[03:23] <ScottL> ailo_, i think you were right about xfce not having a dock
[03:23] <ScottL> i'm not sure what i thought i saw when i deleted the bottom panel though
[03:24] <ailo_> ScottL, I find that the panel feels a little like a dock when you size it to a dock size.
[03:25] <ailo_> Not like Gnome panel, where you can place things where you want
[03:25] <ailo_> But, you can get around that by adding spaces
[03:26] <ailo_> I used to use the bottom panel as a dock, with autohide
[03:26] <ailo_> But, I remember it was a little slow hiding
[03:29] <ailo_> ScottL, I was about to do CPU testing comparing -generic and -lowlatency. The reason why I stopped was that -generic had become useless. This was at the time I was submitting results to the realtime wiki page
[03:31] <ailo_> ScottL, I could try doing that again. I have a special puredata patch to do that
[03:32] <ailo_> ScottL, I'd rather we didn't do anything too complicated when doing these comparative tests.
[03:32] <ailo_> ScottL, We could do another round of different tests later, if there is an interest for it
[05:05] <Kokito> howdy
[10:54] <quadrispro> ScottL, http://people.debian.org/~alessio/ladish/welcome_to_debian_ladish.png :)
[12:58] <ScottL> wow, that is awesome about ladish....if this hits for 11.10 this will help make 11.10 quite the release with everything else going on :)
[13:01] <ScottL> oh, and i still need to get kokito screenshots
[14:37] <scott-work> ailo_: gnome3 cheat sheet:  https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
[14:39] <scott-work> i found the screencast recordings particularly interesting as it defaults to a .webm file
[23:59] <Kokito> howdy


[01:02] <rsalveti> kirkland: did you have time to look at the merge proposal? or just decided to wait until the qemu next release?
[01:03] <hallyn> rsalveti: oh no!  kirkland is out today and tomorrow
[01:03] <hallyn> mathiaz: can you look at a merge proposal ^ ?
[01:03] <rsalveti> oh :-)
[01:04] <hallyn> (AFAI am concerned i've greenlighted it)
[01:07] <kirkland> rsalveti: i'll get it
[01:07] <kirkland> rsalveti: haven't yet
[01:08] <kirkland> rsalveti: could you send me an email about it?
[01:08] <rsalveti> kirkland: sure, thanks :-)
[04:09] <judgen> I have asked in #ubuntu but people does not seem to know.. but i want the text information at boot so i can see what is going wrong. nosplash in grub does not seem to do the trick. Any suggestions?
[04:09] <judgen> it was easier before when i could just purge usplash
[04:12] <StevenK> judgen: Rremove 'quiet' from the boot options
[04:12] <judgen> StevenK, ok, i will try that. Thanks
[04:13] <judgen> i also want my non graphics loaded grub selector (preferably monochrome) would you happen to know how to do that too?
[04:14] <StevenK> Not off hand, no, sorry
[04:16] <RAOF>  /etc/default/grub is where you want to look.
[04:17] <judgen> StevenK, i found it "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" is supposed to be added...
[04:17] <judgen> I really dislike how my grub.cfg is destrouyed every time the kernel is updated.
[04:18] <judgen> i am thinking of making it unwritable, even by root.
[04:19] <judgen> by putting grub on an sd card with hardware R/W protection
[04:21] <StevenK> judgen: It's re-written, yes, but there are ways of editting it so your changes are preserved.
[04:21] <judgen> StevenK, how do i set it to load the last instance as defaul ALWAYS
[04:21] <judgen> =D
[04:22] <judgen> and as the number of installed kernels increase, i can not use numbers as i used to in menu.lst
[04:23] <StevenK> judgen: To be honest, I use the default grub config, and the latest kernel appears at the top of the list, which suits me fine
[04:23] <judgen> or can i disable the automatic generation of grub.cfg and just edit it manually (like i do now, and have to redo every time i update)
[04:23] <judgen> I have 4 OS'es on the system, and i would like BSD to be deafult.
[04:26] <judgen> ubuntu, BeOS/Haiku and QNX is booted as secondary system.
[04:26] <judgen> oh well, this will have to wait untill tomorrow, as it is 05:26 here now and i really need some sleep.
[07:38] <pitti> Good morning
[07:38] <nzmm_> good evening :)
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <mvo> hey dholbach
[07:49] <ttx> Hm, PPAs are slow nowadays. Published: 23 hours ago / Build estimated start in 17 hours
[07:49] <dholbach> hiya mvo
[07:49] <ttx> that kind of delay makes it difficult to insert in any kind of efficient workflow
[07:49] <micahg> ttx: stuff uploaded today won't get built until Sunday unless they return the rest of the PPA builders
[07:49] <ttx> micahg: "they" ?
[07:50] <micahg> ttx: whoever took them :)
[07:50] <ttx> After the laptop thief, here comes the PPA builder thief.
[07:59]  * pitti NEWs linux-meta to make CDs buildable again
[08:04] <micahg> pitti: when SRUing a newer version of an app that's been broken out into new packages, is it better to undo that for the SRU?
[08:05] <diwic> Is there a way to automatically subscribe to all bugs you comment on in LP?
[08:05] <diwic> or do I have to check that checkbox all the time?
[08:08] <pitti> micahg: yes, we avoid new packages in SRUs
[08:08] <micahg> pitti: k, will keep in mind, thanks
[09:29] <happyaron> could somebody have a look at Bug 611224 ?
[09:46] <geser> any main sponsor free for sponsoring bug #607448?
[09:51] <mvo> geser: I can do that for you
[09:51] <geser> mvo: thanks
[14:13] <ogra> jdstrand, can you let ubuntu-netbook-efl-default-settings out of NEW please
[14:43] <maxb> Hi, please can I have a give-back on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/1.6.12dfsg-1ubuntu1/+build/1853960 - I would like to take advantage of the currently empty sparc buildqueue to test whether the failure is intermittent
[14:44] <pitti> maxb: done
[14:44] <maxb> thanks
[14:44] <StevenK> pitti is too fast ...
[14:44] <StevenK> I need a neural link to Launchpad, like pitti has ...
[14:45] <pitti> StevenK: how can you not have one? you are writing the stuff now :)
[14:46]  * StevenK blames lag.
[14:46] <StevenK> Yes, that will do ....
[14:51] <ScottK> pitti: Would you please rescore xine-lib (again) - should work this time.
[14:52] <pitti> ScottK: doing
[14:52] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:59] <smoser> Anyone know where netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz comes from on an ISO ?
[15:10] <soren> smoser: debian-installer somewhere, I believe.
[15:49] <SpamapS> any moderators for ubuntu-devel available?
[15:49] <SpamapS> I sent a message yesterday, need it to be approved
[16:02] <mterry> Lutin, ping about your netbook-launcher-efl patches
[16:13] <SpamapS> ccheney: ping?
[16:13] <ccheney> SpamapS, hi
[16:14] <SpamapS> ccheney: so, I need my gearman-interface package sponsored into debian.. do you know anybody who could help me with that?
[16:14] <SpamapS> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=gearman-interface
[16:14]  * ccheney takes a look
[16:15] <ccheney> SpamapS, i can take a look quick and see if it looks sane and upload it if so
[16:15] <ccheney> SpamapS, sorry i was out sick tue-thu this week
[16:15] <SpamapS> ccheney: that would be amazingly amazing. :)
[16:15] <SpamapS> ccheney: you uploading, not you being sick. You're well now I hope?
[16:17] <ccheney> heh, yea much better today, they gave me antibiotics and some other things to see if it would help and it appears to have worked
[16:18]  * ccheney is setting up a sid chroot and then will do the build and check it out before uploading :)
[16:21] <SpamapS> ccheney: sweet.. I do see actually, that there are two changes I didn't put into that upload.. both are minor source package things (a copyright addition, and README.source) ..
[16:22] <ccheney> SpamapS, email me a debdiff of the changes and i can add them before upload
[16:24] <SpamapS> ScottK: note, I'm tasking ccheney with the upload for now because the group has been so slow to respond. Hopefully DPMT can take it over in the future.
[16:27] <ScottK> SpamapS: Sure.
[16:28] <mterry> asac, ping about new EFL stack
[16:28] <SpamapS> ccheney: ok, debdiff sent
[16:29] <ccheney> ok
[16:30] <Lutin> mterry: pong
[16:30] <mterry> Lutin, hi :)  Where can I grab the latest EFL stack to compile/test against?
[16:32] <Lutin> mterry: actually, my patch was only partial, I had some time yesterday to make a complete patch. you can find it here: http://people.dunnewind.net/lutin/files/0001-Update-Netbook-launcher-efl-to-make-it-work-with-the.patch
[16:32] <Lutin> mterry: then, you can just grab the packages from debian unstable, they install just fine on ubuntu
[16:33] <mterry> Lutin, ah.  OK will do so
[16:35] <Lutin> mterry: would you run into any unexpected into, please let me know. I compile and tested it yesterday, seemed to work fine, but I did'nt check extensively
[16:35] <mterry> Lutin, k
[16:35] <Lutin> s/into/issue
[17:15] <mterry> Lutin, I get "ERR:elementary elm_win.c:541 elm_win_add() Cannot create window." when running n-l-e after patch and debian stack
[17:17] <Lutin> mterry: is that the only error ?
[18:14] <SpamapS> mathiaz: ping!
[18:24] <hallyn> man, that's a ping<BANG>
[18:24] <hallyn> mathiaz is probably hiding now
[18:26] <SpamapS> one ping only
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> !ping
[18:36] <mathiaz> SpamapS: o/
[18:36] <SpamapS> mathiaz: Updated the ceph merge proposal
[18:37] <mathiaz> SpamapS: cool thanks
[18:40] <wcomnisky> hi! can i read the serial number of my HD using dbus-send?
[18:42] <SpamapS> mathiaz: UUGGH
[18:42] <SpamapS> mathiaz: it looks like the tarball we were using as "0.21" was not "0.21"
[18:42] <mathiaz> SpamapS: that's anooying
[18:43] <SpamapS> mathiaz: very, there are a number of source changes .. 0.21 wasn't actually official released until yesterday, which I just figured out...
[18:44] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hm - ok. Just update the branch then.
[18:44] <SpamapS> mathiaz: thats what I'm doing.. just trying to be careful. :)
[18:48] <SpamapS> mathiaz: the cavalier attitude that the ceph project has toward licensing bothers me somewhat.. I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.
[19:25] <mterry> asac, Lutin: n-l-e 0.3.2 released
[19:28] <superm1> kees, by chance did you run into any problems when you upgraded to lucid with your sbuild/schroot setup?
[19:29] <superm1> kees, i just jumped hardy->lucid on my build box, and for some reason every invocation of schroot is giving me "E: default: Chroot not found"
[19:37] <sda> hi all
[19:39] <sda> i would like help for ubuntu dev, but i don't know my level and what i can or cannot do. help
[19:40] <SpamapS> sda: There are a number of wiki pages that may be helpful.. one moment..
[19:41] <SpamapS> sda: for server, there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved
[19:43] <SpamapS> sda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu   that one is good too
[19:43] <SpamapS> !contribute
[21:10] <Lutin> mterry: neat
[21:12] <facundobatista> Hello everybody!
