[00:34] <unheeding> can anyone help me get my keyboard volume buttons working in lubuntu?
[00:45] <rafaelcavadas> hello... i've downloaded lubuntu-12.10-alternate-i386.iso, but it gives me integrity errors but the md5 hash is the same on the website https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[00:46] <rafaelcavadas> anyone had that problem?
[00:48] <unheeding> i haven't
[00:50] <rafaelcavadas> it's a strange thing...
[00:50] <rafaelcavadas> :)
[00:51] <rafaelcavadas> the desktop iso doesn't have that problem...
[10:49] <ari1> helo
[12:23] <leszek> hi
[14:08] <neure> how do i remove the wallpaper?
[14:08] <neure> oh done
[14:41] <ahy> I have a problem with catalyst drivers (current-updates) on lubuntu 12.10. I read that there is overdrive options in linux catalyst drivers, but in my "catalyst control center" overdrive tab doesnt appear. I have amd 6870 gpu. Is it caused by ubuntu version of catalyst driver or there is a way to  unlock it?
[14:43] <leszek> ahy: only r6xx and up were supported, mobile and integrate chips excluded
[14:43] <leszek> so if the control center is not allowing you to use it, then your hardware is not supporting it, I guess
[14:44] <ahy> Uh thats strange, because hd 6870 is quite new and powerful card... what's more, on windows amd overdrive works out of the box
[14:44] <ahy> i have desktop version, not mobile
[14:45] <ahy> any ideas?
[14:45] <leszek> ahy: hmm... you could try a newer driver, because the ubuntu one is a little bit older
[14:45] <leszek> but this involves removing the ubuntu one and manually install the amd driver
[14:45] <ahy> okay, do you happen to have any good link to guide about installing new amd driver?
[14:46] <leszek> I guess there should be an installing guide on amds site
[14:46] <leszek> otherwise I only know: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[14:46] <leszek> there is a section for installing the upstream driver
[14:47] <ahy> okay. Is it enough if i disable amd driver in lubuntu "software resources" or i have to manually remove ubuntu driver files?
[14:47] <leszek> normally this should do it
[14:48] <leszek> you need to reboot though I guess
[14:48] <ahy> okay thanks
[16:16] <souliaq> someone know about of similar application like "Everything of E17" to LXDE?
[16:17] <bioterror> what do you think about everything's ram usage
[16:18] <bioterror> is it lightweight?
[16:21] <leszek> bioterror: everything is a module to e17, so it needs e17 to be loaded otherwise it does not work
[16:21] <krassi76> hello to all... have a friend using windows xp and needs help from me. But i only use lubuntu .. how can i connect to his pc per internet ?
[16:21] <leszek> souliaq: there is kupfer. I did a screencast on it couple of years ago I think
[16:22] <leszek> souliaq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVpfMSMYXQ
[16:23] <bioterror> well, my gmrun can do something
[16:24] <leszek> krassi76: your friend needs to install an vncserver and then give his ip adress to you. Then you can connect via a vnc viewer onto it
[16:25] <bioterror> or your friend needs to install telnet server ;D
[16:25] <souliaq> ok, I'll check it, thanks
[16:25] <krassi76> okay thanks a lot i will check it :-)
[16:26] <leszek> lol telnet :P
[16:27] <bioterror> lol tivoli remote desktop + windows 7 = fail
[16:27] <bioterror> if you resize stuff 150% from the display menu, tivoli wont show it correctly
[16:27] <bioterror> :(
[16:28] <krassi76> which telnet server program is easy to install for windows xp newbie ?
[16:29] <leszek> krassi76: this was a joke
[16:29] <leszek> I would not NEVER advice to install telnet anywhere
[16:29] <krassi76> what should i do ?
[16:30] <bioterror> play with teamviewer
[16:30] <leszek> [17:24] <leszek> krassi76: your friend needs to install an vncserver and then give his ip adress to you. Then you can connect via a vnc viewer onto it
[16:35] <krassi76> okay thanks i will test teamviewer first.. thinks its the easiest way
[16:44] <liam> hi
[16:45] <liam> I'm setting sylpheed under lubuntu, is it normal that a gmail imap (though google apps) doesn't work? I've selected imap (gmail), set username, password, etc, but the messages aren't showed... I've also selected to show the [Gmail] folder, but nothing
[16:46] <bioterror> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=77695
[16:46] <bioterror> you have done that?
[16:47] <liam> yes
[16:52] <bioterror> well, it should be quite easy to do then
[16:52] <bioterror> just enable ssl and so on
[16:52] <bioterror> so that it will use port 993 or what was it ;)
[16:53] <leszek> liam: as it works here, I assume you have the wrong ports setuped for imap and google
[16:55] <liam> bioterror: that's what I did :) the ports are correct: 993 and 465
[16:56] <liam> leszek: sylpheed 3.2.0?
[16:58] <leszek> hmmpf an older version
[16:58] <leszek> 2.x something
[16:59] <liam> mm...ok..
[16:59] <leszek> if it does not work for you then you should get an error message. If there is no errormessage then perhaps you need to check which imap folder sylpheed should check
[17:02] <liam> I've just tried with pop and it works (downloading the messages)... I think I'll use it ;)
[17:03] <saleem> hi, is lubuntu 12.04 also supported till 2017?
[17:03] <bioterror> the bare bones of ubuntu is, but not the lxde components
[17:03] <bioterror> so you will get all the kernel updates and so on until 2017
[17:04] <saleem> for lxde components is there update option there like a PPA ?
[17:07] <liam> saleem: have you been striked too with the "no pae support" on the cpu?
[17:08] <saleem> liam, no i just read somewhere that 12.04 version will not be supported till 2017 , im using older version till now so wanted to confirm before an upgrade
[17:09] <liam> ok ;)
[17:10] <saleem> someone was recommending xfce for this reason but i never liked xfce
[17:10] <liam> just curiosity, why do you care if it won't be supported until 2017? I understand server version that need long support, but 5 years for a desktop version is a lot :)
[17:10] <saleem> so i think i can still upgrade to 12.04 since the core is going to be supported
[18:13] <klausl> Hello!
[18:13] <klausl> Please!
[18:13] <klausl> Who is here?
[18:13] <klausl> I am a new lubuntu user.
[18:21] <pAt__> klausl, why do you want to know who is here?
[18:21] <rand0m8> hello. i have problem with geary email client.  i see in terminal that geary want to use gnome-keyring what ofc i dont have. is there any easy solution?
[18:21] <klausl> pAt: Because I am a new User.
[18:22] <pAt__> do you have a problem, or do you just want to chat klausl ?
[18:22] <klausl> pAt_: Questions.
[18:22] <pAt__> just ask them, if somebody knows the answer, he will reply.   Is it possible to create a bootable Lubuntu 12.10 LiveUSB using the 'dd' command (assuming /dev/sdb is the USB device)?:    dd  if=/path/to/lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso  of=/dev/sdb
[20:17] <Combat_Wombat> that may work, if you have access to a windows machine I know this works http://rufus.akeo.ie/
[21:00] <semitones> hey
[21:01] <semitones> are there any extant problems in the installer?
[21:04] <ladkiwi> hello
[21:05] <ladkiwi> How can I add applications to the "desktop session settings" panel ?
[21:06] <ladkiwi> for example pigdin or xamp
[21:14] <zleap> is there the equivelent of ubuntu-tweak for lubuntu ?
[21:19] <ladkiwi> zleap, I am not sure you need it hte "openbox configuration manageur" should do the same
[21:19] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:28] <neure> can i customize LXTerm keys?


[05:39] <Kilos> morning za peeps
[05:57] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos how are things with you this morning?
[06:06] <Kilos> hi Langjan im ok ty and you?
[06:06] <Kilos> had a couple of tough days but today is better
[06:09] <Langjan> Sorry to learn about tough days,I was wondering about you. We are fine thanks
[06:09] <Kilos> nothing broken??
[06:09] <Langjan> Headaches?
[06:09] <Kilos> oh my
[06:09] <Kilos> yes and tight chest but today is lekker
[06:10] <Kilos> might be the new meds i gotta get used to
[06:10] <Langjan> Yes meds are always a compromise
[06:10] <Kilos> wish it was the 16th jan already so i can try get them to do what they must so i can stop meds
[06:11] <Langjan> What must happen 16 Jan?
[06:11] <Langjan> op?
[06:11] <Kilos> i  go for next appointment and hopefully get booked in at steve biko for bypasses
[06:12] <Langjan> OK strongs for that
[06:12] <Langjan> hope things work well for you
[06:12] <Kilos> hopefully they will accept i only want stents put in via the angio route
[06:12] <Kilos> i dont want chest cut open
[06:13] <Langjan> Well they will know whats best for your circumstances, if its got to be done, do the best you can
[06:13] <Kilos> i will ty for the concern
[06:13] <Langjan> Whats news from your girls?
[06:13] <Kilos> ai!
[06:13] <Kilos> too painful being apart
[06:14] <Langjan> sorry I brught it up
[06:14] <Kilos> skype call daily and chat lots on telegram
[06:14] <Kilos> being apart is painful man not talking about it
[06:14] <Langjan> good and is Debs coping with the AS?
[06:15] <Kilos> she is a very tough chick and keeps on regardless of pain
[06:16] <Kilos> only when she over does things and breaks an area thats just newly grown together then she has bad flareups otherwise she manages
[06:16] <Kilos> evil disease that
[06:17] <Kilos> nearly whole spine has growths from joint to joint
[06:17] <Langjan> Yes its not pleasant, eish! And how is Tara's business going?
[06:17] <Langjan> Sorry gotta go have breakfast, chat later
[06:17] <Kilos> she is busy now with all the arwork for peeps for christmas
[06:17] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:20] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[06:20] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper
[06:21] <Kilos> inetpro is jy terug
[06:21] <Kilos> ??
[06:21] <Kilos> im sure he went away for the holiday so might only be back after weekend
[06:22] <paddatrapper> Does anyne have any experience with LXC on Debian? I can't get unpriviledged containers working - unshare: Operation not permitted
[06:23] <Kilos> kick fly outa bed
[06:23] <Kilos> he the debian man
[06:38] <Langjan> G'morning paddatrapper
[06:39] <Langjan> Kilos, you there young man?
[06:40] <Kilos> im here Langjan
[06:41] <Langjan> I'm still battling with videos
[06:41] <Kilos> ai!
[06:42] <Kilos> oh those online ones
[06:42] <Langjan> Tried Juanita's system works fine then checked, she has gstreamer
[06:42] <Kilos> there is lots of gstreamer stuff for 16.04
[06:43] <Langjan> when I tried to install gstreamer errors showed graphics prob g
[06:43] <Kilos> open synaptic and type in gstreamer and choose the one you need
[06:43] <Langjan> so I installed Intel graphics update app
[06:43] <Kilos> ok
[06:43] <Kilos> additional drivers
[06:44] <Langjan> Yes, but now I have broken packages again
[06:44] <Kilos> ai!
[06:44] <Kilos> synaptic edit fix broken
[06:44] <Langjan> Trying to load gstreamer via Synaptic gets error:
[06:44] <Kilos> broken package are bad downloads
[06:44] <Langjan> W: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key 09D6EF97BFB38E916EF060E756A3DEF863961D39 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[06:44] <Kilos> what does synaptic say
[06:45] <Kilos> ai!
