[00:04] <SporkWitch> anyone know how to get mapping hotkeys to specific virtual desktops (apparently now called activities) to work?  I mapped keys, but no matter what it won't actually switch to them when i hit the key combos
[00:04] <SporkWitch> only way that seems to work is to open the virtual desktop list with meta+q and click one with the rat
[00:11] <Pici> 25
[00:36] <militantpotato> Hello, I'm currently experiencing display corruption and crash at the login screen due to my AMD 390 not playing well with 16.04. here is my xorg.log, http://pastebin.com/3a4ffmYf .   Also, when I boot with nomodeset it shows my monitor as needing 80hz, but it's max is 60.
[00:37] <militantpotato> The 80hz shows in system settings, sorry.
[01:25] <JMichaelX> anyone have an idea how to get video thumbnailing to work in Dolphin, in 16.04?
[01:34] <Hellfox> Buen día, una consulta.... eh arrastrado una aplicacion al escritorio del kubuntu 16 por ejemplo eh arrastrado el firefox al escritorio, como puedo agrandar o reducir el icono? como puedo mover el icono por q no me da la opción de molerlo.
[02:15] <Khaotic> so hexchat doesnt minimize to the tray
[02:24] <Khaotic> does hexchat minimize to the system tray in ubuntu 16.04 now?
[02:29] <Khaotic> so i think i broke the system -tray or something
[02:29] <Khaotic> i deleted ~/.kde/ ~/.cache/ ~/.local ~/.config
[02:29] <Khaotic> and now hexchat wont minimize to the system tray.
[02:30] <Khaotic> any idea how to fix?
[02:31] <Khaotic> and hexchat said it's a kde issue
[02:44] <JMichaelX> is there a setting that would cause the icons for apps with open windows to remain visible in the app launcher?
[03:16] <brian> Hi community, I'm new to Kubuntu
[03:18] <brian996> Kubuntu 16.04 have dependencies issue when installing the epson printer driver. Because my printer is EPSON L220 which didn't appear on the system known printer list so I have to download from official EPSON Linux site.
[03:19] <brian996> Dependencies issue due to the driver is too old? Is there any solution to have L220 driver installed?
[04:16] <JMichaelX> the 'driver manager' does not seem to be working, so far. it has been 'collecting information about your system' for like 2 hours now
[04:17] <SporkWitch> JMichaelX: i see the same here
[04:17] <SporkWitch> shortcuts for virtual desktops (now called activities) don't seem to work either
[04:22] <JMichaelX> man, it would have been great if they'd just focused on letting KDE 4 mature for a few more years...
[04:34] <SporkWitch> JMichaelX: i'm not entirely sure that's the issue.  yeah, there's some bugs like that, but the big problems seem to be related to making things "easier" for end-users, and making them less useful in the process.  Take the regional settings now.  "detailed" apparently means "no control beyond a country drop-down," time settings don't let you specify an NTP server or force a sync, and virtual
[04:35] <SporkWitch> desktops have effectively been removed (can't set different widgets or wallpapers on each, meaning you can either use widgets or use virtual desktops, but not both)
[04:36] <SporkWitch> i'm in the process of trying to use activities (since they're trying to force us to) for the same purpose as virtual desktops, but thanks to the fact that the shortcuts to switch directly to an activity don't work, i can't.
[05:03] <valorie> SporkWitch: that is a problem within Qt itself
[05:04] <valorie> personally I wish we'd stayed with Klocale but someone has to maintain such things
[05:04] <valorie> volunteers are always welcome
[05:05] <valorie> Khaotic: deleting ~/.kde/ ~/.cache/ ~/.local ~/.config ?
[05:05] <valorie> what on earth were you thinking?
[05:06] <valorie> when you logout and back in, you'll get nice new rather blank (default) versions
[05:06] <valorie> and have to set up everything again
[05:07] <SporkWitch> valorie: which is? the shortcuts not working, or the daft "settings" for time format and such?
[05:08] <valorie> locale = time settings
[05:09] <valorie> shortcuts not working seems very random -- a few people have problems, most don't, but we've not found a pattern to it yet
[05:10] <valorie> I wonder if it might be permissions problems, but chowning the home folder doesn't often seem to fix it
[05:10] <SporkWitch> valorie: i can confirm that the perms on the home folder were completely FUBAR after install, but that was easy enough to identify and fix, and it's been rebooted since that
[05:10] <valorie> on driver manager, the maintainer is looking into it
[05:11] <valorie> but again, seems very random
[05:11] <valorie> driver manager for me works instantly
[05:11] <SporkWitch> valorie: it'll let me set shortcuts to specific activities, and that's preserved when i reopen the settings (haven't rebooted since, yet), but they don't actually work to switch activities, and i'm trying to make them work exactly like virtual desktops used to and should
[05:12] <valorie> please talk to Ivan in #plasma about activities
[05:12] <SporkWitch> it's not as big a deal on my desktop, but on my laptop the changes to virtual desktops, combined with this bug with activities, has completely crippled my productivity
[05:12] <valorie> he's interested in making them work for the users
[05:12] <SporkWitch> (it's got me considering distro shopping for the first time in nearly a decade)
[05:13] <SporkWitch> (i HATE distro shopping)
[05:13] <valorie> for the virt desktops, there simply was no maintainer to step up
[05:14] <valorie> free software is made by people who step up and contribute to the things they want
[05:14] <valorie> volunteers are always welcome
[05:14] <SporkWitch> i saw some comments on a bug report that imply otherwise.  the tone of the dev comments was "people are using them how we want activities to be used anyway, so we deliberately removed the functionality so you'll use activities instead"
[05:14] <valorie> untrue
[05:15] <valorie> many people use virt desktops within activities
[05:15] <valorie> some comments on bug reports are unfortunate on both sides of an issue, for sure
[05:16] <SporkWitch> trust me, i know, and most of the commenters in that thread used both.  but now that they REMOVED the ability to have different wallpapers and widgets on each virtual desktop (which was present in KDE4), they can't, and are left with exponentially more activities to achieve the same effect
[05:16] <valorie> nasty user complaints sometimes get nasty devel replies, which is unfortunate
[05:16] <valorie> devels are just people too
[05:16] <SporkWitch> it was a bug report, not a nasty complaint, because such functionality disappearing rightly appears like a bug
[05:17] <valorie> well, the person who stepped up to improve activities is not interested in virt desktops
[05:17] <valorie> he's interested in better-functioning activities
[05:17] <valorie> you can't blame him for working on what he loves and prefers
[05:18] <SporkWitch> clearly; if shortcuts to switch straight to them would work, it'd at least be manageable.  don't like being forced to use them, but if it's what i have to do to maintain my functionality and workflow, i'll bend over and take it
[05:18] <valorie> SporkWitch: I've not read that bug report, so I wasn't labelling it specifically
[05:19] <valorie> like I said, please work with Ivan to see if it can be done, and if so, how
[05:19] <SporkWitch> i use kubuntu so that i DON"T have to spend more than 5 minutes after the install configuring things to my liking; if i wanted to spend a couple hours doing it, i'd use something like arch lol (and i don't, want turn-key lol)
[05:19] <SporkWitch> fair enough; that's his name on here?
[05:19] <valorie> in #plasma
[05:20] <SporkWitch> yeah, but that's his handle?
[05:20] <valorie> Ivan|athome or so, often
[05:20] <SporkWitch> k
[05:20] <valorie> and I understand your desire not to spend time configuring
[05:21] <valorie> I love that about Kubuntu as well, and we want things to work well for our users
[05:22] <valorie> there is a distinction between the work we (Kubuntu) do (bugs on launchpad) and that of KDE devels (bug reports on bko)
[05:22]  * valorie works in both
[05:22] <SporkWitch> i get that; i know KDE != kubuntu
[05:22] <valorie> good
[05:23] <SporkWitch> i raised my question in both channels, since it resulted from the switch to 16.04 (i always use LTS releases, again, to minimize my time spent working on the workstation, and maximize the time spent on the work the workstation is FOR)
[05:23] <valorie> I often see ubuntu questions in #kde, and for instance gnome or arch questions here!
[05:23] <SporkWitch> i love the new aesthetic, just not the reduction in functionality
[05:24] <valorie> afaik Kubuntu doesn't set up keyboard shortcuts etc. -- that is set up in KDE Plasma defaults
[05:24] <valorie> that said, we have a "kubuntu-settings" package
[05:25] <SporkWitch> maybe one thing you could help me with, if this doesn't work out.  on the DM login screen it has a dropdown to select other WMs.  Is there any trick to getting one i install to show up there?  Are there any i can just 'aptitude install foo' and have show up to select?  If i have to switch, i've been thinking of checking out some tiling WMs
[05:25] <valorie> but I'm not a coder, I've not worked with that or even looked inside
[05:25] <SporkWitch> yeah, i set the shortcuts, they just don't do anything once they're set lol
[05:25] <valorie> DM as in sddm?
[05:25] <SporkWitch> (they're not mapped by default, have to go into the settings and map them)
[05:25] <SporkWitch> if that's what kubuntu is using, yeah
[05:26] <SporkWitch> the display manager (DM) would be the thing that provides the shiny graphical login screen, rather than loggin in at the terminal and then typing "startx"
[05:26] <valorie> you should be able to install any of the desktops, such as unity-desktop, gnome-desktop, etc.
