 The issue is making a vm on the server and the set up the domain unless we just host the file and link to it.
[02:20] <valorie> @ahoneybun -- I don't know much about that stuff but it should be possible
 @RikMills, KCI is a critical component, and we need a plan to update, maintain, and document it. I too am a little scared, not of the system or Jenkins, but the packaging scripts and tooling. I'd like to pitch in to a team to help get it sorted 😁
[11:27] <yofel> you are rightfully scared of the tooling FWIW. Though I'm more annoyed about docker there than the actual ruby code. That is decent - we just have 0 active developers that know ruby, which is the biggest issue.
[11:27] <yofel> The jenkins base tooling is fairly trivial. The only things you need to set up on the hosts by hand are those lock services for git and docker, and jenkins master has some additional setup for hosting the images and stuff like that
[11:30] <yofel> I'm must worried because I pay little attention to it lately, and we have passwordless PGP keys lying on those machines. So while incredibly unlikely, one hijacked system would technically mean reviewing all git histories for malicious commits
[11:30] <yofel> *just worried
 Council, I think in view of comments from Yofel we need to try to organise a   time when we can group up and figure out a plan, thoughts ?
[15:16] <yofel> it would be good to have a plan for jenkins maintenance at least. The tooling itself is an issue, but it works fine without touching unless something changes in the packaging, which doesn't seem to have been the case so far. Or is there something?
[15:24] <RikMills> yofel: should be ok AFAIK. to be honest, I have just put off doing updating. then it got to being a big big update!
[15:25] <RikMills> not really that scared of it, but if an update did break something, I may get stuck fixing it is all
[15:33] <yofel> well, true that. I did updates on swy-01 today and promptly had to fix docker which refused to start up afterwards.
[15:33] <yofel> I don't really remember why I postponed the release upgrade on master. Maybe because I had bad experiences with upgrades on RAID setups.
[15:34] <yofel> Or maybe I just ran out of time after setting up the docker storage layer again from scratch
[15:37] <RikMills> on a slightly side topic, I think now release is over, we should really do a blog post thanking linode for another year. explaining how and why their server helped us get 19.10 done. @ahoneybun valorie @Sick_Rimmit et al?
 Agreed. Don't we have Bytemark too?
 Yeah, Not sure whether to lump both in to one that is all
 Yes we do have Bytemark too.
 I'll write a draft 😃
 Anyone know what we use cms2cms for ?
 Nope
[17:48] <yofel> was that for the old cms migration? (drupal > wp)
 Ah ha OK That's good enough info thanks
[17:49] <RikMills> before my time
 OK, There is an article in drafts, that probably needs a little @Valoriez love to make sure its on point on grammatically sensible. Perhaps a little @ahoneybun magic, with a Kubuntu / Konqi graphic 😉
 I think we can (a) add the logos and links to that? (b) explain a bit more what the servers give us? not big technical details, but widen it bit as it is more than just build servers.
 I'll try to come back and have a look where people have got to with it before I go to sleep UK time :)
 Ah well I was planning to make Sponsors a link to the Sponsors page. 😉
 Yeah, but it is impact on the 1st page people hit I was thinking of. People may not click through. So sponsors logos and links on the article would be best?
 For example, if we tweet the link thanking them
 In that case, people who see a logo and a link may investigate. A check the sponsors page link may just not get looked at by most.
 Yes I agree, lets do it. I'll make the amends
 Great
 I would like yto propose that we remove cms2cms as we do not use any services from them ongoing, would that be ok ?
 I propose that, if it is as historical as it seems.....
 Updated draft done with Logo's and links.. Just need a review from the US side and we're good to go 😃
 https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=4248&action=edit
 kool
[18:43] <valorie> I'll look in a sec
[18:46] <valorie> I'm a bit confused -- we use both bytemark and linode for the same thing?
[18:46] <valorie> ah, ok, I think I understand
 Yes we have Master and Slaves build machines and they're distributed across both hosting providers
[18:49] <valorie> k.
[18:49] <valorie> shall I publish, then we can tweet?
 where did the images and links go?
[18:50] <valorie> wtf, a link just disappeared
[18:50] <valorie> jeeeeez
[18:51] <valorie> I still see the images
[18:51] <valorie> @RikMills if you want to check, I'll log out
[18:51] <valorie> done
[18:51] <valorie> bytemark link disappeared
[18:51] <valorie> good god
 no idea. damn wordpress. back in a min
[18:55] <valorie> I'll start the tweet
 no even going too look until published now :P
 too many cooks!
[18:58] <valorie> not seeing it yet
[18:58] <valorie> gosh I love our new wallpaper on the website
[18:59] <valorie> thank you again @rikmills
 I have logged out as well. please publish if you think it is ok
[19:01] <valorie> I don't see the story at ALL
[19:02] <valorie> there it is
[19:02] <valorie> bytemark link is still missing
[19:02] <valorie> sheesh
[19:03] <valorie> is this it? https://www.bytemark.co/
[19:04] <valorie> oh, this one: https://www.bytemark.co.uk/
[19:06] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/news/thanks-to-our-sponsors/
[19:11] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/news/thanks-to-our-sponsors/
 Yay! That looks great
[19:19] <valorie> took all hands on deck
[19:19] <valorie> I think we need to approach Canonical again about the WP
[19:19] <valorie> or just build a site elsewhere
 Oh why ?
[19:20] <valorie> it's extremely out of date
[19:20] <valorie> constant warnings about upgrading
[19:20] <valorie> and I don't believe that we can upgrade ourselves
[19:21] <valorie> up-to-date WP isn't quite so bad I think
 Yes here is why
 You cannot update because WordPress 5.2.4 requires PHP version 5.6.20 or higher. You are running version 5.5.9-1ubuntu4.29.
 The box it's running on needs PHP 5.6
[19:21] <valorie> right
 That's a job for canonicalsysadmins
[19:22]  * yofel tries to remember how many years PHP 5.5 is EOL now and fails
[19:23] <valorie> yes, so I think we need to ask again
[19:23] <valorie> I believe that this "ask" is years old
 It is the admins at Canonical as they only have access to the VM that it is running.
 valorie I can maybe get a WP site up though not sure how I could move it.
 We may end up with issues with the theme on an newer version though. It's kinda OK as we don't have user info or the ISO though the WP.
[20:33] <valorie> yeah
[20:34] <valorie> not move as much as backup the data we have and restore from that backup
[22:18] <keithzg[m]> Going to start my tenure attending to the Kubuntu fediverse account by linking to the 19.10 release announcement :) (Changed the banner accordingly too)
[22:19] <valorie> \o/
[22:22] <valorie> keithzg[m]: it looks a bit cut off
[22:23] <valorie> perhaps shrink a bit and then re-upload?
[22:23] <valorie> for others: discussing https://mastodon.technology/@Kubuntu
[22:25] <keithzg[m]> valorie: Hmm, interesting, for me it looks fine (if a bit small in terms of the text, which makes sense as I just grabbed the current website banner which is designed as a big page banner)
[22:25]  * keithzg[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20191018_162411.png (76KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/riot.keithzg.ca/DSHTWaaRogzBtLNfbAzksAoN >
[22:26] <keithzg[m]> Ah, looks like a bit of a different layout when not logged in. That's unfortunate.
[22:28] <valorie> yeah, not logged in
[22:29] <valorie> welp, when @RikMills wakes he can give you access to a shrinkable image I think
[22:31] <keithzg[m]> Yeah, maybe there's a way to thread this needle better. For now I've cropped it in a way that should make it a bit better overall, splitting the difference a bit. A tricky proposition, overall; entirely different display again in the Pleroma frontend, for instance! (Where the text is a bit of an issue since Pleroma overlays the main account details overtop of the account's banner).
[22:32] <valorie> ah
[22:32] <valorie> I just cropped for the tweet, too
[22:32] <valorie> that's quick n dirty
[22:32] <valorie> and looks good
[22:33] <keithzg[m]> Yeah, best not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good!
[22:33] <valorie> indeed, and that is better
[22:33] <valorie> thank you
[22:33] <keithzg[m]> :)
[22:35] <valorie> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1185271978866774016 is the tweet to which I refer
[22:35] <valorie> courtesy of spectacle
[22:36] <keithzg[m]> I also used a KDE app to do my quick crop, Gwenview in my case :)
[22:39] <valorie> :-)
 It looks great now.
 keithzg can you link to the new post as well?
 God I need to my butt in gear for the 20.04 release when it comes to the docs.
[23:03] <valorie> if we do zfs there will be some writing needed
[23:03] <valorie> not much but screenies for plasma 5.17
 So I released the 19.04 docs on the site yesterday lol.
[23:03] <valorie> but it would def. be good to have a better website and the docs online
[23:03] <valorie> ha
[23:04] <valorie> really not many changes 19,04 > 19.10
[23:04] <valorie> but plasma does look different
 I'll see what I can do for 19.10 and start the branch for 20.04.
 Not this weekend since my dad is in town but next weekend.,
[23:07] <valorie> oh nice
[23:07] <valorie> have a good weekend!
[23:07] <valorie> gotta get my flu shot this weekend
[23:07] <valorie> grocery store pharmacy was out of the senior shot yesterday
[23:13] <keithzg[m]> @ahoneybun: I don't see any Fediverse accounts for any of the three sponsors (which is fair enough!), so just went with a simple link post: https://mastodon.technology/@Kubuntu/102985914023817036
 That's good. Thank you.


[05:03] <hot_wheelz> hi guys
[05:04] <OutOfControl> Howdy hot_wheelz
[05:04] <hot_wheelz> anyone here currently using xbmc?
