[15:43] <Rinchen> tyche, if there's ever a problem and I'm not around, just skype me.  The phone is except when I'm traveling.
[15:45] <tyche> Thanks.  I appreciate the offer, and I'll do my best not to abuse it.
[15:59] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: is the openid plugin a go?
[15:59] <Rinchen> boredandblogging, it's installed. I need to check today on whether the update landed
[16:00] <boredandblogging> ok, I guess then we need to figure out how to get other members of the community involved


[00:10] <mdspencer> what is the best method of testing bug fixes? VMs, chroot, sbuild, etc?
[00:10] <TheLordOfTime> fielder's choice?
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> i test either on my build-then-destroy VMs, or my old computer that is solely dedicated for bugfix testing.
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> there's many ways to test bugfixes :P
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> i think it depends, really, on what you're testing.
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> ;P
[00:11] <mdspencer> I've been using VirtualBox but that is VERY slow.
[00:11] <TheLordOfTime> really?  it works fine for me :P
[00:12]  * TheLordOfTime has 1.5GB of RAM of his 4GB dedicated to it on this laptop
[00:12] <TheLordOfTime> of course, i usually am fixing for Precise, so... ;P
[00:12] <TheLordOfTime> usually i am also fixing server packages so...
[02:08] <MxxC> greetings. how to get some attention to Bug #1047566 ?
[02:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1047566 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "Memory leaks when using NFS" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047566
[19:19] <hjd> I stumbled across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pixfrogger/+bug/484089 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pixfrogger/+bug/1075528. I'll mark the latest one as a duplicate of the older, however this seems to have been present for a long time. Besides adding unmetdeps tag, anything other I should do with it?
[19:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 484089 in pixfrogger (Ubuntu) "Won't work on amd64 because Fenix (dependency) it's not available in 9.10/amd64" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1075528 in pixfrogger (Ubuntu) "64 Bit: pixfrogger won't install" [Undecided,New]
[20:07] <micahg> hjd: the solution is to mark fenix and other associated arch specific packages as Multi-Arch: foreign, maybe tag the bug multiarch
[20:28] <hjd> micahg: Thanks, I've marked the duplicate and added the tag now.


[03:33] <Josephur> Hrm I need a vsftp wiz
[03:33] <Josephur> There's 3 things I cannot figure out and can't seem to find a good tutorial for that actually works.  Any takers? :D
[03:33] <rbox> ftp!? what is this, 1980?
[03:33] <Josephur> LOL
[03:34] <Josephur> It's still the easiest way for me to move massive web files around and manage em
[03:34] <akik> cool, age shaming is still a thing in 2024
[03:34] <rbox> not sure how that makes sense
[03:34] <rbox> but whatever
[03:35] <akik> you could just stop doing it
[03:35] <Josephur> Hey I was trying to figure out sendmail the other day til someone said switch to postfix you pleb :P
[03:35] <Josephur> now PHP is happily sending mail :)
[03:37] <Josephur> 1) When I enable ssl it no longer accepts connections (I think the service just doesn't start) and ufw has rules set for it, 2) how to make user only be able to access their own home folder only (I don't understand vsftp chroot), and finally how to make a public_html or similar folder that links to website or websites in /srv/www where I have stored them :P
[03:38] <rbox> links t o website?
[03:38] <Josephur> links to apache sites directories basically... I'm not sure if a symlink is the way to go?
[03:39] <Josephur> does vsftp follow symlinks? I suppose it wouild
[03:40] <Josephur> Hey at least the FTP isn't accessible via the public, only the local network, give me some credit :D
[03:41] <Josephur> I think its "man vsftp" time :P
[03:42] <rbox> not sure how this is "easiest"
[03:42] <rbox> lol
[03:42] <devslash> Josephur have you heard of tailscale
[03:42] <Josephur> I use ZeroTier One and Cloudflare Tunnels
[03:43] <Josephur> Basically a zero config vpn like tunnel similiar to tailscale
[03:43] <devslash> oh nice
[03:43] <devslash> what made you choose them over TS
[03:43] <Josephur> I've never used TS actually
[03:44] <Josephur> So once I found something that worked, and worked well... I stuck with it
[03:44] <Josephur> ZeroTier is free up to I want to say 50 devices or so
[03:44] <devslash> its really nice. with this, no apps are exposed to the piblic web
[03:44] <Josephur> Yeah cloudflare protects any public open ports which are only http and https at the moment
[03:44] <Josephur> and it super protects any login page that may be on the web server with 2FA
[03:44] <devslash> and with TS you get 100 devices
[03:45] <devslash> nice
[03:45] <devslash> does each device count as a node ?
[03:45] <Josephur> I think so
[03:46] <devslash> you get 25 nodes
[03:46] <devslash> for free
[03:46] <Josephur> Yeah it might have changed, I've used it for awhile I think mine is grandfathered at 50
[03:46] <devslash> yea
[03:46] <devslash> looks cool. really similar
[03:46] <Josephur> The only issue I have with it, is when I connect to some VPNS
[03:46] <Josephur> it makes that network unreachable
[03:47] <Josephur> however I think that's more a networking thing the VPN is doing than a ZeroTier problem
[03:47] <Josephur> I hope Cloudflare never decides to start charging for their Tunnels
[03:47] <devslash> well you can only use 1 vpn at a time
[03:47] <Josephur> right now it's a free service
[03:48] <devslash> yea
[03:49] <Josephur> You install the cloudflared client on a host on your network, doesn't have to be the server you want to have public access to but it can be.  Then you make firewall rules basically allowing only certain ports etc, it can enforce https only easily, and require multiple factors of authentication to certain paths on the server, etc etc..
[03:50] <Josephur> you dont need a public IP at all to run a web server with it
[03:50] <akik> tailscale is free foor up to 100 nodes
[03:50] <Josephur> your DNS points to them and it automagically redirects the traffic to your inside network, and if IP changes it immediately updates
[03:50] <Josephur> it'
[03:50] <Josephur> it's really kinda crazy :D
[03:52] <devslash> akik yea. it just works and you can easily access docker containers over https
[03:52] <akik> devslash: it's protocol agnostic
[03:52] <devslash> have you used it
[03:53] <akik> yes works really nicely
[03:53] <devslash> so youve used tailscale serve/funnel
[03:53] <akik> just the normal tailscale client
[03:54] <devslash> oh
[03:56] <akik> last time i installed it on my mother's computer in her city. now when she turns on internet access and the win11 laptop, i can access its vnc server from my home
[03:56] <devslash> you can also set up ssh very easily
[04:24] <rock8000> pizza
[07:24] <Guest87> hi
[07:24] <Guest87> is it SAFE  here to chat
[07:25] <Guest87> hi
[07:45] <Guest35> Guest87 yes its safer than other chat applicaations
[07:45] <NickH> Guest87: what do you mean by "SAFE"?
[07:47] <NickH> Perhaps https://ubottu.com/y/gl (also in channel description) will provide the information you are looking for
[07:48] <NickH> Gone :-/
[07:48] <Guest35> how to change nick name
[09:09] <machine> need help with setting up ntp
[09:12] <CosmicDJ> machine: then start asking the real questions
[09:13] <machine> i have tried to setup ntp client, however currently my ntp service status is failed
[09:13] <machine> along with chrony
[09:14] <machine> i have edited the conf file with syntax - service <ntp server ip> prefer iburst
[09:14] <machine> timedatectl shows ntp service inactive
[09:23] <Korvo84> hi, new installation of ubuntu studio 2204 shows enormous system windows and text size, no way to resize and make it smaller, screen resolution is ok. even after installing tested nvidia graphic drivers, nothing changed
[09:25] <Guest2704> Hello
[09:27] <Guest2704> whoami
[09:28] <CosmicDJ> machine: it's "server pool.ntp.org" in chrony.conf; not *service*
[09:29] <machine> @CosmicDJ i have my own local ntp server and i need to sync my linux machine to that server
[09:30] <machine> and i have edited /etc/ntp.conf
[09:30] <machine> i have not touched chrony.conf till now
[09:31] <CosmicDJ> machine: also make sure you don't end up with 3 ntp running services, there could be at least chrony, systemd-timesyncd and ntpd right now
[09:31] <machine> i have installed ntp and chrony both
[09:32] <machine> systemd-timesyncd will be already there
[09:32] <CosmicDJ> machine: and even with ntpd it's "server <ntp_server>" and not "service <ntp_server>"
[09:38] <machine> that was a typo
[09:38] <machine> @CosmicDJ i am using server <ntp server> only
[09:39] <machine> should i go with systemd-timesyncd
[09:39] <machine> only and remove ntp and chrony?
[09:39] <machine> i don't understand why ntp and chrony are going into masked state
[09:39] <CosmicDJ> machine: when all you need is a ntp client then systemd-timesyncd is good enough IMHO
[09:39] <machine> and after unmasking active (exited) or failed
[09:40] <CosmicDJ> machine: what's systemctl status systemd-timesyncd showing?
[09:40] <machine> its active and running
[09:40] <machine> i have removed ntp and chrony now
[09:41] <machine> now ntp service shows active
[09:41] <machine> after hitting timedatectl command
[09:41] <machine> and system clock synchronized is - yes
[09:42] <machine> however with ntpstat i can see that its not getting synchronized to my local ntp server
[09:42] <machine> how can i config my local ntp server using timesyncd
[09:42] <CosmicDJ> machine: timedatectl timesync-status should show which ntp server timesyncd is using right now
[09:43] <machine> yes, it is showing a different ntp server ip
[09:43] <machine> how can change it to mine
[09:43] <machine> i*
[09:46] <CosmicDJ> machine: sudo systemctl edit systemd-timesyncd
[09:47] <CosmicDJ> mh wait, that's just the service, not the config
[09:47] <machine> okie
[09:48] <CosmicDJ> machine: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-timesyncd
[10:20] <webchat92> Hello There, can anyone help with "Repository Server set-up" for Ubuntu 22.04.4?
[11:04] <Korvo84> hi all, new installation of ubuntu studio 2204 shows enormous system windows and text size, no way to resize and make them smaller, screen resolution is ok and application windows work good ad the right resolution and size. even after installing tested nvidia graphic drivers, nothing changed. system and prompt windows are unusable and unreadable
[11:04] <Korvo84> because of the size
[11:13] <Guest72> hey
[11:13] <Guest72> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/v6.9-rc1/ is this source from ubuntu
[11:13] <Guest72> ?
[11:15] <ravage> !mainline Guest72
[11:16] <ravage> !mainline | Guest72
[11:18] <Guest72> but is the source with the .deb pkgs from ubuntu? so https://kernel.ubuntu.com?
[11:18] <Guest72> I just wanted to try the 6.9 kernel
[11:20] <Guest72> oh wait
[11:20] <Guest72> god damn
[11:20] <Guest72> am I stupid
[11:20] <Guest72> I found it
[11:20] <Guest72> xd
[11:20] <Guest72>   amd64/linux-headers-6.9.0-060900rc1-generic_6.9.0-060900rc1.202403242136_amd64.deb is  this here the latest?
[11:22] <Guest72> do I need to install all of the pkgs?
[11:25] <ravage> install the _all package, and generic generic image, modules, headers
[11:25] <ravage> - generic
[11:25] <Guest72>  amd64/linux-modules-6.9.0-060900rc1-generic_6.9.0-060900rc1.202403242136_amd64.deb and  amd64/linux-headers-6.9.0-060900rc1_6.9.0-060900rc1.202403242136_all.deb?
[11:26] <Guest72> cool thanks
[11:35] <Guest72> guys ubuntu is the most insecure linux distro or?
[11:35] <Guest72> :D
[11:35] <Guest72> beside arch
[11:36] <Guest72> I mean I heard snaps and pacman is same security issue
[11:36] <Guest72> I even think emerge is on the same level
[11:40] <Guest72> am I unique that I try rc kernel?
[11:40] <Guest72> xd
[11:42] <Guest72> ubuntu hass so many hackers in here lol
[11:42] <Guest72> 1117
[11:42] <Guest72> is even more than on debian
[11:43] <kjetilho> nah, we are just lamers
[11:44] <Guest72> is ok
[11:44] <Guest72> still better than arch
[11:44] <Guest72> xd
[11:44] <Guest72> If I would like to gather maleware then I would take arch linux
[11:46] <Stoil89> Hello!
