[00:00] <owh> Just for fun, I'm not going to have to install X just to compile/run/install vmware-tools am I?
[00:00]  * kgoetz shrug - whats its build deps? :PO
[00:03] <kgoetz> afk. company meeting
[00:03] <owh> Have fun.
[00:51] <kgoetz> hm. company shouting lunch today. i'm on a roll :O
[01:08] <owh> kgoetz: My company shouts me lunch, dinner and breakfast every day.
[01:08] <kgoetz> i'm a contractor, so its good ;)
[01:08] <owh> kgoetz: I wasn't bragging, my company == me :)
[01:09] <kgoetz> owh: hehe :)
[01:10] <owh> kgoetz: Now all I need to do is figure out how to make it an expense :)
[01:11] <kgoetz> *grin* 'ongoing maintainance' ;)
[01:12] <owh> ROTFL
[01:12] <owh> Thanks, I needed that.
[01:13] <kgoetz> its free :p
[01:14] <thomas_newbie__> hey guys :)
[01:15] <owh> Where do I find a single paragraph description of a "valid debian policy compliant version number" so checkinstall will allow me to create a package - I'd like it to reflect reality. The actual version for the code is "1.0.4 build-56528"
[01:15] <kgoetz> thomas_newbie__: hey there :)
[01:15] <owh> Alternatively, how do I mangle that version no?
[01:15] <thomas_newbie__> my teacher suggested to me that I put in something called PAM between my router and my computer
[01:16] <kgoetz> owh: you on oftc? ask #debian-mentors (or read their /topic)
[01:16] <kgoetz> owh: actually, try #ubuntu-motu , and read their /topic :)
[01:17] <owh> phone
[01:18] <thomas_newbie__> kgoetz: hey can i ask you bunch of questiosn
[01:18] <kgoetz> not sure calling them will help
[01:18] <kgoetz> thomas_newbie__: no, but you can ask the channel :)
[01:19] <thomas_newbie__> sorry :S;
[01:20] <thomas_newbie__> anyway um, remember  you were helping me setup my server yesterday and I was saying how I have 2 computers on my internal network, 1 of them hostin web and ssh servers
[01:20] <thomas_newbie__> Now in order for the other to be hijacked or somehow intruded, the intruder has to go through my machine first right?
[01:24] <thomas_newbie__> If the other computer is not running any services, then would a hijacker be able to do something with that computer?
[01:25] <thomas_newbie__> I mean no ports would be open, so I shouldn't worry about somethign going wrong with the 2nd computer. Only mine the ones with the servers......?
[01:25] <kgoetz> afk.
[01:25] <kgoetz> lunch
[01:29] <owh> thomas_newbie__: The *only* way to secure a computer through the network is to physically disconnect the the network. After that, all you're doing is putting policies in place. There is no such thing as a secure computer, just exploits not yet discovered.
[01:39] <wickedrash> k...tape noob here.. I am trying to backup a bunch of my data to a 40/80 DLT with bacula
[01:39] <wickedrash> can anyone help?
[01:41] <wickedrash> hello
[01:48] <owh> wickedrash: You may get a better response if you actually asked a question.
[01:49] <owh> wickedrash: "can anyone help?" does not qualify as a question.
[01:50] <wickedrash> I am having trouble with bacula-web
[01:51] <wickedrash> hello
[01:52] <wickedrash> got a bacula tape backup question.. bacula-web says DB: not found?
[01:53] <wickedrash> the bacula.conf is correct as far as I know
[01:57] <thomas_newbie__> owh: lol obviously i don't want to disconnect it though...I'm just trying to understand how another computer in my internal network that isn't hosting anything can be hacked if I'm hosting a server
[02:01] <owh> thomas_newbie__: My point was that if it's physically connected to the wire that is connected to the net, then technically it's possible that it can be hacked. Is it probable? Well that depends entirely on what's plugged into what and what is configured in which way. I cannot answer that with the information you've provided.
[02:03] <owh> Man I *love* clients who at the end of a five month project want their server back *now*, rather than 72 hours from now when it's finally finished :|
[02:06] <thomas_newbie__> owh: what I'm trying to get at here is, now that I have a server that is accepting incoming connections, what extra security flawls could I have added? How does one intrude an internal network? through the webserver first?
[02:07] <owh> thomas_newbie__: When packets arrive from the outside world they can be crafted to look like they're internal, thus creating the illusion of local traffic. This may then be used to gain access.
[02:07] <thomas_newbie__> owh: gain access to what? MY computer FIRST?
[02:08] <owh> br
[02:08] <owh> brb
[02:09] <thomas_newbie__> owh: i'm sorry if I'm being very vague
[02:11] <owh> thomas_newbie__: I didn't really want to get into a big discussion, there are not enough hours in my day as it is. My point was that if you are getting *any* traffic from anywhere, it can be used to fake things making it possible to escalate privileges. As I said, I cannot make more comment with what you've given in the way of information.
[02:12] <thomas_newbie__> owh: ok ty
[02:12] <owh> np
[02:16] <jords> touch: cannot touch `this': Permission denied
[02:17] <thomas_newbie__> jords: ?
[02:23] <thomas_newbie__> if I wanted to change my webserver port number how would people be able to connect through their browser?
[02:27] <leonel>  http://youserver.com:thenewport
[02:30] <thomas_newbie__> leonel: what i don't understnad
[02:31] <leonel> if you changed the port  from  80  to  lets say   85
[02:31] <leonel>  to access your server would be
[02:32] <leonel>  http://yourserver.com:85
[02:33] <thomas_newbie__> leonel: yes but people won't type that in :S
[02:34] <thomas_newbie__> brb take a shit
[03:07] <jords> thomas they'll have to
[03:08] <jords> a normal web server must run on port 80 if you don't want people to have to specify the port... or you can do a redirect to send people who access on port 80 to port whatever with most registrars/ dns nameserver providers
[03:09] <jords> so yourserver.com is redirected to yourserver.com:85
[03:20] <XiXaQ> good morning.
[03:23] <thomas_newbie__> hey XiXaQ
[03:23] <thomas_newbie__> XiXaQ: whats up remember me :)
[03:24] <XiXaQ> yup.
[03:24] <thomas_newbie__> hey questino is PAM a good thing for me to set up for my apache webserver
[03:24] <XiXaQ> I just woke up, so I'm having my first cup of coffee, preparing myself mentally for the installation of a CalDAV server.
[03:25] <thomas_newbie__> coooool
[03:25] <thomas_newbie__> XiXaQ: you see I want to secure my internal network
[03:25] <XiXaQ> secure it from what?
[03:26] <thomas_newbie__> XiXaQ: intruders.....hackers....viruses....etc
[03:27] <XiXaQ> I don't think any one thing you do will protect you from all of that.
[03:27] <thomas_newbie__> XiXaQ: .....well i gotta do something to help
[03:28] <XiXaQ> you should do something, yes, that's wise.. I'd identify the weak points and fix those. How? I don't know.
[03:29] <XiXaQ> I'm still trying to make my systems work as they should. Once they do, I'll secure the system as much as I can. Security is an ongoing process though.
[03:29] <zul> thomas_newbie__; you might want to check google for locking down apache and things like that
[03:30] <thomas_newbie__> i see
[03:30] <XiXaQ> avoid the private messages please.
[03:30] <thomas_newbie__> my bad
[03:31] <XiXaQ> probably the easiest way to protect computers in a lan, is to protect the lan itself.
[03:32] <XiXaQ> if you have a router with a firewall, then that can help alot.
[03:32] <thomas_newbie__> yes i have a modem then router that splits 2 connections...1 leads to my servers, the other to another PC
[03:33] <thomas_newbie__> well so should I use PAM?
[03:33] <XiXaQ> for a private lan, I'd say that's good enough if you configure it properly.
[03:33] <XiXaQ> I'm not sure what you'd want PAM to do. d
[03:34] <XiXaQ> you already have PAM, don't you?
[03:34] <thomas_newbie__> my professor suggested I use it
[03:34] <thomas_newbie__> you mean by default install?
[03:34] <thomas_newbie__> i dunno
[03:34] <XiXaQ> what did he suggest you do with it?
[03:35] <thomas_newbie__> he said I could use it as a firewall, aswell as use it to monitor suspicious activity
[03:37] <XiXaQ> I'm not sure what he meant by that. Sure, you can setup ubuntu as a gateway, using iptables to route and not route traffic. I'm not sure what role PAM would play in that though. Perhaps you could use it to provide a single sign-on for your network computers.
[03:41] <XiXaQ> personally, I'd rely on your router, unless you're doing this because you want to do it, and learn how to do it.
[03:43] <thomas_newbie__> just my 1 router? maybe i should get another between me and the first router
[03:44] <kgoetz> arvo all
[03:51] <XiXaQ> thomas_newbie__, I don't know.
[03:52] <thomas_newbie__> XiXaQ: alright thanks
[04:09] <XiXaQ> sleep is a really cool invention. It makes all tasks seem abit lighter :)
[04:09] <XiXaQ> today, I think I'll get my mail/LAMP/CalDAV/LDAP-server working. That'd be really nice.
[04:10] <kgoetz> never tried caldev, but i may be able to help with teh others.. perhaps... a tiny bit.. :|
[04:10] <XiXaQ> I'd be grateful :)
[04:12] <kgoetz> :)
[04:14] <XiXaQ> LDAP is completely unknown territory for me, so I guess that'll be the biggest obstacle, followed by caldav.
[04:15] <kgoetz> mmm. ldap was hard (for me)
[04:16] <XiXaQ> perhaps it's mostly frightening, what with all the weird item stuff, like ou, dc, etc?
[04:17] <kgoetz> getting stuff to auth against its reasonably hard (at first), and if you dont understnad how a Directory works, its harder again
[04:19] <XiXaQ> do you mean gaining access to the directory itself, or authentication for other services?
