[12:10] <doko> seb128, Laney, didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg fonts-smc was split. Please could you review the licenses and subscribe desktop-bugs to the split packages?
[13:28] <andreas> sil2100: hi, the trusty version of ubuntu-advantage-tools failed to build: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1719671/comments/56
[13:28] <andreas> is it because of universe?
[13:31] <sil2100> andreas: hey, yeah, for a main package an universe package won't really be visible
[13:31] <sil2100> I mean, well
[13:37] <andreas> all ppa builds I did before didn't show this problem
[13:37] <andreas> even our daily build ppa
[13:37] <andreas> and how did the other packages build? The ua-tools ones that are in proposed for x, z and a?
[13:40] <sil2100> andreas: I guess I need to see first what's happening before I start talking
[13:40] <sil2100> eh
[13:40] <andreas> :)
[13:41] <sil2100> Anyway, I'll take a look at this in some moments
[13:42] <andreas> thanks
[13:49] <slashd> sil2100, andreas seems like universe hasn't been enable in trusty but xenial yes --> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25910954/
[13:51] <sil2100> Anyway, clearly I made a mistake and didn't take notice that u-a-t is actually a main package
[13:51] <cjwatson> that changed in xenial, but trusty uses the old model
[13:52] <cjwatson> right
[13:52] <cjwatson> (sorry, I was a little further back in scrollback without noticing)
[13:52] <andreas> these build deps are only used for tests at buildtime, not at runtime
[13:52] <andreas> does that help?
[13:52] <cjwatson> irrelevant
[13:52] <cjwatson> >>> lp.load('/ubuntu/trusty').strict_supported_component_dependencies
[13:52] <cjwatson> True
[13:52] <cjwatson> >>> lp.load('/ubuntu/xenial').strict_supported_component_dependencies
[13:52] <cjwatson> False
[13:53] <andreas> I mean, in terms of policy: a main package having build-deps from universe
[13:53] <cjwatson> we made the policy more liberal in xenial, but for trusty it does not help
[13:54] <andreas> then let's reject that trusty sru
[13:54] <cjwatson> you could probably just disable those tests for trusty
[13:55] <andreas> yeah, would that be acceptable from the sru point of view?
[13:55] <andreas> we can show them in the daily build ppa
[13:55] <sil2100> andreas: I told you last time it was - if we can't run the tests on a given platform then I'm generally good to skip
[13:55] <sil2100> It's just that if a series can run the tests then they shouldn't be disabled
[13:56] <sil2100> slashd: could you re-upload u-a-t to trusty with the tests disabled and test deps removed?
[13:56] <slashd> sil2100, sure can take care of it
[14:00] <sil2100> slashd: thanks
[14:00] <slashd> sil2100, thanks to you
[15:39] <LargePrime> does anyone know if https://launchpad.net/~network-manager has a #irc
[15:58] <nacc> !alis | LargePrime
[16:05] <cyphermox> LargePrime: #nm
[16:34] <LargePrime> thanks nacc cyphermox
[16:43] <nacc> LargePrime: yw
[19:46] <slangasek> stgraber, infinity, kees, mdeslaur: TB 15 minute warning
[19:47] <mdeslaur> ack
[20:31] <bdmurray> slangasek: release upgrade failure due to having apt and apt-transport-https:i386 installed. That seems crazy right?
[20:31] <slangasek> haha
[20:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes, that's a crazy state.  maybe it's our bug that the system got in that state to begin with, but the failure to upgrade from it is not a bug
[20:41] <NewGnuGuy> What is the process for moving a package from multiverse to universe if the latest version is fully freely licensed? Asking specifically about the redeclipse package which is licensed under a combination of zlib and CC-BY-SA and which is in the main repository in Debian.
[20:41] <jbicha> NewGnuGuy: file a bug and subscribe the ubuntu-archive team
[20:42] <NewGnuGuy> Which bug tracker should I file under?
[20:44] <jbicha> you can run   ubuntu-bug redeclipse
[20:44] <jbicha> or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redeclipse/+filebug
[20:49] <ekristen> I'm trying to compile a custom version of python for ubuntu, and I've basically used the .dsc to get all the patches etc, and then dropped in the customizations I need to make, when I compile though the binary behaves differently, the stock python interpretter searches for shared objects with suffixing everything with x86_64-linux-gnu
[20:50] <ekristen> while my custom binary does not, and I am unable to figure out how to make my binary search for shared objects the same way
[20:51] <mwhudson> are the autopkgtest queues actually going down at all?
[20:52] <xnox> mwhudson, yes as fast as fed normalising QE balance sheet.
[20:53] <xnox> mwhudson, it was 14k now it's like 13.9k and things are moving, it's just new things keep being added.
[20:53] <xnox> too.
[20:54] <nacc> ekristen: how are you compilinng?
[20:55] <ekristen> nacc: I was using dget -u to pull down everything, then I modified the files necessary, then ran dpkg-buildpackage, then tested the resulting binary
[20:56] <ekristen> nacc: it compiles with what I need, it just doesn't search shared objects teh same way. I tried also to compile directly from source from python too, with the same behavior
[20:57] <ekristen> I'm sure it's something simple, a small patch or configure option that tells python to look for shared objects in a few different ways, but I cannot seem to figure out where that is setup.
[20:57] <nacc> ekristen: the binary or the .deb?
[20:59] <ekristen> nacc: ultimately I'm trying to compile the python interpretter with some custom changes, and install it on ubuntu, ideally I wanted to be able to create a .deb package that contains the binary as well. For my changes to work I've passed the disable-shared, and added my library references to LDFLAGS and CFLAGS, I've tried compiling the binary with and without dpkg-buildpackage.
[20:59] <ekristen> It makes the .deb file and the python interpreter with teh changes I need, however when I go to import a module like `gi` for example
[21:00] <ekristen> my custom interpreter looks for _gi.so and that's it
[21:00] <nacc> ekristen: i'm asking if you tested the binary (e.g. ./...python) or the binanry package (the .deb)
[21:00] <ekristen> however ubuntu's 2.7 python interpetter looks for _gi.so and _gi.x86_64-linux-gnu.so
[21:00] <ekristen> nacc: both
[21:00] <ekristen> I've tested both
[21:02] <nacc> ekristen: i'm curious what changes you are doing?
[21:08] <mwhudson> xnox: yeah i know things are being processed, it's just the rate of that vs the rate of things being added that i wasn't sure of
[21:09] <xnox> mwhudson, we are one cloud down.
[21:09] <mwhudson> still?
[21:09] <infinity> No.
[21:09] <xnox> infinity, it keeps deing taking out the lcy builders for 6 hounts.
[21:09] <xnox> infinity, so after 28 jobs, we are one cloud down for 5 hours.
[21:09] <infinity> xnox: They're being reset more often than that.
[21:09] <xnox> then they come back.
[21:09] <ekristen> nacc: hard to explain, some legacy stuff inside my company for a python gtk app we have
[21:09] <infinity> xnox: You're operating on old info.
[21:10] <nacc> ekristen: ok, i'm looking at hte source myself to see
[21:10] <infinity> (Yes, lcy isn't in perfect state, but it's not as dire as that)
[21:10] <xnox> infinity, i'm going by the info, from someone with autopkgtest data, from about two hours ago.
[21:10] <xnox> infinity, there is a problem with lcy when booing bionic guests.
[21:10] <xnox> (all good with xenial guests)
[21:10] <infinity> 11:00 < Laney> nah, I'll make the reset job run hourly so we limp along a bit
[21:11] <infinity> xnox: Trust me, I'm aware of all of this.
[21:11] <xnox> infinity, ok.
[21:11] <infinity> xnox: They're resetting more often than every 6h, as I said.
[21:11] <xnox> slangasek, ^^^
[21:11] <xnox> infinity, i've been told fake news again then!
[21:11] <infinity> xnox: Not fake, just old.
