 "Is there any setting that..." <- I made a little script you can run to achieve this:
[17:16] <konstantin_unru4> https://github.com/FreaxMATE/cursory
[17:17] <konstantin_unru4> However it is just experimental and wastes a heck of resources :D


[05:27] <ojwb> the warehouse sell some odd things: http://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/red/catalog/product/Number-Field-Sieve-and-CDMA-Sequences?SKU=10309783844391237
[05:30] <G> wow, must be part of their Quality products mantra they have now
[05:33] <G> some dubious ones there too, but to their credit, their hardware section is interesting, a few RPi books on the first page of results
[21:07] <kieppie> hi
[21:08] <kieppie> just checking in because of: http://community.ubuntu.com/
[23:27] <olly_> morning
[23:47] <kieppie1> hi


[15:33] <mew_> Whenever i boot up i get an error like : Firmware bug in the ACPI region etc. radeon_ring 0 already present. My laptop is almost 10 years old. Is there a fix for this?
[15:45] <gnrp> mew_: What is the issue though?
[15:45] <gnrp> just the error report?
[15:54] <mew_> Well i actually migrated from pop os and this report was there. a few days later my wifi stopped working
[15:54] <mew_> It worked sometimes , sometimes it just said wifi adapter not found
[15:54] <gnrp> it is an issue that relates to the GPU though. I don't think it is related to wifi
[15:55] <mew_> Alright but is it okay to leave it as it is?
[15:55] <gnrp> when the wifi adaptor is not found, you can ask for help, btw, sure
[15:55] <gnrp> yes, I would say just ignore it^^
[15:56] <mew_> alright. thanks for helping out


[19:40] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:10] <olly_> morning
[20:45] <hads> morning
[21:07] <chilts> morning
[21:07] <chilts> Monday, errgh!
[21:07] <chilts> ibeardslee: Good luck with the academy!


[12:03] <Kamion> IME you don't need to separate them
[12:04] <Akatemik> Hmm, might be since everything is still under powerpc
[12:04] <seb128> is there any buildd master to push a rhythmbox retry?
[12:04] <Kamion> are you sure you caught all the reference?
[12:04] <Kamion> references
[12:04] <Akatemik> grep install * turns up nothing in the i-ppc folder
[12:05] <ogra> Akatemik, are you serious about xdm ? xdm is buggy afaik...
[12:05] <Akatemik> ogra: Yes, there's no room for kdm
[12:05] <Kamion> anyway, the bootloader configuration would definitely be what I'd double-check
[12:05] <ogra> hmm... probably switching to login app or wdm would help ...
[12:06] <Akatemik> Agreed, but can't find anything wrong with it
[12:06] <ogra> me neither, else i'd have fixed it before release :)
[12:07] <Akatemik> Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411506
[12:07] <ogra> i was looking at it shortly before release ... dunno if fabbiones last upload fixed it ... he did an upload one or two days before release
[12:08] <Akatemik> ogra: Umm?
[12:08] <Akatemik> ogra: You mean breezy's yaboot.conf isn't supposed to work?
[12:08] <Kamion> Akatemik: he's talking about xdm
[12:08] <Akatemik> Ah
[12:08] <ogra> Akatemik, i only talk about xdm
[12:09] <Akatemik> ogra: I was agreeing to Kamion
[12:09] <ogra> oh, ok...
[12:09] <Kamion> Akatemik: is that line wrap between lines 32 and 33 really there?
[12:09] <tseng> \sh: there can only be one sh!
[12:09] <Akatemik> Kamion: No
[12:10] <\sh> tseng: hmmm
[12:10] <Kamion> Akatemik: presumably you adjusted the -hfs-bless argument to mkisofs
[12:10] <Akatemik> Kamion: Yes
[12:10] <tseng> \sh: soren hansen
[12:10] <\sh> tseng: give me a short summary
[12:10] <\sh> tseng: i don't get it now...just because i'm somewhat tired
[12:10] <tseng> \sh: he is on dapper-changes right before your last upload
[12:11] <Akatemik> Kamion: http://pastebin.com/411510
[12:11] <Akatemik> That's the script I use to regenerate the iso image
[12:11] <tseng> \sh: if you didnt get it yet, any humor is gone
[12:11] <tseng> sorry
[12:11] <\sh> tseng: sry..
[12:12] <Akatemik> Kamion: I doubt it would even get a kernel panic without the bless, it wouldn't even get to yaboot.
[12:12] <CarlFK> Kamion - what do you call stable and testing?  (if not stable and testing)
[12:12] <Kamion> Akatemik: indeed
[12:13] <Kamion> CarlFK: we don't
[12:15] <CarlFK> Kamion - that cant be ;)
[12:15] <CarlFK> what would you call breezy before and after it was released?
[12:15] <crimsun> 5.10
[12:16] <\sh> after release 5.10
[12:16] <CarlFK> lol
[12:16] <\sh> before release easily breezy
[12:16] <Akatemik> CarlFK: Lemme guess, a debian user :?
[12:17] <CarlFK> nope.  never did deb, but once I started using Ubuntu I did kidna get exposed to some debisims
[12:18] <CarlFK> Im trying to make my PXE boot menu have 2 sections: one for stable/current/real/useme and one for testing/beta/risky/danger
[12:19] <Kamion> CarlFK: breezy before release, breezy or 5.10 after release
[12:19] <Kamion> Akatemik: I'm out of ideas for now I'm afraid; it does look ok
[12:19] <bob2> smeg is obsolete now?
[12:20] <Kamion> I'd have to look at the box myself to help much further
[12:20] <sivang> whois bob2
[12:20] <CarlFK> grr - Im about to call my 2 sections before and after - noone wlll have a clue what they refer to
[12:20] <Kamion> CarlFK: I think if you used "stable" and "unstable" most people would understand what you were referring to
[12:20] <CarlFK> myself included...
[12:20] <bob2> sivang: 1024D/1E73B7CD
[12:20] <Kamion> "testing" would be confusing since we don't have any process similar to the one that generates Debian testing
[12:21] <CarlFK> Kamion - thats all I was looking for.  a pair of terms that was "blessed"
[12:21] <Kamion> they're not blessed as such, but due to our Debian heritage they'll more or less be understood
[12:22] <Kamion> we don't use "stable" because we have multiple stable releases at any one time
[12:22] <Q-FUNK> jbailey: happy birthday! :)
[12:24] <jbailey> Q-FUNK: Thanks!