[11:47] <Stoil89> ? Is Ubuntu Pro possible to be used on Ubuntu official derivative such as Xubuntu, Ubuntu Mate, etc.
[11:47] <Stoil89> *official derivate/flavor
[11:56] <ravage> Yes you can add it to their LTS releases. But keep in mind the flavor specific packages do not get support for that long
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:06] <Stoil89> Thank you!
[13:18] <Korvo> Korvo84 12:04:10
[13:18] <Korvo> hi all, new installation of ubuntu studio 2204 shows enormous system windows and text size, no way to resize and make them smaller, screen resolution is ok and application windows work good at the right resolution and size. even after installing tested nvidia graphic drivers, nothing changed. system and prompt windows are unusable and unreadable
[13:18] <Korvo> because of the size
[15:30] <Korvo> hi all, new installation of ubuntu studio 2204 shows enormous system windows and text size, no way to resize and make them smaller, screen resolution is ok and application windows work good at the right resolution and size. even after installing tested nvidia graphic drivers, nothing changed. system and prompt windows are unusable and unreadable
[15:30] <Korvo> because of the size
[15:32] <ogra_> Korvo, did you accidentially enable some accessibility setting ?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> or window scaling?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> "screen scaling"
[15:33] <comph> hi, not sure where to begin... my title bars are gone in gnome on all apps/windows.
[15:34] <comph> i think it happened after upgrade, everything is updated & upgraded
[15:35] <comph> alt + tab doesn't work neither
[15:35] <comph> it's like the wm is malfunctioning
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> have you rebooted since running the update?
[15:36] <comph> yes, a few times
[15:37] <ogra_> do you have any gnome extensions installed ?
[15:37] <comph> the only thing i can think off is that i installed awesomewm some time ago, but it never worked
[15:37] <comph> no gnome extensions that i can think of
[15:38] <ogra_> to find out if it is a prob with the system or with your user settings you should create a test user and see if it is also broken if you log in with that
[15:38] <ogra_> (you can indeed delete that user afterwards)
[15:39] <comph> good idea
[15:39] <comph> it's xubuntu for the session, i can't change that it seems
[15:42] <comph> weird, no issue when i create & login with another user
[15:43] <ogra_> not weird, that points to some setting in your normal users session that causes the issue ...
[15:44] <comph> yes
[15:44] <comph> it's just that i haven't changed anything
[15:44] <comph> i wonder if it's a bug
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> you may have changed something a long time ago, that has only now impacted your session
[15:45] <comph> yea could be
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> you mentioned an extension of awesomewm that "never worked"... perhaps it is working now and causing the issue
[15:46] <comph> this looks more like something is broken tho
[15:46] <comph> not that awesomewm is loaded
[15:46] <comph> and the session says xubuntu
[15:47] <comph> not sure where to look even
[15:47] <ioria> comph, what's in ~/.cache/sessions/ ?
[15:48] <comph> xfce4.session + xfwm4-stuff
[15:48] <ioria> comph, back them up, logout, login
[15:50] <comph> yes
[15:51] <comph> the same files seems to be there
[15:51] <ioria> sure
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> comph, you mentioned a new user has a working desktop? maybe just make that your new user going forward and migrate your files over there, then delete the broken user and then recreate it, migrate everything to the new-old account?
[15:56] <comph> yes that will be plan b
[15:56] <comph> :)
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> there should be an "or" in there instead of the "and" in front of migarate
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> comph, you also could use a file compare tool and run that against the working user home and the non-working user home and see what files come up as different. See if moving those around improves the situation
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> Personally, I would just do the migrate out and back. Finding what conf file or files that are causing the issue will likely take a lot longer
[16:00] <Korvo> i didnt set anything about scaling and accessibility
[16:00] <oerheks> apt install -f or dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Korvo, still work double checking those things to make sure they're set as desired
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> work => worth
[16:14] <comph> yes that user seems botched
[16:14] <comph> i can actually use the other wm:s with the new user
[16:14] <comph> thanks for the help
[18:07] <zph1nx> is there a way to inject a script from cloud-init/config that is supposed to run at first startup, /etc/rc.local in this case? i've tried write_files: but it isnt even registering, this is a 20.04.6 system
[18:10] <leftyfb> zph1nx: are you just trying to run a shell script on boot?
[18:13] <zph1nx> leftyfb: im working on a no-touch installation iso, the idea is that rc.local takes over on first boot for the user, asks for hostname etc, ive tried adding it with write_files: but its not ever registering
[18:13] <leftyfb> zph1nx: why not just use the oem install?
[18:13] <zph1nx> and its quite an extensive 400 line script
[18:18] <zph1nx> and i can add post provisioner scripts in an oem install that will create an modified oem iso?
[18:19] <leftyfb> I was just referring to asking the end user to set the hostname on first boot
[18:23] <zph1nx> yeah, way more complicated then being asked for a locale, username and partitioning scheme
[18:23] <zph1nx> im looking for a way to get a rc.local onto the system for an intial boot
[19:23] <plastikman> why rc.local
[19:23] <plastikman> guess it doesnt matter he is gone
[19:23] <plastikman> heh
[19:25] <Vetheon> Hey everyone, can anyone direct me on common reasons for port flapping on ubuntu? I'm trying to get K8s API server to bind to port 6443, but the port keeps flapping on me. The k8s server has connection, then it doesnt, then it does, then it doesn't
[19:26] <Vetheon> Can anyone direct me on what I should be looking for? Because there's no firewall on the server anymore.
[19:26] <plastikman> sounds to me like services are crashing
[19:26] <Vetheon> See, I thought that too. But when I uninstalled K8s and tried to test the port with Telnet, it's still flapping
[19:27] <Vetheon> I can get stable SSH on port 22, but that's about it. I can't get any other port to cooperate
[19:28] <leftyfb> Vetheon: is this a hosted server?
[19:29] <Vetheon> It's a bare metal server with it's own IP subnet
[19:29] <Vetheon> Uplink works otherwise
[19:29] <plastikman> its not clear to me where port 6443 exists
[19:29] <leftyfb> Vetheon: which release of ubuntu?
[19:29] <plastikman> you said you "uninstalled k8s" and the issue still exists
[19:29] <Vetheon> leftyfb: 22.04
[19:30] <leftyfb> Vetheon: what other ports/services are you running that are "flapping"?
[19:31] <Vetheon> leftyfb: Right now, nothing. This is a bare install and I can only get port 22 to connect with anything. I can't connect a web server, I can't connect the k8s API server, I can't connect Telnet, everything is just "connection refused" except for SSH on port 22
[19:31] <leftyfb> Vetheon: telnet and a web server aren't installed by default
[19:31] <Vetheon> I'm aware? I installed one?
[19:31] <Vetheon> What?
[19:31] <leftyfb> Vetheon: also, never use telnet. Literally for anything
[19:31] <Vetheon> I've reinstalled this thing like 80 times trying everything under the sun
[19:32] <leftyfb> Vetheon: python3 -m http.server
[19:32] <leftyfb> run that and see if you can hit port 80
[19:32] <leftyfb> Vetheon: better yet: cd ; echo "hello world" > index.html && python3 -m http.server
[19:33] <Vetheon> That started on port 8000 for some reason, but I've got connection.   I have a k8s cluster running vanilla k8s on 4x intel nuc and have not had any issues talking to the k8s api
[19:39] <plastikman> and on 22.04
[19:50] <Vetheon> plastikman: I'm running it with kubectl and kubeadm. I'm not SUPER experienced with the various versions of K8s other than this one
[19:50] <Vetheon> oh, with containerd as well, not dockershim
[19:53] <plastikman> how are you "installing k8s"
[19:54] <plastikman> since you are saying that port 6443 is flapping, where are you talking to?
[19:56] <Vetheon> By installing k8s I mean installing k8s. Kubectl, Kubeadm, and Kubelet were not installed, so I reinstalled them
[19:56] <Vetheon> It's not really that ambiguous is it..?
[19:57] <naptastic> What controls the GRUB menu timeout? I'm using Ubuntu 22.04.
[19:58] <plastikman> Vetheon: which service is providing the pirt 6443 binding on your syste,m
[20:00] <vlm> is it "noble numbat" that will be next lts release? if so will the current package list for noble https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/allpackages?format=txt.gz be the same packages in the lts release?
[20:01] <vlm> im not very familiar with how this works with ill admit (,")
[20:01] <plastikman> naptastic: its in /etc/default/grub
[20:01] <plastikman> GRUB_TIMEOUT
[20:02] <BlueSmoke> Using Ubuntu20.04 video playback shows white screen with sound on chrome and brave! but works in firefox any idea where to  look to figure it out
[20:05] <plastikman> naptastic: after you change that i beleive that you have to run this.  `sudo update-grub`
[20:06] <naptastic> plastikman, indeed. That didn't work the first time, but when I also did `update-initramfs -u` it now uses the value I provided. (5s) Weird but ok.
[20:07] <naptastic> Thanks :)
[20:26] <Vetheon> Ok so I'm gonna reinstall Ubu on this node. I broke something lol
[20:27] <Overtale> Hello, everyone. I need urgent help with a problem with disappearing folders and files in those folders.
[20:27] <Overtale> Here are some possilby relevant details:
[20:27] <Overtale> * what happens: entire folders their contents and/or only some files from a folder suddenly go missing. One moment they were there, the next they are gone.
[20:27] <Overtale> * scanning my entire system (all mounted drives) with fsearch does not reveal the missing files and folders.
[20:27] <Overtale> * after rebooting, they failed to appear anywhere. Not in their original locations, not in trash, not visible on fsearch's scan.
[20:28] <Overtale> * system:
[20:29] <plastikman> Sounds to me like a failing SSD
[20:29] <plastikman> Vetheon: good luck
[20:30] <Overtale> Did my message get posted? or did I get blocked?
[20:30] <plastikman> You cant just start blastin lines in a channel like this
[20:32] <Overtale> Thank you for unblocking me. Here's what I was trying to ask on a pastebin: https://pastebin.com/H5YjdQqV; p: LinuxHelp240327
[20:38] <Overtale> (hope I didn't get blocked again for pasting a link, haha)
[20:39] <leftyfb> Overtale: what release of ubuntu?
[20:39] <BlueSmoke> uninstalled and re-installed vlc on ubuntu20.04 youtube ect still playing sound but white creen
[20:40] <plastikman> based on the ultra long paste is 23.10
[20:41] <Overtale> leftyfb: `lsb_release -a`: No LSB modules are available.; Distributor ID:	Ubuntu; Description:	Ubuntu 23.10; Release:	23.10; Codename:	mantic
[20:41] <plastikman> you have some strange requirements, like, why do yuou care if the disk sleeps?  its a power save mechanism and the machine will wake it back up when its ready to write, i would not trust that cronjob at all that yuo have writing to the disk
[20:41] <leftyfb> plastikman: the pastebin link doesn't work for me
[20:43] <plastikman> To me it still sounds like filesystm corruption.  its not clear what process is writing the files to one of the many available disks.
[20:43] <jeremy31> leftyfb: try this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wq8ZQjhc6V/
[20:43] <plastikman> Bad drives, file system corruption, issues with flushing cache to disk etc
[20:46] <BlueSmoke> is yhis the place to geyt help with lost video plaback ?
[20:49] <plastikman> BlueSmoke: I don't think that vlc has anything to do with YT video playback
[20:50] <leftyfb> BlueSmoke: check your video drivers
[20:50] <plastikman> if it works in Firefox but not other webkit browsers it seems like a webkit problem.
[20:50] <plastikman> i have no experience there sho
[20:50] <Overtale> plastikman: That's what I thought when it happened with disk B, and why disk C was added. Disk C is much newer, so shouldn't that reduce the chances of a similar cause? 2) re: filesystem -- checking the drive through disks-[drive]-check filesystem says "filesystem ... is undamaged"
[20:50] <BlueSmoke> It's all video playback even udemy
[20:50] <leftyfb> Overtale: possible bad memory
[20:51] <Overtale> leftyfb: you mean bad RAM on the laptop?
[20:51] <plastikman> that is a good call leftyfb
[20:51] <leftyfb> yes
[20:51] <BlueSmoke> I tried updating soe codecs and somewhere said that vlc add codecs
[20:51] <plastikman> that is why you get paid the big bucks ;)
[20:51] <Overtale> leftyfb: Assuming that's the case, how can I recover the files before going on with replacing the RAM itself?
