[04:06] <arraybolt3> @tsimonq2: Well... looks like LXQt Wayland is probably just about ready then... do we want to try to go Wayland for 23.10?
[04:07] <arraybolt3> (At least offering it as an option, I'm thinking?)
[04:07] <arraybolt3> I can probably package Wayfire for Debian and Ubuntu, and I'm pretty sure you can help get it into both.
[04:07] <arraybolt3> (That looks like where LXQt is mainly headed as far as Wayland compositor support.)
[04:08] <arraybolt3> There's also labwc but I dunno how well it will work.
[04:09] <arraybolt3> Also, did you see email some months ago about maybe doing a UI refresh for 23.10? I wonder what you think of that idea.
[04:33] <arraybolt3> And one more idea - maybe we can add ubuntu-drivers support to Calamares (via a subprocess module and a checkbox maybe)?
[04:46]  * arraybolt3 writes these things down
 Will it be possible to backport the wayland lxqt proposed for 23.10 to 22.04 or we will have to wait for 24.04 ?? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> writes these things down)
[15:44] <arraybolt3> @BlackKnight987: That remains to be determined. Might be possible, might not be.
[16:50] <tsimonq2> My gut reaction re: Wayfire: not before the LTS but that's not set in stone
[16:51] <tsimonq2> I mean, if it's really stable right out of the box and we have graphics drivers worked out, sure
[16:51] <tsimonq2> In terms of backporting, probably not
[16:51] <tsimonq2> UI refresh> no, please remind me
[16:51] <tsimonq2> Calamares> +1, good idea
[16:52] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Should be an email to lubuntu-devel@ titled " Suggestion - do a user interface refresh for the 23.10 cycle?"
[16:52] <tsimonq2> Link?
[16:52] <arraybolt3> I *think* (not entirely sure?) that graphics drivers should Just Work - the drivers support Wayland, not the other way around.
[16:52] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Uh... lemme dig it up...
[16:53] <arraybolt3> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2023-March/001963.html
[16:56] <arraybolt3> Anyway the thing that triggered my mention of Wayland is the fact that LXQt 1.3.0 has Wayland-related fixes that look hopeful, so while we definitely wouldn't want to replace X with Wayland entirely, it might be worth just adding it as an option so that people who are eager to try it can log into an LWQt session from SDDM.
[16:56] <arraybolt3> Obviously it probably won't be perfect for everyone, but it might help us to get the bugs shaken out if we offer it as an option that we label as experimental.
[16:56] <tsimonq2> Right, that is certainly an option I think
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Wrt theming overhaul, what are some viable candidates?
[16:57] <arraybolt3> Not sure yet, I've not looked into it a whole lot. I liked how Clearlooks looked and I think that's what Debian uses by default in LXQt though.
[16:58] <tsimonq2> We should still be unique, I'd say
[16:58] <arraybolt3> The email was more to get people's general idea on whether a UI refresh would be welcome at all before digging into what exactly the "new" UI would look like.
[16:59] <arraybolt3> Maybe that's backwards though :P
[16:59] <tsimonq2> And hey, this is just my gut reaction since apparently I'm dumb and don't know how to read emails. :P
[17:00] <arraybolt3> lol
[17:02] <arraybolt3> We could also do something really fun and make our own theme from scratch, if we had the time.
[17:03] <arraybolt3> (Though we want to rewrite lubuntu-update-notifier so we might not have the time to do something quite that ambitious. But hey, four months is a while.)
 "And hey, this is just my gut..." <- Bah! Who has time for email? Lol
[17:43] <arraybolt3> Heh, depends on if you have Thunderbird set up or not :D
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Devil's advocate here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/2016436/comments/1
[22:24] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2016436 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Calamares will let you set up a user account with no password" [Undecided, New]
[22:26] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: We'll see...
[22:27] <Eickmeyer> I have the feeling it's a config.
[22:27] <arraybolt3> Let's hope so, because XScreenSaver locks you out if your password is blank. Just confirmed it.
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/calamares/src/modules/users/users.conf#L118
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> Bug is actually in calamares-settings-ubuntu
[22:30] <arraybolt3> Yay!
[22:30] <arraybolt3> And grr... now we're going to need a respin.
[22:31] <Eickmeyer> Likely for both Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio if the problem is present in both.
[22:33] <arraybolt3> Yep, looks like Studio also is missing the needed option.
[22:33] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: You want me to fix it for both while I'm at it, or are you content with it as it is?
[22:33] <arraybolt3> (Make sure to test that KDE's screen locking won't lock you out if you want to leave it as-is.)
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Nah, because the screen locking isn't a problem in KDE.
[22:34] <arraybolt3> +1, then I'll fix it in Lubuntu only.
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> BUT, I'd rather people not have a blank password.
[22:34]  * Eickmeyer is very security minded
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: ^
[22:35] <arraybolt3> OK, then I'll fix it in both.
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Thanks. :)
[23:10] <arraybolt3> Hmm... I dunno, as much as this is a crummy problem, how does the Lubuntu team feel about a respin?
[23:10] <arraybolt3> guiverc, tsimonq2, teward, kc2bez[m] ^
[23:11] <arraybolt3> (And also kgiii and LeoK[m], though it looks like kgiii is missing atm)
[23:12] <arraybolt3> I feel it would be helpful and that it's within our ability to do, but I also don't want to flush the testing work everyone's been doing for something that we're not all on board with.
[23:12] <arraybolt3> The fix appears to work at least.
[23:13] <kc2bez[m]> We've been pretty lax with password and user enforcement in the past. There are a bunch of options in the configuration really.
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Is the screensaver the only package affected by this?
[23:14] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I don't know, but I still think it's a Bad Idea to let users be able to lock themselves out doing something that they think will keep themselves from getting locked out.
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Also, if this bug exists, what is different in the live ISO, which also has a blank password?
[23:15] <arraybolt3> Nothing :) You can lock yourself out of a live session too.
[23:15] <arraybolt3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/2000787
[23:15] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2000787 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Live system cannot leave 'Lock Screen' when selected from menu" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[23:15] <kc2bez[m]> I am not opposed to a change here but we could release note it too.
[23:16] <guiverc> I don't mind either way... I never thought to test no passwd & would imagine some (kids etc) would like it, can understand why its not good, but I'm not fussed either way
[23:16] <arraybolt3> Either way, since I can see Eickmeyer would really like the fix (he marked it Critical), I'll upload it, it's just a question of whether to press the "flush all our testing work and make a new ISO" button or not.
[23:16] <tsimonq2> Okay, two questions... does the default installer prevent this? Does it affect anything besides the screensaver?
[23:16] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: If by default installer you mean Ubiquity, I'm fairly certain it does prevent this.
[23:17] <arraybolt3> As for the second question, that's yet to be determined.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> Can confirm: Ubiquity prevents a blank password.
[23:17] <kc2bez[m]> There is the other default flutter installer too
[23:17] <guiverc> default desktop install is now ubuntu-desktop-installer (for Ubuntu Desktop)
[23:17] <arraybolt3> Hmm, I'd have to zsync to find out if the Flutteri nstaller also prevents it.
