[02:42] <LUDO_I_BRZO> mey the force be with u
[02:43] <inc_> ubuntu
[02:43] <LUDO_I_BRZO> bles ur kernels and speed up ure machines
[02:43] <apj_ubuntu> Force be with ubuntu
[02:43] <Nermal> LUDO_I_BRZO, speak properly
[02:43] <Nermal> or apt-get install aspell
[02:43] <LUDO_I_BRZO> ubntu to the people
[02:43] <Nermal> berk
[02:44] <inc_> anyone know some good apps from sniffing wireless and maybe massaging crypted connections lol
[02:44] <apj_ubuntu> Good luck
[02:45] <Nermal> inc_, there are a couple
[02:45] <Nermal> snort ?
[02:45] <Nermal> airjack ?
[02:45] <inc_> heard of snort
[02:45] <Nermal> maybeyoushouldgetoutmore?
[02:45] <inc_> airjack?
[02:45] <Nermal> aye
[02:45] <inc_> i'm lookin lol
[02:46] <Nermal> "AirJack is a device driver (or suit of device drivers) for 802.11(a/b/g) raw frame injection and reception. It is ment as a development tool for all manor of 802.11 applications that need to access the raw protocol."
[02:46] <inc_> well i'll google airjack.. was mainly looking for some good ones
[02:46] <Nermal> AirSnort is a wireless LAN (WLAN) tool which recovers encryption keys. is about as good as it gets
[02:47] <Nermal> I presume this is solely for research purposes / proof of concept
[02:47] <inc_> i want to crack my wireless... and may someone elses lol
[02:47] <Nermal> that would be airsnort then
[02:47] <Nermal> "AirSnort operates by passively monitoring transmissions, computing the encryption key when enough packets have been gathered."
[02:47] <Nermal> I heard you have to have quite a large amount of packets though
[02:47] <inc_> security reasons :)
[02:48] <evarlast> Nah, he is parked outside a walmart right now.
[02:48] <Nermal> ah.. a bushism
[02:48] <inc_> hehe starbucks.. hotspot... nah.. at home right now
[02:48] <CarlK> that's because he was hired by walmart to evaluate there security ;)
[02:48] <Nermal> <-- inc_ has quit (Read error: 108 (Being towed))
[02:49] <CarlK> lol
[02:49] <inc_> noo..... haha get the hooks off
[02:49] <inc_> you're gonna scratch the primer
[02:50] <CarlK> anyone good with convert?  I need to make a mutipage .tiff from foo1.scx, foo2.scx, foo3.scx
[02:50] <CarlK> not sure how to do the muli page thing
[02:51] <MartinC> will this installation of ubuntu work today?
[02:52] <MartinC> mmm heads
[02:52] <pinotree> hi all
[02:52] <krism> hi, piney.
[02:52] <apj_ubuntu> what installaton?
[02:52] <CarlK> eight ball syas yes
[02:52] <apj_ubuntu> hoary or warty
[02:52] <CarlK> wow... convert foo?.gif foo.tiff
[02:52] <MartinC> sounds promising carlk
[02:52] <CarlK> that simple.
[02:53] <pinotree> i installed Xorg from ubuntu on my Debian
[02:53] <krism> pinetree: i assume you mean ubuntu-hoary ?
[02:53] <pinotree> which package the file Xdmcp.h is in?
[02:53] <apj_ubuntu> you have to install ubuntu desktop
[02:53] <daniels> pinotree: libxdmcp-dev
[02:54] <krism> daniels : how did you figure that out so fast?
[02:54] <daniels> krism: because I maintain the package and I was the one that split libxdmcp* out of xlibs-static-dev
[02:54] <krism> daniels : (it often happens to me that i need to find out which package has $x, .. so i usually spend an eternity googling)
[02:54] <krism> daniels : oh.
[02:54] <krism> daniels : :)
[02:54] <pinotree> daniels: thanks, i'm updating sources now
[02:56] <pinotree> daniels: thanks, it works now :D
[02:59] <pinotree> daniels: it would be nice thing to have the "search for/in package" like debian site does
[02:59] <daniels> pinotree: yeah, tell me about it :\
[02:59] <rcaskey_> hey daniels: has anyone ever speced out the hardware database fully?
[03:00] <daniels> rcaskey_: not sure, sorry
[03:00] <MacPlusG3> daniels: dude!
[03:00] <daniels> MacPlusG3: dude!
[03:00] <MacPlusG3> daniels: how's things?
[03:00] <zim> CarlK you still here ?
[03:00] <daniels> MacPlusG3: busy, but good -- you?
[03:01] <MacPlusG3> daniels: same. very sleepy atm. should probably actually sleep at some point :)
[03:01] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh :) i know the feeling
[03:01] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i took the plunge and switched desktop from sid to hoary.
[03:01] <MacPlusG3> daniels: discovered great brokenness in d-i's raid setup tools. must remember to file bugs....
[03:02] <Patke> Can someone help me...
[03:02] <rel> any easy way to remove kernel-modules I dont need? Or the only option is to compile a cutom kernel?
[03:02] <MacPlusG3> rel: modules that you don't need aren't loaded. they only use up space on disk
[03:02] <AndyR> anyone installed warty on a biege g3 (old world)
[03:02] <Nermal> Patke, probelem?
[03:02] <MacPlusG3> rel: which is useful if you ever buy that hardware
[03:02] <Patke> It's about installing ubuntu while i want to keep my windows...
[03:03] <AndyR> as i need to use BootX nat yaboot
[03:04] <rel> MacPlusG3, I am used to just enable what I need in a kernel. the defualt ubuntu kernel enables all compiled-in and as modules. Well if it doesnt harm, I can just leave it this way.
[03:04] <AndyR> snot/nat
[03:04] <rel> Wonder how many users leave this as it is
[03:04] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh :) bugs are always good
[03:04] <MacPlusG3> rel: lots. it's really annoying recompiling a kernel just to plug a new device in
[03:04] <tritium> rel, blacklist them
[03:04] <nix000> anyone tell me where i can get the kernel config file for hoary ? i am trying to compile it under warty.
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> daniels: oh, as far as i can work out, along the process of trying hoary, warty (and d-i releases) - it rewrote the RAID superblock.
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> daniels: changing the stripe size.
[03:05] <rel> MacPlusG3, I dnt buy new HW that often, once a year maybe
[03:05] <tritium> rel, i.e. put modules you don't want loaded in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> daniels: XFS has trouble mounting a FS where the RAID has just jumbled things up
[03:05] <Nermal> still no working gtk-gnutella for hoary
[03:05] <zim> CarlK: cdrecord -eject dev=/dev/hdd cdmaster.iso is there any way to remove the time out warning
[03:05] <Nermal> I want the MPAA for some company
[03:05] <daniels> MacPlusG3: ah, bugger
[03:05] <rel> tritium, hmm.. Il check on that :)
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> rel: yeah - but security updates as well.
[03:05] <MartinC> hey guys x-server tries to start up and then my screen says frequency out of range
[03:06] <MartinC> what can i do about it ?
[03:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: interestingly enough, doing 'mdadm --create' fixed it all okay :)
[03:06] <Nermal> MartinC, run xf86config ?
[03:06] <rel> MacPlusG3, there maybe a good point
[03:06] <Patke> I was just wondering can ubuntu read fat32 partitions and write to them
[03:06] <daniels> MacPlusG3: i'd be scared that that would be destructive, but there you go ;)
[03:06] <krism> Patke : yes
[03:06] <MartinC> thaks nermal will give it a go
[03:06] <MartinC> should i try and set the screen resolution lower
[03:06] <MartinC> ?
[03:06] <Patke> thanx alto
[03:06] <Nermal> yah :)
[03:07] <Nermal> or the refresh rate lower
[03:07] <rel> tritium, I always tend to think that compiled in stuff that is not needed effects the kernel in some way. but then again, I don't know shit about kernel internals
[03:07] <MartinC> :)
[03:07] <MacPlusG3> daniels: interesting thing was, you could 'hexdump -C /dev/hda5' and see the outline of an XFS superblock (well, you could with xfs_db as well). xfs_repair would go 'can't find valid superblock' as it looks for some sane things along the way. Going from 8k to 64k stripes doesn't keep much sane. but, the --assemble option has a 'no darnit, ignore the superblock and just listen to what i tell you' option. That was useful.
[03:07] <dtygel> hi all: I just tried to do apt-get install php4 and it says: "cannot find any php4". What is wrong? Doesn't ubuntu have php4??
[03:08] <dtygel> ...tried to google and didn't find a clue on that.
[03:08] <rel> dtygel, apt-cache search php
[03:08] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh, nice :) hardcore fs debugging
[03:08] <dtygel> rel, will it be php4 or php5?
[03:08] <rel> dtygel, that should list you the right package names
[03:08] <tritium> dtygel, it's in Hoary universe
[03:08] <rel> dtygel, whatever you want to install
[03:09] <MacPlusG3> daniels: you have no idea of the horror of xfs_repair scanning every block of a 200GB raid device and just giving up.
[03:09] <MacPlusG3> daniels: all that mythtv footage :)
[03:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: aieeee
[03:09] <dtygel> tritium: how do I access universe?
[03:09] <tritium> MacPlusG3, do you have mythtv running on powerpc?  What kind of tuner card do you have?
[03:09] <dtygel> rel, it listed several names... how to decide?
[03:10] <apj_ubuntu> bye everybody
[03:10] <sireesh> hey does ubuntu have any embedded linux distribution
[03:10] <MacPlusG3> tritium: have tuner card on x86. never really got mythtv compiled and running on ppc. but that was a while ago.
[03:10] <tritium> dtygel, include the repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <tritium> MacPlusG3, oh, okay.  Thanks.  I just ordered 2 of these yesterday since they were so cheap: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/CRD10186.html
[03:11] <MacPlusG3> daniels: I realised i was way too hardcore when my first guess of my stripe size (when recovering) was correct. it's been like, a year and 3 or 4 months since i made that raid.
[03:11] <dtygel> tritium: I'm using warty: should I upgrade to hoary??
[03:12] <dtygel> ...or can I just include the universe of hoary in the apt file?
[03:12] <tritium> dtygel, that depends on how badly you need php4
[03:12] <MacPlusG3> tritium: you're north american based right? i.e. have no idea if this works in .au
[03:12] <tritium> MacPlusG3, yes, I am.
[03:13] <MacPlusG3> tritium: doh! would love to know if these things work here.
[03:13] <dtygel> tritium: I really need it: I'm installing a local server (apache-php-mysql) for web-designing...
[03:13] <sireesh> every one is trying to use WINCE as embedded system os and initialy everone starts with that. If distribution for embedded Linux id available , which contain all development toolset kike WINCE platform builder then everyone will start using embedded Linux as OS.
[03:15] <tritium> MacPlusG3, I think it does
[03:15] <tritium> dtygel, it would be easiest to upgrade to Hoary then
[03:16] <evarlast> sireesh: says you.
[03:16] <dtygel> tritium: how do I do that? apt-get upgrade?
[03:16] <tritium> MacPlusG3, this guy is using one in Australia: http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0700H/vnewsf4.htm
[03:16] <sireesh> evar last is it possible like that ...
[03:17] <pybe> trying to boot the net-install kernel from grub for dos. it loads the initrd then says cannot open root device rd/0 does anyone know what the root device should be set to?
[03:17] <dtygel> tritium, I found it in ubuntu site. I'll do it. Is it too dangerous? Am I going to loose something?
[03:17] <MacPlusG3> tritium: wow... os2... haven't heard of that in yeras.
[03:18] <tritium> dtygel, you need to understand that it's not a stable release yet
[03:18] <evarlast> sireesh: anything is possible.  but it is not lickly.
[03:18] <evarlast> likely
[03:18] <MacPlusG3> dtygel: php4 should be in universe at least.
[03:18] <tritium> MacPlusG3, yeah.  Looks like he had to load some region-specific file when he used it...
[03:18] <JsPr> MacPlusG3, take a look at http://www.ecomstation.com then :-)
[03:19] <MacPlusG3> dtygel: is at least in hoary universe. don't see why php wouldn't be in warty.
[03:19] <dtygel> tritium and macplus: so maybe I should just enable universe, download php4 and stick in warty?
[03:19] <sireesh> every tools are available on the net if any one intialize the project then linux will be only OS used and we can standardize the computing world.
[03:19] <tritium> MacPlusG3, I checked with apt-cache policy.  It's only in Hoary.
[03:20] <dtygel> (maybe it's better: I'm too new in ubuntu and debian...)
[03:20] <tritium> I have the Warty repos in my list too, so I can check
[03:20] <MacPlusG3> dtygel: also, you will want the mysql-server-4.1 package (or possibly just use the binaries off mysql.com). 4.1 is the recommended release. (I work for MySQL btw :)
[03:20] <dtygel> thanks tritium!
[03:20] <tritium> dtygel, It's not in Warty universe
[03:20] <sireesh> I think ubuntu's aim is also like that.
[03:21] <dtygel> ok: I'll enable hoary universe and download php4.
[03:21] <tritium> dtygel, you're welcome
[03:21] <dtygel> macplus: I've just installed mysql right now simply by sudo aptitude install mysql
[03:22] <dtygel> macplus, should I change it? Or is it ok?
[03:24] <nix000> i ve been looking for the hoary kernel config file for a while now. i asked in here multiple times beside google. no one knows this or what ?
[03:24] <pybe> never mind its /dev/ram - dont you just love trial and error
[03:24] <dtygel> tritium, I added the following line in the sources.list file: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe" and it didn't find php4 yet. Why? Have I type something wrong?
[03:25] <tritium> dtygel, did you "sudo apt-get update"?
[03:25] <dtygel> tritium let me do it right now. (I did it yesterday afternoon)
[03:25] <tritium> dtygel, that's the only way apt will become aware of what's available in the new repos you added
[03:26] <tritium> yesterday you didn't have those repos listed
[03:26] <dtygel> tritium: ugh, quite a newbie am I :-P
[03:27] <tritium> it's okay :)
[03:27] <DarkMaul> hai guys en galls
[03:27] <DarkMaul> can i ask a question
[03:28] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: Fire away
[03:28] <dtygel> tritium: now it didn't install php4 because the version of apache2 wasn't "good enough". I got the apache2 package from warty repo...
[03:28] <DarkMaul> ty ..
[03:28] <DarkMaul> well iam a n00b on Linux.. but hey need to strat at some place right ..
[03:28] <DarkMaul> start that is
[03:29] <DarkMaul> and ubuntu looks pretty cool .. for me to start with ..
[03:29] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: That's right, you do. Ubuntu is a reasonable distro to start with. Do you have it installed?
[03:29] <DarkMaul> yes ..
[03:29] <DarkMaul> on a second PC
[03:29] <tritium> dtygel, that's why I told you it's easiest to upgrade to Hoary all the way
[03:29] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: Ubuntulinux.org and ubuntuguide.org are good places to start some reading.
[03:30] <DarkMaul> yes yes .. i have seen it al
[03:30] <dtygel> tritium: I guess I'll have to uninstall apache2... and reinstall it from the hoary repo. Correct?
[03:30] <MacPlusG3> okay, sleep time.
[03:30] <DarkMaul> the question .. is more about the desktop manager
[03:30] <MacPlusG3> daniels: night dude - catch up for beer soon.
[03:30] <tritium> dtygel, no need to uninstall
[03:30] <dtygel> tritium: ??
[03:30] <DarkMaul> if i have programs that are based for KDE ... can i just install them on a GNOME desktop
[03:30] <DarkMaul> ?
[03:30] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: I probably won't be able to help you (I use KDE), but ask away -- others might know.
[03:31] <daniels> MacPlusG3: indeed.  flat out all this weekend, but belgian next weekend?
[03:31] <tritium> dtygel, if you install a higher version, it will replace the older version
[03:31] <apokryphos> Oh, sure you can. They won't run as fast, but they will run.
[03:31] <daniels> MacPlusG3: (or maybe the weekend after, when I've been paid; flat broke as well as flat out atm)
[03:31] <DarkMaul> well thats my only question
[03:31] <DarkMaul> :-)
[03:31] <apokryphos> ok =)
[03:31] <DarkMaul> thank you for your time
[03:31] <dtygel> tritium: got it! So I just have to ask to apt-get install apache2 and it will do it? Including the related packages and dependencies?
[03:31] <apokryphos> You will need to have KDE installed, naturally; kdebase and the like.
[03:31] <tritium> daniels, if we contribute to the paypal account on www.ubuntu.com, will that help buy you some beer?
[03:32] <daniels> tritium: unfortunately not
[03:32] <MacPlusG3> daniels: sounds good.
[03:32] <tritium> daniels, strictly for bounties?
[03:32] <MacPlusG3> daniels: after pay is good. beer good. belgian good.
[03:32] <daniels> tritium: i don't have a massive beer deficiency, but I just have to choose what I do -> buy a six-pack of Coopers and head over to a mate's place, not go out in the city for outrageously expensive Belgian beer :)
[03:33] <tritium> daniels, well, enjoy!