[05:26] <valorie> tiling WMs, not sure
[05:27] <SporkWitch> the window manager (WM) would be KDE, and desktop environments (DE) tend to bundle a DM and WM (like KDE does)
[05:27] <valorie> window manager is Kwin
[05:28] <valorie> and indeed that is part of plasma, but people do run plasma with other WMs
[05:28] <valorie> not sure why
[05:28]  * valorie is a fan of plasma and kwin
[05:28] <SporkWitch> interesting; didn't realize they segregated the two
[05:28] <SporkWitch> yeah, some of the widgets are handy.  I particularly like the different performance monitors and the folder views, but they're less useful when i can't have different sets of them on different desktops
[05:29] <valorie> especially with all the work on Wayland, the code has become much less intertwined
[05:29] <SporkWitch> hence trying to make activities do what virtual desktops used to
[05:29] <SporkWitch> this is the first i've heard of wayland in ages, i was beginning to think it was vaporware lol
[05:29] <SporkWitch> is it being used in 16.04?
[05:29] <valorie> nope, some of the devels are running it most of the time
[05:30] <valorie> not yet in 16.04 without specifically switching to it
[05:30] <SporkWitch> gotcha
[05:30] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/KWin/Wayland
[05:31] <SporkWitch> off the top of your head, what version of KDE5 is being used in 16.04 right now?  the "about" tab in KDE help doesn't list a version number...
[05:31] <valorie> you mean plasma?
[05:31] <SporkWitch> sorry, you just explained that, heh; yes, plasma
[05:31] <valorie> (you can run plasmashell --version in cli)
[05:32] <SporkWitch> danke
[05:32] <valorie> we had to go with 5.5 for release
[05:32] <valorie> 5.6 was released after feature freeze
[05:32] <valorie> so hopefully we'll have it in backports soon
[05:33] <valorie> when some other issues are ironed out and we can roll it easily
[05:33] <SporkWitch> gotcha
[05:58] <SporkWitch> valorie: is it possible to make a window display in all activities?
[06:00] <valorie> what sort of window?
[06:00] <SporkWitch> an application window (same functionality as "pinning" with virtual desktops, so the window appears on all virtual desktops)
[06:00] <valorie> the main problem I have with activities is that they mostly work with KDE applications, whereas I heavily use Chromium, for instance
[06:00] <valorie> sad but true
[06:01] <SporkWitch> so say i have a browser window open, the SAME window (not program) would be open on all
[06:01] <valorie> Konq used to win, but no longer does.....
[06:01] <SporkWitch> great, so even if i get this working, i still lose functionality >_<
[06:01] <valorie> SporkWitch: might work if in Konqueror, or Rekonq
[06:01] <valorie> but .....
[06:01] <valorie> :(
[06:01] <valorie> dunno if it will/can be made to work with Chr/FF
[06:02] <valorie> Ivan is the one who knows
[06:02] <SporkWitch> sorry, i realize how much of an ass i seem, but this is a massive disruption to my workflow.  rather than actually getting work done today, i've been fighting with this stuff
[06:02] <SporkWitch> yeah, he's not online at the moment or i'd poke him
[06:02] <valorie> most of the KDE devels are in Europe, so CET or so
[06:03] <SporkWitch> makes sense
[07:01] <SporkWitch> valorie: so apparently yes, you can make a window appear on all activities, so yeah, all that's needed to reproduce proper virtual desktop functionality is for direct shortcuts to be fixed, so i don't have to cycle through them all with meta+tab
[07:02] <valorie> oh very good
[07:02] <SporkWitch> if someone else asks, it's in the alt+f3 menu -> activities.  there's checkboxes for each activity and an "all activities" radio button
[07:03] <valorie> the kub podcast guys want to do one on activities
[07:03] <valorie> because they all use them differently
[07:05] <SporkWitch> i don't see how; it's just another name for virtual desktops. the only difference is that they're buggy, lower performance, and (the one good thing) you can tie power settings and similar to specific activities (e.g. to prevent screen sleeping in "video" but not in others).  shoot me a link, i may have a low opinion of them, especially since i'm being forced to use them when i don't want to, but
[07:05] <SporkWitch> i'm open to learning and being convinced
[07:06] <valorie> they haven't done the session yet, so there is no link
[07:07] <valorie> bugs can be fixed
[07:07] <valorie> anyway, sorry -- no time for more discussion about this tonight
[07:07] <SporkWitch> what's the link to their site, though; i've never heard of kub podcast
[07:08] <SporkWitch> no worries, i realize how late it is; have a good night
[07:08] <valorie> I'm practicially falling asleep typing
[07:08] <valorie> lol
[07:08] <valorie> #kubuntu-podcast or the podcast section of kubuntu.org
[07:09] <SporkWitch> rgr; have a good night
[08:03] <viewer|24210> hi there
[08:04] <viewer|24210> can anyone tell me that kubuntu 16.04 is a stable as it comes with kde plasma 5 which is considered as not much stable as compared to kde 4
[08:09] <soee> ...
[09:20] <dsealius> hi
[10:11] <nakki> hi all
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:45] <Smurphy> Morning
[10:47] <BluesKaj> hey
[10:49] <viewer|39599> ive just burnt kubuntu 16.4 to disc when i run it asks for login i like to know it
[10:52] <soee> viewer|39599: just hit Enter key ?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> viewer|39599,  disable secure boot in your uefi/bios
[10:53] <soee> :)
[10:56] <clivejo> if its the Live session you might have to login with username="kubuntu" with a blank password
[12:48] <noaXess> hey all
[12:48] <noaXess> don't saw any update.. but for xenial, are there no backports?
[12:48] <noaXess> or is there a new repo?
[12:56] <BluesKaj>  noaXess updates for what?
[12:57] <noaXess> yeah.. there are no xenial backports.. are they moved anywhere else or in progress
[12:57] <soee> noaXess: there are ont backports yet for Xenial
[12:57] <noaXess> cause im searching reason why amarok was removed from xenial..
[12:57] <soee> it is not removed
[12:58] <soee> in 15.10 version 2.9beta was backported but for LTS 2.8 stable was used
[12:58] <noaXess> and where is it?
[12:58] <soee> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 Packages
[12:59] <soee> 2:2.8.0-0ubuntu9
[12:59] <soee> !xenial amarok
[12:59] <noaXess> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16047863/
[13:00] <noaXess> aha.. wait.. seams some cache
[13:00] <soee> noaXess: apt remove amarok-common * apt install --reinstall amarok
[13:00] <noaXess> jep.. sorry. ;) LOL
[13:00] <soee> *&
[13:18] <tanjoodo-> how do kubuntu upgrades work?
[13:18] <tanjoodo-> does it wipe the whole system?
[13:19] <Pici> Tanjoodo: that would be silly.  It upgrades the packages in-place.
[13:19] <Tanjoodo> Pici, thanks, just making sure
[13:23] <kaddi> since the upgrade to 16.04 my battery status is no longer showing in the systray.. How do I get it back?
[13:24] <soee> are you on a machine that uses battery ?
[13:24] <kaddi> yeah, I'm on a laptop
[13:24] <kaddi> and right now I'm using it with no power connected.. so it would be good to know what the battery status is
[13:25] <soee> if so right click on systray Systray Options -> Systray Settings
[13:25] <soee> and find this entry there and mark it to be alsways shown if you like
[13:25] <kaddi> hm, ok seems to be a deeper problem.. that just says no battery availabe now
[13:26] <soee> ;)
[13:26] <viewer|7892> Hi all. Is there a possibility to update to the most current plasma desktop?
[13:26] <kaddi> so  either i just invented the perpetuum mobile by accident or something else is broken
[13:28] <soee> viewer|7892: In Kubuntu - not yet. We have 5.5.5 atm. and 5.6 should be backportend in upcoming weeks i think
[13:28] <kaddi> myrti@mytree:/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
[13:28] <kaddi>   native-path:          BAT1
[13:28] <kaddi>   vendor:               SAMSUNG Electronics
[13:28] <kaddi>   model:                SR Real Battery
[13:28] <kaddi> it still exists
[13:29] <kaddi> myrti@mytree:/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1$ acpi
[13:29] <kaddi> Battery 0: Discharging, 37%, 01:04:08 remaining
[13:29] <kaddi> even acpi is still working
[13:29] <viewer|7892> thank you soee - so I will just have to wait and see
[13:29] <SporkWitch> so i can't seem to find the installer script for dvd codecs.  restricted extras and the individual packages show as installed
[13:32] <MrSassyPants> Just updated to 16.04, can't add new wireless connections, something about connection.gateway-ping-timeout and guint
[13:35] <soee> BluesKaj: ^ have you seen this wireless connection problem ?
[13:37] <viewer|7892> bye then
 bye
[13:38] <BluesKaj> soee, MrSassyPants, ususally that results from a missing wfi driver, suggest use ethernet to find the driver in the repos
[13:39] <BluesKaj> BBL...stuff to o for a while
[13:39] <MrSassyPants> hmm Ill look into that thanks
[13:48] <menace> 1
[14:20] <parveen> hi there
[14:22] <parveen> i have installed kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop. while i run it in live mode it is showing me hibernate option in leave. but after i have installed it in my laptop it is not showing hibernate option
[14:23] <parveen> please help me on this. if is disabled in settings tell me
[14:46] <SporkWitch> if you figure it out, let me know; i haven't been able to get suspend-to-disk to work since 12.04 or so
[15:08] <viewer|8009> hi
[15:08] <viewer|8009> any chanel of kubuntu in spanish?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> !es
[15:18] <BluesKaj> oops , didn't see the quit
[15:18]  * clivejo nods
[15:18] <clivejo> they never wait for an answer
[15:19] <clivejo> two minutes and puff, they are gone
[15:20] <BluesKaj> instant gratification generation
[15:32] <witheld> Okay, I'm on Kubuntu 15.10 which is Plasma version 5.4.2
[15:32] <witheld> And KDE keeps forgetting my keyboard settings in the middle of sessions and every time I log out
[15:32] <witheld> including the layout
[15:32] <witheld> which is a huge problem
[15:33] <witheld> Just every few hours, my keyboard doesn't work right anymore
[16:18] <Zren_> try the backports maybe?
