[12:43] <brainwash> elfy: got urls working in hexchat with firefox. I had to run "gvfs-mime --set x-scheme-handler/http firefox.desktop"
[12:44] <brainwash> which will update the .config/mimeapps.list
[13:29] <elfy> brainwash: thanks :)
[15:51] <brainwash> bluesabre_: there is a patch attached to bug 1260341
[15:52] <brainwash> any thoughts on this matter?
[16:34] <bluesabre_> brainwash: I can't reproduce the issue, are you able to reproduce?
[16:35] <bluesabre_> if you can reproduce and the patch resolves, it would be fine by me to merge
[17:43] <ali1234> brainwash: the ubuntu wallpaper loads properly in the installer now
[17:43] <ochosi> ali1234: you mean the xubuntu wallpaper?
[17:44] <ali1234> yes, that
[17:44] <ochosi> or did ubuntu also have problems with displaying their wall
[17:44] <ochosi> ah ok
[17:44] <ochosi> cool
[17:44] <ali1234> it's black for like 1 second, then the wallpaper loads
[17:44] <ali1234> it happens after the installer loads up though
[17:44] <ali1234> but it's definitely an improvement
[17:44] <ali1234> also the installer now actually works again
[17:45] <ochosi> yeah, i guess that 1sec is the lag of xfdesktop loading
[17:45] <ochosi> a lower-spec solution would've been preferrable, but then again, what counts is that it's fixed
[17:45] <ochosi> bluesabre_: what's your take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1396804 ?
[17:46] <ochosi> oh also, good news everyone, gmusicbrowser now supports gst1.0
[17:46] <ochosi> so i guess now mostly pidgin is blocking us there
[17:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: my take is that its dumb for thunar to have its settings in the settings manager
[17:47] <bluesabre> :)
[17:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, then let's just make it NoDisplay=true
[17:47] <ochosi> there's already a branch linked, in case you wanna merge it in
[17:47] <ochosi> i gotta head out again
[17:47] <bluesabre> alrighty
[17:47] <ochosi> or we take care of it tomorrow
[17:47] <bluesabre> I'll probably knock it out tody
[17:47] <bluesabre> and today
[17:48] <ochosi> cool, thanks
[17:48] <ali1234> Noskcaj: this sounds like your thunar crash bug: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#label/Ubuntu/14b3fb89c8dfb8b9
[17:48] <ali1234> and it has a way to reproduce
[17:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: we can check out more low-hanging fruit bugs soonish if you wanna
[17:48] <ali1234> wait that's a link to my gmail :)
[17:48] <ali1234> bug 1416645
[17:49] <bluesabre> lol
[17:49] <Unit193> Wow really?  Shocking.
[17:49] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure thing
[17:49] <Unit193> Also, yeah.  "Fixed".  Looked more into it, didn't see what broke.
[17:49] <knome> what is...
[17:49] <knome> (hullo)
[17:49] <ali1234> speaking of low hanging fruit
[17:50] <elfy> brainwash: belay that thanks ... not working here :p
[17:50] <ali1234> bug 1270090 has a patch, sponsors offered to SRU it if someone ports it to vivid
[17:51] <ali1234> i don't know how to do that without installing vivid on my dev system
[18:03] <bluesabre> bbabl
[18:25] <brainwash> ali1234: that's great news :)
[18:27] <brainwash> bluesabre: I never tested the patch, looks like no one did
[18:30] <brainwash> elfy: /url <url>   also not working?
[18:31] <elfy> no idea
[18:31] <elfy> uninstalled it again
[18:31] <brainwash> ok
[18:32] <elfy> and frankly - it's only hexchat that it fails from anyway
[18:32] <brainwash> it's not only hexchat
[18:33] <brainwash> hexchat calls a gtk function for url handling, so more apps should be affected
[18:33] <elfy> maybe so - but I don't use them :)
[18:35] <brainwash> maybe you do.. and you just don't click the buttons or select specific menu entries to trigger the bug
[18:36] <brainwash> :P
[18:36] <elfy> maybe - but at that point it doesn't matter to me ;)
[18:36] <brainwash> yea, I'll wait until someone reports this as bug
[18:37] <elfy> I will once ff36 is released :)
[18:40] <elfy> I'd do it now - but it'll just get invalid'd :)
[18:41] <brainwash> by alberto?
[18:41] <brainwash> I doubt that anyone would do that
[18:42] <elfy> ccoulson
[18:42] <elfy> of course they will - they'd say "Why you using -proposed?"
[18:42] <knome> why you little
[18:42] <elfy> then ignore me when I say because it's the only up to date version available to me
[18:43] <Unit193> !info firefox vivid
[18:43] <elfy> because no-one seems to care about people running the dev version for them
[18:43] <elfy> Unit193: version behind the released releases
[18:43] <Unit193> So can this bug be hit with utopic?
[18:43] <Unit193> elfy: Yeah...
[18:44] <elfy> Unit193: this bug is in ff36, not 35 which utopic has
[18:44] <Unit193> I see.
[18:44] <elfy> I know that because it was working in 35 :)
[18:45] <Unit193> This is great...  You jump up to a slightly less stable version so you can get recent applications, and ff is outdated...
[18:45] <elfy> I lol at alberto marking bug 1173767 triaged
[18:45] <elfy> he's not seen ochosi and me in the xfce one - where I say meh and he says I'll mark it won't fix :p
[18:46] <knome> in all civility, i'd like to have a little talk with alberto.
[18:46] <Unit193> ...Wasn't that one gone over about 7 times last cycle, or the one before? :P
[18:47] <elfy> I rarely see anything now unless I look in Tbird's junk folder
[18:47] <elfy> knome: ^^
[18:47] <knome> elfy, yeah.
[18:47] <Unit193> Take glasses off.
[18:49] <brainwash> so, please the lp report then :)
[18:49] <Unit193> So since xubuntu-artwork is nearing the stage of metapackage, should it have stronger (depend upon) the plymouth themes, wallpaper, and icon theme?
[18:49] <elfy> brainwash: what?
[18:49] <knome> Unit193, why not
[18:49] <brainwash> elfy: will you close your launchpad report?
[18:50] <elfy> can't
[18:50] <elfy> or I'd mark it won't fix :)
[18:50] <Unit193> knome: I don't see a reason not to really.
[18:51] <knome> yep
[18:52] <knome> elfy, bug 1173767, wontfix in ubuntu?
[18:52] <Unit193> I'd think perhaps poke an artwork person or dev about it.
[18:52] <elfy> knome: I guess - it's won't fix in xfce now
[18:52] <knome> says medium in LP... :P
[18:53] <knome> no, confirmed
[18:53] <knome> i'll set the status of the ubuntu pkg to wontfix
[18:53] <elfy> I know - takes a while to catch up I guess
[18:54] <knome> done with a comment
[19:00] <brainwash> bluesabre: did you check the output of "synclient -l | grep -i cornerbutton" with tap-to-click enabled/disabled?
[20:30] <Unit193> Debian #776798
[20:33] <knome> why is somebody searching for something that doesn't exist?
[20:34]  * knome hides
[20:35] <elfy> hide as much as you like
[20:35] <elfy> catfish won't find you either ...
[20:42] <knome> heh
[21:16] <brainwash> elfy: my workaround to assign firefox to open links works only temporary
[21:17] <brainwash> if you click on a help button (like the one in the settings manager), it will launch an empty firefox window


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[19:08] <yolox> hello channel. need help. I installed version 17.10 but sometimes aout of the sudden i just get logged out and i have to login again. How to stop it? thank you
[19:10] <fossfreedom> yolox, there is a fix that resolves this.  Just waiting for upstream to accept the fix and then we'll ask ubuntu also to review the patch.
[19:11] <yolox> Perfect fossfreedom. Thank you. I'll wait
[19:12] <yolox> Ubuntu-budgie is great!
[19:13] <fossfreedom> thanks - always welcome to get feedback
[19:15] <yolox> It is a pleasure. Great day fossfreedom & channel


[00:00] <mhall119> directionalpad: so pick something interesting and work on that
[00:01] <greiser> i'm back...
[00:01] <greiser> did I miss anything? or just a bunch of join/quit messages....
[00:01] <mhall119> I have joins/quits on ignore
[00:02] <mhall119> but doesn't look like anyone way talking
[00:03] <greiser> aww
[00:04] <greiser> we pulled the dirtiest prank on our sysadmin today...
[00:07] <greiser> me an a couple of guys wrote a tcp server and replaced ssh with it on one of you new servers in the nearby datacenter....  We mentioned we were having trouble connecting to it so our sysadmin logs in via ssh to the server (only he's logged into our program) and it starts spitting out a bunch of attack crap and folder deletions and other ssh tunnels to the other servers and repeats the process..... all simulated of course...
[00:07] <greiser> but it was funny seeing the look on his face and the frustration he had
[00:07] <greiser> we recorded it and plan on posting it on youtube...
[00:08] <greiser> he was so shocked that the servers were "compromized" that he seriously went to the director of IT for help (only he was in on it)...
[00:08] <greiser> and the director said to fix it or find another job....
[00:09] <greiser> then we sent the kill signal and the program shutdown and started ssh again...
[00:09] <greiser> ahhahaha
[00:09] <greiser> it was classic....
[00:16] <mhall119> greiser: that's horrible
[00:16] <mhall119> and yet, awesome
[00:16] <greiser> yeah... it was pretty bad....
[00:16] <mhall119> I hope I never work with you
[00:16] <greiser> we play pranks all the time
[00:17] <greiser> only this one was the most elaborate
[00:17] <greiser> usually it's just changing the desktop background to Justin Bieber and rearranging the icons in the shape of a penis
[00:19] <mhall119> my favorite is taking a screenshot of the desktop, setting that as the wallpaper, then hiding the taskbar and icons
[00:19] <greiser> hahh
[00:19] <greiser> yeah
[00:20] <greiser> or if they are on windows.... setting the registry key value to prevent them from changing their desktop background
[00:20] <greiser> and setting it to David Hasselhoff
[00:20] <greiser> in a speedo
[00:20] <mhall119> ew
[00:21] <mhall119> if they're on Linux, xmodmap allows for all kinds of fun too
[00:22] <greiser> most of em are on mac's
[00:22] <greiser> php devs and all on mac mini's
[00:23] <greiser> i'm on a windows machine doing .net work....
[00:23] <mhall119> ew ew ew
[00:24] <greiser> i like .net (rephrase... c#) but I prefer linux
[00:24] <mhall119> mono ftw!
[00:24] <greiser> although... I usually dual boot or triple boot my machines...
[00:25] <greiser> exactly
[00:25] <mhall119> may be the only time I utter that phrase
[00:25] <greiser> i build mono 2.8.2 from source the other day so I can run my mud on my linux server
[02:56] <directionalpad> mhall119: Meh. Ive hit my creative wall.
[03:06] <mhall119> hit it harder until you break through
[03:07]  * MichelleQ hands directionalpad a hammer
[03:07] <mhall119> good lord, this database class just spent several ppt slides explaining (in mathematical terms) what a database join does
[03:20] <maxolasersquad_f> mhall119: What good would that slide have been if it didn't spend that much time on the presenters knowledge of database joins?
[03:21] <greiser> mhall119: why you taking a database class?
[03:43] <maxolasersquad_f> So I was going to write my own mini-MVC framework, but am now taking the easy way and using Zend.
[03:43] <maxolasersquad_f> I wish I knew more about writing a decent framework for small projects.
[03:47] <mhall119> greiser: finishing up my bachelor's degree
[03:48] <mhall119> maxolasersquad_f: PHP?
[03:48] <greiser> for PHP you should learn magic functions....
[03:48] <maxolasersquad_f> mhall119: Yes.  For write now.  Might move to python.
[03:48] <greiser> i'm currently learning python...
[03:48] <maxolasersquad_f> I've used them a wee bit in an abstraction layout I wrote a while ago.
[03:49] <maxolasersquad_f> Really my problem is that I've never written a project in PHP where all of the MVC layers are in PHP.
[03:49] <greiser> using magic getters and setters and magic class names you can easily develop a simple reflection pattern
[03:49] <greiser> for which you can implement a nice mvc layout...
[03:49] <maxolasersquad_f> And I'm having to unlearn some bad habits that I've been taught.
[03:49] <greiser> or you can look at how others have done it
[03:50] <greiser> like CodeIgniter
[03:50] <mhall119> maxolasersquad_f: I've done a couple light frameworks in PHP
[03:50] <mhall119> I just used function naming conventions
[03:51] <mhall119> op_get_foo and op_post_foo are mapped to the url index.php?op=foo
[03:51] <mhall119> but anymore I'd just use Django
[03:52] <maxolasersquad_f> At work we have a pretty suite abstraction layer to our db.  If you define, for example, a class called Foo, and then define the columns of the object, the schema, and package that manages the foo object, and it figures out all the rest.
[03:53] <maxolasersquad_f> So with my object foo defined, the abstraction then knows how to get, update, insert, and delete objects of that class.
[03:54] <mhall119> yeah, that's Django
[03:54] <maxolasersquad_f> I can then manually define custom functions, such as actions that may be taken against it, but even the action procedures are all abstracted in a standard format so by simply defining that there's an action with a given name, everything else is taken care of.
[03:54] <maxolasersquad_f> One of our developers that's a big ruby guy suggested the idea, and I coded the starting point for it.  It's probably in rails too, is my guess.
[03:55] <maxolasersquad_f> I sure wish we could FOSS a lot of our code, as there's not too many quality libraries for PL/SQL and especially for PHP with PL/SQL.
[03:56] <mhall119> yeah, most PHP seems to go towards MySQL or Postgres
[03:57] <maxolasersquad_f> If we could move to MySQL that would be even more rockin', but I digress.
[05:39] <greiser> there's php on trax project that duplicates ruby on rail's mvc patterns
[05:56] <directionalpad> Anyone a fan of Mario Marathon?
[13:43] <maxolasersquad> Anyone here have a favorite cli email client?
[13:47] <mhall119> there are more than 2?
[13:47] <mhall119> a guy I work with uses Emacs for his mail client
[13:48] <maxolasersquad> mail, pine, mutt
[13:48] <maxolasersquad> mhall119: I wonder if there's a similar way to use vi as an e-mail client.
[13:51] <dantalizing> morning
[13:52] <maxolasersquad> Oooh, elm is another, though I think it is more-or-less pine.
[13:57] <DammitJim> do any of you use Google Books?
[13:57] <DammitJim> alpine
[13:57] <DammitJim> that's what I use :)
[13:57] <DammitJim> I heard mutt is vi like
[14:00] <maxolasersquad> I'm giving vi a shot right now.
[14:00] <maxolasersquad> Errr, I'm giving mutt a shot right now.
[14:11] <maxolasersquad> I'm setup in mutt.  Now just to see if I like it over Evolution/Thunderbird.
[14:11] <dantalizing> evolution is painful
[14:17] <zoopster> maxolasersquad: what about calendar?
[14:24] <greiser> morning
[14:36] <dantalizing> I <3 cm7 nightlies
[14:36] <dantalizing> i'm just sayin..
[14:38] <tiemonster> Has anyone in here played with Node.js yet?
[14:39] <dantalizing> I <3 node.js
[14:39] <greiser> yeah
[14:40] <greiser> sammy.js is awesome too
[14:40] <greiser> it's like view mapping for ajax stuff...
[14:43] <tiemonster> I'm considering using it for an upcoming real-time app
[14:43] <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: I've played with it some.  Lots of win.
[14:43] <tiemonster> what have you used for persistence?
[14:43] <maxolasersquad> Everyone should watch http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/05/20/video-dahl/
[14:44] <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: I haven't played with it enough to need persistance.
[14:44] <tiemonster> k
[14:45] <dantalizing> tiemonster: there are lots of persistence librairies available .. postgres, couch, redis, mongo
[14:45] <dantalizing> mysql .. obviously
[14:45] <tiemonster> I'd love to have an object store
[14:52] <maxolasersquad> I would like to eventually move all my personal application development to node.js
[14:53] <greiser> i would like to eventually have ANY personal time for personal application development.....
[14:53] <tiemonster> yeah - this is for class...
[14:54] <tiemonster> we'll probably end up just using django
[14:55] <maxolasersquad> The idea of a development environment built entirely around the concept of never blocking is really cool IMO.
[14:55] <tiemonster> yes
[14:56] <tiemonster> and will probably be the pivotal concept in the python application server I'm thinking of building for my senior project
[14:56] <maxolasersquad> The creator of node.js lays it all out in the video I posted above.
[14:56] <tiemonster> yeah - I don't have time to watch it now
[15:17] <maxolasersquad> Yeah, I waited a few days.  I think my wife went to watch a chick-flick or something, so I put on the talk.
[15:19] <tiemonster> I need to find a C++ project to commit to in three days or less
[15:19] <tiemonster> I could not, for the life of me, build LibreOffice from source
[15:31] <dantalizing> isnt evolution c++ ??
[15:31] <tiemonster> I need something way smaller
[15:31] <tiemonster> we only have 2 weeks to develop and submit a patch
[15:31] <dantalizing> gdb?
[15:31] <tiemonster> !google gdb
[15:31] <culb> Results for gdb on Google:
[15:31] <ubuntu-fl> tiemonster: GDB: The GNU Project Debugger: <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/>; GDB Documentation: <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/documentation/>; gdb Tutorial: <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~gilpin/tutorial/>
[15:31] <culb> --
[15:32] <dantalizing> ubuntu-fl needs to search oloh
[15:32] <tiemonster> it does
[15:32] <dantalizing> meeting ....
[15:32] <dantalizing> oh cool
[15:32] <tiemonster> as long as the results are in Google ;-)
[15:32] <dantalizing> oh
[15:32] <tiemonster> !google site:ohloh.net gdb
[15:32] <culb> Results for site:ohloh.net gdb on Google:
[15:32] <culb> --
[15:32] <ubuntu-fl> tiemonster: GDB: <http://www.ohloh.net/p/gdb>; Emacs GDB-MI: <http://www.ohloh.net/p/emacs-gdb-mi>; gdb-remote: <http://www.ohloh.net/p/gdb-remote>
[15:32] <tiemonster> culb: ?
[15:33] <tiemonster> I need a small library or something
[15:33] <tiemonster> although node.js is wicked cool, and I'd love to submit to it
[15:33] <tiemonster> *contribute
[16:00] <greiser> !google site:github.com Reactor
[16:00] <culb> Results for site:github.com Reactor on Google:
[16:00] <ubuntu-fl> greiser: oldmoe/reactor - GitHub: <https://github.com/oldmoe/reactor>; aeden/jruby-http-reactor - GitHub: <https://github.com/aeden/jruby-http-reactor>; philsturgeon/codeigniter-reactor - GitHub: <https://github.com/philsturgeon/codeigniter-reactor>
[16:00] <culb> --
[16:01] <greiser> mah
[16:01] <greiser> my result doesn't show
[16:01] <greiser> even though it's my project..
[16:01] <greiser> :P
[16:01] <greiser> !google site:github.com Reactor3D
[16:01] <ubuntu-fl> greiser: gabereiser's Profile - GitHub: <https://github.com/gabereiser>
[16:01] <culb> Results for site:github.com Reactor3D on Google:
[16:01] <culb> --
[16:01] <greiser> ahhh
[16:01] <greiser> there it is
[16:03] <greiser> you can always give me patches to https://github.com/gabereiser/Reactor
[16:06] <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: I was looking at some of the small cleanup stuff for LibeOffice, and couldn't get past the structure and compiling either.
[16:07] <tiemonster> maxolasersquad: I'm talking with some of the node.js guys now
[16:07] <maxolasersquad> Cool
[16:12] <tiemonster> yeah - seems more doable
[16:12] <tiemonster> unfortunately their greatest need is help with porting to Windows
[16:25] <maxolasersquad> fail
[16:29] <tiemonster> I'm thinking of adding third-party support for geospatial calculations
[17:40] <dantalizing> according to @creationix windows has a better platform for file operations under node ... apparently linux file ops are all blocking, and so node basically creates a bunch of underlying threads to give the appearance of non-blocking io
[17:40] <dantalizing> thats why the node people are itching to get on windows
[18:01] <maxolasersquad> dantalizing: He talks about the blocking problem at the FS level in the talk.
[18:02] <maxolasersquad> I wonder what kind of work would have to be done to have non-blocking file I/I in Linux.  Is that a filesystem thing?
[18:07] <zoopster> dantalizing: you use the sip client built into cm7?>
[18:12] <dantalizing> zoopster: i used it previously
[18:12] <dantalizing> with gizmo5 svc ... but i dont want to give gizmo5 $, so its not really useful for me atm
[18:26] <mianosm2> I wish I could port my # to google voice... :(
[18:26]  * mianosm2 goes back to hitting F5 and waiting for the option to appear for me...
[18:26] <dantalizing> mianosm2: its only mobile numbers .. i thought you could do landlines as well, but no
[18:26] <mianosm2> port your landline to a mobile, to a google!
[18:28] <zoopster> dantalizing: you used gizmo5? what about the internal one on cm7? have you looked at it?
[18:29] <dantalizing> zoopster: i set gizmo5 to be my "internet calling" in the internal app
[18:29] <dantalizing> zoopster: do you have tmobile?
[18:31] <zoopster> dantalizing: yes
[18:31] <dantalizing> zoopster:  have you used the kineto app?
[18:32] <dantalizing> the wifi calling works great
[18:32] <dantalizing> its not free-ish sip, but still cool
[18:32] <dantalizing> i was able to make wifi calls from india to us for free :)
[18:33] <dantalizing> "free" means it used my t-mo minutes ...
[18:49] <zoopster> have not used kineto dantalizing
[18:49] <zoopster> guess I need to go check
[18:50] <zoopster> I just upgraded to cm7 and saw the sip option in the settings...didn't know if you had tried it...I'm gonna try it with our sip system
[19:26] <maxolasersquad> mhall119 dantalizing I found out that after pressing alt+F7, I can use shift+right to toggle which monitor a fullscreen app is on.
[19:31] <mianosm2> 2.6.38
[19:32] <mianosm2> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/1/18/322
[19:38] <dantalizing> maxolasersquad: does that move a "fullscreen" from being on both screens to only one?
[19:42] <maxolasersquad> dantalizing: In my setup, full screen applies to a monitor at a time, not the whole screen.
[19:42] <dantalizing> i'll go home and test this now


[00:34] <oklinux> how is vista basic compare to xubuntu ?
[00:39] <Stroganoff> tough question
[00:39] <Stroganoff> xubuntu is faster, thats for sure.
[00:40] <TheSheep> it's also cheaper :D
[00:45] <brynjolf> to make xubuntu look like vista (to take one example) you need to use config files
[00:45] <siggjen> vista doesn't have as fance 3d desktop either
[00:45] <siggjen> s/fance/fancy/
[00:46] <johnnylu> why doesn't my ubuntu boot but instead eject the cd at system reset?
[00:48] <TheSheep> johnnylu: to remind you to remove the livecd from the drive
[00:49] <johnnylu> ?
[00:49] <johnnylu> ?!
[00:49] <johnnylu> i'm not sure i understand
[00:50] <TheSheep> johnnylu: once you install ubuntu from the livecd and restart the system, you want to boot from the hdd, not from the cd, so it ejects it so that you are not surprised when your livecd boots again
[00:53] <johnnylu> thesheep, ok, but mine linux doesn't even boot
[00:54] <johnnylu> bbl
[03:23] <mfe> This OS rocks!
[03:23] <mfe> Thanks one and all
[03:24] <Stroganoff> it rocks even more in hardy (faster IMHO)
[03:24] <mfe> I'm still pinching myself
[03:25] <mfe> what's wrong with the new release?
[03:25] <Stroganoff> nothing
[03:25] <mfe> oh
[03:25] <mfe> you mean it gets better?
[03:25] <Stroganoff> yep
[03:25] <mfe> WOW!
[03:25] <mfe> ouch
[03:26] <mfe> i mean... wow
[03:26] <mfe> i can't wait til the Gnash project gets up to speed
[03:26] <mfe> do they take donations?
[03:27] <Stroganoff> i think so
[03:27] <Stroganoff> or maybe not
[03:30] <mfe> what's the best place to get a game of chess?
[03:30] <Stroganoff> www.gameknot.com
[03:30] <Stroganoff> they have real-time and max3to14 days per move
[03:31] <mfe> i like real time speed chess
[03:31] <mfe> thanks
[03:31] <Stroganoff> they call it "blitz chess"
[03:32] <mfe> that's the one
[03:32] <mfe> will i be able to install hardy over a network connection?
[03:32] <Stroganoff> yes
[03:33] <mfe> do tell...
[03:33] <Stroganoff> use the upgrade manager in your settings menu
[03:33] <mfe> what?
[03:33] <mfe> yer kiddin
[03:33] <mfe> awesome!
[03:34] <Stroganoff> Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
[03:34] <mfe> why, Stroganoff are you being sarcastic?
[03:34] <mfe> lol
[03:35] <Stroganoff> linux folks are used to upgrading over internet since al gore invented it ;)
[03:36] <mfe> you mean that Penguin lover?
[03:37] <Stroganoff> no
[03:40] <mfe> take care stroganoff
[03:41] <Stroganoff> i'm trying
[03:45] <latitu> iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)?
[03:50] <adude> how do i lock the screen?
[03:50] <Stroganoff>  If you search the forums for partimage.org you'll find another solution was to press the scroll-lock key every .5 or 1GB or so. latitu. it sounds strange.
[03:51] <adude> never mind i figured it out.
[03:51] <Stroganoff> adude, the logout button should offer screen locking
[03:52] <latitu> Stroganoff the error comes in the start
[04:09] <latitu> if i dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > /home/hda1.bin.gz      , it will copy data including freespace too or just files ?
[04:19] <latitu> how to completely check a partition? ext3
[06:27] <zeke> anyone ever get a "Buffer I/O error on device sr*" when trying to install?
[06:29] <GregoryPew> how do I change the system font size.  all my text has freaked out and dropped to size 4 or 6?
[06:30] <gnub_daemon> I think it should probably be under the Settings tab in the maun menu...not positive on that tough
[06:31] <gnub_daemon> sp due to typing with a cig in one hand
[06:32] <GregoryPew> chnging the font in the desktop setings only changes the font size of the desktop icon, and only when I tell it to ignore the system font.  Changing it in windows manager font size only effects window titlebars.
[06:32] <GregoryPew> User interface doesn't efect it either.
[06:34] <gnub_daemon> oh...I haven't the slightest then...I really only use xubuntu for mythtv
[11:19] <Banan_wii> hi all
[11:19] <Banan_wii> is it possible to install printer without having root privileges?
[11:41] <TheSheep> Banan_wii: yes, just use the settings->printing dialog
[11:42] <Banan_wii> it shows me only small window with ListBox with 2 obj : None and CUPS .... no preferences button there
[11:43] <Banan_wii> openoffice shows no printer installed
[11:43] <nikolam> Banan_wii, Not in System menu. Look for it in Settings menu. Settings>Printing
[11:45] <TheSheep> Banan_wii: not the 'default printer', but the 'printing'
[11:45] <Banan_wii> i have only something like "settings of printing system"
[11:46] <Banan_wii> and HPLIP Toolbox
[11:46] <Banan_wii> 6.06 ver
[11:46] <TheSheep> ah
[11:46] <TheSheep> that's so old
[11:46] <TheSheep> I think the printer config was added alter
[11:47] <TheSheep> later
[11:48] <Banan_wii> AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
[11:48] <Banan_wii> its LTS .... is there any way to install this?
[11:49] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html
[11:49] <TheSheep> I guess you need root to enable configuration by an user
[11:51] <TheSheep> note that xubuntu doesn't even have normal commercial support by canonical
[12:12] <owen1> just installed xubuntu and i love it!
[12:12] <owen1> it's just like gnome but awesome.
[12:13] <owen1> is it safe to apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:13] <ere4si> did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[12:14] <owen1> ere4si: yes
[12:14] <ere4si> owen1: then yep - updates will be fine
[12:15] <owen1> ere4si: what do u mean?
[12:16] <ere4si> owen1: having no *buntu-desktop can bork updates  sometimes
[12:16] <owen1> ere4si: so i should keep ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:17] <ere4si> owen1: if you have xubuntu-desktop it will be fine - most likely would be fine either way - just being careful here :)
[12:18] <owen1> ere4si: ok
[12:19] <owen1> ere4si: how do u change the alt+F2 function to be different key combo? i couldn't find it in the shortcuts section.
[12:20] <owen1> (and it was possible in gnome)
[12:20] <TheSheep> owen1: in keyboard settings
[12:20] <ere4si> owen1: I don't use keyboard shortcuts sorry - have a bottom panel setup as a dock for apps
[12:20] <TheSheep> owen1: note that not everything that was possible in gnome is possible in xfce, and vice versa
[12:22] <owen1> TheSheep: got it..i really want to replace the alt+F2 with something else...i did it in gnome...
[12:25] <TheSheep> yeah, you get used to personalized shortcuts
[12:27] <owen1> TheSheep: can i accomplish it from the CLI maybe?
[12:28] <TheSheep> owen1: settings->keyboard settings->shortcuts
[12:29] <owen1> in Xubuntu it's in settings->settings manager->keaboard->shortcuts. the problem is that i can't see there alt+F2...
[12:30] <owen1> alt+F2 is the combo that opens the 'run application' form.
[12:30] <owen1> it's much faster than katapult.
[12:31] <ere4si> why change it?
[12:31] <owen1> ere4si: since i use it so often, i like to open it with the window key. it's faster for me.
[12:32] <owen1> ere4si: if i don't find it i switch back to gnome.
[12:32] <owen1> (kidding)
[12:33] <ere4si> hehe
[12:35] <TheSheep> owen1: click on the plus button to create your own set of shortcuts, then you can edit it
[12:48] <owen1> TheSheep: i know, but there is no 'run application'.
[12:49] <owen1> TheSheep: wait...
[12:49] <owen1> TheSheep: i think i found it
[12:55] <bebraw> does xubuntu (hardy) recall which programs were open the last time you closed it?
[12:57] <TheSheep> bebraw: only if you check the 'save session' checkbox when closing
[12:57] <TheSheep> bebraw: and only with the programs that actually uspport sessions
[12:57] <bebraw> TheSheep, cool. that's the ~one~ feature keeping me in kubuntu :)
[12:57] <TheSheep> it doesn't work perfectly
[12:58] <bebraw> hardy should come in a couple days, right?
[12:58] <TheSheep> yes, but this feature is in xfce since like 2 years
[12:58] <owen1> TheSheep: you are right. it's there. the problem i have is it doesn't recognize the windows key!
[12:58] <owen1> TheSheep: windows+a works, but windows alone does not...
[12:59] <bebraw> TheSheep, does hardy handle changes in screen configuration (change one screen to two on the fly) fine?
[12:59] <TheSheep> owen1: I think you need to edit the ~/.config/xfce4/shortcuts/XXXX.xml manually and put Super_L in there
[12:59] <owen1> TheSheep: ok, thanks!
[13:00] <TheSheep> bebraw: there is no gui dialog for doing it, but you can do it with xrandr just fine
[13:01] <bebraw> alright. great
[13:02] <owen1> under 'session and startups' there are 2 checkboxes:launch gnome services / launch kde services. which one (if any do i need)?
[13:03] <TheSheep> owen1: you don't need any of them, but you can check them if you want the gnome/kde apps to startup faster
[13:03] <TheSheep> owen1: it will startup some gnome/kde helper programs on startup. otherwise they are started when you start an application that uses them
[13:03] <ere4si> owen1: you used to have ubuntu which uses gnome so choose gnome
[13:04] <owen1> ere4si: cool
[13:04] <ere4si> :)
[13:05] <owen1> ere4si: is xfce being updated often? i guess it's less known since the default is gnome.
[13:05] <ere4si> owen1: I couldn't say - I only experience it through xubuntu
[13:06] <TheSheep> owen1: xfce is updated very unregularly, as it's a hobby project
[13:07] <TheSheep> owen1: gnome on th other hand is updated every 6 months
[13:07] <owen1> TheSheep: i wonder why is it faster than gnome? what makes it fast?
[13:07] <TheSheep> owen1: it does much less and in simpler ways
[13:08] <TheSheep> owen1: also, it's has better internal structure, because it was designed, not "grown"
[13:08] <TheSheep> gnome pretty much just happened :)
[13:08] <TheSheep> although there is a lot of effort to clean up gnome
[13:11] <owen1> TheSheep: i was surprised that the default for doc is not openoffice. abiword is faster!
[13:12] <TheSheep> owen1: yeach, xubuntu tries to choose the faster/smaller programs, although it's often at the cost of less functionality
[13:12] <TheSheep> owen1: for example, Thunar can't browse windows network
[13:13] <TheSheep> owen1: not by itself, you need to use smbfs fr it
[13:13] <TheSheep> for
[13:14] <owen1> TheSheep: so if i have windows machine in my intranet i need samba?
[13:15] <TheSheep> yes
[13:15] <TheSheep> at least if you want to use the windows's built-in file transfer
[13:33] <owen1> is there a shortcut to 'places'?
[13:34] <TheSheep> afaik no
[14:00] <sprauekraut> I seem to be having a problem with my wireless connection. I have a broadcom and have to use a restricted driver (43xx). Lately my connection has been dropping about every hour, if i go into the system network settings and uncheck/re-check the checkbox next to my my wireless device, and submit the changes, it works again.  Xubuntu 7.10
[14:01] <sprauekraut> some more useful information, i use WEP and static IP
[14:02] <sprauekraut> so, would anyone know why it drops connection periodically, and how to fix it?
[14:05] <S0210> Hi! I have Xubuntu 8.04 beta and found a file named /etc/boa/boa.conf although I do not have boa at all. Is it meantto be like this?
[14:07] <TheSheep> S0210: did you uninstall anything?
[14:10] <S0210> A few things... But I never had boa.
[14:16] <TheSheep> maybe something used it
[14:16] <TheSheep> did you uninstall it with the --purge option?
[14:19] <S0210> TheSheep: I can't answer. I use(d) Synaptic and I (un)installed quite a few applications. None of which required a webserver to best of my knowledge...
[14:20] <S0210> TheSheep: But if anybody else has the same directory/file then probably that is what happened
[14:22] <TheSheep> S0210: no, no boa.conf here
[14:23] <TheSheep> S0210: synaptic doesn't list anything under 'Not installed (residual config)'?
[14:26] <S0210> Ahm... there is something
[14:28] <S0210> It says boa is bot installed although under properties at the "installed files" tab I can see a few files. Including the one I mentioned above...
[14:28] <S0210> bot = not
[14:33] <S0210> Removed...
[14:46] <S0210> How to modify the menu? I open Xfce4-MenuEditor but the menu.xml doesn't have the already existing items.
[14:47] <TheSheep> S0210: they are automatically generated from the installed programs
[14:47] <TheSheep> S0210: but you can add your own
[14:47] <TheSheep> S0210: just create the submenus and items you want, they will be merged together
[14:48] <S0210> How to create submenu?
[14:49] <TheSheep> S0210: add new item and select 'submenu' as the item kind
[14:50] <S0210> TheSheep: I nthe Xfce4-MenuEditor?
[14:50] <S0210> TheSheep: For /home/<user>/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml?
[14:52] <TheSheep> S0210: um, you click on the "+" and select 'Submenu" from the "Type:" dropbox
[14:54] <S0210> Oh, I see
[14:56] <S0210> Is there a way to modify the other menus? (E.g. mouse-right-click on desktop menu)
[14:56] <TheSheep> make sure you create the submenu entries *above* the include
[14:57] <Stroganoff> S0210 you can add custom user actions
[15:04] <S0210> OK, it would be fine this way...
[15:05] <S0210> Another question... in case of pluging a pendrive into the USB I see something strange
[15:05] <S0210> For tail -f /var/log/messages I got the following messages
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.488549] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.488914] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.490110] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.490447] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[15:05] <S0210> (sorry for flooding)
[15:06] <S0210> Doesn't it means that it thinks that I plugged two pendrives? Why is it comming twice?
[15:07] <Stroganoff> try my custom user actions: http://home.arcor.de/stroganoff/uca.xml
[15:07] <Stroganoff> copy this to ~/.config/Thunar
[15:08] <TheSheep> S0210: arent all the extract* actions handled by the archive plugin automatically?
[15:08] <Stroganoff> yeah i haven't that installed
[15:09] <TheSheep> -_-
[15:09] <Stroganoff> (that archive plugin)
[15:09] <Stroganoff> your usb problem is strange, i dunno
[15:23] <gar1> hi peeps!  anyone remember the name of that program for accessing a ntfs drive?
[15:25] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[15:25] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[15:26] <gar1> ntfs-3go the bot told me
[15:30] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[15:30] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:44] <Matti_A> !wifi
[15:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:32] <CriSiS> hola
[17:32] <CriSiS> i have a problem with compiz
[17:32] <CriSiS> i installed it and it works 100%
[17:32] <CriSiS> the only matter is that i loose the window decoration
[17:33] <CriSiS> i mean i don't have window bar with buttons to close, enlarge, minimize and so
[17:33] <CriSiS> but if i install emerald i have it all...
[19:09] <slimjimflim> hello if i wanted to start from scratch w/ sound card drivers and/or mixers, other than alsa, amixer and xfcemixer is there anything else important i should be deleting/removing?
[19:10] <slimjimflim> to clarify, i'm not trying to avoid those programs, just trying to figure out what to delete
[19:10] <slimjimflim> for now
[20:19] <mikubuntu> i think i found a bug in the rc of xub 804 alt installer, are there devs in here to speak to about it?
[20:20] <Cromag> !bugs
[20:20] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:23] <nikolam> If I want to make *.rar archives? What should I use? rar archiver in repository is non-free but says it will stop working after 30 days. Do I reely need rar for vobsub compresiion like stated in dvd::rip program?
[21:27] <slimjimflim> nikolam `sudo apt-get install rar`
[21:27] <slimjimflim> i think
[21:28] <slimjimflim> and unrar
[21:28] <slimjimflim> unrar is non-free
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> hey, any ideas about good GRUB options to prevent USB from crashing on a pre-2000 PC? so far I have "noapic nolapic pci=noacpi pci=biosirq acpi=off" without those I don't even get automount of USB sticks
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu gutsy btw
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> the above options worked well once...
[21:35] <owen1> when changing the keyboard layout, i loose it after restart.
[21:35] <nikolam> slimjimflim, Thanks, but it is saying that rar will stop functioning after 30 days..
[21:36] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Hey, if it is working eith those settings, why to change it?
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: because it workED once
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> i.e; not anymore :)
[21:37] <nikolam> hmm, on gutsy?
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[21:38] <nikolam> hm, so that is the same install, same hardware but ..
[21:39] <slimjimflim> nikolam? for real?
[21:40] <nikolam> slimjimflim, yes, it is saying like that in synaptic. there is both free and non-free unarar but rar is only non-free and 30 days limited on linux, i think.
[21:40] <slimjimflim> i've never had any non-free software stop working
[21:40] <slimjimflim> lemme see if mine still works, i've had it longer than 30 days
[21:41] <nikolam> slimjimflim, 40 days, not 30 days ;)
[21:42] <slimjimflim> whatever
[21:43] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63868/
[21:43] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Does Usb is crashing but the rest of the system works fine?
[21:44] <nikolam> Maybe you should look what modules kernel loads for that USB
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: yes
[21:44] <nikolam> try lsusb lspci etc
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> uhci_hcd
[21:44] <nikolam> to figure out what usb controller it is
[21:45] <nikolam> Maybe you should try to also recompile cernel and use it temporeraly before you find solution based on loading modules
[21:45] <nikolam> Also,. try to use older kernel selecting it from grub
[21:46] <nikolam> If it works with previous kernel image (before some gutsy update) maybe you should post bug report about newer one..
[21:46] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: ok my bad, maybe my sentence was confusing
[21:46] <nikolam> If it works after clean gutsy install with those options but not after updates of gutsy, than it`s a bug for report i think
[21:48] <PsynoKhi0> when I said "it worked once" I meant really, once, like... booted after changing the GRUB options, all went fine... reboot again, crash
[21:48] <nikolam> slimjimflim, I misread it, it is needed to only register it after 40 days, maybe it will keep working after that, too..
[21:48] <PsynoKhi0> didn't work in Feisty either
[21:48] <nikolam> ah..
[21:48] <slimjimflim> my file roller handles it so i don't mess w/ rar much
[21:48] <nikolam> did you try some other linux distro, maybe problem is ubuntu-related?
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: only thing I've tried is PuppyLinux, which broked too
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> borked*
[21:49] <nikolam> slimjimflim, yes, I use file-roller too. And i don`t make .rar`s anymore. But dvd::rip want to have it installed so i was thinking..
[21:50] <slimjimflim> have you tried to rip anything yet?
[21:51] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Try to figure out first what usb controller /on mb is that , then maybe u can use it to trace solution for your usb. I suggest that maybe some Bios option is broken or usb itself, ot Linuxes ;,)
[21:51] <nikolam> slimjimflim, I will try ;)
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> the USB controller is marked as VT83xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1
[21:52] <PsynoKhi0> oops VT82xxxxx
[21:52] <nikolam> so it`s via
[21:52] <PsynoKhi0> yes, MVP3 chipset, Super7
[21:53] <nikolam> Hmmm mvp3 is known to have ALl sort of problems, Even on Windows I remember that Super7..
[21:55] <nikolam> that is pentioum 1 MoBo, If I can remember..
[21:55] <nikolam> or p2..
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> running a K6-2 500 on it
[21:59] <nikolam> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/51771
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 51771 in linux-source-2.6.15 "crash when plugging in a USB device with the USB 2.0 driver (dup-of: 50610)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50610 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel hangs on USB-devices without panic" [Undecided,Fix released]
[21:59] <nikolam> "As you can see from bug #50610, this behaviour only occours when ACPI BIOS is disabled."
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50610 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel hangs on USB-devices without panic" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50610
[22:00] <nikolam> You can reopen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/50610
[22:00] <nikolam> if you want
[22:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50610 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel hangs on USB-devices without panic" [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:04] <PsynoKhi0> hmmm... from the description, sounds like the whole computer hangs... not really my case
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> brb trying something
[22:39] <jcp> hi, i'm kind of confused by xubuntu's terminal. when i try to use the terminal from applications, all it does is log me out. does anyone know why this happens?
[22:42] <jcp> seems like xserver is crashing and restarting
[22:45] <nikolam> ? jcp Ctrl+Alt+F7 is X server
[22:51] <brynjolf> How do I list my fonts in xubuntu+_
[22:53] <jcp> i'm not sure off the top of my head, but check synaptic for a font manager


[00:14] <tomreyn> ciKRos: for all applications which are not part of your graphical desktop, just restarting the application should be sufficient.
 is there any reference to learn how Xorg, openbox, and lxqt work flow? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> ciKRos: for all applications which are not part of your graphical desktop, just restarting the application should be sufficient.)
[17:46] <tomreyn> ciKRos: I bet there are books on Xorg, maybe also on openbox and lxqt. i'm not sure whether there is much about the combination of these.


[00:07] <chando> guys, what is the "Join" button for in Quassel IRC (that's what I'm on)
[00:51] <tsimpson> chando: to join another channel
[01:47] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: we now have the kubuntu docs on userbase as well, at least those we are working on
[01:48] <valorie> userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu as I recall
[01:56] <TheFakeazneD525> ah
[03:04] <timeaftertime> !ops
[03:11] <timeaftertime> !ops
[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:52] <beilfusso> <df<sf
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[06:52] <beilfusso> Yo
[06:52] <unopaste> prentket you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[06:52] <beilfusso> hi
[06:52] <knopj> is ja geil
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[06:52] <wladaschm> Hi
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[06:52] <rohmannm> was du so gucken?
[06:52] <kroegert> #laüft
[06:52] <eberhardtl01> hallo
[06:52] <knopj> lolol
[06:52] <darowskij> haha
[06:52] <mausolfh> hi
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[06:52] <ebermannl> Hallo
[06:52] <runckl> yolo
[06:52] <wladaschm> =)
[06:52] <eberhardtl01> moin
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[06:53] <lorenzh_> Hallo :)
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[06:53] <hueckstaedtm> provoziert mich nicht
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[06:53] <darowskij> ich kann euch nocht verstehen
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[06:53] <beilfusso> \gommemode
[06:53] <rohmannm> Was is denn los mit euch
[06:53] <rohmannm> ?
[06:53] <eberhardtl01> leute chat rum
[06:53] <darowskij> fat
[06:54] <beilfusso_> \verpass leon Stromschock
[06:54] <hueckstaedtm_> Bleibt mal geschmeidig
[06:54] <kroegert_> das wird room geschrieben
[06:54] <runckl_> #ihr seid hacker
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[06:54] <knopj_> u wmis
[06:54] <prentket_> hallo
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[06:54] <lorenzh__> hallo
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[06:57] <lordievader> Thanks Tm_T :)
[10:44] <ap0c> Waffl3x:  www.pendrivelinux.com is a good place to start
[10:45] <ap0c> Waffl3x:  You can use a CD / DVD / USB-Drive / SD-Card
[10:45] <Waffl3x> I dont mind partitioning like I said
[10:46] <ap0c> well in order to install the OS you will need to put it onto a medium listed above ^
[10:46] <Waffl3x> would external drive work?
[10:46] <Waffl3x> probably not huh
[10:46] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: it could
[10:47] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: but you are better off (temporarily) putting it on a thumbdrive
[10:47] <ap0c> I never really owned an external, aren't they basically a big USB?
[10:48] <Waffl3x> ill do that if I can find one
[10:48] <Kwpolska> ap0c: they are, pretty much
[10:48] <ap0c> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/installing-ubuntu-to-a-usb-hard-drive/
[10:49] <ap0c> Ubuntu 7.04 is dated but the guide is relevant I think
[10:49] <Waffl3x> ill be right back
[10:49] <ap0c> Do you have a blank CD?
[10:54] <Waffl3x> I have a usb stick, I just found it
[10:55] <ap0c> How many GB?
[10:55] <Waffl3x> let me check
[10:56] <Waffl3x> 29
[10:56] <ap0c> If you have at least 700MB it's large enough to hold a live-disk of Ubuntu
[10:56] <Waffl3x> wait no
[10:56] <Waffl3x> 25
[10:56] <ap0c> 25GB?
[10:57] <Waffl3x> yes
[10:57] <ap0c> That's plenty
[10:57] <ap0c> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[10:57] <Waffl3x> but its not my personal drive
[10:57] <Waffl3x> so I need to install to the disk after
[10:57] <ap0c> Are there files on it?  If there are you will need to back them up
[10:58] <Waffl3x> kk
[10:58] <ap0c> follow the tutorial on that page I linked ^ it will also download the .iso for you
[10:59] <Waffl3x> should I make a partition first or after?
[10:59] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: partitions are created in the kubuntu installer
[10:59] <ap0c> You can do that within the kubuntu installer
[10:59] <Waffl3x> and it wont fuck with my files?
[10:59] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: shouldn’t
[10:59] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: but do have backups
[10:59] <ap0c> if you completely wipe windows, everything will be gone on your C: drive
[10:59] <Waffl3x> fuck
[11:00] <Waffl3x> ap0c: I decided to instal to my desktop on a partition
[11:00] <Waffl3x> im not going to wipe my laptop right now
[11:00] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: then you shouldn’t lose all data
[11:00] <ap0c> you said you have an external HDD, you could backup what you need on there
[11:00] <ap0c> if you do need to back anything up
[11:00] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you should always have backups, whether or not you’re messing with your drive
[11:00] <Waffl3x> theres like no space on it :/
[11:00] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: dropbox, onedrive, google drive?
[11:01] <Waffl3x> no
[11:01] <Waffl3x> I guess ill just risk it
[11:01] <Waffl3x> I have nothing important on the drive anyway
[11:01] <Waffl3x> just my windows install
[11:01] <Waffl3x> everything important is on my other drive
[11:01] <ap0c> if you have nothing of importance than you don't really need to back it up imo
[11:02] <ap0c> I use a secondary HDD as well for bulk file storage ^
[11:02] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: don’t back it up then, it shouldn’t break anyway (though it’s still a possibility)
[11:02]  * Kwpolska loves cloud storage
[11:02] <ap0c> Waffl3x: are you following that YUMI tutorial?
[11:02] <Kwpolska> why not follow (semi-)official ubuntu docs?
[11:02] <ap0c> it'll get you a linux distro of your choice installed to a flash drive to boot from, easily
[11:03] <Waffl3x> I havent started yet
[11:03] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: follow this (but choose Kubuntu instead): http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[11:04] <ap0c> Yumi is an updated version of Pen Drive Linux's USB installer
[11:04] <Waffl3x> so I should use yumi?
[11:04] <Waffl3x> or what he linked?
[11:04]  * Kwpolska would trust Ubuntu.com, one would imageine they are more experienced
[11:05] <ap0c> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ <
[11:05]  * ap0c sees Pen Drive Linux's USB creator at the top of the page on Ubuntu.com
[11:06] <Kwpolska> besides, 14.10 is released in 9 days
[11:06] <ap0c> they both work the same man
[11:06] <Kwpolska> ap0c: they might.
[11:07] <ap0c> you just download an .iso and choose it with Pen Drive Linux' USB installer, and with YUMI it downloads the .iso for you (or you can choose a local .iso)
[11:07] <Kwpolska> ap0c: dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX for life
[11:09] <ap0c> Waffl3x: how's it coming along
[11:09] <Waffl3x> im starting
[11:09] <Waffl3x> :/
[11:10] <Waffl3x> ive been looking through my harddrive
[11:10] <Waffl3x> to double check nothing there is important
[11:11] <ap0c> to install xchat when you get on linux, if you're on *buntu you can type in sudo apt-get install xchat into the terminal
[11:11] <Waffl3x> IMPORTANT: Ensure that all internal hard drives are disconnected from your computer during the install (pull your SATA or IDE cables)
[11:11] <Waffl3x> wat
[11:11] <Waffl3x> seriously?
[11:12] <Waffl3x> okay
[11:12] <Waffl3x> remind me what tutorial im looking at
[11:12] <ap0c> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[11:13] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: where didd you read that IMPORTANT invalid advice?
[11:13] <ap0c> I'm wondering the same
[11:14] <Waffl3x> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/installing-ubuntu-to-a-usb-hard-drive/
[11:14] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: don’t read that
[11:14] <Waffl3x> I guess it was an old link
[11:14] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: it’s old and does not work in your case
[11:15] <Waffl3x> okay
[11:15] <Waffl3x> got the program
[11:16] <ap0c> open it up
[11:17] <Waffl3x> so what linux do I want?
[11:17] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: kubuntu
[11:17] <ap0c> I recommend Kubuntu for distribution, but you could also try Ubuntu or Xubuntu (they differ by Window Manager)
[11:17] <Kwpolska> ap0c: desktop environment*
[11:17] <Waffl3x> ill take your word for it
[11:17] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: If you want a Windows 7-like experience, go for Kubuntu
[11:17] <ap0c> yeah Kwpolska, DE*
[11:17] <ap0c> it's 7:17 AM
[11:18] <ap0c> trying to help this guy out before I pass out ^
[11:18] <Waffl3x> do I need to download the iso myself?
[11:18] <ap0c> if you leave Local iso selected unchecked I think it will auto-download it for you
[11:19] <Waffl3x> im confused because it says step 3 select your kubuntu*desktop*.iso
[11:19] <ap0c> did you do step 2?
[11:19] <Waffl3x> yes
[11:19] <ap0c> www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[11:20] <Waffl3x> there was a checkbox
[11:20] <Waffl3x> open download
[11:20] <Waffl3x> I clicked it
[11:20] <Waffl3x> and its downloading
[11:20] <ap0c> on Yumi?
[11:20] <Waffl3x> no
[11:20] <Waffl3x> chrome
[11:21] <ap0c> oh, you could have just said 'it's downloading'
[11:21] <Waffl3x> do I want to format the drive?
[11:21] <ap0c> but ideally you would want to click save for a file you aren't going to open right away
[11:21] <ap0c> and yeah
[11:22] <Waffl3x> what do you mean click save for a file you aren't going to open right away
[11:22] <Waffl3x> this isnt internet explorer :)
[11:22] <ap0c> in chrome/firefox/etc., if you don't want to open something it's usually better to click 'save'
[11:22] <Waffl3x> but yeah chrome doesnt do that, just downloads straight into my downloads folder
[11:22] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you are fine then
[11:23] <Waffl3x> oh wait, I think I comunicated something wrong
[11:23] <ap0c> once it downloads just choose the .iso with Yumi
[11:23] <Waffl3x> I did click the checkbox in yumi
[11:23] <Waffl3x> but it opened the link in chrome
[11:23] <ap0c> unless it automatically fills out the directory once its downloaded
[11:25] <ap0c> almost done?
[11:25] <Waffl3x> heh
[11:25] <Waffl3x> my internet is not even close to lightning fast
[11:25] <Waffl3x> :(
[11:25] <Waffl3x> you might even want to leave instructions and go to bed
[11:26] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: *cough* timezones *cough*
[11:26] <Waffl3x> says 20 minutes left
[11:26] <ap0c> Does it have an estimate?
[11:26] <Waffl3x> Kwpolska: he said it was 7 AM
[11:26] <ap0c> you could check out www.whylinuxisbetter.net
[11:27] <ap0c> this looks a little dated haha
[11:28] <ap0c> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/whats-this-linux-thing-and-why-should-i-try-it/ - here is a little article on Linux
[11:28] <ap0c> aimed at beginners
[11:28] <ap0c> @ Waffl3x
[11:29] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: full instructions: burn the ISO to your USB drive when it downloads (using yumi), reboot, boot from USB (if you can’t figure out how to do it, google around), and follow the installer’s instructions.  Partitioning should be proposed automatically.
[11:32] <ap0c> Waffl3x: I recommend creating a separate partition for /home/ if the partition manager doesn't automatically
[11:33] <Waffl3x> so make 2 new partitions?
[11:33] <Waffl3x> maybe I just partition both my harddrives ones
[11:33] <Waffl3x> once
[11:34] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you will need at least three partitions: windows, linux /, linux /home  — and you may also need/want linux swap
[11:35] <ap0c> you'll need a root partition (OS files and packages mostly) , a home partition (your user account folders are stored here and most of your programs) and swap (a secondary RAM, like Windows Virtual RAM sort of; good for idling)
[11:35] <Kwpolska> ap0c: has support been fixed, or is this still an urban myth and having home come over from a different os doesn’t work?
[11:35] <Kwpolska> ap0c: most of your programs’ configuration*
[11:36] <Waffl3x> so I have 2 harddrives, a 500gb and a tb one
[11:36] <Waffl3x> what do you reccomend I do?
[11:36] <Waffl3x> OS drive partitioned once and the content drive partitioned twice?
[11:36] <Waffl3x> or the other way around?
[11:37] <ap0c> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/partitioning
[11:37] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you have a weird definition of the word “partitioning”
[11:37] <ap0c> Kwpolska: what do you mean - support for?
[11:37] <Waffl3x> how so?
[11:37] <Waffl3x> oh
[11:37] <Kwpolska> ap0c: /home on separate pertition → install new linux
[11:38] <ap0c>  I don't know, this is the first distro I've ran in awhile
[11:38] <ap0c> I haven't tried to install another distro yet
[11:38] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: You want at least two partitions on the OS drive (windows + linux / + swap?) and possibly two on the data drive (windows data + linux /home)
[11:39] <Waffl3x> thats what I meant
[11:39] <Waffl3x> 2 on os and 3 on data or 3 on os and 2 on data
[11:39] <Kwpolska> ap0c: years ago, I’ve had issues when I tried that.  Haven’t installed a Linux on my main computer since late 2010.
[11:39] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: 3 on OS
[11:40] <ap0c> 3 patitions - ext4 root partition, ext4 /home partition , linux swap
[11:40] <Waffl3x> at this rate I should just buy a new harddrive
[11:40] <ap0c> on your OS drive ^ if by 'content drive' you mean storage of movies / pictures / etc. , don't do anything to that
[11:40] <Waffl3x> actually
[11:40] <Waffl3x> thats a good idea
[11:41] <Waffl3x> Ill go dig up an old harddrive
[11:41] <Waffl3x> my content drive consists of programs
[11:41] <ap0c> is your content drive a separate HDD?
[11:41] <Waffl3x> and games
[11:41] <Waffl3x> yes it is
[11:41] <ap0c> you must not understand partitioning ,
[11:41] <ap0c> you only have to partition one HDD
[11:42] <ap0c> you can keep your files on the other
[11:42] <Waffl3x> no I understand partitioning
[11:42] <ap0c> well you seem to think that you have to partition your secondary HDD
[11:42] <Waffl3x> I dont know what I was thinking actually
[11:42] <Waffl3x> I thought it would be better to partition the second drive for linux programs I guess
[11:42] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: Actually, you can just create one new partition on the OS drive, for Linux.
[11:43] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: Also, you can’t partition for “linux programs”.  You basically can’t put them anywhere else but /usr which must be on the same partition as everything else
[11:43] <ap0c> you don't really need a ton of storage for linux, 500GB is plenty
[11:44] <ap0c> I am running on a 500GB HDD with a secondary 500GB HDD
[11:44] <ap0c> 1TB total
[11:44] <Kwpolska> ap0c: main hdd, create ONE 100 gb partition for everything.  should be enough.
[11:45] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: ↑
[11:45] <ap0c> Kwpolska: 100gb for WoW, Diablo3, TF2, CS:GO, CS:S, L4D2, etc. , on top of other stuff? *cough*
[11:45] <Kwpolska> ap0c: I’m assuming they are going to game on Windows anyways
[11:45] <ap0c> He said he wants to wipe Win8
[11:45] <Kwpolska> ap0c: he did not.
[11:46] <ap0c> in #python earlier ^
[11:46] <Kwpolska> ap0c: besides, an exception to the rule: steam games can go anywhere on the system
[11:46] <ap0c> by default they go in your /home/username/.steam folder
[11:47] <Kwpolska> ap0c: you are asked where you want to put them (hell, even on your NTFS partition).  And if not, symlinks.
[11:47] <ap0c> Waffl3x: how's that .iso download going?
[11:49] <Waffl3x> just finished
[11:49] <ap0c> alright use Yumi to create a live boot USB
[11:49] <Waffl3x> Kwpolska: I have 219 gb left
[11:49] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: where?
[11:49] <Waffl3x> on my os drive
[11:49] <ap0c> Kwpolska: http://askubuntu.com/questions/227502/where-are-steam-games-installed
[11:50] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: so you will have 119 left on the windows drive and 100 gb for the linux drive
[11:50] <Waffl3x> oh I see
[11:50] <Waffl3x> I thought you meant create 3 100 partitions
[11:50] <Waffl3x> then I read one
[11:50] <ap0c> Waffl3x: do you want to keep Windows 8 installed?
[11:50] <Kwpolska> ap0c: and?  I explicitly remember TF2 asking me where it wants to be installed.
[11:51] <Waffl3x> ap0c: I allready said I decided to install on my desktop
[11:51] <Kwpolska> ap0c: I also explicitly remember throwing it onto /media/shared, my ntfs drive
[11:51] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: want to keep windows on that computer?
[11:51] <Waffl3x> yes
[11:52] <ap0c> Kwpolska: and? this was like 5 years ago
[11:52] <Kwpolska> ap0c: one*
[11:52] <Kwpolska> ap0c: less, even
[11:52] <Waffl3x> to clarify im going to use linux mostly for programming
[11:52] <Kwpolska> theeere.
[11:52] <Waffl3x> actually
[11:52] <Waffl3x> I dont know what im going to use it for
[11:52] <Waffl3x> I dont know why im doing this
[11:52] <Waffl3x> but it sounds fun so im doing it
[11:53] <Waffl3x> anyway
[11:53] <Waffl3x> on yumi a step 4 popped up
[11:53] <Waffl3x> set a persistent file size for storing changes
[11:53] <jubo2> I have a USB stick with Kubuntu14.04.1
[11:53] <jubo2> My intention is to build and run a local network of MaidSafe nodes
[11:54] <ap0c> that basically just allows you to use part of the USB file to store files/settings etc., not necessary if you are installing the OS directly from USB
[11:54] <jubo2> Should I download something newer then Kubuntu14.04.1 ?
[11:54] <jubo2> ap0c: I know about livecd. It boots the root filesystem to RAM
[11:54] <Kwpolska> jubo2: there is nothing newer as of now
[11:55] <Kwpolska> jubo2: there will be in 9 days though
[11:55] <jubo2> Kwpolska: 'k dänks
[11:55] <jubo2> ah 14.10.0 coming ?
[11:55] <Kwpolska> jubo2: just 14.10
[11:56] <ap0c> Waffl3x: is the USB writing?
[11:56] <jubo2> They are saying in #debian-offtopic that GCC 4.8 or newer
[11:57] <jubo2> so either Debian8 ( doesn't exist yet, currently just codename "jessie" )
[11:57] <Waffl3x> its going ap0c
[11:57] <jubo2> I check
[11:57] <jubo2> How do I check my GCC version ?
[11:58] <jubo2> 'gcc -v' ?
[11:58] <ap0c> yes ^
[11:58] <Kwpolska> jubo2: try it and see™
[11:58] <jubo2> 4.8.2
[11:59] <jubo2> I saw something about 4.8.8 in the MaidSafe documentation
[11:59] <jubo2> I check.
[11:59] <Waffl3x> it just asked
[11:59] <Waffl3x> do I want to add more things now on F:
[12:00] <ap0c> nope.
[12:00] <ap0c> you're on laptop right now Waffl3x?
[12:00] <Waffl3x> yes
[12:00] <ap0c> so you are installing to desktop?
[12:00] <Waffl3x> yes
[12:00] <Waffl3x> so I plug the usb in and restart desktop?
[12:00] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: yes
[12:00] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you must tell your desktop to boot up from usb, though
[12:01] <ap0c> yeah, and bring up the boot menu while its starting
[12:01] <Waffl3x> so boot to bios
[12:01] <ap0c> no, boot menu
[12:01] <Waffl3x> hmm
[12:01] <Waffl3x> im not completely sure how to do that
[12:01] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: this all depends on your computer
[12:02] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: when you turn the computer on, you should see a screen telling you what to press.
[12:02] <jubo2> Finally found it - http://maidsafe.net/maidsafe-examples/en/index.html
[12:02] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: look for “boot device”, if you can’t find it, try entering setup
[12:03] <ap0c> What manufacturer is the desktop?
[12:03] <jubo2> It shows how to build and boot a 12 local node MaidSafe Network
[12:03] <ap0c> Waffl3x
[12:03] <Waffl3x> yes
[12:03] <jubo2> I need this so I can get to writing Hello World in C++
[12:03] <Waffl3x> asus
[12:03] <Waffl3x> oh
[12:03] <Waffl3x> the full desktop
[12:03] <jubo2> never ever touched the stuff before
[12:03] <Waffl3x> me
[12:03] <ap0c> F3 should be your boot menu, or Esc
[12:03] <ap0c> for Asus
[12:03] <ap0c> one is the BIOS the other is boot menu
[12:03] <jubo2> multiple inheritance.. sound weird..
[12:03] <Kwpolska> jubo2: seriously now?!
[12:03] <ap0c> jubo2
[12:03] <Waffl3x> del is for bios
[12:04] <Kwpolska> jubo2: you need all this magic for hello world?
[12:04] <jubo2> Kwpolska: nonono..
[12:04] <ap0c> use g++ from CLI
[12:04] <ap0c> Waffl3x: what manufacturer is the desktop
[12:04] <ap0c> Asus?
[12:04] <jubo2> Intention is to implement http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Voting and votecounting and a few other things as MaidSafe apps
[12:05] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: just look at the screen when it boots
[12:05] <jubo2> since the thing has petabytes and exabytes of disk in time it's the perfect place to store history data from the polling system
[12:05] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: aim for boot device, enter setup if there is no such option
[12:05] <ap0c> http://www.desertcrystal.com.au/bootkeys
[12:07] <jubo2> Kwpolska: Consumium / Consumerium - Enhancing Consumer Informedness plans to use a dissensus voting system with open and discardable voter ids with anonymity ( at the start at least )
[12:08] <Kwpolska> jubo2: Thank you for throwing a wall of gibberish at me.
[12:08] <Waffl3x> ive been bugging my mom for the password for the motherboard
[12:08] <Waffl3x> some idiot (my uncle) decided it was a good idea to put one on
[12:09] <Waffl3x> nevermind
[12:09] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: murder the cmos
[12:09] <Waffl3x> nothing worked
[12:09] <jubo2> Kwpolska: open, anonymous at start and discardable voter ids. Dissensus voting system as opposed to consensus voting system
[12:09] <Kwpolska> jubo2: please stop.
[12:09] <jubo2> Everything I said was making sense but whaevs I stop pinging you
[12:09] <ap0c> reset the CMOS battery jumper
[12:10] <ap0c> on the motherboard
[12:10] <jubo2> Is 14.10 LTS ?
[12:10] <Waffl3x> ap0c: I put in nothing
[12:10] <Kwpolska> jubo2: no, 14.04 is
[12:10] <Waffl3x> and it worked
[12:10] <jubo2> 'kdänks
[12:10] <Waffl3x> and again
[12:10] <Waffl3x> manufacture = me
[12:11] <Waffl3x> motherboard = asus
[12:11] <ap0c> Waffl3x: press ESC to get the boot option menu
[12:11] <ap0c> before the OS loads while the computer is initially starting up
[12:11] <Waffl3x> so since im in bios
[12:11] <Waffl3x> should I just change boot priotiyu?
[12:11] <ap0c> power down - restart - press ESC
[12:12] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: we recommend an one-off boot device change
[12:12] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: using the boot device menu (press ESC while booting up)
[12:12] <ap0c> is your linux USB in the desktop?
[12:12] <Waffl3x> yes
[12:12] <ap0c> press ESC while booting up to load the boot menu and select the removable media
[12:13] <ap0c> name can vary depending on flash drive manufacturer
[12:13] <Waffl3x> shit
[12:13] <Waffl3x> computer just died
[12:13] <Waffl3x> I think its fine
[12:13] <Waffl3x> but idk
[12:14] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you should stop being scared of things
[12:14] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: tinkering and experimenting is 99% of IT
[12:14] <Waffl3x> no its doing the thing
[12:14] <Waffl3x> its happened before
[12:14] <ap0c> 'doing the thing'
[12:14] <Waffl3x> nvm
[12:14] <willianruiz> hola
[12:15] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: let me guess, is your PSU dead?
[12:15] <jubo2> This is even realer then the real thing - https://github.com/maidsafe/MaidSafe/wiki - The scots are going to save the World from computing, storage and transmission done badly
[12:15] <Waffl3x> I didnt get in boot menu though
[12:15] <ap0c> try again
[12:16] <ap0c> don't press and hold the key, press it repeatedly (speed doesn't really matter here)
[12:16] <Waffl3x> Kwpolska: a long time ago it did this thing where it got stuck booting, one of the red lights on the motherboard got stuck on too, and it stayed that way for hours
[12:17] <Waffl3x> then at some point after turning it off and on a bunch of times it fixed itself
[12:17] <Waffl3x> like we couldnt get in bios or anything
[12:17] <Waffl3x> resetting bios didnt help
[12:17] <ap0c> you could reinstall bios
[12:17] <Kwpolska> why
[12:18] <Kwpolska> ap0c: this is dangerous and not really needed in most cases
[12:18] <Waffl3x> in any case
[12:18] <Waffl3x> it didnt do it now
[12:18] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: your PSU may be dead, or you may have other issues.
[12:18] <ap0c> yeah sorry I didn't mean to say that , I was thinking of vBIOS
[12:19] <ap0c> Waffl3x:  what happened when you booted up and pressed ESC?  did you try multiple times?  give it a few shots
[12:20] <Waffl3x> okay
[12:20] <Waffl3x> im in boot manager
[12:20] <ap0c> select the removable media
[12:20] <Waffl3x> Kwpolska: it happened a long time ago and hasn't happened since
[12:20] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you *may* need to go into hard drives → your USB drive, though this — again — depends on the specific computer you’re using
[12:21] <Waffl3x> I fucked up
[12:21] <Waffl3x> I went to advanced settings
[12:21] <ap0c> restart try again
[12:26] <Waffl3x> okay
[12:26] <Waffl3x> im in boot manager
[12:27] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: find your way to booting from the usb
[12:27] <Waffl3x> what now
[12:27] <Waffl3x> uh
[12:27] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: boot from usb
[12:27] <Waffl3x> theres like no options here
[12:27] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: what is there?
[12:27] <Waffl3x> just windows 7
[12:28] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you got into Windows boot manager, and not into boot device choice.
[12:28] <Waffl3x> well fuck
[12:28] <Waffl3x> exp is a lie then
[12:28] <Waffl3x> esc*
[12:28] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: wah, just do it in bios
[12:28] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: also, learn how to tinker and experiment
[12:29] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: hand-holding won’t get you too far
[12:29] <Waffl3x> boot menu is in bios
[12:29] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: if you can’t get into the actual thing, do it in bios
[12:30] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: the thing is part of bios, but usually not accessed via “enter setup”
[12:30] <Waffl3x> it is in the bios
[12:30] <ap0c> launch your USB from there
[12:30] <Waffl3x> there is 2 usb selections
[12:30] <Waffl3x> they are identical except one has UEFI: on the front
[12:30] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: don’t do uefi
[12:31] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you will be better off if you stay with the tried-and-true BIOS and ignore UEFI altogether
[12:31] <Waffl3x> whats the difference
[12:31] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: do yourself a favor and ignore UEFI altogether
[12:32] <Waffl3x> I dont understand what the difference is
[12:32] <Waffl3x> but ill take your word on it
[12:32] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: UEFI is only going to get you problems
[12:32] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: so kindly ignore its existence
[12:32] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: and hate your manufacturer for blessing your device with it
[12:33] <Waffl3x> okay I have 2 options now
[12:33] <Waffl3x> continue to boot from first hd
[12:33] <ap0c> no
[12:33] <Waffl3x> and linus distributions
[12:33] <Kwpolska> linux*
[12:33] <ap0c> linux distributions...
[12:33] <Waffl3x> I assume linux distributions
[12:33] <ap0c> ofc
[12:33] <Kwpolska> we aren’t distributing Linus Torvalds the human around, are we now?
[12:33] <ap0c> first hd will boot your primary HDD that starts with your main OS (normal startup)
[12:33] <jubo2> Ait'
[12:34] <Waffl3x> okay so
[12:34] <Waffl3x> im in the installer
[12:34] <ap0c> haha Kwpolska I thought the same
[12:34] <Waffl3x> anything I need to do?
[12:34] <jubo2> found the hard drive and the USB thingy with Kubuntu14.04.1
[12:34] <Waffl3x> or can I just start kubuntu
[12:34] <ap0c> start Kubuntu
[12:34] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: start kubuntu
[12:34] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: then run the installer on the desktop and follow its instructions which are written in English in a way that you will understand them
[12:35] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: As you may have already noticed, I strongly promote that you do things on your own, without hand-holding, in order to learn how things work.
[12:35] <Waffl3x> yes I know
[12:36] <Waffl3x> is the third party software anygood?
[12:36] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: what do you mean by that?
[12:36] <ap0c> yes it's flash and stuff
[12:36] <Kwpolska> ah, this install option.
[12:36] <jubo2> loading Kubuntu .. then install .. then update .. then build MaidSafe local network
[12:36] <ap0c> Kwpolska there is some stuff like Adobe Flash etc. that is considered third party
[12:36] <Kwpolska> ap0c: I forgot about this.
[12:37] <Kwpolska> ap0c: too much distros that are (a) get them yourself (b) we baked that in for you
[12:37] <ap0c> as time goes on you would figure they include install options for basic programs mostly everyone uses that are free anyways
[12:38] <Kwpolska> ap0c: like?
[12:38] <ap0c> are we talking about the installer including an option for third party software?
[12:39] <ap0c> because one of the first things a lot of people do is install flash when they have a distro that doesn't have it, if they browse the web a lot
[12:39] <Waffl3x> I know after you told me to tinker
[12:40] <Waffl3x> but I have no idea how to to this part
[12:40] <Waffl3x> it all looks wrong
[12:40] <Waffl3x> the disk setup
[12:40] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: take a screenshot and upload it to imgur
[12:40] <ap0c> ye ^
[12:40] <ap0c> good ol' imgur
[12:40] <Waffl3x> uhm
[12:41] <Waffl3x> how?
[12:41] <Waffl3x> if im installing it
[12:41] <jubo2> Now installing Kubuntu14 :D :D
[12:41] <ap0c> http://docs.kubuntu.org/installation.html#disk-setup
[12:41] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: um, press printscreen?
[12:41] <ap0c> Waffl3x: documentation on installing kubuntu
[12:41] <ap0c> to upload to imgur press print screen and then save the file and upload it on imgur.com
[12:41] <Waffl3x> Kwpolska: but after I press print screen how do I get it out of the computer
[12:41] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: you have internet access on the computer, don’t you?
[12:41] <Waffl3x> yeah but
[12:42] <Waffl3x> how do I get out of the installing part
[12:42] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: press printscreen
[12:42] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: this should bring up the usual screenshot app
[12:42] <Waffl3x> it did not
[12:42] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: also, alt+tab is also a things over here on linux
[12:43] <Waffl3x> I can alt tab
[12:43] <Waffl3x> but theres nothing to alt tab to
[12:43] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: try print screen now?
[12:43] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: there is no show desktop at the end?
[12:43] <Waffl3x> n
[12:43] <Waffl3x> no
[12:43] <Waffl3x> just the installation screen
[12:43] <ap0c> Waffl3x: you are pressing the button above Insert / right of F12 , right?
[12:43] <Kwpolska> why must there be so many things you can configure in kde
[12:44] <Waffl3x> my keyboard is weird
[12:44] <Waffl3x> insert is at the top
[12:44] <Waffl3x> beside f12 is scroll lock
[12:44] <Waffl3x> :)
[12:45] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: quit the installer, open a browser, press printscreen, you’ll figure the rest out
[12:45] <ap0c> Waffl3x: http://docs.kubuntu.org/installation.html#disk-setup official kubuntu documentation on installation
[12:45] <Waffl3x> should I just check manual?
[12:45] <ap0c> yeah
[12:46] <ap0c> I did mine manually
[12:46] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: which manual?
[12:46] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: manual paritioning?
[12:46] <Waffl3x> yes
[12:46] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: then do.
[12:46] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: just make sure it doesn’t format things it shouldn’t format.
[12:46] <Waffl3x> I have no idea what to do on this page
[12:47] <Waffl3x> why is there 2 things per harddrive?
[12:47] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: what two things?
[12:48] <Waffl3x> there is /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1
[12:48] <Waffl3x> on the ones with 1 it shows type ntfs
[12:48] <Waffl3x> and size and used
[12:48] <Waffl3x> I dont understand what /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are
[12:48] <ap0c> /dev/sda is your primary HDD
[12:49] <Waffl3x> what is /dev/sda1 then
[12:49] <Waffl3x> OH
[12:49] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: /dev/sdX → entire drive
[12:49] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: /dev/sdX1 → the first partition on the drive
[12:49] <Waffl3x> yeah I got it
[12:50] <Waffl3x> so I select /dev/sda and click new partition table?
[12:50] <ap0c> you will need free space first
[12:50] <Waffl3x> it says...
[12:51] <Waffl3x> you have selected an entire device to partition if you procede with creating a new ppartition table on the device then all current partitions will be removed
[12:51] <Kwpolska> no do not
[12:51] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: want to keep windows?
[12:52] <Waffl3x> im just saying what it says
[12:52] <Waffl3x> I know what it means
[12:52] <Kwpolska> Waffl3x: answer no to the message.
[12:52] <Waffl3x> I dont know what to click to make a new partition without killing that one
[12:52] <ap0c> resize the current partition
[12:53] <Waffl3x> oh
[12:53] <Waffl3x> OHH
[12:53] <Waffl3x> I feel dumb
[12:53] <Waffl3x> im assuming I set use as to ntfs?
[12:54] <ap0c> for your new partitions now
[12:54] <ap0c> no*
[12:55] <ap0c> for linux you want ext4 for your /home partition and your root partition, and swap
[12:55] <Waffl3x> what am I setting it to then?
[12:55] <Waffl3x> oh
[12:55] <Waffl3x> sorry
[12:55] <Waffl3x> so Kwpolska said to make 1 partition of 100 gb, what do you say?
[12:56] <ap0c> make a 25-30GB ext4 partition with the mount point as / , 60GB ext4 with mount point as /home, and the rest as linux swap
[12:57] <ap0c> well linux swap should be like 110% of your RAM really, not a certain size
[12:58] <Waffl3x> do I really need to do a swap partition?
[12:58] <Waffl3x> I have 16 gb of ram
[12:59] <Waffl3x> and format the partition right?
[12:59] <ap0c> yeah
[13:00] <ap0c> don't format your NTFS partition
[13:00] <Waffl3x> I know that
[13:00] <Waffl3x> I dont understand whats happening
[13:01] <Waffl3x> I click change and do what exactly?
[13:01] <Waffl3x> its not letting me change the "new partition size"
[13:01] <ap0c> did you set up your partitions?
[13:01] <Waffl3x> no
[13:01] <Waffl3x> Im trying to do that
[13:04] <Waffl3x> thanks for the help and all
[13:04] <Waffl3x> but I have to go to school
[13:04] <Waffl3x> can we finish this later?
[13:04] <ap0c> yea ^ just keep experimenting
[13:04] <ap0c> google is your friend
[13:05] <Waffl3x> yep
[13:05] <Waffl3x> thanks for the help
[13:45] <skrite> hey all. It used to be that i could search for a string of text in a directory by doing   grep "string" *  However, now that just returns a list of folders saying folder_name Is a directory. How do i grep now?
[13:45] <skrite> change seemed to come with 14.04
[13:47] <rberg> use grep -R, although I doubt grep has changed recently
[13:47] <alvin> Yes, your example should just work as expected
[13:48] <skrite> ok
[13:48] <rberg> or did somehow your files become directories?
[13:49] <Wil27> hello I help with kubuntu, sorry I don't speak english my problem is than I was used ubuntu for three years now format my computer and install kubuntu
[13:49] <Wil27> but no work compiz
[13:49] <Wil27> and my monitor this blocked
[13:49] <skrite> rberg: no, directories have not changed, really. Just a folder full of python files with a couple of directories in there.
[13:50] <rberg> sounds like grep is not finding any matches and also warning that its hitting directories and not recursing.
[13:51] <hateball> Wil27: What is your native language? There might be a channel for it if that is easier for you
[13:51] <Wil27> I speak spanish
[13:51] <hateball> !es | Wil27
[13:52] <Wil27> ok gracias
[15:55] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[16:44] <Nexia> Hi, my VPN won't just connect under Kubuntu after working fine for the first 1-2 days after I installed Kubuntu recently. I faced this issue before when I had ubuntu+ KDE, and I remember it working out of no where when I booted back into Kubuntu some *days* later.
[16:44] <Nexia> I've tried playing around with the connection's settings to no avail.
[17:04] <BluesKaj> Nexia, openvpn?
[17:40] <apb1963> I want to be able to right click on a file - in the terminal - and have the appropriate application execute it.. so if I right click on a sound file it should play, w/out first having to open the file manager and then selecting it....
[17:41] <apb1963> Is there a way to accomplish this goal in kubuntu 14.04 ?
[17:45] <lordievader> apb1963: By typing on the keyboard that can be accomplished...
[17:47] <apb1963> lordievader: typing, is not right-clicking.
[17:48] <lordievader> It's a terminal... what do you expect...
[17:48] <apb1963> I already explained what I expect.
[17:53] <genii> apb1963: The short answer to your question is "no".
[17:56] <apb1963> Well, that's interesting because I can already right-click and get a menu, so that part is obviously done.  I know that the system is able to handle file associations, so that part is done too.... so I'm finding it hard to believe that there's no way to add some kind of launcher to the right click menu.
[17:56] <lordievader> apb1963: How are you going to distinguish text from other text?
[17:56] <apb1963> huh?
[17:57] <lordievader> Terminal is text...
[17:57] <apb1963> Yes?
[17:58] <lordievader> apb1963: So how are you going to distinguish text from text?
[17:58] <apb1963> The same way it's done everywhere else?  By parsing it.
[17:58] <lordievader> And then search the entire file system to see if it is a file?
[17:59] <lordievader> So in short, not going to happen.
[17:59] <apb1963> Hunh?  No idea what yo're talking about.  What's to search?  It IS a file.
[18:00] <apb1963> When I right click on a file it offers me a variety of choices, including to launch a file manager.  So, add one more choice "open file", with associated application.
[18:00] <apb1963> Based on extension... such as .txt .wav, etc.
[18:01] <apb1963> Or "Open with..."
[18:02] <rberg> dang I remember playing with a new-ish terminal emulator that could do that but I cant remember its name
[18:02] <lordievader> apb1963: Could you show a screenshot of that?
[18:03] <apb1963> Just right click
[18:04] <apb1963> Ah, perhaps we have a miscommunication... I'm in Konsole
[18:04] <lordievader> apb1963: I did, I don't see it.
[18:04] <apb1963> in Konsole?
[18:05] <lordievader> apb1963: Jup.
[18:05] <apb1963> Hmm.... works for me
[18:05] <lordievader> apb1963: That's why I'd like to see a screenshot.
[18:05] <apb1963> In that I get a menu
[18:05] <apb1963> Oddly, I can't take screenshots when that menu is active.  Screenshots work otherwise... just not when the right-click menu is active
[18:06] <lordievader> Sure I get a menu, but that menu has nothing to do with any of the files from the output of, say, ls. Just with the pwd.
[18:06] <rberg> It was Terminology the enlightenment terminal emulator that could open files with a click
[18:07] <rberg> but I found it too buggy to use all the time and E in kde ick..
[18:07] <lordievader> Fancy though.
[18:08] <lordievader> But I like the fact that in a terminal one doesn't need the mouse :)
[18:08] <apb1963> I'm not saying it does have anything to do with the files... that's essentially the feature I'm looking for.
[18:09] <rberg> yeah I meant it opens them with the appropriate program..
[18:14] <apb1963> i'm not sure what the big deal is...  you were concerned about searching and distinguishing "text from other text"...  You take the text and you compare it to the files in $CWD...  or if it has a path, you use that path...  simple.  Why the fuss?
[18:15] <apb1963> I'm not sure even that is needed... The application itself would probably figure that out.  You just need to pass it an argument... if it's not a file, the app doesn't open it.
[18:16] <apb1963> Ends in .txt?  Open a text editor.  Ends in .flubber?  Open a flubber app. that reads flubber files and pass it the argument.
[18:16] <apb1963> (I don't know if there's such a thing as flubber.)
[18:19] <lordievader> Because that is what it is. How do you know that the output of the last command, or a previous command for that matter, is a file listing.
[18:20] <lordievader> How do you know it is of the current cwd?
[18:20] <rberg> I guess if you want to select text and open it you could script something with xclipboard and xdg-open
[18:22] <apb1963> As I said, if it has a path, you pass the path.  if I type "vi asdfljadsfj" it will try to open that file.  Can't open it?  That's vi's problem to deal with.  Same for VLC, etc.  You simply associate the extension with an application and call the app and pass it the argument.  It's no different than in the GUI.
[18:23] <lordievader> Just that Konsole has no idea, it just passes commands to bash or whatever shell you use.
[18:23] <apb1963> Konsole is a type of GUI itself.
[18:23] <apb1963> and that's all it should need to do.
[18:24] <apb1963> Except that instead of bash, it differentiates based on file extension.
[18:24] <lordievader> I'll just back down, this ain't going anywhere.
[18:26] <apb1963> you're saying Konsole has a one track algorhthm... and ok, maybe it needs to be enhanced to handle what I'm asking for.  So OK, that's what's missing to get the job done.
[18:27] <rberg> so playing aroung a bit I got this, select a file on konsole then run 'xdg-open $(xsel)' and it opens the file with its associated program.. not how to run that automatically
[18:27] <rberg> /not/now/
[18:30] <apb1963> Maybe a widget... dunno
[18:30] <apb1963> well, I have to go... thanks for the thoughts :)  Let me know if anyone figures it out .  Thanks!
[18:31] <rberg> I would make a hotkey
[18:31] <rberg> for that command
[18:33] <rberg> I set ctrl-atl-o to be that command and it totally works
[18:53] <TBotNik> All, Have aptitude problem, part of a thread at: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66222-Networking/page3! Could really use help on this.  Would like to finally recover this laptop and be using it today!
[19:10] <cornfeedhobo> does anyone know where i might find where xorg settings are being saved? there doesnt seem to be a /etc/X11/xorg.conf that i am used to.....
[19:11] <genii> !xorgconf | cornfeedhobo
[19:13] <cornfeedhobo> thx
[19:14] <genii> cornfeedhobo: If you make one it still get used. But if you do a dist-upgrade it gets moved to a file like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.MMDDYYYY
[19:14] <genii> ( and then you have to cp it back to xorg.conf again )
[19:15] <cornfeedhobo> yeah, i am just trying to see how kubuntu handles palm detection on trackpads, i dont see where that is being set.
[19:16] <cornfeedhobo> so, not looking to create the xorg as much as learn from what is being set. looking in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ now
[19:17] <genii> cornfeedhobo: Here it is in system Settings... Hardware...Input Devices.... Touchpad ( bottom left)  ... 4th folder over called Sensitivity
[19:18] <TBotNik> Repeating: All, Have aptitude problem, part of a thread at: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66222-Networking/page3! Could really use help on this.  Would like to finally recover this laptop and be using it today!
[19:19] <cornfeedhobo> genii: indeed, but, even after setting it, there doesnt seem to be a change
[19:21] <TBotNik> all: Does anyone know where a copy of the liveDVD with "REPAIR" options exists for download and run/install?  Default liveDVD does not have this option and has crashed my laptop, killing aptitude so always getting "packages held" error, but no packages are held!
[19:21] <cornfeedhobo> genii: got it sorted now. thanks again for the help :)
[19:21] <genii> cornfeedhobo: Does the result of: xinput       list a touchpad?
[19:21] <cornfeedhobo> yea
[19:22] <genii> cornfeedhobo: Ah, good to hear.
[19:22] <cornfeedhobo> genii: i didnt want to burden anyone too much. i am using the kubuntu to compare another distro a friend is running.
[19:23] <genii> TBotNik: I read the entire thread there and your system has so many different issues wrong with it that frankly it's not worth trying to sort it out by IRC support.
[19:27] <TBotNik> genii: Well the install of 14.04 should have cleared all issues, but instead left aptitude somehow corrupted and all this on a brand new 1.5TB drive, so really needing some assist to get me over the hump here.  This laptop has been working on 12.04 since it's release and only went down when "disk full" errors knocked it out.  That's why it got the 1.5TB HD.  Was upgrade from 320GB HD!
[19:31] <TBotNik> genii: Is there a way to use dpkg to re-install aptitude live online?
[19:48] <genii> TBotNik: I would recommend instead to switch to using apt-get instead of using synaptic. Also when you do a do-release-upgrade to remove all PPAs, do a ppa-purge and revert the system to stock repositories. Additionally not to use Webmin since it was discontinued from Debian and Ubuntu because it screws systems up. Also waiting for network to come up is normal if /etc/network/interfaces has entries like:  iface eth0 inet dhcp     in there and
[19:48] <genii> managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[19:49] <genii> There are so many layered issues with your system that it is like trying to unwrap an onion.
[19:54] <TBotNik> genii: I only used synaptic to see what packages are "HELD", which none are.  I totally run "apt-get" out of scripts, since I have over 5,000 apps to load above the "core".  Purging repositories would be nice, but then would have to add lines back in for the other frameworks and apps that I have to load.  I load Dropbox and Webmin as the last 2 items, because like you said they can mess things up sometimes, but have to have WebMin, due to support
[19:54] <TBotNik> requirements contractually bound by customers to support.
[19:55] <TBotNik> genii: Last time I checked, since I deleted Network Manager completely, there were no "managed" statements anywhere in the /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file, since that file should not exist anywhere on my system, being Network Manager free.
[20:00] <genii> TBotNik: As for your Centrino issue, firmware is here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-1000-ucode-<IP_ADDRESS>.tgz    just needs to be untarred to /lib/firmware.
[20:05] <TBotNik> genii: No the iwlwifi driver for ucode6, the required driver does not exist in that file.  That file does not in any way, shape or sort support the Centrino N100 chipset and I'm not going into that one again cause lying gets me totally upset and so will not revisit that total BS about having a fix for that issue.  It has never never never never never never been fixed!
[20:06] <genii> TBotNik: Later this week when I have time, I will reply in detail on the forum page.
[20:07] <TBotNik> K, if an explaination is needed then it is not fixed, must run straight "out-of-the-box"!
[22:00] <TheFakeazneD525> https://www.kde.org/fundraisers/yearend2014/
[22:31] <ap0c> Waffl3x: You're still here?  Or did you just leave the client running