 Luvirus then?
 and papilubus?
 (Photo, 1280x1240) https://i.imgur.com/KKfybie.jpg So, I'm new :) and I started working: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T93 .  I'm trying to make these mailing list pages look a little better, so if anyone has any feedback on how to improve it, I'd be appreciative.  As it stands, I'm just trying to make it look more like the lubuntu.me w
 still got a way to go, because this HTML is from like Web v0.5
 Good work thus far!
[02:20] <kc2bez> I agree. It looks much better.
 nice!
 Maybe that's just the screenshot, but you might want to consider looking at margins
 This might be personal taste too, but perhaps a darker theme could be used for the background (not white). Ultimately it's up to you
 Most of the stuff that has no margins is because I removed a lot of them so it'd draw to the edges.  the majority of that page (that hasn't been fixed yet) is still a part of a giant table, so the formatting is off—I'm fixing that slowly.
 Alright, sounds good, thanks!
 Your work is absolutely appreciated :)
 Well, it's fun too.  It's nice to work on stuff you WANT to work on :P
 For sure :D
 @paintface07 [<reply to image>], Looks noiiiice!
 *thumbs up*
 @teward001 any ideas on how I can clean my system of the unnecessary build-deps of the packages I have built ?
 Or anyone else has any ideas?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@teward001 any ideas on how I can clean my system of the unnecessary build-deps …], Nope as they're manually installed, not a dependency of another package.
 Development packages are minimal anyway.
 uys
 Guys
 So my family owns a boat in Greenwood Lake but in some parts there is Algae Bloom
 They are saying there might be parts we can swim because the Algae isnt there
 Should I risk swimming
 Oh shoot
 Wrong server
 L0L
 Sorry
 @justinzobel [Nope as they're manually installed, not a dependency of another package.], This is why I wanted something that logs everything in terminal. That way I could uninstall them later.
 Does anyone want a project to do?
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/ci7xam/is_there_any_advantage_to_using_lubuntu_over/ev62v6n?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
 Basically, someone should look into and write some clear documentation on how the ISO verification process works (using the boot option)
 From there, I'd like to explore the feasibility of switching away from MD5
 And maybe talk with sec to see how much of a concern we're talking about here, and if the work is worth the result
 I will admit it's not the easiest project here, but I'll have to do it if someone else doesn't
[16:32] <TJ-> tsimonq2: "sed -i '/md5sums/checksums/' https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ "
 Well, mainly what I would like to look into is, in which step is this generated and where is the tooling that does the verification?
[16:36] <TJ-> I thought verification was the manual user steps? For all the Ubuntu versions the instructions and linking to multiple wiki pages and having to know which releases.ubuntu.com links to follow are extremely user hostile
[16:52] <wxl> @justinzobel that looks SO pro.
[16:54] <kc2bez> wxl: you referring to the mailing list page?
[16:54] <wxl> yup
 Still working on it wxl: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5000/list-info-out
[16:55] <kc2bez> Oh that is Kevin. @paintface07
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/U08hUaQ.jpg
 Otherwise it looks amazing :)
 yeah, I'm getting there :P
 Ok :)
 mobile testing hasn't been done yet.  lol
 @tsimonq2 - that any better?
 nope...
[20:19] <kc2bez> wxl: You need to fire me! I'm a bobo head.
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/cimqtk/feedbackama_thread_for_julyaugust_2019/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
 @kc2bez Let me know if you need help merging + uploading https://phab.lubuntu.me/D24
 I will need help, yes.
 To upload to Ubuntu, as a reminder, `debuild -S -d [-sa]` (`-sa` to include the orig tar), and then just as you would a PPA, do `dput ubuntu /path/to/source.changes`
 Once uploaded, you should get an email saying it was accepted.
 Once you get that acceptance email, tag with `ubuntu/VERSION_NUMBER`
 In `VERSION_NUMBER`, you might have to replace `:` with `%`.
 I'll be around for the rest of the night if you want any kind of handholding. :)
 My first upload felt scary, but once you get the hang of it, it's a piece of cake
 Oh, and I *think* wxl documented how to land a revision. It's been a while for me, so I'd have to check the docs to guide you on that
 Protip: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/eoan-changes exists. I'm subscribed to it, and I just have new emails go to a different folder, so I'll also get an email when you upload.
 That's one of the first things I do in a new cycle: subscribe to the -changes list.
 Ok. I will probably be able to get back to that in about an hour or so. I will read through what you sent and ping you with questions.
 Sounds good, thanks!
 Ooh, and I see you filed the task too. It's super satisfying to be able to take a problem all the way from reporting to landing. :D
 Good work :)
 Thanks.
 @HMollerCl I'm going to go through your notifier package with my fine-toothed comb now.
 If it looks good, I'll upload it.
 Have you tested that uploading it to a PPA both builds, and once installed, works?
