 As ek en barry so 6 ure 'n dag doen op minetest dan was 2gig gone
[07:23] <mazal> Ek en hy dieselle in mincraft so 500mb
[07:23] <Kilos> ah
[07:23] <mazal> Aansienlik minder
[07:23] <Kilos> ja heelwat
[07:23] <mazal> Die ding is , mc kan jy vanilla speel want hy het baie meer features en content in , mt moet jy oorlaai met mods omdat hy so leeg is
[07:24] <mazal> Ek sou wet , as jy mt sonder technic , pipeworks en mesecons speel dat sy data gebruik net so laag sal wees.  The game is about 8mb , the modpack is about 30mb
[07:28] <Kilos> dan het jy mos als so nie nodig om te speel behalwe buddies
[07:28] <Kilos> is that the whole game?
[07:28] <mazal> Yeah playing alone is not nice
[07:28] <mazal> Kilos, yep. Minetest itself is actually just an engine
[07:29] <Kilos> so
[07:29] <mazal> The modpack I refer to is Vanessa's dreambuilder and that has everything you could ever need in it
[07:29] <Kilos> if you run it on your own server then let a buddy connect to it what would data use be then
[07:30] <mazal> Lemme check the exact size , I dl'ed a copy the other day
[07:30] <mazal> 21.1mb
[07:30] <Kilos> thats min
[07:31] <Kilos> see my thinking is
[07:31] <mazal> Kilos, a lot of data. It will use send and receive requests the whole time through your connection. Way more than if you played on someone else's server
[07:31] <Kilos> ah ok ty
[07:31] <mazal> The only reason to do that would be if you have someone else on your own lan. Otherwise you just play single player
[07:31] <Kilos> i dont have time anyway
[07:32] <Kilos> or energy
[07:32] <Kilos> yes on a lan would be good
[07:32] <mazal> Is why I learned mc server this week , to setup lan for me and my friend's child
[07:32] <Kilos> ok
[07:33] <mazal> And why I need to be drilling holes in ceiling and stuff lol
[07:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:33] <mazal> Cos I don't have space for another pc
[07:34] <mazal> Maybe I must just sell all these girls :P
[07:34] <mazal> That would make space
[07:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:34] <mazal> But would also make me a very frustrated bunny
[07:40] <mazal> My curiosity is getting the better of me now , I go do data test in minetest quick
[07:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:18] <mazal> Kilos, 56mb per hour
[08:18] <mazal> That's without any active stuff such as technic , pipeworks , messecons
[08:19] <mazal> I wante to join our server where I have such things in place already but couldn't get in. So that is on a different server doing just basics such as digging and mining
[08:19] <mazal> Hi Cryterion
[08:19] <Kilos> ok
[08:19] <mazal> With the active stuff you can double that usage or more
[08:20] <Kilos> thats why i stopped, 100m and hour was murder
[08:36] <magespawn> good morning
[09:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:19] <Kilos> hi tahaan
[09:19] <Kilos> and superfly and ine
[09:19] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[09:19] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 13 hours, 52 minutes and 28 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-05-21 12:27:17 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-05-21 12:52:33 PDT
[10:27] <superfly> Good evening
[10:27] <Kilos> hehe
[10:48] <Kilos> hi pavlushka-
[11:30] <theblazehen> I wish ubuntu would just use version numbers, and not these names.. I want to install 14.04, not "trusty". Serisouly.. Why do I need to remember this
[11:33] <magespawn> to keep the brain going theblazehen
[11:34] <theblazehen> magespawn: The thing I'm trying to do normally keeps the bragoing enough
[11:34] <theblazehen> Oh. No tab complete on normal words. Right
[11:39] <magespawn> lol
[11:40] <magespawn> you were saying?
[11:48] <gremble> Good afternoon
[11:48] <gremble> paddatrapper, How did your calculus go?
[12:08] <paddatrapper> gremble: Write on Wednesday
[12:08] <paddatrapper> But studying is so far so good
[12:12] <gremble> Ah alright. That is good
[12:16] <paddatrapper>  For some reason I'm having great trouble remembering basic trig differentiation identities...
[13:09] <nlsthzn> btw, the code names are only given while the distro is being developed... after that it should only be referred to by the release number... but people will be people :p
[13:29] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: Tell that to canonical.. They're the ones that don't give numbers to their lxc images
[13:30] <nlsthzn> lol, like I said... people...
[13:32] <nlsthzn> but is it Canonial creating the images?  Seeing as the do love the work the community does for them :p
[13:35] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: Well, it's hosted by canonical. lxd is a canonical project
[13:40] <Kilos> yay my 64bit motherboard is working again
[13:47] <nlsthzn> Ubuntu is a Canonical project hosted by Canonical... not sure I would attribute the most % of work that goes into it to Canonical themselves :p
[13:47] <nlsthzn> what was wrong uncle Kilos ?
[13:48] <Kilos> it was dead after a storm
[13:48] <Kilos> no bios even
[13:49] <Kilos> stripped everything over last 2 weeks and started reassembling today and it booted into bios and now running again
[13:49] <Kilos> so i cant tell you what was wrong
[13:49] <Kilos> stripped to see if i could see something that had popped
[13:50] <nlsthzn> nice
[13:50]  * nlsthzn has lost a few things over here due to power cuts >.<
[13:50] <Kilos> very happy its working again but will now bug me not knowing why or what
[13:51] <Kilos> yeah power cuts and surges can cause headaches
[14:17] <Kilos> wbb need modem on desktop pc
[14:44] <inetpro> good evening
[14:44] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[14:45] <Kilos> see you not always here
[14:45] <Kilos> hi skokkk
[14:46] <inetpro> dankie oom
[14:46] <inetpro> who kicked me out and what did I miss?
[14:47] <Kilos> didnt miss much and you just disappeared
[14:47] <Kilos> oh my 64bit desktop is going again
[14:48] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[14:57] <gremble> Paddatrapper, I have been doing calculus for three years and I still dont remember them :P. I have a blackboard in my room where I have the integration identities all written down :P
[15:03] <paddatrapper> gremble: nice. I keep meaning to put one in mine. I calculate them from basics at the beginning of every test because I've given up memorising them
[15:04] <gremble> We don't get time to do that. That is one of the things that I hate about the way that they make us take tests.
[15:04] <gremble> It is set up for failure
[15:08] <Kilos> hi hound-wp
[15:08] <Kilos> you still havent got your nick setup
[15:09] <hound-wp> Hi kilos
[15:09] <Maaz> hound-wp: By the way, paddatrapper on freenode told me "tell hound-wp I'm from Muizenberg side of CT. Yourself?" 2 days, 20 hours, 1 minute and 11 seconds ago
[15:09] <hound-wp> hi guys
[15:09] <hound-wp> nope still havnt gotten it setup
[15:09] <Kilos> you on hexchat?
[15:10] <Kilos> i installed it so i could check how to help
[15:10] <hound-wp> yes currently using it now
[15:10] <Kilos> ok ill tell you what to do
[15:10] <hound-wp> shot thanks man
[15:11] <Kilos> tick hexchat and network list
[15:12] <hound-wp> yes
[15:12] <Kilos> then see if freenode is highlit and tick edit on the right
[15:12] <hound-wp> shoud i put i nick there
[15:12] <hound-wp> ok
[15:12] <Kilos> no need to edit i see
[15:13] <hound-wp> all done
[15:13] <Kilos> you can put your nick there and add a second one as well
[15:13] <Kilos> like i add _ to Kilos-
[15:14] <Kilos> not _ this -
[15:14] <Kilos> ai!
[15:14] <Kilos> then it should open with right nick
[15:15] <hound-wp> lets see what hapen when i leave and come bacl
[15:15] <Kilos> ok
[15:16] <Kilos> yay
[15:16] <hound-wp> would you look at that
[15:16] <Kilos> then you register it
[15:16] <hound-wp> it works
[15:16] <Kilos> lol
[15:16] <hound-wp> ok and how do we go about that
[15:17] <Kilos>    type in /nickserv register password email addy
[15:17] <Kilos> your irc password and your email addy
[15:18] <hound-wp> ok done
[15:18] <hound-wp> just waiting on the activation email to come through
[15:18] <Kilos> cool
[15:19] <hound-wp> ok all done kilos
[15:19] <Kilos> great now you can cloak it
[15:19] <Kilos> hehe
[15:19] <Kilos> so your ip doesnt show
[15:20] <Kilos> when you type a nick in here type first 3 letters and hit tab that will complete the nick
[15:20] <Kilos> even sorts caps
[15:21] <Kilos> to get a cloak you type in /j #freenode and ask staff for a cloak
[15:28] <hound-wp> hey guys any one here mind having a look at this link https://aacable.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/lusca-automated-install-script/
[15:28] <hound-wp> i am trying to get this working but having trouble
[15:34] <Kilos> hound-wp just be patient
[15:34] <Kilos> they will arrive
[15:51] <paddatrapper> hound-wp: I'll check it out later,  but I've got no experience with proxies
[15:51] <hound-wp> thanks
[15:57] <paddatrapper> Currently enjoying 's good braai. Always good fun
[15:58] <Kilos> eat some big meat for me too paddatrapper
[15:59] <hound-wp> i have made some changes in the /etc/sysctl.conf
[15:59] <hound-wp>  file
[15:59] <hound-wp> i want these changes to take effect
[15:59] <hound-wp> how do i go about restarting the network services in ubuntu
[16:00] <Kilos> click on the nm icon in the panel and tell it disconnect
[16:00] <Kilos> and vice versa
[16:01] <nlsthzn> with systemd you use systemctl or some such :p
[16:01] <nlsthzn> systemctl stop network perhaps?
[16:01] <nlsthzn> and then start obviously to get it going
[16:02] <nlsthzn> but that is for ubu 16.04
[16:05]  * nlsthzn knows how to silence a room :p
[16:05] <nlsthzn> \o/
[16:07] <paddatrapper> You can use systemctl restart <service>
[16:08] <Kilos> lol neelsie
[16:08] <Kilos> i cant comment cause im on 14.04
[16:10] <paddatrapper> 14.04: service <service> restart
[16:10]  * paddatrapper has had to do a lot of restarting of things lately
[16:10] <Kilos> lol
[16:11] <Kilos> i find rebooting less brain work
[16:19] <nlsthzn> paddatrapper, ah ok, I have used status, stop and start... guess restart makes it one step less :p
[16:41] <Kilos> hound-wp keep us informed about your progress hey
[16:55] <paddatrapper> nlsthzn: efficiency!
[16:55] <paddatrapper> Lol
[17:11] <hound-wp> hey kilos i got working proxy
[17:11] <Kilos> well done
[17:11] <hound-wp> hehe
[17:12] <hound-wp> now that its working going to format and do it all over again
[17:12] <Kilos> formaty what??
[17:13] <hound-wp> because i want to know  what i did to get it working
[17:13] <hound-wp> its my way of unnderstanding things
[17:13] <hound-wp> its not a production server
[17:13] <Kilos> you going to format the drive
[17:13] <hound-wp> its a virtual machine
[17:13] <Kilos> ah
[17:16] <paddatrapper> Best way to ensure you know the setup well!
[17:20] <magespawn> good evening
[17:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:27] <nlsthzn> >.< so Scotland just beat SA in the sevens final
[17:29] <magespawn> ah well at least we made the finals
[17:38] <nlsthzn> ... and we ended up second in the overall standings for the year... Fiji won a second year in a row.   Then 2 a week for the following 2 weeks
[18:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:03] <paddatrapper> So mainly focusing on maths
[18:09] <Kilos> you can only do your best lad. just make sure its your best. no slacking with studies
[18:10] <Kilos> gremble hoe gaan dit
[18:10] <Kilos> goed hier net koud
[18:10] <Kilos> going down to 6°c tonight
[18:18] <magespawn> Kilos: busy packing to leave tomorrow
[18:18] <Kilos> wow so quick
[18:19] <magespawn> yup start at the new place on wednesday
[18:19] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:19] <Kilos> have a safe trip lad
[18:19] <magespawn> sorry no, tuesday
[18:19] <magespawn> actually
[18:19] <Kilos> eek
[18:25] <Kilos> question: does sudo update-grub work in mint or is it another command
[18:28] <paddatrapper> Should be the same
[18:32] <Kilos> ty
[19:03] <Kilos> i go soak in a hot bath
[19:03] <Kilos> wbb to say night
[19:16] <mazal> Night all
[19:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:02] <slicslak> J-_, that means that apache needs access and it isn't an owner of the files
[00:02] <slicslak> so you can try sudo chmod ugo=rwX
[00:02] <slicslak> or you could do chgrp www-data
[00:02] <slicslak> the later is safer
[00:04] <slicslak> you have the same issue with all webapps, i would advise reading up on permissions in general so you understand what the issue is.
