[03:20] <squirrelpimp> Vivid-DE: and gkrellm and adesklets
[03:20] <JoeBlow> mostly Pils
[03:20] <squirrelpimp> Pils rox
[03:20] <squirrelpimp> but Premium Pils even more
[03:21] <Vivid-DE> @squirrelpimp: is gkrellm and adesklets priceless??
[03:21] <lowman62> JoeBlow: can you get black and tans there?
[03:21] <Jowi> *slightly* offtopic, but Irish beer rule. I'm talking real beer here, not lager.
[03:21] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: qemu -hda /dev/hdb1 -cdrom /dev/cdrom -boot d
[03:21] <mwe> do you gues actually find qemu usable? for me it's so slow I gave up using it even with kqemu
[03:22] <lowman62> Jowi: if you are talking about beer ..as far as I am concerned you are on topic :P
[03:22] <JoeBlow> lowman62: most of the beer is black, aged one to two years
[03:22] <Vernon_> german beer is very light, i don't like it so much. better netherland, danish and irish imho
[03:22] <squirrelpimp> Vivid-DE: what do you mean by priceless???
[03:22] <Jowi> mwe: just installing win98se with it now. amasingly slow. never did get kqemu to compile at all (used the wiki). i've yet to see if it is usable. have to wait until the install is done.
[03:23] <lowman62> JoeBlow: I love beer..dark beer that most would think was nasty...I love it..black and tans rock
[03:23] <AndyL> hi all
[03:23] <Hawk|-> Vivid-DE, gkrellm is opensource
[03:23] <Jowi> mwe: tried to install Zeta RC3 that didn't work at all.
[03:23] <AndyL> does anyone remember how to get a wireless nic configured in MS Windows Me?
[03:23] <JoeBlow> lowman62: I prefer black too, but with good ole candy, lol
[03:23] <JoeBlow> lowman62: we eat it with like gummy bears and shit
[03:23] <Jowi> lowman62: Mmmm, oh yeah. stop it now or I have to go to the shop.
[03:23] <Syruss> AndyL: #windowsme
[03:23] <Syruss> :/
[03:23] <lowman62> JoeBlow: knows what you mean LOL
[03:23] <Hawk|-> AndyL, what is WindowsMe?
[03:23] <blue-frog> AndyL, try windows channel
[03:24] <JoeBlow> lowman62: Becks is a good introductory german beer
[03:24] <lowman62> AndyL: yes I do...install winxp...:P
[03:24] <JoeBlow> lowman62: Before u go dark
[03:24] <Syruss> select clue from people;
[03:24] <Syruss> :/
[03:24] <bitkid_> i will tell you about austrian beer, if you help me afterwards with openvpn ;)
[03:24] <AndyL> lowman62, lol
[03:24] <docta_v> AndyL: you need to install whatever utility the vendor provides for that
[03:24] <kameron> you guys have it all wrong. canadian beer or bust.
[03:24] <deltron> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:24] <AndyL> the driver is installed, it the network config I can't remember
[03:24] <JoeBlow> but qemu will not work with games
[03:24] <lowman62> kameron: I am CANADIAN :D
[03:25] <docta_v> AndyL: i said utility not driver
[03:25] <JoeBlow> lowman62: ever get any good BC Bud
[03:25] <lowman62> kameron: I just live in savannah
[03:25] <ves_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=632618 :(
[03:25] <kameron> lowman63: #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:25] <lowman62> JoeBlow: nah! I quit that stuff when I moved to the states...they do pee tests so..I had to grow up :P
[03:25] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: use cedega for games, not any VM!
[03:26] <lowman62> sorry kameron...back on topic
[03:26] <imrabti> Hello
[03:26] <imrabti> My firefox is very Slow In Ubuntu
[03:26] <imrabti> can Any one Help
[03:26] <imrabti> Please
[03:26] <kameron> lowman62: it's cool, just saying.. let's chat in offtopic!
[03:26] <Vernon_> imrabti: search in google "firefox turbo"
[03:26] <lowman62> kameron ;)
[03:26] <JoeBlow> vernon_, Id like to just native install, but the binary i need's server is down
[03:26] <imrabti> i've 512 Mo in RAM
[03:27] <imrabti> and Pentium III 850 MHZ
[03:27] <JoeBlow> vernon_, I had trouble with cvscedega
[03:27] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: network troubles?
[03:27] <JoeBlow> vernon_, when i go to load a profile, it says authintication error
[03:27] <imrabti> Please can anyone Help
[03:27] <lowman62> imrabti: I have never heard of that problem...anyone in here hear of this?
[03:28] <JoeBlow> vernon_, ever hear of that?
[03:28] <imrabti> he make slow my gnome desktop slow
[03:28] <lowman62> imrabti: when you say slow do you mean slow to start?
[03:28] <imrabti> no
[03:28] <imrabti> slow to use
[03:28] <kameron> imrabti: what kind of internet connection do you have?
[03:29] <lowman62> imrabti what version is it?
[03:29] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: when i was in trouble i haved reinstalled it ex novo
[03:29] <imrabti> It load rapidly the Web Page
[03:29] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, ex novo?
[03:29] <imrabti> but when i open a lot of Tab it becam slow
[03:29] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: like "brand new installation"
[03:29] <Sonderblade> i have changed my hostname with sudo hostname foobar, how do i change it back? sudo doesn't work anymore
[03:29] <imrabti> I've a 8 Mo of VRAM
[03:30] <ploom> Pentium III 500, 384 ram
[03:30] <imrabti> no
[03:30] <trappist> Sonderblade: reboot
[03:30] <JoeBlow> Vernon_ , ill try it
[03:30] <JoeBlow> Vernon_ , alright, im in windows setup
[03:30] <imrabti> Pentium II 850MHZ and 512 Ram and 8MO of VRAM
[03:30] <ploom> my firefox quite slow also...
[03:30] <Sonderblade> trappist: no other way?
[03:30] <lowman62> imrabti: hrrmm don't open so many tabs?
[03:30] <imrabti> It is a laptop PC
[03:30] <Vernon_> imrabti: maybe it is due to many jscripts in the webpages. it's normal
[03:30] <imrabti> Toshiba Satellite 1800-700
[03:30] <trappist> Sonderblade: when sudo quits working your options are pretty limited
[03:31] <imrabti> Perphaps
[03:31] <ploom> the 1.07 firefox...
[03:31] <imrabti> but
[03:31] <imrabti> Yes 1.07
[03:31] <lowman62> imrabti running ubuntu?
[03:31] <imrabti> Yes
[03:31] <TTilus> imrabti: update
[03:31] <imrabti> Yes
[03:31] <imrabti> updated
[03:31] <TTilus> imrabti: dist-upgrade  :)
[03:31] <imrabti> but i've only firefox 1.07 not 1.5
[03:32] <lowman62> imrabti: if you update first read the wiki on updating to 1.5 version of firefox...or you will have more problems than you got now
[03:32] <JoeBlow> Vernon_ , now i decided for games im just gonna run straight windows, how do i run linux in a window on windows?
[03:32] <markitoxs> hi everyone
[03:32] <imrabti> My CPU work 100% when i'm using firefox<
[03:32] <imrabti> That is the problem
[03:33] <trappist> imrabti: have you installed any extensions?
[03:33] <imrabti> it just like i'm running a 3 D game or something like this
[03:33] <markitoxs> i'm trying to read a windows recorded cdrom, but the file was "hideen" in windows, and i can't even see it,
[03:33] <imrabti> No
[03:33] <imrabti> any extension
[03:33] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: wmware, bochs. or install cygwin, a posix layer and gnu system on windows
[03:33] <lowman62> imrabti: I am not sure what would be causing that
[03:33] <markitoxs> anyideaS?
[03:33] <trappist> markitoxs: use the 'unhide' option in your fstab or mount command
[03:33] <imrabti> also in Kde i've the same problme
[03:33] <markitoxs> trappist, mount -unhide ?
[03:34] <trappist> markitoxs: mount -o unhide
[03:34] <lowman62> imrabti: try upgrading it but forst read the wiki on upgrading to 1.5
[03:34] <imrabti> I've the minimal requirememnt in my system
[03:34] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: you'll use, in example, ifconfig to change your windowsxp-box ip ;)
[03:34] <Jowi> imrabti: sounds nasty. how about trying another browser to see if there's any difference?
[03:34] <imrabti> Yes I'me using Galeon
[03:34] <JoeBlow> Vernon_ , so whats the easiest way to do it where I can access my current ubuntu system?
[03:34] <imrabti> il work perfectly fast
[03:34] <ves_> Sorry to repeat again, but could somebody URGENTLY help me? :( I ctrl+c'd during a make install by accident and it has totally destroyed my pc, typing 'ls' 'cd' etc gives a persmission denied, and after reboot it wont even log me in.
[03:34] <ves_> Will I need a reinstall or can it be saved?
[03:34] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: wmware, i suppose
[03:35] <markitoxs> trappist, how, cool, thx a lot
[03:35] <Jowi> ves_: what did you install?
[03:35] <blue-frog> ves_, what were u installing?
[03:35] <Despen> kameron: It might work with libflac7.. But How od I reconfigure so it tries to use libfalc7 instead of libflac6?
[03:35] <trappist> ves_: reboot, select rescue mode at the grub prompt.  it'll take you directly to a root shell, no login.
[03:35] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, alright
[03:35] <ves_> It was errr, banshee
[03:35] <kameron> despen:hmm. i'll look into that more for you. what's the program name called again? brb in a minute.
[03:35] <ves_> k
[03:35] <ves_> I'm on a live cd now, but I'll reboot
[03:36] <Despen> kameron: ScummVM 0.80
[03:36] <ves_> trappist: I think I've set my timeout so low I'm not getting a prompt
[03:37] <ves_> from grub, it just boots
[03:37] <lowman62> ves_: I did that once..was phun to say the least..rescue mode and chmod permissions
[03:37] <ves_> lowman62: oh thank god :)
[03:37] <ves_> everything get resolved?
[03:37] <lowman62> ves_: I am still using it now
[03:37] <ves_> that's good news
[03:37] <ves_> :)
[03:38] <lowman62> ves_: was brain salad surgery to fix it though :P
[03:38] <ves_> eugh :/
[03:38] <ves_> I can't even get into rescue mode, can I boot of a disk or something?
[03:38] <lowman62> brb phone
[03:38] <blue-frog> install disk type rescue
[03:38] <ves_> k
[03:39] <kent> is there any shortcut for minimizing a window in Gnome?  I know alt+f10 for maximizing it - but it would be nice with one to minimize it to the panel aswell.
[03:39] <blue-frog> alt F9
[03:40] <kent> blue-frog, thanks
[03:40] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, do i install my windows drivers into my qemu windows?
[03:40] <blue-frog> and alt F5 back to the state it was
[03:40] <NotF> hey, how do you burn a cd in ubuntu?
[03:41] <JoeBlow> NotF: get GnomeBaker from synaptic
[03:41] <DanglyBits> just downloaded dapper ubuntu flight2 and cannot get the network connection to work right...anyone know what the deal is with that?
[03:41] <NotF> ok, thanks
[03:41] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: no. you must use the virtual-emulated-hardware of qemu
[03:41] <Jowi> NotF: there are several ways. cdrecord (terminal) graveman is nice in X
[03:41] <Vernon_> a vga cirrus logic 4mb
[03:42] <ves_> ok I've hit the rescue prompt and most of my stuff still seems to be there
[03:42] <ves_> lowman62: any chance you remember what you chmod'd? :)
[03:42] <nics__> DanglyBits: make sure that it is enabled, everytime I install dapper it leaves the connection disabled on reboot
[03:42] <Micksa> okay, so
[03:42] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, what about when i boot straight to windows?
[03:42] <Micksa> anyone care to help me get cups set up to print to a SMB printer?
[03:42] <NotF> what kind of package do I need to use in ubuntu?
[03:43] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: a new hardware search
[03:43] <DanglyBits> nics__:how do i ensure its enabled?
[03:43] <jenda> !nvidia
[03:43] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[03:43] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, so when i use it with qemu just leave it alone, but when i boot straight install my drivers?
[03:43] <Jowi> !info graveman
[03:43] <ubotu> graveman: (graphical tool to burn dvd and cd, gtk based), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3.12-4-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 689 kB, Installed size: 2428 kB
[03:43] <nics__> DanglyBits: System->Administration->Networking
[03:43] <ves_> my systems uptime was like 2 months, too :/
[03:44] <podz> Hi, in xchat when I right click to 'Open in web browser' it's opening a terminal. Can someone tell me how to make it do what it says please ?
[03:44] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: drivers for your native hardware are installed. it will check and use it
[03:45] <Jowi> podz: try rightclick -> mozilla firefox -> your coice
[03:45] <DanglyBits> where can i find the latest Dapper 64bit install iso?
[03:45] <kameron> Despen: i just thought of a new idea. you can make a symbolic link to libflac7 from libflac6
[03:45] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: in other words, no need of reinstall drivers
[03:45] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, windows requires special drivers for my sound card tho
[03:45] <Jowi> podz: for me, both options work fine
[03:46] <ves_> everyones abandoned me :/
[03:46] <kameron> despen: install libflac7, then 'locate libflac' and find out where it is. and in the same directory, do this: 'ln -s libflac6 libflac7'
[03:46] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: forget to use multimedia stuff on qemu-ed windows
[03:46] <podz> Jowi, cheers that right-click, then select works :)
[03:46] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, argh, ok
[03:46] <kameron> ves_ never, what do youi need?
[03:46] <NotF> gayserver
[03:46] <NotF> gayserver
[03:46] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <kameron> NotF: stop
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <mustard5> !ops
[03:47] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[03:47] <kameron> NotF: please stop
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: maybe exist a sound wrapper but honestly i don't know about it
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <ves_> I destroyed my install by ctrl+c'ing during a make install, I've hit rescue prompt but not sure what to do next
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayserver
[03:47] <Vernon_> !ops
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayservergayserver
[03:47] <Jowi> ves_: maybe try to undo what you did :)
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayservergayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:47] <NotF> gayserver
[03:48] <ves_> Jowi: how'd you mean try and make install again fully?
[03:48] <NotF> gayserver
[03:48] <mustard5> thanks fabbione
[03:48] <kameron> NotF: please STOP
[03:48] <Blue-Omega> fabbione, thanks
[03:48] <Jowi> ves_: what exactly did (almost) you install?
[03:48] <fabbione> no problem
[03:48] <Vernon_> grazie fabbione
[03:48] <fabbione> * #ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:Channel ban list is full
[03:48] <fabbione> wow
[03:48] <ves_> Jowi: it was banshee
[03:48] <Blue-Omega> :o
[03:48] <JoeBlow> ouch does that kinda stuff happen alot
[03:48] <kameron> Despen: i don't know if you got what i said, there was a bit of a flood.. scroll up
[03:48] <mustard5> JoeBlow, often enough :)
[03:48] <Jowi> ves_: the 3dfx drivers?
[03:49] <ves_> Jowi: no, the recently new mono music app
[03:49] <Jowi> ves_: ah, ok.
[03:49] <lowman62> ves_: you still here
[03:50] <ves_> lowman62: yeah
[03:50] <Jowi> ves_: mystery why a non-system app should mess it up. no idea how to correct that.
[03:50] <pureone> hi
[03:50] <ves_> hmm :/
[03:50] <lowman62> ves_: sorry my wife called I had to answer the phone...now...what happened exactly?
[03:50] <pureone> does ubuntu come with bc43xx ?
[03:51] <kameron> pureone: the arbitrary precision calculator language?
[03:51] <ves_> lowman62: I was make installing banshee, ctrl+c'd by accident (wrong screen window) and then the whole system died with premission errors, ls, cp etc. I rebooted didn't start and couldn't login since my home directory gave an access denied. Root didn't login either with a password error.
[03:51] <pureone> no
[03:52] <pureone> i ment bcm43xx
[03:52] <lowman62> ves_: can you get to the login scree?
[03:52] <pureone> the wireless drivers for broadcom cards
[03:52] <kameron> pureone: not sure
[03:52] <lowman62> *screen
[03:52] <trappist> pureone: bcm4400
[03:52] <pureone> no others?
[03:52] <ves_> lowman62: yeah I could, I'm in rescue mode just now (booting off the install cd) and can see all my files
[03:52] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, ok did the cd part, nows the part where i dont use the cd, what command do i use to boot qemu now?
