[21:46] <genii> Q-collective: Were you having problems before this relating to power management, laptop fan, screen blanking or so on?
[21:46] <baje> Yop yop
[21:47] <[ifr0g]> Q-collective, what are you using to test the sound ?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> got this error message when trying fgl_glxgears in the konsole : Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:47] <barbaros> what does mouse wheel do when i move it ?
[21:47] <barbaros> how it's called ?
[21:48] <barbaros> is it scrolling up and down ?
[21:48] <BluesKaj> barbaros, yes
[21:48] <barbaros> if so i try to configure kpdf so that it behaves like what i do when i move my mouse wheel
[21:49] <MGalaxy> hello, some of applications (like 7zip) are disabled in "Adept Installer", why ? I am using Kubuntu 7.10 DVD and added it to SOURCES :-s
[21:49] <BluesKaj> dunno about that, sorry
[21:49] <barbaros> but when i change shortcut for scrooling up to shift+j and down shift+k respectively it slides so slowly and i cant stop it
[21:49] <barbaros> how can i change that so that it behaves exactly like my mouse wheel ?
[21:50] <genii> BluesKaj: I've found some oddities when trying to run gui stuff from konsole even if with kdesu or gksu/gksudo , better to run it from alt-f2 instead
[21:52] <Q-collective> genii: nope
[21:52] <Q-collective> [ifr0g]: amarok, kafeine, youtube on konq and firefox
[21:53] <Q-collective> I think that would do it
[21:53] <Q-collective> :p
[21:54] <graelb> hi there
[21:54] <graelb> i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers for linux, but once i stop gdm, and run the script, i get an error saying i don't have the libc headers... i don't know what to do from there
[21:55] <jords> why not just use the restricted drivers manager?
[21:56] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[21:56] <graelb> it doesn't work correctly jords
[21:56] <graelb> i don't have my tty's and direct rendering doesn't work...
[21:57] <evjunior09> I want to burn a CD...Amarok opens up K3b and that says my songs are an unsupported format, but it's just an .MP3....Any help?
[21:57] <graelb> ok! installing build essentials hehe
[21:57] <jords> graelb: oh ok. Yeah installing  build-essential will let you compile them
[21:57] <graelb> perfet
[21:57] <graelb> ct
[21:57] <graelb> perfect! jaysus. thanks guys
[21:57] <graelb> ok brb!
[21:58] <sub[t]rnl> evjunior09: sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[21:59] <Skrot-> Hi, where can I find planned/sugguested features for hardy heron?
[21:59] <genii> Q-collective: Well, I have no immediate ideas in that case then. you need an audio card specialist
[22:00] <Q-collective> genii: oh well, thx for thinking on the matter :)
[22:01] <graelb> yeah... issues galore! it couldn't build a kernel interface
[22:01] <genii> Skrot-: Perhaps check launchpad site
[22:02] <jords> graelb: sudo apt-get install linux-source should fix that i think
[22:02] <graelb> ok
[22:02] <graelb> hehe
[22:02] <graelb> appreciate your help btw
[22:02] <Skrot-> genii: there appeared to be nothing in there. I was just wondering if encrypted $HOME via the installer will ever happen :)
[22:03] <jords> np I think you'll need to do some manual steps with the linux source after it's downloaded... needs to be extracted etc
[22:03] <barbaros> how can i add date into a filename's end in konsole ?
[22:03] <barbaros> i wnat to backup somefiles using today's date
[22:03] <alexey> Problem: lsusb finds Bluetooth Adapter, but hcitool scan detects no devices. Why?
[22:04] <graelb> jords:  *blinks* how do i go about that?
[22:05] <MidMark> hi guys, someone knows how to put knetworkmanager in automatic mode? now is always in manual mode and I don't know how to reput it in automatic
[22:05] <graelb> jords: be right back, going to try it again
[22:06] <Neutrinux> hi how to put basket back in kontact in 3.5.8????
[22:07] <graelb> ok, got the linux-source, but it still doesn't work, so i imagine the other stuff you mentioned i need to do
[22:07] <sub[t]rnl> MidMark: for your wireless?
[22:08] <jords> graelb: yeah. can you cd /usr/src , run ls and tell me roughly what files are there?
[22:09] <graelb> jords:  sure, hang on a second
[22:09] <freeride> 1
[22:09] <MidMark> sub[t]rnl: exactly
[22:10] <graelb> linux-headers 2.6.22-14 (and the -generic flavor) and linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2
[22:10] <graelb> that's it
[22:10] <sub[t]rnl> MidMark: remove your wireless interface from /etc/networks/interface
[22:11] <MidMark> sub[t]rnl: this will return knetworkmanager to automatically discover networks?
[22:11] <sub[t]rnl> yes
[22:11] <MidMark> thanx
[22:12] <lee986321> emergencey shut down of compiz is needed
[22:14] <notv> how can i change the permissions for raw1394? is there a file i can edit or something?
[22:14] <jords> graelb: sry
[22:14] <graelb> jords:  the two linux-headers that weren't the tarballs, were directories btw
[22:15] <jords> graelb: got distracted.... anyway run tar -xzf linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2
[22:16] <graelb> jords, the tarball is red...
[22:16] <xevious> my login screen is loading with an increased virtual desktop size, compared to my resolution. where are the resolution settings stored for kdm?
[22:16] <jords> graelb: yep, so is mine on my system :D
[22:16] <MarcC-backroom> how can I escape the Kubuntu splash load screen to get a command prompt?
[22:16] <The_Machine> excuse me -what's an easy way to test if my firewall is letting NTP outbound of my network?
[22:17] <jords> graelb: and then run sudo ln -s linux-source-2.6.22 linux
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> MarcC-backroom: ctrl+alt+f2?
[22:17] <graelb> jords: ok, hat's good lol, the tar -xzf gives me an errror "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format /n tar: child return status 1 /n tar: error exit delayed from previous errors
[22:17] <MarcC-backroom> doh, thanks nosrednaekim
[22:17] <graelb> that's*
[22:18] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: take out any high end resolutions that you don't use.  I think kdm goes with the highest you have in your xorg.conf
[22:18] <MarcC-backroom> how do I remove a kernel version? I want to remove my realtime kernel?
