[00:06] <chubuntu> having trouble installing ubuntu server:
[00:07] <chubuntu> 1. HDD with a good install won't boot from another setup; 2. tried reinstalling from a CD ISO. i get to "install ubuntu server", and after selecting it, everything freezes
[00:08] <chubuntu> any suggestions?
[00:09] <chubuntu> clarification on #1: i had an HDD connected to a good PC, installed ubuntu server on it, confirmed it booted properly on that machine, and then swapped the drive into the other machine where it does not detect an OS to boot on that drive
[00:10] <sarnold> chubuntu: are both machines using legacy bios or uefi or is one machine using legacy and the other using uefi?
[00:11] <chubuntu> the destination machine's mobo is phoenix award bios, and i'm having trouble finding many settings in it, so i'm not sure which one it's on. i haven't confirmed which bios the operable machine is on, but i can find that out and come back
[00:14] <chubuntu> brb checking bios setup
[00:24] <NibzAU> Hello All, hopefully someone can help me.. ive just wiped my laptop and installed ubuntu.. i made my ssd drive /  and made my hdd /home . not sure if it worked correctly.. when i go to other locations i can see only Computer which says 109gb free (ssd is 128) but if i right click home it says 900gb free.. i assume this is correct but want to make sure before i move forward
[00:30] <akemhp> NibzAU, Well yeah, it sounds ok, right.
[00:32] <chubuntu> @sarnold having trouble discerning what mode my asus bios is on, but for what it's worth, the bios screen itself says it's a "UEFI bios"
[00:35] <sarnold> chubuntu: I could believe that an older system that doesn't have uefi support might not exactly tell you that's a legacy bios :) heh
[00:36] <chubuntu> @sarnold could very well be. does that mean i need a different ISO to intall with?
[00:36] <mekhami> what postgres-compatible gui client is not awful?
[00:37] <Thr0r> chubuntu:  Back to basic.. Is your new HD listed as a device in the Bios? And - Is the boot order correctly pointing to the HD you want to boot from,,
[00:38] <chubuntu> @thr0r the HD is detected, just doesn't detect an OS. the boot order does try booting from that HDD first
[00:38] <sarnold> chubuntu: the same iso will work for both, but you may not be able to install on a uefi and move the drive to a legacy.. the other way around may work if you don't mind giving up uefi and disabling it..
[00:39] <chubuntu> @sarnold so that could explain why installing it on my (potentially) UEFI machine and swapping it to a legacy machine doesn't work, but why would i not even be able to make a fresh install from a CD-ROM ISO?
[00:39] <sarnold> chubuntu: oh? I missed that detail I thought this was all about moving hard drives
[00:40] <chubuntu> @sarnold that was my first attempt. i installed it on my UEFI machine and swapped it, but when that failed, i tried a fresh install and the installer stalls out right after i click "install ubuntu server"
[00:40] <chubuntu> sarnold as in, it loads the purple screen where i can select the "install" option, but once i do, everything freezes
[00:42] <sarnold> chubuntu: oh weird :( sorry, no idfeas there
[00:43] <chubuntu> sarnold: all good, thanks for your time :)
[00:44] <Thr0r> chubuntu: what media did/are you using to make that "fresh" install on your ASUS with the new blank disk?
[00:45] <chubuntu> unetbootin via windows
[00:45] <chubuntu> Thr0r
[00:46] <chubuntu> Thr0r: with the ubuntu-19.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[00:47] <chubuntu> brb
[00:49] <Thr0r> chubuntu: Ok - and that is on a USB stick or a CD/DVD?
[00:54] <chubuntu> Thr0r: originally installed it directly to the drive. after that failed, that i burned it to DVD and tried reinstalling from the server machine, but that's when the installation process freezes
[01:03] <Feldegast> anyone hemre?my actionscript is:myvar myDate:Date = new Date();
[01:03] <Feldegast> this.rotation = 6 * myDate.seconds;
[01:03] <Thr0r> chubuntu:  Ok - I don't quite understand but I have been using Rufus to create USB bootable sticks (From windows) and "Startup Disk Creator" (From Linux) - Both works just fine - and I have an ASUS. Have done it many times.. sorry
[01:04] <Feldegast> sorry wrong window
[01:04] <chubuntu> @thr0r
[01:04] <chubuntu> all good, thanks for the advice. i'll try your tool
[03:52] <jkoofer> hello all. I am a very new to ubuntu. I am using 18.04 , I am trying to put a new theme on. I created a folder called .themes but everytime go to find it I cannot not. When I search for it the search yields no result. However when I create a new folder using .themes as the name, it says a folder already exists.
[03:53] <jkoofer> I am watching a youtube tutorial from ubuntu version 15 so i believe it is slightly different for this reason.
[03:55] <OerHeks> jkoofer, sadly the last item on the page: install gnome-tweak-tool to switch
[03:56] <OerHeks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/11/best-gtk-themes-for-ubuntu
[03:56] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[03:59] <jkoofer> ah thank you!
[04:38] <gambl0re> hello?
[04:41] <ryuo> !ask | gambl0re
[06:31] <Thete> is there any way to tell ubuntu to install the EFI bootloader to the drive I'm installing ubuntu on and not mess with the main drive's EFI partition?
[06:33] <Thete> nevermind it's in advanced
[06:33] <EriC^^> Thete: i think it's not just the bootloader location, it's also the partition that's set to be used as efi
[06:43] <Thete> I usually just disable the windows drive so it creates it's own on the secondary drive
[06:43] <Thete> cause if I ever reinstall windows then I can't boot to linux
[06:43] <Thete> and have to run boot-repair crap
[06:43] <Thete> this is a laptop though and no easy way to disable the other drive
[06:43] <Thete> Just did it manually though so that's fine
[06:43] <Thete> any of you guys particularly fond of any cpu governor control software or cooling software that should be installed?
[06:54] <exit70> hi, is it possible to set up a serial console (for troubleshooting) on a "regular" laptop?
[06:57] <ducasse> exit70: if you have a serial port, sure. if you just want to see messages you can use this - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netconsole
[06:58] <exit70> interesting, thx, will try when i have a chance
[07:06] <Thete> any of you guys use tlp or thermald?
[07:06] <Thete> on laptop?
[07:12] <exit70> i use tlp
[07:13] <exit70> it seems to reduce power-rate reported by `upower`
[07:37] <Thete> I'll, try, thanks for the info
[07:43] <Y0hY> linux
[09:50] <tommy``> how can i keep monitoring the vsftpd live?
[09:58] <netcrash> I installed openbox on my ubuntu and tint2 , does anyone know of a battery power indicator for tint2
[09:58] <netcrash> ?
[10:02] <netcrash> <https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=450
[10:02] <netcrash> found an answer
[10:06] <johnjbogle> Hi may I get some assistance with updating my bios please?
[10:13] <akemhp_> johnjbogle, Well it's Ubuntu support there.
[10:14] <tommy``> johnjbogle: search on your motherboard website brand
[10:24] <ryuo> johnjbogle: that's vendor specific. we can't really give you anything without more information.
[10:25] <ryuo> but the usual method involves doing it from windows. some can be done from FreeDOS. others can do it directly from the bios, but it's entirely vendor defined.
[10:43] <tommy``> ubuntu transforms me in a being like gollum... i stopped watch out of the windows of my home
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> tommy``: only ubuntu issues here please
[10:44] <tommy``> that is a ubuntu issue lotuspsychje
[11:11] <HenryCH> hi, beginner here, i was just trying to install mongo on wsl ubuntu 18.04, if i follow the instructions and install the official mongodb-org, i still can't start the service with service mongod start but have to use service mongodb start instead, anyone know why?
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | HenryCH
[11:14] <HenryCH> lotuspsychje: thanks i'll pose the question there
[11:17] <tamj0rd2> Hey, I have ubuntu installed on my laptop, dual booted with windows. For some reason my external monitor doesn't work in ubuntu, but it works fine in windows
[11:18] <tamj0rd2> I have the nvidia-driver-430 installed, but when I run xrandr it shows my HDMI cable as being disconnected
[11:18] <tamj0rd2> Does any have some ideas of what I can try
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: did you try Fn+ F7 screen switch combo?
[11:20] <tamj0rd2> no, let me give that a try
[11:20] <tamj0rd2> Nothing happens :s
[11:21] <tamj0rd2> I'm on ubuntu 18.04 btw
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: if you are on ubuntu 18.04 or higher, did you check your systemsettings/devices/screen ?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: see if its recognized there
[11:21] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: generic advice: assert that the BIOS is current.
[11:22] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: i can't tell you how many times that has resolved issues with Linux, especially laptops.
[11:22] <tamj0rd2> In screen display it only lists the built in monitor lotuspsychje
[11:22] <tamj0rd2> what do you mean @ryuo?
[11:22] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: update the BIOS if it's not current.
[11:22] <tamj0rd2> ahh, gotcha
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | tamj0rd2 adviced by ryuo
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> tamj0rd2: see also: fwupdate -l some machine brands can update this way aswell
[11:23] <ryuo> but it's pretty much vendor specific.
[11:23] <tamj0rd2> thanks :)
[11:23] <ryuo> but that's always something I do before i ever install Linux on a new machine now.
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> good aproach ryuo
[11:24] <ryuo> just to fix any previously resolved issues so i don't have to run into them again ;)
[11:25] <ryuo> i can't tell you how many times i've bought used PCs only to find their BIOS appears to have never been updated even once.
[11:25] <ryuo> i can't recall ever finding one that was.
[11:48] <gbellinoz> apt install cups is telling me:
[11:48] <gbellinoz> "cups : Depends: libcups2 (= 2.2.7-1ubuntu2) but 2.2.7-1ubuntu2.1 is to be installed"
[11:48] <gbellinoz> Is this maybe a temporary repo problem?