[00:06] <maw> anyone know how to send windows events to a syslog-ng server?
[00:09] <slicslak> if aptitude says that a package was automatically installed, how can i determine which package needed it?
[00:10] <anthony> slicslak:  apt-cache rdepends packagename could give hints (although it won't say exactly which one was the case)
[02:36] <mynous> does anyone know why a proftpd download from a server would cause rtorrent uploads on that server to come to a near complete stand still?
[02:56] <mrpockets> hey guys
[03:46] <espacious_> how do i find where are the binarise of some programs?
[03:56] <leugimap> espacious_: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/en/man1/which.html
[04:25] <kyle888> howdy
[06:48] <slangasek> who normally takes care of testing installation of JeOS on ESX for milestones?  those are the only test cases we don't have results from yet on server for final
[07:46] <kraut> moin
[07:46] <lukehasnoname> AHHHHH
[08:58] <Ububegin> hi.. i have set up a server... Whenever, I type http://localhost .. I want it to get automatically directed to http://localhost/ProjA ... How can I achieve this.. Is there some conf file, I can configure to get this result..
[09:48] <scientus_> how do i turn a auto-update on server like on desktop
[09:50] <_ruben> !info cron-apt
[10:13] <soren> Am I the only one whose logrotate seems to rotate logfiles every day even though logrotate.conf says to rotate them weekly?
[10:15] <slangasek> which logfiles?
[10:15] <slangasek> many of mine are rotated weekly
[10:23] <henkjan> on hardy configurated weekly - rotated weekly
[10:35] <soren> slangasek: anything in /var/log, really. Mail logs in particular.
[10:37] <slangasek> soren: not reproducible for me
[10:37] <soren> slangasek: Weirdness.
[10:39] <soren> slangasek: Double weirdness. /var/lib/logrotate/status doesn't even mention my mail logs.
[13:18] <roktangent> Is there a way to install Ubuntu Server with the encrypted LVM option?  I booted a bunch of ISO's I have, but it doesn't seem to be in any of the installers...is it strictly on the alternative CD?
[13:29] <thefish> roktangent: yep i think so
[13:31] <roktangent> Can I installed a no-GUI server via alternate CD?
[13:33] <mathiaz> roktangent: thre is an option for encrypted LVM in the -server installer.
[13:35] <roktangent> Is it only in the latest release?
[13:35] <thefish> roktangent: yes, but also check out jeos for that, its a tiny, really basic install
[13:36] <roktangent> I guess I should have said 8.04 or 8.10....by latest?
[13:36] <mathiaz> roktangent: 8.04 and 8.10 support lvm encryption at install time
[13:37] <roktangent> including the jeos disc?
[13:37] <mathiaz> roktangent: I don't know if you'd have the option on the JeOS disc.
[13:37] <thefish> mathiaz: can you modprobe md_mod from a livecd then?
[13:38] <thefish> that would be useful
[13:38] <mathiaz> thefish: may be - I don't know about the livecd.
[13:39] <thefish> i tried quite a while ago, and no joy, but may have been added
[13:53] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes, LVM encrypted is an option on JeOS (/me remembers that it took a while to have all components in minimal to make it work)
[13:59] <roktangent> nijaba, are you saying iit is an install-time option on Jeos?
[14:00] <nijaba> roktangent: yes it is
[14:00] <roktangent> I'll check it out
[14:01] <nijaba> roktangent: 8.04 has a separate installer while 8.10 JeOS installer is combined with the standard server CD
[14:01] <nijaba> for 8.10 press F4 on the first screen and selection "Install a minimal virtual guest"
[14:02] <roktangent> I got the 8.04 image....it should be on there right?
[14:02] <roktangent> thanks for the 8.10 tip
[14:05] <nijaba> roktangent: right and you are welcome
[14:11] <roktangent> nijaba, 8.04.1 JeoS just says "Guided, use entire disk, Guided use entire disk and setup LVM, and Manual"....no encrypted option
[14:12] <nijaba> roktangent: duh.  I woudl have sworn it was there, sorry :(
[14:56] <yann2> nijaba > I think there are several issues with the bacula package on hardy - should I try reporting bugs?
[14:56] <yann2> many small issues, easily fixable, but which makes it a bit hard to try out  :)
[15:22] <nijaba> yann2: sure, with my full gratitude if you do so ;)
[15:23]  * ScottK just noticed that the title for the Ubuntu Server press release about Clamav/Spamassassin in Main looks a lot like the title of my blog post on the topic.
[15:23] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:25] <nijaba> ScottK: I'm glad you noticed ;)
[15:33] <madrazr> Hi all, I have a dynamic IP connection. I urgently want to demo a site to one of the persons. So I gave to that person this, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[15:33] <madrazr> but it says page not found
[15:33] <madrazr> what should I do?
[15:33] <madrazr> what should I change in the Apache configuration?
[15:34] <madrazr> btw, thats my IP, any can try please
[15:37] <nijaba> madrazr: I confirm the 404 error.  Here is the Apache signature I get with it: Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_jk/1.2.25 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3 with Suhosin-Patch mod_vhost_hash_alias/1.0 mod_wsgi/1.3 Server at <IP_ADDRESS> Port 80
[15:38] <madrazr> nijaba: yeah thats the problem
[15:38] <nijaba> madrazr: when you test locally, what url do you use and what do you get?
[15:39] <madrazr> nijaba: I have many configuration files like, default, drupal6, drupal6.4, ikiwik, I usually use localhost, drupal6, drupal64, ikiwik respectively
[15:39] <madrazr> for local testing
[15:40] <madrazr> nijaba: many files in sites-available I mean
[15:40] <nijaba> madrazr: so http://localhost/ does return something to you.
[15:40] <madrazr> nijaba: yes
[15:40] <madrazr> that works
[15:40] <madrazr> nijaba: all the other URLs I told work too
[15:40] <nijaba> madrazr: you should check your apache log to see if you have some external hits on your server
[15:40] <madrazr> nijaba: just a min
[15:41] <madrazr> nijaba: /var/log right?
[15:41] <nijaba> madrazr: you might be hitting another server
[15:41] <nijaba> madrazr: yep
[15:41] <madrazr> nijaba: should I see access.log or error.log?
[15:41] <nijaba> madrazr: error.log -> 404
[15:42] <madrazr> nijaba: your IP is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:42] <nijaba> madrazr: yep
[15:42] <madrazr> Ok
[15:42] <madrazr> nijaba: got the error
[15:43] <madrazr> [Wed Oct 29 21:07:10 2008] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] File does not exist: /home/madhu/mywebdevelopment/drupal6.0
[15:43] <madrazr> I know that directory doesn't exist
[15:43] <madrazr> but how to change?
[15:46] <nijaba> madrazr: that's in your site definition in site-available
[15:46] <madrazr> nijaba: I changed it
[15:46] <madrazr> but still the same problem
[15:46] <nijaba> madrazr: can you pastbin is somewhere ?
[15:47] <madrazr> nijaba: actually when I restart Apache, I used to get this error , http://paste.ubuntu.com/64138/
[15:47] <madrazr> nijaba: what exactly should I paste?
[15:47] <madrazr> nijaba: in the previous paste there is a warning
[15:47] <madrazr> that warning used to come before, now I changed the wrong path to an existing path
[15:47] <madrazr> nijaba: and still the same warning comes
[15:48] <madrazr> nijaba: what shall I paste now?
[15:48] <nijaba> madrazr: on the phone atm..
[15:49] <madrazr> Ok
[15:49] <mathiaz> nealmcb: thanks for the correction on the minutes.
[15:50] <mathiaz> nealmcb: seems that I have to fix my script that generates the email from the wiki page.
[15:51] <madrazr> nijaba: I think I found it
[15:51] <madrazr> nijaba: will confirm in some time
[15:53] <madrazr> nijaba: thanks for the help. I found out the problem
[15:53] <nijaba> madrazr: great!
[15:53] <madrazr> I had written a configuration in httpd.conf unknowingly and did not even know that httpd.conf will override other configuration files in sites-available
[15:55] <madrazr> nijaba: thanks a lot.
[15:55] <nijaba> np, I did not do much...
[15:56] <madrazr> nijaba: reminded me to check error.log. I was not doing this and foolishly trying all sorts of things from past 6-7 hours
[15:56] <madrazr> :)
[15:56] <nijaba> madrazr: glad I could help then
[15:56] <madrazr> nijaba: :)
[15:59] <nealmcb> mathiaz: :)  thanks again for doing the minutes so well - it helps a lot
[16:42] <espacious_> anyone has nagios2 installed?
[17:01] <incidence> Hey, How do I make selinux to log? Or how do I test that if it works?
[18:41] <espacious_> hello i installed a package than i removed it trought apt but the filese wesre still in /etc/some program so i rm -R that dir
[18:41] <espacious_> now i try to reinstall the package and it refuses
[18:41] <espacious_> neither revove is ok.
[18:47] <espacious_> nagios2-common
[18:47] <espacious_> nagios2
[18:47] <espacious_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:51] <robd> Hey guys
[18:52] <robd> Is there an easy way to see how fast tx / rx is on an interface via the command line?
[18:52] <robd> I'm looking for something like atop, but just the network speed
[18:52] <robd> and ideally something that doesn't have to muck with the kernel
[18:53] <Deeps> ethtool will tell you what your link speed is
[18:53] <Deeps> bwm(-ng) will tell you current rx/tx rates
[18:54] <robd> Deeps: great
[18:54] <Deeps> ethtool only works on ethernet links mind*
[18:55] <robd> Yeah, it's just a e1000 NIC
[18:55] <robd> I'm just hoping to figure out why my NetBackup server is only receiving data at like 300k/sec
[18:56] <redi> hello
[18:56] <redi> can anybody unlock mandriva channel to enter because they banned me
[18:56] <admin_masu3701> hello
[18:57] <admin_masu3701> am trying to learn networking...do anyone know of a good tutorial?
[18:58] <redi> ?????????????????????????????????????
[18:58] <robd> redi: This is the Ubuntu channel... They have no connection with Mandriva
[18:58] <robd> redi: So no, we can't help
[18:58] <redi> Fuck you then
[18:59] <zul> that was umm...interesting
[19:00] <admin_masu3701> ??
[19:00] <robd> Deeps: Hey thanks for bwm-ng, it looks like a great tool!
[19:00] <robd> see you guys
[19:01] <nealmcb> admin_masu3701: networking is a broad topic, and this is the ubuntu server channel, so I suggest googling with more specifics instead
[19:23] <slicslak> what log should i look in for package installation?  if its syslog, what keyword should i grep for?
[19:24] <zfuser99> Is there a mistake in the ubuntu server guide, mail filtering section, https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html#postfix-mail-filtering-configuration
[19:25] <zfuser99> postconf is at port 10024 and master.cf is set at port 10025?
[19:26] <sommer> zfuser99: nope, that's correct
[19:27] <sommer> zfuser99: you should be able to telnet localhost 10024
[19:27] <sommer> and 10025
[19:29] <zfuser99> Thanks sommer
[19:30] <sommer> np
[19:57] <tymop_> hllo everybody
[19:57] <tymop_>  i am searching some help with the software tetrinet-server. Can I ask here
[20:44] <andyjeffries> Hi everyone, I'm new to Ubuntu server.  I've admined Gentoo systems for a few years now but am migrating my first one to Ubuntu server.  My question is - after apt-get install uw-imapd, what do I have to do to get it listening for incoming connections (I can't find xinet.d files anywhere)
[20:45] <mathiaz> andyjeffries: are you sure you want to use uw-imapd?
[20:45] <mathiaz> andyjeffries: dovecot is the standard imapd daemon in ubuntu
[20:45] <andyjeffries> mathiaz: I have existing mbox files I have to copy over...  Is there an alternative that will use mbox files?
[20:45] <mathiaz> andyjeffries: dovecot supports mbox files
[20:46] <andyjeffries> mathiaz: OK, I'll give that a go.  Do you have much experience with it if I have issues?
[20:46] <mathiaz> andyjeffries: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration/UW
[20:48] <andyjeffries> mathiaz: thanks for that.
[21:03] <andyjeffries> mathiaz: are you around?
[21:05] <andyjeffries> I get an error when I try to login - dovecot: POP3(accounts): open(/var/mail/accounts, O_CREAT) failed: Permission denied
[21:06] <andyjeffries> ls -l /var|grep maildrwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 30  2008 mail
[21:06] <andyjeffries> (oops missed the line break)
[21:26] <slicslak> is there a repository where i could see hardy online?  i found http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git but this is only for the kernel.  what about the entire distrobution?
