[00:04] <OerHeks> alexandrdvorkin, so.. why don't you format it in your mac?
[00:06] <OerHeks> likely virtualbox is good protected to not see usb devices unless you want too, see the manual
[00:11] <akemlenovo> OerHeks, yeah i did not see he was running Ubuntu inside VBox, he has to activate the device from virtualbox so that the guest can see it.
[00:17] <OerHeks> any american should stop paying their schooldebt, as the education was wrong.
[00:23] <magic_ninja_work> is there a channel for 19.10 stuff?
[00:25] <akemlenovo> magic_ninja_work, #ubuntu+1
[00:31] <magic_ninja_work> akemlenovo, thank you
[00:32] <akemlenovo> Np.
[00:32] <magic_ninja_work> gotta figure out why bluetooth is all-of-a-sudden using so much power
[00:33] <akemlenovo> How do you know it's using more power then normal?
[00:34] <magic_ninja_work> I did a comparison when I first installed. I generally take a peek at my battery life regularly.
[00:35] <magic_ninja_work> I noticed mine was quite a bit less, so I figured up powertop, and it showed me the bluebooth device is using lots of power. 3-6W
[00:35] <magic_ninja_work> It wasn't like that before. Even unplugged, my ethernet device was also using 3W of power, so I manually turned it off via ip link set down and that usage went away.
[00:36] <akemlenovo> powertop? Ok, i did not know it was possible to monitor that.
[00:36] <karlthane> Hello, trying to help test. Downloaded the current daily iso for 19.10, not giving option to install to zfs in installer. Is there something special I have to do.
[00:37] <magic_ninja_work> akemlenovo, yep, works pretty well. Run it as root. You have to let it run for a while to start collecting data. Sometimes 30 minutes to an hour.
[00:39] <akemlenovo> magic_ninja_work, ok, nice, i'll try it.
[00:40] <magic_ninja_work> to save ya some time, it has textui tabs that you use the tab or shift-tab to go through and the last page has a list of tunable items, so if you are using tlp or something, make sure to disable that service first.
[01:19] <lapion> How can I set the timeout for deteccting Displayport disconnect ?
[01:19] <lapion> Or the timeout maybe displayport reconnect when waking up the screen ?
[01:21] <lapion> You see I have a monitor that takes a short while to wakeup when the screen(power)saver disengages and so for a second after waking up the system assumes only the computer panel is connected
[01:22] <lapion> After the second everything returns to normal but it is really annoying
[01:33] <Galactor> Hello! I am wondering how to switch my keeb layout to chinese in i3wm. The links on how to fix it all seem to be blocked in my region :(
[01:35] <flog> Galactor: have you already changed layout?
[01:37] <flog> You can rerun the i3-config-wizard and you'll get all standard hotkeys in the same physical place as intended with qwerty.
[01:37] <Galactor> not sure how to do that in i3wm either, since there are no buttons for it. in normal desktop mode, I can change it by clicking on the icons in the dock, but I don't have that in i3wm
[01:38] <flog> you can change your layout with setxkbmap <layoutname>
[01:38] <Galactor> what would be in the layout name? how would I set it to do pinyin input chinese?
[01:39] <flog> But it might screw with your hotkeys, thats why you may want to rerun i3-config-wizard
[01:39] <Galactor> can you give me an example of what layout name might be?
[01:40] <flog> What distro are you using?
[01:42] <Galactor> lubuntu
[01:42] <destinydriven> How to add tab using sed on ubuntu?    \t doesn't work with  sed -i "/defaultRole/a\t'defaultTheme' => 'smart-style-1'," test.txt
[01:43] <flog> Galactor: not really i3 related but try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. Will set the layout "permanently" whereas setxkbmap is only for the current session.
[01:44] <Galactor> right on. I'll try to look more into it. thanks!
[01:44] <flog> After that you might want to run i3-config-wizard.
[01:45] <Sven_vB> in xenial, how do I list the physical and logical volumes LVM currently knows about?
[01:45] <Galactor> okay :) that's a good idea
[01:53] <Sven_vB> found I need the lvm package first. then probably lvs as I'm used to.
[01:53] <Sven_vB> *lvm2
[02:08] <destinydriven> Sorry to ask again. I got bumped off earlier but how to add tab using sed on ubuntu?    \t doesn't work with  sed -i "/defaultRole/a\t'defaultTheme' => 'smart-style-1'," test.txt
[02:11] <flog> destinydriven: first answer on google say that if it doesnt work try running it from a shell script, if script works then there is a commandline problem.
[02:11] <flog> \t is supposed to be tab
[02:12] <destinydriven> Flog, yes I just tried this, still no tab appears after running it
[02:12] <destinydriven> I'm referring to the shell script
[02:12] <flog> Then i dont know.
[02:12] <destinydriven> I can see the tab character in my editor so I'm lost as to why it won't pass on through script execution
[02:13] <leftyfb> destinydriven: looks fine to me: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vkRh78fgyD/
[02:14] <destinydriven> leftyfb, ok you're not using -i
[02:14] <destinydriven> Let me try this :)
[02:14] <leftyfb> destinydriven: that's only if I want to write it out
[02:15] <leftyfb> destinydriven: but, you really should be asking these questions in #bash since they're not really ubuntu specific
[02:16] <destinydriven> leftyfb, oh right. It didn't occur to me that there was a bash channel
[02:16] <destinydriven> Thanks
[02:18] <flog> In what config file would i set my keyboard layout? can set with the layout I want with setxkbmap se dvorak_a5. Cant find the layout in dpkg-reconfigure keyborad-configuration
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !pm ubuD104
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !pm | ubuD104
[02:28] <ubuD104> don't want to troll no thank you
[02:29] <ubuD104> lotus remember about that systemd conversation earlier
[02:29] <ubuD104> I think I found something out do you know anything about it
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> ubuD104: this channel supports only ubuntu issues, dont poll or discuss here please
[02:30] <ubuD104> ya im in ubuntu
[02:30] <ubuD104> ill take that as a no
[02:33] <ubuD104> Like I said before Im new to linux but anyway I got it so it doesn't create a suitable network protocol wondering if i'm really screing this thing up
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> stop it ubuD104
[02:34] <ubuD104> sorry if I confuse you the only distro I know is ubuntu
[02:34] <ubuD104> what do you mean stop its a valis question
[02:34] <ubuD104> valid sorry
[02:34] <ubuD104> 18.04
[02:35] <ubuD104> it says ask a question, i do, then you say stop  WTF
[02:36] <flog> ?
[02:36] <gimmel> ubuD104: You're sending messages like a nagging mother. You can surprisingly fit more than 2 words in a message.
[03:09] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi i am trying to use tar xvzf pakagename.tar but it returns gzip: stdin not in gzip format error
[03:11] <aleksandrdvorkin> I am trying to install VirtualBox extension pack because my USB flashdrive is not detecte by Ubunti within VirtualBox
[03:15] <guiverc> aleksandrdvorkin, use `file pakagename.tar` to see what format the file is
[03:19] <leftyfb> aleksandrdvorkin: tar -xvf packagename.tar
[03:20] <leftyfb> aleksandrdvorkin: it's probably not gzipped (compressed)
[03:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> can i use tar xvjf packagename.tar.bz2
[03:21] <aleksandrdvorkin> the file ends with .bz2
[03:22] <aleksandrdvorkin> and by the way what i am doing is i am installing the Oracle extensionpack because my USB flashdrive is not detected the Virtualbox is not detecting my USB
[03:22] <aleksandrdvorkin> I am running Ubuntu on VirtualBOx
[03:24] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: look at "man tar" for help... you will see what options you need to use to open that archive
[03:26] <aleksandrdvorkin> thx
[03:34] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am missing pkg-config and or xml2-config HOW DO I UPDATE ALL THE PACKAGES AT ONCE without haveing to sudo apt install individual packages
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: no need to shout here
[03:36] <aleksandrdvorkin> my apologies
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: how about you start with sharing a pastebin of your apt output, so volunteers can see whats going on exactly?
[03:37] <aleksandrdvorkin> Ok
[03:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am trying to ./configure the Virtualbox extension pack but it gives me missing package after package
[03:38] <aleksandrdvorkin> so this is the package that is currently missing is libxml2 i ll pastebin it
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: did you install virtualbox from the official repos? or did you add a ppa and trying to compile yourself?
[03:39] <aleksandrdvorkin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MNttJNVxr8/
[03:40] <aleksandrdvorkin> Yes Virtualbox for MacOS
[03:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: we dont support external ppa's, instead we reccomend to install packages from the official repos to keep a clean ubuntu experience
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: you can search the repos from your system with: apt-cache search packagename
[03:43] <aleksandrdvorkin> so then I should of Downloaded from Oracle.com?
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: did you even read what i just said?
[03:44] <aleksandrdvorkin> i tried
[03:46] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: the only software that is supported here, is what can be obtained by using "apt install virtualbox" ... any other installation of virtual box is not supported here, as it comes with dependencies that your current Ubuntu installation may not have or support.
[03:48] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: That is why you are running into issues with trying to install the virtual box extensions. It is because the requirements for that software cannot be met. Ubuntu strives for stability, which means that the latest versions of software may not be available in the software repositories (security patches and bug fixes are applied)
[03:50] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: If you had installed virtual box through the method i just described, it would have come with all the features that are already compatible with your version of Ubuntu. If a feature is missing, it is because it is not supported by Ubuntu. No extra installation of "extensions" or plug-ins will enable functionality that cannot be supported.
[03:50] <aleksandrdvorkin> i get that but I had to install it that way because its Ubuntu that is running within the virtualbox not Virtualbox within Ubuntu
[03:51] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: Virtual Box extensions are for the host machine, not the Guest OS
[03:52] <aleksandrdvorkin> oh so i should exit from the Virtualbox and install the Extensions for Macbook?
[03:52] <aleksandrdvorkin> my bad
[03:52] <kinghat> does a ; count as a comment out in smb.conf?
[03:53] <kinghat> in this case:
[03:53] <kinghat> # Maximum number of usershare. 0 (default) means that usershare is disabled.
[03:53] <kinghat> ;   usershare max shares = 100
[03:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> will the extensions if i still choose to install them help detect all the USB ports because i cannt get acces to my USB flashdrive because USB is not detected by Virtualbox
[03:55] <leftyfb> aleksandrdvorkin: try #virtualbox
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: try virtualbox from the ubuntu repos first
[03:55] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: unknown, the volunteers here can only help with Ubuntu. For support for Virtual Box you will need to seek out Virtual Box focused forums and/or channels.
[03:55] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: virtualbox is not in the ubuntu repos
[03:55] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: If "#" is used for other comments, it is best to use the same character when commenting out settings you wish to disable/set to default
[03:56] <kinghat> there are both in this smb.conf file
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox
[03:57] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: then it would appear that a semi-colon is an acceptable means to comment out a setting
[03:57] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: I stand corrected :)
[04:56] <frustro> Not sure where to go. Installing again, I messed up drivers.  What I'm trying to do is use ubuntu 18 on a laptop to run a playstation 1 emulator, pcsxr.  THe controller I'm using is a cheap POS wired usb XboX360 clone. My problem is the L2 and R2 are not switches but potentiometers.  I've been through rmmod xpad, run xboxdrv, js(something)-gtk.  All ive been able to do is nothing.  once driver reads it as L2 Z+axis andn R2 Z-axis.
[04:56] <frustro>  is that an ubuntu driver controller mapping config thing or......do I go hit up the emulator community?
[04:58] <frustro> I tried some ppa for a different xboxdrv but it just hosed my system and im reinstalling
[05:00] <rud0lf> frustro: i take it doesn't work as Z+-axis in digital mode?