[21:12] <infinity> xnox: Just irksome when I tell you that it's old news, you keep arguing. :P
[21:12] <ekristen> nacc: thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated
[21:14] <nacc> ekristen: i guess my first attempt would be to use a PPA or a good build environment (e.g., sbuild, clean LXD) and see if you can rebuild the existing srcpkg with the same beahvior?
[21:14] <slangasek> xnox: it was not fake news when I told you
[23:41] <blahdeblah_> cpaelzer: When you're around, would you have a few minutes to talk about the solutions you investigated when fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1620407 ?


[12:39] <wagafo> Can anybody check bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcsh/+bug/1618803 ? A simple patch seems available, but the package is broken in Ubuntu 16.10.
[12:39] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1618803 in tcsh (Ubuntu) "tcsh crashed with SIGSEGV in __GI___rewinddir()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:19] <josvaz> 16.04.201610130 is the latest I can see there


[05:09] <raevol> oh hello
[05:09] <raevol> philipballew pleia2
[05:09] <pleia2> hello twitter friends
[05:10] <pleia2> +Ubuntu
[05:10] <philipballew> Sorry for Tweeting too much.
[05:10] <raevol> dude pleia2 ALADDIN
[05:10] <raevol> alladin?
[05:10] <raevol> no, aladdin
[05:11] <raevol> wait
[05:11] <pleia2> pretty sure I still have that movie memorized
[05:11] <raevol> yes aladdin
[05:11] <raevol> yea
[05:11] <pleia2> you were right the first time
[05:11] <raevol> it's awesome
[05:11] <pleia2> still kind of want a tiger for a pet
[05:11] <pleia2> or a monkey
[05:11] <philipballew> Like the Hangover!
[05:11] <philipballew> well, not really
[05:11] <raevol> hahaha
[05:12] <raevol> philipballew: do you just have one turntable? or is it a Dj setup?
[05:13] <philipballew> raevol, I have one. I leave the mixing to the people who actually know what their doing.
[05:13] <philipballew> :)
[05:13] <raevol> ;D
[05:13] <raevol> man, you and like no one else
[05:13] <pleia2> haha
[05:14] <raevol> ok
[05:15] <raevol> it's been fun guys but i finished my food and now have to go save Dr. Vance with Alyx
[05:15] <raevol> toodles!
[05:15] <pleia2> I was gonna watch aladdin but it's not on netflix streaming and my dvds are all the way over in the other room
[05:15] <raevol> ALL THE WAY IN THE OTHER ROOM!?
[05:15] <pleia2> plus dvds I need to take them out of their box, and put them in the dvd player, which seems like a lot of work
[05:15] <raevol> wait aren't you sick
[05:15] <nhaines> pleia2: aww!  But... Robin Williams!
[05:15] <pleia2> raevol: yeah :\
[05:16] <raevol> yea :/
[05:16] <pleia2> I took 3 naps today!
[05:16] <raevol> that's impressive
[05:16] <philipballew> I just got Netflix
[05:16] <philipballew> Seems nice
[05:16] <raevol> solution: philipballew donates his netflix to pleia2
[05:16] <raevol> my work is done
[05:16] <raevol> toodles
[05:16]  * pleia2 puts on thief and the cobbler instead
[05:16] <philipballew> well, its kinda my friends cousins neighbors netflix then let me use
[05:17] <philipballew> Gonna use it for Arrested Development, my favorite show.
[05:17]  * philipballew high fives pleia2
[05:17] <pleia2> ^5
[05:18] <pleia2> new AD on Sunday!
[05:18] <philipballew> SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:18] <philipballew> remember pleia2 , there's always money in the banana stand.
[05:19] <pleia2> hehe
[05:24] <nhaines> Anyone want to see the Vulcan costume I wore to see Star Trek on Friday?
[05:24] <pleia2> vulcannhaines++
[05:25] <MarkDude> +1
[05:25] <nhaines> http://ubuntuone.com/6c8jWyJKEStnNbmps4Lr3X
[05:25] <darthrobot`> Content type: [image/jpeg] Size: [118378]
[05:39] <nhaines> I am happy to announce that while plan C was to shave half of my eyebrows, the crash course in eyebrow wax made that unnecessary.  Plus, that's my own real hair extending my eyebrows; they're not drawn in or GIMPed.
[05:41] <pleia2> hehe
[05:42] <nhaines> Plan B was creative plucking, but to be honest, I probably would have just dress as a Human before going to Plan C.  :P
[05:44] <pleia2> plucking hurts more than waxing (mostly because it draws out the pain :))
[05:46] <nhaines> I'm up for a little discomfort for the sake of putting a costume over the edge, but losing half my eyebrows was a little extreme.  :)
[16:48] <philipballew> pleia2, hope you're feeling well today!
[16:49] <pleia2> thanks philipballew :) on the mend
[16:49] <pleia2> I think I ate something bad on sunday
[16:50] <philipballew> Crazy San Fransisco food problems!
[16:52] <raevol> hahaha...
[16:55] <MarkDude> jono, I appreciate your response yesterday. Sorry for my late reply, I am planning some events. And tis budget time now :)
[16:56] <MarkDude> The key part from me was later- even when I was not stoked. The article as it is now- is inline with our talking :)
[16:57] <MarkDude> Ty for listening to my objections. And more than that- showing something important - dialog.
[16:57] <MarkDude> :)
[16:57] <MarkDude> eof
[16:58] <jono> MarkDude, np
[17:00] <MarkDude> Most likely not today
[17:01] <MarkDude> This event planning is taking some details of fun. I am making sure a student from Mexico is gettng his flight paid for sooner - rather than later
[18:00] <MarkDude> Oh- details were sorted out. There were other issues making it complicated. But I NEED to say, the phonecall was fair and legit. My concerns were listened to - and acted upon :)
[18:02] <MarkDude> Sidestepping imperfections(everyone has them) the multiple ways I can reach Ubuntu or folks in charge. THings ARE improving.
[18:02]  * MarkDude also suggests taking a more calm manner than say ME - lol works better :D
[23:31] <MarkDude> Apologies to Jono, his intent was pure, I need to drink less coffee. I was wrong on the intent of the article :)


[02:48] <guiverc> a user on #ubuntu noticed https://xubuntu.org/ says 16.04.4 is supported till 2019 (unchanged from 14.04 I guess) - who should be informed/etc?
[02:49] <guiverc> sorry excuse my last
[02:51] <guiverc> i misread sorry.
[06:24] <sima> My "Super" key shortcuts aren't working in Xubuntu 17.10 64bit
[06:24] <sima> When Iset up Ctrl+Alt+Key it then works, but not the "Super" key (one with Win logo)
[06:42] <flocculant> sima: for anything? Super+T doesn't start a terminal?
[06:52] <sima> flocculant, nope it does not start terminal
[06:52] <Andrio> Does Super+E do anything?
[06:52] <sima> ope
[06:52] <sima> no
[06:52] <sima> like Super is not working per se
[06:53] <sima> xev says it works as a key
[06:54] <flocculant> sima: no idea then - odd
[06:55] <sima> this is what xev is saying, when 'Super' is pressed: https://bpaste.net/show/5d95e484d6de
[06:57] <flocculant> sima: when I do that I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gzFggHrtkb/
[06:57] <flocculant> which says Super_L not Multi_Key
[07:00] <sima> So that is it, it is bind to other name even it is the same kaycode
[07:00] <sima> flocculant, are you on updated 17.10 or LTS?
[07:01] <flocculant> sima: I'm running 18.04 ...
[07:01] <sima> ah so it works on 18.04..
[07:01] <sima> Have you been updating form 17.10 or doing fresh install?
[07:01] <flocculant> well it worked in 17.10,17.04,16.10,16.04,15.10,15.04 and on and on
[07:02] <flocculant> sima: you got another keyboard you can try?
[07:02] <sima> update or fresh installs?