[06:29] <airtonix> depends
[12:32] <patriotaqus> hi
[12:33] <head_victim> Good evening
[12:36] <benonsoftware> Hiya patriotaqus and head_victim
[12:37] <patriotaqus> Hi there
[12:37] <benonsoftware> How is everyone going?
[12:38] <patriotaqus> I am alright, but i am having difficulty getting ubuntu to install.
[12:38] <dns53> what method are you using and where is it failing?
[12:39] <patriotaqus> Well i used wubi
[12:40] <patriotaqus> and when i restarted it threw an error my way (which i submitted) and then it seemed the OS was somewhat loaded but then a commandline (or something similar) came up with something along the lines of
[12:40] <dns53> well it should normally work, i have seen issues when the windows disk is fragmented or you need to run scandisk
[12:40] <patriotaqus> "checking CUPS spool..." [OK] and just hung there
[12:41] <patriotaqus> Disk probably isn't fragmented -> newly formatted
[12:43] <patriotaqus> I uninstalled ubuntu in program manager, i am going to try again but should i instead install with CD to avoid issues?
[12:48] <dns53> download an iso and check the md5sum, you can use a 64 bit iso if you want just have it in the same directory as wubi.exe
[12:50] <patriotaqus> ill check it now
[12:54] <patriotaqus> the checksum was correct
[12:57] <patriotaqus> okay well i have made an attempt at putting it on an usb (no cds), so i am going to do another attempt. thanks
[12:59] <head_victim> Nice work dns53, I have never even looked at wubi so of absolutely no use :/
[13:02] <dns53> it's good but it did have it stop working as my drive became fragmented, a defrag fixed it
[13:02] <head_victim> I only ever dual booted and then switched entirely and occasionally run windows in a VM


[08:12] <mdke> morning all
[08:16] <jpds> Morning.
[09:00] <mib_04cywaog> i want compile gcc 2.95.3 but i cant compile on ubuntu 6.10, wich ubuntu work?


[06:39] <jfer> Hi All. I was thinking of buying a new Desktop PC. I was wondering what Ubuntu compatability is like for Inters new CPUs such as the i7. AS well as the 2011 socket motherboards.
[06:40] <jfer> Has anyone had experience with this?
[11:02] <head_victim> I've just gone to try and get the desktop calendar integrated in 12.04.


[19:48] <jayjo-> are cloud-init and curtin related in using autoinstall for ubuntu? Is the autoinstall section of the cloudinit config a specific module of cloud init used by ubuntu?
[19:48] <jayjo-> I'm trying to figure out how to structure the storage section of the config (yaml)
[19:49] <jayjo-> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference#storage


[01:17] <locodir-user-cj> mhall119: ping
[01:17] <mhall119> locodir-user-cj: pong
[01:17] <locodir-user-cj> it beeped and its red
[01:18] <mhall119> works for me
[01:18] <locodir-user-cj> I guess I shall continue working on it.
[01:19] <cjohnston> I'll need help with the scedule part I think
[01:19] <cjohnston> schedule
[01:19] <mhall119> ok, i'm not entirely sure what's currently being displayed, but it's in the code somewhere
[01:20] <cjohnston> ya
[01:20] <cjohnston> iirc its render.py
[01:20] <mhall119> ew...
[01:20] <mhall119> everything is in render.py
[01:20] <cjohnston> hehehe
[01:20] <mhall119> I hate that file
[01:21] <cjohnston> it was nasty iirc from what Daviey told me
[01:21] <mhall119> everything in render.py is nasty
[01:21] <cjohnston> hehehe
[01:21]  * cjohnston votes mhall119 to fix it
[01:21] <mhall119> >:(
[01:21] <mhall119> that's my angry face
[01:22] <cjohnston> hehe
[01:22] <mhall119> just for that, I'm gonna go grill up my steaks
[01:22] <mhall119> then come back and tell you how delicious they are
[01:22] <cjohnston> I want one
[01:22] <mhall119> it's in render.py :P
[01:22] <mhall119> go find it
[01:23] <cjohnston> hey.. as long as you do some reviews and fix my stupid hotel crap.
[01:23] <cjohnston> :-P
[01:23] <cjohnston> the steak is all 0's and 1's
[01:24] <mhall119> in a .py? you're doing it wrong
[01:25] <cjohnston> lol
[01:30] <cjohnston> doesn't it all boil down to a 0 or a 1 anyway?
[01:52] <cjohnston> mhall119: the other issue is going to be making sure it fits correctly on the screen
[02:06] <mhall119> I thinkthe projectors are just 4:3 using standard desktop resolutions
[02:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: render.py goodness: http://paste.ubuntu.com/599542/
[02:27] <mhall119> cjohnston: ./manage.py initslots
[02:32] <cjohnston> now its even more broke
[02:32] <cjohnston> lol
[02:33] <cjohnston> Exception Type: IndexError at /uds-o/2011-04-26/
[02:33] <cjohnston> Exception Value: list index out of range
[02:33] <cjohnston> I'm trying to schedule a slot that is happening now..
[02:33] <cjohnston> are they entered in utc i guess?
[02:40] <mhall119> I think so
[02:40] <mhall119> everything is in UTC, because we hate people
[02:41] <pleia2> hehe
[02:41] <pleia2> meanie robots
[02:41] <mhall119> when the singularity happens, the robots aren't going to kill us, they're going to force us all onto UTC and then watch civilisation collapse
[02:42] <pleia2> it'll work, they are clever
[02:42] <mhall119> then they'll implement DST on UTC, to kill off the few nerd holdouts
[02:42] <pleia2> haha
[02:44] <cjohnston> I don't know what the issue is
[02:46] <cjohnston> mhall119: if I can get the schedule thing working, the room all in one is pretty much done
[02:46] <mhall119> yay!
[02:47] <cjohnston> the index error above is the issue
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:31] <YoBoY> bonjour dholbach :)
[07:31] <dholbach> salut YoBoY
[11:14] <YoBoY> yes we have 42 people registered for our release Party on friday, who wants to come too ? :D
[11:22] <head_victim> Is there anyone here from the LoCoCouncil have a few minutes for a PM? Nothing too sinister just after a second opinion.
[11:35] <head_victim> No stress, just emailed it instead.
[13:03] <mhall119> YoBoY: buy me a plane ticket and I'll come
[13:04] <YoBoY> :D
[13:06] <nigelb> morning mhall119
[13:22] <mhall119> evening nigelb
[13:40] <JanC> mhall119: just ask sabdfl for a lift  ;)
[13:45] <mhall119> I don't think he's stopping in at Florida
[15:51] <czajkowski> few mmore days to TEAM reports folks :) make me and nhandler happy this month :)
[15:56] <nigelb> cjohnston: ping
[16:09] <nigelb> mhall119: erm, I forgot the password to my dev instance. how do I restore it?
[16:09] <nigelb> oh,wait. forget it.
[16:12] <mhall119> nigelb: easiest way is to ./manage.py shell, get an instance of your user record, and user.set_password() then user.save()
[16:13] <nigelb> mhall119: that's what I did ^-^
[16:13] <mhall119> heh, great minds
[16:14] <nigelb> mhall119: bwahaha. *facepalm*
[16:14] <nigelb> mhall119: I didn't forget my pw really.
[16:14] <nigelb> I tried to login to summit.ubuntu.com instead of local instance.
[16:14] <nigelb> I fail :p
[16:14] <mhall119> :P
[16:15] <nigelb> Note to self: don't click on links in bugs when triaging.
[16:17] <nigelb> ok, so I'm on summit mode tonight.
[16:17] <nigelb> What needs to get fixed yesterday? :p
[16:19] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[16:20] <mhall119> cjohnston has a couple merge proposals I think
[16:20] <nigelb> yeah. I reviewed those earlier today
[21:02] <dan-theanimalhou> hola
[21:14] <mhall119> hi
[21:30] <dan_> hola
[21:31] <Ronnie> hi dan_
[21:32] <dan_> hi there Ronnie
[21:32] <dan_> New to ubuntu irc here
[21:41] <Ronnie> dan_: if you have questions about your loco or about IRC, just ask ;)
[21:48] <YoBoY> why wiki.u.c have so many errors :]
[22:09] <JanC> YoBoY: because they need to upgrade moinmoin to a non-prehistoric version ;)
[22:10] <czajkowski> it;s on a to do list and is being worked on
[22:10] <YoBoY> since when ? ^^"
[22:34] <Ronnie> YoBoY: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/04/07/another-wiki-ubuntu-com-upgrade-update/
[22:36] <YoBoY> ho great thanks Ronnie :)
[22:47] <JanC> YoBoY: IIRC the current version does a plain text search every time somebody searches on the wiki or something like that, and the new version uses a state-of-the-art search index, which should somewhat help with the server being overloaded now  ;)
[22:49] <YoBoY> we are facing same kind of problems in our wiki (dowuwiki) actually we are working on changing the internal full text search to a seeks search
[22:49] <YoBoY> and btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrenchTeam/TeamReports/11/April team report ready ^^"


[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:00]  * vorlon waves
[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:00] <cyphermox> o/
[15:01] <infinity> \o
[15:01] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct 31 15:01:45 2019 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:01] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:02] <bdmurray> bdmurray sil2100 cyphermox mwhudson tdaitx doko juliank xnox vorlon infinity rbalint waveform
[15:02] <bdmurray> updated daisy retracer code for more python-cassandra changes
[15:02] <bdmurray> updated daisy retracer code to support retracing of focal
[15:02] <bdmurray> discovered issue with Conents.gz being 0 bytes for eoan release pocket
[15:02] <bdmurray> updated lp retracer config to support retracing of focal
[15:02] <bdmurray> created apport test crashes for focal
[15:02] <bdmurray> updated retracer cronjob to count users of 20.04
[15:02] <bdmurray> investigation into when 'apt list --upgradable' is displayed
[15:02] <bdmurray> reviewed MP from sil2100 re ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:03] <xnox> bdmurray:  contents will be fixed, right?
