[09:59] <Hobbsee> although planetpenguin-racer is better - it's in dapper
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[09:59] <nixternal`2go> really...
[10:00] <nixternal`2go> i am not even gonna try to game on this laptop
[10:00] <imbrandon> lol
[10:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: more levels, etc
[10:00] <Crystufer> And I've never gotten it to work right. likely just because I haven't used my seperate windows installation yet.
[10:00] <nixternal`2go> i had kubuntu breezy on here and it was so slow...so i put on xubuntu...now i have on dapper...and by far dapper has been the quickest
[10:00] <nixternal`2go> and it orinoco'd my wireless instead of horrible ndiswrapper
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> yay orinoco...on a prismII card that i hacked so it would rfmon correctly
[10:01] <Crystufer> bash.exe!ahahahahahaha
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> hahah cygwin goody
[10:01] <Crystufer> what is xubuntu anyways?
[10:01] <imbrandon> xfce4 desktop
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> xfce
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> ya
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> pwn3d
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> and i love nubuntu too
[10:02] <Crystufer> it would be sweet to "right click>open bash term here"
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> that is a fluxbox version for security testing
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> If you want cgwin for anything useful you should install the commandline stuff from the server resource kit (with pstat and ntkill you can manage stuff without needing vnc)
[10:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: breezy kde was slow anyway
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> ya..i noticed
[10:03] <imbrandon> *cough* not supported by conocial *cough*
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> prior to kde i used gnome in the middle 90's
[10:03] <imbrandon> nubuntu that it
[10:03] <Crystufer> huh?
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> i have been on cde since the 80's
[10:03] <Crystufer> hahahaha!
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> now i am trying out jde on solaris 10 and it is horrible
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> a java version of gnome
[10:04] <Crystufer> Administrator@basement ~
[10:04] <imbrandon> lol
[10:04] <nixternal`2go> haha
[10:04] <nixternal`2go> Sysinfo for '3lockbox': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Celeron(Coppermine) at 696 MHz (1393 bogomips), , RAM: 183/186MB, 86 proc's, 1.11h up
[10:04] <nixternal`2go> whoa...actually this sytem is faster then i thought...i thought it was a 400
[10:05] <imbrandon> my fileserver is a 333 celeron with dapper ;)
[10:05] <nixternal`2go> mine isn't much more than that
[10:05] <nixternal`2go> i think it is a 466 cellery
[10:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: ouch.
[10:05] <Crystufer> hey, imbrandon. What am i supposed to do to download all this stuff exactly?
[10:05] <imbrandon> heh read up on apt-mirror
[10:06] <imbrandon> took me a few days to get it right, and i'm used to that kinda thing ;)
[10:06] <Crystufer> crap
[10:06] <nixternal`2go> my main server is debian sarge on a dl360 dual xenon love
[10:06] <imbrandon> CyberSix: but i'll give ya a hint
[10:06] <EvilIdler> Don't let the apt-mirror manpage confuse you by reading it; just find a howto
[10:06] <imbrandon> i have a sample mirrors.list on my webserver you can use
[10:07] <imbrandon> CyberSix: http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/mirrors.list  <---- that will save you lots of time configing it
[10:07] <imbrandon> i'm sorry its : http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/mirror.list
[10:07] <Crystufer> You know you're talking to CyberSix instead of Crystufer , right?
[10:08] <imbrandon> once you install apt-mirror, put that in /etc/apt/
[10:08] <Crystufer> Tab completion is a dangerous mistress.
[10:08] <imbrandon> lol
[10:08] <nixternal`2go> haha
[10:08] <Crystufer> apt-get command not found.
[10:08] <Crystufer> ouch.
[10:08] <nixternal`2go> lol
[10:09] <imbrandon> yea cygwin is not ubuntu ;)
[10:09] <Crystufer> I like ubuntu though.
[10:09] <imbrandon> just got get apt-mirror.sf.net
[10:09] <nixternal`2go> i was gonna say...i don't remember debian commands in cygwin
[10:09] <imbrandon> use that mirror.list and change the base path and comment out what you dont want to mirrir
[10:10] <imbrandon> then run apt-mirror, and wait for 11 gigs + to download
[10:10] <Crystufer> crud.
[10:10] <imbrandon> heh i dident say it was easy i said it could be done ;)
[10:10] <Crystufer> fair enough.
[10:10] <imbrandon> THEN you have to setup a webserver to point to that mirror for the other installs to use it
[10:11] <imbrandon> as an apt-source
[10:11] <Crystufer> I'm not interested in actually mirroring I'm afraid.
[10:11] <Crystufer> I actually want to burn it all to cd then transfer it to my linux hd.
[10:11] <r0xz> how are the live-cd's coming? as install or live-cd?
[10:12] <imbrandon> ahh then you will have to homebrew up something
[10:12] <Crystufer> or better yet, ipod and sneaker-net
[10:12] <r0xz> ok i am just out off bed :(
[10:12] <EvilIdler> You shouldn't start brewing until you know the taste
[10:12] <r0xz> *how are the cd's coming? as install or live-cd?
[10:12] <Crystufer> Man, all I want is to get a shit load of debs.
[10:12] <imbrandon> r0xz: both
[10:12] <EvilIdler> r0xz: Yes
[10:13] <Crystufer> Hey, EvilIdler .
[10:13] <EvilIdler> At least the DVDs will do both, so they're recommended
[10:13] <imbrandon> Crystufer: the problem with that is ubuntu uses 17000+ debs ;)
[10:13] <Crystufer> yeah. pin.
[10:13] <Crystufer> pain*
[10:14] <imbrandon> soooooo basicly its grab what you need one by one or run a local mirror
[10:14] <Crystufer> Yep.
[10:14] <Crystufer> harshness.
[10:14] <imbrandon> i choose to run a local mirror ( becosue i give my local lug access to my mirror also )
[10:14] <Crystufer> If my main pc was up, it'd be a no brainer.
[10:14] <Crystufer> what is a lug?
[10:14] <imbrandon> linux users group
[10:14] <Crystufer> Oh.
[10:15] <Crystufer> What locality?
[10:15] <imbrandon> cron updates my mirror ever 30 minutes
[10:15] <imbrandon> kansas city  www.kclug.org
[10:15] <orient2000> There is few files in /themes/kubuntu after installation. I hope it works. I go BOOT now. Thanks.
[10:15] <imbrandon> or #kclug here on freenode ;)
[10:15] <Crystufer> 30 minutes?!
[10:16] <imbrandon> it dosent download the whole mirror , only whats changed ;)
[10:16] <imbrandon> heh
[10:16] <Crystufer> So it's constantly making sure you have the same as what is on the official?
[10:16] <imbrandon> basicly yup
[10:16] <MasterEvilAce> Hey, kubuntu isn't booting. I went to recovery mode and i get an error with "startx" .. it says NVIDIA: failed to load the nvidia kernel module!  Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[10:17] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:17] <MasterEvilAce> Happens after I did an adept update (downloaded updated software)
[10:17] <EvilIdler> Recovery mode = no modules loaded, like the graphics driver
[10:17] <Crystufer> Okay. So how do i find out the requirements for a package?
[10:17] <EvilIdler> modprobe nvidia should get it up
[10:17] <DaveQB11> Does Dapper have an exact release date ??
[10:17] <imbrandon> the first
[10:17] <DaveQB11> woohoo
[10:17] <DaveQB11> something to count down to :)
[10:18] <DaveQB11> thanx imbrandon_
[10:18] <imbrandon> Crystufer: without installing ?
[10:18] <imbrandon> you can read the debain/control file, but i think there is another way , hold on
[10:19] <imbrandon> actualy type man dpkg and it should tell you or man dpkg-deb
[10:19] <Hobbsee> DaveQB11: june 1
[10:19] <Crystufer> Nope, winpc.
[10:20] <linyll> good morning, i wrote my CV with Kword and i wish know if i can make a pdf from kword ?
[10:20] <imbrandon> ouch hmmm not realy sure if there is a sane way then ( other than ripping the deb apart and reding the debain/control OR looking on the package wiki )
[10:20] <DaveQB11> thanx Hobbsee :) I am loking forward
[10:20] <DaveQB11> linyll:  File > Export > PDF ???
[10:20] <Crystufer> kde is definitely pretty though.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what are they looking to do?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> oh
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Crystufer: apt-cache show packagename.
[10:21] <imbrandon> find the packages a deb depends on ( in windows )
[10:21] <linyll> DaveQB11: i do not have this... is there a .deb ?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> oh...in windows...
[10:21] <imbrandon> yea , heh
[10:21] <DaveQB11> linyll:  Kword ?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: search pacakges.ubuntu.com for the package.
[10:21] <Crystufer> grr.
[10:21] <imbrandon> Crystufer: yea what Hobbsee said
[10:22] <Crystufer> really?
[10:22] <linyll> yes for kword
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Crystufer: yeah.  what did you need it for?
[10:22] <orient2000> Thank you for helping me. No more errors except some f arabic letters. I'll have to look at language setup.
[10:22] <Crystufer> just a bunch of stuff for my new kde com.
[10:22] <MasterEvilAce> Ok, I did xorg configure, however no change. The actual NVIDIA module isn't there, for some reason. Anyway I can get that using apt-get in recovery mode?
[10:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: getting updated debs for a non net connected laptop from windows
[10:23] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:23] <Hobbsee> why not connected to the net?
[10:23] <imbrandon> brb , smoke break time
[10:23] <imbrandon> dunno dident get that far
[10:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:23] <Crystufer> I need flash for konquerer as well as java and xchat and mad and lame.
[10:23] <imbrandon> Crystufer: you need all that without the net connected ?
[10:24] <Crystufer> Yeah.
[10:24] <Crystufer> All kinds of stuff.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> if that's possible, of course
[10:24] <Crystufer> yeah. me too.
[10:24] <imbrandon> ummm how are you gonna chat with no net ?
[10:24] <imbrandon> just curious
[10:24] <imbrandon> not tryinmg to make you fell ummm discouraged
[10:25] <imbrandon> anyhow brb smoke time
[10:25] <Crystufer> Okay. So here's the deal. My bro got a new top. He wants everything installed on it, but doesn't want it connected to the net and can't explain in actual words why not.
[10:25] <Crystufer> I think he has his head up his butt.
[10:25] <imbrandon> ahhh bsicly tell him that he cant have everything installed ( within reason ) without the net ;)
[10:25] <Crystufer> But I'm respecting his wishes because he's my bro.
[10:26] <Crystufer> i'm gonna try first.
[10:26] <Crystufer> if I can get just the codecs it'll be enough for me.
[10:27] <DaveQB11> Crystufer: odd, why net not allowed ? He would never know if it was or not, besides apt-get being configured ;-)
[10:27] <Crystufer> :)
[10:27] <Crystufer> True, but I would know.
[10:27] <imbrandon> codecs will be fun becouse like flash they are not all in the ubuntu repos
[10:27] <Crystufer> yay.
[10:27] <Crystufer> So I gotta search the universe and multiverse too.
[10:27] <imbrandon> no not even in universe and multi
[10:27] <Crystufer> crap.
[10:27] <imbrandon> IE not in the ubuntu repos
[10:28] <Crystufer> I know I saw mad in there somewhere.
[10:28] <imbrandon> they are restriced
[10:28] <DaveQB11> Crystufer: yes true, not saying it a "so go ahead and jump on the net" i am more saying it "why doesnt he want it on the net ? He wont know either way, wont make a diff either way"
[10:28] <imbrandon> !restrictedformats
[10:28] <ubotu> from memory, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:29] <imbrandon> ^^ flash mp3's etc etc etc
[10:29] <Crystufer> Ya know what? forget it all together. I'm gonna just see if I can teach him to use ogg's.
[10:30] <Crystufer> And that kind of thing.
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <Crystufer> I still need wine though.
[10:30] <Crystufer> I don't even need to get that from ubuntu though, right?
[10:31] <DaveQB11> YAY for ogg and free software! :)
[10:31] <MasterEvilAce> what
[10:31] <MasterEvilAce> s's command to SEARCH apt-get database for nvidia?
[10:31] <Crystufer> I can get wine from the wine repos, right?
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, that would make sense
[10:34] <imbrandon> apt-cache search nvidia
[10:34] <Crystufer> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/otherosfs/wine
[10:34] <DaveQB11> Crystufer:  wine's website has ubuntu .deb's for Breezy
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Crystufer: make sure you get all the deps that you need - it's very difficult to do an install without the net, if you want extra programs
[10:35] <Crystufer> I just want the wine for now. i'll work on everything else later.
[10:36] <Crystufer> I should just install kubuntu on a different pc and apt-get -d all the things i want and then burn them to disc.
[10:36] <imbrandon> *cough* live cd *cough*
[10:37] <Crystufer> You're a smart man, imbrandon.
[10:37] <Crystufer> A very very very smart man.
[10:37] <Crystufer> Or woman.
[10:37] <imbrandon> man ;)
[10:37] <imbrandon> lol
[10:37] <Crystufer> i figured.
[10:37] <Crystufer> "Brandon"
[10:39] <visik7> I've an old install on lvm of ubuntu in a usb disk (that before was attacched to an ide channel, how can I mount it to retrive files inside the lvm partition ?
[10:40] <MasterEvilAce> very weird, but got it fixed
[10:40] <MasterEvilAce> cool stuff
[10:41] <MasterEvilAce> need to work on getting kubuntu to start/shutdown faster though
[10:41] <Crystufer> Hey, how can I make it so that when I put in my ipod, konquerer opens to media:/ipod instead of media:/sda1?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: see the howto at ubuntuforums.org on how to speed up your system
[10:43] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: Danke
[10:47] <MasterEvilAce> anyone know if nvtv works on Dell Inspiron Laptops? (nvidia geforce2 GO).. i want tv-out to work, but i'm not sure if that would work (or even if it's built into my gfx card)
[10:48] <Crystufer> okay, i got a deb. I thought I knew what to do with it. But I was wrong.
[10:48] <Crystufer> What's the konsole command to get my program installed?
[10:51] <Crystufer> nevermind dpkg -i (package) yeah?
[10:51] <Crystufer> sudo dpkg -i wine.deb
[10:58] <nixternal`2go> time for sleep
[10:58] <nixternal`2go> good night all...see ya in a few hours
[11:11] <Crystufer> Anyone still around?
[11:11] <tsume> no :)
[11:12] <Crystufer> Is it possible to make adept check one of my folders for .debs as a repository?
[11:13] <Crystufer> So that when I am using adept i can see the debs I donwloaded by hand and stored?
[11:14] <CutieCoder> ...
[11:14] <Crystufer> I'll take that as a no.
[11:15] <Crystufer> But hello, cutie.
[11:15] <PyroMithrandir> I bet you could, actually
[11:15] <PyroMithrandir> I don't know exactly how, but if you can make it read .debs from a cdrom (the install CD) then it's probably not too different to do it from a folder
[11:16] <Crystufer> That's what i thought.
[11:16] <Crystufer> But it says cdrom:fjksalkfjdskj\
[11:17] <PyroMithrandir> look at the /etc/apt/sources.list and then see if you can find some documentation on how and why it is set up like that
[11:17] <Crystufer> So would i go with file:
[11:17] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, that's my though
[11:17] <PyroMithrandir> but I don't know what you'd do with the "main restricted" part
[11:18] <Crystufer> meh.
[11:18] <PyroMithrandir> Crystufer, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
[11:18] <PyroMithrandir> the second section there is exactly what you want
[11:18] <PyroMithrandir> :)
[11:22] <Crystufer> I got a crash. That's promising.
