[00:56] <Quen> I'm having issues getting my system to properly mount my CD drive when I put something in it, which screws up ripping the tracks with k3b; any fixes?
[01:38] <eshack> lovely flashplugin issues, any help out there for such a person??
[01:40] <eshack> I did a few updates on my kids computer, and now their flash doesn't work.  Seems that installing adobe-flashplugin is hanging at 81%, I think flashplugin was used before
[01:41] <eshack> ohh, wait, it just went to 100%, and apparently is installed, going to check
[01:43] <eshack> ohhh, nevermind, I'm a moron, I was checking the wrong page for the flashplayer, it is working
[02:26] <sithlord48> does anyone here know how to install the raring-preinstall-kubuntu-active on the nexus 7? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/20130227/
[02:47] <apachelogger> sithlord48: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7
[02:48] <sithlord48> apachelogger:  thats specificly for ubuntu install tool but i think i figured it out by compairing the images i think i just need to flash the img.gz to my userdata .
[02:50] <apachelogger> you can use the same tool
[02:51] <sithlord48> ah well that i didn't try
[02:52] <sithlord48> im just doing it manually via fastboot hopefully this works somewhat correct. i had tried to install the ubuntu image then replace unity w/ plasma active , but i lost touch under active .
[02:56] <apachelogger> sithlord48: touch is broken right now
[02:56] <apachelogger> or at least that's what I have been told
[02:57] <sithlord48> i have not tried the preinstall active image. guess ill see when it finishes flashing..
[03:50] <roasted> Question - I'm running an auto hide panel with the icon only task manager. Every time I get an IM, the panel appears, which I don't want since I have the notification menu simultaneously notifying me that Kopete needs attention. Is there a way to turn off the fact that my auto hide panel appears upon each instance the app requests attention?
[04:29] <lean21> hello
[04:30] <lean21> #anco
[04:46] <sasha23> someone willing to help
[04:46] <sasha23> ?
[05:38] <ashwin> How can i change my home folder to a hard disk drive?
[05:47] <novaisabadcat> I'm not sure what happened yesterday...sort of had a bad linux day I guess.  I updated KDE 4.10.1, and fooled around with Wine a little before eventually removing it again.  But the system started to hang later on while using Deluge.  I was forced to hit reset.  Now to the actual symptoms...The system boots up and shows the grub menu, whereas it didn't show it before (not alot to show really).  The other issue I see is
[05:47] <novaisabadcat>  the status bar on Deluge will not reflect the changes to bandwidth limits when I change them from the statusbar, which was working fine earlier in the day.  Does anyone know what I can do to try to troubleshoot this?
[05:53] <novaisabadcat> I'm tempted to give fsck a try, but I've never used it...is it fairly automated like chkdsk?
[07:01] <jman074> so when  i try to back up my system the only thing selected is my home folder is that good enough to recover if something happens
[07:04] <lordievader> jman074: Depends, if user-config is enough for you. A lot of sys-config is in /etc (and some in /usr/share, but most in /etc)
[07:06] <jman074> im so confused right now
[07:07] <jman074> if something happens will it rostore my sys to at least the factory default
[07:09] <lordievader> jman074: What do you mean with factory default?
[07:11] <jman074> i have ubuntu 11.10 someone told me its only supported till april. so i  want to upgrade to 12.10. before i do i want to back the sys up so that if it messes up i can at least boot my comp back up
[07:13] <lordievader> jman074: That was me ;) The way I set up my systems is with a seperate /home partition. That way I can simply reinstall my system without losing user-data or user-settings. Unfortunatly I do loose system-settings...
[07:15] <jman074> im new to ubuntu i use to use windows and i am accustomed to the comp  doing most of the work lol
[07:15] <jman074> just a little confused
[07:18] <lordievader> jman074: For me backing up the home-dir is enough.
[07:19] <jman074> what about sys files
[07:20] <jman074> i mean file system
[07:20] <lordievader> jman074: Your kubuntu install?
[07:20] <lordievader> jman074: Have a live-cd at hand, you can allways reinstall.
[07:21] <jman074> i have an external hard drive im using its kinda hard to get cds where i am
[07:22] <lordievader> jman074: live-usb works too. More common nowadays, live-usb
[07:23] <jman074> now that its backed up when i typed sudo dorelease upgrade it says no new release
[07:26] <lordievader> Hey apie :)
[07:27] <jman074> lord what you think
[07:27] <apie1> hey
[07:27] <lordievader> jman074: Ab3L has a good suggestion, backup the list of installed packages. Ask him how to do so.
[07:28] <lordievader> jman074: You might try with: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[07:28] <jman074> its already backed up  thanks
[07:29] <Ab3L> i'm just looking for that backup list (i don't remember well, because i do it only once or twice per year)
[07:29] <jman074> i just backed up the entire system
[07:30] <lordievader> jman074: Could you paste bin the output of "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[07:30] <jman074> okay confused once again
[07:31] <jman074> you got to break it down barny style for me
[07:32] <lordievader> jman074: Copy the output of that command to paste.ubuntu.com (<- website) upload it and give me the link ;) Sorry I allways make wrong assumptions...
[07:34] <jman074> bash: cat/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades: No such file or directory
[07:35] <lordievader> jman074: There is a space between cat and /etc
[07:35] <jman074> oops
[07:35] <lordievader> jman074: ;)
[07:36] <jman074> cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:36] <jman074> # Default behavior for the release upgrader.
[07:36] <jman074> [DEFAULT]
[07:36] <jman074> # Default prompting behavior, valid options:
[07:36] <jman074> #
[07:36] <jman074> #  never  - Never check for a new release.
[07:36] <FloodBotK1> jman074: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:37] <jman074> sorry
[07:38] <lordievader> jman074: That is why we have paste.ubuntu.com
[07:38] <lordievader> !paste |jm
[07:38] <lordievader> !paste | jman074
[07:39] <jman074> okay its pasted
[07:39] <lordievader> jman074: And now give me the link :)
[07:40] <jman074> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5595301/
[07:41] <lordievader> jman074: Editing this file might help too... in a terminal run: kdesudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:41] <lordievader> jman074: And then change "Prompt=never" to "Prompt=normal"
[07:43] <jman074> i have to install kdesudo it says
[07:43] <lordievader> jman074: Wait...
[07:43] <lordievader> jman074: Was it kdesu in 11.10? Try that: kdesu kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:45] <jman074> command not found
[07:46] <lordievader> jman074: Meh, sudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (note: sudo is not preferred for kde applications, kdesudo is preferred...)
[07:50] <jman074> its not found
[07:50] <jman074> errrr
[07:52] <lordievader> jman074: It does exist, you just paste-binned it. /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (use auto-complete (tab) if you type it yourself, or just copy the command)
[07:53] <jman074> i copied the command
[07:53] <lordievader> Perhaps I made a typo...
[07:54] <joe_____> hi wixer
[07:54] <lordievader> jman074: What is not found btw? The release-upgrades file right, or some command?
[07:55] <jman074> commmand
[07:55] <jman074> it says sudo: kate: command not found
[07:56] <lordievader> jman074: Did you type it with the ':'?
[07:57] <jman074> sudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:57] <jman074> thats what i typed
[07:59] <lordievader> jman074: Well that ain't good.... you are on a Kubuntu system right?
[07:59] <jman074> i think i am
[08:00] <jman074> i have ubuntu 11.10
[08:01] <lordievader> jman074: Do you get a location if you run: "whereis kate"
[08:01] <jman074> it just says kate:
[08:02] <lordievader> jman074: Ok so you don't have kate, is there a location with: whereis sudo ?
[08:03] <jman074> yes i have a location
[08:03] <lordievader> jman074: Just another, I'm curious: whereis gedit
[08:04] <jman074> roger
[08:04] <jman074> got it
[08:05] <lordievader> jman074: That does get you a location?
[08:05] <jman074> yep
[08:06] <lordievader> jman074: Ok, so you probably don't have the awesome Kubuntu installed, but Ubuntu. I recommend installing Kubuntu, but I'm biased. Anyhow to edit the file it becomes: gksudo gedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[08:06] <jdf80> just installed kubuntu. havent used kde in a while. i notice when i maximize window the decoration border gets smaller. is there anyway to fix that?
[08:09] <Bradley24> i upgraded to kubuntu 12.10, from 12.04, but something is wrong. i have two login names that are the same, and whenever i try to start rekonq vlc starts up instead.  the menubars of all the programs are gone, and i cant make them show up.. i have a lot of stuff on my home file. more than i can save on disks, and my storage drive was stolen (it will take a while to have the funds to buy  another. it seems i am not smart enough to figure out how to use a
[08:09] <Bradley24> cable to transfer the home file to another computer (we dont have wifi). if i reinstall kubuntu using an install disk, but do not have the home partition marked as "format partition", will it erase the data on the home file?
[08:09] <jman074> okay lord  another screen popped up at the bottom it said prompt never i changed to normal and click save
[08:09] <jman074> what next
[08:10] <lordievader> jman074: Run the "sudo do-release-upgrade" again (-d shouldn't be needed). This should give you the upgrade this time.
[08:12] <jman074> thankx
[08:12] <lordievader> jman074: It runs the upgrade?
[08:14] <lordievader> jman074: *Adverstising for Kubuntu* if you get sick of Unity (Ubuntu's new interface) install the kubuntu-desktop package. You'll be glad to have something better :P
[08:14] <jman074> checking
[08:14] <jman074> for
[08:14] <jman074> ubuntu
[08:14] <jman074> lol
[08:16] <jman074> brb ill let you know the progress
[08:18] <lordievader> Bradley24: If you format /home, everything that was on /home before will be gone.
[08:18] <Ab3L> Bradley24: if you don't format the /home directory (and if the /home directory is in a separated partition - different from / -) you shouldn't loose data
[08:18] <lordievader> ^ Great thing about having a seperate /home :)
[08:19] <jman074> everything i want is on external
[08:19] <Bradley24> keen. thank you.
[08:20] <Bradley24> lordievader: thanks. i have /home as a separate partition, and was a bit worried.
[08:20] <lordievader> I wrote a script who backs-up stuff to my server. Quite usefull, one of those things you set up and can forget about it. Should audit the backups more often though.
[08:20] <Bradley24> Ab3L: thanks.
[08:21] <lordievader> Bradley24: It is allways a good idea to backup before installing a OS, but as long as you do not format /home it should be fine.
[08:23] <Ab3L> Bradley24: by the way, if you have separate /home, and you don't format it, there a remote and almost null probability that kde may feel some issue because of the old configuration files. if it happends, i think you can just delete them (those are files which  are in folders with name  that starts with a point, like ".local") . but in that case ask again-
[08:23] <Bradley24> lordievader: thank you for help. considering the circumstances, i will accept the risk.
[08:24] <lordievader> Is a large usb-stick an idea?
[08:24] <Bradley24> Ab3L: good idea. i know just enough about kde to be dangerous, but i am learning quite a bit. thank you for that.
[08:24] <Bradley24> have a good night all.
[08:26] <lordievader> Kde is pretty good with old configs, sure you might have some dead links to programs or dirs, but further more most of the settings are simply carried over :)
[08:55] <murthy> hello everyone
[08:57] <lordievader> Hey murthy, how are you?
[08:57] <murthy> lordievader: hi, i am fine, how are you today?
