[00:49] <jbicha> the command is from glib2 2.50
[00:50] <jbicha> robert_ancell: hi, if you've got time, could you look at sponsoring bug 1664288 ?
[00:50] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ok
[01:39] <jbicha> robert_ancell: could you retry gdk-pixbuf? it built on amd64 in my PPA earlier today so maybe the tests are just flaky
[01:41] <robert_ancell> jbicha, retried. It's both 64 bit arches though... looks suspicious
[01:54] <jbicha> ok, it worked on arm64 this time, so let's try amd64 again! :)
[02:20] <dobey> TheMuso: yeah. the problem is that i need cli to do it, for a simple test, that also needs to work on 16.04, which doesn't have the cli option. i'd prefer not to have to write a separate tool for it, but i guess i might have to
[02:27] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: heya, so I readded ant, ant-optional deps for the autopkgtests and checked vs. some older version that had those if we lost more.
[02:33] <desrt> Sweet5hark: uh.  good morning.
[02:39] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: found libarchive-zip-perl, libcommons-logging-java, libglew-dev, libhsqldb1.8.0-java have gone missing, but I think that is justified by changes for all but libhsqldb1.8.0-java. and hsqldb is apparently installed by the autopkgtests if I read the log right.
[02:39] <Sweet5hark> desrt: heh, yeah: moin ;)
[03:42] <Sweet5hark> jbicha, seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/zesty/5.3.0/libreoffice_5.3.0~rc3-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[03:42]  * Sweet5hark goes to fetch some four ours of sleep or so ...
[03:42] <sarnold> heh, just when I was wondering if you were still up or up early..:)
[03:46] <robert_ancell> jbicha, gdk-pixbuf really doesn't want to compile on amd64 :(
[03:46] <robert_ancell> I'll give it one more chance
[08:10] <Sweet5hark> moin!
[08:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/zesty/5.3.0/libreoffice_5.3.0~rc3-0ubuntu2_source.changes -- I made the Recommends: on -sbdc-firebird go away when we dont build firebird. I did _not_ add a transitional too as doing both didnt seem to make sense to me.
[08:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:23] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, how are you?
[08:24] <Sweet5hark> heya, a bit underslept, gt away here at 4:45 yesterday. but beyond that: up and ready for a fight ;)
[08:24] <seb128> Sweet5hark, +1 on no transitional ... the other part of the changes should fix the autopkg issues right?
[08:25] <seb128> Sweet5hark, urg, you should get a bit more sleep :-)
[08:27] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes, I hope so. I didnt remove the "Breaks:" from https://paste.debian.net/plain/914123  as I didnt yet check what the reason for them was and they should hurt. can remove them either later (after ff) or on the next LTS+1 (if that will ever be).
[08:28] <Sweet5hark> seb128: can sleep when Im dead. ;)
[08:30] <seb128> Sweet5hark, that diff has the transitional you said you didn't add?
[08:42] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, seb128, morning
[08:43] <seb128> hey ricotz
[08:43] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, what is the point for a new l10n package?
[08:44] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: new l10n package likely not needed, was just autogenerated by my tooling.
[08:45] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: thus havent shared the -l10n link with seb128
[08:45] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I see, better don't upload it to safe cycles ;P
[08:58] <willcooke> morning all
[09:01] <desrt> hihi willcooke
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke desrt Laney
[09:01] <Laney> yo
[09:01] <Laney> happy iraqi communist martyrs day
[09:02] <desrt> poor communists :(
[09:02]  * desrt has a feeling that, today, rosie is receiving nothing more than a history lesson
[09:03] <Laney> actually I can't find much about the communist martyrs of iraq
[09:03] <Laney> :(
[09:04] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Salman_Yusuf
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:34] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Very well thanks.
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> Working with some "interesting" organisations on the road to snaps.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> Going is good now, the snappy team put in a huge effort before Christmas and early in Jan.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> It is really paying off now.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> Snap support in electron-builder is reliable now too. They been a willing upstream :-)
[09:37] <seb128> nice
[10:07] <Laney> arhgioahgaoih
[10:07] <Laney> I forgot to rebuild the thing I was bisecting
[10:08] <Laney> good good good good "hmm, this is suspicious, oh well" good good good
[10:08] <Laney> /o\
[10:08] <Laney> attente would never make such a mistake
[10:12] <seb128> it's an art
[10:14] <Laney> yeah I was never any good at art
[10:19] <Laney> that's better
[10:24] <didrocks> pro-bisecter ©
[10:44] <jbicha> do emojis count as art?
[10:44] <jbicha> good morning
[10:52] <Laney> hi jbicha
[10:56] <Sweet5hark> seb128: anything missing for http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/zesty/5.3.0/libreoffice_5.3.0~rc3-0ubuntu2_source.changes -- ff is tomorrow, right?
[10:57] <jbicha> Sweet5hark: LO 5.3 is already in zesty for feature freeze purposes
[11:01] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: hmm, true. admitted having something struck by autopkgtest on ff is just a cosmetic issue. But its MY cosmetic issue ;)
[11:02] <Sweet5hark> jbicha: of course seb128 will say in a second, I should just get my uploader rights and he would be right.
[11:04] <jbicha> Laney: did you see that gdk-pixbuf fails to build on amd64 on zesty? I went ahead and reported it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/778600
[11:05] <Laney> Nope
[11:06] <jbicha> robert_ancell sponsored it for me and retried it several times :(
[11:06] <Laney> It's probably the MALLOC_PERTURB patch that was dropped though
[11:15] <jbicha> it's causing all its rdepends to ftbfs on non-amd64 :(
[11:15] <Laney> Someone keeps retrying it
[11:18] <tsdgeos> jibel: Laney: can we maybe remove it from proposed? it's blocking unity8 silos for example
[11:18] <tsdgeos> until we get that fixed
[11:18] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'm going to do a fresh flash but can you check amd64 xenial.2 releases slides for me sometimes they trigger sometimes not but only on amd64 testing on xps13
[12:31]  * Laney bins a whole load of old notes / todo lists
[12:31] <Laney> stuff from the u-s-s days
[12:39] <seb128> Sweet5hark, looks good to me, I'm going to sponsor it in a bit, and right you are, you need to apply for ppu for libreoffice ;-)
[12:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thanks and yeah! ;)
[12:48] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, any chance for the 5-3 ppa?
[13:11] <jbicha> Laney: I'm surprised you used bileto for gdk-pixbuf
[13:11] <Laney> Ok?
[13:12] <jbicha> I guess for the ephemeral PPA? I can't push directly to those PPAs so that wouldn't work for me to push like that
[13:13] <Laney> I wanted to know that it would work before uploading it
[13:14] <jbicha> it makes sense, I just expected bileto to only be used by packages with those long version numbers ;)
[13:15] <Laney> Nah, it has source package support
[13:16] <Laney> Just need to get into the team that owns the archives
[13:16] <Laney> I think bileto enforces upload permissions for copies for them
[13:26] <flexiondotorg> jbicha Thanks for discussing the UKUI request package bugs.
[13:26] <flexiondotorg> Sorry it took me a day to review the situation, but I've commented now - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1663477/comments/6
[13:27] <flexiondotorg> UKUI and MATE do co-exist.
[13:27]  * flexiondotorg goes back to snaps...
[13:31] <jbicha> thanks, yeah it's complicated; it looks like they are now trying to fork less packages than they originally proposed
[13:33] <jbicha> it would have been nice if they had communicated with others in Ubuntu or MATE sooner, since they are unlikely to meet their Beta1 goal
[13:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'm a bit concerned about bug #1655782, since FF is soon. Can you please revisit it?
[13:34] <seb128> shrug
[13:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm not the only sponsor around ;-)
[13:35] <seb128> and I'm not sure that is concern/feature impacted by ff or an important issue for the majority of our users
[13:36] <seb128> GunnarHj, but sure, I'm going to try to have a look, weeks just tend to be busy
[13:37] <seb128> GunnarHj, btw I set up a new role account for langpack uploads and generated a new key on friday, https://launchpad.net/~langpack-uploader ... but we should have got a new set of xenial langpacks in the ppa yesterday and it seems that didn't work out, so I need to investigate
[13:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for the update on the langpack update. The reason I keep asking you about that bug is that you had a look already. Maybe not the most important thing around, and maybe FF does not apply, but it would be great if you could sponsor it.
[13:46] <seb128> yeah, I'm going to have a look again don't worry
[13:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great!
[14:08] <davmor2> cyphermox: looks like it might of been a bad copy to pendrive seems to be fine after a re-copy I'll keep an eye out fir it happening again though incase it is a race of some sort
[15:31] <willcooke> ohh
[15:31] <qengho> Oh man.
[15:31] <willcooke> that came round quick.
[15:31] <desrt> yup
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2017-02-14
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 14 15:31:19 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31]  * desrt always has trouble remembering if it's winter that's +2 and summer +1 or the other way around
[15:31] <willcooke> Happy valentines day lovelies
[15:31] <willcooke> :)
[15:31] <desrt> :D ♥
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski (out), fjkong, flexiondotorg (out), happyaron(out), hikiko (might be sick), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter (hols), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <qengho> Is that the "pink killer"?
[15:32] <FJKong> full house
[15:32]  * desrt appears confused
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> hello all! ♥
[15:33] <willcooke> One more minute and lets start
[15:33]  * didrocks waits and wants his VIP table :)
[15:34] <hikiko> hi
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <andyrock> hey
[15:35] <andyrock> * updated to some u8 branches after review
[15:35] <andyrock> * chromium on mir
[15:35] <andyrock>   - spent some time studying chromium, ozone, etc.
[15:35] <andyrock>   - had a chat with chromium developer to understand the state of chromium/ozone/wayland
[15:35] <andyrock>   - setup our git repositories
[15:35] <andyrock>   - start to implement the first classes
[15:35] <andyrock> * reviews
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <attente> hey
[15:36] <attente> content-hub drag and drop discussion
[15:36] <attente> was hoping to land the gtk package soon, but blocked by u-a-l
[15:36] <attente> testing the new revision of apparmor dconf patches
[15:36] <attente> (<3)
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <desrt> hey
[15:37] <desrt> refactoring work to prepare for apparmor stuff now that the API is available to us
[15:37] <desrt> basically, turning stuff into gobjects and adding change signals to everything to support dynamic policy changes
[15:38] <desrt> eof.
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:38] <desrt> oh.  right.  ♥ as well
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> 1. netcat-openbsd out-out bug, LP: #1656785
[15:38] <willcooke> 2. spl-linux & zfs-linux <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:38] <willcooke> 3. GNOME translation bunch review
[15:38] <willcooke> err
[15:38] <willcooke> oops
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:38] <FJKong> hi
[15:38] <qengho> Man, we're fast today.
[15:38] <FJKong> * merge gedit 3.22.0-1ubuntu2 from debian #1664529
[15:38] <FJKong> * [SRU] gnome-calulator: give more Test Case info #1633408 #1648992
[15:38] <FJKong> * redo merge subversion #1662787
[15:38] <FJKong> * redo merge pygtk fix changelog as format requested.
[15:38] <FJKong> * keep working on avahi-daemon crash
[15:38] <FJKong> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:39] <willcooke> hold tight, big copy & paste coming
[15:39] <willcooke>  Time appropriate greetings!
