 I will return .
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> we will!
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-pushes-new-features-into-the-snappy-integration-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-504014.shtml
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> iulian: morning
[06:26] <ducasse> morning! *groan*
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse :p
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> have a warm ubuntu-coffee
[06:27] <ducasse> barely awake :)
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> !zfs
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: perhaps you should find the kirkland guy to edit :p
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> edited in 2016 so thats promising
[06:30] <ducasse> there are things that could be clearer still on the wiki :)
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> i agree
[06:31] <ducasse> although i'm *really* happy zfs is now supported!
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kirkland
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> thats the guy that blogs on insights
[06:37] <ducasse> yes, i've read many of them. smart guy :)
[06:39] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: the ars technica article on xenial was good, 'the best ubuntu release to date'!
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah, i really like it aswell
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> finaly some good review
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> that also looks under the hood
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> many users only search for the GUI changes
[06:40] <ducasse> yes, there are big things in xenial - zfs, snap, lots of new software, lxd...
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> im sticking to xenial for few years
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> until 18.04 to bug out again
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> dax: tgm4883 found the ppa format wrong on !ppapurge, ppa:owner/repo can you change?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[07:05] <TJ-> morning
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-13/apple-invests-1-billion-in-uber-s-china-competitor-didi
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> holy cow
[07:46] <TJ-> when you've got over US$200 billion offshore burning a hole in your pocket, buying a few trinkets is a good idea
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> morning de-facto
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast time
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> re
[10:11] <de-facto> Good morning :)
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> hey de-facto good noon :p
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: wich timezone your on?
[10:18] <de-facto> gmt+2
[10:18] <de-facto> same as you i guess
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> 12h18 brussels timezone here
[10:18] <de-facto> yup
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> : )
[10:19] <de-facto> im in the south of germany, near frankfurt :)
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> cool
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> german is a cool country
[10:23] <de-facto> yeah i like it here, but actually most of europe is pretty nice imho, it just has to find its common vision again ;)
[10:25] <de-facto> id like to know how many of the ppl in #ubuntu originate from european countries, it seems there is quite a cyclic change in activity as well as competence which could indicate many come from EU
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> usa pretty active aswell
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> i love the worldwide activeness of #ubuntu
[10:27] <de-facto> yeah its pretty neat :)
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> http://hackerboards.com/35-dollar-open-source-rk3288-hacker-sbc-hits-indiegogo/
[11:00] <EriC^^> as well as competence
[11:00] <EriC^^> lol, calling americans dumb? :p
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: :p
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[12:13] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[12:13] <pauljw> everyone
[12:21]  * lotuspsychje is listening @ http://mixing.dj/2015/livesets/adam-beyer-drumcode-274-live-awakenings-amsterdam-30-10-2015/
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> wb
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> afternoon DArqueBishop
[13:32] <DArqueBishop> Morning/afternoon/evening, lotuspsychje. :)
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> snap find is growing by the day
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> oh cool! telegram...im gonna try that
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ sudo snap install telegram-sergiusens
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> sweet!
[14:41] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:45] <Armadillos> Morning!
[14:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Armadillos
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[16:32] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: got kodi to work?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/apt-1-3-now-in-development-promises-support-for-multiple-fingerprints-bugfixes-504034.shtml
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[17:00] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[17:15] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  yes but it crashes after about 30 mins and freezes the desktop on 16.10...haven't used it on 16.04 lately
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:15] <BluesKaj> was called to the phone
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> no sweat :p
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> soupertime guys
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> lots of users with network issues
[18:03] <OerHeks> noticed yes.
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager trusty
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> didnt notice myself on xenial
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> wb pauljw
[18:06] <pauljw> ty :)
[18:06] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:07] <OerHeks> some users want a fresh chromium-browser too ..
[18:07] <pauljw> hi OerHeks
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: howso fresh?
[18:08] <OerHeks> The stable channel has been updated to 50.0.2661.102 for Windows, Mac, and Linux.
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> ah
[18:11] <pauljw> it would be refreshing it folks would spend some time understanding the philosophy behind stable repos rather than this constant frenzy to have the newest release of everything.
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> !latest
[18:12] <pauljw> ;)
[18:12] <OerHeks> sure, but not for ssh and a browser
[18:12] <OerHeks> but, that is my opinion
[18:13] <OerHeks> i know what you want to say ;-)
[18:13] <pauljw> my firefox is constantly updated
[18:14] <pauljw> the openssh update of a few days ago might be the culprit in my known_host file issue.  so newest isn't always best.
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> Instellen van network-manager-gnome (1.2.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> seems like nm also updated on xenial here
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> quick reboot to check
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> working
[18:18] <OerHeks> on a laptop?
[18:18] <OerHeks> i see a relation to laptops and wifi issues
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> yep netbook
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: perhaps on specific kernels?
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> alot of kernel exploits recently on usn also
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> tv night cheers to all
[19:33] <dbz2k> hello
[21:05] <Bashing-om> WE being pounded from the 14.04 updates breaking network-manager ?
[21:09] <OerHeks> something like that yeah
[21:09] <daftykins> what's happened o0
[21:12] <OerHeks> hmmm
[21:12] <OerHeks> systemctl enable NetworkManager.service
[21:13] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1434986
[21:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Update in 14.04 breaking metwork-manager ... loosing network connectivity . Seems so far the easier resolution is RE-installing network-manager . A trick with no connectivity . One possibility is from "recovery mode" .
[21:14] <daftykins> yee-ouch!
[21:16] <Bashing-om> Uh Huh .. started seeing this last night here on the channel .
[21:18] <daftykins> exciting new things! hmm looks like i might even have a candidate just now in -uk
[21:19] <Bashing-om> daftykins: http://askubuntu.com/questions/771627/14-04-network-manager-stopped-working/771841#771841 ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1539634
[21:27] <daftykins> ty sir
[21:28] <Bashing-om>  currently " This bug was fixed in the package network-manager - <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7.3 " and that package is now in the repo : " sysop@1404mini:~$ apt list
[21:28] <Bashing-om>                     network-manager >> network-manager/trusty-updates <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7.3 amd64 " .
[21:45] <Bashing-om> daftykins: confirmation that : http://askubuntu.com/questions/771627/14-04-network-manager-stopped-working/771841#771841 is indeed effective .
[22:01] <daftykins> neat :D
[22:39] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnl3/+bug/1511735
[22:39] <OerHeks> so, are all those affected, on proposed??
[22:40] <OerHeks> just asking, i cannot get that clear
[22:42] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I think that 'proposed" is open to debate . sevral bugs being opened : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1539634 .
[22:44] <Bashing-om> IRT ^^ " Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote 41 minutes ago: : .. >> status:New → Confirmed .
[23:13] <dax> one wonders how that made it past QA
[23:15] <Bashing-om> dax: Did haste make waste ? in the original fix, now more problems from the fix ? Maybe now also effecting WIFI connections (??) .


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[00:15] <BUGabundo> fta: heads up: latest daily of gwibber is dead. kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/386650/
[00:17] <ddecator> huh, it's working for me
[00:18] <BUGabundo> ddecator: upgrade :D
[00:19] <ddecator> BUGabundo, i just did a dist-upgrade and it didn't show up, but i just might not be able to access it yet
[00:19] <BUGabundo> lucid?
[00:19] <BUGabundo> don't do dist upgrades
[00:19] <BUGabundo> those are evil
[00:20] <BUGabundo> instead do $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:20] <ddecator> karmic
[00:20] <crimsun> kenvandine: I proposed a fairly trivial merge for lp:gwibber, but I don't think you're subscribed (sorry): https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/gwibber/fix_comment_hig_compliance/+merge/20189
[08:41] <BUGabundo_remote> bom d|a
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: kenvandine: latest gwibber trunk http://paste.ubuntu.com/386841/
[11:07] <Trouble> I've just updated to firefox_3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu5~mfs~karmic1, re-started Firefox and suddenly I'm feeling a performance increase and seeing Firefox (and Xorg) using less CPU! :-D
[11:09] <Trouble> My laptop is now a lot perkier :-p
[11:13] <asac> cool ;)
[11:14] <asac> and yes ...fffox 3.6 is better ;)
[11:15] <Trouble> I should have said I updated from firefox 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu4~mfs~karmic1 ;-)
[11:17] <Trouble> My laptop has been practically flying since updating!
[12:20] <Milos_SD> Hi
[12:21] <Milos_SD> I was here a month ago with a problem with dom.ipc.plugins.enabled=true
[12:21] <Milos_SD> with that option set on true, Firefox 3.7 would freez on every page that has flash
[12:21] <Milos_SD> what will that be resolved?
[12:58] <sindhudweep> asac: you there?
[14:53] <gnomefreak> it looks like tb3 PPA is back
[14:54] <gnomefreak> has anyone looked at seamonkey2  yet?
[15:29] <Trouble> Where's the TB3 PPA gnomefreak?
[15:29] <gnomefreak> Trouble: its the daily PPA but tb3 is in Lucid already
[15:30] <gnomefreak> Trouble: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu lucid main  << sources entry
[15:31] <gnomefreak> or karmicjaunty ect...
[15:31] <gnomefreak> s/karmicjaunty/karmic jaunty
[15:32] <gnomefreak> Trouble: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa for an overview
[15:32] <gnomefreak> micahg: hi
[15:32] <micahg> hi gnomefreak
[15:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: i hought we were no longer using tb3 daily PPA
[15:34] <Trouble> gnomefreak: I thought you meant a "stable" PPA (like for Firefox), but I see the dailies for TB 3.0.3 have stopped now we're up to 3.1, so that gives me an opportunity to update my TB to a stable version on Karmic, so thanks anyway :)
[15:34] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's there
[15:34] <micahg> brb
[15:34] <gnomefreak> Trouble: we are not using 3.1 for a while
[15:35] <gnomefreak> sorry we are not using ff-3.1 any longer now the package will be just "firefox"
[15:36] <gnomefreak> same with thunderbird IIRC
[15:36]  * gnomefreak not sure if the trasnition has been pushed to <lucid
[15:36] <Trouble> I'm using 3.6 from the firefox-stable PPA :-p
[15:37] <gnomefreak> Trouble: for karmic?
[15:37] <Trouble> yea
[15:37] <gnomefreak> Trouble: once its updated it will no longer carry a version #
[15:37] <Trouble> That sounds good to me
[15:37] <gnomefreak> that is why the firefox-stable PPA
[15:38] <micahg> Trouble: dailies haven't stopped...amd64 is broke...I'll fix tonight
[15:39] <micahg> tb3.1 is broke as well
[15:39] <gnomefreak> micahg: transitioning firefox to <lucid?
[15:40] <micahg> gnomefreak: later
[15:40] <Trouble> Hehe it's all good. I'm not interested in 3.1 yet, and my amd64 machine is currently down leaving me with this i386 laptop :-p
[15:40] <micahg> mozilla might actually release a 3.0.19...
[15:41] <Trouble> Initially I was just referring to the fact that there is a firefox-stable PPA for 3.6, but not a thunderbird-stable PPA for stable releases of 3.0.x. I thought gnomefreak was saying there was a thunderbird-stable PPA ;-)
[15:41] <gnomefreak> Trouble: nope sorry
[15:42] <Trouble> Never had any real problems using the 3.0.x nightlies tho :)
[15:42] <micahg> Trouble: 3.0.x wasn't so stable yet :) 3.0.3 is though...I also have to check the backlog of bugs to make sure we don't have any issues yet
[15:43] <Trouble> I'm gunna update from 3.0.2pre (20100131) to the 3.0.3 in the PPA
[15:53] <micahg> hmm
[15:53] <micahg> when did the daily switch..I must have missed that
[15:54] <micahg> fta: you switched the thunderbird daily to the unversioned package?
[16:01] <micahg> asac: around?
[16:14] <gnomefreak> i havent seen him yet
[16:43] <gnomefreak> micahg: have you heard anything on SM2/sunbird-lightning 1 ?
[16:44] <fta> micahg, asac: if you want a stable ppa for moz stuff, drobotik can maintain it automatically. you can add something similar to what i've done for the chromium channels, i.e. I pass CHANNEL={beta,dev,stable} to get-orig-source via the pocket conf file
[16:45] <fta> (i lack both time and motivation to do it myself) :P
[16:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: heard?
