[00:07] <asac> fta: what do i want?
[00:08] <fta> no template, but a hack with $0
[00:08] <asac> fta: you certainly have found all those mail tweaks in bugzilla?
[00:08] <fta> it's just a patch that has been committed today, written by [reed] :)
[00:09] <asac> fta: The CC field changes
[00:09] <asac> doesnt work?
[00:09] <fta> eh?
[00:09] <[reed]> fta: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email
[00:10] <fta> hhmm, thanks
[00:10] <asac> fta: quite easy to find imo: preferences -> email preferences
[00:13] <fta> good. done
[00:13] <fta> g++ -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE  -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -pedantic -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions  -fexceptions -Wno-unknown-pragmas -fPIC -shared -Wl,-z,defs -Wl,-h,libxpcomclucene.so -o libxpcomclucene.so  flockLucene.o flockLuceneImp
[00:13] <fta> l.o flockLuceneThread.o flockLuceneModule.o     -lpthread -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions  -Wl,-rpath-link,../../../../dist/bin  ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a -L../../../../dist/bin -lxpcom -L/usr/lib -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4 -lpthread -ldl /usr/lib/libclucene.a -Wl,--version-script -Wl,../../../../build/unix/gnu-ld-scripts/components-version-script -Wl,-Bsymbolic -ldl -lm
[00:13] <fta> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libclucene.a(FSDirectory.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[00:13] <fta> /usr/lib/libclucene.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[00:13] <fta> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[00:13] <fta> make[8]: *** [libxpcomclucene.so] Error 1
[00:13] <fta> damn amd64
[00:39] <asac> fta: where is libclucene from?
[00:39] <asac> is that packaged?
[00:39] <fta> yzq
[00:39] <fta> yes
[00:40] <asac> why didn't i find it yet?
[00:40] <fta> --with-clucene-prefix=/usr  and libclucene-dev
[00:40] <asac> i searched for lucense for C multiple times
[00:40] <asac> stupid me
[00:41] <asac> c++ ... ok
[01:10] <Hawkskater> hello
[01:12] <Hawkskater> so, hows firefox 3 coming?
[01:14] <asac> with v(MAX)
[01:14] <asac> :-P
[01:18] <asac> Hawkskater: are you running RC1 from hardy-proposed?
[01:18] <Hawkskater> no, im running 3 beta 5, i havent gotten around to installing the rc
[01:20] <asac> its simple. add hardy-proposed or the mozillateam PPA sources to sources.list
[01:20] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[01:20] <fta> asac, hardy/libclucene is broken: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15025765/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.flock_2.0%7Ea1%7Esvn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1%7Efta4%7Ehardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:20] <asac> but hardy-propopsed is more up to date
[01:20] <Hawkskater> asac thanks
[01:21] <asac> fta: do they ship any .o files by accident?
[01:22] <fta> who ? clucene or flock ?
[01:22] <asac> flock
[01:23] <fta> looking
[01:23] <fta> nope
[01:28] <fta> debian bug 460328
[01:29] <Hawkskater> asac
[01:44] <asac> Hawkskater:  yes.
[01:44] <asac> RC is better
[01:44] <Hawkskater> any great new features?
[01:45] <asac> but b5 wasnt really bad either. but as always there is no objective measure here what is really good
[01:45] <asac> Hawkskater: no ... feature work was done before beta even ;)
[01:45] <asac> polishing mostly
[01:45] <Hawkskater> oh, i might want to update
[09:15] <MechtiIde> hello and good morning, I want to configure a calender/mail server using for less then ten users. Which software do you suggest and where can I find documentation to configure server _and_ client
[09:15] <MechtiIde> the client should be Thunderbird/lightning
[09:16] <asac> MechtiIde: you can configure a webdav server
[09:16] <asac> that should be enough
[09:16] <asac> for calendaring
[09:16] <asac> for mail you can used something independent
[09:16] <asac> whatever you prefer
[09:16] <asac> i assume you want an imap server
[09:17] <MechtiIde> asac, where do I find a HowTo or something similar?
[09:17] <asac> there are a bunch with different targetted audienced ... i cannot give a preference for servers
[09:17] <asac> MechtiIde: google "setup webdav apache"
[09:17] <asac> apt-cache search imap server
[09:18] <MechtiIde> and a WebDav dokumentation for User not for developer
[09:18] <asac> if you have a specific imap server google for "setup XXXSERVER ubuntu"
[09:18] <asac> MechtiIde: google like above
[09:19] <MechtiIde> thanks for the right words to look for
[09:21] <asac> MechtiIde: you can also seay "setup webdav apache ubuntu"
[09:21] <asac> :)
[09:21] <asac> thats the second hit: http://www.digital-arcanist.com/sanctum/article.php?story=20070427101250622
[09:22] <asac> our wiki could deserve a page for WebDAV setup ... maybe summarize your experiences there for other users
[09:22] <asac> MechtiIde: ^^
[09:23] <MechtiIde> I will describe it
[09:23] <MechtiIde> also for Debian/Lenny
[09:27] <armin76> asac: bumb!
[09:28] <asac> dump
[09:28] <armin76> bumb rc2!
[09:29] <asac> armin76: we already are far ahead ... RC2 is for the weak
[09:30] <armin76> lol
[09:33] <asac> given that gentoo is not really the place to find the weak ... and given that you dont distribute with official marks ... how about always tracking trunnk in gentoo :)
[09:33] <asac> that would surely give you credits on fta side ;)
[09:34] <armin76> haha
[09:34] <armin76> no way :P
[09:34] <asac> bah, i stand corrected: gentoo is a place for the weak ;)
[09:34] <armin76> i do other stuff more interesting than mozilla :P
[09:34] <asac> compiling X?
[09:34] <asac> :-D
[09:34] <asac> and OOO
[09:34] <asac> to test latest compiler tweaks
[09:35] <armin76> lol
[09:35] <asac> -O666 -Wl,-DTHE_NUMBER_OF_THE_BEAST
[09:35] <armin76> no, i do arch testing, something ubuntu and debian doesn't do :P
[09:35] <asac> yeah
[09:35] <asac> much appreciated
[09:35] <asac> debian has some QA though
[09:35] <asac> just depends on wheteher ther are users at all for lets say s390 desktop ;)
[09:36] <armin76> and we aren't stuck with old kernels :P
[09:37] <asac> are we?
[09:37] <asac> is debian?
[09:37] <asac> did debian enter base freeze yet?
[09:37] <armin76> Linux i2 2.6.26-rc4 #1 SMP Wed Jun 4 11:43:22 UTC 2008 ia64 31 GenuineIntel GNU/Linux *g*
[09:37] <armin76> no idea
[09:39] <asac> thats for the weak for sure ;) ... you should be unning 2.7.0
[09:39] <asac> hah, outdated ... latest is 2.6.26-rc5
[09:40] <armin76> its a dev box, i don't reboot it everyday :P
[09:40] <asac> haha
[09:41] <armin76> but you don't have one! do you?
[09:41] <armin76> fail!
[09:43] <asac> 2.7? sure ... i am a strong guy and spoof the version umber just to impress the world
[09:48] <armin76> i mean a dev box :P
[09:48] <armin76> gtg
[09:49] <fta> my dev box is my desktop at home. an all-HEAD desktop :)
[09:50] <asac> fta: can you please to a maintainence change for the current intrepid mozilla-devscripts?
[09:50] <asac> all those things like mercurila should not be depends, but recommends
[09:50] <asac> let me know if you can do it ... otherwise ill fork out the release and do it as its now blocking intrepid biulds
[09:51] <asac> fta: do you track linux HEAD too?
[09:51] <asac> which branch? -mm ?
[09:52] <fta> not anymore, used to for years
[09:52] <asac> fta: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15053195/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.midbrowser_0.3.0rc1a-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:53] <asac> midbrowser fails because of devscripts
[09:53] <asac> mercurial should be available though ... not sure. but better drop the depends and make them recommends
[09:53] <asac> lower the risk of pulling something broken ;)
[09:54] <asac> fta: mercurial is in universe
[09:54] <fta> done
[09:56] <asac> fta: which branch is the stable update branch?
[09:56] <asac> i cant upload 0.09 ... i need a spin of for 0.08
[09:56] <fta> even for intrepid ?
[09:56] <asac> yes
[09:56] <fta> why ?
[09:57] <asac> i need a fix now ... cant risk that something breaks
[09:58] <fta> well, the only change is mozclient, it's not automatically used by packages
[09:58] <asac> dont bother ... ill do it
[09:59] <fta> i've closed 0.09 already
[09:59] <asac> thats not a problem
[10:00] <fta> it is if you have no intention to push it
[10:05] <asac> ok i have done it ... look if you are happy like it is
[10:06] <fta> where ?
[10:09] <fta> well, 0.09 is not pushed so there's no point in starting 0.09.1, i'd better unclose 0.09 for now
[10:09] <fta> I need to run, i'll think about it
[10:09] <asac> fta: i dont think its a problem. you can close 0.09.1 ... didnt want to unclose
[10:09] <asac> but do as you wish
[10:11] <asac> ok i creatd .hardy branch ... will mark main branch as development and that as mature
[10:12] <asac> fta: if you undo the release, please do a full bzr merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts.intrepid.0.08.1
[10:12] <asac> so we can mark that branch as merged without loosing the ploaded commit
[10:13] <asac> once midbrowser is build we can upload 0.09 :)
[10:13] <asac> or 0.09.1
[10:45] <armin76> quick
[10:49] <asac> [reed]: so what kind of mechanism should we use in bugzilla to track ubuntu forwarded bugs?
