[00:00] <joaopinto> software center is too buggy to be a default at this time
[00:01] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: What bugs have you found?
[00:02] <penguin42> DanaG: That whole 3.5 seconds of S20dkms_autoins is depressing
[00:02] <DanaG> Yeah.  It's fglrx and vbox stuff.
[00:02] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, several, try installing a package from the center while an apt-get install is running
[00:03] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, or just scroll down an up on the app info
[00:03] <joaopinto> or just, try to the Help -> Software Center -> Help
[00:03] <penguin42> DanaG: But why does it need to do that much work on each boot?
[00:03] <DanaG> Beats me.
[00:03] <penguin42> DanaG: Sure when it's on a new kernel, but not each boot
[00:07]  * DanaG smacks the koala with a "Boot Faster!" stick.
[00:08] <DanaG> Dang, no effect.
[00:08] <penguin42> DanaG: OK /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller is dumb - it's trying to figure out the OS architecture from rpm by querying rpm for the package that owns /lib/modules/2.6.xxxx - and that's very very very dumb for an ubuntu system
[00:08] <penguin42> DanaG: I mean that's only half a seconds worth of that - but that's just the starters
[00:09] <XDevHald> DanaG: Are you new to Ubuntu
[00:09] <DanaG> Nope.  I've been using it as far back as Dapper.
[00:09] <XDevHald> Ah ok. Welcome to Karmic then.
[00:10] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: Still nothing :\
[00:10] <DanaG> now... why is DKMS using rpm?
[00:10] <KnifeySpooney> restarting X after I make the link works fine.. it's the reboots that mess it up
[00:10] <penguin42> DanaG: I'm guessing because it was written for something else and ported
[00:11] <penguin42> DanaG: Do you have any rpms installed on your system out of interest?
[00:11] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: yes, that's why I'm trying to create the folder and symlink before X is launched
[00:11] <DanaG> I don't think so.
[00:11] <DanaG> but the handy thing called 'dtrx' depends on rpm.
[00:12] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: Ok. It looks right as far as far as i know (little), so I'm not really sure why it's not working
[00:12] <DanaG> !info dtrx
[00:12] <KnifeySpooney> I've gotta go for now
[00:12] <dash> howdy. I foolishly rebooted my machine before my karmic upgrade was done and now i'm having some boot problems. :)
[00:12] <dash> in particular, boot hangs after fsck of the root volume succeeds
[00:13] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: only... maybe /dev/card0 doesn't yet exist when gdm is launched...
[00:13] <yofel> ok, next try
[00:13] <dash> i'm seeing this error message before fsck: "/etc/apparmor/initramfs: 27: find: not found" and "/etc/apparmor/initramfs: 27: xargs: not found"
[00:14] <penguin42> dash: Sounds like you are missing the findutils package somehow
[00:14] <dash> Hmm
[00:14] <dash> I just remembered that find and xargs are on /usr
[00:14] <dash> and that my /usr volume is on LVM
[00:14] <dash> so maybe the initrd doesn't handle lvm properly?
[00:15] <penguin42> DanaG: I'm not sure why the rpm would show up as significant on that bootchart though - trying to recreate teh same thing on a commandline here is under 0.1s
[00:15] <DanaG> hmm, I commented out the rpm lines.
[00:15] <penguin42> dash: or lvm'd /usr ?
[00:16] <penguin42> DanaG: You'll need to leave an arch=`uname -a` I think
[00:16] <penguin42> sorry, -m
[00:16] <dash> Oh hmm
[00:16] <DanaG> I took out the kernelver and the if and the fi.  I left the brackety line.
[00:16] <dash> maybe if I use /dev/mapper/vg0-usr instead of /dev/vg0/usr
[00:16] <penguin42> nod
[00:16] <dash> in fstab
[00:17] <DanaG> oh, and my bootchart is all garbled, too.
[00:17] <DanaG> text is screwed up.
[00:19] <DanaG> I wonder what's up with my udev.
[00:20] <[em]matrix> beats me man
[00:24] <XDevHald> Anyone getting Internal Server Error for Ubuntu One uploading?
[00:25] <dash> yeah looks like it was an fstab problem
[00:26] <dash> changing /dev/vg0/usr to /dev/mapper/vg0-usr made it go.
[00:30] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090927-8.png
[00:30] <DanaG> yargh.
[00:35] <penguin42> DanaG: Well devkit is shorter - still a bit long for something that just needs to go 'yep, same as last time - all done'
[00:36] <alokito> my karmic is starting up in command line instead of graphical, I have quiet splash enabled in the boot entry
[00:36] <alokito> how to make it graphical?
[00:36] <aliendude5300> what errors do you see?
[00:37] <EntropikOne> nvidia drivers are breaking my xserver =(
[00:37] <alokito> aliendude5300, no error, there's suppossed to be a boot splash but I see just texts
[00:41] <XDevHald> EntropikOne: What type of NVdia driver do you have?
[00:42] <EntropikOne> i've tried the 1.7* the new stable 1.8 and the beta 1.9 and none of them work
[00:43] <EntropikOne> i install and it just says that it cant find any displays
[00:44] <penguin42> hmm bedtime
[00:44] <XDevHald> night penguin
[00:45] <XDevHald> EntropikOne: Remove the current installed version of NVidia and reboot, and then install again and reboot.
[00:45] <XDevHald> Grab the latest (stable) version which is 1.8
[00:45] <EntropikOne> XDevHald: that doesn't work either =\
[00:46] <XDevHald> Hmm
[00:46] <EntropikOne> XDevHald: i also cant get the screens back even with the driver uninstalled
[00:46] <XDevHald> So basically you have no desktop view...
[00:46] <EntropikOne> correct
[00:46] <EntropikOne> still work command line just fine
[00:47] <XDevHald> One sec EntropikOne.
[00:47] <EntropikOne> thanks
[00:50] <XDevHald> Ok my NVidia driver for graphic display is Geforce MX4 - running nvidia-glx-96, nvidia-settings, nvidia-common, nvidia-96.kernel-source, nvidia-96-modaliases, nvidia-185-modaliases, nvidia-173-modaliases.
[00:50] <XDevHald> What NVidia graphics driver are you running?
[00:51] <EntropikOne> well i've tried all different drivers and none of them work
[00:51] <EntropikOne> i have two 9800GT's by the way
[00:51] <XDevHald> Have you tried Envy-gtk ?
[00:51] <EntropikOne> they're bridged
[00:51] <EntropikOne> i've tried envy and its the same thing
[00:51] <XDevHald> Install envyng-qt, and envyng-core
[00:52] <EntropikOne> yeah i tried that also =\
[00:52] <XDevHald> Ok one sec
[00:53] <DanaG> heh, I still have a 9800 Pro.
[00:53] <DanaG> That is, ATI.
[00:53] <DanaG> Nice naming collision there.
[00:53] <EntropikOne> hah nice
[00:54] <XDevHald> EntropikOne: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=909460
[00:54] <DanaG> 2.6.32-rc1 has been released!
[00:54] <DanaG> http://kernel.org/
[00:55] <DanaG> Now we need an image of it!
[00:55] <XDevHald> EntropikOne: See page 3
[00:55] <EntropikOne> XDevHald: reading it now
[00:55] <XDevHald> Ok
[00:56] <XDevHald> DanaG: I lurk away from rc's ;-)
[00:56] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU2Nw
[00:56] <DanaG> Literally 35 minutes ago.
[00:56] <DanaG> or so.
[00:56] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/9/27/166
[00:56] <DanaG> Sun Sep 27 16:56:57 PDT 2009
[00:57] <DanaG> er, longer now.
[00:57] <DanaG> post Date:  Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
[00:57] <XDevHald> DanaG: This doesn't look to be a useful source for NVidia users.
[00:58] <DanaG> I never said anything about nvidia.  =þ
[00:58] <XDevHald> VGA and ATi have the upper hand
[00:58] <XDevHald> hehe
[00:58] <DanaG> aside from the jab at the 9800 naming.
[00:58] <DanaG> =þ
[00:58] <XDevHald> No worries.
[00:58] <XDevHald> Just pointing it out for the NVidia users
[00:58] <CrocoJet> how is ext4 situation, no more radical crash ?
[01:12] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder why my udev starts so danged slowly.
[01:18] <DKcross> i have problems with usb mouse
[01:18] <DKcross> in karmic
[01:18] <DKcross> any idea about this bug?
[01:18] <DKcross> what modele isn't work?
[01:27] <DKcross> \0 any have this bug?
[01:30] <XDevHald> ?
[01:32] <DKcross> XDevHald, <DKcross> i have problems with usb mouse
 in karmic
 any idea about this bug?
[01:32] <DKcross> don't work
[01:32] <XDevHald> What kind of mouse?
[01:33] <DKcross> USB mouse
[01:33] <DKcross> a normal mouse, usb and optical
[01:33] <XDevHald> Who made it?
[01:34] <DKcross> genius
[01:34] <DKcross> the mouse works fine with jaunty,debian,suse and others..
[01:35] <DKcross> and the mouse is working , but now in karmic have problems
[01:37] <DKcross> i think the problem is with xorg
[01:40] <XDevHald> DKcross: make sure you have mdetect install apt-get install mdetect
[01:40] <DKcross> !mdetect
[01:41] <XDevHald> This is a standard install during the upgrade.
[01:42] <XDevHald> The only thing I can notice is that because this is alpha 6 in karmic it appears to not have the driver for the designed mouse you have.
[01:43] <DKcross> mmm I'm no sure
[01:43] <DKcross> I'm testing 2 mouses
[01:44] <DKcross> not only genius mouse
[01:44] <yofel> !info mdetect
[01:45] <DKcross> but yofel  dont work:S
[01:46] <yofel> DKcross: anything in dmesg when you plug the mouse in?
[01:47] <DKcross> [ 5025.640201] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 7
[01:47] <DKcross> [ 5031.016197] usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 8
[01:47] <DKcross> [ 5031.190522] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[01:49] <DKcross> any idea
[01:50] <yofel> no, sry
[02:02] <DanaG> hmm, define "has problems".
[02:03] <DKcross> I'm testing the mouse in karmic and works fine
[02:04] <aliendude5300> ehh my USB drive is still acting up :(
[02:09] <aliendude5300> Any commands I can run to try to fix it?
[02:10] <DKcross> aliendude5300,  what is your problem?
[02:10] <aliendude5300> USB drive is really screwed up... keeps unmounting itself... file system might be corrupt
[02:10] <aliendude5300> at least partially
[02:10] <DKcross> :o
[02:10] <aliendude5300> I can list the files on the device
[02:11] <DKcross> well my problem is with usb mouse
[02:15] <billybigrigger> anyone having printing problems? how do i clear my whole queue? it seems though my printer is waiting for a defunct job to finish, but i can't see why it's not printing anymore
[02:19] <DanaG> hmm, can you take the drive out of the enclosure and use it directly?
[02:19] <test34> billybigrigger, you can try http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/
[02:20] <billybigrigger> yeah i'm in the cups interface
[02:20] <billybigrigger> now it won't even detect my printer argh
[02:20] <billybigrigger> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 04b8:0849 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus SX205
[02:21] <aliendude5300> I'm not sure if I can use the drive directly. Is there an advantage to that?
[02:21] <DanaG> Yeah, it'd let you figure out if the enclosure is what's at fault.
[02:21] <billybigrigger> aliendude5300, yeah what DanaG said :P
[02:21] <drs305> billybigrigger: Do you have CUPS?  If so: http://localhost:631/
[02:21] <billybigrigger> drs305, yup look ^^
[02:22] <drs305> Can you not get into the Jobs tab to clear them?
[02:22] <test34> billybigrigger, I guess my network printer disappeared too
[02:22] <alokito> will kde 4.4 be available in karmic final?
[02:22] <billybigrigger> drs305, no jobs, no printer
[02:22] <billybigrigger> nothing anymore
[02:22] <billybigrigger> i've tried restarting cups and adding a new printer, it still won't pick it up
[02:22] <billybigrigger> lsusb shows it
[02:22] <billybigrigger> dmesg shows it
[02:22] <billybigrigger> cups can't see it
[02:23] <drs305> have you pulled and reinserted the USB cable and cycled power?
[02:23] <billybigrigger> yeah
[02:24]  * aliendude5300 tried sudo fsck /dev/sdf1 -f -l -a -t -v -w -V
[02:24] <aliendude5300> dunno if that would fix anything
[02:24] <aliendude5300> was worth a try
[02:25] <drs305> billybigrigger: Well, since I can't help you....    Mine won't....
