[01:21] <derekv> the name of this channel is all out of order
[01:21] <derekv> should be, ubunut.mi.us
[01:21] <derekv> according to what my fingers want to type
[01:22] <derekv> because they remember a simpler time, when .mi.us was a relevent thingd
[01:43] <derekv> rick_h_: http://codepad.org/KMrrSNBS my zshrc history sharing thing doesn't work
[01:43] <derekv> zsh 5.0.2 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.0)
[01:44] <derekv> idk if there is anything obvious i'm doing wrong
[01:46] <jrwren> derekv: it used to be mi-us
[01:46] <jrwren> but the standard is least specific to most specific.
[01:46] <jrwren> so we renamed
[02:00] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:01] <cmaloney> Evening
[04:07] <derekv> I'm thinking about creating a meetup
[04:10] <derekv> actually I wonder if anyone would attend "Meetup! Haskell vs Lisp Deathmath! Fight!"
[05:01] <rick_h_> derekv: only thing is mine are all caps
[05:01] <rick_h_> derekv: not sure if that matters tbh
[05:01] <rick_h_> # share history across terminal sessions
[05:01] <rick_h_> setopt SHARE_HISTORY
[05:01] <rick_h_> setopt EXTENDED_HISTORY
[15:38] <rick_h_> morning
[18:56] <cmaloney> howdy


[16:52] <mgoetze> Keybuk: it seems like upstart on lucid brings up interfaces before udev has had a chance to rename them :(
[21:23] <notting> Keybuk: you mentioned at one point you avoid busy inodes by re-execing upstart on shutdown. yet you removed the handler that accomplished that :)
[21:23] <notting> how are you doing it now?
[21:36] <conda> im getting this error when trying to manually run an upstart job:
[21:36] <conda> start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.44" (uid=1000 pid=2632 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))


[09:48] <tomwardill> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/379201 is ready (rebased and resubmitted on master)
[09:49] <tomwardill> although I've not actually checked it with the buildd branch...
[09:52]  * tomwardill tries to work out how to do that
[11:46] <pappacena> Folks, I'll top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/379021, removing auditor (and django) from LP's code. Any objection?
[11:48] <tomwardill> dooooooo iiiiiiitttt
[11:49] <SpecialK|Canon> pappacena: no objection, but for the future, I'd personally love to see the kind of message you've got in the LP MP, in the commit message instead
[11:50] <SpecialK|Canon> oh though if it ends up in the merge commit I guess that works
[11:50] <SpecialK|Canon> (Mostly I'm thinking from a browsing-git perspective "ok this definitely removes auditor but _why_")
[11:53] <pappacena> I guess only the "Commit message" field from LP MP goes to the git history, and not the description. In fact, I'm adding way more details in the field that *doesn't* go to the git history today. I'll start putting more details in the "commit message" field.
[11:54] <SpecialK|Canon> Oops yes
[11:54] <SpecialK|Canon> That feels like a slightly odd distinction
[11:54] <SpecialK|Canon> I think it throws me slightly every time
[11:55] <SpecialK|Canon> But yes, thank you
[11:57]  * tomwardill attempts to work out how buildd-manager works
[11:58] <tomwardill> Idle!
[11:58] <tomwardill> woo
[12:02] <cjwatson> tomwardill: reviewed
[12:03] <tomwardill> cjwatson: ta. Will look after lunch
[12:04] <cjwatson> commit message: I've taken to including full details in the actual git commit messages that are part of the branch I'm pushing, and normally only the first line in the MP's commit message that ends up in the merge commit, as otherwise it gets pretty duplicative
[12:06] <SpecialK|Canon> Ah; I've found myself using `git log --merges` a lot in a few places, so really liked the duplication
[12:06] <SpecialK|Canon> (but that's a purely personal foible)
[15:35] <tomwardill> cjwatson: do you know of existing examples of TrialTestCase with pushConfig and similar LP test methods?