[21:13] <facundobatista> I have this project, magicicada (https://launchpad.net/magicicada) that is in Universe for Maverick
[21:14] <facundobatista> Elliot Murphy did the first work to get it uploaded
[21:14] <facundobatista> yesterday I released 0.1.3 of it, and I'm following Elliot's instructions that say
[21:14] <facundobatista>     * Prepare the source package and ask for a sponsor.
[21:14] <facundobatista> I have the source package
[21:14] <facundobatista> is this a good place to ask for a sponsor?
[21:14] <facundobatista> (thanks!)
[21:16] <mterry> facundobatista, I'm guessing that Elliot meant file a bug with a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-sponsor?  Let me find wiki documentation
[21:16] <facundobatista> mterry, thanks!
[21:18] <mterry> facundobatista, at what level of ubuntu development are you comfortable?  You say you have a source package, but what does that mean to you?  A tarball for magicicada or a new version of the ubuntu source package that uses that tarball?
[21:20] <mterry> facundobatista, I believe this will help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate
[21:21] <facundobatista> mterry, I'm just learning, but I branched lp:ubuntu/magicicada , merged my own upstream new release, fixed the changelog, and prepared magicicada_0.1.3-0ubuntu1* files (.diff.gz, .dsc, _source.build, and _source.changes)
[21:23] <mterry> facundobatista, ah...  You're using the fancy new bzr method.  OK.  So you have two options.  Prepare an old-school debdiff and follow the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[21:24] <mterry> facundobatista, or, push your changes to lp:~USER/ubuntu/maverick/magicicada/0.1.3-update and point to that instead of uploading a debdiff (but still do the other sponsorship steps)
[21:24] <mterry> facundobatista, I can review when you've filed, if you do it within the next hour or so
[21:25] <facundobatista> mterry, will do, thanks
[21:27] <mterry> facundobatista, ping me when filed  :)
[21:33] <facundobatista> mterry, I think I did all the necessary steps, the bug is #611848
[21:34] <facundobatista> mterry, please let me know if I should have done anything different (even if it's good enough like this, maybe I could do something to make you work less)
[21:34] <facundobatista> mterry, thanks!
[21:38] <ari-tczew> mterry: reffering to bug 461987 your patch will be useless
[21:51] <mterry> facundobatista, a little tip.  if you type "bug XXXXX" like "bug 611848", ubottu will make a nice link
[21:52] <mterry> facundobatista, one thing: don't assign to the sponsors team, subscribe them
[21:53] <facundobatista> mterry, oh, ok, thanks
[21:57] <facundobatista> mterry, so, here ends my "request for sponsorship"? should I do something else? just let me know! thanks!
[21:58] <mterry> facundobatista, yeah, I take it from here.  Normally you wouldn't need to ping anyone on IRC or anything.  subscribing ubuntu-sponsors puts it in the sponsorship queue.  If it's urgent or you know someone who wants to sponsor it, feel free to ping someone on IRC
[21:58] <facundobatista> mterry, ok, thank you very much for the help!
[22:11] <mterry> facundobatista, one last tip.  In your changelog, if you put the string  "LP: #XXXXXX" in your message, Launchpad will automatically mark the bug fix committed when I push it.  I did it for you this time, and it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg thing since you often do the changelog entry before you file, but it's nice to have
[22:13] <highvoltage> sabdfl: nice, your blog entry got slashdotted
[22:13] <ion> Nothing prevents one from editing the changelog entry when there is a bug number. :-)
[22:14] <mterry> ion, yar, agreed  :)
[22:14]  * micahg hand edits the debdiff sometimes before adding to LP
[22:14] <ion> Why hand edit a diff?
[22:17] <mterry> facundobatista, there ya go: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/magicicada/0.1.3-0ubuntu1  Thanks for helping make Ubuntu (One) rock!  :)
[22:17] <micahg> ion: faster than regenerating the whole debdiff after the patch is good
[22:17] <micahg> ion: just to add (LP: #XXXXXX) :)
[22:18] <ion> One can regenerate it with a single command, and you’ll have the changelog change nicely in the version history. :-) And one might want/need to edit the patch further anyway.
[22:19] <micahg> sure
[22:19] <mterry> facundobatista, oh, and one other thing I noticed.   You filed the sponsorship bug against the whole of ubuntu.  But you should have filed it against the magicicada package *in* ubuntu:   http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/magicicada/+filebug
[22:20] <facundobatista> mterry, thanks! taking note of all these details
[22:24] <micahg> facundobatista: you can also run 'ubuntu-bug PKGNAME' to take you straight to the proper filebug page
[23:54] <sabdfl> highvoltage: that will draw in the opinions, then :-)


[00:20] <ScottK> Going straight to install works in the new KNE ISO.
[00:26] <ScottK> Confirmed the slider bar is fixed too.
[01:59] <shtylman> ScottK: no, I just got home
[01:59] <shtylman> ...ok...maybe it did get fixed :)
[02:21] <ScottK> shtylman: The slider bar is fixed.
[02:44] <ScottK> We have Kubuntu Netbook #3 in the house now (eldest's birthday present).
[02:49] <shtylman> ScottK: congrats
[02:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:49] <ScottK> It arrived today, so just in time for RC ISO testing.
[02:49] <shtylman> haha
[02:49] <shtylman> make/model?
[02:53] <ScottK> HP mini something
[02:53] <shtylman> heh
[02:53] <ScottK> It's the second one of those we got.
[02:53] <shtylman> cool
[02:53] <shtylman> like em?
[02:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:54] <ScottK> My Dell mini 10v has a touchpad that well make you want to throw it out a window.
[02:54] <shtylman> hahah
[02:54] <ScottK> The HP is much nicer.  Also has a drive light and a hardware airplane mode switch.
[02:55] <shtylman> nice
[02:57] <jjesse-netbook> yay for netbooks
[02:58] <jjesse-netbook> i like to do demos for work on mine with the VMs in the cloud :)
[03:38] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:38] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook_: Got broadcom working?
[03:38] <ScottK> All three of mine are broadcom and wireless is good.
[03:40] <jjesse-netbook_> ScottK: yes i did i posted to the list i think didnt i
[03:40] <ScottK> I think you did.
[03:41] <ScottK> I must confess my broadcom systems with their crap proprietary drivers have better wifi than my supposedly superior Intell system with all FOSS stuff.
[03:42] <shtylman> sshhh...don't say that :)
[03:43] <jjesse-netbook_> my internet is way slow tonight, wonder what e3lse im downloading on a nother machine :)
[03:43] <jjesse-netbook_> just configured ubuntu-one on my netbook, wish there was a kde version and it was cross platform like dropbox
[03:45] <ScottK> I have found a suspect for why my laptop won't turn the display on when I open the lid.
[03:45] <ScottK> Rebuilding -workspace now.
[03:45] <ScottK> If this fixes it, it'll be the last of my personal "WTF, this will drive me nuts if it isn't fixed before release" issues.
[03:46] <jjesse-netbook_> yay for solving those
[03:46] <jjesse-netbook_> my netbook is working really good these days
[08:30]  * Riddell cracks on with dvd i386 testing
[08:31] <Riddell> agateau: test report forwarded
[08:31] <agateau> Riddell: ok, will read in a few minutes
[08:31] <agateau> Riddell: got feedback from wstephenson,
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: he agrees with the idea, but proposed a different patch
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: will create a PPA for it today
[08:38] <Sput> ScottK: my intel wifi works flawlessly :)
[09:48]  * brot can help with testing :)
[09:58]  * asraniel is downloading the i386 live cd
[10:01]  * davmor2 is downloading all the iso's and has been for a while now speed up t'interweb
[10:03]  * apachelogger goes blogging :P
[10:04]  * tsimpson wonders why everyone is /me'ing
[10:05]  * apachelogger thinks that it might be me-day again
[10:05]  * apachelogger asks davmor2 to tell brot how to help with testing
[10:06] <davmor2> brot: Hello
[10:06]  * asraniel thinks, "noooo, the me day is over"
[10:10] <davmor2> brot: to get involved goto http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com  sign up to the tracker.  Pick the test you want to do, do it mark if it passed or failed and add any bug numbers.
[10:11] <davmor2> brot: also the link to the iso you need to test is on the tracker too so you test the right one :)
[10:11] <davmor2> hope that helps
[11:29] <brot> davmor2: yeah, i am downloading the iso right now :)
[11:29] <davmor2> brot: Cool :)
[11:29] <brot> just had to get on the bus to drive from university to my home.
[11:37] <Riddell> brot: which ISO?
[11:37] <brot> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20091020.2/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[11:38] <Riddell> groovy
[11:42] <brot> Do i need to give additional comments (like, hardware i used ? )
[12:27] <brot> somehow the "Live Session Persistence" ( see http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession ) does not work. the "label" means "e2label /dev/sda1 casper-rw" right?
[12:50] <steveire> apachelogger: I like the help files idea.
[13:35] <agateau> Riddell: I am about to create a new deb for networkmanager,
[13:36] <agateau> I generated images for the wireless icons because they were unreadable and some sizes were missing,
[13:36] <agateau> resulting in a crappy tooltip
[13:36] <agateau> can I integrate these images as a plain patch?
[13:36] <agateau> (or is it a bad idea to do that this late in the schedule anyway)
[13:38] <Riddell> agateau: you can't include images in a normal patch, you need to do fiddly things with uuencode
[13:38] <Riddell> and it's probably not a good idea this late anyway
[13:38] <agateau> mmm... was afraid of something like that
[13:39] <agateau> too bad, you can hardly read the number on the tray icon
[13:39] <agateau> and the tooltip really looks blocky
[13:39] <Riddell> agateau: a worse icon bug is the wired connection which has an unplugged icon for a connected network
[13:40] <agateau> Riddell: oh
[13:40] <agateau> Riddell: do you want me to have a look at it?
[13:40] <Riddell> agateau: if you're at a lose end for things to do sure :)
[13:41] <Riddell> agateau: I think it's because the background icon doesn't change between unconnected and connected use, it just gets the wee bottom-left tick drawn over it
[13:41] <Riddell> which is too small for most people to notice
[13:41] <agateau> Riddell: I see
[13:42] <Riddell> agateau: if you want to make packages with binary changes in it, the easiest way is probably just to make your own .orig.tar.gz so it's 0.9~svn1029786+ag1-0ubuntu1 or similar
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[13:42] <Riddell> or you can get me to do it but I'm busy testing ISOs and upgrades today
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: I'll try to figure out how to do it
[13:47] <smarter> agateau: +1 for fixing that, the systray icon really is unreadable atm
[13:48] <smarter> I didn't even notice it was supposed to display a number :P
[13:48] <agateau> smarter: hehe
[13:48] <agateau> smarter: I replaced the number with a gauge
[13:49] <agateau> smarter: http://imagebin.ca/view/MIrQ8-i2.html
[13:50] <agateau> it is still blurry, but I am afraid this is because of the systray icon
[13:50] <smarter> looks good, but the old KNM icon is still better :P
[13:50] <agateau> smarter: hehe, I am not that much of an artist
[13:52] <smarter> we should try to get the knm devs to bring that one back: http://rajiva.amikom.ac.id/gambar/kaskus/knetworkmanager/knetwork_manager_2.png
[13:53] <Riddell> also the systray icon will probably be replaced by a plasmoid again at some point so no point spending too long on it
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: won't happen for Lucid though
[13:58] <Riddell> agateau: says wstephenson?
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: err. won't happen for Karmic
[13:59] <agateau> sorry
[13:59] <Riddell> easy mistake to make :)
[14:07] <smarter> btw, any idea if we're going LTS this time?
