[12:00] <Seveas> well, just installed means still a buggy version ;)
[12:00] <Linner> that's not going to work
[12:00] <shinu> when is firefox 1.0.7 is gonna be out in repos?
[12:00] <Linner> permission denied
[12:00] <shinu> (random question)
[12:00] <Seveas> Linner, sudo apt-get update
[12:00] <Linner> unable to lock the administration directory
[12:00] <Seveas> shinu, asap
[12:00] <Linner> are you root?
[12:00] <h08817> priscilla: well it should work
[12:00] <shinu> Seveas: right :)
[12:00] <gt500k> What's the command to look in a file, using the terminal?
[12:00] <Linner> i need sudo first huh?
[12:00] <Seveas> copland, ?
[12:00] <boxerboy29> i get that when i have another apt session running
[12:01] <Linner> i figured it out
[12:01] <Linner> at least the apt get part
[12:01] <shawarma> Linner: Do you have aptitude or something like that open in another term=
[12:01] <boxerboy29> linner: try sudo -s
[12:01] <boxerboy29> that will keep u as root
[12:01] <funkyHat> ubotu, opera8.5 is broken in breezy, if you want to install it, there is a patched .deb available at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/breezy-extras/opera_8.50-20050916.5-shared-qt_en_breezy_patch_i386.deb
[12:01] <ubotu> okay, funkyHat
[12:01] <h08817> gt500k: a txt file or what? gedit then the filename
[12:01] <Seveas> boxerboy29, that's bad
[12:01] <Seveas> sudo -i is better :)
[12:01] <Linner> boxerboy29: it's all upgrading and installing now
[12:01] <boxerboy29> i heard other way around about a weeek ago
[12:01] <Linner> Seveas: it's going to take some time there are 302 updates
[12:01] <ThePyromaniac> Seveas i installed the package you mentions, it instaleld a few with it. it still says that iostream: No such file or directory
[12:02] <gt500k> h08817 no just like a folder to see the contnts
[12:02] <boxerboy29> <<will start using -i
[12:02] <Linner> where do i go from here?
[12:02] <Seveas> ThePyromaniac, then either your code is bad or you're compiling it the wrong way :)
[12:02] <h08817> cd folder then ls
[12:02] <kandinski> again: is 192 MB good for running ubuntu on a celeron 550 mhz laptop? is there any compromise that needs to be reached?
[12:02] <gt500k> wow i'm stupid
[12:02] <boxerboy29> seveas: that site you gave me the realplayer part was for ppc
[12:02] <Seveas> Linner, once the updates are installed, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:03] <Seveas> Linner, that's just to be sure you missed nothing
[12:03] <h08817> gt500k: its ok
[12:03] <Seveas> and after that: reboot
[12:03] <ThePyromaniac> well the code and the compilation were both taken from an example site seveas
[12:03] <Seveas> ThePyromaniac, url?
[12:03] <Air2k> Hi again. what is the best way to install the package w32codecs? the repository ubuntu-backports doesn't contain that package anymore.
[12:03] <Linner> Seveas: ok... i can do that
[12:03] <boxerboy29> seveas: is ther ea program in synaptic for music in websites?
[12:03] <ThePyromaniac> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-31821.html
[12:03] <Seveas> boxerboy29, mozilla-mplayer
[12:04] <Linner> boxerboy29: were you in here earlier this morning (I'm in California)
[12:04] <boxerboy29> seveas thank you
[12:04] <boxerboy29> linner yes
[12:04] <Linner> boxerboy29: i thought you "looked" familiar
[12:04] <boxerboy29> ive been here all day :(
[12:04] <Linner> sounds painfully familiar
[12:04] <Seveas> ThePyromaniac, I see no code there and several bad compilation instructions....
[12:04] <stormie> hi everyone
[12:05] <ThePyromaniac> seveas i got the code from another page, oop. i just changed my extention to cpp from c. can you tell im a n00b?
[12:05] <Seveas> ThePyromaniac, kinda
[12:05] <Linner> wow with 429 people just in this room, you'd think that Linux would be considered a serious competitor and manus would make the right drivers for it
[12:05] <ThePyromaniac> seveas can you show me a link to a GOOD example and a GOOD command and i can take it from there
[12:05] <h08817> well everyone standby I am going to try to install ubuntu again even though i think it will die
[12:05] <Seveas> read a c++ primer :)
[12:06] <ThePyromaniac> a what?
[12:06] <boxerboy29> seveas mplayer does both music and video?
[12:06] <h08817> i am putting it on my xp hd and i have 98 on my other and hopefully linux can bring them all together
[12:06] <Linner> boxerboy29: yes, it does :)
[12:06] <Linner> boxerboy29: I use it on my desktop
[12:06] <boxerboy29> hot damn
[12:06] <boxerboy29> brb
[12:06] <Linner> boxerboy29: it works extremely well
[12:06] <ThePyromaniac> seveas ohh, a book right. well i know HOW to in .NET. im not a spaz, i just cant do the command line ^^
[12:06] <Carlk> shawarma, thanks
[12:07] <boxerboy29> linner and seveas thank you its installing
[12:07] <Linner> boxerboy29: hey, I have a lot to pay back with all the help I've gotten in here. :)
[12:07] <NetGeek> is there anyway to update extension in Firefox?
[12:07] <Milk_> Anyone have any idea why my 2nd monitor has a yellow tinge when using twinview
[12:08] <boxerboy29> linner you still working on the x windows?
[12:08] <Linner> yeah
[12:08] <Linner> it's still installing and downloading
[12:08] <Linner> i had 304 updates
[12:08] <boxerboy29> i was :) when i got it done a few hours ago
[12:08] <NetGeek> auto-update still does not worK?
[12:08] <Linner> boxerboy29: yeah I hear ya'... I'm on my fifth install
[12:08] <Linner> :(
[12:09] <Linner> i've been working on this for a solid 24 hours
[12:09] <Seveas> Well time to ^Z here, 'night folks
[12:09] <Cesarin> btw, when a compiler says "cannot find X11 development files", what are these?
[12:09] <Linner> Seveas: thank you so much have a great evening
[12:09] <Cesarin> and what is the name to download them?
[12:09] <boxerboy29> linner: i installed breezy like 4 or 5 times till i got it fixed
[12:09] <Milk_> could sync or refresh cause color problems?
[12:09] <Linner> boxerboy29: sounds like you and i are in the same boat
[12:10] <boxerboy29> i kept getting font errors and it wouldnt load X
[12:10] <deevo> hi everybody ..what's this chat room about ?
[12:10] <Linner> boxerboy29: ok... i was getting those too
[12:10] <Seveas> deevo, ubuntu support
[12:10] <Cesarin> boxer: they helped me about that earlier
[12:10] <Milk_> Anyone have any idea why my 2nd monitor has a yellow tinge when using twinview
[12:10] <boxerboy29> me too
[12:10] <Linner> deevo: only ubuntu help
[12:10] <Linner> there is an offtopic forum too #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:10] <Seveas> Linner, all these errors should be fixed as of 15:00 this afternoon :)
[12:10] <Cesarin> linner: whats the synaptic 's name for X11 develment files?
[12:10] <Linner> 3:00 my time?
[12:11] <Seveas> Cesarin, xorg-dev
[12:11] <Cesarin> thanks
[12:11] <Seveas> 15:00 UTC
[12:11] <Linner> Seveas: phew.. thank you!
[12:11] <Linner> Seveas: go to bed now... :)
[12:11] <Seveas> :)
[12:11] <Linner> we need you with a fresh head tomorrow
[12:11] <Linner> :)
[12:11] <boxerboy29> :0 its not working on my site
[12:11] <Seveas> boxerboy29, you might need an additional dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:12] <Linner> Seveas: what are all these errors coming from?
[12:12] <Cesarin> weird, I cant find those
[12:12] <Linner> just from the nightly builds?
[12:12] <Cesarin> brb
[12:12] <Seveas> udev mess
[12:12] <Linner> oh yuck
[12:12] <Seveas> and ficing it made things worse
[12:12] <Linner> oh okay
[12:12] <Seveas> but today the correct fix was found :)
[12:12] <paul124897> hey guys
[12:12] <Linner> fantasticv
[12:12] <Linner> paul124897: hello
[12:12] <boxerboy29> seveas this is gonna sound stupid but after the bs this mornong is there an easy way to do that?
[12:12] <paul124897> know of a good alarm clock system for linux to help wake me up on a morning?
[12:12] <shawarma> Linner: Don't worry. It's not normal for Breezy.  :-D
[12:13] <stormie> im having problems mounting my ntfs partition on Ubuntu, can anyone help me out? (ive tried using the shell ubotu suggests, same problem)
[12:13] <Seveas> boxerboy29, in a console you can update/upgrade/reconfigure too :)
[12:13] <rob^> !ntfs
[12:13] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[12:13] <Linner> shawarma: well the thing was i wasn't installing with an internet connection this morning
[12:13] <boxerboy29> seveas i did that thats all fixed
[12:13] <Linner> shawarma: so I don't know of the problems people were having this morning
[12:13] <Zaacc> mmm sorry if this has been asked plenty times but what's the backup url for the ubuntu forums ?
[12:13] <Seveas> stormie, before running that script first unmount the drive and remove it from fstab
[12:13] <boxerboy29> its the mplayer thats not working
[12:13] <nekko> ayuda
[12:13] <nekko> estan alli
[12:13] <paul124897> know of a good alarm clock system for linux to help wake me up on a morning?
[12:13] <Linner> i didn't realize it was required until about 10a this morning
[12:13] <rob^> dodgy script..
[12:13] <Seveas> boxerboy29, ah :)
[12:14] <nekko> tengo problemas para instalar firefox
[12:14] <nekko> para actualizarlo
[12:14] <Seveas> ao=esd (in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf)
[12:14] <shawarma> nekko: Este canal no es espanol.
[12:14] <Seveas> nekko, please stick to english in here
[12:14] <Linner> boxerboy29: it's not working????
[12:14] <[LethAL] > !es
[12:14] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:14] <boxerboy29> nope not on one of my sites its not
[12:14] <Linner> oh gosh
[12:14] <Linner> i'm confused... you say one of your sites?
[12:15] <shawarma> nekko: Si quieres ayuda tienes que hablar ingles.
[12:15] <Stonie> can anyone tell me how to get an ATI X800 XL to work?
[12:15] <DaaJeH> Hello
[12:15] <shawarma> paul124897: cron and mplayer?
[12:15] <Seveas> shawarma, didn't know you speak spanish :)
[12:15] <Linner> Stonie: I might be wrong... but we were trying to help me install an ATI 200M this morning using another driver called vesa
[12:15] <boxerboy29> yes i have a few websites im working on one now and i have sound on the site but i cant hear it it tells me to get plug ins
[12:15] <Seveas> shawarma, btw, did you get my mail?
[12:15] <shawarma> Seveas: You'd be surprised. :-D
[12:15] <DaaJeH> How do I install a realplayer?
[12:16] <Seveas> boxerboy29, ah you need w32codecs
[12:16] <shawarma> Seveas: Your mail? Hmm.. When was this?
[12:16] <Seveas> shawarma, few days ago about membership
[12:16] <Linner> Seveas: was I right for stonie's question?
[12:16] <ShadeZeRO> hi.
[12:16] <Seveas> are you an Ubuntu member?
[12:16] <ShadeZeRO> No...
[12:16] <paul124897> i need the jre but cant get it :(
[12:16] <Seveas> !tell Stonie about ati
[12:16] <ShadeZeRO> I was wondering if i could get some help...
[12:16] <shawarma> Seveas: Er... I remember getting a mail I figured was kind of automated... No, I'm not a member. Yet, anyway.
[12:16] <Seveas> shawarma, k :)
[12:16] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: Just ask.
[12:16] <Linner> bummer
[12:16] <Seveas> you should become one :)
[12:17] <Linner> I was trying :)
[12:17] <boxerboy29> seveas why is it i have this feeling thats not gonna be easy?
[12:17] <boxerboy29> lol
[12:17] <Seveas> boxerboy29, it is gonna be easy
[12:17] <Seveas> you can download it from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:17] <Milk_> Anyone have any idea why my 2nd monitor has a yellow tinge when using twinview
[12:17] <shawarma> Seveas: I know. I just think I need to do more work before "they" will let me. :-D
[12:17] <stormie> i require assistance :( severe problems here lol
[12:17] <Seveas> shawarma, I don't think you'll have a problem ;)
[12:17] <ShadeZeRO> Well basically...my HD's are screwed, i got some wicked bad virus, now i BSOD on anything, and Safemode doesn't work either anymore (win XP)...I have ubuntu Live here...and I load it up in failsafe (messed up in regular)..and I want to backup some files to a 2nd hd I have in there...
[12:18] <shawarma> Seveas: Really?
[12:18] <ShadeZeRO> but it says the 2nd HD is a 'read only' drive...how would I undo that...OR How could I burn a DVD with Ubuntu?
[12:18] <shawarma> Seveas: What the hey... I'll show up a the next CC meeting then.
[12:18] <Seveas> shawarma, unless i'm mistaking you for someone else you've been active for quite some time already :)
[12:18] <lui> hello
[12:19] <shawarma> Seveas: No, that sounds just about right.
[12:19] <pauldaoust> hey folks... quick question about sudo, that I can't find info on in its man page: does anyone know why, when I issue a command in sudo, it pretends the current working directory is "/"?
[12:19] <Seveas> anyway, I really gotta ^Z now
[12:19] <shawarma> Seveas :-)
[12:19] <Seveas> bye
[12:19] <shawarma> Seveas Sleep tight.
[12:19] <lui> Seveas, is there a way to see my linux partition from win XP?
[12:19] <shawarma> pauldaoust: What makes you think it does that?
[12:19] <funkyHat> lui, yes
[12:20] <shawarma> pauldaoust: What does "sudo pwd" say?
[12:20] <funkyHat> lui google for ext2ifs
[12:20] <Carlk> lui - it did't see it?  (it should)
[12:20] <pauldaoust> shawarma: at present, /home/administrator
[12:20] <lui> funkyHat, ok
[12:20] <Carlk> oh wait.. i r dumb
[12:20] <uzman_kurt> ne oli la
[12:20] <pauldaoust> shawarma: so it seems to resolve the whole pathname
[12:20] <uzman_kurt> trk yokmu burda
[12:20] <ShadeZeRO> ...
[12:20] <ShadeZeRO> nobody knows?
[12:20] <Carlk> lui - I was thinking XP from linux
[12:20] <lui> great, but then I can see all my files?
[12:21] <shawarma> pauldaoust: Yes...
[12:21] <pauldaoust> shawarma: well, here's what happens. if I go 'Run command...' and then type in 'gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' it'll create a new file called 'xorg.conf' in my home directory
[12:21] <lui> Carlk, ok :P
[12:21] <Carlk> lui - yes, if you install the ext driver for windows, which is really new
[12:21] <funkyHat> Carlk, see ubotu's message:
[12:21] <funkyHat> !ntfs
[12:21] <ubotu> methinks ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[12:21] <Juul> where is /etc/ld.so.conf in ubuntu (breezy) ?
[12:21] <lui> excellent! thanks guys
[12:21] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: I'm not sure I caught your question?
[12:21] <Carlk> lui - don't go.. let me find a URL
[12:21] <ShadeZeRO> Oh
[12:21] <ShadeZeRO> it was long
[12:21] <ShadeZeRO> Should I copy paste it
[12:22] <lui> Carlk, oh, ok thank you
[12:22] <ThePyromaniac> you can do C++ in mono right? it mentions C# but...? ^^
[12:22] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: I got the description of the broken disks and the live CD... I just missed the last bit, I think.
[12:22] <ShadeZeRO> Well, i Loaded up THe live Disk ...
[12:22] <funkyHat> sorry Carlk, i don't really know who's asking who what, so if you didn't need to know that... yeah :P
[12:22] <cas_> How can I startup programs by userlogin, e.g. beagled?
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> and I want to copy files from one HD to another
[12:23] <JosephB> hey ppl. anyone else having trouble with Xorg2? I can't get it to start up since the last dist-upgrade
[12:23] <pauldaoust> shawarma: additionally, I've written an update script for a bunch of computers in the network I administer, that does various things each day (e.g., install a new package or lock down the panel for basic users). I basically have a symlink /etc/cron.daily/update-common --> /scripts/update-common (which is the updater script)
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> but, it says one HD is a 'read only' drive
[12:23] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: Ubuntu says that?
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> Which is the drive  I want to copy stuff too...
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> Yes...
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> I run failsafe mode
[12:23] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: And you absolutely sure it's not CD-rom or something like that?
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> hdg1
[12:23] <ShadeZeRO> I can see the files on the 2nd drive
[12:23] <h08817> i have a grub error
[12:24] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, is it NTFS?
[12:24] <ShadeZeRO> Yes
[12:24] <h08817> it says error 18
[12:24] <ShadeZeRO> With alot of backups
[12:24] <h08817> !grub
[12:24] <ubotu> grub is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:24] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, you can't write to an NTFS partition in Linux
[12:24] <Carlk> is this chat logged?
[12:24] <ShadeZeRO> Aww...