[16:46] <micahg> fta: that's ok, although I might use the bot to update a stable ppa
[16:46] <gnomefreak> micahg: are either ready for Lucid
[16:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: no
[16:47] <micahg> fta: so is tb3.head abandoned now?
[16:47] <fta> micahg, 3.0, yes
[16:48] <micahg> fta: k, I'll update the branches so tb.head is lp:thunderbird/3.0
[16:48] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: you made chromium too good
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> it won't die
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> not even with pkill chromium-b
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> not even with pkill *-9* chromium-b
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> I got a window stuck, and can't get rid of it :\
[16:59] <fta> lol
[16:59] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, what is the pid state? Z? D?
[17:01] <fta> micahg, the desktop file of 3.6 in the ppa still mention beta
[17:01] <fta> +s
[17:01] <micahg> fta: k, I'll update
[17:02] <micahg> fta, you think changing it to Firefox 3.6 is sufficient?
[17:03] <fta> micahg, iirc, asac wants the ppa to remain namoroka, not firefox (i don't really like it but i won't fight for it)
[17:03] <micahg> fta: just the comment where it said beta, not the title
[17:04] <fta> yep
[17:05] <micahg> hmm, maybe it should say Firefox Daily Buily?
[17:05] <fta> micahg, change it to "Firefox pre-release" or something
[17:05] <fta> as the release notes point to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/prerelease.html
[17:05] <fta> i meant, the comment, not the title
[17:05] <micahg> right
[17:07]  * gnomefreak gone for a while
[17:07] <fta> wooww.. 3.6 is really slow for <canvas>
[17:07] <micahg> fta: fixed
[17:07] <fta> or js in general
[17:16] <micahg> fta: was the original fennec code all in mobile-browser?
[17:20] <fta> i don't remember
[17:21] <fta> hm.. i no longer have the branch locally :p
[17:21] <micahg> fta: k, I'll try it like it is first
[17:23] <mahfouz> I filed a bug today about 3.7 concerning crashes: is it normal that 3.7 freezes
[17:23] <mahfouz> or is it just me?
[17:23] <mahfouz> I'm not sure what the problem is, could be flash
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> mahfouz: prob process separation stuff
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> if you turn that off, it will work maravelous
[17:30] <mahfouz> how can i turn it off?
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm stump we can't get mozilla to branch alpha2
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> so I can't use my addons :(
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> mahfouz: http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2010-01-27/multi-process-plugins-on-by-default/
[17:31] <BUGabundo_remote> [reed]: http://www.oxymoronical.com/web/firefox/nightly#comment-41247  ?
[17:31] <BUGabundo_remote> what is there missing ?
[17:32] <mahfouz> i thought the point of separation is that firefox does not crash :)
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahah
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> irony isn't it mahfouz
[17:37] <mahfouz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535612
[17:37] <mahfouz> this is reportedly fixed
[17:38] <mahfouz> but I still have a flash issue
[17:41] <mahfouz> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2010-01-27/multi-process-plugins-on-by-default/#comment-430177
[17:41] <mahfouz> I guess this is my issue, comment 430177
[19:02] <micahg> mahfouz: anyhone answer your question?
[19:18] <mahfouz> micahg, well I guess it's an issue with the new dom.ipc
[19:18] <mahfouz> maybe I shld file on mozilla but I don't have an account there yet
[19:18] <mahfouz> micahg, can you run 3.7 with dom.ipc.plugins.enabled?
[19:23] <micahg> mahfouz: don't have time to test now....if this the flash issue with clicks?
[19:23] <micahg> *is
[19:23] <mahfouz> well, it just freezes during loading the page
[19:23] <mahfouz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530604
[19:24] <mahfouz> ** (firefox-3.7:14282): WARNING **: Serious fd usage error 14
[19:24] <micahg> ah, yeah, that was already filed I thought
[19:24] <micahg> mahfouz: does it work with the upstream build?
[19:25] <mahfouz> hmm, have to download
[19:26] <mahfouz> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
[19:26] <mahfouz> I try this one
[19:26] <micahg> k
[19:37] <mahfouz> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /home/bkoenig/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/home/bkoenig/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64]
[19:38] <mahfouz> I don't have flash in upstream build, so I get no freezes
[19:39] <gnomefreak> every time i read all my lucid changes list email i get mostly kde libs :( when i go through fast (normal) i never see any  :(
[19:40] <mahfouz> gnomefreak, then don't read at all
[19:40] <micahg> mahfouz: try this one: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a3pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
[19:40]  * gnomefreak still not sure why they dont upload as 1
[19:41] <gnomefreak> micahg: 3.7 is still extreamly slow here with/without flash
[19:41] <gnomefreak> but its been like that a while
[19:41] <mahfouz> was it the bits, I have 64bit atm, but x86_64 didn't run
[19:41] <micahg> gnomefreak: I have a feeling that we're not installing something
[19:42] <mahfouz> ok, this download runs for me
[19:42] <gnomefreak> micahg: what could we be missing? wouldnt it FTBFS if we were not installing something?
[19:43] <micahg> gnomefreak: idk, not necessarily
[19:43]  * gnomefreak thought it would be noticable or failure during dh_* at the end of build
[19:44] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, we just found something missing in ff3.6
[19:44] <gnomefreak> ah
[19:44] <mahfouz> wow, the upstream build of 3.7 rocks
[19:44] <micahg> I just haven't had time to look into 3.7 yet
[19:44] <mahfouz> flash and everything is fine
[19:44] <micahg> mahfouz: w/flash?  64 bit?
[19:45] <gnomefreak> how do i find all bugs ive commented on in mozilla bug tracker
[19:45] <micahg> gnomefreak: advanced search maybe
[19:45] <mahfouz> flash 64 bit and with ipc.plugins.enabled "true"
[19:45] <mahfouz> everything fine
[19:45] <micahg> mahfouz: k, so we need to investigate here more
[19:45] <mahfouz> did you see the errors, I posted on the bug report?
[19:46] <micahg> mahfouz: not yet, unfortunately, not a priority as we still need to get a few things in lucid
[19:46] <gnomefreak> ill look after email but im looking for the tb3 customize tool bar.
[19:46] <mahfouz> np, just wanted to let you know
[19:46] <mahfouz> ** (firefox-3.7:14282): WARNING **: Serious fd usage error 14
[19:46] <mahfouz> ** (firefox-3.7:14282): WARNING **: Serious fd usage error 12
[19:46] <micahg> mahfouz: thanks, feel free to poke me after beta 1
[19:46] <mahfouz> just those two errors, do you know what they mean?
[19:46] <gnomefreak> we still didnt package 64bit flash or did we
[19:47] <micahg> mahfouz: no, but it's been reported already I think
[19:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's not released yet
[19:47] <mahfouz> ah, ok
[19:47] <gnomefreak> i didnt think adobe ever released stable builds
[19:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, they do
[19:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: it's supposed to be in a release after 10.1
[19:49] <gnomefreak> everyone is going to want it for <=Lucid and backporting flash has been a problem as far as i tried.
[19:49] <micahg> gnomefreak: do you have time to do seamonkey 2?
[19:49] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, the main problem was that it wasn't ready IIRC
[19:50] <gnomefreak> micahg: its too much of a mess for me to touch it. we have to add all packages that was removed and not sure if script for source is still there or if he added it to debian/rules
[19:50] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/firefox-may-never-hit-25-percent-market-share.ars
[19:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: ok, I'll have to try to squeeze it in the next 2 weeks then
[19:50] <gnomefreak> files were also removed and same with nobinonly
[19:50] <micahg> I'm working on prism and fennec now
[19:51] <gnomefreak> if i can figure out how to fix sunbird to grab 1.0b1 since as of now it will only grab stable release
[19:52] <micahg> gnomefreak: don't we need thunderbird-dev first?
[19:52] <gnomefreak> i had tried using tb3 stuff but it didnt work. this was for 0.9 pre release
[19:52] <mahfouz> micahg, btw, it's definitely the ipc.plugins stuff, daily build ppa version works fine also if I disable ipc
[19:52] <micahg> mahfouz: ok, we're probably not installing something
[19:52] <gnomefreak> we dont have t*-dev package?
[19:52] <micahg> gnomefreak: not for TB3 yet
[19:54] <gnomefreak> oh ok than it can wait for that. its not really a priority for Lucid. it can always get to a PPA. I should have more time for lucid+1
[19:54] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, enigmail is broke in lucid, so it's kinda a priority...
[19:55] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes it is, however enigmail is still a mess of crap. im not sure why it is the way it is.
[19:55] <micahg> gnomefreak: 1.0 was released and it should be fine
[19:55]  * gnomefreak has been using upstream dev. enigmail
[19:56] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok i will try it in a bit
[19:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: it should probably be similar to xul-191-dev
[19:59] <gnomefreak> micahg: you mean engimail?
[19:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, tb-dev
[19:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: you need tb-dev for enigmail
[20:00] <gnomefreak> micahg: we need it for xul-192-dev no?
[20:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: no
[20:02] <gnomefreak> i thought 192 was for tb3
[20:02] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, 191
[20:02] <micahg> 3.1 is 192
[20:02] <gnomefreak> oh
[20:03] <gnomefreak> micahg: do you recall what the problem was for 3.1?
[20:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: after the branding landed, the build broke
[20:04] <micahg> I never had time to fix
[20:04] <micahg> and beta 1 is next week
[20:04] <gnomefreak> IIRC we have a branding patch, shouldnt that be the only change except maybe the *.desktop
[20:05] <micahg> no, that wasn't it
[20:05] <gnomefreak> oh
[20:05] <gnomefreak> that would have been too easy ;)
[20:05] <micahg> well, actually, it might have had something to do w/the branding patch..
[20:06] <micahg> yeah, something was missing
[20:07] <micahg> and right now comm-central has tb31 and tb32
[20:08] <gnomefreak> there is a tb32 already. although they should be same base code ATM
[20:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, I think sm21 and tb32 are the same
[20:09] <gnomefreak> sm2.1 is pretty much sm2.0 AFAIR
[20:09] <gnomefreak> was may not be now
[20:09] <micahg> well, only 2 bugs targeted for 3.2 ATM
[20:10] <micahg> well, idk, but sm21 and tb32 should be on 193
[20:11] <micahg> sm21 already has 107 bugs targetted with about half fixed
[20:11] <gnomefreak> they always start next release with stable code to start with. i had asked in IRC mozilla.org servers dont recall who i spoke to but he is main dev for sm
[20:13] <gnomefreak> at least that was when devscripts was grabbing 2.1 source rather than 2.0
[20:28] <micahg> gnomefreak: my guess is by now they've diverged...sm20 has had 4 releases
[20:30] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah by now they have have
[20:30] <gnomefreak> - one have
[20:30] <gnomefreak> !info firefox hardy
[20:39] <gnomefreak> just my luck gwibber doesnt start
[20:46] <gnomefreak> kenvandine: if you are around do you have a sec about gwibber not starting. more so a way to debug daily version
[20:47] <gnomefreak> i guess i just did :)
[20:47] <kenvandine> gnomefreak, not a gwibber bug :)
[20:47] <kenvandine> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+bug/530716
[20:47] <kenvandine> they are working on a fix asap
[20:47] <gnomefreak> kenvandine: thanks i didnt see that one
[20:48] <gnomefreak> missed it since i was looking for gwibber bug
[20:48] <kenvandine> :)
[20:50] <gnomefreak> maybe its just me but it seems like desktopcouch is broken more than not
[21:24] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: got the id for that couch bug ?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> gwibber service is stuck at 100% when ever it starts
[21:25] <kenvandine> bug 530716
[21:25] <kenvandine> we might have a fix
[21:25] <kenvandine> i need to reboot to test it for sure
[21:26] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:39] <BUGabundo> asac: I know of a NM bug that can't remember hidden SSIDs?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I'm getting bashed on twitter
[21:39] <asac> BUGabundo: for what?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> and Ubuntu may loose an entire faculty,
[21:39] <BUGabundo> cause they can't get it to work with 9.10
[21:39] <BUGabundo> asac: wifi, of course
[21:41] <BUGabundo> trying to get him on IRC or a bug report
[21:41] <BUGabundo> we are talking about one of the biggest faculties in portugal
[21:41] <BUGabundo> and they have all PCs with dualboot
[21:41] <BUGabundo> and provide users with their own remake of Ubuntu
[21:42] <BUGabundo> the guy incharge his making the new semester version
[21:42] <BUGabundo> and has several nasty bugs, some of them with keychain and one with NM
[21:42] <BUGabundo> they use wpa2 enterprise, with hidden SSIDs
[21:43] <BUGabundo> a limitation of cisco equipement they have their , to serve eduroam/E-U network
[21:44] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/+bug/473139
[22:00] <BUGabundo> asac: can you take a quick look at that ^^^
[22:01] <BUGabundo> and see if there's anything you can do?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I would hate to loose this much users!


