[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #119445 in xorg (main) "[Testing of apport hook] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119445
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #119447 in xorg (main) "[Testing of apport hook] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119447
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #119446 in xorg (main) "[Testing of apport hook] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119446
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #119449 in xorg (main) "[Testing of apport hook] " [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119449
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #119451 in xorg (main) "[Testing of apport hook] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119451
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119458 in xorg (main) "Display not configured with proper resolutions on install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119458
[08:53] <ubotu> New bug: #18874 in xorg (main) "synaptic touchpad: can't turn it off." [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/18874
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #111315 in Ubuntu "windows appear black when several applications are working (dup-of: 96473)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111315
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #27667 in xresprobe (main) "Problems with xresprobe & Samsung 243T LCD" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/27667
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #28606 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "restricted modules aren't upgraded when kernel is" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/28606
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #50048 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "Unable to adjust refresh rate.." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50048
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #51541 in xorg (main) "Xorg.config Flag needed for cursor, had problems with mouse cursor disappearing as a pointer" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51541
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #52034 in xterm (main) "multiple xterms not restoring from X session save" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52034
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #119589 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Can't view videos using xv on intel 855GM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119589
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #52769 in xorg-server (main) "Live CD starts at 640x480 and a low refresh" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52769
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #32311 in Ubuntu "Unexpected screen resolution (dup-of: 5801)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32311


[06:57] <mz2> is there some graphical tool in ubuntu for switching services on and off on certain run levels
[06:58] <izmaelis> after installing ubuntu on my lappy I checked for glxgears and the FPS was about 3000, now I switched to 686 kernel and glxgears shows me just 350 FPS. Why is that?
[06:59] <setite> hey xmms froze
[06:59] <setite> how do i close it
[06:59] <izmaelis> killall -9 xmms
[07:00] <setite> nothing happened
[07:00] <setite> do i have to use sudo
[07:00] <abelli> ive just installed hoary from array2, and even if i set the italian keyboard layout
[07:00] <bretzel> Ok someone can tell me how I can setup external smtp server for system wide ??? such sendmail can use it to send emails on the extern smtp server ...
[07:00] <abelli> it still works with the us one
[07:00] <izmaelis> setite, try sudo
[07:01] <setite> already did
[07:01] <setite> no go
[07:01] <setite> its just sitting there... not blinking... not moving
[07:01] <setite> any other way
[07:02] <setite> is there a beginners guide to ubuntu or debian
[07:03] <zenrox> setite, http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:08] <tolle> Is the builtin wlan chipset in ibooks supported in the linux kernel?
[07:08] <sjoerd> tolle: no (at least not for newer ones)
[07:10] <tolle> That blows, I'm looking for a laptop to buy but basicly all of them has some downsides. Or are extremly expencive
[07:10] <setite> ok someone help me close xmms
[07:10] <setite> it wont close!
[07:11] <tsw> tolle: whats wrong with osX
[07:11] <tsw> setite: killall xmms
[07:11] <zenrox> tolle go look for a laptop that comes with some linux distro pre installed
[07:11] <ArCHoNKoG> setite, uset system montior
[07:11] <setite> yea thats what i need... where is that
[07:11] <setite> found it
[07:11] <zenrox> lol
[07:11] <tolle> tsw: I've used it some, and it just doesnt feel right.
[07:12] <tsw> tolle: :)
[07:12] <setite> this is what i wanted... not some command
[07:12] <tsw> setite: commands are powerfull :)
[07:12] <setite> yes but why if i can do it another way
[07:12] <zenrox> tsw is right commands are more powerfull thay are genuly unpinning for the gui commands
[07:13] <tsw> setite: I find it quicker to use
[07:13] <setite> if, and only if, you know the commands by heary
[07:13] <setite> heart*
[07:13] <tsw> man pages are your friend
[07:13] <setite> ok i cant find xmms on it
[07:13] <setite> not at this moment
[07:13] <zenrox> setite,  it you usign the commands more often you'll rember them
[07:13] <setite> i need music and xmms froze
[07:13] <setite> at this moment i need fast
[07:14] <tsw> setite: open new terminal and type "sudo killall xmms"
[07:14] <setite> and it refuses to close
[07:14] <ArCHoNKoG> can someone play wma files in any media players in hoary ?
[07:14] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  xmms
[07:14] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  get a xmms pluging for wma files
[07:15] <setite> still not working
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> ????? ?? ??? ?????
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> oh lol
[07:15] <Ensiferum> anyone bumped into a situation where the installer leaves x-server uninstalled?
[07:16] <ArCHoNKoG> zenrox, is it in spm ?
[07:16] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  use snyaptic
[07:16] <zenrox> its on the repos
[07:16] <voda> hi all, can someone maybe point me on a document concerning USB-Harddrives and ubuntu? can't get it to work...
[07:16] <ArCHoNKoG> what the apps name for it
[07:16] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  just use xmms
[07:16] <zenrox> it will list any thang with xmms
[07:16] <zenrox> including its plugins
[07:17] <gnuyen> Hi, I upgraded to ubuntu from debian sid
[07:17] <gnuyen> and now dpkg gives an error
[07:17] <PotajiTo> wenas
[07:17] <gnuyen> dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[07:17] <pybe> is there any way to install ubuntu from floppy?
[07:17] <ArCHoNKoG> zenrox, what is the name of the plugin for it
[07:17] <zenrox> gnuyen,  go get the ubuntu iso and start over
[07:18] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  it have wma listed
[07:18] <zenrox> in the tital
[07:18] <gnuyen> I think i'm just gonna remove that package
[07:18] <gnuyen> that it crashed on
[07:18] <tolle> pybe: install debian from a floppy and then upgrade to ubuntu...
[07:18] <gnuyen> its flight simulator or something
[07:18] <tolle> pybe: should work. No idea if there is a better way to do it.
[07:18] <pybe> tolle: k tks
[07:19] <gnuyen> damn it's still doing it
[07:19] <voda> hi all, can someone maybe point me on a document concerning USB-Harddrives and ubuntu? can't get it to work...
[07:19] <gnuyen> any ideas on dependtry <= 4?
[07:19] <ArCHoNKoG> zenrox, don't see it
[07:20] <tolle> voda: what doesnt work?
[07:20] <ArCHoNKoG> in apt-cache search
[07:20] <setite> shoot
[07:20] <setite> i killed x and now xmms wont open
[07:20] <voda> tolle: it can't be mounted...
[07:20] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  hmm dont serch in the apt-cache
[07:20] <setite> i think somethign seriously went wront with it
[07:20] <ArCHoNKoG> zenrox, so what you telling me to do
[07:20] <tolle> voda: and it has a partition on it i guess, what filesystem?
[07:20] <voda> tolle: ntfs...
[07:21] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  do you have the universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:21] <tolle> voda: oh, you will only be able to read from it.
[07:21] <tolle> voda: modprobe ntfs
[07:21] <tolle> voda: then try to mount it.
[07:21] <ArCHoNKoG> yes
[07:22] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  now use the serch in snyaptic
[07:22] <zenrox> and search for just xmms
[07:23] <parallax_> Does anyone have the          "Intel Pro/Wireless Mini LAN Card 802.11b"           WORKING?
[07:24] <izmaelis> in terminal I can run alsamixer and I can edit volumes, but I can't edit volumes in gnome Applications -> Multimedia -> Volume Control
[07:25] <izmaelis> I receiv "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[07:25] <setite> why wont xmms run
[07:25] <setite> has this ever happened to any of you?
[07:25] <zenrox> yyes
[07:25] <setite> it has
[07:25] <zenrox> setite,  its casue its still running and the onyl way to fix it is to reboot
[07:25] <setite> reboot whole pc
[07:25] <setite> or just x
[07:25] <zenrox> whole pc
[07:25] <setite> i used CTRL+ALT+BKSP
[07:26] <setite> ok
[07:26] <gnuyen> if apt shows that one package is not successfully installed
[07:26] <gnuyen> how can one find out what package that is
[07:26] <gnuyen> so i can remove it
[07:26] <zenrox> gnuyen,  start snyaptic and look in broken packages
[07:29] <izmaelis> in terminal I can run alsamixer and I can edit volumes, but I can't edit volumes in gnome Applications -> Multimedia -> Volume Control
[07:29] <izmaelis> I receive "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[07:29] <abelli> ogra: ping
[07:29] <abelli> ding
[07:29] <ogra> dong ?
[07:30] <izmaelis> but I hear gnome system notifications and xmms is playeing
[07:30] <abelli> ogra: right
[07:30] <abelli> ive installed hoary from an array2 cd
[07:30] <ogra> wow
[07:31] <abelli> but in the sources.list there's an entry, commented, with only http://
[07:31] <abelli> ... hoary-security universe
[07:32] <abelli> what is that?
[07:32] <ogra> abelli: for unstable distros there are no security updates.....
[07:32] <voda> yay! usb-harddrive is loaded, only that's left is permissions; how can I browse the USB-HD as normal user without sudo?
[07:32] <abelli> yeah but its strange because there are 2 entries:
[07:32] <abelli> i mean 4.. sorry
[07:33] <abelli> 2 types..
[07:33] <abelli> 1st type: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restrocted
[07:33] <abelli> 2nd type: # http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[07:33] <zenrox> abelli,  thats cuse you have installed hoary
[07:33] <zenrox> not werty
[07:34] <zenrox> warty
[07:34] <abelli> zenrox: yeah i know that :)
[07:34] <ogra> abelli: looks like someone hopes there could be security updates for universe, heh...
[07:34] <abelli> i mean what about the 2nd type?
[07:34] <abelli> ogra: yeah..
[07:35] <abelli> ogra: ???
[07:35] <ogra> abelli: the MOTU group shall do it if it is finally in place....
[07:36] <abelli> motu? an african footbal team?
[07:36] <voda> yay! usb-harddrive is loaded, only that's left is permissions; how can I browse the USB-HD as normal user without sudo?
[07:36] <pybe> i have found a boot floppy that will boot an iso from the hard disk, i have used it to install fedora on my laptop that has no cdrom. it looks for a
[07:36] <pybe> kernel in /isolinux/vmlinuz and a corresponding initial ramdisk in
[07:36] <pybe> /isolinux/initrd.img
[07:36] <pybe> whats the equivalent for ubuntu
[07:37] <ogra> abelli: masters of the universe
[07:37] <abelli> ahhh..
[07:37] <abelli> :)
[07:38] <abelli> so.. i can add deb and deb-src and un-comment?
[07:38] <jul-le> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <jul-le> sorry, my bad
[07:38] <ogra> abelli: nope
[07:39] <ogra> abelli: its no security repo in place yet
[07:39] <abelli> ogra: got it
[07:39] <abelli> thank s
[07:39] <izmaelis> in terminal I can run alsamixer and I can edit volumes, but I can't edit volumes in gnome Applications -> Multimedia -> Volume Control. I receive "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found". I receive "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found".
[07:40] <voda> should I just add the user to some group or something?
[07:40] <voda> and if yes...which one?
[07:42] <jul-le> izmaelis: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sorrynomixer
[07:44] <abelli> seb128:ding
[07:44] <seb128> ?
[07:44] <abelli> the italian keyboard layout under hoary array2
[07:45] <abelli> doesnt work
[07:46] <abelli> ive set it using the gnome panel, switching from the uk's one,
[07:46] <abelli> but it still not italian :)
[07:51] <prox2far> how much space does your ubuntu take up???
[07:52] <prox2far> everybody: how much space does your ubuntu take up???
[07:52] <zenrox> prox2far,  1.2 gigs + what ever you install lator
[07:53] <seb128> abelli: it used to work ?
[07:53] <zenrox> prox2far,  that is with gui (gnome) xserver
[07:54] <prox2far> zenrox: funny mine takes 1.8 with all updates
[07:54] <prox2far> zenrox: 1.8 GB
[07:54] <abelli> seb128: well in warty it does, also in a hoary upgraded from warty
[07:54] <zenrox> prox2far,  i am looking at mine atm
[07:54] <abelli> but not on this array2 hoary
[07:54] <erik> is ubuntu supposed to have a boot splash screen?  Mine does not.
[07:54] <zenrox> prox2far,  3 gigs with all the dev stuff(i almost have it all)
[07:54] <prox2far> erik: you may ad one
[07:54] <JDahl> prox2far, mine is closer to 3.5G, which surprises me... I just have basic Ubuntu + software dev tools
[07:54] <erik> prox2far: so no?
[07:55] <prox2far> erik: not by default
[07:55] <erik> ok, cool
[07:55] <Ribs> You'll only ever see your box boot up once every release anyway :)
[07:56] <prox2far> zenrox: OK thought there was something wrong when my space usage was 2.2 GB incl. some music
[07:56] <erik> Ribs: not on my laptop :p
[07:56] <zenrox> prox2far,  my /home dir is a seprate partion
[07:57] <zenrox> prox2far,  thats ubuntu alone
[07:57] <prox2far> zenrox: OK i run every part of ubuntu from one partition i allready have 4 partitions didn't want one more
[07:59] <occy> anyone here know about hardware raid?
[07:59] <zenrox> prox2far,  i only have 3 swap 256mbs, /home 15gigs ext3 , /  20 gigs risor
[07:59] <occy> I have a DAC960 120G drive that I'm trying to mount.