[02:25]  * aliendude5300 doesnt see the point to taking it out of the enclosure... I have no where to put it.
[02:25] <billybigrigger> drs305, how come?
[02:26] <billybigrigger> i've been out of the ubuntu loop for some weeks now :P i've finally been working again haha
[02:26] <drs305> Don't know. Or at least caljohnsmith's script doesn't see it there. And I've seen posts where his script recognizes G2, so I don't know.
[02:26] <billybigrigger> drs305, no clue what your talking about there haha
[02:27] <drs305> The only way I can get it into the MBR is run a reinstallation without formatting the partition and using the Advanced feature near the end of the install.
[02:27] <drs305> caljohn has a script to run that will tell you just about anything you need to know about partitions and booting. I'll find you a link - just for background.
[02:29] <drs305> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/   Prints out a nice summary as RESULTS.txt
[02:32]  * billybigrigger wonders if it's because i'm in recovery mode my printer isn't working properly
[02:33] <mac9416> Hello, I'm upgrading to Karmic. I have a very slimmed-down install (removed many gnome apps and replaced with lightweight apps). Now, to upgrade, it wants me to install all the apps that come by default with Ubuntu. Is there any way to avoid that huge download and process of removing those apps again?
[02:33] <billybigrigger> anyone else having boot problems? as soon as i get to xsplash my system locks up
[02:33] <billybigrigger> and i can't get any gdm or xsplash updates because i can't resolve a dependancy issue so no aptitude safe-upgrade :(
[02:34] <billybigrigger> mac9416, Xubuntu?
[02:34] <billybigrigger> :P
[02:34] <kernco> Grub takes about 10 seconds to load before the boot menu appears.  It used to take less than a second.  Anyone know what happened?  It started about 3 weeks ago I think.
[02:35] <mac9416> billybigrigger, no, I've customized the default install. Worse than XFCE: Fluxbox ;-)
[02:35] <billybigrigger> i'm pretty sure a timeout was added kernco
[02:35] <billybigrigger> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[02:35] <billybigrigger> nano /etc/default/grub
[02:35] <kernco> billybigrigger: This is before the menu even appears it says "Loading grub..." for 10 seconds and then the menu appears
[02:35] <kernco> and the hard drive thrashes the whole time
[02:36] <billybigrigger> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[02:36] <billybigrigger> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[02:36] <kernco> I'll try that
[02:36] <DKcross> oh... any have the problem with USB mouses?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> kernco, did you upgrade or fresh install of karmic?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> maybe grub legacy is chainloading into grub2
[02:37] <kernco> I fresh installed karmic this summer, between alpha 1 and 2 I think, and at first this delay wasn't there.
[02:37] <billybigrigger> lots of changes since then my friend :P
[02:38] <billybigrigger> grub2 wasn't even set as default until A3 iirc
[02:38] <musikgoat> kernco: you might find benefit to a fresh install
[02:38] <musikgoat> or when the beta is released on the 4th i think
[02:38] <musikgoat> or 1st
[02:38] <billybigrigger> 1st i believe
[02:38] <kernco> I'll probably just wait until the actual release to do a fresh install
[02:40] <DanaG> yargh, I wonder if re-customizing a fresh install would get rid of my slowness of booting.
[02:40] <DanaG> There's a whole lot of customization I'd have to redo, however.
[02:40] <DanaG> hal fdi files, xorg.conf, package installations, repositories and keys, and tons of other stuff.
[02:40] <kernco> Once I get to the grub menu and choose the kernel, I think the boot is faster than it's ever been for me
[02:41] <DanaG> For me, it takes longer than Jaunty did.
[02:41] <drs305> For me I think it's about 25 seconds, which is faster.
[02:44] <danield707> Good Day
[02:46] <virtuald> My boot feels faster but I haven't measured with gnome startup. It might be about the same.
[02:47] <billybigrigger> booting may be quicker, but from gdm to gnome desktop is alot slower :P
[02:50] <test34> after you login it is still part of the login time
[02:50] <test34> boot time
[02:51] <billybigrigger> only if you have bootchart to log past that
[02:51] <test34> I don't need a bootchart to know I'm still waiting
[02:54] <aliendude5300> How do you use wildcards in nautilus? I'm used to MS-DOS... do you just type *.exe for all exe files or what?
[02:56] <test34> aliendude5300, like a filter in the "Go To" bar?
[02:56] <mac9416> From update-manager's man page: "ACTIONS PERFORMED DURING AN UPGRADE TO A NEW VERSION / * eventually reinstall the package ubuntu-desktop" Any way I can disable that?
[02:56] <aliendude5300> Like the "Search" bar.
[02:57] <aliendude5300> I've been using Windows for over 8 years, it's hard to switch... I know every single default DOS command, and I have to re-learn that all :/
[02:57] <aliendude5300> And yet at the same time, I totally hate Windows lol
[02:58] <test34> yes * is wildcard
[02:58] <aliendude5300> Thing is... I used *.png in a folder with thousands of PNG images and got no results...
[02:58] <aliendude5300> so I must be doing something wrong
[02:58] <test34> ? is also a wildcard for one character only
[02:59] <aliendude5300> hmm... Nautilus doesnt recognize * as a wildcard... .png works file though
[03:00] <aliendude5300> really weird.
[03:01] <test34> aliendude5300, I was using the Application - Accessories - Search for Files
[03:01] <test34> I'm not even sure what the program name is or if it's part of nautilus
[03:02] <test34> it's probably part of gnome
[03:12] <pwnguin> what's the default jukebox in 9.10?
[03:12] <pwnguin> rhythmbox or banshee?
[03:13] <pwnguin> (or exaile, or songbird, etc)
[03:13] <virtuald> Rhythmbox afaik
[03:15] <RAOF> Yeah, it's still Rhythmbox.
[03:16] <RAOF> There are a couple of things that Banshee still doesn't quite do; one of them is accessibility in a released version, so that's a blocker.
[03:16] <pwnguin> im trying to move my ratings out of rhythmbox
[03:17] <pwnguin> into banshee, but i guess it's not a big deal yet
[03:17] <RAOF> Does Banshee's rhythmbox importer not handle that?
[03:18] <pwnguin> i can't make it trigger
[03:18] <pwnguin> i may need to revisit my repos
[03:18] <webbb82> i am trying to install dropbox in karmic and i ket a failed to install  bad file descriptor
[03:18] <webbb82> any help
[03:20] <RAOF> pwnguin: Media->Import Media->Rhythmbox.  But this doesn't work in Karmic's 1.4.3, so...
[03:21] <webbb82>  i am trying to install dropbox in karmic and i ket a failed to install  bad file descriptor
[03:22] <webbb82> oops
[03:25] <webbb82> this better describes Ok, so I recently upgraded to Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha and everytime I try to install something using Gdebi, it tells me "Bad file descriptor"
[03:31] <webbb82> does anyone know about gdeb acting up in karmic
[03:32] <webbb82> when i used kpackager it worked so i know its a bug in gdebi
[03:34] <pwnguin> RAOF: i had/have a ppa of it
[03:35] <RAOF> My copy is trunk; I needed to track it for the gapless work.
[03:35] <pwnguin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/banshee-unstable-team/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[03:35] <RAOF> Oooh, Jaunty.  Oldschool :)
[03:35] <pwnguin> heh
[03:36] <pwnguin> the laptop with karmic is all the way downstairs
[03:36] <pwnguin> and doesnt have my ratings
[03:36] <pwnguin> you'd think id3 tags would have a rating field
[03:36] <webbb82> i also have a weird issue when ever i open a new window/app the window will start maximised with the title bar gone
[03:37] <RAOF> I think id3v2 does, but probably has 3 different versions of it.
[03:37] <pwnguin> heh
[03:37] <RAOF> id3v1 obviously was trying to fit everything in 128bytes, so didn't pick one of those up :)
[03:39] <pwnguin> is there a better ppa for banshee 1.5?
[03:40] <RAOF> No idea, sorry.
[03:41] <pwnguin> maybe i'll bug the ubuntu mono people
[03:41] <pwnguin> if they have a channel
[04:00] <EruditeHermit> does anyone have experience formatting a drive with ext4?
[04:02] <webbb82> what i dont understand is if i use the gui for gdebi i get a Bad file descriptor  but if i install via terminal or use kpackage namager it works
[04:03] <DanaG> Is there a bug report for that?
[04:03] <webbb82> ya i think
[04:03] <webbb82> i saw one im pretty sure
[04:03] <RAOF> EruditeHermit: What do you mean?
[04:04] <EruditeHermit> RAOF, I just formatted a 500GB drive, 465GB in real terms. However, 23GB is now used of that 465 after format
[04:05] <EruditeHermit> why?
[04:06] <RAOF> That looks suspiciously like 5% of your drive.
[04:06] <RAOF> That would be the default percentage of the filesystem reserved for use by the root user.
[04:06] <EruditeHermit> oh
[04:06] <EruditeHermit> why is that reserved?
[04:06] <RAOF> Because all sorts of tools will fail _hard_ when you can't write anything.
[04:07] <RAOF> This means that a user can't make the computer unbootable by filling up all disc space.
[04:07] <RAOF> At least, without the root passwork.
[04:07] <RAOF> s/passwork/password/g
[04:07] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[04:07] <EruditeHermit> its not a booting disk
[04:08] <EruditeHermit> its an external drive I just formatted
[04:08] <hggdh> still, the reservation holds
[04:08] <pwnguin> if it's just storage, you can tune it away
[04:08] <pwnguin> if it's for homedirs
[04:08] <RAOF> That's the reason behind the default; that rationale obviously doesn't apply to your case.
[04:08] <EruditeHermit> ok
[04:08] <pwnguin> then you may need to keep it around or lower the reserve
[04:08] <pwnguin> a root shell login doesnt need 23GB
[04:09] <EruditeHermit> how does one tune this away
[04:09] <EruditeHermit> tune2fs?
[04:09] <EruditeHermit> and is it a bad idea to do so?
[04:09] <pwnguin> ive never done it, but i would assume tune2fs
[04:09] <EruditeHermit> ext3 didn't have this
[04:09] <pwnguin> orly?
[04:10] <aliendude5300> EruditeHermit: I'd assume FAT32 would be best for external storage.
[04:10] <EruditeHermit> I didn't think fat32 was good for anything other than USB sticks
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> pwnguin, I am not sure, did it?
[04:11] <aliendude5300> Hrmm... I have my 250GB External drive formatted in FAT32.
[04:11] <aliendude5300> It's broken now but that while it worked, it worked fine...
[04:11] <aliendude5300> :/
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> FAT32 doesn't do files>4GB right
[04:11] <RAOF> Right.
[04:11] <aliendude5300> yeah
[04:11] <aliendude5300> No > 4GB
[04:11] <pwnguin> i dont see why they'd special case ext3, since it's the default
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> I am not sure about ext3
[04:11] <EruditeHermit> i just never noticed it before
[04:11] <aliendude5300> But ext2/3 have limited compatibility with non-unix OSes
[04:12] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: where limited compatibility means you have to install a driver
[04:12] <EruditeHermit> i'm ok with that
[04:12] <aliendude5300> exactly. You need admin rights on a PC to do that.
[04:12] <EruditeHermit> no non unix OSes here
[04:12] <RAOF> Well, for Windows.  And you don't get the journalling, which may or may not be an issue for you.
[04:12] <aliendude5300> Not gonna happen on another person's PC.
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> so is it a bad idea to tune2fs that reserve down for the external backup drive?
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> or is that acceptable?
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> what happens if that gets close to 100% full
[04:13] <EruditeHermit> do things start going wrong?
[04:13] <RAOF> No.
[04:14] <RAOF> Not if it's just external storage.
[04:14] <EruditeHermit> and is there an ext4 driver for other OSes?
[04:14] <EruditeHermit> mac/windows
[04:14] <EruditeHermit> not that i'd ever need to use them
[04:14] <EruditeHermit> but just wondering
[04:15] <aliendude5300> This has nothing at all to do with Ubuntu, but does anyone know how to make recordmydesktop STOP recording? :/
[04:15] <aliendude5300> Other than killall recordmydesktop
[04:15] <RAOF> aliendude5300: I believe you hit the "Stop" button that has appeared in your notification area :)
[04:15] <EruditeHermit> aliendude5300, hit the stop button in the tray
[04:15] <EruditeHermit> oh
[04:15] <EruditeHermit> aliendude5300, install gtk-recordmydesktop
[04:15] <aliendude5300> What if said stop button is non-existant
[04:15] <EruditeHermit> then the stop button WILL be there
[04:16]  * aliendude5300 has no stop button :(
[04:16] <pwnguin> run it from the command line
[04:16] <aliendude5300> Wasting so much disk space
[04:16] <pwnguin> it probably crashed
[04:16] <ghindo> Firefox isn't correctly rendering some sites for me, is anyone else having this trouble?