[12:24] <Linner> do you guys recommend installing windows AFTER breezy is up and running?
[12:24] <ShadeZeRO> How about burning a DVD?
[12:24] <boxerboy29> before
[12:24] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, should be able to do that fine
[12:24] <ShadeZeRO> How would I do that
[12:24] <Linner> before????
[12:24] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: Put a blank one in, and watch.
[12:24] <Linner> really........
[12:25] <Linner> shoot
[12:25] <pauldaoust> shawarma: today, my update-common script is supposed to untar a file into /home/student (basic uprivileged user), but when I test it out by going sudo /scripts/update-common, it always untars the file into the current working directory
[12:25] <Carlk> I have posted the URL to the site that has "ext2 fs drivers for windows" (maybe I should google that
[12:25] <Seveas> ubotu, grub is also troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[12:25] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[12:25] <boxerboy29> linner: thats what i was always told
[12:25] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, yeah.. what shawarma said
[12:25] <pauldaoust> shawarma: and that's why I think sudo has problems :)
[12:25] <Linner> boxerboy29: what's the reasoning do you remember?
[12:25] <Seveas> if you install it afterwards you need to restore grub with a livecd
[12:25] <shawarma> pauldaoust: I would need to see the script to say anything clever about it.
[12:25] <boxerboy29> linner: boot loader
[12:25] <shawarma> But I seriously have to catch some sleep too.
[12:25] <ShadeZeRO> Ok, i put one in
[12:25] <Carlk> how can i set a DNS IP so that dhcp won't overwrite it?
[12:25] <Linner> Seveas: I thought you were going to bed!!!
[12:26] <ShadeZeRO> I have 3 drives mind you (1 dvd rom, 1 cdrw, 1 dvdrw
[12:26] <Seveas> Linner, so did I
[12:26] <boxerboy29> linner: winblows boot loader isnt worth a damn
[12:26] <lui> Carlk, need to go , thanks for the help
[12:26] <boxerboy29> ok damnit apt-get hates my guts today
[12:26] <shawarma> ShadeZeRO: Shouldn't be a problem.
[12:26] <Carlk> lui - loook around for "ext2 fs drivers for windows"
[12:26] <Seveas> Carlk, http://pastebin.com/370390
[12:26] <Carlk> when you have time ;l
[12:26] <Linner> Seveas: ok.. so what are the reprocussions if I install it afterwards?
[12:26] <thinman> after recompiling kernel i have an error while boot up "device-mapper: error adding target to table...
[12:27] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, assuming you are in Gnome.. it should open up a window that you can drag your files to and then burn
[12:27] <Seveas> ubotu, dns-dhcp is <reply> Using static DNS with DHCP: http://pastebin.com/370390
[12:27] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[12:27] <boxerboy29> linner: trying to get to boot from one or the other
[12:27] <Seveas> if you install it afterwards you need to restore grub with a livecd <-- Linner
[12:27] <Linner> Seveas: ok so all my updates are finished and I'm STILL getting the failed to start the X server
[12:27] <Fearan> anybody have any idea why i DIDN'T have any problems upgrading to breezy?
[12:27] <Linner> Seveas: is it difficult?
[12:27] <ShadeZeRO> hmm
[12:27] <Seveas>  Linner did you reboot?
[12:27] <ShadeZeRO> nope?
[12:27] <ThePyromaniac> great, i cant get mono working because it constantly harps for packages synaptic doesnt have, so i install manually and it still doesnt see it... and i can get command line compilation to work. i have a whole book-worth of useless examples with no mention of how to compile code.... anyone here a C++ programmer?
[12:27] <Linner> Seveas: no...
[12:27] <Carlk> Seveas, that wuold be great but my $15 internet box apparently won't resove that ;)
[12:27] <Seveas> Linner, no, the wiki has clear instructions
[12:27] <Linner> Seveas: i thought that was a windows thing
[12:27] <Seveas> Linner, then reboot :)
[12:27] <Linner> Seveas: got it... will remember it
[12:27] <Carlk> Seveas, but I can make it work one more time...
[12:27] <Linner> Seveas: okey dokey
[12:27] <Fearan> anybody have any idea why i DIDN'T have any problems upgrading to breezy?
[12:27] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, are you sure it's blank, and that you put it in the correct drive?
[12:28] <Seveas> Linner, in case of errors rebooting still is useful sometimes :)
[12:28] <Linner> Seveas: great
[12:28] <shawarma> Fearan: When did you do it?
[12:28] <Linner> hope it works
[12:28] <ShadeZeRO> yes
[12:28] <Seveas> Fearan, you upgraded on an error-free time
[12:28] <Fearan> shawarma: saturday
[12:28] <Linner> i like the new ubuntu graphic ... really nice
[12:28] <pauldaoust> shawarma: http://pastebin.com/370439
[12:28] <Seveas> today has been a bad day for upgrading :)
[12:28] <boxerboy29> ok seveas apt get doesnt work anymore ive tried apt-get install everything
[12:28] <Linner> Seveas: and for new installs!
[12:28] <Linner> ;)
[12:28] <shawarma> Fearan: That's why, then. The breakage (the majer udev one) was only for a few hours today.
[12:29] <Seveas> shawarma, the udev/X was a lingering thing
[12:29] <Linner> Seveas: ok.. nope.. that did do ti.. same problem
[12:29] <h08817> does anyone have any ideas how to fix the grub error 18 or know what it means?
[12:29] <ShadeZeRO> I put another blank in, nothing...
[12:29] <Linner> can't start the x server
[12:29] <shawarma> Seveas: meaning?
[12:29] <Fearan> shawarma: ok, but i also got some updates from the breezy server
[12:29] <boxerboy29> ho8817: reinstall it
[12:29] <Fearan> shawarma: today
[12:29] <Seveas> in that case I give up for now and REALLY go to sleep
[12:29] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, well... open up a nautilus window and go to Go->CD/DVD Creator
[12:29] <boxerboy29> or use conlony 3
[12:29] <h08817> boxerboy29: wish it was that easy
[12:29] <Linner> Seveas: thanks!
[12:29] <Linner> :(
[12:29] <shawarma> Seveas: You do that. Catch you later.
[12:29] <boxerboy29> lol
[12:30] <Fearan> gtg
[12:30] <Linner> night Seveas
[12:30] <Linner> ;)
[12:30] <boxerboy29> i get grub 18 on my colony 4 cd
[12:30] <Fearan> c ya every1
[12:30] <h08817> boxerboy29: so how can i fix it
[12:30] <meuserj|work> ShadeZeRO, drag your files there and then click "write to disc" when you are done.. and choose your DVDRW drive on the next dialog
[12:30] <boxerboy29> so i use my colony 3 cd
[12:30] <Linner> boxerboy29: shawarma so I did the updates that Seveas recommended ... rebooted... same error... failed to start the X Server
[12:30] <pauldaoust> hey, has anyone ever had a new 'Debian' menu appear in the 'Applications' menu? it's very weird and annoying, and it appeared I believe after I installed tuxpaint. strange thing is that it duplicates a lot of the menu entries that already appear in other folders, and also lists a lot of entries for programs that aren't even installed.
[12:30] <h08817> well i don't have the official cd
[12:30] <h08817> i downloaded the install image and burned it to cd
[12:30] <boxerboy29> download it and burn it
[12:31] <crimsun> pauldaoust: yes, that's the menu package.
[12:31] <meuserj|work> pauldaoust, you should be able to get rid of that with smeg
[12:31] <h08817> so i don't think the cd i have will boot to linux it will just boot ot hte installer
[12:31] <crimsun> pauldaoust: err, menu-xdg
[12:31] <pauldaoust> crimsun, meuserj|work: thanky :)
[12:31] <Linner> boxerboy29: did you see my question?
[12:31] <meuserj|work> pauldaoust, np
[12:32] <boxerboy29> linner: did it ask you if you wanted to keep the old "package" cant remember what it was
[12:32] <Linner> no
[12:32] <alex_> Hey all.
[12:32] <Linner> it didn't at all
[12:32] <Linner> just installed a bunch of junk
[12:32] <alex_> I am having serious issues with Breezy.
[12:32] <Linner> and then took me to the root login
[12:32] <alex_> I _JUST_ upgraded 500 packages.
[12:32] <Linner> alex_: we all are
[12:32] <boxerboy29> lol @ junk
[12:32] <alex_> Now when I do apt-get upgrade, it wants me to redo them all over again.
[12:32] <Carlk> Seveas, how did you make it hightlight?  it=http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?show=370390
[12:32] <alex_> All my shit is missing.
[12:32] <pauldaoust> I see smeg isn't in the hoary repository yet :'-(
[12:32] <Linner> Carlk: I think he went to bed.
[12:33] <crimsun> pauldaoust: it won't ever be in Hoary.
[12:33] <alex_> How do I go about switching back to Horay?
[12:33] <funkyHat> pauldaoust, just install the deb :P
[12:33] <pauldaoust> crimsun: ah :)
[12:33] <Carlk> Linner, rats.
[12:33] <alex_> Breezy just sucks too badly :/
[12:33] <spiral> 'bye
[12:33] <crimsun> pauldaoust: Hoary was released in April. No new software goes into a released version. Period.
[12:33] <yereth> hi al
[12:33] <yereth> l
[12:33] <pauldaoust> crimsun: duh, sorry :) I knew that too
[12:33] <boxerboy29> linner: after you rebooted did it give you a diagnostic window?
[12:33] <funkyHat> Carlk, what did he highlight?
[12:33] <Linner> boxerboy29: yes
[12:33] <pauldaoust> crimsun: bad habits left over from Gentoo ;)
[12:33] <h08817> boxerboy29: i even tried installing lilo but lilo locks up on the first boot too
[12:34] <yereth> can anyone give me a hint how I can make apt downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[12:34] <Linner> same $hit, different process :)
[12:34] <crimsun> yereth: man apt_preferences
[12:34] <boxerboy29> h08817: if you google for grub error 18 it will show you i cant rtemember what it said off top of head
[12:34] <charles> so my gnome-print-manager won't display any drivers anymore (while I am trying to setup network printing)
[12:34] <ShadeZeRO> umm
[12:34] <yereth> crimsun: can I use this pin-priority?
[12:34] <crimsun> yereth: certainly
[12:34] <ShadeZeRO> how do u open up a nautalist window -_-''
[12:34] <h08817> boxerboy29: i already tried that
[12:34] <pauldaoust> shawarma: incidentally, disregard line 5 of the pastebin thingy I sent you; it's just a first-time thingy to actually install itself in /etc/cron.daily
[12:34] <yereth> crimsun: I assume I have to create this preferences file myself
[12:35] <boxerboy29> linner: the [WW]  were they font or moniter or card?
[12:35] <alex323> Anybody? I need to downgrade to Horay before I fucking kill Breezy.
[12:35] <crimsun> yereth: yes
[12:35] <yereth> heh
[12:35] <yereth> crimsun: cheers :)
[12:35] <crimsun> alex323: see what yereth's asking.
[12:35] <yereth> :)
[12:35] <alex323> What was his question?
[12:36] <boxerboy29> h08814: 18 : "Invalid or unsupported executable format"
[12:36] <h08817> boxerboy29: well i found something
[12:36] <ShadeZeRO> Meuser
[12:36] <h08817> boxerboy29: it said that my hd is too big for my bios
[12:36] <yereth> alex323: 00:31 < yereth> can anyone give me a hint how I can make apt downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[12:36] <ShadeZeRO> Are you still there??
[12:36] <ShadeZeRO> I dont knwo howto open up nautalisk'
[12:36] <h08817> boxerboy29: it says i have to install linux to the beginning of the hd well how the heck do i do that?
[12:36] <boxerboy29> whats on that harddrive?
[12:37] <pauldaoust> hey, am I missing something with sudo? whenever I try to run certain scripts, sudo always does its work in the current working directory instead of the directory it's supposed to.
[12:37] <boxerboy29> most likey u will want to read up on the 1024 problem
[12:37] <boxerboy29> i cant think of what its called
[12:37] <boxerboy29> cylinder 1024
[12:38] <h08817> boxerboy29: well already on hte hd is windows xp
[12:38] <thehil>  How can I use windows.h in WINE?
[12:38] <pauldaoust> ex: http://pastebin.com/370439 ... at one point, this script is supposed to untar a file into someone's home directory. when I go 'sudo /scripts/update-common.sh' (which is where the above file is located) it untars the file into .
[12:38] <boxerboy29> its something about linux has to be installed on first 1024 cylinders
[12:39] <boxerboy29> i hate to say this but i dont remeber how to do that
[12:39] <boxerboy29> linner: do u have an ati video card?
[12:39] <zyph> oh thank god i'm finally on
[12:39] <zyph> oh i'm having so many problems
[12:40] <charles> so my gnome-print-manager won't display any drivers anymore (while I am trying to setup network printing)
[12:40] <boxerboy29> arnt we all
[12:40] <zyph> i'm in terminal
[12:40] <funkyHat> i'm not :)
[12:40] <zyph> i have no x
[12:40] <delire> nor me!
[12:40] <Cesarin> ok guys, anyone knows how to modify the conf file? the file seems LOCKED ( the xorg.conf )
[12:40] <funkyHat> delire, zyph, you both on breezy?
[12:40] <zyph> i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <zyph> i'm on breezy
[12:40] <boxerboy29> :( i can remember the grub 18 error but i cant install codecs
[12:40] <zyph> yeah x is totally fsked up now
[12:40] <delire> Cesarin: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:40] <h08817> well i found info on the error
[12:40] <Cesarin> thank you delire
[12:41] <zyph> well it's the mouse
[12:41] <h08817> boxerboy29: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB
[12:41] <funkyHat> zyph, try upgrading again, there is a very recent new release of udev or something which might fix it
[12:41] <zyph> there is no mouse, there's no device
[12:41] <delire> Cesarin: as it's a system file, you need to have permissions (a linux system can have many users you know) ..
[12:41] <boxerboy29> im a member there
[12:41] <funkyHat> zyph, if not, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:41] <zyph> i tried like 3 times funkyHat
[12:41] <zyph> funkyHat, did that
[12:41] <funkyHat> :(
[12:41] <h08817> so does anyone in here know how to install linux to the first 1024 cylinders of a hardrive?
[12:41] <boxerboy29> ill bbl
[12:41] <zyph> funkyHat, i have no mouse device
[12:41] <delire> funkyHat: <-- debian here, hoary at work.
[12:42] <Cesarin> delire: im the only one using this machine :P
[12:42] <funkyHat> oh, delire, were you saying 'nor me!' in reply to my statement, or zyph's?
[12:42] <Cesarin> ok thanks delire, now I have to wonder how to enable my mousewell and the extra buttons it does have
[12:42] <zyph> i'm just glad i got irc figured out
[12:42] <h08817> !1024
[12:42] <ubotu> h08817: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:42] <h08817> ubotu, yes
[12:42] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, h08817?
[12:42] <Cesarin> its a Optical intellimouse explorer v.3
[12:43] <delire> Cesarin: not from a hackers perspective you're not ;) a unix system has a 'god' (root) account and user accounts.
[12:43] <h08817> 1024 cylinders
[12:43] <Cesarin> well then I AM GOD!!! :O
[12:43] <delire> funkyHat: nor me to yours ;)
[12:43] <delire> Cesarin: muarharhar.
[12:43] <zeke1> how do you setup the network in ubuntu cause mine cant even find an eth device
[12:43] <ThePyromaniac> Anyone here code C++?
[12:43] <Cesarin> delire, : well any idea how to change the options of the mouse? :o
[12:44] <thehil>  where can I download winelib, not wine?
[12:44] <delire> Cesarin: what is wrong with your mouse?
[12:44] <zyph> funkyHat, how do i creat a mouse device?
[12:44] <funkyHat> delire, ah :)
[12:44] <Cesarin> actual options are "configured mouse"
[12:44] <Cesarin> delire: 5 button+mousewhell
[12:44] <Cesarin> the whell doesnt work
[12:44] <delire> ThePyromaniac: yes, but perhaps #c++ is the best place to ask C++ questions?
[12:44] <Cesarin> nor does the "back, and forward" buttons
[12:44] <zeke1> how do you setup the network in ubuntu cause mine cant even find an eth device
[12:44] <zeke1> anybody know
[12:44] <Cesarin> zekel: using breezy on X?
[12:45] <delire> Cesarin: ahah.. do you have the option Enable 3 Buttons set in your config?
[12:45] <ThePyromaniac> delire I am not asking C++ questions, im asking if anyone can help me to compile in ubuntu here ^^
[12:45] <ThePyromaniac> but thanks
[12:45] <Cesarin> nope
[12:45] <delire> Cesarin: the option is " Option "Emulate3Buttons"
[12:45] <Cesarin> nope, that line is not there
[12:45] <kuroishinzoo> Hej / Hi
[12:45] <zyph> can anyone tell me how to make a device?
[12:45] <zyph> i'm at wits end here
[12:45] <delire> Cesarin: the whole line should actually be : Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[12:46] <Cesarin> but why "emulate"? if it does have 5 button + mousewhell :P
[12:46] <delire> Cesarin: find the section "InputDevice" and add it.
