[12:53] <ychouchane> hello
[12:54] <ychouchane> Someone can help me to configure Edubuntu
[12:55] <ychouchane> to use it like a TSE
[12:55] <ychouchane> because now u need tow ethernet card, but i have only one card and i want my user connect on edubuntu like tse ?
[12:55] <ychouchane> thanls to u
[12:59] <ychouchane> can u have forum to help us please?
[13:01] <ychouchane> \join #ltsp
[13:01] <ychouchane> sorry
[13:06] <highvoltage> ychouchane: in the installer you can choose your primary card, you just have to confirm that you actually want to use it
[13:06] <ychouchane> highvoltage, i think i have choose my eth0
[13:06] <ychouchane> but i give his adress ip
[13:07] <ychouchane> and we can connect on the network
[13:29] <ychouchane> highvoltage, i have start my edubuntu 12.04 server
[13:30] <ychouchane> can u explain how i can configurer this please ?
[13:33] <highvoltage> ychouchane: what's the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file? that's where your network settings are configured.
[13:35] <alkisg> highvoltage: btw we have some python code in sch-scripts that creates a static network connection using the dbus interface of network-manager, do you think edubuntu could use something similar?
[13:35] <alkisg> (in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections)
[13:35] <ychouchane> highvoltage, -> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/406/ychatychouchanefreenode.jpg/
[13:41] <highvoltage> alkisg: I was actually wondering if we could do something more network-managery
[13:41] <highvoltage> ychouchane: ok, so with that you should have LTSP, but no other network access right?
[13:42] <highvoltage> ychouchane: did you usually have eth0 configured with dhcp?
[13:42] <ychouchane> no
[13:42] <ychouchane> i have an other dhcp
[13:42] <ychouchane> and i can change it by edubuntu
[13:42] <alkisg> highvoltage: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/sch-scripts/ip_dialog.py and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/sch-scripts/ip_dialog.ui
[13:42] <alkisg> And a picture of it running, ts.sch.gr/wiki/File:Ip_dialog.png
[13:42] <ychouchane> i need the other dhcp
[13:42] <ychouchane> but i want connect other machine to the ltps edubuntu
[13:43] <highvoltage> ychouchane: ok, when you install ltsp on edubuntu, it also sets up a dhcp server
[13:43] <ychouchane> to do that i need my ltps edubuntu don't be a dhcp server just a ltps
[13:43] <ychouchane> we don't have choice, edubuntu have a dhcp server by default ?
[13:47] <highvoltage> ychouchane: yes... if you chose ltsp on the installer
[13:47] <highvoltage> ychouchane: you can disable it by:
[13:47] <highvoltage> ychouchane: sudo service isc-dhcp-server stop
[13:47] <highvoltage> ychouchane: sudo mv /etc/init/isc-dhcp-server /etc/init/isc-dhcp-server.disabled
[13:48] <highvoltage> ychouchane: to get the info that you need to add to your other dhcp server, you could check the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file
[13:48] <highvoltage> I *think* there's a section in the LTSP manual for using an external dhcp server
[13:49] <ychouchane> highvoltage, i think i dont understand wath exactly is ltps
[13:49] <ychouchane> i think i compar it by a windows server tse
[13:49] <ychouchane> system
[13:49] <ychouchane> so why u need a dhcp to use ltps
[13:50] <ychouchane> i want some client with boot with other dcp but connect on my edubutun to use application o it
[13:50] <highvoltage> ychouchane: so, with ltsp, a machine boot over the network without requiring any hard disk or local media
[13:51] <highvoltage> ychouchane: so you need to run dhcp in order to provide information like what the machine's IP address is, where to get a kernel/initramfs, which remote filesystem to mount and which application server to connect to
[13:51] <highvoltage> ychouchane: so you want desktops that already installed to connect to a session on the edubuntu machine?
[13:52] <ychouchane> well in fact i have this on my parc --> o you want desktops that already installed to connect to a session on the edubuntu machine?
[13:52] <ychouchane> sorry
[13:52] <ychouchane> i have this Pc --> http://www.axel.com/fr2/id_M80F.html
[13:52] <ychouchane> and som windows Xp and 7 pc
[13:52] <ychouchane> i know i will make a dia graphique of what i want
[13:54] <highvoltage> ychouchane: yeah it doesn't seem to mention which cpu and how much ram it has. so I can't say for sure whether it would work for ltsp.
[13:54] <highvoltage> ychouchane: ok :)
[13:55] <highvoltage> too bad we don't have a working freerdp server yet. that's probably good for cases like these.
[14:02] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, we have a deployment that claims to run 12.10 already :)
[14:02] <stgraber> highvoltage: that's scary
[14:07] <highvoltage> stgraber: I guess they just chose the highest version, perhaps it should have "(development version)" next to 12.10 or perhaps the development versions should just not be shown on the dropdown list yet
[14:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: are you up for an edubuntu google+ hangout some time?
[14:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: we want to do more of them to cover some topics
[14:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: I think we should do one on 25 July to talk about tablets and our short/long-term goals there
[14:14] <alkisg> Ah, that sounds better, cause today I'm a bit preoccupied with some stuff
[14:14] <alkisg> Getting some paperwork done, getting ready for vacations etc
[14:15] <alkisg> Do google+ hangouts involve headsets?
[14:15] <highvoltage> cool
[14:15] <highvoltage> you can use headsets or just your built-in speaker/microphone if you have one
[14:15] <highvoltage> but yes, it involves video/audio
[14:15] <alkisg> Cool, got both
[14:16] <highvoltage> alkisg, stgraber, mgariepy: Is July 25 17:00 UTC good for you?
[14:16] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, that should work for me
[14:17]  * alkisg can't say for sure, as he hasn't programmed his vacations fullly yet, but it sounds ok
[14:18] <alkisg> Maybe I'll be talking to you from some hotel near a beach... no harm there :D
[14:18] <highvoltage> alkisg: ok, I'll schedule it so long and hopes that it gives you enough time to plan around :)
[14:18] <highvoltage> alkisg: yeah that would be cool!
[14:19] <ychouchane> so one this pictuse u can see my TSE system with microsoft --> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/linuxtse.jpg/ And i want add a LTPS on my network
[14:19] <ychouchane> so i want people connect on the ltsp to make internet java application, and internet
[14:20] <ychouchane> highvoltage, sorry i do it fast
[14:20] <ychouchane> it's not perfect
[14:20] <ychouchane> on the first picture is a network with a windows server tse
[14:20] <ychouchane> and on the picture is what i want do
[14:20] <ychouchane> add a ltsp on my network
[14:21] <ychouchane> with one ethernet card and i want connect my client on it
[14:21] <ychouchane> like rdp do it
[14:21] <ychouchane> what do u think please
[14:25] <alkisg> ychouchane: do you want to boot your clients to LTSP, or just to connect to it while the clients are booted to windows?
[14:25] <ychouchane> i want ùy client connect to it while the client are booted to windows
[14:25] <ychouchane> or other os
[14:26] <alkisg> What other OS?
[14:26] <ychouchane> because my axel x80f have is OS
[14:26] <alkisg> If you don't want to boot the clients with Linux, they you don't want LTSP
[14:26] <ychouchane> alkisg, the other os is the os my the Axel x80f
[14:26] <ychouchane> :/
[14:26] <alkisg> To connect to a Linux desktop from a Windows client, a good option is x2go
[14:26] <ychouchane> so ltps not for my need
[14:26] <alkisg> LTSP is for booting linux over the local network
[14:27] <alkisg> From there, you can connect to windows with rdesktop or to the linux ltsp server
[14:27] <ychouchane> ok alkisg thanks
[14:27] <alkisg> So LTSP is fine for you if you want to boot your clients with a small linux OS and *then* use rdesktop for windows and LDM for linux
[14:27] <ychouchane> so and of the story fot ltsp for me
[14:28] <alkisg> But if you want your clients to boot to windows e.g. locally, then LTSP isn't for you
[14:28] <ychouchane> the probleme i have many of th axelx80f
[14:28] <alkisg> ychouchane: do your clients have hard disks?