[04:16] <aliendude5300> Alt+F2 is a baaad way to start recordmydesktop
[04:16]  * aliendude5300 learned that the hard way
[04:16] <aliendude5300> gotta stop it with killall now
[04:16] <pwnguin> pkill
[04:16] <aliendude5300> why pkill?
[04:17] <aliendude5300> dont you have to pgrep then pkill the pid that way?
[04:17] <pwnguin> pkill takes strings
[04:17] <pwnguin> no serious reason, but killall on solaris does not behave the same as on linux
[04:17] <jamieleshaw> Hello, does gnome-shell have it's own visual effects system?
[04:18] <aliendude5300> Wonderful! I have a 258MB recording of me testing out record my desktop. This is exactly how I want it to work... not.
[04:18] <aliendude5300> So I need gtk-recordmydesktop for the stop button?
[04:19] <jamieleshaw> aliendude5300: Yes
[04:19] <aliendude5300> Why does everything crash all the time in Karmic? :/
[04:19] <aliendude5300> Never had issues with Jaunty alpha
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> RAOF, is it safe to delete the lost+found directory created after a fresh format?
[04:20] <EruditeHermit> RAOF, you were right, it was the 5% reserve
[04:20] <RAOF> EruditeHermit: I dunno, actually.  I suspect fsck would recreate it if it needed to, but I tend to just leave it.
[04:21] <Adapter> !usb
[04:22] <Adapter> hi @all
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> is there a backup utility that you guys would recommend btw?
[04:22] <Adapter> is there anything with the usb my printer epson is not find but lsusb find him
[04:23] <Adapter> Areca-backup
[04:23] <webbb82> does anyone els get a error when installing via gdebi
[04:28] <webbb82> and its only the gui version of gdbi that doesnt work it works in the terminal
[04:29] <EruditeHermit> Adapter, why is areca-backup not in debian/ubuntu
[04:29] <EruditeHermit> it is GPL2
[04:29] <EruditeHermit> it seems
[04:29] <Adapter> no google is your friend (java)
[04:30] <Adapter> but works good for me
[04:31] <Amaranth> EruditeHermit: If it's not in Ubuntu it doesn't exist ;)
[04:31] <EruditeHermit> it really doesn't
[04:31] <EruditeHermit> debian packages everything
[04:31] <EruditeHermit> =p
[04:32] <Adapter> http://www.areca-backup.org/
[04:33] <Amaranth> Adapter: Nope, doesn't exist
[04:33] <Adapter> not as deb its a java
[04:49] <alankila> webkit is awesome
[04:50] <alankila> this effect I wrote flatly kills firefox but runs quite smoothly in webkit: http://bel.fi/~alankila/rotzoomer.html
[04:51] <DanaG> Nice.  It does kill firefox.
[04:51] <alankila> install epiphany to take a look at it
[04:51] <alankila> in truth, firefox isn't quite dead, it just takes like 10 seconds to have one frame ready.
[04:52] <DanaG> hmm, for me, the window is not even drawing anymore.
[04:52] <alankila> and it is utterly stalled while it's doing something mysterious, I don't know what
[04:52] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:52] <alankila> it's also worth it to take a look at this in webkit: http://bel.fi/~alankila/plasma.html
[04:52] <tj83|> what is the current package for calibrating joysticks/gamepads? anyone? what happened to jscalibrator?
[04:52] <DanaG> hmm, chromium does that effect fine, too.
[04:53] <alankila> setting effect's resolution to 512x512 pixels is quite usable in webkit still. That indicates webkit is able to evaluate something like 2,6 million iterations of relatively complex function
[04:53] <alankila> per second, that is
[04:54] <webbb82> ok i think i figured it out  if i just double click on the .deb file i will get the error but if i right click then click on install with gdebi package installer it works fine , i think i have two gdebi apps
[04:56] <kuttans> #openoffice.org
[05:00] <DKcross> i cant use my USB mouse in karmic
[05:00] <DKcross> any idea?
[05:01] <DKcross> [15166.596060] usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 11
[05:01] <DKcross> [15166.778303] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[05:01] <DKcross> but no mount
[05:01] <EruditeHermit> is anyone able to use palimpsest to create a partition?
[05:04] <milos_> is there a way to not having entering pass everytime I wake up laptop from suspend? I have turned off screensaver and his lock option.
[05:05] <aliendude5300> milos_: not sure... maybe enable auto login?
[05:06] <milos_> aliendude5300: hm, I'll try it.
[05:06] <alankila> hah, the effect runs better on my phone than on the desktop firefox :)
[05:07] <aliendude5300> The option is under Administration > Login Screen. Worth a try.
[05:07] <webbb82> one last thing ,for some reason for the past few days whenever i launch a app/window its automaticly opened maximised so i have to resize everything i open
[05:07] <bullgard4> '~$ sudo hwinfo --framebuffer' lists as maximum resolution 1280x1024 but my display has 1400 x 1050 pixels. What can I do to get a higher framebuffer resolution?
[05:09] <DanaG> oh yeah, do you have "devilspie" installed?  It's a utility that's useful, but comes with a not-so-useful default rule that does that auto-maximize.
[05:10] <webbb82> yes i just installed devilspi yesterday thanks
[05:15] <milos_> nope. that didn't work...
[05:21] <DanaG> hmm, I forgot where the config for that is.
[05:21] <DanaG> gdevilspie is some third-party thingy to configure devilspie.
[05:21] <DanaG> google for it; I don't think it's packaged.
[05:21] <DanaG> ah, stuff is in directory ".devilspie"
[05:30] <DBO> something in the new kernel is preventing the b43 driver from connecting
[05:30] <DBO> was working in lsat kernel
[05:41] <bullgard4> When booting my Karmic computer displays on the virtual console 1 only 25 lines of text. How can I make it more verbose of boot messages?
[05:54] <habanany> hello
[06:05] <RAOF> bullgard4: Remove the "quiet" option from your kernel options.
[06:05] <milos_> bullgard4: you can try to remove quiet option from ...
[06:06] <milos_> RAOF: took my words..
[06:06] <RAOF> This can be found in /etc/default/grub (after which you'll need to "sudo update-grub"), or you can do it per-boot from the grub prompt.
[06:10] <aprilhare_> grrr accidentally didn't convert the firefox 3.0 data to firefox 3.5 - is there a way to trip that to appear again?
[06:10] <aprilhare_> hey :)
[06:13] <alokito> Jordan_U, is the gdm a new version? there's no option to change login screen
[06:13] <Jordan_U> alokito: Yes, complete rewrite
[06:13] <alokito> and if gdm is selected shutdown and restart options are gone from kubuntu desktop
[06:14] <alokito> this problem doesn't exist in jaunty gdm
[06:14] <pwnguin> karmic has gdm2
[06:14] <pwnguin> jaunty has gdm
[06:14] <pwnguin> it does come with a much nicer face browser
[06:15] <Jordan_U> alokito: That's one of those things that's broken :)
[06:15] <alokito> pwnguin, so gdm2 has conflick with kde
[06:15] <alokito> pwnguin, u can install lots of beautiful face browsers in jaunty gdm
[06:15] <pwnguin> alokito: but they aren't animated
[06:15] <Jordan_U> alokito: If there isn't already a bug filed about that you can help by filing one
[06:15] <alokito> pwnguin, hmm yes
[06:16] <pwnguin> and i think accessibility is improved in gdm2
[06:16] <pwnguin> you might be able to run cellwriter
[06:16] <alokito> Jordan_U, i feel lazy to post bugs in bugzilla :P
[06:16] <pwnguin> alokito: you could search and see if anyone's found a workaround
[06:16] <alokito> pwnguin, and about grub2, why is manual editing disabled?
[06:16] <pwnguin> no clue
[06:16] <Jordan_U> alokito: Launchpad is a much nicer interface IMHO
[06:17] <pwnguin> my goal tonight is to migrate to grub2
[06:17] <cwillu_at_work> what's the process for requesting a sync from upstream on a package in main?
[06:17] <DanaG> hmm, the Ubuntu wine doesn't have OpenAL support!
[06:17] <cwillu_at_work> or a cherry pickl
[06:17] <alokito> pwnguin, you are using grub1 now?
[06:17] <pwnguin> alokito: yes
[06:17] <alokito> in karmic?
[06:17] <pwnguin> yes
[06:17] <RAOF> DanaG: 1.1.30 does, doesn't it?  I saw that in the changelog.
[06:17] <DanaG> yeah, Wine does... but the ubuntu package does not.
[06:17] <alokito> ive grub 2 but im using my jaunty grub
[06:18] <DanaG> It needs a build-dep on the openal headers.
[06:18] <Jordan_U> alokito: Because grub.conf is overwritten whenever you get a kernel update, so you need to make sure you make changes to the template in /etc/default/grub instead
[06:18] <pwnguin> if you upgrade from jaunty you should have grub1
[06:18] <alokito> pwnguin, i have installed separately
[06:19] <bullgard4> RAOF: I did remove the kernel option parameter 'quiet' in /boot/grub/menu.lst. So your recipe is not enough.
[06:19] <Jordan_U> I don't use wine, have OpenAL apps simply not worked in wine before now or is it just better supported?
[06:19] <bullgard4> milos_: I did remove the kernel option parameter 'quiet' in /boot/grub/menu.lst. So your recipe is not enough.
[06:19] <RAOF> bullgard4: And you're actually using grub, rather than grub2?
[06:19] <alokito> Jordan_U, i can just configure the settings, there's no option to edit grub entries there
[06:20] <Jordan_U> alokito: What are you trying to change?
[06:20] <bullgard4> RAOF: I think so. How can I check that?
[06:20] <alokito> Jordan_U, edit the boot order of systems
[06:20] <RAOF> bullgard4: dpkg --list grub-pc
[06:21] <alokito> like, bring a os from 4th place to 1st in the grub list
[06:21] <alokito> or delete a os and rename it
[06:22] <aprilhare_> grrr accidentally didn't convert the firefox 3.0 data to firefox 3.5 - is there a way to trip that to appear again?
[06:22] <alokito> they could be done easily with menu.lst
[06:23] <alokito> Jordan_U, any clue how to do them in grub2?
[06:23] <bullgard4> RAOF: I am not familiar with the command 'dpkg --list'. I executed it and it outputs: "Name=grub-pc". Is this an unambiguous result?
[06:24] <pwnguin> bullgard4: version or description fields?
[06:24] <Jordan_U> alokito: Is the other OS another linux distro or Windows?
[06:24] <pwnguin> bullgard4: actually, the first two letters of that line should work. does it say "in"?
[06:24] <DanaG> aprilhare_: look in .mozilla
[06:25] <alokito> Jordan_U, any os, I have xp, windows 7 and fedora installed along with karmic and jaunty
[06:25] <DanaG> you'll want to copy or move whatever you want to keep, to be .mozilla/firefox.
[06:25] <bullgard4> pwnguin: 'Version=<none>', 'Description=(no description available)'.
[06:26] <bullgard4> pwnguin: It says: "un", not "in".
[06:26] <Jordan_U> alokito: That's possible to do in grub2 but it's *much* less strait foreward unfortunately, you need to edit the scripts in /etc/grub.d/
[06:27] <alokito> :( ok
[06:28] <DanaG> why bother changing the order?
[06:28] <Jordan_U> alokito: You can also edit the grub.conf manually but it's not recommended and will be overwritten
[06:28] <alokito> DanaG, to boot to my favorite os-s easily from a large os list
[06:28] <aprilhare_> DanaG: i see directory firefox.3.0-replaced - now what? :)
[06:28] <alokito> Jordan_U, yah i heard that
[06:28] <aprilhare_> oh sorry didn't read
[06:28] <aprilhare_> :)
[06:28] <DanaG> cp -R firefox-3.0-replaced/* firefox/
[06:29] <DanaG> Or even move the firefox dir to firefox-3.5-old and move the 3.0-abandoned to just plain firefox.
[06:31] <bullgard4> pwnguin: Synaptic says that I have installed the DEB program package 'grub' and not 'grub2'.