[12:46] <Zodiac> hello guys
[12:46] <kuroishinzoo> i have a problem
[12:46] <funkyHat> hi Zodiac
[12:46] <Zodiac> What package do I need in order to burn audio CDs with k3B?
[12:47] <zeke1> Cesarin: whats breezy?
[12:47] <Cesarin> zekel: version of ubuntu? o_O
[12:47] <Cesarin> below input device of the mouse?
[12:47] <zeke1> Cesarin: 5.04
[12:47] <kuroishinzoo> im a new user of ubuntu, and i have never used linux before... and now i have some problems with the gnome packages..
[12:47] <Zodiac> K3B used to throw an error if it wasn't there, but now it doesnt
[12:47] <zeke1> 64
[12:47] <delire> Cesarin: yes it is a bit weird.. the wheel is the third button. my intellimouse is also up and running with: Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice" and protocol: Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[12:47] <zyph> Zodiac, cdrtools i think
[12:47] <Cesarin> above "configured mouse" ?
[12:48] <Zodiac> You sure zyph?
[12:48] <zyph> Zodiac, not really
[12:48] <zyph> Zodiac, lol
[12:48] <Zodiac> doH!
[12:48] <Cesarin> ok, added emulate 3rd button
[12:48] <LinuxJones> kuroishinzoo, what's wrong ?
[12:48] <zeke1> Cesarin: v5.04 64bit
[12:48] <delire> Zodiac: you don't need an extra package i believe..
[12:48] <Zodiac> I remember is sounding differnt
[12:48] <Zodiac> well
[12:48] <h08817> how to install to beginning of hd?
[12:48] <Cesarin> zekel: breezy = 5.10
[12:48] <funkyHat> Zodiac, there's a good chance that package will link the one that K3b does need
[12:48] <Zodiac> when I try to burn mp3z, it tells me it cant
[12:48] <funkyHat> delire, you do
[12:48] <delire> Cesarin: be careful and make sure it looks just like the other options in that same block of lines.
[12:48] <zeke1> Cesarin: so how do i fix that
[12:48] <delire> funkyHat: oh..
[12:49] <Cesarin> Idid, lined up everything
[12:49] <h08817> !install
[12:49] <ubotu> I heard install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[12:49] <delire> Cesarin: good, no extra quotes and things..
[12:49] <Cesarin> zekel: no idea, I'm a noob using Breezy, but I had a problem with networking at start
[12:49] <zyph> synaptic is teh shiznat
[12:49] <Cesarin> ok, then should I log out and then press control + alt + backstpace?
[12:50] <Zodiac> doh
[12:50] <Zodiac> That wasnt it
[12:50] <Zodiac> hmmm
[12:50] <Zodiac> I had it in Hoary
[12:50] <Cesarin> zyph: I agree,m a lot of stuff should be there, and cant find them..
[12:50] <Cesarin> like flash's plugin
[12:50] <delire> Cesarin: really it is best to back up your old config first. maybe you should undo these changes and then do this?
[12:50] <zeke1> ok so anybody know how to fix or setup a network in ubuntu without breezy??
[12:50] <Zodiac> I have to remember to write this crap down
[12:50] <h08817> is it possible to install linux to the beginning of hte drive if windows is already installed?
[12:50] <zyph> wouldn't hotplug in theory detect and set up my mouse device?
[12:50] <Cesarin> delire: good idea I supose
[12:51] <delire> Cesarin: because if it doesn't work, you can be a little screwed and will need to edit this file from a console, using vim or nano.
[12:51] <zyph> Cesarin, just be glad you are in X
[12:51] <zyph> Cesarin, i've been screwed since i updated
[12:51] <Cesarin> delire: I know, already passed for that
[12:51] <delire> Cesarin: hehe ok.
[12:51] <Cesarin> because the new udev fucked up my mouse :P
[12:51] <Cesarin> had to rollback
[12:51] <zyph> lol
[12:51] <Cesarin> took me alot of troublers ( 4 hours )
[12:52] <kuroishinzoo> how do i change the permissions to the other harddrives??
[12:52] <Cesarin> zyph: actually,  I GOT SCREWED
[12:52] <Cesarin> but some guys helped me to recover
[12:52] <delire> Cesarin: upgrading to breezy ***prematurely*** i take it ;)?
[12:52] <zyph> Cesarin: oh yeah? share the knowledge!
[12:52] <kuroishinzoo> i want to access them
[12:52] <Cesarin> delire: im a total noob of linux man
[12:52] <Cesarin> I just downloaded the CD IMAGE wich I tought was the newest, and _STABLE_ ;P
[12:52] <Cesarin> burned it, and installed yesterday
[12:52] <zeke1> ok so anybody know how to fix or setup a network in ubuntu without breezy??
[12:52] <delire> kids, always wanting the latest and greatest ;)
[12:52] <zyph> breezy preview XD
[12:52] <Cesarin> first I had problems with my videocard ( radeon 9800 pro ) and the monitor frecuency
[12:53] <delire> zyph: note 'preview' ;)
[12:53] <zyph> *bites delire
[12:53] <Cesarin> then fixed that, but then the patches fuxed up my mouse, thus X didnt ran :P
[12:53] <delire> hehe
[12:53] <zyph> *chomp*
[12:53] <Cesarin> delire: im a windoze guy
[12:53] <kuroishinzoo> meep
[12:53] <zyph> it's updates fault
[12:53] <Cesarin> so you know how fast you have to update, if not, you're screwed with new viruses ;)
[12:53] <zyph> it's like, hey you there, update ubuntu
[12:53] <delire> Cesarin: good for you for diving into this..
[12:53] <zeke1> how do i setup my network and adsl?
[12:53] <zyph> and i'm like no, but it wouldn't be quiet, so i gave in to peer pressure
[12:53] <Cesarin> delire: well, I want my brain to "grow"
[12:54] <delire> Cesarin: precisely, i understand the urge.
[12:54] <Cesarin> not just be a bill gate's slave ;)
[12:54] <delire> Cesarin: and it will with Linux...
[12:54] <zyph> it's so much better to be a slave to linux then...
[12:54] <Cesarin> ok then..
[12:54] <zyph> blah
[12:54] <delire> Cesarin: i switched some 7 years ago from windows and i'm still learning huge amounts.
[12:54] <Cesarin> now help me to install that goodamn flash player :P
[12:54] <Cesarin> jk lol
[12:54] <zyph> *zyph hides his ass*
[12:54] <LinuxJones> zeke1, do sudo network-admin and see if your network card is there.
[12:55] <h08817> hey i have a question anyone willing to hear it?
[12:55] <zyph> ifconfig anyone?
[12:55] <delire> h08817: just ask
[12:55] <Cesarin> brb btw, gotta see if theinfamous X works
[12:55] <zyph> zeke1: man ifconfig
[12:55] <zyph> heh
[12:55] <h08817> i've been for 20 mins and no one even attempts to say yes or no that they can help
[12:55] <zyph> yes i can help
[12:55] <zyph> no i don't know
[12:56] <h08817> ok
[12:56] <zeke1> LinuxJones: it says cant find any devices
[12:56] <h08817> ha ha
[12:56] <delire> h08817: sometimes people are busy or distracted. try again..
[12:56] <zyph> my brain has fried
[12:56] <LinuxJones> zeke1, do you know what kind of network card you have ?
[12:56] <zyph> h08817: i've been working on this all day and am selfish
[12:56] <zeke1> yeah i have 2 onboar on nvidia nforce4: one is realtek other is marvel
[12:56] <thinman> what command to know which level are u running for network ?
[12:57] <LinuxJones> do you know the model of the realtek ?
[12:57] <thinman> who -r ?
[12:57] <zyph> i don't get the udev thing
[12:57] <LinuxJones> zeke1, sorry zeke1 ^^
[12:57] <h08817> well i need to get linux on my 160GB hd and my bios doesn't support ginormous hds and i get a grub error of 18 when i install linux so i found out that i need to install linux to the beginning of my hd the fist 1024 cylinders and I was wondering how do i do that?
[12:57] <zeke1> LinuxJones: im not exactly sure right now
[12:57] <cesarin> ok apes, here I am
[12:58] <LinuxJones> zeke1, do lspci and see if it lists the realtek card model
[12:58] <cesarin> holy shit batman..... Rita is now cat 5
[12:58] <zyph> cesarin: yeah i know
[12:58] <zeke1> LinuxJones: ok gotta log in again to linux will be back
[12:58] <zyph> so how do i do this udev thing?
[12:59] <LinuxJones> zeke1, ok
[12:59] <cesarin> buauajajajaja, the weather doesnt like bush :P
[12:59] <cesarin> its stalking all poor guys from new orleans
[12:59] <crimsun> zyph: presuming you're running Breezy, just update && upgrade
[12:59] <delire> h08817: hmm what about partitioning this into two partitions?
[12:59] <h08817> delire: what do u mean
[12:59] <zyph> crimsun: ok, it'll try it then
[12:59] <cesarin> crimsun: remember to dont update the UDEV version
[12:59] <cesarin> or it will destroy your "X"
[12:59] <The_Bastard> can ubunt use RPMs or Tarballs?
[01:00] <The_Bastard> ubuntu even
[01:00] <delire> h08817: you want to put Linux onto this 160GB disk?
[01:00] <cesarin> delire: the mouse doesnt seem to work :/
[01:00] <cesarin> should I just restart my computer completely?
[01:00] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, what are you trying to install /
[01:00] <h08817> i do do that i have xp on part of it and then i create a partition for linux and on hte first boot i get the error 18
[01:00] <delire> cesarin: you managed to get into X?
[01:00] <cesarin> yeha
[01:00] <The_Bastard> some network monitoring stuff
[01:00] <zyph> cirmsun: public key is not available?
[01:00] <h08817> after the install
[01:00] <erUSUL> The_Bastard: it can but you should not use them
[01:00] <cesarin> Iloged out, then pressed control + alt + backstpace
[01:00] <cesarin> then loged in again
[01:00] <cesarin> and it didnt do anything :P
[01:01] <The_Bastard> ok
[01:01] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, which programs they nmight be in the universe or multiverse repositories
[01:01] <cesarin> running fine, but I dont see any changes
[01:01] <delire> cesarin: hmm, do you have another mouse handy to check whether the wheel works at all?
[01:01] <erUSUL> The_Bastard: is asking for trauble
[01:01] <delire> cesarin: unplug it and in again.
[01:01] <crimsun> cesarin: err, what?
[01:01] <cesarin> mouse handy? o_O
[01:01] <cesarin> crimsun: what what? o_O
[01:01] <zyph> crimsun: public key is not available?
[01:01] <cesarin> delire: ok, will do,brb
[01:01] <The_Bastard> ok then can one of you suggest an app that can monitor usage on my network and help me steal bandwith during lan games
[01:01] <zyph> crimsun what the heck does that mean?
[01:02] <crimsun> cesarin: what are you referring to with "remember to dont update the UDEV version"?
[01:02] <The_Bastard> like all the other computers give up bandwith to mine ^_^
[01:02] <crimsun> zyph: I need more context
[01:02] <cesarin> crimson: I updated that, to .60 version
[01:02] <The_Bastard> the only linuxbox on the net
[01:02] <puff> Hm... I just tried to use System/Log Out/Hibernate, and I'm still here.
[01:02] <cesarin> and it destroyed my X giving me mouse errors
[01:02] <cesarin> had to force it to go back to .30 version
[01:02] <zyph> crimsun: i don't know how to output text to irc in console mode
[01:02] <cesarin> delire: nope, it still doesnt work
[01:02] <crimsun> cesarin: huh? what are you talking about ".30"?
[01:03] <delire> h08817: short of using some pretty hacky techniques i (others might) don't know of an easy way to install onto the first 1024 cylinders.. why not try upgrading your bios from windows and see if you can get support for such a big disk?
[01:03] <cesarin> ......
[01:03] <cesarin> crimsun: UDEV version
[01:03] <zyph> crimsun: gpg error
[01:03] <cesarin> 0.060-lubuntu14 is broken
[01:03] <crimsun> cesarin: no, 14 is the fixed version
[01:03] <h08817> delire: and how am i supposed to update my bios with a software upgrade?
[01:03] <cesarin> at least for me :P
[01:03] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, how many computers are on your network ?
[01:03] <kuroishinzoo> can somebody help me??
[01:03] <cesarin> well I refuse to try it again for now heh :P
[01:03] <The_Bastard> well in a lan party upto 30
[01:04] <cesarin> I insalled the .60 yesterday
[01:04] <cesarin> and ruined my X :P
[01:04] <delire> cesarin: what is the exact name of this mouse?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, you want to lag your opponents ?
[01:04] <cesarin> Delire: microsoft intellimouse explorer v3
[01:04] <zyph> crimsun: apt got messed up
[01:04] <crimsun> cesarin: that was ubuntu13. It was fixed in ubuntu14.
[01:04] <cesarin> USB mode
[01:04] <ThePyromaniac> wahoo! the guys at #C++ got me making C++ Code :D!
[01:04] <cesarin> ok crimson, then ill check that version later
[01:04] <erUSUL> kuroishinzoo: ask
[01:04] <delire> h08817: you have a windows partition? if so i would do it using an installer shipped by the motherboard manufacturer.
[01:05] <zyph> crimsun: what is the source list for ubuntu?
[01:05] <cesarin> delire: 1 mousewhell, 1 mousewhell button, 2 buttons infront  and 2 buttons (foward and back ) on the side
[01:05] <The_Bastard> well that to lol
[01:05] <crimsun> zyph: paste the error onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:05] <The_Bastard> i play diffrent games then them
[01:05] <delire> cesarin: that is a well supported mouse AFAIK.
[01:05] <The_Bastard> they use windows boxes
[01:05] <zyph> crimsun: i can't, i'm in console, and i don't have mouse services
[01:05] <The_Bastard> and play ragnarok >.<
[01:05] <cesarin> dlire: maybe I should update the UDEV?
[01:05] <The_Bastard> which steals butloads of bandwith from my gamers
[01:05] <The_Bastard> games even
[01:05] <crimsun> zyph: why don't you have mouse service?
[01:06] <delire> cesarin: well i am not sure that will do much. does the mouse cursor actually move when you move the mouse?
[01:06] <zyph> crimsun: because i have no mouse device
[01:06] <h08817> delire: o ok i have that cd
[01:06] <zyph> crimsun: it got fcked up when i updated
[01:06] <cesarin> zyph: no core pointer error?
[01:06] <The_Bastard> so i want to find smething to exploit my network and give me bandwith when i need it
[01:06] <h08817> delire: my motherboard cd and so u think i should just install the cd?
[01:06] <zyph> crimsun: right!
[01:06] <cesarin> delire,  yeah, everything works just fine
[01:06] <cesarin> except the mousewhell
[01:06] <crimsun> zyph: did you ''sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade'' ?
[01:06] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, I'm not helping you do that
[01:06] <delire> h08817: if your bios doesn't support such big disks then you will be getting mixed messages (or just errors) from grub.
[01:06] <LinuxJones> :)
[01:06] <cesarin> the mouse by itself, is detected as a "generic" mouse
[01:06] <The_Bastard> O_o
[01:07] <zyph> crimsun: not sure
[01:07] <The_Bastard> it's my network i set it up
[01:07] <delire> cesarin: but the wheel doesn't work?
[01:07] <The_Bastard> O_O
[01:07] <cesarin> nope
[01:07] <zyph> crimsun: should i?
[01:07] <cesarin> neither the forward and back buttons
[01:07] <cesarin> just the main buttons
[01:07] <crimsun> zyph: then type it at the keyboard now
[01:07] <cesarin> and middle
[01:07] <The_Bastard> and it's in my house on my property
[01:08] <erUSUL> The_Bastard: neither I
[01:08] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, that's doesn't mean you should be cheating the other players. (This is off-topic conversation BTW)
[01:08] <The_Bastard> omg you guys are so mean
[01:08] <delire> cesarin: do you have a line like:         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2" ... in your xorg.conf?
[01:08] <zyph> crimsun: should it be connecting to us.debian.org?
[01:08] <cesarin> yeah
[01:08] <crimsun> zyph: no, why would it?
[01:08] <kuroishinzoo> ive got some problems with permissions and so on
[01:08] <The_Bastard> ok well thanx and sorry about the off topic
[01:08] <cesarin> crimsun: want me to tell him how I fixed my no core pointer error?
[01:08] <zyph> crimsun: i think i tried using dselect and it reset all my defaults to debian stable
[01:08] <LinuxJones> kuroishinzoo, permissions on windows partitions ?
[01:08] <cesarin> I wrote the instructions on a paper ^
[01:08] <delire> cesarin: use my name if you are writing to me so i can see you..
[01:08] <omp> kuroishinzoo: you need to be more specific
[01:08] <cesarin> delire, okey
[01:09] <wolki> hi!
[01:09] <cesarin> delire,  still not used to xchat heh :>
[01:09] <tombs> hi ppl
[01:09] <cesarin> <--mIRC moron
[01:09] <LinuxJones> The_Bastard, that's ok you can ask in #off-topic
[01:09] <unf> nas
[01:09] <crimsun> zyph: then reset them to the Ubuntu repositories
[01:09] <delire> cesarin: oks
[01:09] <The_Bastard> kk
[01:09] <zyph> crimsun: still not working
[01:09] <kuroishinzoo> i have ubuntu 5.10 and im new on using linux
[01:09] <shackan> anybody who got vlc to spit some audio here ?
[01:09] <zyph> crimsun: how do i do that?
[01:09] <delire> cesarin: so.. you do have the line:         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[01:09] <P229> is there a way to install a local deb with synaptic?
[01:09] <crimsun> zyph: ask the bot, ubotu, about the default repositories.
[01:09] <cesarin> delire, yes I do
[01:09] <kuroishinzoo> i cant access my hdd
[01:09] <zyph> ubotu?
[01:09] <LinuxJones> kuroishinzoo, ok your trying to access files from windows ?
[01:09] <delire> cesarin: hmm
[01:10] <omp> kuroishinzoo: are you using the sudo command?
[01:10] <cesarin> should it be ImUSB?
[01:10] <cesarin> since im using my mouse in USB mode
[01:10] <zyph> where is ubotu?
[01:10] <kuroishinzoo> i dont have windows on my computer :)
[01:10] <crimsun> shackan: System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck Enable sound server startup, then start vlc
[01:10] <omp> kuroishinzoo: are you susing sudo or not? :)
[01:10] <kuroishinzoo> ive tried
[01:10] <crimsun> shackan: when you're finished using vlc, reenable that checkbox
[01:10] <delire> cesarin: and this line? :         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[01:10] <cesarin> yeah it does
[01:10] <zyph> crimsun: where is ubotu?
[01:10] <shackan> installed vlc, installed vlc-plugin-esd, chosed EsounD as default output module, still no sound -> [00000280]  esd audio output error: cannot open esound socket (format 0x00001021 at 44100 Hz)
[01:10] <delire> cesarin: hmm hmm
[01:11] <crimsun> zyph: right here in the channel, why?
[01:11] <LinuxJones> kuroishinzoo, ok what is on /dev/hda ?
[01:11] <zyph> crimsun: i didn't know
[01:11] <The_Bastard> off topic is empty >.<
[01:11] <crimsun> shackan: is esd running?
[01:11] <kuroishinzoo> only the root can access the hdb and hdc
[01:11] <cesarin> delire,  want me to scratch your goote while you think? :P
[01:11] <omp> kuroishinzoo: if you are doing something from within a terminal and getting permission errors, make sure you are doing " sudo commandhere "
[01:11] <zyph> ubotu: what are the default repositories?
[01:11] <ubotu> zyph: I think you lost me on that one
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> whats the command to run eye of gnome?
[01:12] <crimsun> ubotu: !repositories
[01:12] <ubotu> crimsun: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:12] <shackan> crimsun, I forgot to say I already killed esd
[01:12] <omp> kuroishinzoo: if you don't know already, sudo gives you root permissions
[01:12] <nalioth> GhostFreeman: try eog
[01:12] <crimsun> shackan: then restart esd before you start vlc
[01:12] <zyph> ubotu: !repositories
[01:12] <wolki> cesarin: your mouse not working? had the same problem today
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> ok
[01:12] <kuroishinzoo> but i cant access them anywhay
[01:12] <zyph> ubotu: tell me about repositories
[01:12] <kuroishinzoo> anyway
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> eog works
[01:12] <delire> cesarin: no, my goatee is not free hairware. hmm then in this case, i would ask to see if any one else has this same mouse and then simply consult their xorg.conf. very weird..
[01:12] <shackan> crimsun, so vlc wants esd running (argh, too many TLA for me :) or not ?
[01:13] <kuroishinzoo> shall i use the command in the terminal??
[01:13] <cesarin> wolki: my mouse is working, I fixed it already but it just does the basics, not all buttons
[01:13] <zyph> ubotu: tell me about default repositories
[01:13] <zyph> ubotu: help me dammit
[01:13] <cesarin> delire: but you sure a usb mouse should be set to "Im PS/2" ?
[01:13] <crimsun> shackan: well if you're trying to use the esd output for vlc, yes, it makes sense to have esd running
[01:13] <cesarin> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositories%29 <-- default repositories
[01:13] <wolki> cesarin: ok then it's not the same problem.
[01:13] <kuroishinzoo> now im root
[01:13] <crimsun> zyph: see what cesarin pasted
[01:13] <cesarin> woki. actuall yI had a fatal error with the mouse
[01:13] <delire> cesarin: that works for the intellimouse yes.
[01:13] <cesarin> but fixed already by going back on the UDEV
[01:13] <zyph> crimsun: console... remember?
[01:14] <cesarin> delire: weird.. isnt there a tool to auto force X to autodetect my mouse?
[01:14] <crimsun> zyph: so? use w3m
[01:14] <befortin> suckers
[01:14] <zacch> hi, I'm using Breezy Preview - how I can I disable the synaptic icon in Gnome? (in the upper right corner)
[01:14] <shackan> crimsun, it's linux, often what 'makes sense' does not work :) thanks a lot anyway, started esd and same error, I'll see what's wrong here...
[01:14] <ORiON2012> zacch: right click it
[01:14] <cesarin> zacch: disable notifications? o_O
[01:14] <ORiON2012> zacch: should be obvious after that
[01:14] <crimsun> shackan: works fine here
[01:14] <delire> cesarin: why not backup your config and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:15] <cesarin> delire: because I did that like 20 times , and it didnt worked with the botched UDEV lol
[01:15] <cesarin> and im scared to ruin it again :P
[01:15] <zyph> crimsun: so how do i copy that to the next console?
[01:15] <kuroishinzoo> i want to give all the users permission to the whole computer but how??
[01:15] <zacch> ORiON2012, I have them disabled already. but the icon still sits there
[01:15] <cesarin> Ill install the latest UDEV and we'll see how it goes :P
[01:15] <delire> cesarin: ok.. sure
[01:15] <crimsun> zyph: type it.
[01:16] <sn0n> hey, anyone else have the resolution problem when they come back from screensaver sometimes? like.. everything is jumbled on the screen (and only way to fix is Ctrl Shift - +_
[01:16] <delire> kuroishinzoo: ****extremely unwise****
[01:16] <erUSUL> kuroishinzoo, you do not want to do that...
[01:16] <zyph> nevermind
[01:16] <nalioth> hi battlecat
[01:16] <LinuxJones> kuroishinzoo, that's not good :)
[01:16] <cesarin> wolki: what problem you have?
[01:16] <kuroishinzoo> why??
[01:16] <cesarin> and Im leaving to college, will you be here later delire ?
[01:16] <kuroishinzoo> its only me who work on the computer
[01:16] <sn0n> kuroishinzoo, but your online
[01:16] <erUSUL> kuroishinzoo, anybody could do rm -Rf / and wipe out your computer
[01:16] <kuroishinzoo> yes
[01:17] <delire> kuroishinzoo: and people on the other side of the earth.
[01:17] <sn0n> if ANYTHING malicious happens.. ur.. well.. shit outta luck
[01:17] <erUSUL> kuroishinzoo, even you by mistake
[01:17] <funkyHat> can someone using hoary tell me the name of the package in synaptic that starts libqt3 and ends in -mt
[01:17] <sn0n> funkyHat, LoL.. are you having a Opera moment ?
[01:17] <cesarin> delire, : will you be here later?
[01:17] <crimsun> funkyHat: use packages.ubuntu.com to search
[01:17] <funkyHat> sn0n, i'm reporting the bug that i patched earlier to opera :P
[01:17] <sn0n> funkyHat, libqt3c102-mt_3.3.4-3_i386.deb
[01:17] <delire> cesarin: i write from Europe. very late here.
[01:18] <funkyHat> thanks :)
[01:18] <cesarin> ic, then by tomorrow I supose?
[01:18] <sn0n> thats what got opera running for me ;-)
[01:18] <delire> cesarin: perhaps..
[01:18] <cesarin> delire, well thanks  alof for the help anyway
[01:18] <funkyHat> no doubt they'll fix it when breezy is released, but it can't hurt
[01:18] <duce> Hm, I have problems in installing (k)ubuntu - X ist starting after the installation, but then nothing else is happening...
[01:18] <cesarin> see you guys later
[01:18] <delire> cesarin: no problem..
[01:18] <kuroishinzoo> but how do i give other users permission to access the other hdd then??
[01:18] <DGH> hey all
[01:18] <cesarin> I hopefully will learn how to install the rest of the stuff I do use constantly :P
[01:18] <cesarin> bye
[01:19] <carlk> how do I get a fixed DNS IP to be used?  (I have been messing with dhclient.conf with no luck)
[01:19] <sn0n> im assuming the udev ubuntu14 is the fixed one?
[01:19] <shackan> crimsun, funny, rather than sound, I get a lot of garbage on the console, I assume the sound data goes out actually, but only to the wrong place :D
[01:19] <kuroishinzoo> they are mounted but i cant access the information on them
[01:19] <crimsun> sn0n: well, yes, hence I changed the topic.
[01:19] <sn0n> oo.. sry.. lol.. didnt even look
[01:19] <delire> kuroishinzoo: using the 'user' option in /etc/fstab
[01:19] <kuroishinzoo> ??
[01:19] <erUSUL> !tell kuroishinzoo about WindowsDrives
[01:20] <DGH> can anyone help me explain how to fix totem/gstreamer audio being out of sync?  Is the only way to use the xine back end instead?
[01:20] <delire> kuroishinzoo: eg: "/dev/hda3  /otherdisk  vfat ro,user,noauto  0  0"
[01:20] <sn0n> DGH: when you figure it out.. let me know.. i hate watching office space like a kung fu movie
[01:20] <delire> kuroishinzoo: see /etc/fstab. 'fstab == File System TABle
[01:21] <DGH> no doubt
[01:21] <sn0n> xine didnt even work
[01:21] <sn0n> i did EVERYTHING the manuals said
[01:21] <DGH> I've heard some folks have had luck doing that
[01:21] <sn0n> google'd for like 4 days..
[01:21] <delire> kuroishinzoo: to enable them to read AND write to that disk you would change 'ro' (Read Only) to 'rw' (Read Write)
[01:22] <sn0n> ended up setting up a windows box.. LoL..
[01:22] <sn0n> now i have a win2k running as my media box
[01:22] <sn0n> lol
[01:22] <zyph> crimsun: ok it talks about using synaptic, i know how to use synaptic
[01:22] <DGH> have not tried it myself, figure it should work correctly as is or should be scrapped/repackaged 'til it does
[01:22] <erUSUL> sn0n, my xine works out of the box on hoary whats the problem?
[01:22] <ORiON2012> DGH: xine backend works for most, gstreamer has issues for many
[01:22] <zyph> crimson, you know what i don't care, i'm too hot and too pissed and i need a smoke
[01:23] <sn0n> erUSUL, dont worry, it wont get fixed by me telling you, i've done EVERYTHING
[01:23] <Octane> can someone please tell me -- how do i get an "aptitude dist-upgrade" to respect my manually removed packages (IE Kopete0
[01:23] <delire> ORiON2012: this should be resolved when breezy goes live.
[01:23] <zyph> crimson: i think i'll just shoot my computer
[01:23] <j-linux> Is there a keyboard shortcut for opening a terminal?  This would be very helpful...
[01:23] <Octane> CTRL+ALT+F1-6
[01:24] <sn0n> when will breezys kernel be compiled with gcc 4?
[01:24] <kuroishinzoo> /dev/hda3  /otherdisk  vfat ro,user,noauto  0  0
[01:24] <delire> Octane: if you have manually removed them they won't be upgraded or installed. when you say 'manually' do you mean apt-get remove or dpkg -P or using synaptic?
[01:24] <ORiON2012> delire: totem's gstreamer backend hasn't worked for me for a LONG time and accross 3 diferent distros
[01:24] <kuroishinzoo> access denied
[01:24] <funkyHat> Octane, that might not be what j-linux meant
[01:24] <j-linux> Octane: I know those, but is there anyway to do it within Gnome?
[01:24] <erUSUL> j-linux, in System->preferences->key combinations?
[01:24] <DGH> I've noticed the same ORiON2012
[01:24] <delire> kuroishinzoo: 'otherdisk' is not meant to be taken literally ;)
[01:24] <j-linux> erUSUL: so there is not a special universal keyboard shortcut in Linux?  You have to make your own?
[01:24] <kuroishinzoo> lol
[01:25] <erUSUL> kuroishinzoo, you mounted ro (read only) change that for rw
[01:25] <delire> kuroishinzoo: replace that with what ever disk you want people to have access to. as always, use what is written here as a guide ;)
[01:25] <kuroishinzoo> soory
[01:25] <DGH> figured there may be some obvious fix somewhere though, I guess not.
[01:25] <kuroishinzoo> sorry
[01:25] <erUSUL>  /dev/hda3  /otherdisk  vfat *rw*,user,noauto  0  0
[01:25] <delire> kuroishinzoo: hey we're all new once ;)
[01:25] <sn0n> when will breezys kernel be compiled with gcc 4?  anyone know ?
[01:25] <Octane> delire: i did aptitude remove kopete, but now whenever i do a dist-upgrade it wants to install it again (Along with metapackage kubutnu-desktop)
[01:25] <yereth> anyone know what would be good variables to give to /etc/apt/preferences to make ubuntu downgrade to hoary?
[01:25] <delire> erUSUL: yes, i told him that.
[01:25] <erUSUL> j-linux, in linux everything is user configurable
[01:25] <delire> Octane: ahah, do this 'dpkg -l | grep kopete'
[01:25] <subterrific> sn0n: i don't think breezy's kernel will ever be compiled with gcc4, that might be a breezy+1 thing
[01:26] <DGH> j-linux: system>preferences>keyboard shortcuts and make one
[01:26] <delire> Octane: see anything there?
[01:26] <Octane> delire: rc  kopete                                          3.4.2-0ubuntu3                       instant messenger for KDE
[01:26] <Octane> ahh i gotta remove it using dpkg, huh
[01:26] <sn0n> subterrific, then how am i suppsed to compile vmware modules to work? or nvidia drivers?
[01:26] <yereth> setting a=stable really high and a=testing low doesn't work..  l=hoary and l=breezy doesn't work either
[01:26] <yereth> anyone?
[01:26] <j-linux> erUSUL: that is the great thing about it... :)  I was just wondering if there was a preset one, like ALT-f4 closes windows, etc.  I'll use the menu and make one
[01:26] <subterrific> sn0n: install gcc3.4
[01:26] <cafuego_> You're not supposed to compile nvidia drivers, they're prebuild.
[01:27] <delire> Octane: hmm, see it wasnt removed. this time do this. 'sudo dpkg -P kopete'
[01:27] <alejandro> whats up evryone
[01:27] <sn0n> i think ur missing my point.. if breezy ships with a gcc 4 and a kernel compiled with gcc 3.4... ALOT of craps gonna be.. broken
[01:27] <alejandro> its my first time
[01:27] <Octane> delire: i dont get why an aptitude remove didnt remove it
[01:27] <cafuego_> sn0n: No, it's not.
[01:27] <delire> Octane: the -P flag means 'Purge' eg total cleanse.
[01:27] <alejandro> trying jubuntu
[01:27] <subterrific> sn0n: no it isn't
[01:27] <Octane> right
[01:27] <kuroishinzoo> /dev/hda3  /hdc1  vfat rw,user,noauto  0  0
[01:27] <DGH> well yeah, you kind of are, but they compile against a binary lib (when you use their installer and not the prepackaged ubuntu form)
[01:27] <cafuego_> sn0n: Only if (like say redhat) you compile the kernel with a BROKEN gcc.
[01:27] <kuroishinzoo> like this then??
[01:27] <yereth> cafuego_: do you know what kind of Pin variables could work?
[01:27] <subterrific> sn0n: gcc3 and gcc4 are compatible for every language except c++
[01:27] <DGH> thanks for the info again, later all
[01:28] <sn0n> then why cant i compile my pretty lil vmware modules ?
[01:28] <sn0n> ;-)
[01:28] <delire> Octane: yes, that does seem strange. regardless, apt and aptitude are advanced, network friendly frontends to dpkg, the real package manager in debian systems.
[01:28] <Octane> delire: look! it's still there when i try to do a dist-upgrade: The following NEW packages will be installed: adept debtags kdebluetooth kdenetwork kopete kubuntu-desktop lib32gcj6...
[01:28] <erUSUL> kuroishinzoo, yes this will do
[01:28] <cafuego_> yereth: If you just run hoary you don't need to pin.
[01:28] <Octane> delire: im not TOO much of a newbie :)
[01:28] <delire> Octane: something else is relying on kopete.
[01:28] <subterrific> sn0n: because you haven't applied the patch for vmware to compile with 2.6.12?
[01:28] <sn0n> wtf.. where i get that ?
[01:28] <sn0n> lol
[01:28] <Octane> delire: only thing that's relying on kopete are metapackages kubuntu-desktop
[01:28] <yereth> cafuego_: was actually meaning to ask crimsun, but thanx for responding anyway.. damn tab-completion ;)
[01:28] <delire> Octane: kopete is a dependency of another package.. i would say it's kubuntu-desktop
[01:28] <Octane> and kdenetowrk
[01:29] <yereth> cafuego_: I am downgrading you see
[01:29] <delire> Octane: are you using KDE?
[01:29] <Octane> kdenetwork*
[01:29] <subterrific> sn0n: vmware's site
[01:29] <Octane> yup kubuntu
[01:29] <sn0n> you happen to know the url ?
[01:29] <Octane> delire: kubuntu-desktop and kdenetwork are both metapackages
[01:29] <erUSUL> delire, well this description is not acurate apt resolves dependencies and install them
[01:29] <kuroishinzoo> it must be wrong.. because the terminalsays that the file dont exist
[01:29] <sn0n> (to the pathches)
[01:29] <delire> Octane: well dependencies are dependencies.. not much you can do about that without getting into some less useful territory.
[01:29] <sn0n> hehe.. nevermind
[01:29] <subterrific> sn0n: nope, i just know this from a friend who told me he got vmware working on breezy
[01:29] <cyphase> is there a good server management interface?
[01:30] <delire> erUSUL: advanced frontends seems 'apt' to me ;)
[01:30] <sn0n> i see there is a Updates/Patches
[01:30] <yereth> anyone experience with DOWNGRADING and /etc/apt/preferences
[01:30] <yereth> ?
[01:30] <cafuego_> cyphase: Yes, 'bash'.
[01:30] <Octane> i guess ill just use apt-get instead of aptitude
[01:30] <cyphase> cafeugo_, you know what i mean
[01:30] <cafuego_> cyphase: Can't say I do.
[01:30] <sn0n> hmm
[01:30] <sn0n> thats all esx crap thou
[01:30] <kuroishinzoo> hda ext3 hdb ext3 hdc vfat
[01:31] <cyphase> well, something that doesn't require that much typing
[01:31] <erUSUL> delire, dpkg can not resolve dependencies apt dselect can they are more than front-ends
[01:31] <delire> Octane: personally i don't dist-upgrade, but i wouldn't advise Ubuntu users to do the same.
[01:31] <cyphase> a web interface maybe..
[01:31] <erUSUL> ;)
[01:31] <cafuego_> cyphase: No good ones, no.
[01:31] <Octane> why not dist-upgrade
[01:31] <delire> erUSUL: yes perhaps..
[01:31] <yereth> crimsun: are you there?
[01:31] <kuroishinzoo> i dont understand what is wrong
[01:31] <cyphase> what's the best one?
[01:31] <cyphase> besides webmin..
[01:31] <cyphase> lol
[01:31] <cafuego_> cyphase: Payware
[01:32] <cyphase> mhmm
[01:32] <delire> Octane: i use debian primarily, it's a habit i picked up..
[01:32] <cyphase> right
[01:32] <cafuego_> And even then it's fairly shit
[01:32] <davidino> hi all I'm a new user
[01:32] <yereth> question keywords: downgrade, breezy, hoary, help!
[01:33] <delire> kuroishinzoo: post your /etc/fsab to a pastebin.
[01:33] <Octane> yereth: no yes upgrade, ok!
[01:33] <yereth> earth to #ubuntu
[01:33] <ORiON2012> yereth: doesn't, work, well
[01:33] <cafuego_> yereth: You can't downgrade debian boxes.
[01:33] <delire> kuroishinzoo: /etc/*fstab
[01:33] <yereth> can't downgrade.. doesn't work.. no yes upgrade, ok
[01:33] <delire> cafuego_: you can but it will die in the process.
[01:33] <yereth> right.. that's clear
[01:33] <kuroishinzoo> where do i enter the chmod 777
[01:33] <cafuego_> yereth: *maybe* if you stripped it back to a base system, then did it manuall, then reinstalled stuff.
[01:33] <dooglus> is it worth making a bug report for typos in the manual pages of 'universe' packages, or should I just ignore it?
[01:34] <kuroishinzoo> wouldnt that work??
[01:34] <yereth> so my only chance is completely reinstalling then it seems
[01:34] <yereth> cafuego_: sounds tricky
[01:34] <yereth> and more work than reinstalling
[01:34] <GhostFreeman> is UbuntuGuide down?
[01:34] <cafuego_> GhostFreeman: yep
[01:34] <delire> kuroishinzoo: don't go making an entire partition rwx for all users, groups and others..
[01:34] <cafuego_> yereth: yes, it is.
[01:35] <P229> dooglus: do they affect the meaning of the text?
[01:35] <delire> kuroishinzoo: that's like leaving your card keys in the lock while you go for a quick beer.
[01:35] <yereth> cafuego_: NIS makes apt-get cry atm and my xserver is down
[01:35] <Octane> kuroishinzoo: in a shell, type "chmod 777 <file>"
[01:35] <GhostFreeman> cafuego_ you know why its down
[01:35] <dooglus> P229: no.  it just looks ugly.
[01:35] <cafuego_> yereth; To be honest, in my experience, NIS makes *everything* cry sometimes ;-)
[01:35] <cafuego_> GhostFreeman: karma
[01:35] <dooglus> P229: they wrote "choises" instead of "choices".  no biggie I guess.
[01:35] <ORiON2012> GhostFreeman: they're changing servers
[01:36] <yereth> cafuego_: I'm sre :)
[01:36] <P229> dooglus: personally, I wouldn't bother, but it certainly would make ubuntu (and, by extension, the community) look more professional
[01:36] <delire> Octane: AFAIK he wants to do this to his entire partition.
[01:36] <GhostFreeman> so it'll be back up
[01:36] <Octane> why would you want to 777 your entire part
[01:36] <nalioth> GhostFreeman: ubuntuguide is poison
[01:36] <delire> Octane: precis
[01:36] <yereth> cafuego_: would be nice if it wouldn't make apt stop functioning correctly
[01:36] <GhostFreeman> nalioth: I've found it resourceful
[01:36] <GhostFreeman> moreso than the Wiki
[01:37] <apokryphos> You *can* downgrade using apt_preferences
[01:37] <yereth> apokryphos: I've tried
[01:37] <delire> apokryphos: from unstable to stable? i've yet to see it ;)
[01:38] <yereth> apokryphos: it didn't seem to work somehow.. very annoying
[01:38] <apokryphos> delire: no, breezy to hoary
[01:38] <delire> apokryphos: right, harsh but doable perhaps.
[01:38] <apokryphos> if you pin ubuntu hoary above, erm, 1000?
[01:38] <cafuego_> Downgrading across libc6 incompatibilities, hmm, hurties.
[01:38] <apokryphos> then dist-upgrade; check the man apt_preferences
[01:38] <yereth> apokryphos: setting a=stable really high and a=testing low doesn't work..  l=hoary and l=breezy doesn't work either
[01:38] <P229> dooglus: ah
[01:38] <dooglus> P229: aah?
[01:39] <apokryphos> I didn't say that; I forgot exactly how; check the man page
[01:39] <kuroishinzoo> its only the hdb and hdc hdd
[01:39] <P229> dooglus: "oh, i see" :)
[01:39] <yereth> apokryphos: it doesn't say what variables to use exactly
[01:39] <apokryphos> I don't see why pinning hoary, changing your repos etc would work
[01:39] <kuroishinzoo> like chmod 777 /dev/hdc1 ??
[01:39] <dooglus> P229: I didn't say anything.
[01:40] <eno> so I am upgrading now, hong long does it take?
[01:40] <kuroishinzoo> like chmod 777 /dev/hdc1 ??
[01:40] <dcraven> kuroishinzoo: I really hope that drive isn't important for your system.
[01:40] <P229> dooglus: I guess that typo does kinda say "idiot" instead of "typographical error"
[01:40] <carlk> "network settings" has a place to enter DNS IP's, but they get overwritten by the next dhcp renew.  is that the way it is spozed to work?
[01:40] <delire> kuroishinzoo: jeez don't do that.
[01:41] <delire> kuroishinzoo: just mount the drive as i told you, with user,rw etc.
[01:41] <yereth> apokryphos: I pinned hoary with a high priority and breezy with a very low priority.. that was the whole point right?
[01:41] <dooglus> why oh why do the universe guys use such a crappy bug reporting system?
[01:41] <delire> kuroishinzoo: paste your fstab to a pastebin.. have you used a pastebin?
[01:41] <apokryphos> yereth: ask bob2, I think he knows (and I've gotta go now) -- saw him mention it IIRC.
[01:41] <dcraven> dooglus: Because they are trying to make it better.
[01:41] <kuroishinzoo> no
[01:42] <delire> dcraven: hehe strange redirection of the question there.
[01:42] <Linner> hey ya'll
[01:42] <apokryphos> adieu for now /me -> out
[01:42] <yereth> apokryphos: thanx and bye :)
[01:42] <kuroishinzoo> its my problem... i dont understand what your talking about.. :(
[01:42] <delire> kuroishinzoo: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[01:42] <dooglus> dcraven: it's not very good at the moment.  just spits out "500 Internal Server Error" whenever I try to visit.
[01:42] <Linner> sorry about that... i just had FiOS put in so it knocked me off line
[01:43] <delire> dooglus: that sounds broken, not crappy. perhaps they are working on it currently.
[01:43] <Linner> !tell Linner ati
[01:43] <dcraven> Malone is *constantly* being worked on it seems.
[01:43] <dooglus> maybe one day it will be nearly as good as bugzilla.
[01:43] <delire> kuroishinzoo: no matter, a pastebin is a place where people can paste text to be viewed by others for a short period of time.
[01:43] <delire> kuroishinzoo: think of it like a blackboard.
[01:43] <dcraven> I have a feeling kuroishinzoo is gonna bork his system...
[01:44] <koneng> how do i disconnect my ipod? my ipod's screen says "Do No Disconnect" but i don;t think it's mounted (its not on the desktop)
[01:44] <delire> dcraven: yes, he's close to breaking his system.
[01:44] <dcraven> delire: What mount is that drive that he's gonna 777?
[01:44] <delire> kuroishinzoo: do you know what chmod 777 means?
[01:44] <GhostFreeman> rwxrwxrwx
[01:44] <kuroishinzoo> yes i know..
[01:45] <kuroishinzoo> 124124124
[01:45] <delire> dcraven: he wants all users to be able to mount, read write execute on the partition.
[01:45] <kuroishinzoo> :P
[01:45] <delire> kuroishinzoo: well not exactly ;)
[01:45] <dcraven> Oh.. It's just a storage drive?
[01:45] <moparfan90> hello everyone
[01:45] <kuroishinzoo> i used it when i tried to install gentoo a couple of days ago..
[01:46] <delire> kuroishinzoo: why not paste that fstab and then i can paste a change for you to use?
[01:46] <kuroishinzoo> didnt work :(
[01:46] <dcraven> heh
[01:46] <moparfan90> how do i disable thing starting on boot?
[01:46] <delire> kuroishinzoo: paste what *didn't* work to that pastebin.
[01:46] <kuroishinzoo> what shall i write in the terminal?? :/
[01:46] <cafuego_> The iPod would't use a unix FS, so running chmod would be pointless. Mount it with umask,fmauk,dmask options set to FORCE it to 777.
[01:46] <dcraven> moparfan90: Can you be more specific as to what type of thing?
[01:46] <delire> kuroishinzoo: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ go to this page for me now.
[01:47] <eno> so I am upgrading to Breezy now, hong long should it take for all the downloads, an hour?
[01:47] <delire> cafuego_: ipod?
[01:47] <selinium> moparfan90, chmod -x the app in /etc/init.d
[01:47] <delire> kuroishinzoo: is this an ipod you're trying to mount?
[01:48] <dcraven> eno: Depends on your connection. There is much to download.
[01:48] <selinium> moparfan90, Be careful though, you might switch off something you need for the boot
[01:48] <kuroishinzoo> kuroishinzoo@RONJA:~$ sudo su
[01:48] <kuroishinzoo> Password:
[01:48] <kuroishinzoo> root@RONJA:/home/kuroishinzoo# /dev/hda3 /hdc1 vfat ro,user.noauto 0 0
[01:48] <kuroishinzoo> bash: /dev/hda3: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[01:48] <kuroishinzoo> root@RONJA:/home/kuroishinzoo#
[01:48] <eno> like what, a gig?
[01:48] <Linner> so are we still having problems with the upgrade to breezy?
[01:48] <cafuego_> delire: Didn't I see someone mention an ipod earleir?
[01:48] <koneng> i have an ipod that im trying to eject/disconnect
[01:48] <Linner> i know there were some serious problems today
[01:48] <delire> cafuego_ maybe, i didn't <checks>
[01:48] <enntee> Can anyone recommend an NFS alternative that works transparently?
[01:49] <delire> cafuego_ ahah different nicks.
[01:49] <dcraven> eno: When you apt-get dist-upgrade, it will tell you how much needs to be downloaded, and ask you whether to continue or not.
[01:49] <eno> oh ok 540MB
[01:49] <kuroishinzoo> no a 80gb hdd and an 120gb hdd..... they are mounted but i cant use them.. :(
[01:49] <cafuego_> delire: ugh, these kids today all look alike ;-)
[01:49] <delire> ;)
[01:49] <eno> so like an hour I guess, ;P
[01:49] <nalioth> enntee: once you get NFS set up, it IS transparent
[01:49] <enntee> nalioth: yeah, i know. but it's a PITA trying to keep my uid/gid's in sync
[01:50] <Linner> nalioth: hello :)
[01:50] <cafuego_> enntee: Then run 'ugidd' and don't do it manually
[01:50] <delire> kuroishinzoo: paste the fstab to the pastebin and i can help you.
[01:50] <test34> eno, then isnt it better to download the iso ?
[01:50] <enntee> cafuego: i'll read up on that. thanks for the tip
[01:50] <cafuego_> enntee: You only need to map UIDs by hand if you run an 3rd party OS like MacOS. Linux can handle it transparently by using the map_daemon option.
[01:50] <kuroishinzoo> fstab??
[01:51] <test34> kuroishinzoo, /etc/fstab
[01:51] <moparfan90> well whats some stuff i dont need at boot i can disable (i  dont run any servers or mail stuff)
[01:51] <SlicerDicer-> anybody use amarok for streaming?
[01:51] <dooglus> do I need the package "linux" and its dependancies?  what is it?
[01:52] <eno> gah!
[01:52] <kuroishinzoo> access denied
[01:52] <cafuego_> !info linux
[01:52] <test34> moparfan90, probably alot of stuff
[01:52] <karimw786> anyone know where i can get a xine plugin for firefox?
[01:52] <kuroishinzoo> sudo su
[01:52] <moparfan90> do you kow any off hand?
[01:52] <nalioth> dooglus: it'd be hard to get breezy to run on "windows and its dependencies"
[01:52] <kuroishinzoo> root
[01:52] <cafuego_> dooglus: There is no such package.
[01:52] <kuroishinzoo> /etc/fstab
[01:52] <dooglus> nalioth: but the package 'linux' I mean.
[01:52] <kuroishinzoo> access denied
[01:52] <dooglus> cafuego_: ?
[01:52] <delire> kuroishinzoo: copy thse contents of it to the pastebin URL i gave you earlier: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[01:52] <kuroishinzoo> :'(
[01:53] <nalioth> dooglus: you need it. you are running it, right?
[01:53] <Linner> ok so here's the thing... i was in here for quite some time this morning and for a while this afternoon and I'm still not getting anywhere.  I was told that if I wanted to dual boot that windoze needs to go in first then breezy on another partition.   Is there anything else I need to know before I start installing breezy for the FIFTH time???
[01:53] <cafuego_> dooglus: There is as far as I can tell no package named 'linux'.
[01:53] <nalioth> Linner: howdy
[01:53] <selinium> moparfan90, type  ls -r /etc/init.d in a term to see whatstarts
[01:53] <moparfan90> does anyone know how i can install the new version of limewire? its only in .rpm
[01:53] <Linner> nalioth: my hero :)
[01:53] <nalioth> Linner: nothing else than what we went over this morning
[01:53] <delire> kuroishinzoo: if you cannot read this important system file, use 'sudo cat /etc/fstab'
[01:53] <selinium> moparfan90, alien limewire.rpm
[01:53] <nalioth> Linner: as long as windows is on first, and you have free space, that's all you need to have
[01:54] <Gotardoooooooooo> @find metallica
[01:54] <Linner> nalioth: when i was in here about an hour ago, Seveas told me that there were some serious updating issues.
[01:54] <nalioth> moparfan90: you can use gtk-gnutella and stay out of the world of java pain
[01:54] <delire> kuroishinzoo: then copy those contents into the pastebin.
[01:54] <cafuego_> dooglus: Ah, in breezy there is. Virtual package that provides a kernel. Nah, you cna wipe it if you have a non-generic kernel.
[01:54] <dooglus> cafuego_: I think the 'linux' package is new for breezy.
[01:54] <Linner> nalioth: ok... i have plenty of space.. .that's no problem
[01:54] <kuroishinzoo> copy paste kuroishinzoo send :)
[01:54] <dooglus> I got my kernel from 'linux-image' I think
[01:54] <moparfan90> just type that in alien limewire.rpm?
[01:54] <nalioth> Linner: yes there are. the new-hardware-demon is biting you (and us)
[01:54] <cafuego_> Gotardoooooooooo: We don't have a warez bot, the actiual bot has '!' as cmd char, and metallica suck.
[01:55] <nalioth> moparfan90: java is evil, there are altervatives
[01:55] <Linner> I'm installing all my drivers now for windoze... I was also told nalioth that I should install mepis first since i can get it up and running and then install over it is that true?
[01:55] <Maikeru> let's say I had a text file in openoffice and somehow it was overwritten
[01:55] <Maikeru> is there a way to recover the contents? ;(
[01:55] <Linner> nalioth: yeah... i see i'm certainly not the only one with a stagnant breeze
[01:55] <Linner> :)
[01:55] <moparfan90> i know i dont like java to much but i like limewire
[01:55] <Maikeru> (it took me forever to write that
[01:55] <selinium> moparfan90, alien /route/to/limewire.rpm
[01:55] <moparfan90> ok
[01:55] <nalioth> Linner: you can do that. no guarantees that ubuntu will run any better afterward
[01:55] <selinium> moparfan90, download it first
[01:55] <cafuego_> Maikeru: Not likely. Does OOo have a 'revert' option?
[01:55] <Maikeru> and now I'll have to redo it if I can't recover
[01:55] <Linner> nalioth: would you do it?
[01:55] <Maikeru> ooh...good idea
[01:56] <nalioth> Linner: if it's breezy you want, i'd wait a few days
[01:56] <dooglus> Maikeru: try "control z".  It does "undo"
[01:56] <funkyHat> moparfan90, alternatively, you can use gtk-guntella, which uses the same network
[01:56] <nalioth> Linner: it finals oct 13
[01:56] <bur[n] er> are there any hardware purchases I can make that support ubuntu moreso than others?  say... Dell over HP?  or Distributor X has ubuntu preinstalled??
[01:56] <Maikeru> no I saved the contents
[01:56] <Maikeru> and closed
[01:56] <Maikeru> apparantly
[01:56] <Linner> nalioth: i'm not sure why breezy would be better than 5.02 at this point
[01:56] <delire> bur[n] er: HP sells Ubuntu preinstalled on their laptops.
[01:56] <Linner> i can't get anything on there that's related to Ubuntu!
[01:56] <dooglus> Maikeru: you'll probably need to restore from backup then
[01:56] <bur[n] er> delire: in the US?
[01:56] <Maikeru> ...
[01:56] <delire> bur[n] er: i'm not sure.
[01:56] <Maikeru> no backup
[01:56] <cafuego_> bur[n] er: I believe HP have a box with ubuntu on it. Probably only in the US, though.
[01:56] <Linner> delire: not on mine they didn't... and i just got mine a few weeks ago
[01:56] <Maikeru> it was a set of notes I did for class
[01:57] <Maikeru> two sections
[01:57] <delire> Linner: oh
[01:57] <Linner> delire: must be something REALLY new
[01:57] <cafuego_> Linner: it has nicer features you could use to make windoze users jealous ;-)
[01:57] <nalioth> Linner: breezy is more up-to-date on its hardware recognition things
[01:57] <enntee> hp doesn't offer it in the US, only South Africa right now
[01:57] <bur[n] er> I heard France has a dell laptop with ubuntu, but that doens' help me here ;)
[01:57] <cafuego_> Nah, also you don't want dell.
[01:57] <nalioth> bur[n] er: you can order a Dell here in the US
[01:57] <bur[n] er> nalioth: with ubuntu?
[01:57] <Linner> nalioth: so... ok... this might be a fix for my issues from this morning nalioth?
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> root@RONJA:/home/kuroishinzoo# sudo cat /etc/fstab
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> #
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[01:57] <nalioth> bur[n] er: with mandriva
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:57] <kuroishinzoo> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:58] <enntee> if HP offered ubuntu laptops in north america, i'd buy one immediately... finding a laptop i know is going to work with ubuntu is a PITA
[01:58] <kuroishinzoo> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:58] <cafuego_> !paste
[01:58] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:58] <bur[n] er> awww... that's not as cool ;)
[01:58] <moparfan90> how do i install a .deb file?
[01:58] <Linner> wow...
[01:58] <test34> I though dell had only intel+windows
[01:58] <bur[n] er> thansk for the tip though nalioth
[01:58] <Linner> that wasn't good
[01:58] <nalioth> kuroishinzoo: no pasting in here
[01:58] <bur[n] er> dell servers have redhat, but no ubuntu afaik
[01:58] <bimberi> moparfan90: sudo dpkg -i <debfile>
[01:58] <enntee> moparfan90: dpkg -i <file>
[01:58] <delire> kuroishinzoo: careful with those floods..
[01:58] <moparfan90> ok thanks
[01:58] <cafuego_> enntee: Check www.linux-laptop.net.  Do you have a budget? What sort of quality are you after?
[01:58] <delire> kuroishinzoo: just paste those contents to the pastebin. i see you haven't pasted that yet.
[01:59] <cafuego_> enntee: I think I heard talk about eMachines and an amd64 laptop.
[01:59] <nalioth> bur[n] er: here's the trick: get the modules source  code from the mandriva and compile them for ubuntu onthe same hardware
[01:59] <enntee> cafuego: $900 CDN
[01:59] <cafuego_> eh, bur[n] ereven
[01:59] <bur[n] er> heh... it's not making it work that's a pain... it's that I want to push my dollars I'd spend anyway toward ubuntu ;)
[01:59] <Linner> nalioth: have you used suse with it?
[01:59] <cafuego_> enntee: *nod* How much is an iBook 12" and a 802.11b USB dongle? :-)
[01:59] <test34> how do you edit the System menu ?
[01:59] <moparfan90> whats the java package called that limewire needs?
[02:00] <nalioth> kuroishinzoo: pastebin, my friend
[02:00] <enntee> cafuego: i'd really like an ibook :) do the wi-fi cards in them not work in ubuntu?
[02:00] <cafuego_> enntee: The airport extreme ones don't :-(
[02:00] <delire> enntee: that particular broadcom doesn't.
[02:00] <cafuego_> enntee: The older ones with normal airport work fine.
[02:01] <delire> enntee: anyway, get a recent Asus. they make the Apple iBooks.
[02:01] <enntee> cafuego: ack. OSX is a nice enough OS anyway.. bud im really dependent on virtual desktops
[02:01] <kuroishinzoo> okey
[02:01] <Linner> nalioth: have you used suse?
[02:01] <nalioth> moparfan90: use gtk-gnutella and save yourself some pain
[02:01] <cafuego_> enntee: OSX has freeware desktop pagers
[02:01] <dooglus> does limewire still bundle spyware?
[02:01] <moparfan90> i like limewire etter tho
[02:01] <cafuego_> enntee: Actually, Mac Minis are pretty portable ;-)
[02:01] <enntee> cafuego: yeah, but i'd miss banshee, and muine, and evolution, etc.
[02:01] <gpm> hi guys. i just installed gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse but i can't play AVI or WMV files in totem...they work fine in mplayer...any clues?
[02:01] <nalioth> Linner: i've used rh (arrgh), mepis, libranet, and ubuntu
[02:01] <Linner> does anyone know the difference between opensuse and suse 9.3
[02:01] <moparfan90> does anyone know the java package that limewire needs?
[02:02] <Linner> nalioth: did you like mepis?
[02:02] <nalioth> moparfan90: /msg ubotu java
[02:02] <cafuego_> !tell moparfan90 -about java
[02:02] <bimberi> moparfan90: you would need a JRE package - /msg ubotu java
[02:02] <nalioth> Linner: i liked it at the time, but imho, it's time has passed
[02:02] <jsubl2> gpm read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:02] <Linner> ok... it didn't seem that great to me when I got it running
[02:02] <Linner> nalioth: good ... i like to hear expert opinions on this stuff
[02:02] <Linner> :)
[02:03] <cafuego_> enntee: In pc-land, I think intel ipw2100 wifi all works fine under linux now, ipw2200 mostly works. (But don't quote me on that)
[02:03] <gpm> jsubl2: should it make a difference that i'm using breezy? the page says it's for hoary users.
[02:03] <nalioth> gpm: the instructions are the same
[02:03] <bimberi> enntee: my ipw2100 works fine :)
[02:04] <enntee> cafuego: yeah, i'm just in the shopping phase right now. there's some nice, cheap laptops.. but i'm worried i'm gonna find a sound card that doesn't work or something
[02:04] <cafuego_> enntee: The only other thing that may not work would be the winmkdeom.
[02:04] <cafuego_> winmodem
[02:04] <gpm> nalioth: should i still use hoary-extras though i am running breezy? or is there a breezy-extras somewhere?
[02:04] <delire> cafuego_ enntee ipw2200 works wonderfully here..
[02:04] <cafuego_> it's so evil, i can't even spell it ;-)
[02:04] <Linner> i'm downloading suse now since the link you guys posted before http://www.linux-laptop.net/ showed a successful install wtih suse
[02:04] <DewDude> enntee: most sound cards found in laptops will work
[02:04] <Linner> with something similar to my laptop
[02:04] <moparfan90> theres no jre package
[02:04] <nalioth> gpm: i'd wait on extras for a while
[02:04] <dooglus> does anyone here know and understand 'debfoster'?
[02:04] <delire> enntee: you can't go past recent IBM thinkpads for Linux compatibility. but they are expensive.
[02:05] <gpm> nalioth: so...just add multiverse/universe?
[02:05] <nalioth> Linner: are you getting an install image or the 'live-cd'?
[02:05] <enntee> delire: yeah, i had considered those as well
[02:05] <Linner> install image
[02:05] <dooglus> I'm been trying to understand it.  I asks me if I want to keep "dia-common", but that's not an orphan since it's a dependancy of dia-gnome, which is installed.
[02:05] <battlecat> I have a Debian Sarge DVD can I use the DEB packages from the DVD with Ubuntu?
[02:05] <jsubl2> suse is such a monster download
[02:05] <delire> enntee: these folk sell good machines without the windows tax if you ask: http://agearnotebooks.com/
[02:05] <cafuego_> dooglus: debfoster will list installed apckages (with their depends) and ask if you wantto keep them. Hit 'y' to keep, hit 'p' to purge the package AND the depends. Hit 'x' to process them when yiou get bored.
[02:05] <nalioth> Linner: you might try fedora-core-4 (if you're not using ubuntu)
[02:05] <mjr> battlecat, not recommended
[02:05] <enntee> delire: thanks for the tip, i'll check them out
[02:05] <battlecat> why is that?
[02:05] <dooglus> cafuego_: why is it asking my about 'dia-common'?
[02:05] <nalioth> hi battlecat
[02:05] <Linner> holy crap ya'll... i'm already half way finished downloading it - the dvd iso
[02:06] <Linner> this fios stuff works well!
[02:06] <battlecat> Hey
[02:06] <battlecat> N
[02:06] <nalioth> battlecat: b/c of version conflicts
[02:06] <delire> enntee: i researched for a couple of months. their Asus line is made by Asustek, which make the Apple PB's and iBooks. the little 12" looks similar to an ibook in the flesh.
[02:06] <nalioth> battlecat: if you have a woody cd, that'd be great
[02:06] <cafuego_> dooglus: It's installed, it'll ask about it. Just hit 'n' if you think you need to keep it.
[02:06] <Linner> nalioth: why did you ask?
[02:06] <Linner> boxerboy29: wb :)
[02:06] <dooglus> cafuego_: it only asks about 'orphans', right?
[02:06] <battlecat> No just the sarge DVD that came with the linux magazine
[02:06] <delire> that said the 17" PB's are nothing to be proud of. awful machines.
[02:06] <boxerboy29> linner:ty:)
[02:06] <cafuego_> dooglus: No, that's deborphan.
[02:06] <battlecat> 17" Peanut butters?
[02:07] <nalioth> battlecat: sarge is too new, you'd have version conflicts with ubuntu
[02:07] <delire> battlecat: yes
[02:07] <boxerboy29> mplayer still dont work :(
[02:07] <Linner> :)
[02:07] <cafuego_> enntee: Oh, and keep an eye on what gfx chip you'd get. Some work better then others.
[02:07] <Linner> STILL???
[02:07] <Linner> oh gosh!
[02:07] <boxerboy29> still
[02:07] <battlecat> OK Nale
[02:07] <cafuego_> enntee: Especially in 3d land
[02:07] <enntee> cafuego: yeah, gotta be nvidia for me :)
[02:07] <boxerboy29> i even downloaded lame
[02:07] <battlecat> I figured that Ubuntu would be newer
[02:07] <nalioth> Linner: whom are you addressing?
[02:07] <Linner> nalioth: what other multimedia player do you recommend besides mplayer?
[02:07] <enntee> Linner: totem!
[02:07] <boxerboy29> searched for midi players downloaded them still nothing
[02:07] <dooglus> cafuego_: debfoster doesn't ask me about anything that came pre-installed - because none of that stuff is orphaned.  it just asks if I want to keep 'ubuntu-base' and 'ubuntu-desktop' - if I say yes to those, it knows it has to keep the rest.
[02:07] <Linner> nalioth: you at first... you asked me if I was downloading a live cd or an image
[02:08] <nalioth> battlecat: yes it is, but there are some shared pkgs of the same vintage
[02:08] <Linner> boxerboy29: enntee recommends totem
[02:08] <P229> how do you install local debs? apt-get install package.deb doesn't work
[02:08] <Linner> have you tried others, boxerboy29?
[02:08] <bimberi> P229: sudo dpkg -i <debfile>
[02:08] <boxerboy29> does totem play midi files?
[02:08] <cafuego_> dooglus: Indeed. So you could remove those (they're just meta-packages) and then pick the rest out by re-running it.
[02:08] <delire> enntee: a lovely little machine. i saw it recently in the flesh: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asuss5nphoto.html
[02:08] <battlecat> ok what is the worst that can happen?
[02:08] <dooglus> cafuego_: from the debfoster man page: "if debfoster notices that a package that used to be a dependency is now an orphan, it will ask you what to do with it" - note, "orphan"
[02:08] <selinium> boxerboy29, nope, try timidity
[02:08] <delire> enntee: my girlfriend has a model down from it, i have the larger brother. great laptops.
[02:08] <nalioth> battlecat: you can be stuck with a non-upgradeable system
[02:08] <boxerboy29> i have it already
[02:09] <battlecat> ewww
[02:09] <boxerboy29> still doesnt play
[02:09] <lui> help, help, help!, I was upgrading to breezy. After the upgrade I restart the system and now the X doesn't find my display manager neither the nvidia drivers, what can I do please?
[02:09] <enntee> delire: it does look pretty slick
[02:09] <cafuego_> dooglus: Yes, it ALSO processes non-orphioned packages, though. Whereas 'deborphan' does not. (it only lists orphans)
[02:09] <boxerboy29> lui: when did you last do it?
[02:09] <dooglus> cafuego_: but shouldn't ask about them.
[02:09] <lui> right now
[02:09] <delire> enntee: given the iBook will be an intel machine within 18 months, there will be little difference between this and an iBook.
[02:09] <lui> boxerboy29, right now
[02:09] <P229> bimberi: thank you (coming over from fedora here)
[02:10] <boxerboy29> lui: in terminal or synaptic?
[02:10] <bimberi> P229: np :)
[02:10] <lui> boxerboy29, synaptic
[02:10] <kuroishinzoo> delire: do you understad swedish??
[02:10] <battlecat> what happens when you log in and type startx but do not have gnome KDE or any other WM installed?
[02:10] <boxerboy29> open terminal and try sudo apt-get install upgrade
[02:10] <lui> boxerboy29, now I'm running the live cd to talk here
[02:10] <enntee> delire: yeah... in all honesty, i'll probably just end up buying an ibook... i'm not much of a tinkerer these days
[02:10] <enntee> i just like stuff to work without much effort
[02:10] <delire> kuroishinzoo: no, though i lived there for a while.
[02:11] <dooglus> I think maybe I don't understand what "recommends" means in .deb files
[02:11] <delire> enntee: if you can actually stand OSX then sure ;)
[02:11] <delire> enntee: i can't :)
[02:11] <boxerboy29> lui: you might want to reconfig your xorg file
[02:11] <enntee> delire: i like osx, i'm a sucker for that bright friendly bubbly crap
[02:11] <Linner> boxerboy29: sound familiar???
[02:11] <Linner> looks like everyone is having this proble
[02:11] <Linner> problem
[02:11] <boxerboy29> linner all too
[02:11] <delire> enntee: i was glad to get rid of it. so bloody slow and awful.
[02:11] <Linner> :(
[02:12] <enntee> delire: definitely a bit slow =\
[02:12] <lui> boxerboy29, ok, I'll try
[02:12] <delire> enntee: hmm
[02:12] <IcE-bOy> hi
[02:12] <Linner> nalioth told me that i should wait a few days before installing it
[02:12] <IcE-bOy> anybody has problemas with breezy ?
[02:12] <Linner> hey IcE-bOy
[02:12] <Linner> yes
[02:12] <Linner> most everyone
[02:12] <enntee> delire: but, i definitely prefer it over windows.
[02:12] <IcE-bOy> my screen show down when ..... i stop write
[02:12] <IcE-bOy> or i stop move de mouse
[02:12] <enntee> delire: and at some point i'm sure i'll be able to install ubuntu on it
[02:12] <IcE-bOy> onlye one secon dalay for screen turn off
[02:12] <Linner> they're having serious problem with the updating mechanism
[02:12] <lui> boxerboy29, what should I put in replace of the nvidia drivers in xorg file?
[02:12] <misterdiff> well here we go. my mother's winblows machine just finally took a crap. obviously i need to install something on it now but i don't know what. i'd install ubuntu which is what i use and for me its easy, but i know how she is and she won't understand the synaptic installer at all for installing additional software
[02:13] <misterdiff> any sugestions?
[02:13] <boxerboy29> lui: thats a bad word for me
[02:13] <delire> enntee: sure..  a weird time to buy an ibook though.
[02:13] <kuroishinzoo> okey.. cause i have a little problem with eng..
[02:13] <Linner> boxerboy29: what, xorg? :)
[02:13] <kuroishinzoo> cant find the words i want all the time.. :(
[02:13] <boxerboy29> lui: ive seen too many people have problems with those drivers
[02:13] <delire> kuroishinzoo: hehe no problem.
[02:13] <kuroishinzoo> and my gramar sucks
[02:13] <lui> boxerboy29, maybe vesa could work?
[02:13] <boxerboy29> linner the nvidia drivers
[02:14] <Linner> boxerboy29: i know... i was kidding... trying to make you smile :)
[02:14] <boxerboy29> lol :)
[02:14] <kuroishinzoo> hall r det nn hr som frstr mig??
[02:14] <Linner> english please :)
[02:14] <delire> kuroishinzoo: i work in scandinavia currently but barely learnt to say more than tjena and hej hej ;)
[02:14] <boxerboy29> lui: go to www.linuxquestions.org and look for the fixes on those drivers
[02:14] <kuroishinzoo> :D
[02:15] <delire> Linner: he's asking if anyone speaks his language..
[02:15] <lui> boxerboy29, ok, thanks, bye :)
[02:15] <gpm> hi, so what's the best way to install w32codecs on breezy?
[02:15] <kuroishinzoo> thats fun..
[02:15] <boxerboy29> yw
[02:15] <booger> hey does anyone know anything about k3b burning app
[02:15] <enntee> cafuego: thanks for the ugidd tip... this will make my life infintely easier
[02:15] <moparfan90> hello i hae jre java thing   and its a .bin file how do i install that?
[02:15] <boxerboy29> gpm: same problem here but i heard lame is very good
[02:15] <Linner> booger: a little ... but i decided to uninstall it and get ....something else
[02:15] <gpm> boxerboy29: no, i need something to play a .rm (real media) file...
[02:15] <Linner> let me go look what i got... what are you trying to do with it bogg
[02:15] <IcemanV9> moparfan90: follow the instruction :) it's fairly easy
[02:16] <booger> like what?
[02:16] <boxerboy29> linner: something else?
[02:16] <Linner> booger... what are you trying to do with it
[02:16] <delire> kuroishinzoo: i see your post on the website. i think i might be able to help here.
[02:16] <kuroishinzoo> ive got to go now..
[02:16] <Linner> boxerboy29: yeah i have to go look at my other machine
[02:16] <Linner> something baker
[02:16] <boxerboy29> yeah i need something to play midi files
[02:16] <moparfan90> icemanv9, there are no istructions
[02:16] <kuroishinzoo> okey..
[02:16] <zoe> hey, I totally need help, I dragged the quick launch bar from the top of my screen, (I saw the little hand icon and got curious) to the left.  It is super-obnoxious huge now, and I cannot move it back (I cannot get the hand icon).  How do I reset these settings?
[02:16] <booger> burn a DVD, I've used the same app and worked fine
[02:16] <boxerboy29> baker i know that but its a burner
[02:16] <nalioth> gpm: here is a link for w32codecs http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[02:16] <delire> kuroishinzoo: which is the disk you want to allow users to read and write to?
[02:16] <IcemanV9> moparfan90: where did you get it from?
[02:16] <rubem> hi, anyone now if mysql server is instaled with ubunto 5.04?
[02:17] <Linner> so is k3b
[02:17] <kuroishinzoo> hdc1 and hdb1 that arnt mounted.. :(
[02:17] <gpm> nalioth: just dpkg -i the .deb?
[02:17] <boxerboy29> rubem:if not by default you can get it from synaptic
[02:17] <moparfan90> sunjava    there site
[02:17] <Linner> booger: it's gnomebaker
[02:17] <kuroishinzoo> how shall i do??
[02:17] <gpm> nalioth: and wait for official breezy-extras?
[02:17] <delire> kuroishinzoo: what file system types do they have?
[02:17] <boxerboy29> linner; k3b is my fav :)
[02:17] <Linner> boxerboy29: how come?
[02:17] <Linner> to me a burner is a burner
[02:17] <boxerboy29> it has never failed me
[02:17] <booger> I get this same OPC ?? error for both apps
[02:17] <dooglus> zoe: is this GNOME, KDE, or XP?
[02:17] <moparfan90> IcemanV9, do you know how to install a .bin file?
[02:17] <zoe> GNOME,
[02:17] <Linner> as long as it does what it's supposed to....
[02:17] <kuroishinzoo> hda ext3 hdb ext3 hdc vfat
[02:18] <boxerboy29> it checks the md5 sum for u
[02:18] <nalioth> gpm: the link i sent is w32codecs packaged for breezy
[02:18] <Linner> booger: what's an OPC?
[02:18] <booger> got me
[02:18] <dooglus> zoe: where's the little hand?  do you mean the foot?
[02:18] <Linner> boxerboy29: oh okay... do you know what an OPC is?
[02:18] <boxerboy29> linner: your kidding right?
[02:18] <moparfan90> does anyone know how i can insall jre.bin i dont know how to install a .bin file????
[02:18] <Linner> boxerboy29: no.
[02:18] <IcemanV9> moparfan90: follow the instruction -> http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[02:18] <zoe> the mouse pointer turned to a hand, when I moved it to the very top of the menu bar, this made me curious, so I tried dragging.
[02:18] <moparfan90> ok
[02:18] <Linner> boxerboy29:  you're far more versed in this stuff than I am
[02:18] <gpm> nalioth: ok. so i just use that until they make an official breezy-extras...right?
[02:19] <nalioth> moparfan90: hoary or breezy?
[02:19] <boxerboy29> linner im the person that cant get music to play with every damn player made for linux
[02:19] <delire> kuroishinzoo: ok..
[02:19] <dooglus> zoe: oh, it doesn't do that for me.  it stays like a white arrow.
[02:19] <booger> linner: I guess it's some error having to do with making an ISO image
[02:19] <Linner> boxerboy29: i know... and you're still more versed in this stuff than I am :)
[02:19] <zoe> the strip with my quick-launch icons is now on the left side of the screen, it is huge, and I can't move it back..
[02:19] <goose_boy> excuse me, when i install realplayer it asks me where real player has been downloaded to and it tries to run the installer
[02:19] <boxerboy29> opc?
[02:19] <goose_boy> where does it downlad the installer too?
[02:19] <moparfan90> nevermind i got it thanks
[02:19] <nalioth> gpm that will probably be in -extras
[02:19] <delire> kuroishinzoo: ok good, and what are the mount points names for those disks?
[02:19] <Linner> booger: i just made an iso last night with gnomebaker
[02:19] <Linner> booger: go through synaptic and get it
[02:19] <gpm> nalioth: ok. cool thanks
[02:20] <kuroishinzoo> You have 1 broken package on your system!
[02:20] <kuroishinzoo> Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[02:20] <rubem> my I by apt-get install apache+php, configured?
[02:20] <dooglus> zoe: was it like a fist?  or an open hand?
[02:20] <boxerboy29> linner: opc info here http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0112.0/0005.html
[02:20] <goose_boy> where does it download the realplayer installer too?
[02:20] <zoe> I don't remember exactly, and I can't repeat the experiment,
[02:20] <Linner> booger:  http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0112.0/0005.html go there
[02:20] <zoe> I do know that it changed from the normal arrow.
[02:21] <boxerboy29> goose_boy: how are you getting it?
[02:21] <Linner> boxerboy29: found information on your OPC question
[02:21] <kuroishinzoo> i dont know because i mounted them on the desktop with "disks"
[02:21] <booger> linner: i did I have k3b and gnomebaker both giving me the same OPC / iso making error
[02:21] <kuroishinzoo> i dont think that it worked
[02:21] <Linner> oops I mean booger boxerboy found your answer
[02:21] <delire> kuroishinzoo: use this as a ***guide***: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/370512
[02:21] <rubem> do anyone know the famous linux uml designer?
[02:21] <selinium> rubem, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:21] <boxerboy29> booger:http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0112.0/0005.html
[02:21] <dooglus> zoe: I see it now.  I can drag it back in the same way though.
[02:22] <boxerboy29> it has something to do with atpi
[02:22] <Linner> oh yuck
[02:22] <dooglus> zoe: the problem you might have is that there's no clear space in the bar to grab it by any more
[02:22] <boxerboy29> lmao
[02:22] <Linner> hehehehe
[02:22] <zoe> hmm.  I just deleted all the icons, then the panel.
[02:22] <rubem> I rememberer, Umbrelo!
[02:22] <zoe> how can I create a new one?
[02:22] <j-linux> all kinds of problems today -- just starting using Ubuntu again:  I accidentally deleted the gaim icon in the task bar and now I can't get it back.  I installed Kopete but that icon doesn't appear in the task bar either.
[02:22] <j-linux> Any ideas?
[02:22] <delire> kuroishinzoo: i have added lines for disks hdc1 and hdb1 as you described and made them read-writeable by <user>. they mount on the point /disk1 /disk2, change these to match what you have on your computer.
[02:22] <kuroishinzoo> wtf is trash-root
[02:23] <delire> kuroishinzoo: from what/where?
[02:23] <delire> j-linux: don't use gnome here. someone will be able to assist.
[02:23] <booger> linner: so is it some kind of error with the disc? DMA errors ?
[02:24] <dooglus> zoe: you still have the bottom panel, right?  close apps until you can see some clear space on it.
[02:24] <boxerboy29> j-linux: right click the bar go to add to panel and you will add a launcher add the laucher and in the command field type gaim
[02:24] <zoe> wait, figured it out, I can right click on the bottom panennns and create nenw,
[02:24] <dooglus> zoe: then right-click in some clear space and say 'new panel'
[02:24] <boxerboy29> that should work
[02:24] <Linner> booger: how many times have you tried to burn?
[02:24] <Linner> booger: and did you try to install any updates before doing it
[02:24] <zoe> we are on the same page, cool,
[02:24] <booger> about three billion
[02:24] <j-linux> boxerboy29: the launcher will bring back the "minimized" icon for gaim?
[02:24] <Linner> booger: that's a lot of discs
[02:25] <booger> it's a joke
[02:25] <Linner> booger: did you try doing the discs AFTER an update?
[02:25] <dooglus> zoe: you just helped me find another bug in breezy.  if you drag the top panel around it crashes stuff in breezy.
[02:25] <Linner> booger: no kidding :)
[02:25] <boxerboy29> j-linux you mean when you minimize something it goes away?
[02:25] <booger> yes i did
[02:25] <j-linux> Kopete's "minimized" icon doesn't show either.
[02:25] <booger> same thing
[02:25] <Linner> booger: ok... that might the problem
[02:25] <boxerboy29> j-linux gnome or kde?
[02:25] <booger> like how ?? i'm lost
[02:25] <Linner> all of us are having serious problems with our versions due to the upgrade mechanism.... nalioth can tell you more
[02:26] <Linner> nalioth: can you tell booger about the upgrade problems they've been having?
[02:26] <zoe> alright, I guess that this has been a good, constructive experience.  glad I could help :)
[02:26] <j-linux> boxerboy29:  Gaim works fine.  But when I "close" it with the x --- it doesn't minimize to tray anymore.  It closes.  Kopete keeps running, but there is no icon.
[02:26] <j-linux> I'm using Gnome, but have KDE on here also.
[02:26] <boxerboy29> lol@linner passing it off on nalioth
[02:26] <Linner> nalioth: you know far more about it then I do
[02:26] <kuroishinzoo> /home/kuroishinzoo/desktop/hdc/trash-root/hdb &hdc
[02:26] <Linner> boxerboy29: hey man, i can only do what i can do
[02:26] <Linner> :)
[02:26] <boxerboy29> lol
[02:26] <Linner> o dpm
[02:26] <Linner> oops
[02:26] <Linner> i don't know the exact problem with the updates
[02:26] <Linner> boxerboy29: do you know?
[02:27] <nalioth> who's nalioth?
[02:27] <goose_boy> hey isnt helix player the gnu version of real player?
[02:27] <boxerboy29> j-linux: if you open it back up does the lil yellow guy go back?
[02:27] <Linner> funny
[02:27] <delire> kuroishinzoo: that looks like some desktop symlink for the root 'trashcan'. nothing to worry about i would say.
[02:27] <Linner> nalioth: seriously... what exactly are the upgrade problems they're having?
[02:27] <delire> goose_boy: it's trying to be.
[02:27] <j-linux> boxerboy29:  open what?  A new gaim?
[02:27] <boxerboy29> linner: the problem with updates is kinda simple (breezy is beta) lmao :)
[02:28] <boxerboy29> yes
[02:28] <Linner>  ha ha
[02:28] <delire> goose_boy: and it kind of works.
[02:28] <Linner> I knew that part doofus :)
[02:28] <booger> linner: do I need update to breezy?
[02:28] <Linner> NO!
[02:28] <delire> booger: nO!
[02:28] <Linner> booger: not yet... wait a little while
[02:28] <boxerboy29> lmao
[02:28] <delire> Like Moths to the Flame
[02:28] <Linner> really... like a couple of days... that's what naliothtold me to do
[02:28] <boxerboy29> booger: dont upgrade for another week or so
[02:28] <kuroishinzoo> delire: got to quit.. see you.. bye
[02:28] <nalioth> Linner: new hardware is the achilles heel of linux
[02:28] <Linner> exactly
[02:28] <booger> OK
[02:29] <j-linux> boxerboy29: I can run gaim, but normally, when you "close" the window it minimizes to system tray.  In my case, after accidentally removing that little icon in the system tray it doesn't minimize anymore.   Is there a way to bring that feature back?
[02:29] <Linner> nalioth: yes, I'm seeing that first hand
[02:29] <Linner> slowly... very slowly.. .but for sure
[02:29] <nalioth> j-linux: look in the prefs
[02:29] <delire> _unsupported_ new hardware..
[02:29] <goose_boy> hey how do i get a delete option in gnome
[02:29] <boxerboy29> damn i got hung up on for laughing so hard at linner saying no:(
[02:30] <otep> hi
[02:30] <Linner> boxerboy29: are you making fun me dude? :)
[02:30] <delire> hi otep
[02:30] <Linner> otep: hello :)
[02:30] <j-linux> nalioth: I already did, and I made sure that it "minimizes to tray" -- it still doesn't though.
[02:30] <boxerboy29> linner sorry she said hold on
[02:30] <zoe> hey, while I'm here, can anyone give advice on making cxoffice produce sound?  I can get iTunes running, but get no music playback.  Alternatively, any suggestion for native linux jukeboxes would be helpful.  The 'music player' offered with gnome is a good start, but it has been super buggy.
[02:30] <j-linux> nalioth: same with Kopete
[02:30] <chase> ^this is a bit off topic^ could someone go to http://www.iduniken.com/ and let me know if you see a web page or an access error? I need someone with a diffrent IP than mine
[02:30] <Linner> boxerboy29: heheheh :)
[02:31] <boxerboy29> chatzilla users cant come in here huh?
[02:31] <j-linux> chase: it's a regular page
[02:31] <booger> what is going on with breezy?
[02:31] <delire> zoe: perhaps look at amarok, xmms, beep-media-player
[02:31] <chase> j-linux, shame, thanks thought!
[02:31] <Linner> chase: i see a plain old web page
[02:31] <moparfan90> seveas, hello can you help me? i need to install the java package limewire needs and i cant get it to work
[02:31] <funkyHat> boxerboy29, why not?
[02:31] <IcemanV9> chase: i can see the blog
[02:31] <boxerboy29> booger: breezy is still in the testing stages
[02:31] <chase> thanks guys IcemanV9 Linner
[02:31] <boxerboy29> funkyhat: registered users only i thought
[02:31] <Linner> chase looks like a wordpress home page or something
[02:31] <booger> I thought it was annonced
[02:32] <funkyHat> boxerboy29, what's wrong with being a registered user and using chatzilla?
[02:32] <Linner> booger: not yet... it will be final next month
[02:32] <delire> zoe: KDE tends to have the best desktop integrated 'jukeboxes'.
[02:32] <goose_boy> hmmm something weird just happened
[02:32] <boxerboy29> shes not a registered user
[02:32] <zoe> ok,  what I really want is the simple sorting and searching by artist and album.  I haven't seen that in xmms,
[02:32] <Linner> oh
[02:32] <goose_boy> X just restart out of the blue
[02:32] <Linner> i think i am
[02:32] <Linner> ?
