[03:47] <ace_suares> quiet here
[03:52] <Ahmuck_> .
[03:56] <ace_suares> hi
[03:57] <ace_suares> gotta go sleep soon. But I just upgrade a running server from 6.06 to 8.04 about 5000 miles/9000 km away.
[03:57] <ace_suares> That was fun. Amazing that these people can make such software.
[04:03] <ace_suares> nighty
[04:03] <dgroos> hasta pasta
[04:08] <Ahmuck> hi dgroos
[04:08] <dgroos> Howdy Ahmuck
[04:11] <dgroos> Ahmuck: here's a sample cmap on the web.  It's not a concept map though, just a web: https://cmap.mpls.k12.mn.us/servlet/SBReadResourceServlet?rid=1GB1J213P-BTSM22-H25Q&partName=htmltext
[04:13] <dgroos> oh yea, don't pay attention to the security warnings--I still need to buy and install a certificate from GoDaddy for the site...
[04:15] <Ahmuck> heh
[04:18] <dgroos> And here's a more informative one, presenting some of the concepts of the Growing Communities of Scientist project I'm working on.  https://cmap.mpls.k12.mn.us/servlet/SBReadResourceServlet?rid=1168132868165_1388154678_2906&partName=htmltext
[04:19] <dgroos> between my students, other teachers and my self, we've got over a thousand of these things.  You can also annotate bubbles with links, making this a great tool to explain Edubuntu.
[04:20] <Ahmuck> freemind?
[04:30] <dgroos> Lots of lines--nice tree look.  More limited layout options and I couldn't figure out how to write the connecting phrases between bubbles which elevates a web or mind-map to a concept map.
[04:31] <dgroos> Also, I don't think they do the simultaneous editing of maps which is powerful.
[04:31] <dgroos> Have you worked with it?
[04:34] <Ahmuck> freemind?  yes
[04:35] <dgroos> what have you used it for?
[04:42] <Ahmuck> organizing my thoughts
[04:44] <dgroos> I like a lot that it is open source.  Is there a server on the web for them so that they can be directly published on the web?
[04:44] <dgroos> Hi Svenstaro
[04:44] <Svenstaro> Hiho
[04:53] <Ahmuck> hiyo Svenstaro
[04:53] <Ahmuck> i'm glad to see you
[04:54] <Svenstaro> I should be on IRC more regularly I guess
[04:54] <Ahmuck> interestedin some of the more documentation/wiki stuff?
[04:55] <Svenstaro> Actually, no. Today I'm trying to work down my list of tasks as well as I can despite my ADHD and see how far I can come. The next-next task on my list is fixing up Sabayon.
[04:56] <dgroos> Ah! working on Sabayon-- I like to hear that one...
[04:57] <Ahmuck> u might want to hook up with sbalneav or stgraber then.  i don't know which.  i know they are actively working on it
[04:58] <dgroos> Mainly sbalneav, I beleav
[04:58] <Svenstaro> That'd be sbalneav. And yes, I know. I'll try to take the bug report and don't do stuff myself.
[04:59] <Svenstaro> But still, how hard can it be to launch an Xnest, do some stuff in it, end the xnest and put the changes into the students accounts?
[04:59] <dgroos> :)
[05:00] <dgroos> Nestor explained some of the difficulties involved, sounded like a can of worms.
[05:05] <Svenstaro> There are no problem that a bit of bash hacking couldn't solve :)
[05:08] <Svenstaro> Mhm time for breakfast
[05:08] <dgroos> Time for bed :)  Night.
[05:08] <Svenstaro> Time for bedfast. Night
[07:39] <Ahmuck> anybody here seen landscape?
[07:39] <nubae> yup
[07:41] <Ahmuck> hows that compare to ltsp?
[07:41] <Ahmuck> hi nubae
[07:41] <Ahmuck> thought you had dropped off the earth
[07:41] <Ahmuck> :)
[07:43] <nubae> why's that? :-)
[07:52] <Svenstar0> Landscape seems to be what would be needed to manage many PCs at once (not thin clients)
[07:52] <Svenstar0> Seems like a good solution for what it does.
[07:54] <Ahmuck> this might be a better solution than ltsp?
[07:54] <Ahmuck> LDAP, NFS, and Landscape?
[07:54] <Ahmuck> though it appears to be a "software as a service" which i hate those type of situations
[07:55] <Svenstar0> It's a completely different solution to the problem. It assumes harddisks on the clients which isn't a bad thing to begin with considering all the problems involved with high network bandwidth and multimedia application on LTSP but it doesn't address thin clients per-se.
[10:41] <nubae> highvoltage pint
[10:41] <nubae> ping even
[10:48] <highvoltage> nubae: pont and pong
[11:11] <nubae> the package ltsp-cluster-lbagent seems broken in karmic
[11:11] <nubae> have u tested it?
[11:12] <nubae> at least, I can't install it...  and stops anything else from being upgraded
[11:24] <highvoltage> nubae: what happens?
[11:30] <nubae> * Starting ltsp-cluster-lbagent...                                      [fail]
[11:30] <nubae> invoke-rc.d: initscript ltsp-cluster-lbagent, action "start" failed.
[11:30] <nubae> dpkg: error processing ltsp-cluster-lbagent (--configure):
[11:40] <ogra> is that in a chroot ?
[11:45] <nubae> nope
[11:45] <nubae> in a vz
[11:47] <ogra> so daemons can run regulary and you have a proc filesystem and udev runs etc etc
[11:48] <nubae> yup
[12:08] <nubae> so... any ideas why its failing? I've tried it on another karmic image, with the same results
[12:24] <highvoltage> nubae: it happens here as well,
[12:24] <highvoltage> nubae: it's because start-stop-daemon doesn't "understand --daemon"
[12:26] <highvoltage> nubae: sorry, that was just because I didn't have some variables set, I'll get on it
[12:31] <nubae> ok, how can I fix it locally for now?
[12:34] <highvoltage> nubae: I'm looking at the start-stop-deamon man page, but the line actually looks fine
[12:34] <highvoltage> nubae: I'll have to ask stgraber
[12:35] <nubae> looks like lbagent module is missing
[12:36] <nubae> root@ltsp-appserv01:/# ltsp-cluster-lbagent
[12:36] <nubae> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:36] <nubae>   File "/usr/sbin/ltsp-cluster-lbagent", line 5, in <module>
[12:36] <nubae>     from lbagent import main
[12:36] <nubae> ImportError: No module named lbagent
[12:37] <nubae> well its not missing, just can't find it
[14:13] <dgroos> Anyone know where I can get newish docs for the Sabayon (profile management)?  I've seen this blog but it's pretty old and not complete: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon
[14:17] <Svenstar0> dgroos, you are most likely out of luck there
[14:18] <dgroos> :(
[14:48] <mhall119|work> morning
[14:48] <mhall119|work> is Sabayon only for Gnome, or would it work for XFCE too?
[14:50] <dgroos> Morning mhall119|work
[14:50] <dgroos> That Q is beyond me...
[14:52] <dgroos> Now if you had a question about sequencing instructional units or useful activities to teach the 3 kinds of tectonic plate interaction :) ...
[15:01] <dgroos> BTW have you checked out this page of Edubuntu Community overview?  We have yet to have a developer or consultant enliven their sections.
[15:01] <dgroos> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfDSviukLb6wZGdzY2huOHhfMTFndGY0ZGRnYw&hl=en
[15:06] <ace_suares> dgroos: yeah i've looked at it, seen that it is update too
[15:06] <ace_suares> i wouldnt have high hopes of anyone adding too it
[15:06] <ace_suares> for different reasons
[15:06] <ace_suares> i was going to mail the list about it and how it's a good idea
[15:07] <ace_suares> but i would have also converted it to the wiki and ask you to see if you canwork with that
[15:07] <ace_suares> the problem with the google doc as is is that you have to invite people to participate
[15:08] <ace_suares> i might mail about it this week
[15:08] <ace_suares> first i wanted to see how it developed :_)
[15:20] <dgroos> ace_suares: I agreee that this info needs to go on our wiki.