[21:27] <mathiaz> slicslak: what are you looking for exactly?
[21:27] <mathiaz> slicslak: packages.ubuntu.com
[21:28] <slicslak> mathiaz, i want to see the default /etc directory as ships
[21:28] <mathiaz> slicslak: well the content depends on which packages you've installed on the system
[21:30] <slicslak> mathiaz, sure, but with no packages installed?  is there a default base?  if recall my sudo questions of yesterday... my host maintains they haven't touched a thing.  so i would like to prove to them that their sudoers files i messed.  but i need an online source to point to
[21:30] <soren> slicslak: With no packages installed, you've got an empty filesystem.
[21:31] <mathiaz> slicslak: the /etc/sudoers files is created by the postinst script of the sudoers package
[21:31] <slicslak> right, so i need to look in that package.  thanks
[21:43] <richf> I set up ubuntu server, but need the GUI at boot rather than just he command line.  I see no inittab in etc and know tha the runlevels in ubuntu are different than in Cent and RH
[21:43] <mathiaz> !servergui | richf
[21:44] <richf> mathiaz, I know.  I installed KDE, am in it now, but want it to start automatically at boot.
[21:46] <richf> mathiaz, I see no /etc/inittab
[21:46] <ScottK> richf: How did you install KDE?
[21:47] <richf> It was months ago, but let me go through bash history
[21:47] <ScottK> richf: If you sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop that should get you a complete KDE desktop with autostarting.
[21:48] <richf> sudo apt-get install kde was what I ran.
[21:48] <ScottK> Install kubuntu-desktop.  It's a more complete set of packages.
[21:48] <ScottK> You can remove extra stuff you don't want after.
[21:48] <richf> Ahh.  Getting 'er now.  I'm used to rh type and inittab
[21:48] <richf> THanks.
[21:48] <ScottK> We don't have /etc/inittab because we use Upstart and not Sys V init.
[21:49] <ScottK> IIRC Fedora has gone to Upstart now too.
[21:49] <richf> Really...
[21:49] <ScottK> I recall reading that.
[21:49] <richf> That's what I cut teeth on, but left at FC5
[21:50] <ScottK> Once that's installed, you can get Kubuntu/KDE specific questions answered in #kubuntu.  It's OT for this channel.
[21:50] <mluser-work> Hello, I just installed ubuntu-8.04.1-server-i386.iso.  Installation went fine, but on boot I get a message that sais "This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: 0:6 Unable to boot - please use a kernel approprate for your CPU.".. Any ideas?
[21:51] <phaidros> assuming we have a jail whereto users can - using rssh - only scp and sftp into. what would be a proper way to let users adjust their passwords?
[21:51] <ScottK> mluser-work: What CPU?
[21:51] <mluser-work> Pentium M
[21:51] <ScottK> Dunno if that's supported by the server kernel.
[21:52] <mluser-work> The ubuntu download site sais its for (x86 architecture, Pentium™, Celeron™, Athlon™, Sempron™)
[21:52] <mathiaz> mluser-work: right - try to install the -generic kernel instead. Try with the alternate iso rather then server iso.
[21:52] <ScottK> Yes, but that doesn't mean there aren't pentiums it doesn't work with.
[21:53] <mluser-work> mathiaz: 8.04-1 Desktop edition works just fine, can I use the alternate iso to install a non gui ubuntu server?
[21:53] <ScottK> mluser-work: Or just sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop followed by sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:54] <ScottK> That gets you pretty well to the same place.
[21:55] <mluser-work> ScottK: I already have the Desktop iso, can I use it instead and rmove the ubuntu-desktop from it? Or would it be better to use the alternate iso?
[21:58] <ScottK> It gets you to the same place.
[21:59] <mluser-work> ScottK: Thank you
[22:00] <mluser-work> So basically no server optimizations are done by the server iso, other than not installing all the extra gui stuff?
[22:03] <mathiaz> mluser-work: and installing the -server kernel flavor instead of the -generic kernel
[22:05] <mluser-work> mathiaz: thanks, one last question, would it not be easier to just chroot into my server partition and apt-get install the generic kernel?
[22:05] <ScottK> mluser-work: And in tasksel you get some additional options, but you can do that by hand.
[22:05] <mathiaz> mluser-work: that would probably be easier and faster.
[22:05] <ScottK> mluser-work: If you have a working box, yes.
[22:05] <ScottK> I thought you didn't have a running box.
[22:05] <mluser-work> I already have a ubuntu desktop installed on the same box
[22:06] <mluser-work> ScottK: is there some environment script in ubuntu I need to run once I chroot into the server partition?
[22:09] <mluser-work> ScottK: mathiaz: Thanks a bunch guys for all your help
[22:14] <mluser-work> ScottK: mathiaz: Just so you two know.. it worked like a charm.. thanks again
[22:15] <mathiaz> mluser-work: np :)
[23:09] <rrittenhouse> I installed Ubuntu hardy server 64bit and 32bit on two different machines and when apache2 is installed has two different configurations.. is this right?
[23:12] <mathiaz> rrittenhouse: what's the difference?
[23:14] <rrittenhouse> 64bit uses the envvars whereas the 32bit doesn't
[23:14] <rrittenhouse> the config files are different


[19:47] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: In my testing in a VM, installer crashed on my first try. Can you confirm?
[19:51] <arraybolt3> Will try once it finished downloaded (which could take a while).
[19:51] <arraybolt3> Currently 54% done.
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> Looking at the logs, it looked like a permission denied issue.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> BTW, expect no Ubiquity slideshow. I need to revive the old one yet, but that only needs to be done prior to UIF.
[20:00] <arraybolt3> Got it.
[20:01] <arraybolt3> (btw I managed to make a sort of alternative to that IODD device you mentioned to me the other day, by making a multibooting USB stick with a bunch of Ubuntu ISOs on it. Works great except for the fact that my drive is sloooooow.)
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Ventoy?
[20:02] <arraybolt3> Nope, GRUB2 direct ISO booting.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Oh, cool.
[20:02] <arraybolt3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[20:03] <arraybolt3> So far it successfully booted Lubuntu 22.04.2 and Kubuntu 22.04.1 w/ KFocus Suite.
[20:04] <arraybolt3> Only real problem is that the Plymouth screen doesn't show up during ISO bootup, but oh well.
[20:04] <arraybolt3> 86% downloaded.
[20:04] <arraybolt3> (Well, only real problems are that and the boot speed.)
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so using a VM, Ubiquity is reproducibly broken.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> bug 2008731 filed
[20:09] -ubottu:#edubuntu- Bug 2008731 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity crashed on first test installation of Edubuntu" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008731
[20:10] <arraybolt3> Download finished \o/
[20:10] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Unapproved: cloud-init (bionic-proposed/main) [22.4.2-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 => 23.1-0ubuntu0~18.04.2] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[20:12] <arraybolt3> Flashing for verification on bare metal, and also doing a VM test.
[20:14]  * arraybolt3 plays with the Live Environment since I expect installs to fail
[20:14] <arraybolt3> Install in the background, live-test in the foreground.
[20:16] <arraybolt3> huh? The keyboard doesn't work while the installation is active...
[20:16] <arraybolt3> No keypresses do anything.
[20:16] <arraybolt3> Except in the application menu search bar, which works just fine, strangely.
[20:18] <arraybolt3> Is Ubiquity somehow able to "grab" the keyboard?
[20:18] <arraybolt3> Also, yes, the installer crashes.
[20:20] <arraybolt3> OK so this is really weird. The keyboard works in Firefox, Ubiquity, and the app menu, but does absolutely nothing in the terminal and text editor.
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I didn't have that problem.
[20:21] <arraybolt3> I'm in GNOME Boxes.
[20:21] <arraybolt3> Using the live environment.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> I used Virtualbox. Didn't have a problem in the terminal.
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> BTW, edubuntu is based on ubuntu-desktop-minimal.
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> So, literally no difference in the environment.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> :shrug: well I'll try and reproduce on Ubuntu Desktop too.
[20:24] <arraybolt3> I don't decide the bugs, I just find them :D
[20:26] <arraybolt3> btw this is a really beautiful OS so far, loving it!
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> Thanks!
[21:33] <arraybolt3> OK so I can't reproduce the keyboard weirdness on Ubuntu Desktop so far, but it's not using Ubiquity so that might not be the best test method.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> Also physical hardware didn't seem to reproduce it.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> Hopefully it's just a random GNOME Boxes glitch.
[21:34] <arraybolt3> I was able to reliably reproduce a failure to detect my Broadcom card on baremetal though, is that worth reporting or should I wait for the installer to be otherwise unbroken first?


[12:47] <dandrader> mzanetti, added some other similar fixes to lp:~dandrader/unity8/fixShellTests. I missed them as they didn't cause test failures
[12:48] <tsdgeos> didn't the sdk guys already fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1466228
[12:48] <tsdgeos> :/
[12:50] <tsdgeos> we don't do the screen locking, do we? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1466029
[12:50] <tsdgeos> isn't upower doing that?
[12:51] <seb128> upower for sure not
[12:51] <seb128> powerd maybe
[12:52] <tsdgeos> a that i meant
[12:59] <dandrader> mzanetti, do you get a black screen when you run "make tryOrientedShell" in lp:unity8?
[12:59] <dandrader> tsdgeos, or you ^
[13:00] <dandrader> tsdgeos, and welcome back! how was Alaska?
[13:00] <tsdgeos> dandrader: thanks!
[13:00] <tsdgeos> it was great
[13:00] <tsdgeos> dandrader: define "balck screen"
[13:00] <tsdgeos> i get stuff
[13:00] <tsdgeos> but the inside of the shell is indeed black
[13:00] <dandrader> tsdgeos, a black rect instead of greeter and dash
[13:01] <tsdgeos> yep
[13:01] <tsdgeos> i have the sidebar of buttons
[13:01] <tsdgeos> and the indicators+black rect
[13:01] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok, lastest release must have broken it
[13:02] <dandrader> tsdgeos, and most OrientedShell tests fail naturally :(  "Totals: 2 passed, 26 failed, 0 skipped, 0 blacklisted"
[13:03] <tsdgeos> that's waht we get for disabling tests :D
[13:03] <dandrader> having qmltests disabled in Jenkins is taking its toll
[13:03] <dandrader> yeah
[13:03] <tsdgeos> speaking of tests
[13:04] <tsdgeos> dednick: can i give you https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_indicators_update_state/+merge/260291 ?
[13:04] <dednick> tsdgeos: does it come with a gift receipt?
[13:05] <dandrader> mzanetti, please wait for me to add some more fixes to lp:~dandrader/unity8/fixShellTests before triggering the next landing
[13:05] <tsdgeos> dednick: i had something else in mind :D
[13:05] <tsdgeos> dednick: something like a "thanks"
[13:05] <dednick> tsdgeos: :) ok then!
[13:06] <tsdgeos> dednick: in your review queue now
[13:06] <dednick> tsdgeos: ta
[13:07] <dandrader> tsdgeos, "when the user is actively dragging himself" <- sounds weird. is the user in agony?
[13:07] <tsdgeos> :D
[13:07] <dednick> tsdgeos: any idea about the ap failures? not related but we seem to have regressed.
[13:07] <tsdgeos> dandrader: wording suggestion?
[13:07] <tsdgeos> remove the himself?
[13:08] <tsdgeos> dednick: yaeh i saw that, havne't had a chance to have a look yet, i can try to later today/monday
[13:08] <tsdgeos> still reading/deleting email
[13:08] <dednick> tsdgeos: ok
[13:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, that should do it
[13:08] <dednick> oh right. just back from hols. welcome back! :)
[13:08] <tsdgeos> tx
[13:09] <dandrader> tsdgeos, Friday is a very weird day to return from holidays :)
[13:09] <tsdgeos> dandrader: why? it gives me a soft landing :D work one day and back to not working :D
[13:10] <dandrader> tsdgeos, that's one way to look at it :D
[13:12] <tsdgeos> the other way is "i had no more days" :D
[13:20] <mzanetti> dandrader, too late
[13:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, what? you just made another release?
[13:22] <mzanetti> dandrader, sorry. replied in the other channel :D
[13:23] <mzanetti> (I only read your question in a notification popup and started typing the reply in the closest channel I could find :D)
[13:33] <dednick> greyback_: looks like that video crash was indeed in the android libraries.
[13:33] <greyback_> dednick: good to know. Wasn't looking forward to figuring it out if not!
[13:34] <dednick> indeed!


