[09:15] <choki> Hello, I've a problem with login theme. It looks like the default lightdm theme and I dont know how to get back the default xubuntu theme
[09:47] <xubuntu77w> how do i verify my xubuntu 16.04 download from trrent
[09:59] <choki> lol
[12:05] <kkv> Hi everyone! Is there any installed by default VNC server in Xubuntu?
[12:05] <kkv> Now I'm following this documentation on Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[12:06] <extinct_potato> I don't think so. You have to install it yourself :)
[12:50] <Morrog> Good morning (UGT)
[12:52] <Morrog> Xubuntu 16.04 infrequently and without apparent reason disables middleclick on my touchpad
[12:52] <Morrog> relevant synclient output http://pastebin.com/fXwdyQQh
[12:52] <Morrog> It clearly shows Tapbutton3=2 and Clickfinger3=2, so it should be working.
[12:52] <Morrog> xev however doesn't even register a three-finger tap
[12:53] <Morrog> how can i hunt down this issue?
[13:12] <ngomes> hello ! i recently notice that xubuntu 16.04 added snapd. can anyone talk a little more about this ?
[13:29] <tmsbrg> ngomes, snap in general or snapd in particular? I'm no expert on either
[13:29] <ngomes> snap in general
[13:30] <tmsbrg> ngomes, Distrowatch has an opinion piece about the new snap and flatpak developments recently which I thought was pretty interesting: https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160704#opinion
[13:31] <cocoony> hallo
[13:31] <cocoony> i install xubuntu 16.04 and its damaged
[13:32] <cocoony> the wifi networks are not visible
[13:32] <cocoony> when i restart they are visible and after some minutes the connection is canceled and the wifi networks are not visible again
[13:33] <cocoony> i make dist-upgrade but didnt help
[13:34] <cocoony> my driver is ath5k
[13:34] <cocoony> and xubuntu 14.04 i read eth0
[13:39] <ngomes> tmsbrg, thanks
[13:39] <tmsbrg> np ngomes
[13:39] <tmsbrg> also cocoony I believe Atheros wifi cards are known for being problematic
[13:40] <tmsbrg> maybe you have the wrong driver and need ath9k or ath10k
[13:40] <tmsbrg> you'll have to find out what your exact device model is
[13:40] <tmsbrg> https://wiki.debian.org/ath5k https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
[13:40] <ngomes> cocoony, also , reading the logs could help . dmesg or journalctl
[13:44] <ngomes> thanks for all , see you next time.
[13:57] <cocoony> sprichst du deutsch ?
[13:57] <cocoony> tmsbrg
[13:59] <tmsbrg> cocoony, I don't, but you can ask people on the German channel #ubuntu-de
[14:06] <ARandomScientist> Do config files found in /etc override those found in a users home, or vice versa? Or is it application dependent? I don't need a terribly long explanation, as I'm just curious.
[14:35] <cocoony> tmsbrg...thx
[14:36] <cocoony> for help
[14:42] <tmsbrg> ARandomScientist, I think it's usually the home config overrides or augments the /etc config. Note that /etc config is system-wide while those in home are specific to one user
[14:43] <tmsbrg> and any changes made in /etc can be overriden when the config files are updated in the software packages
[14:48] <ARandomScientist> tmsbrg, Thanks. Makes sense.
[15:08] <puckz> Hi everyone! I can't connect to a HD connected to my Asus RT-AC66U router using Samba. FTP works, but not SMB. Using Xubuntu 16.04. What might be the problem? Thanks in advance!
[22:02] <Wayward_Vagabond> I seem to be having an issue with my wifi on xubuntu 14.04LTS. It seems to drop the connection if used bandwidth is under a certain threshold for long enough.
[22:03] <mrkramps> chipset?
[22:03] <Wayward_Vagabond> I have to disable, then renable wifi or networking to even see the network I was connected to, but after doing that it automatically reconnects (like it should).
[22:05] <Wayward_Vagabond> Realtek RTL8188CE if I'm looking at the right thing
[22:06] <mrkramps> https://askubuntu.com/questions/456453/realtek-rtl8188ce-wireless-driver-unstable-in-ubuntu-14-04
[22:08] <Wayward_Vagabond> I can see other wireless networks after the connection drops, and it never drops while I'm actively web browsing or downloading a file is what puzzles me
[22:08] <mrkramps> https://askubuntu.com/questions/503763/connection-dropouts-with-realtek-rtl8188ce
[22:20] <Wayward_Vagabond> Installing the altered driver he said he tried, this thing has a /lot/ of dependancies to build
[22:21] <mrkramps> Wayward_Vagabond, sry but it's a common issue with wifi support on linux
[22:22] <mrkramps> possibly your chipset is better supported with 16.04
[22:22] <mrkramps> dunno, i stop fighting with broken wifi and just bought a handfull of different wifi-sticks
[22:24] <Wayward_Vagabond> New driver seems to have installed itself, and reports that it is running via a 'sanity check' script the installer put in
[22:24] <Wayward_Vagabond> marvin@marvin-linux:~/rtl8188ce-linux-driver$ . am_i_using_this_driver.sh
[22:24] <Wayward_Vagabond> [*] You are running the new rtlwifi
[22:25] <Wayward_Vagabond> I would get an external card so I can play with antennas, but this thing doesn't have an express card or pc card slot on it
[22:26] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Wayward_Vagabond, You need only say your location like so.
[22:26] <JohnnyComeL8ly> ~/rtl8188ce-linux-drivers/
[22:27] <Wayward_Vagabond> Thanks for the links, mrkramps, now I just need to wait and see if it drops itself again
[22:28] <Wayward_Vagabond> The way it was acting, it seems like the driver was stable, but something for powersaving was stuck enabled
[22:28] <JohnnyComeL8ly> The other stuff is really irrelevant... it is like giving your street address when somebody asked for your birthdate.
[22:29] <Wayward_Vagabond> It's very tricky to select partial lines on text on here
[22:29] <Wayward_Vagabond> Think it's mainly my mouse is about worn out
[22:30] <JohnnyComeL8ly> It was just fyi... :-)


[00:10] <CheetahPixie> Evening folks.
[00:10] <CheetahPixie> I have a question.
[00:10] <CheetahPixie> I have jack-keyboard set up, and I am trying to get Carla to actually play some audio file.
[00:10] <CheetahPixie> I am, of course, using the relevant plugin.
[00:10] <CheetahPixie> But no matter what note I play, the file won't play.
[03:27] <CheetahPixie> Upon closer inspection, it seems to be giving me a "fatal: no decoder backend available" error.
[04:05] <OvenWerks> CheetahPixie: yup I get that too.
[04:06] <OvenWerks>  As I recall, Carla uses linux sampler internally for that? I could be wrong, but if so, linux sampler can not be packaged in debian or ubuntu for licence reasons
[04:07] <OvenWerks> one might argue that it can't legally be in cluded in any distro...
[16:03] <CheetahPixie> then how would I get that?
[16:07] <OvenWerks> CheetahPixie: "that?" measn what?
[16:07] <CheetahPixie> linux sampler or whatever the audio backend is that I need for this to work.
[16:07] <CheetahPixie> and if it *can't* be packaged, how do I get that?
[16:09] <OvenWerks> linux sampler? down load from https://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html#linuxsampler and build from source.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> Once you have done that you will likely have to rebuild carla from source as well so it knows where the LS binary is.
[16:22] <CheetahPixie> and why can't this be packaged?
[16:23] <OvenWerks> the license is invalid
[16:24] <OvenWerks> if you want it you have to build it.
[16:25] <CheetahPixie> invalid how
[16:27] <OvenWerks> Ask debian. but it is GPL plus extra. that extra effectively makes unusable in packaging.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> As I don't do any of the packaging... I don't know (or care) beyond knowing if I want it I have to build it
[16:28] <CheetahPixie> that's lame
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> CheetahPixie: Here's the short version: LinuxSampler is GPL with a Commercial Exception, meaning everyday people are welcome to download and use it, but it is not to be used for commercial purposes.
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, we (Ubuntu) cannot guarantee that someone won't download it an use it for commercial purposes, therefore, it's off-limits.
[16:30] <CheetahPixie> then the KXstudio repos are probably gonna be of help to me, after a brief Google.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Be warned: if you add that, you'll get no support here.
[16:30] <CheetahPixie> Wonder why it's discouraged.
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> Because parts of it can break Ubuntu Studio.
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> Basically, you're no longer running Ubuntu Studio once you add that repo.
[16:53] <CheetahPixie> I find it weird that ubuntu studio requires this, of all distros
[16:55] <OvenWerks> requires what? "this" is ambigous.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> if you add the kxstudio software you no longer have ubuntustudio, but rather kxstudio and so you would seek support from the creator of kxstudio.
[16:57] <CheetahPixie> no, i'm saying it's weird that ubuntu studio, or ubuntu in general, requires an app to be compiled as opposed to sourced from a repo, even if off in some other corners of the internet just for something to work, but that also makes me ask if anything oher than linuxsampler can be used as a decoder backend to carla
[16:58] <OvenWerks> I would ask the author of kxstudio
[16:58] <OvenWerks> who is the author of Carla
[17:01] <OvenWerks> ubuntu doesn't "require" anything. However, I (personally) could not recomend a repo for supplying a package where the license makes the legallity of that package questionalble.
[17:02] <CheetahPixie> i don't see how the license even makes anything invalid
[17:03] <OvenWerks> I could also point out that the current dvelopers at linux sampler would like to change the license but have been unable to find the original authors of some parts of the code so as to get their aproval for the change.
[17:03] <CheetahPixie> is it large parts?
[17:05] <OvenWerks> what you can see is of no consequence, you may if you wish hire a lawyer to spell it out for you. or you can find it in some repo or you can build it yourself. Those are the options.
[17:06] <OvenWerks> I don't know which parts or how big they are or how much the sw would suffer without them.
[17:07] <OvenWerks> It would be best to ask the developers.
[17:07] <CheetahPixie> the fact it has a noncommercial clause really doesn't tell me why the package is of questionable legality, and would almost send the message of "you have to conform to this select set of licenses or we won't do anything to support any of your work because we consider your package potentially illegal due to an unique license"
[17:07] <OvenWerks> yes
[17:07] <CheetahPixie> but then again i have a migraine and can borderline read nothing due to hallucinations
[17:08] <CheetahPixie> much less have my brain work
[17:09] <OvenWerks> I actually thought Filipe had removed that part of Carla for the latest release.
[18:05] <CheetahPixie> so are there alternatives for loading audio files?
[18:05] <CheetahPixie> I wanted to make a soundboard in Carla.
[18:06] <OvenWerks> What kind of files? wav?
[18:06] <CheetahPixie> Format doesn't matter.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> could try samplv1 or pertifoo. I know there are some other sample player around.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> If your files are drum sounds you may wish to use drumgizmo and the editor to go with it.
[18:11] <CheetahPixie> literally just single use sounds of random miscellaneous nature
[18:22] <OvenWerks> Depending on what you are using it for idjc or lsp (not in studio but there is a package)
[18:23] <OvenWerks> idjc Is a dj kind of thing that plays audio files from a list either in sequence or random with cross fade
[18:24] <OvenWerks> lsp is Linux show player made for playing ramdom sound effects for drama kinds of things
[18:24] <OvenWerks> I think the package is linux-show-player
[18:25] <OvenWerks> but for straight midi note to sound one of the sample player above are probably best.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> unfortunately I can not speak from experience for any of them though I have played around with idjc at one point.
[20:52] <poot> greets. I have a fairly stable 18.04LTS ubuntu setup, and would like to avoid any breakage/reinstall. Is there any recommended practice for installing the backportsPPA and packages to just get the studio stuff installed?