[15:21] <dgroos> I also agree that any new technology has an entrance curve, I remember you saying that about the wiki.
[15:22] <dgroos> I also think that google-docs has advantages not offered by our wiki eg wysiwyg editing, simultaneous editing and easy versioning.
[15:24] <dgroos> If you added some developer and/or consultant perspectives, we would be closer...
[15:25] <dgroos> As a teacher (and I've created a few pages on the wiki too) I do like these wysiwyg features.
[18:07] <ace_suares> dgroos: i like the wysiwig too but edubuntu has the wiki now
[18:07] <ace_suares> I hope to at least clean up the wiki and then discuss other tools
[18:08]  * ogra points to gobby
[18:08] <ace_suares> you got to explain me one day how we can all edit the googledoc, i mean, should we all have an account at some place that automatically gives access, maybe via openid
[18:23] <mhall119|work> gobby is good for real-time collaboration
[18:24] <mhall119|work> but it doesn't have the permanance of a wiki
[18:24] <ogra> try gobby.ubuntu.com with it ;)
[18:25] <ogra> if you have a central server its great for WIP documents
[18:25] <ogra> which you then dump into the wiki
[18:40] <dgroos> I like--better said, love--wikis.  They are the shared knowledge repositories of a community.
[18:41] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: it would be so nice if wiki's had gobby-like features
[18:42] <dgroos> Thanks ace_suares for your focus on wiki-cleaning.
[18:42] <highvoltage> ace_suares: how is the wiki-cleaning going?
[18:43] <dgroos> I was looking at google-docs again and it seems a new feature (I've not seen it before) is sharing with a list-serve.  Not sure how it works.  Let me try it and see...
[18:44] <dgroos> http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=86152&topic=15129
[18:46] <dgroos> oops--here's the link to sharing with lists: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=66343
[18:49] <Ahmuck> any need for a icecast/ices radio broadcast doc?
[18:51] <dgroos> OK--I've tried to share w/both user and devel lists and supposedly doesn't require sign-in--not tried before.
[18:51] <ace_suares> dgroos: cppl so its possible. I like the gobby suggestion too. For instance, you and Ahmuck would could be working on a documents enhancing Gavins instructions and the make a wiki page from it... for example
[18:52] <ogra> thats how we work at UDS, all people discussing a spec use gobby and take notes in the same document ... at the end of the discussion the doc gets turned into a wikipage
[18:52] <Ahmuck> ace_suares: my backs against the wall here at work.  i'm overextended.  if you have a particular task, i'll take small tasks, but you'll have to assign them
[18:53] <Ahmuck> so what would it take to get gobby to work here?
[18:53] <ogra> apt-get install gooby :)
[18:53] <dgroos> ace_suares cppl?  Calcasieu Parish Public Library?
[18:53] <ogra> and in the connection dialog use gobby.ubuntu.com
[18:54] <Ahmuck> ubuntu is causing me attention deficit disorder :(
[18:55] <Svenstaro> Using google docs is silly, yet another resource to look after. WE HAVE ENOUGH DISTRIBUTION. Sorry for the caps.
[18:55] <dgroos> Gobby sounds very cool.  Let me check it out and I'll get back--I'll try to convert the google doc and see how that goes as well.
[18:56] <dgroos> Svenstaro--google-docs is only a temp. collab. tool.  I use it for creating a grant, planning a trip, etc.  It's a powerful tool for such.
[18:57] <Ahmuck> abiword ?
[18:58] <Ahmuck> ogra, so i've got gobby
[18:58] <Ahmuck> and connected
[18:58] <Ahmuck> creating a test doc won't hurt?
[19:00] <Ahmuck> ace_suares: so ur commited to managing the wiki?
[19:18] <Ahmuck> ogra: k, got it
[19:18] <Ahmuck> i see a list of docs, i assume they are something that was actively worked on and are available to edit ?
[19:20] <Ahmuck> dgroos: u here?
[19:21] <jelkner> hi all, i have a question about interest on this channel in sugar
[19:21] <dgroos> working on installing gobby on my mac--while I've already have X11 installed, looks like I need gcc and more and there isn't a simple apt-get...
[19:21] <jelkner> has it been a topic here?
[19:22] <Ahmuck> it has been
[19:22] <dgroos> I'm moving to my Ubuntu
[19:22] <Ahmuck> nubae has been pushing to get it done
[19:22] <jelkner> Ahmuck: great
[19:22] <jelkner> thanks
[19:22] <Ahmuck> jelkner: ur question?
[19:22] <Ahmuck> i'd like to see it.  iirc, it has not been packaged.
[19:22] <Ahmuck> i'd like to use it
[19:23] <jelkner> Ahmuck: let's talk
[19:23] <jelkner> i am *very* interested in sugar
[19:23] <jelkner> since i work in a school
[19:23] <Ahmuck> u develop?
[19:23] <jelkner> sort of
[19:23] <jelkner> i'm a teacher ;-)
[19:23] <Ahmuck> been to the #sugar channel?
[19:23] <jelkner> (those that can, do and all ;-)
[19:24] <jelkner> all the time
[19:24] <jelkner> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_DC
[19:24] <dgroos> welcome teachers!
[19:24] <jelkner> in fact, i had a student intern working all summer on a sugar project
[19:25] <jelkner> specifically, he was working on gasp, and adding it to pippy
[19:25] <jelkner> what i'm grappling with now is what we here in dc should take on next
[19:25] <jelkner> one possibility is contributing to soas
[19:26] <jelkner> but that is fedora
[19:26] <jelkner> and i'm an ubuntu guy
[19:26] <jelkner> so i wanted to ask here first if there is interest in getting sugar to work again on ubuntu
[19:26] <jelkner> (or work for the first time, really)
[19:26] <jelkner> it sort of worked on hardy
[19:26] <jelkner> but not really
[19:27] <jelkner> i want to see if there is a way we can contribute
[19:27] <jelkner> and find out what has been going on
[19:33] <highvoltage> jelkner: morgs has been working on sugar packaging, but besides that interest has been relatively low. there's been a few people who wanted to try it out
[19:33] <Ahmuck> actually i think nubae would enjoy the help
[19:33] <Ahmuck> or morgs
[19:34] <Ahmuck> i'd like to see it, but haven't been able to, as i understand it doesn't quit work in ubuntu
[19:35] <jelkner> if interest is relatively low (as unfortunate as that may be), then i would find more fertile fields to sow elsewhere
[19:35] <jelkner> that's what i wanted to figure out
[19:35] <Ahmuck> *sigh*
[19:35] <jelkner> i'm ready to be an active participant in an effort
[19:35] <Ahmuck> what would be low interest?
[19:35] <Ahmuck> considered
[19:35] <jelkner> not sure
[19:36] <jelkner> basically, i have much enthusiasm but limited skills
[19:36] <jelkner> that can be a recipe for trouble
[19:36] <Ahmuck> i think for sugar to have a higher interest on *ubuntu, first it's going to need a package that works
[19:36] <Ahmuck> ah, ok
[19:37] <jelkner> Ahmuck: precisely
[19:37] <jelkner> that's the kind of thing i can't do
[19:37] <jelkner> i'm interested in:
[19:37] <Ahmuck> maybee a document on how to get current sugar to work on ubuntu (not from package repos)
[19:37] <jelkner> 1. learning and teaching sugar development
[19:37] <jelkner> 2. using sugar with kids (and other learners)
[19:38] <jelkner> 3. writing educational materials for sugar
[19:38] <jelkner> 4. developing Activities for sugar
[19:38] <jelkner> what i can't do is
[19:38] <jelkner> 1. the low level os stuff to make sugar work with ubuntu
[19:39] <jelkner> 2. packaging
[19:39] <jelkner> though i have a few students who can package
[19:39] <highvoltage> jelkner: imho sugar doesn't really get the credit it deserves, it's a pity about negreponte's recent comments as well
[19:39] <Lns> Hey all
[19:39] <jelkner> highvoltage: sugar is *really cool*
[19:39] <highvoltage> hey Lns
[19:40] <jelkner> i didn't see negroponte's comments
[19:40] <highvoltage> jelkner: I'll find a link
[19:40] <Lns> FYI, since you're talking about Sugar, the IT director at the district I work with is VERY interested in Sugar for the younger students
[19:40] <jelkner> but i don't particularly care what he thinks
[19:40] <Lns> it would be *awesome* to get it working well via ltsp
[19:40] <jelkner> Lns: totally!
