[12:14] <_defcon> lol
[12:14] <Ace2016> _defcon: it is organised, its in kcontrol, can't get more organised than that
[12:15] <RadiantFire> kcontrol is a failure, this is true
[12:15] <RadiantFire> but I think system-settings is going upstream for kde 4
[12:15] <Ace2016> _defcon: you'll be shocked to find its actually in the mouse section, yea who would have guessed that
[12:15] <Ace2016>  /sarcasm :P
[12:15] <_defcon> Ace2016, lol
[12:15] <fdoving> _defcon: kmenu -> system settings -> mouse -> select what you want.
[12:15] <_defcon> id think it would be in filemanager settings
[12:15] <_defcon> thankyou
[12:16] <_defcon> fdoving, it is not in mouse settings
[12:16] <_defcon> im here
[12:17] <_defcon> open folders with 1 click etc
[12:17] <fdoving> _defcon: kmenu -> system settings -> keyboard & mouse ?
[12:17] <RadiantFire> yes
[12:17] <_defcon> not there
[12:17] <fdoving> then mouse.
[12:17] <RadiantFire> fdoving: yes it is
[12:17] <Ace2016> _defcon: it is there
[12:17] <RadiantFire> fdoving: keyboard & mouse -> mouse
[12:17] <_defcon> i'll look again if not i'll post a screen
[12:17] <RadiantFire> fdoving: there is a radio button to select
[12:18] <_defcon> thankyou
[12:18] <_defcon> not quite used to the new iface yet
[12:19] <_defcon> any good ways to optimize performance, start up apps etc
[12:20] <Ace2016> _defcon: initng/nvidia drivers/stop services you don't need
[12:20] <_defcon> ok
[12:23] <Ace2016> you could also make a custom kernel with all the modules that you use compiled into it, and then you can use a smaller initrd file which means the system starts a tiny bit faster, but if you add bootsplash and gfxgrub then it will transition smoother and with a smaller delay between selecting the kernel in grub and the splash showing
[12:24] <_defcon> cool
[12:24] <_defcon> any good apps to run possible dangerous programs in a safe container?
[12:25] <_defcon> or monitor apps activity
[12:25] <_defcon> etc
[12:25] <Ace2016> _defcon: what kind of dangerous programs?
[12:25] <Ace2016> fakeroot?
[12:25] <_defcon> well i have this friend I dont trust completely, he programs and makes things, I just want to make sure he isnt screwing me
[12:25] <_defcon> or already hacked me
[12:25] <_defcon> lol
[12:26] <Ace2016> sandbox?
[12:26] <_defcon> i'll check those out
[12:26] <_defcon> thankyou
[12:27] <hudsy> i cant run mercury!!
[12:27] <hudsy> HELP PLZ
[12:27] <david2_> why do you need to run mercury?
[12:28] <Ace2016> mercury?
[12:28] <hudsy> msn
[12:28] <Ace2016> hudsy: well have you installed java?
[12:28] <Ace2016> hudsy: what version are you using now?
[12:29] <hudsy> im trying to install it
[12:29] <Ace2016> hudsy: your trying to install java? from the repos right?
[12:29] <hudsy> yea
[12:30] <_defcon> Ace2016, any way to run nmap/pcap utilities under a fake root shell
[12:30] <_defcon> or protected service
[12:30] <Ace2016> no idea
[12:30] <_defcon> id like to run some apps in a protected bash root shell
[12:30] <Ace2016> bye all
[12:31] <nuu> _defcon: chroot is what you're looking for
[12:31] <_defcon> ok
[12:31] <JiminyJ> hello
[12:31] <_defcon> nuu thankyou
[12:31] <JiminyJ> umm
[12:31] <JiminyJ> im trying to install kubuntu
[12:31] <JiminyJ> but i cant =\
[12:32] <JiminyJ> got to stage 5 but it says my partition table is empty
[12:32] <JiminyJ> and i cant create a new 1
[12:32] <_defcon> nuu I can run files with chroot that are protected?
[12:32] <nuu> chroot merely creates a "jail", or a sandbox to execute your app
[12:32] <_defcon> ok
[12:33] <_defcon> thats good
[12:33] <JiminyJ> nuu?
[12:33] <nuu> of course that "jail" needs a (limited, obviously) /-like tree of directories
[12:33] <nuu> i think there are some tutorials out there on how to use it
[12:33] <nuu> !chroot
[12:33] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:33] <JiminyJ> nuu? :|
[12:33] <nuu> yes ?
[12:33] <JiminyJ> im trying to install kubuntu
[12:34] <JiminyJ> but on the 5th stage it says the partition table is empty
[12:34] <JiminyJ> and it fails to create a new 1
[12:34] <nuu> 5th stage being what ? setting up of the partitions on the disk ?
[12:34] <JiminyJ> yes
[12:35] <nuu> and fails how ?
[12:35] <nuu> saying what ?
[12:35] <JiminyJ> that it failed
[12:35] <JiminyJ> ._.
[12:35] <nuu> helpful indeed ;)
[12:35] <JiminyJ> It is not possible to create a new partition table
[12:36] <JiminyJ> it says "It is not possible to create a new partition table"
[12:38] <JiminyJ> umm nuu?
[12:39] <nuu> JiminyJ: sorry, no idea
[12:39] <JiminyJ> :\
[12:39] <JiminyJ> i mean
[12:40] <JiminyJ> in the /root/ too
[12:40] <JiminyJ> shows nothing
[12:40] <JiminyJ> no drives, nothing
[12:40] <JiminyJ> i'm installing it on a VM btw
[12:40] <nuu> what virtualization softwar ?
[12:41] <JiminyJ> VirtualBox
[12:41] <nuu> chances are the virtual driver virtualbox uses to emulate a disk isnt recognized by the installer
[12:41] <nuu> i'd google for it
[12:41] <nuu> or try with a different virtualization program
[12:41] <TomasuAway> I'm having some trouble mounting an nfs share on a clean kubuntu install. It was working fine before I wiped my gentoo and installed kubuntu.
[12:42] <TomasuAway> mount just hangs.
[12:42] <nuu> anyway, almost 1am and i've got work tomorrow
[12:42] <timmay> omg why are my screen savers not working!!
[12:42] <nuu> good night
[12:42] <adaptr> zomg TIMMEH!
[12:42] <timmay> Himalaahhh TIMMAY!
[12:43] <adaptr> c'mon everybody, let's beat up the cripple
[12:43] <david2_> retard
[12:43] <adaptr> no, he's a cripple, not a retard
[12:44] <david2_> I think there was a episode of south park disputing that fact
[12:45] <adaptr> oh, okay - it's not like I;ve seen them all...
[12:45] <david2_> ANd timmay didnt care one way or the other
[12:46] <timmay> what does this have to do with my srceen saver?
[12:46] <david2_> Absolutely nothing
[12:47] <david2_> to the cripple lol
[12:48] <TomasuAway> aah. Cool. fixed my problem. seems not having nfs-common makes mount hang instead of error out...
[12:49] <zblach> is there an application in which I can test my microphone?
[12:49] <zblach> !microphone
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <alxj> ii made a new post with my problem: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3083553.0
[12:50] <TomasuAway> "Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?"  :(
[12:52] <zblach> TomasuAway: killall amarokapp
[12:52] <luckyone> does anyone know how to install eclipse with out it installing gij and those packages?
[12:52] <TomasuAway> yeah, It happens that the mysql server it was configured to use isnt up. so it just hangs..
[12:52] <TomasuAway> just commented out the mysql stuff in the config and amarok sarted :)
[12:53] <TomasuAway> zblach: thanks though :)
[12:54] <TomasuAway> that mp3 stuff is annoying though :(
[12:54] <zblach> *nods*
[12:54] <zblach> there's a repo which provides amarok with mp3 support
[12:54] <zblach> can't remember which one tho'
[12:56] <crimsun> luckyone: just install a jre (v1.5 or v1.6 - sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre, respectively, both in multiverse), then grab the eclipse runtime binary from an eclipse.org mirror and extract it into /usr/local
[12:56] <crimsun> I run 3.3RC1 with CDT 4.0M7 in that manner.
[12:56] <TomasuAway> zblach: well, I got asked to install the mp3 packages, so I assume it'll work once libxine1-ffmpeg is installed
[12:57] <TomasuAway> adept is sure impressive though.
[01:00] <torja> hola
[01:02] <hitmanWilly> howdy there, fellow carbon-based lifeforms
[01:02] <khirr> how can i do a shortcut for a utorrent.exe?
[01:02] <khirr> i have wine installed, and the progrm run okay, but i need a shortcut
[01:02] <hitmanWilly> khirr: where do you want it? desktop
[01:02] <khirr> yes
[01:02] <khirr> desktop
[01:03] <hitmanWilly> khirr: right click the desktop, new, link to application
[01:03] <Tobsan> my sound does not work :(
[01:03] <Tobsan> where can i update/change drivers
[01:03] <khirr> dibe
[01:03] <khirr> done
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> khirr: in the path box input wine, then in arguments, put in the path to utorrent
[01:05] <hitmanWilly> Tobsan: what model card?
[01:05] <khirr> command?
[01:06] <hitmanWilly> khirr: what you usually run it with minus the wine, ie wine <put this in the arguments box>
[01:06] <khirr> uhmm, comment box?
[01:06] <khirr> it's in spanish
[01:07] <hitmanWilly> khirr: the arguments box should be the one on the bottom
[01:07] <hitmanWilly> khirr: the path box is number 3 down
[01:08] <hitmanWilly> khirr: the first one is just what you want to name the link
[01:08] <khirr> 3 donwn
[01:08] <khirr> now?
[01:08] <khirr> :O
[01:08] <khirr> thisl oad....thank u
[01:08] <gundam_rx78nt1> has anybody done a kubuntu linux-ha cluster? I would like to know where to start... google only talks about old versions with the 2.4 kernel.
[01:09] <hitmanWilly> ok :) figured i was confusing you there for a minute
[01:10] <hitmanWilly> gundam_rx78nt1: not really familiar with that, but it should be pretty close
[01:11] <hitmanWilly> gundam_rx78nt1: or, search for how-to with debian, that should be REALLY close
[01:12] <gundam_rx78nt1> well, I have a project assigned in school that I would like to do, it's to create a fail-over cluster running mySQL. It is to show that the mySQL servcie will still be available if one of the nodes in the cluster has gone down.
[01:13] <khirr> The FUSE technology used by ntfs-3g consists of two major parts: a library and a Linux kernel driver. The message means that you either have the faulty FUSE 2.6.2 release, or the library (FUSE package) is safe but the kernel driver is not. When you install or upgrade the FUSE package then it installs only the library, not the kernel driver. In other words, ntfs-3g and FUSE is safe but not your kernel.
[01:13] <khirr> what does it mean?
[01:13] <hitmanWilly> gundam_rx78nt1: sorry, mysql stuff is a little over my head, not a whole lotta experience
[01:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok, thanks hitmanWilly.
[01:13] <hitmanWilly> khirr: what does what mean?
[01:14] <khirr> i mount ntfs-3g partition 4 hours ago..but now...i had to it again
[01:14] <khirr> repeat it...i dunno why
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> khirr: did you reboot?
[01:14] <khirr> maybe...i think yes
[01:15] <khirr> how can i do for that mount automatilly
[01:15] <hitmanWilly> khirr: you need to add it to /etc/fstab
[01:15] <hitmanWilly> !fstab | khirr
[01:15] <ubotu> khirr: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:15] <khirr> how?
[01:15] <khirr> i'm not good in englsih
[01:15] <tin> or use the Disks & Filesystems section in System Settings
[01:15] <tin> under the Advanced tab
[01:16] <purpleposeidon> what's the command to get a list of symbols for a .so?
[01:16] <khirr> uhmmm
[01:16] <hitmanWilly> khirr: see the link from ubotu, or try in #kubuntu-es, the speak spanish
[01:16] <hitmanWilly> *they
[01:16] <khirr> i've tried, but...is so hard can talk
[01:17] <khirr> no body answer
[01:17] <hitmanWilly> :)
[01:17] <hitmanWilly> yeah, figured that...
[01:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> khirr, cual es el problema?
[01:18] <hitmanWilly> khirr: anyway, take a look at the file with a text editor, its pretty easy to figure out...
[01:18] <khirr> que hace un momento cuando reinicie se desmonto mi unidad con ntfs-3g
[01:18] <hitmanWilly> khirr: if you've ever mounted anything from the cmd line at least
[01:18] <khirr> its my first time
[01:19] <VSpike> khirr: you will need a line like this in /etc/fstab -- /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_GB.UTF-8 0 1
[01:19] <jordi_> Hello, how do I do to download the source of a program (e.g. cat)
[01:19] <cvill64-laptop> has anybody tried to install i386 version on an amd64 X2 and have it fail a lot ?
[01:20] <khirr> gundam_rx78nt1 como hago eso
[01:20] <VSpike> khirr: first part is what you want to mount, second part is where you want to mount it to
[01:20] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: are you using the -i386 or -generic kernel?
[01:21] <cvill64-laptop> w/e is d/led with the kubuntu-desktop-i386 iso
[01:21] <khirr> gundam_rx78nt1 tengo esto /dev/hda6 /media/hda6 ntfs umask=0,nls=utf8,ro 0 0   como hago par qu cargue con ntfs-3g
[01:21] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: try the 686 version...ran it on my athalon for quite a while with no problems
[01:22] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: it installs the -generic kernel by default, its the one that links on the main page
[01:22] <timmay> aawww man my windows key isn't working now
[01:23] <cvill64-laptop> kubuntu has a i686 version?
[01:23] <khirr> gundam_rx78nt1 reiniciare para probar
[01:24] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: it has a generic pc version, which is set up for 586/686 processors as well as athalons running in 32 bit mode
[01:24] <Minataku> Oooh, the RX-78NT-1... that's one of my favorites
[01:24] <cvill64-laptop> hmmm.... /me searches for this i686 iso
[01:24] <VSpike> khirr: cambialo a esto -- /dev/hda6 /media/hda6 ntfs-3g defaults, locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: just follow the link off the main page, it'll take you to it
[01:25] <xGrantx> where does avant-window-navigator install to?
[01:26] <cvill64-laptop> am I blind ... I'm only seeing amd64 and i386 isos linked to on the download page at kubuntu.org
[01:26] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: ok, never mind, been a while since i downloaded it, you've got the x86 version, right?
[01:27] <cvill64-laptop> yes, the x86 is i386 iso
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> used to be a few more versions...
[01:27] <cvill64-laptop> I thought so too, but guess not
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: the i386 version does install the generic kernel by default, so it should work...
[01:28] <cvill64-laptop> should be the key factor :P
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> yeah...
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: what does it do, exactly?
[01:29] <cvill64-laptop> its doing something weird, and I can't tell if its failing by trying to install grub to a /boot or during the copy process... hitmanWilly that'd be a great question if the installer actually errored out, I'd love to send debug code
[01:29] <cvill64-laptop> I've of course checked the media, checked my hard drives
[01:29] <cvill64-laptop> the amd64 installed fine
[01:29] <cvill64-laptop> and I'm just doing /boot, /, /home, swap
[01:29] <cvill64-laptop> so nothing complicated
[01:30] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: hmmm, you may try the alternate cd
[01:30] <cvill64-laptop> I don't see anything in the alternate cd desciption that would help sadly
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: its a more traditional linux installer with a few more options
[01:31] <cvill64-laptop> automatic deployment, need less ram, etc if I remember correctly
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: plus it runs in text mode so you can see any errors it spits
[01:32] <cvill64-laptop> suprised the devs didn't add a crash handler for the installer
[01:33] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: i think they did, but lock-ups don't call it sometimes, it only works when the installer KNOWS it crashed
[01:33] <melkor> does anybody here have a favorite, 'lightweight' windows manager, maybe something faster than fluxbox?
[01:33] <hitmanWilly> melkor: uhhh, TWM?
[01:33] <cvill64-laptop> flux is my favored :P
[01:33] <hitmanWilly> melkor: it really doesn't get much faster than flux...
[01:34] <khirr> queria levantar con ntfs-3g T_T
[01:34] <khirr> para poder escribir
[01:34] <cvill64-laptop> hitmanWilly: well its frozen and its crashed, two different times...very weird
[01:34] <jack> can someone tell me why i cant open the systemmanagent of my monitor settings since i edited the xorg.conf for xinerama with radeon driver?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: did it drop out or just hang forever?
