[00:26] <czajkowski> hmm
[00:26] <dutchie> czajkowski: moving yet?
[00:27] <czajkowski> nope
[00:27] <dutchie> :(
[00:28] <directhex> blarg
[00:30] <czajkowski> yarp
[00:54] <Pendulum> czajkowski: remind me never to be on a flight or train with you :P
[00:54] <hamitron> !mpd
[00:55] <czajkowski> Pendulum: :(
[00:55] <czajkowski> still here
[00:56] <czajkowski> no driver
[00:59]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski
[01:07] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/21/crazy-few-days/
[01:07] <daftykins> czajkowski: are you stuck on a non-moving train?
[01:08] <czajkowski> yup
[01:08] <daftykins> erk
[01:08] <daftykins> i wish you will with that
[01:15] <czajkowski> whooo we're off
[01:15] <Pendulum> yay!
[01:16] <popey> \o/
[01:20] <czajkowski> means less wait I guess at wolve
[02:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Crazy few days - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/21/crazy-few-days/
[07:16] <AlanBell> czajkowski: enjoying the train #2 now?
[07:40] <JohnRobert> anyone here know if rdiff-backup understands file renames and duplicate files when transferring?
[07:41] <daubers> Morning
[07:41] <JohnRobert> also, does anyone know if it hard links files on the backup side to save space?
[07:41] <Apacheuk> morning everyone
[07:41] <JohnRobert> it's evening here
[07:41] <JohnRobert> :p
[08:16] <AlanBell> party tonight folks
[08:19] <AlanBell> JohnRobert: I don't think it does understand renames and duplicates, it just does diffs at file level. Don't think it does any hard link specialness either
[08:24] <daubers> AlanBell: Indeedy, just need to hope the trains are running this evening
[08:26] <AlanBell> south west trains have shut some branch lines, but the service doesn't look too bad really
[08:28] <daubers> some delays on great western
[08:28] <daubers> and some cancellations, but not too bad....
[08:35] <daubers> will have to remember to startup latitude when I leave work
[08:39] <bigcalm> Morning :)
[08:40] <diplo> Morning
[08:46] <bigcalm> Lively morning
[08:51] <daubers> indoodly
[08:51]  * bigcalm feels like napping
[08:51]  * bigcalm doesn't feel like writing emails all morning
[09:00] <_H> my clock skips 2 seconds every 3
[09:00] <_H> :/
[09:02] <dwatkins> _H: your computer clock goes out that badly?
[09:02] <_H> yeah
[09:02] <_H> 34 from 32
[09:02] <dwatkins> Sounds like you need to replace your motherboard, unless it's not something that shows-up under other operating systems.
[09:03] <dwatkins> So after 6 minutes of correcting the clock, it's 2 minutes fast?
[09:03] <dwatkins> I mean 6 minues after correcting the clock, it's 2 minutes fast?
[09:04] <Phineas> I have returned
[09:04] <_H> dwatkins: it may have been ruined by the power surges
[09:05] <dwatkins> _H: may have? are you suggesting this problem started after a power surge?
[09:05] <dwatkins> hiya Phineas
[09:06] <diplo> _H, could see what the hardware clock says ? sudo hwclock
[09:06] <_H> dwatkins: had the fuse board replaeced new cicet breaker
[09:06] <dwatkins> diplo has a very good point
[09:06] <_H> Tue 21 Dec 2010 09:06:33 AM GMT  -0.048183 seconds
[09:07] <dwatkins> When did you last correct the clock, _H?
[09:07] <_H> never
[09:07] <_H> its the correct time
[09:07] <dwatkins> So it's the OS?
[09:07] <_H> it just goes 1 2 3 6 7 8 9.....
[09:07] <_H> etc
[09:08] <dwatkins> What does?
[09:08] <bigcalm> It has a fear of four
[09:08] <_H> the seconds on the clock
[09:08] <bigcalm> Oh and five
[09:09] <popey> ahhh
[09:09]  * popey has just realised _H is switchgirl
[09:10] <_H> slow....
[09:10] <_H> :)
[09:10] <_H> lol
[09:10] <dwatkins> So, the hardware clock is always right, but the software clock doesn't like 4s and 5s? Sounds like a software problem to me.
[09:10] <popey> :)
[09:10] <dwatkins> Did you check it in another OS, _H?
[09:10] <Phineas_> my cork is always right
[09:11] <Phineas_> clock sorry
[09:11] <_H> ubuntu100%
[09:11] <dwatkins> Phineas_: I was wondering where you were going with that.
[09:13] <Phineas_> yeah that was my phones fult. tryes to correct what I say. it could have been worse
[09:17] <Phineas_> CEARSE YOU PREDICTIVE TEXT
[09:17] <popey> Not sure there are any phones that would autocorrect to cock?
[09:18] <Phineas_> mine Conew up with crock clock and cock
[09:18] <bigcalm> You have a dirty mind, popey. Nobody else was thinking about that word :)
[09:18] <Phineas_> once again epic fail
[09:18] <popey> did I tell you about the time sophie said that word?
[09:19] <popey> i was sat on the sofa and heard her coming down the stairs.
[09:19] <bigcalm> -a-doodle-doo?
[09:19] <popey> ah, i did
[09:19] <popey> :)
[09:19] <bigcalm> No, I was just guessing
[09:19] <popey> oh :)
[09:20] <bigcalm> Your kids are too sweet and innocent for anything else
[09:20] <popey> haha
[09:20] <AlanBell> popey: I still remember my eldest announcing at the dinner table with guests that she would like a fork like everyone else and not just a spoon
[09:20] <AlanBell> only she didn't say fork
[09:20] <popey> :)
[09:21] <Phineas_> I had a time where I kept on misshereing the word clock
[09:21] <popey> kids say the darndest things
[09:21] <rickogden> I think I might have just joined the channel at the most inappropriate time...
[09:21] <rickogden> (hi btw)
[09:22] <AlanBell> hi rickogden
[09:22] <Phineas_> darndest???
[09:22] <bigcalm> AlanBell: awww
[09:24] <bigcalm> czajkowski is on a boat!
[09:25] <bigcalm> Wonder where she'll end up
[09:25] <Phineas_> I got told of at school for yelling the word bucket
[09:25] <bigcalm> Why did you yell bucket?
[09:26] <Phineas_> well I said it loudly
[09:27] <Phineas_> and got in trouble for swareing.
[09:30] <bigcalm> I like saying "oh fishsticks". Not swearing and also tasty
[09:31] <Phineas_> I tend to say.  oh biscuits or oh crap
[09:31] <bigcalm> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany way
[09:32] <Phineas_> thats what I say when I want to move on the subject
[09:33] <bigcalm> That's very astute of you
[09:33] <Phineas_> what
[09:34] <Phineas_> astute???
[09:39] <Phineas_> auto caps activated
[09:41] <popey> mmmmm fishsticks
[09:41] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[09:41] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:42] <Phineas_> *drool* fishsticks
[09:44] <Phineas_> I keep thinking popey is pronounced poppy.
[09:45] <bigcalm> What makes you think that?
[09:45] <Phineas_> my brain
[09:45] <MooDoo> Phineas_: next you'll be thinking it's poopy
[09:46] <exobuzz> nice ubuntu discussion going on as usual on the channel ;-)
[09:46] <Phineas_> that is also what I call him when I am in a mood
[09:48] <Phineas_> but that only happened once
[09:54] <Phineas_> how it is actually pronounced
[09:59] <MooDoo> poh-pee as phonestics would sound
[10:02] <Phineas_> of corse Alan Pope = popey
[10:04] <Phineas_> I get it. I think my brain is half asleep today
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you mate
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nakered Moving house and trying to get it in some sort of shape for Xmas is no fun
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: ouch, i've even given up prodding czajkowski as it sounds like she's not having a good time of it
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: On a plus side I got away without a visit from czajkowski at 4 am so every cloud has a silver lining :D
[10:07] <Phineas_> love x mas, love. live perks here you screen now
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol, i'm sure she would of loved to come visit as it's got to be better than the floor where she slept the other night
[10:08] <Phineas_> cerse you predictive text.   So I'm wishing czajkowski a safe journey and I'll rag her rotten when her gets back and has a sore head from all the alcohol (Because I'm EVIL!!!)#
[10:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes, thoughts are with her, yes that's you czajkowski
[10:27] <Phineas_> my coffee ran out
[10:28] <exobuzz> daubers, which is your neck of the woods ? not sure if you saw that. split ?
[10:31] <daubers_> exobuzz: Reading
[10:34] <daubers> Thats better
[10:36] <Phineas> thats better
[10:39] <popey> AlanBell: what train you going on?