[11:23] <Crystufer> okay crud. how do i edit apt-sources by hand?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Crystufer:
[11:24] <Crystufer> nm
[11:24] <Crystufer> I see it.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ah, okay
[11:28] <Crystufer> okay, so what's this bit about /dev/null?
[11:29] <Crystufer> use /dev/null when calling dpkg-scanpackages?
[11:31] <Crystufer> blast!
[11:33] <Skrot> Any skype-users around?
[11:33] <Crystufer> Not I.
[11:38] <MasterEvilAce> for services that start in ubuntu... what does rmnologin and screen services do?
[11:38] <m0ns00n> Why aren't there more plugins written for Mozilla?
[11:39] <m0ns00n> The plugin dev package etc is fully available to anyone, but there aren't many plugins like flash and mozplug out there
[11:39] <m0ns00n> Is it cumbersome to develop?
[11:41] <Crystufer> ?
[12:13] <Den> Hi - I want to make an mp3 file(s) from a cd.  I found kaudiocreator - but there is no options for mp3 encoding available.  Do I need to add something to my repositories to gain mp3 encoding ability?  Is there a better program to use for this than kaudiocreator.  FWIW, the cd is a language learning cd - basically all voice.
[12:14] <Skrot> Den: Try k3b :)
[12:15] <Den> Skrot: er, I want to take audio off the cd into (preferably) mp3 format
[12:15] <Skrot> yupp
[12:15] <Skrot> k3b will do that for you :)
[12:15] <Den> Skrot: I've used k3b, but that's just for burning cd's right
[12:15] <Den> ?
[12:15] <Skrot> nope, it can rip as well :)
[12:15] <Skrot> Even hooks you up with CDDB and tags your files
[12:17] <Den> thx
[12:17] <Skrot> np :)
[12:18] <Bilford> whats the main image viewer in Kubuntu
[12:18] <Skrot> Bilford: Dunno if there's a standard viewer, but I find gwenview to be good :)
[12:19] <Den> Skrot: Are you sure?? There is nothing in the help, or menus that I can see, for reading audio off cd & writing .mp3 files - wehre do I look for that function?
[12:19] <Skrot> Den: Insert the audioCD, open it from k3b on the left treeview thingy
[12:19] <Skrot> Then there should be a button for ripping the CD in the top right window
[12:19] <Den> thx
[12:20] <Skrot> They should make it easier to find indeed, it's a nice feature :)
[12:21] <Den> Skrot: do you know if kaudiocreator will do this also?
[12:21] <Skrot> Never used it :)
[12:21] <Den> thx
[12:23] <kosh> wow you guys sure do stuff the hard way
[12:23] <kosh> just use audiocd:/  and drag the mp3 files off the disk
[12:24] <kosh> it will encode, do cddb etc
[12:24] <kosh> it is a built in part of kde
[12:24] <Skrot> kosh: But k3b gives more options for ripping :)
[12:24] <kosh> I always rip with the same options
[12:24] <kosh> ogg max quality
[12:25] <EvilIdler> Some people don't always use the same options
[12:25] <Skrot> mp3 vbr >=192 to 320, does the kio-slave have such a option?
[12:25] <kosh> yes
[12:26] <Skrot> I've never used it, to be frank :)
[12:26] <kosh> most of my oggs are about 400-500kbps
[12:27] <Bilford> I convert rm files to wav using   mplayer file.rm -ao pcm:file=file.wav  .  Is there an easier drag and drop way like  audiocd:
[12:27] <EvilIdler> At that rate, FLAC is probably a better choice :)
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> EW
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> flac.
[12:28] <kosh> flac was not an option when I was first doing that, I could reencode stuff though
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> nasty
[12:28] <kosh> what is wrong with flac?
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> they're ginormous
[12:28] <EvilIdler> FLAC is non-lossy and opensource. What do you expect?
[12:28] <Den> kosh: I want to convert a cd with language instruction to mp3  - audiocd will only drag .mp3's off a cd that already has .mp3 files, yes?
[12:29] <Skrot> Den: No. The mp3s are "virtual".. when you drag them, the audio is converted to mp3-files
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> if i wanted lossless, i'd go for WAV lol
[12:29] <kosh> Den: no, the audiocd:/ ioslave is a virtual view of the cdrom, it shows all the audio tracks as mp3, ogg, wav etc files that you can drop off and it will encode them then
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> everything can play WAV's
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> why use FLAC in that case
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Well, everything can use FLAC on a computer
[12:29] <kosh> all my stuff would play flac
[12:29] <EvilIdler> iAudio portable players can play FLAC
[12:29] <Bilford> why is mp3 more popular than ogg
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Age
[12:29] <kosh> it was out first
[12:29] <Bilford> ogg is old
[12:29] <kosh> mp3 is older
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Ogg is newborn compared to MP3 :)
[12:30] <Skrot> Besides, MP3 was hyped by the media like crazy
[12:30] <Crystufer> Hey. Don't you people ever sleep?
[12:30] <Bilford> hasnt ogg been out since the 1900s
[12:30] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: I guess some humans do.
[12:30] <Skrot> Everyone has heard of Mp3 :)
[12:30] <Crystufer> That's at least 100 years ago!
[12:30] <kosh> 500kbps is probably not much smaller then a flac file
[12:30] <Den> Skrot: or kosh so, use "audiocd:/" with what: konquewror?
[12:30] <Skrot> Den: yupp
[12:30] <kosh> Den: yup
[12:30] <Den> thx
[12:30] <MasterEvilAce> ogg won't replace mp3 becase mp3 is too popular
[12:30] <kosh> once you have it setup how you want you just pop in a cd, drag the files off and be done with it
[12:30] <MasterEvilAce> it's hard to kill something that's so commonly used
[12:31] <kosh> why does it have to replace mp3?
[12:31] <Crystufer> ogg was born last thursday.
[12:31] <EvilIdler> Especially with so many imperfect ears :P
[12:31] <Skrot> Yeah. Old habits die hard :>
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> what's the point if it doesn't?
[12:31] <kosh> it sounds better and it works great on my computer for encoding my cds
[12:31] <kosh> because without destroying the competition it still works great
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> What's the point of having 5 formats if people will only use one, and are only able to play one "right out of the box"
[12:31] <EvilIdler> Ogg/Vorbis has a friendly license. Most non-Microsoft games use it now.
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[12:32] <Bilford> but what if Linux kills Microsoft
[12:32] <kosh> ogg is playable out of the box on every linux dist, mp3 is not for license reasons
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> I like ogg, too. i'm jsut saying.. it's practically not going to take off for general people-use
[12:32] <dergringo> Is there any software that can sync with google calendar (including write access trough Google API)?
[12:32] <EvilIdler> So it's not exactly a minority anymore. It just has different fields of use where it's more popular.
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> linux can't kill microsoft
[12:32] <Crystufer> My linux can't play mp3's
[12:32] <Lynoure> Bilford: Microsoft is suiciding, more likely =)
[12:32] <Bilford> lol
[12:32] <Skrot> Lynoure: Agreed. They are fighting them self :p
[12:32] <kosh> well considering that linux is a kernel I doubt it is going to kill microsoft
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> more home users use windows than linux. windows plays Mp3 out of the box
[12:32] <EvilIdler> If Linux is going to kill Windows for desktop use, I really, really want it to happen so slowly we can actually teach people to use computers ;)
[12:33] <dergringo> MasterEvilAce: Kubuntu has Office out of the box :)
[12:33] <kosh> honestly if it never kills windows that is still fine with me
[12:33] <Lynoure> It's easy to teach people to use Linux
[12:33] <Bilford> Crystufer, by choice?  or you dont know how
[12:33] <Skrot> Just look at Xbox360. Xbox360 COULD have been a great high-def media center for your living room, but that would not be good for microsoft, since they already have a media center OS to sell =)
[12:33] <EvilIdler> Exactly.
[12:33] <EvilIdler> *I* use it and I'm happy with it.
[12:33] <kosh> I have been using linux for about 10 years now and will continue to
[12:33] <Lynoure> My mother will go from Debian to Ubuntu next month :)
[12:33] <Lynoure> (she is 65 now)
[12:33] <EvilIdler> I also use Windows for games, I have various certs and many years of experience, and I *still* have trouble with it all the time.
[12:33] <Bilford> I'd never switch my parents from Windows
[12:33] <MasterEvilAce> linux is cool.. it could use a few things though to make it easier.. the only reason i don't use it as main OS is because linux can't run windows apps (flawlessly)
[12:33] <Den> Are there any portable audio players readily available that play.ogg?
[12:33] <kosh> microsoft would have to make massive fundamental improvements to windows to make it even possible for me to switch to that for my work
[12:34] <Bilford> no reason to
[12:34] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Alot of programs do work flawlessly and there are alot of native ports
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: but they DO make the 360 tie with the Media Center OS :P
[12:34] <Lynoure> Bilford: For her it was added speed and less hassle with upgrades
[12:34] <XVampireX> :P
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> XVampireX: not the ones i care about though :P
[12:34] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: Indeed. And that's what I hate about them. :)
[12:34] <EvilIdler> I prefer an OS that gives me devtools right out of the install CD.
[12:34] <kosh> I use windows for games and linux for all my work
[12:34] <Crystufer> Bilford, I kinda know how.
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> XVampireX: I don't care if powerpoint works, for example
[12:34] <Skrot> If you buy one product, you'll need ten more to complete it
[12:34] <Lynoure> kosh: Same here.
[12:35] <Bilford> Crystufer,  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:35] <kosh> I have not used any windows productivity software in close to 8 years or so
[12:35] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Okey
[12:35] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: Look at the PS3, it comes with linux. How long would you think it will take before some HTPC-software is ported to it and it becomes a fully powered home theater computer? :)
[12:35] <Den> Skrot: or kosh Are there any portable audio players readily available that play.ogg?
[12:35] <EvilIdler> I use their compiler occasionally. It's still a pain.
[12:35] <kosh> I do server software development mostly with zope and python
[12:35] <kosh> Den: I don't know squat about portable audio players, I don't have them, have not researched them and don't have an intention to get one
[12:35] <Crystufer> Bilford, Now tell me how to do it without the internet.
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: well that hasn't been entirely comfirmed yet. Even if sony says it now, i don't trust jack sony says until it actually gets out
[12:36] <Den> kosh: thx
[12:36] <Bilford> Crystufer, youre on the internet now
[12:36] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: To be frank, I don't either. But if it does ship with linux, it WILL kick ass on that front :)
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> Den: I think a few portable players support it.. but i know a lot don't because ogg requires more cpu power, generally, and that = less battery life
[12:36] <kosh> Skrot: it would be cheaper to get a Wii and a regular entertainment system :)
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: I agree!
[12:37] <dergringo> Is there any software that can sync with google calendar (including write access trough Google API)?
[12:37] <Crystufer> Bilford, This is my windows.
[12:37] <Bilford> does Wii use Linux
[12:37] <XVampireX> When PS3 comes out, all you get it
[12:37] <kosh> I won't
[12:37] <XVampireX> Why?
[12:37] <Skrot> I'll get it if it ships with a open linux ready for brewing :)
[12:37] <Bilford> Wii uses Opera
[12:37] <XVampireX> No money?
[12:37] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Quite a lot of players support Ogg/Vorbis now. Even FLAC is starting to become popular.
[12:37] <MasterEvilAce> Because you already have linux?
[12:37] <XVampireX> Skrot: It will
[12:37] <Den> MasterEvilAce: Is there a .ogg format that is near .mp3 in cpu reqts?
[12:37] <kosh> umm because the games on the Wii interest me a heck of a lot more
[12:37] <Skrot> XVampireX: So they say, but as MasterEvilAce pointed out, I won't belive it before I see it myself :)
[12:38] <XVampireX> Kosh: Yeah, you can always get both
[12:38] <XVampireX> Skrot: There's nothing to believe, it's there
[12:38] <kosh> XVampireX: why waste the money on the PS3 though? what could I possibly gain from it?
[12:38] <Skrot> XVampireX: Have you seen it?
[12:38] <XVampireX> No, but when official sources say it will, then it will.
[12:38] <kosh> XVampireX: my desktop computer is a lot more powerful and the new one will be staggeringly more powerful
[12:38] <EvilIdler> Den: The only Ogg audio format that's commonly in use is Vorbis, and it's a bit heavy for small devices.
[12:39] <XVampireX> PS3 is running a different processor then what you have
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> Den: I dunno? I know OGG compresses better with the same quality as a similar bitrate mp3.. but that compression comes at expense to power consumption.. so, i dunno.
[12:39] <XVampireX> You can't compare
[12:39] <kosh> XVampireX: a PS3 is not any good for anything that I do and it is very hard to optimize for
[12:39] <EvilIdler> The CPU use of Vorbis is not noticable on my computers, but a small device using any ARM really notices it
[12:39] <XVampireX> Huh?
[12:39] <Den> EvilIdler: MasterEvilAce thx
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> I personally hate the PS3, just because Sony is throwing too much at it, in my opinion. Maybe it'll be good, but I would not buy one unlses it had a hell of a lot of EXCLUSIVE games that i want. even then.. it'd need a LOT
[12:40] <EvilIdler> PS2 and PS3 are like consoles from different worlds.
[12:40] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: yeah, portable music players is what i mean
[12:40] <EvilIdler> In fact, I think Sony will be competing with itself.
[12:40] <kosh> XVampireX: I do database development with web app stuff so I want io (disk and memory) and cpu power, what value does a PS3 have to me?
[12:40] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: My guess is that most games will ship for both xbox360 and PS3
[12:40] <XVampireX> What the heck? PS3 is a console
[12:40] <XVampireX> Has nothing to do with computers
[12:41] <kosh> XVampireX: then why are you pressing so hard that it will run linux, if you are using it as a game console who cares what os it runs?
[12:41] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: The best audio players I know of are iAudio. Linux supported, harddrive version available, hacked (opensource) firmware available.
[12:41] <Skrot> There is no such thing as a console any more. This new high-def generation killed the console. It's all about "entertainment system" now :)
[12:41] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: I think so too. It makes sense for DEVs, as they'll make a hell of a lot more money, since both consoles aren't going to be as popular as older consoles were (due to price)
[12:41] <Lynoure> iaudios seem yummy...
[12:41] <Skrot> Agreed. This isn't kubuntu-related :p
[12:41] <kosh> Skrot: the Wii is a real console and the launch titles look amazing
[12:42] <Skrot> kosh: Agreed, but the Wii isn't really "next gen"
[12:43] <MasterEvilAce> kosh: I like the Wii in a sense that it's different, and affordable. However, I'd wait maybe a year to see what happens with it. Nintendo seems into gimmicky stuff, and for example, the DS, seems not entirely worth it.. and that AND the gamecube never really got any KILLER games
[12:43] <klerfayt> tell me why do the same fonts look different in suse? (dpi is same)
[12:44] <kosh> MasterEvilAce: re4, metroid prime 1 and 2, eternal darkness
[12:44] <XVampireX> You need to look in the positive side
[12:45] <klerfayt> I'm more concerned about smaller font sizes - they look less "rounded" or something in kubuntu
[12:45] <XVampireX> with PS3 being powered by Linux, it will help linux gaming
[12:45] <kosh> that one I don't know klerfayt I have not seen those issues
[12:45] <Bilford> how do I add more Applets to my KDE applet menu
[12:45] <XVampireX> But shit, PS3 costs a fortune
[12:45] <Bilford> I mean, how do I add more to choose from
[12:45] <EvilIdler> Not powered by. Optional.
[12:45] <MasterEvilAce> kosh: I have trouble w/ Metroid prime on gamecube. don't like the control scheme at all, really. RE4 demo was cool, I want that. On PS2 it sucked badly though (bad controls)... Eternal darkness i've heard of, but not looked into
[12:45] <eeos> hi there. does anyone know about a linux alternative to skype?
