[10:36] <CIA-3> migration-assistant: evand * r103 migration-assistant/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.6.6
[10:54] <ev> lucid release branch in lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/lucid-release
[15:39] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, OEM would like to improve the documentation regarding partman recipes - where would be the best place to do that?
[15:39] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: send bug reports
[15:39] <cody-somerville> against?
[15:39] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: the primary documentation is partman-auto-recipe.txt, and there's also the installation-guide
[15:40] <cjwatson> if you don't know more specifically, use debian-installer
[15:40] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[15:40] <cody-somerville> It isn't documentation on 'partman recipes' in general but specifically the different options and what not.
[15:41] <cjwatson> a non-vague discussion on ubuntu-installer@lists would be fine too
[15:41] <cody-somerville> ex. usage{ <type> } and reserve_for_root{ <value> }
[15:41] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, okay
[15:42] <cjwatson> I don't know that I necessarily want to document absolutely every possibility
[15:42] <cjwatson> given that some of them (not necessarily those) will correspond to essentially internal details


[02:02] <asterismo> hi people
[02:02] <asterismo> i need help
[02:03] <asterismo> i installed evolution in xubuntu
[02:03] <asterismo> and when i change the appearence theme
[02:03] <asterismo> it does not applies in evolution
[02:05] <Unit193> That's because Evolution is GTK3
[02:05] <asterismo> but the greybird theme applies well in evolution
[02:05] <asterismo> and how it this is suppose to fix?
[02:06] <asterismo> i'm looking for a simple light theme
[02:06] <Unit193> That's because that theme is GTK3 and GTK2 compatible
[02:06] <Unit193> You would have to find a theme that works for both (or fix it up yourself)
[02:06] <asterismo> the greybird has dark toolbars
[02:07] <asterismo> there is no other light theme that makes all windows look the same
[02:07] <asterismo> any gtk3 theme site where i can download them?
[02:09] <Unit193> I would think xfce-look or Gnome-look would have a few, but you'd have to look
[02:14] <asterismo> in xfce-look.org, under the section Themes there are only gtk1.0, gtk2.0 and xfce subsections... not any gtk3.0
[02:18] <Unit193> Example: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DeLorean_Mono+Gtk3+Theme?content=145127  List of 'em: http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=167
[02:23] <asterismo> that page is gnome-look, i assume that is no problem trying to use them in xfce
[02:23] <asterismo> right?
[02:23] <Unit193> Shouldn't be. just don't get metacity :P
[02:53] <unknown_> hi there
[02:54] <unknown_> does anyone know how to copy ssh keys to the remote ubuntu machine?
[02:54] <unknown_> I have tried using ssh-copy-id -i
[04:54] <asterismo> hi
[04:54] <asterismo> i need help again
[04:56] <asterismo> i installed xubuntu 11.10 and after i added some undetected screen resolutions with xrandr in .xprofile (as i did before in ubuntu 11.10), i select that resolution but there is no change effect, and it ask me for confirmation "keep settings" but the resolution is not changed
[04:56] <asterismo> some ideas?
[05:09] <philipballew> asterismo, hello
[05:09] <philipballew> lets look at this
[05:10] <philipballew> What did you do differently?
[05:47] <jasonmchristos> What is a general protection error?
[05:47] <jasonmchristos>  [ 7108.315375] audacity[6161] general protection ip:b6406575 sp:bfa8b7f0 error:0 in libavcodec.so.52.72.2[b5fdc000+54f000]
[05:47] <urlin2u> jasonmchristos, when do you get that?
[05:47] <jasonmchristos> Answer me first.
[05:48] <urlin2u> right go away.
[05:48] <jasonmchristos> When your mom comes over.
[05:48] <holstein> jasonmchristos: audacity can be a bit buggy
[05:48] <jasonmchristos> I get general protection error.
[05:48] <holstein> what prompts that?
[05:48] <holstein> are you using the version from the repos?
[05:48] <jasonmchristos> Loading a wma for edit.
[05:49] <jasonmchristos> I tried the extended ffmpeg library
[05:49] <holstein> hmmm.... just wma's? for sure?
[05:49] <holstein> try converting it to something else
[05:49] <holstein> wav prefferably
[05:49] <jasonmchristos> That was the point holstein
[05:49] <holstein> ?
[05:50] <jasonmchristos> libav.so is supposed to do the converting
[05:50] <holstein> i mean, import the wav instead, and see if that helps
[05:50] <jasonmchristos> its the ffmpeg libraries
[05:50] <jasonmchristos> Anyway will someone answer my first question?
[05:50] <holstein> possibly, but audacity is buggy
[05:50] <jasonmchristos> What is a general protection error?
[05:50] <holstein> jasonmchristos: its an error
[05:50] <holstein> its not good
[05:51] <holstein> not too bad either
[05:51] <holstein> i mean, nothing critical has crashed
[05:51] <holstein> i would like to see if the wav imports clean for you
[05:51] <jasonmchristos> ok
[05:51] <jasonmchristos> im telling you its the ffmpeg libraries
[05:52] <holstein> jasonmchristos: cool
[05:52] <holstein> so whats the question then?
[05:52] <holstein> whats that error?
[05:52] <holstein> i see it associated with some .exe's
[05:53] <holstein> and some memory leak bugs
[05:53] <holstein> im not developer
[05:53] <holstein> i just trouble shoot
[05:53] <holstein> and if a wav imports cleanly, one that you convert with another application, then i think that would help you narrow things down a bit
[05:54] <jasonmchristos> holstein: wav imports fine
[05:55] <jasonmchristos> its the.so
[05:55] <jasonmchristos> its the ffmpeg libraries
[05:55] <holstein> in audactiy?
[05:55] <jasonmchristos> I just wanted to lknow what is meant by general protection
[05:56] <jasonmchristos> audacity is natively using wav it doesnt need the ffmpeg libraries to import a wav because no conversion is needed
[05:56] <holstein> i know how much you like wikis ;)
[05:56] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_protection_fault
[05:56] <jasonmchristos> when you import a foreign format it just uss ffmpeg to convert it to wav
[05:56] <holstein> jasonmchristos: audacity makes its own thing actually AFAIK
[05:56] <holstein> not wav either
[05:56] <jasonmchristos> well it does both
[05:56] <holstein> little .aup's?
[05:57] <holstein> something like that
[05:57] <jasonmchristos> wav and audacity raw
[05:57] <holstein> anyways, its buggy for sure in some cases
[05:57] <deper29> hey all, I just installed 11.10 on a machine
[05:57] <deper29> it went to restart
[05:57] <deper29> and I get "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic"
[05:57] <deper29> then says grub rescue> with a flashing cursor
[05:57] <jasonmchristos> I just wanted to lknow what is meant by general protection
[05:57] <jasonmchristos> i know what en error is
[05:57] <jasonmchristos> but what is meant by general protection
[05:58] <holstein> jasonmchristos: you want to give that wiki a look?
[05:58] <holstein> again, im no programmer
[05:58] <jasonmchristos> ok
[05:58] <holstein> but, i see that error with memory leak bugs, and other bugs
[05:58] <jasonmchristos> thanks for taking the time to respond
[05:58] <holstein> sure
[05:59] <holstein> deper29: is that a dual boot?
[06:00] <deper29> holstein: yes, windows 7 and 11.10
[06:03] <holstein> deper29: i would probably try reinstalling grub
[06:03] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair maybe, or just from the live CD you used to install
[06:05] <deper29> i'll give this a shot :)
[06:10] <deper29> Abhijit: I found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/72003/grub-invalid-arch-independent-elf-magic-after-11-10-install-on-macbook-pro-5
[06:10] <deper29> seems that is a fix, I get stuck at step 2
[06:10] <deper29> says /dev/sda3 does not exist
[06:12] <Abhijit> deper29, hmmm???
[06:12] <Abhijit> i dont know about grub
[06:12] <deper29> this isn't in grub
[06:12] <deper29> this is in a terminal. I booted from the CD
[06:13] <Abhijit> ok
[06:13] <deper29> I don't know what sda3 is though
[06:13] <deper29> could I not have an sda3?
[06:13] <Abhijit> sda3 is disk name and number
[06:13] <Abhijit> deper29, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en
[06:14] <Abhijit> you should to type your sda alternate on your computer
[06:15] <Abhijit> i suggest you to ask your doubt on that askbuntu page only with clearly stating what you want to do and where you stuck
[06:15] <Abhijit> deper29, ^
[06:17] <bioterror> Abhijit, why?