[10:44] <Phineas> whats the linux that goes woof woof
[10:46] <Phineas> on startup?
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Surely you mean yap yap (Puppy Linux of course)/
[10:47] <bigcalm> I was thinking of Yellow Dog
[10:47] <bigcalm> Doubt it's still going though
[10:48] <Phineas> of corse puppy linux
[10:48] <bigcalm> ydl.net how wrong can I be?
[10:48] <Phineas> what does http stand for
[10:49] <maco> hypertext transfer protocol
[10:49] <Phineas> whats hypertext
[10:49] <MooDoo> Phineas: html
[10:50] <maco> webpagey data
[10:50] <maco> html = hypertext markup language
[10:50] <bigcalm> Phineas: are we doing your homework for you?
[10:50] <MooDoo> lol
[10:51] <Phineas> bigcalm, no its not home work.
[10:52] <Phineas> whats a protocol
[10:52] <MooDoo> Phineas: go look it up on google
[10:52] <AlanBell> popey: probably 15:59 from Farnham
[10:52] <bigcalm> Good greif
[10:52]  * daubers makes a list of people he owes drinks/cake too
[10:53] <bigcalm> Phineas: you need to spend some time on Wikipedia
[10:53] <maco> Phineas: type "dict protocol" in your terminal
[10:54] <Phineas> I am not on a computer right now
[10:54] <maco> walk to the library and get a dictionary?
[10:54] <Phineas> in not at the library
[10:55] <Phineas> I am
[10:56] <Phineas> I am in bed wondering what to do. I only have a French dictionary
[10:57] <bigcalm> Phineas: how are you using irc?
[10:57] <Phineas> my new mobile phone
[10:57] <bigcalm> Does your new mobile phone have a web browser?
[10:57] <dwatkins> Phineas: it means 'procedure'
[10:59] <Phineas> yes it does have a web browser and irc and msn and Facebook chat
[11:00] <bigcalm> Phineas: then you can use the web browser to reach wikipedia.org
[11:00] <Phineas> I could do
[11:00] <dwatkins> or google translate
[11:00] <bigcalm> dwatkins: heh
[11:02] <exobuzz> daubers, aah nice.. go to reading quite often!
[11:02] <Phineas> I might just use the web bowser in a sec
[11:03] <exobuzz> daubers, not only for the pound shops and cheap pubs :)
[11:04] <Phineas> the 99 cent shops are good. got myself a new mug for my morning coffee
[11:06] <MooDoo> Phineas: you in the US?
[11:06] <Phineas> err nope
[11:07] <MooDoo> Phineas: then it's 99p :) lol
[11:07] <MooDoo> i'm teasing :D
[11:08] <daubers> exobuzz: heh
[11:10] <Phineas> I love my 99 cent mug with Garfield on it
[11:10] <bigcalm> My VNC has a santa hat on it. How silly
[11:10] <MooDoo> what's a 99cent mug?
[11:10] <bigcalm> cl?
[11:10] <Phineas> a mug that cost 99 cents
[11:11] <MooDoo> Phineas: ah you got that from the US then?
[11:11] <bigcalm> MooDoo: or 0.99 eur
[11:11] <MooDoo> bigcalm: just wondering as in this country we use pence :D
[11:12] <exobuzz> i use groats
[11:12] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I know we do. But the US is not the only country to use cents
[11:12] <MooDoo> bigcalm: aye there is that.
[11:12] <exobuzz> bigcalm, presents arrived! ;-)
[11:12] <MooDoo> exobuzz: i use drognas
[11:13] <bigcalm> exobuzz: hazar!
[11:13] <exobuzz> MooDoo, what currency is that from ? :)
[11:13] <daubers> If you had between £50 and £100 to spend on some podcasting kit... what would you buy?
[11:13] <MooDoo> exobuzz: lol an 80's tv show called the adventure game
[11:14] <exobuzz> MooDoo, aah!!! i rememebr it
[11:14]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[11:14] <bigcalm> Which channel was that on?
[11:15] <MooDoo> exobuzz: doog yrev
[11:15] <exobuzz> i looked up the screenshots and i saw the triangle grid thing. damn. i had forgotten all about that show
[11:15] <exobuzz> awesome
[11:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: bigcalm bbc i think
[11:15] <MooDoo> exobuzz: the aspidistra plant and i think you're referring to the vortex :D
[11:16] <exobuzz> the vortex!!
[11:16]  * exobuzz gets all nostalgic
[11:16] <exobuzz> must download
[11:16] <bigcalm> Oh, that show
[11:17] <exobuzz> downloading s01e01 now :)
[11:17] <MooDoo> lol :)
[11:18]  * exobuzz thanks thebox.bz
[11:19] <Phineas> nope I got the mug in the town which I love near
[11:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Playing system sounds from Python programs on Ubuntu - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/12/21/playing-system-sounds-from-python-programs-on-ubuntu
[11:19] <exobuzz> Phineas, near ?
[11:20] <MooDoo> Phineas: so they sell stuff using cents?
[11:20] <exobuzz> hehe
[11:21] <Phineas> yeah cents and dollars thats the currency here
[11:21] <MooDoo> Phineas: so where are you then?  just curious as i'm getting more confused by the minute lol
[11:21]  * exobuzz also downloads starcade (american tv series)  - had these before but lost em. just like watching people playing arcade games really badly!
[11:22] <MooDoo> exobuzz: you also need starfleet and terrahawks :D
[11:22] <exobuzz> MooDoo, got starfleet. and the cover by brian may ;-)
[11:22] <Phineas> Danville (not the place in the us)
[11:22] <exobuzz> need terrahawks.. loved that too
[11:22] <exobuzz> goddam the 1980s were great.
[11:23] <MooDoo> Phineas: never heard of it :D
[11:23] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTBDjhLXtUc
[11:23] <popey> very HHGTTG
[11:23] <MooDoo> exobuzz: have you seen this? http://www.tvcream.co.uk/
[11:24] <exobuzz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExC6OEQazrc
[11:24] <exobuzz> aaah
[11:24] <exobuzz> MooDoo, not sure. will check thanks!
[11:25] <popey> awww I loved star fleet
[11:25] <dutchie> JohnRobert: if you want backup hardlinking, check out rsnapshot
[11:29] <dutchie> daubers: is there a dauberscast in the pipeline? :)
[11:29] <exobuzz> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Fleet-Complete-DVD/dp/B00171EE9E .. tempted..
[11:29] <exobuzz> i got low quality vhs rips
[11:29] <exobuzz> it wasnt available on dvd for ages.
[11:30] <exobuzz> oh no terrahawk on dvd and dungeons and dragons.. im going to be skint.
[11:30] <exobuzz> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dungeons-Dragons-Complete-Animated-DVD/dp/B000198AKC/ref=pd_cp_d_h__2 £7.99!

[11:31] <Phineas> anyone know where to get old game consoles at low prices
[11:31] <exobuzz> car boot sales
[11:32] <Phineas> to cold
[11:32] <exobuzz> online auctions and classifieds
[11:32] <daubers> dutchie: Unlikely, helping a friend out
[11:33] <Phineas> like?
[11:35] <daubers> dutchie: Also very un-Ubuntu related
[11:35]  * exobuzz uses rdiff-backup for backups (push backup with compressed diffs)
[11:35] <Phineas> what sites
[11:35] <exobuzz> Phineas, ask google :)
[11:36] <exobuzz> if you are in usa, then perhaps craigslist ? and then ebay. and so on
[11:36] <daubers> dutchie: Looked at something like http://www.amazon.co.uk/BEHRINGER-PODCASTSTUDIO-USB-COMPLETE-P/dp/B000PARIZU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292931381&sr=8-1 but think it's the wrong kind of mic for a group of people really
[11:36] <exobuzz> MooDoo, http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/ubuntu-uk/Brian%20May%20and%20Friends%20-%20Star%20Fleet.mpg
[11:37] <exobuzz> MooDoo, not great quality, but its very hard to find this music video :)
[11:37] <MooDoo> awesome
[11:39] <exobuzz> i have audio only at better quality if you wanted it
[11:40] <MooDoo> exobuzz: i'm sure i could find it, but thanks any way :D
[11:40] <exobuzz> k
[11:43] <dutchie> AlanBell: nice email about christmas party :)
[11:44] <dutchie> shame i'm just a bit too far
[11:51] <popey> awww that Star Fleet brings back memories
[11:54] <kvarley> Great start to the morning - Music and Coffee in my Ubuntu mug. :)
[11:55] <gord> a musical ubuntu mug sounds like a wonderful product
[11:56]  * MooDoo is wearing his maverick t-shirt
[12:02]  * davmor2 is wearing his warm t-shirt
[12:02] <directhex_> blaaaarg
[12:16]  * exobuzz is naked
[12:16] <exobuzz> sat alone, fiddling with my joggler
[12:19]  * BigRedS bemoans the problems of googling for something *after* having posted to a mailing list about it
[12:20]  * popey notes directhex_ has gone from blarg to blarg to blaaarg
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's the snow & cold
[12:29] <bigcalm> exobuzz: is that what you call it now?