[12:45] <imbrandon> Bilford: right click on the pannel
[12:45] <EvilIdler> You won't launch into a KDE desktop, sadly
[12:45] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: Actually, I think it's powered by linux
[12:45] <imbrandon> eeos: there is a skyupe client for linux
[12:45] <Bilford> I know, I get a list of applets to choose from.  How do I get more
[12:46] <imbrandon> skype
[12:46] <XVampireX> Not like PS2 linux pack
[12:46] <eeos> I have tried the skype client and it is awful
[12:46] <imbrandon> console talk in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[12:46] <EvilIdler> I suspect it's still specialised firmware - their devkits are Linux, though
[12:46] <klerfayt> smaller fonts have "boxy" look in kubuntu
[12:46] <eeos> no video, sound is OSS, version is 1.2
[12:47] <EvilIdler> Skype might be in multiverse or PLF
[12:47] <imbrandon> eeos: unfortunately thats the only version atm
[12:47] <Skrot> I'm using the newest skype, and I'm having toruble with the sound
[12:47] <imbrandon> Evil thats fgrom sktpe themselfs
[12:47] <XVampireX> Skrot: Skype will have problems because it's using OSS
[12:47] <Skrot> sigh
[12:47] <klerfayt> in kubuntu smaller fonts are more readable than in suse
[12:47] <_neo> hi
[12:47] <XVampireX> You can't use other sound programs with it
[12:47] <Bilford> Where can I download more appletss
[12:47] <Skrot> Why would they use OSS?
[12:47] <kosh> who knows
[12:48] <XVampireX> Cause they hate linux
[12:48] <kosh> oss was deprecated before skype even existed
[12:48] <EvilIdler> eeos: You're better off using a real VoIP provider and SIP software
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: 18,000 isnt enough?
[12:48] <imbrandon> oss will work fine ( alsa has a compatibility layer )
[12:48] <XVampireX> They promised ALSA for a while now
[12:48] <_neo> how can i enable the root login on kubunto ?
[12:48] <eeos> what about aother product open source based which supports chat, audio and video? is there anything like that?
[12:48] <_neo> kubuntu*
[12:48] <kosh> however why not just get a good sound card
[12:48] <Bilford> Snake[Sleep] , where do you see 18000
[12:48] <Skrot> I get "problem with sound device" even if /dev/dsp is not locked, or is locked to skype
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: in the repos..
[12:48] <Skrot> And sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't
[12:48] <imbrandon> Bilford: check kde-look.org or google please
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > ubotu: tell Bilford about sources
[12:48] <kosh> you can get rid of just about every possible audio problem in linux with a $30 pci sound card
[12:48] <XVampireX> Yeah, SIP is cool, you can use whatever software you want and call to other people using SIP powered software
[12:48] <eeos> EvilIdler: do hey support video conferencing as well?
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: Go to the sites ubotu just sent you, and get yourself some universe/multiverse repos
[12:49] <XVampireX> But with skype and microsoft and every company with monopoly it's hard to do that stuff, they want you to work how they want you to work.
[12:49] <Bilford> I have both, and Im already at kde-look.org
[12:49] <eeos> do you know of agood SIP provider in UK?
[12:49] <imbrandon> Snake[Sleep] : he is talking aobut pannel applets
[12:49] <EvilIdler> eeos: There's supposedly a few IM clients that have plugins for such weirdness
[12:49] <Snake[Sleep] > imbrandon: OHhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:49] <imbrandon> Bilford: check kde-look.org or google please
[12:49] <eeos> EvilIdler: :-D
[12:49] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: there are more applets in the repos too, if you havnt checked, is there a peticular one your looking for??
[12:49] <Bilford> Im already at kde-look.org
[12:49] <EvilIdler> Personally, I don't think people need to see me first thing in the morning on a conference call.
[12:49] <kosh> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102002
[12:49] <Bilford> Ok, I'll check the repos
[12:50] <_neo> how can i enable root login on kubuntu please
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: apt-cache search applet
[12:50] <Bilford> Snake[Sleep] , no, not any in particular
[12:50] <Bilford> ok ty
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > _neo: you should have to
[12:50] <Skrot> kosh: That will work swell on my 12" laptop :p
[12:50] <EvilIdler> eeos: Dig around Freshmeat for names. GAIM has an experimental video plugin.
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > !sudo
[12:50] <ubotu> methinks sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root.  Aye :)
[12:52] <imbrandon> neo use sudo
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > imbrandon: I know they say I can, I never got it to work tho
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > _neo: you put "sudo" infront of the command and it gives you temp. root rights
[12:52] <MasterEvilAce> klerfayt: ? I'm referring to gnome
[12:52] <_neo> i c
[12:53] <_neo> but no way to make root able to login in ?
[12:53] <EvilIdler> Somebody make a qt-java mod for Azureus, and my desktop will be almost entirely KDE-based :)
[12:53] <imbrandon> check this link neo
[12:53] <imbrandon> !sudo
[12:53] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:53] <_neo> okay
[12:53] <eeos> get a look at http://www.ekiga.org/
[12:53] <MasterEvilAce> sudo is awesome
[12:53] <eeos> someone from another room told me
[12:53] <_neo> thanks
[12:53] <Snake[Sleep] > _neo: you shouldnt have to... the root has no password by default, and if you realllyyyy wanna "run as root" use "sude su" (iirc) But thats not exactly supported in this community
[12:54] <Snake[Sleep] > oops
[12:54] <Snake[Sleep] > sudo su**
[12:54] <_neo> i c
[12:54] <_neo> many thanks
[12:55] <Snake[Sleep] > I think its time to sleep (again) :D
[12:55] <_neo> :d
[12:56] <MasterEvilAce> Bah! Why sleep when you just have to wake up later?
[12:56] <Snake[Sleep] > MasterEvilAce: I dunno, I do this like, everyday: I wake up, tech support a few people in here, go back to bed
[12:56] <Snake[Sleep] > I dont know why, it just happens
[12:56] <Snake[Sleep] > lol
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> hehe
[12:57] <Snake[Sleep] > Oh and whoever said konversation, psh irssi
[12:58] <eeos> what about chat, voice and videocnferencing peer to peer, forgetting abot calling normal pstn phones? is there anything of the sort?
[12:58] <Snake[Sleep] > Like skype?
[12:58] <Snake[Sleep] > lol
[12:58] <MasterEvilAce> eeos: they're always hard to find, really
[12:59] <EvilIdler> Videoconferencing is something that gives MCSEs I know trouble standing upright.
[12:59] <MasterEvilAce> I could never find anything that 1) Works good 2) looks good 3) does most / all of those things
[12:59] <eeos> MasterEvilAce: I know. I coud not find anything. hoped someone in the room knew about one.
[12:59] <EvilIdler> Sane people can manage phone and email.
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > !info centerirq
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > !info centerirq dapper
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > wtf?
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > !info centericq dapper
[01:00] <ubotu> centericq: (A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 4.21.0-10 (dapper), Packaged size: 1200 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > ah ha! Good stuff
[01:03] <eeos> what is this centericq, never heard of.
[01:03] <eeos> where can I find information?
[01:10] <MasterEvilAce> I checked WINE's app database, and it doesn't say much but is Fruity Loops (FL Studio) usable in WINE?
[01:12] <elvstone> hello. is there a package for the microsoft fonts (georgia et.c.) in some restricted repo somewhere?
[01:12] <elvstone> anyone know the package name?
[01:13] <EvilIdler> msttcorefonts
[01:13] <MasterEvilAce> yeah there is a windows font repo
[01:13] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, that's it
[01:14] <elvstone> EvilIdler: thanks. what repo is that from? i have universe added but can't find it..
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Try multiverse
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Or "deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free"
[01:15] <elvstone> hm. do i just change 'universe' to 'multiverse' in sources.list? (sorry new to debian).
[01:16] <MasterEvilAce> it's in multiverse
[01:16] <MasterEvilAce> (just checked adept)
[01:16] <EvilIdler> You add, not change
[01:16] <elvstone> ah. i meant add. but everything the same as the universe lines i already have there, except s/universe/multiverse/ ?
[01:16] <EvilIdler> You can have free, non-free, universe and multiverse specified
[01:17] <elvstone> ah.
[01:17] <MasterEvilAce> Random question.. is there defragging in linux?
[01:17] <elvstone> okidok. thx.
[01:17] <EvilIdler> All four keywords after the rest of the deb specification
[01:19] <elvstone> EvilIdler: i see. i have universe and multiverse now. found the msttcorefonts. thanks a lot.
[01:21] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: no
[01:21] <klerfayt> hmm I'm screwed I just better reinstall with kde
[01:21] <klerfayt> oops wrong channel
[01:22] <imbrandon> heh
[01:30] <berkes> anyone familiar with Xorg configurations?
[01:30] <MasterEvilAce> depends
[01:31] <berkes> I tried to get GL working with teh latest ATI driver, but while doing that, I broke my mouse scrollweel :)
[01:31] <berkes> I have no idea how to fix this again.
[01:32] <visik7> does kubuntu has wpa setting panel ?
[01:32] <berkes> I already ran apt-reconfigure a couple of times for xorg, but it did not fix this.
[01:32] <berkes> wpa? visik7
[01:33] <visik7> berkes: yes you know wpa ? the successor of wep ?
[01:33] <berkes> is it not under wireless settings in your kconfig?
[01:33] <visik7> I'm still with breezy and it doesn't
[01:33] <MasterEvilAce> berkes: ah, lol i don't know. I have it installed on a laptop :P
[01:34] <berkes> MasterEvilAce: you mean the X settings?
[01:34] <berkes> they are for your laptop too, and if you plug in a mouse It Just Works ;)
[01:35] <MasterEvilAce> hmm.. you want me to look at my xorg?
[01:36] <berkes> MasterEvilAce: thanks for the offer, but no. I can see the diff with my backup,
[01:36] <imbrandon> berkes: just look for the line in your old one that says zmapping "4 5" or simmilar
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> salright
[01:36] <berkes> but i fail to see why it did work in my old settings and not in my new ones
[01:36] <imbrandon> and put it in the new xorg
[01:36] <imbrandon> berkes: just look for the line in your old one that says zaxismapping "4 5" or simmilar
[01:36] <berkes> imbrandon: okay. zmapping. Thanks
[01:36] <imbrandon> something like that
[01:38] <imbrandon> here it is : Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[01:38] <imbrandon> for your InputDevice thats the mouse
[01:38] <imbrandon> "ConfiguredMouse"
[01:38] <imbrandon> then restart x, your scroll wheel will work
[01:39] <berkes> imbrandon: yea, weird, my original conf just did not have that line at all.
[01:39] <MasterEvilAce> anyone use multiple desktops?? The PAGER seems buggy. I have it set to show desktop wallpaper. it doesn't load the other wallpapers until i activate a desktop, that's okay i suppose, but occasionally the thumbnail clears itself out and doesn't come back. weird. is it just me?
[01:39] <berkes> imbrandon: the new conf has that line you suggest, but it does not work :(
[01:40] <imbrandon> did you restart kdm and x ?
[01:40] <berkes> MasterEvilAce: its normal afaikr
[01:40] <imbrandon> after the change
[01:40] <berkes> imbrandon: several times :)
[01:40] <berkes> ill try removing the lines and restatr now. sec.
[01:40] <imbrandon>  /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:41] <berkes> yea, BBIAS
[01:42] <visik7> is there a live cd of flight 7 ?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> visik7: there should be
[01:44] <imbrandon> berkes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14592
[01:46] <visik7> Hobbsee: I can't find it
[01:46] <Hobbsee> visik7: for kubuntu?
[01:46] <visik7> both
[01:46] <XVampireX> What would you say is the second best (In terms of most used) VoIP application?
[01:47] <XVampireX> second best after skype^
[01:47] <Hobbsee> visik7: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[01:47] <visik7> text mode and desktop pd
[01:47] <visik7> text mode and desktop cd
[01:47] <visik7> which one ?
[01:47] <imbrandon> visik7: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: visik7 wanted flight 7
[01:48] <visik7> what's the differences ?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> visik7: as in, the installer from the live cd?
[01:48] <imbrandon> ahh ok, well thats not flight-7 but thats the latest
[01:48] <Hobbsee> visik7: the daily releases are more updated
[01:48] <visik7> but the installer is the same ?
[01:48] <imbrandon> the live cd installer on flight 7 is broke anyhow
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ah is it?
[01:49] <imbrandon> use the daily image
[01:49] <Hobbsee> visik7: use the daily image then
[01:49] <imbrandon> yes hobsee 3 pkgs need updated for it to work
[01:49] <visik7> but before I need a live to do a backup
[01:49] <imbrandon> visik7: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/    <-- newest live cd
[01:50] <visik7> livecd allow me to install too ?
[01:50] <imbrandon> yes
[01:50] <visik7> cool
[01:50] <assasukasse> hi all
[01:50] <assasukasse> i wish to know if ekiga is available with kubuntu or not?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> visik7: imbrandon: i'm told that today's daily should work
[01:51] <Hobbsee> !info ekiga
[01:51] <Hobbsee> !ekiga
[01:51] <ubotu> somebody said ekiga was full-featured SIP and H.323 compatible VoIP, IP-Telephony and Videoconferencing application that allows you to make audio and video calls to remote users with SIP and H.323 hardware or software.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> !info ekiga dapper
[01:51] <ubotu> ekiga: (Free Your Speech), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-0ubuntu6 (dapper), Packaged size: 3572 kB, Installed size: 12188 kB
[01:51] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: breezy or dapper?
[01:51] <assasukasse> dapper
[01:51] <imbrandon> yup
[01:52] <assasukasse> fl7
[01:52] <assasukasse> do i have to install all the gnome libs???
[01:52] <visik7> does kde has a wpa configuration tool ?
[01:52] <visik7> dapper
[01:52] <imbrandon> knetworkmanager
[01:52] <visik7> imbrandon: ok
[01:52] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: probably, yeah
[01:53] <assasukasse> Hobbsee that's a problem...why is always like that, i've to install mb over mb of gnome that i never use..
[01:53] <Hobbsee> because it's built on the gtk libraries?
[01:53] <assasukasse> well that's a good reason :D
[01:54] <VincentMX> hi
[01:54] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: quite possibly, yes :P
[01:54] <assasukasse> btw is that true that in gnome something is missing or is just my impression?
[01:54] <assasukasse> i installed ubuntu just before and i couldn't find many config stuff..
[01:55] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: gnome configuration is usually in the menus, or just doesnt exist.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hi VincentMX
[01:55] <VincentMX> I'm going to start a small pc company, where i'm going to sell PC's. am i allowed to sell them with Kubuntu Linux installed? since i'm not supposed to use it for commercial purpouseses
[01:55] <berkes> imbrandon: thanks removing that line  did It. I suspected that part to be the part that borked my system, but your confirmation hepled me find and fix it!
[01:56] <VincentMX> I'm going to start a small pc company, where i'm going to sell PC's. am i allowed to sell them with Kubuntu Linux installed? since i'm not supposed to use it for commercial purpouseses
[01:56] <assasukasse> Hobbsee i wanted to know if is possible to show ubuntu applications in gnome only and kubuntu on kde only..i mean i installed kubuntu-desk over ubuntu and got the menues full of things (ubuntu stuff in kubuntu)
[01:56] <VincentMX> Oops
[01:56] <VincentMX> sorry
[01:56] <berkes> VincentMX: off course you are.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> VincentMX: wait around till you get an answer :P
[01:56] <VincentMX> ok
[01:57] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: there may be, i'm not aware of what it is...i doubt it though
[01:57] <berkes> Ive GTG now, but ill ping you in a few mins
[01:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you know?