[06:17] <bioterror> deper29, sudo blkid
[06:17] <deper29> okay
[06:17] <Abhijit> bioterror, why to which thing?
[06:18] <bioterror> Abhijit, use askbuntu for that kind of thing
[06:18] <bioterror> deper29, that tells you what partitions you have
[06:18] <bioterror> deper29, so if you dont have a sda3, then you dont ;)
[06:18] <deper29> I see
[06:18] <deper29> which one am I interested in?
[06:18] <Abhijit> he bring that page in first place and the issue is reported by someone and answered by someone already. so i suggested him to continue there only
[06:18] <bioterror> probably you have / and swap
[06:18] <Abhijit> bioterror, ^
[06:18] <Abhijit> bioterror, he dont know what is sda3
[06:18] <deper29> I have sda1, sda5, sda6 sdb1 sdb2
[06:19] <bioterror> nice
[06:19] <Abhijit> :-)
[06:19] <bioterror> then follow that guide with those partitions
[06:19] <bioterror> in installing grub again
[06:20] <deper29> do I do all of the partitions?
[06:20] <bioterror> no
[06:20] <deper29> just my sda ones?
[06:20] <bioterror> you have to mount only linux partitions
[06:20] <deper29> those are my sda ones. sdb is ntfs
[06:21] <bioterror> could you
[06:21] <bioterror> !pastebin | deper29
[06:21] <ubot2> deper29: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[06:21] <bioterror> could you pastebin that: sudo blkid
[06:23] <deper29> paste.ubuntu.com/730716/
[06:24] <deper29> sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/730716/
[06:25] <bioterror> why you have two swap's? :-)
[06:25] <bioterror> oh well
[06:25] <deper29> I don't know?
[06:26] <deper29> I don't know what that means
[06:26] <deper29> :(
[06:28] <bioterror> !grub2
[06:28] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[06:30] <bioterror> deper29, now you just need to say: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[06:30] <bioterror> in terminal
[06:30] <bioterror> and it should be okay
[06:30] <deper29> just type that in now?
[06:30] <bioterror> if not, then something else is broken
[06:30] <bioterror> yes
[06:31] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/730717/
[06:32] <bioterror> hmmm
[06:32] <bioterror> yeah
[06:32] <bioterror> :)
[06:32] <Abhijit> bioterror, how about if he makes it sda1?
[06:32] <deper29> lol
[06:32] <bioterror> that needs some magic
[06:32] <bioterror> Abhijit, no
[06:32] <Abhijit> ok
[06:33] <deper29> do I have to mount something?
[06:33] <bioterror> deper29, yes
[06:35] <deper29> you guys are awesome for helping me :)
[06:36] <bioterror> deper29, http://paste.ubuntu.com/730722/
[06:37] <deper29> take out the disc when I reboot?
[06:37] <bioterror> you should try then if it boots
[06:37] <bioterror> but try to run those commands ;)
[06:39] <deper29> nope :'(
[06:40] <deper29> invalid arch independent ELF magic
[06:40] <deper29> grub rescue>
[06:40] <bioterror> hmmm
[06:40] <deper29> boot back into the disc?
[06:41] <bioterror> deper29, is that a "new" computer?
[06:41] <bioterror> one with EFI?
[06:42] <deper29> yes
[06:43] <deper29> motherboard is asus p8z68-v LE
[06:46] <bioterror> okay
[06:46] <bioterror> this efi thingie seems horrible :D
[06:46] <deper29> I see that haha
[06:46] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[06:47] <bioterror> reading that and it makes me sick :
[06:47] <bioterror> :D
[06:47] <deper29> I am not understanding this :(
[06:48] <jasonmchristos> bioterror: what do you know about E. coli ?
[06:48] <bioterror> bacteria? :D
[06:49] <jasonmchristos> yeah
[06:49] <jasonmchristos> lets do a channel so as not to be offtopic
[06:49] <bioterror> nothing much, it's a typical bacteria living up in your rectum :D
[06:50] <jasonmchristos> meet me in ##bioterror
[06:50] <bioterror> no I wont ;)
[06:50] <bioterror> I can join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[06:50] <bioterror> now I'm there
[06:51] <jasonmchristos> it will be offtopic
[06:51] <philipballew> i hear bacteria is very contagious. it enjoys spreading itself from irc troll to irc troll. there the low-lifes that produce acid strong enough to feed them :)
[06:51] <bioterror> jasonmchristos, -team is offtopic channel of this
[06:53] <deper29> bioterror: any luck?
[06:54] <bioterror> deper29, I have to rise my hands up with this EFI/UEFI thing
[06:54] <bioterror> my own hardware is older than that
[06:55] <bioterror> but I can try to search more information
[06:55] <deper29> gotcha :P
[06:55] <bioterror> just hang on there
[06:55] <deper29> thanks so much :)
[06:55] <deper29> not meaning to sound impatient
[07:05] <bioterror> deper29, http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.grub.user/818
[07:06] <deper29> thanks :)
[07:06] <deper29> how do I install against all drives?
[07:06] <deper29> when I boot from the disc, should I be choosing "try ubuntu"?
[07:08] <bioterror> yes, try ubuntu
[07:08] <bioterror> that thread has some points in there
[07:09] <deper29> but how do I install against all drives?
[07:10] <deper29> not sure I understand that
[07:10] <bioterror> do that paste I gave you
[07:10] <bioterror> and instead of grub-install /dev/sda, type /dev/sdb ;)
[07:11] <deper29> but sdb is my windows partition
[07:11] <deper29> er, windows drive
[07:11] <deper29> does that matter?
[07:12] <bioterror> no, it should not
[07:13] <deper29> error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
[07:13] <bioterror> you didnt mount that /dev/sda
[07:13] <bioterror> sda1
[07:14] <deper29> mount sda1?
[07:14] <deper29> sudo mount/dev/sda1 /mnt/ ?
[07:14] <bioterror> yeah
[07:15] <M0hi> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 Will be a better one ;)
[07:15] <deper29> k, now do sudo grub-install /dev/sdb?
[07:15] <deper29> when I try that it says mount point /mnt/sda1 does not exist
[07:16] <bioterror> hmmmm
[07:16] <deper29> when I do sudo grub-install /dev/sdb I'm still getting that same error
[07:23] <bioterror> weird? :P
[07:24] <deper29> i know :(
[07:25] <deper29> should I maybe be mounting something else?
[07:25] <bioterror> no
[07:25] <bioterror> you need to mount your ext4 partition
[07:25] <deper29> gotcha
[07:25] <bioterror> becouse you need to access that /boot
[07:28] <deper29> hmmm
[07:28] <deper29> how do I get a list of mounted devices?
[07:28] <bioterror> with command: mount
[07:28] <bioterror> or you can use: df -h
[07:28] <bioterror> ;)
[07:30] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/730752
[07:30] <deper29> that's what I end up with when I use that second command
[07:31] <bioterror> you have /dev/sda1 mounted on /mnt ;)
[07:31] <deper29> how do I unmount?
[07:31] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt
[07:32] <deper29> so then do sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[07:32] <deper29> ?
[07:32] <bioterror> no
[07:32] <bioterror> you have it already mounted
[07:32] <deper29> darn ;)
[07:32] <bioterror> you dont need to mount it again
[07:32] <deper29> oh, I see
[07:32] <deper29> so just leave it mounted then
[07:33] <bioterror> then mount those dev's and sys's and proc
[07:33] <deper29> on mnt?
[07:33] <bioterror> like in that guide I pastebined
[07:35] <deper29> so in that link you pastebinned, I did up to line 4
[07:35] <deper29> just change line 6 to sdb right?
[07:35] <deper29> sorry for so many questions
[07:35] <bioterror> grub-install /dev/sdb
[07:36] <jasonmchristos> maybe lilo is better
[07:36] <bioterror> :D
[07:36] <bioterror> maybe it is
[07:36] <bioterror> maybe it is not
[07:37] <deper29> here we go
[07:37] <deper29> rebooting
[07:43] <deper29> Still nothing :/
[07:45] <deper29> wait, forgot to do dpkg-reconfigure
[07:45] <deper29> *face palm*
[07:48] <deper29> whoa...I do dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[07:49] <jasonmchristos> what do you get ?
