool> Adyeths: hah. try getting a winmodem to work ;) (wasn't too hard, but did requiring patching and compiling)
[09:59] <shadow255> Adyeths: I second that...  updated an outdated installation of RH (7.1!) with Hoary and found things working that didn't work before :)
[09:59] <Adyeths> I don't have a winmodem thank god. lol.
[09:59] <SymGeosis> Feh, winmodems == the bane of my existence.
[10:00] <HappyFool> yeah. i sacrifice ram chips to the adsl gods every night, but no luck
[10:00] <Marble2> Why does my sound keep skipping in amarok, it just started
[10:03] <crimsun> Marble2: which backend are you using? (engine)
[10:04] <Marble2> xine
[10:04] <Marble2> but videos play fine using totem-xine
[10:04] <Marble2> soundwise
[10:04] <Marble2> so I don't think it's the engine
[10:04] <theDCp-> hello
[10:05] <theDCp-> wow there are alot of ubuntu supporters
[10:05] <goldfish_> theDCp-: hey
[10:05] <theDCp-> hey
[10:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> anyone know of opensource software that downloads streaming media?
[10:06] <Marble2> crimsun?
[10:06] <SymGeosis> helix
[10:06] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, streamripper
[10:06] <crimsun> Marble2: try mv'ing ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/ and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc out of the way and restarting amarok
[10:06] <theDCp-> ok I be back some other time tc all
[10:06] <crimsun> Marble2: sorry, I'm both at work and in a meeting right now
[10:06] <theDCp-> !kill
[10:06] <mvirkkil> Any news about the CD shipments?
[10:07] <Marble2> ok
[10:07] <tritium> FlyingSquirrel32, I found icecream and streamripper (apt-cache search stream | grep download)
[10:07] <Marble2> ty
[10:07] <osity> how do i find people in other channels?
[10:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> cool, thanks
[10:08] <tritium> FlyingSquirrel32, apt-cache search is very useful...
[10:08] <Adyeths> I about went nuts waiting for the cd's I ordered. Fortunately a good soul who has a cable modem downloaded the cd images and burned them for me. heh.
[10:08] <SymGeosis> osity, You could try a whois.
[10:08] <osity> whats the command
[10:08] <jamesio> anyone have any experience with freenx?
[10:08] <SymGeosis> ...if you know their nick.
[10:08] <goldfish_> osity: whoa re you looking for?
[10:09] <osity> a guy named anethema
[10:09] <SymGeosis> osity, /whois [nick]
[10:09] <osity> anethema No such nick/channel
[10:09] <HappyFool> more likely anathema, if memory serves
[10:09] <HappyFool> he's a reg here, isn't he?
[10:09] <osity> i guesss that means he's not on
[10:09] <osity> i thnk so
[10:10] <osity> it's anethema......
[10:10] <osity> HappyFool: have you setup raid on ubuntu ?
[10:11] <HappyFool> nope, sorry
[10:11] <osity> has anyone done any raid on ubuntu?
[10:12] <HappyFool> nothing on the wiki, i take it?
[10:12] <Fackamato> osity: Shouldn't be any problems, it's kernel specific, Ubuntu has very little to do with it
[10:12] <osity> Fackamato: i dont know how to partiotion
[10:12] <Fackamato> cfdisk device
[10:13] <osity> i at the screen but im not sure how to partition it
[10:13] <osity> if you manually partition it gives an option for raid config
[10:13] <HappyFool> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1 seems a little cryptic. and may be applicable to warty only (?)
[10:13] <SymGeosis> Though if you want to use fdisk you're going to need to read the man page to figure out what you want to do.
[10:14] <goldfish_> how do you make a folder world writeable?
[10:14] <goldfish_> what chmod value .....
[10:14] <HappyFool> chmod o+rwx <foldername>
[10:14] <queuetue> Sorry, offtopic : U.S. Citizens, the REAL ID act is being voted on tomorrow.  To learn more about this "easily machine readable national ID card and database" and contact your senators, go to http://www.unrealid.com - and that's all I'll say about it.
[10:14] <HappyFool> or maybe "chmod -R o+rwX foldername", or something like that to change contents too
[10:15] <goldfish_> yeah it's empty i just want it world writeable though
[10:15] <goldfish_> thanks guys
[10:17] <HappyFool> oisty: read this? http://www.linux-sxs.org/hardware/raid_for_idiots.html
[10:17] <snugglebunny> queuetue, just welcome your new machine overlords with open arms.