[05:01] <rud0lf> for example digital directional pad (hat?) is also X/Y axis
[05:01] <rud0lf> doesn't make it work bad
[05:01] <rud0lf> frustro: i have half-way solution, it's... unusual but legit
[05:01] <PsyStemUpdate> anyone here ever backup a logical volume? do you just create another partition of your choice somewhere and use something like Rsync to make a snapshot in time?
[05:02] <rud0lf> frustro: map PS controller to keyboard buttons, and use qjoypad (it maps joypad axes/buttons system-wide to keyboard buttons)
[05:02] <rud0lf> PS controller = pcsxr settings
[05:02] <rud0lf> i think qjoypad is in default repo
[05:03] <rud0lf> useful for other games, too
[05:04] <frustro> here's the weird part. xboxdrv will read as L2 0-255 and R2 0-255 right? but jsconfig-gtx?? sees and so does pcsxr and pcsx2 and retroarch and l2 and r2 and Z +/-
[05:05] <frustro> I dont know where it's going from l2 r2 on off to z +/-
[05:05] <frustro> but I'll try that qjoypad
[05:05] <frustro> becax the default xpad seem to workbetter than the xboxdrv
[05:06] <frustro> doing fresh net install, all my last commands un undo redo just hosed it.  bbiab.  thanks for the tip rud0lf
[05:36] <CowboyDan> wip
[05:36] <CowboyDan> sip*
[05:36] <CowboyDan> sup** god
[05:39] <phillipsjk> CowboyDan, greetings are slightly frowned upon with more than 1000 people in channel.
[05:39] <CowboyDan> damn, i wasnt aware that i had posted cringe
[05:39] <CowboyDan> my bad
[05:40] <phillipsjk> It is backward from normal social convention.
[06:17] <frustro> qjoypad i found it...
[06:27] <doug16k> frustro, I vaguely remember having a playstation controller that had a hardware (mechanical) switch to select between the analog triggers being buttons or another axis. maybe that is the case?
[06:28] <doug16k> another 2 axes I mean
[06:28] <doug16k> er xbox, not playstation
[06:28] <frustro> https://matricom dot net/product/xyba/
[06:29] <doug16k> did you obfuscate the link to make it not clickable?
[06:29] <frustro> dont know link rules. playes it safe
[06:29] <frustro> https://matricom.net/product/xyba/
[06:30] <doug16k> ew that page forces smooth scroll down your throat in js
[06:34] <doug16k> frustro, ah, so the triggers are analog but you want them to be switches?
[06:34] <frustro> yes
[06:34] <doug16k> did you look for something to take care of that in the emulator settings?
[06:35] <frustro> if not 0 then 1 or rang trigger havent found in any cinfig app yet.  i messed up kernel with rmmod n stuff, reinstalling os.  imma gonna try qjoypad
[06:35] <frustro> http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/#documentation
[06:36] <frustro> there's a preset for ePSXe in there so maybe work for pcsxr
[06:38] <frustro> but no, i hadn't found how to change that in the emulator, just mapping and all emulators see it and Z axis ffor l2 r2.
[06:42] <doug16k> there's a chance that tons of other people needed that too and it's there
[07:13] <bobdobbs> halp! I'm locked out of my ubuntu desktop! My system is ubuntu 18.04. It uses nvidia drivers. When booting, the system gets stalls on the message "Started Gnome Display Manager"
[07:13] <bobdobbs> I can alt-tab to a tty. I'm logged in as root.
[07:15] <bobdobbs> Im at a loss at this point. I've got no idea how to troubleshoot the issue.
[07:26] <bobdobbs> Does anyone have any idea how I can start debugging the issues?
[07:38] <glitchd> hello all
[07:38] <glitchd> anyone else have the problem with vlc not displaying correctly in 18.04?
[07:55] <Gerowen> glitchd: I've had multiple issues with VLC playing the first video file correctly, but then not exiting properly, and therefore preventing the app from opening again until I open the system monitor and force close it.
[07:55] <Gerowen> glitchd: Happens on both Ubuntu and Debian, so I just switched to SMPlayer with the MPV backend, works great.
[07:56] <glitchd> i found out how to fix it when it was displaying incorrectly, its a qt scaling problem. but since fixing it, i can no longer launch it from the right click menu when trying to play videos
[08:09] <Lantizia__> are there any fuse libraries for mounting google drive - that are already in the main ubuntu repo's?
[08:09] <Lantizia__> i'd have thought possibly there might be - but coming up empty
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: enter system with !nomodeset to install the nvidia drivers afterwards
[09:10] <ed_1>  hi, i am using an old xubuntu (unable to upgrade) and samba is suddenly unable to see a win10 pc. win10 is working fine and via android i can acess shares on both the win10 pc and the xubuntu
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: if you talking about an eol version of ubuntu, we cannot support it anymore
[09:11] <ed_1> not even sure of the version
[09:12] <ed_1> was a lts
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: lsb_release -a
[09:13] <ed_1> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: yeah, 14.04 is end of life unless you payed for ESM?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: a reccomended way would be install xubuntu 16.04 clean on your machine
[09:15] <ed_1> damn. reason i cant do that is i lost my log of stuff i set up on it and might not be able to get a lot of stuff running again
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: maybe you can use your existing /home and install 16.04 over it?
[09:17] <ed_1> i am waiting to afford a server to move all yhe important stuff over, then might try clean install. this install is patched and broken for many years now
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: we strongly advice to update systems before they go EOL
[09:19] <ed_1> so no hints as to why samba client broke?
[09:20] <ed_1> or at least another channel that might help?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: im sorry, volunteers cannot give advice on eol versions, as they are unsupported and could be 'broke' etc
[09:20] <ed_1> lol very broke
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: for security reasons you shouldnt be running it anymore neither
[09:21] <ed_1> security?
[09:22] <ducasse> ed_1: the people in ##linux might be willing and able to help, we don't support eol releases as a matter of policy
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: yes, every operating system gets security flaws, that get patched, EOL versions dont get updates anymore and hence a security risk
[09:24] <ed_1> ok i will try there thanks. as of security, i dont keep any sensitive data on internet connected machines. just a personal webserver for films and music
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: ideally you backup your data, and download the 16.04 iso and install that
[09:25] <ducasse> ed_1: that's well enough, but people can break in and use it as a base to attack others, send spam etc
[09:25] <ducasse> or even better, 18.04
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> if his old machine can handle it
[09:27] <ed_1> 15 year old toughbook....doubt it
[09:27] <ducasse> true, but if he's getting a new machine it should handle it
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> ed_1: 16.04 lubuntu perhaps
[09:43] <Farioko> Hello
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> welcome Farioko
[09:44] <Farioko> I am trying to format my SD card, but whenever I do that, the partitions just reappear?
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: how are you formatting?
[09:45] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: I have tried formatting it using fdisk and gnome-disks
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: try with gparted perhaps?
[09:45] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: I tried that too...
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: no dice?
[09:46] <Farioko> It just finishes successfully it says, but then the partitions just appear again and they are mountable too.
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: can you pastebin what happens when you: journalctl -f then do your formatting
[09:50] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CK3PGCtvRZ/
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: nothing too usefull there
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: how about in dmesg?
[09:56] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: When I write files to the filesystem, they are also gone after unmounting.
[10:03] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: Nothing special there as far as I can tell.
[10:10] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: :(
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: can you share your dmesg plz?
[10:11] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YCCf5GQYPz/
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: try gparted launched from a terminal, see if you can catch errors there
[10:16] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: no errors
[10:21] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: I can still boot from it hehe. Let's see if I can write some files to it while Raspberry Pi is running.
[10:23] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: same issue.
[10:24] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: So can we conclude that it is broken?
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: well broken sd's should give some errors
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: did you try other filesystems? fat? fat32? etc
[10:29] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: Tried deleting the partitions, writing a whole new partition table to it, formatting the partitions etc. It just goes back to its original state.
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: and you can still read the data on it too?
[10:30] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: Yes
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> weird
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: what about deleting all the data on it?
[10:32] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: Deleting files doesn't do anything.
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: no errors after delete in journalctl -f ?
[10:33] <Farioko> lotuspsychje: It seems to be gone, but after remounting, it's all there again.
[10:33] <Farioko> Nope
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: drag a file to it also fails?
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> or copy from
[10:35] <Farioko> No, nothing fails, they just get deleted after remounting.
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[10:36] <Farioko> I wrote an image to it using dd, but files are still there
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: you got other machines to test try?
[10:36] <Farioko> I tried it on two machines
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> phone or camera
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> might be dead then jim
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> but pretty weird you aint getting errors
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: maybe as final test, you can try a datarecovery from it, see if you getting errors there
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: with photorec (testdisk)
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> toy story eta 18min
[10:44] <Farioko> what?
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> Farioko: sudo apt install testdisk and sudo photorec after
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:39] <Aavar> I have a few external old harddrives that I am looking to use for various things. How can I (really) check if they are OK?
[11:42] <EriC^^> Aavar: smart test?
[11:44] <Aavar> EriC^^: I cant test smart as these are usb-drives. Unfortunately.
[11:45] <TJ-> Aavar: do you mean USB Flash storage or hard disk drives (spinning metal) on a USB connection?
[11:46] <Aavar> TJ-: usb haddisks
[11:46] <Aavar> not flash
[11:47] <Aavar> I don't plan to use them for important data, but it would be great to have some sens of what to trow away and what to keep.
[11:47] <TJ-> Aavar: the disks are using a native USB interface, or have a USB<>{P,S}ATA bridge chip ?
[11:48] <Aavar> TJ-: I dont know. This perticular one is a sata drive in an enclosure.
[11:50] <TJ-> Aavar: so USB<>SATA bridge chip, so look at "man smartctl" and the "--device" section and see if there is a --device option that matches the USB interface chip. You can identify the USB interface manufacturer with "lsusb"
[11:50] <onomatopie> My ubuntu keeps crashing
[11:50] <onomatopie> How do I even go about diagnosing why?
[11:50] <TJ-> Aavar: if you're in luck there will be a --device XXXX option that knows how to get the USB bridge chip to pass through the SMART commands
[11:51] <TJ-> onomatopie: in what way does it 'crash' ? only when a user is logged in? Before any user logs in? Only for one particular user?  Just mine. I only use Firefox, chrome, terminal really..
[11:53] <onomatopie> TJ-: So no particular pattern though I almost always have some sort of video/stream on
[11:53] <onomatopie> Happens with and without power plugged in, peripherals etc
[11:53] <onomatopie> |I have also reinstalled ubuntu after formatting. Same issue
[11:54] <TJ-> onomatopie: 'video stream' ? so network streaming AND GPU could be suspects. Does the entire PC die or just the application doing the streaming?
[11:54] <onomatopie> The entire PC[3~
[11:55] <TJ-> onomatopie: so possibly thermal related, have you monitored temperatures ?
[11:55] <onomatopie> Ok.. Let me installed a temperature gague for the taskbar
[11:56] <onomatopie> Any particular gnome extension/app I can use that will display there?
[11:56] <TJ-> onomatopie: when a PC just hangs (CPU stops) then the log files don't get written with clues... however, there may be clues leading up to that point so it is worth checking a log from a boot when it hung
[11:56] <Aavar> TJ-: so, it looks like smartctl acrually can read the smart status of the drive (with no flags), but I am not sure what to read from it. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vcWm9QvQq5/
[11:56] <TJ-> onomatopie:  e.g. if the PC hung up on the last boot, you can check the log from that boot with "journalctl -b -1"
[11:56] <Aavar> TJ-: It looks to me like the drive is broken?
[11:57] <onomatopie> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1460/vitals/
[11:57] <onomatopie> How is this one?
[11:57] <onomatopie> TJ-: Ok.. Let me log that. But is that only if it happens during a bootup?
