[10:32] <happyaron> oubiwann:
[10:32] <happyaron> oubiwann: sorry, wrong nick
[10:54] <Vantrax> we will be getting started with the Asia-Oceania RMB Meeting in 5 min
[10:58] <zkriesse> hey vanhoof
[10:58] <zkriesse> argh..tab fail
[10:58] <zkriesse> i meant Vantrax
[10:59] <Vantrax> #startmeeting Asia-Oceania RMB meeting
[10:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:59. The chair is Vantrax.
[10:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:00] <humphreybc> herrow
[11:00] <Vantrax> Hi zkriesse
[11:00] <Vantrax> Summoning Asia-Oceania RMB, persia, fenris, elky, takdir, lifeless, freeflying, amachu
[11:00] <nisshh> hey all
[11:00]  * persia peers about
[11:00] <freeflying> Vantrax: hi
[11:00] <humphreybc> gidday persia
[11:00] <elky> Hai!
[11:00]  * zkriesse can vote now!
[11:00] <nisshh> hey elky
[11:00] <happyaron> hey lifeless_
[11:01] <Vantrax> sorry zkriesse not here you cant
[11:01] <Vantrax> only the board can vote
[11:01] <zkriesse> oh darnit..forgot..
[11:01] <zkriesse> wish i could
[11:01] <nisshh> zkriesse: lol
[11:01] <Destine> hi all
[11:01] <Vantrax> input is always welcome tho
[11:02] <pocoyo> Destine: you hi. :D
[11:02] <oneleaf> hi all
[11:02] <happyaron> oneleaf: hi
[11:02] <wzssyqa> oneleaf: hi
[11:02] <Vantrax> so im seeing freeflying elky persia and myself here, we have quorum
[11:02] <Destine> oneleaf, hi
[11:02] <Vantrax> Nasir Khan Saikat you here today?
[11:03] <Vantrax> ping nasirkhan
[11:03] <Vantrax> Ok, im going to remove him from the list, thats 4 in a row hes not been here
[11:03] <zkriesse> guess he's not worried about it anymore
[11:04] <Vantrax> Benjamin Humphrey
[11:04] <humphreybc> hi
[11:04] <Vantrax> hiya
[11:04]  * zkriesse is here to support Ben
[11:04] <humphreybc> how goes it?
[11:04] <Vantrax> [TOPIC] humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership
[11:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership
[11:04] <Vantrax> Give us your story:P
[11:04] <humphreybc> well
[11:04]  * thorwil proposes the crowd cheers for humphreybc and it's declared an obvious case!
[11:05] <humphreybc> lol
[11:05] <humphreybc> let's see
[11:05] <nisshh> heh
[11:05]  * nisshh loves storytime :)
[11:06] <Vantrax> thorwil, shhh, we have to go through the process:P
[11:06] <humphreybc> I started using Ubuntu at the beginning of last year, quickly got involved in the community, started my own project at the end of last year which turned into something rather huge, was sponsored and attended UDS in Brussels this past May, work heavily on several projects right now: Ubuntu Manual Project, OMG! Ubuntu!, Ayatana, Ayatana UX, work closely with the design team and a few other bits and pieces
[11:06] <humphreybc> and the rest is history?
[11:07] <Vantrax> pretty much
[11:07] <humphreybc> I have a wiki page
[11:07] <humphreybc> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/humphreybc
[11:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/humphreybc
[11:07] <humphreybc> :)
[11:07] <Vantrax> so, assuming you do get confirmed what are your next plans?
[11:07] <humphreybc> and I think I have some ridiculous amount of karma too
[11:07] <zkriesse> If I may say, humphreybc does an awesome job leading the manual project and he's a good friend who's willing to help and share his knowledge
[11:07] <nisshh> zkriesse: i think we get to that in a bit
[11:08] <humphreybc> well, we have some pretty awesome stuff planned for OMG! Ubuntu!, at UDS I hung out with the design team a lot and we're working on some new stuff to improve first use cases for Ubuntu in Maverick, or +1
[11:08] <humphreybc> Obviously UMP will continue on till eternity and we have a crapload of things happening there
[11:08] <humphreybc> there's this which should be fun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-support-and-learning-center
[11:08]  * Vantrax loves the support and learning center
[11:09] <humphreybc> And we need to get Ayatana UX back on track
[11:09] <Vantrax> Okies, who here wants to give a testimony for humphreybc
[11:09] <humphreybc> but yeah, basically: lots of stuff to do, not enough time. Although, that's fairly common in open source :P
[11:09]  * nisshh does
[11:09]  * zkriesse does
[11:09] <humphreybc> ah yes, Ryan!
[11:09] <Vantrax> go ahead
[11:09] <humphreybc> and Zach :)
[11:10] <nisshh> ok, me first
[11:10] <zkriesse> nisshh: ya got it first
[11:10] <nisshh> hehe
[11:10] <thorwil> humphreybc is incredible energetic, learns fast, listens and makes people get stuff done (besides getting stuff done himself)
[11:10] <humphreybc> Both of these chaps have done quite a bit of work in UMP which is cool
[11:10] <humphreybc> oh and of course we all know Thorsten
[11:10] <thorwil> :)
[11:10] <freeflying> humphreybc: Specification Tracking 34189
[11:10] <freeflying> its awesome
[11:11] <Vantrax> ok anyone not ready to vote?
[11:11] <nisshh> humphreybc, is a great guy to work with, he is always listening and alway willing to help you out. I really enjoy hanging out on IRC with him and hope there are some great times to come.
[11:11] <humphreybc> freeflying: haha
[11:11] <nisshh> lol
[11:11] <persia> humphreybc: So, you've come to our board before, and it's nice to see you back.  Is there anything specific that you think has changed between then and now, or just more volume of the same things?
[11:12] <zkriesse> Well let's see...ben is an awesome guy to work with, so glad he was willing to have me on the UMP...guess my wiki skills help somewhat but i've a lot to learn. Ben is willing to teach though and i'm glad he's around....
[11:12] <Vantrax> oohh nice question persia
[11:13] <humphreybc> persia: well, I think it's a tonne of new stuff, but in large volumes too. Last time I was here I think I certainly wasn't ready for membership, but since then I've started a couple of projects (which have been pretty successful thus far), been sponsored for a UDS, been mentioned in Mark's keynote(!) and of course picked up writing and podcasting for OMG! Ubuntu!
[11:13] <humphreybc> I've also got into design a lot more and am working with the design team in London on an almost daily basis, which is great.
[11:13] <thorwil> there's also a running website and a successfull release of the manual
[11:14] <jenkins> I would also say humphreybc is great, he has made sure there is a something for people to do, he is always open to new suggestions and willing to help.
[11:14] <humphreybc> thorwil: oh yeah, I think we've surpassed 100,000 downloads now or something
[11:14] <humphreybc> :)
[11:14] <jenkins> and quickshot
[11:14] <humphreybc> and I've been doing a bit more with my LoCo too
[11:14] <humphreybc> although, #ubuntu-nz is fairly quiet. I have been to an NZ python user group meeting though. Tim Penhey dragged me along
[11:14] <vish> yeah , go humphreybc!  :D
[11:14] <humphreybc> haha
[11:15] <Vantrax> humphreybc, involved in the Ubuntu stuff at Linux.conf.au?
[11:15] <humphreybc> Vantrax: nope, you'll have to tell me about it
[11:15] <Vantrax> yeah, was in wellington this year
[11:15] <humphreybc> ahh
[11:15] <Vantrax> brisbane next year:P
[11:16] <humphreybc> Hmm
[11:16] <humphreybc> I could save up..
[11:16] <Vantrax> okies anyone not ready to vote?
[11:16]  * humphreybc is still a poor student
[11:16]  * zkriesse would if he could
[11:16] <Vantrax> you should, its one of the top linux conferences in the world
[11:16]  * nisshh might get there
[11:16] <Vantrax> anyway, that is something to talk about later
[11:16] <humphreybc> at least nisshh lives in Australia
[11:16] <nisshh> :)
[11:16] <humphreybc> Although on on the wrong side
[11:16] <nisshh> west coast yea
[11:16] <humphreybc> Vantrax: yeah, I'll chase you up on details
[11:17]  * humphreybc makes a post it note
[11:17] <ball> Presumably only existing members have a valid vote?
[11:17] <Vantrax> [VOTE] humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership (Board member votes only please)
[11:17] <MootBot> Please vote on:  humphreybc for Ubuntu Membership (Board member votes only please).
[11:17] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:17] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:17] <Vantrax> +1
[11:17] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:17] <freeflying> +1
[11:17] <MootBot> +1 received from freeflying. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:18] <Vantrax> humphreybc, do that, been meaning to chase you up and help you out with your projects too
[11:18] <humphreybc> :)
[11:18] <elky> +1
[11:18] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:18] <Vantrax> poke persia
[11:18] <persia> +1
[11:18] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[11:18] <zkriesse> Vantrax: when this is done open a pm with me plz if yo don't mind
[11:19] <Vantrax> [endvote]
[11:19] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[11:19] <Vantrax> Well done humphreybc
[11:19] <zkriesse> CONGRATS humphreybc!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:19] <humphreybc> hooray :)
[11:19] <nisshh> wooooo!
[11:19] <Vantrax> ill tee you up shortly with your access
[11:19] <happyaron> humphreybc: congrats!
[11:19] <thorwil> congrats humphreybc
[11:19] <humphreybc> Now I can finally spam the planet with Ubuntu Manual posts? ;)
[11:19] <jenkins> congrats humphreybc
[11:19] <humphreybc> cheers fellas
[11:19] <Vantrax> yes humphreybc
[11:19] <humphreybc> Thanks for coming along for support!
[11:19] <elky> o.O
[11:19] <nisshh> np :)
[11:20] <Vantrax> now, for the board, we had a late addition to the list, want to go ahead and do it anyway, we have the time
[11:21]  * e-jat sorry for the delay joining the meeting
[11:21] <Vantrax> thats ok fenris
[11:21] <e-jat> congrate humphreybc
[11:21] <humphreybc> Thankyou e-jat!
[11:21] <wzssyqa> humphreybc: congrate
[11:21] <zkriesse> oneleaf: ping
[11:21] <humphreybc> :)
[11:22] <vish> oh noes! humphreybc is gonna be on the planet ubuntu ;p
[11:22] <oneleaf> zkriesse: pong
[11:22] <happyaron> next candidate should be oneleaf, right?
[11:22] <freeflying> happyaron: yes
[11:22] <happyaron> freeflying: thx
[11:22] <Vantrax> happyaron, usually they have to add themselves before the meeting:P
[11:22] <zkriesse> oneleaf: you listed yourself for requesting ubuntu membership...albiet quite late but nevertheless you have done so
[11:22] <e-jat> so continue with oneleaf ?
[11:22] <Vantrax> long as you are all happy to
[11:23] <oneleaf> ok
[11:23] <Vantrax> usually the board likes to be able to preread everything
[11:23] <elky> I really hope this doesn't set a trend of people doing this.
[11:23] <Vantrax> and have questions
[11:23] <oneleaf> thx
[11:23] <zkriesse> elky: agreed
[11:23] <Vantrax> it makes things much more difficult for us if there are last minute additions which is why im asking the board if they want to process this application this meeting
[11:24] <oneleaf> sorry for doing so
[11:24] <Vantrax> thats ok, oneleaf
[11:25] <e-jat> ouch .. a lot of testi .. :)
[11:25] <Vantrax> we should probably update the wiki and make it more clear
[11:25] <happyaron> Vantrax: kind you, :)
[11:25] <happyaron> yeah
[11:25] <Destine> Vantrax, thx really
[11:25] <wzssyqa> Vantrax: thx
[11:25] <zkriesse> Vantrax: I can grab that if you wish
[11:25] <oneleaf> thank you.
[11:25] <humphreybc> bold works quite well
[11:26] <Vantrax> okies, lets go ahead and do this
[11:26] <Vantrax> [Topic] Oneleaf for Ubuntu membership
[11:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneleaf for Ubuntu membership
[11:26] <Vantrax> go ahead and tell us about your contribution
[11:26] <oneleaf> I am in charge of the routine work and maintaining of ubuntu.org.cn.
[11:26] <oneleaf> also, I do administration in the entire china loco team.
[11:26] <oneleaf> I maintained a online shop on www.taobao.com , it's http://shop33760196.taobao.com/
[11:26] <oneleaf> My company does business in E-government, and we have promoted ubuntu server to the local goverment. and we would like to promote enterprise cloud to the related government departments. The local government has adopted the Ubuntu server technology we suggested and everything is currently going smoothly. we had cooperated with Oracle and we recommended ubuntu to more than 300 enterprises.
[11:27] <oneleaf> My company site is http://www.bsw.com.cn/
[11:27] <oneleaf> i created the ubuntu.org.cn site.
[11:28] <wzssyqa> Great Ubuntu and great ubuntu.org.cn
[11:29] <e-jat> oneleaf: how about the desktop .. did the government adopted it also ?
[11:29] <oneleaf> wiki.ubuntu.org.cn
[11:29] <freeflying> e-jat: thats a good question, if you have interesting, we can talk a little bit more on this later
[11:30] <oneleaf> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oneleaf
[11:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oneleaf
[11:30] <e-jat> freeflying: my pleasure ..
[11:30] <happyaron> :)
[11:30] <zkriesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oneleaf
[11:31] <persia> oneleaf: You've been active in Ubuntu for quite a while now.  What made you decide to apply for membership now?
[11:33] <oneleaf> i thought i was not qualified yet, and i want to contribute more.
[11:33] <Vantrax> that is never a bad thing
[11:34] <happyaron> oneleaf is a modest person as far as I know in daily life
[11:34] <wzssyqa> when somebody need help,he will be activity
[11:35] <Destine> he will be very helpful and he is willing to help
[11:35] <Vantrax> okies, anyone have more questions?
[11:37] <Vantrax> [VOTE] oneleaf for Ubuntu Membership
[11:37] <MootBot> Please vote on:  oneleaf for Ubuntu Membership.
[11:37] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:37] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:37] <persia> +1
[11:37] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:37] <elky> +1
[11:37] <Vantrax> +1 from me, love the loco involvement and the work your doing in china
[11:37] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:37] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:37] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 4 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[11:37] <freeflying> +1
[11:37] <MootBot> +1 received from freeflying. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[11:38] <Vantrax> [endvote]
[11:38] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[11:38] <Vantrax> grats oneleaf
[11:38] <happyaron> oneleaf: well done!
[11:38] <zkriesse> congrats dude!
[11:38] <Vantrax> ill process you shortly too:P
[11:38] <oneleaf> thank you all
[11:38] <tenzu> oneleaf: congratulations!