[08:00] <occy> I see it in dmesg.
[08:00] <nictuku> what should I put startup scripts instead of rc.local?
[08:00] <zenrox> occy the std mount command should work
[08:00] <occy> yeah... not allowing me to for some reason.
[08:01] <zenrox> occy whats it called in /dev
[08:01] <occy> I can paste in #flood
[08:01] <zenrox> occy ok
[08:01] <occy> zenrox: :)
[08:01] <nictuku> i mean, *where
[08:02] <zenrox> occy try mount -t fs /dev/rd/c0d0 /mnt/dir
[08:02] <occy> root@dismantle:~ # mount -t fs /dev/rd/c0d1 /mnt
[08:02] <occy> mount: fs type fs not supported by kernel
[08:03] <zenrox> fs= the type of fs it is
[08:03] <occy> oh
[08:03] <occy> *blush*
[08:03] <izmaelis> in terminal I can run alsamixer and I can edit volumes, but I can't edit volumes in gnome Applications -> Multimedia -> Volume Control. I receive "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found". I receive "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found".
[08:03] <zenrox> fs= file system
[08:03] <occy> zenrox: didn't recall hearing of type fs
[08:03] <occy> hehe
[08:03] <zenrox> lol
[08:03] <occy> I think it's ext2  but can't remember
[08:03] <zenrox> you mean ext3
[08:03] <zenrox> ext2 is old
[08:03] <occy> this is an old box ;)
[08:03] <occy> err
[08:04] <occy> s/box/hard drive array/
[08:04] <Ribs> ext3 isn't exactly new
[08:04] <occy> back when 120G was like...   This old raid array has some old backup stuff on it I need to look at / get off.
[08:05] <prox2far> zenrox: stupid admin won't give me the info i need
[08:06] <zenrox> prox2far,  like what
[08:06] <zenrox> prox2far,  all you need to know is whare its located, type of printer
[08:07] <prox2far> zenrox, doesn't work despite i know those things i have to be authorised by a account manager
[08:07] <xed> Where would I go about finding information on power saving options in ubuntu?
[08:07] <zenrox> prox2far,  go over his head
[08:08] <prox2far> zenrox, and the account manager doesn't seem to respond to users using Linux
[08:08] <zenrox> prox2far,  hahahaha we dont support linux ahhahahahha
[08:08] <occy> zenrox: tx again bud. :)
[08:08] <zenrox> prox2far,  tell them to go back to school
[08:08] <zenrox> lol
[08:08] <zenrox> occy n/p
[08:09] <occy> nomasteryoda is going to let me swap cd drives or even HD so I can install on his laptop of the same make/model
[08:09] <prox2far> zenrox, one of my buddys using gentoo is working on it right now without any luck, the auth. program just doesn't allow us to send an ID
[08:10] <zenrox> prox2far,  hehehe
[08:10] <zenrox> prox2far,  might have to write a program to do that
[08:10] <prox2far> zenrox, it's rather sad otherwise i would have been 100% linux user
[08:10] <zenrox> true
[08:11] <mcdonaldswes> I'd like to install ssh-krb5 (from universe), however it conflicts with ssh-client, which would deinstall ubuntu-base... is this a big deal, or should it still be ok?
[08:11] <zenrox> mcdonaldswes,  hoary or warty
[08:11] <mcdonaldswes> zenrox warty
[08:11] <kezz> sounds a bit dodgy
[08:11] <zenrox> mcdonaldswes,  dont do it
[08:11] <mcdonaldswes> zenrox: but it would be okay to do it in hoary?
[08:12] <odo> hmm, for some perculiar reason, on my laptop, external USB mouse works but PS/2 not...any thoughts?
[08:12] <prox2far> odo, try connecting the PS/2 mouse before booting
[08:12] <zenrox> mcdonaldswes,  ubuntu-desktop gets removed all the time but nothen is broke
[08:12] <zenrox> with warty somethign gets broke
[08:13] <JDahl> odo, did you configure X in an unusual way?
[08:13] <odo> prox2far: I did connect it before boot, no difference
[08:13] <odo> JDahl: well, define unusual
[08:13] <prox2far> odo, OK
[08:13] <mcdonaldswes> zenrox: hmm, ok... besides installing hoary, do you have any suggestions? like maybe somehow installing ssh-krb5 into a different directory?
[08:13] <mgedmin> is there a way to list all installed packages that come from 'universe' (as opposed to, e.g., 'main')?
[08:13] <JDahl> odo, other than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, I guess
[08:14] <JDahl> odo, couldnt it be an X configuration issue?
[08:14] <kezz> mcdonaldswes, you need to investigate what the conflict is
[08:14] <zenrox> mcdonaldswes,  no sugstions just try it and find out but rember how to fix it if something is broke
[08:14] <mcdonaldswes> kezz: ssh-krb5 is ssh patched with kerberos support, thus it conflicts with ssh-client and ssh-server because it provides its own binaries
[08:15] <odo> JDahl: I _never_ use dpkg-reconfigure...I edit X's conf with nano, usually much faster
[08:15] <mcdonaldswes> problem is that ssh has been split into ssh-client/server, whereas ssh-krb5 hasn't
[08:15] <odo> but...this seems to be an issue to figure out what device that external PS/2 is
[08:15] <xed> How would I go about getting help with power saving features ubuntu on my laptop?
[08:15] <mcdonaldswes> ssh-krb5 should also be split up, with ssh-krb5-client providing ssh-client... which would solve my problem
[08:18] <xed> Can anyone help me with that?
[08:19] <prox2far> xed: try searching ACPI in the ubuntu web site
[08:19] <erik> I wish ubuntu knew to pass pci=noacpi for my laptop :(
[08:19] <xed> prox2far, what is that?
[08:19] <erik> i have to manually edit menu.lst every time linux-686 gets upgraded
[08:19] <prox2far> xed: ACPI??? or the ubuntu site???
[08:20] <xed> ...ACPI <--
[08:20] <xed> .-.
[08:20] <prox2far> xed: power managing
[08:21] <xed> Thats what it stands for?
[08:21] <xed> !google define:ACPI
[08:21] <cf> Results for define:ACPI on Google:
[08:21] <cf> --
[08:21] <xed> oh.. boo =(
[08:21] <prox2far> xed: no it's something weird as always
[08:21] <xed> prox2far, hmm..it supports suspend and resume
[08:22] <xed> but I'm also looking for... something that'll.. make less use of the resources in the laptop when it goes onto battery power.
[08:23] <prox2far> xed: ACPI = Advanced Configuration and Power Interface, can't help you with resource controlling (i don't care for that since iv'e always got a power cord nearby )
[08:23] <prox2far> xed: + worked out of the box for mee
[08:24] <xed> prox2far, so do I. But.. it being a laptop, I'd like to be able to use... the laptop without having to constantly plug in the ac power cord
[08:25] <prox2far> xed, i'm using ubuntu with a laptop and i can see my batt. time varies depending on how i'm using the system
[08:27] <prox2far> xed: but i don't know how to control the ACPI features i ubuntu because they work great by default ( by my opinion )
[08:27] <xed> ehh..
[08:27] <xed> Does your screen dim automatically if you unplug your ac power?
[08:27] <xed> Because mine doesn't =(
[08:28] <prox2far> xed: no i'm not too lasy to push 2 buttons
[08:28] <xed> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/acpi.tar.gz/ <-- thats it right?
[08:28] <xed> prox2far, thats not all..
[08:28] <xed> a 2.8GHz processor running at 100% all the time takes up battery fast.. so I want it to run at a lower speed...
[08:29] <JDahl> xed, did you try to just right click on the panel and add the battery monitoring applet?
[08:29] <xed> Battery Charge Monitor?
[08:29] <xed> Yeah, thats already there...
[08:29] <JDahl> that's not what you're after?
[08:30] <prox2far> xed: ACPI should be installed by default ( in warty ) and if your CPU is an Mobile cpu it should adjust automaticly
[08:30] <xed> JDahl, no, I just want something that'll make less use of the overall resources (ie lowers the processor speed usage when on battery power)
[08:32] <fuldl> why does it work to "#include <vector.h>" but "#include <vector>" doesnt work
[08:33] <xed> http://himi.org/wmacpi/ <-- I just got that link from a friend ..he got it from google.. ..I'm curious, would that work on ubuntu?
[08:35] <JDahl> xed, I just tried unplugging my AC power like prox2far suggested, and it automatically saves power... it probably works for you also. But, yes, there is an Ubuntu package for wmacpi
[08:35] <prox2far> xed, but wmacpi is only a monitor :( doesn't change anything
[08:36] <xed> booo
[08:36] <xed> How do I check if it's saving power?
[08:36] <xed> I mean, I can't really tell.
[08:36] <xed> It shows me the percentage its charged up to.. but it doesn't show me time remaining.
[08:37] <benjami> is udev the default in ubuntu?
[08:37] <Cred__> Hello
[08:37] <benjami> hi
[08:37] <xed> hi
[08:37] <Gwildor|Work> hi
[08:37] <Cred__> I'm trying to watch DVD but Totem complains it cannot play the file..
[08:38] <xed> Get VLC
[08:38] <xed> I think it'll work.
[08:38] <Gwildor|Work> did you follow the wikki...or ubuntu guide?
[08:38] <mak_> I have a question. is there some other source that I need to add to get updated versions of firefox, gaim, thunderbird?
[08:38] <wezzer> mak_: yes, there is
[08:38] <Gwildor|Work> umm....maybe hoary?
[08:38] <mak_> wezzer, help me out
[08:38] <wezzer> full instructions are in the forum
[08:38] <mak_> hmm.. ok
[08:39] <Gwildor|Work> or the wikki
[08:39] <wezzer> mak_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3627
[08:39] <wezzer> there
[08:39] <xed> How about Evolution... can I set it up so it works with my hotmail account?
[08:39] <xed> Anyone?
[08:39] <Gwildor|Work> any idea how to get usb ethernet adapter working during a install........for net install
[08:40] <Gwildor|Work> xed, i dont think you can use hotmail externally
[08:40] <mak_> wezzer, thanks
[08:40] <xed> Oh man =(
[08:40] <xed> How about gmail?
[08:40] <Peo> xed: gmail works with evolution
[08:40] <prox2far> xed, micro$oft charges money if you want to use hotmail externally
[08:40] <Gwildor|Work> umm...idk never tried it......its needs a pop3 server
[08:40] <xed> prox2far, well I'm not surprised...=|
[08:40] <Gwildor|Work> lol
[08:41] <wezzer> mak_: you are welcome :(
[08:41] <wezzer> *:)
[08:41] <xed> Peo, how would I go about setting up Evolution so it worked with gmail...?
[08:41] <wezzer> argh, I always put the _wrong_ face :D
[08:42] <xed> Peo, still there?
[08:42] <Gwildor|Work> umm, there should be info like that on gmail's site......its not too difficult, especially on first-run...it gives a wizard
[08:42] <Cred__> Gwildor|Work, I've installed lidvds if that's what you meant.
[08:42] <wezzer> xed: it's really simple
[08:42] <Peo> xed: yep
[08:42] <Cred__> What I have tried is to open some of the files on the DVD
[08:42] <Peo> it's explained in the Gmail settings
[08:42] <wezzer> pop.gmail.com is the pop-server
[08:42] <Gwildor|Work> Cred__, yeah, i think so, i havent dont that stuff in so long......
[08:43] <kezz> xed: you activate pop3 in settings on gmail then connect to pop.gmail.com using ur @gmail username and pass with ssl on port 995
[08:43] <Gwildor|Work> smtp.gmail.com  would be the other one then.....
[08:43] <Gwildor|Work> or whatever it is
[08:43] <Cred__> And installing mplayer is impossible..
[08:44] <wezzer> Cred__: check that you have compiler
[08:44] <JDahl> Cred__, how so?
[08:44] <Peo> guys, there's any channel dedicated to ubuntu PPC?
[08:44] <wezzer> it doesn't exist in default ubuntu installation
[08:44] <Gwildor|Work> i dont think so peo
[08:44] <Cred__> mplayer-k7:
[08:44] <Cred__>  Depends: mplayer-k6 but it is not going to be installed
[08:44] <xed> When it says here "Security Use Secure Connection (SSL)", do I select 'Never', 'Always', or 'Whenever possible' ?
[08:44] <Cred__> And so on..
[08:44] <kezz> peo: we could set one up
[08:44] <Cred__> It simply doesn't allow me to install any of the mplayers on my list
[08:45] <wezzer> xed: whenever possible is a safe choice
[08:45] <Gwildor|Work> Cred__, follow the mplayer instruction on ubuntuguide.org
[08:45] <xed> recieving mail host is what?
[08:45] <Gwildor|Work> smtp.gmail.com
[08:45] <Gwildor|Work> or whatever the pre-fix is
[08:45] <xed> thats for Recieving mail!?
[08:45] <Cred__> Gwildor|Work, only mplayer help from there I find is related to Firefox plugin
[08:46] <JDahl> Cred__, try using aptitude and install mplayer-nogui
[08:46] <fuldl> do i need any special packages to be able to include <string> in ubuntu? g++ wont work
[08:46] <Gwildor|Work> Cred__, wait
[08:46] <prox2far> xed,'pop.gmail.com
[08:46] <Cred__> aptitude?