[12:35] <davmor2> man you forget what a catch tune centerfold is
[13:05] <X3N> mooo
[13:06] <Darael> baaa?
[13:06] <X3N> What's the difference between the gpl dependant version of roundcube and not?
[13:07] <X3N> http://roundcube.net/download
[13:19] <Darael> X3N: As the description says.  The GPL (dep) packages won't run without installing some other things, but contain only GPL sources.
[13:26] <X3N> seems odd
[13:39] <Phineas> i have returned on my laptop
[13:41] <MooDoo> Phineas_: search on google ;)
[13:41] <Phineas_> MooDoo,  for what
[13:41] <MooDoo> Phineas_: nothing i was joking matey :D
[13:41] <Phineas_> oh i see
[13:45] <Phineas_> MooDoo,  you always joke
[13:45] <MooDoo> Phineas: i'm a jokey person
[13:46] <Phineas> the final edit of my song sounds good
[13:46] <Phineas> which is good
[13:47] <Phineas> MooDoo,  i have notaced
[13:50] <bigcalm> popey: that 4 port hub just arrived
[13:50] <bigcalm> Not sure what to do with it now though
[13:54] <popey> bigcalm: what was it for?
[13:54] <popey> joggler?
[13:54] <bigcalm> Yep
[13:54] <popey> :)
[13:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very funny digital story of the nativity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHNNPM7pJA
[14:03] <bigcalm> Wish there was a way to unfollow somebody's tweets for a while
[14:03] <bigcalm> Without removing them
[14:03] <popey> write a twitter client that does it?
[14:03] <popey> :)
[14:03] <bigcalm> Hah
[14:03] <bigcalm> I use the web interface
[14:04]  * popey wonders where czajkowski is
[14:04] <popey> half way down a bottle of JD hopefully
[14:04] <bigcalm> Dublin ;)
[14:04]  * popey checks latitude
[14:04] <bigcalm> Just tweeted
[14:04] <popey> haha, latitude has her in the sea
[14:04] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:10]  * Phineas makes everyone hot cocoa
[14:10]  * AlanBell installs rhythmbox on the OLPC
[14:11] <Phineas> how do i make my own  os?
[14:12] <AlanBell> if you have to ask, you don't need to know
[14:12] <Darael> Phineas: Slowly and with difficulty.
[14:12] <MooDoo> Phineas: don't even go there :) lol
[14:12] <Phineas> i feel like making one
[14:12] <bigcalm> Phineas: good luck with that
[14:13] <MooDoo> Phineas: errr ok :D
[14:13] <Darael> Phineas: Why not do LFS first?
[14:13] <Phineas> lfs?
[14:13] <Darael> Linux From Scratch.
[14:13] <Phineas> how?
[14:13] <MooDoo> Phineas: do your own ubuntu spin like !# did
[14:13] <MooDoo> Phineas: google it
[14:13] <MooDoo> sigh
[14:14] <Phineas> don't sigh its depressing
[14:14] <Phineas> google what?
[14:14] <MooDoo> Phineas: sorry, but you do really need to go work things out for yourself :D
[14:15] <popey> !lfs
[14:15] <Darael> Hmm, that factoid needs an update.
[14:16] <bigcalm> Just add an "eg:", will make it less out of date
[14:16] <MooDoo> Phineas: as an example - http://fixunix.com/linux/546152-reconstructor-create-your-personal-ubuntu-spin-off.html
[14:16] <popey> I spy a cat
[14:16] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[14:17] <MooDoo> Phineas: forget that, it contains dead links
[14:17] <bigcalm> popey: yours?
[14:17] <popey> no
[14:17] <bigcalm> Somebody shot it!
[14:17] <MooDoo> popey: nice snow man, lasted longer than ours
[14:17] <popey> heh
[14:17] <kvarley> popey: How often does that page update?
[14:17] <popey> yeah, its been there a while
[14:17] <popey> as and when the picture changes
[14:17] <daubers> Ah, dinner time
[14:18] <kvarley> popey: What software are you running to do that? (I'm hooked)
[14:18] <dutchie> !lfs is <reply>LFS is Linux From Scratch (www.linuxfromscratch.org) - not to be confused with LTS, which is the long term support release of Ubuntu (currently 6.06, 8.04 and 10.04)
[14:18] <MooDoo> kvarley: check the planet, he did a post about it
[14:18] <kvarley> MooDoo: The planet?
[14:18] <MooDoo> planet.ubuntu-uk.org
[14:18] <bigcalm> dutchie: whoops?
[14:18] <kvarley> MooDoo: Thanks
[14:18] <popey> kvarley: http://popey.com/blog/2010/12/20/my-ubuntu-webcam-setup/
[14:18] <dutchie> bigcalm: no, just updating it
[14:19] <bigcalm> Ignore me
[14:19] <kvarley> popey: Thanks
[14:19] <MooDoo> yeah what popey said :D
[14:19] <dutchie> probably would have been better to do in /query really
[14:19] <Phineas> is there an easy way?
[14:19] <popey> Phineas: easy way to do what?
[14:20] <Phineas> create an os
[14:20] <popey> no
[14:20] <popey> dont do it
[14:20] <MooDoo> Phineas: do you know how to program?
[14:20] <popey> look at LFS
[14:20] <Phineas> MooDoo,  nope
[14:20] <dutchie> well, there is uck, but that's not really creating your own os
[14:20] <dutchie> !uck
[14:20] <directhex_> bok bok bok
[14:20] <MooDoo> Phineas: i think there is a lot for you to learn before you think about creating an os
[14:21] <Darael> Phineas: If you're even considering writing an OS, it's a very very good idea to do LFS enough to get proficient first.  Or some other OS equivalent.
[14:21] <dutchie> definitely listen to everyone else
[14:21] <Pendulum> Phineas: also, it'll help if you learn to program :)
[14:21]  * dutchie must get round to doing LFS at some point
[14:21] <daubers> LFS is lovely and horrid at the same time
[14:21]  * Phineas wonders if he can make his own web browser
[14:22] <bigcalm> ...
[14:22] <MooDoo> Phineas: you can't even code, so how do you think you're going to do all this?
[14:22] <Phineas> thats what i'm asking you guys
[14:22] <directhex_> i can do a web browser in a couple of dozen lines of code. it may involve just embedding a webkit instance
[14:22] <MooDoo> Phineas: take a step back mate
[14:22] <kvarley> Phineas: Learn learn some code
[14:22] <Phineas> ok
[14:23] <MooDoo> pick a language
[14:23] <bigcalm> Phineas: learn C and Python. 2 languages which will help you a lot in Linux systems
[14:23] <directhex_> c#!
[14:23]  * bigcalm kippers directhex_
[14:23] <popey> directhex_: did you know you're directhex_ and not directhex
[14:23]  * Phineas wonders how to create a psp theme
[14:23]  * directhex_ herrings bigcalm
[14:24] <directhex_> popey: hard to care - i need to blat the box this irc bouncer runs on on thursday
[14:24]  * Darael throws a haddock in for good measure.
[14:24] <MooDoo> Phineas: whay don't you look at pystart
[14:24] <popey> ah
[14:24]  * Phineas trouts directhex_
[14:24] <kvarley> Phineas: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/20/how-to-make-your-own-psp-themes/
[14:24] <MooDoo> hmmmm does that exist any more?
[14:24] <directhex_> quickly?
[14:24] <MooDoo> ah that's the one lol
[14:24] <Phineas> window required
[14:25] <Phineas> s
[14:25] <bigcalm> This is not the plaice for a fish fight
[14:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: stop calping on will you
[14:25] <daubers> Ai up, MooDoo's haddocknough
[14:26] <MooDoo> yeah can't ling-er around here all day
[14:26] <MooDoo> OM cod, will someone answer :D
[14:27] <Phineas> a what
[14:27] <popey> Phineas needs to get back to schoal.