[03:33] <daniels> tritium: i'm not exactly sure.  but, in any case, i'll be paid by the time paypal takes to pay out to me
[03:33] <daniels> tritium: will do :)
[03:33] <Nermal> I only have a drink problem when I run out
[03:33] <tritium> dtygel, yes
[03:34] <tritium> dtygel, now you'll have a mixed system.  Don't be surprised if it pulls in a lot of dependencies
[03:34] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh
[03:34] <dtygel> tritium: you are right. I guess I'll just upgrade to hoary!
[03:34] <daniels> MacPlusG3: night dude
[03:34] <tritium> dtygel, how many additional packages does it want to pull in?
[03:35] <remon> perhaps a BUG: during bootup: filesystemtype: ext2 but it's really ext3
[03:35] <p-fox> anyone here tried the gnome-launch-box? how do you run it?
[03:35] <bascule> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4274811.stm
[03:35] <remon> not sure if it can harm one way or the other
[03:36] <AlphaZero> i did a dist-upgrade today and now when i boot it just goes to a black screen, is my system hosed?
[03:36] <AlphaZero> i tried to upgrade to hoary
[03:36] <kreiger> Hey guys
[03:37] <Nermal> eh oh
[03:37] <edulix> hi !
[03:37] <kreiger> ?
[03:37] <MartinC> the screen still says out of frequency, i'm trying an old cirrus logic card because the onboard ati radeon 9200 just makes the screen blink twice
[03:37] <MartinC> ANY ideas?
[03:37] <edulix> there's a graphical tool to fit xfree in the screen ?
[03:37] <edulix> (the monitor doesn't provide one. it's an imac)
[03:37] <Nermal> radeon may need some funky pci=noacpi to work
[03:38] <tritium> AlphaZero, probably just needs a quick fix to your xorg.conf
[03:38] <tritium> AlphaZero, are you using nvidia?
[03:38] <AlphaZero> yes
[03:38] <MartinC> how do i do that nermal?
[03:38] <MartinC> i'd appreciate your help
[03:38] <kreiger> mm
[03:39] <kreiger> i have no sound
[03:39] <AlphaZero> after "loading acpi modules" it goes black and thats it
[03:39] <Nermal> edit /etc/grub/menu.lst and add it to the end of the kernel line
[03:39] <kreiger> i think it decided to use my camera drivers for sound.. how do i find out?
[03:39] <Nermal> or push "e" on the appropriate grub menu entry and edit the kernel line, then hit "b" to boot it
[03:39] <Nermal> kreiger, why would it do that ?
[03:39] <Nermal> I guess dmesg would help
[03:39] <kreiger> I don't know. the knoppix live cd did
[03:40] <kreiger> and i had no sound
[03:40] <kreiger> So i'm assuming
[03:40] <tritium> AlphaZero, in the upgrade, you switched to X.org
[03:40] <kreiger> All i know is that i have no sound
[03:40] <JsPr> Nermal, y might mean /boot/grub/menu.lst. At least in Warty?
[03:40] <tritium> AlphaZero, you might need to check that it's using the "nvidia" driver, and not loading GLcore or dri
[03:40] <kreiger> And i'm not entirely sure i have access to root.. if asks me for a password, but i never assigned it one
[03:40] <AlphaZero> ok
[03:40] <Nermal> JsPr, aye.. it's a friday
[03:41] <Nermal> kreiger, lsmod ?
[03:41] <AlphaZero> how do i do that? by changing the boot option in grub?
[03:41] <kreiger> hm?
[03:41] <JsPr> Nermal, right :-)
[03:41] <Nermal> kreiger, no root in ubuntu, no password in knoppix
[03:41] <kreiger> ubuntu has no root?
[03:41] <Nermal> AlphaZero, aye.. boot with pci=noacpi or acpi=off
[03:42] <MartinC> nermal it says no write permission for file /etc/grub/menu.1st
[03:42] <Nermal> I've just said how for MartinC
[03:42] <AlphaZero> ok i'll try that
[03:42] <MartinC> i'm logged in as root
[03:42] <Nermal> MartinC, its /boot not /etc
[03:42] <tritium> kreiger, did you just dist-upgrade on Hoary?
[03:42] <MartinC> oh ... tnx ;)
[03:42] <Nermal> sorry :)
[03:42] <kreiger> NO, tritium, i did not.
[03:42] <kreiger> i just installed it and ran everything it asked me too.
[03:42] <AlphaZero> trit, thats what i did to bugger my system up "P
[03:42] <tritium> kreiger, okay.  Then it's not polypaudio woes in your case
[03:43] <AlphaZero> dist-upgrade to hoary
[03:43] <tritium> kreiger, you might have the IRQ 7 problem.  Did you look into that?
[03:43] <kreiger> No, i came here first.
[03:43] <MartinC> it says no edit mailcap rules found for for type application/x troff manor something nermal
[03:44] <dtygel> tritium: sorry, phone rang... It wanted the following packages: "libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 will be installed"; and "php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but it isn't installable"
[03:44] <tritium> dtygel, oh...
[03:45] <tritium> kreiger, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ParallelPortIRQ7/view?searchterm=IRQ%207
[03:45] <edulix> how can I move the image that xfree shows in the screen to fit it into the screen?
[03:45] <tritium> kreiger, that's not necessarily what's giving you grief, but you can at least rule it out if it doens't fix anything
[03:45] <tritium> doesn't, that is
[03:46] <kreiger> is there a way to check what driver it's using for sound?
[03:46] <kreiger> before i edit my bios
[03:46] <kreiger> *grin*
[03:46] <tritium> lsmod | grep snd
[03:46] <tritium> also try cat /dev/sndstat
[03:47] <kreiger> mm
[03:47] <kreiger> can i copy paste my output somewhere?
[03:47] <dtygel> tritium: what does "oh..." mean?
[03:47] <AlphaZero> hoary is kernel 2.6.10 right?
[03:47] <apokryphos> kreiger: pastebin.com
[03:47] <kreiger> mm
[03:47] <kreiger> danke
[03:47] <tritium> AlphaZero, yes
[03:47] <AlphaZero> ok thanks
[03:47] <tritium> AlphaZero, did you fix the X.org problem?
[03:47] <MartinC> when i enter ... edit /boot/grub/menu.lst i get no edit mailcap rules found for type "application/ ........
[03:48] <AlphaZero> not yet
[03:48] <AlphaZero> i went into grub 2.6.10 recov mode
[03:48] <tritium> dtygel, let me look into that...
[03:48] <dtygel> tritium: thanks...
[03:48] <kreiger> http://www.pastebin.com/243360
[03:48] <tritium> dtygel, what Hoary repos do you have enabled now?
[03:48] <AlphaZero> if i cant get this working, i'll take it as a cue to try vida linux
[03:49] <kreiger> ALpha, vida didn't recognize my scrollwheel
[03:49] <tritium> AlphaZero, what prompted you to upgrade to Hoary?
[03:49] <AlphaZero> i cant imagine a better package management than deb though
[03:49] <AlphaZero> tritium, i had a couple bugs and i thought they may go away
[03:50] <tritium> I'd hate to see you get frustrated and give up on a development release
[03:50] <AlphaZero> warty was a dev realease right? cause it was buggin
[03:50] <Nermal> uh
[03:50] <Nermal> no
[03:51] <Nermal> warty was stable
[03:51] <nix000> is hoary array 5 supposed to be out yesterday ? the topic only mentions array4 while the site has array 5 available.
[03:51] <kreiger> is
[03:51] <Nermal> "ubuntu - redefining stable since 2004" D:
[03:51] <tritium> nix000, yes, it's out
[03:51] <AlphaZero> ok what file did i need to edit?
[03:51] <kreiger> hmm, trit? have a second of your valuable time?
[03:52] <Nermal> you just did :|
[03:52] <AlphaZero> the conf for x.org or something
[03:52] <Nermal> having to read that can I ask a question question
[03:52] <kreiger> lol
[03:52] <kreiger> http://www.pastebin.com/243364
[03:52] <nix000> tritium, thanks
[03:52] <Nermal> eep
[03:52] <MartinC> hey there Nermal, I've tried edit /boot/grub/menu.lst but I get no "edit" mailcap rules found for type application/*
[03:53] <MartinC> <- Sheep in need of help
[03:53] <Nermal> MartinC, erm.. you did vi /boot/grub/menu.lst yeah ?
[03:53] <Nermal> or nano or pico
[03:53] <rel> I want to read about how the kernel configurations of ubuntu. what are restricted-modules and how do these work. why do I have kernel-images in apt and no corrosponding modules. etc. have seached for a howto but found no info.
[03:53] <MartinC> Nermal no surprises this is my first day ever using Linux so i'll try those
[03:53] <Nermal> oh :)
[03:53] <Nermal> no command called "edit" in linux :|
[03:53] <kreiger> This is my first day too
[03:53] <dtygel> tritium: I have enabled only universe repo of hoary. Should I activate stable?
[03:53] <Nermal> try pico or nano
[03:53] <kreiger> T_T
[03:54] <Nermal> this is my 7th year
[03:54] <AlphaZero> try pico
[03:54] <Nermal> I _think_ :|
[03:54] <tritium> dtygel, you mean main?
[03:54] <thoreauputic> dtygel: yes
[03:54] <kreiger> Then nermal, can i suck up to you for help?
[03:54] <Nermal> uh.. depends
[03:54] <MartinC> Nermal ok vi got me in
[03:54] <Nermal> if the question is well formed and informative
[03:54] <MartinC> now do i add that line to the very end?
[03:54] <Nermal> MartinC, vi is a little hard to use for a newbie
[03:54] <Nermal> but if you want to edit stuff hit "i" to insert stuff
[03:54] <kreiger> Well, did you look at my two links i posted?
[03:55] <Nermal> then hit escape and then do :wq to write and quit
[03:55] <nix000> Nermal, 7 year daily usage 8hr/day ?
[03:55] <Nermal> pico is easier ;)
[03:55] <Nermal> nix000, pretty much
[03:55] <MartinC> wow craziness ok
[03:55] <MartinC> do i add pci=noacpi to the very end of tha tfile?
[03:55] <Nermal> mostly at home though I obviously used it when I worked for suse
[03:55] <AlphaZero> tritium, you mind if i msg you?
[03:55] <Nermal> and use it on the servers here
[03:55] <Nermal> MartinC, no
[03:55] <Nermal> look for the kernel line for the appropriate menu entry
[03:55] <tritium> AlphaZero, okay
[03:56] <Nermal> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=791
[03:56] <Nermal> something like that
[03:56] <spiral> hi
[03:56] <Nermal> go to the end of the line, hit i and type pci=noacpi then hit escape
[03:56] <dtygel> tritium and thor: yes, I should activate main... I'll do it: should it be hoary-security main restricted??
[03:56] <Nermal> then do : (to enter command mode) wq <enter>
[03:56] <Nermal> pico is a non mode based editor
[03:56] <Nermal> vi is :|
[03:56] <MartinC> then i make it kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=791 pci=noacpi
[03:57] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm
[03:57] <Nermal> MartinC, yes...
[03:57] <Nermal> though I added the vga=791 to mine
[03:57] <MartinC> k lemme go mess some stuff up
[03:57] <Nermal> and I'm using a 686 kernel not a 386 kernel
[03:57] <thoreauputic> dtygel: basically just give it as many repos as you have - so it can find dependencies for you
[03:57] <MartinC> brb
[03:57] <nix000> Nermal, i was getting the same error. i edited the kernel line but i think i just entered noapic. apic=off would not work. go figure.
[03:57] <Nermal> well
[03:58] <Nermal> apic != acpi
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dtygel: just uncomment all the repos in sources.list
[03:58] <tritium> dtygel, sorry, I'm a little overwhelmed with messages right now
[03:58] <Nermal> noapic or acpi=off
[03:58] <Nermal> does two completely different things
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dtygel: or the equivalent in synaptic
[03:58] <dtygel> thor: I was affraid of doing that, since it will broaden the way in to programs which are fully unsupported by ubuntu...
[03:58] <Nermal> one is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller and the other is Advanced Configuration and Power Management
[03:58] <Nermal> didn't you learn anything in college ? :)
[03:58] <nix000> Nermal, no wonder !
[03:58] <dtygel> tritium: it's allright. Don't worry ;)
[03:58] <Nermal> Management  = Interface
[03:58] <Nermal> definately friday :|
[03:59] <thoreauputic> dtygel: if you don't, you'll just keep getting errors when you use apt
[03:59] <Nermal> pci=noacpi was the universal suse fix for most of our customers ;)
[03:59] <Nermal> that and "use the big knife in the drawer by your sink"
[03:59] <dtygel> thoreauputic. Ok, you convinced me: are the hoary files in "archive" or in "security"?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> dtygel: don't stress about it  - your earlier errors were because it couldn't find stuff you haven't enabled
[04:00] <Nermal> dtygel, both ?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> you need both
[04:00] <Nermal> archive = main repository security = security updates
[04:00] <nix000> Nermal, bad bad memory never helps
[04:00] <Nermal> iirc
[04:00] <dtygel> Nermal and thoreauputic. I'll give it a try then...
[04:00] <Nermal> nix000, they're easily confused
[04:00] <Nermal> dtygel, apt-get install aspell ;)
[04:01] <spiral> hmmm, ooo testing get's updated....
[04:01] <Nermal> *coffee time*
[04:01] <spiral> how unlucky... they just released a new test release :-)
[04:01] <nix000> Nermal, is'n there a src repository for hoary where i could get the kernel config file from ?
[04:02] <nix000> Nermal, i meant a cvs/web interface
[04:02] <no0tic> nix000: the config file of the installed kernel are in /boot
[04:02] <no0tic> nix000: the config files of the installed kernels are in /boot
[04:02] <nix000> no0tic, i am running warty
[04:03] <no0tic> nix000: I think it's the same
[04:03] <Echylo> back
[04:03] <nix000> no0tic, what do you mean ? hoary is supposed to have 2.6.10 i heard
[04:03] <Nermal> I love the huge "APPROVED" box you get when you get out of xlock :)
[04:03] <dtygel> Nermall, what is aspell? (didn't get it) :-X
[04:03] <Nermal> makes me feel so leet
[04:04] <Nermal> dtygel, nevermind :)
[04:04] <no0tic> nix000: yes, now I understood your question, you want hoary kernel config file to compile 2.6.10 on warty?
[04:04] <AlphaZero> where is it that I edit the boot sequence to start X-org i guess (i'm a noob to linux) for nvidia etc...
[04:04] <dtygel> Nermall: I'm brazilian, that's why my english is quite poor
[04:04] <nix000> no0tic, yesssssssss
[04:04] <no0tic> nix000: what arch?
[04:04] <Rocha> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on a pc, the install cd boots but the install program says it can't find the cdrom
[04:04] <spiral> fabbione: are you there ?
[04:04] <dtygel> Nermal and tritium: it didnt install php4 again!! What a nightmare...
[04:05] <Echylo> what kind of cdrom you have Rocha
[04:05] <dtygel> I broadened to security and archive of both hoary and warty... and it still says that it cannot install php4.
[04:05] <nix000> no0tic, i386 to begin with .. (maybe) later i'll do am64.  i have a brand new compaq amd64 laptop
[04:05] <dtygel> should I turn apache2 off?
[04:05] <Rocha> Echylo, i don't know, it's not my computer.
[04:05] <Echylo> just install apache
[04:05] <Echylo> not 2
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dtygel: you did sudo apt-get update after editing your sources?
[04:05] <Echylo> install the php4
[04:05] <Echylo> and after that install apache
[04:06] <dtygel> Echylo: if I install apache, will apache2 still be installed?
[04:06] <Echylo> and reboot or something
[04:06] <Rocha> Echylo, but it's a dvd and cd-rw combo
[04:06] <Echylo> no
[04:06] <Echylo> cause you have to remove apache2
[04:06] <dtygel> Echylo, reboot? In linux?
[04:06] <Echylo> ok don't reboot
[04:06] <Echylo> and restart apache
[04:06] <dtygel> :)
[04:06] <Echylo> :)
[04:06] <Echylo> hmm rocha
[04:06] <Rocha> Echylo, the install program says that i can install the modules from a floppy, but i don't know what to do
[04:06] <Nermal> dtygel, I just had to get php5 working
[04:06] <Zotnix> Anyone know a more suitable app other than rhythmbox that can handle 5000+ songs?
[04:06] <Nermal> utter PITA
[04:07] <Nermal> Zotnix, beep-media-player ?
[04:07] <MartinC> Nermal nope i still get a screen that says "I cannot start x-server (the graphical interface) this just after the screen blinked twice
[04:07] <MartinC> I am going craaaaaZzzzyyy
[04:07] <Echylo> sorry rocha, can't help you, search for drivers(linux) and put them on a floppy
[04:07] <Nermal> MartinC, anything in the x logs ?