[11:59] <TJ-> Aavar: looks like it has been logging internal errors BUT notice that in the table only one value has exceeded (gone under) the Threshold "Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   061   037   040" ... so if you're lucky the errors are all due to the drive being allowed to get too hoty
[12:00] <TJ-> onomatopie: no, the log is for an entire session from boot to when it hangs (but will not include the hang itself unless you're extremely lucky).
[12:00] <onomatopie> hmmmm is 76 degrees celcious high?
[12:01] <TJ-> onomatopie:  the "-b -1" means the last boot , 2 would mean 2 boots ago, and so on, 0 is this boot
[12:01] <TJ-> onomatopie: its' on the hot side yes, for a CPU. What system/CPU is it?
[12:02] <TJ-> onomatopie:  if its a laptop then CPU/GPU often share the same heatsink/cooling, and if the GPU is doing the video decoding wewould expect it to get hot... so right now I'd say you're on the right track to identify the cause as overheating
[12:03] <Aavar> TJ-: so, I might be ok? Is it a good idea to fill the drive with garbage and see if it gives me any errors?
[12:03] <onomatopie> TJ-: hmmm....ok let me see if I can cool it
[12:04] <onomatopie> Here we go.. It's at 81 now
[12:05] <TJ-> Aavar: First I'd ensure the drive is currently running cool even if that means opening up the chassis it is in and blowing a fan across it. I'd also want to find a tool to reliably read its current temperature so you can monitor it.. Then I'd do a ATA Secure Erase of the device and then do a test of writing zeros to the entire drive and ensuring no errors reported to kernel
[12:05] <TJ-> onomatopie: what make/model is this? "journalctl -k | grep DMI:"
[12:05] <onomatopie> AMD ryzen 5 2500u
[12:05] <onomatopie> https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/NX.GV7EK.008 This lappy
[12:05] <Aavar> TJ-: how can i easyly write zeros to the drive?
[12:06] <Aavar> TJ-: I guess this would work https://how-to.fandom.com/wiki/How_to_wipe_a_hard_drive_clean_in_Linux ...
[12:06] <TJ-> onomatopie: I'm wondering if you need some ACPI OSI magic setting to help power management here, see my article  https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[12:07] <TJ-> Aavar: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdZ bs=500M status=progress conv=fdatasync,fsync"
[12:08] <onomatopie> TJ-: Ok.. Here goes a reboot :-)
[12:10] <onomatopie> Ok rebooted just fine
[12:10] <onomatopie> Let's see how it goes over a few days I suppose. Thanks :)
[12:11] <Aavar> TJ-: I'll try that. I don't think the drive is hot, but I can imagine that it has been in the past. It was used in a quite cramped place before. Would I get errors in the syslog if anything goes wrong?
[12:13] <TJ-> Aavar: according to the man-page, "smartctl --log=scttempsts  ..." should report current temperature if the drive supports ACS
[12:14] <Aavar> TJ-: I got this message in syslog while running: Sep 15 14:09:37 aavar-linux systemd-udevd[22343]: Process 'ata_id --export /dev/sdc' failed with exit code 2.
[12:14] <Coraxyn> Morning.  18.04, installed via thumb drive.  DHCP not working, manual IP provides connection to router.  But firefox, ping, etc fail. entering DNS manual does not help.  Hints?
[12:15] <TJ-> Aavar: presumably because of the USB bridge that ata_id is not equipped to cope with
[12:15] <Aavar> TJ-: It's only running at 44C at the moment, so i'm not conserned about that.
[12:15] <TJ-> Coraxyn: how does ping fail?
[12:15] <Aavar> the heat that is.
[12:16] <Coraxyn> TJ, ping network is unreachable
[12:16] <TJ-> Aavar: right, but if you are going to do a sustained write to it (those zeros) that might be how to monitor it in real time
[12:16] <Coraxyn> Or maybe host
[12:16] <Aavar> TJ-: Yes :)
[12:16] <TJ-> Coraxyn: right, but what host are you trying to reach? pressumably if you've  set up the network manually you have't added a default route to the gateway ?
[12:17] <Aavar> TJ-: I can se that smartctl with that option shows max heat since startup, so I can run the command again after the write finishes (if it does)
[12:17] <Coraxyn> TJ, correct
[12:17] <TJ-> Coraxyn: as in "sudo ip route add default via <IP-of--gateway> dev <interface-name>"
[12:17] <Coraxyn> TJ, why does DHCP not work?
[12:17] <TJ-> Coraxyn: is it desktop or server? if desktop, then NetworkManager should have a connection defined for it
[12:18] <Coraxyn> Desktop
[12:18] <TJ-> Coraxyn: so check the log with "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service"
[12:18] <Coraxyn> TJ, will reboot to Ubuntu and come in here via iPad
[12:19] <Coraxyn> Laters
[12:19] <Aavar> TJ-: Thank you for great help so far. I'm going for a nap, and I'll report back :)
[12:41] <alekksander> hello. why latest alsa version on ubuntu LTS is 1.0.25, while 1.1.9 is already available?
[12:42] <Coraxyn> Back
[12:43] <Coraxyn> Command again please
[12:44] <alekksander> actually 19.04 also has 1.0.25 instead of updated packes. what gives?
[12:45] <onomatopie> TJ-: It did crash :( I've left it to cool down for 15 mins though so let's see.
[12:45] <Coraxyn> TJ-
[12:46] <Coraxyn> 18.04 installed via thumb, dhcp not working.  Hints?
[12:47] <Exagone313> alekksander: why do you need latest version?
[12:48] <TJ-> Coraxyn: so check the log with "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service"
[12:48] <alekksander> Exagone313: i don't i'm just surprised to see it's so outdated despite still being actively developed
[12:49] <elias_a> alekksander: This is the same for all sw in all distributions. Someone has to package and preferably test new software, too.
[12:50] <Coraxyn> TJ- activation succesful, device. Activated
[12:51] <Coraxyn> But firefox never connects
[12:51] <Exagone313> alekksander: ubuntu is not a rolling release distro, it's even more clear if you use LTS, it is made to be stable.  I don't know what's the best link that explains it, but this could be a start https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[12:52] <Coraxyn> TJ- ping <IP_ADDRESS> destination host unreachable
[12:53] <Exagone313> Coraxyn: (ip a; ip r) | curl -F 'clbin=<-' https://clbin.com
[12:54] <Exagone313> this gives us information about your actual network config
[12:55] <alekksander> Exagone313:  i can tell the difference, but as mentioned for 19 it's the same early 2012 version of alsa-base
[12:55] <Coraxyn> Curl not found
[12:55] <Coraxyn> ...
[12:57] <Exagone313> then (ip a; ip r) | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:57] <Exagone313> alekksander: check other package versions on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=alsa
[12:59] <Exagone313> like alsa-utils
[12:59] <Coraxyn> Name or service not known
[13:00] <Exagone313> Coraxyn: then https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:00] <Exagone313> post the result of this: ip a; ip r
[13:01] <Coraxyn> Umm. It is long and have to type it in from this pad
[13:02] <Exagone313> select, right click > copy
[13:02] <TJ-> Coraxyn: is the connection over Wifi ?
[13:02] <Coraxyn> Yes
[13:02] <Coraxyn> Router is on another floor
[13:03] <Exagone313> oh right
[13:03] <Exagone313> I'm stupid
[13:03] <TJ-> Coraxyn: start a terminal, do "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service" then press G to goto End of the log, then we'll work backwards and I'll talk you through what to expect and you can spot deviations and report them to us
[13:03] <Exagone313> copy the output on usb key haha
[13:03] <Coraxyn> Will not help Exagone313 .  Ipad
[13:04] <Coraxyn> TJ-: k
[13:04] <Exagone313> "journalctl -e -u NetworkManager" goes to end directly
[13:05] <Exagone313> that moment on sunday where you try to help someone debugging its internet connection and ask them to send output of commands via internet
[13:05] <TJ-> Coraxyn: i need to fetch a device with NM installed on
[13:05] <TJ-> Coraxyn: do you know the IP address of the local gateway router ?
[13:06] <Coraxyn> Router in house, <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:06] <TJ-> Coraxyn: do this: "sudo ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:06] <TJ-> Coraxyn: then try "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:08] <Coraxyn> Unreachable
[13:08] <TJ-> Coraxyn: I'm beginning to think the problem is the wifi device.
[13:08] <Coraxyn> Works for this pad, ans os x
[13:08] <TJ-> Coraxyn: I mean the wifi device in the PC
[13:09] <Coraxyn> Os x
[13:09] <Coraxyn> Same machine
[13:09] <Coraxyn> Dual boot
[13:09] <Online_> Hi everyone. I have customized an initrd script provided by the open-iscsi package. Even though that package is not updated often, I would hate an upgrade to overwrite it and have me reapply my customizations. Do I need to locally fork open-iscsi from source packages and build custom package versions, or is there an easier way?
[13:09] <TJ-> Coraxyn: what is the make/model ? lets first check there are no known issues with the hardware
[13:10] <Coraxyn> Early 2008
[13:10] <TJ-> Coraxyn: "journalctl -k | grep DMI:"
[13:10] <TJ-> we have some wiki pages for Mac, let me see where they are
[13:10] <TJ-> !mac
[13:12] <Coraxyn> Apple Inc. iMac 8,1/Mac-F226BEC8, bios. Im81.88z. Etc.
[13:12] <Coraxyn> And 02/09/08
[13:14] <TJ-> Coraxyn: so that leads us to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Intel_iMac
[13:14] <TJ-> Coraxyn:  and first in the list of "Fix Non-Functioning Hardware" is "WiFi / Airport"
[13:15] <Coraxyn> Thanks
[13:16] <TJ-> Coraxyn: info there looks extremely old but it does indicate the wifi chipset is Broadcom, which Linux always has large problems with. We do have several open-source packages to support various versions of Broadcom though so we need to ID which exact device the iMac has
[13:17] <TJ-> Coraxyn:  do "lspci -nnk -d ::0280"
[13:20] <Coraxyn> Back on OS X
[13:31] <coraxx> How do I see the network status ? (in GUI)
[13:46] <Coraxyn> .
[13:47] <Coraxyn> K, have tar of proper driver. Tried to follow instructions but do not have m-a.  Hints?
[13:50] <Coraxyn> .
[14:00] <Coraxyn> .
[14:01] <Coraxyn> TJ- have tar of proper driver.  How to install?
[14:01] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, I just got a new hp laser printer. When trying to get it to print a test page after selecting drivers, it was giving errors. CUPS print spooler seems to have crashed and won't come up now,
[14:01] <TJ-> Coraxyn: not sure, I'd have read the instructions
[14:02] <Coraxyn> Looked in tar.  There are none
[14:02] <Wayward_Vagabond> OS is xubuntu 18.04lts, printer is HP laserjet pro MFP M28w connected with USB
[14:02] <Coraxyn> Tried make && sudo make install but got lots of code errors
[14:05] <TJ-> Coraxyn: looking further we have the 'wl' driver available, I'd suggest trying that first
[14:05] <TJ-> !info broadcom-sta-modules | Coraxyn
[14:05] <TJ-> grrr
[14:06] <Coraxyn> Mm
[14:06] <TJ-> !info broadcom-sta-dkms | Coraxyn
[14:06] <Coraxyn> That is one currently installed
[14:06] <TJ-> Coraxyn: this may not contain support for the BCM4328 but as it is the wl driver I'm thinking it likely will
[14:06] <TJ-> Coraxyn: oh? darn!
[14:07] <Coraxyn> Need. Bcm4321. Driver
[14:07] <TJ-> Coraxyn: 4321? oh, the forum post that was linked to talks about the 4328
[14:08] <Coraxyn> Not sure if they are compatible driver wise
[14:08] <Coraxyn> Os says it is connected to router
[14:08] <Coraxyn> Lshw looks good
[14:09] <TJ-> The dkms package I mentioned says it supports BCM4321
[14:09] <Coraxyn> K, then this should work.....