 Aha, I see a PPA
 I installed it from the ppa and it worked for me. I think wxl did too.
 Sweet.
 Did you have to do anything to make the autostart functionality work properly?
 Or did it Just Work?
 It just worked.
 Restart sesion
 After startup it indicated I had updates.
[21:38] <wxl[m]> Dan see the packaging tutorial
 NICE.
 Will do Walter.
[21:38] <wxl[m]> I documented our side of things because I would always forget
 Good to know.
 @HMollerCl https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97
 That's really the only code-related thing I can see.
 @HMollerCl (cc wxl @kc2bez @aptghetto because there's some good things to note in here): https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98
[22:08] <tsimonq2> Some words to live by when checking a package: "Make Lintian run like your sponsors: evil and pedantic."
[22:09] <tsimonq2> `-EvIL +pedantic` are the flags I always use.
[22:09] <tsimonq2> (Of course, it's tongue-in-cheek, unless you really think I'm evil and pedantic, in which case it's an easy way to remember it... :P)
[22:13] <tsimonq2> I'm taking Phab down for some maintenance. I expect it to be back up within the hour.
[22:22] <tsimonq2> Phab is back up.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://secure.phabricator.com/w/changelog/2019.16/ https://secure.phabricator.com/w/changelog/2019.17/ https://secure.phabricator.com/w/changelog/2019.21/ https://secure.phabricator.com/w/changelog/2019.25/
[22:23] <tsimonq2> Those are the interesting changes.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> Specifically, dashboards are now MUCH easier to edit, and repository importing is now smarter.
 @lynorian Please be aware that your Git settings are not set
 So you're pushing with an invalid email address and a new name
 I would recommend fixing that and force-pushing
 I can roll back prod, just say the word
[22:25] <tsimonq2> Restarted Lugito.
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 @kc2bez How's the merge + upload coming along?
 Umm haven't started XD
 ok XD
 lmk
 I will.
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 Had to educate the kids on how to make dinner. I will get back to you soon.
 It's all good :)
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 @The_LoudSpeaker [This is why I wanted something that logs everything in terminal. That way I coul …], Like `~/.bash_history`?
 @wxl [<wxl> @justinzobel that looks SO pro.], Eh?
 @justinzobel [Eh?], EWRONGPERSON
 @tsimonq2 [EWRONGPERSON], Ah
[23:18] <wxl[m]> Weird don't know how I got that confused
[23:19] <wxl[m]> <wxl[m] "Weird don't know how I got that "> Probably because most of my backlog is filled mostly with quotes of old telegram messages 🙄
[23:19] <kc2bez> wxl[m]: I mean you had the right channel. XD
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 @aptghetto Merging https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23 but see my comment about the SRU bug desc
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 @The_LoudSpeaker [@teward001 any ideas on how I can clean my system of the unnecessary build-deps …], when you manually install them, not really
 you'd have to grep your logs in /etc/apt/* to find the packages you installed then manually remove them
 I usually use LXD containers to spin envs when i need to temporarily have environments which need special build requisites
 even during source package building


[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[11:08] <MetalGodWin> Hello, (Hope i found the right place?) What section does my app belong to if it's a development tool? I need to fill that in in the control file during packaging.
[11:10] <JainAmber> MetalGodWin, The list of sections is here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/
[11:10] <MetalGodWin> JainAmber: Thank you
[11:14] <JainAmber> MetalGodWin, See description for line2: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#control
[11:15] <JainAmber> Also, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[11:16] <MetalGodWin> JainAmber I came to the conclusion that my app belongs to devel. Thanks again :)
[11:21] <MechanisM> I'm did apt-get source somepackage, modified it and wanna generate deb from it. how to do it?
[11:21] <MechanisM> and also did apt-get build-dep somepackage
[11:23] <arand> MechanisM: Normally you'd use debuild (or dpkg-buildpackage)
[11:23] <MechanisM> which command I should pass?
[11:24] <MechanisM> ok did it
[11:26] <MechanisM> btw can I build on 32 bit ubuntu debs for all and for 64 bit ubuntu?
[11:27] <MechanisM> like I seen some packages called packagename-all.deb or packagename-amd64.deb etc
[11:28] <astraljava> MechanisM: You cannot build 64-bit packages on 32-bit systems. But the -all is another thing, it means that same package can be utilized on all archs, ie. it's arch independent.
[11:29] <MechanisM> okay, thanx a lot. btw currently I'm on 12.10 x32 but I have also 64bit 12.04 can I build 32/64 both on 64 bit os?
[11:30] <directhex> yes, but it needs a little bit of setting up
[11:30] <MechanisM> I have ia32libs and all related things
[11:31] <MechanisM> ok thank you guys I'll investigate on this issue later. just wanted to make sure.