[06:45] <Langjan> Unable to fix
[06:45] <Langjan> Perhaps I have wrong software repos marked
[06:45] <Kilos> then find the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:45] <Kilos> and delete it
[06:45] <Kilos> im using neology
[06:46] <Kilos> then do a reload in synaptic
[06:46] <Kilos> i use synaptic to choose repos and everything
[06:46] <Kilos> never use update manager
[06:46] <Langjan> Plse bear with me
[06:46] <Kilos> of course
[06:47] <Langjan> find which package?
[06:47] <Kilos> that broken one
[06:47] <Kilos> lemme see your link
[06:48] <Langjan> I know but where do I see it?
[06:48] <Langjan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:49] <Kilos> go to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:49] <Kilos> try first
[06:49] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:50] <Kilos> let me just go open irc on desktop so ian can use my lappy for teamviewer
[06:50] <Langjan> ok
[06:51] <Kilos> ok i go there now
[06:51] <Kilos> me with a tail
[06:53] <Kilos-> Langjan here peeps can see if i guide you wrong and jump in
[06:54] <Kilos-> here toppie Langjan
[06:54] <Langjan> Ok
[06:55] <Kilos-> ok
[06:55] <Kilos-> where were we
[06:55] <Langjan> find package
[06:55] <Langjan> I gave you output
[06:55] <Kilos-> do you know the broken package
[06:56] <Kilos-> give again please
[06:57] <Kilos-> its there on lappy and im here in my room on desktop
[06:57] <Langjan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:57] <Kilos-> sorry for the inconvenience
[06:57] <Langjan> nono
[06:57] <Langjan> does that help?
[06:57] <Kilos-> and here i have a squirrel to fight with as well\
[06:57] <Kilos-> hehe
[06:57] <Langjan> lmga!
[06:58] <paddatrapper> Morning Langjan
[06:58] <Kilos-> it gets agro when i type and dont pay attention to it
[06:58] <Kilos-> haha
[06:58] <Langjan> Hi paddatrapper Its a girl then
[06:58] <Kilos-> must be
[06:59] <Langjan> Long error output after your dpkg command
[06:59] <Kilos-> give that output in pm place so we dont spam here
[06:59] <Langjan> ok
[06:59] <Kilos-> or post it
[06:59] <Kilos-> to
[07:00] <Kilos-> https://bin.snyman.info
[07:01] <Langjan> done both
[07:02] <Kilos-> i forgot hot to see root folders on unity
[07:02] <Kilos-> how
[07:03] <Kilos-> tery and apt update
[07:03] <Kilos-> try
[07:03] <Langjan> ok
[07:04] <Kilos-> then run sudo synaptic reinstall nginx nginx-core
[07:04] <Kilos-> ai!
[07:04] <Kilos-> nono
[07:04] <Kilos-> sudo aptitude reinstall nginx nginx-core
[07:05] <Kilos-> i dont even know what nginx does but if it complains its not installed then we try keep it happy
[07:05] <Langjan> running
[07:06] <Kilos-> wish you were on trouble free kde
[07:06] <Langjan> E: Internal Error, No file name for nginx-core:i386
[07:06] <Kilos-> hehe
[07:06] <Kilos-> then maybe just nginx will do
[07:06] <Kilos-> should install automagically
[07:07] <Langjan> sudo aptitude reinstall nginx
[07:07] <Kilos-> yes
[07:08] <Langjan> E: Internal Error, No file name for nginx:i386
[07:08] <Kilos-> ai!
[07:08] <Kilos-> sudo apt upgrade
[07:09] <Kilos-> let me get some bread for this squirrel so it can eat and leave my hands alone
[07:11] <Langjan> check stickynotes
[07:13] <Langjan> and pm
[07:15] <Kilos-> ok
[07:15] <Kilos-> hmm...
[07:15] <Kilos-> lets try another route
[07:16] <Langjan> ok
[07:16] <Kilos-> do you remember how to show hidden files on unity
[07:16] <Langjan> thks
[07:16] <Langjan> yes
[07:16] <Kilos-> ok
[07:16] <Kilos-> find /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:17] <Langjan> dont see it is it in one of the folders?
[07:17] <Kilos-> you have to go into root folders
[07:18] <Kilos-> hmm...
[07:18] <Kilos-> kde gives the root option easily
[07:18] <Langjan> which are root folders?
[07:18] <Kilos-> etc and var and usr and lots more
[07:18] <Kilos-> lets go in with terminal
[07:19] <Kilos-> cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:19] <Kilos-> then type in ls
[07:19] <Langjan> how do I copy and p from here?
[07:20] <Kilos-> with your mouse
[07:20] <Kilos-> hehe
[07:20] <Kilos-> are you in archives?
[07:21] <Langjan> yes
[07:21] <Kilos->  does ls show lots
[07:21] <Langjan> yes
[07:21] <Kilos-> scroll to see if nginx is there
[07:22] <Langjan> no
[07:22] <Kilos-> hmm...
[07:22] <chesedo> morning all
[07:22] <Kilos-> ok type in cd
[07:23] <Kilos-> you should be at standard prompt again
[07:23] <chesedo> hmm Kilos- Langjan, nginx is a web server... to you plan to host websites on your PC?
[07:23] <Langjan> yes
[07:23] <Kilos-> chesedo please help here
[07:23] <Langjan> hi chesedo
[07:24] <chesedo> Kilos-: where is that bin output?
[07:24] <Kilos-> i dont see unity in front of me so sukkeling some
[07:24] <chesedo> np
[07:24] <Langjan> no website hosting planned
[07:24] <Kilos-> langjan give that bin link
[07:25] <Kilos-> did you tell it to give you the link
[07:25] <chesedo> Kilos-: how much do I have to read ^above^ to know what is going on so far?
[07:25] <Langjan> bin link?
[07:26] <Langjan> Kilos-,  I put some error outputs in stickynotes and pm
[07:26] <Kilos-> where you posted that info to pastebin
[07:26] <Kilos-> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwippZPB2frQAhWT0RoKHSUVAN8QFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D947124&usg=AFQjCNGNL3DZeSfmeVO0bZ1PZQGye7ucfw
[07:26] <Kilos-> see if there is a way to fix you broken packages there
[07:26] <Kilos-> i see a solved link
[07:27] <chesedo> Langjan: the stickynote link?
[07:27] <Kilos-> i run to toilet quick wbb
[07:28] <Langjan> Sorry not sure what link Kilos- wants
[07:28] <Langjan> running those broken package fix commands at the mo
[07:28] <chesedo> Langjan: there output error link
[07:32] <Langjan> Plse see stickynotes
[07:33] <Kilos-> you need to give the link for sticynotes Langjan
[07:34] <Langjan> Sorry: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmgfpp5
[07:34] <Kilos-> tick the submit button and then copy passte the url you get at the top
[07:34] <Kilos-> aha
[07:35] <Langjan> And https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8w295
[07:37] <Langjan> nd latest: https://bin.snyman.info/mmm2wcn4
[07:37] <Kilos-> type y and enter
[07:38] <Langjan> where?
[07:38] <Kilos-> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8w295 end of that
[07:39] <Langjan> Oh that was done
[07:39] <Kilos-> i dont understand the reason why it keeps harping about nginx
[07:39] <chesedo> Kilos-: end of that continous on next one...
[07:40] <Kilos-> chesedo you go ahead please if you have time
[07:40] <chesedo> lets remove nginx as you will not need it
[07:40] <Langjan> makes sense
[07:40] <chesedo> Langjan: type `sudo apt remove --purge nginx-*`
[07:40] <Langjan> ok
[07:41] <Langjan> running
[07:42] <chesedo> after that type 'sudo systemctl status nginx` ... this should report that nignx is missing/not there (aka service is removed)
[07:42] <Langjan> Done except for:  dpkg: warning: while removing nginx-common, directory '/var/www/html' not empty so not removed
[07:42] <Langjan>
[07:42] <chesedo> Langjan: ok, output of `ls -la /var/www/html/`
[07:44] <Langjan> total 12
[07:44] <Langjan> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec  6 16:56 .
[07:44] <Langjan> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec  6 16:35 ..
[07:44] <Langjan> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  612 Dec  6 16:56 index.nginx-debian.html
[07:45] <chesedo> Langjan: ok that seems like the default for nginx, so we can remove it with `sudo rm -R /var/www/html`
[07:46] <chesedo> based on those dates it seems like you installed nginx on the 6th...
[07:46] <Langjan> ok chesedo I ran that command and just got prompt again, is that right?
[07:47] <chesedo> Langjan: yes
[07:47] <chesedo> Langjan: type `sudo apt remove --purge nginx-*` again
[07:47] <Langjan> ok
[07:47] <Kilos> too clever these young ones
[07:48] <Langjan> ok done
[07:48] <chesedo> then  'sudo systemctl status nginx` again
[07:48] <Langjan> Yes they grew up on computers
[07:49] <Langjan> ok chesedo
[07:49] <chesedo> Langjan: output of states that it is missing?
[07:50] <Langjan>  Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
[07:50] <Langjan> and some more yes chesedo
[07:50] <chesedo> Langjan: good nginx is removed then... so you wanted to get gstream fixed orginally right?
[07:51] <Langjan> Well yes, but wondered if it conflicts with vlc and audacious
[07:51] <Kilos> no it works with audacious
[07:52] <Kilos> vlc should have all its own stuff
[07:52] <Langjan> My system has those two but is not working on some videos,
[07:52] <chesedo> Langjan: should not be, they most likely use it as part of the UNIX philosophy of "do one thing and do it good"
[07:52] <Langjan> my wife's 14.04 only has gsteamer and seems to work everywhere
[07:53] <chesedo> Langjan: let's start with `sudo apt update`
[07:53] <Langjan> ok
[07:53] <Langjan> terminal still hanging must I kill it?
[07:54] <chesedo> hangs?? which command caused it to hang?
[07:54] <Kilos> hanging or taking its time
[07:54] <Langjan> well perhaps wrong term, it is still on last output
[07:54] <Kilos> patience
[07:55] <Langjan> which shows nginx is not there
[07:55] <chesedo> Langjan: press enter a few times
[07:55] <Langjan> no effect
[07:56] <Kilos-> ai! unity
[07:56] <Langjan> nginx.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'
[07:56] <Kilos-> ai!
[07:56] <Langjan> thats the last output
[07:56] <chesedo> Langjan: so there is no prompt ... $ at the end of the line
[07:56] <Langjan> no
[07:57] <Langjan> The last lines: systemd[1]: Failed to start A high performance web server and a reverse proxy se
[07:57] <Langjan> systemd[1]: nginx.service: Unit entered failed state.
[07:57] <Langjan> systemd[1]: nginx.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'
[07:57] <chesedo> Langjan: press ctrl + z
[07:58] <Langjan> ok thats done it, now doing uopdate
[07:59] <Langjan> wants to upgrade, run it?
[07:59] <chesedo> ok but after that type 'jobs' so that we can see what hanged the terminal (ctrl + z has put it in the background and want to make sure it is not something important)
[08:00] <chesedo> sorry type `jobs` first
[08:00] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ jobs
[08:00] <Langjan> [1]+  Stopped                 sudo systemctl status nginx
[08:00] <Langjan> sorry I did the upgrade first
[08:02] <chesedo> Langjan: np... I forgot that systemctl has a weird way of holding the terminal on status...
[08:02] <chesedo> type `fg` and then `q` so that we can end that job
[08:03] <chesedo> Langjan: also give me the output of that upgrade in a stickybin pls
[08:03] <Langjan> ok done chesedo
[08:03]  * chesedo thinks that it will have gstreamer in the held back section again...
[08:03] <Langjan> will do
[08:04] <Kilos-> sjoe
[08:04] <Langjan> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwe888
[08:05] <Langjan> seems ok
[08:05] <chesedo> Langjan: the part above what you posted is what i'm interested in...
