 I5 , 16gig ram , Radeon HD 5450 1 gig
[06:33] <mazal> Yeah I was on KDE before , but didn't like it much
[06:33] <Kilos> wow that must fly
[06:34] <mazal> Yeah on 12.04 it's very sweet :)
[06:34] <bakuman> pfff, that's entry level O_O
[06:34] <Kilos> lol compared to me bakuman
[06:34] <bakuman> just joking, better than mine :D
[06:35] <bakuman> what problems did you have mazal? hw drivers?
[06:35] <Kilos> dont you read our lists bakuman ?
[06:36] <bakuman> no, i'm too lazy
[06:36] <Kilos> lol
[06:36] <bakuman> I just use them of my name was mentioned
[06:36] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w
[06:36] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[06:36] <Maaz> inetpro: There isn't a pot on
[06:37] <inetpro> put it on damnit!
[06:37] <Kilos> i learned lots from other peeps fixes in the mails
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[06:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:37] <Maaz> Kilos: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[06:37] <Kilos> eish
[06:37]  * inetpro woke up to early this morn
[06:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[06:37] <Kilos> i noticed
[06:38] <bakuman> Kilos, you meen mailing list?
[06:38] <Kilos> yes bakuman
[06:38] <bakuman> not on the list, link?
[06:38] <Kilos> mazal, been trying to get help there fo a while now
[06:38] <Kilos> sec
[06:38] <bakuman> MOAAARRR spam
[06:38] <Kilos> no man our list is clean
[06:38] <bakuman> haha
[06:39] <bakuman> pff not after I join :D
[06:39] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:39] <Kilos> well flame war you
[06:39] <bakuman> we'll :D
[06:40] <Kilos> we got some good hackers here they crack you up
[06:40] <bakuman> hohoho D:
[06:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[06:41] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[06:41] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[06:41] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie oom
[06:41] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[06:41] <inetpro> ai
[06:42] <Kilos> ek maak reg
[06:42] <inetpro> stadig vandag
[06:42] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie oom
[06:42] <Maaz> Geniet boetie
[06:42] <inetpro> lol
[06:43] <Kilos> yo nlsthzn
[06:43] <Kilos> wb
[06:44] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[06:50]  * nlsthzn has Steam for Linux installed
[06:51]  * Kilos making cully and lice for next 3 days
[06:52] <Kilos> funyy we got no chinese visit here
[06:52] <Kilos> funny too
[06:52] <Kilos> and our ruskies have deserted
[06:53]  * nlsthzn could murder a currie right now
[06:53] <nlsthzn> curry even
[06:54] <Kilos> ya
[06:54] <Kilos> pull in
[06:54] <Kilos> you havent tried my recipe nlsthzn
[06:55] <Kilos> only the peeps on pidgin have
[06:55] <nlsthzn> no uncle Kilos ...
[06:55] <bakuman> nlsthzn, so you got accepted to the beta? :(
[06:55] <nlsthzn> nope bakuman
[06:55] <nlsthzn> you want in?
[06:55] <bakuman> yes :D
[06:55] <nlsthzn> bakuman, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/reddit-users-bypass-valve-linux-beta-invitations
[06:55] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , I use empathy
[06:56] <Kilos> lol
[06:56] <Kilos> i dunno if you will get the ingredients there
[06:56] <bakuman> Oo
[06:56] <bakuman> :D
[06:56] <nlsthzn> I still can't get tf2 installed but I have a list of 18 linux games that I can install via Steam (all the Humble Bundle games I registered with steam)
[06:58] <bakuman> ahh nice, I should have about hte same amount then
[06:59] <nlsthzn> coo
[06:59] <nlsthzn> *cool
[07:43] <Trixar_za> Sweet
[07:43] <Trixar_za> Xgnokii wouldn't get all the sms on the device
[07:43] <Trixar_za> So I'm using Gnocky
[07:44] <Trixar_za> Now I can check my sms while connected to 3G :)
[07:45] <Trixar_za> And sending works too
[07:45] <Trixar_za> Nice
[07:51] <Kilos> where you found that trix
[07:51] <Kilos> Trixar_za,
[07:51] <Kilos> its a pain them smses on the 3g modem sim
[07:52] <Kilos> i had to install modem on windows and then check them
[07:53] <Trixar_za> Well, it uses gnokii
[07:53] <Trixar_za> There is a trick to it
[07:53] <Kilos> the prepaid-manager-applet shows available airtime, not data or smses
[07:54] <Kilos> theres a trick to everything
[07:55] <Kilos> but my modem is an alcatel anyway
[07:55] <Trixar_za> http://www.getdeb.net/software/Gnocky
[07:56] <Trixar_za> http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Config#From_other_vendors
[07:56] <Trixar_za> I have a ZTE modem
[07:56] <Trixar_za> but my experience is that I can use ttyUSB3 for 3G
[07:56] <Trixar_za> and ttyUSB1 for SMS
[07:56] <Kilos> mine be a STC
[07:57] <Kilos> ty i look at links
[07:57] <Trixar_za> Now I will never miss another sms
[07:58] <Kilos> lol its a pain hey
[07:58] <Trixar_za> I might have lost out on going to Linkin Park tonight because of it :(
[07:58] <Trixar_za> Hence the reason I set this up
[07:58] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:58] <Kilos> aw
[08:03] <Kilos> no alcatel modems shown
[08:03] <Kilos> never mind
[08:27] <Squirm> hello
[08:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm y
[08:56] <charlvn> good morning
[08:57] <charlvn> wow i was so tired yesterday evening i didn't even log off :)
[08:57] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:57]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:57] <charlvn> need some caffiene to wake up :P
[09:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[09:06] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[09:23] <Symmetria> Kilos the guy I called is looking at it
[09:23] <Symmetria> trying to see what he can do
[09:24] <Kilos> hey ty very much Symmetria , howd your presentation go?
[09:28] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[09:28] <Maaz> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[09:28] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:28]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[09:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[09:32] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[09:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:32] <Squirm> Maaz: I wanted to cups :/
[09:32] <Maaz> Squirm: What?
[09:32] <Squirm> but thanks
[09:32] <Kilos> hehe
[09:32] <Kilos> you fulla
[09:33] <Kilos> what happene at the polo Squirm
[09:33] <Kilos> you got beat?
[09:33] <Squirm> maybe
[09:34] <Kilos> maybe?
[09:34] <Kilos> didnt you keep score
[10:12] <charlvn> tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1339422/
[10:12] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[10:12] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[10:12] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[10:14] <charlvn> hmm, bottom part got chopped off
[10:14] <charlvn> tumbleweed: sorry this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1339433/
[10:14] <charlvn> tumbleweed: i don't know if this is a good solution or not, maybe it's ugly, but lemme know what you think
[10:14] <charlvn> tumbleweed: basically i just rewrote what i did in java but into python
[10:15] <Kilos> hmm
[10:15] <Kilos> you do python too?