[23:17] <guiverc> ubiquity is found on legacy/alternate iso only
[23:18] <arraybolt3> Well there are a lot of flavors still using Ubiquity so arguably it still is the "default installer" for a lot of things.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> But still supported.
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> Considering ubuntu-desktop-installer was modeled after Ubiquity, I'd argue it's safe to assume it also doesn't allow a blank password.
[23:19] <arraybolt3> (zsync of Ubuntu Desktop in progress over here)
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> And to be fair, spinning a new ISO does not flush all of the testing work, that stuff is still recorded and does not get erased.
[23:21] <guiverc> Eickmeyer, referring to https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ where policy says start-again if certain packages are changed..
[23:21] <Eickmeyer> Oh! I was referring to the official iso tracker.
[23:21] <kc2bez[m]> We've still got some time to test things, all is good.
[23:22] <arraybolt3> Yeah, and this is a change to calamares-settings-lubuntu, so it *will* result in us having to do ~18 more installs.
[23:22] <guiverc> I agree kc2bez[m]
[23:22] <arraybolt3> (Currently verifying that the bug fix works on Studio, looks promising so far.)
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Calamares is calamares. If it works in Lubuntu it will work in Studio. DE isn
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> t a factor.
[23:23] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Right but I made the change in two separate places, and while it was the same change both times, you can never be too careful, especially with an installer.
[23:23] <arraybolt3> (What if I made a typo and missed it?)
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> That's what a difftool is for.
[23:24] <arraybolt3> Also there are documented instances where Calamares does things weird on Studio that it doesn't do on Lubuntu (i.e., autologin)
[23:24] <arraybolt3> So it's not entirely true that DE isn't a factor.
[23:24] <arraybolt3> (It's probably not a factor here though.)
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> The autologin is a known bug.
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> And one that I bugged Adrian about at Summit.
[23:26] <arraybolt3> I'm just saying, I'd rather avoid breaking things on accident. I should use a difftool too (I have Meld installed), but theoretically it is possible that Calamares could have some weird interaction with a KDE component that it doesn't have with LXQt that causes it to crash with a SIGABRT for no apparent reason if you set some particular setting. Unlikely, but could happen.
[23:26] <arraybolt3> And the install is already mostly done anyway :P
[23:30] <arraybolt3> Verified that everything's working, package is now uploaded.
[23:31] <arraybolt3> And pushed to Git.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> This patch doesn't feel quite right, because it's restricting user functionality. That being said, I just read the SDDM bug
[23:32] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (lunar-proposed/universe) [1:23.04.11 => 1:23.04.12] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: To disallow a blank password? I mean I'm pretty sure we used to disallow a blank password before.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> This cycle, meh, it's not a regression compared to Ubiquity
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (In Focal, possibly still in Jammy.)
[23:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Personally, if the user really, *really* wants a blank password that badly, they can do that after the installation is finished using some "I'm obviously asking for trouble here" hack that doesn't involve using `passwd` since `passwd` won't let you do it anyway. Then when XScreenSaver locks them out, they did it to themselves at least.
[23:36] <guiverc> IF no password is accepted now with installer issue; will that mean the screenlock of installed system won't unlock??   That issue would mandate fix/respin in my view.
[23:36] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Yes.
[23:36] <arraybolt3[m]> If you make a user account with no password, you will be unable to unlock the screen.
[23:36] <guiverc> I'll vote we need to respin then now.
[23:36] <tsimonq2> How long has that been happening? Can we confirm that this is an issue on the live ISO?
[23:36] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the main reason I'm in favor of disallowing a blank password. If it wasn't for that, I'd not be that concerned about it.
[23:36] <Eickmeyer> Needs an ack from release team first.
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: I don't know how long. It may have been like this (and may still be like this) in Kinetic.
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> I remember some user reporting it, and I told them "I don't think the installer lets you make a user acocunt with no password". Welp, turns out it does.
[23:37] <tsimonq2> No, I mean the screensaver issue specifically
[23:38] <arraybolt3> Oh. That's been happening for a few months, sudodus reported it in December of last year.
[23:38] <arraybolt3> It's a fair guess that it's always been like that though.
[23:38] <arraybolt3> I mean I can fire up a Focal VM and see.
[23:38] <tsimonq2> And to be clear, do we have default timeout settings? (I always changed that immediately after install)
[23:39] <tsimonq2> Er, power saving
[23:39] <arraybolt3> I'm pretty sure the screen does automatically lock.
[23:39] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, the first user (an admin user by default) having no password is a security issue no matter which way you sell it.
[23:39] <arraybolt3> Hmm, it looks like it does *not* automatically lock after all.
[23:39] <arraybolt3> I think I was wrong there.
[23:40] <tsimonq2> You scared me there for a second. :)
[23:40] <arraybolt3> Still, a user could set a blank password, lock the screen with important work open, come back to unlock it, and then discover that they just lost all their work.
[23:40] <arraybolt3> (Windows lets you make a user with no password and then lock the screen, it just *also* lets you back in after that :P so this is something people are liable to do.)
[23:41] <guiverc> I can't imagine any smart-user who relies on their system using a (blank) password...
[23:41] <arraybolt3> Valid point.
[23:42] <arraybolt3> Here's a question - if you enable suspend-on-lid-close on a laptop, does the screensaver kick in automatically when you wake the system?
[23:42]  * arraybolt3 checks
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> Having a blank password as an admin user is just a security nightmare. Having windows with a blank password is just saying, "Hey! Look at me! Here's all my stuff!"
[23:43] <guiverc> ack Eickmeyer ; its not a great 'selling' point as for Lubuntu taking security as important..
[23:44] <guiverc> (or Ubuntu Studio from your view)
[23:44] <arraybolt3> Yeah the screensaver *does* kick in when you wake a laptop.
[23:44] <arraybolt3> (Just confirmed using a Lunar Final install of Lubuntu that I made during testing.)
[23:44] <arraybolt3> And now I just locked myself out :P
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> ope
[23:45] <arraybolt3> So there is a fairly common scenario wherein which someone could lock themselves out doing this (laptop set to suspend when lid is closed), and there's the obvious security concerns.
[23:46] <guiverc> I'd suggest respin if Ubuntu Release Team allows (thus we retest); otherwise we release-note it..
[23:46] <arraybolt3> Holy smoke I only had about 29% of the Ubuntu Desktop ISO here. So that's going to take a while :)
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> They'll most certainly allow it.
[23:47] <tsimonq2> So, what about the screensaver bug?
[23:47] <tsimonq2> Is there any known workaround or fix for that? Have we tried the latest version?
[23:48] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I find it highly unlikely we'll get away with adding a new version of XScreenSaver from upstream this late in the game. It turns XScreenSaver from GTK2 to GTK3, and it lacks the time bomb fix we applied.
[23:48] <arraybolt3> As for any known workaround, there is none that I know of.