[11:50] <tamj0rd2> Hey, I'm back
[11:50] <tamj0rd2> I've done the BIOS update but it hasn't made any difference sadly :(
[11:51] <ioria> gbellinoz, maybe you mean '2.2.7-1ubuntu2.7 is to be installed' ; 2.2.7-1ubuntu2.1 does not exist
[11:51] <gbellinoz> It's not what I mean... it's what apt is saying...
[11:52] <ioria> gbellinoz, apt-cache policy cups | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:52] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: does replugging the cable do anything?
[11:53] <tamj0rd2> Nope ryuo
[11:53] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: for that matter, what does xrandr even report?
[11:53] <tamj0rd2> I've run sudo lshw -c video
[11:53] <ryuo> wait... is this a dual gpu?
[11:53] <tamj0rd2> I have a nvidia graphics driver and a intel one both in my laptop
[11:53] <ryuo> i wonder if that's related.
[11:53] <tamj0rd2> I think it is, but I'm not really sure how to fix it
[11:53] <gbellinoz> ioria: https://gist.github.com/bitwombat/b97497bd8dd9b2d2ad7ed6466140d880
[11:53] <ryuo> yea... dual gpu has always been spotty in my experience. i never touch those machines nowadays.
[11:54] <tamj0rd2> Here's what I get when I run lshw https://pastebin.com/dyUeaMC2
[11:54] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: what does xrandr say?
[11:54] <ioria> gbellinoz, paste also the error
[11:54] <ioria> gbellinoz, but i'd check my sources.list
[11:54] <tamj0rd2> ryuo it still says my HDMI-1 is disconnected
[11:55] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: ugh. i was hoping for the whole output.
[11:55] <tamj0rd2> oh sorry, 1 sec
[11:55] <tamj0rd2> ryuo https://pastebin.com/y6RALdwz
[11:55] <gbellinoz> ioria: https://termbin.com/jjna
[11:55] <gbellinoz> sources.list is default.
[11:56] <gbellinoz> I'm thinking I have something held... I'm usually reluctant to upgrade cups.
[11:56] <gbellinoz> (this is a full-on, frustrated, purge and reinstall move)
[11:57] <ioria> gbellinoz, sudo apt update
[11:57] <gbellinoz> ioria: did
[11:58] <ioria> gbellinoz, does it show updates available ?
[11:59] <ioria> gbellinoz, also : sudo apt list --upgradable
[11:59] <gbellinoz> ioria: just 2 (have automatic upgrades running)
[12:00] <tamj0rd2> ryuo I've doube checked and I have the correct nvidia driver installed for my card
[12:00] <gbellinoz> ioria: something's not right... apt update only lists 4 URLs it's loading from. One is http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[12:00] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: no idea, honestly... though it mentions another port. have you tried that?
[12:00] <gbellinoz> and the rest are skype, google, etc.
[12:01] <ioria> gbellinoz, i told you to check the sources.list
[12:01] <gbellinoz> My other 18.04 system gets like 38 sources.
[12:01] <tamj0rd2> I don't have a display port cable
[12:01] <gbellinoz> yes you did :) and I did. looks normal. will diff it with my other system.
[12:01] <ryuo> i see.
[12:01] <ryuo> well, something you could try.
[12:01] <tamj0rd2> do you think reinstalling ubuntu could help?
[12:01] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: doubtful. if it doesn't work now it probably won't work from a reinstall.
[12:02] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: how new is it ?
[12:02] <ioria> gbellinoz, please paste it
[12:02] <tamj0rd2> I got this in February, so still pretty new
[12:03] <tamj0rd2> I've had this issue for months now though. I gave up for a while, so I just haven't bothered trying to get it working in ubuntu until now.
[12:03] <tamj0rd2> ryuo
[12:03] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: i would retry with manjaro. if a newer software stack fixes it, then you may be on to something.
[12:03] <ryuo> 18.04 ships with older stuff so it might be a problem here.
[12:04] <tamj0rd2> ryuo ah. Is manjaro still ubuntu or something else?
[12:04] <ryuo> No... it's based on ARCH.
[12:04] <ryuo> different design goals but it's a useful benchmark for testing against the latest upstream software.
[12:05] <tamj0rd2> ah, gotcha
[12:05] <ryuo> if that fixes it then you may have to retry with 19.10 or w/e.
[12:05] <tamj0rd2> ryuo I have my /home mounted to a different place on my hdd. I think when I run the ubuntu installer it's possible for me to reinstall it without wiping /home. Do you know if that's the same for manjaro?
[12:05] <d0me5t0s> I'm trying to upgrade an old version of mailinabox which is running on ubuntu14. Upgrading to Ubuntu 18 in place is not an option as this will break mailinabox. I have to first upgrade mailinabox before going to 18. Problem is that there are dependencies in PPAs where the versions for ubuntu14 don't exist any more. Am I as badly hosed as I think I am, or is there hope? :-)
[12:05] <ryuo> this is the main drawback of LTS releases. they're really more optimal for older hardware.
[12:06] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: uh... possibly? i haven't done dual boot in ages.
[12:07] <ryuo> d0me5t0s: why do you have to upgrade it first? why can't you just disable it and upgrade it after?
[12:16] <gbellinoz> ioria: bad sources.list at least part of the problem. Pretty sure I upgraded both systems from 16.04 the same way, yet one had only one source enabled, and  the other said "xenial" for the src packages. FUBAR.
[12:16] <d0me5t0s> ryuo - that's the only upgrade/migration path for MIAB. Their site/forum is very clear that just going straight to U18 will break it
[12:16] <gbellinoz> Cleaned them up and 622 upgrades are waiting.
[12:17] <ioria> ok
[12:17] <gbellinoz> thanks for the tips
[12:19] <d0me5t0s> So while I'm kicking myself for not upgrading earlier, I'm also very frustrated by the speedy removal of old packages. Is that just to make people ugrade, or is there a less obvious reason?
[12:20] <ryuo> d0me5t0s: they occupy valuable space. after public support ends, what's the point of keeping them around?
[12:20] <ryuo> a single release can occupy many gigabytes. spread over many mirrors. that's nothing to sneeze at.
[12:21] <EriC^^> d0me5t0s: i guess it's logistics and stuff
[12:21] <EriC^^> d0me5t0s: you know the stuff is moved to a different web address but still there yes?
[12:22] <EriC^^> of course you shouldn't use it unless you absolutely know what you're doing and the computer isnt connected to the internet etc due to security risks associated with it
[12:22] <EriC^^> d0me5t0s: ^
[12:22] <tamj0rd2> ryuo got it! I had to disable secure boot in uefi and then change my selected video card to intel then back to nvidia
[12:23] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: probably it was more the first issue. with secure boot active, DKMS packages may fail to work.
[12:23] <ryuo> because of enforced kernel module signing.
[12:23] <tamj0rd2> Yeah, you're right. I tried switching the selected cards and that didn't make any difference at all until I changed secure boot
[12:23] <ryuo> probably should stick to intel by default.
[12:24] <ryuo> either way, bios update may have helped. sometimes they expose new options.
[12:24] <tamj0rd2> I think the HDMI is connected to the nvidia card, so it won't work at all if I stick with intel selected ryuo
[12:24] <ryuo> tamj0rd2: well, up to you. i'm assuming this will end up using more power.
[12:36] <d0me5t0s> ssorry EriC^^ - I'm here
[12:41] <d0me5t0s> I get it about gigabytes across many mirrors, but one or two mirrors just for old time's sake wouldn't be too bad. The ubuntu repositories have old-versions.. just it seems, not PPAs. Anyway - didn't really come here to whinge about that :-)
[12:52] <Y0hY> Ubuntu
[13:40] <AlexPortable> How do I extend my partition? There is free space in front of it but I can only make my partition smaller and not bigger
[13:41] <export> AlexPortable: uh, how much space we talking?
[13:46] <EriC^^> AlexPortable: try gparted from a live usb
[13:48] <export> AlexPortable: well since i've not seen how much space you're trying reclaim i feel i should mention that if you need to consume space that is "before" the partition's start you'll have to move the partition start point "back" or "to the left" and extend it, the bad part is that you'll need to be aware that a bootloader could possibly have a hard time finding the partition after the fact so the system could
[13:48] <export> fail to boot afterwards.
[13:48] <export> also if it's a very small amount it could simply be an alignment issue or something that can't easily be fixed afaik, so if it's like 1-2 mb or something i'd leave it be, probably not worth the trouble.
[15:07] <cybercrypto> Hi there, I see that 'zfs option' is missing from the installer GUI during 19.10 installation. I am using freebsd-host virtualbox installing guest-ubuntu-19.10. Does anyone knows something that may prevent zfs option to be presented?
[15:12] <ducasse> cybercrypto: ask in #ubuntu+1, that's where 19.10 is supported up until it's released
[15:12] <cybercrypto> ducasse: thank you, I will.
[15:31] <AlexPortable> export: it's around 50 GB, there was another partition there before but i made that one smaller
[15:31] <AlexPortable> how do i move it? the only options i have in the ubuntu 'disks' is to resize it
[15:49] <amosbird> hi, is there any tool to temporarily use my local machine as a router for a remote box. it's like \magic_reverse_vpn root@remote_machine\ and I can ctrl-c to disconnect
[16:14] <bittin> Ubuntu 19.10 RC2 on Monday and release on Thursday
[16:32] <mendi> guys
[16:33] <mendi> Hello guys I hav
[16:33] <mendi> I cant login unless i change from ubuntu to ubuntu-wayland in login screen
[16:34] <mendi> how can I use x11 instead
[16:50] <export> AlexPortable: a previously mentioned option is gparted, but as i said, moving partitions could require more steps to get whatever partition you moved bootable again, assuming it is bootable.