[11:38] <pocoyo> oneleaf: 善~
[11:38] <Destine> oneleaf, congrats
[11:39] <Vantrax> Id also like to thank persia for consistently contribution great well researched questions
[11:39] <Vantrax> unless there is any other matters, ill close the meeting off
[11:39]  * persia credits memory rather than research :)
[11:40] <e-jat> aarrhh .. i miss a gain .. btw congrate oneleaf
[11:41] <Vantrax> #endmeeting
[11:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:41.
[11:41] <Vantrax> thanks for coming all, next none in two weeks, same time
[11:58] <takdir> hi Vantrax, elky persia freeflying,  sorry i'm late to Asia-Oceania RMB Meeting :(
[11:59] <Vantrax> takdir, thats ok we finished early
[13:57]  * persia peers about
[13:58] <dyfet> true almost time
[13:58]  * davidm sees persia peering about and wonders why persia is peering about
[13:59] <jykae> FYI, my blog just started http://jykae.blogspot.com/
[13:59] <ogra> dyfet, there wasnt a mail ?
[13:59] <dyfet> There wasn't??
[13:59] <ogra> on the mobile list
[14:00] <dyfet> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is dyfet.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <GrueMaster> morning
[14:00] <dyfet> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100706
[14:00] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100706
[14:00] <dyfet> ping: persia GrueMaster davidm ogra NCommander rsalveti
[14:00] <dyfet> [topic] Action Item Review
[14:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[14:01] <ogra> dyfet, agenda misses a c/o item for persia and me
[14:01] <persia> Why?
[14:01] <dyfet> It does?
[14:01] <davidm> G'day all
[14:01]  * persia thought it was dropped as c/o as done.
[14:02] <ogra> persia, was it ?
[14:02] <ogra> oh, ok
[14:02] <dyfet> okay....
[14:02] <ogra> i know you are working on it anyway
[14:02] <lag> o/
[14:02] <dyfet> The first action item I had was actually to introduce ricardo
[14:03] <rsalveti> \o/
[14:03] <dyfet> [topic] Introduction of rsalveti
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Introduction of rsalveti
[14:03] <lag> Hi Ricardo :)
[14:03] <dyfet> Maybe davidm would like to do this?
[14:03] <rsalveti> lag: hi :-)
[14:04] <davidm> rsalveti, can introduce himself if he likes
[14:04] <davidm> welcome aboard rsalveti
[14:04] <rsalveti> yeah, I can talk a little about myself
[14:05] <dyfet> okay :)
[14:05] <rsalveti> nice to be part of this team :-)
[14:05] <dyfet> And welcome to the team also!
[14:05] <rsalveti> so, I just started yesterday, without doing much work actually, just setting up email, irc and reading the wiki :-)
[14:06] <ogra> slacker !!!
[14:06] <ogra> j/k
[14:06] <rsalveti> previously I've been working with arm and debian based os on work and personally
[14:06] <rsalveti> lately I've been working closely with ST-E, with the new boards they have, the U8500
[14:07] <rsalveti> hacking maemo on it, accelerating the Xserver and some other base system customization
[14:07] <rsalveti> now I'm returning back to omap :-)
[14:07] <rsalveti> I just have on beagleboard b5 in hands, so can't do much work related with maverick, but I can try :-)
[14:08] <ogra> rsalveti, we have a porter box in the datacenter and a PPA for testbuilds
[14:08] <ogra> so you have access to some HW for the start at least
[14:08] <rsalveti> and I'm based on brazil, but that's not that nice to say anymore, as we're out the world cup already :-)
[14:09] <dyfet> Okay :)
[14:09] <rsalveti> ogra: yeah, I saw that
[14:09] <rsalveti> nice, can do some builds there, if needed
[14:09] <ogra> rsalveti, germany will substitute for brazil :)
[14:09] <ogra> no worries :)
[14:09] <NCommander> (here' sorry, late)
[14:09] <rsalveti> ogra: haha, yeah :-)
[14:09] <GrueMaster> Thpppppt!
[14:09] <dyfet> I do not think we had any other action items before standing items...and I see NCommander made it :)
[14:10] <dyfet> NCommander: if you want, we can cover any akedemy news during the ftbfs status?
[14:10] <NCommander> the internt here chose a great time to gave out. I'm on UMTS at the moment
[14:10] <NCommander> dyfet: sure
[14:10] <rsalveti> but that's most of it, glad I can meet everyone in prague soon :-)
[14:10] <NCommander> but don't wait for me, I might drop off again (yay flakely internet)
[14:11] <dyfet> Then maybe we should do so now...
[14:11] <dyfet> [topic] Akademy report from NCommander
[14:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Akademy report from NCommander
[14:11] <NCommander> So as some of uknow, I'm currently in Tampere, Finland, attending Akademy 2010
[14:12] <NCommander> I've been having discussions on how we can improve the state of KDE on ARM (with the big one being this afternoon), as well as seeing presentations from Nokia on MeeGo (and learning enough about it to be interested)
[14:12] <NCommander> I've also see KDE's work on moving into the mobile stack and becoming a desktop environment suitable for both the traidtional desktpo, netbooks, and mobile devices.
[14:12]  * NCommander kicks his keyboard for that earlier typo
[14:13] <dyfet> Do we have any news on upstream issues?
[14:14] <NCommander> KDE FTBFS? Not really, expect for the fact they exist. Still on my TODO list, but will be dealt with in tonights ession
[14:14] <dyfet> NCommander: okay :)
[14:14] <NCommander> Riddell ran a good session on what Kubuntu brings to KDE< and its current shortcomings and such
[14:14] <ogra> NCommander, i think dyfet meant the QT upsteam issues
[14:14] <ogra> that were discussed last time between you and asac
[14:15] <NCommander> ogra: I'm scheldued to have dinner with a Nokia representive on this topic
[14:15]  * ogra knows there was mail exchange initiated
[14:15] <NCommander> The conversation hasn't taken place yet
[14:15] <ogra> k
[14:15] <NCommander> so "Watch This Spot" :-)
[14:15] <dyfet> [topic] Standing Items
[14:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[14:15] <dyfet> [link]http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:15] <dyfet> [link]http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-3.html
[14:15] <MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:15] <MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-3.html
[14:16] <dyfet> I hope that was the right link...
[14:16] <ogra> yeah, both are
[14:16] <ogra> A3 looks very bad
[14:16] <dyfet> yea it does
[14:16] <ogra> dyfet, note that for the edid thing, only omap3 is relevant
[14:17] <ogra> omap4 does EDID detection in-kernel (more or less successful)
[14:17] <dyfet> and some are mine...
[14:17] <ogra> njpatel, do you know anything about the upanel status for armel 2D sessions ?
[14:18] <dyfet> last week I was focused too much on ftbfs and related things...
[14:18]  * ogra knows he shuld rather ping ted but he isnt around atm
[14:18] <njpatel> ogra, nope, I thought you guys were working on it?
[14:18] <njpatel> (with ted's help)
[14:18] <ogra> njpatel, no ?
[14:19] <ogra> njpatel, ted was supposed to giv me some initial upstream code i can start from
[14:19] <njpatel> okay, I see
[14:19]  * ogra will discuss that offline though
[14:19] <njpatel> also, I think I have a bug to fix too
[14:19] <njpatel> okay
[14:19] <dyfet> okay also
[14:19] <ogra> njpatel, for ?
[14:19] <njpatel> structs to make it behave like a panel
[14:19] <NCommander> A large part of my work items are quick, but hinge on cjwatson. I plan to knock out sunarch detection fully during Prague
[14:19] <ogra> njpatel, ah, i wish we had a panel yet :)
[14:20] <NCommander> er
[14:20] <NCommander> wait
[14:20] <ogra> but lets talk about it when ted is around
[14:20] <NCommander> what happened to my blueprint!
[14:20] <ogra> NCommander, target set properly?
[14:20] <njpatel> k :)
[14:20] <NCommander> ogra: it should be.
[14:20] <ogra> NCommander, Milestone Target: None
[14:21] <dyfet> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier)
[14:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier)
[14:21] <NCommander> ogra: ugh, can you fix that? LP is very slow over UMTS
[14:21] <ogra> NCommander, and softbootloader is at ubuntu-10.10
[14:21] <dyfet> neither are here, are they? :)
[14:22] <ogra> NCommander, do you think softbootloader makes sense at all since we're using u-boot across the board atm ?
[14:22] <ogra> dyfet, you are to fast
[14:22] <NCommander> ogra: u-boot still is lacking many features we want, and doesn't properly separate first and second stage bootloading
[14:22] <ogra> NCommander, i think davidm has to set the target milestone
[14:22] <NCommander> ^- davidm
[14:23] <ogra> NCommander, but u-boot is already very slow, adding the softbootloader will add additional latency, no ?
[14:23] <NCommander> ogra: I'm not super concerned that we need it, its more that it would be "it would be nice"
[14:23] <NCommander> ogra: not really. unlike u-boot, the linux kernels drivers are usually optimized, and softbootloader can replace u-boot on most platforms
[14:23] <ogra> how do you load linux ?
[14:24] <ogra> you still need u-boot first
[14:24] <NCommander> ogra: tiny ASM stub that sets up ATAGS and jumps to a kernel address in flash
[14:24] <ogra> unless the spec changed a lot lately
[14:24] <NCommander> CENSORED did this on several of their boards.
[14:24] <NCommander> this was discussed at UDS, and I put it in the wiki
[14:24] <NCommander> I might not have updated the LP summary htough
[14:24] <ogra> k
[14:25] <NCommander> ogra: this is a project that probably should go over to Linaro, but it got pushed back to us/me
[14:25] <ogra> i dont see any implementation plan for that though
[14:25] <ogra> i agree that linaro should take it
[14:25] <davidm> I think softbootloader is a lower priority since we don't have to have it and there are other things we do need this cycle.
[14:25] <dyfet> then we don't need to add an action item/task for it?
[14:26] <ogra> though i know they are working on a unified u-boot that might give us all we want
[14:26] <NCommander> ogra: we shall see.
[14:26]  * ogra would drop it from the maverick targets
[14:27] <ogra> i really expect that we'll still have lots of issues with omap4 for which we need all manpower we can put together
[14:27] <rsalveti> yeah, probably
[14:27]  * ogra sees lots of errors and also oopses booting the omap4 images on his panda
[14:28] <davidm> ogra, I think I agree with you to drop it as a target
[14:28] <NCommander> ogra: that works for me, but we should still keep improved subarch detection
[14:28] <ogra> we should look over the other items too and drop what we can for A3
[14:29] <ogra> i.e. the medium item that shows up on the tracker atm
[14:30] <dyfet> [action] review a3 work items
[14:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  review a3 work items
[14:30] <ogra> though its 1 month we have until A3
[14:30] <ogra> and we have rsalveti now :)
[14:30] <rsalveti> \o/
[14:31] <ogra> rsalveti, would you have interest in taking over rootstock ? that doesnt require any HW
[14:31] <dyfet> Do we want to jump to qa status?
[14:31] <ogra> dyfet, could we go by topic ?
[14:31] <rsalveti> ogra: yeah, if it still target for a3, then yes I can take it
[14:31] <ogra> rsalveti, well, mainly its merging all the patches and looking into the bugs that are currently on LP
[14:32] <rsalveti> ogra: sure :-)
[14:32] <ogra> i didnt have any time to take care for rootstock at all in maverick yet
[14:32] <rsalveti> I kind of used with rootstock code already, will see what I can do with it
[14:32] <ogra> there are also the items for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-image-builds-without-root but forst of all rootstock needs some bug love
[14:32] <ogra> right, thats what i thought
[14:33] <ogra> until you have HW thats probably a good task
[14:33] <rsalveti> nice, so I'll take it
[14:33] <ogra> thanks !
[14:33] <rsalveti> np :-)
[14:33] <ogra> so kernel status ...
[14:33] <ogra> lag, anything to report ?
[14:34] <dyfet> since we called the topic early...:)
[14:34]  * ogra just talked to tgardner, we'll get an omap4 upload soon with lots of TI fixes
[14:35] <ogra> dyfet, lag should be in the kernel team reporter list on the agenda btw
[14:35] <lag> Nope
[14:35] <ogra> since he is in a TZ thats most likely to be around when we have the meeting
[14:35] <lag> Unless you want to know what I am doing?
[14:35] <dyfet> orga: ok...
[14:35] <ogra> well, i know what you're doing :)
[14:35] <lag> ogra: Its 2am here
[14:35] <ogra> lag, huh ?
[14:35] <lag> ;)
[14:35] <ogra> did the uk move recently ?
[14:36] <lag> Comet?
[14:36] <ogra> ashamed of the world cup you moved out of europe ?
[14:36] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[14:36] <ogra> hiding behind AUS :)
[14:36] <lag> Oh yes, they're much better
[14:37] <ogra> heh
[14:37] <lag> Luckily, I hate football :)
[14:37] <dyfet> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:37] <lag> And expect us to lose
[14:37] <GrueMaster> New board received.  Need to get more info on getting it working.  Nothing on serial port after loading kernel, even with console=ttyS0,115200 added to boot cmd.  Nothing on DVI monitor.
[14:37] <GrueMaster> Will work on offline.
[14:37] <ogra> GrueMaster, no DVI support
[14:37] <ogra> you need to use HDMI
[14:37] <ogra> (i told you before :) )
[14:38] <ogra> plain HDMI, no adapters allowed
[14:38] <GrueMaster> Filed lots of bugs late last week on omap3.
[14:38] <ogra> GrueMaster, also the 20100706.1 images should be ok to boot now
[14:38] <ogra> i fixed a bunch of issues today
[14:39] <dyfet> Anything else on qa?
[14:39] <GrueMaster> not really unless we want a rundown of each bug.
[14:39] <ogra> GrueMaster, also https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-July/011491.html for the uncompressing kernel issue
[14:39] <ogra> GrueMaster, it just hides that message
[14:39] <dyfet> no ;)
[14:40] <ogra> GrueMaster, but boots fine
[14:40] <ogra> dyfet, move :)
[14:40] <dyfet> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:40] <NCommander> Nothing to report
[14:40] <ogra> the list grew a bit
[14:40] <dyfet> Well, I did a lot of ftbfs, but avoiding the kde/qt blocked ones, so they were non-critical packages
[14:41] <ogra> directfb, eucalyptus, not sure what jetty is ... subversion ...
[14:41] <ogra> openjdk is also there and breaking oo.o builds
[14:42] <dyfet> I also did not touch the openjdk one, which is what blocks eucalpytus and oo, yes...
