[12:00] <vrln> is usplash (the hacked fbsplash thing) going to be in warty?
[12:00] <Mithrandir> |trey|: hoary opening up should just be a few weeks away, be patient. :)
[12:00] <Mithrandir> vrln: no
[12:00] <|trey|> mdz: I expected them with older version #'s  :/
[12:00] <mdz> vrln: no, that's why it's on the hoary feature goal list :-)
[12:00] <mdz> even when hoary opens, those features won't magically appear
[12:00] <mdz> we need to develop them
[12:00] <phin|work> i need a nice voltron background for my laptop
[12:00] <phin|work> since thats its name :)
[12:00] <|trey|> Mithrandir: patients is not one of my strong suites  ;)
[12:01] <Mithrandir> mdz: true, but then one can experience a bumpy ride, at least. :)
[12:01] <mdz> those things are months away
[12:01] <|trey|> Mithrandir: as soon as Xorg is available though, many many Debian users will prolly jump on board  :)
[12:01] <|trey|> That was one thing I kinda expected  :(
[12:02] <|trey|> mdz: I know... I respect that... sorry, I'm being annoying  :(
[12:03] <|trey|> mdz: :)
[12:06] <|trey|> sup @     *
[12:06] <|trey|>       MarkShuttleworth: I really don't think we should be promising anybody that, ok Jdub?  ?  d-i can fairly easily be configured for a GTK frontend, and Anaconda has been ported to Debian via Progeny
[12:06] <|trey|> ahh... sorry about the semi-flood, didn't realize that would happen  :/
[12:07] <|trey|> How technical is Mark Shuttleworth? afaict he just has a lot of money?  :/
[12:08] <defendguin> i wonder if i can get accelleration of my neomaigic video card :-|
[12:08] <|trey|> defendguin: never heard of it, so prolly not  :(
[12:08] <vrln> after warty is released and the hoary development branch is opened, will the dev branch have security support?
[12:08] <defendguin> |trey|, its a very old card
[12:09] <stratking> anyone have any problems w/ orinoco pcmcia cards?
[12:09] <Mithrandir> |trey|: he knows his ropes.
[12:09] <|trey|> vrln: unlikely... security stuff is usually just code from a new release backported to old releases...
[12:09] <stratking> the modules don't seem to be loaded and the card isn't being recognized
[12:09] <|trey|> Mithrandir: k... so whats up with his comment there? surely he knows its highly possible either way?
[12:09] <dropster> anyone for noob question ??
[12:09] <defendguin> every reference i can find to it on the web is quite old
[12:09] <|trey|> dropster: just ask  :/
[12:10] <Mithrandir> |trey|: Mark is technically competent.
[12:10] <dropster> ive just installed ubuntu amd64, but gcc doesnt seem to work(translate probably im stupid)
[12:11] <Kamion> |trey|: Mark has a point there; both d-i GTK and Anaconda are non-trivial to make work
[12:11] <|trey|> Mithrandir: afaik, there is a GTK frontend that has been functioning for a number of months... (I tried it... at an earlier release, and it seemed to work)
[12:11] <Mithrandir> dropster: apt-get install build-essential
[12:11] <dropster> so it doesnt have gcc installes as default ??
[12:11] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it's a much harder problem than you think.
[12:11] <Kamion> |trey|: when you say "d-i can fairly easily be configured for a GTK frontend", I can guess that, unlike me, you haven't been at a d-i developers meeting for the last half a week spending a great deal of effort trying to *make* it work ;)
[12:11] <Mithrandir> dropster: correct.
[12:11] <|trey|> Kamion: Anaconda is what Progeny uses to install its system...
[12:11] <dropster> thx
[12:11] <Kamion> |trey|: it's quite a long way from even building at this point
[12:11] <vrln> |trey|: yeah that's what I think too, my quess is that it'll be more like Sid (no support, but since packages are propably moving quite quickly it won't be that bad)
[12:12] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it's possible to get it working, but it has a bunch of interesting issues.
[12:12] <Kamion> |trey|: do Progeny support all our architectures?
[12:12] <Kamion> porting an installer to a different architecture is non-trivial
[12:12] <Mithrandir> Kamion: d-i isn't too bad, though.
[12:12] <axe9dotcom> Yup
[12:12] <axe9dotcom> That fixed it ^^
[12:12] <|trey|> Kamion: sorry... like I said, I used one that did work though... although it was slightly ugly  :/
[12:12] <Mithrandir> Kamion: since it's a zillion small pieces.
[12:12] <Kamion> also, AIUI Anaconda is pretty hacked-up for Debian
[12:12] <Kamion> Mithrandir: right
[12:12] <|trey|> Kamion: afaik, yes
[12:12] <axe9dotcom> Might wanna post that on the bugzilla
[12:12] <Kamion> d-i is not that hard to port, but it was designed for portability from the ground up
[12:12] <|trey|> Kamion: granted, it is... but it works...
[12:13] <manou> hi q3balex
[12:13] <Kamion> |trey|: you might have had a one-off specially-hacked demo from ages back
[12:13] <q3balex> hi hi
[12:13] <vrln> I don't think there's anything wrong with d-i, why spend time fixing something that isn't broke
[12:13] <phin|work> are there any other display managers, other then xdm, gdm and kdm?
[12:13] <Kamion> |trey|: I'm quite certain that it hasn't worked at all properly in the d-i mainline for something like a year
[12:13] <Kamion> vrln: we don't plan to. :)
[12:13] <phin|work> im thinking i want something thats lighter
[12:13] <phin|work> maybe python based or something.
[12:14] <|trey|> Kamion: I don't even have it anymore... afaik it was designed to allow for such things though, and like I said, it installed everything just fine... GTK widgets... but just a lot of blue everywhere...
[12:14] <Kamion> |trey|: it was indeed designed for it, but there's a long way to go
[12:14] <|trey|> Kamion: it might have been that long ago... also note, I am using X86, the easiest arch to get things working on it would seem...
[12:14] <Kamion> anyhow, with any luck I can get a basic demo running within a few weeks, once I get round the hideous library reduction issues
[12:14] <Kamion> |trey|: it hasn't worked on any architecture for some time
[12:15] <Kamion> |trey|: I'm developing on powerpc, but most of the issues are architecture-independent
[12:15] <|trey|> Kamion: ok... when you get it working... you got tester #2 here  :)
[12:16] <Kamion> |trey|: in any case, Mark is thinking about something good enough for production, not a hacked-up demo. :)
[12:16] <Mithrandir> Kamion: that's the scary part of it. :)
[12:16] <Kamion> the code has to happen at some point, so the sooner the better
[12:17] <|trey|> Kamion: I suppose... I am used to Experimental + Sid... I am used to things breaking/not working 100% as they should...
[12:17] <|trey|> Never really considered a business around Linux... been using it since before corporations got a hold of it  :(
[12:18] <Kamion> cdebconf-gtk mostly just segfaulted when I started to look at it a few days ago ;)
[12:18] <Kosai> Kamion: Ooh, which reminds me; any idea which d-i variant would be best for an alpha install?
[12:19] <|trey|> Kosai: prolly the netinst alpha port on d-i's site...
[12:19] <|trey|> Kosai: prolly not something Ubuntu will be looking at right now  :)
[12:19] <Kosai> |trey|: Sounds good to me.  Thanks.
[12:19] <Kosai> Right, I'm aware there's no ubuntu alpha port.  I'd be using it if there was.  :)
[12:19] <vrln> ubuntu devels: can you confirm/deny if development branches are going to be security supported (like in slackware for example)? It would be a great alternative to running debian sid or gentoo for those who don't mind risking stability :)
[12:20] <|trey|> Kosai: ;)
[12:20] <Kamion> Kosai: right now probably daily build
[12:20] <|trey|> vrln: like I said, development branches get the security fixes IN THE PACKAGES
[12:20] <Kamion> (sid_d-i)
[12:21] <Kosai> Kamion: Oh, sid rather than sarge?  Okay.
[12:21] <|trey|> Kosai: Sid rocks... install apt-listbugs though asap  :)
[12:21] <Kamion> Kosai: RC1 might work as long as you use netinst rather than businesscard
[12:21] <Kamion> Kosai: that's sarge
[12:22] <Kosai> Oh!  Right.
[12:22] <Kamion> RC1 businesscard is either broken already due to archive drift or will be broken RSN
[12:22] <|trey|> Kamion: thats what I have burnt here... cept for x86... works like a charm... apparently d-i is kinda a mess since then though  :/
[12:22] <Kamion> |trey|: there's been quite a lot of partman churn, but it's settling down for release now
[12:22] <vrln> |trey|: yes I understand that, but for example if there is a new exploit in libpng for example and there would be a new release that fixes the exploits, would it be uploaded to warty and the development branch with the same speed priority
[12:22] <Mithrandir> mdz: perhaps you can answer vrln's question about security?
[12:23] <vrln> or will development branch security be mostly unsupported like in sid atm (luckily package versions move quickly so it doesn't really matter that much)
[12:23] <mdz> vrln: when it comes to security, the stable release will have top priority
[12:24] <mdz> but we will also generally fix the bug in the development branch
[12:24] <vrln> ok, thank you, sounds good enough :)
[12:24] <|trey|> vrln: afa Debian is concerned the security and devel stuff are usually uploaded almost simultaniously  :/
[12:25] <jimmy_dean> is there a way that I can get the ubuntu installation to load on an older computer that doesn't support booting from a CDROM?
[12:25] <|trey|> incoming is usually more delayed on stable though  :/
[12:25] <mdz> |trey|: in Debian, unstable receives no central attention for security.  if the maintainer acts quickly, it is fixed quickly, and if they do not, it can languish for a year
[12:26] <|trey|> mdz: the packages already contain the fix's  :/
[12:26] <mdz> sometimes unstable is fixed first, and sometimes stable is fixed first, but rarely are they in sync with respect to a vulnerability
[12:27] <|trey|> mdz: true... ime... sid was usually less vulnerable though  *shrug*
[12:27] <mdz> jimmy_dean: you might be able to create a GRUB floppy and use that to boot from CD
[12:27] <jimmy_dean> mdz: ok...so I actually already have one...any idea how I do that then?
[12:28] <mdz> jimmy_dean: I believe that recent versions of grub let you say "boot (cd)"
[12:28] <jimmy_dean> mdz: ok, nice
[12:28] <axe9dotcom> What's a good linux distro for OLD machines.. like ones with 16MBs RAM?
[12:28] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: any, just don't plan on utilizing X  :/
[12:29] <mdz> jimmy_dean: I'm very interested to hear if it works; I've never tried it
[12:29] <jimmy_dean> mdz: ok...not only is this an old computer...but an old laptop :)
[12:29] <jimmy_dean> it'll be really interesting if it works at all
[12:31] <axe9dotcom> X?
[12:33] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: you've got to be kidding?
[12:33] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: the GUI Linux uses  :/
[12:36] <Kosai> Well, there's QNX and Photon and that sort of thing.  Even has a web browser, IIRC.
[12:36] <axe9dotcom> Ah
[12:37] <axe9dotcom>  told you, I'm a total newbie when it comes to linux
[12:38] <axe9dotcom> :P
[12:38] <axe9dotcom> ARGH!
[12:38] <axe9dotcom> I got distracted again >_>
[12:39] <edd> mdz: do you still have a livecd .iso avail? doesn't matter if it's old...
[12:43] <MoisesC> hi there
[12:45] <WW> axe9dotcom: A few small distros: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ , http://featherlinux.berlios.de/ , http://tiny.seul.org/
[12:46] <ElRaton> how can i install audio and video various codecs fast please ?
[12:52] <mdz> edd: yes, http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/warty-live/
[12:53] <edd> thanks mdz. i found from m/list searching. sorry to bother you.
[12:58] <LinuxJones> ElRaton, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions you need the win32-codecs package
[01:00] <ElRaton> LinuxJones, thx
[01:00] <dieman> heh
[01:00] <dieman> on /. again
[01:01] <ElRaton> totem-xine is not available!
[01:04] <dieman> Sep 27 18:03:57 domitian.cs.umn.edu thttpd[19673] : [ID 333422 daemon.info]    thttpd - 272 connections (0.0755556/sec), 77 max simultaneous, 762755637 bytes (211877/sec), 205 httpd_conns allocated
[01:04] <dieman> hmm
[01:05] <dieman> thats not too bad
[01:05] <dieman> see how long until it pops
[01:09] <LinuxJones> ElRaton, totem-xine is available
[01:09] <zack> clee: ubuntu review hit slashdot... i just had to reply to this comment: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123410&cid=10367599
[01:09] <zack> ;)
[01:10] <minghua> i don't like that review
[01:10] <LinuxJones> OSnews has a review up as well >> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=1
[01:10] <minghua> it seems all screenshots are from vmware and look ugly
[01:10] <zack> me either... looked like it took 5 minutes
[01:11] <minghua> and it seems the author didn't even find synaptic
[01:11] <zack> synaptic is mentioned
[01:11] <jimmy_dean> mdz: negatory on the grub and loading the install CD...I think it's possible but this old laptop is just useless
[01:12] <mdz> jimmy_dean: what options does it have for booting? floppy? usb?
[01:13] <jimmy_dean> mdz: it was hard to tell from the command line...basically it needs to detect the device and then you can specify something like /dev/blah
[01:13] <edd> i love these reviews. they're always for exactly one (often weird) hardware combo
[01:14] <zack> it's pretty rare to see reviewers actually install on >1 machine :\
[01:14] <minghua> zack: ok I see the synaptic paragraph, but why does the author still complain that new users unfamiliar with APT won't install software easily?  they don't need to know what APT is at all
[01:15] <mdz> jimmy_dean: you should be able to press 'c' to get a command line (if it's at the menu) and then "boot (cd)" at the grub> prompt
[01:15] <jimmy_dean> mdz: really, hmm
[01:15] <edd> [[ Michael Salivar is a 22 year old student of Earth from Arizona with images of carbon fiber laptops dancing in his head. He is a recovering Linux newbie of two years who has forsaken life's complexities in favor of our planet's beauty. ] ]
[01:15] <mdz> jimmy_dean: if that doesn't work, does the machine have USB, or a floppy drive, or anything else that might be useful to boot it?
[01:16] <jimmy_dean> mdz: this is a really old machine...no USB
[01:16] <jimmy_dean> mdz: I literally type "boot (cd)" ?
[01:16] <mdz> jimmy_dean: correct
[01:16] <zack> minghua: don't know. i don't really use synaptic anyway... i've had bad luck.
[01:16] <mdz> (cd) is a grub device specification
[01:16] <jimmy_dean> ok, cool
[01:17] <minghua> zack: i don't use synaptic either. :)
[01:17] <mdz> minghua: synaptic is great, but the UI is complex for simple tasks like installing a package, if you're not familiar with packaging systems
[01:17] <Mithrandir> mdz: synaptic feels cluttered, IMHO
[01:17] <jimmy_dean> mdz: ok, it wants me to specify a kernel to load first
[01:17] <mdz> jimmy_dean: ok, one moment
[01:17] <dieman> on /. again...
[01:17] <Mithrandir> I can't really tell why, but I really don't like synaptic
[01:18] <mdz> jimmy_dean: will you write up a howto for the wiki if this works? :-)
[01:18] <jimmy_dean> mdz: for the Ubuntu wiki?
[01:18] <mdz> jimmy_dean: yes
[01:18] <zack> it'd be cool to have a simpler synaptic... one that tried to work on the "product" level rather than with the minutiae of packages
[01:18] <LinuxJones> Mithrandir, I find it is easier to just use apt from the command line than run synaptic....it's faster and simpler
[01:18] <jimmy_dean> sure, I like writing...I might even do a simple article for the next GNOME Journal then
[01:18] <minghua> mdz: is there a better UI package installer?  I've seen the redhat one on fedora, I don't think it's better than aptitude
[01:18] <minghua> i don't use synaptic at all
[01:19] <mdz> jimmy_dean: grub> kernel (cd)/install/vmlinuz DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/install/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 root=/dev/rd/0 init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --
[01:19] <zack> minghua: the redhat one?
[01:19] <Mithrandir> zack: that's a Hoary goal.
[01:19] <zack> Mithrandir: sweet :)
[01:19] <almostlucky> are all of the packages not on the mirrors?
[01:19] <minghua> zack: the one on fedora core 2
[01:19] <jimmy_dean> mdz: where did you get that from?
[01:19] <mdz> jimmy_dean: grub> initrd (cd)/install/initrd.gz
[01:19] <zack> minghua: riiiight... i know of no such thing
[01:19] <mdz> jimmy_dean: boot
[01:19] <minghua> i find aptitude very good
[01:19] <almostlucky> I am prompted to put the cd in when I install some packages
[01:19] <whiprush> red carpet is pretty good.
[01:19] <zack> i use aptitude almost exclusively
[01:20] <mdz> jimmy_dean: combining the grub CD syntax with the parameters passed by the installer when booted from the CD
[01:20] <jimmy_dean> ah ok!