[06:31] <pwnguin> sounds like you dont have grub
[06:31] <pwnguin> err
[06:31] <pwnguin> dont have grub2
[06:33] <bullgard4> pwnguin: '~$ which grub; /usr/sbin/grub'
[06:35] <DanaG> grub --version
[06:35] <DanaG> er
[06:38] <aprilhare_> thanks dana
[06:40] <SandGorgon> hi guys... i have a custom 2.6.31 kernel and i installed b43 Broadcom BC4312 driver - the wireless connection starts to connect but is never able to associate with my WPA2 router - how do i debug this ?
[06:40] <Jordan_U> alokito: For multiple linux installs you could have each install have its own grub.conf with only its entries with one grub.conf that presents a menu to load the others ( if that was at al comprehensible :)
[06:41] <alokito> Jordan_U, grub2 seems very complex to me
[06:41] <alokito> grub1 was simple
[06:41] <Jordan_U> alokito: That would also make the menu much less cluttered
[06:41] <Jordan_U> alokito: true
[06:52] <sim_> bingung nih
[06:54] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I solved the problem with a missing /dev/dri/card0, here's my thread if someone else asks you - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8015880
[06:59] <Amaranth> Ugly hack, don't recommend that to anyone
[07:03] <hifi> mmh, thunderbird on karmic is really slow
[07:04] <hifi> "I know my hard drive is failing, but..."
[07:04] <qzio> i've started to have lots of trouble with the computer since an upgrade this weekend. It changes my hostname after each reboot, even though i change it in /etc/hostname and using the hostname command :(
[07:05] <qzio> it's like this oem-thing is installed and runns after every reboot :(
[07:05] <Amaranth> qzio: uninstall oem-config
[07:06] <qzio> yeah, done that.
[07:06] <qzio> and today X wouldnt' start after yesterday's update.
[07:07] <qzio> i got it to start after a gdm restart. but without metacity/compiz. and gnome-terminal won't start.
[07:07] <qzio> firefox starts, but out-of-window
[07:07] <hifi> evolution is fast though
[07:07] <qzio> i've only done upgrades and been running karmic since alpha 4
[07:09] <bullgard4> DanaG: Thank you.
[07:10] <danield707> good day
[07:11] <qzio> <3 gnome-do it allowed me to go metacity --replace \o/
[07:11] <qzio> but everything is super-slow
[07:11] <Amaranth> qzio: Sounds like the intel_agp/i915 load order problem
[07:12] <Amaranth> qzio: If they load in the wrong order you lose all 2D and 3D acceleration
[07:12] <danield707> Karmic - Nvidia / N00b question - dual monitors running in twinview / im attempting to run it as a single desktop - Ive tried posistions abslolue and /left/right of with no results... im i missing something obvious?
[07:12] <qzio> Amaranth: sound like my machine at the moment :)
[07:12] <qzio> i've done a safe-upgrade, it installed a new kernel. will try a reboot...
[07:23] <bullgard4> When booting my computer displays on the virtual console 1 only 25 lines of text. How can I make it more verbose of boot messages?
[07:25] <alokito> how to change the default mouse pointer
[07:26] <alokito> my default pointer was set to oxygen after I installed kdm
[07:26] <alokito> and when I select a theme in gnome its appearing as default
[08:15] <krabador> NetworkManager Applet 0.7.996 is a massacre
[08:16] <krabador> all right with dhcp, but totally don't works form manual settingd
[08:16] <krabador> settings
[08:26] <bullgard4> krabador: Make more specific statements.
[08:27] <krabador> bullgard4: when i try manual settings (my home lan) after "apply"
[08:27] <krabador> nothings happens
[08:28] <krabador> i edit again and i discover "automatic" again
[08:28] <krabador> very annoying.
[08:29] <krabador> i deleted and i created a new one, directly with manual settings
[08:29] <krabador> but nothing
[08:29] <krabador> "automatic (dhcp)" is the only things working
[08:31] <vega> networkmanager seems to be still crap, on my machine it always wants to default to wireless network even if a cable is plugged in
[08:31] <vega> and there's no way to configure it otherwise, one always has to manually disable wireless, then enable wired
[08:34] <krabador> i'm using yesterday's karmic daily live, in a daily live of one week ago, i can't set manual settings too , before when i type "manual" all the screen was ghost
[08:35] <krabador> deleting the eth0 connection nm asked to autheticate, and recreating the connection i set the manual correctly
[08:36] <krabador> on yesterday's daily live, when i type "manual" nm ask to authenticate, but don't save the settings
[08:36] <vega> (sorry, wrong chan, my experience is with jaunty)
[08:36] <krabador> in no way
[08:36] <vega> haven't tested the problematic machine on karmic yet
[08:38] <krabador> bullgard4: it's enough specific?
[08:40] <bullgard4> krabador: yes.
[08:40] <krabador> bullgard4: ah, sometimes after settings it creshes
[08:40] <krabador> crashes
[08:41] <bullgard4> krabador: have a look into Launchpad. I am convnced that the bug that you describe is listed there already.
[08:42] <bullgard4> s/convnced/convinced/
[08:50] <tgpraveen> krabador: file a bug in LP
[08:53] <krabador> bullgard4, https://bugs.launchpad.net/network-manager nothing about here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.searchtext=network+manager&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIX
[08:53] <krabador> COMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=   , nothing here
[09:10] <bullgard4> krabador: If that is true, file a bug report yourself.
[09:11] <krabador> i can't do it in launchpad page directly
[09:11] <bullgard4> I beg your pardon?
[09:28] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[09:28] <zniavre> what is wipthail please?
[09:29] <zniavre> it eats all my cpu
[09:57] <pwnguin> heh
[09:57] <pwnguin> upgrade-from-grub-legacy wants to know if i want to install to mmcblk0
[10:00] <Oli```> is deluge working for people today?
[10:01] <anselm> pwnguin: I think that's your SD or mmc card
[10:08] <Oli```> nvm, just started working for some reason
[10:23] <AlanBell> !info whiptail
[10:23] <BleSS> I need configure dm-crypt using options that doesn't come with alternate installer (i.e. twofish-xts), does this has changed whith the last alpha?
[11:06] <Ian_> alpha 6 live cd init expects a CD media?
[11:15] <Ian_> in the installer, the tty's aren't logged in immediatly, what's the ubuntu user's password?
[11:20] <ArcticAzure> hello
[11:21] <ArcticAzure> does anyone here have a problem with manually installing .deb files with the gnome deb installer?
[11:22] <ArcticAzure> it outputs in the terminal this message "dpkg:unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor"
[11:24] <ArcticAzure> I'm guessing that ubuntu has a cripple meat disability with .deb file meats.
[11:31] <kulight> ArcticAzure: yes theres a bug in the graphical gdebi terminal or synaptic should work
[11:32] <mvo> there is a bug about it (targeted)
[11:32] <ArcticAzure> so dpkg should work okay? i'll try
[11:32] <kulight> ArcticAzure: yes
[11:33] <ArcticAzure> okay
[11:33] <ArcticAzure> it seems to be working
[11:33] <ArcticAzure> not a big deal ;)
[11:33] <ArcticAzure> i'm confident it'll be fixed by release
[11:36] <slacker_nl> why does aptitude changelog $package output: "E: $package is not an official Ubuntu package, cannot display its changelog." while when you remove the preferences file it just displays the output?
[11:37] <slacker_nl> the output being the changelog of the package..
[11:38] <slacker_nl> pin package: not official ubuntu package, no pin package: propper changelog
[11:38] <ArcticAzure> when I try running braid in wine, my system locks up, did this in jaunty too
[11:39] <ArcticAzure> not even ctrl+alt+F1 helps
[11:42] <iflema> hello too all
[11:43] <slacker_nl> hello iflema
[11:43] <ArcticAzure> yay, my laptop battery is fixing itself
[12:03] <ArcticAzure> goodnight everyone
[12:14] <leleobhz> someone here using networkmanager and openvpn plugin?
[12:43] <knittl> hm. rhythmbox tells me autoaudiosink is missing. what can i do to solve this?
[13:08] <girrr> I've just installed a new ubuntu karmic with debootstrap and then chrooted it and installed additional software and grub... When I try to boot it I get init: sreadahead main process terminated wth status 1 and more or less the same for procps
[13:22] <Veinor> why don't I have an xorg.conf?
[13:22] <Tekno> its not needed
[13:22] <Veinor> ah
[13:23] <Veinor> also, notify-send notifications seem to be popping up a bit lower than they should be
[13:25] <leleobhz> openvpn for networkmanager have a problem
[13:25] <leleobhz> my openvpn server is configured to use server-bridge
[13:25] <leleobhz> so it send the route-gateway to the client
[13:26] <leleobhz> but networkmanager dont adjust the default route (instead just point a route to tap device)
[14:04] <BleSS> I need configure dm-crypt using options that doesn't come with alternate installer (i.e. twofish-xts), does this has changed whith the last alpha?
[14:44] <Ian_> The following packages will be REMOVED: aptitude apturl gnome-codec-install jockey-gtk language-selector software-properties-gtk synaptic tasksel tasksel-data ubufox ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard update-manager update-notifier
[14:44] <Ian_> hmmm
[14:44] <Ian_> I don't think i wanna update :p
[14:45] <darthanubis> ha
[14:45] <mvo> Ian_: no, just wait a bit
[14:45] <mvo> for the next publisher run
[14:45] <darthanubis> yeah
[14:46] <darthanubis> I am using 9.10 as my mythbuntu box
[14:46] <darthanubis> not bad
[14:46] <Ian_> yeah i know mvo :)
[14:46] <mvo> :)
[14:46] <skath> I can't get karmic alpha 6 to boot into recovery mode
[14:47] <skath> when it boots normally, the display freezes when it tries to log me into gnome... not ctrl-alt-backspace, not ctrl-alt-f1, no ctrl-alt-delete
[14:48] <skath> When I boot into recovery mode, the recovery menu shows for less than a second, then X pops up and runs gnome and freezes just like on normal boot
[14:49] <skath> I thought it would be a problem with my migration from jaunty to karmic so I did a clean install of karmic from the alpha 6 ISO but it still keeps happening
[14:49] <hanshenrik> chances the GCC 4.4.1 builds for karmic will work with januty? (dont know witch channel to ask this so im asking in both :p)
[14:50] <penguin42> I'd say worth a go
[14:50] <penguin42> I wouldn't be surprised if they had some package dependencies which meant they didn't want to though
[14:53] <penguin42> I'm curious what people get as a response to the following command: hal-get-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key system.chassis.type
[14:53] <penguin42> I get 'Other'
[14:54] <vinoman> I've noticed running Karmic live that now the network manager wants to install a wifi driver instead of just finding your wireless networks. Why would they do that?
[14:54] <penguin42> perhaps it's after a driver better suited to your hardware?
[14:54] <vinoman> It seems like a step backwards, 9.04 worked very well. I hope 9.10 is just as good.
[14:55] <vinoman> penguin42: but since its running live I can't install the driver.
[14:56] <penguin42> really? oh - sounds like a bug then!
[14:56] <kyja> I noticed that too. I liked being able to install and enable the driver from the harware drivers application. before I had to hard plug my laptop into the router to get it working before 9.04
[14:56] <vinoman> as long as it works for my laptop and others that I will install in on I don't care what driver it uses as long as it works!
[14:58] <vinoman> I'll wait until Oct. 29 an install the 9.10 final. Hope they fix the bug before then if it is a bug.
[14:59] <Pici> No one is going to fix a bug if its not logged.
[14:59] <penguin42> vinoman: It'll be too late by then to report a bug that stops you using it!
[14:59] <vinoman> where is the link to bug reports?
[14:59] <Pici> !bugs
[14:59] <bullgard> I found in /boot/config-2.6.31-11-generic the line: "CONFIG_DRM_915_KMS=y." a.) What does 'KMS' stand for? b.) How can I use KMS?
[14:59] <penguin42> hmm that probably needs to change now, that manual link doesn't work I don't think
[15:00] <Pici> bullgard: a) Kernel Mode Setting
[15:00] <bullgard> Pici: Thank you.
[15:00] <krabador> nautilus is slower than jaunty, browsing samba share
[15:01] <krabador> 500% slowest
[15:01] <bullgard> krabador: You are comparing apples with peaches.
[15:01] <penguin42> bullgard: Why?
[15:02] <bullgard> penguin42: Because nautilus und jaunty are terms of very different categories.
[15:02] <krabador> bullgard: yes, but this thing will be improved?
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> try accessing the share via the shell.. see if its slower/faster i guess.
[15:03] <penguin42> bullgard: I'm not sure but I think he's saying nautilus on karmic is slower than nautilus on jaunty - but maybe I'm reading too much into it
[15:03] <krabador> Dr_Willis: yes, i tried, i can tell you the same...