[14:42] <ogra> thats a critical one
[14:42] <ogra> seems that ca-certificates calls keytool, which is a java app ... and which segfaults
[14:42] <ogra> keytool comes from the former java build
[14:43] <ogra> so that needs tinkering with lamont
[14:43] <ogra> someone has to provide a working keytool to him so it can be installed manually to fulfill the build dependency
[14:44] <dyfet> Seems time to learn java runtime ;)
[14:44] <ogra> dyfet, can you take care for that, i know doko doesnt have the time to care for openjdk for us this time
[14:44] <ogra> dyfet, also talk to hrw, he did testbuilds of it already (which intrestingly succeeded)
[14:44] <dyfet> ogra: okay, and lets have that as an action item for next week
[14:44] <ogra> might be a skew between beagle and babbage
[14:45] <dyfet> [action] openjdk status (dyfet)
[14:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  openjdk status (dyfet)
[14:45] <ogra> hrw built it on a beagle, so a test on babbage would be a good point to start
[14:45] <dyfet> Good, I will ask him to start with
[14:46] <dyfet> I think that covers ftbfs issues...
[14:46] <ogra> go ahead
[14:46] <dyfet> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:47]  * ogra looks at NCommander ...
[14:47] <ogra> tell us
[14:47] <ogra> *g*
[14:47] <ogra> indeed i'm kidding :)
[14:47] <NCommander> OMAP3 preinstalled images exist, and work. OMAp4 images now exist
[14:47] <ogra> we have omap4 dailies since yesterday
[14:47] <NCommander> and at least boot, although ogra was reporting issues with oem-config
[14:47] <ogra> its not oem-config
[14:47] <NCommander> ogra: oh, it was X?
[14:47] <ogra> the panda just grinds to a halt at some point
[14:48] <NCommander> ogra: ow.
[14:48] <ogra> it was X because we didnt set mem=463M on the initial cmdline
[14:48] <ogra> with that fixed it boots into oem-config
[14:48] <NCommander> ogra: blaze has done the same for me when I tried it earlier :-/
[14:48] <ogra> which works or works not, based on the halts
[14:48] <ogra> no oopses or anything in the logs sadly
[14:49] <ogra> tim just uploaded a new omap4 kernel which i hope to fix such issues
[14:49] <ogra> i suspect the MMC driver to be at fault here
[14:49] <ogra> since whats in ram seems to work, i have a fully installed pandaboard atm ... it works for a while but then doesnt move for stuff that has to come from MMC
[14:50] <ogra> i havent tested omap3 images since A2
[14:50] <ogra> ...
[14:50] <ogra> thats all for image status
[14:50] <dyfet> [topic] Any Other Business
[14:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[14:51] <GrueMaster> I was going to add we still need md5sums & manifests for the daily images.
[14:51] <NCommander> dyfet: please action item me on that
[14:51] <NCommander> (it might not get done however until Prague)
[14:51] <dyfet> [action] md5sums and manifests for daily images (NCommander)
[14:51] <MootBot> ACTION received:  md5sums and manifests for daily images (NCommander)
[14:52] <ogra> we have bugs for that
[14:52] <ogra> no need for an action
[14:52] <ogra> hmm
[14:52] <ogra> not for the manifest ... but for md5sums
[14:52]  * ogra assignst it to NCommander
[14:52] <dyfet> hmm...he did ask...
[14:52] <NCommander> ogra: manifest needs livecd-rootfs changes to be generated with preinstalled images.
[14:53] <NCommander> (serious headache)
[14:53] <ogra> i think we have then
[14:53]  * ogra will check that
[14:53] <dyfet> okay...any other business...?
[14:53] <ogra> yeah
[14:53] <NCommander> ogra: we're also missing list if we want to be technical. Also on my list to reimplement
[14:53] <ogra> NCommander, manifest is generated
[14:54] <ogra> just pull it from the livefs builder
[14:54] <ogra> NCommander, and bug 600261 is yours now
[14:55] <NCommander> _\o/_ :-P
[14:55] <ogra> gah, i cant targets that to a release or milestone
[14:55] <ogra> NCommander, imagine its targeted to A3 :)
[14:55] <NCommander> ogra: I left my imagination in the United States
[14:55] <ogra> mail address ?
[14:56] <ogra> i'll send a letter :)
[14:56] <NCommander> :-P
[14:56] <ogra> anyway, seems thats it for AOB
[14:56] <dyfet> we are close to time, last call for any other items...
[14:56] <ogra> or not ?
[14:56] <dyfet> going...
[14:57] <dyfet> going...
[14:58] <dyfet> gone
[14:58] <dyfet> #endmeeting
[14:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:58.
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi
[16:00] <soren> o/
[16:00] <geser> o/
[16:01] <cjwatson> cody-somerville,persia: around?
[16:01] <cody-somerville> I'm around.
[16:01] <persia> mostly
[16:01] <cjwatson> stgraber sent his apologies by mail
[16:01] <cjwatson> no sign of nixternal?
[16:03] <cjwatson> ok, well, we can run with 5
[16:03] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Review of action items
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of action items
[16:03] <cjwatson> persia to publish the minutes for the DMB meeting 2010-05-25
[16:03] <persia> Not done
[16:03] <cjwatson> [ACTION] persia to publish the minutes for the DMB meeting 2010-05-25
[16:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to publish the minutes for the DMB meeting 2010-05-25
[16:03] <cjwatson> cjwatson to create ubuntu-kernel-uploaders team owned by the DMB that will provide upload permissions to Ubuntu kernel packages
[16:03] <cjwatson> done
[16:03] <cjwatson> cjwatson to create a zope packageset incorporating the Zope, Zope Community, and Python Packaging sections, and a schooltool packageset for the SchoolTool section
[16:03] <Rhonda> Ah, just in time for startmeeting. :)  Sorry for being late, my X11 did trouble me - will have to file that bugreport finally. ;)
[16:04] <cjwatson> done insofar as currently possible due to availability of packages in the archive; sent mail
[16:04] <cjwatson> Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first
[16:04] <cody-somerville> Not done. Will do that today or tomorrow.
[16:05] <cjwatson> [ACTION] Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first
[16:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Cody to write an e-mail to the list concerning the layout/format of the DMB meeting - membership first
[16:05] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Administrative Matters
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Administrative Matters
[16:06] <cjwatson> there are a couple of things on the list, but in the spirit of Cody's action let's leave them 'til the end
[16:06] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] core-dev application: Robert Ancell
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  core-dev application: Robert Ancell
[16:06] <cjwatson> Robert is in an inconvenient timezone for our meetings, but has been waiting a while; can we consider him anyway?
[16:07] <cjwatson> in absentia
[16:08] <cody-somerville> I don't object to it.
[16:09] <cjwatson> I've certainly been seeing substantial volume of uploads from Robert which in my view is appropriate to the level we'd expect from core-dev applicants
[16:10] <persia> I'm not sure I understand the rationale for the core-dev application, and I don't see a lot of cross-flavour work (not negative, but missing positive points)
[16:10] <cody-somerville> I agree. I sometimes have found that Robert should have taken a bit more care with a few things (and I see this echoed in his endorsements on the wiki).
[16:11] <cjwatson> my impression is that it's for things like glib, gtk, and other such things
[16:11] <persia> Quite likely, indeed.
[16:11] <cjwatson> I agree that some of Robert's endorsements note the need for extra care; on the other hand those very endorsements also say that they trust him
[16:13] <cody-somerville> I also didn't much care for some of his changes to gcalctool last cycle but oh well, lol.
[16:13] <cjwatson> [admin: I plan to allow this to run up to :20 if necessary]
[16:13] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: I don't have the background; do you believe it's relevant to the application, and if so can you go into more detail?
[16:15] <cody-somerville> They were upstream changes (as he is the upstream maintainer) so probably not relevant as they were not packaging changes.
[16:15] <cody-somerville> As long as he doesn't try making random usability improvements to packages, I think we're good.
[16:16] <cjwatson> most of Robert's changes certainly are desktop in *character*, although as we know the ubuntu-desktop package set often misses a good deal of stuff that's sufficiently embedded in the dependency web to be considered core, right now
[16:16] <cjwatson> for example nautilus is core, though I should perhaps add that to the exception list
[16:17] <cjwatson> does anyone have further questions or comments before we move to a vote?
[16:17] <persia> As much as I don't want to make it annoying for applicants, if we're approving people for core because we're deferring detangling, that seems unfotunate: if someone is suitable as core-dev, they ought be suitable for core-dev specifically, separate from the packagesets.
[16:18] <cjwatson> well, there are two aspects: motivation and suitability
[16:18] <persia> Right.
[16:18] <cjwatson> Robert's motivation is likely to be influenced by lack of detangling, and I think that's reasonable
[16:19] <cjwatson> but we should certainly consider suitability in isolation
[16:19] <cjwatson> one minute left before my self-imposed deadline; I don't want to cut discussion short, but it's hard to tell whether people are busy typing or mulling it over. :)
[16:20] <cody-somerville> I'm ready to vote.
[16:20]  * soren too
[16:20] <cjwatson> [VOTE] Approve Robert Ancell for ubuntu-core-dev
[16:20] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Robert Ancell for ubuntu-core-dev.
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[16:20] <persia> I'm not going to get more ready to vote in the next short while
[16:20] <soren> persia: :)
[16:21] <cody-somerville> +0
[16:21] <MootBot> Abstention received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[16:22] <soren> +1
[16:22] <cjwatson> +1
[16:22] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:22] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:23] <cjwatson> geser,persia: please vote
[16:23] <geser> +1
[16:23] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:23] <persia> +1 :  the work is good, and the comments good, and Robert has shown sufficient commitment that I'm sure I'd approve him in the future, even if it takes a couple complaints first.
[16:23] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:23] <cjwatson> [ENDVOTE]
[16:23] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
[16:24] <cjwatson> congratulations to Robert; I'll implement that
[16:24] <persia> But in future, I think I don't like in-abstentia processing: in the MC, we used to have special ad-hoc meetings when the time was otherwise unsuitable, which was more satisfying.
[16:25] <cjwatson> perhaps that would be more sensible.  nobody objected earlier :-)
[16:25] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] PPU application: Chase Douglas
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Chase Douglas
[16:25] <cjwatson> let me see if I can chase down Chase
[16:25] <geser> nobody replied to my mail how we process this application
[16:26] <soren> geser: hm? When did you send it?
[16:26] <geser> after the last DMB meeting
[16:26] <cjwatson> geser: I'm sorry, I missed that
[16:26] <cjwatson> [this is re Robert's]
[16:26] <persia> I'm happy to have tried in-abstentia: as I now know I dislike it that much more :)
[16:27] <cjwatson> let's move on, and we can come back to Chase later
[16:27] <cjwatson> (I've prodded him elsewhere)
[16:27] <cjwatson> aha, timing
[16:27] <cjwatson> cnd: hi
[16:27] <geser> soren: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/developer-membership-board/2010-June/000252.html
[16:28] <soren> geser: Yup, /just/ found it myself :)
[16:28] <soren> geser: Sorry about that :(
[16:29] <cjwatson> I'm going to move on until cnd gets his client fixed
[16:29] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] PPU application: Micah Gersten
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Micah Gersten
[16:29] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg/MozillaUploaderApp
[16:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg/MozillaUploaderApp
[16:30] <cjwatson> sorry, this isn't really PPU, it's for the Mozilla package set
[16:30] <cjwatson> micahg: are you here?
[16:30] <micahg> cjwatson: yes
[16:31] <cjwatson> hi, thanks for showing up again
[16:31] <micahg> cjwatson: np :)
[16:32] <cjwatson> [admin: planning to call time on this topic at :40 if not done before then]
[16:32] <cody-somerville> micahg, You run Xubuntu?
[16:32] <micahg> cody-somerville: yes
[16:32] <persia> micahg: So, you say you'd like better tools for selecting PPAs: is this something you think would be useful generally, or only in combination with PPAs as used by the mozillateam?  Similarly, are there other means by which it may make sense to accomplish those goals?
[16:32] <cody-somerville> micahg, Why don't you help the Xubuntu developer team out with packaging? they're always looking for help! :)
[16:33] <micahg> persia: well, definitely for the Mozilla team, but I think in general as well, I brought it up at UDS, but I don't think we had sufficient time to explore it
[16:33] <micahg> cody-somerville: I already have a lot of packaging work for the Mozilla team, if I had more time I'd be happy to help
[16:34] <micahg> cody-somerville: I did 1 SRU that I remember for xubuntu
[16:34] <cody-somerville> Okay, I'm ready to vote.
[16:35]  * soren too
[16:36]  * persia has no more questions
[16:36] <cjwatson> [VOTE] Approve Micah Gersten for Mozilla package set
[16:36] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Micah Gersten for Mozilla package set.
[16:36] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[16:36] <soren> +1
[16:36] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:36] <cody-somerville> +1
[16:36] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:36] <cjwatson> +1 - excellent endorsements
[16:36] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:36] <geser> +1
[16:36] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:36] <persia> +1
[16:36] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[16:37] <cjwatson> [ENDVOTE]
[16:37] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[16:37] <cjwatson> micahg: congratulations
[16:37] <micahg> thanks everyone :)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> congrats micahg \o/
[16:37] <soren> micahg: Thank *you*.
[16:37] <cjwatson> cnd2: have you got your connection sorted yet? :)
[16:38] <micahg> Is it ok if I drop out before the meeting ends?
[16:38] <cnd_> sorry all
[16:38] <cnd_> on the road
[16:38] <cnd_> iphone client
[16:38] <persia> micahg: Thanks for going through the effort of making a formal application after creating the category of developer you wished to be :)
[16:38] <cjwatson> cnd_: is now a suitable time, or would you prefer to defer to the next meeting?
[16:39] <cjwatson> (tsk, non-free IRC clients ... ;-) )
[16:39] <cnd_> i think now is ok
[16:39] <cnd_> if i drop, just move on
[16:39] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] PPU application: Chase Douglas
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Chase Douglas
[16:39] <cnd_> colloquy is open source btw
[16:39] <cjwatson> platform then ;-)
[16:39] <cnd_> :)
[16:40] <cjwatson> [admin: run to :48]
[16:40] <cjwatson> cnd_: is there any useful upstream (be that upstream-upstream, or Debian) collaboration happening on the firmware packages?  can there be?
[16:41] <cnd_>  btw, since i made the application ive also uploaded a new package called trace-cmd
[16:41] <cnd_> its tricky due to licencing
[16:41] <cnd_> its tricky due to licensing
[16:42] <cjwatson> indeed, though I know that there exist firmware packages in Debian too
[16:42]  * cody-somerville has to go AFK for a bit.
[16:42] <cnd_> dave woodhouse is trying to consolidate
[16:42] <cnd_> but we havent been able to open a dialogue with him yet
[16:43] <cnd_> weve been trying, maybe hes busy?