[22:18] <jords> graelb: warlg. I really need to learn my tar options :D replace the z with a j
[22:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> u dont know popcorn
[22:18] <jords> so tar -xjf
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> MarcC-backroom: make sure you have another one loaded first, and then uninstall it .
[22:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> kernal
[22:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> popcorn
[22:19]  * nosrednaekim does a polite haha...
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> AT0M1CB0MB3R: fixed your grub problem?
[22:19] <graelb> jords: ok, it's going, but it keeps saying no such file or directory, do i need to sudo it?
[22:19] <MarcC-backroom> nosrednaekim, I'm looking for the command line command to remove a specific kernel...do I just use sudo apt-get remove
[22:19] <MarcC-backroom> ?
[22:19] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: i did that and it's now loading at 1400x1050 (my usual screen res.) but it's got a 1600x1200 virtual desktop
[22:20] <xevious> brb. lemme check it
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> MarcC-backroom: yes
[22:20] <jords> graelb: yeah, should sudo it
[22:20] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: hrm, specify a virtual resolution too then, to keep it in check
[22:20] <graelb> jords: seems to be working this time... one second
[22:20] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: virtual 1400x1050
[22:20] <Blazeix> Is there a way to change the desktop icon size, without changing the FileManager icon size?
[22:20] <graelb> jords: ok! that worked
[22:20] <jords> :D
[22:21] <jords> so the driver is compiled fine now?
[22:21] <MarcC-backroom> nosrednaekim, thanks
[22:21] <BigDaddy> hey all, anyone play boson in here?
[22:21] <MarcC-backroom> played it once
[22:21] <BigDaddy> I am crashing everytime I try and load it.
[22:21] <graelb> ok, it's lned
[22:22] <graelb> ln-ed
[22:22] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: yeah. i'm a dummy
[22:22] <MarcC-backroom> BigDaddy, did you check to see if there's a bug report on it? And a newer package at getdeb.net?
[22:22] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: missed that line :D
[22:22] <BigDaddy> never heard of getdeb. I will check
[22:22] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, i looked over it a few times too when messing with that
[22:22] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: you can just remove the virtual line
[22:23] <graelb> jords: cd-ed to the linux dir , do i need to configure and make?
[22:23] <sven__> How can I check if a server will auto adjust to the winter time settings?
[22:24] <BluesKaj> who has an ATI X200 graphics on Gutsy 64 bit , and if so does the the new ati proprietary 8.42 driver work on your setup ?
[22:25]  * nosrednaekim doesn't think that was directed to him :)
[22:27] <BigDaddy> getdeb doesn't have boson for feisty nor gutsy. I checked the sourceforge page and I have the most current. I will just post something there. I was mainly curious if anyone here played it and if it was worth keeping
[22:29] <jords> graelb: don't think so
[22:29] <jords> graelb: just go and try to run the nvidia install script again
[22:29] <graelb> jords:  ok, will do. brb
[22:30] <MarcC-backroom> BigDaddy, good luck...I don't remember if I first saw it on Youtube or where but it looked OK when I played it.
[22:31] <BigDaddy> oh well, it's no biggy. I will just see if I can get Wine working and try setting up some Yuri's Revenge
[22:31] <graelb> jords: Same error. any other ideas?
[22:32] <MarcC-backroom> ewww...how do I change the Gutsy KDM screen?
[22:32] <giofx> hi
[22:33] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the new driver doesn't do 3d or dri on my x200g...I know there's prolly a fix but I'm tired of constantly rebooting the pc after editing the xorg file trying to fix the problem :(
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> no need to reboot, could you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.conf
[22:34] <animimotus> hi
[22:34] <animimotus> someone knows the escape caracter I should use between a : cat photos_* > Photos.tar.gz   and a :   tar -xzvf Photos.tar.gz    ?
[22:34] <steelsnake> Marc: change in what way? You need the KDM theme manager to change the login screen
[22:35] <MarcC-backroom> steelsnake, thanks, I just want to change the theme so it has matching colors...I'll try the KDM theme manager
[22:36] <Authority> knetworkmanager is not showing the "wireless networks" section under the right click menu on 7.10
[22:36] <Authority> it was earlier, but now it's not
[22:36] <steelsnake> it does for me... check that networkmanager itself is running
[22:36] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, http://www.pastebin.ca/750900
[22:37] <Authority> steelsnake: it's managing my wired connection just fine
[22:37] <steelsnake> Authority: yeah, but IIRC it needs networkmanager to run in the background to show the wireless stuff
[22:38] <steelsnake> i had that problem myself a few times :) if in doubt, open a console, kill KNetworkManager and networkmanager, restart networkmanager and then KNetworkmanager and see if that helps
[22:38] <mikes2> synaptic works fine ,,Why the need for adept?
[22:39] <aaron> I just booted, and I'm trying to run adept updater, but it says the database is locked cause its in use...
[22:39] <Authority> steelsnake: I was under the impression it needs NetworkManager running to manage wired as well, but either way, yes, NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher are running
[22:39] <steelsnake> Authority: sorry, should have use proper caps: NetworkManager and knetworkmanager
[22:39] <mikes2> and dolphin,,,Konqueror works fine?,,err hmm
[22:39] <steelsnake> then i've got no idea what else to try Authority... anything in the logfiles?
[22:40] <mikes2> aaron: reboot
[22:40] <aaron> argh
[22:40] <aaron> ok
[22:40] <mikes2> and install synaptic :)
[22:41] <Authority> steelsnake: which ones would you recommend I look at?  nothing in /var/log/messages or dmesg
[22:41] <steelsnake> why synaptic? apt-get FTW ;)
[22:41] <steelsnake> j/k
[22:41] <mikes2> apt-get ,,all good :)
[22:41] <MarcC-backroom> is there a list of the default Gutsy repos somewhere?