[04:07] <Rocha> Echylo, ok
[04:07] <MartinC> oh i'm sure there's lotsa stuff in there but what am i supposed to look 4?
[04:07] <Echylo> sorry :)
[04:07] <Patke> Sorry to bother, but can anyone tell me does ubuntu needs to be installed on a logical or primary partition?
[04:07] <dtygel> my god, my god!! What is going on? It didn't install apache! I requests more dependencies!
[04:07] <dtygel> is it an endless cycle?
[04:08] <Echylo> patke, on a primary?
[04:08] <Echylo> that would be the safest thing I guess
[04:08] <kreiger> ok, new problem, i can't seem to sudo ANYTHING. it asks me for a password, and my user password doesn't work
[04:08] <Echylo> dtygel, how you try to install it?
[04:08] <Nermal> dtygel, ?
[04:08] <kreiger> Is there a default sudo password?
[04:08] <Echylo> kreiger, you have the right keyboard layout?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I suspect your sources are wrong or you forgot to update them, or both
[04:08] <Echylo> when you were installing it
[04:08] <Nermal> apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 should do the whole lot
[04:08] <kreiger> Yeah, i logged in.
[04:08] <dtygel> Echylo and Nermal: I said sudo apt-get install apache
[04:08] <Echylo> dtygel
[04:08] <kreiger> and i had to enter a password to do that
[04:08] <Nermal> kreiger, it's your user password
[04:09] <Echylo> get synaptic
[04:09] <kreiger> i tried that
[04:09] <Echylo> dtygel
[04:09] <Nermal> thats what it is
[04:09] <Echylo> install it through synaptic
[04:09] <Zotnix> Nermal, it handles the amount fine (even when loading the music info automatically rather than on scrolling)... but it lacks searching and needs better organization.
[04:09] <Echylo> much easier
[04:09] <tritium> dtygel, are you switching to apache from apache2?
[04:09] <Patke> But when I use partiton magic and want to make it 25GB big it tells me something about 1024 cylinders and that it would be unbootable!
[04:09] <Nermal> Zotnix, hmm
[04:09] <dtygel> thor: can I print here the lines in my sources.list?
[04:09] <Nermal> Patke, umm.. depends on your bios
[04:09] <{{JuKeBoX}}> I just installed ubuntu and rebooted after the system told me to and I get GRUB ERROR 18, how do I fix it?
[04:09] <Nermal> google for that one :)
[04:09] <kreiger> DUH
[04:09] <kreiger> i got it
[04:09] <Nermal> capslock ? :)
[04:09] <kreiger> stupid too many passwords
[04:10] <Echylo> :D
[04:10] <kreiger> Capslock is the button that's supposed to be lit, right?
[04:10] <dtygel> Folks: I was first trying only apache2, as you said. Now Echylo suggested me to try apache.
[04:10] <nix000> anyone know how to unpack a .deb file ? is it a normaol zip/tar file ?
[04:10] <Patke> but can the ubuntu system partition be logical?
[04:10] <kreiger> Capslock is the torch that guides my way into the internet
[04:10] <Echylo> don't blame me, don't blame me :p
[04:10] <{{JuKeBoX}}> can someone help me out?
[04:10] <dtygel> So now I'm stuck: in the middle-way...
[04:10] <Echylo> hmm :(
[04:10] <Nermal> dtygel, if you want php
[04:10] <Echylo> let me see if I can get apache 2 with php working
[04:11] <Nermal> just do what I said and it will do it all
[04:11] <Nermal> apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 should do the whole lot
[04:11] <Nermal> remove the 2 for apache 1.x
[04:11] <dtygel> Nermal: I'll try it and give the feedback.
[04:11] <Echylo> why do u all use terminal for that
[04:11] <Nermal> if you want PHP5 sell you're firstborn :/
[04:11] <Nermal> your*
[04:11] <Echylo> if the synaptic package manager, manages it for you
[04:11] <Patke> but can the ubuntu system partition be logical?
[04:11] <Nermal> Echylo, because it's far quicker and more accurate than clicking on pretty buttons
[04:11] <Echylo> I dunno patke
[04:11] <Echylo> I think you better get a primary
[04:12] <apokryphos7> Does anyone have any idea when the repositories are going to get libapt-pkg in? It's causing broken dependencies.
[04:12] <Nermal> and easier to describe over irc
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Echylo: synaptic is just a front end for apt
[04:12] <Patke> ok thanks...
[04:12] <Echylo> ok
[04:12] <Nermal> else we'd have a screen full of "left a bit" "right a bit" "left" "left" "up" CLICK
[04:12] <Nermal> :)
[04:12] <Echylo> :)
[04:12] <tritium> dtygel, I think the easiest approach is to fully upgrade to Hoary
[04:12] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: sup
[04:12] <Semt-X> evarlast: thanks, XFree86 up and running
[04:13] <dtygel> Nermal: I tried your line, and it just seys that I already have it correctly installed
[04:13] <dtygel> tritium, maybe you're right.
[04:13] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: BEEP
[04:13] <Nermal> dtygel, then it should be running :)
[04:13] <dtygel> tritium: but first I should maybe uninstall apache and mysql, which are already installed?
[04:13] <Nermal> dtygel, could do
[04:14] <tritium> dtygel, you can, but you don't have to.  They'll just get upgraded along with the rest
[04:14] <dtygel> Nermal: apache is running. But when I type apt-get install php4 it doesn't install it. It says that some dependencies arent installable.
[04:14] <Thom_Holwerda> erm
[04:14] <Nermal> ah
[04:14] <Nermal> because they conflict with the apache2 stuff ?
[04:15] <evarlast> Semt-X: EXCELLENT!
[04:15] <dtygel> nermal, it says that the version of two files are too low.
[04:15] <Semt-X> evarlast, yes!        Depends on: php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but it is not installable.
[04:16] <Semt-X> yes, the dell ob
[04:17] <Nermal> urgh
[04:17] <Semt-X> linux boot just states no sound card found o_O
[04:17] <evarlast> Semt-X: can you run "modprobe snd-cs4236" as root?
[04:17] <Semt-X> linux *ubuntu
 can I install ubuntu from my harddisk?
 is there a tutorial about that?
[04:17] <Nermal> so php4-common is the problem ?
[04:17] <Semt-X> evarlast, if I was behind my box, yes.
[04:17] <evarlast> Semt-X: give it a try :)
[04:17] <Semt-X> I will take the cmd and use it when im back behind my box
[04:17] <evarlast> Semt-X: let me know if it works on monday :)
[04:17] <Semt-X> ;)
[04:17] <Echylo> I feel ignored
[04:17] <Semt-X> I will, thank you.
[04:18] <dtygel> Nermal: yes, and also the version of libapache-mod-php4
[04:18] <Nermal> Echylo, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=ubuntu+hard+disk+install
[04:18] <Semt-X> heh
[04:18] <Echylo> :(
[04:18] <Echylo> that's not friendly
[04:18] <Semt-X> nice link Nermal
[04:18] <Nermal> Echylo, hey, it's a working link :)
[04:18] <Echylo> yea
[04:18] <kreiger> k so i fixed that.. now i need to get my sound working.
[04:18] <kreiger> hm
[04:18] <Echylo> omg
[04:18] <Echylo> it is
[04:18] <Semt-X> hehe
[04:19] <Semt-X> I like freenode MOTD
[04:19] <Semt-X> <3 pie
[04:19] <wdh> anyone here is using the mail-notification tool which is in universe repositories?? it works pretty good, but marks all my messages as read after checking if there is a new one.. anyone knows a workaround for this?
[04:20] <Semt-X> Welcome to the club, kreiger
[04:20] <Nermal> kreiger, does the modprobe work ?
[04:23] <Echylo> :(
[04:23] <Echylo> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:23] <Echylo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:23] <Echylo> is only available from another source
[04:23] <Echylo> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[04:23] <Nermal> I _HATE_ that error
[04:23] <Semt-X> lies!
[04:23] <Nermal> Echylo, you got multiverse and universe in your sources ?
[04:23] <Echylo> universe
[04:24] <Echylo> not multi I guess
[04:24] <evarlast> try package "unrar"
[04:24] <Nermal> add multiverse and see if that helps
[04:24] <Echylo> k
[04:24] <Semt-X> h8 rar
[04:24] <Nermal> do an apt-get update afterwards mind
[04:24] <Nermal> h8 txt spk
[04:24] <Echylo> how to add multiverse?
[04:24] <Nermal> Echylo, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add it to the end
[04:25] <Echylo> just like that?
[04:25] <png> how  can i control (on/of) startup scripts
[04:25] <Echylo> multiverse?
[04:25] <Nermal> of the lines with universe on them
[04:25] <no0tic> brb
[04:25] <Nermal> as a rough guide
[04:25] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: http://fwerp.ath.cx/
[04:25] <kreiger> modprobe in terminal?
[04:25] <Nermal> it should be fairly self explanitory
[04:25] <thoreauputic> unrar-nonfree (multiverse)
[04:25] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: say what you want him to do
[04:25] <dtygel> Nermal: do you have any clue on the php4 issue?
[04:25] <Nermal> kreiger, modprobe <modulename>
[04:25] <Thom_Holwerda> ?
[04:25] <Nermal> dtygel, like I said.. I guess see why php4-common can't be installed
[04:25] <kreiger> which module would i be testing?
[04:25] <Nermal> maybe do an apt-get -f install
[04:25] <kreiger> Anyway, i just installed nvidia
[04:25] <Echylo> what is the website of multiverse?
[04:26] <Nermal> and maybe a dpkg --configure -a
[04:26] <kreiger> lemme reboot real quick and then come back here
[04:26] <kreiger> brb
[04:26] <Nermal> Echylo, eh ?
[04:26] <dtygel> Folks: Does anyone of you have installed successfully apache-mysql-php?
[04:26] <Thom_Holwerda> Semt-X, thats like th epitome of the word nerd
[04:26] <Nermal> ADD IT TO THE END
[04:26] <Thom_Holwerda> :s
[04:26] <kreiger> ?
[04:26] <Echylo> I don't get it
[04:26] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: He wont like that
[04:26] <Nermal> ffs
[04:26] <Echylo> it's full of websites
[04:26] <Thom_Holwerda> he only lacks the black t shirt
[04:26] <kreiger> lol
[04:26] <kreiger> brb
[04:26] <Nermal> it's full one ONE URL
[04:26] <Nermal> add that to the end
[04:26] <Nermal> *nails wrists to a cross*
[04:26] <Echylo> do it again
[04:26] <Echylo> cause I don't get it
[04:26] <Nermal>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:27] <Nermal> like so
[04:27] <dtygel> Nermal: forcing didn't work
[04:27] <Echylo> now that's something
[04:27] <Echylo> I have warthy btw :p
[04:27] <Nermal> thats ok
[04:27] <Nermal> just leave it as warty
[04:27] <Nermal> add multiverse to the end of the deb-src line below it too
[04:27] <Nermal> and the security lines at the bottom
[04:27] <Echylo> yes I get it
[04:28] <Nermal> \o/
[04:28] <Echylo> pretty fast ergh?
[04:28] <Echylo>  :p
[04:28] <Nermal> :)
[04:28] <wdh> :P
[04:28] <Nermal> yup.. only 1.5 screens of text
[04:28] <wdh> sudo apt-get update :)
[04:28] <Echylo> that's not much :p
[04:28] <Nermal> no.. it's not
[04:28] <kreiger> k
[04:28] <kreiger> i HAD sound at the startup screen
[04:28] <Nermal> I've had people say "source code? that's just zeros and ones isn't it" when I worked at suse
[04:29] <Nermal> god bless the hold button
[04:29] <kreiger> but i don't have sound now
[04:29] <Nermal> kreiger, there was an esd sound problem a couple of days back
[04:29] <Nermal> but I thought it was fixed now :|
[04:29] <Echylo> lol nermal
[04:29] <Echylo> you worked at suse?
[04:29] <Nermal> and that was only in hoary
[04:29] <Nermal> Echylo, aye :|
[04:29] <kreiger> Well, i got sound on login at the main screen, that drum beat
[04:30] <kreiger> but now, nothing
[04:30] <apokryphos7> Anyone have any idea why Ubuntu refuses to play sound out through all speakers?
[04:30] <kreiger> lemme try an mp3
[04:30] <wdh> apokryphos7, it doesnt
[04:30] <Nermal> kreiger, change the sound thingy ?
[04:30] <wdh> :P
[04:30] <dtygel> I'll give up for now folks! Must lunch!
[04:31] <Nermal> system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ?
[04:31] <wdh> at least not mine.. maybe you should redefine _all_ a bit..
[04:31] <dtygel> no php4 installed!  I'm installing kcontrol. Should I install other packages?
[04:33] <Nermal> I've only used ubuntu for like a couple of months :|
[04:33] <Nermal> ceu, not if you don't need to I guess
[04:33] <Echylo> I use it since wednesday
[04:33] <Nermal> apt should sort out the dependencies :|
[04:33] <Echylo> thoreauputic, I was just kidding
[04:33] <Echylo> I know
[04:33] <Echylo> unrar is already installed
[04:33] <Echylo> :p
[04:33] <kreiger> mm
[04:33] <ceu> Nermal: the "problem" is that font used by keb is ugly :-)
[04:33] <Echylo> already unraring
[04:33] <kreiger> how do i get to system?
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Echylo: yeah, I saw it too late :)
[04:34] <Nermal> ceu, ah... you use kde ?
[04:34] <ceu> Nermal: s/keb/k3b
[04:34] <Echylo> :)
[04:34] <vi11e> hey has anyone got dcgui or dcui-qt or some other direct connect client installed without compiling from sources ?
[04:34] <ceu> Nermal: no, i'm using k3b under gnome
[04:34] <Nermal> Ceu: just use nautilus-cd-burner ?
[04:34] <Nermal> or did you want music cds and all that
[04:35] <Nermal> gnomebaker is quite nice.. but I can't see a .deb for it :|
[04:35] <kreiger> m
[04:35] <kreiger> nerman, where do get into system?
[04:35] <kreiger> nermal*
[04:35] <Echylo> how to install a normal .deb on your HD?
[04:35] <apokryphos7> wdh: Erm, it really does.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[04:36] <Echylo> k thankies
[04:36] <ceu> Nermal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[04:36] <Nermal> :D
[04:36] <Nermal> kreiger, hmm ?
[04:36] <spiral> hmmm, any new about ipw2200 fix ?
[04:36] <kreiger> Nermal, how do i get INTO system
[04:36] <kreiger> for the system --> preferences stuff
[04:36] <ceu> Nermal: here there is the .deb of the latest version
[04:36] <Nermal> splendid
[04:37] <Nermal> I created an ebuild for gentoo but not seen a .deb before now :0
[04:37] <Nermal> kreiger, into what system sweetie ?
[04:37] <Echylo> lol
 <Nermal> system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ?
[04:37] <Echylo> I tried to install cedega
[04:37] <kreiger> That system, hunny.
[04:37] <Echylo> but it gave me depency error
[04:37] <Echylo> so I install libpng3
[04:37] <Nermal> wouldn't you all just love it if I turned out to be a big breasted slim single brunette now
[04:37] <Echylo> and it automatically installs cedega
[04:37] <Echylo> :D
[04:37] <kreiger> No, i'm taken
[04:37] <edulix> well noone know how to center image in the monitor's screen?
[04:38] <Nermal> kreiger, entry on the gnome panel
[04:38] <kreiger> and my GF would tear your eyes out.
[04:38] <Nermal> applications | places |system
[04:38] <Nermal> at least on mine..
[04:38] <Nermal> maybe thats a gnome 2.10 thing :/
[04:38] <kreiger> lol
[04:38] <kreiger> yeah, i don't have that
[04:38] <kreiger> how do i upgrade to gnome 2.10?
[04:38] <Nermal> well.. upgrade to hoary :)
[04:38] <kreiger> hm.
[04:39] <kreiger> Is that wise considering my newbishness?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> kreiger: probably not ;)
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> kreiger, all you need is: apt-get dist-upgrade, after replacing all instances of "warty" to "hoary" inside /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> and an apt-get update in between btw
[04:40] <kreiger> Yeah, but it's still unstable, right?
[04:40] <snowblink_> Does bind9 have an internal root nameserver list?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> kreiger: yes
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> kreiger, my x86 runs it just fine
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> but, yeah
[04:40] <kreiger> yeah, i'm newbi
[04:40] <kreiger> i'll try it later
[04:40] <kreiger> and i'm running athlong xp 2400+
[04:41] <Nakah> hello, is it possible to specify wich modules to load at boot time ?
[04:41] <snowblink_> Nakah: /etc/modules
[04:41] <Thom_Holwerda> where on earth does ubuntu store the xf86config-4 file
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Nakah: put their names in /etc/modules
[04:41] <Nakah> I know this one but all modules are not there
[04:41] <snowblink_> Thom_Holwerda: /etc/X11
[04:41] <thoreauputic> /etc/X11
[04:41] <kreiger> MM
[04:41] <Thom_Holwerda> ?
