[12:16] <nikola_> hi
[12:16] <nikola_> whats a good DVD player for kubuntu?
[12:16] <lascar> xine
[12:16] <lascar> and hello nikola
[12:16] <nikola_> xine?
[12:16] <foob> vlc
[12:17] <nikola_> i have vlc
[12:17] <nikola_> but it cant play DVDs as a whole.....
[12:17] <lascar> think of xine as the vlc for linux.  kinda
[12:17] <lascar> yes, they both can
[12:17] <nikola_> like, can it?
[12:17] <nikola_> hmm
[12:17] <nikola_> i know vlc plays vobs
[12:17] <lascar> and whole dvds
[12:17] <nikola_> how do i tell it to play a DVD?
[12:17] <lascar> open
[12:17] <lascar> then dvd
[12:17] <nikola_> menus, subtitles and all
[12:17] <nikola_> ok
[12:17] <nikola_> :)
[12:17] <lascar> and specify the device node
[12:17] <lascar> dev/<dvdplayer_node>
[12:18] <lascar> typically hdd
[12:18] <lupine_85> mplayer++ for DVD playing
[12:18] <lascar> but for xine, nikola_
[12:18] <lascar> it's automatic
[12:18] <lascar> just run it and hit the dvd button
[12:18] <nikola_> haha
[12:18] <nikola_> kewl
[12:18] <lascar> working?
[12:18] <nikola_> tgus worx :P
[12:18] <nikola_> yu[
[12:18] <nikola_> yup
[12:18] <nikola_> now, whats a good ftp program?
[12:19] <lascar> konqueror of course ;)
[12:19] <nikola_> its an ftp program?
[12:19] <lascar> but of course
[12:19] <lascar> and a lot of other things, thanks to kio slaves
[12:19] <foob> the unix philosophy is that programs should do one thing and do it well. konq is nice but there are better ftp clients;0
[12:19] <lupine_85> kioslaves ++
[12:20] <lupine_85> they turn kate into pure win
[12:20] <lascar> ?
[12:21] <maddog39> yoo
[12:22] <lupine_85> lascar: direct editing of html/php/etc on remote servers
[12:22] <lupine_85> it's converted more than one friend of mine to linux :D
[12:24] <Chousuke> the "one tool for one job" is kind of funny nowadays.
[12:24] <Chousuke> I see things like konqueror as a single tool that integrates multiple tools (kioslaves, for example) into one powerful suite.
[12:25] <Chousuke> so you still basically have the separate tools doing their job. they're just presented to you through something that appears to be one tool doing many things. :)
[12:25] <lupine_85> Chousuke: it's still the UNIX way :)
[12:26] <lupine_85> you just don't notice it
[12:26] <Chousuke> yeah.
[12:26] <Chousuke> sometimes it isn't as nice as I say it is though.
[12:26] <Chousuke> but I like that kind of modularity
[12:27] <soulrider> hi everyone :)
[12:27] <Chousuke> the "tools" don't have to be usable by themselves anymore. they can be part of something bigger.
[12:28] <lascar> ah.
[12:28] <lascar> agreed.
[12:28] <lascar> and on that pleasant note
[12:28] <lascar> g'night everyone
[12:30] <mike_> hi every one
[12:30] <mike_> i am trying to get my broadcom bcm4306 wireless card to work under edgy and am having very limited success
[12:30] <mike_> can anyone give some help
[12:33] <mike_> is anyone alive in herre
[12:33] <mike_> here
[12:35] <crusty> hello! iv got problem with adept........cant install or remove program!...cant wirk this out......any help?
[12:35] <soulrider> crusty: youre running it as root right?
[12:35] <crusty> yes
[12:35] <soulrider> when you open it, does it prompt for the password ?
[12:36] <crusty> yes
[12:36] <soulrider> try this:
[12:36] <soulrider> !adeptfix | crusty
[12:36] <ubotu> crusty: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:36] <fdoving> mike_: did you follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ?
[12:36] <crusty> thank i will
[12:37] <b0nn> Hi all, Im trying to get svideo out working on my laptop/kubuntu, and I really dont know where to start, any pointers tips or urls I could follow?
[12:37] <mike_> i had tried the ndis wrapper i am about to start on the fwcutter
[12:37] <mike_> but i have tried that before and failed but not from that doc
[12:37] <foob> im trying to use fuse but when i type "sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1/ -o umask=0007" i get: "Use the force option to work a mounted filesystem. Mount failed." What should I do? is this just because /media/hda1 is already mounted read-only by fstab?
[12:38] <mike_> i had found a lot of docs and most seemed to be incomplete
[12:38] <mike_> thank you fdoving
[12:38] <Minataku> foob: Perhaps the device is already mounted
[12:38] <Minataku> Type "df" to verify
[12:39] <foob> Minataku:  it is, doees that mean it's safe to start writing to ntfs?
[12:39] <foob> its mounted read only like i said tho
[12:39] <Minataku> Really it's NEVER save to write to NTFS
[12:39] <foob> i need to make it mounted for write
[12:39] <foob> i know but you know what i mean ;
[12:39] <mike_> dont use NTFS then
[12:39] <Minataku> And if it's mounted r/o then you need to unmount it first
[12:39] <Minataku> Then remount it
[12:39] <foob> k
[12:39] <fdoving> you're welcome mike_, hope it works for you. Knetworkmanager does not work for me, I recommend kwlan.
[12:40] <Minataku> [18:38:18]  Minataku Really it's NEVER save to write to NTFS << That's from within Windows as well ;D XD
[12:40] <mike_> cool thanks are you using the fwcutter or ndiswrapper
[12:40] <foob> do i type umount /dev/hda1 or umount /media/hda1, to unmount it?
[12:40] <lupine_85> !ntfs-3g
[12:40] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:40] <lupine_85> make a backup
[12:40] <Minataku> foob: Rither
[12:40] <Minataku> *Either
[12:40] <foob> linux rules
[12:41] <foob> just wish i could rule linux
[12:41] <Minataku> foob: Indeed
[12:41] <Minataku> foob: Keep learning, you will soon
[12:41] <Minataku> You made the hardest step already, after all
[12:41] <mike_> that is true Minataku
[12:41] <foob> unmounting/remounting worked, thanks
[12:41] <foob> Minataku:  that's true ;0
[12:42] <foob> im good with most user commands, just need to learn /sbin stuff
[12:43] <foob> where good = terrible
[12:43] <mike_> that is where all your main commands for the system are stored
[12:43] <Minataku> Yeah, that's where the dangerous stuff lives
[12:43] <foob> the fun stuff :)
[12:43] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <foob> stuff that you can use to admin the system from one command line and not have to reboot, unlike windows admining :|
[12:44] <Minataku> I was thinking the other day, "Some things are really dangerous for unskilled users"
[12:44] <mike_> foob check this http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/commands/linux_crfilest.html
[12:44] <Minataku> Then I realized "It's dangerous no matter how skilled you are"
[12:44] <Minataku> What changes is the amount of respect for the dangerous capabilities
[12:44] <mike_> good call
[12:45] <crusty> UBOTU this is what i get from konsole.........Iv got some dependency problem leaving configuration........Errors were encountered while processing:libxine-extracodecs
[12:45] <dwidmann> !bot
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[12:46] <crusty> soulrider how do i run adept fix?
[12:46] <mike_> !adeptfix | crusty
[12:46] <ubotu> crusty: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:47] <mike_> you get that crusty
[12:51] <crusty> ubotu iv done that .......but konsole come out with this.....dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libxine-extracodecs:
[12:52] <Jucato> crusty: ubotu is a bot
[12:52] <foob> i did what it says on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse but when i try to write to my ntfs partition (using "sudo cp bla.txt /media/hda1' it says 'permission denied' any ideas?
[12:52] <crusty> me too!
[12:53] <mike_> because any writing that you need to do to ntf should never be done from Linux this can damage the file system
[12:53] <mike_> all means of writing to ntfs from linux are not stable
[12:53] <mike_> i would not do it if you like having your data
[12:53] <foob> well it was my last chance to save my data, i dont care if it possibly messes up windows
[12:53] <foob> im doing it BECAUSE i like my data!
[12:54] <foob> i have no other way to get my data from ext3 to windows so i can repartition smarter and reinstall windows
[12:54] <mike_> well you run a high risk of osing it
[12:54] <Minataku> foob: Get a backup drive or something and copy it over
[12:54] <foob> otehr than buying a usb harddrive that i cant afford
[12:54] <mike_> losing it if writing from linux to ntfs
[12:54] <Minataku> Which only requires read access
[12:54] <foob> and why does fuse and ntfs-g website say they're pretty safe
[12:55] <crusty> mike-  how do i run adeptfix???
[12:55] <dwidmann> foob, do you have another computer around, or a friends computer you could use to copy t he data to?
[12:55] <foob> dwidmann: come on, you think i havent thought of that, seriouslY? :P
[12:55] <Minataku> foob: They are pretty safe, but Microsoft keeps screwing with NTFS and I'm thinking there might be traps in it
[12:55] <fdoving> nite all.
[12:55] <dwidmann> foob, never know
[12:56] <foob> i hate microsoft :(
[12:56] <Minataku> Remember, Microsoft hates everything that takes money they don't deserve out of their pockets
[12:56] <foob> bill gates is friends with warren buffet, you'd think they'd have more integrity by now
[12:56] <Minataku> Bill Gates doesn't control MS anymore
[12:56] <foob> oh yeah, nm :P
[12:56] <foob> figures
[12:56] <foob> gotta keep it evil
[12:57] <Minataku> That's obvious in that Bill Gates hates DRM and says it should be bypassed/not used
[12:57] <dwidmann> Bill gates doesn't bother me. Steve Ballmer does.
[12:57] <Minataku> So clearly he has absolutely no authority whatsoever
[12:57] <mike_> yea Ballmer is the spawn of satan
[12:57] <foob> whats annoying is avid windows users defend microsoft and say they're not evil. i dont get that, even employees of ms say they're evil, especially ex-employees like joel splosky
[12:57] <Minataku> dwidmann: Anybody NOT bothered by Steve Ballsack is either crazy or getting paid by him
[12:57] <foob> exactly
[12:57] <dwidmann> more than likely the latter
[12:58] <Minataku> No offense to anyone intended in case that matches anyone
[12:58] <foob> ballsack heh
[12:58] <intelikey> Minataku bill is right about that.  DRM is evil     TC = 666
[12:58] <Minataku> intelikey: Indeed
[12:58] <foob> drm is the reason i switched to ubuntu instead of considering vista
[12:58] <Minataku> "Trusted Computing: Because we refuse to trust any of our "customers"."
[12:58] <foob> and now i see a ton more reasons to have made that choice, so the drm helped me get to linux, thus it had a good side ;0
[12:59] <Minataku> Linux makes the TPM chip obey the user, not the corporations
[12:59] <foob> reminds me of aol, how they'll rat out any user to any company that asks
[12:59] <intelikey> Minataku exactly,  but more than that.    "Trusted Computing: Because you can trust us to control every thing you do"
[12:59] <foob> paying for that kind of disservice is crazy
[01:00] <foob> os x and linux are the future
[01:00] <Minataku> foob: Or how Yahoo and Microsoft bent over and turned over their archive of search queries without the slightest bit of a fight
[01:00] <foob> ms will fall
[01:00] <Minataku> foob: NO
[01:00] <Minataku> OSX IS WORSE
[01:00] <foob> nah
[01:00] <Minataku> Apple is 10x more evil than MS
[01:00] <foob> apple at least tries
[01:00] <Minataku> foob: Intel Macs + OSX? _TOTALLY_ TPM'd
[01:00] <dwidmann> I don't know, they both like the idea of lining their pockets with gold.
[01:00] <foob> i could be wrong, i dont even know what tpm means ;0
[01:01] <BombTron> is there a good Virtual Machine piece of software for Kubuntu
[01:01] <foob> at least apple makes quality stuff
[01:01] <kubuntero> dwidmann: politicians and leprachauns ?
[01:01] <Minataku> I'm almost positive that the ONLY reason Apple switched to Intel was to force people into buying Macs built around TCPA
[01:01] <dwidmann> and doing anything and everything they deem necessary to pull it off ...
[01:01] <dwidmann> and lawyers?
[01:01] <foob> BombTron:  vmware, qemu
[01:01] <Jucato> BombTron: vmware-player ?
[01:01] <Minataku> ALL Intel Macs have a TPM chip
[01:01] <foob> vmware-server
[01:01] <kubuntero> BombTron: try Qemu vmware Xen and soon KVM
[01:01] <BombTron> like windows houser
[01:01] <Minataku> And OSX depends on it to function
[01:01] <dwidmann> vmware-server :)
[01:01] <foob> player doesnt let you create vm's, only use existing ones
[01:02] <Jucato> but there's easyvmx for creating quick vm's
[01:02] <kubuntero> foob: Do you have to buy vmware server?
[01:02] <BombTron> I'm finding I need some windows software and wine is not doing shit
[01:02] <Jucato> kubuntero: no
[01:02] <foob> the ONLY thing i dont like about linux is how it doesnt support new hardware
[01:02] <BombTron> I have no VM stuff at all
[01:02] <kubuntero> Cool :)
[01:02] <Jucato> vmware server isn't available in the repos, but it's free
[01:02] <Minataku> foob: Same issue
[01:02] <kubuntero> foob: Please say it correctly
[01:02] <kubuntero> new hardware does not support linux
[01:02] <foob> ?
[01:02] <Minataku> Blame capitalism and "protecting intellectual property"
[01:02] <foob> oh ;0 well yeah
[01:02] <foob> i do
[01:02] <foob> i know its not linux's fault
[01:03] <foob> for the most part, though um
[01:03] <Minataku> Companies won't tell anyone a thing about their hardware anymore
[01:03] <kubuntero> Hooray patents :)
[01:03] <foob> i think too many developers are busy working on stupid gui front ends to everything (probably to gain fame?) when they could be working on drivers and other more important stuff, just my opinion though
[01:03] <BombTron> thanks so vmware server is the place to start?
[01:03] <foob> i dont need yet another mpg-123 front end
[01:04] <BombTron> my google searching
[01:04] <foob> BombTron:  i like it. havent tried qemu though
[01:04] <Minataku> foob: The problem is that nothing is known about the hardware because "it's protected intellectual property" and/or "it'll be used to circumvent DRM and steal intellectual property"
[01:04] <BombTron> foob: ok thanks
[01:04] <Minataku> The second one is going to be the future of video cards
[01:04] <dwidmann> These "stupid gui frontends" happen to attract users, attracting users = attracting developers, so I don't think there's a reason to complain there foob
[01:04] <Jucato> foob: hardware compatibility usually depends on the kernel level, not on the userspace level
[01:04] <foob> luckily more and more reverse engineers are workin for linux now and not just cracking windows software anymore
[01:05] <Minataku> And IIRC the DMCA includes an exception to allow reverse engineering for interoperability purposes
[01:05] <foob> dwidmann: you could be right, i just think it gets out of hand
[01:05] <BombTron> foob: isn't it that windows sacrifices everything for compatablility including resources load and securtity
[01:05] <kubuntero> Minataku: For now the new amendment removes that
[01:05] <foob> BombTron: yeah
[01:05] <dwidmann> new ammendment?