[20:52] <leftyfb> Overtale: you likely can't
[20:53] <leftyfb> Overtale: maybe look at testdisk. But I wouldn't expect it to find anything
[20:53] <Overtale> leftyfb: Why would RAM disappear folders that weren't being copied / moved that exact moment RAM failed though? I.e. if file a.mp4 was being moved and the RAM failed, wouldn't only a.mp4 go missing instead of a.mp4 and a bunch of other files folder near it?
[20:54] <leftyfb> Overtale: I don't know. I have a feeling some information is being left out or something is running that you either forgot or aren't aware of that's doing this
[20:55] <plastikman> you can install memtest86 and check your ram
[20:55] <Overtale> leftyfb: What kind of things could be also relevant, in addition to what I've included in the pastebin?
[20:55] <Overtale> plastikman: I'll do that too, thanks.
[21:16] <Overtale> could too many small files cause the filesystem to become "overwhelmed" and kinda make it go over its capacity in terms of individual file entries it has? i.e. files getting lost because the system failed to properly record them in its filesystem, because it had too many entries (sorry if a silly question)?
[21:18] <leftyfb> Overtale: check dmesg for messages about inodes or other errors
[21:21] <marc_> hey i need help i got a sgin x15 laptop am trying to install mint but it wont boot into the usb any ideas
[21:23] <oerheks>
[21:34] <Overtale> Testdisk gave this (`;` = new line): Disk /dev/sda - 1000 GB / 931 GiB - CHS 121601 255 63; The harddisk (1000 GB / 931 GiB) seems too small! (< 1956 GB / 1822 GiB); Check the harddisk size: HD jumper settings, BIOS detection...; The following partitions can't be recovered:; Partition               Start        End    Size in sectors; MS Data<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>  314922129; (3 more MD Data lines like that).
[21:34] <Overtale> What does it mean? Sorry, I've never used testdisk before. And the "MS Data ..." lines are selecteable with a "continue" option, is pressing continue going to make it try to recover those sectors?
[21:36] <bprompt> Overtale: yeap, continue
[21:36] <bprompt> Overtale: it will try to recover, what it can from the sectors it can read
[21:40] <Overtale> selecting a partition just got me to a step that says "No partition found or selected for recovery". Does it mean there wasn't anything broken to recover or I should've pressed something else other than the enter / continue? Was kinda underwhelming. Also, will using PhotoRec before whatever TestDisk was supposed to do be a problem?
[21:42] <syphyr> I have a problem with the latest esm update for openjdk-8-jre-headless on bionic.  It seems that the file "jar.binfmt" was excluded from the package and this causes update-java-alternatives to throw an error
[21:42] <syphyr> update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/jexec for jexec not registered; not setting
[21:43] <syphyr> how do I report an error for esm updates
[21:45] <syphyr> the problem is with 8u402-ga-2ubuntu1~18.04
[21:47] <bprompt> Overtale: ahnn no, testdisk uses photorec to do the recovery
[22:28] <cryptonector> how do I control which kernel I'll boot by default?
[22:29] <bprompt> cryptonector: usually the boot menu will have entries for each
[22:29] <jeremy31> cryptonector: The newest one boots by default
[22:29] <cryptonector> for some reason the system keeps wanting to go back to 6.1 instead of 6.5, I think?
[22:30] <cryptonector>  /boot/vmlinuz is a symlink to vmlinuz-6.1.0-1036-oem, and /boot/vmlinuz.old is a symlink to vmlinuz-6.5.0-1011-oem
[22:31] <bprompt> cryptonector: maybe a quick "update-grub" will help
[22:39] <Vetheon> plastikman: if you're still online, good news! Reinstalling Ubu and switching to microk8s resolved things. Even though the config is basically the same... but it works!
[22:47] <cryptonector> bprompt: hmm, maybe;  is there a way to see what the grub menu would be like, but w/o rebooting?
[22:48] <bprompt> cryptonector: sure, check /boot/grub/grub.cfg , requires root or sudo access
[22:57] <cryptonector> bprompt: got it, it seems it will be the newest kernel; thanks!
[22:58] <garrettkajmowicz> On Ubuntu 20.04 LTS how do I switch from Chromium as a snap to a real application?
[22:58] <leftyfb> garrettkajmowicz: the snap package is a "real application"
[23:00] <leftyfb> garrettkajmowicz: to answer your question, it's linux, you are always free to compile chromium from source if you like
[23:00] <garrettkajmowicz> leftyfb: It's a pain to use. Trying to get printing working with snap packages and apparmor makes me want to find the relevant developers, fly to their house and yell at them.
[23:00] <pragmaticenigma> garrettkajmowicz, If you would like to have the deb packaged version: `sudo snap remove chromium` followed by `sudo apt install chromium-browser`
[23:00] <pragmaticenigma> however! that depends on the repository having the chromium browser in it still... It is still there for me on 20.04... it may not be for you
[23:01] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that just installs the snap
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> ??
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> did they go an butcher apt?
[23:01] <leftyfb> it's a transitional package
[23:01] <oerheks> did you check settings> applications > chromium ?
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> oh for sakes... somehow i missed the keyword transitional in the apt listing
[23:03] <oerheks> there is a cups entry, standard enabled
[23:04] <leftyfb> garrettkajmowicz: if the cups entry is already enabled and it's still not printing, try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/2025526/comments/13
[23:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2025526 in cups (Ubuntu) "Printer is not available in chromium snap" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[23:04] <garrettkajmowicz> I'm running KDE and not seeing anything that matches what you are describing. I attempted to edit the apparmor profiles manually, but wasn't able to find the relevant thing, and shouldn't need to do so for basic services like printing.
[23:05] <leftyfb> you don't need to touch apparmor files
[23:05] <leftyfb> garrettkajmowicz: pretty sure KDE has the ubuntu settings app
[23:05] <rock8000> sudo snap connect inkscape:cups-control did you do that but with chromium instead of inkscape
[23:06] <rock8000> i seen it on google now
[23:06] <leftyfb>  sudo snap connect chromium-browser:cups-control
[23:23] <oerheks> !rootirc
[23:36] <Overtale> gpt tells me scalpel can recover files from specific directory with a parameter like `"/media/.../FULL-PATH-TO-FOLDER/FOLDER" y` in its config file and cmd like `sudo scalpel -c /etc/scalpel/custom.conf /dev/sdX -o /path/to/output/directory`. Is this true? It feels like the  `"/media/.../FULL-PATH-TO-FOLDER/FOLDER" y` setting and the `/dev/sdX` cmd parameter  would be telling it to do different things.


[00:57] <IdleOne> what is the ubuntu-sso-client for?
[00:57] <IdleOne> !info ubuntu-sso-client
[00:58] <IdleOne> ahh
[02:59] <benjamim> hey guys, anyone knows if maverick will support GPU switching ?
[02:59] <benjamim> i mean, intel graphics <> Radeon graphics
[03:03] <arand> I have no idea, but not that this seeems to be the quiet time of the night for this channel..
[03:03] <arand> s/not/note/
[03:07] <benjamim> yep... you're right
[04:16] <soulpro>  /part
[04:57] <ZykoticK9> any ideas on gnome-shell not starting, getting output about mutter-warning API mismatch for libgnome-shell.so http://paste.ubuntu.com/454612/
[07:41] <DanaG1> error: more than one suite specified for show_static (dapper dapper-updates  dapper-backports hardy hardy-updates hardy-backports intrepid  intrepid-updates intrepid-backports jaunty jaunty-updates  jaunty-backports karmic karmic-updates karmic-backports lucid)
[07:41] <DanaG1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/amd64/
[07:42] <DanaG1> And this is entirely empty: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/main/newpkg
[09:34] <nperry> Odd apache got dep problems
[09:35] <tsimpson> welcome to pre-release software
[11:08] <BUGabundo> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[11:10] <BUGabundo> patdk-wk: thanks for the tip. jumper removed
[12:35] <DarkNemesis> do you know what type of encryption the milutary use for eyes only material (more top secrete than spying on other nations)?
[12:35]  * DarkNemesis wants and needs to have a encryption method that has ONE attempt and is impossible to break
[12:36] <jpds> Wut.
[12:37] <jpds> Ah, you also asked in #ubuntu-uk.
[12:49] <DarkNemesis> jpds,  yups i hope here may have some idea of how much i have to pay them to get such a way of developing type of code
[13:15] <gnomefreak> ok who like to try and reproduce a bug for me?
[13:15] <gnomefreak> s/who like/who would like
[13:28] <BUGabundo> which one?
[13:29] <leagris> bugs reproduce themselves quite well if they can harvest enough food
[13:56] <gnomefreak> we already got the bug fixed sorry
[13:56]  * gnomefreak goes for a smoke
[15:21] <Ian_corne> new updates drag in zeitgeist
[16:45] <Ian_corne> in software centre: Sorry, 'libgtk-directfb-2.0-0' is not available for this type of computer (i386).
[16:45] <Ian_corne> but but
[16:46] <Ian_corne> My laptop isn't old :(
[16:47] <Pici> rmadison isn't even reporting that the package is available for maverick.
[16:47] <Pici> Maybe app-install-data is out of date?
[16:48] <virtuald> maybe it's been removed?
[16:48] <gnomefreak> no its there
[16:49] <gnomefreak> if you mean app-install-data
[16:49] <virtuald> i mean libgtk-directfb-2.0-0
[16:49] <gnomefreak> that has been
[16:51] <Ian_corne> weird, I've got http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-dx-team/une/ubuntu/ added
[16:51] <Ian_corne> but the only thing showing up when updating is
[16:52] <Ian_corne> $ sudo apt-get update | grep dx
[16:52] <Ian_corne> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-dx-team/une/ubuntu/ maverick/main Translation-en_US
[16:52] <Pici> Ian_corne: I don't see any i386 binaries listed in main for that repo
[16:53] <Ian_corne> well, they're not supporting i386 anymore, only i686 right?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> yes
[16:54] <Ian_corne> https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/+archive/une
[16:54] <Ian_corne> also doesn't show any maverick
[16:54] <Pici> Ian_corne: Well, the arch in apt is still refered to as i386
[16:54] <Pici> i.e: http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-dx-team/une/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/
[16:56] <Ian_corne> i see
[17:24] <jpds> BUGabundo: dvd/current/ page back.
[17:24] <BUGabundo> yay
[17:25] <BUGabundo> tonight ill update my local mirror
[17:25] <BUGabundo> thanks for the heads up
[17:46] <h00k> I grabbed the daily build and I don't see btrfs as an option :(
[17:47] <h00k> for installing
[17:51] <h00k> Is it supposed to be available?
[17:52] <Daekdroom> h00k, yes
[17:52] <h00k> that's what I thought
[17:53] <h00k> I have Ext4, 3, 2, ReiserFS, JFS, XFS, Fat16, 32, and swap
[17:54] <om26er> daily builds dont even have btrfs-tools yet so no its not supposed to be. its in alternate cd I think
[17:55] <arand> Yea, it's partman-btrfs which integrates with d-i and there are no alternate dailies atm :( :( !
[17:55] <h00k> d'aw, alright. I was all excited to test it out on my netbook
[17:56] <h00k> or, alternatively, any of the CD's I can install and then just throw on the metapackage
[17:59] <h00k> so, it is on the alternate CD?
[17:59] <arand> Just asked about the alternate CDs in #ubuntu-devel: 18:57 < cjwatson> arand: I fixed a problem earlier today that affected them 18:58 < arand> cjwatson: Cool, so hopefully one for tomorrow then? 18:58 < cjwatson> maybe, I wouldn't like to promise
[18:00] <h00k> so I'll have to wait for a bit ;)
[18:00] <arand> I wonder if it would be feasable to run d-i from the live though... And how much hassle that'd be...
[18:01] <h00k> what is d-i?
[18:02] <om26er> desktop installler?
[18:02] <arand> debian-installer, it's the ncurser interface used in the alternate CD
[18:03] <om26er> :(
[18:04] <om26er> grub2 does not still support btrfs?
[18:04] <arand> s/ncurser/ncurses/
[18:06] <h00k> oh, oh. that.
