[13:10] <jsjgruber_> testing new lernid ubuntu version from here
[13:11] <leoquant> new version would be great
[17:16] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:25]  * jcastro taps the mic
[17:25] <jcastro> 5 minutes until the next Q+A
[17:26] <jcastro> Q and A with David Mandala, ARM Engineering Manager
[17:30] <jcastro> Alright welcome everyone
[17:31] <jcastro> welcome to our series of Q+A sessions with managers at Canonical
[17:31] <jcastro> up today we have David Mandala, ARM Engineering manager for Ubuntu
[17:31] <jcastro> he's going to introduce himself
[17:31] <jcastro> so start thinking about your questions
[17:31] <davidm> Hi Everyone, I'm David Mandala, I'm the manager of the Ubuntu ARM team and have been working on ARM for the last couple of years within Ubuntu
[17:31] <jcastro> and ask them with QUESTION: in the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel
[17:32] <jcastro> and then we'll get started
[17:32] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/01/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:32] <jcastro> so without further delay, take it away davidm!
[17:32] <davidm> I am happy to try and answer your questions about Ubuntu ARM
[17:33] <jcastro> while people start to queue up questions why don't you tell us about yourself
[17:33] <jcastro> and your team
[17:33] <jcastro> and what it is your team does
[17:34] <davidm> The ARM team is fairly small, we enable different ARM system on chip designed to run Ubuntu Netbook
[17:34] <davidm> To date we enabled the Freescale iMX51, the Marvell Dove, the TI OMAP 3 and TI OMAP 4 SoC's
[17:35] <davidm> The Ubuntu 10.10 contains images for Marvell and TI OMAP 3 and 4
[17:35] <ClassBot> davidcalle asked: What's your feeling about Unity 2D?
[17:36] <davidm> I think Unity 2D is really nice on ARM.  One of our challenges with ARM is the accelerated graphics stack is usually proprietary
[17:37] <davidm> I think Unity 2D is lightweight and runs really really well with out acceleration
[17:38] <ClassBot> bjf asked: when will ubuntu start producing arm images targeted specifically at arm server ?
[17:38] <davidm> We are producing a headless image this cycle and I think specific ARM server images will follow on very soon
[17:39] <davidm> possibly as soon as the next cycle but its not completely clear today
[17:39] <ClassBot> bjf asked: What is the currently recommended HW platform for someone wanting to get started, playing with ubuntu on ARM ?
[17:40] <davidm> I personally like the TI Panda board, we have images and drivers for that board in the upcoming release.  You can also use a Beagle or BeagleXM all of the boards are sub $200 USD
[17:41] <davidm> The beagle is a little low on RAM for the netbook image, The Beagle XM and Panda have more RAM
[17:41] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Some people go on about ARM, but what's so special about it really, not just for Ubuntu, but in general?
[17:43] <davidm> ARM is a very very low power architecture, using milli watts or 1-2 watts vs other chip families that use 50+ watts or even hundreds of watts
[17:43] <davidm> most folks today that have a cell phone are carrying an ARM device, nearly all cell phones use ARM SoC's
[17:44] <davidm> So think in terms of many many hours of battery life and no fans in designs
[17:44] <ClassBot> davidcalle asked: Can you tell us what companies/vendors will ship 11.04 on arm?
[17:45] <davidm> 11.04 will ship with Netbook images for Texas Instruments (TI) OMAP 3 and OMAP 4.  There will also be headless serial port images for both TI SoC's
[17:46] <ClassBot> davidcalle asked: What is your team going to focus on during the next cycle?
[17:47] <davidm> Well we never quite know for sure what new SoC's might be in the pipeline but we expect to continue with the TI SoC's and perhaps some others as low cost boards become available to the community
[17:47] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Do you think Ubuntu might eventually have a version for mobilephones/smartphones?
[17:49] <davidm> That is a good question, but I don't know the answer really.  We might, certainly Unity and Unity 2D are targeted to making better use of small screens.  But cell phones have a really small screen so if it happens it will need applications that work on that size screen
[17:50] <davidm> We don't have many of those today for sure.  The ARM team is working hard with upstreams to fix application window sizes just to properly fit netbooks today
[17:51] <ClassBot> popey asked: Why is it that the latest ARM laptop on the market (Hercules http://www.hercules.com/uk/ecafe/bdd/p/156/ecafe-trade-ex-hd-black-/ ) looks like it uses Ubuntu and should be applauded, but doesn't even mention Ubuntu on the site? No OEM license?
[17:52] <davidm> Well I can't talk to the specifics in this case, it's the first I've seen this netbook.  I am really happy to see Ubuntu ARM being used.  From my quick look at it just now it does indeed look like it's using Ubuntu ARM images.  All I can say is yea! Folks are using what we make :-)
[17:52] <ClassBot> popey asked: How much longer do we have to wait for ARM to deliver credible alternative laptops to x86? (I can name only two ARM laptops that actually ship off the top of my head)
[17:53] <davidm> Sorry my Crystal ball is broken today ;-P
[17:53] <jcastro> heh
[17:54] <davidm> That said I hope to see more and more netbooks shipping over the next year, I was able to buy a Toshiba AC100 over the counter in the UK 4 months ago.  Granted is was not running Ubuntu but it is really really nice.  And the community was nice enough to get Ubuntu running on it :-)
[17:55] <davidm> So the stream has started, I hope it turns into a flood over the next 12 - 18 months
[17:55] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Will Ubuntu Light be available for download?
