[00:15] <TLF> hello
[00:15] <BUGabundo> hey TLF
[00:15] <TLF> using grub2 from alpha6 I'm unable to view boot menu, it just boots into ubuntu
[00:15] <TLF> what can I do?
[00:16] <Tallken> TLF: not sure, but someone mentioned holding SHIFT on the forums
[00:16] <BUGabundo> try SHIFT
[00:17] <BUGabundo> left shift to be more correct
[00:17] <BUGabundo> but even I, is having trouble getting it right
[00:19] <TLF> it works, thank you very much to both
[00:20] <TLF> but, may I ask, are there any options to change this behavior in grub.conf?
[00:20] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:28] <drs305> TLF: Edit /etc/default/grub
[00:28] <compintuit> Can I install Alpha6 over alpha5 without formating
[00:29] <BUGabundo> compintuit: sure
[00:29] <BUGabundo> just choose NOT to format
[00:30] <compintuit> A y packages left? I want to at least get rid of usplash
[00:30] <compintuit> Any*
[00:30] <BUGabundo> a
[00:30] <BUGabundo> ah?
[00:31] <drs305> TLF: You still here?
[00:31] <compintuit> Will it remove the old packages?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> not sure actually
[00:32] <BUGabundo> AFAIK it should leave you with a clean instal
[00:32] <BUGabundo> plus user space settings
[00:32] <compintuit> Ah heck I'll just reformat, lucky if it boots!
[00:32] <compintuit> Oh, /home is on another partition
[00:55] <TLF> drs305: yes
[00:55] <TLF> drs305: it's commenting a line, isn't it?
[00:55] <drs305> TLF: The default is to hide the menu unless you have another OS. Edit /etc/default/grub  Uncomment the GRUB_TIMEOUT=  line.    I assume it's commented ...
[00:58] <drs305> TLF: It's possible it's deactivated in another manner, but the comment would be my guess.
[00:58] <TLF> ok
[00:58] <TLF> I'll check and try, thanks :)
[00:59] <drs305> If the line is missing completely, just add it
[01:03] <Rods_Tiger> well, that's a disappointing day. Installed karmic, only to discover google gadgets can't work on it. Tomorrow I'll have to reinstall back to 9.04 which does work with google gadgets.
[01:07] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, yeah, that's a bummer. Alphas are rough
[01:08] <vladanian> I tried compiling that new version on my karmic system, but it wouldn't finish
[01:26] <maccam94> i'm having trouble with my intel 5300 wifi card
[01:27] <maccam94> it won't connect to my wide channel N network
[01:27] <maccam94> it seems to try to connect in G mode
[01:28] <Lars_G> Ok it seems the .fdi file that xorg used is part of hal and hald right?
[01:28] <Lars_G> So i guess it's using HAL now.
[01:28] <Lars_G> my question is, how does HAL determine a device name for a match?
[01:28] <vladanian> Dang, Rods_Tiger just logged off, but it looks like the Qt version of google gadgets runs just fine on karmic
[01:29] <vladanian> don't know why I'm debugging this. I should go home  :)
[01:32] <maccam94> whooooo kernel panic
[01:45] <Rods_Tiger> how do I get settings for shared folders to actually stay in 'shares-admin'? Each time I set it all up, the next time I go into it theres nothing there.
[01:45] <Rods_Tiger> it's as if it's ignoring everything I do, or forgetting it.
[01:52] <Lars_G> Omg
[01:53] <Lars_G> I joined linux because of /proc
[01:53] <Lars_G> and now hal... hal is so beautyfull!
[01:53] <Bookman> I just upgraded my test laptop to 9.10 Alpha 5 and it is getting stuck when trying to boot at starting NFS kernel daemon.  It just sits there and never goes any further.  I did notice that above it, "starting NFS common utilities" failed.  Twice.
[01:55] <Cynthia> Bookman: Alpha 6 is released, could you see if this fixes your problems?
[01:55] <Cynthia> er, problem, rather
[01:56] <Lars_G> ah
[01:56] <Lars_G> Cynthia: was it released today?
[01:56] <Bookman> Cynthia: Actually I did not now that.  I just did a fresh upgrade tonight so I may just be running that!  What kernel level is it using?
[01:56] <Bookman> 2.6.31-10?
[01:56] <Cynthia> uname -a says: Linux voltorb 2.6.31-10-generic
[01:56] <Bookman> Ok, same
[01:56] <Cynthia> actually, full output: Linux voltorb 2.6.31-10-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 16 01:09:15 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:57] <Cynthia> see the compilation date, it might be Sep 10 even for <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:57] <Bookman> I will check....although tough to see if it won't boot!
[01:57] <Bookman> All I can do is look in /boot to see what the latest rev is
[01:58] <Bookman> With another install O/S
[01:58] <Dai> or a live cd
[01:58] <Cynthia> Bookman: you could always burn the Alpha6 disc on this computer you're using and reinstall unconditionally
[01:58] <Cynthia> it's not the best solution, but it is one
[01:58] <jdo> I have dual monitors, does anyone know how to adjust the graphic at startup (after login) so it's on one of the monitors instead of split between them?
[01:59] <Bookman> Cynthia: yes but I'd really like to see what the problem is.  That kind of is the point of trying Alpha releases, no?
[01:59] <Bookman> :)
[01:59] <jdo> Bookman, I used the cd to chroot into my system and I was able to repair it
[01:59] <Cynthia> yes Bookman, but maybe the problem was already fixed, and it would be pointless to report it after Alpha6 when it's an A5 bug
[01:59] <Cynthia> see if A6 still does it, then you can try to debug
[02:00] <Cynthia> Canonical devs made a lot of fixes to Upstart and the boot process in general this week.
[02:00] <Bookman> let me see....
[02:05] <mostafa_> can anyone help me I get this error when i want to transfer a file via bluetooth
[02:05] <mostafa_> Couldn't execute command: nautilus --no-default-window "obex://[00:1F:00:BA:0E:8F]"
[02:09] <Lars_G> because there was a large load of updates to download today
[02:09] <Lars_G> Btw I finally got my touchpad working as I wanted as well! I'll try rebooting and if the fdi file works well I'll eb so happy!
[02:10] <AirBender> cool, finally
[02:13] <Amaranth> I wonder what we're going to do about customizing mouse settings when hal is gone?
[02:13] <Amaranth> back to xorg.conf, i guess
[02:14] <Lars_G> Is it true then that hal's deprecated?
[02:15] <Lars_G> isn't it odd that xorg chose the last two versions to switch to it?
[02:16] <Amaranth> heh, yeah
[02:16] <Amaranth> I think at this point if xorg was not using hal we wouldn't even bother installing it
[02:16] <Amaranth> There are some other minor users but Xorg is the only big one not ported
[02:16] <Bookman> Cynthia: I think the whole problem is with my grub.  I have multiple operating systems on this machine and I don't think Ubuntu modified the correct grub
[02:17] <Cynthia> Bookman, you have both grub legacy and grub2?
[02:17] <Bookman> How would I tell?
[02:17] <Cynthia> and grub legacy is in the MBR
[02:18] <Lars_G> What should it be ported to? udev or devicekit?
[02:18] <Cynthia> I'd check what grub looks like
[02:18] <Amaranth> Lars_G: yes
[02:18] <Bookman> Cynthia: I have no idea what you mean
[02:18] <Lars_G> it's an either or question, can't be answered with a boolean
[02:18] <Amaranth> Lars_G: Actually DeviceKit is going away too
[02:18] <Lars_G> ....
[02:18] <Cynthia> If it's a text interface, it's grub legacy. And there's another way to tell: if you can hold LeftShift to launch it, it's grub2
[02:18] <Amaranth> We're just using udev for device notifications
[02:19] <Lars_G> And what about configurations, like xorg?
[02:19] <Lars_G> back to xorg.conf as you said?
[02:19] <maccam94> Amaranth: isnt' devicekit new?
[02:19] <Bookman> Cynthia: leftswitch?
[02:19] <Amaranth> DeviceKit-disks and DeviceKit-power will still exist but the core "tell me about new devices" part is gone
[02:19] <Cynthia> left Shift
[02:19] <Amaranth> Lars_G: Yeah, back to xorg.conf
[02:19]  * Lars_G shoots himself
[02:19] <Cynthia> it's the key 2 below Tab, and the key 1 below Caps Lock
[02:19] <Lars_G> I kinda liked the idea of configuring xorg with .fdi files....
[02:19] <Lars_G> why was hal deprecated? it was so nice....
[02:20] <Lars_G> Damn it I just discovered the love of hal!!!
[02:20] <Lars_G> arrrrgh
[02:20] <Amaranth> hal is a mess
[02:20]  * Lars_G suffers a stroke
[02:20] <Cynthia> sudo apt-get install pacemaker
[02:20] <Cynthia> :)
[02:20] <Amaranth> hal became the dumping ground for things you needed to be root for that you wanted normal users to be able to do
[02:20] <Bookman> Cynthia: hold left-shift during reboot?
[02:20] <Cynthia> Yes Bookman
[02:20] <maccam94> udev hal upstart dbus.... soo many event subsystems...
[02:21] <maccam94> am i forgetting any?
[02:21] <Amaranth> you could probably technically include compiz in there if you wiggled the rules a bit :P
[02:21] <Bookman> Cynthia: see, normally Ubuntu modifies the incorrect grub.  I normally just boot into mint, modify the grub to reflect the new kernel and reboot.  All is well.    Even though I changed the menu.lst to 2.6.31-11
[02:22] <Amaranth> maccam94: it's an event manager and bag of functions for the plugins :P
[02:23] <Cynthia> Bookman: I'm not entirely sure what your configuration is, sorry. When you boot, does Left-Shift work? Or does GRUB say "Press ESC to enter the menu... 2... 1..."
  Then it finally comes up with the regular grub boot screen
[02:25] <Cynthia> I don't have audio in Totem, though MPEG-2 demux and decode works
[02:25] <maccam94> Amaranth: i recall that there used to be debates over what should be dbus vs hal functionality
[02:25] <Cynthia> some event sounds don't work, but otherwise I'd say I have decent sound
[02:25] <Amaranth> maccam94: You mean dbus system activation?
[02:25] <Lars_G> yes I have audio!!!
[02:25] <maccam94> Amaranth: i'm guessing hal got cannibalized from the hardware (udev) and software (dbus) sides until there wasn't really a need for it anymore?
[02:25] <Lars_G> music!
[02:25] <Lars_G> weeeee
[02:26] <Cynthia> congrats Lars_G :)
[02:26] <Lars_G> Cynthia: that's what I meant
[02:26] <Amaranth> maccam94: it's clear, hal handles starting things when devices are plugged in, dbus handles starting things when someone running wants to talk to them
[02:26] <roffe> Or really it's the audio in youtube that's died now
[02:26] <Lars_G> flash, not youtuve, flash
[02:26] <Amaranth> maccam94: More like udev does basically everything hal ever did
[02:26] <Lars_G> flash and audio used in the same phrase is the synonym of "eternal pain"
[02:26] <roffe> Lars_G, Yes, of course, sorry
[02:27] <Lars_G> Amaranth: hotplug wise yes, configuration wise not.
[02:27] <Cynthia> Lars_G: Java and audio are the same
[02:27] <Amaranth> maccam94: And we have policykit and dbus system activation for the things you want regular users to be able to do even though they need root access
[02:27] <Cynthia> Sun Java, at least. It accesses /dev/dsp.
[02:27] <Amaranth> maccam94: so yeah, I guess you got it right :)
[02:27] <Lars_G> Cynthia: wait until you try to code JavaFX
[02:27] <maccam94> Amaranth: what does upstart do that udev could never do?
[02:27] <roffe> is there a problem with flash and audio in alpha 6?
[02:27] <Cynthia> Lars_G: no thanks :p
[02:27] <Amaranth> maccam94: udev doesn't have callouts
[02:28] <maccam94> Amaranth: callouts?
[02:28] <Amaranth> maccam94: With hal you can say "when this hardware is plugged in run this app"
[02:28] <Amaranth> maccam94: With upstart and upstart reading udev events you can make an upstart job do the same thing
[02:28] <maccam94> Amaranth: so upstart is basically replacing hal?
[02:29] <Amaranth> maccam94: No, upstart is replacing callouts in hal
[02:29] <Lars_G> upstart is the equivalent to hotplug I guess
[02:29] <maccam94> no...
[02:29] <Amaranth> maccam94: upstart, udev, and dbus have had the features of hal almost as long as hal has existed
[02:29] <Cynthia> Upstart is init + hal
[02:29] <Amaranth> But no one ever put it all together
[02:30] <Lars_G> Amaranth: What I care for is atomized configuration that can be shared in a communal manner
[02:30] <maccam94> yeah i'm just sensing like there's something unnecessary here, there's a way things could be more streamlined
[02:30] <Amaranth> Well, I guess upstart came late but no one cared about callouts anyway :P
[02:30] <Bookman> Cynthia: I have sda1 with Ubuntu on it, and sda6 with Mint on it.  My machine seems to want to boot to the sda6/boot/grub/menu.lst.  Ubuntu modifies sda1/boot/grub/menu.lst.  Does that help describe my setup?
[02:30] <Amaranth> maccam94: Not really
[02:30] <Amaranth> maccam94: They all 3 work together to handle what they're good at
[02:31] <Lars_G> Bookman: when you setup grub, you tell it the partition where it'll read it's config from, you can only set one afaik
[02:31] <maccam94> we've got hardware and services... what other types of events are there?
[02:31] <Lars_G> Bookman: You could merge mint's and ubuntu's /boot into a mixed extra partition
[02:32] <Cynthia> Bookman, yes. What I recommend is to make one single partition with all the kernels and the single grub config --> set it as the 'root' in GRUB --> install it there. then tell both Linuxen (Mint + Ubuntu) that you want to mount that new partition as /boot, in /etc/fstab.
[02:32] <Amaranth> upstart handles starting your system and starting services based on hardware events, udev handles hardware events, dbus handles communication between them all and starting services when another program is trying to communicate with them
[02:32] <Amaranth> So udev+upstart runs things based on hardware events, dbus runs things based on user events
[02:32] <Amaranth> basically
[02:33] <maccam94> couldn't one system handle hardware?
