[01:56] <therethinker> We need a mythtv bot
[01:56] <therethinker> For here...
[01:56] <laga> which'd what
[01:56] <therethinker> Be like ubotu... except for mythtv related things
[01:56] <laga> yes
[01:56] <laga> we have on in #mythtv-de
[01:56] <laga> it's in german, though
[01:56] <therethinker> Ah
[01:56] <MitoTranin> I've admind bots multiple times before
[01:57] <MitoTranin> very easy to do
[01:57] <therethinker> Want me to do it?
[01:57] <MitoTranin> I could set one up easily enough
[01:57] <MitoTranin> possibly run it even from my hosting account so that it's always on
[01:57] <therethinker> I could set one up
[01:57] <therethinker> I could do it on my server so its always on
[01:57] <therethinker> :P
[01:57] <therethinker> ITS WAR!
[01:57] <MitoTranin> (as opposed to from my house, which *should* always be on, but you never know)
[01:57] <MitoTranin> lol
[01:58] <MitoTranin> eggdrop? :)
[01:58] <therethinker> :P
[01:58] <laga> eggdrop. what the cool kids use
[01:59] <mythbot> *registering mythbot*
[01:59] <laga> it has that certain "m1rkforce! lulz" ring to it
[01:59] <mythbot> I agree
[01:59] <mythbot> Do the ! thing :D
[01:59] <laga> !boobies
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boobies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about boobies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150389 in mythbuntu "Static IP address not set during install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150389
[02:00] <MitoTranin> lol
[02:00] <MitoTranin> ok, now you're just showing off :)
[02:00] <mythbot> Congrats MitoTranin:
[02:01] <MitoTranin> ok... time to go share some sugar (aka pudding) with my kids before their bedtime
[02:01] <MitoTranin> I'll be back later after they're in bed
[02:05] <foxbuntu> !midget porno
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about midget porno - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <foxbuntu> !midget porno staring Laga
[02:09] <Aval0n> !seen midget.porn
[02:10] <therethinker> :P
[02:11] <therethinker> !that! Go die, or
[02:11] <foxbuntu> !midget.porn.staring.laga.the.great
[02:11] <therethinker> :P
[02:11] <therethinker> s/great/ugl
[02:12] <therethinker> *ugly
[02:13] <therethinker> Whoo
[02:13] <therethinker> ubotu was written in python
[02:13] <therethinker> thank god
[02:17] <therethinker> Although, I'm going with Pynfo...
[02:27] <therethinker> I apologize in advanced the havoc mythbot may cause..
[02:28] <therethinker> *pushes button*
[02:30] <therethinker> Hello mythbot
[02:30] <therethinker> Mythbot2?
[02:30] <therethinker> .ping
[02:31] <therethinker> .wik MythTV
[02:31] <mythbot2> "MythTV is a Linux application which turns a computer with the necessary hardware into a digital video recorder, a digital multimedia home entertainment system, or Home Theater Personal Computer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV
[02:31] <therethinker> ITS ALIVE!
[02:31] <therethinker> although it keeps disconnect/reconnecting
[02:31] <therethinker> ,t
[02:31] <therethinker> .t
[02:31] <mythbot2> Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:31:45 GMT
[02:32] <therethinker> .t
[02:32] <mythbot2> Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:32:26 GMT
[02:32] <therethinker> .swhack ducks
[02:32] <therethinker> .t
[02:32] <mythbot2> Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:32:47 GMT
[02:32] <therethinker> .g mythbuntu
[02:33] <therethinker> .swhack ducks
[02:33] <therethinker> It keeps connecting, then getting discnnected
[02:34] <therethinker> Hmm... seems connected
[02:34] <therethinker> .swhack ducks
[02:35] <therethinker> .rate Mythtv
[02:36] <therethinker> .rate Mythtv
[02:37] <therethinker> Found the problem
[02:37] <therethinker> Its a daemon... I couldn't stop it with Ctrl+C
[02:37] <therethinker> Okay, hello mythbot2 :-)
[02:38] <therethinker> .rate Mythtv
[02:38] <therethinker> BTW: Once you guys start talking, I'll stop playing with mythbot2
[02:39] <therethinker> .wik Mythtv
[02:39] <mythbot2> "MythTV is a Linux application which turns a computer with the necessary hardware into a digital video recorder, a digital multimedia home entertainment system, or Home Theater Personal Computer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythtv
[02:39] <therethinker> .rate Mythtv
[02:40] <therethinker> Okay, I'll get to work on the info module
[02:40] <therethinker> http://inamidst.com/phenny/
[02:40] <therethinker> play around with it if you want
[02:41] <therethinker> #wik
[02:42] <therethinker> ?wik
[02:42] <therethinker> wik!?
[02:42] <therethinker> stop me if I'm being annoying, guys
[02:42] <therethinker> that means stop me :P
[02:44] <therethinker> mythbot2 help me
[02:47] <therethinker> mythbot2: help?
[02:47] <mythbot2> Hi, I'm mythbot2 (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[02:47] <mythbot2> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[02:47] <mythbot2> Try "mythbot2: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[02:47] <therethinker> mytbot2 help?
[02:51] <therethinker> ! help?
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <therethinker> Oh, right
[02:52] <therethinker> I'll need a different  command :P
[02:52] <therethinker> Whadda want it to be?
[02:52] <therethinker> @
[02:52] <therethinker> @ help
[02:52] <ubotu> (help [<plugin>]  [<command>] ) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[02:52] <therethinker> Hmm... seems to be some secret command thing...
[02:52] <therethinker> $help
[02:52] <therethinker> $ help
[02:53] <therethinker> @help?
[02:54] <therethinker> @: help?
[02:54] <therethinker> wait, its $ :P
[02:54] <therethinker> $help?
[02:54] <therethinker> $: help?
[02:54] <therethinker> $ help?
[02:57] <pdragon> woo... loving mythtv the more i play with it. figured out the whole auto-expire thing and how to only keep the last 2 episodes of a show but keep recording new ones
[02:58] <therethinker> mythbot2: help?
[02:58] <pdragon> just need to figure out how to make a remote work and i'll make one for the parents :)
[03:01] <therethinker> mythbot: help?
[03:01] <therethinker> @: help?
[03:01] <therethinker> @ help?
[03:02] <therethinker> mythbot: help?
[03:02] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[03:02] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[03:02] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[03:06] <therethinker> : help?
[03:06] <therethinker> ::help?
[03:06] <therethinker> :: help?
[03:06] <therethinker> : : help?
[03:09] <tgm4883_laptop> help?
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> !help
[03:10] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> :help
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker: help
[03:10] <therethinker> Yeah
[03:10] <therethinker> Penny is so confusing
[03:11] <therethinker> Or whatever it is
[03:11] <therethinker> Phenny
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> yay
[03:11] <therethinker> Its python
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> the therethinker bot rocks
[03:11] <therethinker> :P
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker: foxbuntu
[03:11] <therethinker> I am not a bot
[03:11] <therethinker> Foxubuntu is a lazy slug
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> yes you are
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker: superm1
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> man this therethinker bot is slow
[03:12] <therethinker> I would like to say something bad about superm1, but he is "da boss", as far as open-source hierarchies go
[03:14] <therethinker> Okay
[03:14] <therethinker> >: helo?
[03:14] <therethinker> >: help?
[03:14] <therethinker>  : help?
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: help
[03:15] <therethinker> Do you know python?
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: help time
[03:15] <therethinker> I thought I did
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[03:15] <therethinker> a: help?
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> wait
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: python
[03:15] <therethinker> Its incredibly weird
[03:15] <therethinker> lmao
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[03:15] <therethinker> Nowww
[03:15] <therethinker> mythbot: help?
[03:15] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[03:15] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[03:15] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: help beats
[03:16] <mythbot> '.beats - Returns the current internet time'
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[03:16] <therethinker> Yeah
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> : help
[03:16] <therethinker> I'm trying to work on the help module
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> nothing
[03:16] <therethinker> but I'm WTF'ing
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: help
[03:16] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[03:16] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[03:16] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[03:16] <therethinker> Yeah, it will only help on "mythbot:", which is a PITA
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> :help
[03:16] <therethinker> as opposed to !
[03:16] <therethinker> nope, it looks for "mythbot: "
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yea you dont want !
[03:17] <therethinker> Well, I'm trying to either do :, or $
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: myersbriggs
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: help myersbriggs
[03:17] <mythbot> '.myersbriggs - Find your Myers-Briggs Type.'
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> i broke it
[03:18] <therethinker> now I get some debug info..
[03:18] <therethinker> mythbot: help?
[03:18] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: help myersbriggs
[03:18] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[03:18] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[03:18] <mythbot> '.myersbriggs - Find your Myers-Briggs Type.'
[03:18] <therethinker> Wow...
[03:18] <therethinker> that's suprisingly... simple :P
[03:18] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: myersbriggs
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[03:19] <therethinker> okay
[03:19] <therethinker> : help?
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: myersbriggs
[03:19] <therethinker> yeah
[03:19] <therethinker> I removed the mythbot
[03:19] <therethinker> But I think I figured it out
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker: myersbriggs
[03:19] <therethinker> $ help?
[03:20] <therethinker> : help?
[03:20] <therethinker> : help?
[03:20] <therethinker> :: help?
[03:21] <therethinker> : help?
[03:21] <mythbot> AttributeError: 'bool' object has no attribute 'group' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_help)
[03:21] <therethinker> Whoo :D
[03:21] <therethinker> $ help?
[03:21] <therethinker> :
[03:21] <mythbot> AttributeError: 'bool' object has no attribute 'group' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_help)
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> but will it
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> will it pick up mid sentance $ help? like if I did it there
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> guess not
[03:22] <therethinker> Nope
[03:22] <therethinker> and its : as of now
[03:22] <therethinker> Although I figured it out a bit more
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> will it pick up mid sentance : help? like if I did it there
[03:22] <therethinker> nope
[03:22] <therethinker> It does a startswith thing
[03:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[03:23] <therethinker> Keyword: $
[03:23] <therethinker> $ help?
[03:23] <mythbot> NameError: global name 'true' is not defined (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 20, in f_help)
[03:24] <therethinker> forogt python uses True, not true
[03:24] <therethinker> $ g?
[03:24] <mythbot> AttributeError: 'bool' object has no attribute 'group' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 9, in f_chelp)
[03:25] <therethinker> let me get some more data...
[03:25] <therethinker> mythbot: help?
[03:25] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[03:25] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[03:25] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[03:25] <therethinker> mythbot: help g?
[03:25] <mythbot> Sorry, no documentation for g.
[03:25] <therethinker> AH HAH!
[03:27] <therethinker> $ g?
[03:27] <mythbot> Sorry, no documentation for $ g.
[03:28] <therethinker> $g
[03:28] <mythbot> Sorry, no documentation for g.
[03:28] <therethinker> That's good :D
[03:33] <therethinker> What should I add
[03:34] <therethinker> Watch this
[03:34] <therethinker> $laga
[03:34] <mythbot> 'laga is a programmer for Mythtv. His email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:34] <therethinker> :D
[03:35] <therethinker> $laga
[03:35] <mythbot> laga is a programmer for Mythtv. His email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:35] <therethinker> (killed the 's)
[03:36] <pdragon> $therethinker
[03:36] <mythbot> Sorry, no documentation for therethinker.
[03:36] <therethinker> I'm working on it :P
[03:37] <pdragon> hehe
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, are you sure people want there emails this easily accessable?
[03:37] <therethinker> Don't worry :P
[03:37] <therethinker> I put that in as a joke
[03:38] <therethinker> There
[03:38] <therethinker> there are 3 entries
[03:38] <therethinker> figure them out :P
[03:38] <pdragon> $superm1
[03:38] <tgm4883_laptop> $smack pdragon
[03:38] <therethinker> :P
[03:38] <tgm4883_laptop> $random
[03:38] <tgm4883_laptop> $whack pdragon
[03:38] <pdragon>  /me feels the love
[03:38] <pdragon> gah
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> $hug pdragon
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> $therethinker
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> $help
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythbot
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythtv
[03:39] <therethinker> $therethinker should have worked
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythbuntu
[03:39] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> I broke it again
[03:39] <therethinker> $laga
[03:40] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:40] <therethinker> I broked it again
[03:40] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:40] <therethinker> $ help?
[03:41] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:41] <therethinker> huh
[03:41] <therethinker> that's odd..
[03:41] <therethinker> its.. not getting anything
[03:42] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:42] <therethinker> ahh
[03:44] <therethinker> $hello
[03:44] <mythbot> NameError: global name 'docs' is not defined (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 9, in f_chelp)
[03:45] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:45] <therethinker> Oh, wow
[03:45] <therethinker> I forgot commas
[03:45] <therethinker> Yay
[03:45] <therethinker> It should be happy now
[03:45] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:45] <mythbot> mythbuntu-control-centre, or mcc, is a application designed to make setting up MythTv simpler
[03:46] <therethinker> .wik MythTv
[03:46] <mythbot> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "MythTv".
[03:46] <therethinker> .wik Google
[03:46] <pdragon> $tgm4883
[03:46] <mythbot> Sorry, no documentation for tgm4883.
[03:46] <mythbot> "Google Inc. (NASDAQ: GOOG and LSE: GGEA) is an American public corporation, specializing in Internet search and online advertising." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google
[03:46] <therethinker> .wik MythTV
[03:46] <mythbot> "MythTV is a Linux application which turns a computer with the necessary hardware into a digital video recorder, a digital multimedia home entertainment system, or Home Theater Personal Computer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV
[03:46] <pdragon> $boobies
[03:46] <mythbot> Sorry, no documentation for boobies.
[03:46] <pdragon> damn
[03:47] <therethinker> :D
[03:47] <therethinker> Now that trick works nicer
[03:47] <therethinker> $anything
[03:47] <mythbot> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 16, in f_chelp)
[03:47] <therethinker> Oh crap. brb
[03:48] <pdragon> hehe
[03:48] <therethinker> $anything
[03:48] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything. Try .wik anything     to search Wikipedia, or .g anything to search Google.
[03:48] <therethinker> $anything
[03:48] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything. Try .wik anything  to search Wikipedia, or .g anything to search Google.
[03:49] <therethinker> the spacing issue :-)
[03:49] <therethinker> $therethinker
[03:49] <mythbot> therethinker is the programmer who created me. He mainly works on mcc.
[03:49] <therethinker> find the other 2
[03:49] <therethinker> You have 5 guesses :P
[03:50] <pdragon> $superm1
[03:50] <mythbot> superm1 is the programmer who is in charge of Mythbuntu.
[03:50] <therethinker> Good'n
[03:50] <pdragon> hmm
[03:50] <pdragon> $mythbuntu
[03:50] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about mythbuntu. Try .wik mythbuntu  to search Wikipedia, or .g mythbuntu to search Google.