[16:19] <Zren_> witheld: it _might_ have been fixed in 5.5, but I don't know.
[16:27] <prof7bit> my updates notification in Kubuntu 16:04 suddenly stopped notifying me about updates a few weeks ago, where is this configured?
[16:32] <prof7bit> when I start it manually (from the icon in the systray) I see this: http://storage3.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/h_1461601868_4292145_18b2937a72.png but this window has absolutely no user interface to configure anything, no right mouse button, so settings button, no menu, nothing.
[16:33] <markslaw> I had a problem yesterday trying to resolve a video driver issue. The monitor was intermittently going black for a few seconds at a time. I found what looked like the right driver and installed it. It initially looked good, but the glitching continues today. I found the driver for this card on the manufacturer's website, but when I tried to run the
[16:33] <markslaw>  install routine, it asked for a kubuntu 15.10 install disk and I'm running 16.04. Can I safely burn a 15.10 disc and use it to install the driver ro do I need to wait for them to support 16.04 explicitly?
[16:34] <prof7bit> and it won't notify me about updates anymore as it always used to do few months ago,
[16:36] <prof7bit> is this Ubuntu stuff or is this an original KDE component?
[16:36] <Zren_> prof7bit: Did you uncheck it from extra items in the systray?
[16:37] <markslaw> prof7bit: I had the same problem a few months ago. Here is the way I resolved it (that day's entry from my rootlog:
[16:37] <markslaw> 19 March 2016
[16:37] <markslaw> For some time now, I haven't been able to do system upgrades or upgrade certain packages. After going online for support and nothing really working, I made sure that I had good, current backups and marked two broken packages for deletion in Muon Package Manager and applied the changes. surprise, surprise, IT WORKED! Everythingnormalized. I guess th
[16:37] <markslaw> e lesson here is that if a package shows up as broken, it really isn't being used anyway, and it's okay to delete it. I think, I hope...
[16:37] <prof7bit> Zren_:   it is checked
[16:39] <Zren_> Does AppMenu > Notifications > Muon, show a notificatio set?
[16:41] <prof7bit> markslaw: from time to time I do a sudo apt-update followed by sudo apt full-ugrade in the konsole and this goes through without errors, usually updates a lot of stuff if I do it only once or twice a week but the icon in the systray will become red and notify me ONLY after the sudo apt update has run, then it magically sees the new packages.
[16:42] <prof7bit> Zren_:  what is AppMenu?  Do you mean the Kicker start menu or how it is called nowadays?
[16:43] <Zren_> Is that what it's called?
[16:43] <prof7bit> Zren_:  I don't know how it is called, things are changing so fast in KDE every few years
[16:43] <Zren_> Used to just saying Start >
[16:45] <prof7bit> Zren_: I have problems locating anything with "Notifications" (let alone "Notifications -> Muon") in the start menu
[16:47] <prof7bit> I found something in the system settings
[16:48] <Zren_> Ah, weird.
[16:48] <Zren_> Guess your distro doesn't have .desktop links to everything in the system settings
[16:51] <prof7bit> (translated from german back to english): personal settings -> notificatiuons -> other notifications -> "update information" (probably, it reads "Aktualisierungsinformationen" ) it is all checked and for type it it is selected "notification window and symbol in system tray"
[16:52] <prof7bit> Zren_: my distro is Kubunt Xenial 16.04
[16:52] <prof7bit> +u
[16:52] <Zren_> https://github.com/KDE/plasma-pk-updates/blob/master/src/plasma/contents/ui/main.qml#L53
[16:53] <prof7bit> i upgraded it a few months ago from 15.something and before that it was 14.someting with kde 4
[16:53] <Zren_> is it a laptop?
[16:53] <prof7bit> no, a desktop pc
[16:55] <prof7bit> http://storage9.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/h_1461603363_2579613_e474b57ebc.png    http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/s_1461603391_8659794_147abb03d0.png
[16:56] <prof7bit> http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/h_1461603391_8659794_147abb03d0.png
[16:56] <viewer|6272> anyone who knows about packaging plan for plasma 5.6.x now that 16.04 is out?
[17:03] <Zren_> its not the notification if it appears when you do apt-get update
[17:03] <Zren_> which i think you mentioned earlier
[17:21] <typhoon_2099> Hey guys, I've upgraded to 16.04 and now I can't log into my laptop. If I Alt+F2 into the command line and startx I can load the desktop but I get the error message "No shell packages are installed".
[17:21] <bluspyder> ciao
[17:23] <prof7bit> Zren_: I'm not even sure how it is *suppoesed* to work, I only know how it used to work a few months ago:
[17:24] <prof7bit> normally the symbol was hidden behind the triangle
[17:24] <prof7bit> when there were updates it would appear in the systray, always visible,
[17:24] <prof7bit> i could click it and it would tell me how many updates and a button to click to do the updates.
[17:25] <prof7bit> the update program itself that would pop up had a configuration in the lower left corner to configure the updates, I had set it to downloadautomatically  but not install them
[17:26] <prof7bit> when there were important security updates the icopn would become red
[17:26] <prof7bit> now it is permanently hidden behind the triangle and does not detect any updates anymore unless I manually do apt-get update in the konsole
[17:28] <prof7bit> and the updater that comes up when I click it is not the old program anymore that it used to be but this strange new application http://storage3.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/h_1461601868_4292145_18b2937a72.png with the half baked unfinished UI that has no configuration at all, not even a menu
[17:31] <prof7bit> the unfinished unusable UI and the missing configuration makes me suspect it is some Canonical (K)ubuntu thing and does not belong to native KDE
[17:35] <prof7bit> but whatever it is and wherever it comes from there must be a way to configure the auto updates but I cannot find it.
[17:41] <prof7bit> i found out its name: its "plasma-discover" and its UI is really broken: http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/h_1461606116_1692249_e6415a15b0.png
[17:42] <prof7bit> So this is supposed to be the new LTS version of Kubuntu?
[17:46] <marco-parillo> 16.04 LTS, correct.
[17:47] <Zren_> prof7bit: No idea where it's suppose to be running apt-get update
[17:47] <Zren_> but you could always add it to crontab
[17:47] <sithlord48> prof7bit: run kdesudo /usr/bin/software-properties-kde --attach 0 --dont-update (thats what discover runs to config updates)
[17:48] <sithlord48> discover is not for power users but noone has steped up to maintain muon :(
[17:54] <prof7bit> sithlord48: what does the --dont-update option do?
[17:56] <prof7bit> sithlord48: "thats what discover runs to config updates" <-- I have not found anything in discover to open this (or any other) configuration dialog, what do you mean by "thats what discover runs to config updates"?
[17:56] <prof7bit> when does it run that?
[17:59] <sithlord48> when you click on the menu -> advanced -> configure software updates
[17:59] <sithlord48> dont--update makes it not run apt update after you close the config dialog
[17:59] <sithlord48> prof7bit: to the right of the search bar should be a menu button (||| but vertical)
[18:00] <denza242> Should I upgrade to 16.04 from 15.10? Or should I wait a bit? I heard there's some bugs with plasma in 16.04 at the moment.
[18:00] <prof7bit> sithlord48:  http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/16/0425/h_1461606116_1692249_e6415a15b0.png
[18:01] <Zren_> Most anoying thing about discover is that it doesn't show the package name in the detail view.
[18:01] <sithlord48> yeah i seen that in your screen shot
[18:01] <sithlord48> prof7bit:  that is why i provided you with the command to launch the dialog
[18:01] <Zren_> It shows the addon package names, but not the one you're about to install. :/
[18:01] <prof7bit> oh, this empty area responds to mouse clicks
[18:01] <prof7bit> brilliant UI
[18:02] <sithlord48> your missing the icon for that on mine its shows correctly
[18:02] <prof7bit> I can remember a time when there were menu bars, easy to use, intuitive...
[18:02] <sithlord48> crtl + M should get you a menu bar if it supports one..
[18:02] <sithlord48> i like the menu bar also
[18:03] <prof7bit> but nowadays meverything must look like the crippled UI on a mobile phone, even if it makes it almost unusable
[18:05] <sithlord48> gotta support touch screens like on my laptop (that never get used)
[18:06] <prof7bit> there must be a service that does the downloading of the updates, how is this done, is it a systemd job, is it a kde service? What is its name? Maybe I am missing some Package that was not installed for some strange reason when I upgraded from 14.04 -> 15.x -> 16.04?
[18:07] <sithlord48> iirc its just a cron job . what does that dialog say for autochecking (mine is set daily)
[18:08] <prof7bit> daily, download only.
[18:09] <sithlord48> maybe change the setting a reset it ?
[18:09] <prof7bit> I remember the downloading has worked a few weeks ago before it suddenly switched to this discover thing instead of the old updater
[18:10] <prof7bit> when I did apt-get dist-upgrade everything was already downloaded and it began unpacking immediately but this was weeks ago
[18:16] <blaataap> I am in a kubuntu 16.04 live session trying to open my camera by usb. The thing says "kio camera plugin not found".
[18:17] <blaataap> kio_kamera actually
[18:18] <sithlord48> blaataap:  maybe install kamera ?