[10:17] <osity> thanks happy!
[10:17] <HappyFool> not ubuntu specific, i don't think
[10:18] <WeirdAl> Hello.  No GUI will allow me to configure my SUPPORTED card (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino) ipw2200 which, according to the Ubuntu Hardware Suport Wifi Network Cards wiki, works out of the box) AND repeated postings on the forums have failed. Has ANYONE else had this issue?
[10:19] <JairunCaloth> Do you have any par files or any other way to check the integrity of the files that make up the archive?
[10:19] <IFR> I have used command line iwconig which SOMETIMES gets the desired result
[10:19] <WeirdAl> I don't see a par file.
[10:19] <IFR> But it is as if ubuntu locks up the card and intermittantly interferes with the dhcp
[10:19] <djm62> I thought we were due a load of mutually incompatible ID cards across the world, all with state-of-the-art (ie untested) encryption, and central databases that any ID thieves can get access to?
[10:20] <djm62> a world of...profit ;)
[10:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> Those programs didn't work. I think those are only for shoutcast. I need something like "stream down" for linux.
[10:21] <WeirdAl> I do have one way to check the integrity
[10:24] <SymGeosis> I don't remember what I set my root password too. =(
[10:24] <WeirdAl> use sudo
[10:24] <AMIGrAve> is ubuntu supposed to be installable on a 64Mo i386 computer ?
[10:24] <WeirdAl> reset it with sudo passswd
[10:24] <HappyFool> or just stick to sudo
[10:24] <SymGeosis> WeirdAl, good idea. Don't usually install sudo on my boxes so that never occured to me.
[10:25] <WeirdAl> Standard with ubuntu
[10:25] <SymGeosis> Yeah.
[10:25] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, what streams do you want to save?
[10:25] <HappyFool> if you really need a shell you can do sudo -s, or sudo -H -s
[10:25] <Thorrn4> Hello!! What do I need to do to get my new Graphics Card to work? I just changed it...and not X server will not load
[10:25] <zL0w4zer0> I have a question about the Ubuntu 5.04 add-on. A couple of days ago I downloaded and installed this cd, but today I saw that there war a new version available. Can I just install the new add-on cd over the old one?
[10:25] <Fackamato> Thorrn4: details please
[10:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth, I need to record one of these webcasts. http://www.viavid.net/detailpage.aspx?sid=00002454
[10:26] <JairunCaloth> Well, that only took a about 6 or 7 hours
[10:26] <yamlo> When debian releases Sarge, will ubuntu make use of the update or has Ubuntu already taken a different path from Woody?
[10:26] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, ah your clue might be the evil .aspx in the URL
[10:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth, and...
[10:27] <mjr> yamlo, ubuntu is forked from debian sid somewhat independently of debian releases
[10:27] <Rubin> yamlo: ubuntu starts with sid
[10:27] <mjr> ubuntu releases, that is
[10:27] <yamlo> hmmm... it's sad really...
[10:27] <Rubin> yamlo: and has its own release cycle unrelated to debian's
[10:27] <WeirdAl> ta-ta
[10:27] <yamlo> Ubuntu should make use of it
[10:27] <Thorrn4> I recently changed my Video Card, from a Radeon 7000 to a NVidia 5200.....when I tried to boot it up, I get an X server error....and the GUI could not load
[10:27] <crimsun> AMIGrAve: yes, I've done several on 32 with a bit of low mem fudgery
[10:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth, the url to the actual file is: vmedia01.viavid.com/audio\00002454.asf
[10:27] <Rubin> yamlo: ubuntu is already past it
[10:28] <Burgundavia> yamlo, most of Ubuntu is newer than Sarge
[10:28] <Fackamato> What do I type to check all the current tcp connections? not lsof..
[10:28] <HappyFool> netstat
[10:28] <Burgundavia> yamlo, Ubuntu is based on Sid, the rolling unstable
[10:28] <yamlo> Burgundavia, well, that's great...
[10:28] <Rubin> Fackamato: netstat
[10:28] <HappyFool> e.g., netstat -ant
[10:28] <Burgundavia> yamlo, was that supposed to be sarcastic?
