[05:43] <adwait> jonestarr: whts the problem?
[05:43] <IceDC571> lol Misogynist
[05:43] <jonesstarr> what's your box's issue adwait?
[05:43] <snatch> hmm didnt seem to like noatun
[05:43] <adwait> or any "source distro"
[05:43] <IceDC571> theres more than one source distro?
[05:43] <you-bunt-too> I'm going to paint my box in ubuntu colors
[05:43] <jonesstarr> well i have two major issues
[05:43] <Ghetek> Misogynist: if you want people to make fun of you run windows ME
[05:44] <Misogynist> I don't have a problem with OS distributions compiled from source. I run FreeBSD on all of my servers. I just think Gentoo's community is hilarious.
[05:44] <adwait> not much really..............just a lil sound issue (multiple sounds not working) , and little problem here and there.........i am not really a newbie
[05:44] <jonesstarr> i can't get my resolution to work right, and i can't dual boot to XP
[05:44] <synd> jUiCeR: yes it is.
[05:44] <IceDC571> i love FreeBSD
[05:44] <Misogynist> Ghetek: No, then they just sigh, shake their heads and walk away.
[05:44] <Ghetek> lol
[05:44] <adwait> ice: gentoo is one of the famous ones....thr r others (cant remember any......but i hv read abt thm(
[05:44] <IceDC571> adwait: vidalinux ring a bell?
[05:44] <adwait> jonesstarr: do u hv the right drivers?
[05:44] <jonesstarr> i like my little box, but i'm going to kill it if it doens't work right
[05:44] <chillywilly> is there still a little utility script that will let you redirect sound card access to esd? esddsp?
[05:44] <`crimsun> adwait, using esound or alsa directly?
[05:44] <Misogynist> FreeBSD 5.4 is awesome. It took me about fifteen minutes, having never set up BIND to run on it before, to install the OS and get BIND 9 chrooted at startup.
[05:45] <Ghetek> Misogynist: windows me, aol, gateway...
[05:45] <adwait> using alsa
[05:45] <jonesstarr> i don't think so
[05:45] <jonesstarr> but i'm not sure how to get them
[05:45] <jonesstarr> i hear ubuntu hates nvidia
[05:45] <`crimsun> adwait, so you've read the alsa.opensrc.org documentation?
[05:45] <IceDC571> help! wine wont run any of my spyware! lol
[05:45] <Misogynist> Ghetek: Don't forget websites with every obscure feature of Microsoft FrontPage :)
[05:45] <reka> "How to properly configure the sound" & "Howto go further: listening many sounds at the same time, without ESD" [http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567]  to start off with
[05:45] <Ghetek> jonesstarr: kubuntu loves my nvidia geforce fx5500 256mb
[05:46] <rian> rian
[05:46] <reka> `crimsun: now i'm doubting myself b/c the other problems may lie in the apps themselves :)
[05:46] <jonesstarr> darnit!
[05:46] <pepperpot> Misogynist, I like Microsoft's client-side features better...
[05:46] <Misogynist> Yeah, I've got no trouble with my Geforce3, Geforce4s or GeforceFX in Ubuntu either
[05:46] <rian> asu
[05:46] <adwait> yeah i did tht
[05:46] <jonesstarr> mine is just a picky box i guess
[05:47] <adwait> sounds are working..........but thrs no multiple sounds
[05:47] <adwait> as in, the messenger sounds come after the music stops
[05:47] <`crimsun> adwait, so are you using an overwritten pcm.!default, or are you using plug:dmix?
[05:47] <pepperpot> you-bunt-too, britney spears in the bushes?
[05:47] <IceDC571> ufucktwo linux
[05:47] <IceDC571> oops
[05:47] <Ghetek> EVERYONE SUBMIT YOUR 3RD GLXGEARS OUTPUT FRAMES NOW!
[05:47] <reka> `crimsun: e.g. changing the bmp/xmms output plugin, editing totem's catalog.cache to get sound in some avi files
[05:47] <you-bunt-too> It's "you-bunt-too" as a question from one baseball player to another "You bunt too?" :P
[05:48] <Misogynist> i patched glxgears to render bears instead so now it's called glxbears
[05:48] <Ghetek> 11110 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2222.000 FPS
[05:48] <pepperpot> you-bunt-too, i thought it was advice to the players. "You bunt, too"
[05:48] <jonesstarr> hate to ask a question that may have been answered, but how do i get the right drivers?
[05:48] <you-bunt-too> pepperpot, tell us more of this britney spears
[05:49] <Misogynist> jonesstarr, check the BinaryDriverHowto in the wiki
[05:49] <Ghetek> pepperpot: i thought cvs was "comma values, seperated"
[05:49] <adwait> go to ur manufacturers site jonesstarr
[05:49] <pepperpot> you-bunt-too, you brought her up, rattling in some bushes
[05:49] <Xyc0> I blunt too
[05:49] <jonesstarr> ah
[05:49] <jonesstarr> e-machines is useless, but i'll try
[05:49] <Xyc0> You Blunt Too?
[05:49] <you-bunt-too> pepperpot, no, those were tribal spears
[05:49] <adwait> jonestarr: or sometimes, generic drivers work well too
[05:49] <`crimsun> Ghetek, csv
[05:49] <Misogynist> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:49] <`crimsun> Ghetek, cvs is something else entirely
[05:49] <Ghetek> crimsun: yeah i know but before linux thats what i thought
[05:50] <Ghetek> i thought it was an uptight grammer thing
[05:50] <rian> hai
[05:50] <adwait> hai
[05:50] <Ghetek> ho
[05:50] <adwait> :D
[05:50] <pepperpot> Ghetek, lol
[05:50] <Misogynist> haiti
[05:50] <Ghetek> ):
[05:50] <pepperpot> :,)
[05:50] <Ghetek> o_0
[05:50] <Misogynist> frog is sad
[05:51] <adwait> namaste bonjour hello bon giorno
[05:51] <Misogynist> frog :(
[05:51] <pepperpot> saddest frogs are those deformed ones
[05:51] <jonesstarr> odd, its not letting me get into the wiki
[05:51] <jonesstarr> maybe its just slow
[05:51] <jonesstarr> mm
[05:51] <Misogynist> pepperpot: the one with three regular legs and one tiny one
[05:51] <pepperpot> Misogynist, depressing...
[05:52] <pepperpot> such things make me want to be a misanthropist
[05:52] <Misogynist> misogyny is so much more fun than misanthropy
[05:52] <adwait> huh?
[05:52] <jonesstarr> oh wait, here we go
[05:52] <jonesstarr> i was getting some issues with site certificates
[05:52] <jonesstarr> i just can't see anything with this low screen size
[05:52] <jonesstarr> ugh
[05:53] <adwait> lol
[05:53] <lcarlos> anyone knows perl??
[05:53] <Misogynist> You should be able to hit a decent resolution on VESA drivers regardless.
[05:53] <adwait> btw: which drivers hv u currently installed?
[05:53] <Misogynist> Chances are your monitor isn't sending its sync values over DDC.
[05:53] <Misogynist> You might need to manually enter those in xorg.conf
[05:53] <pepperpot> misogynists have more fun?
[05:54] <Misogynist> Amen.
[05:54] <lcarlos> wich is the variable for the arguments in perl
[05:54] <lcarlos> ??
[05:54] <shido> I see cx88 tvaudio  running
[05:54] <shido> but when I use zapper
[05:54] <shido> I dont get tv audio
[05:54] <jonesstarr> i haven't installed anything past what i started out with on install adwait
[05:55] <Misogynist> @ARGV
[05:55] <adwait> ok
[05:55] <jonesstarr> oh boy, manual configuration
[05:55] <IceDC571> in my day it was nice to have 256 colors
[05:55] <jonesstarr> i wish ed was here
[05:55] <adwait> lol
[05:55] <jonesstarr> yeesh
[05:55] <Ghetek> http://www.kindlycomputer.com/ghetek/ubuntu.htm
[05:55] <adwait> jonesstarr: if u can't get it to work, i gues u could manually edit xorg.conf
[05:56] <IceDC571> then i got  my new 16mb EDO ram that displayed high color resolution at 800x600
[05:56] <you-bunt-too> IceDC571, I'm blind, so 256 colors must be a lot to some
[05:56] <IceDC571> video card
[05:56] <jonesstarr> adwait: how do i do that
[05:56] <Misogynist> You could also run xorgconfig, of course, but re-entering all that crap is more of a pain than dumping two lines into a file
[05:56] <adwait> jonestarr: its in /etc/X11/xorf.conf
[05:57] <jonesstarr> adwait: i'm really unfamiliar with editing code, what will i have to enter?
[05:57] <adwait> under section screen, u should be able to see different colours and resolutions
[05:57] <adwait> hold on ill send u a copy of my file
[05:57] <jonesstarr> ok
[05:58] <Misogynist> i ain't no hollaback girl
[05:58] <IceDC571> why is windows limited at 16.7 million colors back in the '98 days?
[05:58] <jonesstarr> dunno
[05:58] <synd> cause its windows
[05:58] <Misogynist> 16.7 million colors is 24-bit.
[05:58] <IceDC571> what is 32-bit, 4 billion?
[05:58] <synd> 98 was a pseudo-32bit OS
[05:58] <Misogynist> "32-bit" color is 24-bit color with an additional 8 bits for the alpha channel
[05:59] <IceDC571> yep
[05:59] <IceDC571> now i remember, thank you
[05:59] <skel_> hello i got a wuick question
[05:59] <skel_> quick*
[05:59] <Misogynist> Not quick enough
[05:59] <reka> can anyone even tell the difference b/n 32-bit and 16-bit in games?
[05:59] <Misogynist> NEXT
[05:59] <skel_> when i apply this command alltray --borderless "gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=tterm"
[05:59] <Misogynist> reka: Absolutely, especially with complex lighting involved
[05:59] <phaedrus_> hihi
[05:59] <IceDC571> reka: 16bit is faster
[05:59] <IceDC571> lol
[05:59] <tatiana> Misogynist, .... what anick.
[05:59] <skel_> i get the tray icon but when i close the terminal i put it in the setting disppears
[05:59] <phaedrus_> how can i mount the second partition on my hd?
[06:00] <reka> Misogynist: hmm, i mustn't be playing the right games :)
[06:00] <phaedrus_> thi is a very fresh installation of ubuntu
[06:00] <skel_> got any idea Misogynist
[06:00] <Misogynist> phaedrus_: You want some warming lube and some dim lighting
[06:00] <skel_> its confusing me
[06:00] <skel_> lol
[06:00] <reka> IceDC571: yeah, i can't see any improvement in image quality...but maybe i'm going blind
[06:00] <phaedrus_> hehe ok
[06:00] <IceDC571> well i sure can see the difference
[06:01] <phaedrus_> ok
[06:01] <tina> hi all!
[06:02] <skel_> hmmm no one knows
[06:02] <reka> phaedrus_: [1]  sudo fdisk -l and find the partition label [2]  is it NTFS, FAT32, what?
[06:02] <phaedrus_> no advice on how to find this partition?
[06:02] <phaedrus_> oh thanks
[06:02] <Misogynist> skel_: Processes are attached to a tty, when the TTY closes, the process dies
[06:02] <phaedrus_> i thought it was ext3
[06:02] <Misogynist> You want to run nohop processname &
[06:02] <Misogynist> err
[06:02] <Misogynist> nohup
[06:02] <skel_> can i sitck the proccess?
[06:02] <IceDC571> there we go i found it
[06:02] <tina> scuse me  .... is someone here who has install q3demo with ubuntu?
[06:03] <IceDC571> 32-bit is 4.2 billion colors
[06:03] <skel_> guess alltry is awesome
[06:03] <reka> phaedrus_: ah.  do the fdisk to find the label
[06:03] <Misogynist> 32-bit is 16.7 million colors
[06:03] <IceDC571> well according to linux it can be 4.2 billion colors too
[06:03] <Misogynist> Linux is stupid
[06:03] <Misogynist> And wrong
[06:03] <skel_> lol
[06:03] <IceDC571> Misogynist: maybe its just KDE ;)
[06:03] <Misogynist> KDE and GNOME both upset me.
[06:04] <IceDC571> what?
[06:04] <IceDC571> then what do you use?
[06:04] <skel_> & what Misogynist  i almost out of ya hair
[06:04] <skel_> lol
[06:04] <reka> tina: the demo, or the full version?
[06:04] <Misogynist> I use KDE, grudgingly.
[06:04] <tina> reka: the demo
[06:04] <Misogynist> I can't help but think KDE could be so much more if they actually gave a damn about things like "usability" and "usability"
[06:04] <Misogynist> Qt is a damn fast toolkit
[06:05] <tina> i think the problems that i have are becaus eof the opengl drivers
[06:05] <tina> but i'm not sure and i don't know what to do
[06:05] <tina> :S
[06:05] <skel_> dammit nohup aitn cutting it
[06:05] <skel_> lol
[06:05] <reka> tina: have you managed to install it?
[06:06] <Miks> if i download some font types.. in which folder should i place them in order to use em?
[06:06] <IceDC571> Misogynist: hah i was right!! "more than 16 million colors with 8-bit alpha channel allow for over 4.2 billion color combinations"
[06:06] <Misogynist> IceDC571, you're just hearing what you want to hear and ignoring the truth.
[06:06] <tina> mmm ..... yes, my problem is when i try to launch the game
[06:06] <synd> does ubuntu's live CD with powerpc support, have the ability to use the os x filesystem?
[06:06] <tina> it says: Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[06:06] <IceDC571> lol.. alright
[06:06] <Tuxicity> IceDC571, 32-bit is 24-bit + alpha
[06:06] <quidam> hello world anybody knows how i can register a acount in nicotine???
[06:06] <IceDC571> Tuxicity: yep
[06:07] <reka> tina: seems like you need 3d support. have you installed your graphics card driver?
[06:07] <synd> does ubuntu's live CD with powerpc support, have the ability to use the os x filesystem?
[06:07] <Fr0Gs> ok fuck Gnome bittorrent use azureus
[06:08] <holycow> no it doesn't
[06:08] <holycow> wtf is wrong with you
[06:08] <tina> i have a nvidia GF2 and i have the nvidia-glx package installed and enables, tuxracer works nice
[06:08] <skel_> AMEN to that Fr0GS!
[06:08] <Strife> azureus is nice
[06:08] <Fr0Gs> skel_, do you use cedega?
[06:08] <Strife> but gnome bittorrent isn't bad
[06:09] <synd> Fr0Gs: azureus is a resource hog.
[06:09] <IceDC571> azureus is slow and uses java
[06:09] <reka> tina: glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:09] <synd> Fr0Gs: same with limewire, and most other jaba apps.
[06:09] <Fr0Gs> oh well i have 2gb of ram
[06:09] <synd> java*
[06:09] <synd> Fr0Gs: well most people dont.
[06:09] <Strife> azureus is NOT slow
[06:09] <Strife> and Java was only slow 10 years ago
[06:09] <Strife> welcome to the 21st century, IceDC571
[06:09] <skel_> nah i just bought a new video card tho Fr0Gs
[06:09] <tina> reka: direct rendering: Yes
[06:09] <skel_> nvdia 256Mb
[06:09] <IceDC571> java is still slow.. even on my cell phone
[06:09] <holycow> whoever says auzereus is slow, has no clue and probably uses windows
[06:09] <skel_> so i might be pirtaing some new games
[06:09] <synd> Strife: java is terrible
[06:09] <Strife> IceDC571: then all your hardware including your cell phone sucks
[06:10] <Strife> I'll never understand the fanatical java-hating
[06:10] <reka> tina: well, you've got 3d support alright.
[06:10] <holycow> lol Strife
[06:10] <holycow> exactly
[06:10] <Misogynist> Java's pretty quick after you get a couple cups of coffee waiting for the JVM to start up
[06:10] <adwait> lol.......ice: umm java is prtyy fast on my phone
[06:10] <Strife> if you don't like the way it works, fine, but you don't need to bash it based on how it was 8 years ago
[06:10] <tina> :D ...
[06:10] <reka> tina: have you googled/searched ubuntuforums.org yet?
[06:10] <synd> java aint changed much at all
[06:10] <Misogynist> The SWT bindings to GTK+ could sure be faster
[06:10] <Strife> I have a piece of shit phone, and Java works quite well on it
[06:10] <holycow> it has changed A LOT
[06:10] <holycow> especially in the 1.5 jre
[06:10] <phaedrus_> hello...
