[02:20] <bazhang> rww, two for one ban special!
[02:20] <rww> i know right
[02:20] <rww> this is also my favorite thing about not having a cloak
[02:20] <bazhang> welcome back also
[02:20] <rww> ty
[02:20] <bazhang> your zany form of madcappery was sorely missed
[02:21] <bazhang> @random madcappery HURD emacs
[02:21] <rww> j4s0nmchr1st0s just wandered into ##linux, prepare for idiocy
[02:21] <bazhang> ikr
[02:21] <bazhang> ooh fun times
[02:21] <rww> bazhang: i hear you got +F on ##chat shortly after the last time i wandered off. my condolences :(
[02:22] <bazhang> heh
[02:22] <bazhang> it was me or errantego
[02:22] <bazhang> thankfully I was not asleep at the time
[12:56] <bazhang> crikey
[13:03] <hggdh> what?
[13:54] <bazhang> cmake -cn user repeatedly drone q'd
[16:45] <jpds> !preseed
[16:45] <jpds> WHY


[17:04] <airurando> evening
[17:05] <airurando> haven't heard a whisper about UGJ.
[17:05] <airurando> seems to have died down worldwide
[17:05] <airurando> pity
[18:45] <zmoylan-hp> quiet on all fronts


[12:31] <cjp256> I'd like to document a way to disable the ephemeral disk partition/format for Azure (and its datasource default config).  This works for me, but is there a better way? https://pastebin.com/nAV3qN9G  Longer-term it'd probably be best to have a smarter merge for the default disk config: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceAzure.py#L291
[16:54] <falcojr> blackboxsw and holman: I'm back. Anything else needed on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1699 ?
[17:00] <blackboxsw> falcojr: sry in meeting at moment, we should be back in 5
[19:31] <blackboxsw> falcojr: 1699 merged  as you said in a side-channel. we can hold off on the additional unittest refactors until afer we new-upstream-snapshot to kinetic and pull this content into the cloud-init Ubuntu SRU.
[23:05] <blackboxsw> SRU unapproved uploads of "22.3-13" queued for bionic, focal, jammy. hoping to  get SRU review to let it into -proposed pockets today/tomorrow.  We've released the related 22.3-13 to kinetic already today with tip of main.  Expect to see that in daily Ubuntu 22.10 daily images shortly


[22:06] <hazmat> niemeyer, if you have a moment my last branch in the review queue fixes an important bug for the release
[22:06] <hazmat> niemeyer, https://code.launchpad.net/~hazmat/juju/local-provider-storage/+merge/78652
[22:31] <_mup_> juju/trunk r399 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:31] <_mup_> merge hooks-with-noninteractive-apt [r=niemeyer][f=#812343]
[22:31] <_mup_> When executing hooks set appros environment variables for non-interactive
[22:31] <_mup_> apt usage.
[23:11] <niemeyer> hazmat: I'm around
[23:12] <niemeyer> hazmat: Had already seen your branch, but I want to have another look at it more relaxed.. will do that first thing in the morning tomorrow.. we can sync with SpamapS to get it merged
[23:30] <jason_> Hi guys, I'm following along with the juju orchestra instructions, and I'm caught up on admin-secret -- there's a foo value in the sample config -- don't know what the equiv of that is for my orchestra install
[23:37] <jason_> I see in the irc logs that admin-secret can be anything?
[23:38] <jason_> I'm getting Connection was refused by other side: 111: Connection refused.


[07:34] <cpaelzer> hmm, I never needed this so far but maybe someone has a good hint - I've some buggy things in C preprocessor and it hits an #error
[07:34] <cpaelzer> so far so good, but I'd like to know the actual valued of the #if comparison it does above
[07:34] <cpaelzer> I tried with -E to get the resolved preprocessor but that does not help as the logic is gone
[07:35] <cpaelzer> I'm trying a few things with various non-success so far, so if there is a great "this is how you get all values that are defined in preprocessor" I'd a appreciate a hint
[07:36] <zyga-mbp> cpaelzer I think -E is the right way, just make sure to invoke it the same way as you did with the compiler
[07:42] <cpaelzer> I did and it fails the same way, but what I need is that if the ode is "#if A > B; then #error" then I'd need the values of A / B to make sense of it and that is gone with -E
[07:43] <cpaelzer> I think I'll try to define random things using "A" and then I can hopefully check the value that is assigned there :-)
[07:44] <zyga-mbp> cpaelzer didn't try this but can #error stringify macros?
[07:44] <cpaelzer> hmm, indeed that might be worth a try ...
[07:44] <zyga-mbp> like #error ##A
[07:44] <zyga-mbp> (rusty on precise syntax)
[07:52] <cpaelzer> I got the values via disabling the #error (otherwise -E won't complete and create a file) followed by "mydebug A" which makes me finalyl see A :-)
[07:52] <cpaelzer> thanks zyga-mbp for the discussion
[07:52] <zyga-mbp> cool :-)
[07:54] <didrocks> amurray: hey! When you have a sec, do you mind looking at bug #1931540? Unsure how many people will suffer from this regression…
[08:01] <amurray> didrocks: argh... thanks for the heads up... I guess it was too much to hope for for a regression-free intel-microcode update...
[08:03] <amurray> didrocks: also sorry for the inconvenience... it's getting to my EOD but I'll try take a look tomorrow
[08:06] <didrocks> amurray: no worry! It’s late for you already :) Happy that the downgrade was at least isolated :)
[08:43] <nibbon_> o/
[08:43] <nibbon_> for this advisory https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4985-1 only microcode update is required, isn't it?
[08:49] <sbeattie> nibbon_: correct.
[09:05] <nibbon_> sbeattie: got it, thx!
[10:00] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: o/
[10:00] <utkarsh2102> whilst shadowing on +1, I came across: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python-pbr which further goes to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pbr/5.5.1-0ubuntu2.
[10:01] <utkarsh2102> this doesn't look right, maybe needs more work here.
[10:01] <utkarsh2102> slyon: hello, are you taking care of this, btw?^
[10:04] <slyon> utkarsh2102: yes, thanks for the heads-up I need to check what's going on there
[10:05] <utkarsh2102> slyon: great, let me know in case you need help but as the logs say: it's looking for python3-pbr which is no longer available apparently, so.. :)
[10:09] <utkarsh2102> hey, I did a loop-build for python-django-debug-toolbar both in Impish and Sid and it looks fine; could someone re-trigger test for me, please?
[10:09] <utkarsh2102> cf: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=python-django-debug-toolbar&trigger=python-django-debug-toolbar/1%3A3.2.1-1
[10:09] <utkarsh2102> just a matter of clicking the above link^ \o/
[10:13] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: done
[10:30] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: weehoo, thanks & it passed; it'll migrate soon now! \o/
[11:03] <slyon> utkarsh2102: looks like I missed to clear update-alternatives postinst script for python3-pbr. Local autopkgtest is looking good, so I'm re-uploading
[11:10] <utkarsh2102> slyon: woot! perfect! \o/


[01:03] <qwebirc44714> hello, I would like to know if it possible to run the mythbuntu livecd in a low-memory (<= 512MB RAM) and to avoid loading the XFCE session and X, and instead just load the console virtual terminals, for me to be able to record using tv tuner cards by accessing /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 ('scan' to scan channels, 'azap' to switch channels, and 'dd' to dump the digital video stream).
[04:41] <qwebirc26523> hello, I would like to know if it possible to run the mythbuntu live-dvd in a low-memory (512MB RAM) and to avoid loading the XFCE session and X, and instead just load the console virtual terminals, for me to be able to record using tv tuner cards by accessing /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 ('scan' to scan channels, 'azap' to switch channels, and 'dd' to dump the digital video stream).
[04:42] <qwebirc26523> hello, I would like to know if it possible to run the mythbuntu live-dvd in a low-memory (512MB RAM) *system* and to avoid loading the XFCE session and X, and instead just load the console virtual terminals, for me to be able to record using tv tuner cards by accessing /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 ('scan' to scan channels, 'azap' to switch channels, and 'dd' to dump the digital video stream).
[08:31] <qwebirc26523> hello, I would like to know if it possible to run the mythbuntu live-dvd in a low-memory (512MB RAM) *system* and to avoid loading the XFCE session and X, and instead just load the console virtual terminals, for me to be able to record using tv tuner cards by accessing /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 ('scan' to scan channels, 'azap' to switch channels, and 'dd' to dump the digital video stream).
[14:06] <tgm4883> qwebirc26523: you would have to temporary start X in order to configure the backend
[16:14] <qwebirc43178> tgm4883:  as I had mentioned before, I am not planning to run the backend but instead interacting directly with the tuner card device file (/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0) via 'scan'/'azap'/'dd'.  i just wanted to know if it was possible to load mythbuntu without loading the X server (for example using some kernel boot parameter) which would greatly help me out due to very limited memory (512MB) on one machine.
[16:15] <qwebirc43178> I would be happing loading the livedvd, and recording using the command line interface to the raw device file.  So, I just wanted to eliminate the loading of the X server.
[16:15] <qwebirc43178> recording using the command line from a virtual terminal, i mean.
[16:17] <qwebirc43178> and i am specifically referring to the latest mythbuntu live-dvd, as I do not wish to install mythbuntu onto harddrive, but merely record from the functionality (drivers, firmware and command-line apps) provided by the live-dvd.
[16:17] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:18] <tgm4883> You could try, I'm not 100% sure if it's possible. You'd have to get from the boot menu into the kernel parameters to add 'text' I believe
[16:19] <qwebirc43178> by using the command line, i mean using 'scan' to scan for all the ATSC channels, 'azap' to change to the channel i wish to record, and 'dd' to dump the video stream to file on hard-disk/network-fs.
[16:22] <qwebirc43178> "text" is the actual linux kernel paramter if i'm not mistaken.  what i'm reffering to is actually higher-level distribution boot parameter like "toram" which instructs the live-dvd to load its contents into RAMso that the live-dvd does not need to remain inserted into the system after it has fully loaded into RAM.  like that, if there is a distro boot parameter to disable X, that would be what I was looking for.
[16:24] <qwebirc43178> and I know that knoppix, for example, has several "cheat codes" that you can add to the "boot: " prompt to customize the how/what the live-dvd loads
[16:25] <qwebirc43178> so, i'm really looking for mythbuntu-live-dvd specific boot options that can be added when the "boot: " prompt shows up.
[16:28] <tgm4883> I'm not aware of any. If any did exist, it would be the same as Ubuntu, so you might have better luck searching with that
[16:31] <qwebirc43178> and the "text" linux kernel parameter does not really prevent the loading of X IINM.  it just makes it so that you can see the boot process in text mode (for example, with greater verbosity) without any graphic/splash screen.