[04:20] <kgoetz> install ldapscripts , ldap-util(s?), and ldapvi for starters :)
[04:20] <XiXaQ> well, actually, ldap will be the last step. :)
[04:20] <kgoetz> i'd advise against it :)
[04:20] <XiXaQ> oh?
[04:21] <kgoetz> if your authenticating against it, you want it there early to test against
[04:21] <kgoetz> unless your setting everything up seperately, then pointing them all to it somehow
[04:22] <XiXaQ> you're talking about single sign-on?
[04:22]  * kgoetz tries to understand perl and logwatch :S
[04:22] <kgoetz> yes, or using postfix (slash your mail server) to check for valid users, etc
[04:26] <XiXaQ> I see. Well, I'm working towards a production system, but at this point, I'm just experimenting and learning. Since mail, web and calendar sharing is most important, I'll do that first. Then I'll add LDAP for contact management, and then probably look into single sign-on and identity management. I also think those are the most complicated services?
[04:27] <kgoetz> probably an ok way to do it
[07:34] <owh> nijaba: Would there be interest in making the ubuntu-jeos-builder install the vmware-tools as an option? Also I figured out how to deal with the perl locale errors.
[07:35] <nijaba> owh: sure, that would be nice :)
[07:36] <owh> The work-around for the perl is to preface the command with LANG=C, and after the build completes, in the machine itself locale-gen "foobar"
[07:37] <siretart> hi!
[07:37] <owh> nijaba: I'm not sure how I should implement the vmware-tools build in a managable/maintainable way, because it requires the .tgz file from the .iso (I suppose you could specify it on the cmd line), and then it requires the installation of the build tools, compilation, answering yes a lot.
[07:38] <owh> nijaba: I'm loathe to just hack it in, but I'm happy to take some comment on the issue.
[07:38] <nijaba> owh: If one can just specify which tgz file to use, that would be a good start
[07:39] <nijaba> and I don't see a way away from the yes answering part, but we should ask soren...
[07:39] <XiXaQ> owh, I've followed that updated blog, and I can't get it working. Same errors as yesterday.
[07:39] <owh> nijaba: That's pretty trivial. Lemmie see if I can "encourage the vmware build script" to accept input.
[07:39] <XiXaQ> krb5-config not found.
[07:40] <XiXaQ> it is, of course, possible that the source has changed since he wrote that blog.
[07:40] <owh> XiXaQ: Yeah, I did get past that point, but I had a little distraction at this end. I'm hoping to spend some time on it shortly.
[07:40] <XiXaQ> what did you do?
[07:40] <owh> XiXaQ: I also noted that the other blog post got the source from a different place and another post that recommends getting python_xattr from within the run -s, rather than a package.
[07:41] <siretart> I'm trying to unstall ubuntu 7.10 on my ultrasparc60, using software raid (raid1, mirroring) on 2 disks. Installation went file, however the installed system fails to boot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51536/
[07:41] <owh> XiXaQ: In the URL's I showed you last night - uh, yesterday your time - there was a whole lot of extra information. I'll digg them up again in a mo.
[07:41] <XiXaQ> I can scroll :)
[07:41] <siretart> I'm aware of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sparc/KnownIssues, and I left an empty partition (1mb) at the beginning. however, that didn't help
[07:42] <owh> nijaba: Lemmie have a quick play with a simple redirect, like the chpasswd code does.
[07:42] <nijaba> owh: fine
[07:42] <owh> XiXaQ: Yeah, but I also had additional information :)
[07:42] <XiXaQ> oh, ok.
[07:48] <owh> XiXaQ: Here's the information I've collected so far on installing the Apple iCal server onto Ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51537/
[07:48] <XiXaQ> great.
[07:48] <owh> XiXaQ: The forum post especially indicates that we're pretty close. Some of those postings were a hour old yesterday.
[07:48] <XiXaQ> were you able to get it up and running, you said?
[07:48] <siretart> hm. it didn't even bring up my 2nd raid device.. grrr
[07:49] <owh> XiXaQ: No, the command line barfed with missing command caldav.
[07:49] <XiXaQ> oh.
[07:49] <owh> XiXaQ: I suspect that the reason people are reporting success is because I'm using JEOS, they're using ubuntu-server.
[07:49] <owh> XiXaQ: I really don't want to install server if I don't have to just now.
[07:50] <owh> XiXaQ: So, likely we're talking about a missing package.
[07:50] <owh> XiXaQ: I suppose we could play with auto-apt.
[07:51] <owh> XiXaQ: That will load everything it asks for, but it means that an autoconf will succeed for all its options, so it will ask for c, gcc, gcc+ and autoapt will get them all :(
[07:51] <owh> Of course I might be remembering all that wrong :)
[07:52] <XiXaQ> owh, well. I'm using ubuntu server. I can't get it working.
[07:52] <owh> Version?
[07:52] <XiXaQ> both 710 and 804.
[07:53] <owh> On the 710, try the #13 post from the forum to the letter.
[07:53] <XiXaQ> I wish someone could assemble a real explanation instead of just referring to other posts without any links. It's very difficult to follow.
[07:53] <XiXaQ> "install the packages from the other guide"..
[07:53] <owh> Oh, one mo.
[07:55] <owh> XiXaQ: Doh, you only get the one post with the URL I gave you, here's a better URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650443&page=2
[07:55] <owh> XiXaQ: You're looking for #13
[07:56] <XiXaQ> that's the one I'm looking at.
[07:56] <XiXaQ> people say 704 and 710 as if desktop and server install is the same thing.
[07:57] <owh> XiXaQ: Yeah, but the #13 post specifically says 7.10 server
[07:58] <XiXaQ> ok, I'll blank my server and give it another go from there. :)
[07:58] <owh> XiXaQ: Also, timeshifter only installs the packages from those two blogs, but follows the instructions from the jl42 blog.
[08:01] <XiXaQ> ok. Here we go :)
[08:02] <owh> XiXaQ: Post #17 is also from timeshifter.
[08:03] <XiXaQ> I'll skip the python2.4 package, since 2.5 is already installed. Don't you think?
[08:05] <owh> XiXaQ: I'm following it to the letter.
[08:05] <owh> XiXaQ: I figure make it work first, then break it :)
[08:05] <XiXaQ> it doesn't take too long to revert to a snapshot, so I'll try :)
[08:06] <owh> XiXaQ: I'm also using apt-get rather than what I'd normally use, aptitude.
[08:07] <soren> owh: We have the free version of the vmware-tools in the archive now. open-vm-tools.
[08:08] <owh> soren: You beauty!
[08:08] <XiXaQ> it actually required python2.4
[08:08]  * owh jumps for joy!
[08:08] <XiXaQ> soren, that's _great_!
[08:08] <XiXaQ> soren, in hardy apt repository?
[08:08] <owh> nijaba: Did you see what soren just told us?
[08:09] <soren> XiXaQ: And as of alpha 3, the appropriate kernel modules are included in -virtual (and the other kernel flavours as well, actually).
[08:09] <soren> XiXaQ: Yes, in hardy.
[08:09] <owh> soren: So, can I use that for my jeos/gutsy install?
[08:09] <XiXaQ> grand!
[08:13] <owh> soren: Was that a silly question I asked ?
[08:16] <owh> XiXaQ: It's downloading a different version of the server, it's not taking nearly as long as yesterday.
[08:16] <XiXaQ> this is looking much better.
[08:17] <XiXaQ> I'm configuring it now, so we'll know shortly :)
[08:17]  * owh is running ./run -s
[08:17] <owh> Just finished.
[08:18] <owh> XiXaQ: Well there's lots on the console, but it appears to be running.
[08:22] <owh> XiXaQ: What's happening at your end?
[08:22] <XiXaQ> I went out for a cigarette before trying :)
[08:23] <owh> Heh :)
[08:23] <soren> owh: It won't work for gutsy, no :(
[08:23] <owh> XiXaQ: Mine is running, but I cannot connect to it yet.
[08:23] <owh> soren: Can I back-port it?
[08:23] <owh> soren: I'd rather not go to hardy just yet for a production machine.
[08:23] <soren> owh: Well... Yes, I don't see why not.
[08:24] <soren> owh: There's even a open-vm-tools-source package that you can use to provide the kernel modules (using module-assistant)
[08:24] <owh> soren: Just to be clear, this will allow me to shut down the guest in a nice way, rather than remote power-off?
[08:25] <soren> owh: It should, yes.
[08:25] <owh> soren: I'll have a looksee after I've got this (*&&^% iCal server running :)
[08:25] <XiXaQ> owh, are you connecting from the same machine or from another one?
[08:25] <owh> Thanks muchly!
[08:25] <owh> XiXaQ: From outside.
[08:26] <owh> Hmm, that's a point.
[08:26] <XiXaQ> the config is set to only accept from <IP_ADDRESS> it looks like.
[08:26] <owh> Lemmie see.
[08:26] <owh> XiXaQ: But if you remove the address it's supposed to bind to all.
[08:26] <XiXaQ> blank for all, it sais. I tried that, but I haven't run it yet, so I don't know if it'll work.
[08:27]  * owh is installing telnet :)
[08:27] <XiXaQ> it's looking very good.
[08:27] <XiXaQ> where do I setup accounts?
[08:27] <owh> Dunno yet :)
[08:27] <owh> IIRC the QuickStartGuide URL tells you that
[08:28] <XiXaQ> cams blog sais its in accounts.xml in /usr/local/CalendarServer/conf.
[08:28] <owh> Well if you followed the other install it will be in /opt/iCalServer/CalendarServer/conf
[08:29] <owh> XiXaQ: My console is full of IOError, what is yours doing?
[08:29] <XiXaQ> it's looking good. No errors.
[08:29] <owh> Is it silent?
[08:30] <owh> My fstab line is like this: UUID=b3f3f4bb-98cd-47b4-9830-f9e7061a81b6 opt       ext3    user,rw,user_xattr        0       1
[08:30] <XiXaQ> no, it outputs alot of messages, but all good ones.
[08:31] <owh> The fstab's the only thing I'm not sure I got right.
