 Quick question? Is there a easy root .deb software to install that can root your device for you? Because OneClickRoot only has its desktop software for Mac and for Windows not Linux! Is there a Linux alternative to OneClickRoot?
 You mean for Android?
 Yes to root Android!
 Sorry, we're not really an Android support channel. Maybe you'd have better luck at the XDA Developers forum?
 you don't need to root android to install ubuntu on a device, either
 Can the Ubuntu Touch installer from you guys can root devices or do you have to have your device rooted already? And how do you install or dual boot android and Ubuntu Touch without rooting?
 no, rooting is not needed
 no we do not support dual boot
 the bootloader needs to be unlocked is all. once that's done, ubuntu can be installed (assuming there is a port for the device)
 ubports-installer will flash the ubuntu recovery, and then flash the ubuntu system onto the device. all of android is replaced with it
 Well there isn't a port for Samsung Galaxy A5 2017 if there is I haven't seen it and the Ubuntu Touch installer doesn't show under drop down menu!?
 it isn't a supported device, no
 someone would have to create a port for it first
 Will you guys try to make a port for it? Since some work has already been downloaded for you by Ubuntu and Canonical teaming up with Samsung DEX system and docking stations for desktop arm versions of Ubuntu! Have any of you taken a look on it?
 porting to new phones/tablets is not a trivial task. it could take many months to get a working port, once someone were to start working on a device. if it was trivial, we'd support a lot more devices already
 What steps would need to be taken to create a trivial and universal installer?
 Writing a native Linux driver for every piece of hardware in every Android phone
 And then getting them all merged into the kernel
 build a time machine, go back 10 years, and convince manufactueres to do everything  in the open and in the same way
 Well wasn't that the initial point of Android by Google I should say but then the manufacturers tweaked it to work with their devices and hardware specific and devices layout? But it's Google/Android who create the Android os and send it down to all the manufacturers that merge the new os to the one installed on every device
[01:45] <ubptgbot> already? And doesn't that new manufacturers tweaked version back to Google for reports they get from all the app and device crash reports that get sent to all the apps and service developpers and send them back to manufactureres and they send it back to Google? Because some issues can be fixed by apps/service developpers yet not all the time someti
[01:45] <ubptgbot> mes it's not an app/service developpers thing that needs fixing or maybe it's beyond them and they send it up the chain to manufacturer's to fix because only they can for that issues and same goes for manufacturers is they can't solve it they send it up to Google and they are able to fix it .... So maybe if you guys give Goolgle a call or email and
[01:45] <ubptgbot>  ask them to remember the reason for Android's reason for being and tell them to pass all the manufacturers tweaked OS's to you and make a universal installer?
 Google can't legally do that, and change that large doesn't come from a call or e-mail
 That's stupid! Why did Google loose sight of their mission statement that they are open sourced and part of the Linux family just so they can have more money from the manufacturers and become slaves basically?
 @Myrdynsheppard, Open source does not always equal Linux. This is one of the most common misconceptions out there. … Open source means the source code is available free to download and use/change/build upon etc. … Also - to write a driver for every FPGA in every phone from every manufacturer on the planet
[02:02] <ubptgbot> would mean we would never see a released electronic device. Period. Not ever. The task is too huge. And once a chip is released to the public in a device - it was obselete about six months before the release. … Now: yes Google did build Android on top of Linux. Android is considered an OS.  … But in the classic computer science definition - it is a
[02:02] <ubptgbot> n application because it does need a virtual machine to run on top of Linux (Java/JVM = hello nightmare!). … Pure Linux coming to mobile IS happening. However, much like Henry Ford and the model-T car, changing a global mindset takes time. … And this awesome community of self sacrificing girls and guy geeks will get it done. Just please be patient
[02:02] <ubptgbot> as we feel your pain too .... … Did I cover everything guys and gals?? Please add more if need be....
 I think the purism will definitely help with changing things up
 [Edit] I think the purism librem 5 will definitely help with changing things up
 Looking forward to running ubuntu touch on one... alas, it will probably be a good 2 years or so
 @mateosalta, You work fast btw
 :D
 And thanks!
 :)
 Which site is it that lists snaps along with scopes and web apps?
 The open store isn't it im pretty sure?
 uappexplorer had the snaps up too
 Ah thanks
 Why is there more than one store?
 that one isn't really a store, just more of a diffrent way of displaying the other stores contents
 Oh, so same store, just showing snaps too?
 so it pulls its information form openstore, the snap store, and it had the old canonical store list
 Can you actually run these snaps?
 Like Love2D?
 https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/love2d
 whops, did I accidently delete some messages
 that is strange
 ah i see, you can filter to arm... i bet that would run fine
 many are desktop ubuntu, or server apps, some are for snappy core
 @Aberts10, this one you should be able to run on the desktop
 Ah, ok
 Ha, Ubuntu mate welcome is a arm snap
 I bet you could run that
 :D
 @mateosalta So you use convergence?
 I'm seeing in some of your apps a picture of unity 8 in desktop form?
 yeah, I have the nexus 4 to test on
 Ah, cool
 then one time installed it on a old laptop
 Kinda wish they didn't drop unity 8
 I think it was kinda promising
 And i love the UI theme
 (minus the launcher for the desktop version of unity)
 [Edit] (minus the launcher for the desktop version of unity 8)
 I think them dropping it mightve been the best thing to some extent since they can put effort into other areas that are needed
 Whats the status on the community work on unity 8?
 How far has it come since it was dropped by Canonical?
[04:47] <ubptgbot> <Pramathesh Ambasta> Hi folks. Anyone tried installing Ubuntu touch on a Dell venue 8 pro tablet (which came preloaded with android)? Please point me to some resources if so
 Fwd from dohbee: porting to new phones/tablets is not a trivial task. it could take many months to get a working port, once someone were to start working on a device. if it was trivial, we'd support a lot more devices already
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @fourloop2002, I am in the process of testing. Will let you know.
 I'm on 16.04 with my Nexus 5 and although I have a working wifi connection the latest system update won't download. Anyone else with the same issue? Here's a screenshot showing where it stalls:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Eo0N7IrZ.png
 The funny thing is I can switch back and forth to the browser and browse the web normally at the same time.
 Correction: it actually downloaded, as I can see now. It just didn't show progress while downloading. After completing to download it apparently closed the window. So when I checked for updates again, it now looks like this:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/RPt2OMWV.png
 So have you installed the latest update?
 @fourloop2002, I'm doing it now. I just wanted to check if I could make calls with v.401 and it turned out that worked fine. However, MMS and cellular data did not work.
 OK. So now I have r407 installed and it turns out I don't have any phone capabilities at all and although my home network can still be found under "previous connections", it doesn't detect any network SSIDs and doesn't connect. Where should I report this? Screen shots below.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tRYksiuw.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4ah1RN40.png
 @nanu_c, Speaking of that, dont miss today´s Q&A, we got some talking about this also. But please don´t get hyped too much, it´s NOT a new device 😆
 I've noticed there hasn't been any system update on 16.04 devel for arale since May 23 until today. Sometimes updates are generated every day and sometimes there is a gap like this. Just curious, what influences this? No system changes in the meantime or something else?
 yes no system changes means no new image promotion as there are no deltas 😊
 Thanks :), makes sense.
 Also no system changes for a specific device doesn't mean others aren't getting an update
 @DanChapman, Hmm but there should be daily images for devel 😆
 Built with Qt: AirServer Universal Mirroring Receiver … https://resources.qt.io/videos/built-with-qt-airserver-universal-mirroring-receiver?utm_campaign=Built%20with%20Qt%202018&utm_content=71986091&utm_medium=social&utm_source=googleplus
 Interesting. I tried to reboot the device to see if it would change anything and here's what happended (r407 on hammerhead):
 1. I got the displaced screen again. Tried to take a screen shot, but the picture lies - it shows a normal screen. Pressing the power button twice (off - on) returns the screen picture to normal.
 @Flohack, even if there is no changes?