[04:13] <mup> PR operator#505 opened: WIP Pebble files API client functions <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/505>
[14:06] <mup> Issue operator#506 opened: autodetection of storage incorrect for sidecar charms <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/506>
[14:27] <mup> PR operator#507 opened: Network-get can return empty addresses <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/507>
[22:42] <mup> PR operator#508 opened: Update README.md <Created by pedroleaoc> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/508>


[02:41] <beuno> any editors around?
[02:41] <beuno> I have a story in the queue
[02:44] <Burgundavia> beuno: I can do it
[02:46] <Burgundavia> beuno: what is the url?
[02:47] <beuno> Burgundavia, great, feel free to edit/add anything
[02:47] <beuno> hm, queue seems to be gone
[02:48] <beuno> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1136
[02:57] <Burgundavia> beuno: edited and published
[02:59] <beuno> Burgundavia, thanks!  I'm heading home now, and then probably go to a "it's spring, let's party" type of event
[02:59] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:59] <Burgundavia> except it isnt spring
[02:59] <Burgundavia> it is fall
[02:59] <Burgundavia> :)
[03:00] <beuno> heh, well, you know how we people living upside down are...
[04:35] <Rinchen> Burgundavia, Madpilot popey nixternal Burgundavia jenda - any feedback on the fridge updates?
[04:35] <nixternal> no, I have my mic and speakers set correctly, so I don't get feedback when raiding the fridge
[04:35] <Rinchen> hehe
[04:36] <nixternal> well, it is still broken for Konqueror
[04:36] <Madpilot> No idea. I'm only a Fridge editor because Burgundavia dropped an account on me
[04:36] <nixternal> lol
[04:36] <Rinchen> favouratism ....sheesh
[04:36] <Madpilot> the new layout works in Opera, but I liked the old layout better. Too much whitespace in the new one.
[04:36] <nixternal> actually, the > arrow to the left of Products up top, makes the logo look kind of cool
[04:37] <Madpilot> actually, it's partly broken in Opera. I spoke too soon. The header is kind of scrambled.
[04:37] <Rinchen> you guys send me some screenshots please?
[04:37] <Rinchen><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:38] <Madpilot> and the lefthand bar only starts when the main column ends. :|
[04:38] <Rinchen> NewZ is going to make further theme updates
[04:41] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/1.jpg
[04:41] <Madpilot> Rinchen, http://dev.wirelizard.ca/new_fridge_in_opera.png
[04:41] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/2.jpg
[04:41] <nixternal> my links are the new fridge in konqi
[04:41] <nixternal> and it looks exactly like Opera :)
[04:41] <nixternal> brb, kernel reboot
[04:41] <Madpilot> was going to say - Opera shows pretty much the same errors
[04:42] <Rinchen> will be so kind as to keep those images up for a week or so?
[04:42] <Madpilot> no problem
[04:42] <Rinchen> I'm away next week but I want Newz to poke at them
[04:42] <Rinchen> thanks
[04:42] <Madpilot> it seems to work in Epiph just fine
[04:44] <Rinchen> sweet thanks
[04:45] <Rinchen> You can't believe what a pain in the keester the event repeat module is
[04:45] <Rinchen> very...dubious
[04:45] <Rinchen> I'm not sure we can install it
[04:49] <nixternal> it is very easy
[04:51] <Rinchen> well, that's not exactly the way I meant that :-)
[04:52] <Rinchen> it's not the install that's the issue, it's the code
[04:52] <Rinchen> btw, I'm going to install smartypants
[04:52] <nixternal> what is wrong with the code?
[04:52] <Rinchen> translation - you can use near moin wiki markup to create stories
[04:53] <nixternal> ya, smartypants is pretty cool
[04:53] <Rinchen> we found some issues with it.  newz is going to see if we can work around them.
[04:53] <Rinchen> re: event repeat code
[04:54] <Rinchen> I have some other surprises I'm working on for you guys too
[04:55] <Rinchen> nixternal, http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.09.11/update/#respond
[04:55] <Rinchen> 494
[04:55] <Rinchen> 404
[04:56] <Rinchen> if fact, all of your links are like that
[04:56] <nixternal> go figure
[05:01] <nixternal> ok, it is back
[05:01] <nixternal> stupid wp cache junk
[05:05] <Rinchen> aawww no wpopenid plugin
[05:06] <Rinchen> ok, I need to run away. I just now finished work.  :-(


[00:27] <coolstar> Does anyone know how to embed an application in a browser plugin?
[00:29] <JanC> you might want to have a look at existing browser plugins; e.g. totem, VLC, etc.
[00:29] <JanC> also, there is documentation on the Mozilla site, I'm sure
[08:08] <hacked_kernel> How do I authenticate with Ubuntu One ? can't find useful documentation
[14:52] <JanC> hacked_kernel: https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/account_admin/ ?
[14:55] <JanC> it's basically just HTTP requests really, using OAuth


[00:14] <alexkay> mpt: djsiegel: ping?
[00:46] <alexkay> djsiegel1: ping?
[00:47] <djsiegel1> hey alexkay
[00:47] <djsiegel1> what's up?
[00:48] <alexkay> hey! lamalex said that you could help, at banshee we have a design problem...
[00:48] <alexkay> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559013
[00:50] <alexkay> we are not sure the last patch is the best way to handle it.... you can see the screen-shot in comment #6
[00:50] <SiDi> alexkay: i'd be prone to reduce this to a simple "import music" thatd open a FolderChooserDialog
[00:51] <djsiegel1> alexkay: I don't see any screenshots
[00:51] <alexkay> SiDi: it's not only from folders... we have importers from other media players (amarok, rhymebox, itunes)
[00:51] <alexkay> djsiegel1: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=136541
[00:51] <SiDi> alexkay: that wasnt in 1.4.3, right ?
[00:52] <alexkay> SiDi: no, it's recent
[00:52] <SiDi> okey
[00:52] <SiDi> cause 1.4.3 offers to import home/any folder/any files/"videos from your photo folder"
[00:52] <alexkay> some stuff only exists in the form of patches
[00:52] <SiDi> Which can easily be turned into one single thing :)
[00:53] <alexkay> SiDi: the idea is that we have many importers, each of them with their unique import options
[00:53] <alexkay> the last patch adds the list of options under the comobobox listing the importers
[00:53] <djsiegel1> alexkay: first of all, you guys repeat the window title bar in the window
[00:54] <djsiegel1> I would change the text to "Choose an import source and click 'Import'"
[00:54] <djsiegel1> and change the button to "Import"
[00:54] <djsiegel1> you are calling them "import sources" and "media sources"
[00:55] <djsiegel1> Maybe "Choose a source to import from:" and the import button could say "Next" ?
[00:56] <djsiegel1> alexkay: I am a bit confused because I don't see how the import feature works with the other sources
[00:56] <djsiegel1> I think you might be best splitting these out
[00:56] <djsiegel1> have File > Import Media from Folder
[00:56] <djsiegel1> that goes directly to a GtkFileChooser
[00:57] <djsiegel1> then have another entry in the File menu, File > Import from... > { Amarok, Mass Storage Device, Network } whatever
[00:57] <djsiegel1> you could get rid of this dialog entirely
[00:57] <alexkay> djsiegel1: the problem is the the folder importer will get options as well, so a simple file chooser won't work
[00:57] <djsiegel1> the folder importer will get options?
[00:57] <djsiegel1> present the options after the person chooses the files/folders to import
[00:58] <alexkay> we have a pending patch to import ratings, playcounts etc... these will be options during import
[00:58] <djsiegel1> 99% of the time, users are going to import files/folders
[00:58] <djsiegel1> it might be nice to have a dedicated menu item, Import Media from Folder, that does not present the user with the other importers
[00:59] <djsiegel1> you could let the user pick the folder, then present the options
[00:59] <djsiegel1> 1. File > Import Media from Folder
[00:59] <djsiegel1> 2. GtkFileChooser to pick folder(s)
[00:59] <djsiegel1> 3. Import confirmation dialog with options
[01:00] <SiDi> imo you could hold this all in "import media from folder" and "import from other players"
[01:00] <SiDi> and you put your fancy stuff with the dialog in the second option
[01:00] <SiDi> because what you have right now is a bit of overkill when one just wants to import his music folder
[01:00] <djsiegel1> right
[01:00] <djsiegel1> confirmation dialog could show the folder path that is going to be imported from, the number/size of the files, and there you could have your options (ignore duplicates, import ratings), and  cancel and Import buttons
[01:01] <djsiegel1> would be a lot simpler for users who just want to find a folder and import their files
[01:01] <alexkay> we also allow to import individual files, should it be a separate menu item as well?
[01:01] <djsiegel1> alexkay: no, users don't make that distinction
[01:02] <SiDi> but its hard to make a file/folder chooser dialog, djsiegel1
[01:02] <djsiegel1> files and folders are "my music stuff"
[01:02] <alexkay> but the GtkFileChooser works either on files or on folders
[01:02] <SiDi> though i dont see the use of file importing, alexkay
[01:02] <djsiegel1> yes, it does
[01:02] <djsiegel1> some people want to import the mp3 they just downloaded to their desktop
[01:02] <SiDi> and how long will the files stay on the desktop ?
[01:03] <djsiegel1> that's not our problem
[01:03] <djsiegel1> for most users, indefinitely :)
[01:03] <djsiegel1> I mean, it is our problem, but it's not the problem we are solving now
[01:03] <djsiegel1> people do import individual song files
[01:03] <djsiegel1> and, people are importing media
[01:03] <djsiegel1> they might import that 2gb HD file they just got off a torrent
[01:04] <alexkay> exactly
[01:05] <alexkay> so, how would it look like then? two menu items for files/folders is bad... and the file chooser cannot select files and folders at the same time
[01:05] <djsiegel1> are you sure?
[01:05] <djsiegel1> alexkay: I think it can
[01:05] <alexkay> to be honest, no :)
[01:05] <djsiegel1> I am pretty sure it can
[01:06] <djsiegel1> I am not certain though
[01:06] <SiDi> it can with gtk tweaking
[01:06] <SiDi> but it wouldnt be extra at all
[01:06] <djsiegel1> I am pretty sure GtkFilechooser just picks a set of paths
[01:06] <djsiegel1> you can set options telling it which paths to filter out by extension
[01:06] <SiDi> on file chosing dialogs, using the open button when selecting a folder opens it in the chooser, while it'll chose it and end the dialog in a folder chooser
[01:06] <djsiegel1> ewww
[01:08] <alexkay> just checked, the dialog takes the action parameter, which is either 'open' or 'select folder'
[01:08] <alexkay> so, it cannot do both
[01:11] <alexkay> djsiegel1: as for the other importers, do you suggest a sub menu item for each of them, e.g. iTunes, amarok, rhythbox, etc?
[01:11] <alexkay> opening a dialog with options specific to the importer?
[01:12] <SiDi> mrooney: you can use the translators comments, too ;)
[01:12] <djsiegel1> alexkay: yes
[01:12] <djsiegel1> alexkay: I suggest that
[01:14] <SiDi> mrooney: refferring to the old bug report you commented a few mins ago
[01:14] <alexkay> ok guys, thanks for your suggestions!
[01:14] <mrooney> SiDi: I never figured out how to get those into Rosetta :[
[01:14] <SiDi> mrooney: 2 hours ago actually haha :D
[01:14] <SiDi> mrooney: just add a #comment the line just above the string
[01:14] <mrooney> But I think you have to pass xgettext some command when generating the templates
[12:03]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[14:21] <MDC2> hi! any suggestion of stock icon to use instead of gtk-dialog-warning inside the entry as in this screenshot http://www.mejlamej.nu/n-w.png
[14:21] <MDC2> the icon will be displayed when the path is local and does not exists
[14:22] <MDC2> http://www.mejlamej.nu/nautilus-entry.png - an example using the stop icon..
[14:24] <beuno> MDC2, you could make the font red
[14:25] <MDC2> beuno, hmm, yeah... I'll discuss this with david s (his idea actually)
[14:37] <SiDi> MDC2: http://imagebin.ca/img/3QXJrHkG.png
[14:38] <SiDi> i dont know if it works for everyone but in europe this symbol is used to say a path/road is forbidden
[14:38] <SiDi> so its quite explicit that you *cant go there*, for europeans at least, with this icon
[14:40] <beuno> yeah, I think that icon is used in other places as well
[14:40] <beuno> MDC2, if you want to be super awesome
[14:40] <beuno> you could highlight which part of the path is wrong
[14:41] <beuno> all of it, or the last part, etc
[14:41] <SiDi> beuno: it looks logical to me that its somewhere in the end ;)
[14:45] <mac_v> MDC2: this is for the pop-up location?