[01:20] <minghua> i am wondering is it possible to write a gtk frontend for aptitude?
[01:20] <jimmy_dean> nice work
[01:20] <theantix> almostlucky, you should remove the reference to the CD in your repository if you don't have the CD on hand
[01:20] <jimmy_dean> mdz: by the way, (insert plug for GNOME Journal)...have you read GNOME Journal?
[01:21] <mdz> jimmy_dean: no, I have not. URL?
[01:21] <jimmy_dean> www.gnomejournal.org
[01:21] <mdz> jimmy_dean: did the boot work?
[01:21] <jimmy_dean> I will try in a minute
[01:21] <almostlucky> theantix, I do have the CD, I was just curious
[01:22] <jimmy_dean> mdz: if this works, it's useful for any linux distro install on old hardware
[01:22] <mdz> jimmy_dean: indeed, but since several Ubuntu users have asked about this situation, and the instructions need to be tailored for the distribution, an ubuntu-specific howto would be great
[01:23] <jimmy_dean> mdz: yeah, if I get it going I definitely will
[01:38] <chutwig> countdown to extremetech getting slashdotted
[01:38] <LinuxJones> heh
[01:39] <chutwig> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/8/0,1311,sz=1&i=80719,00.gif
[01:39] <chutwig> nice screenshot, guys
[01:39] <chutwig> who needs more than 256 colors anyway
[01:40] <chutwig> it reminds me of looking at old irix screenshots
[01:41] <dommi> !seen matthias
[01:41] <dommi> hrm...
[01:52] <axe9dotcom> wooo
[01:56] <jono> hi all
[02:09] <bdale> fwiw, swapping hard disks in my amd64 box seems to have cured the GRUB hang.  though why ubuntu+grub doesn't like that particular 80G maxtor is beyond me.
[02:19] <LinuxJones> It is so quite in here this evening.
[02:19] <jono> heya LinuxJones
[02:19] <LinuxJones> Hi jono
[02:20] <chutwig> i'm upgrading my SQL knowledge to postgresql from mysql
[02:20] <chutwig> because everyone made fun of me ;_;
[02:21] <jono> is it hard to migrate a mysql database over to postgres?
[02:22] <bdale> install on amd64 is confused, it allowed me to identify my gigE interface as primary during the install, but it's eth1 after reboot yet /etc/network/interfaces only knows about eth0 ...
[02:24] <bdale> hrm.  nope, it's not eth1, that's something else.  looks like the real problem may be that the gigE module didn't get loaded.
[02:26] <chutwig> jono: there's no direct method to convert the tables
[02:26] <jono> damn
[02:26] <chutwig> googling turns up a ton of migration scripts and stuff like that
[02:26] <jono> my dist-upgrade is taking a while
[02:26] <jono> mind you, 200 meg to get :)
[02:27] <chutwig> http://wiki.bestpractical.com/index.cgi?MySQLToPg
[02:28] <bdale> yep, a modprobe of sk98lin and an ifup eth0 cured it.  I presume that means the pci id for the 3c940 on this motherboard isn't in the discover tables...
[02:34] <tonita> tried to install ubuntu but first stage after reboot is having trouble..are servers busy?..its saying its geting a error trying to install software albeit its not giving me the exact error...????
[02:34] <jimmy_dean> mdz: I'm getting "Error 23: Error while parsing number"
[02:34] <jimmy_dean> mdz: from grub
[02:46] <tonita> anyone alive ?LOL
[02:47] <LinuxJones> tonita, yes barely :D
[02:48] <tonita> heh
[02:48] <tonita> :(
[02:48] <Zibby> Hopefully a quickie...I just finished part one of the install and the machine rebooted...but grub didn't work (error 18)...is there a rescue type boot option on the CD? I'm assuming the help for this is under the F7 option...and my F7 key doesn't work. ;-)
[02:48] <tonita> can't install ubuntu ;(
[02:48] <tonita> server problems ?
[02:50] <jdub> tonita: your install shouldn't have anything to do with server problems
[02:50] <jdub> Zibby: can you press escape as grub's loading?
[02:51] <Zibby> no...it goes to fast. Actually Error 18...
[02:53] <LinuxJones> Zibby,  >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=8&threadid=228730
[02:54] <tonita> jdub, any idea why its failing then
[02:57] <jsubl2> anyone know if the ati igp 3d driver is in ubuntu
[02:58] <Zibby> it's a scsi drive...heh.
[02:59] <jdub> tonita: not sure, you need to tell me what's happening :)
[03:00] <LinuxJones> jsubl2 , >> is that a Radeon based card ?
[03:00] <crimsun> jsubl2: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:00] <tonita> jdub, well I run base-conifg..configure apt...that works..then it trys to install software apparatnly but exits saying it can't and to run aptitutde...
[03:00] <jsubl2> thanks LinuxJones and crimsun
[03:00] <theantix> I just had the same problem tonita had, fwiw
[03:01] <tonita> theantix, hmm ic :(
[03:01] <tonita> theantix, ok thx for letting me know it aint just me then..
[03:01] <jsubl2> LinuxJones, it is the chipset used in laptops
[03:02] <jsubl2> Not sure if ati drivers support is yet.  looking
[03:02] <crimsun> Zibby: agreed.
[03:02] <crimsun> i have the thick lead pipes.
[03:03] <LinuxJones> jsubl2, it says on the ati sight that it is fully software supportable with radeon graphics cards so it should work
[03:03] <jsubl2> ok thanks
[03:04] <axe9dotcom> Aight!
[03:05] <axe9dotcom> now to get my printer working so I can actually print out my essay!
[03:05] <axe9dotcom> Anybody?
[03:05] <Zibby> axe9dotcom: http://localhost:631
[03:06] <LinuxJones> axe9dotcom, you can configure your printer using the webbrowser http://localhost:631 then login as root
[03:06] <beboop> Newbie question if someone has time
[03:06] <Zibby> beboop: ask not to ask, just ask.
[03:06] <theantix> why are you suggesting the web CUPS interface instead of the one in Gnome that is just as functional and much simpler?
[03:07] <Zibby> beboop: asking to ask a question using up your quota of one question per newbie :p
[03:07] <beboop> OK....I just installed Ubuntu and get get a prompt to login but, something is wrong
[03:07] <LinuxJones> theantix, force fo habit I guess
[03:07] <beboop> I use my user name and PW but, get nothing
[03:08] <Zibby> beboop: nothing as your kicked back to the loging prompt nothing or nothing as in login goes away but it's not doing anything nothing?
[03:09] <beboop> I get the username@ubuntu prompt....and a $ sign
[03:09] <beboop> I can't sign on as root because upon install I don't get to
[03:09] <axe9dotcom> what's my CUPS username and pw?
[03:09] <Zibby> antispinward
[03:10] <Zibby> whoops...this isn't the vmware window...
[03:10] <Zibby> axe9dotcom: root
[03:10] <axe9dotcom> k
[03:10] <Zibby> beboop: sounds like you're just getting a text console...so things are working....
[03:11] <axe9dotcom> nope
[03:11] <theantix> axe9dotcom, there is a perfectly good Gnome interface to the printer at computer->system configuration->printing
[03:11] <axe9dotcom> didn't work
[03:11] <beboop> right that is true but, I can't get past it!
[03:11] <axe9dotcom> I know
[03:11] <axe9dotcom> but I can't find Drivers for my priner
[03:11] <Zibby> beboop: you don't get past the console...you use it! :D
[03:11] <axe9dotcom> it's an
[03:11] <Zibby> beboop: try ctrl+f7
[03:12] <beboop> Zibby..what can I do to get past this?
[03:12] <axe9dotcom> HP psc 1350xi All In One
[03:12] <beboop> There is no GUI login screen I take it
[03:12] <Zibby> beboop: I'm not sure...did you finish the 2nd stage of the install yet?
[03:13] <beboop> Zibby...yes
[03:13] <theantix> axe9dotcom, try a search on linuxprinting.org or google to see if they can suggest an alternate driver for your printer
[03:13] <Zibby> ok, for its and giggles, type startx ;)
[03:13] <theantix> beboop, did it give you a bunch of errors on install and put you into a program called "aptitude" ?
[03:13] <beboop> Zibby I am on my XP box right now :(
[03:14] <beboop> theantix....it did but, it "stalled" at 95% of download and said I could do it later
[03:14] <LinuxJones> night all ... sleepy time
[03:15] <beboop> theantix....I didn't get any errors though
[03:15] <joem> there a simple way to filter out html email with evolution, or is that going to be an eplugin sort of task?
[03:15] <beboop> Zibby what does the command "startx" do?
[03:16] <Zibby> beboop: assuming your xserver is configured, it will start the gui.
[03:16] <Zibby> if it isn't configured, it will give you useful error messages (if you know how to interpert them anyway.)
[03:16] <beboop> Zibby I see.....so type this in when exactly? Being as I cannot login for some reason
[03:16] <axe9dotcom> The only #xi printer theu have listed are the 750xi and the 950xi
[03:17] <theantix> axe9dotcom, if you have an unsupported printer you'll have to try a couple to see what works best (if any)
[03:17] <Zibby> beboop: you said you get something like beboop@ubuntu$ type prompt after entering your username & password?
[03:18] <beboop> Zibby yes I do and I am hung up at that point not knowing what command I am to type
[03:18] <Zibby> beboop: that is logged in my friend. :)
[03:19] <Zibby> welcome to the ever so friendly and infintly useful linux command line.
[03:19] <beboop> Zibby.....right but, what do I do to get to the GUI after that?
[03:20] <Zibby> beboop: to me, it sounds like what happened is either a> your xserver didn't get configured properly by the installer or b> the xserver didn't get installed at all.
[03:20] <beboop> Zibby ....command lines...ah yes....this is abit new to me although I have used Mandrake and ArkLinux before
[03:20] <beboop> Zibby...any suggestions...be kind now :)
[03:21] <Zibby> beboop: so try startx...if you get a gui, you're just missing the display manger, so apt-get install gdm should fix that. If you get an error message, dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (Ubuntu people jump in here if Ubuntu has a better way, all I know is debian right now!). If that doesn't work, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 gdm
[03:23] <beboop> Zibby.....well, I'll reboot and give it a go ( picture Popeye going forth fearlessly )
[03:24] <Zibby> beboop: get a beer or two in you, it'll help. Really ;-)
[03:24] <beboop> Zibby..I have also had a problem with EVERY install of ANY Linux distro
[03:24] <beboop> Zibby my monitor settings
[03:24] <beboop> I have an NEC 22" FP 1375x
[03:24] <Zibby> flat panel?
[03:25] <beboop> Every version of Linux is off to the right on my screen by a half inch or so
[03:25] <beboop> I have to manually go reset it each time I reboot to XP
[03:25] <beboop> is there any fix for this?
[03:26] <beboop> This happened with my nVidia card and now my ATI 9600 AIW card too
[03:26] <beboop> nobody has been able to answer this
[03:26] <sladen> beboop: is it something to do with refresh rates?
[03:26] <beboop> Zibby........CRT flat screen
[03:26] <Zibby> probally is...should just be a matter of getting the refresh rates and resoultions set properly.
[03:27] <Zibby> beboop: I don't see any reason to get into that problem if you don't have your gui working anyway...one thing at a time ;)
[03:27] <beboop> Zibby....well I can do that OK but EVERY distro ( Mandrake, ArkLinux, PHLAK, Slax, ) does this
[03:27] <mdz> jimmy_dean: hmm
[03:27] <beboop> Yes, you are right...but, still, it annoys me
[03:28] <Zibby> blame NEC
[03:28] <jimmy_dean> mdz: any idea what grub might mean by that?  it's a very vague error
[03:28] <Zibby> :)
[03:28] <jimmy_dean> mdz: I tried taking certain options out, putting things in quotes, etc
[03:28] <jimmy_dean> nothing changed
[03:28] <mdz> jimmy_dean: according to the documentation, it means that grub's parser was expecting a number and found something else
[03:28] <mdz> which implies the problem was with the command, rather than with the boot process
[03:28] <jimmy_dean> mdz: ok, yeah
[03:29] <Zibby> beboop: also, try running apt-get dselect-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade...that might finish installing packages that didn't install for whatever reason.
[03:29] <beboop> NEC.....maybe....I thought it might be drivers and actually went through the hassle of updating the old nVidia card driver to no avail
[03:29] <beboop> Zibby...thanks so much...hopefully I'll be back here via Ubuntu within a few minutes!
[03:29] <Zibby> beboop: odds are linux is configuring a different refresh than Windows is...shouldn't be hard to fix once the gui is actually working
[03:30] <jimmy_dean> mdz: any suggestion come to mind?
[03:30] <beboop> Zibby..again thanks....got a Henieken in front of me now! ;-)
[03:30] <mdz> jimmy_dean: the documentation seems to imply that (cd) might only work if grub itself is booted from a CD-ROM
[03:30] <Zibby> beboop: maybe when you come back I'll have my Ubuntu install finished :p
[03:30] <mdz> jimmy_dean: which means it is much less useful than I had thought
[03:30] <mdz> but is understandable
[03:30] <jimmy_dean> mdz: hmm, yeah
[03:31] <jimmy_dean> mdz: but when I did just type boot (cd) it didn't complain about (cd)
[03:31] <jimmy_dean> it complained about needing a kernel loaded first
[03:31] <beboop> Zibby.....and away I go...........
[03:31] <mdz> jimmy_dean: does it give the error when you give the boot command?
[03:31] <mdz> jimmy_dean: or when you give the kernel command?
[03:31] <jimmy_dean> mdz: yeah, I gave you the kernel command error above
[03:31] <jimmy_dean> mdz: and boot command, one sec...
[03:31] <Zibby> axe9dotcom: did you figure out your printer?
[03:32] <mdz> if it gave the error immediately when you issued the kernel command, that's discouraging
[03:32] <jimmy_dean> mdz: Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting
[03:32] <jimmy_dean> mdz: yes it did, without trying anything it appears too
[03:32] <jimmy_dean> it immediately returned
[03:33] <Zibby> axe9dotcom: if not, look up your printer at http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi The thing about those all in one printers is that they are netorious for requiring host software to function at all, and of course there is only host software for windows. Kinda like WinModems. Some of them do work.
[03:33] <mdz> jimmy_dean: http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~bernhard/grub-chain-cd.html
[03:34] <mdz> jimmy_dean: that page seems promising
[03:34] <jimmy_dean> ok, let me take a look
[03:34] <Zibby> axe9dotcom: lot of HP models share the same print engine too, so the driver you need might not be named the same as your model number.
[03:35] <mdz> jimmy_dean: specifically the part about SBM
[03:35] <Zibby> ffs, Ubuntu and VMWare don't mix. Grub Error 18 again
[03:35] <mdz> jimmy_dean: if you can create an SBM boot floppy, that might let you boot the CD (no grub involved)
[03:35] <jimmy_dean> mdz: yeah, that might work...though I have something similar to it...and it didn't detect the CD drive
[03:35] <jimmy_dean> mdz: but I'll give this one a try too
[03:35] <mdz> hmm
[03:36] <mdz> jimmy_dean: just how old is this laptop?  the CD-ROM is ATAPI, right?
[03:36] <mdz> if it isn't, I don't think there's much hope
[03:36] <jimmy_dean> mdz: no idea...this laptop is very old...P90 Toshiba
[03:36] <sn0wman> Why is gpdf not included with ubuntu, nor is it available from the ubuntu deb server?
[03:36] <jimmy_dean> mdz: basically trying this for kicks
[03:36] <mdz> sn0wman: FAQ
[03:37] <jimmy_dean> mdz: but I almost got the normal Debian Sarge installer to work with the CDROM, so it is possible
[03:37] <mdz> jimmy_dean: oh? how?
[03:37] <jimmy_dean> mdz: I just couldn't get it to get the network card going
[03:37] <dan_a> hey guys
[03:37] <jimmy_dean> mdz: it auto detected it
[03:37] <dan_a> someone is using my nick "dalderman" :-(
[03:37] <jimmy_dean> mdz: but RedHat 7 worked with this PCMCIA network card, so I know it's possible
[03:37] <mdz> jimmy_dean: you made a debian sarge CD, and it booted in that drive?  I thought you said it didn't support booting from CD-ROM
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> mdz: no, I used a boot floppy
[03:38] <dan_a> anyone here tried to recompile a kernel yet?
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> mdz: for debian
[03:38] <mdz> jimmy_dean: ahh, ok
[03:38] <mdz> jimmy_dean: so you couldn't boot from it, but it could see the cd-rom from the installer
[03:38] <jimmy_dean> mdz: yes, exactly
[03:39] <dan_a> I was wondering if the hal patches to the kernel were Ubuntu specific
[03:39] <dan_a> specifically the drop_privelages() function
[03:40] <dan_a> I posted to the user list a couple of days back regarding kernel building and this problem but nobody answered
[03:41] <dan_a> so I thought I'd try in here again... poke poke :-)
[03:42] <dan_a> no?