[17:57] <davidm> Sorry I don't know much about Ubuntu Light, it was designed to provide a super fast boot to check email and web.  I have no idea where it's at today, there does seem to be less demand for such technology as boot speeds on Ubuntu are much faster then they were even a year ago.
[17:57] <davidm> My team did not work on that project sorry I can't tell you more, I just don't know more.
[17:58] <davidm> Wow no questions in the queue
[17:59] <davidm> Either I've done a great job at answering your questions or such a bad job you have all run away screaming
[18:00] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: If Canonical gets much more invovled with ARM Linux, will it maybe help other distros sometimes with this as well?
[18:01] <davidm> sebsebseb I'm not sure I understand the question, but here goes:  We work hard to make sure the entire archive works with ARMv7 hardware and we push fixes upstream when we find issues with code that works with x86 and not on ARM.  For example we found that mono on ARM was very broken and folks on my team have been working hard with upstream to fix that
[18:02] <davidm> So from the point of view of over all increasing the quality of applications running on ARM we do that
[18:03] <davidm> in terms of helping other distro's build ARM version of their distro's no that we don't do.  As I said at the beginning we are a very small team.
[18:03] <ClassBot> davidcalle asked: How do you feel about Linaro?
[18:03] <davidm> I think that Linaro is very important
[18:04] <davidm> If you want to develop applications on X86 it's trivial to do the same on ARM is harder.  Linaro is helping to make developing both applications and products on ARM as easy as it is today on X86
[18:06] <davidm> Today its nearly impossible to boot the same ARM kernel on more then a single board, you actually need to change settings and  recompile for each platform and board supported.
[18:06] <davidm> Linaro is working to change that.
[18:07] <davidm> On x86 Ubuntu effectively has two kernels a 32 bit and a 64 bit kernel.  On ARM we have had lots more then that just to support a hand full of SoC's
[18:07] <davidm> There is a lot more that Linaro is doing but they can tell you more I'm sure
[18:08] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Yeah, but I meant if the ARM team at Canonical was much bigger, would it then maybe help other distro's make ARM versions of their distros sometimes?
[18:10] <davidm> Not really, our job is to work on Ubuntu ARM not on brand x ARM.  As I said we are concerned about making ARM applications better, but each distro has different goals different desires.  We will stay focused on Ubuntu not other distro's
[18:11] <davidm> More questions?
[18:13] <ClassBot> davidcalle asked: could you or your team make a video of an arm device booting and running Unity 2D?
[18:14] <davidm> Wow, nice question, and oddly enough something I had never thought of.  I don't see why we could not.
[18:15] <davidm> I'll get it done, perhaps not until after release we are really tight jammed up testing and closing as many bugs as we can, but perhaps right after release
[18:16]  * davidm slaps his head, what a great idea!
[18:16] <davidm> Folks we have about 145 minutes left more questions?
[18:17] <davidm> Folks we have about 13 minutes left more questions? (fix typo) ;-D
[18:18] <davidm> It is harder to do this then I thought.  If you get your fingers moving too fast you spend a lot of time looking for typo's
[18:19] <davidm> Anyway, grap a board (they are pretty cheap) jump in we have some nice images to work with and help close bugs and fix screen size issues. :-)
[18:20] <ClassBot> GrueMaster asked: What is the best way for the community to add input to the devlopment process of arm images?
[18:20] <davidm> Great question
[18:20] <davidm> :-)
[18:21] <davidm> Well there are several things you can do: 1) Attend UDS, come with ideas and be ready to help. 2) Jump into #ubuntu-arm and make suggestions and also be willing to help
[18:21] <davidm> hmm several???? That was two
[18:21] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:21] <davidm> come into #ubuntu-devel and make suggestions and again be willing to help
[18:22] <davidm> The nice part is for the last couple if years it's been nearly impossible to get hardware.  That has changed, you can get a Panda board, you can get Beagle boards
[18:23] <davidm> That means you can test, develop and share your ideas far more easily then ever before.
[18:24] <davidm> I really look forward to all of you showing up in #ubuntu-arm and jumping into the pool.  It's fun.
[18:25] <davidm> I think that Linaro might be doing more with Android not sure you may want to ask in the Linaro mailing lists or irc channels
[18:25] <davidm> Sorry I don't know more for sure
[18:25] <davidm>  thanks for coming today, this was fun
[18:26]  * davidm has clearly lost his marbles and needs help finding them
[18:26] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:27] <davidm> Anyone finding davidm's marbles please bring them to #ubuntu-arm so he can gather them up and put them back in place
[18:29] <davidm> OK just about out of time, if you have more questions at any time come one over and ask them in #ubuntu-arm
[18:30] <davidm> thanks again for your time and questions
[18:31] <jcastro> thanks everyone for stopping by!
[18:31] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/01/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[20:49] <bebe> Hi everybody! Iḿ looking for a moderator for facebooks "ubuntu" group. Iǘe got the tipp to search for one here... Thank you!
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[20:52] <serfus> bebe, if i am correct jono bacon is the facebook group owner
[20:52] <bebe> Oh thank you!
[20:52] <serfus> bebe, why don't you just send him a message through facebook?
[20:53] <bebe> I came here via this site: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA?action=AttachFile...
[20:54] <bebe> After knowing his name (thank you again) iĺl try to contact him on facebook.
[20:55] <bebe> Ah- i have found him on facebook. Great!