[00:08] <mup> Bug #1751946 opened: [2.4] MAchines fail to deploy with {"current_testing_script_set": ["script set instance with id 5 does not exist."] <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751946>
[16:23] <xygnal> roaksoax: there is a post in my bug report suggestion we try a patch, but the patch would not apply to our 2.3 environment.  (the changes in node.py cannot be found in the file, although all the others are fine)
[16:24] <xygnal> roaksoax: can you elaborate how we would test this for node.py?  1744765


[00:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you there?
[00:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Installation
[00:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think we should try to fix 1 and 2 in the cobbler packaging
[00:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: set it to the host's ip address at least
[00:29] <sparc> Is there a way to get the installer to send it's messages to a remote syslog?
[00:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i'm here
[00:46] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool;  i'd like you to review a cobbler change for me
[00:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah we can definitely do that
[00:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sure! :)
[00:47] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615564/
[00:47] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: something like that
[00:47] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: what do you think?
[00:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: looks good to me and I do think we should override those configs
[00:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: do you have a setup where you could test this?
[00:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes, applying patch now
[00:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool, let me know if it works for you
[00:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm testing here too
[00:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: bug
[00:52] <kirkland>  ... /etc/cobber/settings -> cobbler
[00:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: other than that, worked here for me
[00:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615566/
[00:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i've committed and pushed to bzr
[00:53] <RoAkSoAx> cool, installing now
[00:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: did you fix that bug ^
[00:54] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'll upload to oneiric if it works right for you
[00:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes I'm using your new patch from paste
[00:54] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sweet
[00:57] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i think i just found another bug
[00:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay?
[00:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: whatcha got?
[00:58] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok, so wlan0 is the one who has ip addr from the network
[00:59] <RoAkSoAx> while br0 is the bridge for eth0
[00:59] <RoAkSoAx> that i'm not using atm
[00:59] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ruh roh
[00:59] <RoAkSoAx> but when I run this: awk 'END {print $1}' /proc/net/route
[00:59] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[00:59] <RoAkSoAx> I get br0 as the interface, instead of wlan0
[01:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[01:00] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: this is how ip route sh shows:
[01:00] <RoAkSoAx> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0  proto static
[01:00] <RoAkSoAx> default dev br0  scope link  metric 1003
[01:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: which interface makes most sense here?
[01:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: in my case wlan0 as is the one who is really working and if I would like it to work out of the box it wouldn't
[01:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but maybe it is a corner case
[01:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, this is a tough one
[01:02] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but giving a second though, let's just not worry about it just yet cause we just need to ensure it grabs a default route interface
[01:02] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: and in my cause, I have 2 default routes, which should be avoided
[01:03] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: and if this comes as a bug with someone having multiple interfaces, then we can deal with it, unless, we ask a debconf question
[01:04] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so we could just set the defaults the way you did it right now... but still asking the user whether we should keep that address or change it for another one, resolving the issue of having to deal with multiple interfaces on which two of them might have been misconfigured as default routes
[01:10] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cause otherwise it just works well
[01:10] <monaDeveloper> Hi, Every time I launch an ubuntu ec2 instance I just can login via ssh once with the key assigned after that I get Permission denied
[01:10] <monaDeveloper> (publickey)
[01:10] <monaDeveloper> I run ssh -i mykey ubuntu@ec2instance via my bash of course my OS is ubuntu natty.
[01:12] <monaDeveloper> any advice?
[01:12] <monaDeveloper> is there a specific room for ubuntu ec2?
[01:14] <rewt> are there instructions there saying that that's a one-time key and you have to generate your own key for subsequent logins?
[01:15] <RoAkSoAx> so yeah i/win 3
[01:15] <RoAkSoAx> arghh
[01:16] <monaDeveloper> no
[01:21] <rewt> are you running ec2-run-instances with the -k option?
[01:21] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: updated docs aswell already
[01:27] <monaDeveloper> actually I'm accessing a running instance that was launched via aws console
[01:27] <monaDeveloper> so I login without firing ec2-run-instances
[02:09] <zul> hallyn: around?
[02:12] <hallyn> zul: yeah
[02:12] <zul> hallyn: do you extract the linux4tegra to the flash as well?
[02:13] <hallyn> no, you just install that onthe pc you'll connect with usb to the netbook
[02:13] <hallyn> and, i did need to patch the install program slightly for it to work for me
[02:16] <zul> gotcha
[02:17] <hallyn> zul: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/615583
[04:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: agreed, sounds reasonable
[05:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, well my changes are committed to the lp:ubuntu/cobbler branch
[05:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: feel free to release those whenever you're ready!
[05:05] <airtonix> if i followed this guide to creating a self signed cert for development purposes only, do i need to add more hostnames to the cert if they are just subdomains ?
[05:05] <airtonix> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html
[06:02] <airtonix> strange, if i $ mount --bind source target then add target to /etc/exports as /exports/target and mount from a client i can see the contents of target on the server, but if i use a equiv mount command from fstab the contents of target are hidden
[06:05] <airtonix> maybe not, probably just the funky /etc/exports options i was using as per the autofs wiki page
[08:41] <_ruben_> bugger .. my local repo mirror doesn't have enough space left to mirror natty (or even oneiric)
[10:23] <jits1998> hello
[11:18] <kickar> hey guys can someone help me to install php 5.2 and php 5.3 , so I can have both on the same machine?
[11:26] <soren> No.
[11:29] <koolhead11> soren, heh
[11:31] <kickar> is it possible at all ?
[11:31] <soren> no
[11:32] <soren> If it were, someone could help you.
[11:33] <koolhead11> kickar, why would someone do that?
[11:33] <qman__> it is technically possible, but would require two separate web servers compiled from scratch in their own segregated areas
[11:33] <qman__> which is definitely not a supported solution
[11:33] <kickar> I found some howtos and tried but no luck
[11:33] <kickar> I have a couple of sites that returns error in php 5.#
[11:33] <kickar> 5.3
[11:34] <soren> Fix them.
[11:34] <kickar> is there a solution for that ?
[11:34] <soren> 5.2 isn't supported.
[11:35] <kickar> one of the apps that I am using is openx, and I hardly can rewrite their code
[11:37] <zul> then its a bad app
[11:37] <qman__> 5.2 to 5.3 isn't a major leap
[11:37] <qman__> not like php4 to php5
[11:37] <qman__> some stuff broke, but it's not a complete rewrite type of fix
[11:38] <qman__> if the package STILL isn't updated for 5.3, I wouldn't want to run it anyway
[11:38] <kickar> i tried to install php 5.2 from source but couldn't get it to run anyway
[11:39] <qman__> as others have mentioned, 5.2 isn't supported
[11:39] <qman__> I'm talking about your web app
[11:39] <qman__> fix it yourself, complain to the authors, or find a different app
[11:39] <qman__> those are the best solutions
[11:43] <koolhead11> kickar, i doubt that would be a major issue. Openx is a well known ad-server IMHO
[11:45] <jkakar> I have an Upstart init script for my application, which depends on PostgreSQL... I can't seem to figure out how to make it start on boot, after PostgreSQL has started... any ideas/pointers?
[11:45] <koolhead11> kickar, you can also try #openx :P
[11:46] <kickar> thanks
[11:46] <soren> jkakar: I forget...   It'd be nice if we had one init system for everything.
[11:48] <jkakar> One that was easy to debug for bonus points. :)
[11:48] <koolhead11> jkakar, +1 :D
[11:56] <jkakar> Okay, I found a solution.
[11:57] <jkakar> I was using 'start on started network' before and it wasn't starting at all... now I'm using 'start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)'.
[11:58] <soren> jkakar: Yeah, that's a fairly common pattern.
[11:58] <jkakar> There's a race with PostgreSQL, but we're using 'respawn' and our application does a start-up check to make sure it can connect to the database... if it can't, it bails... it gets restarted and eventually PostgreSQL is up so things work.
[11:58] <jkakar> A but ugly, but it works.
[11:58] <jkakar> soren: I don't understand why 'start on started network' didn't work, though.
[11:59] <soren> Not sure.
[14:48] <sommer> morning all :-)
[14:52] <ssureshot> can you specify */6 to run a job every six days ?
[14:52] <ssureshot> in crontab ?
[14:53] <patdk-wk> I don't believe it will
[14:53] <Pici> ssureshot: sure
[14:53] <Pici> why not/
[14:53] <patdk-wk> pretty sure the *count* starts over at 0
[14:53] <Pici> hmm
[14:53] <ssureshot> why not what I'm asking myself why it didn't run this morning .. I set it last thursday..
[14:54] <ssureshot> 0 9 * * */6 /usr/local/bin/app
[14:54] <patdk-wk> I'm saying it undrestands that as running */6 times
[14:55] <patdk-wk> and as only 6/6 will satasfy that, it will only run on day 6
[14:56] <ssureshot> ah,, roger that.. so any */# will run on the day that number corresponds to
[14:56] <zul> hey sommer
[14:57] <plm> Hi all
[14:58] <plm> people, my server a re with date correct. but when I create a directory ou send file to server date is worong.. why?
[14:58] <plm> where I configure to proftpd use date of Operating System?
[15:02] <plm> anyone?
[15:09] <jMCg> plm: have you checked proftpd's documentation?
[15:10] <jMCg> By default, you see, most sane servers just use UTC and so should your OS, btw :)
[15:11] <BrixSat> hello im trying to boot a live cd on a pc with disk problems, how can i disable ubuntu to check disk errors?
[15:11] <BrixSat> so i can recover something
[15:28] <luite> is there a customized selinux ubuntu policy available from somewhere, something that's a bit more usable (that allows sshd to run /bin/bash for example...)
[15:30] <jMCg> BrixSat: why would a live cd do that?
[15:30] <jMCg> luite: AppArmor :)
[15:34] <hallyn> luite: i'm hoping to get to that soon in the ubuntu policy.  fel free to fix it if you can
[15:34] <hallyn> there is an ssh module, so it is a bug
[15:36] <luite> hallyn: I'm still investigating whether to use apparmor or selinux, don't have experience with customizing profiles for either.
[15:36] <hallyn> oh, then stick with aa - supported :)
[15:36] <sommer> I have some time to do some iso testing... how much of that is automated?  just don't want to waste my time double checking something that isn't needed :-)
[15:39] <luite> I need something that lets some daemon change its own security context (looks like both can do that) to something safe enough for execution of arbitrary code uploaded by users
[15:41] <luite> apparmor policies look a bit easier to make
[15:42] <hallyn> luite: seccomp?  :)
[15:42] <luite> hallyn: nah that's too limited, the code still needs some file access, just very limited (no network though)
[15:44] <hallyn> put it in empty netns
[15:44] <hallyn> then aa for file access
[15:45] <jdstrand> luite: for apparmor, you might be interested in http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Documentation, specifically http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Pam_apparmor_example
[15:45] <jdstrand> luite: iirc, there is some stuff with changehat for ssh. you could ask in #apparmor on oftc for more info on either
[15:47] <luite> ah thanks, was already reading the first link, but the example looks instructive :)
[15:47] <duli> How do I know if a service is permanently on, meaning it will be started after reboot?
[15:49] <luite> are there major differences between selinux and apparmor in what can be defined in policies?
[16:01] <jamespage> hey sommer: take a look here - http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/oneiric-server/
[16:02] <jamespage> this is what is currently automated.
[16:02] <sommer> jamespage: ah sweet
[16:02] <jamespage> that said its nice to have manual tests as well as they do (sometimes) pickup UI issues.
[16:39] <ScottK> jamespage: How does one get additional tests added to that?