[16:32] <qwebirc43178> i see, that's probably true.  the mythbuntu live-dvd boot options should be the same as those it inherited from ubuntu.  now, if I could just find where all the boot options have been comprehensively documented online...
[16:33] <qwebirc43178> for the ubuntu live-dvd, i mean...
[16:36] <tgm4883> I thought "text" booted you into no graphical land
[16:38] <tgm4883> qwebirc43178: removing "quiet" from that line removes the splash screen. Adding "text" boots you to a cmd line login prompt
[16:43] <tgm4883> qwebirc43178: and adding "text" works on a ubuntu ISO, so it should work in Mythbuntu as well
[17:02] <qwebirc43178> tgm4883:  i see, that might be true, i was thinking about "text" from another kernel/grub line, back when in the day when I was using gentoo.  but that still might not work, as it is a linux kernel paramater (unless it is also doubles as a live-dvd "boot: " prompt keyword), not a live-dvd "boot: " prompt keyword, but I will try it out and see if it works.
[17:02] <tgm4883> qwebirc43178: well I just tested it on a ubuntu ISO in a VM, so...
[17:02] <qwebirc43178> also, as a feature request, i propose that "emacs" comes pre-loaded onto the next mythbuntu live-dvd release, so that emacs users like me don't have to keep installing emacs everytime we load the live-dvd.
[17:03] <tgm4883> heh
[17:03] <tgm4883> yea, that's not going to happen
[17:04] <qwebirc43178> oh, ok.  so then the "text" "boot: " live-dvd prompt option just eliminates loading X altogher and just takes the user straight to the virtual termainal after the boot process completes?
[17:04] <tgm4883> yes
[17:05] <qwebirc43178> hmmm...  ;-(  why not?  aren't there enough emacs users out there to want that added on?  i guess it would have to be added onto the Ubuntu-based live-dvds which mythbuntu is based upon.
[17:05] <tgm4883> no, we could add it here directly
[17:05] <tgm4883> but you are literally the first person to ever ask for that
[17:08] <qwebirc43178> oh, i see.  The reason i was asking is because I tend to run all commands from within emacs *shell* buffers so that I can easily save the entire *shell* buffer to file, once I'm done with the session.  can't really do that within a console virtual terminal.. (at least, I don't know how).  And I do many other things within emacs as well, its almost a application-level operating system for me.  ;-)
[17:09] <tgm4883> well, all the commands would be in your bash history. And also you could run "script", which logs everything displayed on the terminal
[17:10] <tgm4883> depending on what you're looking for
[17:17] <qwebirc43178> right, the .bash_history does not save the stdin/stdout/sterr fromt each command.   and 'script', I remember using that along time ago.  it is a good option if emacs is compeltely unavailable/unfeasbile.  but of course, the console virtual terminal doesn't offer the rich editor features (full keybindings) emacs, and more importantly all of the limitless functionality provided with all of those elisp code, accessible via "M
[17:19] <qwebirc43178> but now my next question, is since i'm looking into installing a TV tuner card into a very old machine which limited memory, and that machine only has PCI slots (no AGP, no PCIe), I wanted to know what is the best quality ATSC PCI tuner card there is (or ever was)...
[17:21] <qwebirc43178> oh course, i mean best quality ATSC PCI tuner card that is actually supported by a linux kernel (drivers + firmware)...
[17:22] <tgm4883> qwebirc43178: honestly, not sure. I'd recommend an HDHomerun though
[17:34] <qwebirc43178> I cannot find HDHomerun listed under supported devices list at:  http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices .  Is it a PCI or USB, because if I recollect correctly, there are several models/versions of HD Homerun...  I didn't know they were supported under linux.
[17:36] <tgm4883> qwebirc43178: they are ethernet
[17:37] <tgm4883> oh hold up
[17:37] <tgm4883> you wanted to just dd it
[17:37] <tgm4883> yea, that's not going to work with that
[17:59] <qwebirc43178> i'm not limited to 'dd' as long as there is another command-line commands for tuning/switching/dumping-stream-to-file.  i'm just not sure how that would work with a network device.  oh so, it would need its own IP address, and the stream is sent via IP?
[17:59] <tgm4883> yea
[18:03] <qwebirc43178> but there is also a dvb driver available for HDHomerun here... http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbhdhomerun/  .  Does that mean HDhomerun can also connect via USB or something?
[18:03] <tgm4883> Not that I know of
[18:43] <qwebirc43178> I see, assuming that HDHomerun does not work as well with the dvb interface (and i prefer not to use a network device especially since I want to avoid any router modification and I want more fine-grained control using 'scan'/'azap'/'dd'), then if anybody had recommendations about the best quality PCI (not PCIe) device(s) for ATSC recordings, I would appreciate that input.
[18:44] <qwebirc43178> I assume the best tuner device(s) would be PCI and not USB2, because even though PCI is obsolete and slow it is still a faster technology than USB2 (being internal as opposed to external), although I could be mistaken about that...


[01:03] <fsws> if I upgrade to ubuntu 19.10 today before official release date, will I still be able to get the official release later? I'm using "do-release-upgrade -d" will there be any difference between pre-release and post-release ubuntu 19.10?
[01:06] <krytarik> !final | fsws
[01:06] <tomreyn> the only difference should be the potential impact of using a beta quality installer and upgrader
[01:07] <fsws> tomreyn: thanks. with release date so close, I guess risk is minimal
[01:10] <fsws> tomreyn: after post-release date, will I be getting the same installer that everyone will be using if I upgrade a pre-release version now?
[01:12] <tomreyn> fsws: i can't seem to follow. if you upgrade now you won't get an installer, but an upgrader, and you get it now, and not later.
[01:13] <fsws> tomreyn: ok. thank you. As long as I can get the same post-release version if I install a pre-release version today, I'm fine.
[01:14] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[09:11] <tomreyn> https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=3020c47c7a0511a638902925862cc6789628a6df
[09:12] <tomreyn> jiberl's branch was merged
[09:12] <tomreyn> * jibel's
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubiquity-ZFS-Install-Lands
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn lordcirth_ ^
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> karlthane: ^


[01:01] <haasn> maas seems to be having some general difficulties managing qemu VMs via the qemu+ssh power management mode. I can't pinpoint anything specific - but some machines work fine, and others do not in strange reasons (usually “machine gets stuck during some phase of deployment because it never got powered on”)
[01:01] <haasn> I'm testing with identical VMs running on the same host using identical settings - except for the name, which is just vm<id>
[01:01] <haasn> So I have no idea why some would randomly work fine and some would randomly get stuck
[01:01] <haasn> Any ideas what could possibly be going on?
[01:11] <haasn> Running sudo -u maas virsh -c $URL start $NAME (with the values copy/pasted from the maas node config) works..
[01:13] <haasn> It also works if I select the machines manually and choose “power on”
[01:14] <haasn> The power status also seems to not update itself consistently, or at all - usually I have to click on “check now” to get correct readings
[09:06] <Praba> we have installed ubuntu server and installed MAAS then in MAAS we got some problems like the image file is not importing
[09:07] <Praba> Can i get some answers in order to recover my problem
[18:34] <haasn> I get this when trying to import boot images: https://0x0.st/X91.txt
[18:34] <haasn> maas 1.9 running on ubuntu 14.04 LTS inside an LXC container
[18:34] <haasn> ‘loop’ module *is* loaded
[18:36] <haasn> Ah seems like an apparmor thing
[18:42] <haasn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1474967 contains a fix in the comments


[04:08] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: ping
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: can you guide me through a stack trace? I've never done one before
[04:11] <gnomefreak> if feisty ask hjmf if edgy tomorrow would be better its late nad im trying to sleep but assholes pinging #ubuntu woke me up.
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> :(
[05:08] <Admiral_Chicago> bugzilla #17192
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, how does that work?
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> finally cleared all those bugs in my inbox
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> the good old fashioned way...triaging
[12:13] <asac> hi all
[02:02] <gnomefreak> i hate laptops still
[02:39] <gnomefreak> ok im going downstairs for coffee and work on Laptop trying to get win installed on it. ill be back later.
[03:54] <asac> @schedule
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00: MOTU Council
[03:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ouch ... poor windows maid
[03:55] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:55] <gnomefreak> i cant run ubuntu on it its only 64mb ram
[03:56] <gnomefreak> a p2 300mhz :(
[03:57] <gnomefreak> when i get home i have memoory i can add and a hd i can add once i figure out how to open it to repplace them
[03:57] <asac> gnomefreak: try debian :)
[03:58] <asac> or xubuntu
[03:58] <gnomefreak> xubuntu (maybe dappers)
[03:58] <gnomefreak> debian you need 128 no?
[03:58] <asac> don't think so ... depends on the window manager you choose
[03:58] <asac> does current xubuntu complain?
[03:59] <asac> but afaik xubuntu uses xfce which might be too heavy weight for your case
[03:59] <asac> i would try openbox
[03:59] <asac> or fluxbox
[03:59] <asac> those are really great for low mem
[03:59] <asac> and of course don't run firefox :)
[03:59] <asac> but kazehakase
[04:00] <asac> which is the best I found so far
[04:00] <asac> dunno if its in ubuntu
[04:00] <asac> kazehakase uses gecko rendering and gtk2 widgets ... but its pretty memory efficient
[04:00] <gnomefreak> i love kazehakase :)
[04:00] <asac> is it in ubuntu?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> i have it on this set up :)
[04:00] <asac> i used it pretty much too :)
[04:00] <gnomefreak> yep its in repos
[04:00] <asac> hi Mirv
[04:01] <asac> :)
[04:01] <Mirv> hello asac
[04:01] <Mirv> did you happen to find that e-mail?
[04:01] <asac> whats your email?
[04:01] <Mirv><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:01] <gnomefreak> asac: does this look familar to you. nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink
[04:02] <asac> gnomefreak: not at all ... i saw the traces but have no idea what this might be about
[04:02] <asac> maybe complete memory trashing or something
[04:02] <Mirv> Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:54:59 +0200
[04:02] <gnomefreak> ok ill look at my log to see if im missing something important
[04:03] <asac> Mirv: ok found it
[04:03] <asac> wait a second
[04:03] <Mirv> asac: ok :)
[04:03] <gnomefreak> well ill upload it to bug and let you decide it still complains about missing libflash.so but i have it in the path they give :(
[04:04] <asac> Mirv: just replace current entries?
[04:05] <asac> whats the difference (in meaning) of 'Firefox-selain' and 'Firefox-webselain'
[04:05] <asac> ?