[07:02] <sima> ok, i could try with another keyboard
[07:02] <flocculant> sima: I'm part of the xubuntu team - testing side - I do all sorts of things
[07:03] <flocculant> sima: would at least prove hardware is ok
[07:05] <sima> Aha I see what's the problem. On both new keyboard and the previous one, it _does_ work that RIGHT Super key, but not the one on the left side of the keyboard.
[07:05] <flocculant> xev calls right one Super_R ?
[07:05] <sima> and shortcut works right , with Right Super_R
[07:06] <flocculant> I'll spin up a vm and see what happens there
[07:07] <sima> so keycode 134 (Right Super_R) works, keycode 133 (Left Super_L) is binded to Multi_key)
[07:07] <sima> I will make another fresh account to see if anything per-user it is.
[07:08] <flocculant> ok
[07:10] <sima> It seems that with new user account it works right (Left Super and shortcuts) so it got to be some user setting changed for current account
[07:11] <sima> so it is per user account setting
[07:11] <flocculant> sima: ok - so now it's just a matter of finding what you did ;)
[13:21] <arthur29> hello


[01:04] <nacho20u> hola problemas con el wifi en lununtu 14.04 placa realtek hay solucion?
[02:43] <nacho20u> alguien sabe como agregar terminal,browser y leafpad en panel lxde?
[02:48] <genii> !ar
[16:39] <phillw> rafaellaguna: (15:39:28) Meris2 [~NA@2001:982:2365:1:c1b:3029:8ee8:f137] entered the room. (CET -1 hour)
[16:39] <rafaellaguna> :)
[16:39] <rafaellaguna> :(
[16:39] <phillw> ~ 2 hours ago
[16:39] <rafaellaguna> oh yes, didn't see him
[16:40] <rafaellaguna> Meris2, hello
[16:45] <rafaellaguna> ðÐþpÄØ
[16:45] <rafaellaguna> oops, sorry
[17:23] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, Sorry about yesterday,
[17:23] <rafaellaguna> no, I'm sorry, my pc rebooted 5 times and didn't want to start again
[17:24] <rafaellaguna> how can I help you?
[17:24] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, my lubuntu 14.04 is a jumbled mess when it comes to languages
[17:25] <rafaellaguna> why?
[17:26] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, my default language (used right now) is Dutch, but my dialog screens (including the one of X-Chat) are in Swedish and my install messages used by apt are in Japanese
[17:26] <rafaellaguna> O_o
[17:27] <Meris2> This is a default clean install, without any ppa's or config. file hacking
[17:27] <rafaellaguna> I have to ask. did you tried to remove the language packs (except dutch)?
[17:27] <rafaellaguna> English install?
[17:28] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, not yet, because I need them daily, both for UI (ext. support reasons) and IME (Japanese, umlauts used by Swedish)
[17:30] <rafaellaguna> I can type Swedish with a Spanish keyboard
[17:30] <rafaellaguna> just using Win as compose key
[17:30] <rafaellaguna> but obviously you have a residual configuration there
[17:31] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, yes, by using UTF-8 intnl. with dead keys (Alt-Gr), like I use right now. For Western languages, that's all I need.
[17:31] <Meris2> Japanese is impossible without proper IME support though
[17:31] <rafaellaguna> messages in terminal only are in Japanese if you install kohi-mincho fonts
[17:31] <rafaellaguna> indeed, you need ibus or fcitx
[17:32] <Meris2> I use ibus myself, yes
[17:32] <rafaellaguna> it's very very strange, is it a second setup over another?
[17:32] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, no, it's a vanilla install without any hacks whatsoever.
[17:33] <rafaellaguna> so no fonts cache as guilty :)
[17:33] <rafaellaguna> try to remove al languages with Language Support
[17:33] <rafaellaguna> are you using Ubuntu or Lubuntu?
[17:33] <Meris2> It *is* a multiboot system alongside MacOSX sing ReFIT, but that level should not be accountable.
[17:33] <rafaellaguna> doesn't matter
[17:33] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, I'm using Lubuntu 14.04
[17:34] <Meris2> At home in Amsterdam I'm using Ubuntu, with exactly the same Language anomalies
[17:35] <rafaellaguna> do you know any exorcist?
[17:35] <rafaellaguna> this is incredible
[17:35] <rafaellaguna> try this: first keep your system with ONE language only
[17:36] <rafaellaguna> if needed clear the fonts cache (use fc-cache -rv )
[17:36] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, before or after the language removal?
[17:36] <rafaellaguna> clean before
[17:37] <rafaellaguna> then add, for testing, a language that doesn't need keyboard layout (English, e.g.)
[17:42] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, fc-cache: succeeded
[17:43] <rafaellaguna> you should logout and ensure you choose Dutch in your new (L)Ubuntu session, as it's the setup language
[17:43] <rafaellaguna> do it and come back, all your apps should be in Dutch only, including your terminals
[17:44] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, removed all language support except Dutch
[17:44] <rafaellaguna> nice
[17:45] <Meris2> brb, after logout/ logon
[17:45] <rafaellaguna> ok
[17:47] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, I'm back. Even though I have set Dutch to be the default language, all I can see is English, but I can live with that ;-)
[17:48] <rafaellaguna> can  you please open your .pam_environment file?
[17:49] <rafaellaguna> it's hidden in your home
[17:50] <Meris2> rafaellaguna, thank you, here is my .pam_env... : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7826112/
[17:51] <Meris2> No Swedish or Japanese there, only English and Dutch
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> okay, pam not modified, odd
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> change every en_US to nl_NL (1 and 2)
[17:52] <Meris2> I will and after that logout. logon again, right?
[17:52] <rafaellaguna> yup :)
[17:54] <Meris2> rafaellaguna,  gotta run again, thanks again for your help
[17:54] <Meris2> It works
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> nice!
[17:55] <Meris2> Logging out ... .. .
[18:57] <koell> noooo i missed rafaellaguna! :3
[18:58] <silverlion> koell : anything I can help you with?
[18:59] <kuhilasv1ara> my fans are running at 100% speed and I want to make them run slower when it is not necessary
[18:59] <kuhilasv1ara> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[18:59] <kuhilasv1ara> im following this guide to install fancontrol and lm-sensors
[18:59] <kuhilasv1ara> Did you see/hear a fan stopping during the above test (n)?
[19:00] <kuhilasv1ara> I'm getting those question when setting fancontrol.. I actually heard the fan go to slower speed, but not fully stop. Should I answer n?
[19:00] <kuhilasv1ara> it might have stopped, if it was another fan that made the noise that was left
[19:05] <kuhilasv1ara> Current temperature readings are as follows:
[19:05] <kuhilasv1ara> hwmon0/device/temp1_input	51
[19:05] <kuhilasv1ara> hwmon1/device/temp1_input	49
[19:05] <kuhilasv1ara> hwmon1/device/temp2_input	128
[19:05] <kuhilasv1ara> hwmon1/device/temp3_input	39
[19:05] <kuhilasv1ara> 128=?
[19:06] <phillw> koell: rafael should be back online in next hour or so.
[19:07] <melodie> hi
[19:07] <melodie> who has a question?
[19:07] <phillw> !paste | kuhilasv1ara
[19:08] <silverlion> melodie : here's the backlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826459/
[19:08] <melodie> silverlion ok but who is the one who needs help?
[19:08] <silverlion> kuhilasv1ara
[19:09] <kuhilasv1ara> controlling fanspeeds seems really tricky
[19:09] <phillw> melodie: also http://pastebin.com/9SaSsTe6 :)
[19:09] <melodie> ok
[19:10] <kuhilasv1ara> it spitted me 4 random temperature value which I have no idea what is what and then I should make decision upon it
[19:12] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara have you tried to configure the cpufreq governor? if you cpu supports it, it could help (before doing something directly to the fan)
[19:13] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara ?????
[19:13] <melodie> ????????????
[19:13] <melodie> ???