[16:42] <jamespage> ScottK: well to start with the preseed and the tests need to be developed and integrated into the ubuntu-server-iso-testing project (see http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-iso-testing)
[16:42] <SpamapS> sommer: o/ !
[16:42] <sommer> SpamapS: hello hello :-)
[16:42] <ScottK> jamespage: I was thinking of seeing if we could get some Kubuntu tests added in there.
[16:42] <jamespage> I'm hoping to fine some time this cycle to make it a bit easier as at the moment it requires the project to be re-build and re-installed on all of the test nodes
[16:42] <SpamapS> sommer: BTW, the RAID1 tests aren't automated, so that would be a good one to do. :)
[16:43] <sommer> SpamapS: working on that now actually... for i386 anyway
[16:43] <SpamapS> sweet!
[16:43] <ScottK> jamespage: If I aim a Kubuntu/QA oriented person at you, could you help them get set up?
[16:43] <jamespage> that would be a good use case - jibel has done alot of work automating the desktop and alternate ISO install testing using the same framework
[16:43] <SpamapS> sommer: I put in a fix early in oneiric so let me know if you have any problems
[16:44] <sommer> SpamapS: will do, thanks man
[16:44] <jamespage> ScottK: absolutely
[16:44]  * jamespage thinks we might need a bigger server soon
[16:46] <ScottK> Great.
[16:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hiya
[16:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: would you mind releasing/uploading cobbler sometime soon-ish?
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy! yeah I wanna do that right now... I'm gonna dd the debconf stuff later... just finishing 1 minor powernap thingy
[16:59] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sweet
[16:59] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: regarding powernap... i had something i wanted to ask you about
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: shoot
[17:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm wondering if it ever makes sense to run powernap in a virtual machine
[17:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm guessing "no", except for our own testing purposes
[17:00] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I actually though about it and wasw trying to find its uses
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the only thing that I came up with is that it will serve as a monitoring system to pretty much poweroff a VM whenever it was not needed
[17:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i bet it'll have a very minimal impact on the host
[17:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, yeah
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cause in terms of power savings, doesn't really make any sense (specially using pm-powersave)
[17:01] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: anyway, I was thinking we should have a check, and if not explicitly enabled, I think we should disable powernap if we can tell we're running in a virtual machine
[17:02] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: at which point, I'd like to make orchestra-client recommend powernap
[17:02] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: such that orchestra-managed clients are running powernap in powersave mode by default
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah... I guess we could have a pre-start in the upstart script that actually checks that
[17:03] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, that sounds good
[17:04] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: how do we tell if we're running in a vm, though?  is there a common function we can use
[17:05] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's the problem :).., might there be anything under /proc that tells us that?
[17:05] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hacky, but there's /proc/cpuinfo
[17:06] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i swear there was a new tool that did this ...
[17:06] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: maybe facter?
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> negronjl: ^^ can facter tell us if we are running in a VM?
[17:07] <negronjl> RoAkSoAx: no but, you can use fact-add ( facter-customfacts-plugin ) to add a fact to that effect.
[17:07] <RoAkSoAx> negronjl: ok thanks
[17:07] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, facter
[17:07] <smoser> jamespage, around ?
[17:07] <jamespage> smoser: yep
[17:07] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but, if we use facter, would it make sense to add the check logic to the upstart job?
[17:08] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sudo apt-get install facter
[17:08] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: facter
[17:08] <smoser> we need test of oneiric
[17:08] <smoser> images
[17:08] <negronjl> RoAkSoAx: ie:  fact-add <some_new_fact> <some_new_value>
[17:08] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: facter virtual
[17:08] <negronjl> RoAkSoAx: ie: fact-add vm true
[17:08] <zul> kirkland: im going to be doing an upload for cobbler on friday
[17:08] <negronjl> kirkland:  virtual is also used on EC2/UEC so it can be confusing
[17:08] <jamespage> smoser: right - I'll get it setup to execute then :-)
[17:08] <kirkland> zul: okay
[17:08] <smoser> JAMES PAGE
[17:08] <kirkland> negronjl: right
[17:09] <kirkland> negronjl: no, it already has support for virtual
[17:09] <kirkland> negronjl: we just need to consume that
[17:09] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: my only concern with doing it in upstart is that it's kinda slow
[17:09] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: (takes 0.4s here)
[17:09] <negronjl> kirkland:  the problem with virtual is that it won't tell you whether it is in a VM or in the cloud
[17:09] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: that said, i think it's the right way to solve this
[17:10] <kirkland> negronjl: we don't care about that
[17:10] <negronjl> kirkland: ok
[17:10] <kirkland> negronjl: we just want to know if we're running in a vm, or on physical hw
[17:10] <kirkland> negronjl: so that we can conditionally start powernapd, or not if we're in a vm
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah that's what I was thinking but other than that the check would make sense
[17:10] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: looks like it's in main
[17:10] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: so we can depend on it
[17:11] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, i like it;  you want to hack that into powernap's upstart, or should I/
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but, if we add that we can cause that powernap will never start in a VM if I want it to, if I'm using poweroff as action_method
[17:11] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right, we should allow for an override
[17:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: or in the daemon itself
[17:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: or you could just edit the upstart script locally
[17:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: something like "if vm and action_method is powersave, kill daemon"
[17:13] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, i was thinking "if vm and not vm_override then don't start daemon (exit true)"
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok, we'll have to document that though!
[17:13] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sure
[17:14] <smoser> jamespage, before going full out, let me sniff boot of a couple different instance types.
[17:14] <smoser> at least recently m1.large would not boot
[17:14] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: alrighty then, makes sense to me
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> negronjl: thanks btw ;)
[17:18] <negronjl> RoAkSoAx: np
[17:20] <jamespage> OK - I'll do a quick test of the setup
[17:20] <jamespage> smoser: ^^
[17:25] <jamespage> smoser: http://tinyurl.com/3omfdej - seems to work OK; lemme know when you want to run the big one
[17:28] <smoser> jamespage, what does that mean ? m1.small worked?
[17:28] <smoser> if you can ... feel free to run a quick single region single ami launch of all types.
[17:28] <smoser> if m1.small works i'd guess that c1.medium does.
[17:28] <smoser> so amd64 types would be the ones i question
[17:29] <smoser> bug 784345
[17:29] <smoser> i'm testing m1.large now
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: just updated the powernap branch with the second stage action method if you wanna test it (and upload it for me :) )
[17:37] <smoser> m1.large is good, jamespage
[17:37] <smoser> go ahead and kick a full test.
[17:40] <zul> JAMES PAGE
[17:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you need to apply for core-dev, or per-package at least for powernap :-)
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I already did, meeting is next week :)
[17:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sweet
[17:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: did you ever hear back from zonker?
[17:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: about testdrive?
[17:42] <kirkland> (I didn't)
[17:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: nope, didn't hear anything I was wondering if he uses irc
[17:44] <RoAkSoAx> and track him down here
[17:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: talk to akgraner
[17:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: she knows him, works with him regularly
[17:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will do
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: btw.. did you ever ask for the UPS/PDU?
[17:55] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: asked, have not received it yet
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: neither have I
[17:57] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok so I'm uploading your changes to cobbler now cause I don't wnat that branch to get lost or further conflicts and when I add the debconf stuff I'll just do a new upload
[17:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: k
[17:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: just make sure you stay in sync with zul
[17:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: he said he's working on it too
[17:58] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok will do
[17:58] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping! I'm uploading recent kirkland's changes to oneiric
[17:58] <zul> for what cobbler?
[18:24] <smoser> jamespage, did you start test ?
[18:27] <jamespage> smoser: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/oneiric-ec2/job/oneiric_server_ec2/1/
[18:28] <smoser> gratze
[18:35] <hallyn_afk> soren: bug 540446, did you in fact have a patch for that?
[18:45] <ilya> Hello  :)
[18:46] <ilya> I can't get my euca server to talk to the node..network issues i'm assuming
[18:46] <ilya> I'm running 11.04
[18:48] <ilya> All help is very much appreciated :) Thank you
[18:51] <adam_g> is openstack known to be working on oneiric? i noticed yesterday nova-manage was broken and still is today
[18:55] <evilsushi> what are you guys using for a iptables frontend? anyone using shorewall?
[18:55] <evilsushi> just wanted to get some thoughts on what everyone in here may be using.
[18:58] <ilya> Can anyone help me out with getting the cloud/node talking to one another in a private network with a switch?
[18:59] <sommer> evilsushi: ufw is pretty great for servers... it's host based though
[18:59] <guntbert> evilsushi: I tried ufw and shorewall - liked shorewall better
[19:00] <evilsushi> host based?
[19:01] <evilsushi> explain.
[19:01] <evilsushi> guntbert: what did you like about shorewall?
[19:01] <evilsushi> the idea of zones for the network interfaces seems kinda "neat".
[19:01] <evilsushi> are you using shorewall with these type of features?
[19:02] <evilsushi> sommer: does ufw have the idea of a config file?
[19:03] <guntbert> evilsushi: I had the task to provide a very tightly closed router - and it was easier accomplished (for me) with shorewall (I better understood its concept than that of ufw)
[19:05] <ilya> silly uni internet
[19:06] <ilya> here is my ifconfig output for server/node: http://pastie.org/2004371, Am I supposed to add the dns ip to the interfaces file?
[19:07] <sommer> evilsushi: host based meaning not using the server to transfer traffic... ufw doesn't have a config file exactly, but integrates with some packages like samba to open the necessary ports
[19:07] <sommer> evilsushi: if you need to setup a router something like shorewall is probably better suited than ufw
[19:08] <sommer> evilsushi: ufw can be used though, but may require more work :-)
[19:09] <sw0rdfish> when I ssh'd into my vps it said i have mail, lol how do i check that?
[19:12] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: type mail (one way, install and use alpine is another)
[19:12] <sw0rdfish> yep i used my imagination and just typed mail
[19:13] <sw0rdfish> thanks guntbert :)
[19:14] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: :) pine aka alpine is my preferred mail client on CLI
[19:14] <sw0rdfish> i'll install it now
[19:14] <ilya> can anyone see me?
[19:15] <genii-around> ilya: We can see what you type, yes
[19:16] <ilya> genii-around: great :) now if only they could have acknowledged that :) Thank you for doing that
[19:23] <sw0rdfish> wow guntbert thanks alpine is pretty cool
[19:24] <sw0rdfish> listen is there a program or just a way to download stuff into my vps
[19:24] <sw0rdfish> via http links
[19:24] <sw0rdfish> but well i guess wget will have to do it...
[19:24] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: you're welcome :-)  - w3m is apretty web browser, wget for direct download
[19:25] <sw0rdfish> w3m
[19:25] <sw0rdfish> a cli web browser?
[19:25] <sw0rdfish> nice
[19:25] <sw0rdfish> i think i'll install it
[19:25] <sw0rdfish> i'll install webmin too....it looks cool
[19:25] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: of course :), and while you are installing: take screen too  - no, don't use webmin
[19:25] <guntbert> !webmin
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> oh :o
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> aww damn!
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> i loved their screenshots
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> in their website
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> :(
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> it seemed like a cool program to handle your server via gui stuff
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> via web-based gui server thingy
[19:26] <sw0rdfish> but oh well
[19:27] <sw0rdfish> is there something like it out there good with ubuntu?
[19:27] <guntbert> well, the *screenshots* won't hurt anything :)
[19:27] <sw0rdfish> is there something like it out there good with ubuntu?
[19:27] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: not to my knowledge
[19:27] <sw0rdfish> guntbert: i'ma google it, :)
[19:28] <sw0rdfish> while i'm installing it take screen? what ya mean by that guntbert
[19:28] <guntbert> !info screen
[19:29] <ilya> when setting up eucalyptus, do i need to add dns information to the interfaces file?