[19:40] <jelkner> we run ubuntu in my classroom both ways
[19:41] <jelkner> ltsp and local boot to hard drive
[19:41] <Ahmuck> jelkner: based on your comments, i'd say that what you and do can be done for sugar in general
[19:41] <Ahmuck> more importantly, there is currently an interest in documentation for apps in ubuntu
[19:41] <highvoltage> jelkner: http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/olpc_biggest_mistake_sugar.html
[19:42] <Ahmuck> and it would appear that your interested in "neutral" stuff, i think it'd be great if you were writing, etc
[19:43] <jelkner> highvoltage: thanks
[19:43] <jelkner> it is interesting
[19:43] <jelkner> sugar is an ambitious project
[19:43] <jelkner> it was also not ready at olpc launch
[19:44] <jelkner> it is only getting "ready" now
[19:44] <jelkner> but it is very cool
[19:44] <jelkner> kids love it
[19:44] <jelkner> and it will only get better
[19:44] <highvoltage> jelkner: I agree
[19:45] <jelkner> so the question is am trying to resolve here today is:
[19:45] <jelkner> what makes more sense:  working with sugar as a fedora spin (since redhat does have interest and is supporting it)
[19:46] <jelkner> or checking out my friends in ubuntu space to see if there is interest over here
[19:46] <Lns> jelkner: imho working with sugar as a generic, portable, classic OSS project (not distro based) would be best
[19:46] <highvoltage> jelkner: are they mutually exclusive?
[19:47] <jelkner> my long term goal is to develop an educational program around supporting and developing sugar
[19:47] <highvoltage> jelkner: I know that myself, LaserJock, morgs and a few others would very, very much like sugar packaged and well-integrated
[19:47] <jelkner> highvoltage: not at all, but given limited time and resources, i wanted to figure out where to focus now
[19:47] <jelkner> in the long term i'll be looking for sugar on my favorite os ;-)
[19:48] <highvoltage> jelkner: yep, that's a constant struggle, figuring out where to apply yourself best
[19:48] <highvoltage> (I know it is for me, at least)
[19:48] <jelkner> but for the time being if there is not ubuntu community interest i should wait for that to materialize (which i think it eventually will)
[19:48] <jelkner> highvoltage: i totally agree with you
[19:49] <jelkner> and it is requires constant reevaluation as things change
[19:49] <jelkner> so this is just a "checking in for now" visit
[19:49] <jelkner> to see what's up
[19:49] <jelkner> you have been most helpful
[19:49] <highvoltage> jelkner: I do suggest you talk to morgs as well
[19:50] <jelkner> can i email him?
[19:50] <highvoltage> jelkner: he'll be able to give you a *very* good idea of what's happeing with the ubuntu packages. I think he got very close to getting it right in the last release
[19:50] <jelkner> cool
[19:50] <jelkner> i should definitely do that first, then
[19:50] <highvoltage> jelkner: yep<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:50]  * jelkner goes off to write an email...
[19:51] <highvoltage> awesome :)
[20:10] <jelkner> highvoltage: a swing and a miss
[20:10] <jelkner> i sent an email
[20:10] <jelkner> but it bounced
[20:10] <jelkner> i cc'd you
[20:11] <jelkner> 550 Mailbox quota exceeded (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[20:11] <jelkner> did you get it?
[20:17] <jelkner> i've got to run... i'll follow up tomorrow
[20:19] <Lns>  Does anyone here have an Ubuntu Jaunty LTSP setup they can test tux4kids apps on with sound? We need to figure out whether the issues in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 are still present in Jaunty...it would be much appreciated!!
[20:39] <Ahmuck> Lns: i do, but i've got no time to test today
[20:40] <Ahmuck> iirc, it was SDL sound
[20:40] <Lns> Ahmuck: yeah that's what i hear it is too
[20:40] <Lns> and then the ball is dropped since upstream SDL
[20:40] <Ahmuck> i have problems with pulse on my system
[20:40] <Ahmuck> there is some question as it might be 64 bit proc, 32 bit server, and 32 bit clients
[20:41] <Lns> what problems?
[20:41] <Ahmuck> sound quits, and reverts to the server
[20:42] <Ahmuck> to get sound back, i have to re-start clients
[20:42] <Lns> hmmm... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/216397
[20:47] <dgroos> Not sure when to mention this... Since installing jaunty, when ltsp client boots, the beautiful sound it used to make now has static/ almost firecracker sounds in the background.  Any one else seen this?  not just on 1 client machine.
[20:48] <Ahmuck> same here
[20:48] <dgroos> at first, thought it was the 'new sound of jaunty'. but not nice.
[20:50] <Ahmuck> no, something broke in jaunty
[20:50] <Lns> maybe that's about on par w/latest ubuntu ltsp installs stability? ;)
[20:50] <Lns> *static*  means "You're in for some problems!!"
[20:50] <Lns> *grin*
[21:32] <ace_suares> hi
[21:32] <ace_suares> does anyone have the email address for jelkner who was interested in sugar ?
[21:55] <highvoltage> ace_suares<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:55] <ace_suares> highvoltage: thx!
[22:04] <dgroos> Hi sbalneav
[22:04] <dgroos> I've reinstalled jaunty, hoping that would cure my sabayon ills.  To no avail.
[22:05] <dgroos> What should I do with the logs?  Is it your birthday? ;)
[23:43] <Ahmuck> find a way to keep jelkner.  he's an instructor, the kind of people edubuntu needs
[23:45] <Ahmuck> actually i see a group coming togather.  ace_suares, dgroos, jelkner, nubae, lns, mhall119, sbalneav stgraber highvoltage alkisg svenstaro, ogra - did i miss anybody?  a mixture of non-tech, non-programmers, programmers, etc.
[23:46] <Svenstaro> Who are highlight my devine name.
[23:46]  * Lns raises an eyebrow
[23:46] <Ahmuck> er, sorry, i forgot laserjock (didn't see his nick in the list)
[23:46] <mhall119> who what?
[23:47] <alkisg> Heh... yup, lotsa people, I think edubuntu revival is actually possible now...
[23:47] <Svenstaro> alkisg, with that attitude, you don't even need to be here. Practice your optimism somewhere else!
[23:47] <Ahmuck> :p
[23:48] <alkisg> :D
[23:48] <Lns> Ahmuck: so a "group" huh?
[23:49] <Ahmuck> *shrugs* a working group that is moving forward, excitedly.  (is that what we call a mob)
[23:49] <Ahmuck> or schoolground scuffle
[23:49] <Lns> ;)
[23:49] <Lns> I think an official group is necessary for us Educationally involved, Linux thin-client folk
[23:50] <Lns> I've been trying to think of how to manifest something like that
[23:50] <Ahmuck> actually i don't think it needs to be restricted to thin clients anymore.  with wiki power, it's possible to outline three server/client scenarios
[23:50] <Ahmuck> 1. ltsp
[23:50] <Ahmuck> 2. ldap/nfs etc.