[03:50] <therethinker> pdragon will never get it
[03:50] <pdragon> some myth bot :p
[03:50] <therethinker> :P
[03:50] <pdragon> $pdragon
[03:50] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about pdragon. Try .wik pdragon  to search Wikipedia, or .g pdragon to search Google.
[03:50] <therethinker> 2 let
[03:50] <therethinker> *left
[03:51] <pdragon> $tgm4883
[03:51] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about tgm4883. Try .wik tgm4883  to search Wikipedia, or .g tgm4883 to search Google.
[03:51] <therethinker> He's a decent bot... I guess
[03:51] <pdragon> $ubotu
[03:51] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubotu. Try .wik ubotu  to search Wikipedia, or .g ubotu to search Google.
[03:51] <therethinker> Ha, you lost
[03:51] <pdragon> boo
[03:51] <therethinker> $whack pdragon
[03:51] <mythbot> /me whacks pdragon!
[03:51] <pdragon> need to fix that
[03:51] <therethinker> :P
[03:51] <therethinker> I like it
[03:52] <therethinker> Its an easter egg of sorts :P
[03:52] <tgm4883_laptop> it should say something like
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> tgm4883 whacks pdragon with a big stinky fish
[03:53] <therethinker> Actually
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> random stuff like that
[03:53] <therethinker> that's what I'm working on :P
[03:53] <therethinker> except not-so-random :P
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> or
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> $runover therethinker
[03:53] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about runover therethinker. Try .wik runover therethinker  to search Wikipedia, or .g runover therethinker to search Google.
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> $naked women
[03:53] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about naked women. Try .wik naked women  to search Wikipedia, or .g naked women to search Google.
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> poor mythbot
[03:54] <pdragon> that's a shame
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a $learn function?
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> $.g mythbuntu
[03:54] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about .g mythbuntu. Try .wik .g mythbuntu  to search Wikipedia, or .g .g mythbuntu to search Google.
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> .g mythbuntu
[03:54] <therethinker> I should teach it that though
[03:54] <tgm4883_laptop> $g mythbuntu
[03:55] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about g mythbuntu. Try .wik g mythbuntu  to search Wikipedia, or .g g mythbuntu to search Google.
[03:55] <therethinker> .wik mythbuntu
[03:55] <mythbot> "Mythbuntu is a specialized Linux distribution based on Ubuntu and MythTV 0.20-2." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythbuntu
[03:55] <tgm4883_laptop> apparently .g doesn't work
[03:55] <therethinker> Yeah
[03:55] <therethinker> :P
[03:55] <therethinker> It should though
[03:56] <therethinker> Apparently, .g isn't impletemented
[03:57] <therethinker> lets try this
[03:57] <therethinker> $whack mythbot
[03:57] <mythbot> KeyError: 'whack mythbot' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 18, in f_chelp)
[03:57] <therethinker> Argh
[03:57] <therethinker> $mcc
[03:57] <mythbot> mythbuntu-control-centre, or mcc, is a application designed to make setting up MythTV simpler
[03:57] <therethinker> Hey
[03:58] <therethinker> does someone want to write some stuff up?
[03:58] <therethinker> :P
[03:58] <therethinker> The format is...
[03:58] <therethinker> 'superm1' : 'superm1 is the programmer who is in charge of Mythbuntu.' , \
[03:58] <therethinker> if you start with 8 spaces, I'll appreciate it ;-)
[03:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[04:00] <Dr_willis> 'elvis' : '         Elvis is the King! Last seen in #McDonalds'
[04:00] <Dr_willis> Like that?
[04:00] <therethinker> No
[04:00] <therethinker> like
[04:00] <therethinker>         'elvis' : 'Elvis is the King! Last seen in #McDonalds',\
[04:02] <Dr_willis> 'BillGates' : 'Bill Gates, also known as Gateutus of Borg, wanted for FUD spreading and Confusing the definition of Opensource.'.\'
[04:02] <Dr_willis> doh... irc client wont let me do it.
[04:02] <therethinker> $slap Dr_willis
[04:02] <mythbot> KeyError: 'slap Dr_willis' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 18, in f_chelp)
[04:02] <Dr_willis>         'BillGates' : 'Bill Gates, also known as Gateutus of Borg, wanted for FUD spreading and Confusing the definition of Opensource.'.\'
[04:02] <therethinker> Its fine
[04:02] <Dr_willis> There it went :)
[04:02] <therethinker> YOu can use spaces ;-)
[04:02] <therethinker> Notes
[04:03] <therethinker> its a comma at the end
[04:03] <Dr_willis>         'BillGates' : 'Bill Gates, also known as Gateutus of Borg, wanted for FUD spreading and Confusing the definition of Opensource.',\'
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop>         'foxbuntu; : 'foxbuntu is a mythbuntu dev, he is leet, although not as leet as tgm4883.',\
[04:03] <therethinker> yeah, and don't end with a '
[04:03] <therethinker> like tgms!
[04:03] <Dr_willis>         'BillGates' : 'Bill Gates, also known as Gateutus of Borg, wanted for FUD spreading and Confusing the definition of Opensource.',\
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, does it auto learn?
[04:04] <Dr_willis>         'engrish' : 'Engrish is a funny web site. http://engrish.com',\
[04:05] <tgm4883_laptop>         'laga' : 'laga is from the other side of the ocean.  Therefor, it is probably best to not listen to him.',\
[04:05] <therethinker> $slap mythbuntu
[04:05] <mythbot> KeyError: 'slap mythbuntu' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 20, in f_chelp)
[04:05] <pdragon> haha
[04:05] <therethinker> oh well
[04:05] <therethinker> I'll figure that out one day
[04:05] <tgm4883_laptop> so is it learning this things?
[04:05] <therethinker> $bill gates
[04:05] <mythbot> Bill Gates, also known as Gateutus of Borg, wanted for FUD spreading and Confusing the definition of Opensource.
[04:05] <therethinker> Nope
[04:05] <therethinker> I'm inputting them by hand :P
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> $foxbuntu
[04:06] <mythbot> foxbuntu is a mythbuntu dev, he is leet, although not as leet as tgm4883.
[04:06] <therethinker> Actually, I don't ned the 8 spaces
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> $help
[04:06] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about help. Try '.wik help'to search Wikipedia.
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> $help?
[04:06] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about help. Try '.wik help'to search Wikipedia.
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> no help command anymore?
[04:06] <therethinker> No..
[04:07] <tgm4883_laptop> what bot is it again?
[04:07] <Dr_willis> $elvis
[04:07] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about elvis. Try '.wik elvis'to search Wikipedia.
[04:07] <therethinker> Its phenny
[04:07] <therethinker> Okay
[04:07] <therethinker> $help
[04:07] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[04:07] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[04:08] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[04:08] <therethinker> $whack pdragon
[04:08] <mythbot> /me whacks pdragon!
[04:08] <therethinker> $foxbuntu
[04:08] <mythbot> foxbuntu is a mythbuntu dev, he is leet, although not as leet as tgm4883.
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[04:08] <therethinker> $engrish
[04:08] <mythbot> Engrish is a funny web site. http://engrish.com
[04:09] <therethinker> Lets try
[04:10] <therethinker> $slap-mythbot
[04:10] <Dr_willis> $billgates
[04:10] <therethinker> Its $billgates
[04:10] <therethinker> I think its borked
[04:10] <MitoTranin> still playing with the bot I see?
[04:10] <therethinker> Yes
[04:10] <therethinker> Very fun :D
[04:10] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythbot tell therethinker foxbuntu
[04:11] <therethinker> $mythbot tell therethinker foxbuntu
[04:11] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about mythbot tell therethinker foxbuntu. Try '.wik mythbot tell therethinker foxbuntu'to search Wikipedia.
[04:11] <therethinker> mythbot: tell therethinker foxbuntu
[04:11] <mythbot> You can tell yourself that.
[04:11] <therethinker> See?
[04:11] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[04:11] <therethinker> mythbot: tell MythbuntuGuest06 Hallow!
[04:11] <mythbot> therethinker: I'll pass that on when mythbuntuguest06 is around.
[04:11] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbot: tell therethinker foxbuntu
[04:11] <mythbot> tgm4883_laptop: I'll pass that on when therethinker is around.
[04:12] <therethinker> That's odd...
[04:12] <mythbot> therethinker: 02:11Z <tgm4883_laptop> tell therethinker foxbuntu
[04:12] <therethinker> Oh :-D
[04:12] <MitoTranin> .g mythbuntu
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> $whack mythbot
[04:12] <mythbot> KeyError: 'whack mythbot' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:12] <therethinker> .g doesn't work
[04:12] <therethinker> And whack doesn't either
[04:12] <MitoTranin> .wik mythbuntu
[04:12] <mythbot> "Mythbuntu is a specialized Linux distribution based on Ubuntu and MythTV 0.20-2." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythbuntu
[04:12] <MitoTranin> $slap therethinker
[04:12] <mythbot> KeyError: 'slap therethinker' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:13] <therethinker> $slap therethinker
[04:13] <mythbot> KeyError: 'slap therethinker' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:13] <therethinker> still no
[04:13] <MitoTranin> you do realize that it is quite slow... right?
[04:13] <therethinker> Its on my computer
[04:13] <therethinker> when I'm done
[04:13] <therethinker> I'll move it to my server
[04:13] <MitoTranin> .....
[04:13] <therethinker> ... what?
[04:14] <MitoTranin> wouldn't it be better to start it out on the server, so once it's done... it's actually.... done?
[04:14] <therethinker> Well, its not hard :P
[04:14] <therethinker> its just quicker for me to restart it/save
[04:14] <therethinker> $whack MitoTranin
[04:14] <mythbot> KeyError: 'whack MitoTranin' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:15] <MitoTranin> therethinker: see pm
[04:15] <therethinker> $help
[04:15] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
[04:15] <mythbot> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, httphead, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
[04:15] <mythbot> Try "mythbot: help command?" if stuck. My owner is therethinker.
[04:16] <therethinker> $whack MitoTranin
[04:16] <mythbot> KeyError: 'whack MitoTranin' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:17] <therethinker> action_msg = "/me" + action[command]  + command.split(" ")[1]
[04:17] <therethinker> what's wrong with that?
[04:17] <MitoTranin> no space after /me
[04:17] <MitoTranin> so it ends up as /mecommand
[04:17] <therethinker> $whack MitoTranin
[04:17] <mythbot> KeyError: 'whack MitoTranin' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:17] <therethinker> Still no
[04:17] <therethinker> action_msg = "/me " + action[command]  + command.split(" ")[1]
[04:17] <therethinker> OR
[04:17] <therethinker> *OH
[04:18] <therethinker> I feel dumb
[04:18] <therethinker> $whack MitoTranin
[04:18] <mythbot> /me whacks MitoTranin
[04:19] <therethinker> $runover MitoTranin
[04:19] <mythbot> /me takes wireless control of MitoTranin's car, and runs him over
[04:19] <MitoTranin> ouch!
[04:19] <therethinker> They'res 1 more action
[04:21] <therethinker> $slap
[04:21] <mythbot> IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 21, in f_chelp)
[04:21] <therethinker> Hah... guess it doesn't work :P
[04:21] <therethinker> $slap Me
[04:21] <mythbot> /me slaps Me
[04:22] <therethinker> $slap
[04:22] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about slap. Try '.wik slap'to search Wikipedia.
[04:22] <therethinker> $slap me
[04:22] <mythbot> /me slaps me
[04:23] <pdragon> $slap mythbot
[04:23] <mythbot> /me slaps mythbot
[04:23] <therethinker> That's going to be a fun function :P
[04:23] <therethinker> Shooting?
[04:24] <therethinker> Obscene things?
[04:24] <therethinker> $$
[04:24] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about $. Try '.wik $'to search Wikipedia.
[04:25] <pdragon> whoa... lotsa updates since beta release day
[04:25] <therethinker> Really?
[04:25] <therethinker> To what?
[04:26] <MitoTranin> there are 114mb of updates on a fresh beta build
[04:26] <MitoTranin> mainly the ubuntu base
[04:26] <MitoTranin> but also the basic myth packages have a handful too
[04:27] <pdragon> http://pastebin.com/m77746cdd
[04:27] <therethinker> Wait, there's pastebin.com!/
[04:28] <MitoTranin> !pastebin
[04:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:28] <therethinker> I've always used paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[04:28] <therethinker> What should I say about MythTV?
[04:29] <therethinker> !MythTv
[04:29] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[04:30] <therethinker> $pastebin
[04:30] <mythbot> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste!)
[04:31] <therethinker> ubotu
[04:31] <therethinker> !ubotu
[04:31] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:32] <therethinker> Watch this
[04:32] <therethinker> $ubuntu
[04:32] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu. If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik ubuntu' to search Wikipedia.
[04:32] <mythbot> !ubuntu
[04:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[04:32] <therethinker> Eh? eh!?
[04:33] <tgm4883_laptop> $naked women
[04:33] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about naked women.  If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik cheese' to search Wikipedia.
[04:34] <mythbot> !cheese
[04:34] <mythbot> .wikcheese
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <therethinker> $cheese
[04:34] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese. If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik cheese' to search Wikipedia.
[04:34] <mythbot> !cheese
[04:34] <mythbot> .wikcheese
[04:34] <therethinker> hitting save helps :P
[04:34] <therethinker> $cheese
[04:34] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese. If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik cheese' to search Wikipedia.
[04:34] <mythbot> !cheese
[04:34] <mythbot> .wik cheese
[04:35] <therethinker> !cheese
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <therethinker> Hmm
[04:35] <therethinker> I guess the .wik thing won't work... but maybe I can do it...
[04:36] <pdragon> brb. rebooting after updates
[04:36] <therethinker> $cheese
[04:36] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese. If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik cheese' to search Wikipedia.
[04:36] <mythbot> !cheese
[04:36] <mythbot> NameError: global name 'f_wikipedia' is not defined (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 31, in f_chelp)
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <therethinker> $cheese
[04:37] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese. If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik cheese' to search Wikipedia.
[04:37] <mythbot> !cheese
[04:37] <mythbot> NameError: global name 'f_wikipedia' is not defined (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/help.py", line 32, in f_chelp)
[04:37] <therethinker> $cheese
[04:37] <mythbot> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese. If ubotu doesn't know, try '.wik cheese' to search Wikipedia.
[04:37] <mythbot> !cheese
[04:37] <mythbot> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'group' (file "/home/zach/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 115, in f_wikipedia)
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 ping
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, i don't mean to be bossy, but can the testing happen in another channel.  This is some serious flooding
[04:38] <therethinker> Yep
[04:38] <therethinker> Sure
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks
[04:38] <therethinker> Thanks for letting me know : P
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> just in case someone comes along needing help
[04:38] <therethinker> Yep
[04:39] <therethinker> #mythbot-test
[04:39] <therethinker> Do you mind the left/join messages?