[21:07] <bebe> @serfus: I wrote to Jono- i think, you helped very much! Thank you, have a good time! Cheers!
[21:07] <meetingology> bebe: Error: "serfus:" is not a valid command.


[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <barry> mooooootbooottt!
[15:00] <barry> anyway, welcome everyone to this week's ameu reveiwer's meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <abentley> me
[15:00] <bac> me
[15:01] <mars> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <adeuring> me
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:01] <gary_poster> me
[15:02] <allenap> me
[15:02] <adeuring> barry: shouting at machines can have bad side-effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4
[15:02] <barry> adeuring: will check that out later :)
[15:03] <danilos> me
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:03] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:03] <barry>  * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained
[15:03] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:03] <barry>  * Action items
[15:03] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC]  * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained
[15:04] <barry> so.  mars is going to stop doing regular ocr for a while, but he will be doing js reviews on call.  this will last until we have more js reviewers trained up to spread the load
[15:05] <barry> my only concern is ocr coverage for thursdays
[15:05] <mars> well, we have experienced JS reviewers - they're just spread out :)
[15:05] <barry> since there's no euro coverage on thursdays
[15:05] <barry> mars: ah
[15:05] <danilos> mars: are you really happy with allowing review requests to come at any time? that might be a bit hard on you
[15:06] <danilos> (i.e. I'd suggest keeping a time slot as well, and allowing pre-arrangements in other cases)
[15:06] <mars> danilos, I find myself doing so anyway, for the YUI integration.  Ironcially, I hope that this frees up more time to code :)
[15:06] <danilos> mars: right, if that's the case, go for it :)
[15:07] <mars> danilos, it's only temporary, until some more YUI code goes through review with the AJAX team.  Then I'll switch back.
[15:07] <danilos> barry: early hours of euro coverage are usually not very busy (at least that's my experience on tuesdays)
[15:07] <mars> barry has left the building...
[15:08] <gmb> me
[15:08] <danilos> gmb: ok, we hear you ;)
[15:09] <mars> ok, well, barry was concerned that we may be thin for reviewers
[15:09] <mars> that puts the Thursday/West review load on cprov
[15:10] <danilos> I can myself switch to Thursdays, though that leaves Tuesday euro slot empty
[15:10]  * mars checks the ReviewerSchedule
[15:10] <danilos> though, we've got two "west" reviewers (rockstar and bac)
[15:10] <bac> i think tuesdays would be sufficiently covered
[15:10] <intellectronica> me too (sorry i'm late)
[15:11] <danilos> agreed, so I'll just switch over to Thursdays, but starting next week :)
[15:12] <mars> danilos, cool.  I've found myself doing Euro reviews when I start my shift, so maybe you can start them even earlier.
[15:13] <cprov> danilos: nice!
[15:13] <danilos> cprov: you are still on your own this week, but week 3 should be easier for you :)
[15:14] <mars> so, we are agreed then?
[15:14] <cprov> danilos: let's hope so :)
[15:14] <mars> 3
[15:14] <mars> 2
[15:15] <mars> 1
[15:15] <danilos> I've already updated the ReviewersSchedule
[15:15] <danilos> :)
[15:15] <mars> danilos, thank you
[15:15] <mars> [AGREED] Danilo to move to the Thursday/Euro review slot
[15:16] <mars> ok, so what's next?
[15:16] <gary_poster> Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:17] <gary_poster> [TOPIC] * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:17] <abentley> Have people been trying out bzr send?
[15:17] <bac> abentley: yes!  love it.
[15:17] <mars> abentley, yes!  It doesn't like unicode emails :(
[15:17] <allenap> Yes, it's cool.
[15:17] <mars> but it's awesome to use
[15:18]  * gmb just used it for the first time. Looks cool.
[15:18] <abentley> Cool.  I hope to get it supporting bundles soon.
[15:18] <bac> abentley: if you use 'editor' could it be made to save a copy of the MP you write in the directory, like review-submit did?
[15:18] <abentley> So then you don't need to create a branch even.
[15:18] <mars> barry!
[15:18] <barry> jeebus.  xchat gave me no indication i wasn't logged in
[15:18] <danilos> bzr send is on my agenda to try out today or tomorrow (I have your instruction loaded in one window :)
[15:19] <barry> i saw my messages but nothing by anyone else
[15:19] <barry> i thought you all were ignoring me ;)
[15:19] <abentley> bac: I imagine it could.
[15:19] <barry> what's the last thing you saw from me?
[15:19] <bac> 10:00:38] <barry> mooooootbooottt!
[15:19] <abentley> bac: I had quite a lot of hate for that feature, because I couldn't commit --strict after that.
[15:19] <gary_poster> barry: mars: ah
[15:19] <danilos> barry: your behind on the door, but that's probably not what you are actually asking
[15:20] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:20] <abentley> bac: Of course, if you use a different client, it will be in your sent items.
[15:20] <danilos> barry: fyi, I've switched from Tuesdays to Thursdays for OCR to help alleviate load on cprov
[15:20] <barry> danilos: ha ha!
[15:20] <barry> danilos: thanks.  did you update the wiki pages?
[15:20] <mars> barry, and we're telling war stories for bzr send
[15:21] <bac> abentley: i'm just paranoid about losing work and having to re-type the MP.  can work around, though.
[15:21] <barry> mars: excellent!  are people using bzr send for mps now?