[10:15] <Kilos> why didnt you do it in python to start with
[10:15] <charlvn> Kilos: because i don't like it :)
[10:15] <charlvn> Kilos: and i had some existing java code to build on top of
[10:16] <Kilos> aha
[10:16] <Kilos> you like nuvolari hes a java man
[10:16] <charlvn> Kilos: just the way i have to print that exception to the stderr is very ugly
[10:17] <Kilos> i dunno pretty from ugly in code
[10:17] <Kilos> all ugly . hurts head
[10:17] <charlvn> actually, i was doing that wrong, i had an extra print in there
[10:17] <charlvn> this is the right way: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1339438/
[10:18] <charlvn> only noticed it now
[10:18] <charlvn> but print_exception(*exc_info()) is very ugly
[10:18] <charlvn> in java it's just exception.printStackTrace()
[10:18] <charlvn> ok i'm off bbl
[10:18] <Kilos> just as ugly man
[10:18] <Kilos> later
[10:38] <Trixar_za> Yay
[10:38] <Trixar_za> I'm going to Linkin Park
[10:38] <Kilos> whats happening there
[10:46] <tumbleweed> charlvn: yeah, I'd like to avoid scraping if possible
[10:58] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you like curry?
[10:58] <nlsthzn> yup
[10:58] <Kilos> do you get canned goods made by golddish or koo there
[10:59] <Kilos> both made a great vegetable curry in cans you can enjoy straight outa the tin
[10:59] <Kilos> or add to a mince you fried
[11:01] <Kilos> or the canned goods there like saudi? you cant understand whats in them
[11:01] <Kilos> hehe
[11:02] <Kilos> zeref, no hmm today?
[11:02] <Kilos> you sick
[11:08] <zeref> Kilos: lol
[11:08] <zeref> yeah something is in my throat
[11:09] <zeref> so hmmmm, sounds like hurrm&*%^%^#@#!%mmmmmm
[11:12] <nlsthzn> we sometimes get some SA stuff but not easy
[11:17] <charlvn> tumbleweed: yeah i thought as much; well anycase, that's what i managed to cook up :)
[11:21] <charlvn> ls
[11:21] <charlvn> gah!!!
[11:21] <charlvn> :)
[11:24] <mazal> Is bakuman still around ?
[11:26] <bakuman> nope O_O
[11:26] <mazal> Sorry man I see you asked me a question but I was running around all morning
[11:27] <bakuman> Oh, I cannot remember :D
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <mazal> You wanted to know what I was struggling with
[11:27] <bakuman> ahh
[11:28] <Kilos> about drivers with 12.10 and his i5 pc
[11:28] <mazal> Oom Kilos there was so may issues I can't even remember them all LOL
[11:28] <bakuman> haha
[11:28] <Kilos> lol
[11:28] <mazal> Some on 12.10 and 1 on 1.04
[11:28] <mazal> 12.04 even
[11:29] <Kilos> but when booting from cd it looks fine till you have installed hey?
[11:29] <mazal> 12.10 My issues were: dreadfully slow , extremely buggy , apps struggling to run or not running at all and Nvidia drivers not working
[11:29] <mazal> That was on the old dual core
[11:30] <mazal> Then the i5 caem and I went back to 12.04
[11:30] <mazal> Only 1 issue there , can;t image at all
[11:30] <mazal> Neither Redo or clonezilla works
[11:30] <mazal> And I also picked up an issue for the future
[11:30] <mazal> Only unity 2d is available until I install the ATI drivers
[11:31] <Kilos> ya i had same here with nvidia on 12.04
[11:31] <mazal> So I wondered in version that don't have unity 2d at all , how one would install and get up and running to actually install the drivers
[11:31] <Kilos> nvidia-current didnt even work, had to use nvidia 173
[11:31] <mazal> So it has been a very frustrating and struggling week
[11:32] <Kilos> they have another way
[11:32] <Kilos> read mail
[11:32] <Kilos> from peter nel
[11:32] <mazal> Now I am fine back on 12.04 , apart from imaging that don't work. And that can not be ubuntu related
[11:32] <mazal> Not that I know of
[11:33] <mazal> For imaging Kilos ?
[11:34] <Kilos> no about the new way unity is gonna work without the 2d option
[11:34] <Kilos> answer to your mail
[11:35] <mazal> Ah yes I have read that  , sounds like it will do software rendering untill you install the divers , if I understand correctly
[11:35] <Kilos> what is imaging?
[11:35] <mazal> Cloning
[11:35] <Kilos> of what?
[11:35] <mazal> Making an image of the whole hdd
[11:36] <mazal> To restore in case of disaster
[11:36] <Kilos> remastersys
[11:36] <mazal> No that makes an iso
[11:36] <mazal> For re-install
[11:36] <mazal> Imaging make a full duplicate
[11:36] <mazal> like dd
[11:36] <Kilos> oh like raid drives
[11:36] <mazal> But dd not an option on a 2TB drive
[11:37] <Kilos> whew thats large ya
[11:37] <mazal> I always used Redo , but that refuse to work now
[11:37] <mazal> Have no idea why
[11:37] <mazal> Even tried the latest clonezilla , no go
[11:38] <Kilos> whats google say
[11:38] <mazal> So for now I will have to rely on my Remastersys .iso and rsynced backups of important data
[11:38] <mazal> Google say tons of apps for Windows , but only Redo , clonezilla and dd for linux
[11:39] <mazal> What I could find anyway , dunno if I missed one
[11:39] <Kilos> no i mean if you google clonezilla and redo dont work
[11:39] <Kilos> on 12.04
[11:39] <Kilos> maybe someone else has had same prob and been helped
[11:40] <mazal> I don't think it's an Ubuntu issue. Both of them is lice cd's you boot with. Ubuntu not even started whn you use it
[11:40] <Kilos> ah
[11:40] <mazal> live even
[11:40] <Kilos> lol
[11:40] <Kilos> you dvd is faulty
[11:41] <Kilos> try making a live usb stick
[11:41] <mazal> It works fine in Ubuntu. I burned dvd's with it , and read some other disks without an issue
[11:41] <Kilos> ah
[11:42] <mazal> And clonezilla start up fine , so the dvd is ok. But when it actually starts the image it just says "an error occured"
[11:42] <mazal> Redo just hangs halfway booting
[11:42] <Kilos> ai
[11:42] <mazal> Must be hardware related
[11:42] <mazal> But I don't know what
[11:42] <mazal> Both the source hdd and target hdd works fine in ubuntu during normal use
[11:43] <Kilos> doesnt it give the option to report the prob
[11:43] <mazal> If either of those were faulty I would have issues in normal use as well.
[11:44] <mazal> I think I will have to a. look at these apps support forum or b. send them a message
[11:44] <Kilos> yeah maybe they know about the issue
[11:44] <mazal> The only thing left that it can be is the m/board
[11:45] <mazal> Maybe neither is compatible
[11:48] <Kilos> something in bios settings?
