[04:44] <Kilos> morning everybody
[04:53] <psydroid> morning Kilos
[04:53] <psydroid> you get up earlier and earlier
[05:00] <Kilos> lol hi psydroid
[05:47] <Squirm> morning
[05:48] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[05:58] <Superhuman> morning Kilos, Squirm & psydroid
[05:58] <Kilos> ohi Superhuman
[05:58] <Kilos> morning superfly
[05:59] <psydroid> morning Superhuman
[05:59] <psydroid> hi superfly
[05:59] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[05:59] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[06:00] <superfly> morning Kilos, Superhuman, Squirm and psydroid!
[06:00] <Superhuman> aweh superfly!
[06:00] <superfly> Superhuman: another bun in the oven, eh?
[06:01] <Superhuman> Jip!
[06:01] <superfly> awesomesauce
[06:01] <Superhuman> Bun almost ready to get out... +- 90 days to go
[06:01] <Kilos> wow nearly min dae
[06:02] <Kilos> oh you guys dont know army chat
[06:02] <Kilos> i gonna give you 40 days
[06:02] <superfly> Kilos: I *always* hear about min dae
[06:03] <Kilos> it was when you got to the last 40 days of your comp army service superfly
[06:06] <Kilos> after 9 months my time then 18 months then 2 years i think later call ups did
[06:06] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[06:06] <Kilos> whats news
[06:06] <Cantide> hey Kilos '-'
[06:07] <Superhuman> aweh Cantide
[06:07] <Cantide> hi Superhuman :p
[06:08] <Cantide> Kilos, exam today
[06:08] <Cantide> so i have the day off '-'
[06:08] <Cantide> what about you?
[06:08] <Kilos> good luck laddy
[06:08] <Cantide> thanks :)
[06:08] <Kilos> im goodish ty
[06:09] <Cantide> and thanks for the 3G autoconnect workaround :)
[06:09] <Cantide> i haven't tested it out yet
[06:09] <Cantide> i think i'm going to go back to 12.04 :<
[06:10] <Kilos> np
[06:10] <Kilos> 12.04 isnt bad. ill still get to 12.10 when cds arrive
[06:10] <Cantide> hmm
[06:11] <Cantide> i'm not sure if it's 12.10 or just my PC, but it keeps crashing
[06:11] <Kilos> some peeps say its way faster than 12.04 and others say its slower so i gotta see for myself
[06:11] <Cantide> especially when browsing pages with flash or playing video
[06:11] <Kilos> ai that sucks
[06:11] <Cantide> yeah :-S
[06:11] <Kilos> how much ram you got?
[06:11] <Cantide> so back to 12.04 i shall go, but in a month's time :)
[06:12] <Superhuman> Cantide: Try a fresh install of 12.10...might be residual configs/packages that are causing that...
[06:12] <Cantide> Superhuman, true - i did do an upgrade
[06:12] <Cantide> or i will wait for 13.04
[06:12] <Kilos> 13.04 isnt lts
[06:12] <Cantide> i will be doing a fresh install anyway, because i plan on getting an SSD soonish
[06:13] <Superhuman> I know my Thunderbird is giving me major uphill because it has been upgraded since 08.10
[06:13] <Cantide> Kilos, I don't care too much about LTS
[06:13] <Kilos> long term support
[06:13] <Cantide> oh.. I use Thunderbird every day, and it works well for me :)
[06:13] <Cantide> Kilos, I know :p
[06:13] <Kilos> 5 years if im not mistook
[06:13] <Cantide> yup
[06:13] <Kilos> evolution much better than thunderbird
[06:13] <Superhuman> The base email files are way old...and need to be freshly done...
[06:14] <Cantide> LTS doesn't really make a difference to me, although they do seem more stable
[06:14] <Cantide> and stability is the reason i want to go back to 12.04
[06:14] <Superhuman> Kilos: I have about 1 million emails in Thunderbird. Company requires that we keep ALL emails, and I've been here 4 years
[06:14] <Cantide> anyhow, i will decide after i get some new hardware
[06:15] <Kilos> i just purged thunderbirc and install evo and did a mail backup from maverick and it runs well
[06:15] <Cantide> Superhuman, wow... okay, that's WAY more than me
[06:15] <Cantide> i use it at home - wish i could use it at work
[06:15] <Kilos> ouch Superhuman
[06:16] <Cantide> Kilos, for some reason i've always liked Thunderbird
[06:16] <Cantide> and for some other reason I've never liked Evolution :-S
[06:16] <Kilos> eeeek
[06:16] <Kilos> lo SmilyBorg_w
[06:16] <Kilos> you watched too much tv as a kid Cantide
[06:17] <Cantide> hahaha
[06:17] <Kilos> hehe
[06:17] <Cantide> what does TV have to do with choice of email client?
[06:17] <Cantide> and no, i barely watch TV :p
[06:17] <Kilos> brainwashed
[06:17] <Cantide> lol
[06:17] <Kilos> now yes
[06:17] <Cantide> personal preference :)
[06:17] <Cantide> even then... i don't recall watching much other than Gummy Bears and The Simpsons
[06:18] <Kilos> its a known fact tv is the most effective brainwashing tool out
[06:18] <Cantide> haha
[06:18] <Kilos> hehe
[06:18] <Cantide> unless you select what you watch :p
[06:18] <Cantide> the internet <3
[06:18] <Cantide> TV is going to change soon anyway
[06:18] <Cantide> Smart TVs will allow us to select content from the internet
[06:18] <Kilos> to what
[06:18] <Kilos> eish more data use
[06:19] <Cantide> and we will be able to view on demand, i think TV schedules will be no more, except for live things like sport etc.
[06:19] <Cantide> there will be some convergence between TVs and the internet at any rate
[06:19] <Cantide> not sure to what extent exactly
[06:19] <Cantide> but yeah, our country is not a good place for that :p
[06:20] <Kilos> for someone who doesnt watch tv you know alot about whats happening
[06:20] <Cantide> because I use the internet :)
[06:20] <Kilos> lol
[06:20] <Kilos> ya ya
[06:20] <Cantide> heard of netflix? hulu?  Geen pc , geen ps3 , geen tv niks
[10:02] <Kilos> wats fout jou pc
[10:02] <Kilos> nat gekry
[10:03] <Kilos> sjoe ek sal dooi sonder n pc wat werk
[10:03] <mazal> Nee ek moes dit alles verwyder vir sekuriteit
[10:03] <mazal> Sonder ruite kan iemand maklik inklim
[10:04] <mazal> My spaar pc parted wat in 'n boks naby die ruite was het egter nat geword
[10:04] <mazal> En al my drywer cd's
[10:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:05] <Kilos> steel hulla daar ook?
[10:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:08] <mazal> Dit het nog nooit gebeur by my nie , maar mens weet nooit
[10:09] <Kilos> yip rahter safe than sorry
[10:09] <Kilos> rather
[10:10] <mazal> Nou gaan ek heavy corrupt raak met daai Win laptop lol
[10:10] <mazal> Is net die enetjie by die werk wat Ubuntu op het
[10:10] <Kilos> tot pidgin werk ook op ms
[10:10] <Kilos> sjoe jy sal moet ontkiem later
[10:10] <Squirm> I'm hungry now
[10:11] <Squirm> 40min till lunch
[10:11] <Squirm> :/
[10:11] <Kilos> Squirm, you must carry snacks with you
[10:11] <Kilos> or hide somewhere
[10:11] <Kilos> to tide you over
[10:13] <Kilos> or some fruit
[10:33] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[10:34] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[11:12] <magespawn> later all, go to go on a game drive
[14:40] <Kilos> hmm you guys are in and out some hey
[14:46] <Squirm> weekend
[14:46]  * Squirm dances
[14:46]  * Squirm pulls out the sherry
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <inetpro> hmm...
[14:51] <superfly> Hey mazal
[14:52] <superfly> Wish I could go on game drives like magespawn does
[14:52] <Kilos> yeah
[14:53] <superfly> Not sure if he drives or leads them, but it would be awesome either way
[14:53] <hubx> hi there
[14:53] <Kilos> hi hubx
[14:53] <Kilos> good life he has there superfly
[14:54] <superfly> Kilos: I'm sure there are days he'd rather be someone else
[14:55] <Kilos> yip everyone has bad days but hes inna tiny quiet town to start with and coupla games reserves around
[14:56] <superfly> wonder if i'd be able to organise a visit when we're up in that part of the world next year
[14:56] <Kilos> most likely
[14:57] <Kilos> hluhluwe game reserves used to have place for peeps to stay
[14:57] <Kilos> and theres st lucia down the road
[14:57] <Kilos> lotsa mosquitos
[14:58] <Kilos> im sure there a many otyher b+b places too
[14:58] <superfly> Kilos: do you remember how far it is from Durban?
[14:58] <Kilos> 3 hours ride i think
[14:58] <superfly> to Hluhluwe, of course
[14:58] <Kilos> maybe bit less
[14:58] <superfly> Mmmmm
[14:58] <Kilos> yeah
[14:59] <superfly> If we can spend the night, that would be pretty awesome
[14:59] <Kilos> whew memory sucks some but i think empangeni is bout 2 hours from durbs and hluhluwe about an hour more
[15:00] <Kilos> there must be lotsa places to stay
[15:00] <Kilos> the spawn will know
[15:00] <Kilos> im going back over 30 years
[15:02] <Kilos> and theres that massive dam north of him. think its jozini
[15:02] <Kilos> was a stream when i was there first then they dammed it but took long to fill methinks
[15:02] <Kilos> lotsa pineapples in that area
[15:02] <superfly> We're going to be south of Durbs, Port Shepstone
[15:02] <Kilos> biiig ones
[15:03] <Kilos> ian was born in sheppy hospital
[15:03] <superfly> Oh, ok
[15:03] <Kilos> w2as also a smallish town back then
[15:03] <inetpro> superfly: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Port+Shepstone,+KwaZulu-Natal,+South+Africa&daddr=Hluhluwe,+South+Africa&hl=en&sll=-28.93431,31.657765&sspn=2.369985,5.410767&geocode=FQU6K_4dcNbQASldUzPbaKFYHjE72CTMs9wJlQ%3BFTd3VP4d7FzsASntnfqgq_z6HjHe1drEANSLbA&oq=Port+Shepstone+&t=h&mra=ls&z=7
[15:04] <inetpro> eish... that's a long url, sorry
[15:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:04] <Kilos> Maaz, shorten https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Port+Shepstone,+KwaZulu-Natal,+South+Africa&daddr=Hluhluwe,+South+Africa&hl=en&sll=-28.93431,31.657765&sspn=2.369985,5.410767&geocode=FQU6K_4dcNbQASldUzPbaKFYHjE72CTMs9wJlQ%3BFTd3VP4d7FzsASntnfqgq_z6HjHe1drEANSLbA&oq=Port+Shepstone+&t=h&mra=ls&z=7
[15:04] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/4FcCjR
[15:04] <Kilos> hehe
[15:04] <Kilos> sorry for the spam
[15:04] <inetpro>  from Port Shepstone to Hluhluwe = 382 km, 4 hours 25 mins along the N2
[15:05] <superfly> Wow, that's quite a drive
[15:05] <Kilos> ya sheppy an hour south of tekwini
[15:05] <inetpro> lol
[15:06] <superfly> Was thinking about visiting nuvolari, will have to plan carefully if we want to visit magespawn too
[15:07] <inetpro> superfly: from St Lucia to Hluhluwe is 78.5 km (1 hour 17 mins)
[15:10] <inetpro> superfly: make a overnight stopover at Umhlanga or somewhere along the Dolphin Coast, north of Durbs
[15:10] <Kilos> and mtubatuba to hluhluwe
[15:10] <superfly> Mmmm, another nice place to stop
[15:11] <Kilos> how can you take (1 hour 17 mins) for 78 ks?