[01:57] <assasukasse> thanks anyway Hobbsee
[01:57] <berkes> VincentMX: GNU allows you to sell it, as long as you distribute the sources with it.
[01:58] <imbrandon> as long as the source is provided and the computer cost the same with or without kubuntu the i would say yes
[01:58] <berkes> you can even ask <IP_ADDRESS>.000  if you want, GPL allows all that.
[01:58] <Riddell> VincentMX: hi
[01:58] <berkes> nothing keeps you from selling kubuntu/ubuntu, its just that it will **also** be available free of xcharge.
[01:58] <Riddell> VincentMX: yes, please do sell PCs with kubuntu installed
[01:59] <berkes> and on top of that, it is fair to ask money for the service of installing and configuring it, isnt it?
[01:59] <Riddell> VincentMX: you are allowed to use it for commercial purposes, just so long as you give access to the source if someone asks for it
[01:59] <imbrandon> berkes: yes
[02:00] <Riddell> VincentMX: if you use the name kubuntu in your advertising you are also very welcome to do that but you need a trademark licence from canonical, which they'll happily give you at no cost http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[02:02] <Hobbsee> VincentMX: *poke*
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[02:03] <imbrandon> thanks Riddell ;)
[02:03] <imbrandon> * takes note for future qutions like that *
[02:04] <imbrandon> question*
[02:04] <imbrandon> lol
[02:04] <Riddell> I should add it to the FAQ
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that you should
[02:06] <bert> Riddell: Hi, Hows Kubuntu going? will we get updates after 1 june? or are things going Ok foe june1
[02:07] <imbrandon> there always updates ;) *notes there are lots of updates for breezy*
[02:08] <bert> Dapper i am talking about
[02:08] <imbrandon> yes i was using breezy as an example, IE it will be released on june 1 but to think there will be no updates in its life cycle is silly ( 3 years )
[02:11] <bert> I meant in the first week of june, there have been so many updates of the same program, I may as well wait a while for the last update for a while
[02:12] <bert> It's a pain updating a program tonight, then tomorrow night and so on, may as well wait a while
[02:12] <Riddell> bert: looks like june 1st will be good for release day
[02:15] <bert> Riddell: thanks
[02:16] <bert> Riddell: I wonder if someone knows that the screensaver doesn't work, doesn't bother me because I can't be bothered with screen savers
[02:17] <bert> But it should be working
[02:17] <Riddell> bert: I've not heard of that problem
[02:17] <Hobbsee> bert: which screensavers?  rss-glx?
[02:17] <bert> My screensaver never works, and I have seen others mention it too in the forums
[02:18] <Hobbsee> bert: can you point to the forum thread please?
[02:18] <bert> I just have the clock set for a screensaver, but it doesn't work, used to in Breezy
[02:19] <berkes> does anyone actually know if its possible to centralise tha "status" screens?  I work nearly always remotely,
[02:19] <berkes> and the prograss screes are really annoying then.
[02:19] <DanglyBits> i want to install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu can anyone help with this ??  anyone help with a public key for deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 dapper main ?
[02:19] <berkes> progress :)
[02:20] <DanglyBits> i want to have ubuntu and kubuntu on my dapper system
[02:20] <berkes> is there some hidden setting to put them, eg in a single windown taht remains opened amm the time?
[02:21] <berkes> guess i'l need to ask @ #kde ;)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> DanglyBits: yeah, Riddell's key, it's on kubuntu.org site
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.2
[02:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5.2 is to upgrade to KDE3.5.2, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[02:27] <MasterEvilAce> Anyone know if there's a way to make mouse cursor stop blinking so much when it plays an animation?
[02:27] <nop> hi
[02:27] <MasterEvilAce> hi
[02:27] <roc> hi
[02:28] <bert> Hobbsee:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159044&highlight=screensaver
[02:31] <justme^fly> huhu
[02:31] <justme^fly> ui wasn das so voll hier !?
[02:31] <House_MD> sorry slightly OT, does anyone here use a asus k8v se mobo?
[02:36] <userbn> hai
[02:47] <Tsuroerusu> I was just curious, is KNetworkManager gonna be integrated in Kubuntu Dapper?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Tsuroerusu: yes, it's there
[02:47] <Hobbsee> not on by default though, IIRC
[02:48] <Tsuroerusu> Hobbee: Right out of the box, or is in an apt pool?
[02:56] <auTONYmous> where's the kubuntu dev channel? I have a question about kdesu
[02:58] <auTONYmous> NM....I found it
[03:03] <_michel> help: when we make an icon for floppy the icon appears 2 times so to is not possible to umount because device busz
[03:11] <pussfeller> which if any rar thingee handles multipart rars
[03:12] <pussfeller> unrar doesn't
[03:16] <bert> Hobbsee: I fixed my screensaver problem, I had xscreensaver installed, that stopped all screensavers
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bert: weird.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> which screensavers were you trying?
[03:17] <pd273> Hi all, this may not be kubuntu specific, but can some one tell me what a "mailer table" is
[03:17] <Hobbsee> the kscreensavers?
[03:17] <bert> I deleted xscreensaver and now I have the standard screensavers working
[03:17] <Hobbsee> which are the standard screensavers?
[03:17] <bert> No xscreensaver
[03:19] <Hobbsee> well...yeah...
[03:20] <bert> Kscreensaver is installed
[03:20] <Hobbsee> right
[03:22] <bert> Now all I need is to get Konquerer to show a floppy drive correctly in system Media,  Storage Media and then everything is working
[03:41] <fek> moin
[03:44] <nahoj> how do i check my graphic driver?
[03:44] <nahoj> wich one i am using that is...
[03:44] <DeadS0ul> for X or in your kernel?
[03:45] <timbba> Hi, does anyone know how to add mp3 support to amarok? I'm a newbie :/
[03:45] <nahoj> DeadS0ul, is there a difference?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[03:45] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:45] <Hobbsee> timbba: ^
[03:46] <DeadS0ul> hmm guess not
[03:46] <DeadS0ul> use lsmod to see what kernel modules you have, flgrx or somethign liek that is ati, nvidia is nvidias. not sure bout others
[03:47] <timbba> so libxine-extracodecs?? where to find?
[03:48] <nahoj> DeadS0ul, I think I found it... i just need some kaffeine right now.. :p thanks anyway =)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> timbba: multiverse
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !+multiverse
[03:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:49] <timbba> ok thanks hobbsee
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Good morning!
[03:50] <roc> lol it happens to be evening here... xD
[03:50] <roc> but good morning anyway
[03:51] <fabioFx> :)
[03:53] <fabioFx> any is running dapper beta?
[03:53] <DeadS0ul> yeah here
[03:54] <assasukasse> hi all
[03:54] <assasukasse> maybe someone wants to explain me what is the difference between performance, conservative, and userspace
[03:54] <DeadS0ul> heya
[03:55] <fabioFx> I'm at breezer... how to upgrade to dapper? apt-get upgrade-distro?
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> dist-upgrade
[03:55] <fabioFx> yeah :) sorry ..
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> you gotta set up your sources.list first
[03:56] <DaSkreech> assasukasse: Huh?
[03:56] <assasukasse> DaSkreech the power management for laptops..
[03:56] <assasukasse> it has cpu throttle
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[03:56] <DeadS0ul> for performance, reas some of the crap in www.nvidia.com
[03:56] <assasukasse> but no explanation about the meaning
[03:57] <DaSkreech> I would assume that perfermoance == dead battery and conservative means aggravting slow apps opening
[03:57] <DaSkreech> performance
[03:57] <fabioFx> what version kde in dapper?
[03:57] <imbrandon> 3.5.2
[03:58] <fabioFx> thank
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Quite funny :-)
[03:59] <DaSkreech> COurse it's even funnier that the reason this was brought up was ause I thought that CutieCoder was putting up a picture of herself ;-)
[03:59] <DaSkreech> cause
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:00] <Hobbsee> most girls arent silly enough to put their pictures into public channels...
[04:00] <assasukasse> btw is there any brightness control for battery operation?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Oh well you weren't here for the convo :)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> (neither was I for that matter)
[04:01] <DaSkreech> I was reading through the backlog of my idle time and it came up that she was a girl
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Then she said she was a girl she played games, handled guns and was cute
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Then she said she was going to put up some pictures
[04:02] <DaSkreech> and a little after that started talking about guns
[04:02] <DaSkreech> I just thought it was a proof of concept type thing :)
[04:03] <fabioFx> who is she?? :D
[04:04] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i was hoping i wouldnt need to point you to offopic, hoping you'd know better
[04:07] <humbolt> I am getting a million of those when I start kontact/kmail but the app itself does not come up? QGArray::at: Absolute index 892268644 out of range
[04:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hah, the one about me getting woken up?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Does Yup :-)
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Yup :)
[04:08] <humbolt> what can I do to resolve this problem?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: fyi:  i was awake.  just.
[04:11] <DaSkreech> No problem
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> in xorg.conf what the hell does this option do Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"
[04:29] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: I guess EDID is Extended Display Identification Data. So I guess UseEdidFreqs means that Xorg will use the freqs it gets from EDID
[04:31] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: Which means the display knows its own horizontal/vertical frequency, and which video modes are supported at which refresh rates
[04:31] <MasterEvilAce> ah
[04:45] <uwo> hi all. i would like to do a clean install of my system, but just in case something goes wrong i would like to first make a backup, which i could restore if i choose. what is the best way? i have heard of mondo/mindi, but would rather save the backup on an external hard drive...
[04:46] <hunt0r> hi all I try to install ubuntu dapper drake for a while now but it hangs on the boot process with this message everytime: cs: IO port probe 0x100-0x3af
[04:53] <Firetech> hmm, anyone here using QT4 on kubuntu? I'm trying to run qmake-qt4, but it seems to want to run uic from qt3...
[04:53] <Firetech> and the project I have is designed with qt 4 designer (windows, in school)
[04:55] <DeadS0ul> you might have better luck with #kde-devel
[04:56] <kOpter> Yello
[04:56] <kOpter> Because I want to run XGL, I need a new videocard (PCI). Now I know I need an Nvidea, but I also read most ATI problems are now fixed.. Who knows more about this?
[04:58] <ccc_> kOpter: it works fine on my ati radeon 9600pro
[04:58] <nixternal> kOpter: it doesn't matter which way you go with the whole Nvidia & ATI comparison...they are equal pretty mcuh
[04:58] <goldenear> hunt0r: is a a flight releae ?
[04:58] <nixternal> they both work great
[04:58] <kOpter> Caus it will save me about 40 euros :)
[04:59] <goldenear> ccc_: are you runing xgl with KDE ?
[05:00] <kOpter> Probably not :)?
[05:00] <ccc_> goldenear: nope, i'm not running xgl, but i've tried it
[05:00] <hunt0r> goldenear: flight?
[05:00] <goldenear> hunt0r: yes where did you get the iso from ?
[05:01] <hunt0r> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/ i downloaded both the live and the install iso
[05:01] <goldenear> flight CD 7 or dayly build ?
[05:01] <kOpter> ccc: Why do I find so much ATI bashing on the internet then?
[05:02] <ccc_> kOpter: because it's the internet :)
[05:02] <kOpter> But is the driver support of NVidia better?
[05:02] <goldenear> hunt0r: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[05:02] <goldenear> try this
[05:03] <ccc_> kOpter: i don't really know, never had an nvidia card. but i've heard people say that too.
[05:04] <hunt0r> goldenear: thx but well I don't think it will solve the problem becouse my laptop hangs everytime when linux trys to load the pcmcia drivers
[05:04] <goldenear> kOpter: an ATI 9250 seems to be working pretty well and is very cheap
[05:05] <goldenear> hunt0r: this is a more recent release... your pcmcia problem may have been fixed
[05:05] <hunt0r> goldenear: the problem is I have just one cd to burn left ^^
[05:05] <goldenear> hunt0r: if not, try to ask about your problem on (k)ubuntu-devel
[05:06] <kOpter> goldenaer: I was looking at a 7000
[05:06] <kOpter> and an FX 5200
[05:06] <kOpter> But the price difference is HUGE: 39 vs 69 euro's,,,,
[05:06] <hunt0r> goldenear: k I will try to ask there thx
[05:06] <goldenear> a 7000 may not be enough powerfull for xlg
[05:06] <goldenear> xgl*
[05:07] <goldenear> the FX5200 is more like an ati 9250 in term of perf.
[05:07] <kOpter> And price
[05:08] <kOpter> I think I'll look for a 5200 then...
[05:10] <ccc_> goldenear: actually i briefly tested the kororaa live-cd (which has both kde and gnome) some time ago. even tried xgl in kde. multiple desktops didn't really work, but apart from that everything was ok. wouldn't recommend it though. :)
[05:12] <goldenear> ccc_: xgl doesn't seem to work with KDE a the moment
[05:17] <Al-Daja> i got 2 programs that only works with IE anything that i can do , or any browser that works like IE?
[05:18] <GullyFoyle> what programs?
[05:19] <kOpter> goldenaer : why not?
[05:19] <Al-Daja> GullyFoyle, well they are programs to a game
[05:19] <GullyFoyle> ?
[05:19] <Al-Daja> kings of chaos
[05:19] <GullyFoyle> java?
[05:19] <GullyFoyle> or something else
[05:19] <Al-Daja> i don't think so i have java
[05:20] <Al-Daja> they were made to work only in IE
[05:20] <Al-Daja> or have the same programation as IE dunno exactly
[05:20] <GullyFoyle> the game itself or looking up stats etc..?
[05:21] <Al-Daja> looking for stats and clicking
[05:22] <GullyFoyle> is it flash maybe?
[05:22] <GullyFoyle> you have to be more specific on what won't run
[05:25] <Al-Daja> nothing works even with wine, i have firefox, konqueror, what i want to know is a way to cheat or a browser that can put that programs to work GullyFoyle
[05:25] <DanglyBits> I want to install Kubuntu on my Dapper Ubuntu system...how do i proceed to do this...the kde repo's are not in my sources.list
[05:29] <xanax`> hello
[05:30] <arafat> DanglyBits: i think sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should work
[05:34] <DeadS0ul> DanglyBits: yeah apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should work
[05:35] <DanglyBits> I get the following error when doing this... E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[05:35] <DanglyBits> i need to have the kde repos in sources.list
[05:36] <DeadS0ul> hmm
[05:36] <_per_> does anyone know the easiest way to try out xgl/compiz on kubuntu?
[05:37] <Bazzi> !+xgl
[05:37] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:37] <_per_> ubotu: thanks
[05:37] <ubotu> sure thing, _per_
[05:37] <DeadS0ul> I've tried xgl
[05:38] <DeadS0ul> had to use gnome's window manager for it
[05:38] <DeadS0ul> and it crashed at times
[05:40] <MasterEvilAce> anyone have TV-out experience? Pref. on a laptop
[05:40] <DanglyBits> I want to install Kubuntu on my Dapper Ubuntu system...how do i proceed to do this...the kde repo's are not in my sources.list
[05:47] <graft> err... so how do i get konsole to use a particular character set?
[05:48] <graft> it insists on using 'cp 1252' when i want to use 'iso 8859-1'
[05:50] <merkur> Hi all! If you can read this, my Kubuntu-Installation was successful :-D
[05:54] <apokryphos> merkur: failed ;-)
[05:54] <apokryphos> welcome :)
[05:54] <merkur> Whee :-)
[05:55] <MasterEvilAce> merkur! congrats
[06:04] <leafw> is it advisable to use update-manager from kubuntu ?
[06:04] <leafw> to upgrade from breezy to dapper ?