[19:30] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: yes, links2 even can disply images
[19:30] <sw0rdfish> :o
[19:30] <sw0rdfish> NiCE!
[19:30] <sw0rdfish> think i'll get links2
[19:30] <sw0rdfish> then
[19:30] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pulled powernap, will review on the plane
[19:31] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: please don't crosspost across ubuntu channels, and take it easy on the <enter> key - especially in #ubunutu
[19:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool, thanks!
[19:32] <sw0rdfish> lol ok
[19:32] <sw0rdfish> i thought they're different channels, but no big deal...
[19:33] <frewsxcv> i'm installing ubuntu server and it's asking me what i want to install. what is "Basic Ubuntu Server"
[19:33] <sw0rdfish> whats with irc channels and enter key, can they really get hurt with it
[19:33] <guntbert> sw0rdfish: they are, but some helpers read both (and some more...)
[19:33] <guntbert> !enter
[19:34] <guntbert> busy channels are scrolled even fatser
[19:34] <guntbert> *faster
[19:35] <sw0rdfish> ok gotcha.
[19:59] <sidnei> is the kernel-ppa the right place to get lts-backport kernels for lucid?
[19:59] <frewsxcv> anyone have any idea why when i boot grub i get: error: fd0 read error
[19:59] <frewsxcv> i think it has to do with me having a software raid
[20:19] <smoser> jamespage, still around ?
[20:20] <smoser> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/oneiric-ec2/job/oneiric_server_ec2/1/ what does red mean ?
[20:21] <osmosis> all of a sudden out of nowhere my server started having major IO issues. related to any updates?
[20:39] <osmosis> My io times dropped without any detectable cause.  system reboot seems to have fixed.  bug?
[20:39] <jamespage> smoser: well it means that something did not happen according to plan
[20:39] <jamespage> for example a) server did not start-up correctly first time and had to be rebooted.
[20:39] <jamespage> b) unable to run tests for some reason
[20:39] <smoser> ...
[20:41] <smoser> cloud-config failed across the board
[20:41] <smoser> but i dont know why
[20:42] <smoser> ie, please help, jamespage
[20:42] <jamespage> ERROR:root:Something bad happened Unable to execute in-instance tests.
[20:45] <smoser> where do you see that?
[20:47] <smoser> ah... it looks like our udev friend is much more common now
[20:47] <jamespage> hmmm - it would appear that executing the in-instance tests results in a non zero return code
[20:48] <jamespage> that message is at the bottom of the log in all of the cloud init tests I've looked at so far.
[20:48] <smoser> i think that the instances are not coming up with networking
[20:48] <smoser> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/oneiric-ec2/job/oneiric_server_ec2/1/ARCH=amd64,REGION=ap-southeast-1,STORAGE=instance-store,TEST=simple-user-data,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/artifact/None/amd64/m1.large/instance-store/i-793b8f2c/268a2649-0f8c-4a6b-aa66-621243928a07-running.console.txt
[20:48] <smoser> yeah.
[20:48] <smoser> well, that is good that it is more reproducible
[20:50] <jamespage> yep - there is alot of that
[20:50] <jamespage> even if a reboot fixes that it will cause a test failure = red blob
[20:51] <smoser> well, thats good
[20:51] <smoser> "reboot fixes my problem" isn't really ok here
[20:51] <smoser> :)
[20:52] <jamespage> really? and I though servers just not starting was normal :-)
[20:52] <jamespage> I think the other issue might be a bit of a bug in the framework
[20:53] <jamespage> all of the cloud-init tests add a ppa - which does not have oneiric content
[20:53] <jamespage> apt-get update might return a non-zero
[20:53] <soren> It certainly will.
[20:53]  * soren had this problem on his first oneiric test box
[20:56] <jamespage> would that cause the calling script to return non-zero as well?  it does not use '-e' so will not fail
[20:58] <jamespage> bah - thats definately the problem
[20:59] <jamespage> smoser - so that looks like a change in return code for something called during the in-instance tests - we can make that script a bit more rugged
[20:59] <jamespage> I want to change it so it runs out-of-band from Jenkins anyway
[21:00] <smoser> ah...
[21:00] <smoser> yeah, the ppa will screw things up.
[21:00] <smoser> suck
[21:00] <smoser> what ppa is it?
[21:00] <smoser> i will add a oneiric so it doesn't fail
[21:00] <smoser> we should assert that the ppa is sane
[21:01] <jamespage> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/oneiric-ec2/job/oneiric_server_ec2/1/ARCH=amd64,REGION=eu-west-1,STORAGE=ebs,TEST=cloud-config,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/artifact/tests/cloud-config/ud-cloudconfig-01.txt
[21:02] <jamespage> hmm - prob should have tiny url'ed that one
[21:02] <sidnei> smoser, speaking of ppa, do you know which ppa can i find the lts-backport kernels in? i suspect kernel-ppa it is, but the description says 'daily builds'
[21:02] <jamespage> thats the cloud-config
[21:02] <h4lfl1ng> how do i check if two computers are talking to one another over a private network using a switch?
[21:02] <smoser> sidnei, don't knwo personally. i think i did the same google as you once.
[21:04] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng: need more information to answer for certain especially if there are more than one route between the hosts etc
[21:04] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng: but traceroute should show you the path that the traffic is taking if any routers are involved
[21:05] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng: if it's only one hop then you can assume that both computers are on the same broadcast domain....but not necessarily the same switch if that's what you're looking for
[21:07] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: the second isn't getting an internet connection, but it should through the first right?
[21:08] <h4lfl1ng_> the server is connected to the internet and switch, and the other pc is connected to switch only
[21:08] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: what other information would you need?
[21:08] <|rt|> only if the first is setup to route the traffic
[21:09] <jamespage> smoser: interestingly the instances of the udev issue seem to be isolated to instance-store instance rather than ebs
[21:09] <jamespage> or at least it seems much worse in those tests
[21:09] <smoser> so faster local disk
[21:10] <jamespage> ebs is faster than instance-store?
[21:11] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|:should ping work to check if there is a connection between the two machines?
[21:13] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: yes...assuming they are in the same subnet you should be able to ping them
[21:15] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|:they are in the same subnet <IP_ADDRESS>, but the second machine has a bridge, which shouldn't matter right?
[21:15] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: and the 2nd also has it's gateway set as the 1st's eth1 ip
[21:16] <h4lfl1ng_> but they don't ping
[21:19] <zertyu> hello there
[21:19] <zertyu> how to check system performance remotely ?
[21:20] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: I don't think the bridge would matter as it's essentially a switch
[21:20] <_Neytiri_> how to i install updates via cmd line?
[21:21] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: I would check the firewalls to make sure you're not blocking pings
[21:22] <zertyu> apt-get update _Neytiri_
[21:23] <zertyu> how to check system performance remotely ?
[21:23] <zertyu> is that possible ?
[21:25] <|rt|> zertyu: are you looking for monitoring and alerting?
[21:25] <zertyu> let me explain the problem what i got, i got small web server i need to upgrade hardware in case  there is lots of usage, i don't know what i have to do
[21:25] <zertyu> to see when i have to upgrade the hardware, as that thing depends on visitors usage
[21:26] <|rt|> zertyu: sar can collect data locally but I tend to prefere munin, cacti, or Zenoss
[21:26] <|rt|> I've also heard good things about Zabbix
[21:26] <zertyu> sorry i don't get you
[21:27] <zertyu> what i need exactly ?
[21:27] <zertyu> do you understand what i mean ?
[21:28] <|rt|> http://munin.ping.uio.no/
[21:28] <|rt|> is that what you're looking for
[21:28] <zertyu> i need to upgrade hardware depending the visiotors
[21:29] <zertyu> where we don't know about the number visitors will come to my site
[21:30] <|rt|> If I understand what you're looking for is that you want to monitor usage and trending data so that you know when you need to upgrade your server(s)
[21:30] <zertyu> yes i simply want to check my system performence
[21:30] <zertyu> regulary
[21:31] <zertyu> and to be notify in case needing to upgrade the hardware
[21:31] <zertyu> is that possible ?
[21:31] <|rt|> sure using any of the packages I mentioned earlier
[21:32] <|rt|> sysstat package includes sar which will collect data on the computer
[21:32] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: this is my ifconfig info for both machines: http://pastie.org/2005277
[21:32] <zertyu> wich one is the best  ?
[21:33] <|rt|> but munin, zenoss, cacti, zabbix, icigna, nagios will all do this sort of thing too
[21:33] <|rt|> zertyu: depends on your needs some of those I mentioned are monitoring and alerting solutions others just collect and display trending data
[21:33] <zertyu> i tell you the needs
[21:34] <zertyu> just only want to notify about my system performence
[21:34] <zertyu> in case of lots of demands
[21:37] <donnie> I just installed Ubuntu server 11.04 on Dell Inspiron E1505. Do i have to install bcmwl-kernel-source like i do in Ubuntu to setup my wifi?
[21:37] <zertyu> so which is the best ?
[21:39] <|rt|> zertyu: I don't think there is a "best" but if you want alerting and monitoring you'll need to use Zenoss, Zabbix, icinga, or nagios
[21:39] <|rt|> zertyu: cacti may have added some alerting though
[21:39] <|rt|> Zenoss is pretty heavy though so I don't know that I woudl use it to monitor one host
[21:39] <|rt|> icigna or nagios would be my choice
[21:40] <|rt|> but you'll need plugins to get the trending data if you want to collect that as they are less integrated than Zenoss and Zabbix in that area
[21:42] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: what are the frame errors on machine 2 eth0
[21:42] <zertyu> just find xymon what do you think about that ?
[21:44] <|rt|> zertyu: looks similar to icigna and cacti but looks unmaintained if the latest release was a couple years ago
[21:44] <|rt|> zertyu: nagios is in ubuntu's repo
[21:45] <hggdh> zul, is the test rig available?
[21:46] <zertyu> well is it possible to monitoring icinga by iphone 4 ?
[21:47] <|rt|> zertyu: I believe so....icinga is just a fork from nagios...think of it as a more open nagios with a nicer web UI
[21:48] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: where do you see the errors? by the way, i just got them talking, but now to figure out how to route the internet connection to the second
[21:49] <zertyu> is it flexible for managing tasks ?
[21:49] <zertyu> i don't have any experience with monitoring services
[21:49] <zertyu> is it flexible for managing tasks ?
[21:50] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: look under the 2nd machine eth0 ifconfig output
[21:50] <|rt|> zertyu: what do you mean by tasks?
[21:51] <zertyu> administrative task
[21:51] <zertyu> administration task
[21:51] <|rt|> zertyu: most monitoring and alerting systems are very flexible to the point that they can be somewhat complex to setup
[21:52] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: oh, i see it now. It's no longer there on the machine. How would i check what the error is anyways?
[21:53] <zertyu> well icinga is it easy for setup ?
[21:55] <|rt|> I don't have any experience with it so no idea
[21:56] <|rt|> I would assume that it's similar nagios though which is a bit picky about it's configuration files which are not always intuitive in the way the different config files interact with each other
[21:56] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: how would i route the traffic with a switch, i found the guide for a system with crossover cable..but this is slightly different. I'll have to do it to 7 other machines
[21:56] <|rt|> but perhaps icinga has moved most config stuff to the web ui
[21:57] <zertyu> thanks lrtl
[21:58] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[22:00] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: at the very least you'll need to enable ipv4 forwarding and setup ip masquerading (NAT)
[22:01] <|rt|> h4lfl1ng_: but why use ubuntu as your gateway?  I tend to use something more geared towards that task like pfSense
[22:02] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: and that would be enough to run apt-get?