[10:50] <asac> did we say keyword? ... or did we say "CC virtual user" ?
[10:50] <asac> did we come up with other options?
[10:55] <asac> bug 147119
[10:58] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052912 Firefox/3.0 <- interesting
[10:58] <armin76> rc2 identifies itself as 3.0
[10:58] <asac> armin76: rc1 too for me, no?
[10:58] <asac> at least in about ;)
[10:59] <armin76> no idea
[10:59]  * armin76 checks
[11:01] <armin76> yup, you're right
[11:01] <armin76> i didn't notice :D
[11:02] <asac> mozilla releases _real_ RCs ;)
[11:02] <asac> which isnt that bad
[11:06] <gnomefreak> this is odd
[11:06] <gnomefreak> can anyone see me?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> it seems as if im  still syncing
[11:07] <fta2> yes
[11:08] <gnomefreak> fta2: thanks
[11:08] <gnomefreak> it seems as if the channels are syncing 5 at a time
[11:08] <armin76> i can't
[11:09] <gnomefreak> did anyone open a bug on RC2 for the release?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i havent checked mail to see when it will release yet
[11:10] <fta2> rsn
[11:10] <gnomefreak> rsn?
[11:10] <armin76> haha
[11:11] <armin76> gnomefreak: ubuntu already has 3.0 final :)
[11:11] <gnomefreak> armin76: they ended up releasing RC1 as final?
[11:11] <armin76> yeah! bad ubuntu *g*
[11:11] <armin76> j/k
[11:11] <gnomefreak> armin76: there was a bug or 2 blocking
[11:12] <gnomefreak> armin76: are you just looking at the FF title bar or did you hear this from mozilla
[11:13] <armin76> woot?
[11:13] <armin76> rc2 is already released
[11:13] <gnomefreak> armin76: when was it released? yesterday?
[11:13] <armin76> or today
[11:13] <armin76> read mozilla.com :P
[11:13] <armin76> err
[11:14] <armin76> .org
[11:14] <gnomefreak> armin76: havent gotten that far yet and i will have it in email anyway
[11:15] <gnomefreak> who has pine + thunderbird + IMAP?
[11:15] <armin76> This entry was posted by beltzner on Wednesday, June 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
[11:15]  * gnomefreak didnt think thunderbird read files from you ~/SHOME yet include them in TB folders
[11:16] <gnomefreak> seems to me RC2 is borked
[11:16] <armin76> lol
[11:17] <gnomefreak> This is bugging the hell outta me and I can't find a way to roll back
[11:17] <gnomefreak> to RC1. Any idea?
[11:18] <gnomefreak> gonna ask if its google tool bar causing that :) if i ever get TB to help me out
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: in what way is RC2 borked?
[11:26] <asac> important to figure out instead of rolling back
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: its looking like extensions the more i read it
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i posted comment asking about GTB
[11:26] <asac> GTB?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> GooleToolBar
[11:27] <asac> ah
[11:27] <asac> does that work at all?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: does thunberbird look for folders/mail from hard driver? like make folder in pine adn Tb will pick it up
[11:28] <gnomefreak> asac: AFAIK its still broken
[11:28] <gnomefreak> las i heard Google only updated API for certain sites like gmail
[11:28] <asac> fta2: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15056277/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.midbrowser_0.3.0rc1a-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:28] <asac> still fails
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: see bug 122529 as i have neverheard of TB looking in ~/Mail for folders nor mail
[11:30] <gnomefreak> it was closed at one time but user reopened it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[11:31] <asac> well ... you can use movemail
[11:31] <asac> then you can probalby specify that as the location
[11:32] <asac> maybe you can even set a custom location for Mail for certain accountgs
[11:32] <asac> fta2: i wonder if builds now require recommends too
[11:32] <asac> cant see which version was pulled in ... will retry in an hour
[12:11] <gnomefreak> is it possible to set TB2 to offline mode for incoming and online for outgoing? yes it saounds silly but very helpfull when you have ~2000 emails and more just keep coming in
[12:12] <asac> dont think so
[12:12] <asac> why?
[12:13] <asac> hmm
[12:13] <asac> you say a "stop the flood button" ?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> too many coming in while im working on sending email so it would same me the time to keep scrolling
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: yes :)
[12:13] <asac> hmm
[12:14] <gnomefreak> and what are the little orange "stars" or "circle"
[12:14] <asac> intersting approach ;)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> next to new mail
[12:14] <asac> why is that a problem?
[12:14] <asac> thunderbird should keep the currently selected mail active
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: time consumming to keep reading the email (its almost like) im looping without a breaking point
[12:16] <gnomefreak> it does but since i work from top to bottom of the list of mails and only comment on some the rest stay marked as unread until im done just incase i missed something
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe sort by date?
[12:18] <asac> not by thread?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i guess ill have to change how they are viewed
[12:19] <asac> i think you are right
[12:19] <asac> what one would want is going through mails by date, but still viewing thread
[12:19] <asac> e.g. you could manually go up and down single steps with cursor
[12:19] <asac> but the next mail button would go to next mail by date
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe thats the case?
[12:20] <asac> you can hit 'j' to get to next mail
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yeh that about right. I just hate the fact that no matter what view its not helpful with that many emails. i wonder if someone has a extension for something  like that :)
[12:25]  * gnomefreak has an idea
[12:25] <gnomefreak> have all my outgoing comments ready to send than turn tb back online and send them :)
[13:05] <gnomefreak> asac: got another firefox/thunderbird should save files "****" bug 175286
[13:08] <asac> gnomefreak: thats fixed in hardy
[13:08] <asac> look at a changelog to infd the dupe
[13:08] <gnomefreak> k
[13:08] <gnomefreak> in FF3 or 2?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> asac: im not seeing it https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0 nor in firefox source package
[13:13] <asac> gnomefreak: no thats fixed in thunderb
[13:13] <asac> irdf
[13:13] <asac> firefox 3 has it fixed
[13:13] <asac> ffox 2 wontfix
[13:16] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox-3 fix was ours or upstreams?
[13:17] <gnomefreak> fucking thunderbird feature is broken cant send unsent mails after turning it back online
[13:18] <asac> gnomefreak: fffox 3 == fixed upstream
[13:18] <asac> tbird 2 == fixed here
[13:18] <asac> ffox 2 == wontfix
[13:18] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:21] <gnomefreak> i cant send mail in tb :(
[13:21] <gnomefreak> thats alot of replys that wont get sent
[13:24] <gnomefreak> bug 192888
[13:27] <asac> only 50 bugmails in fox3 folder left :
[13:27] <asac> )
[13:29] <asac> [reed]: you think bug 236610 aspect was already discussed or even fixed?
[13:29] <asac> e.g. invalid cert in an iframe where the user cannot reach the "add exception ..." button?
[13:39] <asac> gnomefreak: can you confirm bug 236901
[13:39] <asac> ?
[13:39] <asac> let me know
[13:39] <gnomefreak> k
[13:39] <gnomefreak> im thinking gmail has issues today
[13:42] <gnomefreak> file > close works fine asked me to delete personal info and loaded the bug page in tab
[13:43] <gnomefreak> andd it works fine using the X in upper right hand corner. I DONT SEE A RED X anywhere. maybe its a theme hes using?
[13:45]  * asac lunch
[13:45] <gnomefreak> commented on bug
[13:47]  * gnomefreak heading to drs. appointment not sure how long i will be gone but once noon gets here <in about 3hours and 15 minutes
[14:08] <armin76> asac: 233610 sucks, tbh :P
[14:08] <armin76> we'll miss the dialogs :(
[14:49] <asac> bug 233610
[14:49] <asac> mozilla bug 233610
[14:49] <asac> armin76: not sure what you mean
[14:50] <armin76> asac: 236610 :P
[14:52] <asac> armin76: gentoo thing?
[14:52] <armin76> bug 236610
[15:04] <asac> bug folder all read
[15:25] <asac> 400 to go in ffox 2 folder :(
[17:51]  * Admiral_laptop is smooth...
[17:51] <Admiral_laptop> I deleted everything in /usr/bin that I needed
[17:52] <Admiral_laptop> basically the whole core-utils package..
[17:52] <Admiral_laptop> time to go fix it..
[17:52] <Admiral_laptop> gah, wrong channel.
[17:56] <armin76> fail
[18:15] <asac> ^^ was that ment for this channel :) ?
[18:15] <asac> oh he already noticed
[18:15] <asac> i should work on screens that have more than 10 lines ;)
[19:25] <campd> asac: what do you guys do with crash reporting/breakpad?
[19:40] <asac> campd: multiple options.
[19:40] <asac> campd: 1. send all stacktraces we currently have somewhere
[19:41] <asac> campd: 2. in future enable crashreporter and arrange with you so that you can properly analyze those crashes
[19:41] <asac> e.g. work how to get dbg symbols to you and so on
[19:43] <asac> campd: would you be willing to help us get things sorted on your side?
[19:46] <campd> I can find the right people to talk to :)
[19:46] <campd> do you just disable the crash reporter for now?