[06:04] <leafw> should we use gksudo or kdesu ?
[06:06] <apokryphos> leafw: kdesu, preferably; normal kubuntu installations won't havfe gksudo
[06:06] <leafw> fails: no module named pygtk
[06:06] <leafw> although recommended, it's not a dependency !
[06:07] <leafw> so I need python-gnome2-extras I suspect
[06:08] <leafw> which asks for installing basically the gnome desktop in full
[06:08] <leafw> what nonsense? I don't want gnome for kde !?
[06:09] <apokryphos> leafw: personally I'd just use the command line, a lot simpler.
[06:10] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[06:10] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[06:10] <leafw> which is what I am doing
[06:10] <apokryphos> hm, not that method
[06:10] <leafw> apokryphos : you mean changing the apt-get sources ?
[06:10] <apokryphos> yes
[06:10] <leafw> but I can't do a dist-upgrade to a beta, or can I ?
[06:11] <apokryphos> course you can; it's more-or-less the same as using the update manager, just not as easy for total new users
[06:11] <leafw> apokryphos : I was told while ago I coudln't. So just point sources to dapper instead of breezy ?
[06:11] <leafw> is there any caveat?
[06:12] <apokryphos> you definitely can, don't worry
[06:12] <leafw> "don't worry"
[06:12] <leafw> xD
[06:12] <leafw> I trust my backups.
[06:12] <apokryphos> leafw: (i) make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed, (ii) change your sources.list to reflect dapper sources (/msg ubotu sources) (iii) sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:13] <apokryphos> if you encounter problems it's because dapper is the current development release, not because of the method of upgrading.
[06:13] <leafw> apokryphos I am doing just that
[06:14] <apokryphos> might as well fix the wiki
[06:18] <gesho> hello guys, can anyone help me to get my logitec mouse working on my laptop? here is whole trouble: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14598
[06:22] <gesho> anyone can help? can't get ps2 mouse to work.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14598  description
[06:22] <dergringo> can anyone help me to solve this problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14599 ?
[06:24] <apol> dergringo: do you have automake installed?
[06:24] <dergringo> apol: yes automake and autoconf
[06:25] <dergringo> apol: I installed automake* and autoconf*
[06:25] <apol> you could try with make -f Makefile.cvs
[06:28] <leafw> what is the postfix ? Asks for parameters about internet
[06:28] <leafw> which I don't get
[06:28] <leafw> !ubotu postfix
[06:28] <ubotu> [postfix]  the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Postfix or here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[06:28] <_victor> hi
[06:29] <_victor> is this a help channel aslo?
[06:30] <leafw> yes
[06:31] <_victor> cool i'm using and adsl usb modem with chip eagle III but sometimes "most of the times" it can't get syncro within 60 secs
[06:31] <_victor> and when it does i cna't connect to my isp
[06:31] <_victor> can't sorry
[06:31] <leafw> no clue, never setup adsl on a ubuntu
[06:31] <_victor> :(
[06:31] <_per_> hey again, i followed ubotu's advice with getting started with xgl/compiz... however, in the link(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto), it states that i should go to "System -> Preference -> Sessions"... but there's no such thing in kde! what should i do instead?
[06:33] <gesho> can anyone please help to get ps2 mouse working on my laptop?
[06:34] <_victor> anyone about my question of adsl usb eagle modems?
[06:34] <leafw> _victor: your question is very generic, you may also try #ubuntu
[06:35] <_victor> ok i'll give it a try thanks
[06:35] <gesho> leafw: may be I'm not hopoeless. here is whole description with mouse problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14598
[06:36] <_per_> how can i place something in my session file on kde?
[06:37] <gesho> _per_ what's your problem?
[06:38] <_per_> gesho: in the link(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto), it states that i should go to "System -> Preference -> Sessions"... but there's no such thing in kde! what should i do instead?
[06:39] <gesho> u want to open terminal?
[06:39] <_per_> sorry...?
[06:39] <gesho> what do you want to do?
[06:40] <_per_> place a piece of text in my "session file"
[06:40] <_per_> so i can get xgl and compiz running
[06:41] <_per_> i have followed the steps, but now i'm lost
[06:41] <gesho> no clue really. is anybody expreienced looking at this chat?
[06:41] <gesho> do u know where on disk that "session file" is?
[06:41] <_per_> no
[06:41] <gesho> :(
[06:42] <gesho> got problems too, can't make ps2 mouse to work on my laptop
[06:42] <gesho> only touchpad works
[06:42] <_per_> to quote the guide: "We need compiz to start with the new Xgl server, so place the following in your session file. This is located at "System -> Preference -> Sessions. Go to the far right tab, and create a new entry and type in the following data: compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher water"
[06:43] <gesho> hang on, I have seen that,
[06:43] <gesho> its not there, I have seen that "Session preerence" elsewhere
[06:43] <_per_> the page is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[06:44] <_per_> near the end of the first tutorial
[06:45] <gesho> okay, try these: go to Settings>KDE components>Session manager
[06:45] <gesho> is that what you need?
[06:45] <leafw> is thee any way to remove all *dev packages with one command with apt-get , such as remove *-dev   ?
[06:45] <_per_> it would be if i could addentries to it!
[06:46] <_per_> *add entries
[06:46] <Bazzi> leafw * should work yes
[06:46] <leafw> ok thanks Bazzi
[06:46] <leafw> I don't need anymore all those headers
[06:47] <gesho> _per_: sorry :(, I gues that's the extent of my expertise...
[06:47] <_per_> ok, thanks anyway
[06:50] <leafw> what is the 'bicycle-repair' package ?
[06:50] <leafw> dounds like a joke
[06:50] <leafw> *sounds
[06:50] <leafw> !ubotu bicycle-repair
[06:50] <ubotu> leafw: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:50] <nixternal> lol
[06:51] <taw> hello :-)
[06:51] <taw> anybody had luck with skim in dapper ?
[06:52] <GullyFoyle> hey i'm running the dapper live.iso
[06:52] <GullyFoyle> kewl
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> is there anybody who succesfully solved the kdm_greeet problem in dapper?
[06:54] <GullyFoyle> doesn't look a whole lot different, changes must be "under the hood"
[06:54] <leafw> GullyFoyle : yes, it's all under the hood
[06:54] <leafw> basically networking stuff
[06:55] <leafw> for wireless laptops and for sharing music, etc.
[06:55] <GullyFoyle> and kde3.5.2
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> MetaMorfoziS,  what problem? ive not noticed any.
[06:55] <leafw> some bugs fixed, maybe
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> Dr_Willis: when you boot
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> after the kubuntu loading screen
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> how many seconds you get the kdm loading screen?
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> 2-3 or 50?
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> ok, not 50 but too much...
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> 20-40
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> just a few. as far as i can tell.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> nvidia logo.. then kdm login.
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> so check your syslog
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> after boot
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> or not... at thistime
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> cat /var/log/syslog | grep kdm_greet
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> is it said anything?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> this is a clean install from the dapper daily build live cd. :P  so i cant test that at the moment.
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> oh yes
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you install it you has this:
[06:59] <GullyFoyle> ok back to breezy
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/735372
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> i saw somebody who has this problem, and i saw a lot of forums, but solution is nowhere..
[07:01] <Dr_Willis>  Can't open default user face    - sounds  t o me like its looking for that user icon.. try changing to the 'dont show faces/icons' login method?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> nternal error: memory corruption detected - Sounds like the program have a bug. :P
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> i tryit
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, you tip is worked
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> i have only May 24 19:03:41 sajtosteszta kdm_greet[5364] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> at this time
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> but the loading time is still too big
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> you tried running that memtest for a few hrs? :P
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> how many users do you have? if using that icon login option. it scans each home dir as well.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> for that login icon.
[07:16] <Solan> I can't get disable the as-you-type spellchecking in kopete, anyone know how to do it?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> i saw it as a check box the other day.. :P i dont know where however. :p
[07:17] <Solan> hehe... I'v looked trough the whole config, I think. But I haven't found it, and it's really annoying....
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> settings -> Behaivore/chat
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> you missed it :P
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> 'enable automatic spell checking'
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> that is what i just saw on my 'irc'  connection i made in kopete
[07:18] <Solan> I don't have that option........?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Settings->Configure->Behiavor-Chat Tab
[07:19] <Solan> yup, but I don't have that option there... wtf?
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> im using dapper. :P
[07:19] <Solan> breezy
[07:20] <kOpter> Yello, does anyone know a good ubuntu alternative for Tag & Rename
[07:20] <kOpter> ?
[07:20] <Solan> I think I'm gonna reinstall... I'v been having other probs with it aswell... thx anyway m8:)
[07:20] <Solan> bye..
[07:20] <xwolf-> !grub
[07:20] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:23] <Solan> crap... didn't fix the prob:(
[07:25] <inknanand> hi all
[07:25] <inknanand> can i send rich text mails (HTML Mails) using KMail??
[07:27] <nixternal> yes inknanand
[07:27] <inknanand> can i send images in a message??
[07:28] <kOpter> Sure, why not?
[07:28] <nixternal> yup
[07:30] <inknanand> actually i want to include my official logo in my signature... how can i do tht??
[07:32] <inknanand> how can i add an image in my signature??
[07:32] <nixternal> configure kmail > identies > modify > picture
[07:38] <dracflamloc> hello folks. how wouldi go about getting synaptic on a default dapper install of kubuntu
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install synaptic
[07:38] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install syan
[07:38] <nixternal> owned
[07:38] <nixternal> ;D
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> with a sudo :P
[07:38] <dracflamloc> i tried that
[07:39] <dracflamloc> needs dependencies
[07:39] <nixternal> try it through adept?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas install ubuntu-desktop and gnome-desktop myself
[07:39] <leafw> question: updated to dapper, no kdm at boot!
[07:39] <leafw> how does one launch kdm manually ?
[07:39] <nixternal> statx
[07:39] <nixternal> startx
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> sudo aptitude synaptic
[07:39] <leafw> startx leads to my fluxbox
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> startx dont launch kdm
[07:40] <leafw> Dr_Willis
[07:40] <nixternal> but if it didn't load kdm automatically..i would believe your xorg.conf file is messed up
[07:40] <aseigo> leafw: /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> it starts whatever is in the .xinitrc :P
[07:40] <leafw> Dr_Willis so who
[07:40] <leafw> ok
[07:40] <leafw> I should have thought of that
[07:40] <leafw> the init !
[07:40] <aseigo> leafw: but yes, it's likely a problematic xorg.conf
[07:40] <aseigo> hm.. no
[07:40] <aseigo> because if startx starts fluxbox, then that's not it
[07:40] <nixternal> ok...
[07:40] <nixternal> sudo kdm
[07:40] <nixternal> that will start it...actually just do kdm
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> I dont see how xorg being messed would affect kdm at all. :)
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> a user normally does not start kdm.
[07:41] <nixternal> if you do startx then you can select kde/kdm through the session manager
[07:41] <leafw> kdm doesn't launch
[07:41] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: it can't start without X ;) so it's the jmost common reason for kdm not comin gup
[07:42] <leafw> hum, so then I'll just replace the flucbox by kde in the .xinitrc and fix issues from within kde
[07:42] <nixternal> lol Dr_Willis
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> use 'startkde' in the .xinitrc
[07:42] <leafw> the /etc/init.d/kdm start didn't launch it
[07:42] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: and then you lose shutdown / reboot / start new session features in kde
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm
[07:42] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: all that is done through xdm
[07:42] <aseigo> er, kdm
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  some would consider that a good thing. :P  then again im old-skool.
[07:43] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: lol
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> i just smack alt-ctrl-backspace!
[07:43] <chavo> yeah who wants to shutdown or logout anyway
[07:43] <leafw> can't find startkde
[07:43] <leafw>  ??
[07:43] <chavo> yup just hit the powerbutton
[07:43] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: ooh. your apps must love you =)
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  xchat and xterms. :P
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> and screen sessions
[07:44] <aseigo> leafw: you don't have /usr/bin/starkde?
[07:44] <nixternal> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:44] <nixternal> forgot that one lil thing
[07:44] <chavo> woops
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> i think apt needs more options and little programs!
[07:44] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: ah... do you use just a plain ol' WM then?
[07:44] <leafw> no input friver matching synaptics, so this is new iin dapper ?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  often. been messing with "matchbox" lately
[07:45] <leafw> this is kubuntu-ppc
[07:45] <chavo> wm? we don't need no stinkin' wm
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> wm=windowmaker :P
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> in his case I think.
[07:45] <aseigo> no, window manager
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> wm used to mean windowmaker :P
[07:45] <nixternal> i thought it still meant window maker
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> all ya kids and your fancy abbreivations.
[07:45] <chavo> actaully I'm running with compiz right now
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> nixternal,  :P thats the fun of linux.
[07:46] <nixternal> i guess....i used no xwindows at all for 10 years with linux...why cuz i thought they all stunk...
[07:46] <nixternal> i used xwindows with mandrake one time and about died it was so bad...that was about 96 i would say
[07:46] <leafw> nixternal : so what do yo uuse, screen and ttys only ?
[07:46] <chavo> I've been struggling with X since Redhat 5.0
[07:46] <nixternal> and i use e in suse one time
[07:46] <nixternal> you got it leafw
[07:47] <chavo> aseigo, that's a nice one
[07:47] <nixternal> now i am using x cuz kde ownz now
[07:47] <leafw> nixternal : I work with images all the time, can't go without X
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> one ANNOYING thing ive noticec with kde on a new install.. the panel clock defaults to 24 hr format.. so i fix it to 'normal' :P  and i got to restart that silly clock
[07:47] <aseigo> installs everything needed to build that package.. so `apt-get build-dep kdelibs` gets me a kde dev env =)
[07:47] <nixternal> see i am a server admin and security guy...never needed x cuz everythning ran term
[07:47] <leafw> nixternal : yeah, I run my freebsd servers like that
[07:47] <chavo> Dr_Willis, just do dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:47] <nixternal> i gave mepis a try and liked the look but mepis sucked...so i tried kubuntu...and well now the rest is history
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> chavo,  heh.. all righty! :P
[07:48] <leafw> great news: find -name startkde   return ZERO results!
[07:48] <nixternal> now i have 5 kde boxes running, and one xfce 4 box
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> i dident see much use in mepis
[07:48] <leafw> great update from breezy to dapper
[07:48] <nixternal> whereis startkde
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> it had some neat ideas/features...
[07:48] <nixternal> if it shows ....    startkde:
[07:48] <nixternal> well then it ain't there ;D
[07:48] <leafw> doesn't show
[07:48] <leafw> I tried that
[07:49] <nixternal> at the prompt...type in start then hit tab to see what options you have
[07:49] <nixternal> probably just startx
[07:49] <leafw> I'm running a sudo updatedb
[07:49] <leafw> there is startx and startfluxbox, not startkde
[07:50] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <nixternal> that will fix your problem
[07:50] <nixternal> kde isn't installed from the sound of it
[07:50] <leafw> but it was there already ...
[07:50] <leafw> the install will fix an improper dist-upgrade ?
[07:50] <nixternal> did you accidentally remove it?
[07:50] <chavo> leafw, looks like the upgrade ripped it out
[07:50] <nixternal> sometimes it will leafw...i have been 50/50 with that working
[07:50] <aseigo> NO KDE FOR YOU!
[07:50] <nixternal> haha
[07:50] <chavo> you must have removed kubuntu-desktop at some pint
[07:51] <leafw> I will switch to gnome if it wasn't for kmail and konqueror
[07:51] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    <-- that will fix your problem and make you happy
[07:51] <leafw> chavo: 30 minutes ago I was on kubuntu-desktop, I mean on the KDE
[07:51] <leafw> the dist-upgrade messed up something
[07:51] <nixternal> thats what it looks like
[07:51] <nixternal> you did a breezy to dapper sources.list mod?