[22:41] <MaDiNfO_> hi
[22:41] <MarcC-backroom> I just want to match up to mine, make sure I'm ok
[22:41] <mikes2> Why the need for adept and dolphin?\
[22:41] <MaDiNfO_> vd_la-media_helper.Tpo -c media_helper.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/xineplug_inp_dvd_la-media_helper.o
[22:41] <MaDiNfO_> media_helper.c:47:2: warning: #warning "This might not compile due to missing cdrom ioctls"
[22:41] <MaDiNfO_> media_helper.c: In function 'media_eject_media':
[22:41] <MaDiNfO_> media_helper.c:107: error: 'CDROM_DRIVE_STATUS' undeclared (first use in this function)
[22:42] <MaDiNfO_> any idea ?
[22:42] <steelsnake> Authority: lemme check... i don't use knetworkmanager myself anymore, so i gotta quickly check it :)
[22:42] <mikes2> wasted time,,many other bugs to fix :)
[22:42] <Authority> steelsnake: do you use wicd?
[22:43] <MarcC-backroom> dang, dolphin seems pretty unstable
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: looking at it..
[22:44] <steelsnake> nope... i don't used wireless anymore (too slow), so i configure the wired networks from the shell
[22:44] <aaron> I JUST booted and when I try to run adept updater it says the database is already in use
[22:45] <mikes2> steelsnake: ndiswrapper not working properly?
[22:45] <aaron> how do you view running processes?
[22:45] <notv> anyone know how to get freebob working?
[22:45] <aaron> in xterm
[22:45] <mikes2> top in konsole
[22:45] <Authority> steelsnake: gotcha
[22:45] <steelsnake> aaron: open a command prompt, run "sudo apt-get upgrade" and see what happens
[22:45] <rickey>  man i hafe to say ,that kubuntu 7.10 gutsy is the best OS  yet
[22:46] <mikes2> aaron ksysguard
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) <----- there is your problem
[22:46] <aaron> steelsnake,  invalid operation upgrade
[22:46] <steelsnake> looks like networkmanager logs to syslog, i.e. /var/log/syslog
[22:47] <mikes2> rickey: i have found a heap of bugs but they are being sorted fast
[22:47] <Authority> steelsnake: got it figured out.  eth1 (my wireless card) was listed in /etc/network/interfaces.  Just deleted the reference and it picked it up right away
[22:47] <rickey> yes they are mike
[22:47] <steelsnake> ohhhhh... cool Authority
[22:47] <rickey>  i am so prould of kubuntu  for that to
[22:48] <aaron> what else could be using the packaging system databse!
[22:48] <mikes2> I was going to nuke the install but after the updates it is much more stable
[22:48] <steelsnake> er should be "update"... sorry
[22:48] <Authority> steelsnake: I'm still new to the Debian way of configuring interfaces
[22:48] <mikes2> Debian sid :)
[22:49] <rickey> well mikes , taking in mind with everything wrong with kubuntu ,it,s a hell of a  lot better then windows OS,s
[22:49] <steelsnake> Authority: i'm more a manual person myself... i.e. command line :)
[22:51] <aaron> ok now it told me to do apt-get upgrade -f
[22:51] <aaron> gar
[22:51] <graelb> jords: The nvidia installer didn't work again
[22:51] <aaron> i did the upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10
[22:52] <rickey> if a dummy like me can get along with kubuntu , anyone can
[22:52] <aaron> didn't go quite perfectly :p
[22:52] <mikes2> aaron: Many hav had probs updating
[22:52] <steelsnake> AHHHH yes aaron... that explains a little bit. So yeah, go with the -f
[22:52] <mikes2> ^^e
[22:52] <aaron> perhaps I'll just reinstall
[22:52] <aaron> :p
[22:52] <manchicken> Anybody here got a moment to answer what's going on with openvpn not working?  It even gets as far as to say that initialization is complete, but it then just sits there.  I get a kernel message saying this though: tun0: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[22:52] <MarcC-backroom> well, Automatix and Ubuntu Studio sure made that dist-upgrade difficult, but it's done now :)
[22:52] <aaron> to be fair, its about 1000 times better than upgrading in place from xp to vista
[22:52] <aaron> :p
[22:52] <mikes2> aaron: I save /home and fresh install
[22:53] <steelsnake> yeh tell me about it mikes2 :) dist upgrade didn't work on either of my two machines
[22:53] <rickey> mikes did you make sure all of the older updates were all catch up before you upgraded
[22:53] <mikes2> steelsnake: Its not a true rolling release like Debian :)
[22:53] <mikes2> despite what you read
[22:54] <steelsnake> ~shrug~ i tarred up my home dir beforehand anyway and burned it to a CD... so the easy solution was to wipe and install clean... worked like a charm
[22:54] <aaron> steelsnake, it also told me to do a dpkg --configure or something
[22:54] <steelsnake> AHA
[22:54] <mikes2> fresh is best :)
[22:54] <barbaros> 00:53] <barbaros> i cant download anything form ktorrent
[22:54] <barbaros> [00:54] <barbaros> what can it be the possible problem ?
[22:54] <barbaros> [00:54] <barbaros> status is always stalle
[22:55] <steelsnake> cool aaron... then go for it, that should fix all the locks aaron
[22:55] <steelsnake> stale locks suck
[22:55] <steelsnake> alternatively you can delete the lock files manually, aaron, but thats more work
[22:55] <aaron> was it because of the upgrade between 04 and 10?
[22:56] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, so how do i solve it ? :)
[22:57] <BigPick> testing... anyone hear me?
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> thats the million $ (canadian) question
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> BigPick: hey
[22:57] <steelsnake> yep BigPick
[22:57] <BluesKaj> canuck = $1.04 US today
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: see if you have a /dev/dri/card0
[22:58] <BluesKaj> err canuckbuck
[22:58] <steelsnake> could be aaron... stale locks happen on occasion tho
[22:58] <aaron> k
[22:59] <mikes2> aaron: 7.04 to 7.10 is not do much an update/upgrade but more of a rewrite and there in lies the challenge
[22:59] <aaron> ah
[22:59] <aaron> same kernel then? I don't follow these things
[22:59] <mikes2> No new kernel in gutsy
[23:00] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, no output
[23:00] <jmichaelx> no new kernel in gutsy? what are you talking about?