[22:02] <|rt|> pfSense is freebsd based so no
[22:03] <h4lfl1ng_> |rt|: oh, it's a distro..ll, i'm creating a cloud setup, this is only temporary. Maybe later we could have a dedicated firewall/router
[22:05] <|rt|> well you can run pfSense as a virtual machine if you set up the virtual networking part correctly
[22:35] <ammar> ubuntu vi editor keybord problem it not wirting my words down how do i fix that
[22:38] <Pici> ammar: This might sound a bit silly, but do you know how to use vi?
[22:48] <zul> hggdh: always has been
[22:48] <hggdh> zul, :-) just checking, better safe, and all that
[22:55] <ammar> ya
[22:56] <ammar> type something it dosnt work but my keybord works
[23:16] <zul> adam_g: around?
[23:20] <pvthodson> So whats new in the server world anything worth trying?
[23:23] <hallyn_afk> ensemble :)
[23:23] <pvthodson> So whats new in the server world anything worth trying?
[23:32] <lynxman> ensemble
[23:36]  * hallyn_afk waits for it....
[23:37] <lau> i am having lots of jbd2/sda6-8(732): WRITE block 273600 on sda6 (8 sectors) on 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[23:38] <lau> it looks like #607560 but I haven't find any work around any idea ?
[23:48] <earthmeLon> Just installed postfix on my new server.  My old server had postfixadmin and used mysql for alias and such.  I am trying to figure out how to get postfix to use the mysql databases that i've imported and such.  Anybody familiar with this?
[23:52] <luite> earthmeLon: you should probably look at /etc/postfix/main.cf from your old server and look for the mysql: type maps
[23:52] <earthmeLon> Thanks luite
[23:52] <luite> (it's been a while since I configured postfix, and I don't know the specifics of postfixadmin, so things might have changed a bit in the meantime)
[23:53] <luite> earthmeLon: anyway these mysql maps refer to other config files that describe how to connect to the database and which column's to use
[23:53] <JanC> there will be separate config files that define the mapping to the database too
[23:53] <JanC> ☺


[00:10] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah ha. The five queries come from package_upload_source_dict[source_file.sourcepackagerelease.id].packageupload.id
[00:10] <StevenK> Trying to key SPRF to upload id
[00:11] <wgrant> Ah
[00:11] <wgrant> To get changesfiles?
[00:13] <StevenK> No, that is fed into CPU so it can populate the objects
[00:15] <wgrant> Ah
[00:18] <StevenK> Which it builds by using IPackageUploadSet.getSourceBySourcePackageReleaseIDs()
[01:30]  * StevenK breaks DistroSeries:+queue :-(
[01:30] <wgrant> What did you do to it?
[01:31] <StevenK> I changed one part of it to no longer use IPackageUploadSet.getSourceBySourcePackageReleaseIDs(), and too make use of PUS only, and now the next method called is looking up SPRF.sourcepackagerelease.id and raising a KeyError when it isn't in the dict.
[01:33] <StevenK> It just wants a mapping of PU id to a list of SPRFs
[01:33] <StevenK> So I might just rewrite it to not be dreadful
[01:53] <StevenK> wgrant: 62 == NEW, 66 == DONE
[01:53] <StevenK> 3 of those are going to be PackageDiff
[01:58] <wgrant> Great.
[02:48] <StevenK> wgrant: I've shifted https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/moar-preload-distroseries-queue-redux/+merge/142056 back to Needs Review, but it's currently cowboyed onto DF.
[03:49] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz review, if you're undistracted?
[03:51] <wgrant> Soon :)
[03:52] <StevenK> wgrant: Shall I pick up bug 1095982 and make AAGs work for lp.View?
[03:52] <_mup_> Bug #1095982: Person.getAffiliatedPillars doesn't filter out inaccessible private projects <403> <easy> <private-projects> <regression> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095982 >
[03:52] <wgrant> StevenK: Maybe, or work out why LimitedView wasn't sufficient to render the link
[03:53] <wgrant> StevenK: You can probably grep for the OOPSes
[03:57] <StevenK> wgrant: Well, an AAG should allow it, by rights
[03:58] <wgrant> StevenK: An AAG should certainly allow LimitedView, and I think it should allow View, but the private projects implementation assumes that an AAG does not give View
[03:58] <wgrant> But I think LimitedView should have been enough to render that page
[03:59] <wgrant> Unauthorized: (<Product at 0x1585a650>, 'displayname', 'launchpad.LimitedView')
[03:59] <wgrant> https://oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-c2e7d50102a3b7d7aca70d699226ebee
[03:59] <StevenK> Clearly not. displayname should remain under View
[04:00] <wgrant> Should it?
[04:00] <wgrant> I wonder how BugTask:+index works
[04:00] <wgrant> Maybe the task table shows title rather than displayname
[04:00] <StevenK> Likely, just thinking about it
[04:10] <StevenK> wgrant: IProduct.userCanView() uses ISharingService.checkPillarAccess
[04:17] <StevenK> wgrant: And checkPillarAccess only checks APGs
[04:18] <wgrant> StevenK: Doesn't the LimitedView adapter do something different?
[04:18] <StevenK> It checks userHasGrantsOnPillar
[04:19] <wgrant> Right
[04:19] <wgrant> That's what I suspected
[04:22] <StevenK> wgrant: So I'm not sure how to tackle this
[04:22] <wgrant> StevenK: How does BugTask:+index render?
[04:22] <wgrant> I assume it uses Product.title rather than Product.displayname
[04:22] <wgrant> Which must mean that title is LimitedView
[04:23] <wgrant> Oh
[04:23] <wgrant> But displayname is LimitedView too, from that exception
[04:25] <wgrant> StevenK: Perhaps userHasGrantsOnPillar doesn't respect team participations
[04:28] <StevenK> That calls IAccessPolicyGrantFlatSource.findArtifactsByGrantee(), which doesn't check TeamParticipation.
[04:28] <wgrant> tsk
[04:29] <StevenK> LimitedView for an AAG, and View for an APG just sounds wrong
[04:33] <StevenK> wgrant: The only that I can see that uses TeamParticipation under APGF is _populateIndirectGranteePermissions
[04:37] <wgrant> StevenK: I don't think AAG == LimitedView && APG == View is feasible to implement fully, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the idea and it's what is mostly implemented today
[04:37] <wgrant> So we would do well to preserve it for now
[04:37] <wgrant> StevenK: _getSharedPillars uses TP and APGF
[04:37] <StevenK> wgrant: Well, it isn't what happens for bugs and branches
[04:38] <wgrant> StevenK: Sure, but bugs and branches don't have subordinate objects that can have their own grants
[04:38] <wgrant> The idea is that a grant on a bug gives you access to just that bug, not all details about the product
[04:38] <StevenK> *cough* stacked branches
[04:38] <wgrant> While a grant on the product gives you access to all
[04:38] <StevenK> :-)
[04:38] <wgrant> Stacked branches are not subordinate
[04:42] <StevenK> Yes, I was mostly trolling badly.
[04:43] <StevenK> It probably feels wrong due to bugs and branches acting differently.
[04:44] <StevenK> _getSharedPillars uses TP and APGF for the owner, but not the grantee
[04:45] <wgrant> So it does
[04:45] <wgrant> It's not quite clear why it checks owner or driver at all
[04:46] <wgrant> Oh
[04:46] <wgrant> Right
[04:46] <wgrant> The owner/driver check is to verify that the current user is allowed to see that the grant exists
[04:47] <wgrant> getSharedProducts lists all direct grants for the *given person* to a product that the *user* owns or drives
[04:47] <wgrant> checkPillarAccess is the privilege checking implementation
[04:47] <StevenK> So from what I can see, there is no mtheod that looks for an AAG while respecting TP.
[04:47] <wgrant> You'll want something similar to that, except on APGF
[04:48] <wgrant> Sure
[04:48] <wgrant> getVisibleArtifacts is probably the only thing that uses AAG+TP
[04:49] <wgrant> (though it shouldn't; all artifacts should have it denormed)
[04:57] <StevenK> Specification
[05:04] <wgrant> Hmm?
[05:04] <wgrant> What about it?
[05:05] <StevenK> It isn't denormed
[05:05] <wgrant> Sure
[05:05] <wgrant> Hence "should"
[05:05] <StevenK> Right
[05:05] <StevenK> Can haz review now?
[05:05] <wgrant> Am looking
[05:05] <wgrant> Is long
[05:06] <StevenK> You're not stuck with 3G tethering
[05:06] <wgrant> source_dict is one of the most useless methods ever, and its name is wrong
[05:06] <wgrant> Can it be inlined?
[05:07] <StevenK> Sure.
[05:07] <StevenK> It is leftovers, effectively
[05:29] <wgrant> Oh
[05:29] <wgrant> I can use a selection of Storm "validators" to do my evil
[05:29] <wgrant> Though I shall probably never be forgiven
[05:37] <StevenK> OMG, you wouldn't dare
[06:14]  * StevenK stabs buildbot and it's poller
[08:46] <StevenK> stub: Are you going to QA r16409 today?
[08:52]  * stub wonders if it is untestable
[08:52] <stub> I guess if we can retrieve stuff from the Librarian, it is qa-ok
[08:54] <adeuring> good morning
[09:11] <stub> StevenK: qa-ok'd
[14:47] <benji> gary_poster: yep, that is a bug in the backend; I was just trying to figure out where to file that and whether or not I should dig into it
[14:47] <benji> pfft
[20:14]  * dobey wonders who to bug about bzr dailydeb having issues only on launchpad :-/
[20:27] <lifeless> dobey: what do you mean?
[20:33] <dobey> lifeless: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/127602321/buildlog.txt.gz
[20:34] <dobey> lifeless: this seems to only happen on lp. the recipe for that build works fine locally, it's just a simple recipe to reubild lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-client on older versions of ubuntu that we (u1) still need to support.
[20:34] <lifeless> dobey: that looks like a pristine-tar failure
[20:34] <lifeless> dobey: there is no exception thrown from bzr routines, so presumably the tags etc were all recreatable
[20:34] <dobey> yes, but why would it fail only on launchpadk, and not locally? how am i supposed to debug it further?
[20:35] <lifeless> dobey: clean quantal chroot should let you reproduce it
[20:35] <lifeless> but I presume you tried that and couldn't ?
[20:37] <dobey> i've tried dailydeb on quantal and on raring; though not in an empty chroot
[20:49] <dobey> brb
[21:26] <dobey> back


[00:40] <ryanakca> nixternal: ping, how did you get icecc working? I have all the required ports open on the daemon and scheduler hosts, but the scheduler only recognizes the daemon on localhost, and not on the 2nd daemon host...
[01:16] <nixternal> ryanakca: I just installed icecc on all of my machines...did nothing else really
[01:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm... odd. ok, thanks.
[01:29]  * ryanakca guesses it's his firewall...
[02:56] <ScottK2> awen_: Thanks
[03:09] <ScottK2> Do you have a good test case that demonstrates the bug that I can use to check if I've fixed it andresj?
[03:10] <ScottK2> We're discussing bug 208556
[03:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208556 in qt4-x11 "qdbuscpp2xml uses moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208556
[03:10] <andresj> ScottK2: I have my own application, but I think that to be sure I would use the one in http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2007/03/msg00143.html
[03:10]  * ScottK2 looks
[03:11] <andresj> instead of that, qdbuscpp2xml returns <!DOCTYPE node PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD D-BUS Object Introspection 1.0//EN" "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/dbus/1.0/introspect.dtd">\n<node>\n</node>
[03:11] <andresj> (with the \n replaced with newlines)
[03:12] <ScottK2> Right.
[03:13] <ScottK2> nixternal: You around?