 2. I now have a wifi connection. It connected to my home network, but still does not show the other SSIDs that are normally visible here.
 3. Still no phone. It doesn't just not connect, there's no phone option in the settings menu either, as the screen shot I posted earlier shows.
 Oh updates for all xenial devices today! \o/
 That's what I've got so far.
 @aribk you have r408 available today
 Oh, forgot one thing: pressing the power button and selecting reboot did not work the way it should. I waited 5 min. and the device didn't reboot (black screen the whole time). I finally had to long-press the power button, apparently to switch the device completely off, then press it again to switch on.
 @Flohack, I had been hyped until I read the last sentence 😜🤣
 @DanChapman, Well well good question. I dont know the final stage of comparison, but the build jobs runs fully through all steps to make a nightly image for each (supported) device
 @advocatux, Thanks! Didn't expect that so soon. Installing now.
 And tbh no change for over 1 week is very unlikely for arale
 Cool there is no daily job for arale 😆
 Ah the daily FP2 is now running.
 (Photo, 189x208) https://irc.ubports.com/jllOkzM8.png
 @Flohack, Free practice 2?
 😂
 no Fiarphone 2 😆
 [Edit] no Fairphone 2 😆
 I have to as Marius whats with Arale. Also I can see Mako has some issues, its red
 LOL: atal: unable to access 'https://git.launchpad.net/~libhybris-maintainers/libhybris/+git/libhybris/': Failed to connect to git.launchpad.net port 443: No route to host … error: Cannot fetch libhybris
 [Edit] LOL: fatal: unable to access 'https://git.launchpad.net/~libhybris-maintainers/libhybris/+git/libhybris/': Failed to connect to git.launchpad.net port 443: No route to host … error: Cannot fetch libhybris
 Thanks for nothing Launchpad 😆
 Excepting FP2, bacon, and hammerhead, none other device got an update since May, 23, until today
 Ah ok maybe this is manual then. I will check automation ;)
 OK. So now with r408 installed on hammerhead my phone works again. I can make calls. My wifi is also back to normal.
 🎉
 (Voice, 1s) https://irc.ubports.com/puU2znD0.oga
 @aribk, Cool but my WiFi in my test device is broken, and I got no SIM card inside... So it will be interresting to update, need to use the also flakey installer 😆
 @aribk it doesn't sound
 @Flohack, That's weird. ?
 @advocatux, You were saying...?
 @aribk, No its not. One of the last devel OTAs broke WiFi
 @Flohack, But why does mine work, then?
 @aribk, I mean that sound file you posted
 @advocatux, Oh, I see it now. Didn't notice. No idea how that happened. 😂
 😂
 @Aberts10, Like much else, that is on hold while all effort goes into making 16.04 stable
 @aribk, Forget my comment. I was assuming you were on r408.
[09:29] <ubptgbot> <Furnace McOven> Hello guys. So I already installed 15.04/devel and I'm trying to check out 16.04. But whenever I am in recovery mode 'adb devices' lists my nexus 5 as unauthorized. when I'm in Ubuntu it shows up no problem. (Asked this question 12 hours ago. Trying again. Please tell me how long I need to wait before reposting a non answered
[09:29] <ubptgbot>  question)
[09:31] <ubptgbot> M was added by: M
 Welcome M !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/H9p5Y04F.png
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/Z0XnLol9.png
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/CVKIOsfq.png
 @dohniks  screenshots with libetine apps with gtk theming
 oh thanks!
 you don't happen to have a before screenshot?
 I'd have to dig for old screenshots
 did you also set the dpi?
 No it was fine as it is. I have a HD tablet not fhd
 I canny wait for this to be ready, try some good ol qt apps, in an environment that supports em nicely
 Hi Im new to UT, is it possible to make systemwide fonts Bold?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Any specific qt app in mind?
 @aribk, Happy ending!
 Not specifically, I just know that qt apps don't look how they're suppose to on GNOME.
 Name a small one, and I'll install it here
 Dolphin file manager
 @malditobastardo, 😄 Well, almost, at least. Still no cellular data connection / no MMS. 😕
 Also, I'm about to add a comment about the jerky scrolling action in the app view. Made a video. Will share log files, too. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/615
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Pulls in half of KDE, won't launch 😂
 @YougoChats, Welp not as small as I thought theb
 @YougoChats, [Edit] Welp not as small as I thought than
 On the positive side, something else qt should have all deps taken care of now
 That's true, I understand why lxqt doesn't use dolphin by default now.
 @Flohack, I have a BQ E4.5/krillin. No daily builds for this, I gather? So installing Xenial and hunting for bugs on this device would be a waste of time?
 @aribk I'm using krillin to test xenial. It has got an update today too (r86)
 @advocatux, Thanks, then I'll try, too.
 👍
 BTW the scrolling momentum bug is still present in r86
[11:27] <ubptgbot> Tombyers9258 was added by: Tombyers9258
 where dose ubport save the data?
 [Edit] where dose ubport-installer save the data?
 i need to clean it
 Is ubports.com up?  ubports-installer reports the devices list is unavailable.
 @Flohack, Today? - no news channel announcement yet?
 yes today
 🤠👍 already looking forward 🤩
 Agree
 @gostranger, .cache/ubports(images)
 Not sure how to clean it though
 Welcome @Tombyers9258 !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 http://www.businessinsider.com/2-billion-startup-github-could-be-for-sale-microsoft-2018-5
 @Benedikt, If Microsoft buy GitHub I will delete my code and accounts off GitHub so fast!!! … Look how LinkedIn was ruined after the MS aquisition!!
 @ubports_ot for off topic things
 @Ismail_ibn_Thomas_Al_Amreeki, +👍👍👍👍👍
 github is already a proprietary code hosting service. microsoft buying it wouldn't change that.
 @dohbee, Sorry for that outburst... Won't happen again. … I didn't mean to violate the rules.
 @Ismail_ibn_Thomas_Al_Amreeki, gitea.io
 Oh wow.... Never knew sailfish OS was behind a paywall... 40$ for the OS and then you have to buy the device too?
 I feel even more thankful for the ubports team now!
 @Aberts10, Me too!!
 58 USD* my bad... even worse!
 [Edit] Oh wow.... Never knew sailfish OS was behind a paywall... 58$ for the OS and then you have to buy the device too?
 I guess it makes sense, but imo they should just allow you to pay what you want to get it
 @Aberts10, Only for the officially supported image on the Xperia phone, right?
 Otherwise there are community ports
 Is there?
 yes, just the sony phones I guess
 i have it on my Nexus 5 ;)
 Where can i get the community version? Their website is like navigating a maze
 it's an official partnership with Sony
 @Aberts10, XDA developers forums?
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 just look up for your specific device if there's one for it
 Nexus 5 works
 Ah here we go
 Interesting.
 yes, and I got it working multiboot with Android and UT ;) … NOTE: NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED LOL
 oh I guess this is getting OT
 Yeah.
 I'll probably stick with UT though honestly
 Seems like its just more functional, and i like the style and underlying system more
 yeah, same here but it's still good to explore and see what others have … and honestly Sailfish OS is great and has potential
 I've got so many questions about how the project works, and I'm probably better off not asking for the sake of the devs sanity. Reminds me of my grandmother asking about why wore wasn't opening a spreadsheet file she had... it's obvious to you, and frustrating that they bombard you with those questions, however on the other end of
[17:05] <ubptgbot> the spectrum the person is trying to get a grips on things and feels bad for annoying the person and having to resort to questioning
 [Edit] I've got so many questions about how the project works, and I'm probably better off not asking for the sake of the devs sanity. Reminds me of my grandmother asking about why word wasn't opening a spreadsheet file she had... it's obvious to you, and frustrating that they bombard you with those questions, however on the other
[17:05] <ubptgbot> end of the spectrum the person is trying to get a grips on things and feels bad for annoying the person and having to resort to questioning
 i've answered so many "why this" questions about ubuntu on phones at this point, it's second nature
 @Aberts10, It is about balance. If you want to know, probably lots of others want to know too, so there is nothing 'selfish' about it
 @Aberts10, Go ahead and ask them all and we'll try to answer 🙂
 For me I would feel very conscious about frustrating or bothering them, when devs put all that time and thought into something for free or for very little.
 i doubt your questions will bother me as much as some comments from others have, anyway
 @Aberts10, If you tie up all of their time yes. But those of us who are absolutely not developers will answer to the limits of our capability
 I suppose that thought process would mean being destructive. By not asking and learning, it would probably be much more likely for that person to not contribute to the project...
