[02:04] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-139-g886f3a8 * Aleix Pol: discover/IconColors.cpp
[02:04] <pursuivant> Make it possible to build with Qt 5.5
[02:04] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/886f3a8193f388555fa98cfdb5e8054592a40371
[02:47] <sgclark> I do believe the red is stemmed from a lack of qt 5.5
[08:07] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <Riddell> ? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/10/26/joint-statement-kubuntu-council-community-council/
[09:28] <Riddell> "both councils collaborated and resolved any tensions together" they bully me so I feel I have to leave and that's resolved?
[09:29] <Riddell> they still claim restrictions on ubuntu software which do not exist and which are contrary to ubuntu policy
[09:31] <sitter> count as resoled tension in my book
[09:31] <allee> Riddell: I was also confused when I read the blog post
[09:31]  * sitter can't type nomo
[09:34] <lordievader> Reads a bit like a cover up story, pretending everything is fine...
[09:35] <allee> Only MHO of course: I think as long a  ubuntu CC does not state that in the future they promise coordinate from the begining with Kubuntu CC before any action against kubuntu members nothing is resolved.
[09:36] <Riddell> that's the UCC preferred way of resolving tension... I'm speachless
[09:38] <allee> Riddell: does this mean the post had not the blessing of k cc?
[09:39] <Riddell> I've no idea
[09:40] <sitter> doesn't seem to have been proof read anyway :P
[09:43]  * Riddell posts http://jriddell.org/2015/10/27/resolving-tension/
[10:36] <clivejo> good morning ladies and gents
[10:38] <lordievader> o/
[11:08] <yofel> Riddell: your tension is not resolved I guess, and I doubt it ever will if you keep holding a grudge against the CC.
[11:09] <yofel> allee: well, lets say we decided to regularly talk to each other so this doesn't happen again in the first place. How well that will turn our has to be seen
[11:09] <yofel> *turn out
[11:09] <Riddell> I'll keep doing that while they support claims that go against ubuntu policy and upstream licences
[11:10] <yofel> I still don't get how you expect them to say that it's against the policy if even the SFLC cannot easily say that.
[11:11] <yofel> Sure, the issue isn't resolved, but I think we managed to get to a point where both councils are not throwing insults at each other anymore
[11:11] <yofel> hence "tension resolved"
[11:11] <lordievader> Not throwing insults at each other is good.
[11:12] <yofel> so lets get back to a CoC compliant way of working together and improve things
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:23] <Riddell> yofel: the ubuntu policy is that packages in main "Must allow modification and distribution of modified copies under the same licence." canonical and the canonical staff on the UCC are claiming that binaries can not be freely copied
[11:24] <Riddell> the SFLC only cared about the copyright licence which is different from the ubuntu policy
[11:37] <yofel> that's another great sentence that says nothing in reality. If the license itself isn't explicit about the modification rights, then you still "only" have the rights implied by the license, plus additional conditions if the license allows that.
[11:37] <yofel> so if you want I can quote rohan for the Xth time that this is rather unclear when it comes to permissive licenses.
[11:39] <Riddell> all licences in ubuntu are clear that they allow modification and distribution of modified copies under the same licence, else they would not get into ubuntu
[11:39] <Riddell> no additional restrictions are put onto them
[11:40] <Riddell> and to do so would be against that ubuntu policy
[11:43] <yofel> okay, I didn't read far enough..
[11:43] <yofel> it does say below "You, the user, must be able to pass on any software you have received from Ubuntu in either source code or compiled form."
[12:14] <clivejo> yofel: how do I include the kernel dev packages in a control file?
[12:14] <yofel> clivejo: er, what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:14] <clivejo> package ktoshiba
[12:14] <clivejo> needs kernel developer packages
[12:15] <clivejo> for TOSHIBA_ACPI_SCI
[12:15] <yofel> okay, so that's a kernel module?
[12:15] <TJ-> clivejo: for building the package? build-depends linux-headers-$FLAVOUR
[12:16] <TJ-> clivejo: if it's a DKMS module, a regular depends instead
[12:16] <clivejo> I believe so, requires Kernel 4.3+
[12:17] <TJ-> Oh, actually, for DKMS it just needs to depend on dkms itself
[12:21] <clivejo> how do I specify which kernel version
[12:21] <clivejo> Ive tried just using linux-headers
[12:30] <TJ-> clivejo: it shouldn't be tied to a particular version, but maybe a >= is suitable
[12:30] <TJ-> Are you making a DKMS package? That's the way to deal with out-of-tree kernel modules
[12:31] <clivejo> TJ-: I dont know
[12:31] <clivejo> just messing about, trying to package this http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KToshiba?content=18621
[12:32] <sitter> KToshiba from SVN :O
[12:32] <clivejo> sitter: ??
[12:33] <clivejo> I have a Toshiba laptop and spotted it on the RSS feed and thought Id have a go
[12:33] <TJ-> That looks like a GUI/userspace application. Does it include a kernel module too? If so, the kernel module should be be separated into a <package>-dkms package
[12:33] <clivejo> TJ-: no idea :/
[12:34] <sitter> TJ-: it's not a module, apparently it just needs a new enough kernel due to ioctl request id helper TOSHIBA_ACPI_SCI
[12:34] <sitter> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/uapi/linux/toshiba.h only introduced jul 24
[12:34] <clivejo> error: ‘TOSHIBA_ACPI_DEVICE’ was not declared in this scope
[12:34] <clivejo>      m_file.setFileName(TOSHIBA_ACPI_DEVICE);
[12:34] <clivejo> gets to 10%
[12:35] <sitter> yeah, I am not sure we hav ea new enough kernel in wily TBH
[12:35] <yofel> we don't
[12:35] <TJ-> sitter: clivejo then there's no need to specify a package dependency on a kernel version, maybe add code to check for the IOCTL at run-time and report if the kernel doesn't support it
[12:35] <clivejo> ah that would be the problem then!
[12:36] <TJ-> clivejo: alternatively, do the IOCTL check in the postinst - but that doesn't help where a system has multiple kernel versions available. Run-time check is best
[12:36] <clivejo> The System Settings module now requires toshiba_acpi driver version 0.23, which is included in kernel 4.3, if you don't want to upgrade your kernel, see the file README.toshiba_acpi
[12:36] <sitter> clivejo isn't the author
[12:36] <sitter> neither am I
[12:36] <TJ-> It doesn't take much to add a patch to check for the IOCTL
[12:36] <clivejo> Im running 4.2.0-17-generic
[12:36] <sitter> it does take author approval
[12:36] <sitter> and seeing as the author hasn't made it optional I doubt we'd get that
[12:37] <TJ-> The patch can be applied in the packaging
[12:37] <sitter> we do not apply patches that aren't approved
[12:37] <sgclark> morning
[12:38] <sitter> sgclark: おはようございますo/
[12:42] <TJ-> sitter: why is that?
[12:44] <clivejo> I might install Kernel 4.3
[12:44] <clivejo> anyone else using it?
[12:45] <TJ-> clivejo: Yes
[12:46] <clivejo> any issues?
[12:46] <TJ-> clivejo: There always are - its software!
[12:48] <clivejo> no 64bit for 4.3RC ?
[12:52] <TJ-> clivejo: Yes, of course there is
[13:00] <yofel> clivejo: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[13:00] <yofel> use with caution
[13:17] <TJ-> clivejo: Oh, if you mean the Ubuntu mainline builds - there's a bug in the build scripts causing failures for the amd64 builds
[13:23] <TJ-> Apparently apw has fixed that in the last 24 hours and amd64 builds should start to appear shortly
[13:37] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-140-g0a71afd * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/DummyBackend/tests (3 files)
[13:37] <pursuivant> Fix tests
[13:37] <pursuivant> They weren't adapted to delayed run of the dummy backend.
[13:37] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/0a71afdc539cdcc34a7f95f43657f53edf7b6412
[13:38] <yofel> TJ-: how come there is an amd64 build for rc7 if those are broken o.O?
[13:38] <yofel> or do you mean they're unfunctional?
[13:41] <TJ-> yofel: For the past week the amd64 builds were failing due to a ZFS issue; apw fixed the build scripts  so builds are now happening. versions such as v4.2.4-unstable still don't have amd64 kernel builds
[13:41] <yofel> ah ok
[15:11] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-141-g9727e82 * Aleix Pol: libmuon (3 files in 3 dirs)
[15:11] <pursuivant> Improve test coverage of ReviewsModel test
[15:11] <pursuivant> And fix the problems while at it. :)
[15:11] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/9727e822df6d5c670a7cee1db4e965b611f2438b
[15:14] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-142-g0706e9e * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/DummyBackend/tests/DummyTest.cpp
[15:14] <pursuivant> Use ModelTest with the UpdatesModel test in Dummy
[15:14] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/0706e9ec41e410eaea255776ffedd77356e499be
[15:47] <genii> Odd behaviour on 15.04, windows open by default on secondary display ( previously the primary ) until after automatic update check finishes, then they open on the primary as would be the expected behaviour. Seems like system settings for primary/secondary are not applied until after update check is finished
[16:03] <mck182> can I make the oom_killer more effective?
[16:03] <mck182> currently it's really useless
[16:03] <mck182> it goes swapping for 10 minutes and most of the times does not recover ever
[16:19] <kfunk> mck182: swapoff -a :)
[16:19] <mck182> kfunk: but I have no swap :(
[16:19] <kfunk> then it can't swap
[16:20] <mck182> well I assume that's what kswapd does
[16:20] <mck182> when the laptop gets into the oom state, you can see kswapd taking most of the cpu..I dunno what it's doing
[16:21] <mck182> all I would like to have is the oom_killer going "oh, we are about to run out of memory here, let me just kill something so you system does not become unusable for the next 15 minutes"
[16:21] <mck182> I did set some oom_killer setting
[16:21] <kfunk> never seen that
[16:22] <kfunk> oom_killer "does its job" here
[16:22] <mck182> I have /always/ seen that on all my machines...sigh
[16:22] <mck182> I have ~50 chromium tabs opened, kdevelop and typing make -j4 brings it down
[16:22] <mck182> always.