[15:39] <willcooke> - Joined the Dell webcast: "Ubuntu Linux | Basic functionality and
[15:39] <willcooke> Installation" to see what they had to say. "Huge interest and demand
[15:39] <willcooke> in Ubuntu from our customers"
[15:39] <willcooke>     - They even explained how to install/configure dual booting UBuntu
[15:39] <willcooke> and Windows on computers sold by Dell that shipped only Windows.
[15:39] <willcooke>     - Advised to disable SecureBoot.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Identified ~400 Electron apps for snap outreach.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Talked to upstream electron-builder to get some remaining issues
[15:39] <willcooke> squashed when making snaps.
[15:39] <willcooke>     - electron-builder (used widely for building cross-platform
[15:39] <willcooke> electron apps) is now making snaps reliably.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Created PoC snap for Brave.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Created a PoC snap for Skype for Linux Alpha.
[15:39] <willcooke>     - In touch with the Skype team.
[15:39] <willcooke>     - They attempted snapping Skype last year and ran into issues.
[15:39] <willcooke>     - They've sent over the issue list and I'm seeing if any issues
[15:39] <willcooke> still remain.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Tested snapd and snapcraft on Ubuntu 14.04, bugs raised.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Tested Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Linux Lite,
[15:39] <willcooke> elementary, Linux Mint,Zorin,KDE Neon and Arch Linux for snap
[15:39] <willcooke> compatibility, bugs raised and distro maintainers contacted where
[15:39] <willcooke> required.
[15:39] <willcooke> - Raised a bug regarding Media Key support in strictly confined snaps.
[15:40] <willcooke> Thanks to _didrocks and _seb128. FIxes committed last night by
[15:40] <willcooke> _jdstrand.
[15:40] <willcooke> - ISO Testing
[15:40] <willcooke> - Had a call with Hyper, an electron terminal application.
[15:40] <willcooke>     - Snapped Hyper by enabling snaps in their electron-builder configuration.
[15:40] <willcooke>     - Pull request submitted upstream.
[15:40] <willcooke> 🎬
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:40] <hikiko> hi
[15:40] <hikiko> chromium on mir with andyrock:
[15:40] <hikiko> - we now have a git project on lp, a mir platform (empty, but we compile with mir classes) and we are adding code
[15:40] <hikiko> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:41] <Laney> sup
[15:41] <Laney> let's just take a breath
[15:42] <Laney> in and out
[15:42] <Laney> ok, that'll do
[15:42] <willcooke> :D
[15:42] <Laney> • Debugged / fixed a 'no password' bug in unity-control-center, uploaded that (& a branch for Robert)
[15:42] <Laney> • Fixed emacs24 build failure which was blocking stuff. Forwarded that to Debian. 25 is still broken differently & others are looking at that
[15:42] <Laney> • Fixed gst-libav regression in x-updates & upstream, waiting in -proposed now
[15:42] <Laney> • Tried to push on u-a-l switching to upstart, hopefully being worked on now
[15:42] <Laney> • Shared my work on gnome-software 3.24 & made a proposal about branch organisation
[15:42] <Laney> • Debian updates: gdk-pixbuf & glib2.0
[15:42] <Laney> • No big work on autopkgtest or appstream this week, just babysitting
[15:42] <Laney> • Some sponsoring reviews
[15:42] <Laney> • Found out `nova boot' doesn't work on Zesty (at least against Canonistack) - bisected and filed a bug.
[15:42] <Laney> • 💑
[15:42] <Laney> 🐭
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:42] <willcooke> <bunch of flowers>
[15:42] <willcooke> #opic qengho
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:43] <qengho> * RPi Cr patches. Light discussion with Cr upstream; they're receptive. Patch feedback to J@Foundation.
[15:43] <qengho> * Cr beta updates.
[15:43] <qengho> * Cr stable, fixing assert heap-freeing crashes on one machine. Not present on same-architecture other machine. Weeird.
[15:43] <qengho> * ♥
[15:43] <qengho> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:43] <seb128> sorry just wiped out my notes instead of copying
[15:43] <seb128> can we go back to me in a minute?
[15:43] <willcooke> :) sure
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - that Munich thing
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - some TDF admin wrt to contractors
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - 5.3.0 upload for zesty before ff (thx jbicha and seb128)
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - autopkgtests fix for zesty, fixed the firebird issues
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream refactoring
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark, good luck with Munich
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:44] <willcooke> * More testing pulse in xenial with latest bluez from zesty, various patches added/removed, etc. I am unable to consistantly use the bluetooth earbuds I have on hand. Both devices support multiple profiles, and neither profile always works, adn things behave differently again if I use different bluetooth controllers. Still not at the point where I feel I have a set of patches that can be backported from pulseaudio upstream to help
[15:44] <willcooke> with bluetooth matters.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Managed to sort out the race condition I was seeing with unity-panel-service and at-spi. The solution I've gone with for now is similar to what was used back when we used upstart for user session management, in that I added a service for at-spi for the unity 7 systemd target.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Spent time testing an at-spi patch from usptream which is attempting to resolve a crash that can occur when exiting an app like GEdit. Its intermitant, so not sure if the patch has done the trick yet.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Found some possible issues with my gsettings backend for Orca, so spent time tracking those down. Fixes not yet worked out, so that is next.
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:44] <seb128> he's out today
[15:44] <willcooke> ah yeah, thanks seb128
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:44] <willcooke> - Chasing up snapd features / bugs for desktop use-cases
[15:44] <willcooke> - Releases: snapd-glib 1.7, lightdm 1.21.4, simple-scan 3.23.90
[15:44] <willcooke> - gnome-software 3.20.1+git20170208.0.a34b091-0ubuntu1~xenial1 SRU
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:45] <seb128> • quite some work trying to fix the langpacks
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ created a new role account for ppa uploads
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ generated a new key since launchpad doesn't let you move keys to another account
[15:45] <seb128> ∘ hit a launchpad bug, rt-ed to get a new email alias
[15:45] <seb128> • reviews and sponsoring (u-c-c, libreoffice, xkeyboard-config)
[15:45] <seb128> • iterated on the gnome platform snap with Tre_vinho and did_rocks
[15:45] <seb128> and looked at some bugs
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:45] <seb128> like the autologin one that Laney fixed (I was trying changing another user which is different codepath)

[15:45] <seb128> sorry :-)
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:45]  * seb128 grrrrs at keeping notes in a unsaved document :p
[15:45]  * dgadomski is waving
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:46] <dgadomski> hey
[15:46] <dgadomski> * recovered from flu
[15:46] <dgadomski> * was busy with non-desktop stuff, but still plan to look closer into bug #1646585 and #1654696
[15:46] <dgadomski> eof
[15:46] <willcooke> hey!  I thought you were still out this week
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:46] <dgadomski> I managed to fix myself ;)
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:46] <willcooke> dgadomski, glad you're feeling better :)
[15:46] <willcooke> Anyone got anything for AOB?
[15:47] <willcooke> going....
[15:47] <willcooke> going
[15:47] <willcooke> gone.  We can talk after this if needed.
[15:47] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 15:47:29 2017 UTC.
[15:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-02-14-15.31.moin.txt
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:47] <willcooke> that was fast
[15:47] <desrt> :D
[15:47] <seb128> thanks
[15:48] <seb128> efficient one!
[15:48] <Sweet5hark> \o/
[15:51] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, "(re-)add ant and ant-optional" doesnt point to any changes in the diff?
[15:52] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, and again could you create the 5.3 version-specific ppa?
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-5-3 done. not yet resized for 8GB
[16:00] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, thanks, better make it 10GB
[16:08] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, what is up with the diff?
[17:17] <willcooke> Message from clan - who ever made dragging attachments from one email to another in Thunderbird is a superstar
[17:17] <willcooke> *work again
[17:20] <seb128> lol, likely upstream in that case
[18:24] <flexiondotorg> seb128 I've just read the backlog.
[18:24] <flexiondotorg> What changes were made to the platform snap?
[18:44] <willcooke> night all!


[01:34] <mup> Bug #1664424 opened: Add easy BMC console access to MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664424>
[08:31] <MaWe_> client ntp error while commissioning: /usr/sbin/ntpd: error while loading shared libraries: libcap.so.2: cannot stat shared object: Permission denied
[08:33] <MaWe_> I've done commissioning with ssh access. After connecting to maas-client 'service ntp restart' failed with the error above
[08:33] <MaWe_> any suggestions?
[08:56] <MaWe_> -- Unit ntp.service has begun starting up. Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 ntp[7535]:  * Starting NTP server ntpd Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 audit[7544]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" name="overlay/etc/ld.so Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 audit[7544]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" n
[08:56] <MaWe_> upps... sorry strange newlines :-(
[10:46] <MaWe_> ?
[13:04] <mup> Bug #1533719 changed: Adding a device with a MAC address that's belongs to another node, fails without providing any feedback <error-surface> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Triaged> <MAAS 2.1:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533719>
[13:04] <mup> Bug #1664558 opened: [UI] Save machine without MAC address does nothing <error-surface> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664558>
[13:04] <MaWe_> Hello there, I had a strange error while commisioning: "update clock skew to -7324" and "http error 401"
[13:04] <MaWe_> after investigating a bit I found out that my client is not able to start ntpd
[13:04] <MaWe_> -- Unit ntp.service has begun starting up.
[13:04] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 ntp[7535]:  * Starting NTP server ntpd
[13:05] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 audit[7544]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" name="overlay/etc/ld.so
[13:05] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 audit[7544]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" name="lib/x86_64-linux-
[13:05] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(1487069714.478:32): apparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/
[13:05] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(1487069714.478:33): apparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/
[13:05] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 ntp[7535]: /usr/sbin/ntpd: error while loading shared libraries: libcap.so.2: cannot stat shared object: Permission denied
[13:05] <MaWe_> Feb 14 10:55:14 ech2 ntp[7535]:    ...fail!
[13:06] <MaWe_> Installation is quite new ... any suggestions?
[13:12] <kklimonda> any idea why after trusty deployment sources.list is being overwritten by defaults?
[13:16] <mup> Bug #1664558 changed: [UI] Save machine without MAC address does nothing <error-surface> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664558>
[13:16] <mup> Bug #1533719 opened: Adding a device with a MAC address that's belongs to another node, fails without providing any feedback <error-surface> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Triaged> <MAAS 2.1:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533719>
[13:19] <mup> Bug #1533719 changed: Adding a device with a MAC address that's belongs to another node, fails without providing any feedback <error-surface> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Triaged> <MAAS 2.1:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533719>
[13:19] <mup> Bug #1664558 opened: [UI] Save machine without MAC address does nothing <error-surface> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664558>
[13:19] <mup> Bug #1664563 opened: Abort fails when deploying <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664563>
[13:25] <mup> Bug #1664563 changed: Abort fails when deploying <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664563>
[13:34] <mup> Bug #1664563 opened: Abort fails when deploying <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664563>
[15:58] <mup> Bug #1664618 opened: Spurious test failure in TestPostgresListenerService.test__handles_missing_system_handler_on_notification <MAAS:New for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664618>
[16:07] <mup> Bug #1664618 changed: Spurious test failure in TestPostgresListenerService.test__handles_missing_system_handler_on_notification <MAAS:New for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664618>
[16:16] <mup> Bug #1664618 opened: Spurious test failure in TestPostgresListenerService.test__handles_missing_system_handler_on_notification <MAAS:New for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664618>
[17:09] <myra> hello world !