[04:41] <Thom_Holwerda> it doesnt seem to find it... mmm
[04:41] <kreiger> is apt-get upgrade always the best idea?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> snowblink_: ;)
[04:42] <Nakah> because Ubuntu is loading modules that I don't need
[04:42] <Xappe> hmm, can you get skype working with polypaudio somehow?
[04:42] <tritium> Xappe, hey
[04:43] <Pointwood> the latest version of Mozilla Thunderbird that seem to be available is 0.8 - anyone know whether 1.0 will be available soon?
[04:43] <kreiger> hey Nermal, out of curiousity, ARE you female? or did you just call me sweetie cause i'm annoying you?
[04:43] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda
[04:43] <Semt-X> ./etc/X11
[04:43] <Semt-X> I think ;)
[04:43] <Nermal> no.. I called you sweetie as it's endearing and keeps the channel sweeter :P
[04:43] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda, query me
[04:43] <Nermal> diffuses rage
[04:43] <kreiger> Awww
[04:43] <kreiger> Who's raging?
[04:43] <Echylo> some knows a good renamer program for ubuntu?
[04:44] <Nermal> no-one at the moment.. it seems to be working :)
[04:44] <tritium> Pointwood, in warty?
[04:44] <kreiger> cool
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Nermal: do I detect a hint of sarcasm? ;)
[04:44] <Nermal> me?
[04:44] <tritium> Pointwood, only security updates at this point in Warty.
[04:44] <thoreauputic> hehe
[04:44] <snowblink_> Echylo: rename?
[04:44] <ceu> what should I use to make a cd/dvd copy (as ISO image) on my hard disk?
[04:44] <Nermal> I call my boss darling sometimes :| he's not to keen on that :|
[04:44] <Echylo> is that a question?
[04:44] <Echylo> or a suggestion
[04:44] <Nermal> I just forget :|
[04:44] <kreiger> brb. restarting gnome again
[04:44] <kreiger> i mean ubuntu
[04:44] <Nermal> rename is a program
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Echylo: suggestion
[04:45] <Pointwood> tritium: yes, Warty, but I tried adding the hoary rep and that didn't change
[04:45] <Nermal> it renames multiple files
[04:45] <Nermal> otherwise use mv
[04:45] <Echylo> hmm
[04:45] <Nermal> mv <oldfilename> <newfilename>
[04:45] <tritium> Pointwood, I have 1.0 on Hoary
[04:45] <Echylo> not it's to cut pieces out of names
[04:45] <Nakah> can someone help me ?
[04:45] <Echylo> like -EMG on end of songs etc
[04:45] <Nermal> Nakah, just ask the question
[04:45] <Nermal> *Sigh*
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Echylo: sed. awk, cut
[04:46] <Echylo> eh?
[04:46] <Nermal> why do people insist on making people work to get the information to help them
[04:46] <snowblink_> Nermal: to annoy you. ;)
[04:46] <Ribs> 'cos people are stupid
[04:46] <Nermal> thoreauputic, :)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Echylo: heh - that sounds like a foreign language, eh?
[04:46] <Nermal> snowblink_, that's it!
[04:46] <Nermal> sed is splendid
[04:46] <tritium> Ribs, no need for that
[04:46] <Nakah> I've already asked it, :) Ubuntu is loading modules that I don't need, where can I specify modules that I don't want ?
[04:46] <Xappe> tritium, hello
[04:46] <kreiger> k
[04:46] <tritium> Xappe, how are you?
[04:46] <Ribs> tritium: It's the truth!
[04:47] <snowblink_> Nakah: try /etc/modules.conf
[04:47] <tritium> Nakah, blacklist them
[04:47] <kreiger> can i upgrade to 2.10 WITHOUT switching to hoary?
[04:47] <Ribs> tritium: As soon as people need help or something from you, they turn dumb.
[04:47] <kreiger> or will it be unstable?
[04:47] <LinuxJones> Nakah, it's kind of a mess really
[04:47] <Ribs> tritium: Try working in Retail for a while, you'll see what I mean.
[04:47] <Pointwood> tritium: I temporarily added this rep: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[04:47] <Nermal> kreiger, hoary IS unstable
[04:47] <tritium> LinuxJones, not with blacklisting.  It's easy
[04:47] <kreiger> I know
[04:47] <Nakah> How can I blacklist them ,
[04:47] <thoreauputic> kreiger: it will be unstable
[04:47] <Nermal> :)
[04:47] <Nakah> ?
[04:47] <kreiger> what about gnome 2.10?
[04:47] <LinuxJones> blacklisting doesn't work for some modules
[04:47] <kreiger> k
[04:47] <kreiger> that answers my question
[04:47] <Nermal> it would probably be more work
[04:47] <tritium> Nakah, append the modules you don't want to load to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:47] <kreiger> so now i need to find media preferences so i can swtch
[04:48] <Nermal> is there no preferences menu in gnome anywhere ?
[04:48] <krism> Nakah : /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:48] <Nermal> it's under preferences here which may be desktop preferences in gnome 2.8
[04:48] <Nakah> ok, thanks I will try this
[04:48] <Xappe> tritium, well, i'm fine but the "winter vomit desease" is spreading at work...eeek...
[04:48] <tritium> ick
[04:48] <LinuxJones> tritium, I tried blacklisting about 10 different modules but they keeps getting called from somewhere else :(
[04:49] <tritium> LinuxJones, which ones?
[04:49] <kreiger> I see a device manager
[04:49] <LinuxJones> tritium, I think they are required by other modules being loaded from some other place
[04:49] <Pointwood> what repository do I need to add to sources.list to get Thunderbird 1.0?
[04:49] <tritium> LinuxJones, perhaps
[04:49] <chutwig> friends, is there by any chance an area where hoary ISOs are built on a scheduled basis for testing?
[04:49] <chutwig> sort of like how debian testing gets new CD sets built each week
[04:49] <tritium> Pointwood, it's in main
[04:50] <tritium> chutwig, daily
[04:50] <chutwig> ah
[04:50] <LinuxJones> tritium, vesafb, cfbcopyarea, cfbimgblt, cfbfillrect, agpgart .... the list goes on and on
[04:50] <Pointwood> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse <-- shouldn't that work then?
[04:50] <tritium> LinuxJones, agpgart, for one, is being loaded by intel_agp (if that's your arch)
[04:51] <chutwig> so i guess hoary hasn't got any snapshot images built, then
[04:51] <tritium> Pointwood, did you apt-get upgrade after adding that?
[04:51] <Pointwood> hrm
[04:51] <LinuxJones> tritium, I have junky via chipset :(
[04:51] <Pointwood> that might be it :)
[04:51] <chutwig> ;_;
[04:51] <tritium> LinuxJones, I blacklisted intel_agp in order to use NvAGP
[04:52] <tritium> Pointwood, definitely
[04:52] <tritium> chutwig, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[04:52] <chutwig> debian is pissing me off
[04:52] <chutwig> tritium: hey-zeus will sing your praises for years to come
[04:52] <tritium> chutwig, heh, thanks
[04:53] <LinuxJones> tritium, lahh
[04:53] <chutwig> debian does not play nice with any computer that uses SATA
[04:53] <tritium> LinuxJones, the others are probably loaded by fbcon
[04:53] <thoreauputic> chutwig: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ubuntu+daily+iso+hoary&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[04:54] <chutwig> thoreauputic: thanks, tritium already showed me where to find them
[04:54] <thoreauputic> chutwig: ;)
[04:54] <chutwig> incidentally, does anyone have any experience using non-standard resolutions with a radeon
[04:54] <Codyman> where can i report a broken apt-get package?
[04:55] <Codyman> chutwig: like what non standard
[04:55] <chutwig> the last computer had an i915, which wouldn't do 1680x1050 because xorg didn't know how to set the video BIOS mode
[04:55] <LinuxJones> tritium, fbcon not loaded either
[04:55] <chutwig> if this radeon has the same problem i will be upset and may have to reinstall windows :(
[04:55] <Codyman> chutwig: 1680x1050 thats a pretty non standard resolution :-)
[04:56] <chutwig> meh, it's a dell 2005fpw
[04:56] <Echylo> omg
[04:56] <Echylo> now gaim says I need correct SSL support
[04:56] <Echylo> didn't deleted a shit
[04:56] <Codyman> chutwig: well have you edited your xorg.conf
[04:56] <krism> anybody know what could be periodically causing my laptop h/d?
[04:56] <chutwig> Codyman: i haven't even touched that computer yet, i'm at work right now using their bandwidth to get the daily hoary image
[04:57] <Codyman> chutwig: so do you have hoary installed, or the warty one
[04:57] <krism> (ubuntu warty, mostly stock install, ext3 - im wondering if journalling is doing this)
[04:57] <chutwig> Codyman: there's nothing installed yet
[04:57] <kreiger> hm
[04:57] <Echylo> heelp! :p
[04:57] <Echylo> I need SSL for Gaim
[04:57] <Echylo> what do I need to install
[04:57] <Nermal> install it then
[04:57] <kreiger> Nermal, when i try to record something, the recorder program freezes
[04:57] <Nermal> libssl ?
[04:57] <Codyman> chutwig: o in that case it should work.. you just need to install hoary and edit the xorg.conf.. as long as your monitor supports that
[04:57] <Echylo> It's installed :s
[04:58] <Nermal> libnss
[04:58] <Nermal> for msn
[04:58] <chutwig> Codyman: i'm just concerned about the xorg module for the card also not supporting it
[04:58] <chutwig> but if ATI were the ones who did it it ought to work
[04:58] <chutwig> guess i'll find out when i get home from work
[04:58] <Nermal> Echylo, apt-get install libnss3
[04:58] <chutwig> nothing like babysitting a bunch of windows XP upgrades all day long
[04:58] <Codyman> chutwig: i have an ATI Radeon 9200 PCI card even and i'm using custom resolutions as well
[04:58] <chutwig> Codyman: that's good news
[04:59] <Echylo> it is installed Nermal
[04:59] <Nermal> then it should woerk
[04:59] <Echylo> why you think I ask ...
[04:59] <Nermal> because you are incapable of operating the os you've installed ?
[04:59] <Nermal> I just don't know
[05:00] <Nermal> :)
[05:00] <Echylo> it worked yesterday
[05:00] <tritium> Nermal, be nice
[05:00] <Nermal> Echylo, excellent answer :)
[05:00] <Nermal> tritium, I am
[05:00] <vladis> I have a problem with my resolution I am now with 1024X768 85 Hz, but I want to be with 100 Hz. What I have to do?
[05:00] <Nermal> but he asks for help, I give him help and he goes "why you think I ask"
[05:01] <Nermal> the real question would be "why do I continue to help him" ?
[05:01] <Nermal> because I'm an arse obviously
[05:01] <Echylo> yes
[05:01] <Echylo> you are
[05:01] <Nermal> vladis, if you have gnome you can use the screen resolution applet
[05:01] <Echylo> but you're ok
[05:01] <Nermal> Echylo, two cheeks are better than one :P
[05:01] <Nermal> means I can turn the other one :)
[05:02] <Echylo> libnss3 is already the newest version.
[05:02] <Echylo> :)
[05:02] <Echylo> You think I invent this? :p
[05:02] <Nermal> Echylo, I think you don't give us an error message
[05:02] <Echylo> wait then
[05:02] <thoreauputic> thanks to whoever posted the link for gnomebaker debs !
[05:02] <spiral> hmmm... any idea when the latest ooo testing will be put in hoary ?
[05:02] <Nermal> you formulate your own idea of whats wrong rather than letting us workit out
[05:02] <Nermal> spiral, there was an update earlier today
[05:03] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, it works very nicely, been using gnomebaker for about a week
[05:03] <Nermal> 767 or something ..
[05:03] <Echylo> SSL Support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library.
[05:03] <Nermal> hm
[05:03] <Echylo> and I installed libnss3
[05:03] <Nermal> thats the lib it needs
[05:03] <Nermal> not sure why it can't find it
[05:03] <spiral> Nermal: yes, I know... they updated on their website... And I think the version on hoary is older
[05:03] <ceu> Pointwood: I'm using firefox from ubuntu-backports repository (on my warty)
[05:03] <Echylo> would rebooting help?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: yeah - I tried greveman but it compiled then refused to talk to cdrecord ;)
[05:03] <Echylo> not that it's windows
[05:03] <Echylo> but maybe?
[05:04] <Nermal> peter@ubuntu:~$ oowriter2 --version
[05:04] <Nermal> This is OpenOffice.org built with ooo-build-1.9.74
[05:04] <Pointwood> ceu: well, there's no thunderbird 1.0 available in the backports AFAIK
[05:04] <ceu> Pointwood: yes, there is
[05:05] <ceu> dpkg --status mozilla-thunderbird|grep Version
[05:05] <ceu> Version: 1.0-0ubuntu1-4.10ubp1
[05:05] <spiral> Nermal: yeah, wright... & on the website : m79
[05:05] <spiral> Nermal: http://download.openoffice.org/680/index.html
[05:05] <Nermal> hum
[05:05] <ceu> I'm using that
[05:05] <Nermal> I dunno
[05:06] <Pointwood> hrm
[05:06] <spiral> Nermal: hmmm, and what about the locales... Do you know if they can be packaged ?
[05:06] <Nermal> it's bloody ugly whatever build it is :|
[05:06] <Nermal> spiral, no idea
[05:07] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, it only crashed once while assembling a dvd backup of about3 gigs of data
[05:07] <fc> how can i upgrade to firefox 1.0 ?
[05:07] <Nermal> firefox 1.0 should be in warty :|
[05:07] <Nermal> I thought
[05:07] <Nermal> and hoary
[05:07] <tritium> Nope
[05:07] <Nermal> hm :/
[05:07] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: hmm - I won't be puttingit under that kind of presure :)
[05:08] <spiral> Nermal: ;-)
[05:08] <krism> fc, nemal: just get firefox 1.0 and thunderbird 1.0 from mozilla.org,
[05:08] <tritium> Close enough, though:  0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3 in Warty
[05:08] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I know it's only early in development but what the heck, they are re-writable dvd 's :)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> fc: I installed the binary from mozilla.org - works fine on warty
[05:08] <krism> and install them in ~, maybe make ~/apps .. then change your shortcuts and preferred apps to your local install
[05:08] <jovian> questoin how can I set the background for all nautilus windows at once
[05:08] <snowblink_> FYI to answer my own earlier question: bind9 has the root servers compiled in
[05:09] <fc> thanks
[05:09] <jovian> I know how to do it one at a time but can't find any option or setting to make it all over
[05:09] <Pointwood> ceu: something must be wrong with my sources.list then
[05:09] <jovian> and its annoying changing them one at a time
[05:10] <Echylo> voila
[05:10] <Echylo> gaim error fixed
[05:10] <Echylo> :p
[05:10] <firefly> WINE question.  How do I get around MS new wine detection thing?  I need some base files...
[05:10] <Nermal> Echylo, probably needed an ldconfig
[05:10] <krism> firefly : set your wine install to emulate XP.
[05:10] <Nermal> meh
[05:10] <Pointwood> ceu, I got this: deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe <-- shouldn't that be enough?
[05:10] <firefly> How?
[05:11] <krism> firefly i dunno, never used wine. see the /. story about it.
[05:11] <ceu> Pointwood: deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:11] <ceu> Pointwood: that's the old url
[05:11] <tritium> firefly, in your .wine directory, there's a config file
[05:12] <firefly> Tx, got it.
[05:12] <jovian> nevermind just found it
[05:13] <Pointwood> ceu: k, thx
[05:15] <krism> anybody know a quick way to prevent my hard drive from going into sleep mode?
[05:15] <Semt-X> check bios?
[05:15] <Pointwood> ceu: that helped quite a bit :)
[05:15] <krism> it's actually something in warty doing it :/
[05:16] <Semt-X> oshi
[05:16] <thenuke> krism: hpdarm maybe?
[05:16] <kreiger> mm, Is Nerman still around or do i have to bug somebody else now?
[05:16] <kreiger> nermal.
[05:16] <kreiger> ARGH
[05:16] <krism> (in windows, you can do this by opening the "Power Management" but in the control panel
[05:16] <krism> thenuke : ill check it out
[05:16] <kreiger> stupid n
[05:16] <thenuke> "hdparm -S   set standby (spindown) timeout"
[05:16] <thenuke> try -S0 or something
[05:17] <krism> thenuke : thanks, according to hdparm manpage, -S0 will do the trick
[05:17] <thenuke> great
[05:17] <krism> thenuke (waiting until this cd finishes burning before i mess with hdparm )
[05:18] <tritium> kreiger, what's going on?
[05:19] <vi11e> tell me some movie player which I could install with apt-get and plugins with apt-get if necessary to play my dvd movie
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Anybody recommend a decent 17 " LCD screen "on the cheap" !!