[11:31] <directhex> you can't build a 32-bit version from "inside" the 64-bit os. you need a minimal 32-bit environment available, e.g. as provided by pbuilder-dist
[11:31] <directhex> it'll just create a 32-bit os tarball, and use that as a build environment. it's easy once you get it going
[11:31] <MechanisM> okay. I'll check this when I'll be booted into 64 bit os
[11:32] <directhex> remember that you only need different 32 bit or 64-bit packages if your code isn't cross-platform (i.e. it's C or C++ or similar)
[11:32] <directhex> python or perl or java or c#, you should only need one "all" package
[11:33] <MechanisM> mine is python with c bindings
[11:50] <MetalGodWin> I'm unable to start my app once i've installed it to my system. It's written in python, anything else I should think of than following the guide @http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html
[11:51] <Zhenech> posting the error you see when you try to execute the app from the shell might hekp
[11:51] <Zhenech> help*
[11:51] <Laney> #ubuntu-app-devel is probably better
[11:53] <MetalGodWin> only a can't find msg if I run the command <appname>. Tried python <appname> then it says it cant find the__main__ class
[11:54] <MetalGodWin> could it be that i've used capital letters for the .py files? My app-name is installed with a lowercase name or how you should put it
[11:54] <MetalGodWin> Laney: thank i will try that
[13:06] <nhandler> Does anyone know where the little icons on https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=rhythmbox are pulled from?
[13:19] <chris_> i see a lot  prerequisite articles to read before becoming so immerged in this MOTU stuff :)
[14:49] <MetalGodWin> I don't get any answer from the logged in ones at app-devel..  I've been stuck at packaging my python app for hours now. Read and tried several how-to guides, nothing works. Could really use some help.
[16:10] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone would sponsor the fix for bug  958305 for precise.
[16:35] <stgraber> ScottK: done
[16:35] <ScottK> stgraber: Thanks.
[16:38] <lewtds> Hi, I'm trying to package a software that uses waf as the build system. But when using pbuilder to build, when it calls waf, the command fails with this message "ImportError: No module named tarfile" (Python module). What should I do?
[16:38] <ScottK> Accepted.
[16:38] <ScottK> lewtds: The best option is convince upstream not to use waf.
[16:39] <lewtds> that would be too extreme. Why is the tarfile module not imported? I thought that one is built
[16:39] <lewtds> -in
[16:41] <lewtds> it builds fine outside of pbuilder thouh
[16:43] <ScottK> waf is generally regarded as a less than sane build system.
[16:44] <ScottK> Do you build-depend on python?
[16:44] <ScottK> The tarfile module is part of python2.7/3.2.
[16:47] <lewtds> Thanks, I'd probably try adding it.
[16:48] <lewtds> The codebase is in Vala. Do you have any suggestion on which build system that goes well with Vala without too much hassle?
[16:50] <ScottK> No.  I've never done any vala, but !waf
[16:51] <tumbleweed> ewww, waf
[16:51] <lewtds> thanks, adding python2.7 dependency did the trick!
[16:51] <Laney> ScottK: fancy processing the backports waiting in $queues?
[16:52] <tumbleweed> err, you should rather be depending on python than python2.7
[17:05] <ScottK> Laney: Did precise.
[17:06] <Laney> I uploaded some to lucid too
[17:15] <ScottK> Laney: Those are done too.
[17:16] <Laney> thanks
[17:17] <Laney> ScottK: NEW too :-)
[17:17] <ScottK> OK.  I'll look there too.
[17:17] <Laney> Just because I know how much you like using this new tool
[17:18] <ScottK> Heh.
[20:43]  * tumbleweed 's INBOX is under a haskell seige today
[20:43] <Laney> ?!?!?!
[20:44] <Laney> that's me wondering what I missed
[20:44] <ajmitch> is laney breaking something again?
[20:44] <Laney> adconrad broke it. not me. nuh uh.
[21:59] <Laney> seems someone is doing a transition
[21:59] <Laney> this seems unwise.
[22:52] <directhex> doesn't ghc support linked libraries yet?
[22:56] <Laney> in a rudimentary way


[02:55] <Trevinho> hey duflu, when you've a sec can you please update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1779615 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1767648 to be SRU compliant?
[02:55] <Trevinho> and even https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1772677
[02:56] <Trevinho> [ for those that are already upstreamed there's no need for direct verification, but still the schema has to be respected ]
[02:56] <duflu> Trevinho, yes. What about disco getting the fixes tho?
[02:57] <Trevinho> duflu: I've done the work at debian, so we'll sync it once we get it uploaded
[02:57] <duflu> Trevinho, I shall try to remember to update them today
[02:57] <Trevinho> duflu: see https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/merge_requests
[02:58] <Trevinho> I've to rebase our gnome-shell on debian experimental too, but I'll do it tomorrow I guess, although I wanted to have things lanted in debian first..