[18:07] <gnomefreak> d-i == debian installer
[18:07] <gnomefreak> but i am not here
[18:08]  * gnomefreak starting dinner
[18:10] <h00k> I suppose I'll wait on maverick-updates mailing list to wait for btrfs-tools
[18:11] <PatrickDK> heh
[18:11] <PatrickDK> I have switched my root fs to btrfs :)
[18:11] <PatrickDK> you should too :)
[18:11] <PatrickDK> it was loads of fun
[18:11] <arand> h00k: btrfs-tools are already available, it'sthe installer that doesn't have them yet.
[18:12] <h00k> arand: er, yeah, I meant wait to see until the installer has it
[18:13] <arand> ah.  ...relogin...
[18:41] <h00k> So, my Unity interface lacks a clock applet
[18:47] <jcastro> make sure indicator-datetime is installed
[19:00] <h00k> oh, interesting, apparently it wasn't.
[19:01]  * h00k logs out and back in
[19:01] <h00k> oh, there we go.
[19:01] <h00k> jcastro: +1 internets
[19:04] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:38] <patdk-wk> heh, upgraded kernel again, rebooted, 525megs ram used


[12:14] <somerville32> Who is Rich Johnson?
[12:14] <somerville32> oh oh
[12:15] <somerville32> nixternal: Are you still working on UWN?
[12:26] <somerville32> Jenda: I replied to Mark :)
[12:27] <jenda> cool ;)
[12:37] <somerville32> tsmite: Want something to do? :]
[12:42] <somerville32> I made some cookies today
[12:42] <somerville32> I should decorate them with the Ubuntu logo
[12:47] <Burgwork> -news subscriptions are up 20+ today alone
[12:55] <Burgwork> I don't know ;)
[12:56] <somerville32> Burgwork: How do I register a new mailing list?
[01:03] <Burgwork> somerville32: you ask for it
[01:03] <Burgwork> what are you thinking?
[01:04] <somerville32> I was contemplating xubuntu-users
[01:09] <Burgwork> ah, ok
[01:09] <Burgwork> got enough use to split xubuntu up like that?
[01:17] <somerville32> We only xubuntu-devel
[01:17] <somerville32> *have
[01:17] <Burgwork> then go for it
[01:17] <Burgwork><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:17] <somerville32> Who am I e-mailing?
[01:18] <jenda> the Request Tracker.
[01:19] <jenda> Sir Request Tracker,
[01:19] <jenda> 24 Canonical drive.
[01:19] <Burgwork> somerville32: god
[01:19] <Burgwork> otherwise known as elmo
[01:20] <somerville32> If I say Dear God (aka elmo), would he get upset?
[01:20] <somerville32> *said
[01:20] <jenda> somerville32: yes
[01:20] <Burgwork> yes
[01:20] <Burgwork> I was joking
[01:20] <jenda> somerville32: at this time of the year, you should call him Santa.
[01:21] <somerville32> Are you joking again?
[01:21] <somerville32> haha
[01:29] <jenda> lol ;)
[01:29] <Burgwork> do it
[01:29] <jenda> I don't think he should mind that :)
[01:29] <Burgwork> there are others that mind respond, but anyway
[09:24] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: You around?
[10:46] <poningru> ok guys bad news
[10:46] <poningru> gobby will be down from 20th of december to january 4thish
[10:46] <poningru> switching services
[10:47] <jenda> aww
[10:48] <poningru> :( I know sorry
[10:48] <poningru> I wont be there
[10:48] <poningru> and my other roommate is kinda computer illiterate
[10:51] <jenda> poningru: can you check the moderation queue?
[10:51] <jenda> I'm unsure of one of the things.
[10:51] <jenda> carpediem @ global.co.za
[10:51] <poningru> hmm checking
[10:54] <poningru> hmm ic what you mean
[10:54] <poningru> I think we should probably forward that to canonical
[10:55] <jenda> To:

[10:55] <jenda> CC:

[10:55] <jenda> hehe
[10:55] <poningru> yeah saw that
[10:55] <jenda> poningru: someone thought ahead of you ;)
[10:55] <poningru> not sure if they check that email or not...
[10:55] <poningru> we should probably bug jane or someone just to make sure they know about it
[10:55] <jenda> I think we should let it through.
[10:55] <poningru> oh yeah most def
[10:56] <jenda> It's a little spammy, but not in a malicious way :)
[10:56] <poningru> and one of us should respond
[10:56] <poningru> irght
[10:56] <poningru> right*
[10:56] <jenda> I'm sure someone will, on the ML
[10:57] <jenda> poningru: when accepting emails, also consider whether the user should be added to the whitelist or not...
[10:57] <jenda> I don't think this one should, for example :)
[10:57] <poningru> oh hehe
[10:57] <jenda> Since I have no clue how to remove them ;)
[10:57] <poningru> :) yeah we should figure that out
[10:58] <jenda> And it's easy to do a mistake: yesterday I thought I accepted the sabdfl's email, but I musta been so excited I only whitelisted him, but deleted the mail :)
[10:59] <poningru> rofl
[11:01] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:01] <elkbuntu> wth was he not whitelisted already?
[11:02] <jenda> not yet :)
[11:02] <jenda> he is now.
[11:03] <elkbuntu> next person to see mitchm needs to harrass him about running sobby
[11:06] <poningru> hey if gobby.ubuntu.com could be forwarded to my server...
[11:07] <jenda> * WANTED *
[11:07] <jenda> Mitch Mahan
[11:07] <mindspin> did you all read this "Using Ubuntu in an animated studio" on the ml ?
[11:07] <jenda>   Reward:
[11:07] <jenda> Running sobby
[11:07] <jenda> mindspin: that's what poningru and I have been discussing :)
[11:07] <mindspin> ;-)
[11:08] <mindspin> canonical will surely contact them for support offers....
[11:11] <jenda> I'll forward it to Mark. Any objections?
[11:12] <poningru> nope
[11:12] <mindspin> not at all, although the mail went also to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:12] <tonyyarusso> Wow.
[11:12] <poningru> tonyyarusso: I know right
[11:13] <mindspin> it will show or awareness ;-)
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> That would so sweet if they put a big "Made with Ubuntu" notice at the beginning and it showed in theatres all over.
[11:13] <jenda> mindspin: yes, I don't know anything about that addy ;)
[11:13] <jenda> wooohoo ;)
[11:13] <poningru> tonyyarusso: probably at teh end
[11:13] <jenda> poningru: or in the corner the entire time ;)
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> poningru: either way, whatever
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> jenda: haha
[11:14] <mindspin> tonyyarusso: normally those "made with blah" lines are rather small ones ;-)
[11:14] <poningru> rofl
[11:14] <poningru> if only
[11:14] <poningru> still we can point it out to everyone
[11:14] <poningru> like at the theatre
[11:14] <mindspin> mentioned after the drivers ;-)
[11:14] <poningru> make sure to stand up and yell
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> poningru: I totally would
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Bring CDS!
[11:15] <poningru> "UBUNTU I WONDER WHAT THAT IS"
[11:15] <poningru> "WHATS THIS UBUNTU CDS HMM"
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> Point, and yell "Look!  Made with Ubuntu!  Anybody want it?"
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> Ya!
[11:15] <poningru> rofl
[11:15] <mindspin> but such a project could be good for canonical, good for (k)ubuntu ;-) and good for linux/open source at all
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> yep
[11:17] <poningru> oh guys try not to spread this around just yet
[11:18] <mindspin> what?
[11:18] <mindspin> ;-)
[11:18] <poningru> the clients might want some discretion atleast until the deal is finalized if not until the movie is released
[11:18] <mindspin> poningru: I was kidding
[11:19] <poningru> hehe yea
[11:19] <poningru> h
[11:19] <mindspin> after the contracts are signed, canonical will tell the world
[11:20] <mindspin> although I #m not sure wether ubuntu is "ripe" for such a project
[11:20] <jenda> I'm sure Ubuntu is ripe - not sure if there's any good software for Ubuntu to fill their needs.
[11:20] <mindspin> that must be deceided by the "tech staff"
[11:21] <mindspin> jenda: yup better expressed
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> personally, I enjoy the phase "defective by design"
[11:21] <jenda> hehe
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i use it often when talking about DRM
[11:21] <poningru> Admiral_Chicago: hehe awesome
[11:21] <poningru> woah
[11:21] <poningru> you go to a college?
[11:21] <poningru> which one?
[11:22] <poningru> dude have you looked into freeculture.org
[11:22] <poningru> ??
[11:22] <poningru> we are looking for more chapters
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: haha, yes i'm a sophmore in college
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: no but I have a F/OSS team here
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> link?
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see
[11:22] <poningru> freeculture.org
[11:22] <poningru> ;)
[11:23] <poningru> uf.freeculture.org thats our chapter
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll discuss it with the other guy that is big on FOSS on campus
[11:24] <poningru> awesome
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> we did a talk on Open Source, I discussed Ubuntu for half and hour or so
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> we are also doing an install fest, plus another talk
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got 7 new users in one semester
[11:25] <poningru> Admiral_Chicago: btw freeculture.org is an official partner of fsf on defectivebydesign
[11:25] <poningru> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/en/node
[11:25] <poningru> on the right hand side you can see the link
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> personally that is. poningrugood to hear, one of the Liberal Arts Intro class did a book on the hacker culture
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> started talking about RMS, free formats etc
[11:26] <poningru> awesome
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> if someone would have told me earlier, I would have guest lectured :)
[11:27] <xipietotec> I'm going to try starting a freeculture group as a student club at my community college, although it's not going to be specifically linux-centric
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, that's funny. I switched desktops and I was blogging about free software for a class.
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> forgot all about it
[11:29] <xipietotec> Mainly I just want to get the point across to rather disinterested college kids that people are working to steal their rights and that the RIAA/etc. are BS
[11:30] <poningru> sweet
[11:30] <poningru> xipietotec: :D
[11:30] <poningru> Admiral_Chicago: #freeculture btw
[11:30] <xipietotec> the one thing I want to work on is my video project..., it's a video short where *everything* has DRM.
[11:31] <xipietotec> books and art require spraying on a chemical license or the words and pictures disappear, food comes pre-packaged and only works in compatible ovens with built in expiration dates that cause the food to go bad, etc.
[11:32] <xipietotec> so far for what I've got for a storyline, it revolves around a kid who finds an old (pre-licensing regime) book, and inadvertently becomes a criminal
[11:40] <xipietotec> so um....yeah....hopefully it'll be a cool video
[12:17] <pschulz01> Good evening.. have people seen the email that just came through on CGI film studio in South Africa?
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> pschulz01: yep
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> It's on its way to higher ups to talk to them about it.
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> If they do end up deciding to go with Ubuntu, I'm sure we'll hear about it later.
[12:22] <pschulz01> tonyyarusso: Excellent!
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> Until then, probably better not to say too much, in case they don't.
[12:23] <pschulz01> tonyyarusso: As long as it's is being attended to :-)
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> pschulz01: Yep :)
[12:36] <jenda> OK, I'm officially delaying my t-shirt production :)
[12:36] <elkbuntu> :-/
[12:37] <jenda> I just got a poloshirt from the German LoCo team, and it is unsurpassable.
[12:37] <jenda> I can't beat that.
[12:37] <jenda> They sell tees for 10 and polos for 15
[12:37] <elkbuntu> oh?
[12:38] <pschulz01> jenda: Link?
[12:38] <pschulz01> jenda: Pictures?
[12:38] <poningru> jenda: dude thats kinda expensive
[12:38] <jenda> poningru: a bit...
[12:38] <poningru> you sure you can beat that?
[12:38] <jenda> but it's worth every stitch...
[12:38] <jenda> I mean...
[12:38] <poningru> isnt eastern europe a bit cheaper?
[12:38] <jenda> they are just perfect :)
[12:38] <poningru> hehe
[12:39] <jenda> we're neighbouring germany, so we ain't that much more to the east :)
[12:39] <jenda> In fact, Juliux, who I got mine from, is probably the nearest non-Czech Ubuntu Member to me :)
[12:39] <poningru> hehe
[12:39] <jenda> (and pitti, both Dresden)
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> My nearests are in Toronto I'm sure
[12:47] <jenda> Burgwork: ping
[12:48] <tonyyarusso> Shoot.  I had a question for him and don't remember it.