[03:43] <ultrafunk> dan_a: i have, and came up with the whole 'dropping capabilities' warning in hald
[03:43] <dan_a> ultrafunk, ahhhh ok, cool, so it's not just me then :-)
[03:44] <ultrafunk> dan_a: I don't use Firewire though (which was the device it complained about), so I safely ignored it
[03:44] <dan_a> ultrafunk, reproducable generally means it's fixable :-)
[03:44] <WW> mount tells me that my partition type is unknown, when it should be reiserfs.  Should I be worried?
[03:44] <dan_a> ultrafunk, I didn't get a device specific error, but that was just on the console, I will check syslog
[03:45] <dan_a> ultrafunk, are you a kernel person for Ubuntu?
[03:45] <Zibby> mount -t riserfs /mountpoint /device?
[03:45] <ultrafunk> dan_a: i'd hazard a guess it is -- I just made a new kernel package, with some ACPI updates, and that was the only error it had
[03:46] <ultrafunk> dan_a: no, but if you filed a bug about it, i'd be happy to 'me too' it for you :)
[03:46] <dan_a> ultrafunk, I was patching to get my alps touchpad working, but it broke my framebuffer and I got the hal error
[03:46] <WW> Zibby: It's my root partition: /dev/hda2 on / type unknown (rw)
[03:46] <dan_a> ultrafunk, I filed a bug already as I hadn't got a response, just wanted to know if it was just me
[03:47] <Zibby> dan_a: are you building kernel.org source or from a source package that you got via apt?
[03:47] <dan_a> ultrafunk, I recompiled without doing anything to the kernel and still got the same error which makes me think there is an error in the linux-source package
[03:47] <dan_a> Zibby, linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:48] <dan_a> Zibby, deb
[03:48] <Zibby> WW: ah, and you're system is booted up and working? lsmod shows reiserfs? If so, you're probally ok.
[03:48] <Zibby> dan_a: if you're working with a debian source package it should have all the patches the Ubuntu folks applied to it...
[03:49] <dan_a> Zibby, that's what I thought, so why when I recompile using the config from /boot do I get different results?
[03:49] <Zibby> dan_a: you can always cp /boot/config-verions /kernel-src-path/.config and go form there :)
[03:49] <dan_a> Zibby, I did
[03:50] <WW> Zibby: lsmod | grep reis   returns
[03:50] <WW> reiserfs              240880  2
[03:50] <WW> Zibby: and as far as I can tell, my system is working.
[03:50] <Zibby> using the config from /boot works?
[03:50] <dan_a> Zibby, no, hal and framebuffer break
 Zibby, that's what I thought, so why when I recompile using the config from /boot do I get different results?
[03:50] <Zibby> WW: my guess is the version of mount doesn't recognize riserfs for some reason...but sounds like your ok.
[03:50] <ultrafunk> dan_a: in my case, I had to tear out some of the existing ACPI stuff to get the newer patches to work, but I wouldn't have thought that would have touched capabilities support at all (except that the network socket capability support is turned off in the Ubuntu kernel configuration by default)
[03:51] <dan_a> ultrafunk, my acpi is broken too, suspend doesn't work on my laptop, most annoying :-(
[03:51] <ultrafunk> dan_a: btw, did you build your own kernel, or use make-kpkg and build a replacement deb for it?
[03:51] <dan_a> ultrafunk, thom is looking at it for me
[03:52] <dan_a> ultrafunk, make-kpkg, the "Debian" way :-)
[03:53] <Zibby> yay for vmware...cdrom...use iso...no burning cds...heh
[03:54] <Zibby> ultrafunk: there are only a few debian developers that can
[03:54] <ultrafunk> dan_a: i'd be happy to send you the collection of patches I used to get ACPI going on various laptops around the office, if you'd like
[03:54] <dan_a> Zibby, qemu is cool too
[03:54] <dan_a> ultrafunk, I got a Tosh Sat Pro A10
[03:56] <dan_a> ultrafunk, are they anything like that?  It does suspend, but when it wakes up it shuts down gracefully
[03:57] <mdz> ultrafunk: I'd be interested in those patches if you're still having problems with the <IP_ADDRESS>-9 kernel (which inlcudes the latest stable ACPI patch)
[03:58] <ultrafunk> dan_a: have only got an A30-213 around here, which works correctly with the updated DSDT and the patches from kernel.org
[03:58] <dan_a> ultrafunk, I could give em a go yeah, can you post to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please
[03:59] <WW> Zibby: Thanks.
[04:00] <ultrafunk> mdz: I haven't booted a laptop with the -9 kernel, but i'll rediff them if they are still required and send them to you
[04:02] <dan_a> what's the difference between the packages linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 ?
[04:03] <Slackeerb> whiprush: are you around?
[04:04] <whiprush> yeah
[04:04] <Slackeerb> hey
[04:05] <Slackeerb> i just reinstalled ubuntu
[04:05] <Slackeerb> i need to install java again
[04:05] <Slackeerb> but i forgot how 2
[04:05] <Slackeerb> =P
[04:05] <whiprush> heh
[04:05] <Slackeerb> did you ever make that how 2?
[04:05] <whiprush> sort of
[04:05] <dommi> apt-get install java?
[04:05] <whiprush> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[04:05] <whiprush> last 2 lines.
[04:06] <whiprush> unsupported, ymmv, etc. etc.
[04:06] <Slackeerb> thx whiprush =) (again! lol...)
[04:07] <Slackeerb> whiprush: whats mono, and do you know any good p2p clients for gnome?
[04:08] <whiprush> mono is a .net implementation for linux.
[04:08] <whiprush> you can try azureus, it's a bittorrent client
[04:08] <Slackeerb> whiprush: I already got azreus. =P. I was thinking somethonmg more like kazaa.
[04:08] <whiprush> oh, dunno
[04:08] <dommi> you could use direct connect through wine
[04:09] <dommi> you could probably use a few p2p clients using wine
[04:09] <Slackeerb> Dommi: omg lol i forgot about wine
[04:09] <Slackeerb> dommi: thx =P
[04:09] <dommi> well there ya go
[04:10] <Kamion> dan_a: linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage that always depends on the current real kernel package
[04:12] <dan_a> Kamion, I thought so, is it correct that I can select linux-image-2.6-686 for installation in aptitude even though linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 is installed already?
[04:14] <dan_a> Kamion, I guess having linux-image-2.6-686 installed just ensures I am kept up to date
[04:15] <Kamion> dan_a: yep
[04:17] <Kosai> Bah, can't sleep.
[04:17] <dan_a> Kosai, you can join my club if you like :-)
[04:19] <dan_a> anyone know how I can make the buttons in evolution smaller, perhaps appear without the text?  I'm guessing a gconf settings somewhere?
[04:21] <dan_a> sorry, should have been more specific, I mean the buttons at the bottom of the side pane for the address book, mail etc
[04:29] <igster> evening all.  curious if anyone has tried wine on ubuntu and if they have had any success doing so.
[04:31] <tvon|x31> I'm running cxoffice without any problems...but thats somewhat simpler than wine alone :)
[04:34] <axe9dotcom> why is installing a printer so hard =_=
[04:35] <axe9dotcom> I need more RAM >.<
[04:50] <trub> Hello, would anyone be able to tell me the status of ubuntu on a 12" G4 Powerbook (rev C)
[04:51] <trub> I was wondering if there are any issues with sleep, sound, video, etc
[04:55] <whiprush> anyone try this updated utopia stack that was posted on the list?
[04:57] <joem> what list?
[04:57] <whiprush> ubuntu-devel
[04:59] <tvon|x31> whiprush: mhm...installed it, havent played with it
[05:00] <whiprush> hmmm, mine isn't mounting anything
[05:00] <whiprush> shows up in the kernel though
[05:02] <joem> I don't have ide support with ubuntu, so I can't test the new patch
[05:08] <theantix> is there a gui way to add a second user to be able to sudo?
[05:08] <tvon|x31> add them to the sudo group I believe
[05:08] <tvon|x31> er, no
[05:09] <tvon|x31> I don't know...but there should be a default sudo group in /etc/sudoers
[05:09] <kuroishi> damn ubuntu is nice =D
[05:09] <tvon|x31> There isnt but should be
[05:09] <theantix> is there in yours?  mind doesn't have one
[05:09] <kuroishi> just installed it.
[05:09] <kuroishi> hmm, no XMMS on the default repository?
[05:10] <theantix> tvon|x31, yeah... it seems like there *should* be, call it wheel or sudo group or whatever... should be some way to do that
[05:10] <theantix> kuroishi, it's in the universe repository, works fine
[05:10] <tvon|x31> theantix: should file a bi
[05:10] <tvon|x31> theantix: er, bug
[05:10] <theantix> good idea, will do that now
[05:11] <kuroishi> universe eh?
[05:11] <kuroishi> is that in the default sources.list?
[05:11] <kuroishi> found it
[05:13] <kuroishi> damn ubuntu is awesome =D
[05:13] <theantix> kuroishi, indeed :-)
[05:13] <kuroishi> love how firefox is the default browser, i've been waiting for an OS with that ;D
[05:14] <theantix> well you're going to be really happy then, because FC3 and I think Novell's new distro will do that too
[05:15] <whiprush> theantix: computer->system config->users and groups should work.
[05:15] <defendguin> can 2 users be the owner of a folder?
[05:16] <theantix> whiprush, I can add someone to the group "sudo" from there, but they still aren't in the sudoers file
[05:16] <whiprush> o hoh
[05:17] <whiprush> I see what you mean
[05:17] <theantix> if the group %sudo was in sudoers, it would be okay
[05:17] <stub> defendguin: no - you need to use a group if two users need to share access to the same directory
[05:18] <defendguin> hmm ok
[05:18] <defendguin> i use chown groupname /path/to/dir  ?
[05:22] <aitrus> what pacakge does sound juicer need for mp3 support?
[05:22] <tvon|x31> something related to 'lame'
[05:22] <joem> gstreamer lame plugin
[05:23] <aitrus> ahh yes... gstreamer is everything anymore... =)
[05:23] <aitrus> thank you
[05:24] <aitrus> does anyone have any idea why i don't have sound in firefox (flash apps)?
[05:27] <thursday> has anyone built the ati drivers?
[05:28] <mdz> thursday: they're included by default
[05:28] <thursday> mdz, how would i enable them? or by included do you mean it's in the apt repository and i need to apt-get them...
[05:29] <mdz> thursday: the kernel module is installed by default, and the X driver is available via apt
[05:29] <mdz> thursday: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:30] <joem> mdz, do the new kernel images released have any sort of ide changes?
[05:30] <mdz> joem: not specifically, no. are you having a problem?
[05:32] <joem> yea, can't seem to get ide working over here
[05:32] <mdz> joem: what was the last kernel where it worked?
[05:33] <mdz> joem: and what is the error message you see?
[05:33] <joem> tried different combinations of modules/boot options..get nothing
[05:33] <joem> mdz, hold on, I'll get the bug#
[05:33] <joem> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1440
[05:33] <thursday> also my console seems to be out of sync, the spacing is just off and it's hardly legible. anyone had a similar problem? (i'm using gnome-terminal btw and TERM is set to xterm)
[05:34] <mdz> joem: I see, so this is a problem with the install CD?
[05:35] <joem> well, I have the same problems after install is complete
[05:35] <mdz> joem: the new kernel has not propagated onto the install CDs yet
[05:35] <joem> I have an sata drive..so I could still install via net install
[05:35] <joem> but the ide cdroms don't work
[05:36] <joem> there was a boot message related to some of the ide modules I tried to load, last comment on the bug
[05:37] <defendguin> what's the latest kernel?
[05:37] <mdz> joem: what is the error message that you see when it fails?
[05:37] <mdz> defendguin: <IP_ADDRESS>-9
[05:37] <defendguin> ok
[05:38] <joem> de0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free.
[05:38] <joem> 10:36 < joem> Sep 23 07:29:30 localhost kernel: ide0: ports already in use,
[05:38] <joem> skipping probe
[05:38] <mdz> joem: I mean in the installer
[05:38] <defendguin> oh btw the ubuntu is the ugliest boot i have ever seen :(
[05:38] <fabbione> morning
[05:38] <joem> oh, says it can't find common cd rom drive
[05:38] <aitrus> defendguin: guess you haven't seen many different distros
[05:38] <joem> odd thing though, ide stuff works fine only on the live cd
[05:38] <mdz> joem: there are two different dialogs which contain the text "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
[05:39] <defendguin> aitrus, even the non graphical rh boot is better
[05:39] <mdz> joem: one asks if you want to load drivers from a floppy, and the other offers to let you select a cd-rom driver. which one did you see?
[05:39] <defendguin> although a graphical boot would be nice
[05:39] <mdz> defendguin: hoary
[05:39] <joem> mdz, list
[05:39] <defendguin> well so long as its planned
[05:40] <joem> though I thought there was an option for both, but would that have been expert mode only?
[05:40] <mdz> defendguin: for future reference, the list of proposed hoary feature goals is in the wiki, page HoaryHedgehog
[05:41] <defendguin> mdz, are you guys getting any subscriptions for service yet?
[05:41] <mdz> joem: please attach the complete dmesg output to the bug
[05:41] <joem> sure
[05:42] <mdz> joem: when you boot the installed system, do you get the same problem or a different one?
[05:42] <mdz> food, back later
[05:42] <joem> mdz, same issue
[05:43] <joem> far as I can tell anyways
[05:43] <hazmat> any ppc users around? i'm curious if ubuntu can coexist/dual boot with osx?
[05:44] <defendguin> im not used to this debian kernel naming syntax
[05:44] <hazmat> i've got a powerbook with an osx  / gentoo dual boot and like to switch it but the default docs and what little i've read (lilo/grub boot loaders, partitioning choices) make me nervous about trying without getting some confirmation.
[05:44] <defendguin> do i need the linux-686 package or the linux-image-686
[05:44] <defendguin> both? would i need the restricted modules?
[05:45] <subterrific> defendguin: image is the compiled binary image
[05:45] <subterrific> defendguin: you only need the restricted modules if you need support for that hardware
[05:45] <defendguin> ok so i just need the img
[05:51] <joem> mdz, added dmesg output to bug..hope it helps
[05:53] <defendguin> hmm i need some ubuntu stickers
[06:18] <WW> Do I have this right? The new metapackage linux-686 will keep me up to date with the kernel image and the restricted modules.  If so, nice.  Thanks.
[06:24] <toyowheelin> hey all
[06:26] <toyowheelin> is xchat 2.4.0 going to be added any time soon? or maybe it has and I just havent upgraded frequently enough
[06:35] <toyowheelin> anyone know how to setup what the default audio player should be?
[06:36] <theantix> toyowheelin, describe a bit more what you are trying to do, your question is a bit vague
[06:37] <toyowheelin> well I think I just figured it out...I just wanted to asociate .pls files to xmms
[06:38] <subterrific> toyowheelin: right click->properties->Open With
[06:38] <toyowheelin> oh and my other question was if/when there will be xchat 2.4.0
[06:39] <subterrific> toyowheelin: what a silly question
[06:39] <toyowheelin> :)
[06:39] <toyowheelin> naw not too silly
[06:41] <theantix> toyowheelin, it's not even in debian unstable... so don't hold your breath
[06:41] <toyowheelin> oh really
[06:41] <toyowheelin> humm
[06:41] <toyowheelin> interesting
[06:42] <toyowheelin> I got used to the tab completion
[08:53] <deFrysk> this Sphere Crystal Theme is really a beauty
[08:57] <jamesh> euler: I don't know.
[08:57] <jamesh> euler: if everything has been partitioned already, the instructions for adjusting the geometry with sfdisk might be worth a try.
[08:58] <euler> Yah, I am trying that right now.
[08:59] <euler> Woohoo, windows is booting...   My computer thinks it is 7:00 am.
[09:01] <theantix> euler, have you tried any of the utilities on the ultimate boot cd?  I've had luck with recovering windows partitions with it
[09:01] <euler> theantix: jamesh gave me a link to the issues with FC2.  That seems to have fixed my problem.
[09:01] <theantix> sorry, just saw that -- great :-)
[09:02] <jamesh> euler: it seems like it is a problem with any distro using Linux 2.6 and Parted.
[09:03] <euler> I must have messed some things up with my flailing around before though.  Every program that started up seemed to want to access my a: drive, and it somehow discovered some new hardware...  Oh well, I was about due for a re-install of windows anyway.
[09:04] <Treenaks> euler: at least you can make backups now..
[09:05] <euler> For a second there, I was hoping that I would get a new HD out of the deal :)
[09:07] <euler> Well, that was an adventure.
[09:07] <euler> Just out of curiosity, does universe have enlightenment?
[09:07] <Treenaks> euler: apt-cache search :)
[09:07] <euler> Gnome is just too heavy.
[09:08] <euler> Treenaks: I am in windows now :)
[09:08] <euler> Seriously though.  I am about to re-install ubuntu (know that I know how to fix my woes), but want to make sure that it is worth it.