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> if its just as slow in the shell. as in nautulus. then its aparently not a nautilus issue.
[15:04] <penguin42> did anyone try that hal command I just asked for?
[15:04] <krabador> i said nautilus on (actual) karmic is slower than nautilus on jaunty browsing the samba share
[15:04] <vinoman> why is it so hard to file a bug report?
[15:04] <vinoman> you have to jump through 5 hoops to send one
[15:05] <bullgard> krabador, penguin42 With me. Nautilus in Karmic is not slower than Nautilus in Jaunty.
[15:05] <penguin42> vinoman: I think they're trying to get you to use ubuntu-bug to report things since it gives logs - it's just a PITA if it's something simple you want to report
[15:05] <vinoman> I'll let somebody else report it. I'm sure Im not the only one.
[15:05] <vinoman> I
[15:06] <vinoman> I'll wait until the final comes out and hope for the best. wifi has to be equal or better than 9.04
[15:06] <bullgard> vinoman: I agree with you. The reason might be to force people to use automatic bug reporting in order to get more meaningful bug reports.
[15:06] <krabador> bullgard: samba share are very slowest, i'm only signal this, if the reason is somewhere else, ok
[15:06] <hanshenrik> just added karmic repo's to jaunty and updating gcc, wonder what's about to happen :P
[15:07] <vinoman> where is the auto bug report?
[15:07] <Pici> vinoman: Thats a bad attitude to have about bug reports.
[15:07] <penguin42> Pici: I have some sympathy if it's made hard to report them
[15:07] <vinoman> Pici: where do I make a bug report? I still can't find it
[15:08] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:09] <Pici> vinoman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs explains all the ways of filing a bug, is there a specific part of it that is difficult to understand?
[15:12] <vinoman> I'm not running Ubuntu on this computer. Too many choices. is there a page that I can go to and enter a bug report and send it?
[15:12] <XDevHald> vinoman: http://www.launchpad.net
[15:13] <vinoman> Ubuntu is on my laptop.
[15:13] <penguin42> XDevHald: It doesn't let you any more
[15:13] <XDevHald> Really?
[15:13]  * XDevHald looks
[15:13] <penguin42> XDevHald: Really - that's what vinoman is complaining about
[15:13] <XDevHald> Sorry, just got in the room. My apologies.
[15:13] <XDevHald> Only thing I caught is what he last said.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> well, wicd let me down in the wireless dept after the previous updates ..no longer connects with the belkin USB wifi adapter . Network manager connects with eth0 but there aren't any wpa2 options for wifi and gives the disabled message when trying to launch it from the panel
[15:15] <XDevHald> Ah, that's because they're facing more towards the use of the application for the reports. I.E Firefox > Help > Report a problem
[15:15] <vinoman> thanks, I went to launchpad and logged in but there isn't a straightforward link to report a bug. why ?
[15:16] <penguin42> XDevHald: Yep - it doesn't help someone trying to report the bug from a non-ubuntu machine
[15:16] <XDevHald> One sec vinoman, I got a link for you.
[15:16] <vinoman> but I'm reporting a bug on karmic alpha 6 live that I'm not running now
[15:17] <XDevHald> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[15:18] <XDevHald> vinoman: When you arrive to that link, look to the top right "Report a bug" is in red text
[15:18] <penguin42> XDevHald: Nope
[15:18] <penguin42> XDevHald: If you click that you end up back at the ReportingBugs wiki
[15:18] <penguin42> XDevHald: They've changed every report a bug link to go back to that
[15:18] <Pici> vinoman: someone trying to report the bug from a non-ubuntu machine
[15:18] <XDevHald> Pulls up fine on my side....
[15:18] <Pici> vinoman: er, mispaste: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug?no-redirect
[15:19]  * XDevHald refreshes cache
[15:19] <XDevHald> Pici: Good link, that does work
[15:19] <wastrel> links are often useful
[15:20] <XDevHald> vinoman: You may want to bookmark that link Pici gave to you.
[15:20] <XDevHald> P.S Launchpad handed a rough defacement
[15:20] <Pici> XDevHald: No need, that was in the page that I linked before, just needed a package name to go with it.
[15:21] <XDevHald> Oh ok.
[15:22] <penguin42> Pici: People shouldn't have to hand edit URLs to report bugs
[15:23] <Pici> penguin42: I agree.
[15:23] <Pici> But the instructions are on that wiki page I linked to earlier.
[15:23] <penguin42> yeh they're just rather long winded
[15:29] <vinoman> thanks for the link. I submittied the bug report. I hope that wifi will be as easy in 9.10 as it is in 9.04
[15:49] <peppot> anyone else on karmic and seeing bad wireless (iwlagn) performance? solutions?
[15:50] <kroson> hi ppl
[15:50] <kroson> im using the latest alpha with all updates of kubuntu karmic netbook edition
[15:50] <peppot> wireless n is topping out at 14mbit/s receive! about 30% of the performance I had with 9.04 (2.6.28)!
[15:50] <kroson> how can i assign functions to eee 901 instant keys?
[15:51] <kroson> plz anyone?
[15:54] <w4ett> kro
[15:54] <w4ett> kroson: if you want to do some key mapping look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=434520
[15:55] <kroson> do you know how can i get access to system settings using the netbook edition?
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> I normally install the normal ubuntu-desktop and then use whatever the tools are on normal ubuntu.
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> You could try running/installing gnome-control-center
[15:57] <kroson> im using kubuntu
[15:57] <kroson> i like kde
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> find the kde equlilvent to  the control center then. I dont rember its name. #kubuntu may know
[15:57] <kroson> yeah i remember it, but i cant access it with kubuntu netbook edition
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> tried from a terminal?
[15:58] <kroson> dont know the name of the process
[15:58] <w4ett> you should be able to access under the administration button
[16:29] <bullgard> How can I set that my frame buffer console uses a smaller font?
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> fbset command i think.. or was it some other command..
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> may be 'setconsolefont'
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> console-tools - Linux console and font utilities
[16:46] <S33K3R> error while printing. please help!!!
[16:47] <penguin42> any particular error?
[16:47] <Pici> !error
[16:47] <jombo> hi how can i fix my gnome ?
[16:47] <jombo> all loads fine
[16:47] <jombo> but after logging
[16:48] <S33K3R> i just finished typing my assignment using open office and when i wanted to print, it just said "error while printing"
[16:48] <jombo> the 2 bars (menu and program bar) just flick and i cant select anything
[16:49] <penguin42> S33K3R: I'd go to system->administration->printing and sees if there are any errors/info there
[16:49] <arand> DanaG: Seems like someone is trying to fix your pet peeve ;) http://macslow.net/?p=392
[16:50] <jombo> anyone got that problem ?
[16:51] <peppot> anyone else on karmic and seeing bad wireless (iwlagn) performance? solutions? wireless n is topping out at 14mbit/s receive! about 30% of the performance I had with 9.04 (2.6.28)!
[16:53] <S33K3R> penguin42: its no errors shown
[16:53] <penguin42> S33K3R: Has it printed just part of your document ? What happens if you print again?   What type of printer? How is it connected? Does your document have anything odd about it - e.g. one page that is landscape?
[16:54] <rom_cdn> does Karmic include all of the fixes from the 100 paper cuts campagn?
[16:54] <S33K3R> it hasnt printed anything at all and my document is perfect
[16:55] <penguin42> S33K3R: OK, what happens if you try and print a test page from system->administration->printing ?
[16:57] <Grufle> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Karmic Koala UNR alpha 6 on an Acer Aspire ONE with a bootable usb stick. Installed ubuntu 9.04 just fine, but it won't boot from the 9.10 image. I formatted the thumb drive with win32diskimager. It said somewhere to rename the ISO to .IMG so I did
[16:57] <Grufle> I can see the thumb drive in both windows and linux no problem, and I've installed several OS'es this way
[16:58] <S33K3R> it still says "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'"
[16:58] <penguin42> S33K3R: I'm sorry I've not seen that before; what type of printer did you say it was?
[16:59] <S33K3R> hp deskjet 4200 all-in-one
[17:00] <manshoon> need help removing kubuntu-grub-splashimages.  its broken and I wont -force.
[17:00] <Grufle> hmm, I see that I tried the daily image instead of the alpha 6 release... My bad. Will try the other image before complaining
[17:02] <penguin42> S33K3R: hmm HP have some of their own stuff; try system->preferences->HPLIP toolbox - but I don't know much about it
[17:06] <BluesKaj> strange , wicd fails to find IP on wifi , but np on eth0 :P
[17:06] <kyja> manshoon, try installing a nice little application called startup-manager.
[17:07] <manshoon_> ok
[17:07] <manshoon_> wait. I cant install anything cause the dpkg is broken
[17:07] <kyja> :( ouch
[17:07] <manshoon_> well  kubuntu-grub-splashimages is broken
[17:08] <manshoon_> apt-get -f remove does not work
[17:08] <Pici> Does startup-manager handle grub2? I didn't think it did.
[17:08] <kyja> the startup-manager allows you to do settings for grub
[17:08] <manshoon_> nor does apt-get -f install
[17:08] <kyja> hmm let me check I just upgraded grub
[17:08] <Pici> manshoon_: Can you pastebin the error(s) that you're getting?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> manshoon_, rm -rf will prolly work , but be careful
[17:09] <manshoon_> ok. wheres the paste-bin. any paste-bin
[17:10] <Pici> !paste
[17:10] <manshoon_> http://pastebin.com/m75c8d15
[17:10] <virtuald> yay! alt-f2 is back
[17:11] <kyja> my  tabs changed in startup manager with grub 2. my guess is limited support. not as many options now. but I can choose splash screens with it
[17:14] <manshoon_> I just want to get rid of this thing. not able to get updates in an alpha release is not good at all
[17:16] <jbicha> I can't get the daily builds to fully boot from USB on either my Acer Aspire One or my ATI graphics-desktop
[17:16] <jbicha> both cases, the system freezes when it should be loading X
[17:17] <jbicha> xforcevesa used to be a good around but that doesn't seem to work for me here
[17:18] <manshoon_> so the only option is to wipe the system and re-install?
[17:19] <Grufle> jbicha, I can't even get it to recognize the USB drive. It just continues to boot even though other versions of Ubuntu just flies
[17:19] <Grufle> trying the alpha 6 download instead
[17:19] <jbicha> Grufle are you sure it's selected in your bios?
[17:19] <Grufle> yea, I select which device I want to boot from when I press F12
[17:20] <Grufle> I used win32diskimager to make the thumb drive bootable
[17:20] <Grufle> and I can see the thumbdrive in my boot menu
[17:20] <jbicha> did you try unetbootin ?
[17:20] <Grufle> nope
[17:20] <Grufle> thanks for the tip. I'll try that
[17:23] <jbicha> I'm going to give it another reboot & try, I'll be back
[17:26] <Grufle> same problem
[17:27] <manshoon_> ok. How do I manually remove that package without apt?
[17:27] <penguin42> dpkg -r
[17:27] <manshoon_> doesnt work
[17:28] <penguin42> did it perhaps produce something telling you why?
[17:28] <xguru> who wants a good laugh?  Im on Karmic and i did sudo apt-get upgrade instead of update.  Now when i got to the update manager its gives me errors.  I think the update manager is trying to do a distro upgrade...
[17:28] <manshoon_> yes. I aready posted it in a paste-bin
[17:29] <manshoon_> here, Ill do another one with dpkg
[17:29] <penguin42> xguru: That's ok, the update manager can do distro upgrades
[17:29] <skath> manshoon_, I would just run "sudo touch /boot/grub/menu.lst" and run the apt-get remove again
[17:29] <manshoon_> http://pastebin.com/m715aa4a5
[17:30] <manshoon_> sweet, it worked
[17:30] <manshoon_> thanks!
[17:30] <xguru> penguin42: its says "not all updates can be installed.  Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible."  there i click "partial upgrade"
[17:30] <manshoon_> Why is the grub system so different with karmic? whats the difference between grub and grub-pc?
[17:31] <bjsnider> karmic uses grub2
[17:31] <skath> manshoon_, you probably want to "sudo rm /boot/grub/menu.lst" afterward to put things back the way they were too
[17:31] <manshoon_> I dont even get the grub menu when my system is turned on. nor do I get the loading bars
[17:31] <xguru> then it gives an error of "unable to get exclusive lock" "this usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) already running.  Please close that application first."   nothing is running and rebooted
[17:31] <SKB> is grub2 any faster than it's predecessor?