[15:41] <tomwardill> oh,. might just be able to lift the pushConfig method, I think that's the only one I need
[15:56] <cjwatson> tomwardill: MakeSnapBuildMixin.makeSnap does exactly this
[15:57] <tomwardill> ah, so it does
[15:57] <tomwardill> I was looking for instances of the `pushConfig` method
[16:01] <cjwatson> Could I ask for some py3-related reviews?
[16:01] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/lazr.restful/newer-grokcore-martian/+merge/379034 and https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/379036 are various dependency upgrades
[16:01] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/lazr.restful/py3-division/+merge/379205 is an easy bit of porting
[16:02] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378460 is a rather larger bit of porting; the top commit in that branch is very large and formulaic, but https://git.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/commit/?id=7e44f2849205ce68c9d6e2987874f3d7536c7429 is worth reviewing separately
[16:05] <tomwardill> cjwatson: how silly an idea would be to use the 'current' series of the distribution as the distro_series of an OCIRecipeBuild? (Ideally, I think just selecting the latest LTS would be a reasonable approach, but I can't figure out if that's possible)
[16:08] <cjwatson> (Are people generally getting MP review requests by email?  I feel people mostly don't look unless I explicitly ask)
[16:09] <cjwatson> tomwardill: It's not ideal because it usually won't be an LTS and because it couples OCI builds to a not-very-related piece of process.  It would be OK for a first pass to unblock you, as long as it has a great big XXX on it and we commit to figuring out something better soon
[16:10] <tomwardill> I get them by email, but I think I need to make my filter smarter to avoid them getting lost in the snapstore ones
[16:10] <cjwatson> Mm
[16:11] <tomwardill> I should also check that folder more often tbh
[16:12]  * tomwardill pokes at filter
[16:13] <cjwatson> Yeah - I dislike nagging too much and I figure my responsibility is more to review than to be reviewed, but at the same time I don't want things I do to be stalled
[16:13] <tomwardill> yeah, I'll fix my filter and make a point of checking it more often
[16:14] <cjwatson> Cool
[16:17] <tomwardill> well, I would, if I could make gmails UI behave
[16:31] <tomwardill> ooh, it works, and it even told me about your comment reply
[16:45] <tomwardill> cjwatson: that error handling change makes it much nicer
[16:46]  * tomwardill has run into that urlopen thing before
[16:47] <cjwatson> tomwardill: which change, sorry?
[16:47] <cjwatson> oh, in six-urllib?
[16:47] <tomwardill> https://git.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/commit/?id=7e44f2849205ce68c9d6e2987874f3d7536c7429
[16:48] <tomwardill> that is much nicer than parsing the length of args
[16:48] <cjwatson> Yeah, it looked less awful this way
[16:48] <cjwatson> requests would probably be better still, but one thing at a time
[16:48] <tomwardill> heh


[11:03] <matv1> hello I am probably missing the obvious but I cant figure out how to remove a .click app of mine from the Ubuntu store
[11:03] <matv1> or is that no longer possible?
[11:04] <matv1> if thats meant to work by using https://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/application-states
[11:05] <matv1> that gives me a 404
[11:11] <matv1> poppey ?
[11:12] <matv1> popey i meant
[11:23] <matv1> anyone?
[11:24] <matv1> mhall119 ?
[11:33] <popey> matv1: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/
[11:34] <matv1> sure but where is the remove option?
[11:35] <popey> not sure you can. you can make it private
[11:35] <popey> then nobody can see it
[11:36] <matv1> popey i saw that. yes. But I couldnt verify for sure that making it private covers all instances
[11:37] <matv1> i'd rather just remove it
[11:38] <popey> the store isn't architected to allow users to remove applications completely
[11:38] <popey> you need to contact a store admin to do that
[11:38] <popey> also, the broken link I reported here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/broken-link-in-the-store/1031
[11:38] <matv1> popey wow
[11:39] <popey> It has a rational argument
[11:39] <popey> but anyway, that's the answer I believe
[11:40] <matv1> I wont debate it ;) I prob wouldnt agree
[11:40] <luxpir> while I'm here still, and folks are around - anyone got any concrete 'next phone' plans?