[07:49] <deper29> and I get a menu saying http://paste.ubuntu.com/730760/
[07:50] <jasonmchristos> well its blank
[07:50] <jasonmchristos> what do you want it to do
[07:51] <deper29> should I type anything in there? I'm going off this from bioterror http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.grub.user/818
[07:51] <bioterror> just press enter? :)
[07:51]  * jasonmchristos crunches nose till front teeth show and squints eyes at the link
[07:51] <deper29> lol
[07:52] <deper29> here we go...again
[07:52] <deper29> :P
[07:52] <jasonmchristos> its a shame when someone is working on something then they just dissapear
[07:52] <jasonmchristos> you know it didnt work
[07:53] <deper29> *&%$&^(*&#
[07:53] <bioterror> :D
[07:53] <deper29> still no dice :(
[07:55] <deper29> I never thought this would be such a pain :(
[07:55] <bioterror> sometimes it is
[07:57] <deper29> it should still be possible, right?
[07:57] <bioterror> sure
[07:58] <jasonmchristos> whats he trying o do guys ?
[07:58] <bioterror> I have no glue what to do
[07:59] <bioterror> I would probably try to re-install whole Ubuntu again
[07:59] <bioterror> and wonder if it helps
[07:59] <bioterror> sounds like a windows solution, but
[07:59] <deper29> LOL
[07:59] <deper29> I will give it a shot
[07:59] <deper29> see what happens I guess
[07:59] <jasonmchristos> whats wrong
[08:00] <deper29> invalid arch independent ELF magic
[08:00] <deper29> when I boot that's all that I get
[08:00] <jasonmchristos> what you do is set the fstab correcty first
[08:00] <deper29> I just installed 11.10 on a new machine
[08:00] <deper29> ?
[08:00] <jasonmchristos> then you install grob
[08:01] <deper29> what do you mean, install fstab correctly?
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> what your gunno want to do is set the mount points in fstab
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> same as if you were installing
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> i dont even see a root partition
[08:02] <jasonmchristos> you have to have a root
[08:02] <deper29> so do a reinstall then?
[08:02] <jasonmchristos> depends on how important the data is
[08:02] <deper29> no data
[08:02] <deper29> brand new machine
[08:02] <jasonmchristos> well if theres no data doesnt matter
[08:02] <bioterror> jasonmchristos, we have instaled grub agani
[08:02] <bioterror> on sda and sdb
[08:02] <bioterror> but no dice
[08:03] <jasonmchristos> well it needs to be on the mbr
[08:03] <jasonmchristos> of the primary drive
[08:03] <jasonmchristos> deper29: what are you trying to accomplish
[08:03] <bioterror> he's trying to boot into linux
[08:03] <bioterror> but ends up to grub rescue
[08:03] <bioterror> with that ELF
[08:03] <deper29> ^
[08:04] <jasonmchristos> thats because theres no root partition
[08:04] <bioterror> there's
[08:04] <bioterror> he has /
[08:04] <jasonmchristos> the boot partition is loaded first
[08:06] <deper29> should I be setting something different wehn I reinstall?
[08:06] <jasonmchristos> you need to install to the mbr
[08:07] <jasonmchristos> and have a /boot partition for the kernal
[08:07] <jasonmchristos> it will load from mbr grab kernal
[08:07] <bioterror> deper29, choose: use whole disk
[08:07] <jasonmchristos> then mount everything
[08:08] <deper29> when I choose use whole disk, that won't get rid of windows will it?
[08:08] <deper29> because that is on a separate drive
[08:08] <jasonmchristos> oh he is trying to keep windows
[08:08] <jasonmchristos> thats a little more complicated
[08:08] <jasonmchristos> dual booting
[08:08] <deper29> yes lol
[08:08] <jasonmchristos> disable the windows drive in bios
[08:09] <jasonmchristos> then install everything
[08:09] <deper29> can I just unplug it?
[08:09] <jasonmchristos> that works too
[08:09] <jasonmchristos> but bios is easier
[08:09] <jasonmchristos> thisaway you dont mess it up
[08:10] <deper29> unplugging it can mess it up?
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> not if the computer is off
[08:10] <deper29> it is off lol
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> ok thats why its not working
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> grub wants to be on the mbr of the primary drive
[08:11] <jasonmchristos> if you are installing it as a slave its not going to load
[08:11] <deper29> okay, so I just unplugged my windows drive
[08:11] <deper29> and am now going to turn on and install ubuntu
[08:11] <jasonmchristos> yeah but the problem is this
[08:11] <jasonmchristos> new windows have thier own loaders
[08:12] <deper29> okay
[08:12] <jasonmchristos> hopefully you didnt put grub on the windows drive already
[08:12] <deper29> we did that earlier
[08:12] <jasonmchristos> grub isnt going to load at all if the windows drive is primary
[08:12] <deper29> primary in boot order?
[08:12] <jasonmchristos> dual booting was easier with windows xp
[08:12] <jasonmchristos> what you want to do is make them both primary
[08:13] <jasonmchristos> on seperate channels
[08:13] <deper29> do I do that in the BIOS?
[08:13] <jasonmchristos> and disable either channel in bios when you want to boot into the other system
[08:13] <jasonmchristos> thats the safest rout i would say
[08:13] <deper29> i'll primarily boot into linux
[08:14] <deper29> so I should not be installing ubuntu right now, but should be booting into the BIOS?
[08:14] <jasonmchristos> well if thats the case make the windows drive a slave and add a line in grub for the other drive
[08:14] <jasonmchristos> not a slave
[08:14] <deper29> how?
[08:14] <jasonmchristos> but put it on the secondary channel
[08:14] <deper29> i'm a noob to a lot of this stuff
[08:14] <jasonmchristos> the motherboard has a connecter for sata drives
[08:15] <deper29> yes
[08:15] <jasonmchristos> its a channel
[08:15] <jasonmchristos> if you connect them on the same cable it makes slaves
[08:15] <deper29> okay
[08:15] <jasonmchristos> slaves generally arent for booting
[08:15] <jasonmchristos> so connect the drives on different cables
[08:15] <jasonmchristos> one for each drive
[08:15] <deper29> the drives are on different cables
[08:15] <jasonmchristos> if linux is going to be primary put it on channel 1
[08:16] <deper29> it is
[08:16] <jasonmchristos> ok then install grub to the mbr
[08:16] <jasonmchristos> how did ou get to this point ?
[08:16] <jasonmchristos> if you install linux on a primary drive on channel 1 it should boot fine
[08:16] <deper29> it doesn't
[08:17] <deper29> bioterror was saying it has something to do with EFI
[08:17] <bioterror> could be
[08:17]  * bioterror lifts hands up
[08:17] <bioterror> :D
[08:17] <deper29> lol
[08:19] <jasonmchristos> well ive never used efi
[08:19] <jasonmchristos> ut if thats the error yes
[08:20] <jasonmchristos> thats what the problem is
[08:20] <jasonmchristos> thats a new thing
[08:20] <jasonmchristos> its there for your saftey
[08:20] <deper29> ?
[08:21] <jasonmchristos> so you dont rebboot one day and all of this sudden you are running inside a virtual machine from someone at pakistani isi headquarters
[08:21] <deper29> lol
[08:21] <deper29> so I am at the reinstall thing
[08:21] <deper29> erase ubuntu 11.10 or custom?
[08:22] <jasonmchristos> you are going to have to readup on the support for this EFI thing
[08:22] <jasonmchristos> deper29: use whole drive
[08:22] <deper29> k
[08:22] <jasonmchristos> i would use 10.10 or 10.04
[08:22] <jasonmchristos> unbless you want that new gnome
[08:23] <jasonmchristos> it was built for a netbook
[08:23] <deper29> 10.10 boots fine on my machine
[08:23] <jasonmchristos> sounds like you have a brand new powerful machine
[08:23] <jasonmchristos> deper29: oh so you want the new system
[08:24] <deper29> yes :P
[08:24] <jasonmchristos> well just repartition it using whole disk
[08:24] <jasonmchristos> put the swap at the front end of magnetic drives
[08:24] <jasonmchristos> use the first 5%
[08:25] <jasonmchristos> do a custom partition
[08:25] <geirha> If the choice is between 10.10 and 10.04, I'd go with 10.04 since it's an LTS release.
[08:25] <deper29> custom
[08:25] <deper29> okay
[08:25] <deper29> is there any advantage to going with 11.10?