[14:12] <davmor2> ScottK: Wubi's working Just going to try unr's and kne's wish me luck :)
[14:15] <Riddell> smarter: LTS isn't for another six months, have patience
[14:16] <smarter> I meant Lucid when I said "this time" ;)
[14:21] <agateau> Riddell: to create my new orig.tar.gz i must: untar the actual orig, put my files in the folder, tar the folder under the new name, update debian/changelog
[14:21] <agateau> Riddell: do I miss something?
[14:22] <agateau> Riddell: mmm I probably need to do something with  the .dsc and .diff.gz as well
[14:24] <Riddell> agateau: just tar up the sources, not including the debian/ directory
[14:25] <Riddell> make sure it has the correct name  plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1029786+ag1.orig.tar.gz
[14:25] <Riddell> add in the debian/ directory
[14:25] <davmor2> Riddell: will there be a KDE instance of LTS for lucid?
[14:25] <Riddell> running    debuild -S   will create the .dsc and .diff.gz
[14:25] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, it's called Kubuntu
[14:25] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:26] <davmor2> Riddell: I meant will there be an actual lts release this time?
[14:26] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, in six months time
[14:26] <davmor2> Cool
[14:29] <pgquiles> where's the source for printer-applet-kde ?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> pgquiles: it's in kdeutils, I believe
[14:31] <pgquiles> JontheEchidna: you mean it's developed in KDE's svn, not in a bzr repo in Launchpad?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:31] <pgquiles> found, thank you
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> well actually it hasn't been touched by anyone for a while, but there haven't really been any issues with it either
[14:52] <Riddell> pleae eye over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: "Welcome to Kubuntu 9.04"
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I can fix that
[14:57] <davmor2> Riddell: Is the right adept-manager in the repos now and no longer in proposed?
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> it got approved this morning I believe
[15:00] <Riddell> davmor2: it's in -updates
[15:06] <jussi01> arrgh, appot-kde is so full of fail...
[15:07] <davmor2> Riddell: just double checking that you didn't need to enable propased first :)
[15:07] <davmor2> proposed even
[15:08] <jussi01> is there a plan to fix the like 1 million apport windows that come up when several apps have crashed? ie. condense them into 1?
[15:11] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell: wubi on kne only works :D
[15:26] <mcas> hi is anyone doing some iso tests?
[15:27] <mcas> i would start kubuntu desktop i386 manual partitioning if no one else did
[15:42] <agateau> Riddell: new knetworkmanager package in my ppa,
[15:43] <agateau> this one includes updated ascii wep keys after discussion with wstephenson,
[15:43] <agateau> and the new wireless icons
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> most of synaptic's bulk comes from libgnome-perl2, used for the GTK debconf frontend, and software-properties-gtk
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> otherwise synaptic doesn't depend on gnome
[16:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: 99%
[16:18] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: ... download complete.
[16:21] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: Error occured after download was complete. Is this related to the fact that the update is startet out of chroot?
[16:22] <PedroLeKoi> Riddell: How ever: Right now I am downloading Kubuntu 8.04 again, will write another CD and try that way again. Hopes are low, so.
[17:34] <agateau> Riddell: just uploaded another version of knetworkmanager, which uses a different icon for activated wired connection
[17:34] <agateau> for some reason it does not show up yet on LP though
[17:34] <agateau> have to go now
[17:34] <Riddell> bye
[17:34] <Riddell> aww
[17:36] <steveire> Riddell: How do I enable ctrl + alt backspace again?
[17:38] <debfx> steveire: Regional & language -> Keyboard Layout -> Advanced
[17:39] <steveire> Special keya handled in server?
[17:39] <steveire> keys*
[17:40] <debfx> Key sequence to kill the X server
[17:41] <steveire> I don't see that in xkb opions
[17:41] <debfx> are you using jaunty?
[17:41] <steveire> Yes
[17:42] <debfx> oh then you can use dontzap
[17:43] <steveire> Got a command line then?
[17:43] <debfx> dontzap -d
[17:43] <m4v> or use alt+print+k which has more or less the same effect
[17:44] <steveire> I ran sudo dontzap -d and I still can't restart it
[17:44] <m4v> it worked
[17:44] <debfx> ^^
[17:46] <steveire> alt print k works though
[17:47] <debfx> now ctrl+alt+backspace should also work
[17:47] <steveire> My second screen still doesn't work though.
[17:47] <steveire> And ctrl alt backspace still does not work
[17:49] <m4v> then you should try editing the xorg.conf by hand, but I don't remember the syntax
[17:49] <m4v> dontzap -d should have worked though :/
[17:50] <steveire> I do have dontzap False in my xorg.conf
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> I think that should be dontzap True
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe not
[17:51] <steveire> JontheEchidna: Not according to dontzap --help
[17:51] <m4v> it shouldn't be false? is a double negative...
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> bah, confusing option name
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> anyways, did you restart X since you modified the option?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> log out -> alt + e
[18:00] <ScottK> Also no dontzap in Karmic.
[18:00] <ScottK> It doesn't work anymore.
[18:01] <debfx> he's using jaunty
[18:03] <ScottK> Oh
[18:03] <ScottK> debfx: BTW, since the Qt patch is in qtcopy, I think your brightness stuff can go ahead to go in kde svn.
[18:11] <debfx> ScottK: ok, though I'll wait a bit to see if I fixed a bug that was reported yesterday
[18:19] <steveire> I'm still having an issue with dual screens. The other screen works, but all I get is a X mouse cursor. I can't actually use it.
[18:19] <steveire> Sound familiar?
[18:26] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/110255/ Does this mean anything to people who understand X?
[18:26] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/110255/
[18:28] <ScottK> steveire: You might ask on #ubuntu-x if you want people that understand X.
[18:28] <steveire> I'll try. Thanks.
[18:30] <firephoto> "wep 40/128-bit key" "wep 128-bit passphrase" are these two options in NM frontend what's causing problems? 128 key takes a password. 128 passphrase doesn't take a passphrase.
[18:32] <txwikinger> http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Marcel-Gagne-Orbiting-Planet-buntu/Karmic-Koala-Ubuntu-Gets-The-K
[18:32]  * txwikinger wonders if he should quiz Marcel about that on Friday
[18:32] <ScottK> Yeah, Riddell linked to that yesterday.
[18:58] <ScottK> Riddell: apachelogger says there's an untranslated string in the brightness OSD patch that just got uploaded.  I think this is a very bad idea.
[19:42] <markey> Riddell: plasma just crashed again
[19:42] <markey> I have a good backtrace now:
[19:42] <markey> http://pastebin.com/m600db609
[20:10] <ScottK> debfx: How would you feel about dropping the word "Brightness" from your patch (and the monitor icon too maybe) so we don't break translations with this change?
[20:27] <debfx> ScottK: yeah I guess we should drop that string but the icon should stay so it's still distinguishable from the audio volume OSD
[20:28] <ScottK> debfx: We don't have an icon for the volume OSD.  I really don't think it's needed since it's in direct response to a user pushing buttons.
[20:28] <nookie^> Riddell: i didnt yet had time to make an banner for final release but it will be done in time
[20:28] <ScottK> The fact that they are pushing the brightness button should be sufficient clue.
[20:47] <Tscheesy_> re *updating* ..slow..
[20:48] <Tscheesy_> ups - wrong chan
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> markey: looks like KDE bug 209004
[21:15] <markey> JontheEchidna: indeed
[21:15] <markey> same backtrace
[21:16] <markey> sigh, plasma's single process design...
[21:16] <markey> no good
[21:19] <neversfelde> was there a change to the brightness control lately?
[21:20] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:22] <neversfelde> something is broken with it here on my ideapad, the screen is dark sometimes and I have to change it back manually
[21:26] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^
[21:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: There was also a brightness related change on restore in powerdevil for 4.3.2.
[21:27] <neversfelde> ScottK: I haven't discovered the situation which causes the screen to be dark, yet. I will watch this.
[21:28] <ScottK> neversfelde: debfx got a brightness related change into -workspace yesterday or so and so he might have an idea
[21:28] <neversfelde> ok
[21:56] <debfx> neversfelde: when does this happen?
[21:56] <neversfelde> debfx: I am not sure, will try to find it out next time it happens
[22:00] <ScottK> What's the package name for our version of the message indicator?
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> plasma-widget-messageindicator
[22:02] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> yw
[22:09] <debfx> ScottK: I still think it's a bit odd to have exactly the same OSD for volume and brightness change
[22:10] <ScottK> debfx: At this point the most minimal change we can make is the best.
[22:10] <ScottK> I don't think it's going to be confusing
[22:11] <ScottK> debfx: Also if it's the same we could make the case it's not a U/I freeze breaker, since it's not new U/I, just a different reason for the same U/I
[22:11] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:19] <debfx> ScottK: ok, so I should switch to the kmix osd code?
[22:21] <ScottK> debfx: I think it's essential to lose the untranslated string.  The rest is negotiable.  Would switching to the kmix OSD code allow you to avoid needing the Qt patch?
[22:23] <debfx> ScottK: no, the Qt patch has nothing to do with the OSD
[22:23] <ScottK> OK.  That would have been nice too
[22:24] <ScottK> I think must have no untranslated text and I don't like the icon, I think it's too intrusive.  Beyond that, I don't care much


 https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/02/14/the-nextcloud-box-at-mwc/
 Nextcloud+ Ubuntu core + raspi
 Yeppp
 +1gb piDrive
 I picked up two Google Wifi devices.  But I can't use them.  You can only do mesh network mode if Google is in control of your DHCP...  NAT mode.  I run Bridged mode because Google sucks at making highly customizable routers and I have my own network security appliance.
 Long story short, is anyone interested in a Google Wifi for $99?
 @AdamOutler, Me me me
 I will hold on to it for you.  When do you want to meet up?
 Better yet, when's the next sushi meet up
 @AdamOutler, Just let me know when you are free
 @govatent, It needs to be soon
 @KMyers keep in mind you have access to the meetup as well
 If you'd like I could bring it to Sushi on Saturday
 Or, you can stop by my house while I'm at work and I can either have my wife give it to you or open the garage so you can pick it up or the front door or
 If you can make it to my house at 7 you can pick it up then
 I will let you know tomorrow, working from home today. I definitely want them.
 Just one.  I was able to make use of one
 Sorry, I meant to say I want it
 Is Amazon down for any of you?
 Or just running real slow
 Haven't checked
 Seems to be back
 My linode is down atm
[16:46] <maxolasersquad> ahoneybun: Are you on the Atlanta location too?
 Samsung 34" WQHD Curved LED-Lit Monitor - Woot … http://www.woot.com/offers/samsung-34-wqhd-curved-led-lit-monitor-39
 Just nabbed this.  Normally $1000
 Refurb
 I used Amazon login.   Hopefully their latest fix will stick. It seems like they've been having a lot of issues over the last year.
 Yea they restarted my nodr
 Yesterday
 How do you guys feel about camping.
 Nerd style.
 Only if you check me for ticks
 Done http://www.ems.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-vestis-master-catalog/default/dw90053b25/product/images/1308/398/1308398/1308398_408_main.jpg
 Seriously though, what's the idea?
 Montana, we used to go camping all the time. What does NERD Style mean?
 I grew up in Montana
 I've been researching hiking stuff, I'm intrigued with the idea of going out in the middle of nowhere and still computering.