[03:52] <trappist> pureone: bcm4400 as a separate module - not sure what all's in the kernel
[03:53] <pureone> ok
[03:53] <lowman62> ves_: Ctrl+Alt+F1 from login screen...login at prompt username and password let me know when you are in there
[03:53] <pureone> i was under the impression that the bcm43xx module was included
[03:53] <podz> pureone, it doesn't support my FD7010 card
[03:53] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: change the boot parameter. set it to "-boot c"
[03:53] <lowman62> ves_: oh you are in rescue mode?
[03:53] <ves_> yeah
[03:53] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, k
[03:53] <lowman62> ves_: cd /home
[03:53] <ves_> I tried logging in but got a permission denied error from my home dir
[03:53] <ves_> lowman62: yeah
[03:54] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, qemu -hda /dev/hdb1  -boot c ??
[03:54] <lowman62> ls and let me know your profile name
[03:54] <ves_> 'gavin'
[03:54] <trappist> pureone: there's a builtin kernel module, b44, that's probably what you need
[03:54] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: add -cdrom /dev/cdrom
[03:54] <pureone> i got a bcm4306 card so i donno if that will work
[03:54] <pureone> well i got 3 of them cards...
[03:54] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: you don'tt boot from cd, but may it be usefull to have it available
[03:54] <imrabti> Ok
[03:54] <lowman62> okay do this.. sudo chmod 755 -R /home/gavin
[03:55] <imrabti> i've a probleme
[03:55] <pureone> but ill test the cd and see what happens
[03:55] <ves_> lowman62: k
[03:55] <imrabti> My graphics carte is not correctly configured
[03:55] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, it keeps flashing
[03:55] <imrabti> It is connected to PCI bus in xorg.conf
[03:55] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: cool :S
[03:55] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, lol, and not going anywhere
[03:55] <ves_> lowman62: it's done, is there a lot of that to go?
[03:55] <lowman62> ves_: then do this.. sudo chown gavin:gavin -R /home/gavin
[03:56] <imrabti> but in technical information about my laptop it is connected to a AGP Bus
[03:56] <ves_> lowman62: k
[03:56] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: have it wrote "windowsxp blah blah?"
[03:56] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, I cant read anythign on it, it keeps flashing and restarting itself
[03:56] <imrabti> And it suport OpenGL but OpenGl Application are so slow in my computer
[03:56] <lowman62> ves_: try booting up in normal mode and try login in
[03:56] <ves_> lowman62: oh wait sorry
[03:56] <imrabti> Please
[03:56] <ves_> it says cannot open sudoers persmission denied
[03:56] <imrabti> I want help
[03:56] <ves_> for 'chmod'
[03:57] <pureone> ves_ do it as root then..
[03:57] <BirdyKiller> hi... I'm having issues installing the nivida drivers on 2.6.12 for AMD64...  I've been following the directions from the wiki but I'm having trouble getting through the installer's issues with my source
[03:57] <ves_> I am as root
[03:57] <lowman62> okay you are no longer in your sudoers list hold on..I know there is a fix for that
[03:57] <ves_> drop the 'sudo'?
[03:57] <imrabti> please help
[03:57] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, should i just do it manually and then come back ?
[03:57] <BirdyKiller> i downloaded the source and untarred it but now it's saying "/include/linux/version.h" does not exist... most likely reason is that kernel source has not been configured
[03:57] <lowman62> ves_: no that happened to me..I just forget but I know where the answer is one second
[03:58] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: in other words?
[03:58] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, leave linux land, and let windows do its thing straight, and then come back to linux to run it qemu
[03:58] <ves_> k
[03:58] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: wait
[03:59] <kameron> anyone know where xmms-skins gets installed to? i thought it should be at /home/user/.xmms/Skins but it's not there.
[03:59] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, k
[03:59] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: you must configure bootloader, i suppose
[03:59] <Jowi> BirdyKiller: just a though, have you installed the kernel source?
[03:59] <stark-johan> what kind of themes can I download and use with ubuntu/gnome?
[03:59] <ves_> lowman62: oh, 'chown' works without the sudo
[03:59] <poningru> what?
[04:00] <Jowi> stark-johan: art.gnome.org
[04:00] <lowman62> ves_ do this .. type nano /etc/sudoers ..ass username to the list under the %admin entry in this format gavin ALL=(ALL)ALL
[04:00] <jenda> Seveas: There was this site that generated sources.list files... do you know where to find it?
[04:00] <lowman62> ass = as LOL
[04:00] <pureone> jenda, apt-setup
[04:00] <ves_> lowman62: k
[04:01] <lowman62> ves_: then reboot and login you are good to go
[04:01] <jenda> pureone: a website... is that a package?
[04:01] <pureone> its a program that configures /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:01] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, so how do i do that?
[04:01] <BirdyKiller> Jowi, I think so... I did apt-get install linux-kernel-source-2.6.12 I believe it was
[04:01] <lowman62> ves_ unless something else got messed up then we will have to fix that
[04:01] <BirdyKiller> that downloaded it to /usr/src as a .tar.bz2, then I untarred it....
[04:01] <Seveas> !tell jenda about easysource
[04:02] <ves_> lowman62: k bear with me :)
[04:02] <lowman62> ves_: take your time
[04:02] <Jowi> BirdyKiller: check if /usr/src/linux is pointint to your untarred linux source folder.
[04:02] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, I appreciate all the help
[04:02] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: grub o lilo?
[04:02] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, rh?
[04:03] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, eh?
[04:03] <luki922> siema
[04:03] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: your bootloader?
[04:03] <Sturgeon> any ideas what the following error means:
[04:03] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, some version of grub, the normal for ubuntu 5.10
[04:04] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, if i type grub o lilo it brings me into grub
[04:04] <jenda> What is the public opinion of Seveas' Repositories?
[04:04] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: 3 lines. better in query
[04:04] <jenda> *on
[04:04] <alen> hi, my 56k modem seems to disconect often, and when it does it wont let me econnect, and i have to restart my computer
[04:04] <Seveas> jenda, use at own risk, no guarantee, they work for most
[04:04] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, eh?
[04:04] <Seveas> same as for any 3rd party repo
[04:04] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, pm u mean?
[04:05] <jenda> Seveas: I know, that's why I ask for the reputation :)
[04:05] <Jowi> Seveas: aren't you partly biased? ;-)
[04:05] <Seveas> Jowi, quite
[04:05] <ves_> lowman62: I can seem to change sudoers it wont let me change it cos its read only
[04:05] <Jowi> haha
[04:05] <sproingie> what's in Seveas's repos?
[04:05] <Seveas> I'd be the first to recommend my repo over any other with the same things in it
[04:05] <ves_> but I'm managed to get this directory chown'd and chmo'd just by dropping the 'sudo'
[04:05] <Sturgeon> any idea what this is?: ** (gnome-cups-icon:31474): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030
[04:05] <Seveas> since I know my packages :)
[04:05] <pureone> ves_, make sure you use visudo
[04:05] <ves_> 'visudo'?
[04:05] <Jowi> jenda: they are fine. nothing in there have broken anything for me
[04:05] <Sturgeon> I get tons of that in my .xsession-errors file
[04:05] <lowman62> ves_: my bad do exactly what i said but use sudo in front of it all
[04:05] <jenda> OK, sounds good enough
[04:05] <pureone> ves_ you do not need sudo if you are root!
[04:05] <jenda> thanks
[04:05] <pureone> man visudo
[04:06] <lowman62> hey ves_ are yo unot root?
[04:06] <Seveas> Jowi, but using 3rd party repos is always 'not recommended'
[04:06] <sproingie> Sturgeon: what's in these repos?  got a sources.list url?
[04:06] <C-O-L-T> I AM CURRENTLY AWAY
[04:06] <ves_> lowman62: I'm on the rescue disk so I think I'm root already?
[04:06] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, so what should I do?
[04:06] <pureone> C-O-L-T, OK
[04:06] <ves_> but using 'sudo' doesnt work
[04:06] <sproingie> C-O-L-T: VERY NICE NOW GO AWAY
[04:06] <jenda> And what about Cipherfunk and PLF?
[04:06] <ves_> everything else does
[04:06] <Sturgeon> sproingie: what repos?
[04:06] <lowman62> then the sudoers should have write access to you then
[04:06] <sproingie> Sturgeon: sorry, mistyped.  meant to send that to seveas
[04:06] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: i've queried you. look for the new opened tab
[04:07] <Jowi> Seveas: I'm not really counting your repos as third party. 2.5 maybe. :)
[04:07] <lowman62> ves_ talk to me in the pm
[04:07] <Seveas> !tell sproingie about seveas
[04:07] <JoeBlow> Vernon_, I think pm doesnt work right for me
[04:07] <_Gray_> anyone using xdesktopwaves?
[04:07] <Jowi> ooops, forgot the oven!
[04:07] <Despen> kameron: Ok, I'll try that
[04:07] <squirrelpimp> Jowi: house on fire?
[04:08] <alen> can anyone help me with a problem with my 56k modem?, thank u
[04:08] <Seveas> !tell alen about anyone
[04:08] <sproingie> ooh, up to date java packages?  that's always nice
[04:08] <poningru> alen: whats wrong?
[04:08] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: join #vernon
[04:08] <jenda> _Gray_: I tried them out.
[04:09] <Jowi> squirrelpimp: luckily only steam. i remembered on time.
[04:09] <_Gray_> jenda: it makes the desktop look so pretty lol
[04:09] <alen> my modem seems to disconect very often and then wont reconect unless i restart my pc
[04:10] <jenda> _Gray_: It does look nice, but I wouldn't use it full time. Waste of resources.
[04:11] <BirdyKiller> AGH!
[04:11] <_Gray_> jenda: I only enable it when I'm doing light work like internet/word processing etc
[04:11] <BirdyKiller> unable to find the nvidia kernel module :(
[04:11] <Vernon_> BirdyKiller: depmod?
[04:11] <BirdyKiller> !depmod
[04:11] <ubotu> BirdyKiller: I haven't a clue
[04:11] <BirdyKiller> ?
[04:12] <_Gray_> BirdyKiller: are you installing the nvidia drivers from their website?
[04:12] <BirdyKiller> trying to
[04:12] <flogiston> Linux is like a wigwam. No windows, no Gates and an apache inside.
[04:12] <BirdyKiller> I can't startx with the nvidia-glx drivers...
[04:12] <_Gray_> BirdyKiller: have you followed the how-to in ubuntu forums?
[04:13] <BirdyKiller> that's what I'm trying to do :(
[04:13] <Despen> kameron: Thanks, got it to work!!
[04:13] <_Gray_> BirdyKiller: you cant startx?
[04:13] <Loevborg> _Gray_, hey desktopwaves looks funny
[04:13] <Micksa> man, it sure would be nice if smb just worked
[04:13] <Loevborg> _Gray_, unfortunately I never see my desktop anyway
[04:13] <_Gray_> Loevborg: go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=112333 to configure it more
[04:14] <Micksa> how do I get smbclient (or whatever) to search for a browser rather than DNS?
[04:14] <_Gray_> Loevborg: i spent like half an hour just playing around with it lol
[04:14] <Micksa> cos it must be using DNS
[04:14] <BirdyKiller> _Gray_ yeah it crashes on me...  the ubuntu logo in the center of the screen goes all garbly and I can't even ctrl+Alt+backspace
[04:14] <kameron> Despen: :D good!! i wasn't sure if that was going to work, but worth a shot. symbolic links are awesome.
[04:14] <ves_> pureone: any idea what unable to open term: bterm means?
[04:15] <flogiston> term= terminal?
[04:16] <bolrod> terminate!
[04:16] <bolrod> ?
[04:16] <ves_> trying to edit /etc/sudoers with visudo/vim/nano gives this unable to open bterm error :/
[04:16] <kameron> _Gray_: omg that shit pwns so hard
[04:16] <BirdyKiller> I've about lost hope on this system ever running ubuntu again
[04:17] <BirdyKiller> actually it never ran ubuntu, new computer, but it did in my dreams
[04:17] <Jowi> bterm is a framebuffer terminal emulator
[04:18] <Syruss> ubuntu isn't hard to get working
[04:18] <toydi> hi, any solution to input chinese characters in firefox1.5 (scim seems have problems)
[04:18] <BirdyKiller> nobody seems to be able to help me to get it working on a geforce 7800/amd64 system
[04:18] <Despen> kameron: Yes, It seems to work.. it started at least
[04:19] <kameron> Despen: sounds like a good start at least :P\
[04:21] <gnomefreak> :) good morning
[04:21] <radex> nice # :)
[04:21] <JoeBlow> vernon_ , hey
[04:22] <Micksa> okay, I have gotten this far:
[04:22] <Micksa> mslade@boo:~$ man -t rm|smbclient '\\mickpc\postscript' guest -U guest -c 'print -'
[04:22] <Micksa> Domain=[MICKPC]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
[04:22] <Micksa> ERRDOS - ERRbadaccess (Invalid open mode.) opening remote file stdin-14564
[04:22] <Micksa> what does that mean?
[04:22] <Micksa> "Invalid open mode" is what cups gives me too
[04:23] <Micksa> hang on....
[04:23] <JoeBlow> vernon_ , u their bro?
[04:23] <Jowi> ves_: can you re-install ncurses-term?
[04:23] <ves_> Jowi: just with apt?
[04:24] <Micksa> ah, windows related problem
[04:24] <Jowi> ves_: yeah. think bterm and it are connected
[04:24] <Micksa> of COURSE "invalid open mode" means "this account has insufficient access rights"
[04:26] <kremonte> what's the name of the linux limewire port? =x
[04:28] <BirdyKiller> anybody familiar with building kernel module for nvidia?  I know I'm close and I have the logfile...
[04:29] <madgik85> kremonte, you can use gtk-gnutella to connected to Limewire of you use Gnome environment
[04:29] <BirdyKiller> at the end of the log it's giving a /bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: no such file or directory   then make[3] : **** [__modpost]  Error 127, make[2] : ***[modules]  Error 2, NVIDIA: left KBUILD, nvidia.ko failed to build!
[04:30] <kremonte> madgik85: thanks =)
[04:31] <Jowi> ves_: did it work?
[04:31] <avalost> anyone have any problems with amarok?
[04:32] <avalost> everytime I open amarok it crashes
[04:32] <fatcow> is anyone here using ddclient?
[04:33] <drviju> how to increase time in grub loader  choice betn  two  os
[04:33] <fatcow> How do I find out _Interfce used for dynamic DNS server_?
[04:34] <merly> why is partition of HD unsuccessful? I have about 5 gigs free (out of 20), did defrag and cleanup. what else can i do?
[04:34] <Jowi> drviju: in /boot/grub/menu.lst look for "timeout"
[04:34] <gnomefreak> drviju, open /boo/grub/menu.lst and edit the line that has something like time 5 change it to what you want
[04:34] <gnomefreak> out*
[04:35] <Jowi> merly: not having enough info. are you trying to add a partition?
[04:35] <merly> Jowi - i was installing ubuntu on an older pc
[04:35] <BirdyKiller> HA!!!!!
[04:35] <BirdyKiller> I GOT IT!
[04:35] <merly> Jowi - with previous windows install
[04:35] <merly> Jowi - trying to shrink the windows part.
[04:36] <Jowi> merly: so the shrinking fail or something else?
[04:36] <DDTa> hi
[04:36] <DDTa> just a question
[04:36] <SL0MO> How do I change screen resolution via commandline?
[04:36] <merly> jowi  - the shrinking. it just tries but it doesn't work.
[04:36] <BirdyKiller> YEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:36] <gnomefreak> DDTa, go ahead ask if someone knows they will help you
[04:36] <BlueDevil> does anyone know if the Logitech QuickCam Chat is supported on Ubuntu out of the box?
[04:36] <Seveas> BirdyKiller, you shot the bird?
[04:36] <Noriega> hey, does anyone know how to edit specific buttons on your keyboard layout, if I want altgr+c to be something else than
[04:36] <BirdyKiller> been working on this for like 20 hours :) and I'm finally up into the gui... with errors.
[04:37] <BirdyKiller> failed to initialize HAL :-/
[04:37] <Jowi> merly: oh, don't know. always worked for me. with gparted?
[04:37] <gnomefreak> gui with errors is getting it?
[04:37] <Jowi> gnomefreak: he compiled nvidia drivers from source on an amd64 machine i think...
[04:37] <DDTa> gnomefreak: www.ethicalsoftware.org ... there is a license... I don't understand...