[19:46] <asac> campd: for now its disabled. we have our own distro solution, e.g. we get all crashes reported as bugs
[19:46] <campd> yeah
[19:46] <campd> cool, thanks
[19:47] <asac> but i want to change that ;) ... tell me what we need to do before we can able crashporter
[19:47] <asac> np
[19:51] <campd> asac: so basically what you'd need to do is send us symbols, and point the crash reporter at our crash reporting server
[19:52] <campd> asac: Ted Mielczarek can give you more detail about what you'd need to do
[19:52] <asac> campd: true. but what symbols ... how do you select the right ones? you probably need the symbols for all depends as well
[19:53] <campd> either<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or you can ask on dev-platform
[19:53] <asac> campd: yeah, i know him. i wanted to talk with him about it once in #breakpad, but then things got in between
[19:54] <asac> campd: whats your mozilla.com address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[19:54] <campd> dcamp@
[19:56] <campd> asac: is the data generated by your crash reporter available publically anywhere?
[19:57] <asac> campd: its all in bugs.
[19:57] <asac> every crash is one bug.
[19:57] <campd> ah
[19:57] <asac> i can show you one
[19:58] <asac> there is a text file attachment that has the thread stack trace
[19:58] <campd> how is dup management handled?
[19:58] <asac> campd: if you can use those to inject them in your database i could arrange to send you all files in a batch
[19:58] <campd> I dunno how that'd work
[19:58] <asac> campd: we have a database running on the server that tries to match them. doesnt work that great for  mozillas
[19:58] <asac> but in general it works
[19:59] <asac> still nothing as streamlined as breakpad
[19:59] <campd> cool
[19:59] <asac> campd: bug 188540
[20:08] <asac> campd: ok i sent a starter mail to you and ted.
[20:12] <campd> asac: cool, thanks
[20:13] <asac> probably a bit confusing without context. hope that is ok for a start
[20:13] <campd> looks fine to me
[20:20] <asac> jcastro: thanks received the mail from sonbird folks and will answer that
[20:20] <asac> by tomorrow the answers should be there
[20:25] <asac> Jazzva: hey
[20:26] <Jazzva> asac: Here I am...
[20:26] <asac> Jazzva: howdy?
[20:27] <Jazzva> asac: Pretty good ... You? :)
[20:27] <asac> same same
[20:27] <asac>  ;)
[20:27] <asac> Jazzva: how are your merges going for this cycle?
[20:27] <asac> wanna get you in ubuntu-dev ;)
[20:27] <Jazzva> asac: Not so good... have been lazy
[20:27]  * Jazzva is ashamed
[20:27] <asac> hehe
[20:28] <Jazzva> asac: So far: liferea, ksimus, and... lemme check
[20:28] <asac> how can i motivate you?
[20:28] <asac> Jazzva: did i upload liferea yet?
[20:28] <asac> otherwise give me link ... ill do that now
[20:28] <Jazzva> asac: Nope :).
[20:28] <Jazzva> Ok, wait a second
[20:28] <Jazzva> asac: I have also been helping norsetto with gnome-mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer :)
[20:29] <asac> Jazzva: yeah ... i know. he asked me to sponsor them to debian
[20:29] <asac> which ill do
[20:29] <Jazzva> asac: liferea is bug 228827
[20:29] <asac> at least i plan to
[20:29] <Jazzva> And tracker. That's it so far...
[20:30] <asac> Jazzva: there is still no full debdiff :/
[20:30] <asac> thought you said you attached that?
[20:30] <Jazzva> asac: Well, I think that should be the one without po
[20:31] <Jazzva> Every time I asked about po changes, I was told to remove them from the final debdiff...
[20:31] <Jazzva> Let me see on ubuntu-motu.
[20:33] <armin76> asac: what about me! :P
[20:33] <Jazzva> asac: I'll try to find some merge to do it tonight. :)
[20:34] <asac> armin76: you? ... i thought you ----><---- that close from getting banned on all public irc networks:-P ... now you want to be a ubuntu-dev?
[20:34] <asac> hehe
[20:35] <armin76> haha
[20:35] <armin76> why would i get banned? :P
[20:36] <Jazzva> asac: There is the comment on #ubuntu-motu... Let me just check the changelog :). If there is no mention of those rare cases, I think the debdiff without-po is the final one...
[20:37] <asac> Jazzva: ok i am building and uploading
[20:37] <asac> i dont mind.
[20:37] <asac> just remember to follow up in case liferea gets regressions :)
[20:38] <Jazzva> Ok... I haven't seen any while I was messing around with it.
[20:39] <Jazzva> asac: How many votes would I need for ubuntu-dev?
[20:44] <asac> Jazzva: just consent i think. there is no absolute number
[20:44] <asac> Jazzva: if you have a few that would be good ... if you have noone against you thats even better ;)
[20:45] <asac> Jazzva: updating my subscriptions doesnt work
[20:45] <asac> i get (-) signs next to the subscription
[20:45] <Jazzva> asac: Well, you said you would give one. pochu mentioned he would be willing to say he was happy with those two merges, but that he doubts it wouldn't mind. And I might ask norsetto, if he would support me. I don't know if anyone else remembers me
[20:45] <Jazzva> asac: lemme run it
[20:47] <asac> hmm hostname could not  be found
[20:47] <asac> whats gong on
[20:48] <Jazzva> asac: It works here... updates correctly
[20:48] <Jazzva> Dunno what's wrong
[20:49] <Jazzva> I'll test the debdiff again :/
[20:49] <asac> yeah ... let me check
[20:49] <asac> i have a wierd feeling
[20:49] <asac> Jazzva: are you using xulrunner 1.9 rc1?
[20:50] <Jazzva> Yes
[20:50] <Jazzva> 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[20:50] <Jazzva> That one
[20:50] <asac> works?
[20:50] <Jazzva> Let me build with the debdiff...
[20:50] <Jazzva> Just to see if everything is ok.
[20:51] <Jazzva> But with the deb I made, everything works. Updates the feeds.
[20:51] <asac> Jazzva: ok works here :-P
[20:51] <asac> proxy bustage
[20:51] <Jazzva> asac: Phew :)
[20:51] <asac> most likely in combination with the mobile xulrunner build i am using
[20:51] <asac> which has a patch to auto sync things from gconf
[20:51] <asac> and i tested with proxy yesterday :)
[20:52] <Jazzva> Ah... I see.
[20:52] <Jazzva> So, I haven't messed up (...yet)? :)
[20:54] <asac> Jazzva: ok. i think thats great
[20:54] <Jazzva> asac: ...regarding the votes. I don't know if anyone would be against me. Nobody complained to me directly. (which doesn't mean that nobody wont on voting)
[20:54] <Jazzva> *won't
[20:56] <asac> hehe
[20:56] <asac> sure
[20:56] <asac> i doubt there will be someone against you
[20:56] <asac> Jazzva: do we do carry a diff to debian that moves things to quilt?
[20:58] <Jazzva> asac: We switched to quilt, because Debian did that. And then I just remade the Ubuntu patches, to be for quilt
[20:58] <Jazzva> So, I suppose we don't...
[21:00] <asac> Jazzva: ok uploading
[21:01] <Jazzva> asac: Thanks :)
[21:01] <asac> thanks
[21:01] <asac> done
[21:01] <asac> Jazzva: have you tried to enable webkit?
[21:02] <Jazzva> asac: I didn't know we provide webkit :/. Now I see we do... I haven't tried that.
[21:02] <asac> Jazzva: would be a high profile task :)
[21:03] <asac> if that works well we have to move webkit to main i guess and doing that will cause some visibility for you ;)
[21:03] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, I'll try... But don't expect I'll succeed :)
[21:03] <asac> Jazzva: na ... should work
[21:03] <asac> maybe you need to update webkit to latest from debian
[21:03] <asac> but why now
[21:03] <Jazzva> Actually, I'll try it right now :)
[21:03] <asac> not
[21:26] <Jazzva> asac: Test building liferea with webkit ... so far no breakages.
[21:27] <Jazzva> And now it's compiling source files...
[21:32] <asac> bug 38131
[21:34] <asac> bug #198453
[21:38] <Jazzva> asac: Any way how can I check if liferea uses webkit?
[21:38] <Jazzva> asac: Oh, there is the message in the terminal :)
[21:38] <asac> Jazzva: ldd /usr/bin/liferea
[21:39] <asac> or any binary it distributes
[21:39] <asac> hehe
[21:39] <Jazzva> Note: WebKit HTML rendering support is experimental and
[21:39] <Jazzva> I suppose it is with webkit :)
[21:39] <asac> does it work good?
[21:39] <Jazzva> Let me test it a bit... Adding a feed, removing a feed, updating, etc... :)
[21:41] <Jazzva> asac: Can you check the post in Planet Ubuntu, published today at 12:59PM.. The name of the blog/poster is not displayed correctly, but with boxes with utf character code in them.
[21:45] <asac> only have a post at 12.49
[21:45] <asac> err, most recent is 22:10
[21:45] <asac> my history doesnt get that far
[21:45] <asac> i wiped my .liferea-1.4 dir :)
[21:46] <Jazzva> Ah... ok, I'll remove liferea-webkit, to see if it's ok :)
[21:48] <Jazzva> asac: It's the problem with liferea (or my character support...), and not with liferea-webkit
[21:49] <Jazzva> asac: So, at the first glance, it works fine.