[11:40] <matv1> okay thanks for your time
[11:40] <popey> luxpir: no plans
[11:40] <popey> np matv1
[11:41] <matv1> luxpir UBPorts obviously
[11:41] <luxpir> popey: likewise. while it's working in its current state I'm reasonably satisfied. ho hum.
[11:41] <luxpir> matv1: yeah I haven't looked into that at all. what can I expect? I'll open a search for it now...
[11:42] <luxpir> (correction, i did look at the homepage a few weeks back, but couldn't figure what the plan was)
[11:42] <luxpir> if it's security updates and improvements, I'll happily change repos or whatever needs doing.
[11:43] <luxpir> subbed to mailing list anyway.
[11:44] <matv1> The plan is to maintain and expand it. It's a heap of a task but they have enornmous momentum atm
[11:44] <luxpir> ooh it's based in Norway. nice. A place I quite like!
[11:44] <matv1> they just released an OTA1 2 days ago for all 'old' Canonical supported phones
[11:44] <luxpir> well momentum helps. lets see where they can take it. it's a great starting point.
[11:45] <mcphail> matv1: iirc, you can set your apps to "unpublished". That's what i did with mine, i think
[11:45] <matv1> mcphail that link is now dead as popey mentioned
[11:46] <luxpir> matv1: OK, I'll have a look into the pros and cons of switching over
[11:46] <mcphail> matv1: ah, ok
[11:48] <luxpir> nexus 5 might be a good shout for a new phone anyway, with UBports and copperhead available for it.
[11:49] <matv1> luxpir i have a nexus 5 running with ubports now
[11:49] <luxpir> much diff?
[11:49] <matv1> its fast actualy. well compared to most Ubuntu touch phones
[11:50] <luxpir> that's a start.
[11:50] <matv1> one glaring bug atm: video recording doesnt work. everything else is good
[11:50] <matv1> but i understand a fix is in the works
[11:50] <luxpir> wouldn't be critical for me. something to do with non-free codecs?
[11:51] <matv1> it's certainly related to codecs as i understand yeah
[11:51] <matv1> but i havnt looked closely
[11:52] <luxpir> sure. no biggy. thx for info.
[11:52] <matv1> if you have questions i would advise joining them on telegram https://t.me/ubports
[11:53] <matv1> their community management is oustanding i have to say
[11:54] <luxpir> forum looks great
[11:54] <matv1> yeah they are doing a great job
[11:56] <luxpir> decisions, decisions...
[11:56] <matv1> luxpir haha
[11:56] <matv1> gd luck
[20:15] <sebsebseb> Anyone around?  Yes yes Ubuntu Touch is nearly completly dead,  but not running a Ubports image yet.   On my MX 4  have encourated a weird issue yesterday/today,  that I am not sure how to solve, or what has caused it even.
[21:26] <nap> hi
[21:29] <sebsebseb> nap: hi


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <ESphynx> Hey guys... I can' t seem to get my app to go full screen with _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN... I always end up with the Unity panel and top menu bar? Any help/direction appreciated. Thanks!
[08:18] <ESphynx> (Unity)
[09:32] <ESphynx> override_redirect will just completely ignore FULLSCREEN, won't it?


[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:09] <YeOldHinnerk> Hi. SInce recently, I suddenly have issue with the network. My server can not even ping the DNS server (which is my router) anymore - and it could a day or so before. Don't really understand why. What to do? What can I check? The LAN settings seem all to be correct.
[11:10] <YeOldHinnerk> (and are unchanged from before)
[11:11] <YeOldHinnerk> The router doesn't seem to be the issue, it works fine for all other purposes.
[11:11] <YeOldHinnerk> I can still login via IPMI.
[11:16] <RoyK> YeOldHinnerk: ethtool <nameofnetworkdevice> will tell if the link is active
[11:17] <YeOldHinnerk> it even says "Link deteced"
[11:18] <YeOldHinnerk> I also checked with "nmcli device show eno1"
[11:18] <YeOldHinnerk> It all looks good.
[11:18] <YeOldHinnerk> but nslookup fails.