[12:50] <jenda> MenZa: looks like I'll be buying you a t-shirt from Germany ;)
[12:50] <MenZa> :O
[12:50] <MenZa> link .
[12:50] <MenZa> :O*
[12:50] <poningru> my nearest is gnomefreak iirc
[12:50] <poningru> he is in georgia iirc
[12:51] <elkbuntu> MenZa, pray tell, could you possibly get much more into that hostmask?
[12:51] <MenZa> elkbuntu: :D
[12:51] <elkbuntu> (i know there's other bigger ones..)
[12:52] <MenZa> jenda: I doubt I can do it this cheap any longer, my boss now wants me to pay $20/m foil
[12:52] <MenZa> A lot :\
[12:54] <jenda> Aww, well that's ok
[12:54] <jenda> http://diy.devubuntu.com/polo.jpg
[12:54] <jenda> elkbuntu: technically, no - only pdpc or freenode cloaks can group, and never both.
[12:55] <elkbuntu> jenda, longer nicks, dear
[12:55] <MenZa>  A POLO!
[12:55] <MenZa> Oh so awesome
[12:55] <MenZa> <3 jenda
[12:55] <jenda> MenZa: it's even more expensive than the coffee maker ;
[12:55] <jenda> ;)
[12:55] <MenZa> XD
[12:55] <MenZa> Size large, by the way
[12:55] <jenda> k
[12:55] <MenZa> And I'll get those stickers done asap
[12:55] <MenZa> We're doing an 8 metre print right now
[12:56] <MenZa> ...which takes a few hours.
[12:56] <MenZa> And we have four!
[12:57] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:57] <jenda> ok
[12:59] <poningru> MenZa: your boss wants you to do what?
[12:59] <MenZa> Pay for the materials.
[12:59] <poningru> what matierials?
[01:00] <MenZa> umm, the sticker-foil
[01:01] <pschulz01> jenda: The shirt look looks great!
[01:01] <pschulz01> looks
[01:01] <jenda> Contact juliux for those shirts
[01:01] <jenda> 15 apiece
[01:01] <jenda> 10 for t-shirt
[01:02] <MenZa> :O
[01:02] <poningru> oh
[01:02] <poningru> doh
[01:05] <jenda> plus shipping
[01:05] <jenda> oh well, you get what you pay for :)
[01:06] <jenda> There's no way I'm competing with high quality shirts that are a tidbit more expensive with cheap whacks.
[01:07] <MenZa> jenda: fantastic, finally able to speak German on IRC
[01:07] <jenda> hehe
[01:07] <MenZa> I suck at it, but I like speaking it
[01:08] <poningru> oh did I tell you guys about finding out that my parents router runs linux
[01:08] <poningru> the isp gave them a free router that has all kinds of wonderful stuff
[01:08] <MenZa> oh nice
[01:08] <MenZa> :D
[01:09] <jenda> shweet :)
[01:09] <poningru> yeah I was setting up wifi
[01:09] <poningru> saw a whole bunch of options that normally wouldnt be there in an average router
[01:09] <poningru> so looking around
[01:09] <poningru> turns out there is a configure file for the firewall
[01:09] <poningru> and guess what the text file is
[01:09] <poningru> iptables
[01:10] <poningru> I was like waoh
[01:10] <poningru> looked up the model number turns out they do use linux
[02:25] <juliux> hi all jenda said i have to join this channel ;)
[02:25] <jenda> muhehe
[02:25] <jenda> everyone, meet juliux
[02:25] <jenda> juliux, meet team.
[02:25] <jenda> or meat teem
[02:25] <jenda> whatever ;)
[02:25] <jenda> juliux is the guy you bother with t-shirts
[02:25] <jenda> :)
[02:28] <juliux> they are not my shirts;) only in my flat;)=
[02:28] <MenZa> hey juliux
[02:28] <juliux> hi MenZa
[02:29] <jenda> juliux: I know that type of stuff ;)
[02:29] <jenda> I've got 40 ubuntu tees on my flat too
[02:29] <jenda> but they're Czech.
[02:29] <jenda> MenZa: I heard you bought a shirt from juliux ;)
[02:30] <juliux> jenda, i have also 8000 ubuntu german ubuntu flyer, 500 ubuntu edgy dvd
[02:30] <MenZa> I did ;)?
[02:30] <jenda> MenZa: that probably means you'll be getting two
[02:30] <jenda> aha, I suppose you didn't :)
[02:30] <juliux> MenZa, he want one of the next generation;)
[02:30] <MenZa> Never bought any, told him to tell me when he was doing the next batch
[02:30] <jenda> juliux: 500 pressed DVD?
[02:30] <MenZa> With breastpockets!
[02:30] <juliux> jenda, 800
[02:30] <jenda> MenZa: Ah I see :)
[02:30] <juliux> jenda, 800er ;)
[02:30] <jenda> juliux: are they multilingual?
[02:31] <jenda> brb
[02:31] <juliux> jenda, MenZa want some with a a breast-pocket
[02:31] <juliux> jenda, yes
[02:31] <jenda> juliux: how much per DVD?
[02:31] <juliux> jenda, it is the normal edgy i386 iso
[02:31] <juliux> jenda, but with a german cover
[02:31] <jenda> but pressed :)
[02:31] <jenda> ah
[02:31] <juliux> yes pressd
[02:31] <jenda> well, that sohuldn't matter.
[02:31] <juliux> we presssed 2000
[02:31] <jenda> How much do they cost?
[02:32] <juliux> 0,70
[02:32] <jenda> neat
[02:32] <jenda> I might be getting some later.
[02:32] <juliux> 800 for us, 200 for an company 700 for an other association and 300 for a bookshop
[02:32] <MenZa> juliux, how much do you want to add one to the T-shirt jenda ordered?
[02:32] <MenZa> I'd like to see what kind of pressing this is :)
[02:32] <MenZa> brb
[02:33] <juliux> MenZa, i made a deal with jenda, he gaves me 10 posters i send him a poloshirt;)
[02:35] <juliux> jenda, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1885212#post1885212 ;9
[02:38] <willvdl> Does the marketing team use launchpad for any projects/products/etc?
[02:41] <juliux> willvdl, i think it is better to ask on the mailinglist
[02:42] <willvdl> will do. will search archives as well I guess
[02:42] <juliux> ok
[02:43] <jenda> juliux: hehe I'll be ordering another one for MenZa
[02:43] <MenZa> :O
[02:43] <jenda> I can either give you cash, or 15 posters for it :)
[02:43] <MenZa> :o
[02:43] <juliux> hm
[02:43] <juliux> cash is better;)
[02:43] <jenda> ok ;)
[02:43] <juliux> we also should speak about posterts
[02:44] <jenda> please tell me if you have some way of accepting paypal - it's a million times easier for me.
[02:44] <jenda> ok sure ;)
[02:44] <jenda> what about them?
[02:44] <juliux> yes we have a paypal account i think ;)
[02:44] <juliux> what was the production for the posters you made?
[02:44] <juliux> and who many posters you made
[02:48] <jenda> I made 500
[02:48] <jenda> and it cost me...
[02:48] <jenda> 290
[02:48] <jenda> well, 300, more like
[02:50] <juliux> it was din a3 right?
[02:51] <jenda> yep
[02:51] <jenda> I could get 200 A2s done for 35 apiece
[02:51] <jenda> err... 35 CZK
[02:51] <jenda> 1.25
[02:52] <jenda> would get cheaper going up
[02:52] <jenda> down to about 0.80 apiece at 500 i think, juliux
[02:52] <juliux> jenda, ok
[02:52] <juliux> i will check what it cost in germany;)
[02:54] <jenda> :)
[02:54] <juliux> jenda, 500 din a3 poster with 4 colors cost 206,25 in germany
[02:54] <jenda> juliux: I can guarantee we have cheaper shipping than you, though ;)
[02:54] <juliux> incl. shipping
[02:54] <jenda> ah
[02:54] <jenda> well, shipping posters costs me 3 up to about 15 posters
[02:55] <jenda> 4 up to 28 or so
[02:55] <jenda> and then goes by the 4 as it doubles.
[02:55] <jenda> err...
[02:55] <jenda> make that, goes by 4 per half-kilo
[02:55] <jenda> no... not true ;)
[02:55] <jenda> per 250 g
[02:56] <juliux> i didn't check the shipping prices from germany to the whole world;)
[02:56] <juliux> but a letter up to 2kg format din a4 costs 4,50 to whole europe
[02:57] <jenda> wow, that's a good price.
[02:57] <jenda> for those measures, europe is the same as the world :(
[02:57] <juliux> hehe
[02:57] <jenda> However, my experience says most of your users will not be from Europe.
[02:58] <juliux> perhaps i find a sponsor for shipping costs;)
[02:59] <jenda> wow
[02:59] <jenda> I didn't get that far
[03:00] <jenda> :)
[03:00] <juliux> perhaps not sure
[03:01] <juliux> hm posters are very cheap
[03:01] <juliux> 225 for 500 posters din a2
[03:01] <jenda> O.O
[03:01] <jenda> do it :)
[03:02] <juliux> jenda, at first we have to sell the shirts and dvds;)
[03:02] <jenda> hehe
[03:03] <jenda> I'll do what I can to help with that.
[03:03] <juliux> we spend 1500 for shirts, 500 for flyers, 600 for dvds;)
[03:03] <juliux> in only in november
[03:04] <jenda> wow :)
[03:04] <jenda> I didn't know the shirts were that fresh.
[03:04] <juliux> we have 50 shirts and 100 polos;)
[03:04] <jenda> They totally rock, though :)
[03:04] <juliux> and 50*8 +100*11 are 1500
[03:05] <juliux> jenda, just do what you did in the past;)
[03:05] <jenda> well, all the material you offer to ship globally will be featured on diy.devubuntu.com
[03:05] <jenda> that website will have a little banner at the front page of ubuntuforums.org
[03:05] <juliux> the dvds has a german cover:(
[03:05] <jenda> just like the announcement that hangs there
[03:06] <jenda> juliux: that's unfortunate, but you never know who might buy them :)
[03:06] <jenda> s/buy/want to get as a free gift in return for a donation/
[03:06] <jenda> and that banner on the forums is powerful, BTW :)
[03:07] <jenda> I sold about half my stock thanks to it.
[03:07] <juliux> we will try to get a link on http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu#buycurrent to the onlineshop of the bookshop
[03:07] <jenda> cool
[03:07] <juliux> they are selling the dvds but the profit goes to the community
[03:07] <jenda> juliux: OTOH, I'd appreciate a bit of an outward-thinking approach, too, in return ;)
[03:08] <juliux> otoh ?
[03:09] <jenda> on the other hand
[03:09] <juliux> ok
[03:09] <jenda> What i mean is looking at other projects out there that might appreciate support :)
[03:09] <jenda> the thing is, there are hundreds of projects on Ubuntu
[03:09] <juliux> sure
[03:09] <jenda> Some are digital, and don't involve money.
[03:09] <jenda> Some aren't - and gain money.
[03:09] <jenda> Some cost money :)
[03:10] <juliux> jenda, sorry girlfriend just arrvived;)
[03:10] <jenda> so I try to think of the redistribution ;)
[03:10] <jenda> sure
[03:10] <jenda> :)
[03:11] <elkbuntu> redistribution of the girlfriend? jenda, you naughty boy!
[03:11] <jenda> hehe :)
[03:12] <jenda> No, actually, i didn't mean that :)
[03:12] <elkbuntu> (i know)
[03:12] <jenda>
[03:12] <poningru> ok so I am gonna go request the source to my parents new router...
[03:12] <poningru> how should I go about it?
[03:15] <jenda> Yo gonna fork up me dem source or i's gonna bust a cap in yo' 'hind?
[03:28] <poningru> haha
[05:47] <somerville32> Good Morning Ubuntu Marketing Team! :D
[05:52] <jenda> Good afternoon, team :)
[06:03] <jenda> MitchM: there was some reward on your head earlier...
[06:04] <MitchM> Who was looking :-) ?
[06:04] <jenda> right
[06:04] <jenda> elkbuntu:
[06:04] <MitchM> Problems with her website?
[06:04] <jenda> She wanted to ask if you could run a sobby on your server.
[06:04] <MitchM> "sobby"
[06:05] <MitchM> as in a sad pos ?
[06:05] <MitchM> =)
[06:05] <jenda> yep
[06:06] <jenda> well, actually, she was more like ordering you to do so, under pain of eternal torment.