[23:51] <Ahmuck> 3. ubuntu server thingy
[23:51] <Svenstaro> Explain 3. please
[23:52] <Ahmuck> oh, i ran into it the other day when do a ubuntu server install
[23:52] <Svenstaro> No I mean, what would it imply?
[23:52] <Ahmuck> i'll need some time to think.  i've been pushing 12 hour days, and i'm exhausted.  brain won't work until i get more foooood!
[23:52] <Svenstaro> Install Ubuntu Server on every client?
[23:52] <Lns> have you guys heard of schoolforge?
[23:52] <Ahmuck> ah, no, one server maintians updates, machine configuraion, user confiugriona
[23:53] <Lns> http://www.schoolforge.net/
[23:53] <Ahmuck> it's there, but it appears to be "software as a service"
[23:53] <Svenstaro> But the other clients are all harddisk installed?
[23:53] <Ahmuck> however from a school point of view, it works
[23:53] <Ahmuck> yes, ubuntu is installed on every machine, one to track them all.  kind of like Lord of the Ubuntus
[23:53] <Ahmuck> if i understand it correctly
[23:53] <Lns> Ahmuck: you're thinking about "Puppet" i think
[23:54] <Ahmuck> lns, looking at link now
[23:54] <Ahmuck> lns, nope
[23:54] <Svenstaro> That's neat. So pretty much like Landscape
[23:54] <Ahmuck> but that is another options i suppose
[23:54] <Ahmuck> Svenstaro: yes, landscape is what i was talking about
[23:54] <Ahmuck> technically any one of those four scenerios are possible, just need to be outlined in the wiki
[23:55] <Ahmuck> with guidence on teh best option so the end user can make the intelligent choice that works for them
[23:55] <Svenstaro> Good thing we're on the same track. I had independantly figured those 3 out as the most feasible.
[23:55] <Svenstaro> LTSP should expliciply deal with localapps.
[23:55] <Lns> Ahmuck: http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape
[23:56] <Lns> err... everyone... ^^^ =)
[23:56] <Svenstaro> Even more concretely, it should deal with Firefox.
[23:58] <Lns> hmm...landscape looks very promising...though does anyone have any actual experience with it?
[23:58] <Svenstaro> No, it's proprietary :(
[23:59] <Svenstaro> Not usable for school therefor
[23:59] <Lns> proprietary? it's a service


[03:05] <ScottL> knome, i think i am done with the ubiquity slideshow:  https://code.launchpad.net/~slavender/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[03:06] <ScottL> i will file the UIFe tomorrow morning (about 8 hours hence)
[03:06] <ScottL> knome, thank you again for your help
[03:06] <ScottL> i'll still need to update the seeds to use the 'ubuntustudio' slideshow, i think we are currently using the 'ubuntu' one also
[03:45] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i've added 'ubuntustudio-live-settings' to the 'dvd-live' seed :)
[03:47] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Right, I'm still in the middle of making it. :) Got side-tracked, but I'll continue.
[03:48] <scott-upstairs> micah said he was piloting tomorrow and would update the meta files, so i wanted to make sure it got into the seeds
[03:52] <micahg> scott-upstairs: it won't get in without being in the archive
[04:52] <len-nb> scott-upstairs, ScottL
[04:52] <len-nb> Just looking at the iso fail in the email list
[04:53] <len-nb> The subject is :	LiveFS ubuntustudio-dvd/precise/amd64 failed to build on 20120318
[04:53] <len-nb> But the reason for fail: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:53] <len-nb>  linux-lowlatency-pae:i386 : Depends: linux-image-lowlatency-pae:i386 (=
[04:53] <len-nb> <IP_ADDRESS>.17) but it is not going to be installed
[04:54] <len-nb> Why would it be worrying about a 32 bit kernel for the 64bit iso?
[04:55] <len-nb> Has anyone downloaded the amd64 iso? Is it amd 64 or 1386 In spite of the name?
[04:56] <len-nb> For some reason the build seems to think there is only one iso to do that includes both...
[04:56] <len-nb> Are we confused yet?
[04:57] <len-nb> G'night
[05:04] <micahg> scott-upstairs: yeah, seems http://launchpadlibrarian.net/96917680/livecd-rootfs_2.58_2.59.diff.gz make the live env 32 bit only, I'll file a bug for cjwatson
[06:12] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: ScottL: maybe_ubiquity file added, debian/control modified for new binary package.
[06:12] <astraljava> rev. 105 and 106
[06:32] <astraljava> micahg: scott-upstairs: ScottL: Figured out the weird "postinst called with unknown argument `install'", it is printed in us-audio.preinst in fact. Is there anything to be done prior to installing the 0.97 version in a fresh install, ie. not upgrading?
[06:32] <astraljava> If not, I'll just remove that misleading option altogether.
[06:32] <astraljava> Well actually, I'll remove it already, and we can add it again if need be.
[06:33] <micahg> astraljava: shouldn't be, I just added that to make sure that what was there before was removed, but it might need a version guard
[06:39] <astraljava> micahg: Yeah I totally understand why the upgrade-clause is there. It's just that the default case exit 1'ed, thus causing fresh installs to fail. :)
[06:39] <micahg> astraljava: great, just let me know what I need to upload tomorrow night, glad you were able to figure it out
[06:40] <astraljava> micahg: I left the default case with the printing, but removed the exit 1.
[06:40] <astraljava> micahg: Sure, no prob. Just creating a debdiff for it.
[06:40] <micahg> oh, right, it's in the meta
[06:40] <astraljava> Yes.
[06:40] <astraljava> micahg: I did update ubuntustudio-default-settings, too, so you could upload that when you have time.
[06:41] <micahg> I'm piloting later this evening
[06:41] <micahg> i.e. in ~21 hours
[06:41] <astraljava> micahg: It now has the maybe_ubiquity file for the theme loading in casper, and the ubuntustudio-live-settings binary package rule in debian/control.
[06:41] <astraljava> Oh, good, I'll try to be online then.
[06:44] <micahg> is US supporting anything except i386 and and64?
[06:45] <micahg> there's a projectm build failure on arm* that I may or may not have time to debug before release
[06:51] <astraljava> micahg: I don't think we do.
[06:53] <astraljava> micahg: In debian/changelog, if I want to include several bugs as (LP: #<bug_number>, #<another_bug>, ...), then how should it be formatted? I understand changelog shouldn't have longer than 76 char lines.
[06:53] <micahg> 80 char limit
[06:53] <astraljava> Yeah ok, but what if it's longer than that?
[06:53] <micahg> just wrap in the whitespace
[06:54] <astraljava> Ok. Thanks!
[08:35] <micahg> astraljava: I forgot to upload the backports for audacity for oneiric, I"ll try to do this later this evening
[08:38] <astraljava> micahg: Sure thing, thanks a bunch!
[09:30] <ttoine> hi
[09:44] <knome> scott-upstairs, mm-hmm. can you ping me again when you have filed the UIFe and the bug number, and i'll sort out the rest
[09:52] <ttoine> hi knome
[09:52] <ttoine> Scott told me that you are working on the next website
[09:52] <knome> hey ttoine
[09:52] <knome> i am
[09:52] <ttoine> do you need some help ?
[09:52] <knome> not at this point, really
[09:53] <knome> what needs love now is the content
[09:53] <knome> i saw you had some problems with the staging site
[09:53] <knome> try https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/
[10:25] <ttoine> knome, i can help with the content too
[10:26] <knome> with that, you should poke ScottL
[10:28] <ttoine> I already spoke about that with him. I think I will spend some time on the help wiki this week
[10:28] <ttoine> I have to finish the UbuntuStudioPreparation page first
[10:28] <knome> :)
[10:30] <ttoine> knome, you are working on the xubuntu website and development too ?