[08:32] <XiXaQ> looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/DzWvHH25.html
[08:32] <owh> XiXaQ: Yeah, mine doesn't look like that. Can you show me your fstab?
[08:32] <XiXaQ> oh.. Ignore the first 69 lines :)
[08:33] <XiXaQ> your fstab looks good.
[08:33] <owh> I just unmounted /opt and then did mount -a, now when I run it I get: # ./run
[08:33] <owh> bash: ./run: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[08:34] <XiXaQ> oh.. :/
[08:34] <XiXaQ> I'm still not able to connect from another machine though. I'll have to have another look at the config.
[08:35] <owh> Yeah, it really doesn't like me :)
[08:38] <owh> XiXaQ: Ah, I cannot exec on this partition at the moment :)
[08:38] <XiXaQ> I am able to connect using w3m on the server though, but that's not very easily interpreted.
[08:38] <owh> XiXaQ: Does yours show user,rw,user_xattr, or does it show defaults,user_xattr
[08:38] <XiXaQ> seems to ignore my configuration changes..
[08:39] <XiXaQ> UUID=94a96528-c889-45a1-bc98-d9d02ecdd59c /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr 0       1
[08:39] <owh> Riiiight.
[08:40] <owh> XiXaQ: Niiice, now I get what you get :)
[08:40] <owh> And I can connect locally.
[08:40] <XiXaQ> perhaps I'll help if I try to edit the right configuration file.. :)
[08:40] <owh> ROTFL
[08:41] <XiXaQ> it did :)
[08:41] <owh> Whoot!
[08:41] <owh> Remote and all!
[08:42] <XiXaQ> it's caldavd-dev, not caldavd.
[08:42] <XiXaQ> yes :)
[08:42] <owh> Well, that's step 1 done.
[08:42] <owh> Now I did come across a link that talked about how to make Thunderbird talk to this IIRC.
[08:43] <owh> So, the magic was the svn source and making sure that the fstab entry was right.
[08:43] <owh> Lemmie document that somewhere :)
[08:43] <XiXaQ> I'm not able to connect from evolution yet though.
[08:44] <owh> XiXaQ: One step at a time my friend.
[08:44] <XiXaQ> yup.
[08:44] <owh> Today you achieved a running server :)
[08:48] <XiXaQ> that's true :)
[08:49] <XiXaQ> it would be nice if I could use it for something as well though. :)
[08:49] <owh> That is also true. ATM I'm documenting my steps.
[08:50] <owh> XiXaQ: This is how I did it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51540/
[08:50] <owh> XiXaQ: Basically post #13
[08:55] <XiXaQ> right. Me too.
[08:55] <XiXaQ> I thought I'd actually confirm that it's working, and not just running before I start documenting.
[08:56] <owh> XiXaQ: Except that there are a few others pulling out their hair too...
[08:57] <XiXaQ> yes, I am going to document it using both 710 server and hardy, but I'm reluctant to say that it's a working setup before I'm actually able to use it.
[08:58] <owh> I'll add the disclaimer :)
[08:59] <owh> Hows this as a disclaimer: Note that this just makes it run, we haven't done any configuration, haven't confirmed we can actually use it, that it won't fill up your hard disk or kill kittens.
[09:07] <XiXaQ> heh
[09:07] <XiXaQ> I don't like disclaimers.
[09:08] <XiXaQ> well, I've gotten one step closer. Evolution seems to recognize, and connect properly, but when I'm trying to add a new calendar entry, it sais Authentication Required. I have entered username and password though.
[09:12] <owh> XiXaQ: Does the console show anything?
[09:12] <XiXaQ> 2008-01-11 09:26:54+0100 [-] [caldav-8008]  [HTTPChannel,25,<IP_ADDRESS>] 'Authentication failed: nonce-count value out of sequence: 3 should be one more than 1'
[09:13] <XiXaQ> I agree.. 3 _should_ be more than 1.
[09:15] <owh> HEHE
[09:16] <owh> Bug #160190
[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160190 in evolution "Evolution cannot authenticate against caldavd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160190
[09:17] <owh> XiXaQ: There is a work-around in that bug.
[09:18] <owh> AFK ..dinner..
[09:26] <XiXaQ> hey.. I think it works..
[09:28] <XiXaQ> it does indeed!
[09:28] <XiXaQ> I'll go get some food too then! :)
[10:21] <XiXaQ> owh, did you do the apt-get install's like you write, or one by one?
[10:26] <XiXaQ> we also need to make scripts to start the server at boot, and script in /etc/init.d to control it.
[10:26] <XiXaQ> how do we do that?
[10:28] <owh> XiXaQ: Gotta go and get some fuel, but yes, the apt-gets were done as I wrote them.
[10:28] <owh> XiXaQ: I'll be back in about an hour or so.
[10:30] <XiXaQ> ok :)
[10:33] <nawty> Hi! :) I'm stuck after updating my ubuntu dapper (which was booting fine) to gutsy (through the releases one by one)
[10:34] <nawty> it seems to now boot and go up to the initramfs prompt, with a message about the /dev/..../by-uid/... being in use
[10:34] <nawty> I've attempted to make it use /dev/hd* values instead, and from there it seems to give me a message about the device not existing, but i do an 'ls' in /dev/, and they're there.
[10:34] <nawty> the original -server kernels work, just the later ones, and the -xen ones don't.
[10:35] <nawty> I've since moved to hardy, in an attempt to see if it was a bug somewhere, but alas, the same thing, unless i boot from an old old old (dapper) kernel.
[10:35] <nawty> Anyone have any idea on where to start?
[10:35] <Nafallo> nawty: have yu got evms installed? if so, do you use it?
[10:35] <Nafallo> you even
[10:37] <nawty> Evms would only be installed if it's on -server by default, although i'm not sure.
[10:37] <nawty> Give me a moment to see if there's a /dev/evms*
[10:37] <Nafallo> nawty: dpkg -l evms
[10:38] <nawty> nafallo, need to do a reboot to an old kernel quick first
[10:38] <Nafallo> nawty: evms was installed by default back in dapper.
[10:38] <nawty> ah, forgot about that
[10:38] <nawty> let me get rid of that then ;)
[10:38] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:39] <nawty> evms is on it's way out
[10:40] <nawty> i read somewhere about the dual UUID thingie generated by EVMS
[10:40] <nawty> that be it then?
[10:40] <nawty> evil ibm.
[10:40] <nawty> 'i are in your linux, breaking your boot!'
[10:41] <nawty> quick way to regenerate all initrd?
[10:41] <nawty> (s)
[10:46] <Nafallo> initramfs? the post-remove should do that I believe?
[10:49] <nawty> only did the active kernel for some reason
[10:50] <nawty> but as i had to boot into a long old one :P
[10:50] <nawty> and i wanted a newwer one regenerated
[10:50] <nawty> i just -reconfigured the xen one manually.
[10:50] <nawty> perfect boot ;) Thanks Nafallo
[10:57] <Nafallo> no worries :-)
[11:35] <owh> XiXaQ: Hiya.
[11:36] <owh> XiXaQ: Just dropping in to say that something's come up at this end and I won't be able to do anything tonight. I'm on LP onno-itmaze, drop me an email.
[13:21] <tjaalton> soren: ok, I'm ready to test kvm.. I've installed virt-manager and python-virtinst, what else do I need?
[13:22]  * soren is on the phone
[13:22] <tjaalton> :)
[13:33] <tjaalton> there doesn't seem to be a gui for creating guests yet
[13:44] <soren> tjaalton: That's what virt-manager is supposed to do..  It only looks to see if you're root.
[13:50] <soren> ...so
[13:50] <soren> you probably want to run run virt-manager as root to start the installation.
[13:51] <soren> ...and then afterwards you can connect as your regular user.
[13:51]  * soren is *Really* going to lunch now.
[13:52] <tjaalton> soren: ok, I'll try. Thanks!
[13:52] <tjaalton> have a nice meal :)
[13:59] <tjaalton> 1h22min until alpha3 is downloaded.. time to visit the post office then
[14:01] <zul> morning
[14:02] <ScottK> morning
[14:05] <jords> morning
[14:05] <jords> it's 3am for me :S
[14:38] <_ruben> 3am .. that must be aussieland or smth .. since its 3pm here ;)
[14:39] <_ruben> well .. 3:38 by now
[15:19] <nxvl_work> mathiaz: around?
[15:23] <tjaalton> soren: hum, virt-manager complains that it cannot connect (running as root), and suggests to verify that libvirtd is running
[15:23] <soren> tjaalton: Is it?
[15:23] <soren> :)
[15:24] <tjaalton> no, can't find a single file with that name :)
[15:24] <tjaalton> so maybe I'm missing something
[15:24] <soren> libvirt-bin is your friend.
[15:25] <tjaalton> ok, is there a pseudopackage to pull all of this?
[15:25] <tjaalton> alright, now we're talking :)
[15:27] <tjaalton> heh, no Ubuntu on the OS list :)
[15:27] <soren> Doh.. :)
[15:32] <tjaalton> ok, so X fails miserably with kvm :)
[15:32] <soren> Oh, really?
[15:32] <tjaalton> well, it drops into failsafeX
[15:33] <tjaalton> but kvm rocks, now that I finally have hardware to support it properly
[15:33]  * soren has only really tested it with server or cli installes
[15:33] <soren> installs, even.
[15:34] <tjaalton> I took the livecd, since there already are bugs that it fails somewhat
[15:35] <soren> tjaalton: I can hardly remember which card it emulates.. It's not a Cirrus, is it?
[15:36] <tjaalton> not sure yet, forgot to change the kb layout
[15:36] <tjaalton> so can't check the log :)
[15:37] <soren> tjaalton: oh?
[15:37] <tjaalton> it was broken somehow
[15:38] <soren> lspci says it's a Cirrus Logic GD 5446.
[15:39] <tjaalton> yes, the "bios" screen also says that it's cirrus
[15:39] <soren> Oh, ok.
