[09:35] <jpds> gb.archive.ubuntu.com-hilight++
[14:28] <Pici> ...
[14:44]  * Pici sighs
[14:59] <Jordan_U> h00k: You can save a lot of flooding by combining your -b s.
[15:00] <Pici> yes
[15:00] <Pici> I have a bash script somewhere that will do it.
[15:01] <Jordan_U> I have a script that does it from a copy-paste from the ban tracker web page.  I just copypasta'd from rww, I'm quite distracted at the moment
[15:09] <Pici> http://nullcortex.com/upload/unban/unban.html
[15:10] <h00k> Pici: and that takes each line as '*!*@whatever' as an agrument?
[15:10] <h00k> er, a file with those lines?
[15:10] <Pici> Yes
[15:11]  * h00k staples this to his forehead
[15:11] <Pici> so... ./unban.sh yourfile.bans q   would do /mode -qqqq foo bar baz bup    or -b if you don't specify anything.
[16:07] <Pici> I'm trying to get some work done, but someone should probably keep an eye on what abstrakt says.
[16:08] <ikonia> ok
[16:57] <rww> what the, we lost +f at some point
[16:57] <rww> which of you broke it
[17:01] <ikonia> posssibly me when I was removing a ton of bans this morning ?
[17:01] <rww> I don't like this answer, as it isn't IdleOne admitting guilt.
[17:01]  * rww blames IdleOne
[17:02] <Pici> nothing in my backlog
[17:02] <IdleOne> I'll admit to breaking a lot of things but I don't mess with the channel modes
[17:02] <IdleOne> I blame rww
[18:59]  * Pici is tired of people not listening to him
[19:04] <h00k> Pici: did you say something?
[19:05] <h00k> Pici: I see now.
[19:56] <Koheleth> gUYS WHY AM i BANNED
[19:56] <Koheleth> opps
[19:56] <Koheleth> oops even
[19:57] <Koheleth> well anyone?
[19:57] <Pici> Koheleth: Do you recall speaking to ikona the other night, say.. the 9th?
[19:58] <Koheleth> probably, he got what he gave I think
[19:58] <Koheleth> off topic
[19:59] <Pici> 'excessive enter, obfuscated swearing, generally annoying, controversial topics.'
[19:59] <Koheleth> think I said sry
[19:59] <Koheleth> geez we all make mistakes
[19:59] <Koheleth> bit harsh
[20:00] <Pici> You were also insulting, and warned that you should not IRC while drunk before the kick and ban occured.
[20:00] <Koheleth> no one proved I was drunk, just typing a wind up
[20:01] <Koheleth> it was off topic
[20:01] <Pici> I call it like I see it.
[20:01] <Koheleth> Ok judge and jury :)
[20:02] <Pici> I'm just looking at the notes on the ban. I wasn't present when it was placed.
[20:02] <Koheleth> whats new
[20:03] <Koheleth> irc is very impersonal
[20:03] <Pici> Well, it says to wait a week because you continued to be abusive to ikonia in pm after being removed.
[20:03] <Koheleth> he never contacted me just meeted out his impulsive whim
[20:03] <Pici> I don't know what that last line meant.
[20:04] <Koheleth> never, mind, so I have to wait a week because of him
[20:05] <Koheleth> still say its a bit harsh
[20:05] <ikonia> I'm here
[20:05] <ikonia> sorry, only just go back, apologies for being slow
[20:05] <Pici> Koheleth: You're free to return when ikonia is around...
[20:05] <Pici> oh, or that works.
[20:05] <Pici> good timing ;)
[20:05] <ikonia> higligts tend to work when I'm not watching the screen
[20:06] <Koheleth> ikonia: whats your beef with me
[20:06] <ikonia> I don't have a beef with you
[20:06] <ikonia> I left the ban in place as while you where aplogising in this channel, you where being abusive and rude to me in pm
[20:06] <Koheleth> thats fine
[20:06] <Koheleth> sry LOrd
[20:06] <Koheleth> :)
[20:07] <ikonia> don't be silly with me, you've asked a question and I'm giving you a straight answer
[20:07] <rww> (further splits coming, for anyone without +w set)
[20:07] <Koheleth> I replied, with respect
[20:07] <h00k> rww: thank you
[20:08] <ikonia> ok, I can't be bothered with this, if you consider responding with "sorry lord" as a genuine response to me stating that you are banned partly due to sending me abuse in pm, I see no point discussing it
[20:08] <ikonia> I'll return to what I was doing it, come back when you can actually communicate normally
[20:08] <rww> h00k: about 5 EU servers, ETA within 15 minutes
[20:09] <rww> ... goddamnit, I'm on calvino :<
[20:09] <Koheleth> ikonia:  I am sry but you are just a bit stuck in your ways
[20:09] <IdleOne> no taking the lords name in vain please
[20:09] <h00k> I'm on prachett.
[20:10] <Koheleth> IdleOne: so its a Christian site here?
[20:10] <h00k> Koheleth: Please come back in a few days, and when you're ready to communicate normally.
[20:10] <IdleOne> Koheleth: this is a "respect everybody" environment.
[20:11] <Koheleth> Geez, its not me
[20:11] <Koheleth> it's ops as usual
[20:11] <h00k> ubottu: tell Koheleth about guidelines
[20:11] <h00k> ubottu: tell Koheleth about CoC
[20:11] <IdleOne> Koheleth: ikonia has told you that the ban won't be removed at this time. Please part and don't ban evade again. I also suggest you read the Ubuntu code of conduct and the Ubuntu guidelines to better understand our position.
[20:12] <h00k> Koheleth: Before you return, please review those as well.
[20:12] <Koheleth> irc needs a massive overall with op power etc and who they are
[20:12] <IdleOne> !canibeanop > Koheleth
[20:12] <IdleOne> apply and maybe you can help us fix it.
[20:13] <rww> Stop recruiting Koheleth, I want him for staff :<
[20:13] <IdleOne> baby steps rww
[20:13] <h00k> We got there first!
[20:14]  * h00k backs down
[20:14] <h00k> rww has more powers.
[20:14] <Koheleth> thank you
[20:14] <Koheleth> nice offer and very interested
[20:15] <Koheleth> I'll be back
[20:33] <Myrtti> there we go
[20:33] <Myrtti> better already
[21:13] <dtsuser> How can I add a channel
[21:15] <Jordan_U> dtsuser: Hi. You've been forwarded here (#ubuntu-ops) from Ubuntu.
[21:16] <Jordan_U> dtsuser: I banned you from #ubuntu because it's not acceptable to abuse someone when they simply tell you #ubuntu's policy of only supporting Ubuntu.
[21:17] <dtsuser> Jordan_U> who are you to ban me? Who gave you the right...I asked a simple question
[21:18] <Jordan_U> I see dtsuser completely understands why they were banned and has learned from the experience.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> obviously, yes. A most pleasant person ...
[21:25] <IdleOne> I think we voted on it.
[21:25] <IdleOne> and Jordan_U lost, that is what gives him the right.


[00:00] <Jimbo> then in kubuntu it was pretty cool also. But that's just more KDE stuff.
[00:00] <knome> i used ubuntu until hardy, then changed to xubuntu
[00:01] <Jimbo> hmmm only issue with ubuntu was it was getting nice and plug and play but then bloated.
[00:01] <Jimbo> which is just gonna happen when moving to plug and play stuff.  Like top to bottom. And gnome doesn't allow locking which is annoying..
[00:02] <SpiffyBalak> hmm, would putting "pkill gam_server" in /etc/rc.local run it at startup/login?
[00:02] <knome> they always died.
[00:02] <Jimbo> hehe. but that's why xfce has been my favorite....
[00:02] <Jimbo> along with more minimalist ones like dwm and such. :D
[00:13] <knome> i will fade away now. good night.
[00:15] <Jimbo> 'nite.
[02:50] <sindre> hehey! tryig  to install xfce 4.4.3  from the graphical installer. and keep getting an alsa error. checking for alsa >= 0.9.0... not found
[02:50] <sindre> *** The required package alsa was not found on your system.
[02:50] <sindre> *** Please install alsa (atleast version 0.9.0) or adjust
[02:50] <sindre> *** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[02:50] <sindre> *** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
[02:50] <sindre> *** pkg-config is able to find it.
[02:50] <sindre> !! Failed to configure xfce4-mixer, see the errors above
[02:50] <sindre> !! for details on the problem. im quite shure that ive installed alsa. what am I doin wrong?
[02:51] <sindre> can someone please help me.  :) I guess it's a new system and I'm still trying to learn it.
[04:28] <xubuser> hehe, dropped off due to hung xfce.
[04:28] <xubuser> :)
[04:39] <xubuser> cody-somerville: u there?
[05:14] <xubuser> cody-somerville: awn wants compiz?
[05:32] <rshakin> hey guys whats an easy way to edit the menu
[05:32] <rshakin> i need to remove some wine links that it has created
[07:03] <Johnnye343> what are the system requirments for the latest version?
[08:57] <ketsueki^> Hello all!
[08:57] <ketsueki^> I'm a "fresh" xubuntu user, having some problems with the external USB drive I used to connect to my Windows-operated machine.
[08:58] <ketsueki^> Anyone willing to help?
[08:58] <ketsueki^> Thanks in advance.
[09:00] <blacklips> Hello, im using xfce under debian and just wanted to know which xfwm and gtk theme xubuntu is using
[09:03] <blacklips> in intrepid ipex ofcourse
[09:05] <cody-somerville> Tis' a secret :P
[09:06] <blacklips> ok
[09:07] <ketsueki^> Please help, guys. I can connect the external HDD without much problems and browse files on it, play my music library and whatnot - but I can't change anything on the drive. Like renaming existing files, saving new data etc.
[09:08] <ketsueki^> Also, it has quite a "weird" name, as it appears on my desktop as "500G Sound Volume" or something along those lines - also can't change that.
[09:08] <ketsueki^> Driving me mad and I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Linux distros. :)
[09:11] <blacklips> ketsueki^, even if i'm not a xubuntu user. This might be a problem with ntfs-3g and the filesystem of the harddisk
[09:12] <ketsueki^> It was a NTFS drive in Windows, as far as I remember.
[09:12] <blacklips> would be anybody so nice to look up the default themes of xubuntu 8.10?
[09:13] <ketsueki^> Should I format it using FAT32? Would that help in anyway?
[09:13] <blacklips> then you might install ntfs-3g or search for it in google. I'm not that experienced with it
[09:13] <ketsueki^> I need it to be a "swap" drive, so that both Linux and Windows operated machines can access it.
[09:14] <blacklips> no ntfs is working properly in linux you just have to install it
[09:14] <ketsueki^> I'm browsing the xubuntu help forums, but I can't find the exact problem. :)
[09:14] <blacklips> or it might be something related to groups, that you don't have permission to rw the disk
[09:15] <ketsueki^> Ok, I'll read about ntfs-3g thingy in a minute, thanks.
[09:18] <burim> hello
[09:18] <burim> how can i open a file as root user?
[09:19] <ketsueki^> I believe you need to use the terminal
[09:19] <ketsueki^> I couldn't access the root account using xubuntu GUI.
[09:21] <ketsueki^> Type sudo passwd
[09:21] <ketsueki^> then enter your system password and you'll be able to set the new password just for ROOT account
[09:21] <ketsueki^> after this operation you may access the root account from terminal by simply typing su
[09:22] <burim> yea i know how to do it through the terminal, i was hoping there was an easier way
[09:22] <burim> thanks
[09:23] <ketsueki^> if there is, I don't know it, sorry :)
[09:23] <ketsueki^> couldn't find any info on the net on how to use it from "desktop"
[09:28] <blacklips> No one could answer my simple question?
[09:29] <blacklips> :-(
[09:30] <ketsueki^> sorry blacklips, tried to find something on it, but I all gather are some people reccomendations for custom themes
[09:30] <ketsueki^> I guess the info is out there, but it'll take some digging in google
[09:30] <blacklips> well do you have running xubuntu 8.10?
[09:31] <blacklips> than you might look it up in the appearence section of the settings
[09:31] <ketsueki^> will check, please wait a minute
[09:33] <ketsueki^> "user interface preferences"?
[09:35] <ketsueki^> the default theme under the user preferences tab is "MurrinaStormCloud", and the icon theme is "Tango"
[09:36] <ketsueki^> is that what you were searching for?
