[04:04] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: what kind of high perfomance computing tasks do you want to run ? *g*
[04:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> so he best deal would be buy a new processor and 512 ram 333?
[04:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I'm CS student, well I got no car, my parents gave me nutthing when I got to a FREE and GREAT University so they offered me an upgrade for my PC
[04:05] <bob2> TheEdge: it's a OO issue, sort of
[04:05] <ogra> TheEdge: its an application issue of openoffice...a task that they work on, currently.....
[04:05] <Abumosmar> I dont wanna flod with the same question over and over again... will just ask one more time... is there anyone here who knows how to get vlc to work properly on an external monitor? it runs just fine exept that I only get a picture on my laptop..
[04:06] <bob2> Abumosmar: just ask on the list
[04:06] <TheEdge> ah ok :) hehe sorry i'm a total newbie
[04:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I want to run Doom 3 =p
[04:06] <TheEdge> ok then i'll keep my ubuntu as it
[04:06] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: hehe
[04:06] <Abumosmar> bob2: what list? the mailinglist?
[04:06] <bob2> Abumosmar: yes
[04:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> so what would be the best deal for me?
[04:07] <Abumosmar> bob2: ok... will do that.. thx
[04:07] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i am fine with the 600mhz here for all tasks i do, so what should i guess :)
[04:07] <TheEdge> bob2 > ok. thanks a lot :)
[04:08] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i would keep the money until this HW is to slow and buy new stuff then....
[04:08] <bob2> TheEdge: you're welcome
[04:08] <bob2> _|Imanewbie|_: ram would probably be the biggest boost
[04:09] <Kabuto> ogra: sources.list is on flood.
[04:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> bob2: that is why I will buy 512 RAM =)
[04:10] <ogra> Kabuto: remove the "main" in the last two lines
[04:10] <Kabuto> oki
[04:10] <ogra> Kabuto: ah, stop
[04:11] <kent> Have some one tried gear dvd-burner application?  I need an application that can burn dvd videos easely in a GUI,  cant seem to find one :(
[04:11] <ogra> Kabuto:  in the universe lines i mean
[04:11] <Kabuto> oki again
[04:11] <ogra> Kabuto: restricted seems also doubled....remove that too there....
[04:11] <Slackman> kent, what has googled turned up in the way of guis?
[04:12] <Kabuto> alright
[04:12] <Slackman> sorry that was for Kabuto
[04:12] <Slackman> actually nope..for kent
[04:12] <wood1> ogra, I have created the neccessary shares in the smb.conf , how do I connect to it from my Windows PC ?
[04:13] <ogra> wood1: browse network ?
[04:13] <Slackman> wood1, start smnb and nmdb then use windows network thingy
[04:13] <kent> Slackman, i found out that k3b --videodvd   can help me burn videodvd's :)
[04:13] <GotD0t> kent: can it do menus?
[04:14] <Slackman> kent, ah cool....since your doing dvd videos, have you heard of a product called DVD shrink....a friend of mine was asking about a linux alternative the other day
[04:14] <wood1> Slackman, I don't understand
[04:14] <Slackman> but i dont have a dvd drive s
[04:15] <Slackman> wood1, i think its called network neighbourhood in windows
[04:15] <GotD0t> kent: do you know if you can make menus for the video DVD's
[04:15] <wood1> I can see my Ubuntu PC in my Windows Network, I can't access it
[04:15] <Slackman> wood1, you need to make sure than the dir is writable
[04:16] <Slackman> to the smb group
[04:16] <Slackman> and readable
[04:16] <wood1> It asks for a password \\MachineName\IPC$
[04:16] <ogra> wood1: sis you follow the wiki ?
[04:16] <Slackman> wood1, is it not supposed to>?
[04:16] <ogra> did
[04:17] <Slackman> wood1, if you odnt want a password  you have to change the security mode
[04:17] <Slackman> in smb.conf
[04:17] <GotD0t> Slackman about a dvd shrink like app for linux ive heard you can use DVD shrink through wine
[04:17] <Kabuto> "main" from last four lines removed.
[04:17] <Kabuto> I'll try apt-get again.
[04:17] <ogra> Kabuto: no, not the last two...thats security updates
[04:18] <Slackman> GotD0t, ah cool...i'll pass it on..
[04:19] <Kabuto> Undo on security.  Removed "main" from archive sources.
[04:19] <GotD0t> but Slackman do you know if k3b lets you create the menu's for burning DVDs
[04:20] <Sgood1971> I tried DVD shrink through wine on SuSE 9.1 Pro and could not get it to work. Could have been just me though.
[04:20] <ogra> Kabuto: good :)
[04:20] <wood1> Slackman, I still can't connect to my Ubuntu PC from Windows Network ?
[04:21] <ogra> wood1: again, did you follow the wiki ?
[04:22] <wood1> Yes I did
[04:22] <ogra> wood1: with the smbpassword stuff and all ?
[04:22] <Slackman> wood1, k well i'll help you if you can give me some more info :)
[04:22] <Slackman> wood1, otherwise i can't help because i have no idea what your seeing/ what you've done
[04:23] <Slackman> wood1, also ogra seems to think that your missing something out of the wikki by the looks of it so ther is a 90% chance you haven't quite read/followed the wikki properly
[04:24] <Slackman> wood1, and remember you have to restart smdb and nmdb every time you change the smb.conf
[04:25] <ogra> Slackman: good point :)
[04:25] <d0gmaz> anyone can check if my webserver comes up http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:25] <wood1> Well I did the smbpasswd -a username thing
[04:25] <Matt|> doesn't look like it
[04:25] <d0gmaz> damn
[04:26] <KobrAs> d0gmaz: it doesnt
[04:26] <d0gmaz> what does it say?
[04:26] <wood1> ogra, I did the smbpasswd
[04:26] <KobrAs> time out
[04:26] <Slackman> d0gmaz, not working for me
[04:26] <Matt|> no connection
[04:26] <ogra> wood1: and you use the username you gave it ?
[04:26] <ogra> wood1: at the password prompt ?
[04:27] <wood1> I can't get the Username field from my Windows Network
[04:27] <wood1> I just get the password box
[04:27] <Slackman> wood1, what are you using to connect,...win98 or 2k?
[04:27] <wood1> It's Windows 98
[04:28] <Slackman> wood1, ah....there's your issue
[04:28] <Slackman> wood1, your trying to use 2k auth when your only running 98
[04:28] <Slackman> you have to have either no password or your 98 username the same as your linux smb one
[04:29] <wood1> Well I can connect from  Windows 2000 but not from Windows 98
[04:29] <wood1> thanks for the tips
[04:29] <wood1> Well how do I connect from Windows 98 though
[04:29] <wood1> ???
[04:29] <Slackman> wood1, did you see my post above
[04:29] <gson> mmm
[04:29] <Slackman> i gave you the answer
[04:29] <gson> where can i find direct connect? or kazaa ?
[04:30] <wood1> Slackman, I don't understand using my Win2K authority thing ?
[04:31] <ogra> Kabuto: there is still one "restricted" too much in your universe line....
[04:31] <Slackman> wood1, look very closely i said "you have to have either no password OR your 98 username must be the same as your linux smb one"
[04:31] <Kabuto> alright
[04:31] <gson> someone that knows?
[04:32] <d0gmaz> anyone can check again if my webserver comes up http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <wood1> Slackman, I got it thanks
[04:32] <Slackman> np
[04:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep
[04:32] <Slackman> d0gmaz, yep
[04:32] <Matt|> d0gmaz, yea
[04:32] <d0gmaz> ah working
[04:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: if you got a lot of dirs there.....
[04:33] <Slackman> d0gmaz, thats alot of music :)
[04:33] <Matt|> *grins*
[04:33] <d0gmaz> heh
[04:33] <d0gmaz> its only my psytrance
[04:33] <wood1> Slackman, do you have any ideas why I can't browse my Network from my other PC running on Ubuntu Hoary ?
[04:33] <d0gmaz> i got a problem with grub
[04:34] <Slackman> wood1, well depends what error you get :)
[04:34] <jcoventry> Hello.
[04:34] <ogra> wood1: there are bugs in hoary at this level it seems, there were several other ppl this week with the same probs
[04:35] <jcoventry> I am having trouble installing Ubuntu on an iMac G3.
[04:35] <d0gmaz> if i install freebsd wich uses grub everything goes fine i get 2 choices 1. Freebsd 2. unknown (windowsxp) but if i install ubuntu i can choose windows but it doesnt boot
[04:35] <wood1> Well, Slackman, I can browse the Network with no problem, it's the shares that I can't access
[04:35] <Slackman> jcoventry, whats the prob/error?
[04:35] <jcoventry> it cant mount the CD-ROM
[04:35] <jcoventry> yet it burned fine and i did the checksum in terminal under Mac OS X.
[04:35] <Slackman> wood1, check the permissions on the dirs otherwise it may be the problem ogra was describing
[04:36] <MobyTurbo> d0gmaz, is your windows partition marked as bootable?
[04:36] <d0gmaz> mobyturbo, yes
[04:36] <Slackman> jcoventry, hmm i'd just try another CD....i have it running on my ibook g3
[04:36] <jcoventry> ok
[04:36] <MobyTurbo> d0gmaz, well, my main solution to windows problems is rm -rf /mnt/windows. ;-)
[04:37] <d0gmaz> hehehe
[04:37] <ogra> wood1: hoary is a unstable development system....if someone works on the librarys that are responsive it gets buggy
[04:37] <jcoventry> was i meant to do anything else?
[04:37] <jcoventry> i did : md5 /path/to/iso , to the ISO file under mac osx before burning it.
[04:37] <ogra> jcoventry: burn at a slower speed
[04:37] <jcoventry> i burned at 24x.
[04:37] <jcoventry> what speed do you suggest?
[04:38] <Slackman> jcoventry, i meant the disk its self
[04:38] <d0gmaz> jcoventry you press the "C" button while booting?
[04:38] <ogra> jcoventry: 8x is a good spped
[04:38] <jcoventry> yes, d0gmaz.
[04:38] <jcoventry> ok, ogra.
[04:38] <Slackman> jcoventry, buy better quality disks :)
[04:38] <Matt|> did anyone figure out the problem with openoffice and bold text?
[04:38] <jcoventry> lol.
[04:38] <wood1> Well I can browse the Network from a Warty PC but not a Hoary PC
[04:38] <jcoventry> i use discs from amazon , BENQ
[04:39] <Slackman> wood1, its prolly the hoary bug then...the price you pay for unstable software i guess
[04:39] <ogra> wood1: read what i wrote before ? look in bugzilla....if its not already there, file a bug :)
[04:39] <d0gmaz> jcocentry do you burn with toast?
[04:39] <Slackman> having said that, i'm running hoary myself...
[04:39] <wood1> So, Slackman and ogra So it's probably a problem with Hoary
[04:39] <jcoventry> i also burned the 4 yellowdog linux ISOs, and they also didn't work.
[04:39] <jcoventry> yes i used Toast Titanium 6 for Mac OS X.
[04:39] <d0gmaz> hmm
[04:40] <ogra> jcoventry: all at 24x ?
[04:40] <d0gmaz> hehe
[04:40] <d0gmaz> i think he doesnt know how toast works and burns the iso as a file on the disc
[04:40] <jcoventry> i was disconnected, sorry.
[04:40] <joh> Hello, I've got an amd64 computer running ubuntu (amd64 version), but I have some problems with certan applications like firefox (which segfaults when typing some characters in a form) and neverwinter nights (the graphics (textures especially) are terrible). Also, using amd64 binaries makes things a bit bothersome, as there aren't always 64bit binaries around. So I'm wondering if there would be much difference in performance/etc. if running a 32bit os..?
[04:40] <d0gmaz> jcocentry, you burned the is as a image?
[04:41] <ogra> jcoventry: did you burn em all at 24x ?
[04:41] <jcoventry> yes to d0gmaz and ogra
[04:41] <d0gmaz> jcocentry, you can mount iso's on the desktop with toast
[04:41] <jcoventry> no
[04:41] <d0gmaz> try that
[04:41] <jcoventry> just drag them in and burn em
[04:41] <d0gmaz> no
[04:41] <d0gmaz> dont
[04:41] <jcoventry> ok.
[04:41] <jcoventry> so ,
[04:41] <jcoventry> 8x and mount them before burning?
[04:42] <ogra> joh: hoary or warty ?
[04:42] <d0gmaz> im not on mac right now but there is an option for burning iso images
[04:42] <d0gmaz> dont drag em in
[04:42] <joh> ogra: warty
[04:42] <jcoventry> should i use Disk Utility instead?
[04:42] <d0gmaz> no
[04:42] <jcoventry> okay.
[04:42] <d0gmaz> its on other or something in toast
[04:42] <d0gmaz> you got three tabs or something last one is somthing with iso
[04:43] <jcoventry> i've been using the copy feature and then selecting 'Image/File' in the drawer.
[04:43] <Spherical`> Where do I download hoary ISO?
[04:43] <ogra> joh: i have no amd64, but afaik you can set up a chroot environment to run 32 bit versions....
[04:43] <franc1> Hi to all ubuntu people
[04:43] <joh> ogra: or just put libraries in /usr/lib32 and add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH... but I still have the same problem with the graphics in nwn.
[04:43] <d0gmaz> jcoventry http://art.nmu.edu/lab/CD%20BURNING/Toast-2.jpg its under the 4th tab i think
[04:44] <jcoventry> hah
[04:44] <jcoventry> i'm using a newer toast
[04:44] <jcoventry> with a totally different interface
[04:44] <d0gmaz> yes i know
[04:44] <ogra> Spherical`: why not upgrade ?
[04:44] <franc1> please, can anybody help me setting up  a quickcam?
[04:44] <Spherical`> Will do, also I have a question for anybody that got their cam working..
[04:45] <Spherical`> I have a creative pc-cam 300, and I've seen a chipset driver for it.. does the kernel source come set up on the CD?
[04:46] <gerg> hello there.  is this a good channel for a linux/ubuntu newbioe to ask potentially stupid questions? :)
[04:46] <jcoventry> d0gmaz,  www.twilightice.net/~joshuacoventry/toast.jpg
[04:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> gerg: ask here =)
[04:47] <gerg> thanks :)  now i can't actually think of any though :D
[04:48] <gerg> aha. here is one.  i tried to install gftp as described ont eh forums HOWTO
[04:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> gerg: we are allways around to help as much as possible
[04:48] <ogra> Spherical`: libgphoto2 seems to have a module.....(libgphoto2_pccam300)
[04:48] <gerg> apt-get install gftp - but it doesn't find the package
[04:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> try first apt-get update
[04:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> than apt-get install
[04:48] <Spherical`> ogra would that work for streaming video on gnomemeeting though?
[04:49] <ogra> Spherical`: nope, its a photo lib.....
[04:49] <GotD0t> Slackman, you still here?
[04:49] <ogra> franc1: color or bw ?
[04:49] <franc1> I also have another question, concerning compatibility with debian/sarge binaries and ubuntu... can I safely add sarge contrib main etc.. to synaptic repositories?
[04:49] <franc1> ogra: color
[04:49] <ogra> gerg: did you enable universe ?
[04:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: no
[04:49] <jcoventry> d0gmaz, still alive?
[04:50] <gerg> ogra- not knowing what that is, i expect i probably haven't :)
[04:50] <ogra> franc1: should be handled by the c-qcam module
[04:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: you can use on your own risk
[04:50] <franc1> Imanewbie: no sarge on ububtu?
[04:50] <ogra> gerg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[04:50] <d0gmaz> jcoventry,  http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/solutions/ydl_general/iso_burn-mac.shtml
[04:50] <gerg> ogra - thanks :) you should've just told me to rtfm ;)
[04:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: the packages are different
[04:51] <ogra> franc1: 99% of debian pacjkages are in ubuntu :)
[04:51] <franc1> ogra: I'll try c-qcam...
[04:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: as Ive said you CAN use, but you shouldnt
[04:51] <epod> franc1, I think it's kind of a case of, 'try it if you'd like, but you might break it'
[04:51] <jcoventry> thank you, d0gmaz.
[04:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> epod: amem
[04:51] <jcoventry> does this apply to Ubuntu as well?
[04:51] <confrey> hi everybody
[04:52] <bob2> franc1: ubuntu is more recent than sarge in almost all cases
[04:52] <d0gmaz> jcoventry, yes
[04:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: and it supposed to be updated more often
[04:53] <epod> Except the silly 0.9.3 firefox.
[04:53] <jcoventry> d0gmaz, i found a different section in Toast 6 which may be what i want...
[04:53] <jcoventry> Custom Hybrid type data has a feature to select an ISO?
[04:53] <franc1> ok. my idea with sarge was (1) use a mirror near by and (2) free ubuntu ftp servers... Thanks.
[04:54] <bob2> epod: what's wrong with it?
[04:54] <epod> bob2, theme issues is about all
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> by the way, when will be firefox 1.0 be avaliable?
[04:54] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: when hoary gets out :)
[04:55] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, when its more stable than .93 im sure
[04:55] <jcoventry> ohhh i mounted and  i understand it now, thank you very much d0gmaz.