[15:39] <tjaalton> hmm, I can't make it boot the cd image again?
[15:39] <soren> I forget how you do that :)
[15:40] <tjaalton> heh
[15:41] <soren> ..from the gui, that is.
[15:43] <XiXaQ> is there a memoserv on this network?
[15:44] <XiXaQ> or, can someone decipher this message? <owh> XiXaQ: Just dropping in to say that something's come up at this end and I won't be able to do anything tonight. I'm on LP onno-itmaze, drop me an email.
[15:45] <XiXaQ> wth is an LP onno-itmaze? :)
[15:49] <tjaalton> soren: ok, so I destroyed the image, created a new one and now it fails to boot the cd, just hangs with a black terminal
[15:51] <soren> XiXaQ: https://edge.launchpad.net/~onno-itmaze
[15:51] <XiXaQ> ah! :)
[15:51] <soren> tjaalton: Er..  No clue. :)
[15:51] <XiXaQ> thanks soren :)
[15:52] <soren> tjaalton: virt-manager needs some serious love, IMO. As I said: I usually drive kvm from the commandline.
[15:52] <soren> XiXaQ: no worries :)
[15:53] <XiXaQ> I'm writing a howto for CalDAV on the wiki, but I could use some help: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CalendarServer
[15:53] <tjaalton> soren: heh ok, this is from redhat right?
[15:53] <soren> tjaalton: It is. Completely fresh version (from this morning).
[15:53] <tjaalton> ooh
[15:53] <soren> tjaalton: We get them faster than Fedora :)
[15:53] <soren> I find that amusing :)
[15:55] <tjaalton> ah, now I found the place for the image..
[15:55] <tjaalton> theres another device for it, hdc
[15:56] <tjaalton> and it's removed on shutdown :/
[15:57] <tjaalton> and while recreating it assumes it's a normal partition <shrug>
[15:58] <soren> Huh?
[15:59] <tjaalton> uh, no.. it's just not that intuitive
[15:59] <tjaalton> you can select the cd image as "source" and then specify cdrom as "target"
[15:59] <soren> Ah..
[15:59] <tjaalton> at least I found that confusing
[16:00] <soren> The reason it went missing after the first run is due to a weird assumption that you only need the CD during install and never again.
[16:00] <soren> ...so it's only connected during the first run.
[16:00] <tjaalton> yeah, and it wont boot from it even if you add it again
[16:00] <soren> No, there's no way to specify boot device.
[16:00] <soren> ...that I've found anyway.
[16:01] <soren> Ah.. Typo in the vnc code. Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work.
[16:02] <tjaalton> so should I file bugs against virt-manager?
[16:02] <soren> Oh, yes, please.
[16:02] <soren> That would be lovely.
[16:03] <tjaalton> I guess the plumbing is good
[16:03] <soren> The basic building blocks are there... It just needs a lot of love.
[16:05] <tjaalton> I like the way vmware works, since it's much like what a decent pc does
[16:05] <tjaalton> I mean booting wise
[16:05] <tjaalton> press F12 to start netboot, or "anykey" to boot from cd etc
[16:06] <soren> tjaalton: That would be nifty, yes.
[16:06] <tjaalton> but maybe bios deficiencies can be worked around from the gui
[16:06] <soren> Yeah, I think that's the idea.
[16:06] <tjaalton> it just calls kvm?
[16:07] <soren> Not entirely.
[16:07] <soren> It asks the libvirt deamon to start kvm.
[16:07] <soren> That daemon attaches itself to kvm so that you can attach new devices at runtime and such.
[16:07] <soren> ...migrate it to another node.
[16:08] <soren> ...detach devices...
[16:08] <soren> that sort of thing.
[16:08] <tjaalton> ok, but it should be pretty trivial to specify the boot media
[16:08] <soren> Quite.
[16:08] <soren> It's a virt-manager limitation.
[16:08] <soren> libvirt supports it.
[16:08] <tjaalton> yeah
[16:12] <tjaalton> it's been a wet dream of mine to run all the supported distro versions as virtual machines, and I've tried vmware a couple of times now.. but I also like to run the latest devel release, so when vmware modules are not available the setup is unusable
[16:13] <tjaalton> and now it seems that I finally can do it
[16:13] <tjaalton> and keep it
[16:13] <soren> tjaalton: Yeah. I've had them all running in vmware as well, but I'm moving them over to kvm one by one now.
[16:15] <tjaalton> hah, no bugs against virt-manager :)
[16:15] <tjaalton> or no users :)
[16:15] <soren> no users, probably.
[16:16] <soren> :)
[16:16] <soren> Apart from me, and I don't bother filing the bugs. I just fix them :)
[16:16] <tjaalton> that's good, you'll hear a lot from me then :)
[16:17]  * soren just heard from his new ISP that his new house will be connected to the Intertubes on February 8th
[16:17] <soren> \o/
[16:18] <soren> Should be just in time for the move.
[16:23] <tjaalton> heh
[16:42] <genii> Does anyone know how to go about obtaining a block of telephone numbers in Canada? http://www.cnac.ca/ and the crtc homepage are extremely obtuse on this subject.
[16:43]  * ScottK looks around in /topic for that....
[16:46] <genii> ScottK: Heh :) I figured if any ppl in here running asterisk or similar on ubuntu boxes might know is all
[17:46] <zul> soren: so what a 2400 baud modem?
[17:47] <soren> zul: 20Mbit down, 2 Mbit up.
[17:47] <soren> In theory.
[17:47] <zul> soren: cool dsl?
[17:47] <soren> The other end of the cable is ~450 yards away, so it might be slightly less than that.
[17:47] <soren> Yeah, DSL kind of thing.
[17:47] <ScottK> Sounds like what we get with fiber here.
[17:47] <soren> Not too pricey, either.
[17:47] <zul> nfity
[17:48] <soren> Around £40/mo.
[17:48] <zul> thats kind of expensive
[17:48] <soren> ScottK: Wow. With fiber, I'd get... Loads more.
[17:48] <soren> zul: Not in Denmark.
[17:48] <zul> how much are you paying now?
[17:49] <soren> zul: About the same for 10Mbit down and 384 kbit up.
[17:49] <ScottK> The phone company here (Verizon) is pushing fiber to the house.  I've got the slow one which is (IIRC) 15 MB down and 2MB up.
[17:49] <soren> Fiber is *very* expensive here in most places.
[17:49] <leonel> plop ..
[17:49] <soren> To the tune of at least £1000 for installation.. and that's if you're lucky.
[17:50] <zul> i just have cable i think its like $40/month (20 ukp/month)
[17:50] <zul> soren: at least its not isdn
[17:50] <soren> 20Mbit downstream is fine.
[17:52] <soren> Oh, well, I've got to run.
[17:52]  * soren calls it a day.
[17:53] <ScottK> Good night soren
[18:15] <figginator> Hello, does ubuntu server 6.06 need to run a firewall or is it secure by its self? I understand that I should turn off and remove services/programs I'm not using but running a standard lamp install leave me vulnerable
[18:15] <ScottK> figginator: That's a matter of some controversy.  By default it isn't listening to any outside ports and so a firewall offers little if any advantage.
[18:16] <ScottK> The LAMP install does, of course, listen to outside port.
[18:16] <figginator> ScottK: so if I'm running the LAMP you suggest I run a firewall
[18:17] <ScottK> It look at what ports are open and decide yourself.  If you are listening on port 80, you really can't firewall it and still have a web server.
[18:18]  * ScottK runs one primarily to let the kernel filter out traffic from abusive sources without bothering any applications.
[18:18] <figginator> scottk: ok, so basiclly running a firewall and then opening up specific ports like 80 and 21 don't really offer great advantages
[18:18] <ScottK> Not great, no.
[18:19] <genii> figginator: A page here with some server hardening tips
[18:19] <genii> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Sysadmin/ImcSecurityServerHardeningDebian
[18:19] <ScottK> OTOH, other than the time invested in managing it, it doesn't hurt.
[18:19] <figginator> scottk: what is the kerne\l filter you run?
[18:20] <figginator> genii: thanks thats exactly what i'm looking fore
[18:20] <ScottK> iptables
[18:20] <genii> figginator: Anytime
[18:20] <figginator> I'm kinda new to ubuntu servers and I just want to make sure I'm not doing something dumb and leaving it wide open
[18:20]  * ScottK doesn't run the LAMP stack, so shouldn't be taken as a definitive answer.
[18:21] <figginator> scottk: is there a tutorial that you know of that explains how to configure iptables for a cookie cutter lamp box?
[18:22] <ScottK> Not that I know of, but I haven't looked.
[18:22] <figginator> ok
[18:23] <genii> figginator: A good place to check normally for this stuff is on the howtoforge, I seem to recall previously they had ubuntu iptables tutorials there
[18:24] <ScottK> Anything written for Debian will likely work out reasonably well for Ubuntu too.
[18:25] <genii> I just found the official one (perhaps not specifically LAMP related however) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[18:27] <figginator> Thanks again genii
[18:27] <ScottK> Anything in the community section isn't "official", but most things I've seen are reasonably good.
[18:27] <genii> ScottK: Well OK stating it as "official" was over-reaching
[18:27] <genii> figginator: np
[20:11] <h00s> I have a problem with ubuntu server 7.10 installed on usb stick/disk (corsair voyager 1gb). After 1 week of running, server just died and showed errors like 'rejecting I/O to dead device'. After reboot everything is ok again. What could be the problem?
[20:16] <leonel> acpi ??
[20:18] <h00s> so, i should disable it and try without it?
[20:30] <Landon> I recently got a VPS set up with Feisty on it, I was wondering if there was any harm in using gutsy repos so I could update some stuff like fail2ban
[20:48] <ScottK> h00s: How old is the box you're using it on?
[20:57] <h00s> ScottK: it's 2 months old :) Intel 201GLY motherboard, SiS964L, Celeron 1.33
[20:57] <ScottK> What's the chipset?
