[01:23] <DarkWizdom> hey, guys! I need a little help... trying to install xubuntu from a live cd, but dirong configuration of partitions... it says "no root file system" although I do choose one fo the partitions to be mounted as "/"
[01:24] <DarkWizdom> what can be the problem? chatting from livecd at the moment :)
[01:24] <steveno> I had that exact same problem with the ubuntu installer once. never found a solution
[01:25] <steveno> i guess that doesn't really help, sorry
[01:25] <steveno> i ended up just quiting and rebooting
[01:25] <DarkWizdom> well, good to hear I'm not the only one to be honest :D
[01:25] <steveno> are you using a custom partitioning scheme?
[01:25] <DarkWizdom> yea
[01:25] <DarkWizdom> my hdd is a mess
[01:25] <steveno> i was too!
[01:25] <DarkWizdom> I got xp installed
[01:26] <DarkWizdom> and I have kubuntu installed as well :)
[01:26] <steveno> if i had money i'd bet five dollars that it wouldn't say that if you let the installer configure it for you
[01:26] <steveno> thats what it did to me.
[01:27] <DarkWizdom> well, if you leae it up to installer, it's gonna format whole hdd :)))
[01:27] <DarkWizdom> that would have been a disaster to be honest :P
[01:27] <steveno> i know. thats what pissed me off about it
[01:27] <DarkWizdom> this is so annoying...
[01:27] <steveno> any reason why you want to install kubuntu and xubuntu?
[01:27] <DarkWizdom> I formated kubuntu partition already
[01:27] <steveno> as opposed to installing KDE and Xfce?
[01:27] <DarkWizdom> I had kubuntu :)
[01:28] <DarkWizdom> yeah
[01:28] <DarkWizdom> pIII 1200 64 integrated videocard
[01:28] <DarkWizdom> xubunto sounds more reasonable
[01:28] <DarkWizdom> :)
[01:28] <steveno> without a doubt
[01:28] <steveno> you know you can just uninstall KDE and then install Xfce in its place?
[01:29] <steveno> using synaptic
[01:29] <DarkWizdom> yeah, but I have been experimenting with kubuntu alot
[01:29] <DarkWizdom> want a fresh install
[01:29] <steveno> oh, good point
[01:29] <DarkWizdom> and I formatted that partition already
[01:29] <DarkWizdom> and grub with it lol
[01:30] <DarkWizdom> so now if I want to start windows again, have to run /fixmbr /fixboot
[01:30] <DarkWizdom> or whatever there is...
[01:30] <steveno> i'm sorry, but i can only sympathize with you because i don't know how to solve your problem though I've had it myself
[01:30] <steveno> its a bug in the installer
[01:31] <steveno> have you checked the bug reports on ubuntu bug tracker?
[01:31] <DarkWizdom> not yet
[01:31] <DarkWizdom> hmm
[01:31] <DarkWizdom> maybe install earlyer version?
[01:31] <steveno> i personally didn't check there. i had a brand new hard drive at the time so the partitioning scheme wasn't that important to me
[01:31] <DarkWizdom> then upgrade to edgy....
[01:32] <steveno> that is a solution
[01:32] <steveno> make sure to follow the proper upgrade guides
[01:32] <DarkWizdom> I have experience in that already hehe
[01:32] <DarkWizdom> started with breezy
[01:33] <DarkWizdom> apt-get update && apt-get distro upgrade
[01:33] <DarkWizdom> basicly that's it :)
[01:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/ubiquity/+bug/67130
[01:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67130 in ubiquity "mount points preparation locked - "No root file system"" [Critical,Fix committed]
[01:33] <steveno> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[01:34] <DarkWizdom> wow, thanks!
[01:34] <DarkWizdom> time to read -_-
[01:35] <steveno> shew i should of come here when i install pooped out
[01:35] <steveno> my not i
[01:35] <DarkWizdom> obviously :)
[01:37] <cclampblues> ok heres a question: after i boot up i dont have any 'taskbar' menus. any idea how i can get them back?
[01:38] <cclampblues> .
[01:39] <cclampblues> did i lose the chanel?
[01:40] <DarkWizdom> nthanks alot guys! that worked!
[01:41] <kalikiana> cclampblues, In the 'Settings' there is a program for that, should be called 'panel settings' or similar.
[01:42] <cclampblues> i know. i dont have the menu that contains the 'settings' option
[01:42] <cclampblues> that entire thing is what is missing
[01:43] <cclampblues> i have no idea. i just made a url link and double clicked it and firefox opened... but i have no way to access anything . its all gone.
[01:44] <R[a] ndom> settings menu?
[01:44] <R[a] ndom> alt + f2
[01:44] <R[a] ndom> xfce-setting-show
[01:44] <User2007> how do I change screensaver settings?
[01:45] <posingaspopular> User2007: system
[01:45] <posingaspopular> system settings i should say
[01:45] <kalikiana> cclampblues, What about right-clicking the desktop?
[01:45] <R[a] ndom> kalikiana, I already answered :P
[01:45] <R[a] ndom> my way works
[01:45] <User2007> posingaspopular: I don't see it there...running dapper btw
[01:46] <posingaspopular> system menu?
[01:46] <cclampblues> the normal menu pops up: create launcher...etc
[01:46] <User2007> I see bulk rename, disks, language support...
[01:46] <kalikiana> R[a] ndom, I added that just in case, I am not sure if he could hit alt+F2 if there are no panels.
[01:47] <cclampblues> i got the settings manager up
[01:47] <kalikiana> That's good, now get the panels program.
[01:48] <cclampblues> the "button" presses hardrive clicking. and nothing.
[01:49] <cclampblues> but the file manager (etc.) opens
[01:50] <cclampblues> i have no idea. thanks for your help. but i have to go.
[01:50] <cclampblues> thanks again.
[01:51] <davros> hi all
[01:52] <davros> I have a strange xubuntu login error, is there anyone that wants to chat about it? I'm a fairly moderate linux user, so I shouldn't be too much of a problem ;)
[01:52] <User2007> anyone know how to change screensaver settings in xubuntu?
[01:53] <davros> on my setup, it put the screensaver menu entries into the "other" menu or something similar
[01:53] <davros> I forgot exactly what that menu is called.
[01:53] <davros> but it's there. you can run xscreensaver-demo from the command-line too
[01:55] <cellofellow> ask | davros
[01:55] <davros> welp, once when I turned the machine back on, I got just a blank screen after I logged in.
[01:55] <cellofellow> User2007: the easy way to set up the screensaver is to click Screensaver in the Settings Manager.
[01:55] <User2007> thanks davros, xscreensaver-demo worked
[01:55] <davros> no panel, no icons, nothing. just the background color
[01:55] <davros> no problem
[01:56] <cellofellow> odd. xfce isn't turning onn properly.
[01:56] <davros> i don't know enough about xfce to check to see which apps are loading, and which apps arent. changing the session, etc., doesnt help either
[01:56] <User2007> thanks cellofellow, I see it there too...I thought everything there was also a separate menu entry
[01:56] <cellofellow> does Failsafe Terminal work?
[01:57] <cellofellow> User2007: unfortunately no
[01:57] <davros> I added a second user and logged in with him, and it works fine, but that takes me to another problem. that second user has no sound
[01:57] <davros> yes it does
[01:57] <User2007> that is terribly confusing
[01:57] <User2007> I hope that's been fixed in edgy
[01:58] <davros> the sound modules seem to be loading, i see them with lsmod, but alsamixer and the xfce sound applet don't see a sound device. yet, I get that cute sound when the login screen comes up, ya know, before I log in
[01:59] <davros> something about my second user is disabling the sound
[01:59] <cellofellow> davros: try removing /home/yourname/.cache I think your session settings got screwed up.
[01:59] <davros> I'll try it. I can't actually do it now, alas, but I'll note that
[02:00] <davros> any idea why the sound wouldn't work for the second user account?
[02:01] <User2007> thanks all, bbl
[02:01] <crimsun> that's a bit vague. When does it not work? More details, please.
[02:01] <davros> well, I get sound when I boot up, ya know, that little sound you hear when the main login screen comes up. sound has always worked fine in the account that got munched.
[02:02] <cellofellow> the new user in the audio group?
[02:02] <davros> yet, when I log in with this new user I made, I get no sound. lsmod shows the sound files loaded - of course they are, because of that sound I hear initially before I log in. yet, alsamixer says there is nothing, aplay -l says there is no device, and the xfce sound mixer volume thingy says there is nothing
[02:02] <davros> I don't know, lol
[02:02] <davros> by sound files I meant sound modules
[02:03] <cellofellow> suod adduser theuser audio
[02:03] <cellofellow> or maybe the other way around, audio theuser.
[02:03] <cellofellow> drat, can't remember
[02:03] <davros> I'll try that, that would be a nice easy fix
[02:04] <cellofellow> be back in a moment, I think I'll be back anyway.
[02:04] <davros> if not, thanks for the help
[02:04] <davros> does anyone know the name of the appl that xfce uses to add users graphically? I'd like to run it from the console
[02:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> `users-admin`
[02:06] <davros> thanks
[02:31] <vidd_laptop> seems like bcm43xx took a dive since edgy
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> had to re-install and have been forced to use ndiswrapper
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> so im loading fiesty
[02:32] <vidd_laptop> os[Linux 2.6.20-9-generic i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1400MHz @ 1.40GHz]  mem[Physical : 724MB, 83.8% free]  disk[Total : 35.15GB, 88.50% Free]  video[Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device]  sound[]
[02:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's probably checking /etc/debian_version, for some obscure reason, isntead of /etc/issue.
[02:40] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/isntead/instead/
[02:45] <vidd_laptop> ....
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> wb
[02:47] <cellofellow> hello
[02:47] <cellofellow> I was just messing with Zenity. It's interesting.
[02:50] <davros> what's Zenity?
[02:51] <davros> oh, that graphical menu thing, like xdialog or whatever it's called
[02:52] <cellofellow> Simple program that displays customizable GTK windows and returns stuff to the stdout. It's for graphics in bash scripting.
[02:53] <cellofellow> simple trick with it: mousepad $(zenity --file-selection)
[02:53] <cellofellow> opens a text file in mousepad with a graphical choice.
[02:57] <davros> thats cool. i used to do some bash stuff with xdialog, but i didnt like its file chooser
[02:57] <davros> it would crop filenames and do stupid stuff that really took away the polish
[02:57] <cellofellow> a run-dialog: INPUT=$(zenity --entry --text "Run...") && exec $INPUT
[02:59] <cellofellow> I think I like the GTK stuff
[03:00] <davros> i've done a little GTK programming with GLADE and Python, i like it, it's pretty easy and powerful
[03:00] <cellofellow> I'm still a Python newb.
[03:00] <cellofellow> I wish I had a physical book instead of this ebook I've got. Although, I shouldn't complain. Ebooks are  nice.
[03:01] <cellofellow> newb at programming actually.
[03:02] <davros> python is very cool. the syntax is so clean, I can look at one of my programs months later and actually get it still, lol
[03:02] <cellofellow> yeah. :)
[03:02] <cellofellow> I'm getting into objects and functions and stuff, and it's confusingish.
[03:05] <davros> sometimes it's a little confusing, especially stuff like this: " ".split(myString), which splits that string apart into smaller pieces based on space
[03:05] <davros> but once you realize that a string is just an object with functions, which is what the " " is, it makes sense.
[03:05] <cellofellow> The book did go through all of those built in string methods, but I forget.
[03:06] <cellofellow> well, yeah.
[03:06] <davros> I dont bother remembering too much of that, i just look the stuff up as I need it. that's why it's nice to have a syntax that doesnt work against you
[03:06] <cellofellow> I just want to see the big picture, and have a goal, instead of just trying to memorize functions and commands and things.
[03:07] <cellofellow> well, ok
[03:07] <davros> yeah, I agree. and having a physical book is nicer too
[03:07] <cellofellow> hehe, this is fun: zenity --info --text "`fortune`"
[03:08] <davros> i wonder if i have fortune installed...
[03:08] <cellofellow> it should be
[03:08] <davros> lol, it is
[03:15] <AXmf> !nvidia
[03:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:17] <cellofellow> :)
[03:37] <joe4444> my cd-rw couldn't burn the ubuntu edgy iso for some reason (i think maybe the laser can't reach the very end of a disc or something), so instead i used the 540mb Xubuntu iso which worked fine
[03:38] <crimsun> err, meaning the desktop was oversized but the alternate worked fine? :)
[03:38] <Malfist> I need help in killing a proccess
[03:38] <joe4444> if i run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" will my system be virtually identical to one that was installed from a "real" ubuntu live cd?