[00:00] <genii> bray90820: Does:dpkg --print-foreign-architectures    result in: i386    ?
[00:01] <bray90820> genii: Can you send that again without pinging me
[00:02] <genii> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[00:02] <bray90820> it says i386
[00:02] <bray90820> So yes it's installed
[00:02] <genii> OK, so you have multilib
[00:04] <bray90820> So anything else I can try?
[00:05] <genii> Ideally you want to get the system in a state first where it's not complaining of broken packages
[00:07] <genii> Hm, I think the syntax is the -f before the directive ( of upgrade/install/whatever)
[00:08] <genii> I think try: sudo apt-get  -f install and see if it does anything
[00:08] <bray90820> genii: Do you mean sudo apt-get install -f
[00:09] <genii> bray90820: Try putting the -f before the  "install" this time, order might matter in this case
[00:09] <bray90820> Both commands run but none of them install anything
[00:11] <genii> Well, they wouldn't. Did you run recently the: sudo apt-get upgrade    ..?
[00:12] <genii> need coffee back in a bit
[00:12] <bray90820> I did yes
[00:15] <genii> Did it complain about packages not able to be installed when you ran sudo apt-get upgrade ...or did it complete without groaning/errors
[00:15] <bray90820> No
[00:15] <genii> So it complained?
[00:16] <bray90820> Oh sorry It compleated without errors
[00:17] <genii> OK, good. Then try: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     ...and see if that finishes without a problem
[00:18] <genii> ..upgrade bumps application versions up to the top minor revision of the major version they are already at, dist-upgrade is able to bump major version numbers of an application
[00:33]  * genii sips fresh coffee
[00:35] <ooberbanana> coffee makes me sleepy..  well one cup does.... more than one then i am up all night.
[00:36] <genii> bray90820: Did you run the dist-upgrade, and if so, did it complete successfully
[00:36] <bray90820> I did run that and it did run sucessfully
[00:37] <genii> Good
[00:38] <bray90820> But i still get errors when trying to install wine32
[00:40] <genii> bray90820: Please pastebin the output and give us the link
[00:41] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/vUCXTJx0
[00:42] <bray90820> Oh shit I think I broke it
[00:43] <genii> That makes little sense because if those packages are broken then sudo apt-get upgrade and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should never have successfully completed without errors
[00:43] <bray90820> That's wjat I was thinking
[00:43] <genii> hm
[00:44] <genii> !info libselinux1 jammy
[00:45] <genii> that package seems to figure prominently but in your paste it's complaining of a much lower version than what is available
[00:46] <bray90820> Hum
[00:46] <genii> what does: apt-cache policy libselinux1    ...report?
[00:46] <Bashing-om> bray90820: apt policy libselinux1 ??
[00:46] <bray90820> I'll do that in a few minutes I kinda broke spmething so letting things fix themselves
[00:46] <bray90820> Oh wait nevermind
[00:47] <genii> Bashing-om: Sometimes I forget that apt-cahce and apt-get are now just amalgamated into a single apt command ....
[00:47] <bray90820> Bashing-om: Can you send the command without pinging me?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> apt policy libselinux1
[00:48] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/TbE48Q3i
[00:49] <Bashing-om> genii: Took me too a while to wean off apt-get --- but apt-get still has it uses :D
[00:50] <genii> Maybe after selinux upgrades it needs a reboot to be the actual running version
[00:50] <genii> Otherwise I can't see why it complains it needs a version higher than 3.1
[00:51] <Bashing-om> genii: A thought - corrupted mergelist ?
[00:51] <genii> That would suck :-/
[00:55] <bray90820> Anyone know what I should do next?
[00:56] <genii> Bashing-om: Googling stuff like "restarting selinux without rebooting" lead me to believe a reboot is required
[00:57] <genii> bray##### I would suggest a reboot and return here after
[01:00] <Bashing-om> genii: Agreed - reboot resets lots of libs :D
[01:01] <Bashing-om> bray90820: ^^ when you come back -- might be instructive to see ; dpkg -l libc6:i386 .
[01:02] <bray90820> Can you send me that command without the ping?
[01:03] <Bashing-om> dpkg -l libc6:i386
[01:03] <bray90820> Thamks
[01:03] <bray90820> I'll try the command in a minute
[01:03] <Bashing-om> !info libc6:i386 jammy
[01:07] <genii> bray90820: The point of directing a particular command to a particular user is partly so that other users in the channel know who it's for, and once in a while a user just entering could enter the command idly. If the command is dangerous this could end badly
[01:08] <genii> ( also the point of directing a message to a specific user is to make sure they see it by being highlighted/pinged/otherwise annoyed) lol
[01:10] <bray90820> Welp now the desktop won't evben boot just stuck at the ubuntu logo
[01:10] <bray90820> I can ping it tho
[01:13] <Bashing-om> bray90820: A thought: From grub - advanced options >> boot an older kernel ?
[01:15] <bray90820> Yeah I'll try that... if I can
[01:19] <bray90820> Ugh nope that won't work because of my stuped GPU not supporting BIOS
[01:23] <Bashing-om> bray90820: From grub >> Recovery mode ?
[01:23] <bray90820> Yeah it's my stupid GPU
[01:23] <bray90820> I'm getting an upgrade tomorrow tho so it will actually work properly
[04:13] <loganlee> hello $ ping -c 3 logan-swift.local works but not $ ping -c 3 logan-swift
[04:13] <loganlee> i want ping -c 3 logan-swift to point to the same machine <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:11] <mmj> Can I install Ubuntu on a laptop with GTX1650 Mobile graphics card
[06:18] <guiverc> mmj, you can try before installing on hardware;  https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install
[06:19] <toddc> !nvidia | mmj
[06:19] <guiverc> do note, the kernel stack provide on an ISO for an LTS changes; I have some old hardware that performs well on GA or older kernel stacks but can have issue on newer stacks; so often I test a number of ISOs of a LTS release & get different results (but that tells me which will work with my hardware!)
[06:58] <Biapy> hi, i'm running a dist upgrade from jammy (without firefox snap) to mantic, and the upgrade process is stalled on "Unpacking firefox (amd64)" with message "Checking connectivity with the snap store" . How can i unstall it
[07:20] <joekn> I had issues with my NVIDIA drivers for a GTX 3050 TI series
[07:20] <joekn> had to disable wayland and revert to 470 driver to get 4 monitors
[08:10] <alocer> Hello Trying to install Ubuntu on G10 with ubuntu jammy from ubuntu.com, i get usb device is not authenticated. is there any way to install with secure boot enabled?
[08:13] <ogra> Biapy, it is part of ubuntu-desktop, so the updater will indeed try to install it (and should succeed unless you did any hacks that prevent this) ... just remove it after the upgrade again
[08:29] <Biapy> ogra: this is not the issue... the issue is that when network fails during installation, snap stall because it can't connect to the snap store... a good kill "solved" the thing.. but............
[08:30] <ogra> Biapy, ah ... so you should probably file a bug ... ubuntu-bug snapd ... or ubuntu-bug update-manager
[08:30] <ogra> (though how do you get your debs for that update when not online ???)
[08:30] <Biapy> ogra, if I have time after solving the mess
[08:31] <Biapy> ogra: I was online  when starting the install, the network was brought down during the deb packages installation (a dns issue i think)
[08:53] <ogra> Biapy, ah, that is definitely an update-manager bug
[09:26] <oxfuxxx> hi
[09:26] <oxfuxxx> !help
[10:18] <inckie> I'm facing an issue with my workplace's recently updated Cisco VPN server. Since the update, I can no longer connect using Network Manager / OpenConnect in Ubuntu 22.04. It seems there are changes to the AnyConnect protocol, as discussed here: https://gitlab.com/openconnect/openconnect/-/issues/665
[10:18] <inckie> Additionally, a bug report was filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openconnect/+bug/2039070, but it has been marked as invalid.
[10:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 665 in openconnect/openconnect "Send user-agent string compatible with newer Cisco servers" [Opened]
[10:18] <inckie> Is there a way to update network-manager-openconnect to a version where this issue is resolved, or could someone suggest an alternative solution? Thanks in advance!
[10:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039070 in network-manager-openconnect (Ubuntu) "[BPO] network-manager-openconnect(-gnome)/1.2.8-3 from lunar to jammy" [Undecided, Invalid]
[10:18] <zetheroo> What's to be done about the following error msg? 'the compiler differs from the one used to build the kernel'
[10:19] <elias_a> zetheroo: What are you trying to do?
[10:19] <zetheroo> Run ESET.
[10:20] <elias_a> zetheroo: What is ESET?
[10:20] <cbreak> inckie: --useragent=AnyConnect on the openconnect cli doesn't help?
[10:20] <zetheroo> here is the full output https://pastebin.com/0mrVMW7X
[10:21] <inckie> cbreak most likely, I'm referring to the GUI, where setting useragent is not an option
[10:21] <elias_a> zetheroo: Seems like you have no GCC installed. Is this correct?
[10:22] <zetheroo> I don't know. It's a "fresh install" of Ubuntu 22.04
[10:23] <elias_a> zetheroo: You are not running software. You are trying to install it. Check the needed dependencies, install them and try again.
[10:24] <zetheroo> The software is already installed, but won't start https://pastebin.com/q8vHiCmB
[10:27] <imi> hi, what does atop do? is it safe to apt purge atop?
[10:29] <inckie> Given that the bug report network-manager-openconnect bug report found on Launchpad was marked as invalid regarding useragent issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openconnect/+bug/2039070. I'm wondering about the proper procedure for reporting such issues. Could there have been a misunderstanding or a mistake in marking
[10:29] <inckie> this report as 'invalid'? Any guidance on this matter would be highly appreciated.
[10:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039070 in network-manager-openconnect (Ubuntu) "[BPO] network-manager-openconnect(-gnome)/1.2.8-3 from lunar to jammy" [Undecided, Invalid]
[10:35] <elias_a> zetheroo: I have no clue with this information. Clam antivirus works out of the box if that would suffice.
[10:48] <zetheroo> I uninstalled and reinstalled the software. Still I get this 'compiler differs' error
[11:14] <tuxinator> Hi guys, at the moment i am trying to understand how journald sends the stuff to syslog on Ubuntu/Kubuntu, any hint on it? journald seems to not have the forwardtosyslog option set by default
[11:30] <zetheroo> elias_a: the solution was to install gcc-12 :)
[11:43] <elias_a> zetheroo: Well I said you don't seem to have GCC installed. :P
[11:43] <elias_a> zetheroo: Good you got it sorted. :)
[11:44] <zetheroo> Yes, thanks!
[11:47] <elias_a> zetheroo: If you really are virus scanning files it would be nice how ESET compares to ClamAV. :)
[11:48] <zetheroo> We need something which is centrally managed, which is the main reason we are not using ClamAV
[11:49] <elias_a> I don't do regular scanning. Mostly when I am helping some poor devil windows user to copy OS and data to a new, bigger SSD...
[11:55] <ben_>  hi all
[11:58] <ben_> hi zw1d
[12:01] <zw1d> Hi ben_
[12:01] <zw1d> _KaszpiR_:  well well well
[12:01] <ben_> :)
[12:15] <zetheroo> Since about a week the system sound comes out of my laptop speakers instead of my BT headset.
[12:15] <zetheroo> But if I make a call the audio output comes through the headset
[12:16] <zetheroo> Why?
[12:16] <zetheroo> Settings > Sound > Output Device = BT headset
[12:44] <Negao_bolado> Bom dia mundo
[12:45] <Negao_bolado> cade o polvo?