[11:48] <Kilos> what you mean mb
[11:50] <Kilos> or the way you got dvd connected
[11:52] <mazal> No I just mean that the software might not be compatible with my model m/board
[11:53] <mazal> Or maybe the dvd-rom doesn't like the type of disks
[11:53] <mazal> So many little things it can be
[11:53] <mazal> Things I'm gonna try a different make disc
[11:54] <Kilos> interesting to work out what though
[11:55] <Kilos> i actually battled to install 12.04 from my dvd here and brought a cdrom and went fine
[11:55] <Kilos> tried 2 dvdrom
[11:55] <Kilos> thats why i got kde onna stick
[11:56] <Kilos> why not make an iso of the dvd and put onna stick
[11:56] <mazal> Good idea !! Never thought about that test
[11:56] <Kilos> there must be a way around
[11:57] <mazal> Ok I'm gonna test both , try a different make disc and also the usb boot
[12:19] <mazal> This thing is just out to irritate me
[12:20] <mazal> Now it keeps mounting my stick as read-only , so I can't transfer the iso to it
[12:22] <Kilos> lol
[12:22] <Kilos> chown the stick
[12:22] <Kilos> you like me. as jy kan sukkel , sal jy
[12:22] <Kilos> hehe
[12:23] <mazal> Ubuntu refuse to do the chown or chmod
[12:25] <mazal> It completes the command without error , but the disk stays read-only and the permissions don't change **sug**
[12:25] <Kilos> whats on the disc
[12:26] <mazal> nothing
[12:26] <Kilos> path?
[12:26] <Kilos> sudo chown mazal:mazal path to stick
[12:27] <Kilos> how can the stick be the boss
[12:27] <bakuman> Kilos, if something is mounted as read-only, you cannot just chown
[12:28] <mazal> Formatted it
[12:28] <mazal> Even tried deleting the partition and creating a new one
[12:28] <mazal> It stays read only
[12:28] <Kilos> how you get around the prob then bakuman
[12:28] <bakuman> hmm... mount if commandline as rw?
[12:29] <mazal> Nevermind , I quickly did it on my Windows pc
[12:30] <Kilos> lol
[12:30] <mazal> At least there everything works
[12:30] <Kilos> yo mixnovich
[12:30] <Kilos> eeeeew
[12:30] <mixnovich> yo Kilos
[12:30] <mazal> Now when I boot with the stick I just get "boot error"
[12:30] <mazal> So there goes that plan anyway
[12:30] <mazal> USB doesn't work with redo
[12:31] <Kilos> must work
[12:32] <Kilos> you didnt get stick setup properly
[12:32] <Kilos> use startup disk creator and check again
[12:33] <mazal> Yeg I'm getting really irritated with all still struggling the past week
[12:33] <mazal> Can't , Ubuntu refuse to use the disk'
[12:34] <Kilos> oh my
[12:34] <mazal> Read only in ubuntu mos
[12:34] <mazal> Sjoe I have to go , very bad weather here
[12:34] <mazal> Big thunderstorm
[12:35] <Kilos> what about the little switch on the stick
[12:35] <Kilos> just went past here
[12:35] <mazal> There's no switch
[12:35] <Kilos> 10 drops rain
[12:35] <mazal> Bye oom Kilo's , bye all , see you again
[12:35] <Kilos> toods lad
[12:44] <Kilos> bakuman, how can the stick decide whose the boss
[12:45] <bakuman> the person who mounts it? i dont know O_O
[12:46] <Kilos> hehe
[13:30] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:31] <bakuman> hi
[13:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:35] <magespawn> whats up peeps?
[13:36] <Kilos> temps
[13:36] <Kilos> summer has arrived
[13:36] <Kilos> whats up by you?
[13:41] <magespawn> not much fighting trying to get internet cafe software to run properly
[13:42] <Kilos> ai
[13:42] <magespawn> had a bit of rain, so has cooled down a bit
[13:45] <Kilos> what kinda software magespawn
[13:46] <magespawn> was trying mkahawa
[13:47] <Kilos> what must the software do?
[13:49] <Kilos> wb Kerbero
[14:02] <Kilos> magespawn, this kinda stuff
[14:03] <Kilos> http://ptf.com/internet/internet+cafe+timer+ubuntu/
[14:04] <magespawn> let me see
[14:05] <Kilos> oh maaz found more
[14:05] <Kilos> http://www.filebuzz.com/findsoftware/Linux_Ubuntu_Cyber_Cafe_Debian_Files/1.html
[14:06] <Kilos> what must it do time the peeps or what
[14:08] <Kilos> or swear at them when they make mistakes
[14:09] <Kilos> or do naughty things
[14:11] <magespawn> yup and control the session and printing etc, there is also zencafe
[14:13] <Kilos> sjoe you got your work cut out for you
[14:19] <mazal> Oom Kilos I have some quick feedback
[14:19] <Kilos> tell mazal
[14:19] <mazal> Ubuntu startup disc creator doesn't work
[14:20] <mazal> It only excepts "certain" iso's
[14:20] <Kilos> does it say why?
[14:20] <mazal> That's the way they build it I guess
[14:20] <Kilos> did you use ubuntu to make the iso
[14:20] <mazal> So , back at home , on a different pc and different stick I tried unetbootin again
[14:21] <Kilos> ok
[14:21] <mazal> This time it was successful
[14:21] <Kilos> whew
[14:21] <mazal> This is the redo iso btw
[14:21] <mazal> BUT
[14:21] <mazal> Redo boots up from the usb now , but it doesn't even see my internal HDD
[14:21] <mazal> Not even when I go into gparted in Redo
[14:21] <Kilos> oh my
[14:21] <mazal> It only see the stick
[14:21] <Kilos> sata?
[14:22] <mazal> yep
[14:22] <mazal> So
[14:22] <Kilos> eish they terrible things
[14:22] <mazal> I decided to try and boot parted magic
[14:22] <Kilos> ok
[14:22] <mazal> Just for kicks to see what it can see
[14:22] <mazal> Parted magic boots up fine
[14:22] <mazal> And it sees my drive
[14:23] <mazal> I can browse it and all
[14:23] <mazal> So while stumbling about in pm's menus I saw it has clonezilla built-in
[14:23] <Kilos> aha
[14:23] <mazal> So naturaly I ran it to see what is going to happen
[14:24] <Kilos> lol
[14:24] <mazal> It ran without a problem
[14:24] <mazal> So
[14:24] <Kilos> great
[14:24] <mazal> I am convinced that both Redo and CloneZilla's live cd's can not communicate correctly with my m/boards sata interface
[14:24] <mazal> I think that is where the problem is
[14:25] <mazal> I dunno if it is the specific kernel those two use or what , but they just don't see my drive
[14:25] <Kilos> crazy hey
[14:25] <mazal> Strange thing though , the parted magic that does see my drive is an old one of Feb
[14:25] <Kilos> but now you did your imaging thing?
[14:25] <mazal> So how does that make sense , much older kernel , but it sees the drive
[14:25] <mazal> Either way it is defnitely a software issue
[14:26] <mazal> Between my sata controller and the OS it seems
[14:26] <Kilos> where did you get the redo cd
[14:26] <mazal> Downloaded from the net
[14:26] <mazal> Excellent image app
[14:26] <mazal> Apart from the fact that it doesn't work with my new pc that is :P
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <mazal> It's a much much more straight forward version of clonezilla if I can put it that way
[14:27] <Kilos> is redo the new thing that they made recently
[14:27] <mazal> Fats and easy
[14:27] <mazal> Fast even
[14:27] <Kilos> to take the place of remastersys
[14:27] <mazal> Nope
[14:27] <mazal> It's different , it makes a clone , remastersys makes an iso
[14:28] <mazal> They are quite different
[14:28] <Kilos> but why does it work on one pc and not the new one
[14:28] <Kilos> you missing something somewhere
[14:28] <mazal> Software , littered with bugs.