[20:58] <h00s> sis964
[21:00] <h00s> sry, it's SiS662 - http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D201GLY/index.htm
[21:00]  * ScottK would wonder if that chipset has proper kernel support yet.  I'd suggest consulting Google.
[21:01] <h00s> ok, thank you for the advice
[21:09] <Landon> so, would it be safe for the most part to use gutsy repos on a feisty system? (just so long as I didn't do apt-get upgrade or something liek that)
[21:12] <h00s> Landon: i was always told that doing such thing is not safe. new software can overwrite dependencies and that dependencies could be used by other software too, so updating one program could break other ones.
[21:12] <Landon> oh good point
[21:13] <Landon> so I'm basically left to do a dist-upgrade on the VPS account?
[21:13] <Landon> I figured that might break more stuff
[21:14] <h00s> you could try build that program from source?
[21:16] <Landon> wouldn't I still need to update dependences for it that might break other programs?
[21:18] <h00s> i think it wouldn't (usr directory?) I would like someone confirm this because i'm not sure
[21:18] <nealmcb> owh - thanks for the link to your launchpad account - glad to meet you!
[21:19] <nealmcb> owh/soren - so what is up with open-vm-tools, libvirt, etc.  do open-vm-tools help with folks running kvm/qemu?


[00:08] <AlanBell> http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/11/canonical-interview/
[00:08] <AlanBell> live interview with sabdfl right now
[00:09] <k1l> nice thanks
[03:39] <vwade79> sup guys
[03:40] <vwade79> i had a question about ubuntu  and the gnex and i thought u guys might know
[03:41] <vwade79> will the gnex have the desktop compatability?
[03:43] <vwade79> anyone
[03:43] <vwade79> ?
[03:45] <vwade79> aight ty anyways
[06:48] <mesquka> Hi
[08:03] <Ryan45> Hello
[08:09] <Ryan45> Ubuntu people: Figure out how to sell refurbished Galaxy Nexus's
[08:54] <mesquka> Hi
[08:54] <mesquka> Ryan45: Galexy Nexus's are google and samsung, NOT canonical
[08:57] <Ryan45> lol
[08:58] <Ryan45> hence figure out how to sell them :)
[08:58] <Ryan45> Somewhere out there is a refurbished stock pile :)
[08:59] <mesquka> Ryan45: haha
[09:00] <mesquka> Ryan45: ubuntu phone developers are creating a phone os, not loading phone OS's onto phones for people, that's for manufactures and OEM's
[09:00] <Ryan45> Yes
[09:01] <Ryan45> UP dev's are going to need a pool of test people
[09:01] <Ryan45> A few places are selling refurbished galaxy nexus
[09:06] <Ryan45> You know what would be handy
[09:06] <Ryan45> A google voice dialer client.
[09:06] <Ryan45> You can get the verizon nexus for $189
[09:06] <Ryan45> on ebay refurbished, available in bulk
[09:08] <Ryan45> hmm
[09:08] <Ryan45> https://code.google.com/p/qgvdial/
[09:08] <Ryan45> I might just get a Verizon nexus and use that.
[09:08] <Ryan45> do wifi calling to start
[09:11] <Ryan45> i can get one on ebay for $160 right now
[09:11] <Ryan45> hmm
[09:11] <Ryan45> sooo tempting
[09:11] <Ryan45> I'd prefer a gsm so I can throw a sim card in for straighttalk (usa's only decent no contract carrier)
[09:16] <Ryan45> wow
[09:16] <Ryan45> http://www.cellpex.com/index.php?fuseaction=models.home&brand=Samsung&model=Galaxy+Nexus+I9250&section=1&type=1
[09:16] <Ryan45> I could get 450 of them at $305 each
[09:16] <Ryan45> GSM
[09:31] <Ryan45> Ok, send a message to the guy who recently had 450 of them for sale. I am not sure what he has now, so I asked him if he still had access or would be interested in working to put together a group buy. As soon as that image drops I am sure a number of Ubuntu users are going to be interested in grabbing a GN.
[09:31] <Ryan45> send/sent
[10:05] <WanderingEnder> Ryan45, reminder: Verizon phones are locked. If that phone bill was ever not paid, you've bought a brick, as Verizon will never turn it on again until the original owner pays their full bill with penalties.
[18:57] <mhall119> Ryan45: from what I've been told, only GSM is going to be supported in the released images
[18:57] <mhall119> so don't get a CDMA phone if you want to use it for calls


[05:23] <Kilos> o/
[06:46] <pavlushka> hey Kilos , morning
[06:46] <pavlushka> Kilos: anything I can do for you?
[07:23] <Kilos> smile
[08:03] <pavlushka> Kilos: what? can you see my grim face?


[01:08] <cheeseboy> anyone recomend software for video capture?
[01:48] <gaurdro> ere3si,  would you pastebin the output of lspci?
[01:48] <gaurdro> err,  lsusb?
[01:53] <hardy> is there any way to activate pulseaudio in xubuntu?
[01:53] <hardy> 8.04 Hardy
[02:18] <keb> i keep getting a "No override present." error when trying to remove a package that is broken
[02:18] <keb> how can i fix this?
[03:01] <mortal1> anyone here installed xubuntu with the alternate disk?
[03:02] <mortal1> Are there any bugs / known issues?
[03:05] <ere4si> most bugs are hardware dependant
[03:47] <david_-_-> hello if i install xubuntu by this sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop then later on decide to delete it and do sudo aptitude --purge remove xubuntu-desktop and sudo aptitude --purge remove xubuntu will that delete all xubuntu codecs files and folders and programs and other xubuntu stuff?
[03:47] <nickellery> david_-_-: I believe so
[03:48] <david_-_-> nickellery: thanks
[03:48] <nickellery> np
[03:49] <Utalcn2me> i cannot get the xubuntu-usplash to load on startup or exit, anyone have any ideas?  i uninstalled and reinstalled xubuntu-usplash-artwork to no avail
[03:53] <curiogeo> I have a simple question about repair
[03:53] <curiogeo> I set up a xub 6.06 server that appears to be in trouble
[03:53] <curiogeo> I would like to repair the install
[03:54] <curiogeo> can I just pop the live cd in or the alternate cd in and run the install again to repair system files and the kernel
[03:54] <curiogeo> without losing existing data
[03:55] <curiogeo> config I don't mind losing but I would like to keep my files
[03:56] <curiogeo> sorry for the W word but windows allows you to install this way
[03:56] <curiogeo> install repair
[04:00] <KillerOrca> curiogeo: I know the 7.04 alternate cd had the repair a broken system option
[04:00] <KillerOrca> curiogeo: But I have never used it so you might want to google first
[04:02] <curiogeo> I will try googling
[04:02] <curiogeo> I tried earlier but was not happy with the results
[04:06] <KillerOrca> curiogeo: it might help if you put in "restore ubunutu 6.06' or restore server ubuntu
[04:07] <KillerOrca> curiogeo: restricting it to xubuntu may limit results
[04:07] <KillerOrca> Anyone have any apache experience?
[04:19] <david_-_-> nickellery: i think i will run xubuntu through vb so i do not have to deal with all that stuff and i can be in my main easly as well
[04:31] <Utalcn2me> i screwed up my usplash, can anyone tell me how to fix it?
[05:22] <Utalcn2me> i screwed up my usplash, can anyone tell me how to fix it?
[05:26] <ere4si> !usplash | Utalcn2me
[05:27] <ere4si> the bots dead - I forgot
[05:28] <ere4si> Utalcn2me: run this command and tell us the output pls - sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u
[05:28] <Utalcn2me> yea, i probably will download and install fresh - so everything should be right
[05:28] <ere4si> k
[05:29] <Utalcn2me> been there done that, everything was ok with it, but no usplash on exit or startup
[05:30] <ere4si> did you sudo update-grub after that command?
[05:30] <Utalcn2me> i started hardy by using an alpha with ozos-desktop then went to xubuntu
[05:30] <w00t> hello, how do i set a "open terminal here" command in my thunar right click menu?
[05:30] <Utalcn2me> no i didn't , do you think that would help?
[05:31] <Utalcn2me> ill give it a shot and see what happens
[05:31] <ere4si> Utalcn2me: that commands rebuilds the bit that shows the usplash - you need to let grub know with an update
[05:32] <Utalcn2me> i read a ubuntu wiki, but they didn't mention that - thanks!
[05:32] <ere4si> np
[05:35] <Utalcn2me> i have xubuntu-artwork-usplash installed, and it's selected in update-alternatives, but when update-grub runs, it says - Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
[05:36] <ere4si> Utalcn2me: then you need to install one
[05:37] <ere4si> Utalcn2me: the   sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u    command would have said it didn't find one
[05:39] <Utalcn2me> i ran that, and it has *         1    /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-xubuntu.so set as the default
[05:40] <ere4si> Utalcn2me: can you run it again and update grub again?
[05:41] <ere4si> Utalcn2me: and if it fails again browse to that file in /usr/lib and see if it exists
[05:41] <Utalcn2me> so, i got something broke, i think it may be that the alpha ozos disk i used was using dev packages, and now im not. i will run it and reboot in a lil bit
[05:42] <ere4si> k
[05:43] <Utalcn2me> im copying howard stern show to my walkman cellphone right now, it takes awhile to finish :P
[05:43] <ere4si> hehe
[10:07] <HermanChess> you know when you put a panel to free movable, it has link some pixels free from the border, so if I move the mouse to the corner I cant click the xfce menu for example, I can do this if it is fixed, but I need it movable (so windows can fully maximize .... what can i do?
[10:07] <HermanChess> or how can I make windows to "override" panels with fixed position?
[10:21] <KillerOrca> exit
[10:48] <alado2> is it possible to run this disk check that runs sometime at start up from inside ubuntu/xubuntu?
[10:49] <ere4si> alado2: the disk check is called   fsck   and it needs to run on unmounted filesystems - if I need to I run it from the live cd
[10:50] <ere4si> man fsck  for options
 ok, i'll have a look
[10:51] <alado2> but i could actually unmount a disk and then check it?