[16:43] <cnd_> tim gardner has been leading that effort
[16:44] <cjwatson> any other questions?
[16:45] <soren> no
[16:45]  * persia needs 2-3 minutes, but is unlikely to have a question
[16:45]  * soren has just been summoned, so needs to run very, very soon.
[16:45] <cnd_> so wrt trace-cmd, is it possible to get upload rights for it as well
[16:46] <cjwatson> I'm happy to amend the application for that
[16:46] <cnd_> its to be maintained by kernel team, but Ill probably be doing most of the work
[16:46] <cjwatson> let's move to a vote and we can fall back if people are uncomfortable with trace-cmd
[16:47] <cnd_> ok
[16:47] <cnd_> thanks
[16:47] <cjwatson> [VOTE] Approve Chase Douglas for upload rights for linux-firmware, linux-firmware-nonfree, and trace-cmd
[16:47] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Chase Douglas for upload rights for linux-firmware, linux-firmware-nonfree, and trace-cmd.
[16:47] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[16:47] <soren> +1
[16:47] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:47] <cjwatson> +1
[16:47] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[16:47] <geser> +1
[16:47] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:48] <persia> +1 : technical is fine, and there is enough evidence of coordination and interaction to avoid objection on lack of Membership grounds.
[16:48] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:49] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: still here?
[16:49] <soren> sorry, guys I have to leave.
[16:49] <cjwatson> soren: thanks
[16:50]  * cjwatson times out on Cody, given that we got quorum
[16:50] <cjwatson> [ENDVOTE]
[16:50] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[16:50] <cjwatson> cnd_: congratulations
[16:50] <cnd_> thanks! and thanks for putting up with my client issues :)
[16:50] <persia> But if cody-somerville doesn't reappear, we don't have quorum for more, without soren :(
[16:51] <cjwatson> indeed
[16:51] <cjwatson> cyphermox: here?
[16:51] <cyphermox> afaik, I'm next, and I don't object to deferring this until next meeting if necessary.. per
[16:51] <cyphermox> yes
[16:52] <cyphermox> *perhaps discussing the first item now?
[16:52] <cjwatson> we might as well proceed
[16:52] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] PPU application: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
[16:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU application: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
[16:53] <geser> cyphermox: I see that asac didn't manage to add endorsements to your application. Do you know why?
[16:53] <cyphermox> he was planning on attending
[16:53] <cjwatson> cyphermox: "using Ubuntu for about 7 years" - that's a good trick!
[16:53] <cyphermox> did I write that wrong?
[16:53] <cjwatson> Ubuntu wasn't public 7 years ago ;-)
[16:54] <cjwatson> or even existing
[16:54] <cyphermox> I fail :)
[16:54] <persia> Either that, or you managed to install it before it worked at all
[16:54] <cjwatson> it was just about sort of starting to be available to limited audiences 6 years ago ;-)
[16:54] <cyphermox> nah, my calculation was based on my employment in different places and when I started, from memory, so I am just mistaken :)
[16:55] <cyphermox> anyway, with asac not there, there is not much to say. he *had* added an endorsement to my MOTU app, some time ago
[16:55] <cjwatson> can we defer to next time and make sure at least asac has weighed in, then?  I'd like to have comments from somebody you've worked with directly
[16:55] <persia> Didn't we tell you to apply for the NM stack back then during processing that app?
[16:56] <cyphermox> persia: indeed
[16:56] <cyphermox> cjwatson: I don't object to it.
[16:56] <cjwatson> persia: is that "we should carry over asac's comments from the MOTU app"?
[16:56]  * persia suspects asac's comments at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mtrudel/DeveloperApplication only apply more, but is happy to defer since we can't make a decision now anyway
[16:57] <cjwatson> ok
[16:57] <persia> cjwatson: I'm happy to do so, since they were about NM anyway, but that's a matter of individual concience, I think.
[16:57] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] MOTU application: Gerfried Fuchs
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU application: Gerfried Fuchs
[16:57]  * Rhonda is around.
[16:58] <cjwatson> Rhonda: hi; I don't know if we can finish processing your application today unless Cody returns, as noted above, although we can potentially do some of it and finish off by e-mail
[16:58] <Rhonda> Yes, followed so far.
[16:59] <persia> Rhonda: You say you're still learning the procedures.  What parts are most confusing to you still?
[17:02] <Rhonda> I haven't used PPA yet, but from what I understand that's not a requirement yet. Also, even though I wrote an article about bzr for our company's magazine I haven't used it yet to work on merges. I usually tried to get the Ubuntu diff into the Debian packages so they can sync cleanly. :)
[17:02] <cjwatson> it's not a requirement
[17:03] <persia> making the merge irrelevant makes it easier all about, so I'm not sure that it makes sense to process merges the other way if you're happy to upload to Debian instead :)
[17:03] <Rhonda> One thing that confused me in launchpad once was the state triaged. I found it on a bug for well over a year without any progress and thought it was dangling somehow. I initially had the impression that it could be seen similarly to pending in the Debian BTS.
[17:03] <cjwatson> [re Rhonda's packages.ubuntu.com comment, I filed this in internal RT to try to get movement on it]
[17:04] <persia> There's an outstanding rt.ubuntu.com entry: dunno if it makes sense to reference them both (unless I'm mixing this up with another packages.ubuntu.com outstanding issue)
[17:05] <cjwatson> I looked for the public RT entry and didn't see it
[17:05] <cjwatson> anyway, not really directly relevant
[17:05] <cjwatson> it would definitely be good to have somebody actually in the Ubuntu community maintaining that site
[17:05] <Rhonda> I've sent cjwatson the diff that (hopefully) should be able to get applied to the config.sh file - in git there is only the config.sh.sed.in file which generates the former.
[17:06] <Rhonda> I'm not that big fan of bottlenecks. ;)
[17:06] <cjwatson> well, indeed ...
[17:06] <cjwatson> any further questions (from the few who remain)?
[17:07]  * persia has none
[17:08] <Rhonda> I'd like to point out that I'm not a Ubuntu Member yet - I was told that this would/could be processed at the same time?
[17:08] <geser> Rhonda: motu gives membership
[17:08] <cjwatson> right, you need to meet the membership requirements in order to join motu
[17:08] <Rhonda> Right, thought so. Not sure if that would make a difference for the procedures or has to get noted seperately.
[17:08] <cjwatson> (for that reason)
[17:09] <nils2> hej folks! did i get it right, that 20.00 UTC is 22.00 Berlin time?
[17:09] <cjwatson> nils2: yes, but we have another meeting in progress right now
[17:09] <Rhonda> nils2: At this time of the year, yes. :)
[17:09] <cjwatson> [VOTE] Approve Gerfried Fuchs for MOTU
[17:09] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Gerfried Fuchs for MOTU.
[17:09] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:09] <nils2> ah sorry!
[17:09] <nils2> thank you very much!
[17:10] <persia> Rhonda: For non-members, we consider the application for membership at the same time.
[17:10] <geser> +1
[17:10] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:11] <persia> +1 : Excellent technical history, wide application interest, successful social integration with MOTU team (IRC, etc.), history of QA work.
[17:11] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:12] <cjwatson> +1 - long and good history in Debian that I'm familiar with, along with all the rest
[17:12] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:12] <cjwatson> I think we have to go to e-mail for the rest
[17:12] <cjwatson> [ENDVOTE]
[17:12] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3
[17:12] <cjwatson> I'll bring this up on our list as part of writing the minutes, and we'll let you know the result
[17:13] <Rhonda> Thanks, appreciated.
[17:13] <cjwatson> Rhonda: thanks for spending time here
[17:13] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:13]  * persia has now (exceedingly belatedly) sent the minutes for the meeting six weeks ago
[17:13] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:13] <geser> dholbach | geser: are (any of) you guys going to mail av and emgent about their expired membership?
[17:13] <geser> any volunteers for this?
[17:14] <cjwatson> I can do it
[17:16] <cjwatson> ok, no other business; please follow up to the meeting times thread on the board list if you haven't already done so
[17:16] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[17:16] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:16.
[17:17] <quentusrex> Kernel meeting soon?
[17:17] <persia> quentusrex: 42 minutes or so.
[17:17] <quentusrex> thanks
[17:25] <Rhonda> soren, cody-somerville: If you have any questions feel free to query me. :)
[17:58] <JFo> o/
[18:00] <jjohansen> \o
[18:00]  * smb slugs in
[18:00] <JFo> o/
[18:00] <kamal> o/
[18:01]  * manjo zooms in
[18:01]  * apw slurps tea
[18:01]  * JFo gives apw some lemon
[18:01] <apw> LEMON!  are you mad?
[18:01] <JFo> depends on the tea
[18:02] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is bjf.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:02] <apw> not in the UK it doesn't :)
[18:02] <JFo> heh
[18:02]  * lag runs in and trips on the step - "Doh!"
[18:02] <smb> Just a drop of milk in his hot water
[18:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:02] <bjf> #
[18:02] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:02] <bjf> #
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open action: manjo to send a firewire patch with test info
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open action: manjo to send a firewire patch with test info
[18:02] <manjo> bjf, that was already done last week
[18:03] <JFo> so there is a test kernel out?
[18:03] <manjo> bjf ..
[18:03]  * JFo readies his CFT
[18:03] <manjo> the changed are out yes package uploaded
[18:03] <JFo> cool ..
[18:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open action: JFo to put out a CFT on new firewire stack
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open action: JFo to put out a CFT on new firewire stack
[18:03] <manjo> tgardner uploaeded the latest package of module-init-tools which contains the sw
[18:03] <manjo> itch. pgraner and I have tested the new stack, and I have also tested this in Lucid and found to perform better than the old stack. pgraner did tests with dvgrab, kino, and files transfer across HDDs, and all checked out ok. Thanks to pgran
[18:03] <manjo> er for all the testing. Jfo will issue a call for testing soon. Since this item is all done we can have this item removed from the meeting agenda.
[18:04] <apw> JFo, put that on the Kernel/Testing page too
[18:04] <JFo> will send out today
[18:04] <JFo> will do apw
[18:04] <JFo> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (lag)
[18:04] <lag>  - Marvel (mvl-dove)
[18:04] <lag>    - Nothing new this week
[18:04] <lag>  - Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[18:04] <lag>     - Nothing new this week
[18:04] <lag>  - Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[18:04] <lag>    * CONFIG   : Activate block IO actions, tracing required by system-tap
[18:04] <lag>    * CONFIG   : Increase default VRAM allocation size to 32MB
[18:04] <lag>    * PATCH    : Bug fixing for segfault
[18:04] <lag>    * PATCH    : Video display fix on Beagleboard
[18:04] <lag>    * ON GOING : Submitted patches for building Syslink as a module need to be modified
[18:04] <lag>    * ON GOING : Auto-load Syslink modules on OMAP4 architectures is nearly complete
[18:04] <lag>    * ON GOING : Still trying to figure out why disabling camera power domain on OMAP3
[18:05] <lag>                 prevents daisy chain read in Ubuntu system
[18:05] <lag>    * ON GOING : May fixed DSS2 oops. QA has an image they need to look at. mpoirier has
[18:05] <lag>                 been testing a lot in his environment without re-occurrence
[18:05] <lag>    * ON GOING : rtg will be looking at IGEPv2 board - mpoirier shipped the board yesterday
[18:05] <lag> ..
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:06] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (1 bugs, 9 Blueprints)
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * 4 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
[18:06] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (down 2)
[18:06] <JFo>  * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * 7 linux kernel bugs (no change)
[18:06] <JFo>  * 2 linux-ti-omap bugs (down 2)
[18:06] <JFo>  * 1 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * 14 blueprints
[18:06] <JFo> *** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints***
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[18:06] <JFo>  * Breakdown by status:
[18:06] <JFo>    http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[18:06] <JFo> I will add mvl and freescale back for next week's metrics
[18:06] <JFo> ..
[18:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-apparmor
[18:07] <jjohansen> Fixed Bug #581525 both kernel and user space and am about to push out test kernels for reporters to verify
[18:07] <jjohansen> Have a patch for Bug #599450 that needs to be tested
[18:08] <jjohansen> Bug #602261 has been reported as a potential AA issue, looking into it.  We have some compiler patches that reduce memory usage that will get synced with alpha3
[18:08] <jjohansen> looking into duplicating and the bug and seeing if it is AA
[18:08] <jjohansen> ..
[18:08] <apw> jjohansen, note that that bug occurs when running lucid (pre-update kernel)
[18:08] <apw> ..
[18:08] <jjohansen> apw: yes
[18:09] <jjohansen> though it is likely userspace component
[18:09] <jjohansen> the compiler consumes 80-100MB
[18:09] <jjohansen> ..
[18:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo)
[18:10] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-firewire-stack (manjo)
[18:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-firewire-stack
[18:10] <manjo> tgardner uploaeded the latest package of module-init-tools which contains the sw
[18:10] <manjo> itch. pgraner and I have tested the new stack, and I have also tested this in Lucid and found to perform better than the old stack. pgraner did tests with dvgrab, kino, and files transfer across HDDs, and all checked out ok. Thanks to pgran
[18:10] <manjo> er for all the testing. Jfo will issue a call for testing soon. Since this item is all done we can have this item removed from the meeting agenda.
[18:10] <manjo> ..
[18:11] <bjf> noted
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)
[18:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-misc (apw)
[18:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-misc
[18:11] <apw> Some work on cleaning up lintian errors is ongoing.  Nothing else to report.
[18:11] <apw> ..
[18:11] <manjo> I have pinged luke regarding upgrades, looks like audio packages are current
[18:11] <manjo> ..
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:13] <bjf> Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:13] <tgardner> bjf, no change from last week
[18:13] <tgardner> ..
[18:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:13] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:13] <jjohansen> Have update Xen patchset, that I will start testing today.
[18:13] <jjohansen> Amazon have opened their pv-grub based loader for general use so I will be revisiting the pv-ops based kernel.
[18:13] <jjohansen> ..
[18:14] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)
[18:14] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review (ogasawara)
[18:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[18:14] <bjf> Since we won't be using union-mounts in Maverick, we're planning an aufs update for Alpha3.
[18:14] <bjf> ..
[18:14] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-union-mounts (apw)
[18:14] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-union-mounts
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-union-mounts (apw)
[18:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-union-mounts
[18:15] <apw> Based on the lack of feedback we will assume staying with aufs2 for Maverick.  Preparations to update aufs2 are in progress.
[18:15] <apw> ..
[18:15] <bjf> apw, do we want to keep this on the agenda?
[18:15] <apw> bjf probabally can come off as of now, thanks
[18:15] <apw> ..
[18:16] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-config-review (ogasawara)
[18:16] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-config-review
[18:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-config-review (ogasawara)
[18:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-config-review
[18:16] <bjf> We have 2 misc bugs to close for Alpha3.  Both are already assigned to a kernel dev and In Progress.
