[07:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about man crontab
[07:58] <Kreuger> !xmms
[07:58] <furgu> !info crontab
[07:58] <ubotu> Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Audacious, Banshee, Beep-media-player, JuK, quodlibet, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Totem, Xine, Mplayer, VLC - also see !codecs
[07:58] <edu> gatekeeper: yes, it crashed
[07:58] <ubotu> Package crontab does not exist in dapper
[07:58] <v3ctor> !no stinking clowns
[07:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about no stinking clowns
[07:58] <Kreuger> hahaha
[07:58] <h3sp4wn> !info anacron
[07:58] <ubotu> anacron: a cron-like program that doesn't go by time. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.3-11ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 29 kB, installed size 196 kB
[07:58] <om_> which repository do i need to add to get the updated amarok?
[07:58] <Kreuger> !make
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[07:58] <om_> hopefully it will stop crashing..
[07:58] <Fiyawerx> heh, if the first thing you go into is system-settings -> network settings, and click administer mode, it never prompts you for sudo password after a fresh install
[07:59] <furgu> HACKER
[07:59] <Kreuger> om: see here
[07:59] <Kreuger> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[07:59] <om_> thanks!
[07:59] <Kreuger> no problem
[07:59] <gatekeeper> edu: OK step 1 run badblocks, if that is OK run the CD and make it do a self check to make sure everything is OK, I had a bad Maxtor HDD exactly the same problem
, maybe ksudo still thinks you are authenticated?
[08:00] <Kreuger> !kde
[08:00] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[08:01] <gatekeeper> furgu: looks as if you are getting a little frustrated :-)
[08:01] <Kreuger> !frustrated
[08:01] <ubotu> I know nothing about frustrated
[08:01] <Kreuger> !boredom'
[08:01] <ubotu> I know nothing about boredom'
[08:02] <Kreuger> !dapper
[08:02] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[08:02] <om_> should i install amarok 1.4 or 1.4.1beta? is the beta less stable?
[08:02] <Kreuger> !eft
[08:02] <ubotu> eft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt or try !edgy
[08:02] <Kreuger> om: no it is not any les stable
[08:02] <Kreuger> !edgy
[08:02] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft"
[08:03] <Kreuger> om: if you want to be safe, don't go with the beta but I used it no problem
[08:03] <furgu> !having a lack of sex because I don't experience those desires.
[08:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about having a lack of sex because I don't experience those desires.
[08:03] <Kreuger> haha nice
[08:03] <kronoz> efy should have reiserfs support!
[08:03] <kronoz> er eft even
[08:04] <om_> Kreuger: yeah well i wouldnt update except that my 1.3.9 keeps crashing
[08:04] <Kreuger> shouldn't it be having sex because I don't have experience?
[08:04] <robotgeek> !botabuse
[08:04] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots
[08:04] <Kreuger> !bothater
[08:04] <ubotu> I know nothing about bothater
[08:04] <Kreuger> !info bot
[08:04] <ubotu> Package bot does not exist in dapper
[08:04] <Kreuger> !bot
[08:04] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[08:04] <robotgeek> Kreuger: you can go and investiage ubotu privately :)
[08:05] <Kreuger> but Im having fun here :p
[08:05] <edu> gatekeeper: I'm running badblocks now... did you have sound problems?
[08:07] <gatekeeper> edu: I have in the past had to turn the sound on with alsamixer, and I have followed the wiki instructions to get amaroK running, apart from that I am pleased to say all is OK
[08:08] <gatekeeper> edu: do you get any sound if you go to system setting -> sound and press the test sound button?
[08:08] <edu> gatekeeper: no, I don't
[08:10] <gatekeeper> edu: you have done that test and it fails?
[08:10] <edu> gatekeeper: yes, it fails
[08:11] <edu> gatekeeper: but my soundcard is working, 'cause I can hear my voice throgh the mic
[08:11] <gatekeeper> edu: and you are sure the sound is turned on (using kmix or alsamixer)?
[08:12] <edu> gatekeeper: I'm sure
[08:14] <AppleSux> Anyone know why AmaroK would not play a valid mp3/ogg file - It just displays - playlist finished
[08:15] <gatekeeper> edu: like furgu says do a fresh install, or at the very least run the Dapper live CD go to system settings -> sound and do a sound test, if it's not picking up your sound card then you need to find out if it is supported
[08:15] <AppleSux> All other players work just fine
[08:15] <gatekeeper> AppleSux: codec problem hang on...
[08:16] <AppleSux> ahhh .. ok.
[08:16] <robotgeek> AppleSux: libxine-extracodecs?
[08:16] <edu> gatekeeper: my soundcard is OK, root can play music
[08:16] <AppleSux> robotgeek 1 sec let me check
[08:17] <DaSkreech> ok after a few minutes Xorg takes up 100 % of my CPU rendering all my efforts to be productive useless
[08:17] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: what have you enabled extra?
[08:17] <DaSkreech> XGL?
[08:17] <cox377> is there anyway to add fonts to kubuntu?
[08:18] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: do you have the evil binary drivers installed?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> fglrx
[08:18] <AppleSux> robotgeek - yes on the libxine
[08:18] <DaSkreech> cox377: Go to konqueror and type fonts:/
[08:18] <AppleSux> robotgeek - all other players work
[08:19] <AppleSux> robotgeek - using VLC now
[08:19] <gatekeeper> AppleSux: probable need to install libxine-extracodecs w32codecs have a look at http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2663/how-to_get_full DON'T BLINDLY do everything it says
[08:19] <AppleSux> robotgeek - using VLC listening to ogg file right now
[08:19] <robotgeek> AppleSux: amarok does not play ogg? wth
[08:19] <robotgeek> !codecs
[08:19] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:19] <AppleSux> gatekeeper that is for lame ass MS formats
[08:19] <robotgeek> gatekeeper: please recommend wiki and official documentation first :)
[08:20] <cox377> daskreech: cheers for that, do i have to log in via root to get new fonts into that folder?
[08:20] <gatekeeper> robotgeek: ok :-)
[08:20] <AppleSux> robotgeek - it just says playlist finished on ALL FILES
[08:20] <robotgeek> AppleSux: hmm, weird.
[08:21] <AppleSux> yeah
[08:21] <robotgeek> AppleSux: what engine have you in settings?
[08:21] <AppleSux> i tried that too
[08:21] <AppleSux> xine
[08:22] <AppleSux> xine with output plugin set to auto
[08:22] <robotgeek> AppleSux: to be honest, i have never seen something like this
[08:23] <AppleSux> no biggie - i can mess w it later as I have all other media players working
[08:23] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Any way to trace the CPU spikes?
[08:24] <AppleSux> Daskreech - top
[08:24] <AppleSux> Daskreech - type man top
[08:24] <DaSkreech> AppleSux: I know what's doing it I want to know why
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Xorg takes up 100 % of my CPU and just kind of sticks there
[08:24] <DaSkreech> sometimes drops to 99.98
[08:25] <AppleSux> Daskreech - are you fully patched?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> But it also becomes an unkillable process
[08:25] <DaSkreech> I'm going to try that now
[08:25] <AppleSux> apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[08:25] <AppleSux> Daskreech - Is that on all websites?
[08:26] <stallion88> hi everybody
[08:26] <AppleSux> Daskreech - your performance issues I mean
[08:26] <AppleSux> hey stallion88
[08:26] <stallion88> can anybody help me with compiling a game?
[08:26] <DaSkreech> No It's just random within 10-15 minutes of me logging into X
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Ok all patched up now
[08:27] <DaSkreech> stallion88: Sure but I'll probably be popping in and out
[08:28] <fowlduck> how can i add an application to be run on login to kde?
[08:28] <stallion88> DaSkreech: no problem:)
[08:28] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[08:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about autostart
[08:28] <robotgeek> fowlduck: add it to your session
[08:28] <DaSkreech> stallion88: You have b-e?
[08:28] <fowlduck> robotgeek: yes, and how?
[08:29] <robotgeek> theres a section in the desktop guide available from the K-menu -> help
[08:29] <fowlduck> robotgeek: i'm really looking for a graphical way to do that
[08:29] <robotgeek> fowlduck: yes, there is a grapihical way mentioned
[08:29] <stallion88> DaSkreech, sorry but what is b-e??
[08:29] <fowlduck> you can't just tell me?
[08:29] <AppleSux> fowlduck - go to Systems settings >> Systems services
[08:30] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[08:30] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[08:30] <AppleSux> KDE is the best!
[08:30] <DaSkreech> stallion88: Which Game btw?
[08:30] <gatekeeper> AppleSux: <quote> For mp3/avi/quicktime/dvd playback support you will need to install libxine-extracodecs package </quote> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
[08:31] <stallion88> DaSkreech, sauerbraten
[08:31] <svivian> Anyone have tips on improving screen redraws with rdesktop?
[08:31] <AppleSux> gatekeper - i have the libxine-extracodecs and I am not trying to play files that are sh1t apple formats anyhow
[08:32] <monomaniacpat> Hi guys - having trouble encoding in LAME with KAudioCreator - little help?
[08:32] <gatekeeper> AppleSux: thought it wouldn't play mp3?
[08:32] <rideout> svivian: nxclient sometimes gives better preformance
[08:33] <AppleSux> gatekeeper - it doesnt play anything.  it only says - Playlist finished
[08:33] <robotgeek> AppleSux: might want to ask in #amarok
[08:33] <rideout> svivian: also, check out tsclient, it is a frontend to rdesktop and allow you to see all the options and tweak them
[08:33] <AppleSux> gatekeeper - all other players work just fine
[08:33] <furgu> !nxclient
[08:33] <AppleSux> meh
[08:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about nxclient
[08:33] <furgu> !info nxclient
[08:33] <ubotu> Package nxclient does not exist in dapper
[08:33] <robotgeek> !freenx
[08:33] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[08:34] <furgu> !info freenx
[08:34] <ubotu> Package freenx does not exist in dapper
[08:34] <robotgeek> its not in the repos
[08:34] <furgu> Freenx is great, but I took forever for me to setup correctly
[08:34] <furgu> it*
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> furgu: Sevas's repository has freenx its pretty easy to setup
[08:34] <monomaniacpat> when encoding lame it tells me it cannot complete because it doesn't like the genre (americana)
[08:35] <rideout> that how i did it Sevas is grat
[08:35] <gatekeeper> AppleSux: I presume you have checked configure amaroK -> Engine?
[08:35] <furgu> I know I am sure I used a repository to install but still had some strange mysterious issues (evnetually related to permissions but horrible error messages)
[08:36] <AppleSux> gatekeeper - yes sir.  Any ideas though
[08:37] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to compile the program kmediafactory and I need the right Qt libraries.  Trouble is, the versions I have in Adept would break my system.  It says it has "Ubuntu3" release but I have "ubuntu6" release.  Any ideas on this one?  I think I need to install libqt3-dev, but as I have said if I installed that one it would break my system.
[08:37] <robotgeek> Ertain: sudo apt-get install kmediafactory
[08:38] <gatekeeper> if xine won'y play ball you could try installing the gstreamer stuff, I had a dell where I had to prat around with the engines untill I got it to work
[08:39] <Ertain> robotgeek: Ah, keen observation.  But that's not the version I want.  In the 0.5.1 version the "add video" option is disabled.  I'm trying to compile it so that I can add video.
[08:39] <robotgeek> Ertain: sudo apt-get install build-dep kmediafactory
[08:40] <edu> root account is enabled or disabled by default?
[08:40] <ChefWill> disabled
[08:40] <Ertain> Okay, I'll try that, robotkeen.
[08:40] <Ertain> Er, robotgeek.
[08:41] <edu> ChefWill: ok, thanks
[08:41] <Ertain> Whelp, that didn't work.
[08:41] <thomas_> hi@ll
[08:41] <thomas_> could anybody help me with compiz and xgl?
[08:41] <robotgeek> !xgl
[08:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:42] <robotgeek> Ertain: doesnt work meaning?
[08:42] <Ertain> I tried that command and it didn't work.
[08:42] <thomas_> i got the error that GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available
[08:42] <Ertain> I'd sure love to get Xgl working.
[08:43] <robotgeek> Ertain: meaning what? it would setup your system for compiling kmediafactory. however, you might need to install other versions of libraries
[08:43] <robotgeek> !compile
[08:43] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[08:45] <Ertain> No, I mean that I used your exact command and it didn't work.  Said something about "not finding build-dep".  Perhaps the wording is wrong?