[12:25] <azeem> jbailey: hey, from me, too
[12:25] <jbailey> Thanks Michael =)
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> jbailey: you guys go to cafe campus or foufounes and have fun.  I'll tag along in spirit :)
[12:26] <jbailey> Mmmm spirits.
[12:26] <sivang> jbailey: happy birthday from here as well :)
[12:26] <jbailey> =)
[12:27] <CarlFK> someday I am going to make the virtual cake machine...
[12:29] <Akatemik> Kamion: Well, thanks anyway :/
[12:29] <Akatemik> Kamion: Note that I didn't use all the args with mkisofs as given in the doc
[12:30] <Akatemik> There were multiple howtos for ppc, so it is kind of a union
[12:30] <\sh> fabbione: slept well?
[12:30] <fabbione> \sh: yeah
[12:31] <\sh> fabbione: lucky man :)
[12:31] <fabbione> is jbailey anywhere around
[12:31] <fabbione> ?
[12:31] <CarlFK> fabbione - he is eating his birthday cake ;)
[12:32] <fabbione> ah ok
[12:32] <fabbione> is everybody still downstair?
[12:33] <ajmitch> jbailey is still sitting here
[12:33] <\sh> not me...laying naked on the bed and trying to relax
[12:33] <fabbione> ajmitch: here as in s1?
[12:33] <ajmitch> yes
[12:33] <fabbione> ok thanks
[12:33] <fabbione> catch you soon down there
[12:34] <tseng> you guys are already done for the day?
[12:34] <Kamion> Akatemik: I'm unconvinced by the second one on LiveCDCustomizationHowTo; it uses a lot of dubious options
[12:34] <ajmitch> tseng: yes, love day was short
[12:34] <Akatemik> Kamion: Agreed
[12:34] <Kamion> the first matches what we're using on the current CDs, with the exception of CHRP stuff (-chrp-boot -l)
[12:35] <Akatemik> Kamion: However it claims that the first one does not boot
[12:35] <Kamion> and some sorting weight stuff which isn't important for bootability]
[12:35] <Kamion> Akatemik: with no information about the machine type on which it didn't boot
[12:35] <Akatemik> Kamion: Umm, the first one does not have the -chrp-boot...
[12:35] <Kamion> if it was a CHRP, then indeed ...
[12:35] <Kamion> Akatemik: indeed, but that doesn't matter on an iBook
[12:36] <Akatemik> Kamion: I couldn't even find that option in mkisofs
[12:37] <Akatemik> Kamion: Hmm, I wonder if I should try to make a pure ppc-livecd first and see how to make that work.
[12:38] <Kamion> $ mkisofs --help 2>&1 | grep chrp
[12:38] <Kamion>   -chrp-boot                  Add CHRP boot header
[12:38] <Akatemik> Oh great, --help is more current than manpages...
[12:38] <Akatemik> So unheard of coming from obsd side :/
[12:39] <Kamion> ah, yeah, seems not to be in the man page, that's a bug
[12:39] <Kamion> it would certainly be worth trying a trivial remaster (i.e. no changes) of the powerpc live CD as a control
[12:41] <Akatemik> Kamion: So the first command in the howto is what you use on official lives for ppc?
[12:43] <Kamion> it was at the time; I don't think the changes since then should be required for iBooks
[12:43] <Akatemik> Kamion: Do you have the makefiles/scripts somewhere on a cvs or is it just something that someone does on their own computer?
[12:43] <Kamion> all we've added since has been -chrp-boot -iso-level 2
[12:46] <Kamion> it's in arch<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:46] <Kamion> but trust me, you really don't want to use debian-cd unless you have to; it's very complicated to operate
[12:47] <Kamion> I have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to wrap it, but even then it's hard to set up
[12:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: in my CFT
[12:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: oh and I need to get bzr installed on little first
[12:47] <Keybuk> CFT?
[12:47] <Kamion> copious free time
[12:48] <Keybuk> maybe you should get mdz to do it, now he has all that free time from not approving specs
[12:48] <Kamion> heh
[12:51] <Kamion> (since it recently built on sparc, so it was probably just waiting for libparted1.6-13)
[12:55] <the--dud> does anyone know who's in charge of the server distro of ubuntu?
[12:56] <the--dud> of/for/in
[12:56] <the--dud> something hehe
[12:56] <tseng> its just a seperate install cd
[12:56] <tseng> different set of packages in the cd image
[12:56] <tseng> all the usual suspects are responsible
[12:57] <the--dud> okies
[12:58] <Akatemik> Hmm, ubuntu as a server
[01:00] <bob2> branding them as different things really lead to a lot of confusion
[01:51] <dan_> hello
[01:51] <the--dud> hi dan
[01:51] <dan_> i need some help finding sound drivers for my motherboard. can you help?
[01:51] <the--dud> perhaps, I could try
[01:52] <the--dud> I dunno if -devel is the place to ask, but go ahead
[01:52] <dan_> its a elitegroup 741gx-m
[01:52] <dan_> the elitegroup website has the drivers on there but their for windows
[01:53] <bob2> #ubuntu is the place to ask
[01:53] <the--dud> hmm, let me try to figure out which chipset it uses
[01:53] <bob2> also, you'll need to find out what chipset it has, if you don't know already
[01:54] <dan_> i dont
[01:54] <the--dud> "AMD-based motherboard using SiS 741GX and SiS964L chipsets"
[01:54] <bob2> anyway, #ubuntu, not here
[02:07] <CarlFK> tweeking my cron scrips and wondering: is there a daily dapper dir yet? (dont shoot me)
[02:22] <mxpxpod> can someone help me debug a problem I'm having with gksudo?
[02:24] <mxpxpod> I'm getting a corrupted double linked list error when I use the --message option and specify a full path to an executable
[02:38] <Amaranth> congrats mjg59
[02:38] <Lathiat> did he get elected or something?
[02:38] <tseng> yes
[02:39] <bob2> Amaranth: is the alacarte debian source available anywhere?