[02:33] <Amaranth> udev does that
[02:33] <Bookman> Cynthia: ok, beyond me.
[02:33] <Cynthia> Caveats: You have to make this new boot partition as a primary partition, sda1-sda4; you have to mark it as bootable; you may have to perform some extra steps in the BIOS
[02:33] <Amaranth> upstart is needed anyway to boot your system so feeding udev events into upstart is a pure win
[02:34] <Lars_G> And, if you use initrd images you need to put and read them in your /boot partition
[02:34] <Amaranth> (note: I don't think upstart getting udev events works yet :P)
[02:34] <JanC> upstart getting udev events would be cool  ;)
[02:35] <JanC> no more need to run a smartcard daemon 24/7
[02:35] <Cynthia> Bookman: ls /dev/sda*
[02:35] <maccam94> where does the event go when i want to adjust my laptop screen brightness?
[02:35] <Cynthia> or can't you access anything on that machine right now?
[02:36] <Amaranth> JanC: No more need to run cups and bluetooth daemons and modemmanager for users who have no such hardware
[02:36] <Bookman> Cynthia: Sorry, I had to get the charger for it in the basement.
[02:36] <Lars_G> sigh
[02:36] <Cynthia> Bookman: ok
[02:36] <Lars_G> Cynthia: the thing that still tires me is that the machine goes to sleep every time I plug or unplug the ac
[02:36] <Bookman> Cynthia: I am booted into Mint on sda6 at the moment
[02:37] <Cynthia> Bookman: I don't know Mint, but does it have GPartEd or any intuitive partition editor? (I don't think 'parted' counts)
[02:37] <Bookman> For sure.  It is Ubuntu
[02:37] <Cynthia> Bookman: Ok. Do 'ls /dev/sda*' in a terminal and tell me the numbers it says
[02:38] <Lars_G> I remember someone saying a lot of cruft needs to be cleaned off gnome before power management is fixed
[02:38] <maccam94> Amaranth: upstart triggers software based on hardware events. what about triggering hardware based on software events? or would upstart just spawn daemons to handle such input?
[02:38] <Amaranth> maccam94: Err, that'd be dbus system activation, I guess
[02:38] <Bookman> Cynthia: sda, sda1, sda2, sda5, sda6, sda7
[02:38] <Cynthia> Lars_G: I have no idea about power management. Is your computer a desktop, a laptop or a netbook?
[02:38] <maccam94> Amaranth: i thought dbus was software to software
[02:39] <Cynthia> (Who knows, this might be a desktop with a UPS)
[02:39] <Lars_G> Cynthia: netbook
[02:39] <Amaranth> maccam94: You need to give me a concrete example, I have no idea what you mean
[02:39] <Cynthia> Bookman: Ok. Can you resize sda2 so it has 128 less megabytes, and create an ext3 partition right after it?
[02:39] <maccam94> Amaranth: laptop hotkeys for brightness, wifi, etc
[02:40] <Amaranth> oh, that's actually udev
[02:40] <Amaranth> those are hardware events
[02:40] <maccam94> brightness keys go to udev?
[02:40] <maccam94> o_O
[02:40] <Amaranth> Keypresses, that is
[02:40] <Cynthia> Lars_G: I remember that happening with my laptop actually, it was mostly the screen turning off and locking itself if I plugged it 3 times in 10 seconds (unstable power made it trip past that, easily)
[02:40] <JanC> that sort of keys is ACPI-based often
[02:40] <Lars_G> Nah in this case it's been borked for about four weeks, it worked well before.
[02:40] <Bookman> Cynthia: not letting me resize.  I sudo gparted
[02:41] <Lars_G> basically it goes to sleep (in memory suspend) every time I plug or unplug the ac
[02:41] <Amaranth> You press the brightness key, it gets converted into something X will understand as the brightness key, X tells gnome-power-manager about it, gnome-power-manager tells.... I got lost
[02:41] <Cynthia> Bookman: try sda1 then
[02:41] <maccam94> Amaranth: and udev would talk to dbus to show the notifications?
[02:41] <Amaranth> the first conversion (something X would understand) is handled by udev
[02:41] <Lars_G> JanC: and brightness is also controlled by acpi sometimes
[02:41] <Amaranth> Ooh, that's right, we still have DeviceKit-power
[02:41] <Amaranth> That's where gnome-power-manager sends it
[02:42] <Amaranth> This stack can be hard to follow sometimes :)
[02:42] <Bookman> Cynthia: so, you want me to create 128MB of free space Following the sda1
[02:42] <maccam94> i think it might be a bit messy
[02:42] <Amaranth> maccam94: nah, everything is handling what it is supposed to
[02:43] <Cynthia> Yes Bookman
[02:43] <Amaranth> maccam94: and udev only gets involved in brightness keys when your OEM did something stupid like make them not real keys
[02:43] <maccam94> Amaranth: what handles when i hit the kill switch on my wifi card?
[02:43] <Amaranth> maccam94: udev
[02:43] <JanC> "non-keyboard keys"
[02:43] <maccam94> Amaranth: isn't there an rfkill daemon?
[02:43] <Bookman> Cynthia: primary?
[02:43] <Amaranth> maccam94: I don't think so
[02:44] <Amaranth> This part is new
[02:44] <Cynthia> Bookman: yes. And for the filesystem, use ext3 or ext2
[02:44] <Amaranth> maccam94: There is an rfkill command if you want to do it from userspace
[02:44] <Bookman> Cynthia: created.  ext3, primary
[02:44] <Amaranth> And heck, udev might not even be involved in this, it depends on how that kill switch works
[02:44] <Amaranth> It could be all in hardware, it could be all in the kernel
[02:45] <maccam94> i think hal is confusing me
[02:45] <Amaranth> But anything to do with hardware events that aren't keypresses and mouse clicks that userspace would want to know about go through udev
[02:45] <maccam94> because right now lots of hal daemons control things
[02:46] <Amaranth> right, hal does too much
[02:46] <Cynthia> Bookman: ok. Now you'll need to edit both Mint's and Ubuntu's /etc/fstab file, to refer to what you just created. (sudo gedit /etc/fstab is fine)
[02:46] <maccam94> but doesn't X grab keypresses and mouse clicks?
[02:46] <Amaranth> maccam94: Right, I said other than those
[02:46] <Cynthia> the line should look like this:  /dev/sdaNEWNUMBER  /boot  ext3  defaults  0  2
[02:47] <Cynthia> NEWNUMBER is the number of the partition that gparted just made, I think it'll be sda3
[02:47] <Bookman> Cynthia: oops, I forgot to apply in gparted.  Working............
[02:47] <Bookman> Sorry
[02:47] <Cynthia> No worries
[02:48] <Amaranth> what hal used to do is now handled by udev, devicekit-disks, devicekit-power, dbus, and (eventually anyway) upstart
[02:48] <maccam94> Amaranth: and udev will now talk directly to dbus?
[02:48] <Amaranth> nope
[02:49] <Amaranth> you use libudev and libgudev (glib wrapper) to work with udev
[02:49] <maccam94> ...which i would consider part of udev...?
[02:49] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:49] <maccam94> rather maybe udevd doesn't talk to dbus, but dbus may listen to udevd?
[02:50] <Amaranth> you could make a daemon that listens to udevd and uses dbus to forward such messages
[02:50] <Amaranth> but that's hal :P
[02:50] <maccam94> well yeah, i'm trying to figure out how those communications happen without hal
[02:50] <Amaranth> udev sends out events using its own system
[02:51] <maccam94> but you wouldn't see those in your X session
[02:51] <Amaranth> those libraries are how you communicate with udev
[02:51] <Amaranth> although it's one-way communication, you can't tell udev anything
[02:51] <maccam94> i mean right now i'm mainly thinking of notify-osd notifications
[02:51] <Amaranth> notify-osd is completely different
[02:51] <maccam94> notify-osd uses dbus, no?
[02:51] <Amaranth> it does
[02:52] <Amaranth> but if you mean notifications for battery and brightness and such those have always been handled by gnome-power-manager
[02:52] <maccam94> so if i want to see notifications of a power cable being unplugged, or see how high the brightness is set, or how much battery life is remaining...
[02:53] <maccam94> there would need to be some sort of communication between udev and dbus
[02:53] <Amaranth> gnome-power-manager was responsible for showing those when hal was around and it's just as responsible for showing those now that we're using udev and devicekit-power
[02:53] <maccam94> another example not involving power would be plugging in an audio cable
[02:54] <JanC> I guess pulseaudio could handle such things  ;)
[02:54] <Amaranth> pulseaudio or a plugin to gnome-settings-daemon
[02:54] <maccam94> with the realtek driver on a windows machine i have, if i plug a speaker cable into the microphone jack on my laptop, it will tell me i've connected an output device and make the port act like an audio output
[02:54] <Bookman> Cynthia: this is taking awhile.  You must have thought I either had a tiny hard drive or a really, really, really fast one before!
[02:55] <Cynthia> Bookman: I didn't expect it to take a very short time
[02:55] <Cynthia> I resized a partition before, of 20 GB, and it took 6 hours
[02:55] <Bookman> 6 HOURS???????????????????
[02:55] <Amaranth> Bookman: resizing or moving partitions with gparted takes longer than it would take to backup the partitions, wipe them out, and restore the backups
[02:55] <maccam94> Amaranth: not always
[02:55] <Cynthia> But it preserves UUIDs etc., which is desirable here :)
[02:55] <Bookman> This is 100 GB so I'm beat for the night then?
[02:56] <Amaranth> Bookman: come back in 24 hours
[02:56] <Bookman> Oh crap.
[02:56] <Amaranth> gparted is very protective
[02:56] <Amaranth> it does everything in such a way to make sure nothing is lost
[02:56] <Cynthia> The 20 GB partition only took 6 hours to resize because gparted took the 128-block copy
[02:57] <Amaranth> after every step it runs fsck
[02:57] <Cynthia> I don't know why it thought this was optimal
[02:59] <Bookman> Shoot.....ok, maybe a complete wipeout and fresh install is the best idea.  I would have thought an upgrade would handle my situation better.  I guess not.
[03:00] <Cynthia> Multibooting with two grubs is not the best idea, unfortunately
[03:00] <Cynthia> You have to use only one, and dump the configuration there, and make all Unix-based OSes honor the same configuration
[03:00] <Cynthia> otherwise things start to not work, as you saw
[03:00] <Bookman> Yeah, I thought that the distros would look for that.
[03:00] <Bookman> Hey, I have to learn.
[03:01] <Cynthia> yeah :)
[03:01] <Cynthia> You do that by making both distros use this same partition as /boot
[03:01] <JanC> you can put each OS's GRUB in the partition boot record, and a main grub in the MBR that runs the OS-maintained ones as some sort of "submenu"  ;)
[03:01] <Bookman> I have never had a problem on a single machine with an upgrade.  Just a problem with Ubuntu and multiple o/s's
[03:01] <Cynthia> JanC: but that requires more advanced stuff like chain-loading
[03:02] <Cynthia> does it not?
[03:02] <JanC> indeed
[03:02] <Cynthia> bookman, you could do that if you weren't afraid of editing the config manually
[03:02] <Cynthia> (you want to learn, hm? :)
[03:02] <Bookman> nah, each o/s is different.
[03:03] <Bookman> Multi distro setups is new then?
[03:03] <Bookman> It seems to be kind of raw
[03:03] <JanC> you could use GAG as the main bootloader, as it has a built-in menu-based UI to configure it  ;)
[03:03] <Bookman> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[03:03] <Cynthia> it is raw, the bootloader uses these hard disk references -- as seen by the BIOS -- to boot your OSes
[03:04] <Bookman> Yeah, and drive assignments are another nightmare.
[03:04] <Cynthia> hence why it's not sda3 or whatever, it's going to be (hd0,2)
[03:04] <Cynthia> yeah
[03:04] <Bookman> ok....I hope I have a cd of 9.04 here still!
[03:04] <JanC> the problem with bootloaders is that there is no agreement about how OS's can cooperate in their configuration
[03:05] <Bookman> JanC: hey, complex task!
[03:05] <Bookman> I understood the risk, hence the test machine
[03:05] <JanC> it's not that complex, if OS writers wanted to cooperate
[03:05] <Bookman> good point!
[03:05] <JanC> starting with MS of course
[03:05] <Bookman> No need
[03:06] <Bookman> Just obsolete their stuff.
[03:06] <JanC> well, considering that most computers still need Windows, there is no point it cooperating nicely between linux distros and then being wiped away by Windows 7
[03:07] <Bookman> Might be so.  My business and personal machines have no need for Windows
[03:07] <Cynthia> that's why I was taught to install Linux last in my classes
[03:07] <Cynthia> but users are not going to know this
[03:08] <Bookman> No, Linux will never dominate until pre-installed.
[03:08] <JanC> well, if you have Ubuntu now, and need Win 7 when it gets released, there is no way you could have installed Windows first  ;)
[03:08] <Cynthia> (ProTIP: Linux installed last will make GRUB the bootloader and detect Windows, adding a chainload entry)
[03:08] <Cynthia> JanC: Aye :P
[03:09] <Bookman> Cynthia: ok, my 24 hours is complete!
[03:09] <Cynthia> Already, Bookman? That was quick! :)
[03:09] <Bookman> sda3 it is
[03:09] <JanC> things might be better on EFI systems though (but I haven't one, so can't test that :) )
[03:09] <Bookman> (good little laptop)
[03:09] <JanC> or CoreBoot systems
[03:10] <Cynthia> Anyway. Now you need to copy the files in Linux Mint's /boot directory to this new partition, and for that, you need to mount it.
[03:10] <Cynthia> sudo mkdir /mnt/sda3 && sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3
[03:10] <Cynthia> sudo cp -r --archive /boot/* /mnt/sda3
[03:11] <Bookman> Now, I did not follow your other instructions yet though
[03:11] <Cynthia> oh, the fstab thing, right
[03:11] <Bookman> Correct, I did not do that yet
[03:11] <Cynthia> remember that you'll need to do this in Ubuntu too, so write that part down
[03:12] <Bookman> Yes, but I can access ubuntu from Mint, correct?