[04:39] <therethinker> Those
[04:40] <therethinker> I know
[04:41] <therethinker> Let me stick 'er on my server... and I'll continute deving
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, you could always join #therethinker
[04:44] <therethinker> That's the last time ;-)
[04:44] <mythbot> IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/var/nas/phenny/data/reminders.db' (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/tell.py", line 93, in dumpReminders)
[04:44] <therethinker> Argh
[04:44] <mythbot> IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/var/nas/phenny/data/reminders.db' (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/tell.py", line 93, in dumpReminders)
[04:44] <therethinker> Last time -- REALLY]
[04:44] <mythbot> IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/var/nas/phenny/data/reminders.db' (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/tell.py", line 93, in dumpReminders)
[04:45] <therethinker> Really really really last time...
[04:45] <therethinker> Good :P
[04:45] <therethinker> Okay
[04:45] <therethinker> Sorry everyone :(
[04:46] <therethinker> So, MCC :P
[04:47] <pdragon> 2 kernel updates. that was fun
[04:48] <MitoTranin> tgm4883, tgm4883_laptop: were you here earlier when I was troubleshooting problems connecting my remote front/backend?
[04:48] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[04:49] <MitoTranin> well, I can't get anything to connect to my backend other than the frontend on the same machine
[04:49] <pdragon> hmm... whatever was in those last updates seems to have fixed the multiplying network icons
[04:49] <MitoTranin> mythweb on the same machine even says that the backend isn't running
[04:49] <pdragon> i'm not getting any new ones but now i'm stuck with 4
[04:50] <MitoTranin> so then I tried to fix the remote connections by disabling/enabling the mysql service as suggested
[04:50] <MitoTranin> but when it said to remove it, it said that it was going to remove the "mysql-server service"
[04:50] <MitoTranin> well, I didn't do it for a while, but then decided that doing so won't delete my database, just stop it from working... so I did...
[04:51] <MitoTranin> but as soon as it was disabled, the option to enable it was then disabled (as in greyed out!)
[04:51] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[04:51] <superm1> what you need tgm4883_laptop ?
[04:51] <MitoTranin> heh, superm1...
[04:52] <MitoTranin> you just banned therethinker
[04:52] <superm1> i did?
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> his bot
[04:52] <MitoTranin> mythbot was running from his home machine
[04:52] <superm1> just the bot that was in here.  i didn't look whose it was.
[04:52] <troy_s> superm1: So any thoughts -- I have been twiddling with the 1960 table top wallpaper (minor tone adjustments etc.) and bits like that... working towards a usplash etc.
[04:52] <MitoTranin> you banned that address, which banned him...
[04:52] <superm1> well let me see.
[04:52] <troy_s> superm1: You are +1 on the table top correct?
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> well he's still in here
[04:52] <superm1> he's still in here?
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker is
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> not the bot
[04:52] <MitoTranin> yeah, but that doesn't mean anything...
[04:52] <superm1> troy_s, i sent you a mail
[04:53] <MitoTranin> he's banned, but not kick-banned
[04:53] <MitoTranin> once he leaves he won't be able to come back in
[04:53] <troy_s> superm1: Yes... I just wanted to be clear that the tabletop idea (the general direction I was going in for wallpaper from the get go) was in agreement with you?
[04:53] <superm1> therethinker, you should be able to say things again
[04:53] <troy_s> foxbuntu I believe was in agreement on it.  He wanted to twiddle with it as his working desktop wallpaper and take it for a trial run.
[04:53] <therethinker> yay :D
[04:53] <therethinker> I was like "hello!?! " :P
[04:54] <superm1> therethinker, no bots other than ubotu and ubuntulog ok?
[04:54] <therethinker> k
[04:54] <therethinker> We were doing a bot that'd be knowledgable on mythtv
[04:54] <superm1> well i saw bot spam all over my backtrace
[04:54] <therethinker> like ubotu... but on mythtv
[04:54] <troy_s> superm1: Anyways, if you are +1 -- I'll double check with foxbuntu and carry along.
[04:54] <therethinker> Yeah ... sorry >_>
[04:54] <superm1> okay troy_s yeah
[04:54] <troy_s> superm1: The usplash is going to be quite hilarious.
[04:55] <superm1> therethinker, if you've got a productive bot that won't be spamming like that was we can talk
[04:55] <troy_s> superm1: I have the goofiest pic of sabdfl for one of the channel flips.
[04:55] <superm1> troy_s, well you have to make sure he would be cool with you including that before you would
[04:56] <troy_s> superm1: Bah.  It is all in good fun and I think it is an excellent easter egg for those who know what he looks like.
[04:56] <therethinker> superm1: Yes, I  was doing testing in here, which I shouldn't have done
[04:56] <superm1> well the last thing i want is sabdfl unhappy with this project
[04:56] <troy_s> superm1: By the time it is in there, it is balooned out ala tv screen anyways.
[04:56] <troy_s> lol
[04:56] <troy_s> superm1: He won't be.  I am quite certain he will find it quite cute.
[04:56] <therethinker> Who's sabdfl?
[04:57] <superm1> troy_s, we'll talk after i see it
[04:57] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, do you know what you needed?
[04:57] <superm1> if not i have other items to attend to yet tonight.
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, no idea, i'll have to remember and get back to you tomarrow.  It must not have been that important
[04:58] <superm1> okay anyone else need anything quick?
[04:58] <superm1> therethinker, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[04:58] <therethinker> Ooh
[04:59] <pdragon> heh... i never knew that acronym for him either
[05:01] <pdragon> if I change the recording folder location in the backend and move all my recordings to the new folder, will everything still work ok?
[05:02] <MitoTranin> pdragon: uh... I think so?...
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> yes it should
[05:02] <pdragon> that was my thought too... was hoping for a more... concrete answer :)
[05:03] <pdragon> k
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, look at it this way.  I moved all my recordings to a new hard drive and they still work
[05:03] <pdragon> just changed the folder and all worked ok?
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> although it was the same dir
[05:03] <pdragon> ahh
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> it was more a backup and reinstall
[05:04] <pdragon> well, i'm watching the last of stuff i recorded this week now, so if it doesn't work no biggie
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> worst thing that happens, is that you don't retain program details
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> ie title, etc
[05:05] <therethinker> !lirc
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> !guide
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <therethinker> (I'm now using that link)
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> !guides
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guides - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:07] <therethinker> !codecs
[05:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:07] <therethinker> I couldn't get the full links on the site
[05:07] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop:  speaking of backup/reinstall...  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/backup-restore
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> looks good
[05:09] <tgm4883_laptop> you still would lose your recordings though
[05:09] <therethinker> Hey, everytime that you guys encounter a term that you'd like in mythbot's KB -- just throw a && around. I'll catch it in the logs later, and add it. If you want something, send me a message
[05:10] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: not if you're like me, and keep your recordings stored on a network storage with raid
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> true
[05:11] <MitoTranin> but even if you didn't keep the recordings off-box... restoring all settings etc like that would be a ton better than loosing everything
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> most important thing to back up is the database
[05:11] <MitoTranin> the only problem you'd have is that some episodes that you had recorded but hadn't seen yet would still be marked as recorded
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> which already auto backs up
[05:12] <MitoTranin> but where?  I don't see anything about that...
[05:12] <MitoTranin> which means it would back it up to another place on the same drive
[05:12] <MitoTranin> which means it's no good in a drive failure
[05:12] <MitoTranin> and only partially good in a system failure
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> it does, but thats easily fixed with either changing where it backs up, or mounting an nfs or something (or mouning a usb key there)
[05:13] <MitoTranin> (in a system failure you still have to go through a whole reinstall and resetup before you can do a restore)
[05:14] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: change of subject for a sec... I'm having problems with my mysql service... I disabled it and now I can't re-enable it...
[05:14] <MitoTranin> any suggestions?
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> error messages?
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> how did you disable
[05:14] <MitoTranin> none...
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> how are you trying to restart it?
[05:15] <MitoTranin> I disabled it via mcc while troubleshooting not being able to connect remote back/frontends or even the local mythweb
[05:15] <MitoTranin> so I disabled it, and then when that was done, it actually disabled (as in greyed out) the control option for the item
[05:16] <MitoTranin>  my first thought was that I had to restart before I could re-enable it
[05:16] <MitoTranin> but then I restarted, and it's still disabled
[05:16] <MitoTranin> wb foxbuntu
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> where in mcc did you disable it?
[05:17] <MitoTranin> MCC > System Services >MySQL Service
[05:17] <foxbuntu> evening MitoTranin
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:17] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: I disabled that service... and now can't get it back!
[05:17] <MitoTranin> lol
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> have you tried something like /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[05:17] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, tats plain no good
[05:18] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: doesn't help
[05:18] <MitoTranin> BUT, it is still there, which is good...
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> whats the response?
[05:18] <MitoTranin> nothing
[05:19] <MitoTranin> says it starts the database
[05:19] <MitoTranin> but then when I closed and re-opened the mcc nothing had changed
[05:19] <MitoTranin> I also just now installed the weekly updates
[05:19] <MitoTranin> no change
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> but can mythweb and the frontend connect?
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> this is on weekly updates?
[05:19] <MitoTranin> nope
[05:19] <MitoTranin> no
[05:19] <MitoTranin> well
[05:20] <pdragon> moving to a new folder worked perfect :)
[05:20] <MitoTranin> it was fully updated via the update manager
[05:20] <MitoTranin> and about 10 minutes ago, it told me it had new updates
[05:20] <pdragon> kept all the program info too
[05:20] <MitoTranin> many of which were mythbuntu updates
[05:20] <MitoTranin> the problem started well before
[05:20] <MitoTranin> so I figured "how much more could it hurt?"
[05:21] <MitoTranin> so I installed the updates...
[05:21] <MitoTranin> still no good
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> are you running trunk?
[05:21] <MitoTranin> no
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:21] <MitoTranin> fresh install as of yesterday
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not too sure of the issue
[05:21] <MitoTranin> updated with nothing other than the standard update manager
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> is the backend log telling you anything
[05:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, you around?
[05:22] <MitoTranin> ... where is it so I can check?  :)
[05:22] <superm1> foxbuntu, i'm really really busy.  is it urgent?
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log i think
[05:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, prob not...but your expertise is prob required
[05:24] <foxbuntu> anyone wit expertise to debug python..
[05:24] <superm1> okay its debugging python crap, no i've got other more pressing issues right now
[05:24] <superm1> poke around with other people
[05:24] <foxbuntu> I am getting a back trace syntax error for the following line:
[05:24] <foxbuntu>     def clean_record_once(self,clean_record_once)
[05:25] <superm1> sorry no offense
[05:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, nope
[05:25] <foxbuntu> go and do
[05:26] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu stop bugging superm1, he needs to finish other work so he can come back and work on mythbuntu :)
[05:26] <tgm4883_laptop> or woo girls
[05:26] <foxbuntu> superm1, need to stop wooing girls for now
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> you should never stop wooing girls
[05:27] <foxbuntu> :)
[05:27] <foxbuntu> my college policy... (f n c)
[05:28] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: it's kinda important to stop the wooing once you get married...
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> never stop
[05:28] <pdragon> well, we're getting closer to being able to get channel icons. perl bindings was compiled in but there's a bug in the perl script
[05:28] <pdragon> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/294050
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> but once you're married, you can only woo one
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> scratch that
[05:28] <MitoTranin> lol
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> you only want to woo one
[05:28] <MitoTranin> so true
[05:28] <pdragon> you're only "supposed" to want to woo one
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> that one will score some points with the lady
[05:29] <pdragon> hehe
[05:29] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, only woo one, but always remember, just because you are on a diet doesn't mean you can't enjoy looking at the menu
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> hehe
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu is soooooo the devil on my shoulder
[05:29] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> i can see it now
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> *poof* tgm4883, come on, she would want you to wipe that dirt off her chest *poof*
[05:32] <MitoTranin> ok, so who is well versed in the boot order of ubuntu?
[05:32] <foxbuntu> *poof* tgm4883_laptop , come on, she won't mind you "trip" and stopping yourself on her chest *poof*
[05:32] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[05:33] <MitoTranin> ok, thanks everyone for the info :) !
[05:33] <tgm4883_laptop> *poof* foxbuntu, she would want you to pretend those were airbags and that you were just in a car accident *poof*
[05:33] <MitoTranin> here's what I discovered my problem to be...
[05:33] <MitoTranin> I have my recordings set to record to /data/mythtv/recordings
[05:33] <MitoTranin> that dir is nothing more than a symlink to a folder within a network share mounted via fstab
[05:34] <MitoTranin> ie: it's linked to /data/nas-mounts/mount1/folder/folder/recordings
[05:34] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, then the headline would read "Man's Wife tortures and kills in fashion not seen since 1200BC by Kahn"
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[05:35] <pdragon> lol
[05:35] <MitoTranin> everything works fine, and my mythbackend starts and behaves properly when I either manually mount, or mount via the fstab via the 'mount -a' command
[05:35] <MitoTranin> but if I let it mount automatically via reboot, that mount never gets fully mounted
[05:36] <MitoTranin> and thus mythbackend can't find it's recordings directory
[05:36] <therethinker> BTW: I'm making mythbot DB-driven, editable from the web, etc
[05:36] <MitoTranin> and thus it starts up, and then hangs
[05:36] <MitoTranin> SO... anyone know why that is?
[05:38] <pdragon> sorry, i haven't done any network drive mounting yet
[05:38] <MitoTranin> trying something
[05:38] <MitoTranin> changing from smbfs as the mount type to cifs
[05:38] <MitoTranin> I remember something about the smbfs not working right anymore, even though they are the same thing
[05:43] <MitoTranin> well, that worked for one (I had 3... commented out 2 and changed 1).
[05:43] <MitoTranin> now time to try all 3 :)
[05:48] <pdragon> love mythbusters. just watched the one about leaving the lights on vs turning them off to save power. saves more power to turn them off
[05:50] <therethinker> Yes
[05:50] <therethinker> Mythbusters = good
[05:50] <MitoTranin> ???
[05:50] <MitoTranin> I've never heard that it saves power to leave the lights on
[05:51] <MitoTranin> BUT... it does save on the life of the bulb to leave it on rather than to constantly turn it on and off
[05:51] <pdragon> true
[05:51] <MitoTranin> but that's if you're going to turn it on and off lots of times...
[05:51] <pdragon> they found some firehouse that has a lightbulb that's been burning for 101 years
[05:51] <MitoTranin> doesn't save electricity... saves the life of the bulb *at the cost* of electricity
[05:51] <pdragon> it has a huge carbon fiber filament
[05:51] <MitoTranin> for standard lights that's pointless
[05:52] <MitoTranin> wow
[05:52] <MitoTranin> those huge lights in the ceiling of big gyms etc that take forever to warm up...
[05:52] <pdragon> ahh... next they're testing the longevity of the bulbs :)
[05:52] <MitoTranin> those things are much better to leave on than to turn off and on again...