[03:38] <Malfist> I have 'document viewer' open to look at a pdf and it's frozen
[03:38] <crimsun> joe4444: in the important ways, yes.
[03:38] <joe4444> crimsun, what will be different?
[03:39] <Malfist> does anyone know it's name for killall
[03:39] <Malfist> I can't find it in htop or atop
[03:39] <crimsun> joe4444: some subset of the standard-installed packages.
[03:39] <crimsun> Malfist: pkill evince
[03:39] <joe4444> any guides that can show me exactly what i'm missing?
[03:40] <crimsun> yes, the ubuntu-meta and xubuntu-meta source packages.
[03:40] <crimsun> Malfist: I just told you the command.
[03:40] <Malfist> I was looking for the help file on the command /me
[03:40] <crimsun> /help me , probably
[03:41] <Malfist> I had it backwards
[03:41] <joe4444> someone told me the only difference is that Xubuntu lacks Gnome, but installing ubuntu-desktop includes 286 packages o_O
[03:42] <Malfist> quit got what I came for :P Thanks crimsun
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, yes...Xubuntu lacks the 286 packages of gnome
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> =]
[03:44] <joe4444> oh well, i'll probably just get a new cd-rw or maybe dvd burner by the time feisty is out and just start fresh again
[03:45] <joe4444> vidd_laptop, seems like there are a lot of packages in here that aren't really related to gnome
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, i always grab the alt cd, instal a command line system, and then apt-get the -desktop
[03:46] <DawnLight> hello vidd
[03:46] <DawnLight> hello everyone
[03:46] <joe4444> will the alt cd let me install /just/ gnome without a lot of the other packages like OO?
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, 95% of them are similar programs to ones installed by default by xubuntu
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, what is it that you WANT installed?
[03:48] <joe4444> i like the default ubuntu setup (gnome, themes, etc.) just not the "bloat"
[03:48] <vidd_laptop> ...
[03:48] <vidd_laptop> you want the default or the --no bloat--?
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> its an either/or question....cant have both
[03:49] <joe4444> it would be nice to opt out of stuff like OO before installing it
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> then might i recomend that you use the alt cd...and install .....
[03:49] <cellofellow> that has to be done after the install.
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> is it ubuntu-minimum?
[03:50] <crimsun> -minimal
[03:50] <cellofellow> Debian would let you do that, but not Ubuntu. Fewer options in the installer.
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> ty crimsun
[03:50] <xubuser> The alt cd works very fine
[03:51] <joe4444> i see, so i can't get only the default ubuntu desktop GUI without all the other packages included in ubuntu-desktop?
[03:51] <xubuser> you just install minimal and add packages as you eish
[03:51] <joe4444> or does -minimal include gnome?
[03:51] <kristjans> beryl + xubuntu = no desktop wallpaper, no desktop icons?
[03:51] <kristjans> what's
[03:51] <kristjans> the problem
[03:51] <cellofellow> no, it's cli I believe
[03:51] <cellofellow> kristjans: sounds like xfdesktop isn't running.
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, it is just the CLI
[03:52] <kristjans> yep, it was
[03:52] <kristjans> the problem
[03:52] <kristjans> thanks
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> you want to THEN run aptitude
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> and select gnome
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> crimsun, am i wrong?
[03:53] <cellofellow> just do sudo aptitude and scroll around.
[03:53] <joe4444> so start with the alt cd, apt-get install ubuntu-minimal, then apt-get install gdm ?
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> no....get alt-cd
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> install command line (or minimal)
[03:54] <cellofellow> gdm won't bet you anywhere but the fail-safe terminal.
[03:54] <crimsun> you'd want to aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[03:54] <cellofellow> that'd get him the same place as just installing fully.
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> crimsun, he dont want ALLL ubuntu...just gnome
[03:55] <cellofellow> best way I say is to just cut bits out after a normal install.
[03:55] <crimsun> vidd_laptop: you want the infrastructure in place first.
[03:55] <crimsun> install ubuntu-desktop, then trim backward
[03:55] <joe4444> it's just annoying to wait for 286 packages to download and install when i don't want most of them =/
[03:56] <cellofellow> well,
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, you already have a gui?
[03:56] <cellofellow> hmm
[03:56] <joe4444> yeah i started with xubuntu live cd
[03:56] <xubuser> try the alt cd
[03:57] <kristjans> what is
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> then fire up synaptic, and look thru it and pick and choose what you DO want
[03:57] <kristjans> what is the directory for xubuntu's desktop backgrounds?
[03:57] <joe4444> btw i only used linux in general a little bit (CentOS mostly cli) before trying ubuntu for the first time earlier this week with VMware... i finally dropped XP yesterday and have been doing a few "real" installs
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, then remove what you DONT want
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> synaptic will only tag what it has to, and none of the stuff it dont
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> after you all done adding and removing, jump to CLI and run sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> that will get rid of stuff you no longer need
[03:59] <xubuser> krisjtans /usr/share/backgrounds /usr/share/xfce4 /backdrops
[03:59] <joe4444> ideally it sounds like the alt cd would let me install the cli and then gnome (without all the extras), at which point i can browse Add/Remove in the GUI to pick and choose only what i want...?
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> yes
[04:00] <kristjans> xubuser: thank you very much :)
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> but if you ALREADY have the GUI installed.....
[04:01] <xubuser> you're welcome kristjans
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> then just use synaptic and do your adding nd removing now
[04:01] <DawnLight> thunar keeps hanging
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> but if your JUST in a live cd session,
[04:02] <DawnLight> when i browse /dev
[04:02] <joe4444> i know it sounds like i'm trying to avoid the cli entirely, but that's only because i want to get my desktop set up just how i like it so i can get back to work... once i know i have a good GUI setup to fall back on i'll start reading more about debian's cli and other stuff "under the hood"
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> go to synaptic, find the name of the gnome desktop app so you can install it from your cli
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> then i recommend....for a no frills desktop without the clutter and bloat....use Xubuntu
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> THEN do your research
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> =]
[04:04] <DawnLight> is there a keyboard hotkey for the process manager?
[04:04] <cellofellow> my desktop is more Debian than Ubuntu. Fluxbox.
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, fluxbox scares me
[04:04] <cellofellow> why?
[04:05] <joe4444> plus i want to know that i can easily install ubuntu _quickly_ from scratch without all the bloat and customize from there for any additional computers i will switch from XP in the future
[04:05] <cellofellow> you can create custom disks I think.
[04:05] <xubuser> DawnLight, change to a terminal, then 'ps aux | grep thunar'
[04:05] <joe4444> that's the alt cd right?
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> then i DEFINANTLY recomend Xubuntu with XFCE asopposed to GNOME
[04:05] <joe4444> i didn't want to start with that and get in over my head right away =)
[04:06] <cellofellow> it's still a good desktop. My little brothers and sister love it.
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, you can do a desktop install from the alt cd as well
[04:06] <cellofellow> they're 8-12.
[04:06] <xubuser> DawnLight do you want To kill thunar?
[04:06] <R[a] ndom> alt cd > normal cd
[04:07] <R[a] ndom> I dont like the live cd
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, how spartian is it?
[04:07] <xubuser> that's right Random
[04:07] <DawnLight> do i have a choice?
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> WHY run a LIVE cdif you KNOW your going to install????
[04:07] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: one sec, making screeny
[04:07] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, having the live cd is nice for troubleshooting later
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> so even if you dont need it to install, its killing 2 birds with one stone
[04:08] <joe4444> vidd_laptop, ok well i've already got that iso burned =)  so to go from Xfce to Gnome w/o ubuntu-desktop (and OO, etc.) do i just run "apt-get install gnome" ?
[04:08] <R[a] ndom> plus you can browse the web-o-net while installing
[04:08] <cellofellow> more choices on alt. plain CLI installation and a GUI installation, both with cli installer.
[04:08] <xubuser> I don't think so Dawn Light
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> joe4444, yes
[04:08] <joe4444> perfect, thanks
[04:08] <DawnLight> what did that ps aux show me?
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, YOU might be able to...i cant
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> =]
[04:09] <xubuser> change to a terminal 'ps aux | grep thunar' then 'sudo kill #' where # is the process number
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> that gparted messes me up every time
[04:09] <xubuser> the second column from the left is te process id
[04:10] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/fluxbox-screenshot.png
[04:10] <xubuser> it's a unique id for each process running on the system
[04:10] <Lord_Maynoth> hey...
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, dont look much different then xfce
[04:11] <Lord_Maynoth> is anyone here running xfce 4.4.0
[04:11] <xubuser> with 'sudo kill #', where # is the process id, you can kill any process you want
[04:11] <Lord_Maynoth> and if so have you run into any bugs?
[04:11] <cellofellow> that's cause I just can't keep customizing it.
[04:11] <xubuser> but be carefull with that
[04:11] <cellofellow> Rox is the desktop icons.
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> Lord_Maynoth, i think i am (running fiesty)
[04:11] <cellofellow> yeah
[04:11] <Lord_Maynoth> have you encountered any bugs
[04:11] <DawnLight> hey it worked
[04:11] <cellofellow> that's the BEST way to use xfce4.4
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> a couple
[04:11] <Lord_Maynoth> I want to install 4.4.0 on edgy
[04:11] <DawnLight> but i have a feeling it will hang again
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> but i dont know if they are with the wm
[04:12] <Lord_Maynoth> I wish ubuntu updated as new software came out
[04:12] <DawnLight> say, where can i see which serial ports are identified?
[04:12] <Lord_Maynoth> instead of every 6 months
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, lspci
[04:13] <xubuser> dmesg | grep serial
[04:13] <cellofellow> Lord_Maynoth: that's Debian Sid that is always up to date like that, or Gentoo.
[04:13] <xubuser> that command will list all serial ports detected by the Kernel
[04:14] <cellofellow> Ubuntu would be as unstable as Sid if it was like that.
[04:14] <Lord_Maynoth> Debian Sid?
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> !sid
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <DawnLight> yes i see
[04:14] <cellofellow> Lord_Maynoth: aka Unstable. It's mostly a collection of new packages awaiting inclusion in Ubuntu or Etch (testing).
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> !debian
[04:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[04:15] <Lord_Maynoth> well I wish the apps were up2date
[04:15] <Lord_Maynoth> like ooo gaim etc
[04:15] <cellofellow> no, you don't.
[04:15] <cellofellow> up2date is Fedora/Red Hat.
[04:15] <DawnLight> vidd, what is lspci?
[04:15] <cellofellow> Apt much better.
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> trally...NO you DONT
[04:15] <Lord_Maynoth> I keep my system up2date
[04:15] <Lord_Maynoth> manually
[04:15] <Lord_Maynoth> but its a pain
[04:15] <Lord_Maynoth> having to compile
[04:16] <Lord_Maynoth> no instability here
[04:16] <cellofellow> then use Gentoo or Sid. If you HAVE to have the bleeding edge.
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, it shows what pci devises you have running
[04:16] <xubuser> lspci is a command that list all the pci devices on your machine
[04:16] <cellofellow> Sid is much more popularly used than Etch and Sarge anyways.
[04:16] <DawnLight> the list is too long, how do i segment it?
[04:16] <xubuser> lspci | less
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> xubuser, you type too fast =]
[04:17] <xubuser> :-)
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> i got help with my wifi card today...now i need to help 3 ppl
[04:19] <DawnLight> xubuser, how do i resume from it?
[04:19] <xubuser> press the q key
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> and you are typing so fast that i cant!
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> =P
[04:19] <DawnLight> is a serial port a pci device?
[04:20] <cellofellow> most serial ports are /dev/sttyN right?
[04:20] <cellofellow> N for Number
[04:20] <xubuser> in modern computer, the serial port is conected trough a pci bus, yes
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> D'OH DawnLight you wanted to know PORTS...not DEVICES
[04:21] <cellofellow> older computer, serial port WAS the PCI bus???? j/k
[04:21] <xubuser> in older computers used to be isa buses
[04:21] <DawnLight> yes sorry
[04:21] <xubuser> very oldies
[04:22] <cellofellow> back in the days of dumb-terminals?
[04:22] <joe4444> i miss the ISA
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> in ANCHIENT computers....they used to be seperate buildings
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> =]
[04:22] <joe4444> 12" modems at a blazing 14.4kbps
[04:22] <DawnLight> i have a windows software running in wine, that sends commands through serial ports and i cant get it to recognize any!