[10:31] <knome> yup
[10:31] <knome> i'm the xubuntu project lead
[10:35] <ttoine> ok
[10:55] <astraljava> ttoine: He just likes us better, that's why he hangs out in here.
[10:55] <knome> :P
[10:55] <ttoine> ;-)
[10:56] <ttoine> knome, you produce some multimedia too, or you are just a dev ?
[10:56] <knome> artist really
[10:56] <knome> or graphic designer, i may say :)
[11:37] <ttoine> knome, ok
[11:50] <ttoine> knome, ScottL, do you think we should speak a bit about some vendors that sell software for Linux ? for example, Harrison and their great Mixbus, based on Ardour ?
[11:55] <ttoine> scott-work, do you think we should speak a bit about some vendors that sell software for Linux ? for example, Harrison and their great Mixbus, based on Ardour ?
[11:56] <scott-work> ttoine: we certainly can
[11:56] <scott-work> there has been some discussion already
[11:57] <ttoine> I was thinking about that for the ubuntustudiopreparation page
[11:58] <scott-work> i had contacted canonical at one point about mixbus and/or selling merchandise with ubuntu studio logo on them and was told that we could not do that :/
[11:58] <ttoine> scott-work, as I said to knome, I will spend some time on the documentation (help wiki) and see what can be done
[11:59] <scott-work> ttoine: that would be awesome, and quite a relief to me as i expected to me the one to do most of it :-D
[11:59] <ttoine> scott-work, you are not alone, for now
[12:00] <ttoine> too bad that we can't sell mechandising with the logo. I would have buy a baseball cap
[12:00] <scott-work> :)
[12:00] <scott-work> ttoine: ^^^ the smiley was for "you are not alone"
[12:01] <scott-work> ttoine: i was told that we could create our own *personal* shirts and canonical did not have a problem with the use of hte logo, it was only for commerical interests they were concerned
[12:01] <scott-work> the other side is to develop some merchandize and work to get it into the canoncial store
[12:01] <scott-work> i would like to pursue this during Q+1 or so
[12:01] <scott-work> i takled about a long plan and this is one line item on it
[12:01] <ttoine> it would be great, yes
[12:02] <scott-work> of course, if someone was interested in making it happen sooner, that would be great
[12:02] <knome> scott-work, we're planning xubuntu t-shirts
[12:02] <ttoine> if it is possible to get some money, and so pay some developpers...
[12:02] <knome> scott-work, i suppose it's okay to sell them anywhere as long as we don't make profit
[12:02] <knome> ttoine, ^
[12:02] <scott-work> but that would involved someone with artistic abilities designing the shirts and then dealing with the beauracracy of the canonical store
[12:03] <scott-work> knome: hehe, that sounds very, very reasonable to me ;)
[12:03] <knome> we've asked the canonical legal dept., but no reply yet
[12:03] <ttoine> Design of t-shirt and other textile stuff I can see : my wife's sister has its own business in that
[12:03] <scott-work> knome: perhaps my biggest sin was to actually ask, yes?
[12:03] <knome> ask what? :)
[12:04] <knome> i think the canonical store is good.. but they will surely take the profit
[12:04] <ttoine> I think that knome is right
[12:04] <knome> we're thinking something like spreadshirt or so, to make it as cheap to buyers as possible
[12:04] <ttoine> I will contact the ubuntu-fr local group. they sell mechandise on an associative merchandising website
[12:05] <knome> ttoine, ubuntu merch?
[12:05] <knome> ttoine, or derivative
[12:05] <ttoine> http://www.enventelibre.org/
[12:05] <ttoine> it is in french
[12:05] <ttoine> but you can see that there are a lot of stuff from books to mugs, OOo, Ubuntu, etc...
[12:05] <knome> mmh, but it's ubuntu and/or ubuntu-fr only, not derivatives?
[12:06] <scott-work> knome: ttoine: i don't mind canonical getting the money at this point, i think getting merchandising available for users/fans is most important
[12:06] <ttoine> no derivative, yes
[12:06] <knome> and if you contact them, ask if they are making any profit of them (not because we are greedy, but because we want to know if that's legally okay with canonical)
[12:06] <ttoine> but I know that they use that to pay servers and bandwith, and a bit of time of the ubuntu-fr mainteners
[12:07] <knome> scott-work, i don't mind canonical getting the money at any point, but my worry is that the prices are higher for the buyer than they would be in an other shop...
[12:07] <knome> ttoine, but that's probably from other products? i mean, we've investigated this and afair, it's always been "ok as long as you don't make money out of it"
[12:08] <knome> they don't seem to ask much of the ubuntu stuff, so i'm guessing they are barely making a profit either :)
[12:09] <scott-work> knome: that is a very, very good point (higher prices), that would certainly disenfranchise many of our users, i expect
[12:10] <knome> scott-work, you probably should talk with pleia2, she's the one who's investigating this
[12:10] <knome> from the shop/legal side
[12:11] <ttoine> knome, scott-work, it is as for music band : they sell more merchandise than cd... so it would be great to offer something to the user community of ubuntu studio
[12:14] <scott-work> ttoine: i agree
[12:14] <knome> agreed.
[12:15] <knome> http://on-disk.com/index.php/cPath/28_135_306_430
[12:15] <knome> you might want to ask on-disc to ship ubuntu studio too...
[12:15] <knome> and i might want to ask them to refresh our logo
[12:15] <knome> that one is 2+ years old
[13:53] <scott-work> micahg:  you asked a question last week about bug triaging and i think i did not properly respresent ourselves
[13:54] <scott-work> micahg: a more proper description would be to say that we do read bug reports as they are reported and we do address critical ones (with the exception of the ubuntustudio-menu and ubuntustudio-audio ones)
[13:55] <astraljava> scott-work: It's alright, I did, and just fixed a few backing up my claims. :)
[13:55] <scott-work> astraljava: thank you very much for getting into it
[13:56] <scott-work> speaking for myself, i would say that i choose to ignore them because i  really didn't understand how important they were and didn't understand how to fix them
[13:56] <scott-work> had i known i could have asked astraljava to look into them and he would fix them so easily and quickly i would have done that much, much sooner ;)
[13:56] <astraljava> scott-work: Well, you can't strech onto everything, now can you? :)
[13:57] <astraljava> stretch*
[13:57] <scott-work> micahg:  but i hope that better explains historical position, and i have already explained that i wish us to be more responsive in the future
[13:57] <scott-work> hehe
[13:57] <scott-work> with that said, i really plan to get a UIFe filed for the ubiquity slideshow and an email sent to the TB mailing list about LTS status today
[14:00] <astraljava> scott-work: I have been feeling guilty about our poor track record on responding to bugs recently, so I am trying to put more effort on it as well in the future. Especially now that we're committing to an LTS release.
[14:19] <knome> astraljava, could you feel a big guilty for the xubuntu bugs too? :)
[14:21] <astraljava> knome: Absolutely. I use Xubuntu personally, and then US leans too heavily on you to dismiss you off-hand. :)
[14:24] <knome> :)
[14:24] <knome> good >:)
[16:41] <scott-work> micahg: did you file the bug for the studio image build fails for colin?
[16:43] <micahg> scott-work: yes, and it was fixed already, I sent a message to the US list, but it got moderated
[16:44] <scott-work> lols, i tried to add colin's build emails to the mailing list and failed apparently or else i would try to add you too
[16:44] <scott-work> micahg: have you applied for membership to the mailing list?  if you do that i believe i can add you then
[16:45]  * scott-work was trying to add colin's build emails only from this end rather than bother him to have a request from his end
[16:50] <micahg> scott-work: I'm already subscribed
[16:51] <micahg> it said to many people CCd
[16:51] <micahg> *too
[16:51] <scott-work> i saw that you are a memeber
[16:51] <scott-work> i think i just approved it
[16:51] <scott-work> yay, it came through
[16:59] <scott-work> micahg: interestingly yesterday's build log for i386 shows "mv: cannot stat `/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntustudio/dvd/tmp/precise-i386/CD1/casper/filesystem.kernel-lowlatency-pae': No such file or directory"
[17:00] <scott-work> do you think cjwatson's fix will also fix this or should i file another bug?  if so, against casper?