 Also everyone starts from nothing …
 How do you think developers became developers?  😎
 2 sets of eyes are better then 1
 [Edit] 2 sets of eyes are better than 1
 You can repay them by helping with bugs when you've learnt as well anyways. … So even if it feels like it cant be reciprocal in the short run, in the long run it sure can!
 I suppose that's true. Never saw that end of things. Makes sense.... bother em, and then bandage things up by taking away other headaches and helping to deal with new contributors like you supposed to be
 😆
 [Edit] I suppose that's true. Never saw that end of things. Makes sense.... bother em, and then bandage things up by taking away other headaches and helping to deal with new contributors like you used to be
 Anyways... is there any kind of article or post for people wanting to educate themselves enough to contribute?
 probably millions of them :P
 it depends on what you want to do
 After seeing you guy's chat i got a question... 😊😊
 How can i fix this?
 Well, I'll definitely be doing bug testing when I finally get my device... But what about kernel related things? I would love to learn more about the kernel system running ut
 (Photo, 480x800) https://irc.ubports.com/Jpzk0f3P.png
 And what about documentation? Is there somewhere where you have requirements listed for what you need documented and how you would like it?
 @maharudra108, android questions are off topic :)
 @Aberts10, You offer and Dalton bites off your hand. Simple
 @dohbee, 😞😢
 Huh?  He is so overjoyed that he can hardly believe it 🤣
 Lol!... I got the impression of "mush mush"!
 documentation is hard
 @Aberts10, There is a Writers Group. Maybe a goid place to start?
 @Aberts10, [Edit] There is a Writers Group. Maybe a good place to start?
 Writers group for ut?
 @Aberts10, Yes
 Could I get a link?
 @Aberts10, @exar_kun
 Besides bug testing and documentation, what other areas might you need help in that new flesh could start working on?
 you could port to new devices, you could provide patches, you could do pretty much anything. it's really up to you
 I thought about porting for a kindle, but Amazon patched it a few years back and it's basically impossible to load any external software now
 Market UBports through social media, make videos about, attend Linux meetings and help with a stall …
 Donate…
 How many devices are out there can be loaded with custom roms?
 @Stereofont, Trying to figure this out. Why is it so hard ..
 I imagine mainly just flagships?
 way too many to list in here i guess
 [Edit] I imagine mainly just flagships? I've heard of say Motorola phone being ported, however don't they change things on some phones?)
 [Edit] I imagine mainly just flagships? I've heard of say Motorola phone being ported, however don't they change things on some phones? It seems highly inconsistent?)
 a good place to start in that respect is if there's a lineageos port, then halium/ubports could be ported to it
 @exar_kun, Just add a member
 I am not an admin in that group
 Patches from android for specific issues with ut? Or creating patches?
 @exar_kun, Ok i was wrong. Added
 @exar_kun, 👍
 @Aberts10, Some manufacturers have a very closed policy, some quite open.  I might look into that. Might be a good learning experience to start tinkering with a port. For the near future at least I'll leave the more involved things to the pros. 😄
 @unknown, i'm pretty sure there's already a start at a galaxy s8/s8+ port
 @dohbee, Snapdragon only which aren't sold in Europe?
 exynos i think
 samsung has their own SoC
 I know some devices have had their bootloaders cracked... once someone breaks the factory bootloader, can they run their own, or is it only a makeshift hack to allow running a software one? That's been a major confusion for me with android devices
 Which is garbage because of mali
 Q&A starting now?
 1 hr i think
 Doesn't the nexus use mali?
 No
 Only Galaxy Nexus had their chip
 other ones use adreno which at least has FOSS drivers
 @dohbee, They sell both exynos and snapdragon … And normally snapdragon is easier when it becomes to custom stuff
 @dohbee, [Edit] They sell both exynos and snapdragon … And normally snapdragon is easier when it comes to custom stuff
 @Aberts10, Florian tried a project to show that Samsung is possible. It was tricky though
 someone else did an s7 port too
 Avoid any Mediatek processor
 why? if it has sources, it's doable
 [Edit] why? if it has kernel sources, it's doable
 It is very closed source but if you have sources, fine 😊
 currently it's really Hallium CAF devices that can't be ported due to some known bugs
 @NotKit, gemini's golden for releasing even littlekernel sources
 that's how source shall be released
 "bootloader" shouldn't be a goddamned blob
 The VideoCore IV chip of the pi is closed source, isn't it?
 I'd imagine that will give the Ubports Pi team a fun time.
 @K31j0, if only they HAD sources for some other blobs though, like Mali
 @K31j0, [Edit] if only they had sources for some other blobs though, like Mali
 https://github.com/ubports/url-dispatcher/pull/1
 whee
 @dohbee, Thank you btw, it really helps with building for arch
 sure. i've just done these on bionic branches so far, but they should probably get backported to xenial (or branches should get consolidated so there's just one master and a stable if need be)
 @Aberts10 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/index.html
 Guys if someone wants to buy an OPO from an experienced UT flasher ;)
 Fwd from mar_k83: Interessanten Artikel bei eBay ansehen … https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113032891365
[18:49] <ubptgbot> chefTxuTy was added by: chefTxuTy
 Here we, here we, here we ****ing go!
 hmm
 We're live! … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_kFGkPy7-4
 (intentional self-cenorship)
 *censorship
 Hello
 Same hosts as last week, kewl.
 I don't get that
 shouldn't Qt backport the stuff to 5.9 which is LTS?
 Is this browser more similar to the usual Ubuntu (/Touch) browser, or Firefox?
 so it isn't just the current browser but with qtwebengine then?
 does it include webapp-container and replace Ubuntu.Web component then?
 good save @Flohack lol
 Finally. Matrix ❤
 it's minimal, qml/js, and very pink
 Fwd from Tombyers9258: I help to send flowers, ring, pizza to your lover.... Message me... And be happy
 spamban
 uMatriks is the app that already connects me with my family
 you can install clicks on x86 16.04 :)
 Pecking order, maybe that works?
 he's trying to communicate from the other side
 can someone fix my network
 Funding goals to supercharge @mariogrip 's Norweigan internet, let's do it!
 snow is bad for wireless networking
 @malditobastardo, Yes finally 😆
 He doesn't use Ethernet?
 @TartanSpartan, Ethernet from his PC to the modem and then its more like an ant trail 😆
 thank you for not doing that with a hoodie :D :D
 I see, so yes, let's do a stretch target to upgrade his infratructure :D
 😆 would be great
 🤣
 *infrastructure
 eww, there's a reason ubuntu and everyone just shps newer firefox/chromium for security fixes, rather than backporting them :-/
 Ok. Jan tells me the app drawer won't be ready in time for OTA-4. How then will we be able to launch Libertine apps? Will it still use a scope?
 Scopes are still there, so yeah
 the scope will have to be built for 16.04, yes
 Ok. Please address the question in the show if there's anything to elaborate on there, otherwise thanks for the info :)
 i guess there's nothing to elaborate on. well, i guess there are some issues with librtine on 16.04 on devices at the moment
 ugh, my network
 again
 Yeah, I've never been able to use it to date.
 Hi, Q&A team 😍😍😍
 hehe
 lol, well i can launch uxterm that's in my i think 15.04 container, on 16.04, on my nexus 4
 what's the status of android-caf Mir platform? was it successfully tested to launch Unity8 shell on any device?