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, what windows software?
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> there may be linux equivilents
[04:23] <DawnLight> its a configuration tool for an irrigation valve module
[04:24] <DawnLight> the company didnt make a linux version
[04:25] <DawnLight> the software already runs
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> while im sure there IS a linux equivilent, i have no clue what it might possibly be =\
[04:25] <DawnLight> why would there be?
[04:25] <R[a] ndom> does vmware give access to serial ports?
[04:25] <R[a] ndom> DawnLight, theres no reason there would be
[04:25] <DawnLight> whats vmware?
[04:25] <cellofellow> use an emulator, and capture the serial data, and use that to write your own.
[04:25] <R[a] ndom> !vmware
[04:25] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[04:26] <cellofellow> !qem
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> it lets you run windows on top of linux
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <cellofellow> !qemu
[04:26] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> qemu is similar
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> just a bit less polished, slower, and (mostly) open source
[04:26] <cellofellow> I use Qemu with the KQemu accelerator, now OSS.
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> its the perfect solution tho
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> read up on it
[04:26] <R[a] ndom> eitehr of them
[04:26] <cellofellow> it is totally open source now.
[04:26] <cellofellow> kqemu was gpl'd in response to the kernel's KVM.
[04:27] <cellofellow> kqemu runs of more processors.
[04:27] <DawnLight> why shouldnt it work in wine?
[04:27] <DawnLight> its just a serial port
[04:27] <DawnLight> im sure im just doing something funny
[04:27] <cellofellow> cause wine has no idea how the serial ports work on the inside.
[04:28] <cellofellow> the Windows program wants to access COM1, and wine doesn't know that that is /dev/sttyN
[04:28] <cellofellow> you may be able to configure that, actually.
[04:28] <DawnLight> ive read the user guide
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, you've read the WINDOWS user guide
[04:29] <DawnLight> it says i have to type "ln -s /dev/ttyS# com#"
[04:29] <cellofellow> I assumed COM1 cause that's what most Windows's call the RS-232 serial prot.
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> [if you mean the user's guide for the software you are running in wine]
[04:29] <DawnLight> the wine user guide
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> =\
[04:30] <cellofellow> well, tune those numbers. I think serial ports start at 0 not 1.
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> yep
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> ttys start @ 0, com ports start @ 1
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> if im not mistaken
[04:31] <DawnLight> yes, i get that from the command dmesg | grep serial
[04:32] <DawnLight> ill try again
[04:32] <DawnLight> where do i type the ln command?
[04:32] <cellofellow> probably put it in some script in .wine
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> so i THINK you want something like /dev/ttyS0 com1
[04:33] <xubuser> if you look in google, it seems that serial ports working in wine is problematic
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> or should i shut up again?
[04:33] <cellofellow> that's what we were thinking at first.
[04:33] <Odd_Bloke> Hi guys, I can't get the Herd 5 CD to install.
[04:33] <cellofellow> :/
[04:33] <Odd_Bloke> It gets as far as formatting my drives and then just ceases.
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> live or alt?
[04:34] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Live, i386.
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, you check the CD?
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> how muh RAM ya got?
[04:34] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: I did not, now you mention it.
[04:34] <Odd_Bloke> 512MB.
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> ya got the ram for it......
[04:35] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, the hardware certainly shouldn't be lacking.
[04:35] <cellofellow> DawnLight: you DO want com1 pointing to /dev/ttyS0, just don't know where you want to put com1.
[04:35] <xubuser> try checking disc
[04:35] <Odd_Bloke> "Turn it off and back on again." :p
[04:36] <Odd_Bloke> xubuser: Yeah, will do.
[04:36] <vidd_laptop> xubuser, ha...i beat ya to THAT one
[04:36] <xubuser> :-P
[04:36] <vidd_laptop> go use the bathroom or get a drink or some thing!
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> i still have 2 more to go
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> =\
[04:37] <xubuser> im drinking mate right now, so it's all your now
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> XD
[04:38] <cellofellow> nity night
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> xubuser, sure...as the room chatter DIES
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> =]
[04:39] <xubuser> :-)
[04:39] <DawnLight> what did he mean by i don't know where to put com1?
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, cellofellow did not know where you set that command at
[04:40] <xubuser> In Unix/Linux, all devices are files, Windows uses a diferent aproach
[04:40] <xubuser> so, in Unix, you have /dev/tty* for serial port
[04:40] <DawnLight> set that command at? i typed it in run program
[04:41] <DawnLight> and it made a file called com1 in my ~
[04:41] <xubuser> but in WIndows, where is the com?
[04:41] <DawnLight> i dont care i think
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> windows gets that info from raping the bios with a rake
[04:42] <xubuser> thanks vidd_laptop
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> like that image?
[04:42] <DawnLight> wine redirects any command to com1 to what i chose
[04:42] <DawnLight> i assume
[04:43] <Odd_Bloke> CD seems to check out.
[04:43] <DawnLight> maybe it works already i dont know actually
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, lol
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> can you test it?
[04:43] <cclampblues> ok i need help
[04:44] <cclampblues> sweet you may have helped me before
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> ask away
[04:44] <DawnLight> the only thing is that in my software that uses com#s the * indicating that a comport is detected is not showing
[04:44] <cclampblues> my menu bars on my desktop are gone.
[04:44] <DawnLight> i dont have the module yet
[04:44] <cclampblues> i boot up and i have icons and nothing else.
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> [alt] [f2]
[04:45] <cclampblues> programs run. but no menu bars
[04:45] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: If that was directed toward me, I have tested it, it was fine.
[04:45] <DawnLight> or any other serial device i think
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, no..someone else
[04:45] <cclampblues> xfce-setting-show
[04:45] <cclampblues> ive done this but
[04:45] <Odd_Bloke> vidd_laptop: Fair enough. :p
[04:45] <cclampblues> when i click on panel nothing happens
[04:46] <xubuser> Odd_Bloke, do you get some message from the console?
[04:46] <cclampblues> but the file manager works
[04:46] <cclampblues> and etc
[04:46] <Odd_Bloke> xubuser: At what point?
[04:46] <xubuser> before the hangup
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> cclampblues, xfc4-panel is the command you need
[04:46] <cclampblues> does that restart it?
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> cclampblues, xfce4-panel
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> yes
[04:47] <DawnLight> its strange, whenever i click on a ~/com# file in thunar, thunar hangs
[04:47] <Odd_Bloke> xubuser: I didn't notice/check. I'm just rebooting to try again.
[04:48] <cclampblues> vidd_laptop you are a genius. thanks
[04:48] <xubuser> when you notice that the computers hangup try alt-FX so you can see the error mesage
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> cclampblues, any luck?
[04:48] <cclampblues> yes thanks
[04:48] <cclampblues> why would it not start on boot?\
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> it tried and crashed?
[04:49] <Odd_Bloke> xubuser: The computer wasn't hanging, the install just disappeared.
[04:49] <cclampblues> have you heard of it before?
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, i always use the alt
[04:49] <xubuser> much better, then you can acces to console to see some mesage
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> cclampblues, all the time
[04:49] <cclampblues> known bug?
[04:50] <cclampblues> is there a list of commands like that to use somewhere?
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> not that im aware of
[04:50] <xubuser> Odd_Bloke, try again if you can, and be alert when the isntall go away, switch to a console and look for any message
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> cclampblues, well, you can run the name of [almost]  any file in the run box
[04:51] <cclampblues> with xfc4-FILENAME
[04:51] <cclampblues> err xfce
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> what i did was bring up my process manager and looked at my running apps to see which one was the task bars
[04:52] <vidd_laptop> for example....if i wanted to bring up my favorite solitare game (no menu item for it by default)
[04:54] <cclampblues> thanks a lot for your help
[04:54] <vidd_laptop> i hit [alt] [f2]  and type ace_freecell
[04:55] <Odd_Bloke> It's got further this time, so it looks like it'll be alright.
[04:55] <xubuser> mey the force be with you Odd_BLoke
[04:55] <xubuser> :-)
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, if that dont work...use a hammer
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> =]
[04:56] <xubuser> lol
[04:57] <vidd_laptop> and i have a 1&1/4" wrench in the car in case i forget it!
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> like my favorite quote from "babalon-5"
[05:00] <xubuser> yes
[05:00] <vidd_laptop> you get more help with a kind word and a 2x4 then you do with just a kind word
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> maybe it just "you get more with....."
[05:02] <vidd_laptop> can you name the character that says that?
[05:04] <xubuser> I don't know
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> sorry...my X crashed
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> it was marcus that said that
[05:09] <xubuser> ah, i'm not a big fan of Babylon 5. I've seen a few episodes
[05:10] <rockabillyjon> How do I figure out which wifi driver my wireless pcmcia card is currently using? madwifi,ipwXXXX, etc. thanks ><
[05:10] <xubuser> lsmod | grep pcmcia
[05:10] <Odd_Bloke> It's working! Hurrah!
[05:11] <xubuser> Congratulations Odd_Bloke!
[05:12] <rockabillyjon> ok. lsmod | grep pcmcia -returned- pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic   ...  I'm not quite sure which one is my current wifi driver
[05:14] <xubuser> mmm, you have to watch the documentation for the driver that appears in the output
[05:14] <xubuser> to look I mean, sorry about my english
[05:15] <rockabillyjon> it's okay. i do appreciate your help
[05:15] <rockabillyjon> what documention are you refering too?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> im sorry... xubuser WHAT WAS THAT?
[05:15] <xubuser> the kernel documentation
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> MY x died again
[05:16] <rockabillyjon> where do I find/watch the kernel documentation? =)
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> everytime i open gxine, my x appears to crash.....
[05:17] <xubuser> i have the same problem some times
[05:17] <xubuser> i don't like gxine
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> but i can get to [ctrl] [alt] [f1]
[05:18] <xubuser> rockabillyjon, wait a second
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> but if i go back to [ctrl] [alt] [f7]  then its toast
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> and i have to reboot by hard power cycle
[05:19] <xubuser> have you tried stopping gdm and restarting it
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> how would i do that?
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> xubuser, you KNOW this means i have to find 3 more ppl to help!
[05:20] <xubuser> '/etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[05:21] <xubuser> '/etc/init.d/gdm start'
[05:21] <xubuser> rockabilly, are you there?
[05:22] <xubuser> :-)
[05:22] <xubuser> My english is ugly, sorry
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> you thing uninstalling and then reinstalling gxine might help?
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> xubuser, its better then mine!
[05:23] <xubuser> I don't think so, but you can try
[05:23] <xubuser> have you tried mplayer?
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> i speak 2 languages....english and moron-ese.....but my english is improving
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> =]
[05:24] <xubuser> :-)
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> no....i thought there were issues with it
[05:24] <xubuser> what issues?
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> dunno.....
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> thats why i never tried it =]
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> gxine always worked b4
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> but i have fiesty now
[05:26] <xubuser> ah, that colud be the reason
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> and its aptly named....if it dont like something it lets you KNOW!
[05:27] <xubuser> i can't get feisty on my computer, I don't have space on my disk
[05:27] <xubuser> When i get a new one, a will use it to test it
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> cool
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> well....im off to bed
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> ill find ppl to help tommorrow
[05:28] <xubuser> yes, me too in a few minutes
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> night
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> [or what ever it is in your corner of the world]
[05:28] <xubuser> it's been a pleasure vidd_laptop, good night
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> likewise
[05:29] <xubuser> rockabillyjon, are you there?
[05:30] <rockabillyjon> How do I change which driver my pcmcia wifi card uses? i want it to use the madwifi. thanks guys. ><
[05:30] <rockabillyjon> xubuser, hey sorry bout that
[05:31] <rockabillyjon> xubuser, i was fiddling with what you told me. =)
[05:31] <xubuser> have you make some progress?
[05:31] <rockabillyjon> xubuser, i couldn't figure out what driver i am currently using, but i learned that I SHOULD be using the madwifi
[05:32] <xubuser> that's good. Do you have the pcmcia-modules package, dont you?
[05:32] <rockabillyjon> um, i don't know? how do I find out.
[05:33] <xubuser> open synaptic, look in the installed packages and see if you got it
[05:33] <rockabillyjon> oh. lol.
[05:33] <rockabillyjon> one sec please.
[05:34] <xubuser> there may be the drivers you are looking for
[05:34] <rockabillyjon> before, I was able to download the madwifi from synaptic, but now that I have it, im not sure how to use it. lol
[05:35] <kristjans> http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/33/Archlinux-screen.png <-- how to i get the news grab like that?