[04:37] <jenda> !nvidia
[04:37] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:37] <gnomefreak> ohhhhhh
[04:38] <gnomefreak> DDTa, hold on im bringing it up
[04:38] <merly> Jowi - i'm just usuing the ubuntu installer. i don't  knwo if its gparted or ntfsresize or what
[04:38] <BirdyKiller> thanks for the assistance
[04:38] <gnomefreak> ok DDTa what does it say
[04:39] <Jowi> merly: oh ok. a fresh install.
[04:39] <Jowi> merly: so you write changes to disk and nothing changes?
[04:39] <gnomefreak> im looking at the liecense what do you not understand about it?
[04:40] <merly> Jowi that is correct
[04:40] <BirdyKiller> !grub
[04:40] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:40] <BirdyKiller> first link is broken...
[04:41] <gnomefreak> brb
[04:42] <jenda> I can't get my NVidia to work with the drivers in the repositories. What do I have to do in order to proporly remove them before I install it with the NVidia installer?
[04:42] <Nikusan> hi all, smeg won't let me delete an entry in my gnome menu. can anyone tell me what file(s) I need to edit manually to remove it?
[04:43] <DDTa> gnomefreak: see the site
[04:43] <Jowi> merly: are you manually choose the partition and type in a new lower value, or are you chosing the "resize and use freed space..."?
[04:44] <cisox> Hello, I am trying to create a debian package. I need some advice. All I want to do is take some files, a website or two, things along those lines, and install them on the new system. I don't need to make any files or anything along those lines. What would be the best way to build a package for this?
[04:44] <StyXman> hi all
[04:45] <StyXman> I'm compilin kernel 2.6.15 from dapper (in a breesy)
[04:45] <StyXman> but I can'tfor the life of me find the support for the intel 82801 IDE chipset
[04:46] <lale> Hi i have a problem with tulip driver. After 1-2 minutes my network connection gets down. I have to re-plug ethernet cable for reconnect
[04:46] <rszt> hi everyone, i'd have a question about the ssh server in hoary hedgehog: it fails to start and says: could not load host key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[04:46] <mc|amb> hi, i need help to resize a partiton with gparted.. it all works great at the begining but when i give it apply everything looks like it went just fine but at the end nothing happens
[04:47] <strider> StyXman: I think i know where. just give me a minute
[04:47] <poningru> mc|amb: the partition you are working with has to be umounted
[04:47] <drviju_> jowi got thisbash: cd: /menu.lst: No such file or direc tory
[04:47] <drviju_> drviju@drviju:/boot/grub$ edit menu.lst
[04:47] <drviju_> Warning: unknown mime-type for "menu.lst" -- using "application/*"
[04:47] <drviju_> Error: no write permission for file "menu. lst"
[04:47] <Seveas> rszt, how did you install the ssh server?
[04:47] <Seveas> drviju, don't paste in here
[04:48] <pl_ice> hi
[04:48] <Goshawk> cisox: man debuild
[04:48] <poningru> Goshawk: he left
[04:48] <mc|amb> poningru, it is unmounted. i'm working with gparted from the liveCD
[04:48] <rszt> Seveas: apt-get install ssh
[04:48] <drviju_> seveas plz tell me hz to increase time in grub loader
[04:48] <BirdyKiller> and a reboot gives xserver errors...
[04:48] <Goshawk> poningru, thanks
[04:49] <Goshawk> i didn't note
[04:49] <Jowi> drviju: "sudo nano menu.lst" or "gksudo gedit menu.lst"
[04:49] <Seveas> drviju, gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst (as normal user)
[04:49] <Seveas> and icrease the timeout
[04:49] <Seveas> rszt, hmm
[04:49] <merly> Jowi - i have tried both options, manually choose and resize, as well as the auto "resize and use freed space"
[04:49] <pl_ice> i need a hand with loggig in, under kubuntu, it was set so that it went to local mail, ubuntu, not sure how to check logs
[04:49] <Seveas> try apt-get remove --purge openssh-server and then again apt-get install ssh
[04:50] <StyXman> strider: k, waiting...
[04:50] <Jowi> merly: k, personally i would reboot and try again...
[04:50] <merly> Jowi which is better? manual or the resize and use freed?
[04:50] <symtab> is there a way i can get gnome-2.13.x with ubuntu?
[04:50] <symtab> except compiling
[04:50] <Seveas> symtab, by using dapper
[04:50] <symtab> ?
[04:50] <Jowi> merly: i never used the automatic one
[04:50] <symtab> dapper?
[04:50] <rszt> Seveas: thx, i'll try that
[04:50] <symtab> sorry, i'm new to ubuntu
[04:51] <symtab> where can i read more about dapper?
[04:51] <strider> StyXman: yes something to do with ICH intel pII or something. i'll just do a menuconfig and check ;)
[04:51] <Seveas> symtab, then don't use dapper or gnome 2.13
[04:51] <Seveas> both are development releases and unstable
[04:51] <StyXman> strider: ok, still here
[04:51] <symtab> Seveas, just tell me where to read about it :)
[04:52] <poningru> mc|amb: hmm
[04:52] <jenda> !tell symtab about dapper
[04:52] <symtab> thanks
[04:52] <lale> Hi i have a problem with tulip driver. After 1-2 minutes my network connection gets down. I have to re-plug ethernet cable for reconnect
[04:53] <Vernon_> joe_alf: if u r joeblow, i'll be back in 40 mins
[04:53] <drviju_> drviju@drviju:/$ gksudo gedit/boot/grub/me nu.lst
[04:53] <drviju_> (gksudo:7965): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[04:53] <drviju_> (gksudo:7965): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[04:53] <drviju_> sudo: gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst: command no t found
[04:53] <drviju_> drviju@drviju:/$ gksudo gedit menu.lst
[04:53] <drviju_> (gksudo:7978): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[04:53] <drviju_> (gksudo:7978): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[04:53] <drviju_> (gedit:7980): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not s upported by Xlib
[04:53] <Goshawk> is there a tool for networks that let you know if there is a dhcp client listen on a network or if ips are static and what's their addresses?
[04:53] <drviju_> (gedit:7980): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set l ocale modifiers
[04:53] <Vernon_> ciao Goshawk :)
[04:53] <drviju_> (gedit:7980): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While co nnecting to session manager:
[04:53] <drviju_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are  supported and host-based authentication f ailed.
[04:53] <pl_ice> !log
[04:53] <ubotu> pl_ice: I give up, what is it?
[04:53] <Goshawk> Vernon_, ciao :D
[04:54] <strider> StyXman: under Device drivers
[04:54] <kab> in my gnome applet clock, the week day start day is Monday, but I want to be Sunday, How can I change this?
[04:54] <strider> StyXman: ATA/ATAPi
[04:54] <strider> StyXman: tell me when you get there
[04:54] <vk> is there any way to display a list of running processes in ubuntu, like windows ctrl+alt+esc
[04:55] <Goshawk> vk: system monitor
[04:55] <mwe> vk: or ps aux from a console
[04:55] <Goshawk> vk, there is a gnome applet
[04:55] <Goshawk> that is very nice to see :D
[04:55] <poningru> vk: yeah go to applications-> system tools-> system monitor
[04:56] <symtab> ok...i want to test it....where can i download dapper?
[04:56] <vk> goshawk, where do i find system monitor?
[04:56] <StyXman> strider: the only intel thing is the intel PIIXn
[04:56] <Goshawk> vk, follow poningru directives
[04:56] <strider> StyXman: yes that's the one
[04:56] <StyXman> maybe activating experimental/broken ones...
[04:56] <vk> tnx
[04:56] <StyXman> strider: that one, sure?
[04:56] <strider> StyXman: what's your h/w ?
[04:57] <pl_ice> my pc shuts down for a no reason, which logs can i check to find something out? ...
[04:57] <StyXman> lspci says: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA-100 IDE Controller (rev 02)
[04:57] <Goshawk> so.. is there a tool to discover a network? a tool can understand if there is a dhcp server of the ips are statics
[04:57] <mustard5> pl_ice, try Xorg.log
[04:57] <mustard5> pl_ice, sounds like possible RAM problem
[04:58] <BirdyKiller> what's the ubuntu version of mkinitrd?
[04:58] <StyXman> strider: lspci says: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA-100 IDE Controller (rev 02)
[04:58] <pl_ice> mustard5 under ubuntu 5.04 it was cool; no it behaves like i did shutdown
[04:58] <StyXman> (sorry the dupe)
[04:58] <strider> StyXman: yes, IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03)
[04:58] <mustard5> pl_ice, Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/
[04:58] <StyXman> strider: not here
[04:58] <strider> StyXman: that'smine
[04:58] <strider> wait
[04:59] <mustard5> pl_ice, yeah..that symptom reminds me of a problem I had with faulty RAM stick
[04:59] <StyXman> strider: ah, ok
[04:59] <mustard5> pl_ice, it was showing a FATAL X error in the Xorg.-.log
[04:59] <StyXman> that driver works, you say...
[04:59] <strider> StyXman: I'm actually quite sure. ICH4 comes from there
[05:00] <StyXman> strider: k
[05:00] <strider> StyXman: you can try.
[05:00] <mustard5> pl_ice, you can test your RAM with the memtest option in your grub menu at bootup, if you want to eliminate that as the problem
[05:00] <strider> StyXman: did you compile already or you are going to?
[05:00] <pl_ice> mustard5 no Xorg errors etc :/
[05:00] <mustard5> pl_ice, hmm k
[05:01] <pl_ice> yeh, i need to dust the box ;) could be it ...
[05:01] <mustard5> pl_ice, try the Applications>>System>>Monitor logs choice in the menus
[05:01] <mustard5> pl_ice, or whatever they are called :)
[05:01] <pl_ice> :)
[05:02] <yarko> Hi All! I am trying to put ubuntu 5.10 on my chiefs Powerbook but apparently I need to have patched kernel to detect CDROM  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18579
[05:02] <yarko> could anyone point me to some description on how to rebuild the image or to say installation kernel since there is howto rebuild the image  http://www.wlug.org.nz/UbuntuRemastering
[05:02] <pl_ice> mustard5 i forgot to tell, it after the box fires up again, it shows stack of mem addresses,looks like it belongs to hd, which logs that would be? ..
[05:03] <mustard5> pl_ice, not sure
[05:03] <mustard5> pl_ice, search around in /var/log/ directory and see what you can find maybe?
[05:03] <pureone> er who ever sent me a message i missed it..
[05:03] <StyXman> strider: config'ing now
[05:04] <pl_ice> whats hpiod? heaps of errors on it ...
[05:04] <strider> StyXman: make-kpkg makes it pretty easy.
[05:05] <StyXman> strider: well, config'ing is still done by hand, I guess
[05:05] <mustard5> pl_ice, I wouldnt have a clue what it is
[05:05] <Pygi> freaky: ping ping
[05:05] <strider> StyXman:heh ofcourse
[05:05] <prem> hi all
[05:06] <strider> StyXman:leave a message if it works fine ;)
[05:06] <mustard5> pl_ice, its sounds like something that reminds me of my Hewlett Packard printer setup :)
[05:06] <mustard5> pl_ice, something to do with hplip (whatever that is)
[05:06] <StyXman> strider: ooook
[05:07] <pl_ice> mustard5 yeh, might sit down one day and clean 'couple' of processes ... the logs are clean, strange it didn't pick up that error, no worries, off to bed :) thnx
[05:07] <mustard5> pl_ice, np
[05:08] <prem> just instlled mplayer, trying to play .mov but getting error "Cannot find codec for audio format 0x706C6351" but my /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf has entry ----- format 0x706C6351 ; "QCLP"
[05:08] <Pygi> !codecs
[05:08] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[05:08] <Pygi> !avi
[05:08] <ubotu> avi is, like, totally, Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:08] <pl_ice> g/night :)
[05:08] <mustard5> pl_ice, night
[05:09] <prem> codecs are downloaded and installed to /usr/local/lib/codecs is this location correct if not how to find out where it looks for codecs......
[05:09] <black-whIsp> How do i make a short cut to a folder...???????
[05:10] <BirdyKiller> !mkinitrd
[05:10] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, BirdyKiller
[05:10] <BirdyKiller> !initrd-tools
[05:10] <ubotu> BirdyKiller: What?
[05:10] <BirdyKiller> :(
[05:10] <salvo1> hi people
[05:11] <kameron> ubotu is an asshole man. don't like cut of his jip one bit.
[05:11] <ubotu> kameron: Are you on ritalin?
[05:11] <kameron> ...
[05:11] <prem> !easysource
[05:11] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:11] <Ng> kameron: (it's jib, not jip ;)
[05:12] <Acidic32> im in a debate, i want to offer a shell service, will Ubuntu be secure enuff for this?
[05:12] <tkup> How arguments do you give apt-get to check for software updates? there's a sudo and xpdf update that just came out. I tried apt-get upgrade and apt-get update, but none of them updated those two packages
[05:12] <mustard5> black-whIsp, something like ln -s target linkname  ... read man ln for a better description
[05:13] <mustard5> black-whIsp, you need to make a 'soft link'
[05:13] <mustard5> black-whIsp, with the -s option
[05:13] <black-whIsp> okay.. thanks.:)
[05:13] <prem> there are no Dapper related on http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:14] <kameron> eh, i guess so Ng
[05:14] <snowblink> tkup, sudo apt-get update first
[05:14] <Pygi> Acidic: jailed shell?
[05:14] <Acidic32> yea
[05:15] <mustard5> black-whIsp, reading the manual it would be something like    ln -s target directory ?
[05:15] <Pygi> Acidic: well, if you do it right, then it is secure :)
[05:15] <mustard5> black-whIsp, thats the way I'm reading it anyway :)
[05:15] <Acidic32> im using FreeBSD atm, will Ubuntu be a good change from this?
[05:15] <Acidic32> i want to go Linux
[05:15] <Pygi> Acidic: huh, FreeBSD is a good system tho :/
[05:15] <Acidic32> that came out wrong
[05:15] <Pygi> Acidic: what seems to be wrong with FreeBSD?
[05:16] <Acidic32> the other box be Ubuntu
[05:16] <Acidic32> so i have two servers
[05:16] <Acidic32> 1 bsd and 1 linux
[05:16] <kameron> Seveas, how about win32codecs for amd64?
[05:16] <Seveas> kameron, -ENOSUCHTHING
[05:16] <Pygi> Acidic: ah, well, I would suggest something else, but as we are here, Ubuntu server will do it's task well, as long as you know how to configure it :)
[05:16] <Acidic32> ok
[05:16] <kameron> no such thing seveas?
[05:17] <JoeBlow> hey guys, im on windows right now, how can i run my current ubuntu system through a window?
[05:17] <kameron> JoeBlow: hah!
[05:17] <JoeBlow> kameron, I already feel dirty
[05:17] <JoeBlow> kameron, this is just for gamin tho
[05:17] <kameron> JoeBlow: you want to run ubuntu from a seperate partition, on the same drive?
[05:18] <JoeBlow> kameron, yea
[05:18] <kameron> or, on the same computer i mean Joeblow
[05:18] <JoeBlow> kameron, yea
[05:18] <kameron> JoeBlow: wow, i have no idea. it's likely not possible, but google.. maybe there's some kind of 3rd party app to help you with that.
[05:18] <JoeBlow> kameron, but not like a virtual machine, my real linux partition
[05:18] <prem> JoeBlow, consider VMWare, parallels workstation of a free qemu
[05:18] <kameron> JoeBlow: oh, not a chance of that happening.
[05:18] <Pygi> qemu is better :)
[05:18] <salvo1> just a question, how to disable off-key of my notebook with ubuntu?? I don't want that when i push it, my notebook turn off
[05:18] <salvo1> *turns
[05:18] <ubuntu_> Hey all :P
[05:19] <kameron> JoeBlow: unless you just want to access the files.. you won't be able to actually run anything
[05:19] <ahsm> hi everyone
[05:19] <ubuntu_> yea I know I should change my nick :P
[05:19] <kameron> JoeBlow: unless you do it virtually
[05:19] <JoeBlow> prem, well, doesnt that just run a fake ubuntu, no file saving or access to my stuff that i already have in my current ubuntu
[05:19] <ahsm> i have some problems :(
[05:19] <JoeBlow> im not doing it virtualls fuck that
[05:19] <lee_> hey guys, im a debian user and considering moving to ubuntu.....is ubuntu yet stable? as when i tried it last year it was not stable as a desktop OS
[05:19] <lee_> ?