[16:52] <chubuntu> sarnold: I got everything squared away! thanks for your help yesterday. it ended up being two issues. 1) i'm assuming it was a legacy vs UEFI issue with both the existing install and the fresh installation i was using. found a suggestion to use the ISO that didn't have the "live" keyword in the filename, and that worked for me. 2) once it was
[16:52] <chubuntu> reinstalled, the screen kept going black on boot. this was an nvidia driver issue that i resolved by somehow blind logging in and installing openssh-server, then accessing it from my working machine. it miraculously worked! updating drivers now lets me boot without the black screen
[17:31] <rfm> mendi, first thing to check is the Xorg log for errors.  It should be in ~/.local/share/xort/Xorg.0.log for recent ubuntu releases...
[17:37] <Alexthek1d> hi
[17:37] <Alexthek1d> Is there a console command in linux to change the ip/proxy? Like "SetSocks4 <IP_ADDRESS>:1080" ?
[17:40] <tommy``> does exist some currency tool for terminal to see live currency and for calculation?
[18:08] <bittin> Happy 15th Birthday Ubuntu
[18:47] <varaindemian> i tried to run kali in virtual box and I do not have 2d acceleratio
[18:48] <varaindemian> What virtual environment do you recommend for running other linux distros as guests on ubuntu (host)?
[18:50] <varaindemian> anyone?
[18:52] <tomreyn> varaindemian: virtualbox should be fine (maybe use upstream's packages, though not supported here), also anything kvm based can be.
[18:53] <varaindemian> tomreyn: something eASY TO install and kvm based?
[18:55] <tomreyn> varaindemian: what did you mean by 2d acceleration though? do you mean 3d?
[18:55] <tomreyn> are guest graphics slow?
[18:58] <tomreyn> all of qemu-kvm (optionally with virt-manager or gnome-boxes GUIs) and virtualbox should be easy to install.
[19:16] <nikolam> Hi I am having trouble getting to work for Webcam PAC7311 Trust WB-3300p ( idVendor 0x093a, idProduct 0x2608 ) . Webcam used to work on all previous Ubuntu and kernels, up untill 18.10 and now on 19.04 it does not work. (Cheese does not recognizes it nor display video). Webcam has audio mic that IS recognize in the system.
[19:16] <dynetrekk> hi, does anyone know how to install ubuntu 18.04 on a mac mini 2011?
[19:18] <nikolam> dynetrekk, have you tried googling the issue? (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini)
[19:19] <dynetrekk> nikolam some say you just do it with a usb stick, some say you have to flash the EFI, I think it's inconclusive
[19:19] <dynetrekk> but thanks for that link
[19:19] <dynetrekk> it doesn't include mac mini 5.1 which is what I have though
[19:20] <nikolam> If you ask me, I would avoid all Mac hardware altogether. But that's just mine conclusion.
[19:21] <dynetrekk> nikolam if you inherit a mac mini, you don't get to choose the hardware
[19:21] <dynetrekk> also reuse > recycle > trash
[19:22] <dynetrekk> I have a thinkpad for ubuntu, too, of course
[19:22] <nikolam> I totally agree.
[19:24] <nikolam> I duckduckgoe'd this https://askubuntu.com/questions/885978/how-to-install-ubuntu-to-a-mac-mini-i7-2011-with-amd-graphics
[19:25] <dynetrekk> linux will run on a toaster and I don't see any reason why I shouldn't
[19:25] <dynetrekk> nikolam thanks will have a look. mine's an i5 with intel hd graphics though. Which is probably an advantage! the debian wiki indicates it might Just Work (TM), which is the Apple Way anyway!
[19:27] <nikolam> Yes. maybe you can fill up blanks on Ubuntu wiki if you have something that works ok for your model.
[19:27] <nikolam> Apple way is as far as I understand, shorter support cycles for hardware then for other PCs. (As their OS support for their hardware).
[19:29] <dynetrekk> nikolam kind of, yes and no. my router got updates not too long ago. It's from 2007.
[19:30] <dynetrekk> nikolam the lowest specced machines don't fly forever but neither do windows machines. Noone offers linux anyway.
[19:30] <dynetrekk> so I think they're competitive with most official support, and for iphones they're way better than android support in my experience
[19:32] <nikolam> dynetrekk, I think System76 offers Linux machines as well as DELL laptops come with Ubuntu preinstalled.
[19:49] <dynetrekk> nikolam system76 is us only?
[19:56] <AlexPortable> export: well yes gparted, but how do I actually move it with gparted?
[19:57] <AlexPortable> https://imgur.com/a/laHOAL3
[19:58] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: you can't move extended partitions out of the extended area
[19:58] <AlexPortable> so how do I make it bigger? it's full
[19:59] <tomreyn> buy a new disk or create a new partition table.
[19:59] <AlexPortable> new partition table without losing data?
[20:00] <tomreyn> if you prepare for it very well that might succeed, but it's not a fun task and i'm not going to guide.
[20:01] <tomreyn> you're better off replacing the msdos partition table by a gpt one.
[20:01] <AlexPortable> can windows still boot from that?
[20:01] <tomreyn> not without reinstalling, i would think
[20:02] <tomreyn> but then i'm not a windows expert, those usually gather in ##windows
[20:02] <AlexPortable> ugh
[20:02] <AlexPortable> so basically i'm stuck now and can't store any more data on ubuntu because i have the wrong partition table...
[20:03] <nikolam> dynetrekk, wouldn't know, maybe you can ask them. But I know Dell's with Ubuntu are widespread just month ago I reinstalled DELL laptop that came with preinstalled Ubuntu
[20:04] <tomreyn> well you could create another primary partition and create a linux compatible file system there and mount that on some directory where you need the additional disk space.
[20:04] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: ^
[20:04] <AlexPortable> well i need space in my home folder
[20:06] <tomreyn> so you could create e.g. a partition in the unallocated space, create an ext4 file systme on that, and move you existing /home data to it, then mount this new disk at /home.
[20:06] <tomreyn> i mean this new file system, not disk
[20:09] <AlexPortable> thanks ill do that
[20:28] <econdudeawesome> Hey... I am learning more about data... I know this is off topic but would love a pointer. Can you recommend a good data engineering channel? Context: Postgres, DBT, Singer, have a data model and not really sure how to transform / process raw data to make it all work together
[20:32] <styler2go> Hey everyone. My Ubuntu system (19.04 server) does not retrieve an ip address on startup. Any ideas what i can do? Once i log in i at least get a wifi connection
[20:33] <dynetrekk> econdudeawesome I suppose there's a postgres channel, I've been in there in the distant past
[20:33] <econdudeawesome> I'll check it out dynetrekk
[20:33] <econdudeawesome> Thanks
[20:34] <dynetrekk> econdudeawesome just never trust raw data. Check, recheck and check again.
[20:35] <mendi> I apt-get removed g++:i386 on a x64 installation of ubuntu and now i cant get a graphical boot
[20:35] <mendi> It also removed alot of x64 libs. Wtf
[20:35] <mendi> And recompiled the kernel. Wtfx2
[20:36] <econdudeawesome> @dynetrekk its not so much the raw data itself, I literally have no idea how to load to a specific data model. I've been a data consumer for years and guess I never really considered this part
[20:37] <mendi> My ubuntu usb tries to boot into the already installed ubuntu for some reason
[20:39] <mendi> "System boot order not found initializing defaults" wtf
[20:54] <KunaPrime> hello i'm running 19.04 and my system is reporting that is has been minimizes so i don't have access to some man pages
[20:55] <KunaPrime> how do i restore it to full instalation?
[20:59] <tomreyn> KunaPrime: your system is reporting that "is has been minimizes"?
[20:59] <tomreyn> can you provide the original error message, explain what you were doing?
[21:00] <KunaPrime> This  system  has been minimized by removing packages and content
[21:00] <KunaPrime> that are not required on a system that users do not log into.
[21:00] <KunaPrime> To restore this content, including manpages, you can run the ’un‐
[21:00] <KunaPrime> minimize’  command.  You  will  still need to ensure the ’man‐db’
[21:00] <KunaPrime> package is installed.
[21:00] <KunaPrime> y
[21:02] <KunaPrime> i'm trying to acess man for erl for example
[21:03] <tomreyn> !paste | KunaPrime
[21:04] <KunaPrime> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CgdPwX7csz/
[21:05] <tomreyn> KunaPrime: so have you tried what the message suggests?
[21:06] <KunaPrime> i don't hat unminimize script and i don't know how to get it
[21:06] <KunaPrime> have*
[21:06] <tomreyn> i see. i've never seen this message before so i'm not sure how to handle this situation then.
[21:07] <tomreyn> is this a standard ubuntu installation from one of the ISOs released on ubuntu.com?
[21:07] <KunaPrime> yes from live usb made form standardn 19.04 ISO
[21:08] <tomreyn> KunaPrime: and which command were you running when this output was produced?
[21:08] <KunaPrime> man <some progam>, for example 'man erl'
[21:09] <KunaPrime> erl manpages are installed
[21:12] <tomreyn> KunaPrime: oh wait are you saying this is happening while you are running the live usb, not on a persistent installation?
[21:13] <KunaPrime> tomreyn: no it has been install via bootable usb, but this is happenning on permanent install
[21:19] <guntbert> KunaPrime: tomreyn: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Minimal
[21:19] <tomreyn> KunaPrime: hmm i can only find this message and the "unminimize" script mentioned on web sites dealing with docker and the "livecd-rootfs" package. but there's apparently no file of this name in Ubuntu 18.04 or 19.04
[21:20] <KunaPrime> tomreyn: exactly this is the thnig that is confusing me, i have looked at guntbert's link but it isn't helpfull in finding uniminimize script at all
[21:21] <tomreyn> guntbert: right, but KunaPrime stated that this installation was created form a standard installer
[21:21] <KunaPrime> it was
[21:21] <KunaPrime> it is full laptop installation
[21:21] <tomreyn> KunaPrime: do you know the name of the iso file you used?