[08:05] <Langjan> ok
[08:06] <chesedo> ie the part directly after the upgrade command
[08:07] <Langjan> I see what you mean chesedo : https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4mqdz
[08:09] <chesedo> Langjan: is there any reason why you mark those packages for being on hold (other than 0ad which will be a huge update)
[08:10] <chesedo> *marked
[08:11] <Langjan> Not that I am aware of, except ignorance if it was me
[08:11] <Kilos-> enough said
[08:11]  * Kilos- hides
[08:11] <Langjan> lmga!
[08:11] <Kilos-> hahaha
[08:11] <Langjan> jy maak die ou man skaam
[08:11] <Langjan> sies
[08:12] <chesedo> lol... you have synaptic right?
[08:12] <Langjan> yes
[08:14] <chesedo> then it might have marked by accident in synaptic... see if you can find an option in synaptic to list all the 'held' packages and highlight them all (except for 0ad maybe) and remove the held mark...
[08:14] <chesedo> i do not use synaptic so Kilos might be able to help you find those options
[08:16] <Langjan> I see that Oad has a "!"
[08:17] <Langjan> Over to you Kilos- ?
[08:17] <Langjan> Many thanks for your time and effort chesedo
[08:18] <Kilos> lemme catch up
[08:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:19] <Kilos> try reload in synaptic
[08:19] <Kilos> then edit fix broken
[08:19] <Langjan> W: https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key 09D6EF97BFB38E916EF060E756A3DEF863961D39 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[08:19] <Kilos> then mark all upgrades
[08:19] <Kilos> ai!
[08:20] <chesedo> Kilos-: i can remember that you use synaptic... so can you guide us in getting synaptic to list only the held packages and then on how to unheld them...
[08:20] <Kilos> what repo are you using Langjan
[08:20] <Kilos> ive never had a held issue chesedo
[08:20] <Langjan> repo? You mean in updates?
[08:21] <Kilos> just some packages ive put on lock to this version and stopped them upgrading
[08:21] <chesedo> Kilos-: do you how to use the GUI to do the above though?
[08:21] <Kilos> synaptic settings repositories
[08:21] <Kilos> im looking atm
[08:22] <Langjan> you mean neulogy?
[08:22] <Kilos> yes choose neology
[08:23] <Kilos> theyve changed the synaptic look
[08:23]  * chesedo things that the issue (for gstreamer) atm is that is is held back and not anything to do with sources... although we will have to look at that too
[08:23] <Langjan> am using it, my mentor taught me to
[08:23] <Kilos> ai!
[08:23] <Kilos> type in gstreamer at the top
[08:23] <Kilos> then right click reinstall all that show already installed
[08:24] <Kilos> yes chesedo but where is he always getting broken packages
[08:24] <Kilos> i very rarely have that anymore
[08:25] <Kilos> if you do a reinstall of packages in synaptic it will fetch and updates to them
[08:25] <Kilos> any
[08:25] <Langjan> synaptic taking long time to reload
[08:25] <chesedo> Kilos-: broken packages has been resolved (or so it seems) so am trying to fix gstreamer atm and will then tend the other issues
[08:26] <Kilos> once reloaded just mark all upgrades and apply
[08:26] <Kilos> and dont start installing funny stuffs
[08:26] <chesedo> Kilos-: nothing can be done on a package that is held as far as i remember (so reinstall will just reinstall in while we want to upgrade to latest)
[08:26] <Langjan> Seems to be hanging, wont quit either
[08:27] <Kilos-> then going to gstreamer stuff will show all there and yopu will see the held ones
[08:28] <Kilos-> then just a reinstall of them should upgrade them
[08:28] <Langjan> Looks ;like I will have to force it by reboot
[08:28] <Kilos-> is held and locked the same thing?
[08:28] <Kilos-> synaptic is slow at times oom
[08:28] <Kilos-> be patient
[08:29] <Kilos-> dont forget it has to try find everything you been fiddling with
[08:29] <Langjan> Dont know but it shows "loading" circle but has been for very long time
[08:29] <Kilos-> patience
[08:29] <Kilos-> if the circle runs its working not hanging
[08:30] <Langjan> ok
[08:31] <chesedo> Kilos-: yes, synaptic shows held packages as being locked...
[08:32] <chesedo> so yes the same thing
[08:33] <Kilos-> aha
[08:33] <Kilos-> ok then
[08:33] <Kilos-> tick in the middle of the package
[08:33] <Kilos-> then at the top
[08:33] <Langjan> I see a "!" against 0ad - 17.3 MB real time strategy game of ancient warfare, interesting that chesedo referred to 0ad, is it something that is needed?
[08:33] <Kilos-> um
[08:34] <Kilos-> tick package
[08:34] <Kilos-> and chhose unlock
[08:34] <Kilos-> choose
[08:35] <chesedo> Langjan: 0ad is a game and i know from experience that it update will be big (500Mb+) which is why i think it is currently also held/locked
[08:35] <Kilos-> do y6ou play 0ad
[08:35] <Langjan> Its still circling to land...
[08:35] <Kilos-> lekker game
[08:35] <chesedo> there is nothing wrong with it beign held, it will just same bandwidth
[08:35] <Kilos-> old time war but lots work to keep up
[08:35] <Langjan> dont have time for gaming, except chess on rare occasions
[08:35] <Kilos-> then remove it
[08:36] <Kilos-> right click remove
[08:36] <Kilos-> even remove completely
[08:36] <Langjan> ok will do but Synaptic is still circling
[08:36] <Kilos-> ai!
[08:36] <Langjan> I think something went wrong
[08:37] <Kilos-> if you dont play a game why is it installed and locked
[08:37] <Langjan> no idea, have never been there
[08:38] <Kilos-> 75ai!
[08:38] <Kilos-> 1 ai! as well
[08:38] <Kilos-> squirrel added the 75
[08:38] <Langjan> lmga!
[08:39] <Langjan> they are real cute
[08:39] <chesedo> Kilos-: do you mean to tell me that while I may have a monkey behind my keyboard you are lucky enough to have a squirrel :P
[08:40] <Kilos-> lol yes
[08:40] <Kilos-> quite a pest at times
[08:40] <Kilos-> ill post a pic one day
[08:41] <Langjan> No monkey near your keyboard chesedo. There was nothing serious going on in synaptic, I think I must force it
[08:42] <Langjan> Cannot take that long...
[08:47] <Kilos-> wb la
[08:47] <Kilos-> Langjan too
[08:47] <chesedo> in synaptic click on the left 'status' then 'pinned' on the list above it
[08:47] <chesedo> Langjan: ^^
[08:47] <chesedo> this will list all the held/locked packages
[08:48] <Kilos-> thats good to know ty chesedo
[08:48] <Langjan> ok
[08:49] <Kilos-> never used that area before
[08:50] <Langjan> chesedo, Does not show "pinned" - options are installed, upgradeable and a few others
[08:51] <chesedo> Langjan: can you upload screenshot to http://pasteboard.co
[08:51] <Langjan> shows a list of gsteamer packages marked "!" under upgradeable
[08:52] <Langjan> will do
[08:53]  * chesedo installed synaptic on his system and is trying to get a package to be marked with !
[08:55] <Kilos-> Langjan
[08:55] <Kilos-> try something
[08:55] <Langjan> Dont know if this will work only gave link on copy and paste: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwzc9g
[08:55] <chesedo> Langjan: on the left again click the 'Custom filters' option then 'broken' in the list above...
[08:55] <chesedo> Which packages are now listed?
[08:56]  * chesedo has a hunch that they will all have an !
[08:57] <Langjan> zero shown as broken
[08:57] <chesedo> well that is good atleat... then still need to find the meaning of !
[08:58] <chesedo> hmm Langjan  in the menu click 'help' then 'icon legend'
[08:59] <chesedo> What is the ! according to your's legend?
[08:59] <Langjan> broken
[09:00] <Langjan> but do not show in that selection, they show in upgradeable - interesting
[09:00] <Langjan> Sorry there are two !'s
[09:01] <Langjan> one shows upgradeable, the other is broken - different colours
[09:02] <Langjan> the gstreamer ones are shown as upgradeable
[09:02] <Langjan> installed (upgradeable)
[09:02] <Kilos-> then just do the apply
[09:02] <Kilos-> should upgrade
[09:04] <Langjan> 90 seconds to go
[09:05] <Langjan> applying changes
[09:06] <Kilos-> sjoe
[09:06] <Kilos-> you complained about kde
[09:06] <Kilos-> holy moly
[09:06] <Kilos-> im sure you could break a wheelbarrow
[09:07]  * Kilos- hides again
[09:07] <Langjan> Kilos-,  shal I run thro the other options, auto removable, obsolete etc?
[09:07] <Kilos-> see what autoremovable does
[09:08] <Kilos-> thats an ap-get function too
[09:08] <Kilos-> apt-get
[09:09] <Langjan> theres a lot of stuff there, dont think I must mess around with them
[09:09] <Kilos-> lol
[09:09] <Kilos-> ok then close synaptic
[09:09] <Kilos-> and run sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:10] <Kilos-> that will be old kernels etc
[09:10] <Kilos-> will make lotsa free space
[09:11] <Langjan> 1 611 MB ! wow!
[09:11] <Kilos-> sjoe
[09:11] <chesedo> Kilos-: he has only two packages that are no longer needed -> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm4mqdz
[09:12] <Kilos-> i wonder what caused all those kept back packages
[09:12] <chesedo> hmm either that is 0ad which was marked for removal or something new is broken...
[09:13] <chesedo> Langjan: what was the output of that autoremove command? (stickynote pls)
[09:13] <Kilos-> i see apt autoremove also works
[09:14] <Kilos-> i still need to get used to apt commands
[09:14] <Langjan> Putting in stickynotes
[09:15] <Langjan> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmppcka
[09:15] <Langjan> Stickynotes silly verification system
[09:16] <Langjan> sudo update shows: E: The repository 'https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/16.04/main xenial Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[09:16] <Langjan> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[09:16] <Langjan> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[09:17] <Langjan> shall I delete that repo?
[09:17] <Kilos-> just use neology
[09:18] <Kilos-> how you get into these predicaments
[09:18] <Kilos-> moenie krap waar dit nie juk nie
[09:18] <Langjan> thats the intel graphics update app that I installed
[09:19] <Kilos-> did you do it via dash additional drivers
[09:19] <Kilos-> or you went hunting in google
[09:19] <Kilos-> always try use what is in your system and its repos
[09:19] <Langjan> Intel website via google
[09:20] <Kilos-> type in dash
[09:20] <Langjan> I think...
[09:20] <Kilos-> additional
[09:20] <Kilos-> it will find what is needed
[09:21] <Kilos-> ty for the help chesedo
[09:21] <Langjan> It shows the unknown driver
[09:21] <Langjan> yes many thanks chesedo
[09:22] <Langjan> appreciated very much
[09:22] <chesedo> np Kilos- , note that intel does offer a special graphics update util for Linux
[09:22] <chesedo> this -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/intel-graphics-update-ubuntu-16-04
[09:22] <Langjan> Thats right, thks chesedo
[09:23] <Kilos> ya but letting old men go wild with google breaks things
[09:23] <Kilos> but omgubuntu is normally good
[09:24] <Langjan> all seems fine now many thks, just need to test videos
[09:25]  * chesedo not has unbreak all those things he changed in synaptic
[09:25] <Kilos> im scared to try that intel thing when everything is working
[09:25] <Langjan> We have to do something to keep the adrenalin pumping man!