[21:49] <asac> ok. do we have latest webkit?
[21:51] <Jazzva> asac: the same as in debian
[21:52] <Jazzva> it's 0~svn32442-1
[21:53] <Jazzva> And the change to the package it's really little. Just adding debian/liferea-webkit.* files from Debian's package, enabling it in debian/{control,rules}
[21:59] <Jazzva> asac: So, are we doing liferea-webkit package?
[22:02] <asac> Jazzva: thats good
[22:02] <asac> we can probably enable it and push it
[22:03] <asac> Jazzva: have to get webkit to main though
[22:03] <asac> Jazzva: can you look how epiphany with webkit currently looks like?
[22:03] <asac> if that is already in a usable state we can do that migration too i guess
[22:04] <Jazzva> asac: You mean to build it? there is no package in ubuntu
[22:07] <asac> Jazzva: right ;)
[22:07] <asac> i think webkit is disabled
[22:08] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, I'll get our package and enable webkit :).
[22:41] <crimsun> asac: WRT libflashsupport, it's a bit complicated.  It was never a real solution, so it shouldn't be used in either hardy-* or intrepid.  The PulseAudio source package doesn't need to be adjusted in hardy-*; it may be in intrepid (i.e., promoting libasound2-plugins from Recommends to Depends).
[22:42] <crimsun> asac: So, for intrepid, libasound2-plugins is the intended path, since it functions with flashplugin-nonfree much better than libflashsupport (not to mention alsa-lib is fixed).
[22:42] <Jazzva> asac: Could we do the merge of epiphany-browser from debian, and then try to enable the webkit during the merge?
[22:43] <crimsun> asac: it is not possible to cleanly SRU alsa-lib into hardy-*, because the necessary bits will cause apps compiled against hardy's libasound2-dev to break.
[22:49] <Jazzva> asac: At least, I would go that way... :)
[22:54] <asac> crimsun: i agree on dumping libflashssupport
[22:54] <asac> crimsun: so what are the alsa-lib changes? isnt it just a the pulse plugin that needs to be enabled + flash 10?
[22:55] <crimsun> asac: no, we need a fixed alsa-plugins source package (see bzr) /and/ a fixed alsa-lib source package
[22:55] <crimsun> (for hardy-*, that is)
[22:56] <crimsun> alsa-plugins bits are fairly trivial and already in bzr
[22:56] <asac> right. just wonder what fix is it that requires alsa-lib to break ABI?
[22:56] <asac> crimsun: alsa plugins == pulse plugin/module for alsa right?
[22:56] <crimsun> I'll dig up the specific changesets, just on the phone ATM
[22:57] <crimsun> (WRT alsa-lib)
[22:57] <asac> crimsun: ok thanks
[22:57] <crimsun> yes, alsa-plugins contains pulse pcm & ctl
[22:57] <Jazzva> asac: If you have few minutes :)... Would you be ok if I try to do epiphany merge? It seems big, mostly Makefile.in's that couldn't be merged. So, I suppose I should just keep Debian files for that. Any other warnings? (in case you're fine with me doing the merge)
[22:58] <Jazzva> (you are the last uploader for it...)
[22:59] <asac> Jazzva: which merge?
[22:59] <Jazzva> asac: epiphany-browser
[22:59] <asac> Jazzva: i just upgraded epiphany-browser to latest upstream :)
[22:59] <asac> i am not really sure that epiphany-browser is really based on debian packages
[22:59] <Jazzva> asac: Hmm... I downloaded <IP_ADDRESS> (I think) half an hour ago... Now I noticed there is a merge waiting in Debian. So, merge is a no-go way.
[23:00] <asac> Jazzva: 2.22.2 is in proposed
[23:00] <asac> and intrepid
[23:00] <asac> iirc
[23:00] <Jazzva> asac: Looking at the changelog, I think we merged in the hardy cycle. But, there were many changes since then...
[23:01] <asac> our chanages are mostly for xulrunner 1.9
[23:01] <asac> we probably need to keep them
[23:01] <asac> try to do the merge, but try to keep the xulrunner 1.9 changes for now
[23:01] <asac> (if the merge is about 2.22.2 at all)
[23:02] <asac> otherwise we have to wait till debian updates their package to 2.22.2
[23:02] <Jazzva> Nope... I think it's still <IP_ADDRESS> in debian.
[23:03] <Jazzva> Ok... I'll try to pick their changes in order to enable webkit, and put them in our package...
[23:03] <asac> Jazzva: yeah ... do a three way merge ;)
[23:04] <Jazzva> Is that a good thing :)?
[23:04] <Jazzva> what is a three way merge exactly?
[23:04] <asac> better would be to do the debian upgrade and then merge ;)
[23:04] <asac> not sure who is debian maintainer
[23:04] <asac> but maybe its lool?
[23:04] <asac> you can certainly ask him to upload to debian
[23:06] <asac> Jazzva: well. now i remember: you should actually packag elatest 2.23 snapshot
[23:06] <asac> thats where all the epiphany webkit work happens
[23:06] <Jazzva> asac: Josselin Mouette and slomo... and Debian GNOME maintainers
[23:06] <asac> and we can drop xul changes as xul backend is gone
[23:06] <asac> ok
[23:07] <asac> Jazzva: maybe just try a local build for latest trunk of epiphany
[23:07] <asac> if that is good we should talk to seb first
[23:07] <asac> on how to coordinate that
[23:07] <asac> he has plans for 2.23 soon
[23:07] <Jazzva> So, for now, we go with 2.23...
[23:07] <Jazzva> Right?
[23:07] <asac> so he probably wants 2.23 packaged
[23:07] <asac> Jazzva: right ?... but dont put too much efford in packaging. maybe just try to build upstream sources and see in what state the tree is
[23:08] <asac> maybe upstream currently does some heavy lifting and its not suitable to be packaged at all right now
[23:09] <Jazzva> umm... ok. I'll see what I can do
[23:12] <asac> Bug 227274
[23:12] <asac> hmm gnomefreak set that to triaged
[23:13] <Jazzva> Ok... I'm off for 10-20 minutes.. See you soon
[23:52] <fta> http://vcscompare.blogspot.com/2008/06/on-mainline-merges-and-fast-forwards.html
[23:56] <fta> http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.com/2008/06/dvcs-comparison-on-mainline-merges-and.html


[00:00] <membrell_> ali: can you name me some big chains or stores where you can buy this type of things? I can check their websites just i have no clue about the big herbal brands and pharmacy brands in the uk..
[00:02] <ali1234> i could but i've already checked them all
[00:02] <ali1234> which means boots and holland & barrett
[00:05] <membrell_> and they dont have any of these?
[00:05] <ali1234> no
[00:06] <membrell_> hm, thank you for your search
[00:06] <membrell_> and this maybe: Swanson Ultra 100% Natural Eggshell Membrane ? or anything which contains only Natural Eggshell Membrane?
[00:07] <membrell_> i need 500mg/day dose
[00:07] <ali1234> no, nothing containing eggshell of any kind
[00:10] <membrell_> its strange
[00:11] <membrell_> i found many scientific research papers and it says its already in the canadian, usa and uk market
[00:11] <membrell_> but i see its  relatively new technology maybe thats why its difficult to find
[00:16] <membrell_> anyway ali1234 thank you for your help, at least you understood my issue, big thanks
[00:16] <daftykins> lul
[00:17] <daftykins> it's not about understanding
[00:18] <membrell_> daftykins: so, its about not helping?
[00:18] <daftykins> totally irrelevant for this channel yep
[00:18] <daftykins> plus i'm not from England so don't know their shops anyway
[00:19] <daftykins> it's just ridiculous that you would have such a plan to begin with, let alone to come on freenode and ask for help with it :P
[00:19] <daftykins> ho-hum
[00:20] <membrell_> ok, do you have any better idea?:)
[00:21] <ali1234> go to hospital?
[00:21] <daftykins> yes, go anywhere but here
[00:21] <daftykins> go to your doctor
[00:21] <membrell_> ali1234: I have been visiting doctors since august, MRI, ultrasound, xray, all happened...
[00:22] <daftykins> do something that's actually responsible, not looking for wonder cures
[00:22] <membrell_> its not wonder cures, its real science
[00:22] <daftykins> haha, yeah whatever
[00:22] <membrell_> if you check the links you can see yourself
[00:22] <daftykins> i don't care for your links
[00:24] <membrell_> so why are you questioning something without any base or knowledge just because its against of your taste?