[06:10] <Strife> tell you what
[06:11] <synd> go take a gander at LimeWire, it sucks the life out of your system.
[06:11] <Strife> let's just not talk about java
[06:11] <IceDC571> C++, gtk, is better than java
[06:11] <holycow> clearly you have no clue
[06:11] <Strife> since it always gets turned into a flamewar
[06:11] <phaedrus_> this is what i get when i do fdisk -l
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda1               1        2550    20482843+  83  Linux
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda2            2551        3570     8193150    5  Extended
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda3            3571        3647      618502+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda5            2551        3570     8193118+  83  Linux
[06:11] <synd> holycow: im a java programmer.
[06:11] <skel_> grr this so frustrating
[06:11] <Strife> HEY
[06:11] <skel_> jesus
[06:11] <Misogynist> I still wouldn't dream of using Java for game programming or anything, but it's fine for application programming most of the time
[06:11] <skel_> lol
[06:11] <Strife> NO JAVA
[06:11] <phaedrus_> how do i use the hda2?
[06:11] <Strife> let's answer phaedrus_'s question
[06:11] <holycow> lol okay no java
[06:11] <tina> reka: no ...., i wanted to ask here in the IRC channel first, because i have had a very good experiencie with helpful users
[06:11] <synd> phaedrus_: please do not paste here.
[06:11] <adwait> java is ok for web programming/ J2ME
[06:11] <Strife> phaedrus_: what do you mean? you want to format it so that you can access it?
[06:11] <reka> phaedrus_: please DON'T paste > 2 lines.
[06:11] <adwait> c++ for all else :)
[06:12] <phaedrus_> ok...no prob..sorry
[06:12] <IceDC571> java for websites.. ack
[06:12] <synd> phaedrus_: /topic , please
[06:12] <IceDC571> java for decrypting my apple aac files = :)
[06:12] <reka> phaedrus_: which partition do you want to mount?
[06:12] <Fr0Gs> does anyone use linux as permanet os?
[06:12] <foe> me
[06:12] <phaedrus_> i had data on that partition  (hda2)  and now i want to access it after i just installed ubuntu
[06:12] <adwait> frogs: as in?
[06:12] <synd> Fr0Gs: i do, on my x86 boxes
[06:12] <Strife> Fr0Gs: if you mean as the only os... I do
[06:12] <Strife> on my laptop anyway
[06:12] <tina> reka: maye i need an obengl library .... any idea about that?
[06:12] <skel_> i do
[06:12] <adwait> well mount it phaedrus
[06:12] <foe> me on my laptop too
[06:12] <phaedrus_> dont know how
[06:12] <Fr0Gs> i would foe but i need to counter-strike source working first :)
[06:13] <reka> phaedrus_: open up /etc/fstab
[06:13] <Strife> cedega supposedly works really well, Fr0Gs
[06:13] <foe> lol
[06:13] <IceDC571> parted sucks.. its so slow
[06:13] <IceDC571> even on my cell phone
[06:13] <Strife> I should try it actually... because the only reason my desktop has winxp still is so I can play games
[06:13] <IceDC571> it takes days to defrag my 200mb hard drive!
[06:13] <unome> speaking of cedega, how much you pay?
[06:13] <Strife> and that's been my excuse for keeping windows for about 4 years now
[06:13] <synd> does ubuntu's live CD with powerpc support, have the ability to use the os x filesystem?
[06:13] <adwait> phaedurs: if u want to temporarily mount it, thn just tyep sudo mount /dev/hda2 auto /mount/location
[06:13] <reka> phaedrus_: actually, you should first make a directory for it to mount to.  say /media/stuff or something like that.
[06:14] <foe> wine works fine with me on some win emulated games
[06:14] <IceDC571> transgaming products suck.. its so slow.. even on my cell phone
[06:14] <WMCoolmon> hey, trying to get a network card working with kubuntu in another system - according to the wiki, it should work. however, it isn't actually able to reach anything outside of itself - including the router it's plugged in to
[06:14] <foe> ultima online, starcraft,...
[06:14] <foe> im not a cs lover anyway :p
[06:14] <Strife> CS got old after a while
[06:14] <synd> i stick to console gaming
[06:14] <Strife> and CS:S didn't improve anything but the graphics
[06:14] <reka> tina: hang on, checking something
[06:15] <Strife> synd: yeah, I think I'm going to just say screw pc gaming and do consoles only
[06:15] <Strife> then I can just format winxp
[06:15] <phaedrus_> i cant find etc/fstab
[06:15] <Strife> but I love HL2 ever so much
[06:15] <synd> Strife: yeah, screw windows.
[06:15] <adwait> phaedrus: thts not possible........
[06:15] <reka> phaedrus_: /etc/fstab
[06:15] <synd> gaming is the only reason to have win, imo
[06:15] <holycow> Strife, you will probably have more fun on consoles anyway
[06:15] <Tuxicity> the only nice game is UT2004 on Linux, WOOO!
[06:15] <WMCoolmon> the netcard is a d-link dfe-530tx if that helps
[06:15] <skel_> This Nohup isnt working
[06:15] <Strife> holycow: yeah more or less
[06:15] <skel_> for alltay it wont stay running
[06:16] <Strife> holycow: of course, I don't really have time to play games much anyway
[06:16] <Strife> being a physics major and all
[06:16] <phaedrus_> Couldn't display "/etc/fstab".
[06:16] <phaedrus_> thats what i get
[06:16] <holycow> Strife, heh, nice indeed
[06:16] <adwait> quite a lot of gaming freaks use linux
[06:16] <Strife> adwait: when linux controls a sizeable portion of the desktop market :P
[06:16] <Strife> adwait: i.e., likely never
[06:16] <jonesstarr> oh goody! my screen is a usable size again!
[06:16] <Misogynist> adwait: When the platform stops being so fragmented that it actually becomes worth it to support more than one distribution
[06:16] <IceDC571> adwait: they will port games to linux as soon as apple rolls out their intel line
[06:16] <Tuxicity> adwait, UT2004, DOOM3
[06:16] <adwait> jonesstarr: good :)
[06:16] <misfit_toy> whoah, freakin' kbarcode and mysql, holy crap!@!!
[06:16] <synd> adwait: with apples move to x86, youll see more ports to mac than linux.
[06:16] <IceDC571> wine is only for x86, correct?
[06:17] <jonesstarr> now all i have to fix is grub and ubuntus strange desire to lock up when i log in
[06:17] <jonesstarr> hmm
[06:17] <Strife> man, if mac prices go down after the switch, I'm switching to os x
[06:17] <reka> tina: hmm, not sure.  if you've got 3d support already, you don't need to install any opengl stuff. afaik
[06:17] <Strife> hate to break it to you guys
[06:17] <WMCoolmon> bleh, i'll ask later...is there anyone who has amd64 and knows how to install wine, or get the starcraft installer working with cedega?
[06:17] <Strife> but OS X >> *
[06:17] <synd> linux is the ultimate big loser in the apple x86 move
[06:17] <jonesstarr> thanks so much adwait
[06:17] <reka> tina: start googling
[06:17] <synd> IMO
[06:17] <Strife> synd: probably
[06:17] <adwait> jonestarr: np.....so wht actually worked? the new driver? or did u hv to edit the xorg.conf?
[06:17] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:17] <jonesstarr> i got the new driver adwait
[06:17] <tina> reka: ok .... thanks a lot for your time ;)
[06:17] <WMCoolmon> i've been trying to completely move over to linux as win2k doesn't seem to want to support my sata drive
[06:17] <phaedrus_> oh
[06:18] <phaedrus_> i got it
[06:18] <jonesstarr> no configurations necessairy
[06:18] <phaedrus_> now
[06:18] <adwait> jonestarr: k
[06:18] <Strife> synd: but honestly, I don't think linux was ever going to make enough headway to truly compete in the desktop market... unless it got to the point where businesses started using it to save money, then people would want to run the same OS at home... that's really still linux's only chance as a mainstream desktop OS
[06:18] <phaedrus_> now hwat to do with fstab>?
[06:18] <reka> tina: ask again later if you can't find anything...some1 might know
[06:18] <JDahl> synd, I think just the opposite... What's good for Mac is potentially good Linux also
[06:18] <IceDC571> codeweavers is going to develop their crossover products on intel OS X asap
[06:18] <IceDC571> so linux might be screwed..
[06:18] <tina> reka: ;)
[06:18] <synd> Strife: which is exactly why Win will never die.
[06:18] <adwait> phaedurs type /dev/hda2 <TAB> auto <TAB> mount location
[06:18] <Misogynist> Strife: There's also a lot of screwed Microsoft customers who are really pissed off about Software Assurance
[06:18] <Strife> synd: yep
[06:18] <synd> JDahl: noo sir
[06:18] <Misogynist> They paid for upgrades and there's no OS release until 2007
[06:18] <adwait> jonestarr: whts with grub?
[06:19] <phaedrus_> on the document?
[06:19] <Misogynist> Microsoft is manufacturing a second Windows Server 2003 release called R2 to keep them from revolting
[06:19] <Strife> Misogynist: actually, there are just a lot of screwed MS customers period... i.e., all of them
[06:19] <jonesstarr> adwait: well it won't let me load XP
[06:19] <jonesstarr> i can choose it, but i get an error
[06:19] <reka> adwait: are you sure that's the partition phaedrus_  wants?
[06:19] <adwait> jonestarr: i hv spent a whole lot of time getting grub to just start on a xp machine of a friend.......it straight goes to xp
[06:19] <adwait> reka: i think he said hda2
[06:19] <Misogynist> I can tell you flat-out that the only reason a lot of IT departments, including mine, are still running Windows is because of the chicken-and-egg problem with software.
[06:19] <jonesstarr> adwait: i have a vague idea of how to fix it from what i've read in forums, but i can't get into the file to edit
[06:19] <reka> phaedrus_: at the end, create a new line with what adwait said
[06:20] <synd> Windoze as a server OS is fine.
[06:20] <Misogynist> Mac and Linux might be fine for webapp frontend boxes, or things like that, but there's a startling lack of software for things like CAD or accounting for Linux and Mac.
[06:20] <Misogynist> I disagree.
[06:20] <jonesstarr> adwait: i installed ubuntu on a different drive and it worked fine. i don't like the idea of partitioning everything
[06:20] <adwait> jonestarr: i forgot to add..........to no avail :p
[06:20] <Strife> yep CAD
[06:20] <Misogynist> Print Spooler running as LocalSystem?  Once you spend weeks locking it down, you wonder why you didn't install FreeBSD in the first place, which would have taken you fifteen minutes.
[06:21] <IceDC571> do you guys think piracy will increase when apple switches out to their intel line, and possibly create spyware on their OS? maybe later that will come to a reality and linux will come to the top
[06:21] <synd> IceDC571: no
[06:21] <Misogynist> Spyware is a problem with Windows because Windows has a severe issue with Least User Access
[06:22] <Strife> the only reason there would be more mac viruses/spyware is if their market share goes way up...
[06:22] <iluciv> Hi anyone complied a vanlla kernel in ubuntu before??
[06:22] <Misogynist> It has nothing to do with architecture or marketshare
[06:22] <Strife> but for the reason Misogynist just mentioned, they won't be as bad
[06:22] <synd> and mac os is much easier to rid of viruses and spyware if any ever popped up
[06:22] <synd> since theres no registry for them to hide
[06:22] <Strife> Misogynist: I would argue it does... but yes, the way Windows works lends itself to viruses/spyware more than other OSes
[06:22] <adwait> jonestarr: hmm..........but i read somewhere tht XP needs to be on the master, and necessarily on the first sector
[06:23] <reka> phaedrus_: note that adwait's sample line was incorrect. :)  look at the other lines as examples
[06:23] <Misogynist> We're no longer at the point where the majority of spyware is installed by users installing software and not reading the EULAs.
[06:23] <jonesstarr> adwait: nah
[06:23] <synd> oh well. you wont be seeing me use windows at all anyways.
[06:23] <adwait> reka: oops :p
[06:23] <reka> phaedrus_: did you create a directory to mount to?
[06:23] <jonesstarr> i'll see if it works when i get grub working!
[06:23] <jonesstarr> lol
[06:23] <Misogynist> A really sizeable portion of it is being installed either by so-called "drive-by installs" through Internet Explorer exploits, or worse, by other spyware.
[06:23] <phaedrus_> yeah like mount point?
[06:23] <phaedrus_> what do i put?
[06:24] <synd> Misogynist: indeed
[06:24] <phaedrus_> how do i create directory ?
[06:24] <synd> which is why all Win users should use FF right from the start
[06:24] <phaedrus_> seems i have not hte priviledges
[06:24] <Misogynist> Sadly, until Internet Explorer works 100% flawlessly in Linux, I'm stuck on Windows for the time being.
[06:24] <REds> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /mnt/second_hdd
[06:24] <Misogynist> At least in a dual-boot scenario.
[06:24] <REds> mkdir /mnt/second_hdd, do this before u mount it
[06:25] <phaedrus_> can it be  mkdir /media/second_hdd  ?
[06:25] <REds> phaedrus_ yes sure
[06:25] <Misogynist> The problem is that Microsoft slashes things like "quality control" to meet deadlines
[06:25] <holycow> what does ie have anything to do with staying on windows?
[06:25] <holycow> your a webdesigner?
[06:25] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo mkdir /media/<name>
[06:25] <Misogynist> holycow: Correct
[06:25] <jasmuz> Misogynist: i cant belive you like IE
[06:25] <REds> firefox and opera does a dam good job of doing what ie does and even more sometimes
[06:25] <reka> phaedrus_: replacing <name> with whatever you want to call it of course
[06:25] <IceDC571> Misogynist: why do you develop websites for ie?
[06:25] <IceDC571> that makes me sad
[06:25] <synd> IceDC571: because IE is the web standard.
[06:25] <holycow> no its not
[06:25] <synd> IceDC571: some 80% of people use IE
[06:26] <reka> heh
[06:26] <Misogynist> IceDC571: Because making websites that don't display properly in 92% of people's browsers probably isn't going to win over any clients
[06:26] <holycow> so what?
[06:26] <Tuxicity> cause he develops spyware ;)
[06:26] <unome> IE ::spit::
[06:26] <Strife> IE blwos
[06:26] <Strife> blows even
[06:26] <Quest-Master> synd: Just because a majority of people use IE doesn't mean it's a web standard by any meanrs, sorry
[06:26] <synd> holycow: youre not thinking on business terms
[06:26] <holycow> making cross browser websites is dead easy
[06:26] <reka> synd: people developing solely for IE is the reason why most websites suck
[06:26] <Strife> yep
[06:26] <holycow> no you simply have no clue
[06:26] <Strife> because IE is terribly nonstandard
[06:26] <weasel__> question: how do I change permissions to a folder so i can access it from user, not only root?
[06:26] <REds> miscz_ but thats alot of because developers dont adhere too web standards when they code, its why they dont work properly in firefox alot of the time
[06:26] <synd> lmao
[06:26] <Misogynist> holycow: I don't think you've ever touched Internet Explorer's box model
[06:26] <Sophistication> IE has this funny click click also ::evil:: I tell you almost drives one mad, "Almost" even then.!.
[06:26] <Strife> weasel__: chown or chgrp
[06:27] <holycow> cross browser sites are dead easy - the only exception perhaps is purely css sites and only idiots do that because thats ridiculously hard
[06:27] <synd> why develop a website that doesnt show properly on over 80% of clients?
[06:27] <phaedrus_> ok..what for under "options" in fstab?
[06:27] <Misogynist> Or run into the guillotine bug, or any of the other myriad issues IE has over on QuirksMode
[06:27] <holycow> Misogynist, correct, you avoid that which is a: wrong and b: doesn't work
[06:27] <synd> thats not good for business.
[06:27] <holycow> if your throwing dhtml into your sites, your doing things wrong
[06:27] <Misogynist> holycow: People like you are why the world doesn't take Linux and its users seriously. Drop the zealotry, and we'll continue this conversation. Otherwise, goodbye.
[06:27] <IceDC571> holycow: who cares, i like my floating text and comet cursors!
[06:27] <Sophistication> php & mysql is all you need lol.