[10:28] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, you are dealing with the evil empires standard
[10:28] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, stand by i'm gettin you  a URL to poke a hole in their armor
[10:29] <yamlo> Burgundavia, no.. sorry... I mean, it's great!! I didn't want to feel old with Ubuntu.. but this is good news...
[10:29] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid adhfhdaf
[10:29] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 | grep -i essid
[10:29] <paulsen-> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[10:29] <paulsen-> What on earth am I doing wrong here?
[10:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> awsome...
[10:29] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, here you go, have fun! http://www.geocities.com/majormms/
[10:29] <Burgundavia> yamlo, just after Ubuntu releases, it syncs to Debian sid again, and then stays synced until the Upstream version freeze
[10:29] <Thorrn4> what can I do to fix it?
[10:29] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, i believe you will have to compile yourself, but it is worth it. with this you can download audio and video streams encoded in uncle billz codec
[10:30] <paulsen-> I'm using hoarty, and a Linksys WMP54GS PCI-card
[10:30] <paulsen-> ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 (Linksys,02/19/2004, <IP_ADDRESS>) loaded
[10:30] <paulsen-> any idea why it refuses to accept my essid setting?
[10:30] <yamlo> Burgundavia, what is sid?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> yamlo, Debian Unstable's codename
[10:30] <Amaranth> Most of ubuntu isn't newer than sarge. Someone did a large report on this.
[10:31] <Brooklyn_> Hi'
[10:32] <osity> anyone use the raid tools in the ubuntu partitioner
[10:32] <osity> ?
[10:32] <paulsen-> :|
[10:32] <lok> Amaranth Most of ubuntu isn't newer than sarge. Someone did a large report on this. <AHAHAHAH
[10:32] <chrissturm> how can i use find to remove all CVS dirs from a tree?
[10:32] <Brooklyn_> Can someone link me to the install guide, I cant seem to find the full guide for all the different platforms on the wiki
[10:32] <Amaranth> lok: ...
[10:32] <lok> well sarge will be realesed with gcc 3.3
[10:32] <Amaranth> lok: So was hoary.
[10:32] <lok> hoary 3.4
[10:33] <Amaranth> not for C++
[10:33] <paulsen-> why would one need the latest gcc version?
[10:33] <lok> look at kde gnome etc... versions are all below hoary's
[10:33] <thenuke> thenuke@Hero:~$ g++ --version
[10:33] <thenuke> g++ (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[10:33] <thenuke> ?
[10:33] <Amaranth> Those are the large noticable things.
[10:33] <Amaranth> hoary is ahead there
[10:33] <thenuke> so what's that "not for C++"
[10:34] <Amaranth> thenuke: I said C++ was using 3.3
[10:34] <Amaranth> thenuke: I guess C is too.
[10:34] <lok> paulsen, I don't need it but I can't stand when I heard that sarge will be more up to date than hoary
[10:34] <HappyFool> somebody claimed 3.4 for hoary
[10:34] <paulsen-> Well, I dont know about you guys
[10:34] <Amaranth> lok: You need to learn more before you try to talk about this.
[10:34] <crimsun> the default gcc is 3.3, as is g++
[10:34] <thenuke> oh ok
[10:34] <paulsen-> but I rather run welltested packages than bleeding edge
[10:34] <paulsen-> hence, I choose to run ubuntu instead of gentoo
[10:34] <paulsen-> :-)
[10:34] <Brooklyn_> anyone
[10:34] <paulsen-> Do anyone here have any experience in using 802.11 under ubuntu?
[10:35] <Brooklyn_> Can someone link me to the install guide, I cant seem to find the full guide for all the different platforms on the wiki
[10:35] <crimsun> for breezy, gcc 4.0, and at least g++ 3.4
[10:35] <paulsen-> I'm about to rip myself bald if I cant get this fixed soon
[10:35] <thread> Brooklyn_: I seem to have a bit of it now
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: yup.
[10:35] <thread> Brooklyn_: ask
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: all three of my boxes use 802.11
[10:35] <paulsen-> usynic: I'm having big problems getting it to work
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: what chipset?
[10:35] <paulsen-> usynic: this is the famous broadcom chip
[10:35] <Thorrn4> What do I need to do to get my new Graphics Card to work? I just changed it...and not X server will not load.  I recently changed my Video Card, from a Radeon 7000 to a NVidia 5200.....when I tried to boot it up, I get an X server error....and the GUI could not load
[10:35] <paulsen-> whats the command to list pci devices again?