[21:22] <KunaPrime>  ubuntu-19.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:22] <kadiro> Hello, How to remove spice-vdagent without removing xubuntu core ?
[21:23] <tomreyn> hmm, interesting. sorry, no idea then, KunaPrime
[21:23] <KunaPrime> is is release form 20190416
[21:23] <KunaPrime> tomreyn: thanks any way
[21:25] <tomreyn> kadiro: you can try running it using apt, and it will ask you to confirm
[21:25] <tomreyn> or add -s to simulate its removal
[21:27] <kadiro> tomreyn> When trying with -s it say remv xubuntu-desktop same for xubuntu-core
[21:31] <tomreyn> kadiro: so apparently you cannot.
[21:32] <kadiro> tomreyn> ok thanks, I have another two problems/errors from my journal
[21:32] <kadiro> The first is: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user kadiro
[21:33] <kadiro> The second is: [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit: Unit blablah bla
[21:33] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running, kadiro ?
[21:34] <kadiro> Especially the first error because my pc take long time to show login session
[21:34] <kadiro> tomreyn> It is xubuntu 18.04
[21:34] <tomreyn> is the system fully updated?
[21:35] <kadiro> tomreyn> of course
[21:36] <tomreyn> can you post this?  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[21:36] <tomreyn> kadiro: ^
[21:36] <kadiro> tomreyn> https://termbin.com/wxl0
[21:37] <threadnaught> Having a bizzare keyboard problem right now, lots of the keys being intermittent but I don't think it's a hardware problem. Left shift+Any letter=>Upper case letter, Right shift+] => }, Left shift+]=>NOTHING
[21:38] <tomreyn> kadiro: thanks, is there actually a notable problem though? are you able to login on lightdm?
[21:38] <kadiro> tomreyn> yes but the session of lightdm take long time to bring up
[21:39] <threadnaught> I'm on 18.04 LTS, just reinstalled fresh
[21:39] <kadiro> tomreyn> when checking journal i see: systemd[1]: session-c3.scope: Killing process 19697 (lightdm) with signal SIGTERM. same for gnome-keyring and greeter
[21:40] <threadnaught> The problem even affects the cryptsetup boot disk unlocker
[21:42] <kadiro> threadnaught> just a very few help for you, type this in your terminal: xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'"
[21:43] <kadiro> with that you can simulate the keys to see which one doesn't work
[21:44] <threadnaught> I've typed it in, what exactly do you want me to do?
[21:44] <threadnaught> kadiro?
[21:45] <kadiro> threadnaught> it will show you the key you typed and its code
[21:45] <kadiro> xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'
[21:45] <kadiro> corrected ^
[21:46] <threadnaught> kadiro: Okay, I've typed that in and all of a sudden my keyboard has stopped misbehaving
[21:46] <threadnaught> I am so confused
[21:47] <threadnaught> wait no it's still broken
[21:47] <kadiro> threadnaught> It must show something like: 36 Return for Return key, 114 Right for Right key and so on
[21:47] <threadnaught> Okay
[21:48] <kadiro> ok then just type: xev and see when you type something if it change or not
[21:53] <threadnaught> kadiro: I ran a few experiments it seems to not capture the keypresses at all https://pastebin.com/W27Nu6cG
[21:54] <threadnaught> It works fine on an external keyboard though, It may be a hardware problem but It seems strange that it would only fail with specific combinations of keypresses
[21:54] <kadiro> threadnaught> both shift keys are detected
[21:54] <threadnaught> kadiro, Yes, Both shift keys are detected, but sometimes left shift and [ are not (even though both are registered individually)
[21:55] <kadiro> ah I see
[21:55] <kadiro> I think the configuration of the keyboard have something strange on it
[21:55] <threadnaught> I'm not an expert on keyboards, but the fact they keys only fail in some combinations would seem to point towards an error further up than hardware?
[21:56] <threadnaught> kadiro: give me a command to run big man :P
[21:56] <kadiro> threadnaught> I can't tell, but It could be software or hardware
[21:57] <kadiro> threadnaught> lol, I'm just a bigginer and my english is not good
[21:57] <threadnaught> kadiro: that's okay dont worry
[21:58] <threadnaught> I'll have a look around and if I can't fix it I'll ask again
[21:58] <kadiro> threadnaught> you can try: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration or dpkg-reconfigure keyboard to see if you can fix that
[22:00] <threadnaught> kadiro: Just ran, going down for reboot
[22:00] <kadiro> ok
[22:04] <threadnaught> Okay, I'm back, that command didn't work, trying every other one in that stackexchange thread lol
[22:04] <kadiro> :D
[22:16] <threadnaught> kadiro: other keys that are intermittent include 8 and k, but they don't break at the same time as } or each other
[22:17] <threadnaught> I've reset just about every setting I can find
[22:19] <kadiro> threadnaught> my guess is the } key is pushed down ( may be ) or another key, if you type the command above 'xev ...' if you see just a code and the name of the key than your keyboard is working but if you see that key and another one like } so my guess could be right
[22:20] <threadnaught> kadiro: Could you paste it again? I restarted
[22:21] <kadiro> xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'
[22:24] <kadiro> brb preparing my medecament
[22:34] <kadiro> ok
[22:44] <Threadnaught> kadiro: it seems to start working sometimes when I hit my laptop really hard. It would appear to be a hardware issue
[22:45] <Threadnaught> good old percussive maintencance
[22:45] <kadiro> Threadnaught> yeah that happen to me, that's why i guessed
[22:45] <Threadnaught> kadiro: thanks for your help anyway, even if it turned out not to work
[22:46] <kadiro> Threadnaught> You are welcome
[23:17] <Ascavasaion> I have two external monitors attached to my laptop, so three displays in total.  Third one usually runs at 1600 x something... Today it has defaulted to 1024 x 768.  I have looked in xrandr but cannot figure it out.  any ideas please?
[23:21] <akemhp_> Ascavasaion, Try arandr you should be able to set the resolution there.
[23:21] <akemhp_> Ascavasaion, How do you connect the 2 other monitors to your laptop? 1 HDMI and 1 USB?
[23:22] <Ascavasaion> akemhp_, One is display port, other is VGA D Sub
[23:22] <akemhp_> Ascavasaion, Ha ok.
[23:25] <Ascavasaion> akemhp_, My initial Q was incorrect... I sais xrandr, I meantr arandr.  arandr is not detecting anything higher than 1025x768 for that monitor
[23:26] <akemhp_> Ascavasaion, Ok, i don't know then, sorry.
[23:33] <causative> the longer my system has been running, the more lag there is in the display, e.g. lag when I drag windows around the screen.  Rebooting fixes temporarily.  It's not a lack of memory.  What can I check?
[23:36] <Vooloo> what is the point of the activities window dropdown menu? All I can do is choose "quit" on every app
[23:39] <tomreyn> causative: systemctl -f   may have some hints on it
[23:40] <tomreyn> causative: you didn't say which ubuntu release and desktop you're running, so providing further suggestions is difficult
[23:45] <JShor> Hello, I'm having some issues getting my Bluetooth set up.  I'm using crouton on a chromebook to use Ubuntu w/ Unity.  When I run sudo lsmod | grep bluetooth I can see this:
[23:45] <Ascavasaion> akemhp_, I figured it out, albeit that I am not totally sure what I did... https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution#377944
[23:45] <Ascavasaion> HAHA!
[23:45] <JShor>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER JShor ttrixeglqeew
[23:45] <Vooloo> #fail
[23:46] <Ascavasaion> Eek
[23:46] <Ascavasaion> JShor, Time for a new password
[23:46] <causative> tomreyn, 18.04.3 LTS, gnome 3.28.4
[23:47] <Vooloo> JShor, you need some numbers
[23:48] <JShor> Damn I'm trying to change my password but can't find my key, unless that was it and someone already changed it on me
[23:48] <JShor> RIP
[23:48] <tomreyn> causative: ah, well then this command will probably output a lot. even more so if you have your own gnome-shell-extensions installed
[23:48] <tomreyn> JShor: there's a password reset mechanism, details in #freenode
[23:49] <causative> what would I be looking for?
[23:50] <tomreyn> causative: i'm not sure. it could be a lot of things really. generally, i recommend to install as few as possible and well picked gnome-shell extensions only.
[23:51] <JShor> Actually I think we're good -- I had already used that key to set my pass and apparently the keys are only good for one use
[23:51] <tomreyn> causative: since they ca have great impact on stability and performance. on a side note, you can always press Alt-F2 and type "r"+ Enter to restart the shell.
[23:55] <causative> restarting the shell got me back to smooth window movements (temporarily)
[23:56] <tomreyn> so you probably hit a gnome-shell-extension or a gnome-shell issue. newer ubuntu releases have performance improvements on gnome-shell.
[23:56] <causative> so I can no longer test, because it's no longer lagging.  I guess next time it starts lagging I'll try disabling extensions, or does disabling an extension also restart gnome?
[23:57] <tomreyn> no, disabling extensions doesn't replace the gnome-shell
[23:57] <causative> I'm using "invert window color", "ubuntu appindicators," and "system-monitor"
[23:58] <dax> JShor: yeah, the VERIFY REGISTER code is a one-time key not connected to your password, so you're fine :)
[23:58] <tomreyn> have a look at the frequency in which those throw traces and if there are some which do it a lot consider removing or replacing it.