[23:48] <Eickmeyer> Just pinged vorlon to see if he's around for a quick ack before dinner.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> Does that version actually have a fix for it, or would we have to patch it anyway? I'm not suggesting a full version update, just a cherry pick
[23:49] <arraybolt3> Sadly XScreenSaver doesn't use Git so finding a patch to cherry-pick is non-trivial.
[23:49] <arraybolt3> jwz only distributes tarballs, there's no official VCS :(
[23:50] <arraybolt3> I could check to see if there's anything in a changelog though perhaps.
[23:50] <tsimonq2> Just depends on the fix
[23:50] <tsimonq2> Good idea
[23:52] <arraybolt3> Nothing in the changelog that I can see (searched for both "blank" and "password").
[23:54] <arraybolt3> Also searched for "empty".


[00:35] <xubuntu191> Hello
[00:36] <xubuntu191> I am in need of help connecting a Canon printer to my Xubuntu 14.04 Vostro 1000 laptop
[01:18] <xubuntu191> Would be grateful for any help.
[01:38] <havenstance> xubuntu191, I would try CUPS, I've not ever used it so I cannot really provide much more help than that
[01:38] <havenstance> here is the link to the document that explains what it is and what it does.
[01:38] <havenstance> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/cups.html.en
[01:39] <xubuntu191> Thanks, havenstance. I am trying it now.
[01:42] <havenstance> np, if you need you might google the printer model and CUPS Config and you might find a full guide there somewhere, otherwise this suggests it might be pretty straight forward but again, I've never used it so I cannot confirm that
[01:48] <xubuntu191> Thanks,  havenstance. I tried the CUPS guide from the website you mentioned, and I do not think it got far, but I will test it.
[01:49] <xubuntu191> I was getting some "command not found" when trying to restart the CUPS server.
[01:49] <xubuntu191> Then I will try google search you recommended.
[01:50] <havenstance> okay, like I said I've never used it so I literally can't be of any help unfortunately
[01:52] <xubuntu191> FWIW, constant printing state is 'sending data to printer'
[02:57] <xubuntu01w> How to factory reset my bionic-beaver
[02:58] <xubuntu01w> anyone?
[02:58] <xubuntu01w> How to factory reset my bionic-beaver
[05:33] <Babloyi> no update to 18.04 yet from 16.04 :(
[06:51] <cpd> hello, when I switch from 60hz to 71.9hz in my display settings I get huge screen tearing issues. Any ideas?
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> cpd: uh?
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> cpd: do you have a CRT?
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> cpd: all regular LCDs are pretty much 60hz
[06:56] <cpd> nope its a lcd monitor, its refresh rate is 72hz but it shows at 71.9 in ubuntu for some reason
[06:57] <cpd> I never had this problem before when I was using 16.04 a couple years ago
[06:57] <cpd> same monitor
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> where/how do you experience tearing?
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> as xubuntu's compositor doesn't force vsync at all
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> so I'd expect some tearing with both 60 AND 72 hz
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> there's an option though to enable vsync
[07:00] <cpd> everywhere I get massive screen tearing, the mouse plays up too. When I set it to 60hz it's completely fine
[07:05] <cpd> I can't see any option to enable vsync, where do you see that?
[07:15] <pmjdebruijn> in the window manager options or something
[07:15] <pmjdebruijn> not sure how it's exactly called
[07:15] <pmjdebruijn> for 18.04 righjt
[07:15] <cpd> yep, if you are talking about display settings I have looked everywhere cant see it
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> no
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> window manager
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> not display
[07:17] <pmjdebruijn> http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/
[07:17] <pmjdebruijn> that's another option
[07:24] <cpd> pmjdebruijn: I have checked everywhere in window manager can't see anything about vsync.
[08:36] <xubuntu02w> hi
[08:37] <slickymasterWork> !hi | xubuntu02w
[08:40] <xubuntu02w> is xubuntu dropping support for i386 cpu?
[08:45] <xubuntu02w> Hi. is xubuntu dropping support for i386 cpu in the next releases?
[14:30] <xubuntu53w> hi
[15:11] <NerdTheThird> hi
[16:10] <xubuntu412> Hello
[16:10] <xubuntu412> I need help configuring my computer to use a Canon printer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[16:40] <flocculant> xubuntu412: I assume your's is the thread on the mailing list?
[16:42] <flocculant> xubuntu412: do you still have the downloaded file?
[16:55] <xubuntu412> flocculant: Yes! I have both scangearmp2-3.00-1-deb folders which are alleged to have drivers, and cnijfilter2-5.00-1-deb which alleges the same. Clicking on resources leads to two folders, one for 64 bit and one for 32 bit (Debian packages). Double clicking on the 32 bit opens the Ubuntu Software Center (native to the system). After working a few minutes, it says "installed".
[16:55] <flocculant> are you 32 or 64 bit?
[16:57] <alice_> hi
[16:57] <alice_> anyone here?
[16:57] <xubuntu412> Since it is such an old laptop, and someone graciously walked me through downgrading to 14.04 which was better suited to the laptops resources, I assume 32 bit. But I am happy to check (although I am not sure how at the exact moment).
[16:57] <flocculant> !ask | alice
[16:58] <flocculant> xubuntu412: open a terminal - run arch - what does it say
[16:58] <alice_> so first of all i'm noob who just installed debian 9 (nobody online on debian channels and ubuntu is based on debian so i thought i check here).. anyhow, my issue is that my network manager doesnt show any wireless networks. how to fix that?
[16:59] <xubuntu412> flocculant: i186 which I assume means 32
[17:00] <flocculant> alice_: ubuntu might be based on debian, and xubuntu might have bits of ubuntu as well - but you need to wait in the debian channels for help there - we don't have the same stuff exactly
[17:00] <flocculant> xubuntu412: ok - so the package is installed ok I assume?
[17:01] <flocculant> xubuntu412: if it has installed - and the printer is on - does Printer from the menu not show it?
[17:02] <xubuntu412> flocculant: I assume also, but spot me the command to investigae and we shall see.  ||BTW, should I finish my reply to Fred on the email list (answering his questions), or wait (I assume wait)?
[17:03] <flocculant> xubuntu412: try dpkg -l cnijfilter*
[17:03] <flocculant> hard to know what it calls itself withhout getting it mysefl
[17:04] <xubuntu412> flocculant: Settings>Printer >  shows the printer name.
[17:04] <flocculant> ok good - that's positive :p
[17:04] <flocculant> so try test print
[17:06]  * flocculant stopped fighting printers a long time ago and just buys hp ones that are known to work ...
[17:06] <xubuntu412> Have done so many times through trouble shooting. Under Printers > Help> "Troubleshoot", it lists status message as "sending data to printer".  Trying to print a test page does not work, status instantly shows "completed". I have enabled debugging, and a log is created. At the end there is a diagnostic output which can be saves (and sent via paste-bin or similar.