[14:27] <MooDoo> Phineas: take a look at this - http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[14:27] <bigcalm> Fnar fnar
[14:27] <MooDoo> lol
[14:28] <bigcalm> popey: do you track clicks on your url shortner?
[14:28] <Darael> *phew*.  Thought someone was going to get crabby about all those fishy puns.  Oh, ye $DEITY, I started again.
[14:29] <popey> its possible, yeah
[14:29] <Phineas> its christmas break i don't school
[14:29] <bigcalm> popey: what method do you use for the slugs?
[14:30] <popey> slugs?
[14:30] <bigcalm> The dL5JaJ is a slug
[14:31] <Phineas> Darael,  i'm just piking about
[14:31] <popey> bigcalm: i still dont understand your question
[14:31] <popey> I use bit.ly pro if that's what you mean?
[14:32] <popey> I point popey.me at them and they do it all
[14:32]  * Phineas reboots bigcalm
[14:32] <bigcalm> Right, ok
[14:32] <bigcalm> Aww, I was hoping that you would have written your own code like linkpot
[14:33] <exobuzz> i feel like a beer
[14:33] <Phineas> me too
[14:33] <popey> thats funny, you don't look like one
[14:33] <bigcalm> exobuzz: have a Spitfire
[14:33] <bigcalm> Phineas: you're not old enough
[14:33] <exobuzz> got up at 11:30pm last night, so it feels like a long day. my sleep pattern is useless
[14:33] <Phineas> bigcalm,  your right
[14:33] <exobuzz> bigcalm, was thinking about bishops finger and maybe an  old peculiar
[14:34] <exobuzz> not sure i had spitfire. will check
[14:34] <MooDoo> i'll have an abbott ale please
[14:34] <exobuzz> old peculiar is just.. amazing
[14:34] <bigcalm> I had some ales on my amazon wish list
[14:34] <bigcalm> Pleasing to see that they are no longer in the list ;)
[14:34] <exobuzz> bigcalm, cheaper than your camera lens ? :)
[14:34] <bigcalm> Hah
[14:35] <popey> :)
[14:35] <exobuzz> beer on amazon wish list. good idea!
[14:35] <popey> yeah
[14:36] <exobuzz> ive decided not to go to the ubuntu thing, due to being tired and worried about being stuck in london, but ill come to the next thing when the weather isn't so.. polish.. nice to know there are such events organised though
[14:36] <bigcalm> Still no news about oggcamp?
[14:36] <popey> yes
[14:36] <popey> still no news about oggcamp
[14:37] <exobuzz> heh
[14:37] <bigcalm> Aww
[14:37] <MooDoo> exobuzz: there is a rugby meet in the summer that czajkowski is dealing with
[14:37] <exobuzz> rugby ? rough sport. oh the place
[14:37] <bigcalm> No, I think she means the sport
[14:37] <exobuzz> oh
[14:37] <bigcalm> cz<tab> likes em rough
[14:38] <exobuzz> :)
[14:38] <MooDoo> weyes i'm on about rugby as it's england vs ireland in the summer
[14:39] <MooDoo> yes i meant
[14:39] <bigcalm> Just sshed to the joggler
[14:39] <bigcalm> 1 package can be updated.
[14:39] <bigcalm> Do I upgrade here or via the jolicloud UI I wonder
[14:39] <exobuzz> which package ?
[14:39] <bigcalm> Good question
[14:39] <bigcalm> How do I check?
[14:39] <bigcalm> (without installing)
[14:40] <exobuzz> apt-get -s upgrade
[14:41] <bigcalm> Ta
[14:41] <bigcalm> jolicloud-tweaks
[14:41] <exobuzz> aah ok. well.. you can do it from there
[14:41] <exobuzz> note it will remove the calibration from the topbar
[14:41] <bigcalm> Oh
[14:41] <bigcalm> Haven't needed it yet...
[14:42] <exobuzz> you can still run the calibration script manually anyway /usr/local/bin/calibrate_screen or something
[14:42] <exobuzz> it will also reset panel height if you changed that for example
[14:42] <bigcalm> I've left everything as the default
[14:43] <exobuzz> well it will be ok then. they keyboard will still show as its an app icon..
[14:43] <bigcalm> I still need to find out who to contact about getting my alarm clock into the list of available apps
[14:43] <exobuzz> systray icon. whatever.. forget the lingo
[14:43] <bigcalm> Heh, cool
[14:43] <exobuzz> i dont think you can. you can only add it to local apps
[14:43] <exobuzz> not until they give the option of doing this on their web interface for example
[14:44] <exobuzz> best way to contact them is through that q/a site thing
[14:44] <bigcalm> Sure, but there must be a master list somewhere that somebody governs
[14:44] <exobuzz> http://getsatisfaction.com/jolicloud
[14:44] <bigcalm> Ah, ta
[14:45] <bigcalm> Good to look into, but I think it needs some more work before I push it
[14:45] <popey> bigcalm: we talked about oggcamp a bit in the show last night
[14:45] <bigcalm> popey: hurry up with the edit and upload then ;)
[14:45] <popey> fact is we have no plans whatsoever other than a plan to talk about it in the new year
[14:45] <popey> heh
[14:45] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:45] <popey> well, you could have listened live last night
[14:45] <popey> Lp
[14:45] <popey> colon thorn
[14:46] <exobuzz> bigcalm, how does yours compare functionaliy to others btw ? i saw a few similar things before, but perhas they work differently
[14:46] <popey> stupid keyboard
[14:46] <maco> popey: sounds painful
[14:46] <bigcalm> I could have, except I was over the road delivering birthday presents
[14:46] <bigcalm> exobuzz: they do work differently
[14:46] <popey> pffft
[14:46] <popey> you have 3g!
[14:46] <bigcalm> Mine is very much for the joggler - simple and uncluttered
[14:46] <bigcalm> Also without adverts
[14:46] <popey> I listen to Linux Outlaws live over 3g when driving to ubuntu podcast :)
[14:47] <bigcalm> popey: bit rude to be listening to a pod cast while chatting with the chap whoes birthday it was
[14:47] <exobuzz> yeh. true about the adverts
[14:47] <popey> pfft
[14:48] <bigcalm> popey: 3g be damned. I have access to their wifi :D
[14:48] <exobuzz> popey, another podcast out before xmas ?
[14:48] <popey> tomorrow
[14:48] <bigcalm> And also access to my wifi if I stand by the window
[14:48] <popey> We recorded something "special"
[14:49] <exobuzz> live snowball fight ?
[14:49] <MooDoo> popey: a special mr tumble episode?
[14:49] <popey> A panto :)
[14:49] <exobuzz> mrrrr tuuumbbble..
[14:49] <MooDoo> lol my son loves it
[14:50] <exobuzz> heh. yeh he goes down well at mine too
[14:50] <MooDoo> mr tumble, the wiggles at the moment
[14:50] <bigcalm> An audio only panto?
[14:50] <exobuzz> also in the night garden
[14:51] <MooDoo> my son has just gone off that, wiggles and barney
[14:51] <MooDoo> he's into those now
[14:51] <exobuzz> popey, whats the story ?
[14:51] <popey> wait and see
[14:51] <popey> :)
[14:51] <exobuzz> i cant
[14:51] <exobuzz> im too excited now.
[14:51] <MooDoo> exobuzz: balamory?
[14:51] <MooDoo> lol
[14:51] <exobuzz> MooDoo, haha
[14:51] <popey> ok, become a mirror and you'll get the files early :D
[14:52] <exobuzz> popey, http or ftp and how much bandwidth ? :)
[14:52] <exobuzz> and disk space
[14:52] <popey> heheeh
[14:52] <popey> just under 7GB for 62 episodes so far
[14:53] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastMirroring
[14:53] <matti> popey: ;]
[14:56] <exobuzz> popey, all simple cept no apache so id need to do that manually but ill take a look :)
[14:57] <popey> do you use a different webserver?
[14:57] <popey> (I don't use apache either, I use lighttpd)
[14:57] <exobuzz> on the machine with lots of bandwidth yeh. nginx
[14:58] <exobuzz> yeh i saw that the other day. somewhere.. maybe on your blog or something.
[14:58] <popey> shouldn't be a problem
[14:58] <bigcalm> What does Apache do that lighthttpd doesn't?
[14:59] <exobuzz> nginx/lighttpd are useful for those that dont think a 128mb php application should be given the same priority as a 4kb png
[14:59] <exobuzz> :)
[14:59] <exobuzz> or for example. want to serve maybe few connections for static content without giving 300 conenctions to the same 128mb php app :)
[14:59] <exobuzz> few hundred i meant.