[06:28] <Quest-Master> roflmao
[06:28] <synd> Quest-Master: so whats the web standard? FF? please.
[06:28] <Quest-Master> synd: No, what the W3C sets.
[06:28] <holycow> Misogynist, on the other hand, people like me drop cross browser websites out that work everywhere, and clients love us
[06:28] <holycow> or at least i used to when i did that :)
[06:28] <IceDC571> W3C - i believe in that standard
[06:28] <Quest-Master> holycow is right. ;)
[06:28] <holycow> IceDC571, touche :) haha
[06:28] <phaedrus_> ok..what for under "options" in fstab?
[06:29] <weasel__> strife: so i do sudo chown <folder> ?
[06:29] <Misogynist> The only reason pure CSS sites are "ridiculously hard" is _because_ of Internet Explorer.
[06:29] <Strife> weasel__: man chown
[06:29] <Misogynist> ... :(
[06:29] <Strife> sudo chown yourusername directory
[06:29] <holycow> Misogynist, indeedy, i wish itwere otherwise and we could drop the tables forever
[06:29] <adwait> phaedurs: afaik they can samely be left blank..........reka?
[06:29] <unome> chown -R
[06:29] <adwait> *safely
[06:29] <Strife> weasel__: and they're called 'directories' not 'folders' :)
[06:29] <IceDC571> what happened to that opera guy who was supposed to swim to north america?
[06:29] <Strife> sorry, unome is right
[06:29] <adwait> :D
[06:30] <reka> adwait: never mounted ext3 partitions before :)
[06:30] <Strife> if you want ALL the subfies/directories to have a different owner, you need to do -R to make it recursive
[06:30] <jasmuz> folders---> tha is so windows
[06:30] <andrewski> anyone know if the debian xfwm4 is compiled with the compositor?
[06:30] <battlecat> Misogynist: I have had reverse issues where Opera and IE and Lynx loved the CSS but Mozilla hated it.
[06:30] <Strife> jasmuz: and noob mac
[06:30] <reka> phaedrus_: you might want to put rw there
[06:30] <weasel__> strife: sorry, i am a windows person before 2 days ago.
[06:30] <holycow> IceDC571, well that was announced a few weeks ago ... that sorta thing takes a whole lotta planning
[06:30] <Strife> weasel__: I forgive you for your sins, my son
[06:30] <adwait> phaedrus: leave it blank and try mounting.......i dont think it should be a problem
[06:30] <Misogynist> andrewski: The Ubuntu distribution of Xfce4 isn't Debian's, it's OS-Cillation's package, so yes, I believe it does
[06:30] <reka> thanks adwait
[06:31] <phaedrus_> ok...i saved the file..now how to mount?
[06:31] <adwait> reka: :S thx for wht??
[06:31] <adwait> phaedrus: type mount /dev/hda2
[06:31] <holycow> weasel__, it's okay :) its okay even if you decide you don't like linux
[06:31] <reka> adwait: helping out
[06:31] <adwait> uuh no
[06:31] <holycow> welcome and hopefully you have fun
[06:31] <andrewski> Misogynist: hmm, i thought that crimsun created his own packages for ubuntu?
[06:31] <adwait> sudo mount /dev/hda2
[06:31] <andrewski> Misogynist: in fact, i'd bet on it.
[06:31] <reka> adwait: er, don't think that's correct
[06:32] <adwait> reka: no?? why not?
[06:32] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo mount -t /dev/hda2 /meda/<name> iirc
[06:32] <reka> something like that
[06:32] <reka> adwait: cos where would it mount to?
[06:32] <adwait> reka: tht is if u havent created an fstab entry
[06:32] <reka> oh, ok
[06:32] <reka> :)
[06:32] <adwait> reka: it looks at the fstab entry for all the info
[06:32] <adwait> heh
[06:33] <reka> adwait: righto, sorry
[06:33] <phaedrus_> this is what it says
[06:33] <phaedrus_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:33] <adwait> phaedrus: in fstab, wht did u put in the third coloumn
[06:33] <adwait> if its an ext3 put "ext3" thr......if not sure put auto thr
[06:33] <phaedrus_> auto
[06:33] <Misogynist> I've got to head out, work at 9:00
[06:33] <Misogynist> G'night
[06:34] <IceDC571> lol hydrairc
[06:34] <reka> was gonna say :)
[06:35] <IceDC571> i remember helping them develop their betas
[06:35] <phaedrus_> adwait..can i message you the errors i get?
[06:35] <phaedrus_> too many to paste inhere
[06:35] <adwait> ok
[06:36] <rose_> hello everyone
[06:36] <reka> lo
[06:36] <phaedrus_> uh...adwait  and  reka
[06:36] <phaedrus_> this is the first liine of the error
[06:36] <phaedrus_>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[06:36] <adwait> phaedrus: bolo?
[06:36] <reka> mmhmm?
[06:37] <phaedrus_> this is second
[06:37] <phaedrus_> missing codepage or other error
[06:37] <adwait> phaedrus: wrong fs type??? u put auto right? it should rcognise the fs..
[06:37] <adwait> phaedrus: uuh.......u sure ur trying to mount hda2 right?
[06:38] <reka> phaedrus_:  /dev/hda2            2551        3570     8193150    5  Extended
[06:38] <reka> sure you want to mount that?
[06:38] <adwait> lol
[06:38] <adwait> make it hda5
[06:39] <adwait> thts just an extended partition
[06:39] <adwait> hda5 is wht u want to mount
[06:39] <reka> adwait: told you i wasn't sure that's what he wanted. :P
[06:39] <WMCoolmon> anyone have experience getting a d-link dfe-530tx working on ubuntu?
[06:39] <adwait> reka: he said somewhre he wanted hda2 (or so i think)
[06:40] <tsk> how can i find out which package has the iostream man page?
[06:40] <adwait> phaedrus_	i had data on that partition (hda2) and now i want to access it after i just installed ubuntu
[06:40] <reka> adwait: hehe, true.
[06:41] <tsk> anyone?
[06:41] <asimismo_> Anyone do Grub on Raid?
[06:41] <reka> tsk: manpages-dev probably
[06:42] <tsk> hmm, already installed
[06:42] <j__> sometimes I rightclick>properties on an ogg or mp3 file, it kills gnome...bug?
[06:43] <adwait> does anyone know how to configure dsl-502t to let http connections thru? and smtp connection out?
[06:43] <adwait> since i got this new ADSL connection, my mails never reach anybody if i send them using sendmail
[06:43] <adwait> and i cant access my webpage...hosted on my pc
[06:43] <reka> j_: i think that's a problem with either the gstreamer or totem backend.
[06:44] <adwait> i tried adding thses rules to the filters section thru the web admin of the router (which i had to do with IE..the firwares so fussy :p)
[06:44] <phaedrus__> wow...nothing
[06:44] <phaedrus__> this sucks
[06:44] <phaedrus__> lol
[06:44] <Sophistication> phaedrus__, out of beer eh
[06:44] <adwait> phaedrus_: ??
[06:45] <reka> phaedrus__: did you change it to /dev/hda5?
[06:45] <j__> reka- ok
[06:45] <phaedrus__> i didnt change it
[06:46] <reka> change it.
[06:46] <reka> :)
[06:46] <phaedrus__> so in fstab this is the line
[06:46] <phaedrus__> /dev/hda5 <tab> /media/second_hdd <tab> ext3
[06:46] <adwait> right
[06:46] <phaedrus__> is that correct?
[06:47] <adwait> yup.........
[06:47] <phaedrus__> uh..ok
[06:47] <reka> phaedrus__: hopefully you didn't actually put in <tab> :-/
[06:47] <phaedrus__> lol
[06:47] <adwait> lol
[06:47] <phaedrus__> command for the mount again?
[06:47] <reka> i'll take that as a no.  good.
[06:47] <adwait> sudo mount /dev/hda5
[06:48] <tina> reka: i got it! :D
[06:49] <reka> tina: please indulge.. :)
[06:49] <tina> reka: :D ./q3demo +set r_gldriver libGL.so.1.0.7174
[06:49] <reka> tina: how'd you work that out?
[06:49] <phaedrus__> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5,   <-----same message
[06:50] <tina> reka: README file and luck
[06:50] <adwait> phaedrus :S
[06:50] <phaedrus__> yeah..tell me about it...
[06:50] <reka> phaedrus__: my guess is you need to add two zeroes like the other ones after auto
[06:50] <adwait> maybe its not ext3.......its ext2?
[06:50] <tina> reka: ok .... now i'm going to play :D
[06:50] <reka> that too
[06:51] <reka> tina: well done!
[06:51] <phaedrus__> well...i can do the  -l  command again and see rioght?
[06:51] <phaedrus__> what was that one again?
[06:51] <adwait> yeah
[06:51] <reka> phaedrus__: it just said linux
[06:51] <unome> what reka said, you need 0s
[06:51] <reka> phaedrus__: it doesn't differentiate b/m e3 and e2
[06:52] <reka> phaedrus__: well, unome is backing me up :)
[06:52] <phaedrus__> what was that list  -l   partition command again>
[06:52] <reka> phaedrus__: add the zeroes
[06:52] <reka> phaedrus__: sudo fdisk -l
[06:52] <xaelius> i have an issue :-\
[06:52] <reka> don't we all?
[06:53] <xaelius> when I installed it didnt even ask for a root password
[06:53] <xaelius> and I cant login as root
[06:53] <morphology> http://www.alobbs.com/images/3ubuntu.jpg
[06:53] <reka> xaelius: root is disabled by default
[06:53] <reka> xaelius: read all about it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[06:53] <unome> morphology: great art!
[06:53] <phaedrus__> /dev/hda5            2551        3570     8193118+  83  Linux
[06:54] <phaedrus__> that is one of the lines
[06:54] <phaedrus__> judging by the size it is the one i want
[06:54] <phaedrus__> /dev/hda2            2551        3570     8193150    5  Extended
[06:54] <phaedrus__> and that is the other line
[06:54] <reka> phaedrus__: like i said, try adding the zeroes like the other lines in there
[06:55] <reka> in fstab i mean
[06:55] <unome> 0<space>0
[06:55] <phaedrus__> i added zeros.  same messsage
[06:56] <xaelius> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo isnt loading
[06:56] <reka> phaedrus__: er, try adwait's suggestion of using ext2 rather than ext3
[06:57] <unome> ew
[06:57] <reka> unome: wrong?
[06:57] <marcelcole> Hello
[06:57] <reka> xaelius: hmm, loads for me
[06:57] <phaedrus_> yeah  i added zeros in fstab and still get the message
[06:57] <marcelcole> I recently installed Ubuntu 5.04 and had to buy an external usb modem for linux, will it work?
[06:58] <phaedrus_> ok..thanks for yer help reka and adwait...guess ill go back to my old os
[06:58] <phaedrus_> lol
[06:59] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo mount -a
[06:59] <d-man> can someone compare apt-get to portage?
[07:00] <reka> d-man: what distro/s uses that?
[07:00] <d-man> gentoo
[07:01] <reka> phaedrus_: post the line you entered in fstab please
[07:01] <phaedrus_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5,
[07:01] <morphology> portage is used by gentoo in the linux world, and by the *bsd unices
[07:01] <reka> phaedrus_: i think i know what it is
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> ah, another night for me in the ubuntu channel
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> how's everybody doing?
[07:02] <d-man> is it as good as synaptic?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> is what?  Synaptic's pretty good
[07:02] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda5             /media/second_hdd            ext3      0       0
[07:02] <TokenBad> what platform is ubuntu? x11? sh3?
[07:02] <reka> d-man: they both use apt, so yes
[07:02] <d-man> portage
[07:02] <phaedrus_> thats the line
[07:02] <reka> phaedrus_: that's why!
[07:02] <adwait_> hello all.....
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: platform?  It does use X11-- xorg, to be specific
[07:03] <phaedrus_> oh
[07:03] <phaedrus_> lol
[07:03] <adwait_> somebody kick adwait......i logged off and back on but cant take my nick cuz of the ghost
[07:03] <reka> /dev/hda5             /media/second_hdd            ext3  umask=000    0       0
[07:03] <d-man> is it worth the added time to go with gentoo over ubuntu?
[07:03] <reka> try that
[07:03] <TokenBad> ok...
[07:03] <TokenBad> thanks tiglionabbit
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> adwait_: if your nick is registered, you can use the 'ghost' command to kick them.  /msg nickserv help ghost for more info
  between ext3 and umask=000
[07:03] <phaedrus_> ?
[07:03] <unome> so you're adding a HD, dmseg | less to determine the name, fdisk /dev/hdb1 (assuming), n to create new partion p for primary, 1 cylinder numbers, w to write, mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 (assuming again), now fstab: /dev/hdb1  /abc  ext3   defaults   1 1 (not zeros this time)
[07:04] <reka> phaedrus_: yes
[07:04] <unome> tune2fs -j /dev/hdb1 (assuming again)
[07:04] <reka> uniq: he's adding a partition
[07:04] <reka> someone recommended that dir_name :)
[07:04] <cdc> i just now installed gdesklets its awesome
[07:04] <reka> whoops
[07:04] <reka> unome: that was meant for you
[07:04] <unome> lol
[07:04] <cdc> but when i restart or logout of machine should i again run gdesklets
[07:05] <adwait> phaedrus_: did u try changing ext3 to auto.......?
[07:05] <cdc> how do i make it to appear on my desktop forever
[07:05] <cdc> how do i do that /
[07:05] <Silent> cdc - what's gdesklets ?
[07:05] <phaedrus_> same message reko
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> cdc: what do you want to appear?
[07:05] <reka> noooo!
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> oh.  Hmm, what is that...
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> reka: what?
[07:05] <reka> phaedrus_: try changing ext3 to auto like adwait said.
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> you guys writing an fstab entry?
[07:06] <reka> tiglionabbit: eh?  no, i'm frustrated trying to help phaedrus_ :)
[07:06] <reka> tiglionabbit: yep.  trying to at least. :)
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> if you are, you should try to just mount it first to be sure you know what you're doing
[07:06] <cdc> tiglionabbit, see i ve got gdesklets running on the desktop with that Clock CPU meters all those stuff but when i restart my machine it does not appear i have to again start it everytime but i dont want that to happen it has to start immediately once i log on to the desktop how do i do that
[07:07] <phaedrus_> same with auto adwait
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> cdc: if you want something to run when gnome starts, go to system -> prefs -> sessions
[07:07] <adwait> phaedrus_: :( ......was just a hunch....
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> let me try and help you
[07:07] <cdc> tiglionabbit, exactly i want it to run when gnome starts
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> cdc: yup
[07:07] <reka> hehe
[07:07] <Silent> cdc - just stick it in your .xsession should do it
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> reka: do they know the device name?  /dev/hd??
[07:08] <marcelcole> BLAAHAAA
[07:08] <xaelius> i have root :-D
[07:08] <cdc> whats to be done tiglionabbit
[07:08] <reka> tiglionabbit: /dev/hda5
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> cdc: well, there should be a "startup items" tab in that window.  You can add it
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> reka: well, tell him to try to `sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt`
[07:08] <reka> tiglionabbit: he gets this:  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5
[07:09] <cdc> i can add gdesklets but once gdesklets starts will it display those icons on the desktop?
[07:09] <reka> and this is his entry: /dev/hda5             /media/second_hdd            ext3  umask=000    0       0
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> bad superblock?  That doesn't sound good at all
[07:09] <marcelcole> fu
[07:09] <cdc> i dont think so might be it might help me from not executing the command gdesklets but still i need to select each and every icon and place it again on the desktop right?
[07:09] <cdc> i dont want that
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> reka: wait, why are you calling it "second hdd" if it's hda5?  That's still on the master hard drive
[07:10] <reka> tiglionabbit: i know, but some1 recommended the name.
[07:10] <reka> not me :P
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> reka: well that may be the problem.  You'll want to look at your actual partition table first
[07:10] <Silent> reka - stoopid question - have you done a mkfs ?
[07:10] <cdc> tiglionabbit, let me try it and see
[07:11] <reka> wouldn't  "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" indicate the error is one of the three, not just a bad superblock?
[07:11] <reka> lousy linux errors
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> reka: bad option may mean you wrote the fstab entry wrong
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> reka: what happens when you just attempt to mount it from the terminal with 'mount' ?