[03:14] <andresj> never mind... qdbuscpp2xml does that one correctly.
[03:14] <andresj> let me find another test case.
[03:15] <ScottK2> OK.
[03:24] <andresj> mm... apparently the only reason why it didn't work is because I was using KUrl as the type of an argument of a slot.
[03:25] <ScottK2> So does that make it a lower priority in your opinion then?
[03:25] <andresj> i think that then, maybe that's not the problem... because KUrl has existed since KDE 3...
[03:25] <andresj> might be that im just using the wrong type.
[03:27] <andresj> I'll ask about that in #kde and #kde-devel
[03:28] <ScottK2> Good luck.
[03:28] <andresj> :D thanks for your help, though :D
[04:09] <nixternal> ScottK2: what's up?
[04:10] <ScottK2> nixternal: I was looking for someone who could help andresj out, but he got headed in the right direction.  What do you think about the patch discussed in http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2007/03/msg00143.html
[04:11]  * nixternal looks
[04:12] <nixternal> that is for Qt 4.2
[04:13] <nixternal> has it been addressed upstream at all?
[04:13] <nixternal> ie. the 4.3 release that we have or the 4.4 release coming up soon
[04:13] <ScottK2> Dunno.
[04:14] <ScottK2> I'm pretty qt stupid, which is why I screamed for help.
[04:14] <andresj> by the way, I think the problem _was_ that I used KUrl instead of QString in my interface, so while I think that using moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4 might still cause problems, its not as grave as I thought (it works good in most cases I have tried)
[04:15] <ScottK2> Yes, but if it's a reasonable fix and it helps, we should see about doing it.
[04:15] <nixternal> I just ran his test with 4.3 and it produces exactly what he pasted in the report
[04:16] <ScottK2> Sounds like it's valid then.
[04:16] <ScottK2> Does the fix look right to you?
[04:17] <nixternal> oh man, that was fixed last year
[04:17] <nixternal> the report isn't valid anymore, the test.cpp works as it should
[04:18] <nixternal> and I don't have /usr/share/qt4/bin prefixed in PATH either
[04:18] <ScottK2> Ah.  OK.
[04:19] <ScottK2> Mark it fix released then please.
[04:19] <ScottK2> nixternal: Thanks for looking at it.
[04:19] <nixternal> who should mark it as fixed?
[04:19] <ScottK2> I don't care.
[04:20]  * ScottK2 was talking to nixternal, but whoever.
[04:20] <nixternal> what am I supposed to mark as fixed?
[04:20] <ScottK2>  bug 208556
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208556 in qt4-x11 "qdbuscpp2xml uses moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208556
[04:20] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:20]  * ScottK2 digs back into kde-guidance.
[04:21] <ScottK2> It may be crusty, but at least it's python.
[04:21] <nixternal> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2006-12-16 19:09 /usr/bin/moc -> /etc/alternatives/moc
[04:21] <nixternal> ie. moc is an /etc/alternative
[04:21]  * ScottK2 can do Python.
[04:21] <ScottK2> Ah.
[04:21] <nixternal> so it is going to use whichever version of qt4 is active
[04:21] <nixternal> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2008-02-28 23:02 /etc/alternatives/moc -> /usr/bin/moc-qt3
[04:22] <nixternal> ooh, it is set to moc-qt3
[04:22] <nixternal> interesting
[04:22] <ScottK2> Have fun.
[04:22] <nixternal> damn you!
[04:23] <nixternal> I guess that would be a packaging bug?
[04:23] <nixternal> it isn't a qt bug
[04:27] <nixternal> ScottK2: easy fix, just add and update-alternatives line to the qt4-dev-tools.postinst
[04:27] <nixternal> or libqt4-dev.postinst rather
[04:28] <nixternal> hrmm, actually it is already there
[04:28] <nixternal> priority level is 40, to low
[04:29] <nixternal> and even running the test with moc-qt4 it still works
[04:34] <nixternal> Riddell: when you wake up and get around, check out bug #208556 - it is a valid bug I guess because libqt4-dev.postinst isn't installing at a priority high enough to become the default...though i am not sure how you want to handle this...bug/no-bug
[04:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208556 in qt4-x11 "qdbuscpp2xml uses moc-qt3 instead of moc-qt4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208556
[04:34] <nixternal> I guess we could temporarily patch it to do /moc-qt4 instead of relying on the postinst for alternatives priority
[04:35] <nixternal> actually, that probably makes the most sense
[04:35] <nixternal> ScottK2: ^^
[04:35] <nixternal> as qdbuscpp2xml is a qt4 only app
[04:36] <ScottK2> Yep.  that makes sense.
[04:37] <nixternal> I will leave that up to Riddell though, Qt4 is his baby
[04:37] <nixternal> actually
[04:38] <nixternal> patches/05_append_qt4_target.diff:+QMAKE_MOC        = \$\$QT_BUILD_TREE/bin/moc-qt4
[04:38] <nixternal> it is already patched
[04:38]  * nixternal runs strace
[04:38]  * ScottK2 goes to bed.
[04:38] <ScottK2> Good night.
[04:38] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:42] <nixternal> andresj: ahh, you are here
[04:43] <nixternal> andresj: that has been fixed for ever a year, there is a patch in the package called 03_launch_moc-qt4.diff that s/\/moc/\/moc-qt4
[04:43] <nixternal> ahh, you figured out the problem already :)
[04:44] <nixternal> ScottK2: FYI, that patch has been in the Qt4 package since the beginning of June 2007.
[04:46] <andresj> :D but it's not applied to the ubuntu package yet...
[04:47] <andresj> I did apt-src install qt4-x11, and checked the source code for that particular file, and it still says "/moc" instead of "/moc-qt4"
[04:48] <andresj> oh never mind... the patches are not applied yet... :( now is when its showed that I know nothing about Debian packaging :D
[04:48] <nixternal> lol
[04:48] <nixternal> you will learn young jedi :)
[04:48] <andresj> xD
[04:48] <nixternal> the patches get applied during the build process
[04:49] <andresj> I see.
[04:55] <nixternal> man, I was confused for the first 10 minutes of looking at that bug
[04:55] <nixternal> I followed the test.cpp from the debian report, and it worked as it should
[04:56] <andresj> well I wrote a comment explaining my ignorance in the bug page :D
[04:57] <nixternal> good that you caught it though..I just never realized you were the same person at first who filed the bug until I went to your wiki page :)
[04:58] <andresj> hahaha, well your nickname has nothing to do with your name either (as far as I can tell :D)
[05:04] <nixternal> not yet it doesn't...if they let me change my name legally then I will be good :)
[09:15] <Artemis_Fowl> AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST in (K)ubuntu GRUB's config is necessary for what?
[10:16] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: updating the kernel
[10:17] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: could you explain some more? are they absolutely necessary?
[10:18] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: yes, when you install a new kernel, it automagically places and removes the necessary entries from the list
[10:18] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: and what happens if those lines are deleted? won't the kernels update?
[10:19] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: hmm, good question
[10:22] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: it probably goes about crying and trying to restore them
[10:23] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: so if you delete them, is this a big problem or of minor importance?
[10:24] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: don't think it's recommended..
[10:25] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick:hmm
[10:26] <seaLne> Artemis_Fowl: it means when you install a new kernel it won't automatically be used
[10:27] <seaLne> Artemis_Fowl: are you just wondering what it is for or are you trying to do something specific with kernels?
[10:28] <Artemis_Fowl> one min
[10:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: actually because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/196756
[10:30] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: I develop KGRUBEditor
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196756 in kgrubeditor "kgrubeditor doesn't recognize AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST entries" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:34] <seaLne> ah, well for debian based distributions i'd say it was very important not to break the AUTOMAGIC section
[10:35] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: actually the AUTOMAGIC section is a GRUB misuse
[10:35] <seaLne> as most people expect it to work
[10:35] <seaLne> Artemis_Fowl: quite possibly
[10:36] <seaLne> but its the way kernels have been handled in debian for a long time
[10:36] <Artemis_Fowl> and moreover a pain in the neck for developers :)
[10:37] <seaLne> when a debian kernel is installed it looks for the AUTOMAGIC section so it can add the new kernel details in the correct place
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: as I can see the AUTOMAGIC sections is something like this:
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ## some comments
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> ## some more comments
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl> # an option
[10:40] <Artemis_Fowl>
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ## some comments
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ## etc etc etc
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ## ## End Default Options ##
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl>
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> title Debian
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> kernal dummy_kernel
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl>
[10:41] <Artemis_Fowl> title and so on
[10:42] <Artemis_Fowl> ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[10:42] <Artemis_Fowl> right?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> dude, pastebin?
[10:42] <seaLne> yep
[10:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: does any other distro 'misuse' GRUB's comments in a similar manner from your experience?
[10:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seaLne: for Debian-based I think I can patch this
[10:51] <seaLne> i haven't really used any non debian based distros in years
[10:51] <jpatrick> debian/rules
[10:51] <Artemis_Fowl> i think opensuse has a similar system. i'll check it out
[11:00]  * jpatrick says "yay"
[11:00] <jpatrick> alpine just decided to delete all my @kubuntu mail
[11:01] <\sh> whatever alpine is ;)
[11:02] <jpatrick> freely licensed version of pine
[11:03] <fdoving> good thing you have backups then :)
[11:03] <jpatrick> err, no, imap
[11:04] <\sh> jpatrick: this is really bad then :)
[11:04] <fdoving> kubuntu mail can't be that important anyway :)
[11:04] <jpatrick> \sh: I suppose so, been meaning to clear it all out anyway
[11:05] <Hobbsee> fdoving: or is all archived
[11:06] <fdoving> yep.
[11:06] <seaLne> even the large quantities of spam to @kubuntu ? :)
[11:07] <jpatrick> canonical must set up an anti-spam filter
[11:08] <seaLne> thats up to the user imho
[11:08]  * \sh just got one or two spam mails in the last month from @ubuntu mail
[11:09] <seaLne> i get spam to the 4 addresses on my gpg key usually one after the other in the order on the key :-/
[11:09]  * Hobbsee gets lots of spam from @ubuntu.com
[11:09] <fdoving> i get alot too.
[11:09]  * jpatrick gets about 7 daily
[11:09]  * \sh never used the @ubuntu.com mail address in public...afaik..
[11:09] <fdoving> not sure which address, but it comes from fiordland.ubuntu.com usually.
[11:10] <jpatrick> I blame all the package list
[11:10] <jpatrick> -s*
[11:10] <seaLne> i blame the spammers
[11:11] <\sh> well, more bad is when they send out spam with your personal email address as sender...and no one is checking the SPF records :( so I get many "return to sender" mails from anyone else...
[11:12] <\sh> the internet is broken by design, imho ;)
[11:12] <fdoving> no doubt about it.
[11:13] <fdoving> wasn't designed to do what it currently is doing.
[11:13] <\sh> well, it was designed to resists an a-bomb...but I think humans are much worse then the a-bomb
[11:14] <seaLne> yeah as usual the users are the problem
[11:15] <\sh> yeah osi layer 8 bug
[11:15] <\sh> the problem is sitting in front of the keyboard and screen
[11:15] <\sh> it's one bug we will never solve
[11:25] <jpatrick> awen_: hey, how did the bash thing go?
[11:26] <awen_> jpatrick: the conclusion was, that it wasn't removed by accident... but they considered to include the bash_completion package on the cd, but without ubuntu-standard depending on it
[11:27] <awen_> jpatrick: so i would suppose that we should do the same on the kubuntu cd's ?
[11:27] <jpatrick> awen_: probably /me still thinks zsh > *
[11:28] <fdoving> i think i'm getting old. i start hating changes, policykit, apparmor, bash_completion etc. don't like them.