[19:15] <kuhilasv1ara> I don't think so
[19:16] <kuhilasv1ara> but I got my cpu fan to run at lower speed now when I just set some default values and chose the first option from that list of 4 diff temperatures. I guess I chose the right one
[19:16] <melodie> then try it: install cpufreqd / cpufreq then you can configure it with a few commands I will provide you directly
[19:17] <melodie> the cpu frequency when it can be adjusted is interesting because it will run at the right rate for the need: according to what resources the program you launch will need
[19:18] <melodie> hence, the fan will start if the cpu heats and for relevant needs
[19:19] <melodie> do you know what cpu has your machine? Is it a Celeron for instance? (they don't support cpufreq configuration)
[19:23] <kuhilasv1ara> amd
[19:23] <kuhilasv1ara> hmm ok maybe I try
[19:24] <melodie> amd?
[19:24] <melodie> not sure
[19:24] <melodie> well, maybe
[19:24] <melodie> I have an amd and that works here
[19:24] <melodie> see?
[19:24] <melodie> $ ls /usr/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/
[19:24] <melodie> acpi-cpufreq.ko.gz          cpufreq_conservative.ko.gz  cpufreq_stats.ko.gz      p4-clockmod.ko.gz  powernow-k8.ko.gz
[19:24] <melodie> amd_freq_sensitivity.ko.gz  cpufreq_powersave.ko.gz     cpufreq_userspace.ko.gz  pcc-cpufreq.ko.gz  speedstep-lib.ko.gz
[19:24] <kuhilasv1ara> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30478113/k/temps_lubuntu01.PNG
[19:25] <kuhilasv1ara> is that worrying that I have something 120C
[19:26] <kuhilasv1ara> 128*
[19:27] <kuhilasv1ara> but yea that cpu fre thing sounds really interesting. I 'm gonna google a bit on it
[19:27] <kuhilasv1ara> freq
[19:30] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara choose a good option: conservative is a good governor
[19:38] <kuhilasv1ara> i installed cpufreqd, cpufrequtils and indicator-cpufreq, but when I run sudo cpufreqd, nothing happens
[19:40] <kuhilasv1ara> myeah, when I run indicator-cpufreq, I get to choose those governors
[19:42] <kuhilasv1ara> how can I observe some info on what frequency my cpu is running
[19:43] <kuhilasv1ara> no matter if I choose 0.8GHz, the 3.2GHz gets selected. I can select powersave, conservative, and those though
[19:44] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara wait wait
[19:45] <melodie> cpufreqd is the daemon you have nothing to do with it, it runs, that's all
[19:45] <melodie> as simple user type: cpufreq-info
[19:45] <melodie> what do you see then?
[19:46] <melodie> (I don't use gui tools for this program)
[19:46] <kuhilasv1ara> 3 different CPUs and all of them says:  current policy: frequency should be within 3.20 GHz and 3.20 GHz.
[19:46] <kuhilasv1ara>                   The governor "userspace" may decide which speed to use
[19:46] <kuhilasv1ara>                   within this range.
[19:46] <kuhilasv1ara>   current CPU frequency is 3.20 GHz.
[19:48] <kuhilasv1ara> http://pastebin.com/wzL9fT4f
[19:48] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara ok, wait a sec?
[19:48] <kuhilasv1ara> ok
[19:49] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara what governors are available?
[19:49] <kuhilasv1ara> conservative, ondemand, powersave and performance
[19:50] <melodie> ok wait a sec
[19:50] <kuhilasv1ara> I have chosen "powersave" but still it says that 3.2ghz
[19:50] <kuhilasv1ara> http://askubuntu.com/questions/455687/how-to-run-cpufreqd-in-ubuntu-14-04
[19:50] <kuhilasv1ara> someone maybe here have a similar problem, but no answer there for him. they ask his lsmod, and they think that modules are maybe not loaded
[19:51] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara ok
[19:51] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara you should choose conservative
[19:51] <melodie> it adapts better to the need
[19:52] <kuhilasv1ara> http://pastebin.com/D8RDZf4V
[19:52] <kuhilasv1ara> sure, but it doesn't matter which I choose, because it cpufreq-info says 3.2GHz :(
[19:52] <kuhilasv1ara> that is my lsmod, if someone can see if my modules are loaded
[19:53] <melodie> which ranges are available?
[19:54] <kuhilasv1ara> http://pastebin.com/wzL9fT4f frequency should be within 3.20 GHz and 3.20 GHz.
[19:54] <melodie> modules have nothing to do with that as far as I know
[19:55] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara ok:
[19:55] <melodie> "  The governor "userspace" may decide which speed to use
[19:55] <melodie>                   within this range."
[19:55] <melodie> try this :
[19:56] <melodie> sudo cpufreq -g conservative
[19:57] <kuhilasv1ara> sudo: cpufreq: command not found
[19:57] <kuhilasv1ara> I didn't install that actually, just cpufreqd and utils and indicator
[19:57] <kuhilasv1ara> I'll install
[19:57] <melodie> hummm
[19:57] <melodie> wait a sec
[19:57] <kuhilasv1ara> or?
[19:58] <melodie> I can't use it anymore as  I used to in my distro : Archlinux, so I have to check :)
[19:58] <melodie> just be patient a few seconds
[19:58] <melodie> ok
[19:58] <melodie> sudo cpufreq-set -g conservative
[19:58] <melodie> that's it!
[20:01] <kuhilasv1ara> ok, I did, but still the info says frequency should be within 3.20 GHz and 3.20 GHz
[20:02] <melodie> then I suppose it does need that?
[20:02] <melodie> try:
[20:02] <melodie> sudo cpufreq-set -g powersave
[20:05] <kuhilasv1ara> still that 3.2ghz
[20:06] <melodie> what does cpufreq-info say now ? (as simple user)
[20:07] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara I check also something
[20:08] <kuhilasv1ara> http://pastebin.com/uPaRRphu
[20:09] <melodie> your pastebin has this:
[20:09] <melodie> driver: acpi-cpufreq
[20:09] <melodie> see if it is loaded:
[20:09] <melodie> lsmod | grep acpi
[20:10] <kuhilasv1ara> pata_acpi              13038  0
[20:10] <kuhilasv1ara> here's my lsmod http://pastebin.com/D8RDZf4V
[20:10] <melodie> no need
[20:11] <melodie> grep filters with the suite of characters provided on the command line
[20:11] <melodie> see here:
[20:11] <melodie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=acpi-&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all
[20:11] <melodie> perhaps installing the first one would help?
[20:13] <kuhilasv1ara> I installed acpi-support and tried lsmod | grep acpi but only pata_acpi there. Do I need to restart some daemons or things
[20:14] <melodie> just
[20:14] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara just load it:
[20:14] <melodie> sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq (try it)
[20:15] <kuhilasv1ara> I tried that and nothing happened so as if it loaded, but lsmod | grep acpi still only shows pata_acpi
[20:17] <kuhilasv1ara> or what is supposed to happen when do sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq ? :)
[20:18] <kuhilasv1ara> thanks a lot for thel help but maybe I have a bigger problem here :I
[20:20] <kuhilasv1ara> damn.. I would really love to lower the cpu freq though
[20:21] <phillw> kuhilasv1ara: the key word is "patience"... You do not know just how tenacious melodie is... She will work with you to sort this out.
[20:22] <kuhilasv1ara> cool
[20:23] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara yes it's frustrating when we can't find the solution at once, I know what it is really
[20:24] <melodie> have you tried this "sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq" ?
[20:24] <kuhilasv1ara> yyeah, nothing happens
[20:24] <kuhilasv1ara> when I do that
[20:24] <melodie> phillw I'm also struggling against my teen son who persists talking in Skype! :-(
[20:25] <kuhilasv1ara> heh
[20:25] <melodie> I have a console with ssh and kill a few processes here and then to keep him quiter, but only makes it worse!
[20:25] <kuhilasv1ara> :) :(
[20:25] <melodie> yeh yeh, you can laugh!  Does it support acpi? Is acpi activated in your bios?