[04:57] <Kabuto> ogra: apt-get failed on connection.  Could it be something more simple like being banned?
[04:57] <ogra> Kabuto: i dont think so....
[04:57] <bob2> I really really doubt you're 'banned'
[04:58] <bob2> try a different server
[04:58] <ogra> Kabuto: show your sources.list again .....
[04:59] <Kabuto> oki
[04:59] <saf4> can someone help me to connect to the msn network
[05:00] <Matt|> how can i fix this unresolvable dependency in hoary:
[05:00] <Matt|> openoffice.org-debian-files:
[05:00] <Matt|>   Depends: openoffice.org (>1.1.2+1.1.3) but 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[05:00] <Matt|>   Depends: openoffice.org-bin (>1.1.2+1.1.3) but 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[05:00] <ogra> Kabuto: you also edited the two upper lines it seems......
[05:00] <ogra> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:00] <ogra> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:01] <ogra> Kabuto: thats what they should look like
[05:01] <Kabuto> Trying apt-get update again.
[05:02] <franc1> about the color quickcam... humm... where is the c-qcam module? I can't findit...
[05:03] <ogra> franc1: run: sudo modprobe c-qcam
[05:03] <ogra> franc1: in a terminal
[05:04] <franc1> ok. I was running insmod c-qcam! Newbies!!!
[05:04] <Matt|> franc1, i did that yesterday too
[05:04] <Matt|> doh
[05:05] <Matt|> anyone help with that openoffice thing?
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> Matt|: what is worng?
[05:06] <Matt|> nothing just that error message
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> ?
[05:06] <Matt|> ^^
[05:06] <GotD0t> how do i reinstall grub?
[05:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone has a good site to get cool backgrounds?
[05:07] <Matt|> _|Imanewbie|_, see it?
[05:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> Matt|: wich error message?
[05:08] <ogra> Matt|: uninstall openoffice.org-debian-files perhaps ??
[05:08] <franc1> yet the quickcam: what is the device? I have no /dev/video or /dev/v4l/* ....
[05:08] <Matt|> ogra, what will that remove?
[05:09] <ogra> franc1: try sudo modprobe videodev
[05:09] <ogra> Matt|: dunno..... but then the error is gone....
[05:09] <franc1> lsmod
[05:09] <Matt|> ogra, have you used that solution? openoffice still works ok?
[05:11] <Kabuto> ogra: Thanks for the help.  I'll call it quits for now.  Maybe some bright idea may come up if I rest on it.
[05:11] <ogra> Matt|: nope, i havent, but i dont think it will break.....
[05:11] <Matt|> k i'll try
[05:11] <ogra> Kabuto: doesnt work ?
[05:11] <Kabuto> No it doesn't.
[05:12] <Kabuto> I get hits but no connection.
[05:12] <ogra> Matt|: you can always hit stop if it wantd to remove to much
[05:12] <ogra> Kabuto: can you try: ping archive.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <Karakth> Does ubuntu disable root?
[05:13] <ogra> Karakth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:13] <RubenV> yes
[05:13] <RubenV> for a reason :)
[05:13] <Karakth> k
[05:14] <franc1> yet the quickcam: Should "modprobe videodev"  create a /dev/video* or /dev/v4l/* ? It didn't...
[05:14] <Kabuto> ogra: see the #flood.
[05:14] <jblack> anybody in London?
[05:15] <gerg> i'm in Bristol which is almost close :)
[05:15] <ogra> Kabuto: could you use synaptic ? and set up your repositorys like this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:16] <ogra> Kabuto: btw, you need no sudo for ping :)
[05:16] <Skwid_> can i use lilo rather than grub ??
[05:16] <Matt|> jblack, yes
[05:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: yes
[05:17] <Skwid_> ok
[05:17] <ogra> Skwid_: you can, but i wouldnt.....
[05:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: LILO is a piece of crap
[05:17] <jblack> matt: Cool. Anything cool to do on sunday night that's reachable via the underground?
[05:17] <Skwid_> hum, grub is ugly :)
[05:17] <Matt|> jblack, erm... what do you like doing?
[05:18] <ogra> Skwid_: grub is well integrated.....
[05:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: LILO is even worse
[05:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: you can place skins on grub
[05:18] <jblack> That's a difficult question.
[05:18] <Skwid_> ok
[05:18] <ogra> Skwid_: grub offers you to edit the settings on boot
[05:18] <Kabuto> Ok my synaptic is open.
[05:18] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, whats the point of putting skins on grub?
[05:18] <ogra> Skwid_: ever tried to edit lilo.conf before boot ? *g*
[05:18] <Skwid_> ogra: so how do i install stuff i don't find on synaptic, even with uni/multiverse on ?
[05:19] <jblack> something reasonably cheap, that involves some people, but not too many.
[05:19] <ogra> Skwid_: what for instance ?
[05:19] <Skwid_> ogra: php5
[05:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Feelling happy while watching your boot
[05:19] <ogra> Kabuto: make it look like in the shots.....
[05:19] <Skwid_> and amsn is at version 0.92 ...
[05:19] <Matt|> jblack, erm dunno better try timeout magazine
[05:19] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, you mean feeling happy while deciding what to boot?
[05:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Yes
[05:20] <jblack> Ok. THanks for the advice.
[05:20] <ogra> Skwid_: the clean way would....compile it and build a .deb
[05:20] <ogra> be
[05:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Imagine a Naomi Campbell "boot"
[05:20] <Matt|> jblack, sorry i haven't been here long either
[05:20] <Matt|> ewwwwwwwww
[05:20] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, point taken
[05:20] <Matt|> not by me
[05:20] <Matt|> that's horrible
[05:20] <Skwid_> ogra: uh ??
[05:21] <ogra> Skwid_: so you can be sure it works on your sys :)
[05:21] <Matt|> ogra, all of the openoffice packages depend on the debian one
[05:21] <Kabuto> Do I need "deb-src" on repositories?
[05:21] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, bad
[05:21] <Matt|> *grins*
[05:21] <Skwid_> ogra: debian packages don't work on ubuntu ?
[05:21] <Matt|> bloody debian
[05:21] <ogra> Kabuto: to build from source....
[05:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: Can work but can crash your system too
[05:22] <ogra> Skwid_: you shouldnt mix the distros....
[05:22] <GotD0t> so anybody know how to get my ATI 9700 pro 3D accelerated in hoary?
[05:22] <Skwid_> stinx
[05:22] <ogra> Kabuto: you dont need them if you dont want to compile stuff....
[05:23] <ogra> GotD0t: daniels has put up some experimental packages ...... *EXPERIMENTAL* !
[05:23] <GotD0t> ogra, link?
[05:24] <daniels> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/$(ARCH)/
[05:24] <ogra> GotD0t: wannw try them ? i386: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/
[05:24] <franc1> yet the quickcam: modules 'c-qcam' and 'videodev' are loaded, but i still can't see a video device...
[05:24] <ogra> :)
[05:24] <GotD0t> ogra: what are the packages called
[05:24] <ogra> franc1: look in the device manager....the advanced tab shows if there is a /dev/... and how it is named
[05:25] <Kabuto> ogra: synaptic gave me a weird message.
[05:26] <ogra> Kabuto: but it looks exactly like in the Howto ?
[05:27] <Kabuto> Yeah just have "deb archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/" and "deb security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
[05:27] <micsch> hi
[05:28] <ogra> Kabuto: distrtibution lines for show warty ?
[05:28] <ogra> -show
[05:28] <micsch> bob2: gdesklets works fine, thank you
[05:28] <netmonk> Does anyone know if hoary will include a more developed dc/dvd burning program?
[05:29] <ogra> Kabuto: and in the non security one the sections: main restricted universe ?
[05:29] <RubenV> when it matures
[05:30] <Kabuto> No I'll change that.
[05:30] <ogra> RubenV: still missing audio :(
[05:30] <RubenV> rhythmbox
[05:30] <micsch> irc and festival is very funny :-)
[05:30] <franc1> About the quickcam device: Does  someting like "/sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:1f.2/usb1/1-2" makes any sense?
[05:30] <ogra> Kabuto: just make it look the same....and for testing, just leave this one checked
[05:30] <GotD0t> is there a way i can view only the packages in a certain repo?
[05:31] <Kabuto> Received the same error.
[05:31] <ogra> franc1: this indicates the kernel module seems to work fine :)
[05:31] <ogra> Kabuto: switched off everything execpt this entry ?
[05:32] <franc1> ogra: yes, the modprobes didn't complain
[05:32] <ogra> franc1: i have no idea why your videodev is missing though
[05:32] <franc1> ogra: :(
[05:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> My father dislikes iron maiden and likes green day I'm d00med
[05:33] <ogra> franc1: does: lsmod|grep v4l    show something ?
[05:33] <Kabuto> What do you mean by switching off everything?  I have only two enabled on repositiores.
[05:34] <ogra> Kabuto: enable just the one that is shown in the screenshot....uncheck security while we are testing.....
[05:34] <franc1> lsmod!grep v4l shows "v4l2_common             6400  0" (I also did modprobe to v4l2_common)
[05:34] <GotD0t> once i install the stuff from daniels repo what do i do
[05:34] <ogra> GotD0t: i guess following the BinaryDriverHowto will work....havent tried it yet though
[05:34] <Micksa> could debootstrap be used to bootstrap ubuntu?
[05:35] <Micksa> I guess I could give it a shot huh
[05:35] <ogra>  Micksa: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[05:36] <Kabuto> Its the same network problem again.
[05:36] <Micksa> ah, it's all in there, neat :)
[05:36] <ogra> Kabuto: show your sources.list again....
[05:38] <siretart> I've just written an howto for using x2x in ubuntu. would someone review it please: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/X2xHowto
[05:38] <ogra> Kabuto: looks sane now.... strange
[05:39] <ogra> Kabuto: and you can ping the server ?
[05:39] <Kabuto> Yes
[05:39] <DutchFish> Can I ask a q about ubuntu configuration?
[05:39] <ogra> Kabuto: can you see this url ? http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/
[05:40] <Kabuto> Oki
[05:40] <DutchFish> yes, why?
[05:40] <Matt|> DutchFish, go ahead and ask
[05:40] <ogra> Kabuto: seeing it in firefox.......?
[05:40] <Kabuto> My firefox can see it.
[05:40] <DutchFish> mine too
[05:41] <KobrAs> i can
[05:41] <ogra> Kabuto: hmm, thats really strange....the Packages.gz is what synaptic wants, so its no network prob....synaptic is set up correctly....
[05:42] <ogra> Kabuto: i have no idea anymore, except you have set up a proxy or something in synaptic.....
[05:42] <DutchFish> Who can help me with configuration of my monitors freqenties? (where to find the config)
[05:42] <DutchFish> I am new to ubuntu
[05:42] <Kabuto> Ok thanks anyways ogra.  I'll look into this strange thing.
[05:42] <GotD0t> well i tried restarting X and i still get the message saying "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
[05:43] <DutchFish> is there a config tool (graphical) in ubuntu... xconfig isnt there
[05:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> DutchFish: Lookf for XFree86-4
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can I search for an specific file in my system?
[05:44] <DutchFish> man find
[05:44] <ogra> DutchFish: in a terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> like a search command to catch parcial matches
[05:44] <DutchFish> ty
[05:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> what is state.sah?
[05:45] <DutchFish> yes find can do that Iman
[05:45] <GotD0t> anybody know how to make sure firefox will only open on a certain display... no matter which display called it?
[05:45] <MobyTurbo> _|Imanewbie|_, if updatedb has run, "locate" is the fastest. Otherwise use "find".
[05:46] <rapha> Yo
[05:46] <Hikaru79> How do you check the md5sum of something in Windows?
[05:46] <rapha> What package is inittools in?
[05:47] <rapha> Hikaru79: search google for "md5 win32" or something.
[05:47] <ogra> rapha: what is inittools ?
[05:47] <rapha> ogra: /sbin/init and the like
[05:47] <Tomcat_> Hikaru79: Get "fsum"
[05:48] <rapha> ogra: I need the source.
[05:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[05:48] <rapha> ogra: Except if you can tell me how to halt the computer using system calls.
[05:48] <Tomcat_> fsum can do MD2, MD4, MD5, SHA-1, SHA-2( 256, 384, 512), RIPEMD-160, PANAMA, TIGER, ADLER32, CRC32;
[05:48] <MobyTurbo> _|Imanewbie|_, then the updatedb cron job hasn't run yet, as I'd mentioned.
[05:48] <sfvg> hello...where can i get flash
[05:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> MobyTurbo: oki
[05:49] <MobyTurbo> _|Imanewbie|_, run updatedb manually or use find.
[05:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> sfvg: go to www.macromedia.com and jkust get the binarie, run it and everything will be auto set ut
[05:50] <sfvg> which binary?
[05:50] <Tomcat_> Better get the flash plugin from universe...
[05:50] <sfvg> thank you
[05:50] <Tomcat_> Or multiverse... whatever.
[05:50] <ogra> rapha: initscripts i think
[05:50] <Tomcat_> Wait a sec.
[05:50] <rapha> Oh! no I was wrong ogra, it's called sysvinit.
[05:50] <rapha> Okay, that should tell the package name as well :]
[05:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> sfvg: What for Tomcat_ he said Ubuntu has a package...
[05:51] <MobyTurbo> sfvg, flashplayer-mozilla is in multiverse.
[05:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> Bad typo dammit
[05:51] <Tomcat_> sfvg: flashplayer-mozilla in multiverse... works with Firefox from the start.
[05:51] <Tomcat_> Oh... MobyTurbo had it first. :)
[05:52] <ogra> rapha: dpkg -S /sbin/halt ;)
[05:52] <sfvg> im getting it now from universe
[05:52] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, sorry about that. :-)
[05:52] <sfvg> thank you
[05:53] <rapha> thx ogra :)
[05:54] <sfvg> i have ubuntu installed and working with my Orinoco card..but its connected to the wrong wireless access point...where can i change that?
[05:55] <siretart> sfvg: in computer->systemconfiguration->network you can change the essid
[05:55] <gson> my mplayer wont find esd(dsl) sound output, do i have to compile it in a certain way, or how do i make it work?
[05:55] <siretart> sfvg: or do you have multiple ap serving the same network?
[05:55] <sfvg> im there and not seeing essid settings
[05:56] <sfvg> no
[05:56] <ogra> siretart: on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/X2xHowto ... you should point out the big security hole you open with enabling TCP conns in gdm
[05:56] <siretart> sfvg: remove the network interface and readd it
[05:56] <sfvg> ok
[05:56] <sfvg> thank you
[05:56] <siretart> ogra: are you aware of concrete threads?
[05:57] <siretart> s/threads/threats/
[05:57] <ogra> siretart: nope, but you open a port on a system where every external access is disabled by default....if someone relies on that he/she should be aware that
[05:58] <ogra> so a wrning would be goo i think
[05:58] <ogra> warning
[05:59] <siretart> ogra: ok, i'm on it..
[05:59] <ogra> siretart: otherwise it looks ok.... :)
[06:00] <gson> my mplayer wont find esd(dsl) sound output, do i have to compile it in a certain way, or how do i make it work?
[06:01] <gson> jiyuu0 help me m8 :)
[06:01] <Mayday> gson: mplayer will find esd if you have the esd dev packages installed when you "./configure" it
[06:02] <siretart> ogra: i've added a note. do you agree to that?
[06:02] <ogra> siretart: yep, looks fine :)
[06:05] <gson> Mayday jupp
[06:05] <gson> which packet do i need so mplayer will find esd?
[06:05] <gson> because it wont find it auto
[06:07] <WoRsTeBoY> hi, i am a compleet newb, reading a guide, they want me to execute a .sh file, how do i do that
[06:07] <ogra> gson: does it work with the -ao esd option ?
[06:07] <KobrAs> WoRsTeBoY: sh name.sh
[06:07] <gson> wont find esd...
[06:07] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: sh file.sh
[06:07] <gson> only oss and the others
[06:07] <gson> like 4 different drivers
[06:07] <WoRsTeBoY> Lol that is so easy that i'm embarrased i didnt find it myselve
[06:07] <WoRsTeBoY> thnx KobrAs
[06:07] <gson> but not esd
[06:07] <dmzen> Does anyone have experience getting spamassassin working with Evolution?
[06:08] <gson> which packet do i need in synaptic
[06:08] <ogra> gson: libesd0-dev is installed ?
[06:08] <gson> yepp
[06:09] <gson> liballe-esdplugin?
[06:09] <eruin> pfff, I have to chmod 777 /dev/nv* on every boot to run fullscreen 3d stuff
[06:09] <gson> hm. maybe alsa works
[06:09] <siretart> gson: <hint> marillat's mplayer for sarge is already compiled with esd support
[06:10] <siretart> eruin: you might want to edit /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions
[06:10] <ogra> siretart: i heard marillat has dependency issues ....
[06:11] <siretart> ogra: really? i'm not aware of any. but you need to use the sarge versions..
[06:11] <siretart> ogra: if there are any, then someone should recompile the repository for ubuntu..
[06:11] <ogra> siretart: i know....there were some ppl last week where it didnt work anymore
[06:11] <siretart> oh..