[01:05] <BombTron> windows is compatable and nothing else good really
[01:06] <Minataku> kubuntero: What's this "new amendment" bullexcrement
[01:06] <kubuntero> Wonders when a O-T is gonna be thrown :)
[01:06] <BombTron> the load it runs is horribly
[01:06] <BombTron> horrible
[01:06] <Jucato> !offtopic
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[01:06] <BombTron> ouch
 These "stupid gui frontends" happen to attract users, ?????  really ?
[01:06] <BombTron> !ontopic
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[01:06] <kubuntero> They aer trying to "repass" DMCa with a more restricted law I forget what the acronym is now but it's basically DMCA
[01:06] <Minataku> kubuntero: It better fail, though with Bush we all know how that's going to go
[01:06] <foob> shutdown -topic now
[01:07] <nikola_> HOW DO I GET WIFI TO WORK?
[01:07] <BombTron> sudo make topic ?
[01:07] <Jucato> !wireless
[01:07] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:07] <dwidmann> intelikey, to some extent, anyway.
[01:07] <foob> mknod
[01:07] <BombTron> sorry I don't know make command well
[01:07] <Minataku> Our only hope is that the dems support the new DMCA, that way Bush will throw it away
[01:07] <Minataku> lol
[01:07] <kubuntero> hi nikola_
[01:07] <kubuntero>  :)
[01:07] <nikola_> haha
[01:07] <nikola_> thx
[01:07] <nikola_> :P
[01:07] <nikola_> i will read that
[01:07] <Jucato> nikola_: next time, try not to shout :)
[01:07] <nikola_> and then if i have more questions, ill ask :P
[01:07] <BombTron> DMCA?
[01:07] <nikola_> sry :P
[01:08] <Minataku> As long as it fails, if not then everyone is screwed and computing as we know it will be over
[01:08] <foob> digital management copyright act or whatever
[01:08] <kubuntero> in the support of getting support can I import a .pst?
[01:08] <BombTron> ah
[01:08] <foob> i forget what m means
[01:08] <intelikey> dwidmann hmmm  if you say so.  i thought    well never mind what i thought.
[01:08] <dwidmann> the US gov has gone from bad to worse over the last 6 years :\
[01:08] <foob> probably media
[01:08] <Minataku> Computers will turn black-box and suicide themselves if opened
[01:08] <BombTron> well we don't make anything but intelectual property in the USA
[01:08] <kubuntero> legally
[01:08] <intelikey> kubuntero what's a pst ?
[01:08] <revolution27> just popped in to say i hate drm too
[01:08] <hassan2a> salut
[01:09] <foob> you guys might wanna join #kubuntu-offtopic before you get banned though :P this is a good convo
[01:09] <kubuntero> intelikey: Outlook address Book/mail format
[01:09] <BombTron> !banned
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[01:09] <kubuntero> When you export from outlook it comes out as pst
[01:09] <intelikey> kubuntero export it as csa and you can.
[01:09] <Minataku> As if changing the venue will get more questions answered
[01:09] <nikola_> i have an airport card, would that be an aiport extreme card?
[01:10] <Minataku> Instead of being here not answering questions, we'll be THERE not answering questions
[01:10] <Minataku> XD
[01:10] <kubuntero> intelikey: Ah and suppose the issue at hand is that I can't get outlook to open?
[01:10] <intelikey> csa ?    comma seperated plain text      what ever it is.
[01:10] <malik_> !CLI
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[01:10] <kubuntero> nikola_: When did you get it?
[01:10] <Minataku> But I do apologize for going off-topic
[01:10] <Minataku> Sorry
[01:10] <nikola_> last year
[01:10] <nikola_> iMac G5, last PPC model
[01:10] <hassan2a> nikola_:
[01:10] <hassan2a> !fr
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[01:10] <kubuntero> It's airport extreme
[01:11] <nikola_> mmk
[01:11] <intelikey> kubuntero you can try mozilla it might import it.
[01:11] <kubuntero> Hmm interesting
[01:11] <kubuntero> intelikey: By which you mean thunderbird?
[01:11] <intelikey> yeah
[01:11] <intelikey> or plain mozilla-mailnews
[01:12] <intelikey> either one.
[01:12] <kubuntero> Well the hard drive just disappeared again I'll have to reboot
[01:12] <intelikey> !enter | intelikey
[01:12] <ubotu> intelikey: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:12] <kubuntero> intelikey: You are a good man
[01:12] <intelikey> :)
[01:12] <intelikey> by what standard ?
[01:13] <kubuntero> Here take my advice. I'm not using it!
[01:13] <hassan2a> !enter | hassan2a
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[01:13] <kubuntero> By that standard ^^
[01:13] <intelikey> it's all in what you compare me to i guess.
[01:13] <hassan2a> !ping
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[01:13] <kubuntero> That might be dangerous....
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[01:14] <hassan2a> !wiki ati
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[01:14] <intelikey> !botabuse | ubotu jucato beet me to it.
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[01:15] <hassan2a> what ? why ? when ? where ?
[01:16] <intelikey> hassan2a being banned from a channel is not really a status symbol ya know.
[01:16] <Jucato> he left... :)
[01:16] <nikola_> whats x86?
[01:16] <nikola_> i take it its not what i use?
[01:16] <intelikey> i saw it.
[01:16] <Jucato> 386, 486, 586, 686 architectures
[01:16] <Jucato> aslo includes k6 and k7  for AMD
[01:17] <intelikey> nikola_ short hand for 80?86 processor family
[01:17] <nikola_> aka, not a ppc processor?
[01:17] <Jucato> yep
[01:17] <Jucato> aka not ppc not 64-bit
[01:17] <nikola_> that helps :P
[01:17] <intelikey> actualy no.  k6-7 is x86 compatable  not really included in the familey tho
[01:17] <hatta> how do I stop my screen from blanking?
[01:17] <BombTron> !tofu
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tofu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <hatta> I've turned off the screensaver
[01:18] <hatta> I have a metronome app I want to be able to see as well as hear
[01:18] <intelikey> hatta probably a bios  (power management) setting.
[01:18] <hatta> but after 5 mins or so the screen just shuts off
[01:18] <hatta> well it blanks, not shuts off
[01:18] <BombTron> !gcc-3.4
[01:18] <hatta> hm
[01:18] <ubotu> gcc-3.4: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.6-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 4524 kB
[01:19] <intelikey> BombTron compiling ?
[01:19] <BombTron> is gcc-3.4 kde or gnome or neither
[01:19] <BombTron> vmware server
[01:19] <Jucato> it's for everything
[01:19] <intelikey> !b-e | BombTron
[01:19] <ubotu> BombTron: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:19] <BombTron> but could only find a tutorial for ubuntu
[01:20] <nikola_> ok, i need some help
[01:20] <intelikey> see the link                           ^
[01:20] <nikola_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy/
[01:20] <nikola_> i am there
[01:20] <nikola_> i am looking through the readme part
[01:20] <nikola_> and um
[01:20] <nikola_> ya......
[01:20] <nikola_> System/Library/Extensions/AppleAirPort2.kext/Contents/MacOS/AppleAirPort2
[01:20] <nikola_> i need to extract that?
[01:20] <nikola_> or something?
[01:20] <malik_> hi there my lyrics script is causing the freeze n then sometimes crash of amarok.........also 1.4.4 is alot slower than 1.4.3 on edgy kubuntu kde 3.5.5..............any i deas.......error report is as http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/885/
[01:21] <mfproroc> nikola_: are you on ppc or x86
[01:22] <nikola_> ppc
[01:22] <coreymon77> guys
[01:22] <BombTron> !xinetd
[01:22] <ubotu> xinetd: replacement for inetd with many enhancements. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.3.14-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 356 kB
[01:22] <coreymon77> some guy told me to type sudo rm -rf / into a konsole window, and now it says its deleting stuff that looks important
[01:22] <mfproroc> nikola_: i have had issues with the latest apple drivers - hold on a sec - im looking for the link to use
[01:23] <intelikey> coreymon77 did you actually do that ?
[01:23] <coreymon77> yup
[01:23] <sonicGB> coreymon77: make it stop, now. hit ctrl-c
[01:23] <coreymon77> its not working
[01:23] <intelikey> coreymon77 heh  ok.   well the guy intened that to remove everything on the whole computer
[01:23] <coreymon77> ctrl+c isnt working
[01:24] <fdoving> coreymon77: pull the plug.
[01:24] <adaptr> looks like he succeeded - re-install time :)
[01:24] <adaptr> too late, mates
[01:24] <coreymon77> what
[01:24] <coreymon77> thats what it does
[01:24] <sonicGB> power down coreymon77, then go look for your install disks
[01:24] <coreymon77> its a laptop
[01:24] <kubuntero> coreymon77: Kill the konsole
[01:24] <intelikey> yep he'll have to reinstall everything.
[01:24] <coreymon77> pulling the plug wont do anything
[01:24] <sonicGB> coreymon77: hold the power button down for six or more seconds, it will die
[01:25] <fdoving> coreymon77: remove the battery or whatever.. make it stop, if you have anything you want to see again on it.
[01:25] <Juno> Does the 64-bit Kubuntu run just as well as the i386 will?
[01:25] <intelikey> me considers mentioning   alt+SysRQ+U
[01:25] <coreymon77> you guys are so gullible
[01:25] <nikola_> how do i use fwcutter to extract firmware parts? aka, this: System/Library/Extensions/AppleAirPort2.kext/Contents/MacOS/AppleAirPort2
[01:25] <kubuntero> coreymon77: And put that guy on /ignore
[01:25] <dwidmann> 64-bit kubuntu runs fine
[01:25] <adaptr> coreymon77: I think you meant "serious" there
[01:25] <nikola_> and then how do i know which one to extract?
[01:25] <coreymon77> ive been in this channel for close to a year
[01:26] <coreymon77> and been using linux for close to 6
[01:26] <coreymon77> o know what the command does
[01:26] <kubuntero> nikola_: That's from you Mac hard drive?
[01:26] <fdoving> coreymon77: so why do you ask?
[01:26] <sonicGB> no coreymon77, it was pretty obvious right from the outset that you were trolling. "rm -rf" doesn't report as it removes stuff
[01:26] <coreymon77> i was joking around
[01:26] <Commander-Crowe> whats a good tut on installing XGL/compiz/beryl?
[01:26] <adaptr> coreymon77: and this was you most useful contribution to date , I take it ?
[01:26] <adaptr> !beryl
[01:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:26] <coreymon77> nope
[01:26] <sonicGB> coreymon77: but if I could get you to power your machine down, then I could let the others know that you were a troll without you seeing it.
[01:26] <kubuntero> sonicGB: sudo doesn't
[01:26] <fdoving> coreymon77: we don't joke around. joking around is what #kubuntu-offtopic is for.
[01:26] <adaptr> Commander-Crowe: ^^ that one
[01:26] <intelikey> coreymon77 you could do that command and then look at what all it doesn't actually remove.  believe it or not  sudo rm -fr /   will actually leave a lot of files on the hd
[01:26] <coreymon77> i help people with wireless problems alot
[01:27] <kubuntero> intelikey: once it hits the rm command :)
[01:27] <fdoving> coreymon77: even smart people can do stupid things. taxi driver can crash too. and so on..
[01:27] <coreymon77> so i actually do help and contribute to the channel
[01:27] <sonicGB> is the rm command an actual command? I thought it was a shell command
[01:28] <kubuntero> coreymon77: help nikola_
[01:28] <coreymon77> whats the matter?
[01:28] <intelikey> kubuntero why would that matter ?   it will be in ram...    but yeah it does remove something that stops it.   i'm not sure what.
[01:28] <mfproroc> nikola_: http://drinus.net/airport/wl_apsta.o
[01:28] <coreymon77> nikola_:
[01:28] <LjL> !find bin/rm
[01:28] <coreymon77> whats the problem
[01:28] <ubotu> File bin/rm found in coreutils
[01:28] <LjL> sonicGB: actual command
[01:28] <nikola_> airport
[01:28] <fdoving> nikola_: run the script /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[01:28] <nikola_> wifi
[01:28] <mfproroc> nikola_: that is the best file to extract the firmware from currently
[01:28] <sonicGB> LjL: cool
[01:29] <nikola_> mmk
[01:29] <gekko> hello
[01:29] <nikola_> mv: cannot move `bcm43xx_initval01.fw' to `/lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval01.fw': Permission denied
[01:30] <nikola_> should i sudo it?
[01:30] <coreymon77> sorry, airport is outside of my knowledge
[01:30] <mfproroc> nikola_: download the file then run /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh /path_to_download_wl_apsta.o
[01:30] <fdoving> nikola_: yes. sudo.
[01:31] <nikola_> well
[01:31] <hatta> so my screen is blanking even though I've turned the screensaver off
[01:31] <nikola_> i did that much
[01:31] <hatta> I see an x logo so it's not a bios powersaving issue
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: Sorry, it's not possible to extract "bcm43xx_microcode13.fw".
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: Extracting firmware from an old driver is bad. Choose a more recent one.
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: Luckily bcm43xx driver doesn't include microcode11 uploads at the moment.
[01:31] <nikola_> *****: But this can be added in the future...
[01:31] <hatta> how do I disable it?
[01:31] <nikola_> that doesnt matter right?
[01:31] <nikola_> wow, thats ugly
[01:31] <nikola_> now what?
[01:32] <intelikey> hatta linux supports power management also   did you check those settings
[01:32] <hatta> intelikey, how?
[01:32] <MidMark> hatta: I've the same identical problem
[01:32] <hatta> MidMark, have you any clues?
[01:32] <intelikey> kmeny system something i would think
[01:33] <MidMark> hatta: and I think that was a dapper kde 3.5.3 or .4 that broke some configuration
[01:33] <malik_> !CVS
[01:33] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[01:33] <MidMark> hatta: or your kde is a clean 3.5.5 Edgy?
[01:33] <hatta> I dunno, how do I check?
[01:33] <MidMark> hatta: who installed the system?
[01:33] <hatta> I installed edgy, but I added some repositories
[01:34] <MidMark> edgy in a formatte disk? Or a dapper upgrade?
[01:34] <dwidmann> a clean install = you used the disk for that version to install = you used an edgy install disk
[01:34] <hatta> clean install
[01:35] <MidMark> so I don't know why...
[01:35] <MidMark> probably a xorg.conf line that born in my file
[01:35] <MidMark> as for now I haven't screensaver, only the X
[01:35] <MidMark> that I hate
[01:36] <hatta> hmm, this might be it: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html
[01:36] <j0b> hello
[01:36] <hatta> I'm gonna try xset s 0 and see how that works
[01:37] <nikola_> i did that mcuh
[01:37] <nikola_> much*
[01:37] <nikola_> now what?