[15:03] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:03] <cyphermox> - netplan NetworkManager plugin
[15:03] <cyphermox> - coordinating net-tools deprecation
[15:03] <cyphermox> - debugging grub2 "unknown tpm" issue (patch ready, to SRU today)
[15:03] <bdmurray> xnox: Yes, contents is fixed already and permanent fix is landing
[15:03] <cyphermox> - reiwa support patched
[15:03] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:03] <cyphermox> *patches
[15:03] <bdmurray> tdaitx:
[15:04] <bdmurray> I think he said something about lunch
[15:04] <bdmurray> doko: ?
[15:04] <doko> - working on libreoffice autopkg test failure, without
[15:04] <doko>   support from the Debian/Ubuntu package maintainters.
[15:04] <doko>   https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=92267
[15:04] <doko>   Can't wait for the comments that I broke the archive ...
[15:04] <doko> - GCC 9 update
[15:04] <bdmurray> how about we skip to xnox!
[15:04] <doko> - bug reports for Python3 packages
[15:04] <doko> (done)
[15:05] <xnox> Work with mwhudson on klibc bug #1850184
[15:05] <xnox> Attended OIN office hours in lyon (private summary to follow)
[15:05] <xnox> Created merge proposal for :i386 resolution in germinate, it now produces matching output as the static EOAN list, but fails testsuite in other ways
[15:05] <xnox> Customer meetings prep
[15:05] <xnox> Roadmap sprint prep
[15:05] <xnox> done
[15:05] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[15:05] <vorlon>  * archive opening
[15:05] <infinity>  * Very Long weekend and short week.
[15:05] <vorlon>  * autopkgtest shepherding
[15:05] <vorlon>  * python2 removals (NBS, process-removals, etc)
[15:05] <vorlon>  * working around python3.8 build failures in packages that need update to drop python2
[15:05] <infinity>  * Some help with transitions.
[15:05] <infinity>  * Getting d-i hobbling along while we decide how to kill it.
[15:05] <infinity>  * Work with LP on Contents issue.
[15:05] <infinity>  * Misc AA/SRU stuff.
[15:05] <infinity> (done)
[15:05] <vorlon>  * 20.04 roadmap prep
[15:05] <vorlon> (done)
[15:06] <rbalint> * poked systemd and other packages to migrate
[15:06] <rbalint> * SRUs: systemd (eoan)
[15:06] <rbalint> * SRU verifications: unattended-upgrades
[15:06] <rbalint> * reported  LP:#1850667 and set up ppa:rbalint/systemd-unified-cgh for testing the new upstream systemd default which is reverted in Ubuntu to avoid regressions
[15:06] <rbalint> * merged systemd again from Debian, poking it to migrate
[15:06] <rbalint> (done)
[15:06] <bdmurray> waveform:
[15:06] <waveform> * Added flash-kernel entry for Pi 3A+; LP: #1841955
[15:06] <waveform> * Testing kernel fixes for Pi 4 USB issue across various pis - all looking good except for flash-kernel issue (next); LP: #1848790
[15:06] <waveform> * Investigating Bionic SRU of Pi 4 support
[15:06] <waveform> * Noticed flash-kernel only updates dtb for platform it is being run on. Unfortunately, there is a baked-in assumption that it will only ever deal with one dtb (while Pi requires it to handle all dtbs, and preferably overlays too). Working on a fix; LP: #1850678
[15:06] <waveform> (done)
[15:06] <xnox> rbalint:  one can just use kernel boot option no? or is that too hard for users?
[15:07] <xnox> rbalint:  i.e. i don't think we will be able to move off hybrid in 20.04
[15:08] <rbalint> xnox, it is fine if we don't move off, the bug is there to track readiness
[15:08] <xnox> rbalint:  ack
[15:08] <bdmurray> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:08] <bdmurray> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> actually lets start with ff
[15:09] <bdmurray> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:09] <bdmurray> There's one new here bug 1849477
[15:10] <bdmurray> somebody tagged it rls-ff-incoming and somebody said it was fixed but the tag was left
[15:10] <xnox> bdmurray:  but also it is fixed in -proposed already by mwhudson
[15:10] <bdmurray> I've cleaned it up but lets try not to leave that for me
[15:10] <bdmurray> xnox: bug 1847852
[15:11] <bdmurray> Okay, now ee
[15:11] <bdmurray> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:12] <bdmurray> I still need to review those but roadmap work is taking priority
[15:12] <bdmurray> sorting by date created bug 1849156 is recent
[15:13] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1849156/+activity
[15:14] <bdmurray> xnox: it looks like rblalint asked a question about splitting the package
[15:14] <rbalint> taking it
[15:15] <bdmurray> Will splitting the package fix it for Eoan?
[15:15] <rbalint> bdmurray, sruing the change will
[15:15] <xnox> bdmurray:  yes, but upgrade testing will be fun.
[15:18] <bdmurray> Well we'll do something for Focal, so I'll card this. The SRU fix sounds a bit more complicated.
[15:18] <xnox> i think the key is to have it done right for Bionic to Focal upgrades
[15:18] <bdmurray> bug 1848892
[15:19] <cyphermox> I'm on top of that
[15:19] <cyphermox> will upload SRU with a patch that will mitigate this today; and I think this is a good candidate for fast-tracking
[15:19] <cyphermox> there's a worrying number of reports
[15:19] <bdmurray> cyphermox: Do you already have a card for it?
[15:20] <cyphermox> (I submitted my patch already upstream)
[15:20] <cyphermox> no, there isn't AFAIK
[15:20] <cyphermox> I go create card
[15:20] <bdmurray> cyphermox: okay, thanks!
[15:22] <cyphermox> done
[15:22] <cyphermox> anyway, agree on fast-tracking>
[15:22] <cyphermox> ?
[15:22] <cyphermox> vorlon: ^
[15:22] <bdmurray> cyphermox: does fast-tracking mean wait less than 7 days in -proposed?
[15:22] <cyphermox> yes
[15:23] <cyphermox> the patch is straightforward and the effects of the bug are quite jarring
[15:23] <vorlon> I'm not committing to that just yet
[15:23] <cyphermox> OTOH, it's grub, and omg
[15:23] <vorlon> the bug currently has no SRU template, so that's a necessary first step
[15:23] <bdmurray> As a fake SRU team member I'd have to see the patch before deciding
[15:24] <bdmurray> But it does seem important enough to get the fix out there
[15:24] <cyphermox> bdmurray: patch is linked in my last comment on the bug
[15:24] <cyphermox> I'll prepare the package changes shortly and update the bug with a template
[15:25] <bdmurray> cyphermox: it looks like you have bug 1848797 in hand too, but there isn't a code change correct?
[15:30] <bdmurray> There is nothing new for rls-bb
[15:30] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:30] <bdmurray> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:31] <xnox> doko:  do we care about python3-defaults migrating with 3.8 as supported, rather than starting the transition to 3.8 as default?
[15:31] <vorlon> I think despite the volume of packages here and the known entanglements, we are at a point where it's worth asking people to divide and conquer
[15:32] <xnox> doko:  imho it seems odd to ever support default as lower than a supported version.
[15:32] <vorlon> because they're largely things that do need attention in order to get them through, not just things that are waiting for infra
[15:32] <xnox> (because there are aloways things in the chain that embed default interpreters only)
[15:32] <bdmurray> The other day you (vorlon) had mentioned tracking the conquering - is that right?
[15:33] <bdmurray> or maybe its really the dividing that needs tracking ;-) the conquering is obvious
[15:33] <vorlon> bdmurray: uh I'm not sure; the last thing I mentioned was about python2 removals
[15:33] <vorlon> which is different from this
[15:33] <vorlon> anyway, looking at python3-defaults alone, which is the oldest package on there (because archive opening), most of those are going to require attention
[15:34] <doko> xnox: not my priority now. my priority is to work on the numpy stack, that's the most broken thing currently
[15:34] <rbalint> let's go in order and pick
[15:34] <vorlon> either by fixing source compatibility with python3.8, or (temporarily) dropping support in the package for python3-all and filing bugs in Debian
[15:34] <xnox> doko:  ack =/
[15:34] <vorlon> do we just want to round-robin assign a couple to everyone?
[15:34] <cyphermox> volunteering for python-apt, I guess
[15:35] <vorlon> ok, python-apt - cyphermox
[15:35] <vorlon> asciidoc - sil2100
[15:35] <rbalint> probably we should all take a look at the breakages for python-defaults
[15:35] <vorlon> cloudpickle - mwhudson (hi!)
[15:35] <vorlon> dask - tdaitx
[15:36] <vorlon> I'll skip doko because I know he's working on numpy
[15:36] <rbalint> twisted -rbalint
[15:36] <tdaitx> vorlon: ack
[15:36] <cyphermox> notpandas notpandas notpandas notpandas... ;)
[15:36] <waveform> I can take pyzmq
[15:36] <tdaitx> let me know when it is ok to send my status
[15:36] <xnox> jajajjajjajj
[15:36] <rbalint> cron & systemd just needed a retrigger imo
[15:36] <vorlon> django-auto-one-to-one - xnox (and fyi last I knew django base packages were incompatible with python3.8)
[15:37] <vorlon> xnox: so you can have django-mailman3 also
[15:37] <xnox> har, i can do django
[15:37] <vorlon> gnudatalanguage - vorlon
[15:37] <doko> there's a django transition ongoing in debian
[15:37] <vorlon> gyoto - infinity
[15:37] <vorlon> hyperkitty - rbalint
[15:37] <vorlon> i3pystatus - waveform
[15:38] <vorlon> are we ok to assign out a single round, and ask people to self-organize to take a second package from the list when they get it done?