[03:12] <Cynthia> oh, you could,  you need to mount it in much the same manner
[03:14] <webbb82> im having some problems running kiba dock in karmic it freezes everytime i click to add stuff to it
[03:14] <Bookman> I can mount via nautilus
[03:15] <Bookman> Easy Peasy
[03:18] <Bookman> Now, my current fstab refers to hda1 and hda5 and hdc
[03:18] <Bookman> Not sdaX
[03:20] <Bookman> Actually those are commented.  It just refers to hdc which is my cd
[03:22] <Cynthia> bookman, most of the partitions are mounted by UUID, but I don't know the UUID of the partition you just created. I guess  you could get the UUID with the 'blkid' utility
[03:22] <webbb82> im trying to find the folder that stores all the app launchers , as in if i wanted to add a app to my dock
[03:22] <Cynthia> and have you copied the files to /mnt/sda3 yet?
[03:23] <webbb82> sbin is close but the icon arent
[03:23] <Bookman> Cynthia: you know what?  This is way too complicated for the average experimenter I'm afraid.
[03:23] <Cynthia> webbb82: application launchers refer to icons, and they're in /usr/share/applications
[03:23] <Cynthia> icons are in /usr/share/icons
[03:23] <webbb82> Cynthia, thank you
[03:24] <Bookman> Cynthia: forums and maillists make it sound so easy.  Just dual boot.
[03:24] <Cynthia> bookman: I agree. which is why I usually rely solely on installers to configure my grub
[03:24] <Cynthia> redhat's installer, ubuntu's and CentOS's as of yet
[03:24] <Bookman> Cynthia: but the average experimenter would not know that.
[03:25] <Bookman> Or maybe I missed a huge step
[03:25] <Cynthia> for dual booting, with any sort of half-complicated setup, automatic grub configuration is not guaranteed to work if both OSes don't have the same partition as /boot :s
[03:26] <Cynthia> Bookman: are you giving up now, or shall I try to continue? I must warn you, I don't really know my way around grub as I once did - that's what GUI installers do to you
[03:27] <Bookman> Yup, I understand that now, but how do you know about that when you just want to add anther o/s to your single o/s system?  I did not notice that in any installation screens.
[03:27] <Cynthia> It's in Ubuntu's installer, ubiquity, page 8 under the Advanced button
[03:27] <Bookman> Cynthia: I give I'm afraid.  I thank you for your help though.  Greatly appreciated and you taught me just how complicated it really is
[03:27] <Cynthia> ubiquity will detect most OSes and act accordingly even before reaching page 8 though
[03:27] <Cynthia> it can import documents too
[03:28] <Bookman> Hmmm....never noticed options like that
[03:29] <Cynthia> page 8 Advanced is for bootloader configuration per se; OSes are in page 5 ("choose which partitions to use" or "side by side", aka the Partitioner), page 6 (import documents) and this page 8
[03:29] <Bookman> Maybe a future upgrade would be to be more friendly to multi-o/s upgrades/installs.
[03:29] <Bookman> Athough it is a niche market I would suppose.
[03:29]  * Cynthia shrugs
[03:30] <Bookman> So much to learn!
[03:30] <Cynthia> it appears to be for power users, yes
[03:30] <Cynthia> Virtual machines to run 2 OSes at the same time seem simple in comparison :P
[03:31] <Cynthia> install VirtualBox-OSE, create VM, mount disc from hardware CD-ROM inside the VM, then you can install your other OS
[03:31] <Bookman> yes, but they don't take advantage of the machines.  I'm tired of seeing reviews of operating systems within vm's.  Not comparable at all.
[03:31] <Cynthia> I agree, for the reviews bit
[03:32] <Bookman> If you test an O/
[03:32] <Bookman> S, test it
[03:32] <Bookman> Complete.  Then maybe things like this would come up.
[03:32] <Bookman> Pet Peave.
[03:33] <Cynthia> You mean like how certain hardware drivers end up missing or half-broken?
[03:33] <Cynthia> but they don't break ever in a VM
[03:33] <Bookman> Yes, dual boot functions don't work....so on and so on and son on.
[03:33] <Bookman> Give things a fair shot.
[03:34] <Bookman> wireless works wonderful under VM.  In reality not at all
[03:34] <Cynthia> I've truthfully never seen a wireless adapter in a VM hypervisor
[03:34] <Cynthia> they're all 100 Ethernet or GigE
[03:37] <Bookman> I guess I said that wrong.  The requirements for wireless testing are not needed under VM as they are under the real machine.
[03:37] <Cynthia> Ah, that makes sense
[03:37] <Bookman> Sorry
[03:37] <Bookman> And 3D
[03:37] <Bookman> And USB
[03:38] <Bookman> But, the benefits of being even able to do all of this stuff outweighs the drawbacks.
[03:38] <Cynthia> Still, VMware and VirtualBox don't even have the ability to provide a wireless adapter to a VM. VirtualBox can provide 3D acceleration now, as well as USB; in VMware, 3D is experimental and you can't provide USB. At least, when I last tested both.
[03:38] <webbb82> how can i fix Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.
[03:38] <blueyed> Does anyone have insight into bug 432070? (One of) The problem might be that the "has been mounted in the future" comes from different TZ handling.
[03:39] <Bookman> I've not tried the 3D in VirtualBox yet.  I look forward to doing that.
[03:39] <webbb82> i cant find libapt-pkg-libc6 anywhere
[03:41] <Bookman> Cynthia: well, you were just super in helping me out here tonight!  I really do appreciate it and you've shown me where I have to learn more.
[03:41] <Cynthia> blueyed: I believe the timestamp in the future bug was fixed; at least in Alpha 6 it is. Are you running Alpha 5 or Alpha 6?
[03:41] <Cynthia> Bookman: you're welcome
[03:41] <Cynthia> May your learning be prolific
[03:41] <Cynthia> if that's even the right word, prolific
[03:42] <Bookman> I certainly hope so.
[03:42] <blueyed> Cynthia: I'm upgrading through karmic since a few months.. last updates from ~24h ago. nothing which looks like a fix in the updates now.
[03:43] <Bookman> Cynthia: You need a break here!
[03:43] <Cynthia> :P
[03:43] <Cynthia> oh my, blueyed, 3 MB images
[03:43] <Lars_G> she's our brave warrior! helping non stop
[03:43] <Bookman> Take a timeout and have a beer on me
[03:44] <Cynthia> Unusually perhaps, I don't drink beer. Toss me a can of Pepsi though, and I'll be happy :)
[03:44] <Lars_G> I wouldn't like to drink a beer off you Bookman
[03:44] <Bookman> Tossed
[03:44] <Lars_G> but I've never been into food paraphilias
[03:44] <webbb82> has anyone i n here used crn the software store like app http://www.cnr.com/home
[03:44] <Lars_G> Cynthia: I have scented green tea too
[03:44] <webbb82> check it outo it looks kinda cool
[03:45] <blueyed> Cynthia: I know. But would not want to resize them on the Live CD.
[03:45] <Cynthia> blueyed: gimp could resize them, but ah well. I'm loading them now
[03:47] <Cynthia> ah, yeah
[03:48] <Cynthia> blueyed: that looks like a standard Bug 423247 to me
[03:50] <Cynthia> you can't get the shell because you don't have a root password? in that case, run "sudo -s" in a terminal somewhere, type "passwd" and enter a password twice; you can then reboot and give this new password. or, you could overwrite the install with Alpha6
[03:51] <Cynthia> inside the recovery shell, you'd run "fsck /dev/md0"
[03:51] <Mulder> is empathy still going to replace pidgin as default im?
[03:53] <Lars_G> You can always install pidgin
[03:54] <blueyed> Cynthia: sounds so. But not fixed for me (updated 24 hours ago). I'm about to try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:55] <Mulder> i take it that means yes
[03:55] <blueyed> Cynthia: apart from that: I'm not getting usplash anymore, which is odd, too.
[03:58] <Cynthia> blueyed: me neither, I stopped getting usplash in alpha 5
[03:59] <blueyed> Cynthia: I have setup a root password now. ok, then that's expected. Obviously, I do not want to reinstall. It's still my first Ubuntu install (based on Hoary).
[03:59] <blueyed> brb, hopefully
[04:00] <Cynthia> oh my, you really installed an alpha over a release version by upgrading? you're brave :p
[04:00] <blueyed> ? no, I've been on karmic since 3+ months at least.
[04:01] <Cynthia> er - Hoary Hedgehog is from 2005
[04:01] <blueyed> but yes, I've (dist-)upgraded always early in release cycles.
[04:01] <blueyed> yes.
[04:01] <Cynthia> ah ok
[04:01] <blueyed> I've gone through all releases of course.
[04:04] <Bookman> Cynthia: You know, I'm going to try an upgrade from a fresh 9.04 install to a 9.10 Alpha install just to see what happens!
[04:05] <Cynthia> Go right ahead, just don't expect it to be all peachy yet :)
[04:05] <Bookman> No expectations yet.
[04:05] <Bookman> I want to just see if it even boots
[04:06] <Bookman> This poor laptop takes a beating!
[04:13] <Bookman> Oh great, 9.04 reinstall and now broadcom wireless does not work.
[04:14] <RichardWolfVI> Hey, is usplash working for you?
[04:15] <Cynthia> ouch, wireless breakage
[04:15] <Bookman> Cynthia: as always
[04:15] <Cynthia> RichardWolfVI: alpha 6 live CD has an usplash, but it gets dropped on the hard drive for some reason
[04:15] <Cynthia> you get the beautiful text-mode boot
[04:16] <Bookman> Cynthia: wireless and webcams are the Achilles heals of Linux.
[04:17] <Cynthia> I never even tried a webcam.
[04:17] <Bookman> They don't work
[04:17] <Cynthia> What I want working is a "what you hear" input option for sound recording.
[04:17] <Cynthia> i.e. I want to be able to record what gets sent to my speakers as a file.
[04:18] <RichardWolfVI> Bookman: unless you're lucky to get Atheros and Logitech :P
[04:18] <RichardWolfVI> Respectively.
[04:19] <Beyondcr> ok any idea to why when i try to run alpha 6 live cd the login/splash screen dose a infinet loop.... playing the logon sound
[04:20] <Beyondcr> while booting i get alot of I/O errors
[04:20] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: "unhandled sense code"?
[04:21] <Beyondcr> hum  is there a log of the start up
[04:22] <Beyondcr> if i hit ctrl alt f1 i can getin to console but i have to hit it before the splash comes up or it crashes
[04:22] <bjsnider> Beyondcr, what kind of a board is that?
[04:23] <Beyondcr> i also see a mmc0 unknown controller version 2 but fro what i understand thats the flash card reader...
[04:23] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: there's a log of startup when you can access a console, with 'dmesg'
[04:23] <Beyondcr> ty
[04:23] <Cynthia> just run it as any user
[04:23] <Beyondcr> i want to help fix this things have been broken for this laptop from alpha 4 and up
[04:24] <Beyondcr> what is the defult password for root
[04:25] <Beyondcr> on live cd
[04:25] <DanaG> !root
[04:25] <DanaG> if you want a root shell, do sudo -i
[04:25] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: Check if your CD is not corrupted.
[04:25] <Beyondcr> ,,,
[04:25] <Cynthia> the user ubuntu has no password, I don't know for root; and I thought a shell was sudo -s
[04:26] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: the user is ubuntu and has no password
[04:26] <Beyondcr> if 3 releases and about 4 or five downloads from the main server is corrupted then i dont know but im sure its not
[04:26] <Beyondcr> ty
[04:26] <Beyondcr> i will rember that
[04:26] <bjsnider> maybe your chipset is not well supported
[04:27] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: Well, I had a pile of corrupted Xubuntu Dapper CDs on my desk
[04:27] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: you can checkthe md5sum as given on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/ (the file is MD5SUM), or boot the disc and select Test disc for errors
[04:28] <Beyondcr> ok
[04:28] <Beyondcr> i will test disk
[04:28] <Beyondcr> but im sure there is a bigger problem here
[04:28] <Beyondcr> i first noticed it after doing updates while running alpha 3
[04:29] <Beyondcr> it has somthing to do with the new kernel
[04:29] <TinasonFTW> is there a way for me to do a network upgrade of jaunty kubuntu to karmic a6 kubuntu?
[04:30] <bjsnider> TinasonFTW, be sure you really want to
[04:30] <TinasonFTW> check
[04:30] <TinasonFTW> (i am sure)
[04:31] <bjsnider> there are lots of ways
[04:31] <bjsnider> but keep in mind you cannot downgrade afterwards
[04:32] <TinasonFTW> ok
[04:33] <bjsnider> upgrade-manager -d would be one way
[04:34] <Beyondcr> RichardWolfVI i did get a crap load of buffer i/o errors
[04:34] <Beyondcr> then it stoped on opening pip
[04:34] <Beyondcr> then it stoped on opening pipe
[04:34] <TinasonFTW> bjsnider: no thats not working
[04:34] <TinasonFTW> anyone knoe if there is a way for me to do a network upgrade of jaunty kubuntu to karmic a6 kubuntu?
[04:35] <TinasonFTW> (yes, i read the disclaimer, and yes i want to go ahead with it)
[04:35] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: That's a sign of a corrupted image
[04:36] <Beyondcr> ok well where do i check the MD5SUMS on the disk
[04:36] <Beyondcr> maby i should try to burn it at a slower speed?
[04:37] <RichardWolfVI> you can extract the ISO image and run md5sum on the file
[04:37] <RichardWolfVI> and on the ISO image you're burning
[04:37] <RichardWolfVI> and compare them to the md5sum file in the download page
[04:38] <RichardWolfVI> Which image did you download?