[14:28] <mazal> This is how things are with software
[14:29] <mazal> For now I will have to go the long route via parted magic and image from there
[14:29] <mazal> And once a new version of Redo comes out test that
[14:30] <Kilos> you sure it wasnt your download that wasnt 100%
[14:30] <mazal> Nope , same iso have been used on lots of other pc's
[14:30] <Kilos> ai
[14:30] <mazal> Ot work who use it to load images on almost 200 pc's already
[14:30] <Kilos> wow
[14:31] <mazal> Yeah , you do a pc's software in like 20min from nothing.
[14:31] <mazal> And this is Windoooze
[14:31] <mazal> What would usually take 2 days
[14:31] <Kilos> eeeek
[14:31] <mazal> Cos all of them are same models and same software
[14:31] <mazal> So we image them all
[14:31] <mazal> Then just activate and correct the ip and pc name and your done
[14:32] <Kilos> thats why you battling with ubuntu
[14:32] <Kilos> your mind is corrupted
[14:32] <mazal> No , all of the cd's are linux software
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <mazal> So it's actually linux making work easier in the ms environment
[14:33] <Kilos> ya but 200 winsucks pcs around you
[14:33] <mazal> At work I have to work on ms , have no choice
[14:33] <mazal> LOL , ya it's terrible I tell ya
[14:33] <Kilos> maybe in the future
[14:33] <mazal> And that is just at one site
[14:33] <Kilos> ouch
[14:33] <mazal> The other one has 75 more of them
[14:33] <Kilos> all in cullinan
[14:34] <mazal> Yep
[14:34] <mazal> Our department actually have a huge network countrywide
[14:34] <Kilos> whewdidnt even know you peeps were past the oxwagon stage yet
[14:34] <mazal> We are small
[14:34] <mazal> Some of our sites have 400+ pc's
[14:34] <Kilos> wow
[14:35] <mazal> And we are not even in town lol
[14:35] <mazal> We are a farm prison just outside of Cullinan
[14:35] <Kilos> thats why no mining gets done , everyone playing on pc all day
[14:36] <mazal> In town we have another "house" with 12 of the ms things
[14:36] <Kilos> you have my sympathy
[14:36] <mazal> Worst part is the users
[14:37] <mazal> But I will leave that right there before I get into trouble :)
[14:37] <Kilos> lol
[14:37] <mazal> Ok oom Kilos ek moet gaan , het selgroep vanaand. Wou net gou kom terugvoer gee
[14:38] <Kilos> but im glad you found a way to make your images
[14:38] <Kilos> mooi loop seun
[14:38] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[14:38] <mazal> God bless
[14:38] <Kilos> you too ty
[14:55] <magespawn> Kilos you can also install liniux to a flash drive, not just as a live cd but a full install
[14:56] <Kilos> yip magespawn will do that when i get a big one sometime
[14:56] <Symmetria> heh
[14:56] <Symmetria> here is a laugh for you guys
[14:57] <Symmetria> a particular international provider calls me
[14:57] <Symmetria> and says to me "Here is our network, here are our processes, here is our infrastructure, and here are the SLA's we want to offer, what percentage do we add to the price to cover breaches"
[14:58] <magespawn> most of that software only runs on windows and is closed
[15:01] <Kilos> whats their plan Symmetria ? why they asking you?
[15:01] <Kilos> competition?
[15:04] <Symmetria> heh kilos basically the ISPs budget to violate the SLA's they offer
[15:04] <Kilos> lol forewarned is forearmed
[15:04] <Symmetria> meaning the SLA's are worthless
[15:05] <Symmetria> its like insurance, they budget how many people are going to crash their cars
[15:05] <Symmetria> and adjust the premiums based on that
[15:05] <Kilos> they dont have much faith in their networks
[15:05] <Symmetria> heh some ISP's even insure against SLA's breaches
[15:07] <Kilos> breaches meaning?
[15:07] <Kilos> hacks, cracks virii etc?
[15:07] <Symmetria> downtime
[15:08] <Symmetria> basically, if you buy internet service on a commercial basis
[15:08] <Symmetria> and it stops working
[15:08] <Symmetria> and they dont fix it in X time
[15:08] <Symmetria> they pay penalties
[15:08] <Kilos> ah
[15:08] <Symmetria> but they budget for the fact that they wont fix it in X time
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <Symmetria> and charge you before hand what they are going to have to pay out
[15:10] <Symmetria> it basically means, if an ISP says they gonna be up 99.9 percent of the time
[15:11] <Symmetria> bargain on the fact that they have actually budgetted to only be up 99.7% of the time
[15:11] <Symmetria> and charged you for the penalties they are going to have to pay back to you
[15:13] <Kilos> they might have to pay back if they crash?
[15:13] <Kilos> so no crash they score
[15:14] <Symmetria> basically, yes, no downtime they score
[15:14] <Symmetria> but in reality, even with downtime they score
[15:14] <Symmetria> because they budgetted how much they would have to pay back to you and charged you for it already
[15:15] <Symmetria> and then probably insured against it as well
[15:15] <Symmetria> so not only are you being charged for them failing to meet their targets, but they are insuring against not meeting it as well and getting money outta the insurers for it
[15:15] <Symmetria> :p
[15:15] <Kilos> eish evil swines
[15:17] <Symmetria> *shrug* hey, if they wanna do it, they gonna do it whatever, and if I can charge them to do the analysis work, I aint complaining :p
[15:17] <Symmetria> and trust me, because of the nature of the work, the charges to get an analysis like that done... are not small
[15:23] <Kilos> yeah get some of what they stealing back from them
[15:24] <Kilos> invest it in starting up as an opposition isp
[15:24] <Symmetria> *shrug* an analysis like that can take 2 to 3 weks
[15:24] <Symmetria> and typical billing for that type of work runs 20 to 40 thousand dollars a week
[15:24] <Kilos> whew
[15:24] <Symmetria> you're looking at between 500 and a thousand dollars an hour
[15:31] <Vince-0> and voice?
[15:33] <Symmetria> vince *shrug* voice networks, you can probably do voice style stuff at 150 - 200 dollars an hour
[15:33] <Symmetria> if you know your stuff and can prove experience
[15:33] <Symmetria> its reasonable money
[15:48] <Vince-0> *chime
[15:49] <Vince-0> watching obama's victory speech - he's good
[15:50] <magespawn> i am out of here, good night all
[15:52] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[17:23] <Kilos> evening cocooncrash nearly lunchtime there?
[17:23] <Kilos> hows things by the yanks
[17:23] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Nope, only 09h23
[17:24] <cocooncrash> Big election fever, hopefully going to die down now
[17:24] <Kilos> ya its over
[17:25] <Kilos> have you immigrated cocooncrash
[17:26] <Kilos> ?
