[02:04] <josharenson> lpotter: have a minute to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1542224 ?
[02:04] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1542224 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "[regression] OSK suppressed in autopilot tests" [High,Triaged]
[02:09] <lpotter> ok sure
[02:10] <josharenson> So, forgive me if I'm asking you questions that have nothing to do w/ you... saviq told me to ping you regarding this and I'm not entirely sure what you know about it
[02:11] <lpotter> I'm not entirely sure either, unless it has to do with qinputinfo
[02:11] <josharenson> lpotter: I'm looking at the Unity.InputInfo plugin (which contains qinputinfo.cpp) :-)
[02:12] <lpotter> ok
[02:12] <josharenson> lpotter: and trying to figure out where qinputinfo is able to tell weather or not the keyboard plugged in is real/virtual
[02:12] <josharenson> lpotter: If I could determine, at this level, if they keyboard was virtual (from autopilot) its trivial to fix the bug
[02:13] <lpotter> not sure it handles virtual keyboards, just whatever comes tough udev.. at this point anyway
[02:13] <lpotter> I thought about trying to discover that, but wouldn't having a touchscreen signal it also has virtual keyboard?
[02:14] <josharenson> lpotter: I suppose I need a better understanding of what the keyboard emulator is doing on a lower level
[02:15] <josharenson> lpotter: but knowing almost nothing about udev, is it as simple as reading the device path and filtering based on that (like a hardcoded blacklist as a temporary hack)
[02:15] <josharenson> in other words, does the device path provide any useful information at all?
[02:18] <lpotter> not in itself
[02:18] <josharenson> humm ok
[02:18]  * josharenson goes to read more stuff
[02:19] <lpotter> you can filter qinputinfo so you only get info about keyboard and touchscreens
[02:19] <josharenson> lpotter: but there is no way to tell if its a real keyboard or the virtual one created by autopilot?
[02:20] <lpotter> not currently through qinputinfo
[02:33] <lpotter> I would have to figure out how to get virtual keyboard signals to add it, but it has been on my mind to do so
[02:35] <josharenson> lpotter: it looks like the python evdev module that creates the virtual keyboard is able to retrieve a devices name, and the virtual keyboard names itself "autopilot-finger", which is unique enough that If I can figure out how to get that information in qinputinfo I'd be comfortable blacklisting it
[02:36] <josharenson> lpotter: Like you can grab device=/dev/input/input1 and device.name will be "autopilot-finger"
[02:37] <josharenson> I think I'm close and when I figure it out, I'll either run it by you directly or add you as a reviewer if that is ok w/ you
[02:39] <lpotter> ok
[02:39] <josharenson> lpotter: thanks... I'm going to go finish watching the super bowl and pick this up in the morning
[02:39] <lpotter> :) enjoy
[02:40] <lpotter> oh. I'm from near Denver, byw soo. go Broncos
[09:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ping
[09:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, pong
[09:40] <tsdgeos> the bug for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1540490 will end up in 9.5 or 10?
[09:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1540490 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "app icons getting their top cut off (Ubuntu Touch)" [High,In progress]
[09:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑
[09:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 9.5, I'm just landing the minimal silo with it
[09:42] <tsdgeos> k
[10:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: any idea what's up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmultimedia-opensource-src/+bug/1534776 ?
[10:01] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1534776 in qtmultimedia-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Notification sounds cause multimedia to pause" [Critical,In progress]
[10:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, nothing new that I know of
[10:02] <tsdgeos> k
[10:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: who is doing oobe? so we assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1443869 to him?
[10:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1443869 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "[Edge Education] New wizard in Vivid doesn't excercise indicator gesture" [Undecided,Triaged]
[10:46] <tsdgeos> and same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1484383 i guess?
[10:46] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1484383 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "[Edge education] Tutorial doesn't teach you about the long swipe from left" [Undecided,Triaged]
[11:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ltinkl
[11:06] <ltinkl> Saviq, tsdgeos :the latter would be for mterry actually
[11:06] <ltinkl> oh both in fact
[11:07] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: but is something we "kind of have"? i gther from the comment mentioning silo 33 we're working on it, right?
[11:07] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, yes, mterry is working on it
[11:07] <tsdgeos> k
[16:42] <greyback_> pete-woods: hey, any suggestions to help track down issue behind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1541854 ?
[16:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1541854 in QtMir "SharedWakelock test unstable" [High,Triaged]
[16:43] <pete-woods> greyback_: I think we've talked about something like this before
[16:44] <greyback_> pete-woods: yeah, we have. But that test was solid until we switched over to Jenkaas
[16:44] <pete-woods> the qtdbustest lib there is waiting on a python process to startup and claim a well-known DBus name
[16:44] <pete-woods> it waits for some "sensible" timeout (10 seconds?)
[16:44] <greyback_> it hardly takes >30 seconds for that python process to appear
[16:44] <pete-woods> and then gives in with that error
[16:45] <greyback_> You're using QProcess::waitForStarted() which has default timeout of 30 seconds
[16:45] <greyback_> should be more than enough
[16:45] <pete-woods> well that wait probably passes
[16:46] <pete-woods> it's probably a later wait, the one that actually waits for the DBus name that fails
[16:46] <greyback_> aha yeah
[16:46] <greyback_> sorry, you're right
[16:46] <pete-woods> but still, it's ample time
[16:46] <greyback_> 5 seconds by default
[16:47] <pete-woods> maybe that's not quite enough then
[16:47] <pete-woods> on a really heavily loaded infrastructure
[16:47] <greyback_> I guess first step, increase that to 10 :)
[16:48] <greyback_> I'll propose an MP, just to see
[16:50] <pete-woods> sounds good
[16:54] <greyback_> pete-woods: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/libqtdbustest/increase-wait-timeout/+merge/285376 is worth a shot
[16:55] <pete-woods> greyback_: could you possibly make it read the value from an environment variable?
[16:56] <pete-woods> defaulting to 15 seconds sounds reasonable, thoguh
[16:56] <pete-woods> QDBUS_DBUS_START_TIMEOUT or something like that?
[16:56] <greyback_> ok
[16:57] <pete-woods> hopefully that would help you iterate on it anyway, when it turns out 15 seconds is too low :)
[17:01] <Saviq> mterry, press ♻ for us on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-057/excuses.html please?
[17:01] <mterry> saviq, k
[17:02] <mterry> Saviq, done
[17:02] <Saviq> greyback_, pete-woods, that's bug #1541854 ?
[17:02] <ubot5`> bug 1541854 in QtMir "SharedWakelock test unstable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541854
[17:02] <greyback_> Saviq: yes
[17:03]  * Saviq links
[17:05] <Saviq> mterry, not even sure if it's supposed to work, but let's see :)
[17:06] <Saviq> oh looks like it did http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-qtmir
[17:28] <pete-woods> greyback_: MR looks good
[17:29] <greyback_> pete-woods: that was fast :)
[17:29] <pete-woods> :)
[19:44] <bognarandras> hi, First sorry for my bad english, I'm from Hungary! :) I find this bugreport on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1104288 I know that Unity8 and Mir are the most important things right now, but I think there is an easy solution for that: bring back the first version of the bfb icon... or something like that
[19:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1104288 in Ayatana Design "New BFB icon is not in harmony with Unity design" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:45] <bognarandras> I created three versions: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5klMgq_kjoAa2ZOb3Q2dUgzSm8&usp=sharing
[19:46] <bognarandras> the one with the black shadow is ugly, but the basic and the glowing versions are fine... and both work with other themes
[19:47] <josharenson> Saviq: have a min re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1542224 ?
[19:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1542224 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "[regression] OSK suppressed in autopilot tests" [High,Triaged]
[19:48] <josharenson> Saviq: actually I think I just figured it out...
[20:07] <Saviq> josharenson, am here now if you need me still
[20:09] <Saviq> Trevinho, hey, do you know where https://imgur.com/a/cdzm2 comes from? on vt switch or suspend/resume I often lose most of my text...
[20:13] <Trevinho> Saviq: wow...no idea what's happening, but I guess something related to fontconfig / pango?
[20:13] <Trevinho> it looks quite artistic though
[20:18] <Saviq> Trevinho, indeed, it only started happening today
[20:18]  * Saviq looks at apt log
[20:19] <Saviq> hmm a lot of xserver yesterday
[21:04] <kgunn> mhall119: is wiki.ubuntu.com down for you?
[21:04] <mhall119> kgunn: it's been having problems all day I think
[21:04] <kgunn> ack
[21:05] <mhall119> jose was pinging the vanguard in #canonical-sysadmin earlier
[21:35] <Saviq> mterry, one more ♻ to click https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-057/excuses.html :)
[21:37] <mterry> Saviq, done
[21:37] <mterry> Damn I'm good at my job
[21:37] <Saviq> mterry, indeed!