[08:58] <lordievader> murthy: I'm doing good. Gonna go to my parents this afternoon, my Raspberry Pi is waiting there for me :)
[08:58] <murthy> lordievader: wow
[08:58] <murthy> lordievader: enjoy the day
[08:58] <murthy> lordievader: new model?
[08:58] <lordievader> murthy: I think I will, thanks
[08:58] <lordievader> The B Model.
[08:59] <murthy> nice
[09:53] <zero_coder> hi lean21
[10:30] <baizon_> hi, i want to show only the icon of an app. How can i set this up? :)
[10:31] <soee> baizon_, showe where ?
[10:34] <baizon_> ou well stupid me
[10:35] <baizon_> there is a widget for taht
[10:35] <baizon_> thanks anyway :)
[10:46] <baizon_> is there a synapse-like application for Kubuntu? :)
[10:54] <lordievader> baizon_: This synaps? http://lifehacker.com/5704221/synapse-is-a-super+fast-tightly-integrated-application-launcher-for-linux
[10:57] <baizon_> yes, but its integrated into kde already :D
[10:57] <baizon_> sorry first time kubuntu user
[10:57] <lordievader> baizon_: Was about to mention that, krunner (alt+f2). No problem, ask, ask and ask. We are here to help :)
[10:58] <baizon_> yes just fund that krunner is doing everything i need
[11:01] <baizon_> ok last thing i need...
[11:03] <baizon_> i cant find it. There is an terminal application that is like tilda.
[11:04] <lordievader> baizon_: Check out Yakuake.
[11:04] <baizon_> ok, thanks
[11:13] <heikoheiko> there is no alternate installer anymore, right? does the gui installer support lvm/luks? afair it didn't in the past.
[11:14] <lordievader> heikoheiko: 12.04 was the last with the alternate installer, or so I believe. If 12.10 has support for lvm, I don't know. But 13.04 does.
[11:55] <Kakerot> i have installed kubuntu on my system as a seperate OS..
[11:55] <Kakerot> i want to download and install QT5.0.1...i downloaded it but aint able to install
[11:56] <Kakerot> http://pastebin.com/ddwfwwTY
[11:57] <Kakerot> this   is the error i am getting when i type make
[11:57] <Kakerot> in command line
[12:04] <tsimpson> Kakerot: you should ask about that in #qt
[12:04] <tsimpson> or just use the binary installer package
[12:04] <Kakerot> tsimpson:  ohk
[12:12] <calwig> hi what is the kde manager for pgp keys, wifi passwords. is it kwallet mgr?
[12:30] <Kakerot> tsimpson: what is binary installer package?
[12:31] <tsimpson> Kakerot: the one from http://qt-project.org/downloads Qt 5.0.1 for Linux 32-bit (or the 64-bit one)
[12:32] <tsimpson> download the .run, chmod +x it, then run it with kdesudo and you can install it in /opt, or run as your normal user to install it in ~/
[12:35] <Kakerot> tsimpson:  i have already downloaded it...but having a problem in installing it
[12:38] <calwig> hi, where can i find/start the Keyring Manager in KDE
[12:47] <apachelogger> calwig: it's started on demand
[12:48] <calwig> apachelogger, you know where you import/export pgp keys, gui actually
[12:49] <apachelogger> !info kgpg
[12:50] <apachelogger> calwig: sorry, I misread ^^
[12:50] <calwig> man i could kiss you
[12:50] <calwig> thank you
[12:50] <calwig> i need it badly
[13:05] <FlashDeluxe> hi! is there a netinstall download existing fpr kubuntu?
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:48] <baizon> hi, is there a systray notifier for emails (like ImapQuickCheck )?
[13:50] <eliasp_web> hi
[13:50] <calwig> baizon, kmail has one
[13:51] <baizon> ok, will check it out
[13:51] <baizon> thanks
[13:51] <eliasp_web> it looks like there are no installable debug symbols available for smb4k in 13.04… what's the proper way to request them? bug at Launchpad?
[13:52] <ikonia> eliasp_web: normally a debug package is available
[13:52] <ikonia> eliasp_web: #ubuntu+1 is the right channel for 13.04 chat
[13:52] <eliasp_web> ikonia: ok, thx
[14:26] <markit> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports/main i386 Packages
[14:26] <markit>   400  Bad Request [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[14:26] <markit> any clue?
[14:27] <markit> at apt-update for 12.04
[14:27] <markit> another PC with same os and sources.list on my lan works fine
[14:27] <markit> I've tried apt-get clean also
[14:45] <roasted> hello friends
[14:45] <Mamarok> markit: looks like the mirror is down? Change the source server
[14:46] <markit> Mamarok: can0t be done since is ok from the other pc
[14:46] <roasted> Do any of you know how to turn off notifications via the panel? So if it's set to auto hide and I get an IM it doesn't pop up?
[14:46] <markit> I've disabled squid, but same result
[14:46] <markit> Mamarok: I'm investigating with tcpdump now
[14:47] <markit> in effect seems that the traffic is not going to the right gateway
[14:48] <Mamarok> roasted: disable the notifications, I doubt you can avoid having the panel pop up, as the notificatiosn are part of the systemtray
[14:48] <roasted> Mamarok: gah. :(
[14:49] <roasted> Mamarok: er, wait, no, we're on two different pages.
[14:49] <roasted> Mamarok: I'm okay with notifications via s ystem tray. I want to disable the notifications via the panel itself... it's a separate panel.
[14:50] <roasted> Mamarok: think of Unity's layout. Bar on left side, bar on top. I have the left side bar auto hiding, but it comes up each time with the notification menu in the upper panel. I just want to disable the left panel from coming up and doing its little dance every time I get an IM since I already have the actual notification panel for that reason.
[14:50] <Mamarok> well, you don't want to have the panel pop up, right? It will as long as you use the notifications as default. Maybe use another notification system could help
[14:50] <Mamarok> I don't know about Unity, I use KDE
[14:51] <roasted> Mamarok: I use KDE too. I just have things laid out like Unity. I was using that as an example so you could visualize how my screen is set up.
[14:52] <roasted> Mamarok: maybe I'm missing it, and I'm sure I am, I just wasn't sure which settings to adjust to disable Kopete's panel-waking notification while letting the system notification in the top panel alone.
[14:52] <Mamarok> well, instead of having the system notification that goes through the panel, use OSD for IM messages
[14:52] <roasted> Point is I don't need two things hitting me with, hey dude, you got an IM.
[14:52] <roasted> I'm drawing a blank as to how I would set up OSD? (I'm relatively new to KDE)
[14:53] <Mamarok> the notification s are set by application, so if you use telepathy for IM you need to configure that there
[14:53] <Mamarok> make it use OSD instead of system notifications
[14:53] <Mamarok> same in Amarok
[14:53] <roasted> so bottom line is I need to worry about the notification settings per application as opposed to the panel/KDE notification settings, eh?
[14:54] <markit> Mamarok: solved, I had an experimental local squid setup (not working, I guess) on that local host
[14:54] <Mamarok> well, you can configure notifications individually by application, so disable the system notification if you don't want the panel to pop up
[14:55] <Mamarok> markit: nice :)
[14:55] <markit> yep, I'm very happy when there is a rational explaination ;P
[14:58] <roasted> Mamarok: I'll look into that. Appreciate it.
[15:24] <anonymous_> Boa Tarde a todos !
[15:31] <murthy> PedroVIsky: Boa Tarde
[15:31] <PedroVIsky> murthy: Valeu sou novo no linux to começando agora ! já estou gostando
[15:32] <murthy> PedroVIsky: nice Benvido a Linux
[15:34] <murthy> PedroVIsky: para obter axuda aquí, ten que esperar, quizais algún día levar moito tempo tamén. Use a guía de apelidos autocomplete
[15:35] <PedroVIsky> murthy: esta fácil !
[15:35] <PedroVIsky> murthy: mais obrigado qualquer coisa estarei por ai !
[15:38] <murthy> PedroVIsky: Sentímolo o tradutor de Google non está a traducir-lo correctamente, eu non podo entender o que dixo a última vez
[15:38] <PedroVIsky> murthy: are you from man ?
[15:39] <murthy> PedroVIsky: man ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> hey guys , what happened to English here ?
[15:39] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[15:40] <murthy> BluesKaj: just some welcome in PedroVIsky's native language, he is new to linux
[15:40] <murthy> BluesKaj: its galician
[15:41] <murthy> BluesKaj: do we have a ubuntu channel for the language?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> murthy, are you Spanish/Galician ?
[15:42] <murthy> BluesKaj: no
[15:43] <BluesKaj> have you lived there then ?
[15:43] <murthy> BluesKaj: nope :)
[15:44] <PedroVIsky> ???
[15:44] <BluesKaj> ok , must be calif :)
[15:45] <murthy> BluesKaj: google translator :D
[15:46] <PedroVIsky> ele mora lá no google translator
[15:47] <BluesKaj> some translators are more accurate than others
[15:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: ya
[15:47] <murthy> BluesKaj: google needs to improve
[15:48] <murthy> BluesKaj: have you upgraded to 4.10.1?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> yes , but I'm on 13.04 and it's fine so far
[15:49] <murthy> BluesKaj: in that case i am going to upgrade now
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's in the backports
[15:49] <murthy> BluesKaj: backports already enabled :)
[15:51] <murthy> BluesKaj: i have a problem with my audio, this is the debug message http://paste.kde.org/690632/ , can you see anything  suspicious?
[15:52] <murthy> BluesKaj: the audio sounds like chipuk after an popup notification dialog appears after the login
[15:53] <murthy> BluesKaj: the audio sounds like chipuk after an popup notification dialog appears after the login for the first time
[15:56] <BluesKaj> murthy, do you have a pci soundcard with drivers installed as well as your onboard?
[15:57] <murthy> BluesKaj: i have a create live 24 bit pci sound card and the onboard audio is disabled in bios
[15:59] <BluesKaj> murthy, try a different player , like VLC or some other
[16:00] <murthy> BluesKaj: i tried clementine and also the flashplayer any thing playing sound turns chipmuk when it happens
[16:01] <BluesKaj> what do mean by 'it happens"
[16:01] <BluesKaj> do you
[16:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/249451
[16:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: i will give you the steps
[16:03] <murthy> BluesKaj: after booting and login, open amarok or any audio player and play something, now open the multimedia settings, i do that by right clicking kmix and  selecting audio setup . After that the dialog which i posted above appears and the sound turns chipmuk
[16:05] <BluesKaj> have you set up the the soundcard devices in phonon and chosen the drivers that work as default first of all ..i need to know what you have and haven't done
[16:05] <murthy> BluesKaj: after closing the player that playing the chipmuk audio and opening it and playing any music , it plays correctly and the problem doesnt occur even when opening the multimedia settings and the dialog doesn't showup
[16:06] <murthy> BluesKaj: I haven't done anything
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok , open system settings>multimedia>phonon>device preference tab , there will be your soundevices listed there , check the test option on them and choose the first one that gives you a proper sound
[16:10] <BluesKaj> murthy,^
[16:11] <murthy> BluesKaj: checking
[16:12] <murthy> BluesKaj: there is only one device active and the rest are grey i will give you the snap
[16:13] <BluesKaj> don't bother , does it work with the test option when highlighted?