[15:11] <inetpro> many beautiful places along the route
[15:11] <Kilos> oxwagon?
[15:11] <Kilos> natal is a beautiful place
[15:11] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't know how they work that out but it may be right
[15:12] <Kilos> nee man
[15:12] <Kilos> st lucia just sea side of tubatuba
[15:12]  * inetpro hasn't been there for some time
[15:12] <superfly> Kilos: speed limits? Or don't they apply to you? :-P
[15:12] <Kilos> tub to hulehule is a quick run
[15:12] <Kilos> 20 ks about
[15:13] <Kilos> natal speed is 120
[15:13] <inetpro> think the last time I was there was in 96
[15:13] <inetpro> Kilos: I think it's a 100 these days
[15:14] <Kilos> oh my
[15:14] <superfly> inetpro: i think the lst time I was there Nelson Mandela was still in prison
[15:14] <Kilos> even so at 100 kph you cant take over an hour to do 80 ks
[15:14] <superfly> *last
[15:15] <superfly> Kilos: depends on stops and things
[15:15] <Kilos> whew you old hey superfly
[15:16] <superfly> Kilos: hahaha, or just well traveled despite my age :-P
[15:16] <Kilos> i dont think there are stops apart from where st lucia joins the road north
[15:16] <Kilos> lol
[15:17] <superfly> Kilos: at least I am old enough to remember that stuff
[15:18]  * superfly can actually remember the day of the referendum quite clearly
[15:19] <superfly> inetpro and Kilos are old enough to have voted in it though
[15:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:20] <inetpro> lol
[15:21] <inetpro> superfly: you didn't vote there yet?
[15:21] <superfly> Kilos: what year was ian born?
[15:21] <superfly> inetpro: a few years too young
[15:21] <inetpro> ok
[15:21] <Kilos> 75
[15:22] <Kilos> i think
[15:22] <Kilos> i ask sis
[15:22] <Kilos> ya
[15:22] <superfly> Kilos: ah, ok, a few years older than me
[15:23] <Kilos> oh my
[15:23] <Kilos> a few?
[15:23] <superfly> Kilos: vyf jaar ouer as ek
[15:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:24] <Kilos> now i feel even older
[15:24] <Kilos> good thing magtie no here
[15:27] <Kilos> hi hmmer
[15:27] <superfly> Kilos: you're still young enough to learn new tricks
[15:28] <Kilos> yeah
[15:28] <zeref> hi Kilos
[15:28] <Kilos> if it wasnt for the head id still be wrestling steers to brand them
[15:30] <Kilos> now i wrestle iptables
[15:30] <superfly> hahahaha
[15:32] <mazal> Kilos are you 75 ?
[15:33] <Kilos> no0 man
[15:33] <Kilos> 61
[15:33] <Kilos> where you went to school
[15:33] <Kilos> go ask for your money back
[15:33] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <Kilos> sorry
[15:34] <mazal> Hehehe , ok got confused trying to catch up with the conversation
[15:34] <Kilos> lol
[15:34] <Kilos> ya its bad when inetpro calls me oom
[15:35] <Kilos> hes an oom
[15:36] <superfly> mazal: where in SA are you?
[15:37] <mazal> superfly , Cullinan
[15:37] <superfly> mazal: have you heard of an app called OpenLP?
[15:37] <mazal> nope
[15:37]  * superfly is in the mother city
[15:38] <superfly> mazal: google it, your church might find it handy
[15:39] <mazal> K will have a look
[15:39] <mazal> Can't install though
[15:39] <superfly> hrm, my station next
[15:40] <Kilos> walk a mile in my shoes
[15:40] <Kilos> you get lift from station superfly ?
[15:40] <superfly> Kilos: that way I'll be a mile away AND have your shoes!
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <superfly> Kilos: nope
[15:41] <Kilos> eish you walk?
[15:41] <Kilos> how far?
[15:41] <superfly> anyways, gotta go
[15:41] <Kilos> later
[15:41] <superfly> Yup
[15:41] <superfly> About 10 minutes
[15:41] <Kilos> healthy when not raining
[15:41] <Kilos> then miserable
[15:43] <inetpro> Kilos: ek's g'n oom nie, ai
[15:43]  * inetpro is baie jonk
[15:44] <Kilos> hehe
[15:45] <Kilos> we had a lekker friday avy chat hey?
[15:45]  * mazal misses his Ubuntu pc
[15:45]  * mazal thinks he must try the usb install thing
[15:45] <Kilos> mazal, you shoulda locked it in your bedroom
[15:45] <mazal> I lost they keys
[15:45] <Kilos> you got a big usb stick?
[15:45] <mazal> Don't know where they are :P
[15:46] <Kilos> ai
[15:46] <mazal> I got 2 external hdd's that is in my work bag :)
[15:46] <Kilos> ah
[15:47] <mazal> Last time I tried it I failed though
[15:47] <mazal> But since I have so much time I might as well try again
[15:48] <Kilos> perfect the method and i will try
[15:48] <Kilos> got a 40 gig lappy external that was storage  and backup place but can experiment maybe
[15:49] <mazal> I think I will do that in place of my usual Friday archiving
[15:49] <Kilos> you should be able to if you remove hdd from lappy connect external and boot from ubuntu cd
[15:50] <Kilos> then set bios to boot from usb after
[15:50] <mazal> Nah somme gonna try with hdd still in laptop
[15:50]  * mazal nie bangie :)
[15:50] <Kilos> bye winsucks
[15:50] <tumbleweed> superfly: am I supposed to be reviewing an openlp upload?
[15:51] <mazal> Gotta go for now
[15:51] <mazal> Bye all
[15:51] <mazal> God bless
[15:51] <Kilos> later mazal
[15:52] <Kilos> ty you too
[15:52] <Kilos> you youngster needs more blessings than me
[15:52] <Kilos> aw he missed that
[16:10] <superfly> tumbleweed: I think I left a message for you a while ago about the latest version (which is/was 1.9.12)
[16:11] <tumbleweed> yeah, I quickly forget about things I intend to do
[16:11] <superfly> haha\
[16:12] <superfly> tumbleweed: if you have some time, please could you review?
[16:12] <tumbleweed> uscan says the latest version is "MediaKit" :)
[16:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: also, we're hoping to bring out a final version at the end of this month, would be great to get it into debian/ubuntu soon thereafter
[16:13] <superfly> tumbleweed: meh, how can I fix that?
[16:13] <tumbleweed> only match numbers and dots in the watch file?
[16:13] <superfly> ah
[16:13]  * superfly goes to look
[16:14]  * superfly tries to referee a toddler and a kitten while doing a few other things
[16:15] <Kilos> lol
[16:15] <tumbleweed> that sounds fairly attention-consuming
[16:16] <superfly> tumbleweed: somewhat
[16:18] <Kilos> wb SmilyBorg_h
[16:18] <SmilyBorg_h> hey there
[16:19] <zeref> hmmmmm
[16:19] <Kilos> wb hmmmmer
[16:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: OK, try now?
[16:19] <Kilos> net not good today
[16:21] <tumbleweed> superfly: I'd add a changelog entry for that
[16:21] <tumbleweed> and use the right e-mail address for the changelog entry
[16:22] <superfly> mkay
[16:35] <superfly> tumbleweed: should I create a new changelog entry called 1.9.12-2 ?
[16:44] <tumbleweed> no, we haven't uploaded -1
[16:56] <Kilos> hey Cantide how the exams go?
[16:56] <Cantide> not bad :D
[16:56] <Cantide> harder than I expected
[16:56] <Cantide> but i sat for almost the full 2 hours this time
[16:56] <Cantide> and completed all 12 pages of it '-'
[16:56] <Cantide> so i should get a goodish mark :D
[16:56] <Cantide> how was your Friday?
[16:56] <Kilos> good at least you finished
[16:57] <Cantide> yup
[16:57] <Kilos> quiet ty
[16:57] <Cantide> quiet is nice :)
[16:57] <Kilos> na its boring
[17:03] <Kilos> naand tannie magtie
[17:04] <Cantide> only boring if you lack hobbies
[17:04] <magtie> hello oom kilos
[17:04] <Cantide> i was too busy to do the things i wanted to do today... and it rained yet again, so i couldn't anyway
[17:04] <Kilos> hehe
[17:04] <Kilos> het hulle jou gese?
[17:06] <Kilos> i go eat quick kinda
[17:09] <inetpro> yummy! That was nice...
[17:09]  * inetpro just had a very tasty home made chicken salad twister wrap
[17:10] <inetpro> chicken & salad*
[17:12] <mazal> Ha ! It works :)
[17:13] <inetpro> mazal: wb
[17:14] <mazal> ta inetpro
[17:18] <mazal> Running of an external hdd now
[17:19] <superfly> hiya mazal
[17:19] <zeref> inetpro: share :D
[17:20] <superfly> tumbleweed: right, I've updated the tags, updated the changelog entry, and fixed the e-mail address
[17:20] <mazal> I dunno what I did wrong the previous time , but this time it was very easy
[17:21] <inetpro> zeref: how? It's all inme stomach now? :-)
[17:22] <tumbleweed> superfly: err, the date is also a month old. But I'm ok with ignoring that
[17:22] <inetpro> s/? :/ :/
[17:22] <zeref> inetpro: awwww
[17:22] <superfly> tumbleweed: ag, sorry, I'll fix that too
[17:23]  * zeref goes to dig in the fridge
[17:23] <inetpro> zeref: sorry
[17:24] <Kilos> hehe
[17:25] <Kilos> Maaz, now you got buntu with you as long as you have the external
[17:25] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[17:25] <Kilos> lekker hey
[17:25] <Kilos> grrr
[17:25] <Kilos> mazal,
[17:25] <mazal> Yes
[17:26] <superfly> tumbleweed: OK, fixed
[17:26]  * superfly needs to write this up so that he doesn't forget *again*
[17:27] <tumbleweed> superfly: LGTM, uploading
[17:27] <mazal> I just can't get my chat setup
[17:27] <mazal> Can't remember how I added my gtalk account to empathy
[17:27] <superfly> tumbleweed: thank you, and thanks for your patience
[17:28] <tumbleweed> uploads like this are so easy they're a joy :)
[17:29] <mazal> ah , nevermind , found it
[17:29] <Kilos> mazal, im not sure empathy anymore but xmpp is the thing'
[17:29] <Kilos> ah
[17:29] <Kilos> i didnt like empathy. pidgin better
[17:29] <mazal> One forget these little things if you are used to seperate /home partition
[17:29] <mazal> Then no install needs config
[17:30] <Kilos> ya i do that too
[17:30] <mazal> This is the first one I needed to config mail etc. in a long time
[17:31] <Kilos> only if you have a prob and reinstall thew prob stays in home
[17:31] <Kilos> then
[17:32] <Kilos> no the
[17:32] <Kilos> fingers too fat
[17:32] <mazal> Now I just need a little rsync for my docs and I'm good
[17:33] <Kilos> more thunderbees tonight
[17:35] <superfly> tumbleweed: for the final release I'm going to write a patch to disable that version check
[17:35] <tumbleweed> version check?