[04:38] <Beyondcr> ok well i opend the file
[04:38] <Beyondcr> and got alot of numbers and directors
[04:38] <Beyondcr> i got it from the site you just gave me
[04:38] <Beyondcr> it started happing after alpha 3
[04:39] <Beyondcr> and i tryed both gnome and kde 64 and 32 they all gave me this problem
[04:39] <Beyondcr> could it be that i am burning them to fast
[04:39] <RichardWolfVI> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-6/MD5SUMS For instance, these are the sums for the Alpha 6 ISO
[04:40] <TinasonFTW> is there a way for me to do a network upgrade of jaunty kubuntu to karmic a6 kubuntu?
[04:40] <RichardWolfVI> if the ones you got dont match, your images are corrupted
[04:40] <RichardWolfVI> TinasonFTW: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.04
[04:41] <TinasonFTW> ty
[04:41] <RichardWolfVI> well, maybe you gotta use the Kubuntu equivalent
[04:41] <Beyondcr> what is there a md5sum checker?
[04:41] <Beyondcr> becuse i open it in notepad and get alot of crap
[04:41] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: md5sum
[04:42] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/
[04:42] <TinasonFTW> yeah, what is the kubuntu equivelant?
[04:43] <RichardWolfVI> TinasonFTW; try running: update-manager -d
[04:43] <Cynthia> TinasonFTW: it's md5sum in *Ubuntu (includes K, X, Edu)
[04:43] <TinasonFTW> i did, it doesnt work (command not found)
[04:44] <TinasonFTW> Cynthia: thank you , but, i dont need md5 help :) (i think that was Beyondcr)
[04:44] <RichardWolfVI> Cynthia: He's asking for the equivalent of update-manager on Kubuntu
[04:44] <Beyondcr> hum
[04:45] <Beyondcr> ok it is wrong
[04:45] <Beyondcr> what do they change it everyday?
[04:45] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: no
[04:45] <RichardWolfVI> I'd recommend you BitTorrent for downloading large files
[04:45] <Cynthia> I thought the question was what the md5sum equivalent was on Kubuntu, my bad
[04:46] <Beyondcr> then why would it be croupt if i keep downloading the same file
[04:46] <TinasonFTW> Cynthia: no worries :)
[04:46] <RichardWolfVI> BT checks consistency constantly while downloading
[04:46] <sageNsand> MD5SUM  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#head-cc4057205f46f3da4e36ee1974c50c51bd89ed24
[04:46] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: The Alpha 3, 4, 5, 6 ISOs are different from each other, their sums are different as well
[04:47] <Beyondcr> yes and i got #6 and it dosenot match what they said it should but i downloaded it like 3 times already
[04:48] <xmnt> i fixed all of karmic!!
[04:48] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: Maybe you're having issues on your network, lost packages, etc.
[04:49] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: I remid you, back in 2006 I had a pile of corrupt Xubuntu 6.06 CDs
[04:49] <Beyondcr> hum so that checksum changes while the iso is downloaded
[04:49] <RichardWolfVI> *remind
[04:49] <RichardWolfVI> Well, the checksum is determined by the final file.
[04:50] <Beyondcr> interesting
[04:51] <Amaranth> xmnt: I dunno, I'm still seeing 60000 bugs open
[04:51] <TinasonFTW> the command to do a network upgrade from jaunty to karmic kubuntu is: 'do-release-upgrade -d'
[04:51] <RichardWolfVI> anyway, BT uses error correction, I'd recommend it for files that big.
[04:51] <xmnt> it easy, reboot into jaunty
[04:51] <Beyondcr> ?
[04:51] <Beyondcr> bittorrent?
[04:52] <RichardWolfVI> Beyondcr: Yes
[04:53] <RichardWolfVI> Gotta get going, See ya all!
[04:53] <Beyondcr> oh wow i never took time to notice the torrent files
[04:54] <Beyondcr> hey thanks alot for your help
[04:54] <RichardWolfVI> You're welcome.
[04:54] <Beyondcr> you just probly saved me hours
[05:08] <AirBender> Beyondcr: you can also use rsync to get just the missing/wrong parts of the iso
[05:09] <AirBender> there are some template scripts up there in the wiki for doing that the easy way
[05:10] <Beyondcr> well its almost done now im going to try it with the new torrent file.... for the 4th time =-) wish me luch
[05:10] <Beyondcr> luck
[05:10] <AirBender> goo luck then...
[05:10] <AirBender> good
[05:10] <Beyondcr> lol
[05:11] <Beyondcr> the torrent is wayyyy faster
[05:12] <Beyondcr> this is crazy if that is what the problem is
[05:12] <Beyondcr> i never seen such thing
[05:13] <AirBender> I can understand the problem, and admit it's really posible, but at the same time is pretty uncommon for me
[05:18] <Beyondcr> i/0 error on device sr0
[05:22] <webbb82> if i download kde in karmic will it work and  give me karmic koala kubuntu
[05:24] <Cynthia> webbb82: Yes
[05:24] <Cynthia> run tasksel and select the appropriate package
[05:27] <Beyondcr> i burned it to dvd
[05:27] <Beyondcr> now it dont show the i/o errors.....
[05:27] <Beyondcr> what the heck
[05:29] <xmnt> doesn't
[05:29] <xmnt> Beyondcr, why not use a usb drive?
[05:30] <Beyondcr> i still get looped on splash
[05:30] <Beyondcr> this is starting to make me alittle upset
[05:31] <Amaranth> Beyondcr: Radeon HD?
[05:31] <Beyondcr> laptop i think radeon 3100
[05:31] <xmnt> install base jaunty - dist upgrade to karmic
[05:31] <Amaranth> Yeah, that'd be Radeon HD
[05:31] <Beyondcr> it keeps looping
[05:31] <Amaranth> The problem is mesa had support for it enabled so compiz tries to start. Doing so kills X
[05:32] <Beyondcr> ....
[05:32] <Amaranth> The driver is not ready to be enabled, it crashes running glxgears
[05:32] <Beyondcr> so is there a way around that?
[05:32] <Beyondcr> like force vesa
[05:33] <Amaranth> Only if you can get to a VT
[05:33] <Amaranth> But it seems to break that too
[05:33] <DanaG> dang, I wish there were a PPA for the drm-next kernel.
[05:33] <DanaG> you can  boot 'text' to prevent gdm from starting, by the way.
[05:33] <DanaG> that is, add the word 'text' to the command line, through grub.
[05:33] <Beyondcr> so what i have to waite till a new driver is released
[05:34] <Amaranth> Beyondcr: It's fixed now
[05:34] <Beyondcr> what do you mean?
[05:34] <Beyondcr> like right now
[05:34] <Amaranth> But you'd have to get a daily snapshot cd image
[05:34] <Beyondcr> where is that located
[05:34] <Amaranth> The fix was uploaded on the 16th
[05:34] <Beyondcr> well i got the one from the 17th and it still gives me the problem
[05:35] <Amaranth> it may not have made it into that one
[05:35] <Amaranth> So you'll have to wait a couple days for a new one that has the fix
[05:35] <Amaranth> Or get the alternative install CD then upgrade right away
[05:35] <Cynthia> DanaG: I was looking for that option, thanks
[05:36] <Amaranth> DanaG: That doesn't work with the new gdm
[05:36] <Beyondcr> will the alternative have everything
[05:36] <DanaG> hmm, I think it may have been re-added.
[05:36] <Amaranth> Beyondcr: yeah
[05:36] <DanaG> aptitude changelog gdm
[05:36] <Cynthia> Amaranth: aww
[05:36] <Beyondcr> and do they add a update before you install
[05:36] <Amaranth> no, you'll have to boot in recovery mode to update
[05:36] <Beyondcr> what if i install then goto the console and do a update?
[05:37] <Amaranth> hope you have an ethernet connection and not some kind of wireless
[05:37] <Beyondcr> i can manage to get to the console
[05:37] <Amaranth> Right, you want to install then boot in recovery mode, choose netroot, and upgrade
[05:37] <Amaranth> then it should work
[05:37] <Beyondcr> you have to hit it right before the splash
[05:37] <Amaranth> in that case you can probably fix it on the live cd
[05:38] <Amaranth> DanaG: ah, yeah, they added it again, awesome
[05:38] <Amaranth> Now we just need to get the failsafe GNOME session back
[05:38] <Beyondcr> will i have to type any commands to connect my eth or will it connect by it self
[05:39] <Amaranth> it should have connected on boot
[05:39] <Beyondcr> k then do apt-update
[05:39] <Amaranth> you'll probably have to add the repos
[05:39] <Amaranth> I believe they are commented out
[05:41] <Beyondcr> whats to command to see the repos
[05:41] <Amaranth> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:45] <Beyondcr> and which one do i want to enable
[05:46] <Amaranth> all of them
[05:47] <Beyondcr> then type apt-update install?
[05:50] <Beyondcr> ?
[05:53] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: apt-get update
[05:53] <Cynthia> then run the UI update manager or type apt-get upgrade
[06:10] <bullgard> What is the use of the indicator_applet in Karmic?
[06:10] <xmnt> bullgard, what indicator ye be speaking of?
[06:12] <bullgard> xmnt: "indicator-applet 0.1. An applet that handles all system hints. Copyright 2009 Canonical, Ltd."
[06:14] <xmnt> bullgard, rrr ... thank ye for that most memorable descriptions ... as for yer answer tis be for the popups that be displayed for volumes and such
[06:15] <bullgard> hm
[06:16] <Nattgew> is there a way to get pulseaudio to play the microphone through the speakers?
[06:17] <bullgard> Nattgew: Are you trying to establish an acoustical feedback and self-regeneration?
[06:18] <Nattgew> bullgard: I'm not really sure what that means... with Jaunty I could play the mic input through the speakers, I can't figure out how to do that with the new audio preferences
[06:19] <bullgard> s/self-regeneration/self-excitation
[06:20] <DanaG> Nattgew: google for module-loopback.
[06:20] <DanaG> you can pacmd, then 'list'
[06:21] <DanaG> and then load-module module-loopback source=N sink=M
[06:21] <DanaG> where N and M are indexes.
[06:21] <DanaG> Or names.
[06:21] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[06:21] <xmnt> Nattgew, wouldn't ye produce feedback
[06:25] <Cynthia> xmnt: headsets don't produce that :)
[06:25] <ShapeShifter499> I just installed the UNR and the KNR and I love both but will use UNR more than KNR, one question on the UNR interface the tab that has wine stuff won't work, what I mean is that when I click on the wine tab, UNR crashes and restarts, and no bug report shows up
[06:26] <ShapeShifter499> this is for karmic btw
[06:27] <ShapeShifter499> anyway to fix my problem?
[06:28] <xmnt> Are, but he didn't make the decleration of using ye headset ... microphone be what he said
[06:29] <Cynthia> oh - but there are still ways to make the microphone and speakers not feed back, i.e. distance them, protect the microphone with a sheet of paper in the direction the speakers produce sound in, etc.
[06:30] <Cynthia> not even a whole sheet, just a little bit
[06:31] <ShapeShifter499> anyone know what I could do?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> File a bug report?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> could be come conflict with the way the 2 UNR interfaces are working together.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> could launch the app from a terminal (some how) and check the output also.
[06:33] <ShapeShifter499> so real quick fix? just w8 for the bug report to go through and get fixed?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> Could try removing the other UNR stuff you got installed as a test. just use the  UNR, not KNR
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> try it as a new user also. see if it affexcts them
[06:34] <xmnt> Cynthia, me be speaking of the feedback loop - paper be useless against my volumes
[06:34] <Cynthia> ShapeShifter499: there are not that many UNR users in here, and the interface is different from other Ubuntu editions, so please be patient :)
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> I cant stand the UNR interfaces. :) but i havent tried them in a while.
[06:36] <ShapeShifter499> well I installed it over my current karmic system, is there a option to go switch back without uninstalling unr?
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> the UNR remix edition had some menu item to toggle the normal desktop/Unr desktop
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> id hope they kept that feature.
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> (even tho it dident work very well on Jaunty)
[06:52] <bullgard> Mozilla Firefox 3.5.3 displays fonts in a large soft font which I dislike compared to the small font in my Ubuntu Hardy Firefox 3.0.14. How can I return to the old font?
[06:54] <bullgard> s/ soft font/ soft manner/
[06:57] <Cynthia> bullgard: Firefox 3.5 completely disregards your hinting setting in Appearance Preferences and uses "slight" hinting. You must return to Firefox 3.0 to get the old behavior, as far as I know.
[06:57] <glicks> excuse me does anyone else have problems with their Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000 with the sound not working?
[06:57] <glicks> the mic
[06:59] <philip> glicks: I used to have all kinds of sound issues. I finally fixed them by running "alsamixer", only thing that worked to set the correct volume
[07:01] <bullgard> Cynthia: Thank you for commenting.
[07:01] <glicks> i dont see where i can set the volume of my webcam in alsamixer
[07:06] <philip> the new startup logo/screen looks ghastly
[07:07] <glicks> what will happen if i uninstall pulseaudio
[07:07] <glicks> do i need pulseaudio
[07:10] <philip> glicks:  running alsamixer didn't help?
[07:11] <glicks> no
[07:15] <glicks> it has nothing to do with alsamixer i dont thinik
[07:15] <glicks> i cant unmute it
[07:15] <glicks> i thought this cam worked flawlessly with linux
[07:21] <connex> Hi, i can't boot, i get to the point GDM should start and all i get is screen flickering with shell prompting for password and user name, i looked at ps and i can see GDM fails to start and is run in a loop
[07:47] <connex> had to kill dbus daemon for this to stop
[07:48] <connex> and still can't get X
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> stopped the gdm service.. try 'startx' see if it gives any error messages perhaps.
[08:01] <connex> it fails, saying no nvidia drivers
[08:02] <connex> when i try to install the drivers i get: http://pastebin.com/m204b3540
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> remove the cdrom line from your /etc/apt/sources.lst
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> update/upgrade/try again
[08:07] <connex> is this normal? http://pastebin.com/m3702bfbe   i did update
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> sounds like some dbus error  happening.