 Mack Daddy ver Pro 5 (64GB/4GB) always seems to be available on eBay  for 190 GBP from Hong Kong, one of the best conceivable ways to purchase a UT device.
[19:45] <MindYourLanguage> I hope I'm not interrupting anything, but here's my question. I tried installing sub77's build of Vivid for falcon (it's not an official build), but it won't boot. It's stuck at the logo. Any reason why this might be happening?
 Keep up the good work guys!
 You are veeery close
 Live transcript of Q&A in English complete 😃
 @Stereofont, You did it again?! 🙌
 Yay, I love Notepad++!
 notepad++ is one of the best in windows :)
 i like vs code
 Seabass anyone?
 Glad too see everyone having fun !
 i use emacs AND vim
 Vim > *
 Has to be nano for me though.
 Blender for me
 haha :D text editors are fun to make fun of :P
 Thank you Dalton, Marius, Jan, and Flo !! Great Q&A !!
 have I overherad OP5 update  mention?
 Many thanks for the show, brothers.
 @thepeter, i think @UniversalSuperBox mentioned something about the one plus threeve
 many thanks for the updates anyway
 @dohbee, yep that one I heard
 @dohbee, [Edit] yep that one I've heard
 Quick question... can you see system logs in ut?
 @Aberts10, Get Logviewer app
 I thought I saw a snap for viewing them?
 Okay thanks.
 No problem
 Is it just me or is the search for open-store not very good?
 The open store is not a snap store
 Just a quick distinction. :)
 I know, but I searched there before with "system log" and It showed no results?
 @Aberts10, It depends how you search 😎
 the search is indeed not very great
 What language is it written in?
 @dohbee, One plus 3 port available now? … Please say yes!!!
 No
 But the plan is to use it during a porting demonstration
 Which is being scheduled
 @UniversalSuperBox, Cool
 no, i was just joking because it sounded like Dalton started to say "Fire" and then finished it as "Five"
 One Plus Fire-ve
 :)


[15:56]  * thorwil wonders what to think of john's 2nd "welcome newest member" mail
[16:07] <coz_> I think I deleted that one let me check :)
[16:08] <vish> thorwil: its more a fourth or fifth , but second of the day maybe..
[16:08] <vish> thorwil: but the odd thing is when he mentions "colleague" ;)
[16:09] <thorwil> vish: i only saw 2 of these, recently
[16:10] <vish> thorwil:  he introduced equinox guy , and another person i forgot who..
[16:10] <darkmatter> I think I'll seek refuge in here for a bit. the wiki-sheep-parrots-random-cattle-breeds are having their daily rabid foaming at the mouth moment. it should pass in 15 hours or so
[16:11] <coz_> :)
[16:11] <vish> thorwil: i'm pretty sure he is schizophrenic , leogg has been submitting for quite a while..
[16:13] <vish> thorwil: heh! he already reviewed his submissions last week!
[16:13] <vish> his = leogg's
[16:15] <coz_> mm  "colleague;s"  second one isnt that bad
[16:17] <vish> and he says "i invited" , probably mailed the guy when he added the image..
[16:17] <vish> rather when john noticed the image(again.)
[16:18] <thorwil> vish: i see how delusion applies, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be enough to diagnose schizophrenia :/
[16:20] <darkmatter> yer mistaking ADHD for schizophrenia again
[16:22] <coz_> strange talk for artwork :)
[16:22] <thorwil> vish: question is, can and should we kick him out?
[16:22] <coz_> wait i am confused,,, you want to kick someone out ?
[16:23] <vish> thorwil: well, Ubuntu embraces all.. so we dont have a basis to kick him out yet,,
[16:23] <darkmatter> me, for correcting him;P
[16:23]  * vish kicks darkmatter …
[16:23] <vish> ;p
[16:23] <coz_> lol
[16:23] <darkmatter> :P
[16:24] <coz_> ok now I am confused...what did this guy do that would warrent even thinking about kicking him?
[16:24] <coz_> warrant
[16:24] <thorwil> ancient channel dwellers don't get the boot, why bother, actually ;p
[16:25] <darkmatter> that's "mr. dweller".. no no. "mr. lurker" to you ;)
[16:25] <thorwil> coz_: he shows signs of not living in the same reality and writes a lot of stuff that is just wrong, sometimes in a grotesk way
[16:26] <vish> coz_: well, silliness.. and being too much of a chatter on the ML.. but i think in time if we keep ignoring him enough, he will shssh , but i doubt that would happen any time soon..
[16:26] <thorwil> coz_: and does not listen, so you can't clear up anything with him
[16:26] <coz_>   oh?  mmm  then I better pay close attention.. to the mailing list
[16:26] <coz_> perhaps he is just over enthusiastic?
[16:26] <vish> coz_: well, you seem to have missed the drama last week … ;p
[16:26] <coz_> vish,  oh  thank god
[16:26] <coz_> :)
[16:27] <vish> coz_: read the mailing list archives.. ;)
[16:27] <coz_> vish,  oh my... ok  I will try to read them :)
[16:27] <vish> coz_:  nah, not enthusiastic.. it's not possible to get through to him..
[16:27] <coz_> oh ok
[16:28] <vish> thorwil: i'm pretty sure one of these days he is going to ask to be the leader ;)
[16:28] <vish> thorwil: claiming the edubuntu/xubuntu tasks to be his work/leadership skills
[16:28] <thorwil> vish: i expect he will continue to act like he was, rather
[16:28] <darkmatter> but the asking only counts if he spells it 'ledder', right? :D
[16:29] <vish> lol
[16:30] <vish> thorwil: nah, he is at some point going to try to shut us up... and he cant do that without claiming leadership..  :)
[16:32] <thorwil> vish: he jumps on every case where someone thanks me and likened you to a schoolyard bully, so i don't see why you would think that ;p
[16:32] <vish> ;)
[16:33] <darkmatter> vish is cartman? that explains a lot ;)
[16:33] <coz_> lol
[16:33] <vish> shut up bit*#!!
[16:33] <darkmatter> lol
[16:33] <coz_> I like cartman :)
[16:34] <vish> cartman is awesome! :D
[16:34] <vish> the COON!
[16:34] <coz_> :)
[16:35] <coz_> so   vish  is the bully now?
[16:35] <vish> coz_: actually thorwil is the one.. ;)
[16:35] <coz_> :)
[16:36] <coz_> i would take over the role of bully but I tend to be very layed back
[16:37] <coz_> eeww
[16:37] <coz_> darkmatter   isnt he the christmas poo ?
[16:38] <vish> coz_: nobody bullied him.. long story short: he added a task for illustrative wallpapers to the *Artwork* wiki without asking anyone, so i moved it to his wiki namespace and told him to discuss it first..
[16:38] <darkmatter> coz_: yes. I was tormenting in another channel ;)
[16:38] <coz_> vish,  wow   that is pretty agressive behavior on your part   lol
[16:38] <coz_> damn bully
[16:38] <vish> yea.. ;)
[19:28] <vish> lol!
[19:28] <vish> now we have stumble upon invites ;p
[19:41] <kwwii> vish: ?
[19:42] <vish> kwwii: we today got not 1 , but 3  "Join me on StumbleUpon!" spam on the list ;)
[19:44] <kwwii> :P
[19:48] <vish> thorwil: do you have the translations icon from the spreadubuntu site?
[19:48] <thorwil> vish: queen elizabeth?
[19:48] <vish> :D
[19:48] <vish> still WIP..
[19:49] <thorwil> vish: has to be in https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/spreadubuntu_art
[19:51] <vish> thorwil: hmm, odd.. i must have been thinking of the current translate icon.. the one with the flags..
[19:52] <vish> oh, no it's gone! spreadubuntu got thorwilized!
[19:53] <thorwil> î played with a flag concept, too: http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/spreadubuntu_icons.png  http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/spreadubuntu_translate.png
[19:54] <vish> i think the flags are easier to recognize as local or whatever..