[23:59] <causative> great, thanks :)


[19:04] <frem> Hello. I'm trying to use two monitors to display my desktop, but I only see "Screen 1" in the XFCE display settings.
[19:05] <Sysi> have you logged out and back in?
[19:05] <frem> Several times.
[19:05] <Sysi> what video card?
[19:05] <frem> Intel X3100 GMA
[19:07] <frem> I set different desktop wallpaper on each screen (the wallpaper manager sees both of them), and if I log in with my external monitor unplugged, I get the wallpaper for my laptop's screen. If I log in with the external monitor plugged in, it defaults to using the max resolution and wallpaper of the external monitor on both screens.
[19:08] <frem> I don't have an xorg.conf file, either. X.org is apparently running on autopilot.
[19:09] <frem> (...and I should probably mention that I'm using 9.10 beta. But I had this issue with 9.04 as well.)
[19:21] <Besogon> What is the decision to resolve problem "Sound turn off with boot".  I have found that my autostart had string like Exec=pactl load-module module-x11-xsmp, but my ubunntu haven't that module. Command "alsactl init" helps, but I think If it right way?
[20:20] <furyinsane> need help: my system doesn't display "network" when i click "places". why?
[21:32] <jarnos> Where can I get list of packages included in Xubuntu default installation?
[22:32] <adri_> The screen brightness control in "Power management" does not work. I'm using an ASUS Laptop (M70sa)
[23:34] <adri_> I'm new to ubuntu so I do not know what part of Xubuntu takes care of this. What controls the screen brightness?
[23:35] <masterfu> how do i enable desktop effects with compiz
[23:35] <ochosi> masterfu, install the compiz packages, go to the terminal and enter "compiz --replace"
[23:37] <masterfu> and how do i upgrade to xubuntu 9.04 with 4gb of hard disk space?
[23:38] <ochosi> masterfu, reformulate your question. what exactly is the problem with 4gb of hdd space?
[23:39] <masterfu> i have 8.10 now, upgraded from 8.04 before
[23:39] <masterfu> but now i want go to 9.04
[23:39] <masterfu> but it wont upgrade because the update manager says i have not enought space
[23:40] <masterfu> 1.15gb space left and xubuntu needs 1.5 gb space i think
[23:40] <ochosi> right, so you have a total of 4gb but only 1.15 of it is free?
[23:40] <masterfu> yep
[23:41] <masterfu> my laptop total hard disk space is 40 gb
[23:41] <masterfu> but i give 32 gb to windows
[23:41] <masterfu> and i give xubuntu 4gb
[23:41] <ochosi> so is there no way you could release 500mb for the upgrade? (like: temporarily move stuff to external media)
[23:41] <masterfu> today i upgraded to 8.10 from 8.04, and now i tried to go to 9.04
[23:42] <masterfu> i dont know how i m new to this OS
[23:43] <ochosi> well if you haven't made many changes to the system you could just as well do a fresh install of 9.04
[23:43] <masterfu> that means i have to backup stuff in my windows partition right?
[23:44] <masterfu> cause the best way to duel boot windows and xubuntu is reformat my whole harddisk
[23:44] <ochosi> no, you can just do a fresh install of xubuntu 9.04 on that partition where 8.10 resides now. the rest wouldn't be touched
[23:44] <ochosi> why would you reformat your whole harddisk?
[23:45] <masterfu> i tried to just install xubuntu on my ex3 partition
[23:45] <masterfu> but i want to keep all my data fom the old install
[23:46] <masterfu> also my harddisk seems to have problems when i clean out the ex3 paritition
[23:47] <ochosi> sry, you have to be more specific ("problems" - what problems? etc)
[23:47] <masterfu> its a laptop i brought in 2006
[23:47] <masterfu> and my hard disk seems to be corrupted for unknown reasons
[23:48] <ochosi> well, you can always back up your data and reformat the whole drive
[23:48] <ochosi> maybe that helps with the corruption issues
[23:48] <masterfu> when i reformat the ex3 partition, it cleans the xubuntu installation and wont let me install a new system again
[23:49] <ochosi> but anyways i gotta go now, hopefully there's someone else here who can help you
[23:49] <masterfu> ok thx
[23:49] <masterfu> bye
[23:49] <ochosi> bye


[23:21] <girasquid> I'm using the Foreman gem to export upstart config files - I exported an upstart config, and when I run `sudo start <my app>` I get told it's running, but..when I do `ps aux | grep <my app>` I see nothing, and /var/log/<my app> seems to be empty. How/where should I be looking to debug why upstart is telling me it started my service, but my processes aren't running?


[00:40] <lazypower> bic2k: Are you still working through moving your juju install? I just recently did that.
[00:43] <bic2k> lazypower: I think I got it figured out, added the new machines ssh key to the authorized_hosts on machine/0. So far so good, but haven't tried any fancy stuff yet
[00:44] <lazypower> Yeah, That was my gotchya I ran into. I ended up just sharing the SSH key with the new host and all was well with the world.
[00:44] <lazypower> Considering i've only done this with AWS and LOCAL environments I cannot speak to the openstack specifics.
[11:39] <michal_s> marcoceppi: I have deployed clean WP on Azure, with no tuning and with juju set wordpress wp-content=git@github.com:smereczynski/jujuwp-content.git. Again nothing. I have logs from machines 0 and 1 here: https://gist.github.com/smereczynski/8236592
[11:40] <michal_s> marcoceppi: clould You please tell me if I'm doing sth wrong?
[11:55] <marcoceppi> michal_s: huh, that's odd. One min
[11:59] <michal_s> marcoceppi: no problem, You don't need to hurry
[11:59] <michal_s> I wish to present Juju and Windows Azure to students and this one thing seems to not work properly :/
[12:04] <marcoceppi> michal_s: yeah, the code looks sound, as it should work, I'm going to spin it up - it's just bailing before doing the do_vcs function
[12:09] <michal_s> marcoceppi: If You wish, I can give You code for Windows Azure test account
[12:10] <michal_s> with this code You can create subscription without credit card
[12:10] <marcoceppi> michal_s: no, that's okay. I've got accounts in all the clouds
[12:10] <michal_s> ok :)
[12:35] <marcoceppi> michal_s: can you describe "doing nothing"
[12:36] <marcoceppi> if you ssh and move to /var/www/wp-content do you not see your git stuff?
[13:16] <michal_s> marcoceppi: there is no my stuff in wp-content
[13:16] <marcoceppi> michal_s: is the deployment still running?
[13:16] <michal_s> yes
[13:16] <marcoceppi> I think there's an idempotentcy issue with the charm
[13:16] <marcoceppi> michal_s: have you completed the setup?
[13:17] <marcoceppi> via the web interface
[13:17] <michal_s> yes, setup is completed
[13:17] <michal_s> site is running
[13:17] <marcoceppi> michal_s: run `juju set wordpress wp-content=https://github.com/smereczynski/jujuwp-content.git`
[13:18] <marcoceppi> just so that the command is a different value, and the config-changed hook will run
[13:20] <michal_s> agent-state-info: 'hook failed: "config-changed"'
[13:20] <michal_s> from juju status
[13:20] <michal_s> and no changes in wp-config
[13:21] <michal_s> share juju config output?
[13:21] <michal_s> juju status*
[13:23] <michal_s> https://gist.github.com/smereczynski/8237758
[13:24] <marcoceppi> michal_s: well, a config-changed error, that's interesting. Can you pastebin the /var/log/juju/unit-wordpress-0.log from wordpress/0?
[13:25] <michal_s> ok, moment
[13:28] <michal_s> marcoceppi: https://gist.github.com/smereczynski/8237809
[13:28] <marcoceppi> michal_s: try `juju resolved --retry wordpress/0`
[13:29] <michal_s> marcoceppi: ok, it works!
[13:30] <marcoceppi> michal_s: interesting, there's an idempotency error in the charm during configuration changes.
[13:30] <marcoceppi> michal_s: I'll file a bug and try to follow up with a patch next week
[13:30] <michal_s> great :) Thank You very much for Your help
[17:58] <tclarke> having trouble d/ling charms due to https/ssl intercept firewall. Is there a way to disable cert checking (alternately, where is the cacert file juju uses so I can add the firewall certs)
[18:15] <marcoceppi> tclarke: downloading charms where?
[18:17] <tclarke> ERROR cannot get latest charm revision: Get https://store.juju.ubuntu.com/charm-info?charms=cs%3Aprecise%2Fjuju-gui: failed to parse certificate from server: x509: RSA modulus is not a positive number
[18:17] <tclarke> juju deploy juju-gui
[18:20] <marcoceppi> fwereade: Is there a way to disable cert checking during deploy?
[18:20] <marcoceppi> tclarke: One way around this is to deploy from local
[18:20] <marcoceppi> tclarke: you can download the charm to your computer, then run a deploy using that version
[18:21] <tclarke> where does juju get it's cacert's from? I can always add the local ones there
[18:26] <marcoceppi> tclarke: it's in the public chain
[18:27] <tclarke> the standard /etc/ssl chain?
[18:28] <marcoceppi> yeah, they use a cert for all of *.ubuntu.com
[18:29] <tclarke> I'll try installing the firewall certs there (the problem is ssl intercept proxies rewrite the cert chain for all ssl)
[18:34] <tclarke> is there information on how to setup a local mirror? the only thing I see re: local repositories involves writing your own, nothing on how to pull a cs charm to a local mirror  and deploy
[18:36] <marcoceppi> tclarke: you can use charm-tools to download charms
[18:36] <marcoceppi> from the stable ppa (ppa:juju/stable)
[18:36] <marcoceppi> once installed, and you have your directory structure, just `juju charm get <charm-name>`
[18:37] <marcoceppi> there's a juju charm get-all but it takes forever to run, better to just grab the ones you're interested in
[18:39] <tclarke> juju charm get juju-gui
[18:39] <tclarke> Error: Could not locate charm in store.