[21:37] <mterry> ;)
[21:38] <Saviq> irreplaceable, too
[21:39] <mterry> ~core-dev is bigger than 1  :)
[21:41] <Saviq> mterry, you're the only one I have any power upon! :D
[21:44] <mterry> Saviq, hehe


[15:49] <dorgan> has anyone else been following dell's offering, or lack there of, on Ubuntu Laptop/desktops?
[15:49] <dorgan> for the longest time all you could buy was a desktop...now its only two laptops....one with 10" screen and the other with a 13" screen
[15:49] <dorgan> what gives
[15:54] <maxolasersquad> dorgan: Yeah, it's been pretty week for a while now.
[15:54] <maxolasersquad> Probably low sales.
[15:54] <dorgan> and the 13"  only allows a max of 1GB of ram
[15:54] <dorgan> still....its not like they have to use specialized hardware...well for the most part
[15:55] <maxolasersquad> They do spend some resources ensuring the hardware options they make it available on works.
[15:55] <maxolasersquad> I'd recommend getting a System76 over a Dell if one wants Linux supported hardware.
[15:55] <dorgan> yeah but it cant be that much resources as they only offer 9.10 installed
[15:56] <maxolasersquad> Well, that shows how much work they are willing to put into it.
[15:56] <maxolasersquad> Which is probably proportional to the sales that the option is generating.
[15:57] <maxolasersquad> Dell is in a good position to be THE preferrable computer maker for Linux enthusiasts, but doesn't seem too interested in making it happen.
[15:58] <maxolasersquad> I have a Dell that came with preinstall Linux, and the experience hasn't been as good as I was hoping.
[15:58] <maxolasersquad> Sound support broke two years ago.
[15:58] <maxolasersquad> Compositing didn't work for a release either.
[16:04] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: I tried to restore Vista on a Dell, using the restore disk that came with it, and none of video, sound, wired or wireless worked
[16:05] <mhall119> so....at least they consistently suck at it
[19:20] <tiemonster> true linux users build their own computers...
[19:20] <tiemonster> ...from melted sand
[19:52] <munz-eee> anyone used gnome 3 yet?
[19:53] <munz-eee> mhall119,
[19:53] <munz-eee> you around?
[20:17] <mhall119> munz-eee: yup
[20:18] <munz-eee> hey have you tried gnome3?
[20:18] <munz-eee> do you like?
[20:18] <munz-eee> i tried it last night... don't think i like it lol
[20:19] <munz-eee> liking unity alot more as time passes
[20:19] <munz-eee> do you know how to configure the gnome3 look?
[20:34] <mhall119> munz-eee: haven't tried gnome 3 yet, no
[20:35] <mhall119> I hear the refactoring work they did is a huge improvement though
[20:35] <mhall119> but as a user, it's hard to separate the under-the-hood improvements from the switch to Gnome Shell
[20:36] <munz-eee> i heard about the improvements also
[20:36] <munz-eee> the stile is cool
[20:36] <munz-eee> *style
[20:37] <munz-eee> have yet to figure out how to customize it though
[20:37] <crashsystems> gnome 3 also requires composting.
[20:40] <munz-eee> here is where i sound stupid:
[20:40] <munz-eee> what is composting?
[20:40] <mhall119> so non-compositing X11 would tell each window what parts they need to draw on the screen
[20:41] <crashsystems> basically it is how things like compiz draw fancy graphical stuff on the screen
[20:41] <munz-eee> ok, that was easy :)
[20:41] <munz-eee> soo it needs 3d?
[20:41] <munz-eee> or decent graphics?
[20:41] <mhall119> with compositing, X11 tells each window to draw itself into a buffer, then the compositing manager takes all the windows and "composites" them into a single image to draw to the screen
[20:41] <crashsystems> basically
[20:42] <crashsystems> if your graphics card was made in the last five years, it should run unity just fine. probably similar limits for gnome 3.
[20:42] <mhall119> compositing is a standard part of 3d graphics processing, whenever you have a 3d game or something, it has objects that get "composited" into a single image for you to see
[20:42] <munz-eee> ohhhh, ok mhall119, that makes sense
[20:42] <mhall119> so 3d graphics cards specifically well suited for this task
[20:42] <munz-eee> ok
[20:43] <mhall119> but 3d graphics cards aren't strictly necessary
[20:43] <munz-eee> ok
[20:43] <mhall119> Xfce and KDE will do compositing entirely in the CPU
[20:43] <mhall119> I think Gnome 3 will too
[20:43] <mhall119> but it's slower, because the CPU isn't designed for that kind of math, while the GPU is
[20:43] <crashsystems> IIRC gnome 3 has some sort of "fallback" mode
[20:44] <mhall119> gnome 3 uses mutter, which I think can do compositing in the CPU
[20:44] <munz-eee> ok, i now understand more
[20:45] <munz-eee> thanks
[20:45] <munz-eee> crashsystems, have you tried gnome3 yet?
[20:46] <munz-eee> i read it breaks unity, so i put it on my 10.10 to try it
[20:47] <munz-eee> wanna customize the UI look but have not found any config applet yet
[20:47] <munz-eee> it does run fast
[20:47] <mhall119> Unity is built on Gnome 2, so replacing that with Gnome 3 is likely to break it, yeah
[20:48] <munz-eee> mhall119, i did sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[20:48] <munz-eee> then just ran "gnome-shell --replace" from gnome 2
[20:48] <munz-eee> and it killed the gnome 3
[20:49] <munz-eee> and started the gnome3
[20:49] <munz-eee> if i log out and back in gnome 2 works again
[20:49] <munz-eee> but no option at the login screen for gnome3 or gnome-shell
[20:49] <munz-eee> weird
[20:49] <mhall119> that's because you just installed the shell
[20:49] <mhall119> not a session
[20:50] <munz-eee> ohhhh
[20:50] <munz-eee> lol
[20:50] <mhall119> that's like just installing xfce-panel
[20:51] <munz-eee> lol, i thought it would install them side-by-side
[20:51] <munz-eee> and allow me to choose between
[20:52] <mhall119> you'd probably have to install gnome3-session or something to that effect to have the option at login
[20:53] <munz-eee> ok
[20:54] <munz-eee> mhall119, you program right?
[20:54] <mhall119> yup
[20:54] <munz-eee> where is a good place to start learning?
[20:54] <munz-eee> java, python, etc?
[20:55] <mhall119> python now, java, PHP and perl in the past
[20:55] <munz-eee> ok
[20:55] <mhall119> I got a few O'Reilly books when I started off
[20:56] <mhall119> plus online documentation and tutorials
[20:56] <mhall119> once you learn how to program, picking up a new language just requires syntax references
[20:56] <munz-eee> ok
[20:56] <munz-eee> i have been wanting to learn
[20:56] <mhall119> python is an easy one to start with
[20:57] <munz-eee> just not sure where to start, was thinking python b/c ubuntu likes it
[20:57] <munz-eee> and cross platform
[20:57] <mhall119> and there's plenty of online docs and tutorials, you probably won't even need a book unless you just want one
[20:57] <crashsystems> I've not tried gnome3 yet.
[20:58] <munz-eee> ok, how long have you been programming?
[20:58] <mhall119> 12 years
[20:58] <munz-eee> wow, you like?
[20:58] <mhall119> since I was in High School
[20:58] <mhall119> yeah, I love it
[20:58] <mhall119> it's not for everyone, you really have to have a mind for it
[20:59] <mhall119> and it turns out my mind is just right for it
[20:59] <munz-eee> cool


[04:55] <hazmat> therve, i was wondering where your twisted websocket client lib is at.. didn't see it in the branch
[04:55] <hazmat> or where you just using autobahn


 https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-ci/+packages … How do I get globalkeys from this?
 wget?
 `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-ci/unstable-ci`
 Then `sudo apt install lxqt-globalkeys`
 It should update from the ppa as the "higher" version.
 Thanks!
 I was about to wget https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-ci/+files/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.1+git201910050033~eoan-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb
 You can do that too.
 then `sudo apt install /PATH/TO/DEB`
[04:57] <guiverc> Just started a qa-full-disk-install; it has me this time in New York...  (not melbourne!)
[05:13] <guiverc> (is there a bug report for the locale/location not showing?  I can't find one)
 There is a bug report. let me dig it up.
[05:21] <guiverc> Thanks Dan :)
 bug 1845424
[05:25] <guiverc> Much appreciated...   this is a HP; I usually install on dell...  also nvidia (normally ATI/amd) ....
 I installed one today in vm. It showed Kolkata correctly when connected to internet. And New york when offline.
[06:34] <guiverc> an install today for me had a old-style grub screen; no pretty blue with bird :(
 Wow what?