[09:37] <spowney> when editing terminal config file I came across misc.inherit.geometry=false anyone want to explain this option to me plz
[09:39] <blacklips> ketsueki^, yes and also the windowmanager theme
[09:39] <blacklips> tanks
[09:39] <blacklips> *h
[09:40] <ketsueki^> ok, the windowmanager theme is "Xfwm4.5-svn"
[09:40] <ketsueki^> if that's what you mean :)
[09:41] <blacklips> yeah thats great
[09:41] <blacklips> thank you
[09:42] <ketsueki^> no problems, the ntfs-3g thingy helped
[09:42] <ketsueki^> I can finally manage my files
[09:42] <ketsueki^> so thanks go to you :)
[09:42] <ketsueki^> ok, with that I take my leave, have a good day
[10:16] <DaveKong> I just installed Xubuntu 8.1, then restarted and the panels disappeared... anyone know why or how to fix it?
[10:23] <gabkdlly> DaveKong: alt-f2 -> xfce4-panel
[10:23] <gabkdlly> i guess something did not shut down cleanly
[10:26] <DaveKong> gabkdlly, ok thanks that worked
[10:30] <floating> anyone using some other distros than xubuntu ? some other lite distros
[10:31] <gabkdlly> there is ubuntulite, but I have never used it
[10:31] <gabkdlly> fluxbuntu too, I think
[10:31] <floating> fluxbuntu is not very convenient
[10:32] <DaveKong> I tried flux and had problems with installation
[10:32] <floating> u-lite seems like a small project
[10:32] <floating> not a 8.10 out yet even
[10:33] <DaveKong> arch-linux is good if you want to put in the effort
[10:33] <DaveKong> flux is a good wm and pcman for file manager
[10:36] <DaveKong> depends what you are trying to do what is best
[10:37] <floating> u-lite is tempting, that lxde looks similar to xfce
[10:38] <floating> when i tried fluxbuntu, by default the menus were reachable only by rightclick and some else disturinbg things :o
[10:38] <floating> font was small
[10:38] <floating> guess it can be twaked... and there was maybe something bugging :o
[10:39] <DaveKong> I make all the fonts size 12 first thing when install
[10:39] <DaveKong> I can't stand any of the ubuntu font sizes
[10:40] <DaveKong> and use bit-stream vera sans roman for monospace fonts
[10:40] <DaveKong> bit-stream vera sans mono roman...
[10:40] <floating> my grub got borked and they assisted me to do a format and start from clean.. but somehow i would like to try something else than xubuntu this time. been using xubuntu for last 3 years i guess... before that i had ubuntu
[10:41] <DaveKong> you should be able to fix grub without re-installing
[10:41] <floating> yeah, i still could i guess.
[10:42] <floating> it got borked during the 804 810 upgrade
[10:42] <DaveKong> borked?
[10:42] <floating> grub-update dont work
[10:43] <floating> then reinstalled kernel images to get maintainers menu.lst but xubuntu becomes unbootable
[10:43] <floating> problem is that in grub it points to old kernel
[10:43] <DaveKong> can't tell it to point to the new one?
[10:44] <floating> they said that i can manually edit menu.lst but thats not the right way to do it
[10:44] <floating> someone said that i should try grub-install
[10:45] <floating> im going to try those things today i guess... if i have time after my duties
[10:45] <DaveKong> I would take a look at the grub man page
[10:45] <DaveKong> good luck
[11:40] <homebrewcider> how do I get the nvidia driver "in use". Via system>hardware drivers it is listed as activated but not in use
[12:41] <nikolam> I have trouble with my default installation.
[12:42] <nikolam> It keeps re-checking during boot , does not finish checking and won`t start X
[12:42] <nikolam> Partition is situated ontom raid1 software device
[13:14] <nikolam> I finished fsck it, will restart
[15:47] <sinbox> hi there, just installed xubuntu on an old vaio and currently RTFM, I'm sure I'll still have questions to ask though, so catch you later
[15:48] <vidd> sinbox, we will be here to help if ya need us
[16:02] <sinbox> adding some repositories now, it seems that this functions slightly differently to ubuntu-studio 7.19 which I've been using until now,
[16:30] <Ad0> W: Failed to fetch http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[16:31] <vidd> Ad0, get a different repo set (use a different mirror)
[16:31] <Ad0> bah
[16:31] <Ad0> is the norwegian one broken ?
[16:31] <knome> seems like it.
[16:31] <Ad0> or is it just a tad late?
[16:31] <Ad0> ok
[16:32] <knome> loading times don't usually differ even if you used the main server.
[16:32] <knome> if you don't have a 100/100 cable :P
[16:32] <Ad0> hehe
[16:33] <Ad0> I have to find out how to switch a repo then
[16:34] <vidd> Ad0, do you use synaptic?
[16:35] <Ad0> no I just use the command line
[16:35] <Ad0> I could use synaptic though
[16:36] <vidd> in synaptic, setting->repositories
[16:36] <vidd> change the "download from" box
[16:38] <Ad0> yeah
[16:38] <Ad0> I changed to sweden
[16:38] <vidd> any better?
[16:38] <Ad0> that worked much better
[16:38] <Ad0> thanks
[16:39] <Ad0> shit tons of stuff has changed
[16:39] <vidd> Ad0, language
[16:40] <vidd> Ad0, if you know your local archive manager, you might want to bring it to thier attention
[16:40] <Ad0> I don't know them
[16:42] <sinbox> I thought pulseaudio was going to be the default sound system on 8.04, before I try it has anyone used it and is it working well?
[16:42]  * TheSheep has given up on it
[16:42] <TheSheep> sinbox: it the default on ubuntu, xubuntu doesn't use any
[16:43] <vidd> sinbox, ive heard of some "flacky" behaviour
[16:43] <vidd> *flakey*
[16:43]  * vidd gives up on spelling!
[16:45] <sinbox> hehe, don't worry too much about the spelling, I guess I'll give it a try as it sounds interesting though and this laptop is mainly for mobile audio recording projects
[17:10] <sinbox> arghh, I hate synaptic touchpad with my clumsy fingers. Is there any way I can disable the fancy feature so it only works as a mouse?
[17:13] <TheSheep> sinbox: install gsynaptics-mcs-plugin
[17:14] <TheSheep> sinbox: you will have touchpad settings in the settings manager then
[17:20] <sinbox> thanks TheSheep
[17:21] <xubuser> Hello People.
[17:22] <vidd> hello xubuser
[17:22] <xubuser> Installed OpenJDK Client VM (Iced Tea) but in FF3, it still says missing plugin.
[17:23] <xubuser> then if finds some plugins and goes thru the installation and never manages to successfully install....
[17:23] <Snyper`> use the real thing :/
[17:23] <vidd> xubuser, i found that its just easier to use the sun-java6-plugin
[17:23] <Snyper`> sun-java6-*
[17:23] <Snyper`> what vidd said
[17:23] <vidd> heh
[17:23] <xubuser> vidd: Sun Java from FF3, from package manager install the right one....
[17:24] <vidd> xubuser, there are issues with the Iced Tea .... i think you have to manually edit a file
[17:24] <vidd> (unless that was fixed)
[17:25] <xubuser> vidd: ok, so pick from FF3 or just synaptic?
[17:25] <xubuser> I don't mind either or. I just need java applets running. :)
[17:25] <nclife> Hello. How can I mount my external hda? Do I have to change my fstab? If so, how?
[17:25] <Snyper`> wild guess but you might need jre also
[17:25] <vidd> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[17:26] <vidd> Snyper`, that will pull all the depends in with it
[17:26] <Snyper`> figured so
[17:26] <xubuser> vidd: ok, that sounds good. Uninstalling the openjdk one first. :)
[17:26] <vidd> nclife, thunar does not auto-mount it?
[17:26] <xubuser> thanks guys....
[17:26] <vidd> xubuser, make sure you --purge it
[17:26] <xubuser> vidd: --purge with apt-get?
[17:27] <nclife> vidd, nope. It automounted when I had ubuntu though
[17:27] <Snyper`> ah thanks vidd for reminding me.. need to remove thunar
[17:27] <vidd> nclife, i never had any issue with usb drives automounting in xubuntu (but it has been a while since i tried)
[17:27] <jorg3> hi how i can us my infra red
[17:27] <jorg3> in xubuntu
[17:28] <xubuser> jorg3: like your ir remote control?
[17:29] <jorg3> where i can found that
[17:29] <nclife> damn. My keyboards layout changed to us again... How was it to change it again? I remember I had to enter a script and just change something there
[17:29] <nclife> I cant remember the name of the document I had to change though
[17:30] <vidd> !keyboard
[17:30] <vidd> !infrared
[17:30] <vidd> =\
[17:30] <vidd> !ir
[17:30] <vidd> bah!
[17:30] <xubuser> vidd: search for lirc
[17:31] <vidd> xubuser, its not even for me!
[17:31] <vidd> xubuser, jorg3 wants infrared to work
[17:31] <xubuser> vidd: hehe, I figured with those !<search> you were throwing you might as well do one more. :)
[17:31] <jorg3> in a repo site or something else
[17:31] <vidd> !lirc
[17:31] <vidd> !info lirc
[17:31] <xubuser> vidd: hehe, guess I just didn't wanna do !lirc myself. LO. :)
[17:32] <vidd> !info lirc | jorg3,
[17:32] <jorg3> ok thanx i'll try
[17:32] <vidd> hehe the bot's been getting smarter =]
[17:33] <nclife> what da heck? on /etc/X11/xorg.conf I have keyboard layout put to "es", but, for some strange reason, my keyboards layout changed to "us"
[17:33] <vidd> nclife, did that help you any?
[17:34] <jorg3> somebody know how to upgrade xubuntu xfc 4.4.2 to 4.4.3
[17:34] <nclife> vidd, lt me check
[17:35] <vidd> jorg3, it is not in the repo's so you would have to get it from xfce.org and compile it yourself
[17:35] <jorg3> ok
[17:36] <vidd> nclife, or...go into applications->settings manager->keyboard
[17:36] <vidd> =]
[17:36] <nclife> vidd, yes, it changed back. thanks :)
[17:36] <vidd> did i miss anyone? =]
[17:37] <nclife> now, I just have this mounting trouble
[17:37] <nclife> :p
[17:37] <nclife> I'm gonna ask in #ubuntu, shouldn't be that laborious
[17:37] <vidd> nclife, if ubuntu does it automajikly....they may not know the answer....
[17:38] <vidd> nclife, what file manager do you have?
[17:38] <nclife> ext3
[17:38] <nclife> is that the right answer?
[17:38] <vidd> nclife, no...that is the file format.....
[17:38] <nclife> err :p
[17:38] <nclife> ah, like nautilus and such?
[17:38] <vidd> examples are thunar, nautilus, PCMan, etc
[17:39] <vidd> yes
[17:39] <nclife> the defaulft xubuntu file manager then
[17:39] <vidd> thunar?
[17:39] <nclife> thunar I think
[17:39] <nclife> yes, I suppose so
[17:39] <vidd> hrm...last i knew, thunar automounted usb drives
[17:39] <nclife> It does auto-mount my flash memories
[17:40] <vidd> but like i said B4...i havent tryed in quite some time
[17:40] <nclife> I'm thinking, I have to somehow include my hd into fstab or something like that
[17:40] <vidd> nclife, unplug the drive, and plug it back in
[17:40] <xubuser> vidd: thanks for your help. it works now. :)
[17:41] <nclife> can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab <-- that's what the cl would say
[17:41] <xubuser> gotta reboot X to try out composite stuff. :) See you later. :)
[17:41] <vidd> if your bios is assigning it a drive letter, then it will need to be added to fstab.....
[17:41] <nclife> would you know how to do that?
[17:42] <vidd> if you unplug it and plug it back into another usb jack and it automounts...this will confirm my suspison
[17:42] <vidd> i have an idea
[17:42] <nclife> ok, Im gonna try that
[17:42] <vidd> but like i said...this is not my area of expertise
[17:44] <vidd> nclife, any luck?
[17:44] <nclife> niope
[17:44] <nclife> nope*
[17:44] <nclife> nothing happened
[17:44] <dcolish> hey vidd
[17:45] <vidd> dcolish, yeah?
[17:45] <nclife> oh wait, yes!
[17:45] <nclife> neat, thanks a lot :)
[17:45] <dcolish> just saying hi
[17:45] <vidd> nclife, this means your kernel is recognizing it as a hard drive on boot....
[17:46] <vidd> if you intend to leave it plugged in, you need to add it to fstab....
[17:46] <nclife> I see
[17:46] <vidd> if it is going to hot-plugged...then have it not plugged in during boot or reboot
[17:46] <deus_> an hypotetical here, imagine you deleted the entire /boot partition
[17:47] <deus_> then just created /boot/grub folder and ran grup-update
[17:47] <dcolish> deus_:  how hypothetical?