[10:35] <usynic> lspci
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: you'll probably need ndiswrapper
[10:36] <tritium> FlyingSquirrel32, xine and gxine can also save streams...
[10:36] <paulsen-> usynic: I have it installed and configured like the howto at the wiki tells me to
[10:36] <crimsun> Thorrn4: did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:36] <Fackamato> Thorrn4: remove the ati drivers, install the nvidia drivers
[10:36] <paulsen-> 0000:00:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[10:36] <Fackamato> and then follow crimsun's delightly instructions
[10:36] <Brooklyn_> am i doing something wrong
[10:36] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# ndiswrapper -l
[10:36] <paulsen-> Installed ndis drivers:
[10:36] <paulsen-> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[10:36] <Nalioth> tritium, he wants to save those nasty asx and asf streams
[10:36] <paulsen-> usynic: check this out..
[10:36] <usynic> paulsen-: what does iwconfig show?
[10:36] <HappyFool> Brooklyn_: what are you trying to do?
[10:37] <Nalioth> tritium, i sent him here http://www.geocities.com/majormms/
[10:37] <tritium> Nalioth, I've even saved .wmv streams
[10:37] <Nalioth> tritium, yes, thats what asf and asx points to
[10:37] <Brooklyn_> I want the full install guie for the different platforms
[10:37] <Thorrn4> Fackamato, how do I remove the ATI driver?
[10:37] <Nalioth> tritium wmv and wma files
[10:37] <Brooklyn_> I cant find it on the wiki
[10:37] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid poopcake
[10:37] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 | grep ESSID
[10:37] <paulsen-> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[10:37] <paulsen-> this is ndiswrapper 1.1 aswell
[10:37] <tritium> Nalioth, right, I've saved them without the need of anything other than xine
[10:38] <crimsun> Thorrn4: you need to select the nv driver first using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:38] <Nalioth> tritium, lots of providers won't let you direct d/l them, tho
[10:38] <crimsun> Thorrn4: then follow the directions on wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:38] <paulsen-> usynic: any idea what to try next?
[10:38] <tritium> Nalioth, they can't tell, though
[10:38] <paulsen-> usynic: I did actually manage to get the wifi link up once.. with a latency of 19000ms...
[10:38] <Nalioth> tritium, i prefer using mmsclient over wading and parsing a mile-long-line of URL or code
[10:38] <usynic> paulsen-: did you try passing acpi=noirq to the kernel?
[10:39] <paulsen-> usynic: this also is a brand new fresh-out-of-the-box linksys card.. it's 2 hours old :P
[10:39] <paulsen-> no
[10:39] <Brooklyn_> uhg
[10:39] <Thorrn4> Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available.
[10:39] <Nalioth> tritium, there is a xine-plugin, also at that site
[10:39] <paulsen-> I'll try that. Where do I set that?
[10:39] <HappyFool> Brooklyn_: i'm not sure that comprehensive install guides exist. what platform are you having problems with?
[10:39] <usynic> in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:39] <HappyFool> Brooklyn_: I presume you've read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallHowTo
[10:39] <tritium> Nalioth, ?
[10:39] <paulsen-> usynic: does it need to be inserted at any special place or just at the bottom?
[10:40] <usynic> paulsen-: on the kernel line
[10:40] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: did you look into the gnome blog bug?
[10:40] <osity> i need help with raid!
[10:40] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: no, I've not.
[10:40] <Amaranth> lok: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/04/14#2005-04-14-sarge-v-hoary
[10:40] <usynic> osity: pretty easy, you just point and spray.
[10:40] <paulsen-> usynic: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash acpi=noirq
[10:40] <osity> usynic : :)
[10:40] <paulsen-> usynic: like that?
[10:40] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: ok
[10:40] <usynic> paulsen: yeah
[10:40] <tritium> Nalioth, e.g., Nalioth, I'm talking about, e.g., xine http://some.server.com/some/stream.wmv#save:/tmp/stream.wmv
[10:41] <paulsen-> usynic: ok, I'll reboot the box to test. brb.