[09:25] <Kilos> just now i need help too
[09:25] <Langjan> kde never breaks
[09:26] <Kilos> oh yes i forgot
[09:26] <Kilos> hee hee
[09:26] <Langjan> you need help from chesedo or from me?
[09:26] <chesedo> Kilos-: do not use it unless if you have an intel graphics card (that is quite new too)
[09:26] <Langjan> wat weet die ou man?
[09:27]  * chesedo guess that that would depend on the subject matter
[09:27] <Langjan> It seemed to do some graphics upgrades quite efficiently
[09:28] <Langjan> You're very right che
[09:28] <Langjan> chesedo, sorry
[09:28] <Langjan> like polishing a noggin
[09:29] <Kilos> lol
[09:29] <Kilos> use the systems tools to find what is needed is safer imo
[09:29] <Kilos> it wont go fetch something that will break it
[09:30] <Langjan> videos still not working, eish!
[09:30] <Kilos> and normally only uses stable stuff
[09:30] <Langjan> asks for pepperflash
[09:30] <Kilos> might be some codecs missing Langjan
[09:31] <Kilos> ai! all this flash stuff
[09:31] <Langjan> It gets very messy
[09:31] <Kilos> there is pepper in synaptic
[09:32] <Langjan> between different browsers, different video systems and different grapgics
[09:32] <Kilos> the pro uses it i think
[09:34] <Langjan> there are two packages, ythe one only wants to be marked for removal and the other will reinstall. I get the feeling I must follow the suggestion to remove the one that cannot be re-installed
[09:34] <Kilos-> i have it as well pepperflashplugin
[09:34] <Langjan> This package will download Chrome from Google, and unpack it to make the
[09:34] <Langjan> included Pepper Flash Player available for use with Chromium.  The end user
[09:34] <Langjan> license agreement is available at Google.
[09:35] <Kilos-> just the plugin
[09:35] <Kilos-> i have no other pepper stuff installed
[09:36] <Langjan> Both are plugins, one is browser plugin, the other is plugin adapter
[09:37] <Kilos> ai!
[09:37] <Kilos> i was on 14.04
[09:37] <Langjan> Both seem to go with chrome
[09:38] <Kilos> 16.04 shows more
[09:38] <Kilos> whats the link to your vid
[09:38] <Kilos> let me see if it works on opera
[09:38] <Langjan> http://www.speedtest.net/
[09:39] <Kilos> works with no pepperflash
[09:40] <Kilos> maybe i have adobe flash plugin installer
[09:40] <Kilos> nope no adobe stuff
[09:41] <Kilos> try opera-browser
[09:43] <chesedo> pepper flash is a chrome thing afaik
[09:44] <Kilos> https://www.opera.com/download/linux/
[09:44] <Kilos> gooi weg daai firefox ding
[09:45] <Langjan> Dont like opera
[09:46] <Langjan> maybe I must get rid of chrome
[09:46] <Langjan> and all its dependancies
[09:47] <Kilos> ai!
[09:47] <Kilos> i never use chrome
[09:47] <Kilos> i use bare minimal google stuf
[09:52] <Kilos> when fly and padda have done with iterum well have a bot that doesnt use google either
[09:54] <chesedo> Xethron: great article! Follow through is propably the hardest - atleast those hooks cover most of it. You did not mention about running the tests in CI when MR are submitted, did you also implement this?
[09:55] <Kilos> i think i still prefer 14.04 to 16.04
[09:55] <chesedo> Kilos: is iterum our new bot?
[09:56] <Kilos> yes they busy with it all the time, its the new version of ibid
[09:56] <Kilos> called iterum so you can still name your bot what you like
[09:56] <chesedo> ohhh great can't wait for it...
[09:56] <Kilos> 'hopefully maaz will be upgraded
[09:57] <Kilos> you can join #iterum to keep up chesedo
[09:57] <chesedo> btw at what time, must who be where for our reverification on the 19th?
[09:57] <chesedo> Kilos: will do
[09:57] <Kilos> we must all try attend the meeting
[09:57] <Kilos> last time was near midnight iirc
[09:59] <chesedo> ok, how will we be notified of the time?
[10:08] <Kilos> ill try find out and let you know
[10:08] <Kilos> ill drop it here and in the mail
[10:46] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[10:47] <Kilos> have you joined us on launchpad yet
[10:54] <nsnzero> hi kilos
[10:54] <nsnzero> yes i have - user nasan
[10:55] <Kilos-> cool ty
[11:00] <nsnzero> my pleasure
[11:03] <nsnzero> Kilos-: you on kubuntu now ?
[11:03] <Kilos-> yes and loving it
[11:03] <Kilos-> since 14.04
[11:05] <Kilos-> im gonna nap for a while wbb
[11:06] <nsnzero> ok take care
[11:07] <nsnzero> i will be on later as well
[13:25] <Langjan> Hi Kilos - Opera Beta or Stable?
[13:27] <Kilos> i use stable and opera-dev
[13:27] <Kilos> both work great
[13:27] <Kilos> and you can open each one independantly
[13:28] <Langjan> Let me give it another go, anything will be better than this Chrome/Firefox/Flash shambles.
[13:28] <Kilos> and run both the same time with 20 tabs open in each
[13:29] <Langjan> Why have both? Are they so bad that you need a constant backup?
[13:29] <Kilos> then i havent got 40 tabs open in one
[13:30] <Langjan> Better multi-tasker than  dom blond...
[13:30] <Kilos> and they can remember all tabs and you can set it to see them all everytime but only open when you need one
[13:30] <Kilos> haha
[13:31] <Kilos> and they are faster than firefox
[13:31] <Kilos> bit lighter i think
[13:32] <Langjan> If my videos dont work I will never believe you again...
[13:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:32] <Kilos> i looked on 14.04 i have pepperflashplugin installed there
[13:33] <Langjan> I have a new bug for you, but let me google it first
[13:33] <Kilos> but not here on 16.04 and it still runs speedtest fine
[13:33] <Kilos> haha
[13:33] <Kilos> be careful of what google tells you
[13:33] <Kilos> use advise only from ubuntu peeps mostly
[13:34] <Kilos> omgubuntu is ok
[13:34] <Kilos> but rather trust peeps like chesedo
[13:34] <Kilos> he can dig into things and fix them
[13:34] <Kilos> i do reinstall fixes
[13:37] <Langjan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[13:39] <Kilos> i just use synaptic and reinstall everything starting with x
[13:39] <Kilos> xserver etc
[13:39] <Kilos> and x11
[13:40] <chesedo> lol, I have just broke many systems with installs to be able to fix them
[13:40] <chesedo> btw I thought the videos are not playing in vlc, etc
[13:47] <Langjan> Phew there are hundreds of "x" s
[13:48] <Kilos> lol
[13:48] <Kilos> dont be lazy
[13:49] <Langjan> I'm not looking for ways to kill time
[13:49] <Langjan> with girls down under...
[13:49] <Langjan> sorry!
[13:50] <Kilos> lol
[13:50] <chesedo> Langjan: what are your freezing symptoms?
[13:51] <Kilos> and Langjan you must report bugs so they can sort them the updat upgrade will fix things
[13:51] <Langjan> hi chesedo when the screensaver activates, it freezes when I try to deactivate it by moving the mouse: then the last image just stays there and only sign of life is the mouse cursor moving
[13:52] <Kilos> every bug report helps them make ubuntu better
[13:52] <chesedo> Langjan: xscreensaver?
[13:52] <Langjan> yes
[13:52] <Kilos> turn off screensavers and choose blank page
[13:52] <chesedo> Langjan: ^^
[13:52] <Kilos> its maybe that suspend thibg
[13:52] <Kilos> thing
[13:52] <chesedo> they just waste CPU
[13:53] <Kilos> i turn off suspend as well
[13:53] <Langjan> Turn off suspend?
[13:54] <Kilos> i do yes
[13:55] <Kilos> look in power manager
[13:55]  * chesedo does not :P
[13:55] <Langjan> My suspend is turned off
[13:55]  * chesedo actually likes hiberate more than suspend but lappy does not support it
[13:56] <Kilos> one of my pcs froze everytime it suspened so ive turned it off since
[13:56] <Kilos> oh yes hibernate
[13:56] <Kilos> thats the thing
[13:56] <Kilos> i just let screen turn off or go blank
[13:56] <Kilos> screensaver blank screen
[13:56] <Kilos> or none, i forget
[13:58] <Kilos> wbb , resting time
[13:58] <Langjan> We like the xscreensavers, they rotate every minute and my grandchildren love to sit and watch them
[13:58] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <Langjan> Kilos, What do I do with packages that do not have re-install option in synaptic, only option is removal?
[14:10] <Xethron> chesedo: I have found that submitting to projects with tests are a lot easier than those without
[14:11] <Xethron> As its easier to see if you broke some sort of backwards compatibility issue. But I don't see it as a must, and the article was getting quite long already :P
[14:11] <Xethron> You are welcome to add a comment on it for others to read though :)
[14:11] <Kilos> leave them Langjan
[14:12] <Kilos> they are one time only packages that will stay basic needs without upgrades
[14:17] <Kilos> i think
[14:18] <Langjan> And missing recommends?
[14:18] <Langjan> here are 52 of those
[14:23] <Kilos> no worry
[14:24] <Kilos> only on occasion i add a recommend
[14:27] <Kilos> ami how much must be downloaded
[14:27] <Kilos> must be some patches there
[14:27] <Langjan> OK let me venture into the opera house
[14:27] <Langjan> ami?
[14:29] <Kilos> as a matter of interest i think
[15:55] <superfly> Xethron, chesedo tests++
[15:55] <Xethron> No, pre-increment is better. ++tests
[15:56] <Xethron> :P
[16:06] <superfly> Xethron: wahaha
[16:09] <Kilos> oh my , where did langjan go
[16:16] <Langjan> Hi Kilos and chesedo
[16:17] <Langjan> I found the solution to the xscreensaver prob
[16:19] <Langjan> Its just a setting. Under preferences, advanced, Fading and Colormaps the box "Fade to black when blanking" must be ticked.
[16:19] <Langjan> Xscreensaver settings very confusing
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[16:26] <Kilos> well done
[16:26] <Langjan> Thks Kilos, good mentor
[16:26] <Kilos> how much was downloaded
[16:55] <Langjan> Kilos, not the ultimate solution, only works sometimes. Back to the drawing board.
[16:55] <Kilos> ai!
[16:55] <Langjan> But gonna braai some chops now, better count your sheep. Enjoy the rest of the weekend and thks for all the help.
[16:56] <Kilos> what only works sometimes
[16:56] <Kilos> the videos?
[16:56] <Kilos> oh enjoy
[16:56] <Langjan> no the blocked screensaver
[16:56] <Langjan> thks
[16:56] <Kilos> see you monday
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:31] <nsnzero> Kilos: ?
[17:32] <Kilos> sigh i see only 4 members in the loco council and one informs me he has withdrawn.
[17:32] <Kilos> im trying to find a time for our meeting
[17:32] <Kilos> i ailed the community council now
[17:32] <Kilos> mailed
[17:33] <nsnzero> what position is that ?