[02:40] <Amaranth> bob2: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/deb-src
[02:40] <Amaranth> bob2: but seb128 had some issues with the current packaging
[02:40] <Amaranth> it's basically a good package for breezy users but for dapper i need to change some things
[02:40] <bob2> yeah, I itp'd it for debian...might just go from scratch then
[02:40] <Amaranth> well, it's just the mv in rules and the symlinks that he didn't like
[02:41] <Amaranth> and that i made a new package instead of working off the smeg one
[02:41] <bob2> hah
[02:41] <bob2> at least you remembered to Replace it ;p
[02:42] <Amaranth> Replaces, Provides, Conflicts
[02:42] <Amaranth> so it would cleanly replace smeg in breezy and not remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <bob2> haha
[02:53] <bob2> there's a SMEG entry in wikipedia
[02:54] <Amaranth> cool, but incorrect
[02:54] <Amaranth> i'm in there too
[02:54] <Amaranth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Watkins
[03:02] <Amaranth> hey mpt
[03:05] <mpt> hi Amaranth
[03:06] <Amaranth> don't suppose you've ever played with alacarte :)
[03:17] <mpt> alacarte
[03:17] <mpt> the name is familiar
[03:17] <mpt> It's the new name for something, isn't it
[03:17] <mpt> ah, the menu editor
[03:18] <mpt> no, not yet
[03:21] <Amaranth> i thought maybe you could give it a spin so i could claim to have some UI testing for 0.9 ;)
[03:22] <mpt> okie
[03:22] <mpt> but not tonight
[03:22] <the--dud> Amaranth, url?
[03:22] <Amaranth> i'm hoping i can release 0.9 in two weeks, sit on it for 3-4 weeks collecting bug reports and translations, then have 1.0 for dapper :)
[03:22] <Amaranth> mpt: that's fine, no hurry
[03:22] <Amaranth> the--dud: http://dev.realistanew.com/alacarte/releases/0.8/
[03:24] <mpt> I've got to get lots of sleep in preparation for being triple-booked in the first BoF session tomorrow
[03:25] <Amaranth> what is the first session?
[03:25] <mpt> it's, like, everything
[03:25] <Amaranth> oh, it's a bunch running at once?
[03:26] <mpt> well, there's the keynote and then there's the process walkthrough
[03:26] <mpt> and then there's the carnage
[03:26] <mpt> I'll be at UbuntuExpress by executive order
[03:26] <Amaranth> boo
[03:27] <mpt> boo?
[03:27] <Amaranth> gtk frontend to d-i is a much better plan
[03:27] <mpt> how so?
[03:27] <Lathiat> Amaranth: no its for a different target
[03:27] <the--dud> I get an import error, but I'm still running hoary btw
[03:27] <Lathiat> Amaranth: its to install off the live cd, explicitly
[03:27] <Lathiat> not to make a better installer frontend
[03:27] <mpt> My girlfriend is bitching at me about Ubuntu's non-graphical install
[03:27] <the--dud> nice python coding also
[03:28] <mpt> (figuratively speaking)
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: the code is horrid
[03:28] <the--dud> mpt, kick her in the head hehe
[03:28] <the--dud> Amaranth, :p
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: I blame GTK+.
[03:28] <farruinn> mpt: so that's why ubuntu is making the change? ;)
[03:28] <the--dud> anyway, its missing a module
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: It's the "in" thing to do.
[03:28] <mpt> She says the Ubuntu partitioning is worse than the entire Gentoo installation process
[03:28] <mpt> (she was on Gentoo previously)
[03:28] <Amaranth> the--dud: No it's not, you are. :) hoary isn't supported
[03:28] <Lathiat> the suse installer is quite nice
[03:28] <Lathiat> overall
[03:28] <farruinn> partitioning is really the only difficult part, a graphical installer should help tremendously I think
[03:29] <Lathiat> also the suse boot process is pretty
[03:29] <Amaranth> bleh
[03:29] <Amaranth> i like ours better than a hack to run an X server right away like that
[03:29] <mpt> Anyone got a Suse install disc lying around?
[03:29] <the--dud> Amaranth, checked out http://primates.ximian.com/~sandino/python-glade/ btw? I found it quite excellent to work with
[03:29] <Lathiat> the x server isnt run right away
[03:29] <Lathiat> its vesafb i think
[03:29] <farruinn> Lathiat: never used suse, but I was very impressed with usplash the first time I booted breezy!
[03:29] <Lathiat> fedora uses the xserver mid-0boot
[03:29] <Amaranth> and the boot server takes over acpi stuff so the regular running server doesn't get access to it
[03:29] <the--dud> much cleaner code, without all the retardedness of the pygtk
[03:30] <Amaranth> the--dud: It's not clean _at all_.
[03:30] <Amaranth> the--dud: It pollutes my namespace with all the junk from the glade file.
[03:30] <mpt> farruinn, yeah, and I have personal motivation to be involved in the design
[03:30] <the--dud> well, I've only just look briefly at it... you might be right
[03:31] <Lathiat> Amaranth: glade file isnt supposed to have junk? :)
[03:31] <Amaranth> Lathiat: I don't name widgets I don't interact with.
[03:31] <Amaranth> Lathiat: They get default names.
[03:31] <Amaranth> boxes and bonobo containers and such
[03:54] <bur[n] er> is there a Dapper wishlist for users to post something to?  I just want to vent an idea about using tightvnc with vino and maybe even adding support for the tightvnc file transfer
[03:54] <zakame> hi all
[04:07] <wasabi> In bash. Trying to figure out if a string contains another substring.
[04:08] <Keybuk> in bash [[ string = "*substring*" ] ]
[04:09] <wasabi> ahh
[04:09] <Keybuk> iirc
[04:10] <Keybuk> it might need == and or =~ or something
[04:10] <Keybuk> anyway, bed
[04:23] <jdub> wow, 905 votes on dragon vs. duck, and they're at NECK AND NECK
[04:23] <jdub> s/at //
[04:23] <Kamion> wasabi: case $string in *substring*) stuff; more stuff ;; esac
[04:23] <Kamion> (portable sh)
[04:23] <Kamion> Amaranth: hoary is supported
[04:24] <Amaranth> Kamion: Not by alacarte.
[04:24] <Kamion> oh, I see
[04:24] <Kamion> missed the context, sorry
[04:27] <robitaille> jdub,   neck to neck?  45 votes between the 2.  It's close, but not that close :)
[04:27] <jdub> robitaille: percentage wise though ;)
[04:28] <Amaranth> the duck will get us laughed at, the dragon will get use KDE references
[04:28] <wasabi> Okay. dpkg-divert question now. My package, during it's postinst, is auto generating new /etc/pam.d/common-* files. So, I want to move the old out of the wya.
[04:29] <Amaranth> "they have a dragon for a logo but don't use KDE? wtf"
[04:29] <wasabi> Proper way to do this... I'm using --divert --rename from orig to orig.dpkg-$pkgname
[04:29] <Kamion> you can't divert conffiles, it doesn't work
[04:29] <wasabi> Is that appropiate?
[04:29] <wasabi> Oh?
[04:29] <wasabi> Hmm.