[19:55] <vish> but yeah, probably not 'translate'
[20:13] <vish> thorwil: i uploaded one, i think it would work for now.. until we have something better..


[16:34] <ahoneybun> seems Tom replied mhall119
[16:40] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I saw, hopefully you'll get a +/- 1 on those files soon
[16:40] <mhall119> though if we're not printing 15.04, I suppose there's no ruch
[16:40] <mhall119> rush
[16:41] <ahoneybun> true
[16:41] <ahoneybun> 15.10 will be printed if possible
[16:41] <ahoneybun> but at least the template is done (if those work)
[17:08] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I have no clue how to use inkscape...
[17:30] <mhall119> ahoneybun: it's not that hard, and there are good tutorials online
[17:31] <ahoneybun> do I need to cut around the red line?
[17:31] <ahoneybun> I'm guessing that part will not be printed anyway
[17:38] <mhall119> no idea, that's stuff tom should know
[17:40] <ahoneybun> the text is the old layer
[17:40] <ahoneybun> and I need to remove that old background
[17:56] <ahoneybun> I believe I got it
[17:58] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, Are you makin' a Linux poster? :o
[17:59] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: DVDs and sleeves for them
[17:59] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: no artwork for a Kubuntu DVD
[17:59] <Nothing_Much> cool
[18:01] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: I made a LoCo poster if you want to use that
[18:02] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I sent the front cover svg so far
[18:02] <ahoneybun> I'll work on the other one once I know Inkscape works
[18:03] <Nothing_Much> Is anyone around the Lake Mary area? I've submitted two applications to IT jobs ( hardware-based ), anybody know of any places hiring?
[18:05]  * Nothing_Much apologizes in advance
[18:06] <ahoneybun> in advance for?
[18:09] <Nothing_Much> Asking if there's any job openings anywhere in Lake Mary for IT stuff >.>
[18:11] <Nothing_Much> or anything that pays at least $11 an hour
[18:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/3167-ubuntu-hour-south-florida/


[01:22] <hallyn> If that really has the same effect I'd be all for changing it.
[05:33] <koolhead17> hi all
[10:38] <TeTeT> Daviey: if you've got some time, do you have an idea how to triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/728018 further?
[10:38] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 728018 in eucalyptus "10.04 LTS: Failure to start instance due to network address failure" [Undecided,New]
[10:40] <Daviey> TeTeT, looking
[10:41] <Daviey> TeTeT, remember when Lucid was released there was something like a 90% success rate?
[10:42] <TeTeT> Daviey: nope, don't remember that. So it this behaviour to be expected? What makes me ponder is, that I cannot start any new instances without tearing down the other ones first
[10:43] <Daviey> TeTeT, I suspect you have found a valid bug with 1.6.2...
[10:43] <Daviey> TeTeT, TBH, we really want to ditch 1.6.2...  and backport 2.0.X
[10:44] <Daviey> TeTeT, There were some SRU'd to address the failure to start and i /thought/ they were successful
[10:44] <TeTeT> Daviey: fine with me, I would test on 10.10, but the training cloud can only be setup with 10.04
[10:44] <Daviey> Upstream did a bunch of refactoring in 2.0 to address this properly.
[10:44] <Daviey> TeTeT, Yeah, i understand - it's a difficult situation
[10:45] <Daviey> TeTeT, The best i can suggest is raising it with upstream..
[10:45] <TeTeT> Daviey: who's raising it? Can I do that?
[10:46] <Daviey> TeTeT, I can see if i can get it escalated.
[10:46] <Daviey> TeTeT, Is this *urgent* or a pain?
[10:47] <TeTeT> Daviey: nothing urgent, just a finding of the uec scheduler script, I think I told you about. It does http and hadoop workloads on UEC right now
[10:48] <Daviey> TeTeT, Looking forward to seeing that in a demo :)
[10:48] <Daviey> TeTeT, Infact, i should just sign up to one of your courses. :)
[10:48] <TeTeT> Daviey: next one is start of April, you're welcome to join :)
[10:55] <Daviey> TeTeT, Fancy having one in the UK? :)
[10:56] <TeTeT> Daviey: it's all virtual, via spreed ;) so you can participate from around the world, though it starts 9am EST US
[10:59] <Daviey> Hmm.. filing with UTC conversion :)
[10:59] <Daviey> failing*
[10:59] <Daviey> UTC-8?
[11:02] <kim0> hallyn: ping
[11:02] <kim0> hallyn: I'm filing that MIR for spice and spice-protocol source packages, however the 1st requirement is that the pkgs are in Universe
[11:03] <kim0> afaict, they don't seem to be ?!
[11:19] <TeTeT> Daviey: 2pm your time I think, unless day time shifts are not the same
[11:22] <Daviey> TeTeT, oh great
[11:23] <Daviey> kim0, ah, looks like it might need a FFe then a MIR :)
[11:24]  * kim0 needs to learn about all the 3 letter acros :)
[11:24] <Daviey> kim0, sorry
[11:24] <kim0> Daviey: thanks for checking it out though
[11:24] <Daviey> Feature Freeze Exception
[11:24] <Daviey> BUT
[11:24] <Daviey> FFe can also mean Final Freeze Exception
[11:24] <Daviey> So, all good :)
[11:24] <kim0> hehe :)
[11:25] <kim0> hallyn: well, once you're up, let me know how to push this
[13:24] <hallyn> kim0: yeah soren mentioned this yesterday on #ubuntu-server.  So we need to get someone to sponsor getting it into universe.
[13:24] <hallyn> Someone like Daviey :)
[13:24] <hallyn> kim0: but have you tested it more?
[13:47] <Daviey> hallyn, I'm happy to review, and sponsor it to the NEW queue... but it will still need a FFe to get accepted into Universe
[13:49] <hallyn> Daviey: cool, thanks.
[13:49] <hallyn> Daviey: the question then is,
[13:49] <hallyn> with kvm being in main, what's the best way to handle dependency?
[13:50] <hallyn> Make it a 'Suggests', and let it just fail if user tries to use spice without the pkg from universe installed?
[13:57] <Daviey> hallyn, Do i understand correctly that this is built from the packages already in main?
[13:57] <Daviey> It's just a new binary package?
[14:00] <Daviey> Or is spice a separate source package?
[14:04] <Daviey> hallyn, ?
[14:05] <SpamapS> IIRC its its own source package
[14:05] <kim0> hallyn: hmm, no I haven't tested it yet .. I wanna do it now though
[14:07]  * kim0 installing
[14:08] <hallyn> Daviey: there are two new packages.  THey provide a library which qemu needs to be built against, plus a binary which is used as the client (in place of the vnc client)
[14:08] <hallyn> uh, well two new source packages.  More actual packages.
[14:10] <Daviey> hallyn, Then don't make any changes to qemu-kvm yet....
[14:10] <Daviey> hallyn, Show me the mone^D source.
[14:10] <Daviey> I'll upload it
[14:11] <Daviey> You deal with FFe of getting it in universe
[14:11] <Daviey> Erm, or kim0
[14:11] <Daviey> Get it ack'd for main
[14:11] <Daviey> Then make your changes to qemu-kvm
[14:12] <Daviey> then an archive admin will see it in component-mismatches, see the error - match it to the FFe, and promote it.
[14:16] <kim0> hallyn: In order to test I "apt-get install libspice-server1 spice-client" .. then launched qemu-kvm removing the -vnc option, and adding "-vga qxl -spice port=5930,disable-ticketing"
[14:16] <hallyn> Daviey: (I don't get the last sentence)  what kind of time frame is that?  How long usually in universe before MIR?
[14:16] <kim0> getting kvm: -spice port=5930,disable-ticketing: there is no option group "spice"
[14:16] <kim0> spice is not supported by this qemu build.
[14:16] <kim0> should I get a new kvm somehow?
[14:16] <hallyn> kim0: dpkg -l | grep qemu-kvm?
[14:16] <Daviey> hallyn, sorry, match it to the FFe|MIR reports.
