[01:29] <PainBank> rick_h__: where do you live at anyhow?
[01:31] <rick_h__> Clarkston
[01:31] <rick_h__> right by DTE
[12:52] <wolfger> morning
[12:52] <tjagoda> yoyo
[12:52] <tjagoda> Why has my playbook not shipped yet?
[12:52] <tjagoda> Best buy is BAD AT PREORDERS
[12:57] <rick_h__> they know you'll just hate it
[12:58] <rick_h__> hoping you'll cancel your order before it's too late
[12:59] <wolfger> Playbook?
[13:00] <rick_h__> It's the great white hope for BB users :)
[13:02] <greg-g> g'morn
[13:02] <rick_h__> morning
[13:02] <brousch> playbook has been recalled
[13:04]  * tjagoda stabs brousch
[13:04] <brousch> it exceeded the marketplace's tolerance for lameness
[13:05] <tjagoda> Your face exceeded the marketplace's tolerance for lameness
[13:05] <wolfger> heh
[13:05] <wolfger> the marketplace has a really high tolerance for lameness, in case you hadn't noticed the Zune...
[13:05] <brousch> i expect they'll show up a flea markets next to the lava lamps soon
[13:08] <tjagoda> Nah
[13:08] <tjagoda> Those are full of outversioned apple products
[13:16] <rick_h__> heh, I hear with the right app installed they make great photo frames
[13:16] <brousch> i saw a lot of knock-off ipod-like mp3 players at the liquidation store. the only actual apple products were G3 ibooks
[13:17] <brousch> woohoo! i got my invite to tedxgr
[13:19] <rick_h__> oooh, brousch is a mover and a shaker
[13:25] <wolfger> snap-l: You didn't like the Big Tronbowski? ;-)
[13:26] <wolfger> One nitpick with your review. CLU was made in the original movie. :-p
[13:31]  * wolfger now doubts snap-l's geek cred
[13:37] <snap-l> wolfger: Tron Legacy did for Tron what The Matrix Reloaded did for The Matrix
[13:37] <wolfger> ouch
[13:38] <snap-l> wolfger: Seriously, di the plot make any sense?
[13:38] <wolfger> and yet, I can't really argue
[13:38] <wolfger> plot? What plot?
[13:38] <snap-l> exactly
[13:38] <wolfger> It was cool
[13:38] <wolfger> Jodee was right
[13:38] <snap-l> It was a screensaver
[13:38] <wolfger> It was the ultimate argument in favor of "style over substance"
[13:39] <rick_h__> all pretty
[13:39] <rick_h__> I was laughing, last TWIT kevin rose was raving about the plot
[13:39] <wolfger> very pretty, but nothing to it
[13:39] <rick_h__> Tron was pretty, and good soundtrack, that was all
[13:39] <wolfger> worth doing once, but not worth owning
[13:39] <snap-l> Yeah, some people thought it was great, just like some people thought that The Matrix: Reloaded was great
[13:40] <snap-l> honestly, I thought they could have done a much better job with the plot
[13:40] <rick_h__> didn't meat those people
[13:40] <snap-l> maybe it was just disappointment for what they could have done
[13:40] <wolfger> yes. that.
[13:40] <rick_h__> definitely, the plot deserved some more work for sure
[13:40] <wolfger> squandered opportunity
[13:41] <snap-l> They could have done something with the internet, facebook, data, etc
[13:41] <rick_h__> oh hell no
[13:41] <snap-l> instead we got Disney's take on Darwinia
[13:42] <wolfger> No! It is all about teh arcade gamez!
[13:42] <wolfger> and kids watching that movie are probably saying, "Dad, what's an arcade?"
[13:42] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinia_(video_game)
[13:42] <snap-l> Yeah, there were some nice flourishes here and there
[13:43] <snap-l> but the plot really suffered
[13:43] <snap-l> partially because they're looking to do a sequel
[13:44] <wolfger> also I disagree with your assertion that Flynn is sadistic. Programs are not people. And he tried to protect the sentient ISOS.
[13:44] <snap-l> wolfger: seriously? He broke bread with Tron and Yori
[13:44] <snap-l> He practically cried when he killed Crom
[13:46] <wolfger> Yes.  You ready for Penguicon?