[08:25] <jasonmchristos> just new stuff
[08:25] <jasonmchristos> have to relearn everything
[08:26] <deper29> lol
[08:26] <jasonmchristos> its gnome3
[08:26] <jasonmchristos> it was designed for a netbook
[08:26] <deper29> okay, I will have to get 10.04
[08:26] <jasonmchristos> supposed to be further dumbed down
[08:26] <deper29> lol
[08:27] <jasonmchristos> but go with what you want
[08:27] <jasonmchristos> its a release version
[08:27] <jasonmchristos> so its more buggy
[08:28] <jasonmchristos> 10.10 has a bit more options than 10.04 thats why i picked it
[08:28] <jasonmchristos> 10.04 should be as stable as ubuntu has ver been
[08:28] <jasonmchristos> everything just works until you start installing extra options stuff
[08:29] <deper29> what options?
[08:29] <jasonmchristos> like community packages
[08:30] <jasonmchristos> like there are a few extra options each relesae
[08:30] <jasonmchristos> 11.10 has utp in transmission
[08:30] <jasonmchristos> or 10.10 has mac cloning in gnome net manager
[08:30] <geirha> 10.10 will lose support in april 2012, which means that you have to upgrade to 11.04, then to 11.10, then to 12.04 to get to the latest release.
[08:30] <jasonmchristos> where 10.04 doesnt
[08:31] <geirha> With 10.04 you can upgrade directly to 12.04
[08:31] <geirha> (since 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS releases)
[08:31] <deper29> I never knew there was a 12.04
[08:31] <geirha> 12.04 means it gets released in 2012, month 04
[08:32] <jasonmchristos> stick with lts if you can
[08:32] <geirha> So it's a planned release, and will be available sometime during april 2012.
[08:32] <jasonmchristos> the others are just beta tests for the LTS
[08:33] <jasonmchristos> deper29: so you are saying you installed from scratch and it wouldnt boot ?
[08:34] <deper29> yeah
[08:35] <deper29> I installed 11.10, and got that grub rescue thing
[08:35] <jasonmchristos> well give 10.04 a shot
[08:35] <jasonmchristos> you can get 12 when it comes out
[08:35] <deper29> I'm just downloading 10.04 64 bit right now
[08:35] <jasonmchristos> but im inclined to say that its going to do the same thing
[08:36] <deper29> 10.04?
[08:36] <jasonmchristos> you might have to read up on EFI support
[08:36] <geirha> When you boot the Ubuntu CD, it's a good idea to choose "Try Ubuntu" instead of "Install". That way you can check that things like graphics card, audio and wireless works
[08:36] <deper29> okay :) thanks for all of your help again today, guys
[08:37] <jasonmchristos> deper29: sounds like the EFI isnt recognizing something
[08:37] <jasonmchristos> what was that error again ?
[08:37] <jasonmchristos> invalid EFI image ?
[08:37] <deper29> invalid arch independent ELF magic
[08:39] <jasonmchristos> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1299653.html
[08:39] <jasonmchristos> this guy got it solved
[08:39] <jasonmchristos> deper29:  you mean it wouldnt boot the very first time ?
[08:40] <deper29> yeah. when I installed, as soon as it did its reboot to complete installation, I got that error
[08:42] <jasonmchristos> run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[08:42] <deper29> when booting from the live disc?
[08:43] <jasonmchristos> no
[08:43] <jasonmchristos> forget that
[08:43] <deper29> lol
[08:43] <jasonmchristos> did you tell it during install to install to MBR ?
[08:43] <deper29> I'm about to just install 10.04
[08:44] <jasonmchristos> Make sure you tell it to install to MBR on the drive your linux is on
[08:44] <jasonmchristos> not the windows drive
[08:44] <deper29> kk
[08:44] <jasonmchristos> you are going to have to figure out how to remove that on the other drive
[08:44] <jasonmchristos> you dont need it on the windows drive
[08:45] <bioterror> grub needs to be on that partition that's going to be booted first ;)
[08:45] <jasonmchristos> and if its on the primary channel and you have the other drive unplugged or disabled during install it should be fine
[08:45] <deper29> okay, here goes the disc
[08:45] <jasonmchristos> no
[08:45] <deper29> no?
[08:45] <jasonmchristos> not on the partition
[08:46] <bioterror> sorry
[08:46] <bioterror> primary disk :D
[08:46] <deper29> no, I'm installing
[08:46] <jasonmchristos> on the MBR
[08:46] <bioterror> it's monday
[08:46] <bioterror> forgive me :D
[08:46] <deper29> lol
[08:46] <jasonmchristos> ok
[08:46] <deper29> i have to work shortly...and it's voting day today
[08:46] <jasonmchristos> you prob blew out the windows loader already
[08:47] <jasonmchristos> have to call microsoft next
[08:47] <deper29> how do I know if I did?
[08:47] <deper29> windows booted just fine
[08:47] <deper29> was just in it to burn a copy of 10.04
[08:47] <deper29> :D
[08:47] <jasonmchristos> after you are done with this reconnect the drive and see if windows will boot by disabling the first linux drive
[08:47] <jasonmchristos> you are trolling
[08:48] <deper29> i am not
[08:48] <deper29> ;)
[08:48] <jasonmchristos> trying o just run me in circles
[08:48] <jasonmchristos> no you said you disconnected the drive
[08:48] <jasonmchristos> you cant have done both
[08:48] <deper29> so am I choosing erase and use entire disk
[08:48] <deper29> oh! i reconnected it
[08:48] <deper29> sorry
[08:49] <deper29> or am i choosing specify partitions manually
[08:49] <jasonmchristos> well to make it simple just do it the way it wants
[08:50] <deper29> it doesn't say the way it wants
[08:50] <jasonmchristos> lol
[08:50] <deper29> just erase and use entire disk?
[08:50] <jasonmchristos> yeah
[08:51] <jasonmchristos> i thiink the bearings are swollen put the drive in the freezer
[08:51] <jasonmchristos> the elf inside is getting too hot
[08:51] <deper29> hahaha
[08:53] <deper29> how do you learn all of this stuff?
[08:54] <bioterror> by using GNU/Linux operating sytems
[08:54] <bioterror> they happen to break every once in a while ;)
[08:54] <deper29> lol
[08:54] <deper29> but I mean, I never knew there was an elf inside
[08:54] <bioterror> my computer has gnome inside it
[08:54] <bioterror> think about that
[08:54] <deper29> let alone know he could get too hot
[08:55] <deper29> lol :P
[08:55] <jasonmchristos> well the newer ones have elves
[08:55] <jasonmchristos> the older ones have alfs
[08:55] <deper29> alien life forms?
[08:55] <jasonmchristos> yeah thats why the rkhunter checks for aliens
[08:55] <deper29> ahhh
[08:56] <jasonmchristos> or chkrootkit
[08:56] <jasonmchristos> one or the other
[08:57] <deper29> where do you recommend a person learns how to mod the kernel?
[08:57] <jasonmchristos> and when your keymap gets reversed after installing bitcoin you have a good idea that you are in a mussad agents virtual machine
[08:57] <jasonmchristos> deper29: mod the kernal, going to have to talk to a CIA agent
[08:58] <jasonmchristos> show you how to put a backdoor in
[08:58] <deper29> lol
[08:59] <jasonmchristos> deper29: start by compiling
[08:59] <jasonmchristos> use ubuntu if you like
[08:59] <jasonmchristos> doenload all of the source
[09:00] <jasonmchristos> download the kernal source
[09:00] <deper29> okay
[09:00] <jasonmchristos> and install the dev tools
[09:00] <deper29> how do i install the dev tools?
[09:00] <jasonmchristos> but you are going to need a seperate machine
[09:00] <bioterror> it's kernel ;)
[09:00] <jasonmchristos> unnetworked
[09:01] <jasonmchristos> because dev tools arent secure
[09:01] <deper29> okay
[09:01] <deper29> have that
[09:02] <jasonmchristos> then just read it
[09:02] <jasonmchristos> usually its all commented for modding
[09:02] <deper29> the dev tools?
[09:02] <jasonmchristos> the source
[09:02] <jasonmchristos> good programmers use lots of comments
[09:02] <jasonmchristos> well nice programmers
[09:03] <jasonmchristos> those that learned to share when they were little
[09:03] <deper29> lol
[09:04] <jasonmchristos> deper29: i want to do this too
[09:05] <deper29> do what?
[09:05] <jasonmchristos> kernel programming
[09:05] <deper29> have you done any before?
[09:06] <jasonmchristos> no
[09:06] <jasonmchristos> i did something with python
[09:06] <jasonmchristos> but i dont like bieng on another tier
[09:06] <deper29> ah
[09:06] <jasonmchristos> python is higher level
[09:06] <deper29> all I've used is c++
[09:06] <deper29> and MATLAB :P
[09:07] <jasonmchristos> MATLAB is perl ?