[07:51] <chavo> aseigo, I have a question about kicker. There is code in there to remove the 1 pixel border when you use a background image but it's commented out. any reason for that?
[07:51] <leafw> nixternal: all I mean is the kubuntu-desktop is already installed, if it wasn't dis-upgraded or soemthing that's anotherissue
[07:52] <chavo> leafw, running kde doesn't preclude having kubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <leafw> nixternal : yes.
[07:52] <aseigo> chavo: i did one release with it like that and then i got a large number of complaints about it "breaking" the look for many wallpapers...
[07:52] <nixternal> there is your issue right there...you seem to be one of the unlucky ones....i did the same thing cuz someone said i could do it...well it didn't work as planned
[07:52] <nixternal> i did a kubuntu-desktop install and that fixed my issues
[07:53] <chavo> ok well I have the kicker on top and it looks wierd to me, i always just patch it up
[07:53] <nixternal> there were still some minor issues that eventually worked themselves ou with updates
[07:53] <leafw> something is really wrong, can't find my openoffice, etc
[07:53] <aseigo> chavo: so i tried those wallpapers and indeed it did look crappy. and because we don't have support for things like cosmetic pens in vector graphics because it's just a scaled image, adding a line to wallpapers often doesn't work out unless the wallpaper is the exact size of the panel
[07:53] <aseigo> chavo: so i just defaulted back to the historical behaviour. =/
[07:53] <chavo> true
[07:53] <leafw> ok
[07:54] <nixternal> editing the source.list to go from breezy to dapper isn't a good idea....
[07:54] <aseigo> leafw: looks like once kde is installed you're going to spend some time in adept ;)
[07:54] <leafw> but kubuntu-desktop is installed, will the files be overwritten ... who knows
[07:54] <aseigo> nixternal: hehe.. that's what i did and it worked like a charm. guess i'm just lucky =)
[07:54] <nixternal> ya
[07:54] <nixternal> it worked on my vmware machien....and didn't work on 2 others
[07:54] <chavo> well the thing is the border is all one color, why not give the top and left side a light color and the bottom & right sides a darker color
[07:55] <chavo> I did that at one point and it looks nice, the 3d effect
[07:55] <aseigo> chavo: i really dislike that style personally.. i'd rather see it have a gradient and/or some subtle hinting .. but i'm not working on kicker anymore
[07:55] <aseigo> chuso: kicker is, for better or worse, Finished
[07:56] <chavo> ok I understand you've moved on to kde4
[07:56] <chavo> I was just curious as I tried to get a patch in for dapper
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> kde4?
[07:56] <chavo> since it's going to be used for quite some time
[07:58] <chavo> MetaMorfoziS, yup KDE4 is gonna rock
[07:58] <chavo> not that it doesn't rock now of course :)
[07:59] <aseigo> wel, no, it doesn't
[07:59] <aseigo> right now it's pretty broken =
[07:59] <aseigo> =)
[07:59] <aseigo> nothing to be concerned about. you can't not break something when you're in the process of ripping it apart ... still have a few months to go before it's put back together in any form resembling non-broken
[08:00] <chavo> I meant that KDE 3.5 rocks now
[08:04] <leafw> the kdm is called 'start-stop-daemon'
[08:04] <leafw> apparently
[08:19] <leafw> FYI, nixternal : the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop downloaded all packages again, and replaced the exisitng ones with the exact copies (pretty much for nothing), and now KDE is up
[08:19] <leafw> and it takes forever (10 seconds) to switch from the X to a tty (here)
[08:19] <nixternal> i guess that is a good thing
[08:19] <nixternal> kinda
[08:20] <RadiantFire> thats normal
[08:20] <RadiantFire> both my computers take forever to switch tty's
[08:23] <squid0> hey
[08:23] <squid0> anyone have luck with amarok 1.4 on breezy 1.5?
[08:23] <squid0> i mean, 5.1?
[08:23] <squid0> *5.10 (doing well!)
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> squid0: You need a new version of taglib (as a minimum)
[08:31] <squid0> h3sp4wn: ok... i saw that on the announcement. what do  i do?
[08:31] <RadiantFire> squid0: compile it and install it
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> Either upgrade to dapper (probably easiest) or build it from source
[08:32] <squid0> i'd love to upgrade to dapper, but my dsl cap can't handle it...
[08:32] <squid0> i live in primitive south africa :o
[08:32] <leafw> worst upgrade ever, but after entering the System settings and pushing apply a few times all is good now :)
[08:32] <RadiantFire> squid0: then you need to install build-essential, find yourself a new version of taglib, and then compile/install
[08:33] <RadiantFire> then do the same for amarok
[08:33] <squid0> leafw: serious??
[08:33] <squid0> ok...
[08:33] <leafw> squid0 : ?
[08:34] <leafw> squid0 I havce just upgraded from breezy to dapper the debian way. Actually all is working, it just needed some refreshing actions (updatedb, apply some settings)
[08:34] <RadiantFire> so, as for my question, I'm having this wierd problem where opengl screensavers appear only on the top 1/3 of my screen
[08:34] <squid0> leafw: ah, ok. the debian way, ie. via apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:34] <leafw> yes
[08:35] <squid0> ah
[08:35] <leafw> can't see the multiple desktops in the kicker
[08:35] <leafw> only glitch
[08:35] <RadiantFire> add the applet back again?
[08:35] <leafw> good enough I'lm used to shortcuts
[08:35] <squid0> ok...
[08:35] <RadiantFire> sigh, this is mildly frustrating
[08:36] <RadiantFire> some of my fn key modifiers work and some don't
[08:36] <Snake[Sleep] > Grrrrrrrrrrrr I hate torrents that stop at 98 or 99 percent
[08:36] <Snake[Sleep] > ugh
[08:37] <squid0> so, you need build-essential to build on (k)ubuntu?
[08:37] <RadiantFire> yes
[08:37] <Snake[Sleep] > squid0: yes
[08:37] <Snake[Sleep] > !build
[08:37] <ubotu> If you want to build software, you need the build-essential package to start with
[08:37] <squid0> ah...
[08:37] <RadiantFire> squid
[08:37] <squid0> yup
[08:37] <RadiantFire> install checkinstall
[08:37] <RadiantFire> also
[08:37] <RadiantFire> that way you can getmanage anything you install with apt-
[08:37] <Snake__> !checkinstall
[08:38] <ubotu> hmm... checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[08:38] <RadiantFire> apt-get
[08:38] <squid0> ah. ok
[08:38] <RadiantFire> instead of make install, run checkinstall -D make install
[08:38] <RadiantFire> and it will make and i nstall a .deb
[08:39] <hamburg> hi, need gcc, but if i type in console gcc ->command not found ??
[08:39] <RadiantFire> hamburg: install build-essential
[08:39] <hamburg> RadiantFire: sry but how ?
[08:39] <RadiantFire> sudo apt-get install build-essential in a terminal
[08:40] <hamburg> ok
[08:41] <squid0> ok... i've installed checkinstall and build-essential.
[08:41] <RadiantFire> squid0: now you need to find taglib sources
[08:42] <leafw> nixternal : how can I repair dpkg problems, such as 'hplip' pkg containing problems ?
[08:42] <RadiantFire> that would be where google comes into play
[08:42] <squid0> RadiantFire: ok
[08:42] <squid0> rigt
[08:50] <squid0> ok, should i download the .dsc or the orig.tar.gz or the diff.gz?
[08:50] <RadiantFire> you want orig.tar.gz
[08:51] <squid0> ok
[08:51] <RadiantFire> are you downloading these from dapper source repos?
[08:51] <squid0> yep
[08:51] <RadiantFire> sneaky...
[08:51] <squid0> hmm... why?
[08:51] <RadiantFire> just a comment
[08:51] <squid0> ok.... google pointed me there...
[08:52] <RadiantFire> no, its fine, i was just being silly
[08:54] <squid0> no worries
[08:56] <squid0> does 'make' generally generate tons of output?
[08:56] <ccc_> yes
[08:57] <Riddell> if it's an automake application yes
[08:57] <squid0> ok
[08:58] <squid0> ok, great, i seem to have installed taglib! should I go on to install amarok 1.4?
[08:58] <squid0> or is there maybe something else i'm missing ? (I'm on breezy here)
[08:59] <RadiantFire> go on to amarok then
[08:59] <squid0> ok, cool.
[08:59] <RadiantFire> actually
[08:59] <RadiantFire> squid0: first executre apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:00] <Flosoft> hey
[09:00] <RadiantFire> that should take care of any amarok build dependancies
[09:00] <Flosoft> my Gajim GPG isn't working
[09:00] <Flosoft> could someone help me with that?
[09:01] <squid0> RadiantFire: before adding the new amarok 1.4 dapper source to apt?
[09:02] <RadiantFire> ?
[09:02] <RadiantFire> oh
[09:02] <RadiantFire> squid0: i would recommend you compile amarok from source as well
[09:02] <squid0> RadiantFire: ah, ok.
[09:02] <squid0> thanks
[09:02] <RadiantFire> seeing as how the precompiled dapper amarok probably has newer runtime dependancies
[09:02] <squid0> so would that be independent of apt, then?
[09:02] <squid0> yeah
[09:02] <RadiantFire> you can install it with checkinstall also
[09:02] <RadiantFire> but yeah, independant of apt
[09:02] <squid0> ok.
[09:03] <RadiantFire> you probably also want to install ruby, since the new lyric fetcher requires that
[09:03] <squid0> do i have to preface a 'make install'l command with checkinstall to have checkinstall work for it?
[09:03] <RadiantFire> yes
[09:03] <squid0> oh sh**
[09:03] <robotgeek> what's wrong with the precompiled amarok again? (only for dapper)
[09:03] <squid0> not serious, i suppose
[09:04] <RadiantFire> squid0: its ok, no biggy, you've just clobbered a prexisting taglib install, but it will still work
[09:04] <RadiantFire> the only difference is apt thinks you still have the old version installed
[09:04] <squid0> RadiantFire: ah
[09:04] <squid0> is there a way i could reverse that?
[09:04] <squid0> is there like, a 'make uninstall'?
[09:04] <RadiantFire> yeys
[09:04] <squid0> ooh :)
[09:05] <RadiantFire> you can make uninstall, then do checkinstall -D make install
[09:05] <squid0> ah, great
[09:05] <squid0> thanks
[09:07] <khaije1> hi
[09:07] <khaije1> anyone know if i can combine key and password based authentication with openSSH?
[09:09] <khaije1> mkay, robotgeek
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: What are you trying to do ? why do you need both ?
[09:15] <khaije1> hi h3sp4wn, i want to make ssh on my machine accessbile from the internet so i wanted to beef up to protection a littl
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: When you make a key you can set a passphrase on it key based authentication is almost impossible to brute force
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: If you disable all password based authention it would be most secure
[09:17] <nixternal> not impossible h3sp4wn...just that it would take about 10 years to break ;D
[09:17] <nixternal> unless of course you have supercomputers comin' out the wazoo
[09:17] <nixternal> ;D
[09:17] <squid0> RadiantFire: should I run make with checkinstall too, or just make install?
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> impossible in real terms
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> Change your keys every year if you want to be sure
[09:18] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: i realize that but is it possible to combine both the system password and the key? i'd rather have the two layers than add a static password to the mix
[09:18] <RadiantFire> squid0: only make install
[09:18] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: although what you're describing sounds pretty good....
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> If you want higher security use ace server and secure id token
[09:20] <squid0> RadiantFire: thanks
[09:20] <khaije1> i use that at work, it is an elegant solution
[09:21] <RadiantFire> is amarok working?
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> Its a pain when it drifts
[09:21] <squid0> RadiantFire: still installing taglib (installed to an undesirable location at first). also downloading amarok source
[09:22] <RadiantFire> o, oops
[09:22] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: still, that is to be expected as a result of real-world conditions
[09:22] <RadiantFire> yeah, generally its a good idea to ./configure --prefix=/usr/local when installing stuff from source
[09:22] <RadiantFire> my bad :(
[09:22] <phasegen> can anyone name a good program for converting mpeg to dvd playable format?
[09:22] <squid0> RadiantFire: ok, thanks. what does that do?
[09:23] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: basicly my question is... what is the relationship between these different auth methods? is it AND,OR, or XOR ?
[09:25] <RadiantFire> squid0: unix file location conventions, things installed as part of the system go into /usr while things that are installed custom go into /usr/local
[09:25] <RadiantFire> squid0: when I instlaled kmplayer I had to install it to /usr/local or else it would clobber kaffeine's mime type reigstry
[09:25] <RadiantFire> when I was using breezy
[09:26] <squid0> RadiantFire: ah,. ok, thanks
[09:27] <squid0> but i thought configure doesn't actually do any installation? don't you mean make --prefix=/usr/local ?
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: I have never come across a way to use password based and keybased authentication together - Maybe you could use opiekey over ssh
[09:28] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: is a password-embedded key prefered to the compounded-but-seperate password/key idea i had?
[09:29] <vraptor> configure --prefix=/foo would set the proper path in the makefile before compiling
[09:30] <vraptor> but you can pass the appropriate flag to make as well
[09:30] <RadiantFire> squid0: it sets it so that when you instll, thats where it goes
[09:30] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: so what your saying is they don't automaticaly play nice? hmm
[09:30] <squid0> ok
[09:31] <squid0> on configure for amarok, I get 'checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!' . what package would I need?
[09:31] <squid0> (i've come across this before trying to build other apps)
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: ssh2 is supposed to be mathematically sound i.e If you find out my public key then you can't find out my private key from that
[09:33] <RadiantFire> squid0: execute apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:33] <vraptor> squid0: can't say specifically for that package, but dependencies should be listed in the install instructions or readme
[09:34] <vraptor> squid0: you can then figure out where those requirements are and pass the appropriate paths, or install them as needed
[09:34] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: i know that, i'm not worried about the encryption at all... i'm more worried about the authentication/access control
[09:34] <squid0> vraptor: ok, thanks
[09:34] <vraptor> squid0: the advantage of apt is that it manages dependencies for you
[09:34] <squid0> vraptor: right
[09:35] <vraptor> squid0: I've yet to find a pkg manager that is 100%, though
[09:35] <vraptor> solaris, linux, *bsd, etc.
[09:35] <RadiantFire> squid0: i dunno, generally failures in the pkg manager are the result of badly constructed packages
[09:36] <RadiantFire> i can't stand rpm though, impossible to install things from rpms...
[09:36] <vraptor> no arguments from me on that
[09:37] <squid0> RadiantFire: right. but i'm not installing from a package: i'm trying to install from source...
[09:37] <vraptor> I hateses the RPMses
[09:37] <RadiantFire> i spent half jy time ocmpiling source rpms
[09:37] <RadiantFire> squid0: easy way to get all the amarok build dependencies is to run apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:37] <RadiantFire> that should install all of amarok's build dependencies to the right place
[09:38] <phasegen> can anyone name a good program for converting mpeg to dvd playable format?
[09:38] <RadiantFire> qdvdauthor
[09:38] <RadiantFire> kind of ugly though
[09:39] <phasegen> how so?
[09:39] <nico8481> howdy
[09:39] <RadiantFire> i dunno, it just looks really really wierd
[09:39] <RadiantFire> but it seems to work
[09:40] <phasegen> Thank you, I'll give it a try
[09:42] <squid0> RadiantFire: but, i don't have amarok in the apt sources file! i've just got the source downloaded...