[14:23] <tjagoda> Penguiwho?
[14:25] <wolfger> penguitron
[14:25] <wolfger> seen the artwork for the souvenir book yet?
[14:28] <tjagoda> I 'unno
[14:28] <tjagoda> I don't DO anything this year =P
[14:46] <wolfger> ve vill *make* you do somethink!
[15:14] <greg-g> Tom Callaway takes the piss out of the Google Chrome devs by calling out their Java roots: http://ostatic.com/blog/making-projects-easier-to-package-why-chromium-isnt-in-fedora
[15:22] <snap-l> greg-g: I don't think it's quite as intentional as he's making it to be
[15:24] <snap-l> though I cancompletely sympathize.
[15:28] <Milyardo_> I don't know of any Java software projects that embed libraries because they've made extensive changes to it that deviate from upstream's interface or implementation
[15:29] <Milyardo_> where did he get that from?
[15:30] <snap-l> I've seen java projects embed the entire JRE in their distro
[15:30] <Milyardo_> I've see that as well
[15:30] <greg-g> yeah, I've seen weird things like that as well
[15:31] <Milyardo_> but not because they've modified it
[15:33] <jrmy> who listens to metal again?
[15:35] <greg-g> Milyardo_: yeah, I guess what I saw was the entire grails stack in a github repo for a small little webapp
[15:35] <greg-g> jrmy: I point you toward snap-l, our resident metal head
[15:36] <snap-l> That's me.
[15:36] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/
[15:36] <jrmy> ok, just refreshing the memory
[15:37] <snap-l> new episode just released today. :)
[15:37] <jrmy> in a black folk metal band
[15:37] <jrmy> wondering if you go to shows around the area
[15:37] <snap-l> Oh yeah?
[15:37] <snap-l> Not too many, I'm afraid.
[15:38] <jrmy> ive only been to one.. well if i count the other 2
[15:38] <jrmy> then 3 but yeah
[15:38] <snap-l> Not a fan of hanging out in bars to watch metal music. :)
[15:38] <jrmy> heh
[15:38] <jrmy> dont know if i'll liek playing ashow at a bar
[15:38] <snap-l> jrmy: So you're in a black folk metal band?
[15:38] <Milyardo_> greg-g: If most java libraries like my experiance with Hibernate it could be because distro packing of java libraries are completely ass backwards for some reason
[15:39] <jrmy> well thats what i'd call it.. we probably are death as well but the lyrics are predominantly folkish not to mention theres some more happy sounding riffs in songs
[15:40] <snap-l> jrmy: Have you recorded anything that you'd be OK with having played on a podcast?
[15:40] <jrmy> but then weve got some heavy stuff and some black styles which the vocals are the higher pitched liek in most black
[15:40] <snap-l> (and is it Creative Commons?)
[15:40] <jrmy> i'd have to talk to my band mates
[15:41] <snap-l> OK, because I'd love to listen to it, and possibly put it on the show
[15:41] <jrmy> i might be fine with it..
[15:41] <snap-l> Well, give the show a listen, regardless
[15:41] <jrmy> in all reality were playing till august
[15:41] <snap-l> jrmy: FOlks heading to college?
[15:41] <jrmy> seeing as our bassist has a contract to be in texas for a year doing his work
[15:42] <snap-l> Ah, I know how that goes
[15:42] <jrmy> but yeah if we got more fans and were able to play more shows or get more peopel to come to shows then it could possibly be worth putting music on your site
[15:42] <jrmy> and/or*
[15:43] <snap-l> I live to promote. :)
[15:43] <jrmy> i'd even give you a sample or 2 but we havent recorded much yet so.. yeah
[15:43] <jrmy> but were at the stage where were.. well me and our bassist is ready
[15:44] <greg-g> jrmy: and if you guys have questions about the use of Creative Commons licenses, let me know
[15:44] <jrmy> guess our drummer wants to smooth out parts more.. dunno
[15:44] <jrmy> yeah
[15:44] <snap-l> A recording is a snapshot of the band at a particular moment in time
[15:44] <jrmy> yeah, thats true
[15:45] <snap-l> If anything, it'll give you guys something to show your friends / family later on. :)
[15:45] <jrmy> well i'll have attachment after were done
[15:45] <jrmy> good memories i'd hope
[15:46] <jrmy> never been this far with music before
[15:46] <snap-l> Yeah, good times
[15:46] <jrmy> so, anything knew with linux stuff?