[14:16] <kim0> ii  qemu-kvm                                 0.14.0~rc1+noroms-0ubuntu4                 Full virtualization on i386 and amd64 hardware
[14:17] <Daviey> hallyn, I think at this point in the cycle, potentially quite quickly.
[14:17] <hallyn> kim0: drat, there's been an update in main
[14:17] <kim0> hallyn: anyway I can force that version
[14:17] <hallyn> kim0: ok, cool
[14:17] <kim0> hallyn: I'm asking :)
[14:17] <hallyn> oh.  yes.
[14:18] <kim0> any way*
[14:18]  * kim0 slaps himself
[14:18] <hallyn> just go to https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/spice/+packages  and d/l the qemu-kvm .debs, and dpkg -i them
[14:18] <kim0> ah sweet
[14:18] <kim0> hallyn: btw libspice 0.8 is out
[14:18] <hallyn> bleh
[14:20] <hallyn> kim0: let me try and package the final 0.14.0 today.  I'll try spice 0.8 after that.  It took enough finagling to get versions matching that I"m weary of changing again :)
[14:20] <kim0> hehe
[14:21] <hallyn> biab
[14:26] <SpamapS> So this spice thing has just dropped in universe, not even in debian, and we're MIR'ing it now to link qemu-kvm against it?
[14:26] <SpamapS> doesn't that sound a little... aggressive ?
[14:28] <Daviey> Hang on....
[14:28] <Daviey> qemu-kvm links against spice, or the other way around?
[14:28] <RoAkSoAx> -_-
[14:31] <kim0> trying to run kvm, it's stopping with "kvm: pci_add_option_rom: failed to find romfile "pxe-rtl8139.bin"" .. any idea what's up
[14:31] <hallyn> kim0: it actually stops there?  That msg is usually spurious
[14:31] <kim0> hallyn: well I don't see any cpu usage
[14:31] <hallyn> kim0: you can install kvm-pxe which should provide that romfile if you need it
[14:31] <kim0> and spicec can't connect still
[14:32] <hallyn> kim0: what's your spicec cmdline?
[14:32] <kim0> spicec -h localhost -p 5930
[14:32] <kim0> that's kvm cmd line
[14:32] <kim0> /usr/bin/kvm -S -M pc-0.14 -enable-kvm -m 1024 -smp 2,sockets=2,cores=1,threads=1 -name win7 -rtc base=localtime -boot c -drive file=/dev/vgkimo/win7,if=none,id=drive-virtio-disk0,boot=on,format=raw,cache=writeback -vga qxl -spice port=5930,disable-ticketing -device AC97,id=sound0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x6
[14:32] <hallyn> SpamapS: we want qemu-kvm with spice support.  if we can do that with spice in universe I'm fine with it.  But I'm not sure the best way to do that
[14:33] <hallyn> kim0: hm. that's all I did...
[14:34] <kim0> mm
[14:34] <hallyn> kim0: what iso are you using?
[14:34] <hallyn> kim0: I used redhat
[14:34] <kim0> hallyn: it's an already installed win7 VM
[14:34] <hallyn> kim0: ubuntu guests may not work.  our grub is unfriendly
[14:34] <hallyn> oh.  i don't know if you can do that.  Does win7 have the qxl drivers?
[14:34] <kim0> yeah
[14:35] <kim0> it's not even booting
[14:35] <kim0> hallyn: is there some way to get both vnc and spice .. so I can take a look
[14:35] <hallyn> kim0: get rid of the -boot c
[14:36] <hallyn> i don't think you can do both at once
[14:36] <kim0> hallyn: still not crunching
[14:36] <Daviey> hallyn, I'm not following.... Does kvm need to link against spice?
[14:36] <hallyn> however if you do -monitor stdio, you can do 'info qxl or 'invo spice'
[14:36] <hallyn> Daviey: yes
[14:36]  * Daviey didn't realise that.
[14:37] <Daviey> i just assumed it was some socket..
[14:37] <hallyn> no, it does it's own wholly different way of encoding the video channel
[14:38] <hallyn> kim0: all right i'm walking to the other room where I can test.  not sure i have a windows vm handy, i'll see
[14:39] <Daviey> hallyn / kim0: Would it be better to PPA this?
[14:41] <kim0> hallyn: changed it back to vnc .. still not booting
[14:41] <SpamapS> hallyn: if qemu-kvm ends up depending on libspice ... that won't work. :-/
[14:41] <kim0> I think something is wrong with me just launching direct command line ( I always used virsh before)
[14:41] <SpamapS> hallyn: however, if it can use spice plugin-style, where its not linked.. that could work.
[14:42] <kim0> hallyn: any way to force libvirt to pass the "-spice port=5930,disable-ticketing" part ?
[14:43] <hallyn> kim0: good :)  then it's not my fault :)
[14:43] <hallyn> SpamapS: you can't
[14:44] <hallyn> kim0: I think libvirt is supposed to support spice...  i'm not sure if there was a configure flag needed for that
[14:44] <hallyn> smoser: who exactly is the local xen expert?
[14:44] <Daviey> hallyn, traditionally it's been zul
[14:44] <hallyn> I could use some help in nailing down bug 728519
[14:44] <Daviey> hallyn, fwiw, upstream expressed interest in getting xen rocking on ubuntu
[14:44] <kim0> trying to start it from virsh now results in  "error: operation failed: failed to retrieve chardev info in qemu with 'info chardev'"
[14:45] <hallyn> when a guest is upgraded, one of its network links goes down;  but when reinstalled it never does
[14:45] <hallyn> zul: ^
[14:46] <Daviey> hallyn, zul is away
[14:46] <hallyn> oh, right.  i half remember that
[14:46] <hallyn> thanks
[14:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah.. if its linked.. then a MIR is going to be required.
[14:48] <SpamapS> and, IMO, should not land post FF
[14:49] <hallyn> rephrase
[14:49] <hallyn> oh, meaning you'd object to an FFE
[14:50] <hallyn> SpamapS: I'll remember that next time you need a favor :)
[14:50] <hallyn> j/k.  i don't think i want to push it for natty
[14:50] <Daviey> hallyn, You don't lose anything by trying the process :)
[14:50] <Daviey> The worst that can happen is you'll get a nack
[14:50] <Daviey> and perhaps sacked. :)
[14:51] <hallyn> It has to be in by 12.04.  I feel better about ppa in 11.04.  Except that there are so many *&(*$% updates to qemu-kvm lately that keeping ppa uptodate will be painful
[14:53] <kim0> kvm launched now .. starring at a blank screen
[14:53] <kim0> trying to figure out hwo to debug it
[14:54] <SpamapS> hallyn: :)
[14:54] <hallyn> still windows?
[14:54] <kim0> yeah
[14:54] <hallyn> all right let me get settled into my call and then go to my test laptop.  biab
[14:54] <SpamapS> hallyn: isn't that what build recipes are for?
[14:54] <kim0> btw .. fedora had shipped a separate binary "qemu-spice" that seems to have spice enabled .. would that be helpful in our case
[14:55] <hallyn> SpamapS: maybe
[14:55] <SpamapS> we could actually do that
[14:55] <hallyn> SpamapS: but that still requires several steps (and lots of bandwidth) for each update
[14:55] <SpamapS> like we do for the unsavory bits of php
[14:55] <hallyn> uh,
[14:55] <hallyn> there are savory bits?
[14:56] <hallyn> kim0: sigh.  yes, I was hoping to avoid that, but that may be the thing to do
[14:56] <SpamapS> my favorite twit of last week... DEVOPS_BORAT -- "Openstack is PHP of cloud"
[14:56] <kim0> hehe :)
[14:57] <kim0> I removed the spice cli options, and kvm is still not starting for me
[14:57] <kim0> the sdl window mentioned "stopped"
[15:12] <ranger03> I am using UEC 64-bit Ubuntu 10.10 server. I dont have the ami at this moment.  I am using the default kernel 2.6.22-virtual..I would like to upgrade my kernel to the latest version. How can I do that? apt-get update;apt-get upgrade OR apt-get dist-upgrade?