[10:53] <alado2> in the man page i cant see anything about the doing it on an unmounted disk though, looks like you can do it on already mounted as well
[10:57] <suriro> alado2: is it ext3?
[10:57] <alado2> yes
[10:57] <suriro> then read man fsck.ext3
 ok that was something different, thnx
[11:00] <alado2> but i assume its safe to just unmount the disk and then run it
[11:08] <ere4si> alado2: I made the comment about unmounted filesystems 'cause some people will try to run it on / and that won't work - if you unount the partition you can run it from xubuntu
 yes i understood that now, i just wanted to do it on my other disks anyway so that works, thnx for the help though
[11:21] <m1r> hello
[12:24] <alexandru> i have a bash scripting question
[12:24] <alexandru> (xargs)
[12:24] <alexandru> how do I escape the arguments?
[12:25] <alexandru> find . -name "*.rar" | xargs --max-lines=1 unrar e
[12:25] <alexandru> passes names like "blah blah" without escaping the space
[13:20] <kripz> has anyone got virtualbox and usb working in hardy?
[13:39] <realHans> Hi: 1. Is xubuntu as fast as on a usual Laptop ? 2. Is fast graphic supportet (for games and smooth scrolling in browser ? - I have bad experience with 8.04 and powerpc ...)
[13:41] <realHans> is every xbox already prepared to house an usual HD ?
[13:41] <kripz> xubuntu is suppose to be less resource intensive than gnome
[13:43] <realHans> hmmm ...
[13:48] <alado2> has anybody got voipstunt,voipbuster etc. to work with xubuntu? if so how?
[14:05] <killsalad>  hi all i've got a problem with ltsp-bulid-client it fails to complete and complains about lacks of package xubuntu-artwork-usplash?
[14:30] <realHans> is xubuntu as fast as on a usual pc ?
[14:44] <suriro> realHans: what unusual thing are you comparing it to?
[14:44] <realHans> compared to a usual pc ... about 2 GHz and 1 gb Ram ...
[14:45] <realHans> because the xbox has only 64 MB ram ...
[14:47] <suriro> I dont think anything 1gb can be the same as it is on 64mb
[14:56] <suriro> maybe you should seek for some "linux on xbox" special distro and experiences of its community, rather than a generic distro like Ubuntu
[15:19] <realHans> suriro: i thought xubuntu is for ubuntu on xbox ?
[15:21] <Blueface> Can someone help me with a problem that I got when upgrading to Hardy?
[15:21] <Blueface> Sound used to work perfectly but I don't get any at all using the new kernel
[15:22] <Blueface> Does anybody have a clue about what's causing it and how to fix it?
[15:40] <suriro> Blueface: you have Gnome?
[15:40] <jimmy51vinsky> ii think he was looking for gentoox
[15:41] <Blueface> suriro: I use XFCE
[15:49] <nikolam> hello people
[15:49] <nikolam> how are you? :)
[15:51] <nikolam> Does anyone know how do i "restart" sound driver/alsa?
[15:52] <nikolam> I went to the hibernation with my computer and now sound does not work
[15:52] <nikolam> I don`t like to restart since I have ja LOT of applications open , I am working on it..
[15:54] <suriro> nikolam: you can restart pulseaudio, if using it.
[15:57] <nikolam> i don`t know what it is , I fresh installed 8.04 64-bit
[15:57] <nikolam> will look at it, thanks
[15:58] <nikolam> BTW, where is pastebin?
[16:01] <david_-_-> how do i fix it in virtual box where i do not have to hit right control to leave the box all the time?
[16:02] <david_-_-> nikolam: sudo killall alsa ?
[16:03] <nikolam> david_-_-, And after that?
[16:03] <david_-_-> nikolam: it should restart it not sure lol was takign a shot there.
[16:03] <nikolam> there is no process that includes alsa in name
[16:04] <nikolam> I am thinking how to NOT restart ;)
[16:04] <nikolam> I was coming back from hibernate..
[16:05] <david_-_-> ah just hit alt contrl and backspace ?
[16:14] <david_-_-> is there a kernal of this already made http://programminglinuxblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/virtual-box-xubuntu.html
[16:19] <and2> Hello. I cannot play any dvd, can anyone explain to me why that is?
[16:21] <david_-_-> and2:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=434626
[16:22] <amaafui> thank you man :D
[16:22] <david_-_-> hope it helps let me know
[16:23] <baron_army> Is anyone familiar with Matthew Danish's Achilles program? I have a simple question.
[16:25] <david_-_-> never heard of it sorry baron_army
[16:27] <baron_army> damn, it's a basic ai ("life simulator") program
[16:43] <and2> Hey, where do I find the master volume bar? :S
[16:48] <david_-_-> how do you delete an os off of virtual box?
[16:48] <david_-_-> and2: open term and type alsa ?
[16:49] <and2> hehe, I just iinstalled ubuntu.. learning :D
[16:50] <david_-_-> and2: then shoot over to room #ubuntu
[16:51] <and2> cool david. will let you know if I need any help :D
[16:54] <Jeruvy> heya, switched my desktop on a 7.10 box from gnome to xfce, looks great but VNC doesn't work anymore?  It all seems running.  If I try to point to a display (box:1) I get a blank X screen, not the desktop?
[17:31] <alexandru> which package has cdev.h?
[17:32] <Malicious> Hey David, you here?
[17:45] <Nebuchan> Hello
[18:38] <robin__> Hi!
[18:38] <robin__> Tried to install xubuntu-desktop and log into it, but failed.
[18:38] <robin__> Seems it is installed (via apt-get install xubuntu-desktop)
[18:39] <robin__> but when I try to login, no splash screen comes up, it just stops.
[18:39] <robin__> and that is Ubuntu Hardy Heron that I'm using.
[18:39] <robin__> Any ideas?
[18:41] <robin__> Should I ask the people in the Ubuntu channel instead? Not sure if this is the right place for this question.
[18:42] <suriro> press ctrl-alt-backspace and retry. It happened to me once or twice.
[18:42] <robin__> I've tried twice, with the same result.
[18:42] <robin__> I'll try again.
[18:42] <robin__> brb
[18:43] <robin__> suriro: it worked!
[18:44] <robin__> suriro: thanks :) !
[18:44] <suriro> np
[18:45] <Malicious> hey Suriro.
[18:59] <alado2> can someone give me a tip of an small app in which i can batch resize photos
[19:07] <suriro> alado2: man convert
[19:13] <alado2> suriro: does that do batch conversions? cant seem to find that info
[19:21] <suriro> for i in *.jpg; do convert $i -resize 50% new_$i; done
[19:29] <alado2> suriro: i would recommend Phatch, just found it, works like a charm, even for my girlfriend..
[19:44] <slow-motion> hi
[19:53] <pmoney> Hi
[19:54] <pmoney> Anyone able to help out with a display resolution problem with Xubuntu Hardy?
[19:57] <pmoney> guess not, I will try back...
[20:22] <slow-motion>  <pmoney> Anyone able to help out with a display resolution problem with Xubuntu Hardy? < i have the problem too
[21:36] <Sopor> Hi.
[22:05] <slow-motion> n8
[23:49] <Seeeb> hey
[23:49] <Seeeb> how can i shut down xfce ?
[23:49] <Seeeb> (to run fluxbox)


 not sure if we have/need/ to do
 I fixed that
 Groovy is default.
 nice
 thanks!
 I had some lintian warnings that came from before One that is releated with cleaning and the other I don't get it,
 W: lubuntu-default-settings: executable-not-elf-or-script usr/share/Lubuntu/applications/lximage-qt-screenshot.desktop … W: lubuntu-default-settings: package-relation-with-self Breaks: lubuntu-default-settings (<< 1.0)
 The first one I believe we don't need anymore, since we use screengrab no.
 *now
 The second one, I think is safe to keep it lubuntu-default-settings «1.0 should be lxde.
[00:04] <wxl> i have griped about this before in the past but it didn't seem like a certain someone wanted to take it seriously, but i think we should override those with comments
[00:05] <kc2bez> wxl can fix it when he uploads it ;)
 I would leave it as a task for the other cycle. There is some clenaing to do. we have /usr/share/lubuntu and /usr/share/Lubuntu
[00:06] <wxl> heh you changed that desktop entry to NoDisplay=true because of that change
[00:06] <wxl> (screengrab)
[00:07] <wxl> i think the solution would be:
[00:07] <wxl>  1. remove th executable bit on that desktop entry or delete it altogether
[00:07] <wxl>  2. override the latter, citing the lxde/lxqt transition
 mmm, I'm not sure now If I don't delete it before because it coudl breaks something...
 mmm, maybe lxqt comes with that .desktop and we overide it
[00:09] <wxl> then remove the executable bit
 and move it to /usr/share/lubuntu/applications/* ?
 I mean, there is some investigation to do on that
[00:12] <wxl> naw i wouldn't worry about that for now
 good, I will leave it for 21.04, do we have codename?
[00:15] <kc2bez> h@x0r haddock
 heheh
[00:20] <kc2bez> wxl: that swap commit is only a few hours old. It hasn't made it to CI yet. I will give it go later.
[00:21] <wxl> ah there you go
[00:22] <kc2bez> It will be nice to have that back.
 LXQt is planning a new release for november
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1848
[01:06] <kc2bez> wxl: did you upload @HMollerCl 's change?
[16:34] <wxl> @kc2bez: no, i didn't. didn't know i was supposed to :) also afk
 No worries. I didn't either :). I just didn't want both of us doing it. XD
 I can do it tonight if you want wxl
[16:49] <wxl> @kc2bez: please and thank you
 @wxl @kc2bez regarding lxqt regular releases, we have ci/stable and ci/unstable? one point to lxqt latest release and the other to master?
 I'm thinking in how we can help lxqt for the releases.