[15:21] <danilos> barry: we've moved on to peanut gallery where abentley is showing off his bzr send magic
[15:21]  * barry will have to look at the logs
[15:22] <abentley> bac: You can certainly save it yourself...
[15:23] <bac> abentley: that's the work-around i mentioned.
[15:23] <abentley> mars: I saw the unicode thing you mentioned.  Was pretty shocked that LP's simple_sendmail can't handle email ids with Unicode.
[15:23] <barry> abentley: we talked at one time about reviving review-submit and rebuilding it on top of 'bzr send'.  does that still make sense?
[15:24] <mars> abentley, the OOPS comes from the Python email module I think.
[15:24]  * barry ducks
[15:24] <mars> LP's simple_sendmail can't be blamed for that :)
[15:24] <sinzui> abentley: There is a mythical branch from spiv two years ago that would handle that.
[15:24] <abentley> barry: I think it would be much better to make "bzr send" do what we need than invent our own quirky thing that is kinda the same.
[15:25] <barry> barry_: your irc client sucks
[15:25] <barry_> barry: i know :(
[15:25] <mars> LOL
[15:26] <abentley> mars: Python's email module supports unicode headers when used correctly.
[15:26] <mars> ah
[15:26] <danilos> we'll get to see how it all works once I give it a try :)
[15:26] <abentley> mars: It's just a bit of a hassle to use it correctly.
[15:27] <barry> abentley: send would have to grow some hook points perhaps.  e.g. to do the lint checking and cover.txt prompting, etc.  is that feasible?
[15:27] <mars> danilos, it sends the mail and such, but you get this wayward mail after-the-fact.
[15:27] <abentley> barry: I think so.
[15:27] <mars> danilos, maybe it's trying to archive the mail or something when it blows up
[15:27] <danilos> mars: right, I'll pay close attention to see what's happening once I get to it
[15:28] <barry> abentley: cool.  here's to hoping there's a week 0 soon :)
[15:29] <barry> shall we move on to other topics?
[15:30] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:30] <barry> i have made no progress on my two
[15:30] <barry> flacoste: any progress on API reviewer cheat sheet?
[15:31] <flacoste> barry, no i suck
[15:31] <barry> no worries :)
[15:31] <flacoste> well
[15:31] <flacoste> i should
[15:32] <flacoste> sucking like that 4 meeting in a row isn't good
[15:32] <flacoste> i should do it
[15:32] <barry> flacoste: kfogel has been making a lot of great progress on the dev wiki
[15:32] <flacoste> or either find somebody else to do it
[15:32] <flacoste> i saw
[15:32] <kfogel> oh, barry et al: I meant to ask if people are happy with the direction in the dev wiki
[15:32] <barry> cool.  we'll just keep it on the agenda for now anyway
[15:33] <barry> kfogel: in general, yes.  i found it a bit hard to find the pages i was looking for, but mostly because they'd been renamed (not that that reorg is a bad thing)
[15:33] <barry> kfogel: i think the thing that would /really/ help me is some progress on the outstanding dev wiki usability bugs
[15:34] <kfogel> barry: yes, sorry.  I'm aiming it at the newcomers, not us; the inconvenience should be temporary.
[15:34] <kfogel> barry: oh -- are these filed issues?  (I can search for them?)
[15:34] <barry> kfogel: oh, that's totally fine.  i'll get used to it.  yes, iirc they're all on the launchpad-docs project, but double check w/ mrevell
[15:34] <kfogel> *nod*
[15:34] <kfogel> will do
[15:34] <barry> thx!
[15:35] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[15:35] <barry> any updates from mentors or mentats?  any graduations imminent? :)
[15:36] <allenap> I think adeuring is due to graduate... he's pretty hot on reviews.
[15:36] <adeuring> allenap: thanks :)
[15:36] <barry> excellent
[15:36] <barry> allenap: send me an email and i'll make it official
[15:36] <allenap> barry: Cool, okay :)
[15:38] <barry> great!  well, that's all i have today.  unless you have anything else, we can break now and i can spend the next 3.79 hours trying to figure out why xchat is so horribly broken for me now, and then another 6.12 days switching to irc-in-emacs only to punt on it all and stick with <cough>colloquy</cough>
[15:39] <gary_poster> barry: <mutter>that's what I'm using :-D </mutter>
[15:39] <barry> :)
[15:39] <barry> gary_poster: maybe i should use irooms on my iphone :)
[15:40] <gary_poster> heh
[15:40] <barry> okay then!
[15:40] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:40] <barry> thanks everyone.  see you back at the ranch


 @teward001 ZERO rush on this, I'll probably remind you later in the week. lsp-plugins (the one we JUST uploaded) got a hotfix release, v1.1.13 is now at https://launchpad.net/lsp-plugins. Happily, this one removed the need for any patches. Lintian clean.
 Merry Christmas everyone!
 Yeah remind me after the holidays heh
 @Eickmeyer [Merry Christmas everyone!], Thanks! Merry X and happy GNU year everyone!


[13:33] <alex1s> Hi all
[13:35] <alex1s> I have bad performance when running a SVG zoom inside firefox with Ubuntu on a Rpi3, in raspbian it is smooth, do you have any idea what I can do to have the same performance on the 2 distribution ?


[01:15] <MythbuntuGuest83> hello, everyone
[01:16] <MythbuntuGuest83> I'm in need of some help.