[06:12] <siretart> but.. "it works for me" [tm]  :/
[06:12] <sfvg> thanks sire...all connected to the right ap now...it did take a restart tho
[06:12] <WoRsTeBoY> anyone an idea of this chinese phrase ? Please enter CVS password (3 tries):
[06:12] <WoRsTeBoY> \033Password is probably\033 : \033cvs\033
[06:13] <ogra> siretart: just trying.....
[06:13] <CraHan> ok so what's been cooking in here?
[06:14] <gson> siretart ill try with alsa now..
[06:14] <jcoventry> 75% of Ubuntu installed on my iMac...
[06:14] <jcoventry> hehe
[06:14] <ogra> siretart: seems to work.....no probs
[06:14] <ogra> siretart: wrong alert....sorry
[06:15] <ogra> gson: so why dont you take the precompiled packages ?
[06:16] <gson> because they are not in synaptic
[06:16] <gson> where can i get em?
[06:16] <gson> iam trying with alsa, lets see if it works :)
[06:16] <ogra> gson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:16] <gson> k nice man
[06:17] <siretart> ogra: well, you are right nevertheless: marillat compiles his packages for debian. dependency problems could and will occur sometime. I think someone should "fork" his work for ubuntu.
[06:17] <ogra> gson: add the marillat repository, refresh  and install
[06:18] <ogra> siretart: probably.... but this someone should have free bandwidth for his repos..... ;)
[06:19] <siretart> ogra: and a working buildd/sbuild setup! i have no experience in that.. :(
[06:19] <gson> k ogra
[06:19] <ogra> siretart: i think its documented, so it shouldnt be a prob to set up
[06:21] <siretart> ogra: hmm.. perhaps i find some time the next weeks to set something up...
[06:21] <ogra> siretart: :)
[06:23] <gson> works fine now ogra
[06:24] <ogra> gson: good :)
[06:24] <gson> mplayer found esd driver when i switched in synaptic to alsa:)
[06:24] <gson> dont know why but heh
[06:24] <ogra>  when i switched in synaptic to alsa ???
[06:25] <gson> i installed alsa package in synaptic
[06:26] <gson> instead of the esd-dev
[06:26] <ogra> gson: ah...
[06:26] <gson> and then it worked
[06:26] <gson> :)
[06:26] <ogra> gson: now it makes sense to me.....
[06:26] <gson> hehe:D
[06:26] <gson> movie time! cya
[06:26] <gson> tnx for the help
[06:26] <amr> hey, im a total newb, i've used linux for about 2 days, and i would like to know how to change the desktop wallpaper can anyone help me ?
[06:27] <WoRsTeBoY> right mousebutton
[06:27] <ogra> amr: right clik on the desktop :)
[06:27] <WoRsTeBoY> and i'm a noob from one day :D
[06:27] <amr> haha
[06:27] <amr> it says change desktop wallpaper or something but still wont work
[06:27] <amr> when i click on it
[06:28] <siretart> amr: i get a dialogue with wallpaper selection
[06:28] <amr> wierd
[06:29] <amr> any other way
[06:29] <amr> ??
[06:29] <ogra> amr: you are using warty in a default setup ?
[06:29] <egon_spengler> Or use Computer->Desktop Preferences->Desktop Background
[06:30] <amr> im sorry i have no idea what that means im a total newb, a friend of my friends installed it for me :)
[06:30] <egon_spengler> amr, Top Bar, Item labeled Computer, then Desktop Preferences Item, then Desktop Background item
[06:30] <ogra> amr: type cat /etc/issue in a terminal and see what it says
[06:36] <siretart> a friend is trying to install ubuntu, but he doesnt get to the installer. isolinux says this: loading spec packet failed, trying to wing it.. isolinux: found something at drive = 9F
[06:36] <siretart> anyone having a idea whats going wrong?
[06:37] <amr> egon_spengler, hmm i found it but it loads for about 30 seconds and then nothing happens
[06:37] <WoRsTeBoY> rpm -Uvh msfonts-1.2.1-1.src.rpm gives error: cannot write to %sourcedir /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES (me = noob)
[06:37] <amr> i feel that something isnt right cuz now i cant even open a terminal
[06:37] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: rpm isnt used in ubuntu
[06:38] <ogra> amr: that sounds bad
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> i have to use alien to convert to deb ?
[06:38] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: try "apt-get install msttcorefonts". perhaps you want that
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> ah,
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> k
[06:38] <amr> how can i reboot without the terminal ?
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> ill search the package
[06:38] <ogra> siretart: what kind of CD is that ?
[06:38] <ogra> amr: just logout, it offers to reboot
[06:39] <siretart> ogra: ubuntu warty release install cd. i386
[06:39] <ogra> amr: on boot look if there is written
[06:39] <ogra> Hoary
[06:39] <ogra> hmm
[06:41] <Matt|> siretart, where do you get that package?
[06:41] <siretart> Matt|: its in ubuntu universe
[06:41] <Matt|> nope
[06:41] <WoRsTeBoY> siretart: if i convert the RPM with alien to an .deb, then can i use it ? (I like tahoma and that isnt in "apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[06:41] <Matt|> i can't find that package at all
[06:41] <Matt|> :(
[06:41] <ogra> Matt|: i can....
[06:41] <Matt|> ogra, where is it?
[06:41] <WoRsTeBoY> Matt|:  you search the fonts ?
[06:41] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: nobody can guarantee that that rpm will not interfere with ubuntu's own packages. I recommend using rpm2cpio and putting that tahoma.ttf in your ~/.gnome2/fonts
[06:41] <Matt|> no package found
[06:42] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, multiverse (its not tagged) ?
[06:42] <Matt|> i don't know if i've stuck in multiverse
[06:43] <WoRsTeBoY> owke siretart now some freaky shit is happening, but i have mounted my windows ntfs disks, so can i copy tahoma.ttf to ~/.gnome2/fonts for the same effect ?
[06:43] <siretart> Matt|: try this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts_1.1.11_all.deb
[06:44] <Matt|> alright
[06:44] <ogra> hehe
[06:44] <Matt|> it's obviously not in the hoary branch
[06:44] <WoRsTeBoY> brb food !
[06:44] <Matt|> thanks siretart
[06:44] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: enable universe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[06:44] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: try it. i think you need to relogin, but i never tried that myself..
[06:45] <siretart> Matt|: perhaps you want to have both warty and hoary lines in your sources.list?
[06:45] <ogra> siretart: bah, no
[06:45] <Matt|> siretart, maybe.
[06:45] <siretart> ;)
[06:45] <Matt|> ogra, what is multiverse btw?
[06:46] <siretart> Matt|: debian contrib, i.e. non-free stuff
[06:46] <ogra> Matt|: like debians non-free
[06:46] <Matt|> ogra, there is nothing about it on that wiki page
[06:46] <ogra> Matt|: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247/
[06:47] <Matt|> ogra, what is the address?
[06:47] <ogra> Matt|: read it ;)
[06:47] <Matt|> i have
[06:47] <micsch> does anybody know how i can move the gdesklets displays?
[06:48] <Matt|> ogra, i dont follow ya
 ogra, what is multiverse btw?
[06:49] <Matt|> oh yeah i got that part
[06:49] <Matt|> you already answered it :)
[06:49] <Matt|> what about the address part?
[06:49] <ogra> Matt| address part ?
[06:49] <micsch> i should read the man page, sorry for spamming ;-)
[06:49] <Matt|> what is the address for multiverse
[06:50] <ogra> Matt|: just add it behind universe in your repos
[06:50] <ogra> Matt|: space separated
[06:50] <Matt|> oh i c
[06:51] <dacobi> any info wether work is being done on an official netinst image?
[06:51] <Matt|> thanks ogra
[06:51] <ogra> :)
[06:51] <Matt|> yeah found that pesky font package
[06:52] <GotD0t> ogra: any last ideas about daneils drivers and actually getting them 3d Accelerated?
[06:53] <ogra> GotD0t: only whats written on the wiki....i.e. make sure the nvidia module gets loaded and use the nvidia X driver
[06:53] <GotD0t> ogra: you mean the binarydriver howto?
[06:53] <ogra> GotD0t: yep
[06:53] <Tomcat_> My laptop won
[06:54] <Tomcat_> My laptop won't come back up after suspend-to-RAM... what can I do? (Screen stays black, everything else starts normally... can even ssh in)
[06:54] <Fubar> hello
[06:54] <GotD0t> ogra: that requires me to install fglrx-driver... which i cant because it conflicts with xorg
[06:54] <Fubar> how can i install ubuntu for vmware?
[06:54] <ogra> Tomcat_: try switching to console and back
[06:54] <Fubar> i installed vmware just now
[06:54] <Fubar> i want to use ubuntu
[06:54] <netmonk> Tomcat_,  try Ctrl+F1 and then Ctrl+F7
[06:54] <Tomcat_> ogra: Didn't help.
[06:54] <Matt|> Tomcat_, they are working on it
[06:54] <Fubar> do i just install ubuntu normally?
[06:55] <Matt|> Tomcat_, you could try ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[06:55] <ogra> GotD0t: isnt that in daniels repo
[06:55] <Tomcat_> Matt|: Okay... it's nothing serious as Ubuntu is really fast starting up... but it would be nice to have a quick suspend.
[06:55] <gelfling> does anyone know much about ssh and scp. Basicly I want to ssh into a machine and copy some files off it my my home dir
[06:55] <Matt|> Tomcat_, yeah i know what you mean
[06:56] <Tomcat_> Matt|: I saw this page... not sure if I should try it... :o
[06:56] <Matt|> Tomcat_, try that kernel and maybe report it if it doesn't work, then they can get fixing
[06:56] <ogra> gelfling: use nautilus
[06:56] <Matt|> Tomcat_, just make sure you keep your other kernel ;)
[06:56] <dacobi> Fubar: a normal instalation ought to work
[06:56] <GotD0t> ogra: from what i can tell the only thing in his repo are the updated linux-restricted modules
[06:56] <Fubar> dacobi:  u use vmware?
[06:56] <gelfling> ogra: ???
[06:56] <Fubar> dacobi:  I never used vmware before, i got a trial version
[06:57] <Fubar> dacobi:  I want to install ubuntu on my 2nd hd
[06:57] <ogra> gelfling: File->Connect to Server
[06:57] <chihau> hello, i have problems with the MP3 files and Rhythmbox, its the rhythmbox error: "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[06:57] <ogra> gelfling: select ssh
[06:57] <Matt|> gelfling, yeah nautilus is excellent for that
[06:57] <ogra> gelfling: then drag and drop ;)
[06:57] <gelfling> oh, wow. didn't know you could do that. Awsome!
[06:57] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: have you tried disbling DRI in your XF86config?
[06:57] <Fubar> dacobi:  So i install it then setup virtual for it?
[06:57] <Tomcat_> Fwiffo: Not yet...
[06:58] <Fwiffo> ok, DRI is usully giving trouble like the ones you describe
[06:58] <Fwiffo> usually
[06:58] <dacobi> Fubar: do you want to install on a virtual disk or a real one?
[06:58] <ogra> GotD0t: look at the repo http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/l-r-m/i386/
[06:58] <gelfling> cause all the bits I read for scp where "heres how to copy file to a remote system" and I wanted from remote
[06:58] <gelfling> kewl thanks guys ^_^
[06:59] <GotD0t> ogra: hmm... synaptic isnt showing the new fglrx-driver options
[06:59] <dacobi> Fubar: I dont follow you: setup virtual?
[06:59] <ogra> GotD0t: refreshed ?
[06:59] <Fubar> dacobi:  You use vmware?
[07:00] <dacobi> Fubar: its been a while since I've used it
[07:00] <Fubar> oh ok
[07:00] <GotD0t> ogra: his versions require xserver-xfree86
[07:00] <Fubar> nevermind then
[07:00] <Fubar> ill figure it ok
[07:00] <dacobi> Fubar: but I installed debian under vmware once
[07:00] <Fubar> dacobi i see, and it worked fine?
[07:00] <GotD0t> ogra: which cannot be installed because they conflict with xserver-xorg
[07:00] <TheCan> what modules do i need to activate to be able to boot my custom kernel (without initrd) ?
[07:01] <ogra> GotD0t: i thought he said they are hoary.....hmmm....
[07:01] <dacobi> Fubar: once vmware was configured the debian install process was no different then a normal install
[07:02] <ogra> TheCan: the ones that are currently loaded i guess
[07:02] <GotD0t> ogra: apparently the nvidia glx drivers he supplied dont require xserver-xfree86
[07:02] <ogra> TheCan: at least disk and filesystems......
[07:02] <TheCan> ogra, ah good idea...it looks like i dont have the ide driver compiled in thats why it panics
[07:02] <GotD0t> ogra: when he comes around we'll have to mention that to him
[07:03] <gelfling> hmmm what am i missing, I can ssh to the box from bash but not nautilus
[07:03] <ogra> GotD0t: yep....except it is wanted this way.....
[07:03] <GotD0t> ogra, what do you mean
[07:03] <ogra> GotD0t: so ask him before you bug him ;)
[07:04] <micsch> bob2, here is my screenshot, thanx for your gdesklets tips http://stud.uni-sb.de/~misc5001/Bildschirmfoto-2.png
[07:04] <GotD0t> ogra, what do you mean its wanted this way.... i thought the point was to get 3d accleration working in hoary
[07:05] <ogra> GotD0t: probably the ati drivers are some other updates....
[07:05] <GotD0t> ogra, hmm... whatever, ill just ask him botu it
[07:05] <ogra> thats what i meant ;)
[07:06] <Tomcat_> Fwiffo: Disabling DRI didn't help, but Thanks.
[07:06] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: too bad :/
[07:08] <gelfling> hmmm what am i missing, I can ssh to the box from bash but not nautilus
[07:08] <GotD0t> ogra: in his article he posted about the drivers he had told you replace the driver in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ do you know what that was to accomplish?
[07:08] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: I think i read something about some people having to do some 'chvt's to get their display bac up after resume
[07:09] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: perhaps something you migt look into
[07:09] <Tomcat_> chvt... mh...
[07:09] <Fwiffo> something like chvt 1 chvt 7
[07:10] <Tomcat_> Well I tried switching between terminals and X...
[07:10] <Tomcat_> But that didn't help.
[07:10] <Fwiffo> ok :(
[07:10] <Yuusen> does anyone have experience with installing ubuntu powerpc edition on an external firewire hard drive?
[07:10] <gelfling> has anyone used nautilus to ssh into a box?
[07:11] <ogra> GotD0t: this one ? http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/013184.html
[07:11] <ogra> ugh
[07:11] <ogra> gelfling: yep....
[07:11] <kaiser-> where can i get mplayer?
[07:12] <ogra> kaiser-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:14] <gelfling> cool....
[07:14] <ogra> gelfling: works ?
[07:16] <gelfling> nope, i trying to find the eqivlent of ssh user@server so far i get You can stop this operation by clicking cancel
[07:16] <gelfling> and thats about it
[07:17] <Stuttergart> gelfling: you are trying to use nautilus to copy files over SSH?
[07:17] <ogra> gelfling: using the connect to server dialog ?
[07:17] <gelfling> yup
[07:17] <gelfling> to both
[07:18] <Stuttergart> sftp://username@host/path
[07:18] <Stuttergart> ?
[07:18] <ogra> gelfling: filled the form correctly ?
[07:18] <Stuttergart> or, as ogra says, you can use the "Connect to server" menu item.
[07:18] <Stuttergart> or do I misunderstand the issue?
[07:18] <ogra> Stuttergart: nope...
[07:19] <gelfling> probably not if its not working, I know the server and the user name i want to use, its using port 22 for ssh
[07:20] <ogra> gelfling: know the dir ?
[07:20] <chihau> hello, i have problems with the MP3 files and Rhythmbox, its the rhythmbox error: "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[07:20] <Treenaks> chihau: read the website/wiki
[07:20] <Treenaks> chihau: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:21] <Treenaks> chihau: that page explains why mp3 isn't supported by default, and how to enable it
[07:21] <gelfling> well i want some configs out of /etc but i can find out what dir i normaly get dumped into on ssh login. I'll try add that
[07:21] <chihau> Treenaks, thank
[07:21] <ogra> gelfling: login manually and type: pwd
[07:21] <Treenaks> gelfling: if you login with ssh you come in your homedir..
[07:22] <gelfling> yup
[07:24] <deadshell> hi anyone home?
[07:24] <gelfling> what the diff between user name and name to use for connection?
[07:24] <gelfling> hello deadshell
[07:24] <deadshell> gelfling, name for connection should be on machine trying to connect to
[07:25] <ogra> gelfling: name to use for connection is the name that appears on the icon if mounted
[07:26] <gelfling> so its fine if there both the same, aslong as its the user name i want to use right?
[07:27] <evandro> hi all !!! can anyone tell me how do I set vim as my man pages viewer ?
[07:27] <deadshell> yeah it makes it easier
[07:27] <ogra> gelfling: it doesnt matter what you give as name to use for connection ...
[07:27] <evandro> I'm trying many aproaches but none of them works good
[07:27] <ogra> gelfling: any descriptive one will do
[07:28] <speel> hey my ubuntu install came with the old xfree any ideas how to upgrade to xorg :) ?