[16:22] <kfunk> bad RAM / bad kernel? try googling a bit. I'm sure the behavior of your machine is untypical
[16:22] <mck182> I had this consistenly on 3 different machines tho
[16:22] <mck182> so I assumed it's a general problem
[16:23] <mck182> it also brings down a powerful machine with 16gb ram and an ssd disk
[16:31] <yofel> FWIW, I've seen the same thing here. Memory gets like 95% full, but instead of swapping kswapd goes mental and locks the system up (no idea what it does as the system is frozen)
[16:31] <yofel> I tried playing with memory pressure settings and stuff, but didn't really help
[16:31] <yofel> with recent kernels it's a bit better..
[16:33] <mck182> there is this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/398236/oom-killer-not-working
[16:33] <mck182> it does help a bit
[16:33] <mck182> but not in all cases
[17:01] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-143-g82c6063 * Aleix Pol: discover (4 files in 2 dirs)
[17:01] <pursuivant> Make it possible to show flat tool buttons on the UI
[17:01] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/82c6063a93f5c16a32842a8d4a2a98c1f0ed005d
[17:56] <marco-parillo> Thanks to yofel and team: My kinfocenter reports Kubuntu 16.04
[18:46] <santa_> yofel: did you have time to test the things we have so far in automation-ng?
[18:55] <alvin> Is it me, or is bugs.kde.org extremely slow? I have been loading https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316153 for the past 7 minutes and it's not yet there.
[18:55] <alvin> While this bot gets it immediately....
[18:57] <marco-parillo> It is you (unless you have very high standards).
[18:57] <alvin> Still loading. Wel, it depends. It's a 240Mbit connection. Can't have all sites at that speed, but this is ridiculous
[18:59] <marco-parillo> Between the time you asked, I hit BKO for the first time ever on this VM, Logged In, and returned a list of all the bugs I follow before I replied to you.
[19:00] <alvin> Whoa. Well, I can do that on Launchpad, but not on bugs.kde.org. Still not loaded. I can see some of the text, but no layout yet
[19:01] <marco-parillo> Of course, I am the last person left using rekonq, so maybe it is your browser ;-)
[19:02] <alvin> I'm starting to think it's IPv6 that's the problem. Not sure though
[19:05] <alvin> Confirmed. It certainly IS IPv6.
[19:07] <clivejo> yofel santa_ : "Kubuntu'ers, can you help merging these to your kubuntu_unstable branch so I can use it for the Plasma Phone?" on the mailing list, what needs merging and can I help?
[19:07] <alvin> ok. Voted. My wife is a bit annoyed. She can no longer erase her mail. Neither can I, but I'm using webmail to erase them. Kmail in Kubuntu 15.10 can no longer do this. When will there be a new version?
[19:10] <alvin> I'm starting to think that this isn't the bug that was originally reported. People added comments about 'since Kubuntu 15.10 at the end, but it was reported in 2013 and I can also only confirm on 2 Kubuntu 15.10 machines'
[19:12] <santa_> clivejo: I would leave that one for more experienced people
[19:12] <clivejo> santa_: no problem
[19:13]  * clivejo goes back to fixing the inverter
[19:14] <yofel> santa_: not yet, was busy with other things
[19:14] <santa_> ok
[20:09] <mhall119> hi everyone, I'm still looking for someone who can show off and talk about Plasma Mobile at Ubuntu Online Summit next week, can someone here help me out?
[20:14] <soee> mhall119: isn't #plasma channel better place to ask ? :)
[20:17] <mhall119> soee: might be, given that the device images are based on Ubuntu touch/Kubuntu I was hoping to get someone from here
[20:21] <mhall119> ok, mobile aside, does anybody want to run Kubuntu related sessions?
[20:21] <mhall119> they can be presentations, demos, orplanning sessions
[20:22] <yofel> mhall119: a planning session would be good, where does one ask for sessions?
[20:23] <yofel> ahoneybun: do you plan something for the documentation?
[20:23] <sgclark> yeah we could use some planning
[20:23] <mhall119> yofel: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/propose_meeting/
[20:23] <yofel> thanks
[20:24] <mhall119> yofel: the "convergence" track has kind of consumed mobile and desktop topics
[20:24]  * sgclark goes back to her backports
[20:24]  * mhall119 wants to find a better track name for next UOS
[20:24] <yofel> mhall119: "consumed"?
[20:24] <mhall119> yofel: there used to be a dedicated "Desktop" track
[20:24] <yofel> aah
[20:25] <mhall119> but last UOS and this one, rather than having a separate "Mobile" track, we combined it with desktop and changed the name
[20:25] <yofel> ok, thanks. Then I know what to select there :)
[20:26] <yofel> mhall119: do I need to add something for those URLs? I thought the Pad is auto-generated for a session?
[20:27] <yofel> I should at least make a wiki page though..
[20:27] <mhall119> you don't need to, but they're there if you want them
[20:28] <yofel> ok
[20:28] <mhall119> pad is auto-generated based on the title, yeah, but can be overwritten
[20:28] <mhall119> wiki is mostly a leftover from the UDS days and before Blueprints had useful whiteboards and work item tracking
[20:28] <mhall119> I'm not sure anybody uses it anymore
[20:30] <yofel> okay
[20:31] <yofel> mhall119: where does that participant list come from?
[20:33] <mhall119> yofel: people who have registered as attending the UOS
[20:34] <mhall119> via http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/registration/
[20:34] <yofel> aaaah, I should probably do that ^^
[20:34] <ahoneybun> yofel: mhall119 it would maybe be a showcase with Sphinx?
[20:36] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ??
[20:36] <ahoneybun> mhall119: documentation tool
[20:36] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I know what sphinx is, I'm just not sure what the context of your question was
[20:37]  * mhall119 feels like he's missing have a conversation
[20:37] <ahoneybun> showcase of what can be done with sphinx maybe
[20:37]  * ahoneybun has to finish his blog post and his talk...
[20:37] <mhall119> ahoneybun: are you proposing a session?
[20:37] <mhall119> for UOS or UbuCon?
[20:38] <ahoneybun> both?
[20:38]  * mhall119 won't say 'no' to that :)
[20:39]  * ahoneybun keeps pushing "Update" on his N4 for working mouse pointer
[20:39] <mhall119> yofel: if you have a particular day and time you'd like your session let me know
[20:39] <mhall119> ahoneybun: do you have a mouse connected?
[20:39] <ahoneybun> I've had one but with no pointer
[20:39] <ahoneybun> the new rc-proposed image should fix that
[20:40] <yofel> mhall119: is the scheduling automatic? I won't be able to participate on thursday, so it would be nice if it would get scheduled on 3./4.
[20:40] <mhall119> yofel: no, it's all manual now, so myself or cimi from the desktop team can do it
[20:41] <mhall119> yofel: would earlier (for Europe) or later (for west-coast US) be better?
[20:41] <yofel> later would be better I believe
[20:42]  * ahoneybun votes for later
[20:43] <mhall119> 1900 UTC on the 3rd is available, or we have 1800 or 1900 on the 4th
[20:43] <yofel> then lets take 1900 on the 3rd
[20:44] <ahoneybun> 1900 UTC
[20:44] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:44] <yofel> yep
[20:45] <mhall119> yofel: you got it :)
[20:45] <yofel> mhall119: thanks!
[20:46] <yofel> I'll tell the others on the ML and come back to you if it doesn't work out. But at least we have a date to plan for now, so thanks for the UOS reminder.
[20:46] <mhall119> FYI, there's a session on Qt in 16.04 immediately before that, at 1800 UTC, so that would probably lead nicely into yours
[20:46] <ahoneybun> that works 3pm in my TM
[20:46] <ahoneybun> TZ
[20:47] <ahoneybun> crap
[20:47] <ahoneybun> nm
[20:47] <ahoneybun> Podcast is on the 4th
[20:47] <yofel> wasn't that supposed to be on the 7th?
[20:47] <ahoneybun> it is on the first weds of the month
[20:47] <ahoneybun> which is the 4th
[20:48] <yofel> hmkay, well, this way you'll at least be able to tell the public something :)
[20:51] <sgclark> err that is 11am for me, how can it be 3 for you ahoneybun? it is 2 I think..
[20:51] <ahoneybun> 1900 uTC?
[20:51] <sgclark> I guess I need to register
[20:51] <sgclark> aye
[20:51] <ahoneybun> google says 3pm
[20:51] <sgclark> says 11 for me! hmm
[20:54] <mhall119> ahoneybun: sgclark: we have a DST change this coming weekend, remember
[20:55] <sgclark> blech
[20:55] <sgclark> ok
[20:55] <sgclark> I lived in Az for too long, still can't get used to that
[20:55] <mhall119> so 1900 UTC today is going to be different than 1900 UTC next week :)
[20:55] <mhall119> fun times
[20:55] <sgclark> hahahah
[20:55] <mhall119> DST is by far one of humanities worse ideas
[20:55] <sgclark> well I registered, likely ffor the wrong time
[20:56]  * yofel didn't know that the DST switch days differed around the world...
[20:56] <yofel> we already did the switch here
[20:57] <sgclark> umm how do I become an attendent?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> George Bush  switched it to the weekend after Hallowe'en in the US..most sensible thing he ever did as president :-)
[20:58] <sgclark> nm I am blind
[20:59] <BluesKaj> ok, got 16.04 working from the daily ...seems ok so far
[21:00] <BluesKaj> anyway that's it for today ...later
[21:00] <soee> :D
[21:01] <santa_> aaaaahhhhhhh
[21:01] <sgclark> ?!
[21:01] <santa_> I can't log into wiki.ubuntu.org
[21:01] <santa_> darn
[21:02] <santa_> * .com
[21:02] <yofel> uh, try it like a dozen times. If you're lucky it'll work eventually
[21:03] <santa_> so it hangs for you too?
[21:03] <santa_> I never logged in before, but I have the ubuntu one account
[21:03] <santa_> which works for launchpad, but not for the wiki right now
[21:03] <yofel> I try to never log out, but yeah, I usually get the same hangs from the wiki
[21:04] <yofel> one of the reasons why we use the kde wiki for most of our stuff
[21:05] <santa_> :O it seems it logged in now
[21:05] <santa_> I left the browser like 30 min ago doing the thing
[21:37] <mhall119> I've been involved in Ubuntu for like 8 years now, and the wiki has always been like that
[21:56] <yofel> in some sense that's also a way of spam protection...
[22:31] <valorie> lol, what an upside, yofel


[00:00] <StevenJayCohen> <provvisorio "Steven Jay Cohen: I've tried it "> Happy to walk you through the basics at sopme point so you can evaluate it yourself
[00:00] <OvenWerks> The author has not done anything with it in years (maybe over 10?) and so as the libs it relies on have changed it no longer even compiles.