[05:35] <kristjans> do*
[05:36] <rockabillyjon> xubuser, ok, according to Synaptic, i do not have ANY pcmcia-modules installed. =)
[05:36] <xubuser> try installing
[05:37] <rockabillyjon> xubuser, there are a couple differnt versions, I believe they are based on kernel version number... so how do I figure out which kernel version number I'm running? heh, this should be an easy one!!!
[05:38] <xubuser> uname -r
[05:39] <rockabillyjon> interesting. I have version 2.6. and the modules only offer 2.4.
[05:39] <xubuser> let me see
[05:39] <rockabillyjon> =)
[05:40] <xubuser> look pcmciautils
[05:40] <rockabillyjon> aha yes. i do have that one installed.
[05:42] <xubuser> then i don't know, I don't have a pcmcia card. How is the mesage you get from lsmod?
[05:43] <rockabillyjon> hmmmm, i don't know. But I have to go to bed now. Thank you for all of your help! have a good night!
[05:43] <Jester45> night
[05:43] <xubuser> good night
[06:32] <DawnLight> how do i delete a file from terminal?
[06:32] <xubuser> rm filename
[06:33] <DawnLight> worked
[06:33] <DawnLight> turns out linking serial ports in wine isnt so simple
[06:33] <erstazi> hello
[06:33] <xubuser> hi
[06:34] <erstazi> what is the best and most efficient way of switching from ubuntu to xubuntu?
[06:34] <xubuser> first of all
[06:35] <xubuser> uninstall all packages related to ubuntu desktop
[06:35] <xubuser> then
[06:35] <xubuser> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <erstazi> xubuser: latter seems the simple part
[06:35] <erstazi> heh
[06:36] <erstazi> which of the two have larger amounts of packages (had to watch the wording) heh
[06:36] <xubuser> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, but i'm not sure if i'll remove all the packages related to ubtuntu
[06:38] <xubuser> yes, it says that ubuntu-desktop depends on all desktop packages from ubuntu
[06:38] <xubuser> it should work
[06:38] <grazie> removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove all of gnome etc. A fresh install of xubuntu is a much easier option.
[06:39] <erstazi> grazie: that's what I think my best option is
[06:39] <erstazi> especially since I got a fresh install on this machine
[06:39] <erstazi> I like how XFCE is fast but why do you prefer xfce?
[06:40] <xubuser> It's a integrated desktop solution, not just a window manager
[06:40] <xubuser> it's fast, and a low-resources eater
[06:41] <erstazi> xubuser and grazie: I appreciate the answers. I just wanted to clarify so I had no confusion
[06:42] <xubuser> you are welcome erstazi
[06:42] <erstazi> I never used debian before, just other distros
[06:43] <xubuser> If you do some research, you will find that debian is beatifull
[06:43] <xubuser> i takes some time to get use to it, but with ubuntu you have the best of two worlds
[06:44] <erstazi> I am use to CentOS/RHEL, so yeah there are differences
[06:45] <xubuser> I like xubuntu, I think is the best for computers with low resources
[06:46] <xubuser> of courses, you can use debian with a light window manager like icewm too
[06:47] <erstazi> interesting
[06:48] <erstazi> I will have to say, packages-wise the who *buntu family has some major backing
[06:52] <xubuser> yes, i think the same
[10:03] <tuxcrafter> hello guys I am creating a benchmark system for linux and I need tools to test video performance like mpeg2 mpeg3 ogg hd720 hd1080 under linux can you guys help me out
[10:06] <maxamillion> i personally wouldn't know of any good benchmarks :(
[10:06] <maxamillion> sorry
[10:08] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: do you know a good place were they might know it ?
[10:09] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: not really, my best suggestion would be to look around google
[10:09] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: do you know someone that is good with video so we can create a default set of video file with special specs for benchmarking
[10:10] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: i don't know anyone who does video on linux .... only people who code on it, run servers, etc.
[10:11] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: ok thanks :-D
[10:11] <bwananna>  /j #ubuntu-trivia
[10:12] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: btw i volunteerd to be MOTU for clawsmail and ask the opinion of the xubuntu-dev members but they did not say anything about it so I gues they dont want a MOTU for it?
[10:12] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: try #mplayer maybe...
[10:13] <maxamillion> tuxcrafter: last time it was brought up in the mailing lists i thought the devs said the only issue was that we didn't have a MOTU sponsor
[10:14] <tuxcrafter> maxamillion: yes i know but now they doesnt seem to care
[10:15] <maxamillion> :(
[11:33] <followmath> Hallo I need wine in xubuntu anyone knows if it is possible to install on xubuntu?
[11:36] <grazie> yes
[11:36] <grazie> !wine | followmath
[11:36] <ubotu> followmath: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:38] <followmath> tks for answrer but I check in synaptic for package and I did not found it
[11:38] <followmath> Is it on ubuntu/xubuntu cdrom?
[11:43] <followmath> I can't found it in xubuntu cdrom
[11:52] <followmath> someune could help me?
[02:41] <Prisoner_> hello
[02:54] <Prisoner_> hi
[03:22] <Prisoner_> finally got embedded videos to work in FIrefox
[03:30] <Markok765> My music wont play from my ipod in ubuntu
[03:33] <Prisoner_> don't have an IPOD here
[03:34] <Markok765> umm...what?
[03:34] <Prisoner_> have you tried the ubuntuforums.org?
[03:35] <Prisoner_> that's where I find most of my Ubuntu answers
[03:35] <Markok765> I'll check
[03:35] <Prisoner_> I've been using Xubuntu for a few weeks now and so far, I like it
[04:09] <superkirbyartist> The swap does not automaticaly turn on.  Anyone can help please?
[04:57] <DarkWizdom> Hi!, Got a little problem. Transparency is not working in xubuntu :( anyone knows what might be the problem (had kubuntu unstalled recently, there it worked nice)
[04:57] <DarkWizdom> installed*
[04:58] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: you need the composite extension enabled
[04:58] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: and compositing in settings->window manager tweaks
[04:59] <DarkWizdom> thanks! will try that now
[05:03] <DarkWizdom> hmm... so how do I enable composite extension? (I got package installed - libxcomposite1). Cause I couldn't find anything regarding compositing in window manager tweaks...
[05:04] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: ah, it's hidden in edgy, I think
[05:05] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: edit file ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml
[05:05] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: and change the line  <option name="Xfwm/UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"/>
[05:05] <DarkWizdom> ok, thanks! :)
[05:05] <TheSheep> so that it has value="1" like here
[05:05] <DarkWizdom> will try now
[05:07] <DarkWizdom> changed. time for ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[05:10] <DarkWizdom> hmm.. it seems to have worked.. for taskbar only :))
[05:11] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: the rest you can set in that tweaks dialog
[05:11] <DarkWizdom> other programs still don't support transparency
[05:11] <DarkWizdom> oh I see :)
[05:11] <TheSheep> you can also put the mouse cursor on the window title and use alt+scrollwheel to make the window transparent
[05:11] <DarkWizdom> ok, thanks! :)
[05:12] <TheSheep> but terminal has own transparency, which is much better, because the letters are opaque
[05:12] <DarkWizdom> hmm... I got the settings, but still seems to be some problem. I got yakuake installed for example
[05:12] <DarkWizdom> and when I select transparent schema
[05:13] <DarkWizdom> it still stays solid
[05:13] <DarkWizdom> same with konsole
[05:13] <TheSheep> that's because it is only made to work with kde :(
[05:13] <DarkWizdom> ah dammit!
[05:13] <DarkWizdom> :P
[05:13] <TheSheep> I'm sure it can be worked around somehow
[05:13] <TheSheep> but not sure how
[05:14] <TheSheep> hate kde, you see ;P
[05:14] <DarkWizdom> :))
[05:14] <DarkWizdom> I had kde yesterday
[05:14] <DarkWizdom> but
[05:14] <DarkWizdom> I came to a conclusion that
[05:14] <DarkWizdom> on my pIII 1200 with 64mb integrated video
[05:14] <DarkWizdom> xfce would be better :D
[05:16] <TheSheep> I just finished installing it on a P4HT :)
[05:17] <TheSheep> with a gig of ram
[05:17] <DarkWizdom> hehe. on my machine it works 10 times faster... although was quite used to kde..
[05:17] <TheSheep> and 3.4Ghz
[05:17] <DarkWizdom> nice ^^
[05:18] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: actually it's horrible -- had to add about 10 parameters to kernel to even make it boot
[05:18] <DarkWizdom> you mean kde?
[05:18] <DarkWizdom> hmm, I had no problems :)
[05:18] <oops> hey
[05:18] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: I mean this box -- I hate HP
[05:18] <TheSheep> hi oops
[05:19] <DarkWizdom> hehe
[05:19] <DarkWizdom> hi!
[05:19] <xubuser> Hi everyone
[05:19] <TheSheep> aloha xubuser
[05:19] <oops> i looked at the guides to configure my Ralink wireless card
[05:19] <oops> but they envolve apt-get stuff
[05:20] <oops> do I need to be connected via ethernet to get my wireless working?
[05:20] <TheSheep> oops: whatever you do with apt-get you can do with synaptic as well
[05:20] <TheSheep> oops: you can donwload the packages manually from other box from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:20] <TheSheep> oops: and then copy them and install by clicking on them
[05:21] <cellofellow> put them on thumbdrive and use `sudo dpkg -i thefile.deb`
[05:21] <oops> so I just save them to a CD
[05:21] <oops> and then in xubuntu I go to synaptic
[05:21] <oops> add repository
[05:21] <TheSheep> oops: no need for that
[05:21] <TheSheep> oops: in xubuntu just open the cd and click on the packages
[05:21] <cellofellow> that no worky, you have to go to a lot of work to make a repo cd.
[05:21] <oops> ah ok
[05:21] <TheSheep> oops: gdebi should pop up and offer you to install them
[05:22] <cellofellow> not THAT much, just more than you want.
[05:22] <TheSheep> oops: or you can use dpkg -i like cellofellow said
[05:23] <DarkWizdom> but imho having internet connection would be the easyest way :)
[05:23] <oops> yea but I I don't have a cable that's big enough :D
[05:23] <DarkWizdom> lol
[05:24] <oops> kinda complicates stuff
[05:24] <oops> one more thing
[05:25] <oops> in Ubuntu ra0 appeared right way
[05:25] <oops> in the network screen
[05:25] <oops> but in xubuntu it doesn't
[05:25] <oops> instead wlan0 and wmaster0 appear (if i'm not mistaken)
[05:25] <oops> however I didn't got it to work in ubuntu either :s
[05:26] <cellofellow> Gnome uses Network Manager, a heavy-weight, heavy-feature thing.
[05:27] <oops> I'm just downloading the packages now, then I'll go back to xubuntu, try to get it working, then I'll be back
[05:27] <oops> hopefully in xubuntu already
[05:28] <DarkWizdom> good luck :)
[05:29] <Markok765> Thank you
[05:30] <oops> O.o
[05:31] <DarkWizdom> :P
[05:31] <Markok765> I'm kidding
[05:40] <jmichaelx> is it inappropriate to ask feisty questions in this room?
[05:42] <xubuser> i don't know
[05:42] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: ask away
[05:42] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: in the worst case you will be ignored :D
[05:42] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:43] <jmichaelx> well, i upgraded to xubuntu feisty last night, and all seems to have gone well, except that i have not yet been able to get the mouse to work
[05:43] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: what kind of mouse?
[05:44] <jmichaelx> the mouse is PS/2 but is connected to the PC using an adapter for an older style, bigger plug
[05:44] <TheSheep> so it's in fact a com mouse?
[05:44] <jmichaelx> com?
[05:45] <DarkWizdom> I think it's a big version of ps/2 :))
[05:45] <kalikiana> jmichaelx, you are welcome to join the feisty testers ;)
[05:45] <TheSheep> DarkWizdom: there is such thing :)
[05:45] <jmichaelx> ok, that could be....
[05:45] <jmichaelx> ty kalikiana
[05:45] <jmichaelx> :-D
[05:45] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: is it a flat plug, the kind that is called DB-9 ?
[05:45] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: that is possible
[05:46] <DarkWizdom> I know there is :D
[05:46] <jmichaelx> this is an old K6-2 motherboad... it only has a one PS/2 port, for a keyboard
[05:46] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: http://www.ise.eu.com/images/adapterdbnineplugtopstwosocket.jpg <-- like this?
[05:47] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: no, it is just like a really big PS/2
[05:47] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: DNI?