[17:00] <micahg> awesome :(
[17:00] <scott-work> the 32bit images have been failing for several days
[17:00] <scott-work> i noted this from an earlier email:  [2012-03-11 18:17:11] lb_config noauto --mode ubuntu --distribution precise --bootstrap-keyring ubuntu-keyring --binary-images none --memtest none --source false --build-with-chroot false --parent-mirror-bootstrap http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ --parent-archive-areas main restricted universe multiverse --package-lists none --initsystem none --bootloader none --initramfs-compress
[17:01] <scott-work> this is for the 32bit
[17:01] <micahg> I didn't see a mail for the i386 build
[17:01] <scott-work> but this is for the 64bit:  [2012-03-17 18:17:10] lb_config noauto --mode ubuntu --distribution precise --bootstrap-keyring ubuntu-keyring --binary-images none --memtest none --source false --build-with-chroot false --parent-mirror-bootstrap http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ --parent-archive-areas main restricted universe multiverse --package-lists none --linux-flavours lowlatency-pae --initsystem none --bootloader no
[17:01] <scott-work> the difference is "--linux-flavours lowlatency-pae" which is ONLY shown for 64 bit
[17:01] <scott-work> never mind the erroneous "-pae" bit in the 64bit image build
[17:02] <micahg> and it looks like th eamd64 ISO was working, this is weird
[17:02] <scott-work> the file for the buildlog which shows yesertday's 32 bit failure:  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/precise/dvd-20120318.log
[17:02] <scott-work> make: *** [/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntustudio/dvd/tmp/precise-i386/bootable-stamp] Error 1 ERROR WHILE BUILDING OFFICIAL IMAGES !! [17:03] <micahg> no idea if it'll work today, builds should be in ~90 minutes though
[17:03] <scott-work> oh good, after this builds we can resolve the next action
[17:08] <scott-work>
[17:09] <scott-work> reflecting back on this cycle and contrasting it against my first three (?, i think it's been three others)
[17:09] <scott-work> i am amazed at the things i've learned this cycle and also the amount of development the team has managed to get done
[17:10] <scott-work> especially when you look at the development (or lack thereof) from the previous two or three cycles, we did some amazing things
[17:10] <scott-work> (at least to me, i'm sure those working on ubuntu are used to this and more)
[17:15] <astraljava> I agree, we did some progress during the O and P cycles, yes.
[17:25] <scott-work> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/959504
[17:26] <scott-work> UIFe for the slide show
[17:26] <scott-work> please feel free to make any changes in the comments if i did or said anything obtuse :P
[17:26] <scott-work> two points though:
[17:26] <scott-work> 1. i have not test built the package :(
[17:26] <scott-work> 2. i have not subscribed anyone at this time (i felt it was prudent not to do this yet)
[17:26] <scott-work>
[17:27] <scott-work> i feel bad about #1 though, i got so worked up and into making things look pretty and working out the content, nevertheless, i still should have done it
[17:27] <scott-work> which i can when i get home (in 5.55 hours)
[17:28] <scott-work> now an email to the TB mailing list
[17:32] <micahg> scott-work: did you do the audit for CVEs for your package set?
[17:32] <scott-work> ahhhh, no i haven't
[17:32] <micahg> then they can't move on your application until you know whether or not you can commit to security support :)
[17:33] <scott-work> oh, well then i can stop looking for the last TB meeting as a reference then
[17:33] <scott-work> micahg:  is this something i might be able to accomplish in a single evening?  perhaps tonight?
[17:34] <micahg> scott-work: sure, with the help of a few shell commands :)
[17:34] <scott-work> micahg: i have your links still, is there some preparation i should be prior?
[17:34] <micahg> well, I shouldn't say that, depends on how many packages actually show up
[17:35] <scott-work> ack
[17:48] <ttoine> scott-work, who has packaged the -lowlatency kernel ??
[17:54] <scott-work> ttoine:  basically it was aboganni with a few changes (mostly unknown to me) by TheMuso
[17:55] <ttoine> scott-work, thanks for the info. Abogani told me that he will not spent more time on the realtime kernel, except for security update. but the lowlatency is not "hard" enough for lowlatency audio prodution
[17:56] <ttoine> too bad that the realtime kernel can not handle the restricted drivers
[17:56] <holstein> so far, our testing seems to be pretty positive
[17:56] <scott-work> ttoine: are you or did alessio say "the lowlatency is not hard enough for audio production" ?
[17:56] <holstein> the *-generic one is actually not bad for most
[17:57] <ttoine> I tested some recording in Ardour at less than 5ms latency on my workstation, with the lowlatency kernel. It is not possible with compiz enabled...
[17:58] <ttoine> scott-work, no. Alessio did not say that. Only me after testing
[17:58] <holstein> 5 is not really need with ardour though
[17:58] <holstein> unless you are doing MIDI instruments in live as audio tracks
[17:59] <ailo> ttoine: Which -lowlatency are you talking about? Precise?
[17:59] <ttoine> ailo, precise of course
[17:59] <ailo> There's a problem with the build. It's actually an exact copy of -generic
[18:00] <ailo> I've tested -lowlatency (which I build myself), and it's as good as -realtime for me
[18:00] <ttoine> holstein, you need this too if you are using a jack rack for an audio instruments, wants to monitor the effects, and record in ardour
[18:00] <holstein> lol... that'll do it
[18:00] <holstein> ttoine: correct, but i dont
[18:00] <ttoine> ailo, so it explains a lot...
[18:00] <holstein> i can just do the effect analog for tracking, and add them in post
[18:00] <holstein> wouldnt bother me if it took 4 seconds for the audio to travel
[18:00] <ttoine> holstein, I sometimes use my laptop as an effect box, and 5ms is necessary
[18:01] <holstein> that being said, i get 1.2ms stalbe
[18:01] <holstein> stable*
[18:01] <ailo> I'm currently downloading TheMuso's repo for -lowlatency to have a look, but I believe he can fix it quickly once he get's a chance
[18:01] <ttoine> holstein, with wich version of Ubuntu Studio, and wich Kernell ?
[18:01] <holstein> 10.04... abogani's older *-rt one
[18:02] <astraljava> ttoine: I'm not sure you should use compiz, nor NetworkManager, nor any other such foolishness when you require "hard low latency" anyway.
[18:02] <holstein> i can get 3ms with the generic kernel and a tascam USB interface though
[18:02] <ttoine> holstein, of course ;-) with that version
[18:02] <holstein> lol
[18:02] <holstein> well, i dont feel the need to regress
[18:02] <ailo> astraljava: I haven't found any impact on performance on account of those
[18:02] <ttoine> astraljava, network is not activated when I use very lowlatency
[18:02] <astraljava> ailo: That doesn't say there wouldn't be.
[18:03] <holstein> so far, my testing of the generic kernel in 12.04 is not much wors with my particular hardware
[18:03] <astraljava> ttoine: Ok.
[18:03] <ailo> Usually when people have performance problems it's when you're sharing irq between such things as your graphic card and your sound device
[18:03] <holstein> yup.. i had that going on for sure in the past
[18:03] <ailo> Also, having proprietary drivers for your graphic card can be a performance boost
[18:04] <ttoine> ailo, true... but should not initirq solve the problem ?