[06:35] <guiverc> qa-install; replace partition on dell optiplex 780  (internet, no encryption)
[06:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL931951bf18f7: Fix Capitlization Again] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL931951bf18f7
[06:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbaa87d0bc862: Fix Capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbaa87d0bc862
[06:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9ff6b6ee4816: Reword Summary] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9ff6b6ee4816
[07:00] <guiverc> I can't get my `grub` to show on other box I installed to (it was full disk), but I gotta go..
[08:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8e7210c8d229: Remove uneeded whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8e7210c8d229
[09:41] <jojo6> hi
[10:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL43b650ae4477: Fix capitliaziation] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL43b650ae4477
[20:05] <kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 The new calamares is in stable ci. It looks like the log files have reverted to /home/lubuntu/.cache/calamares/session.log  <- NOTE the lowercase c in Calamares
[23:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL30525acaf892: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL30525acaf892
[23:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL867afe6f24f1: Fix program name] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL867afe6f24f1


[02:07] <qwebirc8499> So mythexport doesn't seem to work after restarting until I type sudo /etc/init.d/mythexport start in a terminal, anyone know how make that happen automatically?


[00:47] <tsimonq2> Congratulations to guiverc for becoming an official member of the Lubuntu project!
 oh lookit, the @wxl23 is on Telegram now!
 Django is awesome :)
 @wxl23 welcome welcome welcome
[20:08] <wxl> hey Eickmeyer you know anyone good with graphics that might be interested in being a regular lubuntu contributor?
 you mean other than yourself... oh wait that's right, you're not a graphics guy :)
 *shot*
 maybe we could create an algorithm to create a randomized wallpaper following some kind of random walk....
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Not off the top of my head, unles eylul would want to help with something.
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> Of course, that depends on the scope.
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> She's in a bit of non-commital right now.
[20:27] <wxl> well, we just really have no one really contributing artwork right now. and we suck at it, so. :)
[20:28] <wxl> here's the last wallpaper we made https://childrendrawingcenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nightmares-among-Children.jpg
 wxl: you didn't like me random walk idea?
[20:29] <wxl> believe it or not @HMollerCl it's not very artistic. i've tried before
 XD
 ooh ooh ooh I know.  ***FRACTAL ART BACKGROUNDS!***  *shot repeatedly*   (I am just joking but still xD)
[20:30] <wxl> simon insane? he went from noob to dd in like what an hour?
 in public yes
 behind closed doors
 ... well...
[20:30] <wxl> DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE 3D FRACTAL ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 randow walk fractals!!!!!
[20:30]  * wxl passes the Dutchie to the left hand side
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Uh... wow.
 I believe the wxl has failed
 again
[20:37] <wxl> see what i mean?
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> And here I thought I was nuts. Where have you people been my whole life?
 *drags wxl out back and ties them to a post*
[20:37] <wxl> i can't even figure out what channel to type in and you expect me to provide art??!?!!??!@?@@@Y!$&*^^&^^&!^&!&&&7™
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> I'm willing to bet eylul is sleeping at the moment (she lives in Istanbul, or therebouts), but you can ask her in #ubuntustudio-offtopic. Ping her Telegram handle (@azbulutlu)
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> She might be willing to help with something. She's got a great imagination.
[20:40] <kc2bez> Perhaps some sort of contest? Though I have no idea what we could offer in reward?
[20:49] <TJ-> did someone mention art?
 the Walter did
[20:49] <wxl> yes!
[20:50] <wxl> you do art, too, oh kernel master?
[21:02] <TJ-> wxl: it has been known :)
[21:15] <wxl> TJ-: well we could use some wallpapers and a new lenny (our mascot) and our release graph needs to be updated and... and...
[21:18] <TJ-> wxl: what's wrong with the 19.04 wallpaper? I liked that and then when I was testing the 19.10 due to the boot failure issue I was shocked to see the jagged triangles; very jarring
[21:18] <TJ-> oh I have a lenny in my uniemoji >> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[21:19] <wxl> TJ-: nothing's wrong with 19.04 but would like to do something different with every release
[21:19] <wxl> but afaik that hasn't changed so if you're seeing those darn triangles i'm going to throw hands really quick
[21:19] <TJ-> wxl: why not be subtle... change the colour slightly or something
[21:19] <kc2bez> We need an ermine Lenny
[21:19] <wxl> ^^^ that
[21:19] <TJ-> which that?
[21:20] <wxl> i don't know that we have the originals anymore
[21:20] <wxl> ermine lenny
[21:20] <kc2bez> We missed a dingo Lenny :(
[21:20] <wxl> i know
[21:20] <wxl> it makes me sad and upset
[21:20] <wxl> which is why we really need an art person!!!
[21:21] <TJ-> lenny is the penguin thing small in the corner on the phabriactor page?
[21:21] <wxl> yep
[21:21] <TJ-> it's SVG?
[21:21] <TJ-> is it packaged?
[21:21] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny
[21:21] <wxl> there's various svg's that you can use
[21:22] <wxl> we should make a lenny package :)
[21:22] <kc2bez> Lennify your Lubuntu
[21:22] <TJ-> yes, there should be. Who are these mythical art and marketing teams?
[21:23] <TJ-> I have to say, most of those poses look like lenny is either constipated or confused
[21:24] <TJ-> the eyes should be more vertically oval, and the pupils in matching positions
[21:25] <wxl> it was made by rafael/redwolf who stepped down :(
[21:26] <wxl> @tsimonq2: were there some special license considerations on raf's artwork?
[21:26] <TJ-> the art itself is very good, and a nice set of alternatives
[21:27] <wxl> we have another artwork person that really helped us get there with 18.10 but they've been busy
[21:27] <wxl> so it's kind of.. no one
[21:28] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75
[21:28] <TJ-> is the copyright licence clearly recorded; that's always the major issue if not handled from the start
[21:28] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76
[21:29] <wxl> i'll have tsimonq2 get back to us on that; i'm just going by memory :/
[21:30] <wxl> also the release cycle image at the bottom here needs fixed https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[21:33] <kc2bez> wxl: is lugito not working?
[21:33] <wxl> apparently not
[21:34] <wxl> wait
[21:34] <wxl> yeah lugito
[21:34] <wxl> telegram is ok
[21:35] <kc2bez> Yeah not lubot lugito our phab tie in.
[21:36] <kc2bez> Geez, punctuation might have added clarity to that^
[21:36] <wxl> oh hm i should probably do this in screen huh
[21:37] <kc2bez> It helps if you get dumped :P
[21:37] <wxl> ok i think we're set now
[21:37] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76
[21:37]  * wxl sighs
[21:38]  * kc2bez is sorry
[21:39] <kc2bez> No worries wxl I just thought I'd mention that I noticed it.
[21:40] <wxl> ugh i'm installing tmux i can't deal with this screen crap
[21:40] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76
[21:40] <wxl> well invalid password for lugito, so that's a thing
[21:41] <wxl> but also ssl.SSLError: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:847)
[21:41] <wxl> @tsimonq2: fix lugito love you bye
 loljk ok
[21:43] <wxl> @tsimonq2: probably just a simple amtter of getting a new cert from phab
[21:43] <wxl> ..but if that's going to be a thing we might have to automate processes
 That's @teward001's fun
[22:22] <wxl> @teward001 how can i easily grow root on an lxd container? zfs if it matters
 @tsimonq2 does Lugito inherit from the system ca-certificates store or does it roll its own
[22:32]  * wxl shrugs
 wxl: good question
 thatd be a question for #lxcontainers
 I dont have the answer
[22:33] <wxl> kk
 are we out of space or smth?
 and as for the certs
 if Lugito inherits from ca-certificates
 I just have to add the internal CA to Lugito's server
 and Simon has to restart the bot
 and it should then verify
 without issue
[22:34] <wxl> i can do the restart
 ok give me 30 minutes I am dead tired from work today
 it was a stressful day so I need a short rest
[22:35] <wxl> all good. i'm here for another 2 hours
[22:36] <wxl> and meanwhile i'm faffing around with this enormous zip file and how to deal with it *sigh*
[22:36] <wxl> and refreshing the status page of work's payment processor which had a power outage at 9am and has been down ALL DAY ugh
 @teward001 [@tsimonq2 does Lugito inherit from the system ca-certificates store or does it r …], No clue
 OK we will need to test that
 Waaait...
 Lugito is the one still on my personal server
[22:38] <wxl> no
 I still need to move that over
 Yes?
 Yes
[22:38] <wxl> there's a container for it
 hail hydra.
 It's not there
[22:38] <wxl> it's there
 It's running
 wxl: doesnt mean it's actually there yet?
 @wxl [<wxl> it's there], The config is old
[22:38] <wxl> well go fix it then!
 I'm 110% sure, wxl
 I will
[22:40] <wxl> is that not a matter of a git pull?