[05:19] <tritium> vi11e, see ubuntuguide.org
[05:20] <vi11e> well there they say xmms but I can't get it working... I click open file and nothing happens
[05:20] <vi11e> or some open file dialog appears
[05:20] <vi11e> and same thing was with xine
[05:20] <Nermal> kreiger, ?
[05:20] <Nermal> stupid n ? :)
[05:21] <tritium> vi11e, you need more than just the player
[05:21] <kreiger> Yeah, i called you nerman again
[05:21] <kreiger> Anyway, i'm still rolling around the same problem with sound.
[05:22] <tritium> vi11e, did you do this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback ?
[05:22] <vi11e> yes
[05:22] <kreiger> i did just update my kernel to be more AMd xp specific tho.
[05:22] <vi11e> I can play my movies with totem player but for example my boogie nights dvd just doesn't work
[05:22] <vi11e> or well, I have tried simpsons dvd's they work with totem player, but boogie nights doesn't work :(
[05:22] <Nermal> kreiger, hum
[05:23] <Nermal> its not under the desktop preferences ?
[05:23] <vi11e> I'll try xine-ui once more then
[05:23] <kreiger> is there a button to screenshot?
[05:23] <kreiger> i'll show you what's there
[05:23] <Nermal> print-screen should work
[05:23] <Nermal> in gnome
[05:23] <evarlast> vi11e: decss?
[05:23] <vi11e> what's decs?
[05:23] <Nermal> else import -root <filename> I think
[05:23] <tritium> vi11e, I just gave you a URL for that
[05:24] <Nermal> vi11e, install libdvdread
[05:24] <vi11e> you gave url to dvdplayback
[05:24] <thoreauputic> import -window root filename
[05:24] <kreiger> then how do i paste it somewhere?
[05:24] <tritium> vi11e, which included installing libdvdcss2
[05:24] <vi11e> I have that installed ye
[05:24] <tritium> you just asked what it was
[05:25] <vi11e> I asked what decss is, not libdvdcss.. I thought it was other thing
[05:25] <Nermal> thoreauputic, thats the one
[05:25] <Nermal> shameful ;)
[05:25] <Nermal> libdvdread has decss in it I thought
[05:25] <vi11e> hmm, I don't know about libdvdread though...
[05:25] <Nermal> or maybe not :|
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Nermal: but I don't think imagemagick is installed by default ...
[05:26] <Nermal> ah ..good point
[05:26] <tritium> thoreauputic, just use print-screen
[05:26] <tritium> or alt-print-screen if you want to capture just a window
[05:26] <thoreauputic> tritium: or the gimp :)
[05:27] <thoreauputic> or whatever...
[05:27] <tritium> yes, if you want to start it up :)
[05:27] <Nermal> or scrot :P
[05:27] <tritium> that sounds nasty
[05:27] <Nermal> and kind of sexual :P
[05:27] <Nermal> I guess the lack of "um" makes it all the better
[05:28] <thoreauputic> actually print screen doesn't seem to work here :/
[05:28] <tritium> indeed
[05:28] <Nermal> thoreauputic, works in gnome on my gentoo box
[05:28] <tritium> thoreauputic, check your Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:28] <Nermal> I was surprised :|
[05:28] <thoreauputic> tritium: right
[05:29] <Nermal> it opened gnome screenshot on mine
[05:30] <aroman> okie... I upgraded to hoary... how do I upgrade to X.org?
[05:32] <tritium> aroman, dist-upgrade automaticall upgrades to X.org
[05:32] <aroman> tritium, dist-upgrade also removes ubuntu-desktop :(
[05:33] <vi11e> heyy, I manage open the dvd with xine, but the xines gui, the control things are real small.. how do I enlarge them? :S and why doesn't that xine accept my mouse pressings within the dvd screen
[05:33] <vi11e> fonts are small
[05:33] <tritium> aroman, did you allow that to happen, or did you not dist-upgrade?
[05:34] <aroman> tritium, I did upgrade, not dist-upgrade as someone here recommended
[05:35] <tritium> aroman, that's actually smart of you to observe
[05:35] <vi11e> hmm , so if I installed that dvd-playback capability codecs, it should be fine hmm.. is there any other alternative codecs maybe that I could try
[05:35] <tritium> aroman, is ubuntu-desktop the only think it wants to remove?
[05:35] <tritium> If so, that's trivial.  It's just a metapackage
[05:35] <aroman> tritium, no.. iirc...
[05:36] <kreiger> brb
[05:38] <kreiger> Yo.
[05:38] <aroman> tritium, 27 packages in total. Some -dev, esound, fglrx-driver (which HAS to be removed), and xserver-xfree86
[05:38] <aroman> and 2 python modules...
[05:38] <aroman> and those 27 include ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <tritium> arachne, fixedpoint and mpz?
[05:38] <aroman> tritium, what should I do? go forward with dist-upgrade?
[05:39] <tritium> arachne, sorry, wrong person ;)
[05:39] <tritium> aroman, esound will be replaced with polypaudio when ubuntu-desktop is upgraded anyway.  python-fixedpoint and -mpz are removed, yes
[05:40] <kreiger> hrm
[05:40] <kreiger> Nermal?
[05:40] <tritium> aroman, I can't make that decision for you.
[05:40] <tritium> It's up to you.
[05:40] <aroman> tritium, so... should I go forward with dist-upgrade? A ton of new packages will be installed...
[05:40] <Nermal> sorry
[05:40] <Nermal> I was on the toilet and I have no wifi at work
[05:40] <tritium> glad to know that
[05:40] <Nermal> well..
[05:40] <kreiger> heh
[05:40] <aroman> tritium, lol... meh... I'll do it.. shouldn't matter
[05:41] <Nermal> *core dump*
[05:41] <kreiger> i dun wanna know
[05:41] <Nermal> moving on..
[05:41] <kreiger> check THIS little thing out.
[05:41] <tritium> apt-get remove --purge bowel
[05:41] <Nermal> kreiger, I bet you say that to all the girls
[05:41] <kreiger> I found out some of my sound mixers were muted
[05:41] <kreiger> so i unmuted and turned the sound up
[05:41] <Nermal> ah :0
[05:41] <kreiger> and i definetely here hissing
[05:41] <kreiger> but no sound
[05:41] <kreiger> hear*
[05:41] <Nermal> that doesn't mean much
[05:41] <Nermal> just that your soundcard is relatively noisy :|
[05:41] <Nermal> you need to stop using esd and use alsa
[05:42] <Nermal> though I'm not sure how you switch it
[05:42] <kreiger> me either
[05:42] <Nermal> try disabling it in gconf
[05:42] <Nermal> system tools -> config editor yeah ?
[05:42] <kreiger> yeah
[05:42] <kreiger> in it
[05:42] <kreiger> now where?
[05:42] <Nermal> then drop into desktop ->gnome -> sound
[05:43] <Nermal> and I have "enable esd" and it's checked
[05:43] <Nermal> you could try disabling that
[05:43] <kreiger> checked is when the thing is in, right?
[05:43] <Nermal> um... yes
[05:43] <tritium> kreiger, is this Hoary?
[05:43] <Nermal> tritium, no :(
[05:43] <kreiger> No.
[05:43] <kreiger> Maybe i should just jump into hoary
[05:43] <Nermal> he gets the drum beat but no sound when he logs in :|
[05:43] <kreiger> you guys seem more capable of fixing
[05:43] <tritium> Does Warty have the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[05:44] <tritium> you can choose ALSA that way
[05:44] <Nermal> I don't think so.. thats what I told him to find
[05:44] <kreiger> Noa that i see
[05:44] <tritium> okay
[05:44] <Nermal> it doesn't have the system menu for starters :|
[05:44] <tritium> Computer menu
[05:44] <Nermal> and its not in preferences
[05:44] <kreiger> I looked, trit
[05:44] <tritium> it's in a submenu of Computer if I remember right
[05:44] <tritium> ok
[05:45] <kreiger> I have desktop pref and.. system config
[05:45] <kreiger> and neither of them have a multimedia thing
[05:45] <aroman> does anyone notice that evolution is really slow to retrieve emails from a pop server on warty?
[05:46] <kreiger> i REALLY think it's the camera drives
[05:46] <kreiger> i know that knoppix did something with them
[05:46] <kreiger> anyway, i unenabled esd, do i need to reboot?
[05:46] <kreiger> cause i still get no sound
[05:46] <Nermal> just restart X
[05:46] <thoreauputic> aroman: seems OK here
[05:46] <kreiger> except for a hissing in my headphones
[05:46] <Nermal> ie: logout
[05:46] <kreiger> k
[05:46] <kreiger> one sec
[05:47] <aroman> thoreauputic, :(
[05:48] <kreiger> i get nada.
[05:48] <kreiger> one sec
[05:48] <Pallino> soory
[05:49] <Pointwood> I've added a few applications to my Applications menu, but they don't show up, though if I open the folder by running applications:// then they are there?!
[05:49] <njan> Pointwood, have you restarted gnome?
[05:49] <Pointwood> yes
[05:49] <njan> Pointwood, :(
[05:49] <kreiger> k.loud hissing in my headphones, but still nothing
[05:49] <afo-blackness> hey all i am back again with an problem
[05:49] <Pointwood> njan: the machine has been rebooted
[05:49] <njan> Pointwood, not sure what the problem is, then..
[05:50] <afo-blackness> wtf i got kicked
[05:50] <afo-blackness> just gived my commanbd line
[05:51] <Nermal> excess flood dear
[05:51] <njan> * afo-blackness has quit (Excess Flood)
[05:51] <afo-blackness> any dedicated server (games cs source) users who know about linux problems ?
[05:51] <ebag> is there any problem w/installing 2 versions of libgtk?  i.e. libgtk1.2-dev and libgtk2.0-dev ?
[05:51] <afo-blackness> then pm because here i flood in the main chat
[05:51] <kreiger> hm
[05:51] <Nermal> ebag, shouldn't be
[05:51] <kreiger> hm
[05:51] <kreiger> here's a question
[05:51] <tezem> My friend compiled a new kernel with the config from the standard kernel he used before but he now gets a Kernel Panic. It's likely that the Problem has to do with the initrd. We don't have a initrd for this kernel. Where could it found?
[05:52] <Nermal> tezem, mkinitrd
[05:52] <kreiger> if i use the ubuntu CD to wipe the partitions linux is currently on, can i overwrite my grub safely?
[05:52] <kreiger> cause i think it's the drivers from the cam for some reason.
[05:52] <Nermal> I think so...
[05:52] <kreiger> i don't want to lose my windows partition
[05:52] <Nermal> yeah you do!
[05:52] <afo-blackness> any 1 ?????????
[05:52] <Nermal> gowaaaaan
[05:53] <Nermal> afo-blackness, it should just be a concise question
[05:53] <kreiger> not until i have a stable linux one.
[05:53] <kreiger> and not until i have Cedega working properly so i can play CS:S
[05:53] <afo-blackness> i found something:  ./hlds_run: line 423: 4026 Segmentatie fout (core dumped) $HL_CMD
[05:53] <Chester> hi
[05:53] <afo-blackness> maybe that is my problem.
[05:53] <tezem> Nermal: for what are these initrds?
[05:54] <kreiger> i might as well try it.
[05:54] <kreiger> see you guys on the other side.
[05:54] <Chester> can someone help me with my install. Every time I want to install it, it looks like this: http://www.chester.speedxs.nl/fubar.jpg
[05:54] <Nermal> tezem, initrd = initial ramdisk - loads an inital filesystem with things like filesystem driver modules and things in
[05:54] <edmack> Hi, when I plug my non UMS iRiver (899), it crashes my wacom drivers in Warty and Hoary
[05:54] <Nermal> Chester, looks like a framebuffer issue
[05:54] <edmack> should I report it in bugzilla?
[05:54] <Nermal> try booting the install with vga=normal
[05:55] <tezem> Nermal: why is this needed in Ubuntu. I use Arch and I don't need such things
[05:55] <Chester> k, I'll try that now
[05:55] <Nermal> tezem, compile the kernel without initrd support ?
[05:55] <afo-blackness> i found probaly the error:  ./hlds_run: line 423: 4026 Segmentatie fout (core dumped) $HL_CMD       at least i hope so,
[05:55] <Thom_Holwerda> ive had it with ubuntu-sparc and linux-sparc in general :(
[05:56] <Thom_Holwerda> im gettign back to solaris on my sparc
[05:56] <afo-blackness> for my full
[05:56] <afo-blackness> error please go to
[05:56] <Nermal> afo-blackness, gdb ?
[05:56] <afo-blackness> http://forum.counter-strike.nl/showthread.php?t=11302
[05:56] <afo-blackness> gdb ??? huh ?
[05:57] <tezem> Nermal: yes ok but why should somebody need this initrd support?
[05:57] <Nermal> because some distros want to load ide controller modules in before they try to load the root fs
[05:57] <Nermal> and they can only do that if they are not on the fs they are trying to read ;)
[05:58] <Chester> Nermal, It still looks like that
[05:58] <Nermal> hometime :0
[05:58] <tezem> Nermal: ok thx
[05:58] <Nermal> *waves*
[05:59] <pronik> hi guys, is there any possibility to start gnome-volume-manager in a non-gnome session automatically?
[05:59] <afo-blackness> so still no one knows
[06:01] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: BLEH
[06:01] <Moof> hey
[06:01] <LinuxJones> afo-blackness, did you try a Half-Life/CS support channel ?
[06:02] <Moof> how do I add an application to the applications menu?
[06:03] <spiral> Moof: applications:/ in gnome ?
[06:03] <spiral> Moof: nautilus
[06:03] <thoreauputic> applications:///
[06:04] <afo-blackness> no linuxjones i don;t know the server.
[06:04] <spiral> thoreauputic: whoa... so much "/" :-p
[06:04] <thoreauputic> or right click in the menu and add from there on warty
[06:04] <thoreauputic> spiral: works here ;-)
[06:05] <thoreauputic> don't know what the extra // are for...
[06:05] <afo-blackness> linuxjones ?????????
[06:05] <spiral> thoreauputic: I'm under kde, won't check... But this kind of reminds me the C:\\Windows\\" & etc things when I had to devel under windows... or the "\\\\\uncname\\thing" for network under windows
[06:05] <Pointwood> repost: I've added a few applications to my Applications menu, but they don't show up, though if I open the folder by running applications:// then they are there?!
[06:06] <thoreauputic> spiral: actually one works fine - jut tried it
[06:06] <spiral> thoreauputic: all right, thanks :-)
[06:06] <LinuxJones> afo-blackness, you've used Linux before ?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> spiral: I just did it that way because someone told me that!
[06:07] <spiral> thoreauputic: all right, no problem... I was just amazed :-)
[06:07] <firefly> Does the hoary xorg already have the xorg.6.8.2 ati drivers?  Switched from arch, where I ran 6.8.2 and I could get a screen with 1280x1024, ubuntu only gives me 1024x768.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> spiral: yes, don't know why I was told that - it was one of the devs here as well
[06:07] <spiral> thoreauputic: :-)
[06:09] <thoreauputic> I have xcdroast as well, but this seems to work well
[06:10] <Moof> ok, so now I have a folder there, how do I create the pgadmin3 app in there?
[06:10] <dem> any hints on buildking a lirc modules?
[06:10] <firefly> gnomebaker, which version -- universe?
[06:10] <kent> graveman is a good burning program aswell.
[06:10] <thoreauputic> firefly: no - I'll give you a link
[06:11] <thoreauputic> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[06:11] <thoreauputic> firefly: ^^^
[06:12] <LinuxJones> kent, graveman looks too much like xcdroast
[06:12] <thoreauputic> kent: I compiled graveman on warty - but it errored out talking tocdrecord for some reason
[06:13] <thoreauputic> kent: I was annoyed as I spent some time getting the dependencies together for the build :/
[06:13] <spiral> hmmm... Any new about a package for amarok 1.2 final ?
[06:13] <spiral> Riddell: maybe ?
[06:13] <dem> i wish there was a lirc kernel package, because they don't build with a stock kernel-headers
[06:14] <Riddell> spiral: it's on my todo list, keep poking me and I might do it this evening
[06:15] <firefly> thoreauputic:  Tx, installed.  Looks good.  BTW, live in Thoreaus fav. state in US...
[06:15] <Semt-X> You like that?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> firefly: :)
[06:15] <spiral> Riddell: all right.. If you want it :-)
[06:15] <spiral> Riddell: please !!! ;-)
[06:17] <Mitario> is anyone seeing weird X overlay color changes?
[06:17] <Mitario> If I start totem, and I play a movie, I everytime have to go to Display settings and reset the color sliders
[06:18] <Moof> hmmm
[06:18] <Mitario> and i have to set saturation all the way to 0 to get normal colors
[06:18] <Moof> is there anywhere I can get a postgresql 8 package for warty?
[06:21] <vi11e> how can I unpack an .ace file ?
[06:22] <kaha> Hello
[06:22] <zenrox> hello
[06:23] <kaha> I have a question. Does the spam filtering on Evolution actually work for everyone else, or am I missing something? It's for an imap account.