[00:01] <OvenWerks> It seemed to work ok on 18.04 but was dropped for 20.04
[00:02] <OvenWerks> I think we were going to go with dexter.
[00:02] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I thought we were dropping hexter. The menu item is still there but it crashes on start
[00:02] <provvisorio> OvenWerks: I don't know, I found it in the installation of ubuntu studio 20.04, I tried to open it and it only opens the connection with JACK in "Carla".
[00:03] <OvenWerks> Yeah that makes sense, the GUI is separate from the DSP
[00:03] <provvisorio> StevenJayCohen: sorry can you say it  in other words? :')
[00:04] <provvisorio> OvenWerks: Oh, ok ok
[00:04] <OvenWerks> provvisorio: basically hexter is broken
[00:05] <OvenWerks> dexter is the best replacement but it is not in the repo
[00:06] <OvenWerks> Sorry dexed
[00:06] <provvisorio> OvenWerks: yes yes, i understood you, I told StevenJayCohen that I didn't understand what it meant
[00:07] <StevenJayCohen> I am happy to help you get Reaper set up so you can try it out properly
[00:07] <provvisorio> StevenJayCohen: ah, good, why not
[00:14] <provvisorio> @steve
[00:15] <provvisorio> StevenJayCohen: i must register to contact you in PM, so we will try tomorrow, now in Italy it's 2:15 a.m.
[00:27] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It needs an update, but it *should* work.
[00:27] <Eickmeyer> Can't believe that one slipped through the cracks.
[00:28] <provvisorio> :') :')
[00:29] <provvisorio> I don't understand why I see tutorials on the internet where all the software works perfectly, then I use them and nothing ever works hahaha
[00:30] <OvenWerks> I notice that dexed is not even available in the repo. I don't know where I got it... I just seem to have the binary
[00:35] <provvisorio> OvenWerks: maybe from kxstudio repo? I can't even find the link for a possible binary on the dexed website
[00:58] <r2b2nz> With Ardour 6 apparently nearing release, just wondering if any pre-release test builds are done for Ubuntu Studio or whether packaging only begins once final release is done and is of a good enough quality?
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> r2b2nz: We cannot do pre-release builds and have been instructed not to do so by the Ardour team. Once it releases, we'll put it in a special PPA for those that want it.
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> It can break sessions done with 5.12 (no backwards compatibility), so we don't want to break people's setups by adding it to the main backports PPA.
[01:02] <r2b2nz> Cool, thanks. Thought something like that might be the case.
[18:14] <glass-erection> how do i update Ubuntu Studio from 17.10 to something more modern?
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> !17.10
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> !eolupgrade
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> glass-erection: ^
[18:14] <glass-erection> Alright, than you
[18:15] <glass-erection> *thank
[18:58] <zorrito> Hola!
[19:02] <tomreyn> hi zorrito
[19:04] <zorrito> soy usuario de ubuntustudio hace unos años, soy novato y mi profesión es músico y docente en diferentes niveles educativos públicos y privados de la Pcia de Ba As Argentina.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> !es | zorrito
[19:05] <zorrito> me gustaría colaborar con el proyecto y estoy buscando un espacio para eso como voluntario de pruebas
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> zorrito: gracias
[19:06] <zorrito> hay algun chat en español que conozcas para eso?
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> zorrito: #ubuntu-es
[19:07] <zorrito> genial! muchas gracias!!
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> zorrito: de nada


[00:38] <ikonia> how are we looking on the spam front tonight ?
[00:51] <Pici> -r has been set for nearly 12 hours now.
[00:51] <ikonia> super
[00:57]  * h00k gives thumbsup
[00:58] <h00k> I'm investigating MeeGo. I like it. Except bash is ignoring my aliases.
[04:38] <IdleOne> How can we help you wiggles?
[04:38] <wiggles> -b
[04:38] <IdleOne> what is -b?
[04:39] <wiggles> unban
[04:39] <IdleOne> not going to happen tonight
[04:39] <wiggles> rude as fuck
[04:39] <elky> IdleOne, i agree with you.
[04:39] <IdleOne> come back in 24 hours after you read Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:40] <IdleOne> wiggles make it 48 hours
[04:40] <IdleOne> have a good night wiggles.
[04:43] <IdleOne> wiggles if there is nothing else please part the channel as we have a no idle rule.
[04:43] <wiggles> http://www.facebook.com/john.chiazzese
[04:43] <wiggles> lol is that you
[04:43] <IdleOne> yeah thats me
[04:43] <IdleOne> congrats you know how to google
[04:44] <wiggles> lol
[04:44] <IdleOne> elky: can you please remove wiggles
[04:44] <IdleOne> thank you
[04:45] <IdleOne> that is official stalker #2 I believe
[04:45]  * elky adds you on facebook for lulz
[04:46] <elky> i needs foods
[04:46] <IdleOne> elky: and if you are lucky I will maybe sign on to FB within the next month and accept :P
[04:46] <elky> heh
[04:47]  * pleia2 adds too
[04:47] <pleia2> now you have lots of stalkers
[04:47] <IdleOne> :)
[04:47] <IdleOne> yeah but you two count as +1's
[05:02] <IdleOne> wiggles in -women get ready
[05:03]  * pleia2 nods
[05:03] <IdleOne> and idle1
[05:03] <IdleOne> that is not me
[05:04] <pleia2> obviously :)
[05:05] <IdleOne> equity is probably part of the stalkers club also but not certain
[07:17] <elky> pleia2, still around?
[07:22] <pleia2> sorta
[07:22]  * pleia2 watching tv
[07:23] <pleia2> elky: what's up?
[07:23] <bazhang> time to forget envyng factoid?
[07:23] <elky> pleia2, i missed your warning earlier, elly has just PM'd me to make sure I'd seen it. we should discuss in PM
[07:23] <pleia2> k
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[08:29] <ikonia> !info kchm
[08:30] <bazhang> its kchmviewer
[08:31] <ikonia> ahh
[08:31] <ikonia> !info kchmviewer
[08:31] <ikonia> bazhang: you genius
[08:31] <bazhang> ubottu needs the apt-cache search abilities :)
[08:31] <bazhang> whoops
[08:32] <jpds> Or telepathic IRC tab-completion.
[08:32] <bazhang> haha
[08:32] <ikonia> that would be better
[08:36] <ikonia> ughhhh checkinstall is not something I feel should be recommended to people asking "how to build debs"
[08:37] <jussi> ikonia: +1
[08:38] <ikonia> congratulations on your graduation
[08:38] <ikonia> not seen you in ages
[08:41] <jussi> ikonia: yeah, Ive been busy with it...
[08:41] <jussi> :D
[08:41] <jussi> and the wedding and about a bazillion other things
[08:43] <ikonia> ha ha, too much
[08:47] <bazhang> wiggles ban dodging IdleOne
[08:48] <ikonia> wiggles iback
[08:48] <IdleOne> thank you
[08:48] <wiggles> yes hello
[08:49] <ikonia> wiggles: are you aware you where dodging a ban ?
[08:49] <wiggles> seems its lifted
[08:49] <ikonia> no
[08:49] <wiggles> i have not changed nicks or idents
[08:49] <ikonia> as you did earlier with freenode web chat
[08:50] <ikonia> it seems you changed your ip to get around it
[08:50] <wiggles> ever heard of dhcp
[08:50] <wiggles> lol webchat
[08:50] <bazhang> you were asked to come back in 48 hours to discuss
[08:50] <wiggles> ok
[08:50] <wiggles> c u in 48hrs
[08:50] <bazhang> to this channel
[08:50] <IdleOne> thanks for taking care of that
[08:51] <bazhang> hope he saw the last bit about this channel
[08:51] <IdleOne> his host changed to ipv6
[08:51] <ikonia> I know
[08:51] <ikonia> his other host (on freenode web chat) wasn't
[08:51] <ikonia> so he knew what he was doing
[08:51] <ikonia> plus he wasn't wearing his cloak to get around it
[08:51] <ikonia> (or trying to)
[08:54] <bazhang> ^^how not to get unbanned
[08:55] <ikonia> no -women ops active
[08:55] <IdleOne> kloeri can jump in if needed
[08:56] <IdleOne> oh he did
[08:56] <IdleOne> or she
[08:57] <bazhang> hah <no reason given>
[08:58] <ikonia> standby on -women
[08:58] <ikonia> just tried again in #ubuntu
[08:58] <bazhang> ouch
 lrn2op  * pynchon has quit (K-Lined)
[09:00] <ikonia> yes
[09:00] <ikonia> another ip6 client just joined, don't think its' him though
[09:01] <IdleOne> persistent isn't he
[09:01] <ikonia> IdleOne: is your ban going to work ? you didn't wildcard the ip
[09:02] <IdleOne> ikonia: probably not but you did
[09:02] <ikonia> I'm going to remove yours than if that's ok
[09:02] <IdleOne> cs.py defaults to full host I guess
[09:02] <IdleOne> yeah that's cool
[09:02] <IdleOne> think I might need to edit it a little
[09:02] <IdleOne> the script that is
[09:03] <IdleOne> I got a few days off starting tomorrow. I'll see what i can figure out
[09:32] <IdleOne> wow it's 4:30?
[12:38] <ryan1918> run www.ryan1918.com
[12:41] <Tm_T> idoru <3
[12:53] <Pici> oh dear. that was a lot of op hilights in my away log.
[12:55]  * jussi hugs Pici
[13:45] <LjL> i think xray7224 might need being redirected to ##fix_your_connection
[13:47] <LjL> or not. seems to have settled now
[14:07] <h00k> morning, all.
[14:07] <bazhang> hi
[16:27] <Pici> !br
[21:09] <LjL> hi. until 18:43 UTC IRCAnswersBot was in #ubuntu-offtopic. i see at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IRC/Bots that it's an approved bot for some channels, but not for that one, which i believe shouldn't be publicly logged.
[21:21] <Tm_T> LjL: correct
[21:27] <LjL> thanks for checking
[22:59] <niko> he is in #kubuntu too
[22:59] <niko> but i remind fine, ops agrees about that
[23:22] <topyli> i think the rules for external bots are clear enough. there should be no "thin ice" to try walking on, approved bots can easily be disapproved if they don't behave


[19:06]  * cjohnston throws a roach in the direction of MichelleQ
[19:06]  * cjohnston runs and hides
[19:43] <MichelleQ> you. no cookies for you.