[08:45] <robotgeek> Ertain: sudo apt-get build-dep kmediafactory
[08:45] <robotgeek> sorry
[08:46] <Ertain> Right-o then.
[08:46] <edu> how could I change computer workgroup using the GUI?
[08:46] <Ertain> Didn't work.  The build dependencies could not be satisfied.
[08:47] <robotgeek> thats odd, do you have the src repos enabled?
[08:48] <robotgeek> in /etc/apt/sources.list , you would need deb-src
[08:48] <robotgeek> i think you might need deb-src for universe and multiverse, Ertain
[08:49] <Ertain> Yep got that.  If it's also worth repeating that I have a version mismatch for libqt3-mt-dev and other packs.
[08:49] <robotgeek> did you install those on your own?
[08:50] <Ertain> No, I used Adept. Though I think I used other repositories than the standard ones for Ubuntu.
[08:50] <rideout> edu: system settings -> sharing -> file shareing - click on adminstrator mode, you can mess around with settings there
[08:51] <Ademan> anyone here use gdesklets?
[08:51] <robotgeek> Ertain: cant garauntee your systems amount of borkage :)
[08:51] <Ertain> I wonder if I can downgrade at least libqt3-mt?
[08:52] <gnomefreak> Ademan: i think #ubuntu maight have a bigger group using them
[08:52] <rideout> Ertain: in synaptic you can select any available version
[08:53] <Ertain> Maybe I should then select the older libqt3-mt with Synaptic?
[08:53] <rideout> Ertain: that might do it for you
[08:54] <edu> I wanna change my computer workgroup, how could I do this?
[08:55] <rideout> Ertain: right click on the package, choose propeties then select the versions tab
[09:00] <edu> how to share files between Linux and Windows machines the easy way?
[09:00] <raphink> edu: use samba
[09:00] <raphink> !samba
[09:00] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:00] <raphink> de janeiro
[09:00] <sotired> I just finished installing kubuntu, and i am more than impressed. However, I have a second hard drive with all my music on it and i a unable to mount it.
[09:01] <edu> raphink: I'm on it
[09:01] <edu> raphink: but XP can't see my shared folders
[09:01] <raphink> ah, too bad
[09:01] <raphink> I cn't help you on this side
[09:01] <raphink> I don' thave windows ;)
[09:01] <edu> raphink: I don't know how to change computer workgroup, either
[09:02] <raphink> edu: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:02] <raphink> or .cf don't remember
[09:02] <monomaniacpat> Can anyone tell me how to get LAME to encode properly?
[09:02] <edu> raphink: conf
[09:02] <raphink> if you can't find how to change the workgroup, I can't do anything for you
[09:02] <edu> raphink: and how thrugh the GUI?
[09:02] <edu> raphink:  :D
[09:02] <sotired> you want to change the workgroup on the window$ machine?
[09:02] <raphink> edu: maybe through systemsettings > Sharing but I doubt so
[09:02] <raphink> sotired: what's your filesystem?
[09:03] <edu> sotired: nope, on the kubuntu machine
[09:03] <sotired> ntfs
[09:03] <sotired> on the drive im trying to access
[09:03] <raphink> sotired: could you convert it to FAT32, using partition magic e.g. ,
[09:03] <raphink> that would help
[09:03] <sotired> i just want to pull my music off of it and then wipe it
[09:03] <sotired> wont i lose my music that way?
[09:03] <raphink> ah right
[09:04] <raphink> sotired: I think you can convert your filesystem with partition magic without losing data
[09:04] <raphink> I _think
[09:04] <raphink> _
[09:04] <raphink> haven't tried it, diidn't have the occasion
[09:04] <monomaniacpat> kaudiocreator fails with LAME claiming it doesn't support the genre (americana)
[09:04] <raphink> but as I'm sure you're an honnest multimedia consumer, you must have the original CDs with you and must be able to encode them in ogg directly
[09:04] <raphink> :)
[09:04] <sotired> i dont think i can use partition magic on this machine
[09:04] <sotired> ha
[09:05] <sotired> so there is absolutly no way to mount an ntfs partition?
[09:05] <raphink> sure there is sotired
[09:05] <sotired> oh
[09:05] <raphink> just the same way you mount another partition
[09:05] <heinkel_111> monomaniacpat: i had same mesg yesterrday..LAME doen not support genre "misc" LOL
[09:05] <trappist> except it will be read-only
[09:06] <raphink> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/yourpartition /your/mounting/point
[09:06] <edu> do I need to create accounts on my kubuntu machine with same name & password than the windows accounts?
[09:06] <heinkel_111> i wonder if LAME is really emo?
[09:06] <sotired> thank you raphink
[09:06] <rideout> sotired: i have this in my /etc/fstab: /dev/sda2       /mnt/winc       ntfs-fuse    user,noauto,ro,umask=000    0       0
[09:06] <rideout> of course you need to set up ntfs-fuse
[09:06] <raphink> rideout: it is a bad idea to use /mnt/winc
[09:07] <raphink> this doesn't respect the LSB hierarchy standards
[09:07] <trappist> raphink: why?
[09:07] <raphink> not that I see anyone respecting it
[09:07] <trappist> ah.
[09:07] <sotired> i only need to access it long enough to grab my music and a few backups, then im going to wipe it
[09:07] <raphink> but I care that it is followed somehow ;)
[09:07] <raphink> otherwise there's no point in using /media
[09:07] <furgu> !SWAT
[09:07] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:08] <monomaniacpat> heinkel_111: any ideas? I'm just uding the genre specified by CDDB :?
[09:08] <rideout> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:08] <heinkel_111> monomaniacpat: yeah it is quite easy to work around it unless you are hung up about the genre
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> furgu: Are you trying to enable swat ? It run's from inetd (which needs to be installed and running)
[09:09] <monomaniacpat> heinkel_111: OK, what are acceptable genres?
[09:09] <heinkel_111> monomaniacpat: i think you have a file>edit record option
[09:09] <furgu> no h3sp4wn, I just saw a message and wanted to see what exactly it is
[09:09] <heinkel_111> monomaniacpat: just select from drop down menu in there
[09:09] <heinkel_111> monomaniacpat: can you find it?
[09:10] <heinkel_111> monomaniacpat: i have norwegian version, maybe some other menu names
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> furgu: Its the official web interface for samba (Best to just edit smb.conf though its pretty well documented)
[09:10] <furgu> yah thx h3sp4wn
[09:10] <BoSJo> All: Trying to use adept, nomatter what i try to get it tells me that it encountered an error and/or it would brake packages?? any ideas
[09:11] <furgu> BoSJo, try installing with apt-get, does it give any more information?
[09:11] <furgu> BoSJo, sudo apt-get install <package>
[09:12] <furgu> BoSJo, from a terminal BTW
[09:12] <monomaniacpat> heinkel_111: I'll have a look
[09:12] <BoSJo> furgu: tried that, nothong much happends
[09:12] <furgu> BoSJo, whats the message?  Please paste
[09:12] <TheFaction> hello guys
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: try sudo dpkg -C
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: Should tell you what packages are broken
[09:12] <furgu> BoSJo, there is a way to fix dependency errors, apt-get always tells me how to do it
[09:12] <furgu> --resolve or something
[09:13] <TheFaction> hey im trying to play my mp3s off my external maxtor. its recognized yet the files wont play
[09:13] <osh_> Is there an apt equivialent to "rpm -qv *" meaning verify all installed packages on the system.
[09:14] <robotgeek> osh_: what does verify do?
[09:14] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn : mfc8420lpr           Brother lpr Printer Definitions
[09:14] <TheFaction> hey im trying to play my mp3s off my external maxtor. its recognized yet the files wont play
[09:14] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn: says it's broken
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: Do you have a brother printer ?
[09:15] <osh_> robotgeek: checks that the package is installed properly, checks md5 and signature of package, checks if config-files have been changed. Perhaps some more that I don't remember right now.
[09:15] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn: yes, tried to install it yesterday, no luck
[09:15] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn: used a .deb
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: sudo dpkg -P mfc8420lpr
[09:16] <robotgeek> osh_: apt-get check , maybe. more in man apt-get
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: You don't want to use debs that aren't made for kubuntu
[09:17] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn: someone told me it would be ok, guess not :-) it tells me to install before uninstalling
[09:17] <TheFaction> hey im trying to play my mp3s off my external maxtor. its recognized yet the files wont play
[09:17] <robotgeek> !codecs
[09:17] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: sudo aptitude purge mfc8420lpr
[09:19] <phin> hello
[09:19] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn: same thing, it is in very bad state, should install befor uninstalling
[09:19] <osh_> robotgeek: no apt-get check from what I can see. I'll have a look in the manpages. Just hoping that someone might know and answer quicker than a manpage.
[09:20] <BoSJo> h3sp4wn: can't i just remove the print driver from some list somewhere?
[09:20] <fiyawerx> !firefox
[09:20] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: sudo dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -P mfc8420lpr
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> BoSJo: The only way to fix it is thru apt
[09:22] <TheFaction> ok i found that i need a plugin to play my mp3s
[09:22] <TheFaction> and i typed in this into the terminal: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad yet it didnt install
[09:24] <Jack1> hi where would i find sth about making grip faster? i read a wiki about dapper but cant find it again, anyone knows?
, how do you know it didn't install?  what errors/messages are you getting?
[09:24] <fiyawerx> anyone have aproblem where konquerer just seems to stop loading images on a webpage?
 i get this :E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:25] <elie> sup guyz
[09:25] <lucas> what?
[09:25] <elie> any1 tried the new ati driverz?
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> fiyawerx: nope. But I did have such a problem when I had a bad network card in a router.
[09:25] <fiyawerx> LeeJunFan: seems to work fine in firefox, strange
[09:25] <lucas> Hello, I speak french!!!
, do "sudo apt-get update" then try install again
[09:26] <fiyawerx> !source
[09:26] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:26] <fiyawerx> !easysource
[09:26] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:26] <bam_> elie, let us know how it turns out(ru using breezy or dapper?)
[09:26] <trappist> TheFaction: I think you want gstreamer0.10-mad
[09:27] <_froud_> Hi, have not installed Kubuntu in a while. Does Kubuntu install Firefox by default or use Konqueror as the default for Web Browser?
[09:27] <trappist> assuming you're using dapper
[09:27] <furgu> elie, are you using GL applications?  You might save yourself some heartache and wait awhile if you don't need it...
[09:27] <fiyawerx> anyone have any issues using source-o-matic?
 will i be able to do it on the live cd?
[09:27] <elie> dapper
[09:28] <elie> i play openGL games
[09:28] <lucas> good byee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <furgu> TheFaction, no idea... you are using a live cd for this?  maybe try it... can't hurt
[09:28] <furgu> elie, what games do you play?
[09:29] <elie> ut2004 x64+wolfenstein+ss
[09:29] <furgu> sweet
[09:29] <elie> just begun with linux yesterday
[09:29] <edu_> Hi
how do i put up large pieces of text?
[09:30] <furgu> might consider a different GFX card next time you upgrade, everyone complains about ATI support elie
[09:30] <furgu> I lost the link TheFaction... what are you trying to put?
[09:30] <elie> thats y iam asking,i just saw the new ati driverz on ati site
[09:30] <Wodger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:30] <furgu> thx Wodger
[09:30] <Jack1> hi guys amarok suddenly returns no engine can beloaded??
[09:31] <Wodger> should be in the topic that should be shown depending on your irc client
[09:31] <edu_> Does anyone knows if xgl is going to support radeon free drivers?
[09:32] <furgu> guess you could try it elie, I know the ubuntu Nvidia driver doesn't play well with the Nvidia provided driver so it might cause more problems but like I said no experience with ATI
 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16710
[09:32] <rideout> Jack1: are you using xine?
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> edu: I think it does already - or atleast aiglx definately does
[09:32] <Jack1> rideout yes first it said it cant find xine, and would use another engine, now it says it finds nothing
[09:32] <furgu> TheFaction, you need to use sudo
[09:33] <edu_> aiglx? what's that?
[09:33] <phin> grrrr, my direct rendering no longer works under i810
[09:33] <phin> :-(
[09:33] <furgu> "sudo apt-get ....."