[08:47] <Gwildor|Work> Cred__, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty/view?searchterm=mplayer
[08:47] <xed> minus the ', right?
[08:47] <JDahl> fuldl, use apt-cache search string\.h to figure something like that out
[08:47] <wezzer> xed: yea
[08:47] <wezzer> pop.gmail.com
[08:47] <wezzer> is the right one
[08:47] <xed> sending mail host is?
[08:47] <xed> smtp.gmail.com ?
[08:48] <wezzer> umm, I'm not sure about that
[08:48] <Gwildor|Work> its on the gmail site......
[08:48] <xed> =(
[08:48] <wezzer> I myself have my ISP's smtp-address
[08:48] <Cred__> Gwildor|Work, will that work? As far as I can tell, that's the same thing I'm trying now.  I'm pretty new to linux and am still learning.
[08:56] <pe7er> you shouldn't say things like that on the irc, to some it might sound like an invitation =)
[08:56] <kezz> why don't you send yourself one
[08:56] <vpalle> im trying to install mplayer, but im getting a lot conflicts..
[08:56] <Gwildor|Work> no virus.....im on windows box.......it would eat me up too
[08:56] <xed> pe7er, I know.  But....meh. =|
[08:57] <xed> Gwildor|Work, sent it?
[08:57] <Gwildor|Work> jsut did
[08:57] <Gwildor|Work> wait a few secs
[08:57] <xed> This is uncool =(
[08:58] <Ensiferum> ok. one last shot. anyone know why after the installation i dont have a functional graphical environment? Is there some flag i need to set, or something i need to in while installing expert mode?
[08:58] <calamari> it's a hint that you need to get in touch with your console side
[08:58] <Gwildor|Work> xed, did you get it?
[08:59] <Ensiferum> i have been in touch with that way too much even.
[08:59] <kezz> Ensiferum, do you get a console login?
[08:59] <Ensiferum> kezz: yes
[08:59] <kezz> Ensiferum, then have you tried configuring X?
[08:59] <xed> Error while Fetching Mail.  Could not connect to POP server pop.gmail.com (port pop3): Connection timed out.
[08:59] <kezz> does startx work?
[08:59] <xed> damnit
[08:59] <xed> how do I go about changing the port?
[08:59] <Ensiferum> kezz: startx, not found
[08:59] <Gwildor|Work> xed, it may be pop3.gmail.com
[08:59] <Gwildor|Work> let me check my settings
[08:59] <kezz> xed are you using enctyption?
[09:00] <Gwildor|Work> nope...just pop
[09:00] <kezz> Ensiferum, sudo updatedb && locate startx
[09:00] <xed> err.. enctyption or encryption?
[09:00] <Ensiferum> kezz: done that
[09:00] <kezz> xed, gmail requires you to use ssl authentication
[09:00] <kezz> so x isnt installed?
[09:00] <xed> It hasn't even asked me for my password once, anywhere..
[09:01] <Ensiferum> kezz: according to package manager it is.
[09:01] <xed> Wait wait-- there it goes
[09:01] <xed> Its doing something now.
[09:01] <kezz> xed, cos your connecting to port 110 where as the server is listening on 995
[09:01] <xed> Clock is laughing in my face.
[09:01] <kezz> Ensiferum, XF86Config?
[09:02] <robit> is there any unstable or testing sorcelist for the ubuntu?
[09:02] <xed> is there any way to play counter strike: source on linux?
[09:03] <xed> on ubuntu specifically =|
[09:03] <prox2far> xed, no not source but old cs works fine with Wine
[09:03] <xed> =(
[09:03] <parallax_> xed: Do you know how to play CS 1.6?
[09:03] <robit> is there any unstable or testing sourcelist for the ubuntu?
[09:03] <Ensiferum> kezz: config file?
[09:03] <xed> parallax_, I don't like playing 1.6 =(
[09:04] <xed> Source > 1.6
[09:04] <parallax_> I know, but o dont have source
[09:04] <xed> Seems evolution is stuck on the 27th email.. =/
[09:04] <xed> I don't have 1.6 =/
[09:05] <xed> I want .. Source!
[09:05] <xed> I might have to add a windows partition.. =|
[09:05] <kezz> Ensiferum, it should be an executable that generates the config for you
[09:05] <prox2far> xed, yes do that it's way easier than going through wine
[09:05] <sensebend> I have a question
[09:05] <xed> most likely =\
[09:06] <xed> I'll do it sometime this week or next.
[09:06] <Ensiferum> kezz: ah, ok. and i need to sudo before it, i presume?
[09:06] <xed> Going without CS:S is hurting me ...
[09:06] <sensebend> a friend of mine is trying to connect to the internet via pppoe on eth0 with the livecd
[09:06] <sensebend> what do I tell him to do?
[09:06] <ogra> sensebend: to run pppoeconf
[09:06] <kezz> Ensiferum, yes probably as it creates stuff in /etc/ i believe
[09:07] <Ensiferum> kezz: ok. running it now. i get a blank gray screen with a cursor. thats all
[09:07] <kezz> heh never good
[09:08] <kezz> tried reinstall X?
[09:08] <calamari> Ensiferum: how big is the partition you are installing to, btw?
[09:08] <sensebend> thanks ogra
[09:08] <Ensiferum> calamari: 6.5gig
[09:08] <calamari> using the whole drive?
[09:08] <sensebend> having never had a pppoe connection I couldn't tell him
[09:09] <Ensiferum> calamari: nope, just 1.2gig
[09:09] <sensebend> we may have another convert in a minute once he gets online :)
[09:09] <Ensiferum> i had to some mighty tricks to get the installer to run in the first place
[09:09] <ogra> heh :)
[09:09] <bkuebler> laptop_suspend=NO_FUN
[09:09] <sensebend> a BIG thanks to ogra. ogra really helps out arround here
[09:10] <ogra> :)
[09:11] <bkuebler> I was trying to configure suspend on a thinkpad R32...
[09:11] <bkuebler> but then ACPI punched me in the stomache and took my lunch money.
[09:12] <mgedmin> # su someuser -c 'some command' prints "su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.\n(Ignored)" and then executes the command as user someuser -- what does that error message mean?
[09:12] <prox2far> bkuebler, heh at least you were able to reboot, it seems
[09:13] <Ensiferum> kezz: how would i go about reinstalling gnome/x?
[09:13] <xed> who's Mark..?
[09:13] <JDahl> bkuebler, I've also never had anything but trouble with hibernation on my laptop... some thing's are just not meant to be
[09:13] <bkuebler_> *sigh*
[09:13] <xed> Gwildor|Work, you're mark, right?
[09:13] <bkuebler_> I have gotten closer.
[09:14] <bkuebler_> and actually, it suspends great!
[09:14] <bkuebler_> it just doesn't come out so well.
[09:14] <bkuebler_> :-/
[09:14] <xed> How do I tell of ACPI is installed and working?
[09:14] <kezz> well are you sure there isn't a startx binary Ensiferum
[09:14] <bkuebler_> type acpi
[09:14] <ogra> bkuebler_: i didnt try them, but these may be worth a look: http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/
[09:14] <Gwildor|Work> xed, yeah
[09:14] <Ensiferum> kezz: locate turns up nothing
[09:14] <xed> How do I tell of ACPI is installed and working?
[09:15] <kezz> hmm
[09:15] <mantas> who is responsible for python packages in ubuntu?
[09:15] <bkuebler_> ogra.. thanks
[09:15] <bkuebler_> I will take a look.
[09:15] <prox2far> xed, your laptop fan doesn't run constantly
[09:15] <calamari> Ensiferum: it would be /usr/X11R6/bin/startx
[09:15] <Gwildor|Work> xed, how do you know?
[09:15] <xed> prox2far, most of the time it does =(
[09:15] <Ensiferum> kezz: i installed ubuntu my old box. in that case i was able to just do the basic (un-expert) installation. it worked fine.
[09:16] <prox2far> xed, if you do nothing fora while it will stop ( if ACPI works )
[09:16] <Ensiferum> calamari: its not there, mkay?
[09:16] <xed> Is VLC available for Ubuntu?
[09:16] <kezz> Ensiferum, so why did you do the "expert" one this time?
[09:17] <xed> w00000t it is available.
[09:18] <kezz> is there a /var/log/XFree86.0.log Ensiferum
[09:18] <Ensiferum> kezz: cause the goddamn installer fucks up with SATA drives. first it would not find mounted cd-rom. and then it would lock up upon loading ata_piix and sd_mod, so i had to open a console and modprobe piix and then exlude ata_piix from the module listings in the installer
[09:18] <Ensiferum> took me two days to figure this crap out
[09:18] <Ensiferum> and now that it installed
[09:19] <JDahl> Ensiferum, what machine do you have?
[09:19] <Ensiferum> its still borked
[09:19] <mgedmin> I had the same problem as Ensiferum on a Dell PowerEdge 750
[09:19] <Ensiferum> JDahl: p4, abit ic-7 (875P, Intel), 2 * SATA drives, 2 * IDE cd-rom drives
[09:19] <kezz> Ensiferum, have you tried a hoary snapshot?
[09:19] <mgedmin> except that I solved it by installing from a netboot CD and living without a working CD-ROM drive
[09:19] <JDahl> Dell? your story sounds all too familiar
[09:20] <mgedmin> I sent an email about it to the mailing list
[09:20] <Ensiferum> i think the problem has something to do with a particular sata chipset
[09:20] <Ensiferum> probably somehow related to scsi/sata conflicts or something
[09:21] <JDahl> Ensiferum, booting with acpi=off saved me
[09:21] <davmor2> hello peeps
[09:21] <Ensiferum> JDahl: yeah, tried that too
[09:21] <Ensiferum> JDahl: still locked up
[09:21] <Ensiferum> kezz: no
[09:21] <Ensiferum> i'm about to toss this distro out the window
[09:21] <mgedmin> Ensiferum, is ubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:22] <kezz> Ensiferum, it is more recent so its hardware support should contain the new stuff
[09:22] <mantas> why hoary uses python 2.4 as default interpreter, but lots of python packages depend on python2.3?
[09:22] <xed> God damnit
[09:22] <xed> I
[09:22] <xed> 'm going to stupid question now..
[09:22] <Ensiferum> kezz: are we talking about a snapshot off the cvs source tree or something?
[09:22] <xed> How do I view all the emails in Evolution
[09:22] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: how can i check that?
[09:22] <xed> I clicked on an email...
[09:22] <mgedmin> Ensiferum, apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[09:22] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: ta
[09:22] <mgedmin> shows a * next to the installed version, no * -- not installed
[09:22] <xed> and now it keeps showing me emails, rather than all the emails I have. =(
[09:23] <kezz> Ensiferum, hoary is the next release of ubuntu due in april
[09:23] <kezz> it contains a lot of new stuff
[09:23] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: installed: (none)
[09:23] <mgedmin> that's even simpler
[09:23] <davmor2> I have finally persuaded my mate that linux is better on the web than window he has downloaded live versions of suse and ubuntu but has the same problem in both he can't access his wireless network
[09:23] <Gwildor|Work> xed, how do you know who iam?
[09:24] <Ensiferum> davmor2: good luck with linux and wifis
[09:24] <kezz> davmor2, what chipset is the wireless card?
[09:24] <kezz> ndiswrapper is usually ok
[09:24] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: so, should i try to apt-get install that?
[09:24] <mgedmin> Ensiferum, apt-get install mdetect xresprobe laptop-detect
[09:24] <mgedmin> then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:24] <kezz> bbl
[09:24] <mgedmin> then run /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:25] <davmor2> the card registers but his encryption key locks him out is there a way to input the encryption key
[09:26] <xed> Gwildor|Work, you're.. kidding, right?
[09:27] <JDahl> are there any devs responsible for python around? I think there is problem with Debians doctools. I mentioned it earlier, but I thought now that 2.4 is out someone should fix it (or at least I should find out what I am doing wrong)
[09:27] <JDahl> and thus also a problem with Ubuntu's Python doctools...
[09:27] <xed> How do I go back to viewing all the emails I have in Evolution?
[09:27] <AcidPils> who wants to code in pyhton if he can have perl?
[09:28] <JDahl> AcidPils, smart people
[09:28] <zeedo> xed: go back from where ?
[09:28] <JDahl> I cant believe I took the bait, oh well...
[09:28] <calamari> I like python, I just wish I could use curly braces
[09:28] <xed> well from one email, zeedo
[09:28] <Ensiferum> yngh
[09:28] <xed> I clicked on an email, and now I can only preview one email at a time.
[09:28] <xed> I want to see them all in a list..
[09:28] <Ensiferum> apt-get is asking for the cdrom
[09:28] <xed> how do I go back to that?
[09:28] <Ensiferum> which doesnt work (again)
[09:28] <AcidPils> JDahl: ok, maybe ;) but for me perl does everything i want
[09:29] <xed> Ensiferum, you might've done a minimal installation and don't have the package?
[09:29] <xed> zeedo, still there?
[09:29] <JDahl> AcidPils, you dont want much, do you?