[00:11] <wantom> ok
[01:35] <Ninten> Hey, everyone! Not too long ago I requested help due to an issue I'm facing. Since I upgraded my system to Xubuntu 22.04.1, I get this message on boot, "mtd device must be supplied (name is empty)". Then, the system proceeds to boot in emergency mode. Once more, I'd like to request for help. It would be much appreciated if anyone had any insight on this issue. Thanks
[04:31] <rfm> Ninten, you might look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1981622 for clues.  seems that message is not what's causing the system not to boot. permaps "journalctl -b" in emergency mode and see if there are other messages
[08:22] <Eight_> Managed to get xubuntu installed and I can access it if I restart and spam "esc" to then select xubuntu, but if I allow my laptop to continue booting normally windows takes priority. Would like to know how I can get grub to take priority and allow me to chose which os I want to boot into rather than windows taking priority and having to be stopped
[08:22] <Eight_> from booting to allow me use xubuntu. Installed from windows 8.1 and xubuntu itself seems to be fine, but I cant manage to find a solution to this issue.
[09:54] <tomreyn> Eight_: are you uefi booting? it sounds like you are. if so, you can choose the default target in bios, and use the bios provided boot override menu to choose what to boot - before grub even loads.
[10:08] <Eight_> How exactly would I do that in the bios and what exactly am I supposed to change?
[10:14] <tomreyn> Eight_: the uefi setup screens differ by computer model. you would need to refer to the manual there.
[10:17] <tomreyn> Eight_: you can also set the default boot order using efibootmgr from xubuntu: https://www.linuxbabe.com/command-line/how-to-use-linux-efibootmgr-examples
[10:28] <Eight_> Am I going to have to chose between either xubuntu or windows as a default, rather than getting a prompt before either is selected? I can live with that, but It would definitely be more convenient to get a choice
[14:47] <usuario> Hello
[14:47] <usuario> This is the chat support of xubuntu?
[14:47] <tomreyn> Eight_: maybe you can configure your uefi firmware to always prompt you by not setting a default, but again, that will depend on the uefi implementation.
[14:47] <tomreyn> usuario: yes
[14:47] <usuario> okey , perfect
[14:48] <tomreyn> for questions which are not specifically about the graphical user interface and applications of XFCE, there is also #ubuntu, which has the same foundation
[15:30] <ali1234> i just upgraded to 22.04 and how do i turn off the comically large title bars?
[15:35] <ali1234> also why is pkexec broken now?
[15:47] <ali1234> ah, enabling the qa experimental ppa gets rid of the funny title bars
[15:47] <ali1234> pkexec still broken though
[15:55] <Ninten> rfm, thanks for your input! I ran the command "journalctl -xb", and it seems like systemd has trouble mounting the partitions. There seems to be an EFI issue as well
[15:58] <Ninten> Not sure if my system is salvageable, though. I already downloaded the Xubuntu ISO, because methinks it's the easiest way to save all my files to a different partition, then perform a fresh install
[15:59] <ali1234> Ninten: did upgrading hose your system too? :(
[16:00] <ali1234> for me, the upgrader didn't install netplan or lightdm, so first boot was to a console with no networking. had to install them manually
[16:01] <ali1234> apparently bluetooth is broken as well, but i don't use that
[16:02] <ali1234> systemd is trying and failing to start bluez every 30 seconds
[16:04] <Ninten> ali1234, After upgrading, xubuntu only boots in emergency mode, so yeah, my system is compromised
[16:04] <ali1234> any error when normal booting?
[16:05] <ali1234> or just a black screen?
[16:06] <Ninten> I get "mtd device must be supplied (name is empty)" on a black screen, then the splash screen, then emergency mode
[16:07] <ali1234> that error is harmless, i see it too
[16:07] <Ninten> I thought so
[16:07] <ali1234> not sure what emergency mode even looks like
[16:08] <ali1234> ugh why is it defaulting to "xset b on" now?
[16:09] <ali1234> all i hear is beep beep beep
[16:10] <Ninten> Emergency mode is basically a black screen with a command line
[16:10] <ali1234> a login?
[16:10] <ali1234> or do you go right into a shell?
[16:11] <Ninten> Yes
[16:12] <Ninten> I press control-d and I go into the shell
[16:12] <Ninten> With root privileges
[16:13] <ali1234> hmm. that's different to what i experienced
[16:14] <ali1234> did you get any errors during the upgrade?
[16:14] <Ninten> No
[16:15] <Ninten> It went smoothly
[16:15] <ali1234> for me it crashed, and then the crash reporter crashed
[16:15] <ali1234> so i was left with a half installed system
[16:17] <Ninten> How did you finish the upgrade?
[16:17] <ali1234> i ran the upgrader again and let it finish
[16:18] <ali1234> then i rebooted, logged in, configured interface manually with ifconfig, and ran sudo apt update && sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[16:20] <Ninten> I see
[16:22] <ali1234> then to fix networking i had to "sudo apt install netplan.io && sudo netplan generate && sudo netplan apply"
[16:22] <ali1234> and now i just fixed polkit by installing policykit-1-gnome
[16:22] <ali1234> (that should really be in the xubuntu-desktop seed)
[16:24] <ali1234> i think that's everything fixed here
[16:26] <Ninten> That was very linux-savvy! I wouldn't have known which packages to install
[16:26] <ali1234> i didn't either. i had to google it
[16:26] <ali1234> all this stuff is completely different to how it was just a couple of years ago
[16:26] <ali1234> i'm not really convinced it is an improvement
[16:26] <ali1234> especially netplan
[16:27] <ali1234> at least it is easy to configure your DNS from the command line now
[16:27] <ali1234> although the "predictable" interface names are anything but
[16:29] <ali1234> they decided to name interfaces based on PCI topology because apparently that never changes? except when it does
[16:29] <ali1234> plug in a pci-e card with a pci bridge on it and all your network cards get shifted down one, lol
[16:29] <ali1234> the exact problem that predictable names is supposed to fix
[16:36] <rfm> ali1234, PCI assignments never change, but PCI-e ones do.  PCI-e came along after the predictable name project..
[16:37] <rfm> ali1234, netplan makes it easy to match on the MAC address for config, that's what I do
[16:38] <ali1234> pci-e is 20 years old
[16:50] <Eight_> Is there any way to add a search bar on the panel rather than accessing it through the applications menu?
[16:52] <ali1234> i don't think so - there is verve command line, but you have to know exactly what the program is called
[18:26] <Kuschelpony> good day
[18:40] <Ninten> I just bought a couple of recordable DVDs. Now I can burn the downloaded ISO and boot from it, recover my files, and do a fresh install. Question is, will my computer be able to handle it? I have a 2x 1.30Ghz processor, 4GB of RAM, and an onboard graphics card
[18:42] <tomreyn> it will be slow, and you might have issues with too many heavy applications running, such as multiple web browsers or many open browser tabs, or a web browser and a video viewing / editing software.
[18:42] <tomreyn> what matters is that it's an x86-64 CPU
[18:43] <tomreyn> if you're able to boot the installer, it is, though.
[18:43] <tomreyn> https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[19:06] <Ninten> Thanks, tomreyn
[19:07] <Ninten> What about support for Japanese input? It worked on 20.04, with anthy, but I'm unsure if it would work on 22.04
[19:10] <genii> !info anthy jammy
[19:11] <tomreyn> Ninten: ^ so it does exist. i could not comment on whether or not it works, have no experience, i'm afraid.
[19:12] <genii> !info anthy focal
[19:13] <genii> It's the same version so the odds are pretty good it will just operate as before
[19:19] <Ninten> Cool! Thanks
[19:21] <Ninten> !info fcitx5 jammy
[19:42] <Ninten> Is it difficult to install the home folder in another partition than the OS?
[19:46] <tomreyn> what's difficult to person 1 can be piece of cake to person 2, so it really depends much on you.
[19:47] <tomreyn> it does not involve a lot of steps, but if you're not familiar with working on a terminal it can be challenging.
[19:48] <Ninten> I know only the basic commands
[19:51] <tomreyn> here's a way to do it on an already installed system: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:52] <tomreyn> it will be easier if you do it on a fresh installation with custom partitioning.
[19:52] <ali1234> i used to do the separate home thing but i stopped. i couldn't really see the point and i always ended up just wasting loads of space on the root drive
[19:59] <Ninten> But, on the other hand, you having your files on a separate partition helps you when doing a fresh install, for you will format only the root drive
[19:59] <ali1234> i just swap in a blank drive
[19:59] <ali1234> then attach the old one on USB to copy files
[20:01] <Ninten> Do you use an USB hard drive?
[20:01] <ali1234> no
[20:01] <ali1234> only for the old install
[20:43] <Ninten> So I booted from Live CD, but I don't see the panel on top of the screen. Should this be expected?
[20:53] <Ninten> The mouse pointer is an X, I can't close windows by clicking because there's not a header with a button. I am very afraid this installation will not work... But at least I am backing up my files from my broken xubuntu partition (a bit over 30GB
[21:21] <Eight_> Managed to get ungoogled chromium working through an appimage, but I can't get a launcher for it to work on the panel, nor can I assign it a proper image. Tried to look online for a method on doing this but one guide didn't work and I have yet to find any others. Any help would be appreciated, as I would prefer to have my main browser easy to
[21:21] <Eight_> access and distinguish if possible.
[21:38] <hulp> Hey im having a issue with install updates its giving me the error "Unable to install updates Prepared update not found /var/lib/Packagekit/prepared-update
[21:45] <hulp> nervmind i found a fix
[21:58] <Ninten> I have a 4GB partition that I want to use as Swap area, and a partition for the OS and all my files. What about the ESP partition? Is it created automatically?
[22:22] <Ninten> No, I must create that partition
[22:22] <Ninten> The ESP, that is
[22:28] <Ninten> Question: in a fresh install of xubuntu what should be the mount point of the ESP?
[22:43] <rfm> Ninten, /boot/efi is where it normally goes


[01:04] <chatter29> hey guys
[01:05] <chatter29> allah is doing
[06:04] <user|70947> Wifi no found hp pavillion 6500
[06:16] <user|70947> Hp pavillion dv 6643el
[10:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 Hi all! Will Plasma on Kubuntu 16.04 backports still be updated? I am still on Plasma 5.8.5. … 5.8.6 was released over two month ago. … Will the backports receive updates for 5.8 in the future?