[05:19] <ubuntu_> yes ubuntu is nice :)
[05:19] <Pygi> lee: it is stable, as long as you don't use dapper :P
[05:19] <Ng> lee_: I've been using linux as a desktop since 1997 and I believe it's been stable for most of that time ;)
[05:19] <yggdrasil> can somone help me with my mount -t smbfs going to a windows box ?
[05:19] <kameron> JoeBlow: you can access your partition, and read files, etc.. but you WON'T be able to run programs, etc, unless you do it virtuallyl
[05:19] <salvo1> ubuntu is stabler and simpler than debian
[05:20] <ahsm> how do i edit my mouse settings
[05:20] <ubuntu_> I wanted to use Mandrake
[05:20] <ahsm> so i can change the protocol and all that stuff?
[05:20] <prem> JoeBlow, no you can actually configure VMware to use your physical harddisk
[05:20] <Pygi> ubuntu: there is no Mandrake :D
[05:20] <ubuntu_> but opted for this
[05:20] <tkup> snowblink, ah thanks!
[05:20] <kameron> salvol: no WAY is ubuntu more stable than debian
[05:20] <lee_> Ng, linux as a whole might be stable but im talking ubuntu
[05:20] <alexissoft> hi
[05:20] <ubuntu_> ohhh
[05:20] <ubuntu_> yea not anymore :P
[05:20] <ubuntu_> hahah
[05:20] <ubuntu_> Mandriva :P
[05:20] <kameron> ubuntu_ i used mandrake for years before switching to ubuntu.
[05:20] <Pygi> hehe :)
[05:20] <ubuntu_> hahaha
[05:20] <yggdrasil> can somone help me with my mount -t smbfs going to a windows box ? i got it mounted but its only read only....
[05:20] <Pygi> !patience
[05:20] <Ng> lee_: well I've been using that since before warty was released and I'm very happy with its stability :)
[05:20] <ubotu> There are a lot of questions, but only few who might answer you. Please be patient.
[05:20] <ubuntu_> which you like best?
[05:21] <JoeBlow> kameron: man that sucks
[05:21] <Pygi> ubuntu: who? me?
[05:21] <BirdyKiller> it's stable as long as you don't use nvidia drivers on an amd64 system :)
[05:21] <lee_> the main thing i like about it as i installed it on my friends laptop is it works flawlessley out of the box but it was worrying how many modules were loaded...i take it you all edit the kernel and compile these in eventually?
[05:21] <ubuntu_> yes anyone heheh :P
[05:21] <Ng> lee_: have you tried the live cd? you could try running that for a few days and see how it works
[05:21] <poningru> yggdrasil: thats because ntfs write is not built in by default in the current ubuntu kernel
[05:21] <ubuntu_> yes thats what I am using now
[05:21] <Ng> lee_: having lots of modules is fine
[05:21] <ubuntu_> live cd
[05:21] <ubuntu_> lol
[05:21] <poningru> yggdrasil: you have to add that in
[05:21] <rszt> \part
[05:21] <Ng> lee_: it makes no difference if you recompile with them in the kernel
[05:21] <poningru> !ntfs
[05:21] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions, or writing to ntfs is risky and only experimental. Reading is OK
[05:21] <kameron> ubuntu_ ubuntu is a much nicer, cleaner, simpler system. the only thing i miss about mandriva is the mcc. but it's almost unnecessary on ubuntu to have a central config, everything just works.
[05:21] <Pygi> ubuntu: huh, well I mostly use Slack, but I use Ubuntu for gnome development :)
[05:21] <ahsm> so i can change the protocol and all that stuff?
[05:21] <yggdrasil> poniguru if i su and then access it i can write.
[05:21] <ubuntu_> hehe gnome on this is cool
[05:22] <ubuntu_> :)
[05:22] <olicat> my main network connection is a wireless one, on eth2, but i've got an internal network on eth1 - how can i ssh using eth1?
[05:22] <prem> BirdyKiller, i am currently using Dapper with nvidia drivers, it *is* stable
[05:22] <fek> the problem concerning the dual desktop seems to be in the resolution
[05:22] <ubuntu_> yes some like the slack
[05:22] <Pygi> ubuntu: well, it's much better here due to Patrick erased gnome from Slack :(
[05:22] <lee_> Ng,  i installed it for my friend last and it worked and looked exactly the same as my debian system...only alot simpler...as his wireless and everything was found instantly...a problem i have with debian is im continuously configruing the kernel to get one thing or another to work
[05:22] <kameron> ubuntu_: the kubuntu live cd is even cooler, IMO, just because i've never liked gnome
[05:22] <ubuntu_> its smaller too
[05:22] <fek> when i am using 1600x1200@60 on the DFP i got the same problem
[05:22] <poningru> yggdrasil: really?
[05:22] <poningru> yggdrasil: cause I cant
[05:22] <yggdrasil> yar indeed
[05:22] <ubuntu_> ohh ok
[05:22] <BirdyKiller> prem, then help me get the damned thing working or point me somewhere that'll help?
[05:22] <yggdrasil> nah it works fine when i even if i su and start up konqueoror
[05:22] <ubuntu_> :)
[05:22] <yggdrasil> it work
[05:22] <salvo1> ubuntu_, u can do as me, u can try the livecd and than decide
[05:23] <Ng> lee_: I guess it depends on your hardware, but generally only really new or obscure things need you to compile stuff. Again, you can try with the live cd and see what is supported out of the box :)
[05:23] <ahsm> how i can change the protocol and all that stuff?
[05:23] <JoeBlow> kameron: Mirc sucks, i miss Xchat
[05:23] <yggdrasil> poni have your tried su ?
[05:23] <ubuntu_> yep thats what I am doing
[05:23] <ahsm> how do i edit my mouse settings so i can change the protocol?
[05:23] <kameron> JoeBlow: yeah, it's not as nice. and you have to pay for xchat on windows.
[05:23] <ubuntu_> I am somewhat tired of stuck with windblows :P
[05:23] <Pygi> ubuntu: well, erase them :D
[05:23] <ubuntu_> hehe
[05:23] <yggdrasil> im using enlightenment6 on ubuntu
[05:23] <prem> BirdyKiller, I compiled nvidia drivers with patches from nvidia forums, i have a old TNT2 card it works rock solid
[05:23] <yggdrasil> its great
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> ick ;P
[05:24] <lee_> Ng, yeah means id have to download and burn the cd....i have the instalation cd here so i might just take the plunge and give it ago tonight...i just wanted to know it was stable....one thing i do need helpwith is that when i put a dvd in with debian it automatically loads up totem...and i want it to load with ogle...where would i adjust this
[05:24] <ahsm> how do i edit my mouse settings so i can change the protocol?
[05:24] <kameron> yggdrasil: you should try e17
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> There are 'free' versions of xchat for windows out.  JoeBlow
[05:24] <yggdrasil> kameron i was trying to
[05:25] <yggdrasil> im having som problems compiling stuff here
[05:25] <olicat> any ideas?
[05:25] <ubuntu_> I have found this is by far the easiest one to get connected to the dsl
[05:25] <yggdrasil> keep getting a glibc eror
[05:25] <poningru> yggdrasil: then just chmod it and allow write for user
[05:25] <prem> ahsm, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:25] <JoeBlow> kameron: as soon as i get these drivers set up, im going right back into ubuntu, this is just for playing a few games that i cant get working on linux, and for my girlfriend
[05:25] <kameron> yggdrasil: it's one of my wm projects. i also want to install project looking glass
[05:25] <Deep6> what's the next revision called?
[05:25] <strider> JoeBlow: SilverX
[05:25] <ahsm> prem, thank you sir
[05:25] <ubuntu_> in other live distro's more to do
[05:25] <ubuntu_> to get connected
[05:25] <yggdrasil> looking glass huh
[05:25] <Pygi> Deep: dapper drake? :)
[05:25] <kameron> JoeBlow: that's the only reason most of us here have windows.
[05:25] <yggdrasil> hmmm
[05:25] <shameem> hi...
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> Games = Windows, Work=Linux
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:25] <kameron> yggdrasil: www.sun.com and search for looking glass, it's tyte
[05:25] <ubuntu_> hehe
[05:25] <Pygi> JoeBlow: you can play "any" game on Linux, as long as you know how to set it up
[05:25] <Vernon_> JoeBlow: i'm here
[05:26] <burumbu> hi
[05:26] <ubuntu_> yea no doubt windows rules in the game area
[05:26] <poningru> more like windows for = gf
[05:26] <lee_> is ubuntu more system resourceful than debian - that question goes to everyone?
[05:26] <ubuntu_> for now
[05:26] <prem> Dr_Willis, Games= Cedega+Linux Work=Linux
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> Pygi,  and are willing to ignore all the little issues
[05:26] <poningru> err
[05:26] <Ng> lee_: there's a tool in System->Preferences for configuring what happens with removeable drives
[05:26] <ubuntu_> untill they make ..... 2 versions for each
[05:26] <ubuntu_> lol
[05:26] <BirdyKiller> unless you work for the govt and they mandate windows machines at work, or you work for a linux gaming company and they mandate linux at home
[05:26] <lee_> thanjs NG
[05:26] <Pygi> Willis: nah, all can work good :)
[05:26] <JoeBlow> Dr_Willis, yea exactly
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> prem,  and are willing to ignore all the little issues. :P
[05:26] <kameron> lee_: depends on how many services you run, etc. it's not really more or less of a hog than debian.
[05:26] <pinucset> one think, if i erase the windows partition will i can resize my ext3 linux partition?
[05:26] <ahsm> prem, it says no such directory
[05:26] <kameron> pinuccset: yes
[05:26] <poningru> pinucset: yes
[05:26] <JoeBlow> I cant get quake 2 on my linux, cause id software has had their server down all day
[05:26] <lee_> ok thanks kameron....going to go install it now ;) say bye bye debian
[05:26] <salvo1> i'm using a toshiba m50 and every hardware device was autoknown
[05:26] <salvo1> really great :>
[05:26] <salvo1> now i'm going crazy to disable power-off key, because my friends jokes me every time pushing it
[05:27] <prem> Dr_Willis, please explain "little issues"
[05:27] <pinucset> poningru cool thanks, ill can erase the fucking windows!
[05:27] <kameron> lee_ good luck, we'll be here to help.
[05:27] <ubuntu_> lol
[05:27] <kameron> lee_ not that you'll need it :P
[05:27] <Deep6> anyone know the screensaver password on the live cd?
[05:27] <prem> ahsm, /etc/X11/XF86Config*
[05:27] <poningru> Deep6: there is none
[05:27] <burumbu> every time I try to use magnets in Wings3D (ALT+right mouse button), GNOME's Window menu popsup, how can I disable that combination?
[05:27] <JoeBlow> when i first went to linux, i was like ahh everything is such a pain to do, but now that im back in windows, everything pretty easy, but on the other hand, it doesnt do exactly what u want like in linux
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> prem,  lets see.. gfx not being as good at times, mouse issues, every new update to WoW seeming to break Cedega support.. same with Guild Wars.. GTA running at 2x speed....
[05:27] <Deep6> poningru, well, then when you hit enter it says cancelled and the system remains locked
[05:27] <lee_> many thanks...i shouldnt need it......if i can work from a base install of debian and get it running like i have now...ubuntu was a synch on a thinkpad....i only hope its as easy on my omnibook
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> prem,  over all.. cedega works.. but theres always seems tobe some slight issues with it.
[05:28] <BirdyKiller> prem, my new drivers work just fine... the problem is I have to recompile, rebuild the module, and reinstall the drivers on every reboot.
[05:28] <Pygi> Willis: I suggest you to "shoot" at developers to produce OpenGL based games :D
[05:28] <prem> Dr_Willis, How about DirectX + Windows -> reboot and reboot and reboot
[05:28] <kameron> Seveas: -ENOSUCHTHING.. what is that?
[05:28] <ubuntu_> yea I know I just wish there was a utl, to convert all windows apps to install on linux :P
[05:28] <ubuntu_> haha
[05:28] <kameron> Seveas: is that an option.. or.. are you saying, there's no such thing?
[05:28] <JoeBlow> ubuntu_, ever tried crossover
[05:28] <yggdrasil> poniguru so chngmod it to 500 ?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> Pygi,  i wonder why the game makers  dont work with  the Wine/Cedega  guys to get where tneyc an say it 'supported' in cedega.
[05:28] <ubuntu_> nope I haven
[05:29] <ubuntu_> havent*
[05:29] <kameron> ubuntu_ maybe sometime in the future. but for now we have virtual desktops, wine, cedega, crossover, etc.
[05:29] <ubuntu_> I used vine :)
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> prem,  actually i rareluy have to reboot xp these days.. that MS update last night DID force a reboot however.. which was amuseing.
[05:29] <ubuntu_> thats about all
[05:29] <ubuntu_> haha
[05:29] <prem> BirdyKiller, I am hearing such thing for the first time
[05:29] <Pygi> Willis: well, I know, when I've been making (not did it in a long time tho) I've done them in OpenGL
[05:29] <ubuntu_> it works pretty good as an emu.
[05:29] <Pygi> willis: so not compatibility probs
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> Pygi,  of course its getting where i waste less and less time on games. :P
[05:30] <salvo1> does any1 know how to disable power-off key in ubuntu??
[05:30] <AnObfuscator> can anyone recommend a good USB wireless adapter with good linux support? I need WPA, and my current dlink doesn't seem to work with wpa-supplicant. :/
[05:30] <ubuntu_> hehe I see I am not the only "newbe" here
[05:30] <ubuntu_> hehe
[05:30] <delire> what is the current Breezy stable kernel? 2.6.12-10?
[05:30] <ubuntu_> :)
[05:30] <Pygi> Willis: huh, I don't have times to do anything I am afraid, and no games as well :P
[05:30] <Ng> delire: yes
[05:30] <delire> cheers,
[05:30] <FRAG> im having problems booting the breezy live cd, i get an error with X, im running a x700, is there anyway for me to boot off the cd with this?
[05:31] <FRAG> im guessing its a problem with the ati drivers
[05:31] <Pygi> huh, live cd doesnt have ati drivers
[05:31] <mieleman> just install it.. :-)
[05:31] <Pygi> it has generic drivers
[05:31] <FRAG> oh
[05:31] <BirdyKiller> prem, I've been bitching about it for the last hour or so, how could you miss it?
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> FRAG,  also the live cd is a little out of date.. I got my X200 video working with a 'real' install
[05:31] <burumbu> is there any way to disable the popup menu that appears when pressing Alt+Right mouse button?
[05:31] <FRAG> its there a boot option i can add to boot it?
[05:31] <Pygi> !patience
[05:31] <ubotu> There are a lot of questions, but only few who might answer you. Please be patient.
[05:32] <jenda> I need help with my NVidia. There seems to be nothing I can do to install it
[05:33] <jenda> Anyone consider themselves an Nvidia guru?
[05:33] <Pygi> !nvidia
[05:33] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:33] <jenda> Pygi: not good enough
[05:33] <Pygi> jenda: what seems to be the issue?
[05:34] <jenda> Alright: If I follow the 'official' way, then it won't load - "couldn't find Nvidia driver module"
[05:34] <BirdyKiller> I just fixed that problem... I'm now at the next step in the nvidia problem
[05:35] <jenda> If I use the Nvidia installer, it won't install, because of gcc
[05:35] <jenda> BirdyKiller: how?
[05:35] <ubuntu_> I got the ati x1800xl
[05:35] <ubuntu_> on my other pc
[05:35] <Pygi> jenda: don't use gcc 4.0 just yet
[05:35] <FRAG> so if i do a install my x700 shouldnt have a problem
[05:35] <FRAG> ?
[05:35] <jenda> Pygi: It has an issue with 3.4 even
[05:35] <Pygi> jenda: 3.3?
[05:35] <jenda> umm
[05:36] <BirdyKiller> jenda, export CC="gcc-3.4"
[05:36] <jenda> I don't think that's just the problem. It says command not found when it comes to the gcc version check
[05:36] <trappist> it has issues with 4.0 because the kernel was built with 3.4 - yeah, just export CC
[05:36] <yggdrasil> poniguru that worked
[05:36] <BirdyKiller> do you have gcc installed?