[01:17] <MythbuntuGuest83> I have a PVR-500.  Tuner 1 is fine.    Yes, both have the same lineup
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> Are there more than 1 header on the card?
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> I had this same problem a few days ago, although I use SVideo inputs
[01:26] <agamotto> Ok, that rules out the stupid, on to the odd... During the setup, did you set up the same bits for both tuners 0 and 1?
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> turns out I needed to be plugged into the second header, not the first
[01:26] <MythbuntuGuest83> Agamotto, I'm not sure what you mean by the same bit.
[01:27] <agamotto> When you set up the tuners, you set up a channel list, etc for tuner 0 and tuner 1?
[01:28] <MythbuntuGuest83> Agamotto, yes, both have a channel list.
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't suppose you have a link to your specific card
[01:28] <agamotto> Hmmm
[01:28] <MythbuntuGuest83> What sort of link?
[01:29] <tgm4883_laptop> like if you ordered it off of newegg, that link.  That way we could tell exactly which one you have
[01:29] <agamotto> Try this, as odd as it sounds... take the lead/cable from tuner 0 and put it on tuner 1, see if anything appears on the screen
[01:30] <MythbuntuGuest83> Ah.  It's a Hauppauge PVR-500 with a samsung chip.
[01:30] <WcktKlwn> I wish the HVR-1600 was supported
[01:31] <MythbuntuGuest83> Agamotto, my card only has one input connection.
[01:31] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest83, how are you hooked up to your card?  With coax, svideo, composite, etc?
[01:32] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest83, where did you get this card?
[01:33] <agamotto> Now that is funny, as Hauppauge assured me in an email recently that the WinTV HVR-1800 would work with Mythbuntu
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest83> Amazon, but it's not new.  It previously worked on my Ubuntu Feisty Mythtv setup.
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest83> The card receives it's signal with coax cable.
[01:33] <agamotto> MythbuntuGuest83:  I would have to say that I am stumped then.
[01:33] <WcktKlwn> agamotto, I believe the 1800 uses the same chipset, and it's limited support in linux right now
[01:34] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest83, AFAIK, you can only record 1 channel per hookup
[01:34] <agamotto> Hrm
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> No, the card has an internal splitter.  My previous Feisty setup recorded two shows at once.
[01:36] <agamotto> Now that would be odd.  MythTv confirms that there are two tuners that it sees?
[01:36] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[01:36] <MythbuntuGuest83> Yes, it sees both.
[01:36] <agamotto> Speaking of questions:  Does anyone know if any of the USB stick tuners works with Mythbuntu?
[01:36] <tgm4883_laptop> and you set the card up twice in mythtv-setup, one set to /dev/video0 and one set to /dev/video1?
[01:36] <agamotto> Now that is truly odd
[01:37] <MythbuntuGuest83> tgm, that's right.
[01:37] <WcktKlwn> agamotto, nvm, it's a different chipset, which is supported
[01:37] <WcktKlwn> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800
[01:38] <agamotto> nvm?
[01:41] <WcktKlwn> nevermind
[01:41] <agamotto> ahhhh
[01:41] <agamotto> txt spk?
[01:42] <WcktKlwn> only problem with that card is I don't have any pci-e slots in my box
[01:42] <WcktKlwn> that's aim speak from like 10 years ago
[01:42] <agamotto> Ahhh
[01:43] <agamotto> I am working on doing up a box for my mum, and I figured that the easiest route might be the USB stick-style tuners, but Hauppauge only came up with the 1800.
[01:43] <agamotto> Well, if that is all that will work, I suppose that would be it.
[01:44] <WcktKlwn> I really wish I would have bought the pvr-150 that was right next to it when I bought it
[01:44] <tgm4883_laptop> frink__, ping
[01:45] <agamotto> Hmmm, according to the wiki, analog support on the card isn't there yet... confusing
[01:46] <agamotto> I have a pvr-150 in my current box... works well
[01:46] <WcktKlwn> yeah, I wish I would have gotten one
[01:46] <agamotto> Try amazon
[01:47] <agamotto> eBay, if that doesn't scare you away
[01:47] <tgm4883_laptop> newegg
[01:51] <WcktKlwn> how are the WinTV-PVR 500 ?
[01:52] <agamotto> I could not say, as I haven't played with the multi-tuner cards yet
[01:55] <tgm4883_laptop> mine works pretty good, although I have to use the svideo inputs
[01:56] <agamotto> Svideo in?  what from/for?
[01:56] <tgm4883_laptop> I have read that they are a little sensitive to too much power from the coax (degrades picture)
[02:00]  * agamotto twiddles
[02:05] <WcktKlwn> I almost want to over night a pvr-500
[02:08] <agamotto> Tempting, isn't it?
[02:08] <WcktKlwn> only bad thing is, it won't actually get here tomorrow
[02:09] <agamotto> Who knows?
[02:09] <agamotto> I ordered the kit for mum's new box Monday, and everything but the memory was here yesterday, with ground shipping
[02:10] <WcktKlwn> order has to get in before like 5
[02:10] <agamotto> Turns out that they have a warehouse in Naperville, Il., with my living in Moline
[02:10] <tgm4883_laptop> yea in order for it to get there tomarrow, it would have to ship today
[02:11] <WcktKlwn> and I don't think any new orders are going out tonight for newegg
[02:12] <agamotto> True, but I was rather surprised that TigerDirect got my kit to me next day... Usually, 3day ground w/UPS means about a week
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest25> is there a way to install/enable mythmovies in mythbuntu, or do i need sources?