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success '/usr/bin/dbus-send --system --dest=org.debian.apt --type=signal /org/debian/apt org.debian.apt.CacheChanged'
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> this is why its Alpha software :)
[08:09] <connex> i wish i never tried to dist-upgrade from alpha 4
[08:12] <connex> now startx starts the desktop and dies back to prompt(i installed nvidia drivers)
[08:13] <connex> it gets to the point of loaded panel and desktop background
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> check logs/erro messages?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> I had issues with gnome not starting properly. but i wa able to start a different window manager.
[08:15] <connex> http://pastebin.com/m5f990ad9
[08:22] <wekt> is there a karmic dvd image?  i only see CD
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> not tyhat ive seen
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> The dvd rarely does much extra anyway i recall
[08:25] <connex> Dr_Willis, have you seen the link
[08:25] <wekt> sometimes packages i install are rare enough not to be even on the first DVD
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> i normally install fromc d.. then run a script i wrote ti install whatver extras i want/need
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what extra packages are on the dvd any more.
[08:29] <glick> does anyone have a quickcam pro 9000?
[08:30] <Jeruvy> my understanding is the dvd only has added language support.  even alternate is still on a cd.
[08:31] <wekt> karmic's target release date is earlier than the squeeze freeze
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> Jeruvy:  thats what i was thinking.. but dident it also have both the desktop and alternative isntallers?
[08:34] <wekt> Dr_Willis: i know it had the 'alternative'
[08:34] <wekt> i presume it had the normal desktop installer also
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> I havent bothered with the dvd in ages. I normally get iso. and  use unetbootin to make a flash installer :)
[08:37] <liz_> I use to have a package monitor in my launch menu, one that would sort by popularity, I never knew the name of it
[08:37] <liz_> it doesn't seem to be installed by default in 9.10
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> you mean that crippled 'add/remove programs' icon?
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> sorted by  'stars' rateing.. wich was really.. not too usefull.. :)
[08:41] <liz_> oh yeah
[08:41] <liz_> I liked sorting by popularity
[08:41] <liz_> it's not good for most things, but it had it's uses
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> for the very limited set of programs it had listed..
[08:41] <liz_> I had noticed that problem
[08:42] <liz_> I wish synaptic had such a feature
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> too many people came in to the support channel saying they couldent find program-such-and-such.. because they thought that Add/remove was  THE only package manager.
[08:42] <liz_> is it somewhere I can run from the terminal?
[08:43] <eagles0513875> liz_: the only command i can think of to find packages is apt-cache search package name for instance firefox and it will bring up all packages relating to firefox
[08:44] <liz_> well I'm not searching for something by name, I just like trying out popular packages
[08:45] <eagles0513875> in kpackagekit you can search though again by name
[08:45] <liz_> no you can't, there's no popularity feature there
[08:46] <Dr_Willis>  trhe Popularity feature is Unpopular!
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:47] <liz_> I didn't know that, wouldn't it be more popular if it were integrated into a good package manager like synaptic or like eagels suggests, kpackagekit
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> I doubt if very many people care whats more popular   or not
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> plus it has to give some sort of info back to the servers when people install things.. most people opt out of that
[08:48] <liz_> I'm just new, I liked trying out popular packages
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall 9.10 even asking  to enable it...
[08:48] <liz_> a lot of them were useful, and I never knew they existed
[08:48] <eagles0513875> well this is even better
[08:48] <eagles0513875> audio is broken :(
[08:49] <liz_> 9.10 asked when I installed it
[08:49] <liz_> I didn't use the alternate installer though, it might not be there
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> It might of asked and i just automatically said no. :) i never noticed..
[08:50] <liz_> I do that sometimes with dialog windows
[08:50] <liz_> just click OK
[08:50] <liz_> I could just read through the package alphabetically, but I enjoyed reading through the popular ones first
[08:51] <liz_> I tried loading the data from the popcon website but it was too raw
[08:58] <liz_> oh well, I guess I lose this round
[08:59] <liz_> the popularity information is probably gone forever, or at least long enough for me to get use to all these linux apps or give up on it by then
[09:00] <liz_> thanks for the explination, at least I won't think it was something I did that hid or uninstalled that feature
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> !info ddclient
[09:18] <nonix4> alpha6 still seems to be affected by https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514901 - can't seem to find that one on launchpad, is it reported yet?
[09:26] <Michalxo> guys, do they fixing this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249
[09:31] <ShapeShifter499> can I output my display on my netbook with ubuntu karmic to another computer via a stream?
[09:32] <ShapeShifter499> and not remote desktop
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> ShapeShifter499:   not that ive know of then,
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> unless therss some screengrabber in real time that streams.. and ive not seen one of those
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> record my desktop to a pipe.. then use vls to stream the output.. (eww...)
[09:35] <djdarkman_> hello, where can I get a karmic alpha6 USB image?
[09:38]  * nonix4 sights... trying to report a bug with ubuntu-bug, two other bugs surface
[09:38] <nonix4> *sighs*
[09:45] <djdarkman_> how can I do a clean Alpha 6 install without wasting a CD?
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> djdarkman_:  use unetbootin and an iso file.. make a bootable flash drive
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> Or that usb-disk-creater tool in the menus on ubuntu
[09:48] <djdarkman_> Dr_Willis: unetbootin doesnt seem to work
[09:49] <eagles0513875> djdarkman_: do you have a windows machine you can run unetbootin on cuz thats what i did on windows yesterday and it worked fine
[09:51] <djdarkman_> I think it messes up some device paths (/dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda)
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> djdarkman_:   and how/what are you doing with it? I use it to make a bootablle flash drive all the time.
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> It worked with  Alpha4 for me.
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> i DONT use it to install 'to the hard drive'
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> The Usb-creater tool in the system -> admin->USB startup disk      works a little better i find.
[09:58] <djdarkman_> I think unetbootin messed it up because I did it on another machine
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> I normally use Unetbootin to make a bootable flash drive. that then can work on most every machine i got..
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> SOME machines seem tohave some issues with some of my flash media.
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> I got one flash drive that boots every machine.. except 1...
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> then another flash drive that boots that one fine..
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> made with the same tool/same iso.
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> Ive herd it may have somthing to do with LBA flag on the flash drive partition.
[10:01] <djdarkman_> hmmm thanks Dr_Willis I think I will try unetbootin on the same machine I want to install on, and see how it works out
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> The Ubuntu usb-startup-disk works a little better. it can make a peristant save file also.
[10:01] <Turms> i've downloaded and installed alpha 6, everything ok, but at the first boot i do not have the splash and it stops at "Starting AppArmor Profiles"
[10:03] <Turms> the connection went down, did anyone answer my question?
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> Nope
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> Ive not heard of anyone else with Alpha6 problems like that
[10:04] <Turms> well i'll restart it
[10:06] <oly> hi, there is a bug on this laptop which i would like to track down and report so looking for some ideas / help in fiding the cause so it can be reported correctly
[10:07] <oly> basically it only happens on the asus x59gl laptop, when playing games after about 30 seconds the laptop powers off
[10:07] <oly> the graphics card is nvidia, and i have tried the 170 185 and 190 series of driver but the same happens on all of them
[10:08] <oly> it used to work in older distros, so something has changed which causes this
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> sounds like 'classic' overheating
[10:08] <oly> it happens on two identical machine, but they work fine in windows
[10:08] <vallhalla81> is compiz disabled in 9.10? as i am having trouble getting it going
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> older disrto live cd - dosent do it>  (as a way to test)
[10:09] <oly> yeah, except they dont in windows so seems like the fan is not spinning up correctly or something
[10:09] <Turms> Dr_Willis: i've restartd kermit but it still stops at the same point, i can access the kermit partition from another partition where i've debian squeeze, do you think i could do something to trace the problem by chrooting into kermit from squeeze?
[10:09] <oly> i have tried stress testing the cpu, and can not make that overheat
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> Kermit?
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> Karmic Koala?
[10:10] <oly> is there a way to control the fan speed, perhaps just set it to max speed
[10:10] <Turms> Dr_Willis: yes
[10:10] <oly> i am unsure how to track down if its the kernel nvidia drivers or something else todo with power saving
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> oly:   fan speeds ive seen depend on the exact mb/laptop/chipset
[10:11] <Turms> Dr_Willis: sorry i've always problems remembering the code name of ubuntu releases :-D
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> Turms:  you chould chroot in. and update/upgrade and see if that fixes anything
[10:11] <Turms> Dr_Willis: ok, i try streight away
[10:11] <oly> any suggestions on what i can try, i have tried quite a lot already like disabling acpi
[10:13] <oly> and trying the laptop with windows, just to rule out both laptops having hardware faults
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> oly:  if its doing it only in games.. that sounds liek it may be a video issue.
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> i wokder if glxgears will make them crash.
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> its low cpu load.. but high gpu load.
[10:14] <oly> yeah that makes sense
[10:14] <oly> i know being a laptop though the fan is shared between the cpu and gpu
[10:15] <oly> so was not sure how that works, does the kernel control the fan speed or can the nvidia controller also control it seperatly
[10:15] <oly> compiz works fine by the way
[10:15] <oly> so it is only high load
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> you could get a BIG fan external blowng on it.. and open the cd drive door.. and see if it still does it. :)
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> it might not be overheating
[10:17] <oly> I also know a lot of changes in the kernel have happend for this laptop
[10:18] <oly> as prior to kernel 2.6.29 most of the hardware had issues but from that version it all seems to work
[10:20] <oly> some of the things i have tried are on launchpad here https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/82031
[10:20] <oly> if i new 100% it was nvidia driver that was causing it, that would be good as i could report it and help see it fixed
[10:22] <oly> one thing that intresting though is that in the nvidia-settings the gpu temprature never gets that high
[10:22] <oly> or not close to its max its actually quite a lot below the threshold when the reboot occurs
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> sounds more and more like some driver quirk crashing.
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> not overheating
[10:34] <mjbrooks> Overheating to a crash level would not occur in 30 seconds
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> Yea.  I dident think a laptop gpu had that much power either. :)
[10:36] <oly> yeah it does, but could also be some sort of timing issue in the kernel or something not that i know much about the internal workings
[10:36] <oly> just not sure how to pin point the exact cause
[10:36] <oly> is there some sort of debug mode for graphics drivers
[10:38] <mjbrooks> a graphics driver issue would not turn your machine off... you might get a black screen or pokemon style flashing though
[10:39] <oly> hum, intresting any suggestions on where else i could look
[10:39] <mjbrooks> there might be a system call being made by the game that is causing a kernel panic
[10:39] <mjbrooks> what game?
[10:39] <oly> would that be logged some where ?
[10:39] <oly> any :p
[10:40] <oly> that are opengl and intensive
[10:40] <mjbrooks> probably not if it's suddenly crashing it would have time too
[10:40] <mjbrooks> what happens when you run glxgears
[10:40] <mjbrooks> ?
[10:41] <oly> openarena x3 guild wars all causs it
[10:41] <oly> will try should think that will be okay because compiz is fine
[10:41] <oly> might be back in a sec if it reboots :)
[10:41] <mjbrooks> are you running compiz?
[10:42] <oly> yes and i have tried without as well
[10:42] <oly> i turned it on to see if i could replicate the reboot under those conditions
[10:42] <mjbrooks> try running a GL screensaver
[10:46] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: :) all good after todays updates here
[10:47] <mjbrooks> oly,  you can file a bug prior to pinpointing the exact issue and the devs can help you
[10:47] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, woohoo
[10:49] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: you test out the suspend feature or not
[10:49] <mjbrooks> lol.... guess the GL screensaver did it too
[10:49] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, been too busy
[10:49] <mjbrooks> oly, that crash it too?
[10:49] <oly> okay did not like the opengl screensavers
[10:49] <eagles0513875> well ill test it in a bit
[10:49] <oly> i did not even set them full screen
[10:50] <mjbrooks> oly, file a bug
[10:50] <oly> okay will do what should i file it against ?
[10:50] <mjbrooks> oly, no need to totally pinpoint it, the devs will as for more info if they need it
[10:51] <mjbrooks> seems to me it would best be against opengl
[10:51] <oly> i also noticed my laptop said something about nforce conflict on boot
[10:51] <mjbrooks> though how it's managing to do that I have no idea
[10:51] <mjbrooks> hmmmm
[10:52] <oly> is there a way to log the bootup
[10:52] <eagles0513875> oly: what video card do you have
[10:52] <mjbrooks> it already is
[10:52] <eagles0513875> oly: dmesg = boot up log
[10:52] <oly> one sec
[10:52] <mjbrooks> dmesg | less
[10:52] <eagles0513875> but you need to pip it through less ^
[10:52] <eagles0513875> if not you wont find anything
[10:53] <oly> from what i understand dmesg is not the entire bootup process
[10:53] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: here goes nothing on the suspend
[10:53] <oly> i know there used to be /var/log/boot once
[10:53] <Cyberkilla|Idle> Isn't all of that stuff in /var/log/messages?
[10:53] <oly> nVidia Corporation C79 [GeForce 9200M G] (rev b1)
[10:53] <Cyberkilla|Idle> That seems to have boot logs for me.
[10:54] <Cyberkilla|Idle> I have an 8400M GT:D
[10:54] <oly> i will check dmesg, again i think /var/log/message only has some of the messages
[10:54] <mjbrooks> /var/log/messages picks up most stuff
[10:54] <mjbrooks> but not all
[10:54] <oly> not the entire log, i remember reading something about upstart being the reason we dont get /var/log/boot any more
[10:56] <oly> are you sure about reporting it against opengl
[10:57] <oly> if it was an opengl issue it would be effecting a lot of people
[10:57] <oly> it seems more kernel related to me
[10:57] <oly> or drivers
[10:57] <mjbrooks> oly, leave it blank
[10:57] <oly> okay
[10:58] <GobiTheGoblin> Hi all =)
[10:59] <GobiTheGoblin> i am in need of hid-ids.h file, where i can install it from? Anyone?
[10:59] <mjbrooks> crap it's 3am
[10:59]  * TerminX hacks ck's new bfs-230 release into 2.6.31-rt10
[10:59] <TerminX> this should be interesting
[10:59] <TerminX> ...if it even boots :D
[11:00] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, what are you doing?