 @weltimeister, 5.8.6 will be done soon. just been busy getting zesty ready for release
 @acheronuk, Ah, I see. Thanka for your quick answer! So the plan is to do all the 5.8 future releases? 5.8.7, 5.8.8 and so on?
 correct
 Xenial is an LTS, and so is 5.8.x Plasma. so having all the 5.8 updates and fixes seems important
 @acheronuk, Great. Thank you!
[12:09] <vojzzo> Anyone here?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> vojzzo, just ask your question
[18:33] <user|5133> are there resources for creating a live cd?
[19:03] <dbrom> hello all I have a ROG that i want to install a USB-AC56R I have downloads the drives and gone though the steps but done know what to do next ...
[19:06] <dbrom> when i do a lsusb -nn or a modprode 8812au nothing atleast that i can see comes up is relivant
[19:20] <[On\Off]> How can I install "orc-url" in kubuntu 17.04?
[20:11] <valorie> !info orc-url
[20:46] <lorents> hi
 Hi. :)
[22:19] <user|53823> hi, which is the development version of kubuntu?
[22:19] <user|53823> (please) .. is it 17.04?
[22:22] <acheronuk> user|53823: 17.10 now
[22:26] <user|53823> i icannot upgrade from 16.04 to 17.04.... this should be from oldstable (LTS) to stable?
[22:26] <user|53823> do_release_upgrade doesnt work no more (had 15.04 before)...
[22:30] <user|53823> can someone give me a hint? (how to upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 17.04 stable?)
[22:30] <dax> !upgradeofflts
[22:30] <dax> I note that 17.04 is not LTS, so you'll need to go 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04
[22:31] <dax> or maybe not, i forget how they handle non-LTS updates these days. but either way you're now on the every-six-months track, not the every-two-years one
[22:32] <user|53823> the reason was... i wanted to get the stable thunderbird release to install the stable lightning (calendar) addon.
[22:33] <user|53823> I dont really care a lot about lts or non lts..non-lts would only be more dist-upgrade meaning to be connected to a fast wifi for all the update-packages? right?
[22:34] <dax> 16.04 and 17.04 have the same version of thunderbird.
[22:35] <user|53823> grmpf...
[22:35] <user|53823> thank you a lot anyways.. so what is then the benefit of normal updates?
[22:36] <dax> Most software doesn't get new major versions through security updates. Thunderbird (mainly because of Firefox) is an exception.
[22:37] <dax> if memory serves they only update to ESR versions of Tb and Fx though, hence it being 45 and not 52
[22:39] <user|53823> thank you. I updated again now. will find out soon how I get along with this..
[22:39] <user|53823> but I'm pretty happy of your good support to me!


[00:45] <Anonynimity> hello. I just upgraded from ubuntu 13.04 to ubuntu 13.10 and I have no launcher or gnome-indicator.
[00:45] <Anonynimity> could someone please point me to a fix for this?
[01:10] <Anonynimity> Hi. I have an issue. I upgraded from ubuntu 13.04 to ubuntu 13.10. I no longer show a network icon, sound indicator, or a system icon in the top right of my ubuntu desktop.
[04:05] <Anonynimity> Hi. Everytime I try to login to lightdm, it crashes, goes to console for about .5 seconds, then goes back to the login screen
[10:07] <lgp171188> Hi, I am running Saucy on my desktop and don't mind running trusty during its development phase and help test stuff and file bugs. So when is the time to dist-upgrade to trusty?
[14:04] <tron_> exit
[14:04] <tron_> exit
[14:04] <tron_> hi there


[01:44] <InHisName> So, jedijf, did you try out your nifty new recipie yet ?
[02:20] <Sadin> :3 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/424535_236354226461346_148916631871773_445539_1671394533_n.jpg
[02:20] <Sadin> i want one
[02:20] <Sadin> to gaurd my server when i buy it
[03:17] <MutantTurkey> no laptop for days
[03:17] <MutantTurkey> I am dying
[03:23] <MutantTurkey> :[
[03:26] <Sadin> MutantTurkey are you buying bacons server or not O.o
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> no take it
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> sorry
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> If you want it
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> you probably need it
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> I don't
[03:27] <Sadin> Well you have first dibs i would have just bought a cheaper one
[03:27] <Sadin> but alright thanks :)
[03:28] <MutantTurkey> if you have the money do it
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> I am functionally broke for a few weeks and you probably want it
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> so
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> yep
[03:29] <Sadin> MutantTurkey i dont my dad does but i need a server to get myself up and running
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> dude
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> use it
[03:29] <Sadin> and im going to ask for it as early birthday preasent cause them specs on that are insane!
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> just run a bunch of VMs on it
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> and let your dad use it otherwise.
[03:30] <Sadin> i will
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> ya know?
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> that way you can have your bit (probably wont need the whole thing) and let the rest for him
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> if you dont want it just let me know
[03:30] <Sadin> dunno if he needs it he is computer retarded
[03:30] <Sadin> but if i cn convince him to get it id be SO HAPPY
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> I mean i wouldn't use it as  a desktop....
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> okay well if you dont need it let me know
[03:30] <Sadin> i will
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> also tell him that i said you should buy it (bacon)
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> because I don't have internet all week
[03:31] <Sadin> i just learned how to program nodejs apps to split memory and load thought multiple CPS cores
[03:31] <Sadin> alright i will
[03:31] <Sadin> through*
[03:31] <Sadin> CPU* dam i cant type
[03:32] <MutantTurkey> threading
[03:32] <MutantTurkey> thats cool
[03:33] <Sadin> yeah haha it makes me smile :P
[10:08] <rmg51> Morning
[10:37] <InHisName> Morning to you too, Randy  [rmg51]
[11:53] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[12:10] <waltman> mmm, bacon
[12:12] <SamuraiAlba> How is it going?
[12:18] <rmg51> off to PACS we go
[12:28] <SamuraiAlba> I need ridage
[12:28] <SamuraiAlba> dangit
[12:52] <waltman> oh, it's PACS day?
[12:52] <teddy-dbear> yep
[12:52] <teddy-dbear> and I'm there
[12:53] <teddy-dbear> or here if you prefer
[12:53] <SamuraiAlba> I only have a 5 zone bus pass GRR
[18:41] <Traveler> Hello anybody 'home' ?
[18:43] <teddy-dbear> no
[18:44] <Traveler> only a stuffed bear answers from meeting room rather than 'home' ?
[18:45] <pleia2> you know how bears are
[18:46] <teddy-dbear> we are everywhere :-D
[21:53] <ChinnoDog> Why is LaTeX not used as the native format by word processors?
[23:16] <jedijf> hey, should everyone be running or trying slax today?
[23:35] <waltman> ChinnoDog: probably because most word processors are wysiwyg but LaTeX isn't?
[23:38] <ChinnoDog> waltman: it wouldn't prevent someone from implementing a wsiwyg word processor with a LaTeX back end. Wordperfect for DOS was not wysiwyg. You could show codes (F5?) so you could edit the format codes yourself though. The early versions of WP for Windows were both wysiwyg and allowed showing codes. In early versions of Word you could show codes. Now they hide it and it is frustrating to figure out formatting problems.
[23:39] <ChinnoDog> Figuring out why stuff isn't in the right place in Word is now a global problem. Even if you know the right way to do it you still can't produce consistent results
[23:39]  * ChinnoDog pines for Wordperfect


 I gotta go take care of a few things be back in a bit
[23:52] <linuxman410> ok


[03:47] <Work^Seony> 퇴근합니다
[17:43] <autowiz2012> 출근!!
[17:44] <autowiz2012> My Office in Seoul at 02:42 .


[03:32] <ubot5`> In #ubuntu-discuss, lotuspsychje said: !Woesb is <reply> Woeusb is a tool for preparing bootable Windows Instalation USBs. You can install the snap with: sudo snap install --edge woe-usb
[03:32] <ubot5`> In #ubuntu-discuss, lotuspsychje said: !winusb is delete please, no longer valid
[03:41] <ubot5`> In #ubuntu-discuss, lotuspsychje said: !Woeusb is <reply> Woeusb is a tool for preparing bootable Windows Instalation USBs. You can install the snap with: sudo snap install --edge woe-usb
[17:04] <ubot5`> In #ubuntu-discuss, tomreyn said: !aptitude is <reply> Like 'apt' and 'apt-get', 'aptitude' is an APT package management utility for the terminal. Unlike the others, aptitude lacks compatibility with modern APT (https://pad.lv/b/u/aptitude), so its use is now discouraged.
[17:21] <dax> ^ this is not particularly true
[17:22] <hggdh> dax: not completely, I agree. But, in general, mixing apt and aptitude is also not good
[17:22] <dax> yeah, was in the middle of elaborating
[17:22] <dax> its use is discouraged, but there aren't compatibility issues currently afaik
[17:22]  * hggdh waits
[17:23] <dax> main issues i can remember were holds and multiarch
[17:23] <dax> multiarch still looks weird but isn't incompatible any more, and i don't use holds but looking at relevant debian bugs that got cleaned up to use APT's hold system in 2015
[17:25] <dax> on the flip side, they did something to its dependency resolver a few years back and now it's basically unuseable for my (weird) use cases and i switched to just apt-* tools instead, so i guess i shouldn't care too much
[17:26] <hggdh> I remember I gave up on adtitude many years ago due to some dependency resolution problems I had. But never went back to see if it got better
[17:26] <dax> it didn't
[17:28] <dax> ubottu: no, aptitude is <reply> Like apt and apt-get, aptitude is a terminal frontend for Ubuntu's package management system. Unlike the others, it is not recommended in Ubuntu because its behavior differs significantly from other Ubuntu package management tools and can cause issues.
[17:28] <hggdh> that sounds better indeed
[17:28] <dax> seems a bit more neutral
[17:31] <hggdh> I had set it as tomreym asked, but was sort of unhappy with the result after re-reading it.
[17:31] <dax> !winusb
[17:32] <dax> hggdh: yeah, i'm a big fan of aggressively editing factoid suggestions
[17:33] <dax> ah okay, looks like this woe-usb thing is a fork of winusb
[17:35] <dax> and woe-usb has an issue about how its maintainer disappeared and maybe they should work on woeusb-ng *facepalm*
[17:38] <dax> considering: no, winusb is <reply> Ubuntu does not have a recommended tool for preparing bootable Windows installation USBs. If you need one, consider using Microsoft's media creation tool from a Windows computer (see ##windows for support). If this is not an option, there are third-party unsupported tools like WoeUSB ( https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB , sudo snap install --edge woe-usb ) that might work.