[17:47] <vidd> deus_, get a live cd
[17:47] <deus_> then rebooted
[17:47] <deus_> im using something called super grub disk
[17:47] <vidd> deus_, excelent choice
[17:47] <nclife> vidd, so I should disconnect the hard drive before any boot or reboot until I add it to fstab?
[17:48] <dcolish> correct me if i'm wrong but your kernel image is in /boot so you'll need to generate a new kernel too
[17:48] <vidd> nclife, it just depends....you want it permanantly assigned (throwing errors if its not plugged in)?
[17:49] <nclife> I want what is best in your opinion :p
[17:49] <deus_> vidd: im having problems making headway though
[17:50] <vidd> dcolish, deus_ exactly...you need to back up the data and reinstall (or...if your data is on seperate partitions....just reinstall and set the /home partitions etc to not format
[17:50] <vidd> nclife, the quickest, fastest, easiest way is to unplug/replug
[17:51] <nclife> vidd, is it also healthy for the hard drive?
[17:51] <vidd> deus_, if the entire /boot directory is gone, your scewed
[17:51] <dcolish> deus_: if you're not familiar with kernel building and boot procedure, vidd's advice is best
[17:51] <dcolish> however feel free to try this: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html
[17:51] <vidd> nclife, the hard drive will never notice =]
[17:52] <nclife> kewl :)
[17:52] <nclife> thanks again
[17:52] <vidd> nclife, np
[17:53] <deus_> dcolish: how can i compile the kernel when i cant boot the system?
[17:53] <vidd> deus_, is your /home partition and other data files on diferent partitions? or did you set the entire system on one partition?
[17:53] <deus_> vidd: everything else is on an lvm partition
[17:54] <dcolish> are they all in the same volume group?
[17:54] <vidd> take my advice....your best bet is to back up your data files using a live cd and start from scratch
[17:54] <deus_> no root is not lvm
[17:55] <vidd> wait....
[17:55] <vidd> the /boot is part of / (root).....
[17:55] <slimjimflim> hi, anyone know the lowest level way to check if my usb device is recognized?
[17:55] <dcolish> deus_: thats not what you said before, although. What exactly is your
[17:55] <deus_> not boot is own partition
[17:56] <dcolish> ok
[17:56] <vidd> did you deliberately put /home on a different drive then the system files?
[17:56] <vidd> slimjimflim, yeah...plug it in
[17:56] <dcolish> slimjimflim: lspci
[17:56] <deus_> yes, its on no different drive, but i created an lvm system to serve my home folder alone
[17:56] <vidd> dcolish, i was getting to that =]
[17:57] <vidd> but its lsusb
[17:57] <dcolish> vidd: sorry too many cooks... i thought lspci would show usb devices too? or just the controller maybe
[17:57] <vidd> deus_, then your (sort of) in luck
[17:58] <deus_> the hardrive that got /boot  /  and  some of the lvm partition is on the same hardrive but different partition, if i didnt clearly convey that.
[17:58] <vidd> deus_, if you re-install just the way you did B4, but set the LVM to NOT FORMAT, you should be fine
[17:58] <vidd> BUT BACK UP THE DATA FIRST!!!!!!!
[17:59]  * vidd can never say this too often
[17:59] <deus_> vidd: i know that, im just looking for a way to not having to configure my system anew, my lvm partition have survived 3 different linux installs ;)
[18:00] <deus_> cant a live cd fix the /boot partition alone=
[18:00] <deus_> ?
[18:01] <deus_> I mean, what seperate me from this mess was if i did the grub-install command
[18:02] <dcolish> deus_: you will still need to rebuild the kernel image that used to be at /boot, there is no way around it
[18:02] <vidd> deus_, grub-install will do nothing because you deleted the kernel
[18:02] <jorg3> some keys of my keyboard dont work
[18:02] <dcolish> grub-install will only refresh your boot loader, but right now you've got nothing to boot
[18:03] <vidd> deus_, your going to have to reconfigure your system no matter what
[18:03] <vidd> if the lvm survived 3 installs, it should have no problem surviving the 4th
[18:04] <vidd> deus_, your just going to re-do what you did last time you installed *buntu
[18:06] <slimjimflim> ok from lsusb i get:
[18:06] <slimjimflim> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[18:06] <slimjimflim> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[18:06] <slimjimflim> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[18:06] <dcolish> !pastebin | slimjimflim
[18:06] <slimjimflim> i assume that means the kernel sees the device
[18:06] <vidd> dcolish, your too fast for me!
[18:06] <slimjimflim> it was only 3 lines
[18:06] <deus_> vidd: i deleted the kernel? in /boot?
[18:06] <dcolish> haha, fastest fingers in the east!
[18:07] <vidd> deus_, yes...since /boot is where the kernel is stored
[18:07] <slimjimflim> er sees the usb 'card'
[18:07] <slimjimflim> but when i plug in, ie. a usb keyboard, i don't even get a light
[18:07] <vidd> deus_, it will be about 3 times faster to re-install then to manually fix what you broke
[18:08] <dcolish> vidd: deus_: I think you can technically use a livecd to regenerate the kernel, read that kernel how to if you want to try it, but seriously consider re-installing
[18:08] <vidd> slimjimflim, it sees the card, but no devices plugged into the card
[18:08] <slimjimflim> vidd, yea and that's where i run out of ideas
[18:09] <slimjimflim> i've tried lsusb
[18:09] <deus_> but here is the thing, i was able to install nvidia drivers manually after the update, and i deleted /boot before i ran update-manager -d
[18:09] <slimjimflim> btw this is on hardy
[18:10] <vidd> deus_, why on earth would you want to delete /boot anyway?
[18:10] <dcolish> deus_: you can delete a binary after the process runs and it will still work
[18:10] <vidd> until reboot
[18:10] <dcolish> right
[18:10] <dcolish> or process end, which ever comes first :)
[18:11] <vidd> as soon as you noticed your ooppsie, you should have run "sudo apt-get install [kernel image]
[18:11] <deus_> vidd: had the clear room for the upgrade *whistles*
[18:11] <vidd> D'OH!!!!
[18:11] <dcolish> well thats actually kinda ironic
[18:12] <deus_> Also, 101 mb is NOT enough for everyone
[18:12] <vidd> deus_, just re-run your install like you did before to preserve your LVM
[18:12] <vidd> 101mb????
[18:12] <vidd> are you NUTS?
[18:12] <knome> 101MB of what?
[18:13] <vidd> your / partition should be at least 4 gb
[18:13] <knome> lol
[18:13] <deus_> vidd: you do remember my boot folder had its own partition
[18:13] <vidd> that's even MORE insane
[18:14] <vidd> your /boot partition should have a minimum of 300 mb
[18:14] <vidd> so it can hold 2-3 kernel versions
[18:15] <dcolish> vidd: i usually set min to 512mb just in case
[18:15] <deus_> 5 years ago i was told that was the standard
[18:15] <vidd> to remove old kernel versions (once you have tested to verify the new version meets your needs) is sudo apt-get remove --purge [old kernel version]
[18:15] <dcolish> deus_ lot has happened in 5 years
[18:15] <vidd> deus_, 5 years ago, 101 mb DID hold 2-3 kernel versions!
[18:16] <vidd> and 5 years from now, your probably going to want to allocate 2-4 gig for kernel versions
[18:17] <dcolish> vidd: oh god i hope not!
[18:17] <vidd> dcolish, i set my / partition to 10 GB....
[18:17] <deus_> I was doing quite fine until now with what i had.
[18:18] <vidd> this way, i can offload parts of it to new partitions if I have to
[18:18] <deus_> dcolish: beware, soon ubuntu might require 2-4 gigabytes of ram for clean running ;)
[18:18] <vidd> deus_, please note....we use x-ubuntu
[18:18] <vidd> =]
[18:18] <dcolish> vidd: that makes sense, I use lvms, so my /boot is separate
[18:18] <dcolish> deus_: i also have a bridge under my hat i'd like to sell you
[18:19] <vidd> dcolish, i havent had to yet....but my boxes are still relatively light
[18:19] <vidd> dcolish, my bridge is in brooklyn....and it is only slightly used!
[18:19] <dcolish> vidd: i just like the lvm concept, and i have a home folder thats 400gb
[18:19] <dcolish> vidd:  funny, mine is too
[18:20]  * vidd needs to go to lunch
[18:20] <vidd> be back in a half!
[18:20] <dcolish> later
[18:20] <deus_> dcolish: Its true its true, it will happens when ESR takes over and charge people for the proriatary version of 4.32.56-generic kernel, sponsored by AMD ;)
[18:21] <dcolish> deus_: send me a link to an actual blueprint
[18:32] <RandyboY> Where do i find the option to alter the way the powerbutton works? If i want the button to do nothing or actually shut down...
[18:33] <sinbox> other than the cli smbclient is there a way to browse network shares (ideally with a gui)?
[18:36] <dcolish> RandyboY: click the battery or power icon in the system try and goto preferences, then look under general
[18:43] <RandyboY> dcolish, its not a laptop and i dont have any of the icons you are talking about
[18:44] <JohnDV> hello I have problem with print server installation AIRLIVE P-201U with canon IP 4000 . How can i do this in Xubuntu ?
[18:49] <deus_> Ok, differet problem, im on my laptop here
[18:49] <deus_> and k3b cant seem to find my cdrom
[18:49] <dcolish> RandyboY: ok , run gnome-power-prefences from the cli
[18:50] <vidd> deus_, can other apps find your cd?
[18:51] <RandyboY> dcolish, there it was. Thanks :-)
[18:51] <dcolish> RandyboY: np
[18:53] <deus_> i just tested mount
[18:54] <deus_> mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[18:55] <vidd> deus_, can you open your file manager?
[18:55] <deus_> doesnt bash count?
[18:56] <vidd> no, bash is not a file manager
[18:56] <vidd> but anyway....
[18:56] <deus_> the teriminal that is
[18:56] <vidd> cd /media/
[18:56] <deus_> i dont use anything other then that
[18:56] <vidd> ls -al
[18:57] <vidd> do you have anything listed there?
[18:57] <deus_> the mount point for the cdrom offcourse
[18:57] <vidd> ok...
[18:57] <vidd> so cd to that mount point....
[18:58] <vidd> ls -al again....anything?
[18:59] <deus_> the mount failed so there is nothing there
[18:59] <deus_> the notation for my cdrom /dev/scd0 isnt valid anymore
[19:00] <vidd> deus_, do you veify that your cdrom is still functional? (perhaps run a live or boot cd off it)?
[19:01] <deus_> Ugh, that would require me to logoff
[19:02] <volo> hi
[19:03] <vidd> deus_, can you put a cd with something on it into the drive?
[19:03] <deus_> i have
[19:04] <vidd> same results?
[19:04] <vidd> it sounds like your system is not recognizing the drive
[19:05] <deus_> ya think
[19:05] <deus_> A FUCKINGS, its a bug
[19:05] <deus_> that require me to disable the acpi
[19:05] <vidd> and i dont know how to get the system to search mountpoints for drives it didnt find during boot (sounds like bad hardware)
[19:06] <deus_> oh it worked fine before i upgraded to intrepid
[19:07] <vidd> so before you had acpi disabled and it worked, you enabled acpi and it fails?
[19:07] <vidd> ah...ic...
[19:08] <vidd> ive seen this b4....if one needs to require acpi=off on initial install, you may sometimes need to manually edit grub to turn acpi off after upgrading (especially if you are asked to install the maintainer's version of some config file)
[19:09] <deus_> yes, ive done i before on my stationary
[19:09] <deus_> offcourse that was an entirely different problem
[19:10] <deus_> but shutting off acpi on a laptop is a bit annoying
[19:10] <vidd> when you originally installed, did you have to pass the "acpi=off" parameter to get the hardy installed?
[19:11] <deus_> no
[19:11] <privet_> so, somehow I just broke my new install...???
[19:12] <vidd> then acpi should have nothing to do with this
[19:12] <privet_> running xubuntu 8.10
[19:12] <privet_> I get the login prompt and can login fine
[19:12] <privet_> but the "menu bar" on top and the "application bar" at the bottom is not there
[19:12] <privet_> what are those processes called?
[19:12] <privet_> where can I see why they are not starting up?
[19:12] <vidd> privet_, panel
[19:13] <vidd> privet_, can you [ctrl]+[esc] to get a terminal?
[19:14] <vidd> deus_, unfortunantly, i have no other ideas how to help with your issue (without rebooting)
[19:14] <privet_> vidd: no- ctrl+esc does nothing
[19:14] <privet_> vidd: I get to all my apps by running alt-f2, xterm and then I can go...