[09:33] <edu_> sorry, i'm a little noob heheh
 i did
[09:33] <furgu> TheFaction, or you might need to close some graphical package managers like Synaptic
[09:33] <furgu> or you may be running two apt- things at the same time
[09:34] <Jack1> furgu is there a fast ripper that doesnt lose quality because of being fast? grip is so slow...
[09:34] <furgu> Jack1, have you tried Monkey audio?>
[09:34] <Jack1> furgu ..no worth a try?
[09:34] <furgu> nevermind... its only windows
[09:34] <furgu> !lossless
[09:35] <ubotu> I know nothing about lossless
 still doesnt work
[09:35] <Jack1> furgu i used foobar2000 there
[09:35] <furgu> Maybe it doesnt work from livecd TheFaction, don't know sorry
[09:35] <JP_PIALASSE> hello
[09:35] <elie> It say: POSIX Shared Memory (/dev/shm) support is required for 3D applications,what is psox?
[09:35] <froud> Does Kubuntu install Firefox by default or must the user install it afterwards?
[09:36] <furgu> Ever tried oggflac Jack1?
[09:36] <JP_PIALASSE> you have to install it
[09:36] <furgu> elie, POSIX is a standard
[09:36] <furgu> elie, where are you seeing this?
[09:36] <Jack1> furgu i cannot use ogg (though idlike to) cause of my ipod
[09:36] <elie> on ati site---->https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.26.18.html#172686
[09:36] <Wodger> then probably mp3 realisticly
[09:37] <furgu> elie, shouldnt worry about that yet
[09:37] <fiyawerx> hmm, anyone else use cipherphunks repositories?
[09:37] <[TSK] > I've seen Monkey's Audio support for Linux.  It's not Windoze only.
[09:37] <elie> k thnx
[09:37] <furgu> elie, ubuntu supports POSIX... should be no problem
[09:37] <Gentil> bonsoir
[09:37] <Jack1> guys my amarok says it has noengine...
[09:37] <furgu> thnks [TSK]  didnt know that
[09:38] <[TSK] > I'm not sure about using it in Ubuntu, but I have used Monkey's Audio under Mandriva and it plays all my old MA files I copied over from my old Windoze install.
[09:38] <Gentil> hi
[09:38] <[TSK] > I haven't tried encoding to MA under Linux yet, but I'm sure I can find a way.
[09:38] <lyynx> Hello I customize Eterm ,with no buttonbar,but how to save this theme.please help
[09:38] <furgu> Jack1, have you thought about installing RockBox on your IPod?
[09:39] <Jack1> furgu i had even linux on it.... but i had trouble with gtkpod (with the partitions) though i uninstalled it again..probably no now..too much stress
[09:39] <elie> what is universe section?
[09:40] <JP_PIALASSE> i have a problem with amarok : it doesn't play anything , just says the playlist is ended
[09:40] <furgu> elie, some packages have different licenses so live in different places
[09:40] <edu_> hey jp_pialasse
[09:40] <edu_> i think you must install xine-extracodecs
[09:41] <Jack1> amarok says xine cannot find audio drivers therefore it cannot be loaded, loading void engine instead, but it worked all the day! and now not
[09:41] <elie> how 2 enable it?
[09:41] <JP_PIALASSE> edu> thanks i try
[09:41] <edu_> you must have the multiverse repository activated, too
[09:41] <[TSK] > JP_PIALASSE: You might want to check your engines and make sure you are using a good one.  Xine is the one I personally prefer.  Might also want to check your collection and make sure that Amarok knows where your music files are found.  May also want to make sure your music is in a format the Xine engine understands.
[09:41] <elie> how 2 enable it?
[09:42] <JP_PIALASSE> edu> it is but it doesnt find
[09:42] <edu_> wait a second
[09:42] <edu_> well, i can't use adept now, is downloading packages...
[09:43] <edu_> does you have all the repositories activatee?
[09:43] <[TSK] > I'm really finding Amarok to be by FAR the best music player/manager I've ever used.  Nothing else even remotely compares...  Even if it doesn't work quite right at first, it's worth the efforts it takes to get it all running right.
[09:43] <elie> how 2 enable universe section?
[09:43] <JP_PIALASSE> [TSK] > xine is ok, i just click on the file and it open, it is the same probleme with radio streaming,  i'va tried a lot of mp3 vbr and cbr
[09:44] <edu_> go to /etc/apt/source.list
[09:44] <fiyawerx> can i pay someone to go through and re-tag about 16000 mp3s? heh
[09:44] <edu_> with kate as root
[09:44] <Jack1> do sudo kedit /etc/fstab and remove the hashmarks at the beginning of the line elie
[09:44] <furgu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages?action=show&redirect=UniversePackages
[09:44] <furgu> elie ^^^
[09:44] <edu_> and uncomment it at the list
[09:44] <JP_PIALASSE> edu_> it seems all, i hav e added all manually
[09:44] <Jack1> elie sorry i mean /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:44] <JP_PIALASSE> already done this morning
[09:46] <Jack1> what do i do : amarok no engine can be loaded?
[09:46] <[TSK] > fiyawerx: Heh...  I've finally just finished retagging my MP3s using Amarok.  Every single album I have is all organized and has an album cover image stored in the folder with it.  It's SO NICE to be able to find and play my music when and how I want...  8)
[09:46] <paolo_> italianiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:46] <[TSK] > It's WAY nice too to be able to stash all my CDs away in the closet and never have to touch them again...  8)
[09:46] <furgu> !it
[09:46] <fiyawerx> [TSK] : yeah, most of mine are in ots format, i need to unconvert them all back to mp3
[09:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:47] <furgu> !bs
[09:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about bs
[09:47] <fiyawerx> [TSK] : and there's literally about 16500 at last count heh
[09:47] <elie> so no 1 here has a ati vga card?
[09:47] <furgu> ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI ATI
[09:47] <elie> :)
[09:47] <furgu> HELP ZOMG MY ATI CARD IS MELTING
[09:48] <elie> what fglrx ru using?
[09:48] <furgu> who?
[09:48] <elie> u have ati ,no?
[09:48] <furgu> I have no stinking ATI
[09:48] <furgu> !ati
[09:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:48] <furgu> I have NVidia
[09:48] <elie> k
[09:48] <furgu> sry
[09:49] <furgu> !universe
[09:49] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:49] <fiyawerx> i just did the install nvidia-glx via apt-get for mine, worked like a charm
[09:49] <furgu> I know fiyawerx nvidia is easy we need an atian
[09:50] <matthew> does anyone have much experience dealing with Kvpnc?
[09:51] <edu_> JP_PIALASSE, perhaps the package name is another... search for xine and then look for something likce extra codecs
[09:51] <Jack1> hallo my amarok says: xine was unable to initialize any audio-drivers.
[09:51] <Jack1> what shall i do?
[09:52] <edu_> mhhh
[09:52] <edu_> search in google ubuntu restricted formats
[09:53] <edu_> and you'll have the howto
[09:54] <furgu> !edubuntu
[09:54] <ubotu> Edubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org
[09:54] <furgu> !xubuntu
[09:54] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <furgu> XFCE!!!!
[09:54] <furgu> Or as I like to call it, X-Feces
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> !e-17
[09:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about e-17
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> !e17
[09:55] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[09:55] <fiyawerx> oh that reminds me, i want to try xfce
[09:56] <fiyawerx> if you install the xubuntu-desktop from kubuntu, you can run apps like konversation in xfce right?
[09:57] <fiyawerx> altho that makes me feel dirty
[09:57] <furgu> XFCE is great, runs really great over FreeNX
[09:57] <furgu> fiyawerx, I think you can just install the xfce package
[09:57] <fiyawerx> furgu: not using freenx anymore, but using nomachins server /client, even kde is running fine over it for me mostly
[09:57] <fiyawerx> furgu: cept some animations and whatnot
[09:58] <furgu> freenx + kde = crazy slow for me
[09:58] <fiyawerx> im connecting to a cable connection, i set the slider down to isdn
[09:58] <fiyawerx> and everything runs fine
[09:58] <furgu> fiyawerx, does the nomachines server cost monies?
[09:58] <fiyawerx> no, the new version is free for 2 simultaneous connections i believe
[09:59] <furgu> what are the advantages to using it?
[09:59] <edu> system:/media  --> ERROR KDE device manager is not running
[09:59] <fiyawerx> and installs extremely easy
[09:59] <edu> system:/media  --> ERROR KDE device manager is not running... HELP!
[09:59] <fiyawerx> well, i tried for 2 days to get freenx running with no success, then saw that they release a new server/clients versions i think, tried that and it installed in about 30 seconds up and running
[09:59] <fiyawerx> i've never successfully used freenx so can't really say
[09:59] <furgu> oh, yes the freenx can be a pain to install
[09:59] <furgu> but I already got it working so no big deal
[10:00] <fiyawerx> yeah, i love it tho, in general
[10:00] <JP_PIALASSE> edu> i can see it on the repo but it dont find it
[10:00] <fiyawerx> i might just keep kde for running at home and use xfce for connecting from work maybe
[10:00] <fiyawerx> will see how much faster it is for me
[10:00] <fiyawerx> i mean the apps menu and whatnot on kde is almost realtime
[10:01] <furgu> I think KDE uses some screen transitions which makes it slow
[10:01] <kronoz> how does the kubuntu bootsplash work? bootsplash.org kernel patch or using something like splashy?
[10:01] <fiyawerx> if i drag a window around i notice some lag, but other than that nothing
[10:01] <edu> please, help: system:/media  --> ERROR KDE device manager is not running
[10:01] <furgu> if it werent for those it would be better
[10:01] <furgu> edu, PANIX
[10:01] <kosh> I just use ssh for remote access no speed problems with that
[10:01] <elie_> which is better,gnom or k?
[10:01] <fiyawerx> yeah, like the panel bubbles that pop up when you mouseover things were slow, i disabled those
[10:01] <furgu> thanks kosh, what wonderful advice... so insightful
[10:01] <fiyawerx> i even had e17 working over it, but it was glitchy
[10:02] <kosh> ssh -X username@server and you can run whatever you want
[10:02] <kronoz> elie_: your in a kde distro channel, what do you think....
[10:02] <kosh> I have been doing that for about 10 years
[10:02] <furgu> kosh, REALLY??? OMG WOW
[10:02] <elie_> lol
[10:02] <furgu> kosh, you forgot -C flag
[10:02] <furgu> your slow kosh, you are slowwww
[10:02] <kronoz> elie_: kde becuase qt is much better than gtk
[10:03] <elie_> what is qt?
[10:03] <furgu> QTips
[10:03] <furgu> !qt
[10:03] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[10:03] <furgu> !gtk
[10:03] <ubotu> gtk is the gimp toolkit, which forms the base of Gnome and a lot of other applications
[10:03] <elie_> i am using dapper 6.06 is it gnom or kde?
[10:04] <furgu> erm... yeah
[10:04] <gupta> elie: Is it blue or brown?
[10:04] <furgu> heh right on gupta... good call
[10:04] <elie_> brown
[10:05] <gupta> gnome
[10:05] <furgu> ewwww.... elie_ is the brown
[10:05] <elie_> lolk
[10:05] <fiyawerx> lol
[10:05] <gupta> i.e ubuntu
[10:05] <furgu> wrong channel elie_, get the hell out...
[10:06] <furgu> if you have a GNOME question ask #ubuntu tho elie_
[10:06] <kosh> furgu: I have compression in my ssh config
[10:06] <fiyawerx> i think you need to register to talk in #ubuntu, don't you?
[10:06] <furgu> good job kosh, good job
[10:06] <furgu> dont think so... only register to send private message
[10:06] <furgu> #ubuntu is krazy packed tho
[10:06] <furgu> !ubuntu
[10:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[10:06] <fiyawerx> kosh: does that end up running as fast as nomachines client?
[10:07] <furgu> !#ubuntu
[10:07] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:07] <MAW_away> anybody installed the new basket?
[10:07] <furgu> fiyawerx, YES
[10:07] <fiyawerx> i thought the whole thing about !m was that its faster
[10:07] <furgu> fiyawerx, if you dont need the WM just use ssh -C -X
[10:07] <fiyawerx> oh, i like having my desktop :)
[10:07] <fiyawerx> and im going from windows too
[10:07] <furgu> use Cygwin then
[10:07] <furgu> it has problems tho
[10:07] <fiyawerx> for what?