[09:43] <RadiantFire> squid0: thats ok
[09:44] <RadiantFire> it will install build dependancies for the old amarok, which should be most of the dependancies for the new on
[09:44] <RadiantFire> and you've already taken care of taglib
[09:46] <squid0> RadiantFire: i don't have that source repository in my sources.list either
[09:46] <RadiantFire> the amarok source repository?
[09:47] <RadiantFire> the build deps for amarok aren't stored in the amarok source repository
[09:47] <squid0> hm....
[09:47] <RadiantFire> most of them should be in main
[09:47] <squid0> ok
[09:48] <squid0> i still get: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" when I execute 'sudo apt-get build-dep amarok'
[09:48] <RadiantFire> mmm
[09:48] <RadiantFire> i don't know then
[09:49] <RadiantFire> try searching for xserver in adept and installing any -dev packages that come up
[09:49] <squid0> ah! in the README file, it lists dependencies ! :)
[09:49] <RadiantFire> mmm
[09:52] <khaije> h3sp4wn: heh, tripped over my cord, were you about to say anything?
[09:55] <Johncro13> hiroom.
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: Can you not just firewall it so you can only connect via a host that is known to be secure (protected by secure id etc) I don't worry about the security of my home network really (never been hacked) ssh is exposed but only allows key based authentication - I looked at the mathematics of it but its insane
[10:01] <squid0> RadiantFire: hah. finally found it on google. i need xlibs-dev
[10:04] <khaije> h3sp4wn: i /can/ setup fw rules to exclude all but a trusted few ips, i just don't know what the ip's are atm, but i would definitely add them to the firewalling list...
[10:05] <vraptor> khaije: could you give a brief statement of what you are trying to do?  I came in on the convo late
[10:06] <khaije> h3sp4wn: in fact i was thinking about writing a script that would allow me to change the fw rules via text msgs from my phone, maybe even other admin tasks (that would be a neat project)
[10:07] <vraptor> khaije: there is a cgi out there that will bring up ssh tunnels through a firewall after you request a URL and authenticate to it
[10:08] <khaije> vraptor: sure! initially i was wondering if i could combine key and password based auth with openSSH, but it sounds like people are saying that doesn't work well. instead it was reccomended that i use key-only auth, but using a password-embedded key, for the extra protection
[10:08] <vraptor> khaije: you mean a key with a passphrase?  Yep, that is the way to go--use keychain and ssh-agent to get the key in memory
[10:09] <khaije> vraptor: ya the ability to dynamicly adjust various things would be nice (i was thinking more through email) but that wasn't my main question just now
[10:10] <vraptor> it's too bad no one has come up with a VPN that has one time use passphrases for consumer set ups
[10:10] <khaije> vraptor: is it true that different auth methods that openSSH provides are inconsistent or incompatible?
[10:10] <vraptor> what do you mean by different auth methods?
[10:11] <Shuriken> hello
[10:11] <vraptor> I know there are probs integrating OpenSSH with some versions of PAM (Solaris, for example)
[10:11] <khaije> vraptor: well, you know openSSH offers password auth, and key auth, and PAMauth, and probably others
[10:12] <Shuriken> what's the difference between aRts and aKode ? (is one is better than the other ?)
[10:12] <khaije> rather than using key with a special password embedded key, i was thinking about using both the password auth method and the key auth method in conjunction
[10:12] <daoze> hi
[10:13] <khaije> vraptor: it was reccomended that i avoid this, but i can't help but be curious
[10:13] <vraptor> khaije: password and key auth should "just work" if the keys conform to standards supported by the implementation of SSH you are trying to connect to
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> You can only use one or the other (As far as I know)
[10:14] <vraptor> khaije: most people consider pub/priv key to be more than sufficient
[10:14] <khaije> ya, i'm sure they work seperately, but i was wondering about using both together
[10:14] <vraptor> khaije: I know for certain that if you want both you will have to turn on PAM and implement it in the PAM stack
[10:15] <vraptor> khaije: it's not something you can config in sshd_config
[10:15] <khaije> vraptor: do you mean to say i'd need to use key auth in pam? scary stuff
[10:15] <Shuriken> h3sp4wn: ok, in fact both work well, so it doesn't matter. but juK only supports aRts and aKode, so i was wondering what should i choose
[10:15] <vraptor> khaije: I would recommend testing on a local box that you have console access to, it's very easy to lock yourself out if you bork the PAM stack (btdt)
[10:16] <khaije> hehe, ya thats what i'm thinking
[10:16] <vraptor> khaije: PAM modules are stackable
[10:17] <vraptor> khaije: I was trying to get Linux cracklib working with Solaris 9
[10:17] <khaije> i'm on my laptop, i'll try this on the desktop and let you know how it went in a few
[10:17] <khaije> vraptor: whats btdt?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> khaije: If you work how to do it I would be interested in knowing
[10:18] <vraptor> khaije: (long story, but it didn't work out because of issues with a backporting of the Solaris 10 pam_unix_lib.so to Solaris 9 that Sun did)
[10:18] <vraptor> khaije: been there done that (btdt)
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> Shruriken: what is juK ?
[10:18] <Shuriken> a music player
[10:19] <vraptor> khaije: I think unless you are supporting a large number of users and are trying to control access without single sign on (e.g. LDAP, Kerberos), fiddling with PAM is overkill
[10:20] <vraptor> kraije: or you have some special authentication stuff you are doing where you need to build your own PAM module
[10:20] <vraptor> khaije: I'm all about doing things in standard ways so that they are easier to support and scalable--important when you are having to support 100+ servers
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> Shuriken: And you can't use xine ? (xine is what I use for everything) don't like arts or esd or gstreamer
[10:23] <Shuriken> no, only aRts and aKode (so i have to download the lib aRts-mpeg or akode-mpeg for mp3 support)
[10:23] <khaije> vraptor: ya this is just for my peice of mind, but it means alot to me, y'know?
[10:24] <Shuriken> and yes, xine looks far better
[10:24] <vraptor> khaije:Yep, it's why I fight with my own corporate droid IT department everyday about me not using *doze
[10:26] <squid0> thanks, all, who helped me out with installing amarok. unfortunately it just isn't working, i need KDE headers, and i can't install them because they would conflict with other packages. :( anyway, it's time for bed here. have a good day/night
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> Shuriken: A would say use akode but only because I think arts is so poor (I think akode runs ontop of arts though) try akode and use arts as a last resort
[10:29] <Shuriken> thanks, anyway i am already using aKode so i will keep it
[10:40] <brandon_> is amarok 1.4 stable?
[10:40] <brandon_> the lyrics feature doesn't work
[10:40] <RadiantFire> brandon_: haven't had a crash yet
[10:41] <RadiantFire> brandon_: install ruby for lyrics
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> I am using it (the dev's consider it stable)
[10:42] <brandon_> can you give me an idea of which one? there are a million ruby packages here
[10:42] <Bazzi> the ruby not installed automagically will be fixed in 1.4.1 afaik
[10:43] <inc|freaky> join #kubuntu-de
[10:43] <inc|freaky> oops, sorry
[10:48] <__filip_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto i have follow this and it works perfekt in gnome, what should i do to get it work in KDE?
[10:50] <stevekl> Can someone link me to a complete-newbie guide to gaming in ubuntu?
[10:50] <Bazzi> __filip_: I dont think it works yet in kubuntu
[10:51] <RadiantFire> thats cool :)
[10:51] <Bazzi> stevekl: there are some guides in the dorums
[10:51] <Bazzi> forums*
[10:51] <__filip_> Bazzi: Are you sure?
[10:52] <Bazzi> if it works then it doesn't work flawlessly
[10:52] <Bazzi> but I doubt they ported it to kubuntu yet, the kde version of xgl is still highly unstable
[10:52] <__filip_> Okey does anyboy in here have xgl installed and it works in KDE?
[11:26] <__filip_> Bazzi: xgl works with KDE! But i dont know how to do.
[11:26] <Bazzi> heh
[11:27] <Bazzi> I wont touch Xgl until edgy
[11:27] <Bazzi> same with initng
[11:27] <klerfayt> Bazzi: edgy is?
[11:27] <Bazzi> dapper+1
[11:28] <klerfayt> Bazzi: it's like dapper after badger?
[11:28] <Bazzi> yes
[11:28] <klerfayt> Bazzi: does it have version number (e.g. 6.06)?
[11:29] <Bazzi> 6.10 or 6.12
[11:29] <Bazzi> whatever mr shuttleworth sees fit ;)
[11:36] <axiom> In the KDE file dialogs, didn't there used to be an option to sort by filetype?
[11:37] <axiom> I can sort by permission, owner, or group, which I find utterly useless
[11:37] <axiom> but there doesn't seem to be any option to change what is up there
[11:38] <ctothej> can someone help me uninstall the previous ATI fglrx drivers and install the new ones?
[11:41] <ctothej> nm, found the guide...
[11:43] <ninniuz> hello
[11:44] <ninniuz> I cannot use my ptp camera any more :(
[11:46] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Aaron!
[11:47] <ctothej> how do i start ssh server?
[11:47] <aseigo> DaSkreech: yo
[11:47] <DaSkreech> It just clicked a while ago!
[11:48] <ninniuz> I installed dapper today and digikam cannot detect my camera anymore...running dmesg I can see the kernel detects it...
[11:49] <ninniuz> while it worked under breezy as a ptp camera
[11:52] <StR> hi there?
[11:52] <StR> what is the new apt installer for kubuntu in dapper?   something like synaptic?
[11:53] <ninniuz> adept?
[11:53] <StR> ninniuz: adept is like synaptic but comes in kubuntu?
[11:53] <ninniuz> yes
[11:53] <StR> thanks ninniuz
[11:53] <axiom> Does anyone know what happened to the sort by filetype option in kde's file dialogs?
[11:54] <skipster23> Question-Can anyony suggest a good torrent client
[11:55] <ninniuz> ktorrent
[11:55] <skipster23> ok thanks
[11:55] <ninniuz> you're welcome
[11:55] <ninniuz> can anyone help me with my digital camera?
[11:56] <DaSkreech> niGHT
[11:57] <StR> where can I see a roadmap for the release of dapper?
[11:57] <Kyral> StR...why?
[11:57] <Kyral> The dev cycle is over in.....7 days
[11:58] <StR> Kyral: yes.. I want to see what is missing today so I can see if I can install the beta
[11:58] <Kyral> dunno then lol
[11:58] <Kyral> I'd just jump to dapper via the Dist-Upgrade path
[11:58] <StR> Kyral: i have a new computer and I need to know if I can install dapper or need to install breezy jost for one week
[11:59] <Kyral> StR, I'm gonna tell you what I tell everyone when I dont have a definitive yes or no
[11:59] <Kyral> "Try it" :P
[11:59] <StR> so, there is no roadmap?
[11:59] <ninniuz> what's happening to udev?
[11:59] <Kyral> There is
[11:59] <Kyral> I just don't know where it is :P
[12:00] <ninniuz> now my usb pen drive is not even auto mounted
[12:04] <ctothej> Will I be able to ssh onto my ubuntu if I started in recovery mode?
[12:04] <ctothej> icer: have an ip address and my ssh server is started on port 22
[12:05] <ctothej> oh nevermind, my ssh server didnt start
[12:05] <ctothej> how do i start it?
[12:07] <shanky> ctothej: /etc/init.d/sshd start?
[12:08] <ctothej> shanky: awesome thanks!
[12:11] <ctothej> how do i move all files in a directory to a subdirectory? i cant use: mv *.* subdir
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> mv * subdir
[12:13] <ctothej> it just brings up an error that the subdir cannot be moved into itself, but still completed the rest of the task...
[12:14] <EvilIdler> That's normal.
[12:14] <ctothej> ok. nice. thanks.
[12:15] <visikLivecd> hi
[12:15] <visikLivecd> I'm on dapper livecd
[12:15] <visikLivecd> I'm looking for wpa settings
[12:15] <visikLivecd> but I can't find
[12:16] <visikLivecd> where is it ?
[12:16] <visikLivecd> there is only static wep conf
[12:19] <visikLivecd> hello _
[12:19] <visikLivecd> ?
[12:22] <visikLivecd> hello ?
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> "/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes is very easy to understand (If you know what wireless card you are using)"
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> Is the card detected ok already ?
[12:23] <visikLivecd> but there shouldn't be a panel to configure wpa under dapper ?
[12:24] <visikLivecd> or am I wrong ?
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> You need to setup /etc/network/interfaces as the above file stats
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> I don't know networkmanager was really buggy when I tried it
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> Its much more reliable doing it from /etc/network/interfaces (configures wpa_supplicant manually)
[12:25] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: is that syntax supported also in breezy _
[12:25] <visikLivecd> ?
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> I don't think so
[12:26] <visikLivecd> ok
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> That one file is the only place its documented (no wiki on that way or anything) but its alot easier
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> (IMO)
[12:26] <visikLivecd> where is networkmanager _
[12:26] <evert_> Hello all
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> You could try installing it I suppose but it wouldn't work without an active desktop connection
[12:27] <visikLivecd> now on breezy I've a pre-up script and post down that brings up and down wpa_supplicant when needed
[12:27] <visikLivecd> but definitly it sux
[12:27] <evert_> I've got a question : how can i acces the linux filesystem with windows xp ?
[12:28] <EvilIdler> PMounter can mount ext2 and more
[12:29] <Bilford> yoou can share th ffolder  in Samba
[12:29] <evert_> but is kubuntu not using reiserf ?
[12:29] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: active desktop connection as another connection like ethernet?
[12:29] <EvilIdler> By 'more' I mean 'reiser'
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.com/736035 visikLivecd: have a look at mine
[12:29] <EvilIdler> The filesystem is up to you
[12:29] <EvilIdler> You choose when installing
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: If you are using wpa-psk all you need to change is the pre-shared key and the maybe the driver
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> I don't know anything about network manager and think its crap
[12:31] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: is IEEE8021X handled by interfaces _
[12:31] <visikLivecd> ?
[12:31] <evert_> When i wants to use samba , i can just install samba on my windows xp , and then copy files out of my /home map ?
[12:32] <Bilford> no, you dont install Samba on Windows
[12:32] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install samba
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> I don't know - What is that used for ?
[12:33] <evert_> BUt need to copy files from my reiserf file system to my ntfs hard disk ...
[12:33] <evert_> i'm working with windows at the moment
[12:33] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: is wep with radius and dynamic key
[12:33] <evert_> *i screwed up my xorg.conf file , and i just wanna take a backup of some files ..
[12:33] <Bilford> you install Samba  on Kubuntu
[12:33] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: h3sp4wn it's supported by wpasupplicant 'couse I use it under breezy
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: You can do it but you read more deeply than the simple examples in that file
[12:34] <Bilford> evert_, is it on a diff computer or just a diff hard drive
[12:34] <goldenear> evert_: did dou try a "dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[12:34] <evert_> different hard drive
[12:34] <Bilford> oh, forget Samba then
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> "wpa-key-mgmt IEEE8021X" you will want you will just need to read documentation a bit more better than I have so far
[12:36] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: btw should be usefull a full working network manager, I'm stuck with ifdown ath0 ; ifup eth0 if I want to switch from wifi to ethernet
[12:37] <visikLivecd> thank you
[12:37] <evert_> how can i do it then ?