[17:36] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, like Firefox has a version check in the Windows version, OpenLP has a version check too
[17:36] <superfly> and I know that sort of thing should be disabled for packaged software
[17:37] <tumbleweed> oh, yes, it should be
[17:37] <Kilos> superfly, how big is it?
[17:37] <superfly> Kilos: OpenLP? by itself about 15 megs, but there are a number of libraries that it needs
[17:38] <Kilos> how do i get it please
[17:38] <Kilos> ppa thingie?
[17:39] <Kilos> mazal, how much space on the external have you made for ubuntu?
[17:40] <superfly> Kilos: well, there's an older version in Ubuntu
[17:40] <Kilos> oh ok i go look in synaptic ty
[17:42] <mazal> Kilos, 80gig
[17:42] <Kilos> lekker
[17:42] <mazal> It was already there. I made it long ago for backing up /home data. So I sommer used it
[17:43] <Kilos> openlp is 2.9 meg and total download is 4170 kB superfly  lekker small
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <Kilos> superfly, you made that whole thing?
[18:00] <Kilos> once doing its config thingwith videos and music unticked total 17 meg
[18:01] <Kilos> could enjoy uncapped methinks
[18:02] <superfly> Kilos: not just me, a team of us
[18:03] <Kilos> very nice well done
[18:03] <Kilos> oh images unticked as well
[18:04] <mazal> When I search for openlp I get no results ?
[18:04] <superfly> mazal: which version of Ubuntu?
[18:04] <mazal> 12.04
[18:05] <superfly> mazal: you need to enable the backports repository
[18:05] <Kilos> mazal, in synaptic
[18:06] <superfly> mazal: http://user-guide.openlp.org/_images/5-updates-backports.png
[18:08] <Kilos> superfly, whats the backports thing
[18:08] <Kilos> i didnt do anything extra
[18:08] <superfly> Kilos: that's an extra repository so that newer versions of software can be installed in older versions of Ubuntu
[18:08] <superfly> Kilos: which version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu are you using?
[18:08] <Kilos> 12.04
[18:09] <Kilos> only have canonical partners etc added in repos
[18:09] <mazal> Ok , downloading
[18:09] <superfly> hrm... maybe you added it some other time?
[18:10] <Kilos> whew
[18:10] <mazal> It still didn't show in software centre , but showed in synaptic
[18:11] <Kilos> i dont use software centre its too slow and hard to find things
[18:11] <superfly> mazal: yeah, software centre is slow to update
[18:11] <Kilos> synaptic rocks
[18:12] <mazal> Fortunately I installed my iso so I have synaptec
[18:12] <Kilos> first things i do is install gdebi aptitude xchat pidgin and synaptic
[18:12] <Kilos> was  a shock when they started leaving synaptic out
[18:13] <mazal> What's gdebi ?
[18:13] <Kilos> package manager
[18:13] <mazal> ah ok
[18:13] <Kilos> if you got a pile of packages you can install with gdebi
[18:14] <Kilos> i think its a package manager
[18:14] <superfly> it's more of a package file installer that makes sure you have all the dependencies installed as well
[18:15] <Kilos> it finds what dependancies you got and still need and does the install
[18:15] <Kilos> ah ty superfly
[18:17] <Kilos> synaptic can do all upgrades and everything for you too
[18:17] <Kilos> and fix broken packages
[18:17] <Kilos> handy for someone not to cli proficient
[18:18] <mazal> Should try and remember that
[18:18] <mazal> should I mark all the plug-ins ?
[18:18] <Kilos> if data no prob yes
[18:18] <mazal> Oeps , and if it is ?
[18:18] <Kilos> then you have a complete app
[18:19] <Kilos> i unticked movies images and music
[18:19] <Kilos> then its basicall text
[18:19] <Kilos> with cool gui stuff
[18:21] <Cantide> it seems as if i have fixed my PC 'o'
[18:21] <Kilos> get all the plugins when you on work internet
[18:21] <mazal> I see it has Bibles :)
[18:21] <Kilos> what was wrong catide?
[18:21] <Cantide> the freezing had become too frequent, so i finally changed the PSU today
[18:21] <Cantide> which didn't seem to help much
[18:21] <superfly> Kilos: you can tick all the plugins without downloading anything extra
[18:21] <Cantide> and eventually i started removing things... seems one of my RAM modules is faulty
[18:21] <Kilos> oh ty superfly thats nice to know
[18:22] <mazal> And one can add unmarked things later yes ?
[18:22] <Kilos> did you clean it and plug it back in Cantide
[18:22] <Cantide> i tried that and it still froze
[18:22] <Kilos> i dunno mazal will find out from the fly
[18:22] <Cantide> i even tried different slots
[18:23] <Kilos> then stuffed ya
[18:23] <Kilos> well done
[18:23] <Kilos> see no new pc needed just lekker to get one
[18:23] <Cantide> i'll keep testing it for a few days before i decide that was really the problem :P
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Cantide> because i can't replicate the freezing intentionally
[18:23] <mazal> I used mine for 2 days :(
[18:23] <Kilos> then still dads to fix
[18:23] <Cantide> it seemed to happen sporadically
[18:23] <Cantide> Kilos, yeah :-S
[18:23] <Cantide> after my trip :p
[18:24] <Kilos> shame he has to wait
[18:24] <Kilos> shame on you
[18:24] <Kilos> poor papa
[18:24] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <Cantide> he needs it - it forces him to get things done around the house
[18:24] <Kilos> he uses windows
[18:25] <superfly> mazal: yes
[18:25] <superfly> mazal: the plugins you can enable in the plugin list, and the resources you can download again by re-running the wizard from the tools menu
[18:26] <Cantide> Kilos, yeah, that'll teach him!
[18:26] <Kilos> thats nice superfly
[18:26] <mazal> K , mine is downloading now the things I selected
[18:26] <Kilos> haha leave it and say the koreans say ubuntu is the way to go
[18:27] <Cantide> hahahaha
[18:27] <Cantide> i installed Ubuntu on there so he could dual boot - even saw him using it a few times
[18:27] <Cantide> just need to fix it up properly
[18:27] <Cantide> and then remove windows
[18:28] <Kilos> ah
[18:28] <Kilos> lo smile4ever
[18:28] <Kilos> havge you got openlp?
[18:29] <Kilos> have as well
[18:29] <smile4ever> hi :D
[18:30] <Kilos> Cantide, what does it actually do?
[18:30] <Cantide> doesn't post
[18:30] <Kilos> dead completely?
[18:30] <Cantide> or if it does, it freezes after a few minutes
[18:30] <Cantide> not completely
[18:30] <Cantide> similar to what my PC was doing, only freezing faster
[18:30] <Cantide> or not booting at all
[18:30] <Kilos> freezes in winsucks or ubuntu?
[18:31] <Kilos> virus
[18:31] <Kilos> trojan donkey
[18:32] <Cantide> both
[18:32] <Cantide> i think it's overheating - didn't i tell you about the broken heatsink bracket?
[18:32] <Kilos> whew yous bought ram same place same time
[18:32] <Cantide> so i just need to open it up and check
[18:32] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:32] <Cantide> nope, i got them at different times, and they're different brands
[18:33] <Kilos> cpu overheating
[18:33] <Cantide> most likely, yes
[18:33] <Cantide> but i am lazy :p
[18:33] <Cantide> especially if it means drilling holes in the MB
[18:33] <Kilos> they actually get hot very fast if heatsink and fan no good
[18:33] <Cantide> to secure the heatsink
[18:33] <Cantide> yes
[18:34] <Cantide> i will see if i can salvage a bracket off an old board
[18:35] <Cantide> sleep time :p
[18:35] <Cantide> good night '-'
[18:35] <Kilos> night can
[18:35] <Kilos> grrr
[18:36] <Squirm> evning
[18:36] <mazal> I got a blank screen and couldn't get out
[18:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:36] <mazal> Lo Squirm
[18:36] <Kilos> ouch mazal
[18:39] <mazal> Where do I stop xchat from auto-joining the ubuntu channel ?
[18:40] <mazal> don't see it in preferences
[18:40] <Kilos> first  little window it opens
[18:40] <Kilos> you scroll to freenode then tick edit
[18:41] <Kilos> the type in #ubuntu-za in favourite channels + others if you like
[18:41] <Kilos> seperated with <
[18:41] <Kilos> ,
[18:41] <Kilos> ,
[18:42] <Kilos> not <
[18:42] <mazal> I don't get that options on startup
[18:42] <Kilos> ok
[18:42] <mazal> It joins freenode and joins ubuntu
[18:42] <Kilos> top left
[18:42] <Kilos> xchat
[18:42] <Kilos> network list
[18:42] <Kilos> then set it up
[18:43] <mazal> There's nothing there to setup , just gives a list of channels
[18:43] <Kilos> scroll to freenode
[18:43] <Kilos> tick it then tick edit
[18:44] <mazal> There's no freenode in the network menu
[18:44] <Kilos> dont tick the skip network list till you got it as you want it
[18:44] <mazal> Just connect , disconnect , close , channels
[18:44] <Kilos> where you put your nick in?
[18:44] <Kilos> that window
[18:44] <Kilos> must be a freenode
[18:45] <mazal> Right at the beginning , but it doesn't show that window anymore
[18:45] <Kilos> under fefnet
[18:45] <Kilos> you on xchat now?\
[18:46] <Kilos> mazal, talk to me
[18:46] <mazal> ah I found it , it's under preferences then network
[18:47] <mazal> I was looking at the main network menu
[18:47] <Kilos> ah
[18:48] <mazal> and now I sommer found the nickserv password as well lol
[18:48] <mazal> Been looking for that for ages
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <mazal> Every time I type it in manually :P
[18:51] <Kilos> did you used to sit in the ubuntu channel?
[18:51] <Kilos> mahem there
[18:52] <mazal> I looked in there once
[18:52] <mazal> But you can't even follow what is going on
[18:52] <Kilos> nope
[18:52] <Kilos> too many peeps all at once
[18:53] <mazal> Then every time I started up xchat I had to manually close that channel
[18:53] <Kilos> and each one knows what he must answer to who
[18:53] <mazal> I dunno how they do it
[18:53] <Kilos> now you will come here without probs
[18:53] <mazal> I got confused within seconds
[18:53] <Kilos> yeah me too
[18:53] <Kilos> madness is
[18:54] <mazal> Ok I'm off to bed
[18:54] <Kilos> night mazal sleep tight
[18:54] <smile4ever> good night mazal :p
[18:54] <mazal> Lekker slaap oom Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> dankie boet
[18:54] <mazal> Night smile4ever
[18:54] <mazal> Night all
[18:54] <mazal> Blessings
[18:54] <Kilos> ty
[18:54] <Kilos> same there
[18:58] <Kilos> smile4ever, why you dropped your e17 bit
[19:01] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight. ty superfly
[19:02] <smile4ever> good night :p
[19:02] <smile4ever> :)
[19:30] <smile4ever> doei! :D
[20:56] <zeref> oh dear
[20:56] <zeref> how to set a file name as date in a script
[20:56] <zeref> ??
[21:20] <zeref> ls
[22:13] <zeref> sigh
[22:14] <bakuman> zeref... what?