[04:29] <Kamion> oh, and in fact they're configuration files not conffiles
[04:29] <Kamion> diversions work even less well on those
[04:29] <wasabi> Heh.
[04:30] <wasabi> Okay, so I should manually back them up.
[04:30] <Kamion> changing /etc/pam.d/common-* from a package other than libpam-runtime is really pretty wrong
[04:30] <Kamion> unless it's a local-use package only
[04:30] <wasabi> Define local-use?
[04:31] <Kamion> never intended to be uploaded to a distribution
[04:31] <wasabi> Ahh.
[04:31] <wasabi> Darn. =(
[04:31] <wasabi> So what's the appropiate way to do this. I am trying to create a configuration program for krb5 and ldap.
[04:31] <Kamion> oh, if it's a *program* doing it, not package maintainer scripts, that's ok
[04:31] <jdub> night all
[04:31] <Kamion> that counts as sysadmin action
[04:32] <wasabi> Ahh, I should move this to a program then.
[04:32] <wasabi> Makes sense.
[04:32] <Kamion> package maintainer scripts generally aren't allowed to do that sort of thing because it's way too easy for packages to get installed for one reason or another
[04:32] <wasabi> Yeah.
[04:32] <wasabi> Last question for a bit. I have a file that has @FOO@ in it. I want to replace @FOO@ in that file with the contents of another file.
[04:32] <wasabi> Including line feeds.
[04:33] <Kamion> then you can just back them up to a name of your choice (not .dpkg-*)
[04:33] <wasabi> One thing I'm concerned about is that I don't want the libpam-runtime postinst to attempt to replace the user's files on the next install.
[04:33] <wasabi> Especially to ask for the diff.
[04:33] <wasabi> Because it won't make sense to the target user group at all.
[04:34] <Kamion> perl -pi -e 'BEGIN { open OTHERFILE, "otherfile" or die "open otherfile"; undef $/; $otherfile = <OTHERFILE>; chomp $otherfile; close OTHERFILE } s/@FOO@/$otherfile/g' file
[04:34] <Kamion> or something like that
[04:35] <wasabi> Fun.
[04:35] <Kamion> if you look at libpam-runtime.postinst, it actually only copies in the templates on a fresh install
[04:35] <Kamion> it doesn't do any diffing
[04:36] <wasabi> Ahh. Didn't know that. My mistake.
[04:36] <Kamion> well, no, it also updates the files if they're unmodified
[04:36] <wasabi> Ahh but it detects modification.
[04:36] <Kamion> but, either way, it should suit your purposes
[04:53] <robitaille> jdub,  ping
[05:46] <bob2> who is "charles-ubuntu"?
[05:47] <bob2> and shouldn't people in the "Ubuntu Core Development Team" have some link to their real identity on launchpad?
[06:03] <Lathiat> daniels: woo dude, that mesa update fixed nvidia gl on my laptop
[06:03] <Lathiat> daniels: thankkyouuuuuuuuuuu
[06:03] <Lathiat> :)
[06:09] <mdke> it's about 24 hours that I've been seing this: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[06:10] <mdke> no one else sees it?
[06:10] <bob2> why is bzip2 trying to unpack a .gz?
[06:11] <Lathiat> daniels: hrm, it also fixed a missing function
[06:11] <Lathiat> daniels: nice
[06:11] <mdke> bob2, I don't know
[06:13] <infinity> bob2 : It's not, apt just sucks at error messages.
[06:14] <mdke> i did a dpkg-reconfigure on apt, still the same message
[06:14] <infinity> IIRC, that Packages.gz string is hardcoded and reused for all "compressed Packages files"
[06:14] <mdke> any idea what is the problem?
[06:15] <infinity> mdke : rm /var/lib/apt/lists/sec* && apt-get update
[06:15] <infinity> Do you still get the message?
[06:15] <mdke> infinity, yes
[06:15] <Mez|Away> lo infinity :D
[06:16] <Mez|Away> infinity, do you have access to create breezy-backports so it doesnt 404
[06:17] <infinity> Nope.
[06:17] <mdke> infinity, is it a problem with the archive online?
[06:17] <mdke> Mez|Away, that really needs to get sorted, it's the hugest bug ever
[06:19] <infinity> mdke : I dunno dude, it Works For Me.
[06:19] <mdke> :(
[06:19] <infinity> Mez|Away : You get to bug elmo for that one, not me.
[06:20] <mdke> infinity, is there just one security archive?
[06:21] <infinity> Yes, only one host serves security.
[06:21] <mdke> hmm
[06:21] <mdke> odd
[06:21] <mdke> only universe gives me a problem
[06:23] <bob2> infinity: hah
[07:05] <jsgotangco> Riddell: awake?
[08:20] <zakame> heya all
[08:22] <zakame> wb zyga
[08:22] <zyga> zakame: hello :-)
[08:23] <zyga> how to efficiently talk to upstream?
[08:23] <zyga> any upstream in general
[08:23] <zakame> zyga: hang out at upstream's irc, if any? :)
[08:25] <zyga> zakame: yesterday I had a conversation on #freedesktop and it was less than optimistic
[08:26] <zakame> zyga: awww.. what' it about?
[08:26] <zyga> zakame: I asked about any preferences for the 'gettext domain' key for .desktop files
[08:26] <zyga> zakame: I was strongly suggested not to do it ;-)
[08:27] <zyga> after explaining my reasoning I was urged to fix dpkg ;-)
[08:29] <zakame> hmmm... how would dpkg be fixed? any breakage to be expected?
[08:30] <zyga> zakame: it cannot handle subpackages, like if we wanted to have about 50 sub-packages with translations for each normal package
[08:32] <zakame> hmmm, that's a lot of subpackages
[08:33] <zyga> yeah
[08:34] <zyga> anyway I was told to go and learn about packaging (which could be a good idea *anyway*, but the feeling was less than plesuralbe)
[08:38] <zakame> well, implementing subpackages for dpkg would entail a new package format iirc, though I'm not intimate with dpkg/deb's internals
[08:40] <zyga> zakame: it definitly would and I don't think that's a good idea
[08:46] <zakame> hmmm...
[09:03] <zakame> hmmm, libmecache isn't packaged yet, even in debian... only libmemcached for perl is...
[09:13] <zakame> bye all, later
[10:06] <ukh> I'm not an Ubuntu user, but I really want to contribute a patch on the Malone page.  What is the correct way to do that?  Or is there any kind of mail interface like with the BTS?
[10:08] <blueyed_> ukh: I think you can attach it there, can't you?