[12:37] <evert_> if i wants to do it out of windows xp
[12:37] <blank_> hey guys I have a problem, you know the update manager at the bottom right, I clicked exit on the icon once and since then it hasn't come back on, how can I start it? the updatenotifier thing
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> Network manager makes the wireless go down all the time by scanning to make the silly graph
[12:38] <Bilford> evert_,  is the Kubuntu HD mounted in Windows
[12:38] <evert_> nope
[12:38] <evert_> I really don't know how to mount a hard disk in windows :s
[12:39] <Bilford> I forget how.  Right click My Computer, select Properties I believe
[12:39] <Bilford> find your way to the Diskk tools
[12:39] <EvilIdler> You want the admin tools menu for WinXP
[12:40] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: :)
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: Unfortunately I am rediculously tired (had an exam today and was cramming most of the night) So if you haven't sorted it out by tommorow I will fully investigate how to do it (I am interested in wireless a bit - took me 8 months or so to get myself to a point where my network is stable and I am happy
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: Is it working ?
[12:40] <evert_> Bilford , i found my way to my hard disk , i see it in the list of hardware ?
[12:41] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: I'm at home now
[12:41] <Bilford> no
[12:41] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: the wireless connection is in the campus
[12:41] <evert_> what can i do now ?
[12:41] <Bilford> http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/howto/install_xp_disk_mgmt.html
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: I am going to sleep anyway no point in me trying to think at this moment cya
[12:42] <Bilford> use that page to get you to the Disk tools
[12:42] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: through interfaces it will probably work perfectly but would be nicer if I can set all via guis :) I love guis :)
[12:42] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: no problem
[12:42] <Bilford> oh, you right-click My Computer, and select MANAGE
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: I hate gui's (well that one) because it makes the connection drop alot
[12:42] <Bilford> not Properties
[12:43] <dracflamloc_> ello. can someone help me out. my wifi just isnt working. it shows 4 networks available. but i cant connect to even the non-wep ones
[12:43] <dracflamloc_> and mine doesnt seem to work either, which uses 128bit wep
[12:43] <Bilford> did you set the keys
[12:43] <dracflamloc_> i set one
[12:44] <dracflamloc_> but like i said it wont even connect right to the open ones
[12:44] <dracflamloc_> =\
[12:44] <dracflamloc_> i'm using the bcm43xx module
[12:44] <Bilford> I dont know
[12:45] <Bilford> evert_, did you find Disk Management
[12:45] <evert_> Yes
[12:45] <evert_> i found it
[12:45] <Bilford> did you mount it
[12:45] <evert_> I can see my linux hard disk .. but it's not shown in 'my computer'
[12:45] <Bilford> did you mount it
[12:46] <evert_> I think it's mounted ?
[12:46] <evert_> if i see it in the list , it has to be mounted
[12:46] <Bilford> isnt there an option in  Disk Management to mount
[12:46] <evert_> not that i see
[12:46] <evert_> But my hard disk (with the reiserf partition is shown here)
[12:47] <evert_> the link you gave is for formatting the partition
[12:47] <Bilford> ....
[12:47] <Bilford> I just gave you the link so you could find Disk Management
[12:47] <Bilford> [22:42]  <Bilford> use that page to get you to the Disk tools
[12:47] <evert_> ok
[12:47] <evert_> i found that
[12:48] <evert_> sry I didn't read it well , my excuses
[12:48] <Bilford> theres something you do there
[12:48] <Bilford> just be careful you dont erase it lol
[12:48] <evert_> lol yes
[12:48] <EvilIdler> You can't read a ReiserFS partition in Windows without a special program/driver, like PMounter.
[12:48] <Bilford> doh
[12:49] <evert_> i can't find a download of PMOunter with google
[12:50] <Moomoo2> Woah. Not a bad following
[12:51] <EvilIdler> evert_: http://www.aptrio.com/Development/Specialized-Tools/paragon-alles-mounter-professional-version-12865.html
[12:51] <evert_> wow , not cheap
[12:51] <EvilIdler> You might be able to find a trial version on their homepage
[12:52] <EvilIdler> I'd like someone to take a look at their software for any infringements, really
[12:52] <evert_> But is there no program that works without a bootdisk etc ?
[12:52] <EvilIdler> Not in a handy fashion, no.
[12:53] <EvilIdler> You need to up your google-fu :)
[12:53] <evert_> Like i can mount my NTFS hard disk in linux ... just with adding some lines in the mount files
[12:55] <EvilIdler> Remember who makes Windows.
[12:55] <Bilford> a fine humanitarian
[12:56] <EvilIdler> A tax dodging git, more like it :)
[12:56] <Bilford> rich people hire people to dodge taxes for them
[12:56] <Bilford> they know all the loopholes
[12:57] <evert_> lol
[12:57] <evert_> so it's not possible
[12:57] <evert_> i like linux , but it's worthless because i can't install the nvidia drivers :(
[12:57] <EvilIdler> IT's possible. There is a simple tool to copy straight from a partition, but it's hard to use.
[12:57] <EvilIdler> You just need to have strong google-fu.
[12:58] <mrfishhat> i too am having some nvidia driver problems
[12:59] <mrfishhat> with me it seems as if the screen is smaller then the resoulution
[01:00] <jfarrell> hey all, I just did an apt-get install firefox
[01:00] <jfarrell> but it doesnt have the flashplayer
[01:00] <jfarrell> so i went out the macromedia and downloaded it, but its asking me for the path
[01:00] <jfarrell> what is the default install path
[01:00] <neoncode> Instead of just locking my entire sesion. is it possible to just lock one of my virtual desktops? So that I can use the system and the other desktops normaly but to view/use that other desktop I have to unlock it with my password?
[01:00] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: In your homedirectory
[01:01] <bimberi> !flash
[01:01] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:01] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: You should have ~/.firefox/plugins
[01:01] <jfarrell> EvilIdler, well its asking for the path to the browser
[01:01] <jfarrell> point in there
[01:02] <jfarrell> the installation path, rather
[01:02] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: Read the link above, then
[01:02] <mrfishhat> has anyone had any luck with dual monitors using twinview or zinerama?
[01:02] <mrfishhat> xinerama*
[01:02] <EvilIdler> I prefer to just use my $HOME.
[01:05] <icheyne> !tell jfarrell about easyubuntu
[01:06] <timas> howdy folks
[01:06] <jfarrell> EvilIdler, nothing doing, that package mentioned doesnt exist (flashplugin-nonfree)
[01:06] <jfarrell> nor does ~/.firefox
[01:06] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you know what is hidden file?
[01:07] <jfarrell> ahh but there is a ~/.mozilla
[01:07] <jfarrell> klerfayt, hidden files generally are files with a . in the front
[01:07] <jfarrell> they are visible with ls -la
[01:07] <jfarrell> ls can take a second argument for the path to list
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: yes. right path to manually copy those files would be   .mozilla/plugins
[01:08] <jfarrell> which, doesnt exist
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: 2 files that end with   .so
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you can create it
[01:08] <jfarrell> are created after the installer runs successfully
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you don't have to use installer
[01:09] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: It's FAR easier to just create the directory and put the plugin there
[01:09] <klerfayt> jfarrell: extract the tar file. and copy 2 files that end with   .so  to your   .mozilla/plugins
[01:09] <jfarrell> EvilIdler, what is the directory
[01:09] <jfarrell> .mozilla/plugins?
[01:10] <klerfayt> jfarrell: yes
[01:10] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you got .mozilla in your home?
[01:10] <timas> hum, anyone here know anything about openoffice toolbars that disappear and appear at free will?
[01:10] <klerfayt> create in .mozilla folder   plugins   and copy 2 files there
[01:11] <jfarrell> the only file is a libflashplayer.so
[01:11] <klerfayt> jfarrell: should be 2
[01:11] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you got "readme" in tar?
[01:11] <jfarrell> that is the only .so file in ~/downloads/install_flash_player_linux
[01:11] <jfarrell> yes
[01:12] <EvilIdler> You only need that one .so
[01:12] <klerfayt> jfarrell: then read it; find the section manual installation
[01:12] <EvilIdler> There used to be a dummy plugin before
[01:12] <jfarrell> its the .xpt that your thinking of
[01:12] <klerfayt> jfarrell: I don't remember what files only that there was 2 of them
[01:13] <jfarrell> now what
[01:13] <jfarrell> just restart the browser
[01:14] <klerfayt> jfarrell: are you using konqueror?
[01:14] <jfarrell> firefox
[01:14] <klerfayt> jfarrell:then restart ff
[01:14] <jfarrell> alriht works
[01:14] <jfarrell> thanks guys
[01:21] <zim> hi all
[01:21] <zim> just a quickie
[01:21] <zim> where do i edit the system menu on the right of the K menu
[01:22] <icheyne> right click the system icon
[01:22] <icheyne> and click edit menu
[01:23] <zim> not an option
[01:23] <zim> do u have to be root
[01:25] <icheyne> works for me and I'm not root
[01:25] <zim> i have move... remove... and panel menu >
[01:25] <Bilford> is the panel locked
[01:25] <icheyne> can you right click anywhere on th emenu
[01:26] <zim> nope
[01:26] <zim> yes
[01:26] <Bilford> unlock it
[01:26] <zim> i can edit the panel
[01:26] <zim> size K menu etc
[01:27] <Bilford> whats the System Menu
[01:27] <Bilford> oh
[01:28] <Bilford> it's an applet
[01:29] <Bilford> I doubt it's easily configuurable
[01:29] <Bilford> cant you use the STar instead
[01:29] <Bilford> Bookmarks
[01:29] <zim> i can right click on menu items that are in the K menu but not on the system menu button just to the right of it
[01:30] <Bilford> what do you want to add
[01:30] <zim> i want to copy the home folder link onto the desktop
[01:30] <Bilford> right click the Desktop
[01:31] <Bilford> Create New
[01:31] <Bilford> Link to URL
[01:31] <Bilford> add    /home/YOURUSERNAME
[01:31] <Bilford> change icon, etc
[01:32] <Bilford> actually, it lets you browse for the folder
[01:35] <dracflamloc__> whats the package to allow me to play mp3s through amarok?
[01:35] <Bilford> type this in terminal
[01:36] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:37] <dracflamloc__> thanks a bunch
[01:37] <JohnCro13> hi room.
[01:37] <JohnCro13> back seeking TV tuner help
[01:39] <JohnCro13> can anyone help?
[01:39] <BlueParrot> what is the propper way to upgrade kubuntu to dapper? The wiki instructions only seem to apply to gnome as far as I can tell.
[01:39] <JohnCro13> easy, parrot.
[01:39] <JohnCro13> do you have synaptec or adept?
[01:40] <JohnCro13> (under syste,)
[01:40] <JohnCro13> system...
[01:40] <BlueParrot> yea, I have synaptec
[01:40] <BlueParrot> tho I usually use aptitude
[01:41] <JohnCro13> okay.  did you select all the dapper repositories?
[01:41] <BlueParrot> heh, I tried doing it the "change sources.list with s/breezy/dapper/ then dist-upgrade" kind of way, but it sort of broke
[01:42] <BlueParrot> X refused to start afterwards
[01:42] <JohnCro13> yeah, I wouldn't mess with the sources.list.
[01:42] <JohnCro13> check your repositories in Synaptec.
[01:43] <BlueParrot> it will all be set to the breezy default now as I did a fresh install after I broke it in the above mentioned way
[01:43] <JohnCro13> k.
[01:43] <BlueParrot> yea, it has a load of breezy repositories there
[01:43] <JohnCro13> any dapper?
[01:44] <BlueParrot> nope
[01:44] <Bilford> do a fresh install
[01:44] <Bilford> start clean
[01:44] <BlueParrot> yea, I figured that would be a good idea
[01:44] <JohnCro13> welll....
[01:44] <JohnCro13> personal suggestion -- go to easyubuntu.com
[01:44] <BlueParrot> I have /home on a separate partition so it should be ok
[01:45] <Bilford> do you know where to get the latest build
[01:45] <BlueParrot> can I safely wipe teh config files and then just tell the installer not to format the partition I want to use for /home ?
[01:45] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:45] <EvilIdler> Yes
[01:45] <JohnCro13> follow the instructions to get easy ubuntu and select the updated repository list.
[01:46] <BlueParrot> Bilford: I'm thinking I will wait until it is released and just download the iso
[01:46] <JohnCro13> oh well.
[01:47] <BlueParrot> xtacocorex: you can't be worse than me at bzflag, 90 minute game, I got one kill because a guy went afk : /
[01:48] <xtacocorex> BlueParrot: hehe, i'm not bad, but my connection being laggy
[01:49] <MasterEvilAce> Okay.. I've had more weird screwups with Kubuntu than with anything else. NOW, my ethernet card isn't working. i think it's not being detected or something
[01:50] <nobby> hi does anyone know howto get your bluetooth headset working
[01:51] <nobby> I've been trying for the last week but I just can't get it working
[01:52] <nobby> I;ve installed the btsco thing but can't get my headset to pair
[01:52] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: What type of card?  I'm not sure what happened as I did not change anything even remotely related to networking
[01:54] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: If it's eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, you can try eth1
[01:54] <Bilford> maybe an update changed something
[01:54] <DaSkreech> EvilIdler: Language
[01:55] <EvilIdler> DaSkreech: MasterEvilAce started ;)
[01:55] <MasterEvilAce> My bad :P
[01:55] <DaSkreech> MasterEvilAce: Language
[01:55] <MasterEvilAce> on boot-up configuring network interfaces gets "ok" next to it.
[01:56] <NotWired> what does ifconfig say MasterEvilAce?
[01:56] <Bilford> maybe the card isnt plugged in all the wway
[01:56] <stevekl> When I 'test' openGL screensavers in KDE, the screensaver only takes up the top 1/3rd of the screen
[01:56] <stevekl> anyone have any idea why?
[01:56] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Run ifconfig and see if it lists anything more than lo
[01:56] <DaSkreech> stevekl: Do you have a GL Driver installed?
[01:56] <MasterEvilAce> Evilidler: nope
[01:57] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: check te interfaces file
[01:57] <stevekl> DaSkreech: I think so...how do I test wether I have one or not?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> stevekl: You would know :)
[01:57] <stevekl> glxinfo shows the expected output and glxgears works
[01:57] <DaSkreech>  They are a pain to install
[01:58] <DaSkreech> What video card?
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: Okay, it shows my past configuration as "auto eth0" and it has my IP, gateway, netmask etc in there
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Disclaimer: I be of LImited knowledge == limited help
[01:58] <stevekl> This is a laptop, it's built-in intel graphics...let me check
[01:58] <BlueParrot> stevekl: ouch
[01:58] <BlueParrot> stevekl: intel graphics are "fun" to use on Linux
[01:58] <stevekl> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
[01:59] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Behind a router?
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Ah
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Well that would be of limited OpenGL help then
[01:59] <MasterEvilAce> evilidler: yes, but it was working fine last night
[01:59] <DaSkreech> stevekl: Are you registered with Nickserv?
[01:59] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Can it give you DHCP?
[01:59] <BlueParrot> stevekl: you will have a hard time getting any decent hardware acceleration going on that
[01:59] <NotWired> MasterEvilAce, if it's not listed by ifconfig then it's not being detected
[02:00] <DaSkreech> NotWired: Not true it could be turned off
[02:00] <DaSkreech> ifconfig <interface> down would make it not turn up
[02:00] <DaSkreech> ifconfig <interface> up would bring back goodness
[02:00] <stevekl> DaSkreech: no
[02:00] <stevekl> Well ok
[02:01] <DaSkreech> or ifdown <blah>  vs ifup <blah. of course
[02:01] <BlueParrot> hmm, modprobe -l shoudl list it if the driver is working propperly, no ?
[02:01] <stevekl> I don't *need* hardware acceleration, I was thinking I could get better-looking 2D on this laptop by installing the 'right' drivers
[02:01] <stevekl> So is it worth it?
[02:01] <NotWired> okay DaSkreech but i'm thinking he would have booted and not done ifconfig <interface> down :-)
[02:01] <stevekl> I mean
[02:01] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:01] <stevekl> Will I get better 2D?