[22:15] <zeref> i'm trying to set a folder to the name of the curretn date
[22:15] <zeref> *current folder to the current date
[22:16] <bakuman> shell script?
[22:17] <zeref> yebo
[22:17] <zeref> is it not something like
[22:18] <bakuman> first get the way you want to print the date
[22:18] <zeref> date =date +%d%m%y
[22:19] <bakuman> no, spaces matter
[22:20] <bakuman> date="date +%d%m%y"
[22:20] <bakuman> oops no
[22:20] <bakuman> date=$(date +%d%m%y")
[22:21] <bakuman> that is the way zeref
[22:21] <bakuman> then: mv <folder> $date
[22:21] <zeref> ahhh
[22:22] <zeref> thanks bakuman
[22:22] <zeref> working now :D
[22:22] <bakuman> or if you want it in one line: mv <folder> $(date +%d%m%y)
[22:22] <bakuman> :D
[22:23] <zeref> what  i'm trying to do to to get the max id, adn printing the row
[22:23] <zeref> "select f_name,l_name,cell_number from customer where uid=(select max(uid) from customer)"
[22:23] <zeref> but according to some peeps that method is a bit slow
[22:25] <bakuman> I'm mot a pro in sql queries :D
[22:25] <zeref> if postgres <=8.0
[22:25] <zeref> mine is 8.4
[22:25] <zeref> ?
[22:25] <bakuman> but cannot think of anything that can be quicker than calling max
[22:25] <zeref> yeah
[22:26] <zeref> same here
[22:26] <zeref> mabe they have steroif up the max function in > 8.0
[22:26] <zeref> *steriod
[22:27] <bakuman> haha
[22:28] <zeref> btwm its that the only way to to get the last recorc in a database
[22:28] <bakuman> if uid is auto incrementing, you can just select the last one
[22:28] <zeref> *record
[22:28] <zeref> yah
[22:28] <bakuman> there should be a LAST call or something?
[22:28] <zeref> hmmmmmmm]
[22:28] <zeref> for postgresql
[22:29] <zeref> i've not seen one yet
[22:29] <zeref> I'm bust looking at the doc
[22:31] <zeref> in java
[22:31] <zeref> if i get it right
[22:32] <zeref> job almost secure
[22:42] <zeref>
[22:43] <bakuman> SELECT fields FROM table ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1;
[22:44] <bakuman> that seems to be the answer zeref
[22:45] <bakuman> you tell it to sort by "uid" then get the first entry only in descending order
[22:48] <bakuman> "select f_name,l_name,cell_number from customer ORDER  BY uid DESC LIMIT 1" in your case
[22:49] <zeref> yes
[22:50] <zeref> it works, thanks bakuman
[22:50] <bakuman> :D
[23:05] <zeref> K,
[23:05] <zeref> noe just need to add to it to a script
[23:09] <bakuman> \o
[23:09] <bakuman> o/


[05:34] <mgh> quit
[05:34] <mgh> quit()
[08:46] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Are you here?
[10:11] <cob-olp_> I'm trying to build ubuntu-tv on 12.04 and pandaboard and I'm stuck on this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171497/
[10:12] <cob-olp_> does this mean that I installed qt4 (because in fact I installed), but not the one for pandaboard?
[11:14] <Saviq> cob-olp_, lp:ubuntutv won't build on 12.04
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Use Saviq's ppa:)
[11:14] <Saviq> not ppa
[11:14] <Saviq> branch
[11:15] <smartboyhw> sorry
[11:15] <Saviq> cob-olp_, but anyway cmake complains about the lack of the compiler, not even q
[11:15] <Saviq> qt
[11:23] <cob-olp_> I use this one  lp:~saviq/ubuntutv/precise_merge
[11:24] <Saviq> cob-olp_, that's ~ok, it's as close as you can get for 12.04
[11:24] <Saviq> cob-olp_, can't you just go `apt-get build-dep unity-2d`? that will install all build dependencies you need for building ubuntutv
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Yep, and at least it runs:)
[11:26] <cob-olp_> now I can :)
[11:27] <cob-olp_> why I have to `apt-get build-dep unity-2d`
[11:27] <cob-olp_> I thought that I have unity2d already
[11:27] <cob-olp_> and 3d as well
[11:27] <smartboyhw> cob-olp_: Just follow the instructions:)
[11:29] <cob-olp_> ok
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Actually it installs extra packages:)
[11:29] <cob-olp_> I saw that you have tried the same thing recently
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[11:30] <cob-olp_> did it work?
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Yes:) I am actually running it in a Ubuntu Studio with Unity:)
[11:30] <cob-olp_> Ubuntu Studio?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Yep. I installed ubuntu-desktop on it:)
[11:31] <cob-olp_> I don't understand
[11:32] <smartboyhw> cob-olp_: It was Xfce out-of-the-box, then I installed unity on it. The simple version
[11:34] <cob-olp_> ok
[11:34] <cob-olp_> unity and then ubuntu-tv
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Yep.
[11:34] <smartboyhw> You don't need to do so
[11:34] <smartboyhw> I do
[11:34] <cob-olp_> but I would like to run it on pandaboard
[11:35] <Saviq> cob-olp_, `apt-get build-dep` installs _build_ dependencies, not runtime dependencies
[11:36] <cob-olp_> thanks
[11:36] <Saviq> cob-olp_, means things that are needed to _build_ the package, not necessarily to run it
[11:36] <cob-olp_> now it's clear
[11:38] <smartboyhw> :)
[11:53] <smartboyhw> So cob-olp_: Does TV work in 12.04?
[11:53] <cob-olp_> I do not know
[11:53] <smartboyhw> Which step are you on?
[11:54] <cob-olp_> at the moment I'm stuck on apt-get build-dep unity-2d
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Why?
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Use sudo
[11:54] <cob-olp_> there are some problems
[11:54] <cob-olp_> I use sudo
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Copy and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <cob-olp_> but I do this on pandaboard
[11:55] <cob-olp_> ok
[11:56] <cob-olp_> will try to paste
[11:56] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[11:56] <cob-olp_> it is strange
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Why?
[11:57] <cob-olp_> some errors say that there is no space left
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Uh.
[11:57] <popey> df -h
[11:57] <cob-olp_> but there is free space
[11:57] <popey> do you have any space left?
[11:58] <cob-olp_> 600MB
[11:58] <smartboyhw> cob-olp_: That is a bit less...
[11:59] <cob-olp_> I hope that this doesn't mean that next SD card is broken
[12:00] <cob-olp_> but now there are errors right after I execute for example dpkg --configure -a
[12:02] <cob-olp_> will try to reboot
[12:04] <cob-olp_> after reboot "recovery required on readonly filesystem"...
[12:04] <cob-olp_> hope it will boot after recovery
[12:06] <smartboyhw> OK.
[12:06] <ogra_> looks more like your install wasnt run properly ... does the second partition actually fill the card ?
[12:07] <cob-olp_> yes
[12:07] <cob-olp_> I have only 4GB card
[12:07] <cob-olp_> I bought cheap, small after two were broken...
[12:07] <smartboyhw> cob-olp_: 4GB isn't enough AT ALL
[12:09] <cob-olp_> ok, but now I am pretty sure that this is not free space problem
[12:09] <cob-olp_> it looks like that
[12:11] <cob-olp_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171653/
[12:12] <smartboyhw> On the first 2 lines, do you actually have another terminal running?
[12:13] <cob-olp_> no in fact
[12:13] <cob-olp_> I'm right after reboot
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Hmm...I'm a bit dumbfounded
[12:13] <ogra_> hmm, did you use a proper ubuntu imae for this install ? doesnt really look like
[12:14] <cob-olp_> http://releases.linaro.org/12.04/components/platform/linaro-image-tools/linaro-image-tools-2012.04.tar.gz
[12:14] <cob-olp_> sorry
[12:14] <ogra_> yeah, linaro ...
[12:14] <cob-olp_> http://releases.linaro.org/12.04/ubuntu/leb-panda/lt-panda-x11-base_20120505-32-ubuntu-desktop.img.bz2
[12:15] <ogra_> no idea how they mix in their hacks and changes on top of ubuntu
[12:15] <cob-olp_> I can use any other
[12:16] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[12:16] <ogra_> thats the official doc pointing to the official images
[12:16] <cob-olp_> :)
[12:16] <cob-olp_> didn't know that there is official one
[12:18] <cob-olp_> thanks, will try with it
[12:19] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:20] <ogra_> also if you have arm questions or problems, there is #ubuntu-arm ;)
[12:22] <cob-olp_> ok
[12:22] <smartboyhw> ogra_ will help you a lot in ARM knowledge I'm sure
[12:47] <cob-olp_> should I use dd to copy this image to SD  card?
[12:48] <cob-olp_> or maybe there is different procedure?
[12:50] <ogra_> just follow the instructions on the wiki
[12:51] <ogra_> zcat image.img.gz | sudo dd of=/path/to/your/unmounted/SD/device
[12:52] <cob-olp_> ok, I decompressed manualy and now dd
[13:26] <smartboyhw> o/ bobweaver
[13:30] <bobweaver> hello smartboyhw  how are you today ?
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Fine. How are ya
[13:31] <bobweaver> ok trying to figure out why mythavtest is not working correctly
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[13:34] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,   hows the 12.04 experience coming along ?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Well, sorry, I re-installed my Ubuntu Studio, so no TV now:(
[13:35] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  I learned yesterday that Myth tv is the best
[13:35] <smartboyhw> True
[13:35] <bobweaver> and that threre is nothing out that that even compairs
[13:36] <bobweaver> with tgm4883  scope running this thing is a beast now only if mythavtest would play the videos
[13:37] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:50] <bobweaver> Dear tgm4883   you rock also here is how to get previews need to add this to lens and fill it in correct http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171828/
[13:51] <smartboyhw> bobweaver and tgm4883 you BOTH rock
[13:58] <jhodapp> New weekly update: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/08/28/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-8/
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Thanks jhodapp
[13:58] <jhodapp> np
[14:15] <smartboyhw> o/ bobweaver you're back!
[14:15] <bobweaver> yeah this is going to happen alot today as I am testing new lens and scopes
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Have you looked at the new weekly update?
[14:16] <bobweaver> trying to get the previews going for the myth tv scope
[14:16] <bobweaver> no
[14:16] <bobweaver> I have not seen that
[14:16] <bobweaver> what is the link again ?
[14:16] <bobweaver> !topioc
[14:16] <smartboyhw>  http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/08/28/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-8/
[14:16] <bobweaver> !topic
[14:16] <bobweaver> thansk
[14:17] <bobweaver> none of that makes sense to me
[14:17] <bobweaver> esp grilo
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Why?