 Batteries, solar chargers, fire chargers.
 You just need a hot spot
 Teensy little stove
 you don't need
 Make a fire. Kill a fish. Put it on the Fire.
 I've never done these things.
 We can pull ants out from under a log.
 That's too hardcore for me.
 I want to sit in a comfortable tent stretched out with a laptop
 working on some code or something
 solar panels across the tent
 You should do it with clothes that we make. We'll start in the woods naked
 Are you russian
 I don't want to play real world minecraft
 xD
 given nothing but a computer, it's man against Wild
 I need at least solar panels batteries, and a fire-powered usb charger, it exists
 They say necessity is the mother of all invention. Maybe we'll develop replicators?
 gosh
 Check this out http://stowerenergy.com/product/flamestower/
 You don't have to be to elaborate with what you bring. You can find cooking utensils in the woods from sticks. Also you can heat up cans of food by just setting the nearest fire. The biggest thing is to make a fire
 I'm down. I can get a tent a sleeping bag and some Electronics. I also have a huge huge battery app on an Amazon 100,000 plus milliamp hours
 I bought on Amazon*
 Something else I've done, car camping. If you can find a place to set up a fire and bring your car nearby, you have everything you need right there.
 Ooh I haven't thought of that
 I thought it would be a neat idea to get a bunch of nerds together in the wilderness and code or something xP just an idea for the moment
 Or at the very least a KOA
 I thought I mentioned something like this towards the end of last year
 Might've- I've only been thinking about it recently because it cascaded to me thinking about all the times I missed the train in miami and started planning out a nerd survival bag
 What did you have in mind?
 also you guys decked out the ubuntu tent
 everyone had batteries and laptops
 I am in!
 <3
 May as well go to burning man
 Where's that
 Not in florida
 Lol, I was making a joke
 How's this for a camping laptop? https://www.amazon.com/Chromebook-C202SA-YS02-Ruggedized-Resistant-Celeron/dp/B01DBGVB7K
 @RazPi, That is not a bad option.
 I'm down for a Saturday night.  Provided we ensure our survival with sushi or similar, first.
 Of course I would be bringing the family.
 Koa sounds good
 Oh I just wanted to feel it out first, I can't do anything too soon yet
 In leiu of recent revelations, we should organize an event for Sushi on Saturday.  keith?
 I need sushi as well. I can't do camping this weekend as I have no supplies. Would need to get a few things. Maybe a March event
 Anyone up for Sushi this weekend aside from Adam
 I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it this weekend but hopefully catch the next one
 Absolutely
 Fine, exclude me then.
 🤣


[07:48] <ziroday> Hi, can I access launchpad or the wiki etc with my openid account? Or only through the launchpad openid?
[12:50] <SiDi> hello
[12:50] <SiDi> newz2000: for the start.ubuntu.com, unless we wanna have headaches, there is a simple workaround
[12:51] <SiDi> you can just put the size of the text input to 37/38 instead of 40 for when it's a little too big
[12:54] <SiDi2> having wifi trouble :d
[12:54] <SiDi2> newz2000: there alsoo are a few syntax errors in the page
[12:54] <SiDi2> missing / at the end of input and meta
[12:54] <SiDi2> (and yeh, thats dramatical :D)
[15:19] <SiDi> Hello
[15:23] <newz2000> hey SiDi
[15:23] <newz2000> Thanks for your work on the start page, I'll give it a try.
[15:23] <SiDi> Hello
[15:24] <SiDi> Well, if you ask me early enough for karmic, i can code you a page in proper and completely flexible (em-based widths/heights) css, i did it for my portfolio and it really works well.
[15:25] <newz2000> Yes, I've done that too, the problem is never the HTML
[15:25] <newz2000> that is easy
[15:25] <newz2000> the trick is making graphics that work with flexible widths
[15:25] <SiDi> the problem here is directly related to the html ;)
[15:26] <SiDi> the size element of a text input should almost never be used, as it implicitely fixes an min-width
[15:26] <SiDi> which was too large, in our case
[15:30] <newz2000> regarding the xhtml, it is actually finished in the trunk, waiting for translation updates to go live
[15:30] <newz2000> s/finished/fixed
[20:01] <SiDi> Hello
[20:04] <newz2000> Salut
[20:11] <SiDi> Salut newz2000 , ça va ? :P
[20:11]  * newz2000 took three years of French in school and now can only say "hello" and count to 10
[20:11] <SiDi> hehe :)
[20:11] <newz2000> use it or lose it they say
[20:12] <SiDi> Exactly
[20:12] <SiDi> and i'm losing my spanish little by little
[20:12] <SiDi> (which sucks, for someone of spanish origin :P)
[20:12] <SiDi> UDS will be a good training ! :)
[20:12] <newz2000> yeah
[20:12] <newz2000> I won't be there for UDS but will a week prior for canonical meetings
[20:12] <SiDi> i will *try* to be there
[20:13] <newz2000> SiDi: where are you located currently?
[20:13] <SiDi> still have to convince a few persons that my networks orals can be postponed at uni
[20:13] <SiDi> south of france
[20:13] <SiDi> it's my last year there, and i've got family in barcelona, so i dont wanna lose my chance to go there this year
[20:14] <newz2000> you're not too far
[20:14] <newz2000> it would be a shame not to go
[20:14] <newz2000> but a degree is important. :-)
[20:14] <SiDi> Well, if they weren't so badly organised... i still don't know when i'll have my exams :D
[20:27] <gata> a noob here needs help plz
[20:28] <gata> i want to use my machine as an ftp server so dat friends can access from anywhere
[20:28] <gata> i have ubuntu intrepid installed
[20:28] <newz2000> gata: plz is spelled "please" and instead of "dat" you should say "that"
[20:28] <newz2000> If you want to help with this website, this is the right channel.
[20:29] <gata> ok thanks
[20:29] <gata> news2000, thanks, i appreciate
[20:30] <gata> i have vsftpd installed. but i do not know how to configure my machine to make it accessible through the internet by my friends
[20:30] <newz2000> gata: what part of the world are you in?
[20:30] <SiDi> we can assume your machine is configured. can you login from localhost ?
[20:31] <gata> i will appreciate a kind of step-by-step guide to do this
[20:31] <newz2000> gata: that is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FtpServer
[20:31] <newz2000> but you may have better luck with a local user group
[20:31] <newz2000> getting it set up is not too hard, getting to it from outside your own network is challenging
[20:31] <gata> Sidi: yes i can
[20:32] <SiDi> and not from outside ?
[20:32] <SiDi> and just like that, did you configure your router to redirect port 22 tcp traffic to your computer ?
[20:32] <gata> that's what i do not know how to do
[20:34] <SiDi> We can barely help you on that.
[20:34] <SiDi> Unless you have exactly the same ISP as me :D
[20:34] <newz2000> right, thats why I asked where you're located gata
[20:34] <newz2000> I'd get in touch with a local user group or a loco team
[20:35] <newz2000> probably someone close to you has already done it
[20:35] <gata> dublin
[20:36] <newz2000> you're in luck
[20:36] <gata> really? how? when?
[20:36] <newz2000> (wiki is moving slow, just a sec)
[20:36] <jpds> "dublin.eircom.net] has joined #ubuntu-website"
[20:36] <newz2000> http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/
[20:37] <newz2000> gata: ^
[20:37] <newz2000> they have forums, an email list and even an IRC channel
[20:37] <jpds> And also; #ubuntu-ie and #ubuntu-server can help too.
[20:38] <newz2000> Every time I see that animated banner I think that this team is so awesome.
[20:38] <gata> newz2000, jpds: thanks a million, i appreciate. i will try now. i have been on this for over 6hours
[20:38] <newz2000> gata: if that fails (ftp is especially challenging)
[20:38] <newz2000> look into the web dav module for apache 2
[20:38] <newz2000> it can do the same thing and may be easier to pass through the firewall
[20:39] <newz2000> (but you do stil have to contend with the firewall)
[20:40] <gata> ok. i will try ftp first. if that fails, i will try apache
[20:41] <SiDi> hm ftp active mode doesnt support NAT static traversal, right ?
[20:42] <newz2000> I think you have to use pasv mode
[20:42] <SiDi> yeh, at least for the connection part
[20:43] <newz2000> it may work OK if the ftp server is behind the nat though
[20:44] <SiDi> i'll have to try that one day, to check out how it works
[20:44] <newz2000> I gave up on FTP a while ago
[20:45] <newz2000> webdav is better, sftp is better yet
[20:46] <SiDi> i used to use sftp, too
[20:46] <SiDi> anyways if i want a file to be downloadable from the outside, i put it on the apache serv
[20:47] <newz2000> I actually did have a problem the other day where I was trying to share a 2.8GB file with someone
[20:47] <newz2000> my apache is only 32b so it wouldn't serve the file
[20:48] <SiDi> what's the limit, exactly ?
[20:48] <newz2000> 2GB for 32b apache
[20:48] <newz2000> apparently


[03:09] <sputnik13> hello, trying to get maas set up with desktops that support AMT and noticing that when MAAS starts up the machines they try to boot to disk
[03:10] <sputnik13> tried looking through the MAAS code to see why that is and couldn't even find the amt driver code (at least it wasn't obvious to me by name)
[03:10] <sputnik13> can anyone help?


[00:12] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar-shares-plugin 0.3.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-shares-plugin-0-3-1-released-tp58212.html (by Andre Miranda)
[01:21] <bluesabre> For anybody curious, here's all the updated goodies in focal: https://wiki.bluesabre.org/focal_changes (bug lists are only from things in our packageset)... I'll be working on release notes over the next day or so
[10:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/tree/data/DistUpgrade.cfg.bionic#n64
[10:55] <bluesabre> Oh jeez I remember this now :D
[10:55] <bluesabre> Guess I know what I'm doing tonight
[10:59] <Unit193> Sorry.  I never thought of doing it for ll.
[11:43] <jphilips> anyone know where this should be filed under 'Xubuntu 20.04 not created ".bashrc" during installation  and therefore does not work auto completion commands in the terminal.'
[11:45] <bluesabre> Seems unlikely, but that file is installed to /etc/skel and copied to newly created home directories
[11:46] <bluesabre> $ dpkg -S /etc/skel/.bashrc
[11:46] <bluesabre> bash: /etc/skel/.bashrc
[11:46] <bluesabre> jphilips: the package you're looking for would be bash if thats the case
[11:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: correct me if I'm wrong :)
[11:47] <jphilips> bluesabre: would this be an installation problem
[11:47] <jphilips> so filed under ubiquity?
[11:48] <bluesabre> Yeah, that'd probably be closest to identifying the issue.
[11:48] <Unit193> Well technically it's there, so adduser or something else, depending.
[14:07] <pleia2> bluesabre: maybe Cc: me and to put<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as the email address for them to send the addresses to (and forward on any who don't follow directions)
[17:00] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is Unit193
[19:13] <jphilips> crasher bug in xfce4-color-settings - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1867530
[19:20] <ochosi> jphilips: that bugreport doesnt tell me much unfortunately...