[14:28] <alkisg> ...I mean, local OS?
[14:28] <ychouchane> i don't  think he can boot on the network
[14:29] <ychouchane> no
[14:29] <alkisg> How are they booted then?
[14:29] <ychouchane> he boot herself
[14:30] <ychouchane> alkisg, i have this --> http://www.axel.com/fr2/id_M80F.html
[14:30] <mgariepy> highvoltage, july 25 isn't good for me. i'll be on vacation.
[14:30] <alkisg> All your clients are like that one?
[14:31] <ychouchane> i have some wize
[14:31] <ychouchane> but many of this axelx80f
[14:31] <highvoltage> mgariepy: ok, I'll make sure to plan the following topic where we talk about servers on a time that you can be there
[14:32] <alkisg> ychouchane: it looks like it can boot from the network
[14:33] <alkisg> So yeah, it looks fine for LTSP
[14:36] <ychouchane> alkisg, good things
[14:36] <ychouchane> so now i need to found how configure a ltps server iwth dhcp from windows
[14:37] <alkisg> That's documented in the wiki
[14:37] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
[14:37] <alkisg> Either that, or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
[14:38] <alkisg> Both will work, if you can change the windows DHCP configuration go with the first one, if you cannot, then the second one
[14:38] <highvoltage> ooh, in drupal 7 you can finally approve comments without having to go to some awkward admin page for that
[15:59] <stgraber> alkisg: can we convince you to add the greek schools to http://www.edubuntu.org/deployments ? :)
[15:59] <alkisg> stgraber: I thought we're going to have a global map in ltsp.org, aren't we?
[16:00] <alkisg> Once we do, I'll inform the schools (we don't add them ourselves in case they don't want to)
[16:00] <highvoltage> I guess that would be for ltsp deployments specifically (not all the edubuntu ones are ltsp)
[16:00] <highvoltage> and that would probably only go up once the ltsp website is up
[16:00] <highvoltage> that could still be years
[16:00] <highvoltage> (sorry bad joke)
[16:00] <alkisg> Makes sense... but all deployments here are LTSP ones, not sure what percentage uses edubuntu
[16:00] <alkisg> Hehe Hyperbyte heard that? ^ :DS
[16:03] <highvoltage> alkisg: could the people at the schools add it perhaps? perhaps you could link it from the forums?
[16:03] <alkisg> I can put a link in the forum, sure
[17:33] <highvoltage> cool :)


[00:00] <wgrant> Bert_2: It's the table at the top of the bug page that shows status/importance/etc.
[00:00] <Bert_2> wgrant: mmm, on submitting a filled in bug my instance now errors on that
[00:01] <wgrant> What's the error?
[00:01] <wgrant> Could be another missing celebrity breaking a permission check
[00:02] <Bert_2> here's the full oopsinfo: http://pastebin.com/dzEKFBYd
[00:03] <Bert_2> it seems to be the case I cannot view bugdetails, only the table of bugs
[00:03] <Bert_2> the oops I gave you is shown on displaying a specific bug
[00:03] <wgrant> Ah, I think I know what that is.
[00:03] <wgrant> Give me a sec
[00:04] <Bert_2> take your time ;)
[00:10] <wgrant> Bert_2: On https://launchpad.dev/ubuntu/+edit (or the equivalent for your domain), select 'Bugs in this project are tracked in Launchpad'
[00:12] <Bert_2> wgrant: did that, and it fixed it :O
[00:12] <Bert_2> so, why was it not working and why is it now ?
[00:13] <wgrant> If you click on the expander icon at the left of the task table, you'll see that the Distribution widget defaults to Ubuntu
[00:13] <wgrant> That's a bit of a hack -- it's hardcoded
[00:14] <wgrant> The widget is configured to only show distros that track their bugs in Launchpad, so the default value of Ubuntu was illegal.
[00:14] <Bert_2> the Target:Distribution:Ubuntu thing you mean ?
[00:14] <wgrant> Yeah
[00:14] <Bert_2> oh, I see
[00:15] <Bert_2> thanks a lot man, I'm pretty sure I couldn't have found that by myself :p
[00:17] <wgrant> Yeah, it was pretty obscure, but I was able to guess it right away as I've had the misfortune of running into that code before.
[00:18] <wgrant> I'm fixing the script to add those essential celebrities and set that Ubuntu bit
[00:18] <Bert_2> wgrant: awesome, that'll help a lot of people out in the future
[00:19] <Bert_2> now as we'll be using bugs, answers and bluepints I'll let you know if I run into any more issues so the script is fully up to date ;)
[00:19] <wgrant> Yup
[00:19] <Bert_2> awesome :D
[00:33] <Bert_2> wgrant: thanks again for your help, now I'm off to bed, bye
[00:33] <wgrant> Bert_2: Night.
[00:47] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1109290/
[00:48] <StevenK> wgrant: I wouldn't expect subscriber to be there for the new tests -- so I'm guessing I have something backward
[00:49] <wgrant> StevenK: Will look soon
[01:10] <StevenK> wgrant: Is it soon yet? :-)
[01:11] <spm> StevenK: it is "Too Sooooon!"
[01:21] <wgrant> StevenK: +        subscribers = BugSubscriberSet().union(
[01:21] <wgrant> +            self.structural_subscribers,
[01:21] <wgrant> +            self.all_pillar_owners_without_bug_supervisors,
[01:21] <wgrant> +            self.all_assignees)
[01:21] <wgrant> StevenK: None of those seem to be filtered
[01:37] <StevenK> wgrant: I thought self.structural_subscribers would be? Although the structuralsubscription model code is messy at best
[01:38] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, but the others aren't...
[01:40] <StevenK> self.all_pillar_owners_without_bug_supervisors probably does not require filtering
[01:41] <StevenK> self.all_assignees is currently causing me grief
[01:41] <wgrant> It requires filtering
[01:41] <wgrant> To /dev/null
[01:41] <wgrant> That's the thing we said we were going to delete
[01:41] <wgrant> On the basis that it doesn't make sense
[01:41] <StevenK> Ah
[01:41] <wgrant> And things that don't make any senses probably shouldn't exists
[01:41]  * StevenK deletes it
[01:41] <wgrant> -plurals
[01:41]  * wgrant stabs the branch scanner
[01:41] <wgrant> StevenK: Separate branch
[01:41] <StevenK> :-(
[01:42] <wgrant> Probably the same branch as the bug supervisor default sub removal
[01:42] <StevenK> Which is *after* this branch. Bah.
[01:42] <wgrant> Nah
[01:42] <wgrant> Can be before this branch
[01:42] <wgrant> Bug supervisor default structsub removal, that is
[01:42] <wgrant> Not the default private_bugs direct subscription
[02:27] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1109408/ Ignoring the printf debugging, it seems like forbidden_recipients_filter and forbidden_subscribers are backwards
[02:29] <wgrant> StevenK: What suggests that?
[02:30] <StevenK> wgrant: My printf debugging does
[02:30] <wgrant> Specific examples?
[02:31] <wgrant> Ah
[02:31] <wgrant> Well, yes, forbidden_subscribers is backwards
[02:31] <wgrant> So I'd suggest making it not backwards
[02:31] <StevenK> So forbidden_recipients_filter is backward?