[01:38] <MidMark> hatta: let me know if it works
[01:38] <MidMark> I like to have my screensaver again
[01:39] <nikola_> i ran /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh /path_to_download_wl_apsta.o
[01:40] <nikola_> now what?
[01:40] <nikola_> ....... how do i ask these questions over until someone heres me, without being annoying? :P
[01:40] <nikola_> sry
[01:40] <MidMark> nikola_: what you have to do?
[01:40] <nikola_> im in the middle or trying to get airport to work
[01:41] <nikola_> i downloaded a thingy
[01:41] <nikola_> and i extracted a thingy
[01:41] <nikola_> firmware for the wireless card i think it was
[01:41] <nikola_> the last thing i did
[01:41] <nikola_> im not sure what i should do now
[01:41] <MidMark> now is ready to be used
[01:41] <nikola_> ?
[01:41] <nikola_> really?
[01:41] <MidMark> if you have driver and firmware then yes
[01:42] <nikola_> how would i use it?
[01:42] <MidMark> install knetworkmanager
[01:42] <nikola_> the wireless assistant still doesnt pick up any courses
[01:42] <MidMark> and try to configure it or with wassistant
[01:42] <MidMark> try to reboot eventually
[01:42] <bonbonthejon> try knetworkmanager
[01:42] <MidMark> !knetworkmanager
[01:42] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[01:43] <nikola_> im dloadin it
[01:44] <nikola_> how do i get it to install things without needing the disc?
[01:44] <MidMark> remove dvd from repo
[01:44] <MidMark> and it will download everythings from internet
[01:44] <nikola_> how do i do that?
[01:44] <MidMark> manage repo
[01:44] <nikola_> *feels like a n00b*
[01:44] <nikola_> mmk
[01:45] <denisel> hi im a windows refugee i am trying to get yahoo games to work i have loaded java but i cant get it to work help please
[01:45] <dwidmann> or better yet, make an iso of the dvd with k3b, then loopback mount the iso, and alter the fstab and sources.list to suit
[01:45] <MidMark> with adept and disable it (right click)
[01:45] <nikola_> do i have a program that will make an iso of it?
[01:45] <dwidmann> k3b
[01:45] <intelikey> wow that's odd.  there is only one line (on screen) differance in   "dd if=/dev/sda count=1 | hd" and "dd if=/dev/sda count=2 | hd"   count=2 adds "00000200  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................| *"    ?
[01:45] <intelikey> !java | denisel
[01:45] <ubotu> denisel: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:45] <intelikey> maybe that will help ^
[01:46] <denisel> ok i clicked on the link
[01:46] <nikola_> i told the app to open
[01:46] <nikola_> but all it did was add an ethernet icon in the bar
[01:46] <nikola_> nothing else
[01:47] <denisel> ok a window is up
[01:47] <hanso> i've figured out that I can gain write support on my ntfs filesystem. but what is the best solution?
[01:47] <nikola_> nope
[01:48] <nikola_> knetworkmanager doesnt find any wireless sources
[01:48] <intelikey> hanso best solution is to not use ntfs and linux togather
[01:48] <nikola_> and i know there are at least 5 pickupale form my computer
[01:48] <intelikey> hanso did you mean second/third best ?
[01:48] <hatta> MidMark, no such luck :/
[01:49] <nikola_> ..............
[01:49] <intelikey> !ntfs | hanso
[01:49] <ubotu> hanso: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:49] <nikola_> can i like, search to see if linux is working with my airport card yet?
[01:49] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g | hanso
[01:49] <ubotu> hanso: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:50] <nikola_> hi..................
[01:50] <intelikey> !fuse | hanso
[01:50] <ubotu> hanso: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[01:51] <denisel> ok i have the java window up
[01:51] <denisel> ubunto it says
[01:51] <hanso> intelikey: is it true that the vfat filessystem can not hold files bigger than 4 GB?
[01:51] <nikola_> *waits till ppl are not busy and can help me*
[01:52] <MidMark> hatta: damn, now I've seen that I had composite enabled for xgl, tried to disable, next reboot I will se
[01:52] <intelikey> hanso yeah  not without some trick riding it can't
[01:53] <intelikey> hanso what do you have bigger than 4g that you will need read/write access to ?
[01:53] <tamacracker_> Hey guys
[01:53] <intelikey> wb tamacracker_
[01:54] <tamacracker_> my username on this is supposed to be tamacracker without the _ at the end
[01:54] <tamacracker_> and i forgot how to prove that im the real tamacracker >.> if that makes any sense
[01:54] <denisel> im in the wiki tab
[01:54] <intelikey> tamacracker_ /msg nickserv help
[01:54] <tamacracker_> i already registered my username
[01:54] <tamacracker_> ok
[01:55] <nikola_> can sumone help me finish getting airport to work? :(
[01:56] <tamacracker_> I keep gettin: -NickServ- The nickname [tamacracker_]  is not registered
[01:57] <tamacracker_> i dont wanna be tamacracker_
[01:57] <tamacracker_> i want my old user name>.>
[01:57] <intelikey> no you need to /msg nickserv help recover     and help something else...  use venella help   to see the commands.
[01:58] <stdin> tamacracker_: use '/nick tamacracker' ro change back to tamacracker
[01:58] <stdin> then you can identify
[01:58] <tamacracker_> ok :D
[01:58] <intelikey> stdin assuming that it's not ocupied
[01:58] <denisel> im trying to get Java to run im not that good with computers my brother told me to say im a windows refugee
[01:58] <intelikey> occupied
[01:59] <tamacracker_> [19:58]  [Nick]  Nickname already in use, try a different one.
[01:59] <intelikey> see.   now read the help messages.
[01:59] <stdin> ok, tamacracker_ use '/msg NickServ RECOVER tamacracker <password>'  first
[02:00] <james> hi
[02:00] <denisel> hi
[02:01] <james> whats up
[02:01] <bobleny> I have a security question. I had to mount my linux hard drive from the live cd to fix a couple things. While I was there, I noticed I had accsess to my user folder. Why is this? What if I don't want anyone to be able to access that folder without a password under ANY circumstances? Is this a bad idea?
[02:01] <zeekstarr> My Memory-[617/1945M [||||||||||] -[modified]
[02:01] <tamacracker_> [20:01]  [Notice]  -NickServ- The nickname [Tamacracker]  is not being enforced ?
[02:01] <zeekstarr> wrong window
[02:01] <zeekstarr> sorry
[02:01] <tamacracker_> what is that supposed to mean?
[02:02] <tamacracker_> do I need to relog on?
[02:02] <denisel> im in a page that says ubuntu im trying to get Java to work help
[02:02] <intelikey> bobleny ubuntu defaults to world readable $HOME    you can chmod it to 700 if you like
[02:02] <denisel> i tried reboting
[02:02] <nikola_> Hi
[02:03] <nikola_> i got kwifimanager
[02:03] <nikola_> and it tells me some things
[02:03] <stdin> tamacracker_:try '/nick tamacracker' now
[02:03] <nikola_> though, i dont know if its useful at al
[02:03] <nikola_> l
[02:03] <nikola_> its going to take forever to get wifi to work -_-
[02:03] <Tamacracker> jesus christ
[02:03] <bubu1uk> where?
[02:03] <bobleny> intelikey, could you please explain what you mean?
[02:03] <bubu1uk> :p
[02:04] <excitatory> so kaffeine is suddenly not launching..  not from katapult, not from the run dialog, and when i run it from the terminal it immediately returns to the prompt.. no message, no error.
[02:04] <Tamacracker> finally
[02:04] <Tamacracker> woohoo
[02:04] <bubu1uk> excitatory: check if there is no kaffeine process running.
[02:04] <Tamacracker> now how do i make sure the nickserv remembers it's me permanently?
[02:04] <bubu1uk> excitatory: had same problem. had to kill kaffeine. then worked
[02:05] <excitatory> bubu1uk: yea.. fixed it, thanks
[02:05] <intelikey> bobleny when you start playing with chmod let me caution you  dirs have to be executable to access them and readable to "see" what is in them     so an octal of 700 is user only access.      i.e. sudo chmod 700 /home/<username>
[02:05] <bubu1uk> excitatory: ur welcome
[02:05] <stdin> Tamacracker: it won't, it's a security feature, you either have to identify every time, or set your client to do it for you automatically
[02:06] <Tamacracker> how do set it to auto?
[02:06] <bobleny> intelikey, but what exactly is "chmod" stuff...
[02:06] <stdin> Tamacracker: what client are you using ?
[02:06] <dwidmann> chmod = change permissions
[02:06] <stdin> bobleny: chmod = change mode (permissions)
[02:06] <Tamacracker> Konversation >.>
[02:07] <Jucato> Tamacracker: in Konversation, press F2 -> Edit -> Identity -> Edit -> Service: NickServ, Password <password>
[02:07] <Tamacracker> nice
[02:07] <kubuntero> nikola_: How are you now?
[02:08] <kubuntero> !microsoft
[02:08] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:08] <coreymon77> lol!
[02:08] <Tamacracker> Service should be called NickServ?
[02:08] <dwidmann> cracks me up every time :D
[02:09] <stdin> Tamacracker: yes
[02:09] <Tamacracker> LOL Ubotu.
[02:09] <Tamacracker> thanks :P
[02:09] <Eruantalon> bobleny: When accessing the drives from a livecd all the chmod doesn't matter at all. If you want it to be securer you have to encrypt yuor data. Trucrypt can be used for that
[02:10] <intelikey> bobleny permissions are "read write execute" in binarry 1*4 + 1*2 + 1*1 = 7  and listed as  owner group others   so 700 would be you can read write and execute  people in your group can do nothing there and others can do nothing there.   i normally set home to  710  which allows people in my group to access the dir but not snoop around in it.  i.e. they cant see what is there.    this is useful if you have a subdir that yo
[02:10] <Tamacracker> I have one more question :P
[02:10] <intelikey> but also if you do that and don't want them anywhere else you should make all other subdirs 700
[02:10] <Eruantalon> But bear in mind that if you loose your passphrase your data will be lost!
[02:10] <denisel> ok i just when from windows 98 to linix i can get yahoo games working can somone help i dont know anything about cumputers
[02:11] <Tamacracker> What USB Wireless Thumb Drive is best supported by Ubuntu's Operating System?
[02:11] <bg__> are there drivers for usb bluetooth sticks because the Bluetooth OBEX program doesn't detect mine, but when I plug it in and out it gives a msg on desktop it has found it
[02:11] <dwidmann> denisel: doesn't yahoo games use java?
[02:11] <Eruantalon> bg__: What stick do you have?
[02:11] <intelikey> Eruantalon excuse me ?   chmod is chmod on ext#fs
[02:11] <denisel> yes i cant get the java to wrk
[02:11] <stdin> denisel: you probably need flash and/or java
[02:11] <denisel> work
[02:12] <denisel> how do i get flash
[02:12] <bg__> Eruantalon: orgear. I bought it today. I can return and get another but they all ways windows and macos only
[02:12] <Eruantalon> intelikey: Didnt he say that that the problem was that he was able to boot a livecd and access his files without any limitatiuons
[02:12] <stdin> !flash | denisel
[02:12] <ubotu> denisel: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:12] <dwidmann> Well, if it won't work for you in Konqueror, give Opera or firefox a try.
[02:12] <dwidmann> I'm almost certain that yahoo games uses java, so focus on it for now I'd say.
[02:12] <Tamacracker> What's the most compatible wireless usb stick?
[02:13] <intelikey> Eruantalon no and yes  he mentioned that his home was world readable and didn't like that.   that is ubuntu default.  home dir is world readable
[02:13] <Tamacracker> for Ubuntu?
[02:13] <Eruantalon> ok
[02:13] <Tamacracker> im about to go purchase one.. but i dont want problems installing it.
[02:13] <dwidmann> denisel: I think you can get Flash 9 beta from the ubuntu backports repository, or you can download it yourself from http://labs.adobe.com
[02:13] <coreymon77> !equivalents
[02:13] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[02:14] <dwidmann> denisel, also, which java are you using, the one that came preinstalled with kubuntu, or sun java?
[02:14] <denisel> i clicked on all the links i will tak alook
[02:14] <Eruantalon> "What if I don't want anyone to be able to access that folder without a password under ANY circumstances?" <<-- this is what i responded to
[02:14] <denisel> the one that came with it and i installed a java
[02:14] <paul_> hi.......totally new to linux..........ive just loaded this kubuntu and i trying to make a new folder in the VAR ...wont let me..........how do i change permissions???many thanks.........very newbie
[02:14] <stdin> denisel: the RestrictedFormats link will tell you to get both flash and sun java
[02:14] <intelikey> Eruantalon yes.  and i was giving a crash course in permissions.
[02:15] <dwidmann> The only way to securely handle nobody getting in without a password under any circumstances probably involves encryption.
[02:15] <intelikey> but enough of that.
[02:15] <Eruantalon> intelikey: ok'
[02:15] <stdin> paul_: you need to use sudo before and command that needs root access
[02:15] <stdin> !sdo | paul_
[02:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <stdin> !sudo | paul_
[02:15] <ubotu> paul_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:15] <dwidmann> anything can be bypassed except encryption ... that is.
[02:16] <paul_> many thanks ill have a play
[02:16] <paul_> thanks again for your help
[02:16] <stdin> :)
[02:17] <intelikey> dwidmann encryption is not perfect either.   specally if it only scrambles the "file allocation table"  :)
[02:17] <dwidmann> Yes, but it's quite a bit harder to bypass than a user password.
[02:17] <denisel> ok is it called flash player
[02:17] <dwidmann> or a bios password, you know, that sort of stuff.
[02:17] <intelikey> :)
[02:17] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:18] <kubuntero> I am Invincible!!
[02:19] <bonbonthejon> kubuntero: good movie
[02:20] <bobleny> Well, what is the defference between my user folder and the desktop folder thats in side of it? I noticed that the desktop folder was unaccessable....
[02:20] <XoteR> Hi, I am using kubuntu for the first time
[02:20] <kubuntero> paul_: Why do you want a folder in var?
[02:20] <dwidmann> the desktop folder is where files that appear on your desktop are stored.
[02:20] <bonbonthejon> hi XoteR
[02:20] <XoteR> and I wonder how I should to to install it
[02:20] <bobleny> right
[02:20] <Tamacracker> can anyone recommend me a Wireless usb stick from a retail store?
[02:20] <dwidmann> XoteR: with the cd, of course :)
[02:20] <Tamacracker> like belkin
[02:21] <XoteR> yeah
[02:21] <intelikey> bobleny    ls -ld ~ ~/Desktop
[02:21] <Tamacracker> or linksys
[02:21] <XoteR> but when I go to install at the deskop it wont take space at any partition
[02:21] <Eruantalon> wireless? Do you mean bluetooth?
[02:21] <Eruantalon> XoteR: Are you going to dual boot?
[02:22] <intelikey> or actually if you are in the livecd you'll have to substitute the actual path in place of ~
[02:22] <bobleny> But why is the desktop folder password protected and the user folder isnt? Is this what intelikey was talking about with the chdom?