[05:47] <TheSheep> DIN
[05:48] <TheSheep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector
[05:48] <jmichaelx> and i have no idea where i even got the adapter. i just found it in a box of stuff that i have
[05:48] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: well, I have some bad news and some good news for you, which do you want first?
[05:48] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: lay the bad news on me
[05:48] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:49] <jmichaelx> because i believe that DIN is it
[05:49] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: your mouse will not work with this connector
[05:50] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: it worked under breezy dapper and edgy
[05:50] <TheSheep> that's weird
[05:50] <TheSheep> anyways, the good news is that your keyboard should work with it
[05:50] <jmichaelx> yeah, it worked until this upgrade to feisty last night
[05:51] <jmichaelx> well, there is a regular PS/2 port for the keyboard
[05:51] <TheSheep> you can use it for your mouse
[05:51] <jmichaelx> so, just switch them around?
[05:51] <TheSheep> yes
[05:51] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: i had no idea you could do that
[05:52] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: you can eve connect 2 keyboards :)
[05:52] <TheSheep> or 2 mice
[05:52] <TheSheep> not underwindows, but linux doesn't care
[05:53] <TheSheep> and the "big ps/2" port was originally only used for keyboards
[05:53] <TheSheep> I still have some keaybords with the large DIN plug
[05:53] <jmichaelx> sweet
[05:53] <jmichaelx> thank you
[05:53] <TheSheep> and use a converter to ps/2
[05:55] <jmichaelx> i wonder why my configuration worked in earlier versions of xubuntu, but not now?
[05:55] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: probably some changes in udev rules
[05:56] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: makes sense
[05:56] <jmichaelx> i do appreciate the help
[05:56] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: or they removed the driver for "ps/2 over din" mouse
[05:56] <silvertip257> hi guys long time since I've talked to ya
[05:56] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: it could be something they'll put back in by final, then
[05:57] <silvertip257> my install of Xubuntu Edgy is not mounting my swap partition when it boots up; I'm not sure what to do or if I should touch anything in /etc/fstab
[05:57] <TheSheep> silvertip257: do you have swap mentioned in fstab?
[05:57] <silvertip257> yes
[05:57] <silvertip257> it's in there
[05:58] <TheSheep> can you paste the line here?
[05:58] <xubuser> yes, do that
[05:58] <silvertip257> certainly I will
[05:58] <silvertip257> # /dev/hda3
[05:58] <silvertip257> UUID=4f8d5ad5-0aef-4bee-a3ed-5fb75d96f05e none            swap    sw              0       0
[05:59] <TheSheep> silvertip257: it's commented out
[05:59] <silvertip257> oh :(
[05:59] <TheSheep> silvertip257: remove the '#' from the beginning
[05:59] <silvertip257> hmm lemme look @ the rest of them
[05:59] <silvertip257> ok
[06:00] <silvertip257> The Sheep:  here is my root partition
[06:00] <silvertip257> # /dev/hda2
[06:00] <silvertip257> UUID=0df9ee8a-f4de-4986-b662-6bacc0bdaa46 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:00] <TheSheep> silvertip257: are you sure there are no other lines?
[06:00] <silvertip257> yep
[06:00] <TheSheep> silvertip257: ones that are not commented?
[06:00] <xubuser> you can just put /dev/hda3 and delete the UUID
[06:01] <TheSheep> silvertip257: i.e. don't have a '#' at the beginning
[06:01] <TheSheep> xubuser: bad idea
[06:01] <silvertip257> they all do
[06:01] <xubuser> why TheSheep?
[06:01] <silvertip257> they all have the # at the beginning of the drive name
[06:01] <silvertip257> I wanna know why too =)
[06:01] <R[a] ndom> not that bad of an idea
[06:01] <R[a] ndom> it just means if the drives change order itll stop working
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> but with the uuids you could plug 'em into diff't cables and everything would be fine
[06:02] <xubuser> off course, but at least you can mount swap
[06:02] <TheSheep> xubuser: because there are some changes in naming between kernel versions in edgy, some versions use 'hda' and some 'sda', plus windows installers can chnage the order of your partitions and then your linux would stop booting
[06:02] <xubuser> Oh, i see
[06:02] <silvertip257> The Sheep the only ones that don't have the # at the beginning are the CD/DVD and the floppy
[06:02] <TheSheep> silvertip257: ah, sorry
[06:02] <silvertip257> np
[06:02] <TheSheep> silvertip257: it's two lines!
[06:02] <silvertip257> read above ^^
[06:03] <TheSheep> silvertip257: the drive name should be commented, it's ok
[06:03] <silvertip257> kkk
[06:03] <silvertip257> thought so
[06:03] <TheSheep> the line that starts with UUID shoudn't
[06:03] <silvertip257> well any ideas why it isnt automounting it?
[06:03] <silvertip257> hmmm
[06:03] <silvertip257> yea right they dont
[06:03] <TheSheep> try 'swapon -a' and see if you have any messages
[06:03] <xubuser> can you try to mount it manaully
[06:03] <silvertip257> the drive name is commented though # /dev/hda?
[06:04] <silvertip257> umm
[06:04] <silvertip257> the sheep:  swapon -a I've already tried
[06:04] <TheSheep> silvertip257: that's because the UUID identifies the drive
[06:04] <silvertip257> doesnt work
[06:04] <TheSheep> silvertip257: the comments are there only for you
[06:04] <silvertip257> oh ok the sheep
[06:04] <silvertip257> mmhmm
[06:04] <TheSheep> what does 'free' say?
[06:04] <silvertip257> The Sheep:  swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/4f8d5ad5-0aef-4bee-a3ed-5fb75d96f05e: No such file or directory
[06:05] <silvertip257> ok FREE:  Swap:            0          0          0
[06:07] <xubuser> maybe you can just fdisk again the swap partition?
[06:07] <silvertip257> well
[06:07] <silvertip257> then w/o re-installing will it mount ???
[06:08] <TheSheep> silvertip257: what does vol_id /dev/hda2 say?
[06:09] <silvertip257> ID_FS_USAGE=filesystem
[06:09] <silvertip257> ID_FS_TYPE=ext3
[06:09] <silvertip257> ID_FS_VERSION=1.0
[06:09] <silvertip257> ID_FS_UUID=0df9ee8a-f4de-4986-b662-6bacc0bdaa46
[06:09] <silvertip257> ID_FS_LABEL=
[06:09] <silvertip257> ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE=
[06:09] <TheSheep> hmm... that's not a swap partition
[06:09] <TheSheep> fdisk -l
[06:09] <silvertip257> The Sheep:  hda2 is my root
[06:09] <silvertip257> yah
[06:10] <silvertip257> ik
[06:10] <TheSheep> aah, sorry
[06:10] <silvertip257> ID_FS_USAGE=other
[06:10] <silvertip257> ID_FS_TYPE=swap
[06:10] <silvertip257> ID_FS_VERSION=2
[06:10] <silvertip257> ID_FS_UUID=8482ad30-ffc3-4efe-89b8-adfaf902ce1f
[06:10] <silvertip257> ID_FS_LABEL=
[06:10] <silvertip257> ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE=
[06:10] <TheSheep> then vol_id /dev/hda3
[06:10] <silvertip257> ** there ***
[06:10] <TheSheep> see, it's different
[06:10] <silvertip257> mmhmm
[06:10] <TheSheep> did you move it or something?
[06:10] <silvertip257> nope
[06:10] <TheSheep> replace the uuid in your fstab with this one
[06:10] <silvertip257> i reinstalled months ago & it worked ok
[06:10] <TheSheep> 8482ad30-ffc3-4efe-89b8-adfaf902ce1f
[06:10] <silvertip257> oh?
[06:11] <TheSheep> and it should work
[06:11] <silvertip257> and why that one?
[06:11] <TheSheep> because that's the uuid of your swap partition
[06:11] <TheSheep> 18:10 < silvertip257> ID_FS_UUID=8482ad30-ffc3-4efe-89b8-adfaf902ce1f
[06:11] <silvertip257> oh ok
[06:12] <silvertip257> I wonder why they are different then...
[06:12] <TheSheep> yeah
[06:12] <silvertip257> from the fstab one ya know ...
[06:12] <TheSheep> wonder
[06:12] <ormiret> silvertip257: have you installed any other distros that might ahve reformatted the swap?
[06:13] <silvertip257> not recently no
[06:13] <silvertip257> i did put ubuntu on it after xubuntu though
[06:13] <silvertip257> or was it the other way around ...?
[06:13] <silvertip257> hmm i forget
[06:14] <silvertip257> well I'm gonna reboot & see how it goes
[06:15] <silvertip257> thanks guys
[06:15] <silvertip257> if it works I'll be back in a min or two
[06:15] <silvertip257> * wish me luck ^.^ *
[06:15] <ormiret> see you then...
[06:20] <jmichaelx> TheSheep: i switched my PS/2 cables around... now i have no working  mouse or keyboard lol
[06:21] <DarkWizdom> ^^
[06:33] <looping_> hello
[06:34] <TheSheep> jmichaelx: this is WEIRD
[06:54] <oops> back
[07:00] <cclampblues> anyone awake?
[07:00] <TheSheep> no
[07:00] <looping_> cclampblues: yep
[07:00] <looping_> :p
[07:00] <cclampblues> cool beans
[07:00] <posingaspopular> cclampblues: hate sleep
[07:01] <cclampblues> i have another question for you guys
[07:01] <TheSheep> cclampblues: sorry, that was your limit for today ;)
[07:01] <posingaspopular> cclampblues: try again tommorow
[07:03] <TheSheep> cclampblues: do ask
[07:03] <cclampblues> when i booted up today i got somethin like this: /dev/hda1 has been mounted 30 times and needs checked... then i got a few buffer i/o errors on hda1; logical blocks (logical constapation?) and that i needed to run fsck manually
[07:04] <cclampblues> which i did and it said it was clean. but sometimes when i boot my kernel gets scared and panics and crashes and i have to restart it. i was wondering if these things were connected and/or if this was an indication that my hard drive is fubar
[07:04] <cclampblues> ?
[07:05] <TheSheep> cclampblues: it might be
[07:05] <TheSheep> cclampblues: look into your dmesg and see if you're getting io errors
[07:05] <cclampblues> is there another way to check it? or perhaps could it be related to bad ram?
[07:06] <TheSheep> cclampblues: it can be anything, bad disk, bad ram, bad cpu, bad motherboard
[07:06] <cclampblues> oh goodie
[07:06] <cclampblues> i think i have a bad ramstick for sure. did i meantion that? haha
[07:06] <TheSheep> cclampblues: you can test the ram with memtest -- press esc at the boot and select it from the menu
[07:06] <TheSheep> cclampblues: well, that'd explain all the data corruption
[07:07] <TheSheep> cclampblues: and system unstability
[07:07] <TheSheep> cclampblues: linux always uses all available ram -- for disk buffers and such. So bad ram will lead to filesystem corruption too.
[07:08] <cclampblues> i know it sounds stupid but my thinking was on boot it would "ignore" the bad stick alltogether and that when it cheked hda1 that it would indicate a problem with my harddrive
[07:08] <cclampblues> oh... well then if it always uses all ram i should just pull that thing out then right?
[07:09] <TheSheep> cclampblues: good idea
[07:09] <cclampblues> but linux will never "ignore" bad ram?
[07:09] <TheSheep> cclampblues: do poweroff your computer before that, though
[07:09] <cclampblues> lol thanks for the advice.
[07:09] <TheSheep> cclampblues: how could it do that?
[07:10] <TheSheep> cclampblues: how would it know it's bad?
[07:10] <TheSheep> cclampblues: it doesn't do full ram test every time, you know
[07:10] <cclampblues> hell i dunno. when i hit f2 to enter bios setup it shows i have 64mb available. i have 2 64mb sticks installed. so i figured it "ignored" it. make sense?
[07:10] <TheSheep> you can mark the ram as faulty by removing it from the computer :D
[07:11] <cclampblues> haha ok underestood
[07:11] <TheSheep> well, it might mean you need to flip some jumpers or set something in bios for it to see full 128MB
[07:11] <cclampblues> i cant change it in the bios
[07:12] <TheSheep> I also had a weird motherboard once that took two kinds of ram, but only one kind at a time -- they shared pins
[07:12] <cclampblues> as for jumpers i dont know. its a lappy. old p3 dell latitude.
[07:12] <TheSheep> replacing ram in laptops was complicated
[07:12] <TheSheep> you might want to do some reasearch on your particular model
[07:13] <TheSheep> google or something
[07:13] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:13] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: are you using konversation?