[04:05] <asac> looks like firefox-selain is firefox-surfer ... while firefox-webselain means firefox-websurfer
[04:05] <Mirv> asac: yeah. the "selain" is just browser, "webselain" is a web browser but "web" is Finnish is a bit of a slang term, and we thought that just "selain" is enough
[04:06] <asac> so is there an established word for browser called selain?
[04:06] <Mirv> and "Firefox-WWW-selain" would look not so good either, which would be an option
[04:06] <Mirv> asac: yes
[04:06] <asac> in german we just use browser
[04:07] <asac> Mirv: ok ... if you coordinated this with other finish translators, then i am fine.
[04:08] <Mirv> asac: yeah, it's been agreed by enough people (I'm the team contact for Ubuntu Finnish translators, and also hanging out with other Finnish l10n people)
[04:09] <Mirv> asac: actually, if you _are_ somehow affiliated with iceweasel in Debian, you could make the same change there, too. otherwise same, just s/Firefox/Iceweasel/.
[04:10] <asac> ok ... i am not iceweasel maintainer ... though i talk to them from time to time. Maybe just send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you don't want to open a bug for this
[04:10] <Mirv> asac: ah, ok. I will handle Debian myself, then.
[04:10] <Mirv> (at some point)
[04:10] <Mirv> it's not a big deal, but it looks more appropriate this way
[04:10] <asac> is it "finish translation" or "finnish translation" ?
[04:11] <asac> guess the latter ;)
[04:11] <asac> unless you always finish ;)
[04:13] <Mirv> yes, Finnish :)
[04:14] <asac> Mirv: ok ... checked into my archive ...should be there on next update ;)
[04:14] <asac> thanks for pinging me
[04:14] <Mirv> asac: cool, thanks for this. I will check it when it comes out, too.
[04:15] <asac> maybe pretty soon ... otherwise it might take a week or two
[04:17] <Mirv> feisty is starting to look superb for the Finnish people, that's why I'm tweaking little things here and there, too. it's the first time the high quality spellchecking, voikko libraries, are integrated in language-support-fi, an quite important aspect for many
[04:18] <Mirv> (http://voikko.sourceforge.net/ , if sf would work)
[04:23] <asac> can libenchant deal with german language?
[04:23] <asac> dunno how german language is classified
[04:23] <asac> its somehow that you can combine words as much as you like ... so you cannot have a complete dictionary
[04:24] <asac> Mirv: if you have icedove/thunderbird improvements
[04:24] <Mirv> sure, http://www.abisource.com/projects/enchant/ , it has support for eg. aspell, hunspell, hspell and voikko
[04:24] <asac> push them eraly
[04:24] <asac> early :)
[04:24] <asac> ah ... its a just a new frontend
[04:24] <asac> that would be fine
[04:25] <asac> howver ... is it available on win too? ... its because firefox still uses myspell ... and another layer of abstraction could help imo.
[04:25] <Mirv> yes, Finnish can't be handled with even hunspell :( there's now a possibility to directly use libvoikko, or via the libenchant plugin, or via a ispell-wrapper, but currently aspell/myspell/hunspell don't provide the high quality spellchecking for Finnish
[04:25] <asac> actually i don't know about the quality of hunspell for german
[04:26] <asac> i just hope that its _better_
[04:26] <asac> not perfect
[04:26] <asac> but interesting to hear
[04:26] <Mirv> it would look like there is a win32 support, "has internationalization and win32 fixes"
[04:26] <asac> as debian hunspell maintainer never told us that even hunspell has problems
[04:26] <Mirv> and yeah, it would be really cool for mozilla to move from myspell forwards to enchant, as well
[04:26] <asac> yeah ... upstream has still not migrated to hunspell ... but people often push them to use it
[04:27] <Mirv> there's some extension to add voikko support to mozilla, but it's a bit of a hack because of the current mozilla's spellchecking support and probably can't be packaged to debian/ubuntu
[04:27] <asac> probably right
[04:27] <Mirv> yeah, people always assume that eg. hunspell is perfect, if it works for more languages.. but they always forget the 100 languages it still doesn't cover :)
[04:27] <asac> however ... mozilla ships everthing on its own ... so if we (mozilla) use libenchat
[04:27] <asac> would it be necessary to ship another backend as well (e.g. hunspell) ?
[04:28] <asac> e.g. so that firefox can work out of the box without system lib requirements
[04:29] <Mirv> hmm, that's right... ie. it needs the hunspell backend
[04:29] <Mirv> for libenchant, to cover those languages supported by hunspell
[04:29] <asac> hmm
[04:29] <Mirv> of course, it might be that even just hunspell support in mozilla would help to make at least working extensions without hacks, but I dunno
[04:30] <asac> maybe add libenchant to mozilla source ... and then add multiple backends too
[04:30] <asac> e.g. myspell, hunspell, ispell
[04:30] <asac> and just use one of those by default
[04:30] <asac> benefit would be that the code that hooks spellchecker into firefox would not need to be touched
[04:31] <asac> anyway ... thanks for the inside ... I will chew abit on this
[04:31] <asac> s/inside/insight/
[04:31] <Mirv> yep. enchant has 8 backends, covering in addition to Finnish (Voikko) eg. Turkish (Zemberek), Hebrew (Hspell) and some others not coverd by hunspell
[04:31] <asac> gnomefreak: i posted a list of gnome integration bugs in bugzilla ... and asked reporter of gconf bug to go through it before submitting a new bug upstrewam
[04:31] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get time can you look at the stacks on bug 71315 i have seen these before
[04:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71315 in firefox "Crash with totem when opening an MPG link" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71315
[04:32] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe take a look ... so you know that such a master bug exists there
[04:32] <asac> (e.g. gnome integration master bug)
[04:32] <Mirv> yeah, good to let knowledge spread, at least that hunspell is not the final answer to spellchecking, either
[04:32] <gnomefreak> asac: ah ok
[04:32] <asac> i have seen this bug title before :)
[04:32] <gnomefreak> bugzilla == gnomes bugzilla?
[04:32] <asac> can you search for just "MPG link" and see how much duplicates it yields
[04:32] <asac> no
[04:32] <asac> bugzilla = bugzilla.mozilla.org
[04:33] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[04:33] <asac> the one and only original one :)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:33] <asac> at least in context of firefox packaging this is reasonable :)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> i looked already thats why i posted what i did
[04:33] <gnomefreak> mpg i dont remember seeing but will look.
[04:33] <asac> yeah ... maybe its hidden in one of the gnome bugs
[04:34] <asac> sometimes title in bugzilla are a mess ... maybe its named proper gconf integration please
[04:34] <asac> and then in content there is:
[04:34] <asac> preferred application
[04:34] <asac> proxy setting :)
[04:34] <asac> etc.
[04:34] <asac> bug lets let do the reporter the job of looking
[04:34] <asac> gnomefreak: which trace?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> i tried all kinds of searches the one i posted was the only thing that gave me anything to go on
[04:34] <asac> there are at least two
[04:35] <gnomefreak> the first one
[04:35] <gnomefreak> the second one is garbage :(
[04:35] <asac> yeah ... totem bug ... however don't know if its the same
[04:35] <asac> actually the gtk_style_realize is still reproducible
[04:35] <asac> but not in original context anymore
[04:36] <asac> imo totem plugin code should be completely rewritten
[04:36] <asac> they tried to reinvent the wheel instead of using existing plugin templates and best-practices
[04:36] <asac> otherwise it will hunt us down forever imo
[04:37] <gnomefreak> mpg only gives that bug
[04:37] <asac> ok ... then i visitted it before :)
[04:37] <asac> gnomefreak: use [@_destroystream]  [@NP_Initialize]
[04:38] <gnomefreak> yeah i was thinking totem bug but didnt see anything that lead me to say that
[04:38] <gnomefreak> set master?
[04:38] <asac> hmmm
[04:38] <asac> yes
[04:38] <gnomefreak> k
[04:38] <asac> what is it on?
[04:38] <asac> egy?
[04:38] <asac> edgy?
[04:39] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:39] <gnomefreak> mt-need????
[04:39] <asac> mt-confirm
[04:39] <gnomefreak> k
[04:39] <asac> if its master
[04:39] <asac> move it to mt-upstream ... "Confirmed
[04:39] <asac> "
[04:40] <asac> maybe see if its an upstream issue (e.g. totem -> gnomezilla )
[04:40] <gnomefreak> we need an upstream first
[04:40] <asac> yes
[04:40] <asac> but upstream triage is done in state confirmed
[04:40] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:40] <asac> so State: "Confirmed" Tag: "mt-upstream"
[04:41] <asac> if we find nothing we might need to go back to mt-needtestcase
[04:41] <asac> but that is future talk :)
[04:41] <asac> i am almost certain that this is totem proble,m
[04:42] <gnomefreak> ok registering for gnomes bug tracker now
[04:44] <asac> yeah ... good :)
[04:44] <asac> extend the net
[04:45] <asac> i already have 2 points of gnome karma :)
[04:45] <asac> was as easy as: open a bug, attach a patch
[04:45] <asac> :)
[04:45] <asac> more activity gnome bugzilla hasn't seen from me
[04:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:45] <asac> but those heavy weight devels only have 25 points
[04:45] <asac> guess that is max
[04:45] <asac> so I am already at ~ 10% :)
[04:48] <asac> damn ... i still cannot turn off spamassassin autolearn
[04:48] <asac> it just doesn't work
[04:48] <asac> whatever i do ... all mails get autolearn=spam/ham/no
[04:50] <gnomefreak> can i search for something other than totem :(
[04:50] <gnomefreak> i tried [@_destroystream]  [@NP_Initialize]  also :(
[04:50] <asac> hmm
[04:51] <asac> probably we should wait till we get at least one more duplicate before do upstream triage?
[04:51] <asac> who knows what this was caused by
[04:51] <gnomefreak> not sure but i found a gconf-editor bug
[04:51] <gnomefreak> in relation to totem
[04:53] <gnomefreak> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333232
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 333232 in GStreamer backend "Play issue with embedded MOV files" [Normal,New]
[04:53] <gnomefreak> what do you think?
[04:57] <asac> hmm
[04:57] <asac> not the one i guess
[04:58] <asac> let me think
[04:58] <asac> when did the bug pop up?
[04:58] <asac> how long ago?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> 2006-11-10 23:38:33 EST
[05:01] <asac> if we don't see any dupe than probably it was due to some crazy situation :)
[05:02] <gnomefreak> true
[05:02] <asac> lets keep it and once we get duplicate go ahead
[05:02] <gnomefreak> im looking for dupes atm for anything i can find
[05:02] <asac> are all crashes retraced?
[05:03] <gnomefreak> no most of mine are as far as i can get but alot are 64bit or feisty and i havent worked out feistys breakage yet
[05:03] <asac> ok
[05:03] <asac> will take care of x86_64 later today
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: we have over 2000+ bugs i imagine not all are done by a long shot
[05:03] <asac> and PPC
[05:03] <asac> 2000+ ?