[10:08] <furgu> for desktopless X
[10:08] <fiyawerx> oh, i don't know why I'd want desktopless X
[10:08] <furgu> tunnel ssh compression shitnitz
[10:08] <fiyawerx> i like my desktop
[10:08] <fiyawerx> otherwise i just use SecureCRT to ssh in when i need a console
[10:08] <furgu> NX clients use Cygwin... I hate NX screws up emacs tho
[10:08] <fiyawerx> I'm using nxclient for windows
[10:08] <kosh> you can use the wm even remotely if you want
[10:09] <furgu> CYGWIN I sed use cygwin
[10:09] <kosh> I used to use launch it from other unix systems and just have it start x with just a terminal window and then just run startkde
[10:09] <fiyawerx> eh, im lost, but this works
[10:09] <kosh> fiyawerx: I never had any slowdowns
[10:09] <kosh> fiyawerx: however I have always used it on high speed networks
[10:10] <fiyawerx> yeah, im limited by my cable at home upload rate
[10:10] <fiyawerx> which is like 50KBps
[10:10] <furgu> FreeNX is for slower connections kosh, they use trickery
[10:10] <furgu> some call it magic
[10:10] <furgu> I say its the devil's work personally
[10:10] <fiyawerx> yeah, i figured since NX was made for dialup and whatnot it'd work fine over cable
[10:11] <fiyawerx> and it has so far
[10:11] <fiyawerx> as for my connection here, Download Speed: 22153 kbps (2769.1 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 2903 kbps (362.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
[10:11] <fiyawerx> i just wish i had that at home, too
[10:11] <ozmodiar> Hi. It Seems I can't get Konqueror understand that I've selected double-clicking mode in settings for the mouse. And I can't find any settings for that in Konqueror either. Sorry for my english.
[10:13] <furgu> kosh, freenx also does sound I think
[10:13] <|lostbyte|> Anyone here using ymessenger ?
[10:13] <cox377> no
[10:13] <cox377> is it any good?
[10:13] <furgu> not me
[10:13] <furgu> what is it?
[10:13] <furgu> !ymessenger
[10:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about ymessenger
[10:13] <furgu> !info ymessenger
[10:13] <ubotu> Package ymessenger does not exist in dapper
[10:13] <furgu> LIES
[10:13] <|lostbyte|> I have package problem..
[10:13] <furgu> Package ymessenger does not exist in dapper
[10:14] <cox377> i dont suppose anyone can help, but i copied the times new roman fonts from a windows box and installed them into the system and the personal drive yet when i try and change in firefox they dont appear to be there
[10:14] <|lostbyte|> i have it..
[10:14] <|lostbyte|> lolz
[10:14] <kronoz> do you mean yahoo messenger...
[10:14] <JP_PIALASSE> what is the command to install .deb  ?
[10:14] <|lostbyte|> yes..
[10:15] <kronoz> JP_PIALASSE: `su` then `dpkg -i nameofdeb.deb`
[10:15] <JP_PIALASSE> (i use to work with red hat :) )
[10:15] <JP_PIALASSE> tnaks
[10:15] <kronoz> JP_PIALASSE: or right click on the file > install kubuntu package (something like then)
[10:15] <|lostbyte|> it says..
[10:15] <|lostbyte|> ymessenger: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.13.0) but it is not going to be installed
[10:15] <|lostbyte|>               Depends: libssl0.9.6 but it is not installable
[10:15] <|lostbyte|>               Depends: xlibs (> 3.3.6) but it is not installable
[10:15] <furgu> install msttcorefonts,  cox377
[10:15] <cox377> does anyone here know a command to update open office?
[10:15] <cox377> furgu: cheers i shall
[10:16] <furgu> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:16] <GullyFoyle> click on "My .Debs" lmao
[10:16] <sensei> Why is a lot of packages greyed out in Adept Installer? Like Evolution and libxine-extracodecs ?
[10:16] <furgu> if there is an update, updates everything cox377
[10:16] <furgu> cox377, are you using 6.06?
[10:17] <cox377> "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" furgu?
[10:17] <fiyawerx> furgu: yeah, nx does multimedia
[10:17] <cox377> i am yeh
[10:17] <furgu> that will update everything
[10:17] <furgu> good to do that periodically
[10:17] <sensei> And all my sources when I do apt-get update returns Ign or "Could not connect", even though I can connect to them and fetch the Packages.gz manually via wget :O
[10:17] <ozmodiar> Didn't anyone have the solution to my question ^^ (yes i have tried too google). I've would really appreciate it.
[10:18] <furgu> 6.06 has OO2 which is good, unless you know you need a specific version keep to the 6.06 packages
[10:18] <furgu> ozmodiar, your question is lost, ask again
[10:18] <bigBob>  hello
[10:18] <furgu> oh nevermind
[10:18] <ozmodiar> Okay.
[10:18] <ozmodiar> It Seems I can't get Konqueror understand that I've selected double-clicking mode in settings for the mouse. And I can't find any settings for that in Konqueror either. Sorry for my english.
[10:18] <furgu> ozmodiar, double klick what exactly?
[10:19] <ozmodiar> On folders..
[10:19] <JP_PIALASSE> http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/x/xine-extracodecs/libxine-extracodecs_1.1.1+ubuntu1-2_i386.deb was the solution !
[10:19] <furgu> right-o... 1 sec
[10:19] <JP_PIALASSE> i don't understand why the apt get don't find it
[10:19] <GullyFoyle> hey that was my first time using /lastlog in irssi, to see what ozmodiar's q was... kewl
[10:20] <furgu> !lastlog
[10:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about lastlog
[10:20] <furgu> !/lastlog
[10:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about /lastlog
[10:20] <furgu> nice
[10:20] <GullyFoyle> can you set double-click application specific? or is it kde-wide, so to speak?
[10:21] <sotired> grrr. Anyone here ever have problems streaming music from a windows share using amarok?
[10:21] <heinkel_111> how does a notebook with AMD Turion 64 and ATI RAdeon Xpreess 200 work under kubuntu?
[10:21] <furgu> ozmodiar, you tried System Settings -> Mouse?
[10:21] <heinkel_111> are there drivers for the ATI Radeon Xpress 200?
[10:21] <cox377> furgu: ahh all i wanted to do was to update to 2.0.2
[10:21] <ozmodiar> GullyFoyle: uhm, I guess its KDE, but i'm not sure...
[10:22] <ozmodiar> I'm new too linux.
[10:22] <furgu> cox377, 2.02 is the version in repos, just do the commands I told you if its not 2.02 already
[10:22] <GullyFoyle> furgu: i'm using a console client, irssi, for IRC, and /lastlog <string> gives all the msg's with <string> in them
, Is your screen Brown or Blue?
[10:23] <Jack1> furgu i get mad amarok cannot start the xine engine!!!
[10:23] <cox377> cheers
[10:23] <furgu> yah I figured it out, GullyFoyle thanks
[10:23] <ozmodiar> Hehe, yes i'm running KDE if that was your question. :)
[10:23] <sotired> grrr. Anyone here ever have problems streaming music from a windows share using amarok?
[10:23] <furgu> yes ozmodiar, click on the start menu, go to System Settings
[10:23] <furgu> in Systems Settings click on Mouse
[10:24] <furgu> the click the box that says Double-Click to open files and folders
[10:24] <ozmodiar> Yes, but i've have already done that...
[10:24] <ozmodiar> And it's not working...
[10:24] <furgu> and no luck?
[10:24] <ozmodiar> Nop
[10:24] <cox377> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:24] <cox377> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:24] <furgu> sorry worked for me dunno
[10:24] <cox377> fo u know what that means furgu?
[10:25] <sotired> :(
[10:25] <furgu> cox377, is another process using the lock?  Are you running a graphical program like KPackage or Synaptic or Adept?
[10:25] <cox377> there isnt any other adept running
[10:25] <furgu> cox377, did you use sudo?
[10:25] <cox377> nah nothings open
[10:25] <cox377> yeh did sudp
[10:25] <cox377> sudo
[10:25] <furgu> dunno...
[10:25] <noaXess> hi back
[10:25] <furgu> yur fuct
[10:25] <cox377> lol
[10:25] <cox377> :s
[10:25] <cox377> let me restart kde
[10:25] <furgu> cox377, there must be something else that locked it
[10:26] <furgu> pht
[10:26] <cox377> back
[10:26] <furgu> Hey!
[10:27] <furgu> mate
[10:27] <cox377> this is werid
[10:27] <furgu> are you from england or australia?
[10:27] <cox377> when i do sudo its not asking me for my password
[10:27] <cox377> me/
[10:27] <cox377> ?
[10:27] <sotired> im trying to stream music from another machien in my house, i can access the share, view the files, copy them, delete them, but if i try to play them in kaffeine or amarok they crash. Any ideas?
[10:27] <furgu> yes
[10:27] <furgu> sudo does that
[10:27] <cox377> England man
[10:27] <furgu> its cool like that
[10:27] <cox377> normally i just do sudo -i
[10:27] <furgu> aight cool... just across the pond eh
[10:27] <cox377> haha
[10:27] <cox377> US>?
[10:27] <furgu> yah
[10:28] <cox377> how come u narrowed it down to UK Aus?
[10:28] <furgu> its the cheers thing
[10:28] <cox377> haha
[10:28] <furgu> any luck now?
[10:29] <qalimas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16714 -- fresh install of dapper, can anyone help?
[10:29] <Kadran> hi, does any one know how to convert a *.sunos5 or *.ux11 to *.deb?
[10:29] <cox377> yeh went through it
[10:29] <cox377> but it didnt update open office which is strange
[10:30] <furgu> what version do you have now/
[10:30] <furgu> ?
[10:30] <Philip5> qalimas: wrong pathnames
[10:31] <cox377> 2.0
[10:31] <qalimas> Philip5: can you help me fix them?
[10:31] <kronoz> Kadran: i don't think it would work, if the .sunos5 or ux11 was not compiled under a linux kernel
[10:31] <fiyawerx> anyone know offhand what the startup command for xfce is
[10:32] <furgu> how can you tell, did you go to Help -> About?
[10:32] <cox377> lol
[10:33] <sotired> i prayed to jesus for the answer, but i havent heard back...so maybe u ppl could help me....
[10:33] <method|> i have a hard drive with a fat 32 partition. Kubuntu is miscalculating this drives free space. Anyone know why?
[10:33] <Kadran> kronoz: i need to try microsoft internet explorer for linux and the only pakages i have are for solaries or hp-ux and no source code
[10:33] <cox377> i was being fooled by the start up screen
[10:33] <cox377> ;)
[10:33] <method|> it says that it has like 3 gigs of free space when it actually has 20
[10:33] <furgu> thought so :-)
[10:33] <furgu> cheers mate
[10:33] <Philip5> qalimas: add so the urls look like this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:33] <cox377> lol
[10:34] <kronoz> Kadran: i didn't think they has ever made ie for linux '_' i don't know sorry, try alien maybe
[10:34] <cox377> where yah from then??
[10:34] <furgu> I am a Masshole
[10:34] <noaXess> if i want diasable a cronjob in root's crontab.. i only need to put a # in front of the line, right?
[10:34] <cox377> masshole?
[10:34] <furgu> Massachusets
[10:34] <furgu> bean town
[10:34] <apokryphos> noaXess: yes
[10:34] <qalimas> Philip5: They do look like that
[10:34] <cox377> kadran any chance u can get the IE tab extention for firefox working?
[10:34] <cox377> cool
[10:34] <noaXess> apokryphos, you.. thanks.. :)
[10:34] <qalimas> or all of them?
[10:34] <Philip5> qalimas: no you don't have /ubuntu
[10:35] <sotired> im trying to stream music from another machien in my house, i can access the share, view the files, copy them, delete them, but if i try to play them in kaffeine or amarok they crash. Any ideas?
[10:35] <qalimas> yeah, in my sources.list it does
[10:35] <Kadran> kronoz: i need any web browser that can view trident layout engine and firefox use gecko so it will not work
[10:35] <qalimas> unless it needs two ubuntu/
[10:35] <heinkel_111> sotired...get any errormessages while crashing?
[10:35] <cox377> I.E tab function for FF?
[10:35] <Kadran> cox377: i will try now
[10:36] <heinkel_111> sotired: did you start from konsole?