[06:06] <jenda> But I allowed myself to rephrase a bit.
[06:17] <MitchM_> Jenda: Yeah.  If you would like a seperate "global" sobby user I can also set that up.
[06:21] <juliux> re
[06:21] <MitchM_> and just create a blank directory to place your projets in.
[06:28] <MitchM_> elkbuntu, Just make sure if you start a sobby session to use the default port. 6522


[00:17] <emma> I'm really excited about the GBJ!
[00:18] <emma> Our virtual loco is offering a prize to the member of our team that accomplishes the most :)
[00:18] <bdmurray> emma: wow, that's neat
[00:18] <emma> I think so!
[00:24] <emma> That's the nice thing about tracking individuals work. It lets us see who on our team will do the most.
[00:24] <emma> It makes it a friendly competition which hopefully will motivate people.
[00:25] <greg-g> emma: it worked for michigan when 5-a-day came out, one guy was trying to keep up with me :)
[00:25] <emma> That's awesome greg.
[00:26] <greg-g> yeah, and we'll use it for the GBJ, of course
[00:26] <bdmurray> What will be used to measure accomplishment?
[00:27] <emma> bdmurray: the auto-reporting thing.
[00:28] <bdmurray> hmmm
[00:29] <emma> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/club-ubuntu
[00:29] <emma> Our Virtual Loco is right here on Freenode in ##club-ubuntu and we are going to give $100 dollars to the member of our team who does the most.
[00:31] <nhandler> How are you going to decide who "did the most"? Are you going to base it on the number of bugs the person touches?
[00:31] <emma> Yes presumably that auto-reporting functionality of the 5-a-day thing can make it objective?
[00:32] <bdmurray> emma: its dependent on the honesty of the user, there is no verification done
[00:32] <nhandler> Well, what if you have some people on your team patching bugs, and others just triaging them? A patch takes more time and effort to prepare. As a result, they won't be able to touch as many packages as someone who is only triaging
[00:33] <emma> We are going to focus on triaging. You see we have quite a good resource of ubuntu users, and this might be an experience that gets more of them involved with the community.
[00:34] <emma> ##club-ubuntu is a socializing community of ubuntu users. But it's such a vibrant group and fairly large, so why not try to harness it for something good. And maybe some of the people who get started in the Bug Jam will learn how to do more complicated things with bugs?
[03:35] <jjesse> should probablly head to bed
[03:35] <jjesse> gotta get up in a copule of hours and feed the kid... talk to you all tomorrow
[03:35] <lifeless> bdmurray: http://infovore.org/archives/2008/02/06/demonstrating-snap/ - I'm thinking bug triage
[04:51] <sbeattie> lifeless: indeed. I was thinking of a vaguely similar interaction for bdmurray's bugs with no packages page: provide the description and a form box that lets you enter the package right there, which would make walking through the list much less painful.
[04:54] <persia> Having a wnpp package to help trim that would help.
[07:04] <philwyett> Anybody seen or addressing the virtualbox-ose-modules issue in the updates repo?
[07:05] <techno_freak> it appeared for me this morning
[07:05] <techno_freak> "package virtualbox-ose-modules is not going to be installed"
[07:05] <Hobbsee> philwyett: there's a particular guy who usually uploads that.
[07:05] <philwyett> Yes wants 2.6.24-20 kernel
[07:05] <Hobbsee> blueyed, iirc.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> poke him.
[07:06] <persia> Hobbsee: It's not the modules: they appeared on schedule, it's that the modules are in -updates ahead of the kernel (apparently)
[07:06] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:06] <philwyett> Yes
[07:10] <persia> Hrmm.  Looks like a schedule issue: the -20 kernel is available in -proposed, but not in -updates.  More generally, perhaps it indicates a need for testing each update when it is moved to -updates.
[07:11] <philwyett> Maybe something to look at.
[07:11] <philwyett> I can cheat and install the right modules pack and install the meta later.
[07:12] <philwyett> Not ideal but has to e done. :-)
[07:12] <philwyett> s/e/be
[07:13] <persia> Or pull the kernel from -proposed.  Still, it seems to be a procedural issue: someone was testing the proposed update against -proposed, but didn't confirm it worked against -updates when it was going to -updates.
[07:14] <persia> As it was prepared to be testing along with -20.37 of the kernel, and testing instructions would have indicated a need to test with the -proposed kernel, it just didn't block later.
[07:14] <philwyett> persia: I've seen the the LP chatter for that -20 kernel and will give installing it a miss for now. :-)
[07:14] <persia> Isn't -20.38 better than -20.37?
[07:15] <philwyett> Not sure the LP thread was long.
[07:15] <philwyett> I will pull it on a test box.
[07:15] <persia> Anyway, the issue isn't the specific kernel, it's finding the appropriate way to ensure that updates that depend on other updates aren't promoted in advance of their dependencies.
[07:16] <philwyett> Indeed
[07:18] <johnny_bits> hi all, this channel is for ppl picking up bugs?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> persia: that keeps happening, yes.  i think steve wanted to do something about it, but i'm not sure what ended up happening.
[07:31] <philwyett> It should be fairy straightforward to create an updates validation process. Someone really needs to work with who is doing it now and map the current process and work with them to improve it.
[07:32] <persia> !SRU
[07:32] <persia> Bah.  I like bots.
[07:33] <philwyett> :-)
[07:33] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates has the procedure.  At issue is that there isn't a facility to map dependencies anywhere.
[07:34] <persia> When the archive admins copy the packages from -proposed to -updates at the end, they do so based on reports of successful testing.  Given that they are already busy, and non-automated mechanism for this copy would break things.
[07:35] <persia> s/and/any/
[07:36] <sbeattie> right, there just needs to be a step in the copy process that checks the dependencies.
[07:36] <persia> sbeattie: Any ideas on how to check that without a local installation?  Presume that a local copy of the archive is available.
[07:38] <sbeattie> persia: I was going to look at using/extending edos-debcheck to see if I could make it do that.
[07:39] <persia> sbeattie: That sounds like an excellent plan :)
[07:39] <sbeattie> persia: we also have the problem that we have stuff that exists in the release that's tightly bound to a specific version of another package, which will conflict when that other package gets an update.
[07:40] <persia> sbeattie: Surely that should be represented in the declared dependencies, no?
[07:41] <sbeattie> yes. It's "just" a matter of checking them, in a reverse depends kind of way (I think)
[07:42] <persia> Heh.
[07:42] <philwyett> I have drifted through the doc via the link provided by persia and ended up here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html and even that is well out of date.
[07:42] <persia> That ought be accurate within a couple hours: it's automatically generated.
[07:42] <sbeattie> philwyett: eh? That's autogenerated every hour.
[07:43] <persia> philwyett: How is it out of date?
[07:43] <philwyett> Generated: 08/05/08 06:10:07 UTC by sru-report
[07:43] <persia> (also, should we be having this discussion on -quality?)
[07:43] <persia> It's 06:43 right now.
[07:43] <persia> So it's 33 minutes behind.
[07:43] <philwyett> Sorry my bad.
[07:43] <philwyett> Read it slightly backward
[07:44] <persia> Yeah.  Having months in the middle makes more sense, but it's not that way by default in most locales :)
[07:44] <philwyett> Yes :-)
[07:45] <philwyett> For docs I do YYYYMMDD always have.
[07:46] <sbeattie> anyway, I seem to be in short supply of round tuits, so if someone else would like to poke at edos-debcheck (or some other approach) before I get to it, I certainly wouldn't object.
[07:49] <persia> sbeattie: I've some square ones if those would help.
[13:05] <persia> !ping
[13:05] <persia> !ops could someone help onepointfive not join/part so frequently for a bit?
[13:05] <persia> !ops
[13:06] <e-jat> persia, u wanna someone to join part
[13:06] <e-jat> ?
[13:06] <persia> e-jat: No, I want less of it.
[13:06] <e-jat> owh
[13:06] <ogra> and miss all the entertainment it offers ?
[13:06] <ogra> :P
[13:07] <e-jat> :p
[13:07] <persia> See, it means either I have to flip here every 15 seconds, or miss who is actually present.
[13:07] <e-jat> owh
[13:08]  * Hobbsee glares
[13:09] <Hobbsee> for some reason, the forwarding doesn't want to work.
[13:10] <persia> Too bad.  The forwarding tends to also provide hints as to how to get back.
[14:02] <bddebian> Boo
[14:10] <ogra> bee
[14:13] <bddebian> :)
[16:40] <bdmurray> mvo: ping
[16:41] <dholbach> hey bdmurray
[16:41] <bdmurray> dholbach: heya, welcome back
[16:41] <dholbach> thank :-)
[16:42] <dholbach> s
[16:50] <mcas> hi
[17:41] <mcas> can someone please change bug 255019 to wishlist?
[17:49] <bdmurray_> I think it is determinable by a key press
[17:51] <mcas> bdmurray_: but it would be better if you can see it directly or is it a big problem to change this
[17:52] <afflux> bdmurray_, mcas: f1 shows it
[17:52] <bdmurray_> mcas: I'm not certain how hard it is to change
[17:53] <mcas> ok thanx afflux
[17:55] <mcas> how should this bug handled now?
[17:57] <bdmurray> you could bring it up in #ubuntu-installer
[17:58] <mcas> ok
[17:58] <mcas> thanks
[18:00] <mvo> hey bdmurray! you pinged me earlier?
[18:02] <bdmurray> mvo: yeah, I was looking at bug 221540 and thought it was interesting
[18:03] <sbeattie> bdmurray: another interesting refinement for your unlinked bugwatch page would be to find other bugs that refer to the same specific bug watch.
[18:03] <bdmurray> sbeattie: I think that functionality exists in the lp ui now
[18:04] <bdmurray> If you add a link to a bug in a different bts that is already being watched there'll be a message saying that bug X is also watching it
[18:04] <sbeattie> it does, but only when you go ahead and link the bug; e.g. 252686 only told me about 228460
[18:04] <sbeattie> right
[18:05] <bdmurray> is that insufficient?
[18:06] <sbeattie> was just thinking it might tell you that the bug is probably a dupe more quickly.
[21:32] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping
[21:33] <bdmurray> hggdh: pong
[21:38] <hggdh> bdmurray, nah, problems between keyboard and chair... I was looking for the dateconfirmed_filter under the wrong directory
[21:39] <hggdh> :-(
[21:39] <bdmurray> Okay, I hope I was clear enough
[21:39] <hggdh> you were... you just happened to hit a brickwall this side
[22:15] <scuzzola> am I correct in assuming there are no open bugs?
[22:21] <pwnguin> buh?
[22:21] <scuzzola> I found them
[22:21] <scuzzola> (:
[22:33] <mrooney> bdmurray, persia, james_w, et al: I am applying for Ubuntu membership so if you have anything nice to say, I would greatly appreciate it if you left any comments at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeRooney today or tomorrow :)
[22:33] <james_w> mrooney: is it time sensitive?
[22:34]  * persia locks the wiki page
[22:34] <james_w> you're not applying in this CC meeting right?
[22:34] <mrooney> james_w: the meeting is Thursday, is that...too late?
[22:34] <james_w> mrooney: no, I'm just busy at this minute, so I'll add something in an hour or so
[22:35] <mrooney> james_w: oh yes that's perfectly fine! :) I was just worried that you meant it was too late to be adding info
[22:35] <james_w> not at all
[22:38] <mrooney> seb128: I would include you in my wiki testimonial request as well but I feel like you do so much work you probably don't even have any specific memory of the bugs we have worked in together :)
[22:39] <seb128> mrooney: not specifically but I can look to my launchpad bugs box if required ;-)
[22:44] <mrooney> seb128: okay well if you happen to find a minute or two later then, it would be greatly appreciated! (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeRooney)
[22:44] <seb128> alright
[22:44] <mrooney> I think the second half of my triaging work is better, if you are looking by date :)
[22:44] <mrooney> the first 6 months was a lot of learning!
[23:35] <jthan> Evening. I have some questions about "getting involved"
[23:37] <jthan> What exactly is involved in bug fixing? I know a little bit about programming, but don't know if that's even important.
[23:38] <nhandler> jthan: This channel is more for bug triaging. You might have better luck in #ubuntu-motu for questions about fixing bugs
[23:38] <jthan> nhandler: thanks.