[07:11] <reka> Silent: no i haven't, but i'm not the one with the problem :)
[07:12] <reka> i'm not the one with the problem!
[07:12] <Silent> ok, whose disk are we talking about? and they should try fsck
[07:12] <reka> phaedrus_: try out tiglionabbit's suggestion
[07:12] <Silent> phaedrus_, you did mkfs did you not?
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: type this at the terminal: "sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt" if your /mnt directory is empty
[07:12] <duken> what's packet gui for clamav?
[07:13] <adwait> tiglionabbbit: thts whn he gets the errors
[07:13] <weasel__> can i get write-access to an NTFS partition from linux?
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: say this:  "sudo fdisk -l"
[07:13] <adwait> it says http://www.preempted.net/forums.php?m=posts&q=467&n=last here........tht those errors could because  of RAID or something
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> what devices does it list?
[07:13] <phaedrus_> ok
[07:13] <reka> phaedrus_: <whisper> i bet you don't get as great support as this with your old OS </whisper>
[07:13] <Silent> weasel__,  yes, but it's very alpha - ie not recommended
[07:13] <weasel__> ah, ok. thanks.
[07:13] <adwait> lol
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> weasel__: it's under development, but nobody cares.  I wouldn't hold your breath.  Current support for it sucks
[07:14] <Silent> tiglionabbit, it's not that nobody cares, it's that the NTFS file system is not well understood & quite complex, apparently
[07:15] <reka> phaedrus_: i've got it..
[07:15] <reka> tiglionabbit: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/364
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> hmm, so it is hda5
[07:15] <Silent> phaedrus_, post the output of this "sudo fsck /dev/hda5"
[07:15] <phaedrus_> sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt   i did this
[07:15] <BeefTube> installed hoary, Grub failed detecting the MBR (was looking for hd0).. instaled LILO, and Ubuntu works great.. but has no option to boot back into windoze 0_o TIA for any help
[07:15] <rafter> what is a good repository for the southeast US?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: was it successful?
[07:16] <phaedrus_> what was suppose to happen?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: look in your /mnt directory
[07:16] <xaelius> :-\
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: if there are any files on that partition, they should be there now
[07:16] <phaedrus_> sudo fsck /dev/hda5   this said it was already mounted
[07:16] <xaelius> tells me no rot logins allowed
[07:17] <Silent> phaedrus_, /dev/hda5 should now show up under a 'df' or 'ls /mnt'
[07:17] <reka> rafter: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 will work fine.  you could change it to use the us mirrors if you really want to.
[07:17] <rafter> beef ur read up onlilo scsi
[07:17] <unome> so it's mounted!
[07:17] <gibbie> I'm lazy and don't feel like searching... what's a good *.pdf viewing program that doesn't suck as much as xpdf?  thanks
[07:17] <Silent> phaedrus_, then you're in business - you'll see a new file system listed with a 'df'
[07:17] <adwait> yaah
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: okay, that means you just forgot to specify options in your fstab entry, if that worked properly
[07:17] <adwait> a good question would be.,...where?
[07:17] <rafter> reka tanx
[07:17] <unome> df -h
[07:17] <unome> for human =)
[07:18] <reka> hehe
[07:18] <phaedrus_> dude...sweeet
[07:18] <BeefTube> is it possible to un-ubuntu my computer so I can boot into windows?
[07:18] <phaedrus_> it werked
[07:18] <Silent> gibbie, there's a tool - gpdf - works under gnome
[07:18] <phaedrus_> how do i fix the fstab?
[07:18] <agwibowo> hello
[07:18] <adwait> (which i helped u screw up) :p
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: your fstab entry should look like this:   /dev/hda5   /themountpoint   ext3   defaults   0   0       (but with tabs instead of spaces)
[07:19] <phaedrus_> what is /themountpoint  ?
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> put the mount point you want to use
[07:19] <phaedrus_> ok
[07:19] <reka> adwait: me too
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> any empty directory will do
[07:19] <reka> :)
[07:19] <Silent> BeefTube, I believe 'fdisk /mbr' from a windows CD should restore the windows MBR
[07:19] <phaedrus_> and icon appear on the desktop?
[07:19] <adwait> :)
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: probably no
[07:19] <phaedrus_> lol
[07:19] <rafter> beef read man lilo du u use a scsi hard drive
[07:19] <BeefTube> silent thanks :)
[07:19] <Silent> BeefTube, be sure to do this from the install CD
[07:19] <BeefTube> ok
[07:19] <phaedrus_> when i plug in my usb hd  an icon appears on desktop
[07:19] <Silent> BeefTube, and then figure out how to get Grub installed - LILO blows
[07:20] <agwibowo> i've just installed hoary on my box.... but during the installation, i forgot to plug off the headphone from the front casing (it's those casing with headphone output in front and speaker output in back).... now, ubuntu refuses to output any sound from the speaker (i.e. the sound only comes out from the headphone). What should i do?
[07:20] <BeefTube> is there a way to do it from apt?
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: but you will be able to access the partition from the directory you mount it to, so if you mount it to /home/yourname/Dekstop/something and make that folder on your desktop, then yeah, it'll be there..  heh
[07:20] <BeefTube> :)
[07:20] <gibbie> anyone know how to open another workspace from the command line (using XFCE4 if it matters)  I'm not using a taskbar.
[07:20] <rafter> lol silent
[07:20] <phaedrus_> wow  thanks a lot for the help....
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> gibbie: workspace ?
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome
[07:20] <phaedrus_> i really really appreciate it
[07:21] <phaedrus_> still a little weary of ubuntu since i never had probs with mepis
[07:21] <phaedrus_> : )
[07:21] <reka> phaedrus_, tiglionabbit : so what was wrong?
[07:21] <gibbie> normally the bottom taskbar gives you options to have multiple workspaces to sort of expand your desktop...I want to do that without the taksbar
[07:21] <rafter> BeefTube is ur hd an IDE or SCSI
[07:21] <reka> gibbie: ctrl+alt+left/right ?
[07:21] <BeefTube> IDE
[07:21] <adwait> http://www.loculus.nl/xfce/documentation/docs-4.2/xfwm4.html#wm-windows
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> reka: I think he forgot to say "defaults" in the options column in fstab
[07:22] <reka> tiglionabbit: ah
[07:22] <gibbie> Excellent!  thanks
[07:22] <adwait> np
[07:22] <reka> gibbie: although if you're a CL freak, you should read up on screen
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> reka: just had to make sure it was that, and not that the partition didn't exist or something =P
[07:22] <agwibowo> anyone can help me?
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: ask away
[07:22] <gibbie> i'll check it
[07:22] <agwibowo> i've just installed hoary on my box.... but during the installation, i forgot to plug off the headphone from the front casing (it's those casing with headphone output in front and speaker output in back).... now, ubuntu refuses to output any sound from the speaker (i.e. the sound only comes out from the headphone). What should i do?
[07:23] <tiglionabbit> oh
[07:23] <rafter> BeefTube what happened during the install grub?
[07:23] <Djibouti> Hi
[07:23] <Silent> agwibowo, dude - do you have the volume turned up?
[07:23] <adwait> agwibowo: thts pretty odd.......cuz as far is linux is concerned...it is sendin g the output to the sound card,beyond that its the soundcards business, right?
[07:23] <agwibowo> i already turn it up to the loudest volume
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> hmm, is there a command to re-probe for hardware?
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> oh I know
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> the device manager
[07:24] <BeefTube> it slapped me down like a little girl, and told me that hd0 was not found... fatal error... then I got put back into a menu where i could select LILO or grub
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: try using system -> admin -> device manager
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> tell me if that fixes it
[07:24] <agwibowo> tiglionabbit: what should i do there?
[07:25] <Silent> BeefTube, how many hard drives do u have?
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> no wait
[07:25] <BeefTube> 1
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> where is that thing I'm looking for
[07:25] <vinux> man I want to try brezzy out
[07:25] <Juhaz> tiglionabbit, that doesn't do anything, it just lists your things
[07:25] <Silent> BeefTube, have you set the jumpers on the drive to master? and anything else on the same ide to slave?
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> Juhaz: I know, I said the wrong thing.  There's something else that configures your sound hardware and such, where is it?
[07:25] <rafter> BeefTube did u anserw put on mbr or other
[07:26] <BeefTube> on MBR
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> oh, applications -> system tools -> Ubuntu Device Database
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> that's what I meant to say
[07:26] <reka> isn't that just for the developers reference of what hardware works?
[07:26] <rafter> BeefTube anser silent ?
[07:26] <BeefTube> silent, I only have a CDRW and a DVD both set to slave
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> reka: oh, maybe.   heh sorry...
[07:27] <agwibowo> errr.. stilll silent.....
[07:27] <adwait> heh
[07:27] <unome> agwibowo: check your mixer
[07:27] <unome> btw what's gnome's mixer?
[07:27] <agwibowo> unome: all to the fullest volume
[07:27] <Juhaz> gnome-volume-control
[07:27] <unome> kmix is what I use in KDE
[07:28] <Silent> BeefTube, this isn't an Acer perchance?
[07:28] <rafter> BeefTube did u wire the cdr and dvd
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: if you kill esd, does it work?
[07:28] <agwibowo> there's no esd running....
[07:29] <Juhaz> agwibowo, change the mixer device to alsa if it's OSS, and add all the zillion ofther controls from preferences
[07:29] <BeefTube> silent , nope.. it is a freinkenstein system I made from a gateway and a dell
[07:29] <BeefTube> rafter.. yup 8)
[07:29] <rafter> BeefTube lol
[07:29] <__learner__> do you have any tip for making ubuntu faster, I mean on an ald pc. My friend has ubuntu on hsi 700mhz pc 128 Dimm RAM, and performance is bad. Any tip?
[07:29] <reka> adwait, tiglionabbit : i'm off. cya later
[07:30] <unome> nite reka
[07:30] <adwait> reka: cya
[07:30] <reka> __learner__: you could run a more lightweight WM
[07:30] <agwibowo> JuHaz: not sure how to do that....
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> reka: gbye then
[07:30] <reka> like xfce or fluxbox
[07:30] <optendo_> first time install, running pretty nice!
[07:30] <reka> unome: whoops, you too. :)
[07:30] <adwait> _learner_: and check for any unnecessary services and turn them off
[07:31] <__learner__> I tried instyalling fluxbox from sinaptic, but I couldnt manage to use it. there are no icons, no wallpaper, nothing.
[07:31] <reka> optendo_: 1st linux distro?
[07:31] <unome> optendo_: that's what I'm talking about!
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> __learner__: You need to run a script to generate them.  Ask the people of #fluxbox
[07:31] <Silent> BeefTube, did you run 'grub-install' ?
[07:31] <BeefTube> hmmm.... synaptic tells me that GRUB is already installed... should I uninstall, and reinstall it from synaptic or from APT on commandline?
[07:31] <optendo_> yah, I played with linux before but It always ended quick, got off during the summer so I heard ubuntu was a good starting place so I installed and running nice
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> BeefTube: omg why would you do that?
[07:32] <BeefTube> nope, I have not silent
[07:32] <reka> optendo_: well, you chose a good one. :)  hope you stick with it.
[07:32] <rafter> BeefTube u have 1 ide hd as master make the cdrw a master and the dvd slave (on one cable) the end cable is the master the middle connection will be the slave
[07:32] <Silent> BeefTube, well that's the one you want...
[07:32] <__learner__> tx.
[07:32] <BeefTube> Cool thank you :)
[07:32] <optendo_> reka: yah I am hoping lol. I want to learn command line mostly and get efficietnt with that
[07:32] <BeefTube> as root?
[07:33] <BeefTube> errr umm sudo I mean
[07:33] <optendo_> reka: right now I am running off vmware, and it installed with no problem
[07:33] <Juhaz> agwibowo, they're in the mixer apps menus
[07:33] <Silent> BeefTube, yes, as root
[07:33] <adwait> sudo is irritating......i just use the root terminal
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> optendo_: http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/ `vimtutor` `man` `info`
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> adwait: you could say `sudo su` or `sudo -s` or `sudo -i`
[07:34] <optendo_> tiglionabbit: I will check it out thanks
[07:34] <unome> UBUNTU = Unlike Before, linUx Now is Totally Usable (not really what the african word Ubuntu means but what the heck!)
[07:34] <adwait> ubuntu=humanity
[07:34] <Silent> lol unome
[07:34] <optendo_> ^lol
[07:34] <xaelius> i cant get it to let me login as root
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: that is intentional
[07:34] <xaelius> tells me root logins are not allowed
[07:34] <unome> isnt that a great motto?
[07:35] <adwait> xaelius: if u want u can override
[07:35] <adwait> change password with passwd
[07:35] <optendo_> I am guess the default root pass is nothing, am I right?
[07:35] <xaelius> that is what I am trying to do
[07:35] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: is is unsafe to run X as root.  You can change the setting in system -> admin -> login screen setup
[07:35] <adwait> change preference in GDM manager to let root login from FUI
[07:35] <rafter> Silent will lilo have to be removed 1st
[07:35] <adwait> *GUI
[07:35] <Jimbob> xaelius: "sudo -i"
[07:35] <Silent> xaelius, reboot - at the grub prompt select the 2nd option to boot single user - then change the root pw
[07:35] <Jimbob> Silent: You don't need to do that.
[07:35] <Silent> rafter, nope, Grub will overwrite the MBR
[07:35] <xaelius> i already changed the root password following the instrustions on the wiki
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> why are we advising xaelius on how to login as root?  Why not just tell him he's wrong and should live with the ubuntu way of doing things?
[07:36] <Silent> heh
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> well I'll do it then
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: you are wrong.  Use sudo instead.
[07:36] <adwait> lol
[07:36] <rafter> eww silent
[07:36] <Silent> wassup rafter?
[07:36] <adwait> xaelius: u can use the root terminal emulator from applications>sys tem tools
[07:37] <Silent> BeefTube, if grub-install won't work for you - check the options in /boot/grub/menu.lst & device.map
[07:37] <xaelius> i am having no luck editing and saving fstab, tells me i do not have privs
[07:37] <BeefTube> ok I will try that thanks :)
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: if there are things you must run as root, you can create a launcher for them and put `gksudo` before the command so it gives a graphical password entry window before running the program
[07:37] <rafter> Silent just the thought of multibe overwrites on the mbr scares me
[07:37] <adwait> xaelius: use sudo....or use the root terminal
[07:38] <johntramp> hey I am trying to set up an internet adsl modem
[07:38] <Silent> xaelius, check the perms on the file - fstab is writable only be root
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: open a terminal, and type `sudo` and then the command to open your editor, such as `sudo gedit`
[07:38] <adwait> johntramp: and.....?
[07:38] <johntramp> I have done this like in the ubuntu guide
[07:38] <johntramp> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[07:38] <johntramp> but when I try connect it said something like no conection present
[07:38] <Silent> rafter, don't sweat it - but make sure you have a repair CD before you do it that had Grub on - if you have probs, you can still boot the CD
[07:39] <Silent> rafter, I use the RIP repair disk for this
[07:39] <johntramp> adwait: do you have an adsl modem?
[07:39] <adwait> johntramp: yes
[07:39] <adwait> johntramp: but it automatically logs on on hardware side itself......so my net is on even b4  the Os gets  loaded
[07:40] <optendo_> dumb question but where can I change my resolution
[07:40] <johntramp> adwait: so it is a good quality modem then
[07:40] <adwait> hey is the site ubuntuguide slow or is it my connection ? :S other sites load fine...
[07:40] <adwait> johntramp: lol DSL 502T D link
[07:40] <optendo_> nm found it
[07:40] <adwait> ok.......so did u use pppoeconf?
[07:41] <johntramp> :S  ok
[07:41] <johntramp> adwait: no what is that
[07:41] <adwait> used to setup a pppoe connection
[07:41] <BeefTube> is cedga part of hoary? I wanna play some games 8)
[07:41] <adwait> try it......sudo pppoeconf.....its a wizard so just go along with it
[07:41] <optendo_> does ubunut support widescreen resolution???
[07:41] <johntramp> i just used the thing in the system menu like it says on the ubuntu guide
[07:41] <johntramp> Applications -> System Tools -> RP-PPPoE
[07:42] <johntramp> is that pppoeconf?