[14:09] <TJ-> Coraxyn: can you show the PCI ID of the device? as in "lspci -nnk -d ::0280"
[14:09] <Coraxyn> Two issues.  Dhcpdoes not work, and dns has manual entry
[14:10] <TJ-> Coraxyn: because some of the packages show the hardware aliases they support
[14:10] <Coraxyn> K
[14:10] <TJ-> Coraxyn: maybe os x can report the same info
[14:11] <TJ-> Coraxyn: is it booted to Linux at the moment?
[14:11] <TJ-> Coraxyn: what we want to see is the hexadecimal at end of the device's line inside [] brackets, that has the form [VENDOR:DEVICE]
[14:12] <Coraxyn> 04:00.0 “0280” “14e4” “4328” -r05 “106b” “008c”
[14:12] <Coraxyn> Yes
[14:13] <JonelethIrenicus> anyway to add right click uninstall for apps?
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> JonelethIrenicus: You can uninstall packages via the software center, synaptic package manager, or on the command line with "apt remove <package_name>"
[14:14] <Coraxyn> No brackets
[14:14] <Coraxyn> Oops
[14:14] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah i know but i want to be able to right click inside the menu and uninstall
[14:14] <TJ-> Coraxyn: "4328" ?
[14:15] <OerHeks>  odd, the 4321 is BCM4321 (14e4:4329) or  [14e4:4328) ..
[14:15] <Coraxyn> Yep
[14:15] <TJ-> OerHeks: typical Broadcom!
[14:15] <OerHeks> rev 5 ?
[14:15] <Coraxyn> 4321 is mentioned as well
[14:15] <Coraxyn> Rev. 5
[14:16] <Coraxyn> Kernel driver is wl
[14:16] <Coraxyn> So this looks good
[14:16] <TJ-> now this gets weird!  /lib/modules/4.15.0-51-generic/modules.alias:22127:alias pci:v000014E4d00004328sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ssb
[14:17] <TJ-> which is "description:    Sonics Silicon Backplane driver"
[14:17] <TJ-> ^^^ this comes from doing grep -in '14e4.*4328' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/module*
[14:17] <OerHeks> TJ-, time to test hard modprobe all broadcom, and enable -wl again? sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl brcmfmac brcmsmac bcma && sudo modprobe wl
[14:18] <Coraxyn> K
[14:18] <TJ-> OerHeks: sounds good to me
[14:18] <OerHeks> if this works, blacklist
[14:18] <TJ-> but why the ssb ... never seeen that before
[14:18] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, how do I get CUPS spooler running again to try and get the printer itself to do something?
[14:19] <OerHeks> TJ-,  just bing-ed on the modprobe line, found https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2269595
[14:20] <Coraxyn> TJ returns nothing
[14:21] <TJ-> looking at "apt-cache show bcmwl-kernel-source" where it lists the aliases matched it contains "pci:v000014E4d00004328sv*sd*bc02sc80i*" ... ssb has "pci:v000014E4d00004328sv*sd*bc*sc*i*" so the only difference is the BCM wll module is doing a tighter match that includes the class ID 0280 (wireless network)
[14:22] <TJ-> which indicates the BCM4328/21 chipset uses the SSB silicon as the interface but adds 'stuff' on top
[14:22] <Coraxyn> K
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> JonelethIrenicus: This channel focuses its attention on supporting Ubuntu as it is currently offered. It is operated by volunteers. Feature requests and bugs should be reported through the appropriate channels in Launchpad. See !bugs for additional help.
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> JonelethIrenicus: Ubuntu and Canonical do not monitor this channel for feature requests or bug reports
[14:28] <Coraxyn> Did sudo nano /etc/modules
[14:28] <Coraxyn> It is empty
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> Coraxyn: Does the file exist?
[14:30] <Coraxyn> Yes
[14:30] <Coraxyn> Comment lines
[14:31] <Coraxyn> Lshw shows proper device and driver
[14:31] <Coraxyn> And when manual ip etc. Is entered it connects
[14:32] <Coraxyn> Just cannot do internet
[14:32] <Coraxyn> What is routes in gui config?
[14:33] <Coraxyn> Have address ans dns entered but no routes
[14:39] <TJ-> Coraxyn: what is the manual IP address you set?
[14:49] <thyriaen> I installed Kubuntu 19.04 recently, but i get blackscreen after selecting it in  boot menu - ( nomodeset has no effect ), however ubuntu 19.04 boots up fine - any ideas ?
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: did you install kubuntu as a second OS option?
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> meaning are you attempting to dual boot them?
[15:00] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, yeas
[15:01] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, after installing ubunutu - i installed kubuntu with the boot loader on the disk of kubuntu - it reccognized that ubunut was installed so i can still boot it form another disk
[15:02] <Wayward_Vagabond> hrm, what's the option when using apt-get to completely remove a package instead of jut the package proper?
[15:03] <thyriaen> apt-get --help gives a list - do you mean purge ?
[15:03] <ducasse> thyriaen: did you mean 19.04 blackscreens and 18.04 works?
[15:04] <thyriaen> ducasse, no - both versions are 19.04 but one is kubunutu the other ubuntu default with gnome de
[15:04] <Wayward_Vagabond> thyriaen: that was it, thanks
[15:06] <thyriaen> ducasse, thats why i was a bit spooked since they should both boot the same way righrt ?
[15:07] <elias_a> Writing an .iso file to a DVD-R disk "fails" but writing succeeds to a DVD-RW disk using k3b on 18.04.
[15:08] <elias_a> This is what i get to terminal when writing "fails": https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hGScWm46H6/
[15:09] <elias_a> The "failure" occurs when writing is done and k3b is supposed to begin verifying the written disk.
[15:09] <Wayward_Vagabond> Hmm, that failed job seems to be crashing cups, and I can't seem to purge it out
[15:20] <elias_a> To me it seems like the actual writing of the disk is succesful but still an error message is shown for reasons unknown to me...
[15:23] <TJ-> elias_a: are the DVD-R's coasters or can they be read
[15:30] <Wayward_Vagabond> Is there a way to manually flush all the jobs out of cups?
[15:31] <elias_a> TJ-: DVD-R can be read but for some reason md5sum of the disks are different between DVD-R and DVD-RW.
[15:31] <elias_a> TJ-: md5sums created with md5sum /dev/sr0
[15:31] <TJ-> elias_a: could be a writer/media issue... is it possible to reduce the write speed ?
[15:32] <elias_a> TJ-: Sure. I'll try that.
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: small side bar, you do know that you can change desktop environments from the login window? if that was your goal, you could just install the kubuntu-desktop package, and then you can select between Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktops at login.
[15:36] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, thats cute
[15:36] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, still worries me that it wont boot for some unknown reason
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: As far as the blank screen, I'm not entirely sure. Possible that you had some modification to grub to get Ubuntu to boot before, and those need to be applied to the Kubuntu configuration?
[15:37] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, i did not change anything at all in grub - although thats not entirely true
[15:37] <thyriaen> i once booted the "boot repair disk" for another issue i had
[15:37] <thyriaen> but even before then ubuntu booted fine
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> thyriaen: when you installed Kubuntu, was it from a live disk?
[15:39] <thyriaen> pragmaticenigma, i booted from a live usb - and choose the option "install" ( not "try first " )
[15:40] <onomatopie> TJ-: Ok so I ran journalctl -b -1 and what do I look for?
[15:41] <TJ-> onomatopie: go to the end and work backwards. press G to goto end
[15:41] <onomatopie> Yeah I am there
[15:41] <TJ-> onomatopie: see if there are any obvious errors/warnings being reported as you work backwards
[15:42] <onomatopie> https://pastebin.com/ZhTWdBRP
[15:42] <onomatopie> Yeah there is one warning
[15:43] <onomatopie> I should wait for another crash and see if I get commonalities
[15:44] <TJ-> onomatopie: nothing telling there
[15:44] <TJ-> onomatopie: if it is thermal and the CPU/GPU causes a hang then there'll never be anything in the log since it won't be able to write
[15:44] <onomatopie> THat's like 2 whole minutes too
[15:45] <onomatopie> You know since your script.. It seems be cooler
[15:45] <onomatopie> But it still crashed unfortunately
[15:46] <onomatopie> I tried to see if I could swap GPU drivers but I see no way of doing so
[15:51] <TJ-> onomatopie: ACPI is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface, "Power" being the important one since that implies Thermal control too
[15:51] <TJ-> onomatopie: so it is possible you've improved things there... recall Thermal is a suspect but we have no proof... so keep an open mind on other causes like a bad device/driver interaction
[15:52] <ryusaku> hi. why can't I see all the information in my terminal? if i go on the physical server, and issue command 'iw list' - there is a lot of information displayed. but, when I issue the same command through terminal (on MacOs), it cuts the information. is this a client thingie, or a server-side thingie?
[15:54] <elias_a> TJ-: Reducing write speed did not help. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k9JtnR4xNF/
[15:54] <TJ-> elias_a: at this stage I suspect incompatible DVD-R media; do you have some other alternative makes you can test with?
[16:23] <elias_a> TJ-: Nope. These are the only ones I have left. Bought a fresh pack today. I had one left of another brand and tried it with same result.
[16:24] <elias_a> TJ-: 2nd try using DVD-RW: all ok. :O
[16:25] <TJ-> elias_a: seems like incompatible device<>media
[16:26] <elias_a> TJ-: Or hardware failure of DVD writer/reader...
[16:27] <elias_a> I'll take a break and contue testing a bit later.
[16:27] <TJ-> elias_a: can't be failure if it is managing to write RW media
[16:28] <elias_a> TJ-: Yes it can. The method of calibrating the laser is different in these two cases.
[16:29] <elias_a> TJ-: I've actually seen it before...
[16:29] <elias_a> TJ-: Worn capacitors cause interesting phenomena. :P
[17:07] <JonelethIrenicus> any app menu that works well with dash to panel?
[17:11] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/arc-menu-gnome-shell-extension-update
[17:14] <JonelethIrenicus> ioria: hmm looks cool but is failing to install for me
[17:14] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, what ubuntu release ?
[17:15] <JonelethIrenicus> 19.04 upgrade from 18.04
[17:16] <desolatedecstacy> hello guys!
[17:16] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, it works for 19.04 ; what kind of errors you got ?
[17:16]  * desolatedecstacy waves hello
[17:17] <JonelethIrenicus> ioria: just says error on the website
[17:17] <JonelethIrenicus> i can see more detail some where?
[17:18] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, gnome-shell-extensions && chrome-gnome-shell are installed ?
[17:18] <JonelethIrenicus> ya
[17:19] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, restart ff
[17:19] <Sir_Leto> say I have a samba share on my server, can a user then make a folder using a file browser and set permissions on it so that's not readable unless they're the owner/they have permission?
[17:19] <Sir_Leto> or should I really do that in a config file?
[17:20] <JonelethIrenicus> ioria: still not working
[17:20] <JonelethIrenicus> can try a reboot i guess
[17:24] <fuze> my system doesn't recognize a 256gb exfat SD card but it recognizes a 64gb one. Is this because the drive was formatted in windows as exfat or something to do with its large size?
[17:25] <TJ-> fuze: could be the hardware (the chipset in the SD-card controller) - many have limitations on the size they can handle due to register widths
[17:25] <fuze> TJ-: but it works fine on windows 10
[17:25] <TJ-> fuze: on the same PC?
[17:25] <fuze> yes
[17:25] <TJ-> fuze: hmmm, that's good then... first check the device size is recognised correctly with "lsblk"
[17:26] <fuze> Its not :(
[17:26] <TJ-> fuze: ok, we have a clue. Let's now check the kernel log. "journalctl -k" - in a pastebin if you can "pastebinit <( journalctl -k )"
[17:27] <OerHeks> 64 gb also exfat?