[17:25] <myra> Is anyone here expert in MaaS ?
[17:26] <bdx> myra: you will find a myriad of the type here :-)
[17:27] <myra> a what ?
[17:30] <myra> ...
[17:31] <ms2i> 	Can anyone point me in the right direction regarding discovery of new nodes and subsequent commissioning? I have 10 nodes in "New" status and I can't see in the GUI how any "New" node is related to IP addresses in the BMC subnet of my nodes.
[17:32] <ms2i> When I randomly set the power IP of a node and then select the "Commission" action, I can see in the MAAS logs that MAAS has a different idea about which node name is associated with that power IP.
[17:33] <ms2i> How can I see the associations that MAAS has pre-determined? And why am I asked to enter a power IP if there's already a mapping buried somewhere inside MAAS?
[17:34] <ms2i> I'm able to commission nodes successfully only by guessing at the power IP, then selecting the commission action, then aborting the action when I see what the actual node name connected to that power IP is, then configuring that node name that appears in the rsyslog folder with the Power IP I selected originally.
[17:35] <ms2i> There must be something wrong here. What am I missing? This can't possibly be intended behavior can it?
[17:36] <ms2i> My BMC/IPMI network ports are on their own VLAN, and the machine's also have a 10Gbe port on another VLAN. These are Quanta Opencompute nodes and have two MAC addresses associated with the BMC port, so the same physical port can be used by the OS as well.
[17:37] <mup> Bug #1661022 changed: [2.2beta1] artifact collection fails because of MAAS 2.2 API errors - TypeError: Incorrect padding <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661022>
[17:43] <myra>  how I can deploy a Debian image on Maas ?
[17:43] <myra> All I found were Ubuntu releases and CentOS and I tried with the custom image option but I just didn't know how to do it. Is it not supported? because if so, they didn't mention it in the docs.
[17:46] <mup> Bug #1661022 opened: [2.2beta1] artifact collection fails because of MAAS 2.2 API errors - TypeError: Incorrect padding <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661022>
[17:55] <mup> Bug #1661022 changed: [2.2beta1] artifact collection fails because of MAAS 2.2 API errors - TypeError: Incorrect padding <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661022>
[18:46] <mate_> how I can deploy a Debian image on Maas ?
[18:46] <mate_> All I found were Ubuntu releases and CentOS and I tried with the custom image option but I just didn't know how to do it. Is it not supported? because if so, they didn't mention it in the docs.
[19:19] <mup> Bug #1664664 opened: Compose causes infinite loop on MAAS rack <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <MAAS RSD :In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664664>
[19:19] <mup> Bug #1664667 opened: Pod architectures are listed multiple times <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <MAAS RSD :In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664667>
[19:22] <cj9255> JOIN
[20:22] <mup> Bug #1660182 changed: [2.1.2] not able to locate regiond connection issue log messages in regiond.log and rackd.log <oil> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660182>
[22:17] <mup> Bug #1664732 opened: Deleting RSD Pod fails because it tries deleting composed node twice. <MAAS:Confirmed for blake-rouse> <MAAS RSD :Confirmed for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664732>
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1664732 changed: Deleting RSD Pod fails because it tries deleting composed node twice. <MAAS:Confirmed for blake-rouse> <MAAS RSD :Confirmed for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664732>
[22:35] <mup_> Bug #1664732 opened: Deleting RSD Pod fails because it tries deleting composed node twice. <MAAS:Confirmed for blake-rouse> <MAAS RSD :Confirmed for blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664732>
[22:59] <mup> Bug #1310846 changed: amt template gives up way too easily <patch> <MAAS:Fix Released by kirkland> <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Trusty):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310846>
[22:59] <mup> Bug #1664748 opened: wifi connection drops, reconnects every 10 minutes <maas-at-home> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664748>
[22:59] <mup> Bug #1664751 opened: assign static ip from the web ui <maas-at-home> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664751>
[23:05] <mup> Bug #1664751 changed: assign static ip from the web ui <maas-at-home> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664751>


[02:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r489 Make switches rounder and smaller (fixes #169)... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[14:01] <ochosi> flocculant: youll soon have more stuff to test (settings for the log are slowly getting ready)
[16:14] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, i have added several options for logging now and rebased my branch upon master, so no additional - already fixed - issues should appear. so anything you notice there should also affect master and would be report-worthy
[16:14] <ochosi> flocculant: here's the link to the branch if you find the time for some testing: https://git.xfce.org/users/ochosi/xfce4-notifyd/log/?h=logging_rebased
[16:15] <ochosi> flocculant: you should also be able to mute clementine and decide whether you want to log its notifications or not ;)
[16:43] <flocculant> ochosi: okey doke
[16:47] <flocculant> ochosi: fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /users/ochosi/xfce4-notifyd/log/?h=logging_rebased
[16:48] <ochosi> that's what the browser says..?
[16:49] <flocculant> that's what terminal does when I git clone it
[16:49] <ochosi> if you're in your terminal then just go to the 'ol git directory and do a "git pull; git checkout logging_rebased"
[16:49] <flocculant> oh right ok :)
[16:50] <ochosi> and then possibly run a "make distclean" before "./autogen.sh && make && sudo make install && killall xfce4-notifyd" all over again
[16:51] <flocculant> ta - doing that now - then will undo all my stop this thing notifying changes :p
[16:55] <flocculant> ochosi: so this version should scroll in settings-manager?
[16:55]  * flocculant thinks more about changing nick to the_grinch
[17:00] <flocculant> ochosi: bit confused here - but also just got in from work ... you around for a bit later on?
[17:06] <ochosi> if the scrolling works for you on master it should work in this branch as well
[17:06] <ochosi> sure, i'll be around a little later as well
[17:06] <ochosi> will head out for a bit though
[17:15] <ochosi> anyway, just ping me when you need help, otherwise just click through the options and lemme know whether they make sense to you
[17:15] <ochosi> i'm also happy about feedback regarding the wording from native speakers
[17:17] <flocculant> ochosi: ack - still doing the just got in stuff - will look in a while and ping you :)
[17:52] <ochosi> knome: so i just finished the log options for notifyd (just to let you know)
[17:53] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/LtGWRY8.png
[17:53] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/D9CoaWP.png
[17:53] <ochosi> even implemented your suggestion of dynamically updating the infobar label with the logging state ;)
[17:53] <knome> mhm ;)
[17:53] <knome> looks good to me
[17:55] <ochosi> yeah, the "Do not disturb" label is still a bit odd
[17:55] <ochosi> but it's the best i could come up with so far
[17:56] <knome> i guess
[17:56] <knome> yep
[17:56] <knome> ok, going to do other things
[17:56] <knome> bbl
[17:56] <ochosi> sure, hf, me too in fact :)
[17:56] <knome> yup, hf too
[18:36] <flocculant> ochosi: this version still won't scroll in Settings Manager (zesty)
[18:37] <flocculant> and when we were talking the other day about options - there appears to be one missing - eg have notifications but not logged
[18:37] <flocculant> or is that just not possible?
[18:37]  * flocculant sort of envisages something like http://i.imgur.com/zpDF4o3.jpg
[18:38] <flocculant> for example clementine notifies to desktop - but doesn't fill the log with hours worth of track names :)
[19:36] <ochosi> flocculant: initially i thought of adding another row in the applications tab but then it felt like total overkill, you know, it's also a burden to the user having to handle so many switches/options
[19:37] <flocculant> yea understood
[19:37] <flocculant> anyway - seems to work - except scrolling in s-m
[19:38] <ochosi> so in this sense the "mute" option is reused for the log
[19:38] <flocculant> doesn't *work* for me with what I'd want - but that's something else entirely :)
[19:38] <flocculant> imagine wanting to see notifications from media - but not wanting it logged
[19:39] <ochosi> in fact that's a problem of media players tbh
[19:39] <ochosi> the freedesktop.org notification standard (and pretty much all of its practical implementarions in DEs) has a "transient" property that nobody seems to use
[19:40] <ochosi> if clementine would mark its notifications as transient, they would never be logged (i implemented that)
[19:40] <flocculant> oh right
[19:40] <ochosi> the whole "persistence" feature - which is what the log is in the end - is described that way
[19:40] <ochosi> that's another reason - apart from the settings overkill - why i didn't want to re-implement something that was already there
[19:41] <ochosi> hopefully disappointed users (like yourself ;)) will report bugs to media player devs
[19:41] <flocculant> ok - I did think perhaps it was an unlikely thing :)
[19:41] <ochosi> nah, i totally get the use-case
[19:41] <ochosi> i also need to still implement the transient feature in xfce4-volumed
[19:41] <flocculant> yea of course - wish I could patch that and send it to them - more likely to occur
[19:41] <ochosi> cause really: why would you want to log audio volume changes...
[19:41] <ochosi> that should be easy though
[19:42] <ochosi> it's just an additional bit to set on the notification
[19:42] <ochosi> so a one-liner, most likely
[19:42] <ochosi> but first i need to release that darn thing, otherwise you have no good grounds for arguing ;)
[19:42] <flocculant> mmh - easy for you perhaps I have trouble with a shebang :D
[19:42] <ochosi> so more testing and fixing
[19:42] <flocculant> ha ha ha yea ofc :p
[19:42] <ochosi> sure, if you point me to the source i can take a look later, but first notifyd
[19:43] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - that'll be a deal :p
[19:43] <ochosi> btw, also thanks for the mockup :) that's totally awesome
[19:43] <ochosi> really made clear what you meant
[19:43] <ochosi> ppl should draw more
[19:43] <flocculant> welcome - sometimes it's so much easier :D
[19:43] <flocculant> so - for me only issue I can see is the scrolling
[19:44] <flocculant> I've got it set up in a vm too - I will double check there a bit later tonight
[19:45] <ochosi> ok, i'll double-check too
[19:46] <ochosi> crap, so it still works for me
[19:46] <ochosi> must be zesty
[19:46] <ochosi> or can you reproduce in yak as well?
[19:46] <flocculant> \o/
[19:47] <flocculant> I did try in yak - not reproducing there for me
[19:47] <flocculant> and by \o/ I mean at least it's zesty and not flocculant's frankenstein install ;)
[19:47] <flocculant> ochosi: I'll boot the vm now
[19:48] <ochosi> hehe
[19:48] <ochosi> yeah, if it's zesty it could be some problem with gtk3.22
[19:48] <ochosi> cause i presume that's what zesty has
[19:48] <flocculant> 3.22.5
[19:49] <ochosi> yeah, so that may be it
[19:50] <ochosi> ideally it'll just be a small setting somewhere
[19:55] <flocculant> yup
[20:02] <flocculant> grrrr
[20:03] <flocculant> does parole not work in this ?
[20:05] <flocculant> oh nvm - it caught up :)
[20:06] <flocculant> ochosi: ok definitely not working on a vanilla zesty
[20:06] <flocculant> rebooting to yak
[20:15] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - so not sure what's up here then - this is a pretty much vanilla yak install, scrolling with mouse in notifications works - notifications from settings manager - not working
[20:16] <flocculant> guess I didn't look properly the other day
[20:17] <flocculant> when I say scroll - I mean up and down with the mouse wheel - not grabbing the bar and moving it up and down
[21:07] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, i subscribe to the same basic concept of "scrolling", but it works for me...