[09:29] <Ensiferum> xed: didnt select a minimal install, in fact i was never presented an option for selecting what kind of install i want
[09:29] <mgedmin> Ensiferum, if you have a fast network connection, you can remove the cd-rom entry from /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update and rerun apt-get install
[09:29] <xed> Ensiferum, same thing. =/
[09:30] <xed> How do I go back to viewing all the emails I have in Evolution?
[09:30] <xed> I clicked on an email, and now I can only preview one email at a time.
[09:30] <AcidPils> i wnat much i code in C :) and the small things i do in perl
[09:30] <AcidPils> if i want... :|
[09:31] <Ensiferum> i never remeber to put "sudo" in the beginning :]
[09:31] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: ok, running apt-get update now
[09:32] <Ensiferum> i must say, this has been _the_ most painful linux installation ever
[09:32] <xed> abcdefghijklnopqrstuvwxyz
[09:32] <Ensiferum> slackware 9 required some trickery as well in order to install on a SATA drive...
[09:32] <xed> ._. I didn't have that much trouble... once I got help atleast =P
[09:32] <mgedmin> Ensiferum, now imagine that you are 1000 km from the actual server and are trying to explain to FreeBSD people on site how to perform the installation
[09:32] <mgedmin> SATA is not cool
[09:33] <xed> How do I go back to viewing all the emails I have in Evolution?
[09:33] <xed> I clicked on an email, and now I can only preview one email at a time.
[09:33] <mgedmin> or rather bleeding edge not fully supported hardware is not cool
[09:33] <Ensiferum> linux seems to be few years behind ;)
[09:33] <Ensiferum> hardware support wise that is
[09:34] <xed> =/
[09:34] <xed> I have a relatively new laptop and it seems to support most of my hardware. =/
[09:34] <Ensiferum> on an unrelated note, my server borked too. (funny how on some days nothing works...)
[09:35] <Br|ce> hi folks
[09:35] <Br|ce> I just noticed something I don't understand
[09:35] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: ok, it's now isntalling the ubuntu-desktop package
[09:35] <Br|ce> while I've got a /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm symlink to /etc/init.d/hdparm
[09:35] <xed> is VNC viewing tool available for ubuntu?
[09:35] <mgedmin> xed, yes
[09:36] <Br|ce> and that running /etc/init.d/hdparm start works just well
[09:36] <Br|ce> the script doesn't seem to be launched at boot time
[09:36] <mgedmin> xed, try apt-cache search vnc
[09:36] <Br|ce> any idea ?
[09:36] <xed> I did mgedmin
[09:36] <xed> I found the server.. but no.. viewing tool =..or have I not looked hard enough..
[09:36] <bkuebler_> vncviewer is in by default
[09:36] <xed> where?
[09:37] <Br|ce> xed: xvncviewer ?
[09:37] <xed> yeah, I think I see xvncviewer
[09:37] <bkuebler_> just type it in a terminal
[09:37] <xed> Should I get xvncviewer?
[09:37] <Br|ce> xed: I think so
[09:38] <xed> aww
[09:38] <xed> unable to connect
[09:39] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: w00t
[09:52] <MaRcIo-> hi
[09:52] <MaRcIo-> is ubuntu only 1 iso?
[09:52] <Gwildor|Work> yes
[09:52] <MaRcIo-> tnx
[09:52] <Gwildor|Work> np
[09:52] <MaRcIo-> ??
[09:53] <MaRcIo-> yes or no?
[09:53] <lordan> i think np == no problem
[09:53] <MaRcIo-> ah nothin
[09:53] <MaRcIo-> yea
[09:53] <MaRcIo-> does it install a gui?
[09:53] <Gwildor|Work> yes
[09:53] <Gwildor|Work> gnome 2.8
[09:54] <Gwildor|Work> kde flux xfce and all the goodies are available
[09:54] <MaRcIo-> is it easy to configure?
[09:54] <Br|ce> quite
[09:54] <MaRcIo-> cool
[09:55] <Gwildor|Work> easiest i have seen
[09:57] <maps73> Hy
[09:57] <Gwildor|Work> hy
[09:58] <maps73> Hy Gwildor, I'm maps from italy. and you??
[09:59] <Gwildor|Work> im from USA
[09:59] <Ensiferum> mgedmin: thanks a lot for all the help
[09:59] <Gwildor|Work> names gwildor........lol
[09:59] <mgedmin> np
[09:59] <Gwildor|Work> bond...james bond
[10:00] <mgedmin> I had nearly the same situation today (^Ced base-config while it was downloading ubuntu-desktop and was left with a shell prompt and no GUI)
[10:00] <maps73> ubuntu-it
[10:00] <JDahl> mgedmin, aptitude doesnt require X ;)
[10:01] <xed> sweeeet
[10:01] <xed> vnc is working =)
[10:02] <neighborlee> heh peeps ...how do I change my nicks password ?
[10:03] <zeedo> /nickserv set password mynepwasword
[10:04] <xed> ...err...
[10:05] <TUXIE> Hello
[10:05] <xed> Hi.
[10:06] <maps73> how could i save my nick name?
[10:06] <maps73> not save but register??
[10:06] <lordan> maps73, you may want to read through the faqs at http://freenode.net..
[10:07] <xed> Register?
[10:07] <neighborlee> zeedo, yup I found it..thx though I appreciate it
[10:07] <TUXIE> xed	hi .. trying out linux but not Ubuntu yet ..convince me! ;->
[10:07] <xed> Tuxie: It gives meaning to my life.. has it to YOUR's?
[10:07] <neighborlee> zeedo, didn't realize till I looked further than set had 'options' of its own <G>
[10:07] <lordan> TUXIE, why not convince yourself?
[10:07] <xed> Feel the freedom that IS Ubuntu, TUXIE.
[10:08] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[10:08] <TUXIE> Tried it off a covermount .. it is a single CD distro ..yes?
[10:08] <xed> Yes
[10:08] <lordan> in a way, yes
[10:08] <xed> There's a live version (which is one cd) and an installation cd, which is one cd
[10:09] <exlt> TUXIE:  for what it is worth, I have been using linux for about 9 years, I am a systems engineer for a co. with 10,000+ servers, have tried most distros, and like the simplicity of install, and the fact that my non-techie wife likes it  :)
[10:09] <xed> What exlt said.
[10:10] <Poprocks> because I would use Sid but they're too stubborn about X
[10:10] <TUXIE> Mmmm then why does it keep askung for the 2nd cd during the install.. could never get round that one! ..doing SuZe 9.1 on a DVD installed faultlessly .. but then again that's the German's for u ;->
[10:10] <exlt> Poprocks: that is why I moved my laptop to ubuntu, too
[10:10] <Poprocks> exlt, heh
[10:11] <Poprocks> I know Debian wants to move to some modular server based on what freedesktop's doing... but I mean, really, XFree86 4.3 is really out of date by now
[10:11] <TUXIE> Vorsprug Durch Teknik! .. man okay .. who is Ubuntu..?
[10:12] <Poprocks> sensebend, hello fellow Rogers customer
[10:12] <xed> Hello Poprocks.
[10:12] <apes> in gentoo, many more apps are in portage - why not the same with ubuntu/debian package trees?
[10:12] <TUXIE> Gimmie a practical reason for going over to Ubuntu! ..peepil.. get me away from SuZe!
[10:12] <sensebend> hey Poprocks!
[10:13] <sensebend> TUXIE, apt-get
[10:13] <xed> apt-get definitely apt-get
[10:13] <lordan> TUXIE, why do you ask that?
[10:13] <sensebend> the default human theme and ubuntu-calendar
[10:13] <sensebend> lol
[10:13] <lordan> I mean if you want to get away from Suse do so
[10:13] <lordan> If you don't stay with it
[10:14] <lordan> lol@sensebend
[10:14] <smok> My reason for switching is that Ubuntu just works - it has all the apps I use as it's defaults
[10:14] <sensebend> we have a good community built arround Ubuntu
[10:14] <xed> I'm not entirely sure what the greatness of the calendar is.. the default human theme is alright too
[10:14] <TUXIE> sensebend.. debian? what's wrong with rpm? :->
[10:14] <smok> And it defaults to A4 paper :-)
[10:14] <sensebend> apt is better at handling dependencies
[10:14] <Poprocks> smok, heh, that's _not_ a good thing ;-)
[10:15] <sensebend> agreed Poprocks
[10:15] <lordan> My main reason for running Ubuntu is that FreeBSD kernel panics on my laptop.. :(
[10:15] <Poprocks> I like that it lets you switch between the autohinter and the bytecoder interpreter in libfreetype6 so easily :)
[10:15] <sensebend> my main reason is I got tired of stale packages on Debian Sarge
[10:15] <smok> it is from where I am! and where TUXIE is listed as connecting from
[10:15] <kipod> hello how can i check to which package a file belongs
[10:15] <TUXIE> lordan ... Coz SuzE is so big I thawt a "Wee" teeny tiny distro would suit me better! ;->
[10:15] <xed> What's a good FTP client for ubuntu?
[10:16] <JDahl> kipod, dpkg -S <filename>
[10:16] <kipod> thanks
[10:16] <xed> What's a good FTP client for ubuntu?
[10:16] <lordan> OK, I suggest you give Ubuntu a shot
[10:16] <^kayser^> hello, how can i mount a usb pendrive?
[10:16] <sensebend> depends on what you want xed
[10:16] <sensebend> that's kinda a loaded question
[10:16] <apes> Gentoo -> emerge k3b nvu azureus audacity eclipse-sdk gkrellm2 SciTE pearpc mplayer xine amule vmware ... none of these are in ubuntu package trees by default!?!?!
[10:16] <^kayser^> after update it doesn't detected
[10:16] <xed> what do you mean what I want?
[10:16] <TUXIE> Peeple ..tis good natured.. don't flame me ..idon't got no asbestos skin.. :->
[10:17] <xed> I just want to be able to access an ftp, get files... preferably have  aresume feature?
[10:17] <sensebend> apes, they are in universe and multiverse
[10:17] <sensebend> enable the repositories
[10:17] <apes> sensebend, why arent they enabled in ubuntu by default?
[10:17] <sensebend> for the most part they are anyways
[10:17] <Poprocks> xed, gftp is pretty much accepted as one of the best gui ftp clients
[10:17] <kipod> i resive this error "libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"  .... did someont else resived it befor
[10:17] <apes> and how to do tha, thanks man
[10:17] <sensebend> I don't think vmware is in the repos though
[10:17] <JDahl> xed, gftp isnt half bad
[10:17] <TUXIE> smok I come from SuZE ! :->
[10:18] <Poprocks> I really dislike SUSE
[10:18] <JDahl> xed, but I dont use ftp often, so something better might have emerged since I used it
[10:18] <TUXIE> coz it's to bog?
[10:18] <xed> is gftp available ...for ubuntu?
[10:18] <TUXIE> sorry big?
[10:18] <sensebend> apes, in synaptic
[10:18] <xed> can i use apt-get to get it?
[10:18] <Poprocks> xed, most likely
[10:18] <Gwildor|Work> xed, you got ubuntu installed?
[10:18] <lordan> TUXIE, the best way to know if Ubuntu does it for you is really to try it..
[10:19] <sensebend> aokaze, go to settings, repositories
[10:19] <xed> Gwildor|Work, yes, yes I do.
[10:19] <sensebend> and check all of them
[10:19] <JDahl> xed, you're not going to make me type "apt-cache search gftp" and paste the result for you
[10:19] <sensebend> then reload
[10:19] <xed> JDahl, haha, no doing it now
[10:19] <sensebend> and get whatever you want
[10:19] <TUXIE> I'm trying to tell u that but the install is all F##ked up!
[10:19] <Poprocks> xed, netcraft^H^H^H^H^H^H^H apt-cache confirms it
[10:19] <lordan> TUXIE, what is effed up?
[10:19] <xed> What is  netcraft^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ?
[10:20] <apes> sensebend, why arent these on by default? is there any harm??
[10:20] <Poprocks> xed, try ctrl+h in a terminal and see what it does
[10:20] <sensebend> apes, they are not supported
[10:20] <xed> ctrl+h?
[10:20] <Poprocks> xed, correct
[10:20] <sensebend> and some contain software that isn't included for patent reasons
[10:20] <xed> You're not messing with my head are you Poprocks?
[10:20] <Poprocks> xed, not really ;-)
[10:20] <sensebend> like restricted formats like mp3
[10:20] <Gwildor|Work> Poprocks, really, what does that do, i m on XP at work
[10:21] <xed> Trying to screw up my terminal or computer or something?
[10:21] <Poprocks> Gwildor|Work, backspace
[10:21] <JDahl> xed, unix humour... you will learn to appriciate it eventually
[10:21] <apes> sensebend, does gentoo *support* vmware, cuz its in portage?
[10:21] <Gwildor|Work> Poprocks, thnx
[10:21] <aokaze> sensebend:  what was that for?
[10:21] <apes> doesnt make sense to me..
[10:21] <TUXIE> 1 cd right.. Bios boots from cd bah blah burned from ISO ... 95% thru the install it asks for the 2nd CD .. only one go figure... ?