[15:46] <jrmy> new*
[15:47] <snap-l> jrmy: All I'd recommend is go it yourselves for a while, and promote the heck out of the band any way you can
[15:47] <jrmy> seems steam is having more linux and mac now
[15:47] <jrmy> yeah..
[15:47] <snap-l> and don't sign with any record labels until you're damned certain you're not going to get screwed
[15:47] <jrmy> lol right
[15:48] <snap-l> The Beatles didn't become the Beatles because they were musical geniuses out of the womb, they became the Beatles because they played gigs as much as they could
[15:49] <jrmy> well im not the band leader.. but the info is nice
[15:49] <snap-l> The old joke goes "Do you know the way to Carnegie Hall?" "Practice practice practice"
[15:49] <jrmy> never heard of it
[15:50] <jrmy> both in this case
[15:50] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Hall#Carnegie_Hall_joke
[15:51] <brousch> fml i had to teach the consultant ctrl-c ctrl-v
[15:51] <Blazeix> brousch: holy crap, you just changed my life.
[15:52] <jrmy> lol.. fail if you use a computer and dont know those shortcuts
[15:52] <jrmy> probably a few exceptions but anyways
[15:52] <snap-l> tomorrow, how to use context menus by right clicking
[15:52] <Milyardo_> jrmy: what about crtl+insert and shift+insert?
[15:52] <greg-g> brousch: wow, you deserve a beer for lunch
[15:53] <greg-g> (or 3)
[15:53] <jrmy> dont know about those
[15:53] <jrmy> Milyardo_: ^
[15:53] <wolfger> brousch: ctrl-c halts the program. What's ctrl-v do? :-D
[15:53] <brousch> i rally hope he'll be useful once things are setup
[15:55] <jrmy> lol wolfger
[15:56] <jrmy> so is this state ever gonna have a geeknic?
[15:56] <JonathanD> geeknic!
[15:56] <greg-g> jcastro: is that lifehacker post on burnout any good. being someone who is way to busy and in danger of burning out, I don't want to read it if it isn't worth my time! ;)
[15:56] <jrmy> hey JonathanD, its been awhile
[15:56] <JonathanD> Hi.
[15:56] <jcastro> greg-g: I am in the same boat, I was just like "oh this is probably me but it's too late" and hit share
[15:57] <jcastro> heh
[15:57] <greg-g> hehe
[15:57] <snap-l> hah
[15:57] <jrmy> ha
[15:58] <greg-g> alright, it is open in a tab, I'll get to in my next "kill all tabs!" sessions
[15:59] <jrmy> well, i'll brb
[15:59] <jrmy> food time
[16:00] <brousch> jrmy: a state-wide geeknic doesn't make much sense. who is going to spend a few hours driving each way to spend a few hours hanging around outside with a few geeks?
[16:00] <brousch> a geekin local to each major urban area makes sense
[16:00] <JonathanD> they are generally localized.
[16:01] <JonathanD> To a major city.
[16:01] <brousch> yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense
[16:01] <JonathanD> We've done multi-day things in NJ that draw people from larger regions.
[16:01] <JonathanD> But those were camping trips. people drive farther for that.
[16:01] <brousch> i swear west MI has some conference scheduled every other weekend already
[16:02] <JonathanD> Grand Rapids could pull one, probably.
[16:02] <JonathanD> and perhaps Lansing.
[16:02] <wolfger> but where would we find a good picnic site with wifi?
[16:02] <greg-g> yeah, definitely.  :-D
[16:02] <JonathanD> I have a 6 pack APC battery thing I'm using to run it.
[16:03] <greg-g> wolfger: if I had one. Have you seen my phone lately? it is from 2005/6, I kid you not. It is a Sanyo flip phone.
[16:03] <wolfger> brousch: right. Because we can all do everything we want on our phones... ?