[21:14] <flocculant> just thought I would make completely sure we're on the same page there ;)
[21:15] <flocculant> not sure what to say then tbh - doesn't work on yak for me in s-m
[21:20] <flocculant> only other thing is perhaps you have more up to date other stuff than a default install would have - perhaps
[21:40] <slickymaster> knome, pleia2, there's a typo in the http://xubuntu.org/news/integrating-releases-website/ page
[21:41] <slickymaster> "documentation" in the second paragraph of the Release Pages section
[21:41] <slickymaster> actually, currently it's "documentaion" :P
[21:42] <slickymaster> fixed and updated
[21:44]  * flocculant wanders off again
[21:44] <knome> slickymaster, :P
[21:44] <slickymaster> hf flocculant
[21:45] <slickymaster> hi knome :P
[21:45] <knome> hello
[21:45] <knome> anyway, you like the integration?
[21:45] <slickymaster> yes
[21:45] <knome> good
[21:46] <slickymaster> it's really a one-stop shop for all our supported release
[21:46] <knome> unsupported too
[21:47] <slickymaster> yes
[21:48] <slickymaster> and I suppose that in maintenance terms it's much better knome
[21:51] <knome> way better
[21:51] <knome> all download lists are now created dynamically from one list of mirrors
[21:52] <slickymaster> hm hm
[22:02] <knome> what? :P
[22:15] <slickymaster> just agreeing with your reply, knome
[22:27] <knome> aha :P
[23:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: hey there! wanna help out with your threading power/experience on this one? https://git.xfce.org/users/ochosi/xfce4-notifyd/tree/xfce4-notifyd-config/main.c?h=logging_rebased#n486
[23:14] <ochosi> (unless it's just g_thread_new())


[19:48] <Zythyr> Has anyone used Systrace, atrace, ftrace or any other kernel tracing. Can you please help me with this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31192104/how-do-i-use-async-start-and-async-stop-in-systrace-atrace-for-android
[23:23] <ontoillo1ical>  9
[23:27] <ontoillo1ical> Hi all. This *might* be the wrong channel for this, so please tell me if it is. I have a question about how ubuntu security team handles things. I'm building tools to monitor USNs, and I see that there are two databases https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn-db/database.pickel and https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn-db/database-all.pickle . Obviously, database is bigger then database-all. Is database-all always a superset? When do USNs leave database and stay in
[23:27] <ontoillo1ical> Thanks!


[06:18] <EruditeHermit> hey, what does this mean when doing fakeroot debian/rules binary
[06:18] <EruditeHermit>       read 2675 modules : new(166)  missing(77)
[06:18] <EruditeHermit> EE: Missing modules (start begging for mercy)
[06:18] <EruditeHermit> make: *** [module-check-generic] Error 1
[06:18] <EruditeHermit> and what do I do to overcome it
[06:21] <raof> Disable the ABI checker, I think.
[06:22] <akheron> there are a bunch of make variables that disable these tests, you need to use those
[06:22] <akheron> just don't remember their names :)
[06:22] <EruditeHermit> hrm
[06:22] <EruditeHermit> I thought I did
[06:23] <EruditeHermit> I did skipabi=1
[06:23] <EruditeHermit> my command was
[06:23] <EruditeHermit> skipmodules=1 skipabi=1 skipconfig=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[06:24] <EruditeHermit> do I have to remove the stamp or something?
[06:37] <EruditeHermit> beb
[06:37] <EruditeHermit> brb
[07:47] <RAOF> http://paste.ubuntu.com/415384/ has been happening a bit on my laptop (on the order of maybe once a week or so) - is this a kernel bug, or is my hardware bad?
[08:11] <amitk> raof: it could be HW or kernel. I suspect you've already tested your memory and disk for errors?
[08:13] <raof> amitk: I've run SMART tests and done a memcheck some time ago; are there better tests?
[08:16] <amitk> raof: it is probably worth filing a bug, csurbhi, our extX expert is at a conference, should be able to look at it next week
[08:17] <raof> amitk: Could you bounce the pastebin url back at me?  It's obviously difficult to store any form of log once the bug flips my storage read-only :)
[08:21] <amitk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/415384/
[08:21] <raof> Thanks.
[08:31] <raof> amitk: Looks like it's probably not my hardware; bug #539467 seems to be what I'm seeing.
[08:31] <ubot3> Malone bug 539467 in linux "Frequent ATA errors and disk corruption" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539467
[08:37] <gribelu> Hi. I noticed that http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ doesn't have the linux-headers-2.6.34-020634rc4_2.6.34-020634rc4_all.deb package
[08:37] <gribelu> any reason why?
[08:39] <jjohansen> gribelu: something is broken, with mainline kernel generation and no one has had time to look at it and fix it yet
[08:39] <gribelu> ah so it's a known issue. I'll wait
[08:39] <gribelu> thanks
[08:39] <jjohansen> yeah, thanks for reporting though
[08:47] <refic> are there any scripts available that one could use to build those packages? instead of getting them from mainline/
[08:49] <amitk> refic: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/kteam-tools.git
[08:49] <jjohansen> refic: we grab the mainline kernels, and copy the debian and debian/master directory into it and then do the regular fakeroot debian/rules build
[11:03] <artnay> is there any way to obtain alpha 1 or alpha 2 and/or daily builds between those alphas? I'm asking this because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - 5xxx series is the most sold separate GPU at the moment so I think the importance of this bug would be high
[11:03] <ubot3> Malone bug 560306 in linux "[lucid] ATI hd5xxx cards wrongly doing kms?" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:13] <persia> Hi.  I just noticed a new linux upload, and it didn't include the one-character fix for my pet bug.  Would anyone have time to look at bug #560717 to suggest what I could do to help make it land?
[11:13] <ubot3> Malone bug 560717 in linux "ports kernel lacks device-mapper as built-in (causes LVM not to activate)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560717
[15:23]  * persia attacks the IRC client with new and different techniques
[15:24] <persia> ]Worked.  Sorry for the noise.
[15:47] <refic> anyone looked into the headers-*_all issue yet?
[16:04] <apw> refic, us t
[16:04] <apw> is thi
[16:04] <apw> is this for mainline builds?
[16:05] <apw> if so no, that person will be me, and i am dealing with main kernel release crises right now
[16:05] <apw> it will have to wait until next week
[16:06] <persia> apw: Hey.  So, I've a pet bug that makes my lucid server unbootable with a 1-character change to fix it.  What's the best way to get this included in the next upload?
[16:17] <apw> persia, when did we hear about this?  its missed release, have to be SRU
[16:18] <apw> milestone it lucid-updates and subscribe me i guess for now
[16:18] <persia> bug #560717 : I noticed it last weekend
[16:18] <ubot3> Malone bug 560717 in linux "ports kernel lacks device-mapper as built-in (causes LVM not to activate)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560717
[16:19] <persia> apw: kees milestoned it for release: does that need to change?
[16:19] <persia> Ah, it got retargeted.  Nevermind.
[16:20] <apw> he can milestone it there, but without settting a fire under the release team its not going to happen
[16:20] <persia> OK.  Thanks.
[16:21] <apw> if you'd brought it direct to me on the monday you might have gotten it in, might, we were already slamming the door as the last expected upload to main distro kernle was last thing tuesda
[16:22] <persia> Sorry.  I thought filing a bug would do it, but apparently needed to have done more.
[16:23] <apw> persia, we have 10k open bugs, there is little way one can sensibly sift the most important things out in a timly fashion
[16:23] <persia> heh.  makes sense.  I'll come make a fuss here if I find something like that again.
[16:23] <apw> yeah better to make a fuss an be told we've seen it
[16:23] <apw> jfo does a sterling job but there are loads of new bugs everyday
[16:50] <ogasawara> bug 563436
[16:50] <ubot3> Malone bug 563436 in linux "comedi drivers are missing completley in the /lib/modules dir" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563436
[16:50] <ogasawara> bug 483343
[16:50] <ubot3> Malone bug 483343 in linux "USBDUX driver timeout" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483343
[16:50] <ogasawara> anyone have the power to approve the Lucid nominations in those bugs for me?
[17:01] <tgardner> ogasawara, done
[17:01] <ogasawara> tgardner: thanks!
[17:01] <ogasawara> tgardner: good to have you back :)
[17:01] <tgardner> ogasawara, I thought you could do it? Did you get removed from some critical team?
[17:02] <ogasawara> tgardner: yah, I got dropped from canonical-qa so my magic is gone
[17:02] <tgardner> ogasawara, bummer
[17:04] <persia> This is already scheduled to be fixed, but we're having a bit of implementation fuss.  Worst case, it ought be sorted by the 27th (which is too late for lucid, sorry)
[17:32] <apw> ogasawara, which package are they on ?
[17:32] <apw> is that the actual kernel ?
[17:33] <ogasawara> apw: yah, am about to send emails
[18:21] <Keybuk> apw: you around?  got a question for you
[18:22] <apw> do i ever leave?
[18:22] <Keybuk> no ;)
[18:22] <Keybuk> so Val just gave a great talk on vfs union mounts
[18:22] <Keybuk> apparently there's a new set of patches on lkml
[18:22] <Keybuk> it would be GREAT if we could get a kernel built with those applied
[18:22] <Keybuk> either the lucid or maverick kernel base (depending which was available)
[18:22] <Keybuk> so we can test pre-UDS
[18:23] <apw> Keybuk, ok could you send me a link to the emails or something to remind me
[18:23] <apw> i should be able to retask a ppa to them
[18:34] <Keybuk> apw: I'll mail you when I have e-mail :)
[18:34] <apw> heh sounds like fun


[10:32] <zmagii> Which software on Ubuntu Studio is used for Software Defined Radio, SDR?
[11:35] <narsiteo[m]> No idea
[12:11] <tarzeau> zmagii: i don't know how sdr stuff fits ubuntu studio?
[12:11] <tarzeau> zmagii: are you looking for something specific about sdr?
[12:49] <zmagii> Well, just was wondering if there is a default program that can do software defined radio.
[12:51] <zmagii> Maybe I should just try GNU radio.
[12:56] <tarzeau> yeah, there's some more generic ones, and there's specific stuff like dump1090, hacktv, welle.io, rtl-433...
[13:08] <zmagii> tarzeau: Alright, thanks.
[13:30] <wonko> SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:30] <wonko> OvenWerks: Just put firmware version 4.8 on the AF4 and I'm now running 32/2
[13:34] <wonko> and now I'm running at 16/2
[15:16] <wonko> ok, 2 xruns so far at 16/2
[15:17] <wonko> maybe set that to 16/3
[15:17] <wonko> of course that may have been software starting
[15:17] <wonko> so I'll leave it as is for now
[17:06] <resd[m]> I just installed US 20.10 and now i can't get the UI opened for eq10q
[17:06] <resd[m]> anyone else had this problem?
[17:37] <wonko> OvenWerks: dammit I rebooted now it won't start anymore :(
[17:37] <wonko> actually, now it's back to doing the unhandled xrun thing
[17:38] <OvenWerks> resd[m]: are you using it as a plugin? (I am tryig to remember if there is a jack client version) and which program are you using as a host?
[17:38] <resd[m]> OvenWerks:  Ardour
[17:38] <wonko> I set threadirqs this time. Please don't tell me that's making it worse. :)
[17:39] <OvenWerks> resd[m]: I would have to be at a machine that has 20.10 on it. I can check tomorrow...