[15:21] <kim0> ranger03: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:25] <ranger03> and that updates my UEC Ubuntu EC2 to the latest kernel available? Will I get to see the kernel version before the new kernel gets installed ?
[15:27] <kim0> ranger03: r u running on UEC or EC2
[15:29] <ranger03> EC2..
[15:29] <kim0> ranger03: ok, then it depends on whether the image you started is recent enough to be using pv-grub
[15:30] <kim0> in either cases, what I mentioned will show you the kernel version
[15:30] <kim0> and nothing bad will happen, either it will boot the new kernel, or the older one
[15:30] <kim0> after reboot verify kernel by "uname -r"
[15:30] <kim0> and see if it matches the new version that was just installed
[15:31] <ranger03> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/current/
[15:32] <kim0> ranger03: when did you start your AMI
[15:32] <ranger03> trying to find my AMI on the web..I can find the AMI on AWS..but I want to find out where I got my first AMI
[15:33] <ranger03> http://aws.amazon.com/amis/4350?_encoding=UTF8&jiveRedirect=1
[15:33] <ranger03> us-east-1: ami-548c783d     <--64-bit EBS Ubuntu 10.10 US-EAST-1A
[15:36] <ranger03> logged into launchpad...some good info there as well
[15:38] <kim0> ranger03: you got nothing to worry about IMO
[15:38] <kim0> ranger03: just upgrade and see if it boots the new or old version
[15:39] <ranger03> Some weird kernel issues in Ubuntu 10.10 EC2...the default is pretty stable...but also has issues of kernel crashing under 'moderate to high io' load
[16:40] <koolhead17> hi all
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> sadwin 28
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> arrrrrrrrrrgh
[16:46] <kim0> koolhead17|afk: hey
[17:15] <hallyn> kim0: uh, well shoot.  it appears there is a bug in qemu-kvm debian/rules (which has been there for some time, and I refuse responsibility :).  So you probably don't have kvm support right now!
[17:15] <hallyn> fixing right now
[17:34] <hallyn> kim0: interesting.  I guess the build farms set up the environment 'just so' so that it worked anyway
[20:16] <gtaylor> Anyone else notice that Ubuntu EC2 instances take forever to come back up after a reboot?
[20:16] <gtaylor> Assuming it has something to do with an EBS or Ephemeral drive taking a while to mount
[20:16] <gtaylor> (I've got nobootwait for all secondary mounts, but the root EBS must be slow mounting sometimes)
[21:02] <kim0> hallyn: so I should wait for a kvm rebuild right .. that's fine
[21:07] <hallyn> kim0: no i don't think that was the problem
[21:12] <kim0> hallyn: My win7 VM is now blue screening .. I'll probably be reinstalling soonish
[21:29] <hallyn> kim0: but what does it do with -vga cirrus?
[21:29] <kim0> hallyn: is that different from -vga std ?
[21:29] <kim0> with std it bluescreens
[21:29] <hallyn> yup
[21:29] <kim0> now I'm reinstallation already .. so sorry :)
[21:30] <hallyn> heh, np
[21:30] <hallyn> debugging win7 != my cup of tea
[21:30] <kim0> wonder if I'll actually use lvm snapshots for testing
[21:30] <kim0> always diliked em
[21:30] <hallyn> sure!
[21:30] <kim0> disliked*
[21:31] <kim0> might try it though
[21:31] <kim0> can't btrfs grow up faster
[21:31] <kim0> :)
[21:32] <hallyn> seconded!
[21:33] <hallyn> but lvm snapshots shouls be perfect for potentially destructive testing
[21:33] <kim0> and while we're at it, release samba4 .. been waiting for that two employers back :)
[21:33]  * kim0 nods
[21:33] <kim0> will use it
[21:34] <kim0> hallyn: you're testing was launching a rhel installation with qxl ?
[21:34] <kim0> your*
[21:36] <hallyn> yeah, rhel6
[21:37] <hallyn> i will see if my technet subs is still good and try win7 in the morning though
[21:37] <kim0> I wonder if anaconda actually started X with qxl device backend
[21:37] <kim0> I remember reading spice has a "base" unaccelerated mode, something like vesa
[21:38]  * kim0 looks at Windows installation → 60% done
[21:38] <kim0> wonder if an SSD would make a huge difference
[22:10] <kim0> installation errored in a very sweet spot, allowing me to snapshot the disk at a "very first boot" state .. nice :)
[22:33] <kim0> hallyn: getting "
[22:33] <kim0> shm open failed .. permission denied
[22:34] <hallyn> where?
[22:35] <hallyn> are you still using virt-manager?
[22:35] <kim0> well yes
[22:35] <kim0> or virsh
[22:35] <kim0> This error is too common as well
[22:35] <kim0> error: operation failed: failed to retrieve chardev info in qemu with 'info chardev'
[22:35] <kim0> any idea what that means
[22:35] <hallyn> is there anything more in /var/log/libvirt/?
[22:36] <hallyn> libvirt is not very useful when testing basic qemu functionality :)
[22:36] <kim0> do_spice_init: statistics shm_open failed, Permission denied
[22:36] <kim0> 2011-03-09 00:36:32.947: shutting down
[22:37] <kim0> I'm not using "sudo virsh" if I should be
[22:37] <kim0> also a bit scared it might change ownership to root
[22:37] <kim0> hallyn: I guess the question is, how to allow my user shm_open permission
[22:39] <hallyn> ls -l /dev/shm
[22:40] <kim0> hallyn: many files owner by me there (pulse and mono)
[22:40] <kim0> owned*
[22:40] <hallyn> there should be a 'spice.%d' (%d being a pid)
[22:40] <kim0> it dies immediately
[22:40] <hallyn> I really think this is an issue with libvirt though
[22:41] <kim0> should I need a sudo somewhere ? :)
[22:41] <hallyn> For today I'd recommend doing an install with kvm on cmdline
[22:41] <hallyn> checking libvirt git log
[22:41] <kim0> I guess I can just launch the same installation with a direct kvm launch
[22:42] <kim0> I'm just never sure which of the 100 different options libvirt passes is needed :)
[22:42] <kim0> trying direct launch
[22:47] <kim0> hallyn: profit!!
[22:47] <kim0> works
[22:47] <hallyn> If you just do 'kvm -drive file=PATH,if=virtio,index=0 -cdrom win7.iso -m 1024M -smp 2 -vga qxl -spice port=9999,
[22:47] <hallyn> oh cool
[22:47] <hallyn> heh then I won't finish my cmdline :)
[22:47] <kim0> without installing the acceleration driver
[22:48] <hallyn> hm
[22:48] <kim0> probably in that "vesa" mode thing
[22:48] <kim0> now .. installing qxl drivers
[22:48] <hallyn> in any case i good luck :)
[22:48] <hallyn> i need to go bribe open-vm-tools to stop beating me up
[22:48] <kim0> hehe :)
[22:48] <kim0> cool
[22:51] <kim0> grr, qxl driver is not on the virtio-win iso
[22:57] <kim0> located qxl driver .. installing
[23:00] <kim0> woohoo more profit
[23:00] <kim0> testing video playback .. torture time
[23:06] <kim0> ok this definitely looks accelerated
[23:08] <hallyn> kim0: cool!
[23:08] <kim0> hallyn: yeah indeed ;)
[23:09] <kim0> if only we can fix get this working with virsh, so I can get audio too :D
[23:09] <kim0> s/fix//
[23:10] <kim0> My wild guess is, libvirt runs under a different user that can't access shm or something
[23:19] <hallyn> kim0: is there anything in /var/log/syslog, perhaps from apparmor, preventing the access?
[23:20] <kim0> hallyn: spot on
[23:20] <kim0> it is
[23:20] <kim0> how do I cure that :)
[23:21] <kim0> I wouldn't mind turning off apparmor for now
[23:21] <hallyn> kim0: what precisely is the error?
