[12:59] <troy_s> burning:  no, the dapper release update...
[12:59] <burning_bronx> I know - I told you I made this system perfectly workin' on x86 ubuntu
[12:59] <troy_s> burning you need > 16 right?
[12:59] <burning_bronx> I need 16 or above
[12:59] <jel> can someone with /dev/snd/midiC0D0 tell me the major/minor number?  Or, how do I create this when using timidity?
[01:00] <neoxan> anyone else got that problem? (i cant use the shortkey print, to print a screenshot, while the menu is open)
[01:00] <nico8481> apokryphos: filed a bug report for the amaroK problem
[01:00] <neoxan> is that a bug?
[01:00] <troy_s> burning:  is the officially released updates that far?
[01:00] <apokryphos> nico8481: cool
[01:00] <troy_s> burning:  with ubuntu, or do you manually need to compile?
[01:00] <burning_bronx> troy_s, in ubuntu there is no 2.6.16
[01:00] <nico8481> apokryphos: yup, no news though...
[01:00] <burning_bronx> that's the whole problem.
[01:01] <troy_s> burning:  ok so your ONLY option is manual compile then, correct?
[01:01] <burning_bronx> 2.6.17 would also work but it's still testing ;)
[01:01] <burning_bronx> yeh
[01:01] <jel> neoxan: probably not so much a bug as an oversight or design limitation.  Use a program that snapshots after a timeout
[01:01] <troy_s> burning:  and you don't have net ax, so you can't achieve this...  can you burn the stuffs to disk and compile there?
[01:02] <troy_s> burning:  or better yet, head down to compucheapbitsparts and buy a 10 dollar nic.
[01:02] <burning_bronx> troy_s, I have a 10 dollar nic
[01:02] <troy_s> burning:  nvidia sucks on so manylevels.
[01:02] <burning_bronx> and it's supposed to have 200% compatibilyt but it doesn't.
[01:02] <troy_s> burning:  what chipset
[01:02] <burning_bronx> told you - the nvidia 410
[01:02] <nico8481> burning_bronx: buy a $15 one :)
[01:02] <troy_s> burning:  no the add on nic
[01:02] <burning_bronx> nico8481 you buy me one - I came here for support not for merchandise
[01:03] <nico8481> hehe
[01:03] <burning_bronx> troy_s, it's a realtek 8139
[01:03] <troy_s> burning:  nvidia's stuff is NOT 100% compatible.  you can usually get them up.
[01:03] <troy_s> burning:  ahh...
[01:03] <troy_s> burning:  and the realtek has that bug issue i bet.
[01:03] <jel> troy_s: when you're typing names, you can complete them with tab in most programs.  (So, burning + tab == burning_bronx:).  Just, when you enter the full name, it highlights the message for the recipient
[01:04] <troy_s> burning_bronx: the name collisions
[01:04] <troy_s> jel:  danke
[01:04] <jel> welcome :)
[01:04] <burning_bronx> troy_s, nVidia's onboard card has the forcedeth issue, the realtek card is on PCI and has some other issue that makes me cry
[01:04] <troy_s> burning_bronx: hang in there.  the change is worth it.
[01:04] <burning_bronx> however got them both working while I was running 32 bit buntu
[01:04] <troy_s> burning_bronx: i was working on getting someone help with the realtek.
[01:05] <troy_s> burning_bronx: the solution for the realtek is to download the newer package and dpkg-add it.
[01:05] <burning_bronx> newer package of what
[01:05] <burning_bronx> ?
[01:05] <Juhaz> neoxan, jel, yes, it's a design decision. gtk deliberately grabs the keyboard when it draws a menu
[01:05] <troy_s> burning_bronx: let me look
[01:05] <_Hug[o] _> fyrestrtr, This is a hardisk, how can I check out?
[01:06] <damg> thanks for praying, symlink to /usr works ^^
[01:06] <eamon> HI, DVD issue, jumpy image, need to give it more resources, how?
[01:06] <_Hug[o] _> fyrestrtr, are you there?
[01:07] <troy_s> burning_bronx: udev
[01:07] <flo-_> hy all. i need some help , iesterday all workt fine with the internet conection but today when i go in sitem settings and tri to change somethin with the network config. i get ip adress gateway nn valid or something like that, mi conection is up and running becouse now im ussing a live knoopix, on hd there is a dapper, please help and excuse my english
[01:08] <troy_s> burning_bronx: Bug is in udev package, 079-0ubuntu8 is OK But 079-0ubuntu9 and 079-0ubuntu10 add bug in eth
[01:08] <burning_bronx> so the latest stuff in dapper is buggy?
[01:08] <burning_bronx> and the package on the CD is buggy?
[01:09] <troy_s> burning_bronx: clear /etc/iftab and et0 is ok using udev_079-0ubuntu11
[01:09] <troy_s> burning_bronx: those are cut pastes... so download the 11 version of udev
[01:09] <papapep> flo-_: You should take a look at your /etc/network/interfaces file, to see what you have in it
[01:09] <CrippsFX> is anyone else here running azureus, and getting the "NAT Errors" thing?
[01:09] <troy_s> burning_bronx: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128276&page=2
[01:09] <troy_s> burning_bronx: now i must return to bed.
[01:10] <troy_s> burning_bronx: the very latest fixes the issue in dapper.  there was a bug added in udev9 udev10
[01:10] <cherwin> CrippsFX: no because we enabled port mapping on our routers :^)
[01:10] <CrippsFX> cherwin, port mapping. okay. which port has to be mapped?
[01:11] <flo-_> papapep: what should y look for?
[01:11] <papapep> for the default gateway
[01:11] <cherwin> CripssFX: that's up to you to decide, i advise you to set it up at a high numbered port, because isp's sometimes cap p2p traffic on known ports
[01:12] <burning_bronx> troy_s, up untill yesterday I had the latest issues of everything when did that package appear?
[01:12] <cherwin> CrippsFX: check this out http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/NAT_problem
[01:13] <_Hug[o] _> Can anyone help me with this error "Buffer I/O error on device hdb1, logical block ...." ?
[01:13] <CrippsFX> cherwin, yeah, I'm there now.
[01:14] <linux_noob> I am not able to download ubuntu. Can anybody send me a link? It must be for Dapper.
[01:14] <Frogzoo> !tell linux_noob about torrent
[01:14] <detectiveinspekt> where do links to programs go? In gentoo it was /usr/bin
[01:16] <Noir_> Anyone can help me in some wireless connection probs?
[01:16] <ic56> detectiveinspekt: /usr/bin is standard place for programs in Ubuntu too, though I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "links to programs".
[01:16] <cherwin> CrippsFX: azureus has a port set up, you can check which port that is in your settings. when you see the port number write it down or something, then go to your router to the menu virtual servers, mapping or something like that. when you're there map a outside port to your inside port e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>:9999 --> <IP_ADDRESS>:2345
[01:17] <detectiveinspekt> shortcuts
[01:17] <imarvind> there are no such things as shortcuts
[01:17] <imarvind> all system commands are in usr bin
[01:17] <stephan__> can someone give me the faqs on nvidia and dapper
[01:17] <detectiveinspekt> I have a program in  /usr/local/something
[01:17] <zcat[1] _> !nvidia
[01:17] <ubotu> well, nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:18] <vooharmy> hello anyone know why ndiswrapper wont work in drapper
[01:18] <imarvind> what do u want to execute
[01:18] <Hobbsee> vooharmy: define "wont work"
[01:18] <detectiveinspekt> so I normally just make a script #!bin/bash /usr/local/something
[01:18] <zcat[1] _> detectiveinspekt: 'which foo' will tell you where foo is located
[01:18] <imarvind> u just need to type out the full path in the terminal for it to run
[01:18] <tijn> hi all
[01:18] <ic56> detectiveinspekt: I think by shortcuts you mean "abbreviations".  /usr/bin is a good place.  But there are other ways to achieve the same thing.
[01:18] <Noir_> Anyone else having problems with Intel Wireless pro 2200b/g wireless card?
[01:18] <vooharmy> Well under breezy works nder drapper wnt work
[01:19] <Noir_> I have breezy and i can't connect
[01:19] <imarvind> change ur script to reflect the location of ur program
[01:19] <papapep> Noir_: Mine is working perfectly....
[01:19] <Hobbsee> vooharmy: any particular reason why it wont work - like any errors?  or just "it wont work"
[01:19] <jel> does anyone have /dev/snd/midiC0D0 ?
[01:19] <cherwin> imarvind: on the contrary, there are sometimes shortcuts (actually soft-links) in /usr/bin do a 'ls -l' to see it for yourself
[01:19] <imarvind> which <name> will return the location of the file
[01:20] <jel> if so, can you tell me what ls -l /dev/snd/midiC0D0 says?
[01:20] <imarvind> yes cherwin...but i dont think thats what  detect was talking aboyt
[01:20] <vooharmy> hobbsee: Under breezy my card wasnt even recognised at all
[01:20] <vooharmy> hobbsee: but ndiswrapper worked perfectly
[01:21] <Hobbsee> vooharmy: which card?  and what happens now?  card is recognised, but it wont connect?
[01:21] <vooharmy> hobbsee yes its a broadcome bcmwl5
[01:21] <vooharmy> hobbsee recognised but wont connect
[01:21] <Hobbsee> vooharmy: ah, arent there native drivers for that?
[01:21] <imarvind> detectinspeckt: do a ln <file1> <file 2> to create a hard link bw two files
[01:21] <vooharmy> hobbsee: really?
[01:21] <imarvind> its thats indeed what u want to do
[01:22] <Hobbsee> vooharmy: maybe, i thought so, check on ubuntuforums.org
[01:22] <Hobbsee> in the howto section
[01:22] <imarvind> confirm that its effective by ls -i to compare the inode no of both files.. they should be same
[01:22] <vooharmy> hobbsee ok ill go look thx for the tip
[01:22] <zcat[1] _> btw; if you drag-and-drop home from the places menu onto your desktop, you get an icon that looks like home and opens the home folder, but if you drag other stuff onto the icon rather than the opened window it doesn't behave like any other desktop folder. Counterintuative. Someone should fix that :(
[01:23] <tijn> erhm
[01:23] <eamon> DVD jumpy image, howto give more resources?
[01:23] <tijn> how can i find out a device name?
[01:23] <vooharmy> hobbsee yep good tip thx
[01:24] <tijn> ive got a wireless usb stick, installed the driver, but i dont know the device name
[01:24] <xmadmin> how do i upgrade my OS from bb to dd?
[01:24] <cherwin> imarvind: yes i know that too, but isn't it better to explain something to someone so that he (or she) knows what you mean. if you say there or no such things as shorcuts, with no further explanation what so ever, he will take that for the truth, and that clouds there experience with linux etc
[01:24] <ic56> !tell xmadmin about upgrade
[01:25] <pookey> hey all. I'm trying to install ubuntu onto an LVM setup, however the installer doesn't appear to support LVM - am I missing something?
[01:25] <detectiveinspekt> thanks imarvind, that would work better
[01:25] <steveire> The command 'grep -R 'hello' *.*' doesn't work. If someone can see what I'm trying to do, cn you tell me how to fix the command?
[01:25] <kasim> hi, my dapper (alternate) CD installs fails badly not able to detect my IDE-disk on my new Asus K8N4-E board. any hints?
[01:25] <zcat[1] _> ummm.. ln -s makes shortcuts doesn't it? It even shows the little shortcut icon very much like windows handles them...
[01:25] <pookey> steveire: just put '*'
[01:26] <imarvind> well actually speaking.. a link isnt exactly a shortcut.. so
[01:26] <steveire> cool cheers
[01:26] <cherwin> pooley: at startup you can define which kernel you want to use (at least with debian) try to choose one with support for LVM and if i'm correct, you'll see an option with LVM
[01:26] <imarvind> didnt want to get into the nitty gritties of ufs there
[01:27] <zcat[1] _> right-click, make link.. behaves 110% like a windows 'shortcut' ..
[01:27] <imarvind> yup
[01:27] <imarvind> ln -s makes a link too
[01:27] <pookey> cherwin: ah.. it's the detaulf kernel that doesn't support LVM on the install disk? how strange, LVM is hardly rare these days.  having googled it looks like I might have to use the alternative install CD...
[01:27] <imarvind> but thats a symbolic link
[01:27] <imarvind> not a hard link
[01:27] <imarvind> ln -s can be used to link folders
[01:27] <thermal> Hello. Just upgraded to dapper.  Can't get apt-get to connect, but firefox can pick up the files without a problem.  Tried to turn of IPv6, but no luck. Any clues?
[01:27] <ic56> zcat[1] _: ln -s makes (s)ymbolic links.  WindowsNT's implementation of "shortcuts" is somewhat similar to symbolic links and people coming from windows justifiably think of them this way.  However, note that in a Windows shortcut, you have a preferences tab in which you can configure things like start directory and command line options.  No such thing with symbolic links -- for that, you use scripts in Linux.
[01:28] <zcat[1] _> Yes, 100% like a shortcut.. you can do things like mail it and the recipient will get the actual file rather than a useless .lnk (yes, I have seen this many times)
[01:28] <webmind> can anyone tell me where the hotplug dir is for the firmware of my wifi usb stick ?
[01:28] <cherwin> imarvind: but windows users have a better time understanding what a link is if you compare it to shortcuts
[01:28] <zcat[1] _> so it's even better than a windows shortcut.. it does everything a windows shortcut does plus more :)
[01:29] <imarvind> i guess cherwin
[01:29] <imarvind> my bad for being too technical there :)
[01:29] <samuli> thermal, the obvious question: are your repositories good? Other thing might be that you should have proxy enabled.
[01:29] <DataCore> Hi
[01:29] <DataCore> all
[01:29] <sve> Hello people
[01:30] <DataCore> sup
[01:30] <sve> I havent done this in ages - chattig on mirc - I'm playing around with the Ubuntu internet applications
[01:30] <pookey> can someone tell me what the 'alternative' install CD is for?
[01:30] <thermal> Thanks smuli. Direct connection.  Can ping and manually download from repos.  Driving me nuts!
[01:30] <nickolay> hello, trying out dapper from a live cd. It recognized my ntfs partitions correctly, but mounted them under /tmp, accessible to root only. Is it how it is supposed to work?
[01:30] <ompaul> !winfstab
[01:30] <ubotu> in fstab it should look **like** this:: /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,ro,user,umask=000 0       0
[01:31] <imarvind> make a mountpoint where u want to mount the ntfs slices
[01:31] <samuli> thermal, that's really odd then.. what does sudo apt-get update say?
[01:31] <zcat[1] _> pookey: machines than can't run the GUI installer (due to lack of memory, requirement of special modules, whatever)
[01:31] <imarvind> then use the mount command to mount them
[01:31] <ompaul> nickolay, that is how it is readable by the worlds you can't write to it though
[01:31] <sve> @pookey - for updating from previous versions
[01:31] <imarvind> edit /etc/fstab to automount on boot
[01:31] <ic56> nickolay: no, /tmp is not a good place for ntfs partitions.  There is a script to fix that. you want?
[01:31] <pookey> zcat[1] _: ahh, I just found if I look at an http mirror ratehr then ftp, it shows reasons, thanks
[01:31] <cherwin> pookey: beats me.. i'm not an ubuntu user, just looking at the experiences that people have
[01:31] <gambi> is it possible to install dapper out of knoppix? maybe with just some changes in the sourcelist?
[01:31] <pookey> cherwin: I'm a gentoo users ;)
[01:32] <nickolay> ompaul: I can't navigate to it using GUI though, so it is a suboptimal default choice
[01:32] <kallei> im trying to  su -s -H  but i get "No shell"  ??? how do i solve that?
[01:32] <nickolay> I know how to configure this
[01:32] <nickolay> was just wondering if it worked how it was supposed to work
[01:32] <cherwin> pookey: running slackware <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:32] <ic56> nickolay: just run this script<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:32] <imarvind> what exactly do u require nickolay
[01:32] <zcat[1] _> I think you can still make the liveCD do some textmode stuff anyhow.. not sure if it can still do a full textmode install though.