[00:25] <daftykins> nevermind, you're a waste of my time
[00:25] <daftykins> goodbye
[00:25] <membrell_> daftykins: sorry, i dont want to disturb you, im just looking for help to solve my issue
[00:26] <membrell_> ali1234:  and this one? http://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/NEM
[00:26] <daftykins> #ubuntu-uk is for the support of an *operating system*
[00:27] <ali1234> wb
[00:27] <ali1234> membrell_: just get some cod liver oil, it does the same thing
[00:28] <membrell_> ali1234:  no, its very different
[00:28] <membrell_> also its different then glucosamine sulfate and MSM and chroinditin, because its doing something else
[00:28] <membrell_> and this is very natural product
[00:29] <ali1234> cod liver oil is natural
[00:29] <ali1234> and glucosamine comes from shellfish
[00:30] <membrell_> its true
[00:31] <membrell_> http://www.wholefoodsmagazine.com/news/breaking-news/eggshell-membrane-provides-joint-relief-clinical-trial853453
[00:31] <membrell_> this is a clinical trial made in november, 2014
[00:31] <membrell_> in germany
[00:31] <membrell_> they just accepted it a few weeks ago
[00:43] <membrell_> and maybe (maybe) this is the solution: http://www.reddremedies.com/Nerve-Shield.html or this: http://www.reddremedies.com/Joint-Health-Original-30.html I just have to find it where to buy in london, but it seems to be a mission impossible
[00:47] <membrell_> thank you for your help guys
[00:47] <membrell_> bye for now
[00:47] <membrell_> i wish you good health:) thanks ali1234  for your searches
[00:47] <membrell_> bye
[04:48] <mapps> HOMELAND TIME
[04:48] <mapps> :)
[04:48] <Anastasius> Is it?
[04:48] <mapps> yes
[04:48] <mapps> :D
[04:48] <mapps> you dont watch it?
[04:49] <Anastasius> I actually haven't seen it. Heard it was good, though.
[04:49] <mapps> ya tis dope
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:48] <MooDoo> morning
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:51] <popey> yo
[08:53] <DJones> Ugh, I hate seeing accidents on the way to work, even worse when its a child hit by a car
[08:54] <popey> ☹
[08:57] <MooDoo> DJones: omg :(
[08:58] <MooDoo> DJones: poor thing :(
[08:59] <DJones> Yeah, didn't look good, I'm assuming it was a child, covered completely in coats, police & ambulance nowhere in sight yet and local hospital is only about 5 minutes away
[08:59] <MooDoo> fingers crossed it wasn't too serious, as being hit by a car can be :L(
[08:59] <MooDoo> :(
[09:00] <DJones> Very much crossed, but the fact that they were completely covered including the face & head makes me think its more serious
[09:00] <MooDoo> i'm going with the, to keep them warm on this very cold day approach!
[09:00] <MooDoo> thinking nice thoughts
[09:01] <DJones> Must have only happened a couple of minutes before I got there, I think the kids mother had just come running to the accident
[09:02] <MooDoo> :( it was bloomin icy this morning, had to scrape my car.
[09:02] <DJones> No ice here yet, but still cold enough to start the cars before going to work to warm them up
[09:03] <MooDoo> it's warming up here slowely...just cold
[09:03]  * popey did the dutiful husband thing and went out to start wifeys car
[09:03] <popey> then quickly came back in
[09:04] <DJones> Its always the same, the husband is the one that has to go out and start the cars, even when they're working from home & still dressed for bed
[09:04] <popey> ☻
[09:04] <popey> hope mine is defrosted by the time I use it this afternoon
[09:19] <foobarry> ford heated windscreen ftw
[09:19] <foobarry> although wifey takes to kids to school on foot
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> better for them
[09:22] <popey> would take us about 1 hour to walk to school.
[09:23] <MooDoo> ouch
[09:23] <popey> with the amount they have to carry on a monday morning, not happening
[09:23] <foobarry> evernote was using 1.6gb in 2 tabs :S
[09:24]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the school bag i carried that weighed a tonne.  so much nicer when we got lockers in school to store the heavy books there and only carry them home when needed
[09:24] <foobarry> yeah, used to have a fear of ever forgetting the right book so i would take every textbook i had every day
[09:25] <foobarry> enough to give an 11yr old scoliosis
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> and while i like ereaders and ebooks i don't think that using them as reference works is as fast as using proper paper book
[09:25] <foobarry> are there good pdf annotators for android?
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> was gaming on saturday and while we all have tablets and the books in pdfs we all carry the paper books to the game
[09:26] <popey> "gaming"?
[09:26] <popey> like D&D? ☻
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> well except me, my bag is full of nerf instead of books :-)
[09:27] <foobarry> wargaming, fantasy?
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> ad&d, played first d&d 5 over the weekend.  first level character again... 12 hit points.  so fragile... :-) https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/536325948665503744/photo/1
[09:28] <foobarry> is it all book based or you have characters you move around too
[09:28] <DJones> MooDoo: Looks like the crossed fingers worked, just seen a news report saying na teenager & nine year old girl weren't seriously hurt
[09:29] <popey> phew
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> click the link and you'll see we use table top minatures too.  our dm has massive collection of minatures
[09:29] <foobarry> ah, you need some terrain from http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=f
[09:29] <MooDoo> DJones: great news.
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> we just draw on the grid map with white board markers.  have seen terrain used and we have a few bits that we sometimes use.  but markers is enough
[09:41] <foobarry>  but less fun
[09:41] <foobarry> ;)
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> well the scenery would end up in the way when arguments over rules break out and the nerf comes into play so we got fun covered too :-)
[09:45] <foobarry> you might probably enjoy reading achtung schweinehund
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Celebrate Your Unique Talent Day! :-D
[09:49] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait how are you this fine day!
[09:50] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I'm feeling pretty rubbish this morning, tbh.
[09:50] <foobarry> JamesTait has a unique talent for commitment to the daily thing
[09:51] <JamesTait> foobarry, I'm uniquiely irritating. ;)
[09:51] <foobarry> mere mortals would have put a call on teh mailing list for maintainers long ago
[09:54] <directhex> for the curious, 2 pieces of microsoft's MIT-licensed .net have been injected into mono now - the parallel LINQ implementation, and their RegEx implementation
[09:54] <awilkins> Is Mono GPL or BSD-style?
[09:56]  * awilkins answers own question
[09:56] <foobarry> is it easier at this point to relicence mono
[09:56] <awilkins> Tools - GPL ; Runtime - LGPL ; Class libraries - X11
[09:57] <awilkins> AFAIK you still need Mono's tools and runtime
[09:57] <awilkins> Just the class libraries won't run without them
[10:01] <awilkins> Only really a concern if you intend to embed the runtime in something (from a commercial licensing perspective)
[10:01] <awilkins> For which Xamarin will happily flog you a commercial license
[10:22] <foobarry> is REST API have global standards, or is a per app implementation?
[10:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: I hope you aren't just sending random strangers to my naughtstep
[10:28] <diplo> foobarry, I don't believe they have standards, best practises. SOAP is more standardised as far as I can make out
[10:28]  * foobarry is poking in the dark
[10:30] <diplo> foobarry,
[10:30] <diplo> http://spf13.com/post/soap-vs-rest
[10:30] <diplo> I've read a couple of posts like that, but all the suppliers we seem to interact with are using SOAP
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> SOAP is evil
[10:31]  * TwistedLucidity uses SOAP
[10:31] <diplo> It is :)
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> It's even more evil when clients and servers won't talk, despite them using the same libraries! Seems they can't correctly interpret their own WSDLs.
[10:35] <diplo> Biggest issue I've had is with hosts blocking me access to the wsdl and the company supplying it not having it up to date
[10:35] <diplo> IT works though, 95% of the time
[10:36] <TwistedLucidity> We used to have issues like that, we now generate the WSDL and the proxies with each build. Makes life much easier.
[11:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: \o/ I celebrate my ability to break stuff
[11:45] <JamesTait> davmor2, is that unique, though? :-P
[11:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: to the level that I break stuff :)
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi>  most people aren't proud of it ;-)
[11:59] <daftykins> mornin'
[11:59] <daftykins> aww yes got there just in the remaining minute
[12:02] <Azelphur> Anyone here smart with fonts? I've got a font in conky and I'm trying to draw the same font in gimp at the same size, but they seem to use completely different sizing, wonder if anyone can help me figure that out.
[12:03] <Azelphur> I found some documentation online that claims conky uses "size of the font in pixels" but gimp font size px 8 is more like conkys size 15
[12:10] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's when you turn it into a plus like hmmm testing software for example :)
[13:55] <ujjain> is the kindle hdx 7,8 at 99pound worth it? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CYR6UTM/
[13:55] <ujjain> people here have it? how horrible is it not to have access to the google play store?
[13:56] <foobarry> i had no idea you couldn't access play store
[13:57] <daftykins> maybe you can mod it on there :D
[13:57] <brobostigon> yep it uses amazons app store insted.
[13:58] <brobostigon> that is possible, yes daftykins
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> is amazons store lacking much?  i get half my apps on android tablet from f-droid these days but i'm an unusual case
[13:58] <daftykins> ujjain: probably quite limiting on app count
[13:58] <ujjain> I hear about getting Google things on Amazon tablets being very messy, I googled a bit.
[14:00] <ujjain> e.g. first search, cloudmagic e-mail, not in amazon store
[14:00] <daftykins> ujjain: just get a samsung galaxy tab 4 or something
[14:01] <daftykins> here's the rule i live by for the most part... buy something for what it *is* capable of, not for what you think it might be able to do
[14:01] <ujjain> well, I don't like the Samsung (bastardized) version of Android, but it'd probably be easier to install an own one yes.
[14:01] <brobostigon> get a nexus, problem solved.
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> depends on what you want to use tablet for
[14:02] <brobostigon> you can get cyanogenmod on many amazon tablets, and then throw gapps on it.
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> for me a card slot AND 7 hour + battery life were 2 most important things
[14:02] <brobostigon> i agree, touchwiz sucks donkeys balls.