[05:36] <yggdrasil> poniguru thanks
[05:36] <jenda> Whereas if I set the wrong gcc version, it says it's ok
[05:36] <jenda> I mean
[05:36] <yggdrasil> birdykiller can you help me out too im trying to compile xchat and im getting something wierd
[05:36] <jenda> It says it's NOT OK, just as it should
[05:37] <kameron> what's the command that tells you about your system, what kernel, etc? man, i'm blanking.
[05:37] <JoeBlow> god i hate windows, its already screwing up on me!
[05:37] <moodog> evening all.
[05:37] <BirdyKiller> yggdrasil, sorry I don't know much about ubuntu :) I just have about 5000 man-hours trying to get nvidia drivers to work
[05:37] <trappist> kameron: tells you what about your system?  uname -r will tell you about your kernel.
[05:37] <jenda> BirdyKiller: I do have it installed
[05:37] <kameron> trappist: uname, word.. forgot.
[05:37] <yggdrasil> can somone help me with some compiling problems
[05:37] <kameron> trappist: uname -a was what i was looking for
[05:37] <strider> does anone have to kill gnome-terminal occasionally from a virtual terminal? you can't type anything and menu's don't work
[05:38] <trappist> morphix: cut that out.
[05:38] <Pygi> tggdrasil: what seems to be the problem>
[05:38] <Tardis107> hey how you set up ubuntu 5.10 so that you can compile?
[05:38] <strider> Tardis107: get build-essential
[05:38] <jenda> trappist: If I do export gcc (3.4), it gives me an error... where can I find the log...?
[05:38] <yggdrasil> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no
[05:38] <yggdrasil> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[05:38] <Pygi> well, you don't have glib :)
[05:38] <yggdrasil> i get that when i do my ./configure
[05:38] <BirdyKiller> I used the official way... had to download kernel-headers, makeconfig them, ....
[05:38] <Tardis107> strider: is that all I have to do?
[05:38] <trappist> jenda: I'm not sure it produces a lot
[05:38] <strider> no, you wont get 3.4
[05:39] <Pygi> yggdrasil: well install glib-devel or whateva :)
[05:39] <trappist> yggdrasil: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:39] <BirdyKiller> /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
[05:39] <yggdrasil> trappist
[05:39] <yggdrasil> thanks
[05:39] <pureone> why do ubuntu users love sudo so much?
[05:39] <Tardis107> yeah thanks
[05:39] <ompaul> morphix, those messages will get you kick banned if 658 people did it there would be no channel
[05:39] <jenda> BirdyKiller: thanks
[05:39] <yggdrasil> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:39] <yggdrasil> build-essential is already the newest version.
[05:39] <Tardis107> sudo keeps newbies away from selfharm
[05:39] <kameron> pureone: i kind of dislike sudo, but i use it a bit, when i don't have a lot of root stuff to do
[05:39] <ompaul> !tell pureone about root
[05:39] <yggdrasil> traapist you see that
[05:39] <JoeBlow> pureone, because you = user, sudo = God
[05:40] <pureone> sudo = security risk
[05:40] <Tardis107> ?
[05:40] <pureone> ompaul i know about root
[05:40] <jenda> Here it is. Please excuse the paste, it is a short one: "./usr/src/nv/conftest.sh: line 9: gcc-3.4: command not found"
[05:40] <ompaul> pureone, Wrong
[05:40] <yggdrasil> trappist you see that
[05:40] <strider> Tardis107: Default Ubuntu comes with no dev packages. Install the build-essential meta package (for gcc 4).  I'll be back (BirdyKiller-beep :) thanks)
[05:42] <JoeBlow> pureone, amd if she doesnt know the password, she cant do crap
[05:42] <strider> because the kernel is compiled with it
[05:42] <trappist> jenda: didn't we say that?
[05:42] <JoeBlow> pureone, thats just the 15 minutes timer, im pretty sure u can log out of root
[05:42] <mutRec> what's the basic difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[05:42] <Ng> mutRec: aptitude is more like a command line version of synaptic
[05:42] <BirdyKiller> jenda, np
[05:42] <jenda> trappist: you said install gcc, but not gcc-3.4 :) I didn't think of that
[05:42] <jenda> BRB
[05:42] <pureone> im sure you dont longer then 15 minutes to take a piss ;)
[05:42] <JoeBlow> pureone, but are u saying its safer without sudo at all, as in, no passwords ever
[05:43] <JoeBlow> pureone, i wash my hands, really really well
[05:43] <ompaul> pureone, - if that is a risk then you use a screen saver - think about what your saying - your wrong, what is the risk and what are you trying to do - btw the command in question is almost 25 years old this year
[05:43] <strider> any module you need has to be compiled with the same gc version
[05:43] <strider> *gcc
[05:43] <pureone> JoeBlow, im saying its safer to type "su -c "command" "
[05:43] <strider> Tardis107: what do you need to compile?
[05:43] <strider> anything specific
[05:43] <JoeBlow> pureone, ohh alright
[05:43] <mutRec> well, so... what's the difference between synaptic (X-Window) and apt-get or dpkg ?
[05:43] <mutRec> what it's better to use?
[05:43] <JoeBlow> pureone, I like sudo, makes it easier and faster for me
[05:44] <ompaul> pureone, you can down the amount of time that sudo is availabe if you want to
[05:44] <JoeBlow> ompaul, whats the command for that?
[05:44] <trappist> mutRec: if you know what packages you need, use apt-get.  if you want to browse available packages, use a frontend like synaptic or aptitude.
[05:44] <pureone> so is sudo set up automaticly when you install ubuntu ?
[05:44] <BirdyKiller> I prefer to stay logged in as root on an unpatched system without a firewall running every server I can with the default settings
[05:44] <JoeBlow> pureone, yea
[05:44] <mutRec> right... thx trappist...
[05:44] <pureone> BirdyKiller, yeah thats fun
[05:45] <zool2005> mutRec : dpkg is for manipulating .deb files
[05:45] <JoeBlow> BirdyKiller, I prefer to even name my systems as the password
[05:45] <pureone> ok well i see your points :)
[05:45] <FieldySnuts> heh.
[05:45] <Tardis107> strider: I want to compile games and similar things which dont have deb files
[05:45] <yggdrasil> trappist that worked thanks
[05:45] <BirdyKiller> JoeBlow, that's brilliant.  I wish I had thought of that!
[05:45] <trappist> JoeBlow: I find it easier to remember if my password is my username
[05:45] <FieldySnuts> ubuntu newbie here, though familiar with linux. Is there a way I can install firefox 1.5?
[05:45] <JoeBlow> BirdyKiller, youd be supprised how often it is the user name, or "Password"
[05:45] <JoeBlow> trappist, u joke, but often its true
[05:45] <ompaul> JoeBlow, sudoers - I am looking for the syntax but you can also look at the man page
[05:46] <mutRec> And if I want to modificate some parametres of my ubuntu kernel... where I must to go? I try in /usr/src/ or /boot/ or /boot/grub but I don't see my kernel source??
[05:46] <JoeBlow> ompaul, dont worry about it, ill find it later
[05:46] <BirdyKiller> JoeBlow, yeah, I found "jesus" was insanely common too
[05:46] <jenda> There we go... finally :)
[05:46] <BlueDevil> !firefox15
[05:46] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[05:46] <JoeBlow> BirdyKiller, lol
[05:46] <trappist> mutRec: sudo apt-get source kernel-image-$(uname -r)
[05:46] <FieldySnuts> BlueDevil: thanks :)
[05:46] <BlueDevil> FieldySnuts: yw
[05:47] <JoeBlow> ompaul, or name = John , User= Hacker, Password = John
[05:47] <Hawk|-> sexcopter8000m, and is it working?
[05:47] <pureone> you know whats even more fun PermitEmptyPasswords yes in sshd_config
[05:47] <mutRec> lot of thanks trappist... right... uname -r for to know kernel release... on command... right...
[05:47] <Chousuke> The passwords to the computers at my old school seem to follow a pattern
[05:47] <JoeBlow> BirdyKiller, or name = John , User= Hacker, Password = John
[05:47] <ompaul> JoeBlow, would that have been for trappist
[05:48] <JoeBlow> ompaul, who?
[05:48] <JoeBlow> ompaul, lol
[05:48] <mutRec> good bye for everyone!
[05:48] <Chousuke> password1, pass1word, pass2word, password3, and recent reports tell me it's now pass4word
[05:48] <Tardis107> bye
[05:48] <FieldySnuts> yikes. was hoping it wouldn't be so manual, i think i'll wait till it's in the "standard" repos.
[05:48] <strider> Tardis107: sorry missed that. then build-essential will be fine ;)
[05:48] <Tardis107> lol Chousuke
[05:48] <trappist> FieldySnuts: have to wait for dapper drake then
[05:49] <BirdyKiller> I prefer passw0rd...  It has a 0 in it, and that's the strongest shape on the keyboard
[05:49] <JoeBlow> BirdyKiller, agreed
[05:49] <SuperLag> Any of you guys successfully set up LDAP authentication on your *ubuntu installs?
[05:49] <trappist> but seriously, my password wants uppercase, lowercase, numbers, a space and a non-printable character like pagedown
[05:49] <Chousuke> qwerty is popular too!
[05:50] <trappist> can't use pagedown during setup, but passwd takes it just fine
[05:50] <trappist> so do sudo, ssh etc.
[05:50] <BirdyKiller> I hate password rules, though
[05:51] <BirdyKiller> you end up with 50 different passwords that all require the same crappy rules
[05:51] <BlueDevil> i had an ex coleague of mine set up the root password as ctrl-shift-alt-enter
[05:51] <molinero> Hello ubuntu users!
[05:51] <molinero> greetings from Mexico
[05:51] <kameron> FieldySnuts: i just downloaded from http://www.mozilla.org/ and the installer works fine
[05:51] <trappist> BirdyKiller: without password rules you end up with a network full of passwords like 'password'
[05:51] <BirdyKiller> and then you have to change passwords every 30 days or whatever....  so I end up doing "01p4$sw0rd" on january, "02p4$sw0rd" in february, etc.
[05:52] <Jowi> BirdyKiller: what, not "12345" ?
[05:52] <FieldySnuts> kameron: right but i'm not interested in the breakages that page claims. i'd rather be able to apt-get it. i'll wait.
[05:52] <trappist> BirdyKiller: yeah I don't dig password expiry.  you get users with 30 passwords that change every few weeks and have to be secure, and they start taping them to their monitors because they're impossible to remember.
[05:52] <trappist> FieldySnuts: no breakage here
[05:53] <kameron> FieldySnuts: sure, just wait for updated package, shouldnt' be long
[05:53] <BirdyKiller> I'm good but I just can't do it... I count 60 passwords in my password managing software
[05:53] <BirdyKiller> a good quarter of them expire every 30-90 days
[05:53] <Inf3ctedFx> Hello everyone
[05:53] <jenda> Us dvorakers have it easy with passwords... instead of " qwerty ", we type " ',.py " :)
[05:54] <trappist> those dvorakers have all the luck
[05:54] <Tardis107> jenda: from?
[05:54] <BirdyKiller> lol
[05:54] <jenda> Tardis107: from?
[05:54] <BirdyKiller> hey jenda your nvidia working perfectly?
[05:54] <Inf3ctedFx> I use Partition Magic on windows partition and I just rezise my windows partiton and give more space to set linux partition, but now I dont know hoe to merge linux partition with the new one I just made any idea?
[05:54] <BirdyKiller> or did you just get the driver installed?
[05:54] <jenda> BirdyKiller: It seems :)
[05:55] <trappist> I like biometric passwords. place the tip of your nose on 'a' and roll your head to the right.
[05:55] <BirdyKiller> I want to see if you have the same issue as I do
[05:55] <BirdyKiller> have you rebooted since you installed the drivers?
[05:55] <jenda> Tardis107: Dvorak is an english layout
[05:55] <syl> hi... i want to get ksocrat-data package from multiverse but apt-get can't find it there though i can see it in Packages.gz file
[05:55] <Tardis107> ahh ok jenda
[05:55] <jenda> BirdyKiller: no, not yet
[05:55] <Tardis107> im from UK
[05:55] <Davey`> Tardis107: I'm so sorry
[05:56] <BirdyKiller> jenda, if you have the same issue as I do it won't work... you'll have to do everything all over after a reboot.. that's where I'm stuck
[05:56] <FieldySnuts> trappist: heh.
[05:56] <BirdyKiller> jenda, probably because I'm so damned tired at this point... I've tried mkinitrd and whatnot, I can't find anything that would be changing the settings..
[05:56] <jenda> BirdyKiller: And how did you install it?
[05:56] <miketech> Hi
[05:57] <dawid> hi
[05:57] <trappist> jenda: you still messing with the nvidia drivers?
[05:57] <BirdyKiller> jenda, typical sh nvidia....... etc
[05:57] <miketech> how can i test the current ubuntu development snapshot?
[05:57] <BirdyKiller> I am, he may have it fixed :)
[05:57] <Tardis107> Davey`: why so sorry Davey`?
[05:57] <jenda> trappist: done, I hope
[05:57] <Davey`> Tardis107: I'm an ex-pat ;)
[05:57] <trappist> BirdyKiller: what seems to be the problem
[05:57] <miketech> there are dapper install ISOs from 14th of december. is this the latest version?
[05:58] <BirdyKiller> trappist, finally got drivers installed but they're gone after reboot... I can get you the error in a second
[05:58] <Tardis107> Davey`:pat meaning...
[05:58] <Davey`> patriot
[05:58] <Chousuke> miketech: latest preview I suppose.
[05:58] <gnomefreak> dapper is not even in testing yet its still alpha
[05:58] <Chousuke> miketech: Dapper changes constantly until the freeze.
[05:58] <Davey`> Tardis107: I'm still technically British, but I live in Florida now. Its tonnes better. And cheaper :)
[05:58] <miketech> yeah sure, it is not for a productive system
[05:58] <strider> miketech: there are snapshots
[05:58] <strider> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/
[05:59] <miketech> ah thanks
[05:59] <Tardis107> Davey`:smooth move - you should buy a flat near orlando and rent it out to tourists
[05:59] <Chousuke> miketech: I would probably use it only if I was doing development on it
[05:59] <Chousuke> Hmm
[05:59] <ltorvalds2006> Hey, guys, can anyone help me here?
[05:59] <echeese> What repositories should I use?
[05:59] <Davey`> Tardis107: heh, my sis-in-law is an ex-estate-agent, from the horror stories, I think I'll pass :)
[05:59] <gnomefreak> ltorvalds2006, dont know what is the issue?
[05:59] <Davey`> Tardis107: I'm only 90 minutes from Orlando though :)
[06:00] <miketech> strider, but these are only live cds :)
[06:00] <BirdyKiller> bah I'll have to reboot it to get the error again I didn't save it anywhere...
[06:00] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell echeese about sources
[06:00] <Tardis107> Davey`: I guess it all depends on how much time/financial freedom you have
[06:00] <Chousuke> I wonder how many developers use Xen and install dapper as a virtual machine.
[06:00] <miketech> Chousuke, yeah exactly :)
[06:00] <Tardis107> Davey`90 minutes!!!
[06:00] <ltorvalds2006> I have just recently installed a second hard drive on my Ubuntu system, and Ubuntu is not seeing the second hard drive.
[06:01] <ltorvalds2006> In fact, the only hard drive Ubuntu sees is the one on which the OS was installed.
[06:01] <pureone> ltorvalds2006, fdisk -l as root
[06:01] <miketech> and there is no installation cd of ubuntu? only the live-cd?
[06:01] <miketech> i mean of the current snapshot
[06:02] <ltorvalds2006> "fdisk -l" as root, to find the second hard drive?
[06:02] <trappist> doh
[06:02] <dawid> how can i extract a *.* file oftype "rar"
[06:02] <strider> miketech: sorry
[06:02] <pureone> ltorvalds2006, to see if its there
[06:02] <strider> miketech: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[06:02] <deFrysk> dawid, sudo apt-get install rar-nonfree
[06:02] <pureone> dawid unrar e *.rar
[06:02] <miketech> ah great thanks
[06:02] <dawid> hehe thanks
[06:03] <strider> miketech: I upgraded from Breezy myself. check cdimage.ubuntu.com formore options
[06:03] <ltorvalds2006> Thanks, guys, I'll try it!
[06:03] <BirdyKiller> what's the difference between "generic default" and "generic" kernels anyways?