[14:17] <bobweaver> because myth does all that
[14:17] <bobweaver> and a box of tricks
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Yeah, ask jhodapp for taht
[14:18] <smartboyhw> *that
[14:18] <bobweaver> weve talked
[14:18] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:18] <bobweaver> bottom line is this there is no other thing out there that I know of that can read data like myth
[14:18] <bobweaver> IE E.I.T
[14:19] <bobweaver> dont get me wrong grilo is awesome
[14:19] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:19] <bobweaver> but it needs so much work that IDT that it is worth it when there are things that are faster and included in the thing that you need the most
[14:19] <bobweaver> that beeing myth tv
[14:20] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:20] <bobweaver> there is no other way to watch live tv
[14:20] <bobweaver> with out it
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:20] <bobweaver> And it scans all of you data for you and sets it up real nice
[14:20] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:21] <bobweaver> now that form-factor tv is there we can use the services api in lens and scopes to get all that info
[14:21] <bobweaver> and present to the end user in the dash
[14:21] <bobweaver> I would say that if we want to use grilo
[14:21] <bobweaver> 1) Implant into myth tv 1st
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Uh huh
[14:22] <bobweaver> then just use as a secondary meta grabber
[14:22] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:22] <bobweaver> but I still dont see the point
[14:22] <bobweaver> The #1 thing that people do with tv's are watch them
[14:22] <bobweaver> how you going to watch tv on ubuntu tv with out myth
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I do agree;)
[14:23] <bobweaver> That is the real question that should be floating around
[14:23] <bobweaver> But Like I saud I use and like grilo
[14:23] <bobweaver> said *
[14:23] <smartboyhw> bobweaver I support you:)
[14:24] <bobweaver> but myth api offers all that and a bag of tricks
[14:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:24] <bobweaver> and after RE the unity-scope-videos-remote last night it would work the same dang way :)
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:25] <bobweaver> maybe put a debconf file in there that can be used on install that ask's the user what there IP for there server is and then fills in the blanks via ppostinst
[14:26] <bobweaver> or have Ubuntu Fill there servers with all the meta data allready that they have
[14:26] <bobweaver> as the scope calls the ubuntu server
[14:26] <bobweaver> it is in the code on the 1 10 lines
[14:27] <tgm4883> bobweaver, doesn't it just get a list of sources?
[14:28] <bobweaver> cat /usr/lib/unity-scope-video-remote/unity-scope-video-remote | grep "SERVER
[14:29] <bobweaver> cat /usr/lib/unity-scope-video-remote/unity-scope-video-remote | grep "SERVER"
[14:30] <bobweaver> Not sure tgm4883  that is why I am RE'ing it
[14:30] <tgm4883> cat /usr/lib/unity-scope-video-remote/unity-scope-video-remote | grep -B 5 -A 5 "SERVER"
[14:30] <bobweaver> Not sure tgm4883  that is why I am RE'ing it
[14:30] <tgm4883> """Query the server for a list of sources that will be used
[14:30] <tgm4883>         to build sources filter options and search queries."""
[14:30] <tgm4883>         msg = Soup.Message.new("GET", SERVER + "/sources")
[14:30] <bobweaver> so it gets a list
[14:30] <jhodapp> what's the issue, I've been working on the remote scope recently...anything I can answer?
[14:31] <bobweaver> how to plug in previews jhodapp
[14:31] <jhodapp> what do you mean?
[14:31] <bobweaver> hang on I will pastebn
[14:31] <bobweaver> thanks for jumping in
[14:31] <jhodapp> np
[14:32] <jhodapp> you are using the latest version of the remote video scope's source, right?
[14:32] <jhodapp> it has a preview plugged in
[14:32] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171897/
[14:32] <bobweaver> that is the scope that we are trying to add previews to
[14:32] <jhodapp> it has a preview
[14:32] <bobweaver> yeah I am using the most Bleeding edge
[14:32] <jhodapp> preview = Unity.MoviePreview.new(title, subtitle, desc, thumbnail_icon)
[14:32] <jhodapp>         play_video = Unity.PreviewAction.new("play", _("Play"), None)
[14:32] <jhodapp>         play_video.connect('activated', self.play_video)
[14:32] <jhodapp>         preview.add_action(play_video)
[14:32] <jhodapp>         #TODO: insert proper uploader and upload date when available in videosearch metadata
[14:32] <jhodapp>         preview.add_info(Unity.InfoHint.new("uploaded-by", _("Uploaded by"), None, ""));
[14:32] <bobweaver> there not working
[14:32] <jhodapp>         preview.add_info(Unity.InfoHint.new("uploaded-on", _("Uploaded on"), None, ""));
[14:32] <jhodapp>         return preview
[14:33] <bobweaver> I just added that
[14:33] <bobweaver> there are #comments  where I am adding stuff
[14:33] <jhodapp> so on_activate_uri() is not getting called?
[14:33] <bobweaver> correct
[14:33] <jhodapp> err, on_preview_uri
[14:34] <bobweaver> line 57 ?
[14:34] <jhodapp> yeah, looks correct
[14:34] <jhodapp> you're not using a new enough unity then
[14:34] <jhodapp> I had that issue...use the unity staging ppa
[14:34] <bobweaver> that is crazy I am on staging ppa
[14:35] <jhodapp> oh, I'm not sure then as that's what I'm using
[14:35] <bobweaver> sorry
[14:35] <bobweaver> let me try again
[14:35] <jhodapp> paste the URL of the staging ppa you're using
[14:35] <bobweaver> so yesterday me and tgm rocked the world with his mythtv scope
[14:35] <bobweaver> that is what you are seing in that paste
[14:36] <jhodapp> very cool
[14:36] <bobweaver> but me beeing a N00b to python don't help so what is going on here is that the scope works great
[14:36] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:36] <bobweaver> but just not the previews
[14:36] <bobweaver> that is the only thing that is not working
[14:37] <jhodapp> paste the URL please
[14:37] <bobweaver> I am getting back picture from my mythtv backend and all my videos ect
[14:38] <bobweaver> unity-team-staging-quantal.list
[14:38] <bobweaver> that is  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:38] <bobweaver> where do I find link ?
[14:38] <bobweaver> I got the link from the Ubuntu tv page last week
[14:39] <jhodapp> using this? ppa:unity-team/staging
[14:39] <jhodapp> https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/staging
[14:40] <bobweaver> it is the http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging/ubuntu
[14:40] <bobweaver> that one
[14:40] <tgm4883> the url is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/unity-team-staging-quantal.list
[14:40] <tgm4883> the filename doesn't really matter
[14:41] <bobweaver> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging/ubuntu quantal main
[14:41] <bobweaver> that is what is installed
[14:42] <bobweaver> updateing and upgradeing
[14:43] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  do you see anything in that file that need to be added like json or anything like that for previews
[14:43] <bobweaver> or a glib or something maybe ?
[14:44] <jhodapp> not for a preview to work, it's as easy as those lines that I pasted above, and having the signal handlers properly connected
[14:44] <jhodapp> like I said, I'm 99% sure you're just missing the latest unity/libunity
[14:46] <bobweaver> Unity is now beeing upgraded
[14:46] <jhodapp> cool
[14:46] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  did you see my rant about meatadata
[14:46] <bobweaver> and myth tv
[14:47] <jhodapp> I did, and I don't know what to say about it other than we decided to use Grilo
[14:47] <jhodapp> I don't know enough about MythTV to comment on it's merits or otherwise
[14:47] <bobweaver> that is get how you going to get EIT
[14:48] <jhodapp> bobweaver, that's not overly difficult
[14:48] <jhodapp> if you're done it before
[14:48] <jhodapp> you've
[14:48] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  I think that you should look into that and the fact that myth tv is the only open source software that plays live tv (at least that I know about )
[14:49] <jhodapp> bobweaver, that's not to say that we haven't looked at it, I just haven't looked at it
[14:49] <bobweaver> ahh cool
[14:49] <jhodapp> we being the uTV team in Canonical
[14:49] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:49] <bobweaver> when are you guys ever going to let the public in
[14:49] <bobweaver> I think that I have permission
[14:49] <smartboyhw> bobweaver certainly has:)
[14:49] <jhodapp> 13.04 will be huge for that
[14:50] <bobweaver> like when mark shuttleworth said welcome to the team
[14:50] <jhodapp> and you already are in some ways now, the previews work
[14:50] <bobweaver> 2x
[14:50] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:51] <bobweaver> I think that one of the most imporant things with this whole thing is beeing over looked
[14:52] <jhodapp> bobweaver, you read my email to you at the end of last week, right?
[14:52] <bobweaver> the most imporant thing to joe average is that he can watch his news or what ever it is that he wants to
[14:52] <bobweaver> yes sis you read the follow up jhodapp
[14:52] <bobweaver> did *
[14:53] <smartboyhw> For me it is that I can talk to my TV using Skype app in my TV, using voice control for me:)
[14:53] <jhodapp> I did yes
[14:53] <jhodapp> bobweaver, so 13.04 will be huge, and until then you just gotta be patient
[14:54] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  yeah and when the dude on the tv is about to blow up and says "we need to shut down the bomb"  your tv shuts down
[14:54] <smartboyhw> I think bobweaver doesn't have the patience *sigh*
[14:54] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: LOL
[14:55] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  that is not true you are just saying that
[14:57] <bobweaver> IDGI I mean what you think that I will leak things ? or that I will take code and run . I guess that my 100's of push's of code dont show anything
[14:57] <bobweaver> that is a slap to the face of the community
[14:57] <jhodapp> bobweaver, it is true
[14:57] <bobweaver> ehh water under the bridge
[14:57] <bobweaver> :)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> I support bobweaver
[14:59] <bobweaver> when there are questions like the one that I have and other just say wait that means that people are hiddig things
[14:59] <tgm4883> bobweaver, A lot of this will get sorted during UDS-R
[15:00] <bobweaver> that is great
[15:00] <bobweaver> I thought that we where a team
[15:00] <bobweaver> But I guess that the canonical employee's do not want there to be a community team
[15:01] <tgm4883> bobweaver, Historically, Canonical has played some things close to the vest
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Yeah, Canonical wants the whole project be their own:(
[15:01] <tgm4883> until it's going to be included
[15:01] <bobweaver> IDGI I thought that it was open source ?
[15:01] <tgm4883> if you look at how things have been done in the past, you will realize that Ubuntu TV will not be shipping in 12.10
[15:01] <smartboyhw> So do I
[15:01] <bobweaver> oh I know that for sure
[15:02] <bobweaver> but 13.04 either at the rate things are going
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Sure, at 13.04 we will all be dead:(
[15:02] <bobweaver> esp when you got bamf coders just sitting by on there hands
[15:02] <tgm4883> so when jhodapp says it will be big in 13.04, that probably means that things will start being public (since they would need to be)
[15:02] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, 13.04 is like 2-3 months away
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Er, we can't wait. Do we, bobweaver>
[15:03] <bobweaver> what ?
[15:03] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, depending on what you are working on, you don't have to wait
[15:03] <bobweaver> I can wait but I will test the alpha and if there is something that I see I make patch and send upstream
[15:03] <bobweaver> that is what I am
[15:04] <bobweaver> I am a tester
[15:04] <tgm4883> for instance, I didn't wait to start on the MythTV scope
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Well, I don't know how to code Grilo, and I'm best at testing, which I have to wait.
[15:04] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, you could test grilo?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: How to? You need people to CODE grilo
[15:04] <jhodapp> bobweaver, all I can say is, come to UDS-R or if you can't, join in online for the TV sessions. We will already have input UDS sessions online for everyone to read and think about
[15:04] <bobweaver> I have not used a stable version of *nix in like 2 years and I just started using  * nix 2.5 years ago
[15:05] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  you can test girlo there is a ppa
[15:05] <bobweaver> and grilo is awesome
[15:05] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, well it's a gnome project, so I'd assume you can install it somehow ;)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I'm in ubuntu Studio now:(
[15:05] <tgm4883> it isn't an internal canonical project
[15:06] <smartboyhw> I can't do it right now.... I'm not in Unity:(
[15:06] <bobweaver> plz dont think that I am knocking grilo i am not it is awesome. But tools are tools and there made for only certian things.  Where's the ppa then?