[05:53] <MitoTranin> just because they cost a ton
[05:53] <MitoTranin> heh
[05:53] <benlake> I've installed mythbuntu with the mythweb plugin, but I see no virtual host configuration for it?
[05:54] <pdragon> cool. they did the test turning them off and on every 2 minutes for a solid month
[05:54] <pdragon> only bulb that lasted was the LED
[05:54] <MitoTranin> pdragon: yep... it kills the life of the bulb...
[05:55] <MitoTranin> benlake: do you need a virtualhost config for it?
[05:55] <MitoTranin> mythweb is found at http://your.ip.here/mythweb
[05:56] <benlake> MitoTranin: good call... :)
[05:57] <MitoTranin> benlake: if your internal dns is setup right, you should also be able to use the hostname instead of IP... but that depends on proper dns....
[05:57] <MitoTranin> using the IP is a sure-thing
[05:58] <benlake> yeah its all fine, just saw they config pointing to a mythdir but no directory mapping
[05:59] <MitoTranin> now that you mention it though, I don't remember seeing anything saying "look for your mythweb here"
[06:00] <MitoTranin> I'll post a bug about it... nothing big, but worth having a link to it at least.
[06:00] <pdragon> it's in the regular mythtv documentation
[06:01] <pdragon> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-14.html
[06:01] <MitoTranin> pdragon: but wouldn't it be considered "good form" to have a link to it in the mcc right where you enable/disable it?
[06:01] <pdragon> this is true
[06:02] <MitoTranin> I see mythbuntu as being an "as near key-turn MythTV setup as possible" solution
[06:02] <MitoTranin> and to do that, the little things like that go a long way
[06:03] <benlake> MitoTranin: indeed
[06:03] <pdragon> or, if not a link to it, just mentioning where the default URL is
[06:03] <MitoTranin> yeah
[06:03] <pdragon> since most people probably won't be going to it on the mythbuntu box
[06:03] <MitoTranin> (since normally you wouldn't access it from within the mcc, but rather need to know where to access it from your normal pc)
[06:03] <MitoTranin> uh, yeah, what he said :)
[06:04] <benlake> anyone have some more info on getting nuvexport than Google? Googles giving me a bunch of hackity stuff, I don't like going that route with a nice clean ubuntu system
[06:04] <pdragon> maybe get the current IP of the mythbuntu box and a note saying: Access mythweb here: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mythweb
[06:04] <pdragon> with the real IP filled in there
[06:04] <MitoTranin> exactly what I'm mentioning in my bug report right now :)
[06:04] <pdragon> :D
[06:04] <MitoTranin> (it's not an actual bug, but not worthy-enough to be a blueprint)
[06:05] <pdragon> don't know ben
[06:07] <MitoTranin> benlake: what do you need nuvexport for?
[06:07] <benlake> getting recording off in say an avi
[06:07] <MitoTranin> you'll probably want to use MythArchive instead
[06:07] <benlake> hmm
[06:08] <MitoTranin> ah, to do that I would suggest setting up a custom UserJob
[06:08] <benlake> is that command line accessible?
[06:08] <MitoTranin> and to do that, you'll need "hackity stuff"
[06:08] <benlake> MitoTranin: have you used nuvexport?
[06:08] <MitoTranin> nope
[06:08] <benlake> MitoTranin: you might understand where I'm coming from :)
[06:08] <MitoTranin> my recordings have always been directly to either mpeg2 or mpeg4
[06:09] <MitoTranin> I've never really had to deal with .nuv recordings
[06:09] <benlake> MitoTranin: and since I haven't messed with MythArchive, it could be just fine for all I know :)
[06:11] <foxbuntu> laga, therethinker question for you about m-c-c
[06:11] <MitoTranin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/150437
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150437 in mythbuntu "Mythweb link missing" [Undecided,New]
[06:12] <therethinker> Sure
[06:12] <therethinker> Shoot foxbuntu
[06:12] <therethinker> (that's "Shoot, foxbuntu")
[06:12] <foxbuntu> therethinker, where can I find section "mythbuntu"
[06:12] <therethinker> What?
[06:12] <foxbuntu> I am getting a back-trace about that
[06:12] <therethinker> What do you want to do?
[06:12] <foxbuntu> ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'remove_once2' in section: 'mythbuntu'
[06:12] <therethinker> Wow... noclue
[06:13] <foxbuntu> ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'remove_once2' in section: 'mythbuntu'
[06:13] <therethinker> Oh
[06:13] <foxbuntu>     old_remove_once2 = self.config.get("mythbuntu","remove_once2")
[06:13] <therethinker> does it give a line #?
[06:13] <therethinker> Yeah
[06:13] <therethinker> you're trying to get a setting that isn't set
[06:13] <foxbuntu> line 453
[06:13] <foxbuntu> but thats prob pointing to my code
[06:13] <foxbuntu> above
[06:13] <foxbuntu> which i have not added to the branch as of yet
[06:13] <therethinker> No
[06:14] <therethinker> the problem is  trying to get a setting that isn't set
[06:14] <therethinker> self.config.get("mythbuntu","remove_once2")
[06:14] <therethinker> "remove_once2"
[06:14] <therethinker> needs to be set
[06:14] <foxbuntu> right
[06:14] <foxbuntu> where?
[06:15] <therethinker> Well, why are you using it if its not set?
[06:15] <therethinker> :P
[06:15] <foxbuntu> therethinker, where do i set it?
[06:16] <foxbuntu> ugh
[06:16] <therethinker> Why are you using it if its not set
[06:16] <therethinker> its like an option
[06:16] <therethinker> Did you add it in there?
[06:16] <foxbuntu> an option where?
[06:16] <therethinker> self.config.get("mythbuntu","remove_once2")
[06:17] <therethinker> that means get the config. value for "remove_once2"
[06:17] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:17] <therethinker> did you add that line
[06:17] <foxbuntu> yes
[06:17] <therethinker> Then you need to set the value somewherelse
[06:18] <therethinker> self.config.set("mythbuntu","remove_once2","VALUE_WHATEVER")
[06:18] <foxbuntu> therethinker, silly me...looking at the wrong file...
[06:18] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:19] <therethinker> :P
[06:19] <therethinker> $slap foxbuntu
[06:19] <therethinker> Oh, right >_>
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #150437 in mythbuntu "Mythweb link missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150437
[06:22] <pdragon> alright... having a brain fart. i remember back in alpha 4 i changed the style of the menus and stuff that popup when you change the channel
[06:23] <pdragon> can't find where that was
[06:23] <pdragon> the thing that shows the short program description
[06:23] <MitoTranin> frontend setup >  general  > apperances?
[06:24] <pdragon> yeah, i'm looking there. found the theme change, but that just changes the mythtv frontent them
[06:24] <pdragon> the menu and stuff
[06:24] <benlake> how do I asked apt to remove only the package specified and not anything that depends on it?
[06:25] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, it's the same place, it's just the OSD that you want to change
[06:25] <tgm4883_laptop> benlake, i don't think you can
[06:25] <tgm4883_laptop> why would you want to?
[06:25] <benlake> cause I'm going to manually install the package
[06:26] <foxbuntu> superm1, I know your busy, but I have something that ought to be easy, ... the section "mythbuntu" in core.py, where do I set settings for that at?
[06:26] <MitoTranin> benlake: tgm4883_laptop, I think you can, but you have to use dpkg not apt... but yeah... why would you want to?
[06:26] <pdragon> ahhh... thanks tgm!
[06:26] <benlake> I want to swap the package I'm using, but when I try to remove the package I wish to swap it wants to remove all this other stuff
[06:26] <tgm4883_laptop> benlake, are you installing from source
[06:26] <benlake> I'm building a new package from source, yes
[06:26] <superm1> foxbuntu, there is 2 functions used for populating the default settings and then querying the state of everything
[06:27] <superm1> look at the code, and you will see the function that sets everything up
[06:27] <superm1> it has tons of 'sets'
[06:27] <foxbuntu> k
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> benlake, i'd check into dpkg, although I still am not sure if you can.  If you're building a deb for it, you should just be able to update it without removing the package
[06:27] <benlake> tgm4883_laptop: hmm, alright
[06:31] <therethinker> I'm going to go punch grass
[06:31] <therethinker> Its late
[06:44] <MitoTranin> anyone here familiar with installing with xfs?
[06:44] <MitoTranin> if you do xfs, do you need a 100mb ext3 partition still?
[06:44] <MitoTranin> for /boot that is?
[06:45] <pdragon> actually, i read about that
[06:46] <pdragon> i saw someone recommended xfs just for the recording directory(s)
[06:46] <pdragon> use ext3 for the os
[06:46] <pdragon> i did a 50mb partition for /
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, pdragon, what irc clients do you use?
[06:46] <pdragon> irssi
[06:47] <pdragon> actually running it on my mythbuntu box and ssh into it
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> can one of you try '/msg chanserv help register' for me
[06:47] <pdragon> MitoTranin: then i made a swap parition and the rest of it the xfs partition
[06:48] <pdragon> woo... chanserv spam
[06:48] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I have to say I am impressed with myself here...I am already past compile errors on my m-c-c feature
[06:48] <pdragon> MitoTranin: so my box is: 50gb ext3, 1gb swap, 199gb xfs
[06:49] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: I use pidgin right now actually
[06:50] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop:  yeah, I can do whatever... what portion are you looking for?
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> sec, it seems to be responding to me now
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150444 in mythbuntu "Guided install not using xfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150444
[06:53] <foxbuntu> therethinker, do you know in m-c-c how to apply changes in the code?
[06:53] <foxbuntu> therethinker, right now when I apply my new feature checkbox it says nothing has changed
[06:55] <pdragon> later all
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150445 in mythbuntu "Fresh install not up-to-date" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150445
[07:12] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am to a place with the code that I will need your help when you have some time
[07:12] <benlake> ok guys, explain this one... my monitor has just gone to sleep in the middle of a movie :P
[07:13] <foxbuntu> benlake, its DPMS
[07:13] <foxbuntu> or gnome-screensaver
[07:13] <benlake> i don't have gnome installed, and I had DPMS on on my gentoo myth box and this didn't happen
[07:13] <foxbuntu> did you convert a ubuntu-desktop to Mythbuntu?
[07:13] <benlake> nope.
[07:13] <benlake> fresh from an iso
[07:14] <foxbuntu> benlake, ok, try this...
[07:14] <foxbuntu> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:14] <benlake> I can still pause, play, fast forward the movie... fyi
[07:14] <foxbuntu> scroll to your Monitor section
[07:14] <MitoTranin> fyi to all, today's woot item might be of interest...
[07:14] <MitoTranin> http://www.woot.com/
[07:15] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, wow
[07:15] <foxbuntu> decent price
[07:16] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, you know if that supports linux?
[07:17] <benlake> can I replace a Haupagge 350 with that?
[07:17] <MitoTranin> looking right now
[07:17] <MitoTranin> benlake: that card is HDTV
[07:17] <MitoTranin> so you wouldn't want to
[07:17] <foxbuntu> benlake, comment out the DPMS line in your xorg.conf
[07:17] <benlake> it says SD as well
[07:17] <foxbuntu> then restart x
[07:17] <MitoTranin> (HDTV cards record the pure data stream, which means zero hardware encoding)
[07:17] <foxbuntu> try it again after that
[07:17] <benlake> foxbuntu: aight.. wont that leave my monitor on when I leave it be for a while?
[07:17] <MitoTranin> which means it's great for HDTV, but terrible for regular tv
[07:18] <foxbuntu> benlake, no, there is still a screen-saver
[07:18] <foxbuntu> DPMS is just another one
[07:18] <benlake> MitoTranin: awe, darn... over the air HD isn't appealing to me
[07:18] <foxbuntu> mythbuntu installs gnome-ss as I recall becuase MythTV requires it
[07:18] <benlake> foxbuntu: alright, I'll give it a try
[07:19] <benlake> foxbuntu: I'm guessing I can tweak the ss settings with the apps provided by mythbuntu?
[07:19] <foxbuntu> via the Xfce desktop I think
[07:19] <MitoTranin> well, this site will tell you what you should be able to catch: AntennaWeb: http://antennaweb.org/
[07:19] <foxbuntu> We just switched to Xfce and I am not as familiar
[07:20] <benlake> glad you did, I like Xfce... even though my experiences with Xubuntu are not good
[07:20] <superm1> benlake, if you are using mplayer google how to disable screensaver with it.
[07:20] <superm1> foxbuntu, i can't get into any in depth code debugging.  sorry.
[07:20] <benlake> superm1: and I guess I'd want to set that as my default player in myth settings
[07:20] <superm1> benlake, what player are you using?
[07:21] <superm1> internal?
[07:21] <benlake> whatever is with the default install, haven't tweaked that
[07:21] <benlake> I'd assume mplayer of xine
[07:21] <superm1> No
[07:21] <superm1> internal is the default player
[07:21] <benlake> wth is "internal" ? :P
[07:21] <superm1> did the screen "fade" to black?
[07:21] <superm1> or just go black
[07:21] <superm1> instantly
[07:22] <superm1> Internal uses mythtv to play back video files
[07:22] <benlake> cursor popped up, then black
[07:22] <benlake> dont remember a fade
[07:22] <superm1> Ok so gnome-screensaver stuff still isn't fixed.
[07:22] <superm1> hm
[07:22] <benlake> :P
[07:22] <superm1> well for now close mythtv, go to the Applications menu
[07:22] <benlake> glad I could help
[07:22] <superm1> and pick system
[07:22] <superm1> and pick screensaver settings
[07:22] <superm1> and you can turn it off there
[07:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, I know...I don't really need debug help, more placement, its no longer broke, it just does nothing now. So whenever you have time,...even if it takes a bit...I will hack away at it for now
[07:22] <superm1> can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[07:23] <MitoTranin> superm1: someone (I think pdragon|out) was saying that the screensaver stuff is fixed for tv and recordings, but not for video playback
[07:23] <superm1> that's what i thought.
[07:23] <superm1> but he was using mplayer
[07:23] <superm1> not Internal
[07:23] <MitoTranin> no, he said he was using whatever was default
[07:23] <superm1> which is what would make this whole thing rather confusing.
[07:23] <superm1> mplayer isn't default afaik.  in his bug report he said he was using mplayer
[07:24] <MitoTranin> (1:20:59 AM) superm1: benlake, what player are you using?
[07:24] <MitoTranin> (1:21:03 AM) superm1: internal?
[07:24] <MitoTranin> (1:21:18 AM) benlake: whatever is with the default install, haven't tweaked that
[07:24] <superm1> right
[07:24] <superm1> oh i should specify who i mean
[07:24] <MitoTranin> which to me wouldn't mean mplayer
[07:24] <superm1> pdragon|out, was using mplayer
[07:24] <MitoTranin> Oh!