[07:28] <deadshell> im trying to get a printer working (hp deskjet 845c) using usb port when i add printer then choose driver its says "Select a PPD file" Whats that?
[07:28] <gelfling> speel: i think xorg is going to be in hoary but not warty
[07:29] <speel> yea i heard that to but i thaught they released xorg for ubuntu ah guess i was wrong
[07:29] <hornbeck> gelfling: xorg is in Hoary right now
[07:29] <ogra> speel: it isnt released
[07:29] <hornbeck> speel: Hoary is the next release for Ubuntu
[07:30] <ogra> speel: its unstable/development, it will get released in april
[07:30] <speel> yea i know that i just thaught they released xorg for warty
[07:30] <hornbeck> speel: nope
[07:30] <ogra> speel: nope, wont happen
[07:30] <speel> ah ok ty all :)
[07:31] <Ubnewbie> Hi, all. Anybody know if a 400MHz G3, 224MB RAM is enough to run PPC Ubuntu? I don't see "minimum requirements" on the Ubuntu web site.
[07:31] <kaiser-> hmm what ports do i need to have open in order for a friend to use a vnc on my computer ?
[07:31] <deadshell> i got it to work ha ha ha ha
[07:31] <ogra> Ubnewbie: its enough ;)
[07:31] <Zugot> I'm going to run it on p3 450 laptop with 128MB of memory
[07:31] <Zugot> as soon as I download the cd
[07:31] <Ubnewbie> ogra: Many thanks! Off I go to download.
[07:31] <gelfling> ok nautilus hates me, back to scp man reading
[07:31] <kaiser-> im on a p4 3.06ghz with 1024 RAM
[07:31] <gelfling> thanks for tryin anyway guys
[07:32] <Treenaks> kaiser-: 6900
[07:32] <Treenaks> kaiser-: I think
[07:32] <kaiser-> okay
[07:32] <hornbeck> gelfling: what is wrong?
[07:32] <gelfling> no idea
[07:32] <ogra> kaiser-: you enable vnc in Computer->Desktop Settings->Remote Desktop
[07:32] <hornbeck> gelfling: what kind of problem are you having?
[07:33] <ogra> hornbeck: sftp with nautilus.....
[07:33] <hornbeck> ogra: thanks
[07:33] <ogra> hornbeck: connect seems not to work
[07:33] <Sgood1971> Could someone please tell me if I will mess up my install if I add regular Debian sources to sources.list? Will it hose me if I do an apt-get upgrade?
[07:33] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: yes it will mess it up
[07:33] <ogra> Sgood1971: maybe....
[07:33] <kaiser-> ogra i enabled it in the terminal
[07:34] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: unless you know pinning
[07:34] <ogra> Sgood1971: rather sure, depends on the packages.....but i wouldnt try it....99% of debian are in ubuntu
[07:34] <gelfling> ssh into box, copy files off it. Cant do it, I mean I'm sure warty can, just I cant.
[07:34] <kaiser-> ogra /vnc-4.0-x86_linux # vncserver
[07:34] <Sgood1971> hornbeck, I do not, so I will leave it alone.
[07:34] <ogra> kaiser-: why not with the tool ? it is proven to work....
[07:35] <siretart> gelfling: nautilus supports "ssh://username@ip" uris. they are working fine here..
[07:35] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto/
[07:35] <kaiser-> well i have ubuntu on swedish and i cant seem to find anything that matches with what you said so i use the terminal
[07:35] <kaiser-> thats why
[07:35] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: that is a start
[07:35] <Sgood1971> ogra, I was trying to install gkrellm and could not find it. I guess I can compile from source.
[07:35] <CraHan> what's the status on the bootup splash sequence for ubuntu?
[07:35] <Sgood1971> hornbeck: Thanks for the link
[07:35] <ogra> gelfling: try what siretart said with ctrl-L in nautilus
[07:36] <ogra> Sgood1971: its there
[07:36] <gelfling> cool, I'll give it a shot
[07:36] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: apt-cache search gkrellm
[07:36] <hornbeck> that will list all the gkrellm packages
[07:36] <ogra> Sgood1971: enable universe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:37] <Sgood1971> ogra: and hornbeck: I did apt-cache search gkrellm and found nothing.
[07:37] <ogra> Sgood1971: as i said, you need universe enabled
[07:37] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: you will need to enable universe
[07:37] <Sgood1971> ogra: ah-ha !!! thanks
[07:37] <gelfling> siretart: whats the uris bit?
[07:37] <siretart> gelfling: excuse me?
[07:37] <Sgood1971> that will do it. Thanks people.
[07:37] <kaiser-> im starting to dislike this... i cant seem to enter my "home" folder on my desktop....
[07:37] <gelfling> siretart: "ssh://username@ip" uris
[07:38] <ogra> kaiser-: ??
[07:38] <siretart> gelfling: just replace "username" and "ip" with the correct values.
[07:38] <Sgood1971> kaiser-: you can add it to your panel.
[07:38] <kaiser-> yea i have it
[07:38] <kaiser-> it still wont open
[07:38] <siretart> gelfling: you may also use hostnames if your resolver is configured correctly
[07:39] <Matt|> my  sign doesn't work in openoffice, any ideas?
[07:39] <gelfling> ok, yeah nautilus hates me. Thanks anyway guys. You've gone above and beyond to try and help and I apriciate that
[07:39] <WoRsTeBoY> what was the font directory again ? cant find it using google
[07:40] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: ~/.fonts ?
[07:40] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: you mean ~/.gnome2/fonts
[07:40] <siretart> ?
[07:40] <siretart> ogra: i'm not quite sure whats the right location, do you have experience?
[07:41] <WoRsTeBoY> thnx siretart
[07:41] <ogra> siretart: ~/.fonts works fine for me, never tried  ~/.gnome2/fonts
[07:41] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: you will probably have to run fc-cache if you copy them manually
[07:41] <deadshell> what vnc app should i use?
[07:42] <ogra> deadshell: the built in ?
[07:42] <deadshell> whats it called/where is it i've been looking
[07:42] <ogra>  deadshell: for server: Computer->Desktop Settings->Remote Desktop
[07:42] <WoRsTeBoY> cant go there :s
[07:42] <WoRsTeBoY> i am using console, i am in gnome2
[07:43] <WoRsTeBoY> but no such map fonts
[07:43] <ogra>  deadshell: for client: Applications->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[07:43] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: oh, then you should hear to ogra, i never tried that myself..
[07:44] <WoRsTeBoY> ogra you got an idea, i mounted my ntfs disks and linux can actualy read my fonts :)
[07:44] <d0gmaz> i installed ubuntu on a ext2 partition and everytime i shutdown and reboot it says my filesystem is not shutdown properly can i change something in the shutdown script so it willl shutdown properly
[07:45] <WoRsTeBoY> but now i want to copy them ;)
[07:45] <Matt|> the  sign on my keyboard doesn't work in openoffice, any ideas? it just doesn't do anything. It's fine in other applications
[07:45] <deadshell> ogra, thanks thats not what i would think it was called :P
[07:46] <siretart> Matt|: you said before you use hoary. no? i think you have a broken locales setup.. sorry, I lack experience in that field..
[07:46] <Matt|> yeah hoary
[07:46] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: copy them over to ~/.fonts and run fc-cache in a terminal
[07:46] <WoRsTeBoY> thnx
[07:46] <ogra> deadshell: hehe....sometimes they hide it
[07:47] <deadshell> ogra, in plain site even : )
[07:47] <WoRsTeBoY> bash: cd: /home/worstenboy/.fonts: Onbekend bestand of map "doesnt exist" create a folder then or do all my commands as root ?
[07:47] <ogra> d0gmaz: rather use ext3
[07:47] <d0gmaz> ogra, can i change it?
[07:47] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: create it as the owner of the dir
[07:47] <WoRsTeBoY> ok ty
[07:48] <ogra> d0gmaz: with tune2fs -j /dev/hdX and change the fstab line for the disk to ext3
[07:49] <ogra> d0gmaz: ext3 is in fact ext2 with a journal :)
[07:50] <GotD0t> i think there is something wrong with the keyboard drivers in hoary.... as sometimes my entire system freezes up if i press a single key to fast too many times
[07:50] <d0gmaz> :) never knew that i thought it was a filesystem for servers and things with extra data security
[07:50] <WoRsTeBoY> ogra: Very much thanx, it worked !!!!!!!
[07:51] <TheCan> damn it...do i need to put out "initrd" support from the kernel to boot it without initrd?
[07:51] <ogra> d0gmaz: the journal offers this security.....you can pull the plug and the data gets restored  (mostly)
[07:51] <siretart> ogra: you are right. ~/.fonts is used by font-config. ~/.gnome2/fonts seams to be someting gnome specific, so fonts would only be available in gnome apps. ~/.fonts should work for every X app.
[07:52] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: :)
[07:52] <d0gmaz> ogra, do i need to "update" the fstab when i added or edit something?
[07:52] <d0gmaz> i can remember something like that
[07:52] <ogra> d0gmaz: nope
[07:53] <d0gmaz> i also added my ntfs partition but i cant mount it
[07:53] <ogra> d0gmaz: show the line
[07:53] <d0gmaz> /dev/hdb1	/mnt/disk2      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[07:54] <ogra> d0gmaz: probably : /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk2      ntfs    defaults,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[07:54] <ogra> d0gmaz: or : /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk2      ntfs    user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[07:55] <ogra> d0gmaz: would not mount it on bott but gives the mount option to users
[07:55] <ogra> boot
[07:55] <d0gmaz> i'm sorry its mounted but wont come up in the list in gnome
[07:56] <GotD0t> ogra: you need to set the umask=0 and add the option ro
[07:56] <johnny66> hi,i am trying a ubuntu live cd which is not booting on my box
[07:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: try it with the user mountable option
[07:56] <ogra> GotD0t: umask=000 is a octal 0
[07:56] <d0gmaz> ogra, ill try ill reboot anyway for the ext3
[07:56] <GotD0t> ogra: i was pointing out that you NEED it...
[07:57] <ogra> GotD0t: ro is the default for ntfs afaik, do you need it ?
[07:57] <GotD0t> johnny66, get into your bios and tell it to boot from a CD... sometimes they have the hard drive boot before the CD
[07:57] <GotD0t> ogra: i had problems without it
[07:57] <GotD0t> ogra, best to be on the safe side
[07:57] <ogra> GotD0t: good to know, thanks....(got no ntfs here)
[07:58] <d0gmaz> uhm what should i do? :P
[07:58] <ogra> GotD0t: yep, but the driver wont allow it anyway i think
[07:58] <Tomcat_> Mh... seems like I fixed my suspend problem.
[07:58] <johnny66> the bios is allready configured to boot from cd,it boots until i get the ubuntu scree & hangs there
[07:58] <ogra> d0gmaz: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk2      ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[07:59] <GotD0t> johnny66, before you burned it, did you check the md5sum against those posted on the site... it might have been corrupted
[07:59] <d0gmaz> ogra ok :)
[07:59] <d0gmaz> thanks
[07:59] <johnny66> checked that too,it the right md5sum
[07:59] <ogra> johnny66: the burning speed is essential......how fast did you burn the iso ?
[07:59] <johnny66> 0
[08:00] <ogra> johnny66: you shouldnt use faster then 8x
[08:00] <GotD0t> johnny66, your media might have been corrupted it you burned it to fast
[08:00] <eruin> what exactly is xaw3d ?
[08:00] <johnny66> i will reburn it & try again
[08:00] <GotD0t> johnny66, i would do 6x
[08:00] <d0gmaz> ogra, somthing else it complains about a randomize module wich i dont have on startup how can i stop loading it?
[08:00] <ogra> eruin: the widget set xpdf uses afaik
[08:01] <ogra> d0gmaz: pciehp ?
[08:01] <johnny66> ok gonna try at six
[08:01] <eruin> just say ugly ;)
[08:01] <d0gmaz> ogra, no
[08:01] <ogra> eruin: hehe
[08:01] <johnny66> will be back if any problem
[08:01] <ogra> d0gmaz: what else ?
[08:01] <d0gmaz> ogra, ill write it down when im back
[08:01] <ogra> d0gmaz: k
[08:03] <d0gmaz> ogra, its hw.random.ko a module
[08:04] <ogra> d0gmaz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[08:04] <ogra> d0gmaz: applys to hwrandom too
[08:05] <d0gmaz> ogra, should i put in a line with just hw.random.ko or random ?
[08:06] <ogra> hwrandom
[08:06] <d0gmaz> what is it?
[08:06] <ogra> better: hw_random
[08:07] <durandal> has anyone experienced the same thing i have: after installing Ubuntu, booting from the CD-ROM drive _stops_ working?
[08:07] <ogra> modinfo hw_random: description:    H/W Random Number Generator (RNG) driver
[08:07] <dare2dreamer> lo all.
[08:07] <GotD0t> ogra: do you think blacklisting it is a good idea, don't you think trying to fix it would be better
[08:08] <dare2dreamer> Anyone got a sec for a newbie question regarding the find command?
[08:08] <d0gmaz> hehe
[08:08] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer, ask it
[08:08] <ogra> GotD0t: you think i should solder a RNG chip on d0gmaz mainboard ?
[08:08] <d0gmaz> lol
[08:08] <GotD0t> ogra, is that what it is?
[08:08] <GotD0t> ogra, and i think you should
[08:09] <ogra> GotD0t: hehe
[08:09] <GotD0t> ogra, ;-)
[08:09] <Yuusen> im trying to install ubuntu on an external firewire drive using an apple powerbook. the initial installation stage has finished and the cd has ejected itself. how on earth do i now boot the firewire drive?
[08:09] <d0gmaz> i got a asus p4p800se i'll take a look if there is one on it
[08:09] <GotD0t> ogra, is it normal to have one on your mobo?
[08:09] <ogra> GotD0t: but you are right, there should be a script that doe the blacklisting after install
[08:09] <GotD0t> ogra, yea
[08:10] <dare2dreamer> thanks, Got. I was trying to do some file moves from my now defunct windows box, and I was trying to recursively change the file permissions on a bunch of files. I tried "find ./ -type f -exec chmod og-rwx {} ;" but got an error "find: missing argument to `-exec'"
[08:10] <GotD0t> ogra, just like the pciehp and scphp or whatever those are
[08:10] <ogra> d0gmaz: at least there is none the hw_random driver can wirk with
[08:10] <d0gmaz> ogra, i had this problem after i installed a kernel matching my cpu
[08:10] <ogra> GotD0t: yep
[08:10] <dare2dreamer> can't you toss those in hotplug's blacklist file? I know you can do that on stock debian
[08:11] <ogra> dare2dreamer: they should get in there by default....ubuntu is not debian ;)
[08:11] <dare2dreamer> I'm aware, and loving it. :-)
[08:11] <ogra> dare2dreamer: ;)
[08:11] <dare2dreamer> any thoughts on my find dilemma?
[08:12] <GotD0t> ogra, its not deadly to keep them enabled... but disabling them if they are not needed makes it more user-friendly... because it freaks people out
[08:12] <dare2dreamer> no one likes to see "fatal error, could not load module." Of course it just made me go look up what the hell "wasn't working" at the time.
[08:12] <ogra> GotD0t: first of all, yes...but second, the splash will be in hoary, so you wont see them anymore
[08:13] <GotD0t> ogra, but you still will be able to see them, right?
[08:13] <Yuusen> um, guys, im having an installation issue. anyone wanna help?
[08:13] <dare2dreamer> Gotdot: any ideas on my find question?
[08:13] <ogra> GotD0t: if you want to, i guess yes.....but not by default
[08:13] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer, no clue... but i agree with you on the splash, i like seeing whats going on
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> bummer. too many files to do by hand. guess I'll have to hack at them some more.
[08:14] <d0gmaz> you should have a button to turn the splash off
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> F2
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> kills splash on grub in most other distros.
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> think its a bootsplash default.
[08:14] <ogra> d0gmaz: there will be an option for sure
[08:14] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: you should have an option to always have it off
[08:14] <ogra> dare2dreamer: you never know what they make up for usplash ;)
[08:14] <durandal> i'm about ready to throw my laptop out the window. Ubuntu pre-emptively boots from the hard drive instead of from the CD-ROM...
[08:15] <dare2dreamer> yeah, more naked people. :-)
[08:15] <GotD0t> durandal: go into the bios...
[08:15] <durandal> i DID
[08:15] <d0gmaz> i think wine should be shipped
[08:15] <durandal> and i put CD-ROM first and Grub still loads up
[08:15] <ogra> dare2dreamer: i mean in case of functionallity....it wont be bootsplash
[08:15] <dare2dreamer> dog, I'm trying to de-windows my box...I'm just happy I didn't have to install a samba server for a change.
[08:15] <Yuusen> and while were on a startup topic. why wont yaboot install on my external firewire drive?
[08:15] <durandal> CDROM - Boot Floppy - Hard Drive - Network Boot
[08:15] <durandal> in that order
[08:15] <GotD0t> durandal: do you have two optical drives?