[16:04]  * greg-g really wants to make a piratebox, or maybe some pirateboxen
[16:04] <wolfger> greg-g: how sad
[16:04] <greg-g> meh, only when I'm lost in a suburb of detroit do I ever really want a new phone, luckily that doesn't happen too much
[16:07] <wolfger> pirateboxen seem cool. We should definitely have one or more at Penguicon. Probably too late to make that a reality this year.
[16:08] <greg-g> though, I guess I wouldn't want to be the one to take that piratebox home after the event and see what was shared on it :/
[16:08] <ColonelPanic001> love when I can hear other people's music lofting through the cubefarm
[16:08] <ColonelPanic001> odd, since they're using headphones.
[16:08] <ColonelPanic001> enjoy your hearing loss, dumbass.
[16:09] <wolfger> greg-g: Oh, I'll do that. I have a high tolerance for that sort of thing.
[16:09] <greg-g> wolfger: figured ;)
[16:09] <wolfger> alternatively, you could rig it, I'm sure, to simply clear its contents after a set amount of time
[16:10] <greg-g> wolfger: I do as well, I suppose, but I was going to make a joke about "having posession of illegal material" but didn't care enough to make it funny
[16:10] <wolfger> then you'd never have to damage your brain with knowledge of the contents
[16:10] <greg-g> wolfger: yeah, at the end of penguicon or something
[16:10] <greg-g> not a bad idea. totally ephemeral
[16:10] <greg-g> (for certain values of "totally")
[16:11] <wolfger> but me, I'd rather see exactly what had been shared. I'd probably be totally bored by it, though.
[16:11] <greg-g> true
[16:12] <greg-g> "'Rush discography' bah, snap-l was here"
[16:12] <greg-g> ;)
[16:12] <wolfger> ROFL
[16:12] <brousch> moose and bear furries playing hockey? tjagoda
[16:13] <wolfger> that's "moose and squirrel"... :-p
[16:22] <jrmy>  back
[16:26] <snap-l> What did I miss? :)
[16:26] <jjesse> the answer to the secret of life
[16:27] <snap-l> The complete Rush Discography would definitely be the secret ingredient. ;)
[16:28] <snap-l> greg-g: Nah, I'd just load it up with CC metal
[16:32] <jrmy> missed the talk about the geeknic
[16:45] <Milyardo_> greg-g: Do you guys still do CHC?
[16:50] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, that'd be sweet, all of your OMCs and other things
[16:50] <greg-g> Milyardo_: I haven't been to the A2 one in a long time, they now do it on Monday nights, I believe
[16:51] <snap-l> I'm still debating on the whole DVDs of all of the OMcs.
[16:53] <brousch> sell a 4 disc dvd set?
[16:56] <brousch> how about just broadcasting it continuously over local radio and digital stream?
[16:56] <snap-l> If anyone would want it, and could spare the bandwidth. ;)
[16:57] <brousch> you can sell the blank DVDs and they can burn them themselves
[17:13] <jrmy> whats chc and omc?
[17:26] <wolfger> jrmy: CHC == CoffeeHouse Coders weekly (or monthly in A2) meetup
[17:26] <wolfger> omc == ???
[17:27] <jrmy> A2?
[17:27] <wolfger> ah... OMC == OpenMetalCast
[17:27] <wolfger> A2 == Ann Arbor
[17:27] <jrmy> ah.. i get it
[17:27] <wolfger> LOL. Damn we are lazy people who don't want to type
[17:27] <jrmy> lol
[17:27] <wolfger> LOL == Laughing Out Loud (just in case...)
[17:27] <jrmy> lol
[17:28] <jrmy> have any of you heard of year 200X?
[17:28] <jrmy> theyre a band from my city here in lansing
[17:28] <wolfger> the last of those was a couple years ago :-D
[17:28] <jrmy> they play metal covers of NES music
[17:29] <jrmy> what was a couple years ago?
[17:30] <jrmy> wolfger: ^
[17:30] <wolfger> jrmy: year 200x
[17:30] <wolfger> now we're in 201x
[17:31] <jrmy> ah a joke i see
[17:31] <wolfger> <-- smartass
[17:31] <jrmy> so havent heard of the band then?
