[18:27] <holstein> madnick: \o/
[18:27] <madnick> :)
[18:29] <holstein> Scott actually just ran out to UDS
[18:29] <holstein> madnick: are you there too?
[18:29] <holstein> or going?
[18:29] <madnick> Nope


[02:28] <L_Y> what should i do if i want to let a program run by it self in minimize?
[02:29] <jmarsden> L_Y: minimize?  On a server?  Normally you would just do   nohup programname &    # to run a prog in the background "by itself", is that what you mean?
[02:30] <L_Y> i want to let the thunderbird run by itself in the background
[02:30] <jmarsden> Thunderbird needs a GUI... why would you want it in the background?
[02:32] <jmarsden> Ubuntu server does not come with X and does not come with Gnome or KDE or any other X windowing desktop environment, so Thunderbird won't run on ubuntu server unless you do a lot of manual work to add X... are you sure this is for a server?
[02:33] <jmarsden> You are in #ubuntu-server :)
[05:12] <Elite> okay wth, I have samba installed and when I try to go and "connect"(double click the server in windows) and I type in the root user and pass etc then it tells me that the login was not successfu
[08:31] <kev009_> has anyone here set up ubuntu to do an nfsroot and boot off tftp/pxelinux?
[11:20] <Blinkiz> After a clean installation of hardy server it took about 20MB of RAM according htop. Intrepid server takes around 100MB of RAM. What is the difference here? What does the 2.6.27 kernel do so htop says it's using 100MB of RAM?
[12:07] <daaaaniiieeeel> Hello.. I think i've locked myself out from SSH on my server :) It's a blocked port issue.. I'm not sure wether it's my ISP that's blocking the server or if it's something on the server itself
[12:08] <daaaaniiieeeel> Changed from default port 22 to port 1987 and it basically stopped working
[12:08] <daaaaniiieeeel> Would anyone like to try to login? so i could see if it's my ISP that's causing the problem
[12:09] <erichammond> msg me the IP address and I'll check the port.
[12:10] <daaaaniiieeeel> I did an NMAP scan and port 1987 it returns: Filtered
[12:11] <erichammond> daaaaniiieeeel: I'm not getting any response (no connection, no rejection) on that port either.
[12:12] <daaaaniiieeeel> Ok but you can access the server on http (port 80) right?
[12:12] <erichammond> daaaaniiieeeel: yep, it's good
[12:13] <daaaaniiieeeel> Ok so did i forget something important when i switched from port 22 to 1987? i edited the /etc/sshd.conf file.. and then restarted ssh deamon
[12:13] <daaaaniiieeeel> logged out
[12:13] <daaaaniiieeeel> which was a bad idea :P
[12:13] <daaaaniiieeeel> now i'm locked out
[12:13] <erichammond> daaaaniiieeeel: Yep, always verify you can get back in before leaving.
[12:14] <daaaaniiieeeel> newbie mistake huh ><
[12:14] <daaaaniiieeeel> bah.. so now i need physical access to the server right?
[12:14] <erichammond> Folks who really like safety set up a timer which switches back to the old sshd config.
[12:14] <erichammond> This is also nice for testing iptables changes
[12:15] <erichammond> yep, unless you can find a security hole in your web server :)
[12:15] <daaaaniiieeeel> rofl
[12:15] <daaaaniiieeeel> oh damn
[12:16] <daaaaniiieeeel> So what do you think may be the issue?
[12:16] <daaaaniiieeeel> iptables?
[12:17] <erichammond> Perhaps a firewall on the system or in front of it?
[12:18] <daaaaniiieeeel> Well as i said i did an nmap scan on the port
[12:18] <daaaaniiieeeel> and on other ports it says "closed"
[12:18] <daaaaniiieeeel> but on this it says "filtered"
[12:18] <daaaaniiieeeel> which makes me wonder
[12:18] <daaaaniiieeeel> sounds like a firewall issue
[12:19] <daaaaniiieeeel> but is there a way to find out if it's the actual server or something infront of it?
[12:19] <daaaaniiieeeel> I'm guessing it's something infront, because i tested switching ports on my local virtual ubuntu server
[12:19] <daaaaniiieeeel> and it worked just fine with any port
[12:19] <daaaaniiieeeel> and it's basically the same configuration
[12:21] <kev009_> how do I create a proper fat client for nfs boot?
[12:22] <erichammond> daaaaniiieeeel: I'm going to bow out at this point.  It's past 4am and I need a bit of sleep before the kids wake me up.
[12:22] <daaaaniiieeeel> hehe ok
[12:22] <daaaaniiieeeel> cheers
[13:38] <cheetiong> hi, any body know how to modify the initrd file? i have try to use cpio command to extract this file, then modify some thing, then cpio it again to be a initrd file, but boot got kernel panic?
[13:40] <ogra> you usually dont modify initramfs directly, what exactly do you want to change ?
[13:43] <cheetiong> ogra: hi thank reply, i need to change some settings inside this initram file, because need to add driver on this live cd? please teach me.
[13:43] <ogra> so you are remastering a liveCD ?
[13:44] <ogra> if so, you can just put a line for the driver into /etc/modules ... just make sure you run the update-initramfs command afterwards and the driver will end up in your new initramfs
[13:45] <ogra> (indeed the driver needs to exist in the /lib/modules dir for your kernel)
[13:46] <cheetiong> ogra: ic, i have try to open the initrd file by cpio command, then add some file, after that cpio back to initrd file, then cannot boot got errors: kernal panic?
[13:47] <ogra> right, dont edit it directly
[13:48] <ogra> update-initramfs will assemble the filesystem for you from the files in the system, just make sure they are there when running that program ...
[13:49] <ogra> (see man update-initramfs)
[13:49] <cheetiong> ogra: ok issue the command update-initramfs are already boot into this livecd, then i restart this livecd then the driver still remain same, because the CD is readonly..?
[13:50] <ogra> right, that wont work
[13:50] <cheetiong> ogra: u mean cannot change the livecd at all?
[13:51] <cheetiong> ogra: because that livecd dont have my system latest new network card driver...:-(
[13:51] <ogra> you cant update a liveCD thats burned already ...
[13:51] <ogra> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[13:51] <cheetiong> ogra: ok thank.
[13:51] <ogra> you can modify the iso ... before you burn it to disk
[13:52] <cheetiong> ogra: thank you very much.
[14:43] <AshTray-> Need a little help please. Dovecot it's not working anymore. It's restarting.. http://pastebin.ath.cx/m6021d3d4 but it's not working... http://blt.ath.cx/squirrelmail/src/login.php
[15:05]  * delcoyote hi
[15:52] <cheetiong> anybody experience about using linux as a client then connect to openVMS server via telnet, but the keyboard function key for openVMS i cannot find in linux, anybody know the solution?
[16:34] <AshTray-> Need help making a print server
[17:09] <AshTray-> Please help. I have a problem with my hp 3320 printer... http://pastebin.com/m23cd9f3b
[19:12] <AshTray-> How to make an user for vsFTPd ?
[20:15] <yann2_> when is the next ubuntu-server meeting?
[20:50]  * yann2_ going to add this to the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/WebArchitecture
[22:00] <mcas> if i use /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-gencert to generate a cert for exim then i get the message that the cert was deprecated(?)
[22:00] <mcas> sorry i don't now the correct word at the moment
[22:00] <mcas> the cert was valid to AUG of this year
[22:01] <mcas> but i run the script 5 minutes ago
[22:01] <mcas> has someone the same bug?
[22:01] <mcas> its hardy heron server


[17:48] <Skyrider> And towards offtopic I go :p
[17:48] <nacc> Bray90820: `df -h /boot/`?
[17:48] <Bray90820> Thanks
[17:48] <guru> did u  get it?
[17:48] <nacc> Bray90820: that presumes it is its own partition
[17:48] <nacc> Bray90820: if it is not, the question doesn't make sense :)
[17:48] <Bashing-om> guru: Run ' sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . The result is a URL back in terminal . Pass that link back here .
[17:49] <younder> jamie_1, chromium os?
[17:49] <Bray90820> nacc: That was exactly what I wanted thanks
[17:49] <nacc> Bray90820: np
[17:49] <jamie_1> younder: ?
[17:49] <joescript> its cool aurnandace
[17:49] <younder> jamie_1, as in what about chromium os?
[17:50] <jamie_1> younder: no thanks lol, chromium is a good laugh, with what might be coming with it maybe, but as of right now chromium is not something i would invest my time in
[17:50] <guru> will it work without the packages?
[17:51] <Bashing-om> !tab | guru
[17:52] <Guru2> !tab
[17:52] <Guru2> Bashing-om:
[17:52] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  so will it work ? becuase run command is not found
[17:53] <Redfoxmoon> I've got a Dell laptop with second gen intel chipset, C/200 audio controller, snd-hda-intel module is loaded; but I get no sound
[17:53] <Guru2> Bashing-om: Run: command not found
[17:53] <Redfoxmoon> running up-to-date 16.04
[17:53] <Bashing-om> Guru2: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 - only in a termimal .. and it will work .
[17:54] <auronandace> Redfoxmoon: try running alsamixer to see if any channels are muted
[17:54] <Guru2> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/5pon
[17:54] <Redfoxmoon> auronandace, did; speaker was muted, unmuted
[17:54] <Redfoxmoon> still got the same issue
[17:55] <mqg> How to change the order of execution of services at startup?
[17:55] <ZarroBoogs> mqg: what release of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:55] <mqg> Ubuntu 16.04 and Ubuntu 14.04
[17:56] <ZarroBoogs> mqg: well, 16.04 uses systemd and 14.04 uses upstart, so there are different ways to do it on each release.
[17:56] <_leonardo> Is there any tutorial for using XChat-Gnome?
[17:56] <Redfoxmoon> auronandace, heh, helps to increase the volume...
[17:57] <isometric05> q: is there a known issue on Ubuntu 14.04.5 and installing via EFI?  Post-install in any virtual machine 14.04.5 EFI boot results in a black screen and a *hard* lock of the hypervisor. Tested on ESX and VirtualBox.  14.04.2 was working fine.
[17:57] <auronandace> Redfoxmoon: glad you got it sorted
[17:57] <Redfoxmoon> thanks :-)
[17:57] <sdexter> I am attempting to do upgradeson a 14.04 machine and getting the following error: files list file for package 'linux-generic' is missing final newline
[17:57] <EriC^^> isometric05: i think efi + ubuntu in vbox doesn't work
[17:57] <Bashing-om> Guru2: You are so cirrect .. NBR partioning .. and Windows has all 4 partions taken up . A few options . 1) is one of the partions a Windows recovery partition where you can copy it off to a storage medium ?