[01:35] <cvill64-laptop> one time it just hung and froze and the other (new cd) it just crashed as in the window went bye bye w/o me telling it too
[01:36] <cvill64-laptop> I'm wondering if it can't handle the /boot as it seems to get through most of the copying process
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: did you put /boot as the first partition on the drive? that may be the issue...
[01:36] <melkor> yeah fluxbox is nice I think I'm going to try this open box.
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> melkor: most of the box WMs run about the same footprint
[01:37] <cvill64-laptop> hitmanWilly: no, the /boot is the second partition, the first being a windows partition, and the amd64 iso was able to handle it, also all other distros so far have been able to handle it too, which is why I'm skeptical but I may just try it for th ehell of it
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: i remember lilo having issues with that...i.e. the boot was too far back on the drive
[01:38] <cvill64-laptop> lilo yes, but this is grub
[01:38] <jack> can someone tell me why i cant open the systemmanagent of my monitor settings since i edited the xorg.conf for xinerama with radeon driver?
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: with grub, you really don't need a /boot partition anyway
[01:39] <cvill64-laptop> its helpful to have one imho
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: ok. i don't usually use it myself...but cool.
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> definately onboard with the /home partition, tho :)
[01:41] <cvill64-laptop> yep, have that on a different hard drive
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: me too, saved my bacon more than once
[01:42] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: is the win partition vista or xp?
[01:42] <cvill64-laptop> also nice when testing out other distros to have a nice little test partition first drive and just mount the /home for w/e
[01:42] <cvill64-laptop> the win partition is the winxp64
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: ah, that may be the issue, try installing grub on the MBR of the second drive, and switch the bios to boot from it first
[01:43] <cvill64-laptop> wait .... wah?
[01:43] <khirr> how can i do with one commnd on console to mound automatilly  one ntfs partition to can write
[01:43] <cvill64-laptop> that'd be silly :P
[01:44] <cvill64-laptop> it works the way I have it for several other distros including kubuntu amd64
[01:44] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: the 64 bit win bootloader may be interfering with the 32 bit grub...
[01:44] <cvill64-laptop> the win bootloader hasn't been there for quite awhile
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: ah, ok :)
[01:45] <cvill64-laptop> ;)
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: sorry, defaulting to newbie mode again...
[01:45] <cvill64-laptop> no problem, its what I do when helping others also
[01:45] <cvill64-laptop> I've had to use that suggestion before anyways
[01:46] <cvill64-laptop> well, giving it to others
[01:46] <cvill64-laptop> luckily never having to use it :P
[01:46] <nzk> Why is ubuntu so mind-numbingly and god-awfully slow?
[01:46] <nzk> I am running on a 2 year old new-at-the-time computer at 3.46ghz
[01:46] <cvill64-laptop> coz its not compiled for your optimized arch
[01:46] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: how comfortable are you installing grub manually? you may try that and just skip over the grub installer in kubuntu
[01:46] <nzk> Xchat, Terminal, Gedit, and Rhythmbox
[01:46] <nzk> 8.38 load average
[01:46] <nzk> The song wont even PLAY
[01:46] <cvill64-laptop> eh, I could do that, but then I'd just install gentoo again :P
[01:47] <nzk> i386 too
[01:47] <cvill64-laptop> nzk: that load average is small.....do you have support installed to play the file type ?
[01:47] <Neil-> is gentoo similar to ubuntu?
[01:47] <cvill64-laptop> I normally run gentoo
[01:47] <cvill64-laptop> on desktop
[01:47] <cvill64-laptop> NO NO NO
[01:47] <cvill64-laptop> lmao
[01:47] <cvill64-laptop> nein
[01:47] <nzk> cvill64-laptop, I mean that the computer is so slow, my mouse doesn't even move in real time, and if my song isn't horribly skipping its not even playing
[01:48] <pricechild> Hey I've been trying out kubuntu.... and was keeping xchat2. However colours don't appear in the channel list on the left when soemone sends a message etc. Does anyone else get this/know how to fix it?
[01:48] <nzk> 8.38 load average is high enough to melt a processor, its not 'small'
[01:48] <nzk> pricechild, #xchat
[01:48] <cvill64-laptop> Neil-: to answer the question, its not even remotely similar imho
[01:48] <pricechild> nzk, they pushed me to ask in #kde :P
[01:48] <Neil-> just curious :)
[01:49] <cvill64-laptop> oh, I thought you meant processor usage nzk, apologizes
[01:49] <Tired_> Hi.  I just got a gamepad, and I want to test it out, but I can't seem to find a game in the repos that uses one...any ideas?
[01:49] <nzk> cvill64-laptop, What can I do about this?
[01:49] <hitmanWilly> Tired_: frozen bubble has the option
[01:49] <nzk> Some days its fine, and video plays in real time (if i am lucky)
[01:49] <Tired_> Sweet, thanks  :)
[01:49] <Tobsan> hitmanWilly: i have a Intel 82801G Sound Card, but my drivers are completely lost
[01:49] <nzk> Like today its not even close to fine
[01:50] <cvill64-laptop> good question nzk, you could just have a simple heat problem, or it could be a failing hard drive, or your mobo is screwed up, or something during the install process didn't quite get it...that's a bit of a toughy to figure out
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> nzk: run top to see what's running
[01:50] <crimsun> Tobsan: please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[01:50] <Tobsan> oh
[01:50] <cvill64-laptop> I just may try that hitmanWilly with manually install grub
[01:50] <nzk> hitmanWilly, I do, top shows nothing out of the ordinary
[01:51] <nzk> top itself takes up like 20% of the cpu
[01:51] <adaptr> and you call that "nothing out of the ordinary" ???
[01:51] <nzk> Thats why I dont run top
[01:51] <nzk> or system monitor
[01:51] <hitmanWilly> nzk: wtf? that should NOT be happening...
[01:51] <nzk> they use up too much resources to be useful
[01:51] <hitmanWilly> nzk: you may have a bad proc there...
[01:52] <Tired_> YAY!  It works gorgeously, except every time I go left, it opens my K-menu.
[01:52] <nzk>  8287 nzk    15   0  2316 1096  804 R    4  0.2   0:00.05 top
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> Tired_: try disabling the gesture in kcontrol
[01:53] <nzk> I hate this computer so much, it works fine sometimes but bad othertimes. Its basically a laptop filled solid with dust.
[01:53] <hitmanWilly> nzk: full of dust? the proc is probably scaling itself down due to heat...
[01:54] <nzk> I exaggerate
[01:54] <nzk> I clean it every few weeks
[01:54] <cvill64-laptop> hmm...did the packagers forget to replace the "Help for GRUB device selection goes here" in the installer? :P
[01:54] <nzk> its clean now actually
[01:54] <Tired_> "the gesture"?
[01:54] <nzk> Like windows, when I bring them up from minimize, take something like 7 seconds to render
[01:54] <cvill64-laptop> yep, hardware problem
[01:54] <nzk> :|
[01:54] <Tobsan> crimsun: how do i run the script?
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> Tired_: its probably reading the left as some kind of keyboard/mouse gesture
[01:55] <whitepyro> is there a way to allow dual monitor support which only loads anything opengl (games) on 1 screen and not both??
[01:55] <crimsun> Tobsan: save it to the Desktop, then in a Konsole:  bash alsa-info.sh
[01:55] <Tired_> oh. i probably should disable mouse gestures totally, since I don't use them
[01:55] <Tobsan> aha
[01:55] <crimsun> Tobsan: (or you may need to use:  bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh  )
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> Tired_: there ya go :)
[01:56] <Tobsan> http://pastebin.ca/508378
[01:56] <cvill64-laptop> whitepyro: you using ati or nvidia ?
[01:56] <whitepyro> cvill64-laptop: Ati radeon 9700 Pro
[01:56] <Tired_> And now it works completely perfectly...thanks a ton.  :D
[01:56] <Tired_> I'm gonna go blow up some bubbles.
[01:57] <nzk> cvill64-laptop, if I try to bring it to dell, they will be like "omgz u uzed linsux on urz computerz datz y itz sloww"
[01:57] <cvill64-laptop> oh geez, sorry, I don't know ati xorg stuff very well
[01:57] <cvill64-laptop> nzk: legally they can't say that
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> Tobsan: you may need to modprobe the driver
[01:57] <Tobsan> crimsun: i have to go to bed now (is't 2 AM here) but if you see a solution to my problem, please PM me
[01:57] <cvill64-laptop> and you can just start windows to show them
[01:57] <Tobsan> goodnight
[01:57] <nzk> I wiped windows off the drive.
[01:58] <whitepyro> cvill64-laptop: Thanks any how.. atleast I got bigdesktop working :P
[01:58] <crimsun> Tobsan: what's the output from lsmod|grep ^snd  ?
[01:58] <cvill64-laptop> that's pretty good for ati
[01:58] <cvill64-laptop> I hear too many horror stories about ati
[01:58] <hitmanWilly> ati just blows...at least right now...
[01:58] <nzk> cvill64-laptop, anyway, they have done that before, refused service because of my OS
[01:58] <cvill64-laptop> ?
[01:58] <cvill64-laptop> weird, I've gotten my acer fixed with linux of it
[01:59] <cvill64-laptop> but then again, not a dell
[01:59] <hitmanWilly> nzk: that may not be the case anymore, since they are now shipping the very distro you are running
[01:59] <nzk> Besides, its out of warrantee
[01:59] <nzk> hitmanWilly, I know, but the slaves at tech support dont know that
[02:00] <whitepyro> Man i hate getting echo when playing my dvd.. Theres..... got to be a setting somewhere....
[02:00] <nzk> hitmanWilly, I use Ubuntu not Kubuntu
[02:00] <hitmanWilly> nzk: you may try and see if there's any computer shops around that can help, since its out of warranty you're gonna have to pay for it anyway
[02:00] <hitmanWilly> nzk: same thing
[02:01] <nzk> Bah, I don't feel like wasting money. I'll just get a new computer.
[02:01] <cvill64-laptop> damnit...this time got to 63%, saying less than a minute to go and it crashed, how does the installer not know its crashing
[02:01] <nzk> Hopefully C2D Mac Minis will be out after WWDC or around there
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> nzk: everything except the deafult desktop is identical between ubuntu/kubuntu
[02:01] <nzk> So I can get one
[02:01] <whitepyro> I like ubuntu's interface better then my kubuntu but i can't get esddsp to work without skipping and in kubuntu atleast I can adjust buffer with arts ;|
[02:01] <cvill64-laptop> I hate gnome, so I'm trying out kubuntu
[02:02] <cvill64-laptop> and I'd say a lot is different hitmanWilly, especially with what programs you get defaulted too
[02:02] <whitepyro> KDE seems bloated atleast with its menus.... So i'm writing a bash script to remove them all if i need to format for anything LOL
[02:03] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop & apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop & apt-get autoremove...you have now turned an ubuntu desktop into a kubuntu desktop :)
[02:03] <cvill64-laptop> interesting, but that's a lot of packages to remove and install
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: yup, just trying to demonstrate that the core architectures are identical :)
[02:04] <cvill64-laptop> whitepyro: that's because kde has a global menu which gnome does not
[02:04] <cvill64-laptop> oh, yesthe core is the same
[02:04] <nzk> If i run kill -9 1
[02:04] <nzk> what will happen
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> kubuntu is just stock ubuntu minus gnome plus kde
[02:05] <whitepyro> nzk probably better to do ps aux then do killall [Name]
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> nzk: nothing good
[02:06] <hitmanWilly> nzk: that would kill init
[02:06] <flami> Uhm i somehow made it do add a 2nd pannel on top of the screen , and i have no idea how to get rid of it
[02:06] <whitepyro> flami: Right click kicker bar and
[02:06] <cWolfe> does xchat in k/ubuntu have built in ipv6 support?
[02:07] <whitepyro> flami: unlock panels and then right click panel and then go to panels and remove
[02:07] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: what's really fun is just installing the ubuntu base system (no X, etc) and building up gentoo style
[02:07] <flami> remove pannels is greyed out
[02:07] <hitmanWilly> cvill64-laptop: you can even use apt-build if you want to compile everything
[02:08] <whitepyro> flami: So you have one on top and one on bottom now?
[02:08] <flami> i have the normal one on the bottom
[02:08] <oldwest> one know what konsole command to see what is used and space left on hdrive
[02:08] <whitepyro> Man i love watching harry potter on 2nd screen ROFL (yes harry potter)
[02:08] <hitmanWilly> harry pothead?
[02:08] <flami> and somehow i added a 2nd one on top that aparently gets some options of a software i start
[02:09] <whitepyro> sure sure
[02:09] <K-Ryan> I think he added an external taskbar
[02:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[02:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:10] <xGrantx> ugh
[02:10] <flami> seems to be a menu extension?
[02:10] <Jack333> can i run another linux os within ubuntu?
[02:10] <xGrantx> I almost have avant window navigator working....
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Jack333: yes with VMs
[02:10] <oldwest> what is konsole command to see space used and and unsed on hard drive?
[02:10] <xGrantx> it comes up then crashes
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> !VM
[02:10] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[02:10] <flami> you can make dual boots, i recommend gentoo if you want a shock :P
[02:10] <K-Ryan> What does a Kasbar do?
[02:10] <Jack333> !Kqemu
[02:10] <ubotu> kqemu is a kernel module (now free under the GPL license) for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu - see also !qvm86
[02:10] <Jack333> !qemu
[02:10] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Jack333: /msg ubotu :)
[02:10] <Jack333> ah okay :P
[02:14] <xGrantx> oh, haha
[02:14] <xGrantx> the navigator bar is behind the taskbar....
[02:14] <dkkong> How can I get my scanner working if xsane doesn't detect it even if ran under root?
[02:14] <oldwest> anyone know command to used or unused pace left on hdrive?
[02:15] <oldwest> space
[02:15] <xGrantx> how do you move the avant bar?
[02:18] <K-Ryan> oldwest: I'm looking around to find where you can see it, hold on.
[02:18] <oldwest> k-ryan thx
[02:18] <K-Ryan> If you have Gparted you can open that up and look
[02:19] <oldwest> found comm the other day but didn't write it down
[02:19] <oldwest> gparted in synatics?
[02:19] <K-Ryan> Yeah but if you don't have it don't bother
[02:20] <oldwest> y?
[02:20] <sayers> Uhm. My keyboard just stopped working in Kubuntu.
[02:20] <K-Ryan> You can open / then right click home then properties.
[02:20] <oldwest> k - great thx bunch
[02:20] <K-Ryan> It will say how much is used out of how much is available.
[02:20] <K-Ryan> No problem
[02:20] <oldwest> sweet
[02:20] <K-Ryan> sayers: Then how did you type that? o.O
[02:20] <sayers> I know how to use Linux with out a desktop environment
[02:20] <oldwest> trick question huh?
[02:21] <K-Ryan> I didn't know that's what you were doing.
[02:21] <sayers> anyway how do I fix this?
[02:21] <K-Ryan> I'm not sure myself
[02:21] <K-Ryan> !keyboard
[02:21] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[02:21] <K-Ryan> Nope...
[02:22] <sayers> it can't be that hard to fix :s
[02:23] <K-Ryan> What changes have you made recently?
[02:24] <sayers> no clue it just stopped
[02:24] <K-Ryan> Have you tried it again to see if it works now?
[02:24] <sayers> yes
[02:24] <sayers> Failsafe works
[02:24] <K-Ryan> Strange
[02:26] <watcher> hey people, complete noob here, anyone got any basic advice for someone using kubuntu??
[02:27] <K-Ryan> Right click everything.
[02:28] <watcher> lol, yeah i been doing that alot, do you know where i could get some drivers for a nvidia 7950gt xxx grafix card, tried the one from nvidia but it didnt seem to work
[02:29] <sayers> helo
[02:29] <K-Ryan> Yeah it doesn't really work, screwed someone up actually.
[02:29] <K-Ryan> sayers: Don't be afraid to ask again every once in a while
[02:29] <K-Ryan> watcher: You know about Adept right?
[02:29] <sayers> well how am I susposed to use my computer without my Desktop Enviornment?
[02:30] <watcher> errr...nope not really, like a said, complete noob :-(
[02:30] <K-Ryan> No I know it's a problem, but I don't know how to fix it, so you have to rely on someone else.