[07:13] <TheSheep> hi hyper_ch
[07:13] <cclampblues> would ram explain my panel not starting automatically on boot?
[07:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: of course not, that's kde evil
[07:13] <hyper_ch> konverstaion is not kde ;)
[07:14] <hyper_ch> too bad :)
[07:14] <TheSheep> cclampblues: it can explain disk corruption, and corrupted files can explain the panel...
[07:14] <cclampblues> word up.
[07:16] <cclampblues> THANKS TheSheep - I'm gonna tie one end of a string around my bad ram stick. then im going to the other end to a door knob on an open door. then im going to slam the door shut. it ought to get the ram out ok. im sure ill be back in here later.
[07:17] <TheSheep> %)
[07:19] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you think upgrade from Herd5 to stable will be simple?
[07:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: should be
[07:25] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: never done such an upgrade :)
[07:26] <hyper_ch> I'm still amazed that an alpha runs so well
[07:26] <hyper_ch> it's more stable than my winxp used to be
[07:54] <feta> does anyone have experience of getting festival to work on xubuntu?
[07:57] <akao> can't say i do
[07:57] <akao> not even sure what festival is
[07:58] <silvertip257> Will anyone help me install themes onto my Xubuntu Edgy install (I've tried Googling already)
[07:59] <feta> akao: turns text into speech.
[08:24] <ardchoille> I installed Ubuntu from the Ubuntu alternate ISO. I am looking to try xfce as many say it's quite nice. What all do I need to install?
[08:24] <ardchoille> xfce, xfce-?
[08:24] <ardchoille> Or does it depend on what I want my xfce to do?
[08:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'xubuntu-desktop' will provide xfce and the applications bundled with it for Xubuntu.
[08:25] <ardchoille> Oh, wow, that is much easier than what I had planned.
[08:28] <ardchoille> Thanks PuMpErNiCkLe
[08:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[08:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> feta: Have you encountered any specific problems with festival?
[08:30] <dylan_> y hallo thar
[08:30] <dylan_> just curious
[08:30] <dylan_> is there anything like this for Xubuntu?: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31031
[08:45] <feta> PuMpErNiCkLe: yes. it won't play any words
[08:46] <feta> festival> (SayText "Hello")
[08:46] <feta> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: Permission denied
[08:46] <feta> #<Utterance 0xb7231a18>
[08:46] <R[a] ndom> festival ftw
[08:46] <R[a] ndom> it wakes me up to music + weather forecast + news
[08:46] <R[a] ndom> heh
[08:47] <feta> is there any graphical interface to festival?
[08:48] <R[a] ndom> not that I've seen
[08:48] <R[a] ndom> what would it do?
[08:48] <ardchoille> Looks like xfce is installed. Gotta log into it.
[08:49] <feta> what would a graphical interface to festival do? be a graphical interface to festival?
[08:51] <R[a] ndom> festival reads text tho
[08:51] <R[a] ndom> it would just be a text box and a read button
[08:51] <R[a] ndom> maybe a dropdown to change voice
[08:52] <feta> well, rather i'd wish for a complete software set without the need to do any configs or tweaks
[08:53] <ardchoille> Wow, this thing loads fast :)
[08:57] <silvertip257> I'm trying to remap some keys and I'm using XFCE 4.4, but cannot get it to allow me to add a command - I have created a custom kybd layout though so far
[09:00] <silvertip257> nvm i'm stupid
[09:17] <ardchoille> I'm liking xfce
[09:17] <ardchoille> How do I get the top panel to the bottom of ths screen?
[09:18] <TheSheep> right click, customize panel, and in the 'position' section click apropriate button
[09:19] <ardchoille> That did it
[09:19] <ardchoille> Thanks
[09:21] <ardchoille> I think I see a bug.
[09:21] <ardchoille> In order to get the context menu for the notification area, you have to quit all apps using that not area first, then click on the frame.
[09:22] <TheSheep> you can click on the frame right away if you have good aim ;)
[09:22] <TheSheep> I usually click on the edge of the screen
[09:23] <ardchoille> My aim isn't that goo
[09:23] <ardchoille> d
[09:23] <TheSheep> but you're right, maybe you should go and report it on the xfce bug tracker?
[09:23] <TheSheep> bugs.xfce.org
[09:24] <ardchoille> Also, the notification area doesn't resize icons to fit totally in the not area. At less than 30, the icons are cut off at the top.
[09:24] <ardchoille> Ah, yeah, maybe I should report these things.
[09:24] <ardchoille> This is quite nice, though.
[09:24] <TheSheep> ardchoille: well, the latter is not the bug in xfce but in the specific applications and their icon-handling code
[09:24] <ardchoille> Loads fast, looks good, responsive.. nice break from gnome
[09:24] <TheSheep> ardchoille: it's mostly with kde apps
[09:25] <ardchoille> I don't use any kde stuff, don't like them. gnome only for years.
[09:25] <TheSheep> :)
[09:26] <TheSheep> oh, I gave you a wrong address for the xfce bugtracker, it's http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[09:26] <ardchoille> Hmm.. I don't even need the top panel as middle click shows the workspaces and their apps.
[09:26] <ardchoille> TheSheep: Thank you :)
[09:26] <TheSheep> they really do care about bugs -- I had one persistent bug since 4.2 that was aprticulary annoying, and when I saw they didn't fix it in 4.4 I went to the bugtracker and found it's not even reported
[09:27] <TheSheep> then I reported the bug and had a patch for it the same day
[09:27] <ardchoille> Nice
[09:27] <TheSheep> so, even if something seems obvious, it's still worth to report
[09:28] <ardchoille> Yeah
[09:28] <TheSheep> hi SamRose :)
[09:28] <kalikiana_> I can fully underline that bugs are answered very quickly :)
[09:28] <ardchoille> How do I edit the menu? The stuff between Settings and Help? I think this stuff comes from /usr/share/applications
[09:29] <TheSheep> ardchoille: yes, it's generated automatically from these files
[09:29] <kalikiana_> ardchoille, you need to edit the .desktop files in there
[09:29] <TheSheep> ardchoille: you need to edit the .desktop files to change that menu
[09:29] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, I was faster :P
[09:30] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: still practicing touchtyping :P
[09:30] <ardchoille> "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;" <-- that's why they're not showing.  grrr
[09:30] <TheSheep> ardchoille: in my experience, the .desktop files will get replaced back with the updates anyways, so it's better to edit the local copies in ~/.local/share/applications/
[09:31] <kalikiana_> TheSheep, what "bad practices" was 'The Crash' caused by?
[09:31] <ardchoille> sed -i 's/OnlyShowIn=GNOME/OnlyShowIn=/g' /usr/share/applications/*
[09:31] <ardchoille> That fixed it :)
[09:31] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: a co-worker used up all the free space on our home partition in the middle of the night with his cron-invoked cvs backup of mysql database :P
[09:32] <TheSheep> ardchoille: radical
[09:32] <kalikiana_> ouch :)
[09:33] <TheSheep> kalikiana_: pretty stupid
[09:34] <ardchoille> hehe, Donna says "I'm keeping this".
[09:35] <ardchoille> bye bye gnome
[09:35] <ardchoille> I guess if I like it so well, I should install from an xubuntu ISO
[09:35] <TheSheep> ardchoille: it doesn't really make much difference
[09:35] <ardchoille> Oh, ok.
[09:35] <ardchoille> Good to know.
[09:36] <TheSheep> ardchoille: aparat from some gnome leftovers here and there and a different upsplash, that you can change anyways
[09:36] <ardchoille> usplash? The boot splash?
[09:36] <TheSheep> yes
[09:36] <ardchoille> Ah, I use 'quiet vga=791' in the menu.lst
[09:37] <TheSheep> no, the usplash image is compressed in your initrd
[09:37] <ardchoille> Need a decent res in tty's cuz I use irssi there sometimes
[09:37] <TheSheep> it's taken from /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so everytime you upgrade your kernel
[09:38] <ardchoille> I don't see a splash image when booting, I edited the menu.lst to not show a splash when booting
[09:38] <TheSheep> ah, in the old day there was that tool for tweaking the text mode
[09:39] <ardchoille> There still is a tool.. it's called vim
[09:39] <TheSheep> allowed you to get modes like 160x80 in 200Hz
[09:39] <TheSheep> by changing the svga registers and replacing the font bitmaps
[09:39] <ardchoille> Oh, that..
[09:40] <TheSheep> SvgaTextMode or something like that
[09:40] <TheSheep> I didn't have a monitor good enough to really exploit it at the time
[09:40] <TheSheep> it's not that hot with lcd
[09:44] <ardchoille> Is it possible to edit the context menu in Thunar? I use nautilus scripts in nautilus to have context menu items like Copy to, move to, encrypt, decrypt, etc.
[09:45] <TheSheep> ardchoille: thunar has actions
[09:45] <TheSheep> ardchoille: in 'configure custom actions'
[09:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:45] <ardchoille> TheSheep: Ah hah :)
[09:45] <TheSheep> ardchoille: you can also put items in the 'sent to' menu
[09:45] <TheSheep> ardchoille: by creating apropriate .desktop files
[09:45] <TheSheep> hi slow-motion
[09:46] <slow-motion> hi TheSheep
[09:47] <TheSheep> ah, there is is, svgatextmode
[09:51] <ardchoille> TheSheep: How do I do a Thunar action the get it to ask me for a dest dir? I wanna click on a file, choose "Move To" and have it ask me for a path, then move the file to the path I selected.
[09:55] <ardchoille> In a nautilus script it's simply mv "$arg" "$location"
[10:05] <kalikiana_> ardchoille, Try zenitiy perhaps?
[10:10] <ardchoille> kalikiana_: Yeah
[10:10] <ardchoille> bbiab
[11:05] <sacater> me need xfce 4.4.0!! im using the 4.3 BETA!
[11:10] <sacater> me need xfce 4.4.0!! im using the 4.3 BETA! where can i gain the ubuntu version
[11:16] <grazie> sacater: you could upgrade to feisty, but it is still in testing
[11:42] <null_> Due to a bad CD-ROM, I had to complete most of my install using 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop.'  This did not automatically install my wireless card.  How can I go about having it recognize and install my card?
[11:50] <null_> Does Xubuntu have atheros drivers/madwifi installed by default?
[11:52] <crdlb> null_, it would be the same as ubuntu, and yes
[11:52] <crdlb> iirc
[11:53] <null_> My install crapped out due to a defective CD-ROM so my wireless card wasn't detected.  How do I fix it?
[11:53] <crdlb> the modules should be in linux-restricted-modules
[11:53] <null_> Is there a detect-new-hardware script I can run?
[11:57] <DawnLight> hey hey people
[11:57] <null_> Hi!
[11:57] <DawnLight> anyone recommend an md5 checksum calculator for xubuntu?
[11:58] <DawnLight> or perhaps i have one i dont know about?
[11:58] <null_> md5?
[11:58] <null_> md5sum
[11:58] <DawnLight> yes that
[11:58] <null_> go to terminal, type md5sum filename
[11:59] <DawnLight> thats lovely
[11:59] <null_> :)
[12:03] <DawnLight> unfortunately it checked out bad
[12:03] <slow-motion> n8
[12:03] <null_> that sucks :(
[12:03] <crdlb> lol wouldn't that say "nate"
[12:03] <DawnLight> it's the edgy alt. i guess i should use a download manager, huh?
[12:03] <null_> perhaps
[12:03] <null_> i never had trouble downloading it
[12:03] <null_> are you on a spotty connection?
[12:04] <crdlb> DawnLight, use wget
[12:04] <null_> does wget support resume?
[12:04] <crdlb> yes
[12:04] <crdlb> wget -c
[12:04] <null_> :D
[12:04] <DawnLight> i do get some hash fails on bittorrent
[12:04] <null_> hmm that's no good
[12:04] <null_> well, actually that is normal
[12:05] <DawnLight> can wget replace only the messed up parts of the file i have?
[12:05] <null_> you could truncate the file a bit and then continue
[12:05] <DawnLight> how would i know where to truncate
[12:06] <DawnLight> how do i get wget help?
[12:06] <null_> man wget
[12:06] <null_> or wget --help
[12:06] <null_> you could truncate the last 1%, 10%, 50%
[12:06] <null_> depends how badly you think it screwed up
[12:06] <null_> are you sure the file download completed?
[12:16] <DawnLight> where is it downloading it to by default?