[15:02] <AlanBell> choo choo
[15:02] <exobuzz> still. i like apache config and use it on all other dev / non production machines.
[15:02] <exobuzz> AlanBell, sorry. there is snow. no train service.
[15:03]  * AlanBell has evidence to the contrary
[15:04] <AlanBell> on time too, had to run the last bit
[15:04] <daubers> AlanBell: I have to get home first! Then catch a bus, then a train, then a tube. All I need is a boat and a plane and I'll have the whole set
[15:04] <AlanBell> good luck with the plane!
[15:04] <exobuzz> AlanBell, im impressed! :)
[15:06] <AlanBell> currently on the OLPC tethered to my phone doing fedora updates
[15:08]  * exobuzz rsyncs podcasts
[15:09] <Phineas> bye all
[15:09] <exobuzz> popey, what sort of transfer do the mirrors do a month ?
[15:10] <kazade> daubers, I can one-up you there. My parents live on the Isle of Wight - normally we get Tube -> Train -> Boat -> Bus ;)
[15:13] <danfish> AlanBell: don't let popey near that OLPC, or if last year was anything to go by, you'll spend the first 1/4 of 2011 putting it can together ;)
[15:13] <popey> exobuzz: depends, we can limit the amount of traffic sent to each mirror
[15:14] <popey> but we dont limit on bytes, but its proportional
[15:16] <exobuzz> ok.. well.. so long as it's not 1tb or something :)
[15:16] <exobuzz> (a month)
[15:16] <exobuzz> i emailed dave
[15:16] <popey> great, thanks
[15:19] <exobuzz> thanks for the show.
[15:19] <popey> np
[15:19] <daubers> kazade: heh :)
[15:20] <exobuzz> hope the mirror lasts.. this server has had bad luck.. i blame apple. Mac Mini Core Solo 1.5ghz Mac Mini Core Duo 1.6ghz (RIP 2010), Mac Mini 1333MHz G4 (RIP 2009)
[15:20] <popey> is it at home?
[15:20] <exobuzz> dies each year
[15:20] <exobuzz> it's in london (docklands area) http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:Macmini-rack.jpg
[15:21] <exobuzz> same place i host my joggler stuff
[15:21] <popey> how many Us is that?
[15:21] <popey> 4?
[15:21] <czajkowski> whooooo dublin
[15:21] <exobuzz> according to mythic-beasts you can get 8 in 3U
[15:21] <popey> yay
[15:21] <kvarley>  czajkowski: :)
[15:22] <popey> what are they running?
[15:22] <exobuzz> or something.
[15:22] <Pendulum> czajkowski: yay!
[15:22] <exobuzz> only one is mine. mine runs debian
[15:22] <popey> isn't it a bit of a pain, no serial port?
[15:22] <danfish> czajkowski: relief :D
[15:22] <exobuzz> netbook recovery..
[15:22] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[15:23]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a big Christmas hug and is glad she got to Ireland in the end
[15:23] <exobuzz> can be a pain if it crashes badly, since the power mode is reset each time or so, so every boot it has to be told on power cycle/reboot not to go into standby
[15:24] <exobuzz> more info about machine @ http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/ExoticA:Hosting
[15:24] <popey> RIGHT! Shut the doors, don't let czajkowski back in!
[15:24] <exobuzz> czajkowski, how long did it take to get there ?
[15:24] <AlanBell> deportation was a success in the end :)
[15:25] <davmor2> popey: Harsh,  I was thing more like fence in Ireland so she can't escape.....
[15:25] <popey> heh
[15:25] <popey> we got rid of her in the end!
[15:25] <MooDoo> lol
[15:28] <popey> nice exobuzz
[15:47] <daubers> Right, leaving the office in 15 minutes -> Tilehurst (by car) -> Reading (Bus) -> Paddington (train) -> Kings Cross (tube) -> Angel (tube)-> PARTY \o/ (by foot)
[15:50] <AlanBell> http://www.last.fm/user/ubuntuparty
[15:51] <popey> AlanBell: anything i need ot bring?
[15:51] <dutchie> fiver
[15:52] <popey> ok
[15:52] <AlanBell> alcohol
[15:53] <AlanBell> food
[15:53] <AlanBell> self
[15:53] <dutchie> probably warm clothes would be a good idea too
[15:53] <AlanBell> paper plates
[15:53] <AlanBell> plastic glasses
[15:53] <dutchie> AlanBell: OLPC? :)
[15:54] <AlanBell> dutchie: what do you think I am typing on :)
[15:55] <AlanBell> I was going to pop to the shop over the road from the place to get plates and glasses, unless anyone else wants to gring them
[15:55] <AlanBell> bring
[15:56] <AlanBell> the OLPC needs dismantling anyhow to tighten the hinge
[15:58] <andylockran> MooDoo: you still aroound?
[15:59] <daubers> Will pop into the shop for booze on the way
[16:00] <popey> ditto
[16:00]  * AlanBell has a bottle of sherry
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Ubuntu Font released for web on Google Font Directory today.
[16:01] <daubers> beer or whiskey?
[16:01] <popey> keep up TheOpenSourcerer :)
[16:01] <AlanBell> both
[16:01]  * AlanBell raised the bug that got the font there :)
[16:01] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/17224400503840770
[16:01] <popey> :)
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Just got a copy of the press release by email.
[16:01] <kazade> oops, just created quite a massive forest fire on Minecraft... not entirely intentionally :)
[16:01] <AlanBell> ooh waterloo o/
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been out to collect kid from school.
[16:01] <popey> UNACCEPTABLE!
[16:02] <popey> you have a "tablet" don't you? :)
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> huh?
[16:03] <popey> nvm, humour
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> dustball
[16:03] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[16:04] <popey> i might bring my natty narwhal
[16:06] <davmor2> popey: have you not animated that yet
[16:06] <daubers> Right!
[16:06] <daubers> To Sainsbury! And then onwards
[16:07] <exobuzz> i was just leaving the house to go and buy some ales, and a deliveryman arrived with a box.. of ales! from yorkshire.
[16:08] <exobuzz> i think i i have my suspicions who sent it (not me when i was last drunk i think).. how lovely though
[16:12] <dwatkins> awesome, exobuzz - from AlesByMail?
[16:12] <dwatkins> They do really good Discworld sausages, I hear
[16:12] <exobuzz> from erm. "copper dragon brewery" skipton
[16:12] <dwatkins> it's self-perpetuating, this ale drinking
[16:16] <exobuzz> its too nice.. they taste too good
[16:16] <exobuzz> cant stop
[16:17] <bigcalm> I went to deploy the changes to my alarm clock to the joggler. That was at 15:25
[16:17]  * bigcalm yawns and streches
[16:17] <bigcalm> Lets hope that nap makes me do more work
[16:18] <exobuzz> i must have a proper go on your clock.
[16:18] <exobuzz> on the joggler.
[16:19] <bigcalm> It's probabbly more useable now
[16:19] <bigcalm> The snooze function works (10 min repeatable)
[16:19] <bigcalm> And Craczy Words - Crazy Tune (uupc music) is an alarm option
[16:20] <bigcalm> Crazy
[16:23] <exobuzz> looks good on the browser here.ill give it a test downstairs
[16:23]  * BigRedS should be at the christmas meetup tonight, but hasn't got any paraphenalia
[16:27] <popey> 17:20 train from Farnborough to London looks good to me
[16:27] <andylockran> popey: all still running ok?
[16:27] <popey> no idea
[16:28] <popey> soon find out :D
[16:28] <BigRedS> ah, I've a 17:30ish Dorset to London car
[16:34] <popey> google maps thinks it would take me 11 hours 51 mins to walk to the party
[16:34] <davmor2> popey: How far?
[16:38] <shauno> does gmaps allow 'ski' as an option?
[16:42] <andylockran> nope
[16:44] <jacobw> what does usermode +i mean?
[16:45] <shauno> invisible .. which isn't as epic as it sounds :)
[16:46] <shauno> I believe it stops you showing up in /who for non-opers
[16:52] <jacobw> oh
[16:54] <jacobw> i've only noticed because i've gone through the trouble to be +Z w/ SSL/SASL
[17:14] <Phineas> I have returned on my mobile
[17:16] <bastubis> Hiya - I've just put instructions on how to get here via Freenode's webchat on our website - I've illustrated it with a screenshot of the web interface - does anyone mind their nick being visible? If so, I'll white them out
[17:17] <Phineas> I don't mind my nick being visable
[17:17] <bastubis> didn't think anyone would, but thought I'd check :)
[17:18] <bastubis> i's here: http://www.fossbox.org.uk/?q=node/22
[17:18] <Phineas> its up to you
[17:18] <bastubis> well, it saves me the bother of whiting out everyone's nick if people don't mind ;)
[17:19] <Phineas> don't bother then
[17:19] <bastubis> Works for me :)
[17:22] <Phineas> BURP!!!