[17:57] <EriC^^> just windows works in uefi mode in vbox isometric05
[17:57] <mqg> I know change service order with upstart using update-rc.d but with systemd not
[17:57] <auronandace> _leonardo: probably best to move to hexchat
[17:57] <mqg> You can help me  ?
[17:57] <isometric05> EriC^^: weird... 14.04.2 was working.
[17:57] <sdexter> and /var/lib/dpkg/linux-generic.list is not a list at all
[17:58] <_leonardo> But I am on xubuntu
[17:58] <isometric05> ok
[17:58] <ZarroBoogs> mqg: for 16.04+ take a look at the dependency information here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Handling_dependencies for 14.04: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#start-depends-on-another-service
[17:58] <auronandace> _leonardo: hexchat is available in the repos, works fine on xubuntu
[17:58] <Guru2> i dont care about that
[17:58] <_leonardo> @auronandace I will try HexChat. Thank you!
[17:58] <EriC^^> isometric05: not sure, it's what i remember though
[17:58] <_leonardo> exit
[17:58] <Guru2> i just want to dual boot it and and off to my sis
[17:59] <EriC^^> isometric05: might be wrong
[17:59] <isometric05> EriC^^: just a weird change.  I don't see people running into it online, but I don't think a ton of people are looking at 14.04.5 in depth since 16.04 is out
[18:00] <isometric05> *esp* analyzing EFI boot. I think 14.04 was the first Ubuntu release to support it
[18:00] <Bashing-om> Guru2: Well .. as Windows has all four primary partitions taken up . Ya got to do something to allow the partition for ubuntu to install to .
[18:00] <Guru2> so how can i do that
[18:00] <EriC^^> isometric05: http://askubuntu.com/questions/566315/virtualbox-boots-only-in-uefi-interactive-shell
[18:00] <Guru2> i have all the drives empty
[18:00] <Guru2> so i have no issues with DATA LOSS
[18:01] <daum_> hey guys -  i have a t460 which has an integrated intel skylake graphics card, when i have dual monitors (one displayport+hdmi) hooked up, i get tons of flickering.  I read some people suggested upgrade my kernel to 4.7, but wanted to see what you guys suggest
[18:02] <SOUL_OF_ROOT_> Hi!
[18:02] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  so i have no issues with the losing any data , conisder that i had flashed the hardrive and then installed brand new windows yestrday
[18:02] <Guru2> and trying to install ubuntu today
[18:03] <auronandace> daum_: skylake is quite new so a newer kernel does work better, i used to have issues with videos in vlc on 16.04 but on 16.10 it works fine (4.8 kernel so skylake is better supported)
[18:03] <daum_> auronandace, did you also install https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-update-tool-linux-os-v2.0.2 ?
[18:03] <auronandace> daum_: no
[18:04] <daum_> ok - so probably best for me to just look up how to install a 4.7/4.8 kernel? i assume that is fine even though i'm on 16.04?
[18:05] <Bashing-om> Guru2: The thing is that presently all 4 partitions are in use .. there can be ONLY 4 primary partitions in a MBR scheme . Now you have to decide which Windows' partition you can delete and possibly shrink the Windows' operating system partition then .
[18:05] <auronandace> daum_: LTS releases also get access to newer kernels from newer releases so 4.8 from 16.10 should be available in 16.04
[18:06] <Guru2> Bashing-om: so i have installed windows in C drive so ui want me to shrink C? and install there?
[18:06] <daum_> ok will take a look to see hwo i do that upgrade, thanks!
[18:06] <isometric05> EriC^^: the issue isn't getting stuck at the EFI shell though.  We get a hard lockup at a black screen
[18:06] <sdexter> ugh it looks like a lot of them are corrupted too. bleh
[18:06] <EriC^^> isometric05: oh
[18:07] <isometric05> EriC^^: it's weird... the efi loader / kernel crashes so hard it takes virtualbox down with it on my desktop
[18:07] <isometric05> Our ESX nodes also lock up with the same issue.
[18:07] <isometric05> Disable EFI boot and everything works fine :-|
[18:08] <isometric05> also, it's post-install not pre.
[18:08] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  could u guide me through any link or some source where i can have look and follow up with the installtion?
[18:09] <Bashing-om> Guru2: NO ! I say again .. due to addressing , there can be ONLY 4 Primary partitions on the hard drive ( then we get into making that primary partition up as 'extended' and in this 'extended' is where ubuntu will be able to install . so you decide on which partition to delete .
[18:09] <auronandace> Guru2: you have 4 partitions already, you need to delete one to make room for ubuntu
[18:10] <EriC^^> Guru2: the last partition doesn't have a filesystem it seems, maybe use it?
[18:11] <Guru2> EriC^^:  how do i do that
[18:11] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  how would i do that
[18:11] <EriC^^> Guru2: go to gparted and delete it
[18:11] <EriC^^> then install ubuntu and choose alongside windows
[18:13] <Guru2> Root privileges are required for running gparted.
[18:13] <EriC^^> go to the dash and type gparted
[18:13] <EriC^^> (first icon on the left)
[18:14] <Bray90820> other flavors of ubuntu like Kubuntu and Lubuntu and stuff have the same kernel right
[18:14] <auronandace> Bray90820: yes
[18:14] <Bray90820> Alright
[18:15] <Guru2> EriC^^:  alright , i got it
[18:15] <HSD_> Hi - my 16.04 laptop tried to update and the kernal is nolonger valid.  what is the best way to copy my data to an external HD?  I am currently using it with a bootable usb
[18:15] <Bashing-om> Guru2: Bear in mind a 1st time install of ubuntu for the long term requires 30 Gigs of space .
[18:16] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  sure thing
[18:16] <EriC^^> HSD_: rsync
[18:17] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  right now suppose i delete a part and i use that , through windows i can use that partion right?
[18:17] <EriC^^> HSD_: you can boot an older kernel if you'd like
[18:17] <EriC^^> Guru2: not out of the box, windows doesn't support ext4
[18:17] <HSD_> Eric - thanks - I tried the older kernel and it didnt work
[18:18] <Bashing-om> Guru2: You are talking here about installing 2 separate OS .. Windows takes a bit of effort to get it to "see" ubuntu .
[18:18] <HSD_> i will try rsync
[18:18] <Guru2> suppose i choose a disk which has 200gb right now , can i allocation like only 50gb and allocate the rest 150 for the other part?
[18:18] <EriC^^> HSD_: oh, well to backup your stuff mount both partitions somewhere and then sudo rsync -av /path/to/stuff /path/to/mounted/exthdd
[18:19] <EriC^^> Guru2: you have around 500gb at the end
[18:19] <EriC^^> in partition #4 that doesn't have a filesystem
[18:19] <Guru2> Yes
[18:19] <Guru2>  i do
[18:19] <Guru2> EriC^^: yes i do
[18:20] <Guru2> EriC^^: yes there is no file system right
[18:20] <EriC^^> you could make an extended partition with it, and make 50gb for ubuntu and the rest a ntfs that windows will see and use
[18:20] <Guru2> EriC^^:  i had left that space becuase i could do that for the ubnutu
[18:20] <HSD_> Eric
[18:20] <Guru2> EriC^^: thats what i was about to do so i needed assitance :D
[18:21] <HSD_> Eric^^ thanks
[18:21] <EriC^^> HSD_: no problem
[18:21] <Guru2> EriC^^: okay i create a new on that unallocated drive right?
[18:21] <Guru2> EriC^^:  but i am kinda  of dumb , i need assitance so that i dont go wrong
[18:21] <EriC^^> Guru2: yeah, delete the 4th partition then create the extended one
[18:22] <Bashing-om> Guru2: A matter of sematics .. you presently have 1 hard drive of 1TB capacity .. and presently partitioned as MBR with ALL 4 partitions in use . Ubuntu sees this 1TB drive as 'sda' and on this sda are the 4 partitions sda1, sda2, sda3, sda4 . Ya got to delete ( Windows recovey ??) 1 of those primary partitions to become "unallocated" space .. the ubuntu installer will then deal with it .
[18:23] <Guru2> EriC^^:  help me wout with free space preceeding and following
[18:23] <EriC^^> Guru2: for the extended one use all the space, leave 0 space following it
[18:24] <Guru2> Bashing-om:  so u mean to say that first part i remove i have no issues at all?
[18:26] <sponge> If I have problems with my HD controller, will I see it in the syslog?
[18:26] <Bashing-om> Guru2: Once the empty partition is deleted .. then it is up to you what you want to do .. eric is great here to advise on "something else" .. or you have the option of "install alongside" and let the install wizard take care of all details .
[18:28] <Bashing-om> GinoManWorks: ^ however " install alongside" will not give you the option to make up a shared NTFS 'logical' partition .
[18:29] <GinoManWorks> You mean... Guru2?
[18:29] <OerHeks> always make space from within windows
[18:29] <Guru2> Bashing-om: sure , ill have a word with eric , thanks :)
[18:29] <Guru2> EriC^^:
[18:29] <Guru2> EriC^^:  right now i have this
[18:30] <Guru2> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408011/
[18:30] <EriC^^> Guru2: great
[18:30] <EriC^^> create now a logical partition for windows and leave the rest for ubuntu
[18:31] <Guru2> EriC^^: so right now my next step would be?
[18:31] <EriC^^> as unallocated space
[18:31] <plzhelpmeineedhe> I''m stupid or something, can someone help out with iptables?
[18:31] <plzhelpmeineedhe> On ubuntu 14.04 desktop.
[18:31] <plzhelpmeineedhe> I created a rule by running: sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -m iprange —src-range <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS> -j DROP
[18:31] <plzhelpmeineedhe> that should block connection to those ips in range, right?
[18:31] <plzhelpmeineedhe> why can I still ping them?
[18:32] <EriC^^> Guru2: make the windows partition inside the extended one with the space that's left from the ubuntu size
[18:32] <plzhelpmeineedhe> I do sudo iptables -L and see: DROP       all  —  anywhere             anywhere             source IP range <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:32] <EriC^^> Guru2: so around 630gb windows partition
[18:32] <plzhelpmeineedhe> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[18:32] <plzhelpmeineedhe> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=72.4 ms
[18:32] <plzhelpmeineedhe> still works
[18:33] <EriC^^> Guru2: ubuntu will be left with around 50gb to install to
[18:33] <Guru2> EriC^^: okay so file system shall be?
[18:33] <EriC^^> Guru2: ntfs
[18:33] <harrr> In which  file does ubuntu settings sound set how high you can scroll the volume?