[11:19] <YeOldHinnerk> ";; connection timed out: no servers could be reached"
[11:20] <YeOldHinnerk> Did you mean something else the "link deteced" when you said "active"?
[11:34] <lordievader> Can you still ping the router?
[11:42] <YeOldHinnerk> I can from my laptop, not from my server.
[11:43] <lordievader> What does the server say?
[11:43] <YeOldHinnerk> I just clean eveything under /etc/NetworkManager and started out fresh, with everything set as it should to the best of my knowledge. Still doen't work.
[11:43] <YeOldHinnerk> I did restart the service of course.
[11:44] <lordievader> I do assume you ping the router by ip
[11:44] <YeOldHinnerk> ping <IP_ADDRESS> results in:
[11:45] <YeOldHinnerk> "Von <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=xx Zielhost nicht erreichbar"
[11:45] <YeOldHinnerk> where xx is the count of course.
[11:45] <YeOldHinnerk> Yes, by ip
[11:46] <YeOldHinnerk> nslookup fails as well.
[11:46] <YeOldHinnerk> (not surprising, since ping fails).
[11:46] <lordievader> Do you happen to have tcpdump installed on the server?
[11:46] <YeOldHinnerk> yes.
[11:47] <YeOldHinnerk> but never used it.
[11:47] <YeOldHinnerk> just check.
[11:47] <YeOldHinnerk> btw. I have to Lan adapters in my server.
[11:47] <lordievader> Do you see replies to ARP requests on your interface?
[11:47] <YeOldHinnerk> Yes.
[11:49] <lordievader> Interesting, so in your arp table (`sudo arp -n`) there is a mac address in the entry for your router?
[11:50] <YeOldHinnerk> well, the router is in there by ip, for mac it says (unvollständig) meaning "incomplete"
[11:51] <lordievader> Does your firewall drop arp?
[11:53] <YeOldHinnerk> No it doesn't and it certainly hasn't changed.
[11:54] <YeOldHinnerk> don'T really know how to read the arp request - but it seems odd to me that it says something like "who has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>".
[11:54] <YeOldHinnerk> Because <IP_ADDRESS> is the router / DNS.
[11:55] <YeOldHinnerk> So who is this request sent to?
[11:55] <YeOldHinnerk> seems a bit redundant to ask the guy by name for its name, so to say.
[11:56]  * ogra hands YeOldHinnerk https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI-Modell 😉
[11:56] <YeOldHinnerk> Yes, OSI, great.
[11:57] <ogra> (ARP operates on a lower layer .. names are not known there)
[11:57] <YeOldHinnerk> Ah.
[11:57] <lordievader> ARP is used to translate ip addresses (layer 3) to mac addresses (layer 2). ARP requests are broadcast to the lan. Your router should respond with, 'hi, here I am'. That way your server learns the mac-address of the router.
[11:57] <lordievader> YeOldHinnerk: But do you only see the outgoing ARP requests?
[11:58] <YeOldHinnerk> Yes, I see outgoing ARP requests.
[11:58] <ogra> have you wiggled the cable yet ? 😄
[11:59] <YeOldHinnerk> Yes :)
[11:59] <YeOldHinnerk> I really did.
[11:59] <YeOldHinnerk> What is interesting, in the arp I occasionaly see a "RT-AC88U" racing through, which is my router model.
[12:00] <YeOldHinnerk> If it was just sending into nowehere - how would it know that?
[12:02] <lordievader> <lordievader "YeOldHinnerk: But do you only se"> The hidden question here was, do you see replies?
[12:06] <YeOldHinnerk> I do not see any ARP replies. I guess I don't really understand what I'm seeing there. Just a sec.
[12:13] <YeOldHinnerk> Ok, so, what I see are ARP requests and also some lines which start either with STP or LLDP
[12:13] <lordievader> But no ARP replies?
[12:13] <YeOldHinnerk> LLDP contains the routers name.
[12:13] <YeOldHinnerk> no.
[12:14] <YeOldHinnerk> no arp replies.
[12:14] <lordievader> There is your problem.