[05:03] <asac> i see 700+ (excluding dupes)
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: if you click on all bugs ever reported
[05:03] <asac> at least for firefox
[05:03] <asac> ah
[05:03] <asac> :)
[05:04] <gnomefreak> 518 results is the search im working on
[05:04] <asac> i hope i can help bug triaging soon ... to get bug count down
[05:05] <asac> for now i get to get everything in shape
[05:05] <asac> beta is soon
[05:05] <asac> and I am working in a hurry :)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> i think your time is better spent that way to be honest.
[05:06] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/84716  what are we doing with this?
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info]
[05:06] <asac> sure :)
[05:06] <asac> is it a dupe?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> i dont think so
[05:07] <asac> i tried to reproduce bug orca didn't work
[05:07] <asac> what does the trace show?
[05:07] <gnomefreak> nothing to trace
[05:07] <gnomefreak> just screenshots
[05:09] <asac> close it ... "if ever see crash, open a new bug with crash report attached. Thanks" :)
[05:09] <gnomefreak> close it?
[05:09] <asac> dolphinboy appears to be somehow wierd
[05:09] <asac> yes ... what should we do ... maybe try if you can reproduce crash
[05:09] <asac> i couldn't get orca
[05:09] <asac> ok
[05:09] <asac> lets move this to AlexLatchford
[05:09] <asac> he is the accessibility man afaik :)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ok ill assign him
[05:10] <asac> maybe he can reproduce? or ask accessibility team to do so
[05:13] <gnomefreak> ok assigned to him
[05:15] <asac> damn kazehakase still depends on mozilla-browser in edgy
[05:15] <asac> thats bad news
[05:15] <asac> why is mozilla still in universe?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> not sure
[05:16] <gnomefreak> since kaxehakase is mozilla (atleast its gecko im sure it would fit under our packages) cant we change that easily ;)
[05:17] <asac> yeah
[05:17] <gnomefreak> and change the name to somethign easier to type ;)
[05:17] <asac> but mozilla is outdated
[05:17] <asac> in feisty it already depends on libxul
[05:17] <asac> which is good
[05:17] <asac> we will hopefull end up with even firefox making use of libxul in feisty+1
[05:17] <gnomefreak> that should be easy enough to roll out
[05:18] <asac> yeah ... but not for edgy
[05:18] <asac> mozilla-browser version in edgy/universe is 1.7.13 something
[05:18] <gnomefreak> we dont need mozilla(suite) for anything to be honest. I think its there just as a place holder until we change it
[05:18] <asac> which has loads of security issues
[05:18] <asac> no... it is actually used by kazehakase :)
[05:19] <asac> but has been removed from feisty afaik
[05:19] <gnomefreak> can we merge 1.8 into edgy?
[05:19] <asac> 1.8 does not exist
[05:19] <asac> its now seamonkey
[05:19] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:19] <asac> no we won't do anything about that in edgy i guess
[05:19] <gnomefreak> but seamonkey uses gecko 1.8.3 no?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> or 1.8.1/.2
[05:19] <asac> seamonkey 1.0.x uses gecko 1.8.0.x
[05:20] <asac> seamonkey 1.1.x uses geck 1.8.x
[05:20] <asac> e.g. 1.8.1.x
[05:20] <gnomefreak> and mozilla uses gecko 1.7*
[05:20] <asac> firefox 2.0.0.x = 1.8.x (1.8.1.x)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:20] <asac> firefox 1.5.0.x = 1.8.0.x
[05:20] <asac> :)
[05:20] <asac> confusing enough :)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> it is
[05:20] <asac> actually firefox 1.5 series comes from mozilla 1.8.0 branch
[05:21] <asac> while firefox 2 from 1.8 branch
[05:21] <gnomefreak> we cant replace edgys mozilla with seamonkey so they are gonna have to deal with it.
[05:21] <asac> i think noone can deal with that in edgy ... maybe they sync with debian sarge (if they are smart)
[05:21] <asac> i did backports for mozilla to debian sarge
[05:21] <gnomefreak> our packages like ff and tb are not backportable by ubuntu standards
[05:21] <asac> but I don't think they do
[05:22] <asac> not easily
[05:22] <gnomefreak> im assuming that goes for mozilla-browser/suite and everything else mozilla related
[05:23] <gnomefreak> doesnt make alot of sense sometimes to me though since tb is the only thing that depends on libc6-*
[05:23] <asac> its not easily backportable for security fixes yes
[05:23] <gnomefreak> fx doesnt list anything really version spiecific
[05:23] <asac> yeah
[05:23] <asac> the point with firefox is
[05:23] <asac> other applications depend on it
[05:24] <asac> so we cannot push in new upstream major version
[05:24] <asac> as those apps will break
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ah thats right including ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <asac> e.g. epiphany kazehakase
[05:24] <asac> etc.
[05:24] <gnomefreak> yelp and so one
[05:24] <asac> same goes for edgy
[05:24] <gnomefreak> on
[05:24] <asac> if you exchange a gecko 1.7 with geck 1.8
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ok i remember that now
[05:24] <asac> kazehakase will probably not even start
[05:24] <asac> thats why its hard to fix this in edgy now
[05:24] <gnomefreak> it wont ive played with that before
[05:25] <asac> because it would require at least a respin of kazehakase
[05:25] <gnomefreak> easy enough to fix just time consuming ;)
[05:25] <asac> probably you want to do the migration?
[05:25] <asac> :)
[05:25] <gnomefreak> we would have to respin all depends
[05:25] <gnomefreak> not really ;)
[05:25] <asac> ... yes ... and then they might break
[05:25] <asac> either not build
[05:25] <gnomefreak> i cant merge yet
[05:25] <asac> or crash because something changed
[05:26] <gnomefreak> true
[05:26] <asac> its pretty much work to do it
[05:26] <asac> i think pitti and iwj did it for breezy/dapper
[05:26] <asac> they migrated epiphany from mozilla-browser 1.7.13 to firefox
[05:26] <asac> 1.5.0
[05:26] <asac> which was a pretty hard task
[05:26] <gnomefreak> true
[05:26] <asac> in fact they eded up doing the migration for breezy
[05:27] <asac> so breezy has still 1.7 mozilla ... which is for a yeah now maintained (in regards of security) only by me
[05:27] <asac> ok ... out for a cigarette
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:29] <gnomefreak> ill be here trying to fix this pos
[05:34] <gnomefreak> trainer: ok when its on pastebin let me know
[05:34] <trainer> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.us/17176
[05:35] <gnomefreak> trainer: where did you get your version of firefox and -dom?
[05:35] <trainer> you mean which repository?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> trainer: yes
[05:35] <trainer> ok 1 sec
[05:35] <gnomefreak> trainer: what version of ubuntu?
[05:36] <trainer> edgy
[05:37] <asac> trainer: do an aptitude dist-upgrade first
[05:37] <asac> or apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:37] <asac> ah
[05:37] <asac> trainer: you miss the universe repository
[05:37] <gnomefreak> asac: you should be at store :)
[05:37] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[05:37] <asac> wrote a mail
[05:38] <gnomefreak> but ty it gives me a chance to fgure out grub :(
[05:38] <asac> look in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <asac> and add universe to the -updates lines
[05:38] <asac> trainer: ^^^
[05:38] <trainer> wait my sources.list has all the dapper repos
[05:38] <asac> no
[05:38] <asac> at least i don't think so
[05:38] <asac> or?
[05:38] <gnomefreak> trainer: your using dapper thats why i asked
[05:38] <asac> hmm
[05:39] <trainer> sorry
[05:39] <gnomefreak> 1.5 wasnt in edgy as final
[05:39] <asac> can you paste sources.list?
[05:39] <trainer> http://pastebin.us/17177
[05:39] <gnomefreak> asac: how do i use ubuntus grub instead of suses :(
[05:39] <asac> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[05:40] <asac> maybe add universe to that
[05:40] <asac> hmm
[05:40] <asac> grub-install
[05:40] <asac> you have to call
[05:40] <asac> that will overwrite the bootsector
[05:40] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[05:40] <gnomefreak> asac: still wouldnt beable to fix the depends on 2.0?
[05:40] <asac> its a depends from what was initially in edgy
[05:40] <gnomefreak> grub-install hda0?
[05:40] <gnomefreak> or just grub-install
[05:40] <asac> the other version is the 1.5.0.x security update
[05:40] <asac> dunno :)
[05:41] <asac> man grub-install
[05:41] <gnomefreak> k
[05:41] <asac> i guess if everything is setup properly
[05:41] <asac> just grup-install should do
[05:41] <asac> but take care
[05:41] <asac> your bootloader might be broken afterwards
[05:41] <asac> at least keep an ubuntu cd at hands
[05:42] <gnomefreak> not very helpful man page :(
[05:42] <trainer> so add this line?   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe
[05:42] <asac> no
[05:42] <asac> append universe to existing
[05:42] <asac> line
[05:42] <trainer> ahhhhh
[05:42] <asac> e.g. deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[05:43] <asac> -> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe
[05:43] <asac> anyway ... don't know
[05:43] <gnomefreak> asac: he has edgy beryl repos so he might have a messed up libc6
[05:43] <asac> if there is security support for universe ... gnomefreak ???
[05:43] <gnomefreak> or gnome libs
[05:43] <gnomefreak> asac: should be
[05:43] <gnomefreak> i have all for security repos
[05:44] <asac> no don't thinkn so
[05:44] <asac> firefox-dom-inspector: Depends: firefox (= 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3) but 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed
[05:44] <asac> its really about original dapper version installed
[05:44] <gnomefreak> right
[05:44] <asac> aeh available
[05:44] <trainer> that did it! thank you!
[05:44] <asac> trainer: eah ... you have a bug open for that?
[05:44] <asac> i remember that I saw something about that
[05:44] <asac> if so, please close it :)
[05:45] <asac> rejected
[05:45] <trainer> no I didn't open one
[05:45] <asac> ok then fine
[05:47] <trainer> thanks again
[05:52] <gnomefreak> brb hopfully this worked :)
[05:59] <gnomefreak> that didnt work :(
[06:17] <gnomefreak> nothing i do works :(
[06:22] <asac> what are you tryin?