[14:45] <mac_v> location bar
[14:47] <mac_v> MDC2: gtk-dialog-error is more logical i suppose
[14:47] <mac_v> or event status/error icon ,
[15:00] <mac_v> MacSlow: hi... the notification icons in karmic , are now more pixelated , does it have to be changed in notify-osd or in the theme?
[15:01] <MacSlow> mac_v, they should not
[15:01] <MacSlow> and without a screenshot it's hard to say
[15:01] <mac_v> MacSlow: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png
[15:01] <MacSlow> much depends on the set theme
[15:01] <mac_v> MacSlow: kwwii insists its a notify-osd bug
[15:02] <MacSlow> what's wrong with that screenshot... it's super-crips
[15:02] <MacSlow> crisp
[15:02] <mac_v> the volume icon  bars are pixelated... wait i'll show the wireless
[15:04] <MDC2> mac_v, yes this is the popup
[15:05] <MDC2> mac_v, but the icon is supposed to be inside the entry, not in the dialog..
[15:06] <mac_v> MDC2: the "error" icon is for errors
[15:06] <MDC2> beuno, djsiegel didn't like rred font color...
[15:07] <MDC2> mac_v, yep, any suggestion of another icon to use?
[15:07] <mac_v> MacSlow: kwwii http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png note the bars they merge
[15:07] <djsiegel> MDC2: what about a label under the entry, invisible unless path is invalid, then it could say "Location does not exist"
[15:07] <mac_v> MDC2: you can use the "error" that is the icon label
[15:08] <mac_v> MacSlow: kwwii the bars where smoother in Jaunty
[15:08] <MacSlow> mac_v, ehm... a side-by-side would have been better
[15:08] <mac_v> ah :( now i have to boot into jaunty :(
[15:09] <MacSlow> mac_v, side-by-side (wireless + volume) for current notify-osd in karmic, same for jaunty
[15:09] <MDC2> mav_c, djsiegel, so not use an icon at all?
[15:09] <MacSlow> mac_v, that's the best way to see any differences in relation to each different version
[15:10] <MDC2> SiDi, what stock icon is it on the screenshot? gtk-stop?
[15:10] <mac_v> wait i think i have backups
[15:10] <mac_v> MDC2: that is the error icon ;p
[15:10] <mac_v> in SiDi's
[15:10]  * SiDi doesnt know
[15:10] <djsiegel> MDC2: I still like using the icon
[15:11] <djsiegel> DanRabbit: ping
[15:11] <MDC2> mac_v, isnt gtk-error part of standarrd stock? http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html
[15:12] <MDC2> djsiegel, how about this: use a folder icon if it's found, network folder for remote folders, and folder with ? if unknown?
[15:13] <djsiegel> eh
[15:13] <mac_v> MDC2: it is a standard but it is not in gnome icons or human.... check this one out /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/status/error.svg ,
[15:13] <djsiegel> can I type a file there?
[15:14] <mac_v> MacSlow: kwwii  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png
[15:14] <mac_v> volume icon...
[15:16] <MacSlow> mac_v, the new look is much more precise and crisper... thus not a regression at all compared to jaunty
[15:16] <MacSlow> mac_v, it's all still cairo and svg in case you wonder
[15:16] <mac_v> MacSlow: you are right , the icons need adjustment , but kwwii feels its a notify-osd bug
[15:17] <MacSlow> mac_v, I don't think there's anything wrong with either the icons or notify-osd
[15:18] <MacSlow> odd that kwwii thinks icons are off in jaunty
[15:18] <mac_v> its just me then ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-1.png dont the bars looks fudged?
[15:18] <mac_v> wireless^
[15:19] <MacSlow> mac_v, the top version (karmic) is certainly nicer to look at than the bottom one
[15:19] <mac_v> note the first bar
[15:19] <mac_v> i like it , but its *not* pixel aligned well, IMO
[15:20] <MacSlow> mac_v, that's impossible with the way the designers want notify-osd to render stuff
[15:20] <MDC2> djsiegel, I don't think we can type a file, wich is kinda sad, it would be nice..
[15:20] <MacSlow> mac_v, there's nothing kwwii could do about it
[15:20] <mac_v> ah... well.. ;p
[15:21] <MDC2> djsiegel, shall we go with the error icon as mac_v suggested?
[15:21] <MacSlow> notify-osd is designed and written in a way to be resolution in dependent... trying to inject certain pixel-alinged icons asks for more complexity and trouble than it's worth it
[15:22] <mac_v> MacSlow: i understand that its not a notify-osd issue , i first talked to kwwii , he said it was your bug, hence discussed with you... i feel the icons need a bit of adjustment
[15:23] <MacSlow> mac_v, everybody has different screen-DPI, font-sizes set
[15:23] <MacSlow> mac_v, one can't anticipate this in a general fashion for icon-design
[15:24]  * MacSlow hopes the days of "pixel-counting" are over
[15:24] <mac_v> hehe... me too. :)
[15:26] <mac_v> kwwii: your thoughts? have you noticed any difference in these new screenshots? or are these fine as is?
[15:26] <djsiegel> MDC2: sounds reasonable, see what upstream thinks of the screenshot
[15:26] <djsiegel> MDC2: if you could use a nice theme on your desktop, it would be more convincing upstream
[15:26] <djsiegel> MDC2: you have an incredibly ugly desktop
[15:26] <djsiegel> all boxy
[15:26] <djsiegel> try Murrina Candido
[15:27] <mac_v> MDC2: still facing gnome-settings-daemon crashes ?
[15:30] <kwwii> hrm, the icons are at a fixed size, so they should always be sharp at that size
[15:30] <kwwii> MacSlow: are the icons being scaled? that would not be the best idea, really
[15:30] <MDC2> djsiegel, mac_v; its not my normal desktop - i could not stand such a ugly desktop. But the problem is when i use NX - the daemon crashes directly upon start
[15:30] <MDC2> haven't got time to look in that..
[15:31] <mac_v> kwwii: the icons are pixelated with sans 10 settings too
[15:31] <MDC2> djsiegel, i'll provide better screenshots for upstream (once I got a deb package i can install to one of my virtual machines)
[15:32] <MacSlow> kwwii, if course they are... they need to because of the in-bubble size-calculations done in EMs
[15:32] <djsiegel> MDC2: ah, it looked like something had crashed
[15:32] <MacSlow> kwwii, this is a fundamental design-feature of notify-osd (the specs of it and its implementation)
[15:32] <MDC2> djsiegel, i also manage to fix the signal problem by setting _after to the signal inside eel. So if I enter an incorrect remote path i'll get back to the open location dialog with the same path
[15:33] <djsiegel> MDC2: awesome
[15:33] <MacSlow> kwwii, if you see a problem with that... take the fight to mat_t and mpt :)
[15:33] <MDC2> its not optimal as its an extra popup, but its better than before, i'll see what upstream has to say once I polished the patch
[15:34] <kwwii> MacSlow: wow, that totally breaks the icon theme idea though
[15:35] <MacSlow> kwwii, did you never see -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Inside%20the%20bubble
[15:35] <MacSlow> kwwii, that's been in place since jaunty
[15:35] <mat_t> kwwii: bubble size is variable, so they have to scale
[15:35] <mac_v> mat_t: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-1.png http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png
[15:35] <kwwii> MacSlow: well, it hasn't been my job to work on that, other than to make the icons...and at the time I was told to make them at 48x48 pixels
[15:36] <kwwii> I honestly didn't look into the specifics of that page
[15:36] <mat_t> kwwii: there's a massive difference in quality though between the svg preview in the system, and notify-osd rendering
[15:36] <MacSlow> kwwii, I don't really see any issue with them on any of my machines really
[15:37] <MacSlow> kwwii, mat_t: I'd say true resulution indepence comes at a cost... and for my (picky) eyes it more than acceptable
[15:37] <MacSlow> hm... I had better times at spelling english
[15:37] <kwwii> I hadn't noticed any problems on my machines, but mac_v brought it up ;)
[15:38] <mat_t> MacSlow: yes, it is acceptable
[15:38] <mac_v> mat_t: note the icons are not sharp, they need a bit of adjustment for karmic
[15:38] <MacSlow> kwwii, from mac_v screenshots I honestly don't see any issues... just what I expect (and also see on my machines... netbook, laptop, desktop)
[15:39] <mat_t> MacSlow: yes, mac_v's icons seem sharp
[15:39] <mac_v> MacSlow: the curved bars being pixelated is normal , but the straight bars *should not* have pixelation ,
[15:40] <mac_v> the *icons* need a bit of a of pixel tweak
[15:40]  * MacSlow always welcomes solid patches (with proper and complete unit-tests)
[15:40] <mat_t> mac_v: try previewing the same svg in the system preview, is there any difference?
[15:41] <mat_t> mac_v: since they're scalable, there is no way of pixel-tweaking really. It's always going to be better at some sizes and worse at others
[15:41] <MDC2> djsiegel, btw, should the icon appear in all location entries or just the popup?
[15:42] <djsiegel> what other location entries, for example?
[15:42] <MDC2> the standard in-window bar
[15:42] <MDC2> in the toolbar
[15:43] <MDC2> the thing is this is a custom widget inside nautilus and it could be nice to have the same look and feel for the same control all over nautilus
[15:43] <mac_v> mat_t: the problem arises for the wireless icons since they are not perfect rectangles , the have curved edges , this problem can be avoided if the bars had straight angles
[15:44] <mac_v> and its tough to notice the difference in system preview , because of the transparency the have surrounding he icons
[15:45] <mac_v> they*
[15:45] <mat_t> mac_v: try putting them on grey background in inkscape
[15:45] <mac_v> hehe... just did that...
[15:46] <mac_v> mat_t: yup same problem , as the bubbles
[15:46] <djsiegel> brb
[15:47] <mac_v> mat_t: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-notification-network-wireless-full.svg%20-%20Inkscape.png
[15:48] <mat_t> mac_v: yeah, that's probably as good as it gets at that size
[15:48] <mac_v> mat_t: could we use the bars as having straight angles?
[15:49] <mac_v> this spoils the look of the bubbles
[15:49] <mat_t> mac_v: not really... that would make them lose the uniqueness
[15:49] <mac_v> arghhh... ;p
[15:50] <mat_t> :)
[15:51] <SiDi> mat_t: hello ! is there a reason why notify-osd doesnt ship all the notification-* icons at the moment ?
[15:51] <mat_t> SiDi: no idea!
[15:51] <mat_t> kwwii: MacSlow: ^
[15:52] <SiDi> MacSlow said "see this with the design team"
[15:52] <SiDi> it lacks some audio icons, the new battery icons, and, i think, a lot of the extra wireless icons
[15:52] <mat_t> well, then... kwwii?
[15:52] <mat_t> yes I have noticed that, too
[15:53] <mat_t> I think it's because the new packages are not patched to call the right icon
[15:53] <kwwii> SiDi: you mean the new icons you sent me?
[15:53] <mac_v> SiDi: which location? human/ or elsewhere
[15:53] <kwwii> erm, was that you that sent them to me?
[15:54] <SiDi> kwwii: these and many others
[15:54] <mac_v> lol
[15:54] <SiDi> since jaunty they have been lacking
[15:54] <mat_t> kwwii: are you not running Karmic?
[15:54] <SiDi> when i tested humanity, audio notifications were gone because there were no volume icons ;)
[15:55] <SiDi> notify-osd should ship each notification-* icon in the package as backup
[15:55] <SiDi> at the moment we relay on human being there :/
[15:55] <kwwii> SiDi: I am just updating the human theme today
[15:55] <kwwii> SiDi: also, a bug needs to be made to get the new names into code
[15:55] <SiDi> aw
[15:55] <kwwii> SiDi: ahhh, you are now talking about the icons in the package itself
[15:55] <SiDi> there is one somewhere already :P
[15:56] <kwwii> SiDi: anyone is free to work on those
[15:56] <SiDi> kwwii: im talking about these since the beginning xD
[15:56] <kwwii> SiDi: hrm? are you talking about the human icons or the ones in the package itself?
[15:56] <kwwii> ie the plain gnome icons?
[15:57]  * SiDi means : the notify-osd package doesn't have the whole scope of notification-* icons in use by apps
[15:57] <SiDi> Which results in lacking icons when not using Human
[15:57] <mat_t> kwwii: yes, there's just no icons at all in most bubbles
[15:57] <SiDi> Sorry, i'm not very clear
[15:58] <mat_t> kwwii: in some, not most
[15:58] <SiDi> http://pastebin.com/m3c64d212 kwwii
[15:58] <mac_v> in Karmic the notify-osd/ has only gnome icons! :?