[23:00] <mikes2> aaron: After a month or two of updates it should be an ok release
[23:00] <jmichaelx> ahh
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: hmmm... :) do you have a section in your Xorg that give 666 permissions to dri?
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: anything at all in /dev/dri?
[23:01] <mikes2> jmichaelx: 22-14=very new :)
[23:01] <BluesKaj> no 666 dri in th xorg file
[23:01] <jmichaelx> pretty new, lol
[23:01] <mikes2> Little too new
[23:02] <jmichaelx> probably... wireless in gutsy is really sucking bad for me.. plus several other smaller glitches. i am not sure it is all kernel related, but some of it surely is
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh.. NM... I don't have one either.
[23:03] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, nothing in /dev/dri
[23:03] <mikes2> jmichaelx: Kernel is very new and not totally sorted is my gut feeling,But i have found several small glitches in kde\
[23:04] <erjon> kubuntu italian ?
[23:04] <milian> hi guys
[23:04] <jmichaelx> usb drives not mounting if left connected... i am always having to unplaug, then plug in AFTER booting up
[23:04] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps someone has an idea...  say i want to grep all of my log files for URLs so i can run them through wget, how would i even start going about it?  the problem is that i know JACK about regex's :\
[23:05] <erjon> hi cerco suport in italiano per kubuntu grazie
[23:05] <mikes2> jmichaelx: I use Sidux as well and it is rock solid
[23:05] <BluesKaj> brb
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i should narrow that down.  all urls that lead to, say...  a jpeg
[23:05] <jmichaelx> i have thought about giving sidux a spin... how different is it from kanotix?
[23:05] <mikes2> very similar
[23:06] <mikes2> jmichaelx: very fast,,and has smxi for non-free,,ati,nvidia ,google earth etc etc
[23:06] <steelsnake> Daisuke_Ido: "grep -i http\: /var/log/*" maybe?
[23:06] <jmichaelx> can you dist-upgrade from release to release in sidux?
[23:06] <mikes2> Yes
[23:06] <jmichaelx> cool
[23:06] <mikes2> no probs
[23:06] <mikes2> seemless
[23:07] <erjon> ies4linux-2.5beta2    can u help me haw to install this ies4linux-2.5beta2
[23:07] <jmichaelx> can you install from debian unstable repos?
[23:07] <jmichaelx> install packages*
[23:07] <mikes2> yes
[23:07] <jmichaelx> sweet
[23:07] <mikes2> and etch
[23:07] <mikes2> and lenny
[23:07] <Daisuke_Ido> steelsnake: that doesn't take care of narrowing down the output to just strings that are http://*jpg
[23:08] <jmichaelx> yeah, i should check sidux out.
[23:08] <Daisuke_Ido> but to my knowledge, grep doesn't do wildcards
[23:08] <mikes2> jmichaelx: 10 min install
[23:08] <jmichaelx> i like kubuntu a lot, but i really hate the wireless situation. a card will work under one release, but not the next, but then might work again in the next
[23:08] <steelsnake> you can always pipe it, Daisuke_Ido... depends on the log format tho... if the .jpg is always at the end, this would work:
[23:08] <steelsnake> grep -i http\: /var/log/* | grep \.jpg\$
[23:09] <steelsnake> er
[23:09] <steelsnake> grep -i http\: /var/log/* | grep \.jpg$
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[23:09] <steelsnake> dang i am out of my mind today...
[23:09] <steelsnake> grep -i http\: /var/log/* | grep -i \.jpg$
[23:09] <steelsnake> there :)
[23:09] <mikes2> jmichaelx: i like this release and feel it will get better in time,but so many probs for a major distro
[23:09] <mikes2> "bugs"
[23:09] <milian> sorry, bad connection - were my messages send?
[23:10] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, it's odd but there's no 'modules" section which lists Load  " glx" , "dri" etc in the xorg file
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> that works well
[23:10] <jmichaelx> i totally wish they had delayed the release... things like usb drive mounting issues and wireless issues hurt things badly. i realize wireless is often a problem in linux, but for commonly supported cards, it should not be like this
[23:11] <mikes2> BluesKaj: Same :(
[23:11] <Daisuke_Ido> can i pipe that output as the urls for wget?
[23:11] <BluesKaj> mikes2, i find that weird :P
[23:11] <mikes2> BluesKaj: you have Nvidia?
[23:12] <BluesKaj> ati
[23:12] <mikes2> hmm
[23:12] <mikes2> jmichaelx: try Sidux Gaia live cd and run "smxi" wicked :)
[23:13] <barbaros> how can i install mlnet core in kubuntu ?
[23:13] <barbaros> i ve installed kmldonkey with sudo apt-get install kmldonkey
[23:13] <barbaros> but when i issue whereis or which mlnet no directory is listed
[23:13] <BluesKaj> I have a copy of the xorg file used in feisty and it lists a whole lot of stuff to "load " in it , unless it's hidden in gutsy
[23:13] <jmichaelx> yeah, i may have a look this weekend. this desktop will remain kubuntu, but i am thinking of changing my laptop to something else
[23:13] <barbaros> but kmldonkey installation prompts me for a directory for mlnet core
[23:14] <BluesKaj> barbaros, run mlnet in the konsole and it loads the core
[23:15] <BluesKaj> barbaros, you'll have to do so everytime you wish to use mldonkey
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I think those are loded automatically
[23:17] <mikes2> jmichaelx: 7.04 was a better release
[23:17] <grainwave> hello, while resizing a partition, gparted crashed. long story short i have a 300gb partition with 100gb used space. But no files show up on this partition? Any ideas anyone?
[23:17] <BluesKaj> barbaros, just type " mlnet " in the konsole (without the quotes)
[23:17] <jmichaelx> mikes2: absolutely no question
[23:17] <mikes2> grainwave: formatt with windows cd/fat32
[23:18] <steelsnake> ewwwww fat32
[23:18] <mikes2> grainwave: Can Gparted not see it now?\
[23:18] <steelsnake> i think the files are lost, grainwave... if they don't show up after the crash
[23:19] <grainwave> gparted can see the drive
[23:19] <aaron> is it a good idea to take new versions of cfg files?