[12:50] <xangua> !pt | Negao_bolado
[13:17] <ph88> how can i put a window in another workspace ?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:13] <ph88> when i try to install this https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3737/hue-lights/ it says Open With.. No Apps Available. I'm on ubuntu 23.10 this used to work on 22.04 how can i make it work ?
[14:32] <dumbledoor> Is there a method like invisible() instead of hide() that i can use in this gnome extension: https://pastebin.com/EpNNCYSS The goal is to hide the time but still let the calendar/notifications be accessible by click.
[14:35] <dumbledoor> in gnome
[14:35] <nteodosio> dumbledoor, you might get faster assistance in #gnome.
[15:31] <neteffect> hi happy friday.  say i can't get my cd rom to work after i upgraded
[15:33] <neteffect> its a usb external dvd drive
[15:34] <neteffect> i do blkid and i do not see my cd rom drive
[15:35] <neteffect> when i do sudo lshw -class disk, i do see my cdrom! it even says itś /dev/sr0
[15:37] <neteffect> lsblk doesn´t show /dev/sr0
[15:37] <neteffect> oh now it does
[15:41] <neteffect> fdisk -l doesnt show my cdrom drive sr0
[15:43] <Menzador> neteffect: parted?
[15:43] <neteffect> hi
[15:44] <neteffect> parted i dunno
[15:44] <Menzador> `sudo parted -l`
[15:44] <neteffect> k
[15:47] <neteffect> ty
[15:48] <neteffect> i inserted a working cd into the internal and i see that is wroking now.
[15:48] <neteffect> is it possible to use external usb cdrom drive in ubuntu?
[15:48] <Menzador> yes?
[15:49] <neteffect> ok
[15:50] <neteffect> will my usb cdrom be sr1?
[15:54] <Menzador> It could be, depending on how many optical drives are already installed
[15:55] <BluesKaj> neteffect, sudo blkid should list all connected drives with a descrption
[15:56] <neteffect> ok i check
[15:58] <neteffect> i see an sr0 in blkid
[15:59] <neteffect> i see an sr0 in blkid
[16:00] <neteffect> itś a usb cdrom
[16:00] <neteffect> so it wont be sr device will it
[16:01] <BluesKaj> disconnect the cdrom and run blkid again to see if it's listed or not
[16:02] <neteffect> ok
[16:02] <neteffect> ok i see an sr0, and that is the internal drive, as it has a disk in there I see
[16:03] <BluesKaj> right
[16:05] <neteffect> plug the usb back in and do blkid again?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yes, and make sure you a disk in it
[16:05] <neteffect> am i looking for sr1?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> have
[16:05] <neteffect> ok disk in it
[16:06] <BluesKaj> that depends
[16:07] <neteffect> oh
[16:07] <BluesKaj> is there a disk in the internal cdrom drive
[16:08] <neteffect> yes and it is valid
[16:08] <neteffect> it is a readable disk
[16:08] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:09] <BluesKaj> blkid should show both cdroms with loaded disks
[16:09] <neteffect> i only see the sr0
[16:09] <zetheroo> Any idea why my output audio for Chrome is going to my laptop speakers instead of to my bluetooth headset?
[16:11] <jeremy31> zetheroo: Try switching it back and forth in sound settings, make sure BT output is A2DP
[16:14] <zetheroo> jeremy31: really strange - I had it on A2DP but the audio was terrible - super quiet and scratchy
[16:14] <zetheroo> I switched it back to laptop speakers and then back again to bt headset and now it's suddenly working
[16:15] <zetheroo> I've gotten the sense since a while that the info in the settings doesn't always match the actual mode the headset is in
[16:15] <zetheroo> anyway, it's working again ... for now
[16:15] <neteffect> i tried the command sudo lsusb and i did not see my usb cdrom drive
[16:16] <neteffect> wow
[16:16] <neteffect> i think it just came online
[16:16] <neteffect> yeah its working
[16:16] <neteffect> thank you BluesKaj
[16:16] <neteffect> thank you Menzador
[16:17] <neteffect> for the record i kept messing around with inserting disks and turning the drive on and off and reinserting the usb cord.  I do not know what ultimately caused the drive to be recognized.  This was an external usb cd drive.
[16:17] <neteffect> ty amazing to have it working as i will eventually need it
[16:20] <BluesKaj> neteffect, I use a usb outboard drive that has all my media stuff on it ... use it's UUID to list it in /etc/fstab
[16:38] <Crin> Can someone hep me with a weird issue where i can't SSH into my ubuntu machine right after booting it up, but if i wait 20 minutes and do nothing it fixes itself iand i can ssh into it?
[16:38] <rbox> what does "i can't ssh" mean
[16:38] <rbox> what does the journal say in those 20 minutes
[16:39] <Crin> 1: connect to it through ssh client
[16:42] <Habbie> how does (1) fail?
[16:44] <Crin> im trying to find that out
[16:44] <Crin> the issue is after it resolves itself it wont come back untill the next day
[16:45] <Crin> even after a reboot
[16:45] <Crin> but it oes come back every day
[16:48] <rbox> sounds like a network issue then
[16:48] <rbox> not a linux issue
[16:50] <Crin> maybe but there mus be a way to tell
[16:50] <iomari891> greetings, when checking my boot.log after booting, I see about 15 error lines like "Failed to mount snap-battalion-27.mount - Mount unit for battalion, revision 27".
[16:51] <iomari891> Different snap mounts of course.
[16:52] <rbox> sure, answer those 2 questions
[16:53] <ogra> Crin, what ubuntu version ?
[16:53] <ogra> i.e. see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/sshd-now-uses-socket-based-activation-ubuntu-22-10-and-later/30189
[16:57] <Crin> 22:04 LTS
[17:00] <Crin> interesting thanks
[17:02] <iomari891> https://pastebin.com/fPk81
[17:19] <kooldaddy> im running kubuntu and i have no sound when playin a game but do have sound when watching youtube thanks
[17:22] <kooldaddy> i did have sound at one time it just quit working last night
[17:25] <cicada_> hello
[17:27] <kooldaddy> the sound is working on my laptop which im using linux mint
[18:58] <rogier> So I got a nice mid 2011 27inch imac from marktplaats for not to much money. Good deal 32GB, SSD.  Installed Ubuntu based KDE Neon on it. Everything works perfect
[18:59] <rogier> Only brightness controll doesn't work. Anyone has an idea how to fix this?
[19:00] <ph88> My screen freezes on ubuntu 23.10 regurlarly. On windows i didn´t have problem. Is there anything i can do to troubleshoot the problem ?
[19:01] <rfm> rogier, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1295423/ubuntu-20-04-on-imac-mid-2011-cant-adjust-brightness has a bunch of suggested fixes (most of which seem to be kernel/driver based so would apply even in later ubuntu versions)
[19:06] <lavaball> can i upgrade to newest release via ssh? i did it once and it said ssh wasn't a good idea.
[19:10] <johnfg> hi folks
[19:11] <johnfg> Is it best to use clonezilla from a usb stick?  If so, what is the pkg that can be installed on the system?
[19:11] <rfm> lavaball, the thing is if there is any problem, you can end up being disconnected and not able to get back it, thus a bricked system.
[19:12] <rfm> lavaball, at one time people would run the upgrade in a tmux/screen session so they could reconnect, but this was by no means perfect
[19:14] <ioria> it also opens the session in a new port iirc, so needs to disable fw or add rule
[19:21] <rogier> I need to create a Win 10 USB stick on Ubuntu. Whats a good program. I prefer gui
[19:24] <rud0lf> WoeUSB, rogier
[19:35] <johnfg> Quit
[19:49] <bruska> Hello?
[19:49] <topcat001> rogier: Take a look at this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1295423/ubuntu-20-04-on-imac-mid-2011-cant-adjust-brightness
[19:50] <topcat001> You might need to try more than one approach
[19:55] <ph88> How can i switch to a different kernel version ?
[19:55] <rbox> what version do yo uwant to switch to
[19:58] <ph88> 6.5.3  6.5.5  6.4.16 6.1.53 6.5.12 6.6.2 6.7-rc2
[19:59] <genii> !mainline
[19:59] <ph88> 6.1.63 as well
[20:00] <rbox> you want to switch to 8 kernels?
[20:00] <ph88> if i install from the Mainline PPA can i then later go back to the normal kernel that gets security updates
[20:00] <ph88> rbox, yes one after the other of course
[20:01] <rbox> installing extra packages doesnt change what you can do in the future
[20:01] <lavaball> rfm, so ubuntu isn't meant for remote servers then? or how is that supposed to work?
[20:02] <ph88> rbox, on that linke genii send it says therefore if you install them manually via the Mainline PPA, you will never receive a security update or patch for that version.
[20:06] <rbox> yes, for that version
[20:06] <rbox> you are instlaling a specific version
[20:06] <rbox> that doesnt effect other things you have
[20:06] <genii> That's correct. You'd need to uninstall the mainline kernel(s) manually and reboot to to the default system kernel before it would then be able to update pathches or newer default kernels
[20:07] <rfm> lavaball, it's the same problem with remote systems regardless of OS; either you need a way of accessing the console remotely, a way of cloning the remote system to upgrade it so can restart on failure, or procedures to configure a new install remote system (and just never do release upgrades.)
[20:08] <ph88> rbox, how do i go back to the normal version after that ?
[20:08] <genii> When the system checks for updates and sees a later version kernel installed than one it has patches for or it has a lower versioned kernel available to upgrade to, it won't do those updates because it sees you have one later than what it has available
[20:09] <ph88> oh ok so multiple versions of kernels exist alongside each other and then i would have to uninstall the mainline versions and the default version would work as before ?
[20:09] <genii> ph88: Once you've installed a deb file manually, the system can uninstall it using apt
[20:10] <genii> ph88: You could still boot to the older default kernel but updates to kernels higher than that one but lower than the mainline kernel you install will not be applied
[20:11] <genii> ( until you uninstall the mainline kernel, reboot to the old one, ane runn all the standard updates)
[20:13] <ph88> sounds good
[20:20] <ph88> how do i put a window on another desktop ?
[20:23] <ph88> oh i think i found it ctrl + shift + alt + arrow left or right
[20:23] <ph88> and super + shift + arrow left or right does the same
[20:24] <ph88> when i try to install this https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3737/hue-lights/ it says Open With.. No Apps Available. I'm on ubuntu 23.10 this used to work on 22.04 how can i make it work ?
[20:45] <tomreyn> ph88: normally, all you'd need to do is to toggle the on/off switch at https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3737/hue-lights/
[20:45] <ph88> oh my bad i didn't install the browser extension
[20:46] <tomreyn> i think this is installed by default
[20:47] <ph88> i used the minimal installation option
[20:47] <tomreyn> another option would be to place the downloaded file in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/
[20:48] <tomreyn> hmm, yes, maybe minimal would cause this
[20:49] <puff`> Afternoon.  I'm at my cousin's house and something weird is going on with the wifi.  I can connect my laptop (ubuntu 20.04.1) to the wifi but I can't get on the internet.
[20:49] <puff`> I can connect my android phone to the wifi, and get to the internet, and when I put my android phone in hotspot mode and connect my laptop to the hotspot, I can get on the internet.
[20:51] <ph88> oh i love this https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6382/week-start-modifier/
[20:51] <ph88> puff`, can you try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:52] <puff`> ph88: I can disconnect from my hotspot, connect directly to the wifi, and try that.
[20:52] <ph88> yes directly connect to wifi then ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:54] <puff`> Hm, I get a response from <IP_ADDRESS>, so I guess that suggests something weird with the DNS server.
[20:54] <puff`> 11.06ms ping time.
[20:55] <tomreyn> and when you ping one.one.one.one you get?
[20:55] <lavaball> rfm, i updte other systems all the time. no issues. so this is just being overcautious. well, thanks for explainin.
[20:55] <lavaball> g
[20:57] <puff> tomreyn: ping: one.one.one.one: Temporary failure in name resolution
[20:57] <tomreyn> puff: so you were right, it's a resolver issue
[20:58] <tomreyn> you could override the resolver in the wireless connection profile, setting it to, e.g., <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:05] <ph88> alt + ` to switch windows of the same application does not work for me in ubuntu 23.10. I already tried super + ` .. does someone know a fix for this ?
[21:26] <puff> Hm, this is annoying.  Setting the DNS to <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS> seemed to work for a bit, then didn't.  I'm not sure if that's some sort of false positive because I'm switching between the house wifi and my android hotspot.