[17:06] <flocculant> oh right
[17:07] <flocculant> well I can have a quikc look at the debug log - pastebin it
[17:07] <xubuntu412> flocculant: I understand why. I shudder to think about connecting to my wifi or scanning or getting the fax to work otherwise. Pastebin at the debug log is in the works.
[17:07] <flocculant> not something I've had much to do with tbh - just wanted to make sure you'd got further than on the mailing list
[17:08] <flocculant> which you have :p
[17:11] <xubuntu412> flocculant: Thanks for going the mile extra than the mailing list. Paste from    xubuntu412 at Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:10:01 +0000 on paste.ubuntu.com
[17:12] <flocculant> xubuntu412: need the url of it :D
[17:12] <Axzercion> and not the URL to just paste ;)
[17:12] <flocculant> indeed :D
[17:14] <Axzercion> err oookaayy
[17:15] <flocculant> they'll be back I guess - same person on the user list
[17:15] <xubuntu335> flocculant: I got disconnected, and now I am back as xubuntu335. Sorry!
[17:15] <flocculant> np :)
[17:15] <flocculant> we need the url of the paste
[17:16] <xubuntu335> flocculant: Sorry, I forgot how to do that :   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CZSyqwThJ4/
[17:17] <Axzercion> found the first 1: D [30/Jul/2018:12:09:05 -0500] Print-Job client-error-document-format-not-supported: Unsupported format "application/vnd.cups-pdf-banner".
[17:20] <flocculant> xubuntu335: did you installl the other file as well? the scangear one?
[17:20] <xubuntu335> diogenes: Hello! You were very helpful to me in the past, you 'helped' me downgrade to 14.04 which was better suited to my elderly laptop.
[17:20] <xubuntu335> flocculant: No.
[17:21] <diogenes_> xubuntu335, i'm happy if you are happy :)
[17:22] <flocculant> xubuntu335: can you try printing something that isn't a pdf?
[17:22] <flocculant> not sure how to help here tbh
[17:22] <xubuntu335> diogenes: I have been ecstatically happy with my laptop, till trying to get a Canon printer to work. flocculant is gracefully helping.
[17:23] <xubuntu335> flocculant: will print an rtf right now.
[17:24] <Axzercion> could you just start with a normal text file? :)
[17:25] <xubuntu335> flocculant: Error: Could not start printer. Please check your printer configuration. I can tell by my extraordinary powers of observation that that is not much help.
[17:27] <flocculant> let Axzercion help you - they appear to have more insight than me
[17:28] <Axzercion> I don't have that much experience with canon printers :)
[17:28] <flocculant> same ...
[17:28] <flocculant> well - the experience I had led to me getting an HP one ;)
[17:29] <Axzercion> hahaha same :D
[17:30] <xubuntu335> Too bad. diogenes seemed to know all when he helped me last. So, do I go back to the mailing list and Fred Roller? I fear I am tryin to make a silk purse out of a windows sow's ear.
[17:32] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I assume you are gently offering to help someone else with something else.
[17:32] <Axzercion> I'm using my excellent googling skills to find something about the errors I saw in your pastebin :)
[17:32] <xubuntu09i> hey
[17:33] <knome> hello
[17:33] <xubuntu09i> how are you
[17:33] <knome> good. do you have a support question?
[17:33] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Thank you. I am sure S. Brin is tingling as we speak.
[17:34] <xubuntu09i> how to fix tearing with intel hd? window manager vsync enabled + xorg tear free config
[17:35] <Axzercion> the last line in your pastebin results in this thread on the ubuntu forums: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2054048, but yours being the canon and not the epson
[17:35] <Axzercion> his solution was just to simply reinstall cups :)
[17:36] <flocculant> I did see a few like that - from *buntu, fedora, centos to name some
[17:36] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I believe you, not having read past the first 200 lines.
[17:36] <flocculant> also some mention of reconfiguring cups
[17:37] <knome> xubuntu09i, which intel HD?
[17:37] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Fine with me. Unfortunately, I need you to lead the way.
[17:37] <xubuntu09i> 2nd gen intel hd 3000 (yup pretty old)
[17:38] <Axzercion> sudo apt-get --reinstall install cups
[17:39] <Axzercion> that should reinstall cups :)
[17:40] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: working . . .
[17:40] <knome> xubuntu09i, tearfree works with my newer intel HD, no idea if the older hardware is the issue or sth else...
[17:41] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Done. Should I try to print an .rtf file? Restart the printer?
[17:41] <Axzercion> please restart the printer and just open mousepad, type some text and just print that :)
[17:42] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: On it. BTW, says 1 reinstalled.
[17:42] <Axzercion> yep :)
[17:46] <Axzercion> so any luck xubuntu335 ?
[17:46] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Nothing happens. Get printer dialog, and print preview. But no printer action. Mebbe something wrong with my printer? One never knows.
[17:47] <diogenes_> xubuntu335, installed the appropriate driver for it?
[17:48] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Print queue shows most icons greyed out, nothing in list, only refresh and cancel.
[17:48] <Axzercion> diogenes_, maybe you can make something out of this pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CZSyqwThJ4/ it's from a previous printjob
[17:50] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I got a folder downloaded from Canon (if I remember), after unpacking the archive is:  scangearmp2-3.00-1-deb. Within, it has two folders, "Resources", "Packages" and the "install.sh". Clicking on resources leads to two folders, one for 64 bit and one for 32 bit (Debian packages). Double clicking on the 32 bit opens the Ubuntu Software Center (native to the system). After working a few minutes, it says "installed".
[17:51] <Axzercion> it's better to use the install.sh script to install everything for you
[17:51] <xubuntu335> Axzzercion: Lend me a command and maybe I can check?
[17:51] <flocculant> xubuntu335: do this > open a terminal where the install script is and run sudo ./install.sh
[17:51] <flocculant> Axzercion: :)
[17:51] <Axzercion> what flocculant says :D
[17:52] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: AFK for ten minutes. Be back.
[17:52] <Axzercion> ok
[18:03] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I am back, but please forgive the ignorance. How do I open a terminal emulator "where the install script is"? I can locate the Install shell.sh, right click? Sorry!
[18:04] <Axzercion> right-click somewhere in the file manager, there should be a Open in Terminal
[18:04] <Axzercion> or rather open terminal here
[18:05] <Axzercion> and that will open a terminal with the path already set to the current directory :)
[18:06] <Axzercion> after that it's just sudo ./install.sh
[18:14] <Axzercion> soo... is it running?
[18:16] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Sorry for the delay, one of the files was "in the wrong place". Running now.
[18:22] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Still problems "An error occurred. A necessary package could not be found in the proper location" . Opened terminal at: scangearmp2-source-3.00-1/scripts/install_deb --it says "install.sh" shell script.
[18:23] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Should I try to find another version of the scangear linux driver for my printer?
[18:25] <Axzercion> actually the folder you should be in is where the install.sh file is located
[18:25] <Axzercion> so most likely something like ~/Downloads/scangearmp2-3.00-1-deb/
[18:26] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: install.sh is the only file visible.