[23:19] <mikes2> grainwave: Backed up important data/
[23:19] <aaron> when apt-get asks about them?
[23:20] <steelsnake> i would, aaron, but that's me... trusting... :)
[23:20] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, gonna try them anyway, bbiab
[23:20] <aaron> heh
[23:21] <grainwave> Important data is backed up just lots of movies. If they are lost what is the best way to recover space from drive? Format?
[23:21] <steelsnake> delete the partition, create a new one
[23:21] <mikes2> pclos has a new release soon,i have had a play from testing ,It is solid,and so sorted for a very small team
[23:21] <mikes2> hmm
[23:21] <mikes2> No sense
[23:21] <grainwave> cool thanks
[23:22] <MarcC-backroom> why do my gnome apps like Streamtuner and XChat stay on the screen when it turns black as I log off?
[23:25] <sven__> by god.. is there ANY way I can have that strigi demon behave, without jabbing a wooden pin through its chest?
[23:25] <MilesG> are there any programmers in here?
[23:25] <sven__> as in, right now strigi takes, every 10 minutes, for about 5 minnutes 80% of my CPU....
[23:25] <sven__> is there any way I can configure strigi to... relax?
[23:25] <sven__> take less CPU
[23:25] <MilesG> AmyRose: are you a programmer?
[23:25] <sven__> work less often
[23:26] <sven__> stuff like that?
[23:26] <blendtux> just close it, and change your settings that it wont start up at boot time sven__
[23:26] <sven__> MilesG, Thats an original pickup line..
[23:27] <MilesG> nah, i just wanted to ask AmyRose cause that person knows everything
[23:27] <sven__> blendtux, right.. which will cause it not to index at all.. thats like, from 100% to 0%,, I'd like to be at.. 25% or so.. :)
[23:27] <MilesG> sven__: are you a programmer?
[23:27] <steelsnake> just ask the question, MilesG
[23:27] <blendtux> yes i thought so, it was just a sugestion
[23:27] <sven__> MilesG, considdering that I have not seen her say anything yet.. :)
[23:27] <BluesKaj> glxinfo | grep direct :output= direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[23:27] <sven__> MilesG, and yeah, Im a programmer
[23:27] <sven__> who isnt
[23:28] <MilesG> i had an interview today, and they asked me to do a couple logic programs on paper in java
[23:28] <sven__> so better.. where or how can I configure strigi??
[23:28] <MilesG> and i got the last one wrong, at first, but then i corrected it while talking it out with the interviewer, does that look bad?
[23:28]  * MilesG fresh out of college
[23:28] <steelsnake> MilesG: depends on the interviewer... i wouldn't hold it against you since you did catch it
[23:29] <AmyRose> MilesG: Sorry, I am not a programmer.
[23:29] <steelsnake> was it a standard algo, like quicksort or somesuch?
[23:29] <sven__> MilesG,  kind of off-topic, isnt tit?
[23:29] <AmyRose> I'm just a somewhat experienced end-user
[23:29] <MilesG> it was like a college text book question, like a story problem
[23:29] <sven__> MilesG, anyway, since EVERYBODY makes mistakes, why would it look bad? you noticed it, you corrected it.. making mistakes isnt bad.. not acknnowledging them or fixing them is..
[23:29] <BluesKaj> that so called wonderful new 8.42 ati driver does nothing at all for my setup...it actually made thigs worse
[23:30] <MilesG> i guess, i thought they were a linux shop, but they only deploy to linux servers, so its not really what im looking for
[23:31]  * steelsnake agrees with sven
[23:31] <dvayanu> does someone know how to force ubuntu 7.10 to recognize ipod touch?
[23:32] <steelsnake> BluesKaj: truthfully... i don't really like ATI drivers in linux... the open ones don't work for modern cards, the closed ones just plain suck.
[23:32] <benoit> bonsoir
[23:32] <RCG1984> hello all, in what directory does the package manager install software?
[23:33] <steelsnake> you mean where it downloads them to, or where it actually installs packages to?
[23:33] <AmyRose> dvayanu: Sorry, the only thing I can come up with is "Boycott Apple"
[23:33] <benoit> est ce que quelqu'un pourrait m'aider pour régler un pb daffichage ?
[23:33] <AmyRose> !fr | benoit
[23:33] <ubotu> benoit: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[23:34] <RCG1984> steelsnake: I mean where does it actually install the packages to
[23:34] <steelsnake> ok... that depends on the package, RCG1984. Most go somewhere into the /usr tree i'd think
[23:35] <RCG1984> steelsnake: ok, I'm just wondering because I can't find a package for gtk+ and I'm about to manually compile and than install it
[23:35] <BluesKaj> steelsnake, i had perfectly fine setup with 3d and dri , working just fine on feisty ...seriously considering reverting back ...this so called upgrade to gutsy sucks for my system , I'm afraid :(
[23:35] <MilesG> RCG1984: i think it might be /usr/lib
[23:36] <RCG1984> if i leave the --prefix flag out of ./configure will it automatically install the libraries into what ever the bash profile is set to?
[23:36] <steelsnake> yeh didn't have much luck upgrading either BluesKaj... got it working now, minus a royal glitch on my lappy... sorry to say gutsy isn't what it should be
[23:37] <steelsnake> yes RCG1984
[23:37] <steelsnake> usually some /usr/local tree
[23:37] <steelsnake> er wait
[23:37] <steelsnake> i misread that
[23:37] <BluesKaj> yup, steelsnake unfortunately i agree :(
[23:37] <steelsnake> not based on the bash profile, i think... i'm not 100% sure but it'd depend on the configure defaults
[23:37]  * jmichaelx agree with BluesKaj as well
[23:38] <RCG1984> steelsnake: would you recommend I leave the --prefix flag out?