[17:26] <Kilos> or coming back again
[17:26] <Kilos> at least you still on irc
[17:27] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Nah, I'll be coming back
[17:27] <Kilos> yay
[17:27] <Kilos> hi koiosify
[17:28] <Kilos> hi psydroid wassup
[17:31] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:31] <psydroid> I'm doing fine, thanks
[17:31] <psydroid> how are you doing?
[17:32] <Kilos> good ty you been quiet
[17:33] <psydroid> yeah
[17:33] <psydroid> sometimes I just can't connect
[17:33] <Kilos> eish
[17:33] <Kilos> the webs been a bit sick
[17:48] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[18:06] <Kilos> naand tannie magtie
[18:06] <Kilos> gaan dit goed met u
[18:11] <magtie> Hi Kilos
[18:12] <magtie> Dit gaan baie goed dankie
[18:12] <Kilos> mooi
[18:13] <Kilos> 12 days time is our monthly meeting peeps. plan ahead so there are no excuses
[18:13] <Kilos> only tonberry who goes beering
[18:18] <Kilos> um Kerbero
[18:18] <Kilos> are you here
[18:18] <Kilos> maybe superfly if you got 2 mins
[18:29] <Kilos> or anyone with brains will do i spose
[18:29] <Kilos> i run - sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>  on pc 2 and it can share 3g
[18:30] <Kilos> once switched off pc2 forgets it and must run the command again
[18:30] <Kilos> but tinycore remembers it
[18:30] <Kilos> wassup maverick?
[18:34] <charlvn> good evening all
[18:34] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[18:34] <charlvn> hi Kilos :)
[18:35] <Kilos> answer my question then everyone else can rest
[18:37] <charlvn> reading...
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <charlvn> what you say is correct there
[18:38] <charlvn> if you manipulate the routing table, that only gets stored in memory
[18:38] <charlvn> if you reboot it gets reset
[18:38] <Kilos> ya but why must i do it after every reboot of pc2
[18:38] <charlvn> tinycore - what's that?
[18:38] <Kilos> tinycorelinux
[18:39] <charlvn> ah i see
[18:39] <charlvn> ok what it probably does is it dumps it to some file and reloads it on reboot
[18:39] <charlvn> but that must be something specific to tinycore
[18:39] <charlvn> i don't have much experience with it
[18:39] <Kilos> must i run it from root itself
[18:39] <charlvn> no it makes no difference if you run it directly as root or as sudo
[18:40] <Kilos> oh
[18:40] <charlvn> what you could do is you could add it as a line to /etc/rc.local
[18:40] <charlvn> i don't know if that is the "proper" way of doing it though
[18:40] <Kilos> ok i will write down and stick it on pc2 ty charlvn
[18:40] <charlvn> np
[19:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:11] <inetpro> good evening
[20:33] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos see: Debian / Ubuntu Linux Setting a Default Gateway http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-debian-ubutnu-set-default-gateway-ipaddress/
[20:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:36] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos Jammer, I was out at Bible study
[20:36] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:52] <inetpro> hi superfly
[20:52] <superfly> hi inetpro


 it isn't stable enough for regular use as far as I can tell
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/lilr0qU4.png
 Audacity works but is buggy as well
 but deffinite
 hmhm
 @Fuseteam [hmm was planning to use it with a yamaha psr-E333], how would you get midi in and out of your phone?
 usb otg
 @Fuseteam [usb otg], have you tested that this works yet?
 the kernel detects its presence
 that's all I know
 @Fuseteam [the kernel detects its presence], so it sees the midi stream?  is there a command line app that you could use?
 no idea still exploring
 i only know it sees the keyboard
 @Fuseteam [usb otg], Or Bluetooth
 I don't think this one has bluetooth
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Y0BRcLsA.png
 wheeee
 Ok
[02:41] <hallyn> so, the ubports-installer is telling me at the same time "waiting for device to enter recovery mode" and underneath, in much smaller font, "Flashing recovery and boot images" . Does that mean it's copying data, or in fact stil lwaiting on the recover mode?
[02:41] <hallyn> my kingdom for a logfile
[02:42] <hallyn> haha, took longer than i expected, but confirmed it was not copying anything yet.
[03:20] <hallyn> all right ,any way to have swype on the keyboard, i wonder?
[03:28] <hallyn> ruh roh - phone is hung
 porting or flashing?
 ohw wait 'installer'
 sounds like a job for the install room
[03:48] <hallyn> third time was a charm, it did get installed (yay)
 @hallyn [all right ,any way to have swype on the keyboard, i wonder?], No. No swipe stuff for osk for now
[03:54] <hallyn> that's too bad :(
[03:54] <hallyn> my other q - what do you use for email on this thing?
[03:55] <hallyn> evolution?  thunderbird? something else?
 dekko is the only one so far
[03:59] <hallyn> ok thx will try it.  I saw a "dekko 2", but it only told me it ws the new dekko, not what it did :)
[04:00] <hallyn> note that a search in the app tool for 'email' did not bring up dekko.  not sure if that's easy to make more discoverable...
[04:02] <hallyn> huh, actually i'm not finding dekko at all.
 Ho, anyone else having problems with adb after upgrading to Disco?
 Hi
 @hallyn [my other q - what do you use for email on this thing?], Dekko 2 is the main (and currently best) option.  Otherwise there are webapps for things like Tutanota, Proton and Gmail.
 @hallyn [huh, actually i'm not finding dekko at all.], it's in the Open Store at https://open-store.io/app/dekko2.dekkoproject
[04:38] <hallyn> ok, the description for dekko2 still said to not use it, to use dekko :)
[04:38] <hallyn> dekko2 - i see (and see open bugs for) no way to refresh mail?
 @hallyn [ok, the description for dekko2 still said to not use it, to use dekko :)], that message is out of date
 @hallyn [dekko2 - i see (and see open bugs for) no way to refresh mail?], hold on messages and swipe downwards
[04:59] <hallyn> hm, not seeing that.
[05:06] <hallyn> mind you no mails have downloaded at all.  dovecot does show login successful, the folder list is accurate, and i was able to send an email...   weird
[05:06] <hallyn> anyway will try again tomorrow.  thanks
 @hallyn [mind you no mails have downloaded at all.  dovecot does show login successful, t …], It's important to have the account settings for the incoming and outgoing servers set correctly - e.g. I was not able to have my outgoing mail send properly until I changed from default of "plain" to "login"  for the authetication.
 A question for florian and the admins. I think that you are working principally in halium, because it's preferible to resolve these big question than resolve a lot of little bugs (zoom camera in opo, avi videos in n5, etc)
 I agree
 But when do you think that it will be a working halium environment?
 I think that the big problem is halium. Then libertine, anbox and the little bugs. But do you think?
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 Heej did ubports still needed professionally illustrated yumi characters? I can schedule some illustrations soon.
 @Visionalmind [Heej did ubports still needed professionally illustrated yumi characters? I can …], Try to coordinate yxourself here: https://forums.ubports.com/category/45/marketing-incubator
 Thanks
 Hi together, short question: Has anyone ever tried to make FM radio available on the currently supported devices? FP2, Bq E4.5, Bq E5 and also the Sony Xperia X seem to have the necessary hardware. About the nexus phones I could not find a clear answer yet. I see that some people claim that the hardware is on board...