[18:26] <Axzercion> and then you have 2 folders as well correct?
[18:28] <Axzercion> so the contents would be: a folder named packages, a folder named resources and a file named install.sh
[18:28] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Three folders: Install_Deb Install_rpm and resources. I can delete the install_rpm.
[18:28] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Install.sh is in Deb_Install .
[18:29] <Axzercion> ok what other folders are there in the Deb_Install folder?
[18:29] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: None showing.
[18:29] <Axzercion> then there's the problem :) no install files to use for the script haha
[18:30] <Axzercion> https://www.canonupdates.com/canon-pixma-mg7500-series-drivers/#Fourth
[18:30] <Axzercion> that should list you a whole bunch of files. the ones you're interested in are postfixed with (debian Packagearchive)
[18:31] <Axzercion> both the IJ Printer Driver and ScanGear MP for Linux packages
[18:32] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: downloading "IJ Printer Driver for Linux (debian Packagearchive)"
[18:32] <Axzercion> i'd start with the IJ Printer Driver yeah :)
[18:32] <Axzercion> brb, going to get something to eat. i'll be back in 10. Try to install these using their install.sh files if you can
[18:34] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Trying to install via terminal, two folders + install.sh
[18:36] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: *&^% thing wants me to register the printer.
[18:37] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Wants me to register via the terminal.
[18:41] <Axzercion> should be okay
[18:41] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I was confused. I thought it was registering with Canon. I went through the process and selected the printer as default. Says  "nstallation has been completed". Time to print form mousepad?
[18:41] <Axzercion> no, you still need to install the other package too :)
[18:43] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: other package? rpm? Please advise.
[18:43] <Axzercion> the scangear package
[18:43] <Axzercion> ScanGear MP for Linux (debian Packagearchive)
[18:45] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: open terminal where I have "scangearmp2-source-3.00-1", five folders and rpm spec file?
[18:46] <Axzercion> thats not the package I see before me
[18:46] <Axzercion> I only see 2 folders in that archive and a install.sh script
[18:46] <Axzercion> also you downloaded the source package
[18:47] <Axzercion> not the debian archive one
[18:48] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I got too many folders, let me find the one you indicate.
[18:48] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: cnijfilter2-5.00-1-deb/  two folders.
[18:48] <Axzercion> not that one :)
[18:49] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: scangearmp2-3.00-1-deb? Two folders and install.sh
[18:49] <Axzercion> thats the one
[18:51] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: sudo ./install.sh ?
[18:51] <Axzercion> yep
[18:54] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: An error occurred. A necessary package could not be found in the proper location. I am gonna try to dowload from your link again.
[18:55] <Axzercion> sounds like a plan (y)
[18:57] <xubuntu335> Axzercioin: scanGear MP for Linux (debian Packagearchive)  or  IJ Printer Driver for Linux (debian Packagearchive) ?
[18:57] <Axzercion> the first
[18:57] <Axzercion> you already installed the second
[19:00] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Unpacked, it looks like a single file. scangearmp2-3.00-1-deb.tar-1
[19:01] <Axzercion> hasn't unpacked properly then. It's still in the archive
[19:01] <Axzercion> did you download it to your machine?
[19:01] <Axzercion> or did you just open it immediately from your browser?
[19:02] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: I think I extracted it first. I will try to download as an archive and NOT unpack.
[19:04] <xubuntu36w> I'm having trouble keeping a network share permanently mounted.  I can remount it in Thunar using a shortcut I created, but I MUST do that everytime I come out of standby
[19:06] <xubuntu36w> Say I'm watching a movie using the network share.  I pause, put laptop in standby.  When I return, I want to be able to resume the movie.
[19:06] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Sorry for the confusion. Downloaded "ScanGear MP for Linux (debian Packagearchive)". Appears to be a TAR archive.
[19:06] <xubuntu36w> I must first open Thunar and then browse to the drive.  Only then can I resume the movie.
[19:07] <Axzercion> xubuntu335, either way, it should unpack to 2 folders and a install.sh file like it does on my machine :)
[19:07] <xubuntu335> Azxercion: named scangearmp2-3.00-1-deb.tar-1 . I am gonna unpack now.
[19:10] <Axzercion> okay :)
[19:10] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: "Archive type not supported"
[19:10] <Axzercion> oh great. can you rename the file to end with .tar?
[19:12] <xubuntu36w> i know how to permanently mount a drive using fstab but I don't think the network is up when fstab gets loaded so I don't think that's the way to do it
[19:12] <Axzercion> xubuntu36w, why not use gigolo?
[19:13] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: OK! Two folders and install.sh. Trying to open terminal in same file manager "place" as the two folders + shows with the install command you sent.
[19:13] <xubuntu36w> is that what gigolo does?  I did some googling and most of the tutorials are pretty old.  I figured things would be simpler since I can get to the drive in Thunnar
[19:14] <Axzercion> xubuntu36w, gigolo just mounts whatever you tell it to mount, but in this case it's the auto-connect that might be interesting to you
[19:14] <xubuntu36w> I'll check it out.  Thanks!
[19:15] <Axzercion> I'm not 100% sure how it handles the stand-by when running a movie, but it should at least re-mount the share after a standby
[19:15] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Installation completed. That seems easy now!
[19:15] <Axzercion> ok, then now it's time to turn the printer off and on again and THEN try to print something from mousepad :)
[19:16] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: You read my mind.
[19:16] <flocculant> xubuntu36w: I use nfs
[19:16] <flocculant> xubuntu36w: if I have a vid playing and suspend - then wake up - I just hit play, and it plays
[19:17] <xubuntu36w> flocculant:  that's exactly what I want.  nfs easily configured?
[19:18] <flocculant> can't remember tbh - I did it about 5 years ago and just copy what I need :p
[19:18] <flocculant> wasn't hard iirc
[19:18] <Axzercion> server just needs to support it :)
[19:18] <flocculant> xubuntu36w: but - it's a Linux thing - not sure it works if ntfs etc
[19:19] <xubuntu36w> hmmm.  mint 17.3
[19:19] <xubuntu36w> should be good.
[19:19] <flocculant> the partitions are all linux type?
[19:19] <flocculant> and mint support should be a deal for mint ;)
[19:20] <flocculant> oh boo - I suspended in the middle of an installation test ... sigh
[19:20] <Axzercion> hahaha
[19:20] <xubuntu36w> yup.  It's just the 2nd drive on my mint PC.  I store all my media on it and want to have simple access from my laptop
[19:20] <flocculant> too many windows hidden lol
[19:21] <flocculant> xubuntu36w: well as long as it's ok with nfs then should be fine
[19:21] <xubuntu36w> thanks, got some thngs to try after lunch.
[19:21] <flocculant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo - I don't portmap
[19:23] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Printer is obviously trying to print (mechanical sounds, printer door opens, appears not to be grabbing paper). Needs restart (according to screen on printer). Will investigate and get back right now.