[12:14] <YeOldHinnerk> ok. how to fix it?
[12:18] <lordievader> Erm, well the problem lies outside of the server (tcpdump listens before the firewall). So you need to figure out why the router does not reply to your arp requests. Are they not reaching the router, do the replies get dropped somewhere in the return path, etc.
[12:18] <YeOldHinnerk> If I look at nmcli device show eno2 it gives the correct DNS,  state is connected ,....
[12:18] <YeOldHinnerk> I really doubt it is the router, since that das worked before
[12:18] <YeOldHinnerk> has
[12:19] <YeOldHinnerk> I guess, I'll sign into the router and check the oppsite direction...
[12:19] <lordievader> You are clearly new to networking 😛
[12:23] <YeOldHinnerk> Never had any issues like that.
[12:23] <YeOldHinnerk> SO there was no need.
[12:57] <coreycb> jamespage: ceph is building now and on it's way to wallaby-updates
[12:57] <coreycb> successfully, that is
[12:57] <jamespage> great thanks coreycb
[13:27] <YeOldHinnerk> I have to admit that it is a bit confusing to read up to it. In particular since tools/services have changed. My understanding is, that netplan is the "network manager", not "NetworkManager", which is a bit confusing in itself. Anyway, for netplan, the config folder was empty for me, no *.yaml files. Also when I look up how to setup netplan, I find
[13:27] <YeOldHinnerk> quite different entries for renderer for example. I guess there's more than one way leading to rome, but still...
[15:07] <YeOldHinnerk> Ok, back with my networking issues on my unbuntu server (20.04).
[15:09] <YeOldHinnerk> I have messed quite a bit with it trying to fix it. I think it is time for a clean start. Can someone point me to a good guideline how to set it up? I found plenty, but they all differ in some details, so I don't really know which to use.
[15:11] <YeOldHinnerk> My server has two network adapters. I currently have access to my server via IPMI. Earler, we found that somehow no ARP replies are reaching the server - or the requests not even the router. Anyway, the server was seeing the router earlier this week. The only "change" since then (and before my rescue tries) was a power down...
[15:11] <YeOldHinnerk> As someone mentioned earlier, I'm certainly not an expert on networking.
[15:14] <lordievader> To respond to an earlier comment, netplan is a sort of frontend for other network configuration utilities, like systemd-networkd.
[15:15] <lordievader> Personally I don't like netplan. I typically use systemd-networkd or ifupdown on my servers.
[15:15] <YeOldHinnerk> ah, missed that comment
[15:21] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, removed *.yaml from /etc/netplan and did apply. Started systemd-networkd
[16:02] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: I can tell you, on a fresh install, netplan is not your issue. Removing it should only be based on some personal opinion
[16:03] <YeOldHinnerk> Well, it is not a fresh install. But I believe you, that netplan is not in itself the issue.
[16:03] <YeOldHinnerk> But I need to follow one single plan. I'm not sure which one that shloud be, netplan or whatever.
[16:04] <YeOldHinnerk> My gut feeling tells me, that I may have been messing up more when trying to fix the original issue, whih I still believe must have some simple cause.
[16:04] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: you should put your netplan config back so you can troubleshoot with a standard configuration
[16:05] <YeOldHinnerk> but there was no yaml file when I began. I only added it when trying to fix my issue.
[16:05] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: for now, can you just set 1 of the interfaces to dhcp?
[16:05] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: https://netplan.io/examples/#using-dhcp-and-static-addressing
[16:05] <YeOldHinnerk> using netplan or what tool?
[16:06] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: using netplan
[16:06] <YeOldHinnerk> will do, give me a moment.
[16:07] <YeOldHinnerk> do i need to switch off any other services first?
[16:08] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: what other services are running? What's this machine used for?
[16:08] <YeOldHinnerk> It is my private machine, currently only me is using it.
[16:09] <YeOldHinnerk> I was just lloking into systemd-networkd
[16:09] <YeOldHinnerk> what about NetworkManager?