[02:58] <Trevinho> so we've debian -> disco -> SRU
[02:59] <Trevinho> not the fastest way, but the best to have everything around
[04:15] <duflu> Trevinho, all SRU text written for those 3 bugs, although I need some assistance from the community completing bug 1772677
[07:23] <didrocks> good morning
[07:24] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:25] <duflu> It must be time for me to water the flowers then :)
[07:26] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:26] <didrocks> heh
[07:55] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:14] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:14] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:39] <seb128> k, back, good morning desktopers
[08:53] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:53] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme?
[08:53] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va, et toi?
[08:53] <seb128> ça va :)
[08:57] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, seb128
[08:58] <seb128> hey duflu
[09:00] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[09:02] <Laney> hark
[09:02] <willcooke> moin
[09:03] <duflu> morn Laney, willcooke
[09:04] <kostadin[m]> Hello desktop team. I filed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/+bug/1812780 today, let me know if I can help with more details or testing. Thank you
[09:07] <duflu> kostadin[m], done :)
[09:08] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, willcooke
[09:09] <Laney> greetings one and all
[09:10] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, trevinho, andyrock, the keyboard indicator/layout missing, it's apparently a fallout from the fix for bug #1765304 (see recent comments)
[09:17] <oSoMoN> urgh
[09:19] <oSoMoN> I have the issue on cosmic, so it should be easy to confirm that this is what caused the regression
[09:21] <willcooke> could that be related to the missing OSK keys too I wonder
[09:23] <oSoMoN> interesting, I'm not seeing it in a clean and up-to-date cosmic VM
[09:23] <duflu> I saw that today but marked it as a duplicate of an older bug
[09:23] <duflu> Lemme see
[09:24] <duflu> -older +newer :)
[09:26] <duflu> OK, it is new (bug 1812266)
[09:34] <kostadin[m]> duflu: thanks you and sorry for the duplicate! I followed the steps and this should have the crash log https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1812827
[09:34] <duflu> kostadin[m], thanks but I can't see that. Is it a private bug?
[09:35] <duflu> I should be able to see private bugs though
[09:35] <kostadin[m]> it does say it's private but I don't know how to make it public
[09:35] <kostadin[m]> I created it using ubuntu-bug _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash
[09:35] <duflu> kostadin[m], top right of the page?
[09:36] <kostadin[m]> done
[09:36] <seb128> kostadin[m], duflu, bugs are private until retraced
[09:40] <duflu> More private than the private that I can see :)
[09:40] <duflu> OK then I should have waited
[09:40] <kostadin[m]> anyway i set it to public now
[09:43] <duflu> kostadin[m], thanks. I have added the missing information from your crash report to the main bug 1812527 so we can keep using that
[09:45] <duflu> Looks like a simple case of meta_window_actor_is_destroyed only understands partially destroyed objects. If you give it NULL then it crashes.
[10:18] <seb128> jbicha, "he latest xdg-desktop-portal depends on libflatpak (part of the flapak source) which depends on ostree."
[10:19] <seb128> shouldn't that has been discussed *before* syncing the new portal versions?
[10:19] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, ^ btw
[10:21] <seb128> Laney, "we need to get dnsmasq to migrate", is that what make nm.py fail in the current autopkgtest tries?
[10:22] <Laney> probably
[10:22] <seb128> good
[10:30] <jamesh> seb128: this almost looks like it is just for a set of enumerations and a function function to register a GError domain
[10:31] <seb128> jamesh, that sounds like it should be easy to remove the depends then :)
[10:31] <seb128> jamesh, btw weekly summary reminder!
[10:31] <jamesh> seb128: https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/blob/master/common/flatpak-portal-error.c <- this in particular
[10:59] <k_alam> seb128: Hi
[10:59] <popey> This is odd.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1812841
[11:01] <seb128> k_alam, hey
[11:02] <seb128> popey, could be that the env is different
[11:02] <popey> yeah, weird
[11:02] <k_alam> seb128: Can you approve landing of gnote-scope ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+queue?queue_state=0
[11:03] <seb128> k_alam, I need to review it, adding to my todo for later
[11:06] <k_alam> Thanks. The bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1810729
[11:48] <Trevinho> Hi!
[11:49] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, I noticed and in fact I've cherry picked another commit in the proposed shell sru...
[11:49] <seb128> trevinho, good :)
[11:49] <seb128> and hey trevinho!
[11:49] <seb128> going back to a tz which is more like you? ;)
[12:43] <seb128> jamesh, weekly summary? ;)
[12:48] <seb128> fossfreedom, hey, thx for debugging that rb/german segfault issue, but "Disable column moving for non-english locales" sounds like a workaround and not a fix/something we want to really commit right?
[12:49] <seb128> fossfreedom, or at least it's  a temporary hack until we fix the binding/toolkit bug ... do you have a testcase that triggers the segfault?