[08:15] <dare2dreamer> durandal, external cdrom?
[08:15] <durandal> no, just one
[08:16] <dare2dreamer> might try a boot floppy, laptop hardware sometimes acts weird on boot.
[08:16] <dare2dreamer> did a friend's laptop and the cdrom gave us fits.
[08:16] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer:  is there a way he can have grub boot from the cd?
[08:16] <durandal> yeah, but how/where can i get a boot floppy for WinXP? ;)
[08:17] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: like have a thing he can select to boot the CD
[08:17] <durandal> i'm de-Linuxing my laptop... i've tried a half dozen distros of linux and i dont like any of em
[08:17] <gson> kaiser- ahoj
[08:17] <gson> priv
[08:17] <dare2dreamer> got, I think so...but damned if I remember how. prolly just point at an entry with the appropriate /dev for the cd device.
[08:17] <GotD0t> durandal: which have you tried...
[08:17] <dare2dreamer> if not, check out syslinux. it's a lifesaver for weird hardware. boot from anything.
[08:18] <dare2dreamer> think it can do the floppy thing too.
[08:18] <d0gmaz> durandal, maybe you should try BSD
[08:18] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: i know it can do the floppy... thats why i was asking
[08:18] <dare2dreamer> basically acts as a bios loader for bootable cdroms on systems without bootcd bios.
[08:18] <durandal> Fedora Cores 2 and 3, Mandrake, MEPIS, Knoppix/Gnoppix, and Ubuntu
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> I'd imagine grub can, hell I've seen people use grub to load from isos before.
[08:19] <durandal> and Ubuntu is the one i've had the most problems with
[08:19] <GotD0t> durandal: what didn't you like about ubuntu
[08:19] <skullbocks> hi
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> really? Ubuntu made me a switcher.
[08:19] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: really? thats cool
[08:19] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: really about booting from isos
[08:19] <ogra> dare2dreamer: :)
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> Got, yeah...if you search around the damnsmalllinux forums you'll likely find something on it.
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> I think it was isos, it may have been the loop files in the iso though.
[08:19] <skullbocks> does anyboby manage to play war3 with ubuntu ?
[08:19] <durandal> well, i really dont like Linux _at all_... its not ready for the desktop
[08:20] <durandal> in my humble opinion
[08:20] <dare2dreamer> duran, I thought that till recently. Then my windows box almost took out my business.
[08:20] <GotD0t> durandal: well ubuntu seems to be the thing that will eject linux into the mainstream
[08:20] <dare2dreamer> Now, my company did the Ernie Ball thing and switched like there was no turning back.
[08:21] <GotD0t> durandal: in my humble opinion
[08:21] <Yuusen> can someone spare a moment from the ubuntu back-slapping to help me out with an installation problem?
[08:21] <durandal> i may be getting an iBook in a month or two, but until then i want a usable laptop
[08:21] <dare2dreamer> I'll take a crack at it.
[08:21] <GotD0t> Yuusen: whats goingo n
[08:21] <GotD0t> durandal: why not go for a powerbook?
[08:21] <dare2dreamer> powerbooks, lovely but pricey.
[08:21] <GotD0t> durandal: i've decided the next computer i'll buy will tbe the 12 inch powerbook
[08:21] <d0gmaz> durandal, on what platform are you?
[08:22] <dare2dreamer> Yuusen, what's the hangup?
[08:22] <durandal> cant afford one, really.
[08:22] <Yuusen> im trying to install ubuntu on my powerbook. i want to try it out on an external drive before i wipe my main. the installer disk recognises the external drive and installs the first stage.
[08:22] <GotD0t> Yuusen: yea man.. ask your problem
[08:22] <Yuusen> the only thing is that yaboot doesnt install and i have no obvious way to boot from the drive to complete the installation.
[08:22] <durandal> my current laptop is a hefty Compaq Presario 700 (x86)
[08:22] <dare2dreamer> man, I haven't played with enough ppc hardware to really be of use here. Someone else a macified genius?
[08:23] <dare2dreamer> there is another bootloader for ppc I saw once, might try it.
[08:23] <GotD0t> Yuusen: i wish i could help... only thing i know about powerbooks and macs in general is that i want one
[08:23] <d0gmaz> :)
[08:23] <dare2dreamer> can't remember the name though...only saw it once when I was helping a friend do evil things to an old powerpc.
[08:24] <GotD0t> evil things dare2dreamer?
[08:24] <Yuusen> okay, so i wonder if you could help me applying some general linux knowledge instead: the installer suggested that i boot the kernel by hand. how do i do that?
[08:24] <dare2dreamer> yes, EVIL things. As I recall said 50 pound pile of scrap is now running his network. :-)
[08:24] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: haha
[08:25] <dare2dreamer> boot by hand? Hm. That actually sounds like that other loader I read about. hang on, let me see if I can find something on it,
[08:25] <Yuusen> thankx very much dare2dreamer
[08:25] <dare2dreamer> no problem.
[08:25] <dare2dreamer> back in a flash, hopefully with news
[08:26] <jcoventry> i'm back
[08:26] <jcoventry> now that i'm in ubuntu
[08:26] <jcoventry> i want to install VLC but cant get into the root account to do so.
[08:26] <GotD0t> jcoventry: use sudo and your user password
[08:26] <durandal> jcoventry: sudo -s
[08:26] <GotD0t> jcoventry: ubuntu doesn't use an actual root account
[08:26] <dare2dreamer> what kind of firmware on that ppc? oldworld or new?
[08:26] <jcoventry> ok
[08:27] <Yuusen> new
[08:27] <GotD0t> haha.... i just realized, the clock on one of my screen displays civi time and the other displays military time
[08:27] <dare2dreamer> there's allegedly a yabin that comes along with yaboot that acts like lilo. might work for you.
[08:28] <Yuusen> got a uri to the document?
[08:28] <ogra> Yuusen probably this thread sheds some light: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/007451.html
[08:28] <dare2dreamer> sure, just a sec
[08:28] <Yuusen> thankyou ogra
[08:28] <dare2dreamer> http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/
[08:28] <ogra> Yuusen: :/
[08:29] <dare2dreamer> you might also try http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install for more help
[08:29] <yam> I have to reboot lot of times in order to be able to log in X windows, the most of the times screen is just black
[08:29] <ogra> Yuusen: wont be to helpfull...
[08:29] <yam> heard of this problem? Have an ati radeon 9800
[08:29] <Yuusen> ogra: no its more of a sympathetic ear. lol
[08:29] <dare2dreamer> try turning off DPMS in X, read something about it in the forums.
[08:29] <GotD0t> yam: but you can get into X?
[08:29] <ogra> Yuusen: :)
[08:29] <d0gmaz> how can i get libwxgtk2.3-python, btdownloadgui cannot run without it, i got that through synaptic
[08:30] <dare2dreamer> gonna jet for a bit, gotta try to hash out this file/find thing.
[08:30] <yam> GotD0t: GDM always works
[08:30] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: have fun
[08:30] <yam> GotD0t: but when I enter my username/password, screen goes black and monitor led goes orange
[08:30] <ogra> d0gmaz: so  libwxgtk2.3-python should be there too
[08:30] <durandal> d0gmaz: apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
[08:30] <dare2dreamer> ayup
[08:30] <dare2dreamer> later all.
[08:30] <GotD0t> yam: try what dare2dreamer suggested, dont have a clue
[08:31] <durandal> its actually 2.4, not 2.3 if memory serves
[08:31] <Yuusen> later dare2
[08:31] <Yuusen> thanks for the help
[08:31] <d0gmaz> ogra, i though synaptic solves dependencies?
[08:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: normally it should....
[08:32] <d0gmaz> Package libwxgtk2.4-python is not available
[08:32] <d0gmaz> i installed bittorent through synaptic
[08:32] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: do a search for libwxgtk in synaptic
[08:32] <d0gmaz> i run warty
[08:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: that may be the prob .....
[08:33] <d0gmaz> cannot find anything
[08:33] <ogra> d0gmaz: its in universe
[08:34] <d0gmaz> ogra, aha
[08:34] <GotD0t> ogra: thats strange... why would a dependency be in universe when the main package is not
[08:34] <ogra> GotD0t: dunno....
[08:34] <d0gmaz> yeah i just did a clean ubuntu install updated everything not with universe or hoary on
[08:35] <d0gmaz> and installed bittorrent
[08:35] <d0gmaz> try it yourself :P
[08:35] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: i believe you, i just think its strange that it would end up like that
[08:35] <ogra> d0gmaz: bittorrent != btdownloadgui
[08:35] <johnny66> no,it does not want to seem to run on my box, i tr-burnt the ubuntu live cd,it goes until tje ubuntu screen & hangs there
[08:36] <d0gmaz> i think it is because the headless version does work
[08:36] <GotD0t> johnny66: forgive me if this sounds cynical... but did it ask you to press any buttons?
[08:36] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep....
[08:36] <bogl> Anyone help with reprobing for a monitor?
[08:36] <johnny66> well it gives you a lot of options,i left it to boot on ubuntu
[08:37] <GotD0t> johnny66: what do you mean
[08:37] <ogra> bogl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86
[08:37] <jcoventry> i couldn't do the sudo command
[08:37] <jcoventry> and i cannot use the apt-get command either
[08:37] <bogl> ogra: aha, that's not on the wiki - thanks!
[08:37] <GotD0t> jcoventry: well you need to use sudo to do apt-get
[08:38] <johnny66> well,the cd boots from the cdrom,it loads up well then you got the options,if you want to boot on failsafe or expert etc...,i left it boot on ubuntu normal
[08:38] <ogra> bogl: more detailed with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xerver-xfree86 (if the first isnt enough)
[08:38] <johnny66> going to try on another box
[08:39] <darren> Can anyone answer a question about the free Ubuntu cd's?
[08:39] <gson> someone that plays world of warcraft in ubuntu?
[08:39] <GotD0t> darren: whats your question
[08:39] <d0gmaz> but i have to say this is the best distro i tried only slackware is on nr.2
[08:39] <bogl> ogra: just checking, that is xerver not xServer?
[08:39] <ogra> bogl: argh, typo....
[08:39] <ogra> bogl: you are right
[08:39] <darren> GotD0t, If I ordered 30 would they all be sent in the same parcel?
[08:39] <GotD0t> darren: they're not free in the "i just need your credit card to make sure you're alive" sense of the word
[08:39] <bogl> ogra: no worries, thanks for that, will go & try
[08:40] <ogra> bogl: and plow uses only one dash btw
[08:40] <GotD0t> darren: i would assume so
[08:40] <johnny66> well,it's booting from an old pentium3 450mhz which is much older thatn the amd
[08:40] <bogl> ogra: thanks a lot, much obliged.  This is a great community indeed
[08:40] <darren> GotD0t, they're not free in the "i just need your credit card to make sure you're alive" sense of the word ?
[08:40] <GotD0t> darren: it was a joke...
[08:40] <GotD0t> darren: and a poor one at that
[08:40] <jcoventry> GotD0t, I got an error when trying the sudo
[08:41] <ogra> :)
[08:41] <darren> heh
[08:41] <GotD0t> jcoventry: what does it wasy
[08:41] <GotD0t> err
[08:41] <GotD0t> jcoventry: what does it say
[08:41] <mauriz> hi
[08:41] <GotD0t> hellow mauriz
[08:41] <jcoventry> hold on
[08:41] <gson> nobody that plays wow in ubuntu?:)
[08:42] <mauriz> do ubuntu mount automatically external hard disk drives?
[08:42] <jcoventry> it says
[08:42] <jcoventry> cannot execute binary file
[08:42] <ogra> jcoventry:
[08:42] <ogra> mauriz: yep
[08:42] <mauriz> ogra, hum...it means I have a pb
[08:42] <GotD0t> ogra you sure?
[08:42] <ogra> mauriz: usb ?
[08:42] <d0gmaz> someone uses the cedega transgaming?
[08:42] <mauriz> ogra, firewire
[08:43] <ogra> mauriz: should get mounted...
[08:43] <ogra> mauriz: tried plugging out and in ?
[08:43] <jcoventry> ogra, finish.
[08:43] <jcoventry> :P
[08:43] <mauriz> ogra, just tried: nothing happen
[08:43] <GotD0t> jcoventry: show me the exact command you're typing
[08:43] <ogra> jcoventry: thats all ?
[08:44] <jcoventry> sudo -s nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <d0gmaz> jcoventry, you got the discs burned?
[08:44] <ogra> mauriz: look in Computer->Desktop settings->Removable Media
[08:44] <jcoventry> yes d0gmaz
[08:44] <GotD0t> jcoventry: did you try removing the -s
[08:44] <jcoventry> but trying to install VLC right now.
[08:44] <jcoventry> no, i didn't.
[08:45] <jcoventry> worked.
[08:45] <GotD0t> sudo -s is comparable with su - i believe
[08:45] <mauriz> ogra, everything is checked, nothing happen :/
[08:45] <GotD0t> use sudo when running ONE command as the super user
[08:46] <slysy81> can someone tell me why I get this when I try an xstart? The following is the message I get if I try a startx command:
[08:46] <slysy81> [img] http://www.powersweb.co.uk/ubuntu_error.jpg[/img]
[08:46] <ogra> mauriz: could you open Computer->Desktop ?
[08:47] <johnny66> GotDot;it booted well from my sons box but does not want to boot on mine
[08:47] <mauriz> ogra, yes
[08:47] <ogra> mauriz: is it shown there ?
[08:47] <mauriz> ogra, nope
[08:48] <ogra> mauriz: smoetimes the Desktop doesnt get updated proper....
[08:48] <GotD0t> slysy81: were you editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[08:48] <ogra> mauriz: what gives: mount  .... in a terminl
[08:48] <ogra> +a
[08:49] <GotD0t> johnny66: you said yours was an amd... is it perchance the amd 64?
[08:49] <slysy81> I ran xf86config but got the same problem before I did that
[08:49] <mauriz> ogra, hum only mount? (i'm a linux newbie)
[08:49] <johnny66> how can i find out if its 64
[08:49] <ogra> slysy81: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:49] <GotD0t> johnny66: you would know if it was 64
[08:49] <slysy81> I just cant seem to get it into graphical mode at all
[08:50] <johnny66> hold on
[08:50] <GotD0t> slysy81: thats becase you don't have any screens configured
[08:50] <ogra> mauriz: mount without args shows all munted disks
[08:50] <bogl> ogra: thanks for the monitor help.  15in backup now working a treat.  Much obliged!
[08:50] <ogra> :)
[08:50] <mauriz> ogra, my disk doesn't show
[08:50] <GotD0t> slysy81: are you using a CRT?
[08:51] <slysy81> ITs a TFT connected via DVI
[08:51] <ogra> mauriz: look if it is shown in your device manager
[08:51] <slysy81> The liveCD boots ok!
[08:51] <GotD0t> slysy81: ok thats what i thought... because i didnt see any refresh lines on that photo you took
[08:51] <slysy81> Just not the install
[08:52] <jcoventry> now that i've done the sudo part...
[08:52] <GotD0t> jcoventry: hehe
[08:52] <jcoventry> i'm having a problem with the apt-get command
[08:52] <GotD0t> jcoventry: whats going on
[08:52] <jcoventry> i've put the two lines in and pressed enter and nothing happens
[08:52] <mauriz> ogra, yes it does, attached to firewire controler
[08:52] <johnny66> its an amd athlon MP 1.47 GHZ proc.platform :socket A(462PIN opga PACKAGE) FAMILY:6 MODEL:6 STEPPING:2
[08:53] <ogra> mauriz: does it have a /dev/sdX entry in the advanced tab ?
[08:53] <jcoventry> # apt-get update
[08:53] <jcoventry> # apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[08:53] <GotD0t> jcoventry: what happens?
[08:53] <kaiser-> hum when i try to configure mplayer i get Error: help/help_mp-en.h not found
[08:53] <jcoventry> nothing!
[08:53] <jcoventry> it just sits there
[08:53] <slysy81> Im going to try the command ogra suggested, anything else worth trying at the same time?
[08:53] <jcoventry> :P
[08:53] <mauriz> ogra, no
[08:53] <ogra> kaiser-: why dont you use the package ?
[08:53] <skullbocks> does any body have an idea why i can't use cout in my program ?
[08:53] <ogra> mauriz: try in a terminal: sudo modprobe sg
[08:54] <mauriz> ogra, I mounted /dev/sda1 and I can access my files
[08:54] <kaiser-> ogra,, now i dont get it... use what how ?
[08:54] <Nivlem> How do I get my firewire drive to mount read/write instead of just mounting readonly?
[08:54] <ogra> kaiser-: the mplayer package
[08:54] <jcoventry> GotD0t, got any ideas?
[08:54] <GotD0t> Nivlem: what type of filesystem is on your drive
[08:54] <GotD0t> jcoventry: one sec
[08:54] <slysy81> ok I will try it and let you know how it goes, thanks
[08:54] <Nivlem> GotD0t: hfsplus
[08:55] <jcoventry> ok.