[22:42]  * wxl pokes tsimonq2
[22:45]  * wxl gathers the heavy artillery
 well if Simon's lugito is not working right that's a different issue heh
 Phab from outside the infra will hit the valid Let's Encrypt normally AIUI
 if not then Simon needs to add this root cert we have for internal to Lugito
 or move it to LXD already
 ears perk up
 Someone say infra running on LXD?
[23:48] <wxl> all of ours does except for lugito apparently :/
[23:51] <wxl> Dear Mutsuko,
[23:51] <wxl> ugh


[01:43] <NewToLubuntu> I am running 18.04 LTS now, could someone run me through how to make a boot disk for the lates version using LXQT?
[01:59] <guiverc> Sorry NewToLubuntu I don't understand.  LXQt comes with 18.10 & later releases of Ubuntu, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS & earlier uses LXDE  (a GTK+ based desktop)
[02:07] <NewToLubuntu> right, been thinking I should try out the new one to see if it would fix my graphics errors
[02:07] <NewToLubuntu> I get black screens on normal startup, only troubleshoot mode (exit out) seems to disable graphics problems somehow
[03:57] <Lub18042lts> If I have 3 screens connected, is it possible to make just the second and third mirror each other, with the first being the main and extending over to the second/third?
[04:00] <Lub18042lts> hang on i think I got it, let me reset to see if it keeps
[04:08] <Lub18042lts> how do i automount sda1 (an internal storage drive) on each startup?
[10:12] <Netizan> exit
[12:23] <u1u1> just installed lubuntu 18. it was a pain guys
[12:24] <u1u1> i love lubuntu 16 and it "just works" installing lubuntu 18 is hard. the kde partioner refuse to delete the partions i need. so i had to do dd on the disc i wanted to install on
[12:28] <u1u1> I am a long time user of lubuntu, and i just wanted to give you my feedback. I love this distro and it's also why i want to run 18 cause I know you guys put in a lot of work. But it just seems like a lot of problems arise
[12:31] <u1u1> like why is there no "addtional drivers" ?
[12:32] <u1u1> I upgrade to 18 and it got bells and whistels but if i want to install nvidia graphics i have to go trough terminal ?
[12:37] <u1u1> maybe because it got bought up by canonical. guess we just can't have good thing :(
[12:40] <u1u1>  ubuntu-drivers devices > sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall > sudo apt install nvidia-390
[12:40] <u1u1> it's more work than opening up additional drivers imo
[12:44] <u1u1> nothing works, guess its back to 16. as we say in Denmark "det er em ommer"
[16:19] <rizwan_> Hi all, good to be in this chat room. I am a new user of Lubuntu and Linux, and am experiencing a mini-breakdown about once a week. I look forward to sharing this journey with you all


[02:53] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: got this pr for adding validation for controller-external-name, could u take a look? thanks https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11845
[09:52] <stickupkid> anybody know what the yaml should look like for model-defaults, zero tests
[09:53] <stickupkid> as in `juju model-defaults something.yaml`
[09:54] <stickupkid> it's not the same as `juju model-config` which is handy /s
[10:09] <stickupkid> juju model-defaults -m doesn't work right?
[15:46] <stickupkid> hml, so you're right we don't need to adjust model-defaults for charmhub-url, but I did bring the command up to parity with model-config https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11848
[15:50] <hml> stickupkid: does it not allow setting the value to empty string?
[15:50] <stickupkid> the only thing I didn't check... damn it
[15:53] <stickupkid> hml: it works when you try to add-model


[07:53] <tdr112> morning all
[07:54] <tdr112> slashtommy: does the pub do food
[07:55] <czajkowski> herrro
[08:21] <slashtommy> tdr112: they do, not sure what time they stop
[08:22] <slashtommy> and the food would not be of the same quality as somewhere like mulligans in stoneybatter
[08:45] <tdr112> slashtommy: i will check it out
[08:50] <slashtommy> there are many places to get food on capel street, i want to check out the sushi place
[13:59] <czajkowski> Quantal Quetzal 12.10 -  http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1121


[01:15] <bjsnider> the new nvidia blob has a new file, a daemon. i checked and it has its own install script with a procedure for sysv, upstart, or systemd, depending on what the script finds on the target system.
[01:16] <bjsnider> no idea how tseliot wants to deal with that, but that is now the latest stable driver
[04:25] <tjaalton> bjsnider: no not released yet
[04:26] <tjaalton> bjsnider: this is the latest 319 driver?
[06:29] <tjaalton> a new touch fix branch up
[06:40] <mlankhorst> RAOF_: do you still use your nexus 7?
[14:32] <bjsnider> tjaalton, 319.17
[14:40] <bjsnider> they promoted it to stable
[14:57] <tjaalton> bjsnider: right
[14:59] <ricotz> will be in edgers in asap
[16:48] <bjsnider> ricotz, how do you intend to deal with that new daemon and the install script and whatnot?
[16:50] <tjaalton> right, please work with tseliot on those to avoid unnecessary conflicts
[16:51] <tseliot> bjsnider, ricotz: I'm working on it but I'm waiting for Nvidia to get back on some questions on backwards compatibility first
[16:51] <tseliot> (as I'm packaging it separately)
[16:57] <bjsnider> tseliot, i checked your git repo last night looking for the latest scripts, but it's still 304 and hasn't been updated for 6 months
[16:58] <tseliot> bjsnider: maybe have a look at the different branches?
[16:58] <tseliot> my 319 branch is not there yet, it's only local for now
[17:06] <ricotz> bjsnider, tseliot, i don't have an optimus setup here and i can't really test these new things in this direction
[17:07] <tseliot> ricotz: fortunately I can and I'm working on a package to make prime a little easier
[17:07] <ricotz> tseliot, i guess it isn't much trouble when file conflicts happening
[17:08] <ricotz> tseliot, alright :)
[17:09] <ricotz> (i am happy to run the plain driver so far)
[17:16] <bjsnider> tseliot, so the daemon will  be a separate optional package?
[17:16] <bjsnider> i didn't know nvidia was having so much trouble starting up fast that they felt the need to install a daemon to do it
[17:17] <tseliot> bjsnider: yes, unless nvidia decides that each driver version needs to have its own daemon with the same version
[17:22] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: looks like its just for cuda on a secondary card not being used as a gpu from the discription


[00:36] <tonk> Do you know if  there is any way to change the name of the "Pages" in the Plasma netbook environment? (I find no "activity" option in the menu while configuring the desktop, as in the non-netbook edition)
[00:57] <tonk> is this always so silent? This is the first time I connect.. is this a user's-support channel, or just intended for developers?
[01:04] <tonk> good day..
[08:48] <agrigini> salve
[09:26] <kilo_byte> hey.. i have more than 1 desktop enrvironment. how can i uninstall everything other than Kde
[09:28] <tsimpson> !purekde
[09:28] <tsimpson> kilo_byte: try that link
[09:28] <kilo_byte> okie
[09:28] <kilo_byte> its not just gnome
[09:28] <kilo_byte> xfce, lde , unity.
[09:28] <kilo_byte> pretty much of everything :P
[09:28] <tsimpson> it has instructions for most *-desktop packages
[09:29] <tsimpson> ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, and edubuntu
[09:29] <kilo_byte> tsimpson, my system has gone pretty slow too
[09:29] <tsimpson> the others shouldn't be hard to remove
[09:29] <kilo_byte> is there something I can do about that
[09:29] <tsimpson> probably the best thing to try is replacing the HDD
[09:30] <kilo_byte> hdd aint that old :D
[09:30] <tsimpson> and upgrade RAM if you can, that's always a good way to get a boost
[09:30] <kilo_byte> besides its not economical :P
[09:30] <tsimpson> HDD's tend to get very inefficient over time
[09:30] <kilo_byte> i have 3 gb ram and 500 hdd more than enough for kubuntu i suppose
[09:31] <tsimpson> you could possibly do a fresh install, not so bad if you have a separate partition for /home
[09:31] <kilo_byte> yep . they do
[09:31] <kilo_byte> but its just 2 years ;)
[09:32] <kilo_byte> i dont have a seprate one :P
[09:32] <kilo_byte> i think i will back up that one
[09:32] <tsimpson> !home
[09:33] <tsimpson> it's very useful, especially if you ever want to reinstall or completely replace your OS
[09:33] <kilo_byte> !bin
[09:33] <kilo_byte> i have got windows too :P
[09:33] <kilo_byte> which is really a pain
[09:34] <kilo_byte> !kubuntu-desktop
[09:35] <tsimpson> sooner or later you get tired of dual-booting, or you realise that you've been avoiding it for so long it's not really worth you keeping windows around
[09:36] <tsimpson> besides, you can get windows in a VM pretty easily
[09:36] <kilo_byte> tsimpson, there is only one use of windows for me
[09:36] <kilo_byte> google input tools
[09:36] <kilo_byte> and writing :D
[09:37] <tsimpson> the only time I've ever needed windows is when some device needed special drivers to interact with, and those drivers only existed for windows
[09:37] <tsimpson> and for those I just used a VM
[09:38] <kilo_byte> windows 8 has a pretty good UI
[09:38] <smartboyhw> kilo_byte, I hate Metro UI
[09:38] <kilo_byte> and it boots pretty fast too
[09:39] <kilo_byte> metro UI
[09:39] <kilo_byte> havent hear smartboyhw
[09:39] <kilo_byte> heard*
[09:39] <smartboyhw> kilo_byte, Metro UI = Windows 8 UI
[09:40] <kilo_byte> smartboyhw,  oh.. cool
[09:40] <smartboyhw> kilo_byte, not cool
[09:41] <kilo_byte> :P
[10:35] <yossarianuk> hi
[10:35] <yossarianuk> how can you scan files to see what has the 'execstack' flag enabled ?