[15:59] <SiDi> http://pastebin.com/mcf6c15c
[15:59] <kwwii> SiDi: the ones in the package are free for anyone to work on
[15:59] <SiDi> and yeh, it has some damn tango-ish icons instead of the sexy Human ones :p
[16:00] <kwwii> if the human icons are not being shown, that is another problem
[16:00] <SiDi> kwwii: okies
[16:00] <mac_v> SiDi: those are gnome icons
[16:00] <kwwii> SiDi: right, the ones in the package itself are supposed to be gnome icons
[16:00] <kwwii> whereas the ones in the human set are the nice ones ;)
[16:00] <SiDi> okey :P
[16:00] <SiDi> it means i have to make a PACKAGE with separate human notification icons >_>
[16:00] <SiDi> for my own use * :P
[16:01] <mac_v> i think the problem with humanity is because it doesnt have Human as the fallback ,  but rather gnome as the fallback
[16:01] <SiDi> ok, as for the notify-osd ones, when you say free to work on, you mean free to package existing gnome icons or free to design these missing icons ? :/
[16:01] <mac_v> DanRabbit: ^ is it so?
[16:03] <djsiegel1> mat_t, beuno, our clock applet shows the weekday and date in its tooltip, and of course on click -- can we remove the day and date from the panel and just show the time?
[16:09] <beuno> djsiegel1, for some reason, I feel safer seing the date
[16:09] <beuno> has the tooltip been fixed in karmic?
[16:09] <beuno> in jaunty the tooltip is bogus
[16:09] <djsiegel1> "fixed"?
[16:09] <djsiegel1> seems fine to me in karmic
[16:09] <djsiegel1> keep in mind you will probably feel "unsafe" whenever an interface fixture is removed
[16:10] <beuno> in jaunty it says "Click to view your appointments and tasks"
[16:10] <djsiegel1> in Karmic is says the date
[16:10] <beuno> great
[16:10] <beuno> I'm trying to think how I'd feel
[16:10] <beuno> I guess I only need to know the date once a day
[16:10] <beuno> :)
[16:11] <djsiegel1> yeah, it might be nice to have weather and time because they change during the day
[16:11] <beuno> agreed
[16:14] <mat_t> djsiegel1: is date and weather the default now?
[16:14] <mat_t> djsiegel1: I was under the impression they are opt-in
[16:14] <djsiegel1> yes, but weather only shows if you set your location
[16:14] <djsiegel1> default is
[16:14] <mat_t> right - which kinda makes sense
[16:14] <djsiegel1> Wed Jul 29, 10:14 AM
[16:14] <mat_t> ah
[16:14] <djsiegel1> I think we should go to 10:14 AM
[16:14] <djsiegel1> date is shown on hover and click
[16:15] <mat_t> I'd go for Wed 10:40 AM
[16:15] <mat_t> although I wouldn't just make that call like that
[16:15] <djsiegel1> hmm, that might be more work
[16:15] <djsiegel1> how do we get this discussion moving somewhere?
[16:16] <djsiegel1> would be a nice change for karmic
[16:16] <djsiegel1> we have a really nice panel going
[16:16] <beuno> djsiegel1, file a bug?  :)
[16:16] <mat_t> djsiegel1: papercut?
[16:16] <djsiegel1> but who makes a decision like this? design team?
[16:17] <djsiegel1> I have a feeling everyone will overrule everyone else
[16:17] <djsiegel1> "ubuntu-devs say date is useful for ubuntu members"
[16:17] <djsiegel1> something like that
[16:17] <mat_t> well, I'm sure date *is* useful for many people
[16:18] <djsiegel1> "how can I encrypt my files if I can't seed my random number generator with the date? I use a tiling window manager to I can't mouse over to the date applet"
[16:18] <mat_t> question is, how many
[16:18] <djsiegel1> I am sure it's useful for all
[16:18] <djsiegel1> but does it belong in the panel?
[16:18] <djsiegel1> when it's available in a toolip and on click
[16:18] <beuno> it has to be an argument for un-cluttering the UI
[16:18] <mat_t> yeah, I'd keep the panel simple, too
[16:18] <djsiegel1> ok, will papercut it
[16:25] <mac_v> djsiegel1: if you just keep the default as *time only* and , the users can choose if they want to add the date/weather , then there wont be a problem , its only if the date feature is removed as a whole there might be a problem
[16:34] <djsiegel1> mac_v mat_t beuno https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/406438
[16:35] <beuno> djsiegel1, great
[16:36] <beuno> maybe "also affects: the clock applet"
[16:36] <beuno> don't know what package that is in
[16:40] <djsiegel1> would be good to show the day and date at GDM
[16:40] <djsiegel1> so you can see it before you log in
[16:40] <djsiegel1> but you should not have to look at it all day
[16:43] <ScottK> djsiegel1: Don't assume people log in every day.
[16:43] <djsiegel1> right
[16:50] <beuno> I don't
[19:59] <MDC2> is this a good place to ask gui related issues?
[21:19] <MDC2> http://www.mejlamej.nu/greyminimized.png - the minimized windows is grey instead of black and inside brackets. Comments?
[21:30] <mac_v> MDC2: nice visual hint , but doing it the other way around is better i suppose...
[21:30] <mac_v> ah... scratch that...
[21:31] <MDC2> mac_v, :-)
[21:31] <MDC2> mac_v, better than brackets?
[21:31] <mac_v> MDC2: I like the ideal you are going for, but greying it out doesnt seems right
[21:32] <mac_v> seem*
[21:33] <MDC2> mac_v, atm the icon is greyed out, I thought it could be good if the text look the same.. have any other idea?
[21:33] <mac_v> WHy not bold/italicize the window list for minimized ones , and use regular font for the open windows?
[21:34] <MDC2> from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91655 - they don't won't italic because it's hard to read..
[21:34] <mac_v> greying it out makes it harder to read, and different themes use different panel shades , so grey is not optimal
[21:34] <MDC2> I'm not sure how to visualize minimized/rolled up/maxmimzed..
[21:35] <MDC2> yep, but brackets isn't good either..
[21:36] <mac_v> yup ...... i'm going through the bugzilla link to see if there are any better ideas
[21:36] <MDC2> :-)
[21:42] <mac_v> MDC2: can the minimized windows buttons be done differently? thicker border ?
[21:42] <mac_v> or something of the sort?
[21:43] <MDC2> mac_v, i'll check the code if its an easy change
[21:44] <MDC2> mac_v, seems I can use any of these styles; http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Standard-Enumerations.html#GtkReliefStyle
[21:45] <MDC2> so, no :-)
[21:45] <MDC2> mac_v, or maybe just do them flat?
[21:46] <mac_v> hehe ... just what i was typing ;p
[21:46] <MDC2> rolled up?
[21:47] <mac_v> MDC2: make them flat with a border, should give the hint , rolled up is the same as minimized , the window get unmapped
[21:48] <MDC2> I'll hack something up..
[21:48] <mac_v> great...
[21:48] <mac_v> MDC2: have the upstream devs accepted the toolbar editor?
[21:49] <MDC2> could be a problem later;
[21:49] <MDC2>  * Sets the relief type of the buttons in @tasklist to @relief. The main use of
[21:49] <MDC2>  * this function is proper integration of #WnckTasklist in panels with
[21:49] <MDC2>  * non-system backgrounds.
[21:50] <MDC2> mac_v, I'm still "working" on the toolbar editor - but I'm sucky at both c and gtk so things go slowly. I've got problem with the signals. Other than that I can move the buttons/widgets around and creating toolbars. Need to save some stuff to gconf and edit some popup menus and then send it in...
[21:51] <mac_v> nice...
[21:52] <MDC2> wanna help? :-)
[21:53] <mac_v> what else remains? maybe i could give it a shot...
[21:54] <MDC2> well, first of all I'm not sure I've done things correctly. I've removed the singleton widgets (location, search bar, navigation bar) and creates them inside there resp action instead - is that the right approch?
[21:55] <MDC2> you could also help with setting up a git repo so more people can look at it :-)
[21:55] <mac_v> repo stuff I'm not familiar with...
[21:56] <MDC2> want a diff?
[21:56] <MDC2> :-)
[21:57] <mac_v> have you discussed with upstream the way you have done? removing the widgets?
[21:57] <MDC2> seems like everyone's at vacation or something - they are hard to get in touch with...
[21:58] <MDC2> so I thought I complete it this path and change it when I get feedback
[22:05]  * mac_v hopes upstream accepts what MDC2 has done
[22:05] <MDC2> haha, they definitly wont - but I can change the code :)
[22:06] <MDC2> compiling flat minimized windows now.. will be interesting..
[22:07] <MDC2> hmm.. well.. flat is .. flat. It really needs a border as you said.. :-)
[22:10] <MDC2> mac_v, just flat with no border looks like this : http://www.mejlamej.nu/flat2.png
[22:10] <mac_v> hehe... needs a border
[22:16] <MDC2> is there an easier way to set a border then to put it in a black container and set a border width to 1px?
[22:17] <MDC2> mac_v, it probably wont have rounded border then....
[22:18] <MDC2> i'll see what upstream says. I'll have to do some nautilus (non-toolbar) hacking. If you'd like you could use my screenshot and do some mockup of a thin border..
[23:21] <Cube> hey


[06:57] <guiverc> I'm having trouble with launchpad; temporary I hope?
[07:25]  * guiverc reports launchpad respoinding again


[22:31] <ahoneybun> hello all
[22:33] <ahoneybun> are you on pleia2 ?
[23:28] <pleia2> ahoneybun: am now :)
[23:54] <ahoneybun> pleia2: thanks for the Newsletter I'm grabing the code for the docs
[23:54] <pleia2> :)
[23:54] <pleia2> let me know if you have any questions, I can try to help
[23:54] <pleia2> (others in here can too)
[23:55] <ahoneybun> pleia2: yep will do I'll look for typos and what not
[23:55] <pleia2> thansk!
[23:55] <pleia2> thanks too
[23:55] <ahoneybun> I'm set up on lp and ssh so I can upload changes for review


[06:32] <zyga> good morning
[07:16] <mborzecki> morning
[07:59] <zyga> hello
[08:07] <mvo> hey zyga ! good morning
[08:08] <zyga> mvo, hey
[08:08] <zyga> mvo, I collected my three git trees for ian
[08:11] <pstolowski> morning
[08:11] <zyga> hey pstolowski
[08:14] <mvo> zyga: remind me what these trees are?
[08:15] <mvo> pstolowski: good morning!
[08:17] <zyga> mvo, he asked me about copies of my snapd tree
[08:17] <zyga> mvo, to pick up things I abandoned
[08:17] <zyga> mvo, I have three tarballs of my workstations
[08:17] <zyga> (of snapd.git that is)
[08:26] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[08:28] <mvo> good morning mborzecki ! how are you?
[08:30] <mborzecki> mvo: bit disappointed it's not friday again ;)
[08:33] <mvo> mborzecki: hahaha
[08:33] <mvo> mborzecki: we have snow here, it's great
[09:10] <zyga> mvo, zmk is in Debian and Ubuntu now, I have an update going out this week that adds a lot of static analysis support
[09:17] <mvo> zyga: nice
[09:25] <zyga> mvo, I would like to do an experiment and build snap-confine with zmk, to see what shows up
[09:26] <zyga> there are bits missing though, I did not finish the compile-time probing support, that would allow us to get conditional apparmor/selinux support, for example
[09:26] <zyga> mvo, I have a few more packages but I will sponsor them through the debian python team
[09:27] <zyga> mvo, as for qemu, I think I will ask you to sponsor but depenencies should go through the go team
[09:27] <zyga> mvo, er, not qemu, spread :)
[09:40] <mvo> zyga: yeah, spread should be in the team maintained repo
[10:10] <mup> PR snapd#9859 opened: overlord: addd manager gadget refresh test <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9859>
[10:10] <zyga> mvo, but should it be the generic go team or the specifc people that effectively use and participate in spread development?
[10:26] <mvo> zyga: I would just use the generic go team repo at least for now
[10:26] <mvo> zyga: until there is a real community around it that drive things
[12:33] <ijohnson> morning folks
[12:33] <mvo> ijohnson: good morning! hope you had a nice weekend
[12:34] <ijohnson> yes I did, it snowed a bit here and things look white again instead of the gray mush it was before :-)
[12:34] <mborzecki> ijohnson: hey
[12:34] <ijohnson> hey mborzecki
[12:45] <zyga> ijohnson, hey
[12:45] <ijohnson> hey zyga
[12:45] <ijohnson> zyga: did you get all your fosdem prep done?