[09:07] <deper29> I think so?
[09:07] <jasonmchristos> i think i red that
[09:07] <jasonmchristos> something to do with the genome prject ?
[09:08] <deper29> maybe?
[09:08] <deper29> it's just math :P
[09:08] <jasonmchristos> i think i read that in a perl book
[09:11] <jasonmchristos> i want some juice
[09:12] <jasonmchristos> we can't always get what we want
[10:40] <Neil> Good morning (I am in The UK). I hope one of you can help me find some software. I have a usb analogue capture card. I have confirmed that it is working correctly by installing TVtime and connecting my photo camera. What I need now is to find some software that will enable me to record my old VHS video tapes to the computer and then make some DVDs. If I can also find software with a timer so that I can schedule recordings from my
[11:04] <coalwater> i have 2 asc files and i want to import them to a computer so i could use it to access my launchpad branches, how can i do that using terminal
[11:11] <coalwater> crap lol rebooted by mistake
[11:41] <Neil> I've had no reply to this after 1 hour, so I will repeat my question. I hope one of you can help me find some software. I have a usb analogue capture card. I have confirmed that it is working correctly by installing TVtime and connecting my photo camera. What I need now is to find some software that will enable me to record my old VHS video tapes to the computer and then make some DVDs. If I can also find software with a timer so
[11:47] <geirha> Your message gets cut off at  "with a timer so"
[11:48] <geirha> I don't know exactly how that capture card is set up. Do you connect to it via /dev/video or something like that?
[11:49] <Neil> Thanks Geirha. I will split my message into smaller sections.
[11:49] <Neil> I hope one of you can help me find some software. I have a usb analogue video capture card. I have confirmed that it is working correctly by installing TVtime and connecting my photo camera.
[11:50] <Neil> What I need now is to find some software that will enable me to record my old VHS video tapes to the computer and then make some DVDs.
[11:50] <Neil> If I can also find software with a timer so that I can schedule recordings from my satellite receiver then that would be great.
[11:51] <Neil> Although my USB analogue capture card definitely works as proven with TVtime I have not found a way of making it work with Mythtv.
[11:51] <Neil> My minimum requirement is to make DVDs from my old vhs tapes, but making sheduled recordings from my satellite receiver as well will be great. can anyone make any suggestions for the software I should install? Thanks in advance, I know that at least one of you will have the solution I need.
[11:52] <geirha> I haven't used mythtv myself, but I think that's up mythtv's ally
[11:52] <geirha> *alley
[11:53] <Sidewinder1> Neil, Does the capture card have audio-in and video-in jacks that'll mate with your VHS machine?
[11:55] <Neil> yes sidewinder1. I have already connected my digital camera to the computer via my usb capture card. I get good picture and sound with TVtime, but TVtime has no way of recording the video and sound. So the harware all works, I just need to find software for making recordings.
[11:57] <geirha> Have you tried asking #mythtv-users for help in getting your capture card working with mythtv?
[11:59] <Sidewinder1> I use Kaffeine to 'watch TV' with my Hauppauge USB/TV card. Kaffeine does have an "Instant Record" menu selection; but I've never used that function.
[12:02] <Sidewinder1> Neil, Once you get VHS, playing/recording through your computer, the next step might be found here: http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/making-dvds-with-devede-in-linux/
[12:03] <Neil> No geirha, I have not tried myth tv users yet.
[12:06] <Neil> Thanks Sidwinder1, I have had a quick read and it seems that needs files to be present for conversion. I will read up about caffeine and see if that can capture s-video or composite video via a usb capture card.
[12:07] <Sidewinder1> That's Kaffeine. :-)
[12:07] <Neil> thanks, I have typed the correct spelling into google. I am searching for information now.
[12:09] <Sidewinder1> Neil, I don't think there's any way to go from VHS to DVD in one step. You'll need to record the VHS to HDD first. Then you'll have to, probably. re-encode the recorded format to a DVD format that'll play on a home DVD player.
[12:10] <Neil> yes Sidewinder1, I know I must copy the vhs to HDD first. It is the software for doing this that I am trying to find.
[12:11] <Sidewinder1> Neil, IF you want DVD menus and to play on home DVD players (not just your computer) look into the Video TS format.
[12:13] <Sidewinder1> I've never done that; although I have literally hundreds of VHS taped programs/movies. Sorry I can't give you the definitive software answer. :-(
[12:13] <Neil> Yeah, I am familiar with Video TS. I have made loads of DVDs with Windows software. My problem is how to record my video to HDD with Ubuntu and a usb video capture card with composite and s-video analogue inputs.
[12:15] <Neil> As I have already said, the usb capture card works fine. With TVtime I get good picture and sound when I connect my camera to the computer with the usb capture card with analogue composite inputs. I just need to find software that will make recordings to HDD for me.
[12:15] <Sidewinder1> Neil, That'll be dependent on the card; it'll need to have the compatible; sounds like you've already done that. Perhaps Kaffeine will record...
[12:16] <Neil> I am using gnome and kaffeine seems to be for KDE. Will caffeine work with Gnome?
[12:17] <Neil> I will try installing Kaffeine now and see if there is an option for recording video from my usb analogue video capture card.
[12:18] <Sidewinder1> Neil, I'm on 10.04 and Gnome; just use Synaptic to install Kaffeine and it 'should' handle all of the dependencies. That's the way I did it.
[12:18] <Neil> I am installing now.
[12:18] <Sidewinder1> :D
[12:20] <Sidewinder1> Once installed and playing, look under Television-->Instant Record.
[12:20] <Neil> Still installing Kaffeine. I will let you know when installed and the program has been started.
[12:21] <Sidewinder1> 1.0-svn3 is the version that I'm using; listening to broadcast news, as we type.
[12:27] <geirha> OT. Why do you recommend installing with synaptic?
[12:29] <Sidewinder1> geirha, Since he said he was running Gnome, as am I, and he noticed that Kaffeine was a KDE app, I suggested Synaptic would 'probably' handle the necessary dependencies; that's the way I accomplished the install.
[12:30] <Neil> I have had a quick look at kaffeine. It seems to be for broadcast television only, not for composite or s-video input. Having said that, I have not yet got kaffeine to detect my Hauppauge Nova T usb TV card which works well with Mythtv. I have to go out soon but will leave my computer on in case anyone can make any uiseful suggestions. Thanks for trying.
[12:30] <Sidewinder1> Wish we'd been more successful.. :-(
[12:31] <Sidewinder1> geirha, Besides, I'm "terminally" challenged. ;-)
[12:34] <Neil> Maybe Mythtv has seized exclusive access to my tV tuner and it is not available to Kaffeine. I will have to come back to this latter. I just have enough time for a quick web search Kaffeine with usb analoge video capture card before I have to go out.
[12:35] <Sidewinder1> Best of luck!
[12:35] <Neil> Thanks
[12:35] <geirha> Sidewinder1: Well, I'm quite certain the software center can manage that just as well.
[12:37] <Sidewinder1> geirha, I believe that Software Center and Synaptic are just GUI front ends for apt-get; but I could be mistaken. ;-)
[12:37] <Neil> I think I have read through everything in the sound and video section of the software centre. I cannot see anything that sounds like it wqill record video from a usb video capture card. I really must go now.
[12:38] <geirha> Sidewinder1: They are both apt frontends, yes. Software center seems much easier than synaptic though.
[12:39] <geirha> I'm a command-line guy, so I'd probably try to dump the stream with mplayer
[12:39] <Sidewinder1> I just got used to Syn; to each his/her own. :D
[12:43] <Sidewinder1> geirha, You know what, you're right; I like how SC lists by category; I haven't looked at in a long, long time... I stand corrected.. :D
[12:44] <geirha> In 11.10 it's even more awesome. You can buy and install non-free software
[12:44] <Sidewinder1> 10.04 here.
[12:45] <geirha> You can see it here: http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/
[12:46] <Sidewinder1> I will, begrudgingly move to 12.04, many months after it comes out..  We old-frts are all alike; homeostasis and all..
[12:46] <geirha> Yeah, I prefer to stick to LTS releases too
[12:47] <geirha> But when I recently bought a new laptop I thought I might as well try 11.10. There's only one upgrade step away from 12.04 LTS anyway.