[07:24] <superm1> according to bug report or post
[07:24] <MitoTranin> gotcha
[07:24] <superm1> or wherever that was that i saw that today
[07:24] <MitoTranin> sorry, carry on :)
[07:24] <superm1> whereas benlake was using Internal from what it appears
[07:25] <superm1> unless somehow when mplayer is installed (as it is by default), got chosen
[07:25] <benlake> yeah I didn't have a screen saver on the gentoo setup
[07:25] <benlake> the DPMS worked dandy
[07:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, think we could change the default in myth so people don't have to use internal?
[07:25] <superm1> internal actually works very well
[07:25] <superm1> in 0.20.2
[07:25] <benlake> myth from source on gentoo used mplayer as default...
[07:25] <superm1> really.
[07:25] <benlake> reary
[07:26] <benlake> 6utopia6
[07:26] <superm1> okay well can you go into mythtv settings and double check mythvideo's player?
[07:26] <superm1> and see what it is set as
[07:26] <benlake> how about I just type passwords in IRC
[07:26] <foxbuntu> superm1, guess I haven't used Internal in a long time
[07:26] <foxbuntu> benlake, glad the DPMS worked
[07:26] <superm1> foxbuntu, the only thing i dont like with regard to internal is how it scales the OSD
[07:26] <superm1> otherwise it works great and you get the same interface as your used to in the rest of myth
[07:26] <benlake> foxbuntu: no no, I mean I'm going to leave it on
[07:26] <MitoTranin> benlake: might I suggest some password changing be in order?  :)
[07:27] <foxbuntu> benlake, oh
[07:27] <benlake> foxbuntu: I disabled the screensaver, that is the issue
[07:27] <foxbuntu> benlake, gotcha
[07:27] <benlake> MitoTranin: indeed, but you have no idea what its too :P
[07:27] <MitoTranin> something with a username of reary :)
[07:27] <MitoTranin> lol
[07:28] <benlake> hey superm1, my player command is: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s
[07:28] <superm1> well fancy that.  mplayer is indeed default
[07:28] <benlake> :P
[07:28] <superm1> crazyness.
[07:28] <benlake> mplayer works VERY well over the network
[07:28] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am just impressed that m-c-c still launches with all my code in there :)
[07:28] <superm1> i wonder why that is. i swear Internal was default at one point
[07:29] <superm1> benlake, well there is a bug report from today against eitehr mythbuntu/mythtv/mythplugins
[07:29] <superm1> that pdragon|out made
[07:29] <superm1> the solution is posted in there
[07:29] <benlake> can you do a search from MythVideo / Gallery?
[07:29] <superm1> we need to have a workaround put in place though otherwise
[07:29] <superm1> either make Internal the default player on new installs or ship with mplayer's config somehow disabled
[07:29] <benlake> superm1: for the screen saver thing?
[07:29] <superm1> *screensaver
[07:29] <foxbuntu> superm1, the default for dvd playback is internal
[07:29] <superm1> yeah
[07:32] <superm1> benlake, perhaps this is why screensaver isn't turned off by default https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/+bug/108785
[07:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108785 in mplayer "gmplayer says 'gnome_screensaver_control()'" [Undecided,New]
[07:36] <benlake> hehe
[07:36] <benlake> why bother with a screen saver?
[07:36] <benlake> DPMS does just fine?
[07:36] <benlake> s/?/.
[07:36] <benlake> I suppose DPMS isn't really configurable though...
[07:38] <MitoTranin> benlake: it's prettier to look at pictures or fun stuff than it is to look at a menu and let it burn-in, or to have it go to a black screen....
[07:38] <MitoTranin> remember, majority use is with TV's, not monitors that can actually turn off
[07:38] <benlake> burn-in :P
[07:38] <MitoTranin> TV's can't turn-off on idle...
[07:38] <benlake> oh well... hmm ...
[07:39] <benlake> is that what the stats say?
[07:39] <benlake> most people use SD TVs?
[07:40] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: re the woot.com card:  look for it to hit this page: http://wootlinux.blogspot.com/
[07:40] <benlake> I tried that a few years ago... couldn't handle the horrible TV resolution
[07:40] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I just let my TV go black
[07:40] <MitoTranin> I knew I'd seen this page somewhere but didn't have it bookmarked because I wasn't home when I saw it
[07:40] <benlake> awe well, you guys will likely here from me on and off while I break this install in :P
[07:40] <MitoTranin> it reviews the items on woot.com and tells if they're compatible with linux or not
[07:41] <benlake> I will say kudos to everyone, it was a much less painful experience to get up and running than the gentoo install...
[07:41] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, thanks, bookmarked
[07:41] <foxbuntu> benlake, thanks
[07:41] <MitoTranin> the only thing is that you have to hope that it doesn't get sold-out before they review it!
[07:41] <benlake> and will be much easier to maintain
[07:42] <benlake> which is why I switched, I admin a number of ubuntu servers, so I maintainability is key
[07:43] <benlake> off to finish this movie, cheers
[07:45] <foxbuntu> superm1, did you want me to do something yet with bug 140272 ?
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140272 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Nova-T 500 kernel module dvb-usb-dib0700 requires options for LNA activation." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140272
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150450 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in RingBuffer::isDVD()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150450
[07:46] <superm1> i don't even know exactly how that can be resolved at this point
[07:46] <foxbuntu> superm1, or should I just kill it since there is no support for it in lirc.hwdb
[07:46] <superm1> what package needs to be fixed for it
[07:46] <superm1> well i wouldn't say kill the bug
[07:46] <superm1> because it is indeed a bug
[07:46] <superm1> if you can figure out what package ships the most appropriate file to add that to in /etc/modprobe.d
[07:47] <superm1> that would be good
[07:47] <foxbuntu> well, lirc is effected by it, the kernel modules are effected
[07:47] <superm1> well that is different than the kernel modules though
[07:47] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok, so I need to find that module
[07:47] <superm1> the kernel modules for the card do ship indeed
[07:47] <superm1> its just the lircd.conf that doesn't
[07:48] <foxbuntu> superm1, could I add the lircd.conf to the package and edit the lirc.hwdb for it?
[07:48] <superm1> foxbuntu, no lirc is hard frozen
[07:48] <foxbuntu> ok
[07:49] <foxbuntu> superm1, btw have you heard the FCC finally set a date on transition to HDTV
[07:50] <foxbuntu> 2/17/2009
[07:50] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok, I will see about tracking down info on this bug
[07:53] <foxbuntu> superm1, night
[07:53] <superm1> night
[08:04] <DiggThis> superm1: has the hash sum mismatch being fixed?
[08:04] <superm1> DiggThis, pick a different mirror if you are still getting it
[08:04] <superm1> its not a bug in mythbuntu
[08:04] <superm1> just mirror.cs.umn.edu had issues
[08:04] <superm1> or has been havign issues
[08:04] <MitoTranin> DiggThis: to fix it you can change the update sources
[08:05] <DiggThis> k. tell me how please guys
[08:05] <superm1> although 0.20.2-0ubuntu9 of mythtv should hit the mirror soon anyway, and that will likely refresh all their hashes
[08:05] <MitoTranin> go to the applications menu, system, software sources, then change the "download from" to one of the other two options
[08:05] <superm1> MitoTranin, too quick for me :)
[08:06] <MitoTranin> :)
[08:06] <DiggThis> i have mAIN server or server for australia. any differences??
[08:06] <MitoTranin> well... main server is in us I believe
[08:07] <MitoTranin> the one in australia is... closer to you?
[08:07] <DiggThis> guess so. speed wise?? same you reckon?
[08:07] <MitoTranin> try the australia one, if you still get it (which I doubt you will) then try the main
[08:07] <DiggThis> k
[08:07] <DiggThis> thx
[08:08] <MitoTranin> it's always best to grab the one closest to you geographically if possible
[08:08] <MitoTranin> less strain on the internet overall
[08:08] <MitoTranin> (not like it's really THAT big of a deal though)
[08:08] <DiggThis> thx mitotranin and superm1 for input.
[08:08] <MitoTranin> np
[08:09] <MitoTranin> I tried to catch you last time I saw you in the channel but you left too soon
[08:09] <DiggThis> lol. time diff im in australia...
[08:10] <MitoTranin> just a little....     (2:09:54 AM)
[08:10] <MitoTranin> which of course means... it's time for bed for me
[08:11] <MitoTranin> superm1: when is that meeting where you were going to talk to the ubuntu people about the plextor tuner?
[08:11] <superm1> i'm going to see if i can discuss thing at the developers summit
[08:11] <MitoTranin> if it's a ways off, I think I might try to get it working tomorrow and see how big of a pain it is, etc
[08:11] <superm1> end of month
[08:11] <superm1> yeah its about 3 weeks off
[08:11] <MitoTranin> hmm... ok, cool, thanks
[08:11] <DiggThis> Also b4 you go or superm1 if ya know..i recently downloaded a prop vid driver and now the screen is not 'filled' anymore. how to fix this?
[08:11] <superm1> if you can get any more input before then
[08:11] <superm1> then that'd be great
[08:12] <superm1> 'filled'?
[08:12] <MitoTranin> well I'll see what I can do
[08:12] <MitoTranin> probably meaning blank space on the edges
[08:13] <MitoTranin> night all
[08:13] <DiggThis> like 16:9 on vesa driver strectched to 16:10 now that is not the case
[08:13] <superm1> well checkout your proprietary driver configuration utility
[08:13] <superm1> nvidia-settings or amdcccle
[08:14] <DiggThis> im using ati what setting would i look for?
[08:14] <superm1> well i dont knopw
[08:14] <superm1> you'll have to look at the utility
[08:14] <DiggThis> k
[08:14] <DiggThis> its only in mythtv which is weird...
[08:15] <superm1> change your display type in mythtv
[08:15] <superm1> in settings->appearance
[08:16] <DiggThis> ill try it might be not able to do it which sux big time...
[08:18] <DiggThis> superm1: do u think if i can't do it i should return to vesa or stay with prop anyway?
[08:18] <superm1> prop
[08:18] <superm1> highly recommend it instead
[08:18] <superm1> much better performance
[08:19] <DiggThis> k
[08:19] <DiggThis> hopefully there is a resolution
[08:20] <DiggThis> superm1: that wiki you gave me last time was there anything in there that would have changed it you reckon??
[08:20] <superm1> i dont know what wiki i gave you before.
[08:20] <superm1> which one?
[08:21] <DiggThis> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[08:21] <superm1> didn't i link you to the gutsy one?
[08:22] <superm1> nothing in that guide would have changed though for regard to aspect ratio stuff.
[08:22] <superm1> i really think you just need to change the setting in mythtv
[08:22] <superm1> so that your display aspect ratio is properly represented
[08:22] <DiggThis> k
[08:28] <DiggThis> superm1: have another prob. after upgrading to prop mythtv not rendering properly and crashing back to login. what do i do?
[08:28] <superm1> look over logs and see if you can figure out why it's happening.
[08:28] <superm1> ~/.xsession-errors
[08:29] <superm1> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[08:29] <superm1> and /var/log/syslog
[08:29] <superm1> and /var/log/messages
[08:29] <superm1> etc
[08:30] <DiggThis> do u think i should just wait till support is built into gutsy for my card instead?
[08:31] <DiggThis> superm1: i would not know what to look for in logs
[08:31] <superm1> DiggThis, well your call
[08:32] <superm1> if you post them on the forums people can work with you on it
[08:32] <superm1> that's why we opened up the mythbuntu forums
[08:32] <DiggThis> k
[08:33] <DiggThis> superm1: is there a gutsy page that tells what cards are supported as of now?
[08:34] <superm1> not right now
[08:34] <superm1> i dont think at least
[08:35] <DiggThis> superm1: what about the cards that the current driver supports - same deal?
[08:35] <superm1> what do you mean?
[08:35] <superm1> about a list of supported card?
[08:35] <DiggThis> yes
[08:35] <superm1> i dont know at all
[08:35] <superm1> sorry dude.
[08:35] <DiggThis> thats k. thanks for input anyway
[09:27] <superm1> pdragon|out, okay so i fixed your screensaver issue with mplayer.  it was actually a bug already reported a few times.  bug 95038 bug 139770 bug 65165 bug 146307 were all related
[09:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95038 in mplayer "mplayer with default wrong config ...and screensaver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95038
[09:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139770
[09:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65165 in mplayer "default video output is xmga" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65165
[09:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146307 in mplayer "[Gutsy]  Mplayer uses xmga instead of xv as standard output" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146307
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134818 in lirc (main) "wrong permissions on /etc/lirc" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134818
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #150480 in lirc (main) "Lirc should start earlier" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150480
[12:00] <laga> re
[01:07] <elmargol> Can I use mythtv over a full featured dvb-s?
[01:10] <laga> you won't be able to use its tv-out
[01:10] <laga> or mpeg decoder
[01:10] <elmargol> tv-out
[01:11] <elmargol> Atm i use VDr wich works finde
[01:11] <elmargol> but they don't make progress :(
[01:11] <directhex|work> mythtv is a veryy different type of project to VDR
[01:12] <elmargol> I search something to enjoy video podcasts on my tv
[01:12] <elmargol> since i don't have windows or OSX I can't use apple tv
[01:13] <directhex|work> myth is moving further away from simple 2d framebuffer output, not closer. don't ever expect video output on a fully featured dvb-s card
[01:13] <directhex|work> even linuxtv's wiki tells you in no uncertain terms that they're a bad purchase
[01:14] <elmargol> Well my tv has no dvi/hdmi/or vda input
[01:19] <directhex|work> so use s-video out. which practically every graphics card has had for five years or more
[01:21] <elmargol> no video card...
[01:22] <laga> we can't help you then.
[01:22] <elmargol> okay
[01:22] <hugolp> how do you use a compter without video card?
[01:22] <laga> dont ask.
[01:23] <laga> some people make me wanna bang my head against a wall.
[01:23] <hugolp> XD
[01:27] <directhex|work> it's part of the VDR design philosophy
[01:27] <directhex|work> it's really a single-use project
[01:28] <laga> i know
[01:28] <directhex|work> for single-use machines
[01:28] <laga> i'm german, so i've heard all about VDR and then some...
[01:28] <hugolp> but how can you see whats on the screen without video card?
[01:28] <directhex|work> hugol1, "fully featured" dvb-s cards have a crude tv-out
[01:28] <directhex|work> like a pvr-350
[01:28] <hugolp> I see, so you use that
[03:31] <laga> morning superm1
[03:35] <Daviey> frink_: ping
[03:37] <bendailey> wow 2126 hits for the i386 iso
[03:41] <hugol1> bendailey:  one question, if I install ubuntu gutsy and then the mythtv repositories packages is the same as installing mythbuntu? if not, what difference?
[03:42] <bendailey> hugol1: It is not the same because the mythbuntu uses xfce as a the desktop by default if you do gutsy first you will have a gnome desktop
[03:42] <bendailey> there are also other package differences
[03:42] <hugol1> ok, and besides that?