[12:47] <zyga> ijohnson, yes, all done now
[12:47] <ijohnson> nice
[12:48] <zyga> ijohnson, I've collected my three snapd trees
[12:48] <zyga> ijohnson, I'll share the link via a private message
[12:48] <ijohnson> awesome, thank you!
[12:48] <zyga> have a look
[12:48] <zyga> it's rather messy but that's what I managed to find on my three mainly used environments
[12:48] <zyga> (blame me for myriad of VMs and systems)
[12:53] <ogra> hrm
[12:54] <ogra> ijohnson, remember the snap-exec denial i saw with teh confogure hook on pi ? ... i removed the configure hook ... but i still get:
[12:54] <ogra> apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="capable" info="optional: no audit" error=-1 profile="snap.kodi-pi-standalone.hook.configure" pid=13237 comm="snap-exec" capability=12  capname="net_admin"
[12:54] <ijohnson> ogra: did you ever file a bug for that like I asked :-)
[12:54] <ogra> which is really confising ...
[12:54] <ogra> *confusing
[12:55] <ogra> ijohnson, not yet ... since i wanted to llok into it a bit deeper first ... the snap is a multi snap, armhf binaries but run on arm64, so i was assuming this might have something to do with it that i wanted to research first
[12:56] <ijohnson> well sure, just saying that I didn't look into it anymore and planned on looking into it when you filed a bug
[12:56] <ogra> but now i moved the config code to a oneshot daemon ... so there is no cionfigure hook since a few revisions now
[12:56] <ogra> yet snapd still seems to execute something here ...
[13:03] <ijohnson> cachio: hey could you take a look at tests/lib/tools/suite/tests.pkgs when you get a chance? it seems to be failing on centos-8 consistently i.e. https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9852/checks?check_run_id=1751095796
[13:03] <mup> PR #9852: gadget: enable multi-volume uc20 gadgets in  LaidOutVolumeFromGadget; rename too <Bug> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9852>
[13:05] <cachio> ijohnson, hi, sure
[13:08] <ijohnson> thanks cachio
[13:09]  * ijohnson afk a bit
[13:13]  * pstolowski lunch
[13:39] <zyga> cachio, hey, I sent a review for the test log scanner
[13:40] <cachio> zyga, yes, thanks
[13:41] <cachio> I'll take a look today
[13:51] <mup> PR snapd#9860 opened: tests: update test pkg for fedora and centos <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9860>
[14:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#3428 opened: pip 21 dropped support for python 3.5 and python 2 <Created by philroche> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3428>
[15:26] <StyXman_> ok, no answer, so I'll just ask. with snap changes [snap] I can see the _last_ time a snap was changed. can I see *all* the times the snap whas changed?
[15:26] <mup> PR snapd#9860 closed: tests: update test pkg for fedora and centos <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9860>
[15:27] <ogra> snap changes do generally only go back 72h ...
[15:27] <ogra> (its a ringbuffer ... kind of)
[15:27] <ijohnson> StyXman_: unfortunately snapd will garbage collect old tasks/changes from the the state so no there is not a way to see all times that a snap was changed like that
[15:28] <ogra> as a packager you can see all revisions ever done in the store UI though ... but that does indeed not help you as a user
[15:30] <StyXman_> so everytime a (few) new versions introduce a bug I should figure out myself which version did it? this is for software that I don't use daily... of course, I should find a version that works for me a folow that, right?
[15:54] <ijohnson> mborzecki: hey have you seen mounting snaps returning "Operation not permitted" on arch lately? I am trying to reproduce another spread failure on arch and ran into this where I can't mount any squashfs due to EPERM
[15:55] <ijohnson> interestingly, it seems like there are no available loop devices:
[15:55] <ijohnson> ```
[15:55] <ijohnson> $ losetup -f
[15:55] <ijohnson> losetup: cannot find an unused loop device: No such device
[15:55] <ijohnson> ```
[16:19] <zyga> ijohnson, I think there is a limit to the number of loop devices
[16:20] <zyga> we increased it to something higher but it's not arbitrarily high
[16:20] <ijohnson> hmm, but on that system I don't think there was any loop devices
[16:20] <ogra> the kernel has 256 by default nowadays IIRC
[16:20] <ogra> but can dynamically assign more ...
[16:20] <zyga> ogra, 256 snaps should be enough for ... wait all the revisions...
[16:20] <zyga> yeah
[16:21] <ogra> (i tink the limit is sizeof_int)
[16:21]  * ijohnson has 313 snap files and no problem on his desktop
[16:21] <ogra> right
[16:21] <ogra> the pre-created loop devices are mainly for speeding up boot on UC
[16:21] <ogra> because creating the devices takes a split second or so ... which sums up
[16:22] <zyga> ogra, I'm proud of myself, managed to run zephyr tests through bitbake today
[16:22] <ogra> haha ... the wonderful world of microcontollers
[16:22] <ogra> there is a pi for that now !
[16:23] <ogra> (though sadly without networking/bt by default)
[16:25] <zyga> ogra, I know, I bought a handful of those
[16:25] <ogra> ha
[16:26] <zyga> yeah, I'm sure pi pico 2 will have something RF
[16:26] <zyga> for now I'm just doing qemu runs
[16:26] <ogra> i'm waiting for the adafruit spinoff ... need wlan/BT
[16:26] <ogra> (they are supposed to have it)
[16:26] <zyga> I plan to use them as signal generators
[16:27] <ogra> the only place where i could use non-networked would be as a keyboard controller for one of my handmade kbd'S
[16:27] <ogra> but for that they are physically too big
[17:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3429 opened: plugins: Pin pip to supported versions <Created by philroche> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3429>
[17:03] <pedronis> mvo: we probably want #9820 in 2.49 ? it needs second reviews
[17:03] <mup> PR #9820: o/snapshotstate: handle conflicts between snapshot forget, export and import <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9820>
[17:05] <pedronis> mvo: #9817 is also desired
[17:05] <mup> PR #9817: cmd/snapd-generator: don't create mount overrides for snap-try snaps inside lxc <Bug> <Needs security review> <Squash-merge> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9817>
[17:07] <pedronis> pstolowski: I forgot about these or thought the latter was landed already ^
[17:07] <mup> PR snapd#9780 closed: many: use ResolvedSource() from gadget content when writing boot assets <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9780>
[17:07] <pedronis> #9837 needs a 2nd review
[17:07] <mup> PR #9837: cmd/snap-repair: filter repair assertions based on bases + modes <Needs Samuele review> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9837>
[17:07] <pstolowski> pedronis: oh indeed
[17:08] <pstolowski> but it needs security..
[17:08] <pstolowski> also some tweaks suggested by mborzecki
[17:08] <pedronis> does it? mmh, mvo added it
[17:09] <pedronis> ah, because we changed the library?
[17:09] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes
[17:10] <pedronis> bit of :/
[17:10] <pstolowski> i'll address Maciej's comments but not sure it can get reviews
[17:10] <mvo> pedronis: 9817> yes!
[17:10] <ijohnson> pedronis: I figured out the issue with needing the Label and the Role check in my gadget pr, should I file a separate PR to fix handling the SystemBoot role/label like you intended ?
[17:11] <ijohnson> or just fix it in the pr
[17:11] <pedronis> ijohnson: is it broken?
[17:11] <pedronis> bit surprised
[17:11] <ijohnson> pedronis: yes we don't handle the implicitness of `filesystem-label: system-boot` being the same as `role: system-boot`
[17:11] <pedronis> we do
[17:12] <pedronis> but you need to be sure to be on UC16/18
[17:12] <ijohnson> err rather we don't _change_ the volumes to set Role in that case
[17:12] <pedronis> which maybe some test isn't
[17:12] <ijohnson> we don't fail in that case
[17:12] <ijohnson> but we don't modify the volume structure's Role to have SystemBoot
[17:12] <ijohnson> maybe I'm wrong but I just added that code and it made the tests pass again so I'm like 95% confident we don't have that code right now
[17:13] <pedronis> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/gadget/gadget.go#L420
[17:13] <pedronis> maybe the test you care about is not hitting it
[17:14] <ijohnson> huh yeah it seems the test it not hitting that codebase at all
[17:14] <pedronis> then the test is off
[17:14] <pedronis> that code is at it should be afaik
[17:14] <pedronis> s/at/as/
[17:14] <ijohnson> the test is just calling `gadget.LaidOutSystemVolumeFromGadget`
[17:15] <pedronis> passing what?
[17:15] <ijohnson> so it seems that gadget.LaidOutSystemVolumeFromGadget needs to do more
[17:15] <ijohnson> pedronis: the test is TestLaidOutSystemVolumeFromGadgetHappy
[17:15] <ijohnson> in gadget_test.go
[17:16] <pedronis> ijohnson: you need to pass a model
[17:16] <ijohnson> :-/
[17:16] <ijohnson> but okay
[17:16] <pedronis> it doesn't make sense to use LaidOutSytemVoumeFromGadget without a real model
[17:17] <pedronis> well model, one of our mocks is fine
[17:17] <pedronis> anyway the point stand
[17:17] <mup> PR snapd#9861 opened: gadget: run resolveContentPaths() when laying out a volume <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9861>
[17:17] <pedronis> the actual prod code will have a model as it should
[17:18] <pedronis> ijohnson: I mean, nothing to :-/ about here :)
[17:18] <ijohnson> I guess I'm just :-/ because there are a lot of unit tests from before my pr that are passing nil as the model
[17:19] <ijohnson> and while yes the only place that uses it in production will always have a model, that's not clear from looking at all the tests that pass in nil
[17:19] <ijohnson> anyways yes I can fix this up
[17:20] <pedronis> ijohnson: yea, sorry, but what I said is true, it's also true that it's hard to fix tests that don't fail when you make a change
[17:20] <ijohnson> indeed it is
[17:20]  * ijohnson shakes fists at tests that aren't failing
[17:20] <mvo> cachio: snapd/core in beta should be ready later today
[17:21] <mvo> cachio: 2.49~rc1 are building right now
[17:21] <pedronis> ijohnson: I suggest making that fuction error if model is nil
[17:21] <ijohnson> yeah I saw that suggestion I like that suggestion
[17:21] <pedronis> it's what we want anyway, just a bit annoying
[17:22] <mvo> pedronis: I made another attempt to make the resolving of the content paths for the gadget updates easier to review in 9861. no rush but high level feedback welcome, hope this time it's less distracting (a followup will then cleanup the todos or I can do them right in this pr but then it will grow a bit)
[17:25] <pedronis> I queued it


[00:29] <alteregoa> those DRM-Intel kernels are for intel cpu only? or do they support Radeon too?
[00:30] <rww> one would presume they're for Intel GPUs
[00:30] <rww> perhaps you should ask the person who made them?
[00:30] <Daekdroom> !mainline
[00:31] <Daekdroom> drm-intel- is interesting for those that need new features from the DRM for Intel cards.
[00:31] <Daekdroom> drm-next I think is for Radeon cards, possibly Nvidia opensource drivers, but I'm not sure about that.
[00:39] <alteregoa> for my opinion drm should be the way to go for future desktop ubuntu versions, people don't have to fiddle around with GPU acceleration, it just works...
[00:49] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure I understand you. Both closed-source binaries (which do not use DRM, despite complying with DRI) and open-source drivers (DRM+ DRI) use GPU acceleration.
[00:51] <alteregoa> afaik DRM = Direct render Manager
[00:51] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[00:51] <alteregoa> you can access GPGPU in user mode
[00:51] <Daekdroom> I don't understand how DRM means "not having to fiddle with GPU acceleration"
[00:52] <Daekdroom> Unless you mean fetching and installing drivers.
[00:52] <alteregoa> never heard drm kernel using cs because intel gpu drivers are opened...`
[00:52] <alteregoa> e.g a program in userspace could access higher level gpu w/o xorg in between or something
[00:54] <Daekdroom> Oh. So you're talking about apps? I thought it referred to end-users.
[00:55] <alteregoa> wayland
[00:56] <Daekdroom> Yup. Wayland (and Mir, for Ubuntu) should simplify GPU acceleration by quite a lot once they're mature.
[00:56] <alteregoa> yeah but they are based on drm afaik
[00:57] <Daekdroom> I wouldn't say based, but they do rely on it for the open-source drivers.
[00:57] <Daekdroom> Either way, AMD and Nvidia can decide to support Wayland and/or Mir on their drivers without using DRM.
[00:58] <alteregoa> ok but for my opinion this is the way to go - it simplify a lot of things for end users
[00:58] <alteregoa> nvidia sucks
[01:08] <saiarcot895> Is it standard for LTS released to be released as development releases one month prior to the offical launch?
[06:57] <hyde> sandGorgon: I'm not very "in" in Ubuntu development, but I've never heard of Ubuntu "development releases". But there's the normal alpha(s)-beta(s)-relasecandidate(s) cycle.