[12:53] <jbicha> seb128: sure but it wasn't obvious that xdg-desktop-portal had a new binary dependency
[12:54] <seb128> jbicha, k, I guess it's an easy error to make
[12:54] <jbicha> "d/control: Build-depend on flatpak, for permission-store test"
[12:54] <jbicha> I thought it was only a test dependency :(
[12:56] <seb128> yeah, that sounds misleading
[12:58] <jbicha> so I guess our first step is to ask upstream to revert the dependency?
[13:01] <jbicha> at least the same developer figured out a way around it when I asked for it for gnome-control-center's Applications panel so it's possible 🤞
[13:04] <seb128> jbicha, yeah, see jamesh's comment earlier, that shouldn't be too difficult
[13:07] <seb128> jbicha, also just curious but why/how is hosting tarballs on gitlab rather than launchpad an improvement? do we really care where upstream puts the files we download?
[13:09] <jbicha> I only mentioned it because I was talking to mterry this week and helped answer his questions and talk through what he was wanting to do anyway
[13:10] <seb128> k
[13:10] <seb128> good to see him back on hacking in deja-dup btw :)
[13:11] <seb128> (brb, changing location)
[13:28] <jbicha> Laney: do you think we should close bug 1763628 since it works in Disco? is it worth an SRU to fix the autopkgtest on Bionic?
[14:02] <Laney> jbicha: dunno, ask the SRU team what they want I guess
[14:03] <jbicha> ok
[14:10] <fossfreedom_> seb128: re rhythmbox - as far as I can see it is GTK/RB blowing its lid - from the trace provided there isn't anything special.  Python is not doing anything extraordinary here - RB is (as far as I can tell) forcing a fixed view.  Moving columns isn't a RB capability anyway - just something I threw in during development.
[14:21] <mpt> andyrock, willcooke: Hi, is putting Livepatch in Ubiquity still relevant? https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/desktop-design/issues/50 Or is that obsolete given current installer plans?
[14:21] <gitbot> CanonicalLtd issue 50 in desktop-design "Livepatch in the desktop installer" [Priority: Medium, Open]
[14:22] <andyrock> mpt: I guess it's no longer relevant since we moved it to g-i-s ?
[14:22] <willcooke> mpt, oooh. Yeah, I think it can be dropped now.  We have a good integration in g-i-s now, and I think that works better
[14:29] <mpt> andyrock, willcooke: Thanks, I’ve closed it.
[14:29] <willcooke> thanks mpt
[14:30] <willcooke> meeting time
[14:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-01-22
[14:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 22 14:31:19 2019 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <andyrock> o/
[14:31] <jbicha> o/
[14:31] <oSoMoN>    \o
[14:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (conf)
[14:31] <seb128>  hey
[14:31] <Trevinho> o/
[14:32] <kenvandine> \o
[14:32] <didrocks> hey
[14:33] <willcooke> Let's start
[14:33] <willcooke> A couple of things to discuss at the end, but let's look at bugs first:
[14:33] <willcooke> bb incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:34] <willcooke> One new one from today about behaviours in g-s
[14:34] <willcooke> s = Software
[14:34] <willcooke> Seems annoying, but not a rls issue IMO
[14:34] <willcooke> +1s / -1s?
[14:35] <kenvandine> willcooke: that is puzzling
[14:35] <seb128> I'm the one who tagged it but I'm neutral, it's not that important at the OS level imho but it's annoying if we want the snap experience to be great
[14:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:36] <seb128> if the website is a primary access to the store/snaps and clicking on it gives a buggy experience it sucks
[14:36] <didrocks> agreed
[14:36] <oSoMoN> yes
[14:36] <kenvandine> seb128: i'll take a look at it
[14:37] <seb128> thx kenvandine
[14:37] <willcooke> oki
[14:37] <willcooke> targetted and assigned
[14:38] <willcooke> BB rls tracking: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:38] <willcooke> This one I targetted by accident, so could be untargetted:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1809788
[14:39] <seb128> do you know how much the oem teams cares about it?
[14:39] <willcooke> Enough to email me, but I dont know if they've been asked to fix it.  I will find outl
[14:39] <seb128> thx
[14:40] <willcooke> kenvandine, this one has sat for a while now:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1742997
[14:40] <seb128> the issue with deleting a target is that you can't add it back again (unless that changed/got fixed on launchpad)
[14:40] <willcooke> Could you poke Robert
[14:41] <kenvandine> i will
[14:41] <kenvandine> i plan to check on the status of snapd-glib and gnome-software SRUs anyway
[14:42] <willcooke> tkamppeter, do you need any help with this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-filters/+bug/1763520
[14:42] <willcooke> CC incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:42] <willcooke> all clear
[14:42] <willcooke> CC tracking:
[14:43] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:43] <willcooke> All looks ok
[14:43] <willcooke> DD incoming:
[14:43] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:44] <willcooke> clear
[14:44] <willcooke> DD tracking:
[14:44] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:44] <willcooke> all good.
[14:44] <willcooke> Proposed migrations: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:45] <willcooke> We need someone to look at the emacs one.