[14:02] <ujjain> Samsung specs seem less than impressive as well. Nexus seems old.  :D
[14:04] <brobostigon> i know it is, for the first hidl.
[14:04] <directhex> daftykins: wise advice.
[14:05]  * daftykins tips his hat
[14:05] <brobostigon> hudl*
[14:07] <awilkins> How about those Asus transformerpads?
[14:07] <awilkins> Does the keyboard still work
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> i was really interested in those transformer pads till they changed the connector between version 1 and 2.  seems like they could have made a connector design that would last more than 1 generation
[14:17] <brobostigon> yes, microusb.
[14:22] <foobarry> ujjain: hudl2 is intel processor
[14:22] <foobarry> if you mind about that kind of thing
[14:24] <ujjain> what is the difference between intel vs arm? less support in custom firmware or?
[14:24] <foobarry> i was thinking heat and battery life
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> and there's also the kickstarted campaign for the raspitab https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019641820/raspitab-the-first-tablet-with-raspberry-pi-inside
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> for less locked down os
[14:25] <daftykins> oh deary me.
[14:25] <ujjain> ah ok, right. I never thought of that, I'll definitely read about that.
[14:25] <foobarry> when i played with androidx86 then some apps didn't work , but that must now be fixed noawadays
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> i think it requires the developer compile a version for x86 doesn't it?
[14:30] <foobarry> i think so
[14:31] <foobarry> i guess thats more common now
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> so if they didn't or can't be bothered too you're left stuck
[14:31] <intrbiz> unless there was some binary translation layer
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> coz java is already a speedy beast...
[14:32] <intrbiz> a JIT in theory can beat native, as it can make use of optimisation at runtime that a compiler might not be aware of
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> 'theory' :-)
[14:33] <intrbiz> Java has a warm up time, due to it being a JIT
[14:33] <intrbiz> but it will easily out perform things like: Python, Perl, Ruby
[14:34] <intrbiz> and you get the advantages of a safe, GCed language over C / C++
[14:34] <intrbiz> plus, Android doesn't use the Java byte code
[14:34] <ujjain> Yeah, I hear Java is very very fast, which I do sometimes find hard to believe since all the desktop Java apps seem slowish even after a slow startup
[14:35] <intrbiz> Dalvik has a completely different byte code and a totally different virtual CPU arcitecture, Dalvik being a register machine and Java a stack machine
[14:36] <daftykins> i see unity still has single pixel wide activation areas for window / sidebar resizes
[14:36] <daftykins> how has this never been rectified O_O
[14:36] <intrbiz> ujjain: I mainly do server side Java stuff, Java's GUI stuff is frankly shit
[14:36] <ujjain> Yeah.
[14:36] <ujjain> But Java is still hard compared to scripting languages to program in, right?
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> they petitioned for half pixel activation areas but couldn't sort the technical problems :-p
[14:37] <ujjain> are there even many Java frameworks that would offer you features like verifyEmailAddress?
[14:37] <intrbiz> ujjain: Swing is horrid both to look at and use
[14:37] <daftykins> i believe android 5.0 moves to using ART as default anyway, which 'compiles' the app at install time and runs it from that form instead of the standard way
[14:37] <intrbiz> ujjain: depends what you call hard and what your problem domain is
[14:38] <intrbiz> daftykins: yes, ART uses Ahead Of Time compilation rather than Just In Time, interestingly the earlier Android (2.1 and 2.2) releases didn't have a JIT at all
[14:39] <ujjain> I have no idea, I sometimes want to spend free time at work to learn interesting stuff, but it gets a bit boring without a good goal.
[14:40] <ujjain> ah Swing, never knew that was the name, very typical Java interface yeah. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Gui-widgets.png - Even without the logo.
[14:40] <ujjain> I haver some issues with Android L on my Nexus 5, battery life seems to have actually gotten even a little worse.
[14:41] <ujjain> I suspect having used a 2amps charger might have damaged my Nexus 5 battery
[14:41] <intrbiz> yes, bizarely, the 'Metal' look and feel is intentional, they wanted Java apps to look consistent across platforms
[14:41] <daftykins> devices should only take what power they want, no more
[14:41] <intrbiz> just a shame they didn't hire a designer
[14:41] <daftykins> doing android device upgrades without a factory reset is pretty pointless anyway
[14:41] <intrbiz> I've used SWT and QT before when I wanted a sane GUI
[14:41] <daftykins> it's like upgrading OS on your computer ;)
[14:42] <intrbiz> ujjain: most phones these day use a 2A charger, my S4 certainly does
[14:43] <awilkins> daftykins, alt-middleclick-drag is an easier way to resize windows in Unity
[14:43] <intrbiz> plus the LI-ion charge chip will charge the battery at the correct current regardless of the USB supply
[14:44] <daftykins> awilkins: ah interesting - kind of defeats the purpose to ruin the standard methods of operation though
[14:44] <awilkins> I did a wipe-and-factory-image of Android L on my Nexus 4 and 7 (2012) ; I'm quite pleased with the improvement in battery life
[14:44] <awilkins> And the new OS is spiffy, of course
[14:45] <daftykins> looks really ugly to me :(
[14:45] <ujjain> intrbiz, ah ok, then no worries on using a 2amp charger.
[14:45] <awilkins> Been using the 2A charger for my N7 on my N4 for ages
[14:45] <ujjain> spiffy hihi, I love English people using their language
[14:45] <awilkins> No damage that I've noticed
[14:45] <ujjain> I might have to consider doing a wipe-and-factory, might help.
[14:46] <ujjain> but the screen is unresponsive for like 2 seconds in the new battery saver mode, it seems a bit strange.
[14:46] <daftykins> it will do, unless you let Google keep backups
[14:46] <daftykins> that's kind of like restoring a bad /home to me
[14:46] <awilkins> I keep /home on a separate partition
[14:47] <awilkins> So I tend to reinstall / move home folder / move things back that I need to keeo
[14:47] <awilkins> keep
[14:47] <ujjain> I let Google keep back-ups and store all my private data, but it feels these days there are so many custom configurations, then I guess I'll just postpone the formatting, next time will definitely get a phone with proper battery.
[14:47] <awilkins> But I've upgraded the last 2 releases
[14:47] <daftykins> that doesn't affect restoring it post upgrade potentially bringing in issues
[14:50] <awilkins> No 1 Unity thing that annoys me : when you select an app icon from the dash, wanting to see it's window
[14:50] <awilkins> And a *tiny* sliver of it's Window is on this workspace
[14:50] <awilkins> It doesn't move
[14:51] <awilkins> Should put the workspace with the centre of the window on, not the closest workspace with a teeny sliver of window on it
[14:51] <daftykins> heh
[15:15] <popey> \o/ hudl
[15:16] <popey> I dont see any ports to the hudl2
[15:19] <Laney> blerg, double council taxing
[15:20] <MooDoo> Laney: oh dear
[15:20] <popey> 14:25:57 < foobarry> when i played with androidx86 then some apps didn't work , but that must now be fixed noawadays
[15:20] <popey> still a problem
[15:21] <popey> there was a brand new game out recently, crashed on start on hudl2
[15:21] <popey> i reported it as broken on Google play, gave it 1 star, they pushed out an update with two lines "* bug fixes" and "* Add x86 build"
[15:21] <popey> now it works ☻
[15:26] <ujjain> Can you manage AWS instances with Puppet?
[15:26] <ujjain> I want to improve my skills, everywhere I read puppet and Amazon AWS
[15:30] <foobarry> popey: which game?
[15:30] <popey> some new thing from the angry birds people
[15:30] <popey> a plane thing
[15:30] <popey> really hard
[15:30] <awilkins> Angry Planes?
[15:31] <ujjain> haha
[15:31] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJRAlUS1Byo
[15:37] <popey>  its called "RETRY"
[15:43] <daftykins> Branston \o/ https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l9zroz8ijidgs5n/AADGYRD9OmFO4Bd7Ewn9zgg0a?dl=0
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> i'll stick with a crisp sammich thanks.  preferably tayto the inventor of the cheese and onion flavoured crisp :-)
[15:46] <daftykins> :(
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> actually might make some of those for tea...
[15:50] <foobarry> somebody in the cubicle next to me did a poo and didn't flush :@
[15:50] <foobarry> i wonder who these animals are, and what they do at home
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> the smart ones just go in the corner, the not so smart ones...
[15:51] <daftykins> eww
[16:05] <ali1234> popey: does indicator-application work on unity 8?
[16:09] <awilkins> Why are people such grebs in office toilets?
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> because they don't have to clean it
[16:10] <awilkins> If I leave a streak I deploy the brush
[16:10] <awilkins> We had the guy who would pick his nose and stick the bogies to the wall at eyeline height above the urinals
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> i try to leave it as i found it, with extra computer mags for reading if anything :-)
[16:10] <awilkins> He didn't come in for a while, because it stopped
[16:11] <awilkins> Then bogy service resumed
[16:15] <foobarry> he went to work for us for a while
[16:15] <foobarry> bogey boy
[16:15] <foobarry> i also put up a lord kitchener poster "YOU! wash your hands!"