[17:34] <Kilos> the loco council overseas and decides on our application for reverification
[17:34] <Kilos> the community council is the ubuntu controlling body
[17:35] <nsnzero> loco = local community
[17:36] <Kilos> thats each loco like the ubuntu-za loco
[17:36] <Kilos> the councils control us
[17:36] <nsnzero> so the local group applies to the parent group overseeing everything , just to say we here included us
[17:36] <Kilos> yes and show then we are still active
[17:37] <Kilos> loco council is the parent group of all the locos world wide
[17:37] <nsnzero> 3 members shows activity though
[17:37] <Kilos> ive mailed a few of them and one community council member
[17:38] <Kilos> at meetings they need 4 to make a quorum
[17:39] <Kilos> sometimes a member or two of the community council step in to help out when needed
[17:39] <nsnzero> off topic : i am never happy with my themes on kubuntu - wasting some time editing everthing
[17:39] <Kilos> what themes
[17:40] <Kilos> you like more eye candy?
[17:40] <nsnzero> now i have a dark blue theme - with glass icons and custom login and lock screens
[17:41] <Kilos> i just change the desktop background with a picture
[17:42] <nsnzero> now how do you get to be a community member?
[17:42] <Kilos> on the laptop here i have the standard new background
[17:42] <Kilos> you first apply for ubuntu membership
[17:43] <Kilos> then after a while when there is a vacancy you can apply
[17:43] <nsnzero> ubuntu-one ?
[17:43] <Kilos> let me find you a link
[17:43] <Kilos> its quite a job
[17:44] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj3_Ijc4_vQAhVC6RQKHapXCOsQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FMembership%2FNewMember&usg=AFQjCNEgOfMbyOP705uzcjfdIqgEbGanJA
[17:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:44] <Kilos> sorry for thaqt long link
[17:44] <nsnzero> yeah i can see : personal wiki page , code of conduct , testimonials , agenda
[17:46] <Kilos> lol signing the code of conduct was a major job for me
[17:46] <Kilos> had to get help
[17:46] <Kilos> even needed help with my wiki page
[17:47] <nsnzero> atleast now my PGP keys will come in handy
[17:48] <Kilos> yeah
[17:48] <nsnzero> forgot my launchpad password ????
[17:49] <Kilos> i had to get help with that as well
[17:49] <Kilos> i was very stupid
[17:49] <Kilos> and now im even more so
[17:50] <nsnzero> we all still learning
[17:55] <nsnzero> no gota reset my account again - using 64bit passwords - think it too long
[18:01] <Kilos> learning is fine , its forgetting what you learned thats a pain
[18:02] <nsnzero> what i have forgotten never bothers me until i remember that i forgot it
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <nsnzero> i had to start using keepassx to store passwords - before i had 1 password to remember now i have least 20
[18:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:06] <nsnzero> everything requires passwords today
[18:06] <Kilos> i use one difficult one everywhere
[18:09] <nsnzero> now how do i sign the code of conduct - cant seem to find where i need to upload my PGP keys
[18:10] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8k_TT6fvQAhXBXRQKHXBECFIQFggkMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FSigningCodeofConduct&usg=AFQjCNHo3DFhvNsTv0rFQvMsrJEAcfTuMA
[18:11] <Kilos> there is a walk through in our trello
[18:15] <nsnzero> thanks
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: why should nsnzero apply to be an Ubuntu member? Surely all he needs to do is join the LoCo?
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: unless nsnzero has some serious Ubuntu cred he is unlikely to be made a member. Heck, they were skeptical of me
[18:31] <nsnzero> hey superfly
[18:31] <superfly> nsnzero: no offence intended, is just that Kilos gets excited about these things, and I don't want to put you through unnecessary stress
[18:32] <superfly> *it's
[18:32] <nsnzero> just trying to help out here
[18:32] <Kilos> he asked superfly
[18:32] <Kilos> he has joined us on lp
[18:32] <superfly> I don't know what Ubuntu cred you have, but they tend to be quite strict about it
[18:33] <superfly> Kilos: absolutely. Please join the team on Launchpad, that's your official Ubuntu-ZA membership
[18:33] <superfly> nsnzero: ^^
[18:34] <nsnzero> i have no ubuntu creds atm - i am registered with the launchpad
[18:34] <superfly> nsnzero: by all means, please get involved
[18:35] <Kilos> did you see what i said about the reverification superfly
[18:35] <nsnzero> didnt know that there is so much work for you guys
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: I saw something about not all the LoCo council being available
[18:37] <Kilos> hopefully they can make quorum with the help from the cc
[18:38] <Kilos> i mailed belkie for info
[18:38] <Kilos> she is on the cc now
[18:40] <superfly> Ok
[18:40] <superfly> Wow, even the official Ubuntu structures seem to be falling apart -_-
[18:40] <Kilos> yip
[18:40] <Kilos> worrying
[18:41] <Kilos> time for us to climb in and help
[18:41] <Kilos> peeps are just too busy
[18:42] <nsnzero> i think there is too much red tape - wouldn't more join if it where a simpler process
[18:42] <superfly> Kilos: I'll be honest, I don't think there's a need anymore
[18:42] <Kilos> yes it seems to be working without all the structures
[18:43] <Kilos> but then they must drop the reverification process
[18:43] <Kilos> cant make old structures work if they arent there
[18:44] <superfly> Comes back to the question I asked the previous time... Why? What does being an official LoCo give us?
[18:44] <nsnzero> guys the point of local community is to provide feedback ? am i correct or is it entirely something else
[18:44] <Kilos> very um
[18:45] <Kilos> er
[18:45] <superfly> nsnzero: it's basically to provide a local community for users.
[18:45] <Kilos> controversial issue superfly
[18:45] <superfly> nsnzero: and indirectly, advertising for Canonical
[18:46] <Kilos> nsnzero basically locos are like we are, here to help each other and newbies
[18:46] <Kilos> and grow ubuntu
[18:46] <superfly> nsnzero: they don't say that, but that's how Canonical benefits from it
[18:47] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[18:47] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 3 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes and 23 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-12-13 21:16:28 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2016-12-10 15:14:12 SAST
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <Kilos> long weekend for him
[18:49] <superfly> I need to go back to sleep, I'll chat later
[18:49] <Kilos> night superfly
[18:49] <Kilos> min dae
[18:50] <nsnzero> take care
[19:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:37] <chesedo> exit
[20:37] <chesedo> lol
[20:37]  * chesedo thought he was in the terminal


[00:07] <elopio> bdmurray: 2.31 is ready in https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft
[00:08] <elopio> the debian changelog is up-to-date. Please let me know if you need something else.
[15:54] <elopio> bdmurray: hello. Please remember our dput :)
[16:17] <elopio> bdmurray: oh wait, it seems Sergio appeared from his holidays and it's already here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/2.31+17.10.1
[16:17] <elopio> so I think now we just need help to put it in all the -proposed.
[17:28] <bdmurray> elopio: I'm under the impression that the click packages here are needed for the snapcraft SRU https://launchpad.net/~sergiusens/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=click&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[17:29] <elopio> bdmurray: yes :( I asked Steve on #ubuntu-devel about it. He
[17:29] <elopio> says he'll try to get it dput today.
[17:30] <elopio> I find it a little confusing that you are not all in the same channel :)
[17:31] <bdmurray> I probably am in the channel but can't read everything.
[17:41] <bdmurray> elopio: Oh, I wasn't - thanks.
[17:42] <bdmurray> elopio: Bug 1696402 is missing SRU information. Do you know anything about it?
[17:42] <elopio> bdmurray: oh, that wasn't part of the original fix by Sergio. He had to add it to get the autopkgtests passing.
[17:43] <elopio> would it be enough if I add this information?
[17:46] <bdmurray> elopio: something along the lines of which test was failing and noting we should make sure it passes etc... would be sufficient.
[18:04] <elopio> bdmurray: done.
[22:10] <tdaitx> could someone please create tasks in LP: #1696886 for Zesty, Yakkety and Xenial with importance Whishlist?
[23:22] <tdaitx> oh, besides the new tasks, the main task importance for LP: #1696886 should also be set to whishlist


 @ahoneybun you mind if I share your twitter news here?
 Ahh you saw, yep it's fine.
 https://twitter.com/fishfulpenguin/status/1563248225775386624
 Haha you retweeted with the kubuntu account
 Congratulations 🎉
 Deliberately. I figure that is  ok for a long standing member/contributor and KC member ;) (re @ahoneybun: Haha you retweeted with the kubuntu account)
 Thanks!


[00:03] <robtygart> Does anyone know where I can get some extra screen savers
[00:06] <KJ_agent007> do a google search rob
[00:06] <disharmonic> robtygart, kde-look.org?
[00:06] <KJ_agent007> tons of em out there
[00:08] <KJ_agent007> but why bother with screan savers?   just put the monitor in sleep mode
[00:08] <robtygart> cool thank you
[00:08] <robtygart> They are fun
[00:10] <robtygart> KJ_agent007: Turn on some music and sit back a watch your screen savers.
[00:14] <disharmonic> gn
[01:08] <timinphx1> hi there, I installed the kernel upgrade this afternoon, and now I am unable to watch any youtube video's in my Chome browser.  Anyone else having any similar issues?
[01:47] <robtygart> timinphx1: can you in another browser? If not it could be a flash issue.
[03:04] <KJ_agent007> yeah, flash is a little flakey in linux these days
[04:12] <hussaind> hello. i am getting "Please ensure JAVA_HOME points to JDK rather than jre" error while installing idea IDE
[04:13] <hussaind> please help
[04:22] <james147> hussaind: do you have a jdk installed? and where does JAVA_HOME point to?
[04:30] <hussain> james147: is this correct ?
[05:28] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, how can I run a Kubuntu upgrade process from a USB key?
[05:31] <LINKSWORD2> Any help?
[05:34] <ussher_> upgrade?
[06:06] <ghost_> Gotta love GNU.
[07:56] <Jeena> I have a weird problem, I installed Kubuntu on two different computers and on both I have the problem that I can't open Context menus (for example rightclick in firefox) it opens for half a second or shorter and closes again
[07:56] <Jeena> the same happens for select boxes or comboboxes I think they're called
[07:57] <Jeena> is that a known thing with a workaround?
[09:27] <raymears> hi. i am experiencing a frustrating issues with font sizes in swing awt applications, such as NetBeans IDE and a couple of others. The fonts of the window menus have a different size than the rest of kde... any idea how to fix this? I've been googling this issue for about a week now...
[09:29] <raymears> in the swing applications i have selected the GTK Look and feel and in KDE i have selected the oxygen-gtk widget style for rendering GTK stuff. It also works perfectly in real gtk apps...as they look pretty oxygeny. It is just the swing apps that are  annoying
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:07] <raza> Im using kubuntu 12.10. When i go to blueooth it says "no bluetooth adapters found"
[12:07] <raza> any way to fix this ?
[12:11] <raza> Kubuntu is installed on my acer laptop
[12:12] <raza> do i need to attach seperate hardware or any way to find out if my laptop already has it ?
[12:14] <invariant> Most likely you don't have the drivers loaded.
[12:14] <invariant> But you can file this as a bug, imho.
[12:14] <invariant> If it says that in a GUI, then it should have done some effort to find the adapters.
[12:15] <invariant> What it likely meant to say was: "No bluetooth adapters are visible to this software stack because the driver is not loaded and only root can do that".
[12:15] <invariant> Or something like: "Currently no drivers are loaded, but we know you have hardware X, do you know want to load this driver? Please input password."
[12:15] <invariant> Something like that.
[12:16] <yofel> driver loading is automatic. So it's either a driver failure or a missing driver usually
[12:38] <anonim> a
[13:45] <Guest33332> ?
[15:28] <Senjai> Hello
[15:28] <Senjai> Just curious
[15:28] <Senjai> is Kubuntu shipped with that silly shopping lens in Ubuntu
[15:29] <tsimpson> we have no lenses, we have KDE
[15:29] <BluesKaj> shopping lens ?