[18:40] <marcoceppi> tclarke: oh, haha, it uses SSL as well
[18:40] <marcoceppi> to look up things via the API
[18:40] <marcoceppi> tclarke: if you have bazaar installed, try `bzr branch lp:charms/juju-gui`
[22:11] <surgemcgee> Is it possible to set up a meeting or maybe discuss our cloud infrastructure needs here? It is hard to wrap ones mind around the concept of cloud scalability. I would be licensing the charm GPL v3.
[22:33] <hatch> surgemcgee this would be a good place but it looks like most people are offline atm, maybe try back tomorrow or Monday
[23:06] <marcoceppi> surgemcgee: check pm


[03:42] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-October/004840.html
[03:42] <valorie> !testing
[03:43] <valorie> hmmm, not the one I want
[03:43] <valorie> !testers
[03:43] <valorie> perfect
 Nice!  No modeset or custom editing the grub line for the hybrid laptop live boot. This is a 1st for a Kubuntu boot.  :)
 @DarinMiller, 👍
[04:55] <valorie> excellent!
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqN7oH977H0
 Fun watching Alan....he has 500GB of VM's.... crazy.
 Wow, legacry Nvidia-340 driver auto installed during install during OS install... nice.
 Ubiquity is still very slow at detecting hard drives....
 NVidia driver install durnig OS install does slow down the process.  Might have to compare times of with and without video drivers....
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2XhccvmJCU


[03:17] <proudhawk> ok, anyone have some time? I placed 10.04 LTS on a powerbook G3. the only thing that won;t work is orca. espeak will not speak and generates a huge log file with bad instruction ))).... nd the default synthasizer reverts to dummy and all that says is to check the logs
[03:17] <proudhawk> without a working orca, I can't use that machine portably. as it is, I have to ssh into it just to use it
[03:18] <proudhawk> so? anyone have a clue or am I whistling in the dark here (bad joke from a blind person, but what can I say)
[03:19] <proudhawk> ooops. thats bad instruction 0000
[05:59] <proudhawk> well, I've been in here over 2 hours and not one peep. what kind of help channel is this?
[07:19] <proudhawk> gah! I give up. no answers here
[07:29] <AlanBell> dammit
[07:30] <AlanBell> need more people idling in here
[11:06] <UndiFineD> good morning
[11:06] <AlanBell> morning
[11:07] <AlanBell> ah, UndiFineD, have you seen the personas and background to that project?
[11:08] <UndiFineD> yes I have seen the page
[11:09] <AlanBell> which one do you want to take on?
[11:09] <AlanBell> Daniela would be a good one if you know orca
[11:18] <UndiFineD> yes i can do that
[11:24]  * AlanBell updates some wiki pages
[18:00] <proudhawk> ok, anyone alive in here?
[18:01] <UndiFineD> hello proudhawk
[18:02] <UndiFineD> you were in before :)
[18:02] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, you had a question about orca / espeak ?
[18:03] <proudhawk> there uou are
[18:04] <UndiFineD> sorry, I was asleep earlier
[18:04] <proudhawk> I have a problem on 10.04 LTS where orca doesn't work correctly. everything else works except that one thing (and only in the dummy driver)
[18:05] <proudhawk> this is on a powerbook G3 lombard
[18:05] <UndiFineD> I have not encountered that issue before but I will search for it, for a potential cause
[18:06] <proudhawk> the espeak logs are like 700 MB large
[18:06] <proudhawk> I can post snippets of logs here.
[18:07] <UndiFineD> please, paste logs to paste.ubuntu.com
[18:07] <proudhawk> I'll have to trim the espeak one. its huge
[18:07] <UndiFineD> I understand :)
[18:09] <proudhawk> hang on one. ssh'ing into that box now.
[18:13] <proudhawk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/525209/
[18:14] <proudhawk> there is the paste
[18:14] <proudhawk> I hate having to use voiceover on an ssh llink just to use a machine I want to use by itself
[18:16] <proudhawk> I haven't tried 10.10 LTS yet
[18:17] <UndiFineD> sorry proudhawk I just had a orca crash on me myself
[18:19] <UndiFineD> 10.10 is not a LTS version
[18:19] <proudhawk> oh really? its up there
[18:20] <UndiFineD> but the official support lasts till the next Long Term Support version
[18:22] <proudhawk> ok, so, I stick with 10.04 and try to figure out why orca won't use the default synth and espeak spits out a huge log, slows the machine to the point of unusability and then forces a hard boot
[18:22] <UndiFineD> is this your message ?
[18:22] <UndiFineD> When starting espeak, the following error message is displayed. Invalid
[18:22] <UndiFineD> instruction 0000 for phoneme followed by a letter such as h or l. This message
[18:22] <UndiFineD> is repeatedly shown in the terminal untill espeak ends with a segmentation
[18:22] <UndiFineD> fault. I am using Debian Squeeze on a powerpc64 machine. Thanks.
[18:22] <proudhawk> no
[18:23] <proudhawk> part of that is related, but is not my message
[18:23] <UndiFineD> then it is found by another powerpc user as well
[18:30] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, there is a patch available
[18:30] <UndiFineD> it was released on august 1st
[18:31] <UndiFineD> so you will need a version higher than: 1.43.03
[18:31] <proudhawk> it didnt update then
[18:32] <UndiFineD> on ubuntu 10.10 that is: espeak --help
[18:32] <UndiFineD> eSpeak text-to-speech: 1.44.04  14.Sep.10
[18:33] <proudhawk> too many messages at once. I didn;'t understand any of that
[18:33] <UndiFineD> ubuntu 10.10 does have the patched version
[18:33] <UndiFineD> it is espeak version 1.44.04
[18:34] <proudhawk> ok
[18:34] <UndiFineD> released on september 14th
[18:34] <proudhawk> so I need to get the 10.10 version
[18:35] <UndiFineD> let me search for that one in 10.04
[18:35] <proudhawk> ok
[18:41] <UndiFineD> you can download the .deb file and install it manually
[18:41] <UndiFineD> it only depends on one library
[18:41] <UndiFineD> libportaudio0
[18:42] <UndiFineD> you can download it from this location
[18:43] <UndiFineD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/espeak-data_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[18:45] <UndiFineD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[18:45] <UndiFineD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/espeak_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[18:46] <proudhawk> you keep sending too fast, growl sends everything to voiceover at the same time
[18:46] <proudhawk> can you send the link for the download and whatever instructions needed to install?
[18:46] <proudhawk> tooo many at once
[18:46] <Pici> Er, some of those links are for different arches.
[18:47] <UndiFineD> yeah I just noticed Pici
[18:48] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, I will make it easy
[18:48] <proudhawk> ok, what I got was a lot of noise because they all tried to speak at once. have a heart heree, I am blind and need to get messages 1 line at time
[18:49] <Pici> Sorry.
[18:50] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/525225/
[18:51] <proudhawk> none of those links seem to be for ppc
[18:51] <UndiFineD> ubuntu only releases i386 and amd64
[18:52] <proudhawk> grrrrrr
[18:52] <UndiFineD> there is http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
[18:53] <proudhawk> great.... I'm going to have to compile from sources
[18:54] <proudhawk> you have any idea how long thats going to take on a 333 Mhz processor?
[18:55] <UndiFineD> long enough and terribly confusing for you
[18:56] <proudhawk> it was bad enough when I had a little sight, now that I have none, its a new ball game
[18:57] <UndiFineD> my girlfriend is blind on one eye and so is my daughter
[18:57] <proudhawk> hmmm. one eye only?
[18:58] <UndiFineD> the other side is failing, Kootz disease
[18:58] <proudhawk> I am cursed with having BOTH eyes in that condition
[18:59] <proudhawk> ouch
[18:59] <proudhawk> which one has that
[19:00] <UndiFineD> so now, I am afraid I will have to find someone else with a powerpc to compile a linux binary espeak for you
[19:01] <UndiFineD> both of them
[19:01] <proudhawk> I wish I had a g4 here. then I could have you remotely access it
[19:02] <UndiFineD> the last one ibm made is a power6
[19:02] <proudhawk> oh man. I can teell you that you are going to be in for a lot of emotions
[19:02] <UndiFineD> very rare
[19:03] <proudhawk> so I've heard
[19:03] <UndiFineD> we already are, all of us have ADD
[19:03] <proudhawk> just wait, there's more
[19:05] <proudhawk> mine happened 4 months ago from an infection
[19:06] <proudhawk> this means I m still dealing with the loss
[19:08] <proudhawk> so, how far along are they?
[19:08] <UndiFineD> so besides learning you dealing with the change too
[19:09] <proudhawk> I would recammend they learn braille asap. better to learn now than later
[19:10] <proudhawk> and, my spelling sucks
[19:11] <UndiFineD> I make more typos than you in an hour
[19:11] <proudhawk> rea lly? I am still relearning to touchtype
[19:14] <UndiFineD> just posted the question to the forum and on #ubuntu
[19:15] <UndiFineD> hope someone will respond soon
[19:15] <UndiFineD> to compile it for you
[19:15] <proudhawk> well, I might be able to get some sighted assistance here, but they wont be computer litterate
[19:15] <proudhawk> I missed the first 2 lines of that, can you repeat
[19:16] <UndiFineD> just posted the question to the forum and on #ubuntu
[19:16] <proudhawk> ok
[19:16] <UndiFineD> hope someone will respond soon
[19:16] <proudhawk> ok
[19:17] <proudhawk> I hope it doesn't take too long
[19:19] <proudhawk> anyway, I can be reached via e-mail at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:19] <proudhawk> if you need some help dealing with the blindness issues, let me know
[19:21] <UndiFineD> thank you
[19:22] <proudhawk> if you can, you can send notice there about the patch as well. I have to go, rent due
[19:23] <proudhawk> bbiab
[19:25] <UndiFineD> ok proudhawk
[19:34] <UndiFineD> proudhawk,
[19:34] <UndiFineD> it appears they are already available on another location
[19:35] <Pendulum> hiya
[19:35] <UndiFineD> he penelope
[19:39] <JanC> hi UndiFineD  ☺
[19:39] <UndiFineD> :)
[19:39] <JanC> so, yeah, there is an archive for PPC, just not on the main archive server, but on the ports server instead
[19:40] <UndiFineD> I am waiting for proudhawk to return
[19:42] <JanC> also, the PPC builds are probably not well-tested, but you can only try...