[17:23] <Phineas> actually white my nick out
[17:23] <bastubis> OK
[17:24] <dutchie> bastubis: you know you can prepopulate the channel and nick fields using query strings on the url?
[17:26] <Steven_srs> hello
[17:26] <Phineas> hu
[17:26] <Phineas> hi
[17:27] <bastubis> done :)
[17:27] <Steven_srs> ubuntu 10.04, 64bit, just installed on HP pavilion, install went ok, now i am in ubuntu, he detected network, according to pc i am connected to network, but no internet acces is possible
[17:31] <kvarley> Steven_srs: Have you tried connecting to the internet from another computer or phone to see whether the internet is still working?
[17:32] <bastubis> open a terminal, ping google or something?
[17:32] <bastubis> then ifconfig and see what it says
[17:33] <Steven_srs> @kvarley, i am now on 2nd laptop, using net to talk to you, sou internet is ok, @bastubis: newbe: how to ping?
[17:33] <bastubis> do you know how to open a terminal?
[17:33] <Steven_srs> @bastubis: did ifconfig
[17:33] <Steven_srs> 3 "chapters"
[17:33] <Steven_srs> eth0, lo and wlan0
[17:33] <bastubis> ok paste ifconfig
[17:34] <bastubis> then ping google.co.uk
[17:34] <Steven_srs> can't paste, ubuntu is on laptop on my side
[17:34] <bastubis> ah ok
[17:34] <bastubis> do you have an ip assigned to the PC?
[17:34] <Steven_srs> i can't use internet on ubuntu, that's why chatting on 2nd laptop
[17:34] <Steven_srs> what's that ip assigned to pc?
[17:35] <Steven_srs> i could use internet on windows on same pc before, if that answers your question
[17:35] <bastubis> top two lines of ifconfig on the PC should look something like this:
[17:35] <bastubis> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:f5:69:63:22
[17:35] <bastubis>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:35] <bastubis> the inet addr number shows that the router knows you're there and has given you a number
[17:36] <Steven_srs> inet addr (at wlan0): inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:36] <bastubis> ok that looks kinda sensible
[17:36] <bastubis> ok now type this at the prompt on the PC:
[17:36] <bastubis> ping google.co.uk
[17:36] <bastubis> see what it says
[17:36] <Steven_srs> and at lo i have: inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:36] <bastubis> ok that's just hte local loop
[17:36] <bastubis> it's the eth0 we're interested in
[17:37] <Steven_srs> at eth0 i have no inet addr
[17:37] <Steven_srs> and answer to ping: unknown host google.co.uk
[17:37] <bastubis> ok, type this:
[17:38] <bastubis> ping  <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:38] <bastubis> then check that your network cable is securely connected to the PC and to the router
[17:38] <Phineas> pobg
[17:38] <Phineas> pong
[17:39] <Steven_srs> @bastubis: i have no cable, only connection possible at my location is wireless
[17:39] <bastubis> Ahhhhhhh
[17:39] <bastubis> Any chance you could find a cable? sounds like your wifi card hasn't installed properly
[17:39] <bastubis> recent versions of Ubuntu like to be cabled to the internet during installation
[17:39] <Steven_srs> but it is recognizing the correct connection, though, according to ubuntu i am connected to the network
[17:40] <bastubis> you mean it's showing you a connection icon on the top panel?
[17:40] <Steven_srs> can not access cable, i live in a hotel in brazil, and have no access to main router
[17:40] <bastubis> IC
[17:41] <Steven_srs> and to answer your ping <IP_ADDRESS>: PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56 (84) bytes of data
[17:41] <bastubis> is that all it said?
[17:41] <Steven_srs> yep
[17:41] <jacobw> you don't need an internet connection to install Ubuntu
[17:41] <davmor2> Steven_srs: Is it a passworded system?  Sometimes you'll find you can connect but you can only get the login page for the routers wireless system
[17:41] <Steven_srs> i entered the password for the connection
[17:42] <jacobw> it is entirely optional in the install process to use an internet connection to download updates and non-free packages
[17:42] <Phineas> wake me up
[17:42] <bastubis> yes, but if you don't, it often doesn't install wifi cards
[17:42] <bastubis> trust me ;)
[17:43] <bastubis> OK so you've got a wireless icon in the top panel and you can access the login page in your browser?
[17:43] <Steven_srs> login page? wireless icon , check (45%)
[17:44] <bduncan> bastubis: fwiw, i also didn't get any pongs from <IP_ADDRESS>...
[17:44] <Steven_srs> and wireless "light" on laptop is blue as well
[17:44] <bastubis> OK
[17:44] <bastubis> so how do you log into the wireless? Do you enter a 'key' in a box when you click on the SSID?
[17:45] <bastubis> @boduncan - sorry, I'll get an IP that works ;)
[17:45] <Steven_srs> log into wireless? it is automatic, i presume
[17:45] <bastubis> try pinging my ISPs DNS server: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:46] <bduncan> bastubis: better :)
[17:46] <bastubis> OK don't all do it lol
[17:46] <jacobw> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:46] <Steven_srs> i can't seem to find my network properties anymore, where to find the options for my current networ?
[17:46] <Steven_srs> *network
[17:47] <jacobw> right click nm-applet, connection information
[17:48] <Steven_srs> then i get only info, if i rightclick wireless icon, but before i had an option to add info and changes things, but i can't find it anymore
[17:48]  * Phineas feels ignored
[17:49] <bastubis> ping Phineas
[17:50] <Phineas> oh ive been gughlighted
[17:50] <jacobw> try edit connections instead of connection information if you want change network settings
[17:51] <Steven_srs> i tried, but i can not edit my current connection
[17:51] <bastubis> right-click your connection icon and choose 'edit connections'
[17:51] <bastubis> then click the 'wireless' tab
[17:51] <bastubis> choose your wireless SSID from the list
[17:51] <jacobw> if you're connected to a wireless network though you shouldn't need to change any more settings
[17:52] <bastubis> I'm not sure he is connected tho
[17:52] <jacobw> you may have a DNS issue, set you DNS nameservers as <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> in network manager
[17:52] <Steven_srs> the only connection there is "auto luxor hotel", but the auto is not part of the original name, and the only option i have is to add a wireless network, but not to edit it
[17:53] <jacobw> you have highlighted the entry right?
[17:53] <Steven_srs> yes, entry is highlighted, but the option "edtit" does not become available
[17:53] <bastubis> right-click on the connection icon and choose 'connection information'
[17:53] <Steven_srs> nor the delete option
[17:54] <davmor2> Steven_srs: The Auto bit is to just say that it automatically connects to that named connection
[17:54] <Steven_srs> @davmor2, ok
[17:54] <Steven_srs> what info do you need from the connection information, bastubis?
[17:55] <bastubis> Driver, IP etc
[17:56] <Steven_srs> driver: ath9k, speed: 24mb/s, security: wep, ip add: <IP_ADDRESS>, broadcast addr: <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:56] <bastubis> if he can't even ping a DNS IP then he's not connected
[17:56] <Steven_srs> defoult router= primary dns: <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:56] <bastubis> OK, that all looks kind of OK
[17:56] <bastubis> try pinging the router
[17:57] <bastubis> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:57] <bastubis> did you enter a wep key when you logged on?
[17:58] <jacobw> how is the second laptop connected to the internet?
[17:58] <Steven_srs> wireless
[17:59] <davmor2> Steven_srs: Can you check the details on the second and ensure they match those on the first
[17:59] <davmor2> Steven_srs: or at least are similar
[17:59] <Steven_srs> and the ping thing is doing something really strange now: 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=2.69ms  ... but the thing is, the icmp_seq is not stopping to count, it still is going: 120 and counting
[17:59] <bastubis> perfect!
[18:00] <bastubis> hold down control key and 'c'
[18:00] <bastubis> OK it's a DNS problem
[18:00] <bastubis> possibly the router is incompatible with linux
[18:01] <Steven_srs> ok DNS
[18:01] <davmor2> Steven_srs: When you open the browser what happens?
[18:01] <jacobw> NOT POSSIBLE
[18:01] <bastubis> very possible, I can list you a couple of SOHO routers that don't work with Linux
[18:02] <Darael> bastubis: The router /cannot/ be incompatible with linux, although it can refuse to allow configuration from Linux.  There's a difference.