[02:31] <wgrant> forbidden_recipients_filter returns Storm conditions that restrict the returned subscriptions to those which have access
[02:34] <StevenK> Oh, damn it, that is still keyed on BugSubscription
[02:34] <StevenK> I need both BugSubscription and StructuralSubscription
[02:38] <StevenK> So no wonder it returns [] :-(
[03:12] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1109443/ is the StructuralSubscription query
[03:15] <wgrant> StevenK: Does it work?
[03:15] <wgrant> lifeless: Is bzrlib's Graph.find_difference meant to be slow?
[03:16] <wgrant> lifeless: It's taking upwards of 5 minutes to calculate for one of my LP branches. It was about 5000 mainline revs behind devel, and it chokes on the merge I did yesterday.
[03:21] <lifeless> it uses _find_border_ancestors
[03:21] <lifeless> which notes: This will scale with the number of uncommon ancestors.
[03:21] <lifeless> wgrant: what is it doing? Can you lsprof it ?
[03:27] <wgrant> lifeless: My smaller test cases are 5x faster after a pack. Trying the original case again now
[03:30] <wgrant>      1039155            0      2.3077      2.3077   <method 'extend' of 'list' objects>
[03:30] <wgrant> blink
[03:31] <wgrant> That takes 11s unprofiled, and it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- the former rev being a merge from devel a week ago, so it's only a week of revisions.
[03:32] <wgrant> After packing the full 14-month diff takes 150s.
[03:34] <wgrant> I'm not quite sure why calculating a 277-node graph difference requires more than a million list extends...
[03:35] <lifeless> I don't, at this remove, remember which apis are fast and which are not.
[03:35] <lifeless> I *think* this is meant to be fast
[03:45] <StevenK> wgrant: No, which is why I'm pasting it
[03:45] <wgrant> And 476s for the full diff on an unpacked repo.
[03:45] <wgrant> StevenK: What doesn't it do?
[03:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Note that that is finding forbidden subscribers
[03:46] <StevenK> wgrant: I thought Not(Or(*get_bug_privacy...) would filter out forbiddens
[03:48] <wgrant> StevenK: get_bug_privacy_filter filters bugs based on privacy
[03:49] <wgrant> You use it when you want bugs that are visible to someone
[03:49] <wgrant> Read it :)
[03:49] <wgrant> The first clause it returns is information_type.is_in(PUBLIC_INFORMATION_TYPES)
[03:50] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, so it looks like the filtering in the depths of structural subscriptions was backward
[04:01] <StevenK> IntegrityError: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "accesspolicy__product__type__key"
[04:01] <StevenK> DETAIL:  Key (product, type)=(27, 4) already exists.
[04:01] <StevenK> :-(
[04:48] <StevenK> wgrant, wallyworld: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/one-linkcve/+merge/116582
[04:50] <wallyworld> StevenK: so you no longer need @export_operation_as('linkCVE')
[04:51] <StevenK> Oh, duh
[04:52] <wallyworld> other than that looks ok i think
[04:52] <StevenK> wallyworld: And it's -15 now :-)
[04:53] <StevenK> wallyworld: That change has pushed
[04:53] <wallyworld> done
[04:54] <StevenK> wallyworld: Thanks
[04:54] <wallyworld> np
[05:13] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you have a suggestion how to squeeze filtering into BugSubsciptionInfo.duplicate_subscriptions ? I've been thinking about using filter_forbidden_subscriptions, but the multiple dupes thing is tripping me up.
[07:52] <adeuring> good morning
[08:16] <jml> has the font rendering on Launchpad changed recently?
[08:16] <czajkowski> jml: yes I think huw as working on that
[08:17] <czajkowski> dont know if it landed though
[08:17] <jml> czajkowski: as in, "it's a bug and huw is fixing it", or as in, "yes, and it's a work in progress", or as in, "yes. tremble at our newly attained beauty?"
[08:18] <jml> certainly looks nicer to me :)
[08:19] <czajkowski> he was working on it
[08:19] <czajkowski> it's not a bug
[08:19] <czajkowski> and I think the code was landed and rolled out
[08:20] <czajkowski> so yes praise our new beauty!
[08:21] <jml> czajkowski: :)
[09:06] <wgrant> stub: The sampledata changes are not noise. There are two new product columns that I added last week, and one removed from bugsummary.
[09:07] <wgrant> But they were all changes made by patches, so nothing to review.
[09:25] <stub> wgrant: cool.
[10:49] <Ergo^> morning
[10:49] <Ergo^> gmb, ping
[10:50] <czajkowski> Ergo^: as I said yesterday, already, he's offline for 2 weeks.
[10:50] <Ergo^> yes, jsut noticed he showed online now ;-)
[10:51] <czajkowski> yes a lot of us run screens and while we're connected we may not always be here
[10:51] <jelmer> czajkowski: to be fair, some launchpadders seem to have trouble with the concept of "holidays" :P
[10:51] <czajkowski> jelmer: yes you and wgrant do, gmb doesn't :)
[10:52] <Ergo^> seems my xchat client shows "away" statuses, with delay
[10:54] <czajkowski> mpt: I have a bug for you!
[10:54] <czajkowski> payback!
[10:54] <mpt> czajkowski, mmmm, delicious
[10:55] <czajkowski> mpt: mind if I show it to you
[10:55] <czajkowski> much easier than me attempting to explain
[10:55] <czajkowski> .c
[10:55] <mpt> I am waiting with bated breath
[11:53] <wgrant> wallyworld, rick_h_: I think your JS changes may have conflicted, as I have a failure on ec2.
[11:53] <wgrant> actual    = ["Failure in /var/launchpad/test/lib/lp/bugs/javascript/tests/test_duplicates.html.lp.bugs.duplicates_tests.test_duplicate_form_submission_success: Unexpected error: Result of expression 'uri' [undefined] is not an object."]
[11:54] <wallyworld> hmm. let me check
[11:54] <wgrant> That's the only failure
[11:56] <wallyworld> buildbot seems happy so far but i think the yui tests are run near the end
[11:56] <wgrant> Yeah, this was in the last 5 minutes of the test suite
[11:56] <wallyworld> bollocks
[11:56] <wgrant> I have another instance 15 minutes behind that hasn't failed yet
[11:56] <wgrant> Ah
[11:56] <wgrant> Now it has
[11:56] <wgrant> In the last two minutes
[11:57] <wallyworld> i'll have to pull devel and take a look
[11:57] <wallyworld> but i have something i need to attend to first
[11:59] <rick_h_> wgrant: looking, yea bet it's something with the lp.client changes
[11:59] <rick_h_> I renamed lp_original_uri to just uri looking at wallyworld's change to see if something there didn't agree since tests passed on my end.
[12:06] <wallyworld> i didn't make any lp client changes
[12:06] <rick_h_> wallyworld: right I did, and wonder if you used it in any way that broke
[12:06] <rick_h_> I'm pulling and updating, will run the tests and see
[12:06] <wallyworld> ok, thanks
[12:07] <wallyworld> i used a couple of 'standard' methods
[12:07] <rick_h_> right, nothing jumped out at me when I reviewed it yesterday, but will look
[12:09] <Ergo^> http://www.happyprog.com/tdgotchi/?repost=true
[12:14] <rick_h_> wallyworld: wgrant one word fix, going to just submit straight to pqm to keep from killing buildbot all day if that's cool
[12:14] <wallyworld> rick_h_: go for it, thanks!
[12:15] <wallyworld> rick_h_: the current build will fail to you will need to force it when it happens
[12:15] <rick_h_> wallyworld: will do, thanks for the reminder. Will keep an eye on it
[12:15] <wallyworld> np, thanks for fixing
[13:17] <rick_h_> deryck: ping, got a quick sec?
[13:17] <deryck> rick_h_, sure.  what's up?
[13:17] <rick_h_> deryck: helping popey help someone with an issue using ubuntu-bug and sent me a screenshot: http://uploads.mitechie.com/lp/lp_bug_screenshot.png anything look strange that would toss an error you know of off the top of your head?