[11:00] <Trewas> I thought the newest kernel was supposed to fix manual-fsck-on-every-boot issue, but apparently not :(
[11:00] <GobiTheGoblin> mjbrooks: Compiling wacom
[11:01] <TerminX> Trewas: the issue with the superblock last mount timestamp?
[11:01] <mjbrooks> you need the linux headers
[11:02] <Trewas> TerminX: yes
[11:02] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -a)
[11:02] <GobiTheGoblin> it should be in /lib/modules/2.6.31-10-generic/build/drivers/hid/hid-ids.h but its not
[11:02] <GobiTheGoblin> k ty
[11:02] <TerminX> it seems like the CMOS clock isn't getting set back to GMT at poweroff
[11:03] <TerminX> I've been working around it by going into CMOS and manually setting it to GMT before booting again... because when I hit ctrl+D to continue booting, nothing happens.
[11:03] <GobiTheGoblin> mjbrooks: they were already newest version....
[11:03] <mjbrooks> hmmm
[11:04] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, grab the whole kit then linux-source-$(uname -r)
[11:04] <Trewas> TerminX: well it works when I fsck -y /dev/sda5 (or whatever the root partition is) and then reboot again
[11:04] <Trewas> but fsck takes ages
[11:06] <GobiTheGoblin> this is weird: E: "Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.31-10-generic"
[11:06] <aboSamoor> it seems that the login screen changed a lot since jaunty ?!
[11:07] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, try sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.31
[11:08] <oly> filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/432988
[11:09] <GobiTheGoblin> the was ok, but they too are newest
[11:09] <aboSamoor> what is the default gdm login screen now, I still have the light white one ! it seems it changed ?
[11:09] <djdarkman_> What is this all about: /init: line 1 can't open /dev/sdb: No medium found
[11:09] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, found a thread on your issue http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2009-09/msg04827.html
[11:09] <Mentis> hi all. after pulse audio update there is no sound from side speakers. But with new user and default ~/.kde4 they works. What i need to delete in ~/.kde4 to make it works for my user? I dont want to delete whole kde4 dir.
[11:09] <GobiTheGoblin> ty
[11:10] <djdarkman_> is this installer retarded or what? how can it not find the filesystem it runs from?
[11:10] <aboSamoor> any help ?
[11:10] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, hope they say something that helps
[11:11] <GobiTheGoblin> mjbrooks: seen that too, but the problem is that those file should be there.  That thread just say, that it's distro depended
[11:11] <vistakiller> Mentis i have kubuntu and i remove pulseadio
[11:11] <GobiTheGoblin> I think those files are just not in PPA
[11:11] <vistakiller> i think it have too many problems
[11:12] <mjbrooks> djdarkman_, /dev/sdb refers to the whole disk not a particular filesystem.
[11:12] <djdarkman_> mjbrooks: I know, but that's the error I get when I try to install from an USB drive
[11:12] <GobiTheGoblin> is there a kernel-development channel, or are they all in #ubuntu-kernel?
[11:13] <Mentis> vistakiller: yes but i dont what to. i use it to share my speakers with my notebook
[11:13] <vistakiller> a ok
[11:14] <vistakiller> Mentis you have 64 system or 32? and the sound works in flash player?
[11:14] <Mentis> i have 32 bit system. sound with flash works
[11:15] <GobiTheGoblin> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/linux-2.6/drivers/hid/   that states that they should be included...
[11:15] <vistakiller> yeah i know but in 64 is not working with pulse
[11:16] <mjbrooks> GobiTheGoblin, HOW TO: Install a LinuxWacom Kernel Driver for Tablet PC's  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1038949
[11:17] <Mentis> i think i will have to delete wole ~/.kde4 to get it works =(
[11:18] <GobiTheGoblin> mjbrooks: ty for trying to help, but that it is not the problem. The problem is that I cannot "make"  it because i do not have hid-ids.h file
[11:18] <zniavre_> hello / bonjour to help a guy to finalize a sourcelist generator i would need the original source.lst of karmic Koala somebody can paste this one please ?
[11:18] <GobiTheGoblin> I could just copy it and make a link to it, but I don't think that is a good way
[11:19] <GobiTheGoblin> btw, i do not have that file in anywhere in my system...
[11:19] <aboSamoor> I can not find any gdm configuration tool ! can you help  me ?
[11:25] <aboSamoor> I think I still have the old gdm theme, and it did not change for me. The gdmsetup also does not allow to do so !
[12:05] <eagles0513875> mjbrooks: can you confirm that your machine doesnt resume after being put into sleep
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> aboSamoor:  the current state of gdm configuration tools.. is rather minimal sadly
[12:12] <aboSamoor> Dr_Willis: I tried to search for how to change things from the command line without success
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> aboSamoor:  thers some gdm confiog files.. but the format hsa changed. (now its xml based it seems) and theres no comments/notes in the config files.
[12:12] <aboSamoor> Dr_Willis: What is the current gdm theme ? mine is like light brown and not like what I read on the web
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> just a basic box here. nothing fancy
[12:23] <aboSamoor> Dr_Willis: I saw dark box in the karmic artwork repo, I thought it was updated to that one.
[12:46] <GobiTheGoblin> could someone with sources and headers, try to find this file... hid-ids.h ? it should be in /lib/modules/2.6.31-10-generic/build/drivers/hid
[12:46] <eagles0513875> hey GobiTheGoblin :)
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> !find hid-ids.h
[12:46] <GobiTheGoblin> hey eagles0513875 =)
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> locate dont find it here either.
[12:46] <eagles0513875> if locate isnt finding it he needs to run sudo updatedb
[12:47] <GobiTheGoblin> bot says it doesn
[12:47] <GobiTheGoblin> *doesn't come with it... hmmmm
[12:51] <eagles0513875> !hid
[12:51] <eagles0513875> !info hid
[12:51] <eagles0513875> !info hid-ids
[12:51] <eagles0513875> hid-ids
[12:51] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: what is that
[12:52] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: It a driver source file.
[12:52] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[12:52] <eagles0513875> well sound isnt working for me in alpha 6
[12:52] <eagles0513875> im guessing i need to reinstall alsa
[12:54] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: I am about to manually install it :P
[12:54] <eagles0513875> wondering if from source is necessary from the alsa site itself
[12:54] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: me want me touchscreen :P
[12:54] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: could be
[12:55] <TerminX> I have hid-ids.h...
[12:55] <eagles0513875> ya
[12:55] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: oh =) done anything particular? Newest sources / headers etc...?
[12:55] <TerminX> 2.6.31 from kernel.org
[12:56] <GobiTheGoblin> i was afraid of that
[12:56] <TerminX> it is indeed in drivers/hid
[12:57] <GobiTheGoblin> TerminX: rebuild it your self?
[12:59] <TerminX> yeah, I just built it with ck's new bfs-230 patch applied since my combination of the realtime patchset and bfs was a dismal failure :D
[13:06] <TerminX> speaking of 2.6.31... seriously not impressed with it on my server :p saw that it had some fixes for the driver for the nic in that box so I threw it on there and what's it do?  lock up as soon as it brings up the network interface
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[13:08] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip
[13:08] <eagles0513875> ouch TerminX
[13:09] <TerminX> 2.6.29 was like that with that box too
[13:10] <TerminX> and of course the box is in another country and is donated to me, so I had to wait until the guy who pays for it and speaks the language of the control panel to mount the recovery image was around in order to chroot and uninstall my custom kernel package/update grub
[13:10] <Hew> Is anyone aware of a bug that has caused the numpad to stop working? I've had a look but can't find anything on Launchpad.
[13:10] <TerminX> kernel updates on that thing are like russian roulette
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> Hew: does xev give event IDs?
[13:11] <marlun> Where have libgnome-dev gone in Karmic?
[13:12] <Hew> ActionParsnip, I just tried, and yes it does!
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> Hew: interestnig
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> Hew: can the pad type normally in terminal or root recovery console
[13:13] <Hew> ActionParsnip, no, it doesn't type any characters
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> Hew: is the keyboard language set right? Have you tried a different language
[13:14] <Hew> perhaps the mapping just got broken somehow?
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> Hew: possibly
[13:15] <Hew> ActionParsnip, I haven't changed keyboard language, I just checked then and it's still USA
[13:16] <Hew> specifying it as the G15 (my keyboard) doesn't help either
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> Hew: try UK, just to test
[13:21] <Hew> hmm my system has gone all weird again where I can only click on some things (tabs but not buttons etc). Brb restart :S
[13:29] <ShapeShifter499> anyone know how to use freecast
[13:30] <ShapeShifter499> I can't get it working on my ubuntu karmic system
[13:30] <rojanu> I am on alpha 6 and on boot karmic freezes on a black screen I can't do anything, tried booting into repair but repair menu is frozen as well
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> oooh new bootsplash is pretty
[13:31] <Hew> ActionParsnip, magically my numpad has started working again after a week..
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[13:31] <Hew> ActionParsnip, I agree new bootsplash is awesome!
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> is it set to US?
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> im not bothered for splash screens really, just  suprised me
[13:32] <Hew> ActionParsnip, yea. I unchecked "pointer can be controlled using the keypad" even though it didn't control the keypad before, and with numlock on it seems to behave itself
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> cool :D
[13:32] <Hew> thanks for your help :)
[13:33] <Hew> I'm not sure what caused the problem in the first place though :S, hopefully it was a weird transitional issue
[13:33] <IdleOne> I can't seem to get passed the login screen with Alpha4,5 or 6
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: have you tried boot options?
[13:35] <rojanu> Any ideas on what I can do about freeze
[13:35] <IdleOne> ActionParsnip tried with acpi off on alpha5
[13:35] <rojanu> I am using intrepid live cd now
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: try others
[13:36] <IdleOne> such as?
[13:39] <zniavre_> hello
[13:40] <zniavre_> can i have the real source.lst of karmic please ? it's for updating a sourcelist generator and i forgot to backup the original sourcelist ?
[13:51] <jarkko> zniavre_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/274129/ change mirrors to a more suitable for your location
[13:51] <zniavre_> thank you jarkko
[13:52] <jarkko> np
[13:56] <o_portista17> does anyone know how to change the network adapter, from eth1 to eth0 ?
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> o_portista17: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1007285
[14:34] <IdleOne> So karmic hates my machine
[14:34] <IdleOne> maybe it's me personally
[14:34] <nperry> Maybe..
[14:34] <IdleOne> either way karmic is did, done, broken for me and will not boot
[14:42] <maurer_> Is there a reason why there isn't a "do nothing" action for "when power is critically low" in the preferences?
[14:48] <blueyed> What's a good alternative to amarok, that comes with a list of internet streams, e.g. shoutcast.
[14:51]  * blueyed found a workaround for bug 432070 btw
[14:57] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:59] <BluesKaj> hmm, no updates this morning
[15:01] <ding> BluesKaj, you current?
[15:02] <ding> i'm waiting on erlang deps issue
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ding, I must be , but I don't use all the default apps that come with a full install
[15:10] <ding> ahh, still waking up and held up when i got that issue
[15:11] <BluesKaj> ding, you're looking to get your phone working on karmic ?
[15:12] <ding> no phone, just a couple test boxen
[15:12] <BluesKaj> was wondering about erlang , is all
[15:13] <ding> hadn't dug around yet, only saw one mention in the scrollback
[15:13] <ding> these are just default 64 installs
[15:15] <ding> i've got 120-140 updates waiting
[15:15] <BluesKaj> well, I'm still quite p*ssed with karmic's LAN networking ...karmic to windows , np ...karmic to karmic , forget it
[15:15] <ding> checked update&safe-upgrade and they choked on that
[15:16] <ding> lol, remember what alpha is?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, I think samba has seen better days ...maybe I should consider other methods
[15:18] <ding> meh, we don't have win's issues with it
[15:19] <ding> but we have open standards
[15:19] <BluesKaj> office or home ?
[15:19] <ding> ?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> your setup
[15:20] <ding> ms?
[15:20] <ding> i don't have windows
[15:20] <BluesKaj> network
[15:21] <ding> could be either
[15:22] <ding> got a fair connection
[15:22] <ding> not as good as the t3 next door, but i'm not greedy
[15:25] <BluesKaj> strange that my laptop (karmic ) can access the windows pc and rw in it but this desktop just keeps getting the login dialog ...I've done the sharing requirements on the windows pc and the laptop , but still no luck.
[15:26] <ding> samba?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, looking for an alternative tho
[15:28] <ding> depends on what you're trying to do
[15:30] <ding> have you tried and older buntu?
[15:30] <ding> (remember we're still alpha)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> r&w files, transfer files back and forth ...we use wife's pc as a media server cuz this old pc has only 160G , but I do the media stuff on this box
[15:37] <ding> hmm,samba *is* a pain, was going to set up buddies nas but he's not much on it either
[15:38] <ding> trying to remember if there was something,,,,,,, oh yea,,, freenas??
[15:39] <BluesKaj> freenas eh , hmm looking
[15:39] <ding> http://www.freenas.org/
[15:45] <BluesKaj> another partition/OS for networking , not really , but thanks for the suggestion, ding  :)
[15:46] <ding> well, i'm a geek
[15:50] <ding> what kind of error were you getting?
[15:53] <CrocoJet> how is going new kubuntu in this alpha6 ? Too much full of bugs or almost stable ?
[15:56] <ding> CrocoJet, don't run kubuntu, do not sure, safer to test with usb right about now
[15:57] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ding , the user /pw dialog doesn't error out so much as it doesn't accept anything , it repeatedly pops up after using it
[16:00] <ding> BluesKaj, apparmor?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> no, don't think so
[16:02] <ding> BluesKaj, turn on verbose or wireshark?
[16:04] <ding> BluesKaj, or would ssh be fast enough?
[16:05] <MisterN> ding: try ssh, it's convenient and often fast enough.
[16:08] <ding> MisterN, he was having issues on karmic to karmic copy, bouncing ideas around
[16:12] <tgpraveen> gnome bug #594996
[16:18] <Mike1_> netbook-launcher eats 20% CPU! :-(
[16:20] <ding> Mike1_, all the time, or startup?