[16:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/249453
[16:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: it works
[16:14] <murthy> BluesKaj: I change from analog stereo to 5.1 sometimes
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok move it to the top with the prefer option , and apply
[16:16] <murthy> BluesKaj: for all ?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ok , how are you running 5.1 , analog or spdif  ? either way you need to set pulse audio up in the hardware tab
[16:17] <murthy> BluesKaj: analog
[16:18] <murthy> BluesKaj: i am moving the device up for all categories
[16:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: done, for testing i have to restart
[16:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: should i test now?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> pure 5.1 is discrete digital / spdif out , the other 5.1 is just an analog presentation into 5 speakers
[16:20] <BluesKaj> murthy, have you setup the device setting in the device tab ?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> if so ,  just try aamarok , yo may not need to reboot
[16:21] <murthy> BluesKaj: i will paste the hardware tab snap
[16:21] <BluesKaj> phat phingers here
[16:22] <murthy> BluesKaj: no the problem shows only one after login
[16:22] <murthy> BluesKaj: so i have to reboot to check
[16:23] <BluesKaj> make sure you "applied" your settings
[16:24] <murthy> BluesKaj: double checked the settings are applied
[16:24] <murthy> BluesKaj: so shall i reboot?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> well , do you have pavucontrol installed ? it will solidify your settings in the phonon/device section and I don't think pulseaudio is crashing as you posted elsewhere .
[16:26] <BluesKaj> murthy, ^
[16:27] <novaisabadcat> my system decided on its own to boot into the grub screen at every boot instead of just going to the default..does anyone have any idea how to fix that?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> but you can reboot now
[16:27] <murthy> BluesKaj: i like pavucontrol , but i am concerned about the gtk stuff
[16:29] <BluesKaj> don't be, I use synaptic all the time as my reference package manager , what's afew gtklibs ?
[16:30] <murthy> BluesKaj: you don't use muon?
[16:33] <BluesKaj>  not a muon fan
[16:35] <mandoguit> synaptic for the win....
[16:37] <BluesKaj> mandoguit, to each his own , it's a matter of personal preference , not a competition
[16:39] <mandoguit> please don't read more into my comments than whats there....that's all I was expressing... a personal preference.   snotty attitude is not appreciated thank you very much.   and no need to reply
[16:41] <BluesKaj> snotty ? ...sorry you feel that way, but that's not my problem :)
[16:41] <genii-around> BluesKaj: They did a hit n run :)
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , while I was typing
[16:46] <novaisabadcat> my grub config seems to have decided to show the menu when I boot instead of silently goign to default.  I'm trying to find out how to change it back to the original setting but I can't understand exactly how kubuntu has implemented it.  my package manager says i dont have grub installed.  I have some grub config files i can edit that tell me to also run grub-update, but running grub-update tells me grub isnt installed
[16:46] <novaisabadcat> .  Yet when I boot I see gnu grub 2.0 menu...anyone have any advice?
[16:48] <novaisabadcat> I tried setting grub_timeout to 0 in /etc/default/grub, but if i can't run grub-update then it can't update /boot/grub.cfg properly....setting it had no effect.
[16:49] <murthy> novaisabadcat: probably you have 2 grubs installed seperately
[16:49] <murthy> novaisabadcat: *separately
[16:50] <novaisabadcat> i dont see any installed in the package manager...and i didn't mess with grub at all..so i dont know why that would happen
[16:50] <BluesKaj> do you have more than one Linux install on your HDD , novaisabadcat ?
[16:50] <novaisabadcat> no this is on a virtual machine
[16:51] <BluesKaj> dunno how to handle that , VMsaren't my forte
[16:51] <novaisabadcat> its been booting right into the default as it should for ages...all the sudden its booting to that menu
[16:52] <novaisabadcat> well it should be just like a standalone pc as far as kubuntu is concerned
[16:52] <novaisabadcat> i guess what i should have said is no i dont have more than one os installed  :D
[16:53] <novaisabadcat> I updated KDE yesterday....then had some horrible lockup at one point and had to reset
[16:53] <BluesKaj> well , if you're running a VM you must be a using a host OS for the VM
[16:54] <novaisabadcat> yes but i believe that's not relevent to the issue as it's a virtual disc
[16:54] <novaisabadcat> the host is win 7
[16:55] <novaisabadcat> running vmware player
[16:55] <novaisabadcat> but the kubuntu install is jsut the standard install method...one os
[16:55] <novaisabadcat> and it thinks it has its own 60gb drive all to itself
[16:56] <novaisabadcat> im a bit concerned that resetting while it was locked up might have borked some things...I sis try a fsck scan..didnt seem to help
[16:56] <BluesKaj> how are booting into windows then when you need to if the system auto boots to linux in VM
[16:56] <novaisabadcat> sis=did*
[16:58] <BluesKaj> murthy, is your audio ok , now?
[16:58] <baizon_> test
[16:59] <novaisabadcat> There's no multi OS booting at all going on..windows 7 boots normally...then i start up vmware player and start up a kubuntu VM...the vm uses files on the host as the hard drive
[16:59] <novaisabadcat> so the kubuntu guest only knows of one hard drive..and its not real
[17:00] <novaisabadcat> basically its a default install of kubuntu..not a multiboot setup in any way
[17:00] <novaisabadcat> so the fact that its showing grub all the sudden seems strange and unnecessary
[17:01] <murthy> BluesKaj: i was upgrading to 4.10.1, it finished now, going to reboot
[17:01] <novaisabadcat> let me know if it fuckers up your grub : P
[17:01] <BluesKaj> so your concern is that grub appears , if it boots ok , what's the worry ...be happy that it's there
[17:02] <BluesKaj> novaisabadcat, no need for that kind of language'
[17:02] <murthy> !language
[17:02] <murthy> novaisabadcat: ^
[17:02] <genii-around> I think the command is update-grub, not grub-update
[17:02] <novaisabadcat> well the greater concern is how it changed on its own or why...but yeah i dont like having to first click in the vmware window to give it focus..then press enter for it to boot up when it used to just boot up
[17:02]  * apachelogger looks
[17:02] <apachelogger> genii-around's very much right FWIW
[17:02] <novaisabadcat> ooh sorry about that
[17:03] <novaisabadcat> ill watch my mouth
[17:03] <murthy> apachelogger:  what are you looking at?
[17:03] <apachelogger> language
[17:03] <apachelogger> apparently
[17:03] <murthy> apachelogger: heh
[17:03] <BluesKaj> novaisabadcat, yes , as genii-around says sudo update-grub
[17:03] <murthy> apachelogger: thats just in here , not in dev chaneel
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> i tried that and it said grub isnt installed
[17:04] <apachelogger> when someone does !language in here I get a highlight... :P
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> which is odd cause its clearly there at boot...and the files are there..but update-grub fails
[17:04] <apachelogger> also technically it applies to *all* ubuntu channels
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> i feel like i set off a firealarm
[17:04] <apachelogger> includes -devel and -offtopic
[17:04] <novaisabadcat> nothig to see here..i dropped an fbomb..im sorry
[17:04] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: please paste the exact output
[17:05] <apachelogger> !paste
[17:05] <novaisabadcat> "sudo: update-grub: command not found"
[17:05] <BluesKaj> nope novaisabadcat most of us dual boot , rather than use vmplayer or VMs if we need windows
[17:05] <murthy> apachelogger: not even a day went without me seeing the works in dev channel
[17:05] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: what version of kubuntu?
[17:05] <novaisabadcat> Kubuntu 12.10
[17:05] <murthy> apachelogger: not even a day went without me seeing the *WORDS in dev channel
[17:06] <BluesKaj> nope sudo update-grub , no ":"
[17:06] <novaisabadcat> i didnt issue the command with a ":" thats jsut the resonse
[17:07] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: dpkg-query -s grub2-common |grep Status; dpkg -L grub2-common; which update-grub && ls -l `which update-grub`
[17:07] <apachelogger> paste again please
[17:08] <novaisabadcat> as root?
[17:08] <apachelogger> no
[17:09] <novaisabadcat> "dpkg-query: package 'grub2-common' is not installed and no information is available"
[17:09] <apachelogger> :O
[17:09] <novaisabadcat> yeah...is grub installed on demand?
[17:09] <apachelogger> no? :P
[17:10] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:11] <novaisabadcat> i have another problem that seemed to start about the same time..that should be totally unrelated..but the fact that both are happening made me suspect file system errors..but fsck found nothing
[17:12] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: file system errors?
[17:14] <novaisabadcat> it was a thought.  I've been using Deluge for torrenting...it stopped connecting, and I was also not able to change bandwidth limits from the status bar.  I uninstalled, reinstalled, purged, reinstalled, then finally found the config files in my home folder and reset those...it fixed the status bar interaction problem..but still cant connect to anything
[17:15] <novaisabadcat> so something in the config files got borked...removing and recreating it all made it a bit better...so thats why i susupected file errors
[17:15] <apachelogger> curious
[17:15] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: I'd reinstall :P
[17:15] <novaisabadcat> everything?
[17:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:15] <apachelogger> well
[17:15] <apachelogger> if you want to recover
[17:15] <apachelogger> ...
[17:15] <FloodBotK1> apachelogger: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:16] <novaisabadcat> uh oh fire alarm
[17:16] <novaisabadcat> yeah fortunately i have a backup of it from about a week ago..prior to installing kde 4.10 and a few other things
[17:16] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: cd ~; mkdir logs && cp /var/log/dpkg.log* logs/; cp -r /var/log/apt logs/; tar -cf logs.tar logs && xz -9 logs.tar; rm -rf logs logs.tar
[17:17] <apachelogger> that will create a logs.tar.xz file in your home, send that to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:17] <apachelogger> then run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:17] <apachelogger> FloodBotK1: I'll think you to not insult my thinking speed
[17:19] <novaisabadcat> ok i sent the logs
[17:20] <novaisabadcat> i think rather than reinstalling kubuntu-desktop..i might try going to my backup and updating from there
[17:20] <novaisabadcat> though if thats my intention it wouldnt hurt to try reinstalling kubuntu via apt also
[17:21] <novaisabadcat> one of the upsides to using a vm...you can just make a copy of the whole folder and replace it if the need arises
[17:23] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: that's why I suggested reinstall... in most cases it's simpler to reinstall a vm than to actually recover it
[17:25] <novaisabadcat> I used to mess with dual booting...or even just choosing my hard drive from bios...but it seems so much better to run it as a vm...i have both windows and inlux available at once..and dual monitors.  It's pretty handy when its workign right.
[17:26] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: are you using any ppas?
[17:26] <apachelogger> cat /etc/apt/sources.list; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[17:26] <novaisabadcat> yes a few
[17:27] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: please paste
[17:28] <novaisabadcat> http://pastebin.com/P7wvE5Ai
[17:28] <Ab3L> hi. i see that with cheese i can use effects through my webcam. but how can i use those video effects in skype. does someone know?
[17:28] <apachelogger> I know appropximately what happened
[17:29] <apachelogger> not sure on the why though
[17:29] <apachelogger> Ab3L: you can't
[17:29] <apachelogger> they are features of cheese
[17:31] <novaisabadcat> apachelogger: brb in 2
[17:34] <Ab3L> apachelogger: do you know if there's somewhere a server for linux which can do that?
[17:35] <novaisabadcat> apachelogger: back
[17:35] <novaisabadcat> apachelogger: you think you know what might have happened?