 @Hendrik [Hi together, short question: Has anyone ever tried to make FM radio available on …], It might need libhybris functions for that. And no, I dont think that was tried so far.
 I havent heard of anyone trying it, based on wgat ive read its a kernel config as well as if the hardware is wired for it.  Easiest way to find out if the hardware works is try it on android, not sure about kernel config
 [Edit] I havent heard of anyone trying it, based on what ive read its a kernel config as well as if the hardware is wired for it.  Easiest way to find out if the hardware works is try it on android, not sure about kernel config
 Okay, thanks. Sounds like an interesting project !
 I will be trying it on my galaxy note 4 as that has FM Radio, but its low priority for my ROM atm
[09:18] <ubptgbot> Lajov was added by: Lajov
 @Tygerpro [I will be trying it on my galaxy note 4 as that has FM Radio, but its low priori …], Did you know most Samsung phones have fmradio but Samsung disables it in kernel on most variant s
 Hi all, pleased to discover "telegram", this group... and the "ubuntu touch/Ub port", the name for the moment... sorry for my english. Is here the good place to ask for a question of compatibility ? I have got an old android tablet (google nexus 10 16Gb) ? does it works ? on google it seem some people try it, but what about the current vers
[09:28] <ubptgbot> ion ? nexus 10 isn't in the available devices list on ubports.com .
 Couldn't find a Halium port for it, you will have to port it yourself
 @J0SH1X [Did you know most Samsung phones have fmradio but Samsung disables it in kernel …], They do? I have had a lot of samsung devices, they all had working fm radio
 @Tygerpro [They do? I have had a lot of samsung devices, they all had working fm radio], where are you located
 ?
 U.S.A.
 its enabled in us
 and not in europe
 @Lajov [Hi all, pleased to discover "telegram", this group... and the "ubuntu touch/Ub p …], Nexus 10 was a supported device at one time, however it is no longer supported, you can certainly re-port it if you'd like, but I wouldnt cause it will be a slug compared to other devices
 Hmm ... thats interesting, I know there was a petition in the US awhile back to have fm radio enabled on all devices, i wonder if that was just US and not global
 How does that work? You can’t just ‘switch it back on’ if the hardware just isn’t there?
 Besides radio stations have been moving to digital radio (DAB+ ?) for a while now. Re enabling a dying medium makes little sense
 @Tygerpro [Nexus 10 was a supported device at one time, however it is no longer supported, …], thank you, so my nexus 10 will stay with is old android system ;) - enough powerful to read comics and to watch netflix.
 FM is done with the bluetooth chip, hardware enabled is basically if a wire is soldered to the pins for it.  Digital FM piggybacks off analog, i wish tv worked the same way
 @Hendrik [Hi together, short question: Has anyone ever tried to make FM radio available on …], IIRC, someone tried it before....way back Canonical days..I think his name is Roman? … unfortunately it wasn't successful because I think FM radio is implemented differently on each device and might need help from the manufacturer
 if the mailing list is still available online, you can try to check it from there
 OMG, I feel old, I've been in the UT community for 7 years! 😂
 @Tygerpro [FM is done with the bluetooth chip, hardware enabled is basically if a wire is s …], Ok, learned something. But remote soldering isn’t a thing yet, so it would only help new devices. Which makes it a global decision to be made by manufacturers.
 Which also means It will not affect UT for a long time
 Well all my devices (except my Rpi's) have a working fm radio, even my old feature phones that have bluetooth, I didnt know it wasnt global though, FM is still widely used in US with analog, digital takes over if its a strong enough signal
 The only caveat ive come across in regards to FM is that most custom ROMs dont seem to have it enabled (at least the ones I tried)
 If lineage doesn’t have it, it wont help to get it into Halium/UT
 The fairphone 3 is available for preorder. Is it going to be supported?
 @Tygerpro [Hmm ... thats interesting, I know there was a petition in the US awhile back to …], on other brands (not sammy) its enabled here in europe
 on my lg g7 i have fmradio on stock rom and lineageos
 my sony z1 also has it
 but my s6 for example doesnt
 but s6 sprint does for sure
 Weird, i tried LOS and it couldnt detect a fm radio, but if it works in factory but not LOS it likely is just a kernel config
 @Tygerpro [Hmm ... thats interesting, I know there was a petition in the US awhile back to …], Do you mean this one? https://freeradioonmyphone.org/
 That looks like it
 @dikelito [The fairphone 3 is available for preorder. Is it going to be supported?], i certainly hope so. Fairphone's philosophy meshes quite well with running an open source secure OS on it :-) it is a completely new device though, and porting to a device currently involves having a suitable version of lineage os for it. the android v
[10:32] <ubptgbot> ersion on it, even if it is Fairphone's Open version, will likely be too new for now
 If someone has the means to buy one, potentially brick it, and port it, then it will eventually be supported
 please someone prove me wrong 🙏
 @Javacookies [OMG, I feel old, I've been in the UT community for 7 years! 😂], ohhhh
 fairphone should mainline their drivers :p
 probably not up to them tho
 @Fuseteam [fairphone should mainline their drivers :p], Well, first, they are not their drivers 😆
 @dikelito [The fairphone 3 is available for preorder. Is it going to be supported?], Nobody told us in time, so the answer is: We dont know
 But as its Adnroid 9, it needs to wait like all other Halium ports for the compatibility to be there
 @Flohack would you mind checking out my kernel log , if i use ut as rootfs my kernel crashes
 reference fs and plasma work tho
 @J0SH1X [@Flohack would you mind checking out my kernel log , if i use ut as rootfs my ke …], Send pastebin plz
 okay
 @Flohack [Send pastebin plz], https://pastebin.com/kUSBBz2Q
 @J0SH1X [okay], Can we move to Halium group, this is not the right place ^^
 okay
[11:44] <ubptgbot> <Артём Деренговский> If someone needs to expand the system from 2GB to 6GB.  Reboot the device and rejoice.
 @Артём Деренговский [If someone needs to expand the system from 2GB to 6GB. Go to recovery mode UBpor …], Nobody needs to do this, and it is not supported, and can be overwritten with updates
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 is ubuntu touch for the nexus 7 only for the 2013 version or will it work on the 2012 version as well?
 2013 only.
 ah okay
[14:14] <hallyn> On Dekko: So after about an hour, emails suddenly showed up (I hope it doesn't insist on reading *all* the headers for all emails in all my folders, because the lkml folder is unwieldy).  But now when I try to read most emails, it crashes.  Tried to run dekko from the terminal to see if I could see a crash dump, but I guess it's not a binary called dekko?
 Apps are started in a specific way by Upstart, you'll find their logs in `.cache/upstart/`
 In your home folder
[14:20] <hallyn> cool thanks
[14:21] <hallyn> dekko *does* look really nice, if i can get it to not crash, it may be my favorite mobile mail app :)
 @dikelito [The fairphone 3 is available for preorder. Is it going to be supported?], Well they made a Poll about which OS should be supported and UBports won the poll but It doesn't looks like it will be supported for now..............