[19:45] <UndiFineD> the issue was this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:47] <JanC> makes sense
[21:02] <proudhawk> I am back
[21:02] <UndiFineD> great
[21:02] <Pendulum> hi proudhawk
[21:03] <Pendulum> btw, hi UndiFineD
[21:03] <Pendulum> sorry I haven't been around. I did a couple days post-UDS at Disney and now I'm recovering and fighting ubuflu :-/
[21:03] <UndiFineD> we solved your issue proudhawk
[21:03] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/get-espeak.sh
[21:04] <proudhawk> is that for me?
[21:04] <UndiFineD> yes
[21:04] <proudhawk> I run the script there and it gets the file, correct?
[21:05] <UndiFineD> yes, that script will get the files and install them
[21:05] <JanC> eh, wouldn't it be better to set the correct sources?
[21:05] <JanC> correct apt sources
[21:06] <JanC> or is this for a debian system?
[21:06] <UndiFineD> yes it would JanC
[21:06] <UndiFineD> but it is eassier when he can hear what he is doing .. right
[21:07] <JanC> oh, as a workaround to get started, right
[21:07] <JanC> forgot about that, sorry
[21:07] <proudhawk> this is why I will be running from an ssh session to the machine in question
[21:07] <UndiFineD> do I need to repost the script proudhawk  ?
[21:08] <proudhawk> ok, had to install lynx there so I can get the script
[21:09] <proudhawk> I copied the link
[21:09] <UndiFineD> wget does the same thing, without leaving the commandline
[21:09] <proudhawk> there is that
[21:09] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/get-espeak.sh
[21:09] <JanC> w3m is often installed by default instead of lynx nowadays
[21:10] <proudhawk> btw, my xchat beeped but didn't report a message to growl. was that a whisper defind?
[21:11] <UndiFineD> JanC, for proudhawk I leave deliberate pauzes in the chat
[21:11] <JanC> UndiFineD: okay, I will shutup for now  ☺
[21:11] <proudhawk> ok, I heard the beep, but no speech.
[21:11] <UndiFineD> no I did not whisper to you proudhawk
[21:12] <proudhawk> ok, something is up. I know there is text there, but growl doesn't think its a chan message.
[21:13] <UndiFineD> you can execute the script by
[21:13] <UndiFineD> bash get-espeak.sh
[21:13] <proudhawk> ok
[21:14] <proudhawk> btw, you sent text to the chan differently than this last 2 times. I had to screen revview to find out what it was
[21:14] <charlie-tca> hello, Pendulum
[21:14] <Pendulum> hi charlie-tca
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Made it home?
[21:15] <charlie-tca> It was great to meet you finally at UDS!
[21:15] <Pendulum> yes
[21:15] <Pendulum> good to meet  you too
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Let me know if there are any issues with the wiki changes. It is a continuous process
[21:16] <charlie-tca> I have two days a week to documentation/wiki/etc
[21:16] <charlie-tca> two days to bugs now
[21:18] <proudhawk> looks like some errors. let me paste to the site
[21:18] <UndiFineD> ok
[21:20] <proudhawk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/525308/
[21:20] <Pendulum> I got home about 3 hours ago so I am no where near that organised yet
[21:20] <UndiFineD> get-espeak.sh: line 4: pause: command not found
[21:21] <UndiFineD> that aint so bad
[21:21] <proudhawk> look further down
[21:21] <proudhawk> it gets dicey
[21:21] <UndiFineD> ah yes
[21:22] <UndiFineD> wrong order of installation
[21:22] <proudhawk> oh man!
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: sorry. Sounds like you might want to get a little rest
[21:22] <UndiFineD> the last one was needed first
[21:23] <UndiFineD> sudo dpkg --install libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:23] <UndiFineD> sudo dpkg --install espeak_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:24] <proudhawk> I tried the first one you just pasted.
[21:25] <proudhawk> sudo dpkg --install libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:25] <proudhawk> (Reading database ... 108091 files and directories currently installed.)
[21:25] <proudhawk> Preparing to replace libespeak1 1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1 (using libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb) ...
[21:25] <proudhawk> Unpacking replacement libespeak1 ...
[21:25] <proudhawk> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libespeak1:
[21:25] <proudhawk>  libespeak1 depends on libportaudio2 (>= 19+svn20100220); however:
[21:25] <proudhawk>   Version of libportaudio2 on system is 19+svn20090620-0ubuntu2.
[21:25] <proudhawk> dpkg: error processing libespeak1 (--install):
[21:25] <proudhawk>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[21:25] <proudhawk> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:25] <proudhawk>  libespeak1
[21:25] <proudhawk> its fighting me
[21:26] <proudhawk> the version is >= and it still complains?
[21:27] <UndiFineD> yes it is, because that one is not available
[21:28] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: yeah. i really have only about 3 things I'm planning on getting done
[21:29] <proudhawk> thats nuts. not available. I hate having to do this the hard way. I just once I'd like to have something that "just works"
[21:29] <UndiFineD> so do we proudhawk
[21:30] <proudhawk> can you say that in regular chat. growl isn't reading that
[21:30] <Pendulum> proudhawk: err. I meant only 3 (minor) things I plan on getting done this week
[21:30] <UndiFineD> so do we
[21:31] <proudhawk> hmmmm. I think I see the probelem. growl thinks that anything addressed to me is not a chan message.
[21:33] <UndiFineD> I am looking for the libportaudio2 library
[21:33] <Pendulum> bah, I fail at typing
[21:33]  * Pendulum goes away
[21:33]  * UndiFineD gives a hug to Pendulum
[21:37] <UndiFineD> proudhawk,
[21:37] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/portaudio19/portaudio19-dev_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:38] <UndiFineD> hmm, that might be wrong
[21:39] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/portaudio19/libportaudio2_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:39] <proudhawk> ok, check that and let me know. I haven't figured out growl yet
[21:40] <UndiFineD> last line
[21:41] <proudhawk> GAH! dependency errors.
[21:42] <proudhawk> (Reading database ... 108091 files and directories currently installed.)
[21:42] <proudhawk> Preparing to replace libportaudio2 19+svn20090620-0ubuntu2 (using libportaudio2_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb) ...
[21:42] <proudhawk> Unpacking replacement libportaudio2 ...
[21:42] <proudhawk> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libportaudio2:
[21:42] <JanC> maybe it's better to let proudhawk download a correct APT sources.lst first?
[21:42] <proudhawk>  libportaudio2 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.5~dfsg-14) | libjack-0.116; however:
[21:42] <proudhawk>   Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed.
[21:42] <proudhawk>   Package libjack-0.116 is not installed.
[21:42] <proudhawk> dpkg: error processing libportaudio2 (--install):
[21:42] <proudhawk>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[21:42] <proudhawk> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:42] <proudhawk>  libportaudio2
[21:42] <proudhawk> I might need that.
[21:43] <JanC> proudhawk: what version of Ubuntu are you trying to use?
[21:43] <UndiFineD> yes like JanC said you need a correct apt  sources.list
[21:43] <proudhawk> got one handy?
[21:46] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list
[21:48] <UndiFineD> and that one needs to replace /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:48] <proudhawk> replace that one with my current one?
[21:48] <proudhawk> thats what I thought
[21:49] <JanC> UndiFineD: I'm not sure that's correct
[21:49] <proudhawk> let me make a backup first
[21:49] <JanC> UndiFineD: you probably need to remove the "ubuntu" at the end of the URL
[21:49] <JanC> URLs
[21:49] <UndiFineD> oh ok
[21:49] <proudhawk> kk. let me edit it
[21:50] <UndiFineD> I am not sure if security does patches for powerpc
[21:51] <JanC> there is a -security repository
[21:52] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list
[21:52] <proudhawk> updating
[21:53] <proudhawk> ok, that one was a bust, I'll try the last one
[21:55] <proudhawk> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/restricted Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/main Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/multiverse Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Fetched 38.7kB in 2s (18.6kB/s)
[21:55] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/restricted/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/universe/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[21:56] <JanC> security repositories are also on ports.ubuntu.com, not security.ubuntu.com
[21:56] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[21:56] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:57] <proudhawk> got it
[21:57] <proudhawk> let me edit the sources list and change security
[21:58] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list
[21:58] <UndiFineD> already updated
[21:59] <proudhawk> woot
[22:00] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get update   working for you ?
[22:00] <proudhawk> yes
[22:00] <proudhawk> installing 2 packages that weren't installed now
[22:01] <UndiFineD> and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:02] <proudhawk> gah!
[22:03] <UndiFineD> issues ?
[22:04] <proudhawk> package not available but referenced  by another package
[22:04] <JanC> \o/ (emoticon representing a person throwing his/her two hands in the air, yelling "yipee")
[22:04] <JanC> oops
[22:04] <JanC> yelling too early...
[22:04] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0 is not available, but is referred to by another package
[22:05] <proudhawk> all I need is those 2 and I can get everything working.