[15:38] <rbalint> +1
[15:38] <doko> +2
[15:38] <bdmurray> vorlon: self-organize and communicate where?
[15:39] <vorlon> #ubuntu-release, please
[15:39] <cyphermox> cool
[15:39] <bdmurray> sounds reasonable
[15:40] <bdmurray> Is that it regarding proposed-migration?
[15:40] <vorlon> doko, xnox: right, there was python-django 2:2.2.4-1 that was synced in eoan and then reverted because the transition wasn't ready to go; so step one is probably to merge it
[15:40] <vorlon> I think so for now
[15:40] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:40] <rbalint> bdmurray, and use update-excuse tag which i forgot from my weeklog!
[15:40] <bdmurray> but let's rewind so we can hear what tdaitx has been up to
[15:40] <tdaitx> * whoopsie security update (LP: #1830865)
[15:40] <tdaitx>   - introduced a regression + DoS daisy server
[15:40] <tdaitx>   - fixed regression and coordinated a bit with IS
[15:40] <tdaitx> * apport security fixes (LP: #1830862, LP: #1839795, LP: #1839413, LP: #1839415, LP: #1839420)
[15:40] <tdaitx> * getting multipass serial console to work to test LP: #1831252
[15:40] <tdaitx> Other:
[15:40] <tdaitx> - need more coffee and sleep
[15:41] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:41] <tdaitx> thanks bdmurray
[15:41] <rbalint> aob: i'm out tomorrow
[15:42] <bdmurray> and sil2100 is also out
[15:44] <bdmurray> alright thanks everybody
[15:44] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct 31 15:44:17 2019 UTC.
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-10-31-15.01.moin.txt
[15:44] <rbalint> o/


[04:28] <jmchaffie> anyone on?
[04:29] <jmchaffie> just have a quick update question... it worked but a program doesn't see it. Just need a point in the right direction...


[11:03] <ubotu> thanks redguy :)
[11:03] <delire> chrismy: it compiles fine on x86 here. what were the bugs?
[11:04] <aroman> dbernar1, however... http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/ <- how do you explain that? :S I can't
[11:04] <dbernar1> aroman: that one has it?
[11:04] <aroman> dbernar1, not when I add it to sources.list...
[11:05] <dbernar1> ok
[11:05] <aroman> dbernar1, but it shows it there in the web browser...
[11:05] <dbernar1> its not in extras atm, it seems.
[11:05] <dbernar1> just download it.
[11:05] <lyly> some one could give me a copy of the pluginreg.dat file? just to have a look
[11:06] <Tatster> hi - I have a small mount problem  - I have an entry in /etc/fstab that reads  /dev/sda1       /scsi           ext3    rw      0       0   however this does not get mounted at boot time. Any ideas what I should check?
[11:07] <chrismy> delire, not sure you ahve to ask ompaul. he is not here now i guess and he doesn't talk to me much
[11:07] <redguy> Tatster: you might check man fstab
[11:07] <redguy> Tatster: while reading that, you might want to look for auto option
[11:07] <pablasso> hi guys.. a question here, i can access any port of any computer, but for some reason i cant access port 80 (web pages port) what could it be besides a firewall?
[11:08] <chrismy> delire, ok i am on my own now......searching for bugs in blender codes.....sob sob....this is ridiculous!
[11:08] <sean_> router
[11:08] <sean_> pablasso, check ure router maybe?
[11:08] <tristanmike> aroman, are you running a 64bit system?
[11:08] <aroman> tristanmike, for the lat time, no... lol
[11:08] <leon> Anybody running Breezy?
[11:08] <pablasso> ya... i have checked it, another computer doesnt have problems just me
[11:08] <delire> chrismy: i doubt they are bugs, i am fairly sure they are libraries missing on your machine during the compilation process.
[11:09] <sean_> leon,  installing breezy as we speak
[11:09] <tristanmike> aroman, lol, sorry, I didn't see you see that...lol
[11:09] <tristanmike> *say
[11:09] <htrujillo> hi friends... i'm trying to install the jre but don't install
[11:09] <guupsta> lol?
[11:09] <htrujillo> i already add the extra repositories
[11:09] <chrismy> delire, can't cheat you eh...heheh. trying to be blender-wanna-be :P
[11:09] <aroman> tristanmike, it's okay, just that everyone has been asking that
[11:09] <htrujillo> but don't work
[11:09] <aroman> another victim..
[11:09] <vader1102> I won't install Breezy untill it is released in October
[11:09] <leon> sean_, do you get the warning of Color name 'black'
[11:09] <aroman> htrujillo, welcome to the club
[11:09] <htrujillo> hi
[11:09] <chrismy> delire, but i just do not know what and how....
[11:09] <tristanmike> aroman, lol, no problem, next time just smack me with a trout
[11:09] <htrujillo> lol
[11:09] <aroman> it seems there's some problems with backports..
[11:09] <ElBarono> is breezy usable now?
[11:09] <aroman> tristanmike, no need for that, not your fault
[11:10] <chrismy> Bone.h
[11:10] <delire> chrismy: well it's a shame you have to _compile_ blender. very few people compile blender anymore (other than developers).
[11:10] <htrujillo> some codecs have problems too
[11:10] <htrujillo> don't install
[11:10] <lyly> ElBarono: I'm using it now since colony 3 it s pretty goog
[11:10] <robotgeek> delire: ppl at #gentoo do it all the tim :)
[11:10] <robotgeek> /tim/time
[11:10] <delire> hehe
[11:10] <dbernar1> ya, the java sdk, not jre, is not there atm...
[11:10] <dbernar1> they have the sdk, not re.
[11:11] <ivanoden> dbernar1, i followed your guide but still can't install sun-j2re1.5
[11:11] <sean_> leon, no not yet, maybe when i reboot here in 20min
[11:11] <dbernar1> ivanoden: ya, its not working atm.
[11:11] <htrujillo> ivanoden... same problem
[11:11] <ivanoden> dbernar1, any idea?
[11:11] <dbernar1> you can make your own package easy, tho.
[11:11] <htrujillo> don't know what happens...
[11:11] <ivanoden> htrujillo, okie
[11:11] <leon> sean_, ok, thank you. This bug is hanging around for a while
[11:11] <ivanoden> not important
[11:11] <tristanmike> aroman, since you've tried a bit already, would it be wrong to assume that you haven't seen this thread... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59229&highlight=java
[11:11] <ivanoden> you can install your own
[11:11] <dbernar1> ivanoden: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java it has a link to show how to install java in a manual way, using chroot, and stuff.
[11:12] <ivanoden> thanks, i will install manually
[11:12] <sean_> leon, damn, ill have to keep a close eye out for it when i reboot here, im just finishing up the apt upgrade
[11:12] <aroman> tristanmike, oooh
[11:12] <tristanmike> aroman, comment #15 being the most important one
[11:13] <leon> sean_, all the updates just make breezy better so far
[11:13] <qatsi> hello everybody !....im having some trubbles with Ubuntu. I installed it, then installed windows and the mootloader was overwriten, so i cant acces my Ubuntu system. How can i install the grub loader again ???. Already tried with install disk, but it says that im skiping some steps and my system wont work and bla bla...any idea ?
[11:13] <aroman> tristanmike, I know I can build my own, but why doesn't this work, I wonder? bug in apt-get?  problem with backports? hmm
[11:14] <dbernar1> aroman: just not in the repo...
[11:14] <delire> qatsi: you'll need to use a LiveCD, chroot into your ubuntu partition and reinstall grub.
[11:14] <philips> Do I need to do anything if I add a file to /etc/modprobe.d ?  update-modules just calls update-modules.modutils which doesn't exists
[11:15] <tristanmike> aroman, I would have no idea, mine works fine as does many others, but it also seems that many others have a problem too, hardware related? :s
[11:15] <Stiivi> hi
[11:15] <sean_> leon, cool, breezys not far off now, should be almost stable id imagine
[11:15] <qatsi> delire ok, i know how to do that in Linux Gentoo, but in Ubuntu its an unknown matter for me. Is it something like chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash   then grub--no-floppy ?
[11:15] <aroman> tristanmike, hardware-related wouldn't make sense
[11:15] <Stiivi> i have problems with printing on a windows machine from ubuntu through samba
[11:16] <tristanmike> aroman, but neither does this really.....
[11:16] <Stiivi> it does not print
[11:16] <leon> sean_, it's my only production system. So far so good
[11:16] <Tatster41> Sorry - my connection got dumped - did anyone reply to my question about my mount problem
[11:16] <robotgeek> burning the live cd as we speak :)
[11:16] <Stiivi> /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip crashes
[11:16] <sean_> really leon? u run breezy as a production system? you got gonads :) props to you :)
[11:16] <Stiivi> does anyone have similar experienc?
[11:17] <bagpuss_thecat> does anyone fancy testing out my k3ddesktop package for ubuntu? :-p
[11:17] <vader1102> I tried SuSe on my p2 366 last night...yuk, it was a BEAST as in extremely SLOW lol
[11:17] <vader1102> <----sticks with Hoary
[11:17] <sean_> vader1102,  i run ubunutu on a 333celeron, runs great
[11:17] <leon> sean_, because I can ssh to unix workstation and rdp to windowx xp too.
[11:17] <philips> sean_: I run breezy on a production system too
[11:17] <bagpuss_thecat> http://lodge.glasgownet.com/?permalink=20050823214621 if anyone is interested
[11:17] <leon> philips, hands
[11:17] <sean_> wow :) cool guys, big kahunas :)
[11:17] <Gorth> hey guys is there a simple way to enable ssh in ubuntu??