[06:22] <gnomefreak> overwrite suse's grub with ubuntus
[06:23] <gnomefreak> i have tried everything i can think of that makes sense in the wiki
[06:23] <gnomefreak> and still seeing suse's grub :(
[06:23] <asac> if you still can boot then you are lucky :)
[06:23] <asac> how did you run grup-install?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
[06:25] <gnomefreak> hd0,0 is suse and hd1,0 is ubuntu
[06:25] <gnomefreak> from what grub tells me
[06:26] <gnomefreak> im getting tired of adding ubuntus new kernel to suses grub with every update
[06:27] <gnomefreak> and #suse is of no help (but that is normal)
[06:28] <gnomefreak> maybe i should just install something over suse and say fudge it
[06:28] <gnomefreak> how is etch?
[06:35] <asac> hmm
[06:35] <asac> etch is good
[06:36] <asac> pretty good :)
[06:36] <asac> its pretty long term though
[06:36] <asac> if you run feisty
[06:36] <asac> you should install etch
[06:36] <asac> then go for sid
[06:36] <asac> its probably not less stable
[06:36] <asac> and has all the software of the world :)
[06:37] <asac> ah ... of course ... the free-worlkd
[06:38] <gnomefreak> sid?
[06:38] <asac> yes ... the ever going development version
[06:38] <asac> like what is feisty now
[06:38] <asac> but it stays that way forever
[06:38] <asac> when release is near
[06:38] <asac> packages are not updated that fast anymore
[06:38] <gnomefreak> but i thought etch was the only in devel
[06:38] <asac> but otherwise all packages end up
[06:38] <asac> etch is the next release
[06:38] <asac> its currently testing
[06:39] <asac> thats where packages end up if no release critical bugs have been discovered
[06:39] <asac> in sid
[06:39] <asac> for some time
[06:39] <asac> debian stages packages
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:39] <asac> so no dirt gets into testing (aka proposed next stable release)
[06:39] <asac> thats why its so stable :)
[06:39] <asac> so running sid is what running feisty is now
[06:39] <asac> but there is no installer for sid
[06:40] <asac> so install etch
[06:40] <asac> then dist-upgrade right away
[06:40] <asac> there is even a graphical installer
[06:40] <asac> atm
[06:40] <asac> but i wouldn't care as curses installer is really simple
[06:40] <gnomefreak> ok is there a way to install without a cd :(
[06:40] <gnomefreak> or floppy
[06:41] <asac> etch rc2 releases are at
[06:41] <gnomefreak> i dont have cds handy atm
[06:41] <asac> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[06:41] <asac> ah
[06:41] <asac> netboot
[06:41] <asac> :)
[06:41] <asac> Netboot, floppy and hd-media images are available from:
[06:41] <asac> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-<arch>/rc2/images/
[06:41] <asac> so <arch> = i386
[06:41] <asac> for you i guess
[06:42] <gnomefreak> yep
[06:43] <gnomefreak> and i want the mini iso right?
[06:44] <asac> dunno
[06:44] <asac> what you like
[06:44] <asac> i guess floppy
[06:44] <asac> or netboot
[06:44] <gnomefreak> i went to netboot than it gives me 3 choices
[06:44] <asac> a cd would be pretty fortunate
[06:45] <asac> probably use floppy
[06:45] <asac> netboot i don't know much about it
[06:45] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[06:45] <asac> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/
[06:45] <asac> 5 disks
[06:45] <asac> that should be doabl
[06:46] <gnomefreak> maybe since net is so much faster here than home ill download them here and burn them at home :)
[06:47] <gnomefreak> i have  ablank cd :) net install it is
[06:49] <gnomefreak> ok brb smoke
[06:51] <asac> great
[06:52] <asac> netinstall
[06:52] <asac> is best
[06:52] <asac> 200 mb
[06:52] <asac> i guess
[06:55] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've retraced bug 90577 that you assigned to me with the same results you got
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90577 in firefox "Firefox crashes during form entry" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90577
[06:55] <gnomefreak> looking
[06:55] <asac> i have seen more than one crash like that
[06:55] <asac> anyone else too?
[06:55] <gnomefreak> asac: its 159mb. is ther e agnome meta package in etch?
[06:56] <asac> you can choose during instlal
[06:56] <asac> if you choose
[06:56] <asac> Desktop Environment
[06:56] <asac> you will get gnome
[06:56] <asac> and all setup
[06:56] <asac> there are other "tasks" as well
[06:56] <asac> but desktop enviroment should be the way to go
[06:57] <gnomefreak> ah netinstall allows me to choose? i thought it would drop me in tty
[06:57] <asac> yes
[06:57] <asac> you can choose as usually
[06:57] <gnomefreak> ah ok easy enough i remember debian installer
[06:57] <asac> only packages come from net not cd
[06:57] <gnomefreak> hjmf: asac he has something hes not telling us maybe beryl or something that might be causing crash IMHO
[06:58] <asac> really ... pointing bugs at other apps is always last resort ... so lets first assume that its firefox problem
[06:58] <asac> plugin?
[06:58] <asac> extension?
[06:58] <asac> reproducible?
[06:58] <asac> output on console?
[06:59] <hjmf> he has a realplayer installed at /opt, maybe related
[07:00] <gnomefreak> as i asked if he can reproduce it and asked him to provide backtrace by following the wiki
[07:00] <gnomefreak> hjmf: yes i was thinking that too when i retraced it
[07:00] <gnomefreak> if he cant reproduce it there is nothing we can really do IMHO
[07:01] <hjmf> I've tried to link /usr/lib/helix/player/mozilla/nphelix.so /opt/RealPlayer/mozilla/ to see if that gets a clue
[07:01] <asac> what is helix?
[07:01] <hjmf> but makes no diference
[07:01] <gnomefreak> helixplayer
[07:01] <gnomefreak> its like realplayer iirc
[07:01] <asac> ah
[07:01] <asac> does he have real player?
[07:01] <asac> maybe we can reproduce with it?
[07:01] <gnomefreak> im not sure wtf nphelix.so is located though
[07:02] <gnomefreak> installed in /opt
[07:03] <asac> why do people need realplayer?
[07:03] <asac> just marketing affinity?
[07:03] <hjmf> maybe they install everything that popups
[07:03] <asac> yeah ... probably good guess ;)
[07:04] <gnomefreak> added a few comments
[07:04] <gnomefreak> lets see what he says
[07:04] <gnomefreak> problem is filling out a form has nothing to do with media player
[07:04] <gnomefreak> s
[07:04] <asac> yeah ... anyway
[07:05] <asac> wierd crashes
[07:05] <gnomefreak> maybe he meant forum entry but still no need for player
[07:05] <asac> are most likely not related to the code that you see in trace
[07:05] <asac> but maybe memory got trashed sometimes before
[07:05] <asac> nobody can tell when
[07:05] <asac> console output might yield assertions
[07:05] <asac> to indicate some wierd things
[07:05] <gnomefreak> asac: no way of telling if his statment is true that he cant reproduce it
[07:06] <asac> yes
[07:06] <gnomefreak> s/telling if/telling, if
[07:06] <asac> i guess 98% of reporters won't be able to reproduce a crash
[07:06] <asac> they might get another crash
[07:06] <asac> especially if they use comments like "closed unexpectedly, shutdown for no reason, etc)
[07:07] <gnomefreak> since there isnt enough info to do much with
[07:07] <asac> yes probably ... however keeping open as reference, so we get alarm bells if a dupe happens is always good
[07:08] <asac> maybe other reporter can reproduce
[07:08] <asac> its like a puzzle
[07:08] <asac> don't throw pieces away ... find a way to manage them :)
[07:08] <asac> of course this is a growing puzzle
[07:08] <asac> ok ... back to hard work
[07:09] <hjmf> asac, gnomefreak, I have to go. gnomefreak If you want me to do edgy retraces tell me, there are too little retraceable reports in feisty. I'll review the logs later.  see you
[07:09] <asac> bye
[07:10] <gnomefreak> bye
[07:11] <gnomefreak> hjmf: if you find some assign some to me and yourself. i only have one more retrace i can do atm and im going through bugs from oldest to newest. but i would love some more to do :)
[07:13] <gnomefreak> but today im gonna try to get debian installed
[07:16] <gnomefreak> ill be back im gonna install this
[08:35] <gnomefreak> i think this is good :)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> just have to figure a few things out
[08:41] <hjmf> something curious about bug #71605
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71605 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@IM_get_input_context]  (null-deref)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:41] <hjmf> asac, gnomefreak ^^^
[08:41] <asac> yes?
[08:41] <hjmf> be careful because first retraced stacktrace is about @IM_get_input_context
[08:42] <hjmf> but first reporter's crash is a gtk issue
[08:42] <asac> which?
[08:42] <asac> trace?
[08:42] <asac> gnomefreak: you are on debian?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> right now yes kind of
[08:42] <asac> how "kind of" ?
[08:43] <hjmf> Yes, Kevin Kubasik  crash is gtk_style_realize
[08:43] <asac> did install work well?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> hjmf: everyone else i filed bugs for use kevin as default bug
[08:43] <asac> hjmf: ah ok ... then its ok. we can merge it to master.
[08:43] <gnomefreak> mark it as dupe of 72018
[08:43] <hjmf> no!
[08:43] <asac> no?
[08:43] <asac> ah bug 72018
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[08:43] <asac> is wrong
[08:43] <gnomefreak> asac: yes im on it but i want icons off desktop and i need a sources.list :(
[08:44] <hjmf> because first retrace can be used as master of [@IM_get_input_context]
[08:44] <gnomefreak> asac: dont tell me that there are 100 or so dupes
[08:44] <asac> hjmf: yes ... its in description ... lets use it for that
[08:44] <gnomefreak> oh you mean the im_get  i have a bunch with that
[08:44] <asac> e.g. @IM_get_input_context
[08:44] <hjmf> the one from MasterOfDisaster
[08:45] <gnomefreak> asac: so use 72018 as master for IM_get_imput_context?
[08:45] <asac> bug 72018
[08:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize]  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[08:45] <asac> no
[08:45] <asac> there is already one
[08:45] <gnomefreak> Reported bugs for MasterofDisaster and Hugh for their reports.
[08:45] <gnomefreak> i already reported bugs for them and jules
[08:45] <asac> do what you want :)
[08:46] <asac> we have master for both i guess
[08:46] <gnomefreak> bug 71605 == kevins bug only now
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71605 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@IM_get_input_context]  (null-deref)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:46] <asac> yes
[08:46] <asac> bug 85627,
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85627 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@ IM_get_input_context]  when watching video" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85627
[08:46] <asac> is master
[08:46] <gnomefreak> asac: where can i get a good sources list?
[08:47] <asac> what do you miss?
[08:47] <hjmf> SHIT
[08:47] <gnomefreak> asac: everything i only have 2 repos
[08:47] <hjmf> I did a search like this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.searchtext=MASTER
[08:47] <asac> gnomefreak: paste somewhere
[08:47] <gnomefreak> k
[08:48] <asac> hjmf: did it not show up?