[06:04] <pureone> ltorvalds2006, if its there and you can see it then just format it to whatever filesystem you like and update fstab
[06:04] <kameron> BirdyKiller: one is default
[06:04] <miketech> ok
[06:04] <Tardis107> Poll:type SHIPIT if you know about ubuntu's shipit service
[06:04] <ltorvalds2006> er... "update fstab"?  how so?
[06:04] <pureone> vim /etc/fstab
[06:04] <pureone> man mount
[06:04] <r0bby___> ok good question what does this mean:
[06:04] <gnomefreak> Tardis107, everyone should know about it
[06:05] <Tardis107> hopefully gnome :)
[06:05] <r0bby___> 'can't recate mcop directory'\
[06:05] <BirdyKiller> trappist, "API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7667, but this X module is version 1.0.8178...please be sure they all have the same version"
[06:05] <echeese> thanks gnomefreak and ubotu
[06:05] <ltorvalds2006> i know how to access the "fstab" file... but what am i to put into it?
[06:05] <r0bby___> ubotu, , tell me about mcop
[06:05] <Tardis107> gnomefreak: have you ordered from shipit?
[06:05] <pureone> man mount will explain it ltorvalds2006
[06:05] <r0bby___> :x
[06:06] <ltorvalds2006> ok
[06:06] <yggdrasil> cool
[06:06] <ltorvalds2006> i'll get on that as soon as i can
[06:06] <gnomefreak> Tardis107, yes
[06:06] <r0bby___> ltorvalds2006 would know everything \
[06:06] <r0bby___> since if he's Linus Torvalds, wrote the kernel :)
[06:07] <echeese> heh
[06:07] <echeese> "man mount"
[06:07] <echeese> that's so gay
[06:07] <r0bby___> echeese, yeh I know
[06:07] <ltorvalds2006> r0bby___, i'm not the REAL Linus Torvalds
[06:07] <deFrysk> ltorvalds2006, should u not be in #kubuntu ? ;p
[06:07] <r0bby___> so hard to use manpages
[06:07] <pureone> yeah
[06:07] <r0bby___> imposter!
[06:07] <pureone> god forbid people actuly learn
[06:07] <dawid> can sum1 help me extract a rar file
[06:07] <ltorvalds2006> not entirely
[06:08] <dawid> when i try and right click and say extract it says "
[06:08] <dawid> Archive type not supported."
[06:08] <deFrysk> dawid, rightclick it in nautilus
[06:08] <deFrysk> dawid, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[06:08] <dawid> deFrysk : That package is not found
[06:08] <dawid> and yes i have enabled the universals
[06:08] <ompaul> !tell echeese about gay
[06:08] <deFrysk> dawid, also enable multiverse
[06:08] <pureone> apt-cache search ^unrar
[06:09] <r0bby___> so what does "can't create mcop directory"
[06:09] <deFrysk> !info unrar-nonfree
[06:09] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional.  I am trying to put ubuntu 5.10 on my chiefs Powerbook but apparently I need to have patched kernel to detect CDROM  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18579
[06:10] <pureone> hehe
[06:10] <yarko> could anyone point me to some description on how to rebuild the image or to say installation kernel since there is howto rebuild the image  http://www.wlug.org.nz/UbuntuRemastering
[06:10] <phos-phoros> my apologies
[06:10] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:10] <r0bby___> ever watch a disney movie and see them curse?
[06:10] <pureone> yeah
[06:10] <molinero> Somebody instalated in powepc?
[06:10] <dawid> deFrysk :I Have enabled all repos that were available includeing extras added
[06:10] <ompaul> echeese, :)
[06:10] <pureone> im used to the UK film ratings :)
[06:10] <pureone> in the uk its PG
[06:10] <r0bby___> well then this is pg
[06:10] <r0bby___> now
[06:10] <deFrysk> dawid, add multiverse to the universe lines
[06:10] <r0bby___> keep it pg
[06:11] <ompaul> pureone, no G = U or E in the UK
[06:11] <deFrysk> !repos
[06:11] <dawid> k
[06:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:11] <pureone> ah
[06:11] <ompaul> general / universal / exempt
[06:11] <deFrysk> dawid, read what ubotu just said
[06:11] <ompaul> !anyone
[06:11] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[06:11] <BirdyKiller> trappist, you have to tease me like that?  get me started and hopeful and then not say anything? :'(
[06:11] <zeyad> anybody can help me in installing Jap on ubuntu?
[06:11] <JoeBlow> can anyone successfully register here http://www.vmware.com/vmwarestore/newstore/register.jsp?status=new
[06:12] <dawid> ty
[06:12] <pureone> well im not going to swear :)
[06:12] <echeese> Is it safe to use the dapper sources and upgrade?
[06:12] <BirdyKiller> echeese, it's not even safe to leave your house
[06:12] <gnomefreak> safe dapper?
[06:12] <echeese> BirdyKiller, I've known that for years :|
[06:12] <JoeBlow> someone wanna see if they can find "Community Program" here http://www.vmware.com/vmwarestore/newstore/register.jsp?status=new
[06:12] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:13] <gnomefreak> echeese, dapper has more broken packages than you want right now :)
[06:13] <zeyad> I need help in installing jap on Ubuntu
[06:13] <BirdyKiller> JoeBlow, nope.. I'm not answering any more of your questions until my nvidia issue is settled :) even if it means buying women for every man who works on the drivers and kernel
[06:13] <jenda> !codecs
[06:13] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[06:13] <zeyad> ???
[06:13] <ompaul> echeese, you can use it in April on or after the 20th when it is a released
[06:14] <echeese> BAH.
[06:14] <JoeBlow> BirdyKiller, whats the problem, ive never dealt with nvidia, but u can try me
[06:14] <phos-phoros> I have set dma = on and cd_speed to the appropriate setting in hdparm.conf for my dvd drive, installed libdvdcss, mplayer/mplayer fonts and xine...and I am having problems with automount/mounting dvds, any help would be greatly appreciated
[06:14] <ompaul> echeese, in the mean time if you want to gamble you can install it but it is broken in parts and will remain like that with more and more changes until release day
[06:15] <BirdyKiller> JoeBlow, well problem #68 is what I pasted a minute ago to trappist...
[06:15] <gnomefreak> !info jap
[06:15] <phos-phoros> I can mount some dvds, just not what I would assume to be copywrite protected/encrypted discs even
[06:15] <phos-phoros> *copyright
[06:15] <dawid> THANKS de Frysk and the rest i got it to install now :-)
[06:15] <zeyad> any body can help me in installing JAP???
[06:15] <echeese> ompaul, oh dear, and there's no way to get rid of it?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> they still havent fixed the locales issue :(
[06:16] <ompaul> echeese, did you install the full beastie?
[06:16] <echeese> Not yet
[06:16] <gnomefreak> echeese, you have to re-install breezy :)
[06:16] <ompaul> echeese, so then you have breezy stay like that :)
[06:17] <BirdyKiller> JoeBlow, I'm assuming something was not fully removed from ubuntu's nvidia drivers and it's screwing up my config somehow when I reboot
[06:17] <BirdyKiller> JoeBlow, but at this point I'm just confused
[06:17] <delire> can someone confirm whether the stock breezy kernel comes with the serial_8250 module precompiled, or compiled into the kernel?
[06:18] <Ng> delire: [4294670.507000]  Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 48 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[06:18] <delire> eg, for those running breezy that have never compiled a kernel, could you? modprobe -l | grep serial_8250.
[06:18] <gnomefreak> stock kernel?
[06:18] <Ng> delire: that is in my dmesg, so it looks like it
[06:18] <delire> Ng: cheers
[06:18] <jean> salu sa fart?
[06:18] <gnomefreak> breezy has gone through 3 kernels if not more
[06:18] <delire> gnomefreak 2.6.12-10 is what i'm interested in.
[06:19] <nics__> BirdyKiller: the nvidia installer puts the defaultdepth to 24 which is wrong, needs to be 16, thats sometimes helps
[06:19] <ompaul> !fr
[06:19] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[06:19] <dawid> so does any1 have experience using cedega? or win4lin?
[06:19] <r0bby___> :-)
[06:19] <burumbu> finally solved it: /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier=disable in gconf-editor (to get rid of menu window popping when pressing ALT+mouse button)
[06:19] <delire> Ng: do you mind me asking what your system is?
[06:19] <jean> salu tu taplle commen? sex??in
[06:19] <delire> Ng: thinkpad?
[06:19] <phos-phoros> nics__, why is the default color depth of 24bit wrong?
[06:19] <phos-phoros> works fine with fglrx
[06:20] <darkritual> Any one here to help me with my surround set?
[06:20] <nics__> phos-phoros: for the nvidia driver, does not seem to like it
[06:20] <gnomefreak> jean try #ubuntu-fr
[06:20] <ompaul> Seveas, !!!!
[06:20] <Ng> delire: a dell latitude d600
[06:20] <burning_bronx> ah it's the gnomefreak
[06:20] <delire> Ng: do you have a Connexant modem onboard?
[06:20] <burning_bronx> how's the holidays :P
[06:20] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> good and yours?
[06:21] <burning_bronx> I am kinda sick
[06:21] <burning_bronx> flu killed me
[06:21] <gnomefreak> sorry to hear that
[06:21] <nics__> well actually it does but certain configs bugger up
[06:21] <burning_bronx> I'll live through it
[06:21] <ves_> Would anybody have any ideas why on boot I can't cd into my home directory with an "Unable to open /home/gavin" dir despite the permissions, ownership, and having myself added to the sudoers, and the only way to startx is via root?
[06:22] <delire> ves_ likely the directory isn't exectuble. should read drwx...
[06:22] <trappist> ves_: you're positive about permissions?  what are the permissions?
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ves_,  i dont remember haivng to be root to use startx
[06:22] <Ng> delire: not sure, I'm on a company LAN, sorry
[06:22] <ves_> I'm positive about the persmissions..
[06:23] <ves_> I've went as far to chmod 777 my whole home dir
[06:23] <delire> 'ls -l /home/you'
[06:23] <jean> salu sa fart
[06:23] <jean> je sui brice de nice le roi de la pice?
[06:23] <jean> in in oue
[06:23] <delire> ves_ that's just the contents, not the directory itself.
[06:23] <delire> a directory is a file.
[06:23] <r0bby___> english only please
[06:23] <trappist> !fr
[06:23] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[06:23] <BirdyKiller> nics__, that's not it... getting the "the NVIDIA kernel module is 1.0.7667, but this X module is version 1.0.8178.  Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same version"
[06:23] <delire> Ng: right, cheers
[06:23] <ves_> delire: I did chown -R gavin:gavin /home/gavin and chmod 755 -R /home/gavin?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell jean about fr
[06:24] <dawid> DOES any1 object to me installing Win4Lin, or is there any reason why it could ruin my distro?
[06:24] <nics__> BirdyKiller: ahh ok, you upgraded the kernel?
[06:24] <ves_> added myself to sudoers and yet any time I try and login it gives Unable to open cd /home/gavin
[06:24] <Ng> delire: lspci suggests it's an intel modem anyway, sorry
[06:24] <w-mute> Hey, folks. During installation I get a hang with a blue screen just before the partitioner starts up. Any ideas why?
[06:24] <ompaul> jean,   >>>>/join #ubuntu-fr<<<<<<<< pour vous!!!!
[06:24] <yggdrasil> Hey folks thatnks for all the help
[06:24] <nics__> ves_: whatabout the perms on /home ?
[06:24] <delire> ves_ paste the output of 'ls -l /home | grep gavin'
[06:24] <trappist> nics__: good thinkin
[06:24] <ves_> k, the machines up stairs and I can't ssh atm so two seconds
[06:24] <nics__> cheers :-)
[06:25] <BirdyKiller> nics__, I upgraded kernel before I installed the drivers... several reboots in between and I've re-installed em since.. it does it everytime I reboot I have to re-install drivers
[06:25] <dawid> how can i edit my partitions from within ubuntu, i stil have free space?
[06:25] <ves_> nics__, delire: drwxr-xr-x gavin gavin
[06:25] <ompaul> dawid, fdisk will walk you though it if you know the partition name
[06:26] <nics__> BirdyKiller: if I remember getting my dapper install working I had to upgrade the restricted kernel modules as well and then re-install the nvidia drivers, all from synaptic
[06:26] <dawid> ty
[06:26] <ubuntu__> hello
[06:26] <nics__> ves_: and on /home itself?
[06:26] <ompaul> dawid, I presume you mean that you want to bring more space to ubuntu - not change existing sizes
[06:26] <Jowi> delire and the rest. dont think it is either a non-existent user problem or a userdir permission problem. new users get the same error.
[06:26] <burning_bronx> yo
[06:26] <BirdyKiller> nics__, can't even get into synaptic at the moment but I'll give it a shot...
[06:26] <dawid> yes :-)
[06:26] <ves_> nics__: two secs again sorry :)
[06:26] <nics__> BirdyKiller: oops :-) should have realised that
[06:26] <Jowi> delire: ves_ problem that is. anyway, need to go.
[06:26] <ubuntu__> im on the live cd in linux, ive never had the internet before, whats there to do in linux now? :D . Is it possible to change colorso f things etc?
[06:27] <delire> Jowi so it's a known bug of some sort?
[06:27] <Ng> ubuntu__: system->preferences->theme
[06:27] <Ng> ubuntu__: as for what is there to do, have a look through the applications menu
[06:27] <BirdyKiller> done an apt-get dist-upgrade and update and I'm out of new stuff there
[06:27] <trappist> ves_: why not try creating a new user and starting from scratch thusly
[06:27] <Jowi> delire: not a bug, ves_ system got messed up and is now using the recovery mode
[06:27] <Jowi> night all
[06:27] <Ng> ubuntu__: but there are many many more things that aren't installed, there are thousands of ubuntu packages available online :)
[06:27] <delire> thanks, bye
[06:27] <nics__> BirdyKiller: could always change the driver back to nv in xorg.conf for the time being
[06:27] <ubuntu__> anything what can make it do cool stuff? ;o
[06:28] <teclis> Does anyone know a good graphical svn-client?
[06:28] <ompaul> ubuntu_, 17500
[06:28] <BirdyKiller> nics__, I have to use nvidia one because nv crashes on me
[06:28] <ompaul> ubuntu_, define cool
[06:28] <ubuntu__> i thought that would come up, and im not sure how i can define cool
[06:28] <ubuntu__> but what can you do more on linux then windows?
[06:28] <w-mute> Thanks, folks. I got it. There was a windows partition on the HD and everything works smoothly since I removed it.
[06:28] <ves_> trappist: I've tried that but I get the same error
[06:29] <ubuntu__> can i install java using live cd and try a dl ?
[06:29] <nics__> BirdyKiller: really? bugga thats not good
[06:29] <ves_> unable to cd to the users home dir
[06:29] <ompaul> ubuntu_, one persons cool is another persons drool, as I was told by some school kids, who installed Ubuntu themselves
[06:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul, thats base sources.list with just universe right? (17500)
[06:29] <burning_bronx> ubuntu__, you need to have an idea of what you want to do
[06:29] <ves_> nics__: /home is drwxr-xr-x root root
[06:29] <ubuntu__> i want to get gaim back open
[06:29] <BirdyKiller> nics__, yeah.. I'm thinking maybe if I reinstall again from scratch and try over...
[06:29] <trappist> ves_: anything in dmesg?
[06:29] <ompaul> gnomefreak, think so
[06:29] <BirdyKiller> nics__, but this is already a scratch install
[06:29] <C-O-L-T> hello
[06:29] <ubuntu__> i closed it and im still chatting but its dissapeared
[06:29] <nics__> lol
[06:29] <C-O-L-T> who can help to me?
[06:29] <ves_> trappist: two secs again :) man I'm getting a workout
[06:29] <ompaul> gnomefreak, now you have me doubting myself
[06:29] <delire> ves_ and /home/gavin?
[06:29] <trappist> C-O-L-T: nobody if you don't ask a question
[06:29] <gnomefreak> ompaul, lol
[06:30] <ompaul> !tell C-O-L-T about enter
[06:30] <BirdyKiller> hmm maybe i can grep 1.0.7667 and see WHAT is referring to that version
[06:30] <C-O-L-T> I have Kubuntu but I installed GNOME. Everything works fine the only problem is that I can not play music with Rythmbox!
[06:30] <C-O-L-T> I can play media with Totem xine
[06:30] <gnomefreak> ubuntu_, right click and configure the bottom bar and i think its taskmanager you want back on bar
[06:30] <nics__> BirdyKiler: you tried seeing what sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade thinks needs upgrading?