[17:40] <resd[m]> cool
[17:40] <resd[m]> Is it possible to launch it from terminal to get error messages/
[17:40] <resd[m]> ?
[17:47] <OvenWerks> wonko: I don't think I set threadirqs. Do you have more than one thread per core?
[17:48] <OvenWerks> resd[m]: it seems it is a plugin only. The gui works fine in 20.04 though
[17:48] <OvenWerks> resd[m]: you can launch Ardour from terminal though
[17:50] <wonko> OvenWerks: so yeah, enabling threadirqs (at least with Liquorix) makes it not work. Keeping that disabled and it starts right up without issue.
[17:50] <wonko> I'll try the stock 5.4-lowlatency kernel later
[17:51] <OvenWerks> resd[m]: are you using ardour from ubuntu or from ardour.org?
[17:52] <wonko> OvenWerks: how do I check threads/queue?
[17:52] <wonko> oh, you mean CPU config
[17:52] <wonko> yeah, it's 6C/12T
[17:52] <OvenWerks> when starting from commandline, the repo version is lower case and the ardour.org version is uppercase A
[17:54] <OvenWerks> I have found in the past... when I still had a cpu with hyperthread, that at low latency (below 64/2) turning HT off cleaned up xruns
[17:54] <OvenWerks> That was a long time ago (P4) and I bought an i5 4c4t for that reason
[17:55] <OvenWerks> so I have not tested that since
[17:56] <OvenWerks> wonko: as you go for lower latency, system setup becomes more critical :) I have also found that stopping crond makes a difference
[17:57] <OvenWerks> (though the AF12 seemed to do 16/2 for more than 24 hrs with no xruns and crond on)
[17:58] <OvenWerks> crond runs at nice=10 but if it is doing network/disk actions with large data chunks, the network/disk access is still atomic
[18:08] <wonko> I only seem to get xruns when an app misbehaves
[18:09] <wonko> GoLand was being quite dumb (A reboot fixed that, btw)
[18:09] <wonko> Also, it's completely unfair to compare AMD HT with Intel HT and even current HT with the older HT stuff intel was doing.
[18:09] <wonko> The pre-core implementation was very, very bad
[18:16] <OvenWerks> wonko: that is why I made sure to tell you what I did my testing on and to state I have not done any testing on newer HW
[18:17] <wonko> I'm just curious why threadirqs makes a mess of everything
[18:17] <wonko> that seems odd to me
[18:17] <wonko> ooohhhhhhh
[18:18] <wonko> "Liquorix kernels are built with CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y so the threadirqs kernel parameter is not needed"
[18:18] <wonko> I wonder if adding it a "second time" causes issues
[18:18] <OvenWerks> wonko: I think the Linux kernel has improved as well. At the time the kernel treated each HW thread as a core, but I think now it will not run a low latency thread or maybe any thread on the second thread if a process has high enough priority
[18:19] <OvenWerks> wonko: maybe a second use toggles it
[18:19] <wonko> that could be
[18:20] <wonko> the only "oddidty" is /etc/init.d/rtirq status output looks like threadirqs isn't active
[18:20] <wonko> well, whatever
[18:20] <wonko> it works
[18:20] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:20] <wonko> I'll try to not overthink it. :-D
[18:22] <wonko> I will put my efforts back into this work nonsense instead. :-D
[19:28] <sirriffsalot> I can see that Carla scanned a VST that I wanted to try, installed it with experimental features (wine etc) and everything went fine. But when I search for it after having refreshed and scanned, it doesn't show up in the list..?
[19:29] <sirriffsalot> But if I just drag the .dll plugin file into carla and drop it, it works.. lol
[21:26] <Sbur3> How do I get rid of one source ppa for Mixxx
[21:37] <guiverc> Sbur3, it sounds like you're asking to use ppa-purge; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio has an example of it's use
[22:29] <wonko> OvenWerks: off running my wife to a dr appt so music paused, screensaver going and........ 4 xruns. I'm thinking that for any serious music purposes I might have to follow you recommendation to literally shut down everything I don't need. :)


[15:57] <popey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpimpvpi9rolli0mdagesc0o
[15:57] <popey> ^^ url for the next session
[16:01] <nik90> popey: just a note, the summit page http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22105/appdev-1311-push-notifications/ shows the wrong irc channel
[16:01] <nik90> it is pointing to appdev-1 instead of appdev-2
[16:02] <olli> somebody got the HO URL for me
[16:02] <popey> hmm
[16:02] <popey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpimpvpi9rolli0mdagesc0o
[16:06] <nik90> popey: you guys are live
[16:06] <popey> thanks
[16:07] <__lucio__> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-push-notifications
[16:07] <olli> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-push-notifications
[16:07] <Chipaca> olli: thanks :)
[16:08] <rickspencer3> is anyone from foundations and desktop here?
[16:08] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i am
[16:08] <facundobatista> I hear *so much eco*
[16:09] <alecu> I hear a dog
[16:09] <alecu> and echo now
[16:09] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, can you speak for the update UI in the settings?
[16:09] <rickspencer3> or do we need seb128 for that?
[16:09] <kenvandine> seb128
[16:09] <kenvandine> i just heard about that this morning
[16:10] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i could try if he can't though :)
[16:11] <rickspencer3> dang it
[16:12] <rickspencer3> olli, Chipaca can you guys paste me a link to join?
[16:12] <Chipaca> rickspencer3: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpimpvpi9rolli0mdagesc0o
[16:13] <olli> thanks ricmm I was having connection issues
[16:15] <olli> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/12_a-V9B_ethmVJPF8vtcY7Hs7kc-VP-OcIwRx5ZPmjI/edit#
[16:16] <karni> Doesn't it mean the phone would need to be talking to multiple push notification servers?
[16:16] <__lucio__> no.
[16:16] <__lucio__> at least not for the polling part. yes for giving the registration key.
[16:17] <facundobatista> karni, the push notification server will be only one
[16:17] <karni> I see. Thanks guys, reading the spec now
[16:17] <facundobatista> karni, then, there will be a lot of App servers
[16:17] <karni> facundobatista: gotcha, that makes sense.
[16:18] <lool> There are two server types: the application specific server, and the push notification server (Canonical/phone operator)
[16:18] <karni> Now I get it. At first it was quite confusing from the talk, now I see it's the same as GCM
[16:19] <lool> rickspencer3: we want to factor notifications
[16:19] <lool> rickspencer3: or drop notifications
[16:19] <lool> rickspencer3: or handle network load
[16:19] <facundobatista> rickspencer3, if each App would talk to their own server, you'll finish with 10 apps in the phone polling their servers => battery drain
[16:19] <karni> rickspencer3: We're leveraging a single connection for applications.
[16:19] <facundobatista> (sorry, no mic)
[16:20] <karni> I love this project. Pull me in! haha
[16:20] <karni> (the project, not the hangout ;) )
[16:20] <tvoss_> olli, rickspencer3 o/
[16:20] <knocte-uds> this is the way other mobile platforms work: only 1keep-alive connection to one server
[16:20] <olli> tvoss, pls join
[16:20] <karni> knocte-uds: correct
[16:21] <larsu> is anyone else having problems with the video stream?
[16:21] <karni> larsu: all good here
[16:22] <knocte-uds> it is a keep-alive connection, it's a big dela
[16:22] <knocte-uds> deal*
[16:22] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, there is no polling
[16:22] <karni> rickspencer3: To give you a reference, http://developer.android.com/google/gcm/gcm.html https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternet/Conceptual/RemoteNotificationsPG/Chapters/ApplePushService.html
[16:22] <karni> (2 URLs)
[16:23] <karni> It's not a bottle neck. It's enablement.
[16:23] <ralsina_> each connection is extra wakeups
[16:23] <larsu> karni: are you in the hangout or watching the stream?
[16:23] <karni> larsu: watching. I think there's enough people already.
[16:24] <alecu> rickspencer3: every other mobile platfor(ios, android) does it with a centralized server to save on battery on the devices
[16:24] <olli> tvoss_, you there?
[16:24] <larsu> karni: right, me too. But I only get a blank screen
[16:24] <Azendale> Question: Just to make sure I understand, nothing on the phone is polling with this? The phone just opens a tcp connection, and then the server can send a message any time it gets an update for the phone?
[16:24] <knocte-uds> the server needs to call the client, so either the client polls, or the client has a keepalive connection
[16:24] <karni> larsu: reboot/restart browser/it's fine here :(
[16:24] <larsu> karni: haha "reboot the browser"
[16:24] <karni> larsu: reboot computer/restart browser bud..
[16:25] <larsu> ;)
[16:25]  * karni listens to the session :)
[16:25] <larsu> works in chromium. thanks.
[16:25] <karni> larsu: np. using chromium here.
[16:26] <alecu> rickspencer3: and perhaps "system updates" is not the most useful example to have instant notifications, but this infrastructure is useful for chat or other services where real time is needed
[16:26] <karni> __lucio__: The reestablishing SSL connection without the handshake each time (I don't know the details, though) is a very good and valid point. GCM send a heartbeat to the server as rarely as 5 minutes.
[16:26] <tvoss_> olli, joining now
[16:29] <karni> This is a neat "intro" to GCM in case anyone wants to ramp up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y76rjidm8cU
[16:30] <karni> (ramp up on the subject that is, I'm not a Google advocate or anything)
[16:30] <facundobatista> rickspencer3, we didn't found (yet) any other design, without a central server (that would be the Push Notification Server), that will give the results we want without draining the battery and network operator to allow our phones to use it
[16:30] <karni> Shared that just for reference.
[16:30] <karni> rickspencer3: That's the whole point of push. Live notifications.
[16:30] <karni> But such notifications that don't drain battery and abuse network.
[16:32] <Azendale> QUESTION: Will this single server that is being proposed be opensource and available to run on your own server? If so, will you be able to change the one push server the phone uses (I guess you can always recompile)?
[16:33] <karni> Azendale: (personal opinion) I think that would waste the whole effort of a single centralized server. I feel where your question comes from, though.
[16:34] <__lucio__> Apps wont know where to push notifications if you use a different service.
[16:34] <karni> You wouldn't have benefits of switching to a different server if the only app levereging that server would be yours. All other apps would not work
[16:34] <facundobatista> Azendale, you will not convince twitter, facebook, etc to send notifications to several servers, we need ONE centralized server
[16:34] <karni> because app servers would still be talking to our server.
[16:34] <karni> exactly what __lucio__ said
[16:35] <olli> brb
[16:36] <Azendale> karni: I think my main concern is that we can read the code that will have all our messages passing through it
[16:37] <karni> Azendale: ha, there's a twist here. you don't need to contain your messages within. you can say "hey, central server, tel user of id 123456 they have a message from app id: 4321"
[16:37] <Azendale> karni: maybe opensource like launchpad, where there is one official instance, but we can see the code and propose fixes/changes
[16:37] <karni> Azendale: the app receives a push from the server, *THEN* talks to YOUR server to pull the message content
[16:37] <karni> Azendale: Yes, I understant your question. What I mean is, beyond number of push notifications sent, you have a way to avoid any privacy concerns.
[16:38] <larsu> rickspencer3: no... you really want silent sms waking up the client side service so that you can go into lower power modes...