[19:20] <jphilips> ochosi: check the private duplicate
[19:21] <jphilips> i cant access it
[19:22] <jphilips><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:42] <jphilips> Joshua from ubuntu cinnamon in the #ubuntu-quality channel mentioned he came across the same bug
[19:54] <ochosi> can't access the duplicate
[20:30] <jphilips> bluesabre, Unit193: can either of you access this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1835579
[20:50] <Unit193> g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a (type_instance=type_instance@entry=0x55c784f3f820, fundamental_type=fundamental_type@entry=80) at ../../../gobject/gtype.c:4025 g_object_unref (_object=0x55c784f3f820) at ../../../gobject/gobject.c:3243 color_settings_dialog_destroy (settings=0x55c784f3f910) at main.c:920
[20:50] <Unit193>  _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXEDv (closure=0x55c784e75ce0, return_value=0x7ffd4f544970, instance=<optimized out>, args=<optimized out>, marshal_data=<optimized out>, n_params=<optimized out>, param_types=0x55c784b19370) at ../../../../gtk/gtkmarshalers.c:129 _g_closure_invoke_va (closure=0x55c784e75ce0, return_value=0x7ffd4f544970, instance=0x55c784f3f910, args=0x7ffd4f544a40, n_params=1,
[20:50] <Unit193> param_types=0x55c784b19370) at ../../../gobject/gclosure.c:873
[20:55] <ochosi> is that all the stacktrace that's there?
[20:57] <Unit193> That's the comment by the retracer.
[20:57] <brainwash> ochosi: you fixed that one upstream
[20:58] <brainwash> I think
[20:59] <ochosi> hm, it vaguely sounds familiar
[20:59] <ochosi> it was about the dialog being unrefd, if i'm not mistaken
[21:00] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/commit/?id=ef0715288c36181bbb7061ebcee815fd14ed8708
[21:00] <ochosi> that was the one i was also thinking about
[21:01] <ochosi> did i forget to merge that to 4.14?
[21:01] <Unit193> Gave you links in PM.
[21:01] <ochosi> should be fixed in 4.14.2, if it's really the same bug
[21:02] <brainwash> that version was only upload recently, or?
[21:02] <brainwash> uploaded
[21:03] <brainwash> 2020-03-09
[21:03] <ochosi> oh ok
[21:04] <brainwash> the report is from when?
[21:04] <ochosi> i'd have to check the ubuntu source, the line from the traceback is empty in git master...
[21:05] <brainwash> bug 1866114
[21:11] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Seed nova-spiceproxy @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=177bbe96cdab8cd1211a1057c9dea4dc0106c2ed (by James Page)
[21:15] <jphilips> just got this crasher - bug 1871230
[21:45] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-panel 4.15.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-panel-4-15-2-released-tp58239.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)


[17:31]  * mpt wonders what the design for bug 668846 should look like
[17:34] <mpt> “Software Updater can’t continue until Synaptic exits.” ( Cancel ) ( Wait )
[17:35] <mpt> ...can’t install or remove software until…
[17:35] <mpt> “Ubuntu Software Center can’t install or remove software until apt-get exits.”
[17:37] <mpt> that could work ... probably only after a delay, though, so it doesn't come up because of an incidental check for updates
[17:37] <mpt> and auto-close if the problem solves itself
[17:37]  * mpt starts sketching
[17:45] <xnox> synaptic is crazy thought in between finishing applying changes and reloading cache it intermittedly releases lock & acquires it again. If one happens to run apt-get update at that time the two deadlock =)
[17:45]  * xnox used to use to much CLI and GUI together.
[17:46] <xnox> mpt: are the earlier "Web login" comments, about wifi hot-spots that ask you for email-address and such?
[17:46]  * xnox has technical way to implement it. I was thinking to publish it as an app.
[17:48] <mpt> xnox, yes
[17:48] <mpt> xnox, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#captive-portal
[17:51] <xnox> mpt: is anybody coding that?
[17:52] <xnox> e.g. in the installer we already are doing connectivity check against a known document http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html
[17:52] <xnox> which should have md5sum 4589f42e1546aa47ca181e5d949d310b
[17:52] <mpt> xnox, I did that design only yesterday, so I doubt anyone's started yet. :-) It's part of <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-connectivity-checking>, but the work items are vague about who would implement it.
[17:53] <mpt> Ooooo.
[17:54] <mpt> xnox, so that installer code could become part of the network-manager implementation?
[17:54] <xnox> yeah.
[17:54] <mpt> (Probably needs porting from Python to C or something, right?)
[17:55] <mpt> Lorem ipsum, ha
[17:55] <mpt> Somebody wasn't trying to save bytes there
[17:55] <mpt> To save the world's bandwidth, we should run a collision contest to find a shorter string that has the same md5sum!
[17:58] <xnox> =)))))))))) juju deploy md5sumcolider
[17:58] <xnox> that's awesome idea, apart from other people might be checking other checksums, or byte by byte.
[17:58] <xnox> [ "`wget -q http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html -O - | md5sum`" = "4589f42e1546aa47ca181e5d949d310b  -" ] && notify-send "Full internet connection" || notify-send "Offline or captive portal"
[17:59] <xnox> mpt: ^ that's a one liner implementation for the check. Obviously it needs to be run / triggered on becoming online.
[18:00] <xnox> mpt: python / c / any language can grab a file of internets & check it's checksum ;-)
[18:03] <mpt> "Get me one file of your finest internets. Neat."
[18:03] <xnox> ... and i shall check if you gave me a rotten one ;-)
[18:06] <xnox> mpt: the most silly thing about captive portals, is that some of them don't require one to login at all - just open it & look at advertisement. E.g. Virgin WiFi on the underground, after the first login, simply auto-redirects you to a ad.
[18:06] <xnox> So one can try opening any page in the background to see if it's enough to establish connection ;-)
[18:07] <mpt> xnox, yes. In that case this dialog would open and then close itself after 30 seconds ... which is probably too long
[18:08] <xnox> mpt: it's reasonable to try this hack without pooping anything up, and if it fails then poop up the OpenZone dialog.
[18:09] <mpt> xnox, as in make two HTTP requests and discard the first?
[18:09] <mpt> That could work.
[18:09] <xnox> yeah.
[18:10] <xnox> we may need to store state (some of these dialogs show remaining paid for time) but that can be future work.
[18:11] <mpt> Now that I think about it, there are also some portals that let you browse a few sites, but you have to log in to get the Web in general
[18:11] <mpt> What if those few sites are actually what you want?
[18:12] <mpt> the dialog would just stay open, unclosable
[18:12] <mpt> Maybe we want a "Cancel" button as well as the "Disconnect" button
[18:13] <mpt> The problem being that they'd do the same thing 99% of the time
[18:13] <xnox> the point is that we should hide it, but keep a launcher icon in the launcher or the menu item in the network indicator to get back to the portal.
[18:13] <xnox> (not just quit and discard)
[18:14] <xnox> we don't know if anyone wants to go back to them or not, but if they do, they should be able to, as long as they are still connected to that network.


[07:47] <alourie> hello
[13:12] <nhandler> Looks like we have a meeting tonight
[23:01] <nhandler> akgraner: Are we meeting tonight?
[23:24] <nhandler> I'll assume not (since I don't have an agenda, nobody is here, and there is no blueprint from UDS last I checked)
[23:35] <Pendulum> nhandler: I don't think she's going to be back online for a while
[23:35] <Pendulum> I think she's checking things like facebook and e-mail from phone, but not on IRC at all
[23:35] <Pendulum> there also didn't end up being a news team session at UDS
[23:35] <nhandler> Pendulum: Alright. I wasn't sure what her internet access situation was
[23:35] <nhandler> Alright.
[23:36] <nhandler> Pendulum: The only actions I know of that still need doing are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/ToDo


[00:13] <Combat_Wombat> yes sadly alternatives lack very seriously in the graphics department so its vmware workstation for bust for what I need it for :D
[00:15] <Bleu700> any one home ?
[00:17] <Combat_Wombat> many people
[00:17] <Bleu700> cool
[00:18] <Bleu700> 12.10 how do I turn the screen lock off?
[00:19] <Combat_Wombat> but on the vmware workstation thing it is having the same problem I am having with teamspeak3. Some fairly significant audio problems
[00:24] <wxl> Combat_Wombat: have you tried looking for a vmware-related channel?
[00:25] <Combat_Wombat> nope just got my first vm setup havent gotten very far yet
[00:25] <wxl> there is a #vmware here
[00:26] <wxl> it's registered
[00:26] <wxl> max users last two weeks is 428
[00:26] <wxl> i imagine there's someone there who can help you XD
[01:11] <flyabove> !time
[01:11] <flyabove> !date
[01:12] <wxl> flyabove: don't you have work to do?
[03:06] <user02938> Noticed some problems with Lubuntu:
[03:06] <user02938> 1:  Chromium browser isn't compatible with ebay. Won't allow photo uploading and text formatting.
[03:07] <user02938> 2:  Lubuntu is missing WiFi functionality (that works fine in Kubuntu).
[03:08] <user02938> 3. Google Chrome refuses to install in Lubuntu.  Fails with errors during install.
[03:13] <user02938> Now back to Chromium browser:   The fact that chromium is not compatible with ebay is a serious flaw since ebay is a  popular website for business.  But Google chrome (windows version) works fine with ebay.
[03:13] <TheLordOfTime> chrome installs fine in my 12.10 VM
[03:14] <TheLordOfTime> and Lubuntu works fine with my wifi, you probably just need to add additional drivers
[03:14] <mysteriousdaren> it installed in my 12.04 laptop and 12.10 netbook
[03:14]  * TheLordOfTime has a 12.10 VM because his 12.04 actually-installed system has a broken /boot
[03:14] <mysteriousdaren> user02938: how did you install? cli?
[03:15] <user02938> mysteriousdaren,  I installed google chrome from google's website.
[03:16] <user02938> during the install process it fails with errors.
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> not here
[03:16] <user02938> I'm using lubuntu 12.04... Let me try again.
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> all it needs on here is libgconf.
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> user02938, what "errors" is it throwing
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> you're probably just missing dependencies.
[03:16] <user02938> just a moment..
[03:17] <mysteriousdaren> try lubuntu software center, or synaptic
[03:18] <TheLordOfTime> google chrome installs correctly, and runs correctly, in 12.10
[03:18]  * TheLordOfTime spins up his 12.04 VM
[03:26] <user02938> Ok, Google chrome installed fine on this 32bit PC.
[03:26] <TheLordOfTime> and after i install libcurl3 in 12.04, the chrome installer works, and chrome correctly runs.
[03:26] <TheLordOfTime> works 64bit too, but i needed libcurl3
[03:26] <TheLordOfTime> and libgconf on 12.10
[03:27] <user02938> Well it refused to install in Lubuntu 64bit on my HP pavilion.
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> and you're not telling us the errors it said
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> so we can't really help you much
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> it usually says what errors you're having
[03:28] <user02938> I'm using my 32bit pc right now, so I'll bootup my 64bit PC and try again...Back in a few mins..
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> and i'm pretty certain the issue is you need to manually install the dependencies
[03:28] <user02938> it errored during the "man" installation
[03:29] <user02938> give me 10mins or so to check...
[03:34] <hpuser2323> << I'm the person with the google chrome problem.  I'm installing in 64bit.. almost done...
[03:35] <hpuser2323> it says I have broken dependancies and i need to run 'sudo apt-get install -f'. So i'm doing that now
[03:37] <TheLordOfTime> hpuser2323, it usually says the dependencies
[03:37] <TheLordOfTime> if apt-get install -f fails, specify them manually
[03:37] <hpuser2323> almost finished..
[03:38] <hpuser2323> It installed OK this time.