[01:32] <imarvind> the answer depends on that
[01:33] <NoMP3> I have installed Ubuntu 6.06.  I am trying to play mp3s in Rhythmbox.  I installed gstreamer0.8-misc on a whim, because I do not know what to do.... other than what 9,000 command line people say on Google.  So, what's the answer?  How does this work?
[01:33] <ic56> nickolay: it will move your NTFS mount points to /media
[01:33] <DataCore> Hi, I'm trying to connect to a wireless network and having difficulty connecting to a WPA-PSK as it only lets me have the option of 'WEP', anyone?
[01:33] <ompaul> nickolay, if your not happy with it, not having _any_ ntfs in any of the 5 machines in the house I don't have a problem with it ;-
[01:33] <cherwin> DataCore: try wpa_supplicant
[01:33] <zcat[1] _> !mp3
[01:33] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:33] <nickolay> imarvind: does it work correctly (in that you can navigate the partitions using nautilus) for anybody
[01:33] <samuli> NoMP3: dapper uses gstreamer-0.10
[01:34] <DataCore> cherwin, thanks, will try that
[01:34] <NoMP3> samuli: so I should uninstall 0.8?
[01:34] <samuli> !tell NoMP3 about restricted formats
[01:34] <thermal> samuli, it comes with a list of connection errors and some "Ign".
[01:34] <ompaul> nickolay, with it :-) [woops enter was not the intention]  so I suggest that you want it to offer to mount them readable straight off the bat request it in launchpad
[01:34] <samuli> thermal :(
[01:34] <steveire> If I select to install server at install time, will I get a very minimal installation of ubuntu?
[01:34] <tijn> ive got a wireless usb stick, installed the driver, but i dont know the device name, how do i find out?
[01:34] <imarvind> mount /dev/hda<x> /<mountpoint> ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[01:34] <NoMP3> samuli:  i see 10 fluendo.  is that the same thing?
[01:35] <brokenthorn> j #ck
[01:35] <cherwin> tijn: try iwconfig
[01:35] <samuli> NoMP3: what.. fluendo?
[01:35] <kandinski> sound doesn't work on my ubuntu-dapper and I don't even know how to diagnose it
[01:35] <cherwin> tijn: then you'll see what interfaces are wireless
[01:35] <nickolay> ompaul: since I'm not involved with ubuntu deeply, I wanted to know how this is supposed to work first :)
[01:35] <tijn> none
[01:35] <brokenthorn> Does ubuntu use usplash?
[01:35] <NoMP3> samuli:  I am reading the wiki
[01:35] <cherwin> tijn, you can also take a look at dmesg
[01:35] <wotdu> hi
[01:35] <tijn> cherwin did that
[01:35] <thermal> samuli - That's my feeling too.  I've rebooted into 5.10, using FC5 at work.  Hoping to get it fixed.
[01:35] <kandinski> can anyone help me diagnose my sound little by little?
[01:35] <NoMP3> samuli: gstreamer10... mine sayd gstreamer10 fluendo
[01:35] <tijn> but only saw it was using address 19
[01:35] <nickolay> and another question, are ati radeon X1xxx cards supported by ubuntu?
[01:35] <NoMP3> samuli: I dont know what fluendo is either =]
[01:35] <tijn> no device name
[01:35] <samuli> thermal, have you tried aptitude?
[01:36] <tijn> cherwin: sit0 aint a device right?
[01:36] <nickolay> the whatever package I was told to install said it was for X800 and below
[01:36] <ompaul> nickolay it appears to be, and as is now obvious ;-) I don't have ntfs ... if you care to wait a moment I will get a url of how it should be done, if your not happy with that - then go for launchpad
[01:36] <NoMP3> samuli:  thank youi!  fluendo works!
[01:36] <thermal> That's a good idea samuli.  Thanks.  I'll reboot, and I'll be back.
[01:36] <Pasteurized> Where can I find XGL/Compiz help channel ?
[01:36] <NoMP3> thank you to everyone!
[01:36] <ic56> nickolay: just run this script<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:36] <cherwin> tijn: unload the module, then load it again, you'll will see someting in your dmesg, if that's not the case then something is wrong
[01:37] <wotdu> im using win xp 64bit version of mrv8k driver for my wireless card (asus WL-138G) with ndiswrapper, but i get lots of errors like this: "[ 1044.257527]  mrv8k: Received a ieee802.11 MGMT Frame, subtype invalid type 15, duration=0000
[01:37] <wotdu> [ 1044.257530]  mrv8k: You have received an error: Rx Stuck! Reset RX and BBU"
[01:37] <cherwin> tijn: sit0 is your serial interface if i'm not correct
[01:37] <nickolay> Ic56: again, I know how to configure this manually, and ubuntu almost did the job. I care about usability for people migrating from windows though
[01:37] <nickolay> ompaul: that would be great, thanks
[01:38] <tijn> cherwin: a yes thought it was something like that :)     usbcore: registered new driver zd1211
[01:38] <DataCore> Ok, is there anything easier then WPAsuppliment ? :P
[01:38] <wotdu> if someone could help me :)
[01:38] <ic56> nickolay: oh, ok.   The consensus seems to be that /media is the better place because people coming from windows expect to find their windows filesystems there -- from Places> Computer
[01:38] <brokenthorn> There is a fbsplash and a bootsplash -beyond patchset. Which do I use for Ubuntu Dapper Drake? I think it's bootsplash...
[01:38] <tijn> but i dont see a device name...
[01:38] <tijn> wierd
[01:39] <Hattori> !fglrx
[01:39] <ubotu> hmm... ati is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[01:39] <ompaul> nickolay, read this, - as for the gnomishness I to think it should handle this sweeter  http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/desktopguide/en_GB/partitions-booting.html
[01:39] <ic56> nickolay: the official directions in the Ubuntu user guide instruct the user to place their FSs in /media
[01:39] <DataCore> Like an addon for the Tool in 'System->Administration->Networking'
[01:39] <nickolay> ic56: what surprised me was that the partitions were auto-mounted, but only for the root user. Makes no sense to me
[01:40] <ic56> nickolay: how do you mean "for the root user"?  a mount option of "uid=0"?
[01:41] <cherwin> DataCore: wpa_supplicant isn't that hard. just read the readme and the install file (of course go through the man page as well). you have to force yourself to read those files on a regular basis in linux or else you'll wind up at irc channels for every small thing
[01:41] <samuli> I had my windows partitions mounted for read-access ntfs and +rw for fat32. Dapper even displayed nice shortcuts on the desktop
[01:41] <ompaul> nickolay, it is the function of the prime user to allow others new hardware playgrounds - little johnny aged 3.4 with gcompris should maybe not be able to navigate to the windows partition, after all you really don't want to expose a kid the the horrors of NTFS ;-)
[01:41] <nickolay> ic56: no it doesn't have that option, but normal user can't access the mounted partitions
[01:41] <zcat[1] _> bt default they get mounted owned and only readable by root and
[01:42] <kallei> how do i compile my kernel with ntfs support?
[01:42] <xice> question: how can i create a file named <the actual date> ??
[01:42] <nickolay> ompaul: :)
[01:42] <zcat[1] _> mount /dev/foo /media/foo -o mask=000  I think is the required magic..
[01:42] <ompaul> kallei, you don't, it fails to work on Ubuntu and it is called watch ubotus next words
[01:42] <ompaul> !captive
[01:42] <ubotu> captive is, like, a project to use windows NTFS drivers under linux. It does not work properly with Ubuntu.
[01:42] <steveire> If I select to install server at install time, will I get a very minimal installation of ubuntu?
[01:42] <nickolay> ompaul:  consider a windows person trying out ubunntu live cd. He's expecting it to make the windows data available to him easily
[01:42] <fyrestrtr> yes
[01:42] <wotdu> i'm using mrv8k drivers for win xp 64bit with ndiswrapper but i get these errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15520 , could anyone help me with this please?
[01:43] <ic56> nickolay: sounds like the umask isn't set.  If you know how to fix it, then just do so.  If you don't run the script.  And perhaps we should consider this a bug in the installer?
[01:43] <papapep> steveire: Yes
[01:43] <ompaul> nickolay, so the place to chant your wishes is launchpad.net
[01:43] <samuli> steveire, yes, You only get the basic system without desktop-environment
[01:43] <tijn> isnt there any tool to find out a device name?
[01:43] <steveire> and will it be a LAMP set up already? What else will it have?
[01:43] <nickolay> ic56: ok
[01:44] <kallei> ompaul:  what?  i got the mounting to work on the 2.6.15-amd64-generic  kernel but  not on my own compiled one, then i get the error :  mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /media/western1 busy   what should i do about this?
[01:44] <nickolay> anybody knows the answer to my question about ATI radeon x1XXX?
[01:44] <zcat[1] _> I thought the live CD put things like 'hda1' on the desktop for windows filesystems...
[01:44] <wotdu> could anyone please answer me ? : /
[01:44] <cherwin> nickolay, what was your question?
[01:44] <ompaul> kallei, cd /media/western1 and have a look
[01:44] <zcat[1] _> kallei: df will tell you if it's already mounted
[01:44] <kallei> its not mounted ...
[01:44] <steveire> I'm planning to do that and then install some small DE. I only want to use the installation as a test server. So I'll install some small DE and firefox or something...?
[01:44] <kallei> and the dir is empty
[01:45] <velusip> :# edquota; "edquota: Can't exec"
[01:45] <nickolay> cherwin:  does the driver in xorg-driver-fglrx package support those
[01:45] <samuli> steveire, sounds like a plan.
[01:45] <kallei> as i said, its working with the distro kernel, but not my custom compiled,  maybe i missed some module or something?
[01:45] <ompaul> wotdu, if your using ndiswrapper you may need to consider 32bit drivers - keep that in mind
[01:45] <nickolay> cherwin:  its description doesn't say it does
[01:45] <tijn> cherwin: maybe i need additional tools, like linux-wlan-ng? does that make sense? :)
[01:45] <zcat[1] _> someone's cd'd into the mountpoint thus making it 'busy' perhaps?
[01:45] <samuli> steveire, you might like to try sudo apt-get install xfce4-core for example.
[01:45] <mitja> Does --prefix=path work with autogen.sh?
[01:45] <steveire> Cool, well I already have a boot partition yoo
[01:45] <wotdu> ompaul, i've tried them but they seem not to work also
[01:46] <wotdu> i'm on amd64 btw
[01:46] <steveire> too*, so can I use the existing kernal, or will it try to install a second one?
[01:46] <cherwin> nickolay: just try it out and see for yourself, if it doesn't work then you'll just have to revert to xorg.conf.bak
[01:47] <cherwin> tijn: the only tools you need is the driver correctly installed and wireless-tools
[01:47] <cherwin> if you have iwconfig then you'll have all the basic wireless-tools at your disposal
[01:47] <ompaul> wotdu, that would be a chroot to take it to 32bit
[01:47] <ompaul> !chroot
[01:47] <ubotu> hmm... chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[01:48] <cherwin> tijn: what is the output of lsusb
[01:48] <tijn> cherwin: well, lsusb shows all the correct detail of the device
[01:48] <tijn> but no device name
[01:49] <tijn> cherwin: Bus 004 Device 020: ID 0df6:9712 Sitecom Europe B.V.
[01:49] <wotdu> ompaul, i'm having a huge trouble having to switch back and forth from linux to windows because i can't download anything there
[01:49] <cherwin> could you pastebin your lsmod please?
[01:49] <ompaul> wotdu, no ethernet you could use in the short term?
[01:49] <tijn> cherwin: ok mom
[01:49] <Appen> How do you install programs
[01:50] <gharz> guys, how can i make my icons on the desktop smaller than the default size? the default size is too big for me. i know i can do it manually, but is there another way so that everytime there's a new file the icon is smaller?
[01:50] <wotdu> ompaul, wish i could but i don't have any wires here, i'm using a router which is on another room
[01:50] <cherwin> tijn: and the string that pops up in your dmesg when you load the module sweetheart :^)
[01:50] <zcat[1] _> Appen: on the main menu, Add/remove programs.
[01:50] <kallei> anyone know where in xconfig i find EVMS ?
[01:50] <velusip> I have a problem with quota. I'm reasonably experienced using quota, but I'm new to ubuntu. Perhaps this is a known bug. Could anyone msg me willing to discuss this?
[01:51] <tijn> cherwin: pastebin.com gives me an sql error :S
[01:51] <Appen> Will Ubuntu work on an AMD Sempron Laptop?
[01:52] <karim> hi
[01:52] <cherwin> tijn: you can't be serious?
[01:52] <karim> is there a way to set default volumes for OSS sound devices ?
[01:52] <tijn> yes i am :)
[01:52] <zcat[1] _> work, yes. You may have problems with onboard wireless and stuff though...
[01:52] <ompaul> wotdu well wired means easier access to set it up, it is really a crime against the user that the wireless companies seem to think that they have some business advantage in dealing badly with their customers,  packages.ubuntu.com and a large usb stick might be useful
[01:52] <braed_> Appen: why wouldnt it?
[01:52] <Jaymac> xgl is being a bastard to me
[01:52] <tijn> ill try pastebin.de moment plz :D
[01:52] <PlHL> My USB sticks does not work (including usb mouse) when I plug them in. Does anybody know where I can read about that issue? (it's not easy to search the forum on "usb" ;) )
[01:52] <karim> Appen, why wouldn't it work ?
[01:52] <cherwin> tijn: yes you're serious.. too bad
[01:52] <tijn> cherwin: http://pastebin.de/7433
[01:52] <ompaul> Jaymac, take it easy with the language, we like a G rated channel ;-)
[01:52] <tijn> pastebin.de works (debian btw)
[01:53] <Jaymac> ehhehe
[01:53] <karim> is there a way to set default volumes for OSS sound devices ?
[01:53] <zcat[1] _> xgl isn't the easiest thing to get working...
[01:53] <Jaymac> it's being a great annoyance
[01:53] <Appen> when I tryed Simply Mipis Evrything was too fast
[01:53] <wotdu> ompaul, don't need usb stick :) i can just download it to a fat32 partition and mount it there : )
[01:53] <Jaymac> luckily i have an ubuntu testbox
[01:53] <Jaymac> so haven't broken anything on my main system :)
[01:53] <zcat[1] _> Jaymac: what chipset?
[01:54] <tijn> cherwin: you btw from holland? :)
[01:54] <Jaymac> nforce2
[01:54] <Jaymac> w/ a 9600XT
[01:54] <Jaymac> using fglrx
[01:55] <zcat[1] _> I've only limited experience.. one nvidia card. Not sure what differences there are getting it going on ATI
[01:55] <Appen> Would it de best to use a fat 32 partion for a duel boot?
[01:55] <Mikelo> anybody here make music with ubuntu?
[01:55] <cherwin> tijn: yes sir :)
[01:56] <tijn> me too :)
[01:56] <cherwin> tijn: try 'ifconfig ra0 up'
[01:56] <tijn> hehe shouldnt you be watching the soccer? :)
[01:56] <ompaul> Jaymac, read the messages from ubotu n me
[01:56] <tijn> cherwin: ra0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Onbekend apparaat
[01:57] <zcat[1] _> Appen: Set up a shared fat32 perhaps.. windows runs best on ntfs and Linux really needs ext3 or reister for it's rootfs...
[01:57] <cherwin> yeah in a minute ;)
[01:57] <Jaymac> ompaul, i've been using this channel for over a year, and have no idea who you are :)
[01:57] <karim> i have a problem with dapper, this happens on power pc and i386. when I dist-upgrade, packages are upgraded and installed WITHOUT ERRORS, but then they are still available for upgrades
[01:57] <Jaymac> since 4.10 actually
[01:57] <ompaul> Jaymac, enjoy that then ;-)
[01:57] <cherwin> tijn: youere dutch too i see ;)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Jaymac: he's a scary person.
[01:57] <tijn> hehe
[01:57] <cherwin> anyway try installing the driver with ndiswrapper
[01:57] <Jaymac> Hobbsee: hehe, I fear no man :)
[01:57] <ompaul> Hobbsee, your not supposed to tell anyone :P
[01:57] <cherwin> and then use ra0
[01:58] <tijn> mmhkay
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:58] <tijn> will try that
[01:58] <cherwin> tijn: ik moet zo nog een computer klusje doen bij iemand ;)
[01:58] <ompaul> !nl
[01:58] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[01:58] <tijn> hehe
[01:58] <tijn> cherwin: suc6 :) thnx for your help
[01:59] <CrazyDoode_> cherwin: what type of lappy?
[01:59] <regix> Hello? Can anyone point me to a list of proggies that comes with Ubuntu?
[01:59] <Appen> How do I get shop DVDs to work?
[01:59] <cherwin> tijn: you're welcome
[01:59] <pianoboy3333> Fujitsu
[01:59] <ompaul> regix, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <regix> Thanks!
[01:59] <cherwin> CrazyDoode_: asus a6va
[01:59] <thermal> Anyone getting "Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com....." etc.? Still cant' get apt-get install (or any front ends) to work. TIA.
[02:00] <CrazyDoode_> cherwin: on my dell1300 i got it to install the broadcom driver, but it just sits there and does nothing
[02:00] <ompaul> thermal, same box as you are irccing from?
[02:00] <burning_bronx> troy_s, so which udev you said I need  for my realtek?
[02:00] <thermal> ompaul, nope, I'm logged in to both.  X is a wonderful thing!
[02:01] <ompaul> thermal, so can it get to the interweb at all?
[02:01] <cherwin> CrazyDoode_: what kind of broadcom nic do you own?
[02:01] <zcat[1] _> !dvd
[02:01] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[02:01] <Hattori> !xgl
[02:01] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:01] <thermal> ompaul - Yes.  I can ping, http, just can't install the IRC client : (
[02:02] <snoops> man it's surprizing how nice transparency is
[02:02] <ompaul> CrazyDoode_,  http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/dapper-cafuego/bcm43xx/
[02:02] <CrazyDoode_> cherwin: hang on while i boot my lappy
[02:02] <zcat[1] _> snoops: really? I find if I make a window transparent I can't read wither layer at all :)
[02:02] <eamo> DVD works but with jumpy image - howto increase priority
[02:02] <zcat[1] _> *either
[02:02] <ompaul> !dma
[02:03] <thermal> eamo, might be a dumb answer, but have you tried nice? (look up man).
[02:03] <ompaul> eamo,  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA << the bot did not want to tell the channel - factoid too long - must edit it
[02:03] <eamo> thanks thermal
[02:03] <zcat[1] _> !+dma
[02:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[02:04] <ompaul> zcat[1] , if they get so long as to want a + we should really lop off a piece its a factoid and the info should be on the page ;-)
[02:04] <snoops> zcat[1]  yeah..  What type of installer sjould I choose?
[02:05] <snoops> I've got it so when a window changes, it wobbles
[02:05] <snoops> and that looks really apparent with some transparency
[02:05] <detectiveinspekt> totem is pretty useless, can't play mp3s can't play divx
[02:05] <snoops> it makes the whole application selector bar redundant
[02:05] <zcat[1] _> A little transparency is nice when you have a window underneath and you want to see if it's still running ... I've done updates behind xchat a few times..
[02:05] <ompaul> zcat[1] , our new version ;-)
[02:06] <regix> Transparency? Really?
[02:06] <ompaul> l8r ya all
[02:06] <Arafangion> How do I clear a rewritable CD?
[02:06] <zcat[1] _> btw; anyone know how I can set more transparency on the titlebars? I can't find it anywhere :(
[02:07] <regix> Anyone tell me what installer I should use? I want an webserver, with all of the games and proggies and such...
[02:07] <zdoor> Does anybody know how to get the control panel for ATI Radeon 9600 XT dual head video cards working? I have tried everything the Wiki and internet help have to offer.
[02:07] <regix> That'll come with the desktop installer
[02:07] <regix> Anyone?
[02:07] <CrazyDoode_> ompaul: thanks for that url, but it doesn't really say what it is, just "firmware"
[02:07] <Frogzoo> zdoor: fireglcontrol
[02:08] <cherwin> CrazyDood_: it seems that your laptop doesn't boot very fast :). i really have to go now, got some appointments
[02:08] <snoops> hmm it's not in gset-compiz zcat[1] ?
[02:08] <Frogzoo> zdoor: it's in pkg fglrx-control
[02:08] <CrazyDoode_> lol had to get coffee too!
[02:08] <zcat[1] _> regix: games and proggies and stuff would be a regular ubuntu install, webserver would be apache+php4+mysql
[02:09] <zcat[1] _> snoops: nope.. nor in gconf-editor anywhere..
[02:09] <Chief_Boogaloo> how do i change the resolution of the splash screen ?
[02:09] <wezzer> Hello, urgent help needed. My friend installed ubuntu to s-ata harddisk, is it /dev/hda something?
[02:09] <CrazyDoode_> cherwin: BCM4401
[02:09] <zcat[1] _> not that I can find anyhow..
[02:09] <regix> Thanks, zcat!
[02:09] <zcat[1] _> window-decoration is only the shadow, not the titlebar
[02:09] <casanova> guys, what is the name of wine in the repository?
[02:10] <Xappe> wezzer: probably /dev/sda
[02:10] <zcat[1] _> !wine
[02:10] <ubotu> Wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on linux.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wine for more info.
[02:10] <Frogzoo> casanova: would you believe..... wine ?
[02:10] <cherwin> CrazyDoode_: hey i know that one :) last time i compiled a kernel for a laptop with that driver the driver was experimental
[02:10] <Arafangion> Found a nasty bug in Ubuntu
[02:10] <Arafangion> Well, not that bad, actually.
[02:10] <wezzer> Xappe: thanks
[02:10] <casanova> only Wine-Doc
[02:10] <zcat[1] _> not sure wine is in the repo. You probably want the latest version anyway which isn't.
[02:11] <CrazyDoode_> cherwin: I had the same prob too, but the following week in February they upgraded Ndiswrapper to get the driver to load
[02:11] <Arafangion> But when one deletes files from a CD, for EVERY SINGLE DAMN FILE it prompts you a dialog saying that it cannot be deleted because it is on a read-only disk
[02:11] <karim> I have a problem, when I dist-upgrade packages they install fine without errors, but then when I run again dist-upgrade apt wants to installs them again
[02:11] <cherwin> CrazyDoode_: you have to enable prompt for  development and/or incomple code/drivers
[02:11] <cherwin> it does work though
[02:11] <Chief_Boogaloo> how can i change the resolution of the log-in splash screen ?
[02:11] <pema-lotus> is there anywhere i can download 5.10, I'm having a really hard time with xorg with my 1280x786 on 6.6 LTS, 5.10 worked np
[02:11] <regix> zcat, which installer do I exactly use? Theres 2: Desktop and Server
[02:11] <zcat[1] _> Arafangion: you tried right-click on the CD icon and see if erasing the disk is on the menu?
[02:12] <karim> Chief_Boogaloo, vga=792
[02:12] <cherwin> CrazyDoode_: just compile the driver and load the module (if you didn't built it in the kernel) and do an ifconfig -a
[02:12] <zcat[1] _> regix: desktop .. then apt-get install apache and anything else you want.
[02:12] <regix> Thanks, alot!
[02:12] <cherwin> CrazyDoode_: then you'll see which interface the card is and the do a ifconfig ethX up etc
[02:13] <cherwin> for more information read the manual page of ifconfig
[02:13] <cherwin> i have to go now
[02:13] <zcat[1] _> assuming I understood the question.. you want a desktop system (games and programs) plus a webserver?
[02:13] <Arafangion> zcat[1] , Yup, and it's not there.  I think I'm using the older version of Ubuntu, not Dapper.
[02:13] <cherwin> bye everyone!
[02:13] <Frogzoo> casanova: see here: http://winehq.org/site/download-deb - the repo you want, for latest, is" "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main"
[02:13] <CrazyDoode_> cherwin: yes, it's there on eth1 but when I bring it up it has errors
[02:14] <brokenthorn> Who uses the -beyond patchset?
[02:14] <zcat[1] _> I did try to write to one once though.. they seem to only write at 4x and take forever!!
[02:14] <Arafangion> zcat[1] , They cost only a few dollars each.
[02:15] <casanova> Frogzoo, i can't add repositories on Breezy
[02:15] <zcat[1] _> Yeah, I'm cheap :)
[02:16] <Frogzoo> casanova: yes you can
[02:16] <casanova> Frogzoo, it can't find the packages from thenew APT lines
[02:16] <pema-lotus> I'm going back to 5.10
[02:16] <Arafangion> zcat[1] , You just burn money on blank regular CD's? :)
[02:16] <casanova> --> installing from source
[02:16] <pema-lotus> xorg just crashes my install on detection
[02:17] <shriphani> can someone please tell me where to get the ubuntu bible ebook for free ?
[02:17] <zcat[1] _> I have a 1G card in my camera.. I use that to move large files around.
[02:17] <Frogzoo> casanova: click "custom" & add "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt breezy"     without quotes
[02:17] <Tobberoth> Is there anyway to change my screen resolution/hz in terminal?
[02:17] <Frogzoo> casanova: then hit reload - btw - what are you trying to run with  wine?
[02:18] <pianoboy3333> I really, really need hard drive help, I'm desperate, please please, can someone help me? I think I mortally screwed my ubuntu partition, I meant to install xubuntu on an external, but it seems to have installed over my main partition, Fujitsu was helping me before and we had started using autopsy to try, but he had to leave, so I need someone else to help finish! I really, really need extreme help
[02:18] <zcat[1] _> Please don't point out that a 1G flash card is about 100x more than a rewritable CD :)
[02:18] <Arafangion> zcat[1] , That works also.  I recently got a nice 512 usb drive, just cataloged a whole heap of CD's and I wanted to stick an index on the rewritable I found, is all :)
[02:18] <xice> Ubuntu bug #1, a good read
[02:18] <xice> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1
[02:18] <Arafangion> zcat[1] , Nah, you got your card "free" for your camera :)
[02:19] <shriphani> xice can you tell me where i can find ubuntu-linux bible ebook for free ?
[02:19] <casanova> Frogzoo; i did exactly so + checkd from my /etc/sources.list .. and the both ways failed. It complaines that it can't find the watever packages.gz
[02:19] <zcat[1] _> I need a 512M mp3 player.. one that records so I can record meetings and stuff too..
[02:19] <xice> do u mean ubuntuguide.org?
[02:19] <Frogzoo> zcat[1] _: a 1g flash card is about 60% more than a 600meg rw cd
[02:19] <casanova> Frogzoo; some Flash devloper apps that aren't ported on Linux
[02:19] <zdoor> Thanks Frogzoo, That worked just fine. I appreciate your help.
[02:19] <ploom> hi, has anyone else noticed that some web page scripts have stopped working with firefox just after switching from breezy to dapper on ubuntu amd64 version?
[02:19] <shriphani> erm ubuntu linux bible. not the guide
[02:20] <xice> nope no idea
[02:20] <shriphani> ok
[02:20] <shriphani> i mean it is a torrent and i am running breezy
[02:20] <Tobberoth> that ubuntu linux bible sounds interesting!
[02:20] <ploom> ..and at the same the sites keep working through firefox 1.5 on windows or even BSD?
[02:20] <eamo> ompaul, thermal DMA now set on and conf file updated - thanks
[02:21] <shriphani> it actually is interesting
[02:21] <shriphani> i want it bad and google returns no huge searches
[02:21] <DarkMageZ> ploom, i think i have seen your issue in 32bit versions as well, can u give me afew examples
[02:21] <Frogzoo> casanova: c 4 yourself, the pkgs are there definately: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/
[02:22] <Frogzoo> casanova: ru running 64bit?
[02:22] <ploom> the blue menu on http://www.ee.everyday.com/
[02:22] <casanova> Frogzoo, yea
[02:22] <Tobberoth> Anyone who knows how to change hz? My monitor doesn't like this at all!
[02:22] <ploom> DarkMageZ: please see the blue menu on http://www.ee.everyday.com/
[02:22] <casanova> i'm now trying to isntall from a .deb or from source
[02:22] <Frogzoo> casanova: there's your problem right there
[02:22] <Frogzoo> !tell Tobberoth about fixres
[02:23] <Frogzoo> casanova: pretty sure wine won't run as 64 bit regardless
[02:23] <Arafangion> zcat[1] , There should be a bug posted: "Bug: Ubuntu is not as good as Debian - posted by Debian User"
[02:24] <DarkMageZ> ploom, hmm, i can't seem to notice a problem
[02:24] <aimaz> i have a USB disk drive that i know works with ubuntu because it works on 2 of my friends' computers, I know my machine can handle USB mass storage because my camera works with it, but the disk drive doesn't work on my computer. it shows up in dmesg but the devices it mentions don't exist. Any ideas?
[02:24] <casanova> Frogzoo, i'm trying to build it from source now
[02:24] <ompaul> eamo, no worries, were you in the ICS yesterday?
[02:24] <mky375> Arafangion define good...
[02:24] <Frogzoo> casanova: b4 you go down that path - ask in #winehq - pretty sure your'e wasting your time
[02:25] <Arafangion> mky375, good is debian.
[02:25] <ploom> DarkMageZ: do the menu items that open when you mouseover change color and are they clickable to you?
[02:25] <eamo> ompaul what is ICS?
[02:25] <zcat[1] _> I'm getting frustrated, there are so many things that are just not quite right yet...
[02:25] <Arafangion> mky375, The fact that it's posted by "Debian user" is a very significant part of the bug.
[02:25] <Arafangion> mky375, Get it?
[02:25] <aimaz> Tobberoth, if you use gnome you can go to System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution and that should allow you to change it
[02:25] <ompaul> down beside the pepper cannister in mount st, irish computer society
[02:25] <mky375> =) lol just woke up a little while ago
[02:26] <zcat[1] _> acidrip is broken, it worked perfectly in breezy. kino is broken as installed, the fix is really quite trivial but not well documented..
[02:26] <Tobberoth> aimaz: That's the problem, that app won't let me change it, it's stuck on 75hz
[02:26] <Tobberoth> I want to put it to 60
[02:26] <ompaul> dapper launch dvd give away
[02:26] <frague> hi all
[02:26] <ompaul> eamo dapper launch dvd give away
[02:26] <aimaz> Tobberoth, ok, then you need to edit your xorg.conf to add the other frequencies
[02:26] <der0b> using dapper kubuntu..  I'm trying to config samba sharing via system settings/sharing.  I enter my su pass but all options under samba sharing are still greyed out.  anyont else see this?
[02:26] <DarkMageZ> ploom, hmm, they don't change color, but they drop down smoothly, and they are clickable
[02:26] <Dreamglider> why are no icons added to application's menu when i install programms with synaptic ?
[02:26] <ploom> DarkMageZ: in here they are not. I have tried unistalling firefox (with --purge) and reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and its still the same, the menu items get open but dont appear to get any mouse events (are not clickable)
[02:27] <eamo> ompaul I must contact ILUX guys
[02:27] <zcat[1] _> bugs for both broblems were files months ago, neither are even confirmed and neither will apparently ever be fixed in dapper now, because they're not security :(
[02:27] <ompaul> eamo, www.linux.ie
[02:27] <zcat[1] _> </rant>
[02:27] <eric___> I wondered if somebody would kindly point me toward a page with instructions for installing multiple operating systems/ Linux distributions on the same HD?
[02:27] <ompaul> eamo, can you join me in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:28] <eamo> ompaul new to IRC how to switch?
[02:28] <zcat[1] _> eric___: install Windows first, leave some blank space.. when you go to install ubuntu it will give you the option of only using free space AND set up grub to dual-boot.. too easy.
[02:28] <ompaul> eamo, what client are you using?
[02:28] <frague> I've problems with my ES1370 snd card : no sound an dapper !
[02:28] <eamo> X-Chat
[02:28] <ompaul> !dualboot
[02:28] <ubotu> for wintel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo :for the Mac https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[02:29] <eric___> zxat: So I won't hose my main partition that way?
[02:29] <ompaul> eamo, click on this >>>           #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:29] <eric___> What about if I want Windows/ubuntu/debian?
[02:29] <eric___> Thanks ubotu for the link.
[02:29] <ompaul> !bot
[02:29] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[02:29] <zcat[1] _> if you already have windows installed you have to resize it.. which I've never had much luck with
[02:29] <der0b> eric___: I forget which issue, but TUX magazine has a great tutorial
[02:30] <zcat[1] _> for other linuxes they usually detect each other nicely and set up multiple boot.
[02:30] <der0b> http://tuxmagazine.org/
[02:30] <eric___> derob: Always afraid of screwing up the computer - that's the main reason I have this ancient iMac to screw around with.
[02:30] <Frogzoo> eric___: if you're going to shrink your windows partition - absolutly defrag windows before starting the ubuntu install
[02:30] <eric___> Nothing important on it, so if I mess it up, no biggie.
[02:30] <eric___> Frogzoo: Makes sense.
[02:31] <zcat[1] _> you can run windows on an iMac ?
[02:31] <frague> Also, I can mention a strange pb with upgrading breezy to dapper : hd ids move !
[02:31] <eric___> zcat: No - not in a straightforward way.  I get confused because I also have a Sony Vaio on which I've run Ubuntu live.
[02:32] <zcat[1] _> 12:30am here.. I should get some sleep
[02:32] <frague> in breezy, my hds are viewed as hda, hdb and hdf, and under dapper as hde, hdf and hdb
[02:32] <Hexidigital_> eric___:: what do you mean in a straightfoward way? youve tried before? and if so, did it work?
[02:32] <frague> respectively
[02:32] <eric___> HExidigital: I guess I meant VirtualPC, which no sane person would run on an old iMac.
[02:32] <Frogzoo> eric___: I've had my vaio totally ubuntu for some time & am very happy with it
[02:32] <Hexidigital_> eric___:: i see... i see it as no sane person would run windows :-P
[02:32] <der0b> using dapper kubuntu..  I'm trying to config samba sharing via system settings/sharing.  I enter my su pass but all options under samba sharing are still greyed out.  anyont else see this?
[02:33] <eric___> Frogzoo: Trouble is I need the windows side to run Dragon for my job.
[02:33] <Frogzoo> eric___: kqemu/vmware
[02:33] <der0b> I still need windows for some things..  most of my machines have made the switch.. it does have it's uses
[02:33] <frague> ;)
[02:33] <Frogzoo> eric___: oh no, for dragon, best option's probly wine
[02:33] <xice> or cedega
[02:34] <frague> dragon ??
[02:34] <Frogzoo> or xover office..
[02:34] <nomin> does dapper need more time to develop ways to get the nvidia drivers working right?  nvidia works fine on breezy, but I was just looking up nvidia stuff on ubuntuforums and it looks like there are some issues with dapper and nvidia.  Should I just wait a bit before upgrading to dapper?
[02:34] <Arafangion> eric___, And if the wine based solutions fail, qemu + kqemu can be very good.
[02:34] <Frogzoo> frague: dragon naturally speaking - it's a voice dictation prog
[02:34] <Arafangion> eric___, I wouldn't use them for 3D apps, but for everything else, they're very good.
[02:35] <shriphani> !ubuntu bible ebook
[02:35] <ubotu> shriphani: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
 : thanks
[02:35] <shriphani> bah
[02:35] <thomas> hallo
[02:35] <Tobberoth> nano won't let me save my edited xorg.conf, says permission denied
[02:35] <Tobberoth> how do fix it?
[02:35] <shriphani> !ubuntu ebooks
[02:35] <ubotu> shriphani: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:35] <Hexidigital_> nomin:: i have an nvidia card on my desktop, and i have no issues w/ dapper... actually, better performance than breezy
[02:35] <rpedro> Tobberoth: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 : sudo nano ...
[02:35] <Frogzoo> Tobberoth: you should have run nano from sudo ie 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[02:35] <Tobberoth> I think I did use sudo
[02:36] <xice> guys: is there a command which can distinguish if a process if active or not though terminal?
[02:36] <thomas> was ist soll
[02:36] <Frogzoo> xice: ps ?
[02:36] <frague> not a command, btu the process explorer
[02:36] <Tobberoth> Never mind :)
[02:36] <Hexidigital_> thomas:: sprichten deutches?
[02:36] <Beta_M> where are colours for 'ls' defined?
[02:36] <thomas> was iost so
[02:37] <thomas> was ist so
[02:37] <shriphani> !version
[02:37] <ubotu> To find out what ubuntu version you have type ''lsb_release -a'' in a terminal.
[02:37] <frague> I've problems with my ES1370 snd card : no sound an dapper !
[02:37] <Hexidigital_> thomas:: kommt #ubuntu-de
[02:37] <rpedro> xice: do 'sudo apt-get install htop' , and type htop, it's a better version of top
[02:37] <thomas> mir ist fart
[02:38] <thomas> windows
[02:38] <burning_bronx> I've got my whole hardware up and running smooth like a !@#$ again - guess it just wasn't a good day for amd64
[02:38] <Hexidigital_> thomas:: do you need help with something?
[02:38] <xice> Frogzoo, yes, using ps, i want to form an if statement around the fact if 'xwinwrap' is active
[02:38] <Gabbo> hi, when i want to start tpb it always says something like: unable to open /dev/misc/nvram: no such file or directory. what can i do against this? (ubuntu dapper)
[02:39] <thomas> goolg
[02:39] <thomas> was ist soll
[02:39] <jameyg> How do I set filesystem quotas for a user? I have installed the quota package but I need an example or something.
[02:39] <thomas> jjn bhjbhbbjhhhjhhbHJJIN JINNJHNIONUNININIHNIHNNUN
[02:39] <Frogzoo> thomas: o.O
[02:39] <tijn> ?
[02:39] <mky375> Gabbo what happens if you run it a root?
[02:40] <xice> rpedro, can htop determine through a command if 'xwinwrap' is active?
[02:40] <thomas> TRKIYE
[02:40] <Gabbo> mky375 same
[02:40] <rpedro> xice, hmm dunno , it's a prog like top
[02:40] <mky375> what is the output of "ls -l /dev/misc/nvram"
[02:41] <thomas> WIEN IST SO SOLL
[02:41] <Gabbo> mky375 /dev/misc doesn't exist
[02:41] <Frogzoo> thomas: please go away
[02:41] <jameyg> thomas: in Englisch bitter
[02:41] <thomas> JA MISC
[02:41] <Gabbo> thomas kennst du #ubuntu-de? :>
[02:41] <steveire> I'm trying to figure out what firefox does when I click the open containing folder button in the downloads window. I thought running it in the terminal would show the command used (nautilus $1 or something), but it doesn't happen
[02:41] <thomas> JA
[02:41] <steveire> any ideas?
[02:42] <rpedro> xice, have you checked man ps to see if it has an option to show that info?
[02:42] <xice> ill check
[02:42] <mky375> Gabbo what kind of video card to you have?
[02:42] <Gabbo> mky375 a rage mobility m 4mb (thinkpad x21)
[02:43] <Frogzoo> steveire: about:config    maybe
[02:43] <thomas> SUDOKU
[02:43] <alex_joni> hello
[02:43] <alex_joni> anyone has experience with changing the usplash on dapper?
[02:44] <divbyzero> Hello, I have a question about a wireless PCMCIA interfacing with ndiswrapper and wpa-supplicant in Dapper Drake
[02:44] <thomas> WAS IST SOLL
[02:44] <divbyzero> can anyone hel me?
[02:44] <Hexidigital_> thomas:: kommt #ubuntu-de
[02:44] <mky375> Gabbo sound's like it trying to access the video memory at /dev/misc/nvram.. i'm lookin in there now and don't see it gimme a sec
[02:45] <Gabbo> :)
[02:45] <thomas> MERKUR
[02:46] <divbyzero> no one?
[02:46] <Frogzoo> !ndiswrapper
[02:46] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[02:46] <thomas> ONE IST NICHT
[02:46] <thomas> GUT
[02:47] <Kimppa> Hi. I just removed two dvd-images (each 4,8 GB) using the command "rm filename*". I did this and the files was removed so that I can't see them when giving the "ls"-command. However, no hard disk space was released, "df -h" says I have 300 MBs free space even thought I just removed the dvds. Any ideas what's causing this and more important, how to fix it
[02:47] <steveire> Frogzoo: No entry there, no. Any more?
[02:47] <thomas> CHELLO
[02:48] <thomas> JA
[02:48] <phreak97> im using azureas and i want to forward a port for it, but i need an application name
[02:48] <divbyzero> I have done all of these passages, but then the wpa-supplicant tries to connect but immediately disconnects because 'the attempts had timed out'
[02:48] <thomas> 4,8
[02:48] <phreak97> i dont know what to put for it
[02:48] <phreak97> theres a list of stuff and none are azureas-like
[02:48] <goibhniu> I just upgraded from breezy to dapper and tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers, but it's not working. Module nvidia not found. I've followed a few guides but nothing is working
[02:48] <casanova> ahh, it seems tha tthe 64 -bit edition ofUbuntu Linux is IMPAIRED when itcomes to media apps
[02:49] <rpedro> phreak97: are you using a gui to setup firewall rules ?
[02:49] <thomas> FRSEHEN JA SCH1!
[02:49] <casanova> "this [whatever piece of software]  is incompatible with your architecture (x86-64)
[02:49] <aalya> Hi, i have a windows partition, if i format & reinstall windows, dapper will configure grub auto or not ?
[02:49] <divbyzero> could anyone please suggest a PCMCIA or USB wireless antenna fully compatible with Linux?
[02:49] <thomas> linux ja
[02:49] <Hexidigital_> thomas:: stop it
[02:49] <thomas> was
[02:49] <casanova> Antennas are all compatible with linux lol
[02:50] <thomas> lol
[02:50] <Hexidigital_> any channel ops here?
[02:50] <casanova> but try D-Link DWL series PCMCIA's
[02:50] <goibhniu> modprobe nvidia should work, shouldn't it?
[02:50] <Di42lo> lo
[02:50] <phreak97> rpedro, i am
[02:50] <phreak97> on my router
[02:50] <Di42lo> i got problem with my ipod connected to my ubuntu ...i get Read-only file system error everytime
[02:50] <CraHan> casanova: I had some issues with my DWL-650+ though
[02:51] <thomas> ubunten
[02:51] <CraHan> rge DWL-650 is a perfect card
[02:51] <CraHan> the 650+ version has a completely new chipset and can be hard to get running correctly
[02:51] <Hexidigital_> thomas:: stop it right now or i will call a channel op
[02:51] <casanova> If not D-Link, just return it in the shop and change it in Bufffalo
[02:51] <thomas> ja
[02:51] <rpedro> aalya: after reinstalling windows, you need to run the ubuntu setup cd in recovery mode, run a shell/chroot on the root partition , an run grub-install /dev/hda or whatever partition you installed the mbr to
[02:51] <goibhniu> does anyone know if nvidia.ko is the file that should be loaded? Because there's only one in 2.6.12 not in 2.6.15 like I'd expect
[02:51] <thomas> windows
[02:52] <Hexidigital_> !ops
[02:52] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee or gnomefreak!
[02:52] <alex_joni> goibhniu: you need to rebuild it like you built it the first time
[02:52] <thomas> frage
[02:52] <aalya> rpedro: ok ty
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Hexidigital_: ?
[02:52] <phreak97> rpedro, is the application name important?
[02:52] <fiveiron> hmmmm
[02:52] <Hexidigital_> Hobbsee:: thomas refuses to stop randomly spamming
[02:52] <fiveiron> i'm having some issues mounting my ufs drive...
[02:52] <rpedro> phreak97: can't you just add a custom port to the firewall rules?
[02:52] <phreak97> rpedro, not without a name
[02:52] <divbyzero> in fact, I have a 650+
[02:52] <LoPMX> hu guys
[02:52] <Hexidigital_> ompaul:: thank you
[02:52] <LoPMX> did anyone install aixgl on ubuntu?
[02:52] <Hexidigital_> Hobbsee:: thank you also
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:52] <goibhniu> alex_joni: cheers, so I can't just use the debs?
[02:53] <casanova> Can i undergrade ym kernel back to 32-bit from this 64 -bit distro?
[02:53] <rpedro> phreak97: dont think so, just add a descriptive name, I believe it's just for reference
[02:53] <phreak97> ok, thanks
[02:53] <Hexidigital_> casanova:: i dont think you can
[02:53] <ompaul> Hexidigital_, after you type ops if you say the reason on a new line it makes it easier to see what is wrong ;-)
[02:53] <Seveas> casanova, you'll need to reinstall
[02:53] <alex_joni> goibhniu: think you need some modules that are not distributed by default
[02:53] <casanova> wh? i've done kernel "updates" onseveral other distros
[02:53] <goibhniu> alex_joni: excellent ... I'll try ... thanks!
[02:53] <Hexidigital_> ompaul:: thanks for the info :)
[02:53] <ompaul> Hexidigital_, so you can say !ops and then next line Issue spam JoeBloggs
[02:53] <ompaul> ;-)
[02:53] <alex_joni> goibhniu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267
[02:53] <Hexidigital_> cheers
[02:54] <Bassetts> how can i view files as root in terminal??
[02:54] <kallei> how do i modify wich places (mounted volumes etc) that are to be in the "Places"  and on my desktop?
[02:54] <Dreamglider> is there any software that will. show me all wireless networks that are in range ?
[02:54] <Tobberoth> Odd. I added VertRefresh and HorizSync to my xorg.conf, now my monitor works, even if I still can't lower the hz ^^
[02:54] <Seveas> casanova, 32 vs 64 bit is a completely different architecture...
[02:54] <casanova> I know, but it's jsut the kernel optimization that's it
[02:54] <Seveas> no
[02:54] <casanova> what else is differenT?
[02:54] <avis> i am inside a directory i that containes all my music.  how do i cp * including directories, forced copy if exist folder, replace if non-existant files ?
[02:54] <Seveas> casanova, all packages...
[02:55] <casanova> hmmh, compilation sucks
[02:55] <Seveas> you don't have to compile. just reinstall
[02:55] <alex_joni> avis: cp -rf *
[02:55] <alex_joni> avis: man cp
[02:55] <avis> thank you
[02:55] <casanova> reinstallation sux
[02:56] <avis> followed by desintation folder ?
[02:56] <Seveas> then just stay at 64 bits
[02:56] <casanova> it's hard wrk
[02:56] <Tobberoth> compilation both sucks and rocks at the same time :D
[02:56] <Seveas> and keep the language in here family friendly
[02:56] <Tobberoth> I compiled my first program yesterday (ie, my first real program, not one i coded myself) and it worked very well
[02:56] <casanova> if compiling form source, it rocks cos hten you'll get the right conf for your computer at once
[02:56] <Seveas> casanova, that's just gentoo ricerism
[02:57] <casanova> Nope. I'm doing source compilation for servers all the time - mostly with debian, but on desktop i decided to try this ubuntu
[02:57] <Seveas> sigh
[02:57] <Seveas> fine, have it your way
[02:57] <sdagrub> hi all.. having probs getting ubuntu to root from /dev/sda1 with mbr on /dev/hda (which is a 'dozeXP partition)
[02:57] <Hexidigital_> casanova:: are you installing ubuntu as a server?
[02:57] <casanova> just because it's fast to install, seveas - it's nice to spend a week configuring your box, but sometimes when you've got a deadline oyu want your box to stand up fast
[02:58] <goibhniu> alex_joni: can you tell me though ... should I be able to load the nvidia module just with modprobe nvidia? I'm concerned there's voodoo involved ;)
[02:58] <casanova> nope. i'm using ubuntu as a desktop, debian as server
[02:58] <Hexidigital_> casanova:: then use the default install, and configure what you need....  make it easier on yourself
[02:58] <alex_joni> goibhniu: can't enlighten you more, I'm running the default nv
[02:58] <alex_joni> no acceleration
[02:59] <alex_joni> anyone has experience with changing the usplash on dapper?
[02:59] <casanova> But my problem is that Wine / other 32 bit apps don't work wiht this fsck'n custom kernel that comes with the official Ubuntu 64 -bit release
[02:59] <Hexidigital_> alex_joni:: are you only configuring the splashscreen?
[02:59] <Tobberoth> From my experiences here, it seems I was kinda right when I said going 64-bit now was a bad move ;)
[02:59] <casanova> Why is it that on CentOS, on SuSE, on Redhat Enterprise, an on Gentoo, 32 -bit apps work thoroughly fine on a 64 -bit install buton Ubuntu they don't? Even debian...
[02:59] <alex_joni> Hexidigital_: tried to, but it stays black when I did that
[03:00] <alex_joni> Hexidigital_: I should probably mention I'm running my own set of kernels
[03:00] <Hexidigital_> alex_joni:: try using gnome-splashscreen-manager (sudo apt-get install....) i had success with it
[03:00] <alex_joni> Hexidigital_: ty, will try
[03:00] <Hexidigital_> alex_joni:: no probl
[03:01] <casanova> It's jsut that the Linux Kernel supports the both 64 -bit and the 32 -bit runtimes, but for some reason compiling the packages on only 64 -bit makes the distro incompatible with some essential software that ppl might need
[03:01] <Eric_10> Hi friends,
[03:01] <Hexidigital_> gotta run guys... long night :)  have a great day everyone
[03:01] <Eric_10> Somebody from Brazil?
[03:01] <Seveas> !br
[03:01] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[03:01] <kallei> Do i have to do something special to get my mp3s to play in amarok ? right now  amarok just goes over all songs in the playlist in a split second and no sound is coming
[03:01] <casanova> Eric_10 i wish i was in brazil right now =DD
[03:03] <Dreamglider> is there any software that will. show me all wireless networks that are in range ?
[03:03] <Eric_10> Great CasaNova... and the world cup? will Brazil  be the winner?
[03:03] <casanova> nope. Argentina.
[03:03] <casanova> ;-)
[03:03] <mky375> Gabbo try "sudo modprobe nvram" then run tpb
[03:03] <Eric_10> Argentina :P. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
[03:03] <casanova> i jsut said it to piss u off dude
[03:03] <casanova> ;-P
[03:03] <Eric_10> But, the game of Argentina yesterday was very beautiful
[03:04] <casanova> ye, i think we'll see them in semifinals at least
[03:04] <Hattori> when i boot it doesn't load gmd automatically, i have to login in dos-mode and run "startx".. what could be? how to get gdm start automatically?
[03:04] <Eric_10> I don't understand because Carlito Tevez not in titular team.
[03:04] <Gabbo> mky375 big thx! it works fine
[03:04] <Seveas> offtopic discussions elsewhere please
[03:04] <casanova> Maybe also Cameroon / African countries are really a surprise sometimes
[03:04] <RadiantFire> Hattori: try sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[03:05] <mky375> Gabbo np
[03:05] <Hattori> RadiantFire_ it says: ...already exists....
[03:05] <casanova> Eric_10, all argentina needs is Diego Maradna watching the game (and distributing yerbas in the locker room)
[03:05] <Hattori> RadiantFire: it says: ...already exists....
[03:06] <casanova> hmmh
[03:06] <Farchord> Hello guys, I have a question. I am thinkin of starting to learn linux (Yes, I am crossing the final frontier, Star trek style), but my video card seems to have support issues under Linux. Anyone know if the support got better for my ATi Radeon 9600 pro All in wonder in the last year?
[03:06] <Eric_10> Casanova. I will go watch the Netherlands game. Thanks for the conversation. ;) And good luck for the Argentina.
[03:06] <RadiantFire> Hattori: what happens when you run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[03:06] <Hattori> RadiantFire: wait, rebooting..
[03:06] <Seveas> Farchord, I'm using a 9600 mobility, works like a charm
[03:06] <Farchord> Yes, but what about the TV tuner part?
[03:07] <Seveas> Farchord, that I don't know, maybe someone else
[03:07] <Farchord> I know a friend that has the same card, and he had huge issues
[03:07] <casanova> back, let's talk about Linux
[03:07] <Farchord> I actually want to go into Linux, but I want my Tv card to work! lol
[03:07] <Hattori> RadiantFire: it happens nothing
[03:07] <RadiantFire> thast so wierd...
[03:08] <mitja> How do I order dpkg to install to specific destination?
[03:08] <RadiantFire> do ps -A | grep gdm
[03:08] <Seveas> mitja, you don't
[03:08] <Hattori> RadiantFire: it happens nothing
[03:08] <mihir> hi i am new at ubuntu and linux: how do i change icons?
[03:08] <Seveas> locations of files are mandated by the filesystem hierarchy standard
[03:08] <RadiantFire> so no gdm is started
[03:08] <Seveas> mihir, icons for what?
[03:09] <RadiantFire> Hattori: try running sudo /usr/bin/kdm
[03:09] <Hattori> RadiantFire: ya, why to start automatically at boot time? instead of the dos-like login ?
[03:09] <mihir> hi! i went to gnome themes .com and i downloaded a set of icons from there...
[03:09] <RadiantFire> sorry /usr/bin/gdm
[03:09] <Farchord> Well okay then anyone knows where the hardware support list is for Ubuntu? I can at least check if my TV tuner is gonna work there
[03:09] <Seveas> Farchord, wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:09] <Toma-> Farchord: what card is it?
[03:10] <Hattori> no file or dir
[03:10] <brokenthorn> Does the beyond patchset break the usplash???
[03:10] <Hattori> RadiantFire: no file or dir
[03:10] <Farchord> Toma-: ATi Radeon 9600 pro AiW
[03:10] <RadiantFire> well, Hattori I'm almost out of ideas
[03:10] <Bassetts> where can i get a new usplash? or how do i make one
[03:10] <mihir> seveas?
[03:10] <RadiantFire> Hattori: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:10] <Toma-> Farchord: wow... ati make tv tuners?! cool!
[03:10] <alex_joni> Bassetts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[03:10] <brokenthorn> Bassetts, do you run any patched kernel?
[03:10] <alex_joni> Bassetts: let me know if it works for you
[03:10] <Farchord> Toma- I HOPE you aren't serious.
[03:10] <Seveas> mihir, ah, system  preferences  themes
[03:11] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: I am running a patched kernel, and that usplash wiki didn't help
[03:11] <Bassetts> brokenthorn, i dont think so, i use the latest 686 with smp
[03:11] <Bassetts> thanks alex_joni
[03:11] <Toma-> Farchord: in the land of the kangaroo, we dont get much ATI and fancy tech
[03:11] <Farchord> lol
[03:11] <Farchord> it's just that
[03:11] <mihir> yes. thats where i can change the theme from. but i downloaded just icons!
[03:11] <Farchord> ATi makes em since the early 1995
[03:11] <Hattori> RadiantFire: it says that gdm is corrupted..
[03:11] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, may I ask what patchset?
[03:11] <RadiantFire> Hattori: well, that would explain it
[03:12] <tdn> How do I set the resolution to 1600x1200 in the console?
[03:12] <RadiantFire> Hattori: try using synaptic to reinstall gdm
[03:12] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: RTAI
[03:12] <RadiantFire> and seeing whath appens
[03:12] <Hattori> RadiantFire: any way to do that with apt-get?
[03:12] <Seveas> tdn, with a kernel parameter on boot like vga=791 (which is 1024x768, don't know the 1600x1200 one)
[03:12] <RadiantFire> Hattori, I suppose just apt-get remove; apt-get install
[03:12] <Bassetts> where can i actually get a usplash from though?
[03:12] <mihir> sdf
[03:12] <RadiantFire> Hattori: but I don't know how much of dependencies that wil remove
[03:12] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: building with make-kpkg, which had a small bug that rendered usplash unuseable
[03:12] <ic56> tdn: do you mean you want a text console with that resolution or do you mean how to set the GUI resolution from the command line?
[03:12] <RadiantFire> Hattori: be certain you write down dependencies that are uninstalled
[03:12] <Toma-> Seveas: vga=ask is handy
[03:12] <tdn> Seveas: well, it is 1600x1200 I am looking for.
[03:13] <chavo> do apt-get install --reinstall
[03:13] <Seveas> tdn, listen to Toma-'s advise
[03:13] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, hmm, you develop?
[03:13] <Hattori> thx
[03:13] <RadiantFire> oh, that would do it as well
[03:13] <gharz> guys, what's the use to check the dependent files for a certain application, ie. clamav?
[03:13] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: a bit
[03:13] <CrazyDoode_> hmmm...  ndiswrapper alias's to wlan0 in modprobe.d but for some reason 6.06 puts the wifi on eth1
[03:13] <gharz> guys, what's the  command line to to check the dependent files for a certain application, ie. clamav?
[03:13] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, why RTAI?
[03:13] <tdn> ic56: I want the console resolution to be 1600x1200. Not X.
[03:13] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: RT support
[03:13] <Seveas> CrazyDoode_, 6.06 has a native broadcom driver
[03:13] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: and RTLinux is simply lots worse
[03:13] <Seveas> no ndiswrapper
[03:14] <tdn> Seveas: ok.
[03:14] <gharz>  = what's the keyboard entry for this?
[03:14] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, why when there's also -ck -rt and -beyond?
[03:14] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: didn't try those out, but I need about 1-5 usec latency
[03:14] <alex_joni> think they aren't that advanced yet
[03:14] <will> what's the best way to create an iso from a cd to mount ?   (its for cedega)
[03:14] <Toma-> gharz: its a japanese character
[03:14] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, what are your usual needs?
[03:14] <mky375> tdn i think its an option you can pass to grub but I don't know how.....
[03:14] <ic56> tdn: you cannot do that directly from the kernel.  You need to install the SVGATextMode utility.  It has an X-like config file for setting fancy VGA text-only modes.
[03:14] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/
[03:14] <Bassetts> is there no where to download a new usplash?
[03:15] <slackern> will: are you using gnome?
[03:15] <CrazyDoode_> Seveas: ha..yes, i just found it, wpasupplicant.
[03:15] <Seveas> will: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/path/to/new.iso
[03:15] <tdn> ic56: can't I do it with framebuffer?
[03:15] <slackern> will: you should be able to just browse to the cd in places -> computer -> rightclick the cd and have some create image option if im not wrong.
[03:15] <bootlick> Morning all
[03:16] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, I see...
[03:16] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, have you any experince with -beyond?
[03:16] <gharz> guys, what's the application to view .CHM files for gnome?
 thanks man    .... and <slackern>   sweet   thats easy :))
[03:16] <foxbox> how do i add program to specified runlevel?
[03:16] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: nope, got a link for me to read on?
[03:16] <will> thanks
[03:16] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, I've tried -ck -> didn't want to boot
[03:16] <slackern> will: sorry if you choose copy cd, it will give you an option to copy it to either and image or another cdburner
[03:17] <slackern> will: but i guess you know where to look :)
[03:17] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: so far, I'm pretty happy with RTAI
[03:17] <mekanzoo> question: how do I share folder?
[03:17] <phreak97> is it likely that my routers gui is not compatable with a linux browser?
[03:17] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, http://iphitus.loudas.com/beyond.html
[03:17] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: and the dapper kernel I built works fairly well
[03:17] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
[03:17] <phreak97> cos if i add new port forwards, they dont add
[03:17] <ic56> tdn: I'm not familiar with framebuffer.  But if by that, you mean the vga modes available via the vga= kernel parameter, the answer is no because the VGA BIOS doesn't have pre-configured values for all possible permutations.
[03:17] <alex_joni> brokenthorn: care to join #emc-devel ? less crowded
[03:17] <ajax4> I just installed Dapper and my joystick doesn't work. Any tips?
[03:17] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, I've chosen -beyond now since it provide -ck and more
[03:17] <slackern> phreak97: some routers need to be restarted, have you tried that?
[03:18] <tdn> ic56: ok.
[03:18] <brokenthorn> alex_joni, right away
[03:18] <bootlick> Using asureus, on drapper, i get a warning saying that if i have a firewall please check to see if port 46761 UDP is open, this is a fresh install of drapper and I have installed no firewall, is there a firewall or such on by default?
[03:18] <will> good on you <slackern> :))
[03:18] <rens> dutch people here
[03:18] <ompaul> !nl
[03:18] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[03:19] <rens> zij er nederlaners hiero
[03:19] <Seveas> rens, #ubuntu-nl
[03:19] <rens> ja
[03:20] <rigonatti> hi there !!
 do you have a hardware router?  may need to tell it to free up port 46761 ... or whatever port you choose to use
[03:20] <rigonatti> does anyone know how to write NTFS files?
[03:20] <bootlick> Will - I am plugged right into the cable modem, no router
[03:20] <will> portforward.com
[03:20] <ic56> foxbox: update-rc.d
[03:20] <chicken-man> Hi can someone help me get my mouse working in Xorg/Gnome, I have a wireless USB mouse, It worked at first and now it won't work at all.
[03:20] <slackern> bootlick: Dapper does not have a firewall enabled by default.
[03:21] <will> bootlick,  portforward.com has everything you need
[03:21] <Seveas> rigonatti, boot into windows
[03:21] <bootlick> Will - Thanks will check that out
[03:21] <Toma-> Whats that app that lets you change cursor themes graphically?
[03:21] <slackern> bootlick: the command 'sudo iptables -L' in a shell will show you if you have some firewallrules enabled.
[03:21] <will> is the experimental "write to " any good ?ntfs
[03:21] <Seveas> Toma-, gcursor iirc
[03:21] <Toma-> thx
[03:22] <slackern> will: I have only used it to create new files on NTFS drivers, never to edit/change any files.
[03:22] <ajax4> Toma-, System -> Preferences -> Mouse
[03:23] <Seveas> will, only if your data is not important to you
[03:23] <slackern> will: It has worked for the small things i needed to transfer, but i would not recommend using it since it _can_ break.
[03:23] <xice> will, it seems to manage but i dont trust it
[03:23] <chicken-man> Can someone help me get my mouse working in Xorg/Gnome, I have a wireless USB mouse, It worked at first and now it won't work at all.
[03:23] <bootlick> Slackern - I ran sudo iptables -L and "Chain Input (policy Accept) target prot opt source destination displayed three times with Input replaced with Forward and output for the other two times. is this normal?
[03:24] <Seveas> bootlick, yes
[03:24] <LoPMX_> any aixgl packages available?
[03:24] <Seveas> LoPMX_, xserver-xorg-air oslt
[03:24] <bootlick> So, no firewall nor iptable chains installed.
[03:24] <will> many thanks .... i saw experimental ntfs on install, and clicked  noooooo   :)
[03:25] <bootlick> Whats blocking my port 46761..
[03:25] <LoPMX_> Seveas: oslt?
[03:25] <slackern> bootlick: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15522 this is how my output looks, thats without any rules.
[03:25] <xice> firestarter
[03:25] <Seveas> oslt == or something like that
[03:25] <LoPMX_> ah
[03:25] <LoPMX_> -core
[03:25] <chicken-man> Can someone help me get my mouse working in Xorg/Gnome, I have a wireless USB mouse, It worked at first and now it won't work at all.
[03:26] <CrazyDoode_> ahh here's my problem!  ndiswrapper version 1.8 loaded
[03:26] <CrazyDoode_> current is 1.17
[03:26] <bootlick> Slackern - Mine is exactly the same
[03:27] <void^> bootlick: make sure you use sun's jre with azureus
[03:27] <bootlick> Is there a command to open a specific port?
[03:27] <bootlick> suns jre?
[03:27] <Seveas> CrazyDoode_, if you want to use ndiswrapper on dapper, you have to blacklist bcm43xx
[03:28] <void^> ubotu: tell bootlick about java
[03:28] <CrazyDoode_> Seveas: sorry? what do you mean blacklist?
[03:28] <bootlick> I installed it with the synmapic, and it istalled the neccisarry packages
[03:28] <void^> bootlick: you need to run update-alternatives
[03:28] <chicken-man> Can someone help me get my mouse working in Xorg/Gnome, I have a wireless USB mouse, It worked at first and now it won't work at all.
[03:28] <bootlick> I try both of those tips
[03:28] <bootlick> thanks fellows
[03:29] <Seveas> CrazyDoode_, echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom_is_bad
[03:29] <slackern> bootlick: you had a router you said? which brand and modell?
[03:29] <bootlick> No router
[03:29] <bootlick> Straight into the cable modem
[03:29] <aLPHa_LeaK>  brb
[03:29] <Seveas> CrazyDoode_, and reboot after thayt
[03:29] <slackern> bootlick: oh adsl modem?
[03:29] <nomin> how do I disable the Grub bootloader?
[03:29] <bootlick> tetroin cable modem
[03:30] <void^> nomin: replace it with something else
[03:30] <slackern> bootlick: Just wondering since some adslmodems are routers also with firewalls
[03:30] <CrazyDoode_> Seveas: ok, but won't that prevent ndiswrapper from using the XP ndis bcm43xx driver?
[03:30] <chicken-man> Can someone help me get my mouse working in Xorg/Gnome, I have a wireless USB mouse, It worked at first and now it won't work at all.
[03:30] <Seveas> CrazyDoode_, no
[03:30] <CrazyDoode_> ok, then i'll give it a shot!
[03:31] <bootlick> This update-alternatvies, where do i find it?
[03:31] <slackern> bootlick: i think it's installed as default.
[03:32] <bootlick> hm,
[03:32] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i run a .jar?
[03:32] <bootlick> running azureus on windows, not a problem, and i had zonealarm running on that
[03:32] <MarcN> MetaMorfoziS: usually something like this from the command line:     java -jar somefile.jar
[03:32] <swb> anyone care to tell me why, openoffice.org is hanging when it tries to upgrade itself on apt on dapper
[03:32] <slackern> bootlick: 'which update-alternatives' will show you where the binary is located.
[03:32] <chicken-man> Can someone help me get my mouse working in Xorg/Gnome, I have a wireless USB mouse, It worked at first and now it won't work at all.
[03:33] <Bassetts> how do i make a usplash in gimp? i cant figure out the layer pallete
[03:33] <slackern> bootlick: oh, then it could be something with azuerus/java messing around with you probably.
[03:33] <Gabbo> since i updated to dapper, the shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+F1-6 don't work. anyone an idea what the problem could be?
[03:33] <swb> also why ATI DRI acceleration has broken iteself, actually I know that its because the kernel module is a diff version number to the xorg driver
[03:33] <bootlick> Slackern /usr/sbin/update-alternatives  I take it its installed allready then
[03:33] <bootlick> I will focus on the java
[03:34] <slackern> bootlick: aye there you got it, you need to use 'sudo update-alternatives' for it since it needs to be run using superuser priviligies
[03:34] <fearme> i downloaded a movie file but it wont play on km player, xine movie player or movie player.  any ideas how i could get it to work?
[03:35] <zdoor> Using GNUplot on a very large 80 Mbyte time based data file with 7 columns causes GNUplot to crash in Ubuntu. Same file OK on windows, although very slow. Does anyone use GNUplot?
[03:35] <slackern> bootlick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and read the section "Selecting the default Java version"
[03:36] <fearme> i downloaded a movie file but it wont play on km player, xine movie player or movie player.  any ideas how i could get it to work?
[03:36] <bootlick> Hmm
[03:36] <bootlick> Says page not found for the Java page
[03:36] <ronzo> fearme, what movie format?
[03:36] <fearme> ronzo, .bin
[03:37] <slackern> bootlick: hmm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java doesn't work?
[03:37] <bootlick> no, on both computers
[03:37] <ronzo> never messed w/ .bin movies, fearme =)
[03:37] <fearme> ronzo, i also tried some of my files that were .avi
[03:38] <slackern> bootlick: hmm must be something messy then, works fine here.
[03:38] <slackern> i can put it up on pastebin for reading for you.
[03:38] <fearme> ronzo, and the same thing happened
[03:38] <rigonatti> does anyone know how to write NTFS files?
[03:38] <bootlick> strange, windows computer and linux both not getting a page
[03:38] <void^> rigonatti: don't
[03:38] <bootlick> www.cnn.com works fine
[03:39] <slackern> bootlick: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15523 works?
[03:39] <rigonatti> void^: someone said that 3th applications can write in NTFS
[03:39] <slackern> bootlick: i copied the section for you and put it there.
[03:39] <fearme> ronzo, if u cant help do u no any one who could?
[03:39] <void^> rigonatti: yes, captive-ntfs. if you feel like toying with that, have fun
[03:39] <bootlick> yes, that pastebin works fine... i have problems....
[03:40] <ic56> void^: is captive-ntfs same as FUSE or is it a different beast?
[03:40] <rigonatti> i dont know ..... but FAT32 isnt the better way ...
[03:40] <rigonatti> I mean ..you lost a lot of clusters
[03:40] <void^> ic56: captive uses the windows driver to read/write ntfs.. don't know if it uses fuse.
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> Fuse is a different beast - i think. :P
[03:40] <ranpha> Does somebody have a working IBM thinkpad with ubuntu?? i can't seem to get the mouse working good
[03:40] <ic56> void^: thx!
[03:41] <ronzo> anyone else know bout .bin movie files in ubuntu? =)
[03:41] <fearme> rigonatti, i downloaded a movie file but it wont play on km player, xine movie player or movie player.  any ideas how i could get it to work?
[03:41] <void^> ronzo: mplayer can play a .bin without mounting it afaik
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> ronzo,  you mean cue/.bins ?
[03:41] <ronzo> fearme, you get that?
[03:41] <liionel> hello, does anyone know about zxdsl zte 852 ?
[03:41] <fearme> ronzo, ya but i dont have mplayer
[03:41] <xice> whats a superkey???
[03:41] <ronzo> apt-get mplayer. =P
[03:42] <fearme> lol
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> mplayer, or vlc.
[03:42] <slackern> xice: superkey = Windowskey/Applekey on macs
[03:42] <xice> ty
[03:42] <ronzo> mplayer > all
[03:42] <ronzo> imo
[03:42] <bootlick> well the java is updated, thanks for the pastebin slakern
[03:43] <slackern> bootlick: your welcome.
[03:43] <jc-denton> where is the script that changes the default sound device under dapper
[03:43] <bootlick> the rest of the upates, javadoc, javah and such say no alternatives
[03:43] <fearme> ronzo, i typed apt-get mplayer and it said 'E: Invalid operation mplayer'
[03:43] <slackern> bootlick: they are probably not installed then, not sure if you need them though.
[03:43] <void^> !multiverse
[03:43] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[03:43] <ronzo> fearme, its apt-get install mplayer
[03:43] <void^> ^^ fearme
[03:43] <fearme> lol
[03:44] <fearme> thanks
[03:44] <slackern> fearme: you need to use 'sudo apt-get install mplayer' also
[03:44] <ronzo> np
[03:44] <pirast> ivor, ping
[03:44] <aLPHa_LeaK>  re
[03:44] <pirast> whups
[03:44] <ronzo> i just su and do apt-get =P
[03:44] <slackern> fearme: you forgot the 'install' part :p
[03:44] <pirast> wrong channel, sorry
[03:44] <slackern> fearme: but i recommend doing an 'apt-cache search mplayer' first to find the correct version of mplayer for your processor.
[03:44] <shriphani> how do i read pdf in the console ?
[03:45] <fearme> slackern, do u need to be root to do this?
[03:45] <slackern> fearme: not for the apt-cache but for apt-get install you need to run it with sudo
[03:46] <slackern> fearme: apt-cache only lists avaliable packages and is available to all users.
[03:46] <shriphani> how do i read pdf files from console ?
[03:46] <jc-denton> what happens if i choose another sound device in the System->Preferences->Sound?
[03:46] <fearme> slackern, kk.
[03:46] <fearme> thanks
[03:46] <void^> shriphani: perhaps pdftohtml and a console browser (links, lynx)
[03:46] <shriphani> i mean i have the pdf in a dir
[03:46] <slackern> shriphani: Not sure you can, since it's a graphical format might need to convert it with something first.
[03:46] <shriphani> ahhh
[03:47] <shriphani> just when i was getting good with the debian bible and decided to go ansole
[03:47] <slackern> shriphani: hehe
[03:47] <[0x90] > hi people... can you help me configuring my dhcpd?
[03:47] <shriphani> console ^
[03:47] <slackern> [0x90] : dhcpd as in the daemon?
[03:47] <haitike> someone know how to SCIM runs as daemon when I start the seccion?
[03:47] <[0x90] > yeah
[03:48] <[0x90] > i need to make an dhcp server work
[03:48] <Lord_Pall> so I have an idea. i have a working ubuntu install on an ide drive. It is the secondary boot device in this machine. the primary is 2 sata drives running in raid 0. Is it possible to partition a small section off of the raid drives and install grub so that I can boot into windows and ubuntu?
[03:48] <slackern> [0x90] : perhaps, i have one running here myself, but i use mine for static dhcp.
[03:48] <[0x90] > how did you configured it?
[03:48] <will> what was the funky mount string for mounting an iso please guys / gals ?
[03:48] <Lord_Pall> I had the ide drive as the primary boot and grub worked, ubuntu worked, but grub couldnt find the windows drives.
[03:48] <[0x90] > i want to install linux on xbox from an remote image on my computer
[03:49] <slackern> [0x90] : Well it's a bit more complex answer to that question, i could give you the config file i use and you can work from it.
[03:49] <InterNut> im running xfce4 on my "server", when i try to add the applet "network monitor" and enters the device "eth0" i get an error "interface was not found" and thats the device im using, should it say something else there?
[03:49] <[0x90] > that would be great :D
[03:49] <[0x90] > can you send it to me plz?
[03:51] <[0x90] > slackern, can you send the config file, please?
[03:51] <reds> #tana
[03:51] <slackern> [0x90] : In a moment, i want to change some things since i prefer not to give out my macadresses and internal adresses to the public to view :)
[03:51] <[0x90] > ah ok :)
[03:51] <guiba> sorry, but i'm a new user, so i have many doubts, some is how install xmms, sorry if i disturbed... some one can help me?
[03:52] <danfg> why do firefox and thunderbird have ugly regular icons under ubuntu? how can i set them to use cooler ones?
[03:52] <FireCat> Does the alternate install cd contain the text based installer?
[03:53] <Howdy125> yes
[03:53] <u01p2101> danfg: every time if need
[03:53] <FireCat> tks
[03:53] <Howdy125> yw
[03:53] <apokryphos> FireCat: in the faq ;-)
[03:53] <slackern> [0x90] : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15526 you can have a look there.
[03:54] <u01p2101> danfg: copy icons in /usr/share/.... / .,, /
[03:54] <[0x90] > thanks man :)
[03:54] <bernard_tux> Hello everybody
[03:54] !lilo:*! per freenode channel move policy, various debian channels which have been moved to OFTC are being closed....thanks to everyone in the Debian project for using the network, and we wish you well in your future endeavors
[03:54] <slackern> [0x90] : hardware ethernet 00:00:00:00:00:00; needs to be changed to the correct mac for the machine getting the adresses, same with router and nameservers
[03:54] <danfg> u01p2101: the programs still use the ugly ones on their windows and taskbar
[03:54] <apokryphos> bernard_tux: hi
[03:55] <[0x90] > slackern, how do i get mine mac address?
[03:55] <[0x90] > i am using an crossover cable to connect to mine xbox
[03:55] <bernard_tux> does someone know the differences btw ubuntu iso of cdrom and dvd ?
[03:55] <AK8> hi people, I'm working to get xgl up and I just modified a /xsessions desktop config file, and now thunar (I'm using xubuntu) says it's "suspected malware."
[03:55] <slackern> [0x90] : well on what machine do you want you mac adress?
[03:55] <ronzo> bernard_tux, the DVD has more on it
[03:55] <slackern> [0x90] : phone
[03:55] <[0x90] > slackern, on mine
[03:56] <AK8> I think it needs to be executable, but chmod 755 doesn't seem to change the malware designation
[03:56] <[0x90] > ok
[03:56] <spine55> does anyone have display sleep working with xgl?
[03:56] <AK8> will it be able to run if I start that session?
[03:57] <u01p2101> rename firefox.png to enother, and save your icon as firefox.png
[03:58] <danfg> u01p2101: i'll try that, thanks :)
[03:58] <psypher246> hey everybody. i hope someone can help me with a software raid problem
[03:58] <ic56> Wow! the synergy package *rocks*!  I've got two computers with separate displays controlled by the keyboard/mouse of the first computer!
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> 'oh the humanity.. of an ugly icon!' :P
[03:58] <kieranDOA> lol.
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> ic56,  yep - it can be handy
[03:58] <Lord_Pall> psypher - Maybe. I've been fighting with software raid for 2days
[03:59] <Lord_Pall> no progress, but i can empathize
[03:59] <ic56> Dr_Willis: do you use it?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> ic56,  i had it on my laptop.. then when upstairs witht he laptop wonderd why the mouse kept moveing.. (wife was downstairs on the other pc)
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:59] <kieranDOA> Hehe
[03:59] <jc-denton> http://ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Devel:Setting_Default_Soundcard
[03:59] <jc-denton> i ask again
[03:59] <ic56> Dr_Willis: hilarious!
[03:59] <jc-denton> i also tought about asking on the mailing list but for such a simple question it's not needed
[03:59] <kieranDOA> i remember i had a tablet pluged in, And the mouse kept going back to where it is on the tablet i was like ARRRGH
[03:59] <jc-denton> what happens if i choose a different sound card here
[04:00] <jc-denton> is that related to esd or alsa
[04:00] <u01p2101> danfg: send me please your variant of firefox icon
[04:00] <InterNut> *nag* (; im running xfce4 on my "server", when i try to add the applet "network monitor" and enters the device "eth0" i get an error "interface was not found" and thats the device im using, should it say something else there?
[04:00] <Lord_Pall> okay i have to reboot and try something
[04:00] <Lord_Pall> back in bit
[04:01] <psypher246> cool. i have 2 pc's one with a 5 disk raid 5 array running centos 4 with a 386 kernel. is it possible to move that array over to a new bigger server running dual p3 and running the smp kernel on ubuntu dapper
[04:01] <psypher246> and ofcourse keeping all the data and the raid intact
[04:01] <psypher246> i have simulated the whole thing in vmware but cannot get ubuntu to detct the raid properly
[04:01] <rigonatti> hi pals !!
[04:01] <Gistybit> God i feel so stupid right now, but i just ran mkfs -t vfat on a harddrive containing all my data. How would one go about restoring this data, without restoring to another disk? (since i don't have any other disk which matches it in capacity)
[04:01] <rigonatti> is tehe captive the best options to write in NTFS files
[04:02] <danfg> u01p2101: http://soeren-weber.net/data/2005/09/06/firefox.png
[04:02] <rigonatti> is the captive the best options to write in NTFS files
[04:02] <orbin> rigonatti: it doesn't work w/ ubuntu apparently
[04:03] <ic56> Gistybit: you mean you overwrote your data and want to want to reconstruct it?
[04:03] <mathieu_> vmware + smbfs is a safe bet... but it takes alot of resources :)
[04:03] <slackern> [0x90] : sorry friend got harddrive crash so helping him on phone.
[04:03] <Gistybit> ic56: i dont think it's overwritten.. because mkfs probably just ran a "quickformat"
[04:04] <rigonatti> orbin: do you know some solution to ?
[04:04] <[0x90] > :O
[04:04] <AK8> I have another challange for you guys: I have NTFS, I reformat into ext3. Now, since they're really only writing a partition table... the data is still *theoretically* there, right? :)
[04:04] <danfg> u01p2101: http://soeren-weber.net/data/2005/09/06/thunderbird.png
[04:04] <pookey> hey all. what's happend to 'apt-setup' ?  how do I configured ubuntu to use online sources rather hten my CD media?
[04:04] <orbin> rigonatti: ext3 + fs-driver in windows, or fat32
[04:04] <[0x90] > slackern, how do i download the server?
[04:04] <[0x90] > i did apt-get install dhcp
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> pookey,  edit the sources.list and comment out the cdrom
[04:04] <orbin> ubotu: tell pookey about sources
[04:05] <rigonatti> I dont really want to use fat32
[04:05] <isildur> can anyone tell me the difference between fglrx-driver and xorg-driver-flgrx?
[04:05] <rigonatti> i mean ..its a waste of clusters and all .
[04:05] <[0x90] > slackern, can i pm you?
[04:05] <ic56> AK8: no. formatting has nothing to do with the partition table.  It has to do with creating the inode tables, free lists, root directory and so on.    Perhaps you are right.  However,  even if that is the case, you will still have a lot of work to refind your files, since at the very least the root directory is gone.  You'll need a filesystem editor that is aware of VFAT.
[04:07] <orbin> rigonatti: that doesn't provide write access
[04:07] <ompaul> Lord_Pall, less of the language please - it is a G rated channel, and please don't use enterh after one line with two words in it, put in all your thoughts on one line
[04:08] <orbin> rigonatti: and it's already installed...you can mount an ntfs partition no?
[04:08] <Lord_Pall> oops. Sorry about that. Excessive jubilance due to resolving a 2 day old issue
[04:08] <kieranDOA> G rated?
[04:09] <burepe2> I got crazy networking problems. Can someone hold my hand and walk me through it. Here are details, kinda http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194056
[04:09] <CrippsFX> yeah. rated G for Ghey
[04:09] <CrippsFX> :P
[04:09] <thoreauputic> avis: check out the menu editor - you can probably jsut check the box for it in that
[04:09] <orbin> kieranDOA: yep. so put that back in your pants please :P
[04:09] <kieranDOA> No no, What i s 'G' Rated?
[04:09] <Scorpmoon> I'm going to run dualboot Ubuntu/Vista.. Installing Vista first.. Is it ok for me, to setup my partition using Vista's partition app?
[04:09] <kieranDOA> Is that some kind of american rating system?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> avis: I think it would be under system tools though
[04:09] <psypher246> Gistybit: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Ext2fs-Undeletion-4.html
[04:09] <kieranDOA> Crazy americans.
[04:09] <apokryphos> Scorpmoon: yes; if not, shrink it later with Ubuntu
[04:10] <Gistybit> ic56: hm .. ok
[04:10] <Gistybit> psypher246: thx.. ill take a look at it
[04:10] <Scorpmoon> ok
[04:10] <Scorpmoon> should both the Vista and the Ubuntu partition be primary?
[04:11] <Ignite> does anyone know what happened to amarok-gstreamer?
[04:11] <CrippsFX> burepe2, for future refeence, including only the relevant info makes it a lot easier to look through.
[04:11] <ic56> Scorpmoon: Linux doesn't care whether its partitions are primary or not.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Ignite: replaced by amarok-xine
[04:11] <burepe2> oh the dmesg?
[04:11] <Scorpmoon> ic56, what would you choose
[04:11] <Ignite> Hobbsee, they can co-exist.. can't they?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Ignite: they should do...
[04:12] <ic56> Scorpmoon, I choose primary partitions for the root filesystem of each OS.  Just so I know where to look for it when things are broken.
[04:12] <sladen> psypher246 / Gistybit: you can't undelete on ext3
[04:12] <avis> thank you so much thoreauputic you always are so kind
[04:13] <avis> ls
[04:13] <thoreauputic> avis: no problem :)
[04:13] <avis> sorry
[04:13] <avis> thank you
[04:13] <Ignite> does anyone know how i can get mp3 support in xine?
[04:13] <Scorpmoon> ic56, I have one harddisk... 160gb, how many partitions do I make? 1 for Ubuntu, 1 for Vista, and 1 vFat for sharing files between them.. Don't I need a small partition for GRUB loader?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> !tell Ignite about mp3
[04:13] <apokryphos> Ignite: please read the FAQ first :)
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Ignite: install libxine-extracodecs
[04:13] <Ignite> thanks :D
[04:14] <neutrinomass> psypher246: (I wasn't in the room so I didn't see your question) What sort of data have you lost and how important is it ?
[04:14] <neutrinomass> Scorpmoon: It's not neccessary. It's a good idea to break the Linux installation in 3 parts, a / partition, a small swap and a /home .
[04:14] <Gistybit> sladen: Okay, but the data originally written on the drive, was written through ext2 and not ext3, even though the data is ext3.. ( i know this is against the purpose of journalling)
[04:14] <ic56> Scorpmoon: grub doesn't need its own partition.  However, the more important question, is how do you do backups.  Since in both Linux and Windows, 1 partition = 1 filesystem and since, typically one does backups on a per-filesystem basis, you need your partitions to be small enough that they will fit in your backup media.
[04:15] <Gistybit> sladen: i figure, since the drive has not been reformatted, i could restore the partition table, and just flip all the inodes back from its "deleted" state
[04:15] <Scorpmoon> newtrinomass... for now (being inside Vista's partitioner) it is sufficient to make one big partition for Ubuntu.. and let Ubuntu divide that partition in 3 itself, right?
[04:15] <Scorpmoon> if that's at all possible
[04:15] <Weirdbro> Firefox crashes when I close a tab with a Youtube movie. Why would that happen?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Scorpmoon: just leave free unformatted space for Ubuntu
[04:16] <Scorpmoon> ic56, I do backups per file/folder.. i never do a full copy
[04:16] <Scorpmoon> thoreaputic, ahh
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Scorpmoon: by default the installer just uses / and swap
[04:16] <akudewan> hi, I'm going to do a dist-upgrade, but it says that it is going to REMOVE some packages. These include openoffice and KDE, and I need them. Why is it going to remove these packages ?
[04:17] <ic56> Scorpmoon: the other consideration is the possibility of corruption.  The bigger teh filessytem, the more things you will lose if it becomes corrupt (eg due to a power failure of disk crash).
[04:17] <thoreauputic> akudewan: to replace them with newer versions :)
[04:17] <thoreauputic> akudewan: look at the list - you should see thatthey will be replaced
[04:17] <Scorpmoon> i'm not too worried of having to reinstall an OS.. it's mainly my data (media, projects, etc.) I need safe
[04:17] <apokryphos> akudewan: please make sure that you are following the upgrade instructions properly (FAQ).
[04:18] <apokryphos> akudewan: otherwise you can quite easily bork your system
[04:18] <joseduenas> hi everybody
[04:18] <apokryphos> hello
[04:18] <pradeep> ji joseduenas
[04:18] <pradeep> hi*
[04:18] <neutrinomass> Scorpmoon: That's why I suggested a seperate / and /home partition. You can swap distros without any hassle :)
[04:18] <Subhuman> Scorpmoon, in that case, make your /home a separate partiton, so the backup is jus a simple copy the partion, and reinstalling the OS wont affectr that partion.
[04:18] <akudewan> yes, I'm following the instructions from the wiki
[04:18] <akudewan> I can see openoffice being upgraded, but not KDE
[04:19] <apokryphos> akudewan: are you sure you followed them exactly, if you're doing a dist-upgrade?
[04:19] <apokryphos> akudewan: my bet is you didn't :). Are you making sure that you have the necessary metapackages installed FIRST?
[04:19] <joseduenas> anybody knows something about sop? ( TV P2P )
[04:19] <sladen> Gistybit: you maybe able to.  It will not be easy to.  There are utilities that I've used in the past to both (a) reconstruct the partition table and (b) undelete ext2 data
[04:19] <Scorpmoon> okay... except I thought I could just use a seperate partition for files, and not depend on using /home for my own files
[04:19] <sladen> Gistybit: I've also done evilness like just searching the raw contents of the disk
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Scorpmoon: /home/youruser is for your files
[04:20] <ic56> Scorpmoon: would those files be owned or used by anyone but yourself?  If not, then why would you put them anywhere besides your homedir?!
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Scorpmoon: you can make /home a separate partition (manually)
[04:21] <Scorpmoon> I want /home to be on another physical harddisk... but I don't have this disk ready yet.. can I install just / and swap, and then mount /home on a seperate partition later?
[04:21] <apokryphos> Scorpmoon: yup, exactly.
[04:21] <Gistybit> sladen: okay. can you give me the names of the utilities to do (a) and (b) (b) only if not covered in the guide you linked to)
[04:21] <apokryphos> Scorpmoon: very easy to do, too; just need to edit your fstab and copy the files over.
[04:21] <akudewan> apokryphos: yes, I have installed ubuntu-desktop, I have changed the repository as specified, I have checked the md5sum of the "alternate" iso that I downloaded, I have added the cdrom to the repository, I have mounted the iso, and now I'm doing a dist-upgrade.
[04:21] <psypher246> does anybody know lots about software raid? Lord_Pall, u still there?
[04:21] <joseduenas> i'm trying to watch tv p2p with sopgui.. with ubuntu dapper
[04:21] <apokryphos> akudewan: but have you got kubuntu-desktop installed, as well?
[04:21] <sladen> Gistybit: apt-cache search undelete
[04:22] <apokryphos> akudewan: if you have KDE installed, you need it.
[04:22] <akudewan> apokryphos: I see, I'll do that
[04:22] <Scorpmoon> thx
[04:22] <neutrinomass> sladen: A guy in here recovered his data with that evilness a couple of days ago :)
[04:22] <apokryphos> akudewan: you'll need to change your sources.list back to make sure it doesn't try to get the dapper kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <akudewan> allright, I have an old copy. thanks :)
[04:23] <sladen> Gistybit: try 'gpart' for guessing the partition table
[04:23] <sladen> neutrinomass: it's definately worth doing if that's the only way
[04:23] <rigonatti> hey ....if install Ubuntu (gnome) can I change to KDE without any troubles latter ?
[04:23] <sladen> Gistybit: and maybe 'testdisk'
[04:24] <apokryphos> rigonatti: yup, see FAQ
[04:24] <neutrinomass> sladen: AFAIK it's the best shot you've got with ext3 ... ext2 could do undelete I think, but not ext3 :(
[04:24] <sladen> Gistybit: (  apt-get cache search partition | grep -i partition)
[04:24] <sladen> neutrinomass: correct;  ext3 journaling works by zero'ing the data that ext2 undelete looks for
[04:24] <Gistybit> sladen: okay.. thx a bunch :)
[04:25] <TigerWolf> In Alternative CD - what is the difference between txt mode and OEM mode?
[04:25] <thoreauputic> sladen: did you mean apt-cache search ?
[04:25] <kallei_> i get this error trying to start skype on x86_64 :  ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:25] <thoreauputic> sladen: the other one will just spit out an error :)
[04:26] <kallei_> where is it looking for the libGL.so.1 ?
[04:26] <kandinski> oh hi sladen
[04:26] <sladen> TigerWolf: OEM mode for installing 100's of identical machines.  It's a two stage install where you do the install, customise it, make lots of copies of the hard-disk image;    On first boot, the user will then be asked for their account name, machine name---eg. all the 'individual' data
[04:26] <sladen> kandinski: hi there
[04:27] <sladen> kandinski: aahhh, it's a Javier!
[04:28] <Mr> Hey :)
[04:28] <Lord_Pall> oh wait
[04:28] <Lord_Pall> it's cuz i'm doing it wrong. Scratch that
[04:28] <Sharcho> What's the easiest way to create a chrooted (OpenSSH) SFTP user?
[04:29] <sladen> Sharcho: set their shell to 'rssh'
[04:29] <_Mr_Denix_> great I managed to change it after all ! :P hello guys. glad to be in the same spot
[04:29] <TigerWolf> sladen: I have only used the live CD GUI install - is text mode easy to do? Is there a guide?
[04:29] <sladen> Sharcho: or to 'scponly'
[04:29] <Subhuman> TigerWolf, the text install is very easy
[04:29] <Subhuman> as easy as the gui isntall
[04:29] <TigerWolf> ty
[04:30] <theiosKostas> hi guys! how can i write to my fat32 usb mobile disk? when it is mounted it is read only...
[04:30] <jUggERNAUt1980> AAA!!
[04:30] <nicolas__> did anyone experienced unplayablity with zsnes  under dapper ?
[04:30] <ronzo> chmod
[04:30] <Subhuman> theiosKostas, yes you should be able to no problem
[04:30] <jUggERNAUt1980> my wireless is all screwy and i don't know what to do!!
[04:30] <Sharcho> sladen, thanks
[04:30] <ronzo> jUggERNAUt1980, how is it screwy?
[04:30] <sladen> jUggERNAUt1980: move closer to the access-point
[04:31] <Ignite> theiosKostas, sometimes there are small switches on usb drives that allow you to make it read only
[04:31] <jUggERNAUt1980> it won't remain consistent.
[04:31] <marta> ciao
[04:32] <jUggERNAUt1980> i was just in a place with a wireless network and i could see the signal at 100%, but then my linux dropped the connection and wouldn't find any other networks.
[04:32] <TigerWolf> Is there an image burning program already installed on dapper? If not what is a good one to use/get
[04:32] <jUggERNAUt1980> including the one i was already connected to.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> TigerWolf: gnomebaker?
[04:32] <renssie> #ubuntu-nl
[04:32] <Almindor> is it possible to upgrade from hoary to dapper?
[04:32] <Almindor> directly I mean
[04:33] <LjL> i wouldn't try it
[04:33] <Ignite> TigerWolf, try K3B, its designed for KDE but its very good, also i've heard good things about GNOME Baker i think its called
[04:33] <Subhuman> Almindor, yes probably.
[04:33] <Almindor> Ignite, gnome-baker is nice
[04:33] <TigerWolf> thanks guys
[04:33] <Almindor> oook
[04:33] <Subhuman> Almindor, if you do a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:33] <TigerWolf> installing gnome baker now
[04:33] <Ignite> i think i will do that same
[04:33] <Ignite> :D
[04:33] <jUggERNAUt1980> so then i came over to the bastard's house so i could plug in to his network, and he also has wireless.  i should be able to see that network, but it didn't register anything.
[04:34] <kapputu> If there is a page with a search box on it, Firefox automatically transfer focus to it when the page is loaded. If you try to use the down arrow key to scroll down the page, you can't since the text box has the focus. This is very annoying
[04:34] <neutrinomass> sladen: Do you happen to have a minute or so? I'm the reporter of bug 36353 so if any further information is needed, please say so :)
[04:34] <ronzo> jUggERNAUt1980, do you have kismet installed?
[04:34] <Subhuman> kapputu, i dont experience that behavior, but how is this a ubuntu issue? it is a firefox one and there is no point complaining here :D
[04:34] <jUggERNAUt1980> no, what's kismet?
[04:34] <sladen> bug #36353
[04:34] <ronzo> jUggERNAUt1980, you can also do it from the terminal
[04:35] <kapputu> Subhuman, because this doesn't happen in Windows?
[04:35] <jUggERNAUt1980> i would like to do it from the terminal.
[04:35] <ronzo> do you know the ESSID?
[04:35] <jUggERNAUt1980> yup!
[04:35] <ic56> !tell Almindor about upgrade
[04:35] <ronzo> ok, run this
[04:35] <ronzo> sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[04:35] <_Mr_Denix_>  /join #ubuntu.ro
[04:35] <MatthiasM> how can I chnage the screen resolution higher then 1024x768 ? I'm running Ubuntu 6.06 inside VMware
[04:35] <TigerWolf> Subhuman: /join #firefox
[04:35] <kapputu> Subhuman, if you can't help I'd advise you to keep your mouth shut
[04:35] <ronzo> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid <name>
[04:35] <Subhuman> kapputu, well that doesnt automatically mean linux, this is a firefox issue, maybe asking in '#firefox will help
[04:35] <thoreauputic> !tell MatthiasM about fixres
[04:35] <ronzo> sudo iwconfig eth1 key <key>
[04:35] <ic56> Almindor: you cannot upgrade from hoary directly to breezy.  Must do it as two steps.
[04:35] <TigerWolf> u mean the other guy...
[04:36] <thoreauputic> ic56: umm - you mean hoary -> dapper
[04:36] <Subhuman> TigerWolf, i dont need the help, kapputu does, but if hes going to get snappy he wont be getting any more help from me
[04:36] <TigerWolf> kapputu: : /join #firefox
[04:36] <thoreauputic> ic56: hoary -> breezy is one step
[04:36] <TigerWolf> yea - i read it wrong Subhuman - its good now
[04:36] <ic56> thorauputic, Almindor. Yes, sorry.
[04:37] <Almindor> hoary -> dapper was my question
[04:37] <Almindor> ok I'll tell him to go one by one
[04:37] <jUggERNAUt1980> thanks for that!  what's kismet now?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Almindor: two steps - yes one at a time
[04:37] <Almindor> that's about a gb d/l eh? :)
[04:37] <LjL> it's already complicated enough to upgrade from breezy to dapper...
[04:37] <jUggERNAUt1980> if i type those commands you gave me right now, it'll take me offline for a few.