[07:42] <IceDC571> cedega is warez. lol
[07:42] <robitaille> BeefTube:  you will have to get cedega from their web site; I don't think it is free
[07:42] <IceDC571> its stolen code :(
[07:42] <BeefTube> oh
[07:42] <johntramp> lol is it IceDC571
[07:42] <BeefTube> I thought we could compile it from source or something....
[07:43] <adwait> johntramp: :S....i havnt got such a thing in my menu
[07:43] <johntramp> oh
[07:43] <adwait> i guess u must hv installed rp-pppoe
[07:43] <robitaille> BeefTube: yes you can compile it; It's not really obvious to do; ( tried it once, and it didn't work; compiler errors)
[07:43] <johntramp> I just did this
[07:43] <adwait> anyway.....i dont think thts the same thing....try pppoeconf
[07:43] <johntramp> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[07:43] <BeefTube> ok thanks :)
[07:43] <adwait> johntramp: the site just wont open on my end......:S
[07:43] <johntramp> oh
[07:43] <agwibowo> grrr... this is annoying.... i can't listen using my speaker... have to use the headphone
[07:43] <s0n1cm0nk3y> anybody know of a good way to get all my files up for a backup
[07:44] <megabyte405> optendo_, if you put it in your xorg.conf
[07:44] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i dont really care about my mbr, just something to backup
[07:44] <adwait> says connecting to.......and then nothing :p
[07:44] <rafter> BeefTube u got grub installed yet
[07:44] <johntramp> hey does adsl connection show up as eth?
[07:44] <BeefTube> nope
[07:44] <adwait> johntramp: anyway...just try the pppoeconf wizard..it automatically looks for access concentrators and configure everything
[07:44] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: you probably don't want to back up everything, just your own data, right?
[07:44] <johntramp> ok adwait i will do that
[07:45] <rafter> BeefTube y
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: and if you've been a good linux user, they should all be in /home/$user/, right?  So...
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> yeah
[07:45] <BeefTube> think i am going to do a quick kanotix install to fix my MBR.. i got some work to do tonight.. tomarrow i will learn GRUB
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but im talking about my system
[07:45] <optendo_> megbyte405: thanks
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> say a bad install screws up
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: that shouldn't happen
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i want a way to just extract back to normal
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> this isn't windows
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: install things from apt, remove things by apt, and you're safe from that ever happening
[07:46] <BeefTube> thanks for the help.. I am going to try d-loading Kubuntu and see if it works :)
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: ive had it happen before
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> on ubuntu?
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> what did you do?
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hmmm
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> guess so
[07:46] <johntramp> adwait: it said that the access concentrators not found
[07:46] <rafter> BeefTube fix ur hardware connections 1st
[07:46] <robitaille> tiglionabbit:  problems happen; even in linux ( hard disk problem then  your files are gone...)
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: idk, thinks just started lagging after like a week
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hadnt installed anything new
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: sounds more like windows to me.
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> =p
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: lol, nah
[07:47] <robitaille> s0n1cm0nk3y:  mondo is a backup software available in universe.   it can backup all your files to CD/DVD (but no gui interface...)
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: i know its not the hardware to
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: anyway, you can generally troubleshoot without trashing everything
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: and the only ties it has to windows is my ntfs 200gb
[07:47] <adwait> johntramp: any news?
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: looking for a basic command
[07:47] <rafter> firefox has chatzilla now/
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: like tar
[07:47] <adwait> rafter: yeah.......i am using tht
[07:47] <johntramp> adwait: it doesnt seem to be workin
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: ive tried it, but for some reason it always gets to the folder with my tar in it
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: when it was slow, did you run 'top' to find out what was hogging your ram?
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> trying to tar the tar
[07:48] <adwait> johntramp: did it find an access concentrator?
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> lol
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ......
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: didnt even know about that
[07:48] <johntramp> adwait: no :(
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: plz go on
[07:48] <robitaille> s0n1cm0nk3y: use the --exclude option in tar to exclude the file you are tarring to.
[07:48] <adwait> johntramp: hmm..wht do u do in windows (if using dual boot) to connect?
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: well, just look at your system monitor and see what is hogging your cpu cycles.  There's a gui one in apps -> system tools -> system monitor
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> guis are nice
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but a bit over rated to me
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i dont mind console at all
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> especially with fdisk or cfdisk
[07:49] <rafter> xchat looks and acts better than chatzilla though
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill takes those over gparted any day
[07:49] <adwait> rafter: it does........but mine just doesnt like to connect to the servers :S
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: then run `top`.  It will list processes, in order of resource hogging, bigger ones on top
[07:49] <johntramp> adwait: there is no problem getting it going in windows
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> is just the command?
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> just top?
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> yep
[07:50] <adwait> johntramp: yes.but wht do u do in windows? do u start up and the connections is right there? or do u connect using some software?
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> wow
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> thats cool
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> does it auto update?
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> or is it static?
[07:50] <rafter> adwait a fw or router conf problem
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: updates
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> damn thats cool
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> wish i would have know about that
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> thanks man
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> thatll really help when i get to trudging
[07:51] <johntramp> adwait: oh it needs to be told to connect
[07:51] <optendo_> why wont it let me edit the xorg.conf files??
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: where did you learn about top
[07:51] <adwait> rafter: but chatzilla works, thats wht is confusing
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: yep.  And make sure you know about `ps` and `kill` as well, hehe
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: any book or site i can check out
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> kill is great
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> something wrong in gnome
[07:51] <adwait> johntramp: using wht? a special software? or windows dial up networking?
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: uh, unix manual.  http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> killall gnome-panel
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: there is a gui killing applet you can add to your gnome panel
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> it's quite fun
[07:52] <rafter> chatzilla use port 80 thats y
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> im good with stuff built into linux and gnome
[07:52] <adwait> ooh
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> less error margin
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but thnx
[07:52] <adwait> and irc uses 6667
[07:53] <adwait> rafter: but the problem is, it was working fine till yesterday....and since yesterday i havent changed and router config.....
[07:53] <optendo_> why can't I edit the xorg.conf file...?
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> top is sweet
[07:53] <johntramp> adwait: it isn't actually my computer, but he sais it is windows dial up networking
[07:53] <adwait> no wait......i added rules to make smtp work (which it doesnt all the same)
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: no, it's already available.  Just right-click on your panels and select "add to panel".  It's called force kill or something
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i feel like god of my linux
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> MUWAHAHAHAHAH
[07:53] <agwibowo> hello.... it's the speaker problem again... i notice that during start up... there is a little sound coming out from my speaker... does it suppose to mean anything? (the speaker does not work in ubuntu, only the headphone works)
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> cool
[07:54] <adwait> johntramp: hmm.....thn it is definitrly pppoe....but then pppoeconf should work :S....are all the connections fine?
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry, getting big headed
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill have to read that unix pdf ya sent me
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> ah, "force quit"
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sounds like fun
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> lol
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> force quit is nice
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> mplayer acts gay sometimes
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> so i have to use it
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: look at the rute book too.  It's on synaptic
[07:54] <rafter> adwait i had to try twice for xchat to connect must b busy on a friday nite
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> rute
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> or root?
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: yep.  That's why I use vlc instead most of the time.  Yes rute
[07:55] <johntramp> adwait: when it reboots it will connect fine in windows
[07:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> yeah, i use totem
[07:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> me likey
[07:55] <optendo_> adwait: can you tell me why I can not edit my xorg.conf file?
[07:55] <johntramp> adwait: so it isnt a connection problem
[07:55] <adwait> optendo_:probably because u dont have permissions
[07:55] <adwait> johntramp: hmm....
[07:55] <megabyte405> optendo_:  do a "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" in a terminal
[07:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sweet
[07:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> does it save somewhere, or do you open it like a prog?
[07:56] <megabyte405> optendo_:  then once you have it right, save, then go "ctrl-alt-backspace" to restart Xorg
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: dpkg -L it to find out where it is, and then `firefox` it
[07:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> brb, ill check the respond when i return
[07:56] <johntramp> adwait: would it be possible that a module is not loaded properly or something
[07:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> um ok
[07:57] <adwait> johntramp: u need pppoe for the connection.......and pppoeconf always looks for that b4 starting up, so if it is starting all u require is loaded up
[07:57] <johntramp> adwait: when pppoeconf is run it asks if all the ethernet devices are listed
[07:57] <adwait> johntramp: and are they?
[07:57] <rafter> s0n1cm0nk3y totem wont play a dvd for me
[07:57] <johntramp> adwait: and there is only eth0
[07:57] <adwait> johntramp: could u brief tiglionabbit abt ur problem, maybe he can help
[07:57] <agwibowo> how can i force ubuntu to reprobe all the hardware?
[07:58] <johntramp> tiglionabbit: I cant get ppp adsl going ;)
[07:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> nice command
[07:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> me likey
[07:58] <adwait> johntramp: well if theres only 1 ethernet card, then thts fine......the router is connected to the LAN port right? or the USB port?
[07:58] <tiglionabbit> oh, dsl, uh, no idea, sorry, I've only used ethernet and wireless
[07:58] <megabyte405> rafter:  make sure you install libdvdcss2 from an alternate source, then follow ubuntuguide.org's instructions for "multimedia codecs"
[07:58] <johntramp> tiglionabbit: ok
[07:58] <megabyte405> agwibowo:  it does every time you boot
[07:58] <Frafra> hi all
[07:59] <johntramp> adwait: it is a pci modem
[07:59] <Silent> tiglionabbit, dsl uses pppoe to connect - so you only need a working ethernet port, usually eth0
[07:59] <tiglionabbit> hello Frafra
[07:59] <s0n1cm0nk3y> whats the dsl question?
[07:59] <tiglionabbit> so is dsl handled the same way as ethernet lans?
[07:59] <rafter> megabyte405 thanx
[07:59] <adwait> johntramp: ooh.....hmm not much experience with a modem :p
[07:59] <nalioth> megabyte405: please see #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[07:59] <Silent> johntramp, is the PCI modem Linux supported? there might not even be drivers...
[07:59] <agwibowo> my ubuntu output the sound from wrong output port ... :(
[07:59] <adwait> sonicmonkey: he cant get a ppp adsl connection up
[07:59] <johntramp> s0n1cm0nk3y: hmm   that is my problem too , i have always used a router
[08:00] <Frafra> gcc -v | awk '{if ($1=="gcc) print "gcc version "$3}' doesn't work. Why?
[08:00] <nalioth> rafter: mind the ubuntuguide, it bites
[08:00] <johntramp> Silent: how can I tell
[08:00] <agwibowo> instead from the speaker output port, it outputs from the headphone.. and i dunno how to fix it
[08:00] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: unplug the headphones and restart?  (<-- windows answer that might work)
[08:00] <agwibowo> tiglionabbit : tried it, it doesnt work
[08:00] <tiglionabbit> I've used windows too much in my past
[08:01] <rafter> nalioth just insalled yesterday
[08:01] <Silent> there's hardware docs somewhere...
[08:01] <adwait> i am confused.........if it is using PPPOE....shouldnt a LAN card be involved?
[08:01] <adwait> PPP over ETHERNET
[08:01] <robitaille> Frafra: gcc -v | awk '{if ($1=="gcc") print "gcc version "$3}'
[08:01] <Silent> adwait, no, johntramp is using a PCI DSL modem, so no LAN card in this case
[08:01] <robitaille> Frafra:  you had a missing quote in the middle beside "gcc"
[08:02] <adwait> hmm..i thought when it said ethernet, there has to be a lan card
[08:02] <megabyte405> nalioth:  ahh, sorry.
[08:02] <agwibowo> bloody stupid... do i have to reinstall ubuntu because of this stupid headphone problem.....
[08:02] <rafter> nalioth been reading logs today taking a break
[08:02] <Frafra> robitaille: thanks :)
[08:02] <nalioth> rafter: i'd recommend using https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <adwait> agwibowo: i really doubt thts the problem....
[08:03] <rafter> nalioth thanx
[08:03] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ouch
[08:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry cant help
[08:04] <johntramp> Silent: so am I not using PPPoE?   is it PPPoA or something?
[08:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> when it comes to linux im still a n00b
[08:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but getting the connection to work, or fixing errors on routers im pretty good
[08:04] <agwibowo> hmmm i guess thats the only solution... no one here knows the answer... :(
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo
[08:05] <johntramp> agwibowo: you shouldnt have to reinstall
[08:05] <unome> agwibowo: let me ask you a stupid question, your speakers and headset both were working fine under doze?
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: no shouldnt be a problem
[08:05] <rafter> s0n1cm0nk3y u still cant connect thew xchat :(
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ?
[08:05] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: your best bet would be to post something on http://ubuntuforums.org and wait for a response
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> rafter: im in xchat
[08:05] <adwait> johntramp: it is PPPoA by definition
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ...?
[08:05] <johntramp> ok thanks adwait
[08:06] <agwibowo> unome: yes
[08:06] <rafter> s0n1cm0nk3y k wrong coversation sorry
[08:06] <s0n1cm0nk3y> rafter: lol no worries
[08:06] <johntramp> adwait: should pppoa be very easy to set up usually?  it looks like they have binary drivers on the manufactures webpage
[08:06] <agwibowo> unome: the only stupid mistake of mine was to plug in the headphone during the installation.... and now ubuntu only wants to output the sound from that port
[08:06] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: whats your isp?
[08:06] <unome> agwibowo: ok, great. Now, if you move your speakers plug to the front were the headset was pluged, do they work?
[08:07] <tiglionabbit> unome may be on to something here
[08:07] <agwibowo> s0n1cm0nk3y: my isp???? what does the internet service provider have to do with this problem????
[08:07] <adwait> johntramp: sorry i gtg.ill be back in a bit
[08:07] <freddy_> hello ppl
[08:07] <agwibowo> unome: yes
[08:07] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: ive heard issues with certain providers, and their really awkward connection specifications
[08:08] <freddy_> ok i have my wireless card pcmcia in my laptop, i can see it in the device manager....but how can i go about using it? what should i do? thanks.
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: I thought agwibowo's problem was with his sound, not his internet connection
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: when i had bellsouth dsl, knoppix didnt even get net up
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> .........
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh.......
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ummm
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> than who was the guy who had trouble with dsl?
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> that was johntramp
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> heheh
[08:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry
[08:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> temporary retardation
[08:09] <freddy_> ok i have my wireless card pcmcia in my laptop, i can see it in the device manager....but how can i go about using it? what should i do? thanks.
[08:09] <rika> hi guy!!
[08:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill just remain quiet, to recover from the retardation
[08:09] <agwibowo> unome: it works when i plug in the speaker to front... but then there would be cable lying around.... not nice.... :(
[08:09] <rika> how's to enable boot splash?
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: well first off, does the ugly system -> admin -> networking gui see it?
[08:09] <agwibowo> also, how do i know if my ati radeon acceleration works?
[08:09] <Silent> johntramp, best bet to see if your modem is supported would be to check http://www.linmodems.org/
[08:10] <Fudge> hi
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: you may want to study support for your sound card.  Google around, and post to ubuntuforums.org
[08:10] <Silent> agwibowo, run fgl_glxgears if you get 600 fps, accn works, 200fps then not
[08:10] <freddy_> tiglionabbit damn :(
[08:11] <rika> can I enable boot splash on ubuntu?
[08:11] <agwibowo> it works in the past before i format my comp... but then at that time i installed ubuntu warty, and upgrade to hoary using apt-get
[08:11] <tiglionabbit> Silent: what is that?
[08:11] <unome> agwibowo: sudo lshw and check what you have under multimedia
[08:11] <freddy_> tiglionabbit is not there...just modem and ethernet :(
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> rika: there is something in ubuntuforums.org under the beautifying and tweaking hoary section
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> rika: it's just a matter of editing your /boot/grub/menu.lst file and adding the pictures to grub's directory
[08:12] <agwibowo> unome: where can i post it?
[08:13] <Silent> tiglionabbit, it's a gl benchmark
[08:13] <unome> nalioth what's that flood page again please?
[08:13] <Fudge> hi
[08:13] <thepages3> hello
[08:13] <tiglionabbit> Silent: I don't seem to have that command..
[08:14] <Fudge> do u stand in line here or just wait to  ask a questino plz
[08:14] <rika> tiglionabbit, for grub menu is no problem, but I want splash image rather than verbose messege on startup
[08:14] <agwibowo> hmmm fgl_glxgears gives me error
[08:14] <Silent> cos u don't have the fglrx packages installed - you need them for ati h/w support
[08:14] <nalioth> unome: flood page?