[16:26] <ding> BluesKaj, duh, i've got 2 karmic boxes here, if you want to check something, only took me this long to think of that
[16:29] <Mike1_> ding: all the time
[16:29] <Mike1_> and after i kill it it respawns :-(
[16:29] <Mike1_> undead process ;-)
[16:30] <ding> Mike1_, as i'm reading teletubbies l4d mod.....
[16:32] <ding> Mike1_, latest? i can grab that and try it on an eee
[16:35] <Mike1_> ding: i just did an upgrade and it‘s gone for now
[16:35] <Mike1_> let’s see if it appears again
[16:36] <ding> Mike1_, guys i know still run 8.04 on nettops (9.04 was meh) and mine on a bunch of different ones
[16:36] <ding> Mike1_, checked lubuntu?
[16:40] <Mike1_> lubuntu?
[16:40] <Mike1_> that with LXDE?
[16:40] <ding> yeah
[16:42] <Mike1_> i’m using a Netbook, and UNR is quite cool for it :-)
[16:42] <ding> Mike1_, it's still alpha, so you woln't be bored w/ a stable system
[16:45] <b1shop> are there any LiveCD guru's here?  I am trying to custimoze the 9.10 cd and it doesnt seem to have squashfs anymore?!
[16:45] <nobled> when i boot karmic it just sends me to a command-line login. how do i check what went wrong?
[16:46] <Mike1_> nobled: consult /var/log/Xorg.0.conf
[16:46] <ding> b1shop, customize an alpha? why do you hate yourself?
[16:47] <b1shop> ding: lol.  it's really just dev and prepping for when 9.10 goes final
[16:50] <Mike1_> WTF?! why do i have graphics stuff in `init 1`?
[16:51] <Mike1_> i need root -_-
[16:52] <Mike1_> or how do i change my username? i have to delete my current one and add a new one i think
[16:52] <tobixen> mike1_: edit /etc/passwd? :-)
[16:53] <tobixen> mike1_: "graphical stuff"?  when I tried I got a text menu with some few options ... and one of them was "drop me into bash as root user"
[16:53] <tobixen> doesn't seem that bad at all to me ;-)
[16:54] <ding> Mike1_, the root is a lie
[16:56] <Mike1_> tobixen: good idea, but i forgot to edit /etc/sudoers -_-
[16:56] <Mike1_> or /etc/group
[16:57] <Mike1_> how do i get into „recovery mode” (where you are automatically root)
[16:57] <Mike1_> ?
[16:58] <Mike1_> damn hidden grub -_-
[16:59] <tobixen> press esc on boot to get up the grub menu?
[17:00] <Mike1_> it does not work because grub is hidden in karmic
[17:00] <tobixen> really?  It isn't for me ...
[17:00] <Mike1_> … afaik it is
[17:00] <Mike1_> did you do an upgrade from Jaunty or a new install?
[17:00] <tobixen> upgrade.
[17:01] <Mike1_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000599.html
[17:01] <Mike1_> idiotic thing if you ask me
[17:02] <Mike1_> let‘s fix it with LFS from usb-stick :-)
[17:02] <BluesKaj> tobixen, sudo update-grub
[17:03] <tobixen> BleusKaj: I'm not sure if I want to do that ;-)
[17:05] <BluesKaj> tobixen, it's the only way to generate a new grub2  conf file ..it wonr break anything
[17:06] <BluesKaj> if you're still on grub-legacy then no harm done
[17:07] <Mike1_> GOD DAMN IT!
[17:08] <Mike1_> i need an exploit, quick plz :D
[17:10] <android60> how can I set the default also capture device on ubuntu server from command line?
[17:11] <Mike1_> capture device, android60?
[17:11] <android60> like instead of mic being line in
[17:11] <Mike1_> what capture device?
[17:11] <android60> i meant alsa*** not also
[17:11] <android60> I used to use alsamixer but thats no longer included
[17:11] <Mike1_> how do you capture something?
[17:12] <Mike1_> i think the package with alsamixer is alsa-utils or something
[17:12] <android60> mythtv backend for 1 of my tv tuners is set to ALSA::DEFAULT, i need to change the default b.c right now im not getting sound
[17:17] <Mike1_> netbook-launcher is still eating my CPU :-(
[17:17] <Mike1_> which is very annoying on a mobile device
[17:19] <Mike1_> it does not cost much performance but battery
[17:24] <Turms> grub2 : is "set root=(hd1,1)" correct when the partition is /dev/sdb1? shouldn't it be (hd1,0) ?
[17:25] <android60> its taking rsync about 25sec to transfer 1gb of files from 1 drive to another in the same system. is that average or slow?
[17:27] <nobled> okay, when i boot there's no gui and no network available, no dbus, or anything. what would i file a bug against exactly?
[17:29] <nperry> nobled: Just to check you have updated havent you?
[17:29] <Turms> grub2 : ok, it is correct
[17:30] <nobled> nperry: how do you do that without a connection?
[17:41] <nperry> Well you can chroot in from a live cd
[17:43] <nperry> Or enter tty
[17:44] <nperry> (Aslong as youve got a network cable connected) file:///home/neil/Download/complete/Music/Muse%20-%20The%20Resistance%20(2009)
[17:44] <nperry> file:///home/neil/Download/complete/Music/Mika%20-%20The%20Boy%20Who%20Knew%20Too%20Much%20(2009)
[17:44] <nperry> file:///home/neil/Download/complete/Music/Jay-Z%20-%20The%20Blueprint%203%20(Bonus%20Tracks)%20(2009)
[17:44] <nperry> file:///home/neil/Download/complete/Music/Dizzee%20Rascal%20-%20Tongue%20N'%20Cheek%20(2009)
[17:44] <nperry> OH shit :/
[17:44] <nperry> Wrong paste
[17:44] <nperry> sudo dhclient
[17:44] <nperry> :P
[17:46] <KDesk> hi
[17:47] <KDesk> in kubunut karmic when I login into kde, the splash freezes in the second icon, but after ~1 min or so, it unfreeze and contines. I don't know which process is causing this. Anyone has this same problem?
[17:51] <nperry> KDesk: best thing to do is install bootchart, reboot then study the /var/log/bootchart image
[17:52] <nperry> See what you can see is hanging during the time
[17:52] <KDesk> nperry: thanks for the tip, I thought that bootchart stops at X startup.
[17:55] <nperry> KDesk: tbh, not sure where it does stop..
[17:56] <KDesk> nperry: anyway I will see if I find the root of the problem with bootchart, thanks!
[17:56] <tgpraveen> is empathy supported by messaging indicator in karmic now?
[18:13] <Armageddon> how's the alpha6 going ?
[18:14] <Armageddon> anyone alive ?
[18:22] <Tallken> Armageddon: that's a negative
[18:22] <Tallken> Armageddon: everyone here is stuck in the boot process
[18:22] <Tallken> xD
[18:22] <Armageddon> negative for which one ?
[18:22] <Armageddon> really ?
[18:22] <Tallken> kidding
[18:22] <Armageddon> well I wasn't gonna upgrade now
[18:22] <Armageddon> I always go for beta and above and help during the process
[18:22] <Tallken> I don't update since a while now, due to fear with the boot process blowing up or something
[18:22] <Tallken> though I believe it's fixed now
[18:23] <Armageddon> I was creating a LiveCD based on +1
[18:23] <Armageddon> :D
[18:23] <Tallken> in this release i was more nuts than usual and went for alpha 5 install
[18:23] <webbb82> how do i install kde 4.3 in karmic  in jaunty i had to enable some backports but doing it from karmic is it any differant?????????
[18:23] <Tallken> webbb82: kde4.3 is the default in the default kubuntu-desktop install
[18:23] <Armageddon> backports ?
[18:23] <Armageddon> :/
[18:24] <Armageddon> webbb82: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[18:26] <webbb82> thank you
[18:26] <Armageddon> your welcome webbb82
[18:26] <Armageddon> even though I've never used +1 yet but seems the same, and I guess it is
[18:26] <webbb82> it said couldnt find kubuntu desktop
[18:27] <Armageddon> kubuntu-desktop
[18:27] <Armageddon> not space
[18:27] <Armageddon> its a -
[18:27] <webbb82> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-dekstop
[18:27] <webbb82> brian@aspire:/$
[18:27] <Tallken>  kubuntu-desktop
[18:28] <Armageddon> dekstop ? :/
[18:28] <webbb82> brian@aspire:/$  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[18:28] <webbb82> [sudo] password for brian:
[18:28] <webbb82> Reading package lists... Done
[18:28] <webbb82> Building dependency tree
[18:28] <webbb82> Reading state information... Done
[18:28] <webbb82> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-dekstop
[18:29] <Armageddon> DEKSTOP ????????
[18:29] <webbb82> oh  haha sorry i just copied what was said
[18:29] <webbb82> i didnt even notice that  im sorry
[18:30] <Armageddon> use the tab key :P
[18:31] <webbb82> ha go figure it couldnt download kubuntu-dekstop
[18:38] <webbb82> whats up with the kubuntu karmic netbook realese
[18:38] <webbb82> i have a netbook
[18:39] <Armageddon> its customized for netbooks
[18:39] <webbb82> mayb e thats what i should use  i didnt like the netbook one for ubuntu i didnt like the app launcher but kde runs a little slow on my netbook
[18:40] <Armageddon> then get the netbook version
[18:41] <webbb82> im halfway threw installin kubuntu desktop
[18:56] <Armagedd1n> sorry to break it to your guys but the booting is not fixed in alpha6 yet either
[18:57] <robin0800> Armageddon: it is here, what do you mean the error messages?
[18:58] <alex-weeej> Error starting domain: AppArmorGenSecurityLabel: cannot generate AppArmor profile 'libvirt-5539255a-03ec-319f-10af-79f8efbf7195'
[18:58] <alex-weeej> can't start my VMs on karmic... :(
[18:58] <alex-weeej> anyone else getting this?
[18:58] <alex-weeej> or know a workaround?
[19:00] <ch_> Hi all. Anyone else got problem whit ecryptfs after last updates? Can't access my home folder. "keyctl_search: Required key not available"
[19:21] <bullgard4> After Jaunty to Karmic upgrade Rhythmbox reports: "No URI handler implemented for »cdda«." How should I implement an URI handler for cdda in order to make Rhythmbox play an audio CD again?
[19:25] <MisterN> bullgard4: by waiting for the release?:)
[19:26] <bullgard4> MisterN: Is this all you are able to solve the problem put?
[19:26] <bullgard4> s/able/able to contribute/
[19:27] <MisterN> bullgard4: yeah i can't contribute more than that.
[19:28] <MisterN> it's an alpha release, so many things can't be expected to work
[19:28] <danbhfive> bullgard4: in the mean time, maybe you could disable cdda, and that might get it working.  It's not like you need the title a cd to enjoy the music on it.
[19:30] <bicyclist> Did anyone els have Segfaults with the console application "webcam" ? As soon as it tries to transfer a pic to an ftp server it crashes.
[19:40] <tgpraveen1> http://ostatic.com/blog/ubuntu-version-9-10-code-named-lucid-lynx
[19:41] <tgpraveen1> ubuntu 10.04 name
[19:42] <[31d1]> lascivious llam
[19:42] <[31d1]> a
[19:42] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[19:43] <rysiek|pl> is it just me, or when an app crashes (at least in kubuntu karmic) and apport starts to try o get the crash data
[19:43] <bullgard4> danbhfive: I do not know how to disable cdda. '~$ ps auxwww | grep rhythmbox; detlef 2905 0.0 1.7<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ? Sl 17:35 0.05 rhythmbox' does not give any hint to cdda as it did in Jaunty.
[19:43] <rysiek|pl> it eats so much RAM that the system almost grinds to a halt?
[19:43] <rysiek|pl> I had apport use 400MiB of RAM, plus cause a load average of 13!
[19:43] <rysiek|pl> is that "normal"?
[19:48] <David-T> rysiek|pl: dunno, but apport got my system up to a load average of 85 when java crashed the other day
[19:48] <rysiek|pl> jeez
[19:48] <penguin42> has anyone had problems with the recent upgrade where Network Manager behaving differently - it seems to be taking a different one of my network configs as the default
[19:48] <David-T> OTOH, its memory usage paled in comparison with evolution which was using 9.9GB when I eventually killed it
[19:48] <rysiek|pl> cant's smoething be done with that
[19:48] <rysiek|pl> with apport that is
[19:48] <rysiek|pl> I had 20+ processes
[19:49] <rysiek|pl> besides, kio_thumbnail is also something that makes me cringe
[19:49] <David-T> dunno, i just got fed up and kileld it
[19:53] <penguin42> Holy f*** sounds working from Flash and an audio player at once!
[19:53]  * penguin42 hasn't had that in about a year
[19:56] <hexa> xd
[20:08] <bullgard4> penguin42: What do you mean by "my network configs"?
[20:10] <penguin42> bullgard4: I have two network settings on network manager; one that dhcps and one that is a static IP - it's been selecting the static one fine for months; after the upgrade today (first since last sunday) after reboot network manager seems to have selected the other one
[20:11] <bullgard4> penguin42: I do not have this error here.
[20:11] <penguin42> nod
[20:11] <keith_> Has anyone else had issues booting from a 64-bit alpha live cd?
[20:12] <keith_> alpha 6*
[20:13] <rysiek|pl> urm
[20:14] <rysiek|pl> alpha 6 isn't out yet, I think
[20:14] <rysiek|pl> lemme check
[20:14] <keith_> I'm quite sure it is. :)
[20:16] <rysiek|pl> keith_: yup, you are right
[20:18] <keith_> rysiek|pl, I can't boot the disc though. I select the option at the menu and it pauses for a bit, and then leaves me at the menu.
[20:23] <penguin42> keiDoes the disc work on another machine?
[20:23] <penguin42> I'm just wondering if it's just a bad burn
[20:26] <keith_> penguin42, tried
[20:26] <keith_> penguin42, also checked the sha1sum
[20:26] <penguin42> hmm - I haven't tried it, I've been running on an upgraded machine
[20:28] <keith_> penguin42, so am I... but for some reason my discs don't seem to be automounting correctly now. At least my DVD drive, so that's why I was going to try a new install
[20:38] <testingirc> howdy...i just bounced in from over at #ubuntu
[20:38] <penguin42> hi
[20:38] <testingirc> any particular reason we are expecting the next ubuntu to break?