[02:22] <Tamacracker> not specifically blue tooth
[02:22] <dwidmann> XoteR: the easiest way is to wipe the whole disk, else, you'll probably have to resize one of the other partitions.
[02:22] <Tamacracker> i need it for a wireless network
[02:22] <Tamacracker> so instead of gettin a wireless card
[02:22] <XoteR> Eruantalon: dual boot? :P
[02:22] <kubuntero> bobleny: Who owns the Desktop folder?
[02:22] <intelikey> bobleny exactly
[02:22] <Tamacracker> i'll just use a usb stick.
[02:22] <XoteR> use 2 OS yes if that is what you meant
[02:23] <XoteR> dwidmann: I have alot of things I need. How do I re-size?
[02:23] <Eruantalon> heh
[02:23] <bobleny> So, if I use the chmod, then even with the live cd I cant open the user folder with out a password?
[02:23] <intelikey> no not true.  cause the liveCD doesn't use a password.
[02:23] <intelikey> if it did it would be true.
[02:23] <denisel> ok i downloaded flash player will my yahoo games work now
[02:23] <bg__> Eruantalon:  it was iogear for the brand. bt yes. would you say the drivers from bluz will work, or
[02:24] <dwidmann> I'd have to try it or take a look or something, I've never actually re-sized a partition to do an install before, XoteR
[02:24] <Eruantalon> XoteR: That is a good question. When asked during the installation what to do with the harddrive you have to select manual parttioing
[02:24] <bobleny> Well, when I tried to go to the desktop folder from the live cd, I got a permission error.
[02:24] <XoteR> I cant install it on the same partition where I have my XP hardrive?
[02:25] <intelikey> bobleny what you are saying "with or without a password"  actually translates to "with or without root access"   and on the live CD all it takes to be root is type sudo -i
[02:25] <stdin> bobleny: sort of, however if you were on a live cd, and created a user with the same UID as the user who owns the directory, then you can use the live CD user to access it
[02:25] <Eruantalon> XoteR: I would guess no
[02:25] <XoteR> ok
[02:25] <Eruantalon> not easily anyways
[02:25] <dwidmann> Speaking of things, does anyone around know how to set up an LVM involving two disks without using the Ubuntu/Debian Alternate install disk. I've never done it before, and I'm thinking about doing so now.
[02:25] <Eruantalon> There are ways to do everything :-)
[02:25] <intelikey> !sudo | bobleny
[02:25] <ubotu> bobleny: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:25] <denisel> it says this game cannot be played using your curent settings
[02:26] <bobleny> Right, I know what sudo is... sudo su!
[02:26] <XoteR> when I use the manual option it says Filecheck error when I am trying to make a new partrtion
[02:26] <jarn> Is there a way to use the cp command to JUST copy the contents of a directory, not the directory itself? Like, say I want to move all the contents of a directory out of it and into it's parent directory.
[02:26] <Eruantalon> hmm XoteR, problem is that i don't know your setup.
[02:26] <dwidmann> cp directory/* newlocation
[02:27] <stdin> jarn: ^^
[02:27] <XoteR> ok
[02:27] <bobleny> So, your saying that if I was sudo on the live cd, I could have gone into my desktop folder?
[02:27] <jarn> dwidmann and stdin: Thanks much! I should have thought of that. *smacks forehead*
[02:27] <stdin> bobleny: yep
[02:28] <intelikey> bobleny root disreguards all permissions execpt one case. binarry files have to have some +exec bit set.  it doesn't matter who's but some ones   befor root can execute a file  but aside from that root could not care less what the permissions are.
[02:28] <intelikey> and yes that's what i'm saying.
[02:28] <bobleny> ok
[02:28] <dwidmann> Which reminds me of the one thing that I hate, when cp or mv fail because I tried to copy/move too many files at once :\
[02:29] <farkr> what the heck, i used fuse to copy files over to my ntfs partition and it said 'permission denied' for every file so i rebootin windows thinking it didnt work and yet the files are there and work lol
[02:29] <farkr> least it worked
[02:29] <Eruantalon> XoteR: You could have a look at help.ubuntu.com/community . Theres should be lots of documentation about installing
[02:30] <XoteR> thanks
[02:30] <bobleny> If I used truecrypt, would Mr. Sudo be able to access the file?
[02:30] <intelikey> i have a box with / set to 000   users can't cd /* but root cares not at all.   (side note on that box /*/ is set 001 also.   but it takes some getting used to)
[02:30] <farkr> ah i see, some files didnt make it. does that mean i have to change the file perms on files before i use fuse to copy them to ntfs?
[02:30] <intelikey> bobleny not easily.
[02:30] <farkr> i used sudo so i dont see why i wouldnt have perms
[02:31] <bobleny> Not easily, huh....
[02:31] <intelikey> but remember you can by accident lock your data so that you can never access it without hacking the password.
[02:31] <intelikey> bobleny any password can be cracked.  it might take a few years....
[02:31] <bg__> is there a software updater lik ein the gnome ubuntu version?
[02:31] <bobleny> Right....
[02:32] <kubuntero> bg__: adept_updater
[02:32] <stdin> farkr: default ntfs driver on linux mounts ntfs as read only, there is a read-write driver too, but it can be dangerous , or so I've hared
[02:32] <intelikey> bg__ yeah  i think there is.
[02:32] <Eruantalon> bobleny: securitynow.com
[02:32] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | farkr
[02:32] <ubotu> farkr: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:32] <farkr> stdin i know thats what i used, fuse
[02:32] <farkr> i unmounted the readonly default and remounted with fuse so i could write
[02:32] <intelikey> bg__ ask in #ubuntu
[02:33] <Eruantalon> sorry http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
[02:33] <farkr> i tried to cp -R a dir to ntfs and it copied half the files but the other half it said 'permission denied'
[02:33] <stdin> farkr: ahh, didn't know you were using the fuse version :)
[02:33] <farkr> and im not sure why
[02:33] <farkr> because i used sudo cp -R
[02:34] <bobleny> Grrr....
[02:34] <bobleny> None of my package maneger stuff works.
[02:34] <bobleny> I tried to open adept thingy and I get an error
[02:34] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Specificaly http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#41 it is all about trucrypt
[02:35] <Eruantalon> what error?
[02:35] <XoteR> What happenes if I download things now?
[02:35] <stdin> bobleny: what's the error?
[02:35] <bobleny> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[02:35] <Eruantalon> XoteR: in the livecd?
[02:35] <XoteR> without have kubunyu installed
[02:35] <XoteR> yeah
[02:35] <Eruantalon> It will be gone when you reboot
[02:35] <Eruantalon> unless you save it somewhere permanent
[02:36] <intelikey> XoteR unless you save it to the hd
[02:36] <intelikey> yeah that ^
[02:36] <XoteR> ok
[02:36] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Well something probably is
[02:36] <bobleny> It has been doing that for a while too even after a reboot
[02:36] <Eruantalon> hmm try to find what is hoarding it and kill it
[02:37] <Eruantalon> ps aux | grep adept
[02:37] <stdin> bobleny: in konsole try: sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:37] <Jucato> !adeptcrashfix | bobleny
[02:37] <ubotu> bobleny: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:37] <stdin> bobleny: then try opening adept (or whatever you use) again
[02:37] <denisel> ok im on the jave site it says i  have the fallowing java free software and 1.4.2
[02:37] <XoteR> can I acces my windows harddrive trought kubuntu?
[02:37] <XoteR> Sry for being annoying
[02:38] <stdin> XoteR: yes, you can
[02:38] <stdin> !ntfs
[02:38] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:39] <farkr> if all you're doing is viewing then the default ntfs mount should be fine
[02:39] <XoteR> This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists.
[02:39] <desync> XoteR: i've been using fuse for write access and it's been working fine for me
[02:39] <sc> exit
[02:39] <sonichedg> !fuse
[02:39] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:40] <farkr> desync do you have any idea what to do about my fuse problem?
[02:40] <Eruantalon> what is best fuse og ntfs-3g?
[02:40] <stdin> XoteR: this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[02:40] <sonichedg> farkr: i've just joined. Do you mind repeating the problem?
[02:40] <denisel> im am getting so cunfused
[02:40] <desync> let me scroll back a bit
[02:40] <farkr> ntfs-3g is still in beta
[02:40] <farkr> sonichedg sure:
[02:40] <farkr> im using 'fuse' to write to my ntfs parition from my ext3 partition and i tried 'sudo cp -R source-dir/ /media/hda1/dest-dir/' and it copied half the files fine but the other half that didnt copy said 'permission denied.' Any idea why?
[02:41] <sonichedg> ohhh.... I hate that!
[02:41] <sonichedg> what user was doing the copying?
[02:41] <farkr> just me as a normal user doing a sudo
[02:41] <farkr> on my own home files
[02:41] <Eruantalon> denisel: What is the problem?
[02:41] <sonichedg> ok, if you were doing it via sudo, then it was effectively root doing the work...
[02:42] <farkr> yeah that's what i dont get
[02:42] <desync> farkr: what is your entry in /etc/fstab for the partition?
[02:42] <sonichedg> farkr: did you mount the ntfs partition with any specific ownership / umask ?
[02:42] <denisel> i can play euchre on yahoo i have downloaded java
[02:42] <bobleny> k, that worked
[02:42] <farkr> dunno im in windows still
[02:42] <denisel> im a windows refugee
[02:42] <farkr> i didnt change my fstab for fuse though. its still the default
[02:42] <farkr> you think thats the reason?
[02:42] <farkr> sonichedg yes
[02:42] <sonichedg> welcome denisel, we like windows refugees :-)
[02:42] <farkr> i used umask=0007
[02:42] <denisel> cant
[02:43] <desync> "/dev/hdb5       /media/win-e    ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,umask=000 0 0"
[02:43] <farkr> dunno what that means though :/
[02:43] <farkr> thats what the howto said to use though
[02:43] <Eruantalon> denisel: don't you mean that you can't play the game?
[02:43] <stdin> farkr: there is a driver for windows to let it read/write to ext2 (and ext3 as ext2)
[02:43] <desync> that let's me read/write as a normal user, no sudo needed
[02:43] <denisel> i cant get java to work
[02:43] <farkr> stdin i know but i cant use it, i corrupted it by writing to my ext3 partition from it :)
[02:43] <kubuntero> !java | denisel
[02:43] <ubotu> denisel: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:43] <denisel> yes i cant play my wuchre game
[02:43] <kubuntero> denisel: Did you do a update alternatives?
[02:43] <stdin> farkr: just spurting out ideas here :p
[02:44] <denisel> i dont know what that means
[02:44] <intelikey> update-alternatives
[02:44] <farkr> should i change the umask i mounted with to something other than 0007?
[02:44] <sonichedg> farkr: the umask=0007 might be the source of your grief... just reading, gimme a second
[02:44] <stdin> denisel: have you ran the update-alternatives command too?
[02:44] <desync> farkr: also make sure the you have the fuse module loading, or you'll have to run sudo modprobe fuse
[02:44] <farkr> k thanks
[02:44] <bobleny> Ok, next question! lol :D.... Every time I turn kubuntu on, I get a box on boot up that says it cant play video, change display setttings to 1024 x 786 at 60hz. I just wondering what it is?
[02:44] <farkr> desync i do i ran sudo modprobe fuse and everything first
[02:45] <intelikey> farkr what's the uid= ?
[02:45] <kubuntero> bobleny: Might be yout monitor
[02:45] <denisel> brb
[02:45] <farkr> intelikey dunno
[02:45] <desync> farkr: change your fstab so the umask is all 0's
[02:45] <constantine-xvi> can amarok handle MTP/PlaysForSure players?
[02:45] <stdin> farkr: you can make sure fuse loads at boot by adding a line saying "fuse" to /etc/modules
[02:45] <Eruantalon> denisel: After installing java have you restartet your browser?
[02:45] <sonichedg> farkr: what desync said. change umask to zeroes, unmount, remount.
[02:45] <farkr> ok thanks, ill go try it now :)
[02:45] <farkr> ill be back from linux
[02:45] <BluesKaj> java 1.6 rocks! just installed it  from a repos site :http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/07/installing-jdk-6-rc-mustang-in-ubuntu-edgy/
[02:46] <Rob-West> nixternal:
[02:46] <Eruantalon> constantine-xvi: Yes. But I don't know how well
[02:46] <nixternal> yo yo Rob-West
[02:46] <denisel> yes i did restart
[02:46] <bobleny> kubuntero, I know it is my monitor, I just wonder what the video is....
[02:46] <Rob-West> sup man
[02:46] <constantine-xvi> Eruantalon: do you know how to do it?
[02:46] <nixternal> same ol' same ol'
[02:46] <kubuntero> XoteR: No problem that's what we are here for ":-)
[02:46] <kubuntero> nixternal: What's up yo?
[02:47] <nixternal> hey homey :)
[02:47] <Eruantalon> constantine-xvi: errhh. Sortof.
[02:47] <stdin> denisel: did you run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to choose the right file, after you installed java?
[02:47] <kubuntero> nixternal: Umm me?
[02:47] <intelikey>  i like these options in fstab for M$ fs's     "fmask=111,dmask=000,umask=000,user,users "
[02:47] <nixternal> ya kubuntero
[02:47] <intelikey> it's almost as insecure as windows tho
[02:48] <sonichedg> intelikey: : looks reasonable, yeah, about as secure as windows! :-)
[02:48] <stdin> denisel: you'll want it set to '/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java' (or similar)
[02:48] <KaiHanari> dhofoiahiowernastyassfreaksodijfoiwheporowhseohfsdoihcxoiheiowh
[02:48] <kubuntero> nixternal: Howd ya know?
[02:49] <nixternal> kubuntero: i don't know anything :)
[02:49] <kubuntero> nixternal: Oh wait I read homey as horney ^_^
[02:49] <kubuntero> never mind
[02:49] <sonichedg> LOL
[02:49] <stdin> BluesKaj: I have sun-java6-* in the ubuntu repos (feisty) :)
[02:49] <denisel> brb sorry putting my daughter to bed
[02:49] <desync> *sigh* ivtv is a pain
[02:49] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[02:50] <sonichedg> you get tv intravenously now? cool!
[02:50] <desync> lol
[02:50] <intelikey> stdin i have 0 java installed  :)
[02:50] <BluesKaj> mustang ! seems to work well on the bleeding edge sites
[02:50] <bobleny> What Is denisel's problem?
[02:50] <kubuntero> sonichedg: samsung has  a cell phone with a TV tuner that's the closest I've seen
[02:50] <kubuntero> BluesKaj: How are you old man?
[02:50] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Java
[02:51] <bobleny> Right, what is wrong with it?
[02:51] <stdin> intelikey: I'd rather not have to have it, but I need it for a couple of things
[02:51] <kubuntero> bobleny: jAVA AND A NON SLEEPING DAUGHTER RIGHT now
[02:51] <sonichedg> kubuntero: I've heard of those, wasn't sure whether to believe they existed!