[18:19] <blaataap> it's installed.
[18:19] <prof7bit> sithlord48: it seems I do not have any cron job set up here for *any* user at all. Do you know which package configured this, maybe I can reconfigure it
[18:19] <blaataap> now I try to load the SD card directly into my computer, and it is not getting recognised, loaded or mounted.
[18:19] <sithlord48> prof7bit:  no idea
[18:19] <sithlord48> blaataap:  how big is the card?
[18:20] <blaataap> 8GB
[18:20] <prof7bit> I guess I must set up a virtual machine with a fresh ubuntu and see how it is supposed to be configured there
[18:20] <sithlord48> yeah prof7bit sorry idk where its configured
[18:21] <blaataap> it used to work (at least the card) in my previous 16.04 install
[18:21] <blaataap> but I just want to know how to access it now.
[18:21] <sithlord48> blaataap:  well i was gonna say be sure to install exfat but @ 8gb it could be fat32 format..
[18:22] <blaataap> i just want to take a picture off
[18:22] <sithlord48> if the disc is formated exfat you need to install the exfat-fuse package to be able to mout it
[18:23] <blaataap> it should show up in blkid right
[18:23] <sithlord48> the disc yes the formating no
[18:23] <blaataap> i don't see any dmesg when I put it in either.
[18:24] <blaataap> it worked like a week ago and I never touched the motherboard or anything.
[18:25] <sithlord48> blaataap:  so you don't see it in lsblk?
[18:25] <blaataap> no. How can I manually access the camera (on usb)?
[18:26] <blaataap> oh lsblk didn't use yet, sorry
[18:26] <blaataap> camera doesn't show up in lsblk
[18:26] <blaataap> it's a different protocol
[18:26] <blaataap> how can I mount it?
[18:26] <sithlord48> the camera wont only the sd card
[18:26] <sithlord48> using the KIO
[18:27] <blaataap> which doesn't work.
[18:27] <sithlord48> lests start over.. blaataap when you plug the sd card in to you see it in lsblk?
[18:31] <sithlord48> if you do and you can't mount the card try installing the exfat-fuse package . alot of cameras today will use exfat as the format of the card (for a few years now)
[18:31] <blaataap> no, but I'm using gphotofs now on the camera :).
[18:31] <blaataap> ok
[18:32] <sithlord48> my camera (cannon rebel t3i) will not work with the kio in dolphin and i can only get my pictures off using digikam
[18:32] <blaataap> I'm done, thanks, still no clue about the sdcard, but I have to get on.
[18:32] <blaataap> oh ok
[18:32] <blaataap> gphotofs is easy, you only need to specify a mount point, and you can use it as a user :)
[18:32] <blaataap> thanks, gotta go though.
[18:32] <blaataap> xx
[18:32] <sithlord48> blaataap:  later
[18:41] <SJr> I had heard that there was talk that Kubuntu 16.04 and/or Kubuntu 15.10 would be the last releases, was that just rumours?
[18:48] <sithlord48> SJr:  a rumour for now
[18:59] <viewer|80847> hi, kde plas is hanging and giving slow start up speed what to do
[19:00] <viewer|80847> plasma
[19:00] <viewer|80847> knck knock
[19:01] <viewer|80847> can anyone help me out
[19:03] <soee> viewer|80847: on a fresh install or upgrade ?
[19:03] <viewer|80847> fresh install
[19:04] <viewer|80847> how to downgrade from plasma
[19:05] <soee> viewer|80847: downgrade to what ?
[19:06] <viewer|80847> previous verison of kde
[19:06] <soee> KDE4 ?
[19:06] <viewer|80847> ya
[19:06] <soee> you would have to use older Kubuntu version
[19:07] <soee> since 15.04 Kubuntu is using Plasma 5
[19:07] <soee> i  never had problems with hanging of Plasma, and 5.5.5 is pretty stable
[19:10] <viewer|80847> k
[19:23] <blaataap> who was the guy who responded to me earlier? I want to say it worked out.
[19:24] <blaataap> my printer instantly gets recognised by the system now in this version of kubuntu
[19:24] <blaataap> scanning, more difficult, although there is (hard) info on the ubuntu wiki about it.
[19:26] <blaataap> ah sithlord48 but he's gone.
[19:26] <blaataap> ksnapshot is not installed by default.
[19:29] <soee> :)
[19:29] <soee> blaataap: ksnapshot is obsolate
[19:30] <soee> now Spectacle is used for this tasks
[19:40] <blaataap> oh
[19:41] <blaataap> it's interface is worse.
[19:41] <blaataap> the audio device configuration thing chrashed when I tried to use it.
[19:42] <blaataap> then the pulse audio command line app doesn't always work.
[19:47] <MrSassyPants> BluesKaj Negative, it's not a missing wifi driver, i've installed & tried different ones and the wifi would appear to be working. Other people seem to have the same error when creating non-wifi connections: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321553
[19:54] <keithzg> Hrmm time to remember the systemd blame command, 'cause booting is taking *way* longer now with 16.04.
[19:54] <Unit193> systemd-analyze blame
[19:54] <Unit193> Or plot
[19:56] <keithzg> Unit193: Oho, I didn't even know about plot. I'm assuming that makes a fancy graph
[19:57] <Unit193> keithzg: Of course.  -analyze has a few handy options.
[19:57] <keithzg> Huh, took almost 14 seconds to mount a local BTRFS volume, which appears to have held many things up. I wonder why it took so long.
[19:59] <MrSassyPants> cc BluesKaj_
[20:00] <BluesKaj_> MrSassyPants: guess it depends on the wifi chip brand, some are more linux friendly then others. I just did a clean install of 1604 on my laptop which has the bcm4313
[20:00] <BluesKaj_> then=than
[20:00] <MrSassyPants> BluesKaj_, I guess it's not the wifi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/761646/intermittent-networkmanager-error-on-importing-ovpn-files-or-editing-such-conne
[20:02] <MrSassyPants> or it is the wifi but it's new to 16.04
[20:02]  * keithzg reboots to see if things the slow mounting can be fixed as easily as it might appear (enabling space_cache on the btrfs drive).
[20:10] <keithzg> Huh, "sudo service $servicename disable" doesn't actually work anymore?
[20:11] <keithzg> I guess I'll deign to try and use systemctl instead.
[20:12]  * keithzg reboots *again*
[20:16] <keithzg> Yeah *that* worked to disable the service in question. Hrmm. So the old "service" command isn't reliable anymore? That's unfortunate.
[20:17] <Unit193> keithzg: Are you sure you don't mean  update-rc.d disable  ?
[20:23] <keithzg> Unit193: I've always just used "service servicename enable/disable/start/stop/restart/reload/etcetc"
[20:23] <Unit193> keithzg: Manpage in trusty doesn't indicate anything about 'disable|enable'.
[20:24] <keithzg> *shrug* I dunno, it didn't spit out any complaints when I ran it either though.
[20:25] <keithzg> Hrrmmm it doesn't spit out any complaints no matter what I try, actually.
[20:25] <Unit193> Just passes it along to whatever.  Anywho, there is a compatibility layer, fwiw.
[20:26] <keithzg> Fair enough, I do always forget about update-rc.d (in part because the .d keeps making me think it's just a config directory somewhere)
[20:29] <Unit193> Indeed, odd name.
[20:31] <Unit193> keithzg: In case you didn't see/notice, systemctl disable sync'd the init script too, as updaterc does for systemd.
[20:51] <markslaw> driver manager in System Settings has a ? over it. I know that this means it's compromised. The question is how do I correct it?
[20:52] <soee> ?
[20:55] <addtru> I did install kubuntu 16.04 today. But, to my complete surprise, the package "pppoe" was not available on system. So I could not connect to the internet. Tried to setup the connection via network manager, but was unsuccessful. I don't have a router but connect directly to fast Ethernet. Usually I would type sudo pppoeconf and that triggered a text based interface where I would put my credentials for ISP. Anyone had this issue?
[20:56] <soee> uh im not familir with it
[21:06] <valorie> !pppoe
[21:07] <valorie> addtru: ^^^
[21:07] <valorie> markslaw: can you provide a screenshot?
  correct, but the package ”pppoe” was missing from kubuntu 16.04
[21:08] <valorie> what do you mean by "compromised"?
[21:08] <valorie> !info pppoe
[21:08] <valorie> it is not missing
[21:09] <addtru> In ubuntu 16.04 is present,but in kubuntu 16.04 32 bitis missing
[21:09] <valorie> because it was not on the DVD doesn't mean it is missing, just that it was not installed by default
[21:09] <addtru> I got it
[21:09] <addtru> but still, I found this very silly
[21:09] <valorie> addtru: we all use the same archive, since Kubuntu IS ubuntu
[21:10] <valorie> our ISO was over-size, and we had to cut out everything not essential to most people
[21:10] <addtru> if you do not believe me, i can mail the dvd to you :)
[21:10] <valorie> I noticed while getting the ISOs for all the flavors that most ISOs were over-size this time
[21:11] <valorie> I have all the ISOs, and the manifests for all of them are online
[21:11] <valorie> we can't include everything
[21:11] <valorie> but it's all in the archive, free for all
[21:12] <addtru> yes, it is
[21:13] <addtru> still, I was used to have it on the live cd
[21:14] <addtru> anyway, I just dropped kubuntu 16.04 for now
[21:15] <addtru> I will stay with 14.04 on my main computer
[21:29] <Fritigern> addtru: Why not dowload the 32-bit deb and its dependencies to a USB stick (aka flash drive) and install after installing 16.04?