[12:49] <Sidewinder1> Other than the 'tour', you graciously provided, I haven't been able to even look at Unity; all of my systems are too old for 3D. :-(
[12:49] <geirha> Well, if ubuntu is unable to enable 3d, it'll just failover to unity-2d
[12:53] <Sidewinder1> My main machine (this one) is so old, it won't even allow me to boot to USB; my BIOS settings won't allow it.
[12:55] <geirha> Hehe. Then if you go out and buy the cheapest notebook/netbook you can find, it'll probably be more powerful than your current machine :)
[12:56] <Sidewinder1> No surprise there.
[12:59] <Sidewinder1> I'm gonna save the Kroner that would've been spent on a notebook and put 'em into a new desktop; when the kids get out of college. :-)
[13:02] <geirha> Oh, your nordic too?
[13:02] <geirha> *you're
[13:02] <Sidewinder1> No, PA, US; I just noticed that you were. ;-)
[13:03] <geirha> Ah, hehe :)
[13:03] <Sidewinder1> It's 08:03, here.
[13:03] <geirha> 14:03
[13:03] <Sidewinder1> More coffee..
[14:46] <asterismo> hi people
[14:46] <asterismo> i need help with xubuntu gtk3 themes
[14:48] <asterismo> or is there any xubuntu channel?
[14:55] <hobgoblin> there is an xubuntu channel - #xubuntu
[14:55] <hobgoblin> if you find out can you let me know - I'm sure in the future I'll be lookling for the same info ...
[14:59] <asterismo> the thing is that i had to install xubuntu and i cannot find a theme that honours GTK3 applications, like evolution
[14:59] <asterismo> the only theme that supports gtk3 is the greybird
[15:00] <asterismo> but it uses dark panels and some icons result hard to see
[15:00] <asterismo> and i'm looking for some simple light theme, like "Mist" used to be, but it do not support evolution
[15:01] <asterismo> i'm googling but can't find any and how to install them either
[15:01] <asterismo> i would be very glad if someone wants to help me
[15:01] <hobgoblin> not found anything hard to see here with greybird tbh - but I don't use evolution - nor is there much I use that's not default - sorry I can't be of more help - I think I need to add xubuntu to my list and idle there from a while
[15:02] <asterismo> the thing is that i use faenza icon theme
[15:03] <asterismo> and dark themes (those using dark toolbars) and stuff, are wrong designed
[15:03] <asterismo> anyway, light themes keeps things ok
[15:03] <asterismo> black icons in a light background
[15:03] <hobgoblin> try that channel - might be helpful in there
[15:03] <asterismo> thanks
[15:04] <hobgoblin> the days of me fiddling with icons and the like are long gone ...
[15:05] <asterismo> if you use faenza icons, (black icons) all contextual menus appears with dark backgrounds and icons
[15:05] <asterismo> that is wrong
[15:06] <asterismo> if you use faenza-dark icons or faenza-ambiance, evolution icons toolbar and  firefox looks different
[15:06] <asterismo> light and dark backgrounds
[15:07] <asterismo> for me, anywhere is a dark background, there must be a light icon or the opposite
[15:07] <hobgoblin> asterismo: you know you got asked what you needed in xubuntu?
[15:08] <asterismo> yes
[15:08] <asterismo> asking right now
[20:58] <bobweaver> Hello there could someone please tell me where I might be able to find ubuntu docs on trademarks and the use of the name thanks
[20:59] <hobgoblin> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[20:59] <hobgoblin> there you go
[22:25] <Zaragon> just installed wubi recently....where did the repositories go?...did i miss something in the menus?
[22:26] <holstein> Zaragon: you installed ubuntu via wubi?
[22:26] <Zaragon> yes
[22:26] <holstein> and you are not able to find the 'sources' list?
[22:27] <Zaragon> couldn't find much in it...what is menu path?
[22:27] <holstein> Zaragon: in what?
[22:27] <holstein> the operating system?
[22:27] <holstein> is this 11.10?
[22:27] <Zaragon> yes
[22:28] <holstein> so, you might be using unity, the new UI
[22:28] <holstein> and be used to gnome2, the old UI
[22:28] <holstein> UI = user interface
[22:29] <Zaragon> I was looking for a prog that allowed assignment of mouse keys...always iffy and not in main repositories...trying unity alright
[22:29] <holstein> Zaragon: how did you search the repositories?
[22:29] <holstein> there are really no 'non-main' repositories
[22:29] <Zaragon> couldn't find them to enable them
[22:29] <holstein> there are some additional ones that you can enable for things like codecs
[22:30] <holstein> but, that application will likely not be there
[22:30] <holstein> you can also add PPA's
[22:30] <holstein> how about this
[22:30] <holstein> what are you looking for?
[22:30] <holstein> or beter yet
[22:30] <Zaragon> not familiar with PPA's
[22:30] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[22:31] <holstein> Zaragon: you dont need to be familiar with them
[22:31] <holstein> im just proposing to you that maybe you are looking for an app that has been removed/renamed
[22:31] <holstein> but, maybe we can find an alternative for you :)
[22:32] <Zaragon> currently use a logitech mouse with programmable buttons...best i've found.for buggered up hands and fingers...logitech does not supply drivers for linux
[22:32] <holstein> right, so you have used an application to remap the buttons in the past
[22:32] <holstein> and you dont remember the name?
[22:33] <Zaragon> that is correct...that would make it too easy
[22:33] <holstein> hehe
[22:34] <holstein> im not seeing a GUI tool right off the bat
[22:34] <holstein> i have done something like this in the past
[22:34] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[22:34]  * holstein still looking...
[22:35] <Zaragon> i haven't had ubuntu installed since about 9.10...
[22:35] <escott> Zaragon, http://www.ghacks.net/2011/06/28/how-to-customize-extra-mouse-buttons-in-linux/
[22:35] <holstein> yeah, xinput is what i used
[22:36] <holstein> yeah, btnx looks like a nice option
[22:36] <holstein> escott: :)
[22:36] <Zaragon> I'll try both of those directions...btnx kind of sounds familiar...in available repository?
[22:38] <holstein> yup
[22:38] <holstein> btnx-config - graphical user interface for btnx
[22:39] <holstein> not sure what that means
[22:39] <holstein> i though it was a GUI, but im sure you'll sort it out
[22:39] <Zaragon> thank you, holstein....I really appreciate your efforts...i was getting rather frustrated
[22:41] <Zaragon> bye for now
[22:55] <Max_Stone> What should I do if I can't generate a download script in Synaptic?
[22:56] <holstein> Max_Stone: try again... it should spit out a file on the desktop
[22:57] <holstein> you can take that to your windows online machine or whatever and pick out the URL's
[22:57] <Max_Stone> That's what I was told, but I actually can't mark any packages except for Removal or Complete Removal
[22:57] <holstein> or, you could run a live CD where that script will just work
[22:57] <Max_Stone> So is that a good thing?
[22:57] <holstein> Max_Stone: ?
[22:57] <Max_Stone> IF I can't mark them for update does that mean that Ubuntu assumes they can't be upgraded?
[22:57] <holstein> i mean, its a convenience
[22:58] <Max_Stone> *If, sorry
[22:58] <holstein> Max_Stone: not sure what you mean
[22:59] <Max_Stone> In Synaptic I can't mark anything for upgrade, so is Ubuntu like.... trying to say that there wouldn't be an update available?
[22:59] <holstein> sure.. if theres not upgraded available, then thats the case
[22:59] <holstein> if its not online though, it'll have no way of knowing that
[23:00] <Max_Stone> Right. I'm trying to find a site I was linked to I think yesterday... involving jigdo and Dvd images
[23:02] <holstein> http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/08/get-ubuntu-repositories-on-dvd.html
[23:02] <cosmosis> I am installing ubuntu 11.10 on a brand new system.  8 core AMD FX-8150 CPU with a ASUS M5A97 -- AMD 970 motherboard and 16 gig of ram.   When I go to install I get as far as  864 and detecting the usb keyboard and then it just hangs.  Any ideas?
[23:02] <holstein> cosmosis: you got past that by unplugging the USB keyboard correct?
[23:03] <holstein> i would want to see that desktop live on that hardware
[23:03] <holstein> i would pass the nomodeset option or whatever else just to see it running
[23:04] <cosmosis> yeah I unplugged the keyboard and I got stuck at sr0: detection (which occurs earlier in the install boot than usb detection)
[23:04] <dluzius> my Toshiba L-655 laptop came with W7. I made it dual boot by  adding Ubuntu 11.10, and all is well except no battery indicator in top bar.