[02:51] <kubuntero> Blast.
[02:51] <bobleny> lol
[02:51] <kubuntero> I hate this new keyboard
[02:51] <desync> i've seen the tv phones, decent for what they are, but the screens are too small
[02:51] <bobleny> I just want to know bc I think I'm having a problem with java too...
[02:51] <sonichedg> I use apple mac keyboards on everything... they're fine. Need a good wash twice a year though
[02:52] <farkr> back, gotta love how fast kubuntu boots
[02:52] <bobleny> I just wonder if his problem is same as mine.
[02:52] <Eruantalon> By the way isn't java gpl now? Shouldn't it be in the main repos by the next release of ubuntu?
[02:52] <sonichedg> wb farkr
[02:52] <intelikey> !info bc | bobleny
[02:52] <ubotu> bc: The GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 64 kB, installed size 188 kB
[02:52] <BluesKaj> hey Jucato kubuntero, doing well thx :)
[02:52] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Not if Ubuntu follows Debian
[02:52] <BluesKaj> or is it Daskreech ...  gotta be Daskreech
[02:52] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: What are those crackpots up to now?
[02:52] <farkr> thanks, checkin fstab. hmm which colum is for umask? it doesnt say the word umask, but i see some numbers
[02:52] <Eruantalon> :-)
 I just want to know bc ... ^   :)
[02:54] <bobleny> Well, I don't know his prblem, but everytime I run the updates for sun-java5-bin it hangs....
[02:54] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Massive war over java. Threaten to split Debian into two distros Again...
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> doesen't debian have enough splits already?
[02:55] <farkr> ok my fstab for hda1 says: UUID=99393bla  /media/hda1  ntfs  defaults nls   007  46 0 1
[02:55] <farkr> what should it say so i can write to ntfs from sudo using fuse?
[02:55] <Eruantalon> Well java will be completely gpl by march according to wikipedia
[02:56] <bobleny> what is gpl?
[02:56] <Eruantalon> General Public License
[02:56] <farkr> general public license
[02:56] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: They don't care
[02:56] <kubuntero> !gpl
[02:56] <ubotu> gpl is the GNU General Public License. See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[02:56] <intelikey> farkr where it says "defaults "     "defaults,fmask=111,dmask=000,umask=000,user,users "
[02:56] <kubuntero> They don't want hide nor hair of Sun shipping
[02:56] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: What seems to be the problem?
[02:56] <farkr> intelikey: in quotes like that or just together?
[02:56] <intelikey> no not quotes.
[02:57] <kubuntero> I haven't sorted through the lists yet but they seem to just not want java in there
[02:57] <Eruantalon> Because they think it is crap software? Or because of licensing?
[02:57] <intelikey> drop the "nls   007  46"     if it gives any trubble.
[02:57] <constantine-xvi> odds are they would see it as weakness to submit to Sun over the FSF/Apache Java
[02:57] <farkr> k, dang gpm doesnt wann copy text for some reason, writing it down
[02:57] <kubuntero> I don't think they trust the license
[02:58] <kubuntero> Or Sun
[02:58] <farkr> half the time gpm decides it doesnt wanna copy text
[02:58] <Eruantalon> how can they not trust the gpl?
[02:58] <intelikey> farkr you can hold the left shift key and try it.
[02:58] <farkr> or at least paste it, i have no idea if it copied or not
[02:58] <constantine-xvi> i dont think debian trusts anyone but the FSF
[02:58] <kubuntero> Its like if Microsoft suddenly GPLed IIS and started looking to ship it in Distros
[02:58] <farkr> i tried shift
[02:58] <sonichedg> OSS is its own worst enemy sometimes... how will any outsider trust us when we can't control our own infighting?! :-)
[02:58] <kubuntero> People would kill it even though by law it's above board
[02:58] <intelikey> hmmmm  i've never had gpm errors....
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> my solution to the problem: i dont care if i use OSS or commercial software, as long as it doesn't suck
[02:59] <kubuntero> sonichedg: I don't think infighting is a bad thing
[02:59] <bobleny> Yeah, see, it just sits there and says "Preparing upgrade of sun-java5-bin..." it only at 1% I know it can be that big! It's been sitting there for at least 10 minutes...
[02:59] <kubuntero> Senseless infighting is dumb though
[02:59] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: Well for one thing Jonathan Schwarz is calling the shots in sun for the time being. That is a step in the right direction. And what has once been gpl'ed can't be taken back.... right?
[02:59] <sonichedg> kubuntero: it's not bad, until it's externally visible
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> kubuntu has a large portion of oss "non-suck"
[02:59] <kubuntero> sonichedg: Guess which one the news likes to pick up on :)
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> Eruantalon: right
[02:59] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Yeah ... i know
[03:00] <intelikey> ok i'm went.
[03:00] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Too badd it hasn't been GPLed
[03:00] <intelikey> i'm left.
[03:00] <farkr> intelikey:  oh actually my fstab was sayin other stuff but i tcouldnt see it because of my vimrc file being wrong i guess, but when i cat'd it i noticed it sayin more stuff like nls=utf, etc
[03:01] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: what? Most of it is gpl. Only classlibrary remains. And the remaining parts will be openspurce by march
[03:01] <farkr> whats another default command line editor that comes with kubuntu? (i dont have X installed right now)
[03:01] <stdin> bobleny: are you installing in adept?
[03:01] <Eruantalon> vi?
[03:01] <bobleny> Yes
[03:01] <farkr> vi is linked to vim for me
[03:01] <bobleny> Adept Updater
[03:01] <constantine-xvi> farkr: vim, nano, ed
[03:02] <stdin> bobleny: is there a "show more" button, or something to that effect?
[03:02] <farkr> thanks nano works, looks like pico
[03:02] <constantine-xvi> farkr: nano is most friendly
[03:02] <constantine-xvi> but im a vim'er
[03:02] <NotWired> ever since i've updated to edgy, my kdm and screensaver seems flaky... is this a known issue?
[03:02] <bobleny> yeah
[03:02] <hatta> vim is more friendly, it's just pickier about its friends
[03:02] <bobleny> It just shows a pictuer
[03:02] <farkr> NotWired:  same for me
[03:02] <farkr> edgy is shaky though, hence its name ;0
[03:02] <kubuntero> !emacs
[03:02] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[03:02] <stdin> bobleny: what picture ?
[03:02] <farkr> emacs is overkill for just editing some config files hehe
[03:03] <constantine-xvi> vim takes ~1yr to really learn, but you will not want to go back
[03:03] <NotWired> farkr: so you haven't got a fix? I would prefer not starting from scratch :-)
[03:03] <kubuntero> emacs is an operating system masquradeing as a text editor
[03:03] <denisel> im here im making myself somthing to eat i read the thing and im downloading a deb
[03:03] <farkr> NotWired: not i, im reinstallin somethin else, i cant seem to get kde to work in edgy, without reinstallin it anyway and i dont wanna do that so im going back to dapper until kde4 comes out this year
[03:03] <constantine-xvi> emacs is a great platform for developing apps, but putting a text editor in there would be nice
[03:04] <kubuntero> denisel: Daughter is genrating zzs?
[03:04] <farkr> kde4 will be sweet
[03:04] <denisel> lol
[03:04] <kubuntero> farkr:
[03:04] <constantine-xvi> i second farkr
[03:04] <kubuntero> Stop it!
[03:04] <Eruantalon> farkr: Can you just downgrade like that?
[03:04] <farkr> /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:04] <kubuntero> I spent all day resisting KDE4
[03:04] <NotWired> farkr: well, i've got everything else working (upgrading  was a huge pain though) so i would prefer finding a fix
[03:05] <bobleny> This is what it shows... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/897/plain/
[03:05] <farkr> dont do what i do though, im clueless and only do stuff out of desparation :)
[03:05] <farkr> kubuntero: whats wrong with kde4
[03:05] <stdin> bobleny: try pressing the enter key
[03:06] <bobleny> That didnt do anything
[03:06] <constantine-xvi> farkr: it's not stable yet
[03:06] <bobleny> Its really like an image
[03:06] <kubuntero> farkr: Read the first three letters in your nick
[03:06] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Try tab
[03:07] <stdin> bobleny: try clicking it, then press tab, then enter
[03:07] <Eruantalon> and space
[03:07] <Eruantalon> and stuff
[03:07] <bobleny> Yeah, nothing happens
[03:07] <stdin> bobleny: ok, press Ctrl-C
[03:07] <bobleny> It's like an image
[03:08] <stdin> bobleny: then you can fix it in konsole
[03:08] <stdin> it's not an image, it's the sun licence, you have to agree to it
[03:08] <stdin> but adept isn't good with things like that
[03:08] <farkr> intelikey: does this look right: defaults,fmask=111,dmask=000,nls=utf8,umask=000,gid=0,user,users 0       1
[03:09] <farkr> btw, gpm is working fine now, it was only with vim that it didnt want to work and i guess it was my broken vimrc to blame
[03:09] <stdin> farkr: take out the "uid=0" part
[03:09] <farkr> k
[03:09] <farkr> but not the gid=0?
[03:09] <bobleny> Ok, how do I do the update in the terminal?
[03:09] <farkr> oh wait i only have gid=0 not uid=0 :P
[03:09] <stdin> farkr: ohh, ignore me, gid isn't that important
[03:09] <BombTron> sudo apt-get update
[03:09] <Eruantalon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[03:10] <BombTron> !update
[03:10] <farkr> once i finnish editing fstab do i have to do anything for the changes to take effect?
[03:10] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:10] <stdin> bobleny: type "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:10] <bobleny> should I cancel adept manager?
[03:10] <kubuntero> bobleny: listen to stdin
[03:10] <stdin> bobleny: yes
[03:10] <kubuntero> bobleny: See? listen to him :)
[03:11] <stdin>  ^^ guess he got embarrassed  :p
[03:11] <bobleny> I was listening to him....
[03:11] <denisel> ok im back i need help
[03:12] <kubuntero> denisel: We need people to help. IT's a great partnership!!
[03:12] <farkr> ok after making those fstab changes now fuse wont let me copy anytning at all to my ntfs partition... says 'cannot copy regular file bla.txt to /media/hda1/ Read-only file system
[03:13] <denisel> ok my brother told me to tell you im a windows refugee
[03:13] <stdin> farkr: hnn, try addind ",rw" to the end of the options
[03:13] <Eruantalon> denisel: Well most of us are, aren't we?
[03:13] <kubuntero> denisel: do you need to apply to get him out of his situation?
[03:14] <farkr> stdin didnt work, unless theres somethin i hve to do to make my changes to /etc/fstab take effect?
[03:14] <denisel> i cant play eurchre on yahoo games i have java but it will not run
[03:14] <stdin> bobleny: so you close adept, then, in konsole type "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then you should be able to use tab and enter to access the licence
[03:14] <sonichedg> farkr: : you need to umount the filesystem, then re mount it
[03:14] <farkr> ah
[03:14] <stdin> yep
[03:14] <Eruantalon> denisel: How did you install java?
[03:14] <denisel> yes
[03:15] <farkr> do i still use umask=007 when i remount it with ntfsmount?
[03:15] <denisel> and i restarted the computer and comfermed it
[03:15] <farkr> or leave out the umask part and just do: sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o"
[03:15] <Eruantalon> no i mean HOW
[03:16] <denisel> i went to the java site and downloaded the one for linix
[03:16] <Eruantalon> ok
[03:16] <CVirus> I hope this was a typo
[03:17] <stdin> denisel: is it the 1st time you installed java on that system?
[03:17] <farkr> ok i did those changes and tried to copy files to my ntfs partition and now its giving me a new error: option not supported :)
[03:17] <denisel> yes
[03:17] <Admiral_Chicago> farkr: have you seen the !fuse page?
[03:17] <Eruantalon> http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[03:17] <desync> farkr: do you have ntfs-3g instead of ntfs in fstab?
[03:17] <Eruantalon> try to see if it say tht you have java installed
[03:18] <farkr> i'm using 'fuse'
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[03:18] <denisel> i clicked on the link
[03:18] <farkr> i have to put fuse instead of ntfs?
[03:18] <stdin> denisel: ok, there is one more command you need to run to activate it "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and choose the one in /usr/lib/jvm/
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> farkr: i believe so, it's ntfs-mount
[03:18] <bobleny> I don't understand. did the sudo dpkg thing. but then what? Do I go back into adept updater?
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a guide, that should help
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> !fuse
[03:18] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:18] <desync> farkr: /dev/hdb5       /media/win-e    ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,umask=000 0 0
[03:18] <farkr> im using the fuse guide
[03:18] <desync> that's what i have and i can write with a normal user
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[03:18] <denisel> its taking its sweet time
[03:18] <farkr> desync:  i dont have ntfs-3g i have fuse
[03:19] <desync> so do i
[03:19] <stdin> farkr: same thing in this case
[03:19] <farkr> ok
[03:19] <desync> fuse is based on ntfs-3g afaik
[03:19] <constantine-xvi> would it be considered a bad thing to hear your laptop's HD making spin-up sounds every now and then?
[03:19] <andre> tem alguem do Brasil aqui?
[03:19] <kai_> wasup
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> !pr
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <andre> is there something from Brazil here?
[03:20] <farkr> the docs you just gave me says to use ntfs-fuse
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> no..
[03:20] <kai_> I bought a ipod nano, will linux run this?
[03:20] <farkr> kai_ definitely
[03:20] <denisel> it says free and  1.4.2 on it
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> andre: maybe in the portugues room
[03:20] <kai_> Im in amarok, it doesn't recognize this
[03:20] <stdin> desync: nope, ntfs-3g uses fuse, fuse is used for other things too, like mounting a iso as a user, of gmailfs, and even sshfs (mounting a filesystem over ssh)
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> andre: #ubuntu-br
[03:21] <farkr> kai_ try lsusb and see if its recongized
[03:21] <farkr> !gmailfs
[03:21] <ubotu> gmailfs: Use your GMail account as a filesystem. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-2 (edgy), package size 24 kB, installed size 156 kB
[03:21] <farkr> haha wsome
[03:21] <kai_> stdin:  int cmd line?
[03:21] <denisel> free software founatiion and 1.4.2
[03:21] <stdin> denisel: you should see another entry ?
[03:21] <andre> i'm trying
[03:22] <farkr> kai_ yes in the command line type: lsusb
[03:22] <kai_> Thats a cool command yes it does recognize it
[03:22] <bobleny> What about the send signal thing when I right click on the license agreement thing...
[03:22] <farkr> amarok should recognize it
[03:22] <denisel> thoses are the only too
[03:22] <kai_> Its not
[03:22] <farkr> are you sure? did you click the tabs in the side panel and stuff?
[03:22] <denisel> two i mean
[03:23] <kai_> Its telling me no mounted ipod found
[03:23] <stdin> denisel: where did you get java from?
[03:23] <farkr> i dunno, are you sure you have the mp3 codecs installed and stuff, dunno if thats required first
[03:23] <stdin> kai_: have you read the help page on mounting an ipod?