[21:27] <puff> I popped up settings/network, selected the wifi network here, clicked the tab for IPv4 and edited the DNS field, left the buttons on "Automatic (DHCP)" and DNS: Automatic.  Did the same on the IPv6 tabs.
[21:28] <puff> Just did it again, although, oddly, it's not turning the "Apply" button green.
[21:32] <tomreyn> you're not overriding the DHCP provided DNS this way
[21:34] <tomreyn> disable the "automatic" switch on the DNS line, "apply" to close the window and reconnect by clicking on the wireless connection
[21:34] <tomreyn> disable the "automatic" switch on the DNS line, "apply" to close the window and reconnect by clicking on the wireless connection
[21:34] <puff``> tomreyn: Thanks.
[21:41] <puff> Hm, this is rather crazy making.
[21:41] <puff> It sorta seems to work, but then not.
[21:42] <puff> I originally set the dns to:<IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:43] <puff> Could the space cause a problem? I've tried multiple times to edit and remove the space, then click "Apply" (which does turn green after I edit it, in the IPv4 tab but not in the IPv6 tab). But it doesn't seem to actually save it.
[21:51] <puff> Okay, I *think* it's working now. I realized one red herring is that I apparently can only connect to libera when I'm on my android phone hotspot (to be clear, it's ubuntu laptop -> android hotspot -> house wifi) with whatever default DNS, rather than connected directly to the house wifi with the DNS overridden (to <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>).  Weird.
[21:53] <WaV> In regards to connecting to the home wifi, I don't think phone hotspots work that way, but I could be wrong. I think when you connect to the phone hotspot, it uses the cell connection for your Internet, not whatever WiFi network the phone was connected to.
[21:54] <ben_> hi all
[21:54] <matsaman> heyo
[21:57] <puff> WaV: Good question, all I can say is that on the Internet dropdown, the phone says it's on the wifi.  I don't know if the phone hotspot routes through the wifi or not. I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is "not".
[21:57] <puff> Thanks again folks, guess I'll have to live without IRC until I get home.
[22:50] <bray90820> Hey if I were to change my CPU and motherboard could I boot ubuntu properly still or would I get errors?
[22:54] <tomreyn> if it's the same architecture and boot mode, and you configured your mainboard firmware to boot from the same disk / ESP, it should still boot.
[22:57] <bray90820> Cool
[22:57] <bray90820> Thanks
[23:27] <webchat3> WHILE INSTALLING UBUNTU, AS SOON AS I TRY  TO BOOT THE USB FROM BIOS AND SELECT UBUNTU. IT TURNS BLACK AND REMAINS BLACK. I HAVE ALIENWARE M16. RTX4070
[23:29] <tomreyn> webchat3: hi there. please disable caps lock first of all.
[23:29] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you trying to install?
[23:29] <webchat3> 20.04
[23:30] <tomreyn> i'm guessing this can be too old, try a newer release
[23:30] <webchat3> let me try installing the newer version.
[23:31] <tomreyn> you may also need to install with the failsafe graphics option
[23:32] <webchat3> will this option come while installing ubuntu?
[23:32] <tomreyn> it should be on the first screen which says "Grub"
[23:33] <webchat3> i will try installing and come back in 10 mins
[23:33] <robin0800> you may need to boot in uefi mode and not bios
[23:35] <tomreyn> a bios update can also help
[23:37] <webchat3> it is in uefi mode. i press f12 option pop up for me choose which drive i have to boot. i select USB drive. that is it right?
[23:38] <tomreyn> probably
[23:39] <robin0800> when I do it has uefi in front of the usb
[23:39] <tomreyn> you could disable compatibility support mode/module in bios, if you hae this setting, to be sure you only have uefi targets listed on the boot menu
[23:47] <tomreyn> make sure "hybrid graphics" is enabled in bios at least for the installation


[18:11] <jelmer> cjwatson: okay, that made that decision easier - thanks :-)
[18:11] <jelmer> We announced the drop of support for 3.2 to the list recently
[18:13] <jugmac00> jelmer: which list is that? And FWIW breezy-vcs.org returns a 504 gateway timeout
[18:15] <jelmer> jugmac00: this is https://groups.google.com/g/breezy-vcs
[18:15] <jelmer> The homepage being down is a known issue, should hopefully be back later today
[18:15] <jugmac00> jelmer: thank you!


[03:58] <Paddy_NI> Hello is there a ppa with the current stable release of thunderbird 3?
[03:58] <Paddy_NI> All I can find are testing and unstable
[03:58] <micahg> Paddy_NI: not yet, my test ppa has the build which is the release, but labeled as shreddder
[03:58]  * micahg hopes to finish it soon
[03:58] <Paddy_NI> micahg, thank you.. do you have a link?
[03:59] <Paddy_NI> micahg, It is looking really nice
[03:59] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-beta
[04:00] <Paddy_NI> micahg, adding this ppa wont automatically want to update my firefox will it?
[04:00] <micahg> Paddy_NI: I suggest pinning all ppa's to 450
[04:00] <Paddy_NI> Excuse my ignorance but what does that mean?
[04:01] <micahg> Paddy_NI: so that you have to explicitely choose a PPA package over one in the ubuntu archive
[04:01] <micahg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/352682/
[04:02] <micahg> if you add that to /etc/apt/preferences, you will need to choose a PPA version over an archive version
[04:02] <[reed]> micahg: can you see about getting mozilla bug 538028 filed with libnotify upstream?
[04:02] <[reed]> or tell me where I can do it
[04:02] <micahg> [reed]: let me check
[04:05] <micahg> [reed]: http://trac.galago-project.org/report
[04:05] <[reed]> (thx
[04:05] <[reed]> thx
[04:05] <Paddy_NI> micahg, do you mean create a file in the '/etc/apt/preferences.d/' directory with that content?
[04:05] <Paddy_NI> micahg, also what should the file extension be if any?
[04:05] <micahg> hmm
[04:06]  * micahg didn't know they added a preferences.d
[04:06] <Paddy_NI> there is no /etc/apt/preferences
[04:06] <micahg> Paddy_NI: you can add it
[04:06] <Paddy_NI> ok thanks
[04:06] <micahg> Paddy_NI: depends if you want this for all PPAs or just mine
[04:06] <micahg> I can tell you what to puteither way
[04:08] <Paddy_NI> What should the name of the file be?
[04:08] <micahg> Paddy_NI: it can be anything in the dir, or preferences if in /etc/apt
[04:09] <Paddy_NI> so I can call it 'ppa-prefs'?
[04:09] <micahg> Paddy_NI: yes, after you do that, do an apt-get update, and then apt-cache policy
[04:10] <micahg> you should see the ppa.launchpad.net at 450
[04:10] <micahg> if you've added a PPA
[04:12] <Paddy_NI> micahg, thanks you have been most helpful :)
[04:12] <micahg> Paddy_NI: np, the release version should be in Lucid before next week for alpha-2
[04:13] <Paddy_NI> would be nice if someone could make firefox and thunderbird compatible with the gnome-globalmenu-applet
[04:13] <micahg> Paddy_NI: idk what that is, but you can file a bug request in LP
[04:14] <Paddy_NI> micahg, yeah I guess so..
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:53] <drclue> Howdy all. This channel could be just what I'm looking for. I'm running Firefox 3.5.6 on Ubuntu and unlike my other Firefox and unlike my Opera , when I click links in http://<IP_ADDRESS>/main.php , the browser goes through the motions of loading , but does not render anything. Any clues on this weird behavior?
[09:56] <drclue> What's weird is my other Firefox , running on a Debian box is actually an older Firefox.  I've only seen this behavior replicated in a single windows box running Firefox 3.5.6
[09:58] <drclue> Other folks running 3.5.6 in other instances have had no issues at all.
[10:01] <drclue> I've gone round and round with this one for over a month and just can't seem to find a way to make the problem go away.  I do use a lot of XSL  XHTML to XHTML transforms
[10:03] <drclue> I do know that if I either click the links a bunch of times or hit the reload button the rendering eventually kicks in and works as expected , but it would be nice if it would render each time instead of just putting the new clicked address in the location line , transferring all the files and forgetting to render
[11:47] <fta> lol, "The TLS support is being done via an extension point, to avoid depending directly on the TLS library, and there may end up being two implementations of the TLS extension point; one using GNU TLS (which is nice and small and doesn’t have a zillion dependencies) and one using NSS (which is more complicated and vaguely annoying to use outside the context of mozilla, but is FIPS 140 certified, which is important to Fedora)."
[12:08] <[reed]> woo FIPS
[14:42] <bdrung> asac: m-d 0.19 is ready for release. any objections?
[18:32] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/353052/
[18:34] <asac> fta: tlslite has no license info :(
[18:35] <asac> fta: yes. thats ld_libpath
[18:35] <asac> chromium should load that by GRE path i guess
[18:35] <asac> or provide their own mozjs
[18:37] <asac> ok all public domain according to readme
[18:40] <fta> they removed milestone-5 for the license bug :(
[18:40] <fta> milestone-X now :(
[18:44] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37532689/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.mozilla-devscripts_0.19~umd4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:44] <asac> bdrung: ^^
[18:45] <micahg> asac: mozilla upgraded trunk to sqlite 3.6.22 and it built fine
[18:49] <bdrung> fta: lsb_release problem, let me check it
[18:50] <asac> micahg: cool
[18:51] <fta> asac, the channels ppa are stuck, upstream doesn't upgrade http://src.chromium.org/svn/releases/LATEST.txt
[18:51] <fta> (channel PPAs)
[18:52] <asac> fta: do we need build-tree/src/third_party/ocmock
[18:52] <asac> ?
[18:52] <asac> fta: is that a problem?
[18:52] <asac> ocmock is incompatible with GPL
[18:53] <fta> never heard of that
[18:53] <fta> let me check
[18:54] <asac> same for the files that have BSD (4 clause)
[18:54] <asac> all that is practically illegal if they interface in anyway with the GPL stuff
[18:55] <fta> hm, please update the bug then
[18:57] <fta> asac, ^^
[18:57] <fta> asac, ocmock is for mac only, i will drop it
[18:57] <asac> i can do that if you dont mind
[18:57] <asac> i committed the gles_example_book removal already
[18:58] <asac> so update if you commit it ;)
[19:02] <fta> oops, too late
[19:02] <fta> i pulled it first so it's fine
[19:05] <asac_> fta: what is th elicenseing bug?
[19:05] <asac_> do we need third_party/scons?
[19:06] <asac_> lets strip that too
[19:06] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291
[19:08] <bdrung> asac, fta: pushed m-d fix
[19:08] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=22140
[19:10] <asac_> commented ;)
[19:10] <asac_> bdrung: thanks. test your stuff ;) ... hehe
[19:11] <asac_> but thanks for quick fix
[19:11] <bdrung> asac: that fix was simple (other solution would be build depend on lsb_release) :)
[19:12] <asac_> i havent checked what you did now
[19:12] <asac_> i trust you to do  sane things ;)
[19:13] <fta> asac_, i said somewhere that i knew nothing about issues with compatible licenses incompatible between each others :P
[19:15] <asac_> thats why i commented  ;) ... fta: http://pastebin.com/f1bd4a626
[19:15] <asac_> i will remove BSD 4-clause fromthe whitelist
[19:15] <asac_> so we are down to just a few
[19:16] <asac_> i would like to strip scons
[19:16] <fta> it's probably possible but i need to test build 1st, it may be deeply rooted
[19:16] <asac_> ok
[19:17] <asac_> otherwise what license is scons?
[19:17] <asac> i can overwrite it
[19:17] <asac> just have pain from all this ;) and hoped for killing the rest ;)
[19:17] <asac> after that all third_party is done
[19:17] <asac> and i can move to the rest
[19:17] <fta> most probably the same as our system scons :P
[19:17] <fta> there are several third_party dirs, at least 3
[19:17] <asac> fta: gyp license issue didnt move, right?
[19:18] <fta> right
[19:18] <asac> can you poke someone?
[19:18] <fta> sure
[19:18] <asac> thats rather important ... without that we cant get it in
[19:18] <asac> tell them that chromium is close to archive entering ;)
[19:18] <fta> poking is easy, getting the fix is not ;)
[19:18] <asac> and gyp is blocking us ;)
[19:18] <asac> what was the gyp bug?