[12:17] <crdlb> DawnLight, wget downloads to the current directory
[12:18] <DawnLight> how do i know what the current directory is?
[12:18] <crdlb> pwd
[12:18] <DawnLight> and how do i stop it?!?!!!
[12:18] <crdlb> ctrl+c
[12:19] <DawnLight> worderful. how do i change that?
[12:20] <crdlb> DawnLight, you can specify the "output document" with -O
[12:20] <crdlb> that should be the path to the file where you want it downloaded (not the folder)
[12:23] <Eagle_101> is xubuntu using xfce 4.4.0?
[12:23] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: depends on your version
[12:23] <Eagle_101> 6.10?
[12:23] <Eagle_101> was my version?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> click on applications --> about Xfce


[01:46] <smoser> hey. just wondering.
[01:46] <smoser> I had the idea that our team could get a jump on testing of -proposed by uploading to a PPA exactly what we uploaded to -proposed
[01:47] <smoser> then we could test that before an SRU team member reviewed and let into -proposed.
[01:47] <smoser> I tried that, but
[01:47] <smoser> Uploads aren't permitted to pocket: proposed
[01:49] <smoser> i guess thats easily fixable by not setting the release to 'xenial-proposed' in our changelog.
[02:24] <TJ-> I seem to have found a package-install failure on upgrade on bionic for libc6-{,dev-}armhf-cross, reported it in comment #32 of Bug #1769657
[02:34] <sarnold> TJ-: anything in dmesg or auditd logs?
[02:37] <TJ-> sarnold: not found anything, no.
[02:39] <sarnold> TJ-: thanks for looking. I didn't see any problems with installing these brand-new, so I wondered if it was something more specific to your system..
[02:42] <TJ-> sarnold: yeah, I've tried several times in different ways (apt --reinstall  vs dpkg -i) and the same issue occurs. I've re-fetched the .debs in case of corruption too
[02:43] <TJ-> sarnold: I guess I should strace it
[02:44] <sarnold> how about debsums -a libc6-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armhf-cross  ?
[02:52] <TJ-> sarnold: reports !=   because the installed files are the previous package still
[03:01] <TJ-> the strace looks weird; the various hf -> libhf directory names and symlinking make it confusing but it seems like it is unlink-ing the file then wondering where it has gone!
[06:31] <alkisg> Hi, `apt install` in 18.04 deletes e.g. "/var/cache/apt/archives/sl_3.03-17build2_amd64.deb" right after `apt install sl`. That would be a bug and not a design choice, right?
[06:31] <alkisg> I.e. it autocleans all downloaded debs right after their installation. I think it didn't do that a few months ago, so it must be a recent issue...
[06:33] <alkisg> Example: apt purge sl; apt clean; strace -fe trace=file apt install sl 2>&1 | tail; ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:33] <alkisg> ==> unlink("/var/cache/apt/archives/sl_3.03-17build2_amd64.deb") = 0
[08:47] <rbasak> infinity: you might be interested in bug 1795919. glibc is implicated. Do you happen to know of any changes in this area?
[08:56] <infinity> rbasak: Not sure I see much implication there, based on the mailing list post's "science". :P
[08:56] <rbasak> infinity: I thought it was "glibc upgrade triggers the bug with nothing else changed"?
[08:57] <infinity> rbasak: No, it was "I recompiled it on a machine with glibc 2.24", which really doesn't tell me at all what he changed.
[08:57] <infinity> rbasak: The implication of "machine with glibc 2.24" is "everything there is older and different".
[08:57] <infinity> rbasak: Yes, he's right that the header changed, https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d728087ef8cc826b05bd21d0c74d4eca9b1a27d
[08:58] <infinity> rbasak: But that should have been something vaguely close to a no-op.  And if it wasn't, it's a kernel bug.
[08:58] <infinity> (ie: glibc has stopped (re)defining kernel stuff, and glibc has nothing to do with quotas)
[08:59] <rbasak> Perhaps dovecot is "uncalculating" the size based on the wrong block size?
[09:11] <infinity> rbasak: Simple reproducer welcome? :P
[09:13] <infinity> rbasak: Worth noting that<PHONE_NUMBER> (reported by dovecot) /1024 is exactly 2710396 (reported by repquota)
[09:30] <rbasak> tdaitx: are you waiting for something on https://code.launchpad.net/~tdaitx/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+git/initramfs-tools/+merge/355346? We don't have automatic sponsorship as part of the process; if you need sponsorship you'll need to find a sponsor out of band.
[13:01] <coreycb> tjaalton: hi, any chance you could take a look at neutron in the bionic unapproved queue during your sru rota today? it has some critical bug fixes.
[13:09] <tjaalton> coreycb: on it
[14:00] <coreycb> great, thanks tjaalton
[15:24] <rbasak> vorlon: ready for the Launchpad git switch. Do I need to work out what API call to make and tell you? cjwatson asked us to test on qastaging first.
[15:26] <alkisg> Hi, `apt install` in 18.04 deletes e.g. "/var/cache/apt/archives/sl_3.03-17build2_amd64.deb" right after `apt install sl`. That would be a bug and not a design choice, right?
[15:26] <alkisg> I.e. it autocleans all downloaded debs right after their installation. I think it didn't do that a few months ago, so it must be a recent issue...
[15:27] <rbasak> Could that be intentional to keep things clean?
[15:28] <alkisg> I didn't find any documentation about it, and it would be rather strange to invalidate the purpose of apt caching without documentation...
[15:31] <cjwatson> rbasak,vorlon: I don't recall if there are any usd-import-team repositories on qastaging (hard to check because qastaging does tend to time out an awful lot).  Might be worth creating some if not so that we can make sure they still work.
[15:32] <cjwatson> The API operation would be `ubuntu = lp.distributions['ubuntu']; ubuntu.vcs = 'Git'; ubuntu.lp_save()`
[15:33] <cjwatson> I guess we can find out if the API change works, but it's not clear how much more we can test with all the timeouts :-/
[16:43] <vorlon> cjwatson, rbasak: are you ready for me to run that API operation on qastaging?
[16:44] <cjwatson> vorlon: Sure
[16:47] <vorlon> cjwatson, rbasak: done
[16:47] <cjwatson> https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at looks plausible
[16:48] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:48] <cjwatson> Which I guess is literally the only effect, isn't it
[16:48] <cjwatson> vorlon: I think you can go ahead and do production too
[16:49] <nacc> we probably didnt' update the 'default' repo in qa staging?
[16:49] <cjwatson> Indeed, that's not a concern
[16:49] <nacc> ack
[16:49] <vorlon> cjwatson, rbasak: also done on prod
[16:49] <rbasak> Thank you!
[16:49] <nacc> woop, nice work rbasak, vorlon !
[16:49] <cjwatson> LGTM
[16:49] <nacc> and cjwatson :)
[16:50] <rbasak> I wonder if we should also point HEAD to the applied branches
[16:50] <oSoMoN> doko, FYI I'm tracking the libreoffice autopkgtest failure caused by openjdk 11 with bug #1796361
[16:50] <rbasak> Any opinions on that?
[16:50] <nacc> rbasak: good question
[16:51] <cjwatson> I would, but you know my opinion on applied vs. unapplied
[16:51] <rbasak> That's intended for first timers - they don't necessarily know about quilt, and pointing HEAD to applied/ubuntu/devel would show them exactly what they might expect from master somewhere else.
[16:51] <rbasak> cjwatson: I forget. Did you want everything always applied?
[16:51] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, it's probably a reasonable default -- would change the workflow for developers, but that's not too big of a deal
[16:51] <cjwatson> I've always preferred applied, yes
[16:52] <cjwatson> But don't know git-ubuntu well enough to be certain
[16:52] <rbasak> OK. Consider that decided, though I need to land a code change to make the importer do that, but edge is currently broken, so it won't be for a few days
[16:53] <nacc> rbasak: just update the HEAD on the push?
[16:53] <rbasak> Yeah. We already do, don't we? So we just need to tweak what it sets it to.
[16:54] <nacc> rbasak: uh possibly :)
[16:54] <rbasak> Trivial code change, but I want to get it into the production importer, so it's just a case of going through the snap publication, etc.
[16:54] <rbasak> So as soon as I've fixed edge :)
[16:54] <nacc> lol
[16:54] <nacc> aack
[18:28] <plars> bdmurray: hi, do you think you can take a look at this and see if there's anything else that would be useful? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1796193
[18:29] <plars> bdmurray: I don't have access to the systems right this minute due to a power outage, but hopefully that will be resolved soon. It's causing some problems with some automated testing that I'm trying to get running
[18:52] <nacc> ibverbs-providers Provides some libraries and Breaks older versions of them. If you specify ibverbs-providers and ibverbs-providers:i386 to be installed, dpkg complains: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gTKq8kYnWN/
[18:52] <nacc> why does it do that? the breaks is on a version older than the one specified, afaict
[18:53] <nacc> nm, it's fixed in 18.10!
[18:59] <nacc> LP: #1796388 fwiw
[19:11] <tdaitx> rbasak: regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~tdaitx/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+git/initramfs-tools/+merge/355346 it is just that this is a fix for the attachment to that bug, not to the bug itself, it came out during last sprint conversations
[19:11] <tdaitx> it's on hold right now
[19:33] <Unit193> rbasak: Plans of having the rest of the repository in VCS?
[19:35] <nacc> Unit193: i think there are plans, but probably not until we do the remiport the world step to fix the main repositories
[19:36] <nacc> Unit193: and then we will phase in universe slowly
[19:36] <Unit193> OK, most of the packages I have an interest in are in universe. :)
[19:42] <nacc> Unit193: fair :)
[19:48] <Unit193> And just last night, I `pull-lp-source $pkg`;scp pkg/debian/patches/*.patch server:wwwdir/source/  and linked someone, having a browsable source would be useful indeed. :)
[19:49] <nacc> Unit193: heh, we can do one-offs of things that are priorities to developers as well
[23:05] <Unit193> cjwatson: Not seen you active, so just going to say thanks for your recent work in twisted!  Didn't see https://github.com/twisted/twisted/pull/1053, and great to hear you might be picking up the ed25519 pull too.  Also glad the openssh/openssl issue seems to have been fixed in a pretty reasonable way (rather than bundling,or whatnot.)
[23:06] <cjwatson> Unit193: np - still a fair distance to having ed25519 working, but we're gradually trundling along
[23:07] <Unit193> Yes, but I still appreciate your work on it.


[08:51] <JonathanD> Morning
[09:26] <rmg51> Morning
[09:32] <JonathanD> hey
[09:33] <rmg51> hay
[09:33] <JonathanD> Considering grilling some chicken.
[09:37] <rmg51> considering having my usual cereal
[09:37] <JonathanD> The chicken would be for lunch.
[09:40] <rmg51> too much trouble for me this early in the morning
[09:40] <JonathanD> Best time to do it.
[09:41] <JonathanD> I grill an extra one, throw some eggs on top, and have a chicken egg and cheese sandwich.
[09:53] <rmg51> see above ^
[09:54] <JonathanD> It's no tribble at all.
[10:05] <rmg51> then you can cook for me and bring it over when your done :-D
[11:19] <Samuraialba> I want chicken :)
[11:19] <Samuraialba> I might grab some sausage, egg, and cheese biscuits at school
[11:19] <Samuraialba> :)
[11:20] <Samuraialba> Oh... Good morning!
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[14:03] <InHisName> Good morning
[14:03]  * InHisName runs off to see about gum scraping
[15:11] <ChinnoDog> morning
[16:36]  * InHisName observes that gum scraping is not nearly as horrible as 15 years ago.


[01:51] <hikiko> hello from Changsha :)
[05:03] <pitti> Good morning
[05:40] <didrocks> good morning
[06:00] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:02] <didrocks> hey pitti, ça va bien, et toi ?
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: moi aussi ! c'était un week-end calme (et chaud !), mais c'était les dernières journées d'été
[06:03] <pitti> nous sommes allé au stade à nouvau :)
[06:04] <didrocks> oh bien ! ;)
[06:04] <didrocks> le match était bien ?