[21:32] <user|49174> Have tried USB flash drive and experienced multiple problems. I would pay for the shipping.
[21:41] <valorie> addtru: please file a bug on launchpad about missing pppoe
[21:41] <valorie> easiest way is in the cli: `ubuntu-bug pppoe`
[21:41] <TerminalVelocity> just upgraded to 16.04.  I'm loving it thus far, with one glaring exception.  i have 2 monitors set up.  and, on the left monitor, i've configured the KDE plan to be displayed at the bottom of the screen on the LEFT monitor.  when i lock my screen, and return by supplying my password, the KDE panel is re-arranged to display on the RIGHT monitor.
[21:42] <TerminalVelocity> how do i keep the panel locked in one place
[21:42] <valorie> TerminalVelocity: you should be able to set that up in "kscreen"
[21:42] <valorie> found in systemsettings
[21:43] <valorie> or just type alt+space which brings up krunner, and then type screen and choose from the dropdown
[21:43] <TerminalVelocity> Valorie: yup, i tried that using system settings...i set things up just the way i wanted it ... then, it moves from the LEFT monitor to the RIGHT monitor after I unlock my screen
[21:44] <valorie> no option to lock the layout?
[21:44]  * valorie has only a laptop, so can't test
[21:45] <mlc> Hi kubuntu users
[21:45] <valorie> TerminalVelocity: we've been getting multi-screen complaints and most of them seem to come from Qt 5.5
[21:45] <TerminalVelocity> valorie: i did not see that under display configuration in system settings
[21:45] <valorie> and be fixed in Qt 5.6
[21:45] <mlc> I've got a tearing issue in kubuntu 16.04, any idea?
[21:45] <valorie> not sure when Ubuntu will allow that into the archives
[21:46] <mlc> plz
[21:46] <valorie> TerminalVelocity: you can check in #plasma for sure
[21:46] <TerminalVelocity> valorie: ughhhh ... i'm using QA 5.5.1 (from the upgrade)
[21:46] <TerminalVelocity> *Qt
[21:47] <TerminalVelocity> valorie: ok, thanks for the suggestions
[21:47] <valorie> well, we're urging Ubuntu to upgrade as soon as possible
[21:48] <TerminalVelocity> valorie: i sure hope so...b/c this was working just fine under Kubuntu 15.10
[21:48] <valorie> as the only user, it used to be our prerogative to upgrade it, but now Ubuntu proper also uses it, so upgrades must go at their pace
[21:48] <valorie> TerminalVelocity: then please consult with the devels in #plasma and perhaps file a bug about it
[21:49] <valorie> they can tell you whether bugs.kde.org or launchpad is better
[21:49] <TerminalVelocity> valorie: sure, no problem
[21:50] <soee_> mlc: hi
[21:51] <soee_> System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Compositor select Repaint whole screen for vsync and check Disable compositor for fullscreen windows
[21:52] <mlc> thanks
[21:52] <mlc> i'll try
[21:52] <mlc> good night all
[22:38] <tux|dude> Welp I got 16.04 up and running in the end although I had to do a clean install
[22:41] <valorie> upgrade didn't work well?
[22:41]  * valorie upgraded two laptops with few issues
[22:41] <blaataap> do you suppose the system will get in trouble if you remount /tmp some time after boot?
[22:42] <blaataap> I mean before logging in as a user (in kde) you mount an encrypted /tmp on top of it, hiding the old one.
[22:42] <valorie> what would be the point of that?
[22:42] <blaataap> to have an encrypted volume for it that is unlocked after boot.
[22:42] <dbrom> Hello all...  Jusy installed kubuntu 15.04 and cant get java to start running
[22:42] <valorie> it's meant to be flushed on quit anyway
[22:43] <blaataap> if any handles are open to the old one they remain open
[22:43] <blaataap> to those programs
[22:43] <dbrom> I have iceburg bust still having the same issue
[22:43] <valorie> dbrom: 15.04 is no longer support
[22:43] <valorie> supported
[22:43] <blaataap> it's just that some programs default to using /tmp for stuff that might be considered user data.
[22:44] <tux|dude> Yeah, the update backfired and I couldn't get my system fixed so I had to do a clean install
[22:44] <blaataap> if user data is encrypted, then so should be tmp, but if you have an unencrypted root.....
[22:44] <tux|dude> Oh well
[22:44] <valorie> blaataap: you might ask about these issues on ##linux
[22:44] <valorie> off-topic here
[22:45] <blaataap> maybe we should collapse all channels into one #offtopic and all talk there, so no one can ever go offtopic anymore ;-).
[22:45] <valorie> dbrom: can you say why you installed 15.04 rather than a supported version?
[22:46] <tux|dude> atm I'm just reinstalling all my guff now
[22:46] <dbrom> its 15.10
[22:46] <valorie> ok, that is supported through this summer
[22:46] <valorie> !java
[22:46] <blaataap> you could have done that straight away.....
[22:47] <valorie> dbrom: java is not installed by default
[22:49] <blaataap> particularly in kde I think user data is in /tmp/kde-<user>
[22:51] <markslaw> I stepped away from the computer for a few minutes. Someone asked for a screen shot of my System Settings with the driver manager showing that it is troubled. Here it is:http://imgur.com/gallery/XGud0l4/new How do I get it functioning again?
[22:51] <markslaw> http://imgur.com/gallery/XGud0l4/new
[22:53] <valorie> markslaw: now I see what you mean
[22:53] <valorie> and can report that my systemsettings does not display this question mark
[22:53] <valorie> !info driver-manager
[22:54] <valorie> !info driver-manager-kde
[22:54] <valorie> hmmm
[22:54] <markslaw> so why does it show up in my installation of xenial?!
[22:55] <valorie> got it, apt-cache search tells me that the packagename is kubuntu-driver-manager
[22:55] <valorie> and that there is also a -dbg (debug) package you can also install
[22:55] <markslaw> where do i get it?
[22:56] <valorie> so, my advice would be to `sudo apt install --reinstall kubuntu-driver-manager && sudo apt install kubuntu-driver-manager-dbg`
[22:56] <valorie> in the commandline
[22:57] <valorie> you can copy/paste by selecting between the ticks `
[22:57] <valorie> control+v
[22:57] <valorie> and in konsole, paste with control+shift+v
[22:57] <valorie> oops, copy with control+c
[22:59] <markslaw> just ran it. now to reboot and try it out. thanks.
[23:02] <markslaw> i'm back. just rebooted after reinstalling driver manager and no change.
[23:07] <valorie> markslaw: please file a bug
[23:07] <markslaw> how
[23:07] <valorie> the easiest way is in the commandline: `ubuntu-bug kubuntu-driver-manager`
[23:08] <valorie> and please attach your image (not just the link to imgur)
[23:08] <valorie> the devel was looking at bug reports the other day
[23:08] <valorie> and trying to test them with little success
[23:09] <valorie> so your report with the -dbg package installed might help


[00:30] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-ec2-provider r271 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:30] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[11:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: I have the ec2->common stuff ready, will push soon now
[12:28] <kirkland> hazmat: awesome, thanks for working with negronjl
[12:28] <kirkland> hazmat: glad to see we're cranking ;-)
[12:34] <ixxvil> hey sladen , kim0
[12:36] <etneg> sladen: ping
[12:36] <etneg> kim0: ping
[12:36] <kim0> hey
[12:37] <kim0> wonder what time is it for sladen
[12:37] <sladen> 13:37
[12:37] <kim0> :)
[12:37] <kim0> cool then
[12:37] <kim0> etneg: how's it going
[12:38] <sladen> etneg: are you the same as ixxvil?
[12:38] <sladen> etneg: (one disappeared, as the other appeared)
[12:39] <etneg> not too bad
[12:39] <etneg> oh ye
[12:39] <etneg> :D
[12:39] <etneg> did you guys see some rocky guy's logo?
[12:39] <etneg> that looked like an atom
[12:40] <etneg> nobody commented on it, just thought i'd give you a headsup
[12:40] <etneg> http://ubuntuone.com/p/13yI/
[12:42] <etneg> i haent done any new stuff, kinda got tied up but ill do a few today and upload
[12:48] <koolhead17> etneg, capital E would be much better :P
[12:49] <etneg> koolhead17: for which one?
[12:49] <etneg> the one i just posted?
[12:49] <etneg> that's not my design, it's a robbie williamson's concept
[12:50] <koolhead17> etneg, hmm. okey
[12:51] <etneg><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:51] <etneg> but ye leave comments
[12:51] <etneg> :D
[12:51] <etneg> more options on the table
[12:52] <koolhead17> he comes here too i suppose
[12:53] <etneg> ah ok
[12:54] <etneg> well either way we have more people working on it,good sign
[12:54] <koolhead17> etneg, indeed
[12:54]  * koolhead17 looks at SpamapS
[12:55] <etneg> i sitll need someone to start coloring mine:/
[13:23] <_mup_> Bug #809319 was filed: zookeeper finding should be the machine provider's responsibility <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/809319 >
[13:38] <hazmat> g'morning
[13:44] <niemeyer> hazmat: Yo!
[13:47] <niemeyer> hazmat: How did it go yesterday?
[13:50] <hazmat> niemeyer, pretty good, got some good momentum on the security policy stuff
[13:50] <hazmat> niemeyer, negronjl and i were able to work through some of the deploy issues, afaics it was just an update issue
[13:51] <niemeyer> hazmat: Hmm.. how did the issue go away?  It felt like it was reproduced after a clean bootstrap.. was that not the case?
[13:51] <hazmat> niemeyer, not after updating and doing a clean bootstrap
[13:51] <hazmat> the issue went away
[13:51] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ah, sweet
[13:52] <hazmat> niemeyer, re robbiew's email on weekly releases.. i'm a little wary atm, but i'm also unclear on how often packages get pushed to the distro repo for ubuntu-next (oneiric)
[13:53] <niemeyer> hazmat: Probably not too often
[13:53] <niemeyer> hazmat: Weekly integration releases sounds sensible
[13:53] <hazmat> to me the question would be if we're hitting backwards compatibility issues
[13:54] <niemeyer> hazmat: We have some time to allow for wild backwards incompatible changes in terms of deployments
[13:54] <hazmat> niemeyer, what's involved in making that happen, can the daily build recipe be adjusted to a weekly?
[13:54] <niemeyer> hazmat: We'll soon have to put that in control, though
[13:54] <niemeyer> hazmat: I suggest we address this on the Austin sprint
[13:54] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good
[13:54] <niemeyer> hazmat: From then on, it has to handle the situation cleanly
[13:55] <niemeyer> hazmat: Even if that means saying to admin "You can't use that version" in some tricky situations
[13:55] <niemeyer> hazmat: We'll need a hand from real Ubuntu Developers there :-)
[14:03] <koolhead17> hi robbiew
[14:03] <robbiew> hi
[14:22] <niemeyer> fwereade: Can you please have a look at this branch when you have a sec: https://code.launchpad.net/~hazmat/ensemble/security-principal-def/+merge/67618
[14:22] <fwereade> niemeyer, ofc
[14:32] <robbiew> hazmat: so with this treadmill desk thing you got setup...will we need to move our sprint from the hotel conference room to the gym? :P
[14:36] <hazmat> robbiew, i'm game. while the view might be nicer, the logistics are a bit harder to get a good roundtable setup or whiteboard usage. we might as well just sprinting from the pool treading water ;-)
[14:37] <robbiew> hazmat: hmm...they make waterproof laptops?
[14:37] <SpamapS> they do
[14:38] <hazmat> robbiew, toughbooks probably have a model for that
[14:38] <robbiew> nice
[14:38] <robbiew> hazmat: on the serious side...about how many calories do you burn a day now...or miles walked
[14:40] <hazmat> robbiew, about 6 miles a day walked, i take desk breaks where i work/sit at a desk, i've been trying to start the day with a mile run to kick things off.
[14:42] <robbiew> hazmat: nice
[14:45] <niemeyer> hazmat: Would you mind to have a look at fwereade's branch which is a follow up on the previous conversation: https://code.launchpad.net/~fwereade/ensemble/zkaw-in-provider/+merge/67703
[14:55] <hazmat> niemeyer, sure
[15:12] <fwereade> btw, what's the protocol for merging to trunk?
[15:12] <fwereade> request reviews from hazmat and niemeyer, wait for both, go?
[15:12] <fwereade> well, wait for both to *approve*, I guess ;)
[15:18] <SpamapS> fwereade: btw, welcome. :)
[15:19] <fwereade> SpamapS, thanks :)
[15:19] <fwereade> SpamapS, very glad to be here (and especially *here*)
[15:25] <hazmat> fwereade, basically, the second reviewer is also supposed to set the merge proposal to approved, for work done at the sprint, we're going with one review, to try and keep things a bit more fluid. i typically do a bzr-pipeline when i've got multiple related things in review, so i can keep forward progress on development
[15:25] <hazmat> for related things
[15:26]  * SpamapS is going to have to look into pipelines
[15:27]  * fwereade is looking into the right now :)
[15:28] <fwereade> hazmat, anyway, I'm good to merge now then?
[15:30] <hazmat> fwereade, can you add a separate test for the new provider method
[15:30] <kim0> SpamapS: Howdy Clint. So did you check out Ryan's email from mediawiki. I see this as a good opportunity, and I imagine either you or m_3 should get involved. Any thoughts ?
[15:30] <hazmat> else it lgtm, +1
[15:30] <fwereade> hazmat, ofc
[15:31] <SpamapS> kim0: I nearly spit my turkish coffee out when I read that.. *very* excited about it.
[15:31] <kim0> SpamapS: wow very good :)
[15:31] <kim0> so the ball is in our playground
[15:32] <kim0> I think we'll need someone to help convert that infrastructure
[15:38] <SpamapS> kim0: I know some ex-wikia people and have met Ryan personally. I'll reach out to them soon and maybe go up there and play with it a bit with them.
[15:38] <kim0> SpamapS: Awesome :) so we're in good hands
[15:38] <SpamapS> Ryan and I think very much alike.
[15:39] <kim0> good stuff indeed
[15:43] <fwereade> hazmat, niemeyer: re tests: a lot of the stuff I want to test is currently in the tests for EC2Connect, and (almost certainly) EC2LaunchMachine and EC2Bootstrap
[15:43] <jcastro> Hi everyone, here's the weekly report so far, anyone have anything to add? http://pad.ubuntu.com/ensemble-report
[15:43] <fwereade> what's the local consensus on where such things should be?
[15:44] <jcastro> kim0: I don't know how to describe william's ec2zookeeper aware thing.
[15:44] <fwereade> jcastro: it's just some preliminary refactoring we think we need before we can do a cobbler provider
[15:45] <fwereade> jcastro: there have been no actual changes in functionality
[15:45] <jcastro> ok
[15:46] <fwereade> hazmat, niemeyer: on one hand, duplication bad: if we end up changing the precise operations performed we need to change tests in several places
[15:46] <kim0> fwereade: Glad you explained it :) indeed I had not idea what it was doing
[15:46] <fwereade> kim0: heh, sorry :)
[15:47] <fwereade> on other hand, redundant verification good: if we didn't have this style of test it would have been much harder to refactor in this specific instance
[15:47] <fwereade> ...but I'm still reluctant to introduce *more* duplication until someone tells me it's a good idea :p
[15:48] <kim0> SpamapS: I can't wait for the storage formulas nfs/ceph/...etc This is gonna rock so hard ;)
[15:50] <hazmat> jcastro, i'm doing some of the initial security implementation work
[15:51] <hazmat> jcastro, else most of what i've been landing has been following stuff up from last week
[15:52] <kim0> hazmat: is the config-set work still in review?
[15:53] <hazmat> kim0, yes.. it hasn't landed yet.
[15:55] <jimbaker> kim0, SpamapS - any thoughts on what's the planned mapping of ceph to the cloud infrastructure? that sounds quite interesting
[16:07] <SpamapS> jimbaker: ceph is a ring.. it should work a lot like Cassandra actually.
[16:08] <SpamapS> jimbaker: the holy grail is to be able to just say 'requires: storage\ninterface: shared-mount' in any program that needs a shared mount point.
[16:08] <koolhead17> hey all
[16:08] <SpamapS> jimbaker: so ceph and nfs and gluster are interchanagable
[16:08] <SpamapS> changeable even
[16:08]  * SpamapS wishes irssi had spell check.. maybe time for a foray into X-chat again.
[16:09] <kim0> koolhead17: hey
[16:09] <koolhead17> apt-cache showpkg moodle  shows mysql-client as deps but does not install it. Using dbconfig-common for installation throws error saying mysql-client needs to be installed before this process to finish. do i need to file a bug for this?
[16:09]  * kim0 wishes unity had bell support so he can hear irssi's bells
[16:09] <koolhead17> i asked the same on u-server
[16:09] <m_3> SpamapS: do we have an interface list yet?
[16:09] <kim0> r u falling in love with dbconfig-common
[16:10] <m_3> SpamapS: I chose "filestore" and "mount"... we should standardize
[16:10] <SpamapS> m_3: no we *definitely* should standardize though
[16:11] <m_3> storage and mount/shared-mount are great
[16:11] <m_3> does mount need 'master' or is that something for 'shared-mount'?
[16:11] <SpamapS> m_3: the relation name should always be a reference to what function inside the formula it performs..
[16:12] <m_3> SpamapS: right, but filestore and storage would both work
[16:13] <SpamapS> Yeah
[16:13] <SpamapS> m_3: I forget, did I hand off the NFS formula entirely to you or did we agree I should complete it?
[16:13] <m_3> SpamapS: I do like storage better
[16:13]  * SpamapS feels his head wanting to turn hard right, starting the spin...
[16:14] <koolhead17> kim0, well indeed i am
[16:14] <m_3> SpamapS: ha!  I've been working on it, but was expecting to merge... I can finish if you want
[16:15] <SpamapS> m_3: Just push up what you've got into a branch.. I wanna see. :)
[16:15] <m_3> yup, will do... I've been having problems with legal branch names in lp... just using +junk now
[16:16] <m_3> is
[16:16] <m_3> 'master' there for a reason? or is that just thinking about a 'shared-mount' interface?
[16:17] <koolhead17> SpamapS, so i forget dbconfig-common while writing ensemble formulas :D
[16:17] <SpamapS> koolhead17: well you can use it!
[16:18] <SpamapS> koolhead17: since it knows how to configure the service for database access, its not totally useless. Its just *confusing* is all.
[16:18] <koolhead17> SpamapS, am stuck at phpmyadmin because a dbconfig-common bug which was reported in debian too
[16:19] <SpamapS> that reminds me
[16:19] <SpamapS> adam_g: did you hack the mysql formula to work w/ shared db's yet?
[16:26] <adam_g> SpamapS: yes!
[16:26] <koolhead17> hey obino
[16:26] <adam_g> SpamapS: i was gonna clean it up just a bit and send a proposal.