[03:23] <denisel> i down loaded it from the java site
[03:24] <kai_> where can I find that?
[03:24] <stdin> denisel: use the package from the ubuntu multiverse repository
[03:24] <farkr> type: df -h
[03:24] <stdin> !ipod | kai_
[03:24] <ubotu> kai_: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[03:24] <kai_> stdin: thanku
[03:24] <stdin> :)
[03:24] <flaccid> has anybody compiled amarok on dapper or any ubuntu???
[03:25] <farkr> compiled ? no but ive done it from synaptic
[03:25] <denisel> do i go to adept
[03:25] <stdin> denisel: yes, from there you enable the multiverse repository
[03:25] <andre> I can compiled amarok on dapper but I don't speak english ehhehe
[03:25] <denisel> ok one min
[03:25] <stdin> !multiverse | denisel
[03:25] <ubotu> denisel: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:26] <stdin> read that page
[03:26] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:26] <bobleny> My turn?
[03:27] <jeff_> hi, all.  I've got a really strange problem with my NVidia card and the nvidia-glx package.  When I first installed kubuntu, I loaded the nvidia-glx package, and noticed that every once in a while, X would hang.  I switched to the nv driver, and got rid of the intermittent hanging.
[03:27] <stdin> bobleny: what's the problem ?
[03:27] <bobleny> Same as before.
[03:27] <stdin> bobleny: remind me :)
[03:27] <bobleny> I dont know where to do the tab enter with the lisence thing
[03:27] <denisel> ok what do i type in the search window for adept
[03:28] <stdin> bobleny: in adept, or konsole ?
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: what's the issue with compiling amarok?
[03:28] <jeff_> That was fine, when I didn't want any 3D acceleration.  But now, I've tried switching back to the nvidia driver, and whenever X starts, it just hangs at a blank screen (I don't even get the NVidia splash, and it's not turned off in my config.
[03:28] <bobleny> I was in Adept Updater
[03:28] <stdin> denisel: have you now enabled multiverse ?
[03:28] <stdin> bobleny: you can't in adept, for some reason
[03:28] <denisel> no
[03:28] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: gcc bugs
[03:28] <jeff_> I've tried the Kubuntu one, and actually compiled from NVidia's site.  Any ideas why the card would hang?
[03:28] <bobleny> Ok, so I should do what exactly?
[03:29] <stdin> denisel: you need to do that first https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:29] <denisel> im in the resp thing
[03:29] <jeff_> I'm not seeing any errors in the Xor log, and not sure where else to look.
[03:29] <bobleny> I did the sudo dkpg thing you said to do
[03:29] <denisel> im on that page
[03:29] <jamaur> hey all, does anybody know how to find out the parent of a specific process?  My computer is running Apache, but I have no idea why (I have never set up any kind of server on this box...)
[03:29] <stdin> bobleny: you need to press Ctrl-C to make adept stop, then close adept, then, in konsole, type "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:30] <bobleny> Right, and after I do that?
[03:30] <stdin> bobleny: you can then just use tab and enter to accept the licence
[03:30] <stdin> denisel: do you see the part about universe and multiverse on the page ?
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i never had any issue
[03:31] <stdin> jamaur: look in adept and make sure you havent installed apache or apache2
[03:31] <farkr> after adding 'ntfs-3g' to fstab and trying to  remount it says 'unrecongized filesystem ntfs-3g'
[03:31] <farkr> does the same thing when i use ntfs-fuse
[03:31] <bobleny> nothing hapens when I type that comand though
[03:31] <farkr> and then sudo mount -a
[03:32] <stdin> farkr: try following the guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:32] <bobleny> the terminal pauses for a second the goes to new line waiting another command
[03:32] <kai_> stdin: I added the one package for the ipod, do I need to logout?
[03:32] <stdin> kai_: no, you should have to
[03:32] <farkr> stdin thats what im using :P
[03:33] <kai_> the wiki just said to get  gtkpod-aac its still not recognizing
[03:33] <farkr> its not helping at all, it's giving me advice that's making it so i cant copy my fuiles to ntfs, i just keep gettin errors like 'permission denied' or 'operation not supported'
[03:33] <farkr> fuse blows :(
[03:33] <stdin> bobleny: ok, try "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin"
[03:33] <bobleny> What that do?
[03:34] <stdin> kai_: that's the info for breezy, follow the info for dapper or edgy
[03:34] <stdin> bobleny: that will install java for firefox
[03:34] <stdin> bobleny: and konqueror
[03:34] <kai_> I have edgy 6.1 right
[03:35] <bobleny> really?
[03:35] <jeff_> Is anyone using a NVidia card, who wouldn't mind sending me their Xorg.conf?
[03:35] <farkr> whas the keyshortcut in elinks to scroll the page over to the left or right? i got some cut off text
[03:35] <bobleny> man... I did it manually before :(
[03:35] <stdin> kai_: don't know, what dose "lsb_release -r" show
[03:35] <kai_> I think I know whats goin on
[03:36] <kai_> I thought gtkpod was a plgin for amarok
[03:36] <dwidmann> jeff_ I suppose I could
[03:36] <denisel> ok im fallowing the page but i im having trubble on the fifth one
[03:36] <kai_> Its its own app
[03:36] <andre> just me use ubuntu in Brazil
[03:36] <stdin> bobleny: you'll need the multiverse repository first
[03:36] <dwidmann> !paste | dwidmann
[03:36] <ubotu> dwidmann: paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[03:36] <bobleny> Already have
[03:36] <jeff_> dwidmann: could you just /msg me or paste it.
[03:37] <stdin> bobleny: then the command will work fine
[03:37] <bobleny> it did
[03:37] <dwidmann> jeff_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/899/
[03:37] <stdin> denisel: which part ore you having trouble with?
[03:38] <andre> somebody now how to configure nvidia geforce 5200 128 Mb in kubuntu 6.10?
[03:38] <jeff_> dwidmann: thanks.  I'm getting really odd behavior from my card.
[03:38] <farkr> how come this command did nothing at all: sudo apt-get install lynx
[03:38] <farkr> zero output
[03:38] <denisel> well in repositories
[03:38] <dwidmann> that xorg.conf *should* work, assuming you have the nvidia driver installed ... I don't think I've done anything tricky since I installed the 96xx drivers.
[03:38] <stdin> farkr: nothing at all ??
[03:39] <bobleny> Thank you!
[03:39] <stdin> :)
[03:39] <farkr> nope
[03:39] <andre> I installed all packages but it isn't working
[03:39] <denisel> im in mangage reositories
[03:40] <jeff_> dwidmann: hmm, I have a section in mine that you don't have.  a DRI section.  I'm googling, but does that ring a bell with you?
[03:40] <stdin> farkr: dose 'sudo apt-get update' not show any output either?
[03:40] <farkr> dont matter im using elinks, just had to man elinkskeys to figure out the keys
[03:40] <denisel> i dont knoow what to enable
[03:40] <mirshafie> i'm looking for a way to use two aspell dictionaries simultaneously in kde applications. i want to enable both the english and swedish dictionaries at the same time, since i use both languages frequently and often mix them in posts and emails. is there any way to do that?
[03:40] <Eruantalon> andre Have you done sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:40] <farkr> stdin no that works
[03:41] <dwidmann> jeff_ the dri section is needed if you're using the vesa or nv drivers, but not with the nvidia drivers ... I'll show you my backup xorg.conf to show you what I mean
[03:41] <stdin> denisel: do you see an entry with universe in the right ?
[03:41] <farkr> and now after doing that sudo apt-get install lynx works ;/
[03:41] <farkr> weird
[03:41] <denisel> yes four of them
[03:41] <stdin> farkr: can you install anything else with apt-get and it work?
[03:41] <farkr> yeah it works now
[03:41] <stdin> denisel: should be one with "main" by it
[03:41] <farkr> dunno why i had to do that update for though. i didntg change anythin in the repositories
[03:42] <andre> I don't know
[03:42] <stdin> farkr: I don't know either, but at least it works :)
[03:42] <Eruantalon> Try
[03:42] <bobleny> How come when I search for "Apache" in Adept Installer, it finds nothing????
[03:42] <denisel> theres two of them with main restricked
[03:42] <K`zan> What do I need to install to get a working g++ compiler?
[03:43] <K`zan> Sigh, that question is gonna suck...
[03:43] <andre> where i configure that?
[03:43] <farkr> does it matter if i take the UUID= line out of /etc/fstab?
[03:43] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: build-essential
[03:43] <andre> sorry but I don't speak english very well
[03:43] <denisel> universe multiuniverse
[03:43] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Thanks, will clean up and do that, appreciate that.
[03:43] <farkr> multiverse
[03:44] <stdin> denisel: is the line with universe and multiverse grey?
[03:44] <Eruantalon> andre, No problem. Run the command sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:44] <dwidmann> jeff_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/900/
[03:44] <denisel> no its black
[03:44] <constantine-xvi> stdin: multiverse is stuff that is not pure OSS
[03:44] <andre> eruantalon wait a minute I'll try
[03:44] <stdin> denisel: ok, click apply, then close
[03:45] <stdin> constantine-xvi: yes, I know
[03:45] <denisel> ok done
[03:45] <jeff_> dwidmann: thanks.  I removed the DRI section, and some other stuff that I think was in ther by default (having to do with Wacom tablets).  Also, looking at yours reminded me to start looking at the composite extension.  If I can get acceleration stable.
[03:45] <stdin> denisel: the fjust click "Fetch Updates" in the top left
[03:45] <jeff_> dwidmann: thanks again.
[03:45] <stdin> denisel: then you exit adept, and go back to konsole
[03:45] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Choose adept package manager from the system menu
[03:46] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. ?? TIA!!!
[03:46] <dwidmann> no problem jeff_. one thing worth trying is ...
[03:46] <denisel> a bunch of dones is going down the screen
[03:46] <dwidmann> !envy | jeff_
[03:46] <ubotu> jeff_: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[03:46] <bobleny> huh?
[03:46] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: what are you building?
[03:46] <andre> eruantalon I'm trying run the game americans army here ...
[03:46] <bobleny> oh
[03:46] <jeff_> dwidmann: that helps with the ones from nvidia's site, or nvidia-glx?
[03:46] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: kate tab add on.
[03:46] <andre> eruantalon i run the command and after that?
[03:47] <Eruantalon> you have to restart x
[03:47] <denisel> the shell konsole
[03:47] <stdin> K`zan: you may need to install xorg-dev, and if it for kate, you may need kdelibs-dev too
[03:47] <andre> ok
[03:47] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: try "sudo apt-get build-dep kate"
[03:47] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30331
[03:47] <stdin> denisel: yes
[03:47] <dwidmann> jeff_: the ones from nvidias site, it'll do either the legacy(7xxx), the stable (96xx), or the beta(97xx)
[03:47] <stdin> denisel: in there you can now install java and agree to the licence
[03:47] <kai_> stdin: I have to gtkpod, is there more stuff I need to than what its tellin me
[03:47] <bobleny> Grr... adept wont open from the system menue....
[03:48] <denisel> ok
[03:48] <denisel> do i just go to the java site
[03:48] <dwidmann> bobleny: sometimes it will take a couple tries
[03:48] <bobleny> I dont even get an error. It says it is loading then it disapears
[03:48] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Great except for: The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:48] <K`zan>   nvidia-glx
[03:48] <bobleny> Why?
[03:48] <Eruantalon> stdin: Is there a good way to now what dev-packages you need to have installed to compile stuff. I remember trying to get kdevelp to work was a pain of enormous dimensions!
[03:48] <bobleny> It should only take one
[03:48] <jeff_> dwidmann: ah, I was just reading the site (should have done that before asking) -- I've got the driver compiled and everything -- just getting hangs.  I'll try my modified xorg.conf file, and I've got the url to your pastebin saved, so I should be able to muddle through it.  Thanks again
[03:48] <stdin> kai_: no, those apps are just used to read the ipod database (to locate the songs), the ipod then jusr mounts as a normas usb drive
[03:48] <farkr> how come after i did an 'addgroup ntfs' it doesnt show up in /etc/password?
[03:48] <dwidmann> bobleny: some sort of problem with kdesu, I think.
[03:48] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: the only answer I can give you is WTF?
[03:49] <denisel> the shell thing is up
[03:49] <denisel> how do i get java on it
[03:49] <kai_> when I do lusb it does show up
[03:49] <bobleny> Why is there so many problems with this thing?
[03:49] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: :-), I'm right with you there :).  I think that it wants to uninstall my nvidia drivers to get the stuff to be able to build kate ?!?
[03:49] <dwidmann> with which thing?
[03:49] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: the tab extension is in kate on my system
[03:49] <Eruantalon> bobleny try running adept_manager from shell
[03:49] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Not here :-(.
[03:49] <kai_> stdin: but its not showing up as a usb device
[03:50] <stdin> Eruantalon: no, you just have to look at the output of ./configure and make and you learn what to look for, but for GUI apps, you normally need xorg-dev and for kde apps you normally need libkde-dev
[03:50] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: lemme look at the install for kate again.
[03:50] <bobleny> It loaded finally, it took four trys
[03:50] <constantine-xvi> K`zan: and what's really wrong with the documents pane?
[03:50] <Eruantalon> stdin: That really sucks
[03:50] <bobleny> does dapper drake have these problems?
[03:50] <stdin> denisel: ok, do this: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[03:51] <dwidmann> bobleny: yes
[03:51] <dwidmann> as does breezy, it seems to be a really old problem.
[03:51] <farkr> man ive tried everything on fstab to get fuse to work and it refuses to let me copy files to ntfs, just keeps saying 'operation not supported' oh well i give up
[03:51] <stdin> Eruantalon: that's why the ubuntu people compile them for you :)
[03:51] <stdin> kai_: dose lsusb show it?
[03:51] <K`zan> constantine-xvi: Got kate and kate extensions installed, perhaps I need to restart kde to get it to see it /1/
[03:51] <bobleny> ...
[03:52] <ralph_> Hello All.  Can anyone tell me why this is happening?  I am using edgy and have found that my Konqueror app keeps screwing up.  I launch it and it takes a long timw to display anything, then if I switch to Detailed view, it ceases to respond.  I have deleted my .rc file and it works for awhile, ten breaks again.
[03:52] <bobleny> Bye all, thanks alot for the help!
[03:52] <kai_> stdin: yes
[03:52] <Eruantalon> stdin: :-) well it is not everything they compile for me for insttance i don't think they have a deb packages of the program i am trying to write right now...
[03:52] <stdin> kai_: what dose "ls /dev/sd*" show ?
[03:52] <denisel> it says 0 upgradede 0 installed 0 to remove and 159 not upgraded
[03:52] <ubuntu_> cao
[03:53] <stdin> Eruantalon: no, they can't compile it without the source code :p
[03:53] <kai_> stdin: Im sorry, Im not familer w/ that command
[03:53] <Marija> hi people!
[03:53] <kai_> stdin: /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2
[03:53] <Eruantalon> stdin: Is it for speed purposees that the dev packages are not installed by default?