[06:30] <ubuntu__> how do you change the port in BitTorrent-GNOME
[06:30] <C-O-L-T> and I had to download xine engine for amarok and kaffeine too
[06:30] <polpak> C-O-L-T, did you install all the gstreamer codecs?
[06:31] <dawid> NTFS Write is not supported, wht not?
[06:31] <BirdyKiller> nics__, yup
[06:31] <Seveas> dawid, it's still unsafe
[06:31] <burning_bronx> dawid, it could kill your system big time :)
[06:31] <dawid> yes but whats the holdup..
[06:31] <BirdyKiller> nics__, 0 left
[06:31] <burning_bronx> you're free to try
[06:31] <polpak> dawid, too much potential to damage your system
[06:31] <C-O-L-T> polpak: I need xine not gstreamer, I needed xine on Kubuntu too
[06:31] <trappist> dawid: ntfs is very hard to reverse-engineer.  there will be write support in 2.6.15 though.
[06:31] <ompaul> dawid, cos the nice people that own it will not tell the world how to interoperate with it
[06:31] <dawid> i mean i know M$ create crap i deas but it cant be that difficult
[06:31] <ves_> http://gav.brokentrain.net/upload/syslog
[06:31] <burning_bronx> dawid, actually if you have your ntfs system backed up you should really try ntfs write
[06:31] <burning_bronx> :P
[06:31] <dawid> u mean M$ wont give out how it works
[06:31] <polpak> C-O-L-T, rhythmnbox uses gstreamer afaik
[06:31] <burning_bronx> help with feedback
[06:31] <Seveas> dawid, indeed
[06:32] <ves_> delire: same thing only with gavin gavin
[06:32] <bash0> hi guys
[06:32] <dawid> burning_bronx : There is no way im turning experimental writing on.. nooo my music and movies.. nooo
[06:32] <C-O-L-T> popak: so what to do then?
[06:32] <ubuntu__> hello? -.-
[06:32] <bash0> got myself breeze onto my lappy! really nice OS!!
[06:32] <trappist> dawid: you underestimate how hard it is.  you open the filesystem in a hex editor, make a small change, see what happened, kiss your filesystem goodbye, make a new one, rinse and repeat.
[06:32] <polpak> C-O-L-T, install all the gstreamer codecs
[06:32] <BirdyKiller> nics__, maybe I can just setup an ssh server and tell my brother he can have $50 and one of my best cigars if he fixes it...
[06:32] <polpak> ubotu tell C-O-L-T about restriced
[06:33] <strokey> How do i install Sun Java on linux? :x
[06:33] <bash0> i love the fancy startup script... using sid on my desktop and it's really a fancy laptop now
[06:33] <ves_> trouble started about 15:32:39
[06:33] <polpak> ubotu tell strokey about restriced
[06:33] <trappist> BirdyKiller: I'll volunteer to be your brother
[06:33] <trappist> !tell strokey about java
[06:33] <dawid> trappist : Well since i heard the word reverse-engineer im going to shutup cause i just so happen to know how complex HEX editing is.. hehe
[06:33] <BirdyKiller> trappist, you haven't said a single thing to me since you asked what the problem was :)
[06:33] <polpak> strokey, read the restriced wiki, it's there
[06:33] <C-O-L-T> polpak: I say again that I have Kubuntu and I just installed GNOME. Everything works in Kubuntu mp3, avi, with xine engines
[06:33] <polpak> strokey, as are many other helpful hints
[06:33] <bash0> could you tell me how i could get sw-suspend to work without loosing the fancy startup script?
[06:33] <delire> ves_ i really don't know what's up. you can't 'sudo cd /home/gavin'?
[06:33] <C-O-L-T> polpak: And Totem works with xine
[06:33] <trappist> BirdyKiller: sorry, I stepped away and may have missed something :)
[06:34] <polpak> C-O-L-T, I know that. But you want to use rhythmnbox which uses gstreamer
[06:34] <yggdrasil> xchat still has a bit of problems with transperency
[06:34] <ves_> delire: I can do that as root, but not as 'gavin' because I can't login to gavin
[06:34] <yggdrasil> kinda lame
[06:34] <polpak> C-O-L-T, so you need gstreamer plugins.
[06:34] <nics__> BirdyKiller: lol. have you checked what nvidia packages you have installed?
[06:34] <C-O-L-T> polpak: how to get that
[06:34] <ves_> sudo cd /home/gavin as root gives an unable to open /etc/sudoers permission denied error
[06:34] <trappist> ves_: if you're root, can you su to gavin?
[06:34] <bash0> any laptop users in here? know a laptop channel for ubuntu users?
[06:34] <burning_bronx> I am a laptop user >.>
[06:34] <Seveas> C-O-L-T, add my repo and install ubuntu-multimedia-gnome to get all you need for multimedia on gnome
[06:34] <polpak> C-O-L-T, ubotu just told you. Go to the restriced formats wiki
[06:34] <Seveas> that's the easiest
[06:34] <burning_bronx> it's the same stiff - only diff hardware
[06:34] <BirdyKiller> trappist, I thought I removed em all, but I don't know the command to check :)
[06:35] <delire> ves_ well you don't need to sudo if you're root.
[06:35] <bash0> burning_bronx: you got software suspend working with ubuntu?
[06:35] <trappist> BirdyKiller: removed all what?  command to check what?
[06:35] <sovvy2009> Hey all - whos heard of micronations?
[06:35] <ves_> delire: I'm only root through the recovery console
[06:35] <StarKruzr> burning_bronx: are you actually from the Bronx?
[06:35] <C-O-L-T> Seveas: how to add your repo
[06:35] <BirdyKiller> trappist, removed all nvidia packages, command to check if any linger
[06:35] <delire> ves_ in other words you saying you can't cd /home/gavin as root? bizarre.
[06:35] <Seveas> !tell C-O-L-T about seveas
[06:35] <bash0> sure why would he name himself like that if he wouldnt be? :-P
[06:35] <ves_> delire: I can't login to root anywhere else, cause the login is invalid or something
[06:35] <BirdyKiller> I'm sure that's the problem I just can't FIND em anywhere
[06:35] <trappist> BirdyKiller: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[06:35] <polpak> tell ves_ about root
[06:35] <delire> ves_ is this an old system?
[06:35] <polpak> !tell ves_ about root
[06:35] <delire> polpak he knows about root..
[06:35] <ves_> delire: no, breezy
[06:36] <bash0> !tell me about swsuspend
[06:36] <polpak> Delgul_at_work, oh
[06:36] <burning_bronx> StarKruzr, if I was from the bronx I wouldn't ever put such a nickname on
[06:36] <bash0> aah ubotu... nice name
[06:36] <kremonte> is there anyway to install ubuntu w/ a wireless network w/ a wep key?
[06:36] <StarKruzr> O_o
[06:36] <polpak> delire, err... You sure?
[06:36] <StarKruzr> dude
[06:36] <bash0> ubet ubotu
[06:36] <strokey> can someone just pm me in how to install java, thats all i wanna do :o
[06:36] <StarKruzr> I'M from the Bronx and it wouldn't bother me terribly.  :p
[06:36] <ves_> adduser deluser, works fine but I can't loging to the newly created account with the same erro "unable to cd /home/xxx"
[06:36] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell kremonte about install
[06:36] <polpak> strokey, I had ubotu do that already
[06:36] <BirdyKiller> trappist, thanks.  apt-get and I have to have a little talk.  I see nvidia-glx even though I distinctly remember removing it.
[06:36] <bash0> strokey did you try dpkg -i javapackage ?
[06:36] <polpak> ubotu tell strokey about restricted
[06:37] <strokey> that tells me lots of other info polpak , thats not helpful :/
[06:37] <bash0> wow DangerMouse!!
[06:37] <polpak> strokey, even the part called "Installing SUN Java" ????
[06:37] <bash0> the famouse DM is back
[06:37] <delire> ves_ so when you boot up you're just a dumped to a root prompt?
[06:37] <ves_> delire: yeah, basically
[06:37] <ves_> and I can't even login from there
[06:37] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell strokey about java
[06:38] <ves_> need to stick in the install disk and boot recovery
[06:38] <strokey> !javadebs
[06:38] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[06:38] <BirdyKiller> trappist, there's also an nvidia-kernel-common, but I can't remove it without removing linux-amd64-generic etc.
[06:38] <nics__> BirdyKiller: I have nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings installed
[06:38] <PerryJr> hello
[06:38] <TaQ> hello there! the Ubuntu graphical package manager is Smart, right?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> everyone alwasy takes the easy way :(
[06:38] <kremonte> can't find anyone on the wiki =/
[06:38] <ves_> delire: the trouble all started with an accidental ctrl+c during a make install, installing banshee
[06:38] <kremonte> anytghing*
[06:38] <trappist> TaQ: define smart.
[06:38] <kremonte> anything* >.>
[06:38] <BirdyKiller> nics__, but are you using nvidia drivers from their website?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> what are people gonna do when that server dies?
[06:38] <delire> ves_ quite bizarre. i'd reinstall.
[06:39] <bash0> so guys... u dont use software suspend hu?
[06:39] <TaQ> trappist, http://zorked.net/smart/doc/README.html
[06:39] <ves_> delire: that's what I'm thinking :(
[06:39] <burning_bronx> reinstall is for wimps :P
[06:39] <polpak> gnomefreak, that's why I always point them to the restricted format wiki
[06:39] <nics__> BirdyKiller: no from synaptic repositries
[06:39] <trappist> bash0: software suspend works on some laptops and not others
[06:39] <ves_> damn
[06:39] <BirdyKiller> nics__, that's the issue :P
[06:39] <trappist> TaQ: no thanks
[06:39] <delire> ves_ it will take less time to reinstall this partially installed system that it would to recover a broken one. as far as i can see login itself is not installed properly. you could try a 'dpkg --configure -a'
[06:39] <gnomefreak> polpak, i shouldnt say anyting i use a java repo :(
[06:39] <bash0> trappist: yah it works on mine... fact is i don't know if there's a ubuntu swsuspend or something
[06:39] <polpak> gnomefreak, =p
[06:39] <TaQ> trappist, but is that graphical package manager that comes by default with Ubuntu ?
[06:40] <nics__> BirdyKiller: if its any comfort they work fine and I have xcompmgr making it look loooovely
[06:40] <ves_> delire: I'll give that a try and failing that reinstall unless anyone else has anything else to try..
[06:40] <BirdyKiller> nics__, they don't work on newer geforce cards
[06:40] <trappist> TaQ: synaptic is... and there are others
[06:40] <delire> ves_ ok, good luck.
[06:40] <Stork> i forget how to install java :\ lol
[06:40] <delire> nics__ screenshot?
[06:40] <ves_> delire: cheers for your time and help though
[06:40] <TaQ> trappist, oh man, both with "s", I messed the things. thanks!
[06:40] <nics__> BirdyKiller: really? mine is a g-force go5200 ( ? ) I think
[06:40] <delire> ves_ no problem. good luck there ;)
[06:40] <polpak> ubotu tell Stork about restricted
[06:40] <trappist> bash0: it's not ubuntu-specific.  every laptop I've ever seen will do a software suspend, but they're not all supported by linux.
[06:40] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell Stork about java
[06:41] <ves_> delire: I can even boot X on root, so failing that I could just root forever! :)
[06:41] <Stork> i followed the tutorial on help.ubuntu.com but i don't know how to set the environmental variables
[06:41] <nics__> delire: where can i send one?
[06:41] <delire> ves_ hmm, not wise ;)
[06:41] <trappist> Stork: export VARIABLE=value
[06:41] <ves_> delire: :)
[06:41] <polpak> Stork, yeah.. you should check the wiki. It explains how to specify which version of java you want to use as 'java' on your system
[06:41] <BirdyKiller> nics__, geforce 7800 doesn't like em much..  no idea why but it seems to be a widespread problem.  Stock install from ubuntu CD left me with a crashed system.  Had to use my reset button for the very first time
[06:42] <delire> nics__ it's not important. you could use flicker or even http://www.lynucs.org/
[06:42] <StarKruzr> I miss having a dog.
[06:43] <nics__> BirdyKiller: nightmare, suprised the generic nv drivers don't work though as they aren't from nvidia and just do 2d stuff
[06:43] <dawid> what do we do wit *.rpm ?
[06:43] <trappist> dawid: you mostly ignore them
[06:43] <dawid> hehe
[06:43] <StarKruzr> dawid: you can use a tool called alien to make .debs out of them.
[06:44] <polpak> dawid, well you can use alien to turn it into a deb, but you should try to find suitable deb replacements if you can
[06:44] <nics__> delire: I'll pass then for the mo :-) just have it set so that windows fade in and out with a drop shadow, all very nice but you HAVE to hardware acceleration for it to be usable
[06:44] <trappist> dawid: if you *had* to install an rpm you could use alien to convert it to .deb
[06:44] <dawid> okay thanks.. thats what i wanted to know, i have a deb and a rpm so obviously ill go with deb :-)
[06:44] <StarKruzr> trappist: does that carry over the dependencies too?
[06:45] <delire> nics__ np
[06:45] <trappist> StarKruzr: packages built for a completely different system with different package naming conventions can't really translate dependencies like that, so no.
[06:45] <gnomefreak> !alien
[06:45] <ubotu> it has been said that alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[06:45] <delire> i've never had an issue
[06:45] <BirdyKiller> does anyone know where I put my ubuntu CD? :)
[06:46] <gnomefreak> BirdyKiller, in the cd rom drive?
[06:46] <BirdyKiller> nope :(
[06:46] <gnomefreak> than nope si=orry :(
[06:46] <gnomefreak> sorry even
[06:47] <BirdyKiller> hmph... I refuse to burn a new copy just because I can't find mine
[06:47] <BirdyKiller> got it!  under the water bottle
[06:47] <castidad> hello!
[06:48] <gnomefreak> BirdyKiller, im thinking and correct me if im wrong but thats not a good place for it :(
[06:48] <castidad> I'm trying to sove a problem with the "macromedia" Flash fonts!
[06:48] <castidad> The test in Flash movies is not diaplaying at all?
[06:48] <castidad> anybody has any idea?
[06:48] <BirdyKiller> gnomefreak, agreed.  I promptly moved it back to the cd-rom drive where it belongs.
[06:49] <gnomefreak> lol BirdyKiller
[06:49] <mwe> castidad: you say you have problems with fonts, or flash doesn't work at all?
[06:49] <gnomefreak> !flash
[06:49] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:49] <kremonte> !freeformats
[06:49] <ubotu> hmm... freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[06:49] <Stork> DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=amd64-linux fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin
[06:49] <Stork> what's wrong with that?
[06:49] <AstralJava> Hello everyone. Is there anyone who has managed to get IrDA work?
[06:50] <nics__> BirdyKiller: have you looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85888
[06:50] <castidad> No! Flash works! (with images and animations), but when in every part of a movie which is supposed to diplay test (tested in other dsitributions and in WinXP) it does'nt. Thanks for answering
[06:50] <trappist> StarKruzr: the sun jre isn't open source and can't be compiled, so that won't make a i586 binary a 64-bit executable
[06:50] <StarKruzr> I think IRDA worked for me in The Distant Past(TM)
[06:51] <trappist> oops
[06:51] <cees> hoi
[06:51] <trappist> Stork: the sun jre isn't open source and can't be compiled, so that won't make a i586 binary a 64-bit executable
[06:51] <pinucset> one think, i've linux in ext3 and a partition with nothing (without format), how can i do linux ext3 partition higher?
[06:51] <cees> hello  all
[06:51] <Stork> i see, i just took that off the RestrictedFormats article
[06:52] <castidad> hey anybody? mew?
[06:52] <castidad> hey anybody? mewe
[06:52] <mwe> castidad: flash player needs certain fonts. I don't remember which ones though. sorry
[06:52] <castidad> hey anybody? mwe?
[06:52] <gnomefreak> !fonts
[06:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:52] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: You wouldn't happen to know what is wrong with Ubuntu Breezy?
[06:52] <mwe> castidad: I think the installer says which ones it needs
[06:53] <BirdyKiller> nics__, don't think I saw that one.. will give it a shot.... do you know how to force removal of a package that you already removed but can still be found with dpkg?
[06:53] <StarKruzr> well, what module handles the IRDA device, AstralJava?
[06:53] <gnomefreak> with -f maybe?
[06:53] <StarKruzr> you might wanna look in dmesg and see what it has to say about IRDA.