[20:28] <melodie> phillw I might send him back to his father's :p
[20:29] <kuhilasv1ara> model name      : AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor
[20:32] <kuhilasv1ara> no acpi in cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep acpi
[20:32] <kuhilasv1ara> some people have acpi in flags there
[20:33] <kuhilasv1ara> I don't know if this supports acpi or if it is activated in bios. I guess I shuld boot to bios to check
[20:34] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara you might have to. I look in my own cpuinfo and will tell you right on if I have that as a flag
[20:34] <melodie> $ grep acpi /proc/cpuinfo
[20:34] <melodie> $
[20:35] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara I don't eithe
[20:35] <melodie> either
[20:35] <kuhilasv1ara> ok
[20:35] <kuhilasv1ara> I wonder if I can find in bios the info, if acpi is activated.. I have no idea what acpi is really and where to look for it there
[20:37] <phillw> kuhilasv1ara: what make / model computer do you have? I can do some digging for you.
[20:37] <kuhilasv1ara> if I find it in bios, should I change its state if it is activated or deactivated?
[20:37] <kuhilasv1ara> hmhm.. own built computer.. I don't remember the parts very well
[20:37] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara the bios might contain acpi enabled or not, you can check, it won't harm
[20:38] <kuhilasv1ara> if it is disabled, you want me to change it to eanbled? if it is enabled, should I change it to disabled?
[20:38] <melodie> if you find it in the bios and if it is not activated, activate it
[20:38] <melodie> it has to be anabled
[20:38] <melodie> enabled*
[20:38] <kuhilasv1ara> ok
[20:39] <phillw> kuhilasv1ara: also, please state which version of BIOS you are running (both make and version number)
[20:39] <kuhilasv1ara> military class n1996 msi
[20:39] <kuhilasv1ara> says on motherboard
[20:40] <kuhilasv1ara> when I boot to bios, I can find that info from somewhere I guess
[20:40] <phillw> yup, it should be there if you go digging about :)
[20:40] <kuhilasv1ara> auto oc genie overclocking
[20:41] <kuhilasv1ara> I boot and check
[20:41] <kuhilasv1ara> ->
[20:52] <teward> what controls the standby timer, the timer that puts the system to sleep after certain amounts of inactivity, in Lubuntu?
[20:52] <teward> I'm trying to turn that function off so that the system in question doesn't go into hibernate, and also doesn't turn off the screen
[20:56] <melodie> teward some setting related to xscreensaver
[20:56] <kuhilasv1ara> teward yea there is a bug in controlling that. I only got that deactivated by editing the grub adding some line at the end of the boot option somethingsomething=0 there
[20:57] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara ?o?
[20:57] <teward> kuhilasv1ara, is the bug reported/documented anywhere?
[20:57] <kuhilasv1ara> melodie: acpi is and was enabled in bios. Bios is v17.7 090910
[20:57] <kuhilasv1ara> I remember people talking about it as a bug
[20:57] <melodie> tertu what about just removing xscreensaver?
[20:57] <kuhilasv1ara> on some forum on internet
[20:58] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara ok, I have no more answer for you, at least for now.
[20:58] <tertu> oh i am not that t
[20:58] <kuhilasv1ara> ok, thanks for helping. I inspect it more later
[20:58] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara perhaps you check what features the kernel you have now allows for?
[20:58] <kuhilasv1ara> ok
[21:00] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara such as "grep ACPI /boot/config*" ?
[21:00] <melodie> without the quotes of course and as simple user)
[21:02] <kuhilasv1ara> lots of stuff there http://pastebin.com/KJVKJdm8
[21:03] <kuhilasv1ara> btw, when I rebooted, did the cpufreqd daemon start automatically?
[21:04] <kuhilasv1ara> in/cpufreqd -f /etc/cpufreqd.conf ..this is ps -aux | grep cpu
[21:05] <kuhilasv1ara> guess so then
[21:05] <melodie> as simple user:
[21:05] <melodie> ps ax | grep cpufreqd
[21:06] <kuhilasv1ara> hmm ok. yes its there
[21:06] <melodie> ok :)
[21:11] <kuhilasv1ara> teward: in /etc/default/grub if you have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset consoleblank=0" u'd get what you want probably
[21:12] <kuhilasv1ara>  https://encrypted.google.com/#q=nomodeset+consoleblank%3D0
[21:13] <kuhilasv1ara> well, someone else also used that method where I got it
[21:13] <kuhilasv1ara> not many there tho
[21:13] <melodie> kuhilasv1ara using grub config to tweak the hibernation behavior? that's strange (and too close to the base system imho)
[21:14] <kuhilasv1ara> oh wait that nomodeset is there for other purposes, remove that from the google search
[21:15] <kuhilasv1ara> ye.. well try remove your screesaver and blank screen after x minutes of idle on lubuntu 13 or 14 and it seems quite hard otherwise
[21:16] <phillw> kuhilasv1ara: there is bug 1326740 which thankfully, should soon be rolled out
[21:23] <melodie> then apt-get remove xfce4-power-manager ?
[21:23] <melodie> he he!
[21:24] <melodie> --purge (forgot)
[21:52] <melodie> good night
[22:41] <josiah14> I couldn't find this answer anywhere online
[22:42] <josiah14> which executable does lxpanel use for volume management?
[22:42] <josiah14> I run i3 and try to keep my system lean by not running many LXDE programs, but I'm forced right now into running lxpanel because I have no other way of controlling voluem
[22:43] <josiah14> unless of course I install something else, but I already have that applet, so
[22:47] <rambo123456`> Hey guys.. I installed lubuntu as a virtualbox guest.  is it possible to play an mp3 file on it?
[22:47] <josiah14> ah, nevermind, I just discovered alsamixer
[22:47] <josiah14> yay terminal apps


[07:34] <dpm> good morning all!
[11:04] <RawChid> Good morning
[11:06] <andrejz> morning rawchid
[11:06] <RawChid> If you know TODO's for the Translations Tools, maybe make a blueprint of white board dpm ?
[11:06] <RawChid> Hi andrejz
[11:27] <dpm> RawChid, good idea. I'm a bit constrained on adding separate actions to the diagram, as it should be frozen as of today (we can only add actions at the start of the cycle), but I think I can at least add one. What do you think about: "Improve the ubuntu-l10n-tools scripts to have it ready as a package for wide useage" - the idea is to get to a state where the scripts are working and can be used to automate tasks related to translations, and that w
[11:27] <dpm> e've got them packaged in a PPA for people to easily download and install. What do you think? Would you be interested in contributing to that?
[11:29] <RawChid> Sounds good. I would like to learn more on those processes and contribute in coding those scripts
[11:30] <dpm> RawChid, excellent, thanks. I'll add the action then :)
[11:31] <RawChid> Yesterday I explored the other 'tools' from your branch and discovered that some things doesn't work at all. Only problem is that I have no idea what to do, or where to start.
[11:31] <RawChid> At the moment I ca't work on it. But just that you know...
[11:39] <dpm> RawChid, yeah, as I said, I just put everything together in a branch to get started. Only the search tool is working. I'm about to add another simple tool that you might want to look at. Let me come back to you in a few minutes...
[11:40] <dpm> I'll add a README file with the description of what each tool does
[11:40] <dpm> and the TODOs
[11:40] <dpm> that should help you get started
[11:47] <RawChid> That can be very helpful
[11:48] <RawChid> I'm about to lunch, bbl
[12:09] <dpm> RawChid, ok, done. When you're back, you'll see the changes if you pull from lp:ubuntu-l10n-tools - enjoy your meal! :-)
[12:43] <RawChid> Great! When I work on this I'll see it. Today I have some obligations :P
[13:57] <andrejz> hello dpm
[13:58] <dpm> hey andrejz :)
[13:58] <andrejz> i was wondering if you could help me with template priority settings
[13:58] <dpm> andrejz, sure, how can I help?