[10:41] <seth_slackware> Hey
[10:41] <seth_slackware> My mics not working in TeamSpeck 2
[10:41] <mamagata> hallo
[10:41] <seth_slackware> I have it turned up in alsamixer
[10:41] <thread> I have a Dell 700m that shuts off completely when I tell it to hibernate. When I turn it back on, it boots with the bios, but once linux starts booting it seems to (sometimes) properly resume from the hibernate. Is it supposed to boot back up w/bios screens and all when I turn it back on?
[10:41] <seth_slackware> what else can I check
[10:41] <seth_slackware> ?
[10:41] <mamagata> new ubunter user
[10:41] <usynic> seth_slackware: maybe try #slackware :P
[10:41] <seth_slackware> I am on ubuntu
[10:41] <mamagata> please help me
[10:41] <Nalioth> tritium, at http://www.geocities.com/majormms/ there is both a standalone client and a xine-plugin
[10:41] <usynic> thread: yes, it's using swsusp
[10:42] <mamagata> i installed ubuntu but i have old files on windows partitions
[10:42] <Nalioth> mamagata, please state the nature of your medical emergency.
[10:42] <thread> usynic: there isn't a way to get it to resume any nicer?
[10:42] <mamagata> and they are not on the ubutu desktop
[10:42] <tritium> Nalioth, I don't mind typing "#save:filename" at the end of an MRL
[10:42] <thread> usynic: is this acpi stuff that is still being developed in the linux kernel?
[10:43] <Nalioth> tritium, you are an old dog (linux wise) and know many tricks
[10:43] <yamlo> I really like the fixedsys font in Windows, is there a way to install it on ubuntu?
[10:43] <tritium> Nalioth, hey, 31 isn't that old! ;)
[10:43] <usynic> thread: that's what happens if you suspend to disk... you have the suspend to ram option sometimes
[10:43] <Nalioth> tritium, i said linux-wise
[10:44] <thread> usynic: that method doesn't shut the machine off completely, right? you're still consuming some power
[10:44] <mamagata> hey guys, it's a bit too confused, i look on the web
[10:44] <tritium> Nalioth, :-)
[10:44] <mamagata> C ya
[10:44] <Nalioth> tritium, i'm almost 40, been using linux for over 5 years and don't know Dick (or Jane, either)
[10:44] <usynic> thread: yup.
[10:44] <lok>  1565 (50%) are newer than sarge.  908 (29%) are newer in sarge than hoary  << so it's what I told you
[10:44] <usynic> thread: but hibernate in windows would do the same thing... you'd get the bios screen
[10:45] <yamlo> Nalioth, why don't you buy CBT software.. it'll teach you
[10:45] <thread> usynic: could you point me in the right direction for getting my Fn-Esc (Stand by) key to work? it currently does nothing.
[10:45] <AMIGrAve> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a 500Mhz celeron laptop with 64Mo ram, I always get this error (in an installer dialog box red backgrounded title "Install the base system") when it install packages : the error is : "Not installing to unclean target"  PS: I installed on a partition that I choosed to format
[10:45] <usynic> thread: I have no idea - I didn't have to do anything for mine to work
[10:46] <thread> usynic: dell?
[10:46] <usynic> it's a thinkpad
[10:46] <thread> k.. I'll have to research that
[10:46] <thread> usynic: thanks for the answers!
[10:46] <usynic> np
[10:47] <paulsen> I have a short term memory, where are you, the person who just helped me?
[10:47] <goldfish_> usynic i think it was.
[10:48] <paulsen> you are like the magic man!
[10:48] <paulsen> .. or women!
[10:48] <usynic> yeah
[10:48] <usynic> whoa
[10:48] <usynic> way too close
[10:48] <paulsen> perhaps that little kernel setting should be mentioned on the wifi page in the wiki
[10:48] <usynic> unless you're a hotty.
[10:48] <usynic> :)
[10:48] <usynic> paulsen: they mention it in the troubleshooting section
[10:48] <paulsen> hm.
[10:48] <paulsen> guess I didnt notice that
[10:49] <usynic> I didn't notice it either at first.
[10:49] <paulsen> I was busy thinking about killing someone with a shovel
[10:49] <usynic> I had to ask in #ndiswrapper, where they proceeded to make fun of my stupidity.