[06:53] <nics__> BirdyKiller: nope, --force-remove?
[06:53] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: I'm trying to modprobe smsc-ircc2, but it claims there is no such device
[06:54] <BirdyKiller> 'says it's not installed so not removed...
[06:54] <StarKruzr> AstralJava: has it ever worked?
[06:54] <StarKruzr> and does it work in Windows?
[06:54] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: Yes, it works in WinXP
[06:54] <StarKruzr> okay
[06:54] <BirdyKiller> maybe I should just reinstall, recompile kernel after removing all the nvidia crap and make another attempt
[06:54] <castidad> mwe: the installer of Flash (download form macromedia) does not say it
[06:54] <StarKruzr> so then smsc-ircc2 is more than likely the wrong module, no?
[06:54] <mwe> BirdyKiller: install it again. then remove it
[06:54] <nics__> BirdyKiller: dpkg -purge?
[06:54] <mwe> castidad: well it did for me
[06:55] <castidad> the one downloaded form Mmedia?
[06:55] <BirdyKiller> mwe, that's some damned good microsoft logic.  it just might work.
[06:55] <mwe> BirdyKiller: it does
[06:55] <mwe> BirdyKiller: or rather did for me once
[06:55] <BirdyKiller> well it can't make matters WORSE, that's for sure
[06:56] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: I wouldn't be surprised, but then I can't find information about what other module to use. How could I find out whether the system recognizes the hardware at all?
[06:56] <BirdyKiller> sigh
[06:56] <StarKruzr> well, you're not spelling it wrong.  when I did modprobe yourmom just now it said FATAL: module yourmom not found
[06:56] <gnomefreak> someone told me theres a new virus for linux lmao he said its in .exe format :(
[06:56] <StarKruzr> well, here's the thing
[06:56] <BirdyKiller> well well well :(
[06:56] <preglow> would changing sources.list to ubuntu repos on a standard debian work as a means of installing ubuntu?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> preglow, it could give you issues
[06:57] <preglow> gnomefreak: yeah, i'm aware of that, i'm just wondering if it _could_ work :)
[06:57] <StarKruzr> if the hardware is there, barring the possbility of you having some wildly bizarre architecture Linux doesn't understand, when you modprobe it it should at least fail in a more useful way than "no such device."
[06:57] <StarKruzr> huh.
[06:57] <BirdyKiller> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1' with different file '/usr/lib32/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed
[06:57] <StarKruzr> I wonder if there is an entry in /dev for it.
[06:57] <BirdyKiller> dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx (--remove):
[06:58] <Manifold> Guys.
[06:58] <Manifold> Where's the menu file for Ubuntu stored?
[06:58] <gnomefreak> preglow, like i said could give you problems so i would say no to be on safe side
[06:58] <mwe> preglow: debian packages can break your system. however putting any apt mirror in sources.list will make apt use it
[06:58] <Manifold> I know how to edit the menu file, but I can't find the file itself.
[06:58] <preglow> i need decent distro desperately, and have no blank cdrs around
[06:58] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: There is /dev/ircomm*
[06:58] <preglow> hrmph
[06:59] <bash0> wow got kicked
[06:59] <Manifold> preglow, buy a CDR.
[06:59] <BirdyKiller> like the /boot/grub/menu.list ?
[06:59] <mwe> preglow: I would strongly recommend against putting debian mirrors in there though
[06:59] <bash0> guys software suspend works in ubuntu... hadn't though... you just logout of gnome and say hibernate
[06:59] <nicodein_> hi, does anyone running ubuntu-amd64 have problems with ugly fonts (in xmms menus and in vlc for example) ?
[06:59] <StarKruzr> ok, so the system DOES see the hardware.
[06:59] <bash0> thats cool... thought maybe i had to put swsusp2 into ubuntu somehow but 1 is enough.. so cool
[07:00] <StarKruzr> I dunno, dude.  it sounds like maybe you have a different IR controller than you think you do.
[07:00] <mwe> nicodein_: the fonts in those apps are ugly in any linux version
[07:00] <Manifold> I'm looking for the GNOME Menu, BirdyKiller
[07:00] <nicodein_> mwe : I meant uglier ;)
[07:00] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: Right, so which command might give me more info on detecting the hardware?
[07:00] <mwe> nicodein_: you can limit the pain with "switch" though, to choose a different gtk1 theme
[07:00] <mwe> nicodein_: and font. it wont let you use ttf fonts though
[07:01] <BirdyKiller> Manifold, sorry, I'm just a newbie :)  I dunno
[07:01] <Manifold> :/
[07:01] <Manifold> Oh well.
[07:01] <BirdyKiller> I'm sure one of these guys does...
[07:01] <gnomefreak> locate gnome menu might give you a path
[07:01] <marc__> Can someone point me toward a link that discusses the major diff between Ubuntu and mandriva.  I am a mandriva user and am looking to switch distros.
[07:01] <trappist> nicodein_: one of the first things I do with a new install of any distro is follow the font deuglification howto
[07:01] <gnomefreak> i have all kinds of crap going on over here or i would try
[07:02] <StarKruzr> AstralJava: hell if I know.  that you're going to have to look through the repos for - I don't know of anything that's installed by default that lets you poke around in your hardware like that.
[07:02] <bash0> okay enough gushing
[07:02] <mwe> nicodein_: however I keep hearing about multimedia problems like stuff not working or only working half in ubuntu 64bit. I hear the recommendation is to use the 32 bit version for now
[07:02] <bash0> see yas!!!
[07:02] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: Okay, thanks for your help! Muchly appreciated!
[07:02] <StarKruzr> wish I could help more :/
[07:02] <trappist> marc__: I used to be a mandriva user.  they're similar in that they try to make everything 'just work' and they're both primarily desktop distros.  I think ubuntu does a better job, and it's community-driven rather than corporate.
[07:03] <StarKruzr> aw
[07:03] <StarKruzr> Mandriva's not so bad!
[07:03] <gnomefreak> marc, the first thing you will notice is the package manager is not the same and either are the packages you can use :)
[07:03] <nicodein_> mwe : so my problems come from the fact it's the amd64 version ?
[07:03] <AstralJava> StarKruzr: Well you confirmed my guesses on that I've done right thus far.
[07:03] <venti[b0p] > hi
[07:03] <StarKruzr> I think you have, yeah.
[07:03] <mwe> nicodein_: I don't know about your font problem
[07:03] <gnomefreak> i lied first thing you will notice is ubuntu doesnt cost a dime :))
[07:04] <StarKruzr> does anyone know if there is a way to start the Ubuntu installer from the command line of an existing Linux system?
[07:04] <mwe> nicodein_: you can't get flash or the java plugin to work in 64 bit ubuntu either
[07:04] <BirdyKiller> any idea what to do when install/remove won't work, dpkg --purge won't work...
[07:04] <marc__> How long does it take for the cd to come in the mail, I ordered them today?
[07:04] <nicodein_> mwe : yes I figured out that
[07:04] <nicodein_> but it seems I'm lacking some fonts
[07:04] <trappist> BirdyKiller: dpkg -L the package and remove its files
[07:04] <gnomefreak> 6-8 weeks give or take
[07:04] <mwe> nicodein_: I can't find all the codecs you need for 64bit either
[07:04] <venti[b0p] > I've got a weird problem with Ubuntu-Linux and wake-on-lan. Every time I shutdown my system with ubuntu, i cannot wake it up again with wake-on-lan.
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> http://thunar.xfce.org/screenshots.xhtml  XFCE gets Nautilus :P
[07:05] <mwe> nicodein_: maybe. I think you can use "switch" like I mentioned to choose a different font
[07:05] <BirdyKiller> trappist, thank you!
[07:06] <venti> How do I make wake-on-lan work together with Ubuntu?
[07:06] <nicodein_> mwe : ok I'm gonna try it, and if not successful I'll switch to the 32bits version of ubuntu
[07:06] <nicodein_> mwe : by the way, is that normal there's so few package updates on ubuntu64 ?
[07:06] <deltron> not enough compiled for it? :P
[07:06] <Manifold> Argh. Where is the GNOME menu file stored? :/
[07:06] <mwe> nicodein_: I think you be better off with the 32bit version for now. btw switch is in the pacage "gtk-theme-switch"
[07:06] <trappist> venti: I don't use wol but I have to assume powered-off means powered-off whether ubuntu did it or something else
[07:07] <StarKruzr> is it possible to apt-get upgrade from Dapper to Breezy?
[07:07] <trappist> StarKruzr: that would be a downgrade
[07:07] <StarKruzr> or will that completely destroy everything and leave my system a hulking wreck?
[07:07] <mwe> nicodein_: I think there are less, yes. however enable universe and multiverse
[07:07] <StarKruzr> yes, but there is no apt-get downgrade, is there?
[07:07] <trappist> nope
[07:07] <nicodein_> mwe : it's already done
[07:07] <marc__> trappist: in comparison to mandriva, what is the range of installable software, I mean is there an equiv PLF type repo?
[07:07] <StarKruzr> so, should it work?
[07:07] <gnomefreak> stark-johan, it would be safer to fresh install breezy this way no broken packages stay around
[07:07] <nicodein_> I think I'll switch back to the 32bits
[07:08] <nicodein_> thanks for your help :)
[07:08] <mwe> nicodein_: the 64bit version doesn't seem ready for desktops
[07:08] <venti> trappist: It does work if press the ATX-power button while being within GRUB and when the PC is turned off by Windows XP.
[07:08] <trappist> marc__: yes, I don't know of a single thing you mandriva has packaged that ubuntu doesn't, and the 'restricted' repositories are even easier to setup and use in ubuntu.
[07:08] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell marc__ about sources
[07:08] <BirdyKiller> mwe, I couldn't agree more
[07:08] <StarKruzr> gnomefreak: I can't.  I have no removable media on this system and apparently there is no way to install Linux from Linux without setting up a PXE boot system.
[07:08] <mwe> BirdyKiller: it's probably fine for a server only machine
[07:09] <venti> btw, i have Ubuntu 5.10 (installed yesterday and update using apt).
[07:09] <gnomefreak> stark-johan, isnt there a net install?
[07:09] <StarKruzr> what I want to do is start the installer from the Linux command line.
[07:09] <gnomefreak> mount iso image and go :)
[07:10] <StarKruzr> ... mount... iso image...?
[07:10] <trappist> venti: maybe gnome's shutdown menu item calls halt -i (I don't use gnome, but that could cause an issue, I'd think)
[07:10] <StarKruzr> you can do that?
[07:10] <BirdyKiller> mwe, yeah, but pointless unless the server needs >4GB RAM...
[07:10] <gnomefreak> !install
[07:10] <ubotu> methinks install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[07:10] <StarKruzr> I'm already there.
[07:10] <StarKruzr> it doesn't say anything about that.
[07:10] <gnomefreak> read the net install on that site
[07:10] <olicat> any ideas how i can ssh onto a network on a different subnet?
[07:10] <StarKruzr> net install on that site is all about PXE booting and stuff.
[07:10] <trappist> StarKruzr: yes, you can install from an iso on the hard drive
[07:11] <nics__> olicat: you need to be able to route to it
[07:11] <nics__> can you ping the remote ip?
[07:11] <venti> trappist: halt -i ? what does this mean, that when i log on to the console and enter just "halt" it is something different than using the gnome button???
[07:11] <olicat> nics__, how do you do that?
[07:11] <StarKruzr> trappist: that would be awesome.  can you tell me where to find info on that?
[07:11] <trappist> venti: again, I don't use gnome and I don't know what the button does, but the halt man page has a few details
[07:12] <nics__> olicat: try traceroute <ip number> , is this on a work network?
[07:12] <venti> trappist: thx
[07:12] <mwe> BirdyKiller: maybe. There ought to be a warning a the download site about it I think
[07:12] <mihai_> I have a curiosity. If I install kubuntu from synaptic how will I switch between kde and gnome?
[07:12] <trappist> StarKruzr: I dunno, I just did an install last night and shortly after choosing 'expert' it gave me the option to find an iso on the hard drive to use as the install medium
[07:12] <olicat> nics__, on a work network yeah
[07:12] <StarKruzr> but dude
[07:12] <StarKruzr> you have to *start the installer* first.
[07:12] <trappist> mihai_: chose at the gdm/kdm login screen
[07:12] <StarKruzr> where would I get the installer by itself?
[07:12] <trappist> StarKruzr: oh yeah, good point :)
[07:12] <nics__> olicat: is the other server on the work network as well?
[07:13] <olicat> nics__, yeah i believe so
[07:13] <nics__> gedit RHEL.xml
[07:13] <mihai_> trappist, so by default I have the choice to choose at login?
[07:13] <nics__> bugga wrong window
[07:13] <StarKruzr> expert mode is all well and good if I actually have an installer to use
[07:13] <trappist> mihai_: yes
[07:13] <mihai_> trappist, thanks a lot
[07:13] <_null> Anyone knows how I can match a udev rule to execute a program when the device is removed?
[07:13] <nics__> olicat: well in theory your internal routers should already have the details set and I guess you have a default gateway set?
[07:16] <cisox> I am tring to create a ubuntu/debian repository and I am getting this error: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/_export_repository_dists_stable_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[07:16] <gnomefreak> !mountiso
[07:16] <ubotu> To mount a ISO file, sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mnt/mntpoint
[07:17] <mIRC`w2x> ubuntu ita?
[07:17] <trappist> !it
[07:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:18] <mwe> gnomefreak: do you know if it will work with a relative path like mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/mntpoint?
[07:18] <trappist> mwe: yes
[07:18] <gnomefreak> mwe, ive never done it so no i dont know but all i remember was you could do it
[07:19] <mwe> What's the easiest way to make apt leave my menu.lst alone?
[07:19] <mIRC`w2x> aceto
[07:19] <trappist> mwe: don't use it to install kernels
[07:20] <gnomefreak> trappist, how else would you upgrade kernel without apt other than compiling?
[07:20] <trappist> gnomefreak: I dunno another way.  it wasn't advice, just the correct answer to his question :)
[07:21] <gnomefreak> :) ok just making sure i wasnt going nuts
[07:21] <mwe> I think you can disable the update-grub thing
[07:21] <mwe> maybe I'll just dpkg-divert it
[07:22] <gnomefreak> mwe, i might be wrong on this but if the apt doesnt run update-grub than it wont allow you to boot to the new kernel
[07:23] <vert> how should apt prevent this?
[07:23] <mwe> gnomefreak: I'll take care of updated menu.lst myself. I run my custom kernel anyway, but I want to examine the ubuntu default one
[07:23] <BirdyKiller> THAT'S IT!!! IT STILL DOESN'T WORK!
[07:23] <gnomefreak> mwe, ahhhhh
[07:23] <BirdyKiller> reloading the damned OS
[07:23] <BirdyKiller> grumble grumble
[07:23] <gnomefreak> lol BirdyKiller
[07:23] <trappist> gnomefreak: with lilo that's true, but grub is a lot more flexible
[07:23] <gnomefreak> trappist, true
[07:23] <BirdyKiller> I should download the livecd and see if THAT works
[07:24] <tsw> where does sudo su <user> get its environment, I would like to have ls --color=auto alias even after sudoing to another user
[07:24] <_null> How would I make hotplug executing a script each time a device is added?
[07:24] <trappist> tsw: put it in /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:24] <gnomefreak> BirdyKiller, all this to get nvidia to work?
[07:24] <tsw> trappist: ls has colors If I dont use sudo
[07:24] <BirdyKiller> gnomefreak, yes.  I prefer to have a GUI in my 2+ ghz computers...
[07:25] <BirdyKiller> and I'm not replacing my brand new video card.
[07:25] <trappist> tsw: I'm not sure where that alias is, but if it's in /etc/bash.bashrc it should apply globally
[07:25] <tsw> trappist: ok, thanks
[07:25] <gnomefreak> BirdyKiller, cant you just run it as the wiki says instead of compiling kernel?
[07:25] <zoexii> hello, I have plans to upgrade my processor (and motherboard) from Intel P3 to AMD Athlon...  I've been using ubuntu for awhile and I have it more or less configured to my liking.  Will my install boot and work as is after I change chips?  will I have to reinstall?
[07:25] <BirdyKiller> gnomefreak, I tried that
[07:26] <trappist> zoexii: you might need to reconfigure a few pieces of hardware, but all the drivers will be there.  you should be fine.
[07:26] <gnomefreak> zoexii, it should work amd64 supports 32