[17:36] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: wine ppa is at fault it seems, at 2013-03-07  07:52:38 you installed wine1.4 and some other stuff of which some package triggered the removal of gettext, after that your system started to fall apart as the removal of gettext allowed for other essential packages to be removed up to the point where no more packages could be removed
[17:36] <apachelogger> ie. you right now have half a system :P
[17:36] <novaisabadcat> eek
[17:37] <novaisabadcat> it did occur to me that installing wine in a linux guest running on a windows host did seem really unnecessary in the first place
[17:37] <novaisabadcat> not everything has to make sense does it
[17:37] <apachelogger> yeah well, the problem was the quality of the package (or some other package that was installed in that batch)
[17:38] <novaisabadcat> slightly unsettling...so avoid wine in the future?
[17:38] <novaisabadcat> or should i avoid ppas?
[17:38] <apachelogger> PPAs in general unless you know you can trust the creators
[17:38] <novaisabadcat> i must say for having only half a system..ive only noticed a couple symptoms
[17:39] <novaisabadcat> but i thought we all trusted wine
[17:39] <apachelogger> overall, the more ppas you have the more likely it gets that something goes wrong though
[17:39] <apachelogger> so it is not always a trust issue ^^
[17:39] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: as I said, I am not entirely sure it's wine's fault
[17:39] <murthy> going for reboot brb
[17:40] <novaisabadcat> I have this terrible habit of thinking that newer=better when i know it's not always true.
[17:40] <apachelogger> yeah :)
[17:41] <novaisabadcat> yeah alot went on in the last day or two as far as installign and removing..basically I fiddled with apache and wine...then had trouble with deluge so i fiddled with that too
[17:41] <novaisabadcat> apache isnt from a ppa though
[17:41] <apachelogger> anywho, what you can do is remove the PPAs you do not need then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:41] <apachelogger> that should actually resolve the problems
[17:42] <apachelogger> yeah, deluge broke because of the stuff that was removed
[17:42] <apachelogger> it had implicit dependencies on something in there (some python package apparently) and when that went away parts of deluge broke
[17:42] <novaisabadcat> ok cool ill back this up in the mess its in and give that a shot....you think thats a better solution than just reverting to a copy of the vm from a week ago?
[17:43] <apachelogger> novaisabadcat: doesn't really matter, if you revert just make sure to get rid of ppas you don't need
[17:43] <novaisabadcat> i definately dont need wine
[17:43] <apachelogger> then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and watch out for things that may be removed
[17:43] <apachelogger> should be good to go again after that
[17:43] <novaisabadcat> cool thank you for the help
[17:43] <apachelogger> np
[17:43]  * apachelogger leaves for dinner
[17:58] <murthy_> BluesKaj: i tried after restart and the sound problem still exists. I think its a pulseaudio issue
[18:00] <BluesKaj> murthy_, ok you'll have to purge pulseaudio , then reboot agin and try it with alsa alone ..alsa by itself is capable of processing all your audio needs except for audio on websites , that's the only reason I use pulse
[18:17] <roasted> Any of you cool cats running an alternative launcher, like takeoff or homerun?
[18:22] <phoenix_firebrd> !in
[18:30] <unheeding> is it possible for konsole to have split view with seperate processes in each view?
[18:32] <DarthFrog> unheeding:  Of course.  just open a new tab.
[18:33] <unheeding> oh okay, that makes sense now
[18:33] <unheeding> I'm slowly relearning things coming from GTK-based environs
[18:38] <avihay> roasted: lancelot
[18:40] <roasted> avihay: based on screenshots I wasn't that interested in lancelot.
[18:40] <roasted> avihay: I was hoping to install homerun, but I added the PPA... and nothing happened... no package could be found.
[18:42] <avihay> did you try looking inside the ppa from a browser?
[18:42] <roasted> uh, I was not aware you could do that...
[18:43] <avihay> lancelot is a small improvement over the default launcher, not too exciteing. homerun looked nice though
[18:43] <avihay> what's the name of the ppa?
[18:43] <roasted> blue-shell/homerun
[18:45] <unheeding> hmm, now i just need to find a way to have icon only task manager seperate my irssi and konsole sessions
[18:45] <avihay> chttps://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun
[18:46] <roasted> yeah I'm still not following you avihay
[18:47] <avihay> the ppa has 5 packages listed
[18:48] <avihay> did you remember to update the repository database after adding the ppa?
[18:49] <roasted> avihay: yes
[18:49] <roasted> of course
[18:49] <tatie> hello.... lately Akonadi is taking over a lot of ram. how to get arround this? it used to be fine before but now with firefox open (3 tabs) it is showing almost 800MB memorry used. i have only 1,2GB ram
[18:51] <avihay> mmm, there was a way to download packages from a ppa manually from within a browser
[18:51] <roasted> sigh
[18:51] <tatie> checkign system monitor i can see firefox is taking 300 MB :-O
[18:52] <tatie> there is 18 instances of akonadi_agent_launcher
[18:53] <tatie> each taking 13MB
[18:53] <tatie> mail dispatcher, birthday resource... both taking about 30 mb
[18:53] <tatie> mail filter and such asnd such. and i dont' even use Kmail
[18:55] <tatie> what will happen if i dsiable it?
[18:55] <tatie> disable
[18:55]  * avihay tries to build homerunf rom source
[18:55] <avihay> tatie: I only have two
[19:00] <roasted> avihay: looks like homerun is mainly targeted for 12.10 and 13.04, not 12.04 as I'm on (even though I have KDE 4.10)
[19:00] <roasted> One guy said he just downloaded each package 1 by 1 and it was fine
[19:01] <tatie> which is why i do not udnerstand why so many are running. i do not have any programmes in backgorund. only firefox is on
[19:01] <avihay> well, I run 12.04 and it compiled just fine
[19:01] <roasted> what exactly did you do to install it? I have the tar ball but I didn't see any install scripts inside.
[19:01] <avihay> except for some c++11 issue (removed a keyword)
[19:02] <avihay> kde software is usually configured with cmake, that generates the makefile
[19:02] <roasted> That irritates me that 12.04 isn't supported.
[19:02] <roasted> What's the point of an LTS then?
[19:02] <tatie> i just checked. a lot of them say personal contacts
[19:02] <avihay> security updates
[19:04] <roasted> hm, downloaded the .deb's manually and it indeed worked fine
[19:04] <avihay> mkdir build && cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
[19:05] <avihay> or download the deb...
[19:05] <tatie> aha it's about those personal contacts that dont' exist anymore since i removed KDE
[19:05] <tatie> not KDE i mean kmail
[19:05] <roasted> wow, I like this a lot...
[19:09] <tatie>  MB on idle. is that nromal? should it be lower closer to 250 MB? MB on
[19:09] <tatie> 490 MB
[19:10] <tatie> on idle
[19:10] <tatie> would it be bad if i disabled it?
[19:14] <tatie> i am disabling it. i just saw that CPU was also used a lot before and this maschine has a celeron, so i don't want extra load on it for no good reason
[19:48] <lordievader> Good evening
[19:58] <goodtime> lo lordievader
[19:59] <lordievader> Hey goodtime, how are you?
[20:07] <goodtime> im good lol sorry im in a conversation over here lol brb
[20:59] <ronalds> atleast in kde scale works fine
[21:41] <cloakable> Does anyone else have the echo cancel sink showing up as mono on stereo speakers?
[23:41] <rberg> ever since I upgraded to 4.10.1 nepomukservices is preventing my from putting my laptop to sleep. nepomukservicestub nepomukfilewatch is the process specifically. anybody else?
[23:42] <rberg> my laptop I mean


[11:32] <asac> chrisccoulson: hello ... are you on this week?
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> asac, as always ;)
[11:41] <asac> chrisccoulson: jpds on canonical is lookinng for you
[11:41] <asac> please get back :)
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> asac, i'm aware, thanks :)
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> asac, we should redirect firefox requests to the desktop team ;)
[11:45] <asac> chrisccoulson: i will try to remember
[11:45] <asac> chrisccoulson: anyone in particular?
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> asac, i heard that seb128 really wants to work on firefox
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> (just kidding) ;)
[11:46] <asac> lol


[10:33] <tjaalton> anyone around? i'd like to pull a new snapshot of sound-juicer which seems to fix a bunch of issues with current musicbrainz service.. s-j hasn't seen a release in 14 months, who knows why
[10:33] <tjaalton> ported to gsettings too
[10:35] <tjaalton> sorry, gsettings port is wip
[10:35] <tjaalton> on another branch
[10:35] <tjaalton> so should be even safer
[11:30] <darkxst> Laney, what is XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP on your xnomad system?
[11:31] <darkxst> and mitya57 I am guessing flashback still steals GNOME?
[11:31] <Laney> darkxst: gnome-xmonad
[11:31] <Laney> oh wait
[11:31] <Laney> that's DESKTOP_SESSION
[11:31] <mitya57> darkxst: steals?
[11:31] <Laney> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME
[11:32] <darkxst> Laney, I don't suppose DESKTOP_SESSION is exported when g-s-d gets run by upstart?
[11:32] <mitya57> on flashback DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome-flashback (or gnome-flashback-compiz), XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME
[11:34] <Laney> I think DESKTOP_SESSION is set by lightdm
[11:34] <Laney> you can rely on it being set
[11:35] <darkxst> Laney, ok will try that
[11:38] <darkxst> Laney, do you know why Unity spoofs org.gnome.Shell btw?
[11:38] <darkxst> (on d-bus)
[11:38] <Laney> no idea
[11:39] <darkxst> I would not be suprised if there are racy bugs due to that in g-s-d keygrabber
[11:39] <Laney>     GnomeSessionManager: implement an "org.gnome.Shell" server to catch the session events
[11:41] <darkxst> Laney: your code search is broken?
[11:42] <Laney> maybe
[11:42] <Laney> I set up a cron job yesterdya
[11:42] <Laney> it probably has bugs
[11:42] <Laney> hmm, I get results
[11:42] <Laney> what's broken for you?
[11:42] <darkxst> timeout
[11:43] <Laney> like http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?weighted=1&q=org.gnome.Shell works
[11:43] <darkxst> oh it worked eventually
[11:45] <darkxst> so probably media-keys and xsettings plugins could be affected
[14:11] <desrt> Laney: working the weekend? :)
[22:37] <Laney> desrt: just hanging around making a nuisance of myself :P
[23:40] <darkxst> Laney, http://pastebin.com/QyKNBh89


[00:08] <android808> Evening all.  Question about uninstalling a graphics driver.  I was installing the vulkan driver and now Ubuntu doesn't boot.
[00:37] <android808> I am trying to get my wireless to connect via terminal, but I can't find any posts that work for me.  Anyone know how to do that?
[00:37] <android808> Been trying iwconfig
[00:37] <android808> From posts i have been looking at
[00:37] <android808> And iwlist
[03:03] <cmaloney> jrwren just got told to run stuff on Linux for .NET by Scott Hanselman
[04:44] <_stink_> ..
[13:10] <jrwren> cmaloney: yeah, those .net core folks are such tools. they totally miss the point.
[13:10] <jrwren> it makes me sad how messed up this industry is.
[13:13] <jcastro> jay
[13:13] <jcastro> your tweets frighten me
[13:13] <jcastro> "tip: you won't reboot your cloud insts anyway, right? `apt-mark hold linux-image-generic` to prevent kernel updates from filling your disk."
[13:13] <jcastro> I am so glad you're not on the distro team
[13:15] <jcastro> the rest of your posts seem satisfactory.
[13:19] <cmaloney> heh
[13:26] <jrwren> jcastro: you don't really run ops, do you?