[23:04] <holstein> cosmosis: what iso are you using?
[23:04] <holstein> maybe try the 10.04 one
[23:04] <cosmosis> I am trying the 11.10 64 bit amd one
[23:04] <holstein> dluzius: are you sure?... unplug it and see if it shows up
[23:05] <holstein> cosmosis: right, so try the 10.04 one if you want
[23:05] <holstein> the live one
[23:05] <cosmosis> I figured it would be necessary to take advantage of the 8 cores since bulldozer wasnt shipping then
[23:05] <holstein> cosmosis: you can also try some of those options
[23:05] <cosmosis> ok will download 10.04
[23:05] <holstein> nomodeset, noacpi or whatever
[23:05] <cosmosis> how do I pass those to the installer?
[23:06] <holstein> they are in the live ISO... you hit shift... then you see options
[23:06] <holstein> F6 if memory serves are where those are
[23:06] <dluzius> do you mean to detach the battery and re-attach it again?
[23:06] <holstein> dluzius: the power cord
[23:06] <holstein> just unplug it
[23:06] <holstein> by default, i believe you only see the batter when its in use
[23:07] <dluzius> it's running on built-in battery, it's a laptop.
[23:07] <holstein> dluzius: right... but is the power cord that charges it plugged into it?
[23:07] <escott> holstein, his problem is that the kernel is not recognizing the battery so he needs an acpi workaround
[23:07] <dluzius> no
[23:08] <holstein> escott: cool... i was just confirming, since that is the default vonfig
[23:08] <holstein> config*
[23:09] <dluzius> how do I do an acpi workaround
[23:09] <holstein> dluzius: did you find/try this?
[23:09] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/50656/no-battery-present-on-a-toshiba-satellite-l655
[23:10] <dluzius> no...
[23:11] <cosmosis> ok so using nomode set and the Try ubuntu option I was able to get to the live boot desktop...  what does no modeset do exactly?
[23:12] <escott> cosmosis, modesetting is a newer feature of the kernel to initialize the graphics card. it doesn't work for all graphics cards and causes some machines to lock up
[23:12] <cosmosis> oh this must be because I have a nvidia gtx 570
[23:13] <Max_Stone> Help with jigdo/iso files? I got into the CD images on debian.org and searched for Ubuntu, but it just looks like a bunch of letters and numbers to me.
[23:13] <cosmosis> So at this point I should reboot the cd select no modeset and then do install and hopefully it should work?
[23:14] <escott> cosmosis, hopefully. you may need to add nomodeset to /etc/default/grub if the installed system has the same problem
[23:14] <cosmosis> ok thanks for the advice holstein and escott... will give it a shot
[23:16] <dluzius> holstein, that is way beyond my capabilities
[23:17] <holstein> dluzius: usually, i choose my battles with unsupported hardware
[23:17] <holstein> maybe try a couple different kernels live.. like the 10.04 live CD
[23:17] <holstein> and decide from there if you want to just live with it, or mess with it later
[23:18] <dluzius> ok, tks for all your time and help
[23:22] <Max_Stone> Sorry, I know I put that in an awkward place


[10:17] <madjoe> Hi, could you help me to report a bug - what package is responsible for login screen after you suspend vanilla Ubuntu 15.10? Is it unity-greeter?
[10:19] <madjoe> Or is it lightdm?
[11:04] <yuehan> hi
[11:04] <yuehan> Can this Bug #1548088 be set to Confirm and forwarded Upstream ?
[11:06] <yuehan> I believe it needs to be also set to Wishlist


[00:32] <festerB> hiya all, not new to linux but on my first day in xubuntu land, loving the lightness of if so far, any recommended must todo's on a clean insstall?
[00:33] <Unit193> "Install the applications you want to use, change the configuration to what you like"?
[00:34] <festerB> well gee whiz luise!;-)
[00:35] <festerB> whats your fav version of vim for xfce?
[00:35] <festerB> terminal only
[00:36] <Unit193> I seem to have the standard version, 'vim'.  Preferences will change per user, I know I have some oddball packages installed and in use. :)
[00:37] <gopar> festerB, have you ever tried emacs? ;) (Flame war? :D
[00:38] <festerB> i went all out with vim-gtk3-py2 - feels ok
[00:39] <festerB> gopar: to late for me, flames that is - yawn
[00:40] <gopar> festerB, haha I get ya. I never understood the point of the "war". Shouldn't we just be happy we're using effective tools? Meh
[00:41] <festerB> a tool for a job etc, aight
[15:31] <xubuntu29w> i'm creating a bootable usb for dual booting windows 10 (reluctantly) and 16.04.1. Should I format the usb to FAT32, exFAT, or NTFS?
[15:31] <xubuntu29w> I don't want to run into issues during the install
[15:32] <xubuntu29w> I'll be using Rufus to create this USB image
[16:32] <xubuntu51w> I need help. I'm dual booting Windows 10 and 16.04.1 from a single HDD. When I set-up Xubuntu, can I select the full-disk encryption option or will that not work with / mess up the Windows OS?
[16:33] <tmsbrg> xubuntu51w, I'm pretty sure full disk encryption erases the whole disk
[16:34] <xubuntu51w> So it is only an option for those installing from a new disk?
[16:34] <xubuntu51w> Or if you are re-formatting?
[16:35] <tmsbrg> yes
[16:35] <xubuntu51w> Okay, I guess the next best option would be encrypting the /home folder.
[16:35] <tmsbrg> yes
[16:36] <xubuntu51w> Should I partition my unallocated space manually or use the "install Xubuntu alongsie Windows"
[16:36] <xubuntu51w>  option
[16:37] <tmsbrg> it is probably also possible to encrypt your whole xubuntu partition without breaking windows but I'm pretty sure the standard option doesn't do it like that, you'd have to look up how to do it manually
[16:37] <xubuntu51w> Okay, I'll do it post-install.
[16:38] <xubuntu51w> My concern is running into issues during the xubuntu installation. I don't know if it would be safer to partition myself or use the default option.
[16:38] <tmsbrg> install xubuntu alongside windows is easiest and should allow you to encrypt your home directory
[16:38] <xubuntu51w> Thanks
[16:38] <tmsbrg> I'd always backup your data before installing OSes
[16:38] <tmsbrg> so that if anything goes wrong it's an inconvenience but not a big deal
[16:39] <tmsbrg> that said in my experience "install alongside .." has always worked pretty well
[16:40] <xubuntu51w> I backed up. Plus the current Windows install has nothing on it except firefox and 1 proprietary application I am required to use. That's the only reason why I'm dual booting in the first place. I hate windows.
[16:40] <xubuntu51w> This application does not work in a VM either. So dual boot is the only way.
[16:41] <tmsbrg> xubuntu51w, the bane of every linux user, windows-only programs
[16:42] <tmsbrg> luckily I have none I need to use at the moment but I know how annoying it is
[16:43] <xubuntu51w> Yeah. I switched to xubuntu from windows full time last year and have been running it as the only OS on my system until now.
[16:44] <xubuntu51w> Dual booting really takes away from the experience (and HDD space)
[17:36] <xubuntu55w> okay, so I finished dual booting windows 10 and 16.04.1. Something I've noticed is that the windows partition is visible in thunar, but the xubuntu partition is not visible in windows explorer.
[17:37] <xubuntu55w> Also, when I try to access/mount the windows volume in xubuntu (using thunar) I receive an error.
[17:37] <xubuntu55w> Is this error because the windows volume is NTFS?
[17:37] <bekks> Windows cant mount, read, whatever Non-Windows-Partitions.
[17:37] <bekks> And there is no way to change that.
[17:37] <xubuntu55w> ok
[17:38] <xubuntu55w> Can ubuntu not read the ntfs windows partition?
[17:38] <xubuntu55w> Thus the error in thunar
[17:38] <bekks> Ubuntu can read NTFS, but your Windows cant read your Linux partitions.
[17:38] <bekks> Thats what you said above.
[17:39] <xubuntu55w> so why do can't I mouny the windows partition from xubuntu
[17:39] <xubuntu55w> *why can't
[17:41] <xubuntu55w> actually the windows volume seems to be mounting now
[17:41] <xubuntu55w> I don
[17:41] <xubuntu55w> I don't want to mess with it though, so would accessing the windows files from xubuntu be bad for the windows OS?
[17:41] <knome> windows system files, yes
[17:42] <knome> your personal files, np
[17:42] <knome> *no
[17:42] <xubuntu55w> So can I transfer personal files between OSs from xubuntu if I wish to without error?