[19:16] <vidd> privet_, in that xter....type "panel"
[19:16] <knome> vidd, xfce4-panel ?
[19:16] <vidd> knome, panel isnt alias'd ?
[19:16] <knome> idk
[19:16] <vidd> privet_, xfce4-panel
[19:16] <privet_> yesyes there it is...
[19:17] <vidd> privet_, panel or xfce4-panel?
[19:17] <privet_> interesting... where can try and see why it is not starting up?
[19:17] <deus_> was the grub flag noacpi for disabling acpi?
[19:17] <deus_> or acpi = 0
[19:17] <privet_> vidd: xfce4-panel
[19:17] <vidd> deus_, dunno
[19:17] <privet_> knome: thanks!
[19:17] <knome> privet_, the next time you log out, check "save session for future logins"
[19:17] <vidd> !noacpi
[19:18] <knome> privet_, then the panel gets run automatically
[19:18] <vidd> !info noacpi
[19:18] <vidd> hrm
[19:18] <privet_> knome: aha... lemme try that...
[19:18] <privet_> brb
[19:18] <knome> privet_, (and any other apps you had open) - but if you don't want to save the session everytime, remember to check out that
[19:18] <vidd> deus_, im not sure acpi is the cause of your issue....
[19:19] <deus_> vidd: why not?
[19:19] <vidd> knome, did you see deus_ 's issue?
[19:19] <deus_> the same issue was in hardy
[19:20] <vidd> deus_,  then do whatever you did in hardy to fix =\
[19:20] <vidd> you must have strange hardware
[19:20] <Necrosan> http://www.dewa.com/animated/new/1demon.gif
[19:20] <deus_> vidd:  i didnt have this problem until now
[19:21] <vidd> deus_, ok...now im confused.....
[19:21] <vidd> you had the issue in hardy, upgraded to intrepid and expected it to work?
[19:21] <vidd> or did you have the system working fine in hardy, then upgraded to intrepid and it broke?
[19:22] <knome> vidd, not
[19:22] <deus_> In my last distro version i didnt have this prblem
[19:22] <knome> vidd, can you do a quick recap?
[19:22] <deus_> fine before the upgrade
[19:22] <knome> the usb-creator seems *not* to create a bootable pen drive !!
[19:23]  * privet_ returns with a smile on his face
[19:23] <privet_> knome: thanks allot.
[19:23] <privet_> vidd: thanks allot
[19:23] <vidd> deus_, so in distro xyz, your stuff worked like a charm...you switch to *buntu, and it wont work in hardy or intrepid?
[19:23] <vidd> knome, =\ hrm
[19:23] <deus_> hardy fine intrepid not
[19:23] <knome> at least can't boot to iit with my eeepc
[19:23] <knome> *with it
[19:24] <knome> and my current installation is borked
[19:24] <vidd> knome, so why not re-install?
[19:24] <knome> vidd, with that?
[19:24] <vidd> knome, actually....does the thing boot?
[19:24] <knome> no :P
[19:25] <knome> not atm
[19:25] <vidd> what error you get?
[19:25] <knome> a-ha, now it boots
[19:25] <knome> didn't get any error message
[19:25] <knome> just blinking input cursor :P
[19:25] <vidd> get into the bios....
[19:26] <knome> i got to boot now.
[19:26] <vidd> turn on the "usb boot" thing
[19:26] <knome> i've turned it on.
[19:26] <knome> but the stick just doesn't work
[19:26] <vidd> knome, so its good now?
[19:26] <knome> yeah, kind of
[19:26] <knome> but i have to upgrade
[19:26] <knome> but can't do it from a ready installation
[19:26] <knome> because i don't have enough free space
[19:26] <knome> so i need a boot stick
[19:27] <knome> but the usb-creator is borked
[19:28] <vidd> ****warning**** DANGEROUS CODE AHEAD **** FOR EXPERIENCED USERS ONLYwell...you can always get back to basics by sudo apt-get autoremove --purge xorg
[19:28] <dcolish> knome: did you try unetbootin
[19:28] <knome> dcolish, nope, because usb-creator is way quicker
[19:29] <vidd> knome, that will get you all the way back to cli only
[19:29] <knome> vidd, i'm throwed into openbox
[19:29] <dcolish> ok, I've always had success with unetbootin
[19:29] <knome> vidd, is that like mini?
[19:29] <vidd> knome, it rips out all the gui stuff
[19:30] <vidd> frees up all kinds of room
[19:30] <vidd> so you *SHOULD* have enough space to upgrade
[19:30] <knome> ok so if i upgrade, will it grab everything i need?
[19:30] <deus_> There is an upgrade here of the kernel im gonna see if that does anythign
[19:30] <vidd> but if your in busybox....IDK if it will work as expected
[19:31] <vidd> deus_, good luck
[19:31] <vidd> knome, can you apt-get?
[19:31] <knome> vidd, looks like i'm throwed back to GUI :P
[19:31] <knome> sure :P
[19:31] <vidd> ok....in terminal remove everything gui with the code i stated B4
[19:31] <knome> ok... i can get to xfce sessio
[19:31] <knome> n
[19:32] <knome> i did, but it throws me into gdm :P
[19:32] <vidd> then do the server upgrade on the wiki
[19:32] <knome> i'll try unetbootin.
[19:32] <vidd> ok...can you get into a tty?
[19:32] <knome> sure
[19:33] <vidd> in the tty, run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[19:33] <vidd> this will stop your gdm (and gui stuff) from working at the moment
[19:33] <knome> k
[19:33] <vidd> once its stopped, you can then run the command to uninstall the gui stuff
[19:33] <knome> then?
[19:34] <knome> "not installed, so not removed"
[19:34] <vidd> then you run the server-upgrade
[19:34] <vidd> ????
[19:34] <vidd> xorg is not installed?
[19:34] <knome> (xorg)
[19:34] <vidd> then lets go deeper!
[19:34] <knome> \o/
[19:34] <vidd> x11-common
[19:35] <vidd> (or is it capital X?
[19:35] <knome> ok, looks like it's going to uninstall lots of stuff. great.
[19:35] <vidd> =]
[19:35] <vidd> when in doubt...rip it out =]
[19:35] <knome> yay
[19:36] <knome> i've had lots of shit here
[19:36] <knome> :P
[19:36] <knome> sorry
[19:36] <knome> !language | knome
[19:36] <vidd> hehe
[19:38] <deus_> whats the best free ati driver?
[19:40] <knome> vidd, soon done.
[19:40] <vidd> !upgrade
[19:41] <vidd> knome, you want to do the server upgrade
[19:41] <knome> k
[19:42] <vidd> once the server upgrade is complete, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop gets you back to golden!
[19:42] <knome> ;)
[19:42] <vidd> (and up-to-date)
[19:42] <knome> how can i see all the pckgs installed?
[19:43] <dcolish> dpkg -l
[19:44] <knome> "No new release found"
[19:44] <knome> wtf?
[19:44] <knome> yes, i followed the instructions
[19:45] <knome> lsb_release -a shows hardy
[19:46] <knome> ideas?
[19:46] <knome> vidd, ?
[19:46] <knome> dcolish, thanks.
[19:47] <dcolish> welcome
[19:47] <knome> hmm
[19:47] <knome> i suppose i should be connected to intarnet
[19:47] <knome> ;P
[19:50] <knome> vidd, uhm?
[19:51] <knome> how can i set up my network? ifup eth0 says unknown interface
[19:51] <dcolish> what does ifconfig say?
[19:51] <dcolish> rather, ifconfig -a
[19:52] <knome> ath0, eth0, lo, wifi0
[19:52] <knome> i suppose i want to use eth0
[19:52] <knome> because my wireless is wpa2-secured and i know that's a lot of hassle from CLI
[19:54] <knome> ok, solved.
[19:54] <knome> \o/
[19:54] <dcolish> ok
[19:55] <knome> added etho into /etc/network/interfaces
[19:55] <dcolish> yup that'll work, I usually just call ifconfig eth0 <ip>/<subnet>
[19:56] <jorg3> how i install my prnitr
[19:58] <jorg3> printr hlp
[19:58] <jorg3> how to install
[19:59] <vinnl> !printer
[20:00] <vidd> knome, sorry....was on a call....
[20:00] <vidd> still not able to update?
[20:01] <knome> i am
[20:01] <knome> i connected to intarweb
[20:01] <knome> :P
[20:01] <vidd> hehe
[20:01] <vidd> no more trying to connect to DSL's that are unplugged from the wall?
[20:01] <knome> hehe
[20:01] <knome> no more
[20:02] <knome> but trying to connect wireless adapter off and with no cable
[20:02] <knome> :P
[20:02] <vidd> telepathic internet is still a ways off
[20:03] <vidd> =]
[20:04] <knome> shame
[20:06] <jorg3> thanx it works
[20:06] <deus_> jepp
[20:06] <deus_> disabling acpi helped
[20:07] <deus_> altough this is hardly fucking ideal
[20:07] <vidd> !language | deus_
[20:10] <spowney> anyone know how to run Nautilus without loading up gnome
[20:10] <TheSheep> spowney: what do you mean by 'gnome' here?
[20:11]  * knome 's nick used to be gnome
[20:11] <spowney> iv been talking to people and apparently if i load Nautilus in xfce it will load up the panel or somthing, not really sure
[20:11] <spowney> maybe il try just running it
[20:12] <TheSheep> spowney: it will only take over the desktop background and icons
[20:12] <knome> nautilus --no-desktop
[20:12] <TheSheep> spowney: there was a command-line switch to tell it not to do it
[20:12] <TheSheep> right
[20:12] <spowney> cheers guys
[20:12] <spowney> appreciate it
[20:13] <spowney> once i learn to use smbclient for what i need, il stop using it
[20:14] <TheSheep> try pyneighbourhood
[20:14] <spowney> ok better question while people are answering (thanks by the way)
[20:14] <spowney> im having trouble mounting the smbfs
[20:15] <spowney> i was trying this mount -t smbfs //NEDRY/fubar /fubar
[20:16] <spowney> and yeh i will try pyneighbourhood coz 163mb for nautilus + required extra's seems a bit excessive
[20:16] <kattollikisd> Can I install a GNOME package en Xfce?
[20:16] <vinnl> kattollikisd, sure
[20:16] <TheSheep> kattollikisd: yes
[20:17] <kattollikisd> vinnl, TheSheep, and I gonna work priti fine? :O :D
[20:18] <TheSheep> yes, they will even look nice
[20:20] <spowney> TheSheep: cheers mate for that reccomendation, just what i needed
[20:25] <deus_> Its been a while since i've done this
[20:25] <deus_> root partition must be primary right?, not logial
[20:26] <vidd> deus_, i dont think it really matters
[20:29] <TheSheep> deus_: doesn't matter, on some really old computers tha tdidn't support large disks properly it had to be somewhere at the beginning of the disk, but not with modern boxes
[20:29] <deus_> right
[20:31] <kattollikisd> vinnl, thesheep, thanks for the answer :P
[20:31] <vinnl> kattollikisd, you're welcome :)
[20:31] <deus_> Does this installation recongie the lvm partition at some point?
[20:32] <vidd> deus_, are you doing alt cd?
[20:32] <deus_> no desktop
[20:32] <vidd> deus_, dont use that one
[20:33] <vidd> get the alt
[20:33] <deus_> why
[20:33] <vidd> cuzz i dont think the live will protect your existing partitions
[20:34] <vidd> you want to leave the partitions intact...just combine the / and the /boot into the same partition
[20:35] <vidd> with the alt cd, you should already see the existing partitions, and just assign the values to them
[20:35] <vidd> (while you have the live cd in there, though....it would be a good idea to back up your data files
[20:36] <vidd> JUST to be safe
[20:52] <slow-motion> hi
[20:52] <vinnl> Hey slow-motion
[20:55] <slow-motion> hi vinnl
[20:58] <The-Kernel> sup!>
[20:58] <The-Kernel> ?
[20:58] <The-Kernel> I honestly think that the ? key and backspace should be seperated fro mthe rest of the keyboard
[20:59] <The-Kernel> and maybe the space bar
[20:59] <vinnl> I do think that there should be some room around the backspace key on laptops :P
[21:00] <vinnl> And I never realized it, but the caps lock key *is* absolutely useless :P
[21:00] <vidd> "THEY OUGHT TO...." has been the spawn of many inventions.....
[21:00] <deus_> trying the rescure function
[21:02] <RainCT> Hi. What's Xubuntu's menu bar called like (ie, in which package is it)?