[06:23] <afo-blackness> as i said i am totally new to linux
[06:24] <kaha> Or would #evolution be a better place to ask that?  :)
[06:24] <zenrox> kaha dont know
[06:24] <thoreauputic> kaha: not sure, but I think it needs "training"
[06:24] <zenrox> ya i agree
[06:25] <thoreauputic> I would guess it improves as you tag more stuff as spam
[06:25] <kaha> Been "training" it, but it seems to have no effect. Doesn't even mark stuff as junk. Thunderbird, OTOH, works great. But I like Evolution.
[06:25] <thoreauputic> hmm
[06:26] <kaha> Yeah, this makes me wonder if I've got something wrong.
[06:26] <zenrox> hmmm
[06:26] <dem> getting lirc modules going in hoary is driving me nuts, anyone done it before?
[06:28] <Echylo> hi
[06:28] <Echylo> question :p
[06:28] <Echylo> how you update to hoary? just with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:29] <farruinn> once you've changed every mention of warty to hoary in your sources.list, yes :)
[06:29] <Echylo> ok
[06:29] <farruinn> there is no hoary-updates though (in case you have that)
[06:29] <zenrox> yep hes right
[06:29] <Echylo> that was a little detail I missed :P
[06:29] <Echylo> where is the sources.list again?
[06:29] <kreiger> I have sound
[06:29] <LinuxJones> Echylo, /etc/apt/
[06:29] <Echylo> k thanks
[06:29] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:30] <farruinn> Echylo: also, if you have any backports those might have to be removed first
[06:30] <kreiger> Anybody know how to change your root password when you can't remember it in the first place?
[06:30] <Echylo> I installed a clean ubuntu
[06:30] <kreiger> well, user password
[06:31] <kaha> a true Jedi never forgets his root password.  :P
[06:31] <kaha> heh
[06:31] <kreiger> Well, i'
[06:31] <kreiger> m not jedi
[06:31] <kreiger> and what's weird is that i was able to log into root.
[06:31] <zenrox> lol
[06:31] <kreiger> i mean gnome
[06:31] <kreiger> so i don't know what i did.
[06:32] <kreiger> but entering the same thing gives me an  authentication failure
[06:32] <farruinn> how did you log into gnome?
[06:32] <Echylo> yea was wondering that too
[06:32] <kreiger> user and password
[06:32] <Echylo> so
[06:32] <kreiger> and it worked
[06:32] <Echylo> hmm
[06:32] <Echylo> check your keyboard layout
[06:32] <kreiger> but i'm typing the same thing
[06:32] <Echylo> it doesn't has the same layout at the login
[06:32] <Echylo> not here anyway
[06:32] <kreiger> hrm
[06:32] <kreiger> where do i check that?
[06:32] <Echylo> wow
[06:33] <Echylo> 489mb
[06:33] <Echylo> for hoary ?
[06:33] <Echylo> can that be correct?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:33] <Echylo> lets go then
[06:33] <farruinn> you're upgrading every single package that's installed, it's going to be a lot
[06:33] <Echylo> yes
[06:33] <Echylo> I have time
[06:33] <kreiger> Echylo, how do you check layout?
[06:33] <Echylo> computer
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: what were you expecting? It's a complete upgrade...
[06:33] <Echylo> dekstop config
[06:33] <Echylo> keyboard
[06:34] <kreiger> found it
[06:34] <Echylo> 2nd tab I think
[06:34] <Echylo> how long will it take?
[06:34] <Echylo> 3-4 hours?
[06:34] <Echylo> on a p2 433
[06:34] <kreiger> So, jedi, i can't change this?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Echylo: that depends entirely on the speed of your connection
[06:34] <kreiger> hm
[06:34] <Echylo> ow
[06:34] <Echylo> 150kb/s
[06:34] <kreiger> brb
[06:35] <Echylo> but max 400kb/s
[06:35] <Echylo> now it runs @200
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: well , do the maths
[06:35] <Echylo> yea
[06:35] <Xappe> i did it in like 12 mins, 1,1 MB/s
[06:35] <Echylo> but then it has to set up & stuff
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Xappe: I hate you ! I'm on dialup.. :/
[06:35] <Echylo> lol
[06:35] <Echylo> I have 3.3mbit
[06:36] <Echylo> but it's restricted
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Echylo: that bit won't take long
[06:36] <Echylo> I have a 10gig limit per month
[06:36] <Hannes_> ^_^
[06:36] <Echylo> which is pretty sucky
[06:36] <Hannes_> full rate ADS with no bandwidth limits :P
[06:36] <Hannes_> *ADSL
[06:36] <Echylo> pfuh :p
[06:37] <Xappe> that was when my net were not that filled with porn leechers as it is now
[06:37] <Xappe> *was
[06:37] <Echylo> lol
[06:37] <Hannes_> yap :P
[06:38] <selinium_> hi all, I am trying to dynamically create some javascript with PHP. But i am very new to Javascript. can someone have a look at the output and let me konw where I am going wrong please
[06:38] <Xappe> now I ger around 400 -600 kB/s when updating from the ubuntu repos
[06:38] <Echylo> but why you get 400
[06:38] <Echylo> when I can reach at max 400
[06:38] <selinium_> Duh sorry, wrong tab!
[06:38] <Echylo> and it only downs @ 146
[06:38] <kreiger> i fixed my problem
[06:38] <kreiger> i win at internet
[06:38] <Echylo> what did you solved?
[06:38] <Xappe> Echylo, becaus i'm on a 10 Mbit connection
[06:39] <Echylo> so?
[06:39] <Echylo> if you reach 400 which is normal for you
[06:39] <Echylo> and I only reach 150 and I can reach 400 @ max
[06:39] <Echylo> doesn't sounds logic no?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Echylo: he just has a superior connection
[06:40] <Echylo> hmm
[06:40] <THe_DoOrS>  join #ccpower
[06:40] <Echylo> sudo apt-get install libsuperior-connection
[06:40] <Echylo> it will work!
[06:40] <Echylo> :p
[06:41] <kreiger> lol
[06:41] <thoreauputic> THe_DoOrS: hey, at least be orignal ! ;)
[06:41] <thoreauputic> the trout is a bit *old*
[06:41] <zenrox> thats original
[06:42] <Xappe> well, that should be  "shared 10 Mbit"...and we are connected to the SUNET (swedish university networks) Gbit line
[06:42] <Xappe> something like that
[06:42] <zenrox> lol
[06:43] <farruinn> lol, that doesn't even make sense!
[06:45] <kreiger> Mm
[06:46] <kreiger> i think this is the proper forum to say i frickin LOVE ubuntu
[06:46] <kreiger> ^_^
[06:46] <thoreauputic> that should hurt...
[06:46] <NermalLaptop> boops
[06:47] <kreiger> NermalLaptop, i was right.
[06:47] <kreiger> it was the camera drivers
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> :)
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> well done :)
[06:47] <kreiger> X was loading them instead of my motherboards drivers
[06:47] <thoreauputic> ouch
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> odd
[06:47] <kreiger> SO i reinstalled, and now i'm fine
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> and I'm knackered
[06:47] <kreiger> No, actually in windows when i install the cam, it does the same thing.,
[06:47] <kreiger> it's like "MINE"
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> lol
[06:48] <kreiger> Nermal, what location art thou from?
[06:48] <dr_willis> THe_DoOrS,  whats with the "On Join" invite spam?
[06:48] <ions> anybody here have any idea what the problem is here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=73397#post73397
[06:48] <ions> the whole thread, not just that post
[06:49] <prego> hi! can I change the Xcursor instantly?
[06:49] <NermalLaptop> you cant
[06:49] <dr_willis> the summary of that post is you cant install xmms ?
[06:49] <NermalLaptop> best you can do is apt-get install gcursor
[06:49] <NermalLaptop> and then it will take effect at next logon
[06:50] <prego> NermalLaptop, I've done just that ;-)
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> ah :)
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> me too :)
[06:50] <prego> NermalLaptop, however, do you know why is that not possible? is it sth related to Xorg?
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> probably
[06:50] <kreiger> M
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> I'm not entirely sure why
[06:50] <ions> dr_willis: the WHOLE post is my problem not just the xmms thing
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> my brain is melting
[06:50] <prego> hehe
[06:50] <kreiger> i'm in console, and i was asked if i wanted to view the differences in packagaes
[06:51] <kreiger> i chose to, and now i can't get out of that screen
[06:51] <kreiger> wtf?
[06:51] <markuman> i have problems with apt-get update
[06:51] <markuman> E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htt could not be found.
[06:51] <kreiger> i'm at a thing saying "END"
[06:51] <markuman> what can i do?
[06:51] <NermalLaptop> urgh
[06:51] <prego> Anyone using a SiS card in Hoary's Xorg? cannot enable OpenGL at all...
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> looks like some fs corruption
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> oh hang on
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> does one of your lines in /etc/apt/sources.list read htt:// not http?
[06:52] <WW> markuman: This is a shot in the dark... make sure sources.list doesn't have any errors in it.
[06:52] <markuman> oh. LOL yes. thx
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> :)
[06:52] <Deicide-> Hello i got a problem: I got a new HDD today. BIOS cant recognise my disc, but the Ubuntu installation program did. So i installed the first stage of Ubuntu without problem. Now, it wants me to remove the CD and boot from the HDD to begin the second stage install. The problem is, as i said, that my HDD isnt recognised by BIOS, so i cant start the second stage. Can i, in some way, start the second stage from the CD?
[06:52] <WW> markuman: What NermalLaptop said :)
[06:53] <NermalLaptop> Deicide-, um... how can it not be recognised by the bios ?
[06:54] <dgp> Deicide-: is it a very old machine?
[06:54] <Deicide-> Its an old computer, and it just cant be found. I now that i cant upgrade BIOS, but im fine with booting from a CD or a floppy. So, thats why im wondering if i can boot from the CD.
[06:54] <Deicide-> Its a AMD-K6 at 350 mhz.
[06:54] <NermalLaptop> ah
[06:54] <NermalLaptop> ubuntu wax cylinder edition :)
[06:54] <dgp> Deicide-: and what about the disk? Have you tried with setting lba mode in the bios?
[06:55] <Deicide-> Yes, i have. But i can try again. Wait a few seconds.
[06:55] <prego> Deicide-, just for curiosity, how large is the HD?
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> 3.5"?
[06:56] <Deicide-> It says: "Detecting IDE primary master.. [Press F4 to skip]    And nothing more happen.s
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> badomtish
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> hmm
[06:56] <Deicide-> Its at 3.5" 40gb HDD. My old HDD was also a 40gb and it worked fine.
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> update the bios ?
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> hmm
[06:57] <Deicide-> Actually, its 41 gb.
[06:57] <spiral> Riddell: may I insist ? amarok 1.2 :-p
[06:57] <dgp> Deicide-: strange. same brand?
[06:57] <spiral> Riddell: sorry :-)
[06:57] <Deicide-> No, not the same brand.
[06:57] <Deicide-> So i cant boot the second stage from the CD huh?
[06:57] <dgp> Deicide-: i think not
[06:57] <evarlast> Deicide-: is the drive properly jumpered for the position in the IDE bus?  Master/Slave/etc
[06:57] <NermalLaptop> even if you could it would be pointless
[06:58] <NermalLaptop> as your bios reads the MBR to load the bootloader iirc
[06:58] <dgp> Deicide-: try to enforce some other mode, e.g. chs or large or whatever, until it works
[06:58] <Deicide-> Yes. I mean, the Ubuntu installation found it and installed the system without any problem. So there is nothing wrong with the HDD.
[06:58] <Deicide-> I have tried all.
[06:58] <Deicide-> But i can try again.
[06:58] <dgp> Deicide-: does it power up instantly or after some seconds? try setting a delay
[06:59] <Deicide-> If i press "HDD IDE AUTO DETECTION" the bios just hangs. I did that with my old HDD without any problems.
[06:59] <dgp> i've seen older machines see only some part (like the first 8gb) of a disk
[07:00] <dgp> Deicide-: if it hangs it is a bios bug, and not fixable :-(
[07:00] <Deicide-> Oh, ok. So there is no chance to boot the second stage installation from the CD?
[07:01] <NermalLaptop> no
[07:01] <NermalLaptop> and it would be pointless
[07:01] <dgp> Deicide-: with a grub floppy (and some knowledge) you can boot your system once, but i don't know if you can setup it properly
[07:01] <NermalLaptop> please read what we type
[07:01] <Deicide-> Must have missed that.
[07:01] <Xappe> humhum, anyone for the solution of the problem "skype and polypaudio"?
[07:01] <Deicide-> Oh well, thanks for the help. Guess i have to upgrade the BIOS.
[07:02] <dgp> Deicide-: if it is possible, that's the best solution
[07:02] <prego> Deicide-, *perhaps* you may use another computer to do the install
[07:02] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got somthiong 'backwards'  Warty is the "testing version"? and Hoary is the 'tried and true/stable' one? or am i backwards
[07:02] <prego> Deicide-, install everything there, create bootdisk, put the hd in the old one and see if it boots ?????
[07:02] <dgp>  dr_willis: backwards
[07:03] <Deicide-> But how about the hardware issue?
[07:03] <dr_willis> installing to a machine.. 2 weeks ago - it was a 10 sec fix to get the ati drivers going on it.. buit now i cant get the thing woirking. I think i put on the new one :P
[07:03] <dgp> no, he's having problem when booting
[07:03] <Pointwood> dr_willis: warty is stabel
[07:03] <Pointwood> * stable
[07:03] <dr_willis> dgp,  so if i want my ati stuff going.. I think i need the old one.. "warty"
[07:03] <prego> Deicide-, perhaps the floppy does that right I don't know
[07:03] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: relatively stable ;)
[07:03] <Deicide-> Oh, ok. Thanks for your help.
[07:03] <prego> Deicide-, sorry, I missunderstood you
[07:03] <dgp> dr_willis: just install xorg-driver-fglrx on hoary, fglrx-driver on warty
[07:04] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: hehe, not entirely bug free, I agree ;)
[07:04] <dr_willis> dgp,  well i did that - and it still aint finding the fglrx
[07:04] <dr_willis> so i tried installing the xfree, and that fglrx.. still no go.
[07:04] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i install apps that rn't in synapse?
[07:04] <dr_willis> following the howto/driver guide. but somthing aint right..
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: Debian Woody is *really* stable - but old and boring ;)
[07:04] <NermalLaptop> alien_in_rm_309, depends on the app
[07:04] <dgp> dr_willis: but are you using the stable distro?
[07:04] <keyshawn2> alien_in_rm_309, you have to install from source.
[07:04] <NermalLaptop> or a .deb
[07:04] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i do that?
[07:04] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: what do you want that's not in the repos?
[07:04] <alien_in_rm_309> is there a how to guild on that
[07:04] <NermalLaptop> oh god
[07:04] <keyshawn2> ha
[07:05] <dr_willis> dgp,  not sure which cd i put in this time - lol :P
[07:05] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: you're prolly right ;) I'm just wondering about my vanishing menu entries...
[07:05] <dr_willis> dgp,  reburning a warty cd - and doing a reinstall
[07:05] <klaym> hello! has anyone got experience on installing phobia 3 on ubuntu?
[07:05] <alien_in_rm_309> i am just looking at some games that i have found on the net and want to know how i can install them
[07:05] <dgp> dr_willis: anyway, just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) and select fglrx
[07:05] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: warty has problems with gnome-panel and a few other things...
[07:05] <dr_willis> dgp,  xorg was installed on the machine by defaulg - that ment it was useing Hory. but the fglrx stuff wasent working.  :(
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: sometimes "killall gnome-panel" works (it regenerates)
[07:06] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: first make sure you have universe enabled
[07:06] <dgp> dr_willis: open xorg.conf, and in the Device section select the fglrx driver
[07:06] <dr_willis> its seeming to not find the module..  Grr.. wife keeps pestering me when i am in the middle of somthing.. :P will try again. thanks for the help
[07:06] <dr_willis> dgp,  right - i edited the ati - to be fglrx.
[07:06] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: the machine has been rebooted and some entries I've added before the reboot, doesn't show up
[07:06] <alien_in_rm_309> I am a newbie, i really dont know what some of this stuff is
[07:06] <alien_in_rm_309> where would i find that
[07:07] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: which programs are you looking for?
[07:07] <alien_in_rm_309> lore
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: yeah - funnily enough the ppc version on my iBook laptop seems more stable than the X86 version
[07:08] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: remember that you can find packages only for free software
[07:08] <alien_in_rm_309> yeah i know
[07:08] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: http://www.ubuntlinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:08] <alien_in_rm_309> how would i install a program like that though
[07:08] <farruinn> That wiki page will tell how to enable universe
[07:08] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: either you find it in some external repository, or you have to use other means
[07:09] <alien_in_rm_309> that link is bad
[07:09] <alien_in_rm_309> what r the other means?
[07:09] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:09] <farruinn> that link shouldn't be wrong...
[07:09] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: converting an rpm with alien, or installing a tarball.