[18:33] <Guru2> EriC^^: thanks
[18:33] <OerHeks> sudo iptables -A INPUT -s  <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -j DROP
[18:34] <EriC^^> harrr: try gsettings list-recursively | grep volume
[18:34] <plzhelpmeineedhe> OerHeks, but how do I block my PC from connecting to it?
[18:34] <Guru2> EriC^^: i have NTFS 560gb and rest around 60gb unallocated again
[18:34] <plzhelpmeineedhe> I want so no data to those IPs can leave my PC
[18:35] <Guru2> EriC^^: so do u really need 60gb for ubuntu?
[18:35] <EriC^^> Guru2: ok, cool, well that's a good size
[18:35] <Guru2> EriC^^: thanks
[18:35] <Guru2> EriC^^: now my next step of action would be?
[18:35] <harrr> Thank you. Shall I copy and paste the full output?
[18:36] <EriC^^> Guru2: save the changes and then click on install ubuntu on the desktop
[18:37] <harrr> gsettings list-recursively | grep volume
[18:37] <harrr> org.gnome.rhythmbox.player volume 1.0
[18:37] <harrr> org.gnome.FileRoller.Dialogs.New volume-size 2097152
[18:37] <harrr> org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.keyboard click-volume 0
[18:37] <harrr> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys volume-mute 'XF86AudioMute'
[18:37] <harrr> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys volume-up 'XF86AudioRaiseVolume'
[18:38] <Bray90820> Can someone help me with an error I am getting with autoremove
[18:38] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/hqknTtUW
[18:38] <Guru2> EriC^^:  finally is this how it should be? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408041/
[18:38] <EriC^^> Guru2: yeah
[18:38] <EriC^^> looks good
[18:39] <Guru2> EriC^^: thanks
[18:39] <Guru2> EriC^^: let me proceed further
[18:39] <EriC^^> !paste | harrr
[18:39] <EriC^^> harrr: none of those seem like the one
[18:39] <EriC^^> (i tried it here)
[18:39] <Guru2> EriC^^: i might reply you from :Guru" if at all anything happens here lol
[18:39] <EriC^^> ok :D
[18:40] <guru> EriC^^: test
[18:40] <EriC^^> :D
[18:40] <EriC^^> works
[18:40] <guru> EriC^^: woah i see install ubuntu alongside :D
[18:40] <Guest6906969> Hello. Ubuntu 16.04. Not having a problem just curious(for a server script). Is it sufficient to run smartmontools on a live machine for reporting? Relevant: https://www.maketecheasier.com/monitor-hard-disk-health-linux/
[18:41] <EriC^^> guru: great, go for it
[18:41] <guru> EriC^^:  write changes to disks?
[18:41] <guru> EriC^^:  a warning
[18:41] <EriC^^> guru: yup
[18:41] <Bashing-om> guru: :) would I lie to ya ?
[18:42] <guru> Bashing-om: lol noppe
[18:42] <spotter> is there a repo for the latest aws cli?  the one in yakkety is 1.10.1 which is very old, they are up to 1.10.38
[18:44] <sergiootl> test
[18:45] <harrr> I have asked the question on several ubuntu forums. Where can I ask the question?
[18:45] <Guest6906969> repeat your question
[18:47] <harrr> In which  file does ubuntu settings sound set how high you can scroll the volume?
[18:48] <ppf> harrr: isn't that always 100%?
[18:48] <ioria> harrr, man pactl
[18:49] <ioria> harrr, let me see if i can find a link  ...
[18:49] <harrr> On ubuntu 16.04 64bit mate desktop you have not the option to check 'allow louder than 100%'. I want to set mate sound to 200%.
[18:49] <ioria> harrr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/322486/increase-sound-level
[18:50] <OerHeks> lolz 200% .. get real, over 100% gives sound a bad hearing.
[18:50] <Guest6906969> OerHeks, known as clipping and distortion :)
[18:52] <OerHeks> 150% is the max you can damage your ears with
[18:52] <Guest6906969> OerHeks, lol, its a line level. thats irrelevant
[18:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> yea seriously, that's some terribly misleading information :P
[18:55] <harrr> I will start another computer that runs ubuntu 16.04 and test the command on mate desktop.
[18:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> clipping is often introduced in music intentionally, so to call it "bad" is not accurate.
[18:56] <viju> Hi, on terminal it suggested use sudo apt autoremove
[18:56] <viju> and now it's messing up with the bootloader and all. Is it something to be worried of?
[18:57] <ioria> viju, can you paste it ?
[18:57] <viju> It said following files are not required
[18:57] <Bashing-om> viju: define " messing up " .
[18:57] <OerHeks> viju, "and now it's messing up with the bootloader " can be totally normal, removing a kernel line from grub
[18:58] <viju> Looks like it's removing some old versions, but the last time I ran it just made my whole system unusable
[18:58] <OerHeks> be happy you don't have to do all those commands manually :-D
[18:58] <viju> ~pastebin
[18:58] <ioria> viju, probably you removed an old kernel, and grub has been reconfigured
[18:58] <Mojtaba> Hi, Does anyone know how to copy one directory to multiple destinations in parallel? (It is possible to do it in GUI; I want to do it in command line)
[18:58] <viju> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408122/
[19:00] <capoderra> hello, all. I've set up a raid 0 with 2 disks. I recently moved and I've wasted too much time trying to figure out what went wrong with my Ubuntu server, so I've decided to re-install. I was wonder if it was possible to pick up my two disks during the installation and continue where I left off, or if I would have to reconfigure a new raid 0 with the new installation of Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[19:00] <ioria> viju, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers*
[19:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> Mojtaba: why not symlink?
[19:00] <Mojtaba> NoImNotNineVolt: It is backup
[19:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> fair enough.
[19:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> use rsync for backups.
[19:01] <Guest6906969> capoderra, you can test this yourself by booting live and using mdadm to detect
[19:02] <viju> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408136/
[19:02] <Guest6906969> Mojtaba, kick of multiple scripts at same time with rsync?
[19:02] <capoderra> Guest6906969: I have booted from a live USB and used it to offload some stuff from md0 that I didn't want to lose
[19:02] <Guest6906969> capoderra, then you have your answer.
[19:03] <capoderra> Guest6906969: hot damn
[19:03] <Guest6906969> :)
[19:03] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello.
[19:03] <harrr> the command does not work. If you after entering the command, scroll the sound icon in the mate menu bar, you cannot scroll above 100%.
[19:04]  * gopi1410 waves
[19:04] <viju> Also, what do these lines mean?http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408148/
[19:04] <Mojtaba> Guest6906969: I want to do it in one shot. any command which can make it in parallel
[19:04] <harrr> In mate sound preferences you can scroll volume level above 100%.
[19:04] <Mojtaba> Any other thought?
[19:05] <Guest6906969> Mojtaba, i just answered that
[19:05] <capoderra> Guest6906969: so during install, I just install ubuntu server to my third disk and ignore the fact that I have two other disks?
[19:05] <EriC^^> Mojtaba: for i in /location1 /location2; do rsync -av /stuff "$i" &; done
[19:06] <Guest6906969> capoderra, IMO yes. You can add your RAID mounts afterward. FYI, you should make a backup in case things go wierd.
[19:06] <harrr> For some reason, non gnome desktops have no 'allow louder than 100%' option.
[19:06] <EriC^^> effectively what Guest6906969 suggested, in a command
[19:06]  * h4ckcod3r high fives
[19:06] <ioria> viju, ok, you don't have the linux-headers-4.4.0-31-generic (and i don't know why) ... but you get other errors ?
[19:06] <guru> EriC^^: woah thanks mannnn
[19:07] <guru> EriC^^:  everything great
[19:07] <capoderra> Guest6906969: The clouds just parted and a shaft of light is shinning down form the heavens. I hear music.
[19:07] <viju> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23408148/
[19:07] <EriC^^> guru: great, no problem
[19:07] <Guest6906969> capoderra, make your backups then break out the champagne.
[19:07] <guru> Bashing-om: thanks to you too
[19:07] <guru> EriC^^: chaoo good night
[19:07] <EriC^^> guru: thanks you too
[19:08] <Guest6906969> Hello. Ubuntu 16.04. Not having a problem just curious(for a server script). Is it sufficient to run smartmontools on a live machine for reporting? Relevant: https://www.maketecheasier.com/monitor-hard-disk-health-linux/
[19:08] <ioria> viju,  not sure it's related with the headers problem
[19:09] <ppf> Guest6906969: what do you mean by 'live machine'?
[19:09] <viju> ok
[19:09] <HSD_> Hi - I am trying to backup my home diretory from a 16.04 laptop.  the OS dies when it tried to auto update.  I could not boot to an old kernel.  My problem is usr/home/bob is unreadable.  how do I get the permissions back to copy photos and documents from /bob?
[19:09] <SpeakerToMeat> Guest6906969: And what kind of reporting
[19:10] <SpeakerToMeat> Guest6906969: smartctl (from smartmontools) should read the smart status in most disks (if smart is enabled in bios). And there's tests you can perform on live disks (with limitations)
[19:10] <EriC^^> HSD_: try sudo -i
[19:10] <EriC^^> then browse around
[19:10] <HuHa> HSD_: are you using an encrypted home directory?
[19:10] <heye> can anyone help with squashfs?
[19:10] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, I have a server that is sitting elsewhere on the net. It runs SSH(no pass) and accepts incoming connections for an rsync. Anyway, I have a reporting script on this box to email me reports and occasionally I want a status check(IP, df -h, etc). I also want to run a health check occasionally in case of SMART warning of HDD failures.
[19:10] <HSD_> eric^^ thanks - HuHa - no
[19:10] <Bashing-om> HSD_: Have you tried a file system check/repair on that partition ?
[19:11] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, that makes everyting a bit easier ;-)
[19:11] <HSD_> Bashing-om  - no
[19:11] <HSD_> Bashing-om  - on boot up I get a kenrel panic message
[19:12] <HuHa> HSD_: tried booting from a USB stick with a live system?
[19:12] <HuHa> HSD_: if that works, you can simply mount that partition
[19:13] <HSD_> I am using a bootable usb now.  (sudo mount usr/bob) ?
[19:13] <SpeakerToMeat> Guest6906969: Yes with smartmontools you could set up smartd to run (a daemon), and email you when something goes bump
[19:13] <HSD_> noob here...
[19:13] <Bashing-om> HSD_: Encryption a factor here on your /home ?
[19:13] <HuHa> HSD_: you need to find out where the home directory is - on what partition
[19:13] <HSD_> Bashing-om: none
[19:14] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, do you have experience with smartd? I am thinking of going that route but have some questions.