[17:31] <wolfger> nope
[17:31] <jrmy> i'll try to remember that
[17:32] <jrmy> heh, i used to be the one making jokes liek that
[17:32] <jrmy> now i see why peopel never caught the jokes to often
[17:34] <jrmy> but anyways i saw them at an anime convention i went to last month.. they were pretty good
[18:35] <brousch> i found tjagoda on twitter! "I haven't used one yet but I can confidentally state that when i do use one I will proclaim the BB Playbook as the best tablet on the market"
[18:35] <_stink_> haha
[18:36] <rick_h__> I don't see how a tablet without local email is the best of anything
[18:36] <rick_h__> "we don't need an email app, people will write one"
[18:36] <rick_h__> "oh right, there's no apps for it yet"
[18:36] <jrmy> lol
[18:49] <snap-l> rick_h__: Hey, they perfectly replicated the Palm Foleo, only in tablet format
[19:03] <rick_h__> http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/19/at-no-officially-blackberry-bridge-support-yet
[19:03] <rick_h__> oh man that's great
[19:03] <rick_h__> tjagoda: hope you're not getting ATT BB
[19:03] <rick_h__> the only way to do email is to tether your phone and ATT is blocking that
[19:04] <snap-l> Oh that's brilliant
[19:05] <snap-l> I don't think they could have asked for a worse launch if they'd shipped the thing with a hive of killer bees in every package.
[19:06] <snap-l> Though I would morbidly watch every single unboxing video if they did
[19:07] <tjagoda> rick_h: What're you hating on now?
[19:07] <tjagoda> =P
[19:07] <tjagoda> ATT doesn't block tethering
[19:07] <tjagoda> If you buy the tethering plan
[19:07] <snap-l> tjagoda: Please to be reading the article
[19:08] <rick_h__> tjagoda: right, they're specifically blocking the BB bridge software
[19:08] <tjagoda> Oh yes
[19:08] <rick_h__> even BB says so "works on all carriers but ATT"
[19:08] <tjagoda> i misread what you originally typed, sorry
[19:09] <tjagoda> Assumed you were talking about normal tethering
[19:09] <tjagoda> but yes, AT&T is kind of Asshat tehre
[19:09] <tjagoda> there*
[19:09] <tjagoda> I guaruntee they're trying to turn it into an add-on billable option and blackberry is resisting the push
[19:11] <snap-l> Right, it couldn't POSSIBLY be the other way around. ;)
[19:12] <tjagoda> No
[19:12] <tjagoda> Frankly
[19:12] <tjagoda> it couldn't be
[19:12] <rick_h__> trolling trolling trolling, keep those puppies trolling! troll-hide!
[19:12] <tjagoda> That would make absolutely no business sense you evil bastard
[19:12] <tjagoda> At least make plausible trollish arguments
[19:12] <tjagoda> =P
[19:13] <snap-l> I heard each Playbook includes a strand of Hitler's DNA on the circuit board.
[19:14] <snap-l> And that Glen Beck was first in line to purchase one at the AT&T store.
[19:14] <tjagoda> I'm not certain you can buy them at carrier stores
[19:14] <snap-l> And Mel Gibson claims the Playbook cured him of his alcoholism.
[19:14] <tjagoda> Best Buy and Staples are carrying them I believe
[19:15] <tjagoda> Not sure if they're alongside the mobile devices
[19:15] <snap-l> AT&T reserved one just for Glen Beck
[19:15] <tjagoda> ORDER IN PROCESSING
[19:15] <tjagoda> WOOT
[19:15] <tjagoda> SHIP YOU MOTHERFUCKERS
[19:15] <tjagoda> SHIIIIPPPP
[19:16] <rick_h__> it would have been faster to just go get it in a store
[19:16] <snap-l> Or just take a brick with you to work
[19:16] <rick_h__> not like there's a big line or anything
[19:16] <snap-l> same difference.
[19:16] <tjagoda> http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/19/research-in-motions-blackberry-playbook-available-to-public/
[19:16] <tjagoda> Poll results aren't bad really
[19:17] <tjagoda> 50% of that poll wants to buy one
[19:17] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/04/19/research-in-motion-blackberry-playbook-makes-osborne-1-look-like-the-better-machine
[19:17] <rick_h__> 21% are going to change their minds once they seem them in person/irl
[19:18] <snap-l> tjagoda: 35% of that poll reported brain damage
[19:18] <tjagoda> I am so pissing in your cornflakes
[19:19] <snap-l> Seriously, this thing is about as exciting as MC Hammer announcing he's coming back on tour
[19:19] <snap-l> Ho boy, Blackberry has a tablet. Wooo!