[08:48] <asac> btw, there are more IM_get_input_context
[08:48] <hjmf> and I thought that bug 71605 was a master
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71605 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@IM_get_input_context]  (null-deref)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:48] <asac> that can be merged into the master
[08:48] <hjmf> :/
[08:48] <asac> the other has the upstream bug
[08:48] <asac> thats why it is master by definition :)
[08:48] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10229/
[08:48] <hjmf> now I see it; my fault, Im blind
[08:49] <hjmf> I cant read, sorry guys
[08:49] <gnomefreak> hjmf: atleast you can read most days :(
[08:49] <hjmf> :)
[08:49] <asac> gnomefreak: remove the CD lines
[08:49] <asac> if you have net access
[08:49] <asac> then
[08:50] <asac> just use these:
[08:50] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10230/
[08:50] <asac> gnomefreak: you want to go sid?
[08:50] <asac> if so
[08:50] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10231/
[08:50] <gnomefreak> i will be going to sid sooner or later. maybe tonight
[08:50] <asac> just those
[08:50] <asac> then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <asac> ok
[08:50] <asac> gnomefreak: just do now :)
[08:51] <asac> better before you install more packages
[08:51] <gnomefreak> and that will get me nvidia java flash and stuff?
[08:51] <gnomefreak> good point
[08:51] <asac> nvidia is simple
[08:51] <asac> from non-free
[08:51] <asac> you get it
[08:51] <asac> java as well
[08:51] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:51] <asac> flash ... dunno
[08:51] <asac> you can install from adobe
[08:52] <asac> for nvidia you need
[08:52] <asac> nvidia-glx
[08:52] <asac> and
[08:52] <asac> module-assistant
[08:52] <asac> and then select the nvidia module
[08:52] <gnomefreak> ok i upgrade first :)
[08:52] <asac> it will build and install the nvidia kernel
[08:52] <asac> yes do
[08:52] <asac> :)
[08:52] <asac> etch and sid are currently pretty much in sync
[08:52] <gnomefreak> doing update now :)_
[08:53] <gnomefreak> 2 repos :(
[08:53] <asac> so ther should be no hard problems :)
[08:53] <asac> yes they are just 2
[08:53] <gnomefreak> my ubuntu list is long compared to debian
[08:53] <asac> but you have each
[08:53] <asac> main contrib non-free
[08:53] <asac> sure
[08:53] <asac> ubuntu has lots of comments
[08:53] <asac> and backports stuff
[08:53] <asac> but if you go sid you don't need such a thing
[08:53] <gnomefreak> true
[08:54] <gnomefreak> well 115 upgrade
[08:54] <asac> thats good ... if you come from cd ... those packages might have even been updated in etch
[08:54] <gnomefreak> how to remove icons from desktop?
[08:54] <asac> just remove?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> cant cd Desktop and mv them cant right click
[08:54] <gnomefreak> and remove
[08:54] <asac> no?
[08:55] <asac> hmm
[08:55] <gnomefreak> nope
[08:55] <gnomefreak> cant drag and drop into trash either
[08:55] <asac> hmm
[08:55] <asac> keep them for now
[08:55] <asac> i guess you can
[08:56] <asac> set this in administration->Preferences
[08:56] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[08:57] <asac> maybe its a nautilus setting?
[08:57] <asac> i remember something
[08:57] <asac> but can't tell :)
[08:58] <asac> debian ships it the gnome default way
[08:58] <gnomefreak> i noticed
[08:58] <asac> e.g. nautilus in normal mode
[08:58] <asac> not browser
[08:58] <gnomefreak> nautilus is weird always opening another window and so small
[08:59] <gnomefreak> what is thunderbird called now? icedove?
[08:59] <asac> http://www.theevilpixel.com/?q=node/157
[08:59] <asac> yes
[08:59] <asac> install thunderbird will install it as well
[09:00] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[09:00] <asac> nautilus remembers size and place for each folder
[09:00] <asac> so you can organize your desktop :)
[09:00] <asac> spatial mode assumes flat directory hierachy
[09:00] <asac> layout
[09:01] <asac> so you add a few folders on your desktop or something and put files you want to access in there
[09:01] <asac> actually i like spatial mode :)
[09:01] <asac> didn't came to reset to that here on ubuntu
[09:01] <asac> will do now :)
[09:01] <gnomefreak> never used spatial mode
[09:05] <asac> did the gconf setting work?=
[09:05] <asac> for desktop icons?
[09:06] <asac> you can run killall nautilus if it doesn't update automatically after changing setting
[09:06] <asac> yeah ... i am now highly decorated :)
[09:07] <gnomefreak> yep they did ty
[09:12] <gnomefreak> Could not open the address "http://www.theevilpixel.com/?q=node/157":
[09:13] <gnomefreak> There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[09:13] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[09:13] <asac> hehe
[09:13] <asac> maybe you need to set firefox
[09:13] <asac> in preferences?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> i set iceweasle :(
[09:13] <asac> what app are you in?
[09:13] <asac> xchat?
[09:13] <asac> irssi?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> irssi
[09:14] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[09:14] <asac> from gnome-terminal? strange always worked for me
[09:14] <gnomefreak> setting it to firefox instead of iceweasle worked
[09:14] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[09:14] <asac> is there an iceweasel entry?
[09:14] <asac> a prepared one?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:14] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:14] <gnomefreak> and it failed to open it
[09:14] <asac> can you start iceweasel from command line?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:15] <asac> maybe syntax is messed up in preferred applications?
[09:15] <asac> of command
[09:15] <gnomefreak> ill look at it
[09:16] <gnomefreak> that worked (resetting it)
[09:16] <asac> ok so maybe accident edit :)
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nmo it didnt
[09:16] <asac> how do icons of icedove and iceweasel look like in menu?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> its only opening tabs that it errors on
[09:16] <asac> crazy
[09:16] <asac> what command is there?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> it keeps changing
[09:17] <gnomefreak> its now /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox "%s"
[09:17] <gnomefreak> it was iceweasel %s
[09:17] <asac> hmm
[09:17] <asac> are you asked on startup
[09:17] <asac> "update default application" ?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> find out now
[09:18] <gnomefreak> ok its set to default
[09:18] <gnomefreak> now it works
[09:18] <gnomefreak> wtf
[09:18] <asac> updated again?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> it asks me everytime i start
[09:19] <asac> ah
[09:19] <asac> bug then
[09:19] <gnomefreak> it says its not default want to make it default :(
[09:19] <asac> remove -gnome-support
[09:19] <asac> that should remove that question
[09:19] <asac> probably already filed
[09:20] <asac> doesn't that happen to firefox?
[09:20] <asac> e.g. when you choose firefox
[09:20] <gnomefreak> no i dont think it did
[09:20] <asac> it probably does
[09:20] <asac> would be strange otherwise
[09:20] <gnomefreak> doesnt help
[09:21] <gnomefreak> removing iceweasel-gnome-support
[09:21] <gnomefreak> ok lets find out
[09:21] <gnomefreak> yep still borkedd
[09:22] <gnomefreak> set it to ff and leave it alone works :)
[09:23] <asac> crazy
[09:23] <asac> what color has iceweasel icon in menu?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> purpleish
[09:24] <gnomefreak> its pretty nice
[09:24] <asac> ok
[09:25] <asac> can you send me a screenshot of menu?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> iceape == mozilla-suite?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:25] <asac>  iceape - seamonkey - new mozilla
[09:25] <gnomefreak> printscreen doesnt work :(
[09:26] <asac> actually i like the icedove logo on startscreen more than thunderbirds :)
[09:26] <asac> alt print ?
[09:26] <asac> should do
[09:26] <gnomefreak> cant do it when menu is open
[09:26] <asac> ah
[09:26] <gnomefreak> same as kde in ubuntu
[09:26] <asac> damn ;)
[09:26] <gnomefreak> i got one of my panel :) same icon
[09:27] <asac> hmm
[09:27] <asac> i hate it
[09:27] <asac> the gnome applet for screenshot
[09:27] <asac> does not allow timer till shot
[09:27] <asac> always have to install loads of kde dependencies
[09:27] <asac> because i use ksnapshot
[09:28] <asac> but i think there should be an X only tool as well
[09:28] <gnomefreak> where is there a place to upload files?
[09:28] <asac> dunno
[09:28] <asac> wait
[09:29] <asac> http://imageshack.us/
[09:29] <gnomefreak> http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotnk9.png
[09:31] <asac> nice ... so iceweasel is blue
[09:31] <asac> good
[09:31] <asac> icedove is green
[09:31] <asac> and i guess iceape red?
[09:32] <asac> icedove green/blue
[09:32] <gnomefreak> not sure yet
[09:33] <asac> ah
[09:33] <asac> can you please look if about dialog is still broken
[09:33] <asac> oh
[09:33] <asac> i think not
[09:33] <asac> ok
[09:33] <gnomefreak> in what?
[09:38] <asac> icedove
[09:38] <asac> about -> credits
[09:39] <asac> but was never broken
[09:39] <asac> for en-US
[09:39] <asac> only for other locales
[09:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:39] <gnomefreak> its installing as we speak :)
[09:40] <asac> ok
[09:40] <asac> i really need to get final things done
[09:40] <asac> for feisty
[09:40] <gnomefreak> go for it
[09:40] <asac> no
[09:40] <gnomefreak> sleep?
[09:40] <asac> what do you think is important?
[09:40] <asac> maybe there are issues I did not see?
[09:40] <asac> in bts
[09:41] <gnomefreak> the gtk_style (i would make #1 if you can
[09:41] <asac> yes ... not for crashes :)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> and anyother patches you have laying around that have been or can be acked by mozilla by tomorrow
[09:41] <gnomefreak> i think main freeze is tomorrow (thursday)
[09:41] <asac> yepp
[09:42] <gnomefreak> sorry thursday its only tuesday :(
[09:42] <asac> we get new thai support ... for that a good bunch of packages will be added
[09:42] <asac> updated
[09:42] <gnomefreak> good
[09:42] <asac> hmmm
[09:42] <gnomefreak> but thats all i can think of that is urgent really. that makes up most of crashes
[09:42] <asac> probably the bug about adding "Report a Bug ... " menu entry
[09:42] <asac> ?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> asac: if you can i would say ok. but will mozilla go for it?
[09:43] <asac> yes ... if its not-intrusive
[09:43] <gnomefreak> or is that firefox-gnome-support
[09:43] <asac> i will have to look
[09:43] <asac> no firefox
[09:43] <gnomefreak> k
[09:43] <asac> hmm
[09:43] <asac> o
[09:43] <asac> r
[09:43] <asac> ?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> report bug (where?)
[09:43] <asac> will think
[09:44] <gnomefreak> mozilla's tracker or LP?