[21:02] <vinnl> RainCT, the menu or the panel?
[21:02] <vinnl> The panel is xfce4-panel
[21:02] <vinnl> Don't tell me it disappeared :)
[21:02] <RainCT> thanks
[21:03] <RainCT> No, I'm using Ubuntu with Openbox here. Just want to check something.. :)
[21:03] <vinnl> :)
[21:06] <RainCT> vinnl: uhm.. is it you who filled the fusion-icon bug?
[21:06] <vinnl> RainCT, ah, yes
[21:07] <RainCT> vinnl: OK. I've just remembered, in xfce-panel (which I'm still downloading, damn connection :P), the "System" menu is like Ubuntu's System -> Setting + System -> Preferences, right?
[21:08] <vinnl> RainCT, I believe it's not - there's a Settings menu as well
[21:08] <vinnl> Then again, I'm not sure which items are in Ubuntu's Preferences menu
[21:08] <vinnl> But AFAIK most applications there need the root password
[21:11] <deus_> boot partiton should have the boot flag?
[21:20] <RainCT> vinnl: uhm.. where's the menu there?
[21:20] <vinnl> RainCT, you'll need to add the menu panel plugin
[21:20] <RainCT> I only get a werid star (or whatever) that doesn't do anything XD
[21:20] <RainCT> ah but that's a launcher
[21:20] <vinnl> That's a launcher :P
[21:21] <RainCT> so, in what package is it?
[21:21] <vinnl> Looking... :)
[21:21] <vinnl> RainCT, it doesn't happen to be already there? Right-click->Add to panel
[21:22] <RainCT> vinnl: nop, it isn't there
[21:24] <vinnl> RainCT, ah, found it
[21:24] <vinnl> RainCT, apparently it's part of xfdesktop :P
[21:24] <vinnl> *xfdesktop4
[21:25]  * RainCT figures he could also use apt-cache from time to time :P
[21:25] <RainCT> bah, that has dependencies.. I'll better check on my parents & brother's PC later :P
[21:27] <vinnl> apt-get autoremove is a godsend ^.^
[21:29] <RainCT> vinnl: well, it's because of the download time :)
[21:29] <vinnl> Ah :P
[21:30] <deus_> Ok
[21:30] <deus_> i got the message at the instalation
[21:30] <deus_> "LVM VG vg, LV SwapVelume as swawp
[21:30] <deus_> does that only mean swapvolume or
[21:30] <deus_> oh
[21:31] <deus_> nevermind
[21:39] <mkdigital> hi! can someone tell me how to change the screen resolution in xubuntu? i got an acer aspire one and only 800x600, should be 1024x600
[21:40] <privet_> mkdigital: but the aspireone does not come standard with xubuntu... it comes with "linpus" or some-such
[21:41] <mkdigital> i installed xubuntu
[21:41] <mkdigital> :-)
[21:41] <privet_> mkdigital: aaaah nice
[21:41] <mkdigital> had ubuntu before (8.04)
[21:41] <privet_> mkdigital: then take a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:41] <mkdigital> yeah
[21:41] <mkdigital> generated a confline with gtf
[21:42] <mkdigital> and made a subsection "Display"
[21:42] <mkdigital> but doestn work
[21:42] <privet_> okay...
[21:42] <privet_> mkdigital: sorry then man... that is as much as I know...
[21:42] <mkdigital> im not sure if my graphic card is well detected
[21:53] <deus_> ARGH
[21:53] <deus_> what is error 22 for grub?
[21:53] <deus_> I just did a fresh install
[21:53] <vinnl> Google :)
[21:54] <slimjimflim> anybody ever heard of usb short cirtuiting?
[21:55] <zoredache> if you hand a bad device/cable it is possible...
[21:55] <zoredache> I have seen a device destroyed by a hub before... I am not certain if it was a short or some other anonmoly
[21:56] <slimjimflim> do you think that if i plugged in a usb keyboard into a shorted usb port, i'd get a light to turn on?
[21:57] <zoredache> it depends on where the short is.  Is it in the data, or the power....  If the power is shorted, then you shouldn't see any lights...
[21:59] <slimjimflim> i think the power is shorted
[21:59] <slimjimflim> you think that's fixable?
[21:59] <slimjimflim> w/o getting pcmcia usb ?
[22:00] <slimjimflim> now i know why these schlupps abandoned this lappy in the first place
[22:01] <zoredache> generally fixing laptops is extremely painful
[22:03] <slimjimflim> i've had this thing apart and back together, i'm just worried that it's on the mobo
[22:03] <slimjimflim> and i'm sure it is
[22:03] <slimjimflim> looks like the pcmcia solution will be $10 and a couple days
[22:03] <slimjimflim> not bad
[22:04] <slow-motion> n8
[22:05] <slimjimflim> then again it might be all software
[22:06]  * slimjimflim calls newegg
[22:14] <deus_> I just done a clean install of ubuntu and the grub throws 22 error at my fae
[22:15] <deus_> i even dropped the boot partition and added all to root partion
[22:15] <deus_> and let the installer do it manually
[22:16] <deus_> But nothing i cant boot at all
[22:23] <deus_> why
[22:24] <slimjimflim> you can't let an installer do something manually
[22:24] <dcolish> deus_: probably because you've fractured the mbr
[22:24] <slimjimflim> the very fact that you're using an installer presumes a resonably high degree of automation
[22:25] <dcolish> deus_:  http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage1_002e5-errors
[22:28] <deus_> slimjimflim: i managed the partioning manually
[22:29] <dcolish> deus_: here are some more leads. this is fixable http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/software-development/TCH_SFT/314105-18228214?browseCategory=   sorry for the long url
[22:30] <dcolish> you still have your super grub disk right?
[22:30] <deus_> yes
[22:31] <deus_> well ive hammerd the installation of ubuntu for the 4 time now
[22:32] <knome> hmmp.
[22:32] <knome> hello.
[22:33] <dcolish> deus_: you need to boot with super grub and use the gnu/linux menu. then select fix
[22:34] <dcolish> hey knome
[22:34] <knome> installing intrepid pkgs on eeepc
[22:34] <knome> takes ages
[22:35] <knome> and after that i have to add the eeepc kernel repo, install the new kernel and set up the eeepc peripherals
[22:35] <knome> at least i can irc parallel :P
[22:35] <dcolish> hows the perfomance so far? i've got one at home with openbsd
[22:36] <knome> it's "ok" with xubuntu
[22:36] <knome> not as good as it could be, though no big complaints
[22:36] <knome> the size of an eeepc is so handy
[22:36] <dcolish> yeah, i have 8.04 on it a while ago, i got flash working, but its not killer
[22:37] <dcolish> which model do you have?
[22:37] <knome> you can take it *anywhere*
[22:37] <knome> uhh..
[22:37] <knome> i can't remember, 4g or sth iirc
[22:37] <knome> 901?
[22:37] <dcolish> I got the 900 like a month before that came out, talk about buyers remorse
[22:37] <knome> there's so little light here i can't even check
[22:38] <knome> gf sleeping 10cm from my foot
[22:38] <dcolish> all good
[22:38] <knome> hehe
[22:38] <knome> i can tell you tomorrow
[22:38] <knome> or check somewhere else
[22:39] <dcolish> cool, I found that you need to be really careful with that disk partitioning so you can get it to perform better
[22:39] <knome> i suppose i have to write soonish a new blog entry about my machines anyway
[22:39] <knome> oh, any particular tips?
[22:39] <dcolish> sure, does it still have two sdd's?
[22:39] <knome> sdd?
[22:40] <dcolish> solid state disc drive, flash drives
[22:40] <knome> uhm...
[22:40] <knome> i think this has one
[22:40] <knome> if i'm correct
[22:41] <dcolish> they used to have two. one is used for root the other for home or other stuff. if you partition correctly you'll have less disk activity
[22:41] <knome> this wasn't the "best" available, but there was some reason for buying this...
[22:41] <knome> a-ha...
[22:41] <knome> wow
[22:41] <knome> installed
[22:42] <knome> wait 5secs
[22:43] <dcolish> k
[22:45] <deus_> error file nt found booting not lucky
[22:46] <deus_> dcolish:
[22:48] <knome> back for a while, will cycle soonish again
[22:48] <knome> dcolish, this is 4G
[22:49] <dcolish> knome: cool, so do you use ext3?
[22:49] <knome> dcolish, ye.
[22:49] <dcolish> try using it as ext2, unless you absolutely need journaling
[22:50] <knome> hmm.
[22:50] <dcolish> deus_:  out of context that error means nothing to me. can you elaborate
[22:50] <knome> dcolish, #xubuntu-offtopic ?)
[22:51] <dcolish> ok
[22:52] <deus_> dcolish: me?
[22:52] <dcolish> deus_: can you give me more to go with than that error?
[22:55] <deus_> im using the fux boot of gnu/linux option
[22:55] <deus_> booting trying /grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage1
[22:55] <deus_> selectfie /grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage1
[22:56] <deus_> error 15 file not found
[22:56] <deus_> booting not lucky
[22:56] <deus_> sgd has not succeeded
[22:57] <dcolish> ok hold on
[22:58] <dcolish> try this link on for size, you might need to rebuild those files http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub
[23:00] <dcolish> hey deus_ here is the ubuntu form fix: looks like it should work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862235
[23:07] <deus_> this looks like it could solve my first problem...
[23:07] <deus_> before i had to format
[23:08] <dcolish> probably, but you can also fix this one too.
[23:08] <dcolish> i told you it could be fixed
[23:09] <deus_> must have lost that message when vidd screamed at me to reinstall
[23:10] <dcolish> ha, well i should be easier to install for some users
[23:13] <Genesius> Anybody feel like answering a dumb question?
[23:13] <dcolish> !ask
[23:13] <Genesius> In the "something I should know, but can't get it to work" category. . .
[23:14] <dcolish> Genesius: the suspense is killing me
[23:14] <Genesius> Sorry, not a fast typist.
[23:14] <dcolish> all good, whats the problem
[23:15] <Genesius> Just got a laptop, installed Xubuntu. Been using Ubuntu on my desktop for years. Trying to install icons on the laptop, but can't get them to work.
[23:15] <deus_>  THANK GOD the mighty KERNEL in the sky
[23:15] <deus_> also
[23:15] <dcolish> any icons in particular?
[23:15] <deus_> i am a bit annoyed, since this would solve my original problem but
[23:15] <deus_> fuck it
[23:16] <dcolish> deus_: you fix it?
[23:16] <Genesius> Xubuntu studio, downloaded from xfce-look
[23:16] <dcolish> !oh my | deus_
[23:16] <dcolish> !language | deus_
[23:16] <knome> !log
[23:16] <knome> ;)
[23:17] <Delvien> does xfce run compiz?
[23:17] <dcolish> it can, but probably defeats the purpose of using xfce
[23:18] <Delvien> eh but i like shinies
[23:19] <Genesius> Extracted the ..tar.gz to /home/<username>/.icons, but they don'tshow up in Settings Manager > User Interface > Icon Theme
[23:19] <Delvien> oh ive seen SS of being able to right click the desktop and run something feom the dropdown i dont see that i can do that...
[23:20] <TheSheep> Delvien: enable it in settings manager->desktop
[23:20] <Delvien> ty
[23:25] <deus_> lvm is undamaged
[23:25] <deus_> blood pressure is lowering
[23:25] <dcolish> haha, maybe you'll finally stop cursing :)
[23:29] <knome> a-ha
[23:29] <knome> actually the nmapplet is there
[23:29] <knome> it doesn't just have an icon
[23:30] <dcolish> thats odd
[23:30] <dcolish> upgrade issues?
[23:30] <knome> possible
[23:30] <knome> i had to remove X, do a server upgrade abd then install X again
[23:31] <knome> so there was enough HD space
[23:31] <dcolish> oh right, you could try pulling nm and reinstalling
[23:32] <xubuser> Hello People.
[23:32] <xubuser> having an issue with mplayer. it was running fine after the install but now doesn't work.
[23:35] <xubuser> rebooting
[23:43] <dcolish> ok works done, i'm out
[23:52] <xubuser> Hello People.
[23:52] <xubuser> so does anybody know if the XFCE compositor is enough or if adding composite true in teh X server add extra?
[23:52] <deus_> what does xfcee does to enabe sound when you start the window manager
[23:53] <deus_> for some reason the sound isnt availabe in flux box
[23:53] <xubuser> deus_: no sound available at all?