[14:45] <willcooke> oh, sorry, Laney - do you want to drive?
[14:45] <seb128> I did for emacs, it's on foundations
[14:45] <Laney> seb filed a bug about that, punted it to another team
[14:46] <willcooke> cool
[14:46] <willcooke> thanks
[14:46] <willcooke> anything else in the list which we should jump on?
[14:46] <didrocks> seb128: doko pinged me about emacs on the MIR meeting though
[14:46] <Laney> udisks2 colord
[14:46] <seb128> didrocks, to ask?
[14:46] <didrocks> seb128: what we do with the MIR
[14:46] <didrocks> well
[14:47] <seb128> what MIR?
[14:47] <jbicha> Laney: we just need to update the i386 hint for colord
[14:47] <seb128> Laney, I can look at udisks2
[14:47] <didrocks> seb128: sorry, he asked me to try to unblock it from proposed
[14:47] <didrocks> so, the message didn't go through the foundation team (at least, not everyone)
[14:47] <seb128> didrocks, ah, tell him to review their rls-dd-incoming bugs :p
[14:47] <didrocks> heh
[14:48] <Laney> actually he referenced https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:48] <seb128> let me tell him on devel
[14:48] <Laney> which does list emacs
[14:48] <seb128> ah
[14:48] <doko> are component mismatches on that list?
[14:49] <tkamppeter> willcooke, the only thiung there is that the GTK packages need to get uploaded. Then the SRU process should go its way.
[14:49] <willcooke> thx tjaalton
[14:49] <willcooke> opps, sorry, thx tkamppeter
[14:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, willcooke, GTK doesn't "only" need to be uploaded, it needs an upstream review first
[14:50] <seb128> doko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/automake-1.16/+bug/1812688 is also blocking emacs (and other things) if you/someone from foundations could have a look
[14:50] <Laney> thx for udisks2
[14:50] <Laney> who wants to take those MIRs or whatever for emacs then?
[14:51] <seb128> I can have a look I guess
[14:51] <willcooke> thx seb128
[14:52] <willcooke> any other concerns on the list Laney?
[14:52] <jbicha> willcooke: weren't you going to ask whether emacs needed to be in main?
[14:52] <seb128> it looks like mailutils should be moved to suggests
[14:52] <seb128> instead of recommends
[14:52] <willcooke> jbicha, I did, it does.
[14:52] <jbicha> cool, thanks
[14:53] <Laney> nothing else today
[14:53] <willcooke> #topic OB
[14:53] <willcooke> jbicha, you wanted to talk about the new portals stuff I think>
[14:53] <willcooke> ?
[14:54] <doko> willcooke: please tell your staff to properly escalate ;)  seb128, you surely need to have the last word everywhere
[14:54] <seb128> willcooke, rls-dd-incoming is the defined process
[14:54] <seb128> ups
[14:54] <seb128> doko, ^
[14:54] <jbicha> willcooke: we discused that some pre-meeting. I filed a bug upstream and was asked to submit a pr for the libflatpak issue
[14:55] <willcooke> k, thx jbicha
[14:55] <kenvandine> jbicha: thanks
[14:55] <kenvandine> i fear libflatpak is going to keep creeping in
[14:56] <didrocks> kenvandine: indeed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flatpak/+bug/1812456 was mentioned in the MIR meeting
[14:56] <kenvandine> same thing nearly happened with g-c-c
[14:56] <jbicha> kenvandine: same developer too :)
[14:57] <didrocks> (MIR currently set as incomplete)
[14:57] <jbicha> I think I should go ahead and close the MIR since it may not be necessary now
[14:57] <kenvandine> jbicha: i just worry this is going to keep happening
[14:58] <willcooke> We can carry this on sfter the meeting ^
[14:58] <willcooke> AOB?
[14:59] <willcooke> 5
[14:59] <willcooke> 4
[14:59] <willcooke> 3,2,1
[14:59] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 22 14:59:43 2019 UTC.
[14:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-01-22-14.31.moin.txt
[14:59] <willcooke> thanks
[14:59] <seb128> thx
[14:59] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:59] <andyrock> thx
[15:00] <didrocks> thx
[15:00] <willcooke> kenvandine, so for those fp ones, do we just need to keep an eye out?
[15:00] <kenvandine> probably
[15:00] <kenvandine> at some point we might want to consider the MIR for libflatpak
[15:00] <kenvandine> just to reduce the pain
[15:01] <jbicha> so leave the MIR as incomplete for now?
[15:01] <jbicha> it needs an ostree MIR anyway
[15:06] <kenvandine> jbicha: yeah
[15:06] <kenvandine> jbicha: but we might want to revisit it at some point
[15:06] <kenvandine> i didn't read all the scrollback, what did jamesh say about that?
[15:08] <jbicha> I think we can adjust xdg-desktop-portal to not require libflatpak so I'm going to work on that this week
[15:10] <kenvandine> jbicha: thanks!