[02:32] <booger> OK
[02:32] <moparfan90> how do i change the res on the my monior?
[02:32] <zoe> can I simply install KDE while GNOME is installed?
[02:32] <delire> zoe: i would look at http://amarok.kde.org/
[02:32] <Linner> they're pretty much getting everyone psyched up with the preview that's out and downloadable now
[02:32] <moparfan90> zoe, yes
[02:33] <booger> so is there cheap and easy fix for my burning problem?
[02:33] <Linner> booger: go to ubuntulinux.org and sign up for the free CD if you'd like an official copy
[02:33] <goose_boy> why would X just restart?
[02:33] <moparfan90> zoe, why do you want kde ??
[02:33] <Linner> booger: I can't answer that.  I'm very VERY new to LInux.
[02:33] <nalioth> moparfan90: breezy or hoary?
[02:33] <delire> otep: what is the graphic card?
[02:33] <boxerboy29> linner i ordered 20 of them
[02:33] <moparfan90> hoary
[02:33] <Linner> boxerboy29: yeah I asked for 10
[02:33] <boxerboy29> they changed it
[02:33] <booger> OK i'm out
[02:33] <goose_boy> does anyone know what would cause X to restart?
[02:33] <Linner> changed what?
[02:33] <Linner> good luck booger
[02:33] <goose_boy> it just does that at random times
[02:33] <Linner> oh
[02:33] <Linner> or not
[02:33] <boxerboy29> the order crap
[02:34] <Linner> really....?
[02:34] <boxerboy29> you used to type in a number you wanted
[02:34] <zoe> moparfan90, so I can try amarok,
[02:34] <moparfan90> goose_boy, yes clicking ctrl + alt +backspace
[02:34] <nalioth> moparfan90: try here http://www.giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/
[02:34] <delire> goose_boy: strange. sure it's not an ctrl-alt-backspace?
[02:34] <Linner> yeah that's what i did
[02:34] <boxerboy29> now they have set packages
[02:34] <ghostdog> is there a get right version for ubunto
[02:34] <Linner> oh okay
[02:34] <goose_boy> delire, yes
[02:34] <ghostdog> is there a get right version for ubunto?
[02:34] <delire> zoe: 'sudo apt-get install amarok' should do it.
[02:34] <moparfan90> zoe, i think it possilble to get that on gnome
[02:34] <nalioth> ghostdog: there are several download manglers for ubuntu
[02:34] <boxerboy29> they say if you custom order you have a chance of being turned down
[02:34] <zoe> oh,
[02:34] <delire> goose_boy: strange.. look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:35] <zoe> whatever, I already started KDE with synaptic.
[02:35] <ghostdog> what are they ?
[02:35] <delire> zoe: just a GUI way of doing the same thing ;)
[02:35] <ghostdog> nalioth: what are they ?
[02:35] <delire> zoe: eg.. synAPTic
[02:35] <boxerboy29> download helpers
[02:35] <boxerboy29> grafical interfaces that help you install programs
[02:35] <nalioth> ghostdog: search synaptic for "download manager" or some such
[02:36] <nalioth> boxerboy29: you want sourceinstall
[02:36] <j-linux> another question:  I have been having trouble getting apache to start.  I went to my /etc/inet.d/ directory and typed apache2 but got this: (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[02:36] <edwin> i have installed a cdrw drive after instaling ubuntu... and it was not automatic installed. what i have to do to install it?
[02:36] <moparfan90> how do i install that .deb file
[02:36] <j-linux> I'm trying to start apache and MySQL
[02:36] <moparfan90> ?
[02:36] <boxerboy29> nalioth: sourceinstall for what?
[02:36] <bimberi> j-linux: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[02:36] <delire> j-linux: so a sudo '/etc/init.d/apache restart' gives this also?
[02:36] <boxerboy29> the midi issue?
[02:36] <delire> sorry.. apache2
[02:36] <nalioth>  boxerboy29> grafical interfaces that help you install programs  <<<<sourceinstall
[02:36] <zoe> right... what I mean is I already started installing KDE and it appears that I didn't need to.  I'm getting the impression that you guys prefer GNOME?  I've never tried KDE.  what's the difference.
[02:37] <otep> delire: nvidia fx 5200
[02:37] <boxerboy29> oh i thought that guy asked what is a download mangler
[02:37] <delire> zoe: you'll get alot of that sucks and this doesn't asking that question. ;)
[02:37] <j-linux> bimberi: that just gives me a list of usage options.
[02:37] <boxerboy29> my issue is midi files
[02:37] <ghostdog> nalioth: it just gave bittorent
[02:37] <j-linux> delire: same with that one.  I don't know why...
[02:37] <moparfan90> nalioth, how do i install that file? it a .deb??
[02:38] <nalioth> ghostdog: is there a torrent for what you need?
[02:38] <delire> zoe: they are simply two different and largely competing projects to provide a complete and coherent UNIX desktop experience.
[02:38] <nalioth> moparfan90: once you get the file, "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb"
[02:38] <zoe> delire, right on.  I guess I won't ask then.  give it a try and form my own opinion...
[02:38] <moparfan90> ok
[02:39] <bimberi> j-linux: Strange. Paste the command, plus its output to a pastebin for us
[02:39] <edwin> alguem ai fala portugues?
[02:39] <bimberi> !pastebin
[02:39] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:39] <ghostdog> nalioth: no its just a huge file and our internet connection gets cut-off sometimes , so i end up downloading it again
[02:39] <boxerboy29> nalioth: you mean to install a .deb you use dpkg?
[02:39] <j-linux> bimberi: I figured it out.  I was starting in the /etc/init.d/ directory.  It only works if I type the whole path.  :S
[02:39] <nalioth> boxerboy29: if you have the deb locally, yes
[02:39] <boxerboy29> where the hell was my brain at today
[02:39] <zoe> edwin, hablo espaol, a lo mejor me entiendes.
[02:39] <delire> zoe: they both have very different approached. KDE on configurability (excellent administration tools and libqt based), Gnome simple, more mac/ NextStep derived (and with a libgtk front end)
[02:39] <nalioth> !es
[02:39] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:40] <goose_boy> looks like im not the only one with this problem
[02:40] <goose_boy> on ubuntu forums others havin the same issues
[02:40] <goose_boy> but no answers
[02:40] <zoe> !libgtk
[02:40] <edwin> quero instalar um drive de cdrw
[02:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, zoe
[02:40] <net_benjo> hi guys, I need help with my wireless. I'm using ipw2200 + WPA...can anybody help me?
[02:40] <delire> otep: right that card can be tweaked yes. i think nvidia even ships software to assist.
[02:41] <enntee> cafuego: i'm getting "unsupported mapping; kernel supports only 'identity' (default)" when i try to use NFS with map_daemon.. do i need to install anything else besides ugidd?
[02:41] <zoe> edwin, y no funciona?
[02:41] <enntee> cafuego_: forgot the _
[02:41] <P8ntKid> Is there a comand that can tell my all the IP's i am connected too?
[02:42] <edwin> zoe, ele tem energia... abre e fecha, mas no foi reconhecido
[02:42] <enntee> P8ntKid: netstat
[02:42] <Agrajag> netstat
[02:42] <P8ntKid> enntee: Thanks
[02:42] <tensor> how do i enable ymessenger to play wav files on alerts/events?
[02:43] <juankes> somebody knows what happen with the ubuntuguide.org site?
[02:43] <delire> zoe: GTK == 'Gimp Tool Kit' http://www.gtk.org/. QT http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/index.html
[02:43] <goose_boy> how can i find out what my bios is?
[02:43] <goose_boy> and where i can get updates?
[02:43] <ouroboros> You all rock.
[02:43] <edwin> zoe: tem algum programa pra fazes auto reconhecimento?
[02:43] <boxerboy29> nalioth: sudo dpkg when i do that do i put everything in the name of file in there to install it?:
[02:44] <Linner> boxerboy29: he's not on
[02:44] <delire> P8ntKid: try 'sudo netstat -tupa' for rich but friendly output.
[02:44] <Linner> boxerboy29: he's having cable problems
[02:44] <IcemanV9> tensor: did you know that gaim does have Y! acct??
[02:44] <ouroboros> AMD64 + Ubuntu Hoary 64 - problems galore, 1st step is amarok, no sound, tried esd
[02:44] <boxerboy29> oh i hate it for him
[02:44] <delire> ouroboros: cheers..
[02:44] <boxerboy29> i hate cable
[02:44] <Linner> boxerboy29: yeah he's in houston
[02:44] <zoe> edwin, no hace falta un programa,
[02:44] <boxerboy29> oh no
[02:44] <Linner> i love cable...
[02:44] <matiu> My apt-get stopped working because it's trying to install x11-common which is trying to change the config files of xorg. How can I make it work again?
[02:44] <otep> delire: thanks man =)
[02:44] <tensor> IcemanV9, yep i do. i just prefer ym's familari interface :D
[02:44] <boxerboy29> thats wrong place to be
[02:44] <Linner> yeah so it's not because of the company its because of the storm
[02:45] <Linner> yeah i know
[02:45] <edwin> zoe: e como fao isso manualmente?
[02:45] <zoe> edwin, ests seguro que tienes los jumpers bien puestos?
[02:45] <Linner> i'm worried for him... but he refuses to leave
[02:45] <ouroboros> 2nd problem: tightvnc install
[02:45] <IcemanV9> tensor: ok. it's just that gaim have sound for events/alarms
[02:45] <edwin> sim... funciona no windows
[02:45] <zoe> edwin, no se puede leer ni montar un disco?
[02:45] <ouroboros> 3rd problem: ATI All-in-Wonder 128 (Rage128)
[02:45] <boxerboy29> im gonna try this install :( again
[02:45] <delire> otep: the proprietary nvidia installer also provides a way to configure all sorts of fancy stuff for this card.
[02:45] <tensor> IcemanV9, yeah, i'm starting to have 2nd thoughts :/
[02:45] <Linner> ok...
[02:45] <Linner> i'm crossing everything I can cross for you
[02:45] <boxerboy29> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[02:45] <boxerboy29> wtf is that?
[02:46] <edwin> zoe, ele naum reconhece o hdc q seria onde esta instalado
[02:46] <IcemanV9> tensor: sorry. you might get something if you can tinker with it to get sound working.
[02:46] <delire> boxerboy29: you can't install two things in two different synaptic/apt processes at the same time.
[02:46] <ouroboros> 4th problem: libstdc++-lib6.2 stuff
[02:46] <Linner> wb nalioth
[02:46] <chx> hi. in beep-media-player the playlist's right and bottom window border is missing
[02:46] <boxerboy29> delire im not that i know of
[02:46] <ouroboros> 5th problem: cedega
[02:46] <chx> mighty strange
[02:46] <iccafe01> hi
[02:46] <delire> boxerboy29: ps ax | grep apt
[02:47] <DVSoftware> anyone playing guild wars here?
[02:47] <ouroboros> I'm bout to dump this thing and sell my AMD64
[02:47] <Zodiac> For?
[02:47] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: why?
[02:47] <bimberi> j-linux: great! (sry - got called away)
[02:47] <zoe> edwin, aparece en el BIOS el cdrw?
[02:48] <edwin> sim
[02:48] <ouroboros> because out of like 30 communities, I've gotten help from 1 person
[02:48] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: what problems with cedega you have?
[02:48] <ouroboros> I don't even want to start with Cedega
[02:48] <DVSoftware> i have amd64
[02:48] <ouroboros> those jerks didn't help me one bit
[02:48] <DVSoftware> and it's worth some pain
[02:48] <ouroboros> the hell am I paying for
[02:48] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: breezy?
[02:48] <Zodiac> Crapola?
[02:48] <ouroboros> hoary
[02:48] <thinman> after remove rmmod "module_name".  Will it come back after rebooted ?
[02:48] <kritty> Hey all.  We tried updating our laptop last night and it died ( we are using breezy.  was there an issue?
[02:48] <boxerboy29> grrrrrrrrr
[02:48] <DVSoftware> let's see hoary 64bit right?
[02:48] <ouroboros> right..
[02:49] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: what is the error message
[02:49] <DVSoftware> that you get?
[02:49] <ouroboros> oh god
[02:49] <ouroboros> where to begin?
[02:49] <nalioth> zoe: edwin in #ubuntu-es, por favor
[02:49] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: from the beginning ;)
[02:49] <edwin> ok
[02:49] <ouroboros> here's the main trouble, cedega for 64 i've given up on, I chroot 32 cedega...and slightly modified the config to ensure both dvd-rom and cdrw drives get added to chroot...
[02:50] <boxerboy29> this really shouldnt be this hard
[02:50] <matiu> So when I go "apt-get -f install" I get "x11-common trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xorg-common"
[02:50] <ouroboros> neither seem to have media in them in chroot mode
[02:50] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: why do you chroot, when cedega works fine without chroot?
[02:50] <zoe> edwin, dicen que vayas a #ubunntu-es,
[02:50] <ouroboros> so cedega says "there's nothing there"
[02:50] <boxerboy29> xorg :(
[02:50] <DVSoftware> ouroboros:
[02:50] <DVSoftware> mount it
[02:50] <DVSoftware> in chroot
[02:50] <ouroboros> it doesn't work in 64
[02:50] <edwin> zoe you can speak english i understand
[02:50] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: yes it does
[02:50] <ouroboros> in fact I get a string of 4 pages worth of errors
[02:50] <matiu> How can I get around this?
[02:50] <matiu> How can I make apt-get work again?
[02:51] <edwin> i'm not very good but we can talk
[02:51] <pc22> what folder can i put prgram files?
[02:51] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: i have cedega installed in 64bit environment
[02:51] <ouroboros> cedega seemed to be happier in chroot, but my problem with it at that level is probably the chroot cdrom entries
[02:51] <zoe> edwin, alright, the drive should be recognized automatically,
[02:51] <DVSoftware> and it works fine
[02:51] <goose_boy> do you think i might need to upgrade my bios?
[02:51] <ouroboros> how? how did you get it installed?
[02:51] <DVSoftware> force-architecture
[02:51] <boxerboy29> dpkg take place of apt-get?
[02:51] <edwin> zoe, it was not... thats the problem
[02:51] <ouroboros> I followed several guides
[02:51] <IcemanV9> matiu: did you use 'sudo'?
[02:52] <zoe> edwin, how is it jumpered? are you sure that it was installed correctly?
[02:52] <edwin> when i was using madrake it was a detector in the begin
[02:52] <commrules> Need help, installed ubuntu 5.04 on my acer laptop, when ubuntu loads I get a blackscreen (but I can hear the intro sound).. someone told me to edit: sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf and where it shows display change it to VESA .. problem is I cant see anything to even edit, any suggestions?
[02:52] <mindframe> could someone please help me with my wireless card?  since i installed breezy it's unable to find my router.  the card is detected fine.  one thing i have noticed is that iwconfig shows two interfaces for the same device which is my wireless card.
[02:52] <edwin> but it didnt happen in ubuntu...
[02:52] <nalioth> boxerboy29: apt-get calls dpkg to do it's installing
[02:52] <boxerboy29> another one with the xorg :(
[02:53] <edwin> it is in master position
[02:53] <bimberi> commrules: Try <ctrl><alt>F2 and hopefully you'll get a login prompt
[02:53] <boxerboy29> i tried dpkg -i package name
[02:53] <edwin> and is alone in the cable
[02:53] <IcemanV9> commrules: ctrl+atl+f1 to get into console
[02:53] <DVSoftware> nalioth: i have fixed cedega in breezy
[02:53] <ouroboros> DVSoftware: I believe I did that force-architecture eventually
[02:53] <boxerboy29> cannot access archive: no such file
[02:53] <nalioth> DVSoftware: cool
[02:53] <DVSoftware> the problem is in nvidia drivers or xorg, im not sure
[02:53] <boxerboy29> it sitting on my damn desktop
[02:54] <nalioth> boxerboy29: you need to have the deb in your current directory
[02:54] <zoe> and 'mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0' doesn't work?
[02:54] <DVSoftware> but i have copied few files from chroot in lib32
[02:54] <boxerboy29> how do i do that?
[02:54] <zoe> edwin, and 'mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0' doesn't work?
[02:54] <Linner> ok ya'll... i have to scoot for a little while... meeting some friends for dinner... ;)
[02:54] <boxerboy29> just put that file in usr file?
[02:54] <boxerboy29> night linner
[02:54] <kritty> comrules .... is it SIS based?
[02:54] <Linner> talk with ya'll later :)
[02:54] <commrules> ctrl-alt-f2 from grub or once I load Ubuntu
[02:55] <jack-> boxerboy29: cd ~/Desktop
[02:55] <bimberi> commrules: once you load
[02:55] <IcemanV9> commrules: after you booted
[02:55] <DVSoftware> ouroboros: do you have access to tgz cedega package?
[02:55] <edwin> zoe: media not found
[02:55] <server> hello
[02:55] <Linner> hi server
[02:55] <boxerboy29> that dont work either
[02:55] <server> hello people
[02:56] <Zodiac> hallo