[07:10] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[07:11] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:11] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:11] <dgp> but before going out in the wild, search in universe and multiverse repositories and look at the ubuntu web site
[07:11] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:11] <thenuke> ron_: OK.
[07:11] <ron_> ok
[07:11] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: that link works fine here - keep trying
[07:11] <dgp> ron_: not by flooding the channel ;-)
[07:11] <ron_> one computer is ubuntu and the other is too
[07:12] <alien_in_rm_309> thanks i got it to work this time
[07:13] <dgp> ron_: don't know for sure... try to install a network printer on the remote machine (Administration->Printers)
[07:14] <ron_> but one has the driver
[07:14] <ron_> and the other doesnt
[07:14] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:14] <ron_> anyone know?
[07:14] <ron_> i tried
[07:14] <ron_> it doesnt work
[07:14] <LinuxJones> lol
[07:15] <aplsin> what package do i need to compile programs which need to use the alsa-mixer?
[07:16] <gro> aplsin: sudo apt-get build-dep alsa-mixer ;)
[07:17] <dgp> ron_: locally, it works for me: Printer->Add printer->Printer type->Network printer->CUPS (IPP) and then the ip address. it appears to works
[07:17] <Xappe> ron_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[07:17] <aplsin> gro, didnt work ^^
[07:18] <Xappe> ron_, you have to edit your cupsd.conf to allow connections from the other computer
[07:18] <prego> ron_, Xappe and also be sure that you put the correct url on the other computer...
[07:18] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: it's wierd, I just tried editing a menu item/launcher (Firestarter - it needs root) and after I did that, *pow* it was gone but I can still see it if I open applications:///
[07:18] <Xappe> prego, yes
[07:19] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i install a tar ball?
[07:19] <aplsin> i found it i think, libasound-dev :)
[07:19] <farruinn> Pointwood: maybe restart the ubuntu menu applet
[07:19] <prego> ron_, Xappe Ximian desktop configured cups to auto-detect printers on network... anyone knows how to do that?
[07:19] <dgp> prego: maybe it makes cups listening on the network by default
[07:19] <Xappe> alien_in_rm_309, most of the time: "./configure" followed by "make" followed by "make install"
[07:20] <prego> dgp, can I enable that easyly?
[07:20] <alien_in_rm_309> ok will try that
[07:20] <dgp> prego: yes, look at the faq page, it explains how to edit cupsd.conf
[07:20] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: source tarballs usually come with a README and INSTALL file.  Read them.
[07:21] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:21] <BadGuy> What channel can I get support for GNOPPIX
[07:21] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: the firestarter package installed its own menu entry here: under interbet
[07:21] <thoreauputic> *internet
[07:21] <prego> dgp, which faq page?
[07:21] <dgp> BadGuy: is there #gnoppix?
[07:22] <dgp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[07:22] <farruinn> prego: the one in the topic maybe?
[07:22] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: yes, it did and it was there until I edited it
[07:22] <kreiger> Will repository items for firefox work if i upgrade it to 1.1?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: the fact that it needs root would be confusing for people who only know about sudo
[07:22] <BadGuy> No
[07:23] <kreiger> I really need extentions.
[07:23] <kreiger> it's killin me
[07:23] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: that's what it complains about when I start it
[07:23] <dgp> BadGuy: don't know, then...
[07:23] <Pointwood> it asks me to enter the root password
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: it *really* needs gksudo , not gksu
[07:23] <Pointwood> ahhh
[07:23] <dgp> kreiger: can't u install ext with ff 1.0?
[07:23] <Pointwood> anyway, that was another problem :)
[07:24] <Deicide-> Just one question: Can i create a grub floppy frn the CD?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: I just set up a root user (heresy) ;)
[07:24] <BadGuy> Anyone know about Gnoppix ?
[07:24] <prego> farruinn, nope
[07:24] <dgp> Deicide-: not sure, but there is the grub-floppy command
[07:24] <thenuke> frn :)
[07:25] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: started fine with that change :) I never heard about either gksu or gksudo before...
[07:25] <dgp> i guess it means from. is that swedish or a language from norway?
[07:25] <thenuke> that was funny somehow because I have never before seen swede mixing swedish and english
[07:25] <thoreauputic> ;) I'm a mine of trivial information
[07:25] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: but the vanishing menu items annoys me more ;)
[07:26] <Deicide-> A grub floppy command? I'll check it out.
[07:26] <dgp> prego: look at the page i told you, and look for sharing printer on lan
[07:26] <kreiger> dgp, i tried
[07:26] <BadGuy> Can I install GNoppix without a HDD
[07:26] <kreiger> it said only compatible with 1.1
[07:26] <kreiger> *sniff*
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: I get crashes when I change the desktop background sometimes - really shouldn't happen :/
[07:26] <Pointwood> ouch! :(
[07:26] <dgp> kreiger: but 1.1 isn't out yet
[07:27] <kreiger> .
[07:27] <kreiger> hm
[07:27] <kreiger> cool
[07:27] <kreiger> it worked this time
[07:27] <kreiger> ^_^
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: when i get fed up, I just log in to Fluxbox :) Most of the issues are Gnome issues
[07:27] <Pointwood> :)
[07:28] <dgp> kreiger: :-)
[07:28] <kreiger> I wish i could get my res higher tho.
[07:28] <dgp> BadGuy: you can run it because it is a live, but not installing
[07:28] <kreiger> this 1028 shit is annoying
[07:29] <Deicide-> grub-floppy wont work, it says it cant find the kernel-image.
[07:29] <BadGuy> RamDisk?
[07:29] <selinium_> hi all, I have installed the apache server, do i need to install a firewall?]
[07:29] <dgp> BadGuy: installing a system to a ramdisk (supposing you have that much ram) is pointless
[07:30] <farruinn> selinium_: no, the linux kernel has iptables
[07:30] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: I'm still very much a n00b :)
[07:30] <drasko> hello. When I am making php4.log, who should be the owner to write in it? data_write? write_data? I've forgotten that...
[07:31] <selinium_> farriun: Cheers!
[07:31] <BadGuy> Well thats what I need to do to diagnos my drive
[07:31] <thoreauputic> selinium_: for a nice graphical front-end to iptables, try firestarter
[07:31] <farruinn> selinium_: if you want to configure iptables though you might want to install Firestarter or shorewall
[07:31] <dgp> BadGuy: just boot up the live cd and use it. it should work
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: everything is relative - I know only about the things I've needed to learn
[07:31] <klaym> where could I get libvorbisfile.so.0? it's needes by phobia 3 :P
[07:32] <davix> i've installed hoary arrey 5 and i cant "open device for writing" when trying to play mp3s
[07:32] <davix> any ideas?
[07:32] <BadGuy> And have light browsing
[07:32] <selinium_> thoreuaputic && farruin: cheers. Is there anything I should do straight away with the iptables?
[07:32] <davix> when i used warty music worked out just fine btw
[07:32] <drasko> how to chown php.log to write_data? What options?
[07:33] <BadGuy> It stalls @ ....
[07:33] <thoreauputic> selinium_: firestarter has a wizard thing that walks you through setting it up
[07:33] <aplsin> is there a "rc.local" or "local.start" in ubuntu? (to start programs at boot)
[07:33] <prego> dgp, I have compared cupsd.conf from ubuntu and SuSE 9.1 ... the keyword for what I want seems to be "browse" instead of "listen"...
[07:33] <thoreauputic> selinium_: it's trivially easy
[07:33] <BadGuy> RAMDISK FOUND IMAGE AT 0
[07:33] <selinium_> thoreuaputic: Thanxs for your help!
[07:34] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you're welcome :)
[07:34] <dgp> prego: it works now?
[07:35] <dgp> aplsin: there isn't, but you can write one
[07:35] <thoreauputic> selinium_: if it complains about root passwords, start it from a terminal with ` sudo firestarter`
[07:35] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i asked b4 how to install a tar ball, what do i use to install it
[07:35] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: you usually need to compile it
[07:35] <alien_in_rm_309> with what?
[07:35] <selinium_> thoreuaputic: I worked that one out myself with bluefish accessing the webroot!
[07:36] <deancographics> Hello, I have a Logitec USB mouse using a PS/2 adapter.  When I attempt to use it, the mouse jumps all over the place.  Any ideas?
[07:36] <Deicide-> dgp, can i create a grub-floppy to boot from? Didnt understand what you meant.
[07:36] <alien_in_rm_309> i am new to this kind of stuff
[07:36] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: which requires build-essential
[07:36] <prego> dpg, I have not the other machine right here now :-(( but I'll try it next week. Thanks for your help
[07:36] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: I don't think sudo firestarter works - I believe I tried it without luck just a few min. ago
[07:36] <BadGuy> Do i need a special boot command?
[07:36] <aplsin> dgp: where shall i put it?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: compiling can be a bit tricky when you are new to it
[07:36] <dgp> Deicide-: that you could create a generic boot floppy with grub-floppy
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: hmm - worked here
[07:37] <dgp> aplsin: under /etc/init.d and then create startup links to it
[07:37] <klaym> has anyone got experience on running phobia 3 on linux?
[07:37] <farruinn> Pointwood: _gksudo_
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: else do sudo -s to get a root shell first
[07:37] <Pointwood> farruinn: yup :)
[07:38] <Deicide-> dgp, how do i do that then?
[07:38] <prego> firestarter can only manage one ethernet card, isn't it? or could it be used to configure more advanced cases (two cards pointing to local networks routed to third card pointing to internet) ?
[07:38] <dgp> Deicide-: but with such a floppy you need to manually enter the commands to grub every time you boot
[07:38] <aplsin> dgp: then i must write a start) stop) script?
[07:38] <alien_in_rm_309> i installed build essential
[07:38] <alien_in_rm_309> now what?
[07:39] <Deicide-> Oh, ok. Thanks anyway.
[07:39] <dgp> aplsin: something like that
[07:39] <BadGuy> Im stuck
[07:39] <dgp> aplsin: use /etc/init.d/skeleton as example
[07:39] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: navigate to the directory with the tarball, and issue  tar xvzf <tarballbame>
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Tarballname
[07:40] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:40] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: that should decompress it into a directory
[07:40] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:40] <dgp> Deicide-: you can find the commands in your /boot/grub/menu.lst. i don't know whether copying that file on the floppy would automate the process
[07:40] <thoreauputic> then you move to the directory and *read the README or INSTALL* files
[07:41] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:41] <thoreauputic> usually it's ./configure && make && make install as root
[07:41] <mephisto_> hi
[07:41] <mephisto_> i have a serious problem with ubuntu linux
[07:41] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: but you will often find configure complains about missing development packages
[07:42] <mephisto_> several X- Applications crash - for example firefox when opening ebay
[07:42] <davix> i've installed hoary arrey 5 and i cant "open device for writing" when trying to play mp3s when i used warty music worked out just fine btw
[07:42] <mephisto_> evolution when printing and so on
[07:42] <LinuxJones> mephisto_, have you upgraded your packages since your install ?
[07:43] <farruinn> mephisto_: warty or hoary?
[07:43] <mephisto_> yes
[07:43] <mephisto_> warty
[07:43] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[07:45] <mephisto_> it seems like some gtk stuff is broken
[07:45] <nanomad> what is broken?
[07:46] <mephisto_> i don't know exactly
[07:46] <mephisto_> some of my gnome application do not work
[07:46] <aplsin> dgp: okey i have done it now, but the pid-file isnt created so the script can'
[07:47] <aplsin> dgp: okey i have done it now, but the pid-file isnt created so the script can't stop the daemon
[07:47] <nanomad> mephisto_:mhh..hope are only dev packages :)
[07:48] <mephisto_> perhapps it is some pc specific stuff
[07:48] <heliolith> question about X-server problems in Ubuntu.  I am a 2nd grade teacher and have installed Ubunu on a bunch of classroom computers, unfortunately after powering on one of the machines that was running the smoothest the other day, X failed to load and I can't find anything wrong with the XF86.conf file... it uses nvidia drivers, but nothing was changed and one day it just stopped loading gnome... any ideas?
[07:49] <chrismurf> does anybody here have ndiswrapper working with ubuntu?
[07:49] <tritium> heliolith, first place to look is /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[07:49] <mephisto_> i tried current firefox, but it doesn't work either
[07:50] <chrismurf> I have ndiswrapper installed; I see wlan0 with ifconfig and iwconfig but I cannot find any nodes with iwlist scanning (there are tons.)
[07:50] <heliolith> tritium I looked there it said error in loading nvidia kernel or something like that... i can't IRC from school b/c of firewall
[07:50] <nanomad> mephisto_: i am using standard firefox (d/l from official site)
[07:50] <tritium> heliolith, did you upgrade a kernel and not also upgrade linux-restricted-modules?
[07:50] <heliolith> I wish there was a CD/iso i could pop in to auto-diagnose and repair X
[07:51] <heliolith> tritium I'm not sure about that... I used the direcitons on the unofficial guide page
[07:51] <heliolith> it was working for a couple of weeks before it crashed
[07:51] <chrismurf> heliolith, it doesn't sound like a crash, it sounds like something changed and it waited until you reooted to take effect (like a kernel)
[07:52] <nanomad> mephisto_: i tried std firefox (installed via apt) and it works too... try an upgrade maybe it could solve your problems
[07:52] <tritium> heliolith, yes.  I suggest you first check to make sure that the running kernel and linux-restricted-modules have the exact same version number
[07:52] <heliolith> I used the steps from this page (same as with all the machines I've put Ubuntu on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 (install nvidia-glx and config enable
[07:53] <zenrox> as well as modprobe nvidia
[07:53] <zenrox> and add it to the modules file in /etc
[07:53] <tritium> and make sure /etc/modules contains "nvidia"
[07:53] <tritium> :)
[07:53] <zenrox> lol
[07:53] <zenrox> i had the smae prob
[07:54] <heliolith> tritium I'm pretty sure a friend of mine who looked at it yesterday briefly checked exactly that (checked version numbers) so zenrox just run "modprobe nvidia?
[07:54] <zenrox> yep
[07:54] <heliolith> modprobe will check or install?
[07:54] <zenrox> and make shure its in /etc/modules too
[07:54] <zenrox> check
[07:55] <tritium> heliolith, that will load the module if it's not loaded
[07:55] <zenrox> modprobe will probe the nvidia card
[07:55] <tritium> but that will only remain loaded until the next reboot
[07:55] <tritium> that's why you'll need to add it to your /etc/modules
[07:55] <tritium> That will ensure that it's loaded every time
[07:56] <heliolith> if it's not there how do i correct it? I didn't make any changes to the setup... it's tempting to start over and install from scratch... like i said it was working for at least 2 weeks, powering on and off every day
[07:56] <oDysseas> I'm trying to install ubuntu linux but after installation it hands at Loading grub Please wait...
[07:56] <heliolith> do you think it could be hard drive errors that caused the messup?
[07:56] <oDysseas> hangs*
[07:56] <tritium> heliolith, it's fairly likely just that the module is not loaded if it was ever rebooted
[07:56] <tritium> heliolith, no, don't think so
[07:57] <tritium> I think you didn't add the nvidia module to /etc/modules, and it was rebooted at some point
[07:57] <heliolith> it was rebooted daily
[07:57] <tritium> can you ssh into the box now?
[07:58] <heliolith> for 2 weeks every day I went in I booted it up... no it's behind a firewall... you know how to IRC behind a firewall?
[07:58] <tritium> I think that depends on how it's configured
[07:58] <tritium> so your firewall doesn't allow ssh even?
[07:59] <heliolith> firewall does allow ssh but the machine's not on atm, and I don't know it's dhcp ip
[07:59] <tritium> okay
[07:59] <heliolith> I could probably Irrsi via ssh
[07:59] <tritium> yes, I'll bet so
[08:00] <heliolith> once i get in there anyway... oh well thank you for the help!  talk later (=
[08:00] <tritium> Okay!  :)
[08:01] <rusty_> hi
[08:01] <rusty_> can somebody help me please
[08:01] <zenrox> shure rusty_
[08:01] <rusty_> i just installed kde 3.2 and it killed my sound which was working with gnome and now it's not working in gnome either
[08:01] <rusty_> thanks
[08:01] <zenrox> i dont know kde
[08:01] <rusty_> that's ok
[08:02] <rusty_> i've searched the forums but there don't appear to be any answers there either
[08:02] <rusty_> i was just wondering whether there were any sound config files that might have been changed
[08:03] <rusty_> my sound setup was done automatically and i was using alsa i believe with realtek ac97....
[08:03] <rusty_> but then i installed kde via synaptic and i've lost all my sound...
[08:03] <thoreauputic> rusty_: just a guess - but kde uses artsd and perhaps there's a conflict with that
[08:03] <rusty_> ok
[08:04] <qm> hi
[08:04] <qm> why is array5 live so slow?
[08:04] <rusty_> this is what i get when i type artsd rusty@asahel:~ $ artsd
[08:04] <rusty_> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
[08:04] <rusty_> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
[08:05] <qm> is it possible to install hoary live array5 to hard drive?