[20:38] <penguin42> testingirc: All new stuff has broken bits in - it's still being tested and still changing
[20:39] <testingirc> oh..i got the feeling something exceptional was happening
[20:39] <testingirc> o this is just general beta-ness
[20:39] <penguin42> no
[20:39] <testingirc> cool
[20:39] <testingirc> was worried for a bit
[20:40] <testingirc> i've gotta jet..good talking with you
[20:40] <testingirc> :)
[20:40] <testingirc> hmm...what is the /leave command here?
[20:42] <penguin42> oh you cannot leave.....
[20:42] <AlanBell> you can check out any time you like though
[20:42] <keith_> *ominous music*
[20:42] <testingirc> lol
[20:43] <testingirc> seriously though.../leave isn't working
[20:43] <testingirc> i could just kill the window..but that aint kosher
[20:43] <AlanBell> what IRC client are you using
[20:44] <testingirc> just testing pidgen at the moment
[20:45] <testingirc> im going to try part
[20:46] <keith_> guess that worked
[20:46] <testingirc> that worked
[20:46] <testingirc> fyi
[21:09] <karmic> Hi , I'm experiencing a kernel oops on karmic, apport ask me to post the log but I can't connect to the net in karmic. Can I save the bug info to a file and post it later to launchpad?
[21:12] <bullgard4> karmic: Yes you can. Apport collects a problem report in /var/crash/. You can send it later.
[21:15] <karmic> bullgard4 : thanks
[21:16] <Nareth> alright, I have no idea what happened, I can tell you the output of whatever commands you need though. I installed an update to 9.10 (I've been using it for a while) after I rebooted, it stopped booting into the normal screen, and instead boots to console, any suggestions?
[21:19] <Nareth> it's complaining that "dev/pts" and something else (let me check) isn't mounted
[21:20] <Nareth> and "dev/shm"
[21:23] <penguin42> Nareth: When you said it left you at a console; was that a shell with a # rpompt or was it a login prompt?
[21:24] <Nareth> login prompt
[21:24] <Nareth> (penguin42)
[21:25] <penguin42> Nareth: OK, well login prompt normally means most things worked but it couldn't start X; what machine are you on and what graphics card?
[21:28] <Nareth> thinkpad sl500, laptop
[21:28] <penguin42> what type of graphics? Intel? Nvidia? ATI?
[21:28] <Nareth> lemme check
[21:29] <Nareth> intel
[21:29] <penguin42> hmm, Intel should definitely work
[21:29] <penguin42> ok, what happens if you login and just type startx ?
[21:31] <Nareth> fails, get a long list of  errors, lemme check the log
[21:33] <Nareth> penguin42: unable to open /dev/agpgart
[21:33] <penguin42> Nareth: ls -l /dev/agpgart
[21:34] <Nareth> no such file or directory
[21:34] <penguin42> curious
[21:35] <penguin42> lsmod|grep -i agp
[21:35] <Nareth> agpgart 34988 1 drm
[21:36] <penguin42> lspci | grep -i vga
[21:37] <Nareth> vga compatible controller: Intel corporation mobile 4 series chipset (and so on)
[21:38] <Nareth> (and a number in front of it, 00:02.0)
[21:39] <mikefletcher> I tried karmic alpha six but I get a blank screen when I boot the livecd.  Every other Ubuntu release has worked on this pc.
[21:39] <penguin42> my 945GM machine has the intel_agp module loaded
[21:39] <mikefletcher> I tried disabling X (added text to the boot options) but I still get a blank on bootup.
[21:40] <mikefletcher> I *think* that it happens when setting up the console font but it happens very quickly.
[21:40] <mikefletcher> Anyone have any ideas?  Is there a way to not set the console font on boot.
[21:40] <penguin42> Nareth: OK, what the hell - try sudo modprobe intel_agp
[21:40] <penguin42> mikefletcher: It shouldn't break it - I don't think I've ever seen it break it
[21:41] <Nareth> penguin42: alright
[21:42] <mikefletcher> penguin42: yeah I cannot figure this one out.  I have never had any trouble booting a livecd before.  It happens very near the end of the bootup.
[21:42] <Nareth> penguin42: (no errors)
[21:42] <penguin42> Nareth: OK, has /dev/agpgart appeared?
[21:43] <Nareth> penguin42: not at all
[21:43] <penguin42> Nareth: OK, dmesg ?
[21:43] <penguin42> anything useful near the end?
[21:45] <mikefletcher> Is adding 'text' to the boot options the correct way to boot into a login shell?
[21:46] <Nareth> *errer* cannot initialize the agpgart module.
[21:46] <Nareth> error gah
[21:46] <penguin42> Nareth: Can you get that dmesg output into a pastebin?
[21:47] <hexa> has anybody noticed that the apport ui sucks? :D
[21:47] <hexa> it is not the least fun to report bugs
[21:47] <Nareth> penguin42:  is it possible to write dwesg to a file or osmething?
[21:47] <hexa> every crashing program opens its own window instead all of them beeing put into a listview
[21:47] <penguin42> Nareth: sure, dmesg > myfile
[21:48] <Nareth> Sorry, I havent used dvorak for half a year, hard to type
[21:48] <penguin42> Nareth: Then don't use it now! The human body has had plenty of time to evolve towards Qwerty and if it hasn't manged it yet hard luck
[21:51] <Nareth> I have dvorak set up on my desktop/server which I almost never use, been too lazy to change it
[21:54] <Nareth> penguin42: does usb work in console?
[21:55] <Nareth> As to write the file to a flashdrive.
[21:59] <DWonderly> why would an update me blocked when running the Karmic updates?
[21:59] <DWonderly> me=be
[22:00] <BUGabundo> enh?
[22:01] <DWonderly> devicekit-disks-007-0ubuntu1 is showing up as a blocked update
[22:01] <penguin42> Nareth: Should
[22:02] <dajhorn> DWonderly: Wait a few hours and try again.  You can get non-upgradable packages when the repository doesn't have all dependencies.
[22:04] <DWonderly> dajhorn: Okay, it wasn't a big deal I was just wondering
[22:08] <Amaranth> DWonderly: not blocked here, your mirror must be out of date
[22:08] <DWonderly> hmm, I'll reload and see what it says
[22:09] <DWonderly> Is the type (kubuntu, xubuntu ubuntu) make a difference with mirrors
[22:20] <Nareth> penguin42: I can't figure out how to mount the flashdrive.. I'll go take a pic. of the screen in interests of time
[22:28] <Nareth> alright penguin42: http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=twwm5m2imjm&thumb=4
[22:30] <Nareth> and sorry that took so long.
[22:30] <penguin42> Nareth: What kernel version are you running - uname -a ?
[22:31] <penguin42> Nareth: I think you might be suffering from this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/404421
[22:32] <Nareth> how do I check kernel version? and I'll look into that
[22:32] <penguin42> uname -a
[22:32] <rysiek|pl> humm
[22:33] <rysiek|pl> seems like apport keeps running in background even if I click "don't send"
[22:33] <penguin42> Nareth: But it looks very much like that bug to me - you have the same 'Failed to restore crtc configuration'
[22:33] <rysiek|pl> and eats up resources
[22:33] <rysiek|pl> anybody knows anything on that? should I bugrep it?
[22:34] <Nareth> 2.6.31-10generic #34-ubuntu
[22:34] <penguin42> Nareth: That's the latest I think; still I'd subscribe to that bug 404421 and possibly try that fix that someones posted there
[22:34] <Nareth> alright, thanks
[22:35] <Nareth> I'll see if that helps
[22:47] <slacker_nl> does anyone know how I can download the source of 4.35ubuntu1 ? (4.35ubuntu2 is in the repo's atm)
[22:48] <slacker_nl> uhh, netbase 4.35ubuntu1 is the package I want to download and netbase 4.35ubuntu2 is in the repo's
[22:54] <Turms> what is the reason that not everyone is hit from the AppArmor problem? Bug #375422
[22:54] <BUGabundo> slacker_nl: all sources should be available on launchpad
[22:55] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo: good one
[22:56] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo:  There are no branches for the “netbase” package in Ubuntu in Launchpad.
[22:56] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:56] <BUGabundo> it should be there, I think
[22:57] <slacker_nl> never mind found it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/netbase/4.35ubuntu1
[22:57] <Awsoonn_> I dont know who is responsible for the new 'elecronics' Category but THANK YOU!!!
[22:57] <Awsoonn_> You rock!
[22:57] <pwnguin> electronics category?
[22:57] <slacker_nl> wha?
[22:57] <Awsoonn_> Applications>elecronics
[22:57] <pwnguin> probably debian science
[22:58] <pwnguin> i think the menu went a bit of an overhaul recently
[22:58] <Awsoonn_> it very much did. :) And I like it.
[22:59] <pwnguin> what do you use? i have a lot of EE friends and they all demand pspice or else
[22:59] <Awsoonn_> I always felt silly when I had to go to the Education category to design circuitboards for my clients. :)
[22:59] <pwnguin> tuxmaniac also does some fedora/debian electronics packaging
[23:00] <Awsoonn_> I just use eagle right now, i'm trying to get rid of Pspice xD
[23:00] <pwnguin> the closest ive seen is oregano
[23:01] <pwnguin> obviously if you just use ng-spice command line there's no problem
[23:01] <Awsoonn_> I want to give Oregano a good testing, simulation is wierd though
[23:02] <pwnguin> one thing ive encountered is the absence of tags
[23:02] <pwnguin> if you add two voltage probes, they're unlabeled
[23:03] <pwnguin> http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/tagindex/field%3A%3Aelectronics.html
[23:04] <pwnguin> easyspice in my opinion is not all that useful
[23:06] <Awsoonn_> I really do like Oregano's interface though
[23:06] <Awsoonn_> it's clean and to the point.
[23:25] <BadHorsie> Hi, I don't have /dev/pts nor /dev/shm mounted, mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts returns mount point /dev/pts does not exists, using Karmic
[23:25] <slacker_nl> mount -t devpts /dev/pts devpts ?
[23:26] <penguin42> and what does ls -l /dev/pts show ?
[23:26] <BadHorsie> There's no /dev/pts file/dir
[23:27] <penguin42> curious
[23:27] <karmic> Hi, is it real that packagekit will replace gnome-app-install?
[23:29] <cwillu-laptop> I'm not sure about this whole 'empathy' thing
[23:30] <BUGabundo> cwillu eh
[23:30] <BUGabundo> that's why I stuck with Pidgin :)
[23:30] <cwillu-laptop> trying it out for irc :p
[23:31]  * BUGabundo thinks cwillu is overdoing on nicks :)
[23:31] <cwillu-laptop> any way to make it just open a window?
[23:31] <cwillu-laptop> BUGabundo: I'm on 3 computer, sue me :p
[23:31]  * penguin42 installs the kernel-wedge package ....
[23:31]  * BUGabundo sends email to lawyer
[23:31]  * cwillu-laptop quickly reconnects via tor
[23:32]  * BUGabundo sends another email to NSA or any other 3 letter secret agency
[23:33] <cwillu-laptop> doesn't integrate with irc very well at all
[23:33] <cwillu-laptop> in other news, it
[23:33] <cwillu-laptop> it seems my enter key is too close to my apostrophe key
[23:34] <cwillu-laptop> ... in other news, it's nice to see upstart finally getting some nontrivial use in ubuntu
[23:34] <penguin42> what's it being used for ?
[23:34] <cwillu-laptop> everything :p
[23:34]  * penguin42 gently wonders if this is where peoples /dev/pts went
[23:34] <BUGabundo> ........ ....... in other news would be great to see my login speed improve instead growing due to EYE CANDY
[23:35] <cwillu-laptop> the last batch of updates that I looked through the changelogs for had upstart jobs coming in for all sorts of packages
[23:35] <cwillu-laptop> BUGabundo: upstart helps that
[23:35] <cwillu-laptop> although I don't see any upstart jobs now
[23:35] <penguin42> anyone know anything about patching deb kernel packages?
[23:36]  * penguin42 has manually patched the files after an apt-get source and now wants to change the version number - there seems to be a debian.master as well as debian dir though
[23:37] <cwillu-laptop> an in fact, I'd be amazed if xsplash itself had any real impact on boot-to-desktop-time
[23:37] <cwillu-laptop> -an
[23:37] <BadHorsie> I had to start udev, hal, network-manager and gdm by hand also
[23:37] <penguin42> that really does sound like an upstrat screw up
[23:38] <cwillu-laptop> it is, I just looked at the gdm changelog, there's a fix already for that
[23:38] <cwillu-laptop>   * The upstart job won't start unless hal is also started, so add an
[23:38] <cwillu-laptop>     appropriate versioned dependency on the upstarted hal.
[23:38] <BadHorsie> Alright
[23:39] <cwillu-laptop> oh, there they are
[23:39] <cwillu-laptop> /etc/init
[23:39] <cwillu-laptop> forgot that was the name
[23:40] <BadHorsie> In fact, I kinda recall seeing a /lib/init/upstart-job had an "s" in line 46 which ... command not found of course
[23:41] <cwillu-laptop> anyone know if vbox and company uses dkms properly yet?
[23:42] <cwillu-laptop> omg!  deleting /etc/inicators/messages/applications/evolution makes evolution disappear from the damned messaging menu!
[23:45] <penguin42> cwillu-laptop: I have seen dkms get run for them for ages
[23:52] <slacker_nl> that was fun
[23:52] <slacker_nl> upgrading my machine, it completly hangs :/
[23:54] <slacker_nl> btw, what is the reason to start using upstart?
[23:54] <penguin42> slacker_nl: It can deal with starting stuff in parallel and is quite flexible
[23:55] <DanaG> For me, it just makes the full off -> desktop transition slower.
[23:56] <DanaG> There's a whole lotta' disk thrashing going on.