[09:09] <poj> I can not install ubuntu..after reboot it say it will install extra things from internet but then it bails after some apt-get calls and says install of applications failed...is this known issue and if so what should I do ? ;-00
[09:09] <euler> poj: I was just having that issue.
[09:09] <subterrific> poj: do the install without the internet update
[09:09] <poj> euler, gnome is not too heavy if you have a fairly recent cpu
[09:10] <poj> subterrific, so that is the issue then the install internet update ?
[09:10] <jdub> nah, cpu is fine, it's the ram that hurts
[09:10] <jdub> as long as you have > 256MB ram, you're okay
[09:10] <euler> poj: I'm talking memory usage.  I have 512 MB, and 400+ is being used.  10 of the top 15 consumers are gnome related.
[09:10] <jdub> euler: that's okay
[09:10] <jdub> euler: if you add it up (correctly, this is hard), they're not using all that ram
[09:10] <subterrific> euler: thats probably all cache
[09:10] <plovs> pitti, I installed your Utopia-stuff, and it did not blow up my computer
[09:11] <euler> I was making the assumption that I was seeing that because of my drive geometry issue, but maybe that is incorrect.
[09:11] <jdub> euler: if you add it up incorrectly, they'd be using more ram that you have on the system :)
[09:11] <euler> subterrific: no, only about 1/3 of it was cache.
[09:11] <pitti> plovs: nice to hear! It blowed cd burning for mdz...
[09:11] <subterrific> euler: then you still have plenty of memory
[09:11] <plovs> pitti, ah, I haven't tried that yet, I'll try, if I suddenly dissapear ...
[09:12] <subterrific> as long as your machine isn't swapping out crazily, you're fine
[09:12] <pitti> plovs: didn't I write that the new nautilus-cd-burner slurps your hand into the CD drive? :-)
[09:12] <Treenaks> pitti: it does? cool!
[09:12] <plovs> pitti, aaagh, typing with one handdfgbsd dfasdfsaf
[09:13] <euler> I was about to make a fool of myself, so I will shut my mouth now...
[09:13] <poj> twice ram is typical right for swap?..just wondering because installer tried to setup 512k swap even though I have 1 gb ram ...? ;-)
[09:13] <pitti> plovs: Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Delete is not _that_ easy with just one hand, is it :-)
[09:13] <calc> pitti: it is on the right side of the keyboard
[09:13] <euler> poj: twice ram USED to be recommended, but these days, it isn't absolutely necessary.
[09:14] <calc> pitti: but no you can't do it accidentally
[09:14] <subterrific> poj: 2gigs of swap is insane. and i think you mean 512mb
[09:14] <euler> When you have a gig of ram, you very very rarely swap.
[09:15] <euler> and 1/2 ram is usually sufficeient to perform a memory dump with that much ram.
[09:15] <plovs> calc, in all those years I actually never noticed it *is* possible with the right hand ... so that is whet blind typing means
[09:15] <calc> heh
[09:15] <euler> I'm a glutton for punishment.
[09:15] <poj> subterrific, yes I meant 512mb
[09:16] <plovs> pitti, sorry to dissapoint you but it all worked flawlessly, no slurping, no nothing
[09:16] <pitti> plovs: damn, debian/patches/slurp_user.diff does not seem to work
[09:16] <pitti> plovs: nice to hear!
[09:16] <plovs> pitti, i put in empty cdrw, dropped stuff in it, and burned it
[09:16] <euler> jamesh: Thanks again for the pointer to that article...
[09:16] <pitti> plovs: what about USB devices?
[09:16] <poj> okay kewl so ubuntu's choice of swap is right on then...kewl ill leave it alone then thx
[09:17] <pitti> plovs: or putting in a CD?
[09:17] <jamesh> euler: no problem.
[09:17] <plovs> pitti, plugged it in ...
[09:18] <plovs> pitti, ???? it opens two windows sdb and sdb1 ???
[09:18] <pitti> plovs: but if sdb1 is a partition, sdb should not contain anything?
[09:18] <plovs> pitti, let me check the partition-table
[09:19] <plovs> pitti, I mught have messed that one up
[09:19] <euler> But that being said, I manage systems at work that have 12 Gig of swap.
[09:19] <Treenaks> euler: yikes
[09:20] <euler> I am a sysadmin on a supercomputer.  Full memory dumps are not uncommon.
[09:20] <Treenaks> ok, that's a point there..
[09:20] <euler> And we have 6-8 Gigs of ram in each node.
[09:20] <euler> (used to be 12...)
[09:21] <plovs> pitti, table looks ok ... /dev/sdb1               1        1015      255752   83  Linux
[09:21] <pitti> plovs: I will return to that later; just have to provide a quick fix for cd-burner
[09:21] <plovs> pitti, ok, two is better then zero ;-)
[09:22] <pitti> plovs: but the sdb window _is_ empty, yes?
[09:22] <plovs> pitti, yes, but I'll try to drop stuff in sdb1 and then see what happens
[09:22] <poj> http://www.gnomefiles.org/ < pretty nice site that I just found...anyway Ill leave you with that url to feast over heh...back to installer I go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[09:25] <plovs> pitti, hmm it looks hosed, I can drop in both drives, if i unplug without unmounting it doesn't write, sync is turned of or something
[09:25] <pitti> plovs: what does "mount" say? For the options?
[09:25] <plovs> pitti, /dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[09:26] <plovs> /dev/sdb on /media/sdb type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[09:26] <pitti> plovs: looks good
[09:26] <pitti> plovs: sdb should not be there
[09:26] <pitti> plovs: can you please look in the device manager? if sdb has block.is_volume and block.device?
[09:27] <plovs> pitti, and it doesn't sync straight away
[09:27] <pitti> plovs: but the mount flag is set; I cannot do anything other than that
[09:28] <plovs> sorry, but i seem to have misplaced my devicemanager, where is it supposed to be?
[09:28] <pitti> plovs: you need to install package hal-device-manager
[09:28] <pitti> plovs: it now has a package on its own
[09:28] <plovs> i can'r remember having replaced it though :(
[09:28] <pitti> plovs: no, the old hal package contained it
[09:29] <plovs> pitti, ok, it pulled it from your drive
[09:30] <plovs> pitti, block.is_volume is set to one one both ??? why?
[09:30] <pitti> plovs: damn new hal...
[09:30] <pitti> plovs: sdb should not be a volume
[09:31] <pitti> plovs: can you please mail me the full output of lshal<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:31] <plovs> pitti, it's good you do this for a living ... at last somebody to complain to :)
[09:31] <pitti> plovs: :-)
[09:32] <pitti> plovs: such regressions are the reason why I'm actually hesitant to upload new upstream versions
[09:32] <pitti> plovs: if I see something that tells apart sdb from sdb1, I can fix this
[09:32] <plovs> pitti, yes better one guineapig
[09:32] <plovs> how do you write that?
[09:32] <pitti> plovs: ?
[09:33] <pitti> plovs: what has this to do with guinea pigs?
[09:34] <plovs> it's an expression, they used them for testing medicine or something
[09:35] <plovs> so you test your packages on those who like to live on the bleeding edge, and so we bleed
[09:35] <plovs> whatever, I need coffee :)
[09:37] <euler> pitti: Its an american expression.
[09:41] <spikeb> howdy again folks
[09:41] <Treenaks> hi?
[09:42] <plovs> did anybody try to add search-engines to firefox, i can't
[09:42] <Treenaks> plovs: file a bug
[09:42] <spikeb> so what is this i heard earlier about the install cd possibly not working correctly?
[09:43] <Treenaks> spikeb: that could've been a temporary issue..
[09:43] <spikeb> ok
[09:43] <plovs> Treenaks, only if i didn't bork my machine, so if somebody else could try, i can file a bug if necessary
[09:44] <Treenaks> plovs: it doesn't work for me either...
[09:44] <plovs> Treenaks, ok, of to bugzilla
[09:49] <oscar_> hi!
[09:50] <lothario> hiya pals
[09:50] <spikeb> alrighty.
[10:02] <pitti> plovs: I looked at the lshal output; there seems to be absolutely nothing that tells sdb and sdb1 apart
[10:02] <pitti> plovs: IIRC you formerly did not have a partition on the stick, is that right?
[10:03] <pitti> plovs: so maybe it does not have a proper MBR, but still has a VFAT signature on the first block
[10:05] <tof-> hi
[10:06] <tof-> where can i find apt mirror list ?
[10:06] <Treenaks> /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:06] <plovs> pitti, i made the partition by hand, should i format the disk in XP, then i have a really funly partition-table
[10:06] <Treenaks> or just edit it using synaptic
[10:06] <plovs> s/funly/funky
[10:07] <pitti> plovs: it should be sufficient to put a proper MBR onto it; then you can even boot off it
[10:07] <plovs> pitti, how?
[10:07] <spikeb> heh
[10:07] <spikeb> i had xp already installed, used qtparted to resize the partition. :)
[10:08] <pitti> plovs: apt-get install mbr
[10:08] <pitti> plovs: install-mbr /dev/sdb
[10:08] <plovs> pitti, never seen it (mbr), i'll try, brb
[10:09] <pitti> plovs: ah, you have to say /sbin/install-mbr /dev/sdb (it's not in user's path)
[10:12] <pitti> Hi sivang! Howdy?
[10:13] <plovs> pitti, that fixed it
[10:13] <pitti> Hi lulu
[10:13] <lulu> morning!
[10:13] <pitti> plovs: hmm. This could be regarded as a bug; hal seems to look only at the first block to identify a file system
[10:14] <pitti> plovs: usually this should be enough, though
[10:14] <pitti> plovs: I don't think that I can fix that for Warty, but I will tell upstream about this
[10:16] <plovs> pitti, i can't umount anymore
[10:16] <pitti> plovs: what? sdb/sdb1/nothing?
[10:17] <plovs> sudo umount /media/sdb1
[10:17] <plovs> umount: /media/sdb1: device is busy
[10:17] <plovs> pitti, but it isn't busy
[10:17] <plovs> pitti, it is lying
[10:17] <pitti> plovs: it is busy
[10:17] <plovs> pitti, bad, bad disk
[10:17] <pitti> plovs: gnome-volume-manager keeps some locks and the trash on it
[10:18] <pitti> plovs: you need to unmount with the desktop or disk icon
[10:18] <pitti> plovs: btw, please no sudo umount; use pumount /dev/sdb1 for this
[10:18] <plovs> pitti, same error
[10:18] <pitti> plovs: pumount -l /dev/sdb1
[10:18] <pitti> plovs: wait
[10:18] <plovs> pitti, same error
[10:19] <pitti> plovs: you could do lsof | grep sdb1 before
[10:19] <pitti> plovs: to see what's actually wrong
[10:19] <pitti> plovs: or just rip it out; hal will handle that correctly
[10:19] <plovs> pitti, tried that, no output
[10:20] <plovs> pitti, I know I can rip it out, but yesterday I could unmount it
[10:21] <pitti> plovs: normally this should be possible.
[10:21] <pitti> plovs: did you unmount it before you installed the mbr?
[10:21] <pitti> plovs: modifying the raw device while it is mounted always requires a reboot (which is a unplug/replug for usb)
[10:23] <plovs> pitti, pulled it out, put it back in, same error :( ,it's no biggie, it works but well ...
[10:24] <sivang> pitti : still working on mounting bugs?
[10:25] <pitti> plovs: so now only sdb1 window appears, but you can't unmount it, right?
[10:25] <plovs> pitti, and it doesn't sync
[10:25] <plovs> pitti, yes only sdb1 but i can't write to it
[10:25] <pitti> plovs: but it is mounted with sync
[10:25] <plovs> pitti, use the mouse mat, it will ease the pain
[10:25] <pitti> plovs: not mine, it is flat and hard
[10:26] <pitti> plovs: so you have a readonly, non-syncing, busy stick .
[10:26] <zenwhen> sounds hot
[10:26] <spikeb> heh
[10:26] <plovs> pitti, if it helps I'll yell at my usb-key for you ...
[10:26] <pitti> plovs: I hope that the mbr writing did not damage the partition map/the file system
[10:26] <pitti> plovs: do that, please
[10:26] <plovs> pitti, i'll try in XP
[10:27] <pitti> plovs: you can reformat it if you want
[10:27] <pitti> plovs: I can tell you how
[10:28] <plovs> pitti, it works in  .... windows ...
[10:29] <plovs> i can write files to it and read them in linux, i just can't write in linux
[10:29] <pitti> plovs: that is odd. Can you erase, repartition and reformat the stick?
[10:29] <plovs> or more precise i can write but it doesn't sync and i don't want to wait until it sync automagically
[10:30] <pitti> plovs: I can't think of anything what should keep linux from writing onto a VFAT drive
[10:30] <spikeb> blah, no libdvdcss
[10:30] <plovs> i *can* write, it just doesn't flush it to disk
[10:31] <sivang> pitti : what about permissoin? have all possibilities exhusted?
[10:31] <pitti> plovs: but the mount options are obviously correct, yes?
[10:31] <pitti> sivang: which permissions?
[10:31] <plovs> /dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[10:31] <pitti> plovs: looks perfect
[10:31] <sivang> pitti : strange, I never needed to assign uid nor gid to be able to use my stick rw
[10:31] <plovs> pitti, almost perfect, but the devil is in the details ...
[10:32] <pitti> sivang: it's required for hfs/hfsplus devices
[10:32] <spikeb> i smell an ipod
[10:32] <pitti> sivang: also for cdroms
[10:32] <sivang> pitti : oh
[10:32] <pitti> sivang: it maps the root user to the given uid/gid
[10:33] <pitti> sivang: so only the user who plugged it in can write onto the device
[10:33] <sivang> pitti : i know, i am using it for ntfs
[10:33] <pitti> plovs: do you have any particular "devil" in mind? (i. e. a cause for the troubles)
[10:33] <sivang> pitti : although I can relax this, as NTFS is mounted ro here anyways.
[10:34] <plovs> pitti, yes, it doesn't *sync* when i type sync and then unplug then it is ok :(
[10:34] <plovs> pitti, sync-devil that would be
[10:34] <sivang> fabbione : morning :)
[10:34] <fabbione> sivang: morning :-)
[10:34] <sivang> fabbione : I've been missing for a week, felt so darn awful..Back now
[10:35] <pitti> plovs: do you have another device to test this stuff? Does it happen there, too?
[10:35] <sivang> fabbione : xresprobe says 80hz , kill it ? :)
[10:35] <spikeb> missing?
[10:35] <spikeb> heh
[10:35] <fabbione> sivang: one things at a time :-))) what is the problem?
[10:36] <plovs> pitti, i tried my usb-zip-drive and goes how many windows it opened ...
[10:36] <sivang> fabbione : I'd like to use my FLATRON 795FTplus (dunnon what the plus is for ;) ) 100Hz vert ref
[10:36] <pitti> plovs: 0?
[10:36] <sivang> fabbione : having tried several times with the XF86COnfig-4 file,
[10:36] <fabbione> sivang: ok.
[10:36] <plovs> pitti, *TWO* :-) :-)
[10:37] <fabbione> sivang: can you give me the full output from xresprobe?
[10:37] <pitti> plovs: also the raw device?
[10:37] <pitti> plovs: okay, this starts to suck.
[10:37] <pitti> plovs: I already asked upstream, I will try to find a fix myself
[10:37] <pitti> plovs: BTW, I know what could have went wrong
[10:37] <sivang> fabbione : id:
[10:37] <sivang> res: 1600x1200 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 832x624 800x600 720x540 720x400 640x480
[10:37] <sivang> freq:
[10:38] <fabbione> ok. that looks sane
[10:38] <sivang> fabbione : i see now it didn't return nothing for "freq"
[10:38] <tof-> how can i start install of the ordinary desktop ?
[10:38] <plovs> pitti, sda and sda1 and I can't umount it, and the disk doesn't eject either, and I will not climb behind my computer to yank the cable ...
[10:38] <fabbione> sivang: now, did you edit your X config file manually?
[10:38] <pitti> plovs: it mounted your raw device, which means that as soon as you write onto a mounted (nonexisting) /dev/sdb file system, it will overwrite /dev/sda1!
[10:38] <sivang> fabbione : i first tried with dpkg-reconfigure
[10:38] <pitti> plovs: please reboot your computer to sort that out
[10:38] <pitti> plovs: I will try to find a fix for not mounting the raw device
[10:39] <sivang> fabbione : when these didn't give any wanted results, I resorted to manually try diffrent combinations of freqs manually
[10:39] <fabbione> sivang: ok. that's not the best way to do things...
[10:39] <pitti> plovs: brb, have to reboot quickly
[10:39] <sivang> fabbione : when I listed the 85Hz in one of the lists, it would always use it
[10:39] <fabbione> sivang: now. let's try to make things working again
[10:39] <plovs> pitti, i'll wait with writing to the devices, but it kind of leaves something to be desired.