[16:27] <adam_g> SpamapS: https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ensemble/mysql   ive been using it a bunch. works well
[16:28] <SpamapS> adam_g: *sweet* .. I think it will be useful for phpmyadmin as well
[16:28] <adam_g> SpamapS: cool. ill send a merge proposal before lunch hopefully
[16:29] <SpamapS> adam_g: no rush.. just wanted to see how it was going
[16:29] <adam_g> one thing ive noticed, tho
[16:30] <adam_g> maybe this is the only formula that has multiple peers relating to it? but, the list of related peers for mysql unit in 'ensemble status' only lists the last related peer, not a list of all peers related.. if that makes sense
[16:30] <SpamapS> adam_g: I noticed it too
[16:30] <SpamapS> adam_g: I think the status output is just masking the actual list of relations
[16:30] <adam_g> obviously not a huge deal, but it would be convinient to have them listed there as well
[16:30] <SpamapS> adam_g: I think I saw a bug on that, did you file that?
[16:30] <adam_g> SpamapS: no, i haven't
[16:31] <SpamapS> adam_g: status' output is critical actually.. for a number of reasons.
[16:31] <m_3> adam_g: dude, the shared-db-relations look great
[16:31] <adam_g> cool thans
[16:32] <adam_g> ive also got a rabbitmq formula that needs a bug worked out and ready to submit, and a buncha nova stuff
[16:32] <adam_g> (nova-compute, nova-cloud-controller, glance)
[16:32] <SpamapS> adam_g: swift?
[16:32] <adam_g> no swift yet, was gonna try to tackle that this week
[16:32] <SpamapS> seems swift should be pretty straight forward as a formula.. the consumers just have to list and connect to the nodes right?
[16:33] <jimbaker> SpamapS, i take it that ceph would simply use the instance storage?
[16:33] <adam_g> SpamapS: well, yeah. but constructing the swift proxy and all of the storage nodes is a bit less trivial. its almost like building a raid array
[16:33] <SpamapS> jimbaker: yeah I think thats the simplest way
[16:34] <SpamapS> adam_g: sounds like I need to re-read the swift architecture page again
[16:34] <jimbaker> SpamapS, yeah, that does keep it simple. i wonder how that works out costwise in comparison to EBS
[16:35] <SpamapS> jimbaker: Actually I think I'd recommend we use EBS root instances.
[16:35] <SpamapS> jimbaker: at least until we have a better storage management story.
[16:36] <jimbaker> SpamapS, yeah, that's why i was curious :)
[16:37] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: re the orchestra-provider branch, I'm playing with it now.. can you try running './test ensemble.ftests.test_orchestracontrol' ? does that work with the environments.yaml I pastebinned earlier?
[16:40] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: let me check
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ZOOKEEPER_PATH what should I set in the environment variable
[16:46] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: hm shouldn't need that..
[16:47] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: do you have zookeeper installed?
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yeah working now
[16:49] <kim0> SpamapS: m_3 You are invited to add Ensemble sessions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays/Timetable
[16:51] <jcastro> so are we keeping the principia name or not? I'd like to just rename the wiki page to /Formulas
[16:52] <koolhead17|afk> robbiew, saw the ensemble logo idea of yours. Capital E would be better :P
[16:54] <robbiew> koolhead17|afk: heh...that's pretty easy to switch...but I thought the lower case looked better
[16:55] <kim0> reminds of IE though :)
[16:56] <SpamapS> somebody should maybe grab this https://launchpad.net/formulas
[16:57] <SpamapS> robbiew: Oh! yeah, the logo is *sweet*. As much as I like the oxygen reference with the number of electrons.. I think it might be too busy ;)
[16:57] <jcastro> SpamapS: I'll snag that on launchpad
[16:58] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: http://pad.ubuntu.com/orchestra-setup-for-ensemble .. working on it now
[16:58] <jcastro> lp.net/ensemble-formulas perhaps?
[16:58] <robbiew> SpamapS: yeah...had that thought too
[16:58] <robbiew> that's easily reduced though
[16:58] <robbiew> maybe just three
[16:58] <robbiew> to hint at the heads in the ubuntu logo
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: awesome, thank you!
[16:59] <robbiew> that's actually how I originally had it
[17:00] <kim0> m_3: thanks for the session \o/
[17:00] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, so is the pad doc there working for you?
[17:00] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yes
[17:01] <smoser> cool. i will reproduce here too.
[17:06] <m_3> kim0: np... lemme know if you'd like another topic (i.e., if we need one for data instead)
[17:07] <m_3> kim0: I figured maybe the etherpad-lite node app would be cool to see
[17:12] <jcastro> what's the preferred license of a formula? Ideally whatever the upstream project's license is I would assume?
[17:19] <m_3> jcastro: maybe more open than that... formulas won't nec be written by the people maintaining the upstream project
[17:20] <jcastro> m_3: right, so in general we don't really care as long as it's open? Like we don't have an overarching guideline?
[17:22] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, i'm guessing its just user error
[17:22] <smoser> but /etc/apache2/conf.d/dav.conf doesnt work for me
[17:22] <smoser> Syntax error on line 5 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/dav.conf:
[17:22] <smoser> Invalid command 'Dav', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[17:26] <SpamapS> sudo a2enmod dav
[17:26] <SpamapS> adding
[17:28] <smoser> ok. so that was fixed.
[17:28] <smoser> now Unknown DAV provider: filesystem
[17:29] <SpamapS> hrm
[17:29] <m_3> a2enmod dav_fs?
[17:30] <SpamapS> maybe
[17:31] <m_3> jcastro: we want to promote formula re-use... don't know what else
[17:32] <SpamapS> jcastro: the formula has to be redistributable under a free license so that we are in the clear and users know they can use it w/o any problems.
[17:35] <SpamapS> smoser: thats printing when you restart apache?
[17:35] <smoser> works now.
[17:35] <smoser> needed dav_fs
[17:35] <smoser> updated etherpad
[17:37] <SpamapS> Note that I just updated the pre-seed template to point at the right 'repo' instead of 'pkgs'
[18:15] <_mup_> ensemble/security-node-policy-def r271 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:15] <_mup_> implement security policy, returns acls for new nodes by path.
[18:33] <niemeyer> I love robbiew's logo: http://ubuntuone.com/p/148H/
[18:35] <m_3> niemeyer: +1
[18:36] <m_3> goes right along with the physics theme... "canonical ensemble"
[18:36] <m_3> we really do need some options that allow for "grand canonical ensemble" or "micro canonical ensemble"
[18:40] <SpamapS> Ensemble: Now w/ less electrons. ;)
[18:40] <SpamapS> niemeyer: +1 from me too.. I think we should adopt it.
[18:41]  * SpamapS begins work on creating an "Ensemble Man" out of The Simpsons' Radioactive Man
[18:41] <m_3> like little ladder operators... from the vacuum state to an excited state in two shakes
[18:41] <m_3> SpamapS: rofl
[18:42] <m_3> SpamapS: set to the tune of 'triangle man' from theymightbegiants
[18:44] <SpamapS> haha ensemble man beats cranky-ops man. ensemble wins
[18:44] <SpamapS> cranky ops man hates ensemble man. they have a fight. ensemble wins. ensemble man.
[18:45] <m_3> nice
[18:46] <m_3> ok, we'll have a recording session in Austin
[18:46] <SpamapS> you bring the accordion
[18:47] <m_3> tub-bass is more my talent
[18:48] <_mup_> Bug #809498 was filed: intended providers.ec2 submodule visibility is unclear <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/809498 >
[18:52] <robbiew> apparently my only key contribution to ensemble will be the logo
[18:52] <robbiew> lol
[18:58] <SpamapS> robbiew: don't forget you also gave us a theme song
[18:59] <SpamapS> Or, I guess, its a mission statement more than a song. ;)
[19:02] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: any progress?
[19:02] <m_3> negronjl: the masters/slaves aren't set by the package, but it evidently doesn't matter... working fine so far
[19:02] <zul> ensemble queries the uec-images.ubuntu.com by default right? how do we get to use our own images
[19:03] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-ec2-provider r274 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:03] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[19:03] <SpamapS> zul: right now ensemble only uses ec2
[19:03] <SpamapS> zul: oh sorry I misunderstood your question
[19:03] <SpamapS> zul: there's a config parameter in environments.yaml
[19:04] <SpamapS> zul: where you set the ami
[19:04] <zul> yeah i tried that i didnt get any further
[19:05] <zul> SpamapS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642836/
[19:05] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: just got back from lunch
[19:05] <RoAkSoAx> working on it now
[19:06] <zul> SpamapS: and my environment http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/642837/
[19:07] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I updated the kickstart template again
[19:11] <SpamapS> zul: that looks more like a problem connecting to the ec2-uri than the ami
[19:11] <SpamapS> if not, then thats a crappy error message
[19:11] <SpamapS> zul: give it '-v' to get a full backtrace
[19:11] <zul> SpamapS: yeah i figured out what is wrong with that error message different ip now trying on the bucket stuff
[19:11] <SpamapS> as in ensemble -v bootstrap
[19:12] <zul> now it cant find the s3 bucket
[19:13] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: k
[19:13] <jcastro> SpamapS: when you have a few minutes like when you take a break or something can we skype or google hangout? I have some dumb questions for ya
[19:18] <m_3> kim0: that 'getting started with hadoop on ubuntu' blog post simplifies a bunch
[19:26] <SpamapS> jcastro: still trying to get out the door to eat.. how about in about 1 hour?