[10:21] <sensebend> aokaze, apes was asking why universe and multiverse were not enabled by default
[10:21] <xed> ctrl+h does nothing =/
[10:22] <sensebend> strange, I didn't know vmware was in portage
[10:22] <sensebend> dunno how they did that with the license
[10:22] <JDahl> it's just backspace... deletes the previous character
[10:22] <apes> oh yeah, vmware and cedega
[10:22] <Poprocks> xed, type some text first ;-)
[10:22] <Gwildor|Work> lol
[10:22] <sensebend> cedega is open, afaik, if you compile it yourself
[10:22] <setite> hey guys
[10:22] <xed> It.. erases?
[10:22] <xed> Backspace equivalent?
[10:22] <sensebend> I thought VMWare was closed proprietary software
[10:23] <apes> sensebend, well you need to drop the binary into /usr/portage/distfiles
[10:23] <Poprocks> sensebend, cvs doesn't contain a lot of the stuff that the commercial builds do afaik
[10:23] <xed> Poprocks, its the equivalent of backspace?
[10:23] <apes> but portage still takes care of config and other things
[10:23] <sensebend> ah, I see
[10:23] <Gwildor|Work> anyone have one of these?                  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20319&item=5742244626&rd=1
[10:23] <TUXIE> Back to Suze DVD... 3'5 Gigabyte install without a hitch! compare that to Ubuntu's 700 mb ..maybe 1.5 gig install! :->
[10:23] <Poprocks> xed, there are two ways to perform a backspace on linux -- ctrl+h is the unix way, not used by linux by default but it still works (iirc anyway)
[10:24] <aokaze> sensebend aokaze, go to settings, repositories .... that is what I am talking about.... I didnt ask anything but I got an answer that I dont know what to do with lol
[10:24] <MaddMarshall2k> suse is huge
[10:24] <sensebend> whoa lots of updates to hoary today
[10:24] <MaddMarshall2k> and i dont really see much use to the size
[10:24] <xed> I don't see why you'd use ctrl+h if you have backspace
[10:24] <MaddMarshall2k> i mean it has slightly better driver support
[10:24] <sensebend> err aokaze, sorry I meant apes
[10:24] <MaddMarshall2k> hardware support i mean
[10:24] <TUXIE> Okay what do u get with Ubuntu ..2.6 kernal ..KDE 3.2?
[10:24] <xed> Unless ofcourse.. it works in .. putty.. in windows
[10:24] <JDahl> xed... it predates backspace.. it'
[10:24] <xed> it'?
[10:24] <sensebend> gotta love autocomplete in irc clients :S
[10:24] <TUXIE> No Gnome 2.8?
[10:24] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, gnome 2.8 .........kernal 2.6 something
[10:25] <sensebend> they should do what I meant not what I said
[10:25] <sensebend> hehe
[10:25] <TUXIE> It defaults to Gnome 2.8? ..yes
[10:25] <JDahl> it's from a time when ^A,^E,^H made more sense than "delete", "home", "end"
[10:25] <kezz> TUXIE, you get apt-get, better than suse
[10:25] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, yes
[10:25] <xed> apt-get is so damn useful
[10:25] <Gwildor|Work> yup yup
[10:26] <MaddMarshall2k> apt-get is god
[10:26] <MaddMarshall2k> well synaptic is god
[10:26] <xed> apt-cache search is damn useful too
[10:26] <TUXIE> Cool... this apt-get .. this is better than rpm ..how ..please?
[10:26] <MaddMarshall2k> apt-get is the holy ghost
[10:26] <Gwildor|Work> ive never used anything but apt....and dont think i ever will
[10:26] <xed> I have a question
[10:26] <sensebend> TUXIE, it resolves and installs dependencies
[10:26] <sensebend> automagically
[10:26] <TUXIE> So does rpm!
[10:26] <Gwildor|Work> BUT BETTER
[10:26] <JDahl> xed, you're going to like aptitude when you get around to it..
[10:26] <sensebend> it does it better though
[10:26] <xed> aptitute?
[10:26] <xed> man time!
[10:27] <Gwildor|Work> aptitude is like synaptic....kinda...is it not?
[10:27] <Agrajag> apt-get and RPM are like apples and oranges
[10:27] <sensebend> yes
[10:27] <apes> sensebend, i only see universe, where i multiverse?
[10:27] <zenwhen> Agrajag,
[10:27] <Agrajag> RPM is more like dpkg
[10:27] <zenwhen> what about apt-rpm???
[10:27] <JDahl> xed, yes, like synaptic, but doesnt require X
[10:27] <Agrajag> zenwhen: see that's a more fair comparison
[10:27] <xed> synaptic .. package manager?
[10:27] <Gwildor|Work> apes.....see where it says "universe"         make it say "universe multiverse"
[10:27] <Agrajag> or apt and yum
[10:27] <apes> and still after doing an apt-get update i dont have mplayer and xine in the repositories
[10:27] <Agrajag> in which case apt still wins
[10:27] <TUXIE> This is not a tech channel for "debating" various "distros" .. sorry people.. forgive me.. ;->
[10:28] <kezz> rpm's dependency handling isn't as good
[10:28] <Gwildor|Work> xed, synaptic is gui frontend for apt....so is aptitude
[10:28] <Agrajag> kezz: not as good as what?
[10:28] <kezz> as .deb's
[10:28] <Gwildor|Work> apt
[10:28] <Agrajag> kezz: how so?
[10:28] <Gwildor|Work> ding ding
[10:28] <Agrajag> hat does dpkg do differently?
[10:28] <kezz> because an rpm system always corrupts itself
[10:28] <Agrajag> no it doesn't.
[10:28] <JDahl> xed, next time you need to install something try to do it with aptitude.. it's much better than apt-get alone... it's superb for fixing broken depencies and install recommended packages that goes the package you want to install.
[10:28] <zenwhen> kezz thats FUD
[10:29] <Agrajag> I ran two different ROM distros years ago and neither ever corrupted itself
[10:29] <Agrajag> er
[10:29] <sensebend> you should have a warty multiverse repo apes
[10:29] <Agrajag> s/ROM/RPM/
[10:29] <kezz> alrite not always but more often than not in my experience
[10:29] <zenwhen> anecdotal
[10:29] <kezz> you ask an rpm system to do a complex install and it will be dependency hell
[10:29] <apes> Gwildor|Work, thanks dude
[10:29] <zenwhen> kezz, try YUM sometimes
[10:29] <apes> after adding multiverse mplayer is there ;-)
[10:29] <zenwhen> sometime*
[10:29] <Agrajag> yeah
[10:30] <Gwildor|Work> apes, NP
[10:30] <zenwhen> Dependency hell is FUD.
[10:30] <Agrajag> you can't compare rpm to apt fairly
[10:30] <bkuebler_> or atp4rpm.
[10:30] <apes> see, i still think gentoo has that benefit right form the start that ALL linux software is accessible
[10:30] <kezz> zenwhen, i have tried yum but when i tried it the repositories weren't up to much
[10:30] <zenwhen> It no longer exists to any extent that it is a problem.
[10:30] <TUXIE> Apt-get a debian "thing" ...Sorry I don't want to piss u people of f with these continued "inverted" quotes ;->
[10:30] <zenwhen> :<
[10:30] <Poprocks> zenwhen, exactly.. I hate when people still complain about it.. it was a problem in 2000 maybe not not now
[10:30] <xed> sweet
[10:30] <xed> aptitude is pretty cool
[10:31] <Poprocks> xed, yeah :)
[10:31] <MobyTurbo> apes, a more fair comparison with gentoo would be Debian unstable, where you also have the full repo available.
[10:31] <xed> it gives a description
[10:31] <xed> i typed in aptitude
[10:31] <sensebend> you can add the debian unstable repo, but it's an incredibly bad idea
[10:31] <xed> and woot
[10:31] <apes> MobyTurbo, does ubuntu run stable only?
[10:31] <TUXIE> Could 314 people be right on their choice off a distro?
[10:31] <apes> thought ubuntu was testing
[10:32] <MobyTurbo> apes, no, there's both warty and hoary.
[10:32] <JDahl> xed, it's useful to know something that doesnt require X for the times when yours system is broken
[10:32] <kezz> heh there will be just as many in a #suse
[10:32] <sensebend> Ubuntu Warty is staby
[10:32] <MobyTurbo> apes, universe/multiverse is a snapshot of unstable
[10:32] <sensebend> hoary is the upcoming release
[10:32] <xed> apt-get can be used in terminal without X right?
[10:32] <apes> ahh cool...
[10:32] <kezz> xed yes
[10:32] <Gwildor|Work> xed, yes
[10:32] <JDahl> xed, yes, but cant handle large upgrades the same way aptitude can
[10:32] <xed> ...
[10:33] <apes> MobyTurbo, im coming off a year using gentoo straight - no windows - and thinkling about using ubunut as my new dist
[10:33] <MobyTurbo> aptitude doesn't need X either.
[10:33] <sensebend> apes, a lot of us are former gentoo users
[10:33] <MobyTurbo> apes, ubuntu will save you time
[10:33] <sensebend> check the pool in the forums
[10:33] <TUXIE> Still haven't got a fix for Ubuntu's quirky instlall from a single CD :->
[10:33] <sensebend> poll rather
[10:33] <kezz> JDahl, how can't it handle them?
[10:33] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, whats the intall problem?
[10:33] <kezz> apt-get dist-upgrade works fine for me
[10:33] <sensebend> Gwildor|Work, it asks for a second CD
[10:33] <apes> since i hate witing to compile on my amd64 gentoo lappy, which also runs 64but native and has namy issues like no official java browser plugin support and no 64 bit wireless drivers
[10:33] <JDahl> kezz, e.g. downgrading and holding packages without aptitude? good luck...
[10:33] <Gwildor|Work> sensebend, so tell it no.......
[10:34] <TUXIE> Gwildor|Work It keeps asking for the second CD tho it was a single CD ISO burn instaltion!!!!!
[10:34] <xed> What can the calendar be used for in ubuntu?
[10:34] <MobyTurbo> apes, is there an AMD64 version of Ubuntu?
[10:34] <kezz> JDahl, but surely aptitude is only a gui frontend
[10:34] <xed> Like.. can I add notes t it or something?
[10:34] <sensebend> I'm not having this problem, TUXIE is
[10:34] <apes> MobyTurbo, yes
[10:34] <sensebend> MobyTurbo, yest there is
[10:34] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, sensebend  ive never had that happen...on 4th install
[10:34] <sensebend> me neither
[10:34] <Gwildor|Work> kezz, you are correct
[10:34] <MobyTurbo> neat. Of course, I'm still using a 1.7GHz P4. :-)
[10:34] <sensebend> it's something strange
[10:34] <davmor2> ogra are you about
[10:34] <apes> MobyTurbo, but amd64 dists all suffer from the lack of compatible software still
[10:35] <sensebend> I've never seen any mention of it
[10:35] <apes> hardware is not supported well
[10:35] <JDahl> kezz, I agree it's technically possible to do dpkg and apt-get... I am just saying I wouldnt want to do it
[10:35] <sensebend> on the mailing list or forum
[10:35] <JDahl> s/to do/to do with/
[10:35] <TUXIE> Could it be the distro versin.. sorry I can't remeber the version :-<
[10:36] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, well, im pretty sure all of here isntalled from the same version, less it was from debian
[10:36] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, maybe just a bad burn......i doubt it, but you never know
[10:36] <MaddMarshall2k> i need a book
[10:36] <MaddMarshall2k> not man pages but like an ebook
[10:36] <MaddMarshall2k> that will make me less noobish
[10:36] <Gwildor|Work> tldp.org
[10:36] <Gwildor|Work> MaddMarshall2k, that ws to you
[10:36] <MobyTurbo> MaddMarshall2k, "Running Linux" from O'Reilly
[10:37] <apes> anyone know if there are i686 .deb releases of files or athlon-xp optimized binaries?
[10:37] <xed> It seems I'm already fully updated. =|
[10:37] <kezz> MaddMarshall2k, http://ubuntuguide.org?
[10:37] <Gwildor|Work> xed, you got hoary or warty repos?
[10:37] <xed> ...
[10:37] <xed> I don't.. know..
[10:37] <Gwildor|Work> lol
[10:37] <Gwildor|Work> check synaptic
[10:37] <MobyTurbo> apes, the kernel is available in i686 and AMD flavors
[10:37] <nsahoo> why is it not recommended that one uses debian repository with ubuntu ?
[10:37] <TUXIE> Gwildor|Work Bad burn would trash the installation completely .. this sounds like some kind of screwup with the particular distro? ;-<
[10:37] <apes> MobyTurbo, yes i got the k7 versions installed fine
[10:37] <Gwildor|Work> xed, and if you dont know, yu prob have warty
[10:37] <davmor2> ogra are you about
[10:38] <MobyTurbo> nsahoo, because there are differences that can conflict.
[10:38] <MobyTurbo> wait a minute, telephone call
[10:38] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, what i am saying is, i dont think there has been any changes to the iso, since warty was final...so either we all have the problem.......or it is something to do with YOUR disk
[10:39] <apes> apt-get install azureus fails :-(
[10:39] <nsahoo> hmm .. the problem is there are some packages for which ubuntu repository has the old packages .. but, debian has the newer one
[10:39] <xed> I do have Warty..