[06:58] <hyde> sandGorgon: argh, ignore above
[06:58] <hyde> sleepy eyes + tab completion, when responsing to someone who wasn't in the channel any more. sorry
[08:42] <prainworker> good mornin  g ! yesterday night i try to install the pkg ubuntu restricted extras it did fail to install and now software store is not working any more please help
[08:43] <prainworker> how to i clean up my pkg list
[09:31] <huayra> I have a regression in my Thinkpad X201 which is really annoying
[09:32] <huayra> when in my docking the computer work pretty good, but when I take it out most works, besides the screen brightness adjustmnet
[09:32] <huayra> I mean, it shows as if it adjusting it, but it keeps the monitor to a low level brightness and never goes up (or even changes)
[09:33] <huayra> I thought I would ask here before going bug hunting
[09:45] <utack> linux 3.14 will likely be released next weekend. kernel freeze is arpil 3rd. let's hope for the best
[11:42] <starrats> I hope someone is here this morning that can help me with my logon problem(s)?  My problem is when I try to logon on to the little password screen my cursor freezes/locks up and will not mover off the little window, have tried everything I know to release the cursor. I end up doing a hard shutdown to reboot and try again and this has been numerous lately, please someone if you know a solution please let me know and thank you.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:48] <starrats> morning
[12:19] <starrats> I hope someone is here this morning that can help me with my logon problem(s)?  My problem is when I try to logon on to the little password screen my cursor freezes/locks up and will not mover off the little window, have tried everything I know to release the cursor. I end up doing a hard shutdown to reboot and try again and this has been numerous lately, please someone if you know a solution please let me know and thank you.
[12:27] <kjetil_> starrats: Have you tried to restart psmouse
[12:34] <starrats> kjetil:  psmouse?
[12:36] <starrats> kjetil:  I have a laptop with a 'mousepad'
[12:38] <kjetil_> starrats: first modprobe -r psmouse  an then modprobe  psmouse      as root
[12:39] <kjetil_> starrats: psmouse is the kernel module driving your mouse
[12:39] <starrats> ah okay will try that
[12:44] <starrats> kjetil:  just did those two commands in root and I did not get any response from term is this good or bad, I'm new in the cli but learning.
[12:46] <kjetil_> starrats: this is normaly good, no response is "not bad"
[12:46] <kjetil_> starrats: did your mouse come to life?
[12:47] <starrats> well I have no mouse just a mousepad as you find on a laptop
[12:49] <kjetil_> starrats: but can you move your curser after you resarted psmouse
[12:49] <starrats> the only way I could see if this worked would be to reboot the laptop
[12:49] <starrats> yes
[12:50] <starrats> the cursor is moving quite nice
[12:50] <kjetil_> starrats: restarting psmouse shuld have the same efect as rebooting
[12:53] <starrats> well mousepad seems to be working fine atm but my true test is to reboot and see if it freezes or not, that has been the only problem I have with the cursor at start-up
[12:53] <kjetil_> starrats: this will probably not solve your problem it will only point you in a direction when figuring out what the reason is for the curser locks up. and save you from rebooting
[12:54] <starrats> ah ok
[12:54] <kjetil_> starrats: starrats when i had this problem i fount it helped turning down the use of desktop effects.
[12:55] <starrats> desktop effects?
[12:55] <elfy> settings - window manager tweaks - compositor - turn it off
[12:56] <elfy> starrats: people are more likely to assume you're using ubuntu if you don't mention anything
[12:56] <elfy> or what they are using
[12:56] <starrats> ah ok
[12:57] <starrats> I'm using pre-release xubuntu 14.04, sorry forgot that
[13:01] <starrats> the compositor was not enabled when i just looked elfy
[13:56] <nicklas_> hello, ubuntu 14.04 will have nvidia optimus support?
[13:58] <DJones> nicklas_: I've got a laptop with intel/nvidia 750M graphics, I installed 14.04 and it worked fine for intel, then installed the nvidia-prime drivers, rebooted & it worked flawlessly
[13:59] <DJones> I can switch between intel & nvidia using the nvidia controls app (with reboot/relogin)
[13:59] <oxsyn> On 14.04 when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, my custom compiled vim binary in /usr/local/bin is removed from the system and my update-alternatives configuration is reset. Is this the way it's supposed to act?
[13:59] <nicklas_> DJones: so no need for bumblebee from ubuntu 14.04?
[13:59] <DJones> nicklas_: No, none at all
[14:01] <DJones> nicklas_: Mine was a fresh install and hadn't had bumblebee installed, but I presume if you've already had that installed, you need to completely remove it first
[14:03] <nicklas_> DJones: i have a new asus netbook, bought it without checking that it had optimus, if a had known that, i would have gone with a stationary computer instead (desktop). i wiped the ssd and hdd, and therefore removed the windows 8 recovery partition, and installed xubuntu, and found that i couldnt install the nvidia driver :-/ but ok, then i think i will wait for 14.04 and go with prime, install and upgrade when release, and then in
[14:03] <nicklas_> DJones: i have nothing installed atm, at work, my computer is at home
[14:04] <DJones> nicklas_: As far as I know, prime will also work with 13.10
[14:04] <DJones> nicklas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[14:04] <nicklas_> DJones: but how do i install prime? will it be available to install via the additional drivers tab? or will it be in repos?
[14:06] <nicklas_> DJones: also, will prime be the default? or is it just temporary like bumblebee, until there is a better solution? also, will it install the fast switch thingy, in panel?
[14:06] <DJones> nicklas_: I'm not sure about the additional drivers tab, I just did it from a terminal, sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 (I think) nvidia-prime and reboot
[14:07] <DJones> I suspect prime is going to be a long term solution
[14:08] <DJones> Probably still a work in progress with further improvements to come
[14:08] <nicklas_> ok
[14:08] <nicklas_> thanks for all the info, need to go :-)
[14:08] <DJones> Good luck & you're welcome
[14:41] <cyberalex4life> hello, I am trying to change themes on trusty with unity-tweak-tool and ubuntu-tweak
[14:42] <cyberalex4life> but I can't change them sepparetly, only icons
[14:44] <darthanubis> maybe kind of early for that no?
[14:45] <cyberalex4life> maybe..
[14:45] <darthanubis> I have tweak installed but have not done too much with it at this point
[14:46] <cyberalex4life> at least trusty seems more stable than saucy when released
[14:46] <darthanubis> I was going to ask about how it feels to others
[14:46] <darthanubis> and to me, it seems ok so far
[14:46] <darthanubis> gnome-screensavers was broken last week
[14:46] <darthanubis> but it seems fixed now
[14:46] <darthanubis> That was my only bug
[14:46] <cyberalex4life> well, I would prefer gnome-shell over unity
[14:47] <darthanubis> then use it
[14:47] <cyberalex4life> the reason why I am on unity is that nvidia-prime is on unity
[14:47] <darthanubis> oh
[14:47] <cyberalex4life> and could not successfully change gdm with lightdm
[14:47] <darthanubis> I dropped nvidia after issues with my xbmc box
[14:48] <darthanubis> laptops are all intel
[14:48] <cyberalex4life> well it has some tearing effect with nvidia prime
[14:50] <cyberalex4life> and you better not change any nvidia settings at all. had problems with that
[14:51] <cyberalex4life> the main reason why I do not like unity now is that is too glossy and messes with my eyes, so that's why I want to play with themes
[17:34] <pepee> if linux 3.14.0 is released next week, will we have it in trusty?
[17:39] <aljosa> scrolling is to fast w/ touchpad, tried using synclient to fix it but didn't work. any other tools to fix scrolling speed?
[17:43] <k1l_> pepee: no. but features  or fixes get backported
[17:45] <pepee> k1l_, ah, ok
[17:53] <Fudge> are there any users here that use Orca
[17:53] <Fudge> Bug #1297429
[17:54] <Fudge> looking for someoen to confirm this bug for me please
[18:41] <bluefrog> don't knw how orca works but so far it seems pretty bad in firefox
[20:15] <johnjohn101> getting close
[20:27] <wolfy1339> i cant check for updates at all, when i do "apt-get update" i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7153061/
[20:45] <pepee> wolfy1339, that looks like connection problems from your side
[20:48] <wolfy1339> it's not... i can open it in a browser just fine, and i'm on irc right now on the pc concerned... so defenetly not that
[20:53] <wolfy1339> pepee it can't be connection problems because i can access the repo's in my browser just fine...
[21:01] <pepee> wolfy1339, are you using a proxy?
[21:02] <wolfy1339> pepee, no
[21:05] <pepee> wolfy1339, no idea, sorry
[21:11] <johnjohn101> what are the chances of kernel 3.14 if it's released next week?
[21:53] <CraHan> Does anyone happen to know if there's any way to suppress the 'wireless networks available' and 'you've been disconnected' notifications when you reach the login screen in 14.04?
[21:54] <CraHan> I know you can use dconf as a user, but that only changes the setting for that specific user.
[21:54] <CraHan> I haven't found how to change a dconf setting globally (if that's even possible)
[22:12] <Beldar> CraHan, I on occasion run gksudo dconf-editor in the cli when needed but be careful.
[22:18] <CraHan> Beldar: thanks for the tip. Got it working by sudo'ing to the lightdm account and using gsettings to set the correct dconf key
[22:22] <CraHan> Of course an option to disable wireless at the lightdm login screen would be an ideal solution for me
[22:35] <bluefrog> wolfy1339, have a look at the conf files  in /etc/apt. you must have done something with them
[22:35] <wolfy1339> no i didn't
[22:37] <bluefrog> then ask ovh what's wrong with their repo
[22:38] <bluefrog> and by the way 13.10 is dead no?
[22:38] <wolfy1339> ovh??
[22:39] <bluefrog> well you are trying to update a machine held by ovh, no?
[22:39] <bluefrog> this machine is not at your house, correct?
[22:40] <wolfy1339> it is at my house, and it's 14.0
[22:40] <wolfy1339> *14.04
[22:40] <bluefrog> then it's funny. when did you install 14.04 and how did you do it?
[22:40] <bluefrog> because you're trying to access an ovh machine
[22:41] <bluefrog> whois <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:41] <bluefrog> and you're trying to reach the 13.10 repo
[22:41] <bluefrog> http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy Release.gpg
[22:42] <wolfy1339> yes for some packages, that don't have trusty versions
[22:42] <bluefrog> your config is all mixed up. time to do a clean install
[22:42] <wolfy1339> clean install of what? my whole system?
[22:43] <bluefrog> and what       grep -r 7808 /etc/apt/*   gives?
[22:45] <wolfy1339> grep: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: Permission denied
[22:45] <bluefrog> do you have your own repo?
[22:46] <wolfy1339> my own repo?
[22:46] <bluefrog> aptcacher or something like that
[22:46] <wolfy1339> no
[22:50] <bluefrog> then a ghost is in your machine
[22:50] <wolfy1339> a ghost?
[22:51] <bluefrog> pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[22:52] <bluefrog> someone has changed the repo. as it's not me and you say it's not you then it has to be a ghost
[22:53] <wolfy1339> the only thing i've done is add repo's through system settings... other than that nothing else i have touched
[22:53] <bluefrog> and possibly do as well   sudo updatedb && locate apt.conf
[22:53] <bluefrog> pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[22:54] <wolfy1339> http://pastebin.com/AANdLhCZ
[22:55] <pepee> http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu
[22:56] <bluefrog> wolfy1339, sources.list is good so you have a proxy declared somewhere in your machine
[22:56] <pepee> that one is down.. but the others should work
[22:56] <k1l> remove the non ubuntu stuff form that sources.list
[22:57] <k1l> and dont mix 13.10 packages into your 14.04 system
[22:57] <k1l> that has to get wrong. but dont blame ubuntu for that
[22:57] <wolfy1339> i checked, and there's one but it should have been disabled when i put the setting as "none"
[22:57] <Ben64> what is the preferred way of getting a classic gnome look and feel on trusty?
[22:58] <wolfy1339> i cleared it
[22:58] <bluefrog> wolfy1339, obviously it's not disabled for apt
[22:58] <k1l> Ben64: the gnome-fallback thing? no matter what its called now
[22:58] <Ben64> yeah i'm not sure what its called now
[22:58] <Ben64> 12.04 i installed gnome-panel and it did it
[22:58] <wolfy1339> k thx
[22:58] <Ben64> i think theres a new method, build into gnome3?
[22:58] <k1l> wolfy1339: set a # in front of that lines (or remove the lines). then run a sudo apt-get update
[23:05] <bluefrog> bad wolfy, he's gone