[17:27] <fuze> yes
[17:27] <Coraxyn> TJ- switched to Mint, loaded driver from thump, DHCP now works, but no connection to network
[17:27] <fuze> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sudcHf2n/
[17:27] <Coraxyn> Cannot even ping local router
[17:27] <OerHeks> oke, so you have exfat-fuse exfat-utils installed, fuze?
[17:27] <fuze> yes
[17:27] <OerHeks> is that 256 gb encrypted?
[17:28] <OerHeks> (bitlocker)
[17:28] <fuze> no
[17:28] <TJ-> Coraxyn: sounds like something to do with the BCM device doesn't it
[17:28] <fuze> Its micro sd to sd adapter, I can try another adapter
[17:28] <Coraxyn> Yes, except am using now with OS X :)
[17:29] <TJ-> fuze: that pastebin only shows the start of the log
[17:30] <TJ-> fuze: micro-SD to SD would only be a physical size adapter, it is unlikely to be the cause of the device not being read correctly by Linux
[17:31] <fuze> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mNN6rJv5jr/
[17:32] <fuze> Sep 15 13:30:38 kubuntu-laptop kernel: mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising SD card
[17:32] <TJ-> fuze: precisely: "mmc0: cannot verify signal voltage switch"
[17:32] <Coraxyn> TJ- giving up.  This machine is probably old.  Getting another soon so will try again.  Thank you for your patient help
[17:32] <fuze> Any way to fix it?
[17:33] <fuze> Is it this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1735099
[17:33] <TJ-> fuze: not sure what is causing it but we now have firm clues
[17:33] <TJ-> fuze:  further back there's also an unrelated "13:24:38 kubuntu-laptop kernel: okular[1508]: segfault at<PHONE_NUMBER>2b ..."
[17:34] <TJ-> fuze: let's find out which device it is
[17:34] <fuze> TJ-: I think okular failed because I deleted an open file
[17:34] <onomatopie> TJ-: Thanks :-) Will try nexdt time
[17:36] <fuze> TJ- : https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vzlv9rDK/
[17:36] <TJ-> fuze: looks like those errors don't always mean the card cannot be read, see " 11:56:00 kubuntu-laptop kernel: mmc0: new ultra high speed SDR104 SDXC card at address 0001 " which is the 65GB device
[17:37] <fuze> Im going to install this: https://github.com/Zibri/Realtek-rts5229-linux-driver
[17:38] <TJ-> fuze: can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk) "
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> fuze: bios is from 2017 also, maybe check for new releases?
[17:38] <fuze> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xJqtgFXkVV/
[17:39] <TJ-> fuze:  so the device is 10ec:5227 usinf driver rtsx_pci
[17:39] <fuze> yes
[17:41] <fuze> there actually is a Jul 19, 2019 bios update, ill boot into windows for it
[17:41] <TJ-> fuze: I'll see if the patch mentioned in the bug report has made it into mainline
[17:44] <fuze> It says triaged
[17:52] <TJ-> fuze: I've updated the bug report. Couldn't find what change was made to fix 'it' (read errors) which are completely different from what you're seeing
[17:55] <kinghat> is there a bash shortcut to clear the line no matter what position on the line youre at?
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: ##linux or #bash perhaps?
[17:58] <nshire> what's the "[  OK  ] Started (...)" screen that shows on boot called?
[18:00] <nshire> wondering if I can see that after a successful boot
[18:00] <fuze> bios update didnt fix it
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> nshire: tell us whats your endgoal please?
[18:00] <nshire> I just want to see that screen
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> nshire: press F1
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> for textboot
[18:01] <nshire> press or hold f1 after grub menu?
[18:01] <fuze> TJ-: I dont have the folder /usr/src/rts5229-1.07/ for the patch
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> nshire: when you see the ubuntu loading screen, press F1 yeah
[18:01] <nshire> mmk thanks
[18:01] <fuze> oh nevermind I have to make it
[18:02] <kinghat> i know that ctrl+c cancels and newlines was just wondering if there was a clear without returning new line.
[18:03] <EriC^^> kinghat: you could do ctrl+u, that would "cut" it
[18:03] <EriC^^> (ctrl+y pastes fwiw)
[18:05] <kinghat> ctrl+u just clears to line start. im saying clear the full line no matter where you are in the line. i guess there is probably only ctrl+c.
[18:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:09] <fuze> TJ-: the patch didn't fix it, is it possible to fix?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> fuze: can you try a latest kernel from !mainline
[18:09] <fuze> so I install backports ppa?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> no
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | fuze
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> fuze: a 5.3 series for example
[18:12] <fuze> lotuspsychje: Is there a way to fix it without doing that?
[18:12] <Sir_Leto> I cannot for the life my figure out why my system things one of my zfs pools is in use, can I just wipe the drive or will that break things?
[18:12] <Sir_Leto> *me
[18:13] <ducasse> kinghat: there is ctrl-a ctrl-k, although that is two presses
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> fuze: the bug you posted, last answer was 2017, does this bug still occur on current kernel? if yes wich version?
[18:15] <fuze> lotuspsychje: would it be possible to put in on a live usb so I don't have to mess with my system
[18:15] <fuze> 5.0.0-27-generic
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> fuze: sure, you can do some tests, 19.10 daily for example has kernel 5.2
[18:16] <fuze> ok I downloaded kubuntu here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> fuze: ok, if you test things, please update your bug with what you did please, so developers can follow recent changes
[18:18] <fuze> where do I update it?
[18:18] <TJ-> fuze: from looking at the (lack of) changes to the rtsx_pic module it doesn't look like Realtek pay it much attention for that device you have. One thing you could try though, is an ACPI OSI workaround, see my article https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> fuze: updating, i mean adding a new comment to your bug, mentioning the test you did
[18:19] <fuze> lotuspsychje: I would have to make a bug report for it right?
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> fuze: wasnt you affected to the bug you posted?
[18:20] <fuze> TJ says its a different bug, and the linked patch didn't fix it for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1735099
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> fuze: try TJ- new suggest acpi workaround then
[18:27] <zmjjmz> Hey there -- I'm moving to Ubuntu from Arch (our ops folks are permissive, but apparently not that permissive) and I'm trying to get termite working. I've encountered a few issues (on a new install of 19.04) getting it working, but before that: what is the termit package? is that legit?
[18:27] <zmjjmz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+source/termit
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> !info termit | zmjjmz
[18:28] <zmjjmz> The error I'm hitting is with following the manual install steps here: https://computingforgeeks.com/install-termite-terminal-on-ubuntu-18-04-ubuntu-16-04-lts/ , when I go to make the vte-ng package I hit an error in vala
[18:28] <zmjjmz> >app.vala:820.3-820.23: error: struct `Test.App.Options' cannot be empty
[18:29] <zmjjmz> @lotuspsychje can you speak to if that's a good replacement/equivalent to termite?
[18:40] <ducasse> zmjjmz: there aren't really any good replacements for termite, afaik, but it's hell to build on ubuntu. i've been hoping for a ppa
[18:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi guys
[18:41] <aleksandrdvorkin> i have problem i can see the USB flashdrive by issuing command dmesg
[18:42] <aleksandrdvorkin> but when i do lsblk its not showing
[18:42] <zmjjmz> @ducasse that's too bad, I'll see if I can make gnome-terminal or termit work for me... really I just wanna get rid of this dang title bar
[18:46] <fuze> TJ-: acpi workaround didnt fix it
[18:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> what does it mean when i do mount /dev/sdb1/mnt i get mount: /dev/sdb1/mnt; cant find in /etc/fstab
[18:53] <ducasse> aleksandrdvorkin: you probably mean 'mount /dev/sdb /mnt'
[18:53] <tds> if you want to mount /dev/sdb1 at /mnt, you're missing a space, you want `mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt`
[18:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> it says /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[18:53] <salamanderrake> ?? >> "E: Release file for http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco-security/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 50min 37s). Updates for this repository will not be applied."
[18:54] <salamanderrake> Is that a bad error?
[18:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> but dmesg shows that i have USB flashdrive
[18:54] <salamanderrake> aleksandrdvorkin: sudo  fdisk -l
[18:55] <fuze> TJ-: actually the patch on the bug page fixed it, I just had to run "sudo update-initramfs -u" afterward. Although I do have the acpi workaround installed as well now, but I dont think that is needed too
[18:56] <aleksandrdvorkin> it doesnt list the sdb
[18:56] <aleksandrdvorkin> but its there the dmesg says
[18:56] <salamanderrake> if its not listed by fdisk, its not there.
[18:56] <salamanderrake> try replugging it back in.
[18:57] <vlad-k> I would try another flash drive
[18:57] <aleksandrdvorkin> i unplugged and plugged it back in  now it shows disk /dev/sdb 14.8 GB
[18:58] <salamanderrake> your desktop should automount it.
[18:58] <salamanderrake> or give you an option to open it up
[18:58] <salamanderrake> or something.
[18:59] <fuze> TJ-: I added my report to the bug comments
[18:59] <fuze> Thank you all for the help
[19:02] <nuala> I have to systems running bionic. One lost the ability to resolve hostnames. dig returns SERVFAIL. (Server <IP_ADDRESS>) however nmcli device show on both system list our router as gateway. Only one machine is affected and we havent messed with any DNS settings routerwise or on the computers.
[19:05] <kaefert> can somebody help me with this problem?
[19:05] <kaefert> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2426925
[19:10] <ioria> kaefert, can you paste /etc/default/grub ?
[19:11] <kaefert> sadly, no. I can't boot into the system
[19:12] <ioria> kaefert, why not ?
[19:12] <kaefert> Or is that the same as I see when I press "e" in grub to edit the boot options?
[19:12] <kaefert> because the graphics drivers for this thing are non existent, so only text output works
[19:12] <ioria> kaefert, yes, and tell us what are the parameters
[19:12] <kaefert> and it seems the installed ubuntu server 19.04 tries to do something more fancy than that which results in "no signal" screen
[19:13] <kaefert> okey, I'm gonna reboot and make a picture of it.
[19:15] <kaefert> it starts of with setparams 'Ubuntu'
[19:15] <kaefert> then theres an empty line
[19:15] <kaefert> next is recordfail
[19:15] <ioria> kaefert, the 'linux' line, please
[19:16] <kaefert> okey: linux /vmlinuz-5.0.0-13-generic root=UUID=11449776-... ro
[19:17] <OerHeks> does it give on the vga port no-signal too?
[19:17] <ioria> kaefert, just 'ro' after the uuid ?
[19:17] <kaefert> yes
[19:18] <kaefert> the next line says: initd /initrd.img-5.0.0-13-generic
[19:18] <ioria> kaefert, boot in recovery mode
[19:18] <kaefert> tried that, same result only bigger font before the picture vanishes
[19:19] <ioria> kaefert, what's the video card ?
[19:20] <kaefert> if I'd only knew. something bad..
[19:20] <kaefert> those are the specs: https://www.qnap.com/en/product/ts-469l/specs/hardware
[19:21] <kaefert> I just found it has an VGA output too below the HDMI connector. Maybe it switches to only use the VGA somehow
[19:22] <kaefert> I need to find a monitor with VGA connector...
[19:25] <OerHeks> kaefert, did you just install server plain, or with SSH service too? the debian guide talks of server + ssh, to get access https://wiki.qnap.com/wiki/Debian_Installation_On_QNAP
[19:26] <ioria> kaefert, you probably need to set the video output configuration manually on the kernel command line
[19:27] <kaefert> i ticked the install ssh box during installation, but somehow it is not reachable in my network..
[19:27] <ioria> kaefert, shooting in the dark: video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080
[19:27] <kaefert> okey, I'm gonna try that.