[10:42] <Dardo> how can i connect samsung tab 7
[10:46] <yossarianuk> # find . -name \*.so -exec execstack -q {} \;   - does it
[11:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:52] <marcellux> hi. I've got a problem. when I connect my laptop to my tv via HDMI nothing happens. any ideas?
[11:53] <eur33r> KDE is so slow
[11:53] <eur33r> it doesn't run on 2.2GHz dual core celeron
[11:54] <ikonia> eur33r: why do you think it's the cpu that's the bottleneck /?
[11:55] <eur33r> CPU usage, 30% idle
[11:55] <eur33r> anyway
[11:55] <eur33r> I also have 4GB RAM
[11:55] <ikonia> that doesn't mean it's causing a slow down
[11:56] <eur33r> ATI Radeon 6450 HD
[11:56] <ikonia> as if it was slowing down you'd expect more usage as it would be bottlenecking
[11:56] <eur33r> and yeah that#s all the information I am allowed to give you
[11:56] <ikonia> allowed to give me ?
[11:56] <eur33r> not my computer
[11:56] <eur33r> you might hack it
[11:57] <ikonia> then no point discussing it any more - please don't raise this topic again unless you are willing to provide information
[11:58] <hateball> marcellux: well what do you expect to happen? are you telling the OS to actually output any image over hdmi?
[11:58] <eur33r> ikonia: okay, what info do you need?
[11:58] <eur33r> just ask
[11:58] <Leoneof> your password?
[11:58] <ikonia> eur33r: version of kubuntu, the configuration you've done on your video card, what's slow, what's not slow,
[12:00] <Leoneof> eur33r: the animation to min/max window is slow ,right?
 no. I did not. I thought I just plug the cable and I can see my desktop on the tv
[12:01] <eur33r> Leoneof: yes
[12:01] <marcellux> like I do with windows
[12:02] <eur33r> ikonia: too personal tbh
[12:02] <ikonia> eur33r: then please don't ask for help with the problem
[12:03] <eur33r> ikonia: stop trolling
[12:08] <hateball> marcellux: It depends on what graphics chipset you have. If you have for instance Intel, you can use KDE's native plasmoid to change output
[12:08] <hateball> marcellux: Also it helps to know which version of Kubuntu you're running, as later versions use kscreen
[12:09] <classicchins> Any one there?
[12:09] <classicchins> hello
[12:09] <classicchins> i need some help from Mac users who use Kubuntu on mac
[12:10] <marcellux> I am using 12.10 with Kernel 3.10.0. It seems the OS does not even know how to deal with the HDMI port
[12:11] <classicchins> hey
[12:11] <classicchins> i am having some trouble
[12:12] <hateball> !anyone
[12:12] <classicchins> @marcellux , i have installed Kubuntu 12.04 LTS on macbook, but once i restart after installation, i can't get to chose Kubuntu :(
[12:12] <hateball> marcellux: And what graphics chipset do you use?
[12:13] <classicchins> any there who can help me with this ?
[12:13] <hateball> marcellux: And do you use any proprietary drivers?
 How can I find out what graphic chipset I am using? and if I'm using propietary drivers?
 I am sorry, I cannot help you with that. I never installed LInux on Mac
[12:18] <hateball> marcellux: In a terminal, "lspci|grep VGA" should give you some hint
[12:18] <hateball> marcellux: jockey-kde can be used to install proprietary drivers for nVidia or Ati
 this is the result:
[12:19] <marcellux> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[12:19] <marcellux> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Madison [Radeon HD 5000M Series]
[12:22] <hateball> marcellux: I know next to nothing about ATI, but I think you should install the proprietary drivers using jockey-kde and that might make things work automagically
 thanks. I will try that with the additional drivers for the 3rd party drives!
[12:23] <hateball> :)
[12:27] <classicchins> shadeslayer: i need help with dual boot .. i have installed Kubuntu on mac , but once installation is finished, and i reboot the machine, i am not able to chose between OSX and Installed Kubuntu
[12:27] <shadeslayer> right
[12:27] <shadeslayer> hi
[12:27] <shadeslayer> classicchins: what machine do you have?
[12:27] <classicchins> macbook pro 9,2
[12:27] <shadeslayer> okay cool
[12:27] <shadeslayer> so there are two ways to fix this
[12:27] <classicchins> okay,
[12:27] <shadeslayer> you can a) hold option at boot to choose between OS X and Kubuntu
[12:27] <shadeslayer> or b) You can install refind which is what I did
[12:28] <shadeslayer> see http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/
[12:28] <classicchins> shadeslayer: well, i had chosen the first way,
[12:28] <shadeslayer> refind gives you the advantage of kernel stub booting
[12:28] <shadeslayer> so you bypass grub and you can directly boot the kernel from the EFI bootloader
[12:28] <classicchins> but, once i install, and reboot .. and hold the option key during startup, again, i can't find the option to chose
[12:29] <classicchins> hmmm.. so that leaves me only that option left ?
[12:29] <jussi> refind is nice
[12:29] <jussi> I recommend it
[12:30] <classicchins> thanks jussi and shadeslayer , lemme try using that now :(
[12:30] <shadeslayer> classicchins: yeah, use refind if holding the option key doesn't work
[12:31] <classicchins> had same issues with Ubuntu earlier @shadeslayer .. but it worked for few weeks, and then again stopped working .. now i am moving to Kubuntu and from the beginning its not working
[12:32] <classicchins> lemme see what i can do with refind now ..
[12:33] <shadeslayer> carlosbuz: I suspect some sort of grub-efi issue
[12:33] <shadeslayer> but I haven't used grub in a long time since I started using efi stub booting
 unfortunatelly, it did not work. I got an error message telling me to take a look at the jockey.log. could this be caused because of using a higher kernel than what it sues this kubuntu version?
[12:38] <hateball> marcellux: oh you're using a custom kernel?
[12:38] <hateball> backported or such
[12:38] <hateball> and yes I guess that could be an issue. to be honest I havent used restricted drivers in years, I tend to stick to Intel for hasslefree computing ;p
 the kernel I got it from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
 got version v3.10-saucy
[12:41] <hateball> marcellux: Yes, sadly I do not know how well that works together with something like jockey
[12:41] <hateball> But someone else in here might, so stick around I guess
[12:43] <marcellux> I will try to go back to the roots, with the original kernel I should be using according to my kubuntu version
[12:48] <BluesKaj> marcellux, good plan , then you'll have the correct kernel modules available for your hardware
[12:50] <marcellux> thanks. I will go now offline for a bit. I hope it works. cheers
[12:53] <simpleirc1> shadeslayer: der ?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> simpleirc1: hi?
[13:09] <classicchins> Yo
[13:09] <classicchins> @shadeslayer der ?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:09] <shadeslayer> hi
[13:10] <classicchins> I am on mobile now.. I just have to follow same installation procedure with redifin too rt ?
[13:10] <classicchins> Sorry its refind
[13:11] <classicchins> ?
[13:19] <classicchins> Hmmmm
[13:27] <classicchins_> @shadeslayer
[13:27] <shadeslayer> classicchins_: oh sorry
[13:27] <shadeslayer> you just download the deb and install it
[13:27] <shadeslayer> that's all you have to do
[13:27] <shadeslayer> and then reboot
[13:27] <classicchins_> shadeslayer: setting up kubuntu now ..
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[13:28] <classicchins_> just the same way i did earlier, but this time i have installed rEFInd
[13:28] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[13:28] <classicchins_> hope this time it works fine !
[13:28] <classicchins_> i dont have a pretty good connection and its taking long time to install the packages .. 4th time installing today :(
[13:29] <mauricio> mauro_: Hi
[13:29] <shadeslayer> classicchins_: which version are you installing?