[10:36] <furgu> /usr/share/doc/xfce4/README.Debian @ <fiyawerx>
[10:36] <sotired> no
 they made IE for linux
[10:37] <sotired> i clciked the .mp3 and selected open with amarok
[10:37] <heinkel_111> :(
[10:37] <fiyawerx> furgu: found it, it was startxfce4
[10:37] <qalimas> Philip5: this is a fresh ubuntu install, thats why itsgot me so confused
[10:37] <furgu> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/index-en.html
[10:37] <furgu> IE4Linux ^^^^
[10:37] <qalimas> during install, it even told me it couldnt contact the security reps so it commented them out
[10:37] <heinkel_111> sotired: try starting amaroK from konsole
[10:37] <sotired> just type amarok?
[10:38] <heinkel_111> uhm yea or something like that
[10:38] <heinkel_111> which amarok
[10:38] <heinkel_111> or
[10:38] <heinkel_111> which amaroK
[10:38] <furgu> No IE tabs in FF tho
[10:38] <furgu> just straight IE
[10:38] <heinkel_111> i guess should give you the path to the executable
[10:38] <heinkel_111> if amarok or amaroK does not work straight away
[10:38] <cox377> whats that furgu?
[10:38] <furgu> IE4Linux
[10:39] <Philip5> qalimas: then it's a bit strange
[10:39] <sotired> whatever one came witht he latest release
[10:39] <cox377> i just installed the IE Tab on my firefox
[10:39] <furgu> where?  FF extension?
[10:40] <D4m4ge> hi
[10:40] <gupta> I love kubuntu!!  http://h1.ripway.com/chesss/kubuntu-irc.png
[10:40] <cox377> yeh
[10:40] <gupta> My first extremely-useful script :)
[10:41] <D4m4ge> I have a problem with Kmplayer
[10:41] <D4m4ge> it does not play any type of media
[10:41] <furgu> IE Tab is not available for Linux.
[10:41] <furgu> LIARS!!!!!!!!!
[10:41] <furgu> j/k
[10:41] <D4m4ge> kaffeine does, and i have all necessary codecs installed
[10:41] <qalimas> Philip5: Yeah, you're telling me
[10:42] <sotired> still effing crashes
[10:42] <qalimas> i notice it only on this machine though, any other it works fine, i can reinstall ubuntu, kubuntu, the ubuntu server, xubuntu, they all do it all the time on this computer
[10:42] <cox377> yeh, but if you go other versions, clicked on the latest then it installed
[10:42] <cox377> wheather it works or not is another mater, i'm truing to find a site that doesnt work in firefox yet
[10:43] <qalimas> its a 32bit install on a 64bit processor, could that be it?
[10:43] <fiyawerx> wow, xfce does run fast
[10:43] <fiyawerx> i wish they kept all their icons in their menus separate sometimes tho hehe, now i have a boatload
[10:43] <sotired> this is driving me  nuts
[10:43] <furgu> I see me in a PNG!  Thx gupta
[10:43] <cox377> what u saying furgu? does it check out?
[10:44] <qalimas> nevermind, i cant take this, ive tried to get help with this for so long, weeks, and it never works out
[10:44] <furgu> cox377, no IE Tab in linux, Windowz only
[10:44] <qalimas> i like ubuntu and all, but i just have to go back to arch
[10:44] <qalimas> thanks anyway Philip5 =)
[10:44] <cox377> can someone give me a site that doesnt work in FF?
[10:44] <sotired> i cant think of any
[10:44] <sotired> goat.cx .....
[10:44] <sotired> jk
[10:45] <D4m4ge> does anyone use kmplayer? even in konqueror to play medias?
[10:45] <furgu> cox377, any site that uses ActiveX?
[10:45] <gupta> cox377: Try browsing on msn.com , something gotta be broken
[10:45] <cox377> am i not wrong in saying that active X is installable pluggin for FF?
[10:46] <furgu> for linux?
[10:46] <gupta> noway
[10:46] <cox377> maybe not
[10:47] <cox377> everything seems to work on the msn site
[10:47] <cox377> :s
[10:47] <D4m4ge> am I transparent or what? oO
[10:47] <cox377> i have d4m4age
[10:47] <D4m4ge> cox377 you have? kmplayer?
[10:47] <daschu> when i go to Adept Updater, it tells me that I can't upgrade kdm (X Display manager for KDE) because it is broken... i cannot remove it or anything... any help?
[10:47] <cox377> mplayer?
[10:48] <D4m4ge> no, Kmplayer
[10:48] <cox377> nope
[10:48] <D4m4ge> i cant understand why it does not work
[10:48] <D4m4ge> i reinstalled it so many times
[10:48] <D4m4ge> i have all plugins and codecs to play all type of files
[10:48] <martin_> hi guys, bit of a problem here, i've just installed XGL and ever since the Display module in system settings refuses to load, any ideas?
[10:48] <D4m4ge> but it just does not start playing
[10:48] <gupta> I can't see any man pages. Though they are certainly there on my pc
[10:48] <furgu> D4m4ge, what is the issue you are experiencing?
[10:48] <furgu> what is the behavior?
[10:49] <furgu> D4m4ge, error mesgs?
[10:49] <D4m4ge> furgu when i try to open a file, or play a media in konqueror, this is what happens :
[10:49] <D4m4ge> http://www.image-dream.com/image.php?image=784625baac148e392512344014f96167.png&pseudo=anonym
[10:49] <gupta> Error: no man pages found for tar. see man 7 undocumented for help
[10:50] <|lostbyte|> gupta, man tar 7
[10:50] <gupta> same error :(
[10:51] <furgu> D4m4ge, you have Xine installed?
[10:51] <D4m4ge> furgu yeah
[10:51] <gupta> nope now it adds "what manual pages do you want from section 7"
[10:51] <D4m4ge> here is what happens in the console when i try to play afile : http://pastebin.ca/74256
[10:52] <|lostbyte|> gupta, sudo apt-get install manpages
[10:52] <D4m4ge> xine works great in kaffeine
[10:52] <gupta> |lostbyte|: k , trying..
[10:52] <kub> can't mount AUDIO CDs -> "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc"
[10:52] <D4m4ge> but i would like to be able to launch video files with konqueror's Kmplayer plugin
[10:52] <D4m4ge> and it does not work :/
[10:53] <sotired> will amaroK only play local files?
[10:53] <kub> can't mount AUDIO CDs -> "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc"
[10:53] <insanekane> ubotu: tell D4m4ge about RestrictedFormats
[10:53] <KuLover> !ati
[10:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:53] <gupta> |lostbyte|: manpages already instatlled
[10:53] <insanekane> ubotu: tell D4m4ge about Restricted Formats
[10:54] <D4m4ge> kmplayer: playingStopped 0x81236d8
[10:54] <insanekane> !tell D4m4ge about Restricted Formats
[10:54] <insanekane> !RestrictedFormats
[10:54] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:54] <furgu> Have you tried AVI, D4m4ge?
[10:54] <gupta> also This file exists: /usr/share/man/man1/tar.1.gz
[10:54] <D4m4ge> avi works in kaffeine, but not in kmplayer
[10:54] <insanekane> gupta: man tar doesnt work ?
[10:54] <D4m4ge> xvidf, mpeg4...etc
[10:54] <D4m4ge> -f
[10:54] <gupta> nope
[10:54] <insanekane> wierd
[10:55] <D4m4ge> indeed :)
[10:55] <insanekane> gupta: does man:/ work in konqueror ?
[10:55] <|lostbyte|> furgu, man pages are in /usr/share/man/man1/ for tar
[10:55] <kub> can't mount AUDIO CDs -> "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc"
[10:55] <sotired> will amaroK only play local files?
[10:55] <gupta> |lostbyte|: I removed konquereor
[10:55] <cox377> furgu, maybe you can help me with one last thing, when ever i hit any of the arrow keys or the nine keys which inc del, end, etc kubuntu tries to take a damn screen shot, can you or anyone else help me to turn screen shot off. I have uninstalled it but now it just opens the screen shot folder instead
[10:55] <|lostbyte|> gupta, WHAT !
[10:55] <gupta> aptitude purge krusader
[10:56] <gupta> aptitude install krusader
[10:56] <insanekane> kub: try KsCD
[10:56] <gupta> I mean pirge konqueror
[10:56] <furgu> cox377, is there an icon for screen shot in the menu bar?
[10:56] <D4m4ge> I tried so man y times to --reinstall kmplayer and my codec packages
[10:56] <D4m4ge> many*
[10:56] <D4m4ge> but it did not help
[10:56] <insanekane> D4m4ge: haha ... i'm in the very same position as you
[10:56] <furgu> cox377, far right maybe
[10:56] <sotired> will amaroK only play local files?
[10:56] <insanekane> D4m4ge: did the file work in an older version of kubuntu dapper ?
[10:57] <D4m4ge> insanekane do you get the same error :  kmplayer: playingStopped 0x81236d8
[10:57] <D4m4ge> ?
[10:57] <cox377> furgu, nothing mate
[10:57] <furgu> D4m4ge, try completely removing with Synaptic, that fixed my koffice problem
[10:57] <D4m4ge> insanekane i had to reinstall a few days ago caus i changed my hard drive
[10:57] <D4m4ge> but it worked before
[10:57] <insanekane> D4m4ge: that "error" is normal ... the problem i believe is that the codecs are not being used properly
[10:57] <kub> insanekane: I can't try KsCD 'cause the audio CD is unmounted
[10:57] <D4m4ge> furgu i did
[10:57] <furgu> avi is a resitricted format?
[10:58] <D4m4ge> ok insanekane
[10:58] <insanekane> furgu: avi is a container format ... it may contain a restricted format
[10:58] <|lostbyte|> gupta, have you tar install ?
[10:58] <cox377> "locate:ksnapshot" furgu, thats the folder it opens
[10:58] <furgu> cox377, maybe restart x-server (ctrl-alt-backspace) - make sure everything is saved first
[10:58] <sotired> will amaroK only play local files?
[10:58] <insanekane> cox377: i think, you want to check khotkeys
[10:58] <|lostbyte|> sotired, nope ! t lays stream also.
[10:58] <gupta> |lostbyte|: I can't access any man pages
[10:59] <kub> insanekane: the CD-rom should be mounted first
[10:59] <cox377> yeh, this is a general day to day thing furgu
[10:59] <sotired> mine crashes evertime i try to stream
[10:59] <cox377> what do you mean insanekane?
[10:59] <furgu> check hotkeys
[10:59] <furgu> dunno
[10:59] <furgu> sorry
[10:59] <cox377> what does that mean check hotkeys?
, where be the hot key?
[11:00] <|lostbyte|> gupta, in konqueror ?
[11:00] <|lostbyte|> opps sorry..
[11:00] <|lostbyte|> gupta, look in /usr/share/man/man1/
[11:00] <insanekane> cox377: k->system settings->regional and accessibility-><look at all the keyboards stuff>
[11:01] <gupta> |lostbyte|: That folder is well populated with *.gz files
[11:01] <kub> can't mount AUDIO CDs -> "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc"
[11:01] <cox377> cheers insanekane
[11:02] <[Nirvana] > kub: something wrong with /etc/fstab
[11:02] <[Nirvana] > ?
[11:02] <fiyawerx> furgu: wree you the one that said your using xfce over nx?
[11:02] <furgu> yah fiyawerx
[11:02] <insanekane> gupta: k->system settings->regional and accessibility->input actions ... look at the tree in the middle ... you will see "ksnapshot" ... click it, and then select disable on the right
, let me guess, wrong window size?
[11:02] <fiyawerx> oh, no its working fine
[11:02] <kub> [Nirvana] : /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[11:02] <furgu> ah ok
[11:02] <sotired> i guess im never going to get this one solved...
[11:03] <insanekane> sotired: try try try try again
[11:03] <fiyawerx> but the #xubuntu channel is quiet, was just wondering if there was really a reason to use it instead of kde on a decent specced system
[11:03] <zorglu1> kub: iso9660 is for data cd, not audio cd
[11:03] <fiyawerx> do you still use K apps?
[11:03] <fiyawerx> like k3b/konversation?