[11:17] <delire> qatsi: not exactly no, just chroot / && grub-install should do it
[11:18] <delire> qatsi: from memory
[11:18] <qatsi> delire ok, thanx, ill do it :)
[11:18] <leon> philips, do you get a warning like this "Warning: Color name "balck" is not defined" when running 'xterm -fg black'
[11:18] <NoUse> !ssh
[11:18] <ubotu> from memory, ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/"
[11:19] <robotgeek> leon: u typed it wrong while issuing the command
[11:19] <vader1102> sean_ I am running it on my same laptop and I agree it is great
[11:19] <Gorth> thanks ubotu
[11:19] <Gorth> erm
[11:19] <Gorth> NoUse
[11:19] <NoUse> np
[11:19] <aroman> !randr
[11:19] <ubotu> No idea, aroman
[11:19] <aroman> !xrandr
[11:19] <ubotu> aroman: No idea
[11:20] <leon> rob^, typo
[11:20] <sammie> byeee
[11:21] <leon> rob^, xterm -fg black gives a similar warning
[11:21] <leon> rob^, and emacs won't start
[11:22] <Tatster41> my mount problem is I have an entry in /etc/fstab that reads   /dev/sda1       /scsi           ext3    rw      0       0   however it does not mount after a reboot.  Any ideas?
[11:22] <robotgeek> leon: why, did u lose a ctrl key?
[11:22] <codecaine> what's good place to learn what the +e and +tncP all means for irc status?
[11:23] <redguy> Tatster41: I answered your question once
[11:23] <leon> rob^, what ctrl key
[11:23] <delire> night all.
[11:23] <Tatster41> yeah my connection  got dumped right after I posted, so I missed it. Sorry.
[11:23] <robotgeek> leon: bad joke on emacs, sorry.
[11:24] <smite> hey, i set a command to be 1 in the gnome sessions startup dialog... and now gnome won't start... is there a way i can set it back to 50 or delete it?
[11:24] <hadi57> hi, anybody know if there a way to copy or synchronize shared smb folder on the network to local folder
[11:24] <robotgeek> smite: login using the default session in gdm
[11:24] <smite> robotgeek: ok
[11:24] <Tatster41> redguy: pls could you answer again!
[11:25] <redguy> Tatster41: read man fstab and look for a 'auto' option
[11:25] <leon> rob^, can you start emacs in breezy
[11:25] <gabi> hey ... got a prob with backports ... firfox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 update
[11:25] <smite> same error
[11:25] <Seveas> gabi, don't use the backports firefox...
[11:25] <smite> maybe i can log into fluxbox and start the sessions utility from the command line
[11:25] <Seveas> ubuntu has a real 1.0.6 in hoary-security
[11:25] <smite> ?
[11:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> every time my screen saver starts, it does something different, which is great, but when I see one I like, how do I know it's name?
[11:26] <robotgeek> smite: hmm, try it out and see if it works. else, someone will suggest something more drastic i guess
[11:26] <smite> aha, i logged into 'failsafe gnome' =D
[11:26] <vladuz976> anybody here uses e17?
[11:26] <cybx> > crimsum: thank you, that site worked for me!
[11:26] <robotgeek> smite: sorry, i meant that!
[11:27] <philips> how the heck do I disable F1 for gnome-help in gnome-terminal
[11:27] <NuWave> is there anyway i can load the hfsplus filesystem module on an x86 livecd of unbuntu? i'm trying to get the data off of a mac hdd that i have in a pc
[11:27] <gabi> which firefox then_
[11:27] <gabi> ?
[11:27] <Matooua> hi
[11:27] <robotgeek> philips: look at the keyboard shortcuts, Preferences -> KB Shortcuts
[11:28] <philips> robotgeek: it seems to only happen in gnome-terminal though
[11:28] <robotgeek> no idea, i don't use gnome terminal
[11:28] <philips> robotgeek: err actually in all gnome apps it does it
[11:29] <robotgeek> then it might be set in the kb shortcuts, disable it
[11:29] <philips> robotgeek: nope, it isn't in there
[11:29] <robotgeek> hmm, interesting and irritating at the same time. no idea, sorry!
[11:30] <robotgeek> maybe nautilus has something to do with that?
[11:30] <philips> robotgeek: it sucks when using vim
[11:30] <philips> robotgeek: constantly hit f1 instead of esc
[11:31] <robotgeek> philips: yeah, look at nautilus properties, i am hoping that something wud be there
[11:34] <carambol> is netcraft toolbar safe?
[11:34] <esc_ape> what are some good alternatives to nautilus?
[11:35] <carambol> gnomebaker?
[11:36] <carambol> graveman
[11:36] <chavo> esc_ape, a red hot stick in your eye
[11:36] <redguy> konqueror
[11:36] <tristanmike> pointed too
[11:36] <liquidfire> hey i just installed ubuntu in server mode
[11:36] <esc_ape> nautilus keeps crashing on me
[11:36] <hadi57> any body know any program to synchronize to folders on the network and on local driver?
[11:36] <liquidfire> but when i try to do apt-get i can't download any package
[11:37] <EasterSunshine> apt-get install apt-get?
[11:37] <liquidfire> hmm
[11:37] <liquidfire> i'll try
[11:37] <EasterSunshine> i was kidding...
[11:37] <redguy> liquidfire: how come? you have internet connectivity?
[11:37] <liquidfire> apt-get update/upgrade works
[11:37] <liquidfire> :/
[11:37] <liquidfire> I have
[11:37] <liquidfire> maybe i am missing some command
[11:37] <carambol> somebody has experiences with netcraft toolbar
[11:37] <liquidfire> i type sudo apt-get kdm
[11:37] <carambol> ?
[11:38] <liquidfire> it gives a error
[11:38] <redguy> liquidfire: try sudo apt-get install kdm
[11:38] <liquidfire> k
[11:38] <poningru> guys question
[11:38] <liquidfire> thanks redguy that worked
[11:38] <liquidfire> :)
[11:38] <liquidfire> Just started from the scratch hehe
[11:38] <poningru> why cant I take a screenshot when there is a drop down being selected?
[11:39] <liquidfire> don't want everything on it
[11:39] <poningru> for example
[11:39] <liquidfire> ^_^
[11:39] <redguy> liquidfire: do install from now on :-)
[11:39] <poningru> go to http://www.dhnet.ufl.edu/forums/search.php
[11:39] <poningru> and click on one of the drop down things
[11:39] <liquidfire> Thanks I will redguy :>
[11:39] <poningru> and press your print screen button on your keyboard
[11:39] <poningru> nothing happens
[11:40] <poningru> but if you get out of the drop down it allows you to press the print screen and takes a screen shot
[11:40] <poningru> anyone have ideas why this is happening?
[11:40] <supernix> Uptime: 17 hours and 48 minutes
[11:40] <poningru> should I file a bug?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> sweatybob, please turn off your away message
[11:41] <sweatybob> ok sorry.
[11:41] <redguy> poningru: you might, sounds like a bug to me
[11:42] <rem__> .
[11:42] <tristanmike> poningru, yeah, i see what you mean
[11:42] <rem__> join @ipcop
[11:42] <Stiivi> is here someone experiencd with samba printing?
[11:42] <vladuz976> what window managers do you guys use?
[11:42] <liquidfire-serve> :)
[11:42] <EasterSunshine> vladuz976: kde
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> Thanks redguy
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> once again
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> ;)
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> Playing a bit with the packages now :D
[11:43] <EasterSunshine> vladuz976: but fluxbox seems to be gaining popularity, i might try that soon
[11:43] <codecaine> anyone tell me where to get info about what the +tncP commands etc... mean on irc?
[11:43] <vladuz976> EasterSunshine, really? fluxbox is getting faster i heard
[11:43] <liquidfire-serve> whats fluxbox :o?
[11:43] <vladuz976> EasterSunshine, i used to have gnome but i didn't like it too much
[11:43] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: do you know about the rfc pages?
[11:43] <codecaine> yes
[11:43] <codecaine> i gotta read through those!
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> !info fluxbox
[11:44] <vladuz976> liquidfire, a window manager, pretty simple but good
[11:44] <ubuntu> The program "Wordpress" isn't availible in ubuntu?
[11:44] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[11:44] <butcherbird> fluxbox = bloated blackbox :)
[11:44] <liquidfire-serve> ah :)
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: i'm sure someone has summarized em for you somewhere though...the channel modes that is
[11:44] <liquidfire-serve> i'm trying to install kde what do i need besides kdm and kde ?
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> codecaine: the thing with that is that there will be some "unofficial" chan modes that the rfc doesn't set a standard for
[11:44] <newbie> What other program that does something similar to wordpress is there?
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> newbie: openoffice.org and kword
[11:45] <EasterSunshine> newbie: actually, ignore that, i don't know what wordpress is...
[11:45] <liquidfire-serve> because i'm talking with irssi now
[11:45] <tristanmike> lol
[11:45] <mike_douglas> Google's Jabber server is live, anyone with a Jabber ID want to test it?
[11:45] <liquidfire-serve> i'm trying to install kde what do i need besides kdm and kde ? Anyone :)/
[11:46] <liquidfire-serve> ./=?
[11:46] <newbie> EasterSunshine, I figured that out. It's a wiki-sort of program. Have a look at it here (www.blomkvist.nu) to see what it does. I'm looking for something similar in ubuntu. I don't want to install anything.
[11:46] <newbie> EasterSunshine, ...install anything outside of the dpkg-tree.
[11:46] <Fingolfinn> hey do any of you have experience dual booting PPC ubuntu from an external hardrive
[11:46] <EasterSunshine> liquidfire: just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:47] <tristanmike> newbie, it's a blogging tool?