[18:16] <bjf> ..
[18:16] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:16] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:16] <JFo> nothing to report
[18:17] <JFo> ..
[18:17] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:17] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:17] <apw> The ureadahead patches remain untested.  Will bring this up with foundations.
[18:17] <apw> ..
[18:17] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:17] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:18] <bjf> Changes to Firmware Test Suite this week:
[18:18] <bjf>  * Additional Tests:
[18:18] <bjf>    * thermal_trip: Check Thermal Zone trip mechanism.
[18:18] <bjf>    * cpufreq:      Check P-states across all CPUs.
[18:18] <bjf>    * bios_info:    Gather BIOS version information.
[18:18] <bjf>    * microcode:    Check if latest microcode is loaded.
[18:18] <bjf>    * maxfreq:      Check CPU max freq against BIOS setting.
[18:18] <bjf>  * Other changes:
[18:18] <bjf>    * hibernate:    Fix S4 detection bug, check for hibernation phases.
[18:18] <bjf>    * lid:          Detect GPE activity on lid events.
[18:18] <bjf>    * WMI:          Only dump driver writing advice text out once.
[18:18] <bjf>    * ACPI tables:  Extract ACPI tables without the need for acpidump.
[18:18] <bjf>  * * Misc:
[18:18] <bjf>    * Wrote Python version of acpidump for inclusion into apport
[18:18] <bjf>    * Maverick PPA builds for new code.
[18:18] <bjf> ..
[18:18] <apw> progressing rapidly, nice ..
[18:19] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:19] <bjf> linux-2.6.35-6.9 was uploaded immediately upon Alpha2's release.  I expect the upstream 2.6.35-rc4 kernel to land relatively soon.  We'll of course rebase our Maverick kernel at that time.
[18:19] <bjf> Alpha 3 is Thurs Aug 5th which is about a month away.  We are towering over the Alpha 3 burn down chart's trend line, so please review the list of work items for Alpha 3 and start closing out tasks:
[18:19] <bjf> ..
[18:19] <bjf> LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-maverick-alpha-3.html
[18:19] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone maverick-alpha-3
[18:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone maverick-alpha-3
[18:19] <apw> not sure we are over the line for alpha3 currently ?
[18:19] <bjf> ..
[18:20] <apw> ..
[18:20] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:20] <smb> Dapper:      2.6.15-55.84  (security)
[18:20] <smb> Hardy:       2.6.24-28.70  (security)
[18:20] <smb>              2.6.24-28.71  (proposed)[18]  0 / 1 verifications done
[18:20] <smb> Jaunty:      2.6.28-19.61  (security)
[18:20] <smb> Karmic:      2.6.31-22.60  (security)
[18:20] <smb>              2.6.31-22.61  (waiting for approval)
[18:20] <smb>  - mvl-dove  2.6.31-214.28 (security)
[18:20] <smb>              2.6.31-214.29 (waiting for approval)
[18:20] <smb>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-112.28 (security)
[18:20] <smb>              2.6.31-112.29 (waiting for approval)
[18:20] <smb>  - ec2       2.6.31-307.15 (security)
[18:20] <smb>              2.6.31-307.16 (waiting for approval)
[18:21] <smb> Lucid:       2.6.32-23.37  (updates)
[18:21] <smb>              2.6.32-24.38  (proposed)[ 1]  0/ 4 verifications done
[18:21] <smb>  - LBM       2.6.32-24.38  (proposed)[ 0]  0/ 1 verifications done
[18:21] <smb>  - mvl-dove  2.6.32-206.19 (updates)
[18:21] <smb>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-608.15 (updates)
[18:21] <smb>  - ti-omap   2.6.33-502.8  (updates)
[18:21] <smb>  - qcm-msm   2.6.31-802.5  (updates)
[18:21] <smb>  - ec2       2.6.32-307.12 (updates)
[18:21] <smb>
[18:21] <smb> Lucid has been reuploaded with a proposed kernel that addresses a lot of
[18:21] <smb> ext4 issues. If all goes to plan this gets moved to updates soon enough
[18:21] <smb> to have a security update before Jul-28 which is the first point release.
[18:21] <smb>
[18:21] <smb> Karmic is still not accepted because of the abstracted.debian backport.
[18:21] <smb> As there is a security update pending we need to eihter get someone
[18:21] <smb> take the risk and accept it into proposed, or we need to revert everything
[18:21] <smb> and get the minimal changes uploaded. Though the security update would
[18:21] <smb> be based on the version currently in updates, I think it would require
[18:21] <smb> a very careful merging back and together with the branches needing special
[18:21] <smb> care cause the whole validation of the builds being void.
[18:21] <smb> tgardner, pgraner Would you think that Steve would take that risk if you asked him?
[18:22]  * apw seconds the laast paragraph.
[18:22] <tgardner> possibly
[18:22] <tgardner> especially after we show that the binary packages are identical
[18:22] <tgardner> ..
[18:23] <smb> tgardner, Would you take the action of talking to him, then?
[18:23] <tgardner> smb, sure
[18:23] <smb> ok thanks
[18:23] <smb> ..
[18:24] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:24] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[18:24] <JFo> 50 Maverick Bugs (up 22)
[18:24] <JFo> 1028 Lucid Bugs (up 48)
[18:24] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:24] <JFo> [18:24] <JFo>   * 27 maverick bugs (up 15)
[18:24] <smb> bjf, correction, the version of lbm in lucid proposed is 2.6.32-24.17
[18:24] <JFo>   * 224 lucid bugs (up 1: to be converted to regression-release)
[18:24] <JFo> [18:24] <JFo>   * 40 lucid bugs (up 6)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 1 hardy bug (no change)
[18:24] <JFo> [18:24] <JFo>   * 151 lucid bugs (up 9)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 45 karmic bugs (down 1)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 19 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:24] <JFo> [18:24] <JFo>   * 2 lucid bugs (up 1)
[18:24] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[18:24] <JFo> ..
[18:25] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:25] <JFo> Community Bug days will resume next Tuesday. The focus will be on Fix Committed bugs. We will be looking to ensure that Fixes that were committed were in fact released so we can set their status appropriately. I'll be sending out an e-mail announcing this tomorrow.
[18:25] <JFo> We'll again be having the Team Bug Day over Friday and Monday as half days
[18:25] <JFo> ..
[18:25] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:25] <apw> o/
[18:25] <kamal> o/
[18:25] <bjf> apw, go
[18:26] <apw> i am wondering if we should re-purpose the wiki 5th button from advanced to FAQ
[18:26] <apw> the advanced topics page is empty(!) and the faq is starting to contain useful things
[18:26] <JFo> I think FAQ
[18:26] <apw> ..
[18:26] <bjf> apw, that sounds good
[18:26] <smb> +1
[18:26] <sconklin> +1
[18:26] <JFo> I have a ton of things that need to go to an FAQ
[18:26] <bjf> +1
[18:26] <JFo> +1
[18:26]  * apw takes that as a yes ...
[18:27] <apw> ..
[18:27] <bjf> kamal, go
[18:27] <kamal> bug 594837
[18:27] <kamal> Just FYI - gregkh says this may get applied to stable sometime this week, so we can continue to wait on that I think.
[18:27] <kamal> ..
[18:27]  * smb agrees
[18:27] <apw> is that the SCI_EN one ?
[18:27] <kamal> yes
[18:27] <apw> ack ..
[18:27] <bjf> anyone else have anything?
[18:28] <bjf> thanks everyone
[18:28] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:28.
[18:28] <JFo> thanks bjf
[18:28] <kamal> thanks bjf
[18:28] <apw> thanks bjf
[18:28] <smb> thanks bjf
[18:53] <zul> gday
[18:54] <SpamapS> ahoi
[18:54] <sommer> o//
[18:58] <jiboumans> will be starting shortly, wrapping up a call
[19:01]  * MichealH waits
[19:01] <smoser> o/
[19:01] <MichealH> Hey smoser
[19:01] <SpamapS> ~\o
[19:02] <mathiaz> \~\
[19:02] <MichealH> First Kernel team meeting here... Want to get involved :D
[19:02] <hallyn> o\
[19:02] <MichealH> o/
[19:03] <ogra_cmpc> MichealH, i think kernel was 1h ago
[19:03] <kirkland> o/
[19:03] <jjohansen> \o
[19:03] <SpamapS> \o/
[19:03] <MichealH> ogra_cmpc: Ooooops
[19:03]  * MichealH hides
[19:04] <jiboumans> good morning
[19:04] <MichealH> Oh well I was orriginally here for the EMEA membership thing :)
[19:04] <ogra_cmpc> thats in 1h
[19:04] <SpamapS> #startmeeting
[19:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:04. The chair is SpamapS.
[19:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:04] <jiboumans> thanks all for joining
[19:04] <jiboumans> i'm today's chair and scribe
[19:05]  * SpamapS is the chair proxy
[19:05] <jiboumans> I'll have to possibly leave a bit early, at which point SpamapS will continue (thanks for that)
[19:05] <SpamapS> jiboumans: agenda url so I can keep up w/ your topics?
[19:05] <jiboumans> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[19:05] <SpamapS> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:05] <jiboumans> jjohansen to send email regarding atop patchset
[19:05] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:05] <jiboumans> that was done
[19:05] <Daviey> \o
[19:06] <jiboumans> mathiaz to provide work items for Alpha3 on his specs by Thursday
[19:06] <jiboumans> while mathiaz answers
[19:06] <jiboumans> SpamapS to ask kees whether it's good to seed
[19:06] <SpamapS> Kees says ok to seed libmemcached and memcached into main
[19:06] <mathiaz> that was done
[19:06] <SpamapS> :)
[19:07] <jiboumans> spamaps++
[19:07] <jiboumans> nice, good to have it
[19:07] <jiboumans> jjohansen to appropriately prioritze bug 576066
[19:07] <jjohansen> the kernel team needs some clarification on the bug
[19:07] <jiboumans> jjohansen: anything we can do in the meeting here?
[19:07] <jjohansen> maybe
[19:08] <jjohansen> we were looking for what releases and cd's needed the update
[19:08] <jiboumans> ok, let's talk about it right after the other action point
[19:08] <jjohansen> Lucid server install, alternate, maverick
[19:08] <jjohansen> from a quick look this seems to be present in maverick
[19:08] <jjohansen> but I don't have the hardware to test
[19:08] <jjohansen> so we were going to request that as well
[19:08]  * zkriesse walk into the maverick meeting?
[19:09] <jiboumans> zkriesse: ubuntu server team meeting
[19:09] <jiboumans> jjohansen: does our QA team have it per chance?
[19:09] <MichealH> ogra_cmpc: Its in 2 hours acctually
[19:09] <zkriesse> oh cool
[19:09] <jiboumans> hggdh: ^
[19:09] <MichealH> jiboumans: Its not on the calendar?!?
[19:09] <jjohansen> jiboumans, hggdh: I haven't checked yet
[19:10] <jiboumans> jjohansen: let's move this over to next week then
[19:10] <jiboumans> gives you some time to consult and check with hggdh if they have the hardware
[19:10] <jjohansen> okay, thanks
[19:10] <jiboumans> sommer to ping mdke re: refresh issue, through email this time
[19:11] <SpamapS> [ACTION] hrough email this time
[19:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  hrough email this time
[19:11] <SpamapS> 11:14 ... join!#ubuntu-meeting -> ikoni
[19:11] <SpamapS> doh
[19:11] <sommer> haven't heard back on that... will ping again
[19:11] <jiboumans> ok, carry over
[19:11] <SpamapS> [ACTION] sommer to ping mdke re: refresh issue, through email this time
[19:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to ping mdke re: refresh issue, through email this time
[19:11] <jiboumans> sommer: if we can help somehow, please ask
[19:11] <jiboumans> everyone to assign themselves to 2 papercuts from https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/maverick-alpha-3
[19:11] <zkriesse> If you guys are trying to get ahold of mdke it'll take some time
[19:11] <jiboumans> only https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125609 left
[19:12] <jiboumans> zkriesse: why's that?
[19:12] <zul> ill take it
[19:12] <jiboumans> zul++ thanks
[19:12] <zkriesse> jiboumans: Last few times i've tried contacting him through email/irc he's not responded
[19:13] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Maverick development
[19:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick development
[19:14] <jiboumans> I've sent out a request to update blueprints
[19:14] <jiboumans> not everyone has done so yet unfortunately
[19:14] <mathiaz> I've worked on creating a status template
[19:14] <kirkland> jiboumans: do you have specific BP's in mind?
[19:14] <jiboumans> [ACTION] kirkland, daviey, hallyn, zul, ttx, spamaps to update their blueprints by Wednesday EOB
[19:14] <hallyn> jiboumans: maybe there's more to 'updating' them than i thought?  is there a url telling us what needs to be doen?
[19:14] <jiboumans> kirkland: i sent a mail on that last week adn again today
[19:15] <kirkland> jiboumans: i touched all of my BP's ... which BP need love, and what love do they need?
[19:15] <jiboumans> hallyn: 	[SERVER] [ACTION REQUIRED] Alpha3 blueprint updates
[19:15] <mathiaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/459941/
[19:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/459941/
[19:15] <SpamapS> jiboumans: is it just status that needs to be updated at this time? I think a lot of the 1st work items will spawn the rest of the work items that get burned down through the cycle.
[19:15] <Daviey> jiboumans, I had some uncertainly about who owns the blueprint.. is it the drafter?
[19:15] <Daviey> or the assignee?
[19:15] <jiboumans> All: this is outlined in the email I sent. If it's unclear, please respond with questions.
[19:16] <jiboumans> Please see the above email and I'm happy to pick this up with you 1:1 if there's any unclarity after the meeting today
[19:16] <hallyn> mathiaz: thx
[19:16] <Daviey> jiboumans, In either case, i looked at my blueprints and they seemed current.
[19:16] <jiboumans> Daviey: there's also an action to send out an email
[19:16] <jiboumans> moving on
[19:17] <jiboumans> we'll take a look at the actual progress on alpha3 next week when all specs are completely specified
[19:17] <jiboumans> as hggdh is running a bit late today, we'll move on to the kernel team next:
[19:17] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:18] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:18] <jiboumans> jjohansen: first, Bug 597387: Maverick EC2 kernel issue
[19:18] <mathiaz> jjohansen: you guyz rock - my TP x201 is working now!