[03:53] <kai_> is that what you meant
[03:53] <stdin> kai_: yes :)
[03:53] <flaccid> is anybody using a later version of gcc in dapper than what is available in sources??
[03:54] <stdin> kai_: do this: pmount /dev/sda2 ipod
[03:54] <denisel> will it work now
[03:54] <stdin> kai_: without sido
[03:54] <stdin> denisel: try it
[03:54] <stdin> ^^^ *sudo
[03:54] <okirema> nick americo
[03:54] <kai_> stdin: I did it, it appeared nothing happend
[03:55] <stdin> kai_: now look in /media/ipod :)
[03:55] <kai_> I think it did mount tho
[03:55] <kai_> ok
[03:55] <kai_> nice
[03:55] <kai_> its there now
[03:55] <kai_> Do I have to that everytime?
[03:55] <denisel> nope it says this game can not be played
[03:55] <okirema> hello bobesponja
[03:56] <bobesponja> hey okirema
[03:56] <kai_> So when I plug it in cun I have amarok run that command stdin?
[03:56] <okirema> hablas espanol no?
[03:56] <denisel> grrrrrrrrrrr
[03:56] <stdin> kai_: I think you can get amarok to run it, yes
[03:56] <Eruantalon> denisel: Do you have a link for that game?
[03:56] <stdin> !es | okirema
[03:56] <ubotu> okirema: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:56] <kai_> Im restarting it now
[03:57] <denisel> its just in yahoo games under euchre
[03:57] <dwidmann> denisel: what browser are you using with java?
[03:57] <denisel> kubuntu
[03:57] <okirema> nadie habla espanol aqui?
[03:57] <dwidmann> !es
[03:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:57] <kai_> stdin: is my amarok busted? its still mounted, amarok is still telling me its not connected?
[03:58] <andre> Eruantalon ...did not work
[03:58] <okirema> y es obligado?
[03:58] <andre> eu falo portugues serve?
[03:59] <dwidmann> denisel: kubuntu is the linux distro/os, which browser are you using, konqueror? firefox? opera? something else entirely?
[03:59] <andre> anybody know how to configure nvidia geforce 5200 128 mb ?
[04:00] <denisel> konqueror sorry
[04:00] <Eruantalon> andre; try running glxgears
[04:00] <dwidmann> andre, what do you need to do with it, did it not work for you in the livecd?
[04:01] <dwidmann> andre: or is what you're looking for 3d acceleration?
[04:01] <stdin> kai_: maybe because amarok didn't mount it, you may need to configure it in amarok settings, under media devices
[04:01] <Eruantalon> andre; what happens?
[04:01] <andre> i'm trying to run the american's army game and I do that I download the game and...
[04:02] <dwidmann> denisel: try firefox or opera, konqueror's method of using java is rather strange imo, maybe it's the problem, won't hurt to check.
[04:02] <Eruantalon> denisel; I can't get the game to work either
[04:02] <denisel> ok so go to adapt and get firefox
[04:02] <andre> after i put this sudo chmod a+x armyops250-linux.run
[04:02] <dwidmann> denisel, sure
[04:02] <andre> and after this
[04:02] <Tamacracker> Guys when I type this command: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces  I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/902/
[04:03] <denisel> my brother has the same thing and he got it to workk
[04:03] <Tamacracker> I'm tryin to get my wireless usb adapter to work :\
[04:03] <andre> at adept manager i installed all the packages of n vidia
[04:04] <Eruantalon> yep euchre works in firefox
[04:04] <bonbonthejon> is anyone else having trouble editing in kaddressbook
[04:04] <denisel> cool
[04:05] <dwidmann> andre: try opening up konsole and typing in this: "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig", then log out, select restart xserver from the kdm menu, and log back in.
[04:05] <andre> dwidmann? wait a minute
[04:06] <denisel> it says i already have fire fox where would i find it
[04:07] <Eruantalon> Under internet
[04:07] <Eruantalon> in the menu
[04:07] <stdin> Tamacracker: you may find nano easier than vi, or you can open it in kate with "kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces "
[04:07] <andre> dwidmann: the error /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporari                                                             ly unavailable)
[04:07] <denisel> thanks
[04:07] <Eruantalon> or open a commandshell and write firefox
[04:08] <dwidmann> andre, you can't use aptitude and adept at the same time, or multiple of any apt program really.
[04:08] <stdin> andre: do you have adept open?
[04:08] <andre> stidin sorry my adept was open
[04:09] <stdin> andre: the command from dwidmann will work now
[04:09] <andre> it is working now
[04:09] <denisel> one min
[04:09] <Eruantalon> does it matter wether you use apt-get install or synaptic install og adept install?
[04:10] <andre> dwidmann now this error sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found
[04:11] <stdin> Eruantalon: adept and synaptic are all frontends to apt-get, which is just a frontend to dpkg, so it don't matter which you use
[04:11] <Eruantalon> good
[04:11] <dwidmann> Hmm, lovely
[04:11] <denisel> its not working in firefox ether
[04:11] <kai_> stdin: instead of typing this command everysingle time, can I put it in my profile somewhere so it comes up automagiclly?
[04:11] <Eruantalon> hmm
[04:12] <BluesKaj> what about aptitude ? :)
[04:12] <Eruantalon> denisel: same problem?
[04:12] <hatta> it can matter, not all front ends are as good at resolving dependencies as others
[04:12] <dwidmann> andre: did the installation of nvidia-glx fail?
[04:12] <hatta> but that usually only matters during a distupgrade
[04:12] <denisel> yep
[04:12] <stdin> dwidmann: the command in anything before edgy is "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:12] <dwidmann> stdin: that's funny, I remember using this command in dapper
[04:13] <dwidmann> or did I :s oh well
[04:13] <andre> failed again
[04:13] <denisel> i got a pop up saying web plugins
[04:13] <stdin> dwidmann: I just looked at the help page, and it said to use that command I said, unless you're in edgy
[04:13] <andre> and there's nobogy at chat in brazil, i think just me use ubuntu here
[04:13] <stdin> kai_: you can, but it means that you'll have to plug in the ipod before you login
[04:14] <dwidmann> andre try that (s/that/'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable')
[04:14] <Eruantalon> denisel: That sounds like you don't have java properly installed
[04:14] <stdin> andre: #ubuntu-br is Brazilian
[04:14] <andre> dwidmann ok here we go
[04:14] <denisel> ok how do i installe it properly
[04:15] <Eruantalon> denisel: try this link to see wether it is installed http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[04:15] <Eruantalon> Press the verify installation button
[04:15] <dwidmann> denisel: you might need to set sun java to the default if it hasn't been already, one sec and I'll show you how that can be done.
[04:15] <kai_> I'm familier w/ mounting core 4, how do It in this nix?
[04:15] <dwidmann> denisel: and also copy and past the plugin around, if you haven't done th a already too
[04:16] <stdin> why not just follow the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[04:16] <dwidmann> kai_ mounting is pretty much th e same all around.
[04:16] <dwidmann> denisel: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:16] <stdin> kai_: pmount just means you don't have to be root to mount a removable device, like usb devices
[04:17] <andre> dwidmann it isn't working
[04:17] <stdin> kai_: for normal mounting just use "sudo mount"
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[04:17] <andre> dwidmann where i have to use this command at console?
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> what's the maximum number of files that can be open at one time?
[04:17] <kai_> stdin: what does this command do ->ls /dev/sd*
[04:18] <kai_> check for open devices or something
[04:18] <strayhikari> Hey, sorry new to kubuntu and confused, trying to find out how to install the nvidia drivers, I found the directions on ubuntu's site, but they seem to be just for the gnome version
[04:18] <dwidmann> andre: one moment
[04:18] <denisel> There are 6 alternatives which provide `java'.
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> kai_: it lists all devices in /dev that start with sd
[04:18] <denisel>   Selection    Alternative
[04:18] <hatta> it lists all your scsi drives
[04:18] <denisel> -----------------------------------------------
[04:18] <denisel>       1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[04:18] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:18] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[04:18] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[04:18] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[04:18] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[04:18] <denisel> this is what i see
[04:18] <fiendskull9> why are the ubuntu repos going SO slow?
[04:18] <kai_> why would you want to look for that
[04:18] <dwidmann> andre: hmm, you can use it in console in general
[04:18] <stdin> kai_: lists any file in /dev that starts with 'sd' (all usb drives start with sd, as well as SATA HDDs)
[04:18] <andre> dwidmann ok
[04:18] <soulrider> !es
[04:18] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:18] <sistemas> #kubuntu-es
[04:19] <dwidmann> denisel: choose .... none of those by the looks of it
[04:19] <denisel> ok
[04:19] <andre> dwidmann i used at console but my console stay stopped
[04:19] <kai_> Oh, the other command means there an open sport for me to mount the ipod?
[04:19] <denisel> my bro told me how to copy and paste
[04:19] <dwidmann> denisel: sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre
[04:19] <stdin> kai_: it just check that linux can see the ipod as a drive
[04:20] <kai_> oh ok
[04:20] <stdin> kai_: everything in linux is a file, even disks :)
[04:20] <dwidmann> andre: so it's not doing anything eh, at which point did it fail, did it install the nvidia-glx package successfully, or don't you know?
[04:20] <kai_> right
[04:20] <Eruantalon> denisel: Did you try http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[04:20] <denisel>     1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[04:20] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:20] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[04:20] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[04:20] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[04:20] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[04:20] <strayhikari> How do you add restricted repositories to the Adept Manager? (trying to get nvidia drivers working)
[04:20] <denisel> thats what i got
[04:20] <Eruantalon> !restricted
[04:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:21] <andre> dwidmann let me see if i installed
[04:21] <soulrider> !es
[04:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:21] <stdin> strayhikari: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu explains how
[04:22] <dwidmann> denisel: you'll probably want to use sun's java for applets if you're interested in it working with everything, install sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin, then run sudo update-alternatives --config java after.
[04:22] <Eruantalon> denisel: Did you trying verifying?
[04:22] <denisel> my java inviroment is free software foundation and
[04:22] <stdin> strayhikari: but restricted is normally enabled anyway
[04:22] <denisel> and 142
[04:22] <strayhikari> stdin: Thank you
[04:22] <stdin> :)
[04:22] <Eruantalon> Ok. That seems to be the problem
[04:23] <denisel> yes thats what i got
[04:23] <dwidmann> yes, and like I said, you'll probably want sun java if you're expecting things to work ...
[04:23] <denisel> free software ande 142 think
[04:23] <stdin> should be something like: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[04:23] <denisel> how do i got that
[04:24] <denisel> get
[04:24] <andre> dwidmann there ae three packages  nvidia glx -dev, nvidia glx-legacy, nvidia-legacy-dev how do i have intall?
[04:24] <Tamacracker> guys
[04:24] <Tamacracker> can someone please help me
[04:24] <Tamacracker> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:""
[04:24] <Tamacracker>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
[04:24] <Tamacracker>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B
[04:24] <bonbonthejon> Tamacracker: what is your problem
[04:24] <dwidmann> andre, what you need is nvidia-glx, not nvidia-glx-dev, or either of the legacy ones, IIRC
[04:24] <andre> dwidmann there aren't install
[04:24] <stdin> denisel: install sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin
[04:24] <stdin> !wifi
[04:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:24] <Tamacracker> im tryin to install my little belkin wireless usb adapter
[04:25] <Tamacracker> wifi docs sucks.
[04:25] <Tamacracker> non of that is working.
[04:25] <andre> dwidmann nvidia-glx is installed
[04:25] <Eruantalon> denisel: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:25] <stdin> Tamacracker: what model berlkin ?
[04:25] <denisel> can i have a link
[04:25] <bonbonthejon> Tamacracker: did you try wassistant to scan for networks
[04:25] <kai_> stdin: I got it workin in Amarok I had to put the mount point an dnam emy pod
[04:25] <Marija> do anyone have linux?
[04:25] <Eruantalon> denisel: run this command: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:25] <kai_> Your tha man
[04:26] <Marija> ?
[04:26] <denisel> ok
[04:26] <stdin> kai_: no problem :)
[04:26] <dwidmann> andre, try running sudo nvidia-glx-config, I think that's what stdin said for dapper systems, anyhow.
[04:26] <Tamacracker> it's the 54G
[04:26] <Tamacracker> and the file it uses is
[04:26] <Tamacracker> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:""
[04:26] <Tamacracker>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
[04:26] <Tamacracker>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B
[04:26] <Eruantalon> Marija: Yes
[04:26] <Tamacracker> ack!
[04:26] <Tamacracker> sorry
[04:26] <dwidmann> Marija, I think everyone here has linux :)
[04:26] <Tamacracker> rt73.inf <- that's the file i install
[04:27] <stdin> dwidmann, andre: I got the info from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:27] <denisel> it says command not found
[04:27] <Eruantalon> you sure?
[04:28] <Tamacracker> then when i try to uninstall it
[04:28] <Tamacracker> it says it's not installed.
[04:28] <Tamacracker> then when i try to reinstall it
[04:28] <Tamacracker> it says it's already installed.
[04:28] <denisel> cant find package
[04:28] <andre> dwidmann I'm trying this info
[04:28] <Eruantalon> Which package?
[04:28] <andre> dwidmann thanks for the help
[04:28] <dwidmann> andre, you're welcome
[04:29] <denisel> sun java5 jre
[04:29] <dwidmann> !multiverse | denisel
[04:29] <ubotu> denisel: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:29] <andre> dwidmann if is not work I'll be back
[04:29] <dwidmann> kay
[04:29] <Eruantalon> yep. You haven't enabled the right repositories
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm getting an error in ktorrent about "too many files open"...
[04:30] <denisel> ok sorry
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not something i've seen before :\
[04:30] <stdin> denisel: what dose "apt-cache policy sun-java5-jre" show?
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> repo servers are slow as
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> today
[04:31] <Linux_Galore> seems to be the ubuntu.com server
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> kubuntu ones are fine
[04:32] <stdin> Linux_Galore: then use a different mirror
[04:32] <denisel> unable to locare
[04:32] <denisel> locate
[04:32] <Eruantalon> denisel: You have to enable to repositories
[04:32] <stdin> denisel: the multiverse repository
[04:32] <Eruantalon> follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> stdin: its funny they download fine its just the update headers stuff is really slow
[04:33] <dwidmann> denisel: pull up adept, go to manage repositories, look for a line that says something along the lines of "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse", right click on it, and select enable
[04:33] <andre> familia vc fala portugus?
[04:33] <stdin> Linux_Galore: is there a local before archive.ubuntu.com, like au.archive.ubuntu.com in your sources ?
[04:33] <denisel> ok im back in manage reposirories
[04:34] <stdin> andre: #ubuntu-pt
[04:34] <Tamacracker> Why am I gettins this error:
[04:34] <Tamacracker> tamacracker@tamacracker:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:34] <Tamacracker> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument
[04:34] <denisel> theres 5 with deb at the start
[04:34] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yeah I have the au ones
[04:34] <stdin> Tamacracker: have you setup ndiswrapper ?