[10:49] <paulsen> I tried earlier to get a D-Link DWL-520+ card to work
[10:49] <paulsen> it hardlocked and paniced the kernel
[10:49] <paulsen> I had like<PHONE_NUMBER>3597613975313 entries in dmesg
[10:49] <paulsen> tx flood
[10:49] <sbcl3_> anyone know how to install a firefox theme?
[10:50] <sbcl3_> i have a .jar file but don't know what to do with it
[10:50] <paulsen> threw the card in the trash and went out and bought two new linksys cards
[10:50] <JairunCaloth> I havn't isntalled any in linux yet
[10:50] <paulsen> and then I couldnt get those to work either..
[10:50] <paulsen> :-)
[10:50] <|QuaD-_> anyone here using blam? anyone reccomend it over liferea?
[10:50] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[10:51] <paulsen> now
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE> I'm having a bit of trouble installing gstreamer-0.8-faad anyone mind giving me a hand?
[10:51] <Nalioth> REBELinBLUE, what sort of trouble?
[10:51] <paulsen> usynic: I visisted a site somwhere but I forgot to bookmark it.. It had links for different X tools to see signal strength etc
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE> synaptic gives me the following error
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE> gstreamer0.8-faad:
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[10:51] <paulsen> usynic: any idea what the name of those things was?
[10:52] <crimsun> REBELinBLUE: make sure you're using the testing debian-marillat repo, not the unstable one
[10:52] <paulsen> usynic: I think one of them had "radar" in the name.. the other one was some kind of GNOME applet
[10:52] <usynic> paulsen: there's network-monitor for the gnome panel
[10:52] <REBELinBLUE> oh that looks like it, had both testing and unstable in there
[10:52] <REBELinBLUE> just checking.....
[10:53] <paulsen> usynic: hm, network-monitor wasnt exactly verbose
[10:53] <paulsen> usynic: the applet I saw a screenshot of had much more info about the wireless stuff
[10:54] <paulsen> (and a list of aviable SSID's)
[10:54] <usynic> oh, I dunno
[10:54] <amaro> This happens on a daily basis: when I open synaptic, it open in the taskpar, my mouse is in the waiting state, and then after 20 to 30 seconds, it disappears.
[10:54] <amaro> Why does this happen?
[10:55] <usynic> brb
[10:56] <REBELinBLUE> thats it crimsun, thanks you're a star
[10:56] <REBELinBLUE> paulsen usynic: the applet I saw a screenshot of had much more info about the wireless stuff --- Sounds like NetworkManager?
[10:57] <Burgundavia> REBELinBLUE, network manger is going to be in breezy
[10:57] <REBELinBLUE> ah right
[10:57] <paulsen> REBELinBLUE: yeah, thats it. thanks.
[10:57] <paulsen> breezy is the next ubuntu release?
[10:57] <REBELinBLUE> yeh
[10:58] <paulsen> hm, its only aviable as rpm
[10:58] <paulsen> perhaps there is a debian package for it.
[10:58] <Tezkah> breezy boozer
[10:58] <REBELinBLUE> damn, I thought gstreamer0.8-faad would allow me to play AAC files :(
[10:59] <amaro> if a certain package needs a certain library with a lower version than the one installed. What should I do?
[10:59] <Tezkah> does the isntaller partition harddrives like the Mandrake one used to?
[10:59] <amaro> Should I install both?
[10:59] <Tezkah> I have an NTFS drive (oops), and I'd like to dual boot
[10:59] <Tezkah> should I make an empty partion beforehand?
[11:00] <goldfish_> the installer does the partitioning for you
[11:00] <goldfish_> just give it free space to partition
[11:00] <Tezkah> excellent
[11:01] <punkrockguy318> what's  a good IRC channel for C programming?
[11:01] <amaro> #C
[11:01] <Burgundavia> Tezkah, you will need to do custom paritioning, otherwise it will wipe out your NTFS partition
[11:01] <amaro> lol
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[11:02] <steingrd> hm. i've never tried ubuntu before, so i put it on my laptop today (had to boot it through my lan...). it installed through a curses interface, it took a while, but it never actually set up X or anything. i'm guessing that ain't normal?
[11:02] <Tezkah> ruh roh
[11:02] <Burgundavia> steingrd, curses interface is normal
[11:02] <Burgundavia> steingrd, did you choose expert install?
[11:02] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: did you choose 'server' installation?