[16:09] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: if it's not doing anything, then I would just wipe it and start over. It's going to be a LOT quicker than trying to diagnose whatever is wrong with it
[16:10] <YeOldHinnerk> ah, no. I have already setup nextcloud, minidlna and so on
[16:10] <YeOldHinnerk> all was working until a short time ago...
[16:10] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: I did ask you what services were running on it and what it was used for. You did not specify any services
[16:11] <YeOldHinnerk> Sorry, I thought you meant in this specific contect of networking.
[16:11] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: btw, ignore NetworkManager with Ubuntu server. It's not used
[16:12] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: what does your network look like? Any VLAN's? multiple subnets on the same physical network?
[16:13] <YeOldHinnerk> nope, really simple setup.
[16:13] <YeOldHinnerk> the server is connected via lan with the router.
[16:14] <YeOldHinnerk> no vlan, no multile subnets.
[16:14] <YeOldHinnerk> I just created the yaml file for dhcp.
[16:14] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: and the router is setup as a dhcp server? You have a laptop set to dhcp as well? The server should, in theory just get an ip address via dhcp from the router correct?
[16:14] <YeOldHinnerk> I also stopped NetworkManager.
[16:14] <YeOldHinnerk> Only the router serves as dhcp
[16:14] <YeOldHinnerk> The laptop I'm currently writing from is using that router as well, via wlan.
[16:14] <smoser> rbasak: how much do you care about things like this:
[16:14] <smoser>  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2ChM7NW7MJ/
[16:15] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: I don't understand why you have NetworkManager installed. Why/how was that installed and running?
[16:15] <smoser> ^ that is to say, 'git-ubuntu import dracut' fails.
[16:15] <YeOldHinnerk> I think that was the default. I don't think I changed that.
[16:16] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: NetworkManager (network-manager) is not installed in ubuntu server by default
[16:17] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: it's very possible this could be causing your issue, having multiple network tools managing the network
[16:18] <YeOldHinnerk> but NetworkManager is disabled now.
[16:18] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: try running sudo apt-get remove --dry-run --autoremove network-manager  # and take notice of what it wants to remove. See if any of your services you are running on it are in that list
[16:18] <YeOldHinnerk> I just applied the netplan dhcp settings
[16:19] <YeOldHinnerk> beware, currently the server has no internet connection. Anything that I remove can not easily be restored. Should I continue anyway?
[16:19] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: it should only be a dry-run and not actually do anything
[16:19] <YeOldHinnerk> right
[16:21] <YeOldHinnerk> autoremove can not be combined with dryrun :)
[16:21] <YeOldHinnerk> (or rather with other options)
[16:21] <leftyfb> ok, then leave it out
[16:21] <YeOldHinnerk> I need to take a break, unfortuneately.
[16:21] <leftyfb> leave out autoremove
[16:21] <YeOldHinnerk> Got some work to do. I'll be back in a little bit.
[16:22] <YeOldHinnerk> Thank you for helping!
[18:50] <rbasak> smoser: I care that no import fails :)
[18:50] <rbasak> Thank you for the report!
[19:20] <smoser> rbasak: ok, if i see failures like taht, what should i do?
[19:20] <smoser> and how far are we from the archive being git-ubuntu'd
[19:20] <smoser> ?
[19:24] <rbasak> smoser: bug report to https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer please. I made a note to file a bug for this one - your pastebin is enough.
[19:26] <rbasak> smoser: just need to fix up the patches-applied imports. That's the one major task remaining. Still a few months away in practice I think. In the meantime I have some branches landing for adopting rich history from any uploader, and making it easier/quicker for us to add packages to import. If you have any packages in particular you'd like maintained in git-ubuntu right now, we can add them.


[07:00] <Saviq> Mornin' o/
[07:27] <RAOF> ?
 "`dbus-run-session pytest...` makes..."  There *is* a DBus user session there. Stopping it actually makes it work with `mir_demo_server`, too. But at least it causes the same `/user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-17.scope is not a snap cgroup` for the snapped demo server ?.
[15:32] <sophie-w> Sync?
[15:32] <Saviq> But hey, putting `dbus-run-session in front of the app does help
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