[19:14] <HSD_> HuHa: i can see it in the filemamager
[19:14] <HuHa> HSD_: then you are almost there
[19:15] <SpeakerToMeat> Guest6906969: Btw is this a dedicated server? running smart in a PVS is something your provider should do, not you
[19:15] <HuHa> HSD_: what filemanager are you using?
[19:15] <heye> ?
[19:15] <Bashing-om> HSD_: As you are already booted with a liveUSB . wont take much to run that file system check . what returns ' sudo fdisk -lu ' to identify the target .
[19:15] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, nope. a headless box sitting without kb/mouse/mon
[19:15] <HuHa> HSD_: and what flavour of Ubuntu, for that matter - plain Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu
[19:15] <HSD_> HuHa: ubuntu 14.04 filemanger
[19:15] <HSD_> HuHa: plain
[19:15] <HuHa> that would probably be Nautilus
[19:15] <ppf> Guest6906969: i still didn't understand your question
[19:16] <SpeakerToMeat> Guest6906969: Not much, I normally run smartctl by hand, but here's an old guide as a starting point, https://blog.shadypixel.com/monitoring-hard-drive-health-on-linux-with-smartmontools/ and the smartmontools manuals might help further.
[19:16] <HSD_> HuHa: it is what comes on the bootable usb
[19:16] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, thanks for the link.
[19:16] <ppf> sufficient in what way? what do you need exactly?
[19:16] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, some of the links ive found are terse on detail
[19:16] <HuHa> HSD_: do you have another machine in your network you could copy the stuff to?
[19:16] <SpeakerToMeat> Guest6906969: Yes but is this server yours to use whole? or is it divided (virtualized or otherwise)? If it's not under your control, it's up to the server's owner to do the checks.... and if it's under your control, and virtualized, you need to do this on Dom0
[19:17] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, yes, mine. it's a headless box.
[19:17] <HuHa> HSD_: or a NAS or a large USB stick that would take all the stuff in your home directory?
[19:17] <HSD_> HuHa: i was going to use an external hd
[19:17] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, that's fine
[19:17] <HuHa> HSD_: the simple way is to just plug that external HD in and use the filemanager to copy your stuff
[19:18] <HuHa> HSD_: the more advanced way would be to use a shell and "rsync" and keep time stamps etc. - if that is important to you
[19:18] <HSD_> HuHa: that is not working - "bob" is unreadable
[19:18] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, the URL content you provided is identical to the one i mentioned earlier. :) Someone plagarized the other heh
[19:18] <HuHa> HSD_: ah, ok, so you tried that already... of course it is a real possibility that your disk has a real hardware error
[19:18] <HuHa> HSD_: but since you are already this far, it can't get that much worse anyway
[19:19] <HuHa> HSD_: so we'll try to talk you through unmounting that disk and using "fsck" to check for filesystem errors
[19:19] <HSD_> HuHa: if i just copy all of "bob" will i be able to set new premissions?  (I can read the drive, but not the directory)
[19:20] <HSD_> HuHa: great
[19:20] <HuHa> HSD_: you won't even be able to copy anything if you can't read it
[19:20] <HSD_> HuHa: got it
[19:21] <HuHa> HSD_: you _could_ try with "sudo", but very likely when running from a USB stick you are already using user ID 1000 which is the default for "bob" (if that's the only user account on that system, which is likely)
[19:21] <HSD_> HuHa: ok
[19:21] <HuHa> HSD_: so, from here on it's shell all the way - there be dragons etc. ;-)
[19:21] <Guest6906969> SpeakerToMeat, I think i have everything i need to do this.. thanks for the help.
[19:21] <HuHa> HSD_: so first open a shell window
[19:21] <HSD_> lol!
[19:21] <Bray90820> Can someone help me here auto remove doesn't seem to find my old kernels
[19:21] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/9AkqKizK
[19:22] <HSD_> HuHa: is that "terminal" in noob speak?
[19:22] <HuHa> HSD_: yes
[19:22] <and_die> Where am I supposed to put binaries, /usr/bin ? ( context: upgrading to the latest static build of ffmpeg )
[19:22] <HSD_> HuHa: done
[19:22] <HuHa> HSD_: you know how to use pastebins? like https://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[19:22] <HSD_> HuHa: yes
[19:23] <HuHa> ok, so in that terminal, type    sudo fdisk -l    and pastebin the output
[19:24] <HSD_> HuHa: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23408219/
[19:26] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, so we have /dev/sda (the disk with that Ubuntu you are trying to back up), /dev/sdb (your external HD to save it to?), /dev/sdc (the stick you booted from?)
[19:27] <HuHa> HSD_: it's an LVM setup (logical volume manager), that makes everything a bit more complicated since you can't simply use plain partitions to do stuff
[19:27] <HSD_> HuHa: yes - that is correct
[19:28] <HuHa> now let's check what is currently mounted where - please pastebin the output of    mount
[19:30] <HSD_> HuHa: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23408249/
[19:30] <grac3> Hello. New to IRC and seeking help with a cloak
[19:30] <EriC^^> !cloak | grac3
[19:31] <grac3> ubottu: thank you
[19:31] <Anonum> the bot is a lie
[19:32] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, the root filesystem from your machine is still mounted - that's the /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root  line
[19:32] <HuHa> HSD_: did you have your home directory on a separate filesystem?
[19:32] <HuHa> HSD_: if you don't know, that's ok, we can check
[19:32] <Bray90820> Can someone help me here auto remove doesn't seem to find my old kernels
[19:32] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/9AkqKizK
[19:33] <HSD_> HuHa: i dont know - i didnt do anything special when i set it up
[19:33] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, so let's check
[19:33] <HSD_> HuHa: ok
[19:33] <HuHa> HSD_: the trick now is that the old root filesystem is now mounted at /media/ubuntu/0276ec8f-5214-42a3-ab4d-bf814ef022ab
[19:33] <HuHa> HSD_: so we need to check etc/fstab there - so please pastebin the output of    cat /media/ubuntu/0276ec8f-5214-42a3-ab4d-bf814ef022ab/etc/fstab
[19:35] <HSD_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23408272/
[19:35] <subuku> hi. I run in some serious trouble. I have a ubuntu 15.10 up and running. is there a secure way to make a distupgrade even if support period is over?
[19:35] <HSD_> HuHa: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23408272/
[19:35] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | subuku
[19:36] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, so it's no separate filesystem, it's also on /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root
[19:36] <subuku> ubottu: I know. thats why I ask if there might be a way anyway
[19:36] <HuHa> HSD_: let's try the shell to access your home directory from here -     cd /media/ubuntu/0276ec8f-5214-42a3-ab4d-bf814ef022ab/home
[19:37] <HuHa> HSD_: you should now see at least a directory   "bob"
[19:37] <HuHa> (with   ls   , of course)
[19:37] <HSD_> HuHa: YES!
[19:38] <HuHa> HSD_: let's try to copy it - your external HD is mounted at  /media/ubuntu/My Passport
[19:38] <HSD_> HuHa: bash: cd: bob: Permission denied
[19:38] <HuHa> HSD_:   sudo bash     then   cd bob
[19:39] <HuHa> HSD_: i.e. we are opening a new shell, but with root (administrator) permissions - we are The Big Boss [tm]
[19:39] <HuHa> HSD_: try not to do anything stupid now ;-)
[19:39] <HSD_> HuHa: i'm such a noob - it worked!
[19:40] <HuHa> HSD_: well, that's the Linux/Unix security model ;-)
[19:40] <narnian> hi
[19:40] <HSD_> HuHa: i will follow step by step!  i promise
[19:40] <HuHa> HSD_: now go back up one directory so you see "bob" again with "ls"
[19:40] <subuku> what do I have to expect if I now perform a dist upgrade on 15.10 ?
[19:40] <HuHa> HSD_: cd ..
[19:40] <HSD_> done
[19:40] <HSD_> HuHa: done
[19:40] <HuHa> HSD_: now let's try to copy stuff
[19:41] <Bashing-om> HuHa: HSD_ A permission issue on the /home directoty why not able to access normally ??
[19:41] <HuHa> HSD_: this command is for Real Men ;-)       rsync -n -rtv  bob /media/ubuntu/My\ Passport
[19:42] <HuHa> Bashing-om: No clue why - you should be UID 1000 when booting from a stick
[19:42] <HuHa> HSD_: notice that this command is only a "dry run" to check if it complains - you should see a gazillion files scroll by
[19:42] <Bashing-om> HuHa: true . hummm ..
[19:42] <narnian> helloooo
[19:43] <HuHa> HSD_: what this command does: It copies recursively (-r) with timestamps (-t) and verbosely (-v) everything from bob to your external HD - we need to protect the blank in the filename with a backslash
[19:44] <Anonum> hhh
[19:44] <narnian> deep web
[19:44] <HSD_> HuHa: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23408299/
[19:44] <HuHa> HSD_: notice that since your target disk has a FAT style filesystem, it cannot copy all Linux file attributes, so we can't use   rsync -av   here
[19:44] <narnian> how an i enter deep web?
[19:44] <ioria> encrypted
[19:44] <Guest6906969> narnian, tor ?
[19:44] <HSD_> HuHa: here it the out put
[19:44] <HSD_> HuHa: here is the out put
[19:44] <HuHa> HSD_: that was all?
[19:45] <HSD_> that's it
[19:45] <ioria> his home is encrypted
[19:45] <HuHa> ok, looks like your home directory _is_ encrypted after all - that's a stub home directory to show you when the real thing is not mounted :-(
[19:45] <HuHa> any clue, anybody, how to mount an encrypted home dir manually?
[19:46] <narnian> i'm learning that stuff
[19:46] <ioria> almost two ways... both terrible
[19:46] <Anonum> !help
[19:47] <Anonum> Gotta love that bot
[19:47] <Anonum> ubottu: I love you
[19:47] <HSD_> HuHa: yes
[19:47] <HuHa> HSD_: did you try to boot an older kernel when the new one wouldn't boot? you should have at least one older one in the boot menu
[19:47] <Anonum> !commands
[19:47] <HSD_> HuHa: i had 3 or 4 options
[19:48] <HuHa> HSD_: and none of them would boot?
[19:48] <HSD_> HuHa: i tried 2
[19:48] <HSD_> HuHa: i can try again
[19:49] <HuHa> HSD_: IMHO this would be the easiest solution... but give me some minutes to check something
[19:49] <HSD_> HuHa: i can go back and try the other two - sure - take what you need
[19:50] <HSD_> HuHa: this started when the laptop auto rebooted during update for 16.04 it was origanally 14.04
[19:50] <HuHa> HSD_: the system probably asked you for the pass phrase for your home directory each time you logged in - right?