[17:43] <knome> as said before, windows can't read non-windows file systems, so not from windows, but other than that, yes
[17:43] <xubuntu55w> On second thought, I'm rarely going to be using the windows OS anyway. Can I hide the volume from showing up in thunar so I don't have to deal with it?
[17:45] <knome> you can at least edit your fstab to stop it from mounting automatically
[17:45] <knome> !fstab
[17:46] <xubuntu55w> thanks
[17:47] <xubuntu55w> have a good one
[18:32] <how2installkeypa> How do I install keypassx from the terminal?
[18:33] <how2installkeypa> Is there an official ppa
[18:38] <how2installkeypa> it isn't in the gnome software center
[18:56] <xubuntu85wgg> grub rescue attempt to read or write outside of disk
[18:56] <xubuntu85wgg> после установки
[18:57] <xubuntu85wgg> что делать?????????????
[22:04] <xubuntu55w> I chose the option to encrypt my /home folder at installation and was prompted with my passphrase when I first logged in. However, I can access my home folder without the passphrase...what did I do wrong?
[22:05] <xubuntu55w> I can't find a gui tool to change the encryption settings, so I'm not sure how to get it running.
[22:11] <xubuntu55w> does anyone know the name of the encryption tool so that I can look up an online guide?
[22:35] <xubuntu55w> how do I configure home folder encrption if I selected it during the install
[22:39] <Rarrikins> xubuntu55w: Whenever you're logged in, your home directory will be unencrypted.
[22:39] <Rarrikins> xubuntu55w: If you want it encrypted, log out.
[22:42] <xubuntu55w> Oh, I was under the impression that accessing the home directory would require a passphrase (even when logged in)
[22:43] <knome> that would be kind of silly as it's read by applications all the time
[22:43] <xubuntu55w> Yeah that's true
[22:43] <knome> if you want to further encrypt *some* data, there are ways to do that
[22:44] <xubuntu55w> I wanted to do full-disk encryption but I have to dual boot w/ windows unfortunately
[22:44] <xubuntu55w> as soon as I can run just xubuntu I will reformat and encrypt fully
[23:28] <xubuntu96i> ?
[23:34] <knome> !
[23:41] <ordinate> i am having problems
[23:42] <knome> shall we call a doctor?
[23:42] <ordinate> xubuntu 16.06 soft locks after logging in
[23:42] <knome> there is no xubuntu 16.06, do you mean 16.04?
[23:42] <ordinate> mistype
[23:42] <ordinate> yep
[23:42] <knome> what do you mean by "soft lock"?
[23:42] <ordinate> all i get is a light blue screen and the mouse pointer
[23:42] <ordinate> i can move the mouse pointer all around, but nothing is happening
[23:42] <knome> does this happen with a guest account?
[23:43] <ordinate> ctrl-alt-f3 works
[23:43] <ordinate> yes
[23:44] <ordinate> also since installing xubuntu my win10 partition thinks it's 5 hours ahead but that's neither here nor there
[23:47] <ordinate> the black bar up top is there before login, but then it disappears
[23:54] <xubuntu09i> hola
[23:55] <knome> hello


[01:45] <len-dt> ailo, http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-July/085677.html this looks promising.
[01:47] <len-dt> If jack/alsa can see all the input tracks on the R16 or R24, that would add to the list of USB units that just work
[01:48] <len-dt> The R8 is 2i/o but the 16/24 are 8in/2out
[01:50] <len-dt> What does make me a little leery of things is the suggestion on the zoom web site that two units can be synced via USB... to within 2ms
[01:51] <len-dt> I guess they are talking time code sync, not audio. Don't put stereo across the two machines.
[01:51] <len-dt> Oh and the syncing is only for stand alone use.
[01:52] <len-dt> My local music store doesn't have them so I can't try.
[01:59] <ailo> len-dt: It's usb 1.1, so that explains it
[01:59] <len-dt> 24 bit?
[02:00] <ailo> The R8 doesn't require drivers as far as I can see
[02:00] <ailo> I'll check the manual
[02:00] <len-dt> says it requires a USB2.0 port.
[02:03] <len-dt> The manual is a long downlaod
[02:04] <ailo> It is
[02:06] <ailo> len-dt: I found something about a driver now..
[02:07] <ailo> http://www.zoom.co.jp/downloads/r8/software/
[02:07] <ailo> It says it offers lower latency being ASIO
[02:07] <ailo> So, maybe not actually needed for full functionality
[02:14] <ailo> len-dt: I'm starting a list here, but not putting links for it anywhere yet. Would like to go through a bunch of known devices and add them first
[02:14] <ailo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/SupportedHardware/ListOfSupportedUSBDevices
[02:28] <ailo> len-dt: Reading the manual. It wasy 96kHz/24 bits, but haven't got to how and when
[02:29] <ailo> Also, seems like a great tool
[02:29] <ailo> Has sampler builtin, and sequencing
[02:29] <ailo> If you don't mind its' interface
[02:29] <len-dt> ailo, seems good to use away from the computer for sure.
[02:31] <ailo> But it says if you import stuff into it, it can only handle up to 48kHz
[02:31] <ailo> And on Mac, no driver needed
[02:31] <ailo> So, I don't know
[02:33] <ailo> The trouble with jack is that you don't know if it's actually running in 24 bits
[02:33] <ailo> Even if you are using that for your project on whatever software you use
[02:34] <len-dt> Wed Jul 11 19:38:31 2012: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian
[02:34] <len-dt> This from the jack log
[02:34] <ailo> There is a way to know, but I have forgotten. Thinking about implementing that to -controls.
[02:34] <len-dt> That is for the d66
[02:34] <ailo> len-dt: Yes, but that's not what the card is doing
[02:35] <ailo> Knowing what sample rate the card is working at is what I mean
[02:35] <ailo> I mean, bit rate
[02:35] <len-dt> With my USB1.1 device it says 16  bit
[02:36] <len-dt> I can't remember what it says with my HD internal.
[02:37] <ailo> If that is so, then that would do it
[02:37] <ailo> I just remember asking las about it, and he gave me a hint
[02:38] <ailo> It says 32 bits for me too, but my card only supports 24 bits, and I don't think there is still a device that supports more
[02:38] <len-dt> I wonder if L&M would rent me their R24... (I can't aford to buy one.)
[02:39] <ailo> I could probably try a lot of devices here.
[02:39] <ailo> Just need to prepare something, so I can store the results
[02:39] <ailo> And get my finger out of my ..
[02:39] <ailo> There are plenty of shops around
[02:39] <len-dt> It may be that alsa uses 32 bit for anything bigger than 16
[02:39] <ailo> I think so
[02:40] <len-dt> I think Ardour uses 32bit internal too no matter what the input is.
[02:40] <len-dt> floating point?
[02:42] <ailo> Yes
[02:42] <ailo> Usually you can choose between 16, 24 and 32
[02:42] <ailo> But when you set the device, it's either 16 or 24
[02:47] <len-dt> It is interesting:•	 USB hubs are not supported.
[02:47] <len-dt> •	 Intel® chipsets recommended.
[02:47] <len-dt> I wonder if they are talking about the USB chip set
[03:04] <len-dt> just to confirm:
[03:04] <len-dt> Wed Jul 11 20:08:51 2012: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
[03:05] <len-dt> ailo, That is my USB1.1 device
[03:05] <ailo> Cool
[03:06] <len-dt> My old ensoniq is the same.
[03:06] <ailo> I'm really getting too little done right now. I was hoping to finish this puredata project (or at least wrap the major part up) within this week, but it just keeps draggin on
[03:07] <ailo> The problem is, I can't find the peace of mind to do anything else until it's done
[03:07] <ailo> But it doesn't help trying too hard either
[03:07] <len-dt> ailo, the heat is getting to me, I end up coming home and sleeping.
[03:07] <ailo> Just has the opposite effect
[03:08] <ailo> Well, no need to worry too much. Just try to relax and have a bit of fun
[03:09] <ailo> I would probably share the project with other people, but I don't think I will be able to get even one other person to help on it, or not very easily
[03:10] <ailo> len-dt: Have some lime drink. I usually like that on a hot day
[03:10] <ailo> Think I'm going for a run soon. bbl
[03:19] <len-dt> ailo, I'm ok now, it is just after a 3 hour fast walk with weight, I'm done for a bit
[04:28] <ailo> I can imagine that will make you hot :)
[05:02] <len-dt> I look for sprinklers