[18:02] <Steven_srs> @davmor: i type in the webpage, and it saysthe normal page that comes when no internet (server not found) (check address,...)
[18:02] <Steven_srs> ok, about DNS
[18:02] <bastubis> OK Danawar2 lol - I know of a couple of routers that can't handle DNS properly
[18:02] <Steven_srs> at my windows PC, i had to do something really strange, that i didn't do to other wireless connections before, never: it is about the ipv4
[18:03] <bastubis> Ubuntu should drop down to IPv4 if the router can't handle IPv6
[18:03] <Darael> bastubis: Assuming you meant me, I'll grant that.
[18:03] <bastubis> ooops, sorr Darael
[18:03] <Darael> Not a problem.
[18:03] <Steven_srs> in windows 7 i had to manually type 2 dns server addresses
[18:04] <Steven_srs> be4 being able to connect
[18:04] <bastubis> fantastic - if it's that simple
[18:04] <jacobw> s/can\'t handle/aren\'t configured
[18:04] <bastubis> if you can't change it in the nm-applet
[18:04]  * Phineas feels ignored again
[18:04] <bastubis> you can do it on the commandline
[18:04] <jacobw> if you can ping <IP_ADDRESS> but not google.com then it is a DNS problem
[18:05] <Darael> bastubis: DNS is configurable from nm-applet, but it's good to point that out.
[18:06] <bastubis> he already said he can't edit it through the nm-applet
[18:06] <jacobw> would the nm-applet issues be explained by the user not being a sudoer?
[18:06] <Darael> Have you tried setting it to DHCP (addresses only).
[18:06] <bastubis> nm-applet is a world of weird these days
[18:06] <Darael> s/./?
[18:06] <Darael> Normally you need to do that before it'll let you change the DNS servers defined.
[18:07] <Steven_srs> i am restarting ubuntu PC right now, just a sec be4 explaining
[18:07] <jacobw> Darael: he says that he can't click the edit button after highlighting the network entry in the network connections dialogue
[18:08] <Steven_srs> ok people
[18:08] <Steven_srs> start fighting :p
[18:08] <Darael> jacobw: Ah.  Don't know then.
[18:08] <Steven_srs> restarted the pc, and now i can edit YES
[18:08] <jacobw> Darael: which is puzzling me because i can't quite understand why that would happen
[18:08] <Steven_srs> be4 i could not, now it is possible
[18:08] <Darael> jacobw: I, also.  However, that appears to no longer be the case, so let us not worry.
[18:08] <bastubis> perfect Steven_srs - you just need to change the DNS servers
[18:09] <Steven_srs> now i clicked the connection, and now the edit and delet option are possible
[18:09] <Steven_srs> since that changed whithout me doing something, i'll try internet first
[18:10] <jacobw> Steven_srs: Edit, IPv4 settings, Method: Automatic (DHCP) addresses only, DNS servers: <IP_ADDRESS>, Apply
[18:10] <Darael> jacobw: OpenDNS is it?  ...now why do I know that?
[18:10] <Steven_srs> ok, still no internet
[18:10] <jacobw> Darael: ja, i've had it burnt in to my brain for a while
[18:11] <jacobw> Darael: their secondary server is <IP_ADDRESS> :p
[18:11] <bastubis> or ask the hotel for their dns servers :)
[18:11] <Steven_srs> @jacob: i have the option IPV4, and it is automatic (dhcp) but i can not enter the DNS servers, the only field where i can enter something is dhcp client, the others (dns server and search domains) are "blacked out"
[18:12] <Steven_srs> @bas: i have the numbers at hand
[18:12] <bastubis> ah OK :)
[18:12] <jacobw> Steven_srs: next one down in the list
[18:12] <jacobw> Automatic (DHCP) addresses only
[18:12] <bastubis> select automatic DHCP address onl;yu
[18:13] <bastubis> and the bits you need will drop down
[18:13] <bastubis> oops, sorry jacobw - was distracted and didn't see you already said this
[18:13] <Steven_srs> ok
[18:13] <Steven_srs> sorry, didn't pay attention about the addr only part
[18:14] <Steven_srs> only the dns numbers or other things as well?
[18:14] <jacobw> just the DNS address
[18:14] <jacobw> you shouldn't need a search domain
[18:15] <bastubis> Teatime!
[18:15] <Steven_srs> ok, i applied it, but it is taking to slow, i think it is not that
[18:15] <Steven_srs> @bas i'll take it black, no sugar
[18:15] <bastubis> laters :)
[18:15] <bastubis> well, I'm off to loll about, was going to the party but - brrrrrr!
[18:16] <Steven_srs> god, i crave a real english tea
[18:16] <jacobw> i shouldn't take too long
[18:16] <Steven_srs> but with 35°C here, it is only ice tea that i drink
[18:16] <jacobw> s/i/it
[18:16]  * bastubis would poor some through the interwebs but for the technical difficulties lol
[18:17] <jacobw> eek, 35C
[18:17]  * jacobw doesn't operate about ~28C
[18:17] <Phineas> I like tea
[18:17] <jacobw> s/about/above
[18:18] <Steven_srs> anyways.... still no internet @ubuntu :(
[18:18] <null-deimos> Are there any kvm / ubuntu / network experts in the house?
[18:18] <jacobw> i'm making a lot of typos today :(
[18:18] <Darael> Steven_srs: If it's slow as well, you may want to try disabling IPv6 - sometimes that makes a difference.  Shame, really, we're going to need to move to v6 within a year.
[18:18] <jacobw> hmm, open a terminal and type `cat /etc/resolv.conf | grep nameserver`
[18:18] <Steven_srs> @darael: ipv6 is "ignore"
[18:18] <jacobw> without the `'s
[18:19] <Darael> Steven_srs: Hmm, not sure then.  Also, sorry, should really have read the backlog.
[18:19] <Steven_srs> @jacob: which "s"? reSolv or nameServer?
[18:20] <jacobw> Steven_srs: `
[18:20] <jacobw> Steven_srs: without the ` characters
[18:20] <jacobw> Steven_srs: sorry, i was a bit unclear
[18:20] <jacobw> Steven_srs: cat /etc/resolv.conf | grep nameserver
[18:21] <Steven_srs> and between conf and | and grep: space or no spaces?
[18:21] <Darael> Steven_srs: Doesn't really matter.
[18:21] <Steven_srs> without spaces: this is answer: bash: cat/etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory
[18:21] <jacobw> space after cat
[18:22] <Darael> Steven_srs: You need the sapace after cat and grep, but others are optional.
[18:22] <Steven_srs> ok
[18:22] <Darael> s/sapace/space/
[18:22] <Steven_srs> nameserver (in red) <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:22] <jacobw> ok
[18:23] <danfish> null-deimos: until we know the question.....:)
[18:23] <jacobw> now do `echo "sudo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf`
[18:23] <jacobw> sorry..
[18:23] <jacobw> `sudo echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf`
[18:24] <jacobw> it will ask you for your user password
[18:24] <Darael> jacobw: Won't work, the sudo doesn't carry past the >
[18:24] <Steven_srs> permission denied
[18:24] <jacobw> oh :s
[18:24] <null-deimos> danfish, I'm trying to use kvm, via libvirt, virt-install, etc, but I need to set up a bridged network first. I need to do it in a way that the extra MACs are hidden from the switches, or the traffic will be blocked.
[18:24] <jacobw> sudo su -
[18:24] <Darael> jacobw: Needs to be `sudo sh -c 'echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf'`
[18:25] <jacobw> ok
[18:25] <Darael> jacobw: That works too.
[18:25] <Darael> As, indeed, does sudo -i
[18:25] <Steven_srs> i did sudo -i, entered password, and now i am in root?
[18:25] <Darael> Steven_srs: That's right.
[18:26] <Steven_srs> ok, so next?
[18:26] <jacobw> ok, now do `echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf`
[18:26] <jacobw> right, time for dinner :) bbiab
[18:27] <Steven_srs> typed it, but did do nothing visible
[18:27] <Steven_srs> it just went to an empty "root@pcname"-line
[18:27] <Darael> Steven_srs: It's not meant to, don't worry.  Try browsing again - but first, press ctl+d to leave the root shell.
[18:27] <Steven_srs> ok
[18:28] <null-deimos> @Steven_srs, it should have updated the /etc/resolv.conf file.