[08:55] <GotD0t> jcoventry: were you using sudo
[08:55] <jcoventry> yes
[08:55] <kaiser-> ogra, i try to install it by ./configure --enable-gui
[08:55] <johnny66> power management contro;current c2 divisor:64
[08:55] <johnny66> default c2 divisor:64
[08:55] <melazyboy> wow gtkpod pretty l33t
[08:55] <melazyboy> one of the first gui programs that i feel is better than the windows alternatives
[08:55] <ogra> kaiser-: the marillat package is compiled with gui support.... why do you compile it yourself ?
[08:56] <GotD0t> jcoventry: so you do sudo apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[08:56] <kaiser-> marillat ?
[08:56] <jcoventry> no
[08:56] <zig`zag> wow this channel is a lot bigger than i thought it would be
[08:56] <jcoventry> without the sudo part there
[08:56] <ogra> kaiser-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:56] <kaiser-> k
[08:56] <GotD0t> jcoventry: but you used sudo -s before?
[08:57] <ogra> kaiser-: add the marillat repository to synaptic....
[08:57] <jcoventry> hold on
[08:58] <Bliksem> does ubuntu have a bootsplash?
[08:58] <ogra> Bliksem: not yet
[08:58] <Bliksem> I undertood there would be one
[08:58] <GotD0t> x-chat is retarded... it doesn't use the commands i set for firefox when opening links
[08:58] <jcoventry> ok i did that commmand you said there
[08:58] <jcoventry> and now it says it cant find the package gnome-vlc
[08:58] <GotD0t> Bliksem: its going to be in hoary from what i understand
[08:58] <Bliksem> ah
[08:58] <mauriz> ogra, no idea why it doesn't automount?
[08:59] <ogra>  Bliksem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[08:59] <GotD0t> jcoventry: then they're prob in universe or multiverse.... which means you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <jcoventry> i did that!
[08:59] <ogra> mauriz: have you loaded the sg module ?
[08:59] <jcoventry> thats what the sudo was for, before.
[08:59] <Aktarus_> hello, i need help with installation, can somebody help me please?
[08:59] <mauriz> ogra, sg module?
 mauriz: try in a terminal: sudo modprobe sg
[08:59] <GotD0t> jcoventry: oh right... haha sorry, did you do sudo apt-get update?
[08:59] <Nivlem> I have the same problem with my external firewire drive...I have to unplug the power the plug back in...it does not automount on boot
[08:59] <NewComer> no rar in restricted?
[09:00] <jcoventry> no, sudo apt-get install
[09:00] <ogra> mauriz: unmount it and plug out/in
[09:00] <GotD0t> jcoventry: no i mean before you did the install
[09:00] <FSK405C> what gives
[09:00] <mauriz> ogra, still nothing happen :/
[09:00] <jcoventry> no, i didn't.
[09:01] <FSK405C> the air force uses microsoft to avoid costs associated with security updates?
[09:01] <GotD0t> jcoventry: do that
[09:01] <FSK405C> anybody else see a problem with that?
[09:01] <ogra> mauriz: hmm, no idea...
[09:01] <GotD0t> FSK405C: i do
[09:01] <jcoventry> ok
[09:01] <jcoventry> error
[09:01] <jcoventry> it says unable to lock the administration directory, are you in root?
[09:01] <FSK405C> gotd0t: I'm glad I'm not the only one.
[09:01] <mauriz> ogra, ok, thx :)
[09:01] <GotD0t> jcoventry: you wouldn't happen to have synaptic open... would you?
[09:02] <FSK405C> Now here's a question ... whereabouts in the tree does alsaconfig sit?
[09:02] <ogra> nowhere
[09:02] <jesse_132> I installed mysql server & webmin ...  but when I try to use mysql I get "Failed to ... (create database/access database) : DBI connect failed : Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database mysql
[09:02] <jcoventry> i dont have synaptic
[09:03] <FSK405C> nowhere?
[09:03] <GotD0t> jcoventry: hmm
[09:03] <ogra> nowhere
[09:03] <slysy81> That sorted it ogra, thank you very much!
[09:03] <GotD0t> jcoventry: do ps aux and look for something along the lines of apt
[09:03] <ogra> :)
[09:03] <slysy81> Ive spent days fiddling about trying to get it to work, really appreciate it
[09:04] <Aktarus_> during the installation from the install-cd (i386), when I must partition the HD, it sees the partitions correctly but there is an error when the system triesto format or to mount them, and I noticed that on the devfs filesytem, for that hard disk are present only the "disc" and "part1" devices, while the other partiton not. I tried to make "part2", "part3" and "part4" with mknod but the system can't use these partition anyway.
[09:07] <jcoventry> woops, i do have Synaptic.
[09:07] <GotD0t> jcoventry: haha...
[09:07] <GotD0t> jcoventry: is it running?
[09:08] <jcoventry> yes, it is now.
[09:08] <GotD0t> jcoventry: the point was to make sure it is not running
[09:08] <GotD0t> jcoventry: haha
[09:08] <jcoventry> rofl ok
[09:08] <GotD0t> jcoventry: exit it and try and run the command again
[09:09] <jcoventry> ok but doesn't this thing make it easier to install apps?
[09:09] <GotD0t> jcoventry: yea... but i figured since you weren't using it that you liked the command line
[09:09] <lupus_> to bad gimp 2.2 isn't in hoary :(
[09:09] <jind-lap> Hi folks, I was just wondering: What is the name of the wifi applet in gnome?
[09:09] <GotD0t> jcoventry: some people are just weird like that (take me for example)
[09:09] <johnny66> i get this on boot mp bios bug 8254 timer not connected
[09:10] <jesse_132> 2.2 is out?
[09:10] <Exasparilla> Does x.org work well enough in Hoary for me to install it on my fiance's computer? (She has an nvidia card)
[09:10] <jcoventry> gotdot, i'd rather use synaptic.
[09:10] <jcoventry> not quite sure how it works though.
[09:10] <GotD0t> jcoventry:  then search for what you're looking for
[09:10] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: i would suggest otherwise
[09:10] <lupus_> jesse_132, no is pre
[09:11] <jesse_132> lupus_, ahh... cool still
[09:11] <Exasparilla> GotD0t: stick with xfree?
[09:11] <jind-lap> I used ubuntu before, and there was a very nice wifi applet and battery applet, and I want to have that here - but since I am using another distro right now I don't have it preinstalled
[09:11] <Exasparilla> and warty?
[09:11] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: yea
[09:11] <Exasparilla> GotD0t: thx
[09:11] <Exasparilla> I thought I could cure her of her mac envy
[09:12] <Exasparilla> (shadows and all that)
[09:12] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: oh... hehe
[09:12] <ogra_dinner> Exasparilla: in april ;)
[09:12] <Exasparilla> yeah
[09:12] <jcoventry> the search doesn't return any results.
[09:12] <GotD0t> jcoventry: make sure you click update
[09:13] <jcoventry> i dont see an update button/option
[09:13] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: except for the small fact that every thing in the gui for mac osx is 3d textured
[09:13] <GotD0t> jcoventry: sorry... reload
[09:13] <lupus_> I have read that someone is packaging the recent wine what is cool :)
[09:13] <ogra_dinner> jcoventry: refresh
[09:15] <Exasparilla> GotD0t: As long as it looks pretty, it'd be ok.  There are lots of nice gnome themes.
[09:15] <jcoventry> i must be missing something!
[09:15] <Telep> I guess there's no way to get three adjacent panes in Evolution?
[09:15] <GotD0t> jcoventry: there is a button that says reload in the top left corner with two green arrows
[09:16] <jcoventry> i dont have the toolbar....
[09:16] <jcoventry> ah did it via menu.
[09:16] <jcoventry> there we go
[09:16] <GotD0t> to get the toolbar go to settings > toolbar
[09:17] <GotD0t> im really tempted to nuke my windows partition all together
[09:18] <deang> Odd problem:  My uppercase b and question mark key do not work.
[09:18] <GotD0t> deang: thats very interesting...
[09:19] <GotD0t> deang: i can understand needed the question mark... but who uses the uppercase B?
[09:19] <zig`zag> i do
[09:19] <ogra_dinner> lol
[09:20] <jcoventry> i search for VLC and i've also tried videolan and VLC media player and it never gets the right thing?
[09:20] <GotD0t> man... you people have no sense of humor
[09:22] <GotD0t> AHH! firefox is really pissing me off
[09:23] <Matt|> is the rss headline feed thing in firefox permanently down now?
[09:24] <grendel> hello to everyone
[09:24] <GotD0t> firefox apparently doesn't like my search choices
[09:24] <GotD0t> as it keeps removing the search engine add-ons that i add
[09:24] <GotD0t> and replacing them with broken ones
[09:24] <grendel> does anyone know why is the ubuntu installation cd failing at copying files from the cd ?
[09:25] <grendel> is this common ?
[09:25] <zig`zag> corrupted cd?
[09:25] <Matt|> grendel, must be a cd failure
[09:25] <GotD0t> grendel: did you check the md5sum of the cd before burning... and what speed did you burn it at
[09:25] <Evgh> hi guys there are ready ltmodem driver for ubuntu kernel? the debian one are only for 686 compiled kernel?
[09:25] <zig`zag> or it could be the drive
[09:25] <grendel> zig`zag, Matt|, but it installed the base system just fine..
[09:25] <Matt|> grendel, might be corrupted cd anyway
[09:25] <grendel> GotD0t, yep..
[09:26] <grendel> Matt|, ok going to burn again.
[09:26] <GotD0t> grendel: you installing apps from the cd?
[09:26] <d0gmaz> how can i backup my whole boot enchilada i have ubuntu installed and have free space where im gonna install windows XP wich is gonna overwrite my mbr so i need to backup and put it back how can i do it?
[09:26] <Evgh> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
[09:26] <ogra_dinner> grendel: burn it slow !
[09:26] <grendel> ogra_dinner, ok.
[09:26] <zig`zag> just update/add packages throgh synaptic if you have the bandwidth
[09:26] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: you should make a boot floppy
[09:27] <d0gmaz> GotD0t, tell me all about it :)
[09:27] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: i dunno how to accomplish said task...
[09:28] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: but there is a way
[09:28] <zig`zag> if you have a live cd you dont really need a boot floppy, you can reinstall grub/lillo through knoppix or the like
[09:28] <GotD0t> true
[09:29] <GotD0t> but boot floppies are safer IMHO
[09:29] <zig`zag> probably
[09:29] <Zugot2> ubuntu linux loads smoothly
[09:29] <Zugot2> i'm impressed
[09:29] <d0gmaz> yes because i dont know a thing about the bootloader and wich mountpoint and kernel stuff i have to know
[09:30] <d0gmaz> i want to backup it
[09:30] <wasabi> um. my ubuntu just "died". =( I can't place it to any change either. X starts, shows the X cursor, does nothing. as soon as I move the mouse, X dies and doesn't come back
[09:31] <Evgh> hi guys there are ready ltmodem driver for ubuntu kernel? the debian one are only for 686 compiled kernel?
[09:31] <jesse_132> anyone running mythtv?
[09:31] <GotD0t> wasabi: your ubuntu didnt die... your x died
[09:31] <wasabi> well yes.
[09:31] <bruceonline> hi, does something like www.cpanel.net exist for ubuntu?
[09:32] <GotD0t> what is cpanel?
[09:33] <wasabi> that's why he pasted the site
[09:33] <bruceonline> its a control panel for webservers
[09:33] <Riddell> bruceonline: try webmin
[09:33] <GotD0t> bruceonline: apparently it does... because im seeing them in my repos
[09:33] <lumpi> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[09:33] <zig`zag> d0gmaz: nothing to do with the kernel, /etc/fstab has all your mountpoint info - its safe. just make a boot disk/use a livecd after you insall windows and reinstall grub or lillo, they are both good boot managers. they both have FAQs on the net just search google
[09:33] <bruceonline> jup
[09:34] <GotD0t> bruceonline: but im using hoary... so it might not be in the repos for warty
[09:34] <ogra> lumpi: hast du ubuntu-de schon probiert ?
[09:34] <GotD0t> wow... ogra speaks german
[09:34] <bruceonline> nicht nur orga... ;)
[09:34] <d0gmaz> zig`zag, arent there config files like in lilo with the info where the kernel is?
[09:34] <ogra> GotD0t: yep....my mothers tongue :)
[09:35] <lumpi> thx
[09:36] <bruceonline> thx for the infos...
[09:36] <GotD0t> well i live in south florida... where english is a second language
[09:36] <Slackman> heh
[09:36] <ogra> GotD0t: lol
[09:36] <Slackman> much like london :)
[09:36] <Matt|> oy
[09:36] <Matt|> we speak the queens english here
[09:36] <zig`zag> dog: the kernel and everything should be in /boot, if your using warty it will be something like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.x
[09:37] <Slackman> Matt|, just not most of london :)
[09:37] <GotD0t> im bored
[09:37] <Slackman> Matt|, when i landed I thought i'd come to the wrong country =)
[09:37] <ogra> d0gmaz: the equivalent to lilo.conf is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:37] <Matt|> bah not true
[09:37] <zig`zag> dog: i use grub and you just specify that info when installing grub, not through a config file, if i remeber correctly
[09:38] <Matt|> Slackman, our multiculturalism is a strength :)
[09:38] <Matt|> but everyone speaks english...
[09:38] <Slackman> Matt|, i didn't say it wasn't :) i'm just saying enlish is a second language to most of london
[09:39] <Matt|> hmm
[09:39] <ogra> GotD0t: against the boredom: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9804.0/0930.html
[09:39] <Matt|> not sure
[09:39] <d0gmaz> zig`zag, i dont use lilo i use grub but im new to linux so i need to know exactly before im prompted for the kernel name and dir
[09:39] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:39] <Nivlem> How does one get Ubuntu to mount hfsplus filesystem read/write...the info at sourceforge only have information about a patch for 2.4 kernels.
[09:39] <Aktarus_> grazie! :)
[09:40] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:40] <zig`zag> if english is a second langauage to most in london, whats the first?
[09:40] <Matt|> zig`zag, he means most people have a different first language
[09:40] <ogra> zig`zag: probably something arabospanishchinese ?
[09:40] <Matt|> Aktarus_, want me to copy and paste?
[09:40] <Slackman> zig`zag, not all the same first language...
[09:40] <Aktarus_> english a second language in london? sounds fun...
[09:41] <Slackman> zig`zag, its not strictly true.. =)
[09:41] <Matt|> Slackman, whereabouts were you staying?
[09:41] <zig`zag> yeah, i phrased that wrong i think... makes sense all the immigrants arn't coming from the same country
[09:41] <Slackman> Matt|, up in Tunbridge wells atm....tis very nice....very cold though
[09:41] <d0gmaz> is there something nicer than xpdf its horrible
[09:41] <Slackman> d0gmaz, gpdf
[09:42] <Matt|> Slackman, ah nice
[09:42] <zig`zag> xpdf isnt horrible, lol
[09:42] <bruceonline> what antivirus scanner is good for ubuntu to check mails ?
[09:42] <Matt|> omg
[09:42] <ogra> Slackman: not on warty.....(read it doesnt work)
[09:42] <Matt|> bruceonline, not needed
[09:42] <RubenV> bruceonline: it's linux
[09:42] <Slackman> Matt|, where abouts are you?
[09:42] <Aktarus_> during the installation from the install-cd (i386), when I must partition the HD, it sees the partitions correctly but there is an error when the system triesto format or to mount them, and I noticed that on the devfs filesytem, for that hard disk are present only the "disc" and "part1" devices, while the other partiton not. I tried to make "part2", "part3" and "part4" with mknod but the system can't use these partition anyway.
[09:42] <RubenV> forget about virusses :)
[09:42] <Matt|> Slackman, docklands
[09:42] <Matt|> east london
[09:42] <bruceonline> Hm i want to make a mailserver for windows clients... and
[09:42] <GotD0t> bruceonline: unless you want to make sure you're sending them to your windows buddies
[09:42] <bruceonline> ...
[09:42] <ogra> bruceonline: look for aegis at gnomefiles.org
[09:42] <Slackman> Matt|, ah nice...i went for an interview there...its very nice
[09:42] <Slackman> Matt|, very expensive too
[09:42] <Matt|> pretty nice
[09:43] <Matt|> nah
[09:43] <ogra> bruceonline: for servers clamav
[09:43] <Matt|> i'm very east ;)
[09:43] <Matt|> Slackman, where i am is quite comfy but very souless
[09:43] <Slackman> Matt|, souless?
[09:43] <iva> hey s0cks
[09:43] <Matt|> when my brother visited he called it a barren wasteland
[09:44] <Matt|> Slackman, not much to do ;)
[09:44] <Aktarus_> during the installation from the install-cd (i386), when I must partition the HD, it sees the partitions correctly but there is an error when the system tries to format or to mount them, and I noticed that on the devfs filesytem, for that hard disk are present only the "disc" and "part1" devices, while the other partitons not. I tried to make "part2", "part3" and "part4" with mknod but the system can't use these partitions anyway.
[09:44] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:44] <Slackman> heh, can't you take the DLR to somewhere interesting though?
[09:44] <Matt|> someone help hiM!
[09:44] <bruceonline> thx for infos... ;)
[09:45] <Matt|> someone help Aktarus_
[09:45] <s0cks> Hey iva.