[13:29] <classicchins_> 12.04
[13:29] <classicchins_> LTS
[13:30] <shadeslayer> uhmmm .. I'd recommend 13.04
[13:30] <shadeslayer> atleast
[13:30] <classicchins_> shadeslayer :  oh :( i dont want to follow same procedure again :( damn .. butw, can i directly upgrade some way or the other to 13.04 ?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> because the kernel is more recent, probably has better support and I know that the 64 bit kubuntu ISO can be booted off a USB stick
[13:31] <shadeslayer> you can sure, but the biggest issue is booting into Kubuntu once you install
[13:31] <classicchins_> hmmm :( what do u suggest me to do now ?
[13:31] <shadeslayer> wasn't that your biggest issue?
[13:31] <shadeslayer> that you can't reboot into kubuntu once you install it
[13:31] <mauricio> mauro:ping
[13:31] <mauricio> mauro_: ping
[13:31] <classicchins_> shadeslayer : yes, that was
[13:32] <shadeslayer> classicchins_: yeah, so 13.04 doesn't have that issue AFAIK
[13:32] <classicchins_> shadeslayer: lemme try rebooting now .. i ll ping u here once i am done for now.. lets continue upgrading discussion later ..
[13:32] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:32] <shadeslayer> here's the thing
[13:32] <classicchins_> :)
[13:32] <classicchins_> k
[13:32] <shadeslayer> if you can reboot into kubuntu, awesome
[13:32] <shadeslayer> then you don't need to upgrade
[13:33] <shadeslayer> but if you can't, then you'll need to download 13.04 and install that
[13:33] <classicchins_> shadeslayer: Even i hope it will reboot .. if it fails, again i ll have to download and install 13.04 and see if it works fine !
[13:33] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[13:33] <classicchins_> shadeslayer : rebooting.. cya later once i do login after reboot :)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:37] <classicchins> @shadeslayer : m on mob now.. Its a failure again :(
[13:37] <shadeslayer> classicchins: thought so
[13:38] <shadeslayer> classicchins: please download the 64 bit 13.04 ISO
[13:38] <shadeslayer> note that only the 64 bit one works
[13:38] <shadeslayer> the 32 bit one doesn't have grub-efi
[13:39] <classicchins> Shadeslayer: from mobile now.. It's a failure again :(
[13:39] <shadeslayer> oh
 classicchins: please download the 64 bit 13.04 ISO
 note that only the 64 bit one works
 the 32 bit one doesn't have grub-efi
[13:40] <shadeslayer> classicchins: ^^
[13:40] <classicchins> In boot menu ... I had 2 options.. One for mac and other to load linux.. When i chose linux it failed andbasked to insert boot device
[13:40] <classicchins> :(
[13:41] <classicchins> I am trying 64 bit onw
[13:41] <classicchins> Now again i ll have to wait for 1 day to get 13.04 downloaded :(
[13:43] <shadeslayer> classicchins: yeah, macs are horribkle
[13:43] <shadeslayer> I've vowed never to get one again
[13:44] <classicchins> Shadeslayer: lol.. Any ways.. Thanks for ya time.. Cya tomo :)
[13:45] <classicchins> Shadeslayer: but i love mac n macos ;)
[13:45] <shadeslayer> classicchins: heh, sure, but they charge you apple tax for no reason
[13:46] <shadeslayer> I got swayed by the guy selling the laptop at the apple store
[13:46] <classicchins> Shadeslayer : i know :( i wish they lay it off soon :(
[13:47] <shadeslayer> lol, probably never going to happen
[13:47] <classicchins> Lol
[13:47] <shadeslayer> why do you think they have billions in the bank
[13:47] <classicchins> True that ;)
[13:47]  * shadeslayer will get a thinkpad + beefy desktop next year
[13:47] <shadeslayer> my MBP is now > 2 years old
[13:47] <shadeslayer> probably going to die by next year
[13:48] <classicchins> Hmmm..
[13:49] <classicchins> Shadeslayer: any ways :( cya around tomo once i try with 13.04
[13:49] <classicchins> Hope that will work :(
[13:49] <shadeslayer> it will
[13:50] <classicchins> Hope it ll
[13:50] <classicchins> Or else m going to hang myself.. Lol
[13:50] <classicchins> Cya.. Thanks a lot again :)
[13:51] <ikonia> shadeslayer: do you run kubuntu on your macbook ?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> ikonia: yes
[13:52] <ikonia> which year macbook is it ?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> 8,2
[13:53] <ikonia> how do you find it ?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> depends, I had *alot* of issues when I bought it
[13:53] <shadeslayer> which was in late mid 2011
[13:53] <shadeslayer> s/late//
[13:53] <ikonia> a lot of issues with it as a device, or a lot of issues running kubuntu on it
[13:54] <shadeslayer> the latter
[13:54] <shadeslayer> primarily because the kernel didn't have proper hardware support
[13:54] <ikonia> yes, hence my questioning,
[13:54] <shadeslayer> it's alot better now
[13:54] <ikonia> due you dual boot it with mac OS, or pure kubuntu ?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ikonia: I've done both in the past, but I have OS X now because sometimes I have to call up apple support for part replacements and they only support OS X fore debugging
[13:55] <shadeslayer> so far I've had my battery and HDD replaced ( over the course of 2 years )
[13:55] <ikonia> shadeslayer: how do you manage the booting ?
[13:55] <ikonia> that's shockingly bad luck for hardware failure
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ikonia: I use refind which allows me to directly boot the kernel
[13:55] <ss_haze> I need to make a short cut to command on kde desktop like sudo dolphin /var/www
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ss_haze: you could put a desktop file with : kdesudo dolphin
[13:56] <ikonia> shadeslayer: so you basically put a layer into the efi setup,
[13:56] <ss_haze> ah
[13:56] <shadeslayer> not sure if dolphin takes arguments
[13:56] <shadeslayer> okay it does
[13:56] <ss_haze> so I create .desktop file
[13:56] <ss_haze> I forgot this
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ikonia: kinda, EFI allows you to run additional scripts once it sets up everything
[13:56] <shadeslayer> refind is just a EFI script
[13:57] <shadeslayer> which allows you to choose between OS's/Kernels and even allows you to boot grub EFI
[13:57] <shadeslayer> kernel stub booting is necessary on the 8,2 because with grub efi something goes wrong with the radeon card
[13:57] <shadeslayer> but works perfectly with kernel stub booting
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ikonia: though the hardware itself is bad in certain ways
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ikonia: for eg the aluminium shell gets dented easily
[13:59] <shadeslayer> I dropped it a couple of times and one of the edges is pressed in
[14:00] <shadeslayer> then it has heating issues because the body is all aluminium
[14:00] <ikonia> shadeslayer: I concur, it's a mixed bag of good/bad
[14:00] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:00] <shadeslayer> but I won't ever buy another MBP again
[14:00] <shadeslayer> too much apple tax
[14:01] <ikonia> I was curious to how you'd found it with kubuntu and especially the boot management
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Get a Dell / Thinkpad + 3 year warranty
[14:01] <BluesKaj> it's a shame how some manufacturers won't supply drivers for linux users , altho most HW is supported there some anomalies that are constantly ignored. Lexmark (most) and Creative SB CAO132 are a couple of examples
[14:01] <ikonia> I'm sat here now on my second thinkpad with perfect support and stability
[14:01] <shadeslayer> ikonia: well ... I can definitely say that the average person who buys a MBP won't be able to run Kubuntu on it
[14:01] <shadeslayer> you'll need to mess with too many things
[14:01] <ikonia> BluesKaj: apple is an exception to the rule, they do make it %101 clear when you buy and in support that their hardware/software platform is a black box
[14:02] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:02] <BluesKaj> ikonia, and with most things apple , you pay for support , correct ?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> btw with Windows 8.1 coming up TPM chips will become mandatory
[14:03] <ikonia> BluesKaj: partly, there is a good warranty
[14:03] <shadeslayer> so not sure how much I can trust computers with 8.1
[14:03] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: I have an extended warranty
[14:03] <shadeslayer> cost me 300 USD I think
[14:04] <shadeslayer> gives you a extended 2 year cover period which does not involve the battery
[14:04] <shadeslayer> but I managed to talk them into replacing mine for free
[14:04] <BluesKaj> never owned any apple prods , altho my daughter has an IMac which has a dead HDD ,and replacement is really complicated and expensive.