 It's still a little early days and its authors always appreciate some help
 But it takes beauty in stride, no doubt
 @Flohack [Well, first, they are not their drivers 😆], xD
 https://forum.fairphone.com/t/poll-what-os-es-do-you-want-to-run-on-your-next-fairphone-fp3-or-later/44519
 second place....
 anyways..
 @Ingo_FP_Angel  Do you know anything that might be important for UBports related to the FP3?
 @Flohack [Well, first, they are not their drivers 😆], [Edit] read the message below that xD
[14:27] <hallyn> ohey - is there a url to a cheatsheet for things like "which snap provides the source for the on screen keyboard" (equiv of 'p=$(dpkg -S `which osk`); apt-cache show $p; pull-lp-source' etc?)
[14:27] <hallyn> 'ubports for ubuntu developers' mayhaps
 do you mean docs?
 docs.ubports.com perhaps?
 @hallyn [ohey - is there a url to a cheatsheet for things like "which snap provides the s …], we don't use snaps. rootfs is built from debs, with a few default apps being clicks.
 @Fuseteam [do you mean docs?], i don't think it lists what repos provide the source for various components though
[14:32] <hallyn> sorry yeah i meant "which click package"
[14:32] <hallyn> i'll snoop around those docs, thanks
[14:32] <hallyn> (not i the next few hours unfort :)
 @hallyn [sorry yeah i meant "which click package"], system components are debs; in case of osk, the deb is `ubuntu-keyboard` and the source repo is https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component
 for pre-installed apps, they should all e under https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps
 for the ones that are clicks anyway
 dialer/messaging/settings are on github, and openstore is https://gitlab.com/theopenstore/openstore-app
 @dohbee [i don't think it lists what repos provide the source for various components thou …], ah true
 @dohbee [i don't think it lists what repos provide the source for various components thou …], [Edit] most of the links you just shared are iirc
 @malditobastardo [@Ingo_FP_Angel  Do you know anything that might be important for UBports related …], It comes with Android 9 (Pie). As far as I understood, halium can't cope with that yet. … The FP3 will have an unlockable bootloader. … Unfortunately I don't know yet, if they'll provide a Fairphone Open OS incl. Sources right from
[14:42] <ubptgbot>  the start.
[14:52] <hallyn> @dohbee - thanks!
 Hi guys,
 Hi guys, … My Nexus 5 disapeared from my work place.I need a new phone. Can you, please, confirm that this one is compatible? And, if so,how does it compare to N5? Thanks. … https://www.ebay.com/itm/254339532253?ul_noapp=true
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 [Edit] Hi guys, … My Nexus 5 disapeared from my work place.I need a new phone. Could you, please, confirm that this one is compatible? And, if so,how does it compare to N5? Thanks. … https://www.ebay.com/itm/254339532253?ul_noapp=true
 @giovanniiannotti [Hi guys, … My Nexus 5 disapeared from my work place.I need a new phone. Could you, …], One difference you'll notice: the OPO is quite a bit bigger.  I didn't like the fit in my hand as much as the N5.
 @imraniqbal [One difference you'll notice: the OPO is quite a bit bigger.  I didn't like the …], Thanks, myii. But do you confirm it the  compatible OPO? In ubports website, it says "bacon", not sure what it means.
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 @giovanniiannotti [Thanks, myii. But do you confirm it the  compatible OPO? In ubports website, it …], Bacon is just the nickname for the opo, every OnePlus one should work perfectly with Ubuntu touch. … Idk how it compares to the 5, but if you want a device that preforms better, then we have newer phones being ported, and new r
[15:50] <ubptgbot> eleases of phones like the pinephone.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Bacon is just the nickname for the opo, every OnePlus one should work perfectly …], Thanks, Phoenix. Are these new phones immediatly available?
 Unfortunately not yet, I'm not sure when they'll be available. … The op3 port is coming along very well tho, and the pinephone is getting a good amount of attention, they should all be available before Christmas, but we'll have to see. … However, if you need something now, the opo is a great option.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Unfortunately not yet, I'm not sure when they'll be available. … The op3 port is …], Excellent! Thank you very much.
 You're very welcome!
 @giovanniiannotti [Excellent! Thank you very much.], Yes OPO works really well though there is no working zoom on the camera. Other than that I prefer it to the 5.
 @Lakotaubp [Yes OPO works really well though there is no working zoom on the camera. Other t …], Thank you, Nigel, for your feedback. I don't think zooming is something I would care about. If it is reliable, it is good enough.
 @giovanniiannotti [Thank you, Nigel, for your feedback. I don't think zooming is something I would …], Go for it
 @malditobastardo [Go for it], 👍🏻
[17:02] <hallyn> hm, call came in, screen froze, could not answre.
 @giovanniiannotti [Thanks, myii. But do you confirm it the  compatible OPO? In ubports website, it …], the OnePlus One works excellently with UT - it was my daily driver for many months  (I am on a Meizu Pro 5 now).  It's advantages over the Nexus 5 are faster cpu, more RAM, more storage (if you get the 64gb version), larger display, b
[17:07] <ubptgbot> etter battery life, better video playback, and ability to send to an external display via wifi.  It's disadvantages are that the flash and zoom are currently not working for the camera.
 First result in google for the search "android alternative". What a bad image of ubuntu touch https://itsfoss.com/open-source-alternatives-android/
 (Photo, 799x450) https://irc.ubports.com/eclH6jq9.png
 Do we need to say something? The article was published on August 19, 2019
 @guyluz [Do we need to say something? The article was published on August 19, 2019], They really need to change the screenshot!!!
 Gotta send them the better ones then
 If there is no desired order of OS in that article, he could place UT at the first position, couldn't he? 😉
 what the heck is that image even from?
 @Flohack [They really need to change the screenshot!!!], that's not a screenshot for sure. it looks like some crappy feature phone theme
 and a mock-up for one at that
 True, or does any phone with UT have got those green and red buttons at the bottom?
 @Danfro [True, or does any phone with UT have got those green and red buttons at the bott …], no, no UT phones have soft buttons like feature phones
 Yep, that was my knowledge too.
 with that size looks like a ubports-pod 😆 It could play music?
[17:50] <ubptgbot> Melk_Lima was added by: Melk_Lima
 @Danfro [If there is no desired order of OS in that article, he could place UT at the fir …], 😂 good suggestion
 the author should be really questioned about that image, should always make sure images represent correct data, not just the words
 Eh, just help a bro out by giving them some better imagery
 @UniversalSuperBox [Eh, just help a bro out by giving them some better imagery], On it, commented and suggested artwork upgrade
 Thanks
 Great to see pure maps in the store. Nice nav appeared!!!
 [Edit] Great to see pure maps in the store. Nice nav app!!
 @dynasty17 [Great to see pure maps in the store. Nice nav app!!], But it your GPS working yet...?!
 It is working now on Fairphone2. I reinstalled android on nexus 5 so I will wait to check. I will stick with fairphone for now!!!
 OTA10 fixed it. I imagine aGPS in next update will make it really efficient.
