[00:01] <Guest37873> holstein: that give me an error
[00:03] <dmonjo> i have a question about repositiories, when you have many repos in sources.list, and you try to install a package that resides in many repositories and each repo has a different version, which repo takes prioriy? the first one read in sources.list?
[00:04] <holstein> Guest37873: i would just search around... http://askubuntu.com/questions/23238/how-can-i-find-what-video-driver-is-in-use-on-my-system is one link i find
[00:04] <holstein> Guest37873: lspci -vv tells me what modules i am using
[00:05] <holstein> dmonjo: the newer one.. unless you pin something AFAIK
[00:05] <dmonjo> cool
[00:06] <ClientAlive> I'm confused about something. I know it's pretty low level but can someone please help me understand? So here's the thing:  If you mount a partition, what you mount it to is a directory - right? But a directory resides on a partition (a formatted partition) - right? So this seems like circular reasoning. You mount the partition to a directory but the directory is on a partition?? Well what the hell??
[00:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> ClientAlive: heh, the / is the only one that uses that sort of reasoning, in a sense.
[00:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> once you have / mounted, everything else mounts on top of that. I can see how you think, it is kinda odd aint it
[00:07] <raj> is there a package in apt that will allow me to split an mpeg video?
[00:07] <holstein> ClientAlive: mounted drives show where you mount them.. they can seem local. if you mount a network share for example, the remote location can seem as local as you want/need
[00:07] <ClientAlive> ntzrmtthihu777: ok, Well I'm dealing with something in a project where I need to understand this thing clearly.
[00:08] <edu> ClientAlive: it's like a pointer the directory
[00:08] <Guest37873> holstein: driver: radeon but it dont tell me the version
[00:08] <dmonjo> raj: no
[00:08] <ClientAlive> ok
[00:08] <holstein> Guest37873: you can find the version you installed in a package manager
[00:09] <holstein> Guest37873: unless you installed it manually
[00:10] <ClientAlive> sorry, phone call
[00:10] <Guest37873> holstein: thanks. i find it
[00:19] <calwig> too noisy here today, quiet down now now
[00:19] <redpanda> quite now hush now its time to rest ur sleepy head----
[00:20] <redpanda> quite now. hush now. its time to rest ur sleepy head.....*
[00:21] <Ojoloco> Hi there! I'm trying to install dhcp3-server, but it depends on = 4.2.4-1ubuntu4 and I have 4.2.4-1ubuntu10. If try to do a downgrade, a lot of things got broken, for example the network manager. How could I accomplish that?
[00:23] <astropirate> Anyone try the Acer Aspire 7 with ubuntu?
[00:23] <astropirate> i'm thinking of getting one
[00:23] <astropirate> for work. want to know it will "just work"
[00:25] <calwig> well the acer TZ laptops with ubuntu are great
[00:25] <calwig> i have an ibm, acer, toshiba and dell. and i tell ya, acer was crap, now for me its great
[00:26] <astropirate> this model just looks delicious
[00:26] <astropirate> also
[00:26] <astropirate> will the touch screen work with ubuntu?
[00:28] <panorain> hi
[00:28] <astropirate> arrrgggg
[00:28] <panorain> yo
[00:29] <panorain> you there anyone?
[00:31] <calwig> asterismo, everything will work with everything just takes time
[00:34] <veryhappy> can someone please give me a site with explanations of each parameter for hdparm?
[00:37] <Tex_Nick> veryhappy:  see if this helps ... http://linux.die.net/man/8/hdparm
[00:38] <veryhappy> Tex_Nick: well that might help a little but that's quite the manpage content of hdparm, i need further information for example like "what does that bus state do"?
[00:44] <histo> D_D_zZzZ: did you get your issues resolved?
[00:44] <D_D_zZzZ> histo yes i did... thx a lot again for your support
[00:45] <Bollsaq> my usb flash drive seems to have been damaged when startup dis creator crashed, and I can't do anything with it in gparted. Any suggestions?
[00:45] <D_D_zZzZ> without you i never get the error solved
[00:45] <histo> D_D_zZzZ: np glad I could help
[00:46] <histo> Bollsaq: do you see a bunch of io errors in dmesg?
[00:46] <D_D_zZzZ> good night.. and cu tomorrow histo
[00:46] <alainus> i'm trying to mount my android tablet but no avail. i followed the directions on http://www.acertabletforum.com/forum/acer-iconia-tab-a500-general-discussions/129-connecting-via-usb-linux-ubuntu.html. the tablet is on and with "USB Sharing" mode on, and lsusb shows it... any suggestions?
[00:46] <D_D_zZzZ> with new problems ;)
[00:46] <Bollsaq> histo: yes
[00:47] <histo> alainus: Did they possibly remove USB mass storage mode from the device?
[00:47] <histo> Bollsaq: pull the thumb drive reinsert it.  fdisk and format it.
[00:47] <Bollsaq> histo: All I know is I tried to make a startup disk with it and now I can't use it
[00:48] <histo> Bollsaq: yeah recreate it's partitioning and filesystem
[00:48] <alainus> histo, nope. it's in usb mode on right now
[00:48] <histo> Bollsaq: if you continue to get IO errors it's possible the drive is dying
[00:48] <histo> alainus: yeah but some android devices they disable USB mass storage mode in favor of MTP.  Like my galaxy S3 no longer has UMS
[00:48] <Bollsaq> histo: so type fdisk in terminal is that all?
[00:48] <histo> alainus: does lsblk show the tablet
[00:49] <histo> Bollsaq: I would recomend gparted
[00:49] <histo> Bollsaq: unless you are familiar with fdisk or cfdisk
[00:49] <Bollsaq> histo: gparted can't do anyhing with it
[00:49] <histo> Bollsaq: sudo gparted
[00:49] <histo> Bollsaq: actaully gksu gparted
[00:50] <Bollsaq> histo: almost all the options are grayed out
[00:50] <OerHeks> unmount de usb drive
[00:50] <Bollsaq> is this what I get for using the built in software instead of unetbootin??
[00:51] <OerHeks> not remove, but unmount. any disk needs to be unmounted to change/format partitions
[00:51] <Bollsaq> histo: in gparted it says unallocated
[00:51] <Bollsaq> histo: and when I right click everything except new and information is grayed out
[00:52] <escott> !gksudo | Bollsaq
[00:52] <escott> Bollsaq, don't use fdisk
[00:53] <alainus> histo, went through the option but nothing seems to show that usb mass storage is off
[00:53] <one> How do I turn off the compruter?
[00:53] <alainus> mtp-detect shows no devices
[00:53] <Bollsaq> histo: still the same
[00:54] <one> I have a hammer somwhere.
[00:54] <Bollsaq> looks like startup disk creator killed my hardware
[00:54] <OerHeks> Bollsaq, when you press new, does a partitionmenu appear ?
[00:54] <one> Where should I apply to turn off the compruter
[00:54] <histo> Bollsaq: yes create a new partition on the device so it will become allocated
[00:55] <Bollsaq> histo: No partition table found on device /dev/sdb
[00:55] <histo> Bollsaq: then you format it and use the device as normal
[00:55] <OerHeks> one, right top corner menu
[00:55] <histo> Bollsaq: yes I understand it's currently empty press "New"
[00:55] <one> oh ok
[00:55] <histo> Bollsaq: you need a partition table on the device to format and use it.
[00:56] <histo> alainus: Does lsblk show the device?
[00:56] <alainus> histo, no just my regular devices
[00:57] <Bollsaq> histo: input/output error read
[00:57] <Bollsaq> histo: libparted bug or something?
[00:58] <Bollsaq> histo: libparted warning says Error fsyncing/closing /dev/sdb: Input/output error
[00:58] <escott> Bollsaq, thats just bad hardware. if its a usb thumb drive throw it away
[00:58] <Bollsaq> escott: I bought it not long ago.
[00:58] <histo> alainus: can you sudo dmesg -c then unplug and replug in the tablet then pastebin the output of dmesg
[00:58] <escott> Bollsaq, then return it to the store
[00:59] <Bollsaq> escott: I never had this issue with unetbootin. I'll never use startup disc creator again.
[00:59] <histo> Bollsaq: sounds liek the device is dying
[00:59] <escott> Bollsaq, usb-creator-gtk almost certainly crashed because the hardware is bad
[00:59] <Bollsaq> histo: its a kingston
[00:59] <histo> Bollsaq: it's not something that startup creator can do. it's physically not responding. Try a different port
[00:59] <Bollsaq> oh ok
[00:59] <Bollsaq> so I won't buy a kingston usb again
[00:59] <escott> Bollsaq, probably doesn't matter who you buy
[00:59] <Bollsaq> 16 GB for $8
[00:59] <histo> Bollsaq: I usually just buy the cheapest available you just happened to get something busted
[00:59] <Bollsaq> it didn't last very long at all
[01:00] <histo> It happens
[01:00] <escott> Bollsaq, its all the same cheap chips
[01:00] <Bollsaq> oh ok
[01:00] <lavolanta> hi everyone
[01:00] <histo> Bollsaq: What have you been using it for?
[01:00] <alainus> histo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632898
[01:00] <marcluc> can i ask a question regarding installing ubuntu?
[01:00] <Bollsaq> histo: everything. storage and ISO mounting
[01:00] <lavolanta> anybody has knowledge of ""Hostapd" or how to make your linux box an access point that can help me please, thanks!
[01:00] <histo> Bollsaq: if you haven't had it very long that sucks. Sounds bad to me from what you are saying
[01:01] <histo> alainus: it doesn't appear that it's in Usb Mass Storage mode.
[01:01] <Bollsaq> histo: yeah I bought it about 3 or 4 months ago
[01:01] <histo> Bollsaq: :(
[01:01] <Bollsaq> histo: got it in December
[01:01] <Tex_Nick> !ask | marcluc
[01:02] <escott> Bollsaq, i fail to see what difference that makes
[01:02] <histo> Bollsaq: Try a different brand... Like I say i just pick up the cheapest available and haven't had issues. Now if it's something for backup etc.. I use verbatim
[01:02] <alainus> histo, the tablet shows an orange android robot, it says USB Mass Storage as the title, and says "USB storage in use". The button "Turn off USB storage" is available below
[01:02] <histo> alainus: Are you in some sort of firmware recovery mode?
[01:02] <alainus> histo, perhaps if I turn off USB debugging...
[01:02] <alainus> histo, nope
[01:02] <escott> Bollsaq, do grocery stores never sell broken eggs? do brand new music cds never get scratched?
[01:03] <capoderra> does anybody know if nouveau gets removed/nulled when I install the nvidia driver?
[01:03] <histo> alainus: let me look somethings up. It should just work if the device supports Usb Mass Storage
[01:03] <Bollsaq> escott: so usb flash drives don't last forever huh
[01:03] <histo> alainus: MTP would just show the DCIM folder and that's it
[01:03] <escott> Bollsaq, if you had an option to buy a USB stick that was four times as expensive and passed a much more rigorous QC mechanism would you buy it? probably not
[01:03] <Bollsaq> I wonder if using a usb flash drive for iso mounting makes it die faster
[01:03] <escott> Bollsaq, its a cheap product, mass produced in a cheap fashion, and you should treat it as such
[01:03] <alainus> histo, turned off USB debugging and it showed up in the desktop like a normal device =)
[01:03] <alainus> histo, thanks for the help
[01:03] <marcluc> i recently puchased a laptop running windows 8; for a number of reasons i am not happy with windows 8 and i am trying to install unbuntu but i am having problems with the installation because i believe i am lacking key drivers? do you know where i can get these drivers?
[01:04] <histo> alainus: ahh fooey lol
[01:04] <escott> marcluc, its easiest if you disable secure boot in the firmware
[01:04] <Andrew_R> Bollsaq: http://www.kingston.com/us/company/warranty - Maybe they will replace it?
[01:04] <redpanda> hiiii guys how can i upgrade my ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10
[01:04] <histo> marcluc: Which version of ubuntu are you trying to install and which issues are you having?
[01:05] <Bollsaq> Andrew_R: I didn't keep the receipt
[01:05] <histo> !upgrade | redpanda
[01:05] <histo> Bollsaq: It's cheap and not worth the time returning just buy a new one for a few dollars
[01:05] <marcluc> i have amd 64 bit, so i wanted to install the two versions
[01:05] <histo> Bollsaq: if you call kingston and argue they may replace it but My time is more valuable than arguing over a 5$ thumb drive
[01:06] <histo> marcluc: if your device came wiht windows8 you have EFI and you need to use 64bit ubuntu for efi to work
[01:06] <capoderra> does anyone know what happens to nouveau when nvidia drivers are installed?
[01:06] <histo> marcluc: What issues are you seeing that you believe are driver related.
[01:06] <histo> capoderra: it dies
[01:06] <dr_willis> capoderra: they get blacklisted
[01:06] <Bollsaq> histo: Actuall I'll probably have to talk to someone in Pakistan that don't speak English well and get put on hold, transferred, hung up on, put on hold again, transferred back to the main menu, etc.
[01:07] <histo> capoderra: probably gets blacklisted and or removed. You can check the blacklist files and if the module is still present with modprobe -l nouveau
[01:07] <histo> Bollsaq: right!!! not worth the time
[01:07] <Bollsaq> histo: and they'll probably tell me to ship it to them and that would cost about the same or more than the product itself haha.
[01:08] <marcluc> simply that it won't install; windows 8 is problematic in pointing out the problem because they don't want me running another system
[01:08] <escott> Bollsaq, not to mention the support fees you owe for using the channel here ;)
[01:08] <capoderra> ok thanks!
[01:08] <escott> marcluc, its easiest if you disable secure boot in the firmware
[01:09] <Bollsaq> escott: I didn't read the fine print. D'oh
[01:09] <Andrew_R> Bollsaq: not necessarily, go to https://shop.kingston.com/web_rma/default.asp and fill out the form, yeah it was only $8 but if they make it easy to get a replacement, why not?
[01:09] <histo> marcluc: What happens when you try to install that it won't complete? Black screen... What?
[01:09] <histo> like pulling teeth
[01:09] <marcluc> no
[01:09] <Andrew_R> Bollsaq: they probably replace those cheap drives all the time
[01:09] <marcluc> where is firmware located?
[01:09] <histo> marcluc: Do you actually get booted the GUI ffs if you can tell us what you are experiencing perhaps we can help.
[01:09] <marcluc> ok
[01:09] <histo> Rather than play 20 questions
[01:10] <escott> !who | marcluc its that thing that you see when you first turn the computer on press SOMETHING for setup
[01:10] <marcluc> i will make another attempt and be more specific
[01:10] <histo> marcluc: in one line hopefully
[01:10] <marcluc> ok thank you
[01:13] <redpanda> ubottu: i dont have that option. also it say i cant update package information since 137 days before O.o
[01:14] <redpanda> O.o
[01:14] <marcluc> but windows 8 blocks the bios
[01:14] <histo> redpanda: You don't have what option?
[01:14] <redpanda> guys?
[01:14] <histo> marcluc: no it doesn't block the bios. Your system has EFI
[01:14] <histo> marcluc: doens't have BIOS
[01:14] <dr_willis> redpanda: ?
[01:14] <redpanda> the upgrade option in update manager
[01:14] <histo> redpanda: I'm the one who told the bot to tell you that.
[01:14] <redpanda> ok
[01:14] <histo> redpanda: you have to follow the directions on the page to see the 12.10 update
[01:15] <histo> redpanda: especially since you are running LTS
[01:15] <redpanda> histo:  i dont have that option. also it say it cant update package information since 137 days before O.o. but i just update it
[01:16] <histo> redpanda: you have to run update-manager -d
[01:16] <histo> redpanda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades  Here are instructions step by step
[01:17] <redpanda> update manager --dist
[01:17] <jon_nw> random question: using financial terms, if i want to transfer some money between accounts, what is the word used to refer to the receiving account and the sending account?