[11:28] <\sh> awen_: hmmm? "they" removed bash_completion from the -standard seed?
[11:28] <awen_> jpatrick: and zsh has the equivalent of bash_completion?
[11:28] <jpatrick> awen_: built-in and maintained by upstream
[11:29] <awen_> \sh: yes... it had been unmaintained upstream for some time, that was why
[11:29] <jpatrick> awen_: did you try out the .zshrc I gave?
[11:29] <\sh> hmm...so why we don't compile our own stuff for bash? I mean, not overbloated but good completion defaults
[11:30] <awen_> jpatrick: no not yet... i'm just going to boot up my virtual machine and test zsh
[11:30] <jpatrick> awen_: cool
[11:31] <awen_> \sh: there was some talk about, that someone was going to ressurrect it in some way (nothing really clear)
[11:32] <awen_> \sh: i was mostly pointed at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/26/%23ubuntu-devel.html <--- look at 14:24 and forward
[11:34] <\sh> awen_: ah yes..I remember
[11:36] <awen_> the il8n is a little to complete... all the languages is also written in the default locale when you want to change it; so changing to a language that you don't know and it is getting a bit hard changing back
[11:46] <awen_> jpatrick: zsh gives me a lot of warnings regarding the .zshrc when starting, like "command not found ^M"
[11:46] <jpatrick> awen_: can you pastebin them?
[11:49] <awen-hardy-test> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61451/
[11:49] <awen_> jpatrick: there ^^
[11:49] <jpatrick> ...
[11:50] <jpatrick> those should be the key bindings for all the functions
[11:50] <Hobbsee> awen_: remove the ^M's then, and don't use notepad/etc to edit them
[11:50] <jpatrick> awen_: do you have a prompt at least?
[11:51] <Nightrose> Tonio_: yay for working OSD in Konversation :)   thx a lot
[11:51] <jpatrick> awen_: if so try: apt-<tab> and tell me what you think
[11:51] <awen_> jpatrick: yes... nothing written that indicates that it is a prompt, but it works
[11:51] <zorglu_>  q. before i found a channel with the ubuntu people which take care about all the server/mirror to store the .deb of ubuntu. i dont remember the name tho... anybody got suggestion?
[11:52] <jpatrick> zorglu_: #ubuntu-motu?
[11:52] <awen_> jpatrick: i think it needs to read the .zshrc correctly... things jump around on the screen
[11:53] <awen_> Hobbsee: I can't find them... they are empty lines, and deleting/restoring the empty lines in nano doesn't help
[11:53] <jpatrick> awen_: hmm
[11:54] <zorglu_> jpatrick: well no, it was more about the storage, not that much the building of the .deb :) but yep #ubuntu-motu may know, thanks :)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> awen_: what editor are you looking in?
[11:54] <awen_> Hobbsee: nano atm
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:58] <awen_> "wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61424/plain/" as .zshrc and it still complains
[11:58]  * awen_ is back in 20 minutes
[11:59] <jpatrick> awen_: copy and paste from Konqueror, might be a pastebin thing..
[12:00]  * Hobbsee looks at it for interesting bits
[12:00] <Hobbsee> # Follow GNU LS_COLORS for completion menus
[12:00] <Hobbsee> what's that do?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> do bad symlinks show up as red with that?
[12:00] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: makes ls pretty
[12:00] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: like what?
[12:01] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: @ for links, and stuff like "music/" for folders
[12:02] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: just save as .zshrc and see ;)
[12:02] <smarter> ls -F does the @ and / things
[12:02] <smarter> zstyle ':completion:*' list-colors "${(s.:.)LS_COLORS}" add colors to the zsh completion
[12:03] <smarter> jpatrick: do you know how to force zsh to complete some files?
[12:04] <smarter> it doesn't want to complete .pro files(qmake project)
[12:04] <jpatrick> smarter: hmm, howso?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ...zcalc...*drool*
[12:07] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: things I like most are lines 222 to 239
[12:07] <smarter> jpatrick: when I do touch a.pro && ls a[tab] I don't see the .pro file
[12:07] <Hobbsee> enolines
[12:07] <jpatrick> smarter: because the file doesn't exist to it yet probably..
[12:07] <smarter> nevermind I found why ;)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> *grin*
[12:08] <Hobbsee> tetris!
[12:08] <smarter> I had that in my config file: fignore=(.o .c~ .pro)
[12:11]  * Hobbsee drools
[12:11] <Hobbsee> insert files looks nice, too!
[12:11] <Hobbsee> bah.  mine already does that.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> prediction looks nice, though
[12:13] <jpatrick> it's so good it's evil
[12:15] <Hobbsee> too bad if some command came up that i didn't want though :P
[12:17] <awen_> jpatrick: that worked better :) ... seems the plain mode is broken
[12:18] <jpatrick> awen_: that explains it :)
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> QTCurve is awesome....
[12:18] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: ah yes, they look neat
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> hardy is awesome for that matter
[12:19] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: :)
[12:20] <awen_> jpatrick: now i just need to know how to change the default shell ;)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> awen_: chsh
[12:20] <smarter> awen_: chsh
[12:21] <awen_> ahh... almost to easy, thanks :)
[12:21] <jpatrick> is it my turn? awen_ chsh
[12:21] <jpatrick> awen_: you just do: chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh
[12:22]  * Hobbsee grumbles
[12:22] <Hobbsee> stuff like 'ls' doesn't work now.
[12:22] <Hobbsee> unless i use 'ls<space><backspace>
[12:22] <jpatrick> ...
[12:23] <jpatrick> alias ls="ls -F --color=always"
[12:24]  * awen_ thinks it still misses some very important functions regarding ssh/scp
[12:25] <jpatrick> awen_: yeah, you may want to remove the line with _myhosts=( ${${${${(f)"$(<$HOME/.ssh/known_hosts)"}:#[0-9]*}%%\ *}%%,*} ) and the one below it
[12:28] <awen_> jpatrick: not better... it doesn't seem to pick up hosts from ssh_config :(
[12:29] <jpatrick> hmm, never used that before..
[12:29] <Hobbsee> you have tried gnome-do, ahven't you?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> or katapult, if it supports it
[12:30] <awen_> jpatrick: it's nice... especially if you have different usernames, you want it to pick up the alias/hostnames in ssh_config
[12:30]  * jpatrick goes off for a bit... hardy upgrade
[12:31] <jpatrick> awen_: will check it out later
[12:31] <awen_> jpatrick: okay... but in general, nice :)
[12:32]  * awen_ wonders who Hobbsee was questioning...
[12:32]  * jpatrick thinks... you :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> whoever.
[12:32]  * awen_ haven't tried gnome-do
[12:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm jealous of that... but haven't tried it yet myself... is it in Gutsy?
[12:34]  * Jucato was hoping Katapult would have grown by now...
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've got a backport of it, but i think it's old
[12:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol!! the printer config system tray behaves a lot like Windows system tray notifications :)
[12:35] <Jucato> or is that generally true of GNOME?
[12:35]  * Hobbsee hasn't noticed it
[12:35]  * Hobbsee doesnt' have such a thing - might have disabled it
[12:35] <Jucato> it just popped first to tell me that the printer is ready to be used, then 2nd to tell me that I'm low on ink
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: heh
[12:36] <Jucato> with a yellow balloon/popup with a close button at the upper right corner :)
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: them is what you call "features" :P
[12:36] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: people complained about how that worked.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: so they added the bubble
[12:37] <Jucato> heh but the bubble (with the close button) is soooo XP! :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> that was the point
[12:37] <Jucato> (sorry, first time GNOME user in a long time :P)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> people were thinking that the printers hadn't been recognised, as they hadn't been told about it.
[12:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the notification thing is not what I'm having smiling about :)
[12:38]  * nosrednaekim thinks of Suse which has a really annoying "First time hardware" wizard....
[12:38] <Jucato> it's just that it has that close button at the corner :D
[12:39] <Jucato> and the bubble is yellow and the button is almost red... :)
[12:39] <Jucato> anyway, I'm looking forward to Kubuntu's own printer config :D
[12:39]  * Jucato is not touching Hardy until the release. wants to be surprised :D
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> uhhh oh.....I better get crackin then ^_^
[12:40] <Jucato> heh I'm not the one you should be worrying about :P
[12:41]  * nosrednaekim thinks of the vampire users and agrees
[12:45] <Jucato> hm.. I just noticed that their Add/Remove Programs doesn't ask for the password until it's time to install... like KPackage...
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> packageKit...
[12:48] <Jucato> :P
[12:48] <Jucato> soon
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> whooops... I mean "PolicyKit"
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> thats what allows them to do that
[12:48] <Jucato> :P
[12:49] <Jucato> soon too :)
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> yep
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> ha.... so I get this "crappy" intel celeron laptop and it ends up being faster than my X2 one
[12:55] <xRaich[o]2x> Hmm i ported asoundconf-gtk to qt4. How do i get it out to the real world?
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: awesome... probably make a launchpad project for ir
[12:58] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: There is one for asoundconf-ui now i want to make a qt4 branch
[12:58] <Jucato> or qt-apps.org. but LP has more goodies
[12:59] <xRaich[o]2x> Looks a bit confused at the addbranch form
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: did you rewrite any of the backend?
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> becuase if so, you probably don't want to branch it
[13:02] <xRaich[o]2x> Nope it's just a new frontend
[13:03] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: in that case, yeah, branch it.  Its really simple
[13:03]  * xRaich[o]2x wants to make a branch asoundconf-qt4
[13:04] <xRaich[o]2x> ok i don't really get the stuff with the ssh key
[13:04] <xRaich[o]2x> branch is created
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> now you can just push to that branch, or you can switch your local copy to using that branch. let me look up the command for that
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: i read that i need to register an ssh key first. how do i do that?
[13:07] <xRaich[o]2x> and how do i create that key
[13:07]  * xRaich[o]2x feels stupid ^^
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> !ssh
[13:07] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> hrm... I think there is a tutorial up on Launchpad
[13:07] <TheInfinity> xRaich[o]2x, i also felt stupid about this, i didnt get 5-bugs-a-day running in osx
[13:08] <xRaich[o]2x> TheInfinity: Never really had a need to do this before ^^
[13:08] <TheInfinity> and linux does not run well native, so i often reinstall it for tests -> moep.
[13:12] <xRaich[o]2x> ok got an ssh key ^^
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: edit your launchpad profile and add it
[13:13] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: been there done that ;)
[13:16] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: is there a structure i need to have inside that branch?
[13:16] <xRaich[o]2x> or is it enough to just put the files into it?
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: structure? no, but i'dkeep it as close to trunk as possible
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> woah... Hardy doesn't use ksplash?
[13:20] <awen_> nosrednaekim: mine does (kde3) ... and iirc my vm with a new beta-install did too
[13:21] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: whoops. just found out that someone already ported it. Well, i consider it an excercise in python ^^
[13:21]  * awen_ didn't rrc
[13:22] <awen_> nosrednaekim: yes seems that ksplash has been disabled in hardy
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: :)
[13:23] <xRaich[o]2x> at least i finally learned how to handle regex ^^
[13:48] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[13:51] <ryanakca> nixternal: ping, have you managed to use icecc with kdesvn-build yet?
[13:52] <ryanakca> methinks he'll have to write some documentation for it once he gets it figured out...
[13:53] <davmor2> anyone is the new menu system in KDE4 still called Kmenu or is it actually called plasma now ?