[19:50] <HSD_> HuHa: no
[19:50] <HSD_> hu
[19:51] <HSD_> HuHa: yes
[19:51] <HSD_> HuHa: sorry - typed too fast
[19:51] <HuHa> HSD_: ok, so you remember that pass phrase, I hope... because if not, say goodbye to your home dir... ;-)
[19:51] <HSD_> HuHa: im good there!
[19:52] <HuHa> HSD_: try this first: http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/
[19:52] <HuHa> that's step-by-step instructions to do exactly what you have in mind
[19:52] <HSD_> HuHa: - HUGE THANK YOU to you and Eric^^!
[19:53] <HuHa> HSD_: hold it, we're not there yet ;-)
[19:53] <HSD_> HuHa: lol - almost left
[19:54] <HuHa> HSD_: and rembember: Linux takes this security stuff seriously - that encryption stuff is _meant_ to make life hard on people who don't have the proper pass phrases ;-)
[19:55] <HSD_> HuHa: i have the passphrase - no worries
[19:55] <HuHa> ok, so follow the instructions and hope it will work out ;-)
[19:55] <andreborda> hello, I just finished clonign a drive with ddrescue. Is there a good tool for file recovery?
[19:56] <HuHa> you might want to pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster or some other deity of your choice now ;-)
[19:56] <Bashing-om> !testdisk
[19:56] <gebruiker> deadline vs cfq, any opinions which one performs better for desktop systems with HDD drives?
[19:56] <HSD_> HuHa: lol!
[19:56] <andreborda> Bashing-om: was testdisk for me? I have run it but not sure what to do with the results
[19:57] <phil42> never used deadline, satisfied with cfq
[19:57] <Ben64> andreborda: depends what you want to do exactly
[19:57] <HuHa> but the reason I came here for... any clue, anybody, how to contact NHellFire / Nathan Rennie-Waldock ?
[19:57] <Bashing-om> andreborda: Well was to be directed back to you .. hang on a bit and I get ya the tutorials .
[19:58] <HuHa> he maintains the PPA for my QDirStat, and I'd like to tell him that a new release is out, but I don't have an e-mail address
[19:58] <andreborda> Ben64: I want to recover as much as possible, accidentaly formated my safe drive, so pic, videos and .doc's and other simmilar files
[19:58] <HuHa> https://github.com/shundhammer/qdirstat/releases/tag/1.1  named Pumpkin for obvious reasons ;-)
[19:58] <HuHa> andreborda: formatted with what tool? and what filesystem?
[19:59] <Ben64> andreborda: you might be able to get the whole filesystem back with testdisk, if not, there's photorec that goes through and finds files, but it's messy and you lose file names
[19:59] <Bashing-om> andreborda: keep in mind Ben64's query . There is : http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step ; http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15761/recover-data-like-a-forensics-expert-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd/ <- written in a user-friendly way and introduces you to testdisk in a gentle way ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2112112 .
[20:00] <andreborda> HuHa: http://imgur.com/a/JMrUI formatted with windows 10 USB boot disk creation tool
[20:01] <Ben64> you put data on it?
[20:01] <HuHa> andreborda: then you might just be lucky - it says FAT32, so probably only the FAT is destroyed
[20:01] <andreborda> Bashing-om: AaronMT: thanks, I'll look into those now. yesterday someone asked me to run testdisk, but warned that I shouldn't use it by my noobself because it is very powerful
[20:02] <andreborda> Ben64: Only the data the tool created
[20:02] <AaronMT> Please don't ping me.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> andreborda: Just exercise thought and care . Not so difficult .
[20:03] <andreborda> oops, pinged the wrong guy :D meant to be Ben64:
[20:03] <andreborda> ok so should I try the testdisk tool on the clone that I just created?
[20:04] <HuHa> andreborda: yes
[20:04] <andreborda> I'll look into it anyway, but just wondering if I can disconnect the original drive just to be careful
[20:04] <andreborda> HuHa: ok thanks
[20:04] <dryllows> exit
[20:06] <HuHa> andreborda: and BTW you just learned the hard way that Thou Shalt Make Backups Of The Things You Invested Work In - like your photos etc. ;-)
[20:06] <Guest6906969> a backup isnt a backup until a recovery test is complete
[20:06] <HuHa> rsync is your friend
[20:06] <andreborda> HuHa:  aha yeah! I had to buy a 3TB drive for the clone, will now set it up as a NAS
[20:06] <HuHa> that's the nice thing about rsync - it's plain files, not a nightmarish format ;-)
[20:13] <FR4NKESTI3N> #freenode
[20:15] <guzzlefry> Was there a recent break on pulseaudio on Xenial?
[20:16] <guzzlefry> I'm suddenly running into issues where I have to kill and restart pulseaudio in order to connect to it. I've tried updating and restarting, no luck. Any ideas?
[20:17] <ZombikkuAmerica> guzzlefry: What sorts of issues?
[20:17] <OerHeks> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ nothing recently
[20:17] <FR4NKESTI3N_> ?
[20:18] <ZombikkuAmerica> OerHeks: Who said issues had to be security-related?
[20:18] <ioria> 🎃
[20:21] <mikeymop> hey guys, Kubuntu question
[20:22] <mikeymop> I stopped display-manager.service and cannot ssh in, is this required for sshd
[20:22] <mikeymop> becuase i know kde wont let you run sshd unless you log in
[20:22] <guzzlefry> ZombikkuAmerica: No sound until I kill/restart pulseaudio for instance. The XFCE4 mixer app just hangs at "Establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait..."
[20:23] <HuHa> mikeymop: sshd is on a much lower level than the display manager, so no, you don't need a DM for sshd
[20:23] <mikeymop> HuHa: well Kubu 16.04 is systemd, so it's a .service instead
[20:24] <mikeymop> I expected the same thing but I can't just reboot and reconnect which is annoying, i have to go to the computer and sign in
[20:24] <HuHa> mikeymop: still, sshd is a network service, the display manager is X11 related
[20:24] <mikeymop> do you know of a way to get sshd to execute without me loggin in
[20:24] <HuHa> mikeymop: please explain this "kde wont let you run sshd unless you log in"
[20:24] <mikeymop> HuHa: try it, sshd.service will not run until you pass the lock screen
[20:25] <mikeymop> i found an issue reported and everything
[20:25] <HuHa> huh?!
[20:25] <HuHa> I find that hard to believe...
[20:26] <HuHa> it might be a weird coincidence, but whywould sshd need the display manager?
[20:26] <mikeymop> oh, thats why
[20:26] <mikeymop> yea, i stop display-manager and it signs me out so i cant reconect
[20:26] <mikeymop> HuHa: it's a kde quirk
[20:26] <HuHa> that would be a hard bug in the base system IMHO
[20:26] <tgm4883> I'm doubtful
[20:27] <mikeymop> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421753
[20:27] <HuHa> mikeymop: eh... is it possible your home directory is encrypted?
[20:27] <mikeymop> it isn't
[20:27] <HuHa> mikeymop: and you don't have access to your ~/.ssh dir unless you are logged in?
[20:28] <mikeymop> exactly
[20:28] <mikeymop> network-manager can be a headache, made nat'ing my VMs a pain
[20:29] <HuHa> mikeymop: well, in that forum thread they discuss Network Manager vs. traditional network setup - that _might_ be an explanation
[20:29] <mikeymop> which would tie the behavior to stopping display-manager
[20:29] <HuHa> so unless it's a laptop, you might be better off with a traditional network setup without NM
[20:29] <mikeymop> so stupid
[20:29] <mikeymop> that's gonna be a weekend project T.T thanks
[20:30] <HuHa> mikeymop: http://askubuntu.com/questions/431682/how-do-i-use-etc-network-interfaces-instead-of-network-manager
[20:31] <mikeymop> think this will boot me off if i did it over ssh?
[20:31] <HuHa> mikeymop: fiddling with the network over ssh always has a risk of disconnecting yourself for good until you have physical access to the machine
[20:32] <mikeymop> dang it
[20:32] <mikeymop> alright, thanks for the help man
[20:32] <HuHa> you're welcom
[20:32] <HuHa> +e
[20:37] <jujubee> Hello all.  I just set up a new desktop that I want to be a gateway computer for my home.  I edited /etc/network/interfaces with http://pastebin.com/xFiji5jW but after reboot, there was no interface config when I used ifconfig  Only the lo int
[20:41] <ioria> jujubee, it's not auto
[20:41] <mabus> jujubee: do you have network-manager installed? you might need to disable it if you prefer to use the interfaces file
[20:42] <HuHa> mabus: it says "
[20:42] <HuHa> 17
[20:42] <HuHa> down vote
[20:42] <HuHa> accepted
[20:42] <HuHa> If you manually manage your network card in /etc/network/interfaces , network manger will not manage it , it will state "Not Managed"
[20:42] <HuHa> ah, sorry,
[20:44] <jujubee_> mabus and ioria I dropped my connection there and did not see your response
[20:45] <jujubee_> Wonder why it says I just quit?
[20:45] <jujubee_> Ah, I see the _ now at end of nic
[20:46] <ioria> jujubee_, try   auto enp1s0    (before iface enp1s0 inet static)
[20:46] <jujubee_> mabus: can I use network manager for my situation?  back in the day I remember only being able to manage a single interface so I used etc/network/interfaces to do it
[20:47] <mabus> jujubee_: if you're having trouble and no reason not to use network manager, it's easier.
[20:47] <ioria> jujubee_,  iirc, an interfaces file overrides NM
[20:47] <jujubee_> mabus: so in the config for lan interface, what do I set gateway to ?  my ISP?
[20:48] <jujubee_> ioria: why auto before static?  seems contrary...
[20:48] <ioria> jujubee_,  auto ups your enp1s0
[20:49] <jujubee_> ioria: ok.  Only problem is I am on the box I am trying to set up, so I will have to restart and that will drop my connection here.
[20:50] <ioria> jujubee_,  wait for some other solutions then ...
[20:50] <jujubee_> ioria: should I also auto my enp3s0 (my internet side)?
[20:51] <ioria> jujubee_,  if you want it... otherwise you need to up it later
[20:51] <jujubee_> I need it.  I am using iptables to forward between inside and outside
[20:51] <ioria> jujubee_,  sudo ifconfig ... up
[20:52] <jujubee_> ioria: ok, I will make changes and restart  bee back soon I hope
[20:55] <ZombikkuAmerica> ioria: Not ifconfig, net-tools is deprecated
[20:55] <ZombikkuAmerica> use [ sudo ip link set ... up ] instead
[20:55] <ioria> ZombikkuAmerica, right, ip link ...
