[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <barry> hello everybody and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <bigjools> me
[15:00] <intellectronica> mö
[15:01] <bac> me
[15:01] <salgado> me
[15:02] <mars> me
[15:02] <barry> wow, light attendance today <wink>
[15:02] <flacoste> me
[15:03] <barry> allenap, BjornT, EdwinGrubbs, gmb, rockstar ping
[15:03] <allenap> me
[15:03] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:04] <gmb> me
[15:04] <barry> danilos: ping
[15:04] <bac> abel?
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:05] <adeuring> me
[15:05] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:05] <barry>  * Graduations
[15:05] <barry>  * Is OCR still relevant in a world with merge proposals? (barry)
[15:05] <barry>  * Sabbaticals? (barry)
[15:05] <barry>  * Do we need a standard cover letter template for merge proposals? (barry)
[15:05] <barry>    * https://pastebin.canonical.com/11767/
[15:05] <barry>  * If there's time, the old boring script
[15:05] <barry>    * Next meeting
[15:05] <barry>    * Action items
[15:05] <barry>    * Mentoring update
[15:05] <barry>    * Queue status
[15:05] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Graduations
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Graduations
[15:05] <barry> so bac recommends graduation for rockstar, but since he blew us off today... :)
[15:05] <sinzui> me
[15:06] <barry> naw.  so rockstar graduates.  congratulations rockstar-in-abstentia
[15:06] <intellectronica> go rockstar!
[15:06] <bac> whoo!
[15:07] <flacoste> yeah
[15:07] <flacoste> it should be a rule
[15:07] <bac> rockstar's reviews have been very attentive and he asks lots of good questions.  he's ready to be graduated.
[15:07] <flacoste> if you miss the reviewer meeting of your graduation
[15:07] <flacoste> you get to be on probation for one more month :-)
[15:07] <bac> he needs to work on his attendance, though!
[15:07] <flacoste> that might seems unfair for the mentor
[15:08] <bac> flacoste: i'm ok with another month of probation if you'll pick up the mentoring
[15:08] <flacoste> but mentoring is also about instigating reliability in the mentee :-p
[15:08] <barry> flacoste: right!  or we can just publicly mock him relentlessly at his graduation announcement
[15:08] <flacoste> barry: that's probably funnier
[15:08] <barry> let the mocking begin
[15:08] <danilos> me
[15:09] <danilos> late but still me
[15:09] <intellectronica> maybe he should attend meetings even on days when we don't, for a month
[15:09]  * barry thinks he should /run/ the meetings (including asiapac) for a month
[15:10] <barry> moving on, but don't let that stop you if you come up with a good zinger...
[15:10] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Is OCR still relevant in a world with merge proposals? (barry)
[15:10] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Is OCR still relevant in a world with merge proposals? (barry)
[15:11] <barry> so, i've had a few people mention that ocr seems "weird" now that we have merge-proposals.  so i'll open the floor to discussion: do we want to keep ocr now and if so, in its current form or change it?
[15:11] <bigjools> weird, how?
[15:11] <barry> in that it's less about getting a review RIGHT NOW than it is spending time popping things off the top of the queue
[15:11] <intellectronica> i don't see how it's weird. you still want to encourage high velocity, and you still need some mechanism for allocation of reviews
[15:11] <sinzui> I say yes, they are relevant. I know who will be taking the review. I have someone I can discuss the matter with *before* the merge proposal it made
[15:12] <gmb> I agree with... well, all of the above.
[15:12] <bigjools> OCR is still very relevant for velocity
[15:12] <gmb> barry: Otherwise MP just becomes the new PR.
[15:12] <mars> gmb, agreed
[15:12] <allenap> It encourages people to *seek* a review rather than letting branches sit around.
[15:12] <bigjools> without it we'd go back to the days of 2+ days reviews, chasing reviewers and getting frustrated
[15:13] <bigjools> and who would allocate?
[15:13] <bac> i do see people creating MPs but then not showing up to ask for OC reviews.  so i tend to pop things off the MP stack and then hope they are around for questions.
[15:13]  * mars didn't know there was a MP stack
[15:13] <intellectronica> bac: that shouldn't happen. it's a coder's responsibility to make sure that they're branch gets reviewed
[15:13]  * bac wishes there were a real stack instead of an unordered list
[15:13] <gmb> I sometimes create an MP so that I can make sure I ask for a review *tomorrow*, but I don't expect someone to JFDI if I don't ask.
[15:14] <bac> just like when using PR if no one asks for an OCR we would pull things off the general queue.  same, same.
[15:15] <barry> btw, i'm not saying /i/ think we should get rid of ocr.  i'm just bringing up some things i've heard so we have a chance to discuss them
[15:15] <barry> okay, so does anybody disagree with keeping ocr the way we have it now?
[15:16] <barry> 5
[15:16] <intellectronica> bac: yes, but that should be the exeception. the review process is so much more powerful when you can chat about it in real time
[15:16] <barry> 4
[15:16] <barry> 3
[15:16] <barry> 2
[15:16] <bac> intellectronica: agreed.  just sharing what often happens on tuesdays
[15:16] <barry> 1
[15:16] <barry> cool, thanks
[15:16] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Sabbaticals? (barry)
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Sabbaticals? (barry)
[15:17] <mars> +1 for sabbaticals
[15:17] <barry> on a related note, there's been some requests for sabbaticals and/or half day review slots.  we have pretty good coverage for euro and america these days, so perhaps we could institute some kind of rotation
[15:17] <mars> everyone needs a break from routine once in a while
[15:17] <barry> thoughts?
[15:17] <bac> i think i originally introduced the idea then promptly forgot about it.
[15:18] <intellectronica> i was thinking about it a bit since i made the request
[15:18] <bac> i think it's a good idea so reviewers don't get burned out.
[15:18] <gmb> +1
[15:18] <sinzui> I recall the backlogs we have when foundations or registry team are sprinting.
[15:18] <intellectronica> i think that regulating this too much will not work well, because reviewers know best when they really need a break
[15:18] <intellectronica> perhaps instead, each reviewer should have an allowance
[15:18] <sinzui> Sabbaticals are fine so long as someone is sill available to do the reviews.
[15:18] <intellectronica> much like leave days from work
[15:18] <mars> sinzui, right
[15:18] <gmb> sinzui: But we have some overlap now. Those backlogs occurred because foundations/registry were splinting and we didn't do anything to deal with the hole.
[15:19] <bigjools> sinzui: +1 sensible
[15:19] <gmb> splinting?
[15:19] <gmb> Whatevr.
[15:19] <intellectronica> sinzui: i don't think that's a problem these days. we have many reviewers
[15:19] <intellectronica> gmb: you're turning japanese?
[15:19] <barry> intellectronica: except in exceptional circumstances perhaps, but we can deal with those
[15:19] <gmb> intellectronica: Appalentry so.
[15:20]  * gmb wonders who we should offend at next week's meeting
[15:20] <bac> i suspect if we have the concept of sabbaticals they will rarely be used.  but it's good to know there is a socially-approved mechanism for declaring you need a break.
[15:20] <barry> so, not counting mentats, we have 2 more reviewers than we have ocr slots, so there is room for breaks
[15:20] <sinzui> intellectronica: correct, yet if all the sabbatical takers abandon Wednesday, there is a problem. I am suggesting the we need to move who is working the slots now that we can afford to give reviewers a break from reviewing
[15:20] <intellectronica> what if every reviewer had, say, 10 leave shifts a year, which they are responsible to coordinate, make sure someone is there to replace them, etc?
[15:21] <gmb> sinzui: We need floating reviewers.
[15:21] <intellectronica> sinzui: yes, just like normal leave. you don't allow everyone to take time off at the same time. you coordinate
[15:21] <barry> gmb: i don't mind floating (i think :)
[15:21] <gmb> barry: Likewise, once al-maisan has graduated.
[15:22] <bac> sounds too formal for me.  i'd prefer people just announce they need a month off, whatever, and barry busts anyone that seems to be abusive.
[15:22] <barry> how long should a sabbatical be?  1 week, 1 cycle, up to the reviewer?
[15:22] <barry> gmb: cool
[15:22] <bigjools> we're all consenting adults - please, leave it to common sense
[15:22] <intellectronica> i think that 2-8 weeks
[15:22] <bigjools> don;t wrap it up in more red tape
[15:22] <bac> bigjools: +1
[15:22] <barry> bac: i am all for more opportunities to wield my power
[15:22] <gmb> +1
[15:23] <intellectronica> +1. my suggestion was just because i didn't like the idea of organised rotation
[15:24] <bac> salgado takes a sabbatical from this discussion
[15:24] <barry> okay, sounds good.  so if you need a break, please come see me and i'll coordinate to make sure we have proper coverage. please be mindful that your teammates may also need breaks now and then
[15:24] <barry> okay, thanks everyone.  good discussion
[15:24] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Do we need a standard cover letter template for merge proposals? (barry)
[15:24] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Do we need a standard cover letter template for merge proposals? (barry)
[15:25] <barry> i've been using this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/11767/
[15:25] <intellectronica> everything that's standard, should be part of the form
[15:25] <barry> and experimenting with a == diff == section at the end so the whole thing is in one cover letter
[15:26] <barry> 1) do we want a standard form; 2) is this one a good start; 3) if so, what's missing?
[15:26] <adeuring> lint output?
[15:26] <bac> the bug *should* be redundant as the MP should be linked
[15:26] <flacoste> well
[15:26] <flacoste> bug report are often cryptic
[15:26] <flacoste> so having a summary of the issue at the top of the cover letter is usually good
[15:27] <barry> adeuring: lint output, good addition
[15:27] <flacoste> plus it's easier on the Thailand/Australia/NZ folks
[15:27] <flacoste> save a trip to Launchpad
[15:27] <gmb> flacoste: They chose to live on the wrong side of the internet.
[15:27] <gmb> Bugger 'em.
[15:28]  * gmb jokes, because thumper is bigger than he is
[15:28] <sinzui> I often have a == rules == section that defines the scope of the fix.
[15:28] <barry> flacoste: i agree.  i've found it's good to have a summary there
[15:28] <intellectronica> sinzui: what does "the scope of the fix" mean?
[15:29] <barry> sinzui: i think that's what my "proposed fix" section is for iiuc
[15:29] <bac> ok, ok, my point is we agreed earlier that we should use --fixes or another mechanism to link the bug.  i've been requesting it when not done.
[15:30] <barry> bac: yes, definitely --fixes is a good thing, but under the = Bug XXXXX = section, i usually put a summary of what the bug is about
[15:30] <intellectronica> right, and the scope of the fix should usually be the bug
[15:30] <bac> barry: yes, good idea.
[15:30] <barry> does anybody disagree that we should have a standard form?
[15:31] <sinzui> intellectronica: I write down what the crucial changes that need to happen. There are lots of other things that can complicate the fix, or introduce feature creep.
[15:31] <intellectronica> i agree, but i think that we should aim at making it part of launchpad itself, not some kind of template
[15:31] <intellectronica> sinzui: makes sense. that's something that is always good to have
[15:32] <barry> intellectronica: agreed, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good :)
[15:32] <bigjools> intellectronica: +1
[15:32] <bigjools> greasemonkey script? :)
[15:32] <intellectronica> huh?
[15:32] <sinzui> intellectronica: I started doing it to make myself focus on the fix. I kept doing it because I could point to that when the branch is a CP candidate.
[15:32] <barry> bigjools: api/bzr plugin? :)
[15:33] <barry> sinzui: also, i'm trying hard to start filliing out the template as soon as i start the branch, and not to wait until the mp is posted
[15:33] <gmb> barry: We could start by repurposing bzr write-cover-letter...
[15:33] <bigjools> barry: or that!
[15:33] <allenap> If this template is good it should go in the tree I think.
[15:34] <sinzui> barry: I have a macro that prompts me for it
[15:34] <barry> gmb: i'm thinking something like that
[15:34] <barry> sinzui: gedit macro?
[15:34] <sinzui> yes
[15:34] <barry> cool
[15:35] <barry> if there are no objections, i'll take this to the mailing list
[15:36] <barry> and if anybody wants to work on a plugin to use it, i'll help out
[15:36]  * gmb wishes he had time
[15:36] <bigjools> api support through lpreview would be awesome
[15:36] <barry> gmb: forced vacation is coming up :)
[15:36] <flacoste> gmb: time is left-brain illusion, you have it :-)
[15:37] <gmb> barry: Really? I thought it was UDS...
[15:37]  * bigjools concentrates hard like Hiro
[15:37] <barry> anyway, that's everything on my list.  does anybody have an item not on the agenda?
[15:38] <bigjools> barry: I did add something
[15:38] <bigjools> but it's not on your agenda here for some reason
[15:38]  * barry refreshes
[15:38] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Gotchas with new celebrities (Julian)
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Gotchas with new celebrities (Julian)
[15:38] <barry> bigjools: the floor is yours
[15:39] <bigjools> We had a problem in the week with an oops being generated because Celso added a new celebrity and some bugs code on edge was trying to iterate over them
[15:39] <bigjools> so it's just a heads up to say, if you add celebrities, remember to find a LOSA to patch the DB as well
[15:39] <bigjools> EOF
[15:40] <intellectronica> surely we can find a better way?...
[15:40] <intellectronica> i won't remember this
[15:40] <bigjools> don't iterate over celebs? :)
[15:40] <bigjools> why does it need to do that anyway?
[15:41] <intellectronica> either that, or test on startup?
[15:41] <gmb> bigjools: which file?
[15:41] <bigjools> gmb: I can't remember, let me take a look
[15:41] <gmb> ok
[15:41] <allenap> There's some code that checks if a bug tracker is a celebrity, in which case deletion is forbidden.
[15:41] <gmb> Hum.
[15:41] <allenap> It does it by iterating through all the celebs.
[15:42]  * rockstar mes
[15:42] <gmb> allenap: Let's discuss this outside the meeting
[15:42] <allenap> Yep.
[15:42] <sinzui> doesn't adding a celebrity require a DB patch? I had to do that when working with the janitor
[15:43] <gmb> sinzui: Not necessarily.
[15:43] <gmb> And usually, no.
[15:43] <flacoste> gmb: well kind oif
[15:43] <bigjools> sinzui: just a new row
[15:43] <flacoste> actually it does
[15:43] <gmb> sampledata change
[15:43] <flacoste> yeah, right
[15:43] <flacoste> but you should do that using a db patch
[15:43] <flacoste> so that it's applied automatically on roll-out
[15:43] <gmb> flacoste: Unless you're adding something as a celeb that already exists in prod.
[15:43] <flacoste> right
[15:44] <bigjools> gmb: OOPS-1063EC95
[15:44] <gmb> flacoste: Is that in our guidelines for adding a celebrity?
[15:44] <gmb> bigjools: Ta
[15:44] <flacoste> gmb: using a db patch?
[15:44] <barry> that makes sense then: if the celeb exists on prod, add sample data.  if not, db patch is necessary to add it in both places
[15:44] <gmb> flacoste: Yes
[15:44] <barry> does that make sense?
[15:44] <flacoste> i'm not even sure we have formalized guidlines on this
[15:45] <flacoste> but yes, barry's suggestion is sane
[15:45] <flacoste> and by using a db patch, your code won't run on edge
[15:45] <flacoste> until the DB has the celebrity
[15:45] <bigjools> hmmm that's kinda restrictive
[15:46] <flacoste> bigjools: well, that's the policy, there might be reason to do otherwise
[15:46] <barry> flacoste: i agree
[15:46] <flacoste> but in that case, you should know what you are doing
[15:46] <bigjools> okay
[15:46] <flacoste> and not trigger an OOPS on edge :-)
[15:46] <bigjools> I'm entirely innocent (this time)
[15:46] <bigjools> :)
[15:47] <flacoste> bigjools and innocence together, i can't believe it
[15:47] <barry> [ACTION] someone capture celeb addition policy in dev wiki, when the reviewer-tips have been moved from the old wiki
[15:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  someone capture celeb addition policy in dev wiki, when the reviewer-tips have been moved from the old wiki
[15:47] <flacoste> barry, that's an action that will never happen!
[15:47]  * bigjools considers kicking sand at flacoste at the TL sprint
[15:47] <barry> flacoste: indeed :)
[15:48] <barry> anyway, that's all the time we have today
[15:48] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:48] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:48.
[15:48] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:48] <intellectronica> thanks barry
[15:48] <bigjools> thanks barry
[15:48] <barry> see y'all back a the ranch
[15:48] <flacoste> bigjools: sand will be nice change from snow!
[15:50] <bigjools> flacoste: amen brother :)
[15:51] <bigjools> it's warm here today, we're 4C
[15:57] <flacoste> 0C here!
[15:58] <al-maisan> Hello there and sorry for being late
[15:58] <flacoste> with a dull grey sky
[15:58] <bigjools> ah well it was bright blue here but it's nearly dark now :)
[15:59] <flacoste> bright blue is nice!
[15:59] <flacoste> dull grey kills my productivity
[16:00] <bigjools> I hear ya
[16:01]  * gmb is waiting for the snow to come


[00:44] <M1L0> buenas
[23:44] <jose> @op
[23:44] <JoseBot> jose: Error: You don\'t have the #ubuntu-pe,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The \'whoami\' command can tell you if you\'re identified.
[23:45] <jose> @op


[00:03] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock
[00:05] <YaMoonSun> So this is default and I never realized because I wake up at obscene hours? Fair enough. Thanks for the link.
[00:25] <YaMoonSun> Why doesn't xfburn detect/burn .mp3 files?
[00:27] <ianorlin> !mp3
[00:30] <YaMoonSun> Cheers; Much love. Thanks for the support.
[00:50] <YaMoonSun> So I managed to get the .mp3s burned, but the disc isn't being detected by my cd player. Why so?
[00:56] <Mozybonz> Am I correct by lubuntu 12.04 is still suported for 5 yrs. In the way of kernel & security updates?
[00:57] <ianorlin> no lxde updates though
[00:57] <Mozybonz> K thnx
[00:58] <YaMoonSun> How do you check system info to see what version you're running as well as specs?
[13:30] <SexyGal> Can somebody help me with this printer problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/367867/hp-deskjet-1050a-does-not-print-or-scan-in-lubuntu
[13:33] <SexyGal> Can somebody help me with this printer problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/367867/hp-deskjet-1050a-does-not-print-or-scan-in-lubuntu
[22:17] <bobobob> hey guys, I am having trouble getting clipboard integration to work between lubuntu guest and virtualbox.  Has anyone fixed this before?
[22:18] <wxl> never had the issue before bobobob
[22:18] <wxl> i see #vbox is helping you out, i'd work with that
[22:18] <melodie> bobobob I can help perhaps
[22:18] <melodie> maybe
[22:19] <wxl> i can reiterate: i've used virtualbox on lubuntu and had no problem with bidirectional clipboard
[22:19] <melodie> do you have vbox-guest-utils installed as well as the extentions?
[22:19] <bobobob> k, started to think it might be lubuntu differences in something from ubuntu proper...
[22:19] <melodie> bobobob you are used to configuring it, right?
[22:19] <bobobob> just the additions
[22:19] <melodie> you have installed the guest additions?
[22:19] <bobobob> yes
[22:20] <melodie> inside the host you could also add vbox-guest-utils and vbox-guest-x11 for the screen resolution if not done yet
[22:21] <bobobob> you mean the extension pack?
[22:25] <bobobob> yep screen resolution is working fine
[22:25] <bobobob> :D
[22:26] <bobobob> host is mac os x
[22:27] <wxl> yeah you're probably best handled by #vbox at that point bobobob
[22:27] <bobobob> lol
[22:27] <bobobob> k fixt
[22:28] <wxl> um
[22:28] <wxl> i don't see any mention of guest additions for os x
[22:28] <bobobob> no...host is os x, guest is lubuntu
[22:28] <bobobob> clipboard integration finally working
[22:30] <bobobob> dragndrop: no  clipboard yes.  Had to install extension pack for some odd reason...don't recall having to do that before
[22:32] <melodie> bobobob before was different then :D
[22:32] <bobobob> apparently...LOL!  :D
[22:33] <melodie> I think we have an open source version and the extention pack is not free (free for use, not open source)
[22:33] <bobobob> ah
[22:33] <bobobob> sudo auto mounted shared folders work in lubuntu 13.10?
[22:33] <bobobob> *should
[22:37] <wxl> everything should work
[22:37] <wxl> and if it doesn't, you should probably bug #vbox :)
[22:40] <bobobob> wxl: thanks, wasn't sure what I was shooting for...what was available...thanks


[00:59] <SimplySeth> how does one query the api using curl ?
[01:02] <SimplySeth> I tried curl -u "username:password"  "http://machine/MAAS/api/1.0/nodes/?op=list and got"  "Unrecognised signature"
[01:33] <malikeye> anybody deploy openstack with landscape / maas? I can get the OS deployed on the first node, but juju just sits there waiting for something
[01:34] <malikeye> I have two network on the juju / landscape VM, and all of the hosts have 2 NIC's in them
[01:34] <malikeye> do I need to define the networks in maas? the instructions aren't really clear
[01:36] <malikeye> ahh, it wants to lookup the host with a hostname... gotta flip the DNS on I think
[01:58] <malikeye> now it's stuck on deploying landscape... one wall at a time :)
[02:06] <malikeye> so I have two nics on the landscape/juju VM, and I have both networks defined in maas... do I need to put that second nic on the network? do I need to put the maas on that second network too? or does it just manage the nics on the target nodes with that second defined network?
[02:30] <malikeye> seems to be doing better with the second nic on the nodes attached at the maas level
[02:39] <malikeye> meh.... gotta have 5 machines.... only got 4 :(
[17:01] <johng> hi.  looking for help with MAAS 1.7.  Seems to be some internal communications issue after initial image download
[17:02] <johng> socket.error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[17:05] <kiko> johng, can you give me more detail?
[17:06] <johng> in a proxy environment, all in one on a KVM vm.  All setup works, set proxy via UI, can see image downloads happen.  after image downloads, i get tjhis error in the logs and cluster is out of sync
[17:07] <johng> see images are there on the systems..  download works fine
[17:07] <johng> 2015-02-04 12:07:25-0500 [-] Logged OOPS id OOPS-d8256ede274f6493daf4df634b69b74c: error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[17:08] <kiko> johng, can you show me a screenshot of your /images page?
[17:08] <kiko> what do you mean when you say "download works fine"?
[17:10] <johng> I can see heavy activity tomy proxy with iftop
[17:10] <johng> and images screen gets to 2/2
[17:10] <kiko> I see
[17:10] <kiko> johng, can you show me a screenshot of your /images page?
[17:11] <johng> not sure how to get it to you via this freenode web..
[17:12] <johng> it shows the 1404 amd64 image is there
[17:12] <johng> no custom images
[17:12] <johng> 1404 and amd64 are all that is selected
[17:12] <SimplySeth> what is the proper way to query "http://myIP/MAAS/api/1.0/nodes/?op=list" ? a regular curl -X GET doesn't work.
[17:13] <kiko> SimplySeth, when you say "doesn't work" what do you mean?
[17:13] <johng> there is a python stack with the error as well...
[17:14] <SimplySeth> Kiko ... the response is :Unrecognised signature: GET
[17:18] <SimplySeth> kiko:  works in chrome just fine though
[17:18] <kiko> SimplySeth, are you on 1.7 or 1.5?
[17:18] <saltlake>  experts, am using ubunt openstack-installer to install openstack, I keep getting this complaint that there are not 5 nodes that have more than one disk. I have given each node 2 disks each 20GB partions.  Please advise
[17:18] <kiko> I think the issue is that nodegroups is the new black
[17:19] <kiko> no, that's not it, you're right
[17:20] <kiko> SimplySeth, I will tell you in a sec
[17:20] <SimplySeth> kiko: 1.7 ... I think is what comes with 14.04LTS
[17:22] <kiko> SimplySeth, no, 14.04 currently has 1.5.4
[17:23] <SimplySeth> kiko: then it's 1.5
[17:23] <kiko> ok
[17:23] <saltlake> really been stuck at this for more than a day and I don't know how to even login to the nodes since I don't have a username and password on the node that is commissioned by maas.
[17:24] <saltlake> Once maas commissions a node how can anyone login to it to for debug purposes.. (I need to see if the VM has 2 disks or not) pleae help
[17:24] <roadmr> saltlake: did you set up an ssh key in maas? if so, you can simply ssh to nodes, that key would give you access
[17:25] <kiko> SimplySeth, I think the issue may be the lack of a cookie.  /nodes/ does not allow anonymous requests
[17:25] <saltlake> raodmr: I will try that right away. But if you can it is possible to check this VM xml to see if I have the 2 disks setup right ? http://pastebin.com/RbeMVGTH
[17:26] <SimplySeth> kiko: okay
[17:26] <saltlake> grep sdb5. I don't why openstack would not see this this
[17:26] <kiko> SimplySeth, I can reproduce by using a private browser window and going to the URL
[17:26] <kiko> Unrecognised signature: GET list
[17:27] <saltlake> and why openstack-install repeatedly complains of the node not having more than one disk
[17:27] <kiko> SimplySeth, I think an ansible controller for maas would be killer!
[17:28] <roadmr> saltlake: hm, per this, this node has hda, vda and vdb disks, right? I don't know if this will confuse maas but it certainly confuses me :)
[17:28] <SimplySeth> kiko: that's why I'm trying to learn the secret sauce to querying the API
[17:29] <saltlake> roadmr: I changed vda and vbd to hdb and hdc resp and tried as well (since /dev/sdb5 is a physical parition .. not formatted)
[17:30] <saltlake> roadmr: I changed bustype from virtio to idea as well for those 2 disks vba and vdc but that failed commmisioning. Do you have a sample xmls for a node you created for openstack ?
[17:30] <saltlake> xmls-> xml
[17:30] <roadmr> saltlake: sorry, I've only ever used bare metal with maas :/ no idea about virsh nodes
[17:31] <saltlake> Oh no!!
[17:31] <saltlake> ok raodmr: I will try ssh ing to see if that tells me anything
[17:31] <roadmr> saltlake: did you find out where to add the key?
[17:31] <saltlake> I had added the key in the maas preference page
[17:31] <saltlake> but I rebooted the server and it won't come back up..
[17:31] <roadmr> saltlake: go to your account details, you'll find an "SSH Keys" section there with a button, then put your public key there
[17:32] <saltlake> then ssh to the IP address for that node
[17:32] <roadmr> saltlake: yes, once the node is up you can ssh directly to its ip
[17:32] <roadmr> saltlake: (or even to its blahblah.maas hostname if you're in the maas node itself)
[17:33] <kiko> SimplySeth, let me research and I'll post an answer to your askubuntu question
[17:33] <kiko> just a sec
[17:33] <SimplySeth> kiko: I would greatly appreciate it.
[17:34] <kiko> SimplySeth, meanwhile, see SimplySeth, not answering your ansew
[17:34] <kiko> err
[17:34] <kiko> SimplySeth, meanwhile, see http://blog.allenap.me/2013/06/workaround-for-uploading-files-to-maas.html
[17:35] <SimplySeth> kiko: cool thanks
[17:35] <kiko> SimplySeth, note the use of the python client api
[17:36] <SimplySeth> kiko: I might have go directly to python instead of playing with BASH
[17:37] <kiko> SimplySeth, the issue is that the API uses OAuth
[17:38] <kiko> SimplySeth, I will still get you a more complete answer
[17:38] <SimplySeth> kiko: thanks
[17:40] <johng> my python error with the connection resets:
[17:40] <johng> 2015-02-04 12:38:31-0500 [-] Unhandled Error
[17:40] <johng> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/provisioningserver/boot/uefi.py", line 134, in download_grubnet
[17:41] <kiko> johng, can you put the whole traceback in a pastebin?
[17:41] <johng> sure - how do I do that?
[17:42] <johng> googled it
[17:42] <johng> see if this works
[17:42] <johng> http://pastebin.com/Snh4nBAi
[17:43] <kiko> johng, what version of maas?
[17:44] <johng> ii  maas           1.7.1+bzr334 all          MAAS server all-in-one metapackag
[17:44] <johng> same for dhcp and dns there as well
[17:45] <kiko> interesting
[17:45] <kiko> johng, it seems to me that the problem is that the UEFI download is not being done through the proxy
[17:45] <kiko> johng, can you check to see if my hunch is correct?
[17:46] <kiko> yes, it seems so
[17:46] <kiko> shucks
[17:46] <johng> so my LTS image downloads, but boot does not?  there is only one place to set proxy
[17:46] <kiko> yes
[17:47] <kiko> it seems to be a bug in maas
[17:47] <johng> is it an easy edit somewhere that I can fix it?  or shoudl O gi use 1.5?
[17:48] <kiko> I am not sure 1.5 would work tbh
[17:49] <johng> very much apprecite you identifying it.  much much appreciate if you can provide workaround.  :-0
[17:52] <kiko> johng, can you confirm first that the proxy is not getting the request for the grubnetx64.efi.signed file?
[17:54] <johng> I don't have access to the proxy.  What can I get fro yuo from the box?
[17:57] <kiko> johng, what port is the proxy listening on?
[17:57] <johng> 8080
[17:58] <magicninja> guys i need some help i got maas going fine and it runs through an install from pxe boot but once done i just come to a black screen but power is still on and i can even send control alt delete and reboot the box why cant i see anything?
[17:59] <kiko> magicninja, this is at the end of installation, when the node would normally power off? is this maas 1.5 or 1.7?
[17:59] <kiko> johng, I guess a packet capture of anything going through your default route and going to port 80 would be useful
[18:00] <magicninja> maas 1.7 i just installed the whole thing yesterday and it does shut down after the install but when it boots back up to my hdd it goes to a black screen
[18:00] <kiko> johng, because that would indicate we are trying to fetch resources directly
[18:00] <magicninja> thx kiko
[18:00] <kiko> magicninja, at which point does it go to a black screen?
[18:00] <johng> ok.  I'm set up for that. be back in a few
[18:00] <johng> thanks
[18:00] <kiko> thanks
[18:01] <magicninja> after install is done it powers off then back up it boots my newly installed hdd but then just goes to a black screen
[18:01] <kiko> magicninja, does it for instance go through grub? do you see kernel messages?
[18:01] <magicninja> but the computer is still on
[18:01] <magicninja> i dont see grub like normal
[18:01] <magicninja> it doesnt show up it just goes straight to black screen
[18:01] <kiko> magicninja, that's weird. perhaps the grub install failed?
[18:01] <magicninja> but i can still press control alt delete and it will reboot
[18:01] <kiko> right
[18:01] <malikeye> landscape isn't liking the hosts in maas.... all nodes had 2 x nics and 2 scsi disks, but landscape still complains that they don't have 2 disks
[18:02] <kiko> malikeye, Beret might be able to help you, but I think he'd EOD now
[18:02] <magicninja> i tried reinstalling it from a rescue usb but no dice there either i can get to grub then but after i say boot ubuntu in grub... black screen
[18:02] <malikeye> lsblk certainly shows 2 disks
[18:02] <magicninja> reinstalling grub that is
[18:03] <magicninja> i have another problem too if i try to do this install from a virtual box vm it boots into the image pxeboot goes fine but about halfway through starts saying ifconfig failed giving up after 60 seconds
[18:03] <magicninja> any ideas there im all ears
[18:04] <magicninja> physical machines have first problem vms just wont go past that spot they drop me to initramfs
[18:07] <magicninja> just ran through the automated install process again finishing up now
[18:07] <magicninja> doubt there will be any change though
[18:07] <kiko> magicninja, the ipconfig issue is a typical networking problem related to your bridge
[18:08] <kiko> it's very common
[18:08] <magicninja> but it does let me pxeboot
[18:09] <magicninja> it starts the image and everything just halfway through says that
[18:09] <magicninja> do i have to do this on like a nat virtual network to make those work
[18:09] <magicninja> i dont know why it wouldnt work though
[18:09] <magicninja> i mean how i have it now with paravirtualized devices is how im running my server
[18:10] <magicninja> the maas server is a vm and i just plug a box into our network and it pxeboots right away
[18:10] <magicninja> with hardware it even goes through the whole process
[18:10] <kiko> magicninja, right, it's because dhcp is not very robust to packet droppage
[18:10] <magicninja> with my hardware issue could it be because the drive in the box im installing is 3TB
[18:10] <kiko> so if the bridge for some reason drops or delays a packet
[18:10] <kiko> then the ipconfig will fail
[18:11] <magicninja> ah
[18:11] <magicninja> so do it on a nat'ed virtual network and that should make the vms work?
[18:11] <kiko> magicninja, another situation where this happens is when the node has multiple interfaces
[18:11] <magicninja> oh and what is the best idrac etc to use for maas
[18:11] <magicninja> yeah node doesnt have multiple interfaces
[18:11] <kiko> magicninja, any IPMI-compliant BMC should be fine
[18:11] <magicninja> its a vm lol
[18:12] <kiko> a VM with multiple NICs
[18:13] <magicninja> nope just one nic
[18:13] <magicninja> i made sure after scouring the internet
[18:17] <kiko> okay
[18:18] <magicninja> ill let you know what my hardware box does in just a minute
[18:18] <magicninja> im not totally sure if this would cause a problem but...
[18:18] <magicninja> the hardware machine i am testing with has intel chipset
[18:19] <magicninja> but on the frontend when i click on the node i had it marked as amd64 after noticing this after my last attempt i changed it started it again and am almost done with the fresh install
[18:19] <magicninja> sure is nice to have a chat room to talk this over with someone who knows about t
[18:19] <magicninja> this stuff
[18:19] <magicninja> ill try and stick around and give what support i can
[18:21] <magicninja> i gotta admit with the architecture marked differently the install process sure did change
[18:22] <kiko> SimplySeth, http://askubuntu.com/questions/581444/how-to-query-maas-api-with-curl/581688#581688
[18:22] <magicninja> after a node installs it *should* come to a login prompt right?
[18:22] <kiko> magicninja, yes, but you should have uploaded an SSH key at this point which will allow you to ssh in, as no user is enabled to log in with a password by default
[18:22] <SimplySeth> kiko: thank you
[18:23] <magicninja> yeah i have one out there
[18:23] <kiko> SimplySeth, let me know if you get stuck; I tried hard to find a good way to do it with curl but it seemed like a bit too much work
[18:23] <magicninja> i just dont see anything on the screen so i cant tell if i have a video problem or something is wrong wrong
[18:25] <kiko> magicninja, my hypothesis is that the bootloader isn't getting installed
[18:25] <kiko> magicninja, that would lead to the machine hanging at a blank screen
[18:25] <magicninja> when it ran through the process it said it was installing it
[18:26] <magicninja> ill pop in a live cd and reinstall it to the sda drive and reboot and let you know what happens
[18:26] <magicninja> and even after this latest install i still get the same thing
[18:28] <kiko> magicninja, yeah, boot into a usb stick and chroot into the installed partition
[18:28] <kiko> magicninja, a grub-install should work
[18:29] <SimplySeth> Kiko .. I'm perfectly comfy with Python .. thx
[18:29] <kiko> magicninja, having said that, AIUI for a 3TB frive it needs to be a GPT partition and UEFI boot
[18:30] <kiko> SimplySeth, okay -- if there are issues with the API let me know, because I don't know how many users we have that don't use the `maas` commandline client
[18:30] <magicninja> if its not gpt would that cause a problem
[18:30] <kiko> magicninja, I think 2TB+ drives require GPT to be bootable
[18:31] <saltlake> roadmr: I tried ssh to the client machine but it isn't possible to do so !!
[18:31] <saltlake> The ssh key is for the maas node not the the other client nodes that are commissioned
[18:32] <roadmr> saltlake: oh! maybe the key didn't get copied if deployment failed :(
[18:32] <saltlake> the commissioning worked fine
[18:32] <roadmr> saltlake: hm, all deployed nodes should have that key added to them
[18:32] <magicninja> apparently its not up in any way cause i cant ping or anything after it goes to black screen but keyboard still functions
[18:32] <roadmr> saltlake: yes, the key won't be added until they're actually started or provisioned, I think
[18:32] <kiko> saltlake, did you ssh as the ubuntu user?
[18:32] <kiko> roadmr is correct, the node needs to be deployed
[18:33] <saltlake> I can't "deployment" to happen since the installer can't see 2 disks on the VM client
[18:33] <kiko> if you have only commissioned then you won't be able to connect
[18:33] <roadmr> saltlake: you could "start" one node to then SSH into it and verify the disk configuration, maybe
[18:33] <kiko> +1
[18:34] <johng> tcpdump done.  lots of files donwloaded, until we get to that grubx64.efi.signed file...  proxy send about 4k then sends a reset wiht TSval and TSecr in the packets...
[18:34] <saltlake> roadmr: How do  Issh to it ? I don't have the username and password since it is pxe booted and commissioned from MAAS
[18:35] <roadmr> saltlake: in the maas web UI, go to the node's page, there's a "start" button there
[18:35] <saltlake> Ahh like that I was doing a virsh start node
[18:35] <roadmr> saltlake: use that to start the node, it should boot up and install the operating system, it will be left in a "ready" state I think
[18:35] <roadmr> saltlake: yes, once maas tells you the node is ready (or deployed, perhaps), then, from the maas server's terminal, you should be able to ssh ubuntu@NODE_IP
[18:36] <roadmr> saltlake: it shouldn't ask for a password then, assuming you have the keys set up correctly
[18:36] <saltlake> ok me trying.. it is just starting up.
[18:36] <saltlake> ubuntu
[18:36] <saltlake> sorry ignore.. wrong window
[18:38] <roadmr> :D
[18:39] <kiko> johng, interesting -- seems to me like your proxy may be causing the issue (it might for instance not like the filetype or extension)
[18:39] <kiko> or content
[18:39] <saltlake> radmr: after the node is started should it reboot ? (I am seeing the virtual window) Also should I levae network as the first boot option after the VM is commissioned ?
[18:39] <kiko> saltlake, the node will not reboot once started; it will be left running
[18:40] <kiko> saltlake, the boot option is irrelevant as we instruct the node to chain boot to the disk
[18:41] <magicninja> kiko are you some kinda dev or something?
[18:41] <saltlake> roadmr: kiko: thank you.
[18:41] <saltlake> roadmr: it booted up and I see this :  cat /proc/partitions
[18:41] <saltlake> major minor  #blocks  name
[18:41] <saltlake>  253        0   20971520 vda
[18:41] <saltlake>  253       16   20971520 vdb
[18:41] <saltlake>    8        0   31457280 sda
[18:41] <saltlake>    8        1   31456256 sda1
[18:42] <roadmr> saltlake: I'd say it has 3 disks,right?
[18:42] <kiko> magicninja, product owner
[18:42] <saltlake> roadmr: Yes it does.. so my xml is correct
[18:43] <saltlake> roadmr: However the ubuntu installer compains "Atleast 5 nodes need more than 1 disk) and I have 8 nodes setup exaclty like this!!
[18:43] <saltlake> ubuntu installer - > openstack-install
[18:43] <roadmr> saltlake: which installer are you using? I wonder if the vda nomenclature confuses it somehow
[18:43] <roadmr> saltlake: maybe it expects the disks to be sd* or hd* but I don't know the installer, where can I find it?
[18:44] <saltlake> roadmr: I actually put hdb, hdc in the xml but the VM shows it thus!!
[18:45] <saltlake> roadmr: http://pastebin.com/TM5EAzZR
[18:45] <roadmr> saltlake: in the xml you showed me, the target names are vda and vdb; if you want them to show as hda/hdb in the VM, you have to change the <target dev='vda' to say dev='hda' for instance>
[18:45] <roadmr> saltlake: ohh I see you changed it then
[18:45] <roadmr> saltlake: after you changed the xml, did you undefine the VMs? otherwise they'll continue to use the old configuration.
[18:46] <saltlake> roadmr: No I only edited and restarted
[18:46] <roadmr> saltlake: I think you have to virsh undefine the nodes for the new config to take effect
[18:47] <roadmr> saltlake: hehe I also haven't worked a lot with virsh (I suck, really), but my sequence is: virsh define blah.xml; virsh start vm-name; work work; virsh destroy vm-name; virsh undefine vm-name
[18:47] <roadmr> saltlake: if I just start/destroy/start the vm, it doesn't reread the xml, uses the one I had when I defined it
[18:48] <saltlake> roadmr: I will try that and give u the status.. .. the installer is fromthis : sudo apt-get install openstack; sudo openstack-install.. It goes through 20 min and then fails on the drive issue
[18:48] <saltlake> ok I will be back after undefining everything in a little bit
[18:49] <roadmr> saltlake: yo could undefine just one, then redefine it, and restart it with maas, just to ensure it changes as you expect
[18:50] <roadmr> saltlake: once you're sure, do the others
[18:50] <saltlake> roadmr: I just the dumped the xml for that client an I see the tag "backingstore" for those disks.. is that normal ?
[18:51] <roadmr> saltlake: it should be OK, just specifies which storage mechanism to use
[18:51] <saltlake> ok will try
[18:52] <kiko> johng, can you check with them?
[18:52] <johng> I tried a diff proxy, got same error
[18:53] <magicninja> where is the log written about an install of node
[18:53] <magicninja> var log something?
[18:53] <johng> I'm diggin into packet capture now to see exactly why I got a reset
[18:54] <kiko> magicninja, on the maas side or on the node side?
[18:55] <saltlake> roadmr: I just undefined the VM, redined it. restarted the node from the MAAS server. sshd to it and I still see the same thing for /proc/partitions.
[18:56] <roadmr> saltlake: that's weird..
[18:56] <saltlake> roadmr: i did not reprovision it from MAAS.. maybe that is requierd.
[18:57] <roadmr> saltlake: did you destroy the vm? it should not show if you do 'virsh list'
[18:57] <saltlake> gosh i did not .. sorry ..
[18:57] <roadmr> :D
[19:06] <magicninja> ok so i ran grub-install /dev/sda and now rebooting
[19:07] <kiko> magicninja, is it a GPT partition table btw?
[19:07] <magicninja> oh you know what i didnt think to check while i was in there
[19:08] <kiko> heh
[19:08] <magicninja> fdisk -l should show me right?
[19:08] <magicninja> i mean i figure that it is otherwise i dont know how it could have installed there in the first place
[19:08] <kiko> yep
[19:09] <magicninja> ok going back in to check before i boot it
[19:09] <kiko> it's mostly curiosity
[19:09] <magicninja> im curious now too
[19:09] <magicninja> and only takes a sec to go back and check
[19:11] <johng> kiko - I see some double slashes in the url being requested
[19:11] <kiko> johng, that shouldn't matter -- you should be able to wget it from another machine (not behind a proxy) to test.
[19:12] <johng> trying now
[19:12] <kiko> johng, double-slashes are generally folded in URLs
[19:12] <magicninja> yeah my /dev/sda is gpt
[19:13] <saltlake> roadmr: Its the same after the destroy/recommission  - restart http://pastebin.com/Mfmm08cS
[19:14] <roadmr> saltlake: damn :) can you pastebin the complete .xml file?
[19:14] <saltlake> Yes It on that linkk with the /proc/paritions below the xml
[19:15] <saltlake> roadmr: Oh it didn't put the whole file 1 sec
[19:15] <roadmr> saltlake:  :)
[19:15] <kiko> magicninja, okay, so maas got that right at least
[19:15] <saltlake> roadmr: http://pastebin.com/xgN4rUqf
[19:15] <kiko> magicninja, does it contain a UEFI partition?
[19:15] <johng> kiko.  get network error on my local pc, as well as wget from the maas box
[19:16] <magicninja> no just EFI i believe
[19:16] <johng> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/current/grubnetx64.efi.signed is the url
[19:16] <magicninja> thats prob why but how do i manipulate that
[19:16] <kiko> magicninja, it should work
[19:17] <kiko> johng, 2015-02-04 17:17:08 (376 KB/s) - ‘grubnetx64.efi.signed’ saved [1001336/1001336]
[19:17] <kiko> works from here behind my proxy
[19:17] <kiko> kiko@gasolinux:~$ wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/current/grubnetx64.efi.signed
[19:17] <kiko> --2015-02-04 17:17:05--  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/current/grubnetx64.efi.signed
[19:17] <kiko> Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:3128... connected.
[19:17] <kiko> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[19:17] <kiko> [...]
[19:17] <kiko> johng, looks like a local issue. can you check with the proxy gods if they can unblock the issue?
[19:18] <roadmr> saltlake: something continues to be very weird, you're declaring hda, hdb, hdc in your .xml, but the partitions file shows vda, vdb, sda, which is completely different.
[19:18] <kiko> johng, I' m surprised you are getting a network error on your local box, though, unless you are behind the same proxy.
[19:19] <kiko> if you are, then you've nailed the problem :)
[19:19] <saltlake> roadmr: I don't get it either.. I think I should deleter the physical location of the client1 img with ha
[19:19] <saltlake> sda!!
[19:19] <saltlake> roadmr: Does having the virtio bustype matter vs ide /
[19:20] <saltlake> roadmr: I will actually define a completely new name and stop using client1 and use it to see if there is any diff
[19:21] <roadmr> saltlake: sounds good. From what I just read, you should always try to use virtio
[19:21] <kiko> totally
[19:21] <saltlake> if you don't mind sharing the source of the link.. it is not so apparent from virt-install --help
[19:22] <johng> thanks for helping kiko.  It was failing with nework error in chrome.  after you tried i tried IE and it works.  now it downloads in chrome as well..  go figure.  no MAAS for me.  guess I'll go staight juju rather than fight the peoxy-people..
[19:22] <johng> wget still fails...
[19:22] <johng> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
[19:23] <kiko> johng, how will you go straight juju without installing the nodes?
[19:23] <kiko> that's not a failure
[19:23] <kiko> partial content means that you already have part of the file locally
[19:23] <johng> Read error at byte 842669/1001336 (Connection reset by peer). Retrying.
[19:23] <johng> get lots of those..
[19:24] <johng> that's wget.
[19:24] <kiko> johng, and the proxy is mandatory, IOW, you can't issue requests directly?
[19:24] <magicninja> i just dont get it i dont know what more to check even after installing grub still no dice
[19:24] <johng> its in a lab.
[19:24] <kiko> johng, is it always at that location?
[19:25] <kiko> magicninja, I am a bit unclear as to what the boot process looks like on your node -- is it attempting to PXE-boot first, and then going blank?
[19:25] <johng> need openstack on trusty.  hoping I can just juju deploy stuff without MAAS.  I have cobbler there..
[19:25] <johng> new to juju and MAAS if you could not tell)
[19:25] <magicninja> i can make it do that but as i am through the install process even if i pxe boot it just boots my hdd
[19:26] <kiko> magicninja, that's correct
[19:26] <magicninja> it connects then mass tells it to boot the hard drive
[19:26] <magicninja> but then just blank screen
[19:26] <kiko> johng, you can't juju deploy without a provider
[19:26] <magicninja> but keyboard still works and box still on
[19:26] <magicninja> just no screen
[19:26] <magicninja> does not respond to ping either
[19:26] <kiko> magicninja, hmm, to rule out anything else, does a USB install on that system works?
[19:26] <kiko> work
[19:27] <johng> kiko I saw there was a manual provider but have not researched...  will that not allow juju without MAAS for openstack deploy?
[19:27] <magicninja> thats what im trying now but im pretty sure it will
[19:27] <johng> am I going to have to build openstack from scratch?  (uck)
[19:29] <magicninja> inside the usb install when i hit partitioning it looks like maas set up three partitions one 3TB ext4 and one swap for 2.1GB and i think i did one called biosgrub 1MB
[19:29] <kiko> magicninja, that seems correct, it's a UEFI install IOW
[19:29] <kiko> magicninja, is your BIOS set up to boot in EFI mode btw?
[19:29] <magicninja> hmmm not sure
[19:30] <kiko> johng, I think you are likely to suffer more than if you just get this file to come through :-)
[19:30] <magicninja> before i reinstal let me check
[19:30] <kiko> johng, you can set up a local mirror and tell maas to use that
[19:30] <kiko> magicninja, that can make a difference
[19:30] <johng> kiko - am I able to put the file there manually and avoid that last part of the download?
[19:31] <magicninja> in bios i have a pci rom priority it was set to efi compatible but the only other option is legacy rom
[19:31] <kiko> johng, I'm not entirely sure of the answer to that :)
[19:31] <kiko> magicninja, pci rom? not boot?
[19:31] <kiko> magicninja, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/beginners%27_guide#Troubleshooting_boot_problems
[19:31] <johng> debmirror is on my list to learn..  is that what your referring to?
[19:32] <kiko> johng, well, I was actually referring to a simplestreams mirror, but I need help from a dev to give you a more complete answer
[19:32] <kiko> johng, well.. you could definitely hack the source and avoid the need to download that file :)
[19:33] <kiko> johng, look at uefi.py in provisioningserver/boot
[19:34] <kiko> just comment out the block from line 206 to 213
[19:36] <kiko> and put the file in the right place
[19:36] <kiko> i.e.
[19:37] <kiko> var/lib/maas/boot-reources/snapshot*/grubx64.efi
[19:38] <kiko> that should be enough -- it's the last file of the boot resources you need to download
[19:40] <saltlake> roadmr: same stuff with a new client that never existed so far.. I am confused.. Do you happen to have a virt-install command line you could share on how you might set up a disk .. is it because the source directory /dev/sdc5/ /dev/sdb5 are logical volumes on a physical disk ?
[19:44] <johng> wow, I guess I have tried a lot.  I have about 40 snapshots in there
[19:48] <kiko> johng, we download those once a day IIRC
[19:48] <johng> All mine are dated today.  :-)
[19:51] <malikeye> you actually need 5 nodes for OS itself... the landscape / juju stuff sits on it's own node... so I'm using a huge blade to host landscape / juju
[19:53] <kiko> johng, gar!
[19:53] <saltlake> malikeye: Can you share how you created the VM nodes ?
[19:53] <magicninja> well after reinstalling grub i can get into grub now but when i boot ubuntu it just goes to same ol black screen
[19:53] <kiko> johng, I need to split, but if you still have issues, could you email maas-devel and we'll look at it overnight?
[19:53] <kiko> thanks
[19:53] <magicninja> i just know this is something stupid
[19:53] <malikeye> I didn't use VM's... I have UCS blades... I would've liked for landscape / juju to live in a VM though
[19:54] <malikeye> you can't choose where it gets deployed I don't think
[19:54] <kiko> magicninja, did you see the URL I posted to you?
[19:54] <magicninja> yeah havent gone through it yet though
[19:54] <johng> kiko cluster howing sync after a reboot..
[19:54] <kiko> magicninja, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_mode_setting#Disabling_modesetting
[19:54] <kiko> johng, synced! cool :)
[19:55] <kiko> I need to split, catch you all tomorrow
[19:55]  * kiko waves
[19:55] <johng> do you know if the process will go back directories and find the grub file, or do I need to keep it in the latest one somhow?
[19:56] <saltlake> malikeye: I have a large server and am working with VM ndose for everything. I don't care for performance.
[19:56] <johng> later kiko!  thanks a bunch
[19:56] <kiko> johng, the latter
[19:56] <malikeye> I want the controllers to be VM and the nodes to be raw KVM
[19:56] <saltlake> malikeye: I really hope to have a basic openstack install done else I get fired.. but if I figure it out I will share it on a blog for sure
[19:56] <johng> k
[19:57] <malikeye> these are 32-cre 256GB blades... so a whole blade for landscape / juju is a waste
[20:07] <malikeye> saltlake: just make sure you have 5 nova nodes, 2 disks on each node, and 2 nics on each node
[20:07] <malikeye> there is no way around that, unless you do the all-in-one
[20:10] <malikeye> hmm, this is weird... maas only sees half the ram on these blades
[20:10] <saltlake2> Now I am quite certain that this is an issue with openstack-install and that it is unable to see 2 disks on the VM nodes and its complaint about "Atleast 5 nodes should have more than 1 disk) is unfounded. I have to be NOT THE first person who is facing this.
[20:11] <malikeye> you need 5 nodes dedicated to nova with 2 disks
[20:11] <malikeye> then you need a node for landscape / juju... you can run maas on that node I believe
[20:11] <malikeye> if not on that same node, another for maas
[20:11] <malikeye> == 7
[20:11] <saltlake2> I have 8 VM nodes with 2 disks each. But the openstack-install has that gripe
[20:11] <malikeye> are you using virtio?
[20:11] <saltlake2> 1 of those -> landscape. But there are 7 more
[20:12] <roadmr> saltlake2: you never told me where to get openstack-install :) I can try to see how it checks for number of disks, see if your configuration is confusing it in any way
[20:12] <malikeye> I think it needs to be scsi disks.... it doesn't like virtio
[20:12] <roadmr> saltlake2: what confuses *me* is why you get those very weird disk names. I've never used virt-install, I have a hand-hacked .xml file :/
[20:14] <saltlake2> malikeye: I have not eplored the scsi disk thing at ALL!!
[20:14] <saltlake2> that could make sense
[20:14] <saltlake2> roadmr: sorry. this is how I got openstack-install  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[20:14] <saltlake2> point 4
[20:15] <saltlake2> malikeye: I will try to ee if making those disks scsi helps.. I hope those sources can be logical partitions.
[20:15] <malikeye> it will bootstrap them and overwrite everything
[20:16] <malikeye> I read a bug somewhere that virtio was an issue, so hopefully that will fix it for you
[20:16] <roadmr> saltlake2: oh boy... it'll take me a while to look at openstack-install, but I'll get around to it
[20:19] <saltlake2> roadmr: You've been most helpful.. thank you So much!!
[20:19] <malikeye> I can't see how any "regular" person would deploy this stuff.... so many logs to look through for strict requirements for the environment
[20:19] <saltlake2> malikeye: I will explore the scsi ooption.. I hope I don't need real physical disks .. but can get away with using something virtul!!
[20:20] <malikeye> it should work on virtual... but the storage device that's getting reported is virtio, and it probably either doesn't look for that, or blocks that as a viable storage taret
[20:20] <malikeye> target
[20:22] <malikeye> the landscape openstack install hangs at 1% with no errors in any of the logs I can see
[20:36] <malikeye> hmmm, second time around it's progrssing
[20:39] <malikeye> get this error while installing the neutron gateway : dpkg status database is locked by another process
[20:40] <malikeye> not to bitch, but so much for "your own private cloud in minutes", lol
[20:58] <magicninja> man if this would just work it would be great but at this rate i might be spinning up a fai server
[21:04] <magicninja> i keep getting dropped to initramfs after one of my vms boots to maas
[21:05] <magicninja> says alert! /dev/disk/blahblahblah does not exist dropping to a shell
[21:05] <magicninja> only on my virtualbox vms though
[21:05] <magicninja> still cant get my hardware box to boot up and not black screen
[21:09] <malikeye> landscape apparently doesn't like my network setup... I have the nodes, maas, and landscape on one VLAN on nic across the environment, and then a /24 on the second nic across the environment
[21:22] <malikeye> this really should work
[21:31] <magicninja> anyone else have any ideas about getting this black screen to go away make it all the way through and just cant get passed this spot
[21:38] <saltlake2> malikeye: Please explain somewhere on how u setup another virtual netwrok to make landsacpe happy.. I will face the same issue
[21:56] <malikeye> saltlake2: I haven't gotten it to work yet, but I have 2 VLAN's... one for infra and one for instances
[21:56] <malikeye> everything is on both network... VLAN1 is for landscape / maas
[21:57] <malikeye> which works fine... when I get to the landscape part, I select VLAN2 as the "public" network, as I really have to, it forces me to, because at least one node needs to be on that network, and the NICs are all tagged to that network anyway
[21:57] <saltlake2> malikeye: I have one private network for all the client nodes is and is a 192.168.122.XX and the MAAS controller is on <IP_ADDRESS> so all are on the private network. I don't know how to do the second network or how it should be setup ? I could connect it to the bridge on the host
[21:57] <saltlake2> Would that be acceptable
[21:58] <saltlake2> ?
[21:58] <malikeye> not sure... I'm rebuilding at this point... putting maas and the openstack-installer on one node... hoping I can target a vsphere guest as the landscape / juju host
[21:59] <malikeye> trying to follow the directions as close as possible... but having to use the VLAN's, which is what is screwing things up I believe
[21:59] <malikeye> landscape -> maas -> UCS is working fine
[22:02] <saltlake2> which instructions are you following to setup this up ?
[22:11] <malikeye> saltlake2: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[22:13] <saltlake2> malikeye: thanks.. I really hope I figure it out !!
[22:13] <saltlake2> malikeye: I am following the same link :-D
[22:14] <saltlake2> malikeye: But the darn link does not talk about the requirements of the second NIC interface.. i think if one is the provate I will put tha on the local network of the office
[22:14] <malikeye> exactly
[22:15] <saltlake2> cool.. BTW I am new to VMs .. KVMss .. openstack but bloody determined to get this done.. the only thing I am familiar with is ceph storage!!
[22:16] <saltlake2> I found a way to get iscsi on the virsh xml
[22:21] <malikeye> meh, WOL only works on OS's vmware tools on them, and there is no vmware integration for power management
[22:26] <malikeye> wow, vmware announced there own openstack distribution today
[22:43] <malikeye> another thing that happens, is that there is no intuitive way to "clean up".... if you need to tear down and start over again, the leases get stuck..... and the leases get sent all around, so just nuking them from /var doesn't work "clean" I don't think
[22:45] <malikeye> fresh maas install, and it doesn't probe them memory correctly
[23:16] <malikeye> looks like it fails at the landscape-client install
[23:16] <malikeye> I can't even tell which machine is doing what at this point... maas/landscape/juju are on one VM, which deployed another box, which deploys a bunch of containers, that try to deploy another box... it's very confusing, lol
[23:17] <bdx> try watching the logs.......
[23:17] <malikeye> which logs? there are tons of them
[23:17] <bdx> in .cloud-install/commands.log
[23:17] <malikeye> none that I can find that show any errors
[23:18] <malikeye> I get past that point... this is landscape running the show now
[23:18] <malikeye> I triaged all the way to that with logs ;)
[23:18] <malikeye> but once it started getting distributed, I'm lost now
[23:20] <malikeye> sorry, my topology isn't what I just said it was... I have maas and cloud-install on one VM, which works fine... then landscape/juju get deployed to a blade, which is where all the LXC's get started, which I can get to fine... it's when I go to deploy the actual OS cluster that it fails
[23:21] <bdx> I go to deploy the actual OS   │ gnuoy
[23:21] <bdx>                   │ cluster
[23:21] <bdx> what is the actual os deployment?
[23:21] <bdx> os cluster?
[23:21] <malikeye> it's openstack... it's deploying 14.04
[23:21] <malikeye> yep
[23:26] <malikeye> it's gotta be something with my networking


[18:09] <highvoltage> any comments from IRC? we're listening :)
[18:14] <bobweaver> What if the people turn you down at debian mentor saying that you "have a lot too learn " what too do ?  Just keep truckin ?
[18:17] <iulian> We can use the mailing list instead of having a regular IRC meeting. We had those back in the days if I recall correctly and we stopped doing them in favour of sending emails to the mailing list when we actually had something to say.
[18:18]  * iulian nods.
[18:25] <bobweaver> I can not seem too find link but this is what was said too me  "ubuntu devs have pointed you here because they do not want to babysit you "  then I talked about debian/control file and using dpkg-query -l to make a DEPENDS list and then compair I was told not too do that and I have alot too learn then no one talked too me after that no matter how many questions I asked.still looking for log on irc.debian.net #debian-ment
[18:25] <bobweaver> or
[18:30] <iulian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings/Minutes
[18:30] <iulian> The last meeting was 3 years ago by the way.
[18:31] <bobweaver> I said something at the ubuntu open week about video tutorials (aka and how I would shave my head if there is new videos)  what if there was like a checklist of things that help with the prosses of join motu and also learning at the same time. kill 2 birds with one stone. just a suggestion
[18:32] <sladen> highvoltage: (comments from IRC?)  move closer to the microphones :)
[18:35] <highvoltage> sladen: ok
[18:36] <komputes> hi sladen! :-)
[18:36] <EpikVision> bobweaver: video tutorials are favorable!
[18:41] <bobweaver> I what about a question and answer forum when joining the mailing list ? also where is this mailing list ?
[18:43] <broder> bobweaver: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu is the mailing list
[18:47] <bobweaver> thanks broder
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[18:51] <bobweaver> QUESTION: as beeing someone that is new is there a check list anywhere like start from here and go too here then learn this ect ?
[18:51] <sladen> thank you
[18:51] <sladen> bobweaver: -> probably best to pop along to #ubuntu-motu
[18:51] <bobweaver> will do sladen
[18:52] <sladen> bobweaver: (although probably laggy *during* as people are otherwise occupied
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[18:52] <sladen> bobweaver: but things should pick up again people get home and sleep off their jetlag too
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[18:53] <sladen> what's wrong with the bar /this/ time?
[18:53] <sladen> just too expensive, or not open yet?
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[18:54] <bobweaver> thanks every one you all are awesome !
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[18:55] <EpikVision> ok
[18:55] <iulian> Later.
[19:01] <desrt> is anyone on IRC leading this session?
[19:01] <desrt> nobody present locally knows what we're supposed to be talking about
[19:01] <sladen> desrt: I think wendar(?) is talking?
[19:01] <desrt> (and the topic seems quite similar to what we discussed in the last session upstairs)
[19:02] <desrt> let's wait until :05
[19:03] <desrt> Pendulum: are you leading?
[19:05] <desrt> i think nobody is coming to lead the session
[19:05] <desrt> so we will not have it
[19:05] <sladen> desrt: ah, I'm on the wrong stream, D'oh
[19:22] <Faqtotum> why is this ballroom empty?
[19:22] <Faqtotum> is the session canceled?
[19:23] <jtaylor> 21:03 <desrt> i think nobody is coming to lead the session
[19:23] <jtaylor> 21:03 <desrt> so we will not have it
[19:23] <Faqtotum> oh ok
[19:23] <Faqtotum> thanx
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[22:10] <wookey_> well said infinity! :-)
[22:12] <wookey_> telling everying to get an external drive
[22:12] <wookey_> SD sucks
[22:12] <wookey_> And thus do real installs
[22:13] <wookey_> I alwyas thought it was crappy :-)
[22:15] <wookey_> what does ubuntu use for installing? Debian-installer or something else?
[22:16] <rsalveti> debian installer
[22:16] <wookey_> OK
[22:21] <wookey_> both live image and pre-installed need qemu support. right?
[22:22] <wookey_> I thought that was how we prepared them?
[22:22] <rsalveti> wookey_: we'd support qemu as well, but atm we're using native image builds
[22:22] <wookey_> OK. fine.
[22:22] <wookey_> I was just wondering if there was an aarch64 server issue
[22:22] <wookey_> (no qemu there)
[22:27] <chihchun__> question - we will still have different images for different platforms, right? not one live image for all arm platform
[22:29] <wookey_> july, but I'm not saying what year
[22:30] <rsalveti> +1
[22:33] <chihchun__> what kind of medium we expected for the installer? bootable cd or sd card? (some boards has only sd card, and no enough flash storage)
[22:33] <rsalveti> sd card only
[22:34] <chihchun__> so installer in sd card, and install rootfs in sd card?
[22:34] <rsalveti> rootfs later on the usb disk
[22:34] <rsalveti> the user would be able to use the board at the live session
[22:35] <wookey_> Only a USB key, which isn;t much of an investment
[22:35] <rsalveti> and then if he wants to really use and install ubuntu, they would need the external usb device
[22:35] <rsalveti> yeah
[22:35] <chihchun__> then the installer need to take care of the boot loader configurations
[22:36] <rsalveti> we're kind of dealing with this anyway already
[22:49] <rsalveti> thanks for the session folks
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[00:00] <benonsoftware> rebuhjc: Yes?
[00:00] <rebuhjc> my usb HD is not working... solution?
[00:01] <JoseeAntonioR> rebuhjc: is it encrypted?
[00:01] <rebuhjc> nope
[00:01] <JoseeAntonioR> rebuhjc: does it say Windows/Mac only in the box?
[00:01] <rebuhjc> im on 8.04.... software problem?
[00:02] <rebuhjc> says it supports linux too
[00:02] <JoseeAntonioR> rebuhjc: yes, there are lots of.
[00:02] <JoseeAntonioR> rebuhjc: it has reached end of life, and you need to upgrade, as it's not a supported version anymore.
[00:02] <rebuhjc> ok will updating to 12.04 fix?
[00:02] <benonsoftware> rebuhjc: I would upgrade Ubuntu as 8..04 is end of life
[00:03] <benonsoftware> rebuhjc: it might help fix the problem
[00:03] <JoseeAntonioR> rebuhjc: yes, but I would backup and do a clean install.
[00:03] <rebuhjc> ok is there a way to get past the software update to 10.04 and go straight to 12
[00:03] <Unit193> Not in a good way, no.
[00:04] <benonsoftware> rebuhjc: I would backup your data and do a clean install of 12.04
[00:05] <rebuhjc> ok... would it be better to go get the stable version? i already have beta 2 downloaded
[00:05] <Unit193> Yes, yes it would.  You can use rsync or zsync to just download the changed bits though.
[00:06] <rebuhjc> cool!! thanks you guys!
[00:06] <rebuhjc> wait
[00:06] <rebuhjc> how do you do a backup... lol NOOB
[00:06] <Unit193> !backup
[00:06] <ubot2`> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[00:06] <Unit193> \o/
[00:07] <rebuhjc> thanks
[04:34] <Spooky> Hi, anyone here?
[04:41] <philipballew_> Spooky, yes
[04:42] <Spooky> hey. I'm new to ubuntu. trying to learn how to use irc a little bit.
[04:42] <philipballew_> welcome abord! Hows it going with Ubuntu
[04:43] <peterp24> hi every one
[04:43] <Spooky> do you know a place that tells the different commands? like i've learned theres command /msg and /query
[04:43] <Spooky> Ubuntu is great! much better than windows. Has some negatives but nothing is perfect.
[04:43] <Unit193> Spooky: /msg alis help list    to find alist of channels.
[04:43] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat  and   http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist  also
[04:44] <Spooky> can I send one of you guys a PM to see how it works? what is the difference between /msg and /query?
[04:45] <benonsoftware> Spooky: Sure
[04:47] <Unit193> Spooky: /query will just open the window, /msg works like  /msg benonsoftware Hello!   (While /query benonsoftware    is how that works)
[04:48] <Spooky> unit193: so /query doesn't actually send any messages?
[04:48] <Unit193> It'll open the window so you can send it, /msg opens the window and sends it.
[04:49] <Spooky> oh. I get it. thax!
[04:49] <Unit193> May be better for when you are identifing to nickserv.
[04:52] <Spooky> hehe. accidentally closed the client and i thought I was just closing an extra window :* :)
[04:53] <Unit193> Heh, I figured. :P
[04:55] <Spooky> how you guys liking the new unity in 12.04
[04:55] <Unit193> I'm actually using either Xfce, or LXDE, so philipballew_ should answer.
[04:56]  * philipballew_ is back!
[04:56] <philipballew_> well Spooky I ike it alot. What do you think?
[04:56] <philipballew_> s/alot/ a lot
[04:56] <Spooky> whit irc client u use unit193? im on xchat like you guessed. but Im interested in discovering which client right for me
[04:57] <Unit193> I use irssi, and quite like it.
[04:57] <Spooky> to be honest, I like it. It saves a lot of space. and I really like how I can maximize window and the titlebar goes into the panel.
[04:57] <Spooky> is it in repos for download?
[04:57] <Spooky> irssi
[04:57] <Unit193> !info irssi
[04:57] <philipballew_> apt-get install irsse
[04:57] <philipballew_> *irssi
[04:57] <Unit193> ubot2`: info irssi
[04:57] <ubot2`> Unit193: irssi (source: irssi): terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.15-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 1067 kB, installed size 2876 kB
[04:58] <Spooky> philip: u use irssi too?
[04:58]  * benonsoftware uses WeeChat
[04:58]  * philipballew_ uses xchat
[04:58] <Spooky> oh terminal based. wow. is it hard? Ive been studying gpg though in terminal. I use gpg in terminal exclusive.
[04:58] <benonsoftware> !info weechat
[04:59] <benonsoftware> !info weechat-curses
[04:59] <Spooky> !info xchat
[04:59] <Unit193> It's using what's called "ncurses", and is a text gui.
[04:59] <philipballew_> nothing is hard after lots of use for the most part. I would say irssi has a bigger learning curve.
[04:59] <Unit193> benonsoftware: call it by it's nick. ubot2`: info weechat-curses   just like that.
[05:00] <benonsoftware> ubot2`: info weechat-curses
[05:00] <ubot2`> benonsoftware: weechat-curses (source: weechat): Fast, light and extensible chat client - console client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1 (maverick), package size 208 kB, installed size 552 kB
[05:00] <benonsoftware> ohhh
[05:01] <Spooky> are there keyboard shortcuts for switching between the irc tabs? so i don't have to use mouse?
[05:01] <Unit193> For irssi? Yep.
[05:01] <philipballew_> the default is Epiphany that replaced Pidgin right?
[05:01] <Unit193> Nither are irc clients.
[05:02] <Spooky> im on xchat now. anyone know shortcuts for that?
[05:02] <philipballew_> I can help there
[05:02] <philipballew_> what kinda shortcuts?
[05:02] <philipballew_> oh, switching between tabs
[05:03] <Spooky> to move bettwen tabs. like I have this chat and a private chat with unit. can i move bettween the tabs with shortcut no mouse
[05:03] <philipballew_> crtl t adds a new one. and switching is...
[05:04] <Spooky> Ctrl+Tab i think
[05:04] <philipballew_> http://xchatdata.net/Using/KeyboardShortcuts
[05:04] <Spooky> alt+# like firefox in ubuntu
[05:04] <Spooky> kewl
[05:05] <philipballew_> there is a complete list I believe
[05:05] <philipballew_> how long have you been using ubuntu?
[05:05] <Spooky> do you know wher eI can find more /commands for xchat?
[05:05] <Spooky> is there liek a page that tells the different commands?
[05:06] <Unit193> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi http://niklas.laxstrom.name/page/eng/irssi those will help loads.
[05:06] <Spooky> hi bodhi, im reading your irc page right now :P
[05:07] <Spooky> unit: kewl thanks
[05:07] <Unit193> http://toxin.jottit.com/ that will help as well, easy way to complete a persons name is to hit tab ben<tab>
[05:08] <Spooky> why do u prefer commandline for irc? any specific reasons
[05:09] <Unit193> It's far better. ;)
[05:09] <Unit193> It's just how I am.
[05:10] <Spooky> ill have to try it. after using BASH, its just pitiful seeing that windows cmd thing. It's too bad windows is so dominant.
[05:10] <Spooky> if Linux had more commercial support, driver support would be better.
[05:11] <aeoril> Snicksie, o/
[05:19] <Unit193> Spooky: You can buy it from Canonical and RedHat,  RedHat is in many server locations, and more servers run Linux than Windows.
[05:20] <Spooky> Unit193, what can i buy?
[05:21] <Spooky> ubot2`: xchat
[05:21] <ubot2`> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[05:21] <Spooky> ubot2`: !info xchat
[05:21] <Unit193> Commercial support, related to your last comment.
[05:22] <Spooky> the drivers? say I have a "glitch" I can't solve. hwo much would it cost. I saw some prices and it was well over a $100
[05:22] <Spooky> Is this accurate? I'll start saving.
[05:22] <Unit193> Easier to check friendly.ubuntu.com and call it over.
[05:22] <Spooky> I got a problem I havent been able to solve since release
[05:24] <Spooky> Unit193: did not know of friendly site. thx!
[05:24] <Unit193> That, google, and asking a few people I know is the easy way to see if it's compatible.
[05:25] <Unit193> System76 sells computers with Ubuntu preinstalled.
[05:29] <Spooky> yes, im interested in system76
[05:29] <Spooky> but they dont have some things. like I asked them
[05:29] <Spooky> no matte screen. no port disabling in BIOS.
[05:30] <Spooky> I wish I was millionair/billionaire. I would start a ubuntu hardware company and make laptops and desktops with hardware I want
[11:04] <al___> hi
[13:13] <raubvogel> Am I the only one having problems with security.ubuntu.com? http://pastie.org/private/ysh1ynndo4h9wnuuswcea
[15:02] <c11> hi #ubuntu-beginners
[15:06] <c11> i recently installed ubuntu 12.04-lts on my macbook1,1... now "apport" keeps reminding me of an error or bug because of some "crash" it detected... apparently it seems to be the i915gm graphics adaptor and some DRM issue
[15:06] <holstein> c11: i ended up just running virtualized ubuntu on my macbook or that era
[15:07] <holstein> too many deal breakers...
[15:07] <c11> 3D accelleration works allright: "xdriinfo prints out: i915"
[15:07] <holstein> i ran it vitualized, and just got rid of that machine first chance i had
[15:10] <c11> holstein i dont want to run MacOSX at all, and i dont want to get rid of this box. its working too good to just throw it away.
[15:13] <holstein> c11: i didnt throw mine away.. nor am i suggesting you do what i did.. im just letting you know what i did with that same hardware
[15:14] <Unit193> There should be an option to ignore errors "like these", if that's what you're looking for.
[15:14] <holstein> yeah... i would just run it if its working OK otherwise
[15:17] <holstein> isnt there a different iso now? for apple machines?
[15:17] <holstein> c11: are you using that?
[15:19] <c11> unit193, where is that? apport only leaves me two options: "abort" "continue"
[15:19] <c11> holstein no i used the desktop 32bit iso.
[15:19] <Unit193> Odd, it keeps "reminding" me of one too, and I have the option.
[15:22] <c11> i know that to do! im going do uninstall apport
[15:25] <c11> unit193 i downloaded the 12.04 iso last week, maybe there were changes in the meantime, or the updatemanager didnt update this piece of software?
[15:25] <c11> but i think uninstalling apport will do the trick.
[15:25] <holstein> c11: just check for and apply updates
[15:29] <holstein> c11: the mac images i was thinking of are for 64bit machines...
[15:31] <c11> holstein i'll have a look at the available images.
[15:34] <c11> holstein quoting "http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04": PC (Intel x86) desktop CD
[15:34] <c11> For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows, as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors. Choose this if you are at all unsure.
[15:35] <holstein> c11: the images i thought of were not for your machine
[15:35] <c11> holstein link
[15:36] <holstein> 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD
[15:36] <holstein> Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead. This image is adjusted to work properly on Mac systems.
[15:36] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:36] <c11> holstein thanks man.
[15:36] <holstein> c11: this is also the 12.10 daily build
[15:36] <c11> perfect, this is what i was searching for.
[15:36] <holstein> c11: its 64bit.. and quite in the "testing" phase... i would just try it live
[15:37] <holstein> from what i remember, that machine is 32bit only
[15:37] <c11> holstein naw man... its a dualcore CPU
[15:38] <holstein> c11: yup.. a dual core 32bit proc from what i remember
[15:38] <holstein> wont hurt to burn a 64bit live iso and try it though
[15:39] <c11> http://ark.intel.com/products/35100/Intel-Celeron-Processor-E1500-(512K-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB)
[15:42] <holstein> c11: let me know how it goes.. i seem to remember reading it was 64, and finding it was 32... but its been a few years since i had that hardware in front of me.. and like i said, it wont hurt to try a 64bit iso
[15:42] <holstein> maybe i just decided 64bit wasnt worth the hassle
[15:43] <c11> holstein yes thats not easy to figure, since there only are a few apps really taking advantage of the additionale address-space
[15:43] <holstein> c11: if the 64bit iso boots.. its 64bit
[15:47] <c11> no torrent alternative, so i only get about 10mbit.... this will take a while.
[15:51] <c1one> d'oh i switched from wireless to wired and forgot about the ip change
[15:51] <c1one> cant ghost c11 because i havent registered it, anyhow download is now 2.5mbyte/s
[15:51] <c1one> 4,3
[16:08] <c11> holstein i tried   Ubuntu 12.10 "Quantal Quetzal" - Alpha amd64+mac, and i got "boot error" on this mac machine, then i inserted the stick into a desktop PC and it booted up the greeting screen, i clicked on "verify DVD" and after a few seconds i got a MD5 error
[16:19] <c11> x32
[16:52] <c11> holstein, you are right the MacBook1,1 does NOT support 64bit
[17:40] <c11> holstein, macbook1,1 has got a intel T2500 http://ark.intel.com/products/27236/Intel-Core-Duo-Processor-T2500-(2M-Cache-2_00-GHz-667-MHz-FSB)
[17:40] <c11> 32bit processor.
[17:40] <c11> so its no wonder it doesnot work with 64bit.
[19:01] <peterp24> hi
[19:02] <dniMretsaM> hi peterp24
[19:02] <peterp24> do you know a detailed guide about how to back up your data inside the /home partition - I have a very messy /home/pts partition
[19:02] <peterp24> hi dniMretsaM
[19:03] <peterp24> how are you
[19:03] <dniMretsaM> peterp24: you could just clone the partition using Clonezilla or something
[19:03] <peterp24> yeah but I would copy including the settings files for a bunch of softwares
[19:04] <peterp24> it is not that I am lazy to do a backup using whatever tool
[19:04] <dniMretsaM> so you don't want to keep those files?
[19:04] <peterp24> for instance, I created a launchpad ago - and I suspect I have some important files (gpg keys??) somewere or so
[19:05] <peterp24> a lot was done on this machine over the last year - including some pranks - that I don't want to carry over the new installation
[19:06] <dniMretsaM> ok, so you basically just want to back up only certain files
[19:06] <peterp24> yeah - I was wondering if I could find a detailed guide somewhere - so I could follow it
[19:06] <yeehi> Hello everybody! I have a question: I want to clearsign a txt file using a key that I specify. What is the command I should enter in the terminal?
[19:07] <peterp24> I don't want to let something important or to walk around with a clonezilla image
[19:07] <dniMretsaM> peterp24: well, the simplest thing to do would probably just be to go through and manually copy the files you need over. there might be a faster way, but I don't know what that would be.
[19:08] <peterp24> yeah - probably - and I could ask for help for a specific issue
[19:09] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: did you try the command I gave you earlier: gpg --default-key <name> --clearsign /path/to/file.txt
[19:09] <peterp24> this is a too generic topic - I know - it is something like: please warn me about some hidden files I might loose and that may be useful later on :(
[19:10] <dniMretsaM> peterp24: the problem with only copying certain files is that there isn't really an easy way to automatically detect what is good and what isn't.
[19:10] <hobgoblin> peterp24: I tend to copy over the few things that I'd not want to lose - bookmarks/email/xchat/etc
[19:10] <dniMretsaM> for example, if, say, you wanted to copy all .ogg files from a directory, you could use GAWK
[19:10] <yeehi> i tried doing that dniMretsaM, but it didn't work: no such file or directory. Maybe I should enter something different instead of <name>
[19:11] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: "<name>" is meant to be replaced with the name of your key
[19:12] <peterp24> me also - but I got involved in some stuff I don't fully understand - and as a result I may have some useful but totally hidden files on my /home dir. So - I guessed that somebody have had this problem before and compiled a guide
[19:12] <dniMretsaM> peterp24: but if you want to copy your .mozilla folder and 20 pictures form this folder and your entire documents folder, that would be very difficult (if not impossible) to automate
[19:13] <peterp24> I know
[19:13] <yeehi> I have tried using the name yeehi and also the key ID number. Am i meant to write it like this: <yeehi> or like this yeehi?
[19:13] <peterp24> I am not asking for bash script or an automated solution
[19:14] <hobgoblin> yeehi: <text> is used as a placeholder so you'd use name
[19:14] <hobgoblin> generally
[19:15] <yeehi> OK, I got a bit of progress!
[19:15] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: you need to use the name of the key. You can get the name of the keys in your keyring with this: gpg --list-keys
[19:16] <dniMretsaM> and you don't use the angle brackets.
[19:16] <yeehi> I used yeehi instead of <yeehi> and that worked - but it says I have to use a passphrase to unlock the secret key, but there is no opportunity for me to enter a passphrase
[19:16] <yeehi> i think i need to embed the passphrase into the command line somehow...
[19:16] <dniMretsaM> peterp24: are you looking info on what files are important?
[19:17] <yeehi> no, i just need to clearsign a txt file
[19:17] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: what is the message it's giving you (pastebin it, please)
[19:17] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: yes, I know that. I was talking to someone else
[19:19] <bobweaver> yeehi,  I am glad to see that you are here On Irc with the rest of use :) And I am also glad that you made that awesome thread :)
[19:19] <yeehi> You need a pasphrase to unlock the secret key for user "yeehi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2048-bit RSA key ID 66C0B585
[19:20] <yeehi> oh, thank you very much, bobweaver!
[19:20] <yeehi> I am glad you liked the thread - i was curious about IRC
[19:20] <bobweaver> I see that I am very glade that you hade it
[19:21] <bobweaver> you are trying to get cloak ??
[19:21] <peterp24> dniMretsaM - yeah - but first I need to gather myself and put down a list of software I used in the last year
[19:22] <peterp24> I guess the critical files I don't know where they reside are the gnome keyring related file, some ssh stuff I created but never used and the lanchpaud stuff
[19:22] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: you it prompts you for your password. at least it does when I do it.
[19:22] <bobweaver> peterp24,  what are you tring to do with LP ?
[19:23] <peterp24> oh nothing - I created the account an year ago because I wanted to develop something - but eventually I setled for a github account
[19:24] <hobgoblin> peterp24: it is likely that all the personal stuff you need will be hidden files/folders
[19:24] <bobweaver> peterp24, most  ssh stuff  cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub   <for public
[19:25] <bobweaver> that is what you register to LP  pgp/gpg you can get with command
[19:25] <dniMretsaM> yeehi: can you pastebin the output (blank out anything you feel is sensitive, if you wish)
[19:25] <bobweaver> gpg- --list-keys   I think
[19:25] <yeehi> I got it to work - thank you all!
[19:25] <hobgoblin> woot
[19:26] <yeehi> Must log off - being disconnected from internet!
[19:26] <yeehi> Big thanks all!
[19:26] <dniMretsaM> bye yeehi. glad you got it working
[19:26] <bobweaver> sweet yeehi
[19:27] <peterp24> bobweaver - thanks for the tips - found something in /home/pts/.gnupg/pubring.gpg also
[19:27] <bobweaver> :)
[19:27] <bobweaver> peterp24,  what was program that you where making ?
[19:27] <bobweaver> j/w
[19:27] <peterp24> a crappy cad like app
[19:28] <peterp24> 2D stuff only - nothing fancy
[19:28] <bobweaver> that is cool
[19:28] <bobweaver> python ?
[19:28] <peterp24> yup
[19:28] <peterp24> just wanted to test some things
[19:29] <bobweaver> cool
[19:29] <bobweaver> I have to take down some "test" things that I have done on LP also
[19:29] <bobweaver> or get back to work on the
[19:29] <bobweaver> them *


[05:43] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <gema> morning :D
[06:28] <pitti> hey gema, early for you!
[06:32] <gema> pitti: indeed :D
[08:20] <DanChapman> good morning
[08:24] <Noskcaj> hey DanChapman
[12:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:51] <pitti> jibel_: question about new jenkins
[13:51] <pitti> jibel_: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/trusty-adt-apport/ is still marked as "failed", although I "matrix reloaded" i386 (failed due to dreaded hash sum mismatch)
[13:52] <jibel> pitti, looking
[13:52] <pitti> jibel: that worked in the old jenkins; that's a bug?
[13:52] <pitti> jibel: i. e. should I better only use "build now"? (that wastes a run on the other arch, though)
[13:52] <jibel> the notification plugin changed too apparently
[13:54] <jibel> pitti, looks like a bug in jenkins to me
[13:54] <jibel> pitti, http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/trusty-adt-apport/36/testReport/
[13:54]  * pitti wants a "Look at it harder, Mr. Jenkins!" button
[13:54] <jibel> reports 1 failure, but everything passed
[13:55] <pitti> jibel: thanks; I'll rebuild apport again
[13:55] <jibel> pitti, britney should see a pass on both arch though
[13:56] <pitti> jibel: not sure, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html doesn't have apport
[13:56] <pitti> jibel: often, when I get a "jenkins failed" mail, that package isn't there ^
[13:56] <pitti> so it's often hard to say why a particular test was triggered
[13:56] <jibel> pitti, the result is still in the queue and as not been processed by britney yet
[13:56] <pitti> same with "crash" (which just failed on i386)
[13:56] <jibel> hm, no
[13:56] <jibel> nm
[13:58] <jibel> public jenkins sees a failure too
[14:09] <jibel> pitti, apparently if you don't re-run all the configurations of a matrix job, results are not published to the public instance
[14:09] <jibel> in jenkins' logs I find INFO: trusty-adt-apport ? i386,adt #36 main build action completed: SUCCESS
[14:09] <jibel> but no associated publication
[14:10] <pitti> jibel: so that's even for "internal" publication within jenkins, not just for hte public jenkins.q.u.c.?
[14:11] <jibel> pitti, that's for the publication to jenkins.qa.u.c, I haven't found why it doesn't see the successful run. but it's better to avoid that matrix relaoded thing
[14:12] <pitti> jibel: ok, will do; it was quite useful until the upgrade
[14:16] <jibel> pitti, on the server, jenkins updated i386 but didn't update the main result file which aggregates all the archs. So, definitely a bug. I was quite happy with jenkins until the upgrade too.
[23:22] <Noskcaj> Can someone with a spare 14.04 install try https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3 ? I don't fully trust my packaging


[10:45] <Riddell> anyone able to say why kate/kate4 konsole/konsole4 transition isn't going into release? the packages are moving to kf5 but I've made packages for the old kde4 versions that retain the plugins that various bits use
[10:55] <Laney> Riddell: Seems like an easy hint would work
[10:55] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9784066/
[11:01] <Riddell> Laney: oh? what does that mean?
[11:01] <Laney> It means please consider these packages together
[11:04] <Riddell> Laney: so I just add "easy kate/4:14.12.0-0ubuntu2 kate4/4:4.14.3-0ubuntu4" to my hints file?
[11:05]  * Riddell makes it so
[11:06] <Laney> For example konsole4 Breaks old konsole, so you need to upgrade konsole at the same time or anything that depends on it will become uninstallable
[11:06] <Laney> so you need to tell britney to update them both in the same transaction
[11:06] <Laney> Riddell: and one for konsole too, yes
[11:27] <tseliot> Riddell: hi, can you reject my nvidia-graphics-drivers-346 and nvidia-graphics-drivers-346-updates (in vivid NEW) please? I'd like to upload a new upstream release and to add some fixes
[11:34] <Riddell> ok
[11:35] <Riddell> tseliot: ↑
[11:35] <tseliot> Riddell: thanks a lot
[12:31] <mlankhorst> could llvm-toolchain-3.5 in trusty NEW get accepted?
[15:45] <xnox> stuck in debian's new queue for experimental, hence direct upload to ubuntu instead of via debian
[16:40] <apw> now that the casper changes have hit vivid-release it might be a good idea to respin one of the liveCDs (say amd64) so we can confirm it fixes the booting issues there
[16:41] <apw> sooner rather than later, given alpha2 freezy is so imminent
[16:44] <Laney> apw: doing
[16:44] <apw> Laney, thanks indeed
[16:45] <Laney> although it might not be so imminent
[16:45]  * Laney sends a nastygram to the ML :)
[16:47] <apw> Laney, :)
[17:12] <apw> Laney, will that rebuild appear here in queuebot verbiage, or ...
[17:13] <Laney> apw: it's at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/ already so probably not :P
[17:13] <apw> Laney, ahhh thanks
[17:14] <elfy> Laney: elfy sent a 'what's that anyway' askygram :)
[17:14] <elfy> then washed his hands of it as well :)
[17:33] <elfy> Laney: ta :)
[17:33] <Laney> haha
[17:33] <Laney> I enjoy this split conversation
[17:33] <elfy> :D
[17:34] <elfy> I'll try and look at that wiki - I'd guess if nothing else - splitting it into 2 bits (those with access and Ubuntu release) and stuff that the 'rest' can help with would be useful
[17:36] <Laney> most of it is just not done any more since the milestones were de-officialised
[17:37] <elfy> lol
[17:41] <elfy> then I'll look at something for flavour's to use then - anyway I'll have a play somewhere
[17:58] <apw> Laney, that ISO seems to boot just fine ... so i will call the casper changes a success
[17:59] <Laney> good work son
[18:00] <wxl> folks, what's up with alpha2? when will we have images?
[18:03] <apw> wxl, normally (and nominally) the freezes for the early milestones are the tuesday of the week of that milestone, and the release the thursday of the same week
[18:03] <wxl> apw: they used to be monday. oh well.
[18:03] <apw> so i'd expect to see migration blocks drop in tomorrow
[18:04]  * apw cannot reacall a monday one, so it must have been a while
[18:04] <elfy> 2 or 3 cycles ago it was
[18:04] <wxl> which in ubuntu terms is like a million years ago ;)
[18:04] <Laney> there was a monday time, but it's been tuesday for a few milestones now
[18:05] <wxl> i'm going to update our wiki to reflect this
[18:05] <wxl> wait a minute
[18:05] <wxl> apw: when you say "early milestones" do you mean anything except the release image or do you mean only alphas?
[18:05] <apw> wxl, my memory is the betas having a week, freezing on a thursday and releasing the next one
[18:06] <wxl> apw: is there anywhere i can find a definitive answer?
[18:06] <apw> the release team by definition (i suspect)
[18:06] <wxl> heheheh
[18:06] <wxl> i'll send an email
[18:07] <Laney> last cycle they were all the tuesday before, except release
[18:07] <elfy> yep - possibly the previous too
[18:10] <wxl> sent, thanks apw Laney elfy
[18:12] <elfy> I'd not thank me - I'm so forgetful I'd forget to
[18:12] <wxl> hehehe
[18:12] <wxl> yeah well i'm also trying to consider that as well
[18:12] <wxl> so maybe i should say you're welcome, elfy ? :)
[18:12] <elfy> :)
[18:12] <elfy> wxl: did you see the recent mails to the -release list ?
[18:13] <wxl> elfy: i saw the ones about participating in alpha2
[18:13] <elfy> I think generally *they* want the likes of you and I to step up and help out with some of this
[18:13] <wxl> well i'm happy to help but i can't decide schedules
[18:13] <wxl> if i can get the info, i'll help disseminate it
[18:14] <elfy> this thing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-December/003166.html
[18:15] <wxl> oh yeah
[18:15] <wxl> not so recent :)
[18:16] <elfy> heh - I meant the within the last hour or so recent from Laney and me :)
[18:16] <wxl> hahahah
[18:16] <wxl> they say they need alpha2, beta1 help and yet there's not even a column yet :)
[18:16] <wxl> there's a certain irony to it
[18:37] <elfy> wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseTaskSignup - 2 empty spots - for a2 and b1 :)
[18:48]  * wxl removes his blinders
[18:48] <wxl> oh now i see it!
[18:48] <wxl> in any case i'm kind of stretched thing on that
[18:48] <wxl> i think i'll forward the message to the team and see if someone wants to pick up on it
[18:48] <wxl> our release team is rather small