[13:26] <jrwren> jcastro: I don't anymore, but I did.
[13:26] <jrwren> you don't NEED that kernel unless it solves a problem for you, so you don't install it or reboot.
[13:27] <jrwren> There is only a remote vuln fix in a kernel once every few years, so you only NEED to reboot once every few years. The rest is YAGNI.
[13:27] <jrwren> This is how ops is done when actual risk analysis and cost benefit analysis is done before doing things.
[13:27] <jrwren> You do not jsut do things, "because we've always dont it that way."
[13:27] <jrwren> Also, how would being on the distro team matter? Seems like you'd want to keep me out of webops.
[13:28] <cmaloney> I think it depends on the time / effort to spin up a new instance
[13:29] <cmaloney> and if you're going for "long-running" instances rather than just spinning and building new
[13:30] <jrwren> exactly part of why I tweeted what I tweeted.
[13:30] <jrwren> "you won't reboot your cloud insts anyway, right..."  because its short lived.
[13:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, that makes sense
[13:31] <cmaloney> though why you're running apt on short-lived instances also eludes me
[13:32] <jrwren> but also, there is the case of cloud instances which aren't on the internet at all. security group with all inet access disabled. What is the risk of not upgrading kernel on those instances?
[13:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: ha! that is exactly the next step! NEVER upgrade anything on cloud instances, ONLY redeploy to get upgrades.
[13:32] <cmaloney> :)
[13:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: but... unattended-upgrades is on by default and spams your systems automatically with "security" updates.
[13:32] <cmaloney> Yeah, I know
[13:33] <jrwren> but... ya know what those "security" updates do when the root disk fills? IT CAUSES DENIAL OF SERVICE! So you are worse by default!
[13:33] <cmaloney> though Ubuntu Server has the option to not have that on as part of the install
[13:33] <jrwren> cloud-img is on be default and that is what runs everywhere in the cloud :)
[13:34] <jrwren> *in cloudimg it is on by default*
[13:34] <jcastro> and it also prunes kernels by default
[13:34] <jcastro> you have a problem and you went right to "turn off updates"
[13:34] <cmaloney> newer versions, though
[13:35] <cmaloney> I see both sides of this
[13:35] <cmaloney> if you have an insance that's only going to be around for an hour or two then having updates run is pointless
[13:35] <jrwren> it does not prune kernels by deault.
[13:35] <jrwren> I had this happen to me.
[13:35] <jrwren> 1.5G of kernels filling that little 9G root partition.
[13:35] <jrwren> it only prunes OLD kernels.
[13:36] <cmaloney> I've had kernels overflow my /boot partition
[13:36] <jrwren> but if you leave the system *unattended* then it isn't rebooting, it is only installing new kernels which will NEVER be used.
[13:36] <cmaloney> but I'm also on 14.04
[13:36] <jrwren> also, I did NOT "turn off updates" instead, I pinned ONLY the kernel version. Other security updates continue to be applied automatically via unattended-upgrades.
[13:37] <jrwren> as former sysadmins, modern devops requires us to rethink everything, including this. The fact that we aren't shows that we aren't willing to give up the past and change and doing things newer and better.
[13:38] <cmaloney> Newer, yes. Better is still TBD
[13:39] <jrwren> oh, i agree, every use case is different, however, to disregard it entirely is foolish.
[13:39] <jrwren> you'll note I never suggested it should be the default.
[13:39] <cmaloney> :)
[13:41] <jrwren> its also REALLY hard for a lot of us who love tech to admit that newer isn't always better.
[17:59] <jrwren> whoa, community people, anyone know what Joe Landman is up to now? https://scalability.org/2017/03/some-updates-coming-soon/
[19:37] <jrwren> "one of the hardest things when you are trying to affect change is that people like this gentlemen are right, in certain areas."


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[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[16:48] <newguy> how can we usr the irc?
[16:48] <newguy> use*
[16:48] <MyL0> hi
[16:49] <newguy> please wait
[16:49] <Ahd007> hii
[16:52] <MyL0> great the webapp screen ip ...
[16:53] <CatalystCZ> hello ;-)
[16:53] <tmcclelland47> Cant wait for this to start...
[16:53] <metallicORIGIN> yep me too
[16:53] <godlessamerica> word
[16:53] <greenie25> same here
[16:53] <audreyII> I agree with what you are saying
[16:54] <metallicORIGIN> any idea what today is about..???
[16:54] <greenie25> closing thoughts on the edge?
[16:54] <audreyII> I hope they announce that canonical will be switching over to Windows Cloud Hosting services
[16:55] <steelwil_> hi
[16:55] <tmcclelland47> On Google+ it says something about what's new in Ubuntu's development.
[16:55] <MyL0> yes
[16:55] <audreyII> says the same on the facebook post
[16:55] <MyL0> too
[16:56] <audreyII> watch them announce a new window manager
[16:57] <audreyII> "unity was a bad idea. we're gonna go with awesome now"
[16:57] <ss77iiaann> how do I filter out join/quit messages?
[16:57] <metallicORIGIN> jyes even i wanna do that
[16:57] <metallicORIGIN> filter out join/quit messages?
[16:57] <audreyII> in the options
[16:57] <snowronark> where is the people ? 300 ? 500 people ? where is
[16:57] <MyL0> option corner left
[16:57] <artcreation> what can we do here ??
[16:58] <audreyII> if you're on the ubuntuonair.com irc, it's in the top left corner of the iframe
[16:58] <tmcclelland47> only like 3 more minutes!!!
[16:58] <tmcclelland47> make that 2...
[16:58] <metallicORIGIN> :) lol
[16:58] <audreyII> this is kind of a lot of people in the irc
[16:58] <audreyII> who all is actually active?
[16:58] <KarielG0> I am anyway :E
[16:58] <jasonamyers> me
[16:58] <Fer> q onda estro?
[16:59] <Markus_> hi
[16:59] <tmcclelland47> :D
[16:59] <Bikash> Hi
[16:59] <metallicORIGIN> most of them not active
[16:59] <Fer> Q ONDAAA???
[16:59] <ss77iiaann> Options---> "Hide JOINS/PARTS/QUITS" thanks :)
[16:59] <snowronark> where is op ?
[16:59] <snowx> hello
[16:59] <Guest90989> When does the stream start?
[16:59] <tmcclelland47> About a minute...
[16:59] <audreyII> Fer: hables espanol?
[16:59] <artcreation> about 1 min
[16:59] <Guest75550> hi
[17:00] <Fer> audrey sii
[17:00] <artcreation> when is it beginning
[17:00] <audreyII> ah
[17:00] <audreyII> supposedly right now
[17:00] <rytis> 3
[17:00] <dholbach> can you see us?
[17:00] <Fer> Q es esto?? jaja
[17:00] <rytis> 2
[17:00] <rytis> 1
[17:00] <metallicORIGIN> it should start about now..???
[17:01] <godlessamerica> yay
[17:01] <Demonio> yes 17:01 in gtml +0
[17:01] <greenie25> hello
[17:01] <Super_Hans_> yay!
[17:01] <rytis> it works
[17:01] <artcreation> it works
[17:01] <Super_Hans_> We can see you :)
[17:01] <Skyline969> Five by five. You're good to go.
[17:01] <jasonamyers> we can see you
[17:01] <exe> Yes UR Live!!
[17:01] <MyL0> yep online
[17:01] <godlessamerica> yes
[17:01] <Demonio> we can see you
[17:01] <Markus_>    it works :)
[17:01] <Gauthic> online, we can see/hear you :)
[17:01] <Richie442> yep
[17:02] <tavooca_> hi
[17:02] <Javacookies> what do we expect on this event?
[17:02] <anass> i c u
[17:02] <zym_man> woohoo
[17:02] <tmcclelland47> YES!
[17:02] <Holker> we can see you 5
[17:02] <Guest63632> so
[17:02] <DM__> Yes we see u
[17:02] <Invii> We can see ya!
[17:02] <Guest63632> what's now
[17:02] <mhall119> Javacookies: every week we give an update on the development of Ubuntu
[17:02] <artcreation> i c u and hear you
[17:02] <crazyclown> hello
[17:02] <CHOTAS> so?
[17:02] <toxicbyte> Hello!
[17:02] <Erwin> hello from holland
[17:02] <simon__> hello spirit unit is ready and fully functional
[17:02] <metallicORIGIN> so any news about ubuntu edge..???
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[17:02] <DM__> Thank you very much
[17:03] <CHOTAS> desde colombia
[17:03] <tavooca_> from mex tex
[17:03] <mhall119> if anybody has a question at any point during this session, ask them here starting it with "QUESTION: "
[17:03] <CHOTAS> ok
[17:03] <toxicbyte> LINUX FTW!
[17:03] <metallicORIGIN> ok
[17:03] <mhall119> starting with with "QUESTION: " will make it highlighted for us so we see it
[17:03] <DM__> WHAT ABOUT UBUNTU SMARTPHONE?
[17:03] <metallicORIGIN> QUESTION: so any news about ubuntu edge..???
[17:04] <s7ian> the elephant in the room
[17:04] <s7ian> :D
[17:04] <Josh015> QUESTION: Can Pocket (formerly Read It Later) be supported in the Friends API? If so what steps need to be taken?
[17:05] <rytis> what I am doig with my life? :|
[17:05] <metallicORIGIN> QUESTION: developer options in ubuntu edge..??
[17:05] <HugeCode> @rytis: surely not learning english ;-)
[17:06] <chaushev> QUESTION: I was wondering, will I be able, in future when mobile Ubuntu OS is ready, to install on a capable device, different then the Ubuntu phone. Samsung, HTC or whichever device capable to ru the OS?
[17:06] <jasonamyers> QUESTION: Are there any better instructions for app developers to get started on ubuntu desktop apps than developer.ubuntu.com?
[17:06] <DM__> thank you kevin
[17:06] <DM__> please don't copy win HATE(8)
[17:06] <s7ian> Will EDGE be saved by the bell by a filthy rich enthusiast billionaire?
[17:06] <clint_> wats this
[17:07] <Mandalore> QUESTION: Is there going to be further support for laptops, IE getting function keys to work - I can't install ubuntu on my laptop because I can't turn my wifi with ubuntu
[17:07] <DM__> I AGREE WITH MANDALORE QUESTION
[17:08] <metallicORIGIN> i feel Ubuntu marketing is very bad when compared to other competitors
[17:08] <obijuan> Will Ubuntu 13.10 use the ChromeOS compatable 3.9 kernel?
[17:08] <s7ian> disagree @metallic
[17:08] <MyL0> i agree metal
[17:09] <AdyTheBass> XPDC
[17:09] <MyL0> ;)
[17:09] <UbuntuRevolution> Do gtk library will be improved to fit in with unity because there Tnaked between gtk appearance and unity interface
[17:09] <metallicORIGIN> ;)
[17:09] <DM__> Thank you for your work on music APIs Micheal
[17:10] <Josh015> QUESTION: Will Indicators be written the same way as before, or will they start being written in QML?
[17:10] <metallicORIGIN> @s7ian : why is that??
[17:10] <r4f3> i am a dev, how should i proceed?
[17:10] <Super_Hans_> QUESTION: Will the mobile browser eventually replace firefox on the desktop.
[17:10] <Javacookies> I wonder if they're still on-track on an October OS release
[17:10] <DM__> VOLUME!