[10:09] <ukh> no, I just have a web interface allowing me to *paste*
[10:10] <ukh> (I would take this over the BTS, but the debian maintainer isn't very cooperative, so it's really no use going via the BTS)
[10:10] <rafl> elmo: ping
[10:12] <ukh> blueyed_: and 156 lines of line-wrapped diff won't make anyone happy...
[10:14] <rafl> elmo: It's a bit unrelated, but I only knew I can find you here. You created my @debian.org account yesterday, but I still did not get the mail. Could you please resend it?
[10:17] <spayne> talking of debian.org emails, how do i get a @ubuntu.com email?
[10:17] <bob2> by becoming a member
[10:17] <zyga_desktop> spayne, become a member
[10:17] <bob2> or working for canonical
[10:17] <bob2> both ways lead to stupid amounts of spam
[10:17] <bob2> so I'd not recommend publicising it if you have one
[10:18] <spayne> zyga_desktop: i am a member!
[10:18] <spayne> bob2: i am a member!
[10:18] <bob2> maybe you already have it then
[10:18] <spayne> is it a redirect?
[10:19] <spayne> bob2: my launchpad page doesn't say i'm a member yet - does that make any difference?
[10:19] <bob2> I'd assume so
[10:19] <bob2> yes, it's a forward
[10:20] <spayne> well, i'll just have to wait until a CC member adds me
[10:24] <ukh> OK, let's turn it around.  Is there a way to mail a specific Malone member?   I'm not an ubuntu user, just a frustrated debian user.  what *is* MOTU?
[10:26] <spayne> Master of the Universe
[10:26] <bob2> masters of the universe
[10:27] <spayne> a Ubuntu Develop who has full upload rights to the archives
[10:27] <bob2> the people who maintain all the packages in the universe section of the ubuntu archive
[10:27] <bob2> spayne: no
[10:27] <bob2> being able to upload to universe has a much lower bar than uploading to main
[10:27] <spayne> bob2, can a MOTU upload to main?
[10:27] <bob2> no
[10:28] <bob2> some people in MOTU can upload to main, but in general, no
[10:28] <ukh> oh well.  I'll mail it to the Ubuntu people on to of the debian/changelog and leave it at that.  :-/
[10:28] <bob2> which is good, or else all of essential: yes would build-dep on cdbs and dpatch ;p
[01:20] <pef> hello
[01:35] <Akatemik> Where could I find the documentation of the home page for project casper?
[01:35] <Akatemik> Unfortunately it is such a common name, that google doesn't give useful results.
[01:38] <the--dud> www.google.com/linux
[01:38] <the--dud> try that :)
[01:44] <Akatemik> the--dud: Nope. Neither does "casber ubuntu" find anything relevant, it is only meantioned in the bootloaders
[01:44] <Akatemik> s/casber/casper
[01:55] <mpt> ukh, there's an "Add Attachment" link hidden in the box at the top right
[01:57] <ukh> mpt: ha!  that was very well hidden!  thanks!
[01:58] <ivoks> khm..
[01:59] <ivoks> problems with ubuntu lists
[02:12] <Kamion> Akatemik: I don't believe it has a home page
[02:13] <Kamion> it's all in the source package
[02:27] <zakame> hmm, if a source tarball is a .bz2, do I have to repackage it as .gz, or keep it as it is?
[02:57] <Mez> elmo: ping
[02:57] <Mez> (i cant be bothered to walk to the other side of the room)
[02:59] <Mez> elmo: I dont know whats up, but I dont seem to be able to upload anymore
[03:03] <Znarl> mez : Can I help?  What error message are you getting?
[03:04] <Mez> Znarl: I'm just not getting anything back from katie, nothings ngesgoing to dapper-cha
[03:04] <Mez> seems as if it's being silently discarded
[03:06] <Znarl> Mez : ok, I can't help.  Have to wait for elmo to appear.  Sorry.
[03:08] <Kamion> Mez: what package?
[03:09] <Mez> Kamion, vrm
[03:09] <Mez> s/vrm/vrms/
[03:09] <Kamion> Mez: Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'.
[03:09] <Mez> ah... lol
[03:09] <Mez> shouldnt katie email me about that?
[03:10] <Kamion> should've done, yeah
[03:10] <Mez> nothing back from katie :D
[03:10] <Mez> something to do with the @ubuntu.com emails?
[03:10] <Kamion> can't help you there
[03:14] <Mez> lets see if it works now
[03:20] <seb128> infinity, lamont: could you give a retry to evolution / rhythmbox builds ?
[03:22] <spayne> how is it going at Montreal?
[03:24] <zakame> wb \sh
[03:32] <lamont> seb128: done
[03:32] <seb128> lamont: thanks
[03:53] <mdz> zul: the schedule for today is long since finalized
[03:59] <zul> ok thanks anyways
[04:24] <carl> i found a non-critical bug in gparted - what should I do?
[04:24] <carl> like where do I post
[04:25] <Burgundavia> carl, bugzilla
[04:25] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <jbailey> Wow, gparted is in main?
[04:26] <Kamion> yes
[04:26] <ogra> jbailey, yup, for express and the liveCd
[04:26] <Kamion> for ubuntu-express
[04:26] <mdz> zul: there will be further sessions, though; I'll see what can be done within scheduling constraints
[04:27] <mdz> zul: but we can't push all kernel-related things to the end of the summit; we wouldn't get through what we need to discuss
[04:33] <carl> does gparted have some sort of -v or log option so I can cut/paste instead of describing the GUI?
[04:34] <dholbach> carl: no, not really
[05:00] <wasabi_> So like, I really want to use Debconf, from a stand alone app.
[05:00] <wasabi_> Is that wise?
[05:01] <vbgunz> wasabi_: not a support channel... I think we just stay in here waiting for a dev to leak something... not sure :P
[05:02] <wasabi_> Not really a support question. ;)
[05:06] <vbgunz> wasabi_: hehe... :P
[05:19] <Akatemik> Is there yet debootstrap fro dapper?
[05:37] <carl> is there a way to see the last 10 bugzilla posts?