[19:23] <Axzercion> alright man :)
[19:23] <Axzercion> at least it's doing something now hahaha
[19:23] <flocculant> \o/
[19:23] <Axzercion> omnomnom paper :)
[19:24] <flocculant> xubuntu335: assuming all goes ok - please return to the mailing list to sya what you did to fix it - doesn't leave people wondering and also leaves the fix behind
[19:31] <Axzercion> i've got to get some sleep, but let me know if it all works xubuntu335. I'll be back tomorrow around the same time if it didn't :)
[19:32] <xubuntu335> Axzercion: Now says it is out of ink, which is possible, but I doubt it. Thanks for everything. Now I gotta eat and do all the things I was putting off while working with you. When I get some ink, I will be back to try the other printer functions, connecting to wi-fi and getting fax to work is a fools errand. Thanks once more.
[19:58] <xubuntu56w> Where is the irc support for Lubuntu ? Is it removed ?
[19:58] <knome> in #lubuntu
[19:59]  * genii wonders if it's currently +r
[19:59] <xubuntu56w> How can i get there from here ?
[20:00] <genii> /join #lubuntu
[20:00] <xubuntu56w> Thank you.
[20:01] <diogenes_> or teleport like in quake 3 :)
[20:52] <daffy1234> Hi. I want to convert my ext4 to btrfs, but btrfs-convert says "Command not found". apt says btrfs-progs and btrfs-tools are at their newest versions.
[20:52] <daffy1234> I'm on 18.04
[20:53] <daffy1234> Oh I should mention I ran this on a live usb
[20:56] <knome> daffy1234, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854489 =
[20:56] <knome> that looks like the source reason why it's missing


[06:44] <Kilos> o/
[06:46] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:47] <Kilos> yoohooo MooDoo
[06:47] <MooDoo> :)
[16:34] <Na3iL> o/
[16:43] <Kilos> o/
[16:44] <Na3iL> Kilos, how are you :D
[16:45] <Kilos> ok ty Na3iL and you?
[16:45] <Na3iL> fine as well, ty
[17:07] <ahoneybun> heyo
[19:54] <wxl> can someone remind me of the process a non-ubuntu member needs to go through to get access to edit the wiki?
[20:01] <svij> wxl: I think there's a group called ubuntu-wiki-editors (or sth similar)
[20:02] <wxl> svij: isn't that just for help.ubuntu.com/community?>
[20:03] <wxl> nevermind
[20:03] <wxl> got it
[20:03] <wxl> thx
[20:03] <svij> was it correct?
[20:03] <wxl> yes
[20:04] <svij> a good to know
[20:48] <ahoneybun> mhall119:  ping
[20:48] <mhall119> ahoneybun: pong
[20:48] <ahoneybun> know anyone in #ubuntu-installer?
[20:49] <mhall119> nope, but if you're talking about ubiquity then someone in #ubuntu-desktop might be able to help
[20:49] <ahoneybun> well our Kubuntu slideshow is broken
[20:50] <ahoneybun> I got the slideshow test script to work now just working on the ubiquity package now
[20:50] <ahoneybun> trying to
[20:50] <ahoneybun> I grabbed the source and running debuild with errors
[20:52] <ahoneybun> we need to fix this with something before the FF
[20:55] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yeah, try #ubuntu-desktop, though you might have better luck on Monday morning
[20:56] <ahoneybun> darn


[06:29] <sid> @schedule New_York
[06:29] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 27 Mar 04:00: MOTU | 27 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 28 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 18:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team
[07:25] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[07:25] <BFTD> hi
[10:03] <manchicken> I R Here
[10:04] <Riddell> oh hi
[10:05] <Riddell> JohnFlux?
[10:05] <JohnFlux> hey
[10:06] <Riddell> Noel Torres about?
[10:07] <Riddell> has everyone been contacted by canonical?
[10:07] <JohnFlux> I haven't
[10:08] <Riddell> JohnFlux: they've probably been trying your kdemail.net address
[10:08] <envite> I'm Noel Torres
[10:08] <kwwii> hi
[10:08] <Noel_Torres> I'm usually Envite in chats, mails, svn, ...
[10:08] <Riddell> JohnFlux: please e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and say who you are and ask for details for the travel agent
[10:08] <JohnFlux> Riddell: ah, and the servers aren't working that well
[10:08] <allee> Riddell: yes,  I've confirmed the flight  with Claire already
[10:09] <Riddell> JohnFlux: I'm going by train, if you want to get the same trains let me know
[10:09] <Riddell> manchicken: your travel sorted?
[10:09] <Riddell> hi Noel_Torres, pleased to meet you
[10:09] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: are you coming to UDS and/or UES?
[10:09] <Noel_Torres> No, i'll not
[10:10] <manchicken> I'm waiting for Canonical's travel folks to get back to me.  They asked me to confirm my travel dates, I did, haven't heard from them since.
[10:10] <Noel_Torres> somebody must keep the fort :)
[10:10] <Noel_Torres> pleased to meet you too
[10:10] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, so Cristo is coming and Agustn right?
[10:10] <Noel_Torres> Yes, but probably they will be three
[10:10] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: do you know who else?
[10:11] <Noel_Torres> Cristo, Agustn and Gonzalo Aller
[10:11] <manchicken> I doubt that they sent anything, but there was a slight snafu on my mail account that could have missed it, but it was a very small window.
[10:11] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, do you know if they're all staying for the whole thing?
[10:12] <Riddell> manchicken: just e-mail them in a day or two if you don't hear back
[10:12] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:12] <Noel_Torres> About staying I don't know, about (very) interested in assist, no
[10:13] <allee> manchicken: I've confirmed this morning ~ 1.00 and Claire replied okay-thx two hours later
[10:13] <allee> 11.00 that is
[10:13] <Noel_Torres> Agustin and Gonzalo wants to assist to education and community days, and Cristo to coding days
[10:13] <Noel_Torres> mostly
[10:14] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, tell them to make sure it's clear to Claire Newman who is staying for which days
[10:14] <allee> did anyone wake up Hobbsee?
[10:14] <Riddell> allee: I phoned, got an answerphone
[10:14] <Noel_Torres> I'll tell them
[10:14] <Riddell> next thing is you should all register to be at the meeting on launchpad https://code.beta.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend
[10:14] <allee> :)
[10:14] <manchicken> allee: Are you going through their travel folks?
[10:15] <Riddell> or rather https://code.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/+attend
[10:15] <allee> manchicken: yes,  dionne@eyas
[10:16] <kwwii> Riddell: do I need to add myself to that page too?
[10:17] <Riddell> kwwii: yes
[10:17] <Riddell> from  2007-05-06  to  2007-05-11
[10:18] <kwwii> Riddell: thnx
[10:18] <Riddell> is everyone clear that this isn't a conference?  it's a summit to write specs for the next 6 months based on small group sessions
[10:18] <manchicken> Ooh, I don't now the times....
[10:18] <Noel_Torres> We know
[10:18] <Riddell> manchicken: just the date is enough
[10:18] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:19] <manchicken> so 5/6 through 5/11?