[17:38] <dax> plus some aliases
[17:40] <dax> i'm really not a fan of us recommending a --edge snap that appears to be maintained by a third party without some danger-wording around it
[17:41] <hggdh> it does not sound good
[17:42] <hggdh> but the text is good, plus an alias woeusb -> winusb
[17:42] <dax> ubottu: no, winusb is <reply> Ubuntu does not have a recommended tool for preparing bootable Windows installation USBs. If you need one, consider using Microsoft's media creation tool from a Windows computer (see ##windows for support). If this is not an option, there are third-party unsupported tools like WoeUSB ( https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB , sudo snap install --edge woe-usb ) that might work.
[17:42] <dax> ubottu: woeusb is <alias> winusb
[17:42] <dax> ubottu: woe-usb is <alias> winusb
[17:43] <dax> i'm gonna poke a ##windows op friend and see if he's seen any other suggestions, but i assume he'll say to just use the MS media creation tool
[17:43] <dax> (which imho is good advice)
[17:43] <hggdh> OTOH, there is no package for woe-usb, just the snap. There is a source package (IIRC) that you can download and build
[17:44] <hggdh> (which is what I did wehen I needed it a few months ago)
[18:21] <dax> ##windows op says basically the same as the new factoid text
[18:21] <dax> so i guess we are good to go
[18:53] <hggdh> perfect


[02:25]  * SpamapS is getting even closer to generic monitoring now.. :-D
[02:26] <SpamapS> I wonder if there is an open source real user monitoring package
[02:29] <imbrandon> yes
[02:29] <imbrandon> the one newrelic uses is open source too
[02:29] <imbrandon> they are all based on the same lib from a google employee
[04:37] <imbrandon> SpamapS: there is also jiffy and mod_pagespeed, probably the most used though is the one google analytics and newrelic use called epsiodes http://stevesouders.com/episodes2/
[06:15] <SC-RM> I have deployed maas on a server and trying to deploy new servers from this one, but all my new instances have instance-state: unknown
[06:15] <SC-RM> any ideas of where and what to look at?
[07:57] <imbrandon> all i wanted was a pepsi, just one pepsi, and she wouldent give it to me ...
[08:47] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, morning
[08:47] <jamespage> moring all!
[08:48] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: morning
[08:48] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, fancy having a stab at the solrcloud charm?  Apache just alpha'ed Lucene and Solr 4
[08:48] <jamespage> and we already have a nice zookeeper charm....
[08:49] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: sure, am already working on the existing Solr charm to add dynamic core/db hookups
[08:49] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: assign the ticket to me :)
[09:24] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, bug assigned - have fun!
[09:24] <jamespage> looks interesting
[09:24] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: cool, thanks
[09:26] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: yeah it's pretty cool being able to distribute Solr.. although they still don't do distributed idf, so you have to be careful how you distribute your documents amongst servers
[09:28] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, have you looked at solandra at all?
[09:28] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: only briefly
[09:29] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, I did a while ago
[09:29] <jamespage> but not recently
[09:29] <jamespage> it looking interesting
[09:32] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: yeah that is quite cool using the Cassandra backend
[09:32] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, the last solr deployment I did had a multi-master configuration across data centres
[09:33] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: that is pretty impressive!
[09:33] <jamespage> we ended up using reliable message queues to ensure consistency between active site application and both masters
[09:33] <jamespage> but it was complex
[09:34] <jamespage> I think solrcloud and solandra both solve that issue more effectively..
[09:34] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: yeah, sounds like it would
[09:52] <freeflying> does Juju support use specific instance when deploy a charm
[10:21] <jamespage> freeflying, specific instance or specific instance type?
[10:22] <freeflying> jamespage: instance type I meant, sorry
[10:22] <jamespage> freeflying, in which case the answer is yes
[10:22]  * jamespage digs 'contraints' documentation out
[10:23] <jamespage> freeflying, take a look here - https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/constraints.html
[10:23] <freeflying> jamespage: saying I want deply hadoop, can I have master deployed with one type, and slave with another type instance?
[10:24] <jamespage> freeflying, yep - take a look at http://markmims.com/cloud/2012/06/04/juju-at-scale.html
[10:24] <jamespage> this is some testing we did with hadoop + juju at scale
[10:24] <jamespage> the master is deployed on m1.large and the slaves on m1.mediums
[10:25] <freeflying> jamespage: yup, just get there, very nice, thanks
[10:25] <jamespage> freeflying, note that we have a few 'hadoop' charms in the charm store ATM
[10:25] <jamespage> use 'hadoop' rather than any of the others - there is a bug outstanding to get that resolved.
[10:25] <jamespage> freeflying, and pester me if you have any issue - I wrote it :-)
[10:26] <freeflying> jamespage: very neat :)
[10:27] <jamespage> freeflying, I need to write an in-depth blog post on using the hadoop charm - the README has quite a bit of info
[10:28] <jamespage> http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/hadoop
[10:28] <jamespage> it has lots of deployment topologies...
[10:28] <freeflying> jamespage: at first glance, its a complex charm :)
[10:29] <jamespage> freeflying, its certainly more complex than some
[10:29] <jamespage> it uses a late binding technique to decide what role a service is playing as its related to other deployments of the hadoop service
[10:30] <freeflying> jamespage: but for many devops, they don;t need dig into the charm itself, just use it, get their workload fullfilled
[10:30] <jamespage> freeflying, +1 to that
[10:30] <freeflying> jamespage: thats the magic of juju :)
[10:30] <jamespage> absolutely
[10:31] <imbrandon> freeflying: wow, long time since I've seen your face round , how ya been :)
[10:31] <imbrandon> heya jamespage
[10:31] <jamespage> imbrandon, hey - just looking at you nginx charm
[10:31] <freeflying> imbrandon: doing pretty well, how about you
[10:32] <imbrandon> jamespage: ahh its ummmm, functional , still many rough edges but i wanted to get others eyes on it
[10:32] <imbrandon> :)
[10:32] <imbrandon> freeflying: good good, more juju than kde these days :)
[10:33] <freeflying> imbrandon: yep, some of the irc logs tells that obviously
[10:34]  * imbrandon is actualy writing a proof-of-concept jitsu replacemnt/arch rewrite , heheh dunno how its gonna fly tho
[10:34] <freeflying> imbrandon: it sounds cool
[10:35] <imbrandon> gonna run it by SpamapS and maybe jamespage this morning and see what they think
[10:35] <imbrandon> :)
[11:18] <imbrandon> mmmm lp:~imbrandon/+junk/pepsi
[11:19] <imbrandon> fooooood time , afk
[11:38] <jamespage> imbrandon, what is the container scoped website relation for in the nginx charm?
[12:44] <jml> Is there a way I can get a postgresql service to give me a db & creds without a charm that relates to it?
[12:44] <jml> Just wondering if I can spin one up to poke at while I'm figuring some things out
[14:16] <hazmat> jamespage, there's  a juju-jitsu deploy-to
[14:17] <hazmat> oh..
[14:18] <hazmat> jamespage, solandra is dead, its folded into datastax enteprise along with brisk
[14:27] <jamespage> hazmat, thought it might be
[15:00] <SpamapS> jml: you want to run the relation hook without an actual relation?
[15:00] <jml> SpamapS: pretty much, yes.
[15:00] <SpamapS> jml: you could deploy a subordinate to the pgsql box .. pgclient or something like that
[15:00] <jml> Hmm.
[15:00] <SpamapS> jml: seems a bit silly tho.. why not just deploy a dummy charm and simulate w/ debug-hooks?
[15:01] <jml> SpamapS: "just"
[15:01] <SpamapS> charm create dummy
[15:01] <SpamapS> add relation
[15:01] <SpamapS> deploy, debug-hooks
[15:01] <jml> SpamapS: I ended up installing postgresql server on my laptop
[15:02] <jml> SpamapS: there's a bunch of stuff on my laptop that would be tedious to move over to a new juju instance
[15:05] <SpamapS> jml: bind mount in the LXC might help.. right?
[15:08] <jml> SpamapS: yeah.
[15:10] <jml> SpamapS: although my original motivation was convenience (hey, juju makes it easy for me to set up a throw-away postgres db, right?). as is, it's turned out to be less convenient.
[15:10] <jml> SpamapS: which isn't such a big deal. it's probably just not the right tool for the job.
[15:14] <SpamapS> why did it turn out to be less convenient?
[15:15] <SpamapS> jml: was it just less convenient because you couldn't type 'sudo su postgres' to become the admin?
[15:16] <jml> 'sagi -y postgresql; sudo -u postgres createuser -s -d jml; sudo -u postgres createdb -O jml udd'
[15:16] <SpamapS> jml: because 'juju ssh postgres/0 -t sudo su - postgres' is about the same :)
[15:16] <SpamapS> jml: indeed, that is easier if you don't mind having it native and such
[15:17] <jml> SpamapS: right. I don't mind having it native. I'd prefer not to, but I can live with it. I certainly prefer it to having the *client* machine being another instance, which involves all sorts of tedious copying of source and data files.
[15:17] <jml> or worse, remote editing
[15:18] <SpamapS> right forget the client being a juju box..
[15:19] <SpamapS> jml: I think just deploying, and running the same sudo stuff via juju ssh is fine
[16:39] <hazmat> jml, you can invoke a relation hook in a non relation hook context, but outside of any hook context?
[16:40] <hazmat> oh.. you want the data
[22:43] <SpamapS> hrm.. config-get seems to have no way to print out an empty string properly
[22:43] <SpamapS> if I specify a single value that is an empty string it should just print the string of bytes, not ''


[02:45] <mwhudson> ok pop quiz time what is going on here https://launchpadlibrarian.net/448056138/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.python-gevent_1.3.7-1build2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[02:53] <Unit193> Looks like a build failure.
[02:55] <mwhudson> +1 insightful
[03:07] <Unit193> That looks fun, same file is in python3-greenlet-dbg and python3-greenlet.
[03:08] <Unit193> Specifically if you look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/447991806/python-greenlet_0.4.15-2_0.4.15-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[03:08] <Unit193> See why that'd be bad? :P
[03:12] <mwhudson> oh yay
[03:12] <mwhudson> thanks for chasing :)
[03:16] <Unit193> Sure.  I guess I can't just make a sarcastic comment. :3
[07:23] <mitya57> sil2100: hi, can you add focal support to bileto please?