[19:19] <asac> gyp had no license at all, right?
[19:19] <fta> it's in the block list of the main license bug
[19:19] <fta> it has one, global
[19:19] <fta> bsd iirc
[19:19] <fta> asac, ^^ http://code.google.com/p/gyp/ (on the right)
[19:20] <asac> ij
[19:20] <asac> ok
[19:20] <asac> fta: is current gyp in ppa the one we want in lucid?
[19:20] <asac> give me .dsc file i will tell stevenk to poke it
[19:21] <fta> take the one in the daily ppa
[19:21] <fta> the one in the beta is 1 or 2 releases older
[19:22] <asac> fta: can we strip breakpad?
[19:22] <asac> thats bsd 4 clause
[19:22] <asac> ok
[19:22] <fta> hmm, not sure, it probably possibe if we just keep the gyp file
[19:23] <fta> yes, we must keep the gyp file
[19:24] <fta> i have hooks for that
[19:24] <asac> fta: ok. can you take care that that is out?
[19:25] <fta> damn, my hooks are for system libs
[19:26] <fta> it was STRIPPED_SYSTEM_LIB_DIRS
[19:26] <asac> ok committed the licensecheck.pl as a checkpoint
[19:26] <asac> more coming
[19:33] <asac> fta: i think we need one more bump for gyp: proper bug closing:
[19:33] <asac> bug 504425
[19:35] <fta> asac, you're whitelisting files without copyrights?
[19:35] <asac> fta: same for gyp
[19:35] <asac> strip?
[19:35] <asac> fta: if they have a license. then yes.
[19:36] <asac> well. it will still show up with no copyright if it has no copyright
[19:36] <asac> but a bunch had no license, but copyright
[19:36] <asac> so i inject just the license
[19:36] <asac> and its complete
[19:36] <asac> maybe we should look up a good default copyright owner ... but that would be a bit far taken
[19:36] <asac> because license is probably guessable from top level dir
[19:37] <asac> while the copyright owner could be anyone
[19:37] <asac> also i eleveated files where authors didnt put license in each file, but still mixed BSD/MIT/GPL/LGPL
[19:37] <asac> and make that GPL (v2 or later) compatible
[19:38] <asac> e.g. basically saying that all the other shit is also distributed as GPL for us
[19:38] <asac> (thats ok if they are compatible)
[19:39] <asac> works quite good. third party problem file is only 250 lines long
[19:39] <asac> all together its currently 1000 ;)
[19:39] <asac> taking a break now and then finishing all the other stuff
[19:39] <asac> third party is finishable too i guess
[19:39] <asac> its just two or three subtrees with problems
[19:40] <asac> http://pastebin.com/f4f0eee23
[19:40] <fta> asac, why isn't the generated copyright file in the branch?
[19:40] <asac> thats the current third_party problems
[19:40] <asac> fta: i will create it when i am done
[19:40] <asac> first want to finish the cleanup
[19:40] <asac> also will put a .problems only file in there
[19:40] <asac> like the one i pasted
[19:41] <asac> the biggest part left is to find full copyright text for all the whitelisted licenses
[19:41] <asac> want to help?
[19:41] <asac> ;)
[19:41] <asac> we need to append them to the file
[19:41] <asac> like what i started inthe .override file
[19:49] <asac> fta: can you commit the gyp changes so i can upload it?
[19:49] <asac> or just upload on your own ;)
[19:49] <asac> you have the powers
[19:49] <asac> will get stevenk review it
[19:50] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/353084/ ?
[19:51] <asac> just LP: #....
[19:51] <asac> not the CLoses
[19:51] <asac> and a colon
[19:51] <asac> after LP
[19:51] <fta> do you need something else? i mean, besides the gyp license bug
[19:51] <asac> so: LP: #504425
[19:51] <asac> i hope its fine
[19:51] <asac> i am not really familiar with python packaging
[19:51] <asac> might be that it gets rejected because its not policy compliance
[19:51] <asac> but we will see
[19:51] <asac> want to upload it to debian right afterwards too
[19:52] <fta> Closes: #XXX was added by dch when i 1st created the file
[19:52] <asac> yeah.
[19:52] <asac> thats debian syntax
[19:52] <asac> will add that for the debian upload
[19:52] <asac> have to file an ITP first
[19:52] <asac> fta: oh in copyirght
[19:52] <asac> you should mention what license the debian/ dir has
[19:52] <asac> e.g. what license you want to put that under
[19:53] <asac> you can use everything for that. but norm is to use either "upstream" license ... or GPL-3 (or later)
[19:53] <asac> easiest would probably to just say that "debian/ packaging is licensed under same license as the upstream code"
[19:58] <bdrung> asac: did you test m-d?
[19:58] <asac> no
[19:58] <asac> i wont have time for anything this week :( ... alpha-2 is pressing hard
[19:59] <bdrung> asac: am i allowed to release it or do you insist on checking it?
[20:00] <asac> in a perfect world you would test all packages that build depend on mozilla-devsript
[20:00] <asac> and if there are no issues release
[20:01] <asac> i can help you with that next week if you can wait
[20:01] <bdrung> asac: k, will write a testscript :)
[20:01] <asac> cooooool
[20:01] <asac> its just kind of a big rewrite so checking carefully feels right
[20:02] <bdrung> asac: i already pulled all package (for running grep on them)
[20:04] <asac> fta: the big question mark i am having atm is where to replace the default startpage for chromium ;)
[20:05] <asac> but first -> food
[20:05] <fta> asac, hmm, i don't think so, not without patching :P
[20:11] <fta> asac, you want me to upload gyp but we know we still have the license bug open.. :S
[20:18] <[reed]> anybody know Matthias Clasen's IRC nick?
[20:18] <micahg> [reed]: mclasen
[20:19] <[reed]> thanks
[20:22] <asac> in -desktop
[20:22] <asac> [reed]: ^
[20:22] <[reed]> asac: I msg'd him
[20:22] <asac> kk
[20:22] <[reed]> hasn't responded yet
[20:31] <asac> ok continuing ;)
[20:32] <[reed]> he responded, but he's busy now, so I'll have to wait
[20:32] <[reed]> really just need his gpg key
[20:32] <[reed]> so I can send him encrypted mail
[20:32] <asac> heh
[20:32] <asac> and you use irc to get that ;)
[20:32] <asac> search the key servers
[20:33] <asac> probably similar secure
[20:33] <gavin> not on launchpad?
[20:33] <asac> he is redhat
[20:33] <asac> afaik
[20:33] <[reed]> he is
[20:34]  * asac runs gpg --search-keys "Matthias Clasen"
[20:34] <asac> there it is
[20:34] <asac> asac@tinya:/tmp/pp/gyp-0.1~svn770$ gpg --search-keys "Matthias Clasen"
[20:34] <asac> gpg: searching for "Matthias Clasen" from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
[20:34] <asac> (1)	Matthias Clasen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>1024 bit DSA key 4E92C235, created: 2007-01-12
[20:34] <asac> (2)	Matthias Clasen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>1024 bit DSA key 3D5AC636, created: 2005-10-18
[20:34] <asac> so gpg --recv-keys ...
[20:34] <asac> ;)
[20:35] <asac> [reed]: ^
[20:35]  * sebner is wondering if asac is playing stalker :P
[20:35] <[reed]> he says he doesn't have gpg set up locally
[20:36] <[reed]> so, I'll just get him to create an account on bmo
[20:36] <[reed]> and CC him ;)
[20:39] <bdrung> asac: there are many FTBFS, i have to improve my testscript
[20:44] <bdrung> asac: we have renamed med-xpi-*pack to xpi-*pack. a few packages uses these scripts. i will correct these package.
[20:44] <asac> great
[20:45] <asac> [reed]: bmo mails are still send in plain text to all CCed
[20:45] <asac> i dont see why you want gpg ;)
[20:45] <asac> or arent mails sent out anymore?
[20:45] <asac> i think at some point it was discussed to just send notificaoitn that there was an update
[20:59] <bdrung> asac: i found bugs, that come from m-d 0.16 and one "failed to build twice". :)
[21:18] <bdrung> asac: do you have a better name for install-xpi?
[21:21] <bdrung> asac: should i call this tool dh_installxpi?
[21:34] <bdrung> asac: would you support my ubuntu core dev application?
[21:45] <micahg> bdrung: you want to clean up prism?
[22:01] <fta> asac, about to try a build without scons/breakpad in the tarball. want me to drop anything else?
[22:02] <asac> gyp?
[22:03] <fta> ok
[22:06] <asac> fta: build-tree/src/tools/wine_valgrind/
[22:06] <asac> build-tree/src/v8/test/cctest/
[22:07] <asac> build-tree/src/sdch/open-vcdiff/
[22:07] <asac> ?
[22:07] <asac> whats that?
[22:07] <asac> do we need build-tree/src/native_client/ ?
[22:08] <asac> what license is that?
[22:08] <asac> http://pastebin.com/fa474aee
[22:08] <asac> thats the list of current issues
[22:08] <asac> the more subtrees get removed, the less we have ;)
[22:08] <bdrung> micahg: at least add a clean target
[22:09] <micahg> bdrung: I probably won't get to it till later in teh cycle
[22:09] <asac> build-tree/src/tools/symsrc
[22:09] <micahg> bdrung: do I just list the dirs to remove?
[22:09] <micahg> dirs/files
[22:11] <asac> fta: ill go to the shop and buy some stuff ... then 1h more of whitelisting and we should have a really small set of probs
[22:11] <bdrung> micahg: it builds then at least. let me check the diff file
[22:11] <asac> so maybe wait a bit so we can remove more if i dont find license info for that
[22:11] <asac> but go ahead and test without scons etc.
[22:12] <asac> bbib
[22:19] <bdrung> micahg: where is the prism branch?
[22:20] <micahg> bdrung: lp:prism
[22:20] <micahg> bdrung: feel free to take that bug
[22:21] <bdrung> micahg: i will
[22:21] <micahg> bdrung: thanks
[22:24] <bdrung> micahg: the lp:prism branch differs from the package in lucid. what should i do?
[22:24] <micahg> bdrung: shouldn't differ...
[22:25] <micahg> oh, yeah
[22:25] <micahg> I guess it does
[22:25] <bdrung> micahg: btw, here is the fix: http://paste2.org/p/598971
[22:26] <micahg> bdrung: idk if we should make a release or not
[22:26] <micahg> there seem to be some issues
[22:26] <micahg> the prism.karmic branch has the same stuff as lucid
[22:26] <micahg> at the moment
[22:26] <bdrung> micahg: it's your decision.
[22:27] <bdrung> micahg: should i pull the karmic branch and push it as lucid branch?
[22:27] <micahg> bdrung: I think we usually use .head for the devel branch
[22:27] <micahg> but idk
[22:27] <micahg> fta or asac?
[22:28] <fta> .head
[22:28] <bdrung> fta: there is no prism.head
[22:29] <micahg> bdrung: it's lp:prism
[22:29] <fta> yeah, it's a very old branch: ~mozillateam/prism/prism/
[22:29] <micahg> fta, sorry I meant for the devel release
[22:29] <fta> i have it a .head locally
[22:30] <micahg> fta, should I rename?
[22:30] <fta> not now, i would need to update the bot and i don't have time, busy with chromium
[22:30] <micahg> fta, k
[22:31] <micahg> fta, what should he do about updating lucid, branch at r119, release and merge the changes into head?
[22:32] <fta> for lucid, no need to branch
[22:32] <micahg> fta, it won't work since I've made changes for the daily
[22:32] <micahg> so he'd have to release a new version, not just an update
[22:33] <micahg> and there are some issues, so I don't want to break lucid version without more testing
[22:33] <fta> unfortunate. branch then
[22:33] <micahg> bdrung: branch at r119, release and merge the changes into head?
[22:34] <bdrung> k
[22:34] <micahg> fta, that should work, right?
[22:34] <micahg> will the tag import as well?
[22:34] <fta> it should
[22:34] <micahg> ok
[22:35] <micahg> if it doesn't I guess we can start prism.lucid early...
[22:35] <asac> micahg: you made changes to .daily branch?