[20:55] <ioria> ZombikkuAmerica, but it should work
[20:56] <NotSo> #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:00] <jujubee> ioria: seems to have worked
[21:00] <ioria> jujubee, as ZombikkuAmerica said if you need to set manually use    ip link set not infconfig
[21:01] <ioria> jujubee, are you on 16.04 ?
[21:01] <jujubee> ioria: yes 16.04.1
[21:01] <jujubee> ioria: I prefer to use /etc/network/interfaces to set them on boot
[21:01] <ioria> jujubee, ok ifconfig (you don't need it now) it's a bit deprecated
[21:02] <ioria> jujubee, yeah
[21:02] <jujubee> it is working now
[21:02] <ioria> jujubee, good job
[21:02] <jujubee> thank you
[21:02] <ioria> jujubee, happy hallow
[21:03] <jujubee> Yes yes.... waiting for all the little kiddies to start knocking for candy...
[21:03] <ioria> jujubee, 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃
[21:03] <jujubee> nice
[21:07] <isometric05> so.. another question. Was Ubuntu 14.04.5 updated to "force a raid sync before completing the install"?
[21:08] <isometric05> Our installation now takes 200+ minutes while waiting on the md raid to rebuild :-(
[21:16] <dirtyhunter> hey everyone!)
[21:18] <gebruiker> hi dirtyhunter
[21:23] <hhee> guys, video dont play in ubuntu. only sound. i've installed smplayer, vlc. what i did wrong? which packages i need to install?
[21:25] <Ted_> I was wondering if someone could help me with setting permissions on multiple directories using chmod.  I need to set the directories to 644 but not effect the files within the direcotires?
[21:26] <nacc> Ted_: setting the permissions on a directory doesn't affect the files within it, unless you used -R
[21:26] <akik> Ted_: you need to set the x-bit on a directory to be able to cd there
[21:26] <nacc> Ted_: please pastebin `ls -ahl` output before and after your chmod and indicate what the issue is
[21:27] <tomreyn> combine 'chmod' with 'find' if you want to do it recursively for directories only
[21:28] <Ted_> Can you give me an example I am new linux
[21:29] <nacc> `chmod 644 /path/to/dir1 /path/to/dir2`
[21:29] <nacc> Ted_: --^
[21:29] <nacc> Ted_: without more details, feels like we're doing your homework :)
[21:29] <Ted_> Thank you.
[21:35] <akik> i don't get it. putting 644 permissions on a directory? that doesn't fly
[21:36] <akik> maybe he'll get a f on his test
[21:37] <mescon> hey... i have 2 mountpoints that i merged with unionfs like so: unionfs-fuse -o cow,allow_other /mnt/nas/media=RW:/mnt/acd=RO /mnt/media - that's all fine and dandy, but when i remove a file from /mnt/nas/media and i start playing it from /mnt/media (which would then get it from /mnt/acd) the file is replicated and essentially downloaded to my nas again where it sits... anyone know how to solve that?
[21:37] <nacc> akik: agreed, strange question
[21:47] <krokket> Hi. I just apt-get upgrade-d my 14.04.5 system and while 'Setting up sudo (1.8.9p5-1ubuntu1.3)' it wanted to modify my sudoers file, adding /snap/bin to the secure_path. Is this a bug? I don't have anything snap-related installed.
[21:47] <CountryfiedLinux> Hey Kdenlive isn't opening.
[21:48] <CountryfiedLinux> http://pastebin.com/BMYiusYg
[21:48] <nacc> krokket: aiui, this is probably snap support getting backported to trusty
[21:48] <nacc> krokket: not a bug, and expected i'm guessing
[21:49] <nacc> krokket: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.9p5-1ubuntu1.3/changelog
[21:49] <nacc> refers to LP: #1595558
[21:50] <pedrocr> I was all happy that modesetting was the solution for flickering on intel but it gets horrible tearing in video instead
[21:50] <pedrocr> back to the intel driver now with sna, all seems well so far
[21:52] <krokket> Thanks nacc, it looked a bit suspicious to me at first. I decided to keep my old sudoers file for now, which should be ok unless I need sudo with snap, I hope.
[21:53] <nacc> krokket: i believe what will happen (if you read the bug) is if some syadmin tool was snapped and installed, ti would not be executable under sudo
[21:53] <nacc> krokket: on its own, it doesn't really do much
[21:54] <Jsync> Hm.
[21:56] <krokket> nacc: Yes. It's just weird (to me) that sudo changes something for a package that is not installed.
[21:57] <nacc> krokket: meh, there are bigger things to be worried about :)
[21:58] <krokket> certainly :) thanks again!
[22:01] <lucas-arg> any one here solve the tearing problem??? using nvidia intel drivers no matter what i use i have tearing
[22:02] <gebruiker> zesty is the latest release right?
[22:03] <nacc> gebruiker: it's the current development release
[22:03] <gebruiker> nacc: oh is it newer than yakkety?
[22:04] <nacc> gebruiker: yes
[22:04] <nacc> gebruiker: and not yet released
[22:06] <sabato> hi
[22:06] <gebruiker> nacc: any eta? I am curious about what kernel version yakkety uses and zesty?
[22:07] <nacc> !info linux
[22:07] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic
[22:07] <popey> gebruiker: zesty wont be out till april next year, it only just started development
[22:07] <nacc> gebruiker: ubuntu releases on a regular schedule, october and april of every year
[22:08] <nacc> gebruiker: fwiw, zesty is currentlyon the same kernel as y
[22:11] <gebruiker> nacc: seems 4.8 hmm any release that has 4.7?
[22:11] <ikonia> gebruiker: do you actually have a kernel problem ?
[22:11] <ikonia> I'm not quite sure why you are looking at kernel numbers in this way
[22:13] <kk4ewt> gebruiker,  and any older kernels could leave you vulnerable to the Dirty Cow big
[22:13] <kk4ewt> bug
[22:13] <gebruiker> never mind i already found my answer on packages.ubunut
[22:14] <ikonia> do you actually have a problem with the kernel ?
[22:14] <nacc> gebruiker: no, no ubuntu shipped with 4.7 afaik
[22:18] <PugaBear> I just started up my laptop, and it won't connect to wifi. The wifi menu has enable wifi' automatically unchecked, which isn't normal, after all reboots. `sudo service restart network-manager` doesn't help. I can connect on my phone and other laptops just fine. What's going on? :L
[22:18] <mehmet> is there any turkish ?
[22:18] <nacc> !tr | mehmet
[22:18] <GreyFaceNoSpace> hello
[22:19] <_0xbadc0de> hi there ppl
[22:19] <mehmet> how old r u
[22:21] <apb1963_> PugaBear, not sure...    Yes.
[22:22] <popey> _0xbadc0de: sure, you could dd over the top of the entire drive.
[22:24] <_0xbadc0de> so I just grab an iso extract it somewhere
[22:24] <Sutter_Cain> Is there a way to use sha1 signed Repositories in 16.04?
[22:24] <_0xbadc0de> extract it onto an external hd (yeah I can use these) and dd the contents onto sda?
[22:25] <popey> GreyFaceNoSpace: maybe look at using "systemd-analyze blame" to see what's eating time on boot up?
[22:25] <popey> _0xbadc0de: grub can boot an iso off the filesystem, yes.
[22:25] <GreyFaceNoSpace> popey: where do i use this command? in the terminal?
[22:25] <popey> yes
[22:25] <_0xbadc0de> it can?
[22:26] <popey> yeah
[22:26] <_0xbadc0de> grub is not a complete retard after all
[22:26] <popey> _0xbadc0de: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[22:26] <popey> IKR!
[22:26] <popey> that page is a bit overkill, might be better guides online, I haven't done it for a while, but know it is possible and works
[22:26] <_0xbadc0de> thought it had to boot stuff that is embedded on the drive it runs on alone
[22:30] <GreyFaceNoSpace> popey: http://pastebin.com/82fTZbJQ
[22:30] <GreyFaceNoSpace> popey: this is what i got when i ran systemd-analyze blame
[22:30] <popey> yeah, look at the top
[22:31] <popey> 36 seconds of network manager waiting for network connectivity?
[22:31] <popey> GreyFaceNoSpace: http://askubuntu.com/questions/615006/ubuntu-15-04-network-manager-causing-slow-boot maybe change the timeout as per that guide?
[22:35] <birarda> hoping somebody can help me with a udp packet checksum problem
[22:35] <birarda> AFAICT checksumming is offloaded to the NIC on our ec2 instance
[22:36] <birarda> I don’t have an option to disable the oflload (it says fixed) - I presume this would move the checksumming to the kernel
[22:36] <birarda> problem is, the NIC seems to not be doing its job and is letting packets with a bad checksum through
[22:37] <gustavo_> He everyone?
[22:38] <gustavo_> does anyone here speaks portuguese
[22:38] <gustavo_> ?
[22:39] <gustavo_> Hey
[22:39] <gustavo_> gasoline
[22:39] <gustavo_> kachau
[22:40] <gustavo_> are you all without keyboard
[22:40] <gustavo_> ??
[22:40] <nacc> !ask | gustavo_
[22:46] <GreyFaceNoSpace> popey: i tried the solution you gave me...and my booting is much faster now.
[22:47] <GreyFaceNoSpace> popey: any idea how i can remove the gnome 3 booting screen now?
[22:47] <freddish> is there any chance that ubuntu touch would work on my Samsung s6 ? anyone tried that before ?.
[22:54] <johnzorn> is there an easy way of creating a preseed.cfg file from an existing system for automated installs?
[22:59] <kholdstayre> in bash, how do i get the path that a global script sits at?
[23:01] <johnzorn> kholdstayre, which command
[23:01] <nacc> kholdstayre: `which` presuming you are trying to invoke a command
[23:02] <kholdstayre> ah cool, that worked, thx
[23:07] <shadaloo> hi there - when I plug my headphones in they are not being detected as a separate sound device
[23:07] <shadaloo> any ideas?
[23:07] <shadaloo> my headphones are playing together with my speakers
[23:07] <shadaloo> when I plug my headphones in I would like the speaker audio to be automatically muted/disabled
[23:07] <shadaloo> any ideas?
[23:10] <johnzorn> shadaloo, do you have auto-mute enabled in alsamixer?
[23:10] <shadaloo> johnzorn: no idea
[23:12] <shadaloo> johnzorn: how do I do that
[23:12] <shadaloo> lol
[23:12] <johnzorn> shadaloo, type alsamixer at a terminal
[23:12] <shadaloo> johnzorn: sure I know about alsamixer
[23:12] <shadaloo> but what is auto-mute
[23:12] <shadaloo> and how do I enable that
[23:12] <johnzorn> mine has an auto-mute mode that can be disabled
[23:13] <johnzorn> use the arrow keys
[23:13] <johnzorn> up/down for enable/disable
[23:13] <shadaloo> hrmm
[23:13] <shadaloo> it is enabled
[23:14] <johnzorn> is the card the right card up in the corner?