[13:18] <rick_h_> deryck: wondering if () in the summary or something?
[13:19] <czajkowski> rick_h_: we give rather usless error help don't we
[13:19] <rick_h_> czajkowski: :) could be a bit better I suppose
[13:19] <deryck> rick_h_, no, it shouldn't choke over the parens.
[13:20] <deryck> rick_h_, there's some required field or something not displayed.  I wonder if something in extra options was set incorrectly somehow?
[13:20] <deryck> rick_h_, or some field with bad data.
[13:22] <rick_h_> deryck: ok, I'll see if I can get some more info and maybe talk him into submitting it manually to make sure that works
[13:22] <deryck> rick_h_, or maybe he already filed a bug against the token and it's no longer valid? The random number thing in the url is what links to the apport filed data.  Maybe something there.
[13:22] <rick_h_> deryck: yea, this was an ubuntu-bug ... filing
[13:25] <Ergo^> rick_h_, change that message to Error: Success, that will teach them
[13:25] <rick_h_> deryck: ok cool, looks like a bad tag name: rc-6.0.0-0ubuntu5~test1
[13:33] <deryck> oh dang, standup time.
[13:33] <deryck> rick_h_, abentley, adeuring -- coming, sorry.  forgot time.
[13:34] <rick_h_> deryck: rgr
[13:36] <deryck> adeuring, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6e08b518c64d571c487a6e9da883b81733756c2d?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:18] <abentley> adeuring: Why does test_run_missing_ready_does_not_return_results call a script instead of running the code in-process?
[14:19] <adeuring> abentley: I can't remember exactly... Might be related to config dteails.
[14:35] <rick_h_> abentley: can you peek at https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/no_more_tmp/+merge/116663 when you get a sec, short one
[14:37] <abentley> rick_h_: You're creating a directory named ${buildout:yui-directory}/yui-${:yui_version}.zip ?
[14:38] <rick_h_> abentley: yea, because I copy out to yui-${:yui_version}
[14:38] <rick_h_> it was either that or create a tmp directory in there to extract/copy out of
[14:38] <rick_h_> and that just seemed like creating a dir for no good reason
[14:39] <abentley> Does this avoid creating a directory? It sounds like it would just be a different name if you created a tmp directory.
[14:40] <rick_h_> abentley: right, this avoids creating the directory and extracting to it vs just extracting straight to yui-version.zip as a dir
[14:40] <rick_h_> it's extracting the yui-version.zip from source-deps into build/js/ and then pulling only the build (no tests, docs, etc) from that zip into build/js/yui-3.3.0
[14:41] <abentley> rick_h_: I find extensions in directory names surprising.  Would ${buildout:yui-directory}/yui-${:yui_version}-extracted or ${buildout:yui-directory}/yui-${:yui_version}-tmp or something work for you?
[14:41] <rick_h_> abentley: sure thing, all the same to me.
[14:41] <rick_h_> will update, thanks
[14:41] <abentley> rick_h_: r=me.
[14:48] <sinzui> mrevell: do you have time to talk
[14:49] <mrevell> sinzui, I think I'm just about to going into a meeting . I'm in the new London office.
[14:50] <sinzui> okay. If you have time today. ping me for a short talk about my anxieties.
[14:52]  * czajkowski hugs sinzui
[14:52] <czajkowski> sinzui: read the warthogs mail
[14:52] <czajkowski> and did laugh
[14:52] <czajkowski> worst holiday from hell?
[14:54] <sinzui> My in-laws invited me to the same beach for another week of near-death-experiences at the end of August
[14:54] <czajkowski> sinzui: will you be going ?
[14:54] <sinzui> I am uncertain. My wife and kids will
[14:57] <jcsackett> sinzui: avoid the beach bugs.
[14:57] <sinzui> czajkowski: : this is the non-published link of what I did yesterday. I gave up trying to get the flashes out of the video since it is a known openshot tansition bug: http://youtu.be/Vq6VsKuFY_o
[14:58] <sinzui> jcsackett: since Anne did not select the house, there is no guarantee there will be internet.
[14:58] <czajkowski> sinzui: cheers
[14:58] <sinzui> I guess I could take the car and drive 2.5 hours to get to that Chinese restaurant
[14:58] <czajkowski> sinzui: or... you could tkae a holiday
[14:59] <czajkowski> dear purple squad you need to learn how to take off your holidays properly
[14:59] <jcsackett> czajkowski: in addition to his many allergies, sinzui has a fatal allergy to not working on launchpad.
[14:59] <czajkowski> jcsackett: so does wgrant
[15:00] <sinzui> My meditation is TDD. Zen and the Art of Test Driven Development. I don't have to work on Lp, but I need to do something.
[15:00] <mrevell> sinzui, Hey, I have 15 minutes now or longer than that in 90 minutes. Which works best for you?
[15:00] <czajkowski> sinzui: arduinos ?
[15:01] <jcsackett> oh, yeah. we should get him started on that. i need to know more people doing arduino hacking.
[15:02] <jcsackett> sinzui: can i grab you after you're done talking to mrevell?
[15:02] <sinzui> mrevell: now would be fine
[15:02] <mrevell> sinzui, I'll grab a room
[15:02] <sinzui> mrevell: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/410f6d1a701063146f8bb2bc46e26dfa04cd2539?authuser=0&hl=en when you are ready
[15:05] <deryck> rick_h_, hey, not sure if it's inviting you:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/73a8173804e27710a1abf877e26aefe3848f70d3?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:17] <abentley> frankban: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/enable-tests/+merge/116678 ?
[15:17] <frankban> sure abentley
[15:19] <sinzui> mrevell: http://youtu.be/Vq6VsKuFY_o
[15:33] <deryck> rick_h_, abentley, adeuring -- I'm playing with G+ events to get a named hangout for our standup, so forgive if you get event invite spammed now.
[15:33] <abentley> deryck: np
[15:40] <abentley> sinzui: do you have a minute to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/918745 ?
[15:40] <_mup_> Bug #918745: PersonMergeJob sends emails to people who do not care <email> <merge-deactivate> <teams> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/918745 >
[15:40] <sinzui> I do
[15:41] <abentley> sinzui: I don't understand your comment.  Why would the target of the merge care if the job failed, unless the target of the merge requested the job?
[15:42] <sinzui> abentley: this happens when the user deletes the team, they do not care about it, and there is nothing they can do to fix it.
[15:43] <sinzui> abentley: we can send the email to the person who requested the deletion. It will delay us from fixing the data in the team
[15:44] <sinzui> abentley: we fixed the most common cause last week. We do not allow people to delete teams with private branches because they cannot be given to any other team
[15:44] <abentley> sinzui: If this error is not meant to be sent to users, I think we should let the normal oops mechanism handle it.
[15:45] <sinzui> abentley: that is fine. the user will just create a question for us to look up and then fix the data as we do when ~registry gets the email
[15:46] <sinzui> Your change is good because it tells the user the delete failed
[15:49] <abentley> sinzui: If we want to send email to a celebrity, that could make sense.  But is the target guaranteed to be ~registry, or could it be a normal user/team?
[15:52] <sinzui> abentley: The email went tot the target of the merge. We get the oopses where ~registry is missing the proper BVP. Other teams get them when the change is a merge. Remember that delete is always a merge into ~registry because there are undeletable artrefacts.
[15:53] <abentley> sinzui: Okay, I think I'll go ahead with the change.
[15:54] <sinzui> okay
[15:54] <sinzui> abentley: you want to send the email to the user that scheduled the job?
[15:55] <abentley> sinzui: Yes.
[15:55] <sinzui> fab
[15:57] <abentley> rvba: I don't know what value is best, either.  In most cases, we don't hit the sleep at all.