[01:17] <Andrew_R> redpanda: if it says you haven't updated in 137 days after you just updated, usually that's because you have one or more repositories that failed to update
[01:18] <redpanda> true i have error. i see now. this seem official repos
[01:18] <redpanda> i thought it was a repo for an app i try to install another day. but... seem is a officla repo
[01:19] <histo> redpanda: which repos are you using? Which country code?
[01:19] <Andrew_R> redpanda: Are your official repos set up to a mirror that is no longer available? try setting a different mirror
[01:20] <redpanda> i am in peru but i mark for denver during install
[01:20] <redpanda> Andrew_R: gonna try that :)
[01:20] <histo> redpanda: pastebin your /etc/sources.list
[01:20] <tacorwin> Hello! How could i get a "Ubuntu cloak"?
[01:21] <tacorwin> (also, i do help in the ubuntu manual, if that information was needed.)
[01:22] <SnuBDag> есть русские кто нить
[01:24] <redpanda> here the problematic repos: http://pastebin.com/78uVpQBb
[01:25] <Andrew_R> redpanda: those aren't official repos
[01:25] <redpanda> mmmmmm
[01:26] <redpanda> but i disable them . make an update and still saying it cant update packages
[01:26] <Andrew_R> redpanda: "plasma-widget-menubar" is all that contains, but it only has files for lucid and maverick
[01:26] <redpanda> mmm
[01:26] <redpanda> let me try agin disable them
[01:27] <OerHeks> use ppa-purge to roll back
[01:28] <Andrew_R> the second one is interesting: http://ppa.launchpad.net/artfwo/ppa/ubuntu/dists/  missing directory for precise
[01:28] <OerHeks> it does for raring :-D
[01:31] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. I run java -version on ubuntu 12.04 precise and it gives me a version and also locate jvm gives me jvm locations both 1.6 and 1.7
[01:31] <Vivekananda> but javac gives me an error . What am I missing
[01:31] <jrib> Vivekananda: you should tell the channel the error
[01:31] <histo> redpanda: those are ppa's
[01:31] <histo> redpanda: not officially supported
[01:32] <redpanda> histo: its true
[01:32] <redpanda> thanks
[01:32] <redpanda> last time i disable them i miss one
[01:32] <mradot_> if you use a wubi installer to install ubuntu where do the files go
[01:32] <redpanda> now it update
[01:33] <mradot_> hello
[01:33] <juggalonaut> does anyone know if slitaz is a good os
[01:33] <Vivekananda> javac says the the program javac can be found in the following packages ---
[01:33] <mradot_> if you use a wubi installer to install ubuntu where do the files go
[01:33] <escott> mradot_, somewhere in windows... WUBI isn't too popular around here
[01:33] <BONG_IT> how can i see the active interfaces lan
[01:33] <mradot_> i used wubi like installer to install linux mint
[01:33] <redpanda> thanks guys :3 now upgrading to 12.10
[01:33] <mradot_> and now linux mint doesn't work
[01:34] <juggalonaut> wubi will acually run worse than a side by side install of ubuntu and windows
[01:34] <mradot_> and i need the files that were on linux mint
[01:34] <juggalonaut> it gets really slow really fast
[01:34] <mradot_> i looked in the windows partition and couldn't find them
[01:35] <redpanda> wubi create a virtual disk. in just one BIG file
[01:35] <mradot_> can i get my lost files back
[01:35] <redpanda> i am curious. there is a way to open that virtual disk???
[01:35] <BONG_IT> how can i see the active interfaces lan
[01:35] <juggalonaut> exactly thats why it is really slow it runs over windows
[01:35] <mradot_> so can i not access the files
[01:36] <redpanda> mmmm
[01:36] <redpanda> lets seachr
[01:36] <redpanda> search*
[01:36] <juggalonaut> no the files are deeply encrypted in your windows folders and i have never had sucess with that
[01:37] <Vivekananda> jrib: I will post the entire output in a pastebin and be back
[01:37] <mradot_> :'(
[01:37] <juggalonaut> this is why i chose to install on 2 seperate partitions
[01:37] <Tex_Nick> 12.10 with gnome classic DE ... occasionally firefox looses it's title bar & becomes non-responsive ... it always happens when i'm using another application so i'm not sure what's triggering it ... i have to kill the firefox process & restart firefox ... any clues as to what may be causing it ?
[01:37] <escott> mradot_, what does WUBI have to do with mint?
[01:37] <mradot_> i used a wubi like installer
[01:37] <juggalonaut> no idea tex sorry
[01:38] <escott> Tex_Nick, what kind of hard drive/filesystem are you using?
[01:38] <mradot_> it does the same thing as wubi
[01:38] <escott> mradot_, wubi probably stomped on the mint boot entries
[01:38] <mradot_> i made a text editor. Will i not be able to get my text editor back
[01:38] <juggalonaut> i agree with escott it more than likely did
[01:38] <Tex_Nick> escott : WD 1TB HD with EXT4
[01:38] <redpanda> u may be can boot it with grub disk
[01:39] <escott> mradot_, wubi really isnt intended for the way you are using it. it is supposed to be a gentle introduction that can be easily uninstalled. you should do a real install
[01:39] <mradot_> i am running linux mint 14 right now on a real install
[01:39] <juggalonaut> escott is right the wubi is ment for people just startin in linux
[01:39] <mradot_> i can't get into 13 though
[01:39] <redpanda> mmm
[01:40] <redpanda> try update the grub
[01:40] <mradot_> i used wubi when i was just getting started
[01:40] <mradot_> but i had files on that os
[01:40] <Ben64> you might want to ask the mint people, this channel is for ubuntu only
[01:40] <Ben64> !mint
[01:41] <redpanda> mradot_: come to mint channel
[01:41] <Tex_Nick> escott:  i'm curoiuos as to why you might suspect a HD/filesystem issue ?
[01:42] <juggalonaut> does anyone have any knowlege of slitaz OS
[01:42] <somsip> !slitaz | juggalonaut
[01:43] <escott> Tex_Nick, ff calls fsync all the freaking time
[01:43] <juggalonaut> ya i want to install it alongside ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[01:43] <Ben64> juggalonaut: ask them?
[01:43] <somsip> juggalonaut: not supported here. there is a bot command that shows where it is discussed but I can't remember it right now
[01:44] <juggalonaut> ok
[01:44] <IdleOne> !alis
[01:44] <BONG_IT> how can i see the active interfaces lan
[01:44] <Ben64> ifconfig
[01:45] <Tex_Nick> escott : ok ... i'll have a look at that ... hey thanks for the input ;-)
[01:45] <escott> Tex_Nick, i doubt its that. maybe if your other apps are putting a lot of load on the disk, but ext4 is sufficiently robust (if it were btrfs almost certainly fsync)
[01:45] <escott> !info eatmydata | Tex_Nick
[01:45] <redpanda> mradot_: are you there?
[01:46] <histo> mradot_: You'd have to ask in #mint
[01:46] <BONG_IT> how to change eth1 to eth0
[01:47] <histo> mradot_: basically from my understading they are stored in either a image file on the C drive
[01:47] <histo> BONG_IT: why?
[01:47] <BONG_IT> theirs no networlk
[01:47] <BONG_IT> unreachable
[01:48] <escott> BONG_IT, /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent something
[01:48] <Tex_Nick> escott : "eatmydata" ...  lol ... i just gotta look into this ... hey thanks for the pointer :-)
[01:48] <Vivekananda> Hey everyone
[01:48] <histo> BONG_IT: You'd have to edit udev rules but should matter what the interface is called for you to access network resources on it.
[01:48] <Vivekananda> what should I do https://gist.github.com/anonymous/505e668b44dae892785e
[01:49] <histo> Vivekananda: install one of the recommended packages if you want to run the javac command
[01:50] <BONG_IT> how to edit this
[01:50] <Vivekananda> histo: that I got :). But I was wondering, dont I already have a jdk package installed ?
[01:51] <histo> Vivekananda: yes but aparently not one that has javac  do a locate javac  and you will see it's not there
[01:51] <histo> Vivekananda: also paste.ubuntu.com is a lot easier than git
[01:52] <Vivekananda> histo: I will keep that in mind. I used pastebin but a lot of people recommended against it so I remembered github
[01:52] <histo> BONG_IT: http://blog.carlosgomez.net/2009/10/change-interface-name-eth1-to-eth0-on.html
[01:53] <BONG_IT> thanks
[01:53] <Vivekananda> now I will have to remember another :(. But coming back to the question. How is it that installed an open jdk and dont have javac in it. Pardon my ignorance but is it not true that a jdk budles jvm and javac ?
[01:54] <escott> Vivekananda, the jdk should have the compiler. did you install the jre by mistake
[01:54] <ClientAlive> where can I go to learn how the initrd is loaded and used? Not the general, basic boot process but information about the initrd specifically.
[01:54] <Vivekananda> escott: I pasted the output above somewhere. Did you already see it ?
[01:54] <Vivekananda> did I miss something?
[01:55] <Vivekananda> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/505e668b44dae892785e
[01:55] <escott> ClientAlive, you can gunzip it and look around inside
[01:55] <Kris_away> I'm tryign to find user statics for ubuntu and the official ubuntu distros, anyone know of a source that has download numbers for k/x/ubuntu?
[01:56] <moes> I currently have Ubuntu-10.04 install on sda1 ...I want to install 12.04 on sda3 and have it all configured before I delete 10.04...If possible where do I install grub2 from 12.04
[01:56] <Vivekananda> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632988/
[01:56] <escott> Kris_away, there are no really good numbers for that
[01:56] <ClientAlive> escott: I might do that - but, I'm dealing with a boot issue and need to learn how the kernel, boot loader and initrd interact to produce a healthy boot. My situation involves / in a logical volume on raid and I need to plan my strategy so I can get at / in the boot process.
[01:56] <Kris_away> Doesn't canonical track repo and iso traffic?
[01:57] <Kris_away> I'm developing a game and without some rough numbers I don't know what to support.
[01:57] <ForSpareParts> I have an Ubuntu machine that I'm using as a media center (with XBMC). Is there a way to VNC into it to do admin stuff WITHOUT interrupting XBMC, which I usually leave running in full-screen mode?
[01:57] <escott> Kris_away, for their own servers probably, but not for mirrors, and what about torrents, and how many downloads per install is it 1 download for 4 installs or 4 downloads to 1 instlal
[01:58] <histo> ForSpareParts: you could use tightvnc and it will create a seperate display for vnc
[01:58] <Kris_away> escott: Every time you apt-get update you are basically caling home from a unique IP though, you'd think they'd track based on that...
[01:58] <histo> ForSpareParts: or just use ssh and forward X apps over ssh
[01:58] <ForSpareParts> histo: How do I set that up on Ubuntu's end? Right now VNC connects me to the current display.
[01:59] <ForSpareParts> histo: I'd be okay with the SSH solution, too. Do you have a tutorial or guide for either one?
[01:59] <escott> Kris_away, i don't apt-get to canonical
[01:59] <histo> ForSpareParts: What is your client that you are connecting to the ubuntu box with?
[02:00] <ForSpareParts> histo: At the moment, Chicken (OSX). I use TightVNC on my Windows boxes.
[02:00] <escott> Kris_away, and im certain emu doesn't call home to canonical to let them know i updated from them
[02:00] <JamesGatz> i'd like to upgrade my laptop hard drive. I have a new, larger drive attached to my laptop via USB. what's the most direct way to do this?
[02:01] <Vivekananda> anyone care to comment on my jdk situation ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632988/
[02:01] <Kris_away> JamesGatz: When I move from a small drive to larger I just use clonezilla, although you can clone a disk right in terminal.
[02:01] <histo> ForSpareParts: well to use ssh with X forwarding you would need to install Xquartz on OSX and an X server on with the windows clients. Basically the clients need their own X server to diplay the remote apps over ssh.  Tightvnc seems liek a better solution if you don't feel comfortable with that as then you could jsut vnc regardless of what's on the client
[02:01] <histo> ForSpareParts: let me find you a tute
[02:01] <JamesGatz> Kris_away: thanks, i'm downloading it now!  just wondering if there was another preferred option.
[02:02] <histo> ForSpareParts: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#tightvncserver
[02:02] <ForSpareParts> histo: Actually, the SSH solution might be *better* if it would go any faster than VNC. VNC's being very sluggish for me right now, and I can't imagine it'll be any better when the machine's running a video or something.
[02:02] <JamesGatz> Kris_away: can i clone directly to the bare drive or do i need to create a filesystem on it?
[02:02] <escott> ForSpareParts, X is pretty bad for most modern networks
[02:03] <Kris_away> JamesGatz: You can copy a file system, or just a raw image with bootloader and all, all remaining space will be blank which you can format with gparted or something
[02:03] <ForSpareParts> escott: Hm. Is there a way to improve VNC latency? Or is this a Vino problem?
[02:03] <escott> JamesGatz, clones are always bare, and can only be done from a USB thumb drive. ie you need to make the usb installer and boot that before doing the dd copy
[02:03] <ForSpareParts> (I'm just using the default vino server at the moment)
[02:03] <escott> JamesGatz, i don't see the point. i would just reinstall.
[02:03] <histo> ForSpareParts: tightvnc supports compression and should be a little faster. But just fowarding the specific apps you need through ssh would ultimately be faster. Any reason you need gui apps and can't just use ssh to administer?
[02:04] <escott> !clone | JamesGatz you can use this to copy your package list
[02:04] <ForSpareParts> histo: mostly that my roommates need to be able to use it, too, and none of them are terminal gurus
[02:04] <escott> ForSpareParts, assuming you aren't using dialup anywhere your latency is your latency
[02:04] <aartist> did anyone installed ubuntu speech recognition?
[02:05] <JamesGatz> so if i clone to the bare drive, i can expand the resulting partition to use the unused space?
[02:05] <JamesGatz> \
[02:05] <escott> ForSpareParts, not a whole lot you can do about latency. if your problem were bandwidth then VNC might be a bad fit
[02:05] <aartist> I have it not working.., It says speech unable to be transcribed.
[02:05] <escott> JamesGatz, depending on layout it may be harder, but yes
[02:06] <moes> I currently have Ubuntu-10.04 install on sda1 ...I want to install 12.04 on sda3 and have it all configured before I delete 10.04...If possible where do I install grub2 from 12.04
[02:06] <ForSpareParts> escott: It seems weird that that'd be the problem, though. I mean, I'm going over wireless, but still. Modern network, ten feet from the router.
[02:06] <Kris_away> If in doubt - Grub all your drives! lol
[02:06] <ForSpareParts> I suppose I can just try TightVNC and X forwarding and see which works better.
[02:06] <ForSpareParts> In any event: histo, escott, thanks for your help!
[02:07] <len> Anyone running any buntu as a VB guest and have a functioning mouse scroll wheel?  It not working for me in either 12.04 or 12.10 guests.  Other linux guests have functioning scroll wheels.
[02:08] <wilee-nilee> len, Alaways has here.
[02:08] <JamesGatz> len: once i get guest additions installed, yes
[02:09] <len> Hmm.  I tried both the newest guest additions from Oracle and lasted packaged versions and no dice.
[02:09] <len> works on other non-buntu guests though
[02:10] <len> This is with Kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10
[02:10] <len> no scroll in either
[02:10] <ClientAlive> if I use a custom kernel, do I need to set anything up in the package manager so it won't update the kernel?
[02:10] <len> It will work if I turn off mouse integration
[02:10] <len> but that is worse than no scroll
[02:11] <JamesGatz> len: when you say "tried", are you sure the additions installed?
[02:11] <len> JamesGatz, Do you have mouse integration enabled?