[18:28] <Steven_srs> i'm out
[18:28] <Steven_srs> and i am in
[18:28] <Steven_srs> thank you
[18:28] <Steven_srs> have no idea what i did
[18:28] <Steven_srs> but i am ubuntu-connected now
[18:28] <Steven_srs> :)
[18:29] <Steven_srs> it is still slow as hell, but at least it is the first step to jug out windows :)
[18:29] <davmor2> jacobw: Hmm opendns by the look of it :D
[18:30] <danfish> null-deimos: i *think* the easiest way to do that is 'cheat' and use the GUI tool virt-manager - from memory that has that option
[18:30] <Steven_srs> well you guys, fancy an invitation to my swimming pool here?
[18:30] <davmor2> Steven_srs: you paying?
[18:30] <Steven_srs> what you think? xmass with palmtrees, hot babes and cheap licor?
[18:30] <Steven_srs> i'll pay for the booze ;)
[18:31] <null-deimos> I need to connect to an existing bridge, as I need to control the bridges configuration, I can't use the ones that libvirt magically creates.
[18:31] <Darael> davmor2: I already did that!
[18:31] <null-deimos> Because by hosting environment kills traffic from MACs it doesn't recognise.
[18:32] <Phineas> fire alarm
[18:32] <Phineas> big tine
[18:32] <Steven_srs> but thanks for the help everybody
[18:32] <null-deimos> Ideally I'd do this: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/KvmQemuEasyRoutedNetwork, but routed is harder, so I'm trying to make a bridge behing a dummy devicce.
[18:32] <davmor2> Phineas: You have a big fork in your fire alarm
[18:32] <Darael> Phineas: big tine?  Like, an oversized fork-prong?  OK, OK, I'll be sensible.
[18:33] <Darael> davmor2: Your point.
[18:33] <Phineas> big time sorry
[18:33] <Phineas> misspell
[18:33] <Steven_srs> other question now
[18:34] <Darael> Phineas: We know, but we wouldn't miss the chance for a bad pun.  Well, I wouldn't.
[18:34] <Phineas> loud
[18:34] <Steven_srs> wanted to install wine, but it says tat it is not compatible with "amd64"... any alternatives?
[18:34] <null-deimos> Virtualise.
[18:35] <kvarley> Steven_srs: Where are you installing wine from?
[18:35] <null-deimos> Install a 32-bit Linux,
[18:35] <Darael> Steven_srs: Wine should run fine on amd64 - I've got it installed on this laptop and am running amd64, so I know.
[18:35] <davmor2> Steven_srs: you can install wine I have it install on 64bit
[18:35] <Steven_srs> don't want to go back to 32... i am using the ubuntu software center
[18:35] <null-deimos> Listen to the other guys.
[18:36] <kvarley> Steven_srs: It should work, if not use wine's PPA.
[18:36] <Steven_srs> ppa?
[18:36] <kvarley> Steven_srs: Personal Packaging Archive
[18:36] <kvarley> Steven_srs: It's essentially a repository
[18:37] <kvarley> Steven_srs: Open terminal and type "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/paa" hit enter, then run "sudo apt-get update" hit enter, then run "sudo apt-get install wine1.3
[18:37] <Steven_srs> have no idea what is that, but should i try using the ubuntu software center and go for it, or go to the wine site and grab it from there?
[18:37] <davmor2> Steven_srs: Wine is currently installing on my main 64bit system
[18:37] <Steven_srs> wine 3.1? the software center is talking about 1.2 :s
[18:37] <Darael> Steven_srs: Do what kvarley says - it's the command line version of doing it from the software centre.  Well, with an extra step.
[18:38] <Steven_srs> sorry, 1.3, not 3.1
[18:38] <Darael> Steven_srs: Yeah, wine's been updated since we froze the version in Ubuntu.  That's what the PPA is for.  Don't worry about it.
[18:39] <Darael> except, change kvarley's "ppa:ubuntu-wine/paa" to "ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa".
[18:39] <Steven_srs> was about to ask that now :)
[18:39] <kvarley> Darael: Oooppps my bad
[18:40] <Darael> kvarley: We all make typos occasionally.
[18:40] <kvarley> Darael: :)
[18:41] <Steven_srs> "E: could not get lock /var/lib/............"
[18:41] <null-deimos> Is there an IRC channel for people who know networking? I think that's where I need help first...
[18:42] <Darael> Steven_srs: Wait for any updates or installs that are running to complete first.
[18:42] <Darael> null-deimos: Suggest trying #ubuntu as it's more active in the support department.  Also ##linux.
[18:42] <null-deimos> Ta. Will do.
[18:43] <Darael> null-deimos: Also #networking and, indeed, ##networking.
[18:44] <Darael> null-deimos: For future reference, I did "/msg alis list *networking*" to get those last two.  You may find that useful.
[18:44] <Steven_srs> ok, i redid the "sudo apt-add-rep ....." and it says: error reading https://launchpad ............................"
[18:45] <Steven_srs> ?
[18:46] <Darael> Steven_srs: You said IPv6 was set to ignore - did you mean in nm-applet?  Because if so, it can still cause problems.  I suggest trying "sudo modprobe -r ipv6" to see if it makes your network any more responsive.  It may help with the other, as well.
[18:47] <Steven_srs> modprobe-r: command not found
[18:48] <Darael> Steven_srs: You need the space before the "-r"
[18:48] <Steven_srs> ok
[18:48] <Steven_srs> fatal: module ipv6 not found
[18:49] <Darael> ...of course, my mistake, one moment.
[18:49] <null-deimos> dareal, thanks.
[18:50] <Darael> Steven_srs: I'm not going to try, a reboot would be needed and it would cause you problems within the year.  We'll stick to the other issue.  Does it give you any more info about the error?
[18:52] <Steven_srs> i think i will try to download the recomended upgrades and patches be4 i will look into adding programs
[18:52] <Steven_srs> maybe that way, many problems will resolve themselves
[18:52] <Steven_srs> because i just installed 10.04 lts just today, and the disc was made a few months ago
[18:53] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[18:53] <Steven_srs> don't you think this way i will be avoiding many glitches and bugs?
[18:58] <Steven_srs> and besides, a much more urgent problem appeared: there's a beehive being constructed by some very eager bees right at my window... by the way, how do you call a group of bees in english?
[18:58] <ali1234> i wouldn't bother with the wine ppa, i hear nothing but bad things about it
[18:58] <ali1234> there's a reason why they make two versions
[18:58] <Darael> Steven_srs: A swarm, usually.
[18:59] <ali1234> (it's because one of them is known to break all the time)
[18:59] <ali1234> you should use 10.10 though if you are going to use wine
[19:01] <Steven_srs> well, my luck is that it is a sort of bee that is rather harmless, but hey, harmless or not, i do not feel comfy knowing that a swarm of bees is moving in the neighbourhood
[19:02] <Steven_srs> thanks you all for the great help
[19:03] <Steven_srs> i'll be hanging around because i really would like to try to get rid of windows
[19:03] <Steven_srs> and i'll be needing your help a lot in the future!!!
[19:03] <Steven_srs> cheers
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> \o/ my Kraftwerk LPs arrived
[19:17] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: It's been a while since I saw someone get excited about an LP arriving :)
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I'm always excited when packages arrive :)
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: also, I've only had my record player for a week ;)
[19:18] <davmor2> Oh dear
[19:37] <nperry> I've got an email from play apologising for delay in posting my order
[19:37] <nperry> I got it two days after i ordered it :/
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> nice
[19:38]  * MartijnVdS is still waiting for 2 packages from the uk
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> but I guess they're coming though Heathrow or something
[19:39] <nperry> Bad times
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> In Dutch we call it a "luxeprobleem"
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> ("luxury problem"?)
[19:42] <tunist_> greetings! anyone know why an intel quadcore would bring the 10.10 ubuntu installer to a halt at the point the install displays the core numbers? i have use 32 and 64bit versions.. from a usb key
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> tunist_: at what point of the install does it display the core numbers?
[19:42]  * MartijnVdS doesn't know of such a point
[19:42] <tunist_> its during a period where there is a black screen and white text
[19:42] <Azelphur> core numbers?
[19:43] <tunist_> it usually moves by pretty quickly
[19:43] <tunist_> but it stops at that certain point
[19:43] <tunist_> when it hangs
[19:43] <ali1234> sounds like that old overheating bug maybe
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> acpi issue?
[19:43] <ali1234> but that was fixed ages ago
[19:43] <tunist_> could be acpi..
[19:43] <tunist_> not overheating
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: overheating in the first seconds of the boot run?
[19:43] <tunist_> at least not 'really'
[19:43] <ali1234> does it say anything about thermal zone?
[19:43] <tunist_> no
[19:43] <tunist_> i'm using windