[07:36] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:40] <elfy> hey ochosi
[07:42] <ochosi> Unit193: where are your xubuntu-related packages that would go into the extras repo again?
[07:42] <elfy> ochosi: I'm not working the week after next, need to set the meeting up - but I can set it for when you're about if you want
[07:43] <ochosi> elfy: thanks, that'd be nice
[07:44] <ochosi> i have to announce in advance that the next two weeks might be a bit more chaotic for me, because i'm in my transition back home
[07:44] <elfy> ochosi: yep
[07:44] <ochosi> so i have a few last days here in venice and i'll also be travelling a bit (for fun, this time)
[07:44] <ochosi> after that, things should be mostly stable throughout the summer
[07:44] <elfy> let me know if there's a best time and I'll set it for then - as long as I've set it by early next week
[07:44] <elfy> heh
[07:46] <ochosi> for next week, i think mon-tue would be the best days
[07:46] <ochosi> time-wise, hrm, i guess the meeting during the day worked best for me
[07:46] <ochosi> we could also ask bluesabre if that'd work for him again
[07:47] <ochosi> (that was 10utc iirc)
[07:47] <elfy> lol
[07:47] <elfy> I see you read and digested the meeting logs - no meeting next week - no meeting till week of 23rd June :)
[07:48] <ochosi> oh right, i forgot, so the week after that...
[07:48] <elfy> ok - so ~10:00UTC?
[07:48] <ochosi> that makes it harder to say what day would be good though
[07:49] <elfy> :) - well we can leave setting it for a few days if that helps
[07:51] <Unit193> ochosi: Mostly in /xfce, but thunar is in /test.
[07:53] <ochosi> elfy: i guess i won't be able to realistically say anything until monday
[07:53] <ochosi> Unit193: thunar? you mean the dropbox plugin?
[07:54] <Unit193> Yep.
[07:54] <ochosi> k, any pkgs you wouldn't consider ready for the extras repo?
[07:54] <elfy> ochosi: ok - well I'll set it then :)
[07:55] <elfy> bbl
[07:57] <ochosi> ok, thanks elfy
[08:06] <Unit193> Well xfwm is a git snapshot, sooo.
[08:07] <Unit193> And just pull thunar-dropbox-plugin from the other.
[08:09] <ochosi> what's up with appfinder?
[08:10] <ochosi> ah, we don't have that release yet in 14.04
[08:10] <Unit193> Right, just a backport.
[08:11] <Unit193> Picked it directly from experimental, so can ignore it.
[08:12] <ochosi> ok
[08:16] <ochosi> hrm, the dropbox plugin is still building
[08:17] <ochosi> xfdashboard is copied over though
[08:17] <Unit193> I was going to hit up utopic with that when things were slightly further along, but meh.
[08:18] <Unit193> Had it since quantal. >_>
[08:42] <ochosi> fwiw, just dropped all pkgs for lucid from our dev-PPA
[08:42] <ochosi> this one: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa
[08:42] <ochosi> i apologize in advance to all users of lucid :p
[08:43] <Unit193> Hah.
[08:43] <Unit193> Thanks.
[08:43] <Unit193> ochosi: Have any other requests?
[08:44] <ochosi> hmm, skippy-xd is already in the repos?
[08:46] <ochosi> if not, that'd be a request
[08:53] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Could you add the embed plugin (from debian svn) too please
[08:53] <Unit193> I can't add anything. :P
[08:53] <Unit193> What's it do?
[08:55] <Unit193> Noskcaj: PPA it and request someone copy it over.
[08:56] <Noskcaj> "Plugin for embedding arbitrary app windows into the Xfce panel"
[08:57] <ochosi> it's quite a funny and ridiculous plugin at the same time
[08:57] <ochosi> iirc the author embedded a messenger app in the panel (that was the main usecase)
[08:57] <ochosi> if anybody has more creative ideas than this ^ ...
[08:57] <Unit193> So, we need it for utopic?
[08:58] <Noskcaj> Unit193, nope, just saying it should be in the ppa in case someone finds a use for it
[09:02] <Noskcaj> It's  in ppa:noskcaj/build now
[09:02] <ochosi> Noskcaj: ok, feel free to ping me when it's ready and tested
[09:03] <Noskcaj> ready=yes, tested=no
[09:05] <ochosi> if (tested == yes) { ping ochosi; } else { return; }
[09:05] <Noskcaj> k
[09:06] <knome> yeah, that PPA shouldn't be for experimental stuff
[09:08] <Unit193> So, don't put xfce4-appfinder in it.
[09:09] <knome> when does something stop being experimental?
[09:09] <knome> when enough people have tested it...
[09:10] <knome> so just make sure it's tested and we can take it in
[09:12] <slickymasterWork> knome: do you have a few minutes to spare?
[09:13] <Unit193> knome: So, both mine don't count?
[09:15] <Unit193> Meh, just dropbox doesn't, which is what I use.
[09:20] <slickymasterWork> knome: I've just noticed that something got messed up with xubuntu.ent
[09:21] <slickymasterWork> at least the s«Settings Manager icon isn't being properly load in the documentation
[09:28] <knome> slickymasterWork, hmm, right
[09:33] <brainwash> should we ask why the patched xfpm and lls packages are not available in -proposed yet? or just wait some more days?
[09:33] <slickymasterWork> lol knome, meaning...?
[09:33] <knome> meaning "i guess i should look at it"
[09:34] <slickymasterWork> another thing I wanted to talk to you about is bug 1299743
[09:34] <slickymasterWork> I'm inclined to mark it as invalid. What is your opinion?
[09:34] <knome> yeah, that's a good question
[09:35] <ochosi> bbabl
[10:05] <bluesabre> 10utc works best for me
[10:56] <ochosi> elfy: ^ ok, then let's head for 10utc and fix the day/date on monday?
[10:57] <knome> slickymasterWork, sorry, i must have missed your last question before....
[10:57] <knome> slickymasterWork, to be honest, i don't really know if it's invalid
[10:58] <knome> slickymasterWork, if we insist there is a specific option to enable/disable and it doesn't exist, it's a bug in our documentation
[10:58] <knome> slickymasterWork, maybe we could change it to something more general. at least we should see how xubuntu machines would have to enable that stuff and document that
[11:03] <ochosi> bluesabre, ali1234, and whoever else it might concern: talked to larsu recently about their plans for indicators
[11:04] <slickymasterWork> knome, lost connectivity
[11:04] <ochosi> bluesabre, ali1234: in the short run (14.10) there are no big changes ahead – although honestly, with the indicator-stack you can never know...
[11:04] <bluesabre> yeah, something will likely break
[11:04] <ochosi> as soon as unity8 is around, it's questionable whether we can still use indicators easily, cause then they will change significantly
[11:04] <ochosi> at least that was larsu's projection
[11:04] <slickymasterWork> thing is that the paragraph in question addresses other Linux/Ubuntu based systems
[11:05] <slickymasterWork> does xubuntu fall in that condition?
[11:05] <knome> slickymasterWork, maybe we should "assume" the other systems are xubuntu, and write instructions for that
[11:05] <bluesabre> we'll keep an eye on them, maybe team up with elementary folks for co-maintainership if we're the last people interested in gtk
[11:05] <knome> and add "ymmv" for other systems
[11:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i guess going for gnome3's system doesn't make much sense..
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> lost you there knome, what's ymmv?
[11:06] <knome> slickymasterWork, "your mileage may vary"
[11:06] <bluesabre> yeah, gnome3 doesn't support indicators (I think)
[11:07] <knome> slickymasterWork, basically implying that "we don't really know what kind of switch/option you have, but here's how you do it in xubuntu:"
[11:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: well they have some different (js based?) plugin/extension system
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> lol, thought you were referring to some sort of a package
[11:07] <knome> hehe, no
[11:07] <bluesabre> yeah, js from what I can tell
[11:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, as i'm not able to test it anymore, how's the display dialog working now?
[11:08] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'll rewrite it
[11:08] <knome> slickymasterWork, cheers
[11:08] <knome> slickymasterWork, can you test what the xubuntu user would need to do to enable that? or is it enabled automatically?
[11:09] <slickymasterWork> I'll have to test it here knome
[11:09] <knome> mhm
[11:09] <knome> i'm actually thinking it might require some package to be installed, or then not
[11:09] <knome> i have no clue...
[11:09] <knome> i still don't have any resident printers ;)
[11:09] <slickymasterWork> I can take advantage of the fact that here I have a network available to test it
[11:10] <knome> yep
[11:10] <knome> that's cool
[11:10] <slickymasterWork> thanks for the brainstorming knome ;)
[11:11] <knome> np
[11:11] <slickymasterWork> told you I would be poking you :P
[11:11] <knome> but that's okay ;)
[11:13] <davmor2> slickymaster: I wouldn't you don't know where knome has been ;)
[11:14] <knome> true...
[11:15] <slickymasterWork> I think I'm safe davmor2, I have a biiiiiiiiiiiiig poking stick
[11:17] <knome> slickymasterWork, oh yeah the entity file is either messed up or it isn't loaded corretly
[11:18] <slickymasterWork> yes, at first I thought it might be caused by some specific configuration of my utopic box
[11:18] <knome> tbe, it's broken for languages only
[11:19] <knome> did you check the main docs in english?
[11:19] <slickymasterWork> but I branch them and build it locally and the issue remains
[11:19] <slickymasterWork> yes
[11:19] <knome> and did it break?
[11:19] <slickymasterWork> yes
[11:19] <knome> weird
[11:19] <knome> because it's fine here
[11:19] <slickymasterWork> not here
[11:20] <knome> also Unit193 has reported some breakings with the latest branches
[11:20] <knome> but only now and then, nothing he can reproduce
[11:20] <slickymasterWork> but there's something going wrong anyway
[11:20] <knome> yep
[11:21] <slickymasterWork> I pinged Unit193, but most probably he finally went to sleep :)
[11:33] <knome> i think the problem is that the translation is happening in a wrong directory
[11:34] <slickymasterWork> the script is running incorrectly? is that what you mean?
[11:34] <knome> not exactly
[11:34] <knome> the script is running correctly
[11:34] <knome> but the xml files reference to the .ent file with a relative path, eg. ../libs/xubuntu.ent
[11:35] <knome> and i believe the script is in a wrong directory to get that right
[11:35] <slickymasterWork> ah, I see what you mean
[11:35] <knome> or something else is in the wrong place
[11:35] <knome> but i believe it's in the translation process
[11:35] <knome> because i don't experience the issue with the default docs
[11:36] <slickymasterWork> by default you mean the ones in english?
[11:36] <knome> yep
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> I had experience the same issue with those
[11:37] <slickymasterWork> s/had/have
[11:37] <knome> i don't, so i'm unable to debug that
[11:40] <knome> are you absolutely sure you have the latest branch revision?
[11:43] <slickymasterWork> branch it at 10:00 AM
[11:52] <slickymasterWork> knome: the branch is revision 198
[11:56] <slickymasterWork> it's the last one
[11:56] <knome> yep
[12:24] <knome> for some reason, xml2po seems to strip the line '%xubuntu-ent' off, which makes the entities not available
[13:02] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, re bug 1299743, that option apparently disappeared sometime between Precise and Saucy
[13:03] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/print-server-settings-comparison.php
[13:03] <jjfrv8> so that means I missed it at least the last two cycles :(
[13:11] <knome> that happens... :)
[14:14] <slickymasterWork> knome, jjfrv8, so basically the issue relates to changes in the system-config-printer
[14:14] <slickymasterWork> package
[14:15] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, yes, I think so. That setting appears to be the default now. I tested it and it does seem to work that way.
[14:16] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'm going to test it now, to see how it's now achievable
[14:20] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, I drafted a wording change as a suggestion: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/+junk/print-server-settings
[14:20] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8, seeing your commit
[14:21] <slickymasterWork> lol
[14:21] <slickymasterWork> do you want me to assign to bug to you, jjfrv8?
[14:21] <slickymasterWork> s/to/the
[14:23] <jjfrv8> that's okay with me. Just let me know if you think the change is good or if you'd rather do it another way.
[14:37] <jjfrv8> bbiab
[14:39] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto/+bug/1314829
[14:43] <slickymasterWork> damn connection
[14:43] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8, your rewording works for me
[14:44] <slickymasterWork> do you want me to merge or will you do it yourself?
[15:14] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, I'll let you do the merge. I'd probably screw it up.
[15:15] <slickymasterWork> lol jjfrv8
[15:16] <slickymasterWork> it will be my first one, but that's one of the reasons for wanting to do it
[15:16] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, should I do an MP or can you do it from junk?
[15:16] <slickymasterWork> good question, jjfrv8. Probably it would be better if you do a proper MP
[15:18] <jjfrv8> ok. I haven't verified that it looks the same in Utopic yet. Probly need to do that.  And then do I need to pull separate versions from T and U?
[15:18] <slickymasterWork> probably not
[15:19] <slickymasterWork> I'm running utopic and so far the package in question is exactly the same
[15:19] <jjfrv8> ah, good.
[15:20] <slickymasterWork> and if by any chances it gets changed we can always reproduce that change
[15:20] <jjfrv8> yeah, it's still early for that.
[15:20] <slickymasterWork> yes
[15:21] <slickymasterWork> I'll just be able to merge later this evening though
[15:21] <slickymasterWork> over here at work I'm bind to port 80, communicating to the exterior
[15:24] <jjfrv8> ok, MP into Trusty is there for you.
[15:39] <ochosi> jjfrv8, slickymaster: btw, since both of you know xubuntu from a very specific viewpoint, i'd be interested to hear where you think we should improve htings
[15:39] <ochosi> things
[15:40] <ochosi> this is more a general remark though, so always feel free to speak up if you feel you're documenting a silly procedure that users have to undergo to achieve goal X – at least if it's something that is under our control somehow
[17:18] <elfy> ochosi: 10UTC is fine with me - I'll wait for you to tell me which day I'm choosing :D
[17:35] <Unit193> knome: Well, to be more precise, it happens every time on real boxes, but in chroots it's fine.
[17:35] <knome> aha
[20:37] <knome> Unit193, entities aren't loaded correctly for the docs
[20:38] <Unit193> knome: Are you having the same problem?
[20:38] <slickymaster> that's it Unit193
[20:38] <slickymaster> Unit193: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/06/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t09:20
[20:39] <slickymaster> and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/06/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t11:17
[20:39] <Unit193> I've known translations had a problem, but they validate in a chroot fine, just not on any hardware.
[20:39] <knome> Unit193, yeah, but not with the english version, only translations
[20:40] <Unit193> Exactly, only translations.
[20:40] <knome> Unit193, if you look at the translation xml files, they lack the %xubuntu-ent; lines
[20:40] <slickymaster> the exception is that I got it also with the english version
[20:40] <knome> so is it the xml2po process that removes that?
[20:40] <knome> and why/how didn't that happen before?
[20:40] <Unit193> <!ENTITY % xubuntu-ent SYSTEM "../libs/xubuntu.ent">
[20:41] <knome> yes
[20:41] <knome> but the following line
[20:41] <knome> see the main xml files
[20:42] <slickymaster> knome, going to need your assistance on something
[20:42] <knome> slickymaster, you should know you can ask in 5 minutes ;9
[20:43] <knome> well 4
[20:43] <knome> + 1-4
[20:43] <Unit193> gnome-doc-utils shouldn't be the problem at least, hasn't changed in a while.
[20:43] <slickymaster> regarding bug 1299743, jjfrv8 and I got sorted out early this afternoon and jjfrv8 already made a MP
[20:44] <knome> slickymaster, noticed
[20:44] <slickymaster> thing is I never have made a merge
[20:44] <knome> i'll help you once the first period is over
[20:44] <slickymaster> how do I go about doing it?
[20:44] <slickymaster> your seeing the soccer match?
[20:44] <knome> yep
[20:44] <knome> (you're)
[20:44] <slickymaster> is Brazil loosing?
[20:45] <knome> no, it's 1-1
[20:45] <elfy> not now the ref's cheated
[20:45] <knome> they did an own goal though...
[20:45] <slickymaster> that I knew, Marcelo, wasn't it?
[20:45] <knome> well their goal was fair
[20:45] <knome> yeah
[20:45] <knome> neymar tied
[20:46] <slickymaster> watching now :)
[20:46] <knome> has been kind of boring after the second goal...
[20:48] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/1321869
[20:48] <knome> aha
[20:49] <slickymaster> good catch Unit193
[20:49] <knome> fixed three days ago, but i still had it today?
[20:49] <slickymaster> yeaps
[20:49] <knome> slickymaster, ok, so there are basically two ways to do it:
[20:50] <slickymaster> shoot knome
[20:50] <knome> the first one is how i do it, and it's the most straightforward, BUT it doesn't preserve the person doing the merge proposal as the committer
[20:50] <knome> basically, three steps
[20:50] <knome> 1) make sure you have the latest main branch
[20:51] <knome> 2) bzr merge lp:~somebody/xubuntu-docs/their-branch
[20:51] <knome> 3) bzr commit -m "Merge Somebody's branch." && bzr push
[20:52] <Unit193> knome: No, downgrade and you're good.
[20:52] <slickymaster> that somebody is step 2 is exactly who, or what knome?
[20:52] <Unit193> apt-get download libxml2=2.9.1+dfsg1-3ubuntu4 libxml2-utils=2.9.1+dfsg1-3ubuntu4 python-libxml2=2.9.1+dfsg1-3ubuntu4
[20:53] <knome> between 2 and 3 you might run into conflicts, if the person doing the merge proposal has used an old revision to base their branch, and same files have been changed in both their branch and the main branch
[20:53] <knome> slickymaster, in this case, it's jack
[20:53] <knome> slickymaster, whoever's branch it is you are merging
[20:53] <slickymaster> but it's his LP alias, right?
[20:53] <knome> slickymaster, yep. the merge command is always shown in the merge proposal
[20:54] <knome> slickymaster, in https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/xubuntu-docs/print-server-settings/+merge/222962
[20:54] <knome> slickymaster, see "To merge this branch"
[20:54] <slickymaster> ok knome
[20:55] <knome> the other way, just for completeness:
[20:55] <knome> 1) branch the proposed branch (in this case, lp:~jjfrv8...)
[20:55] <knome> 2) bzr merge lp:xubuntu-docs
[20:56] <knome> 3) (i think) bzr commit -m 'Merge with main'
[20:56] <knome> 4) bzr push lp:xubuntu-docs
[20:57] <slickymaster> I'll go with your first one knome
[20:57] <slickymaster> one last thing knome, there's no need to update the changelog just for this merge, or is it?
[20:57] <slickymaster> s/is it/is there
[20:57] <knome> well, it depends how verbose you want to be with the changelog
[20:57] <slickymaster> as scarce as possible
[20:57] <knome> lol
[20:58] <knome> well, let's go through this case, because there is a nice thing about it
[20:58] <slickymaster> which is...
[20:58] <knome> if you write: * Fix the printing chapter to remove a reference to obsolete setting (LP: #1299743)
[20:59] <knome> then the bug status can be tracked automatically based on the status of the upload/process
[20:59] <slickymaster> yes
[20:59] <knome> so i'm kind of in favor of listing everything that has been a bug
[21:00] <slickymaster> agree
[21:00] <slickymaster> so, I do it in jjfrv8's branch, before merging it, right?
[21:01] <knome> and since you are merging with the first way, that's the only way jack can actually be attributed
[21:01] <knome> you can do it after the bzr merge command
[21:01] <slickymaster> and then commit it
[21:01] <knome> then when doing bzr commit, just note you are merging and updating the changelog
[21:01] <knome> yep
[21:01] <slickymaster> think I got it
[21:02] <knome> feel free to ask if there is something else
[21:02] <slickymaster> but as the second period is about to start, I'll wait for the end of the game to do it
[21:02] <knome> hehe, i understand ;)
[21:02] <knome> Unit193, i don't like downgrading :)
[21:03] <Unit193> Understandable.
[21:07] <Unit193> So, how do you fix it?
[21:07] <knome> no idea.
[21:52] <Unit193> knome: Fixed it.
[21:52] <knome> Unit193, great! what did you do?
[21:52] <slickymaster> how did you fix it Unit193?
[21:52] <Unit193> knome: I patched and recompiled libxml2.
[21:52] <knome> lol
[21:52] <knome> that's not a fix for us..
[21:53] <slickymaster> exactly :P
[21:53] <Unit193> No really, they did it wrong.  It should be a fix for Ubuntu.
[21:53] <knome> probably :)
[21:53] <knome> please propose it.
[21:55] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/libxml2/trusty-security/revision/73#debian/patches/lp1321869.patch != https://git.gnome.org/browse/libxml2/commit/?id=dd8367da17c2948981a51e52c8a6beb445edf825
[21:55] <knome> great...
[22:00] <Unit193> Can I just comment on the current regression bug? :/
[22:01] <knome> whatever gets the bug fixed.
[22:02] <Unit193>  --Translating pt
[22:02] <Unit193> Validating pt/index.xml ...
[22:02] <Unit193> It's fixed already. :D
[22:02] <slickymaster> great, Thanks Unit193
[22:03] <knome> Unit193, for you, again..
[22:04] <slickymaster> knome: running the merge command I got:
[22:04] <slickymaster> Conflict adding file desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po.  Moved existing file to desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po.moved.
[22:04] <slickymaster> Text conflict in desktop-guide/po/fr.po
[22:04] <slickymaster> 2 conflicts encountered.
[22:05] <knome> slickymaster, yeah... i told you about conflicts :P
[22:05] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/1321869 hopefully that's good enough.
[22:05] <slickymaster> yeah, I rememver
[22:05] <slickymaster> how do I solve it?
[22:06] <knome> slickymaster, if i understand correctly, *.moved files are the old ones
[22:07] <knome> slickymaster, so basically, remove those, then run: bzr resolve
[22:07] <knome> i'd double-check if they are the right files
[22:08] <slickymaster> knome: in xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/po/ I just have one .moved file
[22:09] <knome> let me check what i get.
[22:10] <knome> yeah, the other ones are .BASE .OTHER .THIS
[22:10] <Unit193> Yeeeeeah, useless bzr...
[22:10] <knome> the .moved file is smaller than the non-.moved
[22:10] <slickymaster> remove all three also
[22:10] <knome> so i'd remove .moved
[22:10] <slickymaster> yes...
[22:11] <slickymaster> what about the .BASE .OTHER .THIS
[22:11] <slickymaster> ?
[22:13] <knome> so, that's a text conflict
[22:13] <knome> let me check how to do this the least manual way
[22:13] <knome> which is what i usually do..
[22:13] <slickymaster> yes, in the french po and english po
[22:13] <slickymaster> oki dokie
[22:14] <slickymaster> I'll wait for your lead
[22:17] <knome> if you want the .THIS file, then:
[22:17] <knome> bzr resolve desktop-guide/po/fr.po --take-this
[22:18] <slickymaster> 1 conflict resolved, 1 remaining
[22:18] <knome> yep, now have you removed the .moved file?
[22:19] <slickymaster> yes
[22:19] <knome> then just issue: bzr resolve
[22:19] <knome> and it'll notice you've resolved that as well
[22:19] <slickymaster> Remaining conflicts:
[22:19] <slickymaster> Conflict adding file desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po.  Moved existing file to desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po.moved.
[22:19] <slickymaster> it got created again
[22:20] <knome> lol
[22:20] <knome> weird...
[22:21] <knome> bzr resolve desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po --take-other
[22:21] <knome> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-reference/conflict-types-help.html
[22:21] <knome> that's useful
[22:21] <slickymaster> stranger because if I  ls -la desktop-guide/po/
[22:21] <slickymaster> there's no .moved file
[22:23] <slickymaster> and that seemed to be the culprit
[22:23] <slickymaster> bzr resolve desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po --take-other
[22:23] <slickymaster> desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po.moved does not exist.
[22:23] <slickymaster> 1 conflict resolved, 0 remaining
[22:23] <slickymaster> proceeding with the merge
[22:23] <knome> good
[22:24] <slickymaster> nopes knome
[22:25] <slickymaster> now it's complaining about bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/" has uncommitted changes
[22:25] <slickymaster> bzr status gives me slickymaster@PaPir:~/xubuntu-docs$ bzr status
[22:25] <slickymaster> removed: desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po
[22:25] <slickymaster> added: desktop-guide/po/en_GB.po
[22:25] <slickymaster> modified: desktop-guide/C/printing-scanning.xml
[22:25] <slickymaster> pending merge tips: (use -v to see all merge revisions) Jack Fromm 2014-06-12 Revised Printing-Scanning chapter to remove obsolete sharing reference.
[22:25] <knome> yeah.. because you didn't commit
[22:25] <knome> i told you to do that before pushing :)
[22:25] <slickymaster> so, I must commit before merging?
[22:25] <knome> also remember to edit the changelog
[22:26] <knome> no,
[22:26] <knome> you should merge, then commit
[22:26] <knome> remember, commit is a local action until you've pushed
[22:26] <slickymaster> I got that when I issue the merge command
[22:26] <knome> the second time?
[22:26] <knome> you only need to run it once.
[22:26] <slickymaster> way before the commit && push commands
[22:27] <knome> conflicts do not mean the merge action is canceled
[22:27] <knome> it's done anyway
[22:27] <slickymaster> oh, so my first merge command did it
[22:27] <knome> but you're left with a broken state
[22:27] <knome> yeah.
[22:27] <slickymaster> now I get it
[22:27] <knome> the conflicts just mean that doing the merge you have things you need to resolve
[22:27] <knome> before committing
[22:28] <slickymaster> so, I now can just and go ahead editing the changelog, commit && push
[22:28] <knome> yep
[22:28] <slickymaster> always learning
[22:28] <slickymaster> that's why yopu're my tutor
[22:28] <slickymaster> not my grammar police
[22:28] <knome> ;)
[22:28] <slickymaster> and spelling cop
[22:31] <knome> am i not your grammar police :P
[22:32] <slickymaster> knome: one other thing should I edit under 14.04.1 or 14.10?
[22:33] <knome> for starters, always something that says UNRELEASED
[22:33] <slickymaster> in the changelog
[22:33] <slickymaster> just the 14.10 has the UNRELEASED
[22:33] <knome> if we were staging this for an SRU, we would want to create a new release
[22:33] <knome> 14.04.2
[22:33] <knome> since 14.04.1 is already released, we can't change that any more
[22:34] <knome> but since we are preparing this for 14.10, it should be that
[22:34] <slickymaster> not seeing/getting 14.04.2
[22:34] <knome> no
[22:34] <knome> because we haven't initialized that version yet :)
[22:34] <knome> but if/when we do SRU's, we'll do that
[22:34] <slickymaster> oh, dumb me
[22:35] <knome> but yeah, general rule is: *never* touch releases that aren't UNRELEASED
[22:40] <slickymaster> knome: when pushing bzr is naging about bzr: ERROR: No push location known or specified.
[22:40] <slickymaster> do I bzr push :parent ?
[22:42] <knome> to be sure, you can do: bzr push lp:xubuntu-docs
[22:42] <slickymaster> ok
[22:43] <knome> but :parent *should* be the same
[22:43] <slickymaster> Pushed up to revision 206.
[22:44] <knome> that should be it then
[22:44] <knome> usually you don't need to do the conflict resolving, so the process will be quite a bit quicker
[22:45] <knome> well, usually and usually.. at least in an ideal situation
[22:45] <slickymaster> is it normal that at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/trusty isn't showing it up yet?
[22:46] <knome> yes... you pushed to the utopic branch
[22:46] <slickymaster> saw that right after typing :P
[22:46] <slickymaster> lol
[22:58] <Unit193> knome: So we supposed to ping someone or something to poke it?
[23:00] <knome> Unit193, mdeslauriers?
[23:01] <slickymaster> the bud was inittialy assigned ti him
[23:01] <slickymaster> s/bud/bug
[23:01] <slickymaster> not the beer
[23:05] <knome> and fixed by him.
[23:05] <slickymaster> yes
[23:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Congrats.
[23:12] <knome> yay
[23:15] <slickymaster> hey you two got the ML first. Just got it now
[23:15] <Unit193> knome: Feel like you haven't done enough today?  Want to finish off that translation crap/
[23:15] <Unit193> slickymaster: And the reply.
[23:15] <slickymaster> Congrats bluesabre
[23:16] <knome> Unit193, probably yeah... we could look that over the weekend though, if you are around
[23:18] <Unit193> Depends, but should work out, if you don't need Friday night.
[23:20] <knome> not really
[23:34] <brainwash> should this page be removed? https://launchpad.net/notification-daemon-xfce
[23:35] <knome> probably
[23:35]  * knome looks at ochosi
[23:36] <brainwash> mmh, https://launchpad.net/xfce-project
[23:36] <brainwash> some more changes might be needed
[23:36] <brainwash> like adding Parole
[23:38] <brainwash> and removing xfmedia
[23:39] <brainwash> this Xfce project overview site appears to be a little bit outdated :)


[00:05] <Styil> Hello, I’m doing a fresh install of Ubuntu and was hoping I could get some help
[00:05] <Styil> What should the boot loader installation location be
[00:06] <Styil> I have windows installed on a separate drive from where I want Ubuntu installed, everything is gpt, should I choose the boot loader installation location to be the windows efi partition or something else?
[00:09] <Bashing-om> Styil: My suggestuion - install grub to the drive ( the device not the partition) that holds ubuntu - that way Windows does not affect the boot loader and you can boot Windows from grub or bios.
[00:23] <kenwoodfox> day 2 of trying to setup LACP :3
[00:23] <kenwoodfox> let me upload my config here see if anybody new has comments
[00:45] <kenwoodfox> https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/dC3Yj6j7Ln47fCD/preview
[00:46] <kenwoodfox> any ideas why its not working?
[01:04] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: I wonder what happens with the dhcp4: true and dhcp4: false both in the bond0: section
[01:04] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: I also wonder what happens with double-definitions of enp?s0: nics in both files
[01:04] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: oh you're right, i left that in there from last night, ill try removing it
[01:04] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: double definitions?
[01:05] <sarnold> yeah, pretend I copy-and-pasted the bits into here :)
[01:05] <kenwoodfox> Im not sure what you mean, sorry the config is so nasty to read
[01:05] <kenwoodfox> the network is down so im doing this over kvm :/
[01:08] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: sorry, maybe its the def in 02 bonding that is messing me up?
[01:08] <kenwoodfox> https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/X7pnHAP9x2Z2mwi/preview
[01:08] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: yeah, that's the one :)
[01:08] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: see what happens if pop those out and rebuild the configs
[01:08] <kenwoodfox> ok, ill give it a go
[01:09] <kenwoodfox> https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/FsT6qXkWaKbwa3t/preview
[01:09] <kenwoodfox> heres what pharsed
[01:09] <kenwoodfox> ping still dosent seem to work
[01:10] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: what does networkctl report?
[01:11] <kenwoodfox> https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/PXiPmbm53YMDsFJ/preview
[01:11] <kenwoodfox> SrPx:
[01:11] <kenwoodfox> sarnold:
[01:11] <kenwoodfox> sorry SrPx i dident mean to alert you
[01:12] <sarnold> hmm that looks pretty promising.. ip a ? ip r?
[01:20] <kenwoodfox> sorry for the delay, i dident get notified
[01:20] <kenwoodfox> here we go sarnold https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/Q6i9xWEyKrXJnDS/preview
[01:20] <kenwoodfox> again thanks so much for the help
[01:23] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: sweet!
[01:23] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: XD no still not working
[01:23] <kenwoodfox> sorry i made it sound like we got it working XD
[01:23] <kenwoodfox> darn :C thats sad
[01:24] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: oh :/ I thought since it's got an IP address and has routing to the network, it was working :) heh
[01:24] <kenwoodfox> Yeah i wish it was working :c shoot
[01:24] <kenwoodfox> cant ping anything
[01:24] <kenwoodfox> i have some debian servers on this same switch and they seem to work fine
[01:24] <sarnold> just to be clear, are you trying to ping things within the subnet? or off the subnet?
[01:24] <kenwoodfox> within the subnet
[01:25] <sarnold> :(
[01:25] <sarnold> what errors do you get form the ping?
[01:25] <kenwoodfox> https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/aLkGo6AztRq9LSZ/preview
[01:25] <sarnold> are there any errors on your switch that might tell you if it sees problems with the bond?
[01:25] <sarnold> or maybe errors in dmesg?
[01:26] <kenwoodfox> if i check the interface it says its suspended, like it would if i had plugged a non-configured ethernet port into it from like a laptop not setup for lacp
[01:26] <kenwoodfox> checking dmesg
[01:26] <kenwoodfox> https://kitsunehosting.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/SkryB8fMoTzxc6C/preview
[01:28] <kenwoodfox> Oh
[01:28] <kenwoodfox> i fixed it
[01:28] <sarnold> woot!
[01:28] <kenwoodfox> yay!
[01:28] <kenwoodfox> i had to enable trunk on my switch?
[01:28] <kenwoodfox> if i were more concerned about security id do something more to explore why that made it work
[01:28] <kenwoodfox> but im not atm so i wont :3
[01:31] <bluefox83> is there a quick and easy way to find out how hot my laptop is running? it's been on my lap about 5 minutes and wooooooooo, i'm not cold anymore >.>
[01:33] <Bashing-om> bluefox83: Try ' cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ' .
[01:35] <Tabmow> bluefox83: sudo apt install lm-sensors <-- i find that useful. Then you can just 'sudo sensors-detect && sudo sensors' to check.
[01:40] <bluefox83> it's asking an awful lot of freaking questions i don't know the answers to :(
[01:40] <bonhoeffer> i'm trying to set up a secure tunnel, but "ssh -L 63333:localhost:5432<EMAIL_ADDRESS>logs me in
[01:40] <bonhoeffer> is that the correct response
[01:41] <bluefox83> is there a "just test all the things" option? because this is just nuts...
[01:43] <bluefox83> that was an awful lot of questions for a bunch on stuff in C :(
[01:47] <sarnold> bonhoeffer: yeah, that tunnel should work until you log out
[01:48] <tomreyn> bluefox83: sensors-detect --auto      next time
[01:48] <tomreyn> + sudo
[01:49] <tomreyn> (but you usually don't need to run it more than once unless you have a very recent mainboard.)
[01:49] <sarnold> oh man that program more than others definitely needs an --auto :)
[01:50] <sarnold> a --this-century switch would be nice too, something to skip all the crufty old junk
[01:50] <tomreyn> hehehe
[02:28] <fargi6> if I monitor the list of mount points on a ubuntu system, I have to account for new mount points under /snap .  How do I know /snap/* is a legitimate mount and not something bad?
[05:56] <Maik> morning
[07:59] <tete_> hi, when i was using fedora/centos, i had that nice feature (some kind of reverse search) when i e.g. connected to some different ssh servers and then entered thousands of different commands, i was able to just write "ssh", then hit "page up" and the bash jumped through the commands that started with ssh
[07:59] <tete_> can someone tell me how to achieve that in ubuntu? i never had to configure that myself, guess thats something in .bashrc with that reverse search but no idea how to make it that only those specific commands are available on page up :/
[08:03] <EriC^> tete_: use ctrl+shift+r
[08:03] <EriC^> then ctrl+r to go to the next command that it finds
[08:04] <EriC^> tete_: sorry, ctrl+r, then then ctrl + r
[08:04] <tete_> hm thanks, looks like that but ... was much easier with pg up and pg down :>
[08:05] <EriC^> tete_: ctrl+r is the more universal approach, might as well get used to it too
[08:13] <arahael> tete_: In general, I find that either fish or zsh tend to be a bit better at that sort of autocompletion.
[08:13] <arahael> (fish is not sh compatible, and is a bit niche)
[08:23] <geirha> tete_: first, find what escape sequence page up produces in the current terminal emulator by hitting Ctrl+V then Page Up
[08:34] <tete_> geirha, ^[[5~
[08:34] <tete_> does that tell you anything? :D
[08:35] <geirha> yes, then   bind '"\e[5~": history-search-backward'   should add the keybinding you want
[08:35] <geirha> you can put that line in ~/.bashrc
[09:08] <varaindemian_> any downside of using snaps?
[09:08] <varaindemian_> or should I install the .deb package?
[09:09] <sub526> I tried to install jenkins on Ubuntu 18.04 machine by adding Jenkins repository to the system with "sudo sh -c 'echo deb http://pkg.jenkins.io/debian-stable binary/ > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jenkins.list'
[09:09] <sub526> ", after that sudo apt update resulted error "E: The repository 'http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian-stable binary/ Release' is not signed."  "N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default." - how to resolve it?
[09:12] <andyyyyy> hello
[09:12] <andyyyyy> i need help with chinese character input
[09:13] <andyyyyy> I went to settings, language and input methosed, added there Chinese and it initially worked
[09:14] <andyyyyy> I then wen there again and clicked the cogwheel and chose that it be separate for each window
[09:14] <andyyyyy> since then it is broken. so I went ther eand switched back to gloabal setting for all windows, but it didn't fix it
[09:16] <andyyyyy> I do have the language indicator in the top bar next to wifi indicator, and super+space does change it to show zh (for Chinese), but typing i only get normal letters
[09:18] <andyyyyy> what can i do to actually be writing in chinese again?
[09:19] <FreeBDSM> hi. Ubuntu 20.04. Atril Document viewer now fails to render pdf fonts properly. Instead of cyrillic I see gibberish signs.
[09:22] <kiwi_banal> @andyyyyy this may help: https://linuxconfig.org/change-system-language-on-ubuntu-20-04-from-command-line
[09:23] <kiwi_banal> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[09:31] <FreeBDSM> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zathura if both zathura is installed along with both zathura-pdf-mupdf and zathura-pdf-poppler which both are capable of pdf rendering - how to switch between them?
[09:31] <FreeBDSM> I just learned that poppler (and thus zathura-pdf-poppler) is shit
[09:32] <FreeBDSM> ah, crap, there's no zathura-pdf-mupdf...
[09:33] <FreeBDSM> so ubuntu is just not capable of rendering pdfs
[09:33] <andyyyyy> @kiwi banal: will that only enable chinese writing or will that set the entire computer to chinese?
[09:34] <andyyyyy> Chinese is not my native language, and I would not be able to use the ocmputer at all, were it in Chinese, I've just strated to learn chinese and need to be able to write in chinese characters for school
[09:35] <kiwi_banal> @andyyyyy: I'm not certain, sorry. I just ran the command now on my system and you do get to choose extra languages
[09:35] <kiwi_banal> ... so it should be safe (he said from a distance)
[09:44] <andyyyyy> i have done that
[09:44] <andyyyyy> it was verz slow
[09:44] <andyyyyy> it has generated a lot of locales now
[09:44] <andyyyyy> still no chinese letters though
[09:44] <andyyyyy> neither in terminal nor here
[09:45] <andyyyyy> i added just to trz, arabic, via the ordinarz waz in gui
[09:45] <andyyyyy> and arabic works
[09:45] <giaco> I'm having random freezes that requires hard reset on my ubuntu 20.04 laptop. How can I get last log lines before forced reboot?
[09:46] <andyyyyy> شبتنسشتبسشنمبييي
[09:46] <andyyyyy> but not chinese
[09:48] <FreeBDSM> giaco: sudo journalctl -b -1
[09:49] <tete_> geirha, perfect, thanks! exactly what i was looking for :)
[09:50] <varaindemian_> anybody?
[09:50] <tete_> varaindemian_, tbh i dont like snaps
[09:50] <varaindemian_> I am planning to install visual studio code and idk what to choose between .deb and snap
[09:50] <tete_> it depends on the use case
[09:51] <varaindemian_> tete_, why?
[09:51] <geirha> tete_: You might want a similar binding for page down for history-search-forward as well, so you can move back and forth
[09:51] <tete_> geirha, already have it :)
[09:51] <tete_> it was the 6 instead of 5 for pg down, works like a charm!
[09:51] <varaindemian_> tete_, so should I go for the .deb?
[09:52] <tete_> varaindemian_, because snap is not "open", its a proprietary thing, thats why i would prefer flatpak
[09:52] <tete_> and i had some trouble with fs access when using snap
[09:53] <tete_> *i* would use snap only for applications that do work alone or provide some interface that i know i can access it without too much configuration stuff, but in general i prefer the .deb
[10:08] <kiwi_banal> @andyyyyy: Apart from suggesting a reboot, I'm not sure how to fix your issue.
[10:15] <ioanm_otg> hello, question in Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, is there any official Linux kernel package that ships me a 5.9 or 5.10
[10:15] <ioanm_otg> I have the 14IIL05 Lenovo Ideapad, which has a touchpad that needs 5.9 or 5.10 laptop, there is an issue currently about this. So I can set pci=nocrs and have it work :-)
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> ioanm_otg: no, latest non-lts still has 5.8 but you can temporary test the !mainline kernels if you like
[10:17] <ioanm_otg> lotuspsychje: I see, that is a problem ...
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> ioanm_otg: why?
[10:17] <ioanm_otg> cause the touchpad on my machine does not work at all
[10:17] <ioanm_otg> on < 5.9 :D
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> ioanm_otg: did you file a bug for your issue on ubuntu?
[10:17] <ioanm_otg> there are 2 already :-)
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> ioanm_otg: bug ID please?
[10:18] <ioanm_otg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1878279
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[10:19] <ioanm_otg> lotuspsychje: long story short, kernel newer or equal to 5.9 and pci=nocrs is the only workaround that exists now.
[10:20] <ioanm_otg> I'd set the touchpad to PS2, but Lenovo disabled that bios feature ...
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> ioanm_otg: ok, that bug seems pretty active, good news things are in motion, the devs know about, think patience is needed here
[10:21] <ioanm_otg> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208171 <- this one too
[10:21] <ioanm_otg> lotuspsychje:  14IIL05 and 14ARE05 use the same touchpad with MSFT0004
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> i see
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> ioanm_otg: you could ping the #ubuntu-kernel guys if you like to ask what else you can try to help/test
[10:30] <varaindemian_> tete_, does the .deb package of visual sutdio code update at the same time with the system?
[10:34] <tete_> not sure if there will be a popup informing you of a new version, but i am very sure it wont update itself
[10:35] <tete_> i am new to ubuntu, i was using fedora the last 10+ years, no idea if there is a vs code repo available
[10:35] <tete_> https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux
[10:35] <tete_> Installing the .deb package will automatically install the apt repository and signing key to enable auto-updating using the system's package manager.
[10:36] <tete_> so if you install it, it will automatically add the repo and when you do an apt update && apt upgrade it will update vs code too
[10:37] <tete_> but i also dont like vs code... had to use it for an embedded (iot) project, but i would prefer jetbrains IDEs ;)
[11:00] <Novell> Hi, anyone know how to make libvirt use dhcpd instead of dnsmasq ?
[11:13] <varaindemian_> tete_, as long as it is free
[11:13] <varaindemian_> and covers most languages
[11:13] <varaindemian_> + tons of features
[11:13] <varaindemian_> why not
[11:13] <varaindemian_> I'll do python
[11:14] <tete_> varaindemian_, its the same with womans. some like red hair, some dont. i dont like vs code, i prefer jetbrains. 10 years ago i prefered netbeans
[11:28] <tete_> i followed this tutorial https://www.reddit.com/r/rocksmith/comments/jxngpx/howto_rocksmith_2014_on_linux_with_steamproton/ but when i register the wineasio.dll with regsrv32, and then execute the regedit, i have no HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\WineASIO
[11:28] <tete_> do i have to restart something to have those created?
[11:30] <varaindemian_> tete_, installing the app from the gui "Ubuntu Software" app is the same thing as installing it through the terminal?
[11:30] <varaindemian_> tete_, in general
[11:30] <varaindemian_> tete_, and btw, why did you move to ubuntu?
[11:31] <tete_> it makes no difference if you use any ui for installing software or use apt or dpkg etc. - in the end everything is, more or less, the same, but some tools just provide more features
[11:31] <tete_> i moved to ubuntu to see if rocksmith works better and most guides are made for ubuntu, not for fedora
[11:32] <tete_> atm i try to get rocksmith working with my old focusrite, and the only guide i found is for ubuntu... i have no problem with switching distributions and/or programming languages, i take what i need depending on the purpose :)
[11:33] <varaindemian_> true
[11:33] <varaindemian_> thanks tete_
[11:58] <cbreak> varaindemian_: I think the gui thingie might use snap
[12:00] <varaindemian_> cbreak, bad thing
[12:21] <ali1234> why has my nvidia driver randomly stopped working today?
[12:21] <ali1234> it was working fine yesterday
[12:21] <ST_637> Mine still works
[12:21] <ali1234> the only clue is this on dmesg: "[1719298.327341] NVRM: client does not support versioning!!"
[12:22] <ali1234> anything that uses opengl or CUDA fails to run
[12:22] <ali1234> i haven't even rebooted
[12:23] <ali1234> 2021-01-12 06:12:26 upgrade libnvidia-common-455:all 455.38-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> 460.32.03-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:23] <ali1234> hmm i wonder if that might be related (dpkg.log)
[12:25] <ali1234> i assume that is a security update? because i don't have unattended upgrades enabled
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: wich kernel are you on please
[12:26] <ali1234> Linux al-desktop 5.4.0-58-generic #64-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 9 08:16:25 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: ok, have you tryed switching a driver version?
[12:26] <ali1234> no, i haven't done anything
[12:27] <ali1234> i literally turned on my computer this morning and all the software that tries to use CUDA had crashed
[12:27] <ali1234> i mean, i turned on my monitor, i never actually turn my computer off
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: cuda, did you install that from the nvidia site?
[12:28] <kre10> hey guys, I have mounted a network storage device(timecapsule) via cifs. The thing is, my NextCloud container can't write his data folder there, because the network storage is mounted with root access. Can you advice, please?
[12:29] <ali1234> i can't remember, i don't think so though, let me check
[12:30] <ali1234> it's not just CUDA though, opengl is broken too
[12:30] <ali1234> glxgears dies with "X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[12:30] <ali1234> Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[12:30] <ali1234> i expect it is just a version mismatch with the upgraded driver and a reboot will fix it
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: check your sources.list to findout if its the stock driver or the nvidia one
[12:34] <ali1234> the only nvidia source i have is nvidia-docker
[12:34] <ali1234> 460 driver came from focal-updates
[12:34] <ali1234> 455 driver doesn't seem to be available in any source any more
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: ok, so lets try to switch to one driver lower
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: check ubuntu-drivers list to see
[12:35] <ali1234> yeah 455 is not in the list any more
[12:35] <ali1234> and it says "you need to restart to complete driver changes"
[12:36] <ali1234> nvidia-driver-455 is now "transitional package for nvidia-driver-460"
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: you only got 460 in your list anymore?
[12:38] <ali1234> no, 450 is still there
[12:38] <ali1234> and 440
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: ok, try 450 then as a test
[12:38] <ali1234> well that's just going to ask me to reboot
[12:39] <ali1234> i'm going to try just rebooting first
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah graphics drivers need a reboot
[12:39] <ali1234> i can probably fix this, i'm just wondering what happened to 455?
[12:39] <ali1234> why was it removed by a security update?
[12:40] <ali1234> is there a CVE?
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> ali1234: for security questions you can query upon #ubuntu-hardened if you like
[12:41] <ali1234> https://ubuntu.com/security/cve?q=&package=nvidia-graphics-drivers-455 hmm
[12:42] <ali1234> three in fact
[12:42] <ali1234> fair enough then
[12:45] <tdm4> Hi.. does anyone know a reliable test to determine whether an Ubuntu server has the grub missing symbold problem (from July/August 2020) without actually rebooting it (and risking downtime)?
[12:47] <tdm4> from this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1889509
[12:48] <tdm4> would I be better off running debconf-get-selections and searching for grub-pc ans making sure it's pointing to the right disk?
[12:51] <Novell> ok so if no one knows how to make libvirt use dhcpd instead of dnsmasq.. does anyone know which version of dnsmasq I should downgrade to which actually works?
[12:52] <EriC^^> tdm4: you could firstly make a backup of the mbr
[13:09] <tdm4> EriC^^: sure but I want to be able to *detect* whether the MBR is wrong and wuld result in the aforementioned error
[13:15] <EriC^^> tdm4: well you could do that via virtualization but you'd need to be careful that it doesnt actually boot and only stays at the grub menu
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:47] <taty> hi, quick question, when i setup sftp under the connect to server thing upon first connection it goes to / (which is what i expect and want), however, if i then close the file browser and click the server connection again it's now in ~/. is there any way to prevent this?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> taty: filezilla has some settings to join in your dir you want
[13:49] <taty> that doesn't tie into the regular file browser though
[13:49] <taty> which makes it very annoying to use
[13:51] <utman> Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/python3.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::python3 module)
[13:51] <utman> please guide
[13:51] <utman> when i search this on cpan, module is not present
[13:51] <utman> trying to create debian package from my source files. On ubuntu 20.04
[13:55] <TJ-> utman: have you installed 'debhelper' and other build-depends ?
[13:56] <nomike> Hi
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> welcome nomike
[13:58] <utman> TJ-,  yes. Solved this by installing dh-python
[13:58] <nomike> There is a bug in a package which was recently fixed in upstream debian. Are these fixes automatically taken over by ubuntu, or does somebody need to be made aware of?
[13:58] <nomike> The package I'm talking about: https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/wesnoth
[13:59] <nomike> Fixed 10 days ago with release 1.14.15
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> nomike: whats the bug about, do you have the debian ID?
[14:04] <nomike> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=970520
[14:05] <nomike> "It was introduced by the
[14:05] <nomike> Debian builder, using libwolfssl, instead of openssl, due to licensing issues."
[14:06] <nomike> It was just a wrong include, nothing all too complicated.
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> nomike: we got an ubuntu bug about, can you see if its your issue? bug #1901843
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> nomike: seems like its pointing towards your debian ID, so if you also have this on ubuntu please affect it in the left upper corner
[14:12] <nomike> lotuspsychje, yes, this is the same issue. I marked myself as being affected and commented with a link to the upstream debian bug.
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> nomike: thank you, but it was already linked ontop wesnoth(debian) assigned to
[14:14] <nomike> Yes, I saw this after my comment. Was not sure if this was like that before or if my comment triggered this link somehow.
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> nomike: there is the channel #ubuntu-release to ping the package guys perhaps
[14:15] <nomike> But it's good to know this is being tracked. I'm not a gamer myself but I'm trying to fix it for one of my partners and at least there is the "--nocache" workaround for now.
[14:15] <nomike> lotuspsychje, thanks, I will head over there and ask the.
[14:16] <nomike> s/the./them/
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> ok, tnx nomike for the affect & buglove
[14:54] <andyyyyy> @kiwi banal: I'll try that again
[15:01] <Industrial> Hello. I have a MSI GT76 Titan laptop with a Nvidia GTX 2070 GFX card in it. Whenever I try to install an nvidia driver (I want to play Wine games with DXVK+Vulkan) and I reboot the system, I get a black screen (it turns off) when it hits GDM.
[15:01] <Industrial> I tried different versions of the nvidia driver. The latest one 460, also 450.
[15:02] <Industrial> I have to boot the liveiso and chroot into the system and remove the driver that way, to fix it.
[15:02] <Industrial> What could be wrong?
[15:03] <lordcirth> Industrial, nvidia laptops usually have PRIME/optimus. You should look at guides for those
[15:05] <Industrial> lordcirth: Thanks
[15:05] <Industrial> *transformers sound*
[15:18] <donofrio> anyone have steps for edge and iteams for ubuntu?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: can you elaborate what you want to do exactly, so volunteers can think along with you
[15:21] <donofrio> I have an ubuntu notebook that I'd like to use for an interview today, it is on teams and figure I need edge and teams for ubuntu?
[15:21] <donofrio> didn't know if it's "just in the repo's" or if special procedure to obtain them?
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: there is a teams and zoom snap if you like
[15:22] <donofrio> well, is there a real apt/deb/package for them
[15:27] <leftyfb> donofrio: not in the ubuntu repo's, no
[15:27] <leftyfb> donofrio: https://websiteforstudents.com/how-to-install-microsoft-teams-on-ubuntu-20-04-18-04/
[15:32] <hggdh> donofrio: there is also https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/microsoft-teams/download-app
[16:25] <dontlook> Polkit question, on Ubuntu I'm logged in as a non-sudo user.  When I open software and click install under VLC I get a prompt asking for the password of the first sudo user on the system
[16:25] <dontlook> there is no option to pick one of the other users on the system that are members of the sudo group
[16:26] <dontlook> anyone know how I make it so that I can pick any of the users that has sudo access
[16:26] <dontlook> pkexec bash in the cli lets me select any user that is a member of the sudo group
[16:43] <donofrio> leftyfb, that was a great link do you have one for edge?
[16:44] <leftyfb> donofrio: why do you think you need edge? Also, I only googled for "ubuntu microsoft teams"
[17:10] <frib> I can't enable network sharing on the server
[17:23] <RoseBus> ubuntu software update popup came up and i didn't read it and just clicked install.  Then I rebooted and now my sound & internet aren't working
[17:23] <RoseBus> it's plugged into ethernet, i tried rebooting twice and unplugging then replugging the network cable, no internet :(
[17:24] <Flatblack> Is the interface and so-on showing up if you do ip -a in a terminal/shell?
[17:32] <coconut> Any minimum kernel version for exfat devices?
[17:34] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm using Xubuntu focal and somehow I accidentially acquired the new shy scrollbars that hide when I want to scroll them and block my pointer when I want to click text near the edge of a window. :-( how do I switch to traditional scrollbars?
[17:40] <Sven_vB> fortunately it only affects some applications like gthumb, not others like sakura. overlay-scrollbar is not installed.
[17:40] <Sven_vB> neither overlay-scrollbar-gtk2
[17:41] <nibbon_> o/
[17:41] <nibbon_> is there anyone here that uses kdump?
[17:42] <nibbon_> is it possible to use it booting system from pxe?
[17:42] <nibbon_> I mean, I boot the system from tftp via pxe and I have a rootfs in memory
[17:43] <nibbon_> I installed kdump-tools and kexec following this guide https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/kernel-crash-dump
[17:43] <nibbon_> and set an nfs share to host the coredumo
[17:43] <nibbon_> *coredump
[17:44] <nibbon_> when I restart the process kdump-tool it complains that  mkinitramfs: failed to determine device for /
[17:44] <nibbon_> because a. I don't have an entry in fstab since the os is volitle
[17:45] <nibbon_> b.is rootfs on / type rootfs (rw,size=5242880k,nr_inodes=32265890)
[17:45] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, there are tutorials to boot GRUB via PXE, so I guess booting into an initranfs should not be a problem. the tricky part probably is creating a suitable initranfs.
[17:45] <Sven_vB> *initramfs
[17:46] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, what are you trying to achieve? build an initramfs with kdump in it?
[17:47] <nibbon_> I'm trying to install kdump to gather a core dump when/if my systems crash
[17:48] <nibbon_> just followed the ubuntu guide I linked but not having a persistent root device confused me
[17:48] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, what do you mean with system is volatile? do you usually boot from network?
[17:49] <nibbon_> Sven_vB: yes
[17:50] <nibbon_> so, I've been able to crash a system and have kexec booting a secondary kernel, however that one crashed too because it couldn't find a root device to mount
[17:51] <nibbon_> and the explanation I gave myself is that I don't have one
[17:52] <nibbon_> so now I'm wondering whether is doable using kdump booting the main os from network or if there is a way to let kexec boot the same kernel via pxe
[17:53] <choice> How can I tell my laptop that it should lock the screen when I close the lid? (lock screen and suspend would be even better)
[17:53] <nibbon_> for instance I found this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/groovy/man8/pxe-kexec.8.html but dunno whether I can use it as replacement of kexec
[17:54] <EriC^^> choice: there should be options for it under settings>power
[17:54] <choice> EriC^^: Unfortunately not.
[17:56] <Seiduna> hello, so apt search wgetpaste returns nothing on ubuntu server (20.04) on raspberry pi 4 (arm64)?
[17:56] <EriC^^> choice: you could do "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-battery-action suspend" and "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-ac-action suspend"
[17:57] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, just run the kexec from the initramfs. you don't need to switch_root. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/460219
[17:58] <choice> EriC^^: That will suspend. I think I already have that. But I want to lock the screen!
[17:58] <genii> Seiduna: On Debian/*buntu the program pastebinit is generally used for the same functionality
[17:58] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, kdump I meant, not kexec
[17:59] <EriC^^> choice: try settings > brightness&lock > require password after suspend
[18:00] <nibbon_> Sven_vB: you've lost me
[18:00] <choice> EriC^^: Awesome, thanks!
[18:00] <EriC^^> choice: no problem
[18:03] <nibbon_> Sven_vB: so what you're saying is to run kdump from the same initramfs but what if the mainkernel crashes? That one won't be available anymore and I would need a new one
[18:03] <nibbon_> coming either from a persistent storage or from the network
[18:03] <phillipsjk> Lol I managed to crash the Ubuntu-server installer a second timne by trying to make more than one device mounted on /boot. (For Md devices need to partiton, create MD devices, THEN set mouont point)
[18:03] <nibbon_> or am I missing smt?
[18:03] <Seiduna> genii: and it is already the newest version, thank you so much, i'll be back with links ;)
[18:10] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, I've no idea what you mean with main kernel. I meant the initramfs that complains due to missing fstab. that one isn't bootable currently, so if you replace that one with one that runs kdump, it should be an improvement.
[18:12] <Sven_vB> nibbon_, also your GRUB can choose which initramfs it should boot, so you can always put an experimental initramfs whereever (most easy: a local harddisk-like device) and and try it before making it the default.
[18:14] <phillipsjk> OK, my last planned course of action did not work: the "Create Software RAID (md)" option is now greyed out.
[18:17]  * phillipsjk feels like he is in untested waters with two crash reoprts under his belt in as many days.
[18:18] <dontlook> anyone have any pointers on where to look so the authorization windows created by polkit will let me pick which user to use?  Right now it only has one user available for that.
[18:19] <dontlook> I have multiple admin users on the machine
[18:24] <DarkTorMentor> Hi Lads, i tried to follow a guide in making the terminal red, when root-user is active. I did as written, rebooted, but it dont seem to have taken any effect?
[18:25] <phillipsjk> OK, I think I got it. Just had to use the "leave unformatted" option when creating the partitions. That also saved me from manually selecting "leave unmounted".
[18:29] <oerheks> DarkTorMentor, what guide exactly?
[18:29] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> DarkTorMentor: what kind of tutorial. did you change PS1?
[18:33] <DarkTorMentor> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/551017/red-terminal-font-when-root
[18:34] <DarkTorMentor> oerheks: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/551017/red-terminal-font-when-root k4rt0ff3lch33t4h: ill have a look. cheers
[18:35] <oerheks> No, that wouldnot work, edit /root/.bashrc like this debian howto https://lifehacker.com/use-a-different-color-for-the-root-shell-prompt-5195951
[18:35] <oerheks> or https://www.mogilowski.net/2011/12/29/color-bash-prompt-on-ubuntu-and-debian/
[18:36] <oerheks> ~/.bashrc  for user, /root/.bashrc for root
[18:36] <DarkTorMentor> oerheks: Thanks, you saved me again. :-)
[18:36] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:36] <DarkTorMentor> lol cheers
[18:49] <questionNaire> any recommended laptops for ubuntu? that is very hardware compatible, looking high end laptops
[18:50] <matsaman> questionNaire: is your requirement to spend money?
[18:50] <matsaman> or to satisfy some tangible hardware need
[18:51] <briar_blank> System76, Dell XPS Dev edition
[18:51] <oerheks> https://certification.ubuntu.com/ ...
[18:51] <oerheks> still the best test is a live iso.
[18:51] <coconut> questionNaire, for hardware support you want to select a laptop out of the pre-installed segment, i guess.
[18:51] <mefistofeles> some thinkpads are also good with linux, such as the X or P series
[18:52] <matsaman> many chromebooks (_that_ you can change the OS on) will have excellent GNU/Linux support
[18:52] <questionNaire> coconut okay, matsaman not really but when I got an apple via university last time, it didn't work well with ubuntu
[18:53] <mefistofeles> matsaman: not really high-end, are those?
[18:54] <matsaman> they aren't typically super expensive, if that's what you mean by high-end
[18:54] <matsaman> they have amazing GNU/Linux support, which to me gives them tremendous value
[18:56] <mefistofeles> matsaman: no, I mean, like build quality and advanced features and performance, but yeah, this is getting off-topic xD
[18:57] <matsaman> when's the last time you ran into a laptop with a "build quality" issue
[18:58] <matsaman> and if you want to hear about some, I can find you some people in #macos paying 2 and 4 times as much that still encounter them
[18:59] <coconut> questionNaire, personally i would buy an system76 if the money is not a topic... and an thinkpad X if you want the keyboard and touchpad great. Dunno where you order from, iirc system76 does not send to some countries.
[19:00] <oerheks> Dell gives good support too.
[19:00] <matsaman> all keyboards are equally bad on laptops at this point
[19:02] <u0_a406> because i punched my kbd when i missed the command spells on ubuntu
[19:03] <u0_a406> crowded
[19:04] <coconut> matsaman, thinkpad is still one of the greater ones imho(they say it was A LOT better when thinkpads came from from ibm).
[19:06] <matsaman> yes those are also ruined
[19:06] <matsaman> apple ruined all keyboards, everyone copied them
[19:11] <questionNaire> Ok I'm mainly doing deep learning with gpu on a desktop, but I'm travelling now. Do you guys think its worth buying a laptop with 32gb ram and high tier cpu, and buy an external gpu that I can plug to my desktop workstation later? or forget the gpu and invest a bit more in the laptop, even tho the laptop gpu will be way shittier. Planning to run
[19:11] <questionNaire> ubuntu on laptop, and run one on my desktop
[19:11] <coconut> matsaman, one of the reasons to not renew my old macbook pro 10.1 with a new macbook pro.... they make their keyboards worse every year.
[19:12] <matsaman> so I've heard
[19:12] <matsaman> although supposedly they stopped with the butterfly nonsense
[19:12] <matsaman> that still leaves a horrible chiclet/island keyboard with hardly any travel, though
[19:13] <matsaman> questionNaire: if you're always going to have networking, I wouldn't bother with a dedicated GPU on a laptop
[19:13] <matsaman> questionNaire: use the beefier, more affordable hardware of a remote workstation or SaaS
[19:13] <questionNaire> yup, way beefier
[19:14] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> i work on a lenovo b51-80 with 16gb ram. Pretty silent and stable. Although i've not used much of the video card.
[19:14] <questionNaire> honestly Im not even sure how much ram I need on laptop if I connect to my workstation  or server, both have 128gb ram+, maybe even 16gb is sufficient for a laptop, for programming
[19:15] <lordcirth> 16GB should be plenty for most things.  Not sure if installer assumed UEFI bios, or /boot on md ext4 partiton is incompatible.
[19:20] <matsaman> questionNaire: bad time to buy popular things
[19:21] <phillipsjk> I want the boot partion mirroed so that if a drive fails, I can still boot: without keeping them in sync in an error-prone manual manner.
[19:26] <questionNaire> matsaman do you think the third option is a good value https://lnv.gy/3nE32ZN  ? I'm taken a back bit with the 1650 geforce, isn't that very old tech or am I wrong?
[19:28] <matsaman> I think a dedicated GPU in a laptop is something almost nobody should go for
[19:29] <matsaman> it's incongruous to the purpose of a portable computer
[19:30] <matsaman> but sure, any thinkpad is going to be well built compared to many other things
[19:30]  * phillipsjk will try booting from DVD, then selecting "boot from harddisk" option.
[19:30] <matsaman> although I have a $140 chromebook from four years ago that's very well built
[19:32] <phillipsjk> ...Actually got a "boot failed" error message.
[19:32] <Polesch> Anything special you need to do to get the new RTX 3090 to work on ubuntu?
[19:33] <c0fe> Anyone else getting " nginx: [error] open() "/var/run/nginx.pid" failed (2: No such file or directory)" when performing "nginx -s reload" on Ubuntu 20.04 and NGiNX installed from their repo's?
[19:34]  * phillipsjk tries setting drives to "IDE" instead of "AHCI" mode in BIOS.
[19:36] <sarnold> phillipsjk: is that just a debugging step? I'm pretty sure ahci has been the better choice for ~dozen years or more
[19:36] <sarnold> c0fe: does namei -l /var/run/nginx.pid help any?
[19:37] <phillipsjk> sarnold, yes, no boot.
[19:37] <c0fe> sarnold: https://dpaste.com/F63SYHTU5 not really
[19:38] <sarnold> c0fe: hmm. I wonder where your pid file went. are you sure nginx is still running?
[19:38] <pavlos> c0fe: seems nginx was not shutdown properly. Is there a process runing? kill it, restart nginx
[19:40] <c0fe> no it's dead
[19:40] <c0fe>  /lib/systemd/system/nginx.service:9: PIDFile= references a path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/nginx.pid → /run/nginx.pid; please update the unit file accordingly.
[19:40]  * phillipsjk is currently reading through: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1156258/how-to-avoid-uefi-installation-without-uefi-how-to-have-ubuntu-19-w-o-uefi
[19:40] <c0fe> systemctl output
[19:40] <c0fe> this is a crunchy fresh install of nginx
[19:40] <sarnold> yeah, that part is normal
[19:41] <c0fe> but the process is dead
[19:41] <pavlos> c0fe: /var/run/ points to /run/
[19:41] <sarnold> c0fe: is there anything else in the systemctl status or journald -u nginx or nginx's own logs that would indicate why it's dead?
[19:43] <c0fe> no indication at all
[19:44] <sarnold> ouch
[19:45] <c0fe> this is running in an LXD container but i didn't have any issues with older version of Ubuntu or NGiNX
[19:45] <phillipsjk> Looks like the netboot work-aroound ios no longer supported: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/focal/
[19:46] <phillipsjk> I guess I can install the old immague, then do a dist-upgrade.
[19:46] <pavlos> c0fe: can you check that the pid in nginx.service is the same as the pid in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf
[19:46] <c0fe> pid        /var/run/nginx.pid;
[19:48] <sarnold> phillipsjk: perhaps http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/focal/daily/current/focal-legacy-server-amd64.iso ?
[19:48] <c0fe> so it is correct
[19:49] <c0fe> nevermind :|
[19:49] <c0fe> changing it to /run/nginx.pid seems to resolved the issue
[19:55] <phillipsjk> sarnold, will try it. May save me a dist-upgrade.
[19:57]  * phillipsjk currently running another round of dban, so computer will not be avialble for 10+ hours. (also wiping a USB stick to be used as boot media)
[19:59] <phillipsjk> LOL USB wipe completed already (1GB).
[20:02] <phillipsjk> sarnold, where did youo find that image? I would like to check the hash.
[20:03] <sarnold> phillipsjk: from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/focal/daily/current/
[20:03] <phillipsjk> Yeah, figured that out after asking :)
[20:10] <jayjo> I have a webcam that seems to time out, or not be found by my machine, after something like 24-36 hours. A restart always fixes it - is there a way to more manually restart the camera device?
[20:10] <jayjo> A complete restart of the machine fixes it
[20:10] <jayjo> I'm testing if I can find the camera with "cheese"
[20:12] <phillipsjk> jayjo, what does physically unplugging the camera, then pugging it back in do?
[20:14] <phillipsjk> if the OS is detecting it at all, you should see messages in dmesg. "dmesg | tail"
[20:16] <phillipsjk> jayjo- did you just restart and miss my messages to you?
[20:16] <jayjo-> well, pulling out a bunch of usb's did *something* :)
[20:16] <jayjo-> but no, the camera is still not found
[20:16] <jayjo-> I thought it would. It was still in `lsusb` before and after
[20:16] <phillipsjk> unlabled wire nest, eh?
[20:17] <jayjo-> Yea I know. I'll actually fix that today. I pulled something that for some reason triggered a network killswitch on a simple vpn
[20:18] <jayjo-> That thing was a cheap usb speaker, which I noticed before presented itself as a disk in the gnome disk utility
[20:18] <phillipsjk> If it is pugged into  "self powered" hub (with no external power supply) with a lot of devices attached, it may not be getting enough power.
[20:24] <nmatrix> Has anyone ever successfully got bridged networking working in Ubuntu 20.04 with virtualbox?
[20:26] <oerheks> nmatrix, before 20.04, sure, NAT
[20:27] <nmatrix> oerheks, Ubuntu 20.04 Focal Fossi, with virtualbox
[20:27] <c0fe> I used Bridged Adapter mode and it worked for me
[20:29] <oerheks> https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html
[21:16] <kotek14> For some reason I turned my PC on just to realize that pulseaudio is missing
[21:46] <nmatrix> c0fe, what type of hardware are you running on?
[21:47] <c0fe> nmatrix: nginx? i resolved the issue
 I used Bridged Adapter mode and it worked for me  <--- what hardware are you running on? Laptop, desktop specs?
[21:50] <c0fe> oh, it is a desktop windows 10 and ubuntu 20.04
[21:50] <c0fe> the underlying OS is on baremetal though
[21:59] <auser0> hello, i am trying to run wine after installing it but its not working, when i do sudo apt install wine-stable
[21:59] <auser0> , it says the latest version is installed
[22:02] <jeremy31> auser0: install playonlinux, that should give a GUI for wine
[22:04] <auser0> thanks but the issue is that my OS doesn't seem to detect wine after it being installed
[22:04] <auser0> so when writing wine, it says to install it and when i try to re-install it, it says it's already installed
[22:04] <sarnold> what would it mean for an "os to detect wine"?
[22:04] <auser0> i try to check wine version after installing it
[22:04] <auser0> wine --version
[22:05] <auser0> it says it's not installed
[22:05] <sarnold> how about wine-stable --version ?
[22:09] <auser0> now it seems to work, but when i try to run it, it says "wine client error:0: version mismatch 571/595.
[22:09] <auser0> Your wineserver binary was not upgraded correctly,
[22:09] <auser0> "
[23:26] <LiveWire> i think ax86 is like $100 cheaper also? That would be my choice
[23:32] <drea_mert> Peace! Maybe someone can help me with expressions. If I run a
[23:33] <drea_mert> 'apt-cache search -n erer$',
[23:33] <drea_mert> why do I get outputs like
[23:33] <drea_mert> 'pccts - The Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set (PCCTS).'
[23:34] <drea_mert> What I would expect would be only package names like 'dleyna-renderer', that end with a 'erer'
[23:35] <hggdh> well, what you actually asked for is "just the names of packages that have a file that ends in erer"
[23:35] <drea_mert> ,what I told apt-cache using the options '-n erer$'
[23:35] <drea_mert>  a file ?
[23:36] <hggdh> -n reduces the output to the package names, but the search is in the package contents
[23:36] <drea_mert> "-n" aren't just the package names, but also files contained in the package
[23:36] <drea_mert> !?
[23:37] <hggdh> hum
[23:37] <hggdh> hold on
[23:38] <subfj> running a systemctl service and i have restart=always set and this service is to send me an alert when there is a change but its sending me an email every 1 second and i thing its because its restarting this service over and over and over again. would i set restart=onfailure or something instead to fix this?
[23:39] <hggdh> drea_mert: just ran it locally, *without* -n, This is what I got: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7jgySYVpf4/
[23:40] <TJ-> subfj: yes
[23:40] <hggdh> drea_mert: still, just the package names
[23:40] <TJ-> subfj: see "man systemd.service" and "Restart=" table of actions
[23:40] <subfj> TJ-: or use something like Type=oneshot RemainAfterExit=yes ?
[23:40]  * hggdh has to go back to read the man page
[23:40] <subfj> TJ-: thinking the on failure would be better
[23:41] <subfj> okay ill take a look at the table, thanks
[23:41] <TJ-> subfj: that'd depend on what kind of service it is, as to whether oneshot is apprpriate
[23:41] <subfj> TJ-: oneshot is just on boot then its done but on failure would fix itself basically
[23:42] <subfj> and re-trigger
[23:42] <oerheks>  The new OnFailure= behavior only triggers the one-shot service if the restart failed completely https://serverfault.com/questions/876233/how-to-send-an-email-if-a-systemd-service-is-restarted
[23:42] <subfj> TJ-: lol, jinx
[23:43] <hggdh> drea_mert: bah, sorry, was running apt-cache and mentally fixed on apt-file
[23:44] <drea_mert> hggdh youre welcome =D
[23:45] <drea_mert> hggdh so it doesnt search only/also for filenames?
[23:47] <drea_mert> because the quest remains...how could I tell apt-cache to just search the package names - what was the original intention
[23:47] <hggdh> drea_mert: no, it does not. By default it searches on package names and long description. With -n, just package names
[23:48] <drea_mert> ok so my output is somewhat strange...
[23:50] <hggdh> drea_mert: it may be the package you are looking for is in a pocket you do not have enabled -- say, Universe, or Partners
[23:52] <TJ-> drea_mert: the reason you see a package name that doesn't appear to match the regexp is that as well as the package name, --names-only also searches any Provides: and you'll find that is where the match occurred. You can check those with "apt-cache show $package | grep Provides"
[23:53] <drea_mert> If my issue would be a problem. Who should I adress? apt-cache rather than the basH?
[23:53] <drea_mert> Probably not, because the expressions are evaluated by the bash and only forwarded to apt-cache - right!
[23:53] <drea_mert> arent they!?
[23:53] <sarnold> drea_mert: maybe apt-cache dump | grep '^Package: .*erer$'  ?
[23:53] <TJ-> drea_mert: for pccts you'll see "Provides: sorcerer"
[23:54] <sarnold> drea_mert: re "evaluated by bash", yeah, it depends upon what is in the current working directory, unless you quote the argument with '' quotes, like: dpkg -l '*linux*'
[23:55] <drea_mert> thank you this should answer the question!


[06:32] <boxbeats1> hi guys, i'm trying to set up a mysql server on an EBS volume that I can access from myultiple EC2 ubuntu instances.  I've got it set up so that the server that the volume is attached to can access it through localhost
[06:32] <boxbeats1> how can i make it so that i can access the mysql server from other insatnces?


[09:57] <Mish> zequence: icons with light foreground --- https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/Icons/?key=CRBaTkk2DEln
[14:56] <OvenWerks> Mish: I like the dark better. To me, the light ones look washed out. I also think the dark ones are easier to see... but that may just be my 53year old eyas :P
[15:01] <Mish> I thought so as well. I could improve the contrast by darkening the background, but then the colours wouldn't look as prominent.
[15:01] <Mish> Or may be I should try that as well
[15:13] <OvenWerks> Mish: I think the colours are right.
[15:14] <OvenWerks> they show well on both dark and light themes
[15:15] <Mish> that's what I was aiming for
[15:17] <OvenWerks> My personal thought is to use these for the menu (in hicolor) and use anything lighter or darker In light and dark ubuntustudio-icon-themes
[15:17] <OvenWerks> Though the sense I get is "no themes"
[15:18] <Mish> so non-standard names are being used right?
[15:18] <Mish> and by lighter or darker you mean the old means
[15:18] <OvenWerks> I was just thinking of that
[15:18] <Mish> *ones
[15:21] <OvenWerks> Right now the names are all applications-*, I think just change them to ubuntustudio-*.
[15:23] <OvenWerks> I think hicolor/*x*/categories/ is still the right place though.
[15:24] <OvenWerks> Right place in the -menu package that is...
[15:24] <OvenWerks> in the -icon-theme package, they are already in the right place.
[15:38] <Mish> Also I think we should have just one scalable folder
[15:38] <Mish> making changes would be much easier then
[15:38] <Mish> and the icon cache is pretty effective, everything loads instantly on my machine
[15:39] <Mish> but since ubuntustudio will give options for different DEs I don't how well that'd work out
[15:44] <Mish> all DEs probably support SVG properly already
[16:25] <OvenWerks> I think LXDE uses the xfce panel so that would be true.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> We are only worrying about XDG style menu systems and I think all of those do ok.
[16:28] <Mish> my Knoppix USB show's the panel named as LXPanel
[16:28] <Mish> but yeah LXDE follows freedesktop standards
[16:29] <OvenWerks> So where did you want to put the icons? Are you going to branch the -menu package?
[16:29] <Mish> Yes I think
[16:30] <OvenWerks> Ok.
[16:30] <Mish> I'll beback after dinner
[16:30] <OvenWerks> no prob. I'll do breakfast...
[17:46] <Mish> OvenWerks: I'm back. Can I get a link to the package?
[22:48] <holstein> !skypc
[22:49] <holstein> !skype