[17:10] <s7ian> compared to other distros or other OS's? @metallic
[17:11] <Mandalore> Pat - Lagging
[17:11] <AdyTheBass> ppl log in and out
[17:11] <audreyII> Please answer Mandalore's question
[17:11] <AdyTheBass> =.="
[17:11] <r4f3> i am a dev, how should i proceed?
[17:11] <r4f3> i am a dev, how should i proceed?
[17:11] <MyL0> os for me
[17:11] <mhall119> we'll get to the questions shortly, let us get through the summaries first
[17:12] <samiop> hi
[17:12] <metallicORIGIN> @s7ian other OS's
[17:12] <greenie25> QUESTION: when will we see ubuntu touch in newly released models and will future versions of touch see the desktop interface included depending on device specifications?
[17:12] <Corasaaa> the video doesn'twork well!
[17:13] <MyL0> no its work
[17:13] <AdyTheBass> his video lag
[17:13] <s7ian> I wouldn't compare non cost Ubuntu to commercial OS's though. @metallic
[17:13] <DM__> ok thank you pat, but we can't hear you well...next time try to test the dsl line in your area
[17:13] <MyL0> no ... and i watch on my htc
[17:14] <DM__> we appreciate your effort pat
[17:14] <metallicORIGIN> QUESTION: what if Ubuntu uses user info and sells them to third party service providers..??
[17:14] <mhall119> metallicORIGIN: it doesn't
[17:14] <metallicORIGIN> i saw a article few days back about that
[17:14] <Mandalore> @metallicORIGIN: stay off the conspiracy webpages then.
[17:15] <AdyTheBass> thomas
[17:15] <AdyTheBass> bunga
[17:16] <dejvo> QUESTION: will ubuntu touch be avalable on low-performance phones like HTC Desire C ?
[17:17] <Super_Hans_> QUESTION: Will the mobile browser eventually replace firefox on the desktop.
[17:17] <AdyTheBass> will Ubuntu Touch run at My Lumia 800?
[17:18] <greenie25> @dejvo depends on devs who will support them. likely not. @ady probably not :(
[17:18] <AdyTheBass> omg :(
[17:18] <Skyline969> QUESTION: Approximately how close is Ubuntu Touch to being usable as a "daily driver" on the Nexus 4?
[17:18] <mhall119> Skyline969: depending on your needs it already is
[17:19] <mhall119> Skyline969: it's been my daily driver for the last month
[17:19] <mhall119> except for alarms, which should be working soon
[17:19] <Jeferson> oi!!
[17:20] <Jeferson> Algum Brasileiro??
[17:20] <Skyline969> Unfortunately that's a requirement for me. I was following this google doc (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE#gid=0) which seemed to be going over the progress. However, it states Bluetooth is still a work in progress. That's also a fairly large feature that I use on a daily basis. Is that document out of date?
[17:21] <mhall119> Skyline969: best to ask that as it's own QUESTION:
[17:21] <Skyline969> My apologies. I'll do that.
[17:22] <pmcgowan> Skyline969, BT just landed so that doc probably not updated yet
[17:22] <pmcgowan> we do keep it updated
[17:22] <pmcgowan> wip also means no UI
[17:23] <Skyline969> Ah, okay. It looks like I'll be waiting until I start using Ubuntu Touch. I'm impressed with the progress so far though.
[17:23] <mhall119> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[17:25] <spider623> so any way to install it with out wiping the whole nexus 4?
[17:25] <mhall119> kenvandine is the Friends guy
[17:25] <s7ian> I bet canonical has an ace up the sleeve
[17:26] <spider623> wait can they even see this chat?
[17:26] <Super_Hans_> QUESTION: Will the mobile browser eventually replace firefox on the desktop.
[17:27] <Holker> WILL THERE BE UBUNTU ON KINDLES? Since you colaborating with Amazon...
[17:27] <jasonamyers> WOOT! Thanks Michael!
[17:28] <tmcclelland47> QUESTION: Will Chromium replace Firefox? And also, if it will, does it replace Firefox when you update?
[17:29] <bhetus> ls
[17:29] <popey> tmcclelland47: we're not replacing firefox with chromium in this release
[17:30] <NikTh> tmcclelland47:  Firefox will remain the default browser for 13.10. You can follow for any updates this list : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-August/004271.html
[17:30] <xxx600> مرحبا
[17:30] <tmcclelland47> popey: Alright. Thanks!
[17:30] <Dafull97> they need to add a way to run Windows programs easier
[17:30] <spider623> we will see selinux or apparmor in the final ubuntu touch?
[17:31] <tmcclelland47> Dafull97: Wine usually works well. But Ubuntu is a whole different kernel than Windows.
[17:31] <Hummy> Hi , how is ubuntu edge different from a linux distro on android.. speed, graphic and usability wise
[17:31] <Dafull97> yes true, i was jsut wondering
[17:31] <Dafull97> i use wine
[17:31] <Dafull97> :)
[17:32] <amp> QESTION: In the video for the Ubuntu Edge Software story, somewhere it says that the convergence for Ubuntu Edge will be faster than Nexus 4, because it is built into the hardware. What does 'built into the hardware' mean?
[17:32] <jasonamyers> QUESTION: Any chance of getting an ubuntu one email service?
[17:33] <spider623> we will see selinux or apparmor in the final ubuntu touch?
[17:34] <FOJ> Can ubuntu developers in Ghana be paid?
[17:35] <grasshopper> QUESTION: will Python3 be fully supported? Will python 2 packages still be included in the repositories?
[17:36] <tmcclelland47> yay!
[17:37] <Dafull97> so, do you guys just take good ideas from Ubuntu users and put them to action?
[17:37] <mhall119> if anybody has a question at any point during this session, ask them here starting it with "QUESTION: "
[17:37] <spider623> QUESTION: we will see selinux or apparmor in the final ubuntu touch?
[17:38] <Hummy> QUESTION :Hi , how is ubuntu edge different from a linux distro on android.. speed, graphic and usability wise
[17:40] <Holker> QUESTION: Will there be Ubuntu on Kindles?
[17:40] <blokgang> michael hall needs some better internets
[17:40] <mhall119> blokgang: internets is fine, it's the hangout plugin that's being a pain
[17:41] <Dafull97> I think that you guys should like put more administrative abilities in Ubuntu
[17:42] <dholbach> bye guys! :)
[17:42] <ubuntupunk> Ubuntu = bloat
[17:42] <Dafull97> I think that you guys should like put more administrative abilities in Ubuntu
[17:42] <Dafull97> I think that you guys should like put more administrative abilities in Ubuntu
[17:42] <Dafull97> I think that you guys should like put more administrative abilities in Ubuntu
[17:42] <AdyTheBass> THX to u to
[17:43] <jasonamyers> Thank you!
[17:43] <s7ian> thank you guys - keep up the good work
[17:43] <tmcclelland47> Thanks guys! Great show!
[17:45] <tmcclelland47> So I'm just gonna hang out here for a while...
[17:46] <s7ian> <-- 13.04 32bit
[17:46] <tmcclelland47> I'm stuck at 12.04 LTS, becuase my PC bricks itself trying to upgrade. But my PC is from about '04...
[17:47] <s7ian> this one is from '05
[17:48] <s7ian> Linux gave it a few years more
[17:48] <s7ian> Im pleased
[17:51] <Tacoman3005> Hi
[17:51] <Tacoman3005> Is this working?
[17:51] <daffy888> test
[17:52] <Tacoman3005> test confirmed daffy
[17:52] <Tacoman3005> I have a question, my birthday is the 2nd can I get something ;)
[17:52] <s7ian> yea
[17:53] <s7ian> another day
[17:53] <tmcclelland47> Nice. I had an old laptop and that Android distro expanded it's life.
[17:53] <Tacoman3005> Kevin is awesome :)
[17:53] <s7ian> android distro?
[17:53] <s7ian> fill me in pls
[17:53] <tmcclelland47> hold on. lemme find the link to it.
[17:54] <Sanchixx> hi
[17:54] <tmcclelland47> http://www.android-x86.org/
[17:54] <tmcclelland47> Seems like a sin to post that on here...
[17:55] <s7ian> I tested android via virtualBox earlier - is this the same?
[17:56] <s7ian> androvm.org
[17:56] <tmcclelland47> It might be. Android x86 is the best known and most widely used, so they might use their distros.
[17:57] <s7ian> I'll have to look up some screenshots
[17:58] <s7ian> looks nice. I bet it has a ton of useful apps already
[17:59] <s7ian> As long as it is linux based - im in
[18:00] <tmcclelland47> I made a thing on webchat.freenode.net called #androidonpc so if you wanna take this there...
[18:00] <s7ian> Im pro Linux - let the best distro win
[18:01] <Sanchixx> i'm testing android on desktop
[18:01] <Sanchixx> I can see you guys
[18:01] <SGS3> we can see you
[18:03] <tmcclelland47> @s7ian I made a thing on webchat.freenode.net called #androidonpc, so hopefully if it works we can talk about this there...
[18:08] <tmcclelland47__> Wow there's two of me now...
[18:08] <tmcclelland47__> guess this is what I get for joining more than one of these
[18:09] <tmcclelland47> Either way, I don't care..
[18:42] <tmcclelland47> people are still on this thing????
[19:41] <internalstorage> .
[19:57] <internalstorage> slm
[19:57] <internalstorage> hacilar
[19:57] <internalstorage> nsnz inş
[19:57] <internalstorage> is plugged in. Tap to unplug.
[20:17] <glofuss> HeyHo
[20:39] <Deepak> Hi
[20:39] <Deepak> Is it still live?
[22:51] <Daniel____> Welcome everybody


[18:59] <pavlushka> hey groudon_ , give us some sign that your stay here is on purpose
[19:13] -ChanServ:#ubuntu-bd- pavlushka set flags -AOViov on u-la-la
[20:59] <LjL> hey NickServ why do i need to know about flag changes
[21:19] <pavlushka> LjL: howdy
[21:19] <LjL> hi
[21:20] <pavlushka> LjL: you know the answer of your question right?
[21:20] <LjL> actually i don't, but i do know NickServ can't answer it
[21:20] <LjL> i would have to ask some of those shady staffer types
[21:21] <pavlushka> LjL: the channel log mode is verbose, that's the reason
[21:21] <LjL> ah
[21:21] <pavlushka> LjL: just to make it sure no one does anything silently
[21:22] <LjL> right
[21:22]  * LjL has flashbacks of when he had access to that UbuntuIrcCouncil user


[01:45] <prpplague^2> ho ho hum
[01:45] <prpplague^2> new laptop is working pretty well
[04:26] <rsavoye> mine too
[04:27] <rsavoye> I added a 16GB SD card to a a Sharp NetWalker, so very portable ARM build machine
[04:32] <DanaG> hmm, can you run ubuntu on it?  Lucid and Maverick, specifically.
[04:33] <DanaG> ah, Freescale i.MX515.
[04:33] <DanaG> A bit expensive for the specs, though.
[04:36] <rsavoye> I'm running a maverick chroot
[04:36] <rsavoye> yeah, pricy compared to the other imx51 machines, but smaller, and has a touchscreen and keyboard
[04:37] <rsavoye> I couldn't find anything else that was actually available. got a road trip ion a few days...
[04:37] <rsavoye> at least it'
[04:37] <rsavoye> s twice as fast as a beagleboard :-)
[04:42] <ojn> Talk about setting the bar low. :-)
[04:45] <nima> error: implicit declaration of function '__cpu_to_be16'
[08:56] <hrw> morning
[09:39] <Baybal> evening
[10:24] <ndec> ogra: hi. is it possible for me to know which version of package was pulled in a daily image?
[10:29] <ogra_cmpc> ndec, not currently, i'm working on a fix for deploying the .manifest files for preinstalled images
[10:30] <ndec> ogra_cmpc: thx. so which kernel version was used in the 09/06 image?
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> ndec, the latest from sebjan's tree
[10:31] <ogra_cmpc> ndec, but still the ES1 x-loader so i think they wont boot ... new x-loader was just uploaded and i'll do a 0906.1 image as soon as it shows up in the archive
[10:31] <ndec> ogra_cmpc:  thx. I think this isn't the latest but this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/2.6.35-903.8, right? bryan has made a new pull request over the week end for 8-layer board.
[10:32] <ndec> ogra_cmpc: ok. i see. so the current image will work on 6 layer ES2.0. on 8-layer the USB host isn't working (as per my email)
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> yes, its the one we got during the beta freeze
[10:33] <ogra_cmpc> ndec, ok, i'll make sure we'll get the patch in asap
[10:52] <ogra> cooloney, are you on top of the above ^^^^ ?
[10:59] <cooloney> ogra: i just got my new ES2.0 board booting with the kernel 903.9 based on sebjan's latest tree
[10:59] <ogra> builds for 20100906.1 are running, we should have a working ES2.0 (6 layer) image in about 2h
[10:59] <ogra> cooloney, 6 or 8 layer ?
[10:59] <cooloney> ogra: will test the usb host soon
[10:59] <ogra> (6 layer is painted black, 8 is green)
[10:59] <cooloney> ogra: it's 8 layer, green one
[11:00] <ogra> ok
[11:03] <cooloney> ogra and ndec, usb host works on my es2.0 8 layer board
[11:03] <ogra> with the current kernel package from the archive ?
[11:06] <ndec> cooloney: ^^^^
[11:08] <cooloney> ndec: http://people.canonical.com/~roc/kernel/omap4/
[11:08] <cooloney> i just prepared a branch for our ti-omap4 updates
[11:08] <ndec> cooloney: so this is with all patches from sebjan, not current archive, right?
[11:08] <cooloney> it is based on sebjan's latest branch
[11:09] <cooloney> ndec: yeah, exactly
[11:09] <cooloney> it is still waiting for review and pull
[11:14] <ogra> ah, k
[11:41] <persia> ndec, If you've *booted* a daily image, `dpkg -l ${packagename}` will tell you which version you have (although the .manifest files will let one discover that without booting)
[11:42] <ogra> i just added a fix for the manifest files
[11:42] <ogra> next builds should have it
[11:43] <persia> Are you running one manually, or tomorrow's daily?
[11:43] <ogra> manually atm
[11:44] <ogra> for ES2.0 ...
[11:44] <ogra> we had a gcc breakdown over the weekend, so i held back the x-loader fixes
[11:44] <ogra> and only uploaded them this morning
[11:44] <persia> Saw that.  Much thanks to ScottK for helping sort that.
[11:49] <ogra_> grmpf
[11:50]  * ogra mumbles something about disconnects
[11:50] <persia> Someone needs to write a good multi-host IRC client.  I've heard of irssi scripts that try, but there's no good reason we oughtn't be able to have two proxies on two hosts, and have our clients connect to the proxies, and have it all get sorted.
[11:51] <ogra> well, if my line goes down a proxy behind the gw doesnt help much
[11:51] <ogra> down is down
[11:52] <persia> The idea would be to put one proxy behind e.g. your line, and one proxy behind e.g. my line (and let me have a proxy behind yours), and we'd not lose backscroll.
[11:52] <persia> which makes disconnects less bad, assuming the client has infinite backscroll features (like e.g. quassel)
[11:52] <ogra> or xchat
[11:53] <persia> xchat doesn't have infinite backscroll, does it?
[11:53]  * persia hasn't found a way to have more than about a week before xchat crashes on startup
[11:53] <ogra> i have logs since 2004 for the ubuntu channels on my disk
[11:53] <ogra> several gig
[11:54] <persia> But can you reach them with PgUp in your client?
[11:54] <ogra> no and i wouldnt want to :)
[11:54] <ogra> i have 5000 line scrollback set or some such, for more i look at the local logs
[11:55] <persia> Makes sense.  Having infinite backscroll basically just integrates the experience of looking at the logs, as one does it in one's client.
[11:55] <persia> Anyway, well-off-topic for this channel :)
[11:55] <ogra> heh, yeah
[11:55] <ogra> persia, did you see the new pulse bug above ?
[11:56] <ogra> oh, it wasnt on IRC ... only in mail
[11:56] <ogra> bug 631362
[11:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631362 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Include several configuration files (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631362
[11:58] <persia> I don't like it architecturally (we ought sort things so that we don't need to do that), but that's long-term, really.  I have no objections for maverick, assuming that it either backports sanely, or there's a new upstream pull for Maverick anyway.
[11:58] <ogra> yeah, i'm waiting for TheMuso to reply
[11:58] <ogra> i pinged him in -devel ... assuming he's back from vac.
[11:59] <persia> He is, but you pinged him late local time.
[11:59] <ogra> yep
[11:59] <ogra> persia, oh, btw, did you see my ping on the weekend ?
[12:00] <ogra> i have access to toshiba ac100's for 380€ here
[12:00] <ogra> (tegra2 based netbook)
[12:00] <persia> I did.  It's larger and heavier than I like, and has less battery power than other devices I can source locally.
[12:00] <persia> Err, less battery life.
[12:01] <persia> Oh, and it has the same annoying issue of needing special kernels :(
[12:01] <ogra> yes
[12:01] <ogra> its very very light though
[12:01] <persia> That said, if you're planning to make a clean kernel available (or know someone who is), I'll take one as a buildd.
[12:01] <ogra> i took a look on saturday
[12:01] <persia> It's heavier than a netwalker :p
[12:01] <ogra> but has a full sized kbd and reasonable display
[12:02] <ogra> sure, even my n900 is heavier than a netwalker i guess :)
[12:02] <persia> I think n900 is about 30g lighter than netwalker.  netwalker and ac100 have the same resolution.
[12:02] <ogra> (given the amount of metal in the case)
[12:02] <ogra> i did say resolution above on purpose (since i knew you would come up with that) ;)
[12:03] <ogra> *didnt
[12:03] <persia> heh, you said "reasonable display": I prefer DPI to size :)
[12:03] <persia> Anyway, food.
[12:03] <ogra> enjoy
[12:46] <rsalveti> morning
[12:46] <ogra> heya
[12:50] <rsalveti> hm, cooloney is not here anymore
[12:51] <ogra> any issues ?
[12:53] <rsalveti> ogra: not much, I sent an email with my current issues already, just wanted to hear more testing feedback from current sebjan's tree
[12:53] <ogra> ah
[12:53] <ogra> well, the USB issues with 8 layer boards seem to be in the works
[12:53] <rsalveti> it's the last bit to have es2 6 and 8 layer support
[12:54] <rsalveti> cool
[12:54] <ogra> right, i guess there is a pull request for it (that was discussed above)
[12:54] <rsalveti> now we just have the weird bug we face when building the kernel
[12:54] <rsalveti> when using 1gb
[12:54] <ogra> rsalveti, on a sidenote the 20100906.1 image should have all your x-loader changes
[12:54]  * ogra is just zsyncing
[12:54] <rsalveti> ogra: nice, will do the same, thanks
[12:55] <rsalveti> ogra: then we can start using 1gb already, but need to change the kernel cmd line at jasper
[12:55] <sebjan> rsalveti: I did some more testing: I cannot reproduce the issue if I disable highmem support in the kernel config (so around 760M are acces-able without highmem)
[12:55] <ogra> i would have uploaded earlier, but the gcc desaster somehow kept me from it (wouldnt have built until this morning anyway due to it)
[12:56] <ogra> rsalveti, jasper was uploaded too
[12:56] <rsalveti> ogra: oh, cool
[12:56] <rsalveti> sure, np
[12:56] <ogra> i still need to modify persia's patch but decided to make the change first
[12:56] <rsalveti> sebjan: interesting
[12:56] <rsalveti> sebjan: did you test without smp?
[12:56] <sebjan> rsalveti: I can easily reproduce problems by using memtester
[12:56] <persia> ogra, Anything you didn't like about my patch, or just integration with the moving trunk?
[12:57] <rsalveti> sebjan: nice, easier
[12:57] <ogra> persia, the changes of the defaults in omap4 need to be adjusted
[12:57] <sebjan> rsalveti: with memtester, I can reproduce the issue with 'nosmp'
[12:57] <ogra> persia, your patch is fine by the looks of it
[12:57] <sebjan> rsalveti: sudo memtester -p 0xb0000000 120
[12:57] <persia> Ah, good.  Yeah, any changes need to get integrated into that :)
[12:58] <sebjan> rsalveti: when it cashes, it's quite fast
[12:58] <rsalveti> sebjan: hm, interesting
[13:06] <ndec> persia: thanks for your comment... i was looking for package version before booting the image ;-)
[13:07] <persia> That *should* be available soon, based on the traffic in the relevant channel.
[13:08] <ogra> my patch sdaly had a thinko ... already doing a rebuild
[13:12] <ogra> ndec, et voila ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.manifest
[13:12] <ogra> err
[13:12] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.manifest indeed :)
[13:13] <rsalveti> awesome
[13:13] <ogra> GrueMaster, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.manifest with love and kisses :)
[13:13] <ogra> (he is waiting the longest for it i think :) )
[13:15]  * ogra takes a break
[13:32] <ndec> ogra: thanks for the image, and thanks for the manifest !
[13:33] <ndec> ogra: i downloaded beta image, how do I use zsync now? never used it...
[13:34] <ogra_cmpc> you need the .gz file from last download around
[13:34] <ndec> ogra: so I can't do this from the beta .gz...
[13:35] <ogra_cmpc> then in the same dir you just call zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz.zsync
[13:36] <ogra_cmpc> it pulls down the .zsync file, compares the changes and then downloads the differences and applies them to the existing .img.gz file
[13:50] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, seems i dont have *any* USB support on the ES2
[13:51] <ogra_cmpc> neither on the 6 nor on the 8 layer
[13:54] <ndec> ogra: guess what... it worked ;-) I had to use '-i' option for the beta file since it has a difference name, but this is much better!
[13:54] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, its quite fast :)
[14:02] <ogra> hrm, i though the USB issue only affects 8 layer boards
[14:05] <rsalveti> ogra: you can try the uImage from http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/maverick/kernel/es2/linux-image-2.6.35-903-omap4_2.6.35-903.8rsalveti1_armel.deb, that includes the latest not-yet released patches
[14:05] <rsalveti> I created to test the new patches we're getting
[14:06] <rsalveti> but I also thought that it'd affect just the 8 layer board
[14:07] <rsalveti> once the image download finish I'll try on my 6 layer
[14:21] <ogra> hmm, i should probably also drop the hardcoded usb0 stuff from jasper now
[14:24] <ogra> hmm, it also looks like the display driver is completely broken now
[14:24] <rsalveti> ogra: yep, should work ok without it
[14:25] <ogra> no output during resize :/
[14:25] <ogra> dang ... it all worked so well before
[14:25] <rsalveti> ogra: this is what I'm getting http://www.flickr.com/photos/rsalveti/4932601965/, but beside that it seems to be working fine
[14:25] <ogra> lucky you
[14:26] <rsalveti> ogra: hm, you probably testing the new hdmi patches for the first time
[14:26] <rsalveti> ogra: are you testing with current deb file or from mine?