[11:47] <EasterSunshine> liquidfire: that will take care of dependencies and stuff
[11:47] <newbie> tristanmike, Sort of, I guess.
[11:47] <martinald> hi guys. is it possible to do an ftp install?
[11:47] <mary-kate> can someone please tell sammie that their nickname is already registered?
[11:47] <mary-kate> that i was the one who registered it?
[11:47] <EasterSunshine> newbie: i had read it as wordprossesor...
[11:48] <tristanmike> newbie, i don't know anything about that program, but a search in synaptic turned up blogtk
[11:48] <newbie> EasterSunshine, I understand. I first read it as WorLdPress which didn't make much sense either.
[11:48] <newbie> tristanmike, I'll have a look at blogtk then. =)
[11:48] <tristanmike> newbie, http://blogtk.sourceforge.net/
[11:48] <poningru> curses
[11:49] <poningru> are there any screenshot taking apps out there?
[11:49] <poningru> err the reps
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-screenshot
[11:49] <poningru> yeah thats not working
[11:49] <butcherbird> connection keeps dropping anyone tell me real quick how to do a constant ping? in windows/dos i would do 'ping -t'
[11:49] <poningru> take a look at my above conversation
[11:49] <poningru> from about 17:38
[11:49] <poningru> edt
[11:49] <newbie> tristanmike, Hmm, looks like blogtk is a helper app for programs like "Wordpress"... ;-)
[11:50] <poningru> HrdwrBoB: it seems to be a bug
[11:50] <tristanmike> newbie, oh, sorry
[11:50] <tristanmike> poningru, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12407
[11:50] <tristanmike> poningru, someone was just as annoyed as you
[11:50] <newbie> tristanmike, No worries. I came here for some help and any help is appreciated. =)
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: ah
[11:51] <EasterSunshine> mary-kate: /msg nickserv ghost the_nick_you_want_to_kill password
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: use gimp
[11:51] <tristanmike> newbie, but have a search in synaptic and change "look in" to name and description
[11:51] <tristanmike> newbie, if you don't know all ready that is :)
[11:51] <nalioth> EasterSunshine: heh, that is amusing
[11:52] <poningru> hmm let me try gimp
[11:52] <EasterSunshine> nalioth: err...why?
[11:52] <dmoyne> hello ! : I eventually succeded in connecting a Windows XP computer to a printer connected to a Linux computer where both machines are connected to a local network through a router ; to get the printer connected to the Windows machine I had to do this (a) "http://<server IP>:631/printers/name_of_printer" whereas the FAQ says  (b) "ipp://<server IP>/printers/name_of_printer" ! ; why can I not connect with (b) option ? ; is ipp protocole unk
[11:52] <sean_> what are the chances of my USB Zip drive working?
[11:52] <newbie> tristanmike, I'm all new to ubuntu and gnome. I've never used synaptic before. =)
[11:53] <tristanmike> newbie, cool, someone put me on to that idea about a week ago
[11:53] <EasterSunshine> sean_: it probably wont work immediately, but if you try at it for a couple of minutes, you will probably get it
[11:54] <poningru> ok yeah gimp worked thanks guys
[11:54] <vader1102> Gimp alwys works lol
[11:55] <tristanmike> ha
[11:55] <flugh> gimp is the stuff of legends
[11:55] <flugh> tyler durden uses gimp
[11:55] <tristanmike> lol
[11:55] <lillylegsandtoes> what is the comand for delete?
[11:55] <codecaine> rm
[11:55] <tristanmike> rm
[11:55] <lillylegsandtoes> thanks
[11:56] <Fingolfinn> come on, looking for people with experience dual booting PPC ubuntu on a firewire drive
[11:56] <Fingolfinn> please help lol
[11:57] <airmikey_> im trying to unzip theses rar files
[11:57] <EasterSunshine> lillylegsandtoes: you should alias rm='rm -i' so it will prompt you before deleting so that you will be safe and not delete lartge amounts of files by accident
[11:57] <newbie> tristanmike, It appears that wordpress is availible in universe. =)
[11:57] <tristanmike> good point EasterSunshine
[11:57] <EasterSunshine> airmikey_: do you know about unrar-nonfree?
[11:57] <airmikey_> i loaded both but not working
[11:58] <tristanmike> newbie, D'oh! never even checked there for THAT program specifically
[11:58] <kijo> is any1 using this "eluminX Illuminated Keyboard" ?
[11:58] <tristanmike> newbie, and if I had've scrolled down to the end, I woulda seen it, *shaking head in shame of himself*
[11:58] <feenster> Quick question from a complete newbie. How can I change the display resoloution of my Ubuntu live CD? Its too low at the moment
[11:59] <mary-kate> don't people identify to nickserv here?
[11:59] <ray_> ibm is giving code to firefox to help for 1.5
[11:59] <EasterSunshine> mary-kate: i identified to nickserv...if you don't, i think he'll change your nick to Guest40801 in like a minute
[11:59] <mary-kate> no it won't
[11:59] <mary-kate> already tried


[12:08] <daftykins> it just had to be done...
[12:10] <diddledan> o_O
[12:10] <diddledan> I don't understand what that video is
[12:11] <daftykins> well i just got the phone from ebay in the post this morning - and i've put the 24 (TV series) common ringtone on it! ;)
[12:11] <daftykins> i.e. super sad but what are you gonna do...
[12:11] <diddledan> aha
[12:11] <daftykins> having to balance it on a small box though as it didn't come with a stand :(
[12:16] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Thanks, I wasn't the only one then.
[12:17] <diddledan> speaking of 24, there's a new jack-bower-less version running now
[12:17] <TwistedLucidity> Enthusiam underflow, please insert biscuits.
[12:18] <daftykins> yeah, i've not seen but know it's going on - "24: Legacy" or something
[12:18] <diddledan> buffer underrun was the bane of CD writing
[12:18] <daftykins> "it doesn't matter who we are" </Bane>
[12:19] <daftykins> yeah cor, rewind a good number of years and a client of mine was backing up to DVD-Rs on a *USB* optical drive his old IT guy put in lazily, had to have every single program closed to write the disc and it'd still create coasters
[12:21] <daftykins> didn't take me long to retire that task...
[13:04]  * zmoylan-pi remembers installing tape drives back in days of dos when you'd find a customer using ms dos backup to backup their data onto 20+ floppies every week
[13:08] <popey> :)
[13:08] <popey> Me too.
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> even using pkzip to write to span floppies would have cut that down to 6-7 in most cases
[13:11] <SuperMatt> And then you'd find one of the floppies was corrupted and you'd have to cry forever
[13:11] <popey> heh, pkzip...
[13:12] <popey> I used to carry round a floppy disk called "Tools" which had all the famous archive tools. pkarc, pkzip, arj, lharc, all the greats ! :)
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> mine was labelled utils... :-)
[13:13] <Cueball> I had a tools Floppy disk too :-)
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> which was then a sub directory on a cd-rom called util-cd... :-D
[13:13] <popey> I separated utils and tools using some weird criteria
[13:13] <popey> I think I eventually split them into utils, tools, and compress for compression tools
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> and i kept some of the tools on my psion so that in case of wonky floppy drive i could copy them on via serial...
[13:14] <popey> One day I moved from floppy to Iomega 100MB zip drives, and put it all on one blue plastic disk, happy days
[13:14] <popey> hah, brilliant
[13:14] <SuperMatt> 100 whole megabites! Those were the days :)
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> ah zip disks... i came to zip disks late as we used ls-120 floppies first till they stopped making them
[13:14] <popey> oooh, never saw a ls-120
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> fully backwards compatible with normal floppy disks
[13:15] <popey> my first job had giant bernouli disks (and a Data general 'mainframe' with big winchester disks)
[13:15] <popey> that got decommissioned soon after I arrived, but I did have to learn the bootstrap process of flipping switches
[13:15]  * zmoylan-pi remembers oohing and ahhhing over the disk pak change on the school vax...
[13:16] <popey> don't think I ever touched a vax either
[13:16] <popey> only the terminals
[13:18] <Cueball> My boot floppy back then had some nice menus that were generated using config.sys and autoexec.bat.
[13:18] <popey> oooh, menus
[13:18] <popey> get you! :)
[13:18] <Cueball> Started off simple then grew to fit extra needs.
[13:19] <Cueball> As for tape drives i never actually used them in DOS days. Never had one until i moved to Linux.
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> we had a bunch of accounting software and point of sales software for video shops that stayed in dos as no one liked the windows alternatives
[13:23] <daftykins> :>
[13:27] <Cueball> My first PC was an IBM PS/2 286 CPU and 3mb memory. 1mb on board and a 2mb riser card which went into the MCA slot.
[13:28] <Cueball> Similar to this one....
[13:28]  * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of mca and casts ward evil
[13:28] <Cueball> http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_60041/
[13:28] <foobarry> when you have to wear headphones because the guy wearing headphones is whistling and stamping his feet :|
[13:29] <daftykins> ooh-err
[13:29]  * zmoylan-pi hands foobarry laser to shine at plonker every time they do it...
[13:56] <foobarry> debating whether to buy a touchstone charger for my ancient touhcpad tablet
[13:56] <foobarry> knowing it will be useless once the tablet dies
[13:57] <popey> do you still use that tablet?