[19:20] <snap-l> and it requires a phone to do e-mail. Yay!
[19:20] <tjagoda> Only until third party apps are in the store
[19:20] <snap-l> Foleo. This thing is the Foleo
[19:21] <tjagoda> Why am I still replying to snap-l
[19:21] <tjagoda> =P
[19:21] <brousch> snap-l: that link is broken
[19:21] <snap-l> brousch: It'll be there once the Playbook releases a native email client
[19:21] <snap-l> give it time.
[19:22] <snap-l> Along with the Android compatability
[19:24] <krondor> BB fail seriously, how can they even think the product is ready with no email client.  That's insane too given what their company is.
[19:24] <krondor> The hardware looks decent though I suppose...
[19:25] <snap-l> krondor: It's likely because they're targeting the business customers
[19:25] <snap-l> the regular consumer is an afterthought
[19:25] <snap-l> they're hoping to jam this sucker down company throats
[19:25] <krondor> yeah they gave us three days before the launch.
[19:25] <snap-l> Guarantee you, this will be showing up in a few board rooms
[19:26] <snap-l> but I'll buy tjagoda a beer if I see these things in anyone else's hands outside of his own grubby mits
[19:27] <krondor> the ipads are already there in force, there's a few galaxy tabs too floating around.  I don't really see this taking off even in the corporate space w/ that phone dependency.
[19:27] <snap-l> krondor: It''ll take off with the people who are already married to the BB ecosystem
[19:28] <snap-l> The folks that can't stay more than 5 minutes away from their e-mail
[19:28] <krondor> we're married to the ecosystem, but divorcing as we speak.  It's too expensive for what you get, and now that we can manage iphones and android it's pointless.
[19:28] <tjagoda> I don't drink alcoholic things
[19:28] <tjagoda> I would settle for a mountain dew and/or Bawls though
[19:28] <snap-l> tjagoda: You've got it.
[19:28] <brousch> a canadian that doesn't drink? wtf
[19:29] <krondor> we had somewhere near 3,000 blackberries that were corporate issued.  Now we have like 2,000 blackberries and 2300 iphones and 1600 androids.
[19:29] <krondor> the iphones and android are personal devices so the business is thinking hell, we don't even need to buy their phones or pay their plans just support that phone.  Takes a big expense off the books
[19:30]  * krondor off to meeting hell...
[19:30] <snap-l> krondor: Have fun!
[19:43] <jrmy> well off to band practice
[19:43] <jrmy> bye
[20:11] <Blazeix> woo, I was optimizing this data access layer, and I've "improved" it to the point where it issues zero SELECT statements.
[20:11] <Blazeix> but I still get data back...
[20:11] <Blazeix> (I think it's more likely that I broke the logging, than achieved infinite improvement)
[20:18] <gamerchick02> sounds fun, Blazeix.
[20:19] <gamerchick02> http://linuxoutlaws.com/live might be relevant to everyone's interests.
[20:57] <PainBank1> anyone heard of a drunken monkey test?
[21:00] <brousch> i think it's part of the shaolin kung-fu graduation ceremony
[21:23] <PainBank1> nice
[22:15] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/segphault/statuses/60448509228351488
[22:20] <snap-l> Heh, Adam Curry is still using the icon that I edited for him
[23:46] <jrwren> jcastro: what was the name of that pxe boot helper you said was in oneiric ?
[23:49] <jrwren> cobbler?


[12:57] <snadge> why is ubuntu-desktop package not installable?
[12:58] <snadge> current artful server install
[13:02] <snadge> was just a crappy mirror


[18:09] <tdurakov_> hi folks, got question about cloud-init usage, I'm trying to use it on my local no cloud env, by attaching config-drive with user-data and meta-data
[18:10] <tdurakov_> when I'm trying to add write_files to user-data, nothing has happened