[13:59] <andrejz> I am not a coder and hence not sure how to expand the script to run over .csv file
[14:00] <andrejz> look at the last answer - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/158963
[14:01] <dpm> andrejz, ah, don't worry about this, I'll take care of it, so that next time we need to set the priorities you can just run the script. We've been talking about this with RawChid about an hour ago, and he'd be willing to help on that
[14:02] <andrejz> that's fantastic. thanks RawChid
[14:02] <andrejz> :)
[14:02] <dpm> I have added the code danilos wrote for us to the ubuntu-l10n-tools project already
[14:03] <andrejz> great. every small automation helps a lot in the long run :)
[14:03] <dpm> yeah, that's the idea :)
[14:07] <andrejz> ok danilo just sent an improved script which already uses .csv
[14:08] <danilos> dpm, there was a small bug in the previous script
[14:09] <dpm> danilos, what was it? (I was intending to run it over staging, but I haven't done it yet)
[14:19] <dpm> ok, I see it from the answer, I'll update the script in ubuntu-l10n-tools


[01:54] <coreycb> doko: I think python3.10 has an issue since the last upload to lunar-proposed
[01:54] <coreycb> File "/usr/lib/python3.10/_sysconfigdata__x86_64-linux-gnu.py", line 45
[01:55] <coreycb> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/653067200/buildlog_ubuntu-lunar-amd64.python-swiftclient_1%3A4.2.0-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:01] <vpa1977> Hi, a general question about triggers. deb-triggers man says that 'activate' declared in "package".triggers will fire the trigger at the start of the operation, e.g. configure. Is there any way to activate trigger after operation finishes without resorting to dpkg-trigger ?
[09:52] <doko> coreycb: why do you need 3.10? anyway, I'll fix that
[12:50] <coreycb> doko: thanks. I'm not really sure why but it looks like there are some hard reverse-depends on python 3.10. maybe they just need rebuilds.
[13:35] <jbicha> coreycb: yes, a lot of Python packages need to be rebuilt: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.11-only.html
[13:42] <coreycb> jbicha: ok thanks
[15:35] <dbungert> arraybolt3: :wave: saw your post on the mailing list, I think you'll like what I've been working on.  I have some stuff to do first this morning but I'll do an email response, and we can also chat more if you like.
[16:51] <vorlon> bdrung: I wonder why naming it tzdata-right instead of tzdata-legacy-do-not-install ;)
[16:56] <bdrung> vorlon, because it's the right name to use. ;) Yokes aside, it reflects the name of the directory. Hopefully "You do not need this package if you are unsure." in the description is enough.
[16:57] <bdrung> vorlon, I noticed that there are one or two packages that uses the UTC file from there to determine the amount of leap seconds
[18:12] <vorlon> bdrung: yeah but as a namespace thing, "right" implies "proper", like the thing you want to use
[18:45] <bdrung> vorlon, do you have a better name?
[18:48] <vorlon> bdrung: tzdata-legacy?
[18:48] <vorlon> then, if there's more stuff that becomes legacy later, you can shunt that over to the same binary package too
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Hi! Now that livecd-rootfs has migrated, is there anything more that needs to be done for edubuntu?
[19:12] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: well I suppose I should kick off another test build!
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: hehe alright :)
[19:14] <vorlon> oh, not sure I actually *did* a test build of edubuntu yet - I had only done xubuntu-minimal
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I was a little unsure of your use of "another" there, but I wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth. :)
[19:14] <vorlon> so, kicking off builds for both
[19:17] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: well that failed quickly
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> oof
[19:18] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/lunar/edubuntu/+build/417345
[19:19] <vorlon> that seems to be giving decidedly little information
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I'm not sure how to fix that.
[19:19] <vorlon> um reproduce it locally and add print debugging statements :P
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> Ok, not sure how to *do* that. :P
[19:26] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: the logic showing how the livefs builds are dispatches is in lp:launchpad-buildd.  There's a lot of indirections but at the end of the day it's invoking /usr/share/livecd-rootfs/live-build/auto/config, /usr/share/livecd-rootfs/live-build/auto/build via lpbuildd/target/build_livefs.py
[19:26] <vorlon> so! the xubuntu-minimal image ftbfs the same way
[19:26] <vorlon> looks like livecd-rootfs breakage
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so we're not alone here.
[19:31] <vorlon> although, lubuntu successfully built 3 hours ago
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> *confusion intensifies*
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> There's another livecd-rootfs in proposed too.
[19:34] <vorlon> I bet edubuntu-live isn't in the Tasks: field in the archive
[19:34] <vorlon> correct it is not
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Let me see what I can do about that.
[19:35] <vorlon> it's an AA problem
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> Oh, ok.
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> Thought it was a seed problem.
[19:39] <vorlon> this would all go away if I took mwhudson's branch, wouldn't it
[19:39] <vorlon> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fulfill the request (403 Forbidden) for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-publishing/trunk/.bzr/branch-format
[19:41] <vorlon> which means in fact that ubuntu-unity is not getting task fields either, is it
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> Yiiiiiikes
[19:42] <vorlon> cjwatson: ^^ halp
[19:43] <vorlon> hmm this is probably a proxy error or something
[19:46] <vorlon> yeah I was able to work around it by unsetting http_proxy from the env :/
[19:46] <vorlon> not sure if this branch is supposed to be auto-pulled tho; if so it was 5 months out of date
[19:47] <vorlon> anyway, code deployed now so the next publisher run should have the Task fields and we can try again Eickmeyer
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Ok, sounds good.
[19:52] <vorlon> juliank: uh does this mean that we're getting wrong unsatisfied Recommends: of core packages because of debootstrap misbehavior? Calculating upgrade...  ignore old unsatisfied important dependency on libgpg-error-l10n:amd64
[19:53] <vorlon> perhaps that gets fixed up later in the build
[20:00] <juliank> vorlon: only new recommends are installed if foo is installed and has recommends bar but bar is not installed, upgrading foo does not install bar
[20:01] <juliank> I don't know what debootstrap does
[20:01] <juliank> switch image building to mmdebstrap and rejoice in full apt solver
[20:01] <juliank> :D
[20:01] <vorlon> juliank: well, debootstrap evidently is not following recommends, judging by the livefs build logs
[20:02] <juliank> One could apt install --fix-policy later
[20:02] <vorlon> juliank: but also they're probably all pulled in later via the tasks anyway
[20:03] <juliank> Yes germinate follows recommends and makes the choices for you
[20:03] <arraybolt3> dbungert: Thanks! sil2100 gave me a sneak preview. I'll look at it later today hopefully. I might not have a lot of time today, but Sunday and Monday I'll probably have more.
[20:03] <vorlon> juliank: oho, except I just checked lubuntu daily-live and libgpg-error0-l10n is indeed missing
[20:04] <vorlon> juliank: so apt-get install --fix-policy? (since we're not supposed to use apt in scripts ;)
[20:05] <vorlon> jawn-smith: ^^ does ubuntu-image have this bug?
[20:08] <juliank> vorlon: should be fine after debootstrap to fix this
[20:09] <juliank> But maybe fixing debootstrap is the better choice?
[20:12] <vorlon> fair point
[20:35] <vorlon> I: Retrieving libgpg-error-l10n 1.46-1
[20:35] <vorlon> looking good
[20:41] <vorlon> ginggs, doko: python3.10-dev is broken on armhf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dXTg8KnXvH/
[20:48] <jawn-smith> vorlon: sorry just saw this
[20:48] <jawn-smith> reading
[20:50] <jawn-smith> I don't think so. IIUC juliank is saying that germinate doesn't have this bug because it follows recommends. Since we're calling germinate directly to get a list of packages this shouldn't be an issue
[20:52] <juliank> You U C
[20:52] <jawn-smith> thanks julian
[21:52] <vorlon> jawn-smith: so you don't invoke debootstrap at all for the initial unpack but have your own implementation?