[11:03] <sotired> i have been
[11:03] <zorglu1> kub: i didnt follow the whole thing, just doing a remark :)
[11:03] <kub> zorglu1: sure, but udf is present too
[11:03] <furgu> fiyawerx, as long as QT and GTK are installed you should be able to run about any KDE/Gnome app
[11:04] <insanekane> i dont think you have to 'mount' an audio cd to play ...
[11:04] <kub> insanekane: really?
[11:04] <fiyawerx> furgu: nod, just wondering what ones you use really
[11:04] <fiyawerx> furgu: as im pretty new to all of it, im still open for suggestions :)
[11:04] <fiyawerx> furgu: im not set on one specific app like konversaiton for irc, etc..
[11:04] <|lostbyte|> gupta, man /usr/share/man/man1/tar.1.gz
[11:04] <furgu> I just use fxce over freenx because it is snapier
[11:05] <fiyawerx> but like people were saying k3b is one of the best burners?
[11:05] <kub> insanekane: I can't choose any CD device from KsCD...
[11:05] <furgu> use XChat for IRC tho
[11:05] <fiyawerx> amarok for players, etc..
[11:05] <wilsone> heh
[11:05] <insanekane> kub: yeah .. i am playing an audio cd right now ... and it isnt mounted
[11:05] <gupta> |lostbyte|: That works!!, Thanks a lot
[11:06] <bobesponja> hey all
[11:06] <fiyawerx> i dislike the whole multiple installs too, so for instance if im going to like xfce, i'll reinstall my system with xubuntu instead of kubuntu as a base
[11:06] <|lostbyte|> gupta, some thing wrong with the config file i guess..
[11:06] <bobesponja> is it possible to mount the kubuntu iso and istall it from there=?
[11:06] <|lostbyte|> gupta, /etc/manpath.config
[11:06] <fiyawerx> for no other reason than im ocd about knowign there's stuff on there im not using, heh
[11:06] <kub> insanekane: I don't know what to do, then
, dont use k3b or amorok, I am not a cool kid, KDE and XFCE can live side by side they wont fight... its not multiple installs of anything, just choice of WM no worries mate
[11:06] <gupta> |lostbyte|: ok, I'll check it out, though I don't remmeber modifying it.  You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:11] <furgu> !tell me about help
[11:11] <SkrotFFS> Any idea when dapper will get a newer kernel (i need uevent)?
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> Never
[11:12] <SkrotFFS> Really?
[11:12] <furgu> SkrotFFS, probably best to compile your own kernel if you need some newer feature
[11:12] <furgu> SkrotFFS, you may be waiting awhile
[11:12] <insanekane> kub: did you diable the dialog ?
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> SkrotFFS: Until edgy probably
[11:12] <SkrotFFS> I see :)
[11:12] <furgu> SkrotFFS, there are some how-tos on the ubuntu forums, pretty easy actually
[11:13] <kub> insanekane: I am not getting any dialog asking what I wanna do with the CD... I didn't disable that option
[11:13] <SkrotFFS> I know how to do my own kernel. It's just that the ubuntu-kernel works perfectly (except lacking of uevent)
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> Is uevent in 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 ?
[11:13] <insanekane> kub: k->System settings->Storage Media ... then select "Audio CD" in the combo box ... and then in the list box, see if any of the actions has a "(Auto Action)" after its name
[11:13] <SkrotFFS> 2.6.16
[11:13] <furgu> SkrotFFS, you may know how to compile on other systems but Ubuntu is special you may need to do it specially for ubuntu
[11:13] <SkrotFFS> And upwards I'd guess
[11:14] <furgu> SkrotFFS, I tried to compile the standard way and got foobared
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> 2.6.16 is pretty easy but 2.6.17 needs a newer udev to work properly
[11:14] <SkrotFFS> furgu: Okay, let me rephrase: I've compiled my own kernel for kubuntu before :)
[11:14] <furgu> ok yay
[11:14] <SkrotFFS> I needed some special stuff for my laptop (acpi+apic stuff)
[11:14] <SkrotFFS> But now it works great with the default ubuntukernel
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> I am using http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/kernel/kernel-kanotix-current.zip (The source deb with the edgy udev)
[11:15] <kub> insanekane: any action in the list has a Auto Action
[11:15] <keyne> I got a little question about kde: when i select an url with the mouse, i would like to have a menu or smth to open it with konqueror
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> SkrotFFS: The source deb is inside that zip (Has alot of performance related kernel patches and seems pretty stable - not crashed for me)
[11:16] <insanekane> kub: hunh ?
[11:16] <keyne> anyone knows how to do that ?
[11:16] <SkrotFFS> h3sp4wn: neat. I'll check it out later
[11:17] <kub> insanekane: sorry, there is not Auto Action selected
[11:18] <cox377> insanekane: your a f**King legend mate.. do u know how sodding irratating it's been without being able to use those keys
[11:18] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> can someone help me install wine on x64 kubuntu?>
[11:18] <kub> insanekane: my system doesn't "detect" the audio CD when I put it in, that's why I am not seeing any dialog asking me what to do
[11:18] <altprsona> hi , im on breezy kubuntu, trying to either upgrade my kopete to the newest vers or install the yahoo messenger, both are driving me nuts.
[11:19] <|lostbyte|> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd, try ! #winehq
[11:19] <altprsona> on kopete i have cascading dependency problems, and for the yahoo  messenger i have 1 dependency issue
[11:20] <|lostbyte|> altprsona, :( ymessenger has dependency problem..
[11:20] <|lostbyte|> altprsona, allthough there is a way.. but does'nt work for me..
[11:20] <insanekane> kub: exactly
[11:20] <insanekane> cox377: i can imagine
[11:20] <cox377> lol
[11:21] <n0ctuRnaL-fieNd> |lostbyte|: i tried , nothing but assholes in that channel
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> n0ctuRnaL-fieNd: Probably people who could help you though if you phrased your questions correctly
[11:23] <thomas_> how can i change the symbolic link from gcc from 4.0 to 3.4 ?
[11:23] <thomas_> someone knows this ?
[11:24] <fiyawerx> if you install something like xubuntu-desktop and all the packages it installs, can you uninstall them all just as easy? like apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop?
[11:24] <|lostbyte|> thomas_, ls -l  /usr/bin/gcc
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: Don't bother - just use export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[11:24] <kub> insanekane: is it possible to install Kubuntu from a image stored in a server?
[11:24] <thomas_> ok thank i will try it
[11:25] <kub> is it possible to install Kubuntu from a image stored in a server?
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: The rest of your system is built with gcc 4 (mostly or all I don't know) you don't want to change it permanently I don't think
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> kub: Yes
[11:26] <|lostbyte|> kub, i think its done throught ssh.
[11:26] <thomas_> ok thats the reason i couldnt remove the gcc 4.0 package :-) good to know
[11:26] <ChefWill> kub:
[11:26] <ChefWill> !netboot
[11:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:26] <kub> how?
[11:26] <ChefWill> ^^^
[11:26] <Ertain> My screensaver doesn't seem to work.  It's configured to go off after five minutes of being idle.  I'm using a regular screensaver; it doesn't require OpenGL stuff.  I think it's because I have a program running or processing.  Any clues?
[11:26] <ChefWill> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[11:26] <gaz> hello people
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> i need a nice image, with tux and kubuntu logo, anybody have an idea?
[11:27] <Ertain> !wacom
[11:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about wacom
[11:27] <gaz> anyone know a gimp alternative, cso i'm used to working in photoshop and gimp just doesnt do it for me
[11:27] <kub> booting from the CD? and then?
[11:27] <zorglu1> gaz: you may try krita... it is simpler than gimp
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> making the partitions with fdisk and then using dd
[11:27] <kdefreak> :) its fixed
[11:27] <ChefWill> krita stinks :P dont even bother
[11:27] <thomas_> how can i see what version is used when gcc is entered
[11:28] <ChefWill> gcc --version
[11:28] <thomas_> yeah
[11:28] <thomas_> but
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: ./configure respects the CC and CXX environment variables
[11:28] <thomas_> ok
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: Unless you are using something with gcc hardcoded into the Makefile you would never need to change the symlink (I would just change the Makefile)
[11:29] <Ertain> !screensaver
[11:30] <ubotu> I know nothing about screensaver
[11:30] <ChefWill> Linux bluebook 2.6.15-25-386 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 14 11:25:49 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:30] <thomas_> ok i have to search for the makefile because this is generated automatic from the install program
[11:31] <kub> I wanna reinstall Kubuntu but I want to keep all my data, is it possible? and how?
[11:31] <kub> from a server, if possible
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: If you just do export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 && CXX=/usr/bin/g++-3.4 (then run ./configure again it should be fine)
[11:31] <gatekeeper> kub: use tar
[11:32] <zorglu1> kub, backup your data, reinstall, restore your data
[11:32] <zorglu1> kub: no magic can be applied
[11:32] <kub> zorglu1: no, I wanna keep my current configuration
[11:33] <zorglu1> kub: ok you want to 'reinstall' or just update/upgrade ?
[11:33] <kub> zorglu1: just a reinstall-repair...
[11:33] <kub> zorglu1: some things are not working, I wanna repair them
[11:33] <zorglu1> kub: ok define reinstall
[11:34] <zorglu1> kub: you have to help us help you :) describe precisely your problems :)
[11:34] <yur> any one know if we can have kde and at the same time gnom?thnx
[11:34] <zorglu1> yur, you can
[11:34] <kub> zorglu1: reinstall = install all packages again, but keeping changes I made until now on my system
[11:35] <kub> zorglu1: something like that
[11:35] <kub> zorglu1: windows-reinstall style... :P
[11:35] <yur> how can ido that,thnx
[11:35] <zorglu1> kub: why do you want to do that ?
[11:35] <gatekeeper> yur: you mean installed on the same system ?
[11:35] <yur> ya
[11:35] <zorglu1> kub: what do you expect from it ?
[11:35] <robotgeek> kub: backup ~/
[11:36] <zorglu1> yur, something like 'sudo apt-get install kde-desktop gnome-desktop'
[11:36] <robotgeek> kub: also, dpkg --get-selections > packagelist.txt
[11:36] <gatekeeper> yur: have you installed ubuntu or kubuntu already or neither?
[11:36] <kub> zorglu1: well, I'm having problems with the audio system, cdrom, smb, etc... nothing important, but annoying (my install crashed)
[11:36] <yur> ubuntu
[11:36] <kub> but I don't wanna make a fresh install again
[11:36] <zorglu1> kub: you should :)
[11:37] <zorglu1> kub: if your installed crashed, reinstall from scratch
[11:37] <zorglu1> my advice :)
[11:37] <gatekeeper> yur: I think it is apt-get install kdesktop hang on while I check...
[11:37] <kub> zorglu1: :) but I know it will crash again...
[11:38] <yur> k thnx
[11:38] <kub> zorglu1: always do
[11:38] <zorglu1> kub, you should try to fix the why it crash
[11:38] <kub> zorglu1: impossible to say
[11:38] <kub> zorglu1: it crash at 86% (installing basic packages)
[11:38] <gatekeeper> yur: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:39] <zorglu1> kub, ok reburn cd and check them :)
[11:39] <zorglu1> kub: smell like bad cd from here
[11:39] <yur> thnx gatekeeper it it D/n now
[11:39] <kub> zorglu1: that's why I wanna repair the system without making a fresh install
[11:39] <gatekeeper> yur: your welcome :-)
[11:40] <zorglu1> kub: my advice is 'it is clearly not a good idea' :)
[11:40] <kub> zorglu1: not possible, I tried from my CD-RW unit too... same situation
[11:40] <zorglu1> kub: 25years of computer here, this may give some credibility to my opinino :)
[11:40] <kub> zorglu1: I don't doubt it, my friend
[11:41] <kub> zorglu1: but I can do what I can do...
[11:41] <zorglu1> kub: have you checked the cd you burned ?
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> zorglu1: Someone else earlier's install also crashed at 86% I don't know whether that would be coincidence
[11:41] <zorglu1> kub, there are some option for that
[11:41] <gatekeeper> yur: you might find this usefull: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[11:41] <TheHighChild> off hand, can someone tell me how to redirect my output to /dev/null? for example, all the crap I get when launching kate 'kate &' I would like to redirect to /dev/null. 'kate filename & > /dev/null' doesn't do it for me
[11:41] <thomas_> I have a problem with my shutdown and I know some other users out there in the net have this problem too
[11:41] <kub> zorglu1: I checked and it's ok
[11:41] <zorglu1> h3sp4wn: hmm the 86% seems to say no :(
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: Using fglrx ?
[11:42] <thomas_> when i want to shutdown my laptop it doesnt shutdown really it only goes to Will now halt and doesnt power of
[11:42] <thomas_> f
[11:42] <zorglu1> kub: hmm so i dunno :) sorry i have to do some frag on tremulous
[11:42] <zorglu1> kub: good luck :)
[11:42] <kub> zorglu1: thanks a lot
[11:42] <kernal> fajita: how are you?
[11:43] <thomas_> stays at acpi_power_off
[11:44] <thomas_> but i dont know how to fix this
[11:44] <gatekeeper> kub: here is a howto to backup and restore your system, but you could modify it just to backup your date then reinstall then restore your data: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> thomas_: If you are using ati 's binary drivers then I would expect that to happen
[11:45] <kub> gatekeeper: data = programs + configuration of the whole system?
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> kub: The configuration of the whole system is broken restoring that would be pointless
[11:45] <yur> gatekeeper,i have another qstion,now it tell me select the desired default display manager: gbm orr kdm
[11:46] <yur> srry gdm or kdm
[11:46] <thomas_> that means i have to uninstall the ati drivers ?
[11:46] <zorglu1> kub: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-76482.html
[11:46] <thomas_> then i my laptop shutdown correctly
[11:46] <fiyawerx> !firefox
[11:46] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[11:47] <zorglu1> kub: google keyword ubuntu install cd "86%"
[11:47] <kub> h3sp4wn: you are right...
[11:47] <yur> gatekeeper,i have another qstion,now it tell me select the desired default display manager: gdm or kdm
[11:47] <gatekeeper> yur: you select which window manager you want to use, when the login screen appears if you just log in it will use whatever you used last unless you select the other one
[11:47] <kernal> firefox
[11:48] <kernal> !firefox
[11:48] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[11:48] <yur> k i selected kdm it  is jnstalling :-)
[11:49] <kernal> !i810
[11:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about i810
[11:49] <gatekeeper> yur: doesn't matter which one you select as default, the default one will become which ever one you last used
[11:50] <yur> k thnx
[11:50] <yur> k now it finished i just have 2 restar my pc ?
[11:50] <macd> any recomendations on howto split a mpg to burn on multiple vcds?
[11:50] <gatekeeper> yur: enjoy :-)
[11:51] <yur> thnx
[11:51] <gatekeeper> yur: probable a good idea
[11:51] <gatekeeper> yur: you may only only need to log out
[11:52] <gatekeeper> then log back in
[12:00] <chicken_Fire> hi, I have a problem: gam_server takes 20% cpu after one day uptime... How do I remove it at boot?


[21:42] <tinkermarz> Hi! Can I submit wallpapers for the contest without a Yahoo account. Do you have an email address as well? I don't want to register at Yahoo.
[21:52] <tinkermarz> Anybody in here?
[21:55] <tinkermarz> Hi LioneLL!
[21:55] <tinkermarz> Can you help me with the wallpaper contest?
[22:00] <tinkermarz> Okay. I'm giving up. Good night everyone.


[05:55] <gorgut> hello, folks. I'm looking to get a cloak and read that I was supposed to ask in here?
[06:21] <nalioth> gorgut: depends on the cloak
[14:07] <Servarium> hello
[14:07] <Servarium> i'd like to be unbanned from #ubuntu-nl and #ubuntu-nl-offtopic
[14:07] <Servarium> ive been banned there for 4 months now
[14:17] <LjL> i'm not sure how calling operators names in other channels might help your cause
[14:21] <Servarium> because maybe dutch operators are in this channel?
[14:23] <jester-> Servarium:   /cs access #ubuntu-nl list to see the ops list
[14:24] <LjL> Servarium: no, i didn't mean *this* channel.
[14:24] <LjL> Servarium: i meant another channels. and when i said "names", that was an euphemism
[14:32] <gorgut> hello folks. I read in a FAQ that I should ask in here to get an ubuntu member cloak. I've followed the steps to set up my nick. what else do i need to do?
[14:35] <stdin> are you an ubuntu member?
[14:36] <gorgut> i am on the forums and on launchpad
[14:36] <stdin> !member
[14:36] <stdin> you need to apply for ubuntu membership
[14:37] <gorgut> ok then. Thanks


 Everyone is telling me nvidia ftw
[00:38] <snap-l> I have an AMD card in this machine
[00:38] <snap-l> orered another one
[00:40] <snap-l> I'm sure it's great if you have the Geforce uber-fucktard 1e+48 version, but trying to figure out what magic incantation makes the GeForce 7500LE not shit itself is not my idea of an evening well spent.
[00:44] <Blazeix> i think you have a reasonably modern card, you won't have trouble with nvidia
[00:44] <snap-l> Yeah, that's just it. This card is not modern by any stretch of the imagination
[00:44] <Blazeix> "reasonably modern" means less than 5 or 6 years. ish
[00:45] <snap-l> It's a shit OEM card
[00:45] <Blazeix> just reassuring rick_h_ that he shouldn't think twice about buying a nice nvidia card :)
[00:45] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_7_Series#GeForce_7500_LE_.28OEM.29
[00:50] <rick_h_> hmm, yea the ones from system76 aren't on there at all
[00:51] <brousch> intel ftw
[00:52] <snap-l> Intel FTNoperformance
[00:53] <rick_h_> tiles fine here :P
[00:53] <rick_h_> but yea, going to get the  GTX 660
[00:55] <rick_h_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html wtf, how many models can one product need?
[00:55] <rick_h_> I mean, even MS is looking at that list going w..t..f
[00:56] <rick_h_> I did want an AMD card at one point when I found one that would do triple head
[00:56] <snap-l> Well, this one is for the desktop series, and this one is for the laptop series,
[00:57] <snap-l> and this one is for the OEM Inuit PC builders.
[00:58] <rick_h_> hmm, so if I get a second one I can do 3 displays?
[00:58] <snap-l> I'm not sure how that works
[00:59] <rick_h_> gah, a 680?
[01:02] <rick_h_> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/394157-33-will-support-monitors nvm woot!
[01:03] <snap-l> Yeah, but will Linux support it?
[01:03] <rick_h_> up to the nvidia driver I guess. I know awesome can handle it
[01:04] <rick_h_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/21144/how-do-i-get-three-monitors-working
[01:04] <rick_h_> that's for 2011
[01:04] <rick_h_> so hopefully still works in today's world
[01:07] <rick_h_> here we go, closer http://superuser.com/questions/476012/linux-nvidia-surround-3-monitors
[01:15] <snap-l> I'm about ready to decapitate something
[01:16] <brousch> beers are in the fridge
[01:16] <snap-l> Fucking Banshee is locking up
[01:16] <snap-l> trying to import disks
[02:19] <derekv> some chance of new kinesis ergo in 2013 http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36195.msg861000#msg861000
[02:29] <rick_h_> cool, have cornice hooked up with redis and an api for getting/setting/removing config values.
[02:29] <rick_h_> not sold on the error'ing methodology but still cool
[02:31] <derekv> i spent all day looking at mountain bikes online.
[02:31] <rick_h_> woot!
[02:31] <rick_h_> anything good?
[02:33] <rick_h_> ooooh, I like this error a lot better
[02:39] <Blazeix> rick_h_: nice. so cornice adds rest specification stuff (content-type, verbs, etc) to pyramid?
[02:42] <derekv> yea I went to order brake replacements/upgrades for my old mtb but became uncertain because the front fork mount is nonstandard
[02:45] <derekv> then started looking into new ones and fell in love with one ... but its cheap and there's not like anywhere around here i can just ride
[02:45] <derekv> er ride one
[02:46] <derekv> also trying to figure out a new video card
[02:48] <rick_h_> Blazeix yea and csn tie into shpinx for generating api docs and the like.
[02:49] <Blazeix> cool
[03:08] <derekv> oh new dr episode
[03:17] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/945/ is kind of how it's working/code. Didn't want to push yet as it's a local mess as I just tinkered with cornice POC
[05:25] <derekv> amazon down
[11:59] <snap-l> GOod morning
[13:13] <snap-l> I hate it when I accidentally hit something on my headphones, and suddenly my headphone explode into stereo because of a bad connection
[13:14] <snap-l> Was blaming something in the audio chain (Squeezebox resamplling or something like that).
[13:35] <jrwren_> igt tat etitrom static electricitinnthephones to sceand sodetecting change in
[13:35] <jrwren_> wow. kb wtf.
[13:36] <rick_h_> lol, time to change the batteries
[13:36] <jrwren_> i get that sometimes from static electricity in the headphone to source and source detecting a change
[13:36] <jrwren_> this was direct on laptop kb.
[13:36] <jrwren_> really strange. MAC
[13:36] <jrwren_> i hate mac
[13:47] <brousch> I have several rows from the same table I need to update in my web application. What strategy should I use for uniquely identifying form fields so each row's fields can be distinguished from each other?
[13:48] <brousch> Add a -uid to the end of each field?
[13:49] <brousch> That seems ugly and annoying
[13:49] <rick_h_> how's the form submitted? JS or normal http post?
[13:50] <brousch> post
[13:50] <rick_h_> brousch: and it's all one form you submit at once right?
[13:50] <brousch> yeah
[13:51] <rick_h_> then yea, you have to adjust the field names to match some index/id
[13:52] <brousch> Then I have to manually parse it all on the server?
[13:52] <brousch> Seems so hackish
[13:52] <rick_h_> yep, welcome to the limitations of http
[13:53] <rick_h_> if you did it in JS, you could data-id="xx" and parse the fields, json the data, and send a single call with the data nice and objectified
[14:25] <snap-l> brousch: You shouldn't be updating table data on a page anyway. That's what Excel is for
[14:25] <brousch> :P
[14:26] <snap-l> Right tool, right job
[14:26] <brousch> This is much nastier than I thought it would be
[14:27] <snap-l> Hm, it's take our offspring to work day on the 25th
[14:27] <snap-l> Wonder if I could bring my cat to work?
[14:28] <jjesse> is your cat your offspring?  if so that is weird and then acceptable
[14:28] <snap-l> jjesse: She's my little fur-baby.
[14:28] <snap-l> (and no, I can't type that with a straight face)
[14:40] <jjesse> lol
[14:44] <snap-l> So, who else is gonna pour a forty for Earth day?
[14:51] <jjesse> i filled my car up with gas today in support of earth day
[14:52] <snap-l> I'm gonna turn off the lights and read a book via my Nook.
[14:52] <snap-l> because i like to miss the point. :)
[15:19] <greg-g> I haz almost complete standing desk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/8672540524/in/photostream
[15:30] <snap-l> Cool setup, but lose the keyboard. :)
[15:31] <snap-l> Also, the M310 is my favorite mouse. :)
[15:31] <snap-l> Cheap, but feels awesome
[15:54] <greg-g> what's wrong with the keyboard?!
[15:55] <snap-l> I can't handle those keyboards. They do bad things to my brain
[16:28] <brousch> OMG I think I've been fighting a bug in Chrome's inspect element tools
[16:28] <brousch> Pulling my hair out
[16:29] <brousch> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101667/snapshot21.png
[16:29] <brousch> You can see the value in the highlighted input is 2, but in the inspector it says value="1"
[16:56] <snap-l> I see the problem
[16:56] <snap-l> You're using KDE
[16:56] <snap-l> Does weird things to the brain, that KDE.
[16:57] <snap-l> Also, did that start off life as 1 and then get changed to 2?
[16:58] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: Quick question:  what is Bookie using for full text search?
[17:10] <brousch> yes
[17:10] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: whoosh
[17:11] <devinheitmueller> Ah, cool.  Thanks.
[17:11] <greg-g> rick_h_: how do you like working with it?
[17:11] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: work project is elasticsearch.
[17:11] <greg-g> rick_h_: Chris Webber (the Mediagoblin guy) is looking for a search solution
[17:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: <3 it. Pure python. Works for scale of around 30k or so web pages.
[17:12] <devinheitmueller> Given the extremely small dataset I'm dealing with (a few thousand records), Whoosh is probably more than sufficient for me.
[17:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: but since it's file based it's disk limited, hard to sync and scale out.