[06:04] <pitti> alors notre club a perdu :(
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: non, ils ont joué laid
[06:05] <didrocks> argh, pas de chance :/
[06:05] <didrocks> je suis à Annecy pour la semaine, chez mes parents
[06:05] <didrocks> donc on a pas mal marché dans les montagnes
[06:06] <didrocks> mais oui, il reste encore aujourd'hui de beau temps, et puis pluie toute la semaine
[06:48] <darkxst> hey pitti, didrocks
[06:49] <darkxst> didrocks, can you merge this for me? I can upload, but not commit to packaging branch https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/UG-wily
[06:50] <didrocks> good evening darkxst
[06:50] <didrocks> darkxst: I'm unsure I have commit access (see the mate discussion on Thursday)
[06:50] <didrocks> let me check
[06:50] <didrocks> You cannot upload to this branch. Members of Ubiquity Slideshow can upload to this branch.
[06:50] <didrocks> yep :/
[06:51]  * didrocks remembers the hell that some people gave to him when they couldn't push to some branches due to CI train
[06:51] <didrocks> seems like the same people didn't setup for core-devs at least to be able to push there :p
[06:51] <didrocks> cyphermox: I guess do you mind pushing //code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/UG-wily ?
[06:51] <didrocks> cyphermox: also, would be great to fix the permission issues (so that at least core-devs can push)
[06:51] <didrocks> darkxst: I guess just upload for now
[06:52] <didrocks> (and mark as such in your MP)
[06:52] <didrocks> darkxst: how was your week-end otherwise? :)
[06:58] <darkxst> didrocks, still getting over the flu :( but got some chickens on saturday ;)
[07:00] <didrocks> darkxst: argh, I hope that won't last too long still…
[07:05] <darkxst> didrocks, yeh, will see... wasnt too bad today though,
[07:12] <darkxst> didrocks, ok I have uploaded it, hopefully cyphermox can push the commits, seems odd though to have a restricted packaging branch!
[07:12]  * darkxst waiting on some fresh eggs, that might help ;) nothing yet though
[07:16] <didrocks> darkxst: heh, keep summoning them :)
[07:22] <darkxst> didrocks, just hoping the puppies haven't scared the egg production ;)
[07:23] <darkxst> but they don't really seem to concerned with the puppies
[07:24] <didrocks> ah, troubling the chickens, yeah, I can see that happening…
[07:24] <darkxst> dogs are loosing interest, as a result
[07:24] <didrocks> I bet! :)
[07:27] <darkxst> it was all fear from the dogs, especially the old one
[07:28] <didrocks> too big compared to their size (and maybe too hugging as well? ;))
[07:29] <darkxst> well the little ones sure, but the old one, is bigger, just shit scared
[07:30] <darkxst> but the real fun comes I try and introduce mini dashunds to free range with chickens!
[07:34] <didrocks> waow, you are really… experimenting! :)
[07:35] <darkxst> didrocks, they are the protection policy!
[07:35] <darkxst> no fox is getting past the dogs, just need to make sure the dogs don't eat the chickens
[07:37] <darkxst> in the meanwhile it will be an interesting few weeks!
[07:44] <didrocks> dogs would really eat the chickens, you think?
[07:45] <didrocks> and yeah, I totally +1 on the "natural barrier" you are putting in place than having more "industrial/human-built" options
[08:20] <larsu> Trevinho, morning! DId you notice that gtk doesn't request rgba visuals when GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS is not given?
[08:21] <larsu> not sure how to fix that - someone specifically made it like this as a fallback for window managers that can't handle client side shadows
[08:21] <larsu> apparently unity is special in that it can't do client side shadows, but rgba
[08:22]  * larsu thinks about patching gtk
[08:22] <pitti> hey larsu, guten Morgen!
[08:23] <larsu> hi pitti!
[08:23] <larsu> pitti, had a long morning already. Just not online all the time because I'm travelling. How are you?
[08:23] <pitti> larsu: quite fine, thanks! had a nice weekend, apparently the last real summer weekend
[08:24] <pitti> larsu: went to the stadium (FC Augsburg lost, though), and enjoyed some gardening, table tennis, and ice cream :)
[08:24] <pitti> larsu: ah, where are you now?
[08:24] <larsu> pitti, nice!
[08:24] <larsu> pitti, Mainz Hbf, waiting for my train to cologne to fly back to Berlin
[08:24] <larsu> was at a wine fest this weekend
[08:24] <larsu> and did 20km on a draisine (english?) yesterday
[08:24] <larsu> in the heat
[08:26] <didrocks> draisine? nice! on a unused old train rail I guess?
[08:27] <larsu> didrocks, indeed
[08:27]  * didrocks wonders if the UK is cut out from the world, no Will, no Laney…
[08:27] <didrocks> larsu: some exercise after the wine sounds good :)
[08:27] <larsu> Laney is off today
[08:27] <didrocks> oh
[08:28] <didrocks> ah, it's a national holiday
[08:28] <larsu> didrocks, ya. It was more exhausting than I thought
[08:28] <didrocks> IIRC
[08:28] <larsu> mostly due to the heat though
[08:28] <didrocks> yeah, I bet…
[08:28] <didrocks> (confirmed, UK is off)
[08:29]  * larsu wonders how long the connection holds up in this train
[08:29] <didrocks> with you on the go, I feel soooooooo lonely!
[08:29] <larsu> haha
[08:29]  * didrocks shed some tears
[08:29]  * larsu hugs didrocks
[08:29] <larsu> turn on some music!
[08:29]  * didrocks hugs larsu back
[08:29] <didrocks> yeah, I think that's the only way to have some uplifting here
[08:31] <larsu> and seb is gone for 2 weeks?
[08:36] <didrocks> yep
[08:36] <didrocks> his holidays
[08:36] <didrocks> those guys, leaving for a long time…
[08:36] <didrocks> hem :p
[08:38]  * larsu looks away and whistles silently
[08:42] <didrocks> larsu: I did the same :)
[09:37] <darkxst> didrocks, imagine a rottweiler stuffed into a 20cm tall form factor! something like http://www.purina.com.au/~/media/PurinaAustralia/Images/Breeds/Dog/Dachshund-Miniature-Smooth-Haired.jpg
[09:38] <darkxst> if polly thinks for a seconds the chickens are above her in the pecking order, they are stuffed!
[10:42] <dholbach> hiya
[10:42] <didrocks> re dholbach
[10:42]  * didrocks really feels lonely on this channel today :p
[10:43] <dholbach> can somebody take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-control-center/non-gnome-unity-ibus-support/+merge/238293 and https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1381050_2/+merge/264634 and https://code.launchpad.net/~binli/unity-settings-daemon/dont-scale-out-of-screen/+merge/268881?
[10:43] <dholbach> thanks! :)
[10:44] <didrocks> dholbach: I guess retry tomorrow where more folks taking care of this part of the desktop are around :)
[10:46] <dholbach> I'll try to remember
[10:47] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/wily/libx11/pt_PT-compose/+merge/258526 too
[11:00] <dholbach> Sweet5hark, can you comment on bug 1483914?
[11:01]  * larsu waves to dholbach
[11:01] <dholbach> hey larsu
[11:10] <Sweet5hark> heya guys!
[11:10] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark! What up?
[11:12] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: soo, releasing the theme independant from LibreOffice will likely get messy with different versions and people having the theme from one archive and LibreOffice from another (e.g. from PPAs). Thus I would love to have this upstream.
[11:12] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: (see tdf#92458)
[11:16] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: I'd love to help with that as time allows. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92458#c1 is the relevant piece there: We'd need the license statement-foo from the authors and look at the stuff being clean from an IP PoV. Probably best we get the git history into the LibreOffice core repo and get a license statement from the authors.
[11:18] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: the git stuff should be doable reasonably easy with some git filter-branch foo, I will try to find time for that.
[11:18] <Sweet5hark> larsu: heya ;)
[11:20] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark!
[11:20]  * larsu wonders why he's hacking on notify-osd
[11:21] <didrocks> larsu: what happened to you?
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: (getting the commits into the LibreOffice core repo has the added benefit of creating LibreOffice authoring credits for the theme creators ...)
[11:21] <didrocks> larsu: theme-thingy?
[11:21] <larsu> didrocks, someone asked me to look at a hidpi issue
[11:21] <didrocks> ah… making sense
[11:21] <larsu> didrocks, it's quite bad: all notifications have blurry text and icons
[11:21] <didrocks> yeah, I bet with the fixed-size thing
[11:21] <larsu> yep
[11:22] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: hi there
[11:22] <larsu> it assumes logical pixels == real pixels when creating cairo surfaces
[11:22] <larsu> and it creates a lot of those :/
[11:22] <didrocks> I guess, hardcoding is the second name of notify-osd :p
[11:23] <larsu> haha
[11:23] <didrocks> but on the logical pixels == real pixels, that was not uncommon to defend it at the time :)
[11:23] <larsu> (it would be funnier if it wouldn't be this sad)
[11:23] <larsu> didrocks, yeah, fair enough
[11:23] <larsu> I think it predates all scale apis in gdk even
[11:23] <didrocks> I guess only the web had the difference
[11:23] <didrocks> and android a year after
[11:23] <larsu> so there's not much that could be done back then
[11:24] <didrocks> yep
[11:24] <larsu> haha I have a red batter icon again, because there's only 2h left
[11:25] <larsu> *battery
[11:25] <didrocks> I guess you still have the half second reaction "oh crap" and then, "meh" :)
[11:25] <larsu> ya
[11:25] <larsu> totally
[11:25] <larsu> this is enough for hacking on the airport and the train
[11:25] <larsu> and the plane
[11:26] <larsu> (train is from TXL -> home)
[11:26] <didrocks> planned to arrive at what time?
[11:26] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: beyond that: the debdiff in bug seems rather superfluous to me: No need to recommend -elementary -- we dont do that with e.g. the sifr or breeze themes either. We recommend -human to have it in the default install, we recommend -tango because ... well, actually we dont need to. We do as Debian (which doesnt have -human)  does that.
[11:27] <larsu> didrocks, I leave in 40 min and the flight is about an hour (but can't hack during the full time obviously)
[11:27] <didrocks> yeah
[11:27] <didrocks> and then, train?
[11:27] <larsu> just the inner berlin train
[11:28] <didrocks> yeah, so an hour I guess
[11:28] <darkxst> larsu, sure you can, I hack when asleep sometimes ;)
[11:28] <larsu> not far, 30 mins or so
[11:28] <didrocks> you will be home quite early :)
[11:28] <didrocks> well "home"
[11:28] <didrocks> until you move :)
[11:28] <larsu> darkxst, they won't take off if I don't turn off and securely store away my large electronic device
[11:29] <larsu> didrocks, move is tomorrow \o/
[11:31] <Sweet5hark> larsu: recommended sound track: "Es faehrt ein Zug nach BER" von Christian Anders
[11:31] <didrocks> everytime you talk about electronic device and planes, that reminds me of the Simpson with Bart playing his game boy
[11:31] <larsu> Sweet5hark, heh
[11:31] <didrocks> turning it off making the plane descending dangerously
[11:31] <larsu> lol
[11:31] <didrocks> and they are asking him to turn it on again :)
[11:35] <darkxst> larsu, I reserve tjhe harder problems for thoise cases!
[11:35] <larsu> darkxst, :D
[11:42] <dholbach> Sweet5hark, I'll leave it in your hands
[11:42] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: ;)
[11:42] <Sweet5hark> <- just won an action item
[11:42] <Sweet5hark> achievement unlocked, I guess.
[11:42] <dholbach> Sweet5hark, I'm just going through the sponsoring queue and trying to get as many done or looked at as possible
[11:43] <Sweet5hark> dholbach: right. nothing to sponsor here, the debdiff isnt what we'd want.
[11:44] <dholbach> ok
[11:44]  * larsu goes to board his plane
[11:45] <dholbach> I'll unsubscribe the u-sponsors team then
[16:38] <Sweet5hark> popey: are you fine with the latest libreoffice-vanilla package for clicklification?
[17:28] <popey> Sweet5hark: heya, I haven't personally tested it, happy it built though.
[17:30] <Sweet5hark> popey: kk. note that its just a 53.6MB on amd64 now. So hopefully ends up ~40MB for armhf ...
[17:44] <popey> Sweet5hark: failed to build actually.. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7842211
[17:46] <Sweet5hark> popey: eh? thats not 1:5.0.1-0ubuntu1~minimal1~vivid1 (which is newer). https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-nattytest2/+sourcepub/5332252/+listing-archive-extra
[17:46] <popey> oh
[17:46] <popey> what did I do wrong.. hmmm
[17:48] <popey> Sweet5hark: my bad. will upload yours
[17:48] <popey> ignore me :)
[17:50] <Sweet5hark> popey: np. ;) easy to get confused wrt to versions when updates are often faster than build time. happened to me too more than once. One of the challenges of riding this funny little beast.