[08:24] <mluu510> is it safe to read/write ntfs with ubuntu?
[08:24] <disinterested_pe> did u try sudo apt-get install wine?
[08:24] <TheSheep> mluu510: read -- yes
[08:25] <xtraitorx> TheSheep, i did, and this is how to upgrade it from the horrible version synaptics gave me :P
[08:25] <axion`> disinterested, that's not going to work if the address for the repository isnt going thru, will it?
[08:25] <mluu510> what about writeing ntfs? ubuntu seem to be about
[08:25] <Kman> when i use the install on the liveCD, and i use the slider to adjust my partition, and use my free space, it says that there's not enough space, though i have tons
[08:25] <mluu510> writing*
[08:25] <TheSheep> mluu510: writing is still a bit experimental, especially changing size of large files
[08:25] <mluu510> be able to*
[08:25] <Kman> ..?
[08:25] <rpaul> ls -l /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable results in ?--------- ? ?    ?          ?                ? scalable.  anyone seen this before.  i can't remove the scalable file as it says i don't have rights (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1080798#post1080798 for more details)
[08:25] <mluu510> ok, i just need to be able to read
[08:25] <xtraitorx> mluu510, scroll down the link i gave you, its all there
[08:26] <Kman> can anyone help me, please/
[08:26] <Kman> .............?
[08:26] <axion`> Kman thats going to get you ignored
[08:26] <geotsai> u cant just partition off space that windows usese kman
[08:26] <Kman> sorry
[08:26] <axion`> or worse, kickd
[08:26] <Kman> just need some advice
[08:27] <Kman> ooh
[08:27] <rpaul> Kman: are you sure it is free space?
[08:27] <Kman> yea
[08:27] <geotsai> kman, u need unpartitioned space, on your harddrive
[08:27] <KenSentMe> Kman: is that space used by another partition, like geotsai says?
[08:27] <Kman> i have space on my windows partition, about 28 GB
[08:27] <human> kman, go into manually edit the partition table, its so much easier
[08:27] <Kman> but i dont wanna fuck up my laptop
[08:27] <geotsai> use a virtual machine
[08:28] <disinterested_pe> axion for firefox?
[08:28] <KenSentMe> Kman: then it's not free space, it's already used in a windows partition
[08:28] <human> are you on the live cd right now?
[08:28] <Kman> yea
[08:28] <Rastas> use partition magic
[08:28] <human> go into manually edit the partition table, you can resize the windows partition
[08:28] <geotsai> kman; u can also use a virtual machine
[08:28] <axion`> no, the wine repository address is not working
[08:28] <geotsai> then u dont mess with ur partition
[08:28] <Kman> Would someone like to please step me through the manual partition through the install on LiveCD?
[08:28] <human> i will
[08:29] <TheSheep> xtraitorx: if the apt-get build-deps banshee doesn't work, you can just manually install required packages
[08:29] <Kman> okay thanks human
[08:29] <rpaul> Kman: backup any important data first!
[08:29] <sambrista> hi! I've enabled beagle in dapper and it works well but when i search for some things that i have in one folder, using nautilus or the menu options, it doesn't find them. It finds the folder where they are,but no more. I thought that this could be because of indexing (this folder is in /home/me/.../folder so it should have been indexed
[08:29] <Kman> i have nothing important
[08:29] <TheSheep> xtraitorx: they are listed here http://banshee-project.org/Banshee_Source
[08:29] <sambrista> anyone knows how to tell beagle to index things?
[08:29] <Kman> i just dont wanna have to deal with reinstalling windows
[08:29] <keegan_> Nevermind I found one..
[08:29] <human> how many partitions do you have
[08:29] <Kman> sorry if i sound stupid by saying that
[08:29] <Kman> currently
[08:29] <anamaria> hello
[08:29] <Kman> one
[08:29] <Locke> hmm..
[08:29] <disinterested_pe> axion open the terminal and type install wine mozplugger
[08:30] <human> kman, are you in the manual edit gui?
[08:30] <rpaul> what would cause a file (folder) to not be able to be deleted, even as root?
[08:30] <ben_underscore> sambrista, i've setup beagle and have found a few inconsistencies too
[08:30] <Kman> going in right now
[08:30] <TheSheep> Kman: nobody wonts to bother (re)instlling windows ;)
[08:30] <Kman> lol
[08:30] <Kman> true
[08:30] <Kman> biggest hassle
[08:30] <disinterested_pe> go here axion https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:30] <bimberi> rpaul: if it's immutable bit is set (see the chattr and lsattr commands)
[08:30] <Ar2No> help! how to set password for mysql root ?
[08:30] <bimberi> s/it's/its/
[08:31] <Kman> k im in
[08:31] <anamaria> i just install edubuntu after i log in i stopped at the brown ....page
[08:31] <human> Kman, right click on your windows partition
[08:31] <rpaul> bimberi: ok, i'll have a look.
[08:31] <Kman> Right now, i have one partition
[08:31] <human> click resize
[08:31] <human> i think it might say move/resize
[08:31] <Kman> ok
[08:31] <Kman> yeah
[08:31] <geotsai> anamaria, try the hotkey ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:31] <Kman> im making it 50000 MB
[08:32] <human> make it whatever size you want
[08:32] <human> leave enought for ubuntu
[08:32] <Kman> i know
[08:32] <TheSheep> Kman: why not 51200 MB ? ;)
[08:32] <Kman> im making the new partition about 50K
[08:32] <Kman> MB
[08:32] <Ar2No> help! how to set password for mysql root ?
[08:32] <duncan_> did you get my messages "thesheep" ?
[08:32] <anamaria> geotsai i did it but the same result
[08:32] <Kman> with 7000 MB left over
[08:33] <chennaituxian> !IRC
[08:33] <ubotu> well, irc is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage or have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
[08:33] <Kman> with is enough
[08:33] <CrippsFX> hm. has anyone heard of mcopy?
[08:33] <TheSheep> duncan_: sorry, no
[08:33] <bimberi> Ar2No: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-39085275bc28194cca77d021ec362ff3003b10bc
[08:33] <TheSheep> duncan_: you have to register your nick to send private mesgss
[08:33] <human> Kman, the seven GB should say unpartition or free space or something
[08:33] <duncan_> oic
[08:33] <Kman> yea
[08:33] <human> Right click on that and click new
 ok
 I attempted to reinstall the nvidia-glx drivers
 it installs ok
 but then I control-alt-backspace to reload the xserver and the new nvidia drivers
 but I get a black screen  that shows a blue panel and it says the xserver has failed to start up
[08:33] <Kman> the 7000 MB is the free space following
 I have to reconfigure the xserver and set it to use "vesa" instead of "nvidia"
[08:33] <human> or create, i forget
[08:34] <TheSheep> CrippsFX: you mean the C function or the mtools command?
[08:34] <rpaul> bimberi: lsattr scalable/ -> lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[08:34] <rpaul> bimberi: not sure what that means
[08:34] <anamaria>  help:i just install edubuntu after i log in i stopped at the brown ....page
[08:34] <CrippsFX> TheSheep, I think it would be mtools.
[08:34] <TheSheep> CrippsFX: yes, I've heard of it ;)
[08:34] <human> Kman, you do that?
[08:35] <geotsai> anamaria, im sorry, i have no clue...
[08:35] <TheSheep> duncan_: when you write lspci
[08:35] <Kman> wait a sec
[08:35] <Kman> i messed up
[08:35] <Kman> lo
[08:35] <Kman> l
[08:35] <TheSheep> duncan_: does it show you graphics card?
[08:35] <CrippsFX> TheSheep, well, in your reply to my first question, you answered my second one ;)
[08:35] <Kman> i want the free space to be mroe
[08:35] <Kman> lol
[08:35] <bimberi> rpaul: what sort of files are in scalable/ ?
[08:35] <Kman> becasue the free space following will be my ubuntu partition right?
[08:35] <human> yeah that seemed a bit small, but i didnt know what kind of media you had on that windows partition
[08:35] <Kman> the new size is gonna be my windows partition
[08:35] <Kman> no
[08:36] <Kman> my laptop has barely anything
[08:36] <bimberi> rpaul: 'file scalable/' will tell you
[08:36] <Kman> i just need about 30 GB for it
[08:36] <bimberi> rpaul: err, 'file scalable/*'
[08:36] <rpaul> bimberi: there are all directories
[08:36] <human> Kman, do you want an easy data share partition?
[08:36] <Kman> ok
[08:36] <Kman> whats that
[08:36] <rpaul> bimberi: all to do with icons
[08:36] <duncan_> yes it shows many lines, but it doesn't specifically say "6800 gs" which is the card I have
[08:36] <human> so you can share data between windows and ubuntu
[08:36] <Kman> ok im making my windows 36 Gb abd ubuntu 20 GB
[08:36] <Kman> sure
[08:37] <Kman> how would i go about doing that
[08:37] <rpaul> bimberi: ls -l /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable - you should have the same files i would imagine
[08:37] <TheSheep> duncan_: do you have the 'pcidev' command?
[08:37] <human> well, resize windows pretty small, because most of the files that take up space will be on this partition
[08:37] <Kman> nvm then
[08:37] <Kman> its alrite
[08:37] <human> ok
[08:37] <duncan_> nope, command not found
[08:37] <Faileas> hmm
[08:37] <Kman> ill just keep 35 for windows
[08:38] <Kman> wait a sec
[08:38] <Kman> after i resize the windows partition
[08:38] <Kman> i press resize
[08:38] <Ar2No> bimberi how to add new database?
[08:38] <Faileas> my apt keeps segfaulting, does anyone know a way to fix it?
[08:38] <bimberi> rpaul: yep, 7 subdirectories (actions ... stock)
[08:38] <Kman> and then do i right click the same partition and press new?
[08:38] <bimberi> Ar2No: that i don't know sorry
[08:38] <billytwowilly> what's the command to make a deb file from source?
[08:38] <dennis_> when you install wine it does not show on the plications menu ?
[08:38] <axion`> ok im on the right track
[08:38] <human> right click the free space
[08:38] <mluu510> i tried mounting my ntfs. ubuntu said it's already mounted in /tmp/disk but i can't access via nautilus. how do i fix that?
[08:38] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Does dpkg segfault too ?
[08:38] <CrippsFX> billytwowilly, man kpkg
[08:38] <Faileas> haven't tried
[08:39] <rpaul> bimberi: lsattr shows thsi http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15286
[08:39] <bimberi> rpaul: and lsattr on that directory works fine here :/
[08:39] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Give it a shot. If it segfaults as well, its a dpkg problem.
[08:39] <Kman> after i press resize though correct/
[08:39] <Kman> ?
[08:39] <human> yes
[08:39] <Faileas> dpkg what?
[08:39] <Kman> ok
[08:39] <Kman> and
[08:39] <human> none of this stuff takes effect immediately so don't worry too much about order
[08:39] <Faileas> i need to use apt to get the packages i want right? ;p
[08:39] <Kman> i know
[08:39] <rpaul> bimberi: there is something wrong with my directory, not sure why.   my post on the forums for some background http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1080798#post1080798
[08:39] <billytwowilly> CrippsFX: No manual entry for kpkg
[08:39] <Kman> and then i make that as many GB as i want right?
[08:40] <rpaul> bimberi: did you have a look at that pastebin?
[08:40] <human> ok well if you resized the windows, click on the free space and then select new
[08:40] <Kman> i did
[08:40] <Kman> make this new one
[08:40] <Kman> my remaining 20GB
[08:40] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Um... sort of. You could try grabbing a blah-ubuntu.deb package from some trusted site and installing it with dpkg ...
[08:40] <human> you will need a swap partition
[08:40] <Kman> oh yea
[08:40] <Kman> so should i make it like 17
[08:40] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Or going to /var/lib/apt/archives and try installing something from there ...
[08:40] <Scorpmoon> why can't I make "Applications - Places - System" take up less space
[08:40] <bimberi> rpaul: yep, looks ... interesting
[08:40] <human> no a linux swap, not a file share
[08:40] <duncan_> are you still there TheSheep ?
[08:41] <TheSheep> duncan_: can you paste on pastebin the output of your lspci?
[08:41] <Kman> what do you mean
[08:41] <human> how much RAM do you have
[08:41] <rpaul> Scorpmoon: use main menu instead of menubar
[08:41] <billytwowilly> CrippsFX: I'm looking for it to be done automagically as well. I know there's a prog, I just don't know what it's called
[08:41] <Kman> so i press create as and make it the linux-swap instead of ext3 right
[08:41] <Kman> i have 512 MB
[08:41] <Scorpmoon> from panel propertis?
[08:41] <rpaul> Scorpmoon: in the add to panel menu
[08:41] <Scorpmoon> ok thanks
[08:41] <human> ok, size this partition down to 1 GB
[08:41] <rpaul> bimberi: no idea?
[08:41] <human> and make it linux-swap
[08:41] <duncan_> how do paste to the pastebin? lol
[08:41] <Kman> ok
[08:41] <CrippsFX> billytwowilly, sorry, that was my bad ... kpkg is for building the kernel ... heh.
[08:42] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[08:42] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[08:42] <human> then hit resize or whatever it is
[08:42] <Kman> it should be my extended partition right?
[08:42] <Kman> add
[08:42] <Kman> hit add?
[08:42] <duncan_> thanks
[08:42] <human> you can make it extended if you want
[08:42] <Kman> does it make a difference?
[08:42] <human> but if you are just going to have 3 partitions then it doesnt matter
[08:42] <TheSheep> Kman: you can only have 4 non-extended partitions
[08:43] <Kman> o ok
[08:43] <bimberi> rpaul: none sorry :(  (only knew about chattr making files undeleteable by root)
[08:43] <Faileas> segfault as well
[08:43] <human> so make it primary
[08:43] <CrippsFX> billytwowilly, try man dpkg-buildpackage
[08:43] <human> and then linux-swap
[08:43] <Kman> so no press the free space again and presss new again
[08:43] <Kman> now**
[08:43] <billytwowilly> CrippsFX: It's checkinstall I think. Thanks for atleast trying to help me though.
[08:43] <rpaul> bimberi: ok, thanks for you help
[08:43] <human> what does your partitions look like right now?
[08:43] <human> do*
[08:43] <Kman> ok
[08:43] <Kman> i have my windows
[08:43] <duncan_> ok, you can check it now TheSheep, I used the same name as I used here
[08:43] <Kman> my linux swap
[08:43] <bimberi> rpaul: yw :) (such that it was)
[08:43] <sakha> so i had this crazy idea about installing ubuntu on a file mounted on an ntfs partition
[08:43] <Kman> and two unallocated for some reason
[08:44] <Kman> one is 304 Megs
[08:44] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Ok, just a moment then ...
[08:44] <Kman> and the other is 19 Gigs
[08:44] <Kman> weird
[08:44] <KenSentMe> !bug
[08:44] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[08:44] <human> 35 GB windows, 1 GB linux swap, the rest Ubuntu
[08:44] <ube_> uys
[08:44] <ube_> hey guys
[08:44] <Kman> what about the 300 meg one?
[08:44] <sakha> anyone try anything like that? that way we do not need any partitioning etc
[08:44] <Kman> is that also a ubuntu one?
[08:44] <Faileas> sakha: NTFS isn't writable by linux very well ;p
[08:45] <CrippsFX> billytwowilly, no problem ... It'd be nice for me to know too ... I've been a fedora user for 2 years, so I'm used to rpmbuild
[08:45] <human> you don't have any extended partitions do you?
[08:45] <Kman> no dont tihnk so
[08:45] <sakha> Faileas: well ntfs write support exists now
[08:45] <Kman> should i right click the 19 Gb and make it the ext-3?
[08:45] <sakha> with ntfsmount, it says for a single file the write support is good
[08:45] <neutrinomass> Faileas: What about /var/lib/dpkg/available ? Does it exist?  Get a backtrace first though (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash )
[08:47] <Faileas> neutrinomass: its there
[08:47] <ube_> i need to use it for certain programs
[08:47] <Locke> just make linux aCCESS IT
[08:47] <Locke> who cares if winodws twill boot
[08:47] <Kman> ok
[08:47] <Faileas> neutrinomass: what info do i need to give?