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yep, if you go through the official channels it's super expensive :<
[14:05] <BluesKaj> so she bought a lenovo thru her friend'scompany , saving about 40%
[14:06] <shadeslayer> whoa
[14:06]  * shadeslayer needs to find people at lenovo :P
[14:06] <shadeslayer> then I can buy a thinkpad for super cheap prices xD
[14:06] <shadeslayer> I'm waiting for a thinkpad with a Intel 4400 chip + a FHD display
[14:07] <shadeslayer> and that's less than 1.5 KG's :P
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ok , bbl ... gotta check some things
[14:11] <claycorn> hello
[16:37] <jcgs> Hi, has anyone here had any luck running xen? I've installed it, but when I choose the hypervised kernel it gets most of the way through the boot process and htne hangs before the login screen comes up. It won't even respond to crtl-alt-del at that stage, and I have to pull the plug :(
[16:41] <ikonia> jcgs: sounds like a hardware problem/incomaptability
[16:41] <ikonia> jcgs: what's the last thing it does on screen
[16:42] <ikonia> jcgs: try to not to cross-post questions across mulitple channel too please.
[16:53] <jcgs> ikonia: i definitely have hardware virtualization, and it's enabled in bios. The last thing on screen is either the kubuntu logo (if booting with splash) or lots of * starting... type entries (if using nosplash)
[16:53] <jcgs> ikonia: will it be listed anywhere in a log file, that sort of thing?
[16:53] <ikonia> jcgs: note it down, boot it withou the splash
[16:55] <jcgs> ikonia: will be writing for quite some time. I've only see it claim to be starting lightdm once though, and it still hung after that :(
[16:55] <ikonia> just get the last one or two entries
[16:55] <ikonia> or get anyone that it hangs on
[16:55] <jcgs> kk
[16:55] <jcgs> it doesn't seem to get stuck doing anything though... it seems to do everything it says it's doing sucessfully
[17:06] <jcgs> ikonia: it failed again :( the last two things were * stopping [OK] * starting CUPS printer spooler/server [OK]
[17:06] <jcgs> ikonia: i think it's stopped on the cups one a lot
[17:10] <ikonia> it shouldn't be stopping anything
[17:10] <ikonia> it should be starting
[17:17] <jcgs> ikonia: it stops lots of things
[17:18] <jcgs> like "restore sound cards mixer states
[17:18] <jcgs> ikonia: going to have dinner now, but will leave IRC open.
[18:25] <arkanabar> Is there a KDE plasmoid that will hold the mouse pointer locked in place?
[18:25] <arkanabar> There used to be a panel widget for that in gnome 2, and I would LOVE to have that for my laptop.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> arkanabar, does synaptiks have such a feature ?
[18:30] <arkanabar> BluesKaj: not sure, not on my lappy right now.
[18:33] <BluesKaj> I don't recall such a feature , but I haven't had access to my laptop in over a yr :P
[18:33] <arkanabar> I'm using 12.04 on it.
[18:35] <genii> BluesKaj: Are you running 13.10 right now?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:36] <BluesKaj> genii, ^
[18:37] <genii> BluesKaj: I asked my Q in +1 :-)
[18:39] <BluesKaj> yup genii , I saw it
[19:57] <PewPewPew> For people that use non-stock kernels. pf vs liquorix? I have been luqirox *zen really) for years. But would like to hear others experiences
[19:58] <PewPewPew> liquorix (zen really)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> PewPewPew, I dropped it after about a month , didn't see much benefit and it mucked up my graphics driver after an upgrade on 13.04 last week
[19:59] <BluesKaj> liquorix that is
[19:59] <PewPewPew> Well this is basic intel (not i7) so its pretty simple going
[20:00] <PewPewPew> And even with liquorix its not that /hard/ to get it going even after an update
[20:00] <PewPewPew> nvidia that is
[20:00] <BluesKaj> ok , my graphics is nvidia 8400gs pci
[20:00] <PewPewPew> you just need to use the manual nvidia installer on kernels such as these
[20:00] <PewPewPew> and remember to reinstall after each kernel upgrade (as long as you have headers)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> well , i'm not a gamer so i don't see much difference
[20:01] <PewPewPew> Ya, I dont really care about that, I just wanted the ck patchset
[20:01] <PewPewPew> As I have been using Con Kolivas' work for over 10 years now
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I bought the graphics card to connect to our TV HDMI input
[20:02] <PewPewPew> k
[20:03] <PewPewPew> This is just a buildbox/desktop in a 1U server
[20:03] <PewPewPew> And its all simple intel stuff, integrated, not APU
[20:03] <PewPewPew> GMA3500 and stuff, even on my thinkpad
[20:03] <BluesKaj> but using a debian kernel for graphics in my case wasn't the right choice
[20:03] <PewPewPew> This sucks I bored my old ~/ dir, I have so much configuration to do
[20:04] <PewPewPew> borked*
[20:04] <BluesKaj> why not just reinstall to / ?
[20:04] <PewPewPew> Reinstall zsh, setup all my aliases, give sudo passwordless access (I dont allow zsh except from LAN
[20:05] <PewPewPew> BluesKaj:drive died
[20:05] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:05] <PewPewPew> Now I got my 1U buildbox/desktop I grabbed on the cheap. And thats gonna be a desktp rather than my thinkpad
[20:05] <BluesKaj> zsh ?
[20:05] <PewPewPew> Yes, I love zsh
[20:05] <PewPewPew> Myuch more powerful than bash imho
[20:05] <BluesKaj> oh
[20:07] <PewPewPew> brb. need to reboot or relogin totally to get zsh fully going
[20:16] <leonardocr> hello, I need some help, I want to customize an live CD of ubuntu 13.04, I used uck, remastersys and the manual method, but it not work (excuse my english)
[20:17] <BluesKaj> !custom
[20:18] <BluesKaj> !customize
[20:18] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:19] <leonardocr> BluesKaj, I don't understand
[20:21] <BluesKaj> leonardocr, I was trying to invoke the factoid bot , like this
[20:21] <BluesKaj> !uck
[20:22] <BluesKaj> but there used to be another tool to do so , but I've forgotten the name
[20:25] <BluesKaj> !remastersys
[20:25] <BluesKaj> hmm
[20:26] <Unit193> !remaster
[20:27] <BluesKaj> leonardocr, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Fully-Customized-Live-Kde-Cd/Dvd-Using-Kubuntu
[20:28] <leonardocr> ahh, ok BluesKaj, but I used uck with kubuntu 13.04 but I get an error when it is creating the iso
[20:29] <BluesKaj> leonardocr, that tutorial uses remastersys
[20:31] <BluesKaj> looks like a lot of work to me , don't think I can be bothered
[20:36] <leonardocr> BluesKaj, I followed that tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization, but finally when I was testing, I get an error
[20:45] <Guest40539> Hello
[20:46] <frantic_> hay!
[20:46] <Guest40539> Is Kubuntu any good?
[20:46] <Pibble> Sure why not
[20:46] <Pibble> I run it
[20:47] <Guest40539> I'm saving up for a sony vaio and im looking for a linux distro to run on it
[20:47] <frantic_> cool
[20:47] <Guest40539> Yeah. Does kubuntu have a software center
[20:53] <genii> Guest40539: It uses muon by default, same idea
[23:43] <lurkan> Hello ,
[23:44] <lurkan> #list
[23:44] <wxl> so i have a pdf form appparently filled out in os x by writer (assumedly this is the print to file function; i didn't make it) and when i open it in okular i can see all the form data. however, if i print it, there is no data. any ideas?
[23:58] <chachan> guys, I'm having the following issue to get connected to a VPN http://paste.kde.org/ped994ad0/ Any idea?
[23:59] <chachan> what's that about tun0?


[05:22] <alexanderazimov> Good night world
[05:33] <andrewDROID> http://xkcd.com/838/
[05:33] <PennBot> Title: xkcd: Incident (at xkcd.com)
[05:49] <ChinnoDog> I crashed btrfs
[05:49] <ChinnoDog> I guess this is not surprising
[05:49] <jthan> lol
[05:50] <ChinnoDog> Do not create a btrfs file system with 16k blocks
[16:04] <andrew> morning
[16:04] <SamuraiAlba> Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fthagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
[16:09] <EvilPhoenix> um... lol?
[16:12] <SamuraiAlba> Working on floppy code for the kernel.  Sacrificing to the Old Gods is said to help :)
[22:03] <lamlex> merry xmas
[22:03] <lamlex> hi ChinnoDog
[23:43] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: I just realized that I didn't answer your Windows question from earlier


[08:23] <lazka> guy, I just logged in and launchpad created a new account for me.. and I can't access my old one
[08:30] <lazka> seems my account got hijacked..damn
[20:38] <shadeslayer> erm, is launchpad throttling download speed of sources? Because pulling a source tarball from launchpad is taking forever
[20:40] <shadeslayer> huh, that's even more weird, pull-lp-source was downloading stuff slowly, whereas dgetting works just fine
[21:11] <almien> when "quickly release" gives error bzr no supported schemes can't push to launchpad release command failed, what does that mean? Does it want an ssh key uploaded to launchpad? Is there a problem with gpg key? is something not installed?