[05:38] <carl> nm - found it
[05:38] <carl> search between -1d and now
[05:43] <giskard> hello
[05:45] <giskard> i'm wodering if mako is still working for ubuntu
[05:45] <Treenaks> no
[05:45] <jsgotangco> no
[05:45] <giskard> uhm
[05:45] <jsgotangco> he's at MIT media labs now
[05:45] <giskard> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[05:45] <giskard> Upon approval by the council, you will need to "sign" a copy of the Code of Conduct. This can be done in two ways:
[05:45] <giskard>    1. A cryptographic (GPG) signature on the text of the code itself sent to Benjamin Mako Hill
[05:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh right
[05:46] <jsgotangco> Mako is still with the Council
[05:46] <giskard> ah ok :)
[05:46] <giskard> thank you :)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> giskard: but now, you have to do that in launchpad
[05:49] <spayne> giskard: go to your launchpad page
[05:49] <spayne> giskard: and you will find it
[05:50] <daniels> bradb: hey hey hey
[05:50] <bradb> hey dudes
[05:50] <giskard> I do not want to become an ud, i have read the blog of a person who wanted to become  :)
[05:51] <giskard> thank you :) bye :)
[05:52] <carstenh> pitti: hi, i guess you hava already talked about the firewall spec at ubz. any news or something important for me?
[05:52] <pitti> carstenh: we haven't, we are just in the very first session
[05:53] <carstenh> ok, i will ask you again in some days :)
[05:56] <Kamion> Akatemik: there's been debootstrap for dapper since about an hour after I woke up the day after dapper opened
[05:59] <daniels> Kamion: which raises the question, why were you asleep?
[06:01] <jdub> mdz: ping
[06:28] <carl> what does the ubuntu installer use to shrink an NTFS partition?
[06:29] <carl> ntfsresize seems to shrink the fs, but not change the partition size
[06:30] <carl> and gparted is being "weird" which I posted to bugzilla, and would like something else to help figure out what is wrong with gparted
[06:50] <Kamion> daniels: oh, slacking, y'know
[06:50] <Kamion> carl: ntfsresize
[06:50] <Kamion> carl: and libparted to change the actual partition size
[06:52] <CarlFK> how can I find what depends on libparted?
[06:53] <dredg> apt-cache rdepends
[06:59] <zyga> awwwwwwwwwwwww
[06:59] <zyga> latest evolution update killed my contacts
[06:59] <zyga> did anyone notice this rather unfortunate event?
[07:01] <mdke> i didn't notice an evolution update of any kind
[07:01] <dholbach> zyga: me too - yay :)
[07:02] <zyga> dholbach: :-)
[07:02] <mdke> ah well if you're on dapper...
[07:02] <zyga> yeah ;-)
[07:03] <mdke> you can't complain
[07:03] <mdke> :)
[07:07] <zyga> mdke: I sure can complain but no-one will listen
[07:07] <zyga> mdke: would you complain if some script by 'accident' did rm -rf /
[07:08] <mdke> zyga, not if I was on dapper, no
[07:08] <mdke> i'd file a bug
[07:08] <mdke> and mark it very important
[07:09] <zyga> heh ;)
[07:16] <dieman> wow
[07:17] <dieman> the launchpad user profile stuff works really well
[07:17] <dieman> even account merging!
[07:19] <dieman> shoot
[07:19] <dieman> my wikiname is messed up now i think
[07:20] <dieman> ahh
[07:20] <dieman> there we go
[07:20] <dieman> fixed it
[07:25] <daniels> fabbione: xdm should be generally fixed now
[08:00] <cas> Hi, A simple question but I couldn't find it. Is there a reason why ivman isn't included in the base install?
[08:07] <Akatemik> Kamion: Yeah, I noticed when I checked the main dapper repo. Mirror I was looking didn't include it.
[08:10] <cas> what "Source Package Name" in bugs I must select to report a wish item for dapper in launchpad/UBZ?
[08:48] <haggai> pitti: hi, how did you transition the postgresql repo from cvs to arch? Did you get any of the tools to work?
[09:14] <pef> slomo: hello, your correction for midnight-commander works fine for me ! (weird display in virtual console)
[09:14] <slomo> pef: ok, fine :) thanks for reporting
[09:15] <zyga> slomo: did mc finally get utf8 support?
[09:16] <slomo> zyga: yes... works for me and a few others but would be nice if you could test it too ;)
[09:17] <zyga> slomo: just point a finger :)
[09:18] <slomo> zyga: when you use dapper you already have it ;)
[09:18] <zyga> slomo: checking
[09:18] <slomo> zyga: then get it from here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mc/
[09:18] <slomo> zyga: 4.6.1-1ubuntu1
[09:20] <zyga> slomo: okay so....
[09:20] <zyga> one thing worked :)
[09:20] <zyga> other did not
[09:20] <slomo> ok, which did work and which not? ;)
[09:20] <zyga> locale menus worked
[09:20] <zyga> I have a folder called nihongo (in japanese) and that did not work
[09:20] <zyga> it was displayed as small squares
[09:21] <zyga> in vt, in X everything worked fine
[09:21] <slomo> then your terminal font doesn't have the right characters
[09:21] <slomo> oh... hmm
[09:21] <slomo> yes probably that problem then ;)
[09:21] <zyga> slomo: strange though
[09:21] <slomo> why?
[09:21] <zyga> slomo: debian-installer manages to show a whole zoo of characters on startup
[09:23] <slomo> zyga: hmm... no idea... but when it works in X it shouldn't be mc's problem... i really think it's the terminal font... what happens when you write this characters by hand in a vt?
[09:23] <zyga> slomo: I don't really know how do to that :)
[09:23] <zyga> slomo: I created that folder in X with special input methods
[09:23] <slomo> zyga: hehe... i don't know either :)
[09:24] <zyga> how does one use kana on vt ... beats me :)
[09:24] <zyga> any japanese developer around?
[09:24] <dieman> heh
[09:24] <dieman> the NetworkWideUpdates spec is something i may be able to work on at work
[09:25] <shawarma> Does anyone know if the bounty program will continue in Dapper with new bounties?
[09:25] <zyga> dieman: luck you
[09:25] <zyga> s/\W\y\
[09:25] <zyga> (I hope I got that right)
[09:26] <dieman> yeah, something like that :)
[09:27] <zyga> whooooah!!!
[09:27] <zyga> anone with dapper
[09:27] <zyga> can you run gvim
[09:27] <dieman> i think mvo heard us sometime in the past on #ubuntu talking about it
[09:27] <zyga> zyga@falcon:~$ gvim
[09:27] <zyga> E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time
[09:28] <slomo> zyga: works for me ;)
[09:28] <zyga> slomo: really strange
[09:28] <slomo> zyga: do you have vim-gnome installed?
[09:28] <shawarma> zyga: you got vim-gtk?
[09:28] <zyga> slomo: no but I have menu entry
[09:28] <zyga> I got neither
[09:28] <slomo> zyga: strange, i have none ;)
[09:29] <zyga> slomo: dpkg-query -S gvim shows that gvim.desktop is in vim not in vim-{gnome,gtk}
[09:29] <zyga> smells like a bug
[09:29] <dieman> makes me wish i setup some time for ubz and show up and stuff
[09:29] <dieman> oh well
[09:29] <slomo> zyga: yes... it is ;)
[09:31] <zyga> arghh
[09:31] <zyga> I broke launchpad again
[09:31] <slomo> zyga: maybe prepare a debdiff to fix this? :)
[09:32] <zyga> slomo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/3743
[09:32] <zyga> not today :)
[09:32] <zyga> vim is a hog to build on my laptop
[09:32] <dieman> hah
[09:33] <dieman> tickets to canada on short notice cost more money than god
[09:33] <dieman> like $1k+
[09:33] <dieman> $1600 non-stop ;)
[09:34] <zyga> aww damn yu
[09:42] <zyga> uhhh
[09:42] <zyga> vim's build hangs on a broken patch (it asks for a file to patch)
[09:42] <zyga> I think I'll leave this for the smart guys to solve
[10:22] <cevizoglu> what is the best UI toolkit to use if I want to share a good deal of the UI code with Carbon UI API's on Mac OS X?
[10:22] <cevizoglu> GTK2?
[10:36] <Amaranth> nothing, basically
[10:36] <Amaranth> and that really isn't an #ubuntu-devel kind of question
[10:37] <cevizoglu> why?
[10:37] <Amaranth> this is a channel for people working on ubuntu to discuss things, not a channel for random developers using ubuntu
[10:37] <cevizoglu> I thought that was what ubuntu-motu is for
[10:38] <farruinn> I've found a broken dependency in dapper (python2.4-gnome2-extras), but I can't report it on bugzilla (says I must choose a component, but there is no component field on the form)
[10:38] <Amaranth> no, ubuntu-motu is for people working on universe
[10:38] <cevizoglu> so this channel is for someone working on any other part of ubuntu?
[10:39] <Amaranth> for people working on main, basically
[10:39] <cevizoglu> oh, I guess I got the wrong meaning for "ubuntu-development"
[10:40] <cevizoglu> I will go away then
[10:48] <spayne> night all
[10:55] <ompaul> mako, u awake?
[10:55] <mako> ompaul: yes
[11:36] <daniels> Kamion: ping


[06:27] <Arafangion> Hey, why is it that when I do killall5, it also kills init, causing it to respawn?
[06:28]  * Arafangion is currently booting the system for more effective troubleshooting.
[13:05] <Keybuk> gotta love google
[13:06] <Keybuk> "we're not doing a phone or internet device"
[13:06] <Keybuk> "we're not doing a phone or internet device"
[13:06] <Keybuk> "we're not doing a phone or internet device"
[13:06] <Keybuk> "we'd like to announce our new phone/internet device"
[13:06] <ion_> :-)
[13:07]  * Keybuk has a prototype implementation of fork following now
[13:07] <Keybuk> it's slightly more scary than I had hoped, but I kinda like that
[13:07] <ion_> Whee
[13:07] <Keybuk> our security guy is hiding from me
[13:07] <Keybuk> I have given him nightmares
[13:08] <Keybuk> it's written with ptrace()
[13:09] <ion_> Does it have any speed implications?
[13:10] <Keybuk> shouldn't think so
[13:10] <Keybuk> I'm only using it to trap forks and execs
[13:10] <Keybuk> (though it'll also trap signals by default)
[13:18] <ion_> I added a friend request to you at facebook. :-)
[13:18] <ion_> I gave in to peer pressure and joined the site today.
[13:55] <Keybuk> ion_: added you
[13:56] <ion_> Thanks :-)
[13:57] <Jc2k> i read that out of order :-\
[13:57] <Jc2k> saw something about facebook and Keybuk using it to trap something o_O
[13:58] <Jc2k> :)
[13:59] <Keybuk> heh
[13:59] <ion_> I’ll make a fork of Upstart that uses facebook to trap forks and execs.
[13:59] <Jc2k> called KylieKonnect?
[13:59] <Keybuk> KylieKit
[14:00] <Jc2k> lol


[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/featherpad-theme-issue/3845/4
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Looks like Qt6 may be throwing a wrench in the works of theming. What are our plans here? Is all of LXQt supposed to eventually build against Qt6, or do we have a different plan?
[02:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (Hmm, looks like LXQt isn't ready for Qt6 yet.)
[02:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: With regard to XScreenSaver, I was indeed able to remove the config file you mentioned and it started working. However, I also discovered that the Preview button is entirely broken - launching xscreensaver-settings from the terminal, then selecting a screensaver and clicking Preview, nothing happens. No error or warning in the terminal, no message on the screen, nothing. Total silent failure.
[02:27] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm going to start by porting our old XScreenSaver configuration to whatever the new format is and see if that changes things, but if not, we may have an upstream bug to file.
[02:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Except that we're on XScreenSaver 6.02, and the dev has made it very clear that he only wants bug reports for 6.05.
[02:33]  * arraybolt3[m] is making my own head spin :P
[02:56] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, on the bright side, solved part of the "no preview" mystery. Previews still work by double-clicking on items, so probably there's a bug in the button code, which should hopefully come with an easy patch. On the not-so-bright side, I cannot seem to find a sample XScreenSaver configuration file. I have to go afk, but there's my findings so far.
[03:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Sheesh. Alright, time to do this on hard mode. /me spins up a VM and attempts to build XScreenSaver from source to see if that spits out the file I'm looking for
[04:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Success! Alright, now I can start doing config porting. I hope. I may have to do one more compile, but I'm getting closer.
[04:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually I'll definitely need to do one more compile now that I think about it.)
[05:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Rik Mills: Sort of the wrong channel for this, but I noticed that you're still opped up in #kubuntu. Is that intentional?
 "(Actually I'll definitely need..." <- For the config change it isn't necessary to compile it. You can just grab the config out of the tar. We then need to replace the one we have in default settings.
 "For the config change it isn't..." <- I never could find it in the tar for some reason. Maybe I didn't look closely enough?
[14:22] <arraybolt3[m]> aHA! Finally! Found it!
[14:24] <kc2bez[m]> Ah cool, I was just unpacking it to find it.
[14:25] <kc2bez[m]> Anyway, this is where it needs to go - https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/lubuntu-default-settings/src/branch/ubuntu/lunar/src/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver
[14:26] <kc2bez[m]> The new format is quite different.
[14:26] <kc2bez[m]> It has the option for themes so we don't need to implement the hacky way we were doing color changes before.
[14:27] <kc2bez[m]> I haven't had any time to mess with it though.