[11:03] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: uhm, i was never presented with such a choice...
[11:03] <dataw0lf|w> Warty?
[11:03] <Marble2> how can I create a bash file that simply loops a command over and over again
[11:03] <Tezkah> cron?
[11:04] <Marble2> I could do a cron
[11:04] <Marble2> but it seems easier in bash
[11:04] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: no, 5.04 hoary
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w> Marble2: while true
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w>     do
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w> #your command
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w>     done
[11:05] <Mabus> Hi, I just flashed my BIOS, and when I rebooted, GRUB just comes up with the string "GRUB _" on the screen, and nothing happens .. Any tips/hints on how to fix it ?
[11:05] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: huh.  Type 'startx' at the command prompt and tell me what, if any, errors are output.
[11:05] <Mabus> GRUB is loaded from the MBR, I thought, so I don't see how a BIOS flash can affect it ?
[11:05] <La_PaRCa> Hey kids. Anyone know if the hoary cds shipped yet?
[11:05] <dataw0lf|w> as well, if it doesn't start X, /priv me your X log
[11:05] <ifr> Any wifi gurus out there?
[11:06] <transgress> define gurus
[11:06] <Tezkah> right click on the Windows Taskbar, repair connection
[11:06] <dataw0lf|w> man iwconfig
[11:06] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: it starts X with 640x480 or something, without a window manager, no windows or anything
[11:06] <ifr> One who can help me troubleshoot a problem with a supported card past the gui interface!
[11:06] <airox> Hi.
[11:06] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: so ctrl-alt-backspace it, go to your log, and tell me whats there
[11:06] <ifr> Hi airox
[11:06] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: ok, one sec
[11:06] <airox> Anyone ever used VMware in Ubuntu ?
[11:06] <transgress> ah then dataw0lf|w was right... man iwconfig
[11:07] <REBELinBLUE> i have to use iwconfig to get my wifi connection up and running, the GUI interface is pretty useless
[11:07] <airox> I got it working, but there it doesn't detects my disc when booting up VMware.
[11:07] <ifr> Er, yes I';ve done that thanks. Anyone else?
[11:07] <ifr> Yes I agree, and I am having problems intermittently with the command line as well!
[11:07] <REBELinBLUE> no mode, channel/frequency options etc
[11:07] <ifr> I'm running a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino) ipw2200
[11:07] <dataw0lf|w> what type of problems?
[11:07] <Moe|Joe> hi people, i jus installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad 600x and after i log in...nothing happens
[11:07] <ifr> which according to the ubuntu 5.04 page works out of the bo with everything
[11:08] <dataw0lf|w> cats and dogs falling from the sky?
[11:08] <thread> ifr: it seems to for me...
[11:08] <ifr> However I keep gtting shunted off networks. nd once that happens nothing I have tried short of restart (and not always that) allows it to reacquire a dhcp lease
[11:08] <ifr> yes thread?
[11:09] <ifr> Thread, you have the same card?
[11:09] <thread> ifr: have you installed whereami, waproamd, or any of these auto network configurator deailios?
[11:09] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: well, first of all my logs are in norwegian... but it looks like gconfd is started and then there are some gconfd messages about gnome.xml.defaults and a write protected configuration source (heh, messages in norwegian look funny, crappy translation and hard to translate back into english)
[11:09] <thread> ifr: yes but I don't think your problem is with the card or the drivers, but the software controlling them
[11:09] <ifr> No, I have not. Thanks for that
[11:09] <ifr>  I agree entirely
[11:09] <ifr> which one of those worked for you>
[11:09] <ifr> ?
[11:09] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: hm, that sucks.
[11:09] <thread> none
[11:09] <thread> they're what cause that problem for me sometimes
[11:09] <Moe|Joe> hi people, i jus installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad 600x and after i log in...nothing happens...how do i get it working?
[11:10] <Moe|Joe> got the last release of ubuntu works fine
[11:10] <airox> Sorry, it's already working :)
[11:10] <ifr> Yes. I haveuninstalled all third party atempts to "help"
[11:10] <Tezkah> 8gigs enough for ubuntu!
[11:10] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: yeah...
[11:10] <steingrd> :)
[11:10] <ifr> and now do stright up iwconfig commands
[11:10] <airox> Tezkah: Yes!
[11:10] <ifr> which work until they do not.