[17:13] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: yea, for small stuff that doesn't need to HA it's awesome and allows for a lot of fine tune'd fulltext tweaking for folks that know what they want
[17:13] <rick_h_> much nicer than trying to sync diffs in sqlite/mysql/pgsql fulltext
[17:13] <devinheitmueller> Nice.
[17:13] <rick_h_> to match whatever db you feel like using with the ORM
[17:14] <devinheitmueller> I've got a fairly small static dataset, so I don't really care that much how efficient it is.
[17:14] <greg-g> cool
[17:14] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: cool, yea then pure python ftw
[17:14] <devinheitmueller> Basically just trying to build a search engine around a Q/A session:  http://drugfactsweek.drugabuse.gov/chat/2011/index.php
[17:14] <rick_h_> cool
[17:16] <brousch> The big guys use solr
[17:16] <greg-g> we use lucene/solr at Wikimedia
[17:16] <snap-l> Wow, Vim is amazing
[17:16] <snap-l> http://vimcasts.org/episodes/supercharged-substitution-with-subvert/
[18:14] <rick_h_> man, scary I've got a pair fo 3TB drives and that was because I didn't want to spend the $$ for 4TB :/
[18:14] <rick_h_> time to test the syology upgrade process
[18:15] <snap-l> rick_h_: I can't fathom having 4TB on a drive
[18:15] <snap-l> Scared me enough to have 1TB of data in one location.
[18:16] <snap-l> Of course that also held true for 1GB drives. :)
[18:17] <greg-g> btrfs raid ftw
[18:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, well it'll be 3TB mirror raid on the NAS
[18:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: but still. Crazy. I've got backups of laptops long gone I just keep
[18:18] <greg-g> :)
[18:18] <rick_h_> because it's more work to go through and see if there's anything I need to hold onto vs just rsync'ing /home /etc /var each time I do a new install
[18:19] <snap-l> WHen copying over my parents' machine (heir 340GB drive) I realized there were several copies of the same damn files
[18:19] <snap-l> and a copy of files from their old 486 machine
[18:20] <snap-l> And you're right; it's cheaper to just copy the damn stuff forward than to actually go through and prune
[18:21] <snap-l> WOnder if in the future we'll stop using magnetic media, and just have optical media that is Write Once, Read Many
[18:21] <snap-l> because the media will be so cheap, and there's no worry of it degrading
[18:24] <rick_h_> heh, anyone need any 500GB drives? Pulling out 2TB ones to put in the desktop and 3TB going in. 500GB seems so...quaint now
[18:25] <rick_h_> actually have a desktop I need to make disappear shortly.
[18:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: What CPU?
[18:26] <rick_h_> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         E8400  @ 3.00GHz
[18:27] <rick_h_> 8GB ram
[18:30] <snap-l> Respectable.
[18:31] <greg-g> definitely no where near not respectable ;)
[18:31] <snap-l> Well, it's a dual core machine.
[18:32] <rick_h_> yea, it's a custom built then I put together years ago to be a file server
[18:32] <rick_h_> and was running my jenkins builds of bookie, been headless, etc
[18:32] <rick_h_> basically been turned off for a long time since I got tired of sync'ing/etc as my laptop is more powerful
[18:33] <snap-l> Hm, we need to have it do something useful again
[18:34] <rick_h_> yea, like fly away and not take up space. :)
[18:34] <snap-l> heh
[18:34] <rick_h_> hmm, formatting 3tb seems like it's giong to take a while
[18:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ya think?
[18:34]  * rick_h_ wants to start backup!
[18:35] <jrwren_> this looks sweet: https://github.com/bulletproofnetworks/ript
[18:35] <jrwren_> rick_h_: can I have your old drives?
[18:36] <rick_h_> jrwren_: cool
[18:36] <jrwren_> i cut a SATA cable to fit ESATA based on snap-l conversation last week but I have no working SATA drives with which to test :)
[18:36] <rick_h_> jrwren_: no, going to take my old 2tb ones and put them in the desktop when I get it
[18:36] <rick_h_> jrwren_: oh, I've got some spare 500GB sata ones if you need
[18:37] <jrwren_> i'll take 2 if you got 'em :)
[18:37] <jrwren_> CHC on Wednesday? :)
[18:37] <rick_h_> jrwren_: have to get an esata enclosure though
[18:37] <snap-l> jrwren_: That means you'll need to come into Oakland County
[18:37] <jrwren_> snap-l: for a pair of 500GB drives, I'll come into Oakland Co :)
[18:38] <snap-l> Hypocrite. ;)
[18:38] <jrwren_> rick_h_: part of the test was trying to run drives without an esata enclosure.
[18:38] <jrwren_> snap-l: you know it ;)
[18:38] <rick_h_> jrwren_: jrwren_ ah, got it
[18:38] <snap-l> Speaking of coming into Oakland County, any of you coming to Penguicon?
[18:39] <jrwren_> uncertain
[18:41] <snap-l> It's this weekend, in case you were procrastinating. ;)
[18:42] <rick_h_> jrwren_: ok, so yea. I've got 3 of them, and one 500GB IDE drive
[18:42] <jrwren_> Steve Andre', Marcus Watts - openbsd. every year. kudos to them for doing it every year.
[18:43] <jrwren_> rick_h_: they are all 500? I'll take 'em. I can put 'em to use.
[18:43] <rick_h_> jrwren_: cool. I've got to pull two out of the desktop. They're not plugged in. I didn't bother re-resetting up the raid5 when I did the last ubuntu install on there
[18:44] <snap-l> Good thing they're not 500MB. You'd be hard pressed to put them to use. :)
[18:44] <jrwren_> True!
[18:44] <jrwren_> i remember dropping a lot of coin (for me at the time) on a 500MB drive back in '95
[18:44] <jrwren_> maybe it was '96
[18:45] <snap-l> I remember dropping a lot of coin for a 60MB drive and a SCSI enclosure (along with a SCSI interface for my Atari 800XL)
[18:45] <snap-l> s/60/40/
[18:45] <jrwren_> holy crap? seriously?
[18:46] <snap-l> Yep
[18:46] <jrwren_> i only had cassette tape for my 800XL
[18:46] <jrwren_> i didn't even know you could get HD for them
[18:46] <snap-l> Yeah, and they had some strange partitioning system where you could map any of the partitions as a floppy disk
[18:47] <snap-l> It was a third-party mod
[18:47] <jrwren_> how was it managed?
[18:47] <jrwren_> it didn't exactly have a filesystem.
[18:48] <jrwren_> manual partition management? I guess I could see that.
[18:48] <snap-l> Yeah, you basically mapped each parition to a drive letter
[18:48] <snap-l> using some special OS drivers.
[18:48] <jrwren_> drive letters?
[18:48] <snap-l> D1, D2, ... D8
[18:48] <jrwren_> are you thikning of ST instead of 800XL?
[18:48] <jrwren_> huh, cool.
[18:49] <snap-l> D8 was usually a RAMDisk
[18:49] <jrwren_> hahaha, from teh 64KB of RAM ?
[18:49] <snap-l> Nope, I don't have a ST machine
[18:49] <rick_h_> still formatting...
[18:49] <snap-l> It as more useful on the 130XE
[18:49] <snap-l> since you could only address 64K at a time
[18:50] <snap-l> They used bank-switching to access the upper 64K, so it made sense to use that as a ram disk
[18:50] <snap-l> since no programs were likely to use it
[18:50] <snap-l> jrwren_: I'll have to show you the hardware. It was really cool.
[18:51] <snap-l> It was the CSS Black Box
[18:51] <jrwren_> makes sense
[18:51] <snap-l> http://www.nleaudio.com/css/products/black.htm
[18:52] <rick_h_> lol, pulled the old HP mini down from the rack.
[18:53] <snap-l> decommissioned?
[18:53] <rick_h_> well it was still on
[18:53] <rick_h_> but yea, it's sitting on top of the NAS and not doing anything.  It's more maint. to sync up your config/settings. Tracking what's on it. manage the ip addresses/services. Backup data
[18:56] <snap-l> (That said, I'm all about getting every last MIP out of the Intel hardware)
[18:57] <rick_h_> I started to keep the pypi mirror on there thinking it's low power/etc
[18:57] <rick_h_> but dealing with it being on the internal network and when I'm home/away/offline
[18:57] <rick_h_> ended up just loading it up locally instead
[18:57] <snap-l> Yeah
[18:57] <snap-l> though SSH tunnels are your friend
[19:22] <rick_h_> format is done, backup time!
[19:22]  * rick_h_ does some match. 1.2TB at USB2 wheeee
[19:22] <rick_h_> /match/math
[19:22] <snap-l> No fun
[19:23] <rick_h_> it's ok. I realized there's a flaw in my plan. So I ahve to wait for another disk to arrive wed before I can complete this
[19:23] <snap-l> Heh
[19:23] <snap-l> Does it support USB3?
[19:23] <rick_h_> "hmm, don't trust the synology to grow the FS after swapping the disks so need to copy to usb. Only disks I have big enough are the new 3TB ones
[19:24] <rick_h_> so stuck one in the external carrier, backup
[19:24] <rick_h_> then take the second and swap one disk in the NAS
[19:24] <rick_h_> but then I need to pull out the 'backup' and replace the second one in the NAS leaving me backup-less
[19:24] <rick_h_> no, no usb3. I got the cheap low end model sans esata and usb3
[19:24] <rick_h_> but it's lower powered atom and such so swapped out for the 99% use case
[19:35] <snap-l> Wish Unheilig albums were available in this country. Apparently only Puppenspeil is the only one
[19:37] <snap-l> (Think Rammstein with more classical influence, and more "soul")
[20:16] <rick_h_> hmm, backup state "verifying destination size" for 25min
[20:19] <jrwren_> what time is CHC on Wednesday? how late do you usually code?
[20:20] <jrwren_> i have Unheilig discgo
[20:20] <jrwren_> discog rather.
[20:20] <snap-l> jrwren_: Best not bring it to CHC. ;)
[20:20] <snap-l> I might have to roll you for it. :)
[20:21] <snap-l> CHC starts at 8pm this week
[20:21] <snap-l> next week it's 7pm
[20:21] <snap-l> lasts until 10pm
[20:21] <jrwren_> i don't have it on CD, only mp3
[20:21] <snap-l> Ah
[20:21] <snap-l> I have the Puppenspeil CD
[20:21] <snap-l> Was trying to go legit on some old MP3s that my friend sent me
[20:22] <snap-l> but that's nigh impossible
[20:22] <jrwren_> yay. i can make both events... the drivig part will suck, but I'll do both, because, why not :)
[20:23] <snap-l> jrwren_: Awesome!
[20:23] <rick_h_> woot
[20:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: smoser long CHC wed 7pm 3hr edition
[20:24] <snap-l> next week
[20:24] <smoser> rick_h_, thanks for the invite. i dont think i will make it, but i do appreciate the reminder.
[20:25] <snap-l> I want to like Duplicity, but sheesh it's a bit of a pig when it comes to backups
[21:10] <rick_h_> lol "1d 5hr remaining"
[21:10] <greg-g> :)
[21:11] <greg-g> snap-l: obnam!
[23:42] <snap-l> Evening
[23:43] <rick_h_> evening


[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[11:14] <czajkowski> morning folks
[12:44] <silverlion> o/
[16:47] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great weekend everyone!
[16:47] <dholbach> see you on monday!


[03:53] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! Do people here also manage the LP website?
[03:55] <JoseeAntonioR> Well, in login.launchpad.net it appears 2004-2011 instead of 2012 in the bottom, and in login.ubuntu.com 2009-2011 instead of 2009-2012


[22:25] <nhaines> Gareth: Do we know the expo floor start and end dates for February 20th-22nd yet?
[22:34] <nhaines> Also by "dates" I mean "times"
[23:12] <Gareth> nhaines: we do but we haven't announced them yet :)
[23:23] <nhaines> Gareth: Do you know when you'll announce them?  It's difficult to ask for volunteers to sign up without knowing what they're signing up for.  :)
[23:24] <nhaines> New SCALE13X wiki page for the team and volunteer signup, for everyone else: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale13x
[23:24] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale13x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[23:29] <nhaines> Gareth: ah, I see you were way ahead of me.  Thanks so much.  :)
[23:29] <nhaines> Although frankly I'm not sure why that still ever surprises me!