[16:15] <foobarry> because there was one jerk who never did
[16:17] <zmoylan-pi> though by now you'd think they'd have invented a decent door handle for the inside of bathrooms so that the last thing you touch with your clean hands on leaving is the door handle also used by non hand washing barbarians
[16:18] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/ijFIU1q.png
[16:18] <daftykins> sure - the top and bottom half :D
[16:23] <intrbiz> interestingly hospitals used to use copper door knobs, copper is antimicrobial
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> the silver and gold ones probably didn't last long :-)
[16:24] <foobarry> TIL
[16:25] <foobarry> bacteria lives for shorter time on copper?
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> but once polyester carpets were installed the copper door knobs would be horrible to use :-)
[16:25] <foobarry> why?
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_properties_of_copper
[16:26] <intrbiz> its due to the oligodynamic effect
[16:26] <intrbiz> silver is also good
[16:26] <intrbiz> aluminium and stainless less so
[16:28] <foobarry> anyone godo with xml and javascript?
[16:29] <intrbiz> foobarry: what are you attempting to do?
[16:29] <foobarry> i want to open blah.xml, read in 2 variables, and write one variable now, and one later on in the file. i can do it in one hit, but do variables get thrown away away you close the /script tag?
[16:31] <foobarry> http://pastie.org/private/shyjunc664id83jwmc3pq
[16:31] <foobarry> works for one section
[16:32] <foobarry> but i want NODES output and CORES at different places.
[16:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:32] <foobarry> probabyl completely simple to someone who has spent >1hr on javascript
[16:35] <ali1234> whaaat
[16:35] <awilkins> Dunno if variables get thrown away when you close the script tag
[16:35] <awilkins> Javascript is full of dirty globalness
[16:35] <ali1234> variables don't get thrown away when you close the script tag but i am 99% sure you are doing it wrong
[16:36] <foobarry> open to suggestions. i hacked down a script that had a loop in it
[16:36] <foobarry> i am also 99% sure too
[16:37] <ali1234> well first of all use jquery
[16:38] <awilkins> Hmm
[16:38] <awilkins> For this one thing?
[16:38] <ali1234> yes
[16:38] <awilkins> Use jquery when you get to the THIRD thing that jquery makes easier
[16:38] <foobarry> all i wanna do is simply echo some stuff from xml file on screen at various places
[16:39] <awilkins> Ah, well.
[16:39] <awilkins> Write the stuff with CSS classes
[16:39] <awilkins> Use CSS to put them various places
[16:39] <ali1234> yes, second of all, use bootstrap
[16:40] <foobarry> hwo?
[16:40] <foobarry> how?
[16:40] <awilkins> Foolish notions like writing a document that looks like what you want to appear on the screen are OUTDATED and OBSOLETE
[16:40] <ali1234> thirdly, don't use document.write, ever, ever, ever
[16:40] <ali1234> write the static html with whatever layout you want, and then insert the data into the DOM at the end
[16:41] <ali1234> do this using jquery
[16:41] <ali1234> theme it up with bootstrap
[16:41] <foobarry> do u have a simple example please?
[16:42] <ali1234> i have a really complicated one...
[16:45] <intrbiz> foobarry: do you have a sample of the XML ?
[16:45] <foobarry> yes
[16:46] <intrbiz> you can paste bin it
[16:46] <foobarry> http://pastie.org/private/xxchvinrxint76dcxxkr8a
[16:47] <intrbiz> nodes.xml is on a server right?
[16:47] <foobarry> yep
[16:47] <ali1234> that isn't a valid XML file you know
[16:48] <foobarry> probably...which?
[16:48] <ali1234> the first one
[16:48] <foobarry> that can be changed. the secodn one can't as its the output from rest api
[16:49] <intrbiz> foobarry: usually browsers don't let you do xmlhttprequests to files
[16:49] <intrbiz> foobarry: you might find using jquery makes your life easier
[16:50] <foobarry> certainly, if i find some good docs i'll do it
[16:50] <intrbiz> foobarry: something like $(xmlresponse).find('free > nodes').text() should do the trick
[16:52] <intrbiz> and for the second $(xmlresponse).find('issues').attr('total_count')
[16:52] <foobarry> thanks, i'll check that out
[16:52] <ali1234> http://jsbin.com/xipoduyomo/2/edit?html,css,js,output
[16:52] <ali1234> smething like this
[16:58] <foobarry> thanks
[16:58] <foobarry> will take a look
[17:00] <intrbiz> this works for me: http://pastebin.com/Z2xR33FL
[17:00] <foobarry> i am complete noob with this stuff, obviously i'm finding there's no shortcut
[17:00] <ali1234> yeah that's pretty much what i've got
[17:03] <intrbiz> or both of them together: http://pastebin.com/KxrtXfB0
[17:03] <intrbiz> foobarry: obviously you can load the XML doc via AJAX or however you need to
[17:04] <foobarry> thanks, just trying that now
[17:06] <foobarry> really appreciate the help guys
[17:06] <foobarry> that will work nicely with the page i am making :D
[17:17] <ali1234> foobarry: is the nodes.xml on the same server? cos if not the next problem you will have is getting cross-domain requests to work
[17:19] <ali1234> if it is on the same server this should now work: http://jsbin.com/xipoduyomo/2/edit?html,js,output
[18:16] <daftykins> damn, just missed the black friday deal on a Crucial MX100 256GB SSD for £60
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> i thought black friday was the coming friday?
[18:17] <daftykins> yeah, been deals since before the weekend though
[18:17] <daftykins> this is amazon UK
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> ah, 256gb.  make a chromebook almost useful if it can access those files easily
[18:19] <daftykins> don't think you can put standard SATA drives in chromebooks
[18:19] <daftykins> but yeah, this comes to my earlier statement that you shouldn't try to polish a turd of a device, just buy something right the first time ;)
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> whoops read that as 256gb sd, not ssd
[22:34] <diddledan> quiet in here tonight
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> tis
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> time to grab a shower and then to bed
[22:36] <popey> shhh
[22:42] <diddledan> yeah. sleep sounds like a plan
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> yup 4 hours of sleep then lie awake till morning... :-/


[07:58] <darknite> salam
[07:59] <darknite> hello
[08:10] <darknite> salam
[08:11] <darknite> hallo
[08:11] <sweemeng_office> it is working
[08:11] <darknite> not yet


[06:37] <mup> Bug #1630123 opened: OpenStack base 45 not being deployed with Juju GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630123>
[08:49] <PCdude> Hi all
[08:49] <PCdude> I have some questions about openstack on ubuntu
[08:49] <PCdude> I have put it in an askubuntu question
[08:49] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/832736/openstack-with-autopilot-some-networking-clear-up
[08:49] <PCdude> Some about them are MAAS related
[11:26] <Sujeet_> Hi Kiko, Hi Roaksoax
[11:50] <mup> Bug #1630123 changed: OpenStack base 45 not being deployed with Juju GUI <juju-core:New> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630123>
[12:49] <baldpope> good morning kiko roaksoax
[12:50] <baldpope> fyi - ran through the conjure at about 4pm yesterday, 13hrs or so and it's just sitting idle, no progress
[12:50] <baldpope> i'll dig into it more this morning
[12:53] <stokachu> baldpope: what do you mean sitting idle?
[12:53] <stokachu> at what point?
[12:53] <baldpope> finished inputting in maas server ip, and the api key
[12:54] <stokachu> baldpope: are you seeing machines being deployed in maas?
[12:54] <baldpope> then the next screen shows which modules will be selected, i presumed the default would be sufficient, so left untouched
[12:55] <baldpope> of the 5 nodes, 1 is deployed (previously in the ready state) the other 4 are sitting in the idle state
[12:55] <baldpope> the deployed host is online, and ssh is on, but I cannot ssh into it - the ssh key I added is not accepted when I attempt to connect as ubuntu
[12:55] <baldpope> ssh key I added to the webui
[12:56] <stokachu> it's probably using the ssh key generated by juju
[12:56] <stokachu> you can do juju switch controller;juju ssh 0
[12:56] <baldpope> from the maas host?
[12:57] <stokachu> yea
[12:57] <stokachu> well wherver you ran conjure-up
[12:57] <baldpope> right
[12:57] <baldpope> sysadmin@ubuntu-ap-brk:~/.local/share/juju/ssh$ juju switch controller
[12:57] <baldpope> finch:admin@local/conjure-up -> finch:admin@local/controller
[12:57] <baldpope> sysadmin@ubuntu-ap-brk:~/.local/share/juju/ssh$ juju ssh 0
[12:57] <baldpope> ERROR no API addresses
[12:57] <stokachu> your bootstrap failed then
[12:57] <stokachu> what does juju models show
[12:58] <baldpope> cannot list models - no api addresses
[12:58] <stokachu> yea your bootstrap failed
[12:58] <stokachu> are you able to deploy a node via maas ui?
[13:00] <baldpope> i believe so,
[13:00] <baldpope> 1sec
[13:07] <baldpope> yea, was able to deploy a new bloade with ubuntu 16.04 lts
[13:08] <baldpope> and i can login with the ssh key assigned in webui
[13:08] <stokachu> can you access the internet from that node?
[13:08] <stokachu> also what version of juju are you running
[13:09] <baldpope> 2.0-rc2-xenial-amd64
[13:10] <baldpope> apt install worked (presumably through maas controller) but running lynx www.google.com fails
[13:10] <stokachu> and can you access the internet from that node? or run a `sudo apt update`
[13:10] <stokachu> yea
[13:10] <stokachu> your network isn't configured properly
[13:10] <baldpope> apt update worked
[13:10] <stokachu> thats from the maas proxy
[13:11] <stokachu> do you have IP forwarding enabled on the maas server?