[08:14] <agwibowo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:14] <agwibowo> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[08:14] <agwibowo> i have installed it
[08:14] <nalioth> Fudge: just ask
[08:14] <unome> agwibowo: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:14] <robitaille> rika: I don't think you can in Ubuntu.  At least not by default.
[08:15] <Fudge> myself and thenuke are trying to setup a ubuntu machine as a gateway for dsl
[08:15] <tiglionabbit> rika: you add a reference to the image in the menu.lst file.  Search the ubuntuforums under the hoary 5.04 customization section
[08:15] <Fudge> thepages3 i mean
[08:15] <unome> nalioth got it thanks
[08:15] <nalioth> unome we don't use #flood anymore?
[08:15] <tiglionabbit> robitaille: you can
[08:15] <unome> nalioth I was asking you about http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:15] <Silent> agwibowo, have you installed fglrx ???
[08:15] <freddy_> tiglionabbit any tip?
[08:15] <d4rksh4de> AMD 2800+   that means 2.8 GHz ?
[08:16] <rika> tiglionabbit, ok i'm there anyway :)
[08:16] <agwibowo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/365
[08:16] <unome> agwibowo: thanks
[08:16] <thepages3> I am trying to set up a router box with ubuntu os but am haveing some trouble can anyone help me in another window?
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> using splashy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709&highlight=grub+splash   and not using splashy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30341&highlight=grub+splash
[08:16] <agwibowo> unome: does it tell u anything?
[08:17] <desrt> thepages3; it's best to just ask for help in channel
[08:17] <thepages3> ko thx
[08:17] <unome> agwibowo: ATI right?
[08:17] <agwibowo> yes
[08:17] <agwibowo> unome:yes
[08:18] <Fudge> he has to answer hs phone
[08:18] <unome> agwibowo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=Error+failed+request%3A+BadMatch+%28invalid+parameter+attributes%29
[08:18] <agwibowo> unome: thx!
[08:19] <unome> agwibowo: yw
[08:20] <Silent> agwibowo, this might be a place to start understanding getting your ATI driver setup: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[08:21] <agwibowo> Silent: thx
[08:22] <optendo_> I edited my xorg.conf to have 1240x800 for my default monitor but it still doesnt show up in the resolution changer, I saved and rebooted
[08:23] <unome> !fixresolution
[08:23] <ubotu> unome: Wish i knew
[08:23] <unome> lol
[08:23] <optendo_> Unome: what?
[08:23] <optendo_> !fixresolution
[08:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, optendo_
[08:24] <unome> optendo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:24] <optendo_> ok thanks
[08:24] <GNAM> COLONY2 IS OUT!
[08:24] <cdc> my ISP is controlling the download limit i am using PPPOE so which interface should i monitor ?
[08:24] <unome> no kidding!
[08:24] <cdc> is it eth0 or ppp0?
[08:25] <unome> what's colony2?
[08:25] <GNAM> BREEZY colony2
[08:25] <GNAM> look at distrowatch
[08:25] <unome> k
[08:25] <REds> ppp0 is for pppoe
[08:25] <REds> its just a virtual interface from ur nic/usb to modem
[08:25] <robitaille> unome: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/008528.html
[08:25] <cdc> REds, i am using PPPOE for connecting to the Internet
[08:26] <jamey3> I wiped my MBR by running Windows NT Setup. I'm in "Ubuntu Installer rescue mode" and at a terminal. How do I recreate the MBR for Ubuntu? Thanks, Jamey
[08:26] <unome> rob thanks
[08:26] <REds> cdc yes
[08:26] <cdc> in that case whats the interface that i ve to monitor is it ppp0/
[08:26] <cdc> ?
[08:26] <REds> ppp0 created for pppoe
[08:26] <REds> ye
[08:26] <airmikey> how do i mount the floppy
[08:26] <unome> mount /media/floppy
[08:27] <Silent> jamey3, run 'sudo grub-install' & cross your fingers :D
[08:27] <jamey3> Silent, thank you. I was already crossing my fingers when I tried to install Windows XP on the second partition. :-)
[08:27] <airmikey> can't find /media/floppy0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:28] <unome> then reate it and add the entry to /etc/stab
[08:28] <Silent> airmikey, have you tried fdmount ?
[08:29] <airmikey>  Must run with EUID=root
[08:29] <thepages3> is there a GUI for ubuntu for setting up a routing service?
[08:29] <unome> mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 using sudo maybe?
[08:29] <jtan325> so on my 30gb hard drive for my laptop, i currently have only 7 gb allocated for ubuntu partition, and the rest is windows. i would like to allocated more for ubuntu :-) and i have about 10 gb free space on the windows partition. is there a way to do this?
[08:29] <jamey3> Silent, thanks -- it worked! Although, I installed it for the entire drive and two partitions (Ubuntu and Debian) so I've no idea what fixed it. :P
[08:30] <Silent> but there's gotta be a way to mount floppies as user, same as CDs
[08:30] <HappyFool> Silent: i think the normal /etc/fstab entry allows user mounting
[08:30] <Silent> jamey3, cool :D
[08:32] <Silent> fdmount lets non root users mount floppies
[08:32] <thepages3> anyone know if there a GUI for setting up a routing service?
[08:32] <unome> fdmount (): Must run with EUID=root
[08:32] <unome> atleast here
[08:32] <skorpyo> hi everyone
[08:33] <Silent> unome, guess again - check the man page
[08:33] <dhan123> hi
[08:33] <unome> Silent: k
[08:33] <rafter> how do u set up sudo?
[08:33] <skorpyo> i-m looking for a manual to get started anyone can help me?
[08:34] <dhan123> hi
[08:34] <Gourami> http://www.ubuntuguide.com skorpyo
[08:34] <robitaille> Gourami: please see #3 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[08:34] <robitaille> skorpyo:  you're looking for a manual to start  about Ubuntu?  Linux?
[08:35] <skorpyo> thanks gourami
[08:35] <skorpyo> i'd like to learn the basic commands robitaille
[08:35] <Gourami> http://www.ubuntuguide.org sorry
[08:36] <robitaille> skorpyo:  I personally like rute:  http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[08:36] <unome> Non-root  users  must own the directory specified as mount point.  (This does not apply for the default mount
[08:36] <unome>               points, /fd[0-3] .)
[08:36] <Fudge> hi
[08:36] <Gourami> just woke up :)
[08:36] <Fudge> :)
[08:36] <skorpyo> ok, thanks i'll check those pages
[08:36] <Silent> skorpyo, this is non ubuntu specific: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/gs.html
[08:37] <Fudge> is there something in ubuntu gui we can use to setup routing
[08:39] <jtan325> how does one resize an ext3 partition?
[08:39] <gobeavs> fdisk
[08:40] <gobeavs> I think
[08:40] <gobeavs> there is probably a better way....
[08:40] <Fudge> um lol
[08:40] <Fudge> i was in priv with dan
[08:40] <Silent> ext2resize perhaps?
 yes
[08:40] <Fudge> > ooh :)
[08:40] <Fudge> > where would we find the setup tool?
[08:40] <Fudge> [dhan123 PING]
[08:40] <Fudge> > it has two network cards in it
[08:40] <Fudge> DCC session closed
[08:40] <d4rksh4de> Is AMD 2800+ speed 2.8 GHz ?
[08:41] <Fudge> that is a little confusing
[08:41] <unome> jtan325: gparted?
[08:41] <Silent> d4rksh4de, nope, no way
[08:41] <jtan325> hmm i'll look into those, thanks
[08:41] <Gourami> d4rksh4de nope 2600
[08:41] <d4rksh4de> Silent> then what?
[08:41] <HappyFool> d4rksh4de: not sure. try 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' to see
[08:42] <d4rksh4de> HappyFool> i dont have this processor :P
[08:42] <Silent> and /proc/cpufreq too..
[08:42] <Fudge> where in the gui can we setup ip routing plz
[08:42] <jamey3> d4rksh4de, no a 2800+ has a clock speed of about 2.25 GHz
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> no
[08:42] <unome> d4rksh4de: oufcourse not AMD clocking is nothing like Intel's
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> 2.06
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> but it has more cache
[08:43] <Silent> Fudge, I know this wasn't what you asked, but 'route add' is straightforward, no need for gui
[08:43] <d4rksh4de> unome> so, P4 3 GHz is much better?
[08:43] <unome> d4rksh4de: 2800+ tells you it can put up with an intel chip runing at that speed but the actual clock is lower
[08:43] <Fudge> o_o oh that is good then
[08:43] <unome> d4rksh4de: visit hardforum.com ...
[08:43] <Silent> d4rksh4de, ho ho ho - clock speed has nothing to do with performance :)
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> in any case if you're talking about an athlong64
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> athlon64
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> it's bettter than a P4 in most ways
[08:44] <d4rksh4de> Silent> so which is better P4 3 GHz or AMD Sempron 2800+ ?
[08:44] <Juhaz> athlons have much better IPC so they don't need to be clocked as high to be just as fast.
[08:44] <jamey3> d4rksh4de, yeah you could pit a 2800+ up against a 2.8 GHz Intel and it would do well
[08:44] <unome> look AMD 64 venice running at 1.8 can fsck an intel running at 2.5
[08:45] <gobeavs> what does IPC stand for?
[08:45] <Silent> d4rksh4de, if you want spec marks, go to http://www.tomshardware.com
[08:45] <unome> d4rksh4de: if you are a gamer go AMD, just make sure you get air flow in the box, AMD runs hot (athlon)
[08:45] <Juhaz> instructions per clock
[08:45] <Fudge> its running through a billion 711
[08:45] <gobeavs> oh
[08:46] <Fudge> not sure on exact gateway addi
[08:46] <gobeavs> ya, but Athlon XP rating system is messed up
[08:46] <Silent> unome, compared to Intels, Athlons are very chill
[08:46] <gobeavs> P4 2.4 "C" can beat an Athlon XP 2800+
[08:46] <Silent> gobeavs, depends on the spec... but for games, no way
[08:46] <unome> Silent: well depends on what heatsink/fan and case cooling we're talking
[08:47] <gobeavs> I can't remember specifics, but I know that is the case for the A64s....not sure about Athlon XP's
[08:47] <desrt> Silent; no.  amd is quite a lot hotter
[08:47] <gobeavs> and Athlon XP's do run hot
[08:47] <Fudge> is the gatway the nic going to the modem or to the switch
[08:47] <HrdwrBoB> the athlon64 has coolnquiet
[08:47] <Juhaz> desrt, not true
[08:47] <HrdwrBoB> which will clock it down when not in use
[08:47] <gobeavs> its the current generation Intel Presscots that are heaters
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> my athlon64 CPU fan literally spends most of its time stopped
[08:48] <gobeavs> It depends on which AMD - Athlon XP = hot    Athlon 64 = cooler
[08:48] <unome> d4rksh4de: hardforum.com cpu section has tons of great info for you before you make up your mind on what to buy
[08:48] <Silent> when did we start talking about XPs? it's P4 vs A64 these days
[08:48] <desrt> i've never owned a 64... only a pair of athlon MPs
[08:48] <desrt> those suckers were freakin' hot
[08:48] <unome> lol
[08:48] <jamey3> AMD Athlon XP-M chips run very cool in comparison
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> XP warm, P4 = host, A64 = cool
[08:49] <d4rksh4de> unome> ok
[08:49] <Fudge> im getting this hp dual slot 1 board, hope it runs nix nicly
[08:49] <gobeavs> someone said something about an AMD 2800+
[08:49] <gobeavs> I assume that is an Athlon XP
[08:49] <jamey3> Many people opted for the XP-M 2500+ chip a while back which allowed complete control over FSB and multiplier. (I know I did)
[08:49] <unome> well, if it's hot cool it and OC it until it starts fuming hehehe
[08:49] <airmikey> how do i fix this---> line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad
[08:49] <airmikey> mount: can't find /media/floppy0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:49] <jamey3> The Athlon XP-M 2500+ was cheap (at the time) and allowed an easy overclock to 3200+ equivalent performance.
[08:49] <HappyFool> airmikey: what does line 9 look like then?
[08:49] <unome> airmikey: /media/floppy0 exists?
[08:50] <HrdwrBoB> airmikey: don't use your floppy drive
[08:50] <gobeavs> peltier cooling :D. I heard someone OVERCOOLED a CPU using a peltier cooler, cracked it because it was too cold
[08:50] <Silent> airmikey, post line 9
[08:50] <airmikey> lol
[08:50] <airmikey> where is it
[08:50] <airmikey> how do  i get to it
[08:50] <HappyFool> airmikey: 'cat -n /etc/fstab'
[08:50] <unome> airmikey: you need to create it if it doesnt exist
[08:50] <HappyFool> the first column will be line numbers
[08:51] <airmikey> no such file
[08:51] <HappyFool> no /etc/fstab ?
[08:52] <Juhaz> what's nuts is that there are at least four different 2800+'s, XP, 64 and two totally different semprons
[08:52] <airmikey>  9  /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 vfat,ext2 ....    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[08:52] <Silent> what's with the "...." ?
[08:53] <airmikey> i was in google  and that was what some guy used to get his floppy mounted
[08:53] <HappyFool> the ... is wrong
[08:53] <airmikey> at least so he said
[08:54] <Silent> airmikey, he lies - just delete this line & use fdmount instead
[08:54] <unome> shoud be auto <tab> auto.owner
[08:54] <HappyFool> he was probably indicating space, or allowing for other filesystem types. or just wrong.
[08:54] <gobeavs> Juhaz: that doesn't even compare to Intel and their naming schemes
[08:54] <airmikey> lol
[08:54] <HappyFool> remove the ... and it (might) work
[08:54] <gobeavs> Juhaz: 2.0 ghz "A", 2.4 ghz "B", 2.4 ghz "C", 3.0 ghz "EE", 3.0 ghz "C", 3.06 ghz, 3.0 ghz "E"......
[08:54] <airmikey> i forger how to get back there to edit
[08:55] <HappyFool> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:55] <HappyFool> or sudo gedit /etc/fstab, if you're in graphical mode
[08:55] <cmatheson> hey, my ~/.Xdefaults doesn't seem to be getting read... is there something i have to do to make programs recognize it?
[08:55] <unome>  /dev/fd0 <TAB> /mnt/floppy <TAB> auto <TAB> auto.owner <TAB> 0 0
[08:56] <HappyFool> i thought mount options were separated with a comma, not a period?
[08:57] <unome> is it?
[08:57] <unome> check what you got
[08:58] <airmikey> ahhhhhhhhhhhh what do u know i got floppy
[08:59] <airmikey> wow
[08:59] <airmikey> thx guys
[09:09] <jtan325_> what's the best way to resize an ntfs partition?
[09:09] <jtan325_> right now i am dual booting on my laptop with windows and ubuntu, i would like to decrease disk space for windows and allocate more for windows
[09:10] <jtan325_> i am looking at gparted and qparted, it seems like qparted will resize, but gparted won't
[09:10] <jtan325_> but gparted will resize the the linux partition (ext3)
[09:11] <jtan325_> any ideas?
[09:12] <onno> When I play a movie it won't go to full screen, what should I do to get full screen?
[09:13] <hyphenated> onno: which movie player?
[09:15] <onno> All of them
[09:15] <onno> even when I start the movie via command line (mplayer
[09:15] <onno> hyphenated, I installed all libs
[09:16] <IRFAN> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[09:16] <hyphenated> onno: if you're using mplayer, you can either use the -fs option, or press F while the movie is playing
[09:16] <hyphenated> (or change your mplayer config file so it defaults to fullscreen)
[09:17] <onno> I know but when I do that the screen maxes out but the picture still is a squere in the middle
[09:18] <orangerange> Hello, how can i switch from a fullscreen window (VisualBoyAdvance) back to the desktop?
[09:18] <hyphenated> onno: ah. I've had that before. try -vo xv
[09:19] <hyphenated> onno: that tells it to use the "xv" driver, instead of whatever it defaults to ("x11" driver maybe)
[09:21] <onno> mplayer -vo vx
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> xv
[09:21] <onno> besides Totem always crashes on start up!
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> onno: totem-xine?