[19:32] <Sven_vB> from within an initramfs shell, how do I determin which of both disks I booted from? each has an ESP
[19:33] <Sven_vB> can I just get the path to the initrd file somehow?
[19:34] <OerHeks> mount would show there root is?
[19:34] <OerHeks> c/there / where
[19:34] <kaefert> ioria, no change, sadly.
[19:35] <elias_a> TJ-: Guess what - Brasero works flawlessly using same DVD-R media. :O
[19:35] <OerHeks> brasero is my fav too..
[19:35] <OerHeks> stil k3b should do the job the same way
[19:36] <elias_a> OerHeks: Yes - apparently it does not.
[19:36] <elias_a> OerHeks: I'd love to make a bug report but I don't know which package we are talking about here...
[19:39] <OerHeks> k3b?
[19:39] <bprompt> elias_a:   what's k3b not doing again?  just wondering
[19:39] <OerHeks> not properly closing a disc.. that is what i think happened
[19:40] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:40] <ioria> kaefert, shooting in the dark: video=HDMI-A-3:1280x720
[19:40] <OerHeks> not even on slow mode x2/x4
[19:40] <bprompt> I've done quite a bit of burning with k3b, but mostly CDs, worked fine, haven't done any DVDs since haven't needed to
[19:41] <elias_a> bprompt: It fails finalizing writing an .iso file to DVD-R disk whereas DVD-RW works ok.
[19:43] <elias_a> This behaviour of k3b is really odd.
[19:44] <bprompt> elias_a:   well, I'm on kubuntu 16.04, don't use DVDs much if any for ripping, but when I used to do a lot of burning, in 12.04 or before, it worked perfect for doing mp3s or audio CDs, it may just be that specific version
[19:45] <elias_a> bprompt: It has worked for me as well. Now looking at strace there's a lot of troublesome stuff there.
[19:48] <TJ-> elias_a: interesting... the use different underlying tools/libs
[19:51] <TJ-> elias_a: brasero uses wodim et al, k3b used dvd+rw-tools
[19:53] <elias_a> TJ-: Yes - I noticed.
[19:54] <TJ-> I do a lot of CD/DVD writing of masters not had any problems with k3b in years
[20:06] <elias_a> Is there a way to sort a set of directories to groups that would be about the size of a DVD-R?
[20:36] <___yrag> How can I get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and ruby-build@2019-04-23 for ubuntu?
[20:36] <___yrag> When I install rbenv I get 1.1.1 and ruby-build@2017-0726
[20:47] <error_one>
[21:09] <jpmh> years ago, as I remember it, I could do something like: init 1 to switch to single user mode - how do I do that with 18.4
[22:04] <bayman> is there a default firewall enabled on 18.04 server?
[22:08] <OerHeks> there is a default ufw installed, without rules and not enabled. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[22:08] <OerHeks> or go wild with iptables directly?
[22:42] <Vysty> I managed muck up my Ubuntu 16.04 to the point where I lost the ability to use my mouse and keyboard, and I'm trying to just upgrade to 18.04 to fix it. Is there any way I can make that upgrade without deleting all my documents, photos, music, etc.? (Yes I have a backup)
[22:45] <arooni> is there a shortcut to dismiss a notification message on ubuntu 18.04?
[22:46] <Vysty> arooni: Looks like we're alone here.
[22:46] <OerHeks> super + M ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/847915/quick-shortcut-to-dismiss-notifications-in-gnome-3
[22:47] <OerHeks> Vysty, good you have a backup :-D
[22:47] <arooni> oooh neato
[22:47] <OerHeks> no , i am not sure your upgrade would give a working system.
[22:47] <Vysty> OerHeks: No kidding. I just get nervous whenever I have to use it and I'm bumming around here before I click the "install" button to check one last time.
[22:47] <OerHeks> interesting you managed to do something without keyboard and mouse
[22:48] <Vysty> OerHeks: I made a bootable USB drive.
[22:48] <Vysty> The mouse works now.
[22:48] <Vysty> I made the mistake of trying to follow some directions for upgrading I found online that involved a bunch of terminal commands I wasn't familiar with.
[22:48] <OerHeks> oke, that would be 1st advise, make a fresh 18.04 usb, and have fun with upgrading
[22:48] <Vysty> Yeap, that's what I just did. Alrighty then, forward I goooooo....
[22:48] <OerHeks> some sources/ppa's will not survive upgrading, those are propperly disabled.
[22:49] <OerHeks> and rleasenotes
[22:49] <OerHeks> !releasenotes
[23:15] <Phruis> how can i see what application is using a port?
[23:18] <sillyslux> i've just tried disco dingo, i've used gnome-tweak-tools to change the gtk theme to adwaita and adwaita-dark, i've expected the changes to be reflected in ~/.config/gtk-3/settings.ini but the file doesn't change. what's happening instead?
[23:19] <OerHeks> lsof -i :<port>
[23:20] <OerHeks> sillyslux, after changing theme, maybe you need to logout/login to take effect?
[23:20] <Sven_vB> what was the kernel param again to boot into multi-user.target?
[23:21] <sillyslux> do you think so?
[23:21] <Sven_vB> found in https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.html , systemd.unit=
[23:22] <OerHeks> sillyslux, i see no settings.ini  there, but then again i do not touch themes
[23:23] <sillyslux> also i have ~/.config/gtk-4/settings.ini but contents are the same
[23:24] <sillyslux> oh it's .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[23:24] <OerHeks> yes, that would be logical, for all 2 3 and 4
[23:26] <amrasouli79> Hello How I can rotate ubuntu screen?
[23:27] <flog> amrasouli79: try arandr
[23:28] <sillyslux> xrandr?
[23:28] <sillyslux> also display settings offer orientation changes
[23:29] <sillyslux> with gui
[23:29] <OerHeks> xrandr -o left / xrandr -o normal
[23:29] <amrasouli79> flog: I was tryed xrandr and arandr but if the main problem is if I restart the system every thing was gone?
[23:29] <OerHeks> grinn
[23:30] <amrasouli79> OerHeks: How I can  save this permanently
[23:30] <OerHeks> put it in your .bashrc i think?
[23:30] <sillyslux> .profile?
[23:31] <OerHeks> err profile would be correct, indeed
[23:31] <amrasouli79> OerHeks: I should try this
[23:32] <amrasouli79> sillyslux:Yes I did it but nothing has happened
[23:32] <sillyslux> you did what?
[23:33] <OerHeks> jelly-work
[23:33] <IkoIko> i for got the command line to upload and view system info ?
[23:33] <IkoIko> i for got the command-line to upload and view system info Anyone know it?
[23:34] <flog> IkoIko: uname -a?
[23:34] <amrasouli79> sillyslux: I was created a .profile file inside my home directory and was  saved my xrandr command inside that\
[23:34] <IkoIko> flog i dunno
[23:34] <flog> Or what do you mean with upload?
[23:34] <sillyslux> didn't you already have .profile file?
[23:34] <OerHeks> hostnamectrl gives some private numbers, lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:34] <IkoIko> the command uploads the system info to a webpage
[23:34] <sillyslux> also, the file is only used when you login, so you'd have to logout first
[23:35] <flog> IkoIko:to be hosted on a webserver on the system?
[23:35] <IkoIko> yes i know someone here nows it
[23:36] <flog> phpsysinfo does that.
[23:36] <OerHeks> sudo lshw -html, nice layout
[23:37]  * IkoIko is away -( brb )- at 06:37pm -( P:On / L:On )-
[23:37] <amrasouli79> sillyslux: let me install ubuntu inside my system and then will ask you again.unfortunately I was delete whole of my hard drive and I should install ubuntu again
[23:38] <sillyslux> lolwat?
[23:38] <amrasouli79> what?
[23:40] <IkoIko> thats the command to upload system info ?
[23:41] <amrasouli79> sillyslux: Can I ask my question later from you?
[23:41] <sillyslux> yes if i'm still there
[23:43] <amrasouli79> sillyslux: Thank you
[23:43] <sillyslux> oh weird, inotify shows access only to .config/dconf/ .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini and .config/gtk-4.0/settings.ini but changes are not written
[23:44] <sillyslux> i guess it somehow uses gnome-session
[23:44] <Phruis> the app store keeps saying "Something went wrong"
[23:44] <sillyslux> aw man...


[01:57] <teward> can someone jump into #ubuntu and talk to RiFi and inform them that their random babble is going to get them in trouble?
[01:58] <teward> if nobody minds :)
[02:00] <k1l> i am having a look :)
[02:00] <k1l> *sigh*
[11:24] <Myrtti> sigh
[15:23] <Pici> k1l_: finally ate that cinnamon bun?
[15:24] <k1l_> ?
[15:24] <Pici> @
[15:24] <k1l_> ah :)
[15:25] <k1l_> yeah. i needed to install the right python version for chanserv.py to work here on windows first. and then i forgot to deop
 what if i fork bombed a ubuntu server
[19:49] <dax> second time i've tabbed over to #ubuntu today and seen TweedleDum being offtopic and using schizophrenia as an excuse
[20:14] <Unit193> Pici`_: Are you using cap_sasl?
[20:14] <Pici`_> Unit193: I was, trying to disable it and set the network setting...
[20:14] <Unit193> Pici`_: Irssi 0.8.18 blacklists it as it conflicts with the built-in SASL.
[20:14] <Pici`_> also, I tried to do 'dont autojoin channels... but that seems to have not worked
[20:15] <Pici`_> yeah
[20:20]  * genii makes more coffee
[22:02] <Pici> Unit193: rebuilt irssi and nuked my entire old .irssi directory and it seems to be working now.
[22:03] <Unit193> Ouch, sounds painful.  Wondered what was taking a bit.
[22:07] <Pici> I also had some some meetings to attend to
[22:08] <Pici> Its also in ppa:bnrubin/irssi if anyone wants the latest version for Trusty.
[22:08] <Unit193> Did you backport directly from Xenial or enable dnsval?
[22:09] <Pici> Unit193: its just a straight backport, I made no changes.
[22:09] <Pici> PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk.
[22:09] <Pici> ;)
[22:10] <dax> Pirssi also contains the helpful IRCC.pl, which will send all your logs to the IRCC for review.
[22:10] <Unit193> Hah, I've already been running .18, I'm good.
[22:11] <Unit193> Looks like you either trimmed or lost channels, nice.
[22:16] <Unit193> Pici: Erm, since you're updating things, I *strongly* urge you to upgrade to connecting over TLS.
[23:17] <yonatan> so taffy (who i've never met) hass been spamming me with "fuck u" PMs from as soon as i joined the channel. i doubt i'm the only one he's harassing.
[23:18] <Unit193> I can confirm, yes.
[23:19] <Unit193> yonatan: Taken care of.
[23:19] <yonatan> thanks Unit193
[23:19] <Jordan_U> Unit193: I am just dropping in then out again. Would you mind commenting amd dealing with any fallout?
[23:21] <elky> it's emeraldzebra44 from yesterday
[23:24] <Unit193> Jordan_U: I can try and help, but not an #ubuntu op. :)


 I think that went very well, apologies I was a little nervous. Great job from you SImon
 hahahaha I would say the same in return!
 thanks for making it at such a late hour :)
 You know what I forgot. The Contest Doh!!
 I was just thinking that hmm
 Noah gave me the opporunity to talk about future, and I missed it
 I'll shoot him a quick message, sec
 Cool, thanks and sorry totally lost my footing there
 no worries :) I think combined we covered it all!
 OK, Thanks Simon, I'm going to wrap up and get my head down. ttfn
 https://podcast.asknoahshow.com/377
[14:01] <sgmoore> Great show :)
 I'm glad :D
[17:46] <sgmoore> Hi all, if someone could please prepare a release announcement for tomorrows 22.04.4 Jammy release, I would be super grateful.