[04:34] <Tamacracker> im pretty sure i did
[04:35] <Tamacracker> i downloaded it
[04:35] <Tamacracker> installed it
[04:35] <Tamacracker> then installed the inf  file i need to install for my usb adapter
[04:35] <draik> Good evening everyone
[04:35] <Tamacracker> and now im stuck.
[04:35] <andre> stdin I know that but here in Brazil it's night  1:34 pm and I think that ti is everybody sleeping or just me use kubuntu
[04:35] <Tamacracker> im grasping at straws and non of them are gettin me anywhere.
[04:35] <stdin> Linux_Galore: did you know that ubuntu don't host that server :p it points to mirror.optus.net :)
[04:35] <andre> stdin there is not anything at chat
[04:35] <stdin> ok
[04:36] <dwidmann> denisel, do it to the line that has "multiverse" in it
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> stdin: yeah seems to be the au specific stuff thats lagging
[04:37] <strayhikari> Has anyone ever seen it where under Monitor & Display - System Settings, when you click on administrator nothing happens, it doens't ask you for a password just sits there?
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> stdin: I usually have no issues and its really fast
[04:38] <stdin> Linux_Galore: you can try and find a better mirror, or just wait for them to sort it out at mirror.optus.net
[04:38] <denisel> ok what if it just says disable
[04:38] <Tamacracker> Does anyone have an AUTHENTIC step by step guide on how to install and start up a Wireless 54G Belkin USB Adapter?!?
[04:38] <Eruantalon> denisel: That probably means that it is enabled
[04:38] <Tamacracker> My Wireless Assistant If recognizing wireless connections by my USB adapter isn't blinking.
[04:38] <denisel> oj
[04:38] <denisel> ok
[04:38] <Eruantalon> Have you tried pressing the fetch updates button
[04:39] <stdin> Tamacracker: what model dose it give for it in lsusb ?
[04:39] <Tamacracker> I don' tknow what ISUSB im a noob
[04:39] <denisel> ok im doing that now
[04:39] <bg__> so when I tried to install bluez-utils-3.8 it said dbus > .35 require. atp0get says dbus is already latest version.  bluez-libs-3.8 complied and isntalled properly but utils cannot configure.
[04:39] <stdin> Tamacracker: it's a console command, so just type it in konsole and post in pastebin
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> !tremulous
[04:40] <ubotu> tremulous: Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0-2 (edgy), package size 1153 kB, installed size 2740 kB
[04:40] <denisel> ok i went to fetch updates and it went back to the mane screen
[04:40] <dwidmann> denisel: after you've enabled it, click on fetch updates
[04:40] <Tamacracker> ash: isusb: command not found
[04:40] <stdin> Tamacracker: lsusb no isusb
[04:40] <Eruantalon> denisel: Ok, try installing the two packages again
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[04:40] <stdin> Tamacracker: lower case L
[04:41] <dope> is there anything special i need to install to connect via ssh to a kubuntu install?
[04:41] <dope> shouldn't it have everything already installed?
[04:41] <stdin> dope: yes, you need the ssh server, just install the package "ssh"
[04:41] <dope> ah ok
[04:41] <dope> getting now
[04:41] <dope> thx
[04:41] <stdin> :)
[04:42] <Eruantalon> stdin: Are you often in here answering everybodys questions?
[04:42] <stdin> Eruantalon: yes, I'm normally here
[04:42] <stdin> most (if not every) days
[04:43] <Eruantalon> I have only been here a few hours and already i've answered the same question a dozen times...
[04:43] <kgarrod> I'm trying to configure kate on edgy but cant't find the settings menu
[04:43] <Tamacracker> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/904/
[04:43] <denisel> ok somthing happend
[04:43] <denisel> i got a buch of text
[04:44] <stdin> Eruantalon: yeah, you get a lot of repeat questions here, especially with things like java, flash and mp3 support
[04:44] <Eruantalon> and nvidia :-)
[04:44] <cloakable> kgarrod: On the menu Settings > Configure Kate
[04:44] <Eruantalon> funny how it is all the proprietay stuff...
[04:44] <Eruantalon> denisel: Did it install?
[04:44] <kai_> stdin: say bud, how do unmount?
[04:44] <stdin> Eruantalon: yeah, that's why the bot is useful
[04:44] <denisel> i dont know
[04:45] <bg__> alright then. how about help me with another thing if not with that. I cannot get the shell to display properly. Infact, durring boot my screen is messed up and I carely see anything. If I don't use the graphich login, the screen is black. and I need to be out of xorg to install my ati ddriver
[04:45] <Linux_Galore> stdin: should put kubextra on the repo, it makes installing those things a no brainer
[04:45] <kgarrod> cloakable: configure kate is not an  option there
[04:45] <Eruantalon> stdin: It just seems that many people don't get the bot. I know i didn't in the beginning
[04:45] <stdin> kai_: use pumount, either "pumount /dev/sda2" or "pumount ipod"
[04:45] <cloakable> kgarrod: That's odd. It is on mine.
[04:45] <kgarrod> cloakable: Edgy?
[04:45] <Eruantalon> denisel: try update-alternatives --config java     again
[04:46] <denisel> ok what do i type in mabey i put the rong thing in
[04:46] <cloakable> kgarrod: Yeah
[04:46] <Eruantalon> if it says something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java then it is installed
[04:46] <stdin> Eruantalon: that's why you use the bot like "!mp3 | nickname" then the bot will answer like "nickname: info here ..."
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> kubextra "A graphical front end for installing extra packages like java/nvidia/flash  -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48166
[04:47] <denisel> theres a list of 6 things
[04:47] <Eruantalon> yes. When I first came to ask i question someone made the bot privatemessage me but i didn't notice so i kept asking...
[04:47] <Eruantalon> is any of them /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[04:47] <kgarrod> cloakable: What is the path?
[04:48] <denisel>  1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[04:48] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:48] <denisel>       3        /usr/bin/java-sablevm
[04:48] <denisel>       4        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[04:48] <denisel>       5        /usr/bin/cacao
[04:48] <denisel>       6        /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/java
[04:48] <kgarrod> cloakable: command?
[04:48] <dwidmann> denisel, did sun-java5-jre install okay/
[04:48] <stdin> Tamacracker: can you post "lsusb -v -d 050d:705a"
[04:48] <cloakable> kgarrod: What? I start kate from the menu
[04:48] <Eruantalon> stdin: How come denisel has that many jvms?
[04:48] <denisel> no it dose not want to
[04:49] <stdin> Eruantalon: apparently he downloaded it from the sun website too
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you have three lots of java installed
[04:49] <kgarrod> cloakable: in the menu editor, what is the command that is run?
[04:49] <Eruantalon> denisel: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin       again. Does it say that the packages are already installed?
[04:49] <kgarrod> cloakable: for configure kate
[04:49] <cloakable> kgarrod: You don't run a command there.
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> denisel: did you run the apt-get  javasetup thing
[04:49] <cloakable> kgarrod: you run kate, and look in the settings menu in that program
[04:50] <junocdx> I just installed Kubuntu.  Can someone tell me how to install GAIM?
[04:50] <Eruantalon> junocdx: sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> junocdx: sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:50] <Eruantalon> or install via adept
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> !java
[04:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[04:50] <denisel> it just says there are 6 alternatibes
[04:50] <junocdx> awesome, thanks
[04:50] <stdin> Eruantalon: maybe the sun package removed the ubuntu package files, so "sudo apt-get --reinstall install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin" may work
[04:51] <kubuntero> junocdx: Have you tried Kopete?
[04:51] <stdin> to denisel too ^^
[04:51] <Eruantalon> stdin: Before the sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin packages wheren't installed
[04:51] <junocdx> yes.  I prefer Gaim
[04:51] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Welcome to the family btw
[04:51] <Eruantalon> I am trying to verify that they were installed
[04:51] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: ?
[04:51] <kubuntero> junocdx: Go right ahead :)
[04:51] <junocdx> Actually, I'd rather use Trillian. =\
[04:51] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Sitting in here answering questions over and over again :)
[04:51] <kgarrod> cloakable: oops!
[04:52] <Linux_Galore> denisel: did you run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:52] <kubuntero> bobleny: How goes?
[04:52] <junocdx> Trillian doesnt have a Linux port does it?
[04:52] <bobleny> Good! Sorta
[04:52] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: :-) The weird thing is that i am using my week off work for this...
[04:52] <bobleny> This thing still gives me problems :(
[04:52] <Eruantalon> Linux_Galore: Yes he/she did
[04:52] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: Don't tell anyone. I use my weeks on work to do this :)
[04:53] <kubuntero> junocdx: Nope far as I know they used to work with GAIm then decided to make money off it
[04:53] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: I am supposed to be learning qt right now... but this keeps distracting me
[04:53] <Linux_Galore> Eruantalon: I have a feeling he/she has isntalled a java package after that command and now its mucked up
[04:53] <cloakable> kgarrod: You found it?
[04:53] <dwidmann> perhaps, sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[04:53] <kubuntero> bobleny: This being what now?
[04:53] <Eruantalon> denisel: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin                and tell us afterward what that says
[04:53] <Tamacracker> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/906/
[04:54] <kgarrod> cloakable: yes. I was being dumb. It's a bit early in the morning here
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> junocdx: no, we use gaim
[04:54] <denisel> it just gives me alternithives to java
[04:54] <stdin> Eruantalon: most of the time you get some easy question here, like "how do I get flash?", but sometimes you get some nice challenging questions too, like someone wanted to know how to stop kicker from loading for certain users
[04:55] <dwidmann> denisel: update-alternatives is used to set which programs are used by default given a handful of alternatives for things such as java, text editors, web browsers, etc
[04:55] <Eruantalon> stdin: Most of the time though this channel seems to be to crowded for my taste. When I can't keep up while trying to do something else i quit
[04:55] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you have installed 3 versions of java that command allows you to select what it going to be the default for your system
[04:55] <kgarrod> cloakable: I am trying to add syntax checking for Rails. I put the xml file in /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax, but locate katepart doesn't show it
[04:55] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: I just pop in randomly
[04:55] <dwidmann> sometimes I even sit and stay a while :O
[04:55] <kubuntero> Eruantalon: join  #ubuntu :-)
[04:56] <cloakable> kgarrod: I'm not sure about that, sorry.
[04:56] <Eruantalon> kubuntero: hell no!
[04:56] <bobleny> Well, kubuntero, since you asked, when I go to kmenu>log out > restart, the computer hangs on shutdown....
[04:56] <K`zan> is there a way to install older versions (~1.5) of firefox?
[04:56] <kubuntero> bobleny: When?
[04:56] <stdin> Eruantalon: in konversation (as well as other clients), you can get it to insert a line when you minimise it, so you can come back and see what's been said from that point on, it's quite useful
[04:56] <Eruantalon> how?
[04:56] <kubuntero> stdin: Seriously?
[04:56] <kubuntero> How?
[04:56] <kubuntero> lol
[04:56] <kgarrod> I am trying to add syntax checking for Rails. I put the xml file in /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax, but 'locate katepart' doesn't show it
[04:57] <dwidmann> stdin: yes, do tell
[04:57] <kubuntero> stdin: You use konversation?
[04:57] <denisel> a + sign is by the number 2 it says /usr/lib/jvm/jaba-gcj/jre/bin/jave
[04:57] <bobleny> I dont remember... lets find out... infact, maybe it wont do it... think positivly....
[04:57] <stdin> kubuntero: yes
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> denisel: gcj  is rubbish
[04:57] <dwidmann> denisel: that's because it is the current default
[04:57] <kubuntero> stdin: Tell me how :)
[04:57] <Eruantalon> stdin: Konversation ROCKS!
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you want the sun version
[04:58] <denisel> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[04:58] <denisel> how do i do that
[04:58] <Eruantalon> denisel: try              sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:58] <stdin> Eruantalon dwidmann: in konversation, Settings -> configure Konversation -> Chat Window, click the "Insert remember line when chat window is hodden"
[04:58] <Eruantalon> and tell us what it says
[04:58] <stdin> kubuntero: ^^
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you use the command I posted before and it should list all the variants and you select the one you want, in this case the sun 1.5/5.0 one
[04:59] <stdin> s/hodeen/hidden/:p
[04:59] <Eruantalon> Linux_Galore: Denisel does not have the sun one in her list
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> denisel: if you install the gcj version of java it will default to that version, only down side is it doesnt work well
[04:59] <denisel> theere is a wrapper 4.1 and a wrapper 4.0 but no sun one
[04:59] <dwidmann> ah, neat, i had just recently switched from kopete (due to nasty memory leaks apparantly linked to irc in kopete), so I haven't really bothered configuring it yet ...
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> denisel: then you havent installed it
[05:00] <junocdx> Can I run Opera on 64-bit Kubuntu?
[05:00] <kubuntero> stdin: That does't count for alt-tabbing away does it?
[05:00] <dwidmann> junocdx: yes
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> denisel: you have intalled gcj  wont work
[05:00] <junocdx> how do I install the package?  I got an error because of the architecture
[05:00] <denisel> so what do i do to get it installed
[05:00] <stdin> kubuntero: no, but I have a shortcut key set to minimise the window
[05:01] <Eruantalon> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> denisel: install the sun 5.0 java package
[05:01] <dwidmann> junocdx: install all of the ia32-libs packages(there are a few), then install libasound32 (IIRC), then install the package in konsole with dpkg --install --force-architecture filename.deb
[05:01] <bobleny> Didn't do it that time.... It has every other time I've told it to restart.... Dumb thing....
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> denisel: run adept you should see it
[05:01] <Eruantalon> denisel: do: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:01] <denisel> ok
[05:01] <kubuntero> stdin: Aside from  Alt+F3
[05:02] <bobleny> But, how often does one have to restart the computer?
[05:02] <Eruantalon> stdin: Hmm i don't have that option
[05:03] <stdin> kubuntero: yes, it just minimises the window, not bring up the menu, but because I use beryl, I have one set in there aswel
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> denisel: actually you will have to install java from the command line sorry it needs you to ok a licence queery
[05:03] <stdin> Eruantalon: it should be there, if you're in kinversation
[05:03] <dwidmann> gah, something reset my uptime ... or wait, I put in that hard drive last night, before that I hadn't rebooted for 2 weeks
[05:03] <Eruantalon> what version?
[05:04] <denisel> im looking in adept
[05:04] <bobleny> Hey, is there a way to make the num lock turn on by defult? It is always off when I turn the comp on.
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> denisel: dont bother it wont work
[05:04] <stdin> Tamacracker: I can't find the chip set for that one, but I did find this which may help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323481
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> denisel: type sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[05:04] <dwidmann> bobleny: maybe in your bios, I know my bios has an option for that
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> denisel: one thats finnished run
[05:04] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: that must be the 20th time
[05:04] <stdin> Eruantalon: it was in the dapper and edgy versions, i'm in feisty and it's in this one too
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> denisel: did you run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> oops