[03:39] <hpuser2323> Now I need to test how it works with ebay.
[03:39] <hpuser2323> So what are the wifi packages i need for Dlink USB Wifi adapter?
[03:40] <hpuser2323> (that was the wifi that failed to work in lubuntu but worked fine in Kubuntu)
[03:44] <mysteriousdaren> hpuser2323: search for your specific adapter on dlink and find the linux driver
[03:44] <hpuser2323> The fact that Kubuntu works fine with it, would indicate that Kubuntu already has the open source driver installed, and lubuntu does not.  So the question is, what driver is missing in Lubuntu.
[03:45] <hpuser2323> suppose i need to lsmod in kubuntu and check the differences in lubuntu?
[03:47] <hpuser2323> I prefer to download the driver from the lubuntu repos but I'll download from dlink if need be.
[03:49] <hpuser2323> I'll boot kubuntu so I can check what driver modules are installed for dlink wifi
[03:57] <user02938> hmm..   Lubuntu is missing a lot of wifi drivers compared to kubuntu.
[03:58] <TheLordOfTime> Most HPs i've seen across my workbench deploy those cards which need additional drivers, so perhaps that's the issue
[04:00] <dap> i'm trying to get lubuntu12.10-amd64 running off of a usb stick; everything works out-of-the-box when running from cd, but when running off the stick(installed via unetbootin), wireless and my trackpad don't work. any ideas?
[04:00] <user02938> Well i'm looking at the kubuntu kernel modules > net > wifi and there's a lot of drivers there. But Lubutu is missing many of them.
[04:01] <user02938> dap..ah another wireless problem..  I'm looking into that now.
[04:02] <dap> i find it rather odd that it works out of the box, but not running off the stick.
[04:06] <user02938> the usb installer could have failed to include the drivers during install..only speculating...
[04:07] <user02938> My hard drive install is missing wifi drivers also...trying to figure out why..
[04:11] <dap> that's possible. i'll try to find where they're located
[04:14] <holstein> !broadcom is a good reference
[04:14] <holstein> !broadcom
[04:17] <user02938> My Dlink wifi uses rt3070 chipset and the driver isn't loading in lubuntu.  Drivers rtlwifi are missing.
[04:18] <holstein> user02938: you can try the windows drivers with ndisgtk
[04:19] <user02938> holstein..thanks, will keep that in mind.  I just manually loaded the kernel driver with "sudo modprobe -r rtlwifi"
[04:20] <user02938> will have to disconnect my ethernet now and test wifi. Later..
[04:20] <holstein> user02938: if you havent tested, then id say you dont know that it is working
[04:20] <holstein> i would search "ubuntu rtwhatever". the line from lspci that desibes the hardware
[04:21] <holstein> i have one and i just load the windows driver.. works fine
[04:21] <user02938> yes i just google for information and i found my chipset so i loaded the realtek driver. Testing now
[05:34] <hpuser2323> Sylpheed mail refuses to add a second email account.
[05:35] <hpuser2323> refuses to switch between the 2 accounts and won't display the accounts in the left panel.
[05:37] <holstein> hpuser2323: i havent used it.. i would go right to http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/en/faq/faq.html
[05:37] <holstein> unless you find a bug report you can get envolved with... with some helpful ideas
[05:37] <holstein> OR, just use another client
[05:37] <hpuser2323> Sylpheed has a help menu with the manual which i'm looking at...trying to make sense of it.
[05:37] <holstein> i havent used an actual client since gmail started letting me pop other mail into it..
[05:42] <hpuser2323> Looks like sylpheed is bug ridden.  Not responding to my setup
[05:43] <hpuser2323> not even displaying the account I added.
[05:43] <Unit193> Is the other one that is pretty close to it working, claws I think?  I personally either use the webUI, but mostly Alpine.
[05:44] <Unit193> There was some other basic email client, but can't remember what it was... >_>\
[05:44] <hpuser2323> i'll check
[05:45] <hpuser2323> no, claws isn't installed.  Never mind, I'll use thunderbird or something else.
[05:47] <holstein> i would use thunderbird.. its not "heavy" and its well supported, even though frozen developmentally
[05:47] <hpuser2323> yes i'm familiar with thunderbird.  I have used Sylpheed before (in other linux's) but this sylpheed isn't working for some reason.  So thunderbird it is.
[06:03] <hpuser2323> OK.. Thunderbird works fine.   I added 2 accounts. No problems.
[06:03] <holstein> \o/
[06:06] <mysteriousdaren> holstein: how are you? how was the holiday season?
[07:56] <IronWaffle> Is anyone who's awake here that can help me?
[11:47] <flybelow> Hello, I need a little help, but it seems my messages are not getting through. Can someone please confirm you can see me?
[11:48] <flybelow> People don't reply to me, and most of my messages don't turn up in the log. Strange.
[11:49] <flybelow> Anyone?
[11:49] <flybelow> !help
[11:54] <flybelow> Hello. Can anyone see what I post?
[11:59] <inductiveload1> flybelow: i can hear you
[11:59] <flybelow> thank you!
[12:21] <Moewe> me too
[13:45] <flybelow> Hey. I have Lubuntu 11.10 and I always log in as root, automatically. I don't need to enter any password, there is no login screen. Now I installed Lubuntu 12.04 and the system is logging in automatically as the unprivileged user right after boot. How do I make it log in automatically as root, like it does in my older 11.10 installation?
[14:29] <flybelow> !patience
[16:05] <Combat_Wombat> looking for a openbox theme that looks like chromium any suggestions?
[17:16] <yggdrasil> hi, im trying to install lubuntu on an acer travelmate but x doesnt seem to wanna come up
[17:17] <yggdrasil> it just keeps flashing, mouse loads for a second then it flashes out again.
[17:20] <yggdrasil> it looks like it fails when it loads extension glx
[18:32] <R12Onu> Hello :-)
[18:33] <R12Onu> Is there a way to change the Synaptic Package Manager in Lubuntu 12.10 to something more like in Ubuntu?
[18:33] <R12Onu> I mean... friendly?
[18:33] <R12Onu> With ratings and such
[18:33] <TheLordOfTime> R12Onu, use something else perhaps?
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> Synaptic's not built to be that versatile
[18:34] <R12Onu> Such as?
[18:34] <R12Onu> I'm pretty new to linux...
[18:34]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> i pretty much just install everything via command line, so i'm less dependent on GUI features.
[18:34] <R12Onu> I don't use the command line at all :-D
[18:35] <R12Onu> I use the mouse
[18:35] <TheLordOfTime> meh, i'm a packager, i need the command line for things :P
[18:36] <R12Onu> So you must know a better package manager!
[18:36] <R12Onu> ;-)
[18:37] <R12Onu> What's the package manager in Ubuntu?
[18:39] <Combat_Wombat> isnt there that  ubuntu software center thing? it comes with lubuntu too
[18:40] <R12Onu> Oh, haven't noticed that
[18:40] <R12Onu> but its far from as friendly as the ubuntu one
[18:40] <R12Onu> with the ratings and such
[18:41] <Combat_Wombat> well if you remember whatever you are looking for is called i am sure its a package you can shoehorn into lubuntu
[18:42] <R12Onu> I'm mostly looking for new games and such
[18:42] <R12Onu> don't really know what I'm looking for
[18:42] <Combat_Wombat> well ill save you the time there are no good games in the repositories save maybe freeciv but even thats stretching it :D
[18:43] <Unit193> There is the Lubuntu software center, but if you don't like it, Ubuntu software center should work as well.
[18:43] <Unit193> Xonotic is in the repos now, last I knew.
[18:44] <R12Onu> I think I managed to download the Ubuntu thingy :-D
[18:45] <R12Onu> One last thing - can I remove the password pop-up window from Lubuntu?
[18:45] <R12Onu> I don't worry about anyone that don't know the password using the computer so its pretty pointless
[20:59] <flybelow> Can someone please tell me how to change locale?
[21:00] <flybelow> I searched google, but none of the solutions is working. It's one of those things that Ubuntu changes with every release, playing whack-a-mole with us...


[01:56] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:09] <gamerchick02> howdy cmaloney
[13:51] <cmaloney> morning
[15:08] <rick_h_> morn
[16:14] <gamerchick02> cmaloney are you still rocking tagspaces? i've found that the chrome evernote app seems to work pretty well on ubuntu.
[16:14] <cmaloney> I'm using Tagspaces
[16:15] <cmaloney> Going to do a presentation on it at Penguicon along with the rest of my GTD implementation
[16:15] <cmaloney> The Chrome Tagspaces extension is problematic though
[16:15] <cmaloney> WEll, let me rephrase
[16:15] <cmaloney> the Android Tagspaces doesn't integrate with Dropbox
[16:15] <cmaloney> and Chrome tagspaces is no better than the native client
[16:16] <gamerchick02> ah
[16:16] <cmaloney> Plus Tagspaces requires a tablet
[16:16] <gamerchick02> i was thinking of switching BUT i use the evernote app all the time on my ipad.
[16:16] <cmaloney> so instead I use Drafts
[16:17] <cmaloney> on the phone
[16:17] <cmaloney> Which is equvalent but doesn't understand Tagspaces tagging
[16:17] <gamerchick02> that's unfortunate
[16:17] <gamerchick02> too bad tagspaces won't sync with evernote
[16:19] <cmaloney> Yeah, Evernote is pretty closed-off
[16:19] <cmaloney> Which is why I switched
[16:19] <cmaloney> Plus I can use vim on my notes if I want
[16:19] <cmaloney> which is a plus
[16:20] <gamerchick02> i know. also too bad they dont' make a native linux app. BUT i use it on all my other devices. i'm using ifttt a lot to put stuff in my evernote from other sources
[16:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's the other problem
[16:20] <cmaloney> Evernote has a lot if interfaces, but not a lot of exports. :)
[16:21] <cmaloney> I don't know if you could replicate ifttt on Dropbox
[16:21] <gamerchick02> so... i forgot how much i loved ubuntu. and the experience on this Dell is like... the machine and the OS were designed together (like the macbook and OSX).
[16:22] <gamerchick02> no idea, but i think you can connect ifttt to dropbox.
[16:22] <gamerchick02> not sure if it will work with individual files though
[16:23] <cmaloney> https://ifttt.com/channels/dropbox/actions/67-create-a-text-file
[16:23] <cmaloney> Looks like it'll create files
[16:23] <cmaloney> not sure if it'll update files
[16:23] <gamerchick02> no idea.
[16:23] <gamerchick02> i guess you can try it
[16:24] <cmaloney> If I used ifttt then I would. :)
[16:24] <gamerchick02> lol
[16:24] <cmaloney> But that's too life-hacky for me. :)
[16:24] <gamerchick02> :) too automated?
[16:24] <cmaloney> I prefer to not rely on a service that might go away
[16:24] <gamerchick02> true
[16:24] <gamerchick02> but you use dropbox. i don't think dropbox and evernote will be going anywhere anytime soon
[16:25] <cmaloney> How foes ifttt make money?
[16:25] <cmaloney> Well, Dropbox can be replaced with Owncloud
[16:25] <gamerchick02> no idea
[16:25] <cmaloney> so I'm not so worried
[16:25] <cmaloney> and I pay Dropbox $9.99 a month to not go away.