[23:54] <deus_> none
[23:54] <deus_> i remebed fidegting with pulsaaudi
[23:54] <deus_> o
[23:54] <deus_> and i still got the same home folder
[23:56] <xubuser> and fluxbox doesn't allow any way to change volume?
[23:56] <deus_> i must use whats allready available
[23:56] <deus_> alsamixer etc
[23:57] <nikolam> Hi I am attempting to use gparted to resize partitions.


[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bolt [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [0.8-2~sync1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bolt [s390x] (eoan-proposed/main) [0.8-2~sync1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bolt [i386] (eoan-proposed/main) [0.8-2~sync1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bolt [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed/main) [0.8-2~sync1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bolt [arm64] (eoan-proposed/main) [0.8-2~sync1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bolt [armhf] (eoan-proposed/main) [0.8-2~sync1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bolt [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [0.8-2~sync1]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bolt [armhf] (eoan-proposed) [0.8-2~sync1]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bolt [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed) [0.8-2~sync1]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bolt [arm64] (eoan-proposed) [0.8-2~sync1]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bolt [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [0.8-2~sync1]
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bolt [i386] (eoan-proposed) [0.8-2~sync1]
[11:43] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry is it normal that bolt-tests have been accepted in main?
[11:43] <LocutusOfBorg> they want umockdev promoted...


[08:49] <Celtiore> hi from france
[08:49] <Celtiore> who have try to put ubuntu mobile on mid aigo p8860 ?
[09:02] <persia> I've not heard of anyone doing the install.  Which processor does that use?
[09:05] <Celtiore> atom
[09:05] <Celtiore> http://forum.pocketables.net/showthread.php?p=7666
[09:05] <Celtiore> but i can't change boot method
[09:06] <Celtiore> i put ubuntu img on usb-disk but it can't boot
[09:09] <persia> How did you put the ubuntu.img on the usb-disk?
[09:11] <Celtiore> dd if=mid-8.04.1-menlow-install-usb.img of=/dev/sdb1
[09:12] <Celtiore> is it correct ,
[09:12] <Celtiore> ?
[09:15] <persia> Yeah.  That's correct.  From seeing that someone else had it boot, I'm not sure why it didn't work.
[09:15] <Celtiore> ok
[09:15] <persia> Some people report better success when they use dd if=mid-8.04.1-menlow-install-usb.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1024k
[09:16] <Celtiore> perhaps if i put img on cd and after boot from usb-cdrom ?
[09:16] <Celtiore> ok
[09:17] <persia> That might work.  I've heard of people putting CD images on USB keys successfully, but this would be the first I've heard of putting a USB image on a CD.
[09:18] <Celtiore> ok lol
[09:18] <Celtiore> i try with bs=1024k first
[09:58] <Celtiore> thx persia , i can boot now


[12:21] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, I imported ffmpeg last friday together with many other packages, and today I checked and switched the default target, but it looks odd: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg
[12:23] <rbasak> https://code.launchpad.net/~git-ubuntu-import/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg/+git/ffmpeg
[12:23] <rbasak> "Repository scan failed"
[12:23] <rbasak> Do you have the "Rescan" button?
[12:23] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: oh hey, what's up w frr? Did you get time to investigate the syslog issue?
[12:23] <ahasenack> I clicked, and got an angry permission denied
[12:23] <ahasenack> utkarsh2102: still in my list, that's all
[12:23] <rbasak> "
[12:23] <rbasak> Repository scan scheduled
[12:24] <rbasak> "
[12:24] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: cool, cool, thank you.
[12:24] <rbasak> Probably because I'm still in ~git-ubuntu-import
[12:24] <ahasenack> utkarsh2102: is there any particular reason it should be flagged as a high priority bug ahead of others?
[12:24] <rbasak> If it's a regular thing we might need to figure out a way to get the importer or bot to do it.
[12:24] <rbasak> But I think it's self-correcting when the repository is updated.
[12:24] <ahasenack> rbasak: first time I see this
[12:24] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: none, really. I'm just curious to see what happens. So whenever you get around to doing that, just let me know. :)
[12:24] <rbasak> I think it'll affect the LP web UI only.
[12:25] <rbasak> From our point of view
[12:25] <ahasenack> is the scan still running, or did it fail again? Can you tell?
[12:25] <rbasak> I don't think I can tell.
[12:25] <rbasak> But it's a queued job AIUI, so I'd give it a few minutes.
[12:26] <rbasak> I think a clone should work regardless.
[12:26] <ahasenack> if I go to the page with the button, it still says the scan failed. IIRC it would say scan is in progress if it was still running
[12:26]  * ahasenack tries a clone
[12:27] <ahasenack> clone seems to work, it's downloading stuff
[12:28] <rbasak> Ah yes it does change to "Updating repository..."
[12:28] <rbasak> (I retried again)
[12:28] <rbasak> And it failed again
[12:28] <rbasak> I'll ask in #launchpad
[13:54] <ahasenack> rbasak: do you happen to know how I can get a "stable" reference to this patch in launchpad's git web ui: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/tree/debian/patches/bug_221618_precise-64bit-prototype.patch?h=ubuntu/jammy
[13:54] <ahasenack> although that one might be stable, because I used the "jammy" branch
[13:54] <ahasenack> which won't change anymore
[13:55] <ahasenack> but let's say I wanted a link to the current status in ubuntu/devel. Something like "view this file at commit/revision <hash>"
[14:07] <rbasak> ahasenack: go to the log tab, click on the import tag itself, and then back to the tree tab and select the file?
[14:07] <rbasak> That gives me https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/tree/debian/patches/bug_221618_precise-64bit-prototype.patch?h=import/2%254.13.2%2bdfsg-1 and that looks more stable to me.
[14:08] <rbasak> I think you might be able to replace the h= value with a commit hash directly as well.
[14:11] <ahasenack> thanks
[15:53] <paride> The ubuntu-server-minimal seed change https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/419854 is targeted to the jammy branch as kinetic was not ready when that was filed
[15:53] <paride> I'll retarget it to kinetic
[18:45] <ahasenack> cpaelzer_: that python-ecdsa ftbfs is a bug in python's interaction with openssl3, actually: https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/91257
[18:45] <cpaelzer> might that be on schopin 's radar already maybe?
[18:47] <ahasenack> https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/32085 is the fix, committed upstream already
[18:47] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: so the fix is for hashlib and the python-ecdsa is only exposing the issue?
[18:47] <ahasenack> I'm weary of uploading a new python :)
[18:47] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: the fix is for python
[18:47] <cpaelzer> I think it is fine to properly put this in a bug and make foundations aware
[18:48] <cpaelzer> they can group it with any kind of other fixes they have enqueued
[18:48] <ahasenack> basically you ask for the list of hash algorithms that can be used, you get the list, then you try to use them, and some of those are not available
[18:48] <ahasenack> try this: python3 -c "import hashlib; a = {(name, hashlib.new(name).digest_size) for name in hashlib.algorithms_available}"
[18:48] <cpaelzer> unless the legacy provider is loaded
[18:48] <ahasenack> it also affects jammy
[18:48] <ahasenack> right
[18:48] <ahasenack> but it's not loaded by default
[18:49] <cpaelzer> yep, really sounds like wrap it in a bug with hint to the test fail, the fix and bug by upstream and ask them to consider adding it to an SRU
[18:49] <ahasenack> so the bug is that the list of algorithms available was not considering that, and returning everything
[18:50] <ahasenack> yeah, I have the bug, will just mark the python-ecdsa as invalid
[18:50] <cpaelzer> and once it exists ping also schopin in case he still tracks openssl3 bugs
[21:00] <yurtesen> ahasenack: You said there are other tickets before the tomcat issue. But can you give an estimate on how long it will take before you can have a look at it? Unless of course you meant that it is so low priority that there will always be tickets to handle before it perhaps?
[21:00] <ahasenack> sometime during june, it will be part of bug work then


[04:23] <avis-> double spoofing the bluff
[04:23] <avis-> sorry
[05:49] <knight0rk> good morning interpeepz
[07:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:18] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:19] <brobostigon> o/
[13:22] <diddledan> if someone performs a character role in the theatre as a ghost, but does it from the back of the auditorium, does that make it spooky acting at a distance? #quantumtheory
[15:41] <DJones> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....Microsoft..........breaking grub with windows updates


[01:46] <kidd> hello all!
[01:46] <xGrind> hello
[01:55] <mtvx> Could not initialize Xv output
[01:55] <mtvx> Does anyone know what's all about? thanx
[02:00] <genghisjahn> so are there people out there?
[02:00] <ubuXubu> good evening
[02:00] <genghisjahn> ah good! bots!
[02:01] <ubuXubu> how can we serve you.
[02:07] <mtvx> #quit
[07:22] <ubuXubu> good morning.
[09:12] <paldepind> Hi! When installing Xubuntu on my netbook I was forced to pull out the installation USB during installation. Everything works fine though, except that when I try to update it tells me to insert a cd, wich I can't because my netbook doesn't have a CD drive.. Now what do I do?
[09:15] <ubuXubu> do u update thru synaptic paldepind
[09:16] <paldepind> Ok.. I'll try that
[09:20] <paldepind> It also tells me to insert the installation disk..
[09:21] <vic20gmr> is there a channel more suited to ppc ed of xubuntu? my "main" question is, would i have access to more pkgs if i click the upgrade button [going from 9.04 to 9.10]?
[09:22] <vic20gmr> im using ppc version, and if ishud ask this someplace else,plz tell me where to go
[09:24] <moetunes> there's #ubuntu-ppc
[09:25] <vic20gmr> moetunes, thank you for your response
[09:25] <moetunes> np :)
[09:54] <vic20gmr> no1 seems to b home in ppc channel, duz any1 here happen to know if i shud b concernered with sound, if i upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[09:55] <moetunes> I would be concerned with my spelling if I was you :)
[09:55] <vic20gmr> i installed fromlive cd, an 32bit 9.10 some time ago, and sound was a real pain
[09:56] <vic20gmr> well, in the interest of time, i often shorten wordsd to phonetic basics, especially since i expect this upgrade to take at least an hour and a half :)
[09:56] <TheSheep> !b
[09:56] <TheSheep> !u
[09:56] <vic20gmr> idc
[09:57] <vic20gmr> fyi, i am a dictionary.com enthusiast :)
[09:57] <TheSheep> trying to save your time you waste the time of people trying to help you -- don't expect much enthusiasm from them then
[09:58] <vic20gmr> will some one give me their feedback on the question? is sound something i shud be concerned with regarding an "upgrade" to 9.10 from 9.04?
[09:58] <moetunes> the ppc has a very limited user base - there would only be the people that use it that would know about it
[09:59] <vic20gmr> telling me ur is not a word, wen clearly wut i mean is known is not a waste of time?
[10:00] <moetunes> time to grow up a bit I think...
[10:00]  * TheSheep goes to do something productive instead of deciphering blabber
[10:00] <vic20gmr> ill work on it, so is it a waste of time or not?
[10:01] <moetunes> ask in the ppc channel - no one else knows
[10:02] <vic20gmr> en i was in grade school i put slashes through my zeros, and some of the other students knew it was a zero, but insisted on pointing out that they did not know if it was a zero or an 8, the "ur situation" is exactly the same, and yes they knew it was a zero
[10:02] <vic20gmr> quit
[10:03] <moetunes> who cares - this is becoming trolling
[10:12] <vic20gmr> ive come to apologize
[10:12] <vic20gmr> i apologize
[10:13] <moetunes> well done :)
[10:13] <vic20gmr> you    all ruffled my feathers, and all that meta to tell me you dont know the answer anyway
[10:13] <vic20gmr> it must simply be beyound my understanding, but i do apologize the same
[10:13] <vic20gmr> goodbye
[11:09] <shahadat> how to install ibus on xubuntu 10.04 LTS 32 bit
[11:09] <shahadat> ?
[11:10] <shahadat> sudo apt-get install ibus is not working here.
[11:11] <bazhang> !find ibus lucid
[11:11] <bazhang> !info ibus lucid
[11:13] <bazhang> check your sources.list and pastebin the error messages, if any
[11:13] <Sysi> apt-get update?
[12:09] <shahadat> I want to install ibus on xubuntu
[12:09] <shahadat> 10.04
[12:14] <bazhang> check your sources.list and pastebin the error messages, if any shahadat
[12:15] <shahadat> bazhang, I am totally new on xubuntu
[12:15] <shahadat> dont know what to do? and how
[12:17] <shahadat> Its a totally a fresh installation on my PC
[12:18] <Sysi> does "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ibus" give any error messages?
[12:21] <shahan> Sysi, let me check
[17:39] <StaRetji> Howdy
[17:39] <StaRetji> folks, how to turn of tooltip balloon in xfce4? It is annoying info which show when you hover over desktop shortcut icons?
[18:49] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in about 10 minutes; Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:18] <vinnl> knome, not coming to the meeting?
[19:23] <knome> hmm
[19:24] <knome> actually i was having a nap :D
[19:24] <vinnl> Haha :)
[20:01] <Aicasn> how can I make an ubuntu box tolerant of unexpected power outages?
[20:01] <mark76> :/
[20:01] <Aicasn> ie. power goes out and when xubuntu boots it always gives errors. I'd like to avoid that
[20:01] <mark76> :|
[20:02] <Sysi> get UPS so you can shutdown properly :p
[20:03] <Aicasn> anyone have a link that describes such a process?
[20:03] <Aicasn> (UPS is not an option, but thank you)
[20:03] <Aicasn>  :)
[20:04] <Sysi> error's about unmounting filesystems, you can't umount them in milliseconds or use unmounted
[20:05] <Aicasn> how about making them sync on write so that not properly umounting isn't such a problem
[20:05] <Aicasn> ?
[20:05] <Enigmati1Coder> I did a distribution upgrade on my parents Xubuntu computer, but it upgraded to Ubuntu. Their machine is really old and cannot handle Ubuntu. How do I convert back to Xubuntu?
[20:05] <Sysi> !xubuntu
[20:06] <vinnl> !purexfce
[20:11] <rand401> Hi, I have just installed Xubuntu 10.10 amd64 desktop, and sound does not work. However, it worked before in Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 desktop. Any ideas?
[20:11] <rand401> wait
[20:11] <rand401> o.O
[20:19] <Enigmati1Coder> I did a distribution upgrade on my parents Xubuntu computer, but it upgraded to Ubuntu. Their machine is really old and cannot handle Ubuntu. How do I convert back to Xubuntu?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Enigmati1Coder: you got an answer to that already. Please read the links Sysi gave you
[20:20] <vinnl> Enigmati1Coder, see ubottu's reply to !purexfce
[20:20] <charlie-tca> oh, rather that vinnl gave you
[20:21] <Enigmati1Coder> Thanks, I didn't see that
[20:21] <vinnl> :)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:39] <Aicasn> anyone have any ideas on how to make a xubuntu system tolerant of power loss?  iow, prevent errors on the subsequent bootup?
[20:39] <Aicasn> making all mount sync-on-write, etc.
[20:53] <TheSheep> Aicasn: I think that ext3 and ext4 already keep a journal, so they will recover the system to a consistent state on bootup
[20:54] <Aicasn> everything can be made fine on bootup, but there are errors that must be corrected. i would like it to boot as if there were no problem
[20:54] <Aicasn> fs does a good job fixing errors, but i want to prevent them completely if possible
[21:27] <Enigmati1Coder> I still have the same problem. When I upgraded Xubuntu, somehow Ubuntu was installed. I do not get a GUI login that allows me to choose xfce. I tried http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce but that didn't work. Any other ideas?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Aicasn: the only way I know to make any os power loss tolerant is to use a UPS
[23:16] <aubrey616> Hello
[23:18] <aubrey616> anyone recommend an easy way to install and use themes for xfce in 10.10 ?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> change them in settings - Appearance, Desktop, Window Manager ?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> oops, missed the three minute window
[23:27] <vinnl> Enigmati1Coder, ah, you do not get a GUI login at all? Is gdm installed?
[23:28] <vinnl> (Or even: is xubuntu-desktop installed?)
[23:41] <xubuntu309> Plese, i need same help with TV card (in portuguese if possible)


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[07:06] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:26] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:59] <andyrock> DBO, present?
[09:06] <davidcalle> Hi andyrock!
[09:06] <andyrock> hey davidcalle
[09:06] <davidcalle> andyrock, how are you?
[09:07] <andyrock> davidcalle, not so good... i'm a little ill
[09:07] <andyrock> what about you?
[09:07] <davidcalle> I'm fine, at work.
[09:08] <andyrock> davidcalle, you're lucky since you have a job :)
[09:08] <davidcalle> andyrock, indeed. I'm even enjoying it from time to time ;)
[09:09] <andyrock> davidcalle, ;)
[10:15] <andyrock> JohnLea, around?
[10:15] <JohnLea> andyrock; yes, hi
[10:16] <andyrock> JohnLea, about https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/764751
[10:16] <andyrock> can you read the last two comments?
[10:16] <andyrock> please :)
[10:17] <JohnLea> yes, it should be marked as fixed, thx ;-)
[10:17] <JohnLea> well, as soon as the other bug is fixed ;-)
[10:17] <JohnLea> marking as a dupe
[10:18] <andyrock> JohnLea, thx :)
[10:19] <andyrock> there is a merge proposal btw :)
[10:23] <cdbs> DBO: Hi, since I'm moving to Canada today, I might not be able to get online before around, say, Tuesday. So, could you ensure that https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/unity/software-center-integration-for-o/+merge/71905 gets merged atleast before UIF? Thanks!
[10:23] <cdbs> s/gets merged/gets reviewed/
[11:23] <mardy> Can please someone running unity-2d try this out:
[11:23] <mardy> from a terminal, as a user, run /usr/sbin/synaptic
[11:24] <mardy> on the dialog which will appear, click OK
[11:24] <mardy> then check the application title, is it OK, or is it empty?
[11:45] <andyrock> njpatel, the window buttons don't respect theme (also using radiance or ambiance)
[11:45] <andyrock> it's a bug? or it's by design?
[11:48] <njpatel> andyrock, local unity or system one?
[11:48] <njpatel> Cimi__, made some changes there
[11:48] <andyrock> njpatel, both system one and local one...
[11:49] <njpatel> andyrock, not sure then? could you have a peek at the code? it's meant to look in the theme to see if there is a unity folder, otherwise fallback
[11:49] <njpatel> maybe it's not finding the folder
[11:50] <andyrock> njpatel, ok... so it's a bug. Let me try
[11:50] <njpatel> thanks dude
[11:50] <andyrock> njpatel, thx btw
[12:05] <andyrock> njpatel, done :)
[12:05] <andyrock> just a question
[12:05] <andyrock> const char* var = g_getenv("GTK_DATA_PREFIX");
[12:05] <andyrock>      if (!var)
[12:05] <andyrock> -      var = "/usr";
[12:05] <andyrock> +      var = "/usr/share/themes";
[12:05] <andyrock>
[12:05] <andyrock>      glib::String filename(g_build_filename(var, _theme_name, subpath.str().c_str(), NULL));
[12:05] <andyrock>
[12:06] <andyrock> or i have to add share/themes to g_build_filename?
[12:09] <njpatel> andyrock, i think what you did is  finee
[12:11] <andyrock> njpatel, reading here http://www.lanedo.com/~carlos/gtk3-doc/GtkCssProvider.html
[12:12] <andyrock> maybe is better adding it to g_build_filename
[12:12] <andyrock> *it is
[12:12] <njpatel> yes, your right :)
[12:47] <Cimi__> my connection sucks today
[12:50] <Cimi__> njpatel: feel free to merge andyrock patch
[12:50] <Cimi__> njpatel: was my fault
[12:51] <mpt> Cimi, yo
[12:51] <mpt> I have a couple of questions about the theme, one simple and one not-so-simple
[12:52] <Cimi> mpt: all is simple for me
[12:52] <Cimi> yo
[12:52] <mpt> heh
[12:53] <Cimi> mpt: ok, shoot<1
[12:53] <Cimi> !
[12:54] <mpt> Cimi, first: There seems to be a small regression in the Oneiric theme, where radio menus (ComboBox, OptionMenu) have only an arrow pointing down, rather than a pair pointing up and down
[12:55] <Cimi> mpt: totally agree, could you please file a bug against gtk? gtk+ does the same too
[12:55] <Cimi> mpt: I could workaround in the engine, maybe next week
[12:55] <mpt> great
[12:55] <Cimi> (well, I need to see)
[12:56] <Cimi> (was on my list to things to remind you :D)
[12:56] <mpt> Cimi, "gtk+3.0" package?
[12:56] <Cimi> mpt: well, I think it could be gtkthemingengine too
[12:56] <Cimi> mpt: it's in gtk+3, master too
[12:57] <Cimi> mpt: explain the rationale why they should point both up and down
[12:57] <mpt> sure thing
[12:57] <mpt> Cimi, the possibly-not-so-simple one: One thing that always bugged me about the Light themes is that they don't distinguish between palette windows and other windows
[12:58] <mpt> In Windows, Mac, and (I think) even Clearlooks, palette windows have a smaller title bar (and therefore smaller close+minimize buttons) than other windows
[12:58] <mpt> That way you can tell, just by looking, that they're going to float on top of the other windows
[12:58] <Cimi> mpt: palette windows?
[12:58] <Cimi> mpt: utility?
[12:59] <Cimi> mpt: (gimp's toolbox)
[12:59] <mpt> yeah
[13:00] <Cimi> mpt: bug in compiz, plus something I should do in light-themes
[13:00] <mpt> and Gimp's "Tool Options" window, "Layers" window, etc
[13:01] <mpt> Cimi, so should I report one bug affecting both of those two?
[13:01] <Cimi> mpt: indeed, compiz didn't support them
[13:01] <Cimi> mpt: with the work done for dialog windows
[13:01] <Cimi> mpt: I guess support was added
[13:01] <Cimi> mpt: but you know, it was removed
[13:01] <Cimi> mpt: now if compiz passes the tests, it'll be reuploaded
[13:02] <mpt> Cimi, so you actually have code+artwork for that already?
[13:02] <Cimi> mpt: if that will happen, I need to draw the different state for the utility windows
[13:02] <mpt> ah
[13:02] <Cimi> mpt: code should be on the way, ask smspillazz
[13:02] <Cimi> mpt: light-themes not
[13:02] <Cimi> mpt: and I don't have visual assets for them
[13:03] <Cimi> mpt: what I could do is make them squared
[13:03] <kenvandine> cdbs, ping
[13:03] <Cimi> mpt: and maybe reduce the size, but preserving the size of the buttons as I don't have different assets
[13:05] <cdbs> kenvandine: Poingo
[13:05] <kenvandine> hey cdbs
[13:05] <kenvandine> the "avatars not loading" problem
[13:05] <cdbs> Hi ken
[13:05] <kenvandine> is that just displaying the nobody icon?
[13:05] <cdbs> :)
[13:05] <kenvandine> or is it not loading the stream?
[13:05] <cdbs> yes
[13:06] <cdbs> Its loading the stream
[13:06] <cdbs> but displaying the generic nobody icon
[13:06] <kenvandine> do you have notifications turned off?
[13:06] <cdbs> except for a very small number of people in my stream
[13:06]  * cdbs checks
[13:07] <cdbs> kenvandine: no
[13:07] <cdbs> I just turned them on though
[13:07] <Cimi> mpt: roger?
[13:07] <kenvandine> cdbs, ok... that is why
[13:07] <kenvandine> they get cached when it notifies
[13:07] <kenvandine> but
[13:07] <kenvandine> that will change
[13:07] <mpt> Cimi, what would it take to get the assets?
[13:07] <kenvandine> njpatel is going to fix it so they load async in the stream
[13:07] <cdbs> kenvandine: I mean, it was turned off, but I just turned them on
[13:07] <cdbs> okie, nice to know
[13:08] <kenvandine> cdbs, i assumed so
[13:08] <mpt> Cimi, I got the impression from Otto that you had drawn the full-size ones
[13:08] <kenvandine> i took a stab at it, but made scrolling dirt slow
[13:08] <Cimi> mpt: I mean, if otto wants something different, I need him to draw special buttons
[13:08] <kenvandine> so njpatel is going to work his magic and make it not suck
[13:08] <cdbs> thanks kenvandine , gwibber is awesome already :)
[13:08] <kenvandine> cdbs, :)
[13:08] <kenvandine> right njpatel? :-D
[13:08] <Cimi> mpt: if he wants the same buttons, I have full control over the rest
[13:10] <mpt> Cimi, well, they need to be the same but smaller. :-) Does that require new artwork?
[13:11] <Cimi> mpt: yes
[13:11] <mpt> I guess it does for the symbols inside them
[13:11] <mpt> otherwise they'd blur
[13:11] <mpt> ok, I'll go back to Otto
[13:11] <mpt> Cimi, would it be useful to report a bug to track it in the meantime?