[10:39] <sivang> fabbione : they are working :) but not 100Hz
[10:40] <fabbione> sivang: LCD panels have one resolution and (basically) one frequency set. All the other stuff is "fake"
[10:40] <zenwhen> how would i set my clock to 5:00am using date?
[10:40] <fabbione> sivang: show me the Freq and Vert line
[10:40] <sivang> fabbione : it's not LCD ;-) This is a FLATRON 796FT plus, a monster CRT :-))
[10:41] <fabbione> ahh FLAT = LCD ;)
[10:41] <sivang> fabbione : k
[10:41] <aj> zenwhen: date -s '5:00am'
[10:41] <sivang> fabbione : you'd like the xresprobe output again?
[10:41] <fabbione> sivang: no thanks. just the 2 lines from the config file
[10:42] <sivang> fabbione : k, hold on a sec
[10:42] <fabbione> sure
[10:42] <tof-> which cmd i must use to install gnome ? apt-get install gnome only ?
[10:42] <spikeb> alrighty. whenever im ready, im off to reboot and install.
[10:43] <sivang> fabbione : HorizSync	30-96
[10:43] <sivang> 	VertRefresh	60-160
[10:43] <fabbione> sivang: ok wait a sec now :-)
[10:43] <sivang> fabbione : sure, no problemo
[10:44] <fabbione> sivang: btw which version of xresprobe are you using?
[10:44] <fabbione> sivang: and what is the output of ddcprobe?
[10:44] <sivang> fabbione : lemme check this , and this and well, a sec ;-)
[10:44] <fabbione> (paste in private since it might be quite long)
[10:45] <hiweed> hey all
[10:45] <fabbione> sivang: try to set this:
[10:45] <fabbione> HorizSync 30-140
[10:45] <fabbione> VertRefresh 60-160
[10:45] <hiweed> how to make a task-package for tasksel or aptitude use?
[10:45] <spikeb> alright, im off to install.
[10:46] <pitti> plovs: I just created a file system on my raw usb stick, without partitions. Nice to see that this works now with the new hal
[10:47] <fabbione> sivang
[10:47] <defendguin> ubuntu needs an rss feed for updates
[10:47] <hiweed> the Ubuntu 4.10 comes with a task named ~tubuntu-desktop, I wanna know how to modify it to add/remove some packages
[10:47] <fabbione> sivang: before you set the freq manually, please upgrade xresprobe
[10:47] <sivang> fabbione : doing that now.
[10:47] <fabbione> ok
[10:47] <fabbione> and please show me again the output from it
[10:48] <sivang> fabbione : ofcourse ;-)
[10:48] <hiweed> So I can make my own customized version of Ubuntu.
[10:48] <pitti> plovs: I can reproduce the error
[10:48] <pitti> plovs: now I can start hacking :-)
[10:49] <plovs> pitti, suffering is always nicer together with somebody else, good luck
[10:50] <pitti> plovs: it is still nice that you discovered this before I uploaded the packages
[10:50] <pitti> plovs: good to have some selected victims^Wtest users before the official rollout :-)
[10:50] <plovs> pitti, my pleasure
[10:51] <plovs> pitti, it's good to give something back to what seems to become a *really* neat distro
[10:52] <pitti> plovs: I agree. In fact warty is already the best distro for powerpc
[10:52] <pitti> plovs: on i386 it's still not as smooth as SuSE or Mandrake, but I think we get closer...
[10:54] <plovs> pitti, even if warty doesn't get it completely right, well it is only the first one, suse it at 9.1
[10:54] <pitti> plovs: that's right.
[10:55] <plovs> pitti, but you should be hacking not chatting :-) , so I'll shut up now, and get back to work
[10:55] <pitti> plovs: OTOH, it will take us 5 years to reach 9.x :-)
[10:55] <pitti> plovs: I can do multitasking. I let hal package build while I irc :-)
[10:57] <plovs> pitti, what do you use to make your own repository?
[10:58] <pitti> plovs: arch?
[10:58] <pitti> plovs: or deb?
[10:59] <plovs> pitti, deb
[10:59] <pitti> plovs: apt-ftparchive sources . | gzip > Sources.gz
[11:00] <pitti> plovs: same for s/sources/packages/
[11:00] <plovs> pitti, ok
[11:01] <plovs> pitti, dinertime, happy hackin' !
[11:01] <pitti> plovs: it's not even lunch here :-)
[11:02] <pitti> plovs: it's time for reboot here, my hal has crashed heavily
[11:36] <MyKq3> i need to ask u something, about nautilus....  i have Gnome 2.8 with Nautilus 2.8.0 and for some resone i don't have the BrowsBar ( the bar whish come under the title bar)  do u know how can i add it ?
[11:37] <joem> MyKq3, switch to browse mode
[11:37] <joem> option is in prefs under behavior
[11:37] <joem> browser view
[11:38] <MyKq3> okay i will try that
[11:38] <joem> can also right click -browse folder if you only want it for a certain folder
[11:39] <maliks> hey! am really amazed to see that ubuntu ships free of cost
[11:39] <MyKq3> u mean under file management pref. > behavior tab ?
[11:39] <maliks> have registered @ shipit!
[11:40] <maliks> when can i expect the cd
[11:40] <maliks> ?
[11:40] <MyKq3> cuse i don't c the browser view opsion
[11:41] <MyKq3> okay i have found it
[11:41] <MyKq3> thankz man
[11:41] <Fpanel> hey i order 100cd even thou i need 1000 for my LUG but i though its un far on you guys ordering so many so i desided to order 100 and give out to only 100 people should i make that order 1000 or leave it at 100?
[11:42] <joem> the more the better I imagine
[11:42] <joem> doesn't take much to make copies of cds
[11:42] <maliks> I ordered 3 CDS
[11:42] <Fpanel> ok so i am not abusing if i order 1000?
[11:42] <Fpanel> becaus ethat will be quite a lot for delivery
[11:43] <Fpanel> to australia
[11:43] <maliks> Hey! When can I expect the UBuntu free cd to be delivered to my house in India?
[11:43] <Fpanel> and any way not everyone will want one so should i keep it at 100 or put it up to 1000
[11:44] <carlos> maliks: end of octuber
[11:44] <spikeb> how do i remove grub from the mbr and put ntloader back?
[11:45] <sivang> fabbione : ok, xresprobe =
[11:45] <maliks> you mean END OF OCTOBER!!
[11:46] <fabbione> Fpanel: set the topic back please
[11:46] <sivang> fabbione : ok, xresprobe = 30-96, 50-160
[11:46] <maliks> Whoa! Isn't that a bit late ( though I shouldn't mind since its free)
[11:46] <zenwhen> the topic is wounded :(
[11:46] <Fpanel> lol
[11:46] <spikeb> ahh, fixmbr.
[11:46] <fabbione> sivang: well that's what the monitor tells to the video card
[11:47] <fabbione> sivang: you can try to force higher frequencies but i am pretty sure the driver will discard them
[11:47] <maliks> Are you sure its going to be end of OCTOBER Carlos?
[11:47] <pl0vs> anybody having problems starting gnome? up-to-date ubuntuinstall on nvidia, worked yesterday
[11:47] <sivang> fabbione : could you please repeat what you told me to set on the x conf file before?
[11:48] <pl0vs> it hangs on the splash-screen
[11:48] <fabbione> Horz 30-140
[11:48] <fabbione> Vert is ok
[11:48] <sivang> fabbione : ok. lemme check that for a sec.
[11:48] <maliks> LOOKS LIKE I will really have to download the CD instead of waiting for it till the end of October. Thanks for the help CARLOS
[11:48] <carlos> maliks: sorry, I had a phone call
[11:48] <maliks> uh ok
[11:49] <carlos> maliks: the cd ship will be the final Warty release
[11:49] <maliks> so they wont ship me something right now?
[11:49] <cef_work> Fpanel: please don't touch the topic
[11:49] <carlos> it will be released in about 15 days so that timeline is normal
[11:49] <carlos> maliks: right
[11:49] <maliks> you have any idea why there are shipping free
[11:50] <cef_work> maliks: cos they want people to use it?
[11:50] <maliks> Won't that burn a BIG hole in their pocket
[11:50] <maliks> ?
[11:50] <carlos> maliks: it's a way to promote it and help people that is not able to downlaod it to use Ubuntu :-)
[11:50] <maliks> yaa maybe
[11:50] <maliks> but it is so susceptible to ABUSE
[11:50] <zenwhen> carlos, on the same note, is dialup configuration simple in ubuntu?
[11:50] <maliks> anyone cud order CDs just like that
[11:50] <y0ann> and the fouder of the projet have the money to do it
[11:50] <maliks> and that too just for nothing
[11:51] <cef_work> fabbione: I just did that
[11:51] <fabbione> whops
[11:51] <fabbione> i was copy&pasting and i didn't see you did it ;)
[11:51] <sivang> fabbione : xphome telling me that 100Hz is usable is , a fake? gnome won't let me choose higher than 80
[11:51] <maliks> Hey! Can anyone tell me whther a forum for Ubuntu exists?
[11:51] <cef_work> fabbione: tsk tsk.. next you'll be committing changes to X.org for the same bug at the same time as daniel and just applying them anyway
[11:52] <carlos> zenwhen: I never did it, we have the GNOME System Tools that help you with that, but I'm not sure its state, sorry
[11:52] <sivang> fabbione : I have a really bad flickering problem, and on "100hz" it vanishes - i really want to try make it work.
[11:52] <fabbione> sivang: please try the freq i wrote before. You will have to restart X completely
[11:52] <fabbione> sivang: these changes need to go in XF86Config-4
[11:53] <fabbione> gnome doesn't know enough about X to handle these thing properly
[11:53] <Fpanel> what happens if someone un sudo thems self/
[11:53] <Fpanel> ?
[11:53] <maliks> ok bye everyone; thanks for the answer carlos (will wait for the CDs!)
[11:53] <fabbione> cef_work: ehhe
[11:53] <cef_work> fabbione: then again, we can always blame it on daniel *grin*
[11:53] <fabbione> cef_work: of course
[11:54] <sivang> fabbione : already tried, didn't give much difference. I am restarting GDM as well
[11:54] <kundera> hello
[11:54] <sivang> fabbione : no luck. leaving only "100" on the vert keeps preventing the server from booting
[11:54] <kundera> can anybody tell me where the apt repositories for ubuntu are ?
[11:55] <sivang> fabbione : trying lower value
[11:55] <kundera> please
[11:55] <kundera> i cant find them .
[11:55] <sivang> fabbione : is there a way to force a refresh rate once in X ?
[11:55] <kundera> anybody ?
[11:56] <fabbione> sivang: one value isn't enough
[11:56] <sivang> kundera : try wiki.ubuntu.com/archive
[11:56] <kundera> thanx sivang
[11:56] <fabbione> sivang: send me the /var/log/Xfree86.0.log or put it somewhere on the web where i can grab it
[11:56] <fabbione> I am of for lunch
[11:56] <fabbione> brb
[11:56] <sivang> fabbione : bot appetit
[11:59] <pl0vs> where can I see gnome-log files, i'm stuck at the spash-screen
[12:01] <kundera> can anybody tell me what to put in sources.list
[12:02] <kundera> for setting up apt for ubuntu
[12:03] <carlos> kundera: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main universe
[12:08] <kundera> see you later
[12:08] <kundera> bye for now
[12:08] <kundera> thanx
[12:08] <kundera> carlos
[12:12] <fabbione> re
[12:13] <fabbione> sivang: can i see the X logs?
[12:16] <sivang> fabbione : yes, sorry a sec - i was doing something else
[12:16] <sivang> fabbione : please hand in your email adrs
[12:16] <fabbione><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:17] <sivang> fabbione : ok, would you like a log produced after it won't accept 100Hz ? or a regular running one with standard range freqs?
[12:18] <fabbione> sivang: boths is better
[12:19] <sivang> fabbione : ok, you'll have them in 5 minutes.
[12:20] <fabbione> ok
[12:22] <sivang> fabbione : would it matter if I "$ startx" or log in from GDM?
[12:23] <fabbione> no. it makes no difference
[12:23] <fabbione> or at least it shouldn't
[12:24] <baietas> LOVE IT! :)
[12:27] <sivang> fabbione : ok, preparing you en email with both confs logs, and xresprobe and ddcprobe outpus
[12:27] <fabbione> sivang: ok thanks
[12:33] <sivang> fabbione : reached you yet?
[12:33] <MyKq3>  can i use XORG with my Ubuntu?
[12:34] <sivang> fabbione : has xorg reported to be better (hardware wise support) then XFree86 ?
[12:34] <baietas> I have no video for my DVD/DVX/ XVid is that normal?
[12:34] <fabbione> (II) NVIDIA X Driver  1.0-6111  Tue Jul 27 07:56:22 PDT 2004
[12:34] <fabbione> sivang: please use the nv driver
[12:35] <fabbione> sivang: i can't debug the nvidia binary driver
[12:36] <fabbione> (WW) NVIDIA(0): The user specified HorizSync "30.000-140.000" has been
[12:36] <fabbione> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      adjusted to "30.000-96.000" (the intersection with
[12:36] <fabbione> so the driver overrides your options
[12:36] <daniels> fabbione: hooray!
[12:36] <daniels> i love the nvidia driver
[12:37] <fabbione> sivang: also.. which resolution are you asking to your videocard?
[12:37] <fabbione> sivang: it has "only" 32Mb of ram
[12:37] <fabbione> and perhaps it can't handle 100Hz
[12:37] <fabbione> (if you go too high in res)
[12:37] <fabbione> + it's an old model
[12:39] <plovs> anybody working on bonobo-problems? desktop hangs until bonobo is killed
[12:45] <sivang> fabbione : 1024x768 vert 100hz. which used to work on yucksP ;)
[12:45] <sivang> fabbione : i don't ask much ;)
[12:46] <sivang> fabbione : ok, i'll try with the open source driver
[12:46] <sivang> fabbione : go ?
[12:47] <fabbione> sivang: yes please try the free driver
[12:47] <fabbione> the commercial one is good for one thing only...
[12:48] <fabbione> 3d and cat nvidia_drv.o > /dev/toilet/paper/4/layer
[12:54] <plovs> plovs, talking to myself, filed bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1861
[12:58] <baietas> hey.. where is .xinitrc in ubuntu?
[12:59] <vrln> in ~/.xinitrc
[12:59] <vrln> you have to make it, it might not be there as default
[12:59] <baietas> oh thank you kind sir ;
[12:59] <baietas> ;)
[01:00] <oscar_> help please!
[01:00] <vrln> :)
[01:00] <oscar_> i have a mosue cursor in the center of the screen, ecept for the one that follows the mose..
[01:01] <baietas> hmmmm
[01:01] <oscar_> i've removed every mouse section in XF86Config-4 except the synaptics one i'm using.
[01:01] <oscar_> it goes away after a while some times, but can also come back..
[01:03] <oscar_> anyone?
[01:03] <trukulo> oscar_: i don't understand
[01:03] <baietas> me either
[01:04] <baietas> what do you mean mouse cursor in the center of the screen?
[01:04] <thom> oscar_: you need to use a software cursor rather than the hardware one
[01:04] <oscar_> well, it looks like a mouse cursor, like the X one..
[01:04] <sivang> fabbione : darn, i have to disable framebuffer now
[01:04] <pisuke> seems that the mouse cursor comes and goes
[01:04] <oscar_> i've got one that i use with the touchpad..
[01:05] <oscar_> and then there's one formed like an X that doesn't move
[01:05] <oscar_> looks like the one that xdm uses
[01:05] <trukulo> i still don't understand, sorry :(
[01:05] <oscar_> thom, how do you mean?
[01:06] <thom> oscar_: wait, finding the bug report
[01:06] <oscar_> great
[01:06] <sivang> fabbione : how do I specify in XF86Config-4 that I do not wish to use the framebuffer device?
[01:07] <sivang> fabbione : nm. found it
[01:08] <MyKq3> how can i put the trashbin on my DT?
[01:08] <sivang> fabbione : nv driver triggered CRT to non display mode. it went power saving
[01:09] <thom> oscar_: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002085.html
[01:09] <oscar_> thom, i'll check, cheers
[01:09] <fabbione> sivang: just a second. we might need the new nv driver. i am upload X right now for it
[01:10] <baietas> anybody know where's the file i need to chage to remove /windows from mounting automatically?
[01:10] <fabbione> sivang: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/nv/i386/
[01:10] <ioslipstream> baietas: /etc/fstab
[01:10] <fabbione> sivang: grab these 2 files and copy them into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/
[01:10] <fabbione> sivang: and restart X
[01:10] <oscar_> restart x.
[01:11] <baietas> ioslipstream: oh yeah thats right .. thank you:)
[01:12] <sivang> fabbione : i'll add your source ;)
[01:12] <torb> Hello, has anyone gotten playback of encryptes dvd's working on amd64?
[01:12] <sivang> fabbione : can I add your ppl to my sources.list and have the apt do magic?