[17:32] <skath> You've got to hold a shift key while booting to get the grub menu in Karmic
[17:32] <skath> Which I think is better than waiting X seconds in case you want to hit ESC
[17:33] <manshoon_> how do you get nice boot loading text? It used to be really nice in gentoo with the kernel messages formatted into a backsplash
[17:33] <manshoon_> thats what I was trying to do before I broke my system. :)
[17:34] <xguru> penguin42: any ideas?
[17:35] <penguin42> xguru: ps -eaf|Grep dpkg   to see if there is a dpkg running? When you did an apt-get upgrade accidentally did you ctrl-c it?
[17:35] <joaopinto> how to force the vesa driver to be used ?
[17:35] <xguru> no the process was deferred
[17:36] <HoellP> hey...
[17:36] <HoellP> is there a known issue with usplash i'm missing?
[17:36] <juergen> dpkg is deinstalled after last du
[17:37] <Whitor> Hi. I'm trying to move from one computer to another and I'm copying files from the old system to the new one ... When I drag a folder into /var/lib/ It tells me I do not have permission to write to this directory... I don't want to run nautilus as root every time I need to copy a file into a protected area. I would like the system to prompt me for password when I try and do these copies; rather than just bagging the process.  Is this (
[17:37] <Whitor> can we) include this in Karmic?
[17:37] <HoellP> it displays properly on boot, but the switch from usplash to xsplash doesn't work
[17:37] <joaopinto> Whitor, it's too late for a feature request
[17:37] <HoellP> if i deactivate the splash the boot works fine
[17:38] <Whitor> ok.. how about in lucid lynx ?
[17:38] <penguin42> Whitor: Since it's really a gnome feature I'd try adding a wishlist item into the gnome bugzilla
[17:38] <Whitor> penguin42, good idea, thanks
[17:39] <penguin42> Whitor: Now there's tons of stuff in there so whether that one happens or not, well who knows
[17:41] <Whitor> heh, yeah... but I'd like to get this request heard. it seems like a feature that should be available... perhaps not by default, but by turning it on somewhere.
[17:41] <penguin42> Whitor: You could try asking nicely on one of the nautilus dev mailing lists
[17:41] <Whitor> hate to say it ... but kind of like how ms handles writing to protected areas ... asks you for admin pass then does the copy
[17:42] <joaopinto> uff, i'll just remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:42] <Whitor> I always ask nicely :)
[17:42] <Whitor> or I try to anyway
[17:43] <jbicha> ok, now I've tried from 3 different computers & it always freezes while trying to boot X, how do I even file this bug?
[17:43] <jbicha> & why is no one else reporting this issue yet?
[17:45] <penguin42> jbicha: It's unusual for 3 different machines
[17:45] <penguin42> jbicha: Do you have a version of ubuntu that you can boot on those machines?
[17:45] <jbicha> yes, 9.04
[17:46] <jbicha> I haven't tried burning a CD of the latest 9.10 yet, maybe I should
[17:46]  * penguin42 wonders what the right way to do this is now that there is a preference to use ubuntu-bug
[17:46] <Grufle> using unetbootin on the alpha6 image didn't work either
[17:46] <Grufle> just goes straight to my normal grub menu
[17:47] <penguin42> jbicha: OK I'm not sure if this is right, but from your 9.04 installation I'd run ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel   and then explain the problem putting a big hairy note right at the top that the problem is on the karmic alpha and not the one you are reporting from
[17:47] <penguin42> jbicha: That way it should pick up a load of logs from the working machine
[17:48] <jbicha> yeah, I wasn't sure how to collect logs since the system always crashes before loading the desktop or a usable virtual terminal
[17:50] <penguin42> yeh I'm not sure if there is a better way
[17:58] <tgpraveen1> anyone here mind sharing their desktop screenshot with me . am still on jaunty and want to see how that new
[17:58] <tgpraveen1> notification area with monochrome icons
[17:58] <tgpraveen1> look
[17:59] <tgpraveen1> so someone with many icons in notification areas will please sharea screenshot?
[17:59] <jbicha> tgpraveen1: try http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Final-Artwork-of-Ubuntu-9-10-122665.shtml
[18:00] <jbicha> those are the only monochrome icons, everything else is normal, full color
[18:01] <joaopinto> grr, removing -intel rendered my system unusable :\
[18:01] <tgpraveen1> jbicha: ok thanks for that link
[18:14] <simontol> Hi on Kubuntu Karmic...how do I configure the printer???
[18:15] <yofel> simontol: what printer do you have?
[18:15] <simontol> usb printer epson rx500
[18:15] <simontol> it works well on jaunty
[18:16] <penguin42> simontol: connect it, switch it on and go to system->admin->printers and hit new
[18:17] <simontol> penguin42 : KDE here...
[18:17] <penguin42> simontol: Ah I've not done the KDE equivalent for ages - but it should be about the same, on the KDE control panel there's a printer admin isn't there?
[18:18] <mbeierl> I log in to my karmic box as a (likewise open) Windows Domain authenticated user with administrative privileges.  However, when I attempt to do something that requires admin privileges, it prompts me for the password of the user I created when I installed Karmic, not my current sudo-permitted user.  Is this normal?
[18:18] <simontol> penguin42: there is a tool for configuring printers, but when i click on new printer only get "network printer" and "new class"
[18:18] <simontol> no local printer here
[18:19] <penguin42> simontol: Oh, erm that sounds wrong
[18:19] <simontol> penguin42: even in cups admin tool I can't see the local printer
[18:21] <DanaG> dialog box layout fail: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Applying%20changes-1.png
[18:21] <hrickards> Apologies if this is an obvious question, but how do you enter the recovery mode in 9.10?
[18:21] <robin0800> hrickards: shift key
[18:21] <nemo> question. I ran into a bug w/ awk that prompted me to install gawk
[18:22] <nemo> er. w/ mawk
[18:22] <nemo> since I don't need two awk programs, I wanted to remove mawk
[18:22] <hrickards> robin0800: THANKS
[18:22] <nemo> but for some reason it said it needed to remove ubuntu-minimal too
[18:22] <nemo> 1) is this a bad thing?
[18:22] <penguin42> nemo: Yes
[18:22] <nemo> 2) if yes to (1) is there a way to tell it that gawk provides same thing as mawk, but better?
[18:23] <penguin42> nemo: both the mawk and gawk packages have a provide tag of 'awk'
[18:23] <nemo> hm
[18:23] <nemo> well. I just installed gawk
[18:23] <penguin42> nemo: Thus if the ubuntu-minimal really only needed any old awk then it could just have a depend on awk
[18:23] <nemo> maybe it will let me remove mawk once gawk is installed
[18:24] <nemo> perhaps it was doing both at once that was the problem
[18:24] <nemo> nope. still flags it
[18:24] <nemo> bugger
[18:24] <penguin42> nemo: No, ubuntu-minimal actually has a dependency on mawk so wants it explicitly
[18:24] <nemo> how odd
[18:24] <nemo> mawk tends to work worse
[18:24] <nemo> for example, it blew up on ^@ in input that I was processing
[18:24] <nemo> completely choked
[18:25] <nemo> oh well. guess I need to use alternatives or explicitly call gawk
[18:25] <nemo> bah
[18:26] <simontol> the "really" strange thing is that ob Ubuntu Karmic (GNOME) my printer was auto-configured and on Kubuntu Karmic it doesn't see it at all
[18:26] <penguin42> nemo: I'm guessing maybe ubuntu-minimal knows of some stuff that explicitly uses mawk
[18:26] <penguin42> simontol: Is your karmic up to date?
[18:26] <simontol> penguin42: yes
[18:26] <nemo> penguin42: or else someone just likes mawk better :)
[18:26] <penguin42> nod
[18:27] <penguin42> simontol: I just remember someone mentioning problems with printers but that was a few weeks back - and i haven't got a local one connected to try
[18:30] <spooky_d> I have installed Ubuntu Karmic and now when I try to boot my other OS (Win) I get "cannot get c/h/s values". I am now unable to boot at all Windows.
[18:30] <spooky_d> What can I do?
[18:30] <spooky_d> Is there a way I can fix grub?
[18:30] <rsk> spooky_d: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6#Known%20issues
[18:31] <rsk> spooky_d: update and reboot should fix it.
[18:31] <spooky_d> Hmmm... I will try that.
[18:31] <rsk> might not be it thou, because that's detecting windows. not failing booting it
[18:32] <spooky_d> First of all, the partition is wrong
[18:32] <spooky_d> Win7 made two partitions
[18:33] <spooky_d> and and Ubu set the first, not the second one.
[18:33] <spooky_d> The second one is the bigger one.
[18:33] <spooky_d> anyways, I don't see this in the known issues list.
[18:33] <spooky_d> maybe it's something that is different in my problem here.
[18:33] <spooky_d> Is there a way to remove grub and restore the MBR without the installation disk for Windows?
[18:34] <bullgard> dmesg reports on a newly bought T43: "ahci: probe of 0000:00:1f.2 failed with error -22". What does that mean?
[18:36] <penguin42> bullgard: the 0000:00:1f.2 would be a part of one of the PCI devices probably on your bridge chip; ahci is the api for one of the serial-ATA standards - why it failed is an interesting question
[18:36] <nemo> spooky_d: hey
[18:36] <nemo> spooky_d: boot into windows from grub
[18:37] <diverse_izzue> what's the best channel to ask about general deb-packaging related questions?
[18:37] <nemo> spooky_d: there is a program to restore a windows MBR
[18:37] <nemo> digging it up from my windows desktop now
[18:37] <penguin42> diverse_izzue: I'm not sure but you could try #ubuntu-motu they're all the guys who do the packages in universe
[18:37] <spooky_d> nemo: I'm unable to boot windows.
[18:37] <penguin42> diverse_izzue: but perhaps one of the -dev ones might be more appropriate
[18:38] <nemo> spooky_d: ?? just do chain load?
[18:38] <nemo> spooky_d: your windows partition is still there right?
[18:38] <diverse_izzue> penguin42, thx, will try
[18:38] <spooky_d> See above - I get the "cannot get c/h/s values"
[18:38] <nemo> spooky_d: oh. if you don't see an entry in grub, make sure Karmic is up to date
[18:38] <nemo> oh
[18:38] <spooky_d> nemo: yes - mounted by hand
[18:38] <spooky_d> And it's there.
[18:38] <DanaG> handy tip: edit /etc/default/grub: make it default SAVED
[18:38] <nemo> spooky_d: never heard of this error before - on a windows blue screen or in the windows boot loader?
[18:38] <nemo> spooky_d: also. what version of windows?
[18:39] <spooky_d> grub message; windows 7
[18:39] <nemo> ah. totally and completely unfamiliar w/ windows 7...
[18:39] <nemo> is that even out yet??
[18:39] <spooky_d> yeah, RTM is out.
[18:40] <nemo> spooky_d: hm. googling says something about LBA and buggy bios
[18:40] <spooky_d> It seems I will continue to be completely unfamiliar w/ windows 7 as well.
[18:40] <nemo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:40] <nemo> spooky_d: buggy bios seems like interesting keyword - could try bios update?
[18:41] <nemo> spooky_d: anyway, assuming you can boot into windows can use MbrFix.exe to restore an MBR - might want to back up grub first of course, just in case you change your mind
[18:41] <nemo> spooky_d: and of course there's WinPE
[18:41] <spooky_d> Nope, won't risk it.
[18:41] <spooky_d> WinPE?
[18:41]  * nemo shrugs
[18:41] <nemo> google it
[18:42] <spooky_d> aha
[18:42] <spooky_d> maybe.
[18:43] <spooky_d> Or I can wait until tomorrow when I get the install disk
[18:43] <nemo> I have a winpe image, but can't share it with you due to license restrictions
[18:43] <spooky_d> and in the mean time upgrade to the latest versions of everything.
[18:43] <spooky_d> nemo: worry not - for the time being I think I can manage it.
[18:43] <spooky_d> as long as my partitions are accessible, I'm ok.
[18:44] <simontol> anyone here who knows how to stop/start cupsys with upstart commands?
[18:45] <penguin42> simontol: stop cups   ?
[18:46] <simontol> penguin42 : stop: Unknown job: cups
[18:46] <simontol> same with start
[18:46] <penguin42> simontol: Hmm yes - I think I would just do /etc/init.d/cups stop
[18:50] <nemo> spooky_d: now what you *should* have done was backed up your mbr ;)
[18:50] <nemo> spooky_d: also. seems checking for a bios update could be harmless :)
[18:50] <nemo> if it fixes the error that would be good to know
[18:50] <nemo> spooky_d: you could report it in the ubuntu compatibility database
[18:51] <ptarrant> Question: aside from the super creamy grub 2 is there any reason yall would recommend installing Karmic clean vs an upgrade from jaunty?