[19:18] <jjohansen> I have update the Xen kernel patch and will be doing some testing today, so we should have a new kernel soon
[19:19] <jjohansen> the pv-ops kernel is further behind
[19:19] <zul> yay...keep it away
[19:19] <jjohansen> I plan to start testing that option again once we have the Xen kernel up
[19:19] <SpamapS> [ACTION] kirkland, daviey, hallyn, zul, ttx, spamaps to update their blueprints by Wednesday EOB
[19:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland, daviey, hallyn, zul, ttx, spamaps to update their blueprints by Wednesday EOB
[19:20] <jjohansen> any other Qs?
[19:20] <zul> nope
[19:20] <mathiaz> jjohansen: great work on bug 554569
[19:20] <mathiaz> jjohansen: (but it's not server related :) )
[19:21] <mathiaz> jjohansen: would this rolled out to lucid as an SRU?
[19:21] <jjohansen> ubottu: have you tried the latest kernels, there have been some updates to maverick that fix that for many people
[19:21] <jjohansen> hey :)
[19:21] <jiboumans> ubottu++ ;)
[19:22] <mathiaz> jjohansen: ok - I'm still running lucid
[19:22] <mathiaz> jjohansen: anyway - that's outside of this meeting
[19:22] <mathiaz> I've got nothing else for the kernel team
[19:22] <jiboumans> jjohansen: Bug 576066: ums-cypress.ko missing from server installer
[19:22] <jjohansen> mathiaz: okay, yeah lucid is problematic as its a rather large patchset
[19:22] <SpamapS> so were we revisiting the cypress bug in this section?
[19:22] <netshine> the meeting is more two hours, right?
[19:22] <jjohansen> jiboumans: right, discussed earlier
[19:23] <MichealH> netshine: in 1:30 hours: EMEA meeting
[19:23] <hallyn> jjohansen: and the apparmor permission denied bug?
[19:23] <netshine> exactly, thanks
[19:23] <jiboumans> jjohansen: oh, i must have missed that in scrollback
[19:23] <netshine> MichealH: :)
[19:23] <jjohansen> its just a matter of clearing up some questions, a Lucid update is a few weeks a way
[19:23] <MichealH> netshine: Or visit http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[19:23] <jjohansen> hallyn: which permission denied bug?
[19:23] <hallyn> bug 599450
[19:23] <jiboumans> jjohansen: last one then ;) atop kernel patch
[19:23] <jiboumans> I saw your email going out; did you get any useful feedback?
[19:24] <SpamapS> [ACTION] (carryover) jjohansen to appropriately prioritze bug 576066
[19:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  (carryover) jjohansen to appropriately prioritze bug 576066
[19:24] <hallyn> jjohansen: just wondering if you know the cause already (or if it's worth my digging into)
[19:25] <jjohansen> jiboumans: atop, just needs discussion.  As it currently stands the kernel team is relucant to carry it, and is looking for use cases/ why atop is so much better than other solutions
[19:25] <jiboumans> jjohansen: understood. I'd hate for a patch to be unmaintained upstream of course
[19:25] <jjohansen> hallyn: yep, I know the cause, and need to discuss it on apparmor dev
[19:26] <hallyn> ok thanks
[19:26] <jjohansen> jiboumans: I received a reply from the author on the weekend and he might try pushing it upstream again in the fall
[19:26] <jjohansen> he is busy this summer it seems
[19:26] <jjohansen> I am composing a reply
[19:26] <jiboumans> jjohansen: thanks for chasing it either way
[19:26] <jiboumans> let's revisit again next week
[19:27] <jiboumans> jjohansen++ thanks
[19:27] <jjohansen> yes
[19:27] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:27] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:27] <sommer> nadda new from me
[19:27] <SpamapS> oops
[19:27] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:28] <jiboumans> that's an easy topic then :)
[19:28] <SpamapS> sommer: I had a user confused by the CUPS section of the server guide this morning in #ubuntu-server
[19:28] <jiboumans> any questions for mr sommer?
[19:28] <SpamapS> sommer: should I send him to a particular page to report that as a "bug" ?
[19:28] <ttx> o/
[19:28] <sommer> SpamapS: if he files it against ubuntu-docs that should be fine
[19:29]  * ttx just arrived
[19:29] <MichealH> ttx: o/
[19:29] <SpamapS> sommer: ubuntu-docs, got it. Thx.
[19:29] <sommer> welcome :-)
[19:29]  * SpamapS feels a disturbance in the force suddenly
[19:30] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: new process (zul)
[19:30] <zul> so I sent out the email on monday I havent gotten any nominations so far this week
[19:30] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: new process (zul)
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: new process (zul)
[19:30] <jiboumans> zul: as in yesterday?
[19:30] <zul> people have until friday to nominate but looking at the bugs there wasnt any good ones to nominate
[19:31] <zul> jiboumans: yes as in yesterday
[19:31] <zul> and ill be doing some SRU gardening on friday as well to go through really old SRU requests to see if they are still relevant
[19:31] <mathiaz> zul: is there a link where the SRU tracker page is updated on a regular basis?
[19:32] <jiboumans> zul: so a reminder in the notes is probably the best we can do right now?
[19:32] <jiboumans> mathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html i believe
[19:32] <zul> mathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html
[19:32] <zul> jiboumans: probably
[19:32] <jiboumans> zul: ok, i'll make a point to highlight it in the notes
[19:32] <jiboumans> hggdh: are you around?
[19:33] <jiboumans> idle time suggests not
[19:33] <mathiaz> zul: how often is the page refreshed?
[19:33] <zul> mathiaz: every night
[19:33] <jiboumans> we'll make sure to document any questions though so hggdh can address them later
[19:33] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:33] <jiboumans> any questsion for hggdh ?
[19:33] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:34] <jiboumans> going once...
[19:34] <jiboumans> going twice..
[19:34] <jiboumans> alright then, moving on:
[19:34] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:34] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:35] <mathiaz> how is everyone doing?
[19:35] <SpamapS> stupdendous over here
[19:35] <Daviey> Tired here :)
[19:35] <jiboumans> Regarding the alpha3 blueprints; please take a look at the mail. I'll schedule an open call tomorrow morning PST for any questions. Email also works if there's anything unclear. Thanks :)
[19:36] <Daviey> jiboumans, to list or direct?
[19:36] <jiboumans> fog's lifted, seeing the sun again :)
[19:36] <jiboumans> Daviey: feel free to ask direct
[19:36] <Daviey> ok, thanks
[19:36] <zul> jiboumans: i wont be there btw
[19:36] <SpamapS> I'm a little unclear on the seed to main process
[19:36] <SpamapS> Is that just something that I need to have sponsored?
[19:36] <jiboumans> zul: no problem, it's only if you ahve questions. feel free to send those over email, irc or any other way
[19:37] <mathiaz> SpamapS: thanks - I've just learned a new word today!
[19:37] <mathiaz> SpamapS: stupdendous
[19:37] <mathiaz> SpamapS: yes
[19:37] <mathiaz> SpamapS: seeds are bzr branches
[19:37] <mathiaz> SpamapS: so you can branch them and then submit a merge proposal through LP
[19:37] <SpamapS> Ah ok so branch, merge request, etc?
[19:38] <SpamapS> mathiaz: well then I may have something for you on Thursday. :)
[19:38] <SpamapS> jiboumans: are we ready to talk about rubygems yet?
[19:38] <mathiaz> SpamapS: great
[19:38] <jiboumans> SpamapS: i think some preparation is required there
[19:38] <zul> SpamapS: gah?
[19:38] <Daviey> Is this something that would be better on ubuntu-server ML?
[19:38] <SpamapS> jiboumans: agreed... I'd like it to be an action point on somebody's radar .. so many angry users.. ;)
[19:39] <SpamapS> Daviey: probably.
[19:39] <jiboumans> [ACTION] SpamapS to prepare suggestion around improving rubygems
[19:39] <jiboumans> spamaps: well volunteered
[19:39] <mathiaz> zul: where is the SRU tracker code?
[19:39] <SpamapS> [ACTION] SpamapS to prepare suggestion around improving rubygems
[19:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  SpamapS to prepare suggestion around improving rubygems
[19:39] <zul> launchpad.net/server-sru-tracker
[19:39] <mathiaz> zul: great - thanks
[19:39]  * SpamapS has always thought his neck sticks out a bit too much. ;)
[19:40] <jiboumans> any other topics?
[19:40] <hallyn> zul: iiuc i need to nominate bug 588293 for sru
[19:40] <mathiaz> SpamapS: debian bug 403407
[19:40] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ^^ this is your starting point :)
[19:41] <SpamapS> mathiaz: cool thanks.
[19:41] <zul> hallyn: please send an email to ubuntu server ml
[19:41] <hallyn> zul: kthx
[19:41] <jiboumans> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:41] <jiboumans> Tuesday 2010-07-13 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[19:41]  * ttx puts his head in the sand to avoid seeing rubygems
[19:41] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:41] <SpamapS> Tuesday 2010-07-13 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[19:41] <jiboumans> and that's all she wrote
[19:41] <jiboumans> thanks all for attending!
[19:41] <SpamapS> #endmeeting
[19:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:41.
[19:42] <Daviey> ttx, just alias rake for apt-get :)
[19:42] <hallyn> (doh, nm, i wasn't thinking straight)
[19:42] <zul> heh evil...but it might just work ;)
[19:49] <hggdh> I am back
[19:49] <hggdh> oh
[19:49] <hggdh> meeting done
[19:49] <hggdh> :-(
[19:50]  * MichealH laughs at hggdh
[19:50] <MichealH> Hey Sensiva
[19:50] <Sensiva> Hey MichealH
[19:50] <MichealH> You here for the meeting?7
[19:51] <Sensiva> Sort of :D
[19:51] <Sensiva> errrm the ubuntu membership meeting I mean
[19:51] <MichealH> Yup :D
[19:51] <MichealH> I am \o/
[19:51] <MichealH> Hey Agafonov
[19:51] <zkriesse> Sensiva: and you are?
[19:51] <czajkowski> 9 mins to go folks
[19:52] <Agafonov> MichealH: listening...
[19:52] <netshine> really? :-0
[19:52] <MichealH> czajkowski: Its at 9BST is'nt it?
[19:52] <netshine> i think i have more hour :-0
[19:52] <Sensiva> zkriesse I am here just to attend the meeting, but I didn't apply for a membership yet
[19:52] <netshine> nvm :|
[19:52] <MichealH> czajkowski: We have 1:08 left
[19:52] <czajkowski> aye
[19:52] <MichealH> 1 hour?
[19:52] <netshine> yep :-0
[19:53] <czajkowski> yes 1 hr 8 mins
[19:53] <zkriesse> the meeting will start at 20:00 UTC
[19:53]  * MichealH laughs at czajkowski 's fail
[19:53] <czajkowski> MichealH: keep laughing I'll see you back in an hour for the meeting.
[19:54] <MichealH> Hey airurando
[19:54] <czajkowski> airurando: aloha
[19:54] <Agafonov> I think someone should force ubuntu events to use human understandable time zones :)
[19:55] <airurando> Hello MichealH and czajkowski
[19:55] <Sensiva> timeanddate.com made it easy
[19:55] <zkriesse> Agafonov: eh he
[19:55] <zkriesse> http://www.timeanddate.com/
[19:56] <czajkowski> airurando: one of these days I'll see your application on the membership agenda page :)
[19:57] <Agafonov> or - add UTC calculator to ubottu...
[19:58] <Agafonov> !time
[19:58] <zkriesse> Agafonov: type date -u in your terminal
[19:58] <zkriesse> Agafonov: it'll tell you what time it is in UTC
[19:58] <Agafonov> zkriesse: I know what time is on my computer, It must be clearly seen here
[19:59] <MichealH> I just minus 1 hr form my system clock :)
[19:59] <Agafonov> !utc
[19:59] <MichealH> !time utc
[19:59] <MichealH> Ahhh I fail
[20:00]  * Agafonov searching ubottu author...
[20:01] <MichealH> Dey Ddorda
[20:01] <MichealH> *Hey
[20:02] <Ddorda> MichealH: hey there :)
[20:02] <MichealH> czajkowski: If i remember I didnt make it cos of the Wiki... I HOPE IT WORKS TODAY
[20:02] <MichealH> BAD WIKI :D
[20:02] <Ddorda> i didn't know i have friends here, maybe i should come here more often :D
[20:03] <czajkowski> Ddorda: hey!!
[20:03] <MichealH> Oh Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:03] <Ddorda> czajkowski: hey
[20:03] <MichealH> ;)
[20:03] <Ddorda> i came cause netshine won't stop to push me in here
[20:03] <Ddorda> :D
[20:04] <MichealH> bad netshine :D
[20:04] <netshine> yeah.. it was like "ddorda please please please"
[20:04] <Ddorda> netshine: he even asked from czajkowski to call me
[20:04] <netshine> and he was like : "yeah... why not, i guess"
[20:04] <netshine> :)
[20:04] <Ddorda> netshine: i already told you, if you want me to be your friend, i take only paypal donates.
[20:05] <netshine> paypal.com/ddorda "Pay Now"
[20:05] <Ddorda> netshine: it's more like "i love you! now pay"
[20:05] <Ddorda> MichealH: you're invited too
[20:06] <MichealH> netshine: Not as evil as me I am begging on my knees for vbrummond to join. Basically because he thinks I deserve it more than anyone he knows :)
[20:06] <MichealH> Hey mpoirier
[20:06]  * MichealH makes notes
[20:07] <Ddorda> MichealH: and i thought i was special! :(
[20:51] <MichealH> READY FOR ACTION
[20:51] <scott_ev> ayup
[20:51] <MichealH> popey, czajkowski others 10 mins :D
[20:56] <MichealH> Hey rs3 moshe742
[20:56] <moshe742> hey to you too:)
[20:56] <MichealH> :)
[20:56] <MichealH> Here for the meeting?
[20:56] <Seveas> MichealH, could you please try not disrupting the meeting this time?
[20:56] <moshe742> the meeting is in a few minutes, right?
[20:56] <MichealH> Yup I wont Seveas
[20:56] <rs3> good afternoon
[20:57] <MichealH> moshe742: 4 mins
[20:57] <zkriesse> MichealH: please just sit still..hush
[20:57] <MichealH> rs3: Good afternoon to you too :P
[20:57]  * MichealH stays quiet
[20:57] <zkriesse> Thank you
[20:58] <andrejz> netherlands just scored if anyone wants to know
[20:58] <Seveas> popey, czajkowski, highvoltage, ogra, ogra_cmpc, stgraber, drubin: prod
[20:58]  * ogra_cmpc wonders if Seveas is watching
[20:58] <czajkowski> Seveas: aloha
[20:58] <czajkowski> ogra_cmpc: howdy doody
[20:58] <Seveas> ogra_cmpc, no
[20:58] <ogra_cmpc> heay
[20:58] <highvoltage> I'm here, stgraber will be here in just a minute
[20:58]  * drubin is here
[20:58] <Seveas> though I can hear vuvuzelas (live almost nextdoor to a few cafes)
[20:59]  * drubin lives in ZA
[20:59] <h00k> Seveas: not you again.