[15:06] <bobweaver> launchpad :P
[15:07] <smartboyhw> **** it
[15:07] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  https://launchpad.net/~grilo-team/+archive/ppa
[15:07] <bobweaver> but I think that there is a newer  one
[15:07] <bobweaver> and git has the bleeding edge
[15:07] <bobweaver> 1.1
[15:08] <jhodapp> bobweaver, you are wrong in thinking that we don't want community participation...we do...why would I still be chatting with you if we didn't want your help when we actually have things more organized for the community to participate in?
[15:08] <bobweaver> which is installed on this systen and works all but mine that is
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[15:08] <bobweaver> it dont connect well it does then drops
[15:08] <bobweaver> +1 jhodapp
[15:08] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  plz dont take this like I am yelling or pissed
[15:09] <jhodapp> bobweaver, it does seem like it, it's not very professional
[15:09] <bobweaver> it is that I want to understand where the future is how I can help and not over code
[15:09] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  I dont know that I am v.profess
[15:10] <smartboyhw> I'm installing grilo now
[15:10] <bobweaver> of all things, I know that it is easy to say wait and you have not done that jhodapp  but yet you have , I am glad that you are honest with me and again I am not mad or anything I just want to understand
[15:10] <jhodapp> bobweaver, I understand, you are ahead of the game here, ahead of what myself and team are actively working on ourselves...so to avoid not having to recode things, just sit tight and follow the weekly updates.
[15:11] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  grilo is great previews are great but there needs to be communication that is what I am talkingabout
[15:11] <smartboyhw> I'm having errors in installing the plugins of grilo
[15:11] <jhodapp> what would you like to know about them?
[15:11] <bobweaver> I am not ahead of "game" I did not know that there was a game
[15:12] <jhodapp> game, figure of speech
[15:12] <bobweaver> for 1 ) myth tv that needs to be put on the plate that is the most imporant thing that I can think of
[15:12] <bobweaver> or gnome-dvb what ever but how can we make scopes lens ect with out the core fundamentals
[15:12] <smartboyhw> help, I can't get grilo plugins installed
[15:13] <bobweaver> 2) should I help with building unity if yes just anwser my question about naming new files or if I should just put in case statements
[15:14] <bobweaver> I def dont think that I am smarter or "better" then any one in fact that is why I come to you with questions
[15:14] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:14] <jhodapp> bobweaver, for 1) we already have some technology that we're considering for live TV, for 2) you can help with unity as much as you like and the place to do that is with the unity team since desktop Unity and TV Unity are the same thing.
[15:15] <tgm4883> jhodapp, +1
[15:15] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  anything to know about renameing and or casestaments
[15:15] <bobweaver> and thanks for the stright anwser
[15:15] <jhodapp> bobweaver, I'm not sure what you're referring to with that
[15:15] <jhodapp> can you be more specific?
[15:15] <bobweaver> sure
[15:15] <tgm4883> I'd say we can probably get the MythTV scope 90% of the way there without seeing the DVR lens
[15:16] <jhodapp> definitely
[15:17] <bobweaver> say I want to make for  the standaloneunity formfactor-tv a newer looking launcher (like the one that was in TV 2d ) now there are 2 ways that I can think about doing this
[15:17] <smartboyhw> I can't install the grilo plugins:(((((
[15:17] <bobweaver> 1) make casestaments in the dash saying if form_factor = tv do this
[15:18] <bobweaver> 2) make new .cpp .h  and call it SimpleLauncher or StandaloneSimpleLauncher
[15:19] <jhodapp> bobweaver, the second approach
[15:19] <bobweaver> I do not know the naming conventions , should they stay the same that they where when there was 2d ? like it was called SimpleLauncher in 2d
[15:19] <jhodapp> since you're basing it off the demo, yes that's fine
[15:19] <bobweaver> sweet
[15:19] <bobweaver> I waited 4 days for that
[15:20] <bobweaver> that was all I wanted now I can write up a framework and hand off to the unity guys !!!
[15:20] <jhodapp> sorry, I didn't see you ask that (or so directly)
[15:20] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  then you should check your email
[15:20] <bobweaver> maybe you missed my last one ?
[15:20] <bobweaver> :) thanks
[15:20] <jhodapp> I might have
[15:21] <bobweaver> that is all that I am after is simple questions like that
[15:21] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  I am sorry if I am brash
[15:21] <bobweaver> not my intentions
[15:22] <bobweaver> plz dont take personal
[15:22] <jhodapp> that's cool man, questions are good
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Er, you said I should go and test grilo, right??
[15:22] <smartboyhw> I can't install the plugins
[15:22] <jhodapp> what's the issue smartboyhw?
[15:22] <smartboyhw> I can't install the plugins of grilo
[15:22] <jhodapp> errors?
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Yep
[15:22] <tgm4883> did you try installing the plugins?
[15:23] <bobweaver> I think you and all the crew are top notch there is no way that I think that I am smarter then any one on this planet we all have are down falls but there are things that I can help with
[15:23] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, pastebin the error output
[15:23] <tgm4883> sorry, couldn't resist ;P
[15:23] <jhodapp> thanks bobweaver
[15:24] <smartboyhw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1171969/
[15:25] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, I recommend install grilo-0.2 from source
[15:25] <jhodapp> and the plugins
[15:25] <jhodapp> that's the version uTV will be using (for now)
[15:25] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Er, I'm afraid there ISN'T a 0.2
[15:26] <smartboyhw> I can't find it:(
[15:26] <bobweaver> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/grilo/0.2/
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Thx
[15:26] <bobweaver> there is also a git
[15:27] <bobweaver> but there is a tar ball
[15:27] <smartboyhw> I want the git
[15:27] <bobweaver> google it it is easy to find
[15:28] <jhodapp> use the tarball, git main is already on 0.3
[15:29] <smartboyhw> I can't find the git...
[15:29] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  listen to jhodapp  he is smart
[15:29] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Don't I know that
[15:30] <bobweaver> he is saying that you should use 0.2 because that is what ubuntu tv is going to use
[15:30] <smartboyhw> I know, I can't even find the git of 0.2:(
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Using Google
[15:30] <bobweaver> and if the main branch is up to 0.3 then it would be a waste
[15:30] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  you have read https://live.gnome.org/Grilo/
[15:31] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:36] <bobweaver> alright unity is updated lets see if the previews now work on tgm's scope
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I can't do the testing of grilo, the ppa messed up my apt-get.
[16:41] <tgm4883> 80HMfPBetk73kJwnXlCt1.0
[16:42] <tgm4883> 0.
[16:42] <tgm4883> 666
[16:43] <tgm4883> .
[16:44] <tgm4883><PHONE_NUMBER>0000000000000000000
[16:44] <jhodapp> problems? :)
[16:44] <tgm4883><PHONE_NUMBER>000
[16:44] <jhodapp> or has the devil taken over with 666
[16:44] <tgm4883> 0
[16:45] <jhodapp> I'm seeing weird output from you tgm4883
[16:45] <tgm4883> +
[16:46] <jhodapp> got a + sign
[16:48] <bobweaver> Oo
[16:49] <tgm4883> --
[16:53] <bobweaver> I can not get these dang previews to show up for the myth tv scope :(
[16:54] <bobweaver> not even just a play button or something IDK if it has anything to do with zeitguest or what sorry tgm4883
[16:54] <jhodapp> bobweaver, have you tried the latest remote video scope?
[16:54] <bobweaver> yeah jhodapp  all the defaults work wesome
[16:54] <bobweaver> awesome *
[16:54] <jhodapp> oh good
[16:54] <jhodapp> so you right click on a video, and you get the preview view?
[16:55] <bobweaver> But me and tgm4883  where trying to intergrate the mythscope into the previews
[16:55] <bobweaver> yes sir abbout the button 3 thingy ;)
[16:57] <bobweaver> so atm I am trying to compair the videos remote daemon too the mythtv scope daemon and all I can see is that I am not entering in the correct place that it is getting info or that zeitguest might have something to do with it I know 0 about zeitguest
[16:58] <jhodapp> bobweaver, Z should have nothing to do with it
[17:00] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1172174/  << is what I got I know that when I am def previews it is not pulling in the correct info but I am wonder if I can even just get the buttons to show up
[17:01] <bobweaver> here this one should be formated to python http://paste.ubuntu.com/1172176/
[17:01] <bobweaver>
[17:01] <bobweaver> lines 97 too 123
[17:02] <jhodapp> bobweaver, are you getting into on_preview_uri()?
[17:04] <bobweaver> I though that that is how I can connect to the previews page maybe tgm4883  can anwser that if he keyboard is ok :)
[17:04] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  I am sorr but I dont understand what you are asking
[17:04] <bobweaver> sorry *
[17:04] <bobweaver> I do not use python everyday
[17:05] <jhodapp> bobweaver, the function, is it getting called when you right click on a video in the lens?
[17:05] <bobweaver> oh yeah
[17:05] <bobweaver> but nothing is showing up
[17:05] <jhodapp> what happens, anything?
[17:06] <jhodapp> visually
[17:06] <bobweaver> lines 99 too 102 are the troubles I think
[17:06] <bobweaver> I will take screen shot for yah
[17:06] <jhodapp> why don't you replace those variables with some string literals
[17:06] <jhodapp> just for proof of concept reasons
[17:06] <bobweaver> Ok
[17:09] <bobweaver> brb
[17:09] <bobweaver> thanks for helping me jhodapp
[17:09] <jhodapp> np
[17:35] <bobweaver> yeah the minute that I changed the vars to be strings the scope would not load anymore
[17:36] <bobweaver> Like I tried to even break it down to one string that it would return and it was still broken there is something else maybe the way that the lens its self is handling the function
[17:37] <jhodapp> sorry, yes you can't get rid of all of those vars
[17:37] <jhodapp> later functions rely on the embedded "metdata://" tags
[17:41] <tgm4883> well that is interesting
[17:41] <tgm4883> I would bet that my wife put something down on the keyboard at home :/
[17:53] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  that is funny do you have a cat or any animals ?
[17:54] <tgm4883> a dog, but I texted the wife, it was her
[17:55] <bobweaver> lol
[17:56] <bobweaver> so yeah i am trying like heck to get this previews going but I am not sure that I am going to be able to do thou I know do understand alot more of how there made and what to call to get them to show up
[17:56] <bobweaver> but cant even get text to show in due time
[17:56] <tgm4883> I'll work on it probably this weekend. Got a busy week this week
[17:58] <bobweaver> sure is nice thou to have over 500 gigs of movie/tv right in the dash
[17:58] <bobweaver> now that is
[17:59] <bobweaver> and mythavtest is working great also


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[13:15] <snap-l> Apparenty it's one of those home networking jobbie-doos
[13:16] <snap-l> Of course, if it works better than my current router...
[13:16] <rick_h_> damn I think my eyes are cursed. "I'll just replace this footrest...hmm...oh that one looks nice"
[13:16] <rick_h_> and of course it costs 5x the rest of them :/
[13:17] <snap-l> rick_h_: You have expensive tastes. :)
[13:17] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/UotB5
[13:18] <rick_h_> I mean look at the rest of the 'customers also viewed..."