[15:29] <tsimpson> a Dash/Unity thing
[15:29] <Senjai> Its a privacy joke
[15:30] <Senjai> just double checking
[15:30] <tsimpson> it's not as bad as people seem to want to think it is
[15:30] <Senjai> mm
[15:30] <BluesKaj> what is it anyway ?
[15:30] <Senjai> Not as bad as in .. not as bad as windows?
[15:31] <Senjai> Its used for shopping for music in music players, but it sends all search keywords to canonical servers for storage and targets you with ads.
[15:31] <tsimpson> when you search for something from the default Dash search, it also includes amazon results for that search term
[15:31] <tsimpson> it's not ads, and it's anonymous
[15:31] <Senjai> its not anonymous, your ip is sent..
[15:32] <Senjai> Dash --> Canonical --> Amazon --> Canonical --> Dash
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I used unity for a couple weeks , but I didn't bother with those links
[15:32] <tsimpson> your IP is sent to canonical, as with every apt-get you do
[15:32] <tsimpson> and your IP is not sent to Amazon at all
[15:32] <Senjai> But its not stored for use in the future. Neither are what you use apt get to get.
[15:32] <Senjai> No it isnt
[15:32] <Senjai> Its used to store your searches on canonical servers
[15:32] <BluesKaj> who cares
[15:32] <tsimpson> it's not sent to Amazon at all
[15:33] <tsimpson> and the searches aren't stored iirc
[15:33] <tsimpson> what you have is basically a forwarding proxy on the Canonical side
[15:34] <Senjai> They are stored. The more searches you do the more relevant the information becomes
[15:34] <Senjai> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/does-ubuntus-amazon-lens-break-eu-law
[15:35] <tsimpson> well even so, it's still not traceable, and not included in KDE
[15:35] <Senjai> Not included in KDE is great. Its not traceable from Amazon, but is from Canonical.
[15:35] <Senjai> I'm a privacy nut
[15:35] <Senjai> Not gonna lie.
[15:35] <Torch> Senjai: this is totally off topic here, isn't it?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, what's the command to delete "orphaned modules" ?
[15:35] <Senjai> Torch: I guess now it would be
[15:35] <Senjai> Torch: It wasn't originally.
[15:36] <tsimpson> it's not traceable from Canonical, they can only tell a request was sent from your IP
[15:36] <tsimpson> or rather, from an IP registered to some ISO
[15:36] <tsimpson> *ISP
[15:36] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: which modules are you referring to?
[15:36] <Senjai> tsimpson: Let's agree to disagree on the topic :) Arguements on the internet after all. Thank you for your input though.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, "userconfig/userconfig.py" seems to be blocking  system settings>user management from loading ..I removed the file but it appears un deletable
[15:41] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, the error also states that an orphaned module was left after the latest KDE upgrade
[15:42] <tsimpson> ser Management loads the userconfig.py script, so it won't work if you remove that
[15:42] <tsimpson> *User Management
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:42] <tsimpson> I'm not sure I've ever seen an error or warning about orphaned modules though
[15:43] <tsimpson> I'm on 4.9.5 though, so maybe it's something to do with the pre-released KDE
[15:43] <BluesKaj> I recall seeing them yrs ago , but not lately
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm testing kde 4.10 , but I also had it with 4.9.98
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it doesn't matter much since i'm not adding or editing any groups or users etc
[16:32] <Ab3L> hi. i have a little problem with the sound. from shell i can play sounds using the commands play or mplayer followed by the file.wav i want to play. but when i put the command in ktimer, i cannot hear anything. which is the right command to give to play a wav file?
[16:45] <mandoguit> in the middle of upgrading 12.10 -> 13.04      any buglets when doing this automated upgrade being reported so far?   tnks
[17:00] <giannhs694> no1 speaks?
[18:50] <alusion> Hey uhhh, can I install steam on the latest kubuntu?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> !steam
[18:59] <BluesKaj> alusion, ^
[19:01] <DarthFrog> alusion: I'm running Steam on 64 bit Kubuntu 12.10.  You will need to install the 32 bit libraries if you're running 64 bit.
[19:17] <mandoguit> fwiw.... just finished doing an automatic upgrade from 12.10 -> 13.04 with no problems except having to delete some older kernels in /boot due to space considerations.   Also did a previous automatic upgrade from 12.04 -> 12.10 without any problems.... pretty slick imho!   Thanks again to the devs and others who support Kunbuntu!  :-)
[19:27]  * sbivol thinks that mandoguit is a brave soul for deciding to dist-upgrade his system and thanks him for sharing his experience
[19:29] <mandoguit> sbivol:  lol   yw     was a bit wary of doing it that way too but thought "what the heck...."  ;-)
[19:30] <BluesKaj> do-release-upgrade from 12.10>13.04 worked here , when the live-cd ionstalle rwould stall right after the location and time zone entries
[19:30] <sbivol> BluesKaj: I installed 13.04 (some daily image) a couple of weeks ago and it went smooth as silk
[19:31] <BluesKaj> ionstalle r = ionstaller
[19:31] <BluesKaj> :)
[19:32] <BluesKaj> sbivol, there are still some hardware issues with AMD64bit with Nvidia where ubiquity doesn't recognize the hardware and freezes
[19:33] <BluesKaj> on the live-dvd
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, can I ask questions here about installing printers?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, go ahead and ask .. maybew we can help
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> I'm tring to install a TOSHIBA e-STUDIO255 as a network printer
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> the drivers for this model are not in the ubuntu database (at least not in the installer list)
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> but I've found the driver on the toshiba website
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> here: http://business.toshiba.com/support/downloads.jsp?site=usa
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> sbivol: here you go: http://copiers.toshiba.com/downloads/KB/file_uploads/11087/linux.tar
[19:42] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what to do with those files
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, in the terminal , unrar e linux.tar , then look for the readme and install text files in the reulting folder in your home directory, and follow the instructions given there.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> err resulting folder
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> I succeded
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> i tried the CUPS driver instead of the linux driver
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> http://copiers.toshiba.com/downloads/KB/file_uploads/7837/TOSHIBA_EST455_855_CUPS.gz
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> it worked with this one
[19:51] <BluesKaj> ok , good ..cups is getting better at including more printers then ever
[19:53] <alusion> I'm in a very strange step right now of my kubuntu experience
[19:53] <alusion> I'm about to install propietary drivers for my AMD graphics card
[19:53] <alusion> last time OpenGL would crash a lot with KDE, and it was driver related issues
[19:56] <sbivol> alusion: what Kubuntu version and what graphics chipset do you have?
[19:56] <alusion> 12.10 and I have a sapphire radeon 6850 running on a 64bit system
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: How can I add this driver to the default driver database, so it will be available to others?
[20:02] <sbivol> alusion: I have 12.10 on a sapphire radeon 6760 and no issues
[20:03] <alusion> you installed the propietary drivers?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, well that would involve a lot of  permissions etc on toshiba's part unless it's already been given an open licence/agreement
[20:05] <BluesKaj> sbivol, alusion fglrx driver ?
[20:05] <sbivol> alusion: yes, I have driver version 9.00.11
[20:05] <DarthFrog> sbivol: If you're planning on installing the fglrx drivers for gaming with Steam, AMD has done a lot of work recently to improve them.  But you'd need to get the latest 'n greatest from the xorg-edgers PPA.
[20:06] <sbivol> DarthFrog: I'm happy for the moment, since steam didn't want to create an account for me last time I tried, so I'm happy with the current driver
[20:06] <DarthFrog> And if you add the xorg-edgers PPA to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d collection, a dist-upgrade will also install the 3.7 kernel on 12.10
[20:07] <alusion> Do I wanna do that if I care about stability?
[20:07] <DarthFrog> sbivol: I think you have to have a pre-existing account with Steam (i.e. in Windows or Mac OS).
[20:08] <DarthFrog> No, you shouldn't install anything outside the official Canonical repos if you are concerned about stability.
[20:08] <DarthFrog> Installing from PPAs can be de-stabilizing.
[20:09] <sbivol> DarthFrog: well, there was a very explicit dialog that offered me to create an account, so I guess it's possible.  I didn't get the confirmation email...
[20:09] <DarthFrog> sbivol:  Then I guess my info is out of date.  :-)
[20:09] <DarthFrog> When I first installed Steam (i.e. as soon as Valve released the beta client), that was the case.
[20:11] <alusion> I'm going to setup a backup solution before I go through with it
[20:21] <alusion> what's the equivalent to system restore point in kubuntu
[20:22] <Walex> There is no close equivalent because it is not needed. Most UNIX-like systems have robust package management and library management, and DLL/COM hell usually does not happen.
[20:23] <alusion> Alright well just incase this package screws with my system, I can just purge the drivers then right
[20:23] <Walex> alusion: yes, and there is something called "Safe mode" in ubuntu.
[20:24] <Walex> alusion: the basic idea is that it is very difficult to screw up a UNIX-like system to the point it cannot boot in at least text mode, and from there one can fix any problem with a number of utilities.
[20:25] <alusion> yeah of course. I just want to get familiar with change management, I'm one of those people that likes to drive fast but keep the car scratchless.
[20:26] <alusion> last time that wasn't the case and my system would implode time to time and I'd be reduced to a tty to fix problems in my inconvenience
[20:28] <Walex> alusion: as you may have already discovered the only practical weakness with GNU/Linux drivers is graphics cards...
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Walex, well amd/ati card drivers have been somewhat neglected the last few yrs , whereas nvidia is trying to keep up
[20:46] <frenzz> irc://irc.uragano.org/SunShiNe
[20:48] <sbivol> frenzz: what?
[21:00] <keithzg> BluesKaj: I dunno, I've actually had some pretty bad issues with NVIDIA cards in the last few years, and far fewer with my ATI/AMD ones. Mostly it's just *very* different development approaches (NVIDIA is unified cross-platform, but has no open drivers; AMD keeps distinct per-OS closed lines, and also does open Linux development).
[21:01]  * keithzg remembers getting an NVIDIA issue a few years back where the solution was to disable some specific X11 rendering features. Then a friend running Windows got hit by the same bug. "Oh, I fixed that on my machine! . . . but, err, the fix may not be too applicable to your box."
[21:05] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I've had both amd and nvidia cards on a couple of linux machines and i've always been able to find a driver fix with nvidia , not so with amd . IME
[21:09] <Walex> keithzg: nVidia claim that the driver source is the same on Linux and MS-Windows, just the OS dependent wrapper is different (very different).
[21:29] <keithzg> walex: Indeed, hence identical issues on such fundamentally different platforms.
[21:31] <keithzg> BluesKaj: yeah, it's always per-person, the experience. I was mostly just saying that it's not like AMD's drivers aren't under constant development, because they are; but the split nature of the development (windows, Linux closed-source, Linux open-source) results in certain issues, while the Nvidia approach results in others. Like how I couldn't even run KDE4 without constant crashing until ~4.3, heh (mostly TwinView was at fault there).
[23:18] <entreri> hey there, I'm looking to install Ubuntu or Kubuntu on an old netbook, which one is lighter ?
[23:19] <entreri> Ubuntu use to lag a lot and I wonder if Kubuntu would be better


[11:49] <blscoe> Hello. I was searching through google for personally identifying information and came across some of my conversations long ago logged on irclogs.ubuntu.com. Is there any hope of redacting some of this?


[02:04] <ilvipero> teward: Thanks for the chat. I will speak with Fallen today and we'll get back to you via email.
[02:05] <teward> thank you kindly!