[18:04] <ailo> ttoine: It should
[18:04] <ttoine> ailo, the problem is that the realtime kernel of Alessio will not handle the restricted driver
[18:04] <ailo> I've never had that kind of problems, so I have no way of testing. For me, rtirq makes no difference at all
[18:05] <ailo> ttoine: -lowlatency is as good as -realtime for me, and has been for the past year. As soon as we get the right config for the current -lowlatency, I urge you to try it out again
[18:05] <ttoine> ailo, so, as it is installed as a dependecy of the lowlatency or realtime kernel it should not be a problem
[18:06] <astraljava> ailo: Has this wrong config been addressed properly? I find that quite alarming, that at this stage of the cycle, we don't even have the desired version of the kernel.
[18:06] <holstein> i know :/
[18:06] <holstein> sux
[18:06] <ttoine> ailo, sure. In previous versions of Ubuntu, I used -lowlatency and it was great
[18:07] <ttoine> ailo, can you give me the ppa name where I can find the proper lowlatency kernel ?
[18:07] <ailo> astraljava: TheMuso made some changes to the source tree that abogani had made, and by mistake he has used the -generic config instead of the -lowlatency
[18:07] <ailo> ttoine: There is none. But hopefully we can correct this problem very soon
[18:07] <ttoine> scott-work, I have an other question. for backports, at the moment, what are you thinking about the kxstudio project ?
[18:08] <astraljava> ailo: Ok, so it'll be remedied soon enough then, I suppose.
[18:08] <ttoine> ailo, so, we have just to wait for the new lowlatency kernel in the main repository ?
[18:09] <ailo> ttoine: Yep. Hopefully we can rebuild the kernel within the week
[18:09] <scott-work> ttoine: re: backports and kxstudio project - we can't use any packages not in the official repository
[18:09] <micahg> ailo: beta 2 freeze is thursday, so I'd suggest proceeding with dispatch
[18:10] <scott-work> ttoine: that doesn't stop anyone from adding the kxstudio ppa's, however
[18:10] <scott-work> ttoine: the best practice is to get those package into ubuntu proper, or even better, into debian
[18:10] <ailo> micahg: I'm not aware of Ubuntu policies when it comes to packaging, and kernel packagin in particular. What is a dispatch?
[18:10] <scott-work> ailo: he means move quickly
[18:11] <micahg> ailo: that was just a phrase :)
[18:11] <ttoine> scott-work, ok. But will falktx do that, I am not sure. It seems that he does that more for himself
[18:11] <scott-work> with "dispatch" = with "alarm" = with "alactiry" = with "speed" = with "haste"
[18:11] <ailo> scott-work: micahg: I C :)
[18:12]  * micahg borrowed the phrase from Captain Riker :)
[18:12] <scott-work> ttoine:  i do not think he will, but it might be better to ask him directly when he is on
[18:12] <scott-work> ttoine: certainly, some of the packages he includes *can not* be included in ubuntu or debian due to licensing
[18:12] <scott-work> which is terribly unfortunate
[18:12] <micahg> if that's the case, they can't be in the PPA either
[18:12] <ttoine> ok. I will still document it on the UbuntuStudioPreparation as he let me do. It is a great addons
[18:12] <ailo> I'm having a look at the source in a few moments, but I don't have access to that repo, so I guess he is the only one who can fix it right now?
[18:13] <ailo> TheMuso's repo, that is
[18:13] <ttoine> micahg, scott-work, there's still medibuntu. It is great to have alsa-firmware, libdvdcss, and so
[18:15] <ttoine> I hope that some one will take some time to teach me how to package. The documentation are not made for non programmer/dev
[18:16] <micahg> libdvdcss is in Debian and Ubuntu IIRC
[18:16] <holstein> ttoine: i know, right?
[18:16] <holstein> the docs assume a level of understanding
[18:16] <micahg> oh, no it's not
[18:16] <micahg> libdvdread is
[18:17] <knome> micahg, libdvdcss needs to be installed manually with a script
[18:17] <ailo> Yeah, and the script gets the package from medibuntu, does it not?
[18:17] <ailo> But the script is available from within Ubuntu
[18:17] <ttoine> libdvdcss can not be in debian
[18:17] <ttoine> knome, no, it is available in Medibuntu repository
[18:18] <knome> it's also available in the libdvdread-package
[18:18] <micahg> knome: might not be manual in the future :), http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/libdvdcss-installer.git
[18:18] <knome> this way the user doesn't have to enable any extra repositories
[18:18] <knome> micahg, aha :)
[18:19] <ttoine> knome, but the users will have to know how to use git, or a script in a terminal
[18:20] <knome> ttoine, a script in a terminal, yes. but there is a very straightforward README :)
[18:20] <ailo> The script is in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[18:20] <knome> but yes, i agree that it is suboptimal
[18:22] <ttoine> knome, the good way would to do as for the msttorefonts
[18:22] <ttoine> a dummy package that will download and compile what is needed
[18:22] <knome> ttoine, i don't know if that's legally possible, and also, i'm not a very techinical person :)
[18:22] <knome> *technical
[18:25] <ttoine> knome, like me... this is the same kind of problem as the vst stuff
[18:25] <ttoine> and I don't speak about reading a bluray in Ubuntu...
[18:25] <knome> heh :)
[18:26] <ttoine> even VLC can not read DVD without libdvdcss in Linux...
[18:26] <knome> me neither, i'm using propietary stuff for bluray's ;)
[18:26] <knome> (ps3...)
[18:26] <scott-work> this is interesting:  http://anonymous-os.tumblr.com/about
[18:26] <ttoine> knome, I have a bd player, too
[18:26] <knome> ttoine, i suppose that depends on the dvd :)
[18:27] <ttoine> scott-work, I would not use that... I am not skilled enough to be sure that they won't use my computer for a purpose I can control
[18:28] <astraljava> Heh... it's anonymouos... not even themselves were always aware of all purposes their stuff were doing. :)
[18:29] <astraljava> re: The QR code breach.
[18:29] <knome> WHAT!
[18:29] <knome> no track names on the cd sleeve
[18:29] <ttoine> astraljava, ;-)
[18:33]  * ttoine is out for dinner
[18:33] <knome> bon appetit
[18:34] <ttoine> knome, are you french ?
[18:34] <knome> no, finnish
[18:35] <knome> i just love food and i think "bon appetit" is better than "hyvää ruokahalua"
[18:38] <astraljava> I'd love to hear a french, who's never tried to pronounce anything in finnish, say that.
[18:38] <knome> astraljava, bon appetit?
[18:38] <knome> i don't think that would be very interesting...
[18:38]  * astraljava facepalms so hard it hurts
[18:38] <ailo> astraljava: Might have the opposite effect :P
[18:39] <astraljava> Indeed. :)
[18:39]  * knome marks one more "X" to his notebooks for making astraljava slap his head
[18:40] <astraljava> Does it still hold together?
[18:40] <knome> barely
[18:40] <astraljava> I'm not responsible for that behaviour, though, so you can't hold me accountable for a new laptop.
[18:41] <knome> awwwh
[18:41] <astraljava> Oh, a paper notebook?
[18:41] <knome> yes...
[18:41] <knome> :D
[18:41] <astraljava> Right.
[18:41] <knome> i suppose that's one more cross
[18:41] <astraljava> I was going to, but then realized where this was going, and stopped in between.
[18:42] <knome> heh
[19:33] <len-nb> i386 has appeared again.... time to download.
[19:33] <scott-work> yay!
[19:33] <scott-work> sounds like cjwaton's fix did the trick, i wonder if amd64 is also there and working
[19:34] <len-nb> There is an amd64 with mar19 beside it.
[19:35] <micahg> len-nb: thanks for catching that last night
[19:42] <len-nb> micahg, NP, I want things to go forward too.