[16:38] <rickspencer3> larsu, sure, whatever the right service is
[16:38] <Azendale> karni: makes sense
[16:47] <larsu> if this is implemented as a dbus-protocal, how are applications woken up when they're not running when a notification arrives?
[16:47] <larsu> *protocol
[16:47] <karni> tvoss_: mind muting yourself?
[16:47] <karni> you're switching when typing
[16:49] <bfiller> QUESTION: can the notifications be delivered to the system for generic notifications in addition to being delivered the app? app might not actually need to know about it right away as long as user is notified
[16:49] <bfiller> i.e. a snap decision displayed by the system, which the user can act further on a launch the appropriate app
[16:51] <karni> bfiller: I doubt. Each push notification is specific to _some_ application, based on the app registration id. However, you could handle a notification by posting a notification (I would imagine).
[16:51] <karni> That's a bit of a wild guess, though. Maybe the attendies will adress your question.
[16:51] <bfiller> kami: sure, but seems overkill to wake the app up if it's something as simple as a notification without further action
[16:53] <karni> bfiller: That is correct, but our server doesn't know that. Perhaps the app server could decide it no longer makes sense to send the notification. OR (I need to read up the doc) we could have a timeout for push messages, so that if you decide it no longer makes sense to send it after an hour (say, live news updates), it would not be delivered at all.
[16:53] <kenvandine> lool, the system settings first run wizard could handle the registration
[16:54] <karni> bfiller: I also think it depends on the ubuntu sdk/api that we will get, because perhaps not the whole app will need to get initialized to make such decision ("should I start? or not.")
[16:55] <lool> kenvandine: good idea
[16:55] <bfiller> karni: could be part of the registration api, the app passes in whether or not it wants to be waken on an incoming notification or let system handle it
[16:55] <karni> bfiller: I think that would miss the point. If you don't want to be waken up for all push notifications, just query a REST api once you start. No?
[16:56] <karni> bfiller: also, you can update your user data (query feeds, messages, whatever) in the background, and once the user launches your app, you're already up to date. how awesome is that :)
[16:56] <bfiller> karni: no I mean say you have a messaging app, and someone sends you a message, you just want to see the message show up as a notify-osd or in the messaging menu. not necessilary launch the app
[16:57] <bfiller> karni: just like sms notifications occur today
[16:57] <karni> bfiller: right. I still think that would need to be handled by the app itself (and post a notification, for instance).
[16:57] <karni> bfiller: I think at this stage of development it would be a too-fancy feature to have :) Possibly in the future? :)
[16:58] <bfiller> karni: yeah I guess, app would need to know about it but not necessarily need to request foreground
[16:58] <dbarth> lool: don't forget about html5 as well
[16:59] <karni> bfiller: yep
[16:59] <dbarth> lool: webapps if your prefer
[16:59] <karni> dbarth: webapps (running in a web view) can still handle push from QML wrapping it
[16:59] <dbarth> lool: cause we'll need to integrate with push notifications to get twitter messages in real time
[16:59] <dbarth> karni: right
[16:59] <karni> lool: ↑
[16:59] <dbarth> but that's a key elemnt for us
[17:00] <dbarth> we'll get it with qt sure
[17:00]  * karni nod
[17:00] <dbarth> or the sdk
[17:43] <Chipaca> bfiller: karni: the "not launch the app" thing is what's called "message interception" in the doc
[17:44] <Chipaca> Azendale: there will be a floss server, and you will be able to point a phone at it (for testing)
[17:44] <karni> Chipaca: perfect, still haven't finished reading it. bfiller, sorry for the confusion.
[17:45] <Azendale> Chipaca: Awesome
[17:48] <bfiller> Chipaca: thanks
[17:56] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjmkt1j1dfisa4c0fvojhmg?authuser=0 for those of you who want to join in in 3-4m
[17:59] <popey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpikk4fa1i993c57cf7t1mj0?
[17:59] <popey> wat
[17:59] <popey> dholbach: I'm doing app-dev 2
[17:59] <dholbach> popey, I'm sorry - I asked in #ubuntu-community-team and I had set up the blueprint, so I thought I'd do it
[18:00] <dholbach> popey, but if you want to run the session and you updated summit.....
[18:00] <popey> ok, you do it
[18:00] <popey> nope
[18:00] <dholbach> ok
[18:00] <dholbach> popey, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjmkt1j1dfisa4c0fvojhmg if you want to join in
[18:00] <popey> but you need to re-edit the thing on summit as I trashed the youtube urls
[18:00] <dholbach> oh ok
[18:01] <popey> sorry for trashing them, dpm said I'd be on appdev-2 all day, but happy for you to do this session ☻
[18:01] <robotfuel> does anyone in irc want to join the hangout?
[18:02] <dholbach> popey, no worries
[18:03] <zyga> hi
[18:03] <karni> yo
[18:04] <bregma> which is the correct URL to join?
[18:04] <dholbach> bregma, zyga, karni: want to join?
[18:04] <zyga> roadmr: join the fishbowl
[18:04] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjmkt1j1dfisa4c0fvojhmg
[18:04] <zyga> dholbach: I'm a bit tired but if roadmr doesn't want to I can
[18:04] <dholbach> as you like it :)
[18:04] <zyga> roadmr: ?
[18:05] <roadmr> zyga: I'm in the bowl
[18:05] <zyga> roadmr: thanks the video was lagging
[18:06] <iBelieve> dholbach: what's the hangouts link? I missed it.
[18:06] <dholbach> iBelieve, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjmkt1j1dfisa4c0fvojhmg
[18:07] <iBelieve> dholbach:thanks
[18:09] <dholbach> taking notes here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-desktop-usability-issues
[18:09]  * karni should have probably provided my initial experience as well ;) but we'll get there
[18:16] <dholbach> bregma, you said you had some notes already... would you mind sharing them? (added a work item for it already :-))
[18:18] <bregma> some initial note are at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1OvTlzChKhk3374lqAI9j2DRD1fMtyWJLzOGV99_dbTc
[18:22] <dholbach> thanks bregma
[18:22] <dholbach> grrrr, the pad is constantly reconnecting
[18:22] <karni> pad is giving up on me
[18:22] <iBelieve> Does anyone know if someone under 18 can join? Nothing in the agreements I had to agree to said anything, but I remember another young Ubuntu member writing about about it.
[18:25] <karni> iBelieve: what do you mean.. ?
[18:25] <iBelieve> karni: does Google require that users be over 18 to join?
[18:26] <bfiller> dholbach: most of the system apps already run on the desktop, but with the issues you guys mentioned
[18:26] <karni> iBelieve: to join the hangout? I know nothing about that honestly, I'm sorry.
[18:26] <dholbach> bfiller, brilliant
[18:26] <iBelieve> karni: None of the agreements mentioned anything, but look at this post: http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/google-please-let-me-join-vuds/
[18:27] <bfiller> dholbach: gallery, notepad, mediaplayer, camera, browser are all candidates/targets for 14.04 to run better on desktop
[18:27] <karni> #ubuntu-community-team
[18:28] <robotfuel> 'desktop' and  'sdk-app-desktop-integration' are the tags used in bugs for the sdk @ bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[18:28] <karni> pad is very much no longer functional. 503
[18:29] <iBelieve> karni, dholbach: thanks for the link and help.
[18:29] <dholbach> robotfuel, do you know which tag is used for which?
[18:30] <karni> aye qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[18:31]  * karni thinks what to bring up
[18:33] <iBelieve> QUESTION: will right clicks on the desktop be equivalent to long-presses? I've often wanted this feature.
[18:33] <iBelieve> dholbach: ^^^ has that been discussed at all?
[18:33] <popey> pad is back
[18:34] <dholbach> iBelieve, I have no idea and we're sort of all consumers of the SDK/UI here, so we don't know either
[18:34] <dholbach> iBelieve, this session is mostly about doing research to find out which issues we currently see
[18:35] <bregma> iBelieve, at this point we're still identifying interaction deficits, designers still have to respond on how to address them
[18:35] <karni> iBelieve: I like your idea. However, we're focusing more on issues than features in this session. But I'll be happy to bring it up in the future talks.
[18:35] <bfiller> dholbach: looks like there is another session about this topic on thursday (utc 15:00) . maybe we could get design and sdk team to participate in that session and review the current list you guys have identified?
[18:36] <bregma> bfiller, +1
[18:36] <karni> bfiller: great idea
[18:38] <dholbach> bfiller, awesome, that'd be a good start and short-circuit some of the discussion already
[18:39] <dholbach> bfiller, that's "make click apps runnable from unity7 dash"?
[18:39] <bfiller> dholbach: no, this one http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22075/appdev-1311-apps-convergence/
[18:40] <dholbach> sorry, was looking at the wrong place
[18:40] <bfiller> dholbach: and blueprint here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-apps-convergence
[18:50] <karni> great
[18:54] <karni> dholbach: That was a good session.
[18:54] <karni> Great atmosphere, good notes.
[18:54] <dholbach> lots of experts
[18:54] <dholbach> so yeah - thanks everyone :)
[18:54] <karni> Thanks all :)
[19:02] <dholbach> does anyone want to join in on the session? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjs8c7j7bmbi47an0mbfbik?
[19:03] <dholbach> alecu, ralsina_: you guys? :)
[19:03] <dholbach> cjwatson, are you here for this session?
[19:03] <ralsina_> dholbach: omw
[19:05] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in?
[19:05] <ralsina_> alecu: come on in!
[19:05] <cjwatson> dholbach: coming
[19:10] <dholbach> notes here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-click-software-store-status-and-future-development
[19:12] <dobey> beuno, alecu: that would be in the updates app no?
[19:13] <alecu> dobey: or on the details preview after we add the "apps needing update" category
[19:21] <mmcc> I saw a nice explanation a while back of how to handle sorting by review rating in the presence of few ratings: http://www.evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html
[19:21] <ralsina_> mmcc cool :-)
[19:22] <mmcc> it's a brief and pretty understandable article. seems like a nice solution that's obviously better than simple sort
[19:24] <dholbach> ncie
[19:25] <micah2> QUESTION: Are there plans to support hybrid devices (like the Lenovo Yoga) that sometimes have a functioning keyboard and sometimes don't? When searching for apps on such a device, would both desktop and tablet apps appear?
[19:27] <dobey> micah2: the point of convergence is that there is no difference between a phone/tablet/desktop app. the difference is how the app is displayed on the device. the devices should work with touch and a keyboard both, just fine
[19:28] <dobey> tablets and phones can sometimes have keyboards too
[19:28] <ralsina_> dobey: hold tight to that Pre :-)
[19:28] <dobey> my Pre isn't going anywhere
[19:28] <dobey> but it is completely irrelevant to the question :)
[19:28] <micah2> dobey: Right. I just want to call attention to cases where someone on a lenovo yoga is looking for software, they should be able to install GIMP when in tablet mode, not necessarily use it, but see it in the software center.
[19:29] <juancarlospaco> hello
[19:29] <juancarlospaco> test
[19:29] <dobey> micah2: this isn't about software-center and .debs; it's about click apps which are only converged apps :)
[19:29] <kiwinote> (mmcc: it's worth noting however that until you have enough ratings per app, care should be taken in emphasizing 'top rated' apps too much - the more you focus on top rated apps the more app developers manipulate the system to gain better ratings (and yes this already happens to some extent in the existing app store))
[19:29] <alecu> hola juancarlospaco!