[05:41] <micahg> joelesko: unfortunately, I'm out of time to do a proper review for your branch and iterate, but I will give you credit for whatever you've done for the upload, I"ll also comment on what changes I made
[05:42] <micahg> joelesko: we'll get into a routine for P, it's this initial huge merge that's been why I've pushed it off, future merges should be much simpler to review
[05:44] <micahg> joelesko: I"m even happy to have you track the beta channel if you like until we get close to the end
[08:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: FYI, I just pushed up a new seamonkey head branch to be the new lp:seamonkey
[09:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you around?
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, i'm around now
[09:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I just want to confirm about seamonkey, we're switching to a single binary package with upstream defaults for bundled libs
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, makes sense
[09:14] <micahg> ok, lintian's unhappy, but not fatally so with the package, I guess we can fix that for P
[09:15] <micahg> I pulled in the 4 patches from thunderbird for various build failures, I hope I got them all
[09:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: does your new tarball build system use /tmp?  I had that when creating the seamonkey tarball
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg, no, it doesn't use that
[09:38] <micahg> hmm...why did the seamonkey tarball use /tmp then?
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg, does the new seamonkey drop the patch which renamed the binary to seamonkey2?
[09:38] <micahg> we never had such a patch in the distro
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg, we did. i'm not sure why we did though
[09:39] <micahg> you mean the upstream binary? yes
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> micahg, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey.head/view/246/debian/patches/seamonkey-fsh.patch
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> that patch has gone now, which is good (it shouldn't really have ever been there)
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> but it means that the profile location moves
[09:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh :(
[09:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is there a quick fix? (I can get the upload rejected)
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, you just need to check if ~/.mozilla/seamonkey-2.0 exists, and move it to ~/.mozilla/seamonkey if it does
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> (and if ~/.mozilla/seamonkey already exists, just move it to ~/.mozilla/seamonkey.old or something)
[09:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do we still need LD_LIBRARY_PATH hacks with this version?
[09:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg, not sure if seamonkey has been updated to use the glue to load libxul
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> if it has, then you don't need it. if it hasn't, then you do
[09:47] <micahg> ok, will leave it for now
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> thunderbird needs it still
[09:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hmm, the old version seems to be using the seamonkey dir as well
[10:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hmm, the old version seems to be using the seamonkey dir as well
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> hmm, i'm a bit surprised about that
[10:11] <micahg> me too, I thought that's why we changed that in the first place
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg, what about lucid -> natty?
[10:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: don't know
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> i know we have some releases where it's been renamed to seamonkey-2.0, as i keep seeing it in bug reports
[10:13] <micahg> yeah, I can check that later
[10:14] <micahg> the binary is renamed, but uses the seamonkey profile dir in oneiric
[10:14] <micahg> I guess if there's an upgrade issue, I can push out an SRU
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg, oh, yeah, i see now
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> ok, that's a bit weird
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> firefox uses the app name as the profile folder name too
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> so we're ok there
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> sorry about the noise ;)
[10:16] <micahg> heh, ok, will ask for review/acceptance then...
[10:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: wasn't planning on sleeping before sunrise anyways I guess :)
[10:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, when I was generating the tarball, it couldn't find the tag for 2.4.1 in the l10n repos
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> for any specific locales?
[10:28] <micahg> all
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i just grabbed en-GB, and it's there
[10:28] <micahg> :(, maybe I should have the tarball rejected and try to regenerate?
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> possibly
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> also, debian/config/branch.mk should be fixed to set CHANNEL to "release", and drop "NO_AUTO_REFRESH_LOCALES = 1"
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> the latter is used on nightlies to prevent the list of shipped translations being auto refreshed
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> if you remove that, you should get a warning about the list of translations being out-of-date
[10:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I just ran ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=SEAMONKEY_2_4_1_RELEASE and I got no warning
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> ah, you get it when you try to build the source package (as it checks in the clean target)
[10:34] <micahg> ah, ok, so I need to build the source first?
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> i'm just trying it here as well
[10:35] <micahg> No description for be at debian/build/refresh-supported-locales line 145, <$file> line 1.
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, this is because it doesn't yet have a list of languages :)
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> it will helpfully get locale decriptions from langpack-o-matic though :)
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> oh, you're right about only having the nightly branding
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> i never knew that before ;)
[10:41] <micahg> yeah, that's one reason I didn't care so much about non-bundled libs before
[10:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: still not sure how to regenerate the locale list
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg, debian/rules refresh-supported-locales TARBALL=/path/to/tarball LANGPACK_O_MATIC=/path/to/langpack-o-matic should do it
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> which you can get from lp:langpack-o-matic
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i just found another issue with the tarball though
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> create-tarball needs this - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/revision/457?remember=455&compare_revid=455
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> i wish i had time to review this too :)
[10:46] <micahg> hmm, well, it seemed to build the mail files as well, but I can regenerate and see what happens
[10:46] <micahg> ah, but it might have pulled the tip instead of the tag of the branch...
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what it's doing here
[10:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I need to redo the tarball before redoing the locales?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, i think so. what does suite/config/version.txt contain in your tarball?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> if it's 2.4.1, then it's ok
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> but i've got 2.4 here, which is the current tip
[10:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg, actually
[10:52] <micahg> it's 2.4.1
[10:52] <chrisccoulson> it has updated to the correct version here now
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> perhaps --comm-rev isn't actually needed?
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> i got the impression that client.py just did a "hg update" without that
[10:53] <micahg> I think it's the default maybe?
[10:53] <chrisccoulson> ok, that's ok for now, but we should pass --comm-rev in future builds, just to make sure we really do get the right version :)
[10:54] <micahg> ok, I'll include that change in the upload
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think it might have been a stroke of luck that we got the right version :)
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> it does just do "hg update -r default"
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> micahg, ok i managed to create a tarball here with all the translations in it
[10:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I need a new tarball?
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg, if they're not in the current one
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> perhaps we can leave this until the next version though
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> seeing as it's already accepted anyway
[10:59] <micahg> yeah, they seem to be there, so I think we're ok
[11:00] <micahg> I'm testing a build now to make sure that the langpack binaries aren't empty, then I'll upload
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> did you manage to generate everything ok?
[11:00] <micahg> yeah
[11:01]  * micahg adds a README.Source note
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, i also changed this in firefox recently to make it all a single step - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1002
[11:04] <micahg> I'll have to fix that later
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> so now, running debian/rules refresh-supported-locales will update the control file too
[11:18]  * micahg wishes Firefox 4+ supported -jX
[11:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: build failed :( *** No rule to make target `/run/shm/seamonkey-2.4.1/build-tree/mozilla/l10n/be/suite/installer/unix/README
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg, ah, you'll need to leave that off for now then
[11:38] <micahg> which?
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> the problem is that the EXCLUDE list in create-tarball hasn't been updated for seamonkey
[11:38] <chrisccoulson> so it's missing the suite/ folder for each locale
[11:39] <micahg> ah, ok, well, we'll fix for P
[11:47]  * micahg -> zzz
[12:22] <micahg> BTW, thunderbird isn't happy moving 20k messages between IMAP folders...
[12:22] <micahg> 23006 micah     20   0 9337m 4.6g  15m S    0 29.6 182:01.85 thunderbird-bin
[13:18] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[13:28] <FernandoMiguel> anyone reproduces this https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=99835&thanks=99835&ts=1318339615
[14:27] <joelesko> micahg: that's great news and I understand about the merge.
[14:28] <joelesko> micahg: what do you mean 'track the beta channel'. I would like to learn and help.
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> hi joelesko
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks for helping out with seamonkey :)
[14:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!  How was your weekend?
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, not too bad thanks
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> and you?
[14:31] <joelesko> your welcome. Thanks for the advice and providing the initial package.
[14:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it was good!  Thanksgiving in Canada - so lots of feasting.  Ate way too much.
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[14:32] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: Just wanted to let you know that I've got a newer version of my EDS contacts add-on ready:  0.3.7a
[14:32] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: fixes an annoying authentication loop problem
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, excellent. does it work with 8.0? :)
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> i was going to ping you about that
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> i need to update it in our beta PPA :)
[14:33] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yes, it should - I'll need to bump compatibility though, hang on...
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: k, compatibility bumped.
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> So, am atrting to test my TB extension on TB8 Beta1. But the linux builds from Mozilla don't seem to work with libnotify. Are these built differently to the PPA? If so is there a comm-aurora, beta and central PPA anywhere? Am specifically interested in TB not FF
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/atrting/starting
[19:08] <micahg> joelesko: each upstream beta release (like 2.5.0 beta 2), we could upload to the next release once it opens if you like
[19:19]  * micahg wonders why people don't stick around long enough to get an answer...