[23:21] <kim0> type=1400 audit(1299626386.897:119): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" parent=1 profile="libvirt-d0aef59c-912b-0e75-9b34-d48807a5824d" name="/dev/shm/spice.6219" pid=6219 comm="kvm" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=119 ouid=119
[23:21] <hallyn> kim0: we should be able to add a simple rule to /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu I think
[23:22] <kim0> that would be lovely
[23:22] <kim0> hallyn: the strange part .. there's some other DENIED error as well
[23:22] <kim0> type=1400 audit(1299626386.527:117): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=23613 profile="/usr/lib/libvirt/virt-aa-helper" name="/tmp/virtio-win-1.1.16.vfd" pid=6207 comm="virt-aa-helper" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=119
[23:23] <kim0> but I'm pretty sure that vfd file was accessible
[23:23] <hallyn> Can you try adding '/dev/shm/spice.[0-9]* rw,' to that file?
[23:23]  * kim0 goes to add
[23:23] <hallyn> one sec
[23:24] <kim0> do I need to "reload" the rules somehow
[23:24] <hallyn> /etc/init.d/apparmor restart *might* work
[23:25] <hallyn> I'm still trying to verify whether 'w' will allow mknod
[23:25] <kim0> hallyn: it does :)
[23:26] <hallyn> excellent
[23:27] <hallyn> yay, open-vm-tools build success.  now to try the dkms part
[23:27] <hallyn> kim0: heading out for some dinner soon, ttyl
[23:27] <kim0> c ya
[23:32] <kim0> hallyn: if you care about it, virt-manager cannot display the graphics with the embedded viewer
[23:32] <kim0> it says "Cannot display graphical console type spice, no module named SpiceClientGtk"


[01:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:06] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:34] <lordievader> 👋
[07:49] <marcoagpinto> guys, do menus and pop-up menus accept an image bigger than 16x16 pixels?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! Hello!
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> doing the exercises
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> :p
[11:15] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[14:18] <lotus|i5> https://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-releases-new-linux-graphics-driver-with-many-improvements-and-bug-fixes-527209.shtml
[14:19] <lotus|i5> EoflaOE: UWN material ^ ?
[17:59] <leftyfb> man, pivot_root is insane
[17:59] <leftyfb> I just pivoted the running Ubuntu 16.04 and completely re-imaged it's drive with a new OS
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> pivot_root moves the root file system of the current process to the directory put_old and makes new_root the new root file system
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> sounds handy leftyfb never used it myself
[18:01] <leftyfb> it's pretty nuts
[18:02] <leftyfb> it still had some hold on the drive which prevented me from modifying partitions correctly. I actually removed the drive from the scsi_host and rescanned the bus
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> neat
[18:11] <sarnold> leftyfb: crazy indeed :)
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> whats the deal currently with chromium? is it going snap only or not? i still see apt version too
[18:32] <leftyfb> I think I heard not until 19.10?
[18:32] <EoflaOE> hi lotuspsychje
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> ah
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[18:33] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: yeah it looks a bit like that's pushed to eoan but not the earlier releases
[18:33] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: How are you doing?
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> from +1  Version 76.0.3809.100-0ubuntu1~snap1 (eoan)
[20:22] <sarnold> tomreyn: i'm going to guess probably ondrej's openssl is installed too, and afaik the answer after that is "please file a bug report at ondrej's github"
[20:56] <tomreyn> sarnold: ondrejs openssl would do this then?
[20:56] <tomreyn> sorry, i only noted this now.
[20:56] <tomreyn> i assume ondrej's openssl would not behave like a centos one.
[21:42] <sarnold> tomreyn: heh, I'm not sure what exactly ondrej's openssl does :( I just know that it seems to cause more trouble than it solves
[21:42] <sarnold> tomreyn: maybe the happy users don't come on irc to report that they are happy users..
[21:42] <sarnold> the php bits make perfect sense; we're not offering the variety of versions that he does. but openssl.. sigh
[21:49] <tomreyn> i think the issue here was the virtuozzo hosting provider
[21:51] <tomreyn> they aparently replaced /usr/lib/ssl's default contents by something they found on a centos system.
[21:54] <tomreyn> and a user, if they actually knew their trusted CAs was set / overridden that way it, could only fix it by mounting some other directory over this non-writable vtzfs (virtuozzo deduping file system) location.
[21:54] <tomreyn> sarnold: ^
[21:55] <tomreyn> vps (in the containers, not proper virtualization sense) are just bad, people should no longer rent them
[21:56] <sarnold> tomreyn: *wow*
[21:56] <sarnold> tomreyn: what a mess
[21:57] <tomreyn> yes :-/
[21:57] <sarnold> tomreyn: I know I've seen more than a few of *those* messes as well. "why I can't install security updates?" "tell your provider to boot into a kernel from this year"
[21:57] <tomreyn> http://dpaste.com/3H50XPT
[21:58] <tomreyn> hardcoded CAs there, provided by hosting provider
[21:58] <tomreyn> *hardwired
 huh, can't move the directory: http://dpaste.com/0S7Y4RS
 hmm, / is a "vzfs" mount which apparently is a virtual fs type that allows sharing between containers
 tomreyn: openvz
[22:03] <tomreyn> proper VMs are cheap now, 3 usd / month, there's really no need for doing this to oneself anymore.
[22:04] <sarnold> no kidding
[22:05] <sarnold> it's one thing to use containers *yourself* as a density thing
[22:05] <sarnold> but to have them done *to* you feels pretty mean
[22:05] <sarnold> I think my irssi aws instance is about that, three-ish bucks a month. it'll never win performance awards but it's cheap :D
[22:05] <tomreyn> yes, especially the way cheap hosts do them to you
[22:09] <tomreyn> aws is more expensive, i think t2.nano on demand is 4.17 USD/month
[22:10] <tomreyn> others got double resources for half the price
[22:13] <sarnold> oh yes? :) I'm by no means wedded to aws, I just happened to have an account there when I needed this thing on short notice..
[22:15] <tomreyn> cx11 (default / shared cpu) is said to be very good: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb
[22:16] <tomreyn> they dont seem to actually share those cores, yet
[22:17] <tomreyn> and you can probably save 20% vat on it soon, too :-/
[22:17] <sarnold> US here, no VAT :)
[22:18] <sarnold> I'm not used to seeing english on hetzner pages, hah
[22:18] <tomreyn> oh, i was thinking you were in uk
[22:18] <tomreyn> maybe the ping is bad then
[22:18] <sarnold> yeah, it wouldn't be anyuwhere near as nice as I've got now
[22:19] <tomreyn> azure is also a lot cheaper than aws
[22:19] <sarnold> sigh aws drops icmp.
[22:20] <tomreyn> you forgot to buy premium traffic.
[22:20] <sarnold> lol
[22:20] <sarnold> itmight be configurable .. but finding out would take time that doesn't *really* help anything :)
[22:20] <tomreyn> yes, it really exist
[22:20] <tomreyn> oh you mean icmp may be configurable, not sure there
[22:21] <tomreyn> maybe the firewall prolicies, yes
[22:22] <sarnold> yeah
[22:22] <tomreyn> how about https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/
[22:22] <tomreyn> i.e. canada
[22:23] <sarnold> iirc stgraber uses them
[22:23] <tomreyn> dedicated server starting at 5 usd ;)
[22:32] <sarnold> those look pretty good. thanks tomreyn :)
[22:34] <tomreyn> sarnold: make sure you also read the TOS, though. kimsufi is OVH's lowest support level. "ask in forum"
[22:34] <sarnold> ouch
[22:34] <sarnold> granted I almost never *need* support
[22:35] <sarnold> but if I needed it going to a forum doesn't sound fun :)
[22:35] <tomreyn> they do handle those requests, but it can take a day or two to have a hdd replaced
[22:38] <tomreyn> hmm actually they have a control panel there now, so maybe my info is outdated
[22:38] <tomreyn> yes they have request ticketing now.
[22:39] <sarnold> yay