[23:39]  * jmichaelx has three machines using rt2500 wireless, and has had to do some headbanging
[23:39] <steelsnake> i would, RCG1984, makes later removal easier (thinking that gtk+ might have a make uninstall command)
[23:40] <MilesG> RCG1984: i thought it got compiled into the directory that you ran ./configure from, which is usually the directory you un-tarred
[23:40] <steelsnake> it compiles there, yes... but install usually moves it elsewher
[23:40] <RCG1984> MilesG:  I have no idea what's why i'm wondering where it will install it to
[23:41] <MilesG> RCG1984: im unsure, but im trying to confirm what i thought happened
[23:41] <steelsnake> i didn't have many probs with wireless, but i don't use wifi anymore so i am not a good judge of that part yet
[23:41] <RCG1984> I'll give this install a roll and see what happends
[23:41] <steelsnake> well, check ./configure --help, it'll tell you where it'll install
[23:41] <MilesG> steelsnake: "make install" moves the binaries into typically /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin, correct?
[23:41] <RCG1984> alright
[23:41] <steelsnake> usually /usr/local subtree
[23:41] <steelsnake> yep MilesG
[23:42] <jmichaelx> steelsnake: i have things working (sort of) in gutsy, but gutsy has so far been a step backwards
[23:42] <jmichaelx> hopefull that will be fixed soon
[23:42] <steelsnake> oh yes... i hate having to reset xorg.conf each time i reboot ~laughs~... damn gutsy messes it up at each boot, haven't bothered to figure out why yet
[23:43] <steelsnake> only on lappy, desktop is fine... thank goddess, that one would suck to rebuild each time
[23:43] <BluesKaj> we can only hope ...all the hype about the new and improved ati graphics driver is a real disappointment tho
[23:43] <sonic> what are the benifits of switching to the 386 kernel vs the generic one?
[23:43] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[23:43] <jmichaelx> steelsnake: that is strange... you are running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg each time you reboot?
[23:44] <MarcC-backroom> does anybody else see the old thumbnails in kdmtheme?
[23:44] <jmichaelx> sonic: probably none , unless you are using very old hardware
[23:45] <steelsnake> might run automatically, but no, i don't intentionally do that anyway
[23:45] <jmichaelx> steelsnake: if you would run that, your problem might be solved. maybe you have done it already
[23:46] <steelsnake> i'll give it a shot jmichaelx
[23:48] <RCG1984> well i ran into an error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[23:48] <steelsnake> one saving grace: hydra setup seems to work a lot better on gutsy... on edgy it crashed once in a week or so
[23:48] <steelsnake> ahhh you need the build-essentials RCG1984
[23:49] <steelsnake> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[23:49] <RCG1984> ahh
[23:49] <steelsnake> i hope i spelled that right from memory :)
[23:50] <RCG1984> steelsnake: yep you are correct :-)
[23:51] <RCG1984> ift gtk+ was packaged this would make my life so much easier
[23:52] <steelsnake> i'd think it is...
[23:52] <RCG1984> i did a search for it but didn't run across anything
[23:52] <steelsnake> thats such a common basic package after all
[23:52] <RCG1984> I'm using Adept Manager to find packages and I didn't come across anything
[23:53] <steelsnake> hmmm quickly running a package check...
[23:54] <steelsnake> you just need the lib, right? not the dev files?
[23:54] <myrdos> Why does everything in my K-Menu look like this   _: Entries in K-menu: Konversation app name, IRC client d...
[23:54] <RCG1984> well, I'm trying to use php-gtk
[23:54] <RCG1984> most likely just the library files
[23:55] <steelsnake> libgtk2.0-common seems to be the package you need, isn't it?
[23:55] <RCG1984> hrm
[23:56] <RCG1984> apparently I have no idea what i'm doing when trying to find a package
[23:56] <RCG1984> I thought it would be listed as gtk+ lol
[23:57] <steelsnake> no worries, i've been known to miss packages too ~laughs~... even when they stared me right in the face in a few cases ;)
[23:58] <RCG1984> it looks like i already have it installed :-)


[00:24] <ninetls> nice
[00:25] <Unit193> So you should get it soon if you don't have it already.
[18:45] <Unit193> ninetls: https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin/commit/?id=0fcd3fd72ca4c3469549059948978307a7e58186 isn't that a workaround?
[19:05] <ninetls> Unit193: yes, it's a workaround
[19:38] <knome> !team | time for a bit more public feedback loop, see msg below
[19:39] <knome> any thoughts on... https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wall-1710/draft-2.png
[19:39] <knome> ochosi, it's updated since you last saw it, hence the draft bump :P
[19:41] <Unit193> No objections.  Reminds me of Win 10 though.
[19:42] <knome> i haven't seen the win 10 wallpaper, so you can't blame me for plagiarizing ;
[19:42] <knome> ;)
[19:42] <knome> oh, hah
[19:42] <knome> right
[19:42] <knome> well, no worries...
[19:42] <flocculant> No objections from me either. Reminds me of every other one from cycles we've already dealt with though.
[19:42] <flocculant> :P
[19:43] <knome> happy to hear that too :P
[19:43] <knome> i mean, i'm not even trying to do something completely different :P
[19:43] <flocculant> glad to hear it - you'd have failed if you were :D
[19:43] <knome> haha
[19:43] <knome> but obviously i hope you see there *is* a difference ;)
[19:43] <knome> eg. you don't think it's the same wallpaper
[19:44]  * knome thinks about some elliptial circles
[19:44] <knome> i need to open this in a laptop monitor
[19:44] <knome> and see how it looks
[19:44] <knome> and i also should really get myself a new desktop monitor too...
[19:44] <flocculant> lol well yea I can see a difference, the defaults are just not something I would ever actually leave locally
[19:45] <knome> tbh - me neither mostly
[19:45] <knome> well, in a sense yes though ;)
[19:45] <knome> i used the wily one a loooooong time
[19:45] <flocculant> so basically unless you make one with some really light colour right where system messgaes might show - I'm not going to object :)
[19:46] <flocculant> though that's more plymouth
[19:46] <knome> before wily i was with the trusty one for a looong time
[19:46] <knome> plymouth has been the main wallpaper with a lot of blur added for a good chunk of time now :)
[19:46] <flocculant> I think the last default I used was the heron on ubuntu
[19:46] <knome> and yeah, don't worry about too bright/light colors getting in
[19:46] <flocculant> yea
[19:47] <krytarik> knome: Looks smooth - but hard to imagine a mouse in it this time. :(
[19:47] <knome> krytarik, yeah, there isn't one...