[19:26] <jcastro> SpamapS: sure, whenevs
[19:26] <serue> SpamapS: go eat!
[19:27] <serue> forget that, give in and call dominos
[19:28] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-ec2-provider r275 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:28] <_mup_> Refactored _ensure_groups
[19:28] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: zookeeperd should also be installed and running right?
[19:36] <kim0> m_3: simplifies? it sounded like it needed simplification :)
[19:40] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provider-ec2 r276 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:40] <_mup_> Fix callback refactoring
[19:44] <m_3> kim0: yeah, dude... rocks
[19:44] <kim0> m_3: did you have time to write that readme file you mentioned
[19:44] <smoser> SpamapS, http://pad.ubuntu.com/orchestra-setup-for-ensemble . 'ensemble-branch' should probably match the orchestra branch, rigth?
[19:47] <m_3> kim0: just ran through the demo and am writing it up now
[19:48] <m_3> kim0: still a little ugly... references +junk repos, and lots of steps that won't be there after release
[19:54] <SpamapS> smoser: yes but thats actually not important as that functionality is currently disabled. :-P
[19:56] <SpamapS> smoser: the way to achieve the same thing is to put that branch's packages in the repo
[19:56] <SpamapS> which also has me thinking that there's work to be done in making ensemble deploy itself more cleanly.
[19:57]  * niemeyer mumbles something about cloud-init
[20:02] <SpamapS> Right, I think cloud-init may be the right way to do what I'm thinking. I'm more concerned with making sure ensemble can install without access to ppa.launchpad.net or bazaar.launchpad.net.
[20:03] <SpamapS> I was just thinking that the provisioning agent should be able to encapsulate the desired ensemble version and deliver it to the machines.
[20:03] <SpamapS> Probably by setting a repo address and serving said repo itself... and then it can just build the .deb or .egg or whatever and serve it up.
[20:08] <niemeyer> SpamapS: I believe hazmat has already fixed part of that porblem in trunk
[20:10] <niemeyer> SpamapS: In revision 266, more specifically
[20:12] <niemeyer> "porblem" is an awesome typo, btw
[20:12] <SpamapS> Sounds delicious
[20:14] <SpamapS> niemeyer: right, so the private cloud story is to also setup a bzr server available to your machines. I'm thinking that it should be part of the provisioning agent to just do that automatically.
[20:14] <niemeyer> SpamapS: I don't think I understand what you mean thre
[20:15] <niemeyer> SpamapS: The private cloud story should work the same way as the public cloud story
[20:15] <niemeyer> SpamapS: As far as protocols and procedures go
[20:15] <niemeyer> SpamapS: One talks to public services, the other doesn't
[20:15] <SpamapS> niemeyer: it has no access to lp:ensemble or ppa:ensemble/ppa .. just a local mirror of ubuntu.
[20:16] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Yes, and we won't need that.. trunk is able to deploy Ensemble without bzr branches available
[20:16] <niemeyer> SpamapS: It needs packages, of course, and we'll need to ensure there is a repository available
[20:16] <niemeyer> SpamapS: But that's somewhat of a need anyway.  Or at least that's my understanding
[20:17] <SpamapS> niemeyer: yeah, the story is handled.. I'm just not entirely happy with it at the moment. Still too dependent on ppa/lp ..
[20:17] <niemeyer> SpamapS: We don't depend on it.. we depend on an archive
[20:18] <SpamapS> are you guys going to EOD at 17:00 or 18:00 ? I still haven't eaten.. so much to handle after 2 weeks away from home. :p
[20:18] <niemeyer> SpamapS: It's trivial to implement support for looking at a different archive
[20:18] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Oh, 18+, please go for it
[20:18] <SpamapS> ok.. bbiab
[20:18] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Enjoy
[20:29] <jcastro> kim0: alright! our first community question, http://askubuntu.com/questions/52840/differentiator-between-ensemble-and-front-runners-puppet-and-chef
[20:33] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provider-ec2 r277 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:33] <_mup_> Remove default inbound fw rules
[21:20] <SpamapS> jcastro: wanna chat now?
[21:20] <m_3> jcastro: first question cuts right to the chase
[21:22] <SpamapS> jcastro: btw I'm going to answer that question with, hopefully, a short answer
[21:23] <jcastro> SpamapS: heh
[21:23] <jcastro> SpamapS: yeah I can chat now
[21:24] <SpamapS> jcastro: I have yet to try google's video chat.. and with Skype being under the scourge of new ownership... I'm anxious to give it a whirl
[21:43] <m_3> kim0: here's my first pass at a hadoop getting started post http://blog.markmims.com/ensemble/2011/07/12/hadoop-on-ubuntu
[21:43] <m_3> feedback from all pls... kim0 lemme know if you want something done differently
[21:58] <jimbaker>  m_3, nice
[22:07] <m_3> jimbaker: thanks... trying to walk the balance between short/sweet and too many 'ensemble status' snippets
[22:09] <jimbaker> m_3, you may also want to show ensemble status using a filter
[22:11] <jimbaker> m_3, we probably should take an arg for add-unit so you don't have to do that list. i think this has been discussed before
[22:12] <jimbaker> m_3, lastly - you can do add-relation as soon as the services on each side of the relation have been deployed. no need to wait
[22:15] <SpamapS> m_3: have you tried the ensemble status svg output?
[22:15] <m_3> SpamapS: is that the dot one?
[22:16] <m_3> jimbaker: awesome thanks... that saves a step of waiting/checking
[22:16] <SpamapS> jcastro: btw, here is the draft docs for how service configs should work https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/docs/drafts/service-config.html
[22:16] <_mup_> Bug #809599 was filed: ensemble add-unit should support adding more than one unit at a time <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/809599 >
[22:17]  * SpamapS also wants a "provision-machines" command so he can just tell the provision agent to start 10 ahead of time.
[22:18] <m_3> I also _so_ want a --stack arg to deploy
[22:18] <m_3> enseble deploy --stack svc1 svc2 svc3
[22:19] <jimbaker> m_3, the other thing that comes to mind is that ideally the formula for hadoop should leave it in a good state such that it can always have jobs run against it w/o observing ensemble status by a user
[22:19] <m_3> but I'm so lazy I've got two character aliases for all of this
[22:20] <m_3> jimbaker: I don't follow
[22:20] <jimbaker> m_3, i have my own deploy-stack alias ;) - basically you should be able to do everything in that listing all at once, as long as the commands are run sequentially
[22:20] <jimbaker> m_3, that is, alias deploy-stack='ensemble status && ensemble deploy --repository=examples mysql && ensemble deploy --repository=examples wordpress && ensemble add-relation mysql wordpress && ensemble status'
[22:20] <m_3> the 'ensemble status' observations are to wait until the service is related before trying to ssh in and use the thing
[22:21] <jimbaker> m_3, yeah, i do wonder about using ensemble ssh in this way. it's really meant for debugging a system
[22:22] <m_3> jimbaker: there are lots of times that status reports the service started and the relation up, but there's still another several minutes (literally) of stuff to go before the relation is really up
[22:22] <jimbaker> m_3, maybe the right way to do this is have some sort of job submission service... not certain
[22:22] <m_3> dunno
[22:23] <SpamapS> isn't there a web interface for hadoop?
[22:23] <m_3> yup, but that's fer sissies
[22:23] <m_3> yeah we can show that too
[22:23] <jimbaker> m_3, precisely. but if you have a service that depends on hadoop being in a good state, there's no need to poll ensemble status. that might be the web interface SpamapS mentions, i don't know
[22:23] <m_3> I was just trying to reproduce the seminal posts on the topic... only changing ensemble
[22:23] <jimbaker> m_3, definitely it would be nice to have the web interface demonstrated
[22:24] <_mup_> Bug #809607 was filed: EC2-specific code is mixed in with generic machine-launching code <Ensemble:New for fwereade> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/809607 >
[22:24] <SpamapS> If ssh is the normal way to use it.. then I think ssh is fine.
[22:25] <jimbaker> SpamapS, certainly a reasonable point
[22:25] <SpamapS> But maybe ssh is the normal way its used because it has always been a PITA to get more structured access methods setup
[22:26] <m_3> yeah, I'd imagine the best way to use it would be from your laptop... letting other tools do the ssh-ing for you
[22:27] <m_3> BTW, these use cases are crying out for osx ensemble tools... lots of people use ubuntu only in the cloud
[22:28] <jimbaker> m_3, as far as i know, ensemble works fine on os x
[22:28] <SpamapS> Yeah I'd be surprised if it didn't.
[22:28] <jimbaker> m_3, although i haven't tried for a while
[22:28] <SpamapS> python setup.py
[22:28] <SpamapS> tho maybe there are 2.7'isms now
[22:28] <m_3> was just thinking of the friends I would send the post out to
[22:28] <SpamapS> I think Lion may have 2.7
[22:28] <m_3> good deal of them develop on mac but use ubuntu for cluster deployments
[22:28] <jimbaker> definitely depends on 2.6
[22:29] <SpamapS> jimbaker: Snow Leopard has 2.6
[22:30] <jimbaker> SpamapS, cool. as you mentioned, it might also be at 2.7. not sure. i should get out my MBP and try out the test suite again
[22:31] <SpamapS> We actually should setup jenkins tests and have a mac slave running somewhere
[22:31] <jimbaker> SpamapS, that would be very nice
[23:45] <SpamapS> Hmm.. I wonder if the test suite will run in a buildd's isolation..
[23:47] <_mup_> Bug #809634 was filed: Ensemble should allow additional user-defined userdata/cloud-config <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/809634 >


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