[09:44] <asac> don't know ... i think there is a thing like apport-report bug
[09:44] <asac> launchpad
[09:44] <asac> it submits info about application, like package version depends and stuff like that
[09:44] <asac> so pretty useful
[09:44] <gnomefreak> in your gnome menu there is report a bug
[09:44] <gnomefreak> that is ran by apport iirc
[09:44] <asac> where?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> under system
[09:45] <gnomefreak> in feisty
[09:45] <asac> don't have that :)
[09:45] <asac> ah
[09:45] <asac> edgy of course
[09:45] <asac> ok
[09:45] <gnomefreak> i do
[09:45] <asac> yes will find out
[09:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:46] <gnomefreak> at this point i would trample through the wishlists to see if you can get anything in quickly but i think most of them are a bit more work
[09:46] <gnomefreak> security fixes can be done after release
[09:46] <gnomefreak> after beta release at least
[09:47] <gnomefreak> except for that damn filepicker
[09:47] <asac> yeah
[09:47] <asac> the crash you mean?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> yeah
[09:47] <asac> i hope that some are gone
[09:47] <asac> at least the totem patch fixes some
[09:47] <asac> i guess it only crashes now when the video html element is replaced by javascript
[09:48] <asac> e.g. in dhtml
[09:48] <asac> not if you go back or close tab
[09:48] <asac> before it would crash whenever you visit a totem site
[09:48] <asac> and leave somehow
[09:48] <asac> afterwards when you cause restyle ... crash
[09:48] <asac> so lets hope that a good bunch is fixed
[09:49] <asac> how many new one did we receive?
[09:49] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[09:49] <asac> lets say in the last 4 days
[09:49] <asac> for feisty only
[09:49] <gnomefreak> i saw a few not many new
[09:49] <gnomefreak> they were all there i beleive
[09:49] <asac> ok ... maybe late comers
[09:49] <asac> and some of course are real
[09:49] <asac> lets keep eyes open
[09:49] <asac> on this
[09:50] <asac> just to see if impact is less critical
[09:50] <asac> hmm ... i like them more :)
[09:50] <asac> icon maybe not
[09:50] <asac> but logo
[09:51] <asac> the one in about on startpage and credits
[09:52] <gnomefreak> in help its nice
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i dont see a start page
[09:52] <asac> hmm
[09:53] <asac> View -> Go -> Start Page
[09:53] <asac> or startup icedove ... there is a watermarked logo where normally message preview is
[09:55] <gnomefreak> i dont have a splash startup screen for icedove
[09:56] <gnomefreak> not even the startup notifier
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ubuntu == 2.6.20 in feisty right?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrrr
[10:17] <gnomefreak> ubuntu's and debians xorg.conf are not the same
[10:29] <asac> hey back :)
[10:30] <gnomefreak> not good
[10:31] <asac> what?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i lost debians default Xorg set up and now im in ubuntu mounted on debian trying to figure out what is wrong with xorg.conf
[10:31] <asac> have you run module-assistant?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> no:(
[10:31] <asac> are you on console?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i will be once in debian
[10:31] <asac> try # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:31] <asac> ah ok
[10:32] <asac> mount debian
[10:32] <gnomefreak> ok brb boot into debian
[10:32] <asac> no
[10:32] <asac> you should be able to do it
[10:32] <gnomefreak> its mounted but im scared the commands wont work in there
[10:32] <asac> is debian installed in a single partition?
[10:32] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:/media/debian/etc/X11$
[10:32] <asac> yeah
[10:32] <asac> just
[10:32] <asac> try
[10:32] <asac> chroot /media/debian
[10:32] <asac> sudo chroot /media/debian
[10:32] <asac> then run
[10:33] <asac> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:33] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~$ sudo chroot /media/debian
[10:33] <gnomefreak> root@FeistyFawn:/#
[10:33] <asac> my telco really sucks
[10:33] <gnomefreak> or should i have stayed in /media/debian?
[10:33] <asac> telephone is again dead
[10:33] <asac> what a crap is that
[10:34] <asac> provide high speed dsl
[10:34] <asac> but telephone sinks any day
[10:35] <gnomefreak>  No X server known for your video hardware
[10:35] <gnomefreak>
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   There is either no video hardware installed on this machine (e.g. serial
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   console only), or the "discover" program was unable to determine which X
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   server is appropriate for the video hardware.  This could be due to
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   incomplete information in discover's hardware database, or because your
[10:35] <gnomefreak>   video hardware is not supported by the available X servers.
[10:35] <asac> tele
[10:36] <gnomefreak> im gonna boot to debian and try it
[10:36] <asac> irssi can run on cmd line
[10:37] <gnomefreak> it can but cant enter another tty
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ctrl+alt+F# nor alt+F# nor ctrl+F# work
[10:38] <asac> alt+f1
[10:38] <asac> alt+f2
[10:38] <asac> etc
[10:38] <gnomefreak> will try again but it gave me weird warnings. ill brb
[10:42] <gnomefreak> im in under nv and running module-assistant :)
[10:43] <asac> and install nvidia-glx
[10:43] <asac> after installing kernel module
[10:44] <gnomefreak> k
[10:46] <gnomefreak> is module-assistant going to install kernel module?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> so far its been kernel-headers and build-essential and stuff
[10:49] <gnomefreak> Version 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 it looks like is installed now
[10:50] <gnomefreak> is it safe to try nvidia driver instead of nv now?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> ok think it worked ty
[10:53] <gnomefreak> brb
[10:54] <asac> does glxgears work?
[10:54] <asac> direct rendering in
[10:54] <asac> glxinfo?
[10:54] <asac> fine
[10:57] <gnomefreak> bash: glxinfo: command not found
[10:58] <gnomefreak> glxgears same output
[10:58] <asac> hmm
[10:58] <gnomefreak> techboard meeting
[10:58] <asac> search and install (TM)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> im thinking you need to be there :)
[10:58] <asac> no :)
[10:59] <asac> i have been decorated in the meantime :)
[10:59] <gnomefreak> you got your devel?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:00] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[11:01] <gnomefreak> searched glxinfo and got mesa-utils
[11:01] <gnomefreak> direct rendering: Yes
[11:01] <gnomefreak> that package is the one :)
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i thought debian had nvidia 9xxx
[11:06] <gnomefreak> for a usplash do i need linux-patch-bootsplash?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try usplash
[11:15] <gnomefreak> hmm
[11:20] <asac> don't know about bootsplash
[11:20] <asac> don't care for such things ;)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i want something pretty ;)


[01:21] <torrent> I need help
[01:21] <torrent> I have mythbuntu installed
[01:22] <torrent> The other TV programs have no trouble picking up my video capture card
[01:22] <torrent> but myth TV does not
[01:22] <torrent> it hast to do with video4linux2 drivers
[01:22] <torrent> How do I get mythtv to use them?
[01:22] <torrent> How to I set up my video TV tuner again in MythTV?
[01:22] <torrent> Thanks
[01:22] <torrent> any help appreciated
[01:35] <torrent> anyone home?
[01:35] <torrent> #mythtv
[01:37] <torrent> help needed in the mythtv user room
[02:19] <bkr_> evening everyone... having installation issues anybody willing to answer a hopefully simple question?
[02:20] <bkr_> I'm trying to install now and when I ge to the part of installer that partitions the drive it shows up empty but won't continue unless I make the partitions.
[07:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[07:27] <MilhousePunkRock> I wonder if building v4l-dvb from mercurial will help me get my Nova T-500's remote to live... Any T-500 users present who got the remote working?
[09:04] <MythbuntuGuest04> Would anyone here be able to help me with my iMon LCD problem? (Antec fusion R2)
[09:26] <MythbuntuGuest04> Anyone?
[11:45] <filleokus> hello
[12:51] <rinaldi_> ok, i installed mythbuntu the other day and everythings going well. Its just i have a hauppauge ir remote control for my dvb card. I set it up but when i go to map the buttons it ony detects the up/down/left/right/ ok/ number buttons. i was wandering if there was any way to enable use of the fastforward/rewind or channel up/down buttons?
[15:50] <WackoRobie> How goes
[15:50] <WackoRobie> anyone have ePSXe running in mythgame?
[15:55] <Dr_willis> Not me.
[15:55] <Dr_willis> actually I think my MythGame stuff is totally empty.
[18:46] <alexvd_> Hi running into an issue with my serial ports and the change channel script.  After several crashes the port begins to timeout when the script is called.  It also happens if i manually call it from the command line.  The script is enabled and the ports are not busy.  It works fine for a while then starts timing out.  If I touch the port or use for instance dtvcontrol from another laptop it works fine.  Then it will work
[18:46] <alexvd_> s one time in myth and then lockup.  Anyone have any clues before I reinstall?
[18:49] <savageone1> howdie folks
[18:49] <savageone1> mythtv to linuxmce convert, now converting back to mythtv via mythbuntu
[18:49] <alexvd_> hey savageone1
[18:50] <savageone1> my question:  I'm reading about the upgrade process...  Is it as easy as it looks?  My beef has always been updating to a new version has been ridiculous w/ knoppmyth and the like
[18:50] <alexvd_> savageone1: thats why i moved to ubuntumyth too
[18:50] <savageone1> also, it looks as though I could install a full gnome environment, but will that effect my upgrades...  It says on the site "The upgrade procedure will only upgrade Mythbuntu packages if you don't have a gnome or kde desktop installed."
[18:50] <savageone1> alex:  I mean, linuxmce is amazing, but it's just not there yet
[18:51] <alexvd_> savageone its very easy to install mythbuntu
[18:51] <savageone1> and the community is ridiculous, bunch of people arguing in the channel etc.  hard to get help, hard to pitch ideas
[18:51] <savageone1> alex:  I've installed it before, but just to check it out never used it a lot
[18:51] <alexvd_> and the upgrade is just like if you upgrade ubuntu just enable the repos
[18:51] <savageone1> I'm not so worry about ease, I am savvy, it's just I don't want a to be fucking w/ it all the time know what I mean?