[01:13] <fabbione> sivang: no
[01:13] <bob2> hm, after my first reboot since a dist-upgrade earlier this week, I can't boot anymore
[01:13] <fabbione> it's not an apt-getable package
[01:13] <baietas> hmmm... looks ok... /windows vfat (i have fat32) but at boot it starts to fsck it and it fails badly... any ideeas?
[01:13] <fabbione> sivang: the same fix will be available in the archive in approx 3 hours
[01:13] <sivang> fabbione : ok
[01:15] <bob2> torb: you'll need libdvdcss.
[01:16] <torb> bob2: I have built and installed it from www.videolan.org's debian archive, however totem-xine claims that it can't play encrypted dvd's (it stops after displaying some copyrightnotices)
[01:17] <bob2> torb: is it using it?
[01:17] <torb> bob2: How can I tell?
[01:17] <bob2> strace it, I guess.
[01:18] <bob2> strace totem-xine 2>&1 | grep -i dvdcss
[01:18] <sivang> fabbione : what's the fix bug# ?
[01:18] <torb> bob2: It didn't produce any output, so totem doesn't use dvdcss? Can I tell it to do so?
[01:18] <fabbione> sivang: hold on...
[01:19] <fabbione> sivang:     (Closes: #269025, #268759, #271235, #270228, #271071, #270714)
[01:19] <fabbione> sivang: from the Debian BTS
[01:19] <fabbione> sivang: probably more than that
[01:19] <bob2> torb: does xine use it?
[01:19] <bob2> I'm not even sure what totem is.
[01:20] <torb> totem is the default mediaplayer in gnome, it can use libxine as a backend. Xine does an open("/usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 14
[01:20] <MyKq3>  when i m trying to c a movie i get a blank screen ... do u know whats that name of the codec pack?
[01:22] <sivang> fabbione : fabbi, you an italiano? (just saw your AMAZING ubuntu pasta)
[01:22] <fabbione> sivang: hehehe yeah
[01:22] <sivang> fabbione : you'd better watch out putting pics of this, I might come pay you a visit claim to taste the wonderfull ubuntu_pasta :-)))
[01:23] <fabbione> sivang: welcome to pass by :-)
[01:23] <bob2> torb: so xine works but totem doesn't?
[01:25] <sivang> fabbione : what's the pasta's kind? (i know trotalini, raviloli etc)
[01:25] <torb> bob2: xine doesn't work, it too claims that the dvd is encrypted and stops playing. I have tried to rebuild the libxine0 package, but it failed so I went here to check if there was an easy way to get things working.
[01:27] <fabbione> sivang: bucatini alla amatriciana, but that's a special variant i did for the ubuntu release. more spicy than the original ones
[01:27] <torb> bob2: vlc plays the dvd but has a bug on amd64 which prevents it from playing the discs soundtrack
[01:28] <bob2> torb: ah, ouch...guess ask on ubuntu-users, sure someone will know
[01:28] <plovs> pitti, any news on the hal-front?
[01:28] <pitti> plovs: unfortunately not, this is pretty complicated
[01:28] <pitti> plovs: I'm working on it
[01:29] <torb> bob2: thanks for your time!
[01:29] <plovs> pitti, no hurry it works if I sync by hand
[01:29] <bob2> torb: np, sorry I couldn't be of more use
[01:29] <pitti> plovs: nevertheless the raw device must not be mounted; this will screw up your stick
[01:30] <plovs> plovs, yes, that would be unfortunate
[01:30] <sivang> fabbione : boy, that makes me pasta hungry...:-)
[01:31] <sivang> fabbione : anyways, I copied that files. now what?
[01:31] <pebkac> allo, anyone alive?
[01:32] <fabbione> sivang: restart X
[01:32] <pebkac> i was just wondering if there's some graphical wrapper to manage services out there for ubuntu, as i'm a bit unfamiliar with debian?  also, is there any plan to include adsl support?
[01:33] <pebkac> even a little text guide about what's safe to enable/disable would suffice.
[01:33] <sivang> fabbione : recreate the 2 log files? one with the range, the other with a specific freq?
[01:33] <fabbione> sivang: does X start?
[01:33] <bob2> pebkac: it includes "adsl support".
[01:33] <sivang> fabbione : yes it does. it currently uses the freq range
[01:34] <fabbione> sivang: ok.. so what is missing now?
[01:34] <fabbione> sivang: is it running at 100Hz?
[01:35] <sivang> fabbione : no :-(
[01:35] <sivang> fabbione : same 85
[01:36] <fabbione> sivang: at which resolution?
[01:36] <sivang> fabbione : it takes longer for the server to start
[01:36] <fabbione> sivang: because it can easily be a video card limitation
[01:36] <sivang> fabbione : i have used the same video card, on a xphom inst. and it did 100hz
[01:37] <fabbione> sivang: yes, i know that it takes longer. the 2 files are compiled with debugging support. once you will upgrade to ubunut22 it will take less time
[01:37] <fabbione> sivang: send me the log of the running session and the configuration file
[01:37] <sivang> fabbione : 1024x768 , 85hz
[01:38] <sivang> fabbione : ok
[01:38] <sivang> fabbione : what's the "hack" kind of thing with CRT modes? how come they all have one mode ?
[01:38] <fabbione> sivang: that is for LCD, not CRT. i misunderstood FLAT with LCD
[01:40] <pebkac> bob2: where?  i didn't see any mention of it on the menus.  or is it using rp-pppoe, andi need to type "adsl-setup?"
[01:40] <bob2> pebkac: pppoeconf.
[01:40] <pebkac> ah, yes.  thanks.
[01:41] <pebkac> any thoughts on the services manager or a little helpful guide somewhere?
[01:41] <bob2> if you don't want it running, don't install it.
[01:41] <bob2> or "rcconf" or "update-rc.d".
[01:42] <pebkac> i'm not really given a choice about what services start up at default, hence my question.
[01:44] <Fpanel> is there any chance ubuntu will port YaST to debian/ubuntu?
[01:44] <Fpanel> as YaST is now GPL'd
[01:44] <Fpanel> maybe by the next relest?
[01:44] <pebkac> oi.  yast is so bloated.
[01:45] <Fpanel> we know
[01:45] <Fpanel> but it is the best
[01:46] <Kamion> Fpanel: relatively unlikely
[01:47] <Fpanel> well any chance of a GUI?
[01:48] <sivang> fabbione : sent
[01:48] <fabbione> sivang: and the config file?
[01:48] <sivang> fabbione : on it's way
[01:48] <Kamion> gnome-system-tools is our preferred administration GUI, and there are already plenty of bits of it in Ubuntu
[01:49] <Kamion> we'll be improving it rather than replacing it, I should imagine
[01:49] <Fpanel> isnt YaST an installer?
[01:51] <plovs> Kamion, nicest would be something like osx's system preferences
[01:51] <bob2> porting Yet Yet Yet Another Installer to Debian seems pretty pointless
[01:51] <bob2> especially given what a nice base d-i is
[01:52] <fabbione> sivang: clearly... either your video card or your monitor do not support 100Hz. xphome lies
[01:53] <fabbione> sivang: otherwise try to reduce the depth to 16 bit and see if that helps
[01:54] <Fpanel> so well there ever be a GUI installer for debian besides the one progeny ported and linspire made.....
[01:55] <fabbione> Fpanel: that's planned for Hoary
[01:55] <fabbione> (next release is approx 6 months)
[01:55] <maswan> Mithrandir: The installer kernel logs a gazillion dma errors and stuff regarding mptbase when creating filesystems, a process which is very slow. Familiar problem?
[01:56] <sivang> fabbione : ok, reduce depth, retry if it makes 98hz?
[01:56] <Fpanel> hoary is the next one?
[01:56] <fabbione> sivang: yes
[01:56] <fabbione> Fpanel: yes
[01:57] <Fpanel> any ideas on how it will look like?
[01:57] <fabbione> nope
[01:58] <bob2> Fpanel: what's the advantage of a "GUI installer"?
[01:58] <fabbione> bob2: "click next -> next -> next -> done"
[01:58] <fabbione> instead of hitting enter :-)
[01:58] <fabbione> a mouse is cheaper than a keyboard ;)
[01:58] <Fpanel> n00bs will be more willing to install debian instead of red hat or suse
[01:59] <Treenaks> i still dont understand that argument.. gui is not inherently easier
[01:59] <bob2> me either
[01:59] <fabbione> it's just cosmetic
[01:59] <plovs> Treenaks, it isn't but it is inherently easier to sell
[01:59] <bob2> it seems like those "if only it did $foo, everyone would use it!"
[02:00] <plovs> a good kickstart-disk is much nicer then a gui installer
[02:00] <Qo-noS> Doesn't Slackware have an installer that is but ncurses-based? And does it not work? ;)
[02:01] <plovs> Qo-noS, slacks installer is like freebsd installer nice and easy, but not for non-geeks
[02:01] <bob2> ubuntu's is already "hit enter, enter, enter, hostname?, enter, enter, reboot"
[02:01] <bob2> probably not even that many "enters"
[02:02] <Treenaks> bob2: you're forgetting <arrow-left> <enter> for the partitions..
[02:02] <Qo-noS> plovs: can't see how that theory of yours can stick i.e. doesn't win2k  has an ncurses installer too? Do you mean we need geeks to install win2k then? ;)
[02:02] <maswan> and you have to chose language and location
[02:03] <bob2> Treenaks: oh, yeah
[02:03] <bob2> that makes it completely different ;-)
[02:03] <Fpanel> when i installed linux on my first com i fund d-i a lot easier to use than mandrakes installer becasue d-i booted and mandrake didnt because it didnt have driver for my hardware
[02:03] <Fpanel> so in the long run it was better for me
[02:03] <plovs> Qo-noS, I do computer support for windows, the (beginning of) the w2k installer scared a lot of users
[02:04] <Kamion> Fpanel: it'll be a GTK frontend over d-i, probably with some customized widgets for the complicated bits
[02:04] <Kamion> Fpanel: considering the prototype doesn't boot yet, though, it's difficult to say what it'll look like ;)
[02:04] <solowlr> greetings all
[02:04] <plovs> Kamion, qtparted?
[02:04] <Kamion> plovs: no
[02:05] <Fpanel> so it will work on our custermized debian distros?
[02:05] <Kamion> I said GTK, didn't I? :)
[02:05] <Qo-noS> plovs: it not scare any of me the uncles and aunties in me nieghborhood though ;) otherwise they won't be running nothing else but win2k atm
[02:05] <plovs> Kamion, because of the qt-part?
[02:05] <Kamion> plovs: Ubuntu doesn't support qt at all right now, so I'm not inclined to introduce a dependency on it in the installer
[02:05] <Kamion> anyway the partitioner needs to do other things beyond plain parted-ery
[02:05] <solowlr> what would be the equivalent of "ipconfig /all" in Linux? i'm trying to figure out why my Ubuntu installation isn't picking up the DNS servers from DHCP
[02:05] <Fpanel> i use GTK
[02:05] <Kamion> Fpanel: right, much of the work will be done in Debian for practical/other reasons
[02:06] <Treenaks> sladen: ifconfig
[02:06] <Kamion> Treenaks: ->solowlr
[02:06] <plovs> Kamion, resizing ntfs is off-course a must for many users, this is the only thing i like about mandrake
[02:06] <Fpanel> the only QT program i use is one that i am porting to GTK
[02:06] <RAYITO> hi everyone!!
[02:06] <Kamion> plovs: sure, but if/when parted gets that support we'll get it more or less automatically
[02:06] <RAYITO> does anybody have a HP ZV5000 or a Compac R3000?
[02:06] <Treenaks> Kamion: yes.. too many people with the same first letters
[02:06] <Kamion> well, somebody would have to write a small shim in partman, but that's easy
[02:07] <Treenaks> Kamion: so my <tab> gets confused
[02:07] <solowlr> only thing in ifconfig is it doesn't show me DNS info, just IP and MAC info
[02:07] <plovs> Kamion, will there be kick-start support
[02:07] <RAYITO> does anybody have a HP ZV5000 or a Compac R3000?
[02:07] <bob2> solowlr: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[02:07] <RAYITO> if so, please send a private
[02:08] <thom> plovs: it's a goal for Hoary, yes
[02:08] <Treenaks> twhat is kick-start?
[02:08] <plovs> thom, very nice, that would make deploying a piece of cake
[02:08] <thom> Treenaks: redhat scriptable installation system
[02:08] <thom> (like FAI)
[02:08] <Treenaks> thom: ah ok scriptable installation :)
[02:08] <RAYITO> hey! any amd64 user??
[02:08] <thom> RAYITO: i am
[02:09] <RAYITO> ok
[02:09] <solowlr> resolv.conf is empty, i suppose therein lies my problem, although I've set Ubuntu for DHCP
[02:09] <maswan> RAYITO: trying to
[02:09] <bob2> solowlr: try running "dhclient eth0" manually.
[02:09] <bob2> solowlr: are you using a windows dhp server?
[02:10] <RAYITO> ok
[02:10] <solowlr> yup, Windows 2000 server DHCP
[02:10] <RAYITO> I'm having problems with X
[02:10] <bob2> solowlr: try "pump -i eth0".
[02:10] <RAYITO> works fine whit x86
[02:10] <RAYITO> not with amd64
[02:11] <thom> RAYITO: ok. what's the exact problem? doesn't start, bad resolution, ...
[02:11] <RAYITO> it does not matter the driver I use
[02:11] <thom> gar, microbreak
[02:11] <maswan> RAYITO: well, can't help you there, none of my 200:ish amd64s have X.
[02:11] <RAYITO> it tries to start the crashes
[02:11] <solowlr> i think i know what the problem is, i'm not logged in as root
[02:12] <RAYITO> the chip is a nVidia
[02:12] <bob2> solowlr: you don't need to login as root.
[02:12] <cliff> RAYITO: whats the error message ?
[02:12] <bob2> solowlr: use "sudo dhclient eth0" or whatever.
[02:12] <solowlr> "permission denied"
[02:12] <thom> RAYITO: an nvidia _what_? :-)
[02:12] <solowlr> wait, the sudo worked...
[02:12] <RAYITO> I can't read, becouse when it crashes everithing moves and it's impossible to read!
[02:13] <fabbione> RAYITO: lspci -n
[02:13] <cliff> RAYITO: when it's done, you should be able to see the last few lines.
[02:13] <RAYITO> nVidia GeForce
[02:13] <fabbione> RAYITO: sorry.. only lspci
[02:13] <cliff> otherwise check in /var/log for and XFree86.log
[02:13] <RAYITO> ok, I'll try
[02:13] <cliff> probably says "No Screens Found"
[02:13] <RAYITO> thanks! I'm new in this!
[02:13] <solowlr> that's odd, i get a successful dhcp but still no DNS entries
[02:14] <Kosai> solowlr: Perhaps the DHCP server isn't giving you any.
[02:14] <RAYITO> I'll try and tell you tomorrow
[02:14] <RAYITO> thanks!
[02:15] <cliff> RAYITO: whats wrong with now ?
[02:15] <RAYITO> oops, I'm at work
[02:15] <RAYITO> here we use the "dark side" OS
[02:15] <Kosai> RAYITO: You mean.. *gasp*.. FreeBSD?
[02:16] <RAYITO> :D
[02:16] <RAYITO> noooo
[02:16] <cliff> Kosai: I think he means windows :P
[02:16] <RAYITO> Windows!!
[02:17] <Kamion> Kosai: (Hm, do you own a copy of Windows? I don't, but borrowing one for testing might be useful ...)
[02:18] <RAYITO> I have the one that came with the laptop
[02:18] <RAYITO> I'm in Spain
[02:18] <Kosai> Kamion: No, don't run it at all, sorry.
[02:18] <Kosai> Kamion: I can probably get hold of a CD from lab, if that's useful.
[02:18] <RAYITO> bye!
[02:19] <Kamion> Kosai: no worries, I'll ask on #chiark to see if anyone has one handy
[02:19] <Kosai> 'kay.
[02:29] <ASoliD^> hello, is it possible to change konsole backround?
[02:30] <cliff> ASoliD^: Konsole as in the terminal emulator ?
[02:30] <ASoliD^> indeed
[02:31] <ASoliD^> im tierd of watching a white screen
[02:31] <ASoliD^> i want to put a picture in there...
[02:31] <cliff> the options alone the top should have something you can change.
[02:31] <cliff> the menu bar that is.
[02:31] <cliff> (sorry I don't use Konsole)
[02:32] <cliff> in fact, right click in the terminal
[02:32] <cliff> there is a settings menu option
[02:32] <LinuxJones> good morning all
[02:33] <ASoliD^> thanks cliff
[02:34] <cliff> ASoliD^: does that solve your problem ?
[02:34] <ASoliD^> yes
[02:34] <cliff> k cool.
[02:38] <ASoliD^> a question has poped into my mind: why doesnt ubuntu bome with a built-in GCC?