[02:20] <agamotto> I am afraid that question is out of my league, as I only use it as a DVR
[02:20] <WcktKlwn> mythmovies is just on by default isn't it?
[02:21] <WcktKlwn> isn't it just mythvideo now?
[02:21] <agamotto> I am not sure.  I have played with the streams a bit, but I don't use most of the other functions
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest25> perhaps its called something else now, im looking for movie times at the cinema, aka getting out of the house :)
[02:22] <WcktKlwn> oh
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest25> it was in previous releases if i recall correctly
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest25> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMovies
[02:24] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[02:24] <tgm4883_laptop> it's in trunk
[02:24] <superm1> that is in trunk
[02:24] <tgm4883_laptop> it's brand new
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest25> thats all i can find, other than mentions of thetr unk
[02:25] <MythbuntuGuest25> i get that through svn correct?
[02:25] <superm1> you can get it via weekly builds
[02:25] <superm1> well as of this upcoming weekend's weekly build at least
[02:25] <WcktKlwn> I have problems with iso playback in the weekly builds
[02:25] <superm1> it will be included in that
[02:27] <MythbuntuGuest25> so by enabling weekly builds, i will receive the mythmovies plugin?
[02:28] <agamotto> I haven't even tried to burn a dvd with it yet
[02:28] <agamotto> I use it mostly as a better VCR
[02:28] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest25, as of this next build yes
[02:28] <MythbuntuGuest25> as of right now im using it as a huge dvd jukebox so to speak, i haven't narrowed down a capture card yet
[02:29] <WcktKlwn> what do you store your dvd's on?
[02:29] <agamotto> You rip them into the hd, right?
[02:29] <MythbuntuGuest25> two sata hd's lvm'ed together
[02:30] <MythbuntuGuest25> yes, perfect mode which creates vob's
[02:30] <MythbuntuGuest25> some people like special features and menus, i hate them
[02:30] <MythbuntuGuest25> well, i like special features _once_
[02:30] <WcktKlwn> I wanna take my dvd's and my girlfriends dvd's and turn it into a huge dvd server.. but the problem is, I need alot of storage space (4tb right now and room to grow)
[02:31] <MythbuntuGuest25> thats some serious movies
[02:31] <agamotto> Hmmm, now that would be a use for a serious movie fan...
[02:32] <WcktKlwn> together we have 509 movies
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest25> not that anybody's counting
[02:33] <WcktKlwn> I have a movie database going for our movies
[02:33] <agamotto> Wow.  Far more than I have... my whole collection would add up to about 60
[02:35] <MythbuntuGuest25> you figure an average of 20 bucks per movie, that comes to $10,180
[02:35] <WcktKlwn> sad isn't it?
[02:35] <agamotto> Hmmm, I have rarely paid over $10
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest25> depending on what you get and where you get it
[02:36] <agamotto> I always wait about 6months after something comes out... save a lot that way
[02:37] <MythbuntuGuest25> i haven't gotten to one yet, but how do you rip/catalog episode dvds, such as family guy seasons?
[02:37] <tgm4883_laptop> for storage space, you probably don't need to archive the whole disc either, movie only
[02:39] <MythbuntuGuest25> im still trying to figure out how to remove foreign language audio tracks from it...i found a guide using mplayer but it core dumps
[02:44] <WcktKlwn> why would you want to?
[02:44] <MythbuntuGuest25> space
[02:45] <MythbuntuGuest25> one of my movies defaulted to french, though i might have done something goofy, i havent tried it recently
[03:02] <agamotto> My first DVD player defaulted to Espanol for everything... took me three days to get it to English
[03:12] <agamotto> Here is a question I didn't think of... if someone wanted to set up a unit with two pvr-150s, would one remote control both tuners, or would you be stuck with needing two remotes?
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest25> can't imagine you would
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest25> if you had two identical tvs either remote would control either
[03:13] <agamotto> Ok, I wasn't sure if it would work that way, as I can't see how each tuner would know which one you are 'aiming at' with the remote
[03:14] <agamotto> Unless you move the little 'eyes' a few feet apart?
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest25> as i understand it, the remote controls the computer, not the card
[03:14] <agamotto> Hmmm, I will look it up on the install guide
[03:15] <Egghead> does anyone know what the text viewer is used to view the full plot info in in mythvideo, when viewing by list?
[03:17] <MythbuntuGuest25> not sure i understand your question
[03:18] <MythbuntuGuest25> agamotto: http://www.pvrweb.com/bbs/lofiversion/index.php/t5235.html
[03:19] <Egghead> im talking about the window that displays the plot info when in mythvideo
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest25> ok what about it
[03:19] <Egghead> you can bring it up by typing i then choose view full plot
[03:20] <Egghead> is it a text viewer or part of myth frontend
[03:20] <agamotto> Danke
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest25> you mean this? http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/mythvideo4.png
[03:20] <Egghead> i guess i mean is it a standalone text viewer that myth uses or codeed into mythfrontend
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest25> its probably coded into it, it doesn't appear to be external viewer
[03:21] <Egghead> ummm, no
[03:21] <Egghead> it available when in list view
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest25> im sure, but not positive, that the plot information is stored in the mysql database, and is just regurgitated on the screen
[03:22] <agamotto> Ok, that settles it.  I will just get two pvr-150s, and not bother with the digital until cable switches over...