[18:53] <penguin42> ptarrant: Personally I upgrade but I know I do get a few more quirks of things that aren't quite clean from old installs
[18:53] <legend2440> ptarrant: other reason i know of is that clean install gives full benefits of ext 4 whereas converting to ext4 from ext3 doesn't
[18:53] <nemo> legend2440: wellll
[18:53] <ptarrant> legend: I installed jaunty with ext4
[18:53] <nemo> legend2440: that'll apply over time anyway
[18:53] <nemo> legend2440: as packages get rotated, which happens a lot with karmic
[18:53] <legend2440> nemo: ok
[18:54] <ptarrant> penguin42: thanks
[18:54] <ptarrant> I think I'll backup my data, try an upgrade, and see how it goes, worse case, everything is on my file server anyway :)
[18:55] <spooky_d> nemo: I installed it from my install disk :)
[18:55] <ptarrant> thanks for the input guys
[18:58] <bullgard> penguin42: I found out that this error message has been reported 500 times on different machines and different Linux distributions, I even found a hit to another UNIX derivative. But I only found this as a part of dmesg output. I did not find an explanation for it. It is frustrationg to see so many citations but no explicit discussion.
[18:59] <penguin42> bullgard: It depends whether it's actually causing you a problem or if it's just a piece of debug - is your disc working?
[18:59] <legend2440> i still use jaunty. going to upgrade in Oct. however, i use partimage  for backups and partimage doesnt work with ext4. what is another good way to backup that supports ext4?
[18:59] <zicada> anyone know if the edgers ppa enables 3d and KMS for r700 cards ?
[19:00] <zicada> or anyone had any luck getting it to work on r600/700 ?
[19:00] <spooky_d> I'll just reboot and see what happens.
[19:00] <spooky_d> wish me luck :)
[19:02] <bullgard> penguin42: I do not own this computer a long time. Two times I noticed that this computer would not start up after a first BIOS message. I need to observe that longer. The re-seller built in a hard disk of larger capacity than the original one but the new disk "is not complying to the IBM specifications for this computer".
[19:03] <wekt> zicada: koala ships with KMS enabled by default
[19:03] <penguin42> bullgard: Is that the text of the error printed by the BIOS?
[19:03] <wekt> zicada: but i don't know if r700 is a special case
[19:03] <del_diablo> anybody but me got error when attempting to upgrade?
[19:03] <bullgard> penguin42: Yes, one of them
[19:04] <penguin42> bullgard: I have seen that before, I can't remember the reason - I'm sure it'll google because I saw it a few years ago
[19:04] <zicada> wekt: yeah it seems like its only up to r500
[19:04] <del_diablo> anybody here who uses get-deb repos that have had trouble with upgrading to alpah 5?
[19:04] <spooky_d> nemo: no luck
[19:04] <spooky_d> still the same error.
[19:04] <bullgard> penguin42: Yes, some occurrences of this error message are 2 years old,
[19:07] <nemo> spooky_d: w/ new bios? :-/
[19:07] <nemo> spooky_d: was it a big version jump?
[19:08] <spooky_d> no new bios.
[19:08] <spooky_d> the laptop is rather new.
[19:08] <spooky_d> No big version jump
[19:09] <spooky_d> can I try to use grub 1 instead of grub2?
[19:11] <del_diablo> spooky_d: what laptop do you have?
[19:13] <mjbrooks>  spooky_d you looking to install the windows MBR?
[19:14] <mjbrooks> spooky_d, to install the windows MBR with XP you boot to the XP install disk, choose "R" to go to the "Recovery Console" and type "fixboot"
[19:14] <nemo> spooky_d: that bug that popped up on google seems pretty new too. maybe it is a new bios bug
[19:14] <nemo> spooky_d: could explain you getting caught out
[19:14] <nemo> mjbrooks: he's missing the disc ;)
[19:15] <mjbrooks> D'Oh
[19:15] <nemo> mjbrooks: was trying to boot to the windows partition anyway where he could run mbrfix or similar
[19:15] <nemo> spooky_d: hmmm. maybe you could access the partition if booting off CD...
[19:15] <nemo> do a chainload from jaunty CD maybe
[19:16] <mjbrooks> nemo, there are recovery liveCDs available I believe to do that
[19:16] <nemo> spooky_d: and. yeah. what laptop / bios?
[19:16] <nemo> mjbrooks: I suggested WinPE too ;)
[19:16] <mjbrooks> nemo, linux based even ;)
[19:16] <nemo> mjbrooks: trouble is, that requires license
[19:16] <nemo> oh. linux based? huh.
[19:16] <nemo> that's news to me
[19:16] <mjbrooks> nemo, yeah, there are a few around
[19:17] <nemo> well. link the poor man to one already :)
[19:17] <mjbrooks> nemo looking.... I forget their names ;)
[19:18] <mjbrooks> nemo, meh, never mind,,,, he can do it from his install
[19:19] <nemo> assuming he can boot to his install
[19:19] <mjbrooks> spooky_d, sudo apt-get install ms-sys
[19:19] <spooky_d> nemo: Dell E6500 - Bios A013
[19:19] <mjbrooks> spooky_d, then ms-sys --mbr /dev/hdX where hdX is your windows hard drive
[19:19] <spooky_d> mjbrooks: what would that do?
[19:20] <mjbrooks> spooky_d, recover your window mbr
[19:20] <mjbrooks> windows
[19:20] <spooky_d> The ms-sys package is not found.
[19:20] <mjbrooks> hmmm
[19:20] <nemo> spooky_d: hm. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing  indeed did not test dual boot :)
[19:20] <nemo> spooky_d: should let them know maybe :)
[19:20] <nemo> maybe file a bug
[19:21] <gastly> alright, just a quick question, does the new gdm in karmic has theme support? coz I don't see any option to change themes anywhere.
[19:21] <mac_v> gastly: nope :)
[19:21] <mac_v> quick ans ;p
[19:21] <gastly> lol
[19:21] <nemo> ugh
[19:21] <gastly> thnx :)
[19:21] <nemo> mac_v: serious?
[19:23] <mac_v> nemo: yes , why would i joke ;) .. the gdm options itself werent available , Canonical guys did that work... this version of gdm was upstream for nearly 1yr and not used because it lacks options :?
[19:24] <del_diablo> Has anybody here managed to upgrade to karmic from 9.04 when having the get-deb repos? The upgrade failed for me, and it broke my system .....
[19:24] <nemo> mac_v: oh well. I'll manage :)
[19:25] <gastly> I think I'll switch to kdm till gdm gets support for themes :p
[19:25] <mjbrooks> spooky_d, http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[19:31] <bullgard> dmesg reports: "render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010". What does that mean? Is this a serious bug, or can I neglect it?
[19:35] <Martyn> Still getting some failures on Ubuntu One, unfortunately.
[19:35] <mbeierl> What is ubuntu one?
[19:35] <Martyn> Remote backup and storage, provided by Ubuntu
[19:35]  * mbeierl admits he hasn't been follow that ...
[19:35] <maco> mbeierl: like dropbox, but only for ubuntu
[19:35] <Martyn> It's part of Karmic
[19:36] <mbeierl> kewel, thanks!
[19:38] <del_diablo> Do anybody here use the getdeb repos?(no i am not asking if i can upgrade with them on).
[19:39] <peppot> anyone else on karmic and seeing bad wireless (iwlagn) performance? solutions? wireless n is topping out at 14mbit/s receive! about 30% of the performance I had with 9.04 (2.6.28)!
[19:39] <lemonade> i having atleast worse performance than with windows
[19:39] <lemonade> don't remember if it was better with 9.04
[19:40] <mbeierl> del_diablo: only for things I can't get normally (like f-spot 0.6 for jaunty)
[19:40] <del_diablo> peppot: there is a line in iwconfig you could add, don't  remember it on the top of my head(it is suppose to force it to go on max performance)
[19:41] <del_diablo> mbeierl: did you add it after installing karmic or did you have it before you upgraded it?
[19:41] <mbeierl> del_diablo: still use it but only on my jaunty system - did not use on karmic, sorry
[19:41] <peppot> del_diablo, a switch to go from 14mbit/s to the ~60mbit/s I used to have?
[19:42] <del_diablo> peppot: well, i guess that the bad line is related to bad performance. So then i guess forcing the card to work at its best no matter what, might solve it.
[19:43] <peppot> del_diablo, might it have been the rts switch?
[19:43] <del_diablo> peppot: i would not know. I am only guessing
[19:51] <bullgard> Teatime does not produce a sound at the end. Is this a known bug?
[19:54] <juliux> hi
[19:55] <juliux> i have a CX23880 dvb-t card and the card was working fine with all ubuntu versions until karmic comes, does somebody know what to do?
[19:55] <penguin42> juliux: Since it sounds like a driver bug I'd say file a bug against the linux kernel
[19:57] <juliux> penguin42: the card is dected an i get a dvb0.demux0 device but i can't use it
[19:58] <Adapter> ?is there a bug in cups my epson goes not lsusb tell me epson cups not
[19:58] <penguin42> jullux: I've never used dvb-t cards so I don't know any more - but maybe in that case it's more general
[20:12] <der_schreiner> hello
[20:12] <bucky> olleh
[20:12] <der_schreiner> am i the only one who can't start the new Ubuntu Software Center?
[20:13] <der_schreiner> I hope its like the appstore or the android market
[20:14] <dwatkins> I hope not, they cost money ;-)
[20:14] <der_schreiner> if theres comercial software you have to pay, but i hope you will have the choice
[20:15] <der_schreiner> so if you dlike to use a commercial app or you need to you have a nice way to install it
[20:15] <Pici> Its the replacement for add/remove, so most of the software is free. I don't know if there are any commercial applications in there currently.
[20:15] <der_schreiner> thx
[20:15] <dwatkins> I imagine commercial applications exist which have their own repositories.
[20:16] <der_schreiner> me 2
[20:18] <blueglasses> hi
[20:18] <blueglasses>  what is port 59434 and why do I get a login window for this port on karmic?
[20:20] <bucky> blueglasses, tightvnc
[20:21] <bucky> btw, you got an extra '4' in that number
[20:24] <blueglasses> nope
[20:24] <blueglasses> tcp        0      0 localhost:59434         *:*
[20:32] <mbeierl> blueglasses: sudo netstat -napt
[20:32] <mbeierl> blueglasses: that will show what process is binding to the port
[20:42] <blueglasses> i did a lsof -i:59434
[20:43] <blueglasses> it says its beam.smp anyone knows what this is?
[20:44] <Pici> blueglasses: looks to be part of the erlang-base package
[20:44] <blueglasses> !info erlang-base
[20:46] <blueglasses> how do i find out which programs depend of erlang-base?
[20:47] <Pici> apt-cache rdepends erlang-base
[20:49] <blueglasses> !info gvfsd
[20:49] <blueglasses> !info gvfsd-http
[20:50] <blueglasses> !info heart
[20:51] <Pici> blueglasses: Use apt-cache show packagename   in you karmic install
[20:54] <lassegul> hi guys. both gnome-system-monitor, top, htop and vmstat reports CPU use of about 44 percent, but neither of them shows the process actually eating up CPU. other tasks total to about 20 percent maybe.
[20:55] <Nattgew> lassegul: maybe run "sudo top"?
[20:55] <lassegul> Nattgew: that would have been embarrasing if i hadnt tried it :)
[20:55] <lassegul> Nattgew: still nothing
[20:57] <lassegul> when i hover the mouse over the desktop background (not over active applications) it shows the loading circle. i dunno if that gives a clue
[20:57] <Nattgew> that's interesting... is this just now or ongoing?
[20:58] <lassegul> this is after a dist-upgrade, ill post the "sudo top"
[20:58] <lassegul> ongoing also after reboot.
[20:58] <Nattgew> do you get your background picture and icons on the desktop?
[20:58] <lassegul> Nattgew: yeah, sure i get the background picture. i dont display icons,
[20:59] <lassegul> by personal preference that is.
[20:59] <lassegul> http://pastebin.com/m370e015d
[21:00] <Nattgew> 7 + 7 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 12 = 50
[21:01] <lassegul> Nattgew: well.. *g*
[21:01] <Nattgew> that still leaves like 10% out... could be more small stuff
[21:02] <Nattgew> the loading circle thing is odd, though
[21:02] <lassegul> Nattgew: but still, it has never used 50 percent of both cores, clocked to 3.0ghz, before.