[16:25] <cmaloney> So far they've kept up their end of the bargain
[16:26] <cmaloney> the Android Todo.txt uses Dropbox exclusively
[16:26] <gamerchick02> i'm not paying for dropbox but i'm paying for evernote
[16:26] <cmaloney> and I use CamScanner which uploads to Dropbox so I can take photos of paper and have it automagically tuend into PDFs
[16:27] <cmaloney> So I have most of the functionality I used in Evernote
[16:27] <gamerchick02> ooo
[16:27] <gamerchick02> nice!
[16:27] <cmaloney> OCR in Evernote was problematic because even human beings have problems with my handwriting
[16:27] <gamerchick02> ok so ifttt is free but i'm betting they'll start charging for "more than X recipes" sometime soon
[16:27] <gamerchick02> hence why you type everything... :-P
[16:28] <cmaloney> http://www.quora.com/How-does-IFTTT-make-money
[16:28] <cmaloney> It's a service I provide the world.
[16:28] <dzho> they have do and if, they'll start charging for while and until
[16:28] <dzho> or maybe for case
[16:28] <cmaloney> dzho: Heh
[16:29] <cmaloney> You pay for "do what I mean"
[16:30] <dzho> http://xkcd.com/1482/
[16:30] <cmaloney> Drop E
[16:30] <cmaloney> Drop E
[16:30] <cmaloney> Drop E
[16:30] <cmaloney> Drop E
[16:31] <gamerchick02> LOL
[16:31] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H7xo-XD2oc <- For those who don't know what Drop E is.
[16:32] <gamerchick02> something that my brother would know.
[16:32] <gamerchick02> :)
[16:32] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8S-F3DKA-8
[16:49] <gamerchick02> heavy.
[22:39] <widox> rick_h_: nice, thanks
[22:45] <widox> i actualy have the x240 (RIP hardware buttons), but this has some pretty good overall notes
[23:12] <rick_h_> widox: ah cool


[06:54] <didrocks> good morning
[06:59] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:03] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:00] <jibel> good morning tout le monde
[08:00] <didrocks> salut jibel :)
[08:01] <duflu> Hi jibel
[08:26] <seb128> goood morning desktopers, happy friday!
[08:27] <didrocks> hey seb128, happy friday
[08:28] <seb128> lut didrocks, to you too! how are you?
[08:28] <marcustomlinson> morning didrocks duflu jibel seb128
[08:28] <seb128> how was the fest evening in Lyon?
[08:28] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?
[08:29] <marcustomlinson> not too shabby. you seb128?
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: fine, headed deep in tests again
[08:30] <seb128> cooold, but good otherwise, I'm stopping for coffee on my way to go coworking today
[08:30] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/d/docker-libkv/focal/amd64 the retry with the new etcd worked
[08:45] <duflu> Morning seb128 and marcustomlinson
[08:47] <seb128> hey duflu, happy friday! how are you?
[08:48] <duflu> seb128, almost over the jetlag and within a couple of days of catching up on email. So mostly positive. You?
[08:51] <seb128> the proposed migration pages as big enough to make firefox unhappy at times :-/
[08:58] <didrocks> seb128: nice!
[09:52] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[10:15] <duflu> Hi Wimpress
[10:20] <Wimpress> Hi duflu. How's it going?
[10:21] <duflu> Wimpress, I'm exhausted. Almost caught up on the 300 bugs from November now. But it's also Friday night so almost good night...
[10:21] <duflu> How are you Wimpress?
[10:23] <duflu> Oh well, hope it's a good one
[10:23]  * duflu goes to sleep for most of the weekend
[10:23] <seb128> duflu, enjoy!
[10:24] <Wimpress> Nice! 300 bugs :-D
[10:34] <popey> Good morning
[10:34] <popey> who owns the libreoffice snap? I noticed 6.3.3 is out upstream.
[10:36] <marcustomlinson> popey: me
[10:36] <popey> oh, ignore me, i need to clean my glasses :D
[10:36] <marcustomlinson> haha
[10:36] <popey> I really mis-read the number on the screen.
[10:36] <popey> sooooo, any chance we can get a pretty banner uploaded for that snap marcustomlinson ?
[10:38] <marcustomlinson> you mean make one myself?
[10:38] <popey> Well, that's certainly an option.
[10:38] <popey> Does the upstream  project maybe have banners for other stores
[10:43] <marcustomlinson> can't find anything official
[10:59] <marcustomlinson> popey: alright I put a simple one up
[11:00] <popey> bingo, htanks
[11:00] <popey> -thanks
[15:51] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[15:51] <kenvandine> good morning hellsworth
[15:51] <marcustomlinson> morning hellsworth
[15:52] <hellsworth> hi yall and happy friday
[15:52] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: kenvandine also i got a little stuck yesterday and wonder if you two can point me in the right direction..
[15:53] <hellsworth> gedit builds with gnome-3-34 but won't run because it can't find /snap/gedit/x1/gnome-platform/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3-0/gtk-query-immodules-3.0
[15:53] <hellsworth> evince (built with gnoem-3-34) has this in /gnome-platform/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3-0/gtk-query-immodules-3.0
[15:53] <hellsworth> so why the heck would gnome-platform not have this in gedit?
[15:54] <kenvandine> is gnome-platform in gedit empty?
[15:54] <hellsworth> actual gedit error when running it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bp9cvYxzsw/
[15:55] <hellsworth> no it has a webkit dir but thats all
[15:55] <kenvandine> you need to connect the gnome-3-34-1804 interface
[15:55] <kenvandine> the webkit dir is there for the layout
[15:55] <hellsworth> this is my gedit yaml: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wMYCddFKFm/
[15:55] <hellsworth> omg the manual connection!!!!!
[15:55] <kenvandine> :)
[15:56] <hellsworth> so another thing i want to point out is the build-environment of gtksourceview in that yaml file
[15:56] <hellsworth> gtksourceview doesn't like some of the build-environment variables set by the extension so i guessd and just cleared them
[15:57] <kenvandine> interesting
[15:57] <hellsworth> it's a bit annoying if folks want to snap their thing with gnome-3-34 and then have to fiddle around with what build-environment vars need to be cleared like this
[15:57] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:57] <hellsworth> if any one of those are commented out, gedit won't build
[15:59] <hellsworth> so if i connect to the gnome-3-34-1804 interface, it fails with a different error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CmgzJ3Y3fW/
[15:59] <hellsworth> those permission denied bits are weird. idk why it would be trying to reach outside the /snap dir
[15:59] <kenvandine> i needs write access to those dirs
[15:59] <kenvandine> but it should have that
[16:01] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: why are you building gtksourceview again?
[16:01] <marcustomlinson> it's in the sdk snap no?
[16:01] <hellsworth> oh shoot i think you're right.. lemme look
[16:01] <kenvandine> that's probably left over from before we had newer gtksourceview
[16:02] <marcustomlinson> would this help? https://git.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/gedit/+git/master/tree/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[16:02] <hellsworth> yep it is
[16:03] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: it can't hurt to use as a reference at least so thanks :)
[16:03] <marcustomlinson> it's before the time of extensions of course
[16:04] <hellsworth> ok i'll remove the gtksourceview part and rebuild to see if that gets me any farther
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: if you look at my yaml you don't need anything but gedit and the plugins parts
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> I didn't at least :P
[16:04] <hellsworth> so i wonder why amtk was there at all
[16:05] <hellsworth> amtk is not in the build snap
[16:08] <kenvandine> you need amtk
[16:08] <kenvandine> relatively new build depends
[16:08] <kenvandine> and tepl
[16:08] <hellsworth> ah ok i'll put those back then and leave gtksourceview out
[16:08] <marcustomlinson> :)
[18:31] <marcustomlinson> cheers everyone, have a good weekend
[18:35] <hellsworth> cheers you too!
[19:20] <hellsworth> who is the WSL person?
[19:21] <hellsworth> my husband just started using it so i asked for feedback
[19:21] <hellsworth> apparently any new directory is being made with 777 perms instead of 755
[19:23] <hellsworth> nvm there's a github issue on it: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/352
[19:23] <gitbot> microsoft issue 352 in WSL "Default umask (permissions) is not applied" [Feature, Fixedininsiderbuilds, Open]


[14:50] <factran> Hi ! I'm trying rebirth with wine, it's cool, but there is a big lag. Anyone had the same lag problem with wine ?
[15:04] <factran> preferences, audio buffer !
[23:02] <toe_> having problems install jack
[23:03] <holstein> :/
[23:03] <holstein> hey toe_
[23:03] <holstein> jack just comes with ubuntustudio
[23:03] <toe_> tried sudo apt-get update && apt-get install -t experimental jackd but it asks if im root
[23:03] <toe_> im trying to install freebob rather for my firepod
[23:03] <holstein> what is experimental jackd?
[23:03] <holstein> yeah?
[23:03] <holstein> the firewire driver
[23:04] <holstein> in JACK
[23:04] <toe_> http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FreeBoB_on_Debian_GNU/Linux im at the install part
[23:04] <holstein> and JACK2
[23:04] <holstein> works great for me
[23:04] <toe_> yea i did all the settings for jack but it runs for a bit the stops
[23:04] <holstein> what chipset?
[23:04] <holstein> firewire?
[23:05] <toe_> 19:05:05.209 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info.
[23:05] <holstein> yup
[23:05] <toe_> what do you mean by chipset
[23:05] <holstein> what firewire chipset do you have?
[23:05] <holstein> run
[23:05] <holstein> lspci
[23:05] <toe_> ieee1394
[23:05] <holstein> you'll see something there
[23:05] <holstein> near 1394
[23:06] <toe_> ?
[23:06] <holstein> via
[23:06] <holstein> texas instruments
[23:06] <holstein> could be that
[23:06] <holstein> OR IRQ's
[23:06] <toe_> oh how do i find that out in terminal
[23:07] <holstein> lspci
[23:07] <holstein> for the IRQ settings
[23:07] <holstein> check
[23:07] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[23:07] <holstein> ideally
[23:08] <holstein> you want the firewire controller off by iteself
[23:08] <holstein> i got a laptop
[23:08] <holstein> one USB port is shared with the firewire controller
[23:08] <holstein> if anything is plugged in to that USB port
[23:08] <holstein> it runs like hell
[23:09] <holstein> when i can get it to start
[23:09] <holstein> that chip set is not a good one either
[23:09] <holstein> SO right there, im challenged
[23:09] <holstein> luckily, that machine died ;)
[23:09] <toe_> its a via tech
[23:09] <holstein> i have one via that is not bad
[23:10] <holstein> texas instruments is ideal
[23:10] <holstein> when your looking around in the future for hardware
[23:10] <toe_> ok
[23:10] <holstein> what about cat /proc/interrupts ?
[23:10] <toe_> so what do i do now?
[23:11] <holstein> do you see a line with 1394?
[23:11] <holstein> paste that one line here
[23:11] <toe_> no 1394 line
[23:12] <holstein> yeah?
[23:12] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:12] <holstein> paste the whole thing there ^^
[23:14] <holstein> toe_: actually
[23:14] <holstein> lets do this
[23:14] <holstein> run
[23:15] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[23:15] <holstein> and open setup
[23:15] <toe_> whats that
[23:15] <holstein> and lets talk about that settings
[23:15] <holstein> qjackctl
[23:15] <holstein> is jack control
[23:15] <holstein> and we are going to run it with the sudo command
[23:15] <holstein> as root
[23:15] <holstein> temporarily
[23:15] <holstein> to see if the firepod will work this way
[23:16] <holstein> then, i'll know what to tell you to do if it works as sudo
[23:16] <toe_> ok up and running
[23:16] <holstein> OK
[23:16] <holstein> click 'setup'
[23:16] <holstein> on the left side
[23:16] <toe_> done
[23:16] <holstein> theres a checkbox
[23:17] <holstein> 'realtime'
[23:17] <holstein> is that checked?