[02:38] <ASoliD^> *come
[02:38] <Treenaks> ASoliD^: it does, apt-get install build-essential
[02:38] <ASoliD^> that i know
[02:38] <ASoliD^> didit
[02:38] <ASoliD^> but in the install, why doesnt it have GCC?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> ASoliD^, the developers feel that most users will not be compiling much software
[02:39] <ASoliD^> hmm... i had to compile about 35674765 times already...
[02:39] <Treenaks> ASoliD^: have to? did you look in universe first?
[02:40] <Treenaks> ASoliD^: that, and you're one user. we're talking "most users" here
[02:40] <ASoliD^> hehe
[02:40] <liz> how do you get the apt-get sources.list to access the net instead of cdrom
[02:40] <liz> ive tried editing the file, but it wont let me
[02:40] <Treenaks> liz: remove the cdrom line :)
[02:40] <LinuxJones> liz, comment out the cdrom section in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:40] <bob2> liz: you need root priveleges to edit it
[02:40] <ASoliD^> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:40] <bob2> liz: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:41] <ASoliD^> oh right... forgot the nanao...
[02:42] <liz> o.k
[02:42] <liz> never used nano before..interesting
[02:42] <liz> thank you
[02:42] <ASoliD^> im pretty happy with ubuntu
[02:42] <ASoliD^> its a fine release
[02:42] <cliff> I find it easiest to "sudo bash" then edit or whatever you need.
[02:42] <cliff> reduces the amount of crud in your logs as well
[02:43] <tseng> sudo -s
[02:43] <thom> cliff: sudo -s -H is the preferred idiom for that
[02:43] <cliff> thom: thats works too.
[02:47] <ASoliD^> im pretty much a graphical linux n00b, what good graphical edeting progies work with linux? (Photoshop, FlashMX etc...)
[02:47] <liz> how do you save in nano?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> ASoliD^, you know about the Gimp ?
[02:47] <liz> i normally use vi
[02:47] <cliff> liz: control O
[02:48] <LinuxJones> liz, ctrl + alt + o
[02:48] <cliff> alt ?
[02:48] <cliff> since when ?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> that's what I use
[02:48] <ASoliD^> Gimp? never heard about it... does it come defoult with ubuntu?
[02:48] <Chriffer> doesnt nano list the keys at the bottom?
[02:48] <cliff> ASoliD^: sodipodi also, but thats for vector graphics.
[02:48] <ASoliD^> it does
[02:48] <LinuxJones> ASoliD^, it's probably installed already, it is very powerfull but the interface is different
[02:49] <cliff> Chriffer: yes.
[02:49] <Chriffer> ctrl x exits nano and asks if you want to save
[02:49] <ASoliD^> cliff, vector graphics are my favorites
[02:49] <LinuxJones> ASoliD^, Applications >> Graphics and take a look
[02:49] <ASoliD^> thanks LinuxJones
[02:50] <LinuxJones> ASoliD^, sure
[02:50] <cliff> ASoliD^: there is also Ink Scape
[02:50] <ASoliD^> oh! The Gimp has layer support! owsome!
[02:51] <cliff> ASoliD^: wouldn't be much use without it ;)
[02:52] <thom> for vector graphics, use InkScape rather than sodipodi
[02:53] <ASoliD^> inkscape eh... does Macromedia's Flash MX has linux support?
[02:53] <cliff> InkScape is a fork of sodipodi.
[02:53] <Qo-noS> ASoliD^: yes
[02:53] <ASoliD^> awsome!
[02:54] <Qo-noS> ASoliD^: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[02:56] <ASoliD^> im not interested in the player
[02:56] <ASoliD^> but in the software
[02:57] <Treenaks> you can install flash automagically by clicking the 'install plugin' button in firefox
[02:57] <ASoliD^> exactly
[02:57] <ASoliD^> i wanted to know if Flash MX itself supports linux
[02:58] <Kosai> It does not.
[03:00] <Qo-noS> ASoliD^: oops read you wrong there...thought you wanted to know if Flash works under Linux sorry ;)
[03:01] <ASoliD^> its ok
[03:02] <LinuxJones> I have never used a wiki before, is there a how-to to add a page for submission to the faq ?
[03:05] <whiprush> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HelpContents
[03:06] <LinuxJones> whiprush, thanks
[03:25] <Mayday> does anyone know if gossip support anything else than jabber atm?
[03:44] <axe9dotcom> meow
[03:44] <madduck> quack
[03:44] <axe9dotcom> hehe
[03:47] <axe9dotcom> woof
[03:47] <madduck> quack
[03:47] <axe9dotcom> meow
[03:47] <madduck> quack
[03:47] <axe9dotcom> rawr
[03:47] <Unicat_> m00.
[03:47] <axe9dotcom> hiss
[03:47] <axe9dotcom> lol
[03:47] <Unicat_> <- QuakeNet ;)
[03:50] <Vampis> Hello
[03:51] <Vampis> I need to use Character set ISO-8859-1 but I cant find it.. what do I do to install it?
[04:02] <sanitario> where was that ubuntu-mono repos again?
[04:02] <sanitario> or is it 'where were'?
[04:02] <Treenaks> sanitario: look at the faq
[04:04] <sanitario> Treenaks: I just did... possibly I'm blind...
[04:04] <sanitario> Treenaks: ah, wrong faq ;)
[04:05] <sanitario> Treenaks: hm, ok, but didn't tseng have an unofficial repos for mono?
[04:05] <sanitario> nm, found it
[04:05] <sanitario> oscar_: hello
[04:06] <daniels> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.5131804167
[04:07] <oscar_> sanitario, hey!
[04:08] <oscar_> got the cursor removed .)
[04:08] <sanitario> oscar_: nice
[04:08] <Vampis> oscar_, tippex
[04:08] <Vampis> ;)
[04:08] <_axel> hi, i cant seem to type accenter or spanish characters in ooo, i have locale set to es_ES and ooo is set to everything spanish, i get spanish menus and etc
[04:08] <sanitario> oscar_: I just reinstalled, fscked up X
[04:08] <oscar_> Vampis, tippex?
[04:08] <_axel> s/accenter/accented
[04:08] <Vampis> Paint over the cursor
[04:08] <Vampis> ;)
[04:09] <oscar_> sanitario, que?
[04:09] <_axel> i installed openoffice.org-l10n-es and i can type properly in the terminal and gtk apps but not in ooo - can someone help?
[04:09] <oscar_>  X.org fucked up?
[04:09] <daniels> oscar_: ?
[04:10] <oscar_> daniels?
[04:10] <pisuke> _axel, works for me. spanish here.
[04:10] <crashd_> hi!
[04:10] <pisuke> _axel, there was an update of oo.org
[04:10] <sanitario> oscar_: no, I was veeery stupid.
[04:10] <_axel> hmm
[04:10] <oscar_> sanitario, what did you do?
[04:10] <pisuke> _axel, are you up to date?
[04:11] <sanitario> oscar_: I installed x.org over xfree86
[04:11] <oscar_> hmm..
[04:11] <_axel> pisuke: nope, but i suspect it has nothing with the update
[04:11] <sanitario> oscar_: then thought that I hadn't, and rm -r /usr/X11R6
[04:11] <oscar_> sanitario, maybee you should have removed xfree86?
[04:11] <sanitario> oscar_: maybe I should have installed it in /usr/local ...
[04:11] <oscar_> sanitario, so now you're left without x?
[04:12] <pisuke> _axel, who knows remember warthy is a beta
[04:12] <sanitario> oscar_: no, I was, now I have reinstalled. got too tired to work out all dependencies
[04:12] <oscar_> sanitario, you should have tar cvvf x.tar X11R6
[04:12] <oscar_> sanitario, then rm -rf X11R6
[04:12] <_axel> grmpf
[04:13] <sanitario> oscar_: shoulda, woulda, coulda.
[04:13] <oscar_> sanitario, and then install x.org
[04:13] <oscar_> sanitario, :)
[04:13] <oscar_> or :(
[04:13] <sanitario> oscar_: is vampis a friend of yours?
[04:13] <_axel> pisuke: could you msg me the output of 'locale' in your box?
[04:13] <oscar_> sanitario, he's next to me
[04:14] <sanitario> oscar_: cool
[04:14] <sanitario> this is so not my day.
[04:14] <oscar_> sanitario, does swedish characters work allrigt for you?
[04:14] <sanitario> oscar_: yup
[04:14] <plovs> pitti, I just rebooted and I can unmount my zip-drive now
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_CTYPE="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_NUMERIC="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_TIME="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_COLLATE="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_MONETARY="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_MESSAGES="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_PAPER="es_ES"
[04:15] <oscar_> sanitario, you'll just have to keeo trying..
[04:15] <oscar_> .)
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_NAME="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_ADDRESS="es_ES"
[04:15] <pitti> plovs: good to hear; I did some other things in the meantime, I need some more time to fix hal
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_TELEPHONE="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_MEASUREMENT="es_ES"
[04:15] <_axel> hmm, same here
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_ES"
[04:15] <pisuke> LC_ALL=
[04:15] <plovs> pitti, to make things more confusing, now it works ok
[04:15] <_axel> funny cuz ooo is the ONLY program i care about being able to type in spanish
[04:16] <pitti> plovs: I prepared my USB stick exactly like you did, I can reproduce it
[04:16] <pisuke> _axel, i have ooo in english, but can type accents
[04:16] <_axel> thats what i used to have
[04:17] <_axel> then a while ago i apt-got oo-l10n-es and it turned to spanish, but still no accents
[04:17] <pisuke> consider updating
[04:17] <_axel> i just did
[04:17] <plovs> pitti, ok, btw my zip-drive is mounted on my desktop as a disk not as a zip-drive (wrong icon)
[04:17] <_axel> still doesnt work, no accents, no 's, no shit
[04:17] <pitti> plovs: can you please file a bug about this?
[04:18] <pisuke> _axel, :(
[04:18] <plovs> pitti, sure, but first diner!
[04:18] <crashd_> my pppoeconf don't work at boot. I have download the "New pppoeconf" from https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 . how I make it to work?In /usr/sbin I cannot add file .thx
[04:19] <_axel> is there any ooo channel in freenode?
[04:20] <_axel> ah yes
[04:20] <_axel> will bitch them there
[04:53] <sivang>  /whois fabbione
[04:55] <crashd_> my pppoeconf don't work at boot. I have download the "New pppoeconf" from https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 . In /usr/sbin I cannot add file. which it is the procedure?thank you
[04:57] <ema> anybody knows why php works only with scripts owned by root?
[04:58] <HcE> ema: try setting mode 644 on the script?
[04:58] <elim> is the ppc kernel in ubuntu setup to enable a bootsplash?
[04:58] <ema> HcE: nope, it doesn't work
[04:59] <HcE> what user does your webserver run as?
[04:59] <ema> www-data
[04:59] <HcE> hmm
[05:00] <ema> HcE: morevoer, it seems that the installation of php4 don't change anything in /etc/apache/modules.conf
[05:00] <Kamion> elim: no, bootsplash was deferred until after warty, it isn't set up on any architecture
[05:00] <HcE> ema: you run apache1 or 2 ?
[05:00] <ema> HcE: I had to manually run apache-modconf
[05:00] <ema> HcE: 1
[05:03] <HcE> ema: weird, I would gess it has something to do with eiter a directory rule or some mode problem
[05:03] <ema> HcE: running php4 scriptname.php works fine, though
[05:03] <HcE> seems like a bug in your apache config?
[05:03] <ema> HcE: it is the default one
[05:03] <HcE> h
[05:04] <HcE> don't have any experience with apache1 in ubuntu, I'm just a "new" user like everybody else
[05:04] <HcE> I would look into the default settings and check for some strict rules
[05:08] <ema> HcE: the server name was localhost rather than the machine name, pointing the browser to http://localhost/ works fine even with scripts owned by a normal user
[05:09] <HcE> ema: ok, changing the servername will make it work for the ServerName?
[05:10] <ema> HcE: yep. it does not explain why scripts owned by root worked fine...
[05:11] <ema> HcE: but it works :)
[05:11] <ema> HcE: thanks
[05:18] <dropster> hi anyone could help a noob about mpeg libs ?
[05:20] <lamont> dieman: looking at 1620 (hwclock stall)
[05:20] <lamont> thoughts?
[05:20] <schvenk> is there a GUI configuration tool for the samba server?
[05:20] <lamont> I suppose I could just do a timed read on it..
[05:21] <Mithrandir> maswan: on ravel?
[05:23] <elim> help i keep recieving this error message when i try to play music with totem Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist.
[05:24] <elim> "Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist."
[05:24] <elim> any advise?
[05:25] <psyklops> go see if it exists?
[05:25] <dropster> i cant play mpegs in totem, something that is needed to get this done ??
[05:25] <HcE> elim: missing alsa drivers?
[05:25] <psyklops> dropster
[05:25] <psyklops> try playing it again
[05:25] <psyklops> sometimes it takes 2 tries... I dunno why
[05:25] <dropster> i have tried reboots and cursing .....
[05:25] <elim> i have alsa is installed with everything... ill try it again ok
[05:26] <psyklops> try totem-xine
[05:26] <dropster> via apt-get ?
[05:26] <psyklops> yeag
[05:26] <psyklops> yeah
[05:27] <psyklops> and when you play, do it through the terminal, maybe you'll see some errors
[05:28] <dropster> it gives an error about package not avail, maybe its because i run the amd64 release ?
[05:28] <dropster> which runs very nicely here :)
[05:28] <psyklops> try apt-cache search xine
[05:28] <elim> ok, i have just installed normal totem not gstreamer and hoepefully when its installed it will work.
[05:28] <psyklops> ...?
[05:28] <psyklops> oh... I wasn't talking to you, elim
[05:29] <psyklops> but hey, if using totem fixes it, I'll take the glory
[05:29] <dropster> hmm totem-xine isnt there - only totem-gstreamer and some libs - maybe libxinel ?
[05:30] <elim> but hay it worked even if u werent
[05:30] <psyklops> elim: YAYYYY
[05:30] <elim> thanks
[05:30] <psyklops> I r so smrt
[05:31] <psyklops> (wow... too much coffee)
[05:31] <psyklops> dropster: run totem in a terminal
[05:32] <dropster> still no do, sounds fine though ....
[05:33] <psyklops> it shows a blue screen?
[05:33] <Kamel> i am a bit curious, would you say that ubuntu is closer in style to slackware or mandrake?
[05:33] <dropster> i tried apt-get install libxinel but it cant find the package
[05:33] <elim> neither
[05:33] <dropster> nope the screens all black
[05:33] <elim> its like debian
[05:33] <Kamel> i see
[05:33] <psyklops> dropster: you don't see any errors in the terminal?
[05:33] <Kamel> i haven't gotten the chance to try it yet, but i want to
[05:34] <dropster> nope nada
[05:34] <psyklops> dropster: I don't know how to help you
[05:34] <jeld> hello all
[05:34] <elim> hi
[05:36] <elim> im watching blade 11
[05:37] <elim> kinda off topic but hay..
[05:37] <jeld> :)
[05:38] <dropster> ill try apt-get upgrade and hope
[05:38] <jeld> dropster: whats up?
[05:38] <dropster> jeld: cant get totem to play mpegs
[05:38] <dropster> jeld: sound is fine but just black screen
[05:38] <elim> mplayer
[05:38] <jeld> dropster: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[05:39] <dropster> jeld: totem-gstreamer
[05:39] <jeld> dropster: replace with totem-xine, it is more stable
[05:39] <dropster> jeld: this is the amd64 version of ubuntu
[05:39] <dropster> jeld: apt-get says that totem-xine doesnt exists
[05:39] <jeld> oh, in that case I just don't know enough about x64 platform
[05:40] <dieman> lamont: ahh
[05:40] <dieman> lamont: i'll be back in the office RSN
[05:40] <dieman> lamont: we can troubleshoot this afternoon if you want
[05:40] <dieman> im currently trying to recover a firewall for another department
[05:40] <dieman> hw dead
[05:42] <psyklops> try compiling from source or googling for some amd64 players
[05:42] <psyklops> (in deb format)
[05:42] <psyklops> or rpm, actually... if you got alien
[05:42] <dropster> ill try this upgrade first maybe it fixes the problem
[05:42] <psyklops> heh... I did that once and ended up with a system that was totally borked
[05:43] <dropster> live and learn :)
[05:43] <psyklops> that was knoppix though
[05:43] <dropster> i did a little mistake when i bought my mobo though
[05:43] <lamont> dieman: that'd be good.
[05:44] <dropster> bought the asus a8v-deluxe with wifi - and the ralink chip isnt supported yet in freebsd
[05:44] <dropster> ralink have released a linux kernel driver
[05:50] <tof_> which burning software can ii use with ubuntu ?
[05:50] <Kamel> well, this is just a complete stab in the dark here, but i would think probably cdrecord and k3b
[05:52] <dropster> well the system still running, but ni pics in mpegs :) LOL
[05:52] <FluFlo> dropster: that driver is really bad
[05:52] <convertor> will ppc ubuntu work on old ppc - e.g.  5260 or 7200 or 5500?