[03:23] <MythbuntuGuest25> ota is switching, not cable
[03:23] <MythbuntuGuest25> though they probably won't offer analog packages much longer past the deadline
[03:23] <Egghead> if your in mythvideo, in the tree list view, then press the i key, you get a window, it looks to be a text viewer
[03:24] <agamotto> I know... this box is mostly for cable tv viewing, so I don't mind spending on two 150s... they will last until the switch-over
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest25> i dont see ntsc going away anytime soon
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest25> i have dish network sd and it is connected to my tv via the ntsc...nothing changes for me next year
[03:25] <tgm4883_laptop> yep, boxes will still exist for analog
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest25> the only problem you might run into, and the 'problem' that i have is that the built in tuner won't be changing the channels
[03:26] <agamotto> I just wish all of the companies would just sit down and make crap that 'just works.'  The term 'universal remote' should be punishable by $50,000 fine for each use on packaging
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest25> i thought they were unreversible remotes
[03:27] <Egghead> lol
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest25> by that analogy, so should 'plug in play', 'usb', and 'one size fits all'
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest25> plug n play
[03:32] <agamotto> Plug and Play, especially.  USB is pretty reliable... least problems I have ever had with cabling/devices
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest25> my biggest beef with usb is the connector is square instead of some shape that signifies its alignment
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest25> like the other end has
[03:32] <agamotto> Ok, I can see that
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest25> as long as we're bitchin..
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest25> whats the deal with printer ink?
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest25> heh
[03:35] <agamotto> No kidding
[03:35] <agamotto> I seal my carts in ziplocs, as I don't print that often
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest25> their biggest money maker by far
[03:35] <agamotto> I would consider Kodak, but I am not going to buy a new printer to use their ink
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest25> go to a store and there's a whole aisle full of them, and thats just the latest versions
[03:36] <agamotto> I do quite well with the home refill kits
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest25> not one is compatible with another
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> although they are not marketed as universal
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest25> true
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest25> but why not?
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> and you can get generic
[03:37] <agamotto> Yep, my neighbors are big fans of Walgreen's refilling
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a balance between features and standards
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest83> oops
[03:39] <agamotto> It helps that they do the refills about the same time they do their meds :)
[03:43]  * agamotto waves
[03:43] <agamotto> Time to wander off... my eyes are starting to glaze
[03:43]  * MythbuntuGuest83 waves back
[05:38] <ledhead> question
[05:38] <ledhead> I had a previous install of ubuntu running and audio was fine (gutsy gibbon)
[05:38] <ledhead> now I have installed mythbuntu and have no audio any ideas?
[05:40] <ledhead> will try back tomorrow when people are awake I guess
[05:40] <ledhead> good night ;)
[05:51] <blkorpheus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha4
[05:52] <blkorpheus> please don't break my mythtv again :-P
[05:53] <superm1> blkorpheus, well be ready for breakage, I added trunk today :)
[05:54] <superm1> there are several areas that still need to build though and be ack'ed by archive admins
[05:54] <superm1> so it might be a few days until they show up
[05:59] <blkorpheus> cool
[05:59] <blkorpheus> my backend gives me a crash warning pretty regularly
[05:59] <blkorpheus> I have since ignored most, but they still appear whether I click ignore or not
[06:00] <blkorpheus> I assume, they are known bugs
[06:00] <superm1> well please start submitting them after you upgrade to the trunk stuff
[06:00] <superm1> we need to get those fixed if we can :)
[06:01] <blkorpheus> sure, will do
[06:01] <blkorpheus> i just got bit with bug fatigue
[06:01] <blkorpheus> but I like that I can help make 8.04 solid
[06:01] <blkorpheus> I'm luvin' it already
[06:02] <blkorpheus> I know stuff will break, I don't mind, nothing critical like X
[06:02] <blkorpheus> I've alpha'd since ubuntu began
[06:02] <blkorpheus> alwasy impressed with how stable from the start
[06:02] <blkorpheus> I need to do more, learn C or something to help you guys out, python something
[06:03] <superm1> well once you submit one of these bug reports, the biggest thing you can do is interpret it and determine the true cause
[06:03] <superm1> if you can, that saves upstream a heck of a lot of trouble
[06:07] <blkorpheus> true
[06:08] <blkorpheus> can't believe gnome weather applet is still broken?
[06:08] <blkorpheus> it my favorite app
[06:08] <blkorpheus> they have a fix for it, but not implemented yet?
[06:08] <blkorpheus> will need a reboot I guess
[06:11] <superm1> what's wrong with it?
[06:11] <superm1> Works for Me (TM)
[06:13] <blkorpheus> the xml for locations is missing
[06:13] <superm1> so perhaps because i had it working in gutsy
[06:13] <superm1> and it carried my location over?
[06:13] <superm1> ah yeah i can't change it
[06:16] <blkorpheus> yup
[06:16] <blkorpheus> mine worked in gutsy and in hardy
[06:16] <blkorpheus> but  there was a gnome-applet update, which killed it
[06:34] <baalsgate> can someone tell me where to change the default startup user ?
[06:35] <superm1> mcc can modify that
[06:35] <superm1> so can gdmsetup
[06:35] <superm1> or by hand in /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[06:38] <baalsgate> superml , thats great thanks
[07:49] <Mr__> anyone here?
[07:50] <Mr__> ?
[07:55] <Mr__> ?