[19:29] <juancarlospaco> the iframe on the page of the streaming is not loading hehe
[19:29] <ralsina_> I am lagged!
[19:30] <micah2> dobey: okay, sorry for making it more confusing than it needs to be, just something on my mind.
[19:30] <juancarlospaco> I was to ask about binary deltas , but already done
[19:31] <juancarlospaco> chromium and foresight linux got that working since years, but its not easy
[19:33] <cjwatson> we can pretty easily repurpose debdelta, which has support for various delta backends etc. and basically seems to be the right design for us
[19:33] <dobey> it's not particularly hard to do it the way solaris, foresight, suse, etc… did it
[19:33] <cjwatson> just wasn't time to do it for 13.10
[19:36] <asomething> has there been any thought about GPL compliance for app that ship compiled code licensed GPL? do we need provide a easy way to get a the source?
[19:39] <juancarlospaco> conary was written on python it seems, the binary delta based package manager
[19:40] <juancarlospaco> this is off topic, but theres a planned way to test apps on Mir on headless ?, ala xvfb
[19:40] <dobey> juancarlospaco: and RPM isn't python, nor is the package manager i wrote, nor is the solaris one
[19:40] <cjwatson> we're not going to switch to a new package manager :)
[19:40] <juancarlospaco> True
[19:40] <dobey> and it is not hard to do with dpkg either
[19:40] <cjwatson> juancarlospaco: there's emulator work in progress
[19:41] <juancarlospaco> Cool
[19:42] <dobey> or just test with the x display backend in qt instead?
[19:42] <dholbach> bah, and it was the last session of the day - I was just getting warmed up!
[19:42] <dobey> it's headless, so it's not like you actually need to test how mir deals with the hardware, for your own app
[19:43] <dobey> dholbach: get mark to join all your sessions so more people will want to join the hangouts :)
[19:43] <dholbach> dobey, haha :)
[19:43] <juancarlospaco> for test as in unitary test, or selenium api like tests
[19:43] <dobey> juancarlospaco: right. but i don't think the display backend should matter, as long as you can run the tests
[19:44] <dobey> several things are running autopilot tests with xvfb already, for example
[19:44] <juancarlospaco> selenium api is 3wc standard, theres a draft for it  :P  it scalated quickly, i suppose you can go phantomjs
[19:44] <juancarlospaco> True
[19:45] <dobey> right, but selenium has nothing to do with mir
[19:45] <dobey> it's just an API for driving web apps for testing
[19:45] <juancarlospaco> ok, thanks, got to go  :)


[08:58] <benanzo> does the 2.6.20-15-generic include support for EFI on Apple MacBook Core Duo?
[09:03] <BenC> benanzo: yes
[09:06] <benanzo> If I might as a quick question, when I apt-get install elilo, it pulls down efibootmgr as well.  However, when I try to run it it asks for module efivars to be loaded, which doesn't exist in my kernel.  Is there another way to interact with the EFI boot settings?
[09:10] <benanzo> I've been involved in some speculation in the apple-intel forum at ubuntuforums.org about whether it's feasible to get 32-bit Ubuntu to boot in a pure EFI/GPT environment with ELILO or GRUB2.  Not using GRUB or LILO to boot off the MBR.  There seems to be a large conception that ELILO is for ia64 kernels only.
[09:11] <BenC> the efi support in the kernel is mainly meant for supporting efi partitions
[09:12] <BenC> I'm, regretfully, not knowledgeable about how to install ubuntu on mactel
[09:15] <benanzo> that's fine, were getting it installed and running fine using emulated bios in efi and utilizing the gpt's mbr entry for grub.  I was just curious if the 32-bit kernel was able to interact with the EFI appropriately in order to use something like ELILO to boot it.  I'll keep my eye out.
[09:16] <BenC> you wont be using elilo
[09:17] <benanzo> is there another bootloader that can handle it?
[09:17] <BenC> what's wrong with grub?
[09:18] <benanzo> I was under the impression that GRUB2 was where the EFI support was, but it's not nearly stable.
[09:35] <crimsun> BenC: sorry to interrupt, but in doing a test-compile locally for SUBDIRS=sound (ubuntu-feisty.git), are there additional steps beyond the `make O=/tmp/build ..' ones that I should be using?  I noticed in recent test-compiles that EXTRAVERSION isn't being set properly, and I don't remember having to set the top-level Makefile to have it match, say, -15-generic.
[09:36] <BenC> crimsun: if you're building our of source tree, then yes, EXTRAVERSION= needs to be set to match the local kernel
[09:37] <crimsun> BenC: ok, and I need run bzImage once, correct?
[09:40] <BenC> right
[09:40] <crimsun> thanks.
[02:40] <zul> damn firewall
[04:06] <zul> so what was the outcome of the virtualization bof, I was stuck behind a nasty firewall
[05:48] <\sh> anyone knows, why dapper-proposed/restricted is empty?
[07:47] <Keybuk> #0  0x00002b5759cf2910 in sigprocmask () from /lib/libc.so.6
[07:47] <Keybuk> #1  0x0000000000402d71 in segv_handler (signum=<value optimized out>)
[07:47] <Keybuk>     at main.c:336
[07:47] <Keybuk> #2  0x00002b5759cf2510 in killpg () from /lib/libc.so.6
[07:47] <Keybuk> #3  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
[07:47] <Keybuk> --
[07:47] <Keybuk> any clues?


[03:59] <InHisName> In booting, one machine works a floppy driver fine, then hda: some stuff just fine,  then several attempts at doing hdd: some stuff, keeps failing and trying some more. After giving up, it loads sda: stuff just fine.
[04:01] <InHisName> I checked /etc/fstab/ and only /dev/hda1/  and /dev/sda1/ are set to be mounted.   There is NO hdd mentioned, there.  Checked mount and nothing there either.   Where to find boot process that thinks there is a hdd to work with ?  It does not exist and needs to be removed.
[04:04] <InHisName> Is anyone able to answer the above in their sleep?  Typing while sleeping ok too.
[04:16] <InHisName> More info -->  hdd: IRQ failed +buncha numbers
[04:16] <InHisName> 3 ident.  lines. plus 3 other hdd: lines.
[09:09] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:14] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:24] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[09:24] <rmg51> o/
[10:40] <mn2010> #ZSNES
[10:41] <mn2010> sorry xchat cleared the / tag
[11:06] <JonathanD> :D
[11:06] <JonathanD> hi mn2010
[12:07] <InHisName> mornin' ?
[12:10] <mn2010> morning, sorry doing 1000 things at once
[12:16] <waltman> Morning.
[12:18] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:23] <InHisName> so one of us is VERY busy.
[12:24] <InHisName> That's one WHALE of a multi-tasking project !
[12:28] <mn2010> every morning -_-... webmin makes most of it a little easier though....
[13:26] <InHisName> In booting, one machine works a floppy driver fine, then hda: some stuff just fine,  then several attempts at doing hdd: some stuff, keeps failing and trying some more. After giving up, it loads sda: stuff just fine.
[13:27] <InHisName> I checked /etc/fstab/ and only /dev/hda1/  and /dev/sda1/ are set to be mounted.   There is NO hdd mentioned, there.  Checked mount and nothing there either.   Where to find boot process that thinks there is a hdd to work with ?  It does not exist and needs to be removed.
[13:27] <InHisName> More info -->  hdd: IRQ failed +buncha numbers
[13:27] <InHisName> 3 identical fail  lines. plus 3 other hdd: lines.
[13:45] <mn2010> What bootloader?
[14:12] <InHisName> grub
[14:12] <InHisName> 1.99
[14:12] <InHisName> No, NOT 1.99
[14:18] <InHisName> all refer to either hda1 or sda1, except this one ->        kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda1 astlinux=i586 astkd=/dev/hdc1 ide=nodma       where astkd refers to hdc1 instead.   NO refs to hdd anywhere.
[14:18] <InHisName> from menu.lst   (grub built in '06)
[14:23] <mn2010> Grub-1 - What kernel version,
[14:23] <mn2010> hold that thought, beb
[14:23] <mn2010> brb*
[14:36] <InHisName> More info -->  hdd: IRQ probe failed 0xffffcfa
[14:45] <mn2010> back
[14:46] <JonathanD> howdy mn2010
[14:46] <mn2010> hello
[14:46] <mn2010> guess User:<InHisName> left
[14:47] <InHisName> In and out as I try things to get clear.com to work well as ISP to replace comcast.
[14:47] <mn2010> Stupid Midori, you would think after 3 years they could add WebGL to Webkit+
[14:47] <mn2010> LMAO~! i used to work for Clearwire
[14:49] <mn2010> Dont expect much, we did stateful packet injection to prefer TCP Headers containing Windows-NT/IE7... they hated everything to do with OpenSource... You have no idea how many times i got into arguemetns with Tier3 trying to get them to loosen up on stateful-QoS
[14:51] <InHisName> No, I see that the 6Megs down & 1Meg up is really -> 1.2 to 5.5megs & up is .23 to .65.     Then I can apply for network essentials.  Thanks to my foster child hanging around for at least a year+.
[14:54] <mn2010> Not to mention forget transmit stability. Go ahead and do a 3 minute ICMP Ping to test.clear.com
[14:55] <InHisName> is that different from a normal ping ?
[14:55] <JonathanD> I've personally had a rather good experience with clear.
[14:56] <mn2010> Honestly, i know nothing about Comcast, i live in upstate-pa, on the border from New York. Comcast is not Available here. Were Time-Warner territory.
[14:56] <InHisName> The WiMax has been steady.  However my NIC has issues trying to autonegotiate repeatedly into 10mbps& half-duplex, UGGGH
[14:57] <mn2010> No, ICMP is the protocol Ping uses(Well, technically you can specify that... with the service option)
[14:57] <InHisName> What does time warner charge for their lowest cost tier broadband ?
[14:57] <mn2010> $20/month
[14:57] <InHisName> What speed ? d/u ?
[14:58] <mn2010>  2.5m/1m   Top tier(local) is only $45/month
[14:58] <InHisName> for like 15/3 ?
[14:58] <mn2010> Turbo($45) is 15-25(Var)m/5-10(Var)m
[14:59] <JonathanD> we need google fiber.
[14:59] <mn2010> Agree :D
[14:59] <JonathanD> make sure you all sign up.
[14:59] <mn2010> Or them to roll out OC:3 at a decent pricepoint
[14:59] <JonathanD> heh
[15:00] <JonathanD> municipal owned last-mile would be nice.
[15:00] <InHisName> I think comcast says 16/3 for $49, but modem is $7, and there are taxes, and a $10 non tv customer fee. or Do basic for $9.98  ==> total nearly $70
[15:01] <mn2010> i paid $53.45/month with all fees a year ago, but i lived 35 miles from here then... different branch... same price point but we use a bussiness line here(shared) so im not sure on the price point
[15:02] <InHisName> mn2010: you were a clear customer or employee ?
[15:03] <mn2010> Employee
[15:03] <mn2010> They were still doing Roll-out in Rochester, NY when i worked for them.
[15:05] <mn2010> InHisName: Which Modem did they give you?
[15:07] <InHisName> They didn't give, they sold  and older 'home' clear modem with Wi-Fi for 1/2  ($49)   Then included a $100 visa debit card after 31 days can apply for it.    1st month & modem was $13 net.