[02:05] <teward> *goes to oiffline*
[14:28] <Fallen> ilvipero: I have a draft for the wallpaper contest post, can you review? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y3FKmVCflXpDama2_1f_IpIFWksK47IazeGkkyksHdk/edit#
[14:30] <ilvipero> Fallen: awesome, on it right away!
[17:09] <Fallen> ilvipero: Oliver flagged the timeframe to do the vetting on if the submissions are truly original may be too short. I'll have to check with Britt tomorrow if this is reasonable and then push it out then
[19:33] <Fallen> Eickmeyer: thanks for chiming in on the TB meeting. I'm happy to help move things forward and help with the prep, I'll just need someone to work with since I haven't supported an election before. If it is just a matter of a 30 minute call to kick things off maybe we can find some time :)
[19:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Fallen: Honestly, I haven't either. Right now, the CC is mostly active consisting of myself and teward, occasional activity from nhaines and jose , and very little if any activity from Lina (she's a physician probably still dealing with COVID in her country), and Walter is MIA. So Thomas and I are doing most of the heavy lifting, and it's very heavy at times.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, to answer your earlier question about if we can start meetings again? I don't know. But with our skeleton crew, we're trying our best.
[19:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> The pandemic took a lot out of our CC. We were elected during the pandemic and managed to get through it still functioning.
[19:39] <Fallen> I chatted with Lina and Torsten and they pledged to get more involved, though understandable things might not move as quickly with everything going on in the world. Maybe it would be a win to set up a meeting with a subset, this way it might be easier to find time and commitment?
[19:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Maybe. Forgot about Torsten, haven't seen him much at all either. toddy is in this chat, that's him.
[19:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> We're all up on our terms soon, and it's possible that some of us underestimated the commitment, but I can't speak for all of us in that regard.
[19:44] <rbasak> Fallen, Eickmeyer[m]: docs here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-create-an-election/1387
[19:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Thanks rbasak !
 "ilvipero: Oliver flagged the..." <- Happy to have a chat and review dates as needed. The timeframe is tight for sure. But  we don't need to wait after we close CFP to start reviewing, and we can do as soon as talks start flowing in.
[23:19] <arraybolt3[m]> ilvipero: Any update on the Kylin screenshots?
[23:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, Fallen: Still haven't heard back from MATE, any updates?
 "ilvipero: Any update on the..." <- Handsome Feng told me he was going to take care of it. I can follow up with him


[18:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if you can confirm that some devices in extra devices have no rates with 2.2.6 then you can confirm the bug
[18:23] <OvenWerks> if you can test my fix in github fixes that, then I can release
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Sorry, been pretty slow today. I'll get to that test.
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Could not duplicate the issue, but I see no issue with the fix, feel free to release.
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: In fact, I'd say the commit is more sane than leaving it alone.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, the sooner you release that the better because then I can justify it to the release team.


[01:51] <user|89070> Здравствуйте. Ошибка при установке kubuntu 20.04
[01:51] <user|89070> 90% и crash report
[01:52] <user|89070> Hello. Error installing kubuntu 20.04
[01:52] <user|89070> 90% and crash report
 ZDNet: IPStorm botnet expands from Windows to Android, Mac, and Linux. … https://www.zdnet.com/article/ipstorm-botnet-expands-from-windows-to-android-mac-and-linux/
 New malware bother hits Linux
 Botnet*
 That is why you need to use antivirus and firewalls on Linux.
[05:15] <twomax> Hi guys
[05:15] <twomax> i am new here
 Welcome
 Twomax
[06:07] <fxx> hello guys, I'm running kubuntu from live usb and everything works alright, but when I install full kubuntu to a removable usb stick it runs painfully slow, takes 10 minutes to load desktop after entering password. Is there something wrong with my usb stick or kubuntu is just not meant to be installed like that?
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <lordievader> fxx: Time to check the health of your disks.
[06:12] <fxx> I don't have any disks except for usb sticks at this computer, usb stick is brand new, how do I check it's health?
[06:15] <lordievader> Brr, usb sticks are typically slow.
[06:17] <fxx> I get it, I currently run kubuntu from and old 4GB stick, and everything works fine, I have tried installing full kubuntu to a new 64GB stick, it's ridiculuosly slow when run from it...
 Sup
[06:21] <fxx> It's a first linux I ever ran, so I'm clueless how to check for usb stick health
[06:30] <lordievader> fxx: For as far as I know you cant. However, it is my experience that usb sticks are terribly slow (compared to HDDs or SSDs).
 Oh
 Glad to see conversations here
[06:55] <lordievader> fxx: Have you tested the speed of the 64GB stick with `dd` or something?
 Usb 3 is pretty cool
[08:11] <tuxed> hi
 How r u
[08:22] <tuxed> I am fine
[08:22] <tuxed> sorry for the late reply..

 Cool
 @fxx, Use smartmontools
 Command "Sudo apt-get install smartmontools " in konsole
[09:48] <lordievader> Don't think there are many usbsticks that support smart. Besides, fxx left ;)
[11:54] <user|74607> When the system starts, the file manager and torrent are launched, how to disable it?
[11:56] <diogenes_> user|74607, from applications autostart settings or from the torrent client itself.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:48] <serenity> hi
 Hello
[13:04] <decoratorfactory> hi
[13:11] <cooldoglol> what is this
[13:25] <user|19945> How do I stop the x server?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> user|19945, why?
[13:31] <user|19945> BluesKaj: Which command turns off the graphical interface, the driver needs to be installed
[13:32] <BluesKaj> you can install the driver in the terminal without stopping the X server
[13:33] <BluesKaj> which gpu driver is it ?
[13:35] <user|19945> Nvidia 450.80.02
[13:36] <BluesKaj> is this for a server using cuda?
[13:51] <fxx> Hello guys, how do I check if /tmp is in ram or on drive and it's max size?
[13:57] <decoratorfactory> Does this help? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/256321/where-is-my-tmp-mounted
[14:00] <fxx> Yes, thank you! It is in fact in ram... When I try to install AMD drivers, they try to unpack into /tmp, runs out of space and Kubuntu hangs - couldn't even move a mouser cursor for 15 minutes before hard reboot. How do I make it use physical drive for temp installation files?
[14:02] <fxx> mouse* not mouser :-]
 hi, I have a short question. I read in a article about the upcoming Ubuntu 20.10 that "The Ubuntu installer, Ubiquity has a new icon and a new feature: Active Directory (AD) integration. ". Will this also be available on Kubuntu?
 @user|74607, Disable services from auto starting using startup manager.
 @diogenes_, Applications and services manager
 Hello all
[15:18] <user|19997> if i uninstall Kubuntu from my windows7 laptop, what will happen? will i lose all my saved data?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> whatever data is stored on your kubuntu partition will be lost , yes.
 Hello, is this community-based group?
[16:03] <user|95> Ошибка установки Kubuntu 20.04 на 90+%
[16:04] <user|95> Error installing Kubuntu 20.04 on 90+
 @user|95, What kind of error?
 Hi guys i am new here and new kubuntu user
 Hello! 🖐
[20:16] <ally__> yi
[20:19] <ally__> jo
[20:19] <ally__> hi
 hihi
[22:34] <juano-M> <user|95 "Error installing Kubuntu 20.04 o"> Are you Tried 20.04.1 ISO?


[15:45] <Velho> hello friends! I'm considering converting to UbuntuStudio. I'm not a very experienced Linux user, but I know some stuff. Tryiong AV Linux. Can I install the AV Linux programs in Ubuntu Studio? There are some interesting programs I would like to try...
[18:39] <holstein> Velho: there actually are no "avlinux" programs
[18:39] <holstein> Velho: the software in the audio production work flow are basically the same, and typically, the same versions
[18:40] <holstein> what i tell users is, the "best" distro for production will typically be the one that one is most familiar with.. if one is familiar with debian/ubuntu, then, ubuntustudio is a nice choice, since, it come with things pre-configured for audio produciton, and other production work
[18:40] <holstein> that being said, one can easily install main ubuntu, or *any* official flavor, and install the ubuntustudio applications.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[18:41] <holstein> AVlinux is built on a debian base now, and, i actually use it as well.. and also KXstudio
[19:01] <Velho> holstein, thank you for the lesson
[19:02] <Velho> So, What is pre-installed in any distro can be installed in any other distro?
[19:02] <cfhowlett> Velho, all buntus use the same repos so ... yes
[19:04] <Velho> cfhowlett, for ubuntus, I can clearly undestand. But ubuntu is Debian based. Any other debian distro can use repository files from Ubuntu without COMPATIBILITY problems?
[19:04] <cfhowlett> Velho, nope.
[19:05] <cfhowlett> Velho, compile a debian file from source, sure.
[19:07] <Velho> cfhowlett, is it hard to compile a source?
[19:07] <cfhowlett> !source | Velho
[19:07] <cfhowlett> !compile
[19:08] <cfhowlett> Velho, IMHO no, but I'm an atypical user
[19:09] <Velho> so, Debian distros are not necessarily compatible, right? This issue is been hard for me to understand... if theres a site or a video talking about it, I would like to understand it
[19:09] <holstein> the sources will say what they support..
[19:09] <holstein> !ppa
[19:09] <holstein> even ppa's, that *do* support ubuntu, are use at your own risk
[19:10] <holstein> when you compile yourself, you can taking that responsibility on as well.. and, TBH, you really shouldnt need to compile anything from scratch to do audio production
[19:10] <Velho> I just aknowlege the existence of PPA today. Still trying to truly understand what these are, and mean
[19:11] <holstein> Velho: if you and i made a new app, and wanted to get it to users using ubuntu, one "easy" way to do that would be to provide and maintain a PPA
[19:11] <holstein> falk, who makes KXstudio, for example, does this to port his software, and versions of software into the ubuntu base
[19:12] <Velho> hmm, so PPA ate like non-official repositories?
[19:12] <Velho> *are
[19:12] <holstein> Velho: basicallly.. sources that users can add "at their own risk"
[19:12] <Velho> cfhowlett, what do you mean by "atypical user"?
[19:13] <cfhowlett> officially unsupported.  you break it, you fix
[19:13] <Velho> do you guys use PPAs?
[19:13] <cfhowlett> Velho, most users don't know or want to know the kind of things I like to play with. they just want their box to work.
[19:14] <holstein> Velho: if i want an application, i will try a PPA, knowing the risk, and accepting it
[19:15] <Velho> holstein, well, I guess that's what I do wenever using Windows, Facebook, Google, etc... ;)
[19:17] <holstein> its similar.. but, you can integrate this into the packageing system.. you can add the google ppa, and then, any package manager can search and install packages from that source
[19:34] <Velho> holstein, I'm understanding it a little bit more, thanks :) but not entirely yet.
[19:35] <holstein> Velho: i wouldnt worry too much about it, anyways.. you *really* dont need extra sources, or compiling from source to get started with audio production
[19:35] <holstein> Velho: you can also get quite a bit of work done using ubuntustudio "live".. so, i suggest trying that, and getting used to the main tools..
[19:37] <Velho> holstein, so what do a windows user needs to know to make pro-audio in Linux?
[19:37] <holstein> Velho: i think just this.. that its *not* windows.. and its not intending to be windows
[19:38] <holstein> *all* the software you use in windows.. *any* of those vendors are welcome and encouraged to make any/all of that software available to you in linux
[19:38] <holstein> if they dont/wont, then, linux cant do anything to facilitate that.. its not preventing support for anything.. all of linux is open and anyone can easily support it
[19:38] <holstein> i say, take it patiently, and try starting from the same place one did in windows
[19:38] <Velho> holstein, I already played with the main tools. From what I understand, the concept is: everything is connected to and from Jack.  I still need to study about the rt-kernel
[19:39] <holstein> Velho: no you dont
[19:39] <holstein> Velho: just use the kernel that ubuntustudio ships with
[19:39] <Velho> what if i need to record audio?