 @Rick_Timmis you may want to fix your website haha: http://www.ricktimmis.com
 I am working on that, not quite there, am moving everything off AWS. (re @ahoneybun: @Rick_Timmis you may want to fix your website haha: http://www.ricktimmis.com)
 I have my own website on GitHub Pages. Works really well, just need to get my domains from Google Domains though.
[21:29] <valorie> listening to @tsimonq2 rn
 How was it?


[21:26] <tdaitx> hi there, could someone please set LP: #1672545 importance as whishlist?
[21:37] <hggdh> tdaitx: only a britney maintainer can set the status (the bug is not against an Ubuntu package)
[21:37] <tdaitx> hggdh, gah, you are right, my bad
[21:38] <tdaitx> thanks for the heads up =)
[21:38] <hggdh> :-) no problem


[19:02] <dhillon-v10> hi all what should be done for the pages that have the unsupported tag on them


[00:05] <SoItBegins> Hello?
[00:06] <SoItBegins> I've got a MacBook Pro that I just got, used
[00:06] <SoItBegins> I'm planning to triple-boot from it.
[00:06] <SoItBegins> As such, I've got a small drive (20GB) to install Ubuntu onto.
[00:06] <SoItBegins> My only issue is,
[00:06] <SoItBegins> 32 bit, or 64 bit?
[00:06] <SoItBegins> And what is the difference, practically speaking?
[00:13] <ashams> SoItBegins: Hi
[00:13] <SoItBegins> Hi.
[00:14] <ashams> SoItBegins: it depends on your machines type
[00:14] <SoItBegins> It's a MacBook Pro with an Intel Core 2 Duo.
[00:14] <ashams> SoItBegins: let me check
[00:16] <ashams> SoItBegins: almost a 32
[00:16] <SoItBegins> Almost?
[00:16] <ashams> SoItBegins: yeah ;)
[00:16] <SoItBegins> So... I should install the 32-bit version, then.
[00:16] <ashams> yes sure
[00:17] <SoItBegins> OK, thanks!
[00:17] <ashams> SoItBegins: yw :D
[00:17] <ashams> best wishes
[00:17] <SoItBegins> Thank you— see ya
[02:37] <SoItBegins> Hello!
[02:37] <SoItBegins> I'm writing this from the Ubuntu LiveCD I'm getting ready to install on my MacBook Pro.
[02:37] <SoItBegins> Quick question, though...
[02:37] <SoItBegins> Presently, I've got the MacBook's HD divided into two parts:
[02:37] <SoItBegins> 150 GB for Mac OS X,
[02:38] <SoItBegins> and 50 GB for Windows.
[02:38] <SoItBegins> Can I install BOTH Windows and Ubuntu on the 50GB? And be able to boot to either?
[02:38] <pleia2> I don't know about macs specifically, but on any other system that would be fine
[02:40] <SoItBegins> How would I handle switching between the OSes?
[02:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> pleia2, or what about wubi ?
[02:41] <pleia2> SoItBegins: again, I don't know about macs but on a regular system it uses a boot loader called grub to select which OS you want to boot in to
[02:41] <SoItBegins> Oh. Right.
[02:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> SoItBegins, you can install Ubuntu inside windows though. Let me find a good channel to ask this question
[02:41] <SoItBegins> See, I read that Macs have to use Darwin bootloader, or you can't boot Mac OS X...
[02:42] <SoItBegins> (The MacBook already has OS X installed. I'm putting Ubuntu and Windows on.)
[02:43] <philipballew> SoItBegins, you need the rmi app i beleive
[02:43] <philipballew> i think its called that
[02:48] <SoItBegins> Hmm.
[02:48] <SoItBegins> Do you think it would be better if I took this to the general channel?
[02:49] <philipballew> well actually what mac book you have?
[02:49] <SoItBegins> MacBook Pro, circa 2008 I believe.
[02:49] <SoItBegins> Intel Core 2 Duo processor family.
[02:51] <SoItBegins> There's this one guide
[02:51] <SoItBegins> http://modmyi.com/forums/installation/352141-dual-triple-boot-guide-osx86-linux-mac-windows.html
[02:52] <SoItBegins> That says I'll have to make three partitions; I can't install BOTH Ubuntu and Windows on the same partition.
[02:52] <philipballew> no, you can not
[02:52] <philipballew> id make 3 if it was me
[02:52] <SoItBegins> Oh, never mind then.
[02:52] <SoItBegins> If it's separate partitions, then I'm pretty sure I know what to do
[02:52] <philipballew> wubi will run., but its not running ubuntu as well as it could
[02:52] <SoItBegins> Thanks for all of your help.
[02:53] <philipballew> for sure :)
[02:56] <philipballew> id rather run osx then windows, but ubuntu would be better probably
[06:45] <kristian-aalborg> hiya holstein
[10:43] <thewrath> how can i get text between point a and point b in a text string
[10:46] <geirha> In a shell? with the string in a variable?
[10:47] <geirha> var2=${var1#*"point a"} var2=${var2%"point b"*}
[10:48] <geirha> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/100
[16:33] <dr0pb3ar> g'day everyone.
[16:35] <dr0pb3ar> I have recently bought a new netbook and want to have windows and ubuntu on it. I have installed ubuntu before I shrunk my windows partition right down. Now there is a large unallocated section. I have booted into ubuntu 11.04 and 10.10 to use gparted to resize the ubuntu parition but it has a key symbol next to it and says that it is in use... any suggestions on how to "un-busy" it?
[16:39] <holstein> dr0pb3ar: you want to do that from a live CD
[16:40] <holstein> you'll need to have the hard drive unmounted, and you *should* be able to get what you want done
[16:43] <dr0pb3ar> thanks for your help. I just figured it out. I had to right click on "linux-swap" and click "swap off". I don't quite understand what that did but it fixed the problem and got rid of the key
[16:44] <geirha> Yeah, the liveCD will look for a swap drive on your harddrive and use one if it finds one
[16:44] <geirha> *swap partition
[16:44] <geirha> Gives your session more virtual memory, which should make it slightly faster
[16:45] <geirha> No wait, what am I saying.
[16:46] <dr0pb3ar> that makes sense.
[16:46] <dr0pb3ar> well i'm just glad I figured it out.
[16:46] <dr0pb3ar> thanks for the help
[16:47] <geirha> Yeah, that's what matters. :)
[16:47] <dr0pb3ar> see you all later
[17:53] <BlueFox> New install 10.04 dual boot xp pro white screen at start up.
[17:56] <BlueFox> have spent days trying to figure out why. Any suggestions?
[17:57] <urlin2u> BlueFox, do you know your GPU
[17:57] <ashams> BlueFox: can you see the Grub boot menu?
[17:59] <urlin2u> recovery and failsafe should do the trick if grub menu shows
[18:00] <ashams> urlin2u: yeah, but we need to make which OS brings that white screen
[18:01] <urlin2u> for sure they went off just as we wanted to help.
[18:02] <urlin2u> patience is a virtue in these cases.
[18:02] <urlin2u> ashams, go for it .
[18:02] <ashams> urlin2u: patience worked fine :D
[18:03] <ashams> Blue-Fox: hi again
[18:03] <Blue-Fox> hi
[18:03] <ashams> so that white screen shows up while booting Ubuntu?
[18:03] <Blue-Fox> yes it does
[18:04] <Blue-Fox> i can hear the sound at startup but only a white screen
[18:04] <ashams> Does Ubuntu continues to load normally?
[18:04] <Blue-Fox> no it just sits there with white screen and cant see cursor
[18:05] <Blue-Fox> the only way i can get it to boot is by changing  boot order to cd and  boot with  live cd
[18:05] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Have you tried to hit Ctrl+Alt+F1
[18:06] <Blue-Fox> I don't remember trying that but will try it
[18:06] <ashams> Blue-Fox: if you did and it showed a login prompt, then it's an Xorg bug
[18:06] <InfoLoco> hi people, I need some help please.
[18:07] <InfoLoco> I'm working with Xubuntu. I would like to include X11NVCserver when the system boots ...
[18:07] <InfoLoco> It is very complex for me, because it's my first time working with XFCE
[18:07] <Blue-Fox> One of the things I tried was to change the log in screen settings to Gnome Failsafe which helped to a degree but for some reason the failsafe mode would not let me access the wireless router. Another thing that happened was the unlock button in the login screen settings window stopped working (It was stuck).
[18:08] <ashams> Blue-Fox: I think this is normal in failsafe mode
[18:09] <Blue-Fox> ok
[18:09] <Blue-Fox> deleted the partitions and now here I am stuck again with having to boot up with the Ubuntu CD in the CD drive.
[18:09] <ashams> Blue-Fox: that's bad
[18:10] <Blue-Fox> iam learning what not to do
[18:10] <ashams> Blue-Fox: you were trying to install it again?
[18:10] <Blue-Fox> i did install it again and am using it now
[18:11] <Blue-Fox> same problem as before white screen without using the live cd
[18:11] <ashams> Blue-Fox: it can be just a corruption while installation.
[18:11] <ashams> Blue-Fox: I'll research further
[18:12] <Blue-Fox> i did see some errors messages at the end of the install when the cd door opened
[18:12] <Blue-Fox> thank you very much ashams!
[18:13] <ashams> Blue-Fox: yw, but wait, I finding some interesting results
[18:15] <Blue-Fox> ok
[18:17] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Do you have nvedia chipset?
[18:17] <Blue-Fox> not sure how is the best way to check
[18:18] <ashams> Blue-Fox: No need, please just hit Ctrl+Alt+1 then use instructions here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/white-screen-of-death-in-ubuntu-post-nvidia-driver-install-558913/#post2774083
[18:19] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Sorry I meant Ctrl+Alt+F1
[18:19] <ashams> Blue-Fox: it'll ask you for your login name and password
[18:26] <ashams> Blue-Fox: Please just hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 then use instructions here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/white-screen-of-death-in-ubuntu-post-nvidia-driver-install-558913/#post2774083
[18:40] <ashams> InfoLoco: Hey, sorry for late response
[18:40] <ashams> InfoLoco: Please check this: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/395703-run-command-xfce-startup.html#post1873187
[18:42] <InfoLoco> omg Np,
[18:42] <InfoLoco> Thsk for answer indeed
[18:43] <ashams> InfoLoco: yw, hope it helps :D
[18:43] <InfoLoco> Opensuse? Nop, im using xubuntu
[18:44] <InfoLoco> k, thks
[18:44] <ashams> InfoLoco: I couldn't find a difference between the 2 cases
[18:44] <InfoLoco> k, thks
[18:45] <ashams> InfoLoco: Doesn't have the 'Xfce 4 Autostarted Applications' app in yours?
[18:45] <ashams> InfoLoco: k, best wishes
[18:46] <InfoLoco> Your instructions works!!! Im Happy Now
[18:46] <BlueFox> thank you ashams  i think this is my video card not sure: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[18:46] <InfoLoco> Thank You
[18:46] <ashams> InfoLoco: yw
[18:47] <ashams> BlueFox: What did the command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' make?
[18:48] <BlueFox> i didn't do the command because i could not find what to do in the information on the website
[18:49] <BlueFox> i will try it and let you know
[18:49] <ashams> BlueFox: Oh, sorry, my mistake
[18:49] <ashams> BlueFox: we can do it step by step
[18:50] <BlueFox> i may need to use another computer because when I am in the terminal i cant see this screen
[18:51] <BlueFox> ok now i figurer it out
[18:51] <ashams> BlueFox: Great, what was that?