[23:38] <bdmurray> There is can be a difference between bug triaging and bug fixing
[23:39] <bdmurray> jthan: which particular team are you interested in getting involved with?
[23:39] <jthan> bdmurray: the bug squad. Joined on launchpad/the wiki.. But I use Ubuntu a lot I figure in my free time (which lately i have a lot of) i could help out somehow.
[23:40] <bdmurray> Well, you've come to the right place then!
[23:40] <jthan> bdmurray: oh. Well cool :-)
[23:41] <bdmurray> Helping with bugs can involve a variety of things from assigning a bug to the right package, getting more details from the reporter, improving a bug report, recreating a bug and even fixing bugs.
[23:41] <jthan> bdmurray: okay. Well put it this way. I'm 14, I have a busted up leg so I'm stuck at home most of the day. Where's a good place to start?
[23:42] <bdmurray> jthan: something that interests is good I think.  Is there a particular application you use a lot or like?
[23:44] <bdmurray> Alternatively there are lots of other entry points to working on bugs
[23:44] <jthan> bdmurray: Well the most that I use is OpenOffice, Pidgin, Xchat, etc. General everyday programs.
[23:45] <bdmurray> Lets just take OpenOffice.org as an example
[23:45] <jthan> bdmurray: very well.
[23:45] <bdmurray> You can find bugs about that application at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bugs
[23:46] <bdmurray> A lot of these are already Triaged as indicated by the Triaged state
[23:46] <jthan> bdmurray: right...
[23:46] <bdmurray> However, in the filters bit on the right hand side there is a filter for New lets check those out
[23:47] <jthan> bdmurray: so these 38 bugs are all new and haven't really even been checked out, up to this point.
[23:47] <bdmurray> jthan: that is the idea yes
[23:47] <jthan> bdmurray: I see.
[23:47] <bdmurray> lets look at the one at the bottom of the list since it is the newest
[23:48] <jthan> bdmurray: okay
[23:49] <bdmurray> I'm having a hard time making sense of the steps but we are in luck as this seems to have a test document
[23:49] <jthan> bdmurray: yeah the instructions aren't great.
[23:50] <jthan> I can't open it now, unfortunately.
[23:52] <bdmurray> okay, well I've opened the document and I'm not having an immediate problem with it
[23:53] <jthan> bdmurray: Are you on Kubuntu? Looks like that's where it was noted to have problems.
[23:53] <bdmurray> jthan: actually no, but I'd be surprised if it requires it
[23:54] <bdmurray> from what I can make of step 3 I think I am supposed to do something
[23:55] <jthan> bdmurray: It's hard to tell.
[23:56] <bdmurray> yeah!
[23:56] <bdmurray> I think I figured it out
[23:57] <jthan> bdmurray: w00t! lol. Explain?
[23:58] <bdmurray> 3. Select cells A5 to A3, starting with A5 and rename the range to something.  Then press enter 3 times which will move the selection box to a5 and openoffice will hang.
[23:58] <jthan> Oh.
[23:59] <bdmurray> So, I'll try it again just to be sure, then update the instructions and set the bug's status to confirmed
[23:59] <jthan> bdmurray: so even by confirming that these bugs are indeed broken, is a help?


[00:23] <kc2bez> focal.3 release notes have been started https://notes.lubuntu.me/mqFjqgsfQaO7liv-dzMHWQ?both
[03:29] <guiverc> ack & thanks kc2bez ...  I'll have a look when I can  (just back from 2nd covid shot; will walk the dog before it rains..)
[05:45] <guiverc> kc2bez, i won't comment on notes.lubu (I don't like how it looks), so far  we have a link that doesn't exist yet (likely will & thus just needs monitor), have changed manual link to include /lts/ (ie. go to 20.04 manual not 21.04);   still reading
[05:46] <guiverc> fyi:  don't like how it looks; ie. my adding & tagging comments on page..  (what you wrote looks great)
[07:51] <guiverc> the known issues is missing links; will add them (copy from 20.04.2)
[07:53] <guiverc> a couple of them had links; is there a reason some were left off?  (I've added them from 20.04.2 release notes)
 I'm not sure why they didn't transfer over.
 Thanks for fixing them
 I didn't really change too much, I just wanted to get started on it.
[11:25] <guiverc> I didn't see anything missing, It looked good to me (as far as I remember, i remember little now..)
[13:46] <apt-ghetto> kc2bez teward RikMills tsimonq2 thank you very much for your time, help and sponsoring!
[13:48] <apt-ghetto> I think my next project will be the SRU for bug 1875774
 A large thank you in your direction too. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <apt-ghetto> kc2bez teward RikMills tsimonq2 thank you very much for your time, help and sponsoring!)
[13:50] <apt-ghetto> No problem, I had some free time
 That sounds good, would you make a task for that please? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <apt-ghetto> I think my next project will be the SRU for bug 1875774)
[13:51] <apt-ghetto> Yes
[15:13] <teward> no need to thank me for just exercising my upload powers xD
[15:14] <teward> i do that semi-regularly


[00:18] <SergioMeneses> balloons, around?
[00:47] <balloons> SergioMeneses, I am at th emoment
[00:47] <SergioMeneses> pm
[01:46] <phillw> balloons: still around?
[01:46] <balloons> phillw, pong
[01:46] <balloons> kinda of
[01:47] <phillw> pm okay?
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, I've got no unity, have you seen this bug before?
[05:26] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <jibel> good morning
[08:45] <Noskcaj> is saucy meant to be in testdrive?
[14:38] <smartboyhw_> Hey SergioMeneses and balloons
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> I hope that balloons isn't in Disneyland now:P
[14:39] <balloons> hey smartboyhw_
[14:39] <balloons> lol.. I actually rather dislike amusement parks
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> \o/
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Aren't we supposed to have release parties?
[14:39] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, \o
[14:39] <SergioMeneses> balloons, great!
[14:39] <balloons> smartboyhw_, yes, but we canned it
[14:39] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, yest
[14:40] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Why?
[14:40] <smartboyhw_> And we = ?
[14:40] <balloons> too much, too fast, too soon :-)
[14:40] <balloons> basically we found out schedules conflicted too much, so we pushed it back
[14:40] <balloons> as in, we never scheduled it
[14:40] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Your fault:P
[14:40] <smartboyhw_> LOL
[14:41] <balloons> the testdrive thing was meant for today too
[14:41] <balloons> as part of it.. it's all TBD still
[14:41]  * smartboyhw_ is suddenly more into development :O
[14:41] <balloons> have to make sure you can attend :)
[14:41] <smartboyhw_> For Saucy
[14:41] <SergioMeneses> we have new members in the loco-council
[14:42] <smartboyhw_> SergioMeneses: I know. Please send them my congrats
[14:44] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, :)
[15:19] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/04/26/pablo-rubianes-and-marcos-costales-appointed-to-the-lococouncil/
[15:19] <SergioMeneses> lol
[15:20] <balloons> that's the late night meeting council right?
[15:21] <smartboyhw_> balloons: what what?
[15:21] <SergioMeneses> balloons, what council?
[15:22] <balloons> smartboyhw_, lol.. SergioMeneses was meeting really late at night one night
[15:22] <balloons> I was wondering if that was the lococouncil meeting
[15:22] <balloons> I couldn't remember
[15:22] <SergioMeneses> balloons, no no... it was a ubuntu-colombian team meeting
[15:23] <smartboyhw_> lol
[15:23] <SergioMeneses> LC meeting are at 20:00UTC
[15:40] <smartboyhw_> balloons, SergioMeneses I'm signing off see ya
[15:41] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, see you
[17:54] <phillw> balloons: well, 24 hours on.... It has been pleasantly quiet on support areas!
[17:54] <balloons> phillw, :-)
[17:55] <balloons> I'm enjoying reading the zero day bug laments
[17:56] <phillw> balloons: well, we did get one minor one on lubuntu. And a bug that we couldn't have fore-seen regarding someone updgrading their system using ssh :D
[17:56] <balloons> please tell me they used screen
[17:56] <balloons> please please
[17:58] <phillw> balloons: it left a file in place, once deleted all was sweet in the world. I'd have never worked it out, but Brian Murray had seen it before and knew the solution :)
[17:58] <balloons> gotcha :-)
[17:59] <phillw> balloons: so, did you have a read of the email from Julien about the possibility of us not having a 13.10?
[18:01] <balloons> from a user perspective, I like it
[18:01] <balloons> alot
[18:01] <phillw> one of the guys on the mailing list has pointed out a problem.... desktops are only supported for 9 months :/
[18:02] <balloons> hmm.. and lubuntu didn't have an LTS
[18:02] <phillw> nope.
[18:02] <balloons> that would mean you would tell people to not move from 12.10
[18:02] <balloons> heh
[18:02] <balloons> see why it's important to declare this now?
[18:02] <balloons> :-)
[18:03] <balloons> my thoughts are the same I suppose. The release team would have to agree, but I think you have to decide now, not halfway through
[18:03] <phillw> indeed, it's why Julien threw it out for discussion as soon as concentration was switched from 13.04 release
[18:03] <balloons> and etheir way, I think you'll end up making images, so there will be confusion potentially on what the 13.10 image for lubuntu i
[18:03] <balloons> *is
[18:04] <phillw> I'll have a chat with Julien.
[18:04] <balloons> overall, I like the idea a alot of making a really nice 14.04, then potentially changing the project direction
[18:05] <balloons> I'm not so sure you have to skip a release persay to do it.. again, I was always in favor of flavors supporting LTS's only beyond the normal time of running a non-lts
[18:05] <phillw> Yeah, but the usual problem of not having enough developers :'(
[18:05] <balloons> much like what has now happened
[18:05] <balloons> 13.04 for 9 months, then done.. if your non-lts, you keep going
[18:06] <balloons> since you effectively have no lts version, it could be a bit stickier, but it's not like your not supporting 12.04 or 12.10
[18:06] <balloons> so there are options
[18:06] <phillw> balloons: the problem there is that 'ubuntu' components such as kernel etc.... will not be there.
[18:06] <balloons> you can't roll support beyond what ubuntu itself has agreed sure
[18:10] <phillw> I don't think that lubuntu could turn 12.04 into an LTS, besides which, the TB rules state that 12.04 can't be an LTS as it was only our second release and you have to have had two prior releases before issuing an LTS.
[18:12] <phillw> balloons: when does support of 12.10 run out?
[18:12] <phillw> I recall you saying it has an EoL after 13,04?
[18:13] <balloons> yes
[18:13] <phillw> does it last until 14.04?
[18:13] <balloons> yes
[18:14] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:14] <phillw> Hmm, okies. It gives a rather extreme option
[18:14] <balloons> heh
[18:14] <phillw> I can find it, I just kewn you would know it by heart :D
[18:14] <phillw> *knew*
[18:15] <phillw> so, could lubuntu make a 12.10.1 ?
[18:15] <balloons> lol
[18:15] <balloons> I'm pointing out things
[18:15] <balloons> think about it
[18:17] <phillw> balloons: I don't follow?
[18:18] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, I want znc 1.0
[18:19] <balloons> phillw, I'm saying think about what you might want to do, in light of everything you know
[18:19] <balloons> off the cuff, no making 12.10.1 isn't a real proposal
[18:19] <phillw> balloons: which version are they currently using on trekweb?
[18:19] <balloons> I've no idea.. I simply want the 1.0 feature, and precise has the old series
[18:19] <balloons> so I'm vocally whining to TheLordOfTime :-)
[18:20] <balloons> mostly for fun, but also to see if he knows how best to get it
[18:20] <phillw> balloons: okies, I only host a couple of VM's for them, I don't understand it :P
[18:20] <balloons> if there's no other way, I'll one-off pull the package back
[18:21] <balloons> but I would really rather not do that
[18:21] <balloons> I'm migrating my installation, so now is the time.. I'd rather stay on precise, but..
[18:22] <balloons> ohh yay! grating my installation, so now is the time.. I'd rather stay on precise, but..