[03:42] <hugol1> I mean at mythtv level
[03:43] <bendailey> at mythtv level there should be no difference
[03:43] <samson--> i'd also check the post install scripts from the mythbuntu install disk to see what other magic it does
[03:43] <hugol1> conserning strickly mythtv what difference are there?
[03:43] <hugol1> ok thanks
[04:00] <laga> re
[04:01] <samson--> re2thee
[04:01] <laga> bendailey: you can turn ubuntu gutsy into a mythbuntu + xfce thingamjic using mythbuntu-control-centre
[04:01] <laga> hi samson--
[04:01] <laga> and at mythtv level, there is no difference. exact the same packages,.
[04:03] <bendailey> laga: thanks
[04:07] <laga> ok, maybe we're including the weekly -fixes builds on our mythbuntu beta disk, but it's not a big difference
[04:12] <MitoTranin> laga, and FYI to you: http://www.woot.com/
[04:12] <MitoTranin> not sure if it works with linux or not though
[04:19] <laga> thanks
[04:19] <laga> but, FYI: i'm not in north american so i dont do ATSC
[04:33] <therethinker> good morning #ubuntu-mythtv!
[04:36] <laga> morning therethinker
[04:37] <pdragon> pinnacle stuff on windows is horrid (least it was last time i tried to set it up for someone).
[04:37] <pdragon> wouldn't trust it to be any better in linux
[04:38] <pdragon> least on a blind purchase without any review of it
[04:55] <laga> !launchpad
[04:55] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[04:55] <laga> therethinker: where is the bot?
[04:57] <pdragon> he got put in the corner
[04:58] <therethinker> bots not here right now
[04:59] <laga> i just found out that i had the left and right speaker reversed :/
[04:59] <pdragon> want to put the gutsy countdown script on our page? http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown  :)
[05:01] <therethinker> Okay, I think he's ready
[05:02] <therethinker> *duhh duhh duhduhduhduhhhh duhh*
[05:02] <therethinker> Oh right now, this is how it works
[05:02] <therethinker> If it doesn't know something, it will search wikipedia for it
[05:03] <therethinker> then it will say !____, to check ubotu's bank
[05:03] <therethinker> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux. Wikipedia: "Linux (IPA pronunciation: /lnks/, lin-uks) is a Unix-like computer operating system." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Ubotu says...
[05:03] <therethinker> !linux
[05:03] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:03] <therethinker> But if it knows, then its just that...
[05:03] <therethinker> should I disable wikipedia and/or ubotu?
[05:04] <laga> uh
[05:04] <laga> how do i query it?
[05:04] <laga> not sure if i understand
[05:04] <therethinker> Its not in here right now
[05:04] <therethinker> Oh, you use the $ instead of !
[05:04] <laga> oh, cool.
[05:04] <laga> sounds good to me
[05:05] <therethinker> it also knows some other commands
[05:05] <laga> can you bring it in here for a test?
[05:05] <therethinker> Sure
[05:05] <therethinker> *presses big red button*
[05:05] <therethinker> Err... I think it may have been banned :P
[05:06] <therethinker> $mythbuntu
[05:06] <mythbot2> Mythbuntu is a flavor of Ubuntu that has MythTV programs preinstalled.
[05:06] <laga> $boobies
[05:06] <mythbot2> Sorry, I don't know anything about boobies. Wikipedia: "Booby (pl." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boobies Ubotu says...
[05:06] <mythbot2> !boobies
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boobies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <laga> rotfl
[05:06] <therethinker> :P
[05:06] <laga> that's a bit chatty.
[05:07] <laga> hum
[05:07] <therethinker> Yeah, so it kinda spams a bit... but I don't know how I can do it less
[05:07] <therethinker> !linux Sorry, I don't know anything about
[05:07] <laga> can we redirect output into a query for specific users?
[05:07] <laga> like !launchpad | therethinker
[05:07] <therethinker> I'm trying to figure that out...
[05:08] <therethinker> !help
[05:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:11] <therethinker> so yeah, it can send privates
[05:12] <laga> how
[05:13] <therethinker> I'm adding the feature
[05:13] <therethinker> but it has the ability
[05:14] <laga> k
[05:15] <tgm4883> Daviey, ping
[05:16] <therethinker> OKay, it can now send stuff
[05:16] <therethinker> I gotta restart it though
[05:16] <therethinker> it uses pipes, just like ubotu
[05:17] <laga> yay
[05:21] <therethinker> $laga | therethinker
[05:21] <therethinker> hmm... I got nothin
[05:22] <therethinker> $laga|laga
[05:22] <therethinker> did you get anything?
[05:22] <pdragon> $laga | therethinker
[05:22] <therethinker> $laga
[05:22] <therethinker> ah, that's the problem :P
[05:22] <tgm4883> broke it again
[05:22] <laga> $laga
[05:22] <therethinker> I CTRL+C'd it
[05:22] <laga> $boobies
[05:22] <laga> heh
[05:22] <tgm4883> mythbot takes alot of breaks, reminds me of someone at work
[05:23] <therethinker> :P
[05:23] <therethinker> I went to restart mythbot, and I restarted my webs erver by mistake :P
[05:23] <therethinker> $laga
[05:23] <therethinker> Okay, I'm going to go beat him up in my private room
[05:23] <therethinker> #mythbot-testing...
[05:23] <therethinker> hardly private
[05:24] <therethinker> #mythbot-test , sorry
[05:24] <tgm4883> laga, Daviey, now that the dev channel is registered, we need to get Seveas to copy ubotu there, and then have all bugs reported there rather than in #ubuntu-mythtv
[05:25] <therethinker> Oh, we have a dev channel now?
[05:25] <tgm4883> yea but you're locked out :)
[05:26] <therethinker> Whyyy D:
[05:26] <tgm4883> j/k, it's not totally setup yet
[05:26] <tgm4883> and not alot of people know about it so it consists of 3 people
[05:27] <tgm4883> but laga's ignoring me anyway so he doesn't have to do more work for it ;)
[05:27] <therethinker> OKay, I'm going to go
[05:27] <therethinker> have fun
[05:27] <laga> o_O
[05:28] <therethinker> (the whole pipe thing doesn't work, but the normal stuff will)
[05:28] <benlake> is mythfilldatabase responsible for setting the channel call signs?
[05:28] <therethinker> sorry, I said "have fun", and I didn't mean to type it... but it came out :P
[05:46] <bendailey> laga: way to break mythtv Ticket #4065 :)
[05:48] <directhex|work> laga, what sound card are you using?
[07:29] <tgm4883_laptop> frink_, any updating on the rsync?
[07:38] <pdragon> trying to do the channel icons and found this bug was reported: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4047
[07:38] <pdragon> where do i find Myth.pm to edit that function?
[07:40] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So what is the default layout for Mythbuntu?  I would need to know to develop the little icon flourishes and such.
[07:40] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The 'basic' install includes how many subpages and menu items etc?
[07:44] <cann_> iam geting "alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1242:(snd_pcm_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed : no such file or directory" after a new install when running mplayer. anyone else got this problem ?
[07:47] <pdragon> not i
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, Daviey, did you guys get my earlier message?
[08:07] <camelreef> good evening all
[08:08] <camelreef> laga, are you there?
[08:15] <deffcon2101> laga / superm1 ?
[08:16] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 isn't going to be around for a while, something you needed?
[08:18] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop & tgm4883: pong
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, we need to get ubotu copied over to the dev channel and have it report bugs there not here
[08:19] <Daviey> sure
[08:20] <deffcon2101> yes a question, with the beta 1 why do i get the question to fill in a password for mythbuntu control centre every time my system starts up
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> so can you bug seveas? to do that?
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> deffcon2101, bug?
[08:21] <deffcon2101> is it a bug already did someone report this before?
[08:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i've not heard of the problem before
[08:21] <deffcon2101> are there people running the beta already?
[08:22] <pdragon> <---
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> deffcon2101, lots should be
[08:24] <pdragon> tgm4883_laptop: you wouldn't happen to know where Myth.pm is located at do you?
[08:25] <deffcon2101> or is that just a stupid question
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, did you search for it?
[08:25] <pdragon> deffcon2101: is it a clean install? do you have anything else starting up?
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> deffcon2101, everyone running mythbuntu and that has updated is
[08:28] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: done
[08:28] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[08:28] <pdragon> tgm4883_laptop: yeah, ran a find on the whole system and nothing
[08:29] <pdragon> must be there somewhere. channel icon script runs just gives an error that there's currently a fix for. just have to edit Myth.pm
[08:30] <deffcon2101> this is fresh install of mythbuntu beta 1 and i find it strange that i have to fill in password before mythfrontend is startup up
[08:30] <pdragon> deffcon2101: are you on wireless by any chance?
[08:31] <deffcon2101> i find it strange to fill in a password overall for mythbuntu control centre, how would you do that if you have only a remote and no keyboard via vnc ? --> only numeric
[08:31] <deffcon2101> no not wireless why is that then
[08:31] <pdragon> i'd get a password dialogue in fiesty if i tryed to connect to secure wifi
[08:31] <deffcon2101> non not wifi
[08:33] <pdragon> mythbuntu control center does require a password since it needs root access. the frontend shouldn't be asking for a password, tho
[08:33] <deffcon2101> since when do you not have to fill in a password for mythbuntu control centre
[08:33] <deffcon2101> since beta 1?
[08:35] <pdragon> you still have to put in a password for mythbuntu control center in beta
[08:35] <deffcon> but why its not logical
[08:35] <pdragon> it's a program that requires root access. and you're not running as root
[08:35] <deffcon> and there is no access from lirc support for the password field in mythbuntu control centre
[08:36] <pdragon> that i'm not sure about
[08:36] <deffcon> i know for sure it doesn't work on my remote
[08:36] <deffcon> i told superm1 about this
[08:37] <laga> re
[08:37] <laga> re
[08:37] <laga> err, double-re
[08:37] <deffcon> imagine, you can do everthing with you're remote, but for mcc you need a keyboard or vnc
[08:38] <laga> directhex: i use whatever came with my mainboard, a 945p thing
[08:38] <tgm4883_laptop> deffcon, you can't control mcc from the remote
[08:38] <laga> pdragon: re MythTV:pm the perl bindings were added in the latest mythtv upload
[08:39] <pdragon> laga: i see that. i'm running into this bug now tho: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4047
[08:39] <deffcon> arggghhh
[08:40] <deffcon> that is what i mean, can we do something about that
[08:40] <laga> deffcon: yopu shouldnt be prompted for a password if the password you set for your gnome keyring is the same as your normal user pass..
[08:41] <deffcon> if you want to interest people that they can have a htpc distro and you can do everything with you remote  that is really cool, but not really cool if you want to adjust something in mcc to use a vnc session or a keyboard
[08:41] <laga> bendailey: blah.
[08:41] <bendailey> laga: blah?
[08:42] <laga> bendailey: 17:32 < bendailey> laga: way to break mythtv Ticket #4065 :)
[08:42] <laga> suwhats wrong wrt the dev channel?
[08:42] <bendailey> laga: that was you wasn't it?
[08:43] <laga> bendailey: yep
[08:43] <laga> :)
[08:43] <laga> deffcon: uh, what is wrong now?
[08:44] <pdragon> he'd like the mcc controlable with a remote
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> deffcon, it's being worked on
[08:44] <laga> not possible right now. use vnc.
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, better yet, use x forwarding
[08:44] <deffcon> ok i leave it for now then
[08:44] <laga> and we never said you can do anything with a remote. we're not stupid after all ;)
[08:44] <deffcon> yes that is an option too
[08:45] <deffcon> i'm not saying that
[08:45] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: i'd suspect that people with windows background know more about vnc
[08:47] <laga> deffcon: yeah, but we'd have to be stupid to claim that everything works with a remote :)
[08:47] <laga> since you dont have to use mcc that often, VNC is OK for now
[08:47] <laga> there are more pressing issues
[09:04] <camelreef> good evening
[09:04] <deffcon> but it is normal that mythbuntu control centre asks for a password before mythfrontends start up?
[09:05] <camelreef> thanks for the packaging that got into my machine this AM
[09:05] <camelreef> looking at getting the remote into X ?
[09:06] <camelreef> the new xorg shoudl help greatly with this -> hot-plug devices for evdev devices
[09:07] <camelreef> laga, so I got my fonts together after all
[09:08] <camelreef> anyway, gotta go
[09:40] <MitoTranin|Work> anyone good with sql?
[09:41] <pdragon> a little
[09:41] <MitoTranin|Work> is there a tool similar to diff that will compare 2 sql databases?
[09:41] <pdragon> um... no idea there
[09:42] <MitoTranin|Work> my first thought is to backup the sql to a text file and then do a diff against them
[09:42] <benlake> that is going to be a crazy diff :)
[09:42] <MitoTranin|Work> but not sure if that will work or not (a friend of mine is asking me to help him find such a solution)
[09:43] <MitoTranin|Work> benlake: yeah, that's why I am hesitant to go with that thought ...  :)
[09:43] <pdragon> did a google on "compare database contents". tons of commercial programs that will do it :p
[09:43] <pdragon> but, maybe that will give you an idea of what to look for
[09:43] <bendailey> are you looking to compare table structure or contents?
[09:43] <bendailey> benlake: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:43] <MitoTranin|Work> bendailey: again, its my friend that's doing it, so I don't know all the details, but...
[09:44] <MitoTranin|Work> they have a database, and they want to do xyz of procedures to it
[09:44] <MitoTranin|Work> then they want to compare the before and after, and see what changed
[09:44] <benlake> bendailey: why are you asking me?
[09:44] <bendailey> benlake: sorry didn't pay attention to who asked
[09:45] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: that is what LEFT and RIGHT JOINS are for do they have a primary key on the tables?
[09:46] <MitoTranin|Work> bendailey: I have no idea... I would assume so, but you know what assume gives...
[09:46] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: yep assuming is never good
[09:46] <bendailey> would you like an example of how I would tackle the problem?
[09:47] <MitoTranin|Work> that would be great...
[09:47] <MitoTranin|Work> I just sms'd him asking him to get on an IM if possible
[09:47] <MitoTranin|Work> he's at work right now though and not sure if he can
[09:48] <deffcon> is there a way to let mythweb listen to another port number
[09:48] <MitoTranin|Work> deffcon: I'm sure you could edit the httpd.conf file to do so
[09:48] <bendailey> deffcon: yes you should be able to change the Listen directive in your httpd.conf file
[09:49] <bendailey> it is probably currently Listen *:80 change it to Listen *:8088 or whatever port you want
[09:49] <bendailey> deffcon: you can have multiple Listen lines and apache will respond on multiple ports
[09:50] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: do you want the example as a pm so you don't clog the channel?
[09:50] <deffcon> thnx man this is very helpfull because i have an webserver running on another machine
[09:50] <deffcon> listening on 80
[09:50] <bendailey> are you trying to push access through from the outside via firewall?