[10:19] <allee> manchicken: see on the right hand side.  but looks like they are not used on the left hand side ;)
[10:19] <Riddell> manchicken: 21:17 < Riddell> from  2007-05-06  to  2007-05-11
[10:19] <manchicken> Brewtiful.
[10:20] <manchicken> Ooh, will there be beer or will I have to provide my own?
[10:20] <Riddell> all meals are paid for
[10:20] <manchicken> I can do either, I just need to know how much a tasty beer is over there.
[10:20] <Riddell> sometimes conferences we have dinner in the hotel, some out
[10:20] <manchicken> ah.
[10:20] <Riddell> don't know which will happen this time
[10:20] <JohnFlux> Riddell: shall I speak to Claire about trying to share a room with my wife there?
[10:20] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[10:21] <JohnFlux> ah ha!
[10:21] <kwwii> manchicken: beer is resonable but you have to pay for it ;-)
[10:21] <JohnFlux> you just said it wasn't a conference :P
[10:21] <Riddell> manchicken: if we eat out then you get a daily allowance for dinner.  if you want you can eat cheap porridge and spend the rest on beer
[10:22] <manchicken> When I did the Perl Hackathon there was beer provided, but they certainly accepted contributions :)
[10:22] <allee> lol
[10:22] <manchicken> Ah.  Righto.
[10:22] <allee> Hobbsee: morning!
[10:22] <manchicken> I like cheap porridge as long as there's tasty beer.
[10:22] <manchicken> :)
[10:22] <manchicken> Grain carbos and beer.  THAT, my friends, is how to get through college.
[10:22] <manchicken> (even though I never got through)
[10:22] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:23] <manchicken> kwwii: BTW, is it my imagination or did you redo the login screen for feisty?
[10:23] <Riddell> now the agenda
[10:23] <Riddell> I'm not sure why but they don't seem to be using launchpad for registering specs this time
[10:23] <kwwii> manchicken: not since I changed it the first time
[10:23] <Riddell> but my list so far is...
[10:23] <Riddell> Adept User Notifications
[10:23] <Riddell> Adept Cdrom Upgrades
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Accessibilty Keyboard
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Kiosktool
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Feisty+1 KDE 4 Plan
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu System Settings for KDE 4
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Guidance for KDE 4
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Restricted Manager
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Feisty+1 Adept Plan
[10:23] <Riddell> Edubuntu KDE
[10:23] <Riddell> Kubuntu Website
[10:23] <Riddell> any suggestions or questions about those?
[10:24] <Noel_Torres> yes
[10:24] <Hobbsee> heya!
[10:24] <Hobbsee> sorry for lateness
[10:24] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[10:24] <Noel_Torres> we're using RT as our bugs submitting and managing system
[10:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is your travel sorted?
[10:24] <kwwii> Riddell: there will probably be one for new artwork for derivatives as well
[10:24] <Noel_Torres> and we'll have a very big user base
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not yet.  in discussions with the travel agent
[10:24] <Hobbsee> had to wait to see if elkbuntu was getting sponsored yet
[10:24] <Riddell> kwwii: you should add it to https://wiki.canonical.com/UDS-Sevilla/Agenda
[10:25] <Noel_Torres> so we want to find the way of joining our system with official ubuntu/kubuntu bugtracking systems
[10:25] <kwwii> Riddell: will do...wanted to talk to Mark about that first though
[10:25] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: I'm sure there is, I'll add that to the agenda, it'll need a launchpad person there
[10:25] <Noel_Torres> and we want to talk about kwifimanager, ltsp, monitoring, sudo&kdesudo and kmenu
[10:26] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: I can add a general meduxa and Kubuntu session too
[10:26] <Noel_Torres> and by last thing (I'm sorry but i have a hardcopy by Agustin)
[10:26] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: it's all good
[10:27] <Noel_Torres> we're using MediaWiki for generating content and we want to submit to Ubuntu
[10:27] <allee> oh, https://wiki.canonical.com/UDS-Sevilla/Agenda is password protected
[10:27] <Noel_Torres> mainly kubuntu user manuals
[10:27] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I don't have access to that page you said
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think i'm at Ubucon the day before, actually
[10:27] <Riddell> JohnFlux: no, it's top secret
[10:27] <Riddell> JohnFlux: I'm not sure why, but that's the way they're doing it
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I did have an email from claire - I had just ignored it :-D
[10:28] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, I'll add a session for that too
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you sure that all meals are paid for?  apparently for MTV that didnt happen.  was that canonical employees only?
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I've replied back and told her about the accomodation etc
[10:28] <Riddell> JohnFlux: tsk
[10:28] <Noel_Torres> Riddell: Ok, I'll tell Agustin and the others about that
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: at google?
[10:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at MTV lunch was free on google and dinner you paid for and claimed back from your daily allowance from canonical
[10:28] <manchicken> Sorry, having to deal with a car problem, I'm trying to pay attention :)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: yes
[10:28] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: the food was _at_ google for free
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh.  okay
[10:29] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: i'd heard otherwise
[10:29] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: and you got like $20 a day for evening food
[10:29] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: neat
[10:29] <JohnFlux> I gained like 10 KG there!
[10:29] <JohnFlux> too much food!
[10:29] <Noel_Torres> May I say one more thing?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hehe.  sounds good - as i need to
[10:29] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: please do
[10:30] <JohnFlux> Riddell: is the train more expensive than to fly?
[10:30] <Noel_Torres> Ok, thanks. We're starting a community for three Canary Islands's Linux distributions
[10:30] <Hobbsee> ah, so more people have been thinking of taking the train
[10:30] <Riddell> JohnFlux: sometimes, although canonical should pay
[10:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't suggest you do :)
[10:30] <Noel_Torres> it's called HeXprides (www.hexperides.org)
[10:30] <allee> Hobbsee: you too?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why?
[10:30] <JohnFlux> Riddell: yeah but there's the woman
[10:30] <Hobbsee> allee: thinking about it
[10:31] <Noel_Torres> one of the distros (meduxa) is kubuntu based, and other one is Ubuntu based
[10:31] <JohnFlux> Riddell: unless we put here in the luggage or something
[10:31] <Noel_Torres> so we'll have a big community (we at least hope so)
[10:31] <allee> Hobbsee: train? From Australia?  Interesting!
[10:31] <Riddell> JohnFlux: fair point.  there's also the planet of course
[10:31] <JohnFlux> meh
[10:31] <JohnFlux> the planes fly to carry goods
[10:31] <Noel_Torres> and we want to determine the best way for general (K)ubuntu and HeXprides communities to interact
[10:32] <JohnFlux> people don't weigh much
[10:32] <Hobbsee> allee: heh.  no, only from madrid
[10:32] <JohnFlux> that's why easyjet etc offer such low fares
[10:32] <JohnFlux> the money from people doesn't even cover the salaries
[10:32] <JohnFlux> all the money is from cargo shipping
[10:33] <JohnFlux> if nobody at all flew, easyjet etc would still fly as many planes
[10:33] <JohnFlux> :-)
[10:33] <JohnFlux> or something
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are the tentative plans for kde 4 and feisty+1?