[22:36] <asac> thats bad ;)
[22:36] <asac> cherry pick thos commits to .head and hope that the daily merge succeeds i would say
[22:37] <bdrung> asac: he made changes to .head (not .daily)
[22:37] <asac> then whats the problem?
[22:37] <micahg> asac: not .daily, head
[22:37] <micahg> asac: the problem is we've had some bugs with the PPA version
[22:38] <micahg> so I don't want to release to Lucid until I fix them
[22:38] <micahg> or confirm they're not bugs
[22:38] <asac> yeah
[22:38] <asac> so you want to do a release from a previous version?
[22:38] <asac> revision
[22:38] <micahg> so, I suggested branching .head at 119 which was the version that was released, make the changes, release, and merge back into .head
[22:39] <asac> thats done by branching previous version locally ... doing release commit locally ... merging that branch back into .head
[22:39] <micahg> asac: will that work?
[22:39] <asac> and then releasing the tag
[22:39] <asac> right
[22:39] <asac> but no need to make a online .lucid branch
[22:39] <micahg> asac: that's what I told him to do
[22:39] <asac> that can all be done locally
[22:39] <asac> oh cool
[22:39] <asac> yeah
[22:39] <micahg> asac: I was going on our conversations while you were showing me how to do releases the other day
[22:39] <asac> yeah. but dont create a .lucid branch
[22:40] <asac> ;)
[22:40] <micahg> asac: I saw that as a last resort if the other stuff didn't work
[22:40] <asac> right
[22:42] <bdrung> micahg or asac: how do i create the tag afterwards?
[22:43] <asac> bdrung: just do the release commit locally (that creates the tag) ... when you merge in the tag is still there
[22:43] <bdrung> k
[22:43] <asac> debcommit -r
[22:43] <asac> -> release commit with tag
[22:43] <bdrung> asac: debcommit -r will do it? yes
[22:43] <asac> yeah.
[22:44] <bdrung> you answered before i finished typing :)
[22:44] <asac> hehe
[22:45]  * asac dives back into chromium license mess
[22:45] <asac> for 1h
[22:46] <bdrung> asac: bzr tags shows "1.0~b2+svn20090813r49078-0ubuntu2 ?"
[22:47] <bdrung> asac: so the tag merge failed
[22:47] <micahg> bdrung: what's wrong with that?
[22:47] <bdrung> micahg: the ? instead of the number
[22:48] <micahg> oh...
[22:48] <micahg> hmm
[22:48] <micahg> let me see
[22:49] <fta> asac, hm third_party/apple
[22:50] <micahg> bdrung: wfm
[22:50] <micahg> bdrung: check the changelog entry
[22:54] <micahg> bdrung: make sure to delete the tag if it's wrong
[22:55] <micahg>  bzr tag --delete TAG
[22:55] <asac> fta: thats just one line, right?
[22:55] <asac> bdrung: that means you uncommitted something that had the tag
[22:56] <bdrung> asac: yeah, you are right. i played with the debuild parameter...
[22:57]  * micahg just learned something new...
[22:58] <asac> BSD Protection License
[22:58] <asac> -> evil
[22:58] <asac> build-tree/src/courgette/third_party/
[22:58] <asac> fta: do we need that?
[22:58] <asac> its GPL incompatible afaict
[22:58] <asac> even unfree
[22:58] <asac> it prevents use with GPL
[22:58] <asac> explicitly
[22:59] <bdrung> micahg, asac: it's pushed now with an correct tag
[22:59] <asac> great. if you tested, push
[23:04] <bdrung> pushed
[23:11] <asac> fta: /sandbox definitly should have an explicit license
[23:12] <asac> i assume its BSD (3-clause) ... but its nowhere
[23:13] <fta> asac, courgette no. it would be nice to have an equiv though. maybe apt delta something
[23:14] <asac> fta: build-tree/src/tools/site_compare/
[23:14] <asac> do we need that
[23:14] <asac> it has only all rights reserved
[23:14] <fta> hm, i'm not sure. doesn't ring a bell
[23:14] <asac> at best we could wipe that whole thing
[23:14] <asac> looks like crap ;)
[23:14] <asac> lots of win32
[23:15] <asac> and stuff
[23:15] <fta> you should list those somewhere, i'm having a hard time keeping track
[23:15] <asac> hehe
[23:15] <asac> yes.
[23:15] <asac> not sure where
[23:15] <asac> i will keep them
[23:15] <asac> the probs outputted are reasonable short now
[23:15] <fta> initially, my *_DROP_* were to just remove huge dirs
[23:16] <fta> a wiki page, maybe
[23:16] <asac> we have backlog here for now
[23:16] <asac> build-tree/src/tools/stats_viewer/ -> drop (thats C sharp)
[23:17] <fta> ok, build is fine without gyp/scons/breakpad
[23:17] <asac> yeah
[23:17] <asac> very good
[23:17] <asac> now with all the other stuff i mentioned ;)
[23:17] <asac> 23:06 < asac> fta: build-tree/src/tools/wine_valgrind/
[23:17] <asac> 23:06 < asac> build-tree/src/v8/test/cctest/
[23:17] <asac> 23:07 < asac> build-tree/src/sdch/open-vcdiff/
[23:17] <asac> build-tree/src/tools/symsrc
[23:18] <asac> build-tree/src/courgette/third_party/
[23:18] <asac> build-tree/src/tools/site_compare/
[23:18] <fta> oh my
[23:18] <asac> build-tree/src/tools/stats_viewer/
[23:18] <asac> also build-tree/src/tools/valgrind
[23:18] <asac> but i am almost through ;)
[23:19] <asac> so there is light!
[23:20] <asac> ok rerunning
[23:26] <jdstrand> asac: so there are no mfsa's for 3.0.17 and 3.5.7-- the website says this was not a security update
[23:28] <jdstrand> asac: did it fix regressions introduced in the last update?
[23:30] <asac> [reed]: ^^
[23:32] <asac> fta: could you verify that my last checking extends licensecheck in the right way?
[23:32] <asac> the idea was to only add license/copyright info if its UNKNOWN
[23:32] <fta> sdch/open-vcdiff is needed, we build it
[23:32] <asac> but not overwrite in case the stuff has licensing
[23:32] <asac> i might have missed something
[23:32] <asac> ok
[23:33] <asac> let me look more carefully for a license there then
[23:33] <micahg> bdrung: wouldn't {misc:depends} be pulled in with prism?
[23:33] <jdstrand> I guess https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535193 could be the reason-- the other two listed in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.1%3A.7-fixed don't seem to affect us
[23:33] <bdrung> micahg: only one package had it. now all have it
[23:34] <micahg> bdrung: yes, but all the other packages depends on the one that had it
[23:35] <bdrung> micahg: lintian complained about it. the new policy is, that all should have it.
[23:35] <asac> jdstrand: let me check
[23:35] <micahg> bdrung: hmmm
[23:35] <bdrung> micahg: there are many other lintian warnings. e.g. missing README.source, no patch header, ...
[23:35] <micahg> that seems like a bug...
[23:35] <bdrung> micahg: i read something on the debian mailing list
[23:35] <jdstrand> there was an NTLM update in the last update (CVE-2009-3983)
[23:36] <micahg> bdrung: is that in case the individual packages need something else?
[23:36] <bdrung> micahg: yes
[23:37] <micahg> k
[23:37] <asac> [reed]: you stopped using fixed1.9.1.x keyword?
[23:37] <asac> what is the right one now?
[23:38] <micahg> asac: there's a status1.9.1 with a .x for values
[23:38] <micahg> or.x-fixed
[23:39] <asac> how do i query that?
[23:39] <micahg> it was posted above: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.1%3A.7-fixed
[23:40] <micahg> only 3 fixes
[23:40] <asac> There's also a fix for a NTLM regression introduced by a
[23:40] <asac> security fix in the current versions.
[23:40] <asac> Firefox 3.5.7 also contains a stability fix for a common crash.
[23:40] <micahg> asac: on windows
[23:40] <asac> micahg: thats quicksearch
[23:40] <asac> how is that searched for real?
[23:40] <asac> jdstrand: so yeah NTLM and stability common crash
[23:40] <jdstrand> easy enough
[23:40] <jdstrand> thanks
[23:41] <fta> asac, redoing a tarball, then a build. i'm concerned by courgette, many gyp deps
[23:43] <micahg> this is the link they posted on their site for all changes: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.1%3A.7-fixed
[23:44] <micahg> asac: most of the fixes got pushed off to .8


[00:13] <openstackgerrit> Joshua Harlow proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add importlib for python 2.6 *only*  https://review.openstack.org/197691
[00:39] <harlowja> ok seems good to go ^ smoser ^
[00:39] <harlowja> all fixed up
[12:17] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, do you have some time today that we could look at the reporting stuff ? i'd like to make some progress on that.
[12:17] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Potentially; looking at relatively important partner stuff at the moment.
[12:21] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, how do i make jenkins re-test something ?
[12:25] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Pushing up a new patchset should do it automatically.
[12:25] <smoser> yeah, but i think theres a way to say "re-run".
[12:25] <smoser> ohwell.
[12:25] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja will probably know, when he wakes up in 3 days or so. :p
[12:26] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Why do you need to rerun without any changes?
[12:26] <smoser> i wasnt sure how the py26 stuff was fixed. thought it was actually not related.
[12:35] <openstackgerrit> Scott Moser proposed stackforge/cloud-init: pip2distro: work in progress: build tox env for specific targets  https://review.openstack.org/197671
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Ah, good point about using setup in timeit.
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> OTOH, we _aren't_ using the regex more than a handful of times, so I think my examples were more valid than they appeared.
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> But it was a minor point; I don't particularly mind which we do. :)
[13:59] <smoser> harlowja, please ping when you wake up.
[13:59] <smoser> really want to resolve the py26 stuff today.
[14:00] <smoser> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197691/
[14:01] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, i have no objection to using unittest2
[14:01] <smoser> i dont fully understand:
[14:01] <smoser> This would mean we couldn't use testtools' TestCase class, but we would still be able to use their matchers in our assertions, if we so wished (http://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/for-test-authors.html#assert-that-function).
[14:02] <smoser> claudiupopa, do you have any objection to unittest2 ?
[14:02] <claudiupopa> does it have assertRaises as a context manager? ;-)
[14:02] <claudiupopa> No, no objection.
[14:05] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So we're using testtools.TestCase, which inherits directly from unittest.TestCase.
[14:05] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: It is therefore incompatible with using unittest2.TestCase as our root test case.
[14:05] <smoser> ah. ok.
[14:05] <claudiupopa> Why are we using testtools? What benefits does it bring us?
[14:06] <Odd_Bloke> ^ I'm curious about this as well.
[14:06] <Odd_Bloke> (I think testtools has useful stuff, I just don't think we're using any of it ATM :p)
[14:07] <smoser> i have no attachment to it
[14:07] <smoser> it blames to
[14:07] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11810295/
[14:08] <smoser> is setUp and tearDown stuff it provides ?
[14:09] <smoser> guess not
[14:10] <claudiupopa> Nope, that's in unittest as well.
[14:33] <smoser> ok, we really need to resolve this today, as all tests fail on on the py26 gate right now.
[14:54] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, did you see my comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170257/4/cloudinit/templater.py  ?
[14:54] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Re: timeit?
[14:54] <smoser> yeah.
[14:54] <smoser> am i wrong ?
[14:55] <smoser> there definitely *is* a pentalty for compiling, but it does make up for itself.
[14:55] <smoser> (assuming it gets used)
[14:55] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: If you use the regex a lot, yeah.
[14:55] <Odd_Bloke> So the truth is somewhere between our two benchmarks.
[14:55] <Odd_Bloke> :p
[14:56] <Odd_Bloke> Mine tests the worst case (we use it zero or one times).
[14:56] <Odd_Bloke> Yours tests the best case (we use it 1000s of times).
[14:56] <smoser> well, but yours has so much noise
[14:56] <smoser> re.compile() seems to take about as much time as 'import re'
[14:57] <Odd_Bloke> The actual truth: we've spent more time discussing/thinking about this than is likely to be saved by selecting the correct option across all instances forever. ;)
[14:57] <smoser> correct
[14:58] <smoser> now lets get thsi stupid py26 stuff settled.
[14:58]  * smoser waits for harlowja
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> That guy.