[19:47] <knome> unless you try really hard to think that these are the mouses artful whiskers
[19:48] <krytarik> And here I thought maybe upside down.. :P
[19:48] <knome> haha
[19:48] <knome> but there is that sublime version hint
[19:48] <knome> :P
[19:48] <flocculant> knome: next cycle though I will be whining early about community involvement - and getting that done and dusted before beta
[19:48] <flocculant> :)
[19:48] <bluesabre> I see 1920 x 1080 blue and green pixel mice
[19:48] <Unit193> flocculant: Nonono!  I like this much better than cow utters!
[19:48] <knome> we'll be having the community wallpaper contest most likely i think
[19:49] <knome> and yes, that can be set up really early
[19:49] <knome> and i can try to be earlier with my stuff
[19:49] <knome> (hey, at least we're not going past UIF this time!)
[19:49] <flocculant> good - never really understood why we leave that so late tbh
[19:49] <Unit193> *udder
[19:49] <flocculant> not yours - the comm stuff :)
[19:49] <knome> yeah, the first time it was a technical thing
[19:50] <knome> i'm amazed my solution worked though ;)
[19:50] <flocculant> because we made it so - not sure other flavours have some much trouble
[19:50] <knome> i mean, the second thing
[19:52] <flocculant> knome: thanks :)
[19:52] <knome> no worries
[19:52] <flocculant> night all
[19:52] <knome> poke me/us again at the beginning of the BB cycle
[19:52] <knome> and let's set it up
[19:52] <knome> (we need to talk about policies too, but ugh)
[20:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, not sure if you saw but Corsac said something about doubting xfdashboard will ever get uploaded in Debian. FYI.
[20:41] <ochosi> knome: i like the new glow behind the "mountain" on the right
[20:42] <ninetls> lol
[20:42] <ninetls> pixel mice!
[20:42] <ninetls> this is how xfce looked if it used material design
[22:37] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: i just tagged greybird 3.22.5 - hopefully in time for inclusion in 17.10 (it's mostly a bugfix release though)
[22:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks!
[22:39] <ochosi> np, i guess i need to do the same for elementary-xfce
[22:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: looks like Corsac is the one that maintains that in Debian now
[22:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes please :)
[22:39] <bluesabre> Glad to put you artwork guys to work ;)
[22:40] <ochosi> heh
[22:41] <ochosi> well i'm looking forward to seeing all those niceties coming to pa-plugin
[22:41] <ochosi> latest with 18.04 we should really switch to it
[22:41] <ochosi> it's already beyond indicator-sound
[22:41] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:41] <ochosi> and even though xfce4-notifyd-plugin is not a replacement for indicator-messages, we may still be able to drop that one...
[22:42] <bluesabre> yes, I think that's a possibility
[22:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: there you go: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.9
[22:47] <ochosi> can you pull that into xubuntu-artwork?
[22:47] <ochosi> cause now i really need some sleep...
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure thing
[22:47] <bluesabre> have a good night!
[22:47] <ochosi> perfect, thanks a bunch!
[22:47] <ochosi> nighty-night
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Pardon?
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: greybird-gtk-theme
[23:29] <Unit193> So he is, makes a lot more sense than that last thing I pinged you with.  Don't know why I'd need pinged on that. :D


[04:48] <billybigrigger> can someone tell me which nvidia driver i should be using for a laptop?
[05:17] <alkisg> billybigrigger: run `software-properties-gtk` and go to the drivers tab, and see
[05:36] <billybigrigger> is that the gui window for proprietary drivers?
[05:36] <billybigrigger> where you pick software sources and update/upgrade options? alkisg
[05:36] <alkisg> billybigrigger: yes
[05:37] <billybigrigger> if so, there's 2 nvidia options
[05:37] <alkisg> And which one says "recommended"?
[05:37] <billybigrigger> i installed 18.04 on a buddies laptop, and he just called and said he can't switch to hdmi audio output, i assume its because i never installed nvidia drivers...but i do remember seeing 2 options
[05:38] <billybigrigger> they were both the same release version...i can't remember the difference...but i remember being confused about the descriptions, and left it with the default drivers
[05:39] <alkisg> That's why it says "recommended" there, to know which one to use
[05:39] <billybigrigger> i dont think there was a recommended, that's why i was confused
[05:39] <billybigrigger> i was looking for recommended
[05:41] <billybigrigger> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031463/whats-the-difference-between-nvidia-driver-metapackage-and-nvidia-binary-driver/1039385
[05:41] <billybigrigger> that looks familiar
[05:41] <alkisg> OK, you'd need to check again, and if indeed there isn't, to send the output of lspci -nn -k and the output of ubuntu-drivers list
[05:41] <billybigrigger> closedsource tested and closed source
[05:41] <billybigrigger> except they were both driver version 390
[05:43] <billybigrigger> that post is why i was confused, whats the difference between meta pkg and binary? is the binary just a straight download from nvidia.com? because i thought that method was deprecated long ago
[05:44] <billybigrigger> sorry, i don't run ubuntu as a daily driver on my machines, it's either arch or freebsd for me...
[05:45] <billybigrigger> the only answer on that post doesn't make sense to me, because if both options are pulling from the same source, why is there a need for 2 options? and yes i'm positive both driver versions were 390.xxxx
[05:46] <billybigrigger> i remember back when i ran ubuntu that gui driver selection page always gave me hell, hence why i stuck with noveau and then did a face palm when he called asking why he had no hdmi audio options
[05:47] <billybigrigger> if they are both the same binary driver, pulled from the same source, but one is labeled tested...then why in the hell list the 2 "untested" option?