[22:06] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/j/jackd2/libjack-jackd2-0_1.9.6~dfsg-1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[22:08] <proudhawk> these twothis is getting frustrating
[22:08] <proudhawk> more dependency errors
[22:09] <proudhawk> conflicting packages
[22:10] <proudhawk> is there a force command with dpkg?
[22:10] <UndiFineD> yes
[22:10] <UndiFineD> dpkg --force --install
[22:11] <proudhawk> says unknown options
[22:12] <UndiFineD> JanC, is it dpkg --force-install
[22:12] <proudhawk> nope
[22:12] <JanC> you should use apt-get
[22:13] <JanC> if possible
[22:14] <UndiFineD> which packages are conflicting ?
[22:14] <UndiFineD> libjack-jackd2-0 and ?
[22:14] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0 conflicts with libjack0
[22:14] <proudhawk> looking force-help now
[22:16] <proudhawk> looks like force-all will work
[22:19] <proudhawk> it didn't like that. had to upgrade libstdc++6 and than do an apt-get -f install
[22:19] <proudhawk> and now its removing orca
[22:20] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0: Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.5) but 4.4.3-4ubuntu5 is to be installed
[22:21] <proudhawk> this is the problem with bleeding edge
[22:21] <UndiFineD> yes
[22:25] <UndiFineD> proudhawk,
[22:25] <UndiFineD> would it help if we could find someone local for you ?
[22:26] <proudhawk> definitely
[22:26] <proudhawk> I just don't have any spare money to give them
[22:26] <proudhawk> btw, I am in phoenix arizona
[22:27] <UndiFineD> money ? most us love to help out, for free
[22:27] <proudhawk> :) I usually try to donate some funds. unfortunately, this month has been thin (fixed incomes are a drag)
[22:31] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.5); however:
[22:31] <proudhawk>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.4.3-4ubuntu5
[22:32] <proudhawk> and I can't seem to find that later version. brb nature break
[22:33] <UndiFineD> :)
[22:35] <proudhawk> ok back
[22:35] <UndiFineD> I found a loco channel for you: #Ubuntu-US-AZ
[22:36] <UndiFineD> which you could join for local support and maybe meet up with people
[22:38] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gcc-4.5/libstdc++6_4.5.1-9ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[22:38] <proudhawk> linux never seemed to pose this much of a problem before (and that was back whe I only had limited eyesight). UndefineD ty for the info. btw, reguarding your family member and the other half that are going blind, you are going to find this much frustration. I am trying to work through it myself. all I can say is, be patient and if they say they can't do something, show them how
[22:38] <UndiFineD> which is part of gcc-4.5
[22:39] <UndiFineD> so
[22:39] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get install gcc-4.5
[22:41] <proudhawk> it hung reading package lists
[22:42] <UndiFineD> man your install gives issues
[22:43] <proudhawk> this is just 10.04. I wonder what 10.10 LTS will bring
[22:43] <UndiFineD> maybe it is best to find some local knowledgeable support first
[22:43] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, we are working on that :)
[22:44] <proudhawk> grrrrr. growl still doesn't read messages with my name in them
[22:44] <UndiFineD> we are working on that :)
[22:45] <UndiFineD> lets introduce you on #Ubuntu-US-AZ
[22:45] <proudhawk> I am using Xchat with growl under OS X snow leopard. its the only accessible method I have to use irc with VoiceOVer
[22:52] <proudhawk> certainly is slow in there
[22:53] <UndiFineD> yorokobi spoke to me, but he is keeping quiet, probably because he thinks he cannot help
[22:54] <proudhawk> hmmm. well, some assistance is better than none
[22:56] <proudhawk> E: Couldn't find package gcc-4.5
[22:58] <UndiFineD> very odd
[22:59] <UndiFineD> as it is there on the server


[00:07] <xnox> and all of this needs to be ported back to precise when it gets the next enablemnt kernel.
[00:07] <xnox> *sigh*
[04:23] <infinity> ogasawara: Want to commit something to git for me so Tim doesn't have a grumpy about me uploading things to the archive to fix bugs? :P
[08:05] <bipul> I have a Question which always conflict to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kernel_Layout.svg  In this above pics Kernel is Directly connected with Devices and Memory , But what i know kernel is connected with cpu then via cpu it get connected with Memory and Devices
[09:37] <henrix> apw: remember the -mm patch? it just got accepted into mainline.
[09:38] <henrix> apw: crap! i should have waited one more day before submitting the CVE fix :)
[09:59] <henrix> apw: ok, i've just updated the cve-tracker and linux-overlay with the correct sha1
[10:01] <apw> henrix, heh oh well, great that you have fixed the tracker
[10:02] <henrix> apw: yeah, better do it now while its fresh. next year i wouldn't remember about it :)
[10:04] <apw> infinity, i can take a look at that ...
[10:06] <henrix> apw: btw, is it worth submitting this fix for raring as well? i didn't as i was hoping the fix to hit raring from mainline in this merge window
[10:08] <apw> henrix, well it cannot hurt to put it in R as it will simply rebase out of existance when the real fix hits
[10:09] <henrix> apw: ack, so i'll send it over.
[10:10] <apw> ok ta
[10:10] <henrix> apw: err... that's embarassing... i've sent it already, and it's already in master-next :-/
[10:11] <apw> henrix, heh, then that is good
[10:11] <henrix> apw: its just the cve matrix that didn't got updated. let me figure out what went wrong
[10:13] <apw> henrix, i bet the title isn't the same, U:S: prefix missing or something
[10:14] <henrix> apw: no, it looks correct to me...
[10:14] <apw> henrix, ok then i'll have a look in a bit
[10:15] <henrix> apw: ok, thanks. i guess we can wait a little bit more, as i've just updated it with the upstream sha1...
[10:15] <apw> henrix, shove the CVE number in here in the history so i can keep track
[10:16] <henrix> apw: CVE-2012-4530
[10:16] <henrix> apw: i'll ping you later, after the next run (at :45, right?)
[10:17] <apw> henrix, sure, i am going out for a bit shortly to get some food in before they sell out, so if i am quiet that is why
[10:17] <henrix> apw: no prob :)
[10:18] <henrix> oh, i just realised the raring is set to 'pending' for omap4 and armadaxp...
[10:20] <apw> so those are rebase yes?
[10:20] <henrix> yep
[10:27] <infinity> henrix: omap4 and armadaxp don't have raring kernels, unless someone's finally gotten around to it.
[10:27] <infinity> henrix: I just copy the quantal kernels to raring.
[10:28] <henrix> infinity: hmm, right. i just got confused looking at the CVEs matrix, as it shows them as having raring kernels
[10:28] <henrix> infinity: thanks
[11:32] <xnox> has the number of file-descriptors and/or inotify user_watches been historically something like 4096? looking at the current /proc/sys/fs/[file-max|inotify/max_user_watches] it's much higher (390468 & 524288 respectively)
[11:33] <xnox> (in upstart we try to exhaust inotify watches & check that upstart still works correctly, but it seems like allocating 4096 watches will not do it anymore)
[11:33] <infinity> This seems like it could be a good thing.
[11:34] <infinity> xnox: Also, /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches is 8192 here.  What have you done to your computer?
[11:35] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ cat /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches
[11:35] <infinity> 8192
[11:35] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ uname -r
[11:35] <infinity> 3.7.0-7-generic
[11:35] <xnox> what about file-max?
[11:35] <infinity> It's high.
[11:35] <infinity> 1619078
[11:35] <infinity> Then again, ulimit won't ever let me hit that.
[11:36] <xnox> well, I have ulimit unlimited.
[11:36] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ ulimit -n
[11:36] <infinity> 1024
[11:36] <infinity> Again, your ulimit isn't the default setup.
[11:37]  * xnox runs bog standard ext4 (on top of lvm, crypt)
[11:37] <infinity> But a testsuite that relies on these things might want to try to synthesize such a setup.
[11:37] <xnox> well the idea is that we should exhaust it on a current machine and having artificial caps doesn't make sense to me, we should try to exhaust until we do =)))))
[11:38] <infinity> Could take a while.
[11:38] <xnox> it's a very tight loop, so i would not think so.
[11:39] <infinity> Can't be any worse than the glibc testcase that throws my laptop's load over 10000 (no, that's not a typo).
[11:40] <xnox> nice =)
[11:40] <xnox> actually, interesting to know how glibc testsuite reacts to being niced =)
[13:02] <apw> henrix, did your CVE sort itself out?
[13:03]  * apw bets not cause i don't think the kteam-tools auto update is working at all
[13:06] <henrix> apw: nop :)
[13:06] <henrix> apw: now everything's 'needed', except for the omap4/armadaxp, which are 'pending' (??)
[13:06]  * apw will investigate indeed
[13:07] <henrix> thanks
[13:51]  * henrix -> late lunch
[15:20]  * henrix reboots
[15:32] <apw> henrix, you made it back ... so it turns out to be a simple issue, after much debugging (sigh), i see we are using the wrong branch, master not master-next
[15:33] <henrix> apw: you mean, on the autotriage scripts?
[15:33] <henrix> apw: that makes sense then
[15:34] <apw> heh yeah, doh
[15:34] <apw> and if you look now, its all sane again
[15:34] <henrix> \o/
[15:34] <apw> an hour of debugging the code, wally me
[15:34] <henrix> *g*
[15:35] <henrix> anyway, i'll definitely need to dig deeper into 2 scary parts: the autotriage stuff and the shankbot :p
[15:35] <henrix> these are two things i've been avoiding looking at too closely :)
[15:39] <apw> they are both heaps of complexity for sure
[15:40] <apw> the autotriage stuff is particularly nasty to read :)
[17:45]  * apw wanders off ... have fun people