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> Does he ever wake up.
[15:24] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: What does testtools actually get us over unittest2?
[15:24] <Odd_Bloke> (Except for ugly exception testing :p)
[15:26] <harlowja_at_home> fixtures integration, having to figure out what to do about py3 (unittest2 only works on py2.x), so we'd end up making a mini testtools anyway, testtools also heavily used throughout openstack so its common ground.... the author is helpful and involved in openstack to
[15:26] <harlowja_at_home> same author owns unittest2 :-P
[15:27] <harlowja_at_home> a bunch of other matchers, https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/tree/master/testtools/matchers
[15:27] <harlowja_at_home> integration with https://github.com/testing-cabal/fixtures
[15:27] <harlowja_at_home> ...
[15:28] <harlowja_at_home> so thats my 2 cents
[15:29] <harlowja_at_home> testtols is using unittest2 anyway and its providing the py2/py3 compat
[15:30] <harlowja_at_home> need me to ask the author to jump in here (he's in new zealand) so he's probably not awake yet
[15:30] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_at_home: lifeless?
[15:30] <harlowja_at_home> yes
[15:30] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_at_home: So you can use the matchers outside of the TestCase.
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> (I know this because I wrote the function that supports doing it ;)
[15:31] <harlowja_at_home> ok
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> I thought unittest2 worked on 2 and 3.
[15:31] <harlowja_at_home> https://hg.python.org/unittest2/file/d091f0086b03/setup.py#l40
[15:32] <harlowja_at_home> so seems not
[15:32] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_at_home: The description at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/unittest2 says "It is tested to run on Python 2.6, 2.7, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 and pypy."
[15:32] <Odd_Bloke> *shrugs*
[15:33] <Odd_Bloke> SHURG
[15:33] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[15:34] <harlowja_at_home> guess the classifiers haven't been updated
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja_at_home: Maybe because it doesn't make sense to use for later versions?
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> (Or maybe just olde)
[15:36] <harlowja_at_home> probably
[15:38]  * harlowja_at_home shrugs
[15:38] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[16:17] <harlowja_at_home> anyways, will be off most of today, for some reason they gave us 2nd & 3rd off
[16:25] <smoser> dagummit.
[16:25] <smoser> harlowja_at_home, want to get through this  py2.6 thing
[16:25] <smoser> i dont have strong feelings on fixtures/unittest2/testtools
[16:25] <smoser> but do have strong feelings on jenkins gate job failing :)
[16:25] <smoser> and also my feeling is that less dependencies is better.
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> smoser, ya, only feeling i have is that this is what the rest of openstack uses, it has some nice helpers, losing a context manager, meh
[16:26] <smoser> also, harlowja_at_home right now onyour branch, if i 'tox -e py27' it doesn't work.
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> its a test-time-dependency
[16:26] <smoser> complains of the importlib;python_ver==2.6
[16:26] <smoser> or whatever that is.
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> yup, upgrade pip
[16:26] <smoser> :-(
[16:26] <smoser> upgrade pip is not too easy though.
[16:27] <harlowja_at_home> ya, not much i can do about that one, this change for all these in pbr is forcing this throughout all of openstack
[16:27] <smoser> but i just remembered system i'm running it on is 14.04 where usually i do wily
[16:27] <harlowja_at_home> for better or worse
[16:27] <harlowja_at_home> ya, i've also got my 14.04 vm and now have to uprade pip, sorta blows
[16:27] <smoser> what version do you need ?
[16:28] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip
[16:28] <harlowja_at_home> 6+ i think
[16:28] <smoser> wily is 1.5.6
[16:28] <harlowja_at_home> afaik only pip 6+ understands version markers
[16:29] <harlowja_at_home> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067823.html
[16:29] <harlowja_at_home> and such from robert
[16:30] <harlowja_at_home> i'm pretty sure that these changes are gonna force many distros to have a massive pip upgrade
[16:30] <smoser> are these version numbers the same ? 1.5.6 is in wily, but i need 6?
[16:30] <harlowja_at_home> 6.0+
[16:30] <harlowja_at_home> they did a huge version number bump, from 1.5 -> 6.0
[16:31] <harlowja_at_home> now its 7.0 i think, lol
[16:31] <harlowja_at_home> * https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip (7.1)
[16:31] <smoser> ok.
[16:31] <smoser> so i'd kind of like to avoid this.
[16:31] <smoser> the only thing we're needing it for is python2.6 needing importlib
[16:31] <smoser> (at least at this point)
[16:31] <smoser> right ?
[16:32] <harlowja_at_home> ya
[16:32] <smoser> in our tox environment we can easily enough just use a different py26 requirements environment then everything else.
[16:32] <harlowja_at_home> that is possible to
[16:32] <smoser> i think i like that better at the moment.
[16:33] <smoser> than making people (including me) install pip from outside of distro
[16:33] <smoser> it'd be more acceptable if at least wily had a suitable pip
[16:33] <harlowja_at_home> ya, i'm pretty sure now that openstack is using those markers, alot of people are gonna have to upgrade
[16:34] <harlowja_at_home> *for better or worse*
[16:35] <smoser> ok. so my take out of the above is
[16:35] <smoser> a.) use testtools unless Odd_Bloke cries
[16:35] <smoser> b.) remove requirement of newer pip as smoser is a luddite
[16:36] <harlowja_at_home> :-P
[16:36] <smoser> if you're on holiday i can try to do that.
[16:36] <harlowja_at_home> i get it done, but probably heading out soonish
[16:36] <smoser> i just need some sane path to running this on ubuntu, and "download pip from the intertubes" isn't really sane
[16:36] <harlowja_at_home> time to get an upgrade :-P
[16:36] <smoser> harlowja_at_home, you are allowed to not do this today :) its ok for you to celebrate your countries independence from the queen
[16:37] <smoser> country's even.
[16:37] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[16:37] <smoser> (if you only have the one)
[16:37] <harlowja_at_home> obama the queen
[16:37] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: FWIW, using a virtualenv on Ubuntu solves the pip problem.
[16:37] <harlowja_at_home> ya, its still a pita though :-P
[16:38] <harlowja_at_home> create virtualenv, enter virtualenv, install newer pip
[16:38] <smoser> using virutalenv to run tox which runs creates a virtualenv
[16:38] <smoser> i really like the simplicity of 'tox'
[16:41] <openstackgerrit> Joshua Harlow proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add importlib for python 2.6 *only*  https://review.openstack.org/197691
[16:41] <harlowja_at_home> ok let's see what happens
[16:46] <smoser> what'd you do ?
[16:46] <smoser> you took importlib out ?
[16:47] <smoser> oh. isee.
[16:47] <smoser> but the py26-gate thing wont figure that out, will it ?
[16:51] <smoser> seems to have figured it out;
[16:51] <smoser>  https://jenkins02.openstack.org/job/gate-cloud-init-python26/1/
[17:04] <smoser> i have a feeling that we should have a template engine that uses python formatting.
[17:05] <smoser> as probably immediately more powerful and better documented than 'builtin'
[17:05] <smoser> and no dependencies
[17:06] <smoser> but it might not be sufficent for how we want to expose objects to templating.
[17:10] <Odd_Bloke> The new formatting syntax is pretty comprehensive.
[17:10] <harlowja_at_home> cloud-init-formatter-v1000
[17:10] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[17:10] <Odd_Bloke> Though we should investigate if you can do anything untoward using it. :p
[17:11] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, i dont think i can access object.property
[17:11] <smoser> can i ?
[17:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser:
[17:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Sure.
[17:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811141/
[17:12] <smoser> awesome.
[17:12]  * harlowja_at_home pretty sure i made that possible :-P
[17:12] <smoser> ok. so yeah, i like this.
[17:12] <smoser> harlowja_at_home, you did. you rock.
[17:12] <harlowja_at_home> oh, i think thats the built-in python formatting, nothing i did :-P
[17:12] <smoser> right.
[17:13] <smoser> thats what i'm saying we should offer as a templating option
[17:13] <harlowja_at_home> ah
[17:13] <harlowja_at_home> except afaik it only got good on 3.0 +
[17:13] <harlowja_at_home> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/
[17:14] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, Python 2.6 might be screwed.
[17:14] <harlowja_at_home> and 2.7?
[17:14] <Odd_Bloke> That example is on 2.7.
[17:14] <harlowja_at_home> k
[17:14] <harlowja_at_home> guess they must of backported some of it
[17:15] <harlowja_at_home> or something
[17:15] <Odd_Bloke> Just tested it, and the above works on 2.6.
[17:16] <harlowja_at_home> cool, up to u guys
[17:22] <smoser> i think makes sense to add it
[17:22] <smoser> and will just fail on py2.6 .
[17:22] <smoser> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197691/5/cloudinit/sources/openstack/httpopenstack.py
[17:22] <smoser> as seen there, you had to make that change as the .format didnt' work on py26 right?
[17:23] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197691/
[17:23] <smoser> it is sane to me.
[17:26] <smoser> the one thing ihave left is that we added the py26 environment, which means 'tox' will fail now on any recent ubuntu. where as previously it would pass ( as we didn't need py26)
[17:29] <harlowja_at_home> u running all the tox envs?
[17:29] <harlowja_at_home> for fun
[17:32] <smoser> well, i want to run 27 and 34 for sure by default
[17:51] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Add importlib for python 2.6 *only*  https://review.openstack.org/197691
[17:52] <openstackgerrit> Joshua Harlow proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Bring over the 'templater' from bzr  https://review.openstack.org/170257
[17:53] <openstackgerrit> Joshua Harlow proposed stackforge/cloud-init: pip2distro: work in progress: build tox env for specific targets  https://review.openstack.org/197671
[17:53] <openstackgerrit> Joshua Harlow proposed stackforge/cloud-init: tools/tox-venv: support running other than ./tools/tox-venv  https://review.openstack.org/195631
[17:54] <openstackgerrit> Joshua Harlow proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Expose api response properties and cache buffer decoding  https://review.openstack.org/195800
[17:54] <smoser> why does tox docs not work
[17:54] <smoser> :-(
[17:55] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811416/
[17:57] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslotest/+bug/1379998
[17:59] <harlowja_at_home> no idea, jump on #openstack-oslo ask pbr folks?
[18:03] <smoser> harlowja_at_home, well. this fixes it.
[18:03] <smoser> but i dont know how that bug reports fixed in oslotest
[18:04] <harlowja_at_home> ya, not sure
[18:04] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811486/
[18:04] <smoser> that fixes it.
[18:04] <smoser> but will break again when 1.3b4 is released unless its fixed there.
[18:04] <harlowja_at_home> ya
[18:05] <harlowja_at_home> ok, i'm off
[18:05] <harlowja_at_home> will be on maybe at night or something, ha
[18:06] <smoser> ok.
[18:09] <openstackgerrit> Scott Moser proposed stackforge/cloud-init: fix 'tox -e docs' by limiting sphinx versions  https://review.openstack.org/198080
[18:13] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Bring over the 'templater' from bzr  https://review.openstack.org/170257
[18:14] <smoser> if someone else could check my work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198080/
[18:14] <smoser> i'd appreciate it. Odd_Bloke claudiupopa ^
[18:16] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Bring over the 'safeyaml' from bzr  https://review.openstack.org/170252
[18:16] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: tools/tox-venv: support running other than ./tools/tox-venv  https://review.openstack.org/195631
[21:18] <openstackgerrit> Scott Moser proposed stackforge/cloud-init: fix 'tox -e docs' by limiting sphinx versions  https://review.openstack.org/198080
[21:37] <openstackgerrit> Scott Moser proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Expose api response properties and cache buffer decoding  https://review.openstack.org/195800
[21:38] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: fix 'tox -e docs' by limiting sphinx versions  https://review.openstack.org/198080
[21:42] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Expose api response properties and cache buffer decoding  https://review.openstack.org/195800
[21:44] <smoser> why can't anything be easy.
[21:44] <smoser> attempt at running http://paste.ubuntu.com/11812524/ on vivid
[21:44] <smoser> results in http://paste.ubuntu.com/11812519/
[21:45] <smoser> and, oh joy. py34-coverage and py27-coverage now fail.
[21:45] <smoser> fail as in we dont have 90% coverage.
[21:45] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ^ claudiupopa ^ feel free to fix that. :)