[07:52] <sil2100> mitya57: ah! Yes, let me bump the cache
[07:55] <sil2100> mitya57: should be enabled in up to 30 minutes
[08:47] <mitya57> sil2100: it works now, thanks a lot!
[08:48] <LocutusOfBorg> Eickmeyer, hello, how can somebody sponsor a fix for LP: #1849168 if 1) there is no indication about which series are affected 2) there is no patch to sponsor ?
[08:49] <sil2100> yw!
[09:01] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, Unit193 do I have greenlet greenlight to upload a fix for it?
[09:01] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, ^^
[09:02] <Unit193> I just pointed out what went wrong.
[09:03] <LocutusOfBorg> yes sure bug greenhighlighting you doesn't hurt!
[09:04] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: i'm all for fixing it, i guess doko can always reject it from the queue if he doesn't like it :)
[09:04] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, I think I already crafted a fix
[09:20] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/10667371/+listing-archive-extra
[09:20] <LocutusOfBorg> if you agree
[09:20] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: lgtm
[09:21] <LocutusOfBorg> still have to debdiff debs
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> feel free to upload if you like it, or I can do it and credit you :)
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm also going to update the debian bug report
[09:42] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, ping :) I have to replace keyboard and reboot laptop... please let me know if you want me to do it or not
[09:44] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: eh just update it, getting late here
[09:44] <mwhudson> *upload
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks :D
[09:44] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: sorry if i was being ambiguous earlier
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I "just" woke up :D
[10:35] <cgm____> Hi all, is there somewhere I can find the commands used to build the official Ubuntu netboot ISOs? Specifically the xorriso arguments
[11:18] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: o/
[11:18] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: Josh suggested I ask you to arrange a seed change so you can get familiar
[11:18] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: morning o/
[11:18] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: awesome, I read the docs already
[11:18] <rbasak> Great! I want to get mysql-router seeded in Focal
[11:18] <rafaeldtinoco> alright, let me go through it
[11:18] <rafaeldtinoco> and ask you whenever I have questions
[11:19] <rbasak> Actually, I should tell you what I really need, rather than presuppose a solution
[11:19] <rbasak> What I need is mysql-router in main in Focal :)
[11:20] <rafaeldtinoco> yep I thought it was that #)
[11:20] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: do u have a MIR already ?
[11:21] <rbasak> src:mysql-8.0 is in main already, and mysql-router is built from that
[11:21] <rbasak> That's the closest we have to an approved MIR
[11:22] <rafaeldtinoco> alright
[11:26] <rbasak> cpaelzer: thank you for the uvtool reviews. I'm working on your emulation branch next.
[11:26] <rbasak> I have a rebased/squashed version locally.
[12:30] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: you reported a FTBFS on disco
[12:30] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: I wonder what might have changed as the last build worked
[12:30] <cpaelzer> and that was an SRU, there surely was no full bump of gcc in Disco since then
[12:31] <cpaelzer> did you check what the reason whas that this now triggers?
[12:31] <cpaelzer> or is that a local build, and not one in a "normal" build environment?
[12:32] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: it was a local build indeed
[12:32] <cpaelzer> then chances are this is "not-a-bug" (in disco)
[12:32] <rafaeldtinoco> it can be related to an enabled (in my env) Werror of somesort
[12:32] <cpaelzer> yes
[12:32] <cpaelzer> you remember that if .ig tthen switch on developer mode thing
[12:32] <cpaelzer> .git
[12:32] <rafaeldtinoco> I noticed also that DEB_HOST_XXX variables are not set
[12:33] <rafaeldtinoco> so it only works with dpkg-buildpackage basically
[12:33] <rafaeldtinoco> i tried manually dh build, debian/rules build
[12:33] <rafaeldtinoco> and always got errors
[12:33] <rafaeldtinoco> and yes, there are chances of a false alarm
[12:33] <rafaeldtinoco> sorry if that is
[12:33] <rafaeldtinoco> i was more focused in the backport
[12:34] <rafaeldtinoco> didnt think about being my build env, yes
[12:34] <rafaeldtinoco> (or my build environment is broken, dont tell me that pls)
[12:36] <cpaelzer> manual dh_... always calls for issues
[12:37] <cpaelzer> build in sbuild, if it fails you can login, if it doesn't \o/ and it will always be clean made fresh for you
[12:37] <cpaelzer> (if you have/want to build local)
[12:39] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: I have thrown it into a PPA, if it doesn't fail I'll mark it won't fix
[12:39] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, will do. thx and sorry if its just a noise
[12:50] <cpaelzer> np rafaeldtinoco, I created enough nose with my quad-haproxy MPs going back and forther through two force pushes
[12:50] <cpaelzer> so I flooded all your inboxes, we are even I guess :-)
[12:51]  * rafaeldtinoco looks at thunderbird and thx proper filters
[12:51] <cpaelzer> if paelzer then ->trash ?
[12:51] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: it also has "conversation" extension, showing only 1 mail per thread for me
[12:51] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[12:52] <rafaeldtinoco> and diff syntax highlight and compare extension
[12:52] <rafaeldtinoco> thunderbird is pretty neat nowadays #)
[12:52] <cpaelzer> isn't grouping threads the default everywhere these days?
[12:52] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: yes, but not showing single lines per subject
[12:52] <rafaeldtinoco> w/ no threads at all
[12:53] <rafaeldtinoco> like google does
[12:53] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: btw, i was checking qemu-arm folder
[12:53] <rafaeldtinoco> there wasn't a closure on the barrier subject, right ?
[12:53] <cpaelzer> not yet
[12:53] <cpaelzer> stuck on upstream discussion
[12:53] <cpaelzer> I haven't seen a major breakthrough
[12:53] <rafaeldtinoco> my assumption is that marvell is still investigating
[12:53] <cpaelzer> the last active participant was Jan Glauber IIRC
[12:53] <rafaeldtinoco> why the data alignment caused mitigation (or not)
[12:54] <rafaeldtinoco> (changing u32int -> u64int and so)
[12:54] <cpaelzer> I had that on my radar as "waiting on upstream / waiting on partner" or is/was there pressure on you to go haead?
[12:54] <rafaeldtinoco> no pressure, just missed the discussion
[12:55] <rafaeldtinoco> i re-thought "maybe some conclusion happened and Im not aware of "
[12:55] <rafaeldtinoco> lol
[12:55] <rafaeldtinoco> but reading last emails, all I can see is that memory alignment changes behavior (likely because of cache alignment and cpu <-> coherency)
[12:55] <cpaelzer> yep, they invalidate separately then
[12:55] <rafaeldtinoco> causing more overhead for the HW sync (or less overhead) and making it more or less frequently
[12:55] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[12:55] <cpaelzer> but that is not "a solution"
[12:55] <rafaeldtinoco> exactly
[12:56] <rafaeldtinoco> ok, my understanding is right then
[12:56] <rafaeldtinoco> thx
[12:56] <cpaelzer> yw
[13:06] <cpaelzer> doko: you asked for python-tornado yesterday as it triggers issues with python 3.8 rebuilds
[13:06] <cpaelzer> I think it is important to see that there is a newer 6.x but that was turned back to allow dependencies to follow
[13:06] <cpaelzer> never the less look at the changelog https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/p/python-tornado/python-tornado_6.0.3+really5.1.1-1_changelog
[13:07] <cpaelzer> good old mwhudson has a change that sounds rather related "Bump ASYNC_TEST_TIMEOUT when running the autopkgtests as well"
[13:08] <cpaelzer> or do we have that already ...
[13:09] <cpaelzer> oh yeah, :-/ our Delta has that already
[13:09] <cpaelzer> grml, I thought this might be easy ...
[13:09] <Eickmeyer> LocutusOfBorg: 1) It's tagged eoan, and 2) Doesn't really need sponsorship as I have PPU on the package. Just needs the green light.
[13:12] <cpaelzer> coreycb: he pinged you as well, please tell me that you have looked more at it and know what it is :-)
[13:12] <coreycb> cpaelzer: hey sorry I've not had a chance to look yet
[13:13] <coreycb> cpaelzer: let me wrap a few things up and look
[13:15] <cpaelzer> sure, thanks for looking as well then
[13:15] <cpaelzer> if you also don't see what might be going on let me know, then we can bang our head against the wall together
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg> Eickmeyer, this is not usually how SRU are done
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg> 1) you have to first fix focal
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> 2) you have to correctly use "target to series"
[13:24] <Eickmeyer> LocutusOfBorg: Upload is in queue for focal.
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> ok so please wait for it to migrate before uploading to eoan
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> [Regression Potential]
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg>  * None, simply adds a build dependency and patch to existing package
[13:24] <Eickmeyer> Ok. I don't have the ability to target to series.
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> meh, adding a new dependency has a lot of side effects
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. enables code that wasn't built, changes behaviour and so on
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> you might change this to "the current package is completely broken", adding the dependency makes it less sucky
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> if this is true
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> or try to see what changes in the build system in case the dependency is found
[13:26] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I tried a few local build (maybe that helps you to find the right start): 6.0.3@unstable (worked), 5.1.1@eoan (worked), 5.1.1@focal (the reported timeouts), 5.1.1@focal-proposed (the reported timeouts), 6.0.3@focal-proposed (dependency issues)
[13:28] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. you could change it with something like "adding libsndfile enable the detection of various new plugins, otherwise unsupported, with the HAVE_SNDFILE preprocessor directive
[13:28] <Eickmeyer> LocutusOfBorg: Unfortunately, that's not the case. It simply allows certain synthesizer plugins to actually make sound, which they weren't before.
[13:28] <LocutusOfBorg> this list includes: aif aifc aiff au bwf flac htk iff mat4 mat5 oga ogg paf pvf pvf5 sd2 sf snd svx vcc w64 wav xi
[13:30] <LocutusOfBorg> Eickmeyer, in any case, please try to be more verbose on the regression potential task, because it makes easier for release team to ack/nack the change
[13:30] <LocutusOfBorg> in any case, LGTM
[13:30] <Eickmeyer> LocutusOfBorg: Thanks.