[19:40] <Velho> audio in real time I mean?
[19:40] <holstein> Velho: RT doesnt enable the ability to record audio
[19:40] <holstein> and, do you need to record in realtime? and what does that even mean? recording in realtime?
[19:40] <holstein> have you hit a "bottle neck"? with latency?
[19:40] <Velho> holstein, a false statement, I know...
[19:40] <holstein> realtime is good for *only* 2 things
[19:41] <holstein> either you need it, or you dont
[19:41] <Velho> realtime doesn't exist, one will always have a latency
[19:41] <holstein> its for realtime effects processing, and using software instruments.. otherwise, you dont need it
[19:41] <delt> lowlatency is good enough for me, personally
[19:41] <holstein> sure. thats why i say "low latency"
[19:41] <holstein> and thats what im talking about.. lower latency
[19:41] <Velho> I'm a reall noob to Linux, but I know a lot about digital audio
[19:42] <holstein> now, for me, i need/want around 8ms latency at least for "realtime" audio work.. realtime effects and software synths
[19:42] <holstein> if i cant get 8ms, i dont need/want 12.. or 20.. or 40ms.. its can literally be *whatever*
[19:42] <delt> 10ms latency is good enough for me.
[19:42] <delt> i can't tell the difference with lower than that
[19:42] <Velho> holstein, do you get those 8ms latency with the "normal" ubuntustudio kernel?
[19:42] <holstein> you typically cant do 10ms latency on an internalu sound card.. so, the hardware will typically be the "botle neck"
[19:42] <holstein> bottle*
[19:43] <holstein> Velho: yes.. i can achieve 8ms latency with the included "stock" lowlatency kernel shipped with ubuntustudio.. with *many* audio devices
[19:43] <holstein> now, for 1.2 ms with my firewire device, i need and rt kernel .. but i dont *need* that funcionality
[19:43] <Velho> holstein, my jaw is dropping. You mean with the internal sound card??
[19:44] <holstein> Velho: no.. i dont use internal sound cards for audio production
[19:44] <holstein> Velho: in any operating system
[19:44] <holstein> they are not made/intended for that.. so i dont bother
[19:44] <holstein> if i want to use one, i expect and accept the limitations of them
[19:44] <holstein> i have used one for a pianoteq appliance for example.. but, i didnt run jack on that device
[19:45] <holstein> all i wanted was a "player" for pianoteq..
[19:45] <holstein> it was connected via USB to the keyboard, and pianoteq was running alsa only.. since i didint need pulse or jack for what i was doing
[19:45] <delt> holstein: what keyboard do you use with pianoteq?
[19:45] <holstein> delt: anything midi, or midi usb
[19:46] <delt> korg, roland, ....?
[19:46] <holstein> at that time, it was an old weighted alesisQS8.1
[19:46] <Velho> my problem is that I have a Edirol FA-66 and there are no drivers for Linux :(   I was considering using UbuntuStudio as a Guest on VirtualBox, and host it with my Windows 7, that has the edirol drivers
[19:46] <holstein> Velho: i read that works "out of the bos"
[19:46] <holstein> box*
[19:46] <holstein> Velho: *nothing* vitualized will work with audio production
[19:46] <holstein> Velho: you would be better, as i stated, to use the live iso
[19:47] <delt> (modified) m-audio oxygen 88 here, quite happy with it. been playing piano/keyboard for about 2 years now.
[19:47] <Velho> holstein, I'm preparing a dual Boot laptop, with Windows 7 and UbuntuStudio
[19:47] <holstein> sure. but, why?
[19:47] <holstein> why not just tyr it live for a while..
[19:47] <delt> i also have a cheap yamaha 61 key as second controller, works quite well too
[19:48] <holstein> anyways.. the way i did it was, i had linux only on a laptop. for over a year
[19:48] <holstein> i learned to use the OS.. so i wasnt troubleshooting so many things
[19:48] <Velho> holstein, because I already tried it live, and I want to do serious stuff with that
[19:48] <holstein> Velho: sure.. there is not more or less "serious" stuff..
[19:48] <holstein> Velho: you only have an installed version.. that is all
[19:49] <holstein> Velho: and, do install.. im not saying dont.. im just saying, you can learn a lot from the live iso
[19:49] <Velho> holstein, but is the live cd as fast as an installed version? I feel the installed version is always faster
[19:49] <holstein> sure. but, again.. is that a problem? is that the bottleneck?
[19:50] <Velho> holstein, but why play with the live cd when I can just install it? Plus, I can save all the configurations...
[19:50] <holstein> believe me, you'll want to install eventually... im just suggesting learning to set the edirol up with jack, for example, before running it natively
[19:50] <holstein> or installing it as a desktop and using it..
[19:51] <Velho> holstein, from what I've searched, Edirol FA-66 is not supported to linux
[19:51] <holstein> i mean, you didnt get windows7, and emmediately, without having years of experience with windows, try and start doing audio production
[19:51] <Velho> holstein, hmm, great point!
[19:51] <holstein> Velho: edirol doesnt support linux, sure.. but is it the USB or the firewire one?
[19:52] <holstein> the firewire one is "full support" on the ffado stie
[19:52] <Velho> holstein,  firewire. I've read somewere that several firewire devices have problems with linux
[19:52] <holstein> site*
[19:52] <holstein> and the usb one is "class compliant"
[19:52] <Velho> holstein, gonna check it right now!
[19:52] <holstein> what you are doing is, doing it like you do in windows
[19:52] <holstein> you are looking at the site, for drivers
[19:53] <holstein> in linux, the kernel *contains* the drivers.. basically
[19:53] <holstein> so, you set up jack to use the ffado "firewire" driver, and jack will "just work" with that device
[19:53] <holstein> you dont need to install anything extra..
[19:53] <holstein> now, you also need a supported firewire chipset.. which can be a problem
[19:54] <Velho> holstein, thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction! I can't believe that I get full supported drovers for Linux <3
[19:55] <holstein> well, YMMV
[19:55] <holstein> i have several firewire chipsets that im hoarding away
[19:55] <holstein> the typically more expensive "texas instruments" work great
[19:56] <Velho> holstein, let me get this straight: I can just plug the FA-66 and it will work , like the "plug and play" in windows?
[19:57] <delt> Velho: if a driver supports it, the kernel should load it automatically
[19:59] <wachin> Sorry I have a several problem, I install lxde packages and all fine, only clementine have small fonts
[19:59] <Velho> Thank you my friends for all the teachings and support! I need a power nap now. Thank you again for all the help! I'm really exited to make music with ubuntu! <3
[20:01] <wachin> I will try repair this with a command that I  found on internet, I am not remember but are to dpi from comman line, But now can't enter to my session, only guest
[20:02] <wachin> I put my password and can not enter to my session, nor the UbuntuStudio or LXDE
[20:03] <wachin> I can not enter my session only guest
[20:09] <delt> i've been trying out freebsd in a vm lately..... powerful OS for server applications
[20:09] <holstein> Velho: no.. in windows you'll need a driver, likely
[20:10] <delt> i had tried it out several years ago but it wasn't great... trying it out again now, and i'm pretty impressed
[20:10] <holstein> Velho: in linux, the driver is "baked in" basically
[20:10] <holstein> Velho: but, it depends on the chipset, and other variables..
[20:10] <holstein> wachin: i would go to tty,a nd see that your password is working
[20:11] <holstein> !tty
[20:11] <holstein> wachin: can you login in tty?
[20:11] <holstein> then, if you can, you'll want to get rid of your session errors.. i'll just remove ~/.config ..i'll just rename it, or move it
[20:12] <wachin> hi holstein
[20:12] <holstein> wachin: *dont* just run "random" commands from the internet.. "sudo" commands can break things..
[20:12] <wachin> ups
[20:12] <wachin> thanks, I go
[20:12] <holstein> go where? tty?
[20:13] <wachin> (the command I remember only in part that have: session, dpi, sudo)
[20:13] <wachin> (or xsession)
[20:13] <holstein> wachin: if the system is not broken, then you dont need to address the system with a sudo command
[20:14] <wachin> OK
[20:14] <holstein> wachin: i suggest determining what is wrong *before* running commands
[20:18] <wachin> Hi again holstein, I could enter the session of tty6 and put my user and password, working fine
[20:19] <holstein> wachin: sure.. so, you have this as fact.. you *can* login to your users account.. you *can* use the guest account GUI..
[20:19] <holstein> so, that means to me, the GUI, and main system are likely just fine.. and your user account is working fine
[20:20] <holstein> so, what would i do? start by renaming ~/.config ..reboot, and let that "respawn" fresh configs.. see if i can boot into my user as expected
[20:20] <wachin> my no, only can enter on tty6, this from this guest. But when session out, and go to enter to my default session can't enter
[20:20] <wachin> I will go to put ubuntustudio from live dvd to erase ./config
[20:20] <holstein> wachin: sure.. thats what im sahying
[20:21] <wachin> thanks for the help
[20:21] <holstein> wachin: you *can* login to your user. in tty.. so your user is fine
[20:21] <wachin> oh
[20:21] <holstein> wachin: you *can* login to the guest session GUI.. so the main system and gui are fine
[20:21] <holstein> wachin: the issue, as i see it, am implying, and saying, and suggesting a fix for, is in your users /home configs for the GUI
[20:22] <delt> wachin: no need to reboot, just move your .config directory from tty6 where you logged in
[20:22] <wachin> I tried but I returned again, the password is OK, but I am rejected
[20:22] <holstein> wachin: thats what i say "rename" and not remove.. so, you can easily revert this suggested change *if* its not the "Fix"
[20:22] <wachin> ok
[20:22] <holstein> wachin: sure.. we tested the password in TTY
[20:22] <holstein> wachin: so, your users password works in TTY.. and you *can* login, in tty
[20:22] <wachin> yes, only can enter in tty6
[20:23] <delt> wachin: you still have a shell logged in on tty6?
[20:23] <holstein> so, from there, you can rename the users config. or a live iso..
[20:23] <delt> go back to tty6 and just type "mv .config .config_"
[20:23] <wachin> ohhhhhhhh
[20:23] <holstein> might need ~/.config ..
[20:24] <wachin>  je je,
[20:24] <delt> then try to login again in the graphic system
[20:25] <wachin> je je, I am avanced user to the terminal, but I will go to use you steps
[20:25] <wachin> ups
[20:25] <holstein> wachin: not sure what you are saying, but, in the terminal, you can rename, or move the configs for the users.. ~/.config specificially
[20:25] <wachin> is: "I am not advanced user to terminal commands"
[20:26] <delt> just type in tty6: mv ~/.config ~/.config_
[20:28] <wachin> yes I did it right this time
[20:28] <delt> now try to login again in the graphic system.
[20:28] <wachin> whell I will go back
[20:28] <wachin> see you later
[20:29] <wachin> see you later holstein
[20:29] <delt> you're using irc on the guest account now?
[20:30] <wachin> yes
[20:30] <wachin> good by
[20:34] <delt> weird, software-center somehow got uninstalled from my desktop machine....
[20:34] <delt> apt-get'ing it now...
[20:34] <holstein> i know exactly where mine went ;)
[20:35] <delt> yeah, a few packages mysteriously vanished on this box....
[20:36] <delt> my brand new hard disk better not be bad...... >:(
[22:26] <studio-user626> hello
[22:27] <studio-user626> :)