[13:12] <Cimi> mpt: no, I already opened a bugreport in my brain and I assigned it to myself. It is faster than launchpad and I receive instant notifications
[13:12] <mpt> brilliant
[13:12] <Cimi> :)
[13:13] <mpt> I'll just tap you on the head whenever I need to see the status
[13:13] <Cimi> lol
[13:13] <Cimi> ;)
[13:14] <mpt> Cimi, reported bug 829425 about the menu arrows
[13:14] <Cimi> mpt: ops
[13:15] <Cimi> mpt: gnome bugzilla :)
[13:15] <mpt> oh
[13:15] <Cimi> mpt: it's affecting upstream gtk
[13:15] <mpt> ok
[13:15] <Cimi> (look at adwaita)
[13:15] <Cimi> sorry for the misunderstood
[13:24] <mpt> Cimi, I reported it upstream and linked it
[13:24] <Cimi> mpt: I'll be out for a couple of hours, just tell otto to give me the new buttons for both Ambiance and Radiance in dropbox, and I'll play with them in the evening
[13:24] <Cimi> mpt: awesome
[13:25] <mpt> ok, thanks muchly Cimi
[13:25] <Cimi> mpt: and you've seen they were all simple questions :)
[13:25] <mpt> so they were
[13:36] <njpatel> cdbs, kenvandine, yes, definitely :)
[13:41]  * kenvandine hugs njpatel
[13:44] <cdbs> njpatel is a magician :)
[13:45]  * cdbs also hugs njpatel
[13:45] <njpatel> cdbs, I reviewed your branch, hopefully what I said makes sense  :)
[13:46]  * cdbs checks
[13:48] <cdbs> njpatel: thanks a lot for the review! /me looks at the unity::blahblah source code
[13:48] <njpatel> haha
[14:05] <Morta> hello
[14:06] <Morta> anyone?
[14:09] <Omega> hi
[14:35] <andyrock> njpatel, i want use nautilus 3 dbus inteface to run the confirmation dialog when "Empty trash" is activated from launcher
[14:35] <njpatel> nice
[14:35] <njpatel> andyrock, I was just peeking at your branch :)
[14:36] <andyrock> now i've used glib::DBusProx
[14:36] <andyrock> *Proxy
[14:36] <njpatel> yeah, excellent :)
[14:36] <andyrock> but i don't know if it's fine having proxy as a private member
[14:36] <andyrock> or i have to create a new proxy every time
[14:37] <njpatel> andyrock, new proxy everytime? when?
[14:37] <andyrock> everytime "empty trash" is activated
[14:38] <janimo> marn
[14:39] <njpatel> andyrock, oh
[14:39] <njpatel> andyrock, private member variable
[14:39] <njpatel> andyrock, it's async so it wouldn't work great as a local variable
[14:40] <andyrock> ok i have to add some stuff to make sure that proxy is connected when Call method is called :)
[14:40] <njpatel> andyrock, does nautilus do dbus activation?
[14:41] <njpatel> andyrock, if so, it should be fine to just call it, activation will take care of the rest
[14:42] <andyrock> njpatel, i have to check if a file service for natuilus exists in /usr/share/dbus-1/services right?
[14:43] <njpatel> andyrock, right
[14:43] <andyrock> [D-BUS Service]
[14:43] <andyrock> Name=org.gnome.Nautilus
[14:43] <andyrock> Exec=/usr/bin/nautilus --no-default-window
[14:43] <njpatel> andyrock, yep
[14:43] <njpatel> so you're safe
[14:44] <andyrock> ok... so the newer TrashLauncherIcon.cpp is cleaner than the last one :)
[14:44] <andyrock> i love outsourcing :)
[14:46] <andyrock> njpatel, can i use lambda c++0x function too?
[14:47] <njpatel> heh
[14:47] <njpatel> andyrock, yep
[14:47] <njpatel> as long as it's not crazy like what gord likes to do ;)
[14:47] <andyrock> cool :)
[14:47] <gord> if its not a lambda, its a bug
[14:48] <gord> lambda aspect programming is the way for the future
[14:48] <andyrock> lamda + async stuff lol :)
[14:56] <DBO> andyrock, merged your branch
[14:56] <DBO> its AWESOME
[14:56] <DBO> you rock dude
[14:56] <DBO> many kudos
[14:56] <DBO> love, and respect
[14:56] <andyrock> DBO, if i rock you are superman :)
[14:57] <DBO> jcastro, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/1399
[14:58] <jcastro> whoa, DBO, you did a review?
[14:58] <jcastro> nice!
[14:58] <jcastro> (heh, just kidding)
[14:58] <DBO> shutup bitch
[14:58] <jcastro> ok so what does this do? the description is confusing
[14:58] <jcastro> something about DND
[14:59] <jcastro> what's like, an example?
[16:12] <Andy80> hi all
[16:12] <Andy80> Kaleo: hi :) you have any news about this https://code.launchpad.net/~andreagrandi/unity-2d/trash-nautilus-setting/+merge/70583 ? I've some spare time to try to fix it, if I only could get some feedback about my last comments ;)
[16:58] <ephan>  00
[16:58] <ephan> oops, nvm
[17:03] <Kaleo> Andy80: I'm on it :)
[17:04] <Andy80> Kaleo: good :)
[17:06] <andyrock> om26er, around?
[17:07] <om26er> andyrock, yes i am here and the regression is fixed thx
[17:08] <om26er> andyrock, your branch did awesome things ;)
[17:08] <om26er> andyrock, that firefox bug is fixed btw
[17:08] <andyrock> well seb128 released unity 4.8.2ubuntu3 (and ubuntu 4 right now)
[17:08] <andyrock> so why the bug is "fix-commited"? :)
[17:08] <andyrock> sorry if i'm wrong
[17:09] <jcastro> I think it "releases" when it's published
[17:09] <jcastro> iirc it's automatic
[17:09] <andyrock> jcastro, but it's aleady published :)
[17:09] <Kaleo> Andy80: replied!
[17:09] <jcastro> andyrock: oh, I haven't gotten it yet
[17:10] <om26er> andyrock, back
[17:10] <andyrock> om26er, well seb128 released unity 4.8.2ubuntu3 (and ubuntu 4 right now)
[17:10] <andyrock> so why the bug is "fix-commited"? :)
[17:10] <andyrock> sorry if i'm wrong
[17:10] <om26er> andyrock, fix committed only for unity upstream
[17:11] <om26er> because new tarball was not released
[17:11] <om26er> andyrock, seb pulled from trunk till I think commit# 1400 and uploaded it
[17:12] <om26er> andyrock, though I have a bug for you :p
[17:12] <om26er> drag and drop issue
[17:13] <andyrock> drag and drop + scale mode right?
[17:13] <andyrock> om26er, ^^^
[17:13] <om26er> andyrock, yes problem specific to two or more than two windows
[17:14] <andyrock> well this bug is present also without my patch right?
[17:15] <om26er> andyrock, maybe I never use dnd ;)
[17:15] <andyrock> om26er, can you open (eventually) a new bug and assign it to me?
[17:16] <om26er> andyrock, sure, I will do that.
[17:16] <andyrock> om26er, i will work on it as soon as possible (i'm working on cairo stuff right know)
[17:16] <andyrock> *know->now
[17:16] <om26er> andyrock, the fade to show the menubar?
[17:16] <om26er> *applications menu
[17:17] <andyrock> right, but there are some problem with the current implementation
[17:17] <om26er> :/
[17:18] <om26er> andyrock, the change will be cool though
[17:18] <andyrock> om26er, indeed... but before I assign it to me i want to study it a little more
[17:19] <om26er>  andyrock is hard at work ;)
[21:21] <sethish> In unity-2d why does Empathy flash its icon and the messaging menu?  And how do I get it to stop constantly covering my other work by activating the unity-2d icon panel?
[21:22] <sethish> I really like Unity-2d otherwise, but I stopped using it because I can't figure out how to make it stop.
[21:30] <jbicha> you could stop using Empathy...lol
[21:31] <jbicha> I believe that behavior is by design, I don't use Empathy so I don't know if there's a way to change it
[21:41] <sethish> I turned off all of empathy's notify features
[23:39] <Andy80> I don't know if this is the right place where to discuss this, but.... is there any dedicated team in Ubuntu that work to make it more accessible to "special people"? I mean.. blind people, or someone who can have any problem using a keyboard ecc....?
[23:39] <nhaines> Andy80: that's the Ubuntu Accessiblity Team.
[23:40] <Andy80> nhaines: oh, thank you!
[23:40] <Andy80> :)
[23:40] <Andy80> I'll google to search more info
[23:40] <nhaines> Andy80: you're welcome.  :)


[09:47] <yuhlw_> Hi, we have a setup of a group a desktop where the user can log into one of the many desktop. It uses nfs and automount. Unfortunately, when a user log in, a process try to figure out the list of all the users on this desktop. It mounts a lot of nfs-ressources, takes a lot of time, and the "system icon" on top right get a huge list of user. How can we do, as a sysadmin way, to get rid of this list of user ?
[11:45] <yuhlw_> No one ?
[11:47] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: so...
[11:47] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: I was looking at the thing
[11:48] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: but this is done always by indicator-session backend
[11:48] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-session/trunk.16.10/view/head:/src/backend-dbus/users.c
[11:48] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: so, if you don't want to patch it (patch could be accepted upstream) to add a setting not to list users...
[11:50] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: as a workaround I guess you can make org.freedesktop.Accounts ListCachedUsers not callable... I guess you can do that with some apparmor settings, so that these users won't be allowed to call this. Causing the indicator to fail to fetch the users list
[11:54] <yuhlw_> Trevinho: It feels for me a really hard task to patch this :/.
[11:55] <yuhlw_> I was somehow wishing/expecting a *simpler* solution. Thanks for your time and your response.
[11:56] <Trevinho> yuhlw_: the apparmor thing shouldn't be that hard though...
[11:56] <yuhlw_> Trevinho: ok
[11:56] <yuhlw_> Trevinho: I'll dig this one. Again. Thank you !
[11:57] <seb128> seems like a workaround, we could add a gsettings to indicator-session to not build the users list
[12:07] <yuhlw_> In our situation, we do have 2 issues: 1) unity try to find out the list of the user and their home. And for that, they nfs mount all the /home/*. 2) the top level icon, shows a huge list of users that is a bit puzzling when you do have 30 users.
[12:08] <yuhlw_> to add to the point 1) the process of mounting 30 different nfs mounts, takes time. And even more time when one of the desktop is off.
[12:12] <yuhlw_> Actually we find out that there is a setting named: com.canonical.indicator.session user-show-menu that do not show the list of user.
[14:23] <EdwardMorbius> hello, how can I debug Unity 8 not starting on 16.10 on Nouveau driver? Installed 16.10 on a spare partition to test Unity 8 but...
[14:23] <EdwardMorbius> black screen and nothing happens
[16:43] <mverkleij> Heya!
[16:43] <mverkleij> I had a question about the alt-tab switcher behaviour
[16:47] <mverkleij> I am missing a few windows
[16:48] <mverkleij> more specifically, I have a piece of java software that displays a dialog box, that is not included in the app switcher
[17:26] <dandrader> mverkleij, if it's run inside xmir, I think they will all be put inside the same x root window, which is what unity8 sees
[17:27] <dandrader> I don't think xmir/libertine has proper multi-window support yet....
[17:35] <bregma> dandrader, I think you mean Unity 8 does not have proper multi-window support yet: X11 has had multi-window support for decades


[13:58] <zumbrujm> hi all, I would like to know how the ubuntu documentation is stored online.  Is it stored as database entries, or plain text files, or static html pages?
[13:59] <zumbrujm> I need to add a documentation section to a web-based application I'm making, and was trying to determine if there's a precedent for this.
[14:54] <bcurtiswx_> so if I'm having a problem with wiki.ubuntu.com, here to place to go?
[15:02] <bcurtiswx_> mpt: ^^
[15:06] <jpds> bcurtiswx_: Launchpad is having fun.
[15:07] <jpds> bcurtiswx_: If you're having issues logging in that is.
[15:11] <bcurtiswx_> anyone?
[15:13] <jpds> 15:06:44 < jpds> bcurtiswx_: Launchpad is having fun.
[15:13] <jpds> 15:07:03 < jpds> bcurtiswx_: If you're having issues logging in that is.
[15:14] <bcurtiswx_> jpds: my issue is that I'm trying to rename DCTeam to DistrictOfColumbiaTeam but it says it already exists.... when I go to wiki.ubuntu.com/DistrictOfColumbiaTeam it says it doesn't exist yet
[15:15] <jpds> Freaky.
[15:17] <bcurtiswx_> jpds: what to do?
[15:17] <jpds> No idea.