[16:01] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: on yesterdays gnome-menu's update this was in the changelog "debian/gnome-menus.triggers: Drop "gmenucache"."  - what is that?  FYI had a report today that menus have stopped displaying content on UB and I'm trying to narrow down what was changed between yesterday and today
[16:02] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: that trigger is just a remaining diff we have with Debian; it wasn't touched itself
[16:03] <fossfreedom_> ah - ok. cheers
[16:03] <jbicha> have you reproduced the issue yourself yet?
[16:04] <fossfreedom_> waiting for today's daily ISO...
[16:15] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: the most obvious change is that we killed the Sundry menu so I'm guessing you'll need to update Budgie for that. Sorry about that.
[16:16] <fossfreedom_> can't think why we have anything coded for that menu category ... but sure - something to focus on.
[16:18] <jbicha> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=Sundry+package%3Abudgie-desktop
[16:21] <fossfreedom_> intriguing - upstream obviously added that recently - looks like budgie now is hiding that category forceably
[16:49] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[16:49] <jbicha> hi
[16:50] <jbicha> vala?
[16:50] <ricotz> gdm3 fails to start due to the missing "org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchscreen" is missing "display" key
[16:50] <ricotz> I guess I shouldn't use gsettings-desktop-schemas from -proposed
[16:50] <jbicha> yes, bug 1812143
[16:51] <ricotz> I see
[16:51] <ricotz> thanks
[16:52] <jbicha> I guess I could add the Breaks now
[16:52] <ricotz> and yeah, it would be great if you could pick up vala 0.42.5
[18:00] <willcooke> dinner time, bbl
[18:00] <seb128> willcooke, enjoy!
[19:15] <willcooke> night all
[20:40] <fossfreedom> jbicha, hi again. re UB menu problem. I can confirm that it is the new gnome-menus that is causing us problems :(  Debian's version of gnome-menus hasnt migrated yet to testing.  Can/should the migration be stopped - if so how?  I've raised LP: #1812908
[20:41] <jbicha> fossfreedom: to stop it from migrating to testing, all you need to do is open a Severity: serious bug with Version: 3.31.4-2


[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:42] <philipballew> hey dholbach
[08:52] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[09:22] <philipballew> hope all is well in the world of dholbach these days.
[09:22] <dholbach> yep, all's good over here :-)
[09:22] <dholbach> how are you?
[09:24] <philipballew> dholbach, life is good. Just always working. Should have a month off in a little while so I will go take a trip somewhere. How is that German winter?
[09:25] <dholbach> very nice
[09:25] <dholbach> winter?
[09:25] <dholbach> spring has started already
[09:25] <elfy> spring !!! woohoo
[09:25] <dholbach> yes - it's awesome
[09:29] <philipballew> dholbach, nice! Spring has hit here as well.
[09:30] <elfy> philipballew: funny that given we are in the same hemisphere :p
[09:30]  * philipballew avoids posting the temperature of where he lives.
[09:31] <philipballew> elfy, North Hemisphere is best hemisphere!
[09:31] <elfy> it is when I am in it :D
[09:31] <elfy> at least we get spring at the right time of the year :)
[09:31] <philipballew> the toilet flushes the right way here elfy
[09:31] <elfy> down?
[09:31] <elfy> :p
[09:32] <jussi> the US have funny swirly toilets
[09:32] <philipballew> jussi, here in the us we use a lot of water in our toilets.
[09:33] <philipballew> maybe because we flush the tp?
[09:33] <philipballew> not sure why actually...
[09:33] <jussi> yeah, its not real nice when you are used to "normal" toilets
[09:34] <philipballew> jussi, where do you live? :)
[09:34] <jose> dpm: hey, sent you an email
[09:34]  * jose goes to bed
[09:37] <jose> whoops, completely forgot the Q&A was happening, sorry if I interrupted anyone in the middle
[09:38] <jussi> philipballew: Finland
[09:39] <philipballew> jussi, oh nice. Never been there, but I bet it is a nice place.
[09:56] <dholbach> all right... I'll relocate - bbiab
[12:27] <popey> jose: we need to move the app clinic to next week, so no clinic this week.
[12:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:38] <popey> yo
[12:39] <czajkowski> catching up on irc on lunch
[12:39] <czajkowski> hows folks
[12:39] <czajkowski> joys of risoto it reheats well
[12:39] <czajkowski> well may be subjective though
[12:40] <jussi> mmm, risotto!
[12:40] <jussi> hai czajkowski
[12:42] <czajkowski> bacon and butternut squash
[12:42] <czajkowski> yummy
[12:42] <czajkowski> jussi: alo
[12:42] <czajkowski> *aloha
[12:42] <jussi> czajkowski: sounds excellent
[12:43] <czajkowski> jussi: where abouts are you based?