[08:06] <ZellSF> Hi... A question; I should kill X and everything before updating ubuntu?
[08:06] <chrismurf> does anybody have ndiswrapper working under hoary?
[08:07] <rusty_> nah not in my experience
[08:07] <rusty_> just update within x
[08:07] <rusty_> and restart x
[08:07] <ZellSF> Yeah, but when I tried updating earlier, after reboot, all I got was a terminal :/
[08:07] <rusty_> hmmmm
[08:07] <ZellSF> Should I just keep updating then?
[08:07] <rusty_> well did you wait until the update was complete?
[08:08] <rusty_> was this a full system update?
[08:08] <ZellSF> yes, of course
[08:08] <ZellSF> no, probably not :P
[08:08] <rusty_> like from hoary?
[08:08] <ZellSF> yes, upgrade from hoary
[08:08] <rusty_> hmmmm
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: and did the kernal change? if so, are you usin nvidia ?
[08:08] <rusty_> i'm doing that right now myself!
[08:08] <ZellSF> Doesn't really matter much, I'll figure that out later, just wondered if I had to kill X or not
[08:08] <rusty_> i've only updated from warty before...
[08:09] <ZellSF> Well, my main reason for coming here was to ask how to set up ubuntu to allow me to remotely access it from my iBook.
[08:09] <rusty_> i just installed kde and it killed my sound!
[08:09] <rusty_> oooh
[08:09] <rusty_> well i'm no good then as i'm a noob
[08:09] <zenrox> ZellSF,  read www.ubuntoguide.org
[08:09] <ZellSF> O_o
[08:09] <ZellSF> maybe you should learn how to spell :P
[08:09] <zenrox> its on that site
[08:09] <zenrox> i know
[08:10] <zenrox> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:10] <ZellSF> :)
[08:10] <zenrox> sorry i am sick today
[08:10] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: it was a typo ;)
[08:10] <ZellSF> Yeah, that's why I commented on it.
[08:10] <zenrox> lol
[08:10] <ZellSF> I'm tired of Windows. Again, why does that happen every time you run Windows for more than a month?
[08:11] <qm> what is the id and password for live cd?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: with me it only takes minutes....
[08:11] <ZellSF> hehe
[08:11] <INRSboy> Q: is it possible to have two distributions (Mdrk & Ubuntu) which share the same /home directory ?
[08:11] <zenrox> lol
[08:11] <zenrox> INRSboy, yess
[08:12] <ZellSF> yeah, that should be possible O_o
[08:12] <Mitario> anyone who uses ACL permissons on their directories? files?
[08:12] <INRSboy> zenrox, is their some sing special to do
[08:12] <zenrox> nope
[08:12] <INRSboy> just point the same sirectory and mounting point ?
[08:12] <zenrox> yep
[08:12] <INRSboy> ok
[08:12] <zenrox> and create a same username
[08:13] <INRSboy> so you can share the mail box and everything
[08:13] <ZellSF> Mdrk = Mandrake?
[08:13] <zenrox> dont know about that
[08:13] <INRSboy> Mdrk = mandrake yes
[08:13] <thoreauputic> there could be issues with uid numbers (mandrake uses 501 rather than 1000 I seem to recall)
[08:13] <zenrox> INRSboy, theoreticky yes
[08:13] <INRSboy> ok
[08:14] <qm> how do I kill x completely?
[08:14] <ZellSF> The only reason I'm unable to use Mandrake is because it doesn't like setting Firefox as default browser :/
[08:14] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  but you can tell mdk to use 1000
[08:14] <qm> gdm loads when I press Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[08:14] <thoreauputic> zenrox: yes
[08:14] <jason_> Hi, my wireless card comes up as eth1 is there a way to change it to wlan0?
[08:14] <ZellSF> Ctrl-alt-f1 ... I think
[08:14] <INRSboy> thank's
[08:14] <qm> thanks
[08:14] <qm> thanks ZellSF
[08:14] <ZellSF> Something like that, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE is restart X
[08:14] <ZellSF> Not kill
[08:14] <thoreauputic> qm:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:14] <ZellSF> or something like that
[08:14] <ZellSF> :/
[08:15] <qm> thoreauputic, i can't even load gnome
[08:15] <zenrox> ctrl+alt+f1 than do what thoreauputic says to do
[08:15] <zenrox> that will stop gdm
[08:15] <zenrox> and x
[08:15] <qm> gnome in live cd is just so slow
[08:15] <zenrox> qm how much ram do you have
[08:15] <qm> 128
[08:15] <ZellSF> btw:  anyone know any Linux Live CDs which'll work on my iBook?
[08:15] <qm> but graphic card uses about 16mb
[08:15] <thoreauputic> to restart gdm substitute start or restart for stop in that command
[08:15] <zenrox> hmm expect it to be slow then
[08:16] <qm> so i have about 102mb left
[08:16] <zenrox> i have ubuntu running on a 64 mb box with x
[08:16] <qm> cool
[08:16] <zenrox> but x is so slow
[08:16] <thoreauputic> qm: 128 is a bit low for a live CD
[08:16] <qm> that's what i experience
[08:16] <zenrox> but it works (remote ssh box)
[08:16] <qm> can i install in the livecd in console?
[08:17] <qm> i quited x
[08:17] <qm> with c+a+F1
[08:17] <qm> now i want to install ubuntu onto hardrive..
[08:17] <zenrox> now do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:17] <thoreauputic> qm: that doesn't kill X - it is probably still running on tty7
[08:18] <thoreauputic> qm: I don't think you can hd installfrom the live CD
[08:18] <ZellSF> Eh, I think you can :/
[08:18] <thoreauputic> qm: you need the installCD
[08:18] <qm> really?
[08:18] <marcin_ant> hello short question - how to install wireless nic based on rtl 8081L chipset?
[08:18] <ZellSF> Ok, I don't really know :P
[08:18] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: really? the warty CD?
[08:19] <ZellSF> I'm not sure, I'm probably thinking about another distro
[08:19] <thoreauputic> qm: AFAIK the warty CD has no install script
[08:19] <qm> i'm using hoary array5 livecd
[08:19] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: knoppix perhaps
[08:19] <ZellSF> Yeah, I guess O_o
[08:20] <ZellSF> I don't like KDE :(
[08:20] <jason__> Hi, my wireless card comes up as eth1 is there a way to change it to wlan0?
[08:20] <sege> ZellSF: dont use kde then? =)
[08:20] <ZellSF> WEll, I was refering to Knoppix
[08:20] <ZellSF> Anyone knows if Linux got airport support yet?
[08:21] <zenrox> dont know ZellSF  but google can be youyr friend too
[08:21] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: airport yes, airport extreme no
[08:22] <marcin_ant> jason_: hmmm I don't know - but could you tell me what network card you got (what chipset?)
[08:23] <jason__> senao prism 2.5 minipci
[08:23] <oDysseas> I'm trying to install ubuntu linux but after installation it hangs at Loading grub Please wait... What am I doing wrong?
[08:24] <dem> i've updated to hoary on my mythbox, but when i try to apt it's missing libavcodeccvs
[08:24] <dem> where is it @
[08:24] <ZellSF> Ok, now I've installed the SSH server... Is it set to autostart at system start automatically?
[08:24] <ZellSF> or is there something I should do?
[08:24] <marcin_ant> jason_: heh I got something with rtl8081L chipset and I don't know how to install
[08:24] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: I think it will autostart
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: it did here, anyway
[08:25] <ZellSF> "The authenticity of host '<IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established."
[08:25] <ZellSF> That means?
[08:25] <aroman> hi
[08:26] <thoreauputic> it means it's the first time you tried to ssh to that box
[08:26] <jason__> marcin_ant: I got this card because of linux compatibility, even had to hack my bios to get my ibm to boot with it and i keep getting errors
[08:26] <ZellSF> oh, ok
[08:26] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: just say yes
[08:26] <aroman> how can I make ubuntu not load a module at boot? more specifically the 'pcspkr' module
[08:26] <jason__> sposed to work with hostap drivers
[08:27] <thoreauputic> aroman: add it to th ehotplug blacklist
[08:27] <jason__> I havent been successful yet
[08:27] <aroman> thoreauputic, how can I do that?
[08:27] <thoreauputic>  /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:27] <chrismurf> does anyone here have ndiswrapper working with hoary?
[08:27] <aroman> thanks
[08:27] <thoreauputic> put it in there
[08:28] <ZellSF> how do you use sudo to gain root access?
[08:28] <ZellSF> (permamently)
[08:28] <thoreauputic> sudo -s
[08:28] <thoreauputic> gives you a shell
[08:28] <thoreauputic> exit when done
[08:28] <thoreauputic> or ctrl-D
[08:28] <ZellSF> ok, thanks
[08:29] <tritium> sudo -s -H is nice too
[08:29] <thoreauputic> ah - what does the -H do, tritium?
[08:30] <jason___> heh a kernel update must of fixed my problem, now my wireless works
[08:30] <cyklus> what CD burning software do you recommend?
[08:30] <carajea1> can someone help me mount my second harddrive?
[08:31] <jason___> carajea1: sure
[08:31] <Stinky_Taco> trying to unpack a .tar.gz , Anyone know the name of the unpackageing GUI for Gnome? is it just nautalis, or is there a seperate unpacking utility? I am in XFce is why I need to know command, TIA :)
[08:31] <jason___> carajea1: what kind of partition?
[08:31] <tritium> thoreauputic, sets $HOME to root's home dir
[08:32] <tritium> man sudo ;)
[08:32] <carajea1> um i dont really know
[08:32] <carajea1> its a 60 gig hard drive that is a backup of my music
[08:32] <tritium> carajea1, is it ide?
[08:32] <carajea1> yeah
[08:32] <tritium> fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[08:32] <tritium> use sudo
[08:33] <bestadvocate> i just had a nervous breakdown. i need a headdoctor
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> fdisk -l /dev/hdb will this let me see my windows partition?
[08:33] <tritium> no
[08:33] <carajea1> ok thanks i just switched from mandrake 10.1
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> ok :)
[08:33] <tritium> Stinky_Taco, it will list the partitions on /dev/hdb
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> think I got to get captive NTFS before reading windows partition
[08:33] <tritium> it won't mount them or anything
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> Ok :)
[08:34] <carajea1> ok we need to mount
[08:34] <carajea1> it sais cannot open /dev/hdb
[08:34] <tritium> carajea1, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[08:35] <carajea1> ok i think it worked but how do i find out
[08:35] <tritium> what did it say?
[08:35] <carajea1> Disk /dev/hdb: 61.4 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[08:35] <carajea1> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7476 cylinders
[08:35] <carajea1> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:35] <carajea1>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:35] <carajea1> /dev/hdb1   *           1        7476    60050938+  83  Linux
[08:36] <bestadvocate> im going  to go then
[08:36] <carajea1> did that mount it?
[08:36] <tritium> okay.  Do you recall what filesystem you were using on Mandrake?
[08:36] <tritium> no, just listed it
[08:37] <carajea1> no i dont
[08:37] <tritium> was it ext3?
[08:37] <carajea1> yeah
[08:37] <carajea1> i believe so
[08:37] <zenrox> tritium,  it has to be ext3
[08:37] <tritium> do you have a mount point set up?
[08:37] <carajea1> nope
[08:37] <tritium> zenrox, Mandrake doesn't support reiserfs or any other
[08:37] <tritium> ?
[08:38] <zenrox> no it does support outher file systems
[08:38] <zenrox> just ext3 is the default
[08:38] <wasabi> Has anybody put any work into running Xen on Ubuntu?
[08:38] <tritium> wow
[08:38] <tritium> carajea1, where do you want to mount it?  (What directory)
[08:39] <carajea1> i want  it to be separate any directory will do
[08:39] <cyklus> can anyone recommend a cd burning app?
[08:39] <zenrox> carajea1, then do a sudo mkdir /mnt/name.of.dir.you.wand.here
[08:40] <carajea1> ok
[08:40] <zenrox> cyklus, k3b
[08:40] <carajea1> does ubuntu do /home?
[08:40] <tritium> carajea1, then mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb3 /your-mount-dir-here
[08:40] <cyklus> zenrox: will it run in gnome?
[08:40] <zenrox> cyklus, yes
[08:40] <tritium> carajea1, removable media is mounted under /media
[08:40] <tritium> carajea1, you might mount this one under /mnt
[08:41] <tritium> carajea1, finally, you'll want to edit /etc/fstab so that you don't have to do this manually all the time
[08:42] <wdh> "dcop kwin KWinInterface setCurrentDesktop 1" << In KDE this allows one to switch to desktop 1 on a CLI.. does anyone know how to perform the same thing in Gnome??
[08:42] <ZellSF> What is the command for upgrading ubuntu?
[08:42] <carajea1> sudo mkdir /mnt/drive2
[08:42] <carajea1> is that directory ok
[08:42] <zenrox> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:43] <tritium> that's fie
[08:43] <carajea1> ??
[08:43] <tritium> fine
[08:43] <tritium> carajea1, you're in control :)
[08:43] <thenuke> zenrox: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:43] <carajea1> sudo  mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb3 /drive2
[08:43] <carajea1> mount: mount point /drive2 does not exist
[08:43] <carajea1> thats what i get
[08:43] <tritium> you forgot the /mnt in front
[08:43] <zenrox> too true thenuke
[08:43] <thenuke> zenrox: zenrox or use synaptic to do that
[08:43] <carajea1> oh ok lol
[08:44] <ZellSF> I'm logged in via SSH
[08:44] <Hannes_> bluetooth stopped working in hoary?
[08:44] <thenuke> oh I was talking to the wrong person but does not matter
[08:44] <dale_gribble> does anyone have any experience installing ubuntu 64 bit on an asus k8vse deluxe software raid, dual booting with windows?
[08:44] <zenrox> ZellSF,  use thenukes ver
[08:44] <ZellSF> I can't use synaptic.
[08:44] <wdh> ZellSF, what nuke said :)
[08:44] <Hannes_> it has worked before
[08:44] <carajea1>  special device /dev/hdb3 does not exist
[08:44] <Hannes_> now it can't find the device
[08:44] <wdh> ZellSF, 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:44] <ZellSF> Yeah, doing that now, downloading 400MB now :P
[08:44] <carajea1> fix one thing and somethin else is wrong
[08:44] <tritium> carajea1, hdb1
[08:44] <zenrox> carajea1, /dev/hdb1
[08:44] <ZellSF> :)
[08:45] <thenuke> zenrox: and you must be root to do that, so do first sudo -s  or use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:45] <zenrox> lol
[08:45] <zenrox> the ambuguis sudo
[08:45] <carajea1> cool it worked
[08:45] <tritium> carajea1, great.  Now you'll probably want to setup your /etc/fstab
[08:46] <thenuke> ambuguis?
[08:46] <carajea1> yeah im there now
[08:46] <carajea1> so far i got this
[08:47] <zenrox> thenuke sorry cant spell
[08:47] <carajea1> im stuck at the options and dump pass part
[08:47] <thenuke> zenrox: no problem with that :) but I just have no glue what word you mis spelled :)
[08:47] <zenrox> thenuke and i cant even spell it
[08:47] <zenrox> lol
[08:47] <thenuke> zenrox: ah, ok :)
[08:48] <zenrox> hehe
[08:48] <carajea1> what do i put in the options part
[08:48] <thenuke> ambiguous! :) google helped me :)
[08:48] <carajea1> ??
[08:48] <tritium> carajea1, 0 0 most likely
[08:48] <thenuke> now I have to find out what that does mean =)
[08:48] <zenrox> lol
[08:48] <zenrox> yep thats it thenuke
[08:48] <tritium> carajea1, for dump and pass
[08:48] <tritium> for options, you might want rw,user
[08:49] <carajea1> ok cool
[08:49] <tritium> I assume you don't want noauto
[08:49] <carajea1> maybe maybe not dont know what it does
[08:49] <tritium> it means it won't be auto-mounted
[08:50] <cyklus> how do i get gnomebaker? ...dont seem to be able to install it with apt-get?
[08:50] <carajea1> oh no i'll pass on that
[08:50] <carajea1> where is openoffice at i cant find it
[08:50] <tritium> It's in main
[08:51] <tritium> you should be able to get it
[08:51] <carajea1> E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override)
[08:51] <tritium> in fact, it's installed by default, I believe
[08:51] <carajea1> that what i get when i do :wq to save the file
[08:51] <carajea1> is that not correct?
[08:51] <tritium> carajea1, you didn't edit that with sudo
[08:51] <carajea1> oh man forgot
[08:52] <tritium> openoffice.org should be under Applications->Office
[08:53] <carajea1> ok i found it thanks a bunch now i have java and nvidia drivers so i can play world or warcraft
[08:53] <tritium> great
[08:53] <carajea1> yeah lot of fu
[08:53] <carajea1> fun
[08:54] <tritium> nvidia can be installed in ubuntu natively, you know