[16:52] <wxl> well i think the real question is: what is the process? and ultimately that's something the project will need to decide
 yes, but I was thinking in testing
 It's easier for people to test from our ci than to build all lxqt fo testing
 Heya everyone
 I'm going to be around a lot more these days to help with the release
[17:45] <tsimonq2> I can start by reviewing and uploading Hans' package
[17:46] <tsimonq2> <wxl "i have griped about this before "> I did go to Lintian directly to fix some of this
[17:47] <tsimonq2> By the way, I'm on Matrix now
[17:47] <tsimonq2> I'll actually migrate to the Matrix channel I think heh...
[17:48] <tsimonq2> Oh wait, it's just the IRC bridge XD
[17:50] <kc2bez> O/ tsimonq2
[17:50] <kc2bez> thanks for the help.
[17:51] <kc2bez> hans pushed his changes to phab already.
[17:51] <tsimonq2> Yep, I saw :)
[17:51] <tsimonq2> Uploaded, tagged, pushed the tag
[17:51] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (groovy-proposed/universe) [20.04.4 => 20.10.1] (lubuntu)
[17:52] <tsimonq2> Funny enough, I had to do this for myself locally the other day
[17:52] <tsimonq2> So thanks Hans :)
 I should have done it before (not against the clock) I forgot that 20.10 had LO7 so the other bug was gone.
[18:16] <tsimonq2> What do you mean by that?
 your coment was about the env var, or something else?
 @tsimonq2
 the env var wasn't set because LO6  has a problem with it, but it is fixed in LO7.
[21:53] <wxl> @leokolb re bug 1898936 do you have similar issues with ubiquity?


[00:54] <Shirakawasuna> Hi all! I hope this isn't an inappropriate question to ask here, but I wanted to know if the software center has received significant speed improvements for the 12.10 release. It's a bit too slow for me, even with an i7 and 8Gb of ram, so I always use apt-get, but I used to love using it before the switch to html5
[00:56] <micahg> Shirakawasuna: if something is prohibitively slow, please file bugs
[00:58] <Shirakawasuna> It takes 15 seconds to even start
[00:58] <Shirakawasuna> My understanding is that this is normal, for 12.04, as I've used it on several different computers.
[00:58] <Shirakawasuna> Just wanted to know if anyone was aware of specific improvements/resolved bug reports on the matter
[01:02] <micahg> that might be the current status, but I wouldn't call taking 15 seconds to start normal
[01:03] <micahg> took about 10 seconds for me on a i7 w/a 7200rpm drive on precise, not sure about quantal
[01:05] <micahg> Bug #945524
[01:05] <ajmitch> as well as multiple apt-xapian-index bugs
[01:05] <micahg> aye, that too
[01:06] <ajmitch> the latter is probably what kills my system more
[01:06] <ajmitch> as a data point:
[01:06] <ajmitch> 2012-08-06 13:06:11,256 - softwarecenter.performance - DEBUG - ** main window fully ready after: 25.7654662132 seconds
[01:06] <ajmitch> just started it on my laptop with an SSD, with 12.04
[01:09]  * ajmitch does have an unusually large number of things in /etc/apt/sources.list, though :)
[05:07] <Shirakawasuna> micahg: thanks for the response earlier. I apologize for going afk without acknowledging it! That bug report looks very informative.
[08:02] <X-tonic> Hi, does ubuntu, ubuntu+1 support BTRFS yet?
[08:06] <Streamstormer> X-tonic, yes of course
[08:07] <Streamstormer> X-tonic, but the standard is ext4
[10:44] <simplew> isnt possible to have the sidebar tree in nautilus anymore???
[10:58] <graingert_ufo> simplew: you can use the nautilus from MATE
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:02] <nlsthzn> Hi all. Running the latest daily build of Lubuntu 12.10 in VBox.  Just installed the Guest Addtions and Scale Mode works but when I try Full Screen it stays small (1024x768) and doesn't fill the screen... Any ideas?
[14:03] <edgy> Hi, I got kernel panic when I modified GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="vga=normal memmap=0x10000\$0x354d80000 memmap=0x100000\$0x1ca170000 quiet splash"
[14:03] <edgy> any hint what's wrong?
[18:06] <shane_> can someone please tell me what are the required software sources for ubuntu 12.10, I think I must have deleted one two many when I reas removing some old ppa's where can I get a list please
[18:07] <shane_> my updates have stopped working
[18:11] <trism> shane_: default source.list from an install I just completed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1132951/
[18:11] <shane_> ok thanks I will take a look
[18:12] <trism> shane_: though you really only need main (but restricted universe and multiverse are nice to have)
[18:12] <shane_> thanks for your help trism, I was googling everywhere but it never come up with your link cheers
[19:07] <ls612> I was using 12.04, but the support folks on that IRC said that my hardware was only supported in 12.10
[19:07] <ls612> Where do I go to get 12.10?
[19:08] <trism> ls612: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3
[19:10] <ls612> trism: that would be a problem, as my issue with 12.04 is that I had no internet.
[19:10] <ls612> or cooling fan for that matter, but that's another story.
[19:11] <trism> ls612: there are links to downloading the cd there (and in the topic)
[19:12] <ls612> Oh, duh, I missed that what with it being clearly labeled. sorry.
[19:14] <ls612> trism: one more question, I have an intel i7 Ivy bridge proc. Should I get the PC (Intel x86) desktop CD or the 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD?
[19:21] <trism> ls612: depends on if you want to go 32 bit or 64 bit, I always go 64 bit myself now without many issues
[19:22] <trism> ls612: if you have 4gb+ ram you should probably go with the amd64 iso
[19:22] <ls612> Cool 64 bit it is. (I have 8 GB of RAM)
[19:22] <ls612> Thanks for your help.
[19:56] <Hanmac> some gnome dev say that my udev may be broken ... how can i check this?
[20:10] <edgy> Hi, I installed xubuntu-desktop and now the boot screen changed, I want my kubuntu-desktop screens back, how?
[20:11] <edgy> I tried sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[20:11] <edgy> and it's already set to: * 0            /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu-logo.plymouth   150       auto mode
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> edgy; if this is for version 12.04 or lower, please refer to #ubuntu for support
[20:12] <edgy> MrChrisDruif: this is quantal
[20:13] <trism> edgy: you would need to update the initramfs too, so it is usually easier to just reinstall the plymouth-theme-distro-logo package
[20:13] <edgy> trism: I did but still nothing changed
[20:13] <edgy> trism: I mean I did the initramfs but I haven't reinstalled that, let me try
[20:15] <edgy> trism: I now did sudo apt-get --reinstall install plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text
[20:15] <edgy> trism: that's it?
[20:17] <edgy> I will reboot now and see
[20:21] <edgy> trism: still same xubuntu screen
[20:21] <Hanmac> for some reason S.M.A.R.T. from udev is not detected anymore :( ... can someone helps me?
[20:22] <trism> edgy: yeah seems that the xubuntu ones have higher priority so that won't work, hmm
[20:22] <edgy> trism: how did you figure out it has higher priority?
[20:23] <Hanmac> and it seems that the xserver does play ugly games with me :'(
[20:23] <lamalex> hello, i'm trying to upgrade to quantal- but none of my normal methods are working! i'm doing do-release-upgrade -d and update-manager -d but neither one sees a new development releas
[20:23] <lamalex> is there  a trick im missng?
[20:25] <edgy> lamalex: isn't it better to make a fresh install?
[20:25] <trism> edgy: you can see the priority in the update-alternatives list, you may have to set default.plymouth and text.plymouth to your choices manually and then run update-initramfs
[20:25] <trism> edgy: or perhaps just uninstall the ones you don't want
[20:25] <lamalex> edgy, shouldnt be
[20:26] <edgy> trism: but in my case the first entry which is 0 is kubuntu like:  * 0            /lib/plymouth/themes/kubuntu-logo/kubuntu-logo.plymouth   150       auto mode
[20:27] <edgy> lamalex: trism I think the new version won't be available from that command till the developers think it's somehow usable
[20:28] <edgy> trism: but fresh install is always better because you avoid old configuration files and packages that are obseleted
[20:28] <trism> lamalex: you need to select all available upgrades in software-properties-gtk on the updates tab, since lts defaults upgrading lts to lts
[20:30] <Hanmac> soo ... can someone help me with my udev problem?
[20:31] <edgy> Hanmac: what's the command that shows SMART is not detected?
[20:31] <chris|> lamalex, vim /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change Prompt to normal, then run update-manager -d
[20:31] <Hanmac> edgy: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681311 << there is the bug history
[20:32] <lamalex> chris|, ah thank you
[20:32] <edgy> chris|: isn't that a default?
[20:32] <chris|> lamalex, for the future, update-manager uses http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ to check for new upgrade targets
[20:32] <chris|> edgy, not on lts
[20:34] <wilee-nilee> Hello, what is the daily zsync link I get a failed URL with this zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[20:35] <edgy> Hanmac: if you run smartctl manually does it work?
[20:37] <Hanmac> edgy ... yeah you could see the output that i added as attachment ...
[20:37] <Hanmac> i wonder why it does not work with gnome-disks ...
[20:38] <edgy> Hanmac: in gnome-disks you get what?
[20:38] <Hanmac> "SMART is not enabled" :(
[20:39] <edgy> Hanmac: you get that when  you click "view smart data?
[20:40] <Hanmac> i cant normaly because its greyed out ...
[20:40] <Hanmac> its seems to work after i do this 'echo change > /sys/block/sda/uevent' manualy
[20:40] <trism> wilee-nilee: looks like it failed to build today (that is the correct link)
[20:40] <edgy> Hanmac: on the bug they it's a distro thing, but in my case it works well
[20:41] <edgy> Hanmac: is this  a fresh installation?
[20:41] <wilee-nilee> trism, thanks I was wondering.
[20:42] <Hanmac> edgy no its an updated one ... (from oniric -> precise -> quantal)
[20:42] <edgy> Hanmac: I guess that could be the problem, can you try a liveCD or a fresh installation?