[13:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: you just need to train your cats better
[13:18] <rick_h_> I've trained them to run when I enter the room
[13:18] <snap-l> they'll sit for hours as a footrest
[13:18] <rick_h_> works well for me
[13:18] <snap-l> Wwait, footrest?  I can't do the whole day standing
[13:19] <snap-l> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RcdOetk8L.jpg
[13:19] <snap-l> Dude, this isn't a footrest, it's a fucking skateboard
[13:20] <rick_h_> but it looks like a nice footrest :P
[13:22] <snap-l> http://www.aaafurnituredirect.com/servlet/the-12496/Maitland-Smith-4231-dsh-026-Mahogany/Detail?gclid=CJvSj_Gi97UCFULf4AodvywApg <- rick_h_
[13:22] <rick_h_> lol
[13:54] <brousch> Now that's a footrest
[14:08] <jrwren_> http://i3wm.org/
[14:17] <jrwren_> juju is a cross platform alternative to elastic beanstalk.
[14:17] <rick_h_> no lockin ftw :)
[14:18] <jrwren_> yay
[17:20] <rick_h_> l..o...l https://twitter.com/DGoddamnGlover/status/310523253787619331
[17:22] <snap-l> You're not a real hipster until I see you at the coffee shop with one of these: http://ur1.ca/d1pqs
[17:26] <dzho> heh
[17:26] <dzho> we actually have book binding equipment at the local hackerspace
[17:26] <dzho> not a press, but some trimming hardware
[17:26] <dzho> one of which could probably lop off a leg without slowing down
[17:29] <snap-l> Yeah, the local game shop has a POD service that has trimming and binding stuff
[17:30] <snap-l> and yes, it looks like serious business
[17:32] <brousch> snap-l: Remember how I said yesterday that I had no idea what "Roll up the rim to win means"?
[17:32] <snap-l> brousch: Saw the commercial?
[17:32] <brousch> This morning I went to Tim hortons, and there, in giant letters on my cup is "RRROLL UP THE RIM TO WIN"
[17:32] <snap-l> ;)
[17:33] <snap-l> and now you know
[18:42] <rick_h_> hmm, wher's jcastro been
[18:43] <snap-l> He's still on IRC, just not in this channel
[18:43] <greg-g> SEE WHAT HAPPENS! THEY HATE THE COMMUNITY NOW!
[18:43] <snap-l> Hoping the whome community kerfluffle didn't scare him away.
[18:43] <greg-g> :)
[18:43] <snap-l> It's all because greg-g ragequit
[18:44] <snap-l> though greg-g still shows as having signed the CoC.
[18:44]  * snap-l unsigned it in solidarity
[18:44] <greg-g> the original one, not the updated one
[18:44] <greg-g> I de-memberized
[18:45] <brousch> I believe the official term is bobbitized
[18:46] <greg-g> lol
[18:46] <greg-g> brousch++
[18:46] <brousch> Goes well with CoC
[18:47] <brousch> To join, sign up for the CoC. To leave, you bobbitize
[18:49]  * greg-g hangs head
[18:50] <brousch> Too much?
[18:50] <greg-g> naw, it was the obvious next step
[18:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Ah, I unsigned both
[19:01] <brousch> snap-l: You can't unsign! You're our leader!
[19:03] <snap-l> technically, it's not a requirement
[19:04] <snap-l> at least I didn't see anything about it outside of being a member or ubuntero
[19:05] <snap-l> and I'm not sure it's even being followed. I mentioed the Collaborator section to Mark S. on G+
[19:05] <snap-l> my big concern was the community seems to get this information after the roadmap is determined
[19:07] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/116915640151584325691/posts/24jCKe2dejV
[19:08] <snap-l> That's been my pain-point with the community thus far.
[19:32] <dzho> snap-l: he references bug #1 but then talks about how it's a multi-device world.
[19:33] <dzho> The problem with that is that bug #1 is aimed specifically at the dominance of one company, Microsoft, of one platform, the desktop.
[19:33] <dzho> In a multi-device world, both of those matter less.
[19:57] <snap-l> Yeah, and eventually I may resign the CoC
[19:58] <snap-l> but for now I think I need a break to regain my enthusiasm
[19:59] <greg-g> there's #ubuntu-expats on OFTC ;)
[19:59] <snap-l> oftc? rly?
[19:59] <greg-g> 'tis where Debain channels live
[20:02] <brousch> Only channel I've ever visited there was #cherrypy
[20:45] <snap-l> https://www.uber.com/cities/detroit#cities
[22:08] <jrwren_> rick_h_droid: w/out a makefile in curdir, i can make blah and it will search for blah.c and invoke CC or blah.cpp and invoke CPP, what is this default makefile?
[22:11] <snap-l> Evening
[22:11] <snap-l> MUG Meeting tonight
[22:30] <rick_h_> jrwren_: no idea :/
[22:32] <rick_h_> lol http://instagram.com/p/WxGDicmT9b/
[22:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's awesome. :)
[23:49] <jrwren_> rick_h_: turns out, you can just leave empty rules
[23:58] <rick_h_> jrwren_: defaults ftw!


[05:30]  * nlsthzn waves
[05:32] <Uxthui> nlsthzn: Morning.
[05:32] <nlsthzn> Uxthui: Good morning, glad to see you on IRC again :)
[05:32] <Uxthui> I was last night as well, but there was no activity.
[05:35] <nlsthzn> There never is... not here, not on meetup... I am not sure if there is some other place I am not aware off...
[06:15] <Uxthui> nlsthzn: Sorry, I had to go, dad woke up.
[06:18] <nlsthzn> Uxthui: Not a problem... I am at work so I am up and down too
[15:45] <nlsthzn> One more day passed...  now to go be lazy at home :p
[19:46] <nlsthzn> night all


[02:04] <ronj> hello mozillateam folks. I just upgraded to firefox-aurora 8.0a2 through the Natty PPA (that was the first 8.x update), and Firefox segfaults. Starting with a fresh new profile works though; could you help me to narrow down what in my profile causes the crash? (and bugreport if necessary). Thanks!
[02:05] <ronj> the only thing I get in the terminal is "Segmentation fault", which doesn't help me a lot. Maybe starting in some kind of verbose mode would help, or point me at the logs
[02:12] <ronj> hmkay, -safe-mode did the trick, the crash was caused by an addon, Echofon 2.2.2 :)
[02:13] <ronj> one unrelated comment though: isn't this version supposed to be called Aurora? Here I read "Mozilla Developer Preview", which looks like it is a Nightly. Is it expected or will it change in the next few days?
[06:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: you see any problem with me pulling in the mongodb using libv8 from Debian?
[06:47] <SteezMcGee420> How do I IRC?
[07:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you see any problem with me pulling in the mongodb using libv8 from Debian?
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i'm not the right person to talk to, but the current version is quite important to the server team at the moment
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> so please don't do anything with mongodb without talking to dustin first
[07:53] <chrisccoulson> which is why i ended up having to fix mongodb just after the platform rally ;)
[07:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, will send him a mail, thanks
[07:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, I figured you would at least know who to talk to :)
[07:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you update all the firefox PPAs to the latest train versions? (I'm updating /topic)
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> everything is up-to-date already, except for oneiric
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that today though, but i wanted to wait to get the new apport hook in
[07:56] <micahg> k, I'm running trunk on oneiric anyways :)
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too
[08:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg, do you want to test the new hook before i upload it? and is there any other information you want in there too?
[08:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: nah, I can test it later and we can always add stuff (trying to finish up so I can get some sleep :))
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> sure, no problem
[20:16] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:36] <z0x1c> Not sure if questions are accepted here - apparently FF7 hasn't hit the firefox-next PPA for Natty 64-bit yet?
[22:15] <micahg> z0x1c: thanks, the package failed to build, someone will take a look
[22:20] <z0x1c> micahg: Thanks for the update. I'll patiently wait for the repo then.
[23:08] <BUGabundo> in the mist of the night, I leave no trail. only one waits me, my beloved feather pillow
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> z0x1c, oh, i hadn't noticed that the current beta failed to build on natty
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> i've just fixed that, but there's a massive backlog with the PPA builders


[00:07] <Unit193> ochosi: Can we drop this delta https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-datetime-plugin/0.7.0-1ubuntu1?  Nobody cares about this plugin anymore, right?
[02:56] <bluesabre> Unit193: I could theoretically apply that to master and do a release
[02:56] <bluesabre> (at least apply it to master)
[02:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Heh, looked at a bunch of our delta, and it's 'lp######.patch' patches! :P
[02:57] <bluesabre> oh hey, I do that all the time
[03:01] <bluesabre> Unit193: look, I even have recent commits :D https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-datetime-plugin/log/
[03:02] <bluesabre> time for bed, good night everybody@!
[03:03] <Unit193> G'nighty!