 OTA11 will not bring more advanced agps to the image, btw
 hmm, someone should update the screenshots I think
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch
 well, it shoul dporbably not say "Final Release"
 @dohbee [well, it shoul dporbably not say "Final Release"], I second this :p
 [Edit] well, it should porbably not say "Final Release"
 [Edit] well, it should probably not say "Final Release"
 The people working on the project aren't supposed to edit the Wikipedia page, so we'd appreciate if you did so
 @dohbee [well, it should probably not say "Final Release"], hmm, what could be a good name?
 Current Release?
 Yeah, final release implies dead
 yeah
 Any good images I could use?
 @dynasty17 [OTA10 fixed it. I imagine aGPS in next update will make it really efficient.], Fixed the N5 or the FP2?
 Hmm, how can I edit it so that it does not say Final Release?
 ```| latest_release_version = 16.04 OTA-9 … | latest_release_date    = {{Release date|2019|5|8|df=yes}}<ref>{{cite web|title=Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Release|url=https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-release-225|website=UBports Blog|date=8 May 2019|accessdate=14 May 2019}}</ref>```
 I'm not sure. It might be something further in the table.
 Can't find anything
 well if there's a variable called `latest_release_version` then it should probably be `Latest Release` in the sidebar
 @hacker12455 [Any good images I could use?], maybe starting from https://ubports.com/devices/promoted-devices you could find some i guess
 The weird thing is that the same variable on the Windows wiki page says Latest release
 I'm trying to find some originals for the files on the website and elsewhere
 No dice
 Wait, here it is!
 Can't seem to fix the release thing
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/BMO8TfM5.png
 Yep, that looks good.
 Since it's from the website, it's all CC-BY-SA 4.0
 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/
 @UniversalSuperBox [<reply to media>], Rip scope on the screen shots
 Well if you've got some new ones you'd like to share, they also work
 Can I upload it to Wikimedia Commons and use it normally in the English Wikipedia?
 I think that's how that works, I've never used Wikipedia
 What should I put in the Author and Source?
 The author appears to be in the EXIF data for the image, "Jolien Holthuis"
 Source?
 Does it want a URL?
 It can be a URL
 It accepts any text
 Well I kinda just gave it to you, but we can assume it was posted at ubports.com at some point in the past or present
 So put in ubports.com?
 Sure
 alright
 When was it made or published?
 Btw, is that description good?
 (Photo, 924x691) https://irc.ubports.com/JLo6oLqn.png
 24 Jan 2018
 All the same information for this image
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JQIu8Px0.png
 Whichever you prefer for your edit
 @hacker12455 [<reply to media>], Sure?
 Hmm, change the Apps scope text to something else?
 Or keep it as is?
 ?
 "A [[Fairphone 2]] smartphone running Ubuntu Touch displaying the Apps scope"
 Sure
 So keeping as it is
 Any replacements for this image?
 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Ubuntu-smartphone.png/220px-Ubuntu-smartphone.png
 Would you take another Fairphone 2?
 Sure
 Well I have just the thing
 The old images were both the Nexus so...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/7eq2S4K3.png
 Uses the 15.04 wallpaper, but oh well the design didn't change
 Keep the Welcome screen name?
 "Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview 13.04 on a Galaxy Nexus, showing the Welcome screen:
 It's the lockscreen, I'd call the wizard the welcome screen
 [Edit] "Ubuntu Touch Developer Preview 13.04 on a Galaxy Nexus, showing the Welcome screen"
 yeah
 @dohbee [OTA11 will not bring more advanced agps to the image, btw], No problem. I was just going on comments in recent podcast.
 Put the same date in? @UniversalSuperBox
 Yep
 What should I replace this image with?
 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Ubuntu_Touch_2015-02-06_Apps_screen.png/200px-Ubuntu_Touch_2015-02-06_Apps_screen.png
 Pure Maps awesomeness!  downloaded and donated
 @hacker12455 [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Ubuntu_Touch_2015-02-0 …], Is that the main image?
 yes
 The one shown on the sidebar
 I just took this
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/52qko0eR.png
 CC0 https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/cc0/
 Hmm, can you take one with all of the installed apps shown?
 Hmm, maybe I should put edge back on my Nexus 7 and use that
 It'll be a few minutes
 Alright
 should it be a screen of edge, or of stable?
 Maybe it doesn't matter so much
 I think stable
 Since that would show the experience that most users installing UT first time would have
 Okay, that works. I'll take one with another device
 Ah, my FP2 is stock
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/OO07KW07.png
 Ideally it should probably have some special time of day shown
 But, uh, I don't know what time that is
 hmm, what should I put as the source?
 Telegram?
 Me?
 Well, the description says where did it come from
 I can put you as the author and the source
 That sounds fine. I just gave it to you and stuff.
 What license?
 CC0
 updated the images and the OTA version
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch
 You're awesome! Thank you
 np
 now that reminded me that I should reinstall UT and debug bugs on the Moto G5 port
 I'll always help my favourite projects 😉
 You may find some things have been automagically solved since the last time you tried
 And we're making headway in the audio space
 Yeah I know
 Well last time I tried was yesterday so... :)
[20:31] <hallyn> is there an ssh-import-id package?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ideally it should probably have some special time of day shown], 16.04 probably
 @hallyn [is there an ssh-import-id package?], you could install it inside a libertine container i guess, from the ubuntu repo
 I reviewed the commits that I squashed into this commit, now I need a review so I can merge it: https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/pull/87
[20:44] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 87 in keyboard-component "Quality changes to French-Swiss keyboard" [Open]
 Does anyone have aida64 installed on his phone?
 on my droid ye
[22:17] <ubptgbot> tom was added by: tom
 The battery indicator on my fp2 16.04 devel keeps switching between charging and idle, turning the screen on every time, driving me nuts. Also the phone feels warm, and the battery indicator doesnt give the right percentage, as it is stuck at one percentage, and jumps up after a power cycle with battery-pull
 Tried different cables and fixating the phone and plug/port.
 can anyone else confirm that sode stage view is broken for Nexus 7 2013 LTE (deb)?
 [Edit] can anyone else confirm that side stage view is broken for Nexus 7 2013 LTE (deb)?
 @YougoChats [The battery indicator on my fp2 16.04 devel keeps switching between charging and …], Does this only happen with 16.04 devel? because that sounds like something *might* be broken on your phone as well...
 @TotalSonic [can anyone else confirm that side stage view is broken for Nexus 7 2013 LTE (deb …], i could help you, but I dont know what side stage view is
 Tap the app you're using with three fingers
 thnx, will try
 (Photo, 1920x1200) https://irc.ubports.com/UU0GYlrO.png
 (Photo, 1200x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/xOfecvGS.png
 is it supposed to do that? notice the handles on the terminal
 @JonRG [is it supposed to do that? notice the handles on the terminal], side stage view is for when it is in regular tablet mode and not in windowed desktop mode.  But the 3 finger tap is supposed to engage these handles in windowed mode
 it doesn't do anything in normal mode
 thanks! same problem here
 It will only work if the tablet is in landscape
 yup - should have mentioned that too