[20:43] <edgy> Hanmac: if that worked, and you are still curious, you can do a diff for the relavent dirs to see the cause but I doubt it's useful
[20:44] <Hanmac> hm ... i can test live cd later ... but a fresh installation, will do very later (October)
[20:44] <Hanmac> edgy can i ask you about xserver problems?
[20:44] <edgy> Hanmac: i am not an expert but feel free to ask
[20:46] <Hanmac> i dont know why but sometimes i get an white sceen, (that does not go away) and even the tty are white ... an idea what i can do? (i use ati card with mesa)
[20:47] <Hanmac> try to reboot your system when you see nothing :P
[20:48] <edgy> Hanmac: you installed the proprietary drivers?
[20:48] <edgy> Hanmac: try to use nomodeset on the kernel options or disable the framebuffer with vga=normal e.g
[20:49] <edgy> Hanmac: you can also check the X log files for any errors
[20:49] <edgy> Hanmac: I have to go now, good luck
[20:49] <Hanmac> no i use mesa ... fglrx is gone after last upgrade
[20:49] <edgy> Hanmac: did you check the logs?
[20:50] <edgy> Hanmac: still try the options I mentioned
[20:50] <edgy> bye
[23:27] <litropy> So, I'm using my laptop as a wireless repeater. It's receiving my network via wifi, and then I have it wired to another router (this router doesn't bridge). I find that during times of heavy data transfer, my laptop stops sending/receiving packets. It's still connected - iwconfig confirms that. What I have to do in order to resolve the issue is click the wireless icon in the menubar, then click the network I'm connected to. This te
[23:27] <litropy> lls network-manager to disconnect then reconnect, and then I start sending packets again. I'm trying to write a script to do this automatically. So, I need to know what command(s) network-manager is running when I do the "click the network again" dance.
[23:28] <litropy> Yes, I could rig up a better solution via wires, but I'm short of cash right now.
[23:30] <litropy> Furthermore, I understand this issue might be because "There is no any anti-flood protection enabled by default on ubuntu." (link at end), and I'm wondering if there are anti-flood solutions I can delve into. http://superuser.com/questions/320048/ubuntu-network-stop-working-after-heavy-load-of-packets-received


[03:13] <LibertyWeNeed> I just tried to connect to Ubuntu chatroom and a pop up message says i have been banned. Does anyone know why?
[03:13] <LibertyWeNeed> I am using Adium for Mac
[03:13] <LibertyWeNeed> And I had to recently reinstall my OS, which meant setting up IRC again
[03:13] <zykotick9> LibertyWeNeed: you made it ok ;)
[03:14] <LibertyWeNeed> zykotick9, thanks
[08:44] <k1l> LibertyWeNeed: hi
[08:45] <LibertyWeNeed> hello
[08:47] <k1l> the hoster you use is banned from the ubuntu channels due to offering free vpns and proxies that were used by malicious people to disturb the channels
[08:48] <LibertyWeNeed> ?
[08:49] <LibertyWeNeed> I think this a false positive
[08:49] <LibertyWeNeed> I haven't had any troubles before
[08:50] <k1l> what channel are we talking about?
[08:50] <LibertyWeNeed> #ubuntu
[08:51] <k1l> do you use a vpn?
[08:52] <LibertyWeNeed> I don't have one on this computer, but my router has one
[08:53] <k1l> yeah, looking at your ips you joined with, you are using vpns. this one you use was abused by trolls. so that ip range got banned.
[08:54] <LibertyWeNeed> What am I suppose to do?
[08:54] <k1l> use another vpn which doesnt get abused and doesnt get banned then. or use your real ip to connect.
[08:58] <LibertyWeNeed> I can't use my real IP otherwise I can't access the internet properly, doesn't function properly with blocked sites, bandwidth throttling, DPI (assuming) and alot of other stuff. Also I can't change my VPN provider because it has been paid for and I have no other issues other than when trying to connect to Ubuntu. I don't understand why I must be punished for what others have done.
[08:58] <Myrtti> other options include bouncers and similar services
[08:59] <LibertyWeNeed> I don't know what that means
[09:02] <Myrtti> bouncer is a software running on a remote server (so not reliant on your ip) that you connect your client to just like you would to a server. It handles the connection to the IRC networks, and thus, displays the remote servers ip, not yours.
[09:03] <LibertyWeNeed> So what do I have to do?
[09:17] <k1l> or make an accound on kiwiirc.com
[09:17] <LibertyWeNeed> maybe, but I think it's more trouble than its worth since I did nothing wrong
[09:18] <k1l> LibertyWeNeed: the problem is you are using a vpn service that got abused by trolls very often and is now banned. while you did nothing wrong you cant use that vpn service anymore to use the ubuntu channel.
[09:19] <LibertyWeNeed> What do I tell my VPN provider then? or ask them
[09:19] <LibertyWeNeed> ?
[09:21] <Myrtti> there are other options, such as irccloud or requesting a ban exemption.
[09:21] <k1l> ban excemption doesnt make sense, since he uses a vpnwith changing ips.
[09:22] <LibertyWeNeed> I don't have control over what IP's i get other than the country
[09:23] <Myrtti> k1l: not even on an account name ;-?
[09:29] <LibertyWeNeed> I think this is an example of discrimination by association. I would appreciate if you can un ban me. But if not I may have to reconsider using the Ubuntu chatroom which is sad.
[09:30] <k1l> LibertyWeNeed: we are not discriminating you. you could easily connect with your real ip
[09:30] <k1l> or with other options we named you already
[09:31] <LibertyWeNeed> That is dangerous for me to do. Besides why go to this extra effort. I have a registered IRC account, so you can look up to see if it was me or not.
[09:31] <LibertyWeNeed> I can't reveal my IP because the internet is useless without it
[09:31] <LibertyWeNeed> without the vpn
[09:33] <LibertyWeNeed> I think I will just stick with trisquel and other more accepting IRC channels
[09:34] <LibertyWeNeed> I am sorry you don't understand.
[09:35] <popey> LibertyWeNeed: to be fair the only conversations you've started in #ubuntu recently have been offtopic
[09:35] <popey> so other channels might be better for your discussion topics anyway.
[09:37] <LibertyWeNeed> If I really was a troll do you think I would be complaining about it and using the same username? I am leaving right now because I feel that the Ubuntu community has forgotten why it started. Good bye folks
[09:38] <popey> Ok then.
[09:38] <Myrtti> for the record, most extbans work in all the banlike modes, so b,q,e,I can work with $a:accountname
[09:39] <Myrtti> someone was just reminded to add that to the new kb.
[16:12] <Pici> tomorrow...
[16:17] <Pici> just a reminder to not switch factoids, at release, poke me about changing the config variables and most things should apply automagically.
[17:03] <PsychoBoB> please guys
[17:03] <PsychoBoB> remove me that list of banned users in #ubuntu
[17:04] <PsychoBoB> I cannot join in the channel
[17:05] <Pici> PsychoBoB: one moment
[17:06] <k1l> hi PsychoBoB
[17:06] <k1l> so you know why you were banned back then?
[17:10] <PsychoBoB> no... =(
[17:11] <k1l> well, trolled #ubuntu with playing a dumb user that could not properly speak english.
[17:11] <k1l> !guidelines | PsychoBoB please read the channel rules
[17:12] <PsychoBoB> k1l, I don't speak english man
[17:12] <PsychoBoB> I'm learning
[17:12] <PsychoBoB> Sorry
[17:12] <Pici> What is your native language?
[17:12] <PsychoBoB> portuguese
[17:12] <PsychoBoB> I am from Brazil
[17:13] <k1l> PsychoBoB: then you dont want to use #ubuntu anyway. better ask in #ubuntu-br
[17:13] <Pici> PsychoBoB: #ubuntu-br would probably be better for you then.  They have rules too though: http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/IRC/Regras
[17:14] <PsychoBoB> But i want use two chanells
[17:14] <k1l> PsychoBoB: if you dont understand english that doesnt make sense.
[17:14] <PsychoBoB> why not?
[17:14] <k1l> last times you only made nonsense and trollt in #ubuntu. that is the reason you got banned.
[17:14] <PsychoBoB> it's obligatory speak english?
[17:15] <Pici> In #ubuntu, yes.
[17:15] <PsychoBoB> this ban is equal to life imprisonment?
[17:15] <k1l> and since you dont want to read the channel rules that only tells us you want to troll again.
[17:15] <PsychoBoB> I never will can go to ubuntu?
[17:16] <k1l> you say you dont understand english and dont want to read the channel rules. so that doesnt make sense you go to #ubuntu anyway.
[17:17] <PsychoBoB> I read the rules
[17:17] <PsychoBoB> And I'm learning English
[17:18] <PsychoBoB> It's very several this ban
[17:20] <k1l_> ok so you have read the channel guidelines and will follow them in future? this is already your second chance, keep that in mind.
[17:24] <PsychoBoB> do you not help me
 ok so you have read the channel guidelines and will follow them in future? this is already your second chance, keep that in mind.
[17:25] <k1l_> do you have read the guidelines and will follow the channel rules in future?
[17:26] <PsychoBoB> Yeah!
[17:26] <PsychoBoB> I agree
[17:27] <PsychoBoB> I need knows more about the new ubuntu
[17:27] <PsychoBoB> 16.04
[17:27] <k1l_> ok, i will remove the ban. be keep in mind, that you already were banned and snother ban will not be lifted that easy
[17:30] <k1l_> PsychoBoB: if that is all please leave this channel.
[17:31] <PsychoBoB> here just ops?
[17:32] <k1l_> yes
[17:32] <PsychoBoB> ok
[17:32] <PsychoBoB> not to be rude withe me, i don't know it
[17:33] <PsychoBoB> bye k1l_ and thanks for the gelp
[17:33] <PsychoBoB> help
[17:33] <k1l_> ok, bye.
[17:33] <Pici> er, okay