[09:39] <blkorpheus> superm1, nothing broke :)
[09:40] <frink__> hello
[09:40] <superm1> blkorpheus, not everything has made it through the NEW queue yet
[09:40] <frink__> hey superm1 !
[09:40] <superm1> so i dont think it will be broke yet
[09:40] <frink__> :)
[09:40] <superm1> hey frink__
[09:40] <superm1> how are you?
[09:40] <superm1> blkorpheus, see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue
[09:41] <superm1> and you can see that they are still sitting at the top for a few NEW things
[09:41] <frink__> I am goood thank, you?
[09:41] <superm1> frink__, pretty good myself.  i just finished relocating, and have about a week or so off here to relax before I start my job
[09:42] <frink__> superm1: Cool, where did you move to and..
[09:48] <superm1> my family was telling me that it was around 11F today in the midwest, while i enjoyed 65F :)
[09:49] <frink__> And add to it, that I paid 104.5p per litre for petrol this morning
[09:49] <frink__> thats like $2 a liter
[09:49] <frink__> litre
[09:49] <frink__> whatever
[09:52] <superm1> :(
[09:52] <superm1> well i need to get to bed, its getting lat... er i guess early at this point, yeah bed time for sure
[14:49] <jarle> superm1: still there?
[14:56] <blkorpheus> he's sleep
[14:59] <jarle> blkorpheus: in addition to him and laga, anyone else here involved in building the mythbuntu packages?
[15:20] <MythbuntuGuest50> hi every whre
[15:20] <MythbuntuGuest50> where
[15:21] <MythbuntuGuest50> do you know if this operating system supports win tv hvr 3000 hardware
[15:21] <MythbuntuGuest50> ?¿
[15:21] <MythbuntuGuest50> somebody?¿
[15:21] <MythbuntuGuest50> somebody knows it?¿
[15:22] <MythbuntuGuest50> ok by thanks for nothing
[15:22] <MythbuntuGuest50> somebody here
[15:23] <MythbuntuGuest50> there is a system test posibly i will get involved in the testing hardware compatibility...
[15:23] <MythbuntuGuest50> nothing to do bye
[15:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> fine, don't wait for an answer
[15:35] <blkorpheus> wow
[15:35] <blkorpheus> must of forgot his meds
[15:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> he coulda had a much nicer tone too
[15:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> saying thanks for nothing 2 minutes after asking
[15:35] <blkorpheus> that helps
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> there should be a blurb on mythbuntu's irc page about etiquette
[15:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> wireless AV transmitter on sale here: http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=58-12335&catalog_name=MCMProducts
[16:03] <[nrx]> ello
[16:21] <tgm4883> rhpot1991_laptop, you mean like the blurb on this page?  http://mythbuntu.org/support
[16:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> hmmmm, has that always been there?
[16:24] <tgm4883> no, i just added it ;)
[16:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh, ok good
[16:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> you should put something about !ask in there
[16:32] <ircleuser> hi guys. i'm working on getting mythtv working and i'm hitting a few stumbling blocks. I'm following the guide on the website for installing and I'm at 'connect source to input'. When i hit the scan for channels ( i selected EIT) I'm getting nothing coming back. Can anyone help me please? :)
[16:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> sorry [nrx] I don't know anything about EIT, you can try #mythtv-users if you don't get any response here after a while
[16:54] <[nrx]> :(
[17:32] <astyler> so.. I did a complete fresh install of mythbuntu
[17:32] <astyler> and whenever I try to select "keys" the frontend crashes
[17:32] <astyler> anyone know where I can check logs or enable logging?
[17:41] <tgm4883> astyler, /var/log/mythtv
[17:41] <tgm4883> there are 2
[17:41] <astyler> thanks
[17:41] <tgm4883> although you probably want mythfrontend.log
[17:41] <astyler> right.
[17:49] <immensewok> Can anyone offer some advice about setting up an IR blaster?
[17:55] <astyler> check mailing list
[17:56] <astyler> there are lots of people who have done and documented it
[17:56] <astyler> forums as well
[17:56] <immensewok> i've been digging around with no luck but i'll check the mailing list. Thanks.
[18:02] <immensewok> In case anyone's feeling generous, I bought a double headed IR blaster from Liebtech and I'm trying to set it up from the Mythbuntu live cd. I can't find my remote model in the drop down list and I'm unsure which kernel modules and drivers I need. Searching for IR blasters turns up tons of stuff but searching for Liebtech turns up nothing.
[18:04] <astyler> oh
[18:04] <astyler> why setting it up from the livecd?
[18:05] <astyler> if its a temp frontend you might have trouble
[18:05] <astyler> but post-setup and post-updates, you might find better support for it
[18:08] <immensewok> I suppose that as a linux noob my best (maybe only) tool is erase and reinstall. The whole point of my myth box is to learn more about linux but I'm still a lot more comfortable in a GUI than on the command line. My setup is a combined front and backend.
[18:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> immensewok: are you actually installing from the live cd, or just trying to run from it?
[18:37] <immensewok> installing
[20:56] <[nrx]> i've installed mythbuntu. enabled the restrcited drivers for my ati radeon. The colour depth isn't there though - can anyone tell me how i increase it?
[20:57] <[nrx]> actually, got a few issue. don't have a mixer control, either
[21:03] <tgm4883> [nrx], did you run alsamixer from the command line?
[21:14] <blkorpheus> [nrx], just read the documents for your video card and drivers for linux
[23:17] <MythbuntuGuest87> laga bist du da, ich habe jetzt die config