[20:59] <czajkowski> no more annoying bees noise soon
[21:00]  * drubin offers cookies to those waiting
[21:00]  * MichealH takes drubin 's cookies :P
[21:00] <slofgren_> slofgren_: takes a cookie
[21:00]  * scott_ev loves cokies
[21:00] <popey> lo
[21:00] <MichealH> My iPod ^^
[21:01] <MichealH> heh I am well organised
[21:01] <Seveas> MichealH, please stay quiet until it is your turn.
[21:01] <scott_ev> drubin: milk?
[21:01] <MichealH> Seveas: Yup
[21:01] <Seveas> all: we're waiting a few minutes for stgraber to arrive
[21:01] <drubin> scott_ev: nope ;-p ok back on topic.
[21:01]  * stgraber waves
[21:01] <drubin> great timing. nice stgraber
[21:02] <Seveas> candidates: please prepare a short (3 line max) introduction to paste when it is your turn
[21:02] <highvoltage> Seveas: it's barely been a minute! (if ntp is to be believed)
[21:02] <Seveas> highvoltage, ntp is a lie :P
[21:02] <drubin> The spoon is a lie! not the cookie
[21:02] <Seveas> ok, let's get started!
[21:02] <moshe742> what should we tell in the short introduction?
[21:02] <ogra_cmpc> you should introduce yourself
[21:02] <Seveas> andrejz, you're up first, please introduce yourself
[21:03] <ogra_cmpc> and what you have done to contribute
[21:03] <andrejz> ok
[21:03] <andrejz> hello! my name is andrej and i do most of my activities
[21:03] <andrejz> in the translation field. I am a member of gnome translation group
[21:03] <czajkowski> we're going through the list in order of names added https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[21:03] <andrejz> and recently became a coordinator of laucnhpad slovenian translators
[21:03] <andrejz> more info can be found on wiki here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndrejZnidarsic or ask
[21:04] <Seveas> I'm impressed with the amount of work, both upstream and in Ubuntu
[21:04] <andrejz> well, i have had a lot of time this year ;)
[21:04] <h00k> I concur, excellent work thus far.
[21:05] <andrejz> also in wiki you can find a testimonial from gnome translator group coordinator
[21:05] <czajkowski> andrejz: how do you plan on Establishing a system of quality control with the  Slovenian translators group ?
[21:05]  * ogra_cmpc is impressed as well
[21:05] <andrejz> the points bellow describe what has been already done
[21:06]  * popey hugs google chrome translate when clicking links to Slovenian sites
[21:06] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[21:06] <czajkowski> andrejz: did you encounter any problems?
[21:06] <andrejz> so basically informing both through mailing list (also adding people to the mailing list)
[21:06] <highvoltage> andrejz: you should poke ubuntu-news now and again to share the progress, we should let the larger community know of the work you're doing
[21:06] <Seveas> andrejz, I'm curious, why a jabber chatroom and not irc?
[21:06] <andrejz> also we created a chat group, where people can ask
[21:06] <czajkowski> andrejz: nice idea
[21:06] <andrejz> well, jabber is nice beacause it logs all the conversations
[21:07] <ogra_cmpc> irc does too :)
[21:07] <andrejz> so if anyone is offline, they can catch up everything once they log in
[21:07] <Seveas> ogra_cmpc, not with replay, unless everyone uses a bouncer :)
[21:07] <Seveas> I'm +1
[21:07] <popey> nice idea
[21:07] <highvoltage> I'm just going to cut to the chase and say +1
[21:07] <andrejz> and it's easy to use
[21:07] <ogra_cmpc> totally +1
[21:07] <andrejz> you just add one more contact
[21:07] <drubin> I am a +1
[21:07] <h00k> +1
[21:07] <popey> I like that I'm seeing Slovenian translations of announcements we put out, thats always nice to see..
[21:07] <stgraber> +1 too
[21:08] <Seveas> h00k, only board members vote.
[21:08] <andrejz> you don't need to login anywhere just your chat account
[21:08] <czajkowski> +1 also
[21:08] <h00k> Seveas: I forget...
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> hey, btw, didntt czajkowski ask to use mootbot ?
[21:08] <popey> oops
[21:08] <popey> next time :)
[21:08] <czajkowski> ogra_cmpc: I did
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[21:08] <popey> +1
[21:09] <popey> thats a full house I believe
[21:09] <Seveas> I think so too, but have trouble counting
[21:09] <ogra_cmpc> yup
[21:09] <popey> congratulations andrejz
[21:09] <Seveas> welcome aboard!
[21:09] <popey> Seveas: shall I?
[21:09] <czajkowski> shall we use MootBot for the rest?
[21:09] <andrejz> thank you
[21:09] <ogra_cmpc> congrats
[21:09] <highvoltage> congratulations and welcome andrejz
[21:09] <czajkowski> andrejz: well done
[21:09] <Seveas> czajkowski, if you know how to drive it, go ahead :)
[21:09] <andrejz> thanks for the welcome
[21:10] <thelinuxer> congratulations andrejz
[21:10] <czajkowski> #starmeeting
[21:10] <h00k> :) congrats
[21:10] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:10. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:10] <czajkowski> [topic] Jens Maucher
[21:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jens Maucher
[21:10] <czajkowski> defcon: care to tell us about yourself
[21:10] <defcon> hello. my name is jens.
[21:11] <defcon> i'm most active in translations and local activities
[21:11] <defcon> for more informations you can have a look on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JensMaucher
[21:11] <highvoltage> 1886 answer tracker points, not bad!
[21:12] <defcon> feel free to ask if you want to know something :)
[21:12] <czajkowski> defcon: can you tell me about the ubuntu-events-de and what it's about ?
[21:13] <defcon> czajkowski, i'm new in the ubuntu-events-de group, but i want to be part of some local events in my neighborhod
[21:13] <czajkowski> defcon: are you involve in your LoCo ?
[21:13] <highvoltage> defcon: what activities do you do as part of the ubuntu-hams group?
[21:14] <defcon> highvoltage, well, i'm trying hamdradio software and build software for hams
[21:15] <h00k> defcon: I also have taken a liking to Diving, I should contact you sometime about my dive-logging software I'm writing up.
[21:15] <czajkowski> defcon: is there anyone where from your team to cheer you on ?
[21:16] <defcon> czajkowski, i hope so :-) julius bloch
[21:16] <defcon> i hope i understood you question
[21:16] <Seveas> A testimonial from julius would help
[21:17] <Seveas> Because while the work looks good, there are no testimonials at all from others on your wikipage. Especially for local offline work such as events, testimonials and reports are very important
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> or anyone else from the german team
[21:17] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: like you? :)
[21:17] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, i must admit i'm not very active in the german community
[21:17] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on Jens Maucher / defcon application.  Only Board members vote
[21:17] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote on Jens Maucher / defcon application.  Only Board members vote.
[21:17] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:17] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:17] <defcon> i can ask him, but 2 days ago he wrote in the mailinglist that he very busy (famliy and work) that there is no time in next
[21:18] <czajkowski> -1
[21:18] <Seveas> -1
[21:18] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:18] <MootBot> -1 received from Seveas. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:18] <czajkowski> insufficent information on the wiki sorry.
[21:18] <ogra_cmpc> 0
[21:18] <Seveas> Due to reasons given above
[21:18] <ogra_cmpc> +0
[21:18] <MootBot> Abstention received from ogra_cmpc. 0 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:18] <popey> -1
[21:18] <highvoltage> +0 [ great work so far, but I'd like to see some testimonials and more solid documentation ]
[21:18] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:18] <MootBot> -1 received from popey. 0 for, 3 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -3
[21:18] <popey> ditto
[21:18] <drubin> -0
[21:18] <drubin> missing info.
[21:18] <Seveas> drubin, I'm afraid -0 doesn't work
[21:18] <drubin> +0
[21:18] <MootBot> Abstention received from drubin. 0 for, 3 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -3
[21:18] <czajkowski> #endvote
[21:18] <drubin> Seveas: Thanks.
[21:18] <czajkowski> ogra_cmpc: whats the end vote command
[21:19] <Seveas> [endvote]
[21:19] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:19] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 3 against. 3 abstained. Total: -3
[21:19] <drubin> defcon: Your work looks great but would be good to hear from others.
[21:19] <stgraber> +0
[21:19] <czajkowski> [topic] Netanel Shine / netshine
[21:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Netanel Shine / netshine
[21:19] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, some more testimonials
[21:19] <Seveas> netshine, are you there?
[21:19] <netshine> sure.
[21:19] <czajkowski> netshine: can you tell us about yourself please
[21:19] <stgraber> czajkowski: you ended that vote a bit too early ;)
[21:19] <netshine> just waiting :)
[21:19] <czajkowski> stgraber: sorry!
[21:19] <netshine> ok, my name is netanel shine. an active user in the israeli ubuntu loco
[21:19] <highvoltage> defcon: We'd all like to see you become a member, it would be great if you could apply again in the future with more testimonials and more details of the work that you've been doing
[21:20] <netshine> you can see my contributes and activites in my wiki page
[21:20] <netshine> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/netshine)
[21:20] <defcon> highvoltage, ok
[21:20] <netshine> recently uploaded gnome-paint project to launchpad..
[21:20] <Seveas> netshine, what kind of things does hamakor do? And how do you divide your time between hamakor and ubuntu?
[21:21] <netshine> Hamakor is an foundation
[21:21] <netshine> so its side by side next to the israeli loco
[21:21] <highvoltage> Hamakor has a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamakor
[21:21] <popey> anyone here to cheer for netshine ?
[21:21] <netshine> Hamakor gonna set up an big event next mounth
[21:22] <czajkowski> Ddorda: ?
[21:22] <Ddorda> czajkowski: ?
[21:22] <Seveas> netshine, what kind of event and what will you be doing there?
[21:22] <highvoltage> netshine: where are you most active directly in Ubuntu?
[21:22] <netshine> highvoltage: the israeli loco
[21:23] <netshine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Penguin
[21:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Penguin
[21:23] <netshine> thats the event.
[21:23] <drubin> Ddorda: Care to cheer on for netshine
[21:23] <highvoltage> netshine: what type of activities do you do in your loco team?
[21:23] <netshine> mainly helps in the irc channel,,
[21:23] <Ddorda> netshine is great guy, a nice man, and you can always see him on #ubuntu-il channel
[21:24] <netshine> and helping where i can.
[21:24] <Seveas> Ddorda, do you think we should make him an Ubuntu member?
[21:24] <Ddorda> Seveas: i guess so, he is one of the most seen users in our LoCo
[21:24] <netshine> also, helping to translating the meetings (irc loco meetings)
[21:24] <highvoltage> Ddorda: we typically don't give people membership for just being users though ;)
[21:25] <moshe742> he is willing to help any one any time too
[21:25] <highvoltage> any further questions?
[21:25] <czajkowski> moshe742: how do you think netshine helps your team ?
[21:25] <Ddorda> highvoltage: well, he helps a lot, he gives a lot of support and takes part in any project he can
[21:26] <Ddorda> as much as i see it
[21:26] <netshine> lateely more work is created around for me and a i aliitle bit less available.. but when i can, i help
[21:26] <drubin> netshine: How do you bring ubuntu into August Penguin? and Hamakor
[21:26] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the Netanel Shine/ netshine application. Only board members vote
[21:26] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the Netanel Shine/ netshine application. Only board members vote.
[21:26] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:26] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:26] <Seveas> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from Seveas. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:26] <highvoltage> +1 [ active contributor within loco team ]
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:26] <moshe742> he is helping and wants the best for the loco
[21:26] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:26] <czajkowski> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:26] <drubin> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:26] <Seveas> highvoltage, ooooh, it does do comments!
[21:26] <stgraber> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:26] <Seveas> one more vote
[21:27] <popey> +0
[21:27] <MootBot> Abstention received from popey. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:27] <highvoltage> Seveas: yeah I can't imagine voting without it!
[21:27] <Seveas> ok, that makes 7
[21:27] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:27] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 6
[21:27] <czajkowski> Seveas: Thank you :p
[21:27] <popey> congratulations netshine
[21:27] <Seveas> welcome aboard netshine!
[21:27] <ogra_cmpc> congrats netshine
[21:27] <Ddorda> god i miss the old days when bots didn't spam here on votes :D
[21:27] <czajkowski> netshine: well done
[21:27] <highvoltage> congratulations netshine and welcome
[21:27] <moshe742> congrats netshine:)
[21:27] <netshine> thank you all (including my local group)
[21:27] <ogra_cmpc> Ddorda, easier to count :)
[21:27] <czajkowski> ok moving on
[21:27] <czajkowski> [topic] Raphaël Hertzog / buxy
[21:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Raphaël Hertzog / buxy
[21:28] <buxy> Hi, I'm Raphaël Hertzog, I have been involved in Debian since 1998 where I contributed lots of stuff. Nowadays I concentrate on dpkg/dpkg-dev and general (QA) infrastructure. My main interest here is in helping Ubuntu and Debian to better cooperate. I hope to contribute towards this with better documentation/communication and with articles sent to both Planet Ubuntu and Planet Debian.
[21:28] <ogra_cmpc> buxy !
[21:28] <czajkowski> buxy: aloha
[21:28] <Seveas> Instant +1, serious debian/ubuntu work.
[21:28] <buxy> More on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaphaelHertzog and on http://RaphaelHertzog.com
[21:28] <buxy> hi everybody
[21:28] <highvoltage> +1 [ outstanding work in Utnubu, bug fixes in Ubuntu and general awesome work in Debian that overflows in Ubuntu ]
[21:28] <ogra_cmpc> +1 without hearing anything
[21:28] <stgraber> +1
[21:28] <Seveas> czajkowski, you might want to start the vote :)
[21:28] <ogra_cmpc> i know buxy from early #ubuntu-motu days
[21:28] <highvoltage> I've read his blog before blogs even existed
[21:29] <czajkowski> buxy: can you just tell me how else you'd like to help Ubuntu.
[21:29] <buxy> glad to help you in getting back to schedule that was slippin a bit with 14 applications :)
[21:29] <czajkowski> buxy: you're future goals are just a bit sparse
[21:30] <buxy> czajkowski: like I said in the short paste, my short term goals are around better communication between both projects in particular for newcomers that join in both sides
[21:30] <popey> worth noting that buxy got a testimonial from sabdfl via email
[21:30] <highvoltage> czajkowski: he's part of the Utnubu revival, Utnubu is Ubuntu spellt backwards, it's the collaboration layer between debian and ubuntu, that's pretty important imho :)
[21:31] <czajkowski> highvoltage: aye I'm aware of it
[21:31] <czajkowski> just wanted to hear from buxy
[21:31] <buxy> I don't plan to do much technical work currently that's why I came here and not to DMB
[21:31] <zkriesse_> scott_ev: Ya still here?