[02:30] <K-Ryan> watcher: Okay then, Adept Manager is where you install packages from the repositories. Since you don't know about Adept, I'm assuming you never enabled the extra repositories.
[02:31] <watcher> im guessing not too :-p
[02:31] <K-Ryan> Anyway, open the KDE Menu > System > Adept Manager
[02:32] <watcher> righ got that up
[02:32] <K-Ryan> Top left click Adept > Manage Repositories
[02:32] <watcher> yup
[02:32] <K-Ryan> Check all the boxes.
[02:34] <watcher> would it just be easier to do a full upgrade?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> To get the drivers? That wouldn't get you the drivers
[02:34] <K-Ryan> But you're not on Feisty?
[02:35] <watcher> ahh k then, nope
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Ah, then this isn't going to do it
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Hold on
[02:35] <K-Ryan> !nvidia
[02:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <watcher> sorry for being a completely useless noob here, but thanks for the help, its really appreciated
[02:36] <K-Ryan> It's okay, we were all that way once.
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Okay, when you clicked manage repos, were you able to check the boxes?
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Or did it open up a text-like box?
[02:37] <watcher> got the text like box, said i needed security updates so i got them, and im reading up on the page you sent me now
[02:37] <K-Ryan> Oh I opened it so I could guide you through it =P
[02:38] <K-Ryan> But in that text box you have to find the lines that are commented out(have a # at the beginning of the line) and remove the #
[02:38] <K-Ryan> I think you select the line and click enable to do it.
[02:38] <Search4Lancer> I just downloaded the secure-delete package, but can't find any info as to the commands to use (secure-delete isn't one of them) to use it
[02:38] <watcher> lol, its cool cheers, ill try and do it myself and if i hit a dead end ill come back if thats ok, atm i think i just need to be pointed in the general direction then learn for myself, probably the best way really
[02:38] <K-Ryan> !secure-delete
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about secure-delete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <K-Ryan> Hmmph
[02:39] <xGrantx> how can gset-kiba depend on kiba-dock and kiba-dock depend on gset-kiba?
[02:39] <K-Ryan> watcher: Except if you screw up that text-like area, Adept won't start =P
[02:39] <K-Ryan> watcher: So if you're not sure of something, ask
[02:40] <_defcon> i got a problem, for some reason when I switched from ubuntu over to kubuntu "gnome"-"kde" xchat channel list and query's do not light up when there is activity
[02:40] <_defcon> but in gnome it does
[02:40] <watcher> will do cheers, ill follow the instructions from the page you gave me so i should be ok cheers
[02:40] <K-Ryan> cheers ;)
[02:40] <_defcon> was something changed in xchat when I switched over?
[02:40] <K-Ryan> There are more people here than in the windows room =D
[02:41] <wolferine> K-Ryan, we arent suprised :)
[02:42] <K-Ryan> I love it
[02:42] <K-Ryan> I really do
[02:42] <wolferine> yeah, it grows on ya, thats fo sure
[02:42] <xGrantx> how is it possible that two debian packages depend on each other to install?
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> that's cuz windows doesn't ship with a Microsoft approved irc client :)
[02:42] <wolferine> xGrantx, possible?
[02:42] <K-Ryan> Haha
[02:42] <wolferine> lol @ hitmanWilly
[02:43] <K-Ryan> Well if you need the other to install, you can't really install either then can you?
[02:43] <xGrantx> what?
[02:43] <xGrantx> right
[02:43] <syarif> hi guy's
[02:43] <xGrantx> so it makes no sense
[02:43] <wolferine> xGrantx, are you a programmer?
[02:43] <whitepyro> Is there any better alternatives to gaim and konversation for IRC? :D
[02:43] <tin> that shouldn't happen, but you can force an install if you need to
[02:43] <xGrantx> wolferine, yea I am
[02:43] <beata> I'm having a network issue with Feisty on a laptop with a primary ppp connection and an ethernet port. When the ethernet cable is plugged in, everything is fine. When the cable is unplugged, konqueror won't connect to any internet site unless I disable the cache.
[02:43] <wolferine> whitepyro, xchat
[02:43] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: irc is a wonderful thing then if Microsoft hasn't got its paws on it.
[02:43] <wolferine> xGrantx, well think about it this way
[02:43] <tin> whitepyro: if you can handle a console app, try irssi
[02:43] <hitmanWilly> "you have typed a message in irc and are attempting to send it over the network, Cancel or Allow?"
[02:44] <tin> there's also ksirc, kvirc, lostirc, xchat, kopete can do irc
[02:44] <wolferine> xGrantx, there is alot smaller "packages" because only the code required to run that package is with it, nothing else.  Code reuse
[02:44] <Zeelot> hiellooo
[02:45] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: hehe. "You are coming to a sad realisation, Cancel or Allow?"
[02:45] <beata> I'm using a cellular modem on ttyUSB0/ppp0 as my primary connection.
[02:45] <xGrantx> wolferine, but two packages can't depend on each other, although it seems the ones I have do
[02:45] <whitepyro> thx
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Alonea: Hahaha
[02:45] <wolferine> you install packages for other packages becaause everything is dependant on necessary packages, and since all are realdily available, it just makes sense to not "jam pack" each package with the same thing alot of other packages already have
[02:45] <beata> Oh and I can get konqueror to work with cache enabled if I rmmod the ethernet driver.
[02:46] <wolferine> xGrantx, is it giving you an issue, or are you just pointing this out for everyone?
[02:46] <xGrantx> wolferine, issue
[02:46] <wolferine> ah
[02:46] <wolferine> which packages?
[02:46] <xGrantx> I can't install kiba-dock
[02:46] <Alonea> K-Ryan: I love the Mac commercials. They crack me up. I was a beta tester for vista and they are not over exaggerating on how crazy it is.
[02:46] <wolferine> because, whats the dependency?
[02:47] <xGrantx> because it depends on gset-kiba and kiba-plugins
[02:47] <Alonea> K-Ryan: though Vista does have some good points and I was impressed with some of its deatures.
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Alonea: I love the new hardware one where he gets the webcam taped to his head....
[02:47] <xGrantx> but both of those depend on kiba-dock
[02:47] <wolferine> feisty?
[02:47] <xGrantx> no edgy
[02:47] <beata> Er, what is a kiba?
[02:47] <Alonea> K-Ryan: ^___^
[02:48] <K-Ryan> "Yeah we're done here..."
[02:48] <beata> Webcam one?
[02:48] <K-Ryan> Aye
[02:48] <K-Ryan> That was the last line when the PC walked away
[02:48] <xGrantx> ugh.........
[02:48] <wolferine> xGrantx, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268645
[02:49] <wolferine> mac dock for linux?
[02:49] <xGrantx> yea
[02:49] <wolferine> looks cool
[02:49] <wolferine> watching a google video
[02:49] <wolferine> talk to #ubuntu-effects
[02:50] <wolferine> maybe they can offer more assistance
[02:50] <xGrantx> avant was giving me trouble so I decided to try this one
[02:50] <dkkong> Is there any way to run a windows driver through wine?
[02:51] <wolferine> well, looks like ppl have got it to work
[02:51] <wolferine> might take some time/effort on your part to see the end....
[02:53] <xGrantx> well what do you know, kiba-dock just installed itself
[02:53] <wolferine> nice
[02:53] <xGrantx> it's working too
[02:53] <wolferine> :)
[02:53] <wolferine> maybe ill try too
[02:53] <wolferine> hehe
[02:53] <beata> Muh.
[02:54] <xGrantx> ha, you can whip icons all over the place
[02:54] <wolferine> what source are you using?
[02:54] <wolferine> SoS?
[02:54] <wolferine> bbiab
[02:55] <xGrantx> eh
[02:55] <xGrantx> I found the debian packages just doing a google search
[02:55] <beata> There seems not to be it in Feisty.
[02:56] <beata> Oh, third-party?
[03:03] <pisq> is it easy to change out a hard drive in a laptop
[03:03] <navets> hey how do i make things automatically start in kubuntu
[03:04] <navets> pisq: yes just make sure its compatiable
[03:04] <kane_> is it possible to have real transperency on the kicker?
[03:04] <whitepyro> Hey do you think with the current state of things (user ability and ease of use that at some point more developers (possibly games :P) will start to support linux in a more readyable fashion? Or that wine will get good enough to run the newest Direct-X? :D
[03:05] <Zeelot> not happenin
[03:06] <kane_> whitepyro: the reason folks dont develop many games for linux is not the lack of use, its the lack of users who dont also run windows.
[03:06] <pisq> Is it just as easy to install Ubuntu 7.04 on a laptop as on a desk model PC?
[03:06] <thefirstdude> sure
[03:06] <kane_> pisq: just as easy to install, if it supports the wireless and bluetooth and tablet and that sort of thing is another story.
[03:06] <thefirstdude> I have 7.04 running on a dell
[03:06] <thefirstdude> laptop
[03:07] <pisq> ok, thank you both.
[03:07] <whitepyro> I left windows because of the stupid "you have to activate by phone" crap. I'm sick of calling them LOL.
[03:08] <kane_> yeah i havent used windows at home for about 6 years.
[03:08] <dkkong_> Is there any way to make Kooka see my scanner? It isn't detecting it
[03:08] <pisq> k bye
[03:09] <whitepyro> alright time to see if theres a lamp package :D
[03:10] <navets> where is my autostart folder
[03:10] <Ash-Fox> Hm, is there going to be a restricted-manager equivalent in the next kubuntu release?
[03:11] <K-Ryan> You've got a good 4 months 'til then =P
[03:11] <whitepyro> haha
[03:14] <who_> hello all
[03:14] <K-Ryan> Hi there
[03:14] <who_> i have somewhat of a problem
[03:14] <K-Ryan> Shoot
[03:15] <beata> Yap.
[03:15] <who_> i am kindof a newbie to linux and i am looking for a printer that will be compatible with ubuntu
[03:16] <who_> i just got off the phone with a sales rep at HP and he said a compatible printer would be like 1000 dollars and i think that he is mistaken
[03:17] <K-Ryan> compatible printer with Kubuntu?
[03:17] <K-Ryan> 1000? Nah
[03:17] <who_> i was hoping someone would be able to advise me on what kind of printer to buy
[03:17] <who_> yea he said 1000 bucks
[03:17] <cWolfe> lol, my hp 930c was $50 and it worked great
[03:17] <K-Ryan> Well I've got a Canon S330 and mind you Kubuntu didn't have the S330 driver, but the S300 driver does the trick.
[03:17] <who_> plug n play???
[03:18] <cWolfe> who_ dell has a bunch of postscript printers that they say are compatible
[03:18] <K-Ryan> And all I had to do was pick my printer from the driver list thing.
[03:18] <who_> cool
[03:18] <cWolfe> just search dells site with a term like "postscript"
[03:19] <who_> thx
[03:20] <beata> Dell's printers, at least the one's I've seen, vaguely remind me of Lexmark.
[03:24] <eriefisher> hp,epson.brother-----postscript is raw
[03:25] <eriefisher> lexmarks are paper weights
[03:26] <Zeelot> hello! why is it that when I am playing music on XMMS the sound from any other app is turned off?
[03:27] <Zeelot> actually just pidgin...I think
[03:27] <K-Ryan> I'm pretty sure that's the whole "Only one program can use sound at a time" thing
[03:29] <Zeelot> why is that?
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Something with certain sound cards.
[03:29] <Zeelot> but I can watch videos with kaffeine and play music on xmms at onc
[03:29] <Zeelot> once*
[03:30] <K-Ryan> That pidgin program may need to be the only program using sound.
[03:30] <Zeelot> aha
[03:30] <K-Ryan> I get that when using Wine, but like now I can use Amarok + other stuff
[03:30] <Zeelot> no fix?
[03:30] <K-Ryan> That I'm aware of
[03:30] <Zeelot> alrigh
[03:30] <Zeelot> +t
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Granted I may be wrong, but it sounds like that.
[03:30] <K-Ryan> no pun intended =P
[03:30] <Zeelot> lol
[03:32] <klobster> is there a nice way to kill hung programs?
[03:33] <Zeelot> they should already be dead if you tied the knot right o_o
[03:33] <Zeelot> harrr
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Haha
[03:35] <whitepyro> how when i try and run kate through console... or some other programs it prints 2 errors then loads... Is there a way to track down what this error is to make it stop printing? :D
[03:35] <K-Ryan> I think that's just the way it is
[03:35] <K-Ryan> I get that too
[03:35] <whitepyro> X error : baddevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[03:35] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[03:35] <whitepyro> ya
[03:35] <whitepyro> was just courious
[03:35] <whitepyro> lol
[03:36] <whitepyro> thought maybe xfree or x.org was giving me errors
[03:36] <whitepyro> :D
[03:36] <bsundsrud> thats because of the wacom tablet in your xorg.conf file that ubuntu likes to assume you have
[03:36] <K-Ryan> Dunno, but I have the exact same thing.
[03:36] <klobster> that's normal you are just seeing it's standard messages
[03:36] <whitepyro> ahh ok.. Just making sure ;D
[03:36] <K-Ryan> If it bothers you so much when opening kate
[03:36] <K-Ryan> sudo nano
[03:36] <K-Ryan> =)
[03:36] <bsundsrud> i did a bash alias to redirect all that to /dev/null
[03:36] <whitepyro> nah i prefer using kate over nano :D
[03:37] <K-Ryan> So did I but now I like nano.
[03:37] <whitepyro> i like gedit too but thats ubuntu and not kubuntu :D
[03:37] <K-Ryan> I actually wanted something to type/do yesterday just so I could play around with nano.
[03:37] <bsundsrud> alias kate='kate $@ 2>/dev/null'
[03:38] <bsundsrud> the $@ is so you can still pass it any number of arguments and kate will interpret them
[03:40] <whitepyro> I wish i could find a good text editor though.. I really miss my topstyle pro :D
[03:40] <bsundsrud> emacs!
[03:40] <bsundsrud> haha
[03:40] <moralless> How do i move /home to to a freshly formatted drive, and how do i mount it?
[03:41] <K-Ryan> mount <partition path>
[03:41] <K-Ryan> moving it I think should be as simple as a copy and paste
[03:41] <K-Ryan> "think"
[03:41] <bsundsrud> that SHOULD work.
[03:41] <bsundsrud> hehe
[03:43] <moralless> How do i set a mountpoint for it?
[03:43] <marke1> can anyone here help with video performance?
[03:43] <K-Ryan> Do you have the drivers for your video card?
[03:43] <bsundsrud> after installing the nvidia drivers, I can't access virtual terminals (Ctrl+F1-F6) anymore, because they're all garbled.  is there a kernel param (vga=?) or something i can do to fix this?
[03:44] <marke1> i have nvidia geforce2 - loaded edgy - using nvidia-glx
[03:44] <K-Ryan> Hmm
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Strange, I have that on Feisty and my stuff works fine
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Stick around I'm sure someone can help
[03:46] <marke1> i have video refresh issues - DVDs are gittery - 256MB RAM - 32MB vid RAM - P3 1GHz - decent disk drive - DVD in 32-bit mode (hdparm)
[03:46] <marke1> anybody have tips on how to speed up nvidia video?
[03:47] <moralless> How do i set a mountpoint for a new drive/edit /etc/fstab?
[03:47] <marke1> funny, because I watched one DVD just fine - the reloaded edgy and now it's gittery - default install - nothing special added
[03:47] <K-Ryan> moralless: Open up KDE Menu > System > KInforCenter
[03:47] <zblach> hi all. i've a bit of weirdness. i can't record sound from my microphone, it just seems to pipe input back through the speakers
[03:48] <K-Ryan> moralless: Once there goto the partitions tab
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Is it listed there?
[03:48] <zblach> heh. got it
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Anything else zblach?
[03:48] <moralless> K-Ryan: can't find it in there
[03:48] <zblach> still a nagging issue with kaddprinterwizard
[03:49] <K-Ryan> moralless: Partitions is on the left
[03:49] <moralless> i mean the program
[03:49] <K-Ryan> KInfoCenter is in KDE Menu > System
[03:49] <K-Ryan> 6th from the bottom
[03:50] <moralless> K-Ryan: found it, i had missed it, i'm using kickofff
[03:50] <zblach> it takes forever and a day to load, or kills kcontrol/system settings
[03:50] <K-Ryan> Strange zblach
[03:50] <K-Ryan> moralless: Under partitions, is it listed?
[03:50] <zblach> it didn't seem right
[03:50] <moralless> K-Ryan: no it isn't
[03:51] <marke1> brb
[03:51] <K-Ryan> Then I'm not sure what to do, sorry
[03:51] <moralless> K-Ryan: thanks for at least pointing me in the right direction
[03:52] <K-Ryan> I try
[03:52] <zblach> i take back what i said about the microphone. i'm still having issues
[03:52] <rubyat> morallis: a /home partition s/b set up in the install kubuntu phase....much easier than doing it later
[03:53] <moralless> rubyat: i have just gotten the drive, reinstalitation isn't an optiton anymore
[03:54] <moralless> intelikey: then tell me how.
[03:54] <intelikey> moralless you wanting to add the new drive as part of the system ?
[03:54] <moralless> yes, i want to mount it as /home
[03:54] <intelikey> tell me what you've got   and what you want to do with it
[03:55] <moralless> a maxtor 80GB drive, freshly formatted to ext3, and i want to set it to mount as /home, and move my current /home's data to it.
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> moralless: that shouldn't be too difficult
[03:56] <intelikey> nothing to it...
[03:56] <rubyat> you will need to use a partition tool like qparted then
[03:56] <moralless> i've got it
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> rubyat: no he won't, its already formatted
[03:56] <intelikey> moralless pastebin the output of    sudo fdisk -l   please and we'll tell ya how to do thta
[03:56] <intelikey> that
[03:57] <intelikey> rubyat ?   i don't think so...
[03:57] <moralless> Disk /dev/hda: 20.4 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>4 bytes
[03:57] <moralless> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2491 cylinders
[03:57] <moralless> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> rubyat: seperate drive
[03:57] <moralless>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:57] <intelikey> wow wow
[03:57] <moralless> /dev/hda1   *           1        2382    19133383+  83  Linux
[03:57] <moralless> /dev/hda2            2383        2491      875542+   5  Extended
[03:57] <moralless> /dev/hda5            2383        2491      875511   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[03:57] <moralless> Disk /dev/hdc: 81.9 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>6 bytes
[03:57] <moralless> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders
[03:57] <moralless> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[03:57] <intelikey> this is not pastebin.
[03:57] <moralless>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:57] <moralless> /dev/hdc1               1        9964    80035798+  83  Linux
[03:57] <moralless> yeah
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> moralless: ok, that's good, that's good
[03:58] <intelikey> moralless sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /media
[03:58] <rubyat> sorry...I thought he wanted to make a /home on the same drive
[03:58] <moralless> it mounted
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> rubyat: honest mistake...:) that's the usual issue
[03:59] <intelikey> moralless open konqueror     make sure that 'show hidden files' is ticked in it's menu
[03:59] <moralless> does dolphin? work?
[03:59] <surgy> hi
[04:00] <surgy> heya hitman
[04:00] <intelikey> moralless ummm yeah....   are you the only user ?
[04:00] <intelikey> moralless i mean are there other user accounts or no ?
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> howdy fellow carbon-based lifeform
[04:00] <moralless> no other user accounts
[04:01] <intelikey> moralless ok lets do it this way       in the konsole: sudo cp -R /home/* /media
[04:01] <klobster> anyone know why my .asoundrc file locks up my CA0106 (audigy ls) sound card?
[04:01] <surgy> actually im based off of non carbons :) <<< from the planet vagina
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: he could always boot up into recovery to edit fstab and wipe /home
[04:02] <intelikey> hitmanWilly not needed.  but yeah
[04:02] <moralless> intelikey: it's copying...it's got a few gigs to copy
[04:03] <intelikey> moralless ok when it finishes     sudo chown -R `whoami`:`whoami` /media
[04:04] <moralless> intelikey: ok
[04:05] <intelikey> moralless    grep /dev/hdc /etc/fstab         (it should return nothing)
[04:05] <klobster> how do i start or stop a /etc file?
[04:05] <moralless> intelikey: it's still copying
[04:05] <intelikey> ok moralless tell me when you catch up.
[04:06] <intelikey> klobster startup scripts ?
[04:06] <flake> I had a weird error, I left my feisty on all night, tried to pull up a couple of items and gave me KDEinit could not open application, like the firefox webbrowser or the terminal utility
[04:06] <moralless> intelikey: ok, it's a older computer so....
[04:06] <flake> I installed an update and relogged in, it works now
[04:06] <klobster> intelikey: yes .asoundrc
[04:06] <klobster> well asound.conf
[04:07] <flake> where is the system log?
[04:07] <intelikey> klobster you don't.   that's a runtime configuration file
[04:07] <intelikey> flake /var/log/*
[04:07] <flake> ty
[04:07] <klobster> intelikey: will it run no matter th name? should I move it elsewher before reboot?
[04:07] <neoncode> Does anyone know how to read the tempriature of a Core 2 Duo? In Vista I can use a program to read the tempritures of the individual cores. Anyone got an idea of how to do the same thing in Linux?
[04:08] <flake> I did install a bunch of crap though and removed a couple of others, might have affected it
[04:08] <moralless> intelikey: i ran the grep command in another tab, and it did as you said
[04:08] <intelikey> klobster it doesn't  "run"   a program reads it when it starts
[04:08] <klobster> intelikey: so a name change should do it, no?  asound.conf >> old.asound.conf?
[04:09] <intelikey> moralless ok      echo '/dev/hdc1 /home ext3 defaults 0 0 ' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[04:10] <intelikey> klobster yes if you don't want it read then changing the name will stop it.
[04:10] <klobster> intelikey: and then a reboot?  really?
[04:10] <intelikey> klobster no
[04:10] <intelikey> klobster you could but you probably want to free up the space on your root partition first.
[04:11] <intelikey> wait sorry
[04:11] <klobster> ??
[04:11] <intelikey> klobster yes   name mismatch
[04:11] <intelikey> klobster thought that moralless asked that.... my bad.
[04:12] <klobster> that's alright.  ok I'm going down...
[04:12] <intelikey> klobster yes a reboot will then affect the changes
[04:12] <nzk> How can I get ubuntu to be faster?
[04:12] <moralless> intelikey: it echoed to the console
[04:12] <intelikey> moralless yes tee does that    it also wrote to the /etc/fstab file
[04:13] <intelikey> moralless    grep /dev/hdc /etc/fstab         (it should return the line you just entered within the quotes '')
[04:14] <moralless> intelikey: returned nothing.
[04:14] <intelikey> nzk depends on what you mean.    but generally triming ship helps a little.
[04:14] <nzk> intelikey, what do you mean
[04:15] <intelikey> moralless ok... you did copy and paste this whole command in......                                                                                echo '/dev/hdc1 /home ext3 defaults 0 0 ' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[04:16] <intelikey> nzk not running things that you don't use/need   turning off eye-candy junk.   things like that.
[04:16] <moralless> intelikey: yeah, i guess it didn't go through, because i just ran it again, then greped it, and it returned results
[04:16] <nzk> How do I know if I need something or not
[04:17] <intelikey> moralless use the up arrow to see what the actual command you ran before was and compair      i'm thinking typo
[04:17] <intelikey> nzk trial and error ?
[04:18] <moralless> intelikey: it was a typo
[04:19] <intelikey> moralless yeah  "yeah, i guess it didn't go through,"  <<< there is extremely little chance of that... :)
[04:20] <khirr> i've installed apache...but where is my www folder?
[04:20] <moralless> intelikey: i know, i used to use Red Hat a few years back (i don't remember how to do any though)
[04:20] <kane_> khirr: /var/www/
[04:20] <khirr> can i wite there without sudo mode?
[04:20] <klobster> ok that restored sound, now to figure out why it broke it...
[04:20] <intelikey> moralless so was it in the last file name ?    if so you should delete the   "ftsab"  you just created by mistake   :)
[04:21] <moralless> intelikey: deleted, and it's still copying
[04:22] <kane_> khirr: no
[04:22] <kane_> its owned by www
[04:22] <intelikey> moralless ok.      let me ask you this question, while we wait.  "do you know anything about using a 'console' (tty) or is that totally foreign to you?"
[04:23] <kane_> khirr: you can add yourself to the www-date group though
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: good question, there...
[04:23] <kane_> er data
[04:23] <moralless> intelikey: i know a little bit, not enough to really do much though
[04:24] <xGrantx> ugh
[04:24] <xGrantx> how do I make beryl set itself as the win manager when it starts?
[04:24] <intelikey> moralless specificly witching from graphics mode to console mode and back ?      alt+ctrl+f1   and  alt+f7    ?
[04:24] <xGrantx> it starts but leaves KDE as the win manager
[04:25] <moralless> intelikey: yeah, but is there any real difference from using konsole or yakuake?
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> xGrantx: do you have beryl-manager installed?
[04:25] <xGrantx> yes
[04:25] <xGrantx> it starts
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> xGrantx: try switching from there
[04:25] <xGrantx> I do
[04:25] <xGrantx> but it's annoying
[04:26] <intelikey> moralless no not a lot.     but i'm asking because i'll want you to run a command in the console in a minute when the computer catches up but don't want you lost there
[04:26] <xGrantx> and then two kiba-docks start for no reason
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> xGrantx: there should be a way to set beryl as the default from there
[04:26] <xGrantx> I have nothing for kiba-dock in the Autostart directory
[04:26] <xGrantx> it shouldn't be starting
[04:26] <moralless> intelikey: ok
[04:27] <xGrantx> hitmanWilly: yea, I'll look through the Beryl settings
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> xGrantx: as far as the kiba issue, got no idea
[04:28] <xGrantx> hitmanWilly: well what other way does a program autostart?
[04:29] <xGrantx> besides being in the kde Autostart dir
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> xGrantx: i think beryl has some kind of autostart fuctionality as well, tho im not sure how it works
[04:30] <xGrantx> hmm
[04:30] <moralless> intelikey: It's Done.
[04:30] <redfive> beryl auto start is kinda funky
[04:30] <xGrantx> yes it is
[04:30] <redfive> i have 2 beryls starting when i log into kde
[04:30] <intelikey> moralless let me just give you the commands for the console you can write them down or what ever.     (only two of them)    1. sudo rm -r /home/`whoami` ;sudo mkdir -m 000 /home/`whoami`           2. sudo umount /media ;sudo mount /home
[04:30] <xGrantx> mine starts then doesn't switch to use beryl, so I have to manually switch
[04:31] <xGrantx> heh
[04:31] <redfive> ya, mine does that too
[04:31] <xGrantx> guess that's why this stuff is still under development
[04:31] <redfive> beryl is still in devlopment
[04:31] <xGrantx> so is kiba-dock
[04:31] <intelikey> moralless you will need to hit ctrl+alt+backspace   and when it gets to the login prompt drop to the console and run those two commands  then back to the gui and login.
[04:32] <intelikey> moralless that's the whole shbang.   all there was to it.
[04:32] <redfive> but i love beryl too much to trash talk it
[04:33] <marke> anybody here able to help with video performance ?
[04:33] <moralless> intelikey: ok, thanks, i'll come back in here and sat thanks again after i'm done
[04:33] <intelikey> moralless you did    sudo chown -R `whoami`:`whoami` /media                      like i said when it finishes copying    or did you skip that step ?
[04:34] <coreymon77> !ask | marke
[04:34] <ubotu> marke: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:34] <moralless> intelikey: doing it now
[04:34] <marke> lol
[04:34] <intelikey> i just remembered that that command was lost in the obscurity while we waited.....  :)
[04:34] <defcon_> what is the best easy way to install a ftpd on ubuntu?
[04:34] <moralless> intelikey: ok, it's done, i'll be back in a minute
[04:34] <marke> my video is slow - using nvidia-glx on a P3 laptop - 1GHz - 32MB vid RAM on GeForece2 card
[04:35] <marke> vid is gittery when watching a DVD
[04:35] <intelikey> ok
[04:35] <marke> Screen draws are a bit slow too
[04:35] <marke> Funny thing is that
[04:35] <marke> when I first boot the system stuff scrolls super fast in a shell, but
[04:35] <marke> after a few minutes it slows down
[04:35] <marke> ????
[04:36] <marke> using edgy - default install - only adds I made was nvidia-glx driver and some tools (firefox, tor, etc)
[04:36] <BenWhitey> hey
[04:36] <BenWhitey> is peter here?
[04:37] <marke> defcon: use apt or adept to install packages
[04:38] <intelikey> deselect aptitude or synaptic  are also options
[04:38] <intelikey> dselect  sorry
[04:38] <marke> defcon: try something like this in a shell "sudo apt-get install pure-ftpd"
[04:40] <intelikey> proftpd - Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon
[04:40] <defcon_> marke, is proftpd easy to configure
[04:40] <defcon_> or pureftpd
[04:40] <whitepyro> Man i love when people call me for pc help LOL
[04:40] <intelikey> vsftpd - The Very Secure FTP Daemon
[04:40] <marke> dunno - i use pure-ftpd - easy enough
[04:40] <whitepyro> friends hd just failed after 7 months moowah.....
[04:41] <intelikey> ftpd - FTP server
[04:41] <marke> why would my video run fast after loggin in to KDE but slow down after a few minutes?
[04:41] <intelikey> whitepyro send it to me and i'll use it another seven years
[04:41] <intelikey> :)
[04:42] <BenWhitey> lol
[04:42] <intelikey> marke memory leak
[04:42] <intelikey> system loading up.
[04:43] <marke> makes sense.  how come once I was able to watch a DVD no problem - then I reloaded edgy and now I can't. No difference in install - both default
[04:43] <marke> when i watch now it's gittery
[04:43] <marke> audio is good, screen looks like a slide show
[04:43] <intelikey> differance somewhere.
[04:44] <khirr> my wine startedup as win98, how can i startup it as XP?
[04:44] <whitepyro> intelikey: LOL windows fubarded his system as he tried to print.. Now thats funny
[04:44] <BenWhitey> was peter here earlier?
[04:44] <intelikey> whitepyro  ?
[04:44] <moralless> intelikey: everything's working great
[04:44] <intelikey> moralless yes and ?
[04:45] <intelikey> oh you are surprised   ?
[04:45] <intelikey> hmmm....
[04:45] <intelikey> :)
[04:45] <defcon_> I need a ftpd like servu for ubuntu
[04:45] <defcon_> easy to set up etc
[04:45] <defcon_> something I dont need to create a user on my box and get hacked
[04:45] <intelikey> ok all joking aside.   you're welcoma moralless
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> !ftp | defcon_
[04:45] <ubotu> defcon_: FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[04:45] <moralless> intelikey: no, just happy, no i have room for my music and movies
[04:46] <RadiantFire> defcon_: ssh?
[04:46] <defcon_> !ftpd
[04:46] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd, !MuddleFTPd, !wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[04:46] <defcon_> !vsftpd >>defcon
[04:46] <defcon_> !vsftpd >defcon
[04:46] <intelikey> moralless also you have a lot of free space in the system you can use as you need.
[04:46] <defcon_> !vsftpd > defcon
[04:46] <defcon_> hm
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> defcon_: try the !info flag
[04:47] <defcon_> !info vsftpd
[04:47] <ubotu> vsftpd: The Very Secure FTP Daemon. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 111 kB, installed size 408 kB
[04:47] <marke> ftp me over some performance :-)
[04:47] <moralless> intelikey: i know
[04:47] <marke> and some cash :-)
[04:47] <marke> lol
[04:48] <BenWhitey> so, is anyone good with wifi, madwifi, etc. ?
[04:48] <marke> Ben: what do you need?
[04:48] <intelikey> BenWhitey !i
[04:48] <BenWhitey> marke: i'm nto sure, i need help LOL
[04:48] <BenWhitey> i can't get my wifi working on my laptop
[04:48] <marke> me too - that's why I bought tequila .
[04:48] <BenWhitey> haha
[04:48] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: what model card?
[04:48] <marke> what card do you have?
[04:48] <BenWhitey> 1sec let me get it
[04:49] <marke> Three margaritas and counting....
[04:49] <BenWhitey>  AR5212
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: what brand?
[04:49] <BenWhitey> i installed madwifi but it doesn't seem to help
[04:49] <BenWhitey> Atheros Communications
[04:49] <redfive> dam, i updated kubuntu and it panicked on bootup
[04:50] <intelikey> redfive it happens
[04:50] <marke> what's the problem you have with the ar5212?
[04:50] <redfive> glad i got it back
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: have you tried checking it on google? there may be some known issues/workarounds
 I can't connect to my wireless network
[04:50] <BenWhitey> yeah
[04:50] <BenWhitey> ive tried
[04:50] <BenWhitey> ive tried installing madwifi drivers
[04:50] <BenWhitey> i can't seem to get it to work
[04:50] <redfive> thers no system restore in linux
[04:50] <marke> you using WEP or WPA?
[04:50] <BenWhitey> nope, open network
[04:51] <marke> does the card show in the System Settings -> Network ?
[04:51] <intelikey> redfive no we just reload.  :)
[04:51] <BenWhitey> yes
[04:51] <redfive> ya!
[04:51] <BenWhitey> i can scan and see the network i want to connect to and my neighbors networks
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: or reinstall :)
[04:51] <marke> so that means the system sees the card and loads drivers.
[04:51] <redfive> its a fun activity
[04:51] <intelikey> Q.   what do linux users do?
[04:51] <intelikey> A.   they install software.
[04:51] <marke> so you need to enter the SSID, right?  What happens when you do that ?
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:52] <intelikey> :)
[04:52] <intelikey> i'm out for a while.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> and waste a lot of time on irc...
[04:52] <intelikey> hitmanWilly that too
[04:52] <BenWhitey> yeah
[04:52] <BenWhitey> i did
[04:52] <intelikey> hitmanWilly you and Jucato take care of while i'm gone,   k
[04:52] <BenWhitey> it doesn't connect
[04:52] <marke> Ben: paste in your /etc/network/interfaces here....
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> gotcha...
[04:53] <BenWhitey> i'm on windows
[04:53] <BenWhitey> lol
[04:53] <RadiantFire> not here... on a pastebin
[04:53] <BenWhitey> yeah
[04:53] <BenWhitey> i know
[04:53] <marke> wherever
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: does the router have some kind of filtering set up?
[04:54] <RadiantFire> BenWhitey: so I'm sorry, you can see the networks but can't join them?
[04:54] <BenWhitey> in windows it works great
[04:54] <RadiantFire> BenWhitey: what goes wrong in linux? you just can't connect?
[04:55] <BenWhitey> yeah
[04:55] <BenWhitey> it stalls at 28%
[04:55] <redfive> linux users compile softwaer
[04:55] <marke> in your interfaces file you outta see something under ath0 probably that has wireless-essid and possibly wireless-key
[04:55] <BenWhitey> no
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: how long do you let it sit?
[04:55] <BenWhitey> yeah
[04:55] <BenWhitey> a long time
[04:55] <BenWhitey> it fials
[04:55] <BenWhitey> and just says disconnected
[04:55] <BenWhitey> everything in interfaces is auto
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: does it give any other info? or just the 28%?
[04:57] <marke> Ben: you can try manually putting in your ssid and then restarting the networking - I've had to do that before with my Atheros
[04:58] <RadiantFire> BenWhitey: what kind of card is it?
[04:58] <marke> RF: Atheros - AR5212
[04:58] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/5qDfqT72.html
[04:59] <RadiantFire> roflmao, parsed as c++, I am amused
[04:59] <RadiantFire> anyway
[04:59] <BenWhitey> lol
[04:59] <BenWhitey> thats the one i always use
[04:59] <RadiantFire> i'm a bad coder, I forgot what the auto keyword does
[04:59] <BenWhitey> easy for me to remember its site for some reason
[04:59] <RadiantFire> BenWhitey: have you tried doing it form the terminal... I've had network manager flake out on me before
[04:59] <BenWhitey> yes
[05:00] <kane_> Hey i think i just wiped my partion that had my grub, i have another grub on this partion here, how do i make sure that this grub will be loaded
[05:00] <BenWhitey> i have tried many things
[05:00] <kane_> you get what im saying?
[05:00] <RadiantFire> BenWhitey: what does dhclient say?
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> kane_: set up to boot from the drive its on in bios
[05:00] <BenWhitey> ok this is going ot be a pain to type out
[05:00] <kane_> hrm ok.
[05:00] <BenWhitey> lol
[05:01] <BenWhitey> gimme a few min
[05:01] <marke> Ben: Under the "auto ath0" -> "iface" lines, add a line like this: wireless-essid myrouterssid - where myrouterssid is the name of the router
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> kane_: if possible, don't change the drive order, just boot from that drive, changing drive order can screw up grub
[05:02] <kane_> yeah i dont think i changed the drive order, i just had installed PClinuxOS on another partion and it was using that version of grub to boot.
[05:02] <kane_> but i just wiped that partion out.
[05:02] <BenWhitey> yeah
[05:02] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:03] <BenWhitey> do you still want me to type out dhclient?
[05:03] <BenWhitey> or should i do that first and try dhclient again
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> kane_: worst case scenario is it doesn't boot right, maybe give you an error 15
[05:03] <marke> Ben: if you add that line to your interfaces file, then restart networking "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop" then start
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> kane_: in that case you'll need to edit grub's config files to change the drives around
[05:03] <BenWhitey> so i add it underneath the iface line?
[05:04] <BenWhitey> just want to make sure i don't screw up
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> marke: he could just use the restart option too
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> marke: ie /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:05] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:05] <kane_> hitmanWilly: not menu.lst, im i looking for the device map?
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> kane_: just change around menu.lst to reflect the new drive order
[05:06] <BenWhitey> i just did sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> kane_: ie changing hd(0,0) to hd(1,0) or whatever
[05:07] <kane_> ah
[05:07] <kane_> ok
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> kane_: grub just goes off of the bios drive order
[05:07] <BenWhitey> ok it didn't work
[05:07] <kane_> hrm. i see.
[05:07] <BenWhitey> its a really long paste though
[05:07] <kane_> thanks muchly
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> np :)
[05:08] <klobster> what is the sound system that Kubuntu uses by default?  and how do I restart it?
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> klobster: kde or the entire system?
[05:09] <kane_> klobster: well if you are using kde youre prolly thinking of arts.
[05:09] <BenWhitey> that didn't work
[05:10] <klobster> Not sure the one I restart in the sound system control panel?
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> klobster: ok, that's arts
[05:10] <klobster> thank you.  How do i restart it?
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> klobster: artsd is the daemon
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> klobster: disable then reenable the sound system in kcontrol
[05:11] <BenWhitey> any ideas guys???
[05:11] <klobster> hitmanWilly that's how it got locked up...
[05:12] <marke> you got the right ssid in the ath0 section on a line by itself?
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> klobster: killall artsd then rerun it
[05:12] <BenWhitey> yup
[05:12] <BenWhitey> wireless-essid unique
[05:12] <marke> you sure the router isn't requiring wep or wpa?
[05:12] <BenWhitey> yes
[05:12] <BenWhitey> positive
[05:12] <kane_> BenWhitey: and are you sure your neighbors are not using mac filtering?
[05:13] <BenWhitey> open network
[05:13] <BenWhitey> i'm connecting to my open network
[05:13] <dr_willis> Hmm.  i wonder how many other people are checking out the Dell Linux box's
[05:13] <BenWhitey> i'm just too lazy to secure it, and i don't really care if people use it
[05:13] <dr_willis> laptop they offer dosent seem too bad.
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: not me, i build my own :)
[05:13] <kane_> dr_willis: id like to pick up the laptop.
[05:13] <dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  so do i.. but i cant beat their  prices.
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: plus i have some issues with the crap hardware dell sends out
[05:14] <marke> lemme check something
[05:14] <BenWhitey> i got a lenovo tablet for like 1900$ including shipping and tax, 1.83 core duo 100gb 7200rpm drive
[05:14] <dr_willis> been having the same  build your own/buy arguments all week.
[05:14] <BenWhitey> its pretty sick
[05:14] <BenWhitey> now if i could just get the wifi working it would be perfect
[05:14] <klobster> HitmanWilly do i need to sudo the artsd daemon?  (BTW: the dellbuntu boxen look pretty nice)
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> klobster: i dont think so, but maybe
[05:15] <kane_> BenWhitey: what card are you using.
[05:15] <klobster> decent dellbunut lappies start at what 590?
[05:15] <marke> under System Settings -> Network Settings, what is the "interface" name?
[05:15] <dr_willis> dell one i just priced was $888
[05:15] <klobster> *dellbuntu
[05:15] <dr_willis> dident go all out for the high end. :) just upgraded a few.
[05:16] <klobster> with sudo I got this error:
[05:16] <klobster> Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
[05:16] <klobster> can't create mcop directory
[05:16] <dr_willis> compared to some of the other dell systems. theur linux boxs are more customizeable..
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> "dude, you're gettin' ubuntu!!"
[05:16] <BenWhitey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=450987
[05:16] <BenWhitey> thats my post from earlier
[05:16] <BenWhitey> has a whole bunch of info
[05:16] <BenWhitey> nobody really answered it
[05:17] <BenWhitey> but i installed kubuntu again
[05:17] <BenWhitey> so the interface file is different
[05:17] <BenWhitey> but the rest i think is generally the same
[05:17] <K-Ryan> Anyone know how I would go about installing Wolfenstein Enemy Territory?
[05:17] <dr_willis> K-Ryan,  i installed it ages ago.
[05:17] <klobster> ok cant be artsd, because it is still locked.
[05:17] <kane_> BenWhitey: have you just tried the tool provided with your ubuntu install?
 which tool?
[05:18] <BenWhitey> knetworkmanager ?
[05:18] <K-Ryan> dr_willis: I can only find an executable for download on the website.
[05:18] <kane_> i'm trying to remember...
 on my previous instalation it woudln't even open. on this one it opens
[05:18] <K-Ryan> Google around for a Linux version I guess?
[05:18] <kane_> its not knetworkmanger.
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> klobster: have you tried restarting X?
[05:18] <BenWhitey> i'm using madwifi drivers
[05:18] <dr_willis> K-Ryan,  check that linux gamers tome site
[05:18] <BenWhitey> but they didn't change anything
[05:19] <lascar> dr_willis: good evening
[05:19] <ardchoille> How do I disable certain keys? I want to disable the printscreen key.
[05:19] <dr_willis> disable it from doing what?
[05:19] <ardchoille> From working
 any ideas?
[05:19] <dr_willis> never noticed it doing much. :)
[05:20] <ardchoille> The printscreen key launches ksnapshot
[05:20] <klobster> HitmanWilly: I know that will work, I have been trying to refrain from the bad habits I picked up from windows.
[05:20] <marke> Ben: under the System Settings -> Networking Settings, what
[05:20] <marke> is the "interface" name listed there for your card?
[05:20] <dr_willis> check the keybinding/settings under kde yet? thats a kde feature.
[05:20] <ko12upt> anyone know how i can turn this into a panel its just some icons .png for now so everyone can see what im doing this is in ubuntu but i dont think anyone in there knows how this is what im doing anyone intrested in helping me with some questions i have http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/24/f_Screenshotm_af2b97c.png look at this first the bottom is suppose to be a customized pannel but its not its icons put together i want to mak
[05:20] <ko12upt> e a panel from this any help would be appreciated ]
 yup
 it is enabled
[05:21] <ardchoille> dr_willis: Already disabled it there a long time ago, seems the kb shortcut is still in effect.
[05:21] <dr_willis> id say ask in #kde
 but it does have IP <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:21] <dr_willis> may be getting used by some other task/settings
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> klobster: an X restart isn't really a bad habit unless the error repeats itself multiple times, then you have config issues
[05:21] <BenWhitey> maybe i should change the IP manually
[05:21] <BenWhitey> but i don't want to mess anything up
[05:21] <marke> 169..x.x.x is the auto config network - for when a card can't get an address otherwise.
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> klobster: not a reboot, just restarting X
[05:21] <ardchoille> dr_willis: Ah, ok, thanks
[05:21] <BenWhitey> yeah
[05:22] <BenWhitey> ok, so should i manually configure it
[05:22] <marke> when you see that addy it means the card can't talk on the network using DHCP to get an address
[05:22] <kane_> BenWhitey: ah found it wlassistant was the tool i was thinking off.
[05:22] <marke> no, manual config won't help you unless you can connect to the router - so what's the interface name? eth0 or ath0?
 does that come with the default install?
[05:22] <kane_> ive had good luck with in in the past.
[05:22] <BenWhitey> ath0
[05:23] <BenWhitey> or do i need to install it via apt-get
[05:23] <kane_> it came with my girlfriends default install but i dont see it on mine.
[05:23] <kane_> i just apt got it.
[05:23] <marke> so ath0 shows up in the System Settings -> Network Settings?
 yes with a 169.*.*.* IP
[05:23] <BenWhitey> do you have the code to get it?
[05:24] <BenWhitey> (i'm new to linux)
[05:24] <marke> OK - so when you put the wireless-essid name in interfaces you put that under the ath0 section?
[05:24] <BenWhitey> i di
[05:24] <BenWhitey> nothing changed
[05:24] <BenWhitey> yup
[05:24] <kane_> BenWhitey: sudo apt-get install wlassistant
[05:24] <marke> i've had similar trouble. I manually put my essid in the interfaces file, and rebooted, and it worked. had to reboot though because of some unknown issue with the network layer.
[05:25] <kane_> linux wireless support is a litte underwhelming.
[05:25] <lascar> how do i get root-level access to a kubuntu distro from a live cd?
[05:25] <aalleva> Hola!
[05:25] <dr_willis> wirelss support under all os's is underwhelming...
[05:25] <kane_> lascar: you start out with it if i recall.
[05:25] <kane_> dr_willis: agreed.
[05:25] <lascar> i don't
[05:25] <aalleva> Hola!! alguien q hable espaol?
[05:25] <kane_> but i think linux has it worse.
[05:25] <dr_willis> perhaps with wireless-n the companies will get their acts together.
[05:26] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:26] <K-Ryan> !es | aalleva
[05:26] <ubotu> aalleva: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:26] <BenWhitey> should i try rebooting?
[05:26] <aalleva> gracias!
[05:26] <BenWhitey> or should i try wlassistant first?
[05:26] <kane_> BenWhitey: either or.  Ive found rebooting sometimes helps with wireless issues.
[05:26] <K-Ryan> dr_willis: I found a .x86.run, will that work?
[05:26] <kane_> for some crazy reazon.
[05:26] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:26] <BenWhitey> i'll reboot first
[05:26] <hitmanWilly> everyone seems to think that windows support is better, but that's just because companies write software add on drivers for it
[05:26] <marke> I would try rebooting, ya. Make sure the wireless-essid is still in your interfaces file in case the GUI took it out. Then reboot.
[05:27] <kane_> hitmanWilly: of course.
[05:27] <kane_> still doesnt change that the linux has it worse off.
[05:27] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:27] <marke> ubuntu wifi support is pretty good compared to some other distros I've seen.
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> if windows had to stand on its own like nix does, it wouldn't even be worth the DVD's it came on
[05:27] <BenWhitey> rebooting, lets see what happens
[05:27] <kane_> i agree.
[05:27] <kane_> ive used linux soley for about 5 or 6 years.
[05:27] <marke> ya, keeping chatting with us while you reboot :-)
[05:27] <dr_willis> K-Ryan,  run it and see. :) it may be a self-installing-executable. I advice installing it just for the one user
[05:27] <kane_> and windows XP has some pretty intresting wireless issues.
[05:27] <BenWhitey> it does
[05:28] <BenWhitey> but it has better driver support IMO
[05:28] <K-Ryan> dr_willis: Well I mean it's a big file I'd like to know if it would work before waiting all that time =P
[05:28] <K-Ryan> But I'll try
[05:28] <marke> XP means Xtra Speshul
[05:28] <kane_> oh yeah it does. linux will ge tthere though.
[05:28] <dr_willis> kane_,  yea.. gotta love it when you need to decide to use 'the windows tools' or the 'wireless card makers' tools.
[05:28] <kane_> its made huge strides in the last few years.
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> and neither works right :)
[05:28] <kane_> dr_willis: agreed.  i do support for some wireless modems.
[05:28] <kane_> and they intefere with each other.
[05:28] <lascar> and with dell working with Canonical for their Linux pcs...
[05:28] <kane_> its pretty hot.
[05:28] <dr_willis> kane_,  my idea of 'wireless support' is to  run wires. :)
[05:29] <kane_> yeah i'm a big fan of wired anyway.  Wireless to me is kinda shady
[05:29] <BenWhitey> wtf
[05:29] <BenWhitey> my laptop won't turn on
[05:29] <marke> wireless is basically microwave - and that is VERY bad for DNA and brain cells....
[05:29] <BenWhitey> i typed "reboot" into console
[05:29] <BenWhitey> sudo reboot
[05:29] <dr_willis> kane_,  ubuntu got my laptop wireless going. :)
[05:29] <BenWhitey> and its died or something
[05:29] <lascar> marke: wireless = radio waves
[05:29] <kane_> i managed to get my girls wireless going well too, i think its using ath chipset.
[05:30] <K-Ryan> Hey guys when I get a new computer do you think I'd be able to ask for no Vista and get a lower price?
[05:30] <ko12upt> this is what im doing anyone intrested in helping me with some questions i have http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/24/f_Screenshotm_af2b97c.png look at this first the bottom is suppose to be a customized pannel but its not its icons put together i want to make a panel from this any help would be appreciated
[05:30] <marke> wireless = radio waves = Ghz spectrum = microwaves spectrum = DNA damage and brain cells damage
[05:30] <dr_willis> K-Ryan,  doubtfull
[05:30] <kane_> K-Ryan: you should check out the ubuntu dells, maybe.
[05:30] <BenWhitey> any idea how to turn on my laptop?
[05:30] <dr_willis> looking at the ubuntu-dells right now. :)
[05:30] <dr_willis> not badly priced.
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: good luck, of course you could always ask for a refund from M$
[05:30] <BenWhitey> the power button doesn't seem to be working
[05:30] <K-Ryan> BenWhitey: Button?
[05:31] <RadiantFire> i am made sad that kubuntu isn't on them... at least they are guaranteed to work with linux if it comes preinstalled, and thats enough for me
[05:31] <marke> wtf?  take the battery out - unplug the laptop - plug it all back in and try again
[05:31] <lascar> marke: ghz spectrum includes a variety of waves, including gamma.  some are more damaging than others, obviously.  But wi-fi isn't one of those.
[05:31] <K-Ryan> How good is a Dell?
[05:31] <BenWhitey> what does "reboot" do in console?
[05:31] <RadiantFire> reboots the computer
[05:31] <K-Ryan> I've only had a Gateway and this Sony Vaio
[05:31] <RadiantFire> it is an alias for shutdown -r now
[05:31] <BenWhitey> hmm
[05:31] <BenWhitey> thats what i did
[05:31] <marke> reboot shuts down the OS and makes it re-post from BIOS
[05:31] <dr_willis> K-Ryan,  reasonable i hear.
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: they were crap last time i tried one
[05:31] <BenWhitey> and it seems to have died
[05:31] <kane_> K-Ryan: the ubuntu tells start off 100 buicks cheaper.
[05:32] <ko12upt> im taking it as no one knows how to do this
[05:32] <kane_> K-Ryan: ive had good luck with them, but i normally build my own.
[05:32] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: How long ago was it?
[05:32] <marke> if you decide to toss it send it to me :-)
[05:32] <K-Ryan> kane_: That's kind of an option here, to be honest I've got everything I want but I need a better processor.
[05:32] <marke> I have 4 Dell laptops ... pretty good so far - 6 years later
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: about the height of the dude campaign, a friend had one...forget which model...complete crap
[05:32] <kane_> K-Ryan: i would just pick up another proc then.
[05:32] <ko12upt> this is what im doing anyone intrested in helping me with some questions i have http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/24/f_Screenshotm_af2b97c.png look at this first the bottom is suppose to be a customized pannel but its not its icons put together i want to make a panel from this any help would be appreciated
[05:33] <ko12upt> check this out does anyone know how to turn taht into a panelk
[05:33] <ko12upt> panel
[05:33] <marke> Ben: did you take out the battery and power chord?
[05:33] <K-Ryan> Oh yeah, did I mention my dvd drive is stuck, my cd drive is becoming stuck, and they're riveted in the case...
 no, the battery light is on
[05:33] <K-Ryan> I forget about that sometimes because I'm so used to it not working...
[05:33] <marke> is the machine powered off?
[05:33] <RadiantFire> i'm not sure what exactly do you want ko12upt?
 i don't know
[05:34] <marke> is the drive light on?
 the light is suppsed to go off when its off, but its on
[05:34] <marke> or blinking?
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: riveted!?! wtf is that S***
 the hard drive is not blinking
 it is solid on
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Well the drives aren't, but they're in a section that you can't get them out of.
 it is the battery light
[05:34] <K-Ryan> It's bs
[05:34] <BenWhitey> wait
[05:34] <marke> if you think there's no disk IO and then force it to turn off by holding the power button down for several secs - that might work - it works on Dell
[05:34] <BenWhitey> it is humming
[05:34] <BenWhitey> so it must be on
[05:34] <dr_willis> because it dosent know the words?
[05:34] <BenWhitey> maybe its hybernating
[05:34] <kane_> yeah that works with almost all new computers.
[05:34] <BenWhitey> hibernating
[05:35] <K-Ryan> dr_willis: hahaha
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: that has to be a deliberate tactic to force you to buy a new one when something simple breaks...no other explanation
[05:35] <klobster> ko12upt do you want to add another panel, or custom design a panel?
[05:35] <ko12upt> custom design
[05:35] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Probably
[05:35] <ko12upt> look at that link
[05:35] <ko12upt> this is what im doing anyone intrested in helping me with some questions i have http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/24/f_Screenshotm_af2b97c.png look at this first the bottom is suppose to be a customized pannel but its not its icons put together i want to make a panel from this any help would be appreciated
[05:35] <marke> well if it's doing hibernating then wake it back up and reboot.
[05:35] <BenWhitey> exclelent
[05:35] <BenWhitey> i held down the button and it works
[05:35] <ko12upt> take a look at it thats just a link for now so you can see what im doing
[05:36] <marke> that's a secret - don't tell anyone :-)
[05:36] <adrian> hola
[05:36] <ko12upt> my panel isnt done yet and i need to figure out how to turn it into one
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Hola adrian
[05:36] <kane_> ko
[05:36] <adrian> puedo hacer una consulta?
[05:36] <K-Ryan> !es | adrian
[05:36] <kane_> ko12upt: how are you trying to do that, exactly?
[05:36] <ubotu> adrian: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:36] <adrian> estoy conectandome por un modem usb adsl
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Thought ubotu was broken again...
[05:36] <ko12upt> i need to mask it
[05:37] <ko12upt> but i dont know how
[05:37] <ko12upt> lol kane you like that they are just icons
[05:37] <ko12upt> placed together
[05:37] <BenWhitey> ok, i'm still not on the net
[05:37] <ko12upt> neat effect too bad they dont work yet
[05:37] <BenWhitey> i'll try installing that thingy
[05:38] <BenWhitey> sudo apt-get install wlassistant
[05:38] <ko12upt> this is in gnome so i dont know if you guys know anything about this im
[05:38] <adrian> hola?
[05:38] <K-Ryan> Do you guys think it would be cheaper to get a new motherboard(because the processor probably wouldn't work on the current one), new dvd drive, or just a new computer?
[05:38] <ko12upt> just fustrated no one has any ideas
[05:38] <K-Ryan> !es|adrian
[05:38] <ubotu> adrian: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:38] <ko12upt> and i cant find a tutorial
[05:38] <maltaethiron> Hey, what's the sudo apt-get command for flash?
[05:39] <maltaethiron> for firefox*
[05:39] <kane_> ko12upt: sorry i still dont really understand what you are trying to do per se...
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Err, new motherboard+processor+dvd drive
[05:39] <maltaethiron> like, flash for firefox
[05:39] <adrian> si, si, pero una pregunta, estoy conectado, pero no puedo navegar, hago ping y anda, q puede ser, los DNS andan bien
[05:39] <Sergo-Kubuntu> !time
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <kane_> maltaethiron: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:39] <kane_> i think.
[05:39] <kane_> i always install it via automatix now-a-days.
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Personas de mucho ayuda estan en #kubuntu-es
[05:39] <maltaethiron> thanks
[05:40] <BenWhitey> ok, connecting to my network failed
[05:40] <ko12upt> Kane im trying to turn that into a panel, Right now its just a couple of icons over a transparent panel im trying to turn those images into a panel
[05:40] <BenWhitey> should i manually configure it?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Personas aqui no hablan espanol, lo siento
[05:40] <ko12upt> I just placed them like that so you can get an idea of what it will look like
[05:40] <marke> Ben: I would manually config it and then try restarting the network layer "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop" and start
[05:40] <adrian> ok, gracias
[05:40] <K-Ryan> de nada ;)
[05:40] <marke> or if you use the GUI to do the config then it will restart networking for you
[05:41] <BenWhitey> kk
[05:41] <kane_> ko12upt: i must be stupid, because i dont see any icons in that picture.  Just import down at the bottom.
[05:41] <marke> did you DL wlassistant and try that yet?/
[05:42] <ko12upt> yes
[05:42] <ko12upt> thats an icon
[05:42] <BenWhitey> yeah
[05:42] <BenWhitey> i'm using it now
[05:42] <ko12upt> so is the other one next to it
[05:42] <BenWhitey> what do i put as broadcast? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:42] <marke> OK, I don't know if wlassistant will restart the net - never used it -
[05:42] <ko12upt> thats not a panel i want those images to be a panel
[05:42] <marke> one sec...
[05:42] <kane_> ko12upt: could you not get one of the many docker type applications and just use a custom background?
[05:43] <marke> ya i think it's .255
[05:43] <ko12upt> nope :P im makeing this definate
[05:43] <BenWhitey> ok let me try
[05:43] <kane_> outside of doing that kind of think, i'm thinking you would require some serious coding.
[05:43] <BenWhitey> whats netmask?
[05:43] <BenWhitey> is that subnet mask?
[05:43] <dr_willis> anyone recall the name of this embeded-linux device i saw the other day.. looked sort of like a pillow-deskclock you could program
[05:44] <marke> manual config - oh - right - you can do that but unless you can connect to the router it won't work - most likely.
[05:44] <dr_willis> cumly chumbly chunbely?
[05:44] <marke> netmask is probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: try<PHONE_NUMBER>.0
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> er <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:44] <BenWhitey> yea, well the dhcp connection fails
[05:44] <BenWhitey> yeah
[05:44] <kane_> BenWhitey: can you connect to the network in windows?
[05:45] <kane_> or, does this tablet connect to any other networks?
[05:45] <marke> or do you have another card you can try?
[05:49] <BenWhitey> god
[05:49] <BenWhitey> yes
[05:49] <BenWhitey> sorry my mom was being a BITCH and took over my comptuer so she could write some email
[05:49] <BenWhitey> ok what do i put for domain?
[05:49] <BenWhitey> in windows its fine
[05:49] <BenWhitey> linux is the only issue
[05:49] <BenWhitey> i can scan and see all the networks around
[05:50] <BenWhitey> and i see them in wireless assistant
[05:50] <BenWhitey> but i can't connect
[05:51] <BenWhitey> what do i put for domain?
[05:52] <BenWhitey> no i don't hvae another card
[05:52] <BenWhitey> it works fine in windows
[05:52] <BenWhitey> perfect 48 or 54mbps connection
[05:52] <lascar> nobody knows how toi get root-level access to a kubuntu distro from a live cd?
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: have you tried connecting via the cmd line? seeing what errors get spit out?
[05:52] <marke> that's interesting - could be DHCP problem, maybe. This is a clean install ?
[05:52] <ardchoille> lascar: When running the livecd, just use sudo
[05:53] <BenWhitey> yup
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> reinstall dhcpd?
[05:53] <lascar> not root, but the access to the hd
[05:53] <BenWhitey> its a clean install
[05:53] <K-Ryan> !midi
[05:53] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[05:53] <marke> did you ever check output from dhclient taht someone suggested? I forget
[05:53] <BenWhitey> i didn't type it up
[05:53] <BenWhitey> its soo long
[05:54] <BenWhitey> i'll connect my ethernet and paste it in
[05:54] <ardchoille> lascar: I did this yesterday showing off Ubuntu: sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1 && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[05:54] <BenWhitey> 1sec
[05:54] <kane_> BenWhitey: try typing: dhclient ath0
[05:54] <BenWhitey> so hold up
[05:54] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, midi files, TiMidity++ ?
[05:54] <BenWhitey> should i stop with the manual config with wireless assistant?
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> kane_: i think he meant the paste was to long to hand type out
[05:54] <marke> i would, ya. set it to DHCP.
[05:55] <Sergo-Kubuntu> what is the time now
[05:55] <kane_> no, i know.  Ive had to do it on wireless cards before though, running the dhclient again.
[05:55] <marke> manual config gives your card an addy but the card has nowhere to send traffic. so it doesn't help.
[05:55] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:55] <marke> on wired card that might help, but not wifi
[05:55] <lascar> ardchoille: brb
[05:55] <kane_> BenWhitey: if all else fails you can try ndiswrapper
[05:56] <BenWhitey> ok
[05:56] <klobster> ko12upt: ok you asked a gnome question in a kde channel, but I almost have an answer for you so hold on
[05:56] <ko12upt> klobster k
[05:57] <ko12upt> thanks sorry i have three channels open and im a little tired :)
[05:57] <marke> ndiswrapper is a wrapper for Windows drivers isn't it?
[05:57] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/909jrw12.html
[05:57] <ko12upt> yes
[05:57] <BenWhitey> damn it, i typed it wrong
[05:57] <ko12upt> marke it uses the windows drivers ndiswrapper -i then the driver
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Is there a system behind how people's names get colored in Konversation? I've noticed that people always have the same color name?
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Err, the second part wasn't a question.
[05:58] <ko12upt> marke it has to be an .inf file though and if there are cabinets you need to extract them
[05:58] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/909Jrw12.html
[05:58] <ko12upt> using unshield
[05:58] <BenWhitey> there we go
[05:58] <Jack333> hwo do i change the default midi port to timidity
[05:59] <Jack333> like when i try to play midi, i hear nothing , but if i use a command for timidity and then set the program to timidity port, it works
[05:59] <Jack333> but this one midi app i have doesnt let me select alternate ports
[05:59] <Jack333> so how can i make timidity the default midi port/player thing
[06:00] <marke> you don't happen to have a firewall blocking port 67 do you ben?
[06:00] <ko12upt> BenWhitey do this iwconfig
[06:00] <ko12upt> and paste out the file
[06:00] <klobster> ko12upt: I don't know much about gnome, but I believe this should point the way for you: http://www.natewelch.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=41
[06:00] <BenWhitey> i don't think so
[06:01] <BenWhitey> you mean in kubuntu?
[06:01] <ko12upt> and paste out the input to pastebin
[06:01] <ko12upt> BenWhitey iwconfig then paste out the read out to pastebin
[06:02] <klobster> ko12upt: elseif install avant?
[06:02] <ko12upt> klobster
[06:02] <ko12upt> think that just might work
[06:02] <oldwest> Hi All - trying to watch Divx using Firefox - Have following players etc. installed - running edgy - Gxine - Kaffeine w/mozilla plugins - KMplayer - Mplayer - VLC Media Player - Xine movie player w/mozilla PLUGINS _ w32codecs - Any idea's - Not sure what to try next ? ? ?
[06:02] <ko12upt> ill leave the panel below it and see if i can make it work
[06:02] <BenWhitey> wtf, pastebin isn't working
[06:03] <marke> ya - if you did a default install there's nothing block port 67 - do iwconfig and paste the output, ko12upt suggested.
[06:03] <ko12upt> ben where does it say you have a connection
[06:03] <kane_> oldwest: i think you need mplayerplug-in
[06:03] <BenWhitey> ath0
[06:03] <ko12upt> theres your problem
[06:03] <BenWhitey> 1 Mb/s connection
[06:04] <ko12upt> iwconfig ath0 essid then your essid
[06:04] <BenWhitey> 802.11g
[06:04] <BenWhitey> ive done that
[06:04] <BenWhitey> it says the essid in iwconfig
[06:04] <oldwest> kane - have mplayer and all dependencies i believe
[06:04] <ko12upt> iwconfig ath0 key restricted then key here
[06:04] <BenWhitey> open network
[06:04] <kane_> no, mplayerplug-in is the mozilla plugin for mplayer.
[06:04] <ko12upt> iwconfig ath0 mode Managed
[06:04] <ko12upt> Ben then do this
[06:04] <BenWhitey> its already managed
[06:05] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/QgoyPC81.html
[06:05] <ko12upt> iwconfig ath0 essid and type it here iwconfig ath0 mode Managed then type dhcpcd ath0
[06:05] <ko12upt> your done
[06:05] <ko12upt> ben just do that
[06:05] <ko12upt> or if dhcpcd doesnt work
[06:05] <ko12upt> do ifdown ath0
[06:05] <BenWhitey> ive done all that before
[06:05] <ko12upt> then do ifup ath0
[06:05] <klobster> ko12upt: leave the panel below?  It looked like it would use your custom graphic AS the panel, no?
[06:05] <BenWhitey> i'm happy to do it again
[06:06] <ko12upt> yea
[06:06] <ko12upt> klobster it will
[06:06] <BenWhitey> did you look at my iwconfig ?
[06:06] <ko12upt> hold on
[06:06] <klobster> ko12upt: oh.  Actually thats a neat idea, i may have to look into it for the K'
[06:06] <ko12upt> BenWhitey jsut do as i say
[06:06] <BenWhitey> hah
[06:06] <ko12upt> trust me
[06:06] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:06] <BenWhitey> i'll try it
[06:06] <ko12upt> yea
[06:07] <oldwest> kane - what should i search for in synapitics?
[06:07] <ko12upt> thats just saying that your wireless is working
[06:07] <ko12upt> or your eth is working
[06:07] <ko12upt> if you type that out it will work
[06:07] <ko12upt> klobster like that hu
[06:07] <kane_> oldwest: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer should do it.
[06:07] <ko12upt> and i did the graphics with gimp
[06:08] <ko12upt> Klobster you should be able to do it in kubuntu add a panel remove the old one make the new panel transparent then make some icons like i did
[06:08] <ko12upt> and adjust them to your needs
[06:09] <BenWhitey> ok it didn't work
[06:09] <BenWhitey> i'll give you the full paste
[06:09] <klobster> yeah, it seemed simple enough after reading that.  I really liked the background, you did that yourself?
[06:10] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/iyqXtV50.html
[06:10] <ko12upt> BenWhitey iwconfig ath0 essid unique then  iwconfig ath0 mode Managed then dhcpcd ath0 if dhcpcd isnt there then this step sudo apt-get install dhcpcd then do the dhcpcd ath0
[06:10] <BenWhitey> i did
[06:10] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:10] <BenWhitey> i'll apt-get it
[06:10] <BenWhitey> did you look at my paste?
[06:10] <ko12upt> BenWhitey
[06:10] <ko12upt> sudo apt-get install dhcpcd
[06:11] <BenWhitey> ok done
[06:11] <BenWhitey> installed it
[06:11] <ko12upt> then follow above
[06:11] <BenWhitey> let me redo those commands
[06:11] <ko12upt> hold on
[06:11] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:11] <ko12upt> before you get to dhcpcd do this ifdown ath0
[06:11] <BenWhitey> kk
[06:13] <BenWhitey> should i disconnect my ethernet for this?
[06:13] <BenWhitey> would it make a difference?
[06:13] <BenWhitey> trying to connect to the router wireless when i'm already conneced via wire
[06:13] <ko12upt> no
[06:13] <ko12upt> its fine
[06:13] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:14] <BenWhitey> well i typed in: sudo dhcpcd ath0
[06:14] <BenWhitey> and it looks like its frozen
[06:14] <BenWhitey> up no
[06:14] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:14] <BenWhitey> done
[06:14] <ko12upt> :)
[06:14] <BenWhitey> now what?
[06:14] <BenWhitey> iwconfig?
[06:14] <ko12upt> your connected
[06:14] <marke> lol
[06:14] <BenWhitey> i don't thinks o
[06:14] <ko12upt> marke all from gnome
[06:14] <kane_> type ifconfig
[06:14] <kane_> see if youre wifi gets an address
[06:14] <kane_> er your.
[06:14] <ko12upt> kane hes is using dhcpcd
[06:15] <kane_> aahhh, so he is.
[06:15] <ko12upt> :)_
[06:15] <ko12upt> i changed him over i find that ifup messes up sometimes
[06:15] <ko12upt> also told him to do a ifdown
[06:15] <BenWhitey> um
[06:15] <kane_> yeah ive had issues.
[06:15] <BenWhitey> i'm not connected
[06:15] <marke> doh
[06:15] <ko12upt> lol
[06:15] <kane_> heh.
[06:16] <ko12upt> hold on
[06:16] <BenWhitey> i can't ping my router
[06:16] <BenWhitey> i unpluged my ethernet
[06:16] <ko12upt> and
[06:16] <BenWhitey> and i typed:
[06:16] <BenWhitey> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:16] <BenWhitey> and its unreachable
[06:16] <BenWhitey> wtf
[06:16] <ko12upt> did you try to connect to the internet
[06:16] <BenWhitey> but in wireless assitant it says i'm connected
[06:16] <oldwest> kane - are u still there - had to answer phone - went and checked synaptics for mozilla-mplayer - synaptics shows it's installed - any other idea's?
[06:17] <ko12upt> yes you are
[06:17] <marke> now i'm confused 8)
[06:17] <ko12upt> hes a numb nut lol
[06:17] <BenWhitey> i don't think so
[06:17] <ko12upt> no offense
[06:17] <marke> could be this fourth margarita - dunno - gotta have another to figure it out
[06:17] <ko12upt> ben does it say your connected
[06:17] <BenWhitey> i'm trying to ping google now
[06:17] <BenWhitey> yes
[06:18] <BenWhitey> but i'm not
[06:18] <BenWhitey> i don't thinks
[06:18] <BenWhitey> a tleast
[06:18] <marke> try the browser
[06:18] <ko12upt> well unplug the eth
[06:18] <BenWhitey> yeah
[06:18] <BenWhitey> i did
[06:18] <BenWhitey> thats why i'm not connected
[06:18] <ko12upt> then try connecting to the net
[06:18] <BenWhitey> "an error has occured while loading page http://www.google.com"
[06:18] <BenWhitey> oh
[06:18] <BenWhitey> my ip is 169 now
[06:18] <BenWhitey> maybe thats why
[06:18] <ko12upt> omg
[06:19] <BenWhitey> i'll manually set it
[06:19] <BenWhitey> ok?
[06:19] <ko12upt> all the commands i gave you should work
[06:19] <BenWhitey> well
[06:19] <ko12upt> yes manually configure
[06:19] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:19] <BenWhitey> i think i have to disconnect first
[06:19] <BenWhitey> to then reconnect
[06:19] <BenWhitey> ok?
[06:20] <BenWhitey> or should i manually set my ip via console
[06:20] <ko12upt> how bout this
[06:20] <ko12upt> restart the computer
[06:20] <ko12upt> aww hold on
[06:20] <ko12upt> did you do a ndiswrapper -m too
[06:20] <BenWhitey> i'm using madwifi
[06:21] <BenWhitey> i don't have ndiswrapper
[06:21] <ko12upt> aww okay restart the computer
[06:21] <ko12upt> should work when it boots again
[06:22] <ko12upt> :)
[06:22] <BenWhitey> wtf
[06:22] <BenWhitey> something happened to my computer
[06:22] <BenWhitey> its the same thign as before
[06:22] <BenWhitey> hte screen isn't loading
[06:22] <BenWhitey> there was the loading screen for kubuntu
[06:22] <BenWhitey> and now its black
[06:23] <oscar> how do i find what wireless driver is being used
[06:23] <ko12upt> hmm
[06:23] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:23] <BenWhitey> i held down the power button
[06:23] <BenWhitey> it shutdown
[06:24] <BenWhitey> and i turned it back on
[06:24] <ko12upt> okay
[06:24] <BenWhitey> loading kubuntu, lets hope it works
[06:24] <ko12upt> k
[06:24] <BenWhitey> in the future, i will not "restart" only shutdown
[06:24] <ko12upt> :)
[06:24] <BenWhitey> and then turn on
[06:25] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:25] <BenWhitey> i'm in kubuntu
[06:25] <BenWhitey> now what?
[06:25] <ko12upt> okay
[06:25] <ko12upt> check your connections tab
[06:25] <ko12upt> see if its connected
[06:26] <BenWhitey> no it doesn't
[06:26] <BenWhitey> i'm "connecting"
[06:26] <ko12upt> k
[06:26] <BenWhitey> in wireless assitant
[06:26] <BenWhitey> "connection failed"
[06:26] <ko12upt> hm
[06:26] <ko12upt> okay this is how i see it
[06:26] <ko12upt> your driver is working for one its finding your network
[06:27] <ko12upt> something is stopping the connection
[06:27] <ko12upt> firewall?
[06:27] <oscar> is there other networks you could try connecting to.  (Just a thought)
[06:27] <BenWhitey> does kubuntu have one built in?
[06:27] <ko12upt> yes
[06:27] <BenWhitey> they are encryped
[06:27] <BenWhitey> how do i turn this ish off
[06:27] <ko12upt> !firewall
[06:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:27] <ko12upt> :)
[06:28] <BenWhitey> would a firewall on my laptop stop it from connecting to my router?
[06:28] <marke> yikes - forget the iptables command - use Firestarter instead
[06:29] <BenWhitey> firestarter is not installed
[06:29] <marke> it could if it blocks port 97 - doesn't block it on my system with no firewall mods
[06:29] <marke> you have to install firestarter
[06:29] <oscar> do you have access to your router from a different computer
[06:29] <marke> it's a GUI control for iptables - pretty simple to use
[06:29] <BenWhitey> yeah
[06:30] <BenWhitey> im on my wireless network on this computer (in windows)
[06:30] <ko12upt> okay benWhitey
[06:30] <oscar> log into your router and open it completely up.  No wep or anything.
[06:30] <BenWhitey> no wep no encryption
[06:30] <BenWhitey> trust me
[06:30] <BenWhitey> its all open
[06:30] <ko12upt> do you have the windows drivers for that driver
[06:30] <BenWhitey> no mac filters
[06:30] <ko12upt> err
[06:30] <oscar> oh dang
[06:30] <ko12upt> hardware
[06:30] <BenWhitey> no nothing
[06:31] <BenWhitey> you could drive up to my house ans start using it (that is if you could get yoru wifi driver to work)
[06:31] <oscar> ha ha.
[06:31] <BenWhitey> its the wrt54g
[06:31] <ko12upt> if you can find something for that driver using windows i suggest highly you use the ndiswrapper
[06:31] <BenWhitey> its an older version
[06:31] <oscar> can someone help me find out what driver i am using for my wireless?
[06:31] <BenWhitey> shoudln't the madwifi drivers work?
[06:32] <Jack333> can someoen tell me if i can change the default midi driver to timidity?
[06:32] <ko12upt> i wouldnt trust it just see if you can find is if one thing isnt working try something else
[06:32] <ko12upt> oh im tired
[06:32] <BenWhitey> is this multicast?
[06:33] <oscar> no
[06:33] <BenWhitey> i'm filtering multicast on my router, but i think thats ISP related
[06:33] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:34] <BenWhitey> hmm
[06:35] <BenWhitey> how do i find my ip of my computer
[06:35] <BenWhitey> i could try pinging it from my router
[06:35] <oscar> sudo ifconfig
[06:36] <BenWhitey> well, all my IP stuff for the thing is wrong
[06:36] <BenWhitey> 169.*.*.*
[06:36] <BenWhitey> wrong mask
[06:38] <BenWhitey> any ideas?
[06:38] <BenWhitey> haha
[06:38] <BenWhitey> he just left
[06:38] <BenWhitey> didn't even say good bye
[06:38] <BenWhitey> haha
[06:38] <BenWhitey> he gave up
[06:39] <marke> Ben, how far are you from the router?
[06:39] <BenWhitey> its down stairs?
[06:39] <BenWhitey> but i have an ethernet cable
[06:39] <BenWhitey> why?
[06:39] <Jack333> isnt there anyway to change the default midi driver to use timidity?
[06:39] <BenWhitey> want me to give it a good whack with a big stick
[06:40] <marke> no - i was wondering about signal strength.
[06:40] <BenWhitey> ah
[06:40] <BenWhitey> eh
[06:40] <BenWhitey> i could try going downstiars
[06:40] <BenWhitey> it says the signal strenght is good
[06:40] <marke> i wonder if it would work if you took the laptop right over to the router....
[06:40] <BenWhitey> like 2 and a half stars
[06:40] <BenWhitey> can't hurt to try
[06:40] <marke> take it downstairs just for grins and try again to connect
[06:41] <BenWhitey> in wiundows i get "very good" or "exclelent" strength and its at 48mbps or 54mbps
[06:41] <BenWhitey> ok brb
[06:44] <BenWhitey> nope
[06:44] <BenWhitey> doesn't help
[06:44] <BenWhitey> what abou tthis
[06:44] <BenWhitey> in K Network Manager
[06:44] <BenWhitey> it has a thing which is "trusted wireless networks" and "restricted wireless networks"
[06:44] <BenWhitey> i have no networks in either of them
[06:44] <BenWhitey> maybe thats the problem
[06:45] <marke> dunno - maybe put your router in the trusted
[06:45] <BenWhitey> i can't
[06:45] <BenWhitey> i don't know how
[06:45] <BenWhitey> the buttons are "ok" "cancel" and "remove item"
[06:46] <marke> oh -
[06:46] <marke> really odd that it won't grab an address - got another wifi card to try?
[06:47] <BenWhitey> nope
[06:47] <BenWhitey> i'll try manually congiruing the address
[06:47] <BenWhitey> what do i put for domain?
[06:47] <BenWhitey> do i put my router's ip?
[06:47] <marke> router ip is the gateway
[06:47] <eljefe> leave domain blank
[06:48] <BenWhitey> yeah
[06:48] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:48] <BenWhitey> what about primay dns, should i grab those from my router?
[06:48] <marke> ya
[06:48] <marke> or use your router as the DNS address es
[06:49] <BenWhitey> nope
[06:49] <BenWhitey> nothing
[06:49] <marke> damn
[06:49] <marke> i'm at a loss right about now
[06:50] <eljefe> what kind of wifi card is it?
[06:50] <marke> AR5212 Atheros
[06:50] <BenWhitey> atheros
[06:50] <eljefe> and its not autodetected?
[06:50] <BenWhitey> it is autodetected
[06:50] <eljefe> does it come up when you run 'lspci' ?
[06:50] <BenWhitey> i just can't connect
[06:50] <BenWhitey> yeah
[06:51] <eljefe> are you at a command prompt?
[06:51] <BenWhitey> sure
[06:51] <eljefe> what is the result of ifconfig -a (is it wifi0 or eth0 or eth1 or ?)
[06:51] <BenWhitey> want me to type out that line?
[06:52] <hendaus> hiya all
[06:52] <eljefe> heya
[06:52] <BenWhitey> well
[06:52] <hendaus> eljefe:  how r u
[06:52] <BenWhitey> now there is all this stuff there
[06:52] <BenWhitey> i donno
[06:52] <BenWhitey> i'll paste it and let you look
[06:52] <khirr> how can i mount a iso?
[06:52] <eljefe> BenWhitey: of scroll up with a mouse (or with [shift] [page up] ) and find the words on the left, is there a wifi0 or eth0 or something?
[06:53] <marke> his card shows up at ath0
[06:53] <BenWhitey> yah, ath0
[06:53] <eljefe> ok thanks :)
[06:53] <BenWhitey> but ther eis wifi0 stuff also
[06:53] <hendaus> can anyone help me with program nokia 6230 , i want to transfer images
[06:53] <marke> typical for Atheros
[06:53] <BenWhitey> lol
[06:53] <eljefe> marke: did youse go through iwconfig ath0 -essid _____ ?
[06:53] <khirr> !iso
[06:53] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:53] <khirr> !mount iso
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mount iso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <BenWhitey> not -essid, ive only used essid
[06:54] <eljefe> ok maybe thats it
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> !iso > khirr
[06:54] <marke> i didn't - someone else might have - i don't remember
[06:54] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/lAlit394.html
[06:54] <Etokura> Where in my BIOS settings can I change the transition method of the hard drive
[06:54] <hendaus> helpers!!  can anyone help me with program nokia 6230 , i want to transfer images
[06:55] <khirr> but , where is the mountpoint
[06:55] <eljefe> so run 'sudo iwconfig ath0 essid Ben'sAccess'
[06:55] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/IAlit394.html
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> Etokura: depends on your bios
[06:55] <BenWhitey> ugh i cna't figure out what this letter is
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> khirr: wherever you want, more or less
[06:55] <Etokura> I'm on a Dell
[06:55] <Etokura> I can't find the option anywhere
[06:55] <frank_> looking for a rpm and tar program that converts them to deb packages?? i can remeber what its called?
[06:55] <Etokura> I got that "Error loading operating system" message, and I';m trying to fix it
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> who was asking me about Dells earlier...:)
[06:55] <khirr> uhmm
[06:55] <eljefe> khirr: what do you mean, where is the mount point?
[06:56] <khirr> one example
[06:56] <khirr> uhmm
[06:56] <khirr>  /media
[06:56] <khirr> how can i d for that appear there?
[06:56] <klobster> frank: alien?
[06:56] <eljefe> to mount an ISO, make a new directory anywhere (like /home/khirr/isomount) and then that can be your mount point
[06:56] <eljefe> a mount point can be anywhere
[06:56] <frank_> klo
[06:56] <BenWhitey> ifconfig -a [06:56] <eljefe> khirr: mkdir /media/isomount
[06:56] <frank_> ok
[06:57] <eljefe> then use that as your mount point
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> Etokura: how many hdd's? just the one?
[06:57] <Etokura> Yeah
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> Etokura: did grub install properly?
[06:57] <khirr> thnx
[06:57] <eljefe> BenWhitey: it says that you have an IP Address of <IP_ADDRESS>, is it worng?
[06:57] <Etokura> Yeah
[06:58] <frank_> its in the synaptic packager right? using kunbuntu? so i must download it first correct??
[06:58] <Etokura> I've had the kubuntu installation for a few months
[06:58] <BenWhitey> no
[06:58] <BenWhitey> i think i manually configured it to that
[06:58] <BenWhitey> but i can't ping my router
[06:58] <eljefe> ah ok
[06:58] <BenWhitey> or get on the web
[06:58] <Etokura> I tried installing windows on a separate partition, then I got the error
[06:58] <eljefe> ok then back at the command prompt type : 'sudo dhclient ath0'
[06:58] <BenWhitey> eljefe: maybe i can't connect because its not on my "trusted" wireless networks
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> Etokura: the attempted win install probably wiped out grub
[06:59] <BenWhitey> do you know how to get it there???
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> !grub | Etokura
[06:59] <ubotu> Etokura: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:59] <eljefe> and then let me know if ifconfig -a gives a different IP for ath0.
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> Etokura: follow the link from ubotu, should show you how to fix it
[06:59] <Etokura> I'll try that
[06:59] <eljefe> BenWhitey: I am sorry, I don't klnow how to get it there.  I've not actually used the KNetwork MAnagr for wifi
[07:00] <klobster> frank: yup
[07:00] <eljefe> BenWhitey: can you right-click an untrrusted network and change t to trusted?
[07:00] <BenWhitey> there are no networks in ether
[07:00] <eljefe> BenWhitey: is your network locked with a password/passphrase/key ?
[07:01] <BenWhitey> nope
[07:01] <BenWhitey> open, no mac filtering
[07:01] <BenWhitey> no encryptpion
[07:01] <eljefe> BenWhitey: are you sure that you can get a signal where you're at?
[07:01] <BenWhitey> yup
[07:01] <BenWhitey> i tried going downstairs
[07:01] <Dr_willis> dang it. got a sd memory card. that windows and linxu both are having a hard time reading.. tried writing stuff to it from windows and 'filled it up' havent been able to access it since
[07:01] <BenWhitey> and i'm on wifi on this comptuer
[07:01] <eljefe> of what does sudo dhclient ath0 do?
[07:01] <BenWhitey> with an older card and antenna
[07:01] <Dr_willis> cant even fdisk -l the thing
[07:01] <BenWhitey> i'll paste it in
[07:01] <Dr_willis> any ideas?
[07:01] <eljefe> what does sudo dhclient wifi0 do? (wifi0 is also on your list of ifconfig -a)
[07:02] <eljefe> Dr_willis: sounds corrupted or dead to me
[07:03] <BenWhitey> 1sec
[07:03] <Dr_willis> eljefe,  yea annoying. been using it all week.
[07:03] <eljefe> Dr_willis: look into ddrescue or dd_rescue (diferent) if there is something that you need to recover
[07:03] <Dr_willis> eljefe,  not really just videos for playint on my mnedia player
[07:03] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/fksIjC35.html
[07:04] <eljefe> BenWhitey: not sure if this is related, but my laptop cannot have two wifi signals going at once.  both are pcmcia cards.  i can plug both in, but only one actually does any of the work...
[07:04] <BenWhitey> i only ahve one wifi card
[07:04] <BenWhitey> i'm not sure why thre is a thing for wifi0
[07:04] <BenWhitey> it wasn't there before i did what that other guy told me to do
[07:05] <BenWhitey> he told me to install dhclient or something
[07:05] <BenWhitey> wifi0 can't connect
[07:05] <BenWhitey> it also says "wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801"
[07:05] <eljefe> dhclient is a good thing, its to get an ethernet address
[07:05] <eljefe> yes i'd say that seems to be an issue
[07:06] <justin_> If I use bittorrent for a while or if I transfer large files with sftp, the computer slows to a crawl and looses connection
[07:06] <eljefe> and when you run dhclient ath0 it actually calls wifi0 so those look to be the same
[07:06] <BenWhitey> yes, i supose it does
[07:07] <eljefe> what happens if you pull out the card, wait a few seconds, put it back in, wait a few seconds, and then run 'dmesg' ? what are the last few lines of dmesg ? any errors there?
[07:07] <BenWhitey> never done that
[07:07] <BenWhitey> its on board
[07:07] <BenWhitey> built in
[07:07] <eljefe> ah
[07:08] <BenWhitey> its like centrino or something
[07:08] <eljefe> do you know if you have the right drivers installed?
[07:08] <BenWhitey> i'm using madwifi
[07:08] <BenWhitey> i can scan
[07:08] <BenWhitey> for networks
[07:08] <BenWhitey> and see them
[07:08] <eljefe> oh?
[07:08] <BenWhitey> i just can't connect to them
[07:09] <fignew> eljefe: I've come across the two wireless cards at once limitation too...
[07:09] <eljefe> what is your network's name?
[07:09] <BenWhitey> unique
[07:09] <fignew> justin_: put a limit the BT upload speed
[07:09] <dsmith_> in ordder for a partition to be functional it must be marked as active?
[07:10] <fignew> BenWhitey: wifi0 is a virtual device
[07:10] <fignew> use ath0 instead
[07:10] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:10] <BenWhitey> it doesn't help though, i still can't connect
[07:10] <eljefe> BenWhitey: try: 'sudo ifconfig ath0 up && sudo iwconfig ath0 essid unique && sudo dhclient ath0 '
[07:10] <eljefe> (cut and paste that)
[07:10] <eljefe> (no quotes)
[07:11] <BenWhitey> laptop is next to me
[07:11] <eljefe> lol ok
[07:11] <eljefe> aah
[07:11] <BenWhitey> but i'll type it out right
[07:11] <BenWhitey> i'm a good typer
[07:11] <eljefe> well, type it i guess :)
[07:11] <justin_> fignew: no bittorrent isn't the problem. I transfered a 700MB file using sftp and the computer still slowed. The mouse was jerking.
[07:11] <BenWhitey> i plug in the ethernet to paste then unplug it to type the commands
[07:11] <BenWhitey> i type it with the &&?
[07:11] <fignew> && or ;
[07:12] <defcon_> im having problems with truecrypt in ubuntu, when I run some files off the truecrypt volume and then try and dismount it wont, is there any way at all the force dismount? or is there a better encryption product to use?
[07:12] <eljefe> i just got into QuickSynergy, you can share a mouse and a keyboard with two totally different computers (like a linux laptop and windows desktop) and share their clipboard!  but both need a network connection ;
[07:12] <defcon_> i work in a hostile environment and need to force dismount
[07:12] <fignew> defcon_: cd out of the dir?
[07:12] <eljefe> BenWhitey: the && means 'finish the first command then move to the next'
[07:12] <BenWhitey> thats nifty
[07:13] <defcon_> fignew, wont work for some reason
[07:13] <BenWhitey> ok, i'll paste it into rafb
[07:13] <defcon_> found a bug
[07:13] <fdoving> defcon_: yes, 'umount -l /dev/device'
[07:13] <fignew> justin_: the computer is slow _after_ you transfered the file? or during it
[07:13] <eljefe> defcon_: bug?  report it!
[07:13] <defcon_> umount works?
[07:13] <defcon_> i will
[07:13] <defcon_> ;]
[07:13] <eljefe> cool
[07:14] <fignew> defcon_: 1 sec
[07:14] <defcon_> ok
[07:14] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/hSrKs188.html
[07:15] <justin_> fignew: it seems to be after I transfer a few 100MB, at least for sftp. It happens about 45mins after I use bittorent
[07:15] <defcon_> fdoving, how do I find the device in dev which is my truecrypt file
[07:15] <defcon_> that mounted
[07:15] <fdoving> defcon_: you can use the file as an argument too, i guess.
[07:15] <fignew> defcon_: fuser -u -m /mount/point
[07:15] <fignew> that'll tell you what's using the filesystem
[07:16] <eljefe> BenWhitey: is the laptop wired to the internet?
[07:16] <defcon_> ok
[07:16] <fignew> and keeping you from unmounting it
[07:16] <BenWhitey> not when i type the commands
[07:16] <fdoving> defcon_: you can use the file or the mountpoint.
[07:16] <BenWhitey> i unplug it to type the commands, then plug in the ethernet to paste it
[07:16] <defcon_> fignew, what is fuser
[07:17] <fignew> BenWhitey: what does iwconfig ath0 say ?
[07:17] <fignew> thomas@ambient:~$ whatis fuser
[07:17] <fignew> fuser (1)            - identify processes using files or sockets
[07:17] <defcon_> ./MOUNTDIR:             5966c(root)
[07:18] <defcon_> fignew, so then how do I force the dismount
[07:18] <defcon_> kill the proc?
[07:18] <fignew> find out what it is first ;)
[07:18] <eljefe> can you try this (note: we are TURNING OFF your wired connection; to turn it back on you plug in and type 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up && sudo dhclient eth0' ) but try this first: 'sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>'
[07:18] <defcon_> 5966c(root)
[07:18] <fdoving> defcon_: didn't 'umount -l /mount/point' work?
[07:18] <defcon_> i'll try
[07:18] <eljefe> THEN try : sudo dhclient aht0- '
[07:18] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/Cv60gZ79.html
[07:19] <defcon_> fdoving, nope
[07:19] <eljefe> THEN try : sudo dhclient ath0' (no dash and spelled correctly)
[07:19] <fdoving> defcon_: what does it say?
[07:19] <defcon_> not mounted
[07:19] <BenWhitey> wait
[07:19] <BenWhitey> so how do i turn off my wired connection?
[07:19] <Moniker42> hey, how do you load scripts in Konversation?
[07:19] <defcon_> yo
[07:19] <defcon_> it worked
[07:19] <BenWhitey> unplug the wire?
[07:19] <defcon_> thankyou
[07:19] <defcon_> had to cd ..
[07:20] <fignew> BenWhitey: no encryption
[07:20] <justin_> fignew: I used sftp to transfer 2 700MB files from another computer to this one. When I got back to this computer it was already slow.
[07:20] <fignew> ?
[07:20] <BenWhitey> no encryption
[07:20] <BenWhitey> no mac filtering
[07:20] <BenWhitey> open netowrk
[07:20] <fignew> [01:11]  <fignew> defcon_: cd out of the dir?
[07:20] <fignew> :P
[07:20] <Moniker42> BenWhitey: that would work
[07:20] <eljefe> to turn it off: sudo ifconfig eth0 down' and to turn it on 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up && sudo dhclient eth0'
[07:20] <Moniker42> anyone know how to load scripts in Konversation?
[07:20] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:20] <defcon_> yo got another prob
[07:21] <defcon_> truecrypt thinks its still  mounted
[07:21] <BenWhitey> then ive been doing all of the commands with it "off" or unplugged
[07:21] <defcon_> root@ion:/pentest# truecrypt -l
[07:21] <defcon_> /dev/mapper/truecrypt0 //movie.avi
[07:21] <eljefe> what i want you to do is: turn off the wired, add the gateway for your wireless router, try to get a newtowrk adress for your ath0; if all this fails, you'll turn on the eth0 again
[07:21] <justin_> fignew: I don't get this problem when I just web browse. It only happens when transfering files either with bittorrent of sftp.
[07:21] <defcon_> i did umount -l but now truecrypt thinks its still  mounted
[07:21] <BenWhitey> kk
[07:21] <eljefe> off and unplugged i guess :)  we want to try to force the ath0 to get an adddress
[07:22] <fignew> justin_: no idea :/
[07:22] <fignew> could be a driver program?
[07:22] <fignew> justin_: what program are you using?
[07:22] <defcon_> brb
[07:23] <heyholmez> hi
[07:23] <BenWhitey> i typed in: sudo eth0 down && sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> and i got this in response: "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable"
[07:23] <justin_> fignew: I have the problem using Azureus, KTorrent and ressently sftp.
[07:23] <eljefe> how about the same, but with <IP_ADDRESS> instead?
[07:24] <BenWhitey> thats not my router's address
[07:24] <BenWhitey> its <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:24] <BenWhitey> not 0.1
[07:24] <eljefe> ok :)
[07:24] <fignew> Justin, how's ram?
[07:24] <heyholmez> ive got a 32bit copy of the latest kubuntu.  I have a 64bit hp laptop.  Should I get 64bit kubuntu, or would I be better off just installing 32bit
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> BenWhitey: does it sit on 1.0? linksys, right?
[07:24] <fignew> heyholmez: stick with 32 bit
[07:24] <BenWhitey> hitmanwilly: you mean my router? i'm not sure, its old
[07:24] <BenWhitey> hitmanwilly: 2004 firmware i think
[07:24] <eljefe> nothing is x.x.x.0
[07:24] <Lynoure> defcon_: isn't that to be expected? doesn't truecrypt use it's own commands for unmounting too
[07:25] <BenWhitey> Firmware Version: v3.03.6
[07:25] <heyholmez> is there any difference in performance>
[07:25] <heyholmez> ?
[07:25] <BenWhitey> guess not
[07:25] <BenWhitey> but its not v5.0
[07:25] <eljefe> BenWhitey: you may want to try joining /join #madwifi or /join #networking in IRC :(   I don't seem to be helping you
[07:26] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:26] <BenWhitey> i tried madwifi earlier
[07:26] <defcon_> Lynoure, yea, but it wont force unmount with a process still running
[07:26] <BenWhitey> nobody really responded
[07:26] <BenWhitey> i'll try networking tomorrow
[07:26] <fignew> BenWhitey: do your other PCs use DHCP?
[07:26] <BenWhitey> i'm tired
[07:26] <eljefe> or, ask again, someone here may know better or may have just joined in
[07:26] <defcon_> id like to be able to --force it
[07:26] <BenWhitey> no, but they could
[07:26] <eljefe> BenWhitey: me too
[07:26] <BenWhitey> i'm using dchp right now on my wireless windows comptuer
[07:26] <BenWhitey> i usually use static with ethernet
[07:26] <defcon_> Lynoure, u recommend something better than truecrypt?
[07:26] <BenWhitey> but i unpluged the LAN so i could use it on my laptop
[07:27] <BenWhitey> my router is a dchp server
[07:27] <eljefe> BenWhitey: you could try to install and use the gnome networkmanager
[07:27] <fignew> eljefe: ???
[07:27] <BenWhitey> i have knetworkmanager
[07:27] <fignew> this is the Kubuntu channel :P
[07:27] <BenWhitey> kubuntu
[07:27] <eljefe> i think Ubuntu gets more attention than the Kubuntu disto, it may have a better setup :(
[07:27] <BenWhitey> lol
[07:27] <Lynoure> defcon_: you make a little script that kills the processes, and then unmounts it, but that could be damageprone...
[07:27] <fignew> BenWhitey: what does knetworkmanager do?
[07:27] <BenWhitey> not sure
[07:27] <fignew> does it show the network?