[05:47] <billybigrigger> basically what is the difference in the two
[05:49] <alkisg> nvidia-340/bionic 340.106-0ubuntu3 amd64  NVIDIA binary driver - version 340.106
[05:49] <alkisg> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-390/bionic 390.48-0ubuntu3 amd64  NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
[05:49] <alkisg> These is what I see in apt, I don't have nvidia to see with software-properties-gtk
[05:50] <alkisg> They're not the same version
[05:51] <billybigrigger> well i swear they were both the same version or i wouldnt have been confused...i would have picked 390.xx over 340.xx and not thought twice about it
[05:52] <alkisg> Personally I'd need input from you being there and showing output/screenshots/specific names then
[05:52] <alkisg> Can't help without specific input
[05:52] <alkisg> You could also wait and see if anyone has nvidia to test
[06:44] <gnugr> billybigrigger: there's a package in debian which helps to find what nvidia driver is needed 'nvidia-legacy-check', also as for 390xx, a new pkg exists in debian/sid https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-390xx_390.48-4.html
[06:45] <gnugr> https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-legacy-check
[06:49] <billybigrigger> ty
[07:31] <arwenvd> hello
[07:32] <diogenes_> hello
[07:32] <arwenvd> Hi
[07:33] <arwenvd> I am here to seek assistance
[07:33] <diogenes_> !ask | arwenvd
[07:35] <arwenvd> I cannot find the Screen Share option anywhere in ubuntu mate 18.04, also cannot launch vino-preferences, like previous versions. Once installing Gnome, in it I found the settings for Screen Share, but in Mate it is not available.\
[07:53] <alkisg> arwenvd: did you install vino?
[07:53] <alkisg> Different desktop environment use different programs; afaik mate doesn't have vino preinstalled, but of course you can install it
[08:04] <arwenvd> i have installed vino, then after not working i have purged it, and installed it again
[08:04] <arwenvd> no vino and no vino-preferences in terminal
[08:13] <alkisg> arwenvd: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=vino-preferences&mode=exactfilename&suite=bionic&arch=any
[08:13] <alkisg> vino-preferences doesn't exist in any package in 18.04
[08:13] <alkisg> It does exist in 16.04: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=vino-preferences
[08:14] <arwenvd> Yes i know. I wonder how can i use vino with 18.04?
[08:14] <alkisg> The vino package has these: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/vino/filelist
[08:14] <arwenvd> I can configure it in Gnome, but in mate there is no configuration
[08:14] <alkisg> arwenvd: which command configures it in gnome?
[08:15] <alkisg> Open the configuration, and run ps aux in the terminal, to find out the command
[08:15] <arwenvd> It is in System Settings panel
[08:15] <alkisg> The vino package contents are: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/vino/filelist
[08:15] <alkisg> That doesn't help. What about the command?
[08:16] <alkisg> Also, there are other servers that you can use, like x11vnc, tigervncserver etc
[08:19] <alkisg> arwenvd: here it says you can also edit its settings through dconf-editor: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1411
[08:19] <alkisg> It sounds like gnome doesn't want vino to be easily reusable in other desktop environments :)
[08:19] <arwenvd> i am going to try and find out the command in 5 minutes. I would like to use vino, because i already have 600 pcs running different ubuntu installations and all are with vino. It would be inconvenient for us to use two different remote connect servers on that ammount of computers.
[08:20] <alkisg> Eeeh, have you seen epoptes.org?
[08:20] <alkisg> For that amount of workstations, it would be waaaay easier to manage them with epoptes
[08:34] <arwenvd> I have made my network very understandable with bind configuration, so if i want to connect to someone, i just type vncviewer 101 and i go there. I just need to make it work with 18.04
[09:03] <arwenvd> Okay, so, the settings for the screen share on gnome are in gnome-control-center --overview
[09:08] <alkisg> arwenvd: the options I see for you are (1) apt install --no-install-recommends gnome-control-center => nah, don't do that on MATE, (2) use dconf-editor to change vino settings as mentioned in the URL I pasted above, or (3) use another server like epoptes
[09:09] <alkisg> epoptes is much easier than "vncviewer 101". It's: I see all client thumbnails, and I click "monitor" or "assist" user to get access
[09:09] <alkisg> And of course logoff, shutdown, right click properties, right click open terminal and a lot others
[09:09] <alkisg> And it needs less than 1 MB RAM on the clients, it's extremely light
[09:10] <gnugr> alkisg: might 'dconf-tools' could help for remote access, but no idea if it's candidate (exists in d/sid)
[09:11] <alkisg> gnugr: dconf-tools is the package that provides dconf-editor, what I proposed, yes
[09:14] <gnugr> dconf-tools don't ship with dconf-editor
[09:14] <gnugr> but sure it allows remote access for everything
[09:16] <alkisg> gnugr: check this: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/dconf-tools
[09:16] <alkisg> Or just run `apt show dconf-tools`
[09:16] <alkisg> You'll see that dconf-tools is a transitional package that installs dconf-editor
[09:16] <alkisg> Don't confuse the users please
[09:18] <gnugr> aaahh OK difers in ubuntu
[09:18] <alkisg> This is the #ubuntu-mate channel :)
[09:18] <gnugr> differs* even
[09:19] <alkisg> It's the same in debian though, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/dconf-tools
[09:19] <alkisg> Again a transitional package that install dconf-editor
[09:32] <gnugr> alkisg: ah yes, dconf-tools not exists in d/testing, that was my mistake
[11:51] <mate|40118> hi all
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[12:39] <Hello> hi?
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[15:19] <mate|75205> Hey I am Russell in Salem Oregon trying the chat feature out
[15:24] <mate|1499> Russell here trying this chat feature out
[19:20] <mate|93990> 18.04 LTS, button on the panel to log out/restart/shut down has stopped working; how to log out or restart?
[19:21] <sixwheeledbeast^> shutdown now in a terminal would work. but i would investigate why your panel has an issue too.
[19:22] <vkareh> mate|93990: Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace to get the logout menu, Ctrl+Alt+Delete to get the shutdown/restart menu
[19:27] <mate|93990> vkareh
[19:27] <mate|93990> vkareh
[19:27] <mate|93990> vkareh: Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace doesn't do anything; Ctrl+Alt+Delete OK
[19:27] <vkareh> mate|93990: ah, okay maybe I have a custom shortcut on my side :P
[19:29] <mate|93990> vkareh: thanks
[19:29] <vkareh> you're welcome!