[09:50] <MitoTranin|Work> bendailey: actually he's online and going to be getting on irc in a sec
[09:50] <deffcon> yes from outside
[09:51] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: ok great
[09:51] <bendailey> deffcon: you firewall should be able to do port translation for you
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> deffcon, couldn't you forward the port via the firewall from port 88 to port 80 of the correct machine?
[09:52] <bendailey> deffcon: the firewall should be able to respond to  8088 externally and forward to your local system on port 80
[09:53] <deffcon> on my router that is not possible, seccond option " respond to 8088 " will work
[09:54] <bendailey> deffcon: what kind of router?
[09:54] <deffcon> livebox from orange
[09:59] <Xenocide> hey guys i can't mythbuntu to install when its loading partitioner it hangs
[10:00] <MitoTranin|Work> Xenocide: I had the same problem
[10:00] <Xenocide> fix it?
[10:00] <MitoTranin|Work> install gpart while in the livecd
[10:00] <MitoTranin|Work> yea
[10:00] <MitoTranin|Work> and then use that to delete all partitions on your drive (or at least the ones you want to delete)
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> ideally, someone should write a bug report for that
[10:00] <Xenocide> ok.
[10:00] <MitoTranin|Work> then restart the computer, and install as normal
[10:01] <Xenocide> whoops i forgot to plug in my ethernet cord
[10:01] <Xenocide> hah
[10:01] <MitoTranin|Work> tgm4883_laptop: it was when I was first starting, and superm1 said that he knew about it... so I didn't bother
[10:01] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbuntu beta?
[10:01] <Xenocide> yes
[10:02] <MitoTranin|Work> yes
[10:02] <Xenocide> only one of my harddrives is showing up too.....
[10:03] <MythbuntuGuest84> ..
[10:05] <pdragon> Xenocide: are the hard drives showing up in the BIOS?
[10:06] <Xenocide> yes
[10:06] <Xenocide> i just deleted the partions on the one that showedup
[10:06] <Xenocide> i was having graphics problems too so im booting back up in safemode
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest84?
[10:06] <Xenocide> now i just got a can't access tty error
[10:07] <pdragon> tgm4883_laptop: he didn't have much to say apparently
[10:09] <tgm4883_laptop> arg, someone needs to copy onenote
[10:10] <tgm4883_laptop> virtualbox seemless mode is kinda flaky
[10:10] <Xenocide> i agree!
[10:10] <Xenocide> only reason i run vista on my tablet is because of that
[10:10] <Xenocide> i have an x60t
[10:10] <tgm4883_laptop> i run it in a vm
[10:10] <Xenocide> i LOVE it
[10:13] <Xenocide> it only sees one disk...ill install like that for now
[10:13] <Xenocide> but if i do guided im assuming its setup to do xfs and all that jazz
[10:13] <pdragon> no
[10:13] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[10:13] <Xenocide> no?
[10:14] <Xenocide> well its hanging anyways...
[10:14] <Xenocide> piece of shit
[10:14] <tgm4883_laptop> currently it's the gutsy standard one
[10:15] <pdragon> problem?
[10:15] <tgm4883_laptop> eh
[10:15] <Xenocide> still won't partition
[10:15] <tgm4883_laptop> all the "ESL" students in the class get to use a dictionary on the tests
[10:16] <tgm4883_laptop> kinda bugs me
[10:16] <pdragon> what class? english? :p
[10:16] <Xenocide> if i install with an alpha4 disk will i have less bugs? .lol
[10:16] <tgm4883_laptop> Java programming 2
[10:16] <pdragon> ahh
[10:16] <Xenocide> i thought the instlaler worked on that one..
[10:16] <pdragon> Xenocide: most likely not
[10:16] <Xenocide> shitty i cna't even install it...
[10:16] <tgm4883_laptop> Xenocide, have you tried updating?
[10:17] <Xenocide> from live cd?
[10:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[10:17] <Xenocide> i can try
[10:17] <Xenocide> my video is all messed up too
[10:17] <tgm4883_laptop> that will give you the newest installer
[10:17] <Xenocide> only see half the screen
[10:17] <Xenocide> hopefully i have enough ram to update
[10:17] <tgm4883_laptop> how much?
[10:18] <Xenocide> 1gb
[10:18] <Xenocide> should be
[10:18] <tgm4883_laptop> definetly
[10:18] <pdragon> in safe graphics mode? i have trouble in normal myself
[10:18] <Xenocide> safe mode crached
[10:18] <Xenocide> crashed
[10:19] <Xenocide> haha was too lazy to install xchat and navigated away there
[10:21] <pdragon> just as something else to test... tried running memtest86 to make sure your memory is ok?
[10:22] <Xenocide> used this machine last year in feiesty for myth ran great
[10:22] <pdragon> there's a much newer version out than what's included on the ubuntu disks
[10:22] <Xenocide> been sitting in my closet
[10:22] <pdragon> ahh ok
[10:22] <Xenocide> finally pulled it out since i got a chance to mount my new 32" lcd on the wall :)
[10:22] <Xenocide> little over half way done updating
[10:22] <pdragon> did you say alpha worked ok?
[10:23] <Xenocide> i installed it on another machine for mario just to see if it worked i thinik
[10:23] <foxbuntu> brb
[10:23] <Xenocide> awhile ago
[10:23] <pdragon> well, you've exhausted my newb knowledge :)
[10:24] <Xenocide> its trying to configure mythtv database
[10:24] <Xenocide> i guess it doesn' tmatter since im gonna install....
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> theres another option if a gutsy disk will work
[10:26] <Xenocide> alt install?
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> yea something like that
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> basically installing a command line system
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> installing xfce4
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> then mcc
[10:27] <Xenocide> yea
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> err
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> command line
[10:27] <Xenocide> PIA though
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> then apt-get mythbuntu-desktop
[10:29] <Xenocide> i was tottaly right
[10:29] <Xenocide> ran out of space d urin gupdate
[10:29] <Xenocide> ill try it anyways
[10:29] <Xenocide> just to see if it iwll work
[10:30] <Xenocide> installed half the shit
[10:30] <Xenocide> still hung at scannign disks
[10:31] <Xenocide> can in install comman dline system from this mythbuntu disk?
[10:31] <rhpot1991> does anyone know if mythtv.pm is something new not in the mythbuntu repos or is my path somehow screwed up?
[10:32] <MitoTranin|Work> Xenocide: no, you'd have to do the alternate install from the standard Ubuntu Gutsy disk
[10:32] <Xenocide> damn
[10:32] <MitoTranin|Work> install it as command-line, and then apt-get the rest of the install
[10:32] <Xenocide> i might have one sitting around
[10:32] <Xenocide> old alpha version
[10:32] <Xenocide> but baseline system that would be good enough
[10:33] <MitoTranin|Work> yeah
[10:33] <MitoTranin|Work> because the apt-get of the mythbuntu stuff would update the rest
[10:36] <Xenocide> i have some old alt install disk
[10:36] <Xenocide> im not sure if its feisty or gutsy
[10:36] <pdragon> rhpot1991: which error are you getting?
[10:36] <pdragon> rhpot1991: you trying to run the channel icon script?
[10:37] <MitoTranin|Work> I'm not sure if feisty would work... never tried it
[10:37] <Xenocide> how can i install a baseline system form a live disk
[10:37] <MitoTranin|Work> tgm4883_laptop: any ideas on the feisty thing?
[10:37] <rhpot1991> I was working on this script: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ipod_export
[10:37] <rhpot1991> error: Can't locate MythTV.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/bin/ipodexport.pl line 19.
[10:37] <tgm4883_laptop> feisty would theoritacally work
[10:38] <Xenocide> well hell
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> but i dont recommend it if your doing a fresh install anyway
[10:38] <rhpot1991> I sem to recall mythtv.pm being something from svn maybe?
[10:38] <pdragon> rhpot1991: are you running beta?
[10:38] <Xenocide> ill just burn a mini iso to cdrw
[10:38] <Xenocide> and install that
[10:38] <rhpot1991> Im just running the mythbuntu weekly builds
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> you could install feisty, then upgrade it to gutsy
[10:38] <pdragon> rhpot1991: there was an update last week that put the perl bindings into the mythtv build
[10:38] <rhpot1991> hmmm strange, my system is up to date
[10:39] <pdragon> rhpot1991: it wasn't in there in the orignal beta. not sure which update did it
[10:39] <rhpot1991> I'm just running the builds from apt on a straight ubuntu install
[10:39] <rhpot1991> the 0.20.2 fixes that is
[10:40] <pdragon> not sure. i'm running off a mythbuntu install
[10:40] <pdragon> i was getting that same error. means mythtv wasn't built with perl bindings
[10:40] <rhpot1991> are you running the 0.20.2 fixes or trunk?
[10:41] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: are you still around?
[10:41] <pdragon> um... honestly not sure. just installed the latest beta and ran apt-get upgrade
[10:41] <pdragon> still learning this stuff myself :)
[10:43] <Xenocide> tgm4883_laptop is this still like fiesty where my xfs partition should mount to /var/lib?
[10:43] <tgm4883_laptop> eh
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> I am not  fan for using /var/lib as the mount for the xfs partition
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> but yes, in that respect it is the same as feisty
[10:44] <Xenocide> well thats where the default recordings go though?
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> right, but it's not a very good location
[10:44] <rhpot1991> where is the contrib folder located at again?
[10:44] <tgm4883_laptop> because
[10:45] <tgm4883_laptop> from either a bug in the partitioner or by design, /var and all sub-directories MUST be formatted during install
[10:45] <tgm4883_laptop> this isn't very fresh upgrade friendly
[10:46] <pdragon> rhpot1991: not sure. i grabbed the script i needed from svn
[10:47] <rhpot1991> I think you are running a different version that me
[10:47] <rhpot1991> from what I am seeing the mythtv.pm error comes when you try to run using the 0.20.2-fixes
[10:49] <pdragon> version in aptitude says 0.20.2-0ubuntu9
[10:50] <rhpot1991> hmmmm, are you actually running mythbuntu or just ubuntu?
[10:50] <pdragon> mythbuntu
[10:51] <rhpot1991> mine says 0.20.2+fixes14581~ubuntu0~mythbuntu1
[10:52] <pdragon> i'm honestly not sure how to interpret the version numbers.
[10:52] <pdragon> doh... think he left for a bit
[10:53] <rhpot1991> I'll check in later and see if anyone knows then
[10:53] <rhpot1991> time to head home from work anyways
[10:53] <rhpot1991> thanks for the help
[10:53] <Xenocide> installing base system now...
[10:53] <pdragon> cya
[11:05] <MitoTranin|Work> bendailey: just now leaving, what'd you need?
[11:34] <Xenocide> tgm4883 i am installing base line system now
[11:34] <tgm4883> ok
[11:34] <Xenocide> repositories are slow as CRAP today for some reason
[11:34] <Xenocide> doing an install off the netboot cd
[11:37] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea how to get mythtv.pm on my system?
[11:39] <tazgodx> are there any apps that get installed with mythbuntu so that i can transfer files to that computer for pictures and videos?
[11:40] <tgm4883> tazgodx, transfer files from anther pc?  Or from a camera?
[11:41] <tazgodx> another PC
[11:41] <tazgodx> i can transfer from a camera to this PC and then transfer to my mythbox eventually
[11:42] <tgm4883> tazgodx, windows pc or linux?
[11:42] <tazgodx> linux
[11:42] <tgm4883> ok
[11:42] <tgm4883> you have a few options
[11:42] <rhpot1991> nfs share I'd say
[11:42] <tgm4883> I'd just leave the pictures on your desktop pc and use NFS so they appear on the frontend
[11:43] <tazgodx> nfs huh?
[11:43] <tazgodx> do i need to install anything on my other linux PC for that?
[11:43] <tgm4883> network file system
[11:44] <tgm4883> basically you make the desktop share the pic folder via NFS, then mount the share on the frontend
[11:44] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Feisty#NFS_Server
[11:45] <tgm4883> works on gutsy
[11:46] <rhpot1991> hmmm, does mythbuntu work with gusty and not feisty?
[11:46] <tgm4883> yes, mythbuntu is based on gutsy
[11:47] <rhpot1991> gusty packages seem to have mythtv.pm but feisty ones don't
[11:48] <tazgodx> how do i get mythtv to look in that folder instead of the default when i want to look at those pictures? and also i was hoping for a way to transfer my DivX encodes over to my backend to watch. it has more storage than this PC
[11:49] <tgm4883> tazgodx, all acomplished with NFS
[11:49] <tgm4883> you set the dir for the frontend to look in the frontend setup
[11:50] <tgm4883> and just stream the DivX from the desktop, or setup a NFS server on the backend and connect to it from the desktop
[11:50] <tazgodx> ok, i get it. thanks. ill play with that later
[11:51] <tazgodx> one more question. is it possible to get mythtv to play stage6 and youtube videos on the browser? that would be a cool bonus when hanging with friends bored
[11:52] <tgm4883> eh
[11:52] <tgm4883> I think there is a plugin for youtube videos
[11:52] <tgm4883> not really sure on that though
[11:53] <tgm4883> When I'm bored, I have go get owned in Halo 3 :)
[11:54] <tgm4883> talk about snail mail.  I just got an email from 2003
[11:55] <tazgodx> HAHA
[11:55] <tazgodx> i got an e-mail a few month back from 1903
[11:55] <tazgodx> lol
[11:56] <tazgodx> and i don't ahve a XBOX or XBOX 360, cause i hate them both. so i need some videos
[11:56] <Xenocide> i have a modded xbox, i love it, but don't use it anymore now that i use mythtv
[11:56] <Xenocide> actually used to use it as a frontend..
[11:57] <Xenocide> amazing for SD quality movies
[11:57] <Xenocide> better than myth actually
[12:00] <directhex> "hate them both"? O_o
[12:00] <tazgodx> im a sony fanboy
[12:00] <tazgodx> :)
[12:00] <tgm4883_laptop> what?
[12:01] <directhex> wake me when there's a single ps3 game worth the sticker shock
[12:01] <tazgodx> heavenly sword?
[12:01] <tazgodx> i don't ahve a PS3 yet, but that will be my next console
[12:01] <directhex> nowhere close
[12:02] <directhex> heavenly sword is a 5 hour scrolling beat 'em up with button mashing issues
[12:02] <tazgodx> how about the fact that its a BD player? on top of the console, the XBOX needs an extension just to add HD support, which is most likely going to lose the HD format wars
[12:03] <directhex> i want a games console as a games console. i'm completely unconviced by either HD movie format right now
[12:03] <tgm4883_laptop> do you two just want to get out the ruler and measure?
[12:03] <tazgodx> haha
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> seriously though, while HD is king.  I am also unconvinced in the HD market as to which is better.  Apparently though, there is going to be a 200 HDDVD player this christmas
[12:05] <tazgodx> a what?
[12:05] <tazgodx> 200GB?
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> $200
[12:05] <mythbot2> Sorry, I don't know anything about 200. Wikipedia: "Human population reaches about 257 million." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/200 Ubotu says...