[10:39] <xed> I just got it 2 days ago.
[10:39] <Gwildor|Work> apes, why?
[10:39] <sensebend> apes, you'll need jre
[10:39] <apes> couldnt find package azureus
[10:39] <TUXIE> Anybody get their distros off of magaxine covermounts? .. I don't mean to sound cheap .. but I prefer 2 buy before I try ;->
[10:39] <Gwildor|Work> xed, warty or hoary.....warty only has security updates
[10:39] <sensebend> and azureus might not be in the repos
[10:39] <xed> =\
[10:40] <xed> I'll just use apt-cache search
[10:40] <apes> sensebend, is blackdown or sun preferred in ubuntu
[10:40] <Gwildor|Work> xed, do apt-get update.......try to see if you see the words hoary or warty as all the text flys by
[10:40] <maps73> jhg
[10:40] <sensebend> I use sun
[10:40] <davmor2> apes azureus isn't in the repos
[10:41] <Gwildor|Work> apes, azureus is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>amule....its in the repos
[10:41] <TUXIE> Gwildor|Work .. fair enough... :-<
[10:41] <Gwildor|Work> P2P
[10:41] <xed> warty Gwildor|Work.
[10:41] <Gwildor|Work> xed, ok, you wont see amny updates
[10:41] <Gwildor|Work> many
[10:42] <xed> yeah, I don't
[10:42] <Gwildor|Work> :)
[10:42] <xed> I'll just use apt-cache search to look for whatever I need. =\
[10:42] <Gwildor|Work> in synaptic you can search thru all of the available packages...sorted by catagory
[10:42] <JDahl> xed, resist upgrading to hoary for a while, and get to know the tools first
[10:42] <TUXIE> Staying with the Tuetons.. Worsprung Durch Tekinik.... BMW ... and the work ethic!
[10:42] <Gwildor|Work> idk about aptitude...i never use it
[10:43] <apes> Gwildor|Work, yeah thanks man - i used amule all ht eime - good stuff
[10:43] <Gwildor|Work> JDahl, that is so hard to do.........
[10:43] <Gwildor|Work> apes, np :)
[10:43] <xed> JDahl, I am just using this atm.
[10:43] <xed> I don't really know the difference between Hoary and Warty....
[10:43] <Gwildor|Work> hoary is unstable
[10:44] <xed> So then why use Hoary at all =/
[10:44] <xed> ?
[10:44] <Gwildor|Work> umm, not final......not done
[10:44] <JDahl> Gwildor|Work, I think you can do all the same in Aptitude.. search with '/' to enter a regular expr... repeat '/' to jump to next entry etc.
[10:44] <TUXIE> I suspect it's my speeling or u peepil are all from the US of A ?
[10:44] <Gwildor|Work> well, it is pretty stable IMO,......its just called unstable...there MAY be bugs
[10:44] <Gwildor|Work> TUXIE, i am
[10:44] <xed> TUXIE, I'm in Canada.. eh.
[10:44] <Bilbo-B> hi
[10:44] <TUXIE> xed .. same thing .. ;->
[10:44] <Gwildor|Work> hi
[10:45] <neofeed> lol TUXIE you gotta die for that :P
[10:45] <Bilbo-B> i am having problems with the framebuffer console
[10:45] <xed> I'm going to die if I'm in Canada?
[10:45] <Bilbo-B> i set vga=mode
[10:45] <neofeed> TUXIE, btw it's called 'Vorsprung durch Technik'
[10:45] <Gwildor|Work> i plan on moving to canada
[10:45] <TUXIE> neofeed I once upon atime lived in Hamilton Ontario :->
[10:45] <Bilbo-B> in the menu.lst config file of grub, and i got garbage on boot
[10:46] <ogra> davmor2: yup
[10:46] <ogra> davmor2: yup
[10:46] <Bilbo-B> using every mode
[10:46] <TUXIE> neofeed I stand corrected :->
[10:46] <neofeed> xed, no... but mostly canadians are upset about being compared to the us.
[10:46] <TUXIE> btw?
[10:46] <JDahl> Gwildor|Work, yeah.. I also cant wait to move back to a country with high taxes, social security and no SUVs
[10:46] <xed> meh. =/
[10:46] <neofeed> TUXIE, By Tha Waiii
[10:47] <xed> I'm not upset about being compared with the Canadians.
[10:47] <TUXIE> OK..thanx ;->
[10:47] <Gwildor|Work> JDahl, anything is better than not having a job.....paying millions to go to school just to get a job........
[10:47] <xed> geez.  You simply leak the plan to invade the US. Until you have fixed that. You will never! trust me, never every be like the US
[10:48] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[10:48] <sensebend> Canada rules :)
[10:48] <zenwhen> Wow, its liberal Linux circle jerk time.
[10:49] <Ensiferum> now that i finally got x running, i hit ctrl+alt+f2, how to get back to x? ctrl+alt+f7 doesnt work. what's the trick?
[10:49] <xed> try f1?
[10:49] <Gwildor|Work> circle jerk........who's in the middle?
[10:49] <zenwhen> Your mom. :)
[10:49] <Gwildor|Work> sweet
[10:49] <xed> hahaha
[10:50] <JDahl> I am originally from Europe and it sickens me how the "new Europe" is wagging its tail at US and going against the will of the majority of the people just to the their picture taken with Bush at his ranch
[10:50] <TUXIE> Anybody live in Hamilton Ontario.. I .. did in 1965..1972 ...I believe it was a large "province" full of "woods" .. something like the "New England "vacation states" of the US of A? ;->
[10:50] <topyli> is p3nfs supposed to be stable? perhaps my serial cable is b0rken
[10:50] <bkuebler> soggy biscuit
[10:51] <Gwildor|Work> JDahl,why?...........ive got horses
[10:51] <neofeed> JDahl, hmmm my country does not really do that. Our chancelor finds it more important to get tacken from behind by the nice french guy and be on a picture with the russian president
[10:51] <JDahl> neofeed, then you're from "old Europe"
[10:52] <neofeed> what's the new europe than?
[10:52] <zenwhen> Wow this is some good Linux discussion.
[10:52] <neofeed> Have I missed something?
[10:52] <MaddMarshall2k> ok heres the big linux test
[10:52] <MaddMarshall2k> can i surf the web and watch a dvd on this POS
[10:52] <MaddMarshall2k> windows cant handle it
[10:52] <zenwhen> Survey says: no
[10:52] <MaddMarshall2k> ok what program do i get for it
[10:53] <MaddMarshall2k> thats nice and full featured
[10:53] <neofeed> MaddMarshall2k, POS?
[10:53] <neofeed> Point of Sight?
[10:53] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, I don't understand what you're talking about
[10:53] <MaddMarshall2k> piece of s***
[10:53] <Poprocks> yeah I know what POS means
[10:53] <TUXIE> JDahl Yes.. I'm from the "old country" Scotland.. where ther appears to be a large immigrant populace in Canada and the US... my..my we were frisky and adventurous in the 17th century! :->
[10:53] <MaddMarshall2k> poprocks? whats not to understand
[10:53] <JDahl> zenwhen, I know.. I will let it slide... I just get worked up easily... neofeed, "old" and "new" Europe are terms that the Bush administration use for those contries that either against or for US, respectively
[10:53] <MaddMarshall2k> neofeed asked for the definition
[10:53] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, what's a POS, your computer or ubuntu?
[10:53] <MaddMarshall2k> what dont you get poprocks
[10:53] <MaddMarshall2k> the computer
[10:54] <neofeed> JDahl, ahh..
[10:54] <MaddMarshall2k> and windows if it works better on here
[10:54] <sensebend> I've never heard as different parts of Europe refered to as new or old
[10:54] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, oh.. what are its specs?
[10:54] <topyli> hmm. this must be on topic
[10:54] <neofeed> MaddMarshall2k, you want to watch DVD in fullscreen and surf the web?
[10:54] <MaddMarshall2k> 2.6ghx celeron
[10:54] <sensebend> can you show an example JDahl?
[10:54] <MaddMarshall2k> 256megs of ram
[10:54] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, ... and windows can't handle that?
[10:54] <MaddMarshall2k> its an emachine
[10:54] <zenwhen> JDahl, your blind frothing liberal rage makes Linux chat less fun.
[10:54] <MaddMarshall2k> not web surfing and dvds simultaneously
[10:54] <MaddMarshall2k> the dvds skip to a point that is unbearable
[10:54] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, well it comes with Firefox for web browsing
[10:55] <sensebend> MaddMarshall2k, is dma enabled on your DVD drive?
[10:55] <JDahl> sensebend, an example about what? zenwhen, that borders ignorance
[10:55] <zenwhen> Bush Bush Bush Bush
[10:55] <Poprocks> and as for the DVDs... well if it's a hardware problem then it won't be any different on Ubuntu
[10:55] <MaddMarshall2k> dma?
[10:55] <neofeed> zenwhen, s/B/H
[10:55] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, I gather you're on Windows now right?
[10:55] <neofeed>  /g
[10:55] <zenwhen> Bush Bush Bush? Did you know... Bush? Bush.
[10:55] <MaddMarshall2k> nah i dont think its hardware
[10:55] <sensebend> and example of when the Bush admin refers to new and old europe
[10:55] <MaddMarshall2k> no im on ubuntu
[10:56] <MaddMarshall2k> its just that i dont think windows can handle the video rendering along with another active process
[10:56] <TUXIE> Naebody here from the Uooo Kayyy of Scotkand where the guys wear "skirts? ;->
[10:56] <JDahl> sensebend, they did in all their speeches before Iraq... categorized them into old and new Europe
[10:56] <sensebend> MaddMarshall2k, I'll bet it's dma
[10:56] <zenwhen> Just shut up about him.  I don`t like our head of state. Wich is not Bush. But I'm not going to love him just because he got elected.
[10:57] <MaddMarshall2k> linux.. not politics please
[10:57] <OddAbe19> zenwhen, JDahl, and sensebend, this is NOT the place to be talking about this, this is a support forum, go to linuxtalk or ubuntuforums
[10:57] <neofeed> MaddMarshall2k, what DVD player have you tried?
[10:57] <OddAbe19> please
[10:57] <MaddMarshall2k> dvd playing software?
[10:57] <neofeed> yep
[10:57] <sensebend> hey neighborlee I'm not in this debate
[10:57] <TUXIE> MaddMarsha U do Linux?
[10:58] <MaddMarshall2k> none... on linux that is... thats why im asking what i should get
[10:58] <VirtualDarKness> neighborlee, hi
[10:58] <Gaaruto> when the debian installer will be available ?
[10:58] <zenwhen> OddAbe19, I tried to tell them that.
[10:58] <sensebend> this isn't a place for offtopic debate though
[10:58] <neofeed> MaddMarshall2k, hmm I think 'Totem','MPlayer','Xine' all do DVD
[10:58] <MaddMarshall2k> do i do linux?
[10:58] <zenwhen> If they werent going to stop, someone needed to say somehting.
[10:58] <MaddMarshall2k> which one is featured
[10:58] <MaddMarshall2k> like actually for dvd
[10:58] <mjg59> MaddMarshall2k: For DVD playback? totem is good, but not very full featured. xine has many, many features.
[10:58] <MaddMarshall2k> not totem
[10:58] <Poprocks> totem-xine is probably easiest to use
[10:58] <MaddMarshall2k> xine then ok
[10:58] <narkone> any spanish?
[10:58] <mjg59> You want the xine-ui package
[10:58] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, you can also get Totem to use xine to play stuff
[10:58] <Ensiferum> *sigh* no cd-rom :|
[10:59] <Poprocks> but xine-ui is probably what you're looking for
[10:59] <MaddMarshall2k> not looking for easy... looking for full featured... sorta like powerdvd and such
[10:59] <TUXIE> Yeah I do Suze 9.1 ..that's Linux!!! not smelly Ubuntu that can't install!! :->
[10:59] <MaddMarshall2k> i have totem xine
[10:59] <Poprocks> you'll need libdvdcss to decode most dvds.
[10:59] <MaddMarshall2k> but it looks generic
[10:59] <node500> uhm, can someone tell me where i can download ..uhm..the internet ?
[10:59] <MaddMarshall2k> where do i get that
[10:59] <narkone> any spanish person?
[10:59] <MaddMarshall2k> i searched for dvd on synaptic but libdvdcss didnt show up
[10:59] <neofeed> MaddMarshall2k, I guess there are mplayer packages inte Synaptic thingy
[11:00] <topyli> narkone: i think there's #ubuntu-es
[11:00] <mjg59> MaddMarshall2k: Ubuntu can't distribute libdvdcss
[11:00] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, you'll have to add an external repository since ubuntu isn't allowed to distribute it
[11:00] <occy> nomasteryoda: hey bud, you there?
[11:00] <GFXstyLER> hi
[11:00] <mjg59> MaddMarshall2k: There's a file in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread that tells you how to get it
[11:00] <occy> nomasteryoda: I'll try and call you.
[11:00] <warty632> hi
[11:00] <GFXstyLER> how can i install the ati fglrx drivers without trashing my x server ? (please, no link to the ubuntu howTo, i already tried that)
[11:02] <JDahl> GFXstyLER, it wont work on Hoary
[11:02] <MaddMarshall2k> ummmm ill just see if i can google it
[11:02] <GFXstyLER> i use warty :)
[11:02] <YokoZar> When I hit the left and right mouse buttons simultaneously, it simulates a middle click.  How do I disable this behavior?