[13:11] <baldpope> am I mistaken, but I thought maas also acted as squid proxy ?
[13:11] <baldpope> stokachu, shit .. i'll bet not
[13:11] <stokachu> yea assuming you setup the network config on the maas server properly :)
[13:11] <stokachu> you also want to NAT that traffic
[13:11] <stokachu> so you'll need to add that rule in iptables
[13:12] <baldpope> i have a forward rule, but I don't have any nat rules
[13:12] <baldpope> sigh .. did I miss a step somewhere, thought I followed closely
[13:12] <stokachu> /docs/en/users/#customize-headless-mode
[13:12] <stokachu> err
[13:12] <stokachu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23275006/
[13:12] <stokachu> baldpope: thats what i use for my private network
[13:13] <stokachu> just change that to whatever network you're using
[13:13] <baldpope> that's in /etc/iptables/rules.save or something?
[13:13] <stokachu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23275007/
[13:13] <stokachu> see the pre-up line
[13:13] <stokachu> you can add it there
[13:13] <stokachu> or save it
[13:15] <stokachu> do all of your nodes have 2 nics?
[13:15] <baldpope> yea
[13:15] <stokachu> all eth0/eth1?
[13:15] <baldpope> well, 6
[13:15] <baldpope> enp9s0f0 and enp9s0f1
[13:16] <stokachu> ok so when you get to the application list make sure to configure your neutron br-ext to be enp9s0f1
[13:16] <stokachu> it defaults to eth1
[13:16] <baldpope> the other 4 not currently plugged in
[13:17] <stokachu> i would plug those in because you can't select the machine you want to use for neutron
[13:18] <baldpope> the nics, you mean?
[13:18] <stokachu> yea
[13:18] <stokachu> well the machine that is housing neutron
[13:19] <stokachu> you can't specifically select that machine, juju will grab one at random
[13:37] <baldpope> stokachu, (or anyone else) if I've got the masq rule in place, do I also need to be running squid, or will it just forward the traffic?
[13:39] <baldpope> wait..
[13:40] <baldpope> ok, i may not have setup networking correctly, the 'internal' network I created is routable through firewall - is not required to go through maas controller
[13:40] <baldpope> and in this case, the individual nodes do not have access through firewall out -
[13:40] <baldpope> so the question I have now is - should the nodes be required to go through the maas controller, or is it ok for them to have direct access out?
[13:41] <stokachu> the easiest solution is to route everything through your maas server
[13:41] <baldpope> hm
[13:41] <baldpope> that's interesting
[13:41] <baldpope> i would think I would want to use maas for dpeloyment, but not necessarily to act as the end-all routing uplink..
[13:42] <stokachu> it doesn't have to be
[13:42] <stokachu> thats just the easiest solution
[13:42] <baldpope> if that's the case, more care should be taken on the maas controller to use a bridge interface with sub interfaces for redundancy
[13:43] <baldpope> so eth0 and eth1 in bridge with br0.1 as the wan and br0.2 as lan?
[13:43] <baldpope> along with any other sub interfaces as required
[13:43] <stokachu> yea that will work too
[13:44] <baldpope> hm
[13:44] <baldpope> ok, not going to mess with that just yet
[13:44] <baldpope> I can update the firewall to allow my private segment out
[13:44] <baldpope> but I'm not sure how that resolves the juju deploy?
[13:46] <stokachu> because juju needs to resolve things like streams.canonical.com:443
[13:46] <baldpope> ah
[13:47] <baldpope> i thought that was being done from the maas controller
[13:47] <baldpope> my mistake
[13:55] <baldpope> in my 5 node environment, after the juju controller has already been deployed, am I limited to using the remaining 4 for compute, so the 1 head is lost?
[13:59] <stokachu> yea unfortunately
[13:59] <baldpope> hm
[13:59] <stokachu> juju 2 requires a node for the controller
[13:59] <baldpope> well, that by itself isn't terrible
[14:00] <baldpope> if you plan ahead, you can pick a host that would suffice for juju, but might not be the ideal compute/storage node
[14:00] <baldpope> that's what I thought I was deploying on the maas box (an older dell poweredge)
[14:00] <stokachu> so you can select which machine to perform the bootstrap on
[14:00] <baldpope> well - not exactly
[14:00] <stokachu> JUJU_BOOTSTRAP_TO=host.maas conjure-up -d openstack
[14:00] <stokachu> ?
[14:01] <baldpope> ah
[14:01] <baldpope> sorry - thought you were asking me a question
[14:01] <stokachu> this only works for maas and i haven't documented it yet
[14:01] <baldpope> stokachu, that would work perfectly, if I had a spare host to deploy to
[14:01] <stokachu> most people usually create a VM to house the controller
[14:01] <baldpope> not complaining - just trying to understand the environmen
[14:01] <stokachu> and just register that in the maas
[14:02] <baldpope> yea, that makes sense
[14:05] <baldpope> stokachu, not sure if it's progressing or not
[14:05] <baldpope> http://imgur.com/LalU5zS
[14:06] <stokachu> did it get passed fetching juju agent yet?
[14:06] <baldpope> no, been sitting here for the last couple of minutes
[14:06] <stokachu> yea it still can't get out to streams.canonical.com
[14:06] <baldpope> and both the node and maas controller have unfiltered access out
[14:06] <baldpope> hm
[14:08] <baldpope> looking at firewall, no blocked traffic
[14:10] <stokachu> deploy another node via maas and just see if you can wget from streams.canonical.com
[14:11] <stokachu> like wget http://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools/agent/2.0-rc2/juju-2.0-rc2-xenial-amd64.tgz
[14:14] <baldpope> testing - need a minute to deploy again
[14:15] <baldpope> thanks for taking a few minutes stokachu
[14:15] <stokachu> np
[14:15] <baldpope> i've got pages of notes on my side where I've made mistakes, thinkgs I've forgotten after cleaning/reinstalling/deploying
[14:16] <baldpope> will be happy to share any relevant bits once I get it cleaned up and repeatable
[14:16] <stokachu> yea im sure roaksoax and the docs team would want to look at that
[14:46] <shubjero> How does one configure a large amount of servers in maas with a specific disk layout?
[14:47] <shubjero> I'd like to have 36 machines configured with the same partition layout
[14:47] <shubjero> I'd rather not have to go through 36 times and do it all
[14:54] <baldpope> stokachu, ok, a bit lost now... i've deployed a new node - i can perform nslookup on www.google.com, with the reply coming from maas controller, but attempting wget fails, though traffic is not blocked
[14:55] <baldpope> i can ssh directly into the node using the key provided through webui
[14:55] <baldpope> default route is out through firewall
[15:30] <baldpope> stokachu, i appear to have a routing issue - have to work on this and report back - but will have to be later...
[15:31] <stokachu> baldpope: ok
[16:40] <mup> Bug # changed: 1392763, 1394792, 1459888, 1481285, 1508975, 1589640, 1593388, 1623110, 1623634, 1623878, 1625711, 1625714, 1627019, 1627038, 1627039, 1627363, 1628052, 1628213, 1628298, 1629004, 1629008, 1629011, 1629019, 1629022, 1629045, 1629142, 1629402, 1629491, 1629868, 1629896
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1630343 opened: [2.1] upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 broken <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630343>
[20:07] <mup> Bug #1629026 changed: [2.1] Images have been imported, but can't add a chassis <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629026>
[20:07] <mup> Bug #1630361 opened: [2.1 ipv6] MAAS should refuse to deploy a host with bad address-family config <maas-ipv6> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630361>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1616232 changed: [2.1, 2.0] Installs should use GPT by default if volume is larger than 2TB <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.0:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616232>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1630343 changed: [2.1] upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 broken <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630343>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1616232 opened: [2.1, 2.0] Installs should use GPT by default if volume is larger than 2TB <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.0:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616232>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1630343 opened: [2.1] upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 broken <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630343>
[21:34] <mup> Bug #1616232 changed: [2.1, 2.0] Installs should use GPT by default if volume is larger than 2TB <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <MAAS 2.0:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616232>
[21:34] <mup> Bug #1630343 changed: [2.1] upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1 broken <MAAS:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630343>
[22:19] <mup> Bug #1630394 opened: [2.1] Bootloaders not downloaded on initial import <MAAS:Confirmed for ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630394>
[23:11] <mup> Bug #1630398 opened: [2.0] EFI system fails to PXE boot: PXE-E23, Maas server returns TFTP error for bootx64.efi <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630398>
[23:13] <wililupy> MAAS 2.0 is not seeing all my interfaces on my server. How can I manually add them?
[23:13] <wililupy> clarification, my rack controller can't see all of its interfaces.
[23:56] <mup> Bug #1630398 changed: [2.0] EFI system fails to PXE boot: PXE-E23, Maas server returns TFTP error for bootx64.efi <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630398>


[14:40] <n-iCe> I moved to Arch.
[17:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Did something change with dd recently?
[17:02] <Thedarkb-X40> The default block size seems to be just right.
[17:15] <leszek> :)


[06:02] <dholbach> good morning
[06:05] <julian_fern> dholbach, Morning :)
[06:14] <dholbach> hi julian_fern
[06:26] <Tm_T> moin