[18:22]  * balloons facepalms
[18:22] <balloons> i swore I check backports.. grumble
[18:22] <balloons> someone else did the work :-)
[18:23] <phillw> balloons: he has trekweb on 12.04 LTS, he didn't want 12.10
[18:23] <phillw> p --> q should not hurt too much :D
[18:23] <balloons> I don't need to upgrade etheir
[18:23] <balloons> I wasn't going to upgrade just to get it trust me
[18:25] <phillw> As I know virtually zilch about znc, except it is a cloaking service. I'll let you chat to him. I know virtually zero about ToR, but I host a relay for them :)
[18:25] <balloons> problem is solved now.. I get 1.0.. of course I may fail to set it up, but we'll see on that
[18:26] <phillw> Speaking of which.... I haven't run the update on that VM
[18:26] <phillw> in quite a while
[18:27] <phillw> bbs I now feel gulty
[18:32] <balloons> hggdh, howdy :-)
[18:33] <hggdh> balloons: heya, sir, happy (delayed) release day :-)
[18:34] <balloons> indeed.. happy post-release day
[18:34] <balloons> it's like waking up from a party that went on a little too long :-p
[18:34] <balloons> in a good way!
[18:34] <balloons> how are you?
[18:35] <hggdh> and knowing that the preparations for a new party are starting...
[18:35] <hggdh> good, but quite more busy than I expected :-)
[18:35] <balloons> ahh.. the honeymoon period didn't happen for you eh
[18:36] <balloons> no fun :-(
[18:36] <hggdh> could not test much, still have a coreutils patch to propose (or not, perhaps now is too late), etc
[18:36] <hggdh> no honeymoon.  Is life good?
[18:58] <plars> hggdh: raring is out, life has calmed down for a few minutes, but not for long :)
[18:59] <hggdh> heh
[18:59] <plars> some sort of lizard sauce for lunch next week I hear
[18:59] <hggdh> now it is the week for rest, before UDS ;-)
[19:00] <hggdh> which I am not sure I will be able to attend, unfortunately, not enough time to request time off
[19:01] <balloons> hggdh, UDS is vUDS now
[19:01] <plars> hggdh: keeping you busy I guess?
[19:01] <plars> hggdh: hopefully you have everyone converted to ubuntu by now
[19:01] <hggdh> balloons: I know, but still during (or preceeding) work hours
[19:01] <plars> hggdh: for S, you can get them all testing isos right?
[19:02] <hggdh> plars: rather busy, and I am trying :-)
[19:02] <SergioMeneses> vUDS is rare
[19:02] <hggdh> plars: they are jumping in the cloud wagon, but I am not sure I will be able to steer them to something decent
[19:02] <plars> hggdh: if they are looking at cloud, ubuntu is definitely the clear choice
[19:02] <hggdh> plars: heh, I can. I am not sure they will authorise me to install them, though
[19:03] <hggdh> plars: I already suggested looking at it, and looking at how the market is positioned. Got back a sleazy talk about how vmware is their virtualisation provider of choice
[19:04] <hggdh> plars: I almost stated that then they did not have a choice
[19:04] <plars> ubuntu runs fine on vmware, I don't see a problem there
[19:04] <balloons> :-p
[19:05] <hggdh> yeah. But what I would like to see is a REAL, honest, 100% pure cloud, like, ah, openstack, plus juju, etc
[19:05] <hggdh> and, guess what? Ubuntu on both the back-end and front-end
[19:07] <plars> hggdh: of course, so just take what they are doing, put together some juju scripts, and show them how easily you can make it 436.2% more awesome doing it that way :)
[19:08] <hggdh> that's my intention :-)


[04:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you still around?
[13:21] <fta2> chrisccoulson, are the ff crash dumps resolved in breakpad?
[13:21] <fta2> i mean, in the UI
[13:21] <fta2> like here: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/410b7810-9278-40b2-92da-846972110217
[13:22] <fta2> everything i see is unusable (at least from my p-o-v)
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - yeah, those crashes are awkward because there are no symbols for system libraries
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> most crashes are ok though
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> the crashes are resolved by sorocco btw
[13:23] <fta2> oh
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> http://code.google.com/p/socorro/
[13:23] <fta2> sorocco?
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we need to figure out a way of generating breakpad symbols from gtk and glib ;)
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> although, most crashes don't really need them
[13:25] <fta2> for chromium, it seems it's possible
[13:33] <fta2> well, seems difficult to achieve anyway
[13:33] <fta2> http://www.chromium.org/developers/decoding-crash-dumps
[13:34] <fta2> we'd need to generate those for all versions of all the libs in deps
[13:34] <fta2> and something will have to merge the right combination of files
[13:35] <fta2> chrisccoulson, ^^
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - interesting. it actually looks quite trivial to get breakpad symbols from our existing -dbgsym packages then
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> fta^^
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> i could probably quite easily do that for the major system libraries used by both firefox and chromium
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure whether we'd really need to do it for every library though
[16:34] <fta> chrisccoulson, yep, i wanted to ship those breakpad binaries in a package, somewhere; but i didn't do it, so far
[16:36] <fta> those various symbols need to be merged after each crash, matching the user setup
[16:47] <fta> dpm, fyi: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=72749
[16:48] <dpm> hey fta, looking...
[16:56] <dpm> fta, I understant that apart from the *_settings.grd issue you are mentioning (IIRC we talked about this a while ago), this is not an issue for the Ubuntu builds? Do we need to ask for feedback to e.g. Basque and Galician translators?
[16:58] <fta> dpm, no. the bug is about ICU, i don't use the system one, so we're impacted. but our system icu doesn't have all the improvements google added to its copy
[16:58] <fta> the problem is we can't have both.
[17:02] <fta> for example; chrome's icu support word wrapping for chinese, ours doesn't
[17:03] <fta> ours = the system lib
[17:23] <vish> did firefox use to have an option to view individual cache items? like sort/clear cache from individual websites?
[17:23]  * vish cant seem to find that option in FF4
[17:24] <micahg> vish: about:cache
[17:24] <micahg> err, individual sites, idr
[17:25] <vish> or maybe I'm just mixing it up with the cookies options..
[17:50] <fta> jdstrand, hi.  [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=<my_ipv6_addr> DST=ff02:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:00fb LEN=126 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=255 FLOWLBL=0 PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=86, it's mDNS, right?
[17:55] <jdstrand> fta: yeah
[17:55] <fta> jdstrand, shouldn't it be allowed & silenced by default?
[17:56] <jdstrand> that is probably bug #720605
[17:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 720605 in ufw "UFW drops sane multicast traffic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720605
[17:57] <jdstrand> I need to review it more. there is an (unreviewed) work-around in the bug
[17:58] <fta> i see no side effect to my drops, i don't expect any mDNS on that box
[17:59] <fta> in the log, i see 1 pkt denied per hour
[17:59] <jdstrand> fta: what is your log level? 'sudo ufw status verbose'
[18:01] <fta> Logging: off
[18:01] <fta> but still, it spams my logs
[18:01] <jdstrand> that is weird
[18:02] <fta> # dmesg | grep -c UFW
[18:02] <fta> 1489
[18:02] <fta> with AUDIT, ALLOW and BLOCK
[18:02] <jdstrand> fta: do any lof your rules have 'log' in them? sudo ufw status verbose|grep -i log
[18:03] <fta> none
[18:03] <fta> # ufw status verbose | grep -i log
[18:03] <fta> Logging: off
[18:03] <jdstrand> weird. AUDIT suggests loglevel of medium
[18:03] <jdstrand> (or higher)
[18:03] <jdstrand> actually, maybe high
[18:03] <jdstrand> fta: what is LOGLEVEL in /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
[18:04] <fta> LOGLEVEL=off
[18:04] <fta> :)
[18:04] <fta> i checked that already
[18:04] <jdstrand> fta: did you restart the firewall after adjust that? (or rebooting)
[18:05] <fta> restart
[18:05] <jdstrand> fta: if you used 'sudo ufw logging off' you wouldn't have to
[18:06] <fta> i don't think i did
[18:06] <jdstrand> fta: did you change /etc/ufw/*rules ny?
[18:06] <jdstrand> s/ny/any/
[18:06] <fta> manually? no
[18:06] <jdstrand> fta: what version of Ubuntu is this on?
[18:06] <fta> and it's not supposed to be changed manually, it shouldn't be in /etc..
[18:06] <fta> natty
[18:07] <fta> +if
[18:07] <jdstrand> fta: it can be changed manually, you just have to manually reload the firewall for it to take effect
[18:08] <jdstrand> (using the ufw command does that for you)
[18:08] <jdstrand> fta: is this only for ipv6 packets?
[18:08] <fta> no, everything
[18:10] <jdstrand> fta: I'd have to look at your configuration to debug. feel free to email me 'tar -zcvf /lib/ufw /etc/ufw /var/log/ufw.log'
[18:10] <jdstrand> err
[18:10] <jdstrand> tar -zcvf fta.tar.gz /lib/ufw /etc/ufw /var/log/ufw.log
[18:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[18:35] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[18:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - so things with the messaging menu are starting to come together, and I was wondering how I might about about adding it to the Ubuntu packages?
[18:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: for people to test out - like globalmenu-extension.
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i can take care of that
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> although, probably not right away. i'm knee deep in libdbusmenu crashes right now ;)
[18:37] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yeah - no worries, no rush on it right now.
[18:40] <micahg> hi nonix4, can you access other sites?
[19:40] <nonix4> micahg: most other sites yes. Dns seems to be working a bit flakey atm. w3m does connect to bugs.launchpad.net, firefox doesn't. It has been running for 20 days. Trying to connect to "bugs.launchpad.net." with a dot gives an error, since server doesn't understand such request.
[19:41] <micahg> why are you using a .
[19:41] <nonix4> For debugging :)
[19:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^ is this expected?/
[19:42] <nonix4> Since it gives an error, guess it manages to establish SSL session properly with that extra dot
[19:42] <nonix4> without the extra dot, it keeps "Loading..." forever.
[19:43] <nonix4> Tried changing to private browsing mode, still have that "Loading..." hang when trying without trailing dot on hostname
[19:44] <micahg> nonix4: and using the same host works in w3m?
[19:44] <nonix4> yes
[19:47] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxCrashDumping  (some specs, you may already know most of it)
[21:01] <gnomefreak> ok is anyone running gnome/unity or gnome/classic that can test a sound in gnomne-terminal for me. i would like bug 723936 confirmed or at least find out if it is just me
[21:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 723936 in gnome-terminal "Gnome-terminal no longer plays sounds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723936
[21:11] <nonix4> micahg: I suspect that restarting firefox could "resolve" the issue, but I'd rather find the cause if possible. Quite interesting that switching to private browsing mode and back doesn't make any difference though.
[21:24] <nonix4> version is 3.6.13+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, when pressing enter on https://bugs.launchpad.net/?test url, it only sends a syn, receives synack and sends rst. After that, when pressing "esc" to stop the "Loading..." from spinning, it sends a bunch more - 13 more packets sent & received then.
[21:25] <micahg> nonix4: can you test the version in the security PPA?  it's 3.6.14, link in /topic
[21:26] <nonix4> well I think the issue disappears once I close the browser, as it worked earlier during those 20 days the browser has been up.
[21:26] <nonix4> could try copying profile to a VM or some such though.
[21:27] <nonix4> or other user on same host...
[21:29] <micahg> nonix4: did it update while it was running?
[21:30] <nonix4> Browser itself not, but libssl yes. Guess that could be it?
[21:31] <micahg> hmm, do you have nscd instaled?
[21:33] <nonix4> nope. lsof on firefox-bin doesn't list deleted files besides /etc/passwd and XUL.mfasl; shouldn't dependancies be listed as deleted if they were updated?
[21:53] <nonix4> don't seem to be able to reproduce the issue on another user with a copy of the firefox profile. Where was that list of -dbg packages to install in order to attempt gdb:ing the beast?
[21:53] <micahg> nonix4: the list is probably out of date
[22:53] <nonix4> micahg: looks like some kind of dns caching issue, but no nscd installed... http://paste.ubuntu.com/571410/ is an LWP right after pressing enter on bugs.launchpad.net URL. Only that one seems to be stuck in non-resolving state, others like code.launchpad.net work properly.
[22:55] <micahg> nonix4: they both resolve to the same place
[23:01] <nonix4> micahg: well it seems like negative dns replies/timeouts from around 7 hours ago are somehow being cached by the running firefox process.
[23:25] <LLStarks> when does the visual refresh hit the ppa?
[23:25] <LLStarks> or rather, what commit was it?


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