[11:02] <GFXstyLER> i cant use blender without ati 3D acceleration, it lags like hell
[11:03] <neofeed> GFXstyLER, so what about installing your GraphicCards driver?
[11:03] <sensebend> you won't get ati 3d acceleration until they release it
[11:04] <neofeed> GFXstyLER, in case you got nVidia you got good driver in case you got ATI you got medium quality driver
[11:04] <sensebend> or until they make the drivers free software
[11:04] <neofeed> ohh ati :/
[11:04] <VirtualDarKness> YokoZar, tried editing your XFree or xorg config file?
[11:04] <neofeed> I ready 'any'
[11:04] <GFXstyLER> i got 3d acelleration to work on suse once
[11:04] <YokoZar> VirtualDarKness: Not yet, I was hoping it was doable from a control panel somewhere.  The Mouse panel is lacking, though.
[11:04] <VirtualDarKness> YokoZar, Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "false"
[11:05] <YokoZar> VirtualDarKness: Thanks
[11:05] <VirtualDarKness> YokoZar, afair should be that one but not 100% sure.. let me know
[11:05] <GFXstyLER> and i read others had succsess, but i just did a clean ubuntu installation and configured it to my needs and that took me a day, and i dont want to start all over again just because x server is trashed
[11:05] <apes> anyone know how to get eclipse-sdk 3.x going in ubuntu?
[11:08] <topyli> since web searches yield nothing, i dub p3nfs OK and my cables faulty :(
[11:09] <xed> hi
[11:13] <neofeed> apes, there is a HOWTO @ ubuntu.com
[11:13] <neofeed> apes, in the java section
[11:15] <MaddMarshall2k> damnit im getting no sound in xine
[11:16] <incorrect> hello
[11:16] <Poprocks> incorrect, hi
[11:16] <incorrect> hello there
[11:17] <warty> uhh...i have a quick q - i'm trying to exit the live cd and i tried to log off, and it just logged me back in
[11:18] <JDahl> warty, can you just power off?
[11:18] <incorrect> is there a searchable package db?
[11:19] <JDahl> incorrect, apt-cache search
[11:19] <MobyTurbo> incorrect, synaptic and I think aptitude can search, or you can use "apt-cache search" on the command line.
[11:19] <MaddMarshall2k> damnit im getting no sound in xine.. someon help
[11:19] <incorrect> i don't have it installed
[11:19] <warty> dahl, from the button on my comp ?
[11:19] <warty> right
[11:19] <warty> the box ?
[11:20] <Poprocks> MaddMarshall2k, nothing you play from xine has sound?
[11:20] <MobyTurbo> incorrect, you certainly have it installed. Look at the computer / system configuration menu for synaptic
[11:20] <MaddMarshall2k> the dvd has no sound
[11:20] <incorrect> i have gnetoo on my laptop with a couple of usermode debian installs
[11:20] <sid77> hi
[11:20] <JDahl> warty, umm.. yes. If you're playing with live CD, what's the harm of shutting of power?
[11:20] <neofeed> incorrect, I had gentoo on my box but for an 850Mhz system gentoo is not standable
[11:21] <warty> k jdahl, i wasnt sure
[11:21] <incorrect> neofeed, i have it on a k6-2 400 its fine
[11:21] <incorrect> but its a server and i don't update often
[11:21] <warty> [wait...is the cd going to eject, it wont let me manually, on my cd-drive]
[11:21] <incorrect> does ubuntu have debs of java?
[11:22] <neofeed> warty, no because it's mounted. You will not be able to eject a cd that is supposed to be read
[11:22] <incorrect> ubuntu a desktop only distro?
[11:22] <warty> k
[11:22] <exlt> incorrect - add universe to your sources.list and you will find java debs
[11:22] <warty> thank you for the help, dealing with the noobs
[11:22] <warty> and me :)
[11:23] <incorrect> exlt, 1.4 ?
[11:23] <jdub> incorrect: nup, definitely not desktop-only :)
[11:23] <neofeed> exlt, you lean mean confusing machine :P
[11:23] <incorrect> traditionally im a debian person
[11:23] <exlt> add universe ; apt-get update ; apt-cache search java
[11:23] <incorrect> however i just want an easy life with java
[11:24] <MobyTurbo> exlt, those are tools to make java debs out of java binaries from non-apt sources.
[11:24] <exlt> incorrect - I;m on a Slack box at the moment  ;)
[11:24] <incorrect> i have 50 servers to deploy and im not longer happy with debian,
[11:24] <exlt> ahh - ok - true, licensing issues will come into play...
[11:25] <incorrect> personally if the company has to pay anything
[11:25] <incorrect> we don't care, cause its what we develop in
[11:25] <topyli> java-package will build a debian package straight from the horse's mouth
[11:25] <neofeed> incorrect, so you are not happy with debian but instead look for a debian derivate that has been speicalized for the desktop?
[11:25] <incorrect> i just want an easy life
[11:25] <incorrect> neofeed, i asked if ubuntu was a desktop distro, i was told no
[11:25] <exlt> yes and no
[11:26] <topyli> incorrect: if i had 50 servers i would accept nothing else but debian :)
[11:26] <exlt> Slack
[11:26] <incorrect> topyli, even if they were all tomcat 5 and java 1.4 servers
[11:26] <topyli> tomcat i don't know. maintenance i do =)
[11:26] <incorrect> i love debian, i've used it for years and years
[11:26] <neofeed> incorrect, ubuntu is a distribution like every other. if you want you can make it run as server. If you want a desktop machine you can make it be a desktop machine.
[11:27] <exlt> personally, I like using my own installs of SDK and tomcat under /usr/local
[11:27] <incorrect> neofeed, just like debian
[11:27] <incorrect> neofeed, i read it uses more upto date sources
[11:27] <topyli> incorrect: get sun blades. java is bound to work ;)
[11:27] <neofeed> incorrect, wow.. so what about makeing debian use unstable?
[11:27] <xevil> incorrect correct
[11:28] <incorrect> topyli, lol
[11:28] <exlt> there you go - solaris is a mercedes :)
[11:28] <topyli> hehe
[11:28] <incorrect> neofeed, isn't there some more control with ubuntu?
[11:28] <neighborlee> hey peeps..are there any 'slice' apps for linux..ie: like image ready for PS or fireworks ????
[11:28] <neighborlee> py-slice in gimp isn't working for me so :((....
[11:28] <neofeed> neighborlee, what's a 'slice' app?
[11:29] <neighborlee> I mean it doesn't work period..has anyone else tried it??
[11:29] <neofeed> does it slice bread?
[11:29] <neighborlee> neofeed, well it takes a image and slices it up into table format ..
[11:29] <neighborlee> which makes it nice for page layout
[11:29] <topyli> man slice -> No manual entry for slice
[11:29] <neofeed> neighborlee, page layout with tables for images?
[11:29] <neighborlee> py-slice
[11:29] <incorrect> its strange there doesn't seem to be a server focused distro
[11:29] <neighborlee> its a plugin for gimip
[11:29] <neighborlee> gimp
[11:30] <neofeed> neighborlee, you must be shitting me!
[11:30] <neighborlee> nope i'm not
[11:30] <topyli> ahh
[11:30] <JDahl> neighborlee, that sounds too specialized to be prepackaged... maybe freshmeat?
[11:30] <neofeed> neighborlee, who on earth does serious webdesign with tables? ... yea i know there are a lot.
[11:30] <neighborlee> neofeed, well some designs flat can not be done with just CSS
[11:31] <neofeed> if you say so. I'm not going to argue about what can be done with css and not. therefor we have #web
[11:31] <neighborlee> neofeed, unless I'm not using css right...shrug..i'm a bit rusty so...
[11:31] <VirtualDarKness> neofeed, the problem with CSS is called IE ;)
[11:31] <will> hi how do i run a .pl file?
[11:31] <neofeed> VirtualDarKness, yea. But that's not a problem with no fix ;)
[11:31] <exlt> incorrect: there are server-based distros out there, such as SLES, RHEL, Trustix - depends on what you are comfortable with
[11:32] <neofeed> VirtualDarKness, and there is this IE7 javascript thingy that makes IE understand some css
[11:32] <neighborlee> neofeed, I just need to set my javascript code for mouseovers is all i'm really after but for that I must slice up this large image..can that be done with css ?
[11:32] <VirtualDarKness> neofeed, what is the IE7 thing?
[11:32] <will> how can you run .pl files? anyone know?
[11:32] <neofeed> VirtualDarKness, dunno search /.
[11:32] <incorrect> RHEL funny, thats snot even a distro
[11:33] <exlt> incorrect: Debian... ;)
[11:33] <neofeed> VirtualDarKness, they had it there sometime back
[11:33] <neofeed> neighborlee, mouseovers? you man an ImageMap?
[11:33] <MaddMarshall2k> the quality is raunch
[11:33] <JDahl> will, perl xxx.pl
[11:33] <incorrect> exlt, yeah debian, just so old, sarge will be out of date before it comes out
[11:34] <exlt> incorrect: then follow sid
[11:34] <will> JDahl:thanks!
[11:34] <neighborlee> neofeed, no ..I thought about using imagemap but not sure thats the way I want to go
[11:34] <incorrect> whahats SELS?
[11:34] <incorrect> exlt, you can't use that for productions
[11:34] <exlt> incorrect: or, as our IT folks do, use backports
[11:34] <neofeed> neighborlee, so you want to split up an image into 100 of pieces. buy that adding lots of server load and stuff?
[11:34] <neighborlee> neofeed, is that the standard way of doing things ?
[11:34] <neighborlee> neofeed, ha not 100's..maybe 20 or so....anyway so I can do this with css ???
[11:34] <neofeed> neighborlee, if you have 1 image . You open ONE stream. and get ONE header sent. if you slice it into 100 images you get 99 more open streams and 99 more headers
[11:35] <neofeed> neighborlee, slicing - no, position, yes.
[11:35] <neofeed> neighborlee, but for those questions I'd rather you to go to #web
[11:35] <neighborlee> neofeed, well..its slightly more complicated than that
[11:35] <incorrect> exlt, i simply need a dsitro that provides good tomcat and java support, just packages would do, no stupid X no extra junk,
[11:35] <exlt> incorrect: Debian is about stability (read: good for servers), not bleeding edge
[11:35] <neighborlee> neofeed, sounds good
[11:35] <neighborlee> neofeed, thx
[11:35] <will> where is the best place to install vmware and its libraries?
[11:35] <incorrect> exlt, yeah, i guess i should just trust in debian ;)
[11:36] <neofeed> incorrect, so what about looking for some java, tomcat deb's? and use debian?
[11:36] <exlt> incorrect: this is precisely why I install tomcat and SDK on my own in, and not rely on someone else building it form me
[11:36] <neofeed> incorrect, doesn't sound too hard to me.
[11:36] <incorrect> neofeed, there aren't any tomcat 5 debs that are worth using
[11:36] <neofeed> incorrect, so. install on all server debian. create a java/tomcat install somewhere in /usr/local
[11:37] <neofeed> and simply copy it over to the other server using what ever you prefere most.
[11:37] <exlt> jakarta.apache.org, incorrect - untar it, set up a few things, and let 'er rip...
[11:37] <incorrect> neofeed, i got 50 servers
[11:37] <neofeed> you could even st up some rsync repo
[11:37] <krix> hey
[11:37] <neofeed> incorrect, all the same server ?
[11:37] <MaddMarshall2k> how do i enable dma
[11:37] <incorrect> no 50 servers
[11:38] <incorrect> 8 racks full
[11:38] <jdub> incorrect: no distribution really has great java support atm
[11:38] <neofeed> incorrect, yea all the same kind of server?
[11:38] <incorrect> jdub, gentoo would be sweet if it made packages, but it doesn't as such
[11:38] <incorrect> neofeed, sort of
[11:38] <neofeed> incorrect, or do you have different hardware, different nics etc?
[11:38] <exlt> ewwww
[11:38] <incorrect> neofeed, variants
[11:38] <neighborlee> neofeed, I stumped all 150 users so far LOL
[11:38] <incorrect> neofeed, i could mirror them, but
[11:38] <neighborlee> neofeed, so  I guesss ill be using a imagemap possibly LOL
[11:39] <incorrect> i could just write a bash script to do it
[11:39] <exlt> gentoo is simply too much time to admin, imo, and very limited gains in performance
[11:39] <incorrect> it wouldn't be hard to scipt the install,
[11:39] <neighborlee> exlt, I agree '100%'
[11:39] <neofeed> exlt, gains, if ever.
[11:39] <incorrect> urg
[11:39] <incorrect> i just wanted it as part of the distro
[11:39] <neighborlee> exlt, I know...I've tried it and 'no thanks'
[11:40] <incorrect> i want the moon on a stick
[11:40] <neighborlee> lol
[11:40] <neofeed> incorrect, you will hardly get something like that. But maybe someone in #debian did that already and has the scripts?
[11:40] <incorrect> does anyone know where i can get the moon on a stick?