[09:21] <onno> totem-gstreamer
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> try apt-get install totem-xine
[09:22] <onno> ok
[09:23] <d4rksh4de> im having also problems with totem
[09:23] <d4rksh4de> "recource busy or not availabel"
[09:24] <onno> d4rksh4de, i awlays get that on many computers where I install ubuntu... Installing Xine seems to help
[09:25] <airmikey> ok guys jus came from root but still cant format floppy
[09:26] <HappyFool> using fdformat?
[09:26] <airmikey> whats the trick
[09:27] <HappyFool> what command are you issuing, and what error message do you get?
[09:28] <airmikey> jus opening uo floppy and trying to delete some files
[09:28] <sensayshun> Can someone please help me install gDesklets?
[09:28] <HappyFool> airmikey: what error message do you get?
[09:28] <airmikey> i dont have permission
[09:29] <zhLilDoggi> t
[09:30] <HappyFool> airmikey: what command did you use to mount the floppy ?
[09:30] <freddy_> omg, wireless card installed, i can see it in the network monitor, i can see it in system/admin/network as a device....but i cant seem to get it working...it hangs on Idle :(
[09:31] <freddy_> i even get the sygnal strenght
[09:31] <freddy_> :(
[09:31] <freddy_> any thoughts?
[09:31] <airmikey> sudo mount /media/floppy0
[09:31] <HappyFool> airmikey: try 'sudo umount /media/floppy0' and then 'mount /media/floppy0'
[09:31] <hyphenated> freddy_: try using 'network-admin' to configure the connection
[09:31] <sensayshun> HappyFool, can he not just delete using a sudo command? That's what I'm trying to learn how to do
[09:31] <HappyFool> airmikey: by using sudo, you've mounted the floppy as root. It should be mountable as a normal user. If that doesn't work, investigate the fdmount command Silent suggested
[09:32] <HappyFool> sensayshun: i believe he's trying to use nautilus to delete the files
[09:32] <freddy_> i used it hyphenated :( the wireless connections is there....and it sayas active...on wlan0.....but i cant get any inet :(
[09:32] <sensayshun> HappyFool, ok just thought i'd interrupt :P
[09:32] <sensayshun> HappyFool, you wouldn't happen to know the command to delete thing through terminal would you?
[09:33] <hyphenated> freddy_: in a shell, type in: iwconfig
[09:33] <HappyFool> sensayshun: the delete command is 'rm'
[09:33] <sensayshun> thanks
[09:33] <Fr0Gs> does anyone have an account with cedega?
[09:33] <HappyFool> sensayshun: as in 'ReMove'
[09:33] <julo> hi
[09:33] <HappyFool> sensayshun: be careful combining 'sudo' and 'rm' ;)
[09:33] <hyphenated> freddy_: it'll tell you the status for that interface. if it says unassociated, then you probably need to move closer to the AP
[09:34] <airmikey> floppy wont unmount
[09:34] <airmikey> lol
[09:34] <Fr0Gs> does anyone have an account with transgaming?
[09:34] <sensayshun> HappyFool, will do :) But it won't let me delete a folder
[09:34] <holycow> yes, would you like to use mine?>
[09:34] <holycow> >_>
[09:34] <holycow> wtf is this? a warez chan?
[09:34] <julo> I'm running breezy, and I something seems odd (not surprisingly from a work in progress). It seems that applications are translated, but GTK itself isn't. Is it expected ?
[09:34] <holycow> -_-
[09:34] <hyphenated> holycow: no, it's an anime smileys channel ;-)
[09:35] <holycow> oh right
[09:35] <iluciv> hi I have a problem with the Xwindow system; I'm unable to right click and open a terminal that works? I just get the window and this error statement "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" also if I try to open user groups tab I get "Could not execute the backend" then the same child error. I know it is prolly some database error but which? how do I toubleshoot this?
[09:35] <holycow> d-_-b
[09:35] <Jesse1> :( still no windows media 10 codec for ubuntu :(
[09:35] <holycow> Jesse1, call microsoft, i think they have something to do with that
[09:36] <holycow> i have some serious doubts that we will be able to watch microsoft media player stuff too much longer into the future
[09:36] <holycow> the drm stuff will be hard to hack
[09:36] <Jesse1> well that sucks
[09:37] <HappyFool> sensayshun: use 'rm -r' to delete folders
[09:37] <holycow> not really, what sucks is that microsoft users don't understand that there are users of other operating systems and insist on encoding in proprietary formats
[09:37] <sensayshun> HappyFool, thank-you
[09:37] <holycow> its kind of weird, it's like they insist on keeping them selves in jail
[09:37] <HappyFool> julo: you're kind of on your own with breezy, afaik.
[09:38] <HappyFool> iluciv: not sure why you think it's a database error. Try switching to a text console (Ctl-Alt-F1), log in, and look at .xsession-errors
[09:38] <desrt> i don't think linux users 'get it'
[09:39] <holycow> iluciv, weird, what is the config of system?
[09:39] <holycow> desrt, oh linux users get it
[09:39] <desrt> for most people, using windows isn't this terrible thing
[09:39] <desrt> they just don't care, at all
[09:39] <holycow> its windows users that insist that linux has to be like windows
[09:39] <desrt> they don't use microsoft tools on purpose
[09:39] <holycow> to which we just say, go ahead and keep using windows
[09:39] <desrt> they use them because they're there
[09:39] <holycow> exactly
[09:39] <holycow> and frankly
[09:39] <holycow> no one cares
[09:39] <holycow> linux doesn't exist to put ms out of business
[09:39] <holycow> linux exists for as many reasons as there are users
[09:40] <FlannelKing> We will always be able to get around DRM, dont you worry
[09:40] <desrt> well, then it's not "like they insist on keeping themselves in jail"
[09:40] <holycow> and that my friend, is a beautiful thing
[09:40] <desrt> they just don't care as much as you do
[09:40] <holycow> desrt, oh it is, they have gotten accustomed to their jail
[09:40] <holycow> they have decorated it
[09:40] <holycow> added a patio
[09:40] <sensayshun> holycow, :D
[09:40] <holycow> when you explain to them that hey look at that open field, your free over there
[09:40] <holycow> they are afraid
[09:40] <desrt> who do you think you are?  rms? :)
[09:41] <FlannelKing> Proprietary products are not a bad thing, closed formats are arguable, the thing that'll get most users is the spyware/viruses/etc
[09:41] <holycow> afraid that the nice open and free field will not have doilies on the coffee tables
[09:41] <iluciv> holycow: ahem.. (just compiled vanilla kern <IP_ADDRESS>) and thus getting such error I thought it would be database error cause child parent terms
[09:41] <gobeavs> hehe...just figured out that I live within like 20 minutes of Linus Torvalds :-P
[09:41] <FlannelKing> People don't mind paying for things
[09:41] <desrt> FlannelKing; ya.
[09:41] <HappyFool> iluciv: what database?
[09:41] <holycow> iluciv, well then your on your own, the reason for using a debian based distro is to never haveto do that
[09:41] <holycow> :)
[09:41] <desrt> gobeavs; put out a hit
[09:41] <Jesse1> lol this thing is scrolling to fast for me to read
[09:41] <desrt> gobeavs; billg will thank you :)
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> I doubt we'll be able to get around all DRM, really. - There are now games on the market that are not crackable, for instance.
[09:42] <HappyFool> good morning Seveas
[09:42] <desrt> "not crackable"?
[09:42] <Seveas> mornin!
[09:42] <holycow> desrt, i'm just a realistic and honest linux user.  i once was entombed in the microsoft world
[09:42] <FlannelKing> Not hackable is like bubbling "always" on a multiple choice test.
[09:42] <holycow> i once thought 'screw it everyone has ie, just build a website for ie and everything is good'
[09:42] <desrt> HiddenWolf; is this just like how the xbox was  not crackable?
[09:42] <iluciv> holycow: I needed to get tv-card recognised thus complie
[09:42] <holycow> then they let me out of the cage
[09:42] <Jesse1> HiddenWolf, for instance?
[09:42] <holycow> it was scary for a while but one day i pass the no turning point
[09:42] <xxenon> HiddenWolf - not crackable ? hmmm---
[09:42] <iluciv> holycow:tvcard works great now btw :P
[09:43] <desrt> if you can play it you can copy it :)
[09:43] <holycow> i shall never be going back to the jail again, even if i haveto live in a teepee for the time being
[09:43] <holycow> :)
[09:43] <holycow> iluciv, ah neat, what tv card?
[09:43] <FlannelKing> thats a problem though, holycow, you see it as a jail.  It's become a conviction for you, and now you are going to be blinded by it
[09:43] <desrt> FlannelKing; right on.
[09:44] <holycow> FlannelKing, you cannot be blinded when you are aware of both sides
[09:44] <iluciv> compro video mate gold+ and visionplus dvb-t (analogue and digital viewing bliss) :)
[09:44] <holycow> i'm outside now, i've been inside i know what it means
[09:44] <holycow> the average windows user doesn't
[09:44] <desrt> holycow; most people on the 'inside' don't think like you :)
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> xxenon; starforce protected games, and games using a combination of technologies.
[09:44] <holycow> right
[09:44] <FlannelKing> You're not though, you're already leaning towards becoming a fanboy
[09:44] <holycow> as per my example
[09:44] <holycow> they are conditioned to believe their jail is home
[09:44] <holycow> afterall
[09:45] <holycow> they have doilies on the coffee table
[09:45] <holycow> fanboy of what?
[09:45] <holycow> freedom?
[09:45] <holycow> then a fanboy i am
[09:45] <Jesse1> lol
[09:45] <holycow> gimme bsd, gimme freedom, whatever
[09:45] <holycow> :) i ain't goin back
[09:45] <FlannelKing> And as such, you're already impossible to reason with.
[09:46] <holycow> no i'm impossible to brainwash, you will notice that i am not trying to convince you of anything
[09:46] <holycow> i'm merely pontificating
[09:46] <holycow> you are free to disagree or whatever
[09:46] <desrt> holycow; plz don't join the marketing team :)
[09:46] <holycow> you are simply offended that i have a view
[09:46] <holycow> a very strong and clear view
[09:46] <holycow> people who say things like 'impossible to reason with' never really attempt to reason at all
[09:47] <desrt> what timezone are you in?
[09:47] <FlannelKing> No, youre mistaking your 'different' view with a broad and understanding view, and in effect, becoming narrow minded
[09:47] <holycow> mostly because youve never been in a position to, you cannot reason with an editorial because its an editorial not an argument
[09:47] <Juhaz> HiddenWolf, starforce has been cracked, as have combo games
[09:47] <holycow> i'm happy you cannot imagine that someone can possibly see things differently from you
[09:48] <Jesse1> does bf2 have a linux port?
[09:48] <holycow> because what you are really saying is
[09:48] <FlannelKing> Hiddenwolf, nothing will ever be hackproof, just difficult to circumvent
[09:48] <holycow> if i agree with you i'm being reasonabler
[09:48] <holycow> if i don't aggree with you i'm being unreasonable
[09:48] <holycow> well guess what?
[09:48] <holycow> i don't give a damn :)
[09:49] <d4rksh4de> anybody knows which game needs the highest system requirements?
[09:49] <holycow> desrt, i would never join the marketing team, i think what ubuntu is doing is great, my views would only polute something very diplomatic
[09:49] <wizo|out> evening gentlemen
[09:49] <airmikey> im downloading files to a floppy but windows doesnt reconize files ..how do i fix this
[09:49] <Jesse1> d4rksh4de, bf2 needs the hightest syste, requirements
[09:49] <gundee> holycow: 8 of 10 Terrorists prefer Linux ! What do you say now !? ;)
[09:49] <jo> d4rksh4de do you wont the test the speed for your pc?
[09:49] <HappyFool> airmikey: what files doesn't it recognize?
[09:50] <d4rksh4de> jo no
[09:50] <FlannelKing> d4rkshade, Google says Farcry
[09:50] <holycow> gundee, lol, american military uses linux too
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> Juhaz, not when I last checked...
[09:50] <d4rksh4de> Jesse1> battle field 2?
[09:50] <sensayshun> I need help installing UT2004
[09:50] <Jesse1> d4rksh4de, yes
[09:50] <holycow> FlannelKing, some things are hack proof
[09:50] <FlannelKing> d4rksh4de, Google says Farcry
[09:50] <holycow> FlannelKing, really really realy large passwords are unhackable
[09:50] <sensayshun> it comes with a linux-installer.sh     So i do sudo sh ./linux-installer.sh
[09:50] <poningru> guys how do I shorten the panels?
[09:50] <d4rksh4de> FlannelKing> ok
[09:50] <jo> its fun i was in doom3 doint no the game but i was walking to fast i loos all the player
[09:50] <sensayshun> and it gives me an error
[09:51] <gobeavs> they aren't unhackable...it just takes a long time
[09:51] <FlannelKing> No, they arent, they are just more difficult than something else, and as such, take a long time.
[09:51] <poningru> they are 25pxs high
[09:51] <Jesse1> FlannelKing, that must be old now
[09:51] <poningru> how do I make them short
[09:51] <poningru> er
[09:51] <FlannelKing> Jessel, I don't know, but thats what google says.  Also says to check HardOCP, see what they say
[09:51] <jtan325_> how does one resize an ext3 partition? it seems like i have to unmount the current linux partition i'm on, but how would i do that....
[09:51] <Seveas> holycow, don't mix up unhackable and unfeasible, both have the same effect but some people are going to barf about the difference :)
[09:51] <jo> UT2004 runs nice in gentoo
[09:51] <holycow> Seveas, oh very good point
[09:52] <holycow> okay :)
[09:52] <jo> on amd64 bit to
[09:52] <poningru> jtan325_: use partition magic on a livecd
[09:52] <wizo> er, ok, after loading the nvidia drivers, my ubuntu doesnt work anymore
[09:52] <poningru> wizo: switch back
[09:52] <wizo> how?
[09:52] <poningru> can you operate on a strictly cli?
[09:52] <wizo> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:53] <wizo> strictly cli?
[09:53] <jo> wizo wait
[09:53] <poningru> um how did you try that?
[09:53] <d4rksh4de> is ATI Radeon 9550 DDR TV-out DVI  good videocard?
[09:53] <wizo> recovery mode
[09:53] <poningru> oh I have no clue
[09:53] <poningru> wait for jo
[09:53] <wizo> jo: ok
[09:53] <wizo> thx anyway poningru
[09:53] <HappyFool> recovery mode is command-line interface (cli)
[09:53] <jo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:53] <jo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[09:53] <jo> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[09:53] <jo> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:53] <jo> sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[09:53] <jo> [Desktop Entry]
[09:53] <jo> Name=NVIDIA Settings
[09:53] <jo> Comment=NVIDIA Settings
[09:53] <jo> Exec=nvidia-settings
[09:53] <jo> Icon=
[09:53] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:53] <jo> Terminal=false
[09:54] <jo> Type=Application
[09:54] <poningru> dude #flood
[09:54] <jo> Categories=Application;System;
[09:54] <HappyFool> please don't paste here
[09:54] <FlannelKing> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:54] <wizo> too late
[09:54] <Seveas> I'm getting soooo tired of her
[09:55] <HappyFool> wizo: how did you install the nvidia driver?
[09:55] <Madpilot> Seveas: a bit too much cutting & pasting?
[09:55] <wizo> like wad jo pasted up there
[09:55] <wizo> thats how i did it
[09:55] <Seveas> Madpilot, a bit too clueless :)
[09:55] <HappyFool> wizo: and what happens when you tried to restart X ?
[09:55] <wizo> well, i did it the ubuntuguide way
[09:56] <Madpilot> it's good to be back here - just spent ten days computerless while my mobo was being replaced...
[09:56] <wizo> when i tried to restart X
[09:56] <wizo> i got the starting up screen, loading modules and stuff
[09:56] <wizo> then after that a really really black screen, it doesnt get to the login page
[09:56] <Juhaz> HiddenWolf, you haven't checked very thoroughly then.
[09:57] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. ok, you're in recovery mode now?
[09:57] <wizo> err nope
[09:57] <wizo> in windows
[09:57] <HappyFool> wizo: ah, fair enough
[09:57] <wizo> i only got 1 harddrive to share =(
[09:57] <Madpilot> someone pls remind me what the command is to get U to display grphx driver in use?