[10:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, that's what we'll be discussing in that session :)
[10:35] <Riddell> Noel_Torres: ok, I've put that down too
[10:35] <allee> Hobbsee: fwiw: everything we plan to do with KDE 3 has to be done with an eye on how to do it in KDE 4
[10:35] <Hobbsee> allee: true
[10:35] <Noel_Torres> Riddell: ok, thanks
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i realise that.  i was more wantign to know if we'd be aiming for kde4 in this release or not
[10:36] <kwwii> SUSE is planning a release around the same time, or? if so, I would bet that they release with kde4 (even if they shop a kde3 as well)
[10:36] <allee> Hobbsee: didn't read Riddels blog?
[10:36] <kwwii> s/shop/ship
[10:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: probably not, KDE 4 release is after Kubuntu release
[10:36] <Hobbsee> allee: it's on planet, adn it's not showing as unread, so i would have
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, OK
[10:37] <JohnFlux> you should probably allow for kde4 to be late by a few months
[10:37] <Riddell> that too
[10:37] <JohnFlux> it will quite probably be on time etc
[10:37] <Riddell> any other comments on the items I've scheduled?  or suggestions for others?
[10:37] <JohnFlux> but you can't set a kubuntu release date on it
[10:37] <kwwii> we should just make sure that there is good docu on how to install kde4 (even if it is not done it will be of interest for many)
[10:38] <allee> Riddell: bluetooth is a mess.  Can be made better in feisty+1
[10:38] <Riddell> allee: would be nice
[10:38] <Riddell> I'll put that down
[10:39] <Riddell> groovy, seems we're done
[10:39] <Riddell> thanks all, see you en espanol
[10:39] <Riddell> any last questions?
[10:40] <manchicken> Yeah...
[10:40] <manchicken> Got a tow truck I could borrow?
[10:40] <Noel_Torres> i hope that's all
[10:40] <Riddell> thanks for coming Noel_Torres
[10:40] <allee> yeah, nothing from my side
[10:40] <Riddell> manchicken: can't say I do
[10:40] <manchicken> That's a shame.
[10:40] <Riddell> oh yes, everyone has to be up by 09:00
[10:40] <Noel_Torres> don't worry, it has been a pleasure
[10:41] <Riddell> most important rule that
[10:41] <JohnFlux> I can do 9:00 easy
[10:41] <JohnFlux> that's like 11pm spainish time
[10:41] <JohnFlux> 11am
[10:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:41] <allee> Hobbsee: who's elkbuntu?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: only asking why taking the train was bad - i dont think you answered me
[10:42] <manchicken> I can do 0900 as long as the timezone change doesn't murder me.
[10:42] <kwwii> Hobbsee: a kiwi :p
[10:42] <Hobbsee> allee: another aussie ubuntu girl - i'm rooming/travelling with her with her
[10:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nope, she's not a kiwi :P
[10:42] <lifeless> morning folk
[10:42] <JohnFlux> hmm, i can't find an airline that flys to San Pablo :-)
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hiya lifeless
[10:42] <lifeless> *I'm* a kiwi :)
[10:42] <kwwii> Hobbsee: oops, an aussie
[10:42] <JohnFlux> lifeless: heh, and lifeless
[10:47] <ajmitch> morning lifeless :)
[10:49] <manchicken> What clever name are we going to use for feisty+1?
[10:50] <Noel_Torres> guppy grog ?
[10:50] <kwwii> grumpy groundhog (that's me)
[10:50] <manchicken> Goofy Goat?
[10:50] <kwwii> as my birthday is on groundhogs day
[10:50] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:50] <Mithrandir> it'll probably be two names, with the first one being an adjective and the other a noun. :-P
[10:50] <manchicken> That is quite clever.
[10:50] <manchicken> heh
[10:50] <kwwii> and I bet after 3 months working for the company he'll name the next product after me
[10:51] <ajmitch> grumpy is already taken
[10:51] <manchicken> heh
[10:52] <kwwii> Riddell: as far as the website, we are discussing the new cms, making a nice K layout and transferring the existing info, or?
[10:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: because you live on an island surrounded by water
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *grin*
[10:53] <ajmitch> Riddell: that's a continent. I live on an island
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i only meant from madrid :P
[10:53] <Riddell> JohnFlux: the travel agent does that for you
[10:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: from madrid is fine
[10:53] <Riddell> ajmitch: looks like an archipeligo to me, but only because that's a cool word to say
[10:53] <kwwii> lol
[10:53] <JohnFlux> Riddell: the Eyas one?
[10:54] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: didnt you know about the train lines that go from australia, all the way into asia, and the ones that go around the rest of the wolrd?
[10:54] <JohnFlux> Riddell: there website doesn't even work in firefox
[10:54] <JohnFlux> or at least, I couldn't work it out at all
[10:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh, over those big bridges?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> JohnFlux: just email them.  it's all flash enabled
[10:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep
[10:54] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I did take the train from Oslo to Hong Kong once, so you can nearly do that. :-)
[10:54] <Riddell> JohnFlux: why do you need their website?  just e-mail them
[10:54] <JohnFlux> Hobbsee: yeah I have flash installed
[10:54] <JohnFlux> Riddell: :/
[10:54] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah, I've ridden the one from California to Tokyo several times ;)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:54] <Riddell> Mithrandir: must have been a fun 6 weeks :)
[10:55] <Mithrandir> Riddell: more like three and a half, but yes.
[10:56] <kwwii> the trip is a vacation in itself
[10:57] <ajmitch> kwwii: it's long enough for me to fly to spain
[10:57] <Mithrandir> kwwii: that was kinda the point.
[10:57] <kwwii> Mithrandir: sounds like fun, actually
[10:58] <manchicken> I wonder how long the flight to Sevilla will actually be.
[10:58] <ajmitch> 30+ hours :)
[10:58] <Noel_Torres> well, I'm going bed
[10:58] <Noel_Torres> goodby all!
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep.  it's nasty
[10:59] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: are you thinking of taking the train from madrid?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thinking about it, yeah
[11:00] <ajmitch> brave
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why so?
[11:00] <ajmitch> oh, how much spanish can you read/speak? :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> not a word
[11:01] <Hobbsee> (yet)
[11:02] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:02] <ajmitch> back later
[11:05] <JohnFlux> Riddell: if you go by train, will you still do that via eyas?
[11:06] <Riddell> JohnFlux: no, I didn't
[11:06] <Riddell> although I believe you can
[11:06] <JohnFlux> Riddell: you've already booked?
[11:06] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[11:06] <JohnFlux> Riddell: How much did it cost?
[11:06] <Riddell> dunno, someone else did it
[11:49] <[ade] > missed it entirely, i suppose
[11:49] <Riddell> hi [ade]
[11:49] <Riddell> [ade] : -> #kubuntu-devel