[19:43] <scott-work> knome: i probably misrepresented myself again WRT the slideshow package, i hope it was obvious that i did run the test-slideshow.sh routine, although i didn't actually build the package at this point
[19:46] <knome> scott-work, running test-slideshow.sh should be fine
[19:53] <ttoine> astraljava, knome, If we have the chance to met, I would be please to let you hear. ;-)
[19:55] <astraljava> ttoine: Would be a blast for sure. :) Maybe some UDS or similar convention, who knows. :) Or then we just have to come up with our own, and ask for sponsor money from The Big C so that Scott could fly across the pond. :)
[19:56] <knome> heh, or then ttoine just flies to helsinki next fri.
[19:56] <knome> ;)
[19:56] <astraljava> Well, there's that. :)
[19:57] <ttoine> Hum, to short in money at this time
[19:57] <ttoine> and i had been invited once to a UDS, as one of the founder of Ubuntu Studio. So I think I won't be invited again
[19:58] <ttoine> but if a UDS happen in France, or Switzerland, I will do my best to come
[19:58] <scott-work> ttoine: that may not be true
[19:59] <ttoine> scott-work, why?
[19:59] <scott-work> the release manager (kate stewart) stated that she would like the leads of the derivatives (if i may use that term) to go to the UDS
[19:59] <scott-work> and i certainly will not be able to attend every one, i believe there may be a chance for someone else to go in my stead
[19:59] <ttoine> I am not anymore part of the leaders ;-) or you hided it to me
[20:00] <scott-work> caveat:  i haven't spoke to kate about this position
[20:01] <scott-work> ttoine:  the structure of ubuntu studio is kinda murky currently simply because there are so few people involved (although that involvement is increasing)
[20:01] <scott-work> but i would gladly offer for those who are actively involved the chance to go to the UDS's where i am unable
[20:02] <scott-work> again, i have not spoken to kate about this so it might be an invalid consideration
[20:08] <ttoine> This year, I will try to be an independant worker again. And if possible I will try to give some courses at the university, etc..
[20:09] <ttoine> I did some courses about producing multimedia in the faculty of my City
[20:10] <ttoine> If I can manage to earn enough money as an independant worker, I will have time to spent on documentations and money for traveling, as I was in 2006 to 2008
[20:27] <astraljava> ttoine: Sounds good, hope it happens for you!
[20:30] <ttoine> astraljava, me too... let's imagine : be payed to teach how to record audio with Ubuntu Studio..
[20:30] <astraljava> Quite a dream gig, isn't it. :)
[21:02] <astraljava> For TESTers: check out testdrive package in the archives, seems to make daily testing so much easier. If it works, I just found out about it.
[21:06] <ttoine> so, I just did a trial with the -realtime kernel of Alessio. Recording a stereo track at 5ms on an old centrino laptop, with unity (compiz enabled) and the network manager enabled. so, actually, the worse that may be done.
[21:07] <ttoine> It works, except one x-run, but sound cloud removed it.
[21:12] <ailo> ttoine: I was running jackd with -p 32 for more than an hour, playing rakarrack. Not a single xrun with -lowlatency. About the same with --realtime
[21:12] <astraljava> Sounds like a good comparison setting for when the lowlatency is properly configured.
[21:12] <ttoine> yes
[21:13] <ttoine> ailo, what is the cpu of your pc ?
[21:20] <ailo> ttoine: This one is a dual core, 2.13GHz
[21:22] <ttoine> ailo ;-) quite better than  my old laptop. I keep it for day to day internet, and for testing the  system weight of Ubuntu and derivatives
[21:22] <ailo> I have two machines. The other is an AMD Athlon X2, around 3 GHz or so
[21:22] <ailo> I also have a good range of audio devices to test. Only lacking an usb device
[21:23] <ailo> ttoine: About 1 1/2 years ago I was still using a P3, 833GHz
[21:24] <ailo> Or, whatever it was. A bit over 800 anyway
[21:24] <ailo> I was just able to use it for live audio
[21:28] <ttoine> ailo, I have a usb device. I sold my RME hdsp two years ago for money, bad luck... I miss it a lot
[21:38] <Len-live> Mar 19 14:33:25 ubuntu-studio kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version 3.2.0-18-lowlatency-pae (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu2) ) #26-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 9 01:42:06 UTC 2012 (Ubuntu 3.2.0-18.26-lowlatency-pae 3.2.9)
[21:38] <Len-live> scott-work ^^^^
[21:38] <Len-live> The live iso now has whatever passes for lowlatency
[21:38] <scott-work> sweet!
[21:39] <scott-work> i'm curious to see how it performs too then
[21:39] <Len-live> def-settings is not new yet?
[21:39] <scott-work> when installed, of course
[21:39] <scott-work> Len-live: no, hopefully micahg is updating that and the meta today
[21:39] <Len-live> I don't see any sign of new menus
[21:39] <Len-live> OK
[21:39] <scott-work> which should make it for tomorrow's image
[21:39] <scott-work> i ahven't done the panels yet though :(
[21:40] <Len-live> one thing at a time
[21:40] <Len-live> Anything else I should look at?
[21:41] <scott-work> geez, i don't know at the moment, my brain is fried from both studio and work too :P
[21:41] <Len-live> I'll try installing then
[21:43] <micahg> scott-work: I can upload default settings and the meta tonight
[21:43] <scott-work> yay!
[21:43] <scott-work> thank you for all your great work micahg :)
[21:47] <Len-live> The slideshow is too tall for my screen, I can't see the infos at the bottom... progrees bar etc.
[21:48] <scott-work> Len-live: there is a good chance the slideshow you are watching is actually the plain, vanilla 'ubuntu' slideshow
[21:49] <Len-live> nope, that one is the right size this is ubuntustudio for sure. It looks nice by the way.
[21:51] <Len-live> The slide show does not "wrap around" like the stock ubuntu one does.
[21:51] <Len-live> I don't know if that is a good thing or bad...
[21:51] <scott-work> oh, yeah, i updated the seeds last night, so i presume the image now has that too
[21:52] <scott-work> and micah was right about including the -live-settings package, i was thinking about building the image and not updating the meta files
[21:52] <scott-work> Len-live: hopefully when you installed you should have a ubiquity installer that doesn't have the funcky background/text issues like previously
[21:53] <Len-live> So far so good. No artifacts during slide change either
[21:55] <Len-live> Using less /var/log/syslog with F to follow install because not bottom info....
[21:55] <ttoine> scott-work, If you want, tomorrow morning I can run the live cd in virtualbox and provide screenshots
[21:55] <Len-live> Like right now there is no drive activity, but it is downloading so ok.
[21:56] <astraljava> scott-work: The casper file will be uploaded tonight, so it's not on these images yet.
[21:56] <Len-live> ttoine, that may be too soon. lots of changes will happen right after.
[21:57] <Len-live> ttoine, Hi btw, I'm new here.
[21:59] <Len-live> astraljava, it looks like we need that new casper, things seem to have hung in the same place as before.
[21:59] <ttoine> Len-live, it was just to share a look on what it is at the moment
[22:00] <Len-live> No problem, just that the new menus will not show up till 18:45 or so server time tomorrow.
[22:01] <astraljava> Len-live: casper won't help with the hanging, that was about jackd2 reconfiguring.
[22:01] <astraljava> Len-live: bug #955617
[22:01] <astraljava> Well, _that_ casper file won't help. The bug is in fact in casper, though.
[22:02] <astraljava> Len-live: Colin has just now linked a new branch on the bug report.
[22:02] <Len-live> astraljava, ok, from what I hear the "new kernel" is in fact not yet right yet... so install is not that big of a problem yet.
[22:03] <Len-live> I saw that earlier that was why I thought that might fix it.
[22:04] <knome> ScottL, ?
[22:05] <Len-live> knome, I think Scott is on his way home.... scott-work just closed...
[22:06] <knome> i suppose too, i was having a PM with him and then he disappeared ;)
[23:09] <ScottL> knome, i'm home now
[23:09] <knome> ScottL, good!
[23:10] <knome> ScottL, https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntustudio