[12:29] <keb> hehe
[12:39] <Chil1> Hello, does anyone mind helping me figure out what is wrong with my amarok...exaile! doesn't work very well, but amarok won't play any songs.
[12:40] <maxamillion> does exaile work?
[12:41] <Chil1> max: It was buggy on my system, I'm running all of my songs off of an external HD, and it would recognize them, but it would slow the system WAY down.
[12:43] <maxamillion> Chil1: ahhh ... yeah, running songs off an external hard drive through exaile might slow a thing or two down ... not sure what all python has to go through for external storage access
[12:50] <Chil1> Hmm, I can't figure out what codecs I need to install.
[12:51] <Pumpernickel> Edgy?
[12:51] <maxamillion> grab em' all :P
[12:51] <Chil1> Feisty
[12:51] <Chil1> I don't know where to grab em O.o
[12:52] <Pumpernickel> !info libxine1-plugins feisty
[12:52] <ubotu> libxine1-plugins: the xine video/media player library, meta package. In component main, is extra. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:54] <Chil1> Pumpernickel: Thanks, that should work.
[12:56] <stimz> right back again, does anyone know how to place filesystem and home directory icons on the XFCE desktop in 6.10? Young'n is a little linux illiterate
[12:58] <stimz> No?
[12:58] <Chil1> No idea stimz, I'm new to xubuntu as well.
[12:58] <stimz> what do you think of it Chil1?
[12:59] <Chil1> I like it, this is the second day I've really used it, or any ubuntu for that matter, and its pretty smooth.
[12:59] <stimz> nice, how long have you used Linux?
[12:59] <Chil1> Equally as long.
[12:59] <stimz> Hey! WELCOME!
[01:00] <stimz> Good job.
[01:00] <BFTD> heh
[01:00] <Chil1> Haha, thanks.
[01:00] <maxamillion> stimz: Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->User Interface::Icon Theme Tab
[01:01] <stimz> Seriously Chil1 a very hearty welcome, the world of linux is an amazing adventure! congrats on taking the leap!
[01:01] <stimz> (thanks maxa)
[01:01] <BFTD> stimz open terminal > ln -s / ~/Desktop
[01:01] <Chil1> Well, I haven't made a full leap yet, I'm dual booting O.o
[01:01] <BFTD> ln -s ~ ~/Desktop
[01:01] <keb> hehe
[01:02] <stimz> BFTD: thanks
[01:02] <BFTD> stimz no problem
[01:02] <maxamillion> Chil1: that's one step away .... you can hold onto your safety blanket for a while, but you will find yourself eventually thinking "wow, i used to use that?"
[01:03] <Chil1> Haha, yeah, xubuntu seems so much more efficient, it looks as pretty as vista but its not near as resource intensive.
[01:03] <keb> switch to Beryl for lots more transparency and 3D fun
[01:04] <Chil1> Heh, I don't know if I have the system.
[01:04] <maxamillion> keb: beryl is merging back with Compiz ;)
[01:04] <keb> oic
[01:04] <keb> that sounds like a Good Thing
[01:04] <stimz> heheh, I came across XFCE about three years ago, (no I have not been using linux that long) when I got back to England I found Ubuntu, fell in love and naturally drifted back to XFCE (my laptop is naff)
[01:04] <maxamillion> keb: yeah ... i don't really care either way to be honest, i don't use either but i do think it would be good to get both communities working together towards the same goal intead of bickering over how things should be done
[01:05] <Chil1> 2 gig ram, Gforce 5200 FX 256, 2.9GHZ P4, the video card and the processor are sort of holding me back.
[01:05] <maxamillion> Chil1: LOL!@#$%#^$! .... that will fly with beryl or Compiz
[01:05] <stimz> I'm currently running PII 800 128mb RAM 5mb Graphics and 11 GB HDD!!! W00T
[01:05] <Chil1> Okay....I stand corrected.
[01:05] <keb> i have 512MB ram, 1.7GHz processor and same graphics, Beryl worked ok for me
[01:05] <maxamillion> Chil1: beryl+aiglx will perform really well on a machine like that ;)
[01:06] <Chil1> I might try it out sometime.
[01:07] <maxamillion> Chil1: i know someone who rungs beryl on that graphics card with a 350MHz AMD K6-2 and 192MB of ram ... aiglx and the latest nvidia drivers puts all the rendering off on the graphics card and you only lose like 30mb of ram from the system
[01:07] <stimz> BFTD is it possible to symbollic-link to filesystem?
[01:07] <Chil1> So basically, windows = bloated and unefficient.
[01:07] <maxamillion> Chil1: now you're getting it ;)
[01:07] <Chil1> heh
[01:07] <stimz> thats the understatement of the century.
[01:07] <stimz> lol
[01:07] <BFTD> stimz yes
[01:08] <maxamillion> Chil1: errr yes, the answer to your question would be "yes"
[01:08] <maxamillion> :D
[01:09] <stimz> ln -s / ~/Desktop should put a sybollic link to / on desktop right? Well it says the file already exists, but nothing on Desktop
[01:10] <stimz> oh and another thing, I just got RealPlayer 10 on Xubuntu and it ROCKS.
[01:10] <keb> i prefer mplayer
[01:11] <maxamillion> no ... actually vlc then mplayer
[01:11] <stimz> can it stream realplayer?
[01:11] <maxamillion> but i don't do much with media so i don't care
[01:11] <maxamillion> stimz: no ... i don't think anything but realplayer can stream realplayer ...
[01:11] <stimz> thought so...
[01:12] <maxamillion> lol
[01:12] <stimz> BFTD: ln -s / ~/Desktop came up with "file exists" no change on desktop
[01:12] <maxamillion> again ... i don't do much with media, just xmms for netradio while i'm at work (which is where i am right now)
[01:12] <keb> whats the stream url, i bet mplayer can
[01:13] <stimz> Google for one! (man I'm lazy...)
[01:14] <keb> :D
[01:14] <maxamillion> keb: i think there is a cool one on sun's site about looking glass from back in '02 or '04... lemme find it
[01:14] <stimz> (I can't even be bothered to open a browser for a fellow linux friend. man...) Hang on keb, I'll get one.
[01:14] <stimz> (oh well)
[01:15] <keb> lol not urgent
[01:15] <maxamillion> keb: yeah ... here you go http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.xml
[01:15] <Chil1> Hmm, anyone play any good free games?
[01:15] <keb> wesnoth
[01:15] <stimz> v
[01:16] <maxamillion> its a cool presentation ... just kinda blows my mind to see what Sun had already done for the 3d desktop (in java of all things) before anyone else
[01:16] <stimz> http://vodreal.stanford.edu/Jasper/island.ram
[01:16] <stimz> Chil1: The best open software game I have played is TASpring
[01:16] <stimz> Its a complete rework of total annihilation, its just awesome
[01:17] <stimz> Wesnoth is good too. But I prefer 3D RTS
[01:17] <maxamillion> Chil1: nexuiz, netpanzer, solarwolf, pydance ... http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Native_Games
[01:17] <stimz> Linux tome is an awesome resource
[01:17] <keb> stimz that plays for me if i open it and drop the rtsp: url into mplayer
[01:17] <stimz> http://spring.clan-sy.com/
[01:18] <stimz> did it work for the sun site urls?
[01:18] <maxamillion> Chil1: that site i posted to you is geared towards ubuntu users ... its a good source
[01:18] <stimz> Chil1: look at http://www.happypenguin.org/
[01:18] <Grey_Loki> Is there a good website downloader available for Xubuntu? As in, something that can grab the entire content of a domain
[01:19] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: i think there is a plugin for firefox that does that
[01:19] <Grey_Loki> maxamillion, i'll take a look - thanks :)
[01:20] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: np
[01:20] <keb> stimz it worked after i wget the original url and get the rtsp: url again ;)
[01:21] <stimz> keb: Awesome, is MPlayer a dedicated video application, or does it play all media and audio? if so what are its other features like? (skins, visualizations, library search, internet radio ect)
[01:21] <stimz> ?
[01:21] <keb> it plays audio as well
[01:21] <keb> there are some skins
[01:21] <keb> it doesnt do anything but play media
[01:21] <keb> http://mplayerhq.hu/
[01:22] <stimz> cheers :D
[01:22] <maxamillion> stimz: also check out vlc .... http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[01:22] <stimz> Will do Maxamilion
[01:22] <keb> yeah vlc is cool, it is more cross platform
[01:22] <maxamillion> stimz: there are versions for almost any OS and its in the repositories (universe branch if my memory serves me correctly)
[01:23] <stimz> oh yeah, I saw Songbird on a friends computer, it is open source right
[01:23] <keb> you can use it to convince people to switch away from windows
[01:23] <maxamillion> keb: yeah, i actually tried it first in v.0.1.4 or something back when i still had win98se
[01:24] <maxamillion> keb: yeah, hand them open office, firefox, pidgin, and vlc ... that's pretty much what 70% of the desktop using world needs right there
[01:24] <stimz> maxamillion: I've never heard of pidgin. whats that?
[01:24] <keb> me neither
[01:25] <maxamillion> it's gaim
[01:25] <keb> oh hehe i have that
[01:25] <maxamillion> gaim got sued by AOL, they changed their name to pidgin like 4 days ago
[01:25] <stimz> oh right
[01:25] <maxamillion> :)
[01:25] <keb> lol
[01:25] <stimz> sued for what?
[01:27] <maxamillion> stimz: well, gaim started as "GTK+ Aol Instant Messenger" and AOL didn't like that so they changed it to "gaim" and said it didn't stand for anything but AOL still didn't like that and after a few years of debate, gaim's legal advisors thought it would be a good idea to alter the name just for the sake of peice
[01:27] <stimz> Oh, thats another thing, does either Mplayer or vlc handle burning and ripping cds, because thats one thing I have really found hard with linux.
[01:27] <stimz> AOL living up to its name ;)
[01:27] <keb> there are other apps for cds and dvds
[01:27] <maxamillion> stimz: burning can be done easily with graveman or gnomebaker and ripping  .... i think exaile will rip
[01:27] <stimz> right, will look those up
[01:28] <keb> exaile is k3b ?
[01:28] <stimz> however I will save that for another day, it has turned Tuesday over here, and I need to get some beauty sleep! haha
[01:28] <maxamillion> keb: no
[01:28] <keb> gnite
[01:28] <stimz> Good night all!
[01:29] <maxamillion> keb: http://www.exaile.org/trac
[01:29] <maxamillion> stimz: night night
[01:29] <Grey_Loki> maxamillion, the only one I can find seems to be Windows-only :S
[01:29] <maxamillion> keb: exaile is basically a gtk version of amarok
[01:29] <Grey_Loki> ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3184 )
[01:29] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: really? ... you can write windows only plugins for firefox? ... didn't know that
[01:30] <Grey_Loki> well, I don't really use firefox - i prefer Opera. I look in the 'versions' link on that page, and it says 'plugin for windows' or words to that effect.
[01:30] <maxamillion> keb: but i think they are doing a really good job of competing especially since the project is so new ... its _really_ nice (its in the feisty repositories)
[01:30] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: interesting ...
[01:30] <keb> looks good
[01:32] <maxamillion> yeah ... i actually mainly use xmms because all i do is listen to net radio and it uses minimal system resources, in the event i did have a music library ... exaile would be where its at
[01:36] <Chil1> How would I go about installing that spring game?
[01:36] <Grey_Loki> Chil1, TA-Spring?
[01:36] <Chil1> Yes.
[01:36] <maxamillion> LOL: http://fanboys-online.com/comic.php?cid=138
[01:37] <Grey_Loki> Chil1, I believe there are installation instructions on their website, if they have a linux binary
[01:42] <Chil1> One of the lines I have to add is
[01:42] <Chil1> deb http://www.osrts.info/~tvo/deb edgy spring # Ubuntu Edgy Eft...
[01:42] <Chil1> Would I change Edgy Eft to something else since I'm running Feisty?
[01:42] <Chil1> Its the line to add it to the repository
[01:44] <Grey_Loki> I can't say, i'm afraid.
[01:44] <Grey_Loki> I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't work - I should think that Feisty is backwards-compatible with Edgy stuff.
[01:45] <maxamillion> Chil1: if they don't have a feisty branch on their server yet, it would just error out when you do a "sudo aptitude update" so i say just try it
[01:45] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: yeah, true .... it "should" be
[01:46] <Chil1> Okay.
[01:53] <Chil1> Okay, there's a step that says  Create directories for data files: mkdir -p ~/.spring/{maps,mods,base}
[01:54] <Chil1> So, that just means make a new folder right? lol
[01:54] <maxamillion> i have to run ... getting off work
[01:54] <maxamillion> Chil1: yeah, that's how i would read it
[01:54] <maxamillion> laters
[01:58] <Grey_Loki> !paste
[01:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:03] <Chil1> Hmm, what codec do I need to watch the embedded WMP content?
[02:03] <crimsun> depends on the streamversion of the "WMP content"
[02:03] <crimsun> if it's current, you'll likely need w32codecs
[02:04] <Chil1> crimsun: I swear I have those installed
[02:04] <Chil1> Yeah, I have those installed.
[02:05] <crimsun> which player are you embedding?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> mplayer plays some but in general w32codecs will play it
[02:07] <Chil1> I'm trying to watch some TV on freetube.us.tc,  but it tells me I need a plugin. I've got the w32 codecs installed.
[02:07] <Chil1> does mplayer have something w32 doesn't?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> mplayer has seperate codecs not the full w32codecs package
[02:10] <gnomefreak> give me a sec im looking
[02:10] <Chil1> kk
[02:11] <gnomefreak> i dont think its you
[02:11] <gnomefreak> it automaticly pauses
[02:11] <gnomefreak> but totem-xine seemed to want to play one of them
[02:12] <Chil1> hmmm
[02:12] <gnomefreak> i got a loading screen with totem-xine :)
[02:14] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:15] <Chil1> Oh well, no big deal.
[02:23] <Shaba1> hello anyone actually at the keys here?
[02:31] <Chil1> I'm here, but I don't think I'll be much help.
[02:33] <Qew> Shaba1: just ask the question and if anyone can answer, they will... eventually.
[02:33] <Shaba1> I did
[02:34] <Shaba1> I asked of anyone was at the keys here?
[02:34] <Qew> and how can we help you?
[02:34] <Qew> what is your support question?
[02:37] <Chil1> So Beryl is just an application that makes stuff look better?
[02:37] <Chil1> Its not another distro of ubuntu?
[02:37] <Qew> nah, just eye candy for those who like that kind of thing
[02:37] <Qew> you'll probably get bored of it in fifteen minutes ;)
[02:37] <Chil1> Maybe.
[02:37] <Chil1> Can't hurt to download though!
[02:37] <Qew> no, go ahead
[02:38] <Shaba1> nothing right now Qew
[02:39] <Shaba1> just hanging out hoping to learn things
[02:39] <Qew> yeah, join the club ;)
[02:47] <BFTD> hrm
[02:47] <BFTD> mesa loves samba
[02:47] <BFTD> used in the right ways, and it'll become a hacking tool
[02:51] <keb> what does a 3d layer have to do with a file sharing server?
[02:56] <Artemis3> Hello there: Today i have done this: Installed ubuntu-server (7.04 beta), then did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. When booting, i get no splash, X loads and a graphical login appears, after login the wallpaper changes and some icons appear. Thats it. No XFCE to be seen anywhere... Did i miss something?
[02:57] <keb> when you right click on the blank area, do you get a menu?
[02:57] <Artemis3> a small one iirc desktop related
[02:58] <malnilion> You sure you're in xfce?
[02:58] <keb> you should see one that has Settings, Accessories,..., About Xfce, Quit
[02:58] <malnilion> You chose it manually from the sessions menu before you logged in?
[02:58] <Artemis3> maybe not? i simply installed xubuntu-desktop meta...
[02:58] <Artemis3> no i dont get those
[02:58] <WaxyFresh> i loaded the sources.list for fiesty yet sudo apt-get dist-upgrade isint working any ides?also how do i set up transparent windows?
[02:58] <malnilion> Try logging out and logging in making sure you're in xfce session
[02:59] <Artemis3> ubuntu-server default install, then xubuntu-desktop package
[02:59] <Artemis3> i did
[02:59] <malnilion> Okay
[02:59] <Artemis3> well i cant log out
[02:59] <Artemis3> the option doesnt appear
[02:59] <Artemis3> so ctrl-alt-backspace..
[02:59] <malnilion> ctrl-alt-backspace :S
[02:59] <keb> WaxyFresh did you "sudo apt-get update" before the dist-upgrade?
[03:00] <WaxyFresh> yup
[03:00] <Artemis3> so nobody tried this route?
[03:00] <Qew> Artemis3: tried alt+f2 then type "xfce4-panel" into the dialogue box?
[03:01] <WaxyFresh> nm a restart fixed the upgrade issue
[03:01] <keb> cool
[03:01] <Artemis3> no i havent tried but that seems a good idea
[03:01] <WaxyFresh> how do i see how much free space i have?
[03:01] <keb> df
[03:01] <malnilion> df is a good command :)
[03:01] <Qew> if that works, then you can right-click the panel to customise it.
[03:02] <Artemis3> how do you normally invoke xfce? whats the script or binary that loads it?
[03:02] <malnilion> Artemis3, that's a good question
[03:02] <malnilion> I used to know the answer
[03:03] <Artemis3> oh well ill try tomorrow, the machine is not here at home anyway ^^
[03:03] <Artemis3> just wondered if anyone tried the same
[03:03] <Qew> Artemis3: startxfce, but you should have had gdm installed
[03:04] <Artemis3> i get the graphical login with the xubuntu logo, i suppose thats gdm...
[03:04] <WaxyFresh> xfce supports psudo-transparancy right?
[03:04] <malnilion> WaxyFresh, yeah
[03:05] <keb> there is a transparency command called transset
[03:05] <WaxyFresh> so how much free space do i have?Filesystem     1K-blocks  Used Available Use%        3426896   2743680    509136  85% /
[03:05] <malnilion> That would be in bytes, I think
[03:05] <malnilion> So, like 2.5 gigs?
[03:05] <malnilion> used
[03:06] <malnilion> Er, available
[03:06] <keb> no it is in kilobytes
[03:06] <malnilion> Woops, lol
[03:06] <keb> but yeah, 2.5GB
[03:09] <Artemis3> use -h
[03:10] <WaxyFresh> 448mb
[03:10] <WaxyFresh> thanks
[03:11] <WaxyFresh> ive got a dist-upgrade downloading that will take up more space then i have availible is there a way to move part of it onto a usb drive?
[03:15] <WaxyFresh> keb:r00t@sleepless:~$ transset
[03:15] <WaxyFresh> bash: transset: command not found
[03:15] <WaxyFresh> r00t@sleepless:~$
[03:15] <keb> sudo apt-get install transset
[03:15] <keb> but wait until the dist-upgrade is done
[03:15] <WaxyFresh> yup
[03:16] <keb> there should be a way to add a usb drive to your / filesystem
[03:16] <keb> but i'm not familiar with the LVM
[03:16] <WaxyFresh> keb any other eye candy for xfce?besides beryl/compiz?
[03:17] <keb> well you can download all sorts of desktop images and color schemes
[03:17] <keb> and themes
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> thanks i know aboute all that stuff,just wondering if there was anything cool the window manager could do
[03:21] <keb> as a cholesterol-free window manager, it saves memory ;)
[03:21] <keb> thats cool enough for me
[03:27] <rubix> hey just updated to fiesty, and now my graphics card drivers don't work, i think it might be something to do with the kernel-modules package
[03:27] <aboyousif> hello .. how could i know my current ubuntu version ?
[03:28] <rubix> uname -i for kernel
[03:28] <rubix> otherwise administration-->about ubuntu
[03:28] <rubix> or help or w/e the menu is
[03:28] <aboyousif> rubix, uname -i > unknown
[03:29] <rubix> uname -p
[03:29] <rubix> sec
[03:29] <Qew> is't uname -r
[03:29] <aboyousif> rubix, the same unkown
[03:29] <rubix> i can't remember the letter
[03:29] <Qew> *it's
[03:29] <rubix> yea, -r
[03:29] <rubix> how do i tell my kernel version
[03:29] <rubix> grr
[03:29] <aboyousif> well .. i know the kernel .. i need the ubuntu verison
[03:30] <aboyousif> version
[03:30] <rubix> i mena kernel-mods package version
[03:30] <rubix> there is an about ubuntu
[03:30] <aboyousif> not in xfce
[03:30] <rubix> ohh thats right ur on xubuntu
[03:31] <Qew> aboyousif: cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:31] <rubix> whats the fiesty support channel
[03:31] <aboyousif> Qew, thanks alot .. it helps :)
[03:31] <Qew> np
[03:31] <rubix> whats the kernel-mods package name
[03:32] <rubix> just updated to feisty, havign graphic card problems
[03:32] <rubix> pretty sure its due to my graphics card not having the proper kernel module
[03:32] <WaxyFresh> rubix, #ubuntu+1
[03:37] <rubix> hey Pumpernickel u around bro
[03:38] <rubix> seems i have 2 sets of nvidia drivers installed
[03:44] <rubix> man i can't even sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:44] <rubix> nv drivers don't even work
[03:55] <rubix> still having major problems
[04:00] <magic_ninja> yo
[04:22] <Catoptromancy> anyone try getting internet connected with a  usb 2Wire wireless adaptor ?
[04:23] <Catoptromancy> eagleusb doesnt seem to work
[04:23] <morpheus74> Hi all.  Is there really that much performance difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu?
[04:25] <magic_ninja> what sup Pumpernickel
[04:25] <Chili> Hmm, so I'm trying to watch a video @ nothingtoxic.com and its telling me I need a plugin. I have the win32 codecs installed, any others I might need?
[04:25] <Pumpernickel> I'm trying to get a mic to work.
[04:25] <Pumpernickel> ...I detest audio problems.
[04:25] <magic_ninja> sounds like fun
[04:26] <magic_ninja> lost x after upgrading to feisty
[04:27] <morpheus74> I'm running fiesty beta and when in tty the font is extremely large.  Any ideas?
[04:28] <magic_ninja> i got several different versions of the nvidia drivers on my computer
[05:08] <Pumpernickel> I really really detest audio problems.
[05:09] <crimsun> like what?
[05:09] <crimsun> mic issues?
[05:09] <Pumpernickel> Yup.  It works, so long as I don't enable 6ch output.
[05:10] <crimsun> that's a codec issue
[05:10] <crimsun> nothing we can do about that.
[06:18] <Slor> Anyone awake?
[06:20] <Slor> I recently installed xubuntu 6.06.1.  I don't have the higher resolution choices my graphics card supports for X, so I assume it has used a generic X server.  How can I easily correct that so I can bump up my resolution?
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> !fixres
[06:20] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:20] <Slor> nice - thanks tony
[06:21] <Slor> and there's a section just for my ATI. :)
[06:25] <Slor> hmmm - but I find no aticonfig on my system or the software manager.
[06:25] <Slor> guess I'll try the other approaches
[06:26] <briancron> are there laptop power settings in a default xubuntu install?
[06:41] <spasticteapot> How do I add thinks to my launcher?
[09:56] <Catoptromancy> anyone ever get usb wireless working?
[09:57] <Catoptromancy> ive searched google for quite awhile and cant seem to make the drivers work
[10:09] <OGDA> is it possible to install that system upgrader/degrader thats in feisty?
[10:09] <malnilion> OGDA without getting feisty?
[10:10] <OGDA> yeah
[10:10] <OGDA> in 6.06.1 if possible
[10:11] <malnilion> Probably, but is there a specific reason?
[10:11] <BFTD> so I can upgrade it easily
[10:11] <BFTD> :p
[10:11] <malnilion> Oh...I thought the upgrade manager was in edgy as well...
[10:12] <BFTD> nope
[10:12] <malnilion> That's weird...
[10:12] <BFTD> anyways this is dapper not edgy
[10:12] <malnilion> Is it possible to upgrade from dapper to feisty?
[10:13] <BFTD> I'm pretty sure it is
[10:14] <malnilion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[10:14] <malnilion> It says that you can only go from edgy to feisty :/
[10:15] <hyper_ch> malnilion: then go dapper --> edgy --> feist
[10:15] <hyper_ch> y
[10:15] <malnilion> Exactly
[10:15] <hyper_ch> but then I would install feisty directly
[10:15] <malnilion> BFTD, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[10:15] <malnilion> BFTD, you should have the update manager there in dapper
[10:17] <malnilion> Honestly, I find it kind of a pain to have to upgrade to an intermediate version of Ubuntu; a lot of packages would need to be redownloaded.
[10:18] <hyper_ch> malnilion: then don't upgrade and isntall feisty directly
[10:18] <malnilion> hyper_ch, I've got Feisty, I'm trying to help BFTD here :P
[10:18] <hyper_ch> ah ok :)
[10:19] <malnilion> If I were you, BFTD, and I could reinstall linux, I would
[10:19] <Catoptromancy> does Feisty make it easier to install drivers for USB wireless adapters that have no drivers ?
[10:19] <hyper_ch> if there are no drivers what do you want to install then?
[10:19] <hyper_ch> but generally Feisty has a better hardware support so you may try if feisty supports it
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> Ive found a few possible drivers
[10:20] <malnilion> I've yet to have something not work
[10:20] <malnilion> USB works pretty damn well these days
[10:21] <malnilion> Although, I need to try my Saitek USB controller again.
[10:21] <malnilion> Haven't tried it since the upgrade to Feisty, but it registered in Edgy as a joystick, so it should work.
[10:21] <BFTD> this song sucks
[10:21] <malnilion> Which song?
[10:22] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: you can try feisty... either it works or not... you have nothing to loose in that case
[10:22] <Catoptromancy> google has concluded that installing 2wire amoung other USB wireless adapters to be a pain
[10:22] <malnilion> Oh, wireless via USB could be interesting
[10:23] <hyper_ch> next weekend I'll have to have a look at truecrypt in feisty :)
[10:37] <camer0ff> hello
[10:38] <BFTD> hrm
[10:38] <camer0ff> just have a question relating to vi
[10:38] <camer0ff> in gnome i just hit "i" or "insert" to type text. how do i do it in xfce?
[10:38] <camer0ff> it just doesnt seem to work :S
[10:39] <BFTD> we here use nano
[10:39] <camer0ff> ah fair enough :S
[10:40] <hyper_ch> nano is alright for my simple mind :)
[10:40] <hyper_ch> vi is too complicated :)
[10:41] <camer0ff> just like vi because it has been on every distro i have used
[10:41] <camer0ff> gotten used to it
[10:41] <camer0ff> just seemed strange that it didnt work
[10:42] <camer0ff> hmm
[10:42] <camer0ff> brb
[10:51] <camer0ff> hmm
[10:51] <camer0ff> back :)
[10:52] <camer0ff> having trouble getting my monitor working correctly
[10:52] <posingaspopular> camer0ff: howso?
[10:52] <camer0ff> i have changed /etc/X11/xconf file
[10:53] <camer0ff> screen isn't positioned right
[10:53] <posingaspopular> camer0ff: can you adjust it on the actual monitor
[10:53] <camer0ff> its hanging off the edge of the monitor :(
[10:53] <camer0ff> i can... but the monitor gets used for two computers at the moment
[10:54] <posingaspopular> hmm
[10:54] <posingaspopular> im not the best when it comes to X issues though
[10:54] <camer0ff> :(
[10:55] <posingaspopular> camer0ff: is that a xubuntu issue?
[10:55] <posingaspopular> or can you ask in #ubuntu
[10:55] <camer0ff> the file didnt initially have HorizSync and VertRefresh, so i added them with the values that are specified for the monitor
[10:55] <camer0ff> will ask in #ubuntu
[10:55] <camer0ff> not really sure though
[12:38] <silverfox> How do i make launchers, such as the synaptic one run as root in menu editor?
[12:43] <grazie> silverfox: use the command 'gksu synaptic'
[12:45] <silverfox> Get the command doesnt exist
[12:48] <grazie> silverfox: gksu and synaptic are installed by default on Xubuntu
[12:49] <silverfox> grazie, Not running xubuntu just switched from a base install of standard ubuntu, is there a package i need for gksu?
[12:53] <silverfox> I dont even know the command to add to menu to open a terminal -_-
[12:55] <posingaspopular> silverfox: it's down in the menu
[12:55] <posingaspopular> it should be under system if you are using xubuntu
[12:59] <grazie> silverfox: yes, gksu is a package. It's not really very clear to me what you've installed so far and what you are trying to do.
[12:59] <grazie> nm
[01:20] <murr4y> hi, i downloaded a theme and put it into /usr/share/themes/xfw4/THEME but its still not listed in the window manager settings
[01:27] <grazie> murr4y: put theme in /usr/share/themes (system wide) or ~/.themes (local)
[01:28] <murr4y> so without "xfmw4" ?
[01:33] <murr4y> i put it into /usr/share/themes but it's not listed
[01:50] <malnilion> murr4y, I always put themes in .Themes in my home folder
[01:51] <malnilion> Or .themes, rather.
[01:53] <murr4y> well i don't have a .themes in my home folder actually
[01:54] <TheSheep> murr4y: just make it
[01:56] <murr4y> mh doesn't work either
[02:01] <TheSheep> murr4y: unpack it
[02:02] <murr4y> TheSheep: it is unpacked
[02:03] <TheSheep> murr4y: you should put it so that the themerc file is in ~/.themes/ThemeName/xfwm4/
[02:03] <TheSheep> murr4y: and all the files that were with it, of course
[02:04] <TheSheep> (or, in the old fashion, ~/.themes/xfwm4/ThemeName/, but that's deprecated)
[02:05] <murr4y> TheSheep: i put it there just like that
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> Anyone have an idea why - resolution:    100x100 dots per inch is hardwired somewhere into xfce4 (feisty)
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> If I just run xinit it uses 96x96 (as specified in xorg.conf)
[02:34] <h3sp4wn>  /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc - seems to be hardwired in there (I cannot see a sensible reason for doing so though)
[03:03] <Rich_li_ny> Good moring everyone :)
[03:04] <Rich_li_ny> I just did an installation for the third time and still cant get video.
[03:04] <Rich_li_ny> But can so an ALT F1 and go to a command prompt.
[03:04] <Merchelo> what sort of video and what sort of player?
[03:05] <Merchelo> oh wait
[03:05] <Merchelo> my bad
[03:05] <Rich_li_ny> Viseo as in my monitor.  I have a VGA monitor.. and an Matrix AGP video card.
[03:06] <Rich_li_ny> It seems there is soemthing worng with my xorg config file but I cant get into it to edit it.
[03:07] <grazie> Rich_li_ny: the matrox video drive has a known bug. You can use vesa or upgrade to feisty where I believe it's fixed. There may be workarounds available too
[03:07] <grazie> driver*
[03:30] <Artemis3> oh, interesting, this time xfce did load, but still no splashy when booting~~~
[03:38] <Orionisti> Hello
[03:38] <Orionisti> I need some help in getting a weird device working in Xubuntu
[03:38] <Orionisti> I have a 170 MB PCMCIA Hard disk drive  "Viper 170"   that I can't access.
[03:39] <Orionisti> I can plug it in the laptop and it starts spinning but I can't access the drive
[03:39] <Orionisti> Any ideas?
[03:41] <Orionisti> Heh, maybe I'm asking for the impossible...
[03:41] <Orionisti> I got the hard drive inside a Canon Powershot 600 - a digital camera with half a megapixel from the year 1997
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> I doubt it is impossible
[03:42] <Artemis3> its pccard ata drive?
[03:42] <Orionisti> Yay, a speck of light =)
[03:42] <Orionisti> all it says is PCMCIA hard disk drive
[03:42] <reaVer> is anyone having problems with amsn lately?
[03:42] <Artemis3> wait, you said canon camera? you sure its not cf?
[03:42] <reaVer> like, having it lock up?
[03:43] <Orionisti> well the connector is PCMCIA and it says PCMCIA sooo... I'd guess it is pcmcia
[03:43] <Orionisti> and it is 10 years old - was cf around at that time?
[03:43] <Artemis3> i dont remember seeing canon cameras using pccard devices...
[03:44] <Artemis3> let me check., these conectors are very simillar
[03:44] <Orionisti> Viper(tm) 170E
[03:44] <h3sp4wn> I don't remember seeing a digital camera in 1997
[03:44] <Orionisti> Model 8170E
[03:44] <Orionisti> Yeah, this is very antique
[03:44] <Orionisti> the HDD has a date of April 1997
[03:45] <Orionisti> and it spins when I plug it in, cf cards don't spin, do they?+  ;-)
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> Orionisti: Are you certain the laptop you plug it into supports pcmcia ?
[03:47] <Artemis3> does dmesg shows your drive? apparently other pcmcia hds work
[03:48] <Orionisti> the laptop has a pcmcia network card so it supports it alright
[03:48] <Orionisti> how do I access dmesg?
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> Orionisti: pcmcia and cardbus are different though
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> anything un ancient would be cardbus
[03:49] <Orionisti> It's HP Omnibook XE3 gc-cl if I remember correctly
[03:49] <Orionisti> ok, do the old cardbus devices still state they are PCMCIA?
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> Orionisti: is the network card in lspci
[03:50] <Artemis3> Orionisti, just type that command in a console
[03:50] <Orionisti> ispci...?
[03:50] <Artemis3> you might want to use dmesg | less
[03:50] <Orionisti> network card states to be pcmcia also
[03:50] <Orionisti> ok I'll check it out
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> If its in lspci its not pcmcia (afaik)
[03:52] <Artemis3> maybe a message like "pata_pcmcia"
[03:52] <Artemis3> eg: "scsi5 : pata_pcmcia"
[03:53] <Orionisti> can't see such a line
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> You need to specify base addresses etc with pcmcia
[03:53] <Orionisti> scrolling
[03:54] <Orionisti> CardBus bridge found at
[03:55] <Orionisti> PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
[03:55] <Rich_li_ny> I installed Xubuntu and can not get my Monitor to display video. When booting it says:".....ACPI Failed Unable to Locate RSDP " and contues the boot process.  I then see the Xubuntu logo show for a split second and and then the Monitor goes blank.  10-20 seconds after that the monitor turns off and green LED on it turned amber.    Pressing Ctrl+F7 turns monitor back on for a sec but still no video.   Pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 exits me to a sy
[03:56] <h3sp4wn> Rich_li_ny: laptop ?
[03:57] <Orionisti> dmesg finds the manufacturer of the P-ATA drive and so on, but I can't access the data on it
[03:57] <Rich_li_ny> my system P-II 300. Intel AL440LX motherboard, 192mb RAM , Matrox Graphics 64mb AGP card.  System works fine with other distros installed.
[04:02] <Merchelo> what version of xubuntu 6.04 or 6.10 ?
[04:03] <Rich_li_ny> Desktop w/ VGA monitor
[04:03] <Rich_li_ny> sorry I should have stated.
[04:03] <Rich_li_ny> 6.10
[04:03] <Orionisti> I have 6.10
[04:05] <Orionisti> ok I'm at a standstill again
[04:09] <Artemis3> Rich_li_ny, sounds like a refresh rate issue..
[04:09] <Rich_li_ny> OK..
[04:09] <Rich_li_ny> I went reconfigure the Oxor..
[04:09] <Artemis3> can you get your monitor refresh rates?
[04:10] <Rich_li_ny> but couldnt,, maybe I am tyopingt in the command wrong.
[04:10] <Artemis3> id rather edit a couple of lines in xorg.conf instead...
[04:10] <Rich_li_ny> I also wrote down the viseo settings that worked whenusing Puppy linux.
[04:10] <Rich_li_ny> off a live CD.
[04:11] <Rich_li_ny> Yeah.. this is what worked in Puppy (puppys auto config).  53.7214 Horizontal khz
[04:11] <Rich_li_ny> 85.1369 Vertical Hz .. 24 Color
[04:11] <Artemis3> hmm
[04:11] <Artemis3> you dont have the ranges?
[04:11] <Rich_li_ny> No.. thast all it said..
[04:11] <Rich_li_ny> I dont know how to see or get ranges.
[04:11] <Artemis3> monitor manual?
[04:12] <Artemis3> google search?
[04:12] <Artemis3> when you get those, just edit xorg.conf in /etc/X11 in the monitor section
[04:12] <Rich_li_ny> When I looked at display.. it told me what it was set for .  I know it would be easier if It had ranges.. but with those number I was hoping to make some up.
[04:12] <Artemis3> its better with ranges
[04:13] <Rich_li_ny> You know.. Ive been googeling around almost every day for 2.5 weeks now.. and its teh only thing I didnt look up was the monitor.
[04:13] <Artemis3> search google for specs of that monitor
[04:13] <Artemis3> hahaha
[04:13] <Rich_li_ny> I tried THree different monitors  though and had teh same problem.
[04:13] <Rich_li_ny> OK
[04:13] <Artemis3> when you get the ranges, you simply add 2 lines like:         HorizSync       30-85
[04:13] <Artemis3>         VertRefresh     47-160
[04:13] <Artemis3>  in the Monitor section
[04:13] <Orionisti> Right, how do I mount the sda device again?
[04:13] <Artemis3> and thats it...
[04:14] <Artemis3> much faster than the alternative
[04:14] <Rich_li_ny> Art.. thanks..  I feel like an idoit now..  :))
[04:14] <Rich_li_ny> I will check it out :D
[04:14] <Artemis3> not your fault
[04:14] <Rich_li_ny> ty]
[04:27] (YogSothoth/#xubuntu) I installed hal, dbus and thunar-volman-plugin, and when I plug in an usbdisk or insert a dvdrom, nothing happens. Why isn't it automounted?
[04:27] <Orionisti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14875/
[04:28] <Orionisti> ...Arkh?
[04:28] <Arkh> oh sorry I was reading an article :)
[04:28] <Orionisti> ah
[04:29] <Arkh> ok
[04:30] <Arkh> now as root, or with sudo
[04:30] <Arkh> fdisk /dev/sda
[04:30] <Arkh> be very careful
[04:30] <Arkh> and just press p
[04:30] <Arkh> to print the partition table
[04:30] <Orionisti> FAT16
[04:30] <Arkh> wtf?
[04:30] <Arkh> I think sda is your usb pen..
[04:30] <Orionisti> huh?
[04:31] <Orionisti> no, my usb pen is in my pocket
[04:31] <Arkh> oh wait
[04:31] <Arkh> let me understand
[04:31] <Orionisti> sure
[04:31] <Arkh> this hard disk is a data one?
[04:31] <Orionisti> you understanding would help me a lot =)
[04:31] <Orionisti> And what would you mean by data?
[04:32] <Arkh> not your operative system
[04:32] <Arkh> :p
[04:32] <Orionisti> yes, not my operative system
[04:32] <Arkh> ok then
[04:32] <Arkh> sudo mkdir /media/sda
[04:32] <Orionisti> I can't fit Xubuntu on a 170 MB disk =P
[04:33] <Orionisti> ok
[04:33] <Arkh> and then sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda
[04:34] <Orionisti> ok
[04:34] <Arkh> any error?
[04:34] <Orionisti> no
[04:34] <Arkh> cd /media/sda/
[04:34] <Arkh> ls
[04:34] <Arkh> :P
[04:34] <Orionisti> pwrshot recycled system volume information
[04:34] <Orionisti> seems that someone has tried mounting this on xp before
[04:35] <Arkh> well now the disk is mounted :p
[04:35] <Orionisti> wow I can see the pics there
[04:35] <Artemis3> haha
[04:35] <Arkh> try doing a mount to see which permissions you have
[04:35] <Artemis3> delete that xp trash
[04:35] <Arkh> err lol
[04:35] <Orionisti> mounbt mount ....
[04:35] <Orionisti> not so fast =P
[04:35] <Orionisti> so I do what exactly?
[04:36] <Arkh> mount
[04:36] <Orionisti> rw
[04:36] <Artemis3> its fine
[04:36] <Orionisti> ok, now how do I get to browse the contents in, say, Thunar File Manager and open the pictures in Gimp or whatever?
[04:37] <Arkh> so you have officially been pimped, Orionisti
[04:37] <Arkh> just open thunar
[04:37] <Arkh> filesystem, media, sda
[04:37] <Artemis3> well you mounted it didn't you? you already know the path...
[04:38] <Orionisti> ay, wonderful
[04:38] <Artemis3> and i thought my 128mb cf was small...
[04:38] <Orionisti> I thank you from the bottom of my heart!  =D
[04:38] <Orionisti> this is 170 MB and huge (physically
[04:38] <Orionisti> One more question
[04:38] <Artemis3> on the other hand i do have a working 80mb pata disk stored
[04:39] <Orionisti> do I have to mount this again every time I reconnect it?
[04:39] <Arkh> yes
[04:39] <Artemis3> 3 1/2" and all..
[04:39] <Arkh> unless you do edit /etc/fstab
[04:39] <Orionisti> I've used a 25 MB ISA disk
[04:39] <Artemis3> what do you mean isa?
[04:39] <Orionisti> ISA as in the ISA in motherboard, before PCI
[04:39] <Artemis3> the black one with the controller?
[04:40] <Orionisti> mhm
[04:40] <Orionisti> now, how to edit the /etc/fstab
[04:40] <Artemis3> fstab will shorten your mount command, dont automount unless you plan to leave it always connected
[04:41] <Orionisti> alright
[04:41] <Orionisti> I guess this is fine
[04:41] <Artemis3> it will save you from typing many mount options everytime
[04:41] <Artemis3> something like mount /media/sda will do if you configure fstab
[04:42] <Artemis3> now why would you use a 170mb disk for?
[04:42] <Artemis3> isnt a pendrive much easier?
[04:42] <Orionisti> because it's the only thing the digital camera accepts =P
[04:42] <Artemis3> ah...
[04:42] <Artemis3> pcmcia camara... funny
[04:42] <Orionisti> it's not like I plan on actively using the digital camera or anything
[04:43] <Artemis3> maybe you can get a much bugger pcmcia flash hd
[04:43] <Orionisti> one more thing
[04:43] <Artemis3> bigger
[04:43] <Orionisti> now that I have pictures of me in the hdd, I can't remove them
[04:43] <Artemis3> if my canon wasnt in the black list of defective models.. i would consider getting another cf
[04:44] <Orionisti> I might sell this camera - these are rare
[04:44] <Artemis3> mine is failing, because of some manufacture issue :(
[04:44] <Artemis3> but is like 3 yrs old and i found out recently
[04:44] <Orionisti> root owns the files and I can't delete them
[04:45] <Orionisti> ideas?
[04:45] <Artemis3> ah yes, thats one of the mount options you miss
[04:45] <Artemis3> mount with use permissions, or change permissions, or rooted thunar (now thats scary and dangerous, dont do that ;))
[04:46] <gratuit> I'm using feisty and have my desktop icon preference to show only icons for removable devices, since I just upgraded, it now shows two volumes on a non-removable drive. I still want them to be mounted, but not shown on the desktop. is there any way to keep them from showing up on the desktop? (i.e. something I can add in fstab?)
[04:46] <Orionisti> Remember, you need to tell everything in detail to me =)
[04:47] <Artemis3> hehe i know i know i don't remember those things from memory... hmm fat16 isnt?
[04:47] <Orionisti> mhm
[04:49] <Artemis3> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[04:49] <Artemis3> but before you try
[04:49] <Artemis3> sudo umount /media/sda
[04:49] <Artemis3> and never remove it without umount first...
[04:50] <Orionisti> sudo unmount command not found
[04:50] <Artemis3> umount
[04:50] <Arkh> gratuit, that's something that involves the file manager ( aka Thunar ) not fstab
[04:50] <Orionisti> ah
[04:51] <Arkh> I know how to do that with gnome, but not with xfce
 I wasn't sure if there was something in fstab that could mark it as a removable device
[04:51] <tors_> gratuit: same thing happened to me. Choose "File/launcher icons" in the dropdown-box and then Select all the checkboxes under "Show icons for:". Then change dropdown to "None". Then change back to "File/launcher icons" and deselect all checkboxes. Then switch dropdown to "None" and back to "File/launcher icons"
[04:51] <Artemis3> not in fstab...
[04:52] <Arkh> it that doesn't work, try mounting the not removable devices in another directory such as /mnt/ instead of /media/
[04:53] <gratuit> tors_: thanks, that seemed to work
[04:53] <Arkh> that should do the trick aswell..
[04:53] <Orionisti> I found some pictures of the previous owner in the recycle bin =S
[04:53] <Artemis3> lol
[04:53] <Arkh> owww
[04:53] <Arkh> naked?
[04:53] <Arkh> XD
[04:53] <tors_> gratuit: glad to help
[04:53] <Orionisti> nopes
[04:53] <Orionisti> apparently he is in army
[04:54] <Arkh> I don't like much the "he" part
[04:54] <Artemis3> har har
[04:55] <Orionisti> auuugh it got hot in there
[04:55] <Orionisti> the hdd that is
[04:55] <Artemis3> !
[04:56] <Artemis3> idea
[04:56] <Artemis3> get that cheapo pcmcia adapter for cf
[04:56] <Artemis3> try in that camera
[04:56] <Orionisti> nah
[04:57] <Artemis3> its like 7$
[04:57] <Orionisti> I could get a cheapo digital camera with the same price
[04:57] <Artemis3> but canon is much better
[04:57] <Orionisti> with the size of the hdd and more pixels
[04:58] <Artemis3> 1gb cf is just 12$
[04:59] <Artemis3> you sure the new camera is cheaper than 21$?
[04:59] <Artemis3> well benq and genius don't count ;)
[05:00] <Artemis3> er.. that would be 19$ ^^!
[05:06] <stimz> Afternoon
[05:08] <stimz> Any ideas where to find the repository for screensavers? :D
[05:26] <{slacky}> hello
[05:26] <{slacky}> can I install xubuntu on a K5 at 100MHz with 64 MByte of RAM?
[05:27] <Arkh> I don't think it can handle it
[05:28] <{slacky}> what kind of Linux that I can Install?
[05:29] <Arkh> I think a damn small linux
[05:29] <{slacky}> Arkh: url?
[05:30] <Arkh> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[05:30] <{slacky}> Arkh: thank you
[05:31] <Arkh> I think that something more powerful could work with the processor
[05:31] <Arkh> but with that RAM it is the only thing I can think of
[05:33] <{slacky}> Arkh: but some office suite? not with that computer?
[05:33] <{slacky}> Arkh: I've got installed Windows 98 on that machine now
[05:34] <Arkh> is there any way to increase the ram?
[05:34] <{slacky}> Arkh: no
[05:34] <{slacky}> Arkh: this PC has 15 or more years old
[05:34] <{slacky}> mmm maybe 10
[05:34] <Arkh> let me think a bit..
[05:36] <Arkh> if you could add 64 megs pf ram
[05:36] <Arkh> xubuntu would run pretty smoothly
[05:37] <Arkh> but with the current  memory open office would run bleeding slowly
[05:37] <Arkh> a friend of mine tried that :p
[05:38] <delcoyote> can i run automatix with xubuntu? hi all btw
[05:38] <{slacky}> hi delcoyote
[05:39] <{slacky}> Arkh: try from LiveCD is very slower that the installed system obvoiusly, right? just to try the speed rate
[05:39] <Arkh> yup
[05:39] <Arkh> which distro are you trying?
[05:39] <Arkh> Knoppix?
[05:40] <Arkh> I mean the proc is very good
[05:40] <{slacky}> Arkh: no, I've got Win98 on that PC, but I'd like to use linux
[05:40] <Arkh> double the ram and almost everything will work out of the box :P
[05:58] <stevethepirate> hello. can anyone tell me howto install xfce.. i have no web browsing capabilities here i'm afraid.. only irc and a local mirror
[05:58] <Rich_li_ny> New Installation Xubuntu 6.10 and can not get Video on monitor unless I go to a command prompt (Ctrl + Alt + F1).  Begins to load I see xubuntu logo then screen goes blank and monitor goes dead.  Please help me with this.  Its been going on for tow weeks and I really want to get this working.  Note monitor works with Puppy linus live Cd.. but not with xbuntu.
[05:59] <stevethepirate> Refresh rate or resolution on xubuntu is too high or not supported by monitor..
[06:00] <Arkh> stevethepirate, links?
[06:01] <Rich_li_ny> Well the computer I am on now has the exact same monitor and it works fine.
[06:01] <Rich_li_ny> Its just a different pc..  I tried three monitors allready
[06:02] <Rich_li_ny> Also get message on boot :  "ACPI unable to locate RSDP"
[06:02] <Rich_li_ny> Tried to reinstall 2x and it didnt help:(
[06:02] <hyper_ch> Rich_li_ny: try to disable the acpi
[06:04] <McBeardy> hello all
[06:05] <grazie> Rich_li_ny: It is not your monitor. Like you were told earlier the ubuntu matrox video driver is broken You can use vesa or upgrade to feisty where I believe it's fixed. There may also be a driiver you can use from outside the repos
[06:05] <grazie> Rich_li_ny: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-mga/+bug/58721
[06:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 58721 in edgy-backports "Edgy upgrade breaks multiple Matrox cards" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[06:05] <McBeardy> !networking
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <McBeardy> !network
[06:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:06] <McBeardy> !browsing windows networks
[06:06] <McBeardy> uhh.. anyone here know anything about browsing windows netowrorks?
[06:07] <hyper_ch> Rich_li_ny: feisty is nice... although it's still "beta" it's more stable than windoze... you should try that if grazie think it's fixed in feisty :)
[06:07] <hyper_ch> McBeardy: hmmm, samba :)
[06:07] <hyper_ch> McBeardy: but how exactely... I've never tried it :)
[06:07] <hyper_ch> I only know how to make my shares available to my roommates through the network
[06:08] <McBeardy> hmmm
[06:08] <grazie> !samba | McBeardy
[06:08] <ubotu> McBeardy: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:08] <McBeardy> it would be nice to just click on some kind of network button in thunar and see shared folders like in windows
[06:09] <hyper_ch> McBeardy: you first ahve to get samba :)
[06:09] <McBeardy> well, i have samba
[06:09] <McBeardy> and this thing called xsmbrowser
[06:10] <McBeardy> which claims to be a gui for it, but it doesn't exactly work
[06:10] <hyper_ch> konqueror can do it :)
[06:10] <hyper_ch> well, you need somehow to setup samba up for accessing windows network shares I think
[06:10] <Arkh> McBeardy,
[06:11] <Arkh> you can use samba and fusesmb and Thunar
[06:11] <Arkh> to access shares like in windows ;)
[06:11] <McBeardy> thats good news
[06:11] <McBeardy> any idea how?
[06:11] <Arkh> let me find you the exct guide
[06:11] <Arkh> exact*
[06:12] <hyper_ch> McBeardy: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy   look at 1.13.x
[06:12] <Arkh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=9331b0a1153d3539c13ae7bebfd878ba&t=304131&highlight=samba+thunar
[06:12] <hyper_ch> McBeardy: looks like they have some stuff
[06:12] <Arkh> this is the same guide I did follow
[06:12] <Arkh> and it works ;)
[06:12] <McBeardy> hoooray
[06:12] <McBeardy> thanks
[06:12] <Arkh> just be careful and follow all the steps :p
[06:13] <hyper_ch> good guide *bookmark*
[06:13] <Arkh> :P
[06:13] <Arkh> most of the reboots are useless
[06:13] <Arkh> but they don't hurt aswell :D
[06:13] <hyper_ch> one has to reboot linux?
[06:14] <Arkh> yeh, it seems so
[06:14] <Arkh> I made everything without rebooting
[06:14] <Arkh> but anyways -.-
[06:14] <hyper_ch> I thought a reboot is only required upon kernel change/mod and some other core stuff :)
[06:14] <hyper_ch> oh well, if it says reboot, then reboot :)
[06:14] <Arkh> 4) Reboot, so the fuse module loads, and the proper workgroup is read for samba.
[06:15] <hyper_ch> ah... fuse
[06:15] <Arkh> or do a sudo modprobe fuse
[06:15] <hyper_ch> lsmod fuse   shoud do it
[06:15] <hyper_ch> that's what I meant
[06:15] <Arkh> *** 6.7) Reboot the system and triple check with step 6.6
[06:15] <Arkh> mostly useless :P
[06:15] <hyper_ch> and make sure to add it to /etc/modules
[06:16] <hyper_ch> did fuse actually get auto-added by samba install?
[06:16] <Arkh> the fusesmb installation does it :P
[06:16] <hyper_ch> I don't recall to have it added to /etc/modules
[06:16] <hyper_ch> and what is "lp" for a module?
[06:16] <hyper_ch> the other 4 I know what they are for :)
[06:16] <Arkh> linux printer
[06:17] <Arkh> sbp2?
[06:17] <hyper_ch> could deactivate that... don't ahve a printer....
[06:17] <hyper_ch> no, visor
[06:17] <hyper_ch> aes
[06:17] <hyper_ch> dm_mod
[06:17] <hyper_ch> dm-crypt
[06:17] <Arkh> lol I have a firewire module
[06:17] <Arkh> anyways it doesn't get loaded
[06:17] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[06:18] <hyper_ch> well, my dm-crypt/luks guide is written... maybe I'll see about truecrypt this weekend :)
[06:18] <hyper_ch> I still wonder is there a way to encrypt the /etc folder or put that on a seperate partition?
[06:19] <Arkh> the second thing yes
[06:20] <Arkh> the first one too but I don't know how :P
[06:21] <hyper_ch> Arkh: how? if the partition data is stored in /etc/fstab how can that be on a different partition?
[06:23] <Arkh> oh right hyper_ch I din't think about that lol
[06:23] <Naughtyboy> what the heck just happend with the update of Fiesty...some of the devs or someone at canonical just had a brainfart ;=)
[06:23] <hyper_ch> Arkh: I think it would be nice because /etc contains a lot of demon configs...
[06:23] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: ????
[06:23] <Arkh> I was just thinking about other directories like /home, /var, /opt,/usr can be mounted on different partitions
[06:24] <Naughtyboy> well...I was doing my daly update routine...and my nvidia-glx got downgraded to 63xx something..
[06:24] <Naughtyboy> and soem other packages..
[06:24] <hyper_ch> lucky you :)
[06:25] <Naughtyboy> I hade it fixed..so no worries.....but that seemes to wierd to me
[06:25] <hyper_ch> I have legacy drviers :)
[06:25] <Naughtyboy> removed to ones I had installed and installed the new ones...but they have nemed them "nvidia-glx-new"
[06:26] <hyper_ch> they are also to be updated
[06:26] <Naughtyboy> ohh well...all good now...just got a little confused..
[06:27] <hyper_ch> The following packages will be upgraded:
[06:27] <hyper_ch>   foomatic-db grub human-icon-theme ifupdown libnm-glib0 libpanel-applet2-0 libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common
[06:27] <hyper_ch>   libvolume-id0 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-generic linux-restricted-modules-common mplayer nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:27] <hyper_ch>   openprinting-ppds python-software-properties seahorse software-properties-gtk thunar thunar-doc thunar-volman-plugin
[06:27] <hyper_ch>   udev volumeid
[06:27] <hyper_ch> let's be brave and let it upgrade :)
[06:27] <Naughtyboy> yeah that was the ones that I just upgaded
[06:27] <Naughtyboy> err upgraded
[06:28] <hyper_ch> let me try :)
[06:28] <Naughtyboy> yeah..goahead...good luck  ;=))
[06:28] <hyper_ch> thx
[06:29] <hyper_ch> what can happen?
[06:29] <hyper_ch> computer explodes?
[06:29] <hyper_ch> not that important :)
[06:29] <Arkh> mm yes
[06:29] <Arkh> well no
[06:29] <Arkh> they do burn though
[06:29] <Arkh> :D
[06:29] <hyper_ch> burning isn't as specatcular as exploding... :(
[06:31] <TheDarkKiller> Yay, installed Xubuntu on a new fast machine. This rocks!
[06:32] <hyper_ch> TheDarkKiller: that's good :)
[06:32] <Arkh> yeah :P
[06:32] <TheDarkKiller> ;)
[06:33] <hyper_ch> I still don't know why some people are not using Xfce :)
[06:33] <Arkh> because you can't edit the menu
[06:33] <Arkh> :@ :@ :@
[06:33] <Arkh> :D
[06:34] <TheDarkKiller> Well, for me it's a good interface, as I'm a big time Linux noob. But I'm learning. I always coded my programs in Windows, but now... :D
[06:34] <hyper_ch> code programs for linux :)
[06:34] <Naughtyboy> yeah...that just about the only thing that bugs me with xfce....that damn menu....
[06:34] <hyper_ch> Arkh: sure you can edit the menu
[06:35] <Naughtyboy> yeah but its a PITA
[06:35] <Arkh> how :P
[06:35] <hyper_ch> Arkh: edit the .xml file of it :)
[06:35] <Arkh> I mean I want it WYSIWYG
[06:35] <Arkh> :P
[06:35] <hyper_ch> Arkh: WYSIWYG is for noobs
[06:35] <Arkh> rofl
[06:35] <Arkh> it is fast
[06:35] <hyper_ch> maybe :)
[06:36] <Naughtyboy> hyper_ch, : how's the updating going for ya ..?
[06:36] <hyper_ch> Naughtyboy: went well... but haven't restarted x yet
[06:36] <hyper_ch> going to do that now :)
[06:37] <Naughtyboy> ahaaaa....c'mon u wuzzz..restarX
[06:37] <Naughtyboy> haha...
[06:41] <hyper_ch> runs without problems
[06:42] <Naughtyboy> well...congrats then...hehe
[06:42] <Naughtyboy> mine didn't
[06:42] <Naughtyboy> guess it was due to the drivers
[06:43] <hyper_ch> yeah
[06:43] <hyper_ch> but I got the legacy ones :)
[06:45] <Naughtyboy> ok..
[06:50] <hyper_ch> gotta go :)
[06:57] <Rich_li_ny> Hyper:  Thanks for the help and Link..  baby was crying and I ran out of the room for a few minnets.  Just saw your reply.. Thanks :)
[07:03] <delcoyote> i need some help with xubuntu 7.04 installation on cyrix 300 64 ram getting a apci=force error
[07:07] <delcoyote> apci=force required to enable apci
[07:10] <delcoyote> do i need to add at boot options= install apci=force?
[07:22] <Arkh> aussieman, what is your wifi card?
[07:26] <aussieman> broadcom 43XX
[07:26] <aussieman> Arkh, Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[07:26] <aussieman> 10:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[07:27] <aussieman> ive been playing with it for a week
[07:27] <Arkh> woot
[07:27] <aussieman> woot woot
[07:27] <Arkh> mine is a 02:08.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[07:27] <Arkh> I have been using it with ndiswrapper
[07:27] <aussieman> and it goes ok?
[07:28] <Arkh> yep
[07:28] <aussieman> i got the bcm drivers
[07:28] <Arkh> I am using the 64 bit version of xubuntu
[07:28] <aussieman> ok
[07:29] <Arkh> I will definitely try feisty in a coule of weeks :P
[07:29] <aussieman> im in a hote just now getting the new upgarde - hopefully network manage rgnome ect will stop freezing now
[07:29] <aussieman> its ice
[07:29] <aussieman> nic e
[07:29] <Arkh> :D
[07:29] <aussieman> sorry
[07:29] <Arkh> edgy works pretty good atm
[07:29] <Arkh> beryl's up and running too :P
[07:30] <aussieman> i gotta get ready im at a bike race and gotta do an interview
[07:30] <aussieman> beryl is a freind of dame edna
[07:31] <Arkh> what lol?
[07:33] <aussieman> you know dame edna?
[07:33] <aussieman> edna everedge
[07:37] <Arkh> no sir
[07:39] <aussieman> google dame edna australian culture
[07:41] <Arkh> Oh I see now :)
[07:41] <Arkh> no way I could known of that before :P
[07:41] <Arkh> have*
[07:42] <aussieman> muy bien
[08:55] <raig1> I have a laptop with two networks, i.e. one wired and one wireless. How do I control the assignment of the interfaces to eth0, eth1, etc? Seems to be different at each boot.
[09:17] <raig1> I have a laptop with two networks, i.e. one wired and one wireless. How do I control the assignment of the interfaces to eth0, eth1, etc? Seems to be different at each boot. (repost)
[09:20] <maxamillion> raig1: it changes on each boot?
[09:21] <maxamillion> raig1: try checking /etc/network/interfaces ... that file generally caters to things of this sort
[09:21] <maxamillion> raig1: note that you will need sudo privilages if you plan to edit it
[09:25] <Rich_li_ny> Bug on 6.10 causes problems with PCI /AGP cards and no video on monitor.  Per forums and IRC I was told I need to change to vesa or download 7.04 .  How do I download and install vesa drivers from a command prompt?   (cant d/l the 7.04 ISO I don't have enough bandwidth).  ???
[09:26] <TheSheep> Rich_li_ny: they are already included
[09:27] <TheSheep> Rich_li_ny: just do 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and change the "driver" line in it to say "vesa"
[09:28] <raig1> It is just my problem that in editing /etc/networks/interfaces, I do now know which interface is eth0/eth1/eth2. Background: I have to load a different driver for the wlan, so the wlan is also named ethx. There should be something in udev, I learned meanwhile, but how?
[09:30] <maxamillion> raig1: my wireless for my laptop is actually seen as eth1 also .... i never bothered with it because it was consistent
[09:31] <Rich_li_ny> .
[09:32] <raig1> seems to be a race condition which card is earlier. But I found the solution meanwhile under http://www.debianadmin.com/rename-network-interface-using-udev-in-linux.html, so that I could associate the name with a MAC address. Thanks.
[09:52] <sioux> sera
[09:53] <sioux> hi
[09:53] <sioux> oopppss english
[09:55] <sioux> !xubuntu
[09:55] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[09:57] <sioux> :-(
[09:59] <maxamillion> sioux: ?
[09:59] <maxamillion> sioux: anything i can help you with?
[09:59] <sioux> I am new to xubuntu
[09:59] <Maximilian1st> Hi maxamillion
[10:00] <Merchelo> did you use linux before sioux ?
[10:00] <sioux> yes
[10:00] <maxamillion> hey Maximilian1st
[10:00] <sioux> ubuntu
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> How is the release going on?
[10:01] <Maximilian1st> Xfce 4.4.1 has been uploaded and will be announced in short.
[10:01] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: good good, release candidate is planning to be out today i believe (if it hasn't already, i've been really busy with school work)
[10:01] <sioux> xfce is gnome based or kde?
[10:02] <maxamillion> sioux: neitehr
[10:02] <maxamillion> sioux: neither*
[10:02] <Maximilian1st> Xfce is based on GTK which is more of a gnome thing than KDE
[10:02] <sioux> gtk is ok with compizor beryl?
[10:03] <Maximilian1st> Absolutely.
[10:03] <Maximilian1st> beryl is part of the new feisty packages, stop me if I'm wrong.
[10:03] <sioux> and all programs that are designed for kde or gnome can run with xfce?
[10:04] <maxamillion> sioux: yes, in xubuntu they can
[10:04] <sioux> :-)
[10:04] <sioux> I have a old laptop PIII... gnome wasvery slow
[10:05] <sioux> now I am see what happen with xfce!
[10:05] <maxamillion> sioux: it will be much faster :)
[10:05] <sioux> :)
[10:06] <sioux> for now seems so
[10:06] <Maximilian1st> You are very enthusiast with much I think... What makes Gnome so slow?
[10:06] <sioux> but much more personalisation must be stil
[10:06] <sioux> done
[10:07] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: gnome-libs ... they are resource hogs, also since gnome has so many different components rolled into one it just makes it a very heavy environment compared to xfce
[10:08] <Maximilian1st> I understand.
[10:08] <sioux> I so gnome slow on running gui application
[10:08] <sioux> sorry I saw...
[10:08] <sioux> or sow?
[10:08] <sioux> saw or sow?
[10:08] <Maximilian1st> so or so...
[10:09] <Maximilian1st> ;-p
[10:09] <Maximilian1st> joke
[10:09] <Maximilian1st> you saw Gnome...
[10:09] <sioux> yes
[10:10] <sioux> for example now with fce I running a upgrade distro and at the same time chat...  with gnome was more slow and difficult
[10:13] <sioux> maximillian1st what's crossower?
[10:14] <Mead> trying to boot xubuntu from the cd on a old emachine etower 466i (pentium 2 grade celeron, 256mb of ram),  after I press enter at the how do you wanna boot screen, it loads two files says' ready, then turns to a black screen with a curser in the upper lefthand curser, then doesn't do anything else
[10:15] <grazie> Mead: do you know what video card the machine has?
[10:15] <Mead> yes, I am using a premedia 2 pci card w/8mb ram
[10:15] <grazie> grazie: that's a new one for me
[10:16] <grazie> Mead: ^^
[10:16] <Mead> I bought it years ago when I wanted to play mechwarrior 3 on another machine
[10:16] <grazie> Mead: does alt+ctrl+f1 give you a terminal console?
[10:17] <Mead> as a noob to linux, I had not
[10:17] <grazie> Mead: ?
[10:17] <Mead> when should I press that key combo?
[10:17] <grazie> any time
[10:17] <grazie> sooner the better :)
[10:18] <Mead> I forgot to include that I don't have a HDD in this machine at all
[10:18] <grazie> Mead: is the machine booted?
[10:18] <sioux> grazie is a nik?
[10:18] <Mead> brb, gonna go to the machine boot it up and see if I can get to the terminal console
[10:18] <grazie> sioux: yeah. hi!
[10:19] <sioux> that's italian word
[10:19] <grazie> yeah...people keep telling me :)
[10:19] <sioux> are you?
[10:20] <sioux> italian?
[10:20] <grazie> no I'm British
[10:20] <sioux> no english,,, british
[10:21] <sioux> north or south?