[14:26] <ogra> i dont even get a signal
[14:26] <ogra> still with the current image
[14:26] <rsalveti> hm, ok, you could try with mine because we also have some more new patches
[14:26] <ogra> i freshly dd'ed it again, booting the 6 layer ... no display no nothing
[14:27] <rsalveti> and one that fixed a possible regression with many monitors
[14:27] <ogra> i *saw* the oem-config screen already on that image
[14:27]  * ogra doesnt get it
[14:28] <rsalveti> hm
[14:32] <ogra> now thats weird
[14:32] <ogra> seems it didnt even boot at all
[14:32] <rsalveti> ouch
[14:32] <ogra> at the fifth try with the same SD i now get output on the screen and it is *resizing* !
[14:34] <ogra> i dont get why it didnt resize the 4 times before yet
[14:34] <ogra> i guess i should start from scratch and check with serial console set upü
[14:35] <persia> Gruemaster reported a couple cases where it didn't resize on some boots but did on others, with same SD and same image.
[14:36] <persia> Might be something transient, or a race, etc.
[14:36] <rsalveti> ogra: and check your sd card :-)
[14:36]  * rsalveti never saw it
[14:37] <ogra> persia, it doent boot
[14:37] <ogra> *doesnt
[14:37] <ogra> so it doesnt get to the resize step
[14:37] <ogra> i assume the kernel locks up before
[14:38]  * ogra blames lag
[14:38] <persia> I don't have enough information to say if that is the same behaviour or not.
[14:38] <rsalveti> ogra: add earlyprintk=ttyO2 and serial console
[14:38] <rsalveti> then you'll see what's wrong
[14:39] <rsalveti> some instability is expected with the 2.6.35 hehe :-)
[14:39] <ogra> well, thats very odd instability
[14:40] <rsalveti> what we know from now is that the highmem support is making our kernel instable atm
[14:40] <rsalveti> but it should work most of the time, we only got issues when stressing the system
[14:42]  * ogra is brave and tries the ES1
[14:43] <rsalveti> haha, at least your usb will be broken, if you get the kernel to boot
[14:44] <ogra> well, if it would boot :)
[14:44] <ogra> same hang it seems
[14:44] <rsalveti> ogra: any message at your console?
[14:44] <ogra> nope, at least not without fiddling with the cdmline (which i didnt do yet)
[14:45] <ogra> Starting kernel ...
[14:45] <ogra> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[15:01] <ogra> rsalveti, so dropping the mem args seems to make it boot on all boards
[15:04] <rsalveti> ogra: interesting, so the memory issue we saw is affecting more than we wanted
[15:05] <rsalveti> so it seems that the best for now would be to disable highmem and use 760M, as sebjan pointed before
[15:05]  * ogra takes back the 'all' ... doesnt boot the ES1
[15:05] <ogra> but who cares :P
[15:05] <ogra> well, currently i dotn have any mem arg at all
[15:06] <ogra> thats likely wrong too
[15:06] <rsalveti> yup
[15:06] <ogra> but i get through to oem-config at least
[15:06] <ogra> let me add the stuff back and fiddle more with the cmdline
[15:06] <rsalveti> ok
[15:07] <rsalveti> argh, just finished the download, very slow
[15:07] <rsalveti> will test it now
[15:10] <ogra> HA !
[15:10] <rsalveti> ogra: and?
[15:10]  * ogra blames lag ... i said so from the beginning ! i get the same errors he had last week !
[15:10] <ogra> (indeed its not his fault *g*)
[15:11] <rsalveti> ogra: what errors?
[15:11] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/489261/
[15:11] <ogra> good old ASoC
[15:12] <rsalveti> WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-ti-omap4-2.6.34/sound/soc/soc-jack.c:67 snd_soc_jack_report+0x30/0x100()
[15:12]  * rsalveti asks why 2.6.34...
[15:12] <rsalveti> probably just old builddir
[15:12] <ogra> oh, intresting
[15:12] <ogra> that shouldnt be ...
[15:13] <rsalveti> I2C write to TSP61305 failed
[15:13] <rsalveti> ogra: which board are you using?
[15:14] <ogra> the black one
[15:14] <ogra> 6 layer if i'm not wrong
[15:15] <rsalveti> yep
[15:22] <rsalveti> ogra: and for the led to work we still need a patch at u-boot
[15:22] <rsalveti> I sent it already for sakoman, and as soon he get it applied at his tree I'll ping jcrigby to update linaro's package
[15:23] <rsalveti> then we'll have it working
[15:23] <ogra> k
[15:23] <rsalveti> ok, time to try the image with my es2 6
[15:28] <rsalveti> first boot is still with mem=463M, so not mem related
[15:29] <rsalveti> ouch, booom :-)
[15:29] <rsalveti> hm....
[15:29] <rsalveti> Linux version 2.6.34-903-omap4 (buildd@hawthorn) (gcc version 4.4.5 20100728 (prerelease) (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-8ubuntu1) ) #7-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 5 16:12:58 UTC 2010
[15:30] <rsalveti> ogra: ^
[15:30] <rsalveti> linux-image-2.6.34-903-omap4 2.6.34-903.7
[15:30] <rsalveti> linux-image-omap4 <IP_ADDRESS>3.4
[15:31] <rsalveti> no meta upload?
[15:32] <ogra> awwwww !!!!!
[15:32] <ogra> bah !
[15:32] <ogra> rsalveti, you rock !
[15:37] <rsalveti> cool :-)
[15:38] <rsalveti> ogra: we need to ping cooloney to always request a meta-upload when sending a tree update
[15:38] <rsalveti> it's the second time we face similar issues
[15:52] <ndec> ogra: this is really bad luck ;-)
[15:52] <ogra_cmpc> heh, yeah
[15:53] <ogra_cmpc> i could have looked at the manifest file :P
[16:02] <rsalveti> lunch!
[16:16] <ndec> ogra: if the initial install fails for some reasons, is it possible to restart the installer from scratch without reflashing the SD card?
[16:21] <ogra> ndec, fails ? in what way ?
[16:21] <ndec> ogra: i don't know... just an open question ;-)
[16:22] <ndec> ogra: if I don't plug the hdmi before booting, what happens?
[16:22] <ogra> well, if the resizing fails you are kind of screwed
[16:22] <ogra> if the resizing works you will always get to eom-config until you finished it properly
[16:23] <ogra> the critical part is the re-partitioning and resizing
[16:23] <ogra> *oem-config
[16:25] <ndec> ogra: can we get a console prompt on the console by default?
[16:25] <ndec> ogra: I am not asking for a root console, just a prompt
[16:26] <ogra> well, i'm still planning to add teh code that brings up a getty on serial, but that requires that you fiddle with boot.scr and add a console= line
[16:27]  * ogra wont add that by default
[16:27] <ogra> jasper will see a bunch of changes before final freeze, thats one of the ones on my list
[16:35] <ndec> ogra, rsalveti, robclark: i just tested with a new display (Full HD, ACER AT 2355) and it worked out of the box. xrandr tells me 1920x1080p. I just had to set the 'HDMI scan info' to underscan in the TV menu.
[16:36] <ogra> ndec, i suppose not with the kernel on the image though, right ?
[16:37] <ndec> ogra: right, I should have said this... i am using a different MLO, uboot and uImage. the ones that you will get soon too
[16:37] <ogra> i think we wont get any newer MLO anymore
[16:38] <ogra> ours should be the latest
[16:38] <ogra> (uploaded this morning)
[16:38] <ndec> it depends the latest of whom ;-)
[16:39] <ogra> rsalveti pulled teh recent changes from sakoman i think ... i uploaded that today
[16:39] <ogra>   * new upstream release
[16:39] <ogra>    - adds Omap 4 ES2 6 layer and 8 layer support (LP: #624652)
[16:39] <ogra>    - uses branch omap4_panda_L24.9 from http://gitorious.org/pandaboard/x-loader
[16:39] <ogra>    - es2 compatible only
[16:39] <ogra>   * adding 02-panda-fix-ddr-timings.patch and 03-panda-x-loader-emif-1gb-support.patch
[16:39] <ogra>     to have 1gb support
[16:40] <ogra> for u-boot we wait for some additional fixes and for linaro to pull them into the package
[16:42] <ndec> ogra: ok. I logged in with the desktop, not UNE, but apps still open full window. is that expected or is it a bug?
[16:42]  * ogra thinks the bug is rather that you can select a desktop session :P
[16:42] <ogra> well, file one, i'll take a look
[16:43] <ogra> smells like metacity is somehow overridden
[16:43] <ogra> its just silly that we have to ship a full desktop just to make GDM happy
[16:44] <ogra> such a waste of space ...
[16:45]  * ogra really looks forward to http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2010/07/lightdm.html
[16:45] <ogra> then we only need to ship what the session needs (the panel and some applets)
[16:45] <ndec> ogra: i need to open the bug against which package? metacity?
[16:45] <ndec> or gdm?
[16:46] <ogra> nah
[16:46] <ogra> try gnome-session but make clear its arm related and only happens if you have efl too
[16:53]  * ogra goes afk now
[23:29] <playya> it seems, that we might get EFL 1.0 in 11.04 :)


[15:14] <CarstenG> Hi together.
[15:18] <sagaci> hi
[15:18] <hannie> hey guys
[15:19] <hannie> CarstenG, I am halfway taking screenshots for nl.pdf precise-e2
[15:20] <sagaci> hi hannie
[15:20] <CarstenG> Hey Hannie, sounds good
[15:20] <CarstenG> :-)
[15:20] <hannie> hey sagaci how's life?
[15:21] <sagaci> great, copenhagen and london in a few weeks
[15:21] <hannie> CarstenG, 1 question: my mac address shows in the screenshot. Is that dangorous?
[15:21] <hannie> sagaci, are you going to UDS?
[15:21] <hannie> *dangerous
[15:22] <sagaci> hannie: yep
[15:22] <hannie> so I should make it black?
[15:22] <CarstenG> I don't think so. In precise and quantal I didn't care about that.
[15:22] <hannie> ah, sorry that was about UDS
[15:22] <hannie> CarstenG, ok then I'll leave it
[15:22] <CarstenG> But you can smear it, if you want
[15:23] <hannie> in Gimp?
[15:23] <CarstenG> or change it to a fictional one
[15:23] <hannie> ok
[15:23] <CarstenG> yes, I used gimp for smearing, but others can this too, I guess :-)
[15:24] <hannie> sagaci, will you do something in particular at UDS?
[15:24] <sagaci> for u-m? probably not
[15:25] <hannie> no, in general
[15:25] <sagaci> not in particular, no
[15:26] <sagaci> i'm crew for tuesday
[15:27] <hannie> Did you guys see we will be having a session at the Open Week (oct 26)?
[15:27] <CarstenG> What's that, Hannie?
[15:27] <hannie> One moment, I will get the link
.
[15:30] <CarstenG> A, nice
[15:30] <CarstenG> I try to join :-)
[15:31] <hannie> Kevin will do an on-air session. I will put this link on our mailing list
[15:31] <CarstenG> And I see, you have a session there, too!
[15:31] <CarstenG> Great
[15:32] <hannie> yes, first time for me :)