[21:56] <jawn-smith> vorlon: we invoke debootstrap and then use germinate to get a list of packages to add to the chroot
[21:57] <vorlon> jawn-smith: ah.  if you are passing a list of packages from germinate to apt, do you then do some kind of handling afterwards to make sure the appropriate packages are marked auto-installed?
[21:57] <jawn-smith> nothing that i'm aware of
[21:57] <vorlon> (so that if they are dropped as depends of the metapackage later they get autoremoved)
[21:57] <vorlon> ok that's not ideal either then
[22:07] <vorlon> juliank: well this is fascinating, a naive implementation of Recommends support in debootstrap fails with python3-minimal not being installed before python3
[22:08] <vorlon> rather, python3.11-minimal not being installed before python3-minimal
[22:08] <vorlon> ah perhaps I bunged the pre-depends handling in the process, let's see
[22:09] <vorlon> ah only indirectly
[22:10] <vorlon> also for a package implemented in perl, debootstrap has really awful regexps everywhere
[22:16] <vorlon> juliank: yeah so debootstrap has fundamentally broken pre-depends handling (i.e. it does not handle it at all at the unpack stage) so including recommends is sufficient to change unpack ordering and break debootstrap completely lololol
[22:18] <vorlon> *otoh* python3-minimal pre-depends on python3.11-minimal is wrong, because python3-minimal contains no preinst so why is this even here!
[22:19] <vorlon> ahahahaha https://bugs.debian.org/901001 who filed that
[22:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 901001 in python3-minimal "python3-minimal should Pre-Depend on python3.N-minimal" [Serious, Open]
[22:19] <vorlon> ok so the rationale there is unfortunately sane
[22:33] <vorlon> juliank: well I don't want to touch this code anymore, so it may be an apt-get install --fix-policy postprocess in livecd-rootfs after all :P
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> sort
[23:46] <mmikowski> FWIW: Chrome has a corruption bug with Intel graphics we have seen on lots of devices. The fix is to use chome:flags and turn on vulkan.  This appears across many kernel flavors and desktops (Unity and KDE confirmed).
[23:55] <vorlon> mmikowski: chrome, not chromium?


[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <bkerensa> good morning :)
[14:14] <mhall119> !lococouncil should there be a global event for software freedom day in the loco-directory?
[14:15] <mhall119> !loco-council
[14:15] <mhall119> is the bot even awake?
[14:15] <nigelb> no, it isn't here.
[14:16] <paultag> mhall119: what's up
[14:16] <paultag> mhall119: if a team wants it, sure :)
[14:16] <paultag> no need to just make events willy nilly, but it seems like a cool thing for locos to do
[14:17] <mhall119> I was thinking that having a global event made might encourage or inspire loco teams to hold an event
[14:17] <paultag> sure
[14:17] <paultag> that's cool
[14:18] <mhall119> paultag: I see at least one existing loco team event for SFD: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ni/1160/detail/
[14:18] <paultag> mhall119: cool, I'm +1 on it. I see no reason we shouldn't :)
[14:18] <mhall119> looks like Venezuela is doing a couple more
[14:18] <mhall119> paultag: then do it!
[14:18] <paultag> heh
[14:18] <mhall119> (please)
[14:18] <paultag> mhall119: righto. moment
[14:19] <mhall119> heh-count['paultag']++
[14:19] <paultag> (i'm making a point to nigelb my text up)
[14:19] <mhall119> you should turn your grep-foo towards making a top-10 list of 'heh' users
[14:20] <mhall119> call it the heh-of-fame list
[14:20] <paultag> haha
[14:20] <nigelb> heh, paultag, of all the brilliant things to do, it has coem down this? we should take off your internet so you can build paulos (using syn package manager)
[14:20] <paultag> synnamon *
[14:21] <mhall119> how long until we can start the meme "That's it, I'm switching to Synnamon"?
[14:23] <paultag> mhall119: once I push the working .tar.gz (after stuff starts cross compiling nicely - I just hit an issue with the cpp preprocessor )
[14:24] <mhall119> cpp preprocessor errors?  That's it, I'm switching to ObscureOS
[14:25] <paultag> :)
[14:25] <paultag> mhall119: syn's actually getting to be fairly to pretty impressive
[14:26] <mhall119> cool, I hope some of the things your doing with it inspire improvements in other package managers too
[14:26] <mhall119> you're
[14:26] <mhall119> geez
[14:27] <paultag> me too. I don't expect anyone will use it, but I'd really love to paint a picture of what could be (for x86 linux powerusers who can tolerate problems)
[14:27] <paultag> sort of like "utopia for WASPS"
[14:27] <paultag> but I just have not worked on multi-arch anything, and not even begun to think about non-linux kernels
[14:27] <paultag> mhall119: event 1258, sfd - created
[14:32] <mhall119> \o/
[14:38] <paultag> Man, I wish there was an easy way to pick up (talented) interns of doom to work on free software
[14:45] <mhall119> paultag: do you want to send an email to loco-contacts about the SFD global event?
[14:45] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, I'll do that after I take care of some bugs I pulled up
[14:46] <paultag> actually screw it, it'll take two seconds
[15:01] <mhall119> thanks paultag
[15:07] <paultag> mhall119: sure 'nuf
[15:07] <paultag> mhall119: I missed what effie-jax meant by that email
[15:07] <mhall119> I'm not even sure who he was talking to. Danny?
[15:09] <czajkowski> hmmm
[15:09] <czajkowski> paultag: I guess some would be against it beoing on the LD
[15:09] <czajkowski> due to ubuntu
[15:09] <czajkowski> I'm not a fan of SFD namely because they won't work with DFD
[15:10] <czajkowski> but nice in the LD
[15:10] <czajkowski> but not big back home we've tried it. but wasn't great
[15:10] <nigelb> DFD?
[15:10] <czajkowski> document freedom day!
[15:10] <nigelb> Ah.
[15:11] <mhall119> czajkowski: some out be against having SFD events in LD?
[15:11] <czajkowski> well it's not an Ubuntu event
[15:11] <mhall119> oh, I understand you now
[15:12] <czajkowski> but if teams are running events I don't see why it shouldnt be created as part of a locoteam event
[15:12] <mhall119> I don't think that's what effie-jax was getting at though
[15:12] <czajkowski> not sure about a global event
[15:12] <czajkowski> but not my call tbh
[15:14] <paultag> czajkowski: but he called me doug or something
[15:14] <paultag> czajkowski: and I have no idea what he's talking about
[15:14] <paultag> or danny
[15:14] <mhall119> it's a pet name
[15:14] <paultag> :)
[15:16] <czajkowski> paultag: whats calling you doug got to do with it
[15:16] <nigelb> I'm henceforth calling paultag danny
[15:16] <czajkowski> I get called Ms. Czajkowski
[15:16] <czajkowski> very formal and very odd in emails!
[15:17] <paultag> czajkowski: my name's paul, not danny! :)
[15:17] <paultag> so I don't even know if he's talking at me!
[15:17] <paultag> who the hell is danny?
[15:17] <leogg> paultag, he's talking about flisol https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-February/005248.html
[15:18] <paultag> leogg: well I know what FLISOL is, but I don't know who danny is
[15:18] <leogg> paultag, your secret identity?