[15:57] <abentley> rvba: So maybe it doesn't matter.
[15:58] <rvba> abentley: ok then.
[15:58] <abentley> rvba: But in cases where we race, I guess it doesn't hurt to do a fraction of a second.  The processor has nothing better to do :-)
[15:58] <rvba> abentley: that was my point :)
[15:59] <abentley> rvba: Okay, I'll change the sleep to (0.1) and the range to 100.  Cool?
[15:59] <rvba> abentley: cool.
[16:00] <abentley> rvba: (while I didn't write sleep(1) it in *this* branch, I wrote it yesterday in another branch :-)
[16:35] <Bert_2> Hi, blueprintslists in my instance of launchpad come in pages of 5, launchpad.net has pages of 20, I seem to be unable to find any mentioning of a limit in the templates, does anyone know where this number is set ?
[17:03] <sinzui> development launchpad defaults to 5 items per list. This allows us to see batching work with our small sampledata size
[17:06] <Bert_2> sinzui: and how can it be changed, cause I can't really seem to find a place to change the 5 to 20 or more
[17:06] <sinzui> it is defined in the schema.
[17:06] <Bert_2> schema-lazr.conf ?
[17:07] <sinzui> It can be redefined in  configs/development/launchpad-lazr.conf
[17:08] <Bert_2> what is the option called, cause I don't see any option with a 5 in schema-lazr.conf that have to do with it, I think ?
[17:09] <sinzui> I don't know the name of the key, but it is defined in schema-lazr.conf. Search for 5
[17:09] <Bert_2> I just did
[17:10] <Bert_2> the only ones with just five are announcement_batch_size and bugnotification_interval
[17:10] <Bert_2> and consecutive_failure_limit
[17:10] <Bert_2> those don't seem to have to do with blueprints :S
[17:11] <sinzui> As I said, this is about batching, not applications
[17:11] <sinzui> Change the value in configs/development/launchpad-lazr.conf as I suggested
[17:12] <Bert_2> so announcement_batch_size is the one ?
[17:14] <Bert_2> sinzui: I'm not using development
[17:14] <Bert_2> I have my own configdir
[17:15] <sinzui> Bert_2: This channel is for launchpad development. There no channel for support, the code is unsupported
[17:17] <Bert_2> sinzui: I have supplied multiple additions to the bootstrap-db-from-scratch script, I'm not just here to get support
[17:22] <Bert_2> got it, thx anyway sinzui
[19:03] <rick_h_> abentley: celery test failed on buildbot can you dbl check please?
[19:03] <abentley> rick_h_: sure.
[19:08] <abentley> rick_h_: The fix in r15684 was broken.  It's corrected in r15688.
[19:09] <jono> is there an issue with LP code hosting - I am trying to set trunk to my branch and it is rejecting it
[19:09] <rick_h_> abentley ok, will force another round
[19:09] <jono> the branch is lp:~jonobacon/ubuntu-accomplishments-system/validation-service
[19:10] <abentley> rick_h_: thanks for letting me know, though.
[19:10] <rick_h_> abentley: started up aonther build then, look slike 15688 was merged so here we go again wheee :)
[21:42] <sinzui> lifeless: do you have a few minutes to discuss/listen to a story about the monsters in the forest of sharing
[21:49] <lifeless> I do
[21:49] <lifeless> sinzui: skype? G+ ?
[21:49] <sinzui> skype I think
[21:50] <lifeless> signed in .... now
[21:59] <wgrant> abentley: I'm rolling back the celery changes, as in 15688 both tests have failed
[22:35] <wallyworld> sinzui: we finished the standup. all good, no-one is blocked etc
[22:42] <cjohnston> hello
[22:42] <czajkowski> sinzui:  can you talk to cjohnston he has some questions over your recent blog post about project maintainers and private buts
[22:42] <czajkowski> *bugs
[22:42] <czajkowski> man I am knackered
[22:42]  * cjohnston thinks its bed time ;-)
[22:43] <cjohnston> and that may go for me too
[22:43] <cjohnston> lol
[22:59] <sinzui> wgrant: StevenK: look at this
[22:59] <sinzui> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1029093
[22:59] <_mup_> Bug #1029093: Can't change the information type of a bug that has dupes filed on deactivated project  <disclosure> <sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029093 >
[23:01] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I suggest asking the question :)
[23:02] <cjohnston> I was waiting to see if he responded (or atleast now that I see that he is here) ;-)
[23:03] <cjohnston> sinzui: I'm a little confused about marking bugs private.. From the help pages for LP, it says that projects can set all bugs by default to be private. I tried implementing this setting and wasn't allowed to because I don't have a commercial licence.. if nothing else, the text is confusing
[23:04] <cjohnston> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/PrivateBugs#Private_bugs
[23:07] <wgrant> cjohnston: Yeah, all the documentation around privacy is pretty terrible.
[23:07] <wgrant> We're almost done completely reworking it (including replacing the default private bugs checkbox), after which the docs can be rewritten
[23:08] <cjohnston> wgrant: quick pm?
[23:08] <wgrant> cjohnston: Sure
[23:09] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1111033/ is the dupe query
[23:13] <czajkowski> wgrant: cjohnston is an unsual area, the project is for canonical but he's a contractor
[23:13] <wgrant> czajkowski: Yeah
[23:14] <wgrant> cjohnston: Might be best to discuss this in #launchpad-ops on irc.c.c
[23:15] <czajkowski> indeed


[04:10] <jose> woah, I just realized the number of missing summaries. I'm gonna try and get some done. but I don't think I'll make it in time, so I'd be for merging the past with this week.
[05:10] <PaulW2U> jose: ok, leave the prep doc as it is. I'll add new links throughout the week and may be write a few
[05:10] <PaulW2U> summaries too. we'll just have to hope that some summary writers turn up this weekend :)
[05:11] <jose> 10-4
[05:11] <jose> I'm thinking... should we do a 'do you still wanna write summaries?' email?
[05:13] <PaulW2U> it might be a good idea to let everyone know that there are still some summaries to write
[05:14] <PaulW2U> and when they're done copy to wiki some prep doc doesn't get too confusing
[05:14] <PaulW2U> on Thursday/Friday there's going to be a lot of articles re the release
[16:26] <PaulW2U> Using the forumI've http://bit.ly/1MSe3Br
[16:26] <PaulW2U> oops :(
[16:27] <PaulW2U> http://bit.ly/1MSe3Br is my appeal for general help re summary writing
[20:32] <PaulW2U> added new links, written a few summaries, deleted a couple of articles that won't now be relevant
[20:33] <PaulW2U> moved audio/video to wiki so now all set for bumper release on Monday :)


[00:00] <bschaefer> thumper: to sum it up, the lens is getting a new area for a no results message
[00:00] <bschaefer> area meaning just a string, like name
[00:01] <bschaefer> thumper: that way we can handle a case such as "This lens needs an internet connexion to provide results"
[00:01] <thumper> sounds like a plan
[00:02] <thumper> is it well documented on the bug?
[00:02] <bschaefer> no, it was talked about earlier this morning with gord and mhr3
[00:03] <thumper> did JohnLea agree?
[00:03] <bschaefer> thumper: well his thoughts didn't seem to change on what he wanted. It was gords idea and this way JonhLeas plans stay true
[00:03] <thumper> fair enough
[00:05] <bschaefer> thumper but now Ill look into if there is size of how many ResultView the VLayout has in LensView
[00:05]  * thumper nods
[00:05] <bschaefer> which should give me a better update if there are no more results and I should be able to insert the code in a better place...
[00:05] <bschaefer> and now off to work!
[00:06] <bschaefer> thumper: also I like the C++ tip of the day :)
[04:49] <bschaefer> thumper, are you still around?