[21:31] <scott_ev> yes
[21:31] <zkriesse_> Cool
[21:32] <Seveas> zkriesse_, there's a meeting in progress. Please don't interrupt.
[21:32] <buxy> my technical work will start in Debian and I'm glad I have responsive ubuntu maintainers for my packages currently so I don't need to dive myself :)
[21:32] <buxy> (thanks to Kamion mainly for dpkg)
[21:32] <czajkowski> buxy: cool
[21:33] <ogra_cmpc> buxy, he is cjwatson around here ;)
[21:33] <czajkowski> any other comments folks ?
[21:33] <MichealH> Dont think so
[21:33]  * ajmitch thinks he'd be a great addition as a member
[21:33] <buxy> ogra_cmpc: right, in OFTC too lately, I'm just not used to it :)
[21:33] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[21:33] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on Raphaël Hertzog / buxy application.  Only board members vote
[21:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on Raphaël Hertzog / buxy application.  Only board members vote.
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[21:33] <Seveas> +1
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from Seveas. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:33] <popey> +1
[21:33] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:33] <ajmitch> more debian people is a good thing :)
[21:33] <highvoltage> +1
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:33] <stgraber> +1
[21:33] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:34] <czajkowski> +1
[21:34] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:34] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:34] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[21:34] <popey> czajkowski: woah
[21:34] <czajkowski> buxy: welcome :)
[21:34] <Seveas> missed one
[21:34] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[21:34] <Seveas> there's 7 of us :)
[21:34] <czajkowski> bah
[21:34] <buxy> thank you all
[21:34] <Seveas> anyway, glad to have you aboard buxy
[21:34] <highvoltage> buxy: welcome officially to the ubuntu family!
[21:34] <ogra_cmpc> congrats buxy
[21:34] <h00k> Congrats!
[21:34] <drubin> blah I also voted +1
[21:34] <MichealH> vitium: Just in time !!!
[21:35] <Seveas> drubin, be faster than czajkowski next time :)
[21:35] <MichealH> 2 secs though
[21:35] <drubin> I had less then a minute!
[21:35] <czajkowski> ok moving on
[21:35] <zkriesse_> Congrats buxy welcome to the family
[21:35] <czajkowski> [topic] Micheal Harker / MichealH
[21:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Micheal Harker / MichealH
[21:35] <MichealH> Hi, I am MichealH, Admin of the Ubuntu Youth Project and a Ubuntu Forums contributor. I am here tonight/this afternoon to apply for a membership because of my contributions to the Ubuntu Community. Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Micheal_Harker (Links fixed) Thanks!
[21:35] <highvoltage> MichealH: I've never heard of the Ubuntu Youth Project before, what does it do?
[21:36]  * ogra_cmpc neither
[21:36] <MichealH> It basically is a group of youths who use Ubuntu who help in the main categoies and groups of Ubuntu
[21:36] <MichealH> They contribute to the community over Forums, IRC ect.
[21:36] <vitium> It also encourages new young members & helps them when learning Ubuntu related stuff
[21:37] <MichealH> I have the forum links fixed too
[21:37] <Seveas> You're doing the youth team since four days and list almost no other contributions. Also no testimonials at all.
[21:37] <highvoltage> -1 [ insufficient information on application of significant sustained contribution ]
[21:37] <Seveas> That's seriously lacking and I don't think I can do a positive vote.
[21:37] <MichealH> Seveas: I do have a atestimonial and vitium here is supporting me
[21:38] <Seveas> vitium, good.  I've never heard of it before, how does it relate to UWN and why does it need to be seperate?
[21:39] <MichealH> highvoltage: It is like Full Circle Magazine but for begineers and the suh
[21:39]  * ogra_cmpc was wondering that too, especially since UWN always looks for contributors
[21:39] <MichealH> *such
[21:39] <ajmitch> from what I can see, it was first out a week ago?
[21:39] <czajkowski> MichealH: why not talk to the UWN folks
[21:39] <Ddorda> i g2g, just want to mention that alonswartz deserves to get in! sorry for disturbing. bye
[21:39] <MichealH> ajmitch: No 4 weeks ago
[21:40] <vitium> Seveas He has only been in the community for a few weeks and already has taken over the management on the previously dead Ubuntu Youth community and has already kick started a project.
[21:40] <MichealH> czajkowski: UWN folks?
[21:40] <czajkowski> MichealH: Ubuntu weekly news
[21:40] <MichealH> Ahhh...
[21:40] <MichealH> I am also helping in #ubuntu at the moment
[21:40] <Seveas> vitium, Ubuntu membership is a recognition of a sustained, significant contribution. What you say fails at least sustained. And I'm unsure about significant as well.
[21:40] <MichealH> as I usually do when I can
[21:41] <MichealH> Seveas: I acctually have been Ubuntu'in for 4 years now!
[21:41] <czajkowski> MichealH: I do appreciate your enthuasim, I think it'd be wise for you to get to know some of the groups that are already doing some of the work you've shown an interest in
[21:41] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on Micheal Harker / MichealH applicaton.  Only board members vote.
[21:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on Micheal Harker / MichealH applicaton.  Only board members vote..
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[21:41] <highvoltage> -1 [ insufficient information on application of significant sustained contribution ]
[21:41] <MootBot> -1 received from highvoltage. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:41] <Seveas> -1
[21:41] <MootBot> -1 received from Seveas. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:41] <drubin> -1 [n]
[21:41] <MootBot> -1 received from drubin. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3
[21:41] <ogra_cmpc> -1
[21:41] <MootBot> -1 received from ogra_cmpc. 0 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4
[21:42] <czajkowski> -1
[21:42] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -5
[21:42] <stgraber> -1
[21:42] <MootBot> -1 received from stgraber. 0 for, 6 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -6
[21:42] <popey> -1
[21:42] <MootBot> -1 received from popey. 0 for, 7 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -7
[21:42] <MichealH> Oh well :(
[21:42] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:42] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 7 against. 0 abstained. Total: -7
[21:42] <popey> !membership | MichealH
[21:42] <popey> that page does detail what we look for
[21:42] <popey> and I think the 'sustained and significant' is the bit you fall down on
[21:42] <MichealH> I know but I still do try and contribute when I acam
[21:42] <popey> enthusiasm and motivation is clearly high
[21:42] <MichealH> *can
[21:43] <popey> keep going though!
[21:43] <MichealH> Ok
[21:43] <ogra_cmpc> MichealH, you should definately come back but put some time under your belt thats a bit better documented
[21:43] <czajkowski> [topic] Roy Jamison / xteejx
[21:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roy Jamison / xteejx
[21:43] <MichealH> Ohh almost forgot I am also redesigning or helping to redesigh Ubuntu UK websit
[21:43] <MichealH> *website
[21:43] <czajkowski> MichealH: we can talk after meeting we're moving on
[21:43] <highvoltage> over 7000!
[21:43] <Seveas> xteejx seems not to be here
[21:44] <highvoltage> (sorry that's a way too -in-joke for here)
[21:44] <czajkowski> [topic] Nils-Christoph Fiedler
[21:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Nils-Christoph Fiedler
[21:44] <nils1> hi!
[21:44] <nils1> hi, my name is nils! i am a low german translator and coordinate several translation teams like ubuntu-l10n-nds, lp-l10n-nds, nds on tp and gnome upstream. and i do all that since spring/summer 2009.
[21:44] <nils1> here is my personal wiki on ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nils-ChristophFiedler
[21:44] <Seveas> there's nothing low about translation work
[21:44] <nils1> what do you mean?
[21:45] <czajkowski> Seveas: it's a form of the language I think
[21:45] <popey> he is attempting humour
[21:45] <czajkowski> from what I've read
[21:45] <popey> and failing
[21:45] <nils1> right
[21:45] <nils1> i already applied for membership in march this year, but you told me, that i shall come back when ive contributed about half a year in whole or so, because there would be a guideline just to give membership to those people. i missed one month last time. so now its 4 month later and here i am again! :-)
[21:45] <popey> welcome back!
[21:45] <popey> what have you done in the 4 months since then? :)
[21:46] <Seveas> no, i was not attempting humour
[21:46] <Seveas> just misunderstanding
[21:46] <ogra_cmpc> Seveas, niederdeutsch
[21:46] <highvoltage> nils1: you should have linked to https://launchpad.net/~xteejx/+related-software - it showcases some of your bug work quite nicely
[21:46] <ogra_cmpc> Seveas, in case your german is good enough :)
[21:46] <Seveas> yeah, reading wikipage now, it's becoming clearer :)
[21:46] <Seveas> highvoltage, nils1 != xteejx
[21:46] <nils1> sorry, must have been a key combination.. just loggod off
[21:46] <Seveas> highvoltage, https://launchpad.net/~ncfiedler
[21:46] <ogra_cmpc> Seveas, deatils :P
[21:47] <drubin> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ncfiedler/+karma
[21:48] <Seveas> nils1, how many other translators work on low german in Ubuntu?
[21:48] <nils1> at the time i guess no other one
[21:48] <nils1> there are some on the team
[21:48] <nils1> but most of them are active in standard german most of the time
[21:48] <drubin> Can some one explain how Low German is different from normal German? ;-p
[21:48] <Seveas> have you tried to contact them and ask why they are not active?
[21:49] <popey> drubin: the wiki page explains ti
[21:49] <popey> *it
[21:49] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on Nils-Christoph Fiedler / nils1 . Board members only
[21:49] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on Nils-Christoph Fiedler / nils1 . Board members only.
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[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:49] <czajkowski> +1
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:49] <nils1> i did but in the last weeks my examination at university startet so i had not much time ..
[21:49] <drubin> +1
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:49] <popey> I am impressed that you've come back after continuing to work hard, and working in a small team translating a "lesser" language must be tough..
[21:49] <highvoltage> +1 [ was +0.5'ing but bowing under peer pressure ]
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:49] <popey> +1
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:50] <Seveas> +1
[21:50] <MootBot> +1 received from Seveas. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:50] <popey> wait for it... czajkowski
[21:50] <popey> :)
[21:50] <stgraber> +1
[21:50] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[21:50] <popey> bam!
[21:50] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:50] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 7
[21:50] <czajkowski> popey: :p
[21:50] <popey> congratulations nils1 !
[21:50] <drubin> congrats
[21:50] <nils1> hej, thank you!
[21:50] <Seveas> welcome aboard nils1 and thanks for retrying!
[21:50] <highvoltage> nils1: congratulations ans welcome!
[21:50] <ogra_cmpc> glueckwunsch nils1
[21:50] <nils1> hihi, danke!
[21:51] <czajkowski> [topic] Majd Almontaser  ttmt
[21:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Majd Almontaser  ttmt
[21:51] <Seveas> MIA, next!
[21:51] <czajkowski> hmm not present
[21:51] <czajkowski> [topic] Steffan Wood  steffan
[21:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Steffan Wood  steffan
[21:52] <czajkowski> steffan: aloha!
[21:52] <steffan> Hi, I'm Steffan! My contributions to Ubuntu have been support in the IRC channels over the past two years, answering questions on Launchpad and distributing over 200 Ubuntu Live CDs to Internet cafes, libraries and educational facilities that don't have the required funding to purchase closed-source OSs/software, and filing the occasional bug report along the way.
[21:52] <highvoltage> steffan: how long have you been providing support on #ubuntu?
[21:52] <steffan> From now on, I plan on getting involved in Ubuntu packagaing and become a MOTU, and also to carry on with my current contributions but incrase the scale of Ubuntu distribution in my community. My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WoodSteffan.
[21:53] <czajkowski> steffan: are there any other future goals you;d like to see in the community/ubuntu/irc ?
[21:54] <steffan> highvoltage: I started around two years ago, as I have learnt more I have been able to provide more support so since around Spring 09 I have been providing support for about 4/5 hours per day.
[21:54] <ogra_cmpc> nice set of testimonials
[21:54] <Seveas> very nice set
[21:54] <popey> wow, yeah
[21:54] <czajkowski> aye testimonials ++
[21:54] <h00k> I'm here on behaf of steffan, I've seen him around in #ubuntu giving support, I believe he is a good candidate for an Ubuntu Membership
[21:54] <popey> high praise
[21:54] <Seveas> I know almost all of the people on that list
[21:54]  * ogra_cmpc likes the last one most
[21:55] <ogra_cmpc> (being former lead of edubuntu)
[21:55] <steffan> czajkowski: Hi, I think the layout of Ubuntu/IRC is perfect for the time being, one thing I did have in mind (and I'm not sure if this is the right place to mention it) is the IRC Council creating #ubuntu-ipv6 (for obvious reasons).
[21:55] <bazhang> I'm here as well, steffan is often around giving very helpful answers on #ubuntu
[21:55] <drubin> woohoo nice
[21:55] <highvoltage> I'm ready to vote
[21:55] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on Steffan Wood  steffan application.  ONly board members vote
[21:55] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on Steffan Wood  steffan application.  ONly board members vote.
[21:55] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:55] <drubin> +1
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:55] <highvoltage> +1 [ sustained contributions, good testimonials from other Ubuntu members, showing intent to move up further ]
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:55] <czajkowski> steffan: thanks for answering
[21:55] <Seveas> +1
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from Seveas. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:55] <czajkowski> +1
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:55] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:55] <popey> +1
[21:55] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:55] <czajkowski> waits...
[21:55] <popey> awesome work, I admire anyone who can withstand the onslaught of #ubuntu!
[21:56] <stgraber> +1
[21:56] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[21:56] <popey> \o/
[21:56] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:56] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 7
[21:56] <czajkowski> stgraber: you're killing me dude! :)
[21:56] <drubin> steffan: That last testimonial is what it is all about!
[21:56] <popey> congratulations steffan !
[21:56] <steffan> popey, Seveas, ogra_cmpc: Thank you about the testimonials, I appreiciate it and you are lucky to have those great guys onboard!
[21:56] <h00k> Congrats, steffan!
[21:56] <drubin> congratulations!
[21:56] <LjL> congratulations steffan
[21:56] <czajkowski> [topic] Gerfried Fuchs /  Rhonda
[21:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Gerfried Fuchs /  Rhonda
[21:56] <bazhang> nicely done steffan well deserved
[21:56] <steffan> Cheers all!
[21:57] <czajkowski> Rhonda: aloha there
[21:57] <highvoltage> This is also going to be a super-easy
[21:57] <highvoltage> This is also going to be a super-easy +1 from me
[21:57] <czajkowski> Rhonda: you here ?