[09:45] <Slackman> i kinda wish i was in london now...Tunbridge Wells has nothing...
[09:45] <Matt|> Slackman, yeah canary wharf isn't too far
[09:47] <xukun> Aktarus_: how big is hdd?
[09:47] <Aktarus_> 80gb
[09:47] <Matt|> his first partition is nfts
[09:47] <Matt|> ntfs
[09:47] <Aktarus_> maxtor ultradma 133
[09:47] <Aktarus_> yes
[09:47] <Nivlem> Does Ubuntu use LVM to detect drives and the appropriate filesystem?
[09:48] <Aktarus_> and kernel 2.4 sees all correctly (on gentoo 2004.3)
[09:48] <Aktarus_> no
[09:48] <Zugot2> p3/500 with 128MB is not enough for ubuntu and gnome
[09:48] <Aktarus_> no LVM, normal way only
[09:48] <Zugot2> this thing is slow...
[09:48] <ogra> Zugot2: add some mem.....
[09:48] <Matt|> Zugot2, ^^
[09:49] <xukun> Aktarus_: I had similar problem, and it only partioned after I let it auto partition
[09:49] <Matt|> aha
[09:49] <d0gmaz> how can i see where grub is installed on the mbr or partition?
[09:49] <Matt|> d0gmaz, you got a separate partition for /boot?
[09:49] <Nivlem> Aktarus: Are you typing at me? I am trying to figure out what mounts my firewire drive with HFSPLUS when I unplug/replug it in? That way I can try and determine how(if it is possible) to mount the partitions read/write
[09:49] <Aktarus_> but with auto partition does it erese all data on the hd?
[09:49] <Matt|> Aktarus_, yeah
[09:50] <Matt|> :(
[09:50] <Matt|> bye bye windows...
[09:50] <ViN86> hello
[09:50] <ViN86> im tryin out ubuntu
[09:50] <ViN86> on a live cd
[09:50] <Matt|> hi
[09:50] <ViN86> and i want to try to get my wireless workin
[09:50] <Slackman> hmm i know that LVM is Logical Volume Manager but what does it actually do?
[09:50] <ViN86> cept, i cant. heh
[09:50] <Aktarus_> Nivle: no, sorry.. :)
[09:50] <Nivlem> Aktaru: Ok sorry...I just saw you mention LVM
[09:51] <ViN86> any specific module i need to load?
[09:51] <xukun> Aktarus_: hmm, I think its possible to auto partion only the partition you want to use, but not sure
[09:51] <osiris_22> ok
[09:51] <Matt|> ViN86, the module for your wifi card. But you will also probably need the firmware. Don't know how you could do that with a live cd
[09:51] <Aktarus_> nivlem: yes, it's a big mess in this channell...
[09:51] <osiris_22> can someone tell me the command to mount my ntfs partition on hda1?
[09:51] <Matt|> Aktarus_, how big is your ntfs partition?
[09:52] <ViN86> Matt|: :o dang.  my gigabit works nicely, just wanted to see how wireless worked
[09:52] <ViN86> this is a laptop, and i need wireless at school, heh
[09:52] <Aktarus_> matt|: 52GB
[09:52] <Matt|> ViN86, well it will work with the installed version, because then you can copy the firmware to the harddisk
[09:52] <Matt|> Aktarus_, maybe if you made that smaller
[09:52] <Matt|> Aktarus_, like 48 gigs smaller
[09:52] <xukun> ViN86: which card?
[09:52] <susanne1729> HI all
[09:52] <ViN86> eh, one sec, ill get info
[09:53] <Matt|> i'm off
[09:53] <Aktarus_> Matt|: maybe, but the strange thing is that the old kernel 2.4 sees al correctly...
[09:53] <ogra> hi
[09:53] <Matt|> bye all
[09:53] <ogra> bye
[09:53] <Matt|> Aktarus_, good luck mate
[09:53] <ViN86> device manager says, Atheros Communications Inc 802.11abg NIC
[09:53] <xukun> Aktarus_: that is very strange!
[09:53] <osiris_22> no one knows how i can moutn my ntfs partition
[09:53] <osiris_22> come on some one.
[09:54] <ViN86> AR5212 802.11abg NIC
[09:54] <susanne1729> Can sb. help me? whenever I want to compile a c++ prog, it get: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': File or Directory not found
[09:54] <Aktarus_> xukun: yes I know
[09:54] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Yes I can help
[09:54] <osiris_22> thanks nivlem
[09:54] <ogra> susanne1729: install build-essential
[09:54] <osiris_22> what do i gotta do to mount it?
[09:54] <ViN86> osiris_22: i only know slackware procedures at the moment, heh
[09:54] <siretart> susanne1729: apt-get install build-essential
[09:54] <zig`zag> osi: mount -t ntfs /dev/patition /mnt/point
[09:54] <zig`zag> something like that
[09:54] <Aktarus_> xukun: I also tried to post my problem on usenet, maybe somone will answer me the solution... :)
[09:54] <Pluk> hi all
[09:54] <Nivlem> osiris_22: This is the command line way... mount -tntfs /dev/hdaX /media/<your directory>
[09:54] <xukun> Aktarus_: try partioning your hdd with other os like knoppix
[09:55] <zig`zag> osi: "man mount"
[09:55] <zig`zag> oh that sounds dirty
[09:55] <ViN86> lmao
[09:55] <osiris_22> umm i dont understad what my directory is?
[09:55] <xukun> Aktarus_: I think that would be a bad I idea!
[09:55] <Nivlem> osiris_22: I don't know for sure on the newer kernels if the ability to write to ntfs is enabled...it was necessary to compile the kernel if you wanted to write and read..otherwise it defaults to just read access
[09:56] <Aktarus_> xukun: I tried to partition and format all from the gentoo live cd 2004.3: I've done that correctly, but then the ubuntu installation program DOESN'T SEE the partitons!!!
[09:56] <xukun> Aktarus_: I think that would be not a bad I idea!
[09:56] <osiris_22> nivlem
[09:56] <osiris_22> whayt is your directory
[09:56] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Wait one..
[09:57] <Aktarus_> xukun: do you refer to the idea of posting on usenet?
[09:57] <xukun> Aktarus_: do you have any ata or some strange other drives in your system?
[09:57] <d0gmaz> can i install windows xp (wich overwrites my mbr) pop in my ubuntu cd start it with expert and reinstall grub?
[09:57] <xukun> Aktarus_: no
[09:57] <zig`zag> nick Pork
[09:57] <Zugot2> what vpn software comes with ubuntu?
[09:57] <Aktarus_> xukun: I have another HD on the same ide channel, and on the other ide channel i've got a cd-rw and a dvd-ram
[09:58] <Zugot2> freeswan?   openvpn?
[09:58] <xukun> Aktarus_: I mean the idea of using other live cd like knoppix
[09:58] <Aktarus_> xukun: oh, ok. but why? I uset the gentto live cd succesfully!! :)
[09:58] <ogra> Aktarus_: what is set in your BIOS ? try playing with the LBA option.....i ve seen this work
[09:59] <grendel> so dudes, how's the package support for Ubuntu ?
[09:59] <xukun> Aktarus_: ogra has a good point!
[09:59] <Aktarus_> ogra: ok, I'll try!! Thanks!! :)
[10:00] <grendel> I have been using debian for a long time....and I'm considering to move to Ubuntu...
[10:00] <xukun> Aktarus_: I would realy also try the knoppix cd
[10:00] <osiris_22> dude there no dierectery in media that i can put in
[10:00] <grendel> and the package support for debian is really good.
[10:00] <osiris_22> it dont even make sence to jme
[10:00] <Aktarus_> xukun: ok, I'ltry also with knoppix!! :)
[10:00] <xukun> Aktarus_: good luck man
[10:01] <Aktarus_> xukun: thank you!!
[10:01] <Aktarus_> now I've got to rebbot to try in these ways...
[10:01] <xukun> grendel: ubuntu is supper
[10:01] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Sorry had to do something...you need to create a directory under /media that will be the mount point for the filesystem
[10:01] <ogra> Aktarus_: good luck ;)
[10:01] <Aktarus_> thank you all and good bye!! :(
[10:01] <xukun> bye
[10:01] <Aktarus_> thank you all and good bye!! :)
[10:02] <grendel> xukun, are there w32codecs in Ubuntu ?
[10:02] <Nivlem> osiris_22: You would do this with this command... sudo mkdir /media/ntfs(if you want the directory to be called ntfs)...
[10:02] <ogra> grendel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:03] <grendel>  ogra, thanks
[10:03] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Then you would issue the mount command I gave you earlier ;-)
[10:03] <osiris_22> 'ok nivlem when i try to do it.. it tells me conotents cant be displayed
[10:03] <ogra> grendel: you need marillat :)
[10:04] <Nivlem> osiris_22: What command did you issue?
[10:04] <grendel> ogra, heheh it works the same way in debian... yep that is the apt source I use...
[10:04] <ogra> GotD0t: hahahaha
[10:04] <grendel> ogra, that is great... does debian apt sources work on ubuntu or are they completly diffenrent ?
[10:05] <ogra> grendel: normal debian apt-sources will bring up conflicts...
[10:05] <ogra> grendel: but marillat testing is fine with warty
[10:05] <Nivlem> osiris_22: What command did you issue to get the "contents can't be displayed"?
[10:05] <grendel> ogra, ohh ok... cool...
[10:06] <grendel> ogra, thanks
[10:06] <ogra> GotD0t: hehe... reinstall ....
[10:06] <GotD0t> ogra: im not that desparate
[10:06] <ogra> lol
[10:07] <GotD0t> of course the irony is that i switched to hoary because my friend told me about the updated drivers
[10:08] <bruceonline> Where can i get a good lamp tutorial?
[10:08] <ogra> GotD0t: they are updated ;) just not the binary ones *g*
[10:08] <GotD0t> that and i was missing regular crashes in windows... so i figured if i switch to a dev release i'd get some crashes
[10:09] <Slackman> bruceonline, lamphp or lampearl?
[10:09] <bruceonline> lamphp
[10:10] <Slackman> bruceonline, php.net...i'd recommend using apache 2 but use MPM=prefork
[10:10] <Slackman> when your compiling
[10:11] <Hikaru79> Can someone look at this URL and tell me if they're able to connect: ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <xukun> what is the reason that cdrecord --scanbus does not show my burner in ubuntu?
[10:12] <e6> Hello
[10:12] <bruceonline> @Slackman thx
[10:12] <Slackman> np
[10:12] <e6> Looking for help with a Supramax (2920) winmodem on ubuntu
[10:12] <ender__> Hikaru79: An error occurred while loading ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>:
[10:12] <ender__> Could not connect to host <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:13] <sfvg> anyone using realplayer
[10:13] <e6> #help
[10:13] <Hikaru79> =/ I see
[10:13] <Hikaru79> ender__, ever used vsftpd?
[10:13] <ogra> GotD0t: oh, btw: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/013184.html
[10:13] <loevborg_> xukun, cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI maybe?
[10:13] <ender__> yes
[10:13] <Slackman> vsftpd is quite good
[10:13] <dher> hmm, any php4 imap package available?
[10:14] <Hikaru79> =O Could you perhaps give me a hand>?
[10:14] <Hikaru79> See, I can't connect remotely, as you just confirmed
[10:14] <ender__> of course what's up?
[10:14] <Hikaru79> But I *can* connect locally
[10:14] <Hikaru79> At ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:14] <Hikaru79> Which is it's local IP
[10:14] <e6> Thats because the config of the ftp server
[10:14] <Hikaru79> That works fine... from outside the network though, nothing >>
[10:14] <Hikaru79> Thought so
[10:14] <Hikaru79> But I've been messing with it for days
[10:14] <GotD0t> ogra: i saw that
[10:14] <Hikaru79> And no progress
[10:15] <ender__> the ip you gave is internal and means you have opened your firewall for the port and done the right forward isn't it?
[10:15] <Hikaru79> I have no firewall. But I've forwarded ports 20-23 and 77
[10:15] <Zugot2> wow... toshiba notebook memory is damn expensive
[10:15] <Hikaru79> Since all of those seem to be mentioned at some point in the conf file
[10:16] <e6> Could anybody tell me where to look for drivers on Winmodem SupraMax USB 2920
[10:16] <ender__> to xxx.xxx.1.15
[10:16] <ogra> Hikaru79: for web you need port 80
[10:16] <ender__> let me look to my vsftpd.conf to sec
[10:16] <Zugot2> i might just be keeping this notebook at 128MB for a while
[10:16] <xukun> loevborg_: cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI doesnt show anything
[10:17] <loevborg_> xukun, that is indeed strange. 1) run it as root, 2) check your /var/log/messages
[10:17] <xukun> loevborg_: burning in nautilus is no problem, work fine
[10:18] <ogra> xukun: simply burn with cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where X is the device letter
[10:18] <Hikaru79> ogra, I forwarded 80 too, but my Apache server works fine, so I didn't list that one.
[10:18] <Hikaru79> Just my vsftpd with problems
[10:20] <xukun> ogra: maybe stupid thing to ask, but how can I find which hdx its?
[10:20] <ogra> Hikaru79: i missed the ftp://
[10:20] <ogra> Hikaru79: sorry
[10:20] <ogra> xukun: device-manager ?
[10:20] <jnk_> hi
[10:20] <ogra> xukun: in the advanced tab
[10:20] <jnk_> is it possible to have emacs keybindings in gedit ?
[10:20] <AElfwine> hey
[10:21] <AElfwine> does anybody have already had problems with nvidia driver ?
[10:21] <xukun> ogra: thanks
[10:21] <ogra> AElfwine: did you use the ubuntu package ?
[10:21] <RubenV> jnk_: why not use emacs then?
[10:22] <ender__> Hikaru79: do you have a own compiled kernel?
[10:22] <jnk_> RubenV: well key-bindings are not the only thing criterium to consider in an editor :)
[10:23] <RubenV> gedit is nice for simple text stuff
[10:23] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:23] <AElfwine> ogra : i have doin a #sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:23] <RubenV> but for though work
[10:23] <RubenV> rather not :)
[10:23] <AElfwine> and followed the instructions
[10:23] <ogra> AElfwine: did you run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[10:23] <AElfwine> ogra : yes
[10:23] <jnk_> RubenV: yep! but even for simple stuff I like to have emacs keybindings...
[10:23] <ogra> AElfwine: on warty ?
[10:23] <ender__> Hikaru79: you don't have a firewall but nmap shows nothing on the IP you gave.
[10:23] <CraHan> hmm emacs... guess I'll have to take a chance and learn how to use that someday
[10:24] <AElfwine> ogra : of course
[10:24] <RubenV> CraHan: vim!
[10:24] <CraHan> uh oh
[10:24] <ogra> AElfwine: so what is the error ?
[10:24] <AElfwine> ogra : and also removed lines Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" in XF86Config-4
[10:24] <confrey> Ihave just installed ubuntu, but : how can I play mp3?
[10:24] <CraHan> it's ok RubenV, no harm done, I didn't say antything
[10:24] <RubenV> :D
[10:24] <RubenV> just a matter of personal taste anyway
[10:25] <RubenV> but if you gotta learn one
[10:25] <RubenV> take vim ;)
[10:25] <ogra> AElfwine: and what error do you have ?
[10:25] <AElfwine> ogra : the pb is the X server start correctly, a nvidia screens appear but X crashes just after with eror message type 11 ...
[10:25] <CraHan> I've been playing with vim a bit
[10:25] <melazyboy> isn't -s 9 the highest precedent for a kill signal you can send?
[10:25] <CraHan> I'm starting to get the hang of it
[10:25] <CraHan> 9 is kill
[10:25] <CraHan> it's a license to kill :)
[10:25] <CraHan> you can't be anymore insistent :)
[10:26] <confrey> Ihave just installed ubuntu, but : how can I play mp3?
[10:26] <RubenV> CraHan: use the vimtutor
[10:26] <melazyboy> nevermind i figured it out, was wondering why a set of processes woulden't die, they are zombied and dead
[10:26] <CraHan> afaik there's TERM (which asks nicely), and then there's kill
[10:26] <CraHan> RubenV: ah ok, I'll give that a go
[10:26] <RubenV> CraHan: there's a whole motherload of signals
[10:26] <RubenV> but term and kill are the ones that eliminate
[10:27] <RubenV> man signal for more details
[10:27] <CraHan> RubenV: yeah I know, but afaik kill is the most drastic you can send a process
[10:27] <RubenV> true
[10:27] <melazyboy> CraHan: Term is -s 5 right?
[10:27] <RubenV> or, you could ofcourse power off the box
[10:27] <CraHan> no idea, I use kill -TERM for that
[10:27] <RubenV> that's even more drastic
[10:27] <RubenV> term is default, afaik
[10:27] <warty> my web pages are taking a long time to come up,i guess ipv6 is configured by default on ubantu
[10:27] <CraHan> RubenV: no, yanking out the powercable is even more drastic :)
[10:27] <ender__> Hikaru79: here it is: https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ftp-vsftpd-conf.html
[10:27] <RubenV> kill <pid> equals sending sigterm
[10:28] <warty> do i have to disable ipv6
[10:28] <melazyboy> whats the difference between SIGKILL and KILL?