[13:53] <smarter> it's kickoff
[13:53] <davmor2> thanks just doing updates to the testing page :)
[13:59] <Nightrose> hmm something is screwed here - when right clicking on a file in dolphin it opens the file and the menu - can someone reproduce this? (hardy and kde 4)
[14:45] <seaLne> jpatrick: Bug #208801
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208801 in kdebase "encrypted volumes aren't decrypted if the password is a space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208801
[14:46] <seaLne> presumably some lack of escaping
[15:06]  * seaLne really needs to get a usb hub so he dosen't have to keep swapping between pendrives
[15:16] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[15:29] <jpatrick> seaLne: hmmm
[15:32] <ScottK2> nixternal: What'd you conclude about the but we were discussing last night?
[15:32] <seaLne> jpatrick: i'll have a look at it while i'm trying to get raw devices working
[15:34] <jpatrick> seaLne: really must get to grips with c++/qt this year
[15:34] <seaLne> where did the luks stuff come from?
[15:39] <jpatrick> seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629
[15:39] <ubotu> KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New]
[15:40] <nixternal> ScottK2: our Qt4 is fixed...he made a booboo in the code that caused the problem
[15:44] <jpatrick> seaLne: the author is on LP, I'll subscribe him to the bug
[15:44] <ScottK2> nixternal: Cool.  Thanks.
[15:49] <seaLne> jpatrick: so is it currently an old version of the patch in kubuntu?
[15:49] <jpatrick> seaLne: no, the update was uploaded
[15:49] <seaLne> k
[15:50] <jpatrick> bug #186841
[15:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186841 in kdebase "[hardy] Please merge latest version of kio media LUKS support" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186841
[16:10] <Artemis_Fowl> kdelibs for KDE4 are appropriately packaged?
[16:10] <Artemis_Fowl> I think I miss some header files
[16:14] <Artemis_Fowl> I indeed miss some files.....
[16:14] <Kryczek> Hi!
[16:14] <Kryczek> Can anybody please help me understand my kio_http problem?
[16:15] <Kryczek> nothing relying on HTTP in KDE works anymore: Konqueror, Kopete (for the MSN protocol but not AIM/ICQ/GTalk at least), KWeather, etc
[16:15] <Kryczek> and it does so since an upgrade yesterday
[16:16] <Kryczek> I'm running Kubuntu 8, but I upgraded to 8 because I had exactly the same problem in 7
[16:16] <Kryczek> it worked for a few days, and yesterday i noticed an upgrade for KDE packages, and now it doesnt work anymore
[16:17] <ScottK2> Kryczek: It's not a global problem as I've been using Konqueror today without issue on a fully updated Hardy system.
[16:18] <ScottK2> Kryczek: Try creating a new user and see if it has the same problem.  Support is in #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1.
[16:19] <Kryczek> ScottK2: i'm in them already ;/
[16:20] <Kryczek> but I thought developers would know best how to understand such a problem
[16:20] <ScottK2> OK.  Well there are developers in those channels too.
[16:20] <ScottK2> I gave you a suggestion, but I don't think you're facing a development related issue.
[16:21] <Kryczek> i know, i'm a developer myself
[16:21] <Kryczek> but i was right to come ask here: it works with another user indeed :D
[16:25] <smarter> Kryczek: maybe you have something wrong in your ~/.kde
[16:25] <Kryczek> i was just looking at my .kde/share/config/kio_httprc
[16:26] <Kryczek> and the only difference was lines about cache settings missing in my ~/.kde whereas present in the other user's ~/.kde
[16:26] <Kryczek> so I unchecked "use cache" in Konqueror's Settings panel
[16:26] <Kryczek> curiously it added those lines in the kio_httprc
[16:26] <Kryczek> and now it works o_O
[16:27] <Kryczek> ScottK2: smarter: thanks a lot :)
[16:28] <smarter> Kryczek: if it's a reproducible issue, consider reporting the bug
[16:29] <Kryczek> sure.. but do i need to create an account on launchpad again? i always forget the password :(
[16:30] <smarter> launchpad can mail you your password if you forgot it iirc
[16:55] <seaLne> how do i tell kded stuff via dcop?
[16:55] <fdoving> what do you want to tell it?
[16:55] <smarter> dcop kded [tab]
[16:55] <fdoving> or use kdcop to browse
[16:55] <seaLne> ta
[16:56] <seaLne> hmm ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
[16:57] <fdoving> it is kde3, right?
[16:57] <seaLne> yeah, hmm stupid ssh
[16:58] <fdoving> ah, then you need to fix the environment.
[16:59] <seezer> seaLne: try `export DISPLAY=:0.0` or something
[17:00] <nareshov> Is it okay to delete the build dir ( I compiled KDE4 from trunk) ?
[17:03] <fdoving> nareshov: yes, if you don'
[17:03] <fdoving> t plan to recompile it soon it's safe after you've ran 'make install'
[17:04] <fdoving> seezer: DCOPSERVER is also needed iirc.
[17:04] <nareshov> ok
[17:06] <seezer> fdoving: i only correct the display - worked for years :) but perhaps that differs from setup to setup.
[17:07] <fdoving> you won't get access to the correct DCOP server that way.
[17:08] <seezer> if multiple dcop servers are running?
[17:09] <seezer> in general that worked for me (connecting to 'desktops') running one X11 and one single KDE session
[17:13] <seaLne> bah this is confusing having 3 different pendrives plugged in
[17:15] <Kryczek> smarter: reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/208872  :)
[17:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208872 in kdelibs "Missing lines in kio_httprc break all HTTP support in KDE" [Undecided,New]
[17:17] <fdoving> bbl.
[17:45] <ryanakca> aaah... 55.4% CPU for xorg... hmm...
[18:32] <seaLne> is mounting things via konq/d3lphin done via hal?
[18:36] <ryanakca> Did we want a "Press room" view like u.c or did we want an "Archive" / posts per month (like on a blog) item?
[19:11] <T0m4rn0ld> hellos, i need some help i guess ..  i really want to extend konqueror but im a total newb and i think i will need a bit of help. i compiled kde4 from svn and it works. but understanding the konqueror code seems quite hard .. what should i read or do?
[19:12] <seaLne> you might be better asking in #kde-devel
[19:13] <T0m4rn0ld> ok
[19:13] <T0m4rn0ld> thank you
[19:14] <NamShub> "extend konqueror"?
[19:27] <T0m4rn0ld> yes, like firefox plugins
[19:28] <T0m4rn0ld> mostly web stuff
[19:32]  * smarter would like a "full fullscreen"(firefox extension)-like for Konqueror (:
[19:32] <NamShub> what do you want to do exactly?
[19:33] <smarter> fullscreen without buttons tabs, scrollbars or anything, very useful on small devices
[19:34] <NamShub> smarter: it works here
[19:34] <NamShub> ctrl+m, then F11
[19:35] <smarter> NamShub: you still have the buttons, the tabs and and the scrollbars
[19:36] <NamShub> thats right i still see the scrollbar
[19:36] <NamShub> sorry
[19:41] <fdoving> smarter: you can atleast hide the statusbar with ViewT0_ShowStatusBar=false in the profile-rc.
[19:41] <T0m4rn0ld> i just wanna port some FF extentions i am used to
[19:41] <fdoving> not sure how one can hide the scrollbar.
[19:41] <T0m4rn0ld> like "How´d I get here" or "Reload/Stop"
[19:42] <smarter> fdoving: thanks for the tip
[19:42] <smarter> T0m4rn0ld: Reload/Stop?
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> Reload and Stop in one button
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> like Safari
[19:43] <smarter> Konqueror in Kubuntu already do it
[19:43] <fdoving> doesn't konqueror in kde3 have that in kubuntu?
[19:43] <smarter> yes (:
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> not the kde4 one tho
[19:43] <T0m4rn0ld> i tried the newest beta
[19:44] <smarter> yes, konq3
[19:44] <NamShub> konq4 got 2 buttons
[19:45] <smarter> you might want to look at debian/patches/kubuntu_84_konqueror_stop_reload_button.diff in the kdebase package sources
[19:45] <smarter> shouldn't be too hard to port to kde4
[19:46] <NamShub> T0m4rn0ld: if you want to help with a greasemonkey-like extensions though, you are more than welcome to look at svn playground/utils/khtml_userscript
[19:47] <NamShub> its at proof-of-concept stage right now
[19:47] <NamShub> it works, but theres no security models and its not GM-compatible
[19:47] <Tonio_> Nightrose: osd in konversation is not from me :)
[19:48] <T0m4rn0ld> NamShub: cool
[19:48] <T0m4rn0ld> GM is very powerfull
[19:48] <NamShub> well it is GM-compatible, but theres no re-implementation of the various GM_* functions, and theres no cross-site XHR support
[19:49] <NamShub> basically, it means it only executes js script right now :P\
[19:49] <T0m4rn0ld> that is a start :)
[19:51] <T0m4rn0ld> but my problem seems to be that i am not really a C++ and QT coder .. is there a good indepth tutorial/book for QT/KDE4 somewhere
[19:51] <T0m4rn0ld> i dont wanna annoy people in IRC all day :P
[19:51] <T0m4rn0ld> i can code in C
[19:53] <smarter> T0m4rn0ld: Qt: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Prentice-Source-Software-Development/dp/0132354160/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206820398&sr=8-1
[19:53] <smarter> with introduction to C++ to C or Java coders
[19:55] <Tonio_> ho you mean for konversation in kde4 ? then yes, that's me :)
[19:56] <smarter> konversation has been ported to kde4?
[19:56] <T0m4rn0ld> smarter: thank you
[20:03] <allee> Tonio_: hi, in my ppa there digikam 0.9.2-2ubuntu1(~ppa1)  without --enable-debug=full.  Would be nice if it find it's way into hardy.
[20:04] <Tonio_> allee: oki :)
[20:04] <Tonio_> allee: will do taht tomorrow
[20:05] <allee> Tonio_: thx
[21:04] <paddy-2k> hi is there a bug in the 8.04 kde4 remix alternative cd installer?
[21:06] <jussi01> paddy-2k: probably lots of them... what exactly are you talking about?
[21:07] <paddy-2k> lol. i just tried to install it in Virtualbox and has been sitting on 34% of installing the base system for the past 15 mins
[21:10] <paddy-2k> where could I submit a bug? is it launch pad?
[21:13] <jussi01> !bug
[21:13] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:26] <ryanakca> jpatrick: ping, would you be interested in testing links on the testsite?
[21:26] <jpatrick> ryanakca: hey
[21:27] <jpatrick> ryanakca: same place?
[21:27] <ryanakca> Yep
[21:27] <jpatrick> pm?
[21:41] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I see you went to the Debian channel in the end
[21:41] <apachelogger> yeah, just to keep track how often I get named a foulish ubuntu dude :P
[21:42] <jpatrick> nixternal: 49? I'm going at about 23...
[21:43] <jpatrick> apachelogger: "ubuntu = debian + more bugs" to them
[21:43] <apachelogger> I really like a good attitude
[21:43] <apachelogger> talking about that
[21:43] <apachelogger> kubuntu = amarok + more bugs
[21:44] <apachelogger> I am still not certain I repaired all issues caused by the luks patch
[21:51] <_StefanS_> evenig
[21:51] <_StefanS_> oh my gt5 is just freaking amazing..
[22:18] <jpatrick> interesting quit message..
[22:19] <jpatrick> and hi robotgeek
[22:19] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick
[22:19] <robotgeek> jpatrick: long time :)
[22:20] <jpatrick> robotgeek: I was thinking the same thing :)
[22:21] <robotgeek> i need to get on the kde4 development bandwagon :)
[22:21]  * robotgeek needs to quit being so lazy!
[23:14] <Nightrose> Tonio_: ;-) yea I ment the Konversation OSD in KDE 4


[18:33] <x7upLime> Does multipass image snapcraft:core still exists? Out of the box I cannot see it on "multipass find"