[12:05] <mythbot2> !200
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 200 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <tazgodx> ohhhh
[12:05] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker!!
[12:06] <tgm4883_laptop> well there will be a 399 PS3 available soon
[12:06] <tazgodx> yeah, the 40GB
[12:07] <tgm4883_laptop> although, MS now has the 2 games included to combat that for 349
[12:07] <directhex> the version with no backward compatibility, flash media reader, and half the usb ports?
[12:07] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[12:07] <tazgodx> i don't know, i just think that the xbox was rushed. and halo 3 is basically halo with different levels
[12:07] <directhex> still got no games to play though!
[12:08] <tgm4883_laptop> is this the xboxvsps3 channel?
[12:08] <directhex> yes!
[12:08] <tazgodx> lol
[12:08] <tgm4883_laptop> *enter booming voice* you've entered the twilight zone
[12:08] <tazgodx> there is a xboxvsps3 channel?
[12:08] <tgm4883_laptop> sure, #xboxvsps3
[12:09] <tazgodx> i actually hate that argument, so im gonna leave it be.
[12:09] <tazgodx> everyone has their points, and their stands. no one can change their views
[12:09] <tgm4883_laptop> it's completely ridiculous.  Both machines can do pretty much what the other can
[12:10] <Xenocide> siytllll trying to install base system so slow
[12:10] <tazgodx> haha, one more note on that. the PS3 cell processor is far supperior. and in the end if they code for it, will far surpass any graphix on the 360
[12:10] <directhex> tgm4883_laptop, but that's the point. the technology is irrelevant. it's all about the games. a single, powerful masterpiece is enough to warrant the sticker shock of the machine
[12:11] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, i don't think you understand a few things here
[12:11] <tgm4883_laptop> .....nevermind
[12:12] <directhex> tgm4883_laptop, i really don't care about technology. i view the consoles as accessories required to play the games. but in the end, looking at the shop shelves, some systems leave you spoilt for choice, and some you're scraping about and overpaying for mediocre
[12:12] <tazgodx> im done. back to screwing with my mythbox
[12:12] <tgm4883_laptop> agree, games rule all
[12:14] <directhex> there's pleanty to hate about the 360. it's noisy, hot, and unreliable. but the games, it's no contest
[12:15] <tgm4883_laptop> to each his own
[12:16] <directhex> well. that's of the current-gen systems. of things on the shop shelves, the ps2 is probably the best value proposition
[12:16] <tgm4883_laptop> I spent a long time on a different forum and know much about each console.    These are words thrown around to confuse the consumer
[12:18] <tgm4883_laptop> IMHO, I can't think of one reason that I would get a PS3
[12:18] <directhex> tgm4883_laptop, teh bloo rays!
[12:18] <tazgodx> ok, so from what im reading is that the only way to get flash installed on mythtv is to install it on firefox and make firefox my web browser in mythtv
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, I would not get it because of that
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> in fact
[12:19] <tgm4883_laptop> that is a point against it
[12:19] <directhex> it's... um... quieter than an xbox? and it has, um, lair on it?
[12:20] <tgm4883_laptop> wait
[12:20] <tgm4883_laptop> I just remembered one
[12:20] <tgm4883_laptop> it kicks ass at Folding @ Home
[12:20] <directhex> i don't do distributed computing
[12:20] <directhex> and there's ps3 linux... as long as you like framebuffers...
[12:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ps3 linux, not so good
[12:21] <directhex> then again, myth has some ps3 optimizations now, offloading basic Xv functions onto cell
[12:21] <tazgodx> those folding at home numbers just show the power of that cell processor
[12:21] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, yes.....
[12:21] <tgm4883_laptop> whats your point?
[12:21] <directhex> tazgodx, assume it's my job to know about chip design. cell's a colossal miss in many ways. and really, not relevant to making good games
[12:21] <tazgodx> haha
[12:22] <tazgodx> back to my mythbox
[12:22] <directhex> some of my all-time favourites, to this day, are on the snes not the 360. the hardware's not an important point
[12:22] <directhex> i just don't see why double precision floats are so crippled for cell :/
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> graphics are pretty important
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> gameplay and graphics are pretty hand in hand
[12:22] <directhex> tgm4883_laptop, you think? you'd pick an HD game like lair over a 320x200 game like monkey island?
[12:22] <tgm4883_laptop> without one, the game sucks
[12:23] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, do you have a freshly installed gutsy install in a VM?
[12:23] <superm1> or at least one that is recent?
[12:23] <superm1> like after bulletproofx got in
[12:23] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, yea i think so
[12:23] <tgm4883_laptop> I should have the beta installed
[12:23] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, could you do me a favor and run 'sudo dexconf -o /tmp/xorg.conf' and then pastebin the output of that xorg.conf
[12:24] <tgm4883_laptop> yea sec
[12:24] <superm1> you can them confirm my suspicions about BulletProofX being broken for everyone
[12:24] <directhex> it was broken for me last i tested it :/
[12:24] <superm1> directhex, you did a fresh gutsy install?
[12:24] <Xenocide> superm1 just the man i wanted to yell at :D
[12:24] <directhex> superm1, no, it was an upgrade install. the laptop was fresh, but pre-bulletproofx
[12:24] <superm1> i think i know the root cause why it broke for everyone too
[12:25] <superm1> i see directhex
[12:25] <superm1> well it would be broken for those types of people too
[12:25] <superm1> if its the cause i think it is
[12:25] <superm1> my solution will only solve new installs however
[12:25] <superm1> Xenocide, no yelling, i've already got a stressful enough week and am on edge
[12:25] <Xenocide> tgm4883_laptop my base install is done what is the first package i need to install
[12:26] <Xenocide> superm1 haha im just messin man, i had a whole bunch of bugs with beta cd tgm4883_laptop suggested i work from a CLI system up
[12:26] <tgm4883> directhex, no, I would though chose lair over something like robocop for the nes
[12:26] <superm1> Xenocide, did you file them?
[12:26] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-desktop
[12:26] <Xenocide> no, i need to
[12:26] <superm1> i didn't see any new reports
[12:26] <superm1> okay
[12:26] <superm1> are you sure they weren't already fixed?
[12:26] <superm1> or what not
[12:26] <Xenocide> tgm4883 if i instal ljust that, it will feill everything else
[12:26] <tgm4883> it should.  It's a meta-package
[12:26] <Xenocide> i have not looked at all to tell you the truth, i know a bunch of people were having the partitioner problem, but i mhaving one with X being cut in half
[12:27] <Xenocide> ok. I will le tyou know in one secon dhere
[12:27] <superm1> x being cut in half?
[12:27] <superm1> wtf?
[12:27] <tgm4883> thats better than tgm4883 being cut in half
[12:27] <superm1> well yeah, b ut still wtf
[12:27] <tgm4883> like I said, directhex, you need both
[12:27] <Xenocide> haha
[12:27] <Xenocide> yea orange line down my LCD tv
[12:28] <tgm4883> oh that means you need a bigger LCD TV
[12:28] <Xenocide> at default resolutoin, if i change resolution it got "better" but was still cut in half at one point or another
[12:29] <Xenocide> repos sooo slow tonight
[12:29] <Xenocide> 50kbps
[12:29] <superm1> Xenocide, so why dont you install with a normal monitor, and then switch to your tv
[12:29] <superm1> once you get proprietary drivers installed?
[12:29] <Xenocide> why would it matter......itsn' tit just a big monitor...
[12:30] <superm1> well that depends on *why* you had orange line
[12:30] <Xenocide> im installing from command line right now because i couldn't get anything working in the live cd
[12:30] <directhex> tgm4883, there's more to a game than photorealism
[12:30] <tgm4883> directhex, like gameplay?
[12:31] <directhex> erll, obviously. but it's more a general sense of presentation
[12:31] <therethinker> someone want me?
[12:32] <therethinker> Ah
[12:32] <directhex> generally, i'd rate my all-time best-looking game as on the ps2, and most atmospheric as on snes. overall, my "desert island game" is on dreamcast
[12:32] <therethinker> Yeah... the bot
[12:32] <therethinker> So... what about it?
[12:32] <therethinker> Should I disable numbers
[12:32] <therethinker> and the spammy
[12:33] <directhex> you could /msg ubotu rather than do it in-channel, then parse the output to decide whether to show it
[12:33] <superm1> are they going to be interacting?
[12:33] <therethinker> directhex -- I'll work on that later
[12:34] <therethinker> Well, what it did, was if it didn't know, it'd say !____
[12:34] <therethinker> and then ubotu might answer
[12:34] <therethinker> but I'll do it in private
[12:34] <superm1> oh no, don't do that
[12:34] <therethinker> Yeah, it doesn't anymore
[12:34] <therethinker> $cheese
[12:34] <mythbot2> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'cheese' (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/help.py", line 16, in f_chelp)
[12:34] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 http://pastebin.com/m11c97fff
[12:34] <therethinker> whoops
[12:34] <therethinker> $cheese
[12:34] <mythbot2> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheese. Wikipedia: "Cheese is a solid food made from the milk of cows, goats, sheep and other mammals." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese Ubotu says...
[12:35] <therethinker> Yeah, so its better now.
[12:35] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, can you see if that pci id
[12:35] <superm1> 0:2:0 is accurate?
[12:35] <superm1> via lspci
[12:35] <therethinker> oh, superm1: when you can, can you help with my TV Tuner
[12:35] <directhex> dexconf doesn't use bloody the pci id does it?
[12:36] <superm1> dexconf is for debugging only
[12:36] <tgm4883_laptop> it's the virtualbox graphics adapter
[12:36] <superm1> right
[12:36] <superm1> so it is accurate
[12:36] <directhex> anyway, bedtime
[12:36] <superm1> night directhex
[12:36] <superm1> hm
[12:36] <tgm4883_laptop> $mcc
[12:36] <mythbot2> mythbuntu-control-centre, or mcc, is a application designed to make setting up MythTV simpler
[12:37] <superm1> $lvm
[12:37] <mythbot2> Sorry, I don't know anything about lvm. Wikipedia: "LVM is a logical volume manager for the Linux kernel." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lvm Ubotu says...
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> $.21
[12:37] <superm1> yeah this thing can be pretty useful
[12:37] <mythbot2> TypeError: msg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 155, in g_wikipedia)
[12:37] <therethinker> Thanks :-)
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[12:37] <superm1> does it no multiple words?
[12:37] <superm1> *know
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> did i break it?
[12:37] <therethinker> It does
[12:37] <therethinker> Nope
[12:38] <superm1> er i mean multi word statements
[12:38] <therethinker> It got messed up with the.
[12:38] <superm1> like
[12:38] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[12:38] <therethinker> It will
[12:38] <superm1> $mythtv 0.21
[12:38] <mythbot2> TypeError: msg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 155, in g_wikipedia)
[12:38] <therethinker> we had $bill gates at one point
[12:38] <therethinker> $bill gates
[12:38] <superm1> take that as a no
[12:38] <mythbot2> Sorry, I don't know anything about bill gates. Wikipedia: "William Henry Gates III (born October 28, 1955[2] ) is an American entrepreneur, philanthropist and chairman of Microsoft, the software company he founded with Paul Allen." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_gates Ubotu says...
[12:38] <tgm4883_laptop> $foxbuntu
[12:38] <mythbot2> foxbuntu is a mythbuntu dev, he is leet, although not as leet as tgm4883.
[12:38] <therethinker> Its getting messed up by the "."
[12:38] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[12:38] <tgm4883_laptop> pretty right on if you ask me
[12:38] <therethinker> I'll strip it
[12:39] <therethinker> Oh, superm1: can you unblock mythbot?
[12:39] <therethinker> $.21
[12:39] <mythbot2> TypeError: msg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 155, in g_wikipedia)
[12:39] <therethinker> Thanks :-)
[12:39] <superm1> he's not banned still
[12:40] <therethinker> hmm
[12:40] <therethinker> it didn't work
[12:40] <therethinker> earilier
[12:40] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, who added the proprietary codecs to mcc?
[12:40] <therethinker> I did
[12:40] <tgm4883_laptop> I found a bug
[12:40] <therethinker> K
[12:40] <tgm4883_laptop> 64-bit users don't have w32codecs
[12:40] <therethinker> Oh... they have w64
[12:41] <tgm4883_laptop> we have w64codecs
[12:41] <superm1> that would make for a troublesome situation yeah
[12:41] <therethinker> Yeah.... what should we do? Can we detect that easily?
[12:41] <laga> uname?
[12:41] <therethinker> ah
[12:41] <laga> or some python function
[12:42] <therethinker> uname... I'll try that
[12:42] <superm1> uname -m
[12:43] <therethinker> that's convient
[12:43] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, no web interface for the bot?
[12:43] <superm1> guys, isn't this why we have -dev.....
[12:43] <superm1> lol
[12:43] <therethinker> :P
[12:43] <therethinker> Oh, btw on the bot
[12:43] <tgm4883_laptop> whoops
[12:43] <therethinker> Yeah, Its not working for some reason...
[12:43] <laga> $.21
[12:43] <mythbot> TypeError: msg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 155, in g_wikipedia)
[12:43] <therethinker> I'm trying to fix it...
[12:43] <laga> $print("foo")
[12:43] <mythbot> OperationalError: near "foo": syntax error (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/help.py", line 20, in f_chelp)
[12:43] <laga> $print(foo)
[12:43] <mythbot> TypeError: msg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 155, in g_wikipedia)
[12:44] <MitoTranin> therethinker: will simply adding quotes work?
[12:44] <tgm4883_laptop> you should pull it until it's fixed
[12:44] <laga> $print('foo')
[12:44] <mythbot> TypeError: msg() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py", line 155, in g_wikipedia)
[12:44] <laga> $;print('foo')
[12:44] <laga> :/
[12:44] <therethinker> O:P
[12:46] <therethinker> Do you guys mind a port... like zbanks.mine.nu:8080?
[12:46] <MitoTranin> ?
[12:46] <tgm4883_laptop> doesn't matter to me
[12:46] <therethinker> k
[12:47] <laga> dont care
[12:47] <laga> i got real intarnets.
[12:47] <therethinker> :P
[12:48] <laga> any ISP who blocks ports other than 80 needs some serious pitchfork & torch treatment
[12:49] <tazgodx> is there a default root password on mythbuntu?
[12:49] <superm1> by default no root password.
[12:49] <therethinker> I hope not..
[12:49] <MitoTranin> tazgodx: you login with the user and pass that you create during install, and then do "sudo su" to get root
[12:49] <tgm4883_laptop> well there's no root user
[12:50] <tgm4883_laptop> so a root password would be pointless
[12:50] <superm1> well there is actually a root user, but its undefined password for it
[12:50] <superm1> not to be confused with no root password
[12:50] <tgm4883_laptop> and the account is disabled isnt' it?
[12:50] <superm1> well its disabled in the sense that you can't log into it because you don't have its pw
[12:50] <tazgodx> so, whats the command to make a password for root?