[15:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds good. Hopefully I'll bugfix that today, and then maybe keep plugging away at LXQt 1.2.
[16:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Good. Grief. This is the most complicated config file, like, ever. I think I'll need to start from scratch and try to fiddle with it until it looks right, if it's possible to make it look right at all.
[17:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Getting closer, I have the color theme working!
[17:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: OK, I have a working XScreenSaver file. I think the only thing I didn't get done right is I can't manage to set the header text to say "Lubuntu 23.04" anymore. I tried several things, none of which had any effect, so this config file just leaves the original "XScreenSaver, Version 6.02" (or whatever it says) text in place.
[18:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Bah, the file doesn't want to send as a Matrix code block. :(
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> And at some point I had the Preview button working again but that stopped for some odd reason...
[18:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, got the Preview button working again!
[18:15] <kc2bez[m]> Don't stress too much over the "Lubuntu 23.04" thing.
[18:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds good. But I found a very annoying bug.
[18:16] <kc2bez[m]> Oh fun
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Turns out you have to set the image directory and text file fields or else it kills the Preview button.
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> So we have to pick... some... random things to set those to.
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Currently I have the text file set to /usr/share/doc/2048-qt/copyright, and the images dir set to /usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers. The latter is good, the former... yeah, no. Ideas?
[18:17] <kc2bez[m]> Wallpapers folder?
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not to mention the fact that doing these things may be adding additional dependencies we don't want. Uninstalling 2048 or removing the wallpapers should not break the screensaver.)
[18:18] <kc2bez[m]> Hmm so maybe we need a generic text doc that we can add that has a welcome to Lubuntu message or something
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> That sounds like a good idea.
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> There's still a few more kinks I need to work out (text source URL for those who don't want to use a text file, and figure out how to set some of the settings to sane defaults), but so far it's coming along nicely.
[18:20] <kc2bez[m]> Nice, thank you for working on it.
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> From a Lubuntu end-user viewpoint, using the wallpapers folder is a great idea, but that also makes xscreensaver broken on other flavors. So... I think we should add both a sample text file and a sample images folder to the packaging so that all the features work on all flavors. Both the images and the text file would be generic and sensible regardless of the flavor in use Does this seem like a good idea to everyone? Simon Quigley
[18:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons @teward001
[18:30] <arraybolt3[m]> It just dawned on me that xscreensaver may have some default way of making these fields empty that I don't know about. Hold one one second...
[18:48] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, I don't think it will be broken. It breaks when we supply our configuration changes. If you delete our config it works.
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, it does. It sets the text file to xserver-common's copyright file, and the images dir to /usr/share/backgrounds.
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (Just build 6.02 from source in a VM to see how it autoreplaced certain variables in the config file.)
[18:49] <kc2bez[m]> We could point to the same thing
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Exactly.
[18:49] <kc2bez[m]> Maybe even should point to the same thing.
[18:50]  * arraybolt3[m] does a quick apt-file to see what owns /usr/share/backgrounds
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> kc2bez[m]: Definitely agree. The user can set these things to whatever they want using xscreensaver-settings later, we just need some values that will keep weird errors out of the user's face without breaking any buttons. I'm somewhat annoyed that the fields can't just be blank, but whatever works, works, so long as it works everywhere.
[18:53] <kc2bez[m]> We're on the same page.
[18:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, looks like /usr/share/backgrounds is usually a wallpaper spot. Is there any particular reason Lubuntu doesn't put its wallpapers there by default? If not, we might be able to change it, which would give us the best of both worlds (multi-flavor compatibility and nicer-looking screensavers).
[18:55] <kc2bez[m]> Well, we use the freedesktop spec and the XDG folders hierarchy.
[18:56] <kc2bez[m]> My guess is /usr/share stuff is older Unix standard.
[18:57] <arraybolt3[m]> It looks like Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix, and Ubuntu MATE at least all use that folder for wallpapers.
[18:57] <kc2bez[m]> Interesting
[18:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, I see what you're saying. It's not critical to do that, and besides it's more developer work for something of lesser importance when we have a bunch of other stuff to work on.
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, if I send a link, can someone look over the new XScreenSaver file before I push it to Git? Due to some things that changed (or at least that I couldn't get to work right), I made some design decisions (like allowing the splash screen since it can't be disabled anymore, and changing the font of the password dialog since biwidth didn't seem to be being picked up right and so looked horrible). I'd rather have someone look at what
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> I did and say "yeah OK that looks good" rather than "you did WHAT no revert that". :P
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]>  * OK, if I send a link, can someone look over the new XScreenSaver file before I push it to Git? Due to some things that changed (or at least that I couldn't get to work right), I made some design decisions (like allowing the splash screen since it can't be disabled anymore, and changing the font of the password dialog since biwidth didn't seem to be being picked up right and so looked horrible). I'd rather have someone look at
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> what I did and say "uh change that to XYZ and then it's good" rather than "you did WHAT no revert that". :P
[19:20] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, throw it in a paste someplace and folks can test it. If someone drops it in their home folder as xscreensaver they should be able to test it.
[19:21] <kc2bez[m]> sorry .xscreensaver
[19:24] <arraybolt3[m]> I found that the most reliable way to get it to kick in was to copy it to /usr/share/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver, then run "killall xscreensaver" followed by "rm ~/.xscreensaver", then launch xscreensaver-settings and restart xscreensaver. Other things I tried seem to not get the settings picked up, so if it doesn't pick it up the first time, try that. Paste incoming...
[19:24] <arraybolt3[m]>  * I found that the most reliable way to get it to kick in was to copy it to /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver, then run "killall xscreensaver" followed by "rm ~/.xscreensaver", then launch xscreensaver-settings and restart xscreensaver. Other things I tried seem to not get the settings picked up, so if it doesn't pick it up the first time, try that. Paste incoming... (edit: fixed wrong path)
[19:25] <arraybolt3[m]> https://termbin.com/nato2
[19:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh great now I notice a comment I added is no longer valid. /me fixes
[19:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright here's the one without the faulty comment. https://termbin.com/biyz
[19:30] <arraybolt3[m]> I also noticed I accidentally left textURL set to Wikipedia rather than feedburner ubuntu-news like we used to have it.
[19:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> FWIW, Ubuntu Studio uses that folder for compatibility with other desktops. Using /usr/share/wallpapers only seems to work for Plasma afaict.
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> lxqt-qtplugin updated.
[21:17]  * arraybolt3[m] goes afk, will check up on pings later
[21:17]  * arraybolt3[m]  * goes afk, will check up on messages later