[19:00] <BlueFox> i am not sure what information you need now
[19:02] <ashams> BlueFox: np, just try to fix it, and let me know when you do it :D
[19:04] <BlueFox> ok thanks for taking the time to help. I am so new at this it may take me some time to figure out everything. Thank you again
[19:18] <BlueFox> Ashams,  you fixed my sons's computer. It now works seamlessly without the live CD. A big THANK YOU to Ashams your the best!!
[19:19] <ashams> BlueFox: yw, best wishes for you and your son :D
[19:19] <BlueFox> Thank you i will be sure and tell him all you have done.
[19:19] <urlin2u> a smattering of applause from the peanut gallery ashams
[19:20] <urlin2u> for*
[19:20] <ashams> urlin2u: Thank you :D
[19:33] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:38] <ashams> sebsebseb: Hi
[19:39] <sebsebseb> ashams: hi
[19:40] <ashams> sebsebseb: Need help?
[19:40] <sebsebseb> ashams: nope
[19:42] <ashams> sebsebseb: Great :P
[22:11] <SoItBegins> Help! I just installed Ubuntu, and instead of the GNOME window system that was on the LiveCD, I've got this Unity system which I'm having serious trouble with. How do I switch back?
[22:16] <SoItBegins> Alternately, are there some preferences I can change to get it more like it was on the LiveCD (with an application bar at the bottom, no Launcher, the Ubuntu menu displays categories instead of a big search thing...)
[22:21] <SoItBegins> ....going to ask over in #ubuntu.
[22:22] <Unit193> SoItBegins: There should be a "fallback" mode in the login screen
[22:24] <SoItBegins> And I can make that permanent?
[22:25] <ashams> SoItBegins: There's an option down there
[22:25] <ashams> SoItBegins: and it's permanent
[22:25] <Unit193> Unless you change it back ;)
[22:25] <SoItBegins> Oh, good. Thank you!
[22:26] <SoItBegins> OK, got another one for you
[22:26] <SoItBegins> I'm running Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro
[22:26] <SoItBegins> Is there a way I can interchangeably use Command in place of the Control key?
[22:26] <SoItBegins> (So I can still do Cmnd+Q to quit something, for instance.)
[22:27] <SoItBegins> As it is, I can tell pressing the command key does *something*, but I'm not really sure what.
[22:27] <ashams> SoItBegins: That's a hard one
[22:28]  * ashams Researching
[22:28] <Unit193> Winkey isn't it?
[22:28] <SoItBegins> When I run Windows, Windows uses it as the Winkey, yes.
[22:29] <Unit193> Yeah, that's what I was saying, I thinks it's the win/meta key in Ubuntu
[22:31] <ashams> SoItBegins: would you please check System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts, and see if it has what you're looking for?
[22:32] <SoItBegins> Hang on
[22:33]  * ashams hanging on
[22:33] <SoItBegins> Keyboard Shortcuts doesn't seem to have much, but Keyboard Layouts has something that might be useful.
[22:33] <SoItBegins> Regarding key behaviors...
[22:33] <SoItBegins> (System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts tab)
[22:33] <SoItBegins> Yeah, in 'Keyboard Layout Options', we have
[22:34] <ashams> SoItBegins: Aren't you trying to use the Ctrl key instead of WinKey ?
[22:34] <SoItBegins> No, I'm trying to use the WinKey instead of the Ctrl key.
[22:35] <SoItBegins> So that if an app has the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+V to paste, I can press (WinKey)+V instead.
[22:35] <ashams> Oh! I see
[22:35]  * ashams researching more
[22:40] <ashams> SoItBegins: It takes some time, I'll try asking ppl
[22:41] <SoItBegins> OK, thanks.
[22:41] <jeffreyjones744> i have a problem with a hp laptop which ubuntu 10.04 lts is installed. the laptop will not turn off when you power down. any help
[22:46] <SoItBegins> Ashams: I'm going to be off for just a second - Software updates.
[22:47] <ashams> SoItBegins: ok
[22:51] <SoItBegins> Back.
[22:53] <SoItBegins> Hey, I solved the keys problem!
[22:53] <SoItBegins> The trick is to go into System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts tab, then click Options,
[22:53] <SoItBegins> and then, under 'Alt/Win key behavior', select "Control is mapped to Win keys (and the usual Ctrl keys)".
[22:54] <SoItBegins> And then restart.
[23:00] <ashams> SoItBegins: Great :)
[23:01] <SoItBegins> Thanks for your help
[23:01] <ashams> SoItBegins: Rather thank you for the new info
[23:01] <ashams> :D
[23:02] <SoItBegins> The trick is the restart. I tried messing with that box before and it didn't do anything until I restarted.
[23:02] <ashams> yeah, it's not mentioned anywhere
[23:02] <ashams> they should add such note to the app
[23:03] <ashams> jeffreyjones744: Hi
[23:04] <SoItBegins> ashams: Actually, here's another question for you.
[23:04] <SoItBegins> I have Mac OS X installed on a partition on another drive.
[23:05] <ashams> SoItBegins: yes
[23:05] <SoItBegins> I foolishly forgot to allow others access to my OS X user account, so I'm trying to access my files with little avail.
[23:06] <SoItBegins> Even using sudo just has Ubuntu still say "you're not the owner, you can't change the permissions"; do I need to use the command line to unlock the files, or do I just have to boot into OS X and do it there?
[23:06] <ashams> SoItBegins: I think I khnow how to
[23:07] <ashams> Hit Alt+F2, then type gksu, it'll open a box, type nautilus, enjoy your files
[23:08] <ashams> this will alow you to read use nautilus as a root, you can then change permissions of those files
[23:08] <SoItBegins> Whoa, cool.
[23:09] <SoItBegins> Uh-oh.
[23:09] <ashams> SoItBegins: problem?
[23:10] <SoItBegins> Journaled HFS+ drive = read-only.
[23:10] <SoItBegins> I know how to fix this one, fortunately.
[23:10] <ashams> SoItBegins: What's the trick?
[23:10] <SoItBegins> Boot into OS X, turn journaling off.
[23:11] <SoItBegins> Not optimal, but it works.
[23:42] <SoItBegins> ashams?
[23:42] <SoItBegins> I found a solution to the user thing, too.
[23:43] <SoItBegins> One more elegant than the permissions...
[23:43] <ashams> SoItBegins: Really, what is it?
[23:43] <SoItBegins> I read an article on the web, that said if you change your UID to that of the equivalent Mac OS X user, you gain that user's permissions.
[23:43] <SoItBegins> So I did.
[23:43] <SoItBegins> Full access.
[23:44] <ashams> SoItBegins: Hey, that's so smart
[23:44] <SoItBegins> The only catch is that you have to modify /etc/login for it to accept User#502 as a valid user in the login screen thereafter.
[23:44] <SoItBegins> I think the article was on LifeHacker.
[23:44] <ashams> SoItBegins: I'll find it
[23:44] <SoItBegins> Oh, here we go.
[23:45] <SoItBegins> superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
[23:46] <ashams> SoItBegins: Cooool :D
[23:46] <SoItBegins> Thanks for all your help and getting me started on this!
[23:47] <ashams> SoItBegins: Thanks to you tooooooooo :D


[04:20] <sodarock_laptop> Anyone in Boston yet?
[16:33] <sodarock_laptop> anyone in boston yet?
[16:34] <mypapit> nope
[16:35] <Mithrandir> yes
[16:35] <StevenK> I am, too
[16:49] <sodarock_laptop> Mithrandir: cool, so where are people meeting up at?
[16:54] <Mithrandir> sodarock_laptop: the hotel; hotel at mit.
[16:56] <sodarock_laptop> Mithrandir: thanks.
[16:58] <Mithrandir> third floor
[17:55] <maxi2> anything new with mobile develop environment?
[18:00] <mypapit> eh
[18:00] <maxi2> namely?
[18:00] <mypapit> nah nothing new
[18:01] <mypapit> just fooling around with hildon/python
[18:01] <maxi2> i heard there is team which takes care of mobile kernel?
[18:02] <sodarock_laptop> maxi2: amit is the guy who does most of the kernel work for UME
[18:02] <sodarock_laptop> I believe
[18:02] <sodarock_laptop> Though our guys (moblin.org) do try to push our work to amit
[18:02] <maxi2> sodarock_laptop: thanks. any docs regarding the mobile kernel
[18:03] <sodarock_laptop> http://www.moblin.org/
[18:03] <maxi2> i'll check it out.
[18:03] <sodarock_laptop> http://www.moblin.org/projects_kernel.php though it is hasn't been updated real recently.
[18:03] <sodarock_laptop> So not sure if it is out of date or not.  That isn't my area.
[18:03] <maxi2> i tried to join the team on the launchpad, but it seems no one cares...
[18:04] <sodarock_laptop> I do the moblin image creator stuff
[18:04] <Mithrandir> maxi2: people are accepted into the team after they have contributed code, not before.
[18:04] <sodarock_laptop> Well this is a good channel to make contacts.
[18:04] <Mithrandir> well, code, or other contributions.
[18:04] <sodarock_laptop> I bought them lots of beer and so I got accepted ;)  LOL.
[18:05] <maxi2> wooo... thats quick channel
[18:05] <sodarock_laptop> Mithrandir: this network connection doesn't seem to be all that fast here.
[18:06] <Mithrandir> sodarock_laptop: correct. :-P
[18:06] <sodarock_laptop> I'm looking forward to going and getting a steak at Ruth's Chris steakhouse tonight! :)  Yum Yum.
[18:06] <maxi2> looking at mentoring thing on the launchpad, it seems like there is no much taking place in mobile area.
[18:07] <sodarock_laptop> maxi2: there is a lot going on.  You should subscribe to the ubuntu-mobile mailing list.  Lot of traffic there.  And a lot at the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list.
[18:11] <maxi2> i did subscribe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it seems like 2 mail per day.
[18:12] <sodarock_laptop> Usually I see more than that, but there is a lot of work going on in regards to mobile.
[18:12] <sodarock_laptop> The<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list is probably a bit more busy.
[18:12] <maxi2> i will try it out.
[18:15] <maxi2> done! now bomb me.
[18:19] <maxi2> i think it not a bad idea to have some kinda IDE with emulators to facilitate the development of mobile apps.
[18:26] <sodarock_laptop> maxi2: not sure how much traffic there will be this week, since a few of us are either at UDS or other conferences.  Though our kernel guys (moblin.org) are at the office this week.
[18:28] <maxi2>  sodarock_laptop:  thanks for ur info.
[18:28] <sodarock_laptop> no problem.
[18:28] <maxi2> so u are  based in boston?
[18:29] <sodarock_laptop> No, I'm based in Oregon.  Though I maybe moving to Boston, for work.  Or maybe moving to Europe for work.  But both of those are aways away in time.
[18:31] <maxi2> i am currently europe
[18:35] <sodarock_laptop> maxi2: cool, I want to go over there and work for 1-5 years, and see how I like it.  Not sure which EU country is best for Linux or Python work.
[18:37] <maxi2> europe is definitively for linux. the city administration in munich in germany, for example, is completely switching to linux.
[18:39] <sodarock_laptop> I guess I need to learn German :)  Though my former college roommate, who is German, said I could probably be okay not knowing German to get a job in IT.  I assume I would learn it fast enough if I was living in Germany.
[18:42] <maxi2> well, it depends on where are you going in germany. In big city like munich or berlin etc. you wont have any problem surviving w/o knowing the language.
[18:43] <maxi2> i am not native german myself. ;=)
[18:44] <sodarock_laptop> maxi2: well hopefully you know the language now :)
[18:45] <maxi2> yes. I am now teaching in Uni.
[18:45] <sodarock_laptop> Hopefully not teach German ;)  That was a joke at College, taking English classes from a non-native English speaker.
[18:45] <sodarock_laptop> s/teach/teaching/
[18:46] <maxi2> haha. you right. I am CS guy. so ...