[23:14] <shadaloo> sure is
[23:14] <shadaloo> the thing is
[23:14] <shadaloo> my headphones are plugged in
[23:14] <shadaloo> and the system doesn't recognize them as being plugged in
[23:15] <johnzorn> they are usb?
[23:15] <johnzorn> or regular 45mm audio jack?
[23:15] <shadaloo> I can only get the headphones to work by selecting Headphones under pavucontrol --> Output Devices --> Built-in Audio Analog Stereo --> Port --> Headphones
[23:16] <shadaloo> 3.5mm audio
[23:16] <shadaloo> standard port
[23:17] <V7> Which one is better ... Code::Blocks or NetBeans ?
[23:17] <johnzorn> shadaloo, alsamixer idea was my only one sorry
[23:17] <shadaloo> johnzorn: no worries mate
[23:21] <drkjstr> V7, might be a better question for a programming channel. I haven't used code::blocks much. I've used Netbeans for C++ and Java.
[23:26] <e-jovem> dsd
[23:26] <e-jovem> ,fd
[23:26] <e-jovem> fdf
[23:26] <ikonia> e-jovem: please stop that
[23:27] <e-jovem> join
[23:27] <e-jovem> iai
[23:27] <e-jovem> povco
[23:27] <e-jovem> po
[23:30] <cole> any way to add live dekstop raindrops?
[23:30] <cole> water effects from earlier distros seems to be gone, can't tell if its even what i'm looking for
[23:36] <IMP> question: is it ok to install 32bit and 64bit openjdk in parallel via apt-get?
[23:38] <nicomachus> IMP: yes
[23:39] <IMP> nicomachus: intellij hangs on a gradle task to build a java app ever since I did it
[23:44] <drkjstr> IMP, I found this link, http://askubuntu.com/questions/110852/can-i-install-a-32-bit-java-in-addition-to-a-64-bit-version , but don't have any first hand experience.
[23:48] <IMP> drkistr, I had seen that question and had no trouble installing even both versions via apt (the link suggests that's not possible). But when I set the jdk to use to the 32bit version I still get an exception from the code: "API supports only x86 architecture", hinting it was compiled with the 64bit version.
[23:53] <drkjstr> IMP, Check this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/783662/java-32-bit-vs-64-bit-compatibility . Seems the libraries matter.
[23:54] <apb1963_> ubuntu 16.04  wine-1.6.2 Trying to install Office 2000. err:module:import_dll Library SQLWOA.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\System\\OLE DB\\MSMDCUBE.DLL") not found.  Any clues?  #winehq has been dead for at least the last hour.
[23:56] <backbox> Hello group
[23:56] <backbox> I am seeking for a help
[23:56] <backbox> to install Android again into my phone
[23:57] <OerHeks> apb1963_, i would use POL, https://www.playonlinux.com/en/app-143-Microsoft_Office_2000.html
[23:57] <backbox> I had a look on internet about that but it ask for too many things to download and all are from unknown sources
[23:58] <OerHeks> ubuntu is not android, try #android


[00:28] <Joelito> hi, all...is compiz default or enable in xubuntu 8.04?
[00:30] <Genelyk> nit
[00:30] <Genelyk> not
[00:32] <Joelito> Genelyk: I need to download it and install it from the repos?
[00:33] <Joelito> I though that it was pre-installed like in ubuntu :(
[00:35] <Genelyk> mmm
[01:09] <Zeeded> [17:09:29] You do not have the appropriate Gstreamer plugin installed to play this file: file:///home/zeeded/Music/epoxies - stop the future/02-this day.mp3
[01:10] <Zeeded> I downloaded the Gstreamer updates and the plugins, anyone know why I keep getting this?
[01:12] <Zeeded> oh
[01:12] <Zeeded> I missed one, nvm
[03:03] <LetsGo67> How do I use an iPod in iTunes in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <cody-somerville> LetsGo67, You can't use iTunes in Ubuntu
[03:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> what doi you do then?
[03:08] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean just curious
[03:08] <LetsGo67> cody-somerville: wine
[03:08] <LetsGo67> cody-somerville: gtkpod is ugly.
[03:10] <cody-somerville> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9266
[03:10] <cody-somerville> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=798
[03:10] <cody-somerville> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/itunes
[03:14] <LetsGo67> Thanks.
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> i c an't install xubuntu
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> everytime i burn an iso file
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> onto the cdrw
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> and checck for errors
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> it says there's a corrupted file
[03:16] <CostaRicanQuaker> and i don't dare install just liek that
[03:18] <LetsGo67> CostaRicanQuaker: use another CD/drive?
[03:23] <LetsGo67> Do you have other CD-RWs?
[03:23] <LetsGo67> !ipod
[03:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> no more cd.rw's
[03:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> i'll have to get some new ones
[03:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> meh
[03:27] <LetsGo67> iPod isn't detected in Banshee, cody-somerville!
[03:27] <LetsGo67> CostaRicanQuaker: hope you find some.
[03:28] <LetsGo67> 0.13.2!?  What is this!  They have version 1.0 now!
[03:30] <LetsGo67> Why does Ubuntu take forever to update its reps!?
[03:30] <cody-somerville> LetsGo67, We need more volunteers! :P
[03:32] <LetsGo67> cody-somervile: how?
[03:34] <cody-somerville> LetsGo67, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[03:38] <mrwislr> firefox in xubuntu will not give me an option to "open with"   when downloading a document and such from webpages..... like email attachments.... it only gives the option to save as or cancel
[03:38] <mrwislr> please help
[03:43] <LetsGo67> mrwislr: 3.0?
[03:43] <mrwislr> yes
[03:45] <mrwislr> LetsGo67: yes
[03:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> what advantages are significant when choosing xubuntu as compared to kubuntu?
[03:48] <LetsGo67> mrwisir: sorry, not sure what to say.
[03:48] <mrwislr> xubuntu is speed
[03:48] <LetsGo67> CostaRicanQuaker: Xubuntu runs on 500mhz/256MB RAM/10GB hard drive better than (K)ubuntu.
[03:49] <mrwislr> kubuntu is flashy windows with too many options and controlled by trolltech
[03:49] <mrwislr> ubuntu is mac like simple beauty
[03:49] <mrwislr> tied to no one but the community
[03:50] <mrwislr> kubuntu is heavy
[03:50] <mrwislr> xubuntu is light
[03:50] <mrwislr> ubuntu is just right
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> trolltech?
[03:50] <mrwislr> yes trolltech
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's that?
[03:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> !trolltech
[03:51] <mrwislr> company that is responsible for the qt library
[03:51] <mrwislr> which kde is built on
[03:51] <mrwislr> which is the interface to kubuntu
[03:51] <LetsGo67> Ubuntu has roughly the same requirements as Vista/Leopard.
[03:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> so xubuntu will run faster
[03:51] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it's simpler
[03:51] <LetsGo67> Xubuntu is more like Windows XP.
[03:52] <mrwislr> not likely lets
[03:52] <mrwislr> xubuntu is more like classic mac
[03:52] <LetsGo67> Mac OS 9?  No way!
[03:52] <LetsGo67> (There is a skin that mimics it, though)
[03:52] <mrwislr> ubuntu will fly on a machine that crawls with vista
[03:52] <LetsGo67> Maybe.
[03:52] <CostaRicanQuaker> and with xubuntu?
[03:53] <LetsGo67> I upgraded from 1GB to 3GB but it did nothing to Xubuntu's performance.
[03:53] <LetsGo67> RAM
[03:53] <mrwislr> xubuntu is very fast and simplistically beautiful
[03:53] <CostaRicanQuaker> is xubuntu faster than ubuntu?
[03:53] <mrwislr> but it won't be quite as user friendly as ubuntu
[03:53] <LetsGo67> No way.
[03:53] <mrwislr> yes lots faster
[03:53] <LetsGo67> No accessibility.
[03:54] <LetsGo67> JWM is the fastest.
[03:54] <mrwislr> jwm isn't a destkop though
[03:54] <mrwislr> like the others
[03:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do you mean user friendly?
[03:54] <mrwislr> take ubuntu
[03:54] <CostaRicanQuaker> will i be able to switch from xp to xubuntu?
[03:54] <mrwislr> seriously dude
[03:54] <mrwislr> if your just getting into linux
[03:54] <mrwislr> take ubuntu
[03:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> I prefer kubuntu to ubuntu though
[03:55] <mrwislr> y?
[03:55] <mrwislr> because the task bar is on the bottom
[03:55] <mrwislr> please
[03:55] <mrwislr> windows thinking there
[03:55] <CostaRicanQuaker> seems simpler
[03:55] <mrwislr> besides you can move and arrange the friggin toolbar however you want in ubuntu
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> why not xubuntu then?
[03:56] <CostaRicanQuaker> i also want my girl to switch and she's got  pretty old laptop
[03:56] <mrwislr> because ubuntu is setup to be much more intuative and user friendly
[03:57] <mrwislr> xubuntu requires you to know quite a bit more about linux to truly enjoy it and get everything running
[03:58] <CostaRicanQuaker> how long for me to learn it?
[03:59] <mrwislr> take a good 3/4 months with ubuntu and you should have enough down to know what your doing for the most part
[04:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> can you open .doc files
[04:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> with abi word
[04:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> and sve them
[04:06] <CostaRicanQuaker> so MS office will open them
[04:11] <LetsGo67> Thanks for your help guys, I'm heading off, ttyl.
[04:11] <LetsGo67> (IMO AbiWord > OO.o)
[05:55] <MrLukipela> So.. after a fresh install, when i go to terminal, for a command prompt, i am logged off.
[05:55] <MrLukipela> Any ideas?
[06:00] <Zeeded> huh?
[07:11] <BoltClock> my school computers run on 128 mb ram, is that enough for xubuntu?
[07:11] <MrLukipela> Yes
[07:11] <MrLukipela> im running that right now :D
[07:11] <BoltClock> funny, sources say i need more than that
[07:11] <BoltClock> like 192 or even 256 mb
[07:12] <BoltClock> those are for better performance i think?
[07:12] <MrLukipela> Give me a minute and ill look at my system specs
[07:12] <Zeeded> well your sources are wrong
[07:12] <MrLukipela> but im running on a laptop thats 9 years old.