[10:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-datetime-plugin/commit/?id=c66b3ae4dc582bb06d009b28bcc5ecbb33c54bc0, next release, no more delta
[10:22] <Unit193> \o/
[19:26] <Spass> that "Example for a custom action" description should probably be changed here - https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/Thunar/uca.xml.in
[19:28] <Spass> line 36
[21:59] <andreas> Hallo


[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131887 in human-icon-theme (main) "Trash Icon looks like it's from the 1980's" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131887
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131890 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "flashplugin-nonfree failed to install (dup-of: 131865)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131890
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131922 in Ubuntu "[Gutsy Tribe 4]   Multiple Broadcom Errors on Dell Inspiron E1505 Notebook" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131922
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131923 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "package flashplugin-nonfree <IP_ADDRESS>.0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-nonfree.postinst: 107: Syntax error: "do" unexpected (expecting "fi")" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131923
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131925 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Metasploit Framework 2.7" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131925
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131926 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "interface device not created when plugging in some prism2.5 PCMCIA cards" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131926
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131929 in kdeedu (main) "package ktouch 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131929
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131930 in openoffice.org (main) "fails to launch on non-GNOME desktops" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131930
[09:37] <khermans_> packages.ubuntu.com is down
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131932 in Ubuntu "Can not read non-english files on a CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131932
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131935 in kaffeine (main) "Kaffeine crashes when trying to play any video file in 7.10 Gusty Gibbon (xine)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131935
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131936 in Ubuntu "Update Manager Cant Complete Install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131936
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131937 in Ubuntu "Gutsy installation fails on HP 6510b" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131937
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131939 in Ubuntu "desktop effects update renders hard drive unoperable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131939
[10:02] <Fujitsu> O_o
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131941 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "flashplugin-nonfree_<IP_ADDRESS>.0ubuntu7_i386.deb" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131941
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131943 in Ubuntu "When using mplayer, vlc, kmplayer in 7.10 Gusty Gibbon with ATI card fglrx, xv overlay, the video appears "Shaky"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131943
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131944 in epiphany-browser (main) "[wishlist]  Build in WebKit support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131944
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #131945 in Ubuntu "Bad recognition of DD by ata_piix" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131945
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131946 in firehol (universe) "Firehol in Ubuntu 6.10 can't work properly due change in reserved ips" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131946
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131947 in vim-rails (universe) "vim-rails doesn't work with vim-addon-manager" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131947
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #125007 in telepathy-butterfly (universe) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with ProtocolError in __on_message_received()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125007
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131948 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Exaile Music Player for GTK+" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131948
[11:46] <thekorn> !info exaile
[11:46] <ubotu> exaile: flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+debian-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 294 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[11:46] <RAOF> thekorn: It's already marked as invalid :)
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #131950 in openoffice.org (main) "Strange small capitals" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131950
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #131952 in cupsys (main) "REJECTING access to capability 'dac_override' (cupsd(6348) profile /usr/sbin/cupsd active /usr/sbin/cupsd)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131952
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131954 in firefox (main) "firefox crash very often randomly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131954
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131953 in knetworkmanager (main) "Knetworkmanager not initialize wireless network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131953
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131955 in mldonkey (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync mldonkey (2.9.0-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131955
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131957 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe 4 live CD don't boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131957
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131958 in penguintv (universe) "PenguinTV segfaults with GtkWarning: gtk_window_resize: assertion `width > 0' failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131958
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #131959 in Ubuntu "Gutsy boot hangs at loading hardware drivers for external MyBook HD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131959
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #131960 in python-gtk2 (universe) "IA__g_object_remove_toggle_ref: couldn't find toggle ref 0xb7c94a30(0x84f2f54)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131960
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131961 in initramfs-tools (main) "segfault when booting 2.6.22-9-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131961
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #131962 in hyperlatex (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync hyperlatex (2.9a-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131962
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #131963 in wmtune (universe) "[Remove]  Please remove wmtune from the archive" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131963
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131964 in gnome-panel (main) ""search for files.." entry in gnome-menu should launch tracker-search-tool" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131964
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131965 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Skge broken for Marvell network chip" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131965
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131969 in devscripts (main) "Why to use DEBEMAIL instead of EMAIL at requestsync" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131969
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131970 in Ubuntu "Video appears reddish/purple." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131970
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131971 in vls (universe) "Please sync vls (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131971
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131973 in Ubuntu "desktop random freezes in feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131973
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #131974 in ubuntulooks (main) "ubuntulooks engine does not respect gtk-icon-sizes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131974
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131975 in kde-style-qtcurve (universe) "[Sync request]  Please sync qtcurve (0.52.3-1) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131975
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131976 in cupsys (main) "package cupsys 1.2.12-3ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131976
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131977 in ubuntu-meta (main) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.61 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131977
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131979 in hal-cups-utils (main) "package hal-cups-utils 0.6.11-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131979
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131978 in binutils (main) "ld crashed with SIGSEGV in strchr()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131978
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131981 in debian-installer (main) "[gutsy]  Daily CD Aug 12 fails: no valid kernel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131981
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131982 in Ubuntu "suspend, hibernate dont work properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131982
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131983 in tracker (main) "[gutsy]  trackerd kills disk io" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131983
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131984 in Ubuntu "[Gutsy Tribe 4]  Tried to enable highest degree of desktop effects, but box pops up telling me I don't have nvidia" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131984
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131985 in gajim (universe) "Developer credits don't show up on about dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131985
[03:17] <Nafallo> ooh. kinky.
[03:17] <Nafallo> damnit!
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131986 in boinc (universe) "Gutsy Boinc not connecting to project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131986
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131987 in Ubuntu "Help file for gnome game "Five or More" doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131987
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131989 in Ubuntu "The module Disk & Filesystem could not be loaded" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131989
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131990 in hal-cups-utils (main) "Wrong driver for my Canon iP3000" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131990
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131991 in pyrenamer (universe) "Please sync pyrenamer 0.4-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131991
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131994 in knetworkmanager (main) "knetworkmanager crashed on resume from hibernate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131994
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #131995 in xorg (main) "playing a video in various players crashes X or KDE in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131995
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131996 in tmda (universe) "Please upgrade tmda to 1.1.12" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131996
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131997 in banshee (universe) "banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131997
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131999 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashes when getting lots of gmail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131999
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132000 in kdebase (main) "Clicking on OpenGL in KInfoCenter freezes up the system in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132000
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #132001 in kdegraphics (main) "[Gutsy Tribe 4]  Ksnapshot not binding to PrtScrn and visible when taking screenshots." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132001
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #132002 in portaudio19 (main) "libportaudio packaging very confusing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132002
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #132004 in migration-assistant (main) "emule to amule migration support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132004
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #132005 in openoffice.org2 (main) "OO opens documents on nfs share as readonly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132005
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #132006 in apt (main) "'sudo apt-get -d install' command broken?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132006
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #132007 in vym (universe) "incomplete installation of vym" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132007
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #132008 in hal-cups-utils (main) "Wrong driver for my Canon PIXMA MP150" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132008
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #132010 in base-installer (main) "unable to locate any package files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132010
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #132011 in lirc (main) "irman doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132011
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #132012 in Ubuntu "Audio incorrectly detected; alsa-base using incorrect options on Dell m1330" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132012
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #132013 in gtk+2.0 (main) "gtk+ filechooser should use meta-tracker for searching" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132013
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #132014 in ktorrent (main) "2.2.1 Crash on exit with a SIGSEGV (UPnP plugin)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132014
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #132018 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "nm-vpn-properties not installed after installing network-manager-pptp package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132018
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #132019 in gnome-panel (main) "Add/Remove hangs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132019
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #131967 in Ubuntu "Alsa is not Realtek ac97 audio/sound emulator?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131967
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #132021 in gnome-app-install (main) "running upgrader, crashed on me" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132021
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #132022 in Ubuntu "Gutsy can't resize Vista NTFS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132022
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #132026 in gnome-panel (main) "when I hit the Q key in gnome-terminal it opens up a new gnome-terminal" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132026
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #132032 in haskell-http (universe) "libghc6-http-dev package is broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132032
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #132034 in sound-juicer (main) "soundjuicer should use F2 to enter track information" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132034
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #132036 in subversion (main) "subversion 1.4.3 linked against old expat so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132036
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #132037 in alsa-lib (main) "[Gutsy]  PCM 'lfloat' plugin broken, please sync alsa-lib from debian" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132037
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #132039 in firestarter (universe) "[gutsy]  /etc/network/if-up.d/50firestarter exited with return code 2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132039
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #132040 in Ubuntu "Error when trying to use Package Manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132040
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #132042 in Ubuntu "wireless stops working until reboot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132042
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #132043 in aspell (main) "Dumping of russian dictionary yields bad characters" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132043
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #132044 in vpnc (universe) "VPNC broken after gutsy upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132044
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #132047 in firefox (main) "NO CTRL + T when you have a youtube video" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132047
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #132048 in gs-common (main) "ghostscript print problem with konqueror and kprint : Abnormal process termination" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132048
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132050 in Ubuntu "No sound from speakers on STAC92XX" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132050
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #132052 in app-install-data-ubuntu (main) "app-install-data: wireshark appears twice (with root and without root)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132052
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #132053 in firefox (main) "Typing in text form in Firefox becomes very slow in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132053
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #132054 in gnome-keyring-manager (main) "can't create new keyring" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132054
[08:55] <ccooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/132040 refers to "Ubuntu Ultimate 1.4". That's not an official version, is it?
[08:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132040 in Ubuntu "Error when trying to use Package Manager" [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #132055 in update-manager (main) "upgrade-manager abort ubuntu 7.04 upgrade, because it can't install python-roman_0.4-3build2_all.deb" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132055
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #132056 in cupsys (main) "PDF files from OpenOffice.org cannot be printed any more" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132056
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #132057 in librmagick-ruby (universe) "Please build with ttf support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132057
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #132059 in drbd8 (universe) "drbd.ko needs unknown symbol crypto_hmac" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132059
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #132060 in network-manager-openvpn (universe) "[feisty]  network-manager-openvpn doesn't work when using x509 and private key file has password" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132060
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #132061 in grub (main) "Grub SUSE-Style" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132061
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #132062 in Ubuntu "Keyboard layout TAB in preferences lists countries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132062
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #132063 in Ubuntu "qt3-assistant obese because of qt3-doc dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132063
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #132065 in Ubuntu "screen stops refreshing after rotate when running compiz fusion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132065
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #132066 in gnome-keyring-manager (main) "keyring does not remember password" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132066
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #132067 in apturl (universe) "Unlisted Dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132067
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #132068 in apturl (universe) "Missing Error Message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132068
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #132070 in apturl (universe) "apt+http format does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132070
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132071 in apturl (universe) "Missing Conflict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132071
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132072 in apturl (universe) "Feature Request: Adept support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132072
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132073 in apturl (universe) "Feature Request: Opera Support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132073
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #132074 in apturl (universe) "Feature Request: Konqueror support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132074
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #132075 in Ubuntu "OpenOffice applications crash when try to start they" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132075
[11:24] <linuxbo1> hi !
[11:24] <linuxbo1> what is boot args for stopping gdm to be launched ?
[11:25] <linuxbo1> I am trying tribe 4 to report a bug with ati X700... and I need to test another xorg.conf
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131349 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager crashed with signal 5 when attempting to connect to VPN" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131349
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #132077 in samba (main) "[gutsy]  invoking smbpasswd with insufficient permissions dumps core" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132077
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #125262 in gdesklets "Plotter and utils.error.UserError (dup-of: 71085)" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125262


[02:32] <bdx> Hey whats up everyone? ... I run a setup where dns and dhcp run elsewhere than my maas region/cluster controller .... everything seesms to be working fine other than the fact that my maas api no longer contains any entries for  nodes ip
[02:35] <bdx> If this happens to be a bug and there is no work around for it, I am thinking is that I could create static mappings in my dhcp server, and update the maas api with the nodes ip addresses by hand if needed
[02:37] <bdx> hopefully someone who's ran into this before might provide some insight....thanks
[02:39] <bdx> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gx6q5sijldxt04z/Screenshot%202015-06-17%2019.13.59.png?dl=0
[02:39] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733581/
[02:54] <bdx> I have ddns configured such that my dhcp server updates my authoritative dns server when it hands out an ip; form which an A record in the zone and a reverse record in the reverse zone are created
[02:55] <bdx> my node is immediatly resolvable forward and backward by means of my nameservers
[02:56] <bdx> although, I'm guessing this has nothing to do with why the maas api neglects to add the ip_addresses entry
[02:58] <bdx> more or less why maas neglects to add the entry to the api
[03:04] <bdx> anyway...I am headed in for the night...I'll check back later to see if anyone has left any suggestions..Thanks
[07:51] <bladernr__> Hey, is anyone around?
[07:52] <bladernr__> more specifically, is anyone around who knows about the way maas imports images from simplestreams?
[07:53] <bladernr__> We're stuck.  MAAS still shows the import in progress but all the images in /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/cache are no longer growing in size, so it appears the actual download has stopped.
[07:53] <bladernr__> or completed
[07:53] <bladernr__> but there is no way I can see to make the cluster sync from the region.
[07:55] <bladernr__> mattrae_: are you up/
[07:59] <bladernr__> gah, is there any way to force it to re-scan the images on the region and re-attempt to import to the cluster?
[08:02] <bladernr__> So looking at maas-cli, all the images appear to be marked complete and synced.  but the maas UI still shows them as "importing" and there's nothing I can do to stop it
[08:02] <bladernr__> Sigh...
[08:21] <bladernr__> ok, finally got it kicked and it completed.
[11:36] <Mmike> Hi, lads. What does it mean when maas web-interfcase says that 'my cluster is disconnected'
[12:31] <kiko> bladernr_, I know some of it
[12:32] <kiko> bladernr_, but happy to see you've fixed it