[21:02] <lassegul> idling!
[21:03] <ewer> so... it seems I'm using an erlang program called heart... cant say wats it for... any clues?
[21:05] <ewer> its not referenced on the package system, and it acts as a http server and listens for connections
[21:05] <lassegul> Nattgew: you do agree that the system currently eats too much CPU though?
[21:05] <Nattgew> lassegul: actually... I just realized... at the top it shows % of both cores, but the list is % of one core
[21:06] <Nattgew> so the top would add to 100% and the bottom would add to 200%
[21:06] <Nattgew> so yeah, I think that's way too much for idle, and it also seems to not add up
[21:07] <guntbert> lassegul: I regard the "load" unusually high, too
[21:08] <lassegul> what can i do to properly troubleshoot htis?
[21:09] <dwatkins> lassegul: bear in mind that the system load (what uptime and xload show) is not the same as the load on the CPU
[21:09] <lassegul> i understand
[21:09] <dwatkins> have you looked into CSA?
[21:10] <dwatkins> oh wait, that doesn't exxist on Ubuntu, ignore me
[21:10] <lassegul> ;)
[21:10] <dwatkins> there is "sar" though
[21:10] <dwatkins> System Activity Reporter
[21:11] <lassegul> part of the sysstat pacakge i presume
[21:13] <lassegul> dwatkins: sar really doesnt show that much
[21:13] <dwatkins> lassegul: there are all sorts of options to sar
[21:13] <dwatkins> start with: sar -p 5 5
[21:14] <dwatkins> that'll show you in what way the system is busy
[21:14] <dwatkins> then read the (rather long) manpage
[21:15] <lassegul> all it says is that user takes up 40%, system 15%, and idle ~40%
[21:15] <dwatkins> ok, so your user processes are taking 40% of CPU
[21:15] <dwatkins> I gather top shows something different, lassegul
[21:16] <lassegul> dwatkins: no, it does not.
[21:16] <lassegul> dwatkins: it shows the same
[21:16] <dwatkins> oh ok, so that explains the 40%
[21:16] <dwatkins> what was the question again?
[21:17] <lassegul> dwatkins: 40% is way too much for idle and it, this is an intel core 2 duo clocked to 3ghz, and there is no one sinfull application it seems, they just all eat more cpu than normal
[21:18] <lassegul> lol i see whats going on.
[21:18] <dwatkins> oh yes?
[21:18] <lassegul> its still loading some icons.
[21:18] <dwatkins> aha
[21:19] <dwatkins> linux saves an otherwise disastrous or confusing day
[21:22] <lassegul> no, i dont know, that might be another bug. setting gnome to use icon theme gnome-noble instead of gnome-brave leavs the same icons in the menues, missing the icon for - lock screen - logout, bookmarks, and lots of other things
[21:22] <Kaj-Laptop> still trying to get wicd /belkin USB adapter wifi to work on the desktop as it did in previous incarnations of karmic , but now the devs have left it ehind in the dust .
[21:23] <DanaG> dialog box layout fail: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Applying%20changes-1.png
[21:24] <dwatkins> I do sometimes  wonder if dialog boxes could be automatically generated from a .<application>rc XML file
[21:24] <dwatkins> or just generated automaticallyy
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:27] <Kaj-Laptop> yaya :0
[21:29]  * ActionParsnip rides in on his raisin flavor horse
[21:29] <Kaj-Laptop> <--relaxing , but not happy with the devs and their negligence over broken wicd on usb wifi adapter
[21:30] <Kaj-Laptop> dunno why they cant leave wconf etc alone
[21:34] <fccf> !info php5
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> fccf: i wouldnt mix karmic debs in jaunty
[21:35] <KnifeySpooney> quick question - is there a way to check which alpha version of karmic i'm using?
[21:35] <fccf> ActionParsnip: I was seeing what version of PHP runs in karmic, wasn't planning to mix anything
[21:35] <dwatkins> KnifeySpooney: lsb_release -a
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> fccf: good. many do and come unstuck
[21:35] <maco> KnifeySpooney: are you up to date? if so alpha 6
[21:35] <maco> itll be beta in a few days
[21:36] <KnifeySpooney> Yeah, i checked for updates a few minutes ago and installed about 20 packages
[21:36] <KnifeySpooney> maybe 3 days ago i upgraded to karmic with 'update-manager -d', that should get me alpha6 right?
[21:38] <Nattgew> KnifeySpooney: yes
[21:38] <KnifeySpooney> ok, thanks
[21:52] <lassegul> dwatkins: so with xfce i get 0.4% cpu load when idle.
[21:52] <lassegul> dwatkins: a bit too drastic difference for my taste.
[21:52] <dwatkins> wow, yeah
[21:53] <dwatkins> that sounds like a problem to me, lassegul
[21:53] <lassegul> from 40%
[21:53] <lassegul> sure is. nice surprise to see the xfce guys doing a splendid job though, it looks good,.
[21:53] <lassegul> just like gnome :D
[21:54] <amortvigil> hello are there macusers here?
[21:54] <amortvigil> i installed karmic on macbook (pro) 5.1 but i cant seem to boot it
[21:54] <rsk> what's the error
[21:54] <amortvigil> none
[21:55] <amortvigil> refit just wont boot
[21:55] <rsk> hm intel or ppc pcu?
[21:55] <amortvigil> hai iemand hier een macbook?
[21:55] <rsk> :E
[21:56] <amortvigil> rsk: sorry wrong chanle
[21:56] <amortvigil> intel
[21:56] <amortvigil> rsk: i think i know my error
[21:56] <rsk> ok show us if possible
[21:56] <amortvigil> i installed grub on my root partition
[21:57] <amortvigil> thats wrong isnt it./
[21:57] <amortvigil> ?
[21:57] <genii> amortvigil: You mean like sda1 or sdb1   or something ninstead of just sda or sdb ?
[21:58] <amortvigil> geni i installed grub2 on sda3
[21:58] <amortvigil> wich is my linux root partition
[21:59] <genii> Yes, thats no good. But the good news is you can still use a livecd, run fdisk and change the partition type manually to 82, then install grub again, nthis time to the proper area
[22:00] <amortvigil> genii: so i must install it on an efi partition?
[22:01] <genii> amortvigil: If you're using efi, I'm not certain. On a regular i386 system you put it on the main MBR
[22:01] <genii> (eg sda usually)
[22:01] <amortvigil> genii: its a mac i use refit
[22:02] <genii> !info grub-efi
[22:02] <genii> Hm
[22:02] <amortvigil> genii: this means i need to download a grub?
[22:03] <aftertaf> hey....  :)anone know how to fix the k3b bug in the 1.66 alpha, dependency issue in karmic
[22:03] <genii> amortvigil: Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with the efi /refit boot to recommend a course of action. You might find someone in #ubuntu-powerpc that has a better idea
[22:04] <amortvigil> ty genii
[22:11] <bwallum> Is this a channel to discuss possible bugs prior to filing?
[22:11] <yofel> bwallum: welcome :)
[22:11] <bwallum> :)I've just chatted to your twin
[22:12] <yofel> bwallum: not my twin, me :P
[22:12] <bwallum> so, have I found the right channel now?
[22:12] <yofel> well, this channel is for discussing anything karmic related
[22:14] <hggdh> heh
[22:17] <BUGabundo> boas noist :)
[22:19] <Kaj-Laptop> BUGabundo, which means ...?
[22:19] <KnifeySpooney> Hey, I installed xsplash to try out the new bootsplash. Looks great, but i'm not sure if it's working 100% right. It first shows the old white Ubuntu logo splash, then it loads the new artistic boot splash, then goes to GDM for automatic logging in, then goes back to the new splash, then I'm logged in. Is this right?
[22:20] <rsk> KnifeySpooney: that's what happens to me too.
[22:20] <rsk> and i agree, it dosen't seem right :)
[22:20] <KnifeySpooney> Yeah
[22:20] <test34> my update-manager crashed in the middle of updates, should I do something specific to avoid my system to brake ?
[22:20] <KnifeySpooney> I thought maybe i had to uninstall something
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Kaj-Laptop: hi, means guud evening :p
[22:21] <hggdh> Kaj-Laptop: means something like "goods eneveisng"(yes, wrong)
[22:21] <Kaj-Laptop> KnifeySpooney,looks to me like an interim fix for the kernel modules they botched up a few days back
[22:22] <KnifeySpooney> So do you think this will be fixed for the finalrelease?
[22:22] <Kaj-Laptop> ok BUGabundo , hggdh , good evening to you too :)
[22:22] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:22] <hggdh> :-)
[22:23] <Kaj-Laptop> KnifeySpooney, gawd i hope so
[22:23] <BUGabundo> hggdh: ;)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> typo my friend
[22:23] <hggdh> BUGabundo: I thought you were in a quest to teach bad Portuguese to all ;-)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> true
[22:23] <BUGabundo> but now its time to go watch startrek
[22:24] <BUGabundo> cu later
[22:24] <Kaj-Laptop> BUGabundo, a trekkie !
[22:26] <KnifeySpooney> I'm glad I updated my kernel -- i was using 2.6.28-15-generic, had a few problems and a slower startup, then updated to 2.6.31-11-generic and everything's fine
[22:26] <BUGabundo> a geek :)
[22:27] <Kaj-Laptop> trekkies and geeks are very closely related :)
[22:28] <Nattgew> KnifeySpooney: boot time in karmic has been great, at least for me
[22:29] <KnifeySpooney> Nattgew: Seems about the same for me. I get into X sooner but I get to the workable desktop at roughly the same amount of time
[22:29] <Nattgew> KnifeySpooney: yeah, after I login it takes gnome and nautilus a while to load
[22:30] <Nattgew> I wonder if there's a way to make that faster?
[22:32]  * Nattgew is installing LXDE...
[22:33] <bwallum> Nattgew: are you on ubuntu-desktop 1.171?
[22:33] <Nattgew> yes
[22:34] <Nattgew> I don't have that installed... I removed some of the dependencies...
[22:34] <bwallum> Nattgew: Ok, just a thought, it sped up a bit for me when I made the upgrade
[22:35] <bwallum> Nattgew: could you reinstall it?
[22:35] <Nattgew> I guess...
[22:35] <bwallum> Nattgew: might be worth a shot
[22:35] <Nattgew> Need to get 80.8MB of archives. After unpacking 402MB will be used.
[22:36] <Nattgew> 111 packages
[22:36] <bwallum> crikey
[22:36] <Nattgew> I think I'll pass on that one
[22:52] <Freak_NL> Does anyone else use the DarkRoom theme?
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> Freak_NL: i use gnomeXP to be ironic
[23:29] <alokito> i can't see thumbnail preview of images in nautilus
[23:30] <alokito> preview is on in nautilus preferences but still can't see them
[23:31] <alokito> hello?
[23:32] <DanaG_> mm, build fail: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32-rc1/BUILD.LOG
[23:33] <XDevHald> Anyone got the fix on this error: Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox-3.5
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> XDevHald: yes, but its not affecting anything at all so I dont care
[23:35] <Kaj-Laptop> XDevHald, that's a common pron
[23:35] <peol> Anyone else got severe problems with VLC and Totem? I can't find the +1 forum on ubuntuforums (am I just blind?)
[23:35] <XDevHald> Thanks guys.
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> XDevHald: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/435285
[23:36] <Kaj-Laptop> vlc seems ok, totem is flaky
[23:36] <XDevHald> Figured it was a low priority
[23:37] <XDevHald> Also, the boot splash does not load but the shutdown splash will. Any news on this?
[23:37] <yofel> peol: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=359 ;)
[23:37] <yofel> vlc and mplayer work fine here though
[23:37] <peol> yofel: Thanks :)
[23:38] <peol> Totem seems to hang and can't find codecs
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> XDevHald: i'm the other way round
[23:38] <peol> VLC is just broken, audio works but no video, I'll try play around with ffmpeg
[23:41] <Nattgew> peol: I have problems with Totem hanging... mostly when I try to close it
[23:41] <peol> Yeah, same here
[23:42] <Nattgew> I think the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/421318
[23:51] <sagensand> I got a blue Universal Access in the notification area. Did I accidently put up there or is that part of a update?
[23:53] <peol> Nattgew: apt-cache policy vlc - what version do you have installed?
[23:53] <Nattgew> peol: I don't have vlc... just totem
[23:53] <peol> Oh, I was meaning to poke yofel, sorry :)