[23:17] <toe_> yea
[23:17] <holstein> in the center
[23:17] <holstein> frames/period
[23:17] <holstein> what is that set to?
[23:17] <toe_> i saw a setup for it and set it up to be preferenced
[23:17] <toe_> 128
[23:17] <holstein> OK
[23:17] <holstein> set that to 256
[23:17] <toe_> samp 44100
[23:17] <holstein> and period buffer?
[23:17] <holstein> what is that set to?
[23:17] <toe_> 2
[23:17] <holstein> OK
[23:18] <holstein> and priority default?
[23:18] <toe_> input device hw0 right
[23:18] <holstein> toe_: try default
[23:18] <toe_> yea
[23:18] <holstein> for imput device too
[23:18] <holstein> for now
[23:18] <holstein> driver 'firewire'
[23:18] <toe_> ok done
[23:19] <holstein> OK
[23:19] <holstein> nothing else firewire plugged in right?
[23:19] <holstein> just the firepod?
[23:19] <toe_> done , that might of been the problem it was set to alsa
[23:19] <toe_> yea just the pods in
[23:19] <holstein> OK
[23:19] <holstein> say 'OK'
[23:19] <toe_> start her up
[23:19] <holstein> and go back to the main window
[23:19] <holstein> and try 'start'
[23:20] <toe_> sweet it worked
[23:20] <holstein> cool
[23:20] <holstein> SO
[23:20] <holstein> stop it
[23:20] <holstein> and go back to the menu
[23:20] <holstein> and click on jack control
[23:20] <toe_> ok
[23:20] <holstein> and try it again
[23:20] <holstein> and dont freak if it doesnt work
[23:20] <holstein> probably some permissions we need to trouble shoot
[23:21] <toe_> no it works . another thing i was wondering about is i got real use to using cubase whats the clossest program to that for studio
[23:22] <holstein> well, there is nothing like cubase, and personally im glad
[23:22] <holstein> BUT
[23:22] <holstein> what you want is ardour
[23:22] <holstein> ardour and JACK
[23:22] <holstein> ardour will have MIDI support soon
[23:22] <holstein> if you want midi
[23:22] <holstein> you use JACK to connect
[23:22] <toe_> ok no i dont need midi support
[23:22] <holstein> toe_: check out #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance :)
[23:23] <holstein> ardour is the deal then
[23:23] <holstein> and #ardour is very helpful
[23:24] <toe_> ok will do thanks alot for the help your  got go for a few hours but ill be back ill see if your in hear again and check that out
[23:28] <holstein> toe_ :)


[04:00] <technomensch> are there currently any members of the wiki team available for a moment?
[07:52] <kgoetz> Is there a plan to include information on QoS in the server guide? I'd be interested in helping get together a basic page on seting up some tcng classes to get people going if it doesnt already exist
[07:54] <kgoetz> i think its something that should/could go in the server guide
[08:08] <kgoetz> i dont see a wiki page on it, i'll start one.
[08:17] <kgoetz> i've just created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tcng . The nicest thing i can say about it is ... its incomplete. I will try and improve it as i get better with TCNG myself.
[08:25] <kgoetz> :\ wiki seems to be running like treacle
[16:04] <ikonia> Hi documentation team, I'd like to sound an opinion off you guys thats arrose out of multiple support issues.
[16:05] <ikonia> I'd like to see a note/comment/guideline put in place to request anyone writing or updating a document put either the version of ubuntu the document was intended to be used on. or if it is non-version specific, or generic
[16:05] <ikonia> I've had a few users following old docs for hardy that just won't work, and they didn't know they where not meant for hardy, I only found out by noticing the differences in how hardy does things and what the documentation was suggesting
[16:06] <ikonia> Is this something you feel worth while ?


[00:30] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: duuuuuuude.
[00:31] <Na3iL> hey N`importe_qui
[00:57] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: what are you oing
[00:57] <N`importe_qui> * doing
[01:00] <Na3iL> Reading a book, hopefully I finished it
[01:00] <Na3iL> wbu?
[01:03] <N`importe_qui> what book
[01:05] <Na3iL> About System administration
[01:05] <Na3iL> I mean ebook
[01:05] <Na3iL> not a real book :P
[01:06] <N`importe_qui> iknow
[01:08] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: are you employed as a sys admin ?
[01:10] <Na3iL> No, I still studying
[01:10] <Na3iL> I am*
[01:10] <N`importe_qui> okey
[01:26] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: but that's boring
[01:26] <Na3iL> for you maybe it seems boring, for me not :p
[01:30] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: meh.
[01:31] <Na3iL> otherwise, what are u doing?
[01:31] <N`importe_qui> Browsing the internet randomly, too bored to concentrate and code something
[01:33] <Na3iL> hmm
[01:55]  * N`importe_qui pats Na3iL
[02:06] <Na3iL> Na3iL, pats N`importe_qui back
[02:07] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: nope
[02:08] <Na3iL> hahah
[02:08] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: and what are you studying ?
[02:10] <Na3iL> IT in ISET charguia
[02:13] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: you're still there? i'm in the university next to it :v
[02:16] <Na3iL> really?
[02:16] <N`importe_qui> yep :v
[02:16] <N`importe_qui> there is a wall betwewen us
[02:16] <N`importe_qui> :)
[02:16] <N`importe_qui> you know it right? !v
[02:16] <N`importe_qui> * :v
[02:17] <N`importe_qui> imma get some chocolate
[02:18] <Na3iL> xD hahaha that's cool let us meet then
[02:19] <N`importe_qui> okey, when :p
[02:19] <Na3iL> Tomorrow for example?
[02:20] <N`importe_qui> why not the day after tomorrow
[02:20] <N`importe_qui> i don't go anymore to the university because i mostly finished my studies, but i'm still registered as a student there
[02:21] <N`importe_qui> so how about the day after tomorrow?
[02:21] <N`importe_qui> because i live far from Tunis
[02:21] <N`importe_qui> and since i haven't slept till now, tomorrow would not be some good idea
[02:23] <Na3iL> okay :D then the day after tomorrow
[02:23] <N`importe_qui> what time
[02:23] <N`importe_qui> hour
[02:23] <N`importe_qui> etc
[02:24] <Na3iL> wa9t élli t7éb :D
[02:24] <N`importe_qui> lulz
[02:25] <N`importe_qui> will you be there for the whole morning session?
[02:25] <N`importe_qui> or the evening one
[02:25] <N`importe_qui> ?
[02:26] <Na3iL> for the 2, ama mafaméch 9raya
[02:27] <N`importe_qui> you mean from the morning to 2pm ?
[02:28] <Na3iL> yep
[02:28] <N`importe_qui> aren't there studies for the whole week or what?
[02:29] <N`importe_qui> you just said that there are not studies or somehting
[02:30] <Na3iL> yep for the whole week
[02:30] <N`importe_qui> yeah screw studies
[02:30] <Na3iL> :D
[02:31] <N`importe_qui> okey then , friday, under the ISET-charguia's 'tinda'
[02:31] <N`importe_qui> lmao
[02:32] <Na3iL> lool deal
[02:33] <N`importe_qui> i might reach the iset_charguia around the noon :/
[02:33] <N`importe_qui> decribe yourselg, i mean length, glasses or not, etc
[02:33] <N`importe_qui> *yourself *
[02:35] <Na3iL> no glasses, green eyes and black jacket :p
[02:36] <N`importe_qui> how tall are you
[02:37] <Na3iL> 1,7 i guess
[02:37] <N`importe_qui> okey, i'll be some 1.92-cm tall brown man
[02:38] <N`importe_qui> with sunglasses, otherwise regular ones
[02:38] <N`importe_qui> is it the same thing in the enicar next to the iset? no studies there ?
[02:40] <Na3iL> i think so yep
[02:40] <N`importe_qui> are they full of people these days? :o
[02:40] <N`importe_qui> i haven't gone there in a while
[02:41] <Na3iL> I think it full of peeps but no studies there as I think
[02:42] <N`importe_qui> yeah whatever
[02:52] <N`importe_qui> Na3iL: black jacket and what else on your lower half ?
[02:53] <N`importe_qui> i might not find you under the tent
[02:54] <Na3iL> 7atta serwel djin black :P
[02:54] <N`importe_qui> yay
[02:54] <N`importe_qui> like the guys i the matrix
[02:54] <N`importe_qui> *in the *
[02:56] <Na3iL> haha kind of :p
[02:57] <N`importe_qui> what book are you reading Na3iL
[02:58] <Na3iL> http://linux-training.be/linuxsys.pdf
[02:58] <N`importe_qui> ah okey
[02:58] <Na3iL> brb
[02:58] <N`importe_qui> what pagee have you reached Na3iL
[02:58] <N`importe_qui> *page *
[17:17] <Helmoony> nizarus, ahla nizar
[17:17] <nizarus> salam Helmoony
[17:17] <Helmoony> chnowwa a7welik ?
[17:19] <elacheche> Helmoony & elacheche forever alone on #wikimedia-tn
[17:19] <elacheche> x(
[17:19] <nizarus> hamdoullah et toi; quoi de 9 ?
[17:19] <Helmoony> hhhhh
[17:19] <Helmoony> hamdoullah heni kammalt li9raya wirja3t niktib 3al wikipedia
[17:20] <Helmoony> en attendant nil9a 5idma
[17:20] <nizarus> elacheche: la communauté wikimedia.tn préfère failbook et $kype :/
[17:20] <elacheche> :(
[17:20] <nizarus> bon courage Helmoony :)
[17:20] <nizarus> tu es diplômé en quoi finalement ?
[17:20] <elacheche> Helmoony, try you chance here https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us#Wikimedia_Careers
[17:20] <elacheche> :D
[17:22] <Helmoony> why not!
 tu es diplômé en quoi finalement ?
[17:24] <Helmoony> Nizar billehi fil mailing list mta3 wikimedia tn taw til9a illi kallamt jma3a mil association tunisienne mta3 il rondonneurs.
[17:24] <Helmoony> billehi nizarus tijjimch totlobhom par telephone pour organiser un workshop
[17:25] <Helmoony> nizarus, ismou Fahd  616 303
[17:25] <Helmoony> 98
[17:27] <nizarus> Helmoony: moi je ne peux pas organiser ce workshop
[17:27] <nizarus> c'est à la communauté wikemedia de le faire
[17:27] <nizarus> je ne veux pas m'engager à leur place
[17:27] <Helmoony> nizarus, tu n'es pas membre ? ok taw nkallim mounir mela
[17:28] <nizarus> Helmoony: je suis membre mais pas animateur de workshop :/
[17:34] <nizarus> j'ai déjà suffisamment de mal pour faire bouger CLibre alors s'occuper en plus d'une autre communauté qui dort, non merci :/
[17:34] <Helmoony_> nizarus, haw kallamt mounir, b3athtlou email
[18:25] <N`importe_qui> 'evening
[18:53]  * N`importe_qui pats anis.
[18:54] <elacheche_anis> o/
[22:12] <N`importe_qui> \o\
[22:12] <hid> salam
[22:12] <hid> /o/