[10:28] <RubenV> it's the same
[10:28] <RubenV> -9 -KILL or -SIGKILL are equivalent
[10:28] <melazyboy> then why is there -SIGKILL and -KILL
[10:29] <melazyboy> seems silly
[10:29] <melazyboy> what does HUP do?
[10:29] <AElfwine> ogra : ?
[10:29] <RubenV> hup is mostly a restart signal
[10:29] <RubenV> man signal :)
[10:29] <ogra> AElfwine: hmm, no idea
[10:29] <d-b_> HOw will I find out the instalation details of a package?
[10:29] <warty> does apt-get work with ubantu
[10:29] <CraHan> warty: yes it does
[10:30] <warty> & about the ipv6 do i have to disable it
[10:30] <xukun> AElfwine: what does log say
[10:30] <ogra> AElfwine: anyhow it doen not look driver related....what kind of HW do you have ?
[10:30] <ogra> does
[10:30] <CraHan> warty: I'd leave it as is, at least, I haven't disabled anything ipv6 related myself
[10:30] <AElfwine> ogra : Nvidia Geforce FX 5700
[10:30] <AElfwine> xukun : wait 2 sec
[10:30] <ogra> AElfwine: i mean the rest ;)
[10:31] <AElfwine> lol
[10:31] <warty> yeah,but web pages take a long time to load on a adsl connection
[10:32] <ogra> warty: look in the about:config url and search for v6 ...try if it is better if you disable it in firefox
[10:32] <AElfwine> ogra : portable computer (or laptop ? - sorry I'm french) : Athlon 64 3000 + , Nvidia Geforce FX 5700 @64Mo, HD 60 Go , wifi g, network interface ...
[10:33] <ogra> AElfwine: ah, athlon 64
[10:33] <ogra> AElfwine: that may be the prob....
[10:33] <AElfwine> ogra : ... :(
[10:33] <AElfwine> ogra : no driver for this architecture ?
[10:33] <warty> can i save files on a live cd
[10:33] <ogra> AElfwine: i am not sure if the nvidia-glx drivers work with 64bit
[10:34] <warty> i had a problem on my nvidia vard
[10:34] <ogra> AElfwine: does nvidia provide them at all ?
[10:34] <AElfwine> ogra : there is just ine file to dowload on the nvidia site ..
[10:35] <ogra> AElfwine: does it indicate the arch anywhere ?
[10:35] <Hikaru79> ender__, will that link's instructions still apply to Ubuntu?
[10:36] <AElfwine> ogra : i mean : there is inly one for AMD64 ...
[10:36] <AElfwine> ogra : so I suppod
[10:36] <AElfwine> s$
[10:36] <AElfwine> oups
[10:36] <AElfwine> ogra : so i suppose it would work fine ..
[10:36] <Pluk> nvidia drivers for amd64 work ok
[10:37] <xukun> AElfwine: are u using the 64 or 32 kernel?
[10:37] <ogra> AElfwine: hmm, so they should be right...
[10:37] <AElfwine> 64
[10:38] <AElfwine> do you want to see my log file ?
[10:38] <AElfwine> i don t understand everything inside
[10:38] <confrey^^> hi again
[10:38] <ogra> AElfwine: hmm, immoral offers :)
[10:38] <ogra> AElfwine: post it to #flood
[10:38] <confrey^^> how can I play mp3s in ubuntu?
[10:38] <ender__> Hikaru79: the conf part of course. and also hide the conf page you have on port 80 :-)
[10:39] <ogra> confrey^^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:39] <ender__> but if your ip change you'll have to find a trick to update and reload vsftpd
[10:40] <Hikaru79> What do you mean, ender__?
[10:41] <ender__> vsftpd is step by default for being passive ftp server. So it needs to know the ip from outside
[10:41] <ender__> that's in the page i gave you
[10:41] <Hikaru79> Right
[10:41] <Hikaru79> So do I just put my external IP address? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:41] <ender__> yes: do the test
[10:41] <Tpyo_Knig> Hi
[10:42] <ender__> perhaps not that never know :-)
[10:42] <jelte> Hi all... just installed ubuntu and it looks good. Just a quick question. I'd like to install muine the music player, but synaptic doesn't list it. Should i add something to my sources.list?  i'm a little worried that that will screw things up with regards to using the 'smart upgrade' of synaptic.. since it might make different decisions if i have more repositories than just the ubuntu ones?
[10:42] <Hikaru79> jelte, why not download the binary/source from it's homepage and manually install it?
[10:43] <melazyboy> jelte: Yes you should probably add the debian repos
[10:43] <jelte> Hikaru79, well that was my second option... just wondering if its not easier/better to just use synaptic/apt .. its what its designed for i s'pose ;-)
[10:43] <ogra> jelte: there is no mono in ubuntu by default try here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:43] <melazyboy> jelte: Or uncomment it as most would have it
[10:44] <ogra> jelte: there is also muine for ubuntu in the mono repo
[10:45] <seemen> is there any abandonware from Loki now that theyre closed down, anyone?
[10:45] <jelte> ogra, thanks for the link... but i'm afraid I'm lost ;-/    what's mono?  related somehow to muine?
[10:45] <seemen> i need a good game
[10:45] <ogra> jelte: muine is programmed in mono, its a language
[10:46] <jelte> ogra, ah.. so i'd need that first before installing?   perhaps its better to just grab the rpm and use alien
[10:46] <ogra> jelte: you need the tseng repository in synaptic....there is also a muine package compiled for ubuntu
[10:46] <jelte> that way my repositories will be ok
[10:46] <jelte> ogra, so how would that effect a smart upgrade?
[10:46] <AElfwine> ogra : a idea ?
[10:47] <Tpyo_Knig> how can I use apt-get to install ndiswrapper?
[10:47] <ogra> jelte: in no way, except there are newer official mono/muine packages, then they would get updated :)
[10:47] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: you can't
[10:47] <ogra> AElfwine: you got dropped in the middle of the file :(
[10:47] <Tpyo_Knig> :(
[10:47] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: Its a module not a program
[10:47] <AElfwine> arg
[10:48] <Tpyo_Knig> melazyboy I have the package, .tar.gz i did the make
[10:48] <jelte> ogra, well that shouldn't be too bad! ;-)   also, maybe i missed something, but shouldn't synaptic have some sort of 'update' function?  equivalent to apt-get update?
[10:48] <Tpyo_Knig> but it wont make install
[10:48] <Tpyo_Knig> with version .11
[10:48] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[10:48] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: Not sure what you need to do, when you type make install what does it tell you?
[10:49] <dingo> just now i installed ubuntu , the install script did not ask for root password is this the righ behaviour??
[10:49] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: And did you ./configure it yet?
[10:49] <ogra> melazyboy: you dont need to compile anything
[10:49] <ogra> dingo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:50] <lizdeika> why there is no runlelvel admin in ubuntu's gnome-system-tools ?
[10:50] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: ignore the line with the kernel update, yoiur kernel is up to date, the hiwto is a bit outdated
[10:50] <jdub> lizdeika: because it's not supported by upstream, and we don't think it's the right way to go about providing a gui for those tasks.
[10:50] <Tpyo_Knig> it says no target to make install
[10:51] <GoneBoB> realistically, I haven't changed runlevel except to reboot or shutdown... in many years
[10:51] <ogra> jdub: what about something like that (probbly cut down a bit more) ? http://www.grawert.net/services.png
[10:51] <GoneBoB> though people tend to get very upset when you mention a better boot system
[10:51] <lizdeika> jdub: whats alternative ?
[10:51] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: follow the howto i gave you
[10:51] <bob2> GoneBoB: they tend to ask people to justify massive changes for small gains, ime
[10:51] <Zugot2> hmm
[10:51] <AElfwine> ogra : too big file ....
[10:52] <AElfwine> ogra : i resend just the end .
[10:52] <ogra> AElfwine: the last lines will do
[10:52] <GoneBoB> bob2: yes, but there's nothign inherently wrong with change
[10:52] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, where can I get the, ndiswrapper-utils? it isnt in synaptic and apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils yields nothing
[10:52] <FSK405C> so how would one go about adding a sound card to ubuntu? others have suggested alsaconfig but even after reinstalling alsa packages I cant find that proggie anywhere. Any suggestions for an ubuntu n00blar?
[10:53] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: on which architecture are you  ? ix86 ?
[10:53] <bob2> GoneBoB: to a dependency-based system?  it's just a ton of work, in theory it's very cool.
[10:53] <Zugot2> anyone know off the top of their head where the wireless settings are kept?   like web key and such?
[10:53] <bob2> FSK405C: plugging it in is enough.
[10:53] <bob2> Zugot2: /etc/network/interfaces
[10:53] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, correct
[10:53] <FSK405C> bob2: Nope. It refuses to identify the card. :/
[10:53] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: its normally there
[10:53] <bob2> FSK405C: unless you have more than one card, then you have a bug.
[10:53] <bob2> FSK405C: how do you know it's not identifying it?
[10:53] <jdub> ogra: yeah, something fairly similar to that
[10:53] <Zugot2> bob2, thanks
[10:54] <FSK405C> bob2: Just the one card ... no devices/mixers found error, sound volume constant snaps back to 0 on attempts to adjust
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> root@wdbt:/home/twiztid # apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils
[10:54] <dingo> how can i change the screen resolution being a normal user?
[10:54] <webmaven_> hello folks.
[10:54] <AElfwine> ogra : done
[10:54] <ogra> jdub: great, i would like to drop it in a pygtk class in mataro to get it improved by ppl there ;)
[10:54] <bob2> FSK405C: does it show up in dmesg?
[10:54] <GoneBoB> myself and a freind were postulating on the possibility of a 'suspend to disk' type startup accelerator (ie: on first load, it loads programs, then saves a snapshot, which in future it loads)
[10:54] <Mayday> is it just me or is natulius dead slow in hoary?
[10:54] <webmaven_> I am trying the Live CD on a laptop, but am stuck in 640x480.
[10:54] <melazyboy> What do you guys use to unrar i tried the package 'unrar' but no joy
[10:54] <bob2> dingo: you can use the gnome-xrandr applet
[10:54] <jelte> ogra, so much for that ... tseng repository doesn't seem to contain all the stuff that muine needs (even though it's got muine).. :-(
[10:55] <GoneBoB> is there anything inherently stupid about that I've overlooked?
[10:55] <bob2> ogra: you're coming to spain?
[10:55] <bob2> Mayday: install gamin
[10:55] <ogra> bob2: yep
[10:55] <bob2> Mayday: you removed ubuntu-desktop and forgot to see what it Depends on nowadays
[10:55] <mjr> dingo, computer / system settings / resolution or somesuch
[10:55] <FSK405C> bob2 lemme check ;)
[10:55] <ogra> bob2: see OliverGrawert....on the ConferenceAtendees site
[10:55] <bob2> GoneBoB: programs are not generally that stable
[10:55] <kaiser-> what does "you should exit the X server." mean ?
[10:55] <webmaven_> mjr, did you mean me?
[10:55] <bob2> ogra: oooooh, didn't link the name and irc nick in my head.  cool :-)
[10:55] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config
[10:56] <kaiser-> im triying to install some drivers for my graphic card
[10:56] <mjr> webmaven_, no, actually
[10:56] <kaiser-> should i just type that ?
[10:56] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: no
[10:56] <GoneBoB> what card
[10:56] <ogra> bob2: ;)
[10:56] <bob2> kaiser-: what card?
[10:56] <kaiser-> geforce 4 ti4200
[10:56] <Mayday> bob2: thanks, apt-get install gamin fixed the problem
[10:56] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, no luck on apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, and yes @ ix86
[10:56] <FSK405C> yep it does
[10:56] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:56] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: strange....
[10:56] <GoneBoB> then run nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:56] <Tpyo_Knig> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:56] <Tpyo_Knig> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils
[10:56] <GoneBoB> you'll have to enable restricted
[10:57] <webmaven_> When I go to Computer/System Configuration/Screen Resolution I only have 640x480 and 75Hz as options.
[10:57] <kaiser-> you mean i havae to do it as root ?
[10:57] <ogra> AElfwine: i am wondering if the synaptics driver causes probs with the amd64 nvidia one
[10:57] <newtolinux> hello, im trying to get php on my ubuntu box yet apt-get isntall php returns with no package
[10:57] <newtolinux> does anyone know what the package is called?
[10:57] <kaiser-> btw GoneBoB what do i do after its done ?
[10:57] <kaiser-> should i reboot or something ?
[10:57] <Ja1> php4
[10:57] <GoneBoB> newtolinux: you can seach with apt-cache search X
[10:57] <GoneBoB> newtolinux: you can seach with apt-cache search php
[10:58] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: logout, login again
[10:58] <kaiser-> okay
[10:58] <AElfwine> ogra : synaptics  ?
[10:58] <bob2> kaiser-: what sort of cord is it?
[10:58] <RubenV> AElfwine: touchpad driver
[10:58] <bob2> newtolinux: libapache2-mod-php4
[10:58] <bob2> for apache2
[10:58] <ogra> AElfwine: its mentioned in your last log lines.....
[10:58] <webmaven_> What do I need to do to get the liveCD to recognize that my laptop's resolution is actually 1024x768?
[10:58] <ogra> AElfwine: its for the touchpad
[10:58] <newtolinux> ive got apache
[10:58] <newtolinux> 1.3.31
[10:59] <newtolinux> how would i unstall my current apache version
[10:59] <bob2> newtolinux: apt-get remove apache
[10:59] <newtolinux> then i can install apache 2 with php
[10:59] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: it is at least on the CD afaik....look in the pool directory of the install cd
[10:59] <Tpyo_Knig> webmaven_, screen=1024x768 for an argument, try that :/
[10:59] <bob2> apt-get install apache2
[10:59] <newtolinux> k
[10:59] <AElfwine> ogra : how could I remplace it ?
[10:59] <webmaven_> Tpyo_Knig, when do I try that, exactly?
[10:59] <AElfwine> ogra : putting a real mouse ?
[10:59] <Tpyo_Knig> when selecting kernel
[11:00] <GoneBoB> Tpyo_Knig: where did you pull that from?
[11:00] <AElfwine> ogra : or change the driver ?
[11:00] <Tpyo_Knig> after u select it , before u hit enter
[11:00] <ogra> AElfwine: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change the input device
[11:00] <GoneBoB> ah, set the framebuffer to 1024
[11:00] <Tpyo_Knig> GoneBoB, I do it with other LiveCD's that dont like my GFX card
[11:00] <webmaven_> Tpyo_Knig, Hmm. I may have missed that, the CD seemed to boot without asking me anything. Did I just look away at the wrong moment?
[11:00] <ogra> AElfwine: but its only a guess....the nvidia drivers are hard to debug
[11:00] <kaiser-> GoneBoB, hmm i still cant change my hz to higher
[11:01] <kaiser-> doesnt seem like anything's changed
[11:01] <AElfwine> ogra : i will try it later
[11:01] <AElfwine> ogra : thanks for your ideas
[11:01] <anders_> anybody having problems with alsa in hoary?
[11:01] <Tpyo_Knig> webmaven_ yes, the cd asked me what i wanted to used, kernel with acpi, sagfe mode kernel, etc...
[11:02] <webmaven_> OK, I'll reboot and try again. Thanks Tpyo_Knig
[11:02] <AElfwine> and thanks to RubenV and xukun too
[11:02] <Tpyo_Knig> no
[11:02] <newtolinux> ok, now i removed a file wich i dont want to remove
[11:02] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, what directory in pool on the install cd?
[11:02] <newtolinux> any suggestions on getting it back?
[11:03] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: anywhere below n .... dunno....
[11:03] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: try pressing ctrl+alt+bksp :)
[11:03] <GoneBoB> that will force a restart of X
[11:03] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: it is a supported package, so i am sure its on the cd
[11:04] <newtolinux> any suggestions on how to get back a file i removed??
[11:04] <RubenV> newtolinux: can't
[11:04] <xukun> AElfwine: does it work now?
[11:04] <newtolinux> :/
[11:04] <Myke> hi there...
[11:04] <newtolinux> that sucks
[11:04] <RubenV> newtolinux: how did you delete it?
[11:05] <anders_> alsa stops working after each reboot, only way I figured out to fix it is to apt-get --purge remove hotplug and apt-get install hotpug plus the deps it removed. Alsa is always broken on reboot, and this method always fixes it.
[11:05] <newtolinux> rm
[11:05] <newtolinux> rm index.php
[11:05] <newtolinux> its still in my trash
[11:05] <RubenV> rm doesn't trash ;)
[11:05] <newtolinux> :(
[11:05] <newtolinux> ok, yet another question
[11:05] <Tpyo_Knig> >.<
[11:05] <kaiser-> hmm :=
[11:05] <Myke> newtolinux: if you have some knowlege about the contents of your file and possible size, you can always try to search in the disk...
[11:06] <melazyboy> anders_: why not just apt-get --reinstall install hotplug ?
[11:06] <Myke> there's a chance the file in not yet written over
[11:06] <ogra> melazyboy: why at all ?