[11:40] <neighborlee> exlt, I figure if I want to compile EVERYTHING ill just find job as a computer programmer..but in my real life I could care lesss ;-))
[11:40] <incorrect> neofeed, oh it wouldn't take me long to write the script
[11:40] <incorrect> its just i hoped someone would have sorted it by now
[11:40] <neofeed> incorrect, ask in the next superstore for a stick and a cheese, there you go.
[11:40] <jdub> incorrect: any distro would be sweet if it made packages, thus my comment.
[11:41] <gilgamesh_> Anyone want to tackle an abstract hypothetical?
[11:41] <Pugio> ummm
[11:41] <gilgamesh_> One only tengentially having to do with linux?
[11:41] <Pugio> such as...
[11:41] <exlt> incorrect:  you could set up your servers from default debian install - create and distribute your own sdk/tomcat packages that would allow you to distribute them among your servers - this way let apt maintain the os, and all you need to do is maintain your app server software
[11:41] <Pugio> gilgames....
[11:42] <incorrect> exlt, yeah i could package tomcat5 and java 1.4, i guess it would help others
[11:42] <incorrect> im lazy
[11:42] <Pugio> gilgamesh_ ....
[11:42] <gilgamesh_> Sorry, yes.
[11:42] <gilgamesh_> Here we go
[11:43] <gilgamesh_> If you were the IT manager for a startup law firm with twenty or so personnel, keeping in mind the needs for office apps, secure email, etc.  how would you set up the office network?
[11:43] <Pugio> hmmmm
[11:44] <Pugio> I'd have to think about that some
[11:44] <Pugio> answer: very carefully
[11:44] <gilgamesh_> A friend of mine and I were contemplating forming our own firm when we get out of law school, and being a former CS guy, the IT end of the hypo sprung to mind.
[11:45] <exlt> incorrect: http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2004/09/msg00060.html
[11:46] <incorrect> Yeah i know those debs ;)
[11:46] <gilgamesh_> I mean, long-term data storage and secure email are crucial, since client data is like blood.  Of course, to implement the traditional Windows client-server solution is expensive and problematic, so the big question was, "could linux do the job on both the server and client ends?"
[11:47] <incorrect> exlt, just wanted as part of the distro
[11:47] <gilgamesh_> Several questions arise, such as whether or not OO.o meets a law office's needs as well as MS Office, and whether a thin-client model would work, etc...
[11:48] <incorrect> like i said, i want the moon on a stick
[11:48] <neofeed> incorrect eq gilgamesh_
[11:48] <exlt> incorrect, yeah, but if you read the headache that it is to create his debs, it is clear why a simple tar xzvf from the official jakarta archive is so nice - and it "just works"
[11:49] <incorrect> exlt, i suppose
[11:49] <adam_> can someone help me get java installed and working on my mozilla firefox on ubuntu
[11:49] <incorrect> gentoo manages it ;)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> gilgamesh_: It can easily be made to work
[11:50] <davmor2> ogra r u about
[11:50] <gilgamesh_> care to enlighten?
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> gilgamesh_: the main thing apparently is templates
[11:50] <jcspray> Dammit, why did January's calendar have to be a guy?
[11:50] <exlt> incorrect, gentoo also has no qualms about throwing software into their repositories without a "higher level" of regard for licensing
[11:50] <gilgamesh_> Templates, flexible bullets&numbering, and the right fonts.  Seems simple enough
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> if you start with OO.o
[11:51] <jcspray> adam_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> you have 0 compatibility options
[11:51] <incorrect> exlt, thats fine by me ;)
[11:51] <exlt> hehe
[11:51] <gilgamesh_> 0 compatibility options?
[11:51] <krix> HrdwrBoB, 0 comp. options with MS* products? :)
[11:51] <krix> if that, well yes. :) Not 0 but 10% comp. :)
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> krix: yes
[11:51] <krix> at last summer i tried to migrate a company from windows to linux
[11:51] <exlt> incorrect, how many machines did you say?  50?  see you in a couple of weeks after your initial provisioning....
[11:51] <gilgamesh_> Why would I need compatibility with MS Office, if the whole office were linux?
[11:52] <krix> based on 18 windows clients. But the hard part was MSword and OOo
[11:52] <gilgamesh_> For inter-office memos I can export to pdf
[11:52] <exlt> gilgamesh_, to email doc files to windows users, perhaps?
[11:52] <krix> the company reciving some very important documents from other companies in msword .doc
[11:52] <krix> btw OOo got crash when tried to open it :)
[11:52] <jcspray> gilgamesh_: I long to also inhabit your wonderful fantasy world in which people don't send you .doc files.
[11:52] <krix> OOo is not a perfect stable system at this moment if you need to view, edit ms* docs
[11:52] <gilgamesh_> If I need to send memoranda to clients, they don't need editing capability, so pdf would suffice, yes?
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> gilgamesh_: precisely
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> gilgamesh_: my main point is, the primary reason for not changing is the investment in current tech
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> so if you start from 0 with free tools
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> you're ahead
[11:53] <krix> gilgamesh_, or try to do that you buy a crossoveroffice
[11:53] <krix> and some msoffice products.
[11:53] <incorrect> i used to host 30 servers on debian and that took a week to deploy, but i had rewritten all the configs
[11:53] <krix> then running frm crossover office the msword products for problem documents.
[11:53] <gilgamesh_> Yeah, crossover is one option... albeit not an optimal one
[11:54] <krix> not an optimal but a working option
[11:54] <neofeed> incorrect, 30 server ? one week? you are definitivly overpayed :P
[11:54] <exlt> incorrect, you need to look into pxe and fai
[11:54] <exlt> that is what I do for a living...
[11:54] <krix> gilgamesh_, that is the safest way i think.
[11:54] <exlt> my data center techs can provision 100+ servers in each DC in one shift
[11:55] <krix> now go to install ubuntu! :)
[11:55] <krix> bye
[11:55] <gilgamesh_> jcspray - incoming .docs would be a minimal problem in a law office (I would think), because most of the paperwork is internally generated.  Clients don't generally do paperwork, and opposing counsel gives you hardcopy.
[11:55] <incorrect> neofeed, i don' think thats bad for a cluster
[11:55] <gilgamesh_> Maybe I'm wrong though
[11:56] <incorrect> didn't have a single problem until someone melted the comms room by under specing the air conn
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> oopsy
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> been there done that
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> restored hundred of gb data
[11:56] <exlt> incorrect, with a crappy old athlon white-box, you could have those boxen up in a day, and that includes setting up pxe and fai from scratch
[11:57] <incorrect> and tested?
[11:57] <exlt> incorrect, depends on what you are testing
[11:58] <exlt> incorrect, testing shmesting - its a cluster - you should be able to take nodes up and down at will
[11:58] <incorrect> im testing the replication, active fail over, load balancing, back up, disaster recovery,
[11:58] <exlt> yeah, true, I suppose
[11:58] <incorrect> i got like 500gb of data
[11:59] <incorrect> and exactly what is the point in setting up pxe for a one off install
[11:59] <exlt> its not a one-off - you are doing 30...
[11:59] <incorrect> well i wouldn't be doing it again
[11:59] <rexiboy> hello
[11:59] <exlt> and have the ability to do it all over agian for additional nodes, etc


[01:55] <korean101> Hi guys.
[01:56] <korean101> i use openstack Kilo releases. and i wanna change my user-data
[01:56] <korean101> but cached files in '/var/lib/clou
[01:56] <korean101> '/var/lib/cloud'
[01:56] <korean101> re read original user-data
[01:57] <korean101> how can i change already created user-data
[01:57] <korean101> ??
[07:08] <Putti> korean101, if you use nova, then try passing to nova boot the --user-data option, but I think if you ask openstack people they might give you a better answer
[07:08] <korean101> Putti: already created VM (with --user-data) -> can't change user-data
[07:09] <korean101> Putti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/userdata-modification (not yet)
[07:09] <korean101> Putti: thanks!!
[07:10] <Putti> ok, glad that something worked
[07:10] <Putti> :)
[08:20] <nixstar> hello
[08:22] <nixstar> wanted to know if there is any way to get the fqdn - eth0 IP addr entry in /etc/hosts?
[08:22] <nixstar> wanted to get an entry like below
[08:22] <nixstar> <IP_ADDRESS> comet.test.com comet
[08:23] <nixstar> not able to see any variables that have IP addr in cloud-init
[09:40] <Putti> nixstar, at least something like a shell script given as user data should do it.
[09:41] <Putti> nixstar, or http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#writing-out-arbitrary-files
[09:43] <nixstar> thanks Putti
[09:44] <nixstar> I was hoping there must be some variable or inbuilt function that gets the IP
[09:45] <Putti> nixstar, you should use this: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#update-etc-hosts
[09:46] <nixstar> i used that
[09:46] <Putti> ah yes, you want the ip too
[09:46] <nixstar> yes
[09:57] <Putti> nixstar, I looked the code cloudinit/distros/__init__.py and it seems not. Currently the value comes from the function _get_localhost_ip() so you could change that if you want, or could make a patch to be applied in upstream... I could even do that.
[09:58] <Putti> hmm or if you just change the ip with some script in /etc/cloud/templates/hosts.tmpl it looks like it preserves the ip addr
[10:05] <Putti> nixstar, you can of course use other tools like ansible to add the ip address there
[10:11] <nixstar> Putti, let me check the code
[10:12] <Putti> I started making the patch but I'm currently looking code for getting the eth0 ip address.
[10:13] <Putti> can the interface have multiple ip addresses?
[10:13] <nixstar> In my case no
[10:17] <nixstar> Putti are contributing member of cloud-init?
[10:17] <nixstar> * are you
[10:18] <Putti> I have submitted some patches to the launchpad but none yet in
[10:18] <nixstar> ok :)
[10:19] <nixstar> I haven't worked much with cloud-init, so thought there might be some to get the IP and ...came here
[16:08] <blackboxsw> nixstar Putti are you folks looking at  http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#set-hostname  maybe?
[16:08] <blackboxsw> bummer, missed nixstar.


[00:00] <bjsnider> lifeless, is universe included in "default"? it doesn't explicitly say
[00:00] <lifeless> I don't think so
[00:00] <lifeless> I think its main + security + updates by default
[00:00] <bjsnider> alright, i'll use backports
[00:00] <lifeless> huh?
[00:01] <lifeless> thats different again :)
[00:01] <lifeless> anyhow, there is nothing special about ppa's and archives - they pull from the same archives as everyone else
[00:05] <bjsnider> well, i want to have universe, restricted and multiverse enabled
[00:06] <lifeless> so do that
[00:06] <bjsnider> i don't see an obvious way to do that
[04:17] <eQuiNoX__> hey everyone i just searched for the package "gnome-shell" and i got a timeout error (Error ID: OOPS-12f3cc2bacfa552e4ed1ef6b57be1267)
[04:18] <eQuiNoX__> its been that way for around gmm 15-20 minutes
[04:18] <eQuiNoX__> is there any other way i could look at the package in lp? the direct link or something?
[04:18] <eQuiNoX__> thanks in advance!
[15:59] <andi3_> hi, I have a project packaged on github, what is a best way to run packaging on launchpad? (so far I was creating pkg-<project> and importing source code, then creating source recipe), is there an easier way withoug creating project?
[20:39] <paolo1> someone help me?
[20:41] <jelmer> paolo1: please ask your question, if somebody knows the answer they'll reply
[20:42] <paolo1> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/img20120212195148.jpg/
[20:42] <paolo1> i have this problem after installation of ocelots
[20:43] <paolo1> i not have access in backtrack 5 r1
[20:43] <jelmer> paolo1: this channel is just for Launchpad; for Ubuntu help you probably want #ubuntu
[20:44] <paolo1> uhmm
[20:44] <paolo1> but this problem is backtrack
[20:44] <paolo1> backtrack-it have only 5 user
[20:45] <jelmer> paolo1: I'm not sure what backtrack is
[20:45] <Ampelbein> !backtrack | paolo1
[20:46] <paolo1> ok
[20:46] <paolo1> oh my god i  m banned on  #backtrack-linux
[20:46] <paolo1> i not entry never
[20:46] <paolo1> impossible
[20:47] <paolo1> * Impossibile entrare in #backtrack-linux (Sei bannato).
[20:47] <paolo1> i not have lucky
[20:47] <paolo1> bye and thanks anyone
[20:50] <jelmer> thanks Ampelbein
[20:50] <jelmer> I had no idea backtrack was a derivative
[20:51] <Ampelbein> It's rather common for backtrack users to hit #ubuntu-* channels/mailing lists.
[20:51] <Ampelbein> Though not here in #launchpad, that's a new trend ;-)
[20:53] <Ampelbein> It doesn't help that backtrack doesn't change the default join channels of their IRC clients :-(


[20:17] <czajkowski> lazypower: no worries
[21:28] <SamuraiEire> good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
[21:31] <cyberanger> SamuraiEire: that doesn't sound kosher
[21:48] <SamuraiEire> :)
[21:51]  * cyberanger finishes eating his BLT


[15:08] <Guest0> hi, quick question I'm installing on an RPI, what is the difference between the packages budgie-desktop and budgie-desktop-environment? (in want the smaller one)