[15:08] <InHisName> I coulda gotten the latest for same money but no visa card from direct phone or store.  Visa was online special only.
[15:10] <mn2010> better route then the renting method... but bad deal.... They were preparing to replace all previous Clearwire(Grandfathered accounts) with a brand New Cisco-Series 4g(WiMAX) Modem. It was alot more stable and had a 14dbi @ 104mw Antenna
[15:11] <InHisName> This modem is good enough for the 4 months.
[15:12] <mn2010> i started in Tier1 tech/Billing, only issue with Referrer Sales is if anything hardware goes wrong they wont replace and the occasional 120days for a refund (No Service area sale)
[15:12] <mn2010> lol, yeah that i could see
[15:13] <InHisName> Mine was up to 30 days to refund it all.  That should cover early deaths.  The rest should be just fine.
[15:15] <mn2010> Clear will go up to 90days for a refund(You have to get Retention though to do it), they look at you're usage and if you were dissatisfied they will refund you up to 70%.
[15:19] <InHisName> There is a basic service with 3/0.5.    If I see 2.54down/.59 up with unlimited, Will basic cap at .47 or so with same conditions or will it be more like .09 ?
[15:21] <mn2010> im not going to try and give you a opposing qoute... the entire time i was there i never seen anyone get the throughput they were paying for and QoS made it even worse
[15:22] <mn2010> Unlimited would give you between 5-7mbps down and .79mbps - 1.33mbps up, max though... best i seen but that was a customer out of Austin, TX
[15:25] <mn2010> basic(2.5mbps) will cap you at 2.57mbps down(Hard-Limit), and upload was 0.33mbps(Hard-limit). its been 2 years since i worked for clear/clearwire but that was then.
[15:26] <InHisName> What I meant to ask was if unlimited was shared to low point of 2.54down/0.45up, will the basic be approx the same numbers or will clear abuse them much lower than the unlimited customers that are doing below the basic speeds.  I assume the tower is the speed bottleneck. Too many users online, yadda, yadda.
[15:27] <InHisName> They claim 0.5 for up for basic here.   1.0 for unlimted up.
[15:28] <mn2010> Well, You will never get even near the Cap with Basic anyways, The towers give Priority to Mac's of Unlimited and Grandfathered Subscribers
[15:29] <mn2010> But like i said, hard-cap was .33, .5 is the advertised speed.... you just have to test it per tower and keep a eye on those Signal lights...
[15:29] <mn2010> good GSM Signal amplifier goes a long way btw...
[15:29] <InHisName> Do 5 lights produce better speeds than 3 lights ?  All other conditions the same.
[15:30] <mn2010> OFCOURSE!
[15:31] <mn2010> 3 lights is 19-27% signal, -78.44dbm(Avg.)
[15:31] <mn2010> i know exactly which modem you have too... only one wimax series had a 5light indicator...
[15:32] <InHisName> config shows WIXFBR-117
[15:32] <InHisName> CINR 11db,   2 lights,   Hmmmmmm
[15:32] <mn2010> you have to realise, like any LOS wireless technology, Clear uses WiMAX(GSM) Technology. below40% youre packet dropping is near 65%
[15:35] <InHisName> what was that?
[15:36] <mn2010> sorry TOR dropped me for a sec, a bridge dropped my connection for some reason..
[15:36] <mn2010> i did say that dont go by the Modems Configuration page
[15:36] <InHisName> Hmmm, I out lasted someone for a change.
[15:36] <mn2010> Clear has a page that can monitor at the towers thats ALOT more accurate
[15:37] <InHisName> Can I go to it?
[15:37] <mn2010> No, you have to have a minimum of a Clear Tier1 Username
[15:37] <InHisName> help desk persons etc ?
[15:41] <mn2010> yes
[15:41] <InHisName> I had called customer support but got nowhere with this:   What is the LAN set to:?   100Mbps & full or automatic or ???
[15:41] <mn2010> sorry was trying to find my old training info. - Auto-sensing
[15:43] <InHisName> Boy that was fast answer.    He called level 2, and even called back to say no answer.  Time hour span.
[15:45] <InHisName> I've been having a lot of trouble with my NIC in keeping it locked to 100/full and not have it change gears. Found out I did not have good module that I thought to be setting.   Now with another card.  tulip driver.   I hope this one stays locked.
[15:47] <mn2010> just send a email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requesting Data from Clearsky. Tell them youre macid and make sure you send it from youre Clearwire/Clear email Address!
[15:48] <mn2010> ^thats what i was...
[15:49] <InHisName> macid ?
[15:50] <InHisName> I have a clear email addy?
[15:50] <mn2010> on the back of youre modem, there is a MAC#(Mac ID) that identifies the modem
[15:50] <mn2010><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:51] <InHisName> Since I already have the answer, now, what benefit is there to doing this ?
[15:51] <mn2010> if they give you a hard time or dont respond, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and tell them Level 2 is not responding. to warn you Level 2 is small and swamped it usually takes a while
[15:51] <mn2010> no point now, but its good for future usage
[15:51] <InHisName> Oh, Ok
[15:52] <mn2010> not to mention if you have DCOP issue others did with that modem, they can reset it instantly solving the issue without 2 hours on the phone with Level1
[15:52] <InHisName> what is that issue about ?
[15:53] <InHisName> or just define DCOP
[15:54] <mn2010> DCOP is simply put a issue with the firmware of 3 different models of modems.
[15:54] <mn2010> Basically put, the firmware would lock the Tower-ID of one tower and stop auto-sensing/Switching between towers...
[15:55] <InHisName> Switching towers alot is a good benefit ?
[15:55] <mn2010> L3(Engineering) through a fit over it, thus the push to newer modems(Cisco)
[15:56] <mn2010> No, but Clear has outages like Bad gas. We had towers go down nightly and Alot of Conversions still going on.
[15:56] <InHisName> Oh, then some benefit for even stationary modems.
[15:57] <mn2010> not to mention, tower-load.... like i said, if a tower was overloaded and you're DCOP'ed youre modem would sit in a loop trying to connect to the same tower... Its similiar to having a outdated PRL...
[15:58] <mn2010> Absolutely, BTW NEVER USE THE TRAVEL MODEMS... there POS, Period... i probably replaced 1,400 or more during the time that i worked there. The Controller burns out on them and is beyond operational temperature in about 14 minutes... With the only exception being the Embedded one's.
[16:01] <InHisName> Good, then the one I got is good enough.   I almost went with stick.  But I wasn't sure how to use it with my linux box router, so I chickened out.
[16:02] <mn2010> good thing you did... you could only run it safely for about 40 minutes every 2 hours...
[16:02] <InHisName> anyone play with sheets of foil to enhance the reception, or is it not worth the bother ?
[16:03] <mn2010> No effect, it would probably reduce signal qaulity. Frequency is too-low for good effects..
[16:03] <InHisName> Hmm, never even saw that in customer comments in negative sections that I checked.  Amazon etc.
[16:03] <mn2010> on the other hand... if you know where youre tower is, you could Desolder the antenna and solder on a Type-B BNC connector and get or make a Cantenna.... They work great.
[16:04] <mn2010> You usually Dont, you will all over youtube though..
[16:08] <InHisName> It dropped another db in CINR.    I'm off to move modem to see if I can find better spot.
[16:19] <mn2010> suggest near windows, avoid electrical outlets, Microwaves, 220v AC equipment, Speakers and primary building studs(as they ground)
[16:20] <InHisName> How about in attic ?  or is temps too extreme ?
[16:21] <mn2010> it depends... whats the temperature's in youre attic
[16:22] <InHisName> Summer?  <140 usually,  Now ?   <115, mostly 45-99
[16:22] <mn2010> should never run the modem in temperatures about abient 94.7*F for extended periods of time
[16:22] <mn2010> ambient* rather...
[16:23] <InHisName> Ok, keep out of attic then
[16:24] <mn2010> honestly if it didnt get that hot it be perfect.
[17:27] <mn2010> Why is Libnotify being as dumb as possible today
[18:24] <InHisName> mn2010: I got a new location for modem, the rear of a walkin closet.  5 lights, WiMAX CINR 22db, RSSI -72dbm
[18:25] <InHisName> My upload is best ever, 0.95 Mbps
[18:25] <mn2010> :D! Verify it!, make sure its a stable connection. There is false-positives with Interference. But if not Congrats!
[18:25] <mn2010> ^well i guess its been verfied lol
[18:25] <mn2010> But congrats! :D
[18:25] <InHisName> The download is pretty disappointing but prolly 'cause the tower is sharing with too many.  2.105Mbps
[18:26] <InHisName> latency quicker 62ms instead of ~99ms
[18:27] <InHisName> Dl better now, lunch crowd gone back to work --> 3.95
[18:27] <InHisName> Upl same 0.95
[18:28] <InHisName> Now to test the VoIP phone for clarity.   Will someone volunteer an number to tell me how clear I sound.  0.95 upload is limiting factor.   PM number if you wish.
[18:44] <mn2010> VoIP or Sip?
[19:01] <InHisName> yes for me.  I just need someone to listen to my outgoing speaking to see if 0.95 is plenty to work great with. Old fashioned line or cell are ok.
[20:19] <mn2010> Im assuming nickserv is back?
[20:22] <mn2010> !ping
[20:25] <mn2010> !ping?
[20:26] <pleia2> it was only down for a couple minutes
[20:36] <mn2010> well i seen a notice in the earlier log... Radeon/ATI (Open Source Driver) doesnt support fan controls so my videocard decided to overheat....
[20:38] <mn2010> brb again... fan troubles


[13:05] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Install desktop-provision/whitelabel.yaml for the new ubuntu-desktop-… @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/9b499d94fc0f74233b23ac26787c663d7eb3500e (by bluesabre)
[13:08] <bluesabre> Signs of life... desktop and minimal both successfully built today with with the new installer. We're waiting on a new build of the installer, expected Monday, to maybe have everything working on Tuesday!
[13:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Release xubuntu-default-settings 24.04.0 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/d4882c0fdf5e81dd2b800ea0247a8a7e5f57d492 (by bluesabre)
[21:10] <JackFrost> I'll discard the failure mail then.


[11:07] <tseliot> mamarley, ricotz: just FYI I'm packaging on 364.16
[11:08] <tseliot> https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver
[11:19] <ricotz> tseliot, hi, there is no armhf?
[11:20] <tseliot> ricotz: apparently not. I'll put the driver in the vulkan PPA
[11:20] <ricotz> tseliot, ok
[11:21] <ricotz> tseliot, note the disabled kms change
[11:22] <tseliot> ricotz: what change?
[11:22] <tseliot> oh Disable KMS by default again.  It was still causing problems for some users.
[11:23] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: I would like to know more about the regressions with KMS, so that I can file a bug report and have the problem fixed by NVIDIA
[11:52] <mamarley> darkxst: ^
[11:55] <darkxst> tseliot, it was crashing in cogl_framebuffer_create or so, I will grab a stacktrace next time I reboot
[11:56] <tseliot> darkxst: yes, please. Also, if you have a small code sample to reproduce the problem, that will certainly help
[11:57] <tseliot> darkxst: that and your nvidia-bug-report.log
[12:02] <darkxst> tseliot, ok, might be a few days, but will get it to you
[12:55] <tseliot> darkxst: ok, thanks