[07:12] <MrLukipela> erm 8 years old
[07:13] <BoltClock> im trying xubuntu by live cd now
[07:13] <BoltClock> but its going to take me a little bit to get used to the differences from ubuntu
[07:14] <MrLukipela> Im trying to get it to load all the way right now :D
[07:14] <Zeeded> lol not really Bolt
[07:14] <MrLukipela> when i try to get a command prompt my system crashes
[07:14] <Zeeded> I have been switching back and forth for a while now
[07:14] <Zeeded> there about the same
[07:14] <Zeeded> you just have to install some different stuff
[07:14] <MrLukipela> which is always fun, because we all know you dont need a command prompt for xubuntu :P
[07:14] <Zeeded> and the interface is alittle bit different
[07:14] <Zeeded> lol
[07:15] <BoltClock> can see that Zeeded
[07:15] <Zeeded> funny jokes there
[07:15] <BoltClock> MrLukipelia lol
[07:15] <BoltClock> MrLukipela: weird, havent heard of such crashes
[07:15] <MrLukipela> Zeeded, im not sure wth i did, i updated my video drivers and now it crashes.
[07:15] <MrLukipela> I have no clue what i did, and i cant get into terminal to check and see :D
[07:16] <BoltClock> i just hope my school computers allow me to boot from my thumb drive, im planning to install xubuntu on it
[07:16] <Zeeded> lol sweet
[07:16] <MrLukipela> If they dont, all you have to do is get into the bios and make USB the primary boot deice
[07:16] <BoltClock> its 4 gb, but the fact that my school is so poor restricts me to xubuntu
[07:17] <BoltClock> MrLukipela: now im unsure if accessing the bios is allowed
[07:18] <BoltClock> my school tends to get paranoid over these things
[07:18] <MrLukipela> It would be pretty tough to restrict BIOS access, reboot the PC, press f10 or f8 depending.
[07:24] <BoltClock> i cant believe i just text messaged my teacher asking if bios access is allowed
[07:24] <MrLukipela> i cant believe you have a teacher that knows how to text message
[07:24] <BoltClock> lol
[07:35] <MrLukipela> Anyone in here actually know anything about Xubuntu, or do you all just lurk?
[07:35] <BoltClock> i lurk
[07:35] <BoltClock> and ask stuff
[07:36] <MrLukipela> i havent ever seen anyone answer a question in here :(
[07:36] <BoltClock> lol
[07:36] <BoltClock> i didnt know it was that bad for xubuntu
[07:37] <MrLukipela> hahahaha
[07:38] <MrLukipela> i broke it
[07:38] <MrLukipela> ok fixed
[07:38] <MrLukipela> Still having the same terminal issue
[07:39] <MrLukipela> but i can live without that
[09:08] <the-erm> Is there a way to manually save a session?
[09:09] <the-erm> Is there a way to enable a right-click on grouped task to "close all"
[09:09] <the-erm> That is all ...
[09:10] <Zeeded> yep
[09:10] <the-erm> Great ... how?
[09:11] <the-erm> gnome has gnome-session-save :)
[09:11] <the-erm> alas I haven't found anything similar for xfce.
[09:12] <Zeeded> No clue ;/
[09:13] <Zeeded> :/
[09:14] <the-erm> You wouldn't by chance know how to change the font size of the tool bar/menu?
[09:14] <the-erm> I guess I should look in the menu editor before I ask simple questions like this..
[09:17] <the-erm> Alas it is not there.
[09:25] <BoltClock> is it dependent on the machine itself whether changing bios boot settings is permanent or can be temporary?
[09:48] <Valsum> Font size in Settings\User interface
[09:49] <Valsum> BoltClock: I've only seen permanent ones. You save changes, and they're stored ;)
[09:49] <BoltClock> Valsum: well... i dont think my school will be too happy seeing me boot xubuntu from my thumb drive then :S
[09:50] <Valsum> you can restart later and put the boot settings in the bios back
[11:32] <Rhorse> :leave
[15:24] <xTheSaintx> yo guys
[15:24] <xTheSaintx> How do i get the cube effect on xubuntu?
[15:29] <xTheSaintx> Anyone?
[15:30] <siggjen> you can set it in advanced desktop effect settings
[15:40] <xTheSaintx> and were do i find that?
[15:50] <siggjen> i use to find it in system/prefs
[15:53] <TheSheep> siggjen: that's in ubuntu
[15:54] <siggjen> oki, just execute ccsm then
[15:57] <TheSheep> siggjen: ccsm?
[15:58] <siggjen> compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:00] <TheSheep> siggjen: no such thing in xubuntu default install
[16:01] <siggjen> probably time to install it then
[16:02] <TheSheep> siggjen: why not isnatll whole gnome then?
[16:12] <xTheSaintx> TheSheep how do i get gnome?
[16:13] <TheSheep> xTheSaintx: install ubuntu :)
[16:13] <TheSheep> xTheSaintx: xubuntu doesn't have such special effects, you can add them by installing compiz, but it's not standard xubuntu then
[16:13] <TheSheep> !compiz
[16:21] <xTheSaintx> im on a laptop
[16:21] <xTheSaintx> so ubuntu wouldnt really go at all fast
[16:21] <xTheSaintx> So i got xubuntu
[16:28] <TheSheep> ubuntu wouldn't really go fast because of, mong other things, cube desktop
[18:03] <MrLukipela> So am i ever going to be able to get support for xubuntu or should i just uninstall and go back to windows..?
[18:07] <TheSheep> MrLukipela: you have to ask a question
[18:07]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:10] <MrLukipela> Yah, sorry, been asking the same question for 3 days with no response.
[18:10] <MrLukipela> Here is my issue: On Xubuntu, my screen has big black bars on the sides, when i run displayconfig-gtk and try to change it, it goes to low graphics mode.  I am using the correct driver, from what ive seen.  Any ideas?
[18:14] <TheSheep> MrLukipela: is that an lcd screen?
[18:14] <MrLukipela> Yes, its a laptop
[18:14] <TheSheep> MrLukipela: do you know what is its native resolution?
[18:15] <MrLukipela> 1024x768
[18:15] <MrLukipela> What its doing is puting it at 800x600 but instead of streatching to meet the screen it just centers it
[18:15] <MrLukipela> Stretching^
[18:16] <TheSheep> what does  lspci | grep VGA  say?
[18:16] <TheSheep> (type that in a terminal)
[18:16] <MrLukipela> .. i just tried to copy and paste from one computer to the other.
[18:17] <TheSheep> there are programs that make it possible :)
[18:17] <MrLukipela> VGA Compatible controller: intel corp. 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC) (rev 11)
[18:17] <MrLukipela> Yah but im not loading synergy till i get the screen fixed :P
[18:18] <TheSheep> you cannot switch to 1024x768 with displayconfig-gtk?
[18:18] <MrLukipela> When i do it goes to low graphics mode.
[18:18] <MrLukipela> brb.. wife is yelling ;)
[18:19] <TheSheep> even if you select intel as the driver?
[18:38] <dkkong> The onboard soundcard in my system doesn't work. I put in a Creative Labs SB Audigy, and lspci shows it's recognized, but I have no sound. Help?
[18:52] <MrLukipela> Yes, even if i select the intel drivers :D
[18:54] <MrLukipela> TheSheep, Yes.  Even if i select the intel drivers.
[19:00] <cyzie> is smp not supported in kernel 2.6.24?
[19:20] <TheSheep> cyzie: it is
[19:21] <cyzie> yes, should go for the generic rather than 386
[19:21] <cyzie> iguess that's the different
[19:35] <slow-motion> hi
[19:38] <cyzie> what is the default runlevel in xubuntu ?
[19:39] <TheSheep> cyzie: they are all the same
[19:40] <cyzie> mm i just check, if you dont have inittab in /etc/, then it goes to runlevel 2.
[19:40] <cyzie> why are you saying they are all the same ?
[19:44] <TheSheep> because there is no differencebetween them -- they all start the same services
[19:44] <TheSheep> except for the special ones, obviously
[19:45] <cyzie> mmm, not really though, 0 to shut down, 1 for single mode, 5 for the x with multi user, 3 for no x multi users. 6 for reboot
[19:47] <th0r> cyzie, close. I think ubuntu uses 2-5 interchangeably, but 0,1,6 are correct. Your definitions of 2-5 are for suse/redhat
[19:48] <cyzie> th0r, check, /etc/event.d/rc-default . if you dont have inittab, it goes to N 2. so there is no interchangeably 2-5.
[19:49] <cyzie> anyway, strange that my hardy does not have /etc/inittab.. :-s
[19:50] <th0r> cyzie, right...2 is default, but I think 3,4,5 do the same thing in ubuntu. In suse, 2 is non-X, non-network, 3 is non-X with network, and 4 is X with no network
[19:50] <th0r> cyzie, http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html
[19:51] <cyzie> i see. this runlevel eventually fall back to the services/daemon start configured in /etc/rc.X . ok, i think i have my answer default runlevel is 2 if it dont have /etc/inittab.
[19:51] <cyzie> thanks th0r
[21:40] <cyzie> hi, after we initiate connection to the ISP using pon, how does actually the dns process works?
[21:50] <gofigure> Hey UBuntuers I am a sorta IRC and UBUNTU noob and have a question
[21:52] <gofigure> I once installed a different linux distro and when I pressed ctrl-alt-F4, I would get a command line terminal.  Does Ubuntu have a similar feature??
[21:52] <gofigure> Cause my hardy heron doesn't do anything
[21:53] <gofigure> hello?
[21:54] <cyzie> u need /etc/inittab
[21:54] <gofigure> cyzie my new friend!
[21:54] <gofigure> Thank allah for you!
[21:54] <gofigure> i have heard of this initab thing before
[21:55] <gofigure> Do I need to put something in it??
[21:55] <cyzie> yes
[21:55] <cyzie> check for some example, gtg now
[21:55] <cyzie> bye
[21:59] <gofigure> gee that helped a lot
[21:59] <gofigure> php people are so much cooler
[21:59] <firsm> is there a xubuntu theme for opera?
[22:04] <gofigure> why does xubuntu crash all the time?
[22:07] <gofigure> is there any way to make xubuntu more stable like my xp?
[22:36] <slow-motion> n8
[22:38] <bminuk> anyone know when a patched xubuntu livecd will be made (with the SSL vuln fixed)
[22:41] <bminuk> (tap tap) is this thing on?
[22:57] <bminuk2> hello
[23:05] <bminuk2> any know if an update livecd will be made available with fixes to the ssl vuln
[23:16] <TheSheep> bminuk2: all images has been updated as soon as tthe fix was released
[23:41] <bminuk2> TheSheep: sorry for the delay - on #ubuntu.  The website indicates that the livecd does not contain the fix.