[15:18] <paultag> :)
[15:18] <czajkowski> paultag: he;s really pro FLOSS and pro FSF an such
[15:18] <czajkowski> not OSS
[15:19] <czajkowski> would correct folks if they say that
[15:19] <leogg> FWIW, I'm not so fond of having a global event for sfd
[15:19] <mhall119> oh, I get effie-jax's email now
[15:19] <paultag> leogg: why? I'd love to talk about it
[15:19] <mhall119> FLISOL didn't want a separate list of events in LD
[15:19] <czajkowski> leogg: me neither :(
[15:19] <mhall119> it wasn't that we (LD devs and LC) didn't want it there
[15:19] <leogg> paultag, IMHO global events should be for ubuntu global events
[15:19] <czajkowski> leogg: +1
[15:20] <paultag> leogg: if there are more then one event for the LD it'd be nice to have them all under the single global event - if we hold that global events should be ubuntu only then local events should be ubuntu only
[15:20] <leogg> otherwise it could be interpreted as we're trying to hijack the event
[15:20] <mhall119> leogg: IMO, global events are any world-wide coordinated event that Ubuntu LoCo Teams are participating in
[15:20] <paultag> no, I think it shows we're open to collaborating with the wider community
[15:20] <paultag> personally
[15:20] <leogg> well, not everybody loves us :)
[15:20] <czajkowski> I associate global events with being Ubuntu specific
[15:21] <czajkowski> otherwise we risk adding every single global event going to it
[15:21] <paultag> leogg: granted - but I think it's a show of good faith if we allow ubuntu teams to "plug into" a global event
[15:21] <leogg> czajkowski, yep... me too
[15:21] <mhall119> it's mostly turned out that they were ubuntu specifc, bt I don't think they necessarily should be
[15:21] <czajkowski> and that makes a mockery of the LD and of Ubuntu
[15:21] <mhall119> I think any global event that Ubuntu LoCo teams are interested in is appropriate
[15:21] <paultag> a mockery would be closing out people, IMHO
[15:22] <czajkowski> paultag: guess this is one we just won't agree on :)
[15:22] <paultag> looking @ the global event list - events that begin "Ubuntu .. " are Ubuntu events, so it seems like anything else should be something "external"
[15:22] <paultag> czajkowski: sure sure
[15:23] <paultag> czajkowski: but it'd be nice to have a policy so that we don't make this mistake again (me going off and doing it) - let's push it to the ML?
[15:23] <mhall119> which ML?
[15:23] <czajkowski> paultag: sure
[15:23] <czajkowski> mhall119: ours
[15:23] <czajkowski> the LC
[15:23] <czajkowski> :)
[15:23] <mhall119> :(
[15:25] <paultag> mhall119: It'll be the case where we rough it out on that and present to -contacts with a single face
[15:25]  * mhall119 senses LEP #3 coming, gets the fire extinguisher
[15:25] <paultag> :|
[15:25] <paultag> my name is not going to be on #3 if we do it
[15:25] <czajkowski> mhall119: no, to be fair we usually create the global events
[15:25] <paultag> I've had enough of flames :)
[15:25] <mhall119> paultag: just sign it "Danny"
[15:25] <czajkowski> so it's be kinda a good thing for us to work out first
[15:25] <paultag> mhall119: hahahaha
[15:26] <czajkowski> its a given for Ubuntu events
[15:26] <paultag> mhall119: I need to get canonical to give me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asap
[15:26] <czajkowski> so how about letting us try and work this out first and come out with some ideas
[15:26] <mhall119> czajkowski: sure
[15:26] <mhall119> I'll wait for the email, then say my piece
[15:26] <czajkowski> so not in the mood for more flaming emails again from people and us getting the blame for stuff
[15:26] <czajkowski> I'm just back from holdidays and we;ve other things pending
[15:26] <czajkowski> so don't expect it any time this week :)
[15:27] <mhall119> well if there is an email, it's likely that *someone* is going to start flaming
[15:27] <paultag> mhall119: true
[15:28] <czajkowski> and given some are still on holidays it'll be a while yet
[15:28] <czajkowski> no upcoming global events happening soon anyways
[15:29] <mhall119> UGJ starts tomorrow
[15:29] <mhall119> or did you mean no SFD events
[15:30] <czajkowski> no I mean any future global events that will be added in the future that are non Ubuntu named
[15:30] <paultag> for now, I think it's OK to leave it. I acted quickly, and for better or worse, we've contridicted ourselves
[15:30] <paultag> but that should be talked about and discussed before we do it again
[15:30] <czajkowski> paultag: I guess it's a case of not all of us agreeing on it tbh
[15:30] <mhall119> hey paultag, could I request a different micro-blogging hashtag?
[15:30] <paultag> czajkowski: well yeah, but there's lots of stuff like that, but we always have a single policy we agree on
[15:30] <paultag> even if we personally disagree
[15:30] <paultag> mhall119: sure
[15:31] <paultag> mhall119: what's the tag?
[15:31] <czajkowski> paultag: yup
[15:31] <mhall119> paultag: evidently #sfd is currently used for @SexFactsDaily
[15:31] <paultag> mhall119: oh jeez
[15:31]  * czajkowski hugs locoteams tag
[15:31] <paultag> ah crap
[15:31] <leogg> hehe
[15:31] <paultag> mhall119: what's the "real" tag, or do you want me to remove it / put locoteams ?
[15:32] <mhall119> remove it for now, I'll see if there's an official hashtag
[15:32] <mhall119> or use #locoteams
[15:32] <mhall119> whichever
[15:32] <paultag> mhall119: ack'd done
[15:32] <paultag> ok, I'll use locoteams
[15:32] <paultag> done and done
[15:33] <czajkowski> ok going for a nap know
[15:33] <czajkowski> knackered
[15:33] <mhall119> paultag: it's #SoftwareFreedomDay
[15:33] <czajkowski> up since silly am with travel
[15:36] <paultag> mhall119: roger
[15:36] <paultag> mhall119: all set
[15:36] <mhall119> paultag: thanks, much nicer that way ;)
[15:36] <paultag> I say we stick with SexFactsDaily
[18:14] <Malvoro> Hi everybody
[18:14] <Malvoro> i need ur help
[18:14] <Malvoro> someone here can help me
[18:15] <Malvoro> hola
[18:16] <mhall119> hi Malvoro
[18:16] <Malvoro> hi mhall119
[18:16] <Malvoro> can u please help me with something
[18:16] <mhall119> maybe, what's the problem?
[18:17] <Malvoro> with mount comand
[18:17] <Malvoro> i have some problems with a usb i cant mount that and i dont know why
[18:17] <Malvoro> can u please help me with that
[18:19] <mhall119> Malvoro: ask in #ubuntu, that's where all the knowledgeable people hang out and offer support
[18:22] <Malvoro> ok thanks
[19:12] <Malvoro> hola
[19:59] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[20:42] <Ronnie> jono: any news about the use of ubuntu-nl in our foundation name?
[20:43] <Ronnie> cool, the loco blog functionality is online
[20:43] <Ronnie> mhall119: any reason why our loco feeds are so prominent on the front page?
[20:44] <jono> Ronnie, a bit of internal discussion going on, will be in touch soon
[20:44] <jono> :-)
[20:44] <jono> apologies for the delay
[20:45] <Ronnie> jono: i just needed to be sure you did not forget ;)
[20:46] <mhall119> Ronnie: it's also an artifact of this being the first time any were updated
[20:48] <jono> Ronnie, :-)
[21:32] <paultag> mhall119: pong
[21:40] <mhall119> paultag: hey, can you update the /topic since we've run the data recovery
[21:41] <mhall119> jono: did you see that we recovered missing data earlier this week?
[21:41] <h00k> Oho! Sweet action, the meeting stuffs?
[21:42] <h00k> sorry to interrupt ;)
[21:44] <mhall119> h00k: yes, they should be recovered
[21:44] <h00k> mhall119: high-five to you. and the rest of the team.
[21:45] <mhall119> thanks, we all certainly appreciate it :)
[21:46] <paultag> mhall119: yeah let me see if I can op
[21:47] <paultag> mhall119: I don't have rights :(
[21:47] <paultag> mhall119: try poking irc council
[22:09] <bkerensa> =o
[22:09] <bkerensa> :D
[22:20] <paultag> :)
[23:41] <mhall119> paultag: really, LC doesn't have rights to set the topic?
[23:41] <mhall119> huh, ok
[23:41] <paultag> mhall119: no, it's stupid :)
[23:42] <paultag> mhall119: poke irc council
[23:42] <paultag> I'll ask for rights at some point, but not now :)
[23:42] <mhall119> what's their channel again?
[23:43] <paultag> mhall119: #ubuntu-ops I think has a bunch