[10:22] <sioux> :)
[10:22] <sioux> joke
[10:22] <Mead> alright, now it is showing a error
[10:23] <Mead> buffer i/o error on device HDD logical block
[10:23] <Mead> has a number like 64.048131 at the begining of the error and a single digit at the end, the error repeats itself with the numbers getting higher
[10:24] <grazie> sioux: getting a bit off topic here, but my ancestry is Welsh, Irish and English. People from the UK should refer to themselves are British,  but often use English or whatever instead
[10:24] <grazie> Mead: did you check the disk?
[10:25] <Mead> there is no HDD...
[10:25] <grazie> no the cd?
[10:25] <Mead> check it how?
[10:25] <Mead> I just burned it from a torrent download last night
[10:25] <grazie> in the boot menu there's a check cd option
[10:26] <Mead> what 'f' number is that?
[10:26] <Mead> I saw the memory check feature...
[10:26] <grazie> Mead: f number? ICheck cd comes just before that if I recall correctly
[10:27] <Maximilian1st> sioux, crossoverX is an application that lets you run some windows applications under linux.
[10:28] <Rich_li_ny> Off to bed.. g nite veryone
[10:29] <grazie> Mead: that ICheck was a typo... Check CD...
[10:30] <Merchelo> there's also no iCheck on a mac :)
[10:31] <grazie> Merchelo: on a mac there's no menu with yaboot. you type in 'check' if I recall correctly
[10:32] <grazie> Merchelo: at the boot: prompt
[10:33] <Mead> either the bios splash screen hid it, or it was some text that flashed very quickly before the boot menu apeared
[10:33] <grazie> Mead: did you hit escape to get the menu?
[10:34] <grazie> Mead: it's on the same screen as the memtest
[10:41] <Mead> I just try booting the machine 3 time, when thru all the differnt help menus when it asks how you want it to boot, and I didn't find anything that said check cd
[10:42] <Mead> how would I check the cd on a windows machine?
[10:42] <Mead> outside the ubuntu os?
[10:43] <grazie> Mead: That menu option should be there. I don't understand why you can't see it. What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[10:44] <Mead> 6.10
[10:46] <grazie> Mead: have you got the cd booted up now?
[10:47] <Mead> no
[10:48] <bordy> Can anyone direct me to the download for the Xubuntu alt-install CD?
[10:48] <lrtl> good evening, is someone can help me with xubuntu, automount and scsi cdroms ?
[10:48] <Mead> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[10:50] <Mead> grazie: when I get the prompt where it askes how I wanna boot that cd, what should I do to check the cd?
[10:51] <grazie> Mead: do you just get a boot: prompt? I thought you got 5 menu options?
[10:55] <Mead> has a graphic of xubuntu at the top of the screen, at the bottom is had text talking about press  f1 for help and press enter for the live boot... and the prompt looks " boot: "
[10:56] <grazie> Mead: enet
[10:56] <grazie> Mead: sorry. enter 'check'
[10:57] <Mead> alright
[10:58] <Mead> same thing happens, did the crl alt f1 keycombo, nad the same errors happen
[10:59] <grazie> Mead: when did you see the memtestmenu option?
[11:00] <Mead> in one of the help menus,
[11:01] <Mead> I think the f3 menu
[11:02] <grazie> Mead: do you have the desktop (live) cd?
[11:02] <Mead> I should
[11:02] <grazie> Mead: what's the file name of the iso you burnt
[11:03] <Mead> yes, the iso i burned has  desktop i386 in the name
[11:04] <grazie> Mead: I'm guessing the graphical menu can't displayed on that machine because of your video card
[11:05] <grazie> Mead: there must be a check cd option somewhere on the function key menus
[11:13] <Mead> I haven't seen one and I have looked thru the menus many times
[11:14] <grazie> Mead: I dunno what else to suggest....you checked the md5sum before burning?
[11:14] <Mead> I don't know how to do that
[11:15] <Mead> I thought that my bittorrent client would check the file
[11:15] <grazie> !md5sum | Mead
[11:15] <ubotu> Mead: To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[11:17] <grazie> Mead: I think you've got a bad cd. It may the download or it may be the burn. Do the md5sum check to see if you got a good download.
[11:18] <Mead> well, I my time to deal with this problem has ended, I must go and do chores like dishes and start cooking my dinner, I will lay idle here though
[11:18] <Mead> ubotu: thanks I downloaded the program but I will have to mess with it in a few hours after do what I gotta do
[11:19] <grazie> Mead: best of luck next time you get back to it :)
[11:19] <Mead> thanks
[11:19] <grazie> Mead: do you have another video card you can try?
[11:39] <magic_ninja> whats up
[11:39] <magic_ninja> Mead: u having vid card problems
[11:42] <maxamillion> beryl and compiz in feisty don't work with xfce .... :/
[11:42] <maxamillion> just a note
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: do your fonts look correct in feisty ? (to me that is more fundimental than compiz etc)
[11:43] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: i don't use beryl or compiz so i don't mind, i was just testing it .... and yes, fonts are great
[11:43] <Arkh>  why maxamillion ?
[11:43] <maxamillion> Arkh: why what?
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: I don't care for beryl / compiz either - fonts are trashed though (any tricks you used ?)
[11:44] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade .... after editing my sources.list .... :.
[11:44] <maxamillion> :/
[11:45] <Arkh> why beryl doesn't work I mean :)
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> Its merging back into compiz isn't it anyway
[11:46] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: yeah, that's what the word on the digital street is
[11:46] <Arkh> it already merged
[11:46] <hyper_ch> hiho
[11:46] <Arkh> http://dev.beryl-project.org/~cyberorg/beryl/24/compiz-and-beryl-reunited-officially/
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: It seemed obvious from the start compiz had the programming talent to me
[11:47] <maxamillion> Arkh: i dunno why, but i had it installed and working in edgy and all i did was updated my sources.list to feisty repos and upgraded and now when i test either and open an application it seems like the window manager isn't working correctly, but the effects work on the panel menus so its "kinda working" ... i've even releaded to the wm a few times trying to look for crashes or errors and i didn't really see any
[11:48] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: and the funding
[11:48] <Arkh> mmm very weird
[11:48] <maxamillion> Arkh: yeah ... oh well, i don't _really_ mind because i don't use it but i'm sure that is going to come up when feisty releases stable
[11:49] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: one thing i will give beryl credit for is the control panel application, but i think compiz is faster and more stable
[11:49] <Arkh> maybe a simple reconfigure will do? :p
[11:50] <maxamillion> Arkh: possible .... i'm just lazy and don't feel like it
[11:50] <Arkh> :P
[11:50] <maxamillion> xfwm4 is incredible ... no need for anything else :)
[11:50] <Arkh> I never tried compiz
[11:51] <Arkh> beryl now just works out of the box :p
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> I prefer e17 but I am trying to track down this font problem and I dislike both gnome and kde
[11:51] <maxamillion> Arkh: yeah ... both were really easy to get working on edgy
[11:52] <Arkh> :)
[11:52] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: if e17 would stop with all the re-writes and finally release a stable branch i would give it a shot
[11:52] <Arkh> what's wrong with your fonts h3sp4wn ?
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> Its as if the pixels on my lcd aren't lined up properly
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> everything looks sort of rainbow coloured
[11:53] <Arkh> oh Ihave read something like that
[11:53] <Arkh> try unticking and ticking again
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> unticking what ?
[11:54] <Arkh> the options in settings manager
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> all of them ?
[11:54] <Arkh> user interface
[11:54] <Arkh> something like that
[11:54] <Arkh> should be aliasing options
[11:54] <Arkh> untick them all
[11:54] <Arkh> save
[11:54] <Arkh> tick them all && save
[11:55] <Arkh> these ones -> aliasing hinting lcd
[11:55] <Arkh> the last one is sub-pixel hinting
[11:56] <Arkh> bad memory :)
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> yep - the subpixel one doesn't actually seem to immediately affect anything
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> whereas the others come into effect straight away
[11:56] <Arkh> still the same problem?
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> yep
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: quite a few of the libraries are released now (its not all just cvs anymore)
[11:58] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: ah ... that i didn't know
[11:58] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: i did think it was interesting how terrasoft put e17 as default in the ps3 release
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: To me imlib2 is more impressive than compiz and co - hand optimised sse or mmx assembler for the things it does nothing is faster
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: I think its good for it to get a little more exposure (won't help it be released any faster I don't think)
[12:02] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: i thought it was just emulated 3d and that it couldn't cast shadows on anything back the desktop background
[12:02] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: i will say this though: e16 is horrible .... e17 is a massive improvement
[12:03] <maxamillion> stable or not
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: Its not imlib2 that does that its evas I think it does support true transparancy but only for applications written using the e libraries
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> I would rather use the old enlightenment than metacity or sawfish
[12:05] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: as just a window manager? yes, old e is better than metacity or sawfish but i would have to mix it with xfce or gnome
[12:05] <maxamillion> but with xfce i really can't find a complaint with xfwm4
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: It is also 8 years old
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> the last stable version
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> (major release)
[12:07] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: wow ... i knew it was old but i didn't realize it had been that long
[12:07] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: lets move to #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:15] <arualavi> Is here anybody using xfce in catalan?
[12:16] <arualavi> If there is, can confirm this bug please ?
[12:16] <arualavi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/105315
[12:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 105315 in xfdesktop4 "Translation bug that broke up the xfdesktop menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:16] <maxamillion> arualavi: i'm not personally, but i will look into the bug
[12:16] <arualavi> thanks maxamillion
[12:17] <maxamillion> np