[13:37] <cpaelzer> coreycb: but since doko disabled the tests to be gating yo'll have to switch these back if you want to break on them
[13:37] <cpaelzer> they are always triggered, just no more making the build fail
[14:18] <rbasak> cpaelzer: when you have a couple of minutes, I'd like to chat about next steps for your armhf emulation branch please. More a process for adjustments since I'm juggling branches. Discussion of the technical details we can discuss in the MP.
[14:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: is the standup hangout ok ?
[14:19] <rbasak> Sure
[14:22] <cpaelzer> coreycb: in a failing build env you can switch between good/bad behavior by switching /usr/bin/python3 between 3.7 and 3.8
[14:22] <rbasak> cpaelzer: you mean now or at standup time?
[14:22] <coreycb> cpaelzer: ok thanks. sorry working on charm release as well.
[14:22] <coreycb> cpaelzer: just starting to dig in
[14:23] <cpaelzer> coreycb: no problem, I just though I kept you posted on how far I get working a bit on it in background
[14:23] <cpaelzer> coreycb: to allow you a head start later on
[14:23] <cpaelzer> If I find the time to do more I'll ping yu again
[14:36] <tseliot> tjaalton, hi, I have updated nvidia 430 and 435 for this SRU. The nvidia-settings package is not ready yet, unfortunately
[14:36] <tseliot> tjaalton, but I think I'll hold that off until the next nvidia update
[14:40] <tjaalton> tseliot: was this a request to review them? :)
[14:41] <tseliot> tjaalton, yes please, also, since you asked me about the SRU the other day
[14:42] <tjaalton> right
[14:42] <tjaalton> 435 is in new, also the previous upload
[14:45] <tseliot> tjaalton, oh, so that was never approved
[14:46] <tjaalton> or looked at
[14:46] <tseliot> :/
[14:46] <tseliot> vorlon, ^^
[14:47] <tjaalton> actually
[14:47] <tjaalton> I was able to ack it from the new queue, the old one
[14:47] <tjaalton> now it should show a diff for the new upload :P
[14:49] <tseliot> good, thanks
[15:13] <blackboxsw> hi folks: probably a newbie schroot issue... I'm trying to share a directory into my schroot for collecting and sharing data after I destroy/clean the chroot for post-processing during an SRU test.   From `schroot --config` I can see my chroot base directory from the host and I `sudo mkdir ./host-data/subdir  $CHROOT_DIR/data; sudo mount -o bind ./host-data  $CHROOT_DIR/data; schroot -c <my-schroot> -- ls
[15:13] <blackboxsw> /data`
[15:14] <blackboxsw> The issue ^ is that I don't see the "subdir" from within the chroot's "/data" and any files i write there are also not persisted outside on the hostfs/host-data dir
[15:31] <vorlon> tseliot: sorry, I can't tell from context what the request is
[15:35] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, did you try the newer vbox for audio issues?
[15:35] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1840749
[15:35] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe my prod to upstream worked
[15:44] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: I didn't yet as  6.0.12 was failing hard
[15:44] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: is there a newer one or a rebuild of 6.0.12 that is worth trying?
[15:51] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I have tested the uvtool branch, found two needs for fixups but now it is good
[15:51] <cpaelzer> rbasak: https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/uvtool/+git/uvtool/+merge/367641 contains what you need
[15:51] <cpaelzer> it is your branch + the two fixups
[15:51] <cpaelzer> That I think you can merge now
[15:51] <cpaelzer> test results in the MP
[15:51] <ahasenack> Laney: hi, is there a way to get the logs for the arm64 test that says "always failed" in this bileto ticket? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/3830/trusty.html
[15:51] <ahasenack> it's not showing up in /running
[15:52] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: I see 6.0.14 I'll give it a try after dinner
[15:55] <Laney> ahasenack: "(always failed)" there means that there's no previous passes so it can't be a regression no matter what this run results in: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/ubuntu-advantage-tools
[15:55] <ahasenack> Laney: but is there a current result?
[15:56] <Laney> I dunno, britney should show that if there is
[15:56] <ahasenack> maybe I should trigger it again, then the previous run will be this current one, and then it can show me something?
[15:57] <ahasenack> switched the lander signoff to failed and back to approved
[15:57] <Laney> how long has it been since it ran?
[15:57] <ahasenack> Laney: I queued it at 14:51utc
[15:57] <Laney> from the timestamp in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I'm thinkning you should be a little bit more patient
[15:57] <ahasenack> when it actually started I don't know
[15:58] <ahasenack> ok
[15:59] <Laney> you can do some URL hacks though
[15:59] <Laney> e.g. https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-trusty-ci-train-ppa-service-3830/?format=plain&prefix=trusty/
[15:59] <Laney> leads you to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:59] <ahasenack> so arm64 is done and green
[16:00] <Laney> looks like it
[16:00] <Laney> but proposed-migration will get that next time
[16:02] <ahasenack> ok, thanks
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, TBH there is also a 5.2.34 in unapproved queue
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/%7Ecostamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+delete-packages
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg> or here
[16:11] <blackboxsw> ok, figured out the schroot bind mount problem  on my end. I was using mk-sbuild to create the schroot which sources /etc/schroot/sbuild/fstab config to setup mounts within the schroot instead of the typical /etc/schroot/default/fstab. Adding proper bind mount fstab declarations in /etc/schroot/sbuild/fstab got me the proper bind mounted /data dir in the sbuild-created schroot.
[16:20] <doko> #if !defined(X86) && !defined(X86_64)
[16:20] <doko> #   if defined(__x86_64__) || defined(__x86_64)
[16:20] <doko> #       define X86_64
[16:20] <doko> #   elif defined(__i386__) || defined(__i386) || defined(_M_I86) || defined(_M_IX86)
[16:20] <doko> #       define I386
[16:20] <doko> #   else
[16:20] <doko> #       error Unrecognized architecture!
[16:20] <doko> #   endif
[16:20] <doko> #endif
[16:20] <doko> so 2019 ...
[16:28] <xnox> followed by inefficient assembly ?
[17:55] <coreycb> cpaelzer: python-tornado 6.0.3-1 package runs py38 tests successfully on focal without the missing dependency python-sphinxcontrib.asyncio. I'll check with Julien to see if he knows if that package is in the works.
[17:59] <coreycb> doko: are there any plans for backporting python 3.8 to bionic?
[18:14] <doko> coreycb: yes, see #1835737. but the interpreter only. and I'm currently busy with the archive opening
[18:14] <doko> jamespage also asked for it
[18:20] <coreycb> doko: thanks in advance, that'll be very helpful. he'd mentioned it briefly. and no rush.
[18:23] <kyrofa> Hey folks, quick question about rmadison: if it says "bionic/universe" it's pretty obvious that's in universe. Can someone confirm that if it just says "bionic" that means it's main? Any other component will be <repo>/<component>?
[18:56] <infinity> kyrofa: Indeed, no component is main, all others will list one.  See, eg: nvidia-driver-430 in focal/restricted.
[18:57] <infinity> kyrofa: This mirrors what you find in "Section" in the Packages headers (ie: apt-cache show $foo | grep ^Section), where main just shows the section, and others show component/section.
[18:58] <infinity> I've been tempted to change rmadison to be explicit about main (not the first time this has been asked :P), but I'm pretty sure that would break any number of home-grown scripts I don't know about, so best not to.
[19:00] <infinity> kyrofa: Arguably, this makes a lot more sense in Debian, where "main" is "basically everything" and "contrib" and "non-free" are "some bits we don't really care about because ew, licenses". :P
[19:01] <infinity> But we use the same tools, and I don't think it occurred to any of us that the presentation should be different for Ubuntu until it was too late to change it.
[19:03] <kyrofa> infinity, makes total sense, thank you!
[20:56] <mwhudson> xnox, doko: so um, it turns out numpy builds have been ignoring test suite results for years, both in debian and ubuntu :/
[20:56] <doko> \o/
[20:57] <mwhudson> i guess it's reportbug -B debian time
[20:57] <mwhudson> after coffee and meeting
[20:57] <doko> please both numpy and python-numpy
[20:58] <mwhudson> ah yeah
[20:58] <doko> python-numpy (1:1.9.2~rc1-1) experimental; urgency=medium
[20:59] <doko>   * debian/rules
[20:59] <doko>     - don't ignore failures when running unittests; Closes: #721100
[21:02] <mwhudson> well
[21:04] <mwhudson> let's say i'm not convinced that is true
[22:24] <xnox> mwhudson:  yes, but this one is very bad =)
[22:24] <mwhudson> xnox: indeed
[22:25] <xnox> mwhudson:  as in there clearly is s390x regression there. I did open a bug about it.
[22:25] <xnox> mwhudson:  you find it, right?
[22:25] <mwhudson> xnox: yes
[22:25] <xnox> cool
[22:25] <xnox> that's all there is for now =)
[22:25] <mwhudson> well the report yes, bug no
[22:26] <mwhudson>     x2 = np.array([0.0, 1.0, 2.0], ndmin=2)
[22:26] <mwhudson> E   ValueError: ndmin bigger than allowable number of dimensions NPY_MAXDIMS (=32)
[22:26] <mwhudson> uhuh
[22:27] <mwhudson> at least if it's that simple to reproduce it shouldn't be too hard to diagnose, surely
[22:32] <xnox> yes
[22:32] <xnox> clearly 2 is miss-endianed
[22:32] <xnox> or something else inside
[22:33] <xnox> git bisect would be nice here
[22:41] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, how is the bootstrap going? looks like idle?
[22:42] <mwhudson> oh
[22:42] <mwhudson> -    int ndmin = 0, nd;
[22:42] <mwhudson> +    int nd;
[22:42] <mwhudson> +    npy_intp ndmin = 0;
[22:42] <mwhudson> i presume npy_intp is going to turn out to not be an int
[22:43] <mwhudson> we can pass a long pointer to something expecting an int* right? it'll be fiiiine
[22:43] <sarnold> "oh that compiler warning doesn't mean anything go ahead and ignore that"
[22:44] <mwhudson> well luckily this is all passed to a variadic function
[22:44] <mwhudson> so no pesky compiler warnings at all!!
[22:46] <sarnold> ooh clever way to Improve Development Velocity!
[22:48] <mwhudson> yeah npy_intp ends up being intptr_t
[22:49] <mwhudson> hey hey guess what the offending commit message is!
[22:49] <mwhudson> "MAINT: Minor fixes and cleanups"
[22:52] <sarnold> well discovered :)
[23:08] <mwhudson> upstream bug https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/14767
[23:15] <mwhudson> testing patch in my ppa now