[05:52] <dropster> fluflo: the rlink one ??
[05:52] <FluFlo> dropster: yes. I was not able to compile it
[05:53] <Kamion> convertor: no, sorry, newworld only
[05:53] <FluFlo> dropster: im using windows drivers with ndiswrapper and works ok
[05:53] <dropster> i havent tried it yet, i was thinking of doind it
[05:53] <FluFlo> dropster: but i  think the problems come from my fedora kernel
[05:53] <xf> howdy
[05:54] <dropster> fluflo: ok im also running freebsd on this box and its completely impossible to get the thing to work(at least for me)
[05:54] <convertor> Kamion, ok thanks - worth a shot....got all 3 sitting around trying to be boat anchors....
[05:54] <FluFlo> dropster: I know people using native linux driver with mandrake and debian  succesfuly
[05:54] <xf> curious what the status of your amd64 installer is like; is it a usable desktop system or highly experimental currently?
[05:55] <daniels> xf: should work fine as a desktop; the only real hassle is that you need to manually pick your resolution as we can't yet autodetect it on amd64
[05:55] <convertor> Kamion, how the installs going on g3/g4 macs?
[05:55] <Kamion> xf: it's a usable desktop, I have it on the right-hand monitor right now
[05:55] <xf> daniels: daniel stone?
[05:55] <xf> oh, cool, might install it then.  playing with gentoo now, hating it :-)
[05:55] <daniels> xf: ye
[05:55] <daniels> s
[05:55] <xf> oh, hi, ryan verner
[05:55] <Kamion> convertor: no problems I know of, my main development system is a G4 PowerBook
[05:55] <daniels> xf: oh, hey dude :)
[05:55] <xf> wait a second, is this the distro jeff waugh's working on?
[05:55] <xf> if it is, this is amusing
[05:56] <daniels> xf: sure is
[05:56] <xf> haha
[05:56] <xf> i've had it on my todo list to ask jeff about the distro he's been working on, and to install this as i heard about it
[05:56] <xf> jeff was talking about it @ la/lca meeting recently in canberra
[05:56] <convertor> Kamion, cool got it going on my g3 350 imac w 1gig ram...had no probs...i love ubuntu and a couple of p3's
[05:57] <xf> does ubuntu work with many third party sid apt repositries?
[05:57] <Telep> convertor: you love ubuntu and a couple of p3's? ;)
[05:57] <convertor> Kamion, not love p3's :(
[05:57] <convertor> Kamion, just writing my correction and u got in first... :)
[05:57] <Telep> sorry, couldn'n resist :)
[05:57] <convertor> yea good call... :)
[05:58] <maswan> Mithrandir: yes. it was so bad that it didn't really manage to write most pages to disk
[05:58] <daniels> xf: most of them aren't amd64, anyway
[05:59] <convertor> cant wait for the ppc64 version....and i will say i love g5's :)
[05:59] <xf> oh, haha, good point
[06:01] <maswan> Mithrandir: checking the disk with badblocks now
[06:03] <Wsquare1> GAIM/IRC noob question: why is /nick changing the last character of my nick to 1?
[06:03] <Kamion> (why do people say "noob" rather than "newbie"?)
[06:04] <Tybstar> Wsquare1: because Wsquare is already taken?
[06:04] <Tybstar> or was?
[06:04] <UziMonkey> because that's how it's spelled..  if you think otherwise, you don't IRC enough ;)
[06:04] <Kamion> (for that matter, I always preferred not to call people's attention to it when I was being a newbie ...)
[06:04] <Wsquare1> Kamion: ... because noob is _so_ much less to type?
[06:04] <Wsquare1> ummm... nevermind
[06:04] <daesotho> bronzepony35
[06:05] <daesotho> lambda1001
[06:05] <daesotho> ...sorry, wrong window
[06:05] <dropster> another question, the Xwindow system header files
[06:05] <dropster> where 2 get ?
[06:06] <Kamion> xlibs-dev package
[06:06] <Kamion> UziMonkey: it was never spelled that way when I started using IRC six years ago or so ...
[06:06] <dropster> ive looked in synaptics under Development but cant see it anywhere
[06:06] <daesotho> hey does ubuntu install debian so i can like install ubuntu and then have a debian system or what?
[06:06] <Kamion> dropster: it's not on the CD, you'll need to have the archive.ubuntulinux.org main repository enabled
[06:07] <daesotho> (well, when i change the sources.list)
[06:07] <Kamion> daesotho: not really, no
[06:07] <dropster> kamion: sorry but how do i do that ??
[06:08] <Kamion> daesotho: you may be able to do an upgrade run that switches to Debian, but you'll probably run into problems
[06:08] <ema> |trey|: do you remember my question about the 'standard' package list?
[06:08] <WW_> Another newb (sic) question: When I run xdvi, the top of the xdvi window is flush against the upper task bar, and the bottom of the window is _behind_ the lower task bar, so I can't resize it.  How can I fix this?
[06:08] <ema> |trey|: it seems that is a tasksel task
[06:08] <Kamion> dropster: Preferences -> Repositories in synaptic I think, sorry my Ubuntu systems are busy doing installer testing right now
[06:08] <Kamion> ema: aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <Kamion> or you can get at it in the "Tasks" section of the aptitude UI
[06:09] <ema> Kamion: or running tasksel, right?
[06:09] <Kamion> ema: we don't support/ship tasksel, and we haven't modified it to know about the ubuntu-desktop task, so I doubt it
[06:10] <ema> Kamion: well, running tasksel I read 'Ubuntu Configuration', so it seems modified
[06:11] <dropster> kamion: somehow the url http://archive.ubuntulinux.org doesnt work ??
[06:11] <dropster> kamion: it cant find the indexes
[06:11] <Kamion> ema: you sure that's tasksel?
[06:11] <Kamion> dropster: what is the line in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:11] <ema> Kamion: sudo tasksel, yep :)
[06:11] <Kamion> ema: you must have installed that yourself; it's not in warty proper, only in universe
[06:11] <dropster> ive added it in synpatic
[06:12] <ema> Kamion: yep, I installed it from universe
[06:12] <schvenk> have other people had trouble mounting smb shares in nautilus?
[06:12] <WW_> Wouldn't it be a bug if the window manager is starting a window with part of it behind the lower task bar?
[06:13] <maswan> Mithrandir: seems to be working perfectly now, so an issue with the install kernel probably.
[06:13] <Kamion> ema: the "Ubuntu Configuration" string is a modification to our debconf package, not to tasksel
[06:13] <ema> Kamion: ah, ok
[06:13] <maswan> Mithrandir: I'll let it run badblocks over the night anyway, more stuff tomorrow
[06:14] <theantix> evolution 2.0 is *so much* better than 1.4
[06:15] <cliff> I'll find out shortly
[06:15] <WW_> Arghhh... I clicked on "On Top" for the xdvi window, and now I see that the bottom of the window is off the screen.
[06:16] <ema> Kamion: out of curiosity: how do you upload packages? is there something similar to debian's upload queues?
[06:17] <Kamion> ema: pretty much, except we always just upload directly to the master archive
[06:17] <WW_> Well, I can work around it by explicitly giving the -geometry option to xdvi, but that is a nuisance.
[06:17] <Kamion> ema: the archive management software is the same as Debian's
[06:18] <ema> Kamion: is there some documentation around about this stuff? I would like to learn more about your infrastructure
[06:18] <Is_907> is the PPC version of ubuntu a bootable cd image? or is it painful to set up like most PPC distros?
[06:18] <Kamion> ema: not really at the moment, it'll start existing once we start having non-Canonical Ubuntu maintainers
[06:19] <Kamion> Is_907: it's a bootable CD image
[06:19] <Is_907> Kamion: excellent, thanks ;)
[06:19] <Kamion> Is_907: newworld powermac only, though
[06:19] <Is_907> right
[06:19] <dropster> kamion: i have uncommented the universe lines in sources.list and in synaptics theres a bunch of new stuff although it gave lots of errors
[06:20] <Kamion> should be no more difficult to install than i386/amd64; there's one nit in partitioning that you need to be aware of if you aren't just erasing the whole disk, see the installation howto on the web site
[06:20] <ema> Kamion: ah, thanks
[06:20] <Icept> so, what's the status on the WinXP - Ubuntu dual boot w. GRUB?
[06:21] <Kamion> I thought that was a parted issue, not grub
[06:21] <Kamion> I'm looking at it
[06:21] <Icept> oh, great
[06:21] <Kamion> trying to figure out which of the several alternatives is least dangerous to backport
[06:21] <Icept> I don't have much experience, but I'm a victim :)
[06:21] <Kamion> Icept: is this just the "parted trashes C/H/S layout" thing?
[06:22] <Icept> I would assume so
[06:22] <Kamion> Icept: I mean, is WinXP currently unbootable for you?
[06:22] <Icept> yep
[06:23] <Icept> I looked around at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <Icept> and ended at this page http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[06:23] <Kamion> I was just about to point you at that
[06:23] <Icept> which recommended these commands to fix harddisk geometry - sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[06:23] <Icept> hehe
[06:23] <Kamion> Icept: so, can you use the instructions there to get yourself back to a working system?
[06:24] <Kamion> Icept: if you can, you could then test future CD images to make sure they no longer trash the partition table ...
[06:24] <Icept> sure
[06:24] <dropster> kamion: got it to work, thx for the pointers
[06:24] <infoMonkey> anyone have experience mounting SMB volumes via nautlius?
[06:24] <Kamion> Icept: can you mail me contact details so that I can grab you if you aren't currently on IRC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:25] <Icept> of course
[06:25] <Kamion> ta
[06:25] <Icept> np
[06:25] <Kamion> Icept: I have no machines where this could even start to be reproducible, unfortunately
[06:25] <Icept> ah ok
[06:26] <Icept> Mainly because of the operating systems in question? :D
[06:26] <Kamion> well, that's one big reason :-)
[06:26] <Kamion> I don't actually own a copy of Windows
[06:26] <Icept> I wish I hadn't become addicted to games
[06:27] <Icept> I wouldn't need one either
[06:28] <laotse> Icept get a console system
[06:28] <laotse> Icept then you can play games, and you don't need windows :)
[06:28] <Icept> funny you should mention it, I just bought a PS2 for Disgaea
[06:29] <Icept> and of course, they then announce the new slim PStwo
[06:29] <laotse> aaah! disgaea is *great*. by the way, the RPG "Nocturne" that's coming out next week for ps2 is by the same company, and is supposed to be really good, if you are into rpgs
[06:29] <Icept> okay, cool
[06:29] <laotse> don't worry about the slim ps2, it has no hard drive bay, keep the one you got so when you're done with it you can stick a drive in it and put linux on it ;)
[06:29] <Icept> lol
[06:29] <kagou> hi guys
[06:29] <Icept> and we come full circle
[06:29] <laotse> haha
[06:30] <laotse> Icept my dreamcast, which was my last gaming system, now runs linux
[06:30] <laotse> Icept once the ps3 comes out, that will probably be the fate of my ps2 as well ;)
[06:30] <Icept> nice
[06:31] <laotse> but yeah, I've been an RPG fan since Wizardry 1, got sick of having to have windows for games, and the ps2 has a ton of great rpgs
[06:31] <laotse> so, picked up the ps2, wiped windows off my gaming box, and I'm happy
[06:31] <Icept> yes, that's mainly the reason I got the PS2 over the other consoles
[06:31] <mic_> Hi All
[06:32] <mic_> is the AMD64 Vesrsion a hybrid..can run 32Bit apps?
[06:33] <hawksmoor> hi all
[06:33] <hawksmoor> ciao fabbione
[06:37] <Kamion> hm, people seem to mistakenly assign bugs to "base-installer" an awful lot
[06:38] <thom> Kamion: but all bugs are your fault ;-)
[06:39] <Kamion> I wouldn't mind so much if they assigned them to "debian-installer"; base-installer is a really specific component of d-i though
[06:39] <Icept> hmm, I wonder if I'm doing this correctly
[06:40] <Kosai> Kamion: Ubuntu bugs, or Debian ones?  I can see someone assigning an Ubuntu install bug to base-install instead of debian-installer, thinking that debian-installer is, well, for the Debian one.
[06:40] <Kamion> Kosai: Ubuntu bugs, and yeah ...
[06:40] <Kamion> people should use UNKNOWN if they don't know, not try to guess :-)
[06:41] <defendguin> i thought i installed the newest kernel but i dont see that it was added to me grob config file
[06:41] <defendguin> grub
[06:41] <Kosai> Kamion: Or you could change debian-installer to ubuntu-installer.  Or make ubuntu-installer an alias of debian-installer just to help people pick the right component.  Or.
[06:42] <Kamion> Kosai: *so* not renaming debian-installer :-)
[06:42] <infoMonkey> anyone have problems mounting SMB volumes via nautilus?
[06:42] <Kosai> hee
[06:42] <Kamion> I'd rather people just went for UNKNOWN to be honest, since not all installer problems are actually in d-i
[06:50] <hawksmoor> are there some bugs regarding the use of "su" that you know of? I'm feeling a little dumb 'cos it seems I can't find anything form bugzilla :-(
[06:51] <Kamion> hawksmoor: the root account is disabled by default ...
[06:51] <theantix> hawksmoor,, try "sudo -s" to get a root terminal
[06:51] <hawksmoor> right, but using sudo you can set a password for root
[06:53] <formula> wenas
[06:55] <ish> I'm trying to change my gnome window manager with gconf-editor..
[06:55] <ish> After login, it always gets set back to metacity.
[06:56] <Keybuk> ish: which key are you changing ?!
[06:56] <Keybuk> the fallback one?
[06:57] <Icept> I feel like such an idiot
[06:57] <ish>  - /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current..
[06:57] <ish> AHH..
[06:57] <ish> hang on.
[06:57] <Icept> My entire beef with dualbooting was solved by changing a bios value
[06:58] <Keybuk> the right way to do it is just exit metacity in your session and start another window manager instead; when you logout the session will be saved (with the change in window manager)
[06:58] <hawksmoor> Kamion: what I mean is that I have a fat32 partition mounted under /windows and it is owned by root with everything inside and the system won't let me change permissions, though I used su to gain superuser privileges
[06:59] <UziMonkey> fat32 doesn't have permissions, I don't think it makes sense to try to change perms on the files in a fat32 filesystem
[07:00] <hawksmoor> it makes sense if there are some files that you want to use and you can't 'cos they are owned by root!
[07:01] <daniels> hawksmoor: try mounting with -o uid=1000
[07:01] <Kamion> yes, uid/umask mount options are the usual hack
[07:01] <ish> How do you exit metacity?
[07:02] <hawksmoor> daniels: I'll try soon, now I'm on my iMac
[07:03] <Keybuk> ish: normally the window manager you wish to replace it with will have some kind of "--replace" option or similar to replace the running window manager
[07:03] <hawksmoor> daniels: mount as root?
[07:03] <MyKq3> hello
[07:04] <daniels> hawksmoor: right
[07:04] <Kamion> Icept: so, your system works again?
[07:04] <Kamion> Icept: I'm presuming that another attempt to install Ubuntu will kill dual-booting again
[07:04] <ish> metacity still gets control..
[07:06] <MyKq3> i have a problem seeing movies on ububtu for some resone i can manage to load the movie but i c a blank screen. i can hear the soundz but there is no pucture ... what should i do ( i have all reasy installed mpg123 mpg321 codecs )
[07:08] <Icept> Kamion: sorry, was just out fixing some dinner. However, I strongly doubt it
[07:08] <Kamion> Icept: why?
[07:08] <Icept> Mainly because it was a BIOS setting
[07:08] <Icept> that changed the outcome
[07:08] <Kamion> Icept: can it be turned back? In order for your system to be useful for testing, it needs to break ...
[07:09] <Icept> I'll wipe the partition and reinstall
[07:09] <Kamion> Icept: I didn't think the directions at http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ involved the BIOS
[07:09] <Icept> no
[07:09] <Icept> which is why it's interesting
[07:10] <Kamion> what BIOS setting, then?
[07:10] <Icept> the BIOS fix was mentioned in the Fedora Bugzilla linked off Ubuntu's own
[07:10] <Icept> two secs
[07:10] <Kamion> auto->LBA, you mean?
[07:10] <Icept> correct
[07:10] <Kamion> Icept: I think you need to use the directions from LWN before reinstalling, otherwise the drive geometry will still be broken
[07:11] <Kamion> (even with a fixed parted)
[07:11] <Icept> hmm
[07:11] <Kamion> (although I wouldn't swear to it)
[07:11] <Icept> I did do the steps mentioned, but that alone didn't fix it
[07:11] <Icept> however, I did do this before I changed the bios setting
[07:11] <Icept> so perhaps both are nescessary
[07:12] <Kamion> hmm
[07:12] <Kamion> basically in order to validate the fix we need to have a system which can have Ubuntu installed and break Windows, then fix things, then have Ubuntu installed and break Windows, then fix things, then have modified-Ubuntu installed and test that it doesn't break Windows