[09:59] <HappyFool> wizo: you can try 'nvidia-glx-config disable' to disable driver in X, afaik
[09:59] <wizo> oo ok
[09:59] <HappyFool> wizo: you won't need 'sudo' if in recovery mode
[09:59] <wizo> oh yea, its root
[09:59] <wizo> ok
[09:59] <wizo> im gonna to try that
[09:59] <HappyFool> wizo: if you'd like to debug the error, you can look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:00] <Juhaz> HiddenWolf, not even starforce developers themselves go as far as to claim it's impossible, nothing is, only that it's very hard and takes much longer, instead of crack being out the same day game goes gold
[10:00] <wizo> hmm ok
[10:00] <wizo> thx
[10:00] <wizo> bbl
[10:02] <HappyFool> Madpilot: you mean maybe 'glxinfo' ?
[10:03] <Madpilot> HappyFool: that sounds right. just a sec...
[10:03] <Seveas> glxinfo just checks if it is in use
[10:04] <Seveas> if it is an nvidia car: nvidia-glx-enable
[10:04] <Seveas> card*
[10:04] <IceDC571> is ntfs writing safe to use yet?
[10:04] <Madpilot> Seveas: it's an ATI. there's a cmnd that just reports the drivers in use, isn't there?
[10:05] <ticktoc> looking for graphical screencapture (like xgrab) that will grab a window, secton of the screen, or the entire window..  The catch is, I use windowmaker but Gnome was the default WMgr at install time..  I want to avoid KDE apps if at all possible...  I found source for gnome app (purrr(?)) but dont' want to compile if there is another alternamtive..
[10:05] <Seveas> Madpilot, yes, and that indeed is glxinfo :)
[10:05] <HappyFool> ticktoc: doesn't gimp do screen capture? and people were mentioning imagemagick for screen capture yesterday, though I'm not sure about that
[10:05] <Seveas> ticktoc, gnome-screenshot
[10:05] <Seveas> or gimp
[10:06] <xoz> apt-cache search screen capture
[10:06] <ticktoc> only full screen caputes and its way too much overkill..
[10:06] <HappyFool> so crop the captured image ;)
[10:06] <Seveas> ticktoc, gnome-screenshot --window
[10:06] <Seveas> :)
[10:06] <ticktoc> no thaks...  i used xgrab/xgrabc for a long time in mdk and liked it..
[10:07] <ticktoc> uummm...  does that give you a choice of open windows to select from?
[10:07] <ticktoc> (my dt is alwasy cluttered..)
[10:08] <Seveas> gnome-screenshot --window --delay 3
[10:08] <Seveas> and you have 3 seconds :)
[10:08] <trevor> hello, does anyone know whether SANE supports HP 4500c scanners yet?
[10:08] <ticktoc> to pick which window I want?
[10:08] <Seveas> ticktoc, indeed
[10:08] <Seveas> Too bad there is no manpage for gnome-screenshot, I guessed these parameters :)
[10:08] <ticktoc> ok...  but i still would like to pick a rectangle area of any size..
[10:09] <ticktoc> good guess man.. but they are sorta generic lookin..
[10:09] <Juhaz> no manpage, but it does have --help which has all of those
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> for glxgears is 760 FPS very good?

[10:09] <Seveas> Juhaz, lol, ty :0
[10:09] <unome> tiglionabbit: no
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> unome: what is?
[10:09] <trevor>  does anyone know whether SANE supports HP 4500c scanners yet?
[10:10] <ticktoc> well...  let me get it installed and play with it.. thanks for the ideas...
[10:10] <tiglionabbit> unome: heheh, I have the worst graphics chipset ever made.  Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[10:10] <unome> tiglionabbit: 35227 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7045.400 FPS
[10:10] <Seveas> not bad :)
[10:11] <unome> :)
[10:11] <trevor>  does anyone know whether SANE supports HP 4500c scanners yet?
[10:11] <Madpilot> unome: wow. what grx card & stuff?
[10:11] <xoz> trevor: better google that kind of fact
[10:11] <Madpilot> trevor: www.google.com
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> unome: it goes 3573 FPS when I hide it behind a window
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> =P
[10:11] <unome> Madpilot: just ol 6600 GT OC
[10:11] <unome> tiglionabbit: really?
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> yeah, blame smart raytracers
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> I mean blame it not needing to render anything
[10:12] <xoz> virtual rendering
[10:12] <unome> Madpilot: running an old 2100+ at 2700+ speeds, nothing fancy.
[10:13] <tiglionabbit> man I need to get a laptop with a real graphics card in it.  Think Toshiba is good?
[10:13] <Madpilot> unome: nice numbers. My ATI 9600XT 256Mb gets ~2000fps, peaks at ~2600fps
[10:13] <unome> tiglionabbit: brands dont matter, it's what's under the hood ;-)
[10:14] <unome> Madpilot: what mobo and cpu?
[10:15] <Madpilot> unome: AMD XP-M 2500+ (OC'd to about 1.9Ghz right now) & Asus A7N8X-E Dlx mobo
[10:15] <tiglionabbit> unome: yes but people tend to know brands for quality parts that don't fall apart, or are reasonably priced.  For instance, Acer sucks, and I own one, and am angry at myself for buying it
[10:15] <unome> 9600XT owns my 6600GT OC in any benchmark, you got a good old mobo too, weird
[10:16] <Madpilot> for laptops (if you can afford it) go Sony. My father's new Vaio is pretty sweet.
[10:16] <xoz> toshiba is not really popular in japan
[10:17] <unome> tiglionabbit: go alienware if you're rich ;)
[10:17] <Madpilot> unome: <shrug> I've heard (here, actually) that glxgears is a bit odd, and not really reliable for benchmarking...
[10:17] <unome> Madpilot: true, it's just to make sure your driver is working fine, tis all.
[10:18] <tiglionabbit> unome: I'm not rich, and alienware costs shitloads and I don't think they make a tablet pc.  I want a tablet screen
[10:18] <Madpilot> unome: and real 3d stuff - Scorched3d, etc - runs just fine...
[10:19] <HappyFool> scorched3d ? what's that?
[10:19] <unome> tiglionabbit: http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Area-51m_7700/area-51m_7700_features.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AREA51-M-7700&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
[10:19] <IceDC571> lol alienware....
[10:19] <IceDC571> dont you think thats a bit overkill?
[10:19] <HappyFool> heh. cool, 3d scorched earth!
[10:19] <wizo> ok im back
[10:20] <IceDC571> i would only waste that much on a powerbook
[10:20] <wizo> and... the error is.. it cant find my screen
[10:20] <Madpilot> HappyFool: yes, it's very cool. goofily addictive, which is the sign of a really great game...
[10:20] <IceDC571> what the hell is M$ doing these days?
[10:20] <HappyFool> Madpilot: am about to download it to reduce productivity at my workplace
[10:20] <iluciv> does anyone know of a desktop system monitor for ubuntu gnome??
[10:21] <HappyFool> wizo: hm. graphical login worked before you setup the nvidia drivers, right?
[10:21] <Madpilot> Reduced productivity is what computers are actually *for*, aren't they?
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: MS is working on windows 2007, antispyware, and a painting program, last I checked
[10:22] <HappyFool> Madpilot: that and CFD simulation of bubble movement in guinness
[10:22] <unome> MS ::spit::
[10:22] <wizo> HappyFool: rite
[10:23] <IceDC571> has anyone walked into their local apple store lately? have you seen those lovely huge cinema displays they just released?
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: and figuring out how to get people's money with xbox 360's online interface
[10:23] <unome> IceDC571: dont remind me
[10:23] <Madpilot> HappyFool: time wasting & beer. this is why I love computers! :)
[10:23] <Kimppa> Hello
[10:23] <holycow> ms is doing what it has done best
[10:23] <IceDC571> i mean these screens were huge... i was so amazed
[10:23] <holycow> it lest the small companies do market research for them
[10:24] <Kimppa> is there any CLI mp3-player I could use for broadcasting?
[10:24] <unome> no doubt.
[10:24] <holycow> then either buys them up, or muscles in on their territory if there is enough money in it
[10:24] <Madpilot> IceDC571: those big 22" flatscreens? Very sweet looking. $$$$$$, tho
[10:24] <HappyFool> wizo: odd. did you try disabling nvidia yet?
[10:24] <wizo> yupz
[10:24] <benplaut> g'night everyone
[10:24] <unome> very blingbling
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> Kimppa: uh..  mplayer?
[10:24] <unome> nite ben
[10:24] <wizo> i did wad u told me to do
[10:24] <HappyFool> wizo: and? working yet?
[10:24] <wizo> nope
[10:25] <HappyFool> wizo: doh
[10:25] <wizo> -sigh- and i really cant be bothered reinstalling it
[10:25] <HappyFool> wizo: you said you ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:25] <IceDC571> yeah i was surprised apple is making very good cinema displays, not some other 3rd party company.. i wonder why M$ doesnt make any hardware like that
[10:25] <wizo> ahh yeh i did that as well
[10:25] <holycow> IceDC571, they will if there is enough money in it for them
[10:26] <holycow> i'm surprised we haven't seen mac like hardware control over pcs by ms
[10:26] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. i'm unfortunately not an X guru. I can take a look at your xserver config file and try to help
[10:26] <HappyFool> wizo: you're in windows now, right?
[10:26] <Kimppa> tiglionabbit: umm.. are you sure I can use it for broadcasting?
[10:26] <wizo> yupz
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> Kimppa: no idea, but probably somehow
[10:26] <wizo> im in windows now
[10:26] <IceDC571> its like they release software, update it a little and name it something with the current year
[10:26] <holycow> wizo, all cool, what kinda hardware is your box?
[10:26] <wizo> im using a laptop btw
[10:26] <xoz> apple screen is either made by sony or philips
[10:27] <HappyFool> wizo: this windows app: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm  will let you read files on your linux partition
[10:27] <wizo> heh, a disgraceful one
[10:27] <holycow> wizo, i thought so
[10:27] <holycow> what kind of laptop?
[10:27] <wizo> toshiba
[10:27] <holycow> and what kinda vid card?
[10:27] <wizo> =s
[10:27] <holycow> what model toshiba?
[10:27] <wizo> 16mb nvidia geforce 2 go >.<
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: just like Macromedia.  Did you know that Flash 1 had all of the features anyone ever needed in Flash?  And that's before Macromedia even aquired the program from some mac developer dude
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> I mean, from FutureSplash
[10:27] <holycow> hmmm, that doesnt sound too bad
[10:27] <wizo> satellite 3000
[10:27] <holycow> oh one of the new ones
[10:27] <wizo> 4th year this year
[10:28] <holycow> oh wait right
[10:28] <holycow> ha
[10:28] <IceDC571> HappyFool: is there windows software that will also write to ext partitions?
[10:28] <holycow> sattelites are discontinued
[10:28] <HappyFool> wizo: would you mind installing it, copying the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your windows drive and pasting its contents to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:28] <HappyFool> IceDC571: i think ext2fsd (something like that) might be able to write to ext2, but not ext3
[10:28] <wizo> heh of coz i dun
[10:28] <wizo> so i downloaded a movie in linux~~~
[10:28] <wizo> and~~ i can move it to windows?!?
[10:29] <IceDC571> im trying to get my external hard drive a decent filesystem but i'll be moving it around to linux and windows machines, so i need an fs that can handle both
[10:29] <unome> why not?
[10:29] <holycow> wizo, what is your windows partition?
[10:29] <holycow> what is your linux file system?
[10:29] <wizo> erm
[10:29] <holycow> if its ntfs you wont be able to write to it so
[10:29] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: fat32
[10:29] <HappyFool> wizo: you can copy most files with that utility. I've had problems with very large files (>500MB)
[10:29] <wizo> wubdows is NTFS and linux is on ext3 =(
[10:29] <holycow> you will need to find a windows software for reading linux file systems
[10:30] <HappyFool> holycow: that is what i've pointed him to
[10:30] <holycow> check fresh meat, i think i saw a ext3 capable reader on it
[10:30] <HappyFool> wizo: that is fine, it should work
[10:30] <IceDC571> alright i will
[10:30] <holycow> HappyFool, oh okay, ignore me then :)
[10:30] <wizo> oh sick HappyFool
[10:30] <wizo> i saw smth on the net about being able to write to ntfs the other day
[10:30] <wizo> from linux
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> wizo: the support is dodgy and incomplete, not reliable..  last i heard
[10:31] <wizo> but since i stuffed up my linux, i didnt bother reading it
[10:31] <holycow> wizo forget it
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> why not just use fat32?
[10:31] <wizo> but some ppl say its safe to use now, some say its not reliable
[10:31] <holycow> all the projects for ntfs writing are no longer supported by anyone
[10:31] <holycow> mostly because no one cares enough
[10:31] <IceDC571> ack... i like ext3 better than any other filesystem.. just because
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> heh, that's what I said earlier today
[10:31] <holycow> wizo, not some people, everyone
[10:31] <wizo> =/
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> and someone said "Dude, people care, it's just...  NTFS is complicated"
[10:32] <holycow> and proprietary
[10:32] <holycow> and undocumented
[10:32] <IceDC571> yet its taken them years to reverse engineer it
[10:32] <holycow> itys just easier to setup a second box as an ftp server and transfer files between the two that way
[10:32] <tiglionabbit> that's what I do
[10:32] <tiglionabbit> get a friend with webspace, man
[10:32] <FlannelKing> and if youve got a fast router, you go 100Mb/s
[10:32] <IceDC571> well.. if i share my ntfs drive will i be able to delete files from it from a windows box?
[10:33] <tiglionabbit> of course
[10:33] <HappyFool> this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd apparently provides ext2 read-write from windows
[10:33] <holycow> if your ntfs share allows that to, yes
[10:33] <iluciv> I suppose if you have a vanillia kernel compiled using the apt nvidia-glx driver won't work huh?
[10:33] <Madpilot> g'night, all.
[10:34] <HappyFool> iluciv: probably not. afaik the modules are kernel version specific
[10:34] <FlannelKing> iluciv, you'll probably be better off asking #debian people
[10:34] <wizo> brb
[10:34] <iluciv> cool thanks
[10:35] <FlannelKing> unless youre using vanilla to say unmodified
[10:35] <unome> tiglionabbit: have you checked newegg prices?
[10:35] <iluciv> if your saying unmodified to mean vanilla :P
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> unome: last I checked, newegg was sold out.  I'll check again
[10:36] <FlannelKing> well, vanilla is an install type in debian, which is why I said you might try that
[10:36] <FlannelKing> but, if you just mean, a plain old default hoary kernel, thats another matter
[10:36] <iluciv> yes I was being a twat
[10:37] <iluciv> :)
[10:37] <wizo> ok so err, HappyFool
[10:37] <wizo> where cna i find the config file
[10:37] <HappyFool> wizo: it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <iluciv> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <unome> iluciv:  twat? cunt hear you :x
[10:38] <HappyFool> wizo: explore2fs should show partitions, like hda3 (I'm guessing)
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> uhhh...   newegg just has this one and it's more expensive than advertised on the toshiba website http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114139
[10:38] <wizo> yeh
[10:38] <jtan325> if i unmounted the partition that i'm currently running linux from, that would be bad huh? how would i go about expanding the current partition that linux is running on (ext3)?
[10:38] <HappyFool> wizo: use the tree on the left to explore the partitions. find one with an 'etc' entry, that's your ubuntu root partition
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> zoinks, intel graphics chipset?  I don't want it
[10:38] <unome> the egg is great, but just not for laptops I guess
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> oh, read that wrong, another section
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> maybe they have it tricked out a little more or something, to warrant the price on it
[10:39] <HappyFool> jtan325: you'll need to boot with a live cd, or some other media
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> man, batteries suck.  My Acer was advertised to last 5 hours.  And it did, for a while.  Now it lasts about 20 minutes and turns off
[10:40] <unome> lol
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> linux warns me I'm low on batteries the second I pull out the plug
[10:40] <holycow> tiglionabbit, which acer?
[10:40] <holycow> i've been buying those recently, so far they haven't dissapointed
[10:40] <jtan325> HappyFool: why a live CD?
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> *pulls the plug*   gnome:  "ZOMG!  You have 0% betteries left.  Plug me back in!"    Even though you're within warranty, we're not paying for this, and we don't do partial repairs so we have to fix this or we'll tear up your warranty!"