[08:47] <human> ube_ insert the linux live cd, then go to system>administration>Gnome Partition Editor, delete it all then apply
[08:47] <ube_> i cant even install linux on it
[08:47] <CrippsFX> ube_, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda; ... tehn move your mouse around until it's done ;)
[08:48] <Kman> no i have my windows
[08:48] <Kman> one unallocated 300 megs
[08:48] <Locke> how big is partition
[08:48] <ube_> crippsfx: thanks
[08:48] <Faileas> neutrinomass: in that case, i should reinstall everything?
[08:48] <Locke> how big is unallocated space
[08:48] <TheSheep> duncan_: can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[08:48] <Kman> one linux-swap 1 GB and one ext-3 19 GB
[08:48] <Kman> its 300MB
[08:48] <anamaria> help gnome-panel does not start
[08:48] <CrippsFX> ube_, :)
[08:48] <duncan_> sure
[08:48] <KenSentMe> ube_: have you installed ubuntu first and then windows? It's better the other way around
[08:48] <anamaria> what should i do
[08:48] <dreamcatcher> hello guys
[08:48] <TheSheep> duncan_: from after the X doesn't work
[08:48] <human> does that 300 MB bother you?
[08:48] <dreamcatcher> busy channel
[08:48] <Kman> not really
[08:48] <Kman> why
[08:49] <human> ok just go ahead then
[08:49] <Faileas> LOL
[08:49] <KenSentMe> dreamcatcher: hi
[08:49] <CrippsFX> dreamcatcher, thank you :)
[08:49] <dreamcatcher> anyone got some time for some questions?
[08:49] <Locke> LOLOL
[08:49] <Faileas> neutrinomass: i can't do what, apt is broken
[08:49] <dreamcatcher> i would appreciate it greatly
[08:49] <ube_> kensentme: i once had windows installed with a raid, i then installed suse but now i want to dual boot windows and ubuntu
[08:49] <KenSentMe> !tell dreamcatcher about justask
[08:49] <Faileas> *that
[08:49] <neutrinomass> Faileas: If it is corrupt? I'm not sure.... I was asking because I've opened a bug report on how dpkg crashes if there is no /var/lib/dpkg/available.... Well besides the backtrace I'm not sure what's needed...
[08:49] <xnull> /j f'#ubuntu-women
[08:49] <Locke> make swap 319MB and / = 1024
[08:49] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Oh, you don't have gdb ?
[08:49] <CrippsFX> Locke, your name is like the modern philosopher .... right?
[08:49] <Faileas> neutrinomass: no...
[08:49] <neutrinomass> Faileas: Sorry, yes, you can't get the source.
[08:49] <human> now it should ask you about mount points, Kman
[08:49] <Kman> i just made that extra unallocated an extra ext3
[08:49] <Faileas> i don;t have anything but the SSHD and LAMP stack
[08:49] <KenSentMe> ube_: first install windows and leave some free partition space for ubuntu, after that install ubuntu
[08:49] <Kman> is that alright?
[08:50] <neutrinomass> Faileas: That's a tough one ...
[08:50] <TheSheep> Locke: don't give back advices, someone could get it serious
[08:50] <human> make it fat32
[08:50] <TheSheep> *bad
[08:50] <ube_> kensentme: yeah i got the idea, but i cant erase whats one the hard drive
[08:50] <Kman> how
[08:50] <human> same way you did ext 3
[08:50] <ube_> kensentme: windows does not recognize the hdd
[08:50] <Kman> oo
[08:50] <human> but scroll down the list and select fat32
[08:50] <dreamcatcher> i got a complicated network and internet questions involving ubuntu gnome interface and a belkin router and a linksys router
[08:50] <Kman> with the unallocated?
[08:50] <mluu510> help. ubuntu said "according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is mounted on /tmp/disks-conf-hda5". how do i stop /tmp/disks-conf-hda5 from mounting?
[08:50] <Kman> nvm
[08:50] <ube_> kensentme: im using a knoppix live cd as we speak
[08:50] <Kman> im just gonna delete the little one
[08:50] <KenSentMe> ube_: ah, ok
[08:50] <Kman> it doesnt matter
[08:50] <Kman>  anyways does it?
[08:51] <dreamcatcher> i can connect to the internet using the ubuntu live cd but i cant connect after full install
[08:51] <human> delete it and then right click on it, select new, then where it says file format make it fat32
[08:51] <dreamcatcher> what gives?
[08:51] <duncan_> I have  Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old
[08:51] <TheSheep> mluu510: add 'noauto' to fstab
[08:51] <Locke> CrippsFX, yes, john locke
[08:51] <human> it wont hurt anything
[08:51] <Kman> ok
[08:51] <Kman> done
[08:51] <mluu510> thesheep, at the end?
[08:51] <Locke> CrippsFX, also has relation to Locke Cole from Final Fantasy VIj
[08:51] <Kman> now im moving to the mount points
[08:51] <TheSheep> mluu510: in the options
[08:51] <human> ok
[08:51] <TheSheep> mluu510: of the disk you mean
[08:51] <Locke> but more FF than the governmentalist
[08:51] <Kman> gimme a minute to resize the disk
[08:52] <KenSentMe> ube_: i don't know this for sure but if u start cfdisk and delete all te remaining partition, maybe windows can start up
[08:52] <Locke> as i'm more anarchist than governmentalist
[08:52] <Kman> it says
[08:52] <Faileas> ok
[08:52] <mluu510> thesheep, can be more specific? my ntfs is already mounted in tmp but i have no read access
[08:52] <KenSentMe> ube_: you don't want to keep anything that's on the disk?
[08:52] <CrippsFX> Locke, :)   ... good ... cuz I was gonna say, the philosopher was pretty ambiguius when it came to "idea" ;)
[08:52] <neutrinomass> Faileas: The only thing that I can think of is installing gcc, autotools, gdb and dpkg from source (the latter with debugging symbols, read the INSTALL file on how to do this,  I think you need ./configure --debug or something) and get a backtrace ....
[08:52] <Kman> Error while resizing/moving /dev/hda1 *my main partition
[08:52] <CrippsFX> *ambiguous
[08:52] <ube_> kensentme: ive loaded the knoppix cd and did an fdisk, for some reason it wont delete the partitions
[08:52] <Faileas> reinstalling ubuntu, getting it to work, and backing it up before i try anything funny
[08:52] <ube_> kensentme: i dont care for the data thats on it
[08:52] <neutrinomass> Faileas: If that's too much, just file the bug report and say you can't get a backtrace because you can't install anything ...
[08:52] <Kman> be aware the failure to apply this operation could afffect other operations on the list
[08:52] <TheSheep> mluu510: there is a file /etc/fstab
[08:52] <Kman> uhoh?
[08:53] <SurfnKid> hi
[08:53] <Faileas> neutrinomass: its quite a bit
[08:53] <Kman> should i just press ok>?
[08:53] <duncan_> TheSheep I'll be back in 5-10 minutes
[08:53] <Faileas> not to mention
[08:53] <TheSheep> mluu510: it lists the disks that sgould be mounted
[08:53] <Faileas> i just started a reinstall attempt ;p
[08:53] <mluu510> thesheep, yes, i see. what do i do with it?
[08:53] <SurfnKid> Dapper is installed, 0 errors
[08:53] <human> how much space is used on your windows partition?
[08:53] <TheSheep> mluu510: and where they should be mounted and how
[08:53] <Kman> about 29GB
[08:53] <Scorpmoon> whats up with beginningubuntu.com and bandwidth used?
[08:53] <TheSheep> mluu510: you need to find a line about the disk you want
[08:53] <SurfnKid> can i get help on the repository thingy
[08:53] <TheSheep> mluu510: and change it
[08:53] <Kman> and im resizing the full 55 to 35
[08:53] <human> did you defragment the windows?
[08:53] <Kman> yea
[08:54] <TheSheep> mluu510: if there is no such line, add one
[08:54] <Kman> weird, eh?
[08:54] <human> it is weird, I have resized mine multiple times, from 200 to 40 to 35 and finally 30
[08:54] <dreamcatcher> can anyone help me out with an internet problem within ubuntu?
[08:54] <human> never had a problem
[08:54] <SurfnKid> can u help me
[08:54] <KenSentMe> ube_: hmmm
[08:54] <SurfnKid> puhlease
[08:55] <Kman> should i start over?
[08:55] <dreamcatcher> im willing to wait if you all are busy
[08:55] <Kman> or press ok?
[08:55] <dreamcatcher> im just so lost :*
[08:55] <Scorpmoon> dream, welcome to linux
[08:55] <KenSentMe> !tell SurfnKid about sources.list
[08:55] <ube_> kensentme: weird isnt it? i did a "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda2
[08:55] <TheSheep> mluu510: the first column says what device it is, the second where it should be mounted, the third what filesystem it is, the fourth lists options, the last two are best zeroes
[08:55] <dreamcatcher> thank you...i just wish it was more easier to fiddle with
[08:55] <ube_> that should format the hdd right?
[08:55] <KenSentMe> ube_: yes
[08:56] <ube_> kensentme: is it supposed to show a status?
[08:56] <ube_> right now the cursor is just blinking
[08:56] <CrippsFX> Scorpmoon, it's not *that* bad .. ;)
[08:56] <KenSentMe> ube_: i don't think so
[08:56] <xukun> Hoi all. I was running vmware 5 on breezy, but after I upgraded to dapper LTS I cant start vmware, it says that I need to run /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl first, but then it says that it cant find the location of the "make" program
[08:56] <CrippsFX> dreamcatcher, what's the "internet problem" you're having?
[08:56] <KenSentMe> ube_: but i'm not gooed at this
[08:56] <Scorpmoon> it is for a previous windows user like me
[08:56] <ube_> kensentme: neither am i
[08:56] <human> Kman, go ahead and do it, it says that the windows wasn't resized
[08:56] <ube_> kensentme: i know just basics
[08:56] <human> so the others wont work
[08:56] <foo> http://pastebin.com/766792 - can someone tell me why 2.4.21-40.ELsmp isn't being loaded?
[08:56] <Kman> press ok?
[08:56] <KenSentMe> ube_: me too
[08:56] <CrippsFX> Scorpmoon, well ... only at the beginning.
[08:56] <C101> foo O_o
[08:56] <human> it wont hurt anything
[08:56] <foo> C101: Hm.
[08:57] <C101> hi
[08:57] <CrippsFX> Scorpmoon, I learned really fast ...
[08:57] <Kman> should i cancel?
[08:57] <foo> C101: Hello.
[08:57] <human> should just return another error about not being able to do the next thing
[08:57] <TheSheep> ube_: actually mkfs formats, dd just fills with zeros
[08:57] <human> click ok
[08:57] <KenSentMe> ube_: have you tried windows again after the dd command?
[08:57] <ube_> thesheep: what is mkfs?
[08:57] <ube_> kensentme: i will after it finishes
[08:57] <TheSheep> ube_: a 'make files system' program
[08:57] <CrippsFX> TheSheep, or random valyues ... depending what "if=" ;)
[08:57] <xukun> anybody?
[08:57] <dreamcatcher> if anyone can help me with this small internet problem within ubuntu just pm me
[08:57] <Scorpmoon> this channel has a few more people than what is pleasant
[08:57] <ube_> hm i should try that out
[08:57] <dreamcatcher> i agree.....
[08:57] <TheSheep> CrippsFX: or anything really
[08:58] <CrippsFX> yeah.
[08:58] <Kman> im gonna try it again
[08:58] <mluu510> thesheep, i changed the options to include noauto and mount -a but when i open my /media/windows, it's empty inside
[08:58] <CrippsFX> TheSheep, /dev/random
[08:58] <TheSheep> ube_: it comes in variety of flavours
[08:58] <SurfnKid> i am following directions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages?action=show&redirect=UniversePackages  however when i select repositories, and Add. I select community maintained
[08:58] <SurfnKid> and there's no OK.. just ADD. and even if i do that. nothing changes
[08:58] <ube_> thesheep: mkfs is to build a linux file system
[08:58] <mluu510> thesheep, i know there's suppose to be file inside
[08:58] <TheSheep> ube_: you probably want mkfs.xfs or something like that
[08:58] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: thanks, i just got lag
[08:58] <ube_> thesheep: i need to dual boot windows with linux
[08:58] <Kman> thats what im trying to do too ube
[08:58] <C101> ^^
[08:58] <TheSheep> ube_: best format the windows partition under windows
[08:59] <dreamcatcher> i dual booted windows with ubuntu
[08:59] <dli> ube_, you can use grub to load windows and linux
[08:59] <ube_> thesheep: windows cd doesnt recognize hard disk
[08:59] <ube_> kman: you got trouble doing it?
[08:59] <TheSheep> ube_: there is mkfs.vfat
[08:59] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: no problem :)
[08:59] <ube_> i know how to dual boot guys. the only problem i have is that windows nor linux can read my hard disks
[08:59] <dreamcatcher> its easier to either 1:install each OS on different harddrives or 2: partition one hardrive to hold windows and partition the other for linux
[08:59] <dreamcatcher> hrrm
[08:59] <TheSheep> ube_: may be a hardware problem?
[08:59] <dreamcatcher> maybe
[08:59] <ube_> ive done an fdisk and it sees the partitions
[09:00] <ube_> one of the partitions it cant even delete
[09:00] <Kman> im trying to manually partition mine through the manual install on the live cd
[09:00] <dreamcatcher> are you installing both as a fresh install?
[09:00] <ube_> yep
[09:00] <ube_> i once had windows on there..with a raid
[09:00] <human> Kman, just delete all except the 35 GB into one big unpartitioned Space
[09:00] <ube_> i then reinstalled with suse
[09:00] <Kman> then?
[09:00] <dreamcatcher> ok when you install windows it should just boot from cd...your getting that far at least right
[09:00] <CrippsFX> hey zcat[1]
[09:00] <intelikey> Fatal server error:
[09:00] <intelikey> could not open default font 'fixed';
[09:01] <ube_> i tried erase the partitions and install dapper
[09:01] <human> Make a 1 GB swap and the rest ext3 Ubuntu
[09:01] <Kman> thats what im ttrying again
[09:01] <ube_> dreamcatcher: yes
[09:01] <zcat[1] > hi
[09:01] <human> should work
[09:01] <Kman> nope
[09:01] <ube_> dreamcatcher: when i press "enter" to install it claims there are no hard disks
[09:01] <dreamcatcher> ok there should be a screen that lets you press l to delete all partitions
[09:01] <Kman> same eerror
[09:01] <dli> intelikey, apt-get install xfonts-base
[09:01] <intelikey> the X server's font paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are not configured correctly.   ???
[09:01] <human> click out of the install
[09:01] <dreamcatcher> then set new partition to half the hardrive if you have only one
[09:01] <Kman> i did
[09:02] <dreamcatcher> the rest will go to ubuntu
[09:02] <dreamcatcher> let windows install
[09:02] <human> go to System>Administration>Gnome Partition Editor
[09:02] <Kman> ok
[09:02] <ube_> dreamcatcher: thats my issue. windows does not get to the partition part of the install
[09:02] <intelikey> dli it looks like a default install from the hoary would include xfonts........  no ?
[09:02] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: can i get your help. are oyu on Dapper 6.06
[09:02] <Kman> same thing?
[09:02] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: yes
[09:02] <dreamcatcher> then restart and press whatever button lets you boot from cd or set bios to boot from just the cd....boot up live ubuntu cd
[09:02] <dli> intelikey, just --reinstall
[09:02] <human> resize windows and then just click apply
[09:02] <human> leave the other unpartitioned
[09:02] <dreamcatcher> then install and leave the ntfs file system alone...just instal ubuntu on the free space left
[09:02] <dreamcatcher> thats what i did
[09:03] <Kman> ok
[09:03] <dreamcatcher> but if you want more help just pm me
[09:03] <ube_> yeah thats the easiest
[09:03] <intelikey> xfonts-base is already the newest version.
[09:03] <dreamcatcher> i need help setting up my internet so we coul dhelp eachother
[09:03] <Kman> same thing
[09:03] <dli> intelikey, any problem, backup your xorg.conf, dpkg --purge xserver-xorg , install it again
[09:03] <Kman> its soo weird
[09:03] <ube_> kman: do you get an error?
[09:03] <human> give windows a different size
[09:03] <dli> intelikey, --reinstall
[09:03] <human> make it a little bigger
[09:03] <Kman> ok
[09:03] <intelikey> dli that's not the problem.