[13:57] <daftykins> ah i've got one of those knocking around still, untouched
[13:57] <foobarry> popey: yes
[13:58] <foobarry> nougat has a deep sleep mode
[13:58] <foobarry> lasts well
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> touchstone... untouched... is it in your irony box? :-)
[13:58] <foobarry> use it on the train to read free magazines from my library via zinio
[13:58] <foobarry> sync up teh magz once a month and turn off wifi etc
[14:00] <foobarry> also have a hudl2 for home use (mainly watching videos on the lovely screen)
[18:02] <diddledan> I do wish Ubuntu Security Announcements to the ML would tell me what a package is/does when they announce a patch. I'd like to see at a glance whether it's likely to be something I have installed or otherwise care about patching immediately. Like the latest one Pillow - wtf is that?!
[18:03] <diddledan> maybe they should state whether something is installed by default, too
[18:04] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tdPWx9WC/
[18:04] <diddledan> I guess they got the name wrong then
[18:05] <diddledan> I do see now that I look harder that there is a three word description of the package on the announcement "Python Imaging Library"
[18:05] <diddledan> so do I have that installed?
[18:05] <diddledan> am I using it?
[18:05] <popey> that may be the source package
[18:05] <popey> which builds some other binary package / library
[18:05] <popey> python-pil - Python Imaging Library (Pillow fork)
[18:06] <diddledan> I think it'ld be nice to state whether something is default installation or not tho so that we can determine likelihood of it being installed without having to go hunting
[18:07] <diddledan> seems I do have python3-pil installed
[18:07] <diddledan> no idea why
[18:09] <diddledan> I miss the days when we knew what was installed and why
[18:11] <popey> aptitiude why <packagename>
[18:11] <popey> variety needs it here, the wallpaper changer
[18:11] <diddledan> The program 'aptitude' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install aptitude :-p
[18:12] <diddledan> maybe I should go back to Gentoo :-p
[18:12]  * diddledan throws his toys from the pram
[18:13] <diddledan> I think I must be turning into a grouch :-o
[18:13]  * diddledan waits for the comment "turning?"
[18:15] <diddledan> at least the other two I know what they are - libevent and libicu
[18:17] <diddledan> changing subjects completely: UEFI - I wonder how long it'll be before there's a Linux.efi build which runs the kernel directly on the firmware without the grub intermediary
[18:19] <diddledan> already done according to wiki: EFI Boot Stub makes it possible to boot a Linux kernel image without the use of a conventional UEFI boot loader. By masquerading itself as a PE/COFF image and appearing to the firmware as a UEFI application, an x86 kernel image with EFI Boot Stub enabled can be directly loaded and executed by a UEFI firmware. Such kernel
[18:19] <diddledan> images can still be loaded and run by BIOS-based boot loaders; thus, EFI Boot Stub allows a single kernel image to work in any boot environment.[5]
[18:19] <diddledan> cite: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/efi-stub.txt
[18:21] <diddledan> wat. systemd-boot (formally gummiboot).. since when did systemd borg a bootloader?!
[19:22] <davmor2> diddledan: indeed see Jon Masters response to it on google+
[19:23] <diddledan> davmor2: the borging?
[19:23] <davmor2> diddledan: yeap he is not happy
[19:26] <davmor2> diddledan: https://plus.google.com/+JonMasters/posts/7vHeQ3k35iK
[19:27] <diddledan> yeah, I just found it at the same time you linked
[19:27] <diddledan> oh dear :-p


[08:13] <fabbione> BenC: still around?
[08:14] <fabbione> or kylem..
[10:10] <fabbione> BenC: FYI i did push gfs1 update to the repo on rookery as described on the wiki.. i think it's ok.. if it's not fix the wiki :P
[10:10] <fabbione> have fun dude
[02:28] <BenC> fabbione: Thanks
[03:09] <shashi_sa>  Hi All , i have few ubuntu boxes , sometimes disk failes in our servers, at that time , if we look at log  files , we observe scsi id's , like sd08:12 . My questions , where i can find a map file which conatins mapping of scsi ids corresponds to which partition/disk ?
[03:38] <BenC> shashi_sa: Generally you go by info in /proc/scsi/
[03:38] <BenC> shashi_sa: There should be a mapping for the bus/target/lun in there
[03:38] <shashi_sa> K
[03:39] <mjg59> 08:12 looks like major/minor
[03:39] <BenC> If you have more than one bus, then it can be a little ambiguous, but hopefully your scsi bus's don't contain the exact same devices in that case :)
[03:39] <mjg59> shashi_sa: If you ls -l /dev/sda1, it'll be 08:01
[03:39] <mjg59> Other partitions should have similar numbering
[03:41] <kylem> it's complicated...
[03:47] <shashi_sa> I know about this , but scsi files mention only  bus/target/lun information , but the message i am getting are like sd08:17 sd08:12
[03:48] <mjg59> shashi_sa: Check the major and minor numbers on the device nodes
[03:48] <shashi_sa> K
[03:48] <BenC> shashi_sa: Also, dmesg on boot should show the bus/target/lun during the probe, and show the /dev/sdXX to go with it, which should help you map them
[03:50] <shashi_sa> brw-rw----    1 root     disk       8,   1 Mar 19  2002 /dev/sda1
[03:51] <mjg59> shashi_sa: So sda1 is 08:01
[03:51] <mjg59> shashi_sa: Now you get to check which is 08:12
[03:52] <kylem> 08:12 is always going to be sda12...
[03:52] <mjg59> kylem: Where does sdb start?
[03:52] <kylem> 08:16
[03:53] <kylem> it's maj:16*n
[03:53] <mjg59> Ah, right. I couldn't remember how many partitions we supported on scsi
[03:53] <kylem> there's a lot of scsi majors, but the first 16 disks are all on 8.
[03:57] <shashi_sa> No , if i am getting errors like sd08:17 sd08:12 , but i don't partitions only upto 6 . sdb6 is my last partition
[03:58] <shashi_sa> I don't have 12 or 16 partitions in my disk , i have only 6 partitions on each and evry disk
[04:03] <shashi_sa> K , are you guys saying "if it is sd08:<16 , then it is first hard disk , and if it is sd08:>=16 , then it is second disk" ?
[04:05] <kylem> /proc/scsi/scsi should tell you what you need. are these sata or pata disks?
[04:06] <shashi_sa> Attached devices:
[04:06] <shashi_sa> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
[04:06] <shashi_sa>   Vendor: SEAGATE  Model: ST336607LC       Rev: 6D01
[04:06] <shashi_sa>   Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI SCSI revision: 03
[04:06] <shashi_sa> scsi disks
[04:12] <shashi_sa> But looks like /proc/partitions file contains all information what i am looking for
[04:12] <kylem> ah. ok.
[04:15] <shashi_sa> But still i am not understanding , i got 35k errors on sd08:12 , but i don't have 12 partitions on my disk , even /proc/partitions file don't contains 8 12 word , so still i am not understanding sd08:12 refres to which disk/partition ?
[05:25] <zul> time for chilli
[05:26] <Nafallo> time for wine (no, not software. I'm on x86_64.)


[08:14] <Guest96848> hello
[08:20] <EL> any body home
[08:21] <EL> I got a problem when I follow the instructions on the web "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM"
[08:30] <EL> When I start QEMU-ARM , I can't input correctly.
[08:30] <EL> press A key, show 'u'
[08:30] <EL> press J key, show 'Enter'
[08:30] <EL> Any suggestion?
[08:50] <lool> EL: It might default to US keymap until you setup the console properly
[08:53] <EL> Thanks your answer
[08:53] <EL> But my keyboard should be US keymap.
[08:53] <lool> Then no idea; that's weird; is this under the linux console (in the the vm) or under Xorg?
[08:54] <EL> linux console
[08:54] <EL> I think it may cause by QEMU
[08:55] <EL> I use 0.9.1 version of QEMU
[08:55] <lool> You could try passing an explicit -k us, but it works fine here usually
[08:55] <lool> Ah you're not using Ubuntu's
[08:55] <lool> We have 0.9.1+svn20081112-1ubuntu1 in Ubuntu ATM
[08:55] <EL> ^^
[08:55] <EL> I don't
[08:56] <EL> Where can I download it?
[08:56] <lool> It's likely to be your qemu indeed
[08:56] <lool> Are you running Ubuntu?
[08:56] <EL> I think so
[08:56] <EL> ya
[08:56] <lool> Which version?
[08:56] <EL> 0810
[08:56] <EL> use VMWare
[08:56] <EL> ha~
[08:56] <lool> Eh
[08:57] <EL> WinXP -> VMWare -> ubuntu -> QEMU -> arm-linux
[08:57] <EL> It's my test platform
[08:57] <lool> Unfortunately, we don't have a newer qemu for Ubuntu 8.10 in the "backports", you could ask for a backport, try to build one yourself, try using the 9.04 version, or build qemu manually
[08:58] <EL> ok
[08:58] <lool> If you don't care to create an unstable VM, you could also install 9.04 in a new vmware vm and see whether its qemu helps
[08:58] <EL> Thank you very much
[08:58] <lool> But 9.04 isn't stable yet
[08:58] <EL> see
[08:59] <EL> Are you a staff of ubuntu?
[09:05] <EL> I never build deb from source. Any suggection?
[09:06] <lool> EL: There are indications on how to achieve that in the wiki
[09:08] <lool> EL: Check e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[09:08] <EL> Thank you again :)
[09:17] <EL> hello ogra
[09:17] <EL> I had send a mail to you for a problem I met.
[09:17] <EL> And I got some suggection here.
[09:28] <EL> I can't rebuild QEMU from "http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/q/qemu/qemu_0.9.1+svn20081112.orig.tar.gz"
[09:28] <EL> debuild don't work
[09:28] <EL> any suggection?
[09:28] <lool> EL: The actual error would help
[09:30] <EL> It say: cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!
[09:30] <EL> Are you in the source code tree?
[09:30] <lool> So are you in the source tree?