[12:43] <jussi> czajkowski: I currently reside near to helsinki
[12:48] <czajkowski> ah we have a MUG there
[12:48] <czajkowski> :D
[12:48] <czajkowski> currently trying to find a venue for Oslo and also either Helsinki or Oslo for a larger event in the coming months.
[12:48] <czajkowski> sooooo expensive
[12:48] <jussi> czajkowski: pm me some requirements
[12:56] <czajkowski> on the plus side may mean a trip to there :)
[12:56] <jussi> :D
[12:56] <czajkowski> anyone in Milan, Rome, Barcelona, will be invading next week in italy and only the 15th Barcelona
[13:49] <jcastro> marcoceppi, https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0qCTsUqMuAs/UzI9Y8yH1XI/AAAAAAAAcR8/5ZHSFCP8LCM/w675-h472-no/photo.GIF
[13:49] <marcoceppi> jcastro: hahaha
[15:19] <jose> popey: same time as usual re: app design clinics?
[15:21] <popey> yes
[15:27] <jose> ok
[15:28] <popey> thanks
[15:29] <jose> popey: what's John's nick on iRC?
[15:29] <jose> IRC*
[15:29] <popey> john?
[15:29] <jose> on freenode?
[15:29] <jose> wow, lucky
[15:29] <popey> no
[15:29] <popey> i was asking "john who"?
[15:29] <jose> oh, design team? John Lea
[15:29] <popey> JohnLea
[15:30] <jose> ok, all set for next week!
[15:31] <jose> if anyone wants some fun, I found this on G+ today: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/which-operating-system
[15:45] <popey> wonder what that returns on ubuntu phone
[15:47] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-26-154713.png
[15:47] <czajkowski> anyone on trustry noticed on chromium videos are not playing on youtube straight away, you need to hit refresh
[15:47] <popey> works here
[15:49] <czajkowski> hmm
[15:50] <czajkowski> wondering is itmy machine
[15:50] <czajkowski> most odd though
[17:22] <dholbach> all right - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! hugs!
[17:27] <jose> jcastro: hey, have a min to give me a hand with discourse?
[17:27] <jcastro> like set up?
[17:27] <jose> jcastro: like discourse.u.c
[17:28] <jcastro> sure, ask!
[17:28] <jose> well, I was trying to register with username jose, and says it's not available, but the user page doesn't exist
[17:28] <jose> so I'm not sure if it's marked private for some reason or there's a limitation I'm not aware of
[17:29] <jcastro> how do you pick a username?
[17:29] <jcastro> it just uses ubuntu sso?
[17:29] <jose> correct, I login via SSO and when creating an account it auto-fills in
[17:30] <jcastro> lookiing
[17:31] <jose> thanks
[17:31] <jcastro> hmm, minimum length is 3
[17:32] <jose> oh, says already registered
[17:32] <jcastro> I don't see any jose's
[17:32] <jose> that's why I was wondering
[17:34] <jcastro> huh
[17:35] <jcastro> marcoceppi, ^^^
[17:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we're connected to the central discourse hub
[17:36] <jcastro> oh so it's a shared namespace?
[17:41] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yes
[17:41] <marcoceppi> jcastro: they didn't turn it on for the longest time though
[17:42] <jose> I'll use joseeantonior, then, thanks guys!
[19:14] <czajkowski> pleia2: sorry for the delay :)
[19:14] <czajkowski> all sent
[19:18] <pleia2> and blogged! thanks :)
[19:23] <czajkowski> np
[22:17] <chilicuil> hi, does anyone knows how I could get a tablecloth with Ubuntu art?, I've been seen some ubuntu local teams use them when they attend to conferences or similar activities, I'm part of the Ubuntu-mx team and I would like to get one of those for our online public meetings =)
[22:20] <jose> chilicuil: verified teams get them the first time they're verified ever
[22:28] <chilicuil> jose: that's kind of weird then, because we actually got verified two years ago, and we didn't receive a tablecloth, we've received dvds and other ubuntu marketing material, but not tablecloths
[22:28] <jose> chilicuil: you have to request it, let me do a quick check for you...
[22:29] <jose> chilicuil: looks like no one requested them
[22:30] <chilicuil> jose: awesome!
[22:30] <jose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences/ApprovedTeamGift has info on how you can request it
[22:30] <jose> they'll get you a banner (it's huge, plan where you'll store it when not in use) and a tablecloth :)
[22:31] <chilicuil> jose: cool, I'll read it carefully =)!
[22:31] <chilicuil> jose: thanks for your help
[22:31] <jose> np, if you have any questions just let me know
[22:36] <jose> chilicuil: btw, there's a typo on ubuntu-mx's LP Team description, says XUbuntu and KUbuntu instead of Xubuntu and Kubuntu
[22:37] <chilicuil> jose: thanks, I'll comment it to our core team so they can get it fixed =)
[22:37] <jose> cool!