[04:37] <_Mr_Denix_> hello. isn't this the proper way to join a channel ?   " /join #ubuntu.ro  "
[04:38] <LjL> yes
[04:38] <LjL> without the leading space
[04:38] <_Mr_Denix_> and whyd oes it end like this ?  No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>
[04:38] <TigerWolf> yes
[04:38] <thoreauputic> LjL: gksudo "update-manager -d" is complicated ?
[04:38] <Subhuman> _Mr_Denix_, that is correct, but its more likely to be #ubuntu-ro
[04:38] <ronzo> kk
[04:38] <nicolas__> anyone has a clue to debug an snes emulator, zsnes and snes9x are running incredibly slow and without sound, the rest of the system is ok
[04:38] <LjL> thoreauputic: no, if it works
[04:38] <_Mr_Denix_> ok thanks Subhuman. on the site its ubuntu.ro
[04:39] <Tobberoth> When i double click the executable for blueJ, it asks if I want to display (which shows me the "source") or start in terminal.
[04:39] <gavagai> on the ubuntu wiki it says to start a full blown root shell use "sudo -i".  what's the difference between that and "sudo bash"?
[04:39] <Tobberoth> Start in terminal starts the program and all great, but leaves a terminal in the background..
[04:39] <Tobberoth> Anyway to execute it without the terminal?
[04:39] <Subhuman> gavagai, none really.
[04:39] <LjL> thoreauputic: besides the fact that i'm using kubuntu, so update-manager is not there, but that's not even the point
[04:39] <Subhuman> Tobberoth, add "&" at the end
[04:39] <Tobberoth> ah, thank you
[04:39] <nicolas__> Tobberoth: alt-f2 in the default gnome open a run command window
[04:40] <Subhuman> so like "sudo updatedb &" will update the search index in the background"
[04:40] <nicolas__> Subhuman: even if you add & and close the terminal the process will shutdown
[04:40] <jUggERNAUt1980> the big part of it is that sometimes it won't acknowledge that there are networks in range and iwlist eth1 scan turns up no results, when i know that i'm in a hotspot.
[04:40] <CrazyDoode_> silly question (1st of the day) - when i down load linux-source-2.6.15 using synaptic, why does it just leave the tarball in /usr/src and doesn't untar it? (lots of disk space)
[04:40] <nicolas__> Tobberoth: & will only enable you to continue using this same terminal
[04:40] <gavagai> Subhuman, thanks
[04:40] <_Mr_Denix_> ok ... still not working (i have to appologyze for my questions. it's my first time on linux and on ubuntu ) now it says "  Not connected. Try /server <host> [<port>]  "
[04:40] <Tobberoth> Oh..
[04:40] <Tobberoth> that's not what i want hehe
[04:40] <nicolas__> Tobberoth: use the run command window dialog in gnome
[04:40] <Tobberoth> allright, I'll try
[04:41] <nicolas__> Tobberoth: or add your command in your gnome menus
[04:41] <selinium> anyone in here use typo3?
[04:41] <Subhuman> nicolas__, are you sure? i always use & to fork to the background
[04:41] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:41] <nicolas__> Subhuman: try closing the terminal
[04:42] <Tobberoth> thanks nicolas__, that worked great :)
[04:42] <selinium> thoreauputic: i know, i know..... :)
[04:42] <jUggERNAUt1980> the iwconfig commands did not turn up anything, and that's screwed because i'm sitting right next to his wireless router.  can't get much closer unless i want to set my laptop on it.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> selinium: I know you know... ;-)
[04:42] <thoreauputic> selinium: hence larting ;)
[04:42] <renssie> zijn er ook nederlanders hiero
[04:42] <thoreauputic> heheh
[04:42] <nicolas__> Subhuman: you can use ctrl-z to put processes in background then close the terminal, then open a new one then type "fg" to get bac your app
[04:42] <selinium> s/konw/know
[04:42] <adamant1988> does anyone here like playing RPGs?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> !nl
[04:43] <renssie> i do
[04:43] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[04:43] <Subhuman> adamant1988, yes why?
[04:43] <renssie> ja tuulk nl
[04:43] <adamant1988> Because I'm looking for a good free MMORPG to play on my Ubuntu systems
[04:43] <nicolas__> Subhuman: can you confirm ? im at my job right now without any decent os
[04:43] <Subhuman> oh i dont play mmo's.
[04:43] <adamant1988> Well MMOs pass more time
[04:43] <TigerWolf> adamant1988: - yes - #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:43] <Subhuman> nicolas__, ill try one now
[04:43] <nicolas__> adamant1988: apt-cache search mmorpg
[04:43] <renssie> ik kan niet in de ubuntu nl server
[04:43] <selinium> adamant1988: www.eternal-lands.com
[04:43] <adamant1988> but regular RPGs are fine as well.
[04:43] <MatthiasM> What is the default root password - I only entered a password for my user at instalation time
[04:43] <thoreauputic> !root
[04:43] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[04:44] <LjL> renssie: "/join #ubuntu-nl" should work
[04:44] <LjL> renssie: works for me, in any case
[04:44] <jUggERNAUt1980> renssie:  ik voon in america
[04:44] <Ignite> MatthiasM, there is none, you can set one with "sudo passwd root"
[04:44] <thoreauputic> !tell MatthiasM about sudo
[04:44] <jUggERNAUt1980> :P
[04:44] <nicolas__> MatthiasM: you got to set one, sudo passwd
[04:44] <jUggERNAUt1980> can anybody tell me what kismet is:
[04:44] <jUggERNAUt1980> ?
[04:44] <MatthiasM> thanks
[04:44] <thoreauputic> nico8481: no you don't need to
[04:44] <Subhuman> yes nicolas__ if i use & it gets forked to the background, i shut the terminal, open it, and do a "ps -e" and it is listed
[04:44] <thoreauputic> bah nicolas__
[04:45] <selinium> thoreauputic: ever since upgrading to dapper, update-manager no longer shows the changes. Is it just me?
[04:45] <_Mr_Denix_> could someone help me with a tar.gz file please ?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> wrong tabbing
[04:45] <nicolas__> Subhuman: what did you run ?
[04:45] <adamant1988> Sorry Tiger
[04:45] <Subhuman> mbmon
[04:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - seems to work here
[04:45] <adamant1988> ok next question, could anyone here tell me what would cause my 3d acceleration to fail when I restart the xserver?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: but i'm in fluxbox as usual so I can't really check
[04:45] <LjL> Ignite, nicolas__: why do you suggest that he set a root password, rather than pointing him to the document that explains why none is set by default?
[04:45] <nicolas__> Subhuman: what if you open a terminal and type in gnome-terminal &, then close that window and see if the other one is still open
[04:45] <renssie> met welk programa kun je downloaden
[04:45] <Ignite> jUggERNAUt1980, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kismet_(program)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: besides, I usually run apt-get update myself :)
[04:46] <nicolas__> LjL: because i disagree
[04:46] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: What sort of help ? You can untar it with "tar xzf blah.tar.gz" (or with file-roller, from gnome )
[04:46] <Ignite> LjL, why is there none set by default?
[04:46] <LjL> MatthiasM: please do read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo, and think twice - and ask any questions you still have here - before you decide to set a root password
[04:46] <Subhuman> yep nicolas__ , the other one remains open....
[04:46] <renssie> whit whits program kan yoou downloadn music
[04:46] <jUggERNAUt1980> thanks ignite!
[04:46] <LjL> Ignite: see the document above
[04:46] <Ignite> jUggERNAUt1980, any time
[04:46] <Ignite> LjL, ok thanks
[04:47] <thoreauputic> nicolas__: that isn't relevant really - he should read the document and make up his own mind
[04:47] <LjL> nicolas__: i disagree with many things, and yet i still mention their existence when they're relevant
[04:47] <selinium> thoreauputic: so do i, but sometimes I like to see why they are being updated...
[04:47] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass i have extracted the file and now I am on terminal in the extracted directory . i have no ideea what to do next. my knowledge in unbuntu and linux in general is only 2 hours old
[04:47] <thoreauputic> selinium: apt-listchanges
[04:47] <Subhuman> nicolas__, it jus gives me itz process number like "[1]  17734" and opens the new terminal ,shut the original window and the new one remains.
[04:47] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: Why are you compiling a kernel again ?
[04:47] <Novato> kk
[04:47] <sp3tt> Someone needs to stap the motherfucking idiot responsible for ruby on ubuntu in the face
[04:47] <renssie> met welk programma kun je downloadne
[04:47] <nicolas__> Subhuman: hrm.. well i dont know what to say :P i believe you but ill have to try it again at home :P
[04:47] <sp3tt> I volunteer.
[04:47] <LjL> sp3tt: sorry?
[04:48] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass i have no ideea what you're talking about !
[04:48] <selinium> thoreauputic: cheers, I should have asked that question first! :)
[04:48] <Subhuman> lol okay nicolas__ , & is the way i have always done it XD
[04:48] <thoreauputic> selinium: :)
[04:48] <sp3tt> Oh, just the fact that it's totally fucking impossible to get rails working on ubuntu.
[04:48] <sp3tt> Nothing big.
[04:48] <thoreauputic> !language
[04:48] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[04:48] <sp3tt> I'm not exactly happy after two hours of fruitless debugging.
[04:49] <nicolas__> what is rails ?
[04:49] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: Lol, sorry, I got confused with somebody else commenting on how the kernel is not unpacked. Well, what are you trying to do (i.e. why did you extract the file) ?
[04:49] <thoreauputic> sp3tt: no more,  unless you like being gagged
[04:49] <prxq> I'd say if it is impossible to get rails to work on ubuntu, it is more rails & ruby's fault, but YMMV
[04:49] <LjL> renssie: download what? if you want a general downloader, try "wget" from the console or perhaps freeloader or aria if you want a gui
[04:49] <MatthiasM> thoreauputic: thanks - display resolution is now ok
[04:50] <thoreauputic> MatthiasM: cool :)
[04:50] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass thanks for your patience to this simple matters of mine. i read in the instructions written file that i have to extract the archieve in order to install it (i'm trying to install xmms)
[04:50] <Bassetts> i tried to change the usplash, but now i havent got one
[04:51] <nanenj> I accidentally deleted my top panel in gnome, is there a way to restore default configuration?
[04:51] <nicolas__> Bassetts: there is something called, splashscreen-manager or something
[04:51] <nicolas__> nanenj: you can also right click and add a new panel
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Bassetts: sudo update-alternatives usplash-artwork.so && sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) if I recall correctly
[04:51] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: N/p, I'm here to help, if I can. You generally want to avoid installing software "from source" as much as possible. If you want to install a package, always check first the Ubuntu archives. For example, you can install XMMS from "Synaptic".
[04:52] <gavagai> _Mr_Denix_, you downloaded and extracted a file in order to install xmms?
[04:52] <nicolas__> nanenj: resetting the config is done by rm -rf ~/.gnome*
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Bassetts: oops that needs a --config
[04:52] <gavagai> _Mr_Denix_, that is a method of last resort only
[04:52] <Bassetts> i did the howto on the forum
[04:52] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass : yes  ! i have down xmms.tar.gz
[04:52] <nanenj> nicolas__: thanks :) if that's what it takes to get the default back then I'm ok with that :)
[04:52] <nanenj> -tries-
[04:52] <_Mr_Denix_> i c
[04:52] <Bassetts> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82835
[04:53] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: You donwloaded it from the xmms.org site I guess? Take a look in synaptic.
[04:53] <gavagai> _Mr_Denix_, that is the source code.  you want to install an ubuntu binary.  you can install xmms from a terminal with 'apt-get install xmms'  or use synaptic.
[04:53] <LjL> nicolas__: perhaps that's not necessarily what he wants, since he was probably only asking about how to restore the *panel*
[04:53] <gavagai> _Mr_Denix_, sorry, 'sudo apt-get install xmms'
[04:53] <_Mr_Denix_> ok trying now
[04:53] <LjL> "rm -rf ~/.gnome*" is probably not something that should be adviced lightly
[04:53] <oezguer> hi everybodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[04:54] <_Mr_Denix_> it prompted me for my root pass and further more did nothing
[04:54] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: You need to have a good reason to install from source usually. Stuff varies from distribution to distribution and source code is just too "generic". Ubuntu developers build the package for you so that you can install it easily and avoid troubles during upgrades ;)
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Bassetts: ah, that's different - don't know
[04:54] <oezguer> i installed totem tv but how can i watch tv like at  winamp?  need some streamer or anythign to watch tv at totem???
[04:54] <CrippsFX> is it safe to hotswap SCSI drives?
[04:54] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass i thing i got your point about the packages in general. still doesn't work for me
[04:54] <Almindor> anyone here got totem working with .mov?
[04:54] <nanenj> LjL, should I say oops?  There's really no settings I had -anywhere- that were that big. :)  If all else fails, I can delete nanenj and recreate my account :P  so... didn't seem that big :P
[04:54] <tomas_> hi guys I have a serious problem here. I need to convert my mysql dump to ISO-8159 and its currently in UTF-8
[04:54] <nanenj> but, unfortunately, it didn't work
[04:55] <void^> CrippsFX: read the controller's manual
[04:55] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass could we private please ?
[04:55] <gavagai> _Mr_Denix_, enter your own password
[04:55] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: Sure, no problem .
[04:55] <tomas_> I get some serious problems with swedish characterts atm
[04:55] <nanenj> the panel is still blank (first try I attempted copying the gconf etc from another user.)
[04:55] <Tobberoth> would the debian gnu-linux bible do just as good as ubuntu linux bible?
[04:55] <oezguer> i installed totem tv but how can i watch tv like at  winamp?  need some streamer or anythign to watch tv at totem???
[04:55] <nanenj> and the panel showed up blank.  Can't seem to get it to change :(  does it require a full reboot and not just a restart of gnome to get it to read that?
[04:56] <LjL> nanenj: if that's ok for you, then fine. it's just that you might not even had known what that command would have done, and you might have fallen under the impression that it simpyl reset the panel's configuration -- while, clearly, it can do a bit more than just that
[04:56] <CrippsFX> hehehe ... nope.
[04:56] <nanenj> LjL, :) -nods- I see :) I did figure it would ice all customizations, it just seems it hasn't even done that. :P so I'm left a little lost :P
[04:56] <LjL> nanenj: doesn't surprise me that removing the gnome config dirs would blank the panel...
[04:57] <neutrinomass> _Mr_Denix_: Did you receive my PM? I'm having trouble with private talks lately ...
[04:57] <LjL> nanenj: perhaps you *could* indeed recreate the user at this point, if you don't have any specific things you need to keep
[04:57] <MatthiasM> is there a Java 1.5 version (from Sun) available for Ubuntu ?
[04:57] <LjL> !javadebs
[04:57] <ubotu> In Breezy: j2re1.4 is in multiverse. In Dapper: sun-java5-jre is in multiverse
[04:57] <nanenj> It didn't blank them, just the top one (which I accidentally deleted) shows up now, but is blank
[04:57] <Tobberoth> MatthiasM: Yes.
[04:57] <gavagai> _Mr_Denix_, you need to try again.  you didn't make it clear what happened.  use your password.  if it doesn't work you have to say more---say the error message.
[04:57] <nanenj> the bottom one is indeed still default.
[04:57] <nanenj> So -ponder-
[04:58] <nanenj> I'd imagine the settings have to be -somewhere- I just don't know how to get them back... is there maybe a script that initializes new users?
[04:58] <weedar> Does Ubuntu have the same installer-issue with manual partitioning as Kubuntu has?
[04:58] <nanenj> Maybe I could run that on my existing account to get it to reset the account back to normal?
[04:58] <LjL> nanenj: when a new user is created, the home dir is taken from /etc/skel. not sure if there's anything else being created after that
[04:58] <prxq> weedar: what issues are these?
[04:59] <nanenj> LjL, thanks, I'll look there :)
[04:59] <_Mr_Denix_> gavagai i did use my pass and exactly NOTHING happend . it just resumed to the state it was before (it was showing the present location I was in i.e. desktop/xmms ...... )
[04:59] <LjL> nanenj: but /etc/skel doesn't really seem to contain anything gnome-related, just basic config files for the shell
[04:59] <sp3tt> I GIVE UP.
[04:59] <sp3tt> Someone explain to me how a fresh install of rails, by the books, cannot work.
[04:59] <_Mr_Denix_> neutrinomass haven't got any pms from you