[09:30] <lool> You need the full Debian source, not just the .tar.gz
[09:31] <EL> ok
[09:33] <lool> EL: dget -x http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/q/qemu/qemu_0.9.1+svn20081112-1ubuntu1.dsc
[09:38] <lool> haha the DB9 gender changers I received are "USA PATENT 5199906"
[09:38] <lool> 9 straight wires, wow, that certainly deserves a patent
[09:40] <ogra> mine is made in china ... no patent print on it :)
[09:41] <ogra> i actually didnt recognize that yet, i thought it has to be printed on all of them
[09:41]  * ogra joked about the gender changing patent a decade ago already when he first recognized that print
[09:43] <ogra> ah, seems ports.u.c is on track again, finally the alpha images show up there
[09:45] <EL> Sorry, another question: how to apply XXX.diff to XXX.orig
[09:45] <EL> I got two files from "dget -x http://port...."
[09:52] <lool> EL: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[09:53]  * ogra points at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete ... might be helpful to read that
[09:53] <EL> ok
[09:53] <EL> thanks
[12:32]  * Stskeeps ponders idly why bootchart package isn't seperated into bootchart data gathering and pretty chart generation
[12:33] <Stskeeps> (i really don't want to install a jre to get a bootchart.)
[12:47] <ogra> ask Keybuk (in #ubuntu-devel)
[12:48] <ian_brasil> Stskeeps: http://code.google.com/p/pybootchartgui/
[12:50] <lool> Stskeeps: It should really be split, I know of other scripts (e.g. ubootchart) which generate compatible data and would like to depend on the generation side
[12:53] <Stskeeps> ian_brasil: ah, i'm interested in the data gathering, generation i can do on faster machines :P
[12:59] <ogra> Stskeeps, if you want Keybuk to react its very clever to include some info in your ping ;)
[12:59] <Stskeeps> hehe


[11:18] <Laney> hmm
[11:18] <Laney> Is it expected that things being built against the s390x bootstrap archive are getting held in proposed?
[11:19] <Laney> For example texlive-binaries got a dependency on libpoppler56 which it got from the bootstrap archive, and now britney is (correctly) saying it is uninstallable
[11:21] <Laney> ...It would actually want a rebuild for the poppler transition on s390x, but poppler isn't built yet
[11:58] <cjwatson> Mirv: Looks like qtbase-opensource-src build-depends on publicsuffix, which is in universe.  Could you sort out an MIR?
[11:58] <cjwatson> That's needed for Laney's request, via a couple of layers
[11:58] <Laney> I just asked him in #ubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <Laney> but thanks
[11:58] <Laney> Think it should be a trivial MIR
[11:59] <Mirv> cjwatson: darn, yes, I'll file a MIR
[11:59] <infinity> I could toss a bootstrap build of qtbase-opensource-src from the release pocket into a bootstrap repo.  Maybe.
[11:59] <Laney> You could pre-promote publicsuffix based on its triviality ;)
[12:00] <xnox> Mirv, cause without that, i can't build qtbase-opensource-src in proposed on s390x, and then i can't build new poppler, and the world is sad, and -proposed will pile up =)
[12:00] <infinity> Laney: Looking now.
[12:00] <Laney> Ta
[12:01] <infinity> Yeah.
[12:01] <infinity> I'm not on the team anymore, but happy to pre-promote.
[12:01] <infinity> It's a single data file. :P
[12:01] <cjwatson> And sigh, if I'd realised ghc and haskell-* were going to be uploaded overnight I'd have sync-blacklisted them.
[12:01] <cjwatson> Now I get to rebuild everything.
[12:01] <xnox> infinity, NB! _and_ a symlink =)
[12:03] <Laney> Hopefully qtbase builds
[12:03] <infinity> It had a single test failure in the previous version.
[12:03] <infinity> Maybe this one's happier.
[12:03] <infinity> Fingers crossed.
[12:04] <xnox> yeah, there were weird QtFile test suite failures, with long 240+ characters file names, on a debian kernel...
[12:04] <xnox> and different toolchain...
[12:05] <xnox> and i see more qtbase being built in landing-032 again ?!
[12:07] <Laney> Silos might need s390x turned on, if that's an explicit knob
[12:08] <xnox> wgrant, ^
[12:08] <xnox> Laney, i think it is a knob
[12:09] <Mirv> Laney: xnox: cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/publicsuffix/+bug/1522811
[12:10]  * Laney adds s390x to transition-tracker
[12:10] <Laney> Mirv: ta
[12:14] <cjwatson> Laney: It is, but we want to let the bootstrap finish first
[12:14] <cjwatson> There's always going to be a slightly ambiguous period
[12:15] <cjwatson> But let's not confuse people with a bazillion dep-waits
[12:18] <Laney> As you wish
[12:22] <infinity> I was probably going to turn on s390x in silos early next week.
[12:22] <infinity> Once we've made sure most of our stack kinda builds.
[12:29] <xnox> building qtbase-opensource-src in a nonvirt ppa, with universe enabled, s390x build to see if it will build. (thus not waiting publicsuffix mir)
[12:55] <infinity> xnox: it's already building in the primary archive.
[12:57] <Laney>  Totals: 55 passed, 1 failed, 0 skipped, 0 blacklisted
[12:57] <Laney> ********* Finished testing of tst_LargeFile *********
[12:57] <Laney> Makefile:573: recipe for target 'check' failed
[13:01] <xnox> as usual.
[13:01] <xnox> oh but qfile did pass.
[13:02] <infinity> #if defined(__x86_64__)
[13:02] <infinity>         QEXPECT_FAIL("", "fails on 64-bit Linux (QTBUG-21175)", Abort);
[13:02] <infinity> #endif
[13:02] <infinity> WORST IFDEF EVER.
[13:02] <infinity> Fails on 64-bit Linux, so we'll exclude only one 64-bit arch.
[13:04] <infinity> And before anyone asks "but, how does it work on arm64 and ppc64el then?"
[13:04] <infinity> # Skip tests on the archs they are known to be flaky  with current configuration
[13:04] <infinity> testskip_architectures := arm64 powerpc ppc64el
[13:04] <infinity> Brilliant in so many ways.
[13:05] <infinity> Anyhow, someone fix either the ifdef in the test (preferred) or the excluded test arches (ick), and you're golden.
[13:05] <infinity> Mirv, xnox: ^
[13:05] <xnox> infinity, i have chroot up with qtbase, i was working on excluding individual tests, and marking htem expect fail
[13:05] <xnox> infinity, cause most tests do pass.
[13:06] <infinity> xnox: There's only one failing test.
[13:06] <infinity> xnox: And there's already an ifdef there to exclude it on amd64.  That's what I was pointing out. :P
[13:06] <xnox> infinity, thanks. i was fixing broken schroot on debian, that doesn't support too-new kernel with too new overlayfs expected options =)
[13:07] <infinity> xnox: Use aufs?
[13:07] <xnox> infinity, and there might be more tests after it, as the build is done without -k
[13:07] <xnox> infinity, phhhh, i'm hipster.
[13:09] <Mirv> infinity: xnox: my next upload will make the archs to run tests on opt-in instead of opt-out, so xnox can then later eg add s390x when it passes
[13:09] <xnox> Mirv, please no, i want to run tests on s390x.
[13:10] <xnox> or keep it enabled, i'll upload direct to archive, rather than silo to get it building and migrating.
[13:10] <xnox> most of them pass on s390x, it's not a new platform, but a solid one.
[13:10] <cjwatson> Well, opt-in is still good, you can just add s390x to the list.
[13:10] <Mirv> xnox: well it's better to specify which architectures to run on, but I'll gladly add s390x there if you have the changes by that time
[13:10] <xnox> Mirv, yeap.
[13:12] <infinity> Mirv: The line I pointed out above is obviously wrong anyway.
[13:13] <infinity> Mirv: When the comment says "doesn't work on 64-bit" and then it only excludes on 64-bit arch. :P
[13:13] <infinity> Mirv: Especially since Qt pretty much has to have some is_64bit macro or something that's used in, like, the entire codebase...
[13:13] <infinity> s/excludes on/excludes one/
[13:19] <Mirv> infinity: sure it's wrong. upstream CI is x86+armhf only so they probably do things like that in tests at times unfortunately
[13:33] <cjwatson> right, I'm going to cancel all the haskell builds that are still "needs building", partly to get queues under control a bit more and partly because they're mostly going to need rebuilds anyway
[15:02] <xnox> proposed-migrations says that zipl-installer is not installable, yet i don't see how or why =(
[15:14] <cjwatson> xnox: with all the virtual dependencies in use in the installer, it's probably fallout from something earlier on, maybe partman-base not being installable
[15:16] <cjwatson> xnox: a lot of things should get less ridiculously difficult to unpick once a new kernel lands
[15:17] <xnox> ack.
[15:17] <xnox> well i added -proposed and -release, debian-installer bits and e.g. zipl-installer is installable, so it's okish. i guess it just doesn't migrate on it's own then.
[15:19] <cjwatson> xnox: It transitively depends on kernel udebs, so until they're migratable, migrating zipl-installer would increase the installability count by one
[15:20] <cjwatson> Even though it's basically for an existing reason
[16:21] <apw> cjwatson, fyi i just released the 4.3 kernel
[16:24] <cjwatson> apw: oh good, thanks
[16:50] <xnox> where is autopackage test page?
[16:50] <xnox> ...
[16:50] <xnox> why did i cause new binaries for procps.... /me looks
[16:51] <xnox> abi bump, sigh.
[17:47] <xnox> E: Invalid Release signature (key id 40976EAF437D05B5) -> i hate the world
[20:07] <xnox> tst_QImage 1 failed, tst_QtJson 1 failed, tst_QLogging 11 failed,
[20:07] <xnox> =(