[02:11] <len> Oh, yeah, cause all the other functions of Guest additons work fine
[02:12] <JamesGatz> len, - i'm not sure
[02:12] <JamesGatz> ok
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> len, I have found in general that ubuntu in a virtual even with sufficient memory is clunky, I never use mouse integration, there "I" believe is the problem
[02:13] <len> Except mouse integration works fine in non-buntu linux guests
[02:13] <madam> Did an update of 12.10 security patches and fixes... refuses to reboot. Hangs at the "starting timidity++ Alsa midi emulation" part.----Recovery menu: (file system state: read only) - so how do I get around the hang?----- Can I edit out the problem code and just bypass it?
[02:13] <madam> ------If so how?----Any ideas on the subject?
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> len, That is a erroneous correlation. ;)
[02:14] <len> How is that?  Two versions of buntu LTS and current--neither work.
[02:14] <len> Other linuxes work
[02:14] <len> Obviously their is something different in the buntus
[02:14] <len> in reguards to guest-additions
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> len, Inspite of most linux releases be quite similar, there are differences.  I have had other Linux OS's run great in a virtual as well, without and integration.
[02:15] <escott> madam, usually you get read only because the disks are failing in some way
[02:16] <len> It is not a general linux guest problem, obviously
[02:16] <escott> madam, boot your install media and go to "try ubuntu" then open "gnome-disks" and check the smart status
[02:16] <escott> len, the hot corners are a real mess for virtualbox
[02:17] <madam> solid state
[02:17] <madam> encrytpted
[02:17] <len> I am running KDE.  Performance is not too bad either--actually pretty good.  Only issue is with mouse scroll.
[02:18] <vjacob> hello all. I'm getting a kernel panic on a regular basis (I am almost at the point that I can reproduce it with a few steps). What should I include in the bug report?
[02:18] <len> But I don't think scroll issue has anything to do with the Desktop environment.
[02:18] <escott> vjacob, is your kernel tainted?
[02:19] <ClientAlive> I'm planning to build a custom kernel for my ubuntu but I need to know if I should do something with the package manager so it stops updating the kernel and/or the initrd
[02:19] <vjacob> tainted?
[02:19] <escott> vjacob, are you running proprietary modules (nvidia/amd/broadcom?)
[02:19] <Kris_away> Interesting... there's 234'000 steam-linux users...
[02:19] <len> I can see how the hot corners could present other issues in a VB though
[02:19] <vjacob> escott, not that I know of
[02:20] <vjacob> possibly broadcom
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> len, Have you considered dual booting?
[02:20] <Vivekananda> HOw do I find out where a symlink is pointing to ?
[02:20] <jonnnyxero> evening all
[02:20] <vjacob> Vivekananda, ls -l in the dir it is in
[02:21] <len> That wouldn't work for what I'm using it for.  I support different people on different OS's and like to have VB's of everything I am supporting.
[02:21] <escott> vjacob, what is the output of "cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
[02:22] <len> I already have it on bare metal on my notebook, and have no issues there.
[02:22] <Vivekananda> vjacob: It gives me a link -> file but does not gimme the path to the file .
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> len, With a extended partition you can have many OS's, you're are using the disc space already.
[02:22] <Vivekananda> I want to know where that "file" is located
[02:23] <wilee-nilee> len, I have 5 OS's on my 256 gig ssd.
[02:23] <len> I know all about that. Used to do that all the time, but you can't be working on more than one os at the same time.
[02:23] <dr_willis> Vivekananda:  then it wuld be in the current directyory i belive.
[02:23] <krux> Vivekananda, ls -all /path/to/symlink should show you where it is pointing
[02:23] <vjacob> what dr?willis wrote
[02:23] <cfhowlett> jonnnyxero, greetings
[02:23] <Vivekananda> dr_willis: Hello :) glad to see you
[02:23] <dr_willis> a soft link can be 'relative' or 'absolute'
[02:23] <len> My machine is fast enough where the vbs are working well.
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> len, true, sounds like you have what you need, we just never know here unless we ask. ;)
[02:24] <len> just this one tiny issue with the scroll wheel
[02:24] <dr_willis> foo -> /home/user/foo    or    -> '../foo'  i recall
[02:24] <vjacob> escott, well I'd have to reboot the machine to do that. hold on...
[02:24] <vjacob> will take a photo first
[02:24] <Vivekananda> so then my question is I wanna know what does this mean. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632988/.
[02:25] <len> I search the Internet and found other people with same problem, but no solutions so far excpet to turn off mouse integration
[02:25] <Vivekananda> so initially I had ubuntu 10.04 and then I did a fresh install of 12.04 on / partition and just copied the /home over
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> Vivekananda, looks like two instances of java.
[02:25] <len> which is more of a pain than having no scroll
[02:25] <len> just don't understand what the issue is that make it only not work in the buntu guests
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> len, Everytime I have installed ubuntu virtually I have wondered why it was not designed to run better, although I can only look at it from my own point of view, I have not asked others if they exsperience the same.
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> *experience
[02:28] <Kris_away> if you want to run linux well you'd be better with KVM or Xen
[02:28] <len> Hmm.  Here is something interesting
[02:28] <Vivekananda> wilee-nilee: well the thing is the first four of the output are sym links . the last three are actual folders. I am guessing the first four exist coz I copied the home over with env variable from there. also they point nowhere but the same directory as dr_willis said
[02:28] <len> scroll wheel triggers no xev events in guest buntus!!!
[02:28] <jonnnyxero> Soo anyone wanna help me with some necromancy involving a horse?
[02:29] <len> no wonder it doesn't work in X
[02:29] <len> Question is why
[02:29] <Kris_away> Is Ubunt 13.04 ready for regular use? I heard it's been frozen now so things should not break
[02:30] <cfhowlett> Kris_away, "ready for regular use" would imply that's it's actually been released for regular use.  It hasn't.
[02:30] <Vivekananda> dr_willis: So my problem was that I just casually tried running javac and it said not found. and here is the output https://gist.github.com/anonymous/505e668b44dae892785e. I am trying to ascertain 1. how can I have jdk and no javac. 2. why update alternatives not giving ma choice when I clearly have a folder saying java-7-.. also.
[02:30] <jonnnyxero> hopefully i wont have serious graphics lag on that one
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> Kris_away, The general advice is not to use it as a main OS until release.
[02:31] <Kris_away> Well I use Debian "Testing" as a main OS and it's more stable than LTS releases lol
[02:31] <jonnnyxero> ^^
[02:31] <vjacob> escott, took a photo. rebooting... one min
[02:32] <Kris_away> All that chat about ubuntu rolling.... why not have LTSsnapshots+Rolling like some other distros.
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> Kris_away, I like my coffee cream and with sugar rather then black, about as relevant. ;)
[02:33] <cfhowlett> Kris_away, perhaps best to move this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic so this channel can continue the main topic; support ...
[02:33] <vjacob> escott: 5120
[02:34] <escott> 512 not 5120
[02:34] <escott> vjacob, so you aren't tainted
[02:35] <Kris_away> Is there a pps that has the latest and best open source drivers for recent nvidia/ati cards? 600/6000/7000 stuff
[02:36] <CalicoJack> I am interested in Kris_away's question as well, every time i use the built in driver thing it doesn't work (i'm using 12.04 LTS)
[02:36] <dr_willis> Kris_away:  check the xswat ppa
[02:37] <vjacob> escott, hmm, the first character before 120 is odd. when I copy paste the text into gedit it shows as "5120"
[02:37] <escott> vjacob, so it was "120"
[02:37] <Kris_away> dr_willis: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat I'm guessing
[02:37] <escott> vjacob, 120 means nobody is going to look at this
[02:37] <vjacob> escott, ok. I started seeing this kernel panic after installing a kernel for 8192cu
[02:37] <vjacob> ok
[02:38] <CalicoJack> oh snap, i'm sorry i want the closed source drivers from nvidia
[02:38] <vjacob> my question still stands
[02:38] <vjacob> What should I include in the bug report?
[02:38] <escott> vjacob, 120 means: rmmod -f, machine check exception, bad page, and tainted kernel
[02:38] <vjacob> oh
[02:38] <escott> vjacob, 120 honestly means that you are wasting peoples time submitting the bug
[02:39] <danman1453> i have a problem, that i didnt know was a problem..... my desktop bar on the top has no application menu? i have been using the little black "unity launcher?" and searching for the apps by name.
[02:39] <escott> vjacob, your hardware is failing, you have proprietary modules and you are kicking the kernel when its down to boot
[02:39] <danman1453> how do i enable this menu?
[02:39] <CalicoJack> Every time I try and update to nvidia experimental drivers using the "additional drivers" dialogue, the install fails. i'm using 12.04 LTS 64-bit
[02:39] <vjacob> escott, I don't remember any kicking...
[02:39] <CalicoJack> Anyone else having this problem?
[02:39] <escott> vjacob, (the rmmod -f)
[02:40] <dr_willis> danman1453:  you normally use the ubuntu button at the top left. thats the 'dash' to launch things. there are 3rd party indicator applets to add the old style menus
[02:40] <danman1453> oh. what name should i look for in the software center? as an example?
[02:41] <escott> vjacob, you can dig through dmesg to try and figure out the source of these different issues. you should also run memtest86 to check your ram
[02:41] <vjacob> escott> thanks I guess...
[02:41] <Kris_away> What's the easiest way to make ubuntu look like gnome2/xfce? I'd like to test stuff on the main distro but find the UI kinda, ehhhh
[02:41] <dr_willis> danman1453:  not in the software center as far as i know.  there used to be a list of indicator-applets on askubuntu.com from 3rd party sources
[02:41] <Vivekananda> I simply deleted the folder called java-7openjdk--. Now I am thinking of installing it later properly and not sure how it was messed up
[02:41] <danman1453> ok, i will start the hunt. thanks dr_willis
[02:41] <dr_willis> Kris_away:  install the xfce desktop and login to it..
[02:41] <Tex_Nick> danman1453:  i'm using the gnome classic desktop enviornment with 12.10 ... it provides the older style look & feel
[02:42] <cfhowlett> Kris_away, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[02:42] <danman1453> next question, i have a strange terminal prompt showing as an artifact overlaying my desktop. I can't turn it off, but if i move a window around, the screen refreshes and it goes away. sorta
[02:43] <vjacob> escott: thanks for offering your explaination
[02:43] <danman1453> gnome classic? i imagine i can find that using aptitude?
[02:43] <wilee-nilee> danman1453, there is a 3rd party app that you can add stuff to it with I forget the name of it though I have not used unity for a long time.
[02:44] <danman1453> how can i do a screenshot to show how my desktop looks currently for debugging purposes?
[02:44] <redpanda> guys any of u have ubuntu installed via wubi??
[02:45] <vjacob> escott, I guess I'm just a bit surprised by the situation, and that a kernel panic would not be considered. I assume it's because details about it wouldn't be detailed enough.
[02:45] <Tex_Nick> danman1453:  what i did was ... sudo apt-get install gnome-panel ... then at login on click on the ubuntu icon & select "gnome classic" after that it will remember the setting
[02:46] <danman1453> thanks Tex_Nick
[02:46] <cfhowlett> redpanda, yes.  ONCE.
[02:46] <cfhowlett> !anyone|redpanda,
[02:46] <escott> vjacob, its broken hardware with closed source software to boot
[02:46] <jonnnyxero> Ok
[02:46] <escott> vjacob, im not sure what you expect anyone to say about that
[02:46] <dr_willis> redpanda:  a lot of people use wubi. but its  often a very fragile setup and can break easially. Best to do a full normal install
[02:47] <redpanda> ok ok. u know if is podible to run wubi virtual disk in virtualbox or another viertual machine? btw i like that bot. very useful
[02:47] <escott> vjacob, there is a RedHat engineer who blocks about kernel dumps he looks through as part of his job
[02:47] <jonnnyxero> ?
[02:47] <danman1453> any thoughts on my screen artifacts? or how to take a screenshot so i can show you?
[02:47] <CalicoJack> Hello everyone I am having a small problem: Every time I try and update to nvidia experimental drivers using the "additional drivers" dialogue, the install fails. i'm using 12.04 LTS 64-bit
[02:47] <jonnnyxero> do not run wubi
[02:47] <dr_willis> redpanda:  thers guides out on converting a wubi install to a 'normal install' on a hd. but ive never seen a guide on converting one to a vb install.
[02:47] <escott> vjacob, lots of funny bit flipping and other hardware errors that cause strange spurious errors... and thats from people who are paying for RHEL
[02:47] <jonnnyxero> it is the devil
[02:48] <mardroid> Get a camera
[02:48] <Tex_Nick> danman1453:  at any time after that if you want to use unity ... just click on the ubuntu icon again @ login and select unity
[02:48] <danman1453> thanks Tex_Nick
[02:48] <escott> vjacob, you could pay someone to tell you pretty much what i have already told you, but it sounds like failing hardware is a likely cause
[02:48] <redpanda> dr_willis: at leaast a way to mount/open that disk?
[02:49] <Tex_Nick> danman1453:  np hope it works well for you ;-)
[02:49] <jonnnyxero> dont think so...
[02:49] <dr_willis> redpanda:  wubi installs to a virtal filesystem in a file. you can mount that file via the mount commands loop options
[02:50] <wilee-nilee> danman1453, use screenshot or prtsc and post it on imagebin
[02:50] <escott> vjacob, "who blogs" not "who blocks" cant type tonight
[02:50] <danman1453> ok wilee-nilee
[02:53] <redpanda> dr_willis: like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1037874
[02:54] <danman1453> ok, screenshot of my desktop artifacts:
[02:54] <danman1453> http://imagebin.org/251054
[02:54] <danman1453> most are on the right side of the image
[02:55] <redpanda> dr_willis: thanks XD
[02:56] <vjacob> escott, http://www.withdevo.net/?p=42 ...do you know if that list is more or less "up-to-date" ?
[02:56] <escott> vjacob, thats the same table i was using
[02:57] <vjacob> escott, ok. thx
[03:08] <pentester> I changed my computer name in /etc/hostname ever since terminals are really slow and pings to router are 100ms
[03:08] <pentester> could this be the result?
[03:09] <themoebius> Hey, there's a problem with gcc-4.7 that prevents me from compiling a python package. I'm trying to install 4.6 and remove 4.7, but a bunch of other packages like build-essential, libboost, etc. depend on the gcc package. How can I get around this?
[03:10] <pentester> I have a SSD. running a simple sudo apt-get update takes 5-10 seconds to prompt me for password
[03:11] <gok> so its impossible to sync music to any iOS6+ device on ubuntu
[03:11] <redpanda> dr_willis: u saw that user asking about to get back his file in wubi install??
[03:11] <cfhowlett> !ipod|gok
[03:11] <cfhowlett> gok, apple is not linux friendly.
[03:12] <redpanda> i love ub0ttu
[03:12] <gok> its just suprising because it's unix based isnt it?
[03:13] <cfhowlett> gok, after so many forks?  you and I also share DNA but that doesn't make us brothers ...
[03:13] <redpanda> mradot_: are you there???
[03:13] <gok> good point.
[03:13] <escott> themoebius, can you not parallel install the other compiler
[03:14] <gok> well has anyone had success using itunes through an XP virtual machine?
[03:14] <themoebius> escott: i'm trying to figure out if there's a way for update-alternatives to handle this?
[03:14] <gok> because I'm far too lazy to boot into the win7 partition...
[03:14] <cfhowlett> gok, that is one method but YMMV ...
[03:15] <gok> kk
[03:15] <sp3ct3r> gok: yes but its slow
[03:15] <redpanda> gok: i thought it is pisible to copy files to ur ibad without itunes
[03:15] <gok> just trying to decide if I want to deal ith the hassle to get a 4s,
[03:16] <sp3ct3r> for me anyways. I use pwntunes from cydia (iphone is jailbroken)...its expensive but i can drag and drop music using any file explorer
[03:16] <gok> pardon my one handed typing, holding my daughter who just got shots.
[03:16] <Perroviejo> hola
[03:16] <redpanda> holaaaa
[03:17] <cfhowlett> gok, REALLY glad you shared the explanation together with the problem :)
[03:17] <TysonBrooks> So.... When are the stable releases expected to be out for the ubuntu tv, tablet and phone?
[03:17] <cfhowlett> Perroviejo, greetings
[03:17] <cfhowlett> !table|TysonBrooks,
[03:17] <cfhowlett> !tablet|TysonBrooks,
[03:17] <gok> sp3ct3r, how does jailbreaking affect applecare? I want the warranty, but I dont know if I can mix that with jailbreaking
[03:17] <redpanda> perroviejo mean old dog XD
[03:17] <cfhowlett> gok, offtopic.  ask apple
[03:18] <Perroviejo> yes
[03:18] <Perroviejo> xD -.-
[03:18] <gok> I know it is off topic, but it came up.
[03:18] <kepler> anyone know of a way to easily ssh to one server and then ssh to another? kinda like if i "ssh server.net uptime", only "ssh server.net ssh anotherserver.net" -- but want to run it like "xssh anotherserver.net"
[03:18] <cfhowlett> !topic
[03:18] <Perroviejo> no escribo ingles ni se hablarlo, solo estoy mirando para aprender,
[03:19] <sp3ct3r> gok: apple wont work on the phone but jailbreaking is easily reversed by restoring phone in itunes
[03:19] <cfhowlett> !es|Perroviejo,
[03:19] <sp3ct3r> sorry for the offtopic
[03:19] <Perroviejo> ok gracias por el dato
[03:19] <cfhowlett> sp3ct3r, no worries.  just use #ubuntu-offtopic for such ...
[03:20] <cfhowlett> Perroviejo, de nada
[03:20] <redpanda> yo hablo español si necesitas ayuda
[03:21] <redpanda> there is an ubuntu-es O.o
[03:21] <Perroviejo> no mas que nada, andaba queriendo ver una forma de aprender el lenguaje tecnico como la mayoria de la informacion esta en ingles
[03:21] <Perroviejo> y luego dicen que si encuentras informacion en español ya esta distorcionada
[03:21] <redpanda> si en las salas de chat se aprende mucho
[03:23] <cfhowlett> gentle reminder: there IS a spanish speaking channel at #ubuntu-es
[03:23] <redpanda> ok
[03:23] <redpanda> we cant speak spanish here???
[03:23] <escott> please dont
[03:23] <cfhowlett> redpanda, please don't.  that's why #ubuntu-es is provided.
[03:24] <redpanda> ufff
[03:24] <jose106> you can speak any language you want here
[03:24] <redpanda> nice
[03:25] <jose106> sadly there are not as many users in the #ubuntu-es as you can find here
[03:25] <escott> jose106, no. this is the english channel. i confuses english speakers to come into this channel and see a wall of foreign text
[03:25] <jose106> then whay are other languages allowed?
[03:26] <redpanda> oohh please hahaha
[03:26] <cfhowlett> redpanda, think of it this way.  I live in Beijing.  I speak English.    No abuse intended or delivered.
[03:30] <ejv> !language | Riley88
[03:30] <redpanda> u cant have enough channels never
[03:31] <one> Hole buenos aries
[03:31] <cfhowlett> !es|one,    greetings
[03:36] <baron> hi
[03:36] <cfhowlett> baron, greetings
[03:37] <baron> cfhowlet.... You an Ubuntu guru?
[03:37] <cfhowlett> baron, lol.  hardly.  but I know a small bit ...
[03:38] <baron> Cfhowlet.. I'm using xchat for the first time and I want to know what goes here
[03:39] <cfhowlett> baron, OK.  first see this
[03:39] <cfhowlett> !topic|baron
[03:39] <cfhowlett> baron, that said, this is for ubuntu support.  If you have a question, ask.
[03:39] <cfhowlett> baron, if you can help others, please do so.  or just watch and learn ...
[03:40] <baron> topic
[03:40] <cfhowlett> baron,    /topic
[03:40] <baron> I'm not a channel operator... what's the topic?
[03:41] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu|baron,
[03:41] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu
[03:42] <cfhowlett> baron, also, if you don't have a special need, but just want to chat about ubuntu in general, /join #ubuntu-offtopic    Again, welcome.
[03:43] <baron> ok cfhowlet... What can you tellmeabout ubuntu
[03:43] <cfhowlett> baron, come over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:44] <cfhowlett> baron, type in     /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:44] <jose106> baron, just type: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> baron : you might also have a look at this ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[03:46] <chemicaltoilet> I think baron got the memo
[03:48] <redpanda> one: stop fooling round in ubuntu-es
[03:48] <johnjohn1013> concerning 12.04 LTS and it's five year support. do you think at some point we'll get a more recent supported kernel?
[03:48] <cfhowlett> johnjohn1013, have to ask the developers that one ...
[03:49] <Ben64> johnjohn1013: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Release/Rolling
[03:50] <johnjohn1013> takes ben64.   don't need it now but you never know with all the different hardware/chipsets in the next 5 years
[03:54] <tadpole> Software Center sure is laggy when downloading more then one app
[03:56] <Tex_Nick> tadpole : that's a rather subjective issue ... depends on a lot of factors ;-)
[03:57] <tadpole> Its not even touching my cpu/ram or my bandwidth. So no it is not.
[03:57] <tadpole> Its just laggy crap :p
[03:59] <johnjohn1013> why no just use synaptic?
[03:59] <isaias> msg nickserv regain TechyOfficer
[03:59] <tadpole> I use apt-get, Just checking out other things and commenting.
[03:59] <isaias> xD
[03:59] <tadpole> :D
[03:59] <tadpole> nice!
[03:59] <tadpole> atleast it was not your password
[03:59] <FloodBot1> tadpole: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:59] <tadpole> :/
[03:59] <tadpole> floodbot1 Shhh you!
[03:59] <TechieOfficer> there wego
[04:00] <Guest90878> end
[04:05] <ejv> johnjohn1013: if you're really concerned about it, plain old debian stable might be more appropriate for you needs
[04:05] <ejv> s/you/you're/
[04:07] <johnjohn1013> ejv, i like unity!  yeah, I would hate to have to go to another linux distro.
[04:10] <ejv> You were asking about long term support and stability, but it sounds like you're just a run-of-the-mill desktop user. I think you'll be just fine.
[04:12] <user007> Hi! My  system seems to struggle get smooth window Animations like opening nautilus, minimize, maximize. i have intel P4 cpu with inbuilt graphics, Intel GMA950. Does ubuntu require external graphics to render smooth animations ? Or is it the Software issue ?
[04:14] <Riley88> user007 not really thats just a old prossesor
[04:14] <hemangpatel> Hello ubuntu guys. Good morning
[04:15] <Riley88> user007 id suggest switching to a desktop enviroment that dosnt require 3d accelreation like xfce or lxde
[04:15] <hemangpatel> I have two folders with images.. But in one folder i have updated new images. then how can i differentiate new images from that two folders ?
[04:16] <user007> Riley88: Lately i had installed another linux distro called Pinguy which is based on Ubuntu. And i was able get very smooth animations. No lag whatsoever. Isn't that the issue pertaining to unity ?
[04:16] <Riley88> user007 was it using gnome classic aka fallback mode or full gnome3
[04:17] <Riley88> i know of pinguy the lagg your getting is probably because of compiz
[04:18] <user007> Riley88: I've tried both.. Later one uses gnome classic. But i've used gnome3 & i must say the animations were pretty smooth.
[04:18] <Riley88> then yea id suggest just installing gnome3 if it lets you use it over ubuntu
[04:19] <Riley88> or just go with xubuntu
[04:19] <user007> Riley88: I like Unity. It's pretty. Isn't there a way to get smooth animations ?
[04:20] <Riley88> not really on that prossessor you could try playing with ccsm compiz settings like changing refresh rate etc but i dout that would do much
[04:20] <hemangpatel> Ok i found meld.
[04:21] <user007> Riley88: So if my processor is upgraded everything would be fine ?
[04:21] <Riley88> yea
[04:21] <Riley88> im on a slightly older i5 with hd3000 and its great
[04:22] <Tex_Nick> user007:  have you looked at your system performance with "system monitor"
[04:22] <user007> Riley88: Cool :) I thought it was the issue in Unity. I'll have to upgrade my processor.
[04:23] <chainedchaos31> Hi guys, I'm a bit new with linux, and I'm trying to update my nvidia drivers in ubuntu by following this tut: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-quetzal-nvidia.html
[04:23] <chainedchaos31> however I get to this step and have an error :(
[04:23] <chainedchaos31> chainedchaos31@ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia_current  FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current (/lib/modules/3.5.0-21-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_current.ko): No such device
[04:24] <user007> Tex_Nick: Yes it's not at all loaded. CPU usage: 10% & ram usage: 30%. Rt now i'm running xchat and firefox. nautilus is open.
[04:24] <chainedchaos31> I've googled the error, but I'm having trouble understanding the results, is anyone able to help me out?
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[04:25] <FloodBot1> BullShark: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:25] <Riley88> bot
[04:25] <nc90_> dear FloodBot1 this time you wrong
[04:25] <nc90_> lol
[04:25] <Anomaly`> I'm trying to install Ubuntu but not sure if I should use Unity
[04:25] <dysinger> somebody please kick the BullShark bot
[04:26] <cerberus> hello
[04:26] <Riley88> anomaly what is your set up
[04:26] <Ben64> Anomaly`: you can always change it later
[04:26] <nc90_> bot's war :)
[04:26]  * dysinger wtf am I even doing in this chat
[04:27] <Anomaly`> ok thanx Ben64
[04:28] <Tex_Nick> user007:  i've had some problems with Dell P4 CPUs & integrated intel graphics where unity was REAL poor
[04:29] <Riley88> intels graphics didnt really get decent till hd300
[04:29] <Riley88> hd3000*
[04:29] <funsizejuicyfrui> how do you look up stuff on here
[04:29] <Riley88> what do you mean
 <Riley88> Thanks :)
[04:30] <chainedchaos31> anyone able to help with installing nvidia driver for ubunutu 12.10?
[04:31] <cerberus> my god thus Ubuntu program is amazing!
[04:32] <hemangpatel> cerberus : what happen ?
[04:32] <cerberus> I install Ubuntu
[04:32] <cerberus> It isn't just a program though.
[04:32] <cerberus> It is like a whole new windows!
[04:32] <krux> lol
[04:33] <one> It has the zitgiest spyware
[04:33] <rainbowtags> how can it be?
[04:33] <Ben64> !fud | one
[04:33] <one> to inject data into the nazi compruters
[04:33] <izx> How can i play dat files in ubuntu?
[04:33]  * chainedchaos31 is not sure if she is being laughed at
[04:33] <sp3ct3r> chainedchaos: maybe, i'm on 12.04. any luck using the additional driver gui?
[04:33] <cerberus> So what is everyone do with Ubuntu?
[04:33] <Andrew_R> !ubuntu | cerberus
[04:33] <rainbowtags> one: i removed zitgiest at my first wave of optimization
[04:34] <somsip> izx: often these are from VCDs and if you rename them as .mpg they might work in any media player
[04:34] <Ben64> izx: if you use the "file" command, it may provide insight into what the file type really is
[04:35] <chainedchaos31> sp3ct3r: My failed attempt to follow the tutorial I posted seems to have destroyed my install - I now only get the background image and can't even alt+f2 :(
[04:35] <izx> thankyou somsip Ben64
[04:36] <Ben64> chainedchaos31: can you open a terminal? (CTRL+ALT+T)
[04:37] <chainedchaos31> ah, yes, can do that
[04:38] <rainbowtags> one: one? are you using salix os? it's the default account
[04:38] <Ben64> chainedchaos31: what driver is loaded? paste the relevant line from this command here --- lshw -C VIDEO | grep driver
[04:38] <cerberus> q
[04:38] <cerberus> q
[04:39] <dave311> hi guys, could someone please help me setting file associations? I'm trying to make sublime text 2 my default text editor instead of gedit. I went to /usr/shared/applications/default.list and changed all instances of gedit to sublime on a hunch but that didn't work
[04:39] <cerberus> How do I exit out opf this program
[04:39] <dave311>  /exit
[04:40] <Aria__> What is the most recent Ubuntu?
[04:41] <Andrew_R> dave311: I created a .desktop file in ~/.local/applications for Subline Text 2, then used Nautilus to set the default program for the file types I wanted
[04:41] <chainedchaos31> Ben64: ah man, it's using a vmware thing
[04:41] <Aria__> 12.10 says Ubuntu.com, but maybe thats just the most recent stable version
[04:41] <chainedchaos31> Ben64: driver=vmwgfx latency=64
[04:41] <Ben64> chainedchaos31: you're running ubuntu in vmware?
[04:42] <chainedchaos31> Ben64: yeah, now I feel stupid - this affects the drivers?
[04:42] <Ben64> Aria__: 13.04 is yet to be released. support and stuff in #ubuntu+1
[04:42] <Perroviejo> hola me gustaria saber, como entrar a la base de datos del registro civil
[04:42] <Andrew_R> dave311: I created a .desktop file in ~/.local/applications for Subline Text 2, then used Nautilus to set the default program for the file types I wanted
[04:42] <Ben64> chainedchaos31: i've never tried it, not sure, sorry
[04:42] <Perroviejo> para alterarla e imprimir un acta de nacimiento a un amigo de guatemala
[04:42] <Tex_Nick> dave311:  try right clicking on your data file ... choose properties ... open with ... choose application & save as default
[04:42] <Aria__> Ben64: The .04 ones are LTS, correct? So 12.10 is where Ill see the most up to date packages?
[04:43] <Riley88> aria__ no
[04:43] <Riley88> every two years is an lts
[04:43] <dave311> Andrew_R: I did create the sublime.desktop and I replaced all references I could find to gedit.desktop to sublime.desktop. I wasn't able to find that option in properties but perhaps that is because I'm not using Nautilus as a file manager
[04:43] <sp3ct3r> chainedchaos31: sorry im slow...irc'ing on my iphone. never had any luck using nvidia drivers in vmware
[04:43] <Ben64> Aria__: every other .04 is LTS, 8.04, 10.04, 12.04, 14.04
[04:43] <Riley88> so 12.04 was one but wont be another till 14.04
[04:43] <Aria__> Alright, how do I getthe 13.04 package?
[04:44] <Aria__> Install DVD I mean. Not sure why I wrote package
[04:44] <chainedchaos31> sp3ct3r: ah, ok - i just want to update drivers so I can get some opengl stuff working on a unix environment
[04:44] <Riley88> aria__ you can get the daily isos from ubuntu or just wait till april lol
[04:44] <chainedchaos31> might need to dual boot
[04:44] <Riley88> im actually on 13.04 right now because i needed the 3.8 kernel
[04:45] <Aria__> UBuntu website doesn't have a obvious way of getting 13.04..
[04:45] <dave311> oh ok I see I have found the "Open With" tab in my file manager, however sublime is not one of the applications I can chose to open it in and there doesn't appear to be an option to browse to any others
[04:45] <Ben64> Aria__: have you tried googling "ubuntu 13.04"
[04:45] <Riley88> google ubuntu 13.04 daily iso
[04:45] <sp3ct3r> chainedchaos31: dual booting is probably your best bet
[04:45] <chainedchaos31> ok, thanks for your help sp3ct3r and Ben64
[04:46] <Ben64> dave311: it's not in the repositories, so it's not officially supported
[04:46] <Aria__> Right, found it. Thanks
[04:46] <dr_willis> !download
[04:46] <sp3ct3r> although i have a few problems with opengl still...probably fixable i'm just lazy
[04:46] <Tex_Nick> dave311:  try right clicking on your data file ... choose properties ... open with ... choose application & save as default
[04:47] <Andrew_R> dave311: I'm not sure which file you need, look at ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[04:48] <chainedchaos31> sp3ct3r: there's problems with most libraries/frameworks, OpenGL seems to be the way to go for me now
[04:48] <sp3ct3r> yup
[04:49] <dave311> ok so ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list contains ...
[04:49] <dave311> [Added Associations]
[04:49] <dave311> text/x-python=sublime.desktop;
[04:49] <dave311> [Default Applications]
[04:49] <dave311> text/x-python=sublime.desktop
[04:49] <FloodBot1> dave311: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:51] <histo> How do I tell what my current dns servers are with this resolvconf and networkmanager stuff taking over?
[04:51] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. I just took my old PC, which was on Win7, wiped the drive, and installed windows 8. I then shrunk the partition to half of the drive. I then ran Ubuntu's install via "install alongside windows 8" and when I boot it just goes straight to windows 8
[04:51] <WACOMalt> how do I get to grub?
[04:51] <histo> WACOMalt: did you use 64bit ubuntu?
[04:51] <WACOMalt> yes
[04:51] <histo> !grub2 | WACOMalt
[04:51] <histo> !uefi | WACOMalt
[04:52] <WACOMalt> will read up...
[04:52] <WACOMalt> will both OSes boot without UEFI?
[04:52] <WACOMalt> I can turn it on or off
[04:52] <histo> WACOMalt: no windows 8 needs efi I thought
[04:52] <histo> WACOMalt: You may have to ask the winblows ppl though to see #windows
[04:53] <WACOMalt> *windows
[04:53] <WACOMalt> and will do. I'm already in there
[04:53] <histo> s/*windows/winblows/
[04:53] <WACOMalt> s/winblows/stop_caring_so_much
[04:53] <WACOMalt> :)
[04:54] <Tex_Nick> i thought windoze 8 would install on non-efi BIOSs ???
[04:54] <Andrew_R> Tex_Nick: it does
[04:54] <histo> Tex_Nick: It may I might be thinking that due to M$ requiring manufacturers to ship with efi if it's OEM.
[04:55] <histo> I'd assume they'd have that ability so ppl with bios could upgrade
[04:55] <WACOMalt> I only turned on UEFI to install ubuntu actually, because I put the install ISO onto a 3TB USB drive :P
[04:55] <WACOMalt> which wont booth without UEFI
[04:55] <WACOMalt> lemme turn it off and see whatr happens
[04:57] <Tex_Nick> seems i've seen that windoze 8 would continue to run on efi BIOS after uefi is disabeled
[05:10] <sawrubh> hey, I faced this problem today. I had an external hard drive connected so when I tried to safely remove it, the modal dialog which pops up saying it's in use and then you can press cancel or unmount anyway, however in the background another window popped up which said "Writing data back" and then the hard drive was safely removed
[05:10] <sawrubh> however the modal dialog still remained and since the hard drive no longer was there, it kept on visible, even though I tried pressing on both the cancel and unmount anyway since the handler for that window must have died after the hard drive was safely removed I don't know where is the right place to report this bug, gnome or ubuntu, so someone with more
[05:10] <sawrubh> knowledge can please file this bug on my behalf in the appropriate forum
[05:11] <sawrubh> I'm on Ubuntu 12.10 with Gnome 3.6
[05:15] <sbward> just stopping by to show some appreciation for ubuntu
[05:15] <sbward> thanks ubuntu
[05:15] <sbward> you arent perfect but you beat the shit out of windows for the most part
[05:31] <AcidRain> i need help in ubuntu 12 setting my internal ip address.
[05:31] <AcidRain> i see how to do it using the network manager. but when i set my ip to <IP_ADDRESS> it doesnt let me connect to the net. but it still allows me to connect to router
[05:32] <AcidRain> i tried setting the mac address to automatically get assigned in the router settings, and it still sets to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:34] <kepler> AcidRain: what are you setting as the gateway and subnet mask?
[05:35] <AcidRain> gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>. subnet mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:35] <kepler> are you able to ping <IP_ADDRESS> ? may be a dns issue, not an IP issue
[05:36] <AcidRain> 11 packets transmitted, 11 received, 0% packet loss, time 10013ms
[05:36] <AcidRain> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 42.402/43.518/44.468/0.657 ms
[05:36] <IdleOne> Noskcaj: please stop messaging the FloodBots
[05:36] <Noskcaj> IdleOne, but it's so entertaining
[05:36] <kepler> but you can't get to www.google.com ?
[05:42] <mangdood> Hi guys, I want to use this server program that is still in alpha, and I'd like to know how to allow it to run at system startup
[05:43] <redpanda> when destop start or when system start?
[05:43] <redpanda> desktop*
[05:43] <mangdood> redpanda: preferably when the system starts. I know how to do it on login
[05:43] <redpanda> mmm
[05:44] <redpanda> i am not sure about that
[05:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> if I can do an mplayer stream from my webcam with /dev/video0, what would I use to stream from my monitor's output (seems redundant, yeah, but I wanna try something)
[05:51] <Tex_Nick> ntzrmtthihu777:  you would need to use a video capture device ... if your monitor has video out ... @^@
[05:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> Tex_Nick: mhm, you do get what I'm trying to do, right? a kinda picture-in-picture thing
[05:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> Tex_Nick: by video out you mean like a hdmi port?
[05:52] <Hatori> !find libreoffice-writer
[05:53] <Hatori> !info libreoffice-writer
[05:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> Hatori: just install libreoffice, and it will give them all
[05:53] <Tex_Nick> ntzrmtthihu777:  i don't know of any way to do a PIP in the fashion you're refering to :-)
[05:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> Tex_Nick: try running this (I assume you have a webcam)
[05:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:device=/dev/video0
[05:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> if I recall right, I can use mplayer's output option to record my cam like this, but I'ma try to record my screen in a similar fashion
[05:57] <trusupha> Both under KDE and XFCE moving a display(1) window from one monitor to another using the default Intel display drivers causes display(1)'s window to lose its decorations.
[05:57] <trusupha> Also, sometimes its aspect ratio. What's happening here?
[06:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> you try under gnome?
[06:02] <trusupha> Not yet, no
[06:02] <nfd> I've got a quick, dumb question: running xubuntu 12.10, xscreensaver keeps freezing. It could be configuration issues, but the box wouldn't respond to num or caps toggles.
[06:03] <nfd> NVM about the config issues part actually, mistyped
[06:03] <nfd> Anyway, has anyone seen this? Should I just reinstall xscreensaver?
[06:04] <trusupha> (For that matter, I'm interested if there's any simple, quick Linux viewer even vaguely like Irfanview. In particular, such that it resizes its window to the image rather than the other way around and has a clean, image-oriented UI, not drawing attention to itself.)
[06:04] <trusupha> (display's just the best I've found.)
[06:05] <trusupha> There's feh too but that has other issues which I kind of forget now.
[06:06] <nfd> Unrelated to the above: in what package could I find gtk2-devel?
[06:06] <nfd> Yeah, I was about to mention feh. It has a habit of blowing up images to a larger size than my monitor, though.  But it just seems like the world can't possibly need one more image viewer.
[06:09] <trusupha> That's the thing though: I'd prefer that if below some size [relative to max individual monitor resolution], show 100% zoom. otherwise fit to largest monitor with easy way to go to 100% zoom if desired.
[06:09] <jony> how can be google chrome forced to save a password?
[06:09] <jrib> trusupha: what's the issue with feh again?
[06:09] <trusupha> Just a moment. Reinstalling and playing with it to find out again.
[06:11] <trusupha> okay, first, its behavior on window resize isn't very useful. But neither is display's, so.
[06:13] <nfd> jony: You're putting login info into a form, but Chrome isn't detecting it?
[06:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> jony: some websites do not permit it
[06:16] <jony> nfd, yes, exactly
[06:17] <trusupha> Hm, feh seems less bothersome now. Will try it again for a while.
[06:17] <jony> ntzrmtthihu777, firefox remembered the same site
[06:17] <trusupha> if image size > lowest-res monitor apparently it caps window size, which I guess is reasonable.
[06:18] <jrib> trusupha: you may also want to check out its man page for various options
[06:18] <trusupha> Interesting, it has a thumbnails mode.
[06:19] <trusupha> (and index, etc)
[06:21] <nfd> jony: weird.  You could install some password manager addon like LastPass or something, but I'd probably just remember the one password.
[06:23] <kameron> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing. is this deprecated? is there another way i can reconfigure X, or get the same level of autodetection that i had when installing? using 13.04
[06:24] <trusupha> jrib: is there a way, when using --geometry, to get it to employ a logic something like 'if -g options > image size, use image size; if -g options don't match aspect ratio, adjust dimension with excess slack to snap to image rather than showing background; otherwise, use exact geometry'?
[06:24] <ronnie> hello?
[06:25] <trusupha> Or to have it automatically reduce its own window size if the image has been zoomed out enough that there's background visible everywhere
[06:25] <ronnie> so i put ubuntu on my laptop a few weeks ago and just got xchat lol
[06:30] <trusupha> feh seems less prone to wackiness so far though and overall preferable.
[06:32] <jony> nfd, TY, I will try that
[06:33] <vnc786> can some suggest Open Source Human Resource Software ..?
[06:34] <peterrooney> feh chokes on large images (well, technically imlib chokes)
[06:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> thanks all, I managed to figure out what I wanted on my own :D
[06:35] <trusupha> peterrooney: what does "large" mean in this context?
[06:37] <peterrooney> trusupha:  last time It did that,  was on a 10000x7000 jpeg file
[06:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> !whatis feh
[06:38] <T3X> We need to get some Critical information from a backup logs the file is 8000TB big, how can get this information?
[06:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> !feh
[06:38] <trusupha> Ah. Larger than usual, but disconcertingly close to normal image sizes (within a factor of, say, 2 or 3 rather than 10).
[06:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> dang, lol.
[06:38] <peterrooney> feh is an image parser/viewer/slideshow program.
[06:38] <kameron> ~xorg
[06:38] <trusupha> http://feh.finalrewind.org/
[06:38] <kameron> !xorg
[06:39] <kameron> !xorgconf
[06:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ok, here is a question. if I am using avconv to screencapture, and I had originally launched it with the alt+f2 run prompt, would killall avconv do the trick, and would there be any reason it would break something?
[06:42] <Tex_Nick> T3X : out of curiosity ... what app/utility created the log & what is the file type/format
[06:43] <T3X> Tex_Nick: somem combination of Turbine and Generators controls softwares in a power plant
[06:44] <Tex_Nick> TX3 : ahh ok, so it's a SCADA type log created by a PLC
[06:44] <Wiky> my ubuntu12.04 can't shutdown normally, the screen is off, but the power light of laptop is still on with the sound of fan
[06:44] <T3X> Tex_Nick: Yes Sir.
[06:45] <trusupha> T3X: aren't even flat-out transfer rates going to be slow enough on that such that searching it efficiently depends on minimizing that bandwidth bottleneck?
[06:45] <trusupha> (and/or having a search index for it)
[06:45] <T3X> Tex_Nick: Trip happned and we need to invistigate what caused the trip, and all the infomation on that file
[06:46] <Wiky> i have to power cut
[06:47] <Tex_Nick> TX3 : it's probably proprietary information & i wouldn't begin to provide such info ;-)
[06:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> Wiky: did you try a terminal shutdown?
[06:47] <Wiky> no
[06:48] <Wiky> it's different?
[06:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> Wiky: sudo shutdown -h now
[06:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> maybe, maybe not. it could help pin down the location of the problem
[06:48] <Wiky> ntzrmtthihu777: ok, i'll try later
[06:50] <Kris_away> Anyone remember how to remove the ubuntu cloud from the tray and leave the rest of the icons?
[06:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kris_away: you mean Ubuntu ONE?
[06:50] <Kris_away> yup
[06:51] <Tex_Nick> TX# : contact the operator of the utility & ask for the ladder logic & TEO ... they can provide you with the data format
[06:51] <Tex_Nick> *TX3
[06:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> quite frankly I haven't the foggiest. I removed all the social bs early on, but ONE still showes up in that area so I can't clean up my panel quite as much as I like
[06:53] <Kris_away> ntzrmtthihu777: Heh, my luck, the only icon i dont want is the one I can''t figure out how to remove, the mail icon is where a use things like xchat hide
[06:54] <Kris_away> Anyone here using 13.04 and have the sidebar act buggy when it's set up autohide? the bar hides but leaves graphical artifacts behind
[06:55] <snowyrooftops> I wonder if Ubuntu 13.04 will run on an old laptop with a Core Duo processor
[06:55] <Kris_away> snowyrooftops,  have the specs?
[06:55] <snowyrooftops> I was concerned about the performance of 12.10 so I switched to Mint 14 a while back
[06:55] <trusupha> Why wouldn't it?
[06:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: depends on how old, and if you intend to keep unity
[06:56] <trusupha> Yeah, well, whether Unity runs is a different question.
[06:56] <snowyrooftops> Kris_away: It's got 3GB RAM and a Core Duo T2300
[06:56] <snowyrooftops> Kris_away: It's a Thinkpad T60 with an 80GB hard drive
[06:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: want a nifty way to easy give system specs?
[06:56] <snowyrooftops> Kris_away: It currently runs Mint 14 Mate
[06:56] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: Sure!
[06:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon II X2 240e (-MCP-) clocked at 1500.000 Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-39-generic x86_64 Up~11:49 Mem~1797.9/3447.5MB HDD~532.0GB(18.6% used) Procs~205 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.7.33
[06:56] <Kris_away> snowyrooftops,  hahaha, I have a T60p I run xubuntu on it, super fast
[06:57] <chunkyhead> trying out colemak and miserably failing, this sentence took me more than 5mins
[06:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: pretty cool, right? I don't know what irc client you use, but if you install inxi you can do that in irssi, and maybe others
[06:57] <snowyrooftops> Kris_away: I remember a Xubuntu vs Lubuntu thing a while back for performance
[06:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> chunkyhead: colemak? daheck is that
[06:57] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: I'm using Xchat... I think there's a way to do something like that in Xchat too
[06:58] <trusupha> KDE should run fine if one disables desktop effects too
[06:58] <Kris_away> snowyrooftops, I find lubuntu to be too minimal, xubuntu is basically gnome2, but smaller and faster
[06:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: install inxi (nifty on its own, let alone in irc) and try running it in xchat with /exec -o inxi
[06:59] <snowyrooftops> Kris_away: Is app compatibility an issue when using desktop managers that aren't the 'mainstream' (for Ubuntu, that would be Unity) for a distro?
[06:59] <snowyrooftops> CPU~Dual core Intel CPU T2300 (-MCP-) clocked at 1000.000 Mhz Kernel~3.5.0-17-generic i686 Up~15:24 Mem~458.4/3021.9MB HDD~80.0GB(42.2% used) Procs~160 Client~X-Chat 2.8.8 inxi~1.8.4
[06:59] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: Cool! :-)
[07:00] <Kris_away> snowyrooftops, Haven't had any problems on 12.04 and 12.10, I run steam and game on it too
[07:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: unity is technically not a desktop per se, its a compiz plugin that runs on top of gnome if I recall right
[07:00] <chunkyhead> ntzrmtthihu777: google. i am taking ages to type
[07:00] <Kris_away> I'm glad caninical said they're rewriting unity, it's slow and bloated right now, but the design is nice and simple... it'll be nice using Qt
[07:01] <trusupha> I thought there was a Qt version too?
[07:01] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: Oh. I thought it was a desktop manager because of all of the Unity vs Gnome 3 blog posts.
[07:01] <trusupha> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/unity-2d-qt-now-available-in-ppa-for.html
[07:01] <doomlord> unity rewrite?  are they changing it much? i like unity, it needs minor tweaks IMO
[07:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> gnome-panel + docky does the trick for me
[07:01] <snowyrooftops> chunkyhead: Why do you go colemak instead of qwerty?
[07:01] <doomlord> I'm a fan of global-menu.. unity has the menu in the right place
[07:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> chunkyhead: hehe, it says ars XD
[07:02] <Kris_away> doomlord, It'l be the same basically, just faster and lighter
[07:02] <selena2013> i love unity
[07:02] <chunkyhead> actually ntzrmtthihu777 it is a keyboard layout
[07:02] <doomlord> ok optmization, great
[07:02] <snowyrooftops> I was concerned the 3D emulation in Unity for Ubuntu 12.10 would kill the CPU
[07:02] <Kris_away> qwerty is slow for people with small hands... i have big hands so the spread out nature of qwerty works for me
[07:02] <chunkyhead> ntzrmtthihu777: lol
[07:03] <snowyrooftops> Kris_away: small hands... reminds me of the T-Rex from that animated film about time travel and all
[07:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> chunkyhead: heh, I thought maybe you meant dvorak but typed it like you would on a qwerty board
[07:03] <doomlord> things I'd tweak in unity:- [1] Keep the menu permanently visible. [2] right click workspace icon=scale [3] click dock icon shows all windows of that application from all desktops. [4] Include desktops in the alt-tab list (like windows has 'show-desktop', but use it to switch)
[07:03] <selena2013> you have gorilla hands lol
[07:03] <Ben64> chat in #ubuntu-offtopic , not in here. this is just for support
[07:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> chunkyhead: did you have to rearrange your keyboard keys or what to youse colemak
[07:05] <snowyrooftops> Are there any performance improvements planned for Ubunt 13.04?  Ben64 dude u dont know how much i was struggling
[07:07] <Ben64> and again, this channel is for support only, take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:07] <snowyrooftops> Ben64: *thanks for the tip (not top)
[07:07] <chunkyhead> btw guys which layout do you prefer/recommend?
[07:07] <Ben64> !ot | chunkyhead
[07:08] <chunkyhead> Ben64: im on ubuntu asking for which is the best layout for programmers, still do i need to go to that channel?
[07:08] <Ben64> yeah
[07:08] <chunkyhead> alright
[07:08] <dr_willis> its more of personal preferance then anything else.
[07:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> chunkyhead: yeah, its a bit odd to me but dems da rules
[07:08] <pvh_sa_> heya there, i'm trying to integrate my Gnome Contacts with my gmail contact list. This is on Ubuntu 12.10, upgrade from previous versions (I think the original install was 11.10). Right now Contacts only offers me the option "Local Address book" - is there some package I need to install? (and btw my google account is registered in the Online Accounts section)
[07:09] <Ben64> it's too easy to have this channel descend into chaos without rules
[07:10] <chunkyhead> ntzrmtthihu777: no topic other than keyboard layout is going on here, i fail to understand how that upsetspeople
[07:10] <acidflame> yay! I just defected from windows:D Partition gone and all:D
[07:10] <snowyrooftops> BTW, when I had a go at Ubuntu 12.10 in VirtualBox, I remember it was quite slow and unresponsive. I guess I'll give Xubuntu 12.10 a go.
[07:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> acidflame: ( ^w^)人(^w^ )
[07:11] <dr_willis> snowyrooftops:  unity uses 3d features. that will slow down a lot  in vbox... lubuntu or xubuntu would run better]
[07:11] <snowyrooftops> acidflame: I planned to do that too... but then I recalled that perhaps that's where my boot loader would be, so not sure
[07:11] <chunkyhead> snowyrooftops: run ubuntu 2d :D
[07:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: do you have a separate /home?
[07:11] <dr_willis> 12.10 dosent have Ubuntu-2d any more
[07:11] <snowyrooftops> chunkyhead: I thought the 2D was only available till Ubuntu 12.04
[07:11] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: I went with a default - everything on one partition
[07:12] <acidflame> I cleaned mine off with a usb installer
[07:12] <acidflame> saved all I needed to my other hdd
[07:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: heh, i learned early on a separate /home is the way to go
[07:12] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: It's difficult to manage free space with multiple partitions for my laptop as I don't really need to separate apps from each other.
[07:12] <chunkyhead> snowyrooftops: oh my bad, i use 12.04 lts and hence i know abt that. 12.10 doesn't have any major upgrades that would want me to switch to tit
[07:12] <chunkyhead> it* lol
[07:13] <acidflame> All I know is I hope w8 dies...its terrible....I gave it 3 months....crashy pos when you try to do anything other than consume media
[07:13] <acidflame> useless for actual work
[07:13] <snowyrooftops> ntzrmtthihu777: But for a server, I imagine keeping the logs from interfering with the operation of the /tmp stuff would help - esp when the logs could fill up an entire disk
[07:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> snowyrooftops: nah, its pretty simple. 16gb /, as much swap as you think is needed, rest of /home
[07:14]  * ntzrmtthihu777 uh-ohs
[07:14] <Amote> hei guys how do i change themes
[07:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> Amote: system settings, appearance
[07:18] <dreki> So when I extract a .tar.* file and configure/compile/install it, I believe i will need to keep that directory if i ever want to uninstall that application. is that correct?
[07:19] <dr_willis> make a .deb of the  thing and install the .deb   makes it easier to remove later
[07:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> dreki: this^
[07:21] <trusupha> At least a while ago I used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall for that; don't know if there's a better way
[07:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> dreki: or, if you are really ambitious, make a personal ppa and push it to there
[07:21] <dreki> i will have to look up a guide later for that. so i will need the original directory for removing? and if so is there usually a place that i should keep used .tar.* directories?
[07:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> dreki: say ~/.src/
[07:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> its invisible, and it is what the name is, source code
[07:23] <dreki> makes sense..  i just didn't know if there was a generally accepted place everyone kept that kind of stuff thank you
[07:24] <doomlord> is there a setting to make global menu permanently visible (not alternating with window-title when unfocussed)?
[07:25] <dr_willis> doomlord:  not that ive ever noticed.  askubuntu.com may know
[07:27] <doomlord> not really important but its less distracting when it doesn't switch all the time.. plus shows hotkey reference all the time; and you already have the target for where to aim the mouse to use it
[07:28] <AAA> doomlord: keyoboard shortcuts ++
[07:30] <dr_willis> i never really notice it switching.
[07:31] <AAA> you know; it's funny how vim users hast emacs. the default shell for most GNU/distros uses emacs key bindings by default in the shel
[07:31] <doomlord> the space is more useful when its actually showing the menu IMO
[07:31] <dr_willis> it shows both. :)
[07:33] <doomlord> even when maximized i think i'd choose to show the menu and put the title in the centre like itunes
[07:33] <dr_willis> well apple is good at defining standards for the gui then breaking them. ;)
[07:34] <doomlord> apple isn't perfect, but usually good
[07:34] <dr_willis> im getting so used to using android these days.. many of the old gui designs seem.. weird
[07:35] <Kartagis> !find libavcodec-a
[07:35] <Kartagis> !find libavcodec.a
[07:35] <dr_willis> apple used to be all about 'we researched gui ussage and this is how things should be....' now they are changeing things just to change things  it seems. at least Ubuntu seems ot have an end goal for their changes and quirks..  saveing space for when things get pushed onto phones and tablets
[07:35] <AAA> try doing <ctrl-a> on the shell (moves the cursor to the starrt). then gry <ctrl-a> in vi. not the same. but in vim if you do ^, it will take you the begininng
[07:36] <doomlord> well ubuntu is my favourite linux environment out of the box purely because of globalmenu. I've always utterly hated the windows style
[07:36] <dr_willis> I cant recall ever using crtl-anything when i use vi. ;)
[07:36] <AAA> the default bash command line key bindings are emamcs
[07:36] <dr_willis> guess im to used to the old skool ways
[07:37] <AAA> yet emacs is not on > 80% distrons
[07:37] <AAA> vi?m is
[07:37] <AAA> er vim?
[07:37] <dr_willis> some form of vi - yes.
[07:37] <dr_willis> busybox has its own mini vi, it might have an emacs option also. never really looked
[07:37] <dr_willis> used emacs or variants of it years ago..
[07:38] <sxk> hello
[07:38] <trusupha> I thought vim-tiny was actually one of the possible default-installed versions of 'vim', too.
[07:38] <dr_willis> i dont do a lot of text editing any more these days
[07:38] <MadsRC> Anyone know if NFs is notably faster than SMB/SAMBA?
 aka <meta> a aka M-a
[07:38] <dr_willis> vim-tiny used to be a default. but i think it got changed a few releases back
[07:38] <dr_willis> MadsRC:  ive heard NFS is faster yes.
[07:39] <trusupha> old SMB doesn't pipeline requests. SMB2 (Vista & newer & Samba 3.6 and newer) does
[07:39] <MadsRC> Thanks dr_willis
[07:39] <AAA> it brings you to the beginning of the like. most OS follow thi
[07:39] <MadsRC> I think my SMB version is... 2.6 or something on my ubuntu 12.04 server?
[07:39] <trusupha> SMB or Samba?
[07:39] <MadsRC> Samba
[07:40] <dr_willis> wonder if the samba 4 stuff gains any speed boosts.
[07:40] <trusupha> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/samba says 3.6 not 2.6? also keep in mind it's experimental in 3.6
[07:40] <Cache_Money> I'm running Ubuntu 12.04.  How do I prevent duplicate files from being created?  i.e. I create test.py and I run  $ ls  , it ruturns [test.py, test.py~]
[07:40] <AAA> dr_willis: sorry. I got causht up on sthe extranious bologna
[07:41] <dr_willis> Cache_Money:  thats backups from your text editor
[07:41] <somsip> Cache_Money: it'll do that if the file is open in an editor and the editor is set to create backups
[07:41] <Cache_Money> I'm using Gedit
[07:41] <somsip> Cache_Money: it'll be Gedit then
[07:41] <dr_willis> ive seen those backups save  your backside... befor. ;)
[07:42] <Cache_Money> dr_willis: should I save them to another directory?
[07:42] <pleasehelp> can anyone tell me what channel for backtrack
[07:42] <dr_willis> Cache_Money:  no.. the editor handels it all...
[07:42] <somsip> !backtrack | pleasehelp
[07:42] <jnhghy> Hi, I need some help with umask, I have a user that logs directly to dosemu (it's set in passwd -> to user/bin/dosemu) the issue is that any file created by the user is rw-rw-r. I tried to run "unix umask 002" and "unix umask 077" in dosemu but the files created after this commands don't inherit the umask setting showing me that the umask needs probably to be run before the user enters dosemu, do I need to create a script that will throw umask 002 and the
[07:42] <jnhghy> n lunch dosemu for the user? or is there a better way?
[07:42] <dr_willis> Cache_Money:  if the editr crashes or somthing happens it can restore from thebackups i belive
[07:43] <trusupha> At least for emacs that's a distinct 'backup' file
[07:43] <redpanda> hey
[07:44] <Cache_Money> dr_willis: ahh.  I save periodically, I should be fine then.  Thanks
[07:44] <redpanda> there is any admin here?
[07:44] <dr_willis> redpanda:  channel ops are here and  there lurking around.
[07:44] <dr_willis> if thats what you are asking about
[07:44] <redpanda> i wanna talk with an admin :3
[07:45] <dr_willis> redpanda:  why?
[07:45] <IdleOne> redpanda: join #ubuntu-ops
[07:45] <dr_willis> by admin you mean a channel op?
[07:45] <trusupha> dr_willis: if I create a file "test" in emacs and type a few characters, it creates a file in the same directory named ".#test" for the purpose you describe
[07:45] <Anaki> goog morning
[07:45] <x_> because redpanda is special and needs special attention, of course, dr_willis !
[07:45] <trusupha> The backup file for user purposes is different and unlike .#test not deleted upon saving successfuly, etc.
[07:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> whoami
[07:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> ok
[07:46] <dr_willis> Special Panda is Special
[07:46] <x_> lol
[07:46] <IdleOne> !behelpful
[07:47] <pleasehelp> how to fix the dual boot, i have windows xp before runs with backtrack, but when i re-install the windows xp with windows 8 , there's no more choise when it's booting, it's directly go to the windows without showing the dual boot section? how to fix this?
[07:47] <dr_willis> !fixgrub > pleasehelp
[07:47] <dr_willis> pleasehelp:  and backktrack has its own support channels
[07:47] <pleasehelp> dr_willis : how to do that?
[07:47] <dr_willis> read the info the bot sent you.
[07:48] <dr_willis> im not sure how much of it applys to backtrack either.
[07:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: backtrack is, for the most part, lucid.
[07:49] <AAA> linux is linux. backtrack is an Ubuntu clone
[07:49] <dr_willis> Dont need it. dont use it. ;)
[07:49] <AAA> what part of that is hard to get pleasehelp
[07:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> AAA: pleasehelp does not understand the instruction to take the bot's pm, noob on irc I bet
[07:50] <dreki> So i compiled lftp today from the .tar because i  wanted to "./configure --with-openssl=/usr/lib" so lftp would have sftp support. so how would i make a .deb file with a configuration like that?
[07:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: what irc client are you using? Xchat, irssi, mibbit?
[07:51] <pleasehelp> Thankyou AAA , before i'm using windows 8, i have windows xp runs with backtrack, but then i re-install the windows with windows 8 . Now i can't login to the dual boot section where i can chose Windows or Backtrack. Now everytime i reboot my computer, it's directly go to windows without showing the dual boot section?
[07:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: its an easy fix, do you have a live cd/usb available?
[07:52] <dr_willis> pleasehelp:  you need to reinstall your grub bootloader. the bot sent you urls on how to do that.
[07:52] <AAA> pleasehelp: update-grub or grub-update or similar
[07:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: he does not know how to look at the bot's message.
[07:52] <pleasehelp> ntzrmtthihu777 : how to fix this, i'm running live-usb Ubuntu 12.04 LTS right now.
[07:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: how are you on irc?
[07:53] <dr_willis> !fixgrub |  pleasehelp
[07:53] <pleasehelp> AAA : from my live-usb terminal?
[07:53] <trusupha> dreki: checkinstall can do it
[07:53] <AAA> ntzrmtthihu777: it sounds like a permission problem
[07:53] <jnhghy> pleasehelp: this should guide you: http://www.howopensource.com/2012/05/reinstall-recover-grub-from-ubuntu-12-04-live-cd-usb/
[07:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: I got you, its easy.
[07:54] <trusupha> run configure, then for the actual make steps which copy files places, run them under checkinstall
[07:54] <trusupha> checkinstall make foo
[07:55] <AAA> pleasehelp: you need to upgrade grub. there sure be some grub<tab> stuff avavailable
[07:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair
[07:55] <AAA> pleasehelp: not upgrade, update
[07:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> then run boot-repair from terminal
[07:55] <pleasehelp> AAA : i think so, cause after i re-install  my windows with windows 8, it longer shows where i can chose my go to backtrack or windows.
[07:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: see my above post, will solve all your issues
[07:56] <AAA> pleasehelp: can you boot into linux? if do grub-update (or whatever ubuntu says)
[07:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> AAA: he said he was on live-usb.
[07:57] <AAA> pleasehelp: and lookup MBR and vmlinux. that is your homework
[07:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: again, the above steps will restore your grub and re-enable your linux distro
[07:57] <AAA> pleasehelp: vmlinuz too
[07:57] <jnhghy> how can I create a file with 666 permission in mcedit? with a non-root user? seting umask 0002 doesn't do it...
[07:57] <pleasehelp> ntzrmtthihu777 : it says error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633431/
[07:58] <pleasehelp> AAA : vmlinuz ?
[07:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: first off get the hell outta sudo su
[07:58] <AAA> ntzrmtthihu777: it is a read only mount? look at the contes of the mount command don't pastye them, just look
[07:58] <peawormsworth> is there a mini.iso for raring 13.04?
[07:59] <pleasehelp> ntzrmtthihu777 : i've tried without sudo su, but still says the same error.
[07:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: if you can't fix this issue yourself you have very little reason to be in su
[07:59] <AAA> pleasehelp: YES vmlinuz, research
[08:00] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: create normal file with mcedit and then CHMOD it
[08:00] <pleasehelp> i'm new to linux, so please help
[08:00] <KeyboardNotFound> chmod | jnhghy
[08:00] <KeyboardNotFound> !chmod | jnhghy
[08:01] <peawormsworth> is there a link for 13.04 minimal install? like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[08:01] <jnhghy> keyboardnotfound: thanks for the answer but I need it to be done auto, for example if a user makes a file it needs 666 permission, I don't want to have the user chmod the file
[08:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: honestly a new linux user should not try backtrack, methinks
[08:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> !patience | peawormsworth
[08:01] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: where you save your file ?
[08:02] <jnhghy> I tested in /home/user/test/file
[08:02] <dr_willis> and there are the  urls posted on how to reinstall the grubloader we gave  earlier pleasehelp  - you basically install and run the boot-repair tool and it 'should' fix it
[08:02] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: should have full permissions on it
[08:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: he tried, and it gave him an issue with adding the ppa
[08:03] <pleasehelp> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sdb8 /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
[08:03] <xalei> hi there, my problem is I just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and after logging in I'm just sent back to the login screen
[08:03] <thorhammer> need help have half installed  package  and need to repair please help
[08:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: try update-grub
[08:03] <pleasehelp> i've tried this one : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub
[08:03] <AAA> dr_willis: the ol' 'throw a grenaded' at it aproach
[08:04] <stacky1> can i please get a link to the source to ubuntu 13.04
[08:04] <tadpole> google
[08:05] <AAA> xalei: can you login on the console? maybe <alt F4> or something?
[08:05] <xalei> AAA, same thing happens there, at command prompt
[08:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> =_= and this is why I never do in-install upgrades
[08:05] <xalei> it logs me in, then logs me out immediately
[08:05] <AAA> xalei: can you ssh into it?
[08:05] <jason_> Hello good people of Panem! The the odd be ever in your favor!
[08:06] <xalei> um... don't think so
[08:06] <pleasehelp> still not working
[08:06] <pleasehelp> it says the same error
[08:07] <AAA>  xalei is it a chroot environment? can get optup from ps?
[08:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> pleasehelp: how did you create your liveusb?
[08:07] <jason_> I am having a bit of trouble with a new secondary HDD. I formatted the drive to ext4 and am trying to store some files on it but when ever I try to write to the disk it give me an error of Permission Denied. Could someone please help me figure this out?
[08:07] <xalei> AAA, what's optup from ps?
[08:08] <stacky1> tadpole: thnx :)
[08:08] <Ben64> jason_: you need to give yourself permission with chown
[08:08] <AAA> xalei: output. other than your user
[08:08] <jason_> Ben64, will I have to do that every time it mounts?
[08:08] <Ben64> jason_: no
[08:09] <ProfFalken> morning all, I've got a problem with my laptop display after trying to free up space in /boot
[08:09] <xalei> don't think so AAA
[08:09] <ProfFalken> I'm running Quantal with 3.5.0-26 kernel
[08:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> calling it a night, later fellas
[08:09] <michaela_> is there anything like cdma workshop for linux
[08:09] <ProfFalken> but I can't modprobe i915 and I can't seem to change my laptop from any other res than 1024x768
[08:09] <ProfFalken> can anyone help?
[08:09] <peawormsworth> is there an minimal install for raring 13.04 similar to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[08:10] <Ben64> peawormsworth: 13.04 support in #ubuntu+1
[08:10] <xalei> AAA guest session works xD
[08:10] <ProfFalken> oh, btw, xrandr says "Failed to get size of gamma for output default" when I run it and LVDS doesn't exist as a valid display option
[08:11] <peawormsworth> Ben64: thx.
[08:11] <ProfFalken> I've googled and googled but can't find anyone with this issue on a recent install of Ubuntu, it seems to be a "natty" thing and those fixes don't work here... :(
[08:11] <ProfFalken> laptop is an Acer Aspire S3
[08:11] <jason_> Ben64, another thing I am curious about. I want the drive to mount automatically because it is where I store all my media files for my local streaming media(movies and such) It would be a pain to ahve to mount it every time I have to restart the pc. I tried MountManager to set this to happen but it seems to have no effect. Amy i going to have to edit my fstab directly for this, you think?
[08:12] <Ben64> ProfFalken: you said it happened after trying to free up space in /boot, so maybe you removed something you shouldn't have?
[08:12] <Ben64> jason_: fstab is easy to do
[08:12] <reindeer> Q: Im new to backports, so is it really possible to install latest ffmpeg v1.2 to ubuntu 11.10, by using this "backport" process? Is there a list of where to see what programs can be "backported"? Thx for any help or links!
[08:12] <jnhghy> KeyboardNotFound: I read the FIlePermission help-page, but mcedit creates my files with -rw-rw-r--, using umask I can restrict permissions, I can't give permissions, I can run chmod after the file is created but I don't want to have the user use chmod (not a linux person) is there a way to run mcedit to create files with drwxrwxr-x permission ?
[08:12] <AAA> I'm pretty aure you just need to update your DNS records.  but then again,  we need to have jobs'
[08:12] <jason_> fantastic. Thank you Ben64
[08:13] <ProfFalken> Ben64: yeah, I did, I removed the initrd file for the current kernel
[08:13] <ProfFalken> I've re-created that now using a rescue disk
[08:13] <Ben64> ProfFalken: well... don't do that :|
[08:13] <ProfFalken> and I've re-installed all the other drivers
[08:13] <ronnie> hello?
[08:13] <ProfFalken> Ben64: ...
[08:14] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: open folder in terminal and type: ls --all, copy there line with file created with mcedit
[08:14] <jason_> Hello, ronnie
[08:14] <ronnie> whats up
[08:14] <ProfFalken> the xserver-xorg-video-intel package is installed, and I've even gone back to a previous kernel, remvoed the "latest" and re-installed it
[08:14] <Ben64> ProfFalken: you can use something like bleachbit to remove stuff in a safer manner
[08:14] <ProfFalken> but still no joy
[08:14] <michaela_> hello everyone i was wondering is there anything like cdma workshop for linux
[08:14] <ProfFalken> ok, thanks, I'll remember that in future
[08:14] <jason_> For me, everything above 5 foot 10 inches. And your self?
[08:15] <ProfFalken> do you have any idea how I can solve the issue I currently have?
[08:15] <jnhghy> KeyboardNotFound: I cd to the folder I did ls --all , but I haven't understand what I need to copy ... sorry and thanks for the help
[08:15] <Ben64> ProfFalken: not sure exactly what you did and i don't have an intel system i could test it on, so ... don't know
[08:16] <ProfFalken> Ben64: thanks.
[08:16] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: copy the line where's file created with mcedit
[08:16] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: copy the line where's listen shown file created with mcedit
[08:17] <ronnie> anyone no how to get itunes to fully work cuz if i can get it working ill fully switch to linux
[08:17] <auronandace> !itunes | ronnie
[08:17] <KeyboardNotFound> !players > KeyboardNotFound
[08:18] <KeyboardNotFound> jnhghy: why not chmod with root(account ) ?
[08:19] <iceroot> ronnie: you cant use itunes on GNU/Linux. There are other programs to sync the iJail-Devices
[08:19] <trusupha> has 3rd party iOS sync support caught up with iOS 5 or 6 or whatever the current version is? a year or so ago I tried helping someone with that but their device was too new
[08:19] <iceroot> trusupha: offtopic here
[08:19] <trusupha> fair enough
[08:20] <KeyboardNotFound> !jar > KeyboardNotFound
[08:20] <KeyboardNotFound> !java > KeyboardNotFound
[08:20] <Ben64> KeyboardNotFound: if you want to see bot triggers, do it in PM with ubottu
[08:21] <reindeer> Q: Im new to backports, so is it really possible to install latest ffmpeg v1.2 to ubuntu 11.10, by using this "backport" process? Is there a list of where to see what programs can be "backported"? Thx for any help or links!
[08:21] <ronnie> ive tryed the alternatives and they suck compaired to itunes so imma keep windows on my laptop with ubuntu
[08:21] <trusupha> reindeer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal-backports/
[08:22] <trusupha> or whatever LTS you're using
[08:22] <trusupha> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric-backports/
[08:22] <iceroot> ronnie: the one which suck is apple and there non-free itunes stuff
[08:22] <reindeer> ok, thx trusupha, will see
[08:22] <iceroot> ronnie: if you want itunes, use windows or os x
[08:23] <dreki> ronnie: blame apple for that
[08:24] <AAA> I was just trying to straighten out this gayporn...
[08:24] <jason_> will itunes not work in PlayOnLinux?
[08:24] <iceroot> jason_: no
[08:24] <Yarkada> Hello, anybody could help me please.
[08:24] <michaela_> dose anyone know is there something like cdma workshop for linux because if there is that would be dope
[08:25] <iceroot> jason_: and i hope noone will work on wine or something else to make itunes working on GNU/Linux
[08:25] <Yarkada> In Ubuntu is there a way t run a Program like VMWare
[08:25] <iceroot> Yarkada: sure, just install vmware
[08:25] <trusupha> Well there's VMWare for Linux.
[08:25] <iceroot> !vmware | Yarkada
[08:25] <Yarkada> thank you
[08:25] <jason_> iceroot, well dang. Lol sorry ronnie - Use Amarok or something
[08:26] <AAA> michaela_: you want a fw that blocks all? and logs the rest?  research iptable jump reject
[08:26] <iceroot> jason_: ronnie just dont use apple products if you want the freedom to use a device like you want. its that easy
[08:27] <jason_> iceroot, I don't I was just thinking for ronnie's sake. I despise Apple
[08:27] <AAA> iceroot: apple producst are not free
[08:27] <iceroot> AAA: as i said
[08:28] <reindeer> trusupha, i just checked that at least in my lucid-backports i have the same version of inkscape 0.48.2 installed that is available there, so does that mean im allready using backports?
[08:28] <ronnie> i only li9ke the iphone and ipod everything else apple sucks and so does droid
[08:28] <jason_> AAA that was iceroot's point
[08:28] <AAA> iceroot: I see
[08:28] <jason_> kind of, partially
[08:28] <Ben64> ronnie: so you only like apple's main products, heh
[08:29] <ronnie> just ipod iphone and ipad
[08:29] <trusupha> reindeer: probably, yes. Either that or you're using oneiric's or newer
[08:29] <ronnie> i wish ubuntu had a phone out
[08:29] <trusupha> Lucid's version otherwise is 0.47: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/inkscape
[08:30] <histo> !phone | ronnie
[08:30] <AAA> ok. good. so the problem is gond
[08:30] <reindeer> i see
[08:30] <AAA> or is error.log blow'n up
[08:30] <trueneu_> Hi. I need to check what shared memory segments a process is attached to, but I can`t find 'sysvipc' dir under procfs/$PID, Ubuntu 12.04. Is that possible at all?
[08:31] <trusupha> ronnie: Apple very specifically attempts to prevent people from interoperating with their products. I realize that this is sort of what people are saying with "not free", but they're a bit more specifically hostile than that makes it sound.
[08:31] <trusupha> [well, OS X is probably interoperable enough. but iOS]
[08:31] <michaela_> im sorry AAA im a noob could u send me a link
[08:33] <AAA> michaela_: your bes bet is to start with ls. and echo $EN
[08:34] <reindeer> trusupha, so as im new to this backporting, is it actually possible to backport the latest ffmpeg in to my 11.10 system? And what is the difference between just building ffmpeg from source? Is the problem of building from source, the linking of all afterwards?
[08:34] <auronandace> reindeer: 11.10 support ends next month
[08:35] <reindeer> i know :D
[08:35] <reindeer> living on the edge
[08:35] <trusupha> Building ffmpeg vs getting a package is just that.
[08:35] <trusupha> If you're building it yourself, it's not really a "backport" in the specific ubuntu repository sense
[08:35] <michaela_> AAA im not sure you know what im asking for exactly
[08:36] <reindeer> trusupha, ok good you confirmed and i was on the right track
[08:36] <trusupha> So, yes, though I've only compiled libav myself and not ffmpeg, if they're similar enough it's presumably possible to compile on 11.10
[08:36] <michaela_> im looking for a software that deals with cdma phone providers and being able to flash phones
[08:37] <AAA> trusupha: ffmpeg really gets my goat. they change very slight options that bust all the porn trade scr4ipt
[08:38] <michaela_> cdma workshop is software that lets you do that
[08:38] <trusupha> People re-encode their porn?
[08:38] <AAA> ffmpeg vs mencoder is bigger than vi?m vs emacs and the thrilla in manilla
[08:38] <AAA> and fuck MP4Box
[08:38] <IdleOne> !language | AAA
[08:38] <AAA> ok, sorry about the french
[08:39] <jason_> Ok, trying to chown a secondary HD and inputting this to terminal has no effect but also gives no errors: sudo chown jason:jason /dev/sdb1   what am I doing wrong here?
[08:39] <jason_> I need a chown that will stick for good or until I change it if I ever need to
[08:39] <somsip> jason_: mount it first
[08:39] <trusupha> AAA: I know libav people were willing to change stuff too. Kind of surprising in that regard.
[08:39] <dr_willis> jason_:  what filesystem is the drive using for sdb1?
[08:40] <jason_> somsip, I believe I have it mouonted when I run that command. let me double check though
[08:40] <reindeer> trusupha: i guess ill just install 12.04LTS and start from there..
[08:40] <jason_> dr_willis, ext4
[08:40] <dr_willis> jason_:  you chown/chmod the mountpoint and files on the fs under the mountpoint.. NOT the /dev/sdXX device
[08:41] <AAA> trusupha: sounds like you know. the internet was build on the backbone of porn and video games. and so it still works
[08:41] <trusupha> reindeer: probably a better idea than sinking any more time into 11.10.
[08:41] <somsip> jason_: just what dr_willis said...
[08:41] <jason_> dr_willis, ok
[08:42] <jason_> somsip, right
[08:42] <IdleOne> Can we please stop with the porn references. It doesn't make you any cooler.
[08:42] <histo> jason_: mount   will show you where it's mounted.  then you can chown the mountpoint
[08:42] <reindeer> trusupha: its kinda sad how it just gets forgotten, but maybe ill do distr-upgrade, so i dont need to "format", dunno how well that will go though..
[08:43] <jason_> dr_willis, so it would be sudo chown jason:jason /media/jason/DriveName
[08:43] <dr_willis> jason_:  somthing like that
[08:43] <jason_> That is the location according to mount
[08:44] <jason_> I will try that
[08:44] <jason_> Thanks
[08:44] <lalondong> how can i check my phpmyadmin password in lamp ?
[08:44] <reindeer> trusupha: any exp on distr-upgrades..
[08:44] <trusupha> reindeer: just speaking for myself, I've had good success with in-place dist-upgrades.
[08:44] <trusupha> Not sure I've had one fail on me actually.
[08:44] <reindeer> trusupha: ok thanks for the guarantee! :)
[08:44] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[08:45] <jason_> dr_willis, Hey! it worked. thanks for that.
[08:45] <AAA> island219: by default, any user with a localhost@ grant can access phpMyAadmin with that URL
[08:47] <AAA> island219: phpMyAadmin is a bad way to go. ssh/cli mysql is prefeer
[08:47] <AAA> ered
[08:50] <reindeer> trusupha: im running ubuntu with KDE and all Unity/Gnome stuff suppressed, you think i will be in for some more trouble? :-/
[08:50] <reindeer> meaning i have KDE, but not Unity/Ubuntu stuff
[08:50] <dr_willis> reindeer:  whhat are you tryin to  do exactly?
[08:50] <AAA> island219: I'm fucking drunk (and now bandedededededededed) but, you need to carefully condider if you want your data publicly exposed. shit. maybe you don't care......
[08:50] <reindeer> get the latest ffmpeg! :)
[08:51] <michaela_> hello dose anyone know about android phones
[08:52] <TakeItEZ> michaela_: guys in #android do
[08:52] <reindeer> dr_willis: yes really to get the latest ffmpeg, but seems i need to upgrade to 12.04LTS anyway so thats what ill do too
[08:52] <dr_willis> reindeer:  so what does that have to do with kde/unity/ubuntu stuff?  look for a ppa. or use source if you need newer then whats in the repos. is the normal way
[08:52] <dr_willis> 12.04 wont have the newest.   but a ppa for it might
[08:54] <reindeer> dr_willis: thanks for the info, so from ppa i could build the latest and it should work without the pain of linking stuff manually as could be the way when doing it from source?
[08:55] <michaela_> dose any one know if theres an alternative to cdma workshop for linux
[08:55] <dr_willis> linking stuff manually?  ive seen build scripts tools for compiling ffmpeg i belive. but if its in the repos you shouldent have to much compiling from source on any release. unless theres a lot of other new libs it needs as well
[08:55] <kris-away> How do I move the launcher bar? I'd rather have it on the bottom
[08:55] <dr_willis> kris-away:  you dont. ;)
[08:55] <kris-away> THere must be a way...
[08:56] <dr_willis> if you want a bottom dock. theres other docks you can use
[08:56] <dreki> use not unity
[08:56] <dr_willis> used to be some unity hacks that moved it to the bottom.. but they were crashy.. and not supported.. and may not even exist any more
[08:56] <dr_willis> shrink the unity panel as small as you can and use a dock. is common;ly done by people
[08:57] <kris-away> When I maximize a window I exxentially have two bars at the top... who the hell designed this
[08:57] <reindeer> michaela_: Seems that the cdma workshop runs even on W95, so maybe install WINE and run it through that?
[08:57] <dreki> Or you could try installing not-unity
[08:58] <dr_willis> kris-away:  rant else where.. if you want a differnt desktop theres several in the repos you can use.. try lubuntu perhaps.
[08:58] <michaela_> cool thanks reindeer ill try it
[08:59] <kris-away> I'm just asking... so you can't change the top or side bars?
[08:59] <dr_willis> kris-away:  not really
[08:59] <dr_willis> you can do some minor tweaks
[09:00] <histo> !notunity | kris-away
[09:00] <histo> kris-away: also if you run something like dockey in place of the launcher bar
[09:01] <kris-away> useful bot... kinda funny it'd have that entry
[09:01] <dr_willis> You can run a differnt desktop - or  try to build your own custom design with compiz and various docks.
[09:02] <kris-away> my irc window jsut froze in place... the program works but it refusts to min/max/move... strange
[09:02] <dr_willis> more like compiz crashed..
[09:02] <histo> kris-away: you can teach the bot so you can add entries if ops approve
[09:03] <dr_willis> if your titlebar/decoration vanished - those are controleld by the window manager. which is compiz by default on ubuntu
[09:03] <lalondong> lalondong
[09:03] <kris-away> All of my other windows work, I think Qt crapped because it's the only Qt app running, Qassel, my irc client
[09:04] <kris-away> What's the keyboard shortcut to minimize windows?
[09:05] <reindeer> michaela_: To see how to install wine, check out youtube for some tutorial "install wine ubuntu". After installing you shold be able to start & install basic windows programs simply by clicking. Of course if this cdma program uses serial/sub port communications, those could need some extra work to make them work and could be problematic.
[09:05] <dr_willis> if you press and hold the super key - it should display a list of shortcuts..
[09:05] <kris-away> Oh wow, if you set the bar to auto hide when you maximize windows they'll actually maximize and not have a double-bar at the top
[09:06] <reindeer> serial/usb
[09:06] <kris-away> I don't have a super key... IBM Model M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard
[09:06] <dr_willis> kris-away:  i got about 5 of those in a closet
[09:06] <ConGiun> hello guys :d
[09:07] <michaela_> thaks
[09:07] <Tex_Nick> kris-away:  this is probably more than you asked for but it's shortcut list ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts ... ;-)
[09:08] <kris-away> Tex_Nick: Gonna bookmark that nontheless :)
[09:10] <reindeer> dr_willis: i mentioned the kde/unity stuff because i was wondering if my system could brake more easily when doing ditr-upgrade, because i have all the unity/gnome stuff suppressed and "removed" away..
[09:12] <dr_willis> reindeer:  you mean to use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ? you normally dont use that to upgrade to a new release. you use the upgrade tools.
[09:13] <reindeer> oh..?
[09:13] <dr_willis> this why i mentioned the  !upgrade factoid earlier
[09:13] <dr_willis> you use the do-release-upgrade tool i belive
[09:14] <reindeer> ok, im acually just reading about the upgrade process
[09:14] <dr_willis> i tend to do clean installs.
[09:15] <reindeer> same here
[09:20] <lalondong> how to remove lamp ?
[09:21] <dr_willis> !lamp
[09:21] <dr_willis> remove the parts you installed perhaps?  be carefull using tasksel to remove things
[09:21] <quick-> hi Do we have any alternative to sa in ubuntu http://linux.die.net/man/8/sa ?
[09:22] <aeroz> ubuntu 12.04 LTS alternative install doesn't have RAID options in the manual partition area??? =\
[09:23] <quick-> !sa
[09:24] <aeroz> damn, no one online? :(
[09:24] <dr_willis> i dont use raid
[09:24] <dr_willis> !raid
[09:24] <TakeItEZ> !info acct | quick-
[09:25] <Tex_Nick> aeroz : about 1700 people here ;-)
[09:25] <Anickyan> Hello
[09:25] <Johnny_Appleseed> Hi
[09:25] <Anickyan> I am installing Ubuntu 12.04 on my friend's PC. It installed correctly.
[09:25] <aeroz> hai :D
[09:26] <Anickyan> But, the computer just boots into Windows 7 immediately, without any options or anything
[09:26] <aeroz> thanks dr_willis ... tho i'm looking to setup a raid0 on install :D
[09:26] <quick-> TakeItEZ:  Thanks :)
[09:26] <dbugger> Hi guys. Can someone please tell me how can I hide the time indicator in the terminal, next to the prompt?
[09:27] <Ben64> dbugger: there isn't one normally
[09:27] <Anickyan> dbugger: I don't see one.
[09:27] <Anickyan> I haven't done any settings.
[09:27] <aeroz> has anyone here setup a raid under ubuntu 12.04 ?
[09:27] <dbugger> mmmm, I have the time next to my prompt like this: [10:25:45] ...
[09:28] <dbugger> No idea how it got there, but I want to take it out
[09:28] <aeroz> dbugger man i WISH i had that!
[09:28] <one> how do i remove all packages except ones specified?
[09:28] <aeroz> dbugger it's probably in your .bashrc file
[09:28] <dbugger> :D
[09:28] <dbugger> Where is that file aeroz ?
[09:29] <Tex_Nick> dbugger:  this is a good read ... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ ... :-)
[09:29] <dbugger> aeroz, http://paste.laravel.com/l3g
[09:29] <dbugger> this is my bashrc
[09:30] <dbugger> is it the last line?
[09:30] <Anickyan> Can someone help me? I think GRUB2 is placed somewhere wrong. It worked perfectly on my computer, but not on my friends.
[09:30] <dr_willis> dbugger:  a read of the 'bash prompt howto' at tldp.org will show all sorts of neat bash prompt tricks
[09:30] <aeroz> dbugger yup it's the last line
[09:30] <aeroz> just comment that last line and you're good
[09:30] <aeroz> and yay now i can do that :D
[09:30] <dbugger> aeroz, now you can have timet oo ;)
[09:31] <aeroz> yay
[09:31] <Ben64> looks like they were added by enrique
[09:31] <pecc> System clock is set to update from Net but it doesn't do it. I don't have a CMOS for the time being (nutshell version: laptop spontaneously set itself on fire) and Google refuses to serve me because of the un-updating system clock. Whether the connection is wireless or wired has no effect.
[09:31]  * dr_willis wonders who enrique is...
[09:31] <dr_willis> ;)
[09:31] <dbugger> aeroz, just commenting it wont do. Do I have to restart some service?
[09:31] <Ben64> dbugger: it will do
[09:31] <dr_willis> dbugger:  log out/back in - or start a new shwll
[09:31] <dr_willis> shell
[09:31] <dbugger> I see
[09:31] <kris-away> Soo when I run a wine thing maximixed it double-bars... anyone know a smarter workaoruidn than having wine run in virtual desktop at my screen res and filling it out?
[09:32] <dr_willis> its just a system variable getting set dbugger
[09:32] <dr_willis> kris-away:  what wine thing?
[09:32] <Ben64> dr_willis: i'm thinking that an application in wine has its own menubar instead of using the global menubar from unity
[09:33] <dbugger> aeroz, great. It works :)
[09:33] <dr_willis> Ben64:  sounds about right.
[09:33] <dbugger> Ben64, they were probably added by my sysadmin
[09:33] <ratzeputz> hi folks ... is anyone familiar with the ubuntu one music cloud and uploading own mp3´s into it?
[09:33] <dbugger> dr_willis, why you wonder? :D
[09:34] <dr_willis> dbugger:  someone changed your .bashrc and you dont know who did it?
[09:34] <dbugger> dr_willis, well, when my sysadmin comes in my computer, and starts fiddling with the terminal, I can barely keep up with his movements. He#s like a ninja. :D
[09:35] <dbugger> Half the time I have no idea what he is doing :D
[09:35] <dbugger> Its one of these guys who can see the Matrix
[09:35] <dr_willis> err.  time to smack him upside the head and tell him to leave your personal files alone.
[09:37] <aeroz> man
[09:37] <aeroz> ;(
[09:38] <aeroz> i wish network install was WAY easier with ubuntu
[09:40] <michaela_> how do i flash my android phone to metro pcs on linux
[09:40] <dr_willis> metro pc?
[09:41] <Ben64> different cell carrier, not really an ubuntu issue at all
[09:41] <dr_willis> thats what i was wondering also.. ;)
[09:41] <DJones> michaela_: I think there is an ##android or maybe #android channel channel that would be better to help with that
[09:41] <dr_willis> dident think you really unlocked phones yourself much these days anymore
[09:42] <darkmutt> hello ubuntu any idea if there was an update of mouse drivers last few days or so? my mouse scroll suddenly started working when m$ didn't manage to do that
[09:42] <Ben64> well its illegal now too
[09:42] <TakeItEZ> Ben64: in usa, not everywhere
[09:42] <DJones> Ben64: Depends on which country you're in :)
[09:42] <Ben64> anywhere with metropcs :|
[09:42] <dr_willis> i belive its being challanged also.. but i dont keep up with the topic any more
[09:47] <aeroz> so basically.. it's legal status depends on which country parents you the most?
[09:48] <Mrokii> Hi. I have tried to run the Gnome Activity Journal and it doesn't start, ultimately giving me the error "glib.GError: No D-BUS daemon running". How can I solve that?
[09:50] <Capprentice> Hey anyone using "Eidete Screencaster" on ubuntu 12.04 ? This seems have more functionality than any other screencaster. Im unable to record any video using it !
[09:51] <Capprentice> any suggestion ?!!
[09:51] <histo> Capprentice: something wrong wit gtk-recordmydesktop ???
[09:52] <peawormsworth> Capprentice: "no video using it" ... sounds more functional then any other.
[09:52] <Capprentice> No. Im more ineterested in this one, histo
[09:53] <tirnakli> hi, I have a black screen problem when I boot the system with  3.5.0-26-generic or 3.5.0-25-generic options. can anybody help me on this ?
[09:54] <Tex_Nick> !details | Capprentice
[09:56] <n8w> what backend for nagios service configuretion would u recommend me?
[09:56] <Capprentice> Ok Im on Ubuntu 12.04 x86 LTS. I can start screen casting using Eidete but when I clickm finish it give me two options, one is compress it as tar, rar etc and other is upload to a site videobin.org. When I try saving it , this gives a 300 bytes webm file which never plays !
[09:58] <DJones> Capprentice: I've not used the software so can't really help, just wondered what happens if you compress it as a rar and then save that file & extract that
[09:58] <Capprentice> DJones,  it creates a 10.2 kb file, which contains the 300 bytes webm file.
[09:58] <Capprentice> I mean 102 kb archive
[09:58] <Capprentice> 10.2
[09:59] <DJones> Capprentice: Right, thats not much use
[10:00] <Capprentice> Yes. Im not sure why Im unable to run this. Eidete is made for elementary desktop. If I have to run a elementary specific app what dependencies I need to pull ?
[10:00] <one> hey there
[10:00] <one> I am trying to optimize my system how may I strip it all down to a base commandline system?
[10:01] <DJones> Capprentice: I'd be tempted to ask in the elementary channel to see if they can help, maybe there's something they can suggest
[10:01] <Capprentice> what is the elementary channel ? #elementary ?
[10:01] <DJones> I think so
[10:02] <Capprentice> ok.
[10:02] <DJones> At least alis shows that as the elementary support channel
[10:03] <TakeItEZ> one easier to use the mini.iso and install a minimal-system than to strip down a full blown desktop-inst
[10:06] <you-tee-f> using upstart is there a way to make a job that is start on every connection to my session ?
[10:06] <lolar> startx
[10:06] <you-tee-f> i've experienced with 'start on startup'
[10:06] <you-tee-f> and works fine
[10:06] <you-tee-f> but i want to test without rebooting
[10:07] <you-tee-f> just closing and opening session
[10:08] <GentSir> you-tee-f, check out crontab. Save the action you want to run as a bash script, put in crontab entry to have it run at startup. If you want to manually test it, just run the script directly from the terminal.
[10:08] <one> TakeItEZ: I dont trust downloading it I already have the desktop installed and the cd
[10:08] <Guest74536> hi everyone
[10:08] <GentSir> you-tee-f, You can use any programming/scripting language you want, but bash is usually fine
[10:09] <somsip> one: I second what TakeItEZ says - much easier to start from minimal than get rid of everything...
[10:09] <Guest74536> can anyone help how to register a nick name here
[10:09] <somsip> !register | Guest74536
[10:09] <ikonia> !register | Guest74536
[10:09] <one> TakeItEZ: do you think I may set the minimum packages to hold then do apt-get remove *
[10:09] <ikonia> Guest74536: also the team in #freenode channel will help
[10:09] <Guest74536> thanks
[10:09] <Guest74536> let me register first then will come back
[10:12] <TakeItEZ> one: try it, idk if it works
[10:13] <one> TakeItEZ: do you know if there are package groups like fedora has?
[10:13] <one> This way I could just hold the minimal or base
[10:13] <TakeItEZ> one: using tasksel there are groups
[10:14] <TakeItEZ> one: sry i never have stripped down a systme like that. i always use ... debian businesscard-iso if i  need a system
[10:14] <you-tee-f> GentSir: thanks
[10:14] <TakeItEZ> (except this 12.10 ubuntu)
[10:14] <GentSir> you-tee-f, anytime mate, ask me if you need any help
[10:15] <Ben64> one: ubuntu really isn't suited for a tiny install, the smallest is about 1GB
[10:15] <kgalahassa> how to install unity-lens-vm:i386
[10:15] <kgalahassa> how to install unity-lens-vm:i386
[10:15] <kgalahassa> on ubuntu12.O4
[10:16] <kgalahassa> how to install unity-lens-vm:i386 on ubuntu12.O4
[10:16] <somsip> !patience | kgalahassa
[10:17] <one> Looks like there is an ubuntu-minimal virtual package
[10:18] <ikonia> one what do you actually wnat ?
[10:18] <ikonia> want
[10:21] <_mak> any one knows how to use virsh migrate? I'm having problems trying to migrate a vm...