[18:51] <alexvd_> yeah well sorry but myth is myth
[18:52] <alexvd_> no matter what distribution
[18:52] <savageone1> true true
[18:52] <alexvd_> good thing about mythbuntu is its based on debian which is the same for knoppmyth and linuxmce
[18:52] <savageone1> if I were to do the mythtv updates via apt-get, does that break the system
[18:52] <alexvd_> so that made the commands and logs
[18:52] <alexvd_> no
[18:52] <savageone1> since it appears there's some additional stuff mythbuntu did to make things easy
[18:52] <alexvd_> knoppmyth it would
[18:52] <alexvd_> yes
[18:52] <savageone1> yup, knoppmyth is a pig ;)
[18:52] <savageone1> i used it for a year
[18:53] <savageone1> it's easy as pie, but it's friggin knoppix so what do you want haha
[18:53] <alexvd_> So here is the skinny.  Mythbuntu still has some warts
[18:53] <alexvd_> knoppmyth probably a little more mature
[18:53] <savageone1> tell me about them
[18:53] <savageone1> I'm not above beta testing hehe
[18:53] <savageone1> does mythbuntu have the newest mythtv running
[18:53] <savageone1> what I'm looking for is ubuntu and mythtv, I'm a ubuntu man
[18:54] <alexvd_> ok so if you run pchdtv cards they have a bug that when you do the install you cant do channel scan until next reboot.  its like the backend is not started
[18:54] <savageone1> so if this is just that minus the full process of instlaling ubuntu and then mythtv, I'm game
[18:54] <alexvd_> yep
[18:54] <savageone1> that's not so bad
[18:54] <savageone1> what else
[18:54] <savageone1> gimme the worst ;)
[18:54] <alexvd_> no static ip at first
[18:54] <alexvd_> need reboot
[18:54] <savageone1> can it act as my router too easily?
[18:54] <savageone1> that I didn't mind aboutlinuxmce
[18:54] <savageone1> makes pxe stuff easier
[18:55] <alexvd_> hmm that I dont do.  I run cisco routers standalone
[18:55] <savageone1> coool
[18:55] <alexvd_> little worried about the fact the box goes down i lose my network
[18:55] <savageone1> I generally use an ipcop box
[18:55] <savageone1> every time?
[18:55] <savageone1> sure it's not an adapter issue?
[18:55] <alexvd_> cool just have to many issues with myth and i end up reinstalling
[18:56] <alexvd_> no I have strange issue with serial ports and the external change scripts
[18:56] <alexvd_> it seems to get borked after a while and I cant figure out how to fix
[18:56] <alexvd_> it just starts to timeout
[18:57] <savageone1> wow it looks like I can just do a brandy new ubuntu install and then do mythbuntu through the package manager
[18:57] <savageone1> mythtv still has voip support right?
[18:57] <alexvd_> yes
[18:57] <alexvd_> although i just use it to register to asterisk
[18:57] <alexvd_> probably want to just do ubuntu then load the packages
[18:57] <savageone1> I'll be doing a broadvoice account from home
[18:58] <savageone1> I have asterisk in my business though ;)
[18:58] <savageone1> trixbox and elastix are my friends hehe
[18:58] <alexvd_> mythbuntu works better if you want to just pop the disc in and do install
[18:58] <savageone1> I'll do the ubuntu first way definitely
[18:58] <alexvd_> it has some good stuff in it for the remote
[18:58] <savageone1> I might do that then
[18:58] <alexvd_> u dont need to do with mythbuntu
[18:58] <alexvd_> just load the disc
[18:58] <savageone1> I've always had issues w/ my remote
[18:58] <alexvd_> installs the whole shebang
[18:58] <savageone1> either way I end up w/ essentially the same product right
[18:59] <alexvd_> except for some of the newest themes like blootube
[18:59] <alexvd_> yes
[18:59] <savageone1> my thing is, I want to have full access to my gnome
[18:59] <alexvd_> you can install mythbuntu and then install the desktop
[18:59] <savageone1> you ever make your own themes?
[18:59] <alexvd_> I wish.  I can barely keep my boxes stable.  Too much mucking around
[18:59] <savageone1> what's that gnome version they got w/ all the crazy screen changing effects?
[18:59] <savageone1> I wanted to check that out
[18:59] <alexvd_> latest ubuntu works out of box with compiz
[18:59] <alexvd_> just enable desktop effects
[19:00] <savageone1> is compiz installed?
[19:00] <alexvd_> and install the control manager
[19:00] <alexvd_> yes
[19:00] <alexvd_> yes compiz installed
[19:00] <savageone1> if I do the mythbuntu method it is?
[19:00] <alexvd_> just enable desktop effects
[19:00] <savageone1> nice
[19:00] <alexvd_> hmmm I dont know about mythbuntu
[19:00] <savageone1> but I'm sure I can get it w/ the package manager
[19:00] <alexvd_> yes
[19:00] <alexvd_> mythbuntu is basically 7.10 gutsy
[19:00] <savageone1> so far it seems if I don't want to have to do my remote manually, I should do the mythbuntu instead of manual install
[19:01] <alexvd_> so its probably thier
[19:01] <alexvd_> yes well it also has a control panel thats nice.
[19:01] <alexvd_> the tv out setup is really sweet
[19:01] <alexvd_> it enables vnc and nfs all nicely
[19:01] <savageone1> that's what I'm doing then
[19:01] <alexvd_> so it make life much easier
[19:01] <savageone1> less work = good
[19:01] <alexvd_> it really does
[19:02] <savageone1> what's your involvement w/ the project?
[19:02] <alexvd_> it also has some scripts for mysql database
[19:02] <alexvd_> i am just a user
[19:02] <alexvd_> trying to fix my setup
[19:02] <savageone1> I hear ya
[19:02] <alexvd_> i run knoppmyth for 3 years
[19:02] <alexvd_> however i got tired of the upgrade path and i run ubuntu on my desktops
[19:03] <alexvd_> so it seemed the better way to go
[19:03] <alexvd_> so are you good with mounting drives and nfs etc
[19:04] <savageone1> a little
[19:04] <savageone1> ;)
[19:04] <savageone1> it's nice to have the gui for that, honestly
[19:04] <savageone1> hehe
[19:04] <savageone1> I can do:  man mount
[19:04] <savageone1> ;)
[19:04] <alexvd_> ok
[19:04] <alexvd_> I will figure it out or just reinstall
[19:04] <savageone1> you got your data seperate I assume
[19:05] <savageone1> my beef w/ mythtv before,a nd with linuxmce now, is it isn't as geared towards "collectors" as aI'd like
[19:05] <savageone1> I mean, I've got a HUGE movie collection, a lot of different formats
[19:05] <savageone1> and I want to keep collecting
[19:05] <alexvd_> yeah that is the plan.  I dont want to keep losing all my data and recordings everytime this stupid friggin probles with the serial ports
[19:05] <savageone1> I also want to be able to pop in a dvd, and rip it to the core w/ or w/o compression on a per case basis
[19:05] <alexvd_> well i have only couple terabytes
[19:05] <savageone1> same here hehe
[19:06] <alexvd_> you can do that pretty easy in knoppmyth or any mythtv
[19:06] <savageone1> linuxmce you damned near had to reboot to see data
[19:06] <savageone1> yup
[19:06] <savageone1> my knopmmyth box is still up haha
[19:06] <savageone1> it's my backup when the girl starts bitching
[19:06] <alexvd_> linuxmce looks intriquing but i cant see all that stuff working
[19:06] <alexvd_> yeah tell me about it girl start bitching my wife hates mythtv
[19:07] <alexvd_> i have to fix it today or she is going to kill me
[19:07] <alexvd_> ok hey good luck going to take my daughter to the park.  Good luck.
[19:35] <savageone1> how would you change the mythbuntu loading screen graphics
[19:35] <savageone1> I want to put my name in there hehe
[19:41] <Daviey> loading screen?
[19:41] <Daviey> the usplash boot?
[19:46] <savageone1> yes
[19:46] <savageone1> I believe
[19:46] <savageone1> when yo9u turn it on, after the bios tests etc, when it's loading mythbuntu
[19:47] <savageone1> w/ the load bar
[20:03] <Daviey> aayes thats usplash.. check out the source and replace the pics .. google will help
[20:04] <Daviey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=usplash&btnG
[20:10] <rinaldi_> on mythtv on mythbuntu why am i not able to see videos in the library section? do the files have to be in a certain folder/ certain file type. also if i want to access the files from my laptop should i just run the frontend from the laptop and configure to connect to the backend on my pc? thanks
[20:10] <Daviey> if you like, or use vlc et
[20:10] <Daviey> etc
[20:10] <Daviey> and yes, video's have to be in a certain location, and the default setup requires a 'scan'
[20:12] <rinaldi_> daviey: when i scan a small box falshes blue and then goes off. im not sure it has even scanned. i also changed the video store location to where my videos are and scanned but still no luck
[20:12] <Daviey> permissions?
[20:13] <rinaldi_> well i pu the location as being /home/videos/. so i dunno, not sure about permission
[20:13] <Daviey> I think the solution is for you to keep trying different things :)
[20:14] <rinaldi_> yeh il keep at it! thanks
[20:38] <rikardot> can anyone help me with lirc for imon?
[20:42] <rikardot> does has any
[20:42] <rikardot> does anybody have any expirience with imon drivers for soundgrapth components?
[20:45] <rikardot> lirc expiriences anybody?
[20:54] <rikardot> very talkative channel
[22:13] <Koffa> very christmasy time
[22:16] <Daviey> rikardot: let us know your problem
[22:16] <Daviey> rikardot: if you don't state
[22:16] <Daviey> we can't answer - most of us are using lirc
[22:38] <pteague> anybody know what the url for the buy one get one is? for the laptops?
[23:51] <rikardot> Daviey: I have Zalman case HD160XTplus (it has built in SoundGraph touch LCD display and IR receiver), it should work with imon drivers but it doesnt
[23:52] <rikardot> it is funny that zalman remote just works without lirc until I press buttons that are not sending mouse commands
[23:53] <rikardot> SoundGraph usb device is presented as input.keyboard and input.mouse


[13:37] <ztane> on a server machine with a failed /dev/sda; I am trying to figure out what is *writing to it* as reported by atop, because it is slowing the IO considerably; it was part of SWRAID /dev/md0 but I've failed and removed it from the array...
[13:37] <ztane> focal, up to date...
[13:43] <ztane> nvm, id10t error
[13:46] <ztane> turns out it was part of a raid0 array. fun times.
[16:27] <Kilroy> is there a way to prevent sudo -s
[16:27] <Kilroy> with out preventing sudo
[16:31] <andol> Kilroy: Well, you can always write more specific sudoers rules, but technically that will do more than just preventing sudo -s.
[16:33] <andol> Kilroy: What problem is you really trying to solve? Preventing the user from having unrestriced sudo/root access? Preventing the user from getting an interactive root shell?
[16:33] <Kilroy> trying to prevent the interactive root shell
[16:36] <andol> Yeah, that's not really realistic, unless you also very explicitly limit what commands the user is allowed to execute as root.
[22:40] <foo> coke: thanks, I guess a VPN would just need a VPN client.
[22:41] <foo> tomreyn: Open to a VPN, I thought that was "more involved" - it's less important to access a local network, more important to have a specific IP address. Thanks for chiming in