[09:03] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: ok, this is weird, i open synaptic right. click on settings, repo, and the instructions says click on settings at bottom, tick show disabled sofwtware sources. but where's the settings button!
[09:03] <frying_fish> Kman: windows gives you no harddisks at the install?
[09:03] <frying_fish> do you have a sata drive?
[09:03] <Kman> no it does
[09:03] <human> kman is getting an error when trying to resize his windows partition
[09:04] <ube_> frying_fish: i use sata hard drives, is that an issue? bc im having problems
[09:04] <Kman> but it says there was an error while moving
[09:04] <Kman> same error AGAIN
[09:04] <Kman> lol]
[09:04] <Kman> this sucks
[09:04] <frying_fish> ube_: with windows it can be
[09:04] <duncan_> ok
[09:04] <Kman> maybe make it bigger?
[09:04] <human> the extra space is being put after the windows partitino right?
[09:04] <duncan_> I'm back TheSheep
[09:04] <Kman> yea
[09:04] <frying_fish> Kman: whats the error, transferring the files from the windows cd to the drive? either, bad cd, or dodgy drive / ram
[09:04] <ube_> frying_fish: should i need drivers?
[09:04] <human> make it a little bigger 40 GB
[09:04] <Kman> it says it has an error resizing the drive
[09:04] <Kman> ok
[09:04] <zcat[1] > windows installer 'hides' it's ability to manage partitions... when it comes to the part where it says 'where do youwant to install windows [C:\]  or omething like that, there's some options there to delete and move partitions around...
[09:04] <Kman> im trying
[09:05] <frying_fish> ube_: for windows, probably, on a floppy disk
[09:05] <Kman> 46 GB
[09:05] <Ohzie> !boot
[09:05] <ube_> frying_fish: damn, i have no floppy lol
[09:05] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Ohzie
[09:05] <dreamcatcher> is there other ubuntu channels other than this one
[09:05] <Kman> same thing
[09:05] <dreamcatcher> i would like to know everywhere i can get help
[09:05] <Kman> damn
[09:05] <intelikey> dli reinstalled xfonts-base  exact same results.
[09:05] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: click add and then choose the repo's you want to add
[09:05] <rpedro> sakha: take a look at http://www.topologilinux.com/  ;-)  there used to be some others and AFAIK they didn't all work that well...
[09:05] <frying_fish> ube_: it depends on the chipset, some are recognised
[09:05] <ube_> frying_fish: though i do remember installing a driver bc i was doing a raid config
[09:05] <human> try resizing it by like one megabye and see if it works
[09:05] <Kman> lo
[09:05] <frying_fish> but linux is a lot better than windows at handling it
[09:05] <Kman> l
[09:05] <foo> err, how do I know if a server has lilo or grub?
[09:05] <Kman> ok
[09:05] <Ohzie> Does anyone know about how to maybe speed up my boot time? Running Dapper on a laptop...
[09:05] <dli> intelikey, any problem, backup your xorg.conf, dpkg --purge xserver-xorg , install it again
[09:06] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: just click all four options, so universe and multiverse
[09:06] <frying_fish> Ohzie: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[09:06] <xcess> Hi, can anybody tell me how to mount an XFS filesystem so that non-root user could write to it?
[09:06] <frying_fish> then run it, and turn off the services you don't need
[09:06] <dreamcatcher> i got a wierd problem with my internet in ubuntu
[09:06] <Ohzie> frying_fish: Thanks.
[09:06] <ube_> kman: are you in the linux installer right now?
[09:06] <intelikey> dli i'll do that   "and it will give the exact same results"
[09:06] <TheSheep> duncan_: weird, do you have two 'Driver' sections?
[09:06] <Kman> yea
[09:06] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe i did. 2 are checked, i check the other 2 and click add?
[09:06] <Kman> actually now im using the gnome partition
[09:06] <KenSentMe> Ohzie: or check dmesg for errors
[09:06] <Kman> gparted
[09:06] <Ar2No> hai everybody, I just want to have a school server, so what should I install? LAMP or Desktop ? any suggestion ?
[09:06] <Kman> same thing
[09:06] <xcess> Can anybody tell me how to mount an XFS filesystem so that non-root user could write to it?
[09:06] <bulltitan> hi
[09:06] <Kman> man
[09:06] <duncan_> I'm not sure, I only installed ubuntu 3 days ago
[09:06] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: yes
[09:06] <dreamcatcher> me too
[09:06] <zcat[1] > anyhow... since dapper is out my standard response to windows problems is to install dapper. So far I've done three, and I have three more people who've seen it and want it now!
[09:07] <duncan_> I deleted windows
[09:07] <human> when you right click on it what does it say about minimum size?
[09:07] <ube_> kman: why do you need to repartition windows?
[09:07] <nysosym> Hi all
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Ar2No, LAMP, Desktop isn't designed for a server...
[09:07] <intelikey> dli er actually i wont do that  it will take everything x with it.... no dice.
[09:07] <nysosym> any news about Edgy?
[09:07] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: then exit that and when i go back again to check if those 2 were checked.they get unchecked its weird.
[09:07] <KenSentMe> nysosym: hi
[09:07] <Kman> it says minimum is 29466
[09:07] <TheSheep> duncan_: the logs you pasted show the startup of the vesa driver
[09:07] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: but they are in the list on the previous page
[09:07] <TheSheep> duncan_: I'd like to see the logs from the failed startup of nvidia driver
[09:07] <Kman> ube_: to install linux
[09:07] <Kman> on my laptop
[09:07] <bulltitan> i'm about to replace the gxine from ubuntu's repositories for the new gxine from xine's website, i have all the libs installed but i need to know if this installation will screw my codecs or something in the system
[09:07] <Ar2No> Fujitsu , so if LAMP , can it act as server to manage all the workstation?
[09:08] <duncan_> nvidia-installer.log ?
[09:08] <TheSheep> duncan_: so that I can see why it doesn't start
[09:08] <Fujitsu> Ar2No, manage?
[09:08] <ube_> kman: i would probably reinsert the windows cd, delete any partitions and do the windows partition in the windows installer
[09:08] <dreamcatcher> i got a wierd problem with my internet in ubuntu
[09:08] <ube_> kman: then install linux on the empty space
[09:08] <Kman> w.e
[09:08] <human> yeah, you can always reinstall
[09:08] <xukun> all I needed to reconfigure vmware workstition for Dapper was: "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`" I hope this helps others
[09:08] <TheSheep> duncan_: no, /varl/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:08] <human> but you are probably trying to avoid that
[09:08] <Kman> ill just wait until one of my cousins comes over
[09:08] <zcat[1] > LAMP isn't that kind of server. You want something like LDAP to manage workstations.
[09:08] <Kman> hell prolly help me out
[09:08] <Kman> thanks anyway human and ube_
[09:08] <dreamcatcher> i got a wierd problem with my internet in ubuntu
[09:08] <Kman> have a good night
[09:08] <ube_> kman: do you need the info on the windows partition?
[09:08] <TheSheep> duncan_: are you trying to install using the isntaller from nvidia page?
[09:08] <bulltitan> please somebody i'm a "make install" away from doing this
[09:08] <ube_> kman: aight lates
[09:09] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: yes they are, but keep clicking on add and only the first 2 are selected. the other 2 keep getting unselected ( even tho i should click on 1 )
[09:09] <zcat[1] > !ldap
[09:09] <Kman> and thanks for educating me on this stuff
[09:09] <ubotu> zcat[1] : Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:09] <TheSheep> duncan_: or the one from synaptics
[09:09] <duncan_> no the installer from synaptic
[09:09] <zcat[1] > !lamp
[09:09] <dreamcatcher> !lamp
[09:09] <duncan_> but I've tried many times to install it
[09:09] <TheSheep> duncan_: nvidia-glx, right?
[09:09] <duncan_> yeap
[09:09] <TheSheep> duncan_: and it also installer restricted drivers?
[09:09] <ube_> good night ladies
[09:09] <nysosym> gn8
[09:09] <zcat[1] > hmmm.. ubuotu doesn't answer !lamp at all?
[09:09] <dreamcatcher> !adw
[09:09] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, dreamcatcher
[09:09] <duncan_> I also ran a script by tselliot
[09:09] <keegan_> Could someone help me with a question about wine please?
[09:10] <zcat[1] > oh, privmsg...
[09:10] <TheSheep> duncan_: what script?
[09:10] <duncan_> yes I have linux-restricted-drivers installed
[09:10] <dreamcatcher> i'll try that thanks
[09:10] <bulltitan> i'm doing this gxine replacement because i can't read srt subtitles
[09:10] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: that's teh same with me, but if they are in the list, it means the repo's are added. So just click close
[09:10] <foo> http://pastebin.com/766820 - any ideas? I want to boot into 2.4.21-40.ELsmp ... should that config do that? Bleh. If I'm even using grub.
[09:10] <SurfnKid> ok
[09:10] <duncan_> I'll search my book marks
[09:10] <duncan_> one sec
[09:11] <Ar2No> Fujitsu to able to point all worksation to LAMP server
[09:11] <KenSentMe> ube_: good night? I just woke up!
[09:11] <foo> Any ideas?
[09:11] <xcess> Hi, can anybody tell me how to mount an XFS filesystem so that non-root user could write to it?
[09:11] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: im gonna try thru cli
[09:12] <duncan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=139264&highlight=nvidia+xserver
[09:12] <ayaran> hi all
[09:13] <dli> xcess, chown
[09:13] <intelikey> xcess chmod it ?
[09:13] <KenSentMe> What's cli?
[09:13] <intelikey> !cli
[09:13] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[09:13] <KenSentMe> Lol
[09:13] <SurfnKid> heeh
[09:13] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: isn't your problem solved right now?
[09:14] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: it might, once i reload the sources.list
[09:14] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: synaptic does that too
[09:15] <Celestar> so
[09:15] <SurfnKid> grr i got an IP problem now
[09:15] <SurfnKid> i need to fix that
[09:15] <tcp|p> could somebody help me with my partitions? i'm getting a grub 18 error and I dont know how to make a small boot partition
[09:16] <dli> tcp|p, reinstall grub :)
[09:16] <tcp|p> how would I go about doing that?
[09:16] <Duncan_> any updates TheSheep?
[09:16] <dreamcatcher> sorry that site didnt have my particular problem...
[09:16] <dreamcatcher> i was hoping someone in here could help me
[09:16] <TheSheep> Duncan_: reading :)
[09:17] <Duncan_> hehe ok :)
[09:17] <dreamcatcher> !lickie_
[09:17] <ubotu> dreamcatcher: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:17] <disinterested_pe> well i finally got ymessenger installed and im quite disappointed with it
[09:18] <tcp|p> dli: mind if I pm you?
[09:18] <dli> tcp|p, you have ubuntu installed on hdd right now? okay for pm
[09:18] <dreamcatcher> !my internet connection stops working 3 seconds after i log in...i can get to 2 webpages before it shuts down....what gives?
[09:18] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, dreamcatcher
[09:18] <geotsai> is anyone getting this error when reloading updates?
[09:18] <geotsai> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[09:18] <dreamcatcher> my updates wont download
[09:18] <intelikey> hmmm now i've got   Fatal server error:
[09:18] <intelikey> no screens found
[09:18] <TheSheep> Duncan_: this is weird, I didn't have to use any scripts and it works for me :/
[09:18] <dreamcatcher> im on xp right now cause i cant connect to anything with ubuntu
[09:19] <dli> intelikey, drxx again
[09:19] <SurfnKid> guys why do I keep getting these time outs, is there a network setting i need to check http://pastebin.com/766832
[09:19] <intelikey> drxx ?
[09:19] <dli> intelikey, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:19] <disinterested_pe> thats why im not putting dapper in again for awhile anyway
[09:19] <dreamcatcher> why?
[09:19] <frying_fish> SurfnKid: can you get other connectivity from that box (i.e web to google and such)
[09:19] <Duncan_> yes its quite bizarre, I practically havea  fresh install of ubuntu 6.06 as well
[09:19] <keegan_> After I close Utorrent after installing it with Wine, I cannot open it again, without reinstalling.  Does anyone know how to open it without having to reinstall it everytime?
[09:19] <frying_fish> and do you have a proxy set.
[09:19] <intelikey> nah that's the long way to get no where.  just edit xorg.conf
[09:19] <dapperneil> help i cant play mp3 in dapper
[09:19] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: im on here
[09:20] <dreamcatcher> its such a cool OS it just sucks that i cant get internet but i can get it on the live cd
[09:20] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: i can surf the web
[09:20] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: ping yahoo
[09:20] <frying_fish> keegan_: run the executable it installed, not the one you downloaded.
[09:20] <dli> intelikey, then, " X -configure "
[09:20] <disinterested_pe> i upgraded to it the first night and couldnt get it to work
[09:20] <dreamcatcher> is anyone going through a network with two routers and a switch
[09:20] <frying_fish> SurfnKid: ahh, would suggest there is an issue getting in contact with the archives then
[09:20] <TheSheep> Duncan_: maybe try to reinstall nvidia-glx via synaptics
[09:20] <MadHatte1> How can i install quicktime in dapper?
[09:20] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: is there?
[09:20] <frying_fish> don't know
[09:20] <dapperneil> help i cant play mp3 in dapper , anyone ?
[09:20] <Duncan_> yes, but i get the same problem, I tried to reinstall like 6 times today :(
[09:20] <SurfnKid> oh ok
[09:20] <keegan_> frying_fish: I went to /home/keegan/.wine/... and I couldn't find it in there.  Where else do it install too?
[09:20] <TheSheep> Duncan_: then just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and swap 'vesa' to 'nvidia'
[09:21] <frying_fish> !restricted  dapperneil
[09:21] <Ohzie> dapperneil: Search in synaptic for mp3. =P
[09:21] <ubotu> frying_fish: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:21] <dreamcatcher> help i cant get internet on full install but it works on live cd
[09:21] <frying_fish> !mp3
[09:21] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:21] <frying_fish> dapperneil: look at that second link
[09:21] <dreamcatcher> !internet
[09:21] <ubotu> dreamcatcher: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:21] <dreamcatcher> !network
[09:21] <ubotu> This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together.
[09:21] <Celestar> ubotu: LDAP
[09:21] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Celestar
[09:21] <Ohzie> Hey, if ubuntum during the boot process, tries to load things like raid drivers I don't have, other shit like that, hardware stuffs...How do I make it not want to load those anymore?
[09:21] <frying_fish> SurfnKid: I can connect to them fine, you're not behind a proxy are you?
[09:22] <frying_fish> and dreamcatcher what exactly is the issue
[09:22] <Ohzie> ubuntum == ubuntu
[09:22] <frying_fish> does it not find the driver, or not raise the interface or what.
[09:22] <dreamcatcher> has anyone connected to internet on live cd but not after install?
[09:22] <Celestar> hm ...
[09:22] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: no, but i think i know the problem, this network settings connetion is horrible, im on dhcp but the settings have a static ip, no wonder the system is confused
[09:22] <frying_fish> Ohzie: in sysv-rc-conf, move to them, and press space, to remove the x from the box.
[09:22] <lightstar> :)
[09:22] <dreamcatcher> i get internet after login for a few seconds and then the network drops
[09:22] <lightstar> oops..sorry
[09:23] <m_0_r_0_n> apt-get remove evolution -> The following packages will be REMOVED: evolution evolution-exchange evolution-plugins ubuntu-desktop. Why Ubuntu-desktop????
[09:23] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: wireless?
[09:23] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: i got the same error on synaptic
[09:23] <dreamcatcher> im set for dchp through belkin wireless
[09:23] <frying_fish> or wired, and SurfnKid ahh
[09:23] <dreamcatcher> but im wired to it
[09:23] <frying_fish> SurfnKid: synaptic is just a graphical front end.
[09:23] <dreamcatcher> i tried static ip
[09:23] <dreamcatcher> same problem
[09:23] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: right
[09:23] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: the repositories are ok, i don't get those errors
[09:23] <SurfnKid> ok
[09:23] <frying_fish> m_0_r_0_n: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[09:23] <frying_fish> it won't remove all your stuff
[09:23] <SurfnKid> so its my network thing, then cool deal
[09:23] <frying_fish> it just means you no longer have a default install
[09:23] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: and it works perfectly in say windows.
[09:24] <dreamcatcher> yeah and on live cd
[09:24] <KenSentMe> How do i leave a window in irssi
[09:24] <m_0_r_0_n> frying_fish, ok, thanks
[09:24] <dreamcatcher> but not on the installed ubuntu after login it works for one page and then drops
[09:24] <foo> x
[09:24] <foo> .x
[09:24] <frying_fish> right, in the live cd find out what driver its using for your network
[09:24] <dreamcatcher> how
[09:24] <frying_fish> and then you need to make sure you are using that in the main system
[09:24] <SurfnKid> br
[09:24] <SurfnKid> b
[09:24] <dreamcatcher> ah ok
[09:24] <frying_fish> easiest way i can think of is that nm-applet will tell you on connection information
[09:24] <dreamcatcher> is there a command that i could use?
[09:25] <intelikey> dli it was as simple as changing depth from 16 to 15
[09:25] <krazykit> KenSentMe: you can /leave a channel, but if you want to just close it, try /window close
[09:25] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: lsmod
[09:25] <dreamcatcher> lsmod?
[09:25] <frying_fish> and look for ones relating to network
[09:25] <dreamcatcher> sorry im still green around the ears
[09:25] <dreamcatcher> so i can access this info in the gui?
[09:25] <dreamcatcher> gnome i mean?
[09:25] <dli> intelikey, I doubt it, unless it's a very old video card /monitor
[09:25] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: ahh, that might require a bit more stuffs.
[09:26] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: if it has network-manager installed then yes
[09:26] <frying_fish> easily
[09:26] <dreamcatcher> i did full install i just need to find that driver that works with live cd
[09:26] <SurfnKid> man this aint workingg
[09:26] <SurfnKid> how can i be connected to chat. and do a reload on synaptic and says it cant connect to ftp sites
[09:26] <SurfnKid> this is weird
[09:26] <dreamcatcher> i'll try it out...brb. if it works i'll reconnect and let you know
[09:26] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: what does lspci give you in relation to network interfaces.
[09:26] <intelikey> dli   doubt all you want.  i'm looking at it.
[09:26] <dreamcatcher> uh...lspci?
[09:27] <KenSentMe> krazykit: thanx
[09:27] <frying_fish> SurfnKid: could be a DNS issue
[09:27] <disinterested_pe> whoohooo theyre saying al-zarquawi has been killed
[09:27] <SurfnKid> but i can resolve anything on the browser its weird
[09:27] <frying_fish> maybe there are DNS conflicts somewhere, how is web browsing, is that fine?
[09:27] <dli> disinterested_pe, misinformation?
[09:27] <frying_fish> weird.
[09:27] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: yeah :S
[09:27] <SurfnKid> :)
[09:27] <dreamcatcher> brb..gonna go check drivers for network card
[09:27] <disinterested_pe> its a news alert
[09:27] <disinterested_pe> cnn and ap
[09:28] <sakha> Faileas: so what do u think about the ubuntu install onto an ntfs file mounted as ext3
[09:28] <SurfnKid> alzarkawi isnt dead, he's down here fixing my DNS issue
[09:28] <SurfnKid> get real
[09:28] <disinterested_pe> lol
[09:29] <frying_fish> sakha: oh dear :s thats badness.
[09:29] <sakha> frying_fish: why is that, i thought most people already have ntfs , gives an easier way to dual boot
[09:29] <m_0_r_0_n> When removing a package I always get the warning "I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/var/lib/scrollkeeper/(null)/scrollkeeper_cl.xml" Any idea how to fix this?
[09:29] <frying_fish> oh, I thought you were mounting NTFS as ext3
[09:30] <frying_fish> which would be badness
[09:30] <SurfnKid> um. i can ping security.ubuntu.com just fine
[09:30] <carlfk> how do I find what package supplies the hcidump command?
[09:30] <sakha> frying_fish: lol, nope, wanted to c anyone has done anything like tat?
[09:30] <TheSheep> sakha: still it's a large performance hit :(
[09:30] <intelikey> carlfk apt-file ?
[09:30] <sakha> TheSheep: do u think so, why is that?
[09:31] <esox> hi
[09:31] <TheSheep> sakha: I recall monkey linux did something like that with umsdos or something
[09:31] <carlfk> bash: apt-file: command not found
[09:31] <frying_fish> sakha: well, I have on my desktop system, / = reiser /home = reiser windows = 2x NTFS, /media/storage = ext3
[09:31] <TheSheep> sakha: becasue any disk read/write must go trough ntfs filesystem procedures
[09:31] <carlfk> ah!  apt-cache search hcidump
[09:31] <pd273> Hi all, I am not sure if this is the right channel to ask this question, but in the consoles when I go through <ctrl> + <alt> 1, I have white fonts, how can I change it to some other color
[09:31] <SurfnKid> Im going to Microsoftly pull a "restart" ...see if this works
[09:31] <vincent_> Hello everybody.  Anybody here having trouble with Azureus?
[09:32] <carlfk> intelikey: thanks - that was the reminder I needed
[09:32] <ruxpin> do I need to emerge a package to get 'less' to output code documents (shell scripts and xml files) in color? I couldn't find the setting in less options
[09:32] <ruxpin> s/emerge/apt-get install/
[09:32] <sakha> TheSheep: sure sure, any disk read write should go thru ntfs, but it is better than umsdos, because u dont create file under ntfs but rather on the ext3 mounted file
[09:32] <vincent_> I've been checking the forums on recent problems with Azureus, but the problems they're describing are different than mine.
[09:33] <intelikey> carlfk yes if it's listed that way  "i.e. package name = command name"  else you need something more probing  like apt-file
[09:33] <vincent_> If anybody's seeing this: Azureus starts, but the GUI never shows up, nor does the notification icon.
[09:33] <x92> Hello!
[09:34] <Scorpmoon> i didn't see it
[09:34] <carlfk> intelikey: ah - apt-cache search apt-file = apt-file - APT package searching utility -- command-line interface
[09:34] <vincent_> I've installed the JRE from Java's site as well as from repositories.
[09:34] <esox> I recently updated to Dapper - mostly everthing ran fine - thank you guys! There is only one problem I already had with Breezy. My Matrox G550 with Sony SDM93 is not able to use 1280x1024. All other resolutions work fine. I had to install a new driver from matrox.com, but with dapper there is Xorg 7 and the driver refuses installtion. What can I do?
[09:34] <bulltitan> i need some help with subtitles in gxine please
[09:34] <sakha> frying_fish,TheSheep: what i am trying to get at is not having to re-partition existing ntfs disk, which is the situtation with 95% computers sold
[09:34] <dbernar1> cafuego_: ping
[09:34] <carlfk> sakha: forgive me for being late, but what are you looking for?
[09:34] <frying_fish> sakha: that seems a bad idea.
[09:35] <frying_fish> why not just repartition it, if you make it ext3, then you can get a driver for windows so you can read-write
[09:35] <x92> Hi, I have tryed Ubuntu 5.05 and 5.10 desktop edition on my server... they dount work
[09:35] <Faileas> sakha: i wouldn't bet a live system on it, would try it out on QEMU or VMware first
[09:35] <frying_fish> x92: what about 6.06
[09:35] <sakha> carlfk: got this crazy idea of installing ubuntu onto a file moutned as reiserfs onto a writable ntfs disk
[09:35] <bulltitan> any ideas?
[09:35] <x92> not tryed yet :D i am downloading xubuntu right now
[09:35] <intelikey> sakha trying to get linux to live in ntfs space ?
[09:36] <frying_fish> also, if you're putting it on a server, why not just do the server version
[09:36] <m_0_r_0_n> Is it possible in the gnome-terminal to scroll the screen line by line?
[09:36] <m_0_r_0_n> with keys?
[09:36] <TheSheep> sakha: I think that solving the bug #1 is better approach ;)
[09:36] <sakha> yup, i already managed to boot knoppix from an iso cd image copied onto my winxp (ntfs) disk
[09:37] <luke> is there anyway I can make ALT+F2 open up a new Terminal window?
[09:37] <sakha> Thesheep: sure i agree, but just thought i wud ask around and c what people think
[09:37] <carlfk> sakha: interesting.  I can see it working (somehow) but it seems like a 'poor' solution for 95% of installs
[09:37] <frying_fish> luke: probably in gconf-editor, under metacity in apps.
[09:37] <intelikey> sakha just a thought.  but what will it cost to just resize the ntfs and make a partition ???
[09:37] <frying_fish> but, why not just assign it to a different key, so you can still have alt+f2 to bring up the launcher
[09:37] <sakha> carlfk: why do you think it is poor?
[09:37] <bulltitan> gxine can't read srt subtitles,... i have all the codecs and libs installed correctly,.. wtf is going on
[09:37] <TheSheep> sakha: it may be a good temporary workaround if you're afraid to resize your ntfs partition
[09:38] <SurfnKid> ok ive restarted and nothing
[09:38] <SurfnKid> i can get in here.. but no updates on Synaptic
[09:38] <intelikey> carlfk i agree.
[09:38] <Duncan_> TheSheep, i just uninstalled my driver, but when I look in applications>systemtools there is still nvidia x Server settings
[09:38] <frying_fish> sakha: the linux ntfs drivers aren't good as good as the windows ones, so it would be a big performance hit
[09:38] <SurfnKid> what the hell :(
[09:38] <TheSheep> sakha: but its solwer, ntfs write is experimental and you don't really get the 'linux way' :)
[09:38] <frying_fish> and ntfs writing is not 100% either.
[09:38] <sakha> arent most novice users afraid to re-partition an existing ntfs drive/disk?
[09:38] <luke> frying_fish, thanks mate
[09:38] <carlfk> sakha: my main worry is the user deleting the file when they are in windows
[09:38] <frying_fish> Duncan_: did you restart X.
[09:38] <ruxpin> sakha: you may try captive-ntfs
[09:39] <Duncan_> no how do you do that?
[09:39] <TheSheep> Duncan_: just install the packages from synaptics
[09:39] <ruxpin> sakha: be warned, use it only lightly, you can't really get ntfs disks working like fat32
[09:39] <TheSheep> Duncan_: lets hope they'll overwrite :)
[09:39] <frying_fish> Duncan_: ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:39] <Duncan_> sweet
[09:39] <Duncan_> brb
[09:39] <SurfnKid> whats a trace command in VT
[09:39] <frying_fish> lol
[09:39] <bulltitan> any news about my problem
[09:39] <frying_fish> he may have no desktop when he tries to come back
[09:39] <frying_fish> if he didn't change his xorg.conf first.
[09:39] <intelikey> sakha people afraid to partition have no business installing an os.   imo
[09:40] <ruxpin> what's the command to get my domain name?
[09:40] <carlfk> sakha: even with captive ntfs, it seems like relying on a few too many 'out there' things to solve a phosicalogical problem
[09:40] <carlfk> or however that is spelled
[09:40] <TheSheep> frying_fish: wonder if there's something like 'nohup' for X apps :)
[09:40] <sakha> well the idea is not to create the ubuntu/linux file onto ntfs partition, but to put everything on a file created under ntfs mounted as a reiser/etx3/ext2 filesystem
[09:40] <frying_fish> TheSheep: don't know.
[09:41] <frying_fish> sakha: that wouldn't really be a smart plan
[09:41] <frying_fish> is it still has to go through the ntfs write driver
[09:41] <sakha> intelikey: would we want more and more people to try linux?
[09:41] <frying_fish> because the underlying filesystem is ntfs
[09:41] <SurfnKid> how can i see my DNS table?
[09:41] <bulltitan> hey! sons of neo and trinity can u help me so i can leave you in holy peace?
[09:41] <frying_fish> sakha: thats why resizing is avaialble.
[09:41] <vincent_> Nobody's having problems with Azureus and dapper?
[09:41] <ruxpin> sakha: you're bound to lose data on that setup
[09:41] <TheSheep> frying_fish: I know there are some possibilities of 'reconnecting' apps between different X servers, but Xorg doesn't support that :/
[09:41] <redrumz> !ati
[09:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[09:41] <Auckland_Pig> which file stores the settings for "System -> Admin -> Login Window Preferences -> Security" in ubuntu dapper ?
[09:41] <sakha> sure underlying filesystem is ntfs but all you are really doing is writing to one file
[09:41] <intelikey> sakha the number of people that use linux does not interest me in the least.
[09:41] <crimsun> vincent_: plenty of people are thanks to a swt-gtk bug
[09:42] <frying_fish> sakha: but you aren't
[09:42] <carlfk> sakha: but you want it to be a 'normal' install, not like a LiveCD, right?  so you would need to write to the file, which means writing to the NTFS file (something needs to know where the file lives on the disk)
[09:42] <frying_fish> its a lot more complex.
[09:42] <dr3wster> could someone please help me? Dapper broke my rhythmbox:(.  It says that it can't find libtotem-plparser.so.0 but synaptic doesn't have that.
[09:42] <TheSheep> sakha: you don't get the linux speed and stability with that ;)
[09:42] <intelikey> sakha i'd rather have a hand full with quietness than great numbers with strife
[09:42] <frying_fish> TheSheep: thats if it would even work.#
[09:42] <bulltitan> thanks to get ppl close to ubuntu with your usefull help ;) (in a millon years)
[09:42] <carlfk> sakha: although, I do hear that writing to an ntfs file is ok as long as you don't change the size.
[09:43] <frying_fish> sakha: the whole point of the partitioning software allowing you to resize partitions is so you can avoid exactly that.
[09:43] <sakha> carlfk: yes, writing to ntfs, but i thought it would be simpler if you just were to write to one single file
[09:43] <vincent_> crimsun: Is THAT the problem!?  How long has the bug been in the repos?
[09:43] <frying_fish> sakha: it would be a bad plan, think of the fragmentation you would get.
[09:43] <TheSheep> sakha: next step is porting gnome to windows :)
[09:44] <sakha> carlfk, precisely with a large enough file mounted as reiserfs u wud not need to change the size of the file on the native ntfs disk
[09:44] <frying_fish> right, I have to go, have breakfast and continue packing.
[09:44] <crimsun> vincent_: probably ever since swt-gtk has been in the repo
[09:44] <frying_fish> sakha: you just aren't listening, it wouldn't be good.
[09:44] <intelikey> frying_fish i'm not sure frags would be an issue there but data loss might.
[09:44] <frying_fish> intelikey: yeah, and big performance hit
[09:44] <sakha> frying_fish: fragmentation, why is that i would create one huge file under ntfs, so hopefully it is all in contiguous space
[09:44] <frying_fish> and people would be like "well this is soo much slower than my windows, I will stick to that"
[09:44] <Auckland_Pig> which file stores the settings for "System -> Admin -> Login Window Preferences -> Security" in ubuntu dapper ?
[09:45] <TheSheep> and a dependency on what m$ thinks up next
[09:45] <vincent_> crimsun: Oh.  Well now I'm slightly confused.  I was using Azureus from SF (the whole azureus dir in my home folder) and the JRE from java.com and it was working just fine for awhile.
[09:45] <carlfk> sakha: still don't like it.  I agree there is a problem, but I think you are asking for more.   but it is worth considering.
[09:45] <xxyyzz> Does Xubuntu come with TCL installed?
[09:45] <intelikey> sakha hopefully....  hehhe yeah
[09:45] <frying_fish> it would cause more problems, thant to just have a stable partitioning system that can resize the ntfs
[09:45] <xxyyzz> 'Cause I'm trying to compile something, and it's saying it can't find TCL, and I'm not sure if I have it or not...
[09:45] <frying_fish> as if you have the space for thepartitions anyway, it can create them
[09:45] <crimsun> vincent_: yes, if you use the latest beta jar from azureus.sf.net, it should be fine because it has a workaround for that swt-gtk bug
[09:45] <TheSheep> xxyyzz: check in synaptics
[09:46] <xxyyzz> TheSheep, what's synpatics?
[09:46] <frying_fish> xxyyzz: not the development packages
[09:46] <SurfnKid> i cant connect to the repos, help help
[09:46] <cynical> synaptic, its your package manager
[09:46] <sakha> intelikey: why do u think there might be a data loss?
[09:46] <TheSheep> xxyyzz: synaptics, sorry
[09:46] <frying_fish> xxyyzz: sudo apt-get install tcl8.4-dev
[09:46] <vincent_> crimsun: Okay, I'll try that.  Have you used the beta?  Is it stable enough for daily use?
[09:46] <xxyyzz> Thanks I'll type that :-)
[09:46] <frying_fish> or maybe tcl-84.-dev
[09:46] <xxyyzz> Hopefully that fixes it...
[09:46] <SurfnKid> where can i check for my network connection settings in a file
[09:46] <mluu510> help: when i press PRINT SCREEN, nothing happens. i already configured my keyboard print button in keyboard shortcut
[09:46] <frying_fish> some combination
[09:46] <xxyyzz> I tried typing "sudo apt-get install tcl", but that didn't work...
[09:46] <xxyyzz> How do you find out exactly what you should type?
[09:46] <intelikey> because you would still be accessing the rieserfs.iso via ntfs arch.
[09:46] <frying_fish> why not do apt-cache search tcl8.4
[09:46] <xxyyzz> Is there a website that lists all the apt-get package thingies?
[09:46] <dooglus> sakha: I have my reiserfs partition on /dev/hda2.  it never changes size at all no matter how many files I write to it.  so I don't see what the problem would be of using a big file on an NTFS partition instead
[09:47] <cynical> there is your package manager which lists all the apt-get package thingies
[09:47] <carlfk> SurfnKid: /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:47] <frying_fish> dooglus: the fact you are writing through ntfs, which is sketchy at best
[09:47] <xxyyzz> cynical, I'm very bad at using the package manager thing :-/
[09:47] <SurfnKid> carlfk: just found it! yep
[09:47] <antoni_NT> hello guys, I connect in here using internal modem, unfortunately, just less trhan 14.4 KBPs,is there any other ways to increaase it?
[09:47] <frying_fish> and, if you have the space for the partition, why not make it a separate partition?
[09:47] <sakha> well, i just thought this because i managed to boot knoppix from i livecd image on my ntfs disk using grub-nt
[09:47] <xxyyzz> Is there a place that just has an exahaustive list?
[09:47] <cynical> yes
[09:47] <cynical> type sudo synaptic
[09:47] <frying_fish> antoni_NT: get a better modem
[09:47] <xxyyzz> Okay thanks
[09:47] <cynical> and then use the search function
[09:47] <cynical> np
[09:48] <dooglus> frying_fish: writing to NTFS is perfectly safe if all you're doing is writing to an existing file without changing its size.  it's creating new files which can be hit and miss
[09:48] <frying_fish> dooglus: there are still issues, and it will be a *lot* slower
[09:48] <sakha> and then i mounted the ntfs partition writable using ntfsmount and the fuse driver
[09:48] <carlfk> sakha: just because it can be done doesn't make it a good idea :)
[09:48] <frying_fish> since essentially you have to do the write twice.
[09:48] <mluu510> help: when i press PRINT SCREEN, nothing happens. i already configured my keyboard print button in keyboard shortcut
[09:48] <TheSheep> dooglus: it's safe, but it's still slow and prone to windows's bugs
[09:49] <sakha> but the newly created files will all be under the linux mounted file system, ntfs would still think it is just getting more data writted to section of the same huge file
[09:49] <SurfnKid> is this correct for my ethernet settigns http://pastebin.com/766847
[09:49] <frying_fish> sakha: but it has to send the command through both filesystems.
[09:49] <intelikey> let them dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda   and go from there...
[09:49] <frying_fish> and so the write is slower.
[09:49] <antoni_NT> my modem is good,yet I have the direver for linux but it is limited to 14.4 kbps of 56 kbps,linuxant,
[09:49] <sakha> carlfk: i thought the opposite, just because it can be done, would be a great idea,
[09:50] <frying_fish> sakha: so another example, just because I can build a nuke to take out a country, I should do it?
[09:50] <carlfk> sakha: when you want to do an update to the file, something need to know what sector of the disk to update.  that is where the NTFS write happens, and that is the step that we are all freaking out about
[09:51] <frying_fish> sakha: do you have any underlying knowledge of how the filesystem will interact with the hardware and such?
[09:51] <sakha> ok ok, i agree its a crazy idea, but i said so at the start :)
[09:51] <frying_fish> so why are you still trying to push it
[09:51] <SurfnKid> !dns
[09:51] <ubotu> SurfnKid: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <frying_fish> if its crazy, then it would likely cause many more issues than it would solve
[09:51] <sakha> carlfk: after all this is not such a gr8 idea, but i just wud be worth i try
[09:51] <TheSheep> heh, how about user-space kernel run as a windows app? :D
[09:51] <frying_fish> especially since, if the free space is there for the partition, just resize it so you can use it.
[09:52] <Ar2No> Help! I want to copy files from pc1 to my pc. but how? using shell command
[09:52] <SurfnKid> Did anyone have problems pinging, connecting or resolving to hosts on 6.06? i cant resolve to any repositories
[09:52] <sakha> TheSheep: there is already colinux to do that
[09:52] <dooglus> sakha: how did you boot from a knoppix .iso on an NTFS partition?
[09:52] <dli> Ar2No, rsync
[09:52] <TheSheep> sakha: kewl
[09:52] <Ar2No> dli how to copy that file, u know how?
[09:52] <sakha> dooglus: grub-nt
[09:52] <intelikey> sakha sure make a scba for linux to live in ntfs space.... ahhh isn't that cygwin ???
[09:53] <izm99> hey, when  you insert a flash memory card from a digital camera as USB-mass storage, what is the expected behaviour?
[09:53] <dooglus> uh huh
[09:53] <troy_s> ar2mp: cp is the copy command
[09:53] <carlfk> Ar2No: scp ?
[09:53] <troy_s> ar2mp: yep
[09:53] <troy_s> ar2mp:  use ssh
[09:53] <dooglus> Ar2No: are they both running ubuntu?
[09:53] <KenSentMe> izm99: that nautilus pops up with the contents of the card?
[09:53] <dli> Ar2No, rsync also uses ssh (scp) by default
[09:53] <carlfk> Ar2No: you need openssh-server installed on one (maybe both to get the scp command on the other)
[09:54] <Ar2No> dooglus yes both ubuntu
[09:54] <sakha> intelikey: it is not really like cygwin, cygwin uses the native ntfs filesystem only
[09:54] <Ar2No> carlfk yes i did install openssh server
[09:54] <SurfnKid> good night guys
[09:54] <izm99> KenSentMe, for me, it pops up with an Import Photos dialog.  If I click "Import Photos," then it opens gthumb in that DCIM directory of the card...
[09:54] <carlfk> Ar2No: learn how to use scp - it is really handy
[09:54] <SurfnKid> too tired to deal with this now
[09:54] <SurfnKid> KenSentMe: thanks for yer help
[09:54] <intelikey> sakha but it's so near...
[09:54] <SurfnKid> frying_fish: thanks man
[09:54] <Ar2No> carlfk can u give me example ...
[09:55] <carlfk> Ar2No: what is the name of the file, the username and IP of the target box?
[09:55] <farous> hi i am trying to install a couple of packages yet all complain they can not find xlibs. anyon know a work around i thing this is due to the new xorg
[09:55] <sakha> intelikey: yet different
[09:55] <KenSentMe> SurfnKid: no problem
[09:55] <dooglus> Ar2No: in that case scp is the way to do it.  install openssh_client on one, openssh_server on the other
[09:55] <SurfnKid> gnite
[09:55] <KenSentMe> izm99: if it detects foto's it does that indeed
[09:55] <intelikey> sakha build it.
[09:55] <kholerabbi> Anybody know how I can tell if privoxy and tor are working??
[09:55] <KenSentMe> izm99: is there something wrong with that?
[09:55] <dooglus> Ar2No: scp user@remote_host:/path/to/file /local/path
[09:55] <izm99> KenSentMe, but if you connect a camera over USB, the Import Photos option opens a different program, that allows you to automatically copy files and delete from source, etc.
[09:56] <farous> Ar2No: you can also use natilus to it easier if you have x running
[09:56] <dooglus> kholerabbi: visit some kiddie porn sites and see if the police come knocking?
[09:56] <sakha> intelikey: sure, once i know enough about the ubuntu install process, it is all in python and i could get much ahead in that
[09:56] <kholerabbi> dooglus: haha
[09:56] <intelikey> sakha i think it's a bad idea in general.  it says that "linux will bend over backwards and kiss M$ butt"   but hey.  doesn't ecery one ?
[09:56] <KenSentMe> izm99: if i connect my mobile it starts gthumb
[09:57] <kholerabbi> :)
[09:57] <sakha> intelikey: u have any idea about the ubiquity thingy
[09:57] <dooglus> kholerabbi: but seriously, browse to http://whatismyip.com/ and see if it tells you your real IP or not
[09:57] <sakha> i mean any knowledge about it?
[09:57] <intelikey> no
[09:57] <Ar2No> dooglus: thanks I try 1st
[09:57] <KenSentMe> izm99: check System > Preferences > Removable Storage > Digital camera
[09:57] <izm99> KenSentMe, odd.  I just thought the interface should be consistent.
[09:57] <izm99> KenSentMe, ok.  *checks*
[09:58] <carlfk> Ar2No: the scp command can reference the remote box as either the source or target - I normaly do it the other way: scp somefile user@remotebox:
[09:58] <carlfk> that will drop somefile in user's home dir
[09:59] <troy_s> amen intelikey
[09:59] <izm99> KenSentMe, ah.  yeah.... the program is a script that decides what to do.  I wrote a substitue for that script (/bin/gnome-volume-manager-gthumb?)
[09:59] <farous> hi i am trying to install a couple of packages yet all complain they can not find xlibs. anyon know a work around i thing this is due to the new xorg
[09:59] <troy_s> farous:  how you installing them?
[09:59] <sakha> problem is that the ubiquity installer wants to complete the disk-repartitioning step, this is where i want to stop it and point it to the ext3/reiser fs mounted on the ntfs
[09:59] <farous> troy_s: tried both installing deb files and building then
[10:00] <dreamcatcher> ok the driver on live cd is the same as the one installed
[10:00] <amortvigil> hey, how can i create network bridges?
[10:00] <xukun> I cant seem to write anything on my usb stick. it says  that its read only disk
[10:00] <dreamcatcher> though its not particularly the driver for this nic
[10:00] <troy_s> farous:  building will require the development libs for each set
[10:00] <sakha> intelikey: but it is really linux doint it, just that the file system underneath that it has to go thru is ntfs
[10:00] <intelikey> sakha so rewrite it.  it's open source.  not like ntfs.
[10:00] <Ar2No> carlfk http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15297
[10:00] <amortvigil> hey, how can i create network bridges?
[10:00] <troy_s> farous:  meaning that if you need foo -- you need foo-dev
[10:00] <farous> troy_s: i know but it also required the libs which can not be found. the dev package i downloaded
[10:01] <amortvigil> hey, how can i create network bridges?
[10:01] <dreamcatcher> ok the driver on live cd is the same as the one installed
[10:01] <troy_s> farous:  not all makes are created equally.  you might need to specify where your libs are located in an export.
[10:01] <sakha> yea it is open source, but not much documentation, atleast i dont have any documentation
[10:01] <dreamcatcher> so why internet on live cd and not in installed ubuntu?
[10:01] <farous> troy_s: i am used to building deb packages
[10:01] <amortvigil> hey, how can i create network bridges?
[10:01] <amortvigil> anyone, how can i create network bridges?
[10:01] <troy_s> amortvigil:  that's a pretty broad statement.  you want wireless / wired / where/ how?
[10:02] <dreamcatcher> so why internet on live cd and not in installed ubuntu?
[10:02] <troy_s> farous:  yeah but you need the exact error bro, or else can't help you.
[10:02] <dreamcatcher> ok the driver on live cd is the same as the one installed
[10:02] <sakha> carlfk: u have any knowledge about ubiquity installer? i guess that is what it is called the live cd to hd installer
[10:02] <dreamcatcher> whats the differnece?
[10:02] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: thats odd.
[10:02] <amortvigil> i have wired from the router too my computer and i want to tup it from my computer to another computer
[10:02] <maikol> is ssh prefered over nfs?
[10:03] <amortvigil> troy_s: i have wired from the router too my computer and i want to tup it from my computer to another computer
[10:03] <troy_s> maikol:  hell yah
[10:03] <farous> it looks for xlib6g that is for opera beta2
[10:03] <dreamcatcher> let me give you more info on my network
[10:03] <troy_s> maikol:  use ssh for everything.
[10:03] <maikol> troy_s: thats what i thought
[10:03] <troy_s> amortvigil:  wireless?
[10:03] <dreamcatcher> i have vonage hooked up to cable modem which has a linksys router wired hooked up to itself
[10:03] <troy_s> farous:  and you have xlib6g-dev installed?
[10:03] <intelikey> ssh into X on localhost....
[10:03] <amortvigil> troy_s: no wired
[10:03] <dreamcatcher> now...there is a belken wireless router that is hooked to the linksys
[10:03] <frying_fish> maikol: two different things.
[10:03] <dreamcatcher> then a switch to the belkin
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> and then my computer and ps3
[10:04] <troy_s> amortvigil:  sorry, i am failing to see exactly why you need a bridge etc.
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> i mean ps2
[10:04] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: make sure that the belkin isn't handing out DHCP as well as the linksys
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> i get internet on xp
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> dual boot config
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> i get internet on live cd
[10:04] <maikol> frying_fish: whats the difference, other than ssh being more secure
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> just as fast
[10:04] <farous> i installed xlibs-dev troy_s but xlibs is a virtual package
[10:04] <frying_fish> nfs is for files right
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> the drivers on both the live cd and the install are the same
[10:04] <frying_fish> ssh is for all sorts of stuff.
[10:04] <troy_s> maikol:  you don't need more than ssh.
[10:04] <dreamcatcher> i had thought about that fryingfish
[10:04] <frying_fish> being SecureSHell
[10:04] <troy_s> maikol:  more secure, cleanly written, more versatile, better, better.
[10:05] <troy_s> maikol:  single port
[10:05] <dreamcatcher> though i dont know how to handle that and if that was a problem why is live cd working and not the install
[10:05] <maikol> exactly, so ssh can replace nfs
[10:05] <dreamcatcher> it seems like something small
[10:05] <maikol> theres no need to have it then
[10:05] <troy_s> maikol:  yep
[10:05] <troy_s> maikol:  you can use ssh for a plethora of things -- everything from shelling to remote copy to remote x (ssh -X and you will see)
[10:05] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: it could well be that,
[10:05] <dreamcatcher> hrrm
[10:05] <troy_s> maikol:  it is the best bloody thing since sliced bread.
[10:05] <frying_fish> it can be random what it does, I would suggest going to the config pages of the routers and checking
[10:05] <amortvigil> troy_s: this is the setting: (router) --> (computer1) --> (computer2) the arrows are the network cables i need a bridge between computer 1 and 2
[10:05] <dreamcatcher> i got the dns ips for both routers
[10:06] <dreamcatcher> the config that works for xp is throught the wirelss belkin router
[10:06] <maikol> troy_s: what are the corresponding packages
[10:06] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: no, go the routers webinterface
[10:06] <dreamcatcher> and the info for dns and gateway and ip are the exact same on ubuntu install and live cd
[10:06] <troy_s> maikol:  its a meta -- in dapper i think it is just ssh
[10:06] <frying_fish> and turn off dhcp on the belkin.
[10:06] <frying_fish> and then, make sure its IP is in the same range as the linksys.
[10:06] <troy_s> maikol:  you basically need a client and server -- that's it.
[10:06] <dreamcatcher> ah......so it could act as just a switch maybe?
[10:06] <intelikey> openssh
[10:06] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: basically, yes.
[10:06] <dreamcatcher> omg....
[10:06] <troy_s> amortvigil:  why you flinging 2 thru 1?
[10:07] <frying_fish> I have a wireless router acting as an wireless extension to my regular network
[10:07] <maikol> troy_s: im in breezy
[10:07] <ajax4> Anyone know how I can fix the error on booting that says, "there are differences between boot sector and its backup" ?
[10:07] <dreamcatcher> i dont have cat5 lines long enough to reach that far
[10:07] <troy_s> maikol:  then it is openssh-server
[10:07] <dreamcatcher> and we have a lot of comps here
[10:07] <troy_s> maikol:  you already have the client.
[10:07] <frying_fish> troy_s: if its like mine, I have an ADSL router, that only has one port out, and a NTL CABLE router that has wireless and a switch
[10:07] <maikol> troy_s: ah, ok
[10:07] <troy_s> maikol:  there are a few basic command lines:  scp, ssh, and sftp
[10:07] <amortvigil> troy_s: because it can and because i only got 2 cable here
[10:07] <frying_fish> can't just use the second one as I have ADSL, so just use it for passthrough.
[10:08] <amortvigil> troy_s:(one cable wich is long enough)
[10:08] <troy_s> amortvigil:  yes but i was just wondering why you don't pipe both computers direct from teh router
[10:08] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: its wireless will still work
[10:08] <frying_fish> if you give the router an IP in the correct range, and turn off DHCP
[10:08] <dreamcatcher> so if i disable dhcp and set the static ip's to the range of the linksys.....would i have to do that on all comps connecting through the belkin router
[10:08] <frying_fish> it just passes the requests to the other router.
[10:08] <amortvigil> troy_s: explain
[10:08] <dreamcatcher> there are three comps and wireless comps as well
[10:08] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: no, just on the belkin
[10:08] <cynical> his router may not have a built in switch :P
[10:08] <dreamcatcher> they all rely on autimatic ip configuration and run xp
[10:08] <frying_fish> set the belkin router to have a static IP in the same range as the linksys
[10:08] <dreamcatcher> im the only one with linux dual boot
[10:08] <frying_fish> then the linksys will handle the rest.
[10:08] <troy_s> amortvigil:  doesn't yoru router have four or so switch ports onit?
[10:09] <dreamcatcher> so the static ip that is on the belkin should be the static ip on all comps or will linksys reconfigure all the comps that connect after the belkin static ip change?
[10:09] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: no
[10:09] <troy_s> maikol:  if you really want to see the power of ssh, try "ssh -X host" then launch an x app from that host.  secure transparent x windows networking.
[10:09] <dreamcatcher> yeah they both do and so does the switch
[10:09] <amortvigil> troy_s: yes it has,but the cables are verry exspensive and i aint got the money (like 20 euro's) and it worked fine at wiondows xp
[10:09] <maikol> troy_s: sweetness
[10:09] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: I will pm you a set of instructions
[10:10] <blaze> can somebody tell me what to add to fstab in order to be able to read/write?
[10:10] <maikol> troy_s: installing as we speak
[10:10] <dreamcatcher> i appreciate it
[10:10] <cynical> 20 euros for some ethernet cables? wtf
[10:10] <troy_s> amortvigil:  yes, but i guess i just don't see why you don't run a cable from the router.  i guess it is a distance thing.
[10:10] <frying_fish> just reply quickly to the pm
[10:10] <dreamcatcher> im learning something new every 10 minutes here lol
[10:10] <troy_s> amortvigil:  needless to say, it is just as easy to connect the two
[10:10] <ElBrujo> hey how can i cancel print jobs from console?
[10:10] <troy_s> amortvigil:  iirc, firestarter has a handy little interface to iptables to let you do ics
[10:10] <amortvigil> cynical: they must be longer than 20 meters:P
[10:10] <troy_s> elbrujo:  lp
[10:10] <ElBrujo> ok
[10:11] <frying_fish> amortvigil: what are you trying to set up?
[10:11] <cynical> amortvigil: ohhh gotcha ;)
[10:11] <frying_fish> is he basically extending the network via 2 routers?
[10:11] <dreamcatcher> so the ip of the linksys is usually the ip you put into firefox to configure the router? <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: do you still want those instructions, if so reply to the first pm (it will make it easier)
[10:11] <troy_s> frying_fish:  router->comp1->comp2
[10:11] <dreamcatcher> that ip?
[10:11] <intelikey>    lprm  cancels  print  jobs  that  have been queued for printing.
[10:11] <amortvigil> frying_fish (router)-->(computer1)-->(computer2)
[10:11] <frying_fish> troy_s: oh right.
[10:12] <amortvigil> frying_fish: (router)-->(computer1)-->(computer2)
[10:12] <cynical> dreamcatcher: thats the internal ip
[10:12] <frying_fish> tis perfectly possible,
[10:12] <troy_s> amortvigil:  i presume (router)->(computer2) is too far?
[10:12] <frying_fish> amortvigil: is computer 1 pretty much just going to act as a router, or will it be used for other things.
[10:12] <amortvigil> yes
[10:12] <amortvigil> no
[10:12] <troy_s> amortvigil:  and comp1 has two eth ports?
[10:13] <dreamcatcher> is the internal ip what i set the belkin router to or the external
[10:13] <ElBrujo> lp: Error - destino predeterminado no disponible.
[10:13] <ElBrujo> what happend?
[10:13] <amortvigil> troy_s: he has 3
[10:13] <amortvigil> troy_s: :P
[10:13] <intelikey> who can guess why startx gives  "X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
[10:13] <intelikey> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[10:13] <intelikey> "
[10:13] <troy_s> amort:  and you have a distance issue between router and comp2
[10:13] <troy_s> amort:  if so, plug in, set your ips, and fly.
[10:13] <amortvigil> frying_fish: yes exactly
[10:14] <cynical> dreamcatcher: what are you trying to do?
[10:14] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher: check your private messages
[10:14] <frying_fish> cynical: I gave him the instructions he needs.
[10:14] <chennaituxian> intelikey: check the permissions for that file
[10:14] <znero__> Hello. Does somebody know how i turn off doubleklicking xloses windows? im still used doubleklicking everywhere and often close windows i need accidently :(
[10:14] <amortvigil> troy_s: if so, plug in, set your ips, and fly??
[10:14] <cynical> frying_fish: rgr
[10:14] <Flannel> znero__: you using #kubuntu?
[10:14] <znero__> (im using gnome)
[10:14] <maikol> troy_s: portmap isnt needed for ssh im guessing
[10:14] <troy_s> amort:  i think if all the comps have ax to the same subnet, you shouldn't need any more.
[10:15] <frying_fish> right, I am needing food.
[10:15] <arejensen> I think I have found a bug in the pythoncard-tools package in universe, but Im not sure if I should use the normal bugtracking webinterface for reporting it. Anyone know ?
[10:15] <intelikey> chennaituxian file perms are ok.   system is mounted 'nosuid'  so user cant start the xserver
[10:15] <troy_s> maikol:  port map?  port 22 is ssh if you have any stinker walls in the way.
[10:15] <Beta_M> when i try to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse i get "Depends: liblame0 (>=3.96.1-1) but it is not installable" error
[10:15] <RealMurphy> Hi there, just a quick question: I'm trying to build gcc-4.1 for dapper, however, the imported gcc-files from debian need a newer libc6-dev (e.g.). Any idea how i can circumvent this in a pbuilder preocess?
[10:15] <xxyyzz> Do you ever have to defrag your computer if you're running Xubuntu?
[10:15] <chennaituxian> oho
[10:15] <amortvigil> hmmm im going to try a few things again thanx alll
[10:15] <troy_s> maikol:  although some strange magic happens when you try the -X across networks
[10:15] <ElBrujo> anoter way to kill print jobs lp dont work
[10:15] <amortvigil> troy_s: going to try a few things again thanx alll
[10:15] <watson540> znero__: umm double clicking a window at the top doesnt close it, it 'shades' it
[10:15] <RealMurphy> xxyyzz, No, depending of the file system you are using, it is automatically taken care of
[10:16] <troy_s> xxyyzz:  journaling filing systems don't suffer from too much frag
[10:16] <chennaituxian> intelikey: login as root, startx, logout and login as user :D
[10:16] <blaze> hello, how can i activate fstab
[10:16] <xxyyzz> Oh, that's good
[10:16] <Beta_M> xxyyzz: if you absolutely must defrag, then the best way is "back up/format/restore" but even that isn't needed
[10:16] <xxyyzz> How do I make sure I'm using a journaling file system?
[10:16] <troy_s> xxyyzz:  ext3
[10:16] <RealMurphy> xxyyzz: look at /etc/fstab
[10:16] <dreamcatcher> frying_fish read pm
[10:16] <RealMurphy> xxyyzz, there is a column with file formats
[10:16] <troy_s> xxyyzz:  default filesystem in ubuntu is ext3 (which is ext2 plus journaling)
[10:16] <xukun> Which packages do I need to install for dutch spelling check?
[10:16] <RealMurphy> xxyyzz, or simply type "mount"
[10:17] <blaze> without restartin
[10:17] <blaze> restarting *
[10:17] <xxyyzz> aaah k, I must be using ext3 then
[10:17] <xxyyzz> 'Cause I haven't changed it.
[10:17] <Celestar> hm.
[10:17] <RealMurphy> xxyyzz, it will tell you type ext3 most probably
[10:17] <blaze> how can i run fstab without restarting?
[10:17] <Celestar> where do I install an additional keyboard map?
[10:17] <Celestar> (for X)
[10:17] <makko_> does this "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" REPO work for anybody?
[10:17] <intelikey> chennaituxian yeah root has to do   X    then user can attach to the server
[10:17] <RealMurphy> blaze, run ftsab, what are you up to?
[10:17] <Celestar> because I have US English as only option
[10:17] <troy_s> maikol:  if you want to remotely ssh a file system, gnome has it built in too.
[10:18] <blaze> i want to change the number of auto-mounting partitions
[10:18] <znero2> Hm, doubleklicking at windows that are minimized will close them, just happend to my irc-client
[10:18] <blaze> RealMurphy: how to run fstab :) ?
[10:18] <xxyyzz> Mount says "xt3", thanks
[10:18] <troy_s> xxyyzz:  there you go.
[10:18] <B1zz> im intrested in the ssh -x command :)
[10:18] <RealMurphy> blaze, fstab is jsut a configuration file and cannot be run
[10:18] <troy_s> xxyyzz:  if you want, you can force a fschk
[10:18] <troy_s> b1zz:  its ssh -X not -x
[10:18] <blaze> and how to run the things, that i have added
[10:18] <B1zz> ahh yes :)
[10:18] <blaze> without restarting
[10:18] <blaze> or i have to restart?
[10:18] <troy_s> b1zz:  one of the most useful tools in ssh that not a whole crapload know about.
[10:18] <intelikey> chennaituxian solution for my purposes is  add  X & to an init script.
[10:19] <RealMurphy> blaze, typically 'mount 'a'
[10:19] <RealMurphy> ups
[10:19] <makko_> does this "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" REPO work for anybody?
[10:19] <RealMurphy> blaze, 'mount -a'
[10:19] <blaze> i se.. i'll restart then :)
[10:19] <chennaituxian> intelikey: good if you have found a way
[10:19] <B1zz> yeah but i have one set up on my xp bow running cygwin
[10:19] <troy_s> b1zz:  should still work apparently, although plain x is faster from what i have heard.
[10:19] <RealMurphy> blaze, if it's automounter '/etc/init.d/automounter restart' (or whatever the name is)
[10:19] <troy_s> b1zz:  just ssh -X to host, then launch any x app...
[10:20] <B1zz> ok i will try :)
[10:20] <troy_s> b1zz:  try xclock
[10:20] <znero2> oops, seems like its an strange compiz-addon that caused my problem, ill try to deactivate it.
[10:20] <troy_s> b1zz:  almost every x app should work, although you can watch the errors for certain discreps.
[10:20] <B1zz> well duh! it would help if i had X apps installed right? lol
[10:21] <B1zz> i have very basic cygwin installation
[10:22] <intelikey> B1zz all you need is a kernel and bash   :)
[10:22] <makko_> intelikey: can a kernel be installed as a part of cygwin?
[10:22] <troy_s> b1zz:  i was assuming you were doing it from your cygwin box to a real *nix box.
[10:22] <troy_s> b1zz:  but you can test with default x apps like xeyes etc.
[10:22] <intelikey> makko_ i don't know ??!!
[10:23] <troy_s> b1zz:  should work seamlessly... i launched rosegarden across the internet which was pretty cool.
[10:23] <Mageknight> can I still install the edubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso without burning it??
[10:23] <B1zz> heheh
[10:23] <B1zz> yeah thats what i want to do too :)
[10:23] <Beta_M> when i try to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse i get "Depends: liblame0 (>=3.96.1-1) but it is not installable" error, and this is a package that i need to listen to non-free media
[10:23] <B1zz> i use it mainley when i am clients house and i need a tool from my pc i just ssh into my pc using putty
[10:23] <troy_s> b1zz:  its _very_ powerful.  there are further steps for sound and such... but you can get the gui up within seconds with ssh thanks to the auto head / display assignment etc.
[10:24] <troy_s> b1zz:  yah putty works fine for the plain cli
[10:24] <troy_s> b1zz:  but the real power comes from native ssh to ssh
[10:24] <troy_s> b1zz:  with that -X
[10:24] <maikol> troy_s: what files must i modify to configure ssh
[10:24] <B1zz> yeah thats my next steo :)
[10:24] <B1zz> step*
[10:24] <troy_s> maikol:  nothing :)
[10:24] <troy_s> maikol:  which is why it is soooooo powerful.
[10:24] <B1zz> waiting to get my gigabyte board back from maufacture
[10:24] <maikol> troy_s: it just works?
[10:24] <troy_s> maikol:  just ssh to host
[10:24] <intelikey> Mageknight it is possable.  if you can mount it, in some *nix    or boot an iso.
[10:24] <troy_s> maikol:  yep
[10:25] <B1zz> and then install linux on my windows box as a server
[10:25] <maikol> troy_s: wow. speechless
[10:25] <troy_s> maikol:  and if you have a ssh server running, right click on your gnome desktop and add a ssh folder to a remote computer... then it is all integrated right into nautalis.
[10:25] <RealMurphy> Mageknight, another possibliy is to do a full network install and just take the install kernel from the iso
[10:25] <troy_s> maikol:  yah i convinced a guy to use ssh the other day after he struggled with samba for 8 days.
[10:25] <RealMurphy> Mageknight, however, that is a bit of extra work
[10:25] <maikol> troy_s: haha, ive struggled through samba and nfs for about a week now
[10:25] <troy_s> maikol:  and there is a free file tool for winblows called winscp if you need to share crap in winblows across platforms.
[10:26] <phreak97> how do i make my mic work?
[10:26] <Mageknight> RealMurphy: i  was thinking which one to use.
[10:26] <troy_s> maikol:  try the gnome shortcut -- it will BLOW you away.
[10:26] <maikol> troy_s: will do
[10:26] <troy_s> in ubuntu
[10:26] <troy_s> maikol:  click PLACES from menu
[10:26] <maikol> troy_s: cant do it right now, dont have mouse
[10:26] <troy_s> maikol:  then CONNECT TO SERVER
[10:26] <Mageknight> RealMurphy: instead of using the update manager itself. i decided to download it on bittorrent
[10:26] <maikol> troy_s: or gnome running
[10:26] <RealMurphy> Mageknight, install kernel? Mount the iso (loop device) and extract the network kernel, move that to a place where grub can find it and boot from there
[10:27] <troy_s> maikol:  the rest should be pretty self explanatory.  if you want to do it all via the cli -- man scp or sftp
[10:27] <troy_s> maikol:  and there is sshfs which is another client of sorts i believe... although i have never used it because scp does everything you need.
[10:27] <maikol> troy_s: awesome. thanks for the info
[10:27] <B1zz> so troy if i want to ssh into my laptop (Linux) i would need to install the server on it right?
[10:27] <makko_> does this "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" REPO work for anybody?
[10:27] <troy_s> b1zz:  yep.  that's it.
[10:28] <B1zz> ok imma do that
[10:28] <troy_s> b1zz:  and of course know the IP, have port 22 open, and have a password/account
[10:28] <Mageknight> RealMurphy: how do i install the kernel, or is it already here???
[10:28] <blaze__> when i chmod a file will it stay the same after rebooting?
[10:28] <B1zz> yeap granted
[10:28] <troy_s> b1zz:  aside from that, its painless compared to crap nfs and samba
[10:28] <blaze__> if it is a folder from a auto-mounting partition
[10:28] <blaze__> ?
[10:28] <B1zz> added another router to my network
[10:28] <troy_s> b1zz:  and you get encrypted transmissions for free -- which means no stinking packet sniffing on wireless will haunt you.
[10:28] <B1zz> now i lost smb.....
[10:28] <troy_s> b1zz:  ignore smb.  it sucks.
[10:28] <B1zz> heheh
[10:28] <RealMurphy> Mageknight, do you have already linux on the bos running (with gurb)?
[10:29] <RealMurphy> grub
[10:29] <B1zz> what about my amarok?
[10:29] <B1zz> i have all my music on my smb share?
[10:29] <troy_s> b1zz: uh... you use gnome?
[10:29] <B1zz> nope
[10:29] <B1zz> im on XFCE
[10:29] <troy_s> b1zz:  you can still mount a remote dir using whatever wm you are running.
[10:29] <Mageknight> RealMurphy: you mean linux on the dos running with grub?? yes
[10:29] <troy_s> b1zz:  then just launch accordingly.
[10:30] <B1zz> hmmmm
[10:30] <B1zz> dun understand.....
[10:30] <RealMurphy> Mageknight, linux on the dos? What does that mean?
[10:30] <B1zz> but in order to mount i use smb
[10:30] <troy_s> b1zz:  i don't know how to do it in xfce
[10:30] <frying_fish> B1zz: yes.
[10:30] <Mageknight> RealMurphy: never mind the dos. i'm just new to linux
[10:30] <troy_s> b1zz:  but in gnome there is a native way to simply add a folder via ssh
[10:30] <frying_fish> troy_s: it should be the same anywhere
[10:31] <B1zz> ahh ok
[10:31] <frying_fish> just add an entry to fstab
[10:31] <Mageknight> RealMurphy: i just happen to use linux for the first time using ubuntu
[10:31] <B1zz> i will look into it troy_s
[10:31] <RealMurphy> ah ok, then I would definately advise you to burn the image to a CD and install that way.. way easier than anything else
[10:31] <troy_s> frying_fish:  yah i spose you could do that too.
[10:31] <troy_s> b1zz: n eedless to say, it shouldn't be a pain.  it is quite simple.
[10:31] <frying_fish> much simpler than messing round, and will take about 2mins
[10:31] <Ar2No> help! how to allow FTP annymous access ?
[10:31] <B1zz> hehe ya!
[10:31] <frying_fish> let me find my forum post on how I explained it to someone else
[10:31] <whity> hmm well dapper finally works, but I had to select the kernal 2.6.12 instead of 2.6.15 in grub
[10:31] <B1zz> ssh is cool
[10:31] <troy_s> fryingfish:  well adding a folder in gnome is damn easy and takes all of about 1 second :)
[10:31] <troy_s> b1zz:  check out sshfs
[10:32] <aftertaf> whity, whyn doesnt 2.6.15 boot? tried in recovery mde to see the error?
[10:32] <troy_s> b1zz:  that lets you mount a filesystem via that client relatively painlessly (according to a buddy of mine)
[10:32] <B1zz> ahh ok
[10:32] <intelikey> hmmm if you delete all panels  what do you do to put one back ?
[10:32] <B1zz> will do
[10:32] <whity> aftertaf: yes I have, says root can't be mounted
[10:32] <blaze__> what should i add to fstab to be able to write to a partition?
[10:32] <troy_s> intelikey:  good question!  laf.
[10:33] <blaze__> help me :)
[10:33] <aftertaf> whity, which version of kernel? and what exact error. imho try another 2.6.15 kernel. i happens sometimes.
[10:33] <intelikey> and can gnome run affectivly without nautilus ?
[10:33] <aftertaf> lol intelikey
[10:33] <whity> aftertaf: the default one with dapper
[10:33] <intelikey> aftertaf ?
[10:33] <chavo> intelikey, sure you win't have desktop icons
[10:33] <whity> and I don't currently have a copy of it
[10:33] <aftertaf> gernome
[10:33] <Celestar> ubotu: keyboard
[10:33] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Celestar
[10:33] <intelikey> chavo that is preferable
[10:34] <lorenzo_> si puo parlare con messanger?
[10:34] <aftertaf> whity, i had pbs with <IP_ADDRESS> not long ago.
[10:34] <aftertaf> !es
[10:34] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:34] <blaze__> and how can i login with 2 accounts simultaniously?
[10:34] <whity> Alright, I might try 2.6.16
[10:34] <aftertaf> blaze, with one or two pcs?
[10:34] <frying_fish> troy_s: true, however, if you want to keep the thing to survive after rebooting, its just as easy to stick it in fstab
[10:34] <Auckland_Pig> I just see a black screen and a pointer when i VNC.... any ideas what the problem is?
[10:34] <aftertaf> 2.6.16? bulit yourself?
[10:34] <TheSheep> intelikey: sure, it's not explorer ;)
[10:35] <troy_s> frying_fish:  what does the line look like for ssh then?
[10:35] <Mageknight> how long will it take to download and install 6.06 on a speed of 383kbps???
[10:35] <frying_fish> troy_s: don't know for ssh.
[10:35] <chavo> TheSheep, you can run windows w/o explorer
[10:35] <frying_fish> for smb, its simple enough
[10:35] <troy_s> auckland_pig:  vnc isn't horribly great for security, but you probably know that.
[10:35] <intelikey> TheSheep so what is required to cause gnome to "not have nautilus as it's window" ?
[10:35] <TheSheep> chavo: but not windows applications, at least not the ones written by stupid programmers
[10:35] <Celestar> I don't get this :(
[10:35] <Auckland_Pig> troy_s: i'm using ssh to tunnel
[10:35] <whity> aftertaf: I seen a post on the forums about 2.6.16 not long ago I thought
[10:36] <aftertaf> try it then whity :)
[10:36] <troy_s> auckland_pig:  well that is at least good... any reason that you need more than ssh?  is it a windows box?
[10:36] <Auckland_Pig> troy_s: i'm trying to vnc from my windows box to dapper
[10:36] <frying_fish> dammn, searching is taking too long
[10:37] <troy_s> auckland_pig:  if you need gui apps, i would say use the cygwin then you can simply remote x apps via ssh
[10:37] <Faileas> Auckland_Pig: dosen't VNC blank the BG by default?
[10:37] <intelikey> TheSheep ?
[10:37] <frying_fish> for smb in fstab it should be along the lines of : //computer/share /mount/point smbfs defaults,logondetails,rw,uid=user 0 0
[10:37] <frying_fish> thats what I have for mine.
[10:37] <chavo> intelikey, go to Prefernces - Sessions
[10:37] <troy_s> ahh it is probaably the same in ssh using sshfs
[10:37] <troy_s> if i had to bet.
[10:38] <Auckland_Pig> troy_s: Faileas : i can VNC properly after a user is logged on to a gnome session. but when i try to vnc to the GDM login screen... i only see a black screen
[10:38] <frying_fish> probably
[10:38] <fruges5172> didnt work for me guys
[10:38] <frying_fish> that XDCMP that needs sending isn't it.
[10:38] <frying_fish> you could try another vnc server
[10:38] <Faileas> Auckland_Pig: sounds like VNC acting wierd
[10:38] <KenSentMe> frying_fish: don't you have boot problems with smbfs in fstab?
[10:38] <frying_fish> and have in its start config thing to just load a gnome session.
[10:38] <frying_fish> KenSentMe: no,
[10:38] <frying_fish> if it can't connect to the remote filesystem, it just slows boot slightly.
[10:38] <KenSentMe> frying_fish: there's a bug in launchpad that makes hal load very slowly
[10:39] <frying_fish> it takes about an extra 5-10seconds maybe
[10:39] <frying_fish> which, I don't care about
[10:39] <Auckland_Pig> Faileas: probably i screwed up some settings....
[10:39] <fruges5172> frying fish i apoligize for bothering you again....but i had tried what we talked about and i lost the internet connection...i feel i did something wrong....i fixed it...but im back wherei started
[10:39] <frying_fish> extra 5 - 10, to save me other sorts of hassles is easier.
[10:39] <intelikey> chavo k that works.
[10:39] <frying_fish> fruges5172: ?
[10:39] <KenSentMe> frying_fish: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/44874
[10:39] <snoops> Hi there - anyone up for helping me with a manual grub install?
[10:39] <frying_fish> snoops: its on the wiki
[10:39] <frying_fish> ahh right
[10:39] <dreamcatcher3344> woops
[10:39] <KenSentMe> frying_fish: with me it's more like 5-10 minutes
[10:40] <chennaituxian> snoops: do a google
[10:40] <frying_fish> KenSentMe: ouch
[10:40] <Faileas> hmm
[10:40] <dreamcatcher3344> sorry fryingfish...it was me
[10:40] <snoops> ah, including the stuff about chrooting frying_fish?
[10:40] <frying_fish> nah for me its fine, I don't experience the bug.
[10:40] <frying_fish> snoops: yes
[10:40] <Faileas> i am doing a reinstall and was wondering
[10:40] <frying_fish> so dreamcatcher3344 what was the problem?
[10:40] <frying_fish> snoops: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RecoveringGrub
[10:40] <ElBrujo> hey help
[10:41] <ElBrujo> i cant cancel print jobs
[10:41] <Faileas> could it be me changing the amount of ram available that caused apt-get to segfault?
[10:41] <ElBrujo> please
[10:41] <dreamcatcher3344> i had set the belkin up with an ip address <IP_ADDRESS> which is in the range of the linksys
[10:41] <frying_fish> ok, and the linksys was handling dhcp yes?
[10:41] <dreamcatcher3344> and the connection dropped on me...had to reset the belkin
[10:41] <dreamcatcher3344> yes
[10:41] <snoops> ah thank you frying_fish :)
[10:41] <dreamcatcher3344> i turned dchp off on the belkin and it pooped on me
[10:41] <_viper> hi all - has anyone here managed to install ubuntu server using a mylex dac960 raid card?
[10:41] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher3344: it shouldn't have
[10:42] <shriphani> guys i need good instruction to play mpg videos in totem movie player
[10:42] <frying_fish> unless the belkin is shoddy.
[10:42] <dreamcatcher3344> i know...it sounded like it would have worked
[10:42] <ElBrujo> please i put lp and give me an arror
[10:42] <ElBrujo> error
[10:42] <frying_fish> shriphani: use a different payer? like vlc
[10:42] <frying_fish> a simple apt-get install vlc away
[10:42] <snoops> oh, while I'm here is there a room for help on smoothwall?
[10:42] <dreamcatcher3344> its a good router...they both are...and the live cd handled it without a hitch
[10:42] <shriphani> frying_fish, does vlc come with mpg codecs ?
[10:42] <frying_fish> shriphani: yes
[10:42] <Celestar> which keymap does gdm use?
[10:42] <dreamcatcher3344> advanced bookmarks were working and everything
[10:42] <intelikey> chavo hmmmm i might get enough crap turned off that i can tolerate 'nome      i still don't really see anything i like about it though   ;/
[10:42] <Celestar> (by default)
[10:42] <cef> _viper: what sort of issue you having.. I've installed earlier versions, having to work around abug or 2
[10:42] <frying_fish> it does jjust about everything itself.
[10:42] <shriphani> is it there in the repos ?
[10:42] <chavo> intelikey, sorry did you figure it out
[10:42] <dreamcatcher3344> i just dont understand why the full install would poop out on me like that with the internet
[10:42] <intelikey> chavo yes
[10:42] <troy_s> frying_fish:  including streaming
[10:43] <TheSheep> intelikey: use ratpoison window manager ;)
[10:43] <frying_fish> dreamcatcher3344: dunno then
[10:43] <frying_fish> troy_s: yeah it does streaming
[10:43] <troy_s> frying_fish:  if you want to do that around your house etc...
[10:43] <intelikey> TheSheep twm
[10:43] <chavo> intelikey, what do you normally use?
[10:43] <intelikey> twm  or bb
[10:43] <frying_fish> troy_s: yes. (are you asking or stating this as an extra features)
[10:43] <shriphani> thank you very much
[10:43] <troy_s> frying:  stating
[10:43] <dreamcatcher3344> it says in the network configuration within ubuntu that eth0 is active...though the network connection shows disconnected after a few seconds after boot up
[10:43] <troy_s> frying:  it is pretty darn powerful.
[10:43] <shriphani> frying_fish, thanks
[10:43] <BSDinux> i dist-upgraded from breezy to dapper yesterday, now startx fails... i removed glcore from xorg.conf, as i suspected a nvidia-driver issue, but i still get an error. typing X on the console starts X11, but not the gdm. i am not at the box right now, but do you have any hints or ideas?
[10:44] <troy_s> bsdinux:  change driver to vesa
[10:44] <_viper> cef: i seem to have a couple of redundant hd's and scsi errors
[10:44] <frying_fish> troy_s: cool, yeah, its a great little player, you using the latest build from them (0.8.5)
[10:44] <dreamcatcher3344> do you suppose there is a place where i can get extended driver packages and put them on cd so i can install them on ubuntu and maybe fix the connection?
[10:44] <troy_s> bsdiniux:  then work on getting nvidia up and running.
[10:45] <troy_s> fry:  default apt-get... whats new in .8.5?
[10:45] <intelikey> chavo well i should specify that 'when i use X' it's twm or bb most of the time.  i play with k when i want to fiddle and twiddle.
[10:45] <BSDinux> i'll try vesa then... i used nv instead of nvidia, but that didn't help
[10:45] <chavo> intelikey, if you happen to run nautilus again it will try to paint the desktop
[10:45] <frying_fish> a lot of fixes, and a new skins set up (the new skin is quite nice)
[10:45] <troy_s> bsdinux:  always start with the standard, then work up.
[10:45] <BSDinux> aye aye
[10:45] <frying_fish> but, you have to get it from their nightlies place http://nightlies.videolan.org/
[10:45] <_viper> cef are there any utility's that you know of for initializing the drives etc?
[10:45] <troy_s> bsdinux:  it is the goto driver :)
[10:45] <cef> BSDinux: if you're using custom res stuff, you may find it's been trashed or that the driver has changed it's detection routines and is overriding youer settings
[10:45] <chavo> intelikey, but there's a gconf key that will stop it
[10:45] <frying_fish> I may even look at starting to compile it myself at some point
[10:45] <frying_fish> if I can get their dependencies sorted (never could with slackware) will do it on my dev box rather than this laptop though
[10:45] <troy_s> frying:  what's new though?
[10:45] <cef> _viper: only tools I've found were DOS based or in the card's bios
[10:45] <intelikey> chavo that's no problem.  i don't like nautilus anyway.  i could just  rm /usr/bin/nautilus  and be done with it.
[10:46] <blaze> how can i set the owner i fstab?
[10:46] <knubbe> how do i see what kernel i have?
[10:46] <BSDinux> ok thanks
[10:46] <_viper> cef how about raidutils?
[10:46] <troy_s> knubbe:  uname -r
[10:46] <blaze> how can i set the owner in fstab?
[10:46] <knubbe> troy_s: thank you
[10:46] <Ng> blaze: as in the owner of the files on the filesystem that gets mounted? if so, see "man mount" and investigate the "uid", "gid" and "umask" options
[10:46] <cef> _viper: the hardware raid cards don't talk to the standard linux raid utils. they're all software raid tools.
[10:46] <blaze> thank you :)
[10:46] <intelikey> blaze owner of fstab ?   no root needs to own that.
[10:46] <blaze> ng :)
[10:46] <carlfk> how do I find out what plugin is needed for http://gorillamask.net/videoelnino.shtml ?
[10:47] <blaze> no, intelikey :)
[10:47] <cef> _viper: is it a true dac960, or one of the ones that uses a DAC960 chip?
[10:47] <troy_s> carlfk:  totem under properties shoudl do you
[10:47] <blaze> Ng already told me what i needed :) 10x
[10:47] <frying_fish> troy_s: some better support for things.
[10:47] <carlfk> troy_s: huh?
[10:47] <Mageknight> how do you install 6.06 using edubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso on the computer itself without using a CD anympre???
[10:47] <frying_fish> and its nicer to interact with I found.
[10:47] <B1zz> *wiats for ssh to install*
[10:47] <Mageknight> how do you install 6.06 using edubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso on the computer itself without using a CD anymore???
[10:47] <troy_s> carlfk:  try loading it using totem or another media player, then look at the properties stated.
[10:47] <_viper> cef so really i should find something like serverwork GAM (global array manager) from fujitsu siemens or something
[10:48] <ompaul> !instsall
[10:48] <ubotu> ompaul: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:48] <carlfk> troy_s: it is a web page
[10:48] <ompaul> !install
[10:48] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[10:48] <intelikey> blaze i was just answering your question.  not trying to guess what you really wanted...
[10:48] <linchriss> Does anyone know what the neg-plugin does in compiz?
[10:48] <frying_fish> carlfk: it seems to load fine with the mplayer pluugin.
[10:48] <ompaul> Mageknight, ^^^ have a look up there a couple of lines
[10:48] <cef> _viper: on the one I had (a DAC960 chip card), it had issues till I properly init'ed the array using the DOS utility
[10:48] <frying_fish> and obviously you need the w32 codecs for that
[10:48] <_viper> cef poss the same thing im getting
[10:48] <cef> _viper: if it's a fujitsu/siemens machine, then I'd definitely give it a shot!
[10:49] <Mageknight> ompaul: what do you mean exactly??
[10:49] <_viper> cef but i dont see the utility to init the drives in the dac bios
[10:49] <troy_s> frying:  nope
[10:49] <troy_s> frying:  running amd64 here with no w32 and it runs fine
[10:49] <Lukkie> morning guys, quick question. On ubuntu.com it states that 6.06 LTS will have support for Sun SPARC T1 ... but I cant find the .iso for installation
[10:49] <fiendskull9> anyone noticed a big unstableness in firefox whilst using myspace?
[10:49] <cef> _viper: on the machine I was playing around with (a DEC Prioris) I had endless probs till the array was init'ed properly using the tool
[10:49] <_viper> cef thanks 4 your help
[10:49] <SirGrok> Can someone tell me the command to how Process ID numbers so that I can run the "kill" command?
[10:50] <cef> _viper: no probs.. glad to help
[10:50] <SirGrok> show*
[10:50] <troy_s> sirgrok:  ps -aux
[10:50] <SirGrok> troy_s, thanks.
[10:50] <ompaul> Mageknight, I was suggesting that if you read the page that was on the screen a moment or two ago, this one-> See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation <-- you would see how to achieve any install that is possible
[10:50] <intelikey> troy_s that will error   no dash.
[10:50] <frying_fish> troy_s: oh ok.
[10:50] <troy_s> intelikey:  it will still work, more bsd friendly
[10:50] <Lukkie> nobody? :(
[10:50] <troy_s> intelikey:  it will just bitch.  but it shouldn't...
[10:51] <intelikey> i agree   it should not.
[10:51] <BuZzY_> hello i have a phpBB2 forum installed on a server and want to export only the structure (i.e the sections and messages) whithout the theme configurations..how can i do that?i(i have phpmyadmin
[10:51] <troy_s> intelikey:  pisses me off like shutdown -hP versus -hp
[10:51] <ompaul> Lukkie, well that was a bit fast for a question expecting a reply now if you wait a moment one image may be found for you
[10:51] <troy_s> intelikey:  if the nixes would just get on teh same page...
[10:51] <ompaul> !patience
[10:51] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Please be aware there are a lot of questions, but only maybe few who might know the answer for you. Please be patient. Your attitude may determine their willingness to help you.
[10:51] <intelikey> troy_s lsb
[10:51] <Lukkie> ompaul: *hold* :)
[10:51] <Ng> Lukkie: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/dapper/main/ - is that any use
[10:51] <troy_s> lsb?
[10:52] <intelikey> linux standards base
[10:52] <Ar2No> htlp! how to add ftp user?
[10:52] <Ar2No> help! how to add ftp user?
[10:52] <cef> BuZzY_: no idea, but I'd suspect that if the theme configs are stored int he databse, they're probably either stored in a table named something like 'themes' or in a table named after the theme itself
[10:52] <troy_s> intelikey:  yah... i spose.  but i mean linux is a nix derivative... everyone should try to be nix.
[10:52] <troy_s> ar2no:  DONT
[10:52] <troy_s> ar2no:  it is too insecure.
[10:52] <BuZzY_> cef: i want to copy only structure ..
[10:53] <troy_s> ar2no:  use ssh
[10:53] <BuZzY_> not theme
[10:53] <Lukkie> Ng: mmm ... could be something :)
[10:53] <cef> BuZzY_: best off looking on a phpBB2 forum though
[10:53] <KenSentMe> Ar2No: most ftp servers use system users as ftp users, so when you add a system user and create it's home, than that user is a new ftp user and the files go in his home folder
[10:53] <Lukkie> Dapper = latest release?
[10:53] <Ng> Lukkie: correct
[10:53] <KenSentMe> Lukkie: yes
[10:53] <troy_s> ar2no:  it is worth noting that the ONLY remote hole in openbsd came in the ftpd server.  think about it.
[10:53] <Auckland_Pig> troy_s: Faileas : finally got VNC working to the gnome login screen... had to tweak with the XDMCP settings, they changed (probably i replaced them) during dapper upgrade :D
[10:54] <ompaul> Lukkie, afik its not fully ready but I have seen it about
[10:54] <intelikey> linux is not a unix derivative    unix has been a large contributer to linux but travold would disagree about the origen  and so would stalman
[10:54] <Ar2No> KenSentMe so I just need to add normal user? so what is the normal command that use to add normal user?
[10:54] <troy_s> ar2no:  ssh was intended to replace ALL of those insecure protocols -- telnet, ftp, etc.
[10:54] <ompaul> Lukkie, translation, I am still looking
[10:54] <Lukkie> mini.iso ... lets download and burn it! :)
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[10:54] <troy_s> ar2no:  please don't use ftp.  your insecurity is everyone's insecurity.
[10:55] <B1zz> ??
[10:55] <B1zz> what was that?
[10:55] <ompaul> B1zz, a muppet
[10:55] <B1zz> hehehe
[10:55] <B1zz> gotcha
[10:55] <troy_s> b1zz:  channel skript kiddie.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> nice work, calling ops in advertantly...
[10:55] <ompaul> there was that
[10:55] <Ar2No> troy_s so what is the command to add ssh user? complete with his home directory? please help me abit..
[10:55] <Hobbsee> i would have thougth that you wanted to *miss* the ops, so you could keep spamming...
[10:55] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[10:55] <ubotu> I guess ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[10:56] <troy_s> ar2no:  ssh is simply based on your basic system.  add a user using adduser and you get ssh for free.
[10:56] <intelikey> Ar2No normal user is ssh user
[10:56] <intelikey> man useradd
[10:57] <troy_s> ar2no:  and you won't be subjecting all of the world to further exploitation via owned systems.
[10:57] <Ar2No> troy_s u mean like this sudo useradd troy_s
[10:58] <troy_s> ar2no:  use the gnome user adder if you want
[10:58] <intelikey> own your home   not your neibours box....
[10:58] <troy_s> ar2no:  but man useradd is a good start as per intelikey
[10:58] <troy_s> intelikey:  well said.
[10:58] <ompaul> Lukkie,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20060531/ have a look in there - as I said it is not ready yet that I know of
[10:58] <Ar2No> troy_s actually I dont have GUI on my server
[10:59] <Lukkie> ompaul: if this is gonne work ... IOU one :)
[10:59] <ompaul> Lukkie, help people :-) irc is the bittorrent help :-)
[10:59] <troy_s> http://bsdfreak.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=458 -- everyone should know about that.
[10:59] <dark_light> i am on dapper amd64 and i see that some libs have a 32bits version on amd64 (i mean, there are libs starting with lib32, like lib32gcc1 package), but i want some other libs, like libsdl1.2debian, what can i do? i don't really want to build a lib32sdl1.2debian package
[10:59] <troy_s> support openbsd guys -- we are all on the same team.
[11:00] <Ar2No> troy_s let say if i want to add user just type ->useradd kamal -d /home/kamal
[11:00] <phreak97> ok, i cant make my microphone work. it works but volume is ULTRA low
[11:00] <ompaul> troy_s, it has been known for several months, and some people do not have sympathy for Theo, others do
[11:00] <troy_s> johnowak:  if openbsd had openoffice and such, i am sure more would use it.
[11:01] <troy_s> ompaul:  but many many many people use ssh.  and well, ssh alone is worth supporting the brothren.
[11:02] <B1zz> did you enable mic bost phreak97?
[11:02] <B1zz> mic boost*
[11:02] <johnnowak> ompaul: It has nothing to do with Theo.
[11:02] <phreak97> no?
[11:02] <B1zz> try that
[11:03] <johnnowak> troy_s: Openoffice is crap.
[11:03] <troy_s> johnowak:  well it has upside to the folks who are msoffice stuck.
[11:03] <troy_s> johnowak:  and to vert takes tools...
[11:03] <Ng> johnnowak: please mind the language and personal opinions ;)
[11:03] <johnnowak> troy_s: I don't think many are considering moving from MS to OpenBSD :)
[11:03] <johnnowak> Ng: "Crap"?
[11:03] <intelikey> abiword
[11:03] <phreak97> how do i change the recording source?
[11:03] <ompaul> guys can you keep it to ontopic
[11:04] <phreak97> if i open the recording level app i get nothing
[11:04] <ompaul> phreak97, play with audacity and see what you get
[11:04] <Ng> johnnowak: indeed, this is a family rated channel :)
[11:04] <ompaul> Ng, thats !lanugage
[11:05] <disinterested_pe> ompaul can u tell me how to play a dvd wma format in xmms?
[11:05] <phreak97> what's audacity?
[11:05] <ompaul> !tell disinterested_pe about restricted
[11:05] <rpaul> phreak97: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
[11:05] <freeflying|away> ompaul: hi
[11:05] <ompaul> that is all I know disinterested_pe
[11:05] <ompaul> freeflying|away, hi there
[11:06] <disinterested_pe> ive been there and have got the wma plugin installed
[11:06] <mathfeel> hey, just starting using Ubuntu within the last few hours...
[11:06] <disinterested_pe> ok ty
[11:06] <mathfeel> can anyone tell me if certain software is not in apt-tree...
[11:06] <freeflying|away> ompaul: RX packets:4916151 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:5877 --< why the value of frame keep increase
[11:06] <ompaul> disinterested_pe, try clicking on the track and see if that works
[11:06] <Auckland_Pig> !ping
[11:06] <ubotu> pong
[11:06] <CrippsFX> hm ... off topic question here ... but does anybody know of any good websites for finding cheap flights in europe?
[11:06] <mathfeel> how do I grab 'em?
[11:06] <Auckland_Pig> !pong
[11:06] <ubotu> ping
[11:06] <Auckland_Pig> grrrr ubotu
[11:06] <mathfeel> for example, Amarok only has version 1.3, but i need 1.4 for some feature...
[11:06] <disinterested_pe> i cant even get the tracks to show in xmms
[11:06] <CrippsFX> !ping
[11:07] <ompaul> Auckland_Pig, playing with the bot is not on
[11:07] <Auckland_Pig> ompaul: :-(
[11:07] <zcat[1] > To play DVD's you need libdvdcss .. it's got nothing to do with wma.
[11:07] <ompaul> Auckland_Pig, there are 800+ here, please
[11:07] <ompaul> disinterested_pe, right go to nautilus right click on a track and see what opens
[11:08] <rpaul> mathfeel: amarok 1.3 is the official packaged version of amarok.  ubuntu won't get a new version until its next release in 6 months
[11:08] <disinterested_pe> ok
[11:08] <ompaul> freeflying|away, no idea,
[11:08] <freeflying|away> ompaul: thx
[11:08] <xophEr> rpaul, isnt it possible via backports?
[11:08] <rpaul> mathfeel: what features of 1.4 do you need, it seemed almost the same as 1.3 to me
[11:09] <rpaul> xophEr: i think so.  are they setup yet?
[11:09] <Auckland_Pig> ompaul: there used to be some channel where we can play with ubotu and other bots, any idea where it is?
[11:09] <mathfeel> i have a laptop running gentoo with 1.4 on it
[11:09] <xophEr> rpaul, no idea :/
[11:09] <ompaul> !bot
[11:09] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[11:09] <apokryphos> Auckland_Pig: #debian-bots
[11:09] <mathfeel> and it can just play mp3 off of url...
[11:09] <mathfeel> basically I am using apache2 to host my mp3s...
[11:09] <zcat[1] > you can /msg the bot too...
[11:09] <rpaul> mathfeel: ah yes, finally support for streaming urls.
[11:10] <croco> how do i replace the pre-installed gnu java with the sun one?
[11:10] <zcat[1] > Hmmmm.. not many updates since 1/6 ...
[11:10] <ompaul> !timetable
[11:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more.
[11:11] <zcat[1] > new compiz thought. I wonder what Quinn has given us today!
[11:11] <ompaul> zcat[1] , ^^^ read that 1/6 was a release date
[11:11] <rpaul> mathfeel: i think it may be added through backports sometime.  that is your best bet.  i'm primarily a gentoo user so i'm not sure
[11:11] <mathfeel> in this regard...i actually like gentoo better, caz it's portage is constantly updated (although thing breaks every now and then)
[11:11] <apokryphos> zcat[1] : LMK if there's anything good/decent please ;-)
[11:12] <rpaul> mathfeel: yeah, gentoo evolves instead of jumping forward every 6 months
[11:12] <zcat[1] > ompaul: bugs still get fixed though don't they? I'm waiting for a fix on acidrip and kino. Then my life will be complete :)
[11:12] <mathfeel> but the ease of ubuntu amazes me...
[11:12] <gharz> guys... does beagle work with ubuntu dapper?
[11:12] <phreak97> "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. you will not be able to play or record audio"
[11:12] <phreak97> HELP
[11:12] <gharz> how can i run it?
[11:12] <apokryphos> gharz: yes
[11:12] <crimsun> rpaul: "jumping forward" is based on /when/ a user updates, though, in both distros.
[11:13] <gharz> i cna't find it in Applications.
[11:13] <mathfeel> btw, whenever ubuntu updates, do I need to download/burn new CD and ramp the system with it?
[11:13] <gharz> i've already installed beagle
[11:13] <apokryphos> mathfeel: no, see the FAQ
[11:13] <rpaul> crimsun: that is true, but you can choose to update every day if you wanted to with gentoo
[11:13] <mathfeel> or is there more "gentle" way of just using some GUI thing..
[11:13] <cynical> mathfeel: no just do apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <ompaul> zcat[1] , no only security fixes, unless there is some "compelling reason"
[11:13] <Jowi> quick question: is /etc/cron.weekly run automatically or does it need to be set up with cron or crontab?
[11:13] <crimsun> rpaul: same way with Debian/Ubuntu
[11:13] <apokryphos> mathfeel: exactly
[11:13] <intelikey> doing dist-upgrade without changing the sources.list installs security updates and bug fixes ?
[11:13] <zcat[1] > I installed beagle. Then I uninstalled it. I might try again in edgy but I don't think it's quite 'ready' yet :)
[11:14] <rpaul> crimsun: ubuntu only add new versions of software for a new release (except for fixes)
[11:14] <apokryphos> intelikey: a certain  amount of things might be allowed into the dapper-updates repository, which is essentially bugfixes, yes.
[11:14] <phreak97> ompaul, help?
[11:14] <ompaul> !anyone
[11:14] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[11:14] <phreak97> error: Host error.
[11:14] <ompaul> phreak97, context
[11:14] <crimsun> rpaul: discounting -backports, yes.
[11:14] <intelikey> i guess i should do that, seeing i now use hoary and it's no longer supported.
[11:14] <rpaul> crimsun: are the backports setup yet for ubuntu?
[11:14] <intelikey> apokryphos ^
[11:15] <Ng> rpaul: there's nothing to backport yet
[11:15] <cynical> intelikey: make sure to update your sources.list file before you do dist-upgrade
[11:15] <crimsun> rpaul: they have been since hoary
[11:15] <ompaul> intelikey, it is for another 4 months
[11:15] <phreak97> ompaul, i started audacity and it says theres an error with the audio i/o layer
[11:15] <ompaul> phreak97, no idea
[11:15] <rpaul> crimsun: ok, i should add it to my sources list then
[11:15] <zcat[1] > hmmm.. there's a patch for kino, I may have to just use that in the meantime..
[11:15] <crimsun> rpaul: we're just a lot more conservative in backporting, as in the build requirements are much more stringent
[11:15] <rpaul> Ng: amarok 1.4 would be a prime candidate for backporting