[13:49] <ockham_> kamstrup: hi, i'm currently trying to package unity-lens-bliss
[13:49] <ockham_> kamstrup: which is using autotools for a mere python script
[13:50] <ockham_> kamstrup: have you considered switching to something python-esque instead?
[13:50] <kamstrup> ockham_: yeah, when I started I didn't know how ambitious I'd get :-)
[13:51] <kamstrup> ockham_: if you want feel free to send a patch for distutils instead
[13:56] <mhall119> would it be possible to put the window icon in the Unity panel?  That way I at least know at a glance which application the menu/window controls are for
[16:22] <hyperair> om26er: ping
[16:23] <om26er> hyperair, pong
[16:23] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/878627 <-- this has only *one* issue described in the bug report.
[16:23] <om26er> ok so all the problems appear together you mean?
[16:23] <hyperair> om26er: it goes like this. first unity behaves normally. then suddenly it gets confused about firefox's window state. and then *ALL* the symptoms appear.
[16:23] <hyperair> yes
[16:23] <om26er> i have seen bug reports for individual issues
[16:24] <hyperair> they're symptoms of the same issue.
[16:24] <om26er> so was wondering maybe you might have reported a few together
[16:24] <hyperair> i just enumerated them from my observations
[16:24] <om26er> its possibly a compiz bugs
[16:24] <om26er> *bug
[16:24] <hyperair> it's not a compiz bug.
[16:24] <hyperair> that i can guarantee.
[16:24] <hyperair> scale (spread switcher, as you call it) works fine
[16:24] <hyperair> i mentioned in the description
[16:24] <hyperair> *every* other switcher in compiz besieds unity work
[16:25] <hyperair> *ALL* of them work as expected
[16:25] <om26er> i am seeing a lot of problems lately where the launcher is losing track of the running app, the icon would vanish from the launcher, minimized app wont be raised
[16:25] <hyperair> it's probably all the same issue.
[16:25] <om26er> its BAMF then
[16:26] <hyperair> hmm are you sure about that?
[16:26]  * om26er wonders whos looking after bamf these days
[16:26] <hyperair> om26er: unity still seems to be able to recognize that the firefox window is being focused
[16:26] <om26er> to my thinking it could also be related to the 'minimized window preview thing'
[16:26] <hyperair> i can't screenshot it at the moment because i dion't know how to reproduce the issue.
[16:26] <om26er> could you disable that in unity plugin
[16:27] <om26er> ?
[16:27] <hyperair> it's not that. i disabled the minimized window preview
[16:27] <hyperair> isn't it in another plugin rather than unity?
[16:27] <om26er> no its in unity plugin
[16:27] <hyperair> lemme check
[16:28] <om26er> in ccsm>>unity plugin
[16:28] <om26er> switcher tab, the last option
[16:28] <hyperair> okay, i disabled it.
[16:28] <hyperair> but i don't think it's that either
[16:28] <hyperair> when firefox's window is focused, the < triangle appears
[16:28] <hyperair> you know, the one on the right side of the icon
[16:29] <hyperair> but the > triangle remains unfilled.
[16:29] <om26er> that seems unity losing track of the app
[16:29] <hyperair> exactly what i'm saying.
[16:29] <hyperair> unity seems to know that firefox's window has focus
[16:29] <hyperair> but it thinks that firefox's window is on a different workspace
[16:30] <om26er> my report focused on three types of main issues in Unity and one of them was apps mis behaving with launcher/alt-tab
[16:30] <hyperair> which report?
[16:30] <om26er> libreoffice is so broken with unity
[16:31] <hyperair> it is?
[16:31] <hyperair> i didn't notice any breakage with libreoffice
[16:31] <om26er> there are a ton of bugs, where libreoffice is running but not appearing in the launcher
[16:31] <hyperair> hmmm
[16:31] <om26er> launching it from launcher would launch it but unity wont know if its actually running
[16:32] <hyperair> i see.
[16:32] <hyperair> i think it's different from this.
[16:32] <hyperair> but then again my firefox icon is one of those always-present icons
[16:32] <hyperair> the "keep in launcher" kind
[16:33] <om26er> yeah its different from this one. i was referring to a general problem
[16:33] <hyperair> i see
[16:34] <om26er> gtk apps behave better with unity, apps like firefox and thunderbird not so, application matching really needs fixing
[16:34]  * om26er is tagging bugs ;-)
[16:35] <hyperair> yeah i can imagine.
[16:35] <hyperair> docky and all those other launchers had their own fair share of issues
[16:35] <hyperair> it's really ridiculous


[00:58] <Unit193> bluesabre:
[00:58] <Unit193> xfce4-settings-editor/Makefile.am:78: warning: DISTCLEANFILES was already defined in condition MAINTAINER_MODE, which is included in condition TRUE ...
[00:58] <Unit193> xfce4-settings-editor/Makefile.am:66: ... 'DISTCLEANFILES' previously defined here
[00:58] <Unit193> Also, -AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([m4])
[00:58] <Unit193> +AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS([m4])
[01:03] <Unit193> bluesabre: I have no idea why or what else that might affect, but that's the problem that we're working around with `mkdir -p m4`, so if you can just commit that change everywhere that'd be lovely. :P
[01:11] <Unit193> I: xfce4-settings: spelling-error-in-binary usr/bin/xfce4-display-settings PRECISON PRECISION
[01:11] <Unit193> I: xfce4-settings: spelling-error-in-binary usr/bin/xfce4-display-settings Synopsys Synopsis
[01:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: feel free to lintian override
[01:17] <bluesabre> dialogs/display-settings/display-name.c:2105:    { "SPS", "Synopsys Inc" },
[01:18] <bluesabre> the other one is a typo :)
[01:27] <Unit193> Ooooh.
[01:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: And do you understand the autotools stuff well enough to review what I said and commit, or commit everywhere? :P
[01:29] <bluesabre> Unit193: last 3 commits look good? https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/
[01:31] <Unit193> https://github.com/search?q=org%3Axfce-mirror+AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR%28&type=Code
[01:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: And, uh..  I guess?  Thanks very much!
[01:32] <bluesabre> :D
[01:32] <Unit193> Seriously, I'd love this bug to be gone. :D
[01:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: can you make those commits or grant me access to the various repos? I promise I won't break things :)
[09:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfconf 4.13.5 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfconf-4-13-5-released-tp51238.html (by Ali Abdallah-4)
[21:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh wow, that sounds like "fun"
[21:36] <ochosi> i'll see which repos i can push this to
[21:43] <ochosi> Unit193: what would be an appropriate commit msg for s/MACRO_DIR/MACRO_DIRS/ ?
[21:45] <ochosi> is it simply that the macro name has changed?
[21:45] <ochosi> or is there an explanation behind this change?
[21:54] <Unit193> ochosi: I don't know about appropriate, but bluesabre already committed a change in -settings.  The macro name hasn't changed, this just allows one to specify multiple dirs, or that's what it should do.  In theory both should work fine, but looking at the two releases this was the only thing different, so I tried it and it "solved" the problem.
[21:54] <Unit193> I'm sorry I can't explain it, but I don't even remotely know autotools or why it doesn't work as it should.


[09:13] <AsusROGNoob> Hello. I have an ASUS G46VW Laptop with an Nvidia GTX 660M. I'm trying to connect my two monitors but I can only get one or the other. Or if by some chance they both are on they are just mirroring eachother even though mirroring is off. ANy help is appreciated.
[09:30] <jwel> someone?
[15:28] <studio-user400> Has anyone gotten Studio 16.04 working with vmware tools as a guest?  Having some issues -- display not resizing to fit, etc.
[16:03] <zequence> studio-user400: I would ask on wmware forums, regarding the XFCE desktop environment
[16:04] <zequence> Not sure what would be the best Linux side forum
[16:05] <zequence> In any case, we don't do much vmware development for Ubuntu Studio, since it's not really a part of what we do.
[18:41] <studio-user686> xenia xerus installation seems to stopped with GTk message: Failed to load module ¨overlay-scrollbar¨.  tried skip button but nothing happens.  how do i proceed?
[20:20] <studio-user068> help


[05:48] <darkxst> Noskcaj, not sure if you saw previously? can you merge baobab, add my titlebars patch (on gnome3 ppa) and file a FFe?
[07:07] <Noskcaj> darkxst, will do
[08:28] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Would you have time to put some of your testing results for baobab on bug 1268721 ?
[08:49] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I didnt really test it other than to make sure my patch worked
[08:49] <Noskcaj> That's testing in my book
[08:49] <Noskcaj> Although i'll test of xfce now
[08:50] <darkxst> in which case https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/baobab/+bug/1268721/comments/2 is probably enough
[08:54] <Noskcaj> There's CSD in xfce, is that expected
[08:54] <ricotz> darkxst, uploaded gtk, g-i, cogl, clutter -- so should work to land mutter/g-s
[09:05] <darkxst> Noskcaj, in baobab?
[09:05] <Noskcaj> yeah
[09:06] <Noskcaj> Well, there's a single titlebar for "Application" then the headerbar stuff seems to be beneath it
[09:06] <Noskcaj> Is that what's meant to happen?
[09:06] <darkxst> probably upstream seem convinved on using XDG_CURRENT_DESKOP == Unity
[09:07] <darkxst> you could comment on the bug though
[09:07] <darkxst> ricotz, will upload them in the morning
[09:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745346
[09:08] <ricotz> darkxst, alright, not sure how much interest there is to update cogl/clutter in vivid since they gained mir support (not enabled in the gnome3 uploads)
[09:09] <darkxst> ricotz, I have no upload rights for them anyway
[09:09] <Noskcaj> darkxst, It's fine, xfce looks good with CSD now. I think !xfce !gnome will be bad though
[09:09] <ricotz> darkxst, ok
[09:10] <darkxst> ricotz, I should get ubuntu-desktop rights soon though, whenever I get around to applying
[09:11] <darkxst> ricotz, gdm is really broken without without gnome-session-wayland
[09:11] <darkxst> ricotz, not to sure if that is meant to be a hard depend, but if so we should add it
[09:12] <darkxst> I'd rather not though


[20:29] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Any ideas on all of these laggy cursor items we're hearing about with 18.10?
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> Seems to be limited to the lowlatency kernel.


[00:02] <Bashing-om> JanC: Goats have been under consideration .. does that also entail a milk pail ?
[00:04] <JanC> only after you get them pregnant
[00:04] <OerHeks> Şiş Kebab :-D
[00:05] <Bashing-om> Not me !!
[00:06] <OerHeks> how about putting an Rpi on that machine?
[00:07] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Rpi ?
[00:07] <OerHeks> raspberry pi
[00:16] <Bashing-om> Well that Rpi would ease the boredom of going round and round !
[01:17] <daftykins> here's Bashing-om's place in the future - https://vine.co/v/inOMT1AIT92
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Hide it ! Do not let my Wife see !!
[01:28] <daftykins> >:D
[02:26] <Bashing-om> I am closing down for the evening, yall have fun without me :)
[06:23] <ducasse> morning, all
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:45] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[13:45] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[14:15] <pauljw> now i remember why i don't help these morons
[14:16] <BluesKaj> yeah I saw that :-)
[14:16] <pauljw> :)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> sometimes I wonder why some users even bother asking when they constantly object to our suggestions because they can't be bothered to tell us their preferences
[14:22] <pauljw> i don't get it either.  the guy's so brilliant that he's not using a gui, why can't he figure out how to upgrade?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> yeah, he's got his update manager set to LTS
[14:29] <BluesKaj> personally i find the update manager a pita ...don't need it setting a default for me
[14:29] <pauljw> i don't see why he doesn't just do a fresh install on his new system that has nothing on it yet.  again, that's just my uneducated opinion.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I wasn't aware of his whole situation, that he was ssh'd into remote pc
[14:32] <pauljw> oh, he's just now mentioning that...  he's an ass.
[14:34] <pauljw> he's on my ignore list.  so i'm not seeing anything he's saying.  i'll be back later, have to jump in the shower and run a bunch of errands...  have fun!!
[14:35] <BluesKaj> PaulW2U:  ok , later
[14:44] <daftykins> \o
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins
[15:11] <daftykins> how goes it?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> good, just ordered the rpi 3 cankit ...looking forward some kit fun
[15:13] <BluesKaj> to
[15:15] <daftykins> ooh nice
[15:15] <BluesKaj> https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-3-ultimate-kit.html
[15:15] <daftykins> i'm attacking my old core 2 quad desktop today, it's giving me some annoying hassle that might end up requiring a new motherboard
[15:15] <daftykins> wow that's a lot of bits!
[15:18] <BluesKaj> dual core is what I'm using here, old amd 5200+
[16:16] <BluesKaj> was going to oder the 64 bit T3 with more memory etc , but it's too much money considering what i'm going to use it for
[16:43] <daftykins> T3?
[16:44] <daftykins> wow i've done a full disassemble and rebuild of my old machine - it's working now
[16:45] <BluesKaj> nice daftykins ;-0
[16:45] <BluesKaj> oops  :-)
[16:47] <daftykins> :D
[16:47] <daftykins> it might still misbehave if it's off the mains for an hour
[16:53] <coenraad> Hello everybody,from a cozy bar in front of a fireplace at a wintery Debconf Cape Town
[16:53] <nacc> coenraad: did you see ubottu's hint in #ubuntu?
[16:56] <daftykins> i hope your drinks are open source
[16:56] <nacc> heh
[16:58] <coenraad> Everything is open source if there's enough alcohol involved :-p
[16:58] <coenraad> in fact, "free software" if you will
[16:58] <coenraad> So I see we're plotting a "peaceful takeover" of Microsoft...
[16:59] <coenraad> nacc: yes thanks
[17:00] <daftykins> i'll take that to be referring to bug #1
[17:02] <EriC^^> lol
[17:03] <daftykins> hey EriC^^ o/ how goes sir?
[17:03] <EriC^^> :D
[17:03] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[17:03] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[17:03] <daftykins> yep much the same :) just done a full rebuild of my old core 2 quad as it was misbehaving
[17:03] <EriC^^> nice
[17:04] <daftykins> thought i was going to have to spend £60 on a motherboard off ebay!
[17:04] <EriC^^> hehe
[17:05] <coenraad> :-D He's been working on this for a while....... good going! Sigh..... we're all on the same team aren't we... I stumbled across Bill Gates' "open letter to the hobbyist computer community" in the Altair days while waiting in a library the other day... interesting progression from there to where Microsoft is today, but you can see the pain that caused Microsoft there already
[17:05] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zd7g9i682g6izyk/AAC7AcXwqim9XwkH7q9_pIGCa?dl=0
[17:05] <daftykins> she's a golden oldie
[17:05] <coenraad> Mr. Gates' gripe was that there's no good software - and his reasoning was that nobody was willing to pay for software...
[17:06] <daftykins> coenraad: no i don't tend to go in for the whole chip on my shoulder about OSs rubbish myself
[17:06] <daftykins> back shortly
[17:07] <coenraad> ... so he proceeded to create a whole ecosystem making software attractive and worth paying for.... yet.... I have the same pain that he had so long ago...  I have a small stroke every time I contemplate the route of a line of code takes to the CPU and back.
[17:13] <coenraad> It will take a real visionary, charismatic, rich, influential, respected all-rounder with a lot of patience, dedication and humility to make a change in the way software works today... I honestly thought we'd have moved along much further, way beyond struggling with namespaces, syntax ... text... by now. I think in 10 years from now we'll look back at how people today are writing code the same way we look back at papyrus in ancient Egypt
[17:14] <coenraad> For heaven's sake... I have how many gigaflops at my disposal and I'm bottlenecked by missing semi colons or misaligned tabs
[17:14]  * coenraad *really*
[17:18] <coenraad> ...How does this relate to Ubuntu... Well Ubuntu has some of the ingredients of liberating us from the kludges of technology...
[17:19] <daftykins> not really, everything is at the mercy of the humans who write it
[17:19] <coenraad> true
[17:20] <coenraad> although, we're all captives of our situation.. our situation shapes our imagination which in turn shapes our world...
[17:20] <daftykins> i think you're thinking a bit too big to fit into the topic here :P
[17:21] <coenraad> Peaceful takeover of Microsoft?
[17:22] <nacc> that's not the topic here  :)
[17:22] <daftykins> you might want to type "/topic"
[17:23] <coenraad> Lol
[17:23] <coenraad> I think most people's problem with Microsoft is that Microsoft has not issued any real road map... it's a complex issue, but everything is connected at some level...
[17:23] <coenraad> I'll get on topic -
[17:23] <coenraad> Microsoft is pushing a hardware agenda:
[17:23] <nacc> ... that's not ontopic still ...
[17:23] <coenraad> They progressively slow down their software (just like apple) in order to promote an IT Support industry who promotes selling more and better hardware
[17:24] <coenraad> and this all drives the computing cycle
[17:24] <tsimonq2> coenraad: please keep on topic
[17:24] <coenraad> Okay, getting to the topic, bear with me
[17:24] <nacc> coenraad: you know this isn't a canonical channel, right? this is for volunteers who work on ubuntu (just like #ubuntu). And it's about Ubuntu. Not Windows.
[17:24] <coenraad> yes
[17:24] <daftykins> i'm ignoring you now, you're a prime example of the #1 nutjobs freenode attracts
[17:25] <tsimonq2> daftykins: hey now, no need to insult
[17:26] <coenraad> daftykins: please don't judge me prematurely... give me a moment - if you insist, I will rather do a blog post and share a link... but this relates very closely to Ubuntu. I have switched a lot of people and organisations from Windows to Ubuntu...
[17:26] <tsimonq2> coenraad: blog posts are good ;)
[17:26] <nacc> coenraad: it's taking a long time to get to the point... we're all educated Ubuntu users. tl;dr it for us
[17:27] <coenraad> tsimonq2: also time consuming, and it would be great to get some input before I write them... ?
[17:27] <coenraad> nacc: ok fair point, you're quite patient
[17:27] <nacc> coenraad: as of right now, it's a semi-rant about what microsoft is "doing" to the industry
[17:30] <coenraad> I'll try say it in a very short sentence - question is "Ubuntu in 10 years" and relates to this Canonical/MS venture
[17:31] <nacc> none of us are deciding the roadmap for Ubuntu in 10 years (afaict) :)
[17:31] <coenraad> The main hurdle to me replacing Windows with Ubuntu, is "Libreoffice isn't similar enough to MS Office"
[17:32] <coenraad> And MS office doesn't run the same on Linux as it does on Windows
[17:32] <nacc> that seems like a libreoffice issue...
[17:32] <coenraad> Yes - but it is holding back Ubuntu in a big way
[17:32] <nacc> is it really? or is that your opinion?
[17:32] <coenraad> I don't even advertise and I get more than 10 calls a day from people who accidentally upgraded to Windows 10 whose computers are now unusable
[17:32] <coenraad> because Win10 is too slow
[17:33] <nacc> honestly, who uses a desktop anymore? OEM desktop vendors are dying, which is where office clients matter; otherwise it's all remote/cloud
[17:33] <coenraad> Easy solution is to put Ubuntu on there, which runs great on most of those systems
[17:33] <nacc> :)
[17:33] <coenraad> Everyone who uses a spreadsheet or wordprocessor uses a desktop
[17:33] <coenraad> so thats pretty much everyone who runs a business
[17:33] <nacc> ... google would disagree
[17:33] <nacc> as would microsoft, i think
[17:35] <nacc> so what you said was "The main hurdle to me replacing Windows with Ubuntu, is "Libreoffice isn't similar enough to MS Office"", which to me makes it sounds like you want Ubuntu to be just like Windows. The point, to me, is rather that Ubuntu can be better/different than Windows.
[17:35] <nacc> s/Windows/Microsoft garbage/
[17:35] <coenraad> Now, nothing would please me more than to go out and replace all Windows 10 machines with Ubuntu
[17:35] <coenraad> But people are stuck in their ways and want MS Office - many people are in their 60's and don't want to learn new things
[17:35] <coenraad> they just want to send email, do spreadsheets and wordprocessing
[17:35] <coenraad> and use the shortcuts they know
[17:35] <coenraad> and don't want to feel stupid for not being able to figure out how to do something they've been doing for 20 years
[17:35] <coenraad> nacc: exactly - emphasis on *can*
[17:35] <nacc> so let them?
[17:35] <coenraad> nacc: the freedom to choose, not be dictated how to use
[17:36] <coenraad> nacc: not be dictated when to change and how and to what, but on your own time, or stay the same if you like without having to jump through hoops to do it
[17:36] <nacc> coenraad: yes, but you just said you want libreoffice to be like ms office. Which necessitates being bad like ms office.
[17:37] <nacc> coenraad: compatibility has its costs...
[17:37] <daftykins> might be best not to feed it, nacc
[17:37]  * nacc is sorry if a 60-year old feels stupid, but i'm not sure how that's Ubuntu's fault.
[17:37] <nacc> daftykins: yeah, i might be done
[17:37] <coenraad> Options: 1) Sell them faster hardware 2) Downgrade them to Windows 7 3) Really soften them up, and explain to them a good reason to learn a new office program... (which is tedious and time consuming) I would like an option 4) Install Ubuntu + MS office (or Libreoffice that has same shortcuts) and they can keep using their perfectly fine computer...
[17:38] <nacc> coenraad: talk to microsoft or the libre folks.
[17:39] <coenraad> So as part of the Ubuntu on Windows, I think the Ubuntu partnership should push an agenda that goes both ways...
[17:39] <coenraad> Well sorry I mean Canonical
[17:39] <nacc> coenraad: fine, then talk to Canonical...
[17:39] <nacc> coenraad: this isn't a Canonical channel
[17:40] <coenraad> yes, I noticed... where is the best place to talk to the people at Canonical so that I can be sure to craft my message in a digestible format before I just piss people there off too? :-/
[17:41]  * coenraad battery critical
[17:41] <nacc> coenraad: i assume you can find it on the canonical or ubuntu webpages, dunno
[17:42] <ducasse> coenraad: post to the devel-discuss mailing list?
[17:43] <coenraad> I love how code / development / ubuntu focused you guys are...
[17:45] <tgm4883> err, if you want MS office to run on linux, I'm not sure why you think talking to canonical is going to make that happen
[17:45] <coenraad> I just want to be able to help people extend the life of their computers and helping them not have to spend lots of money on support or admin
[17:45] <coenraad> Canonical seems to know diplomacy...
[17:46] <coenraad> So we'll see
[17:46] <tgm4883> coenraad: so just spending money on training then
[17:47] <tgm4883> coenraad: also, not sure why you think canonical seems to know diplomacy
[17:47] <tgm4883> (one could argue the exact opposite)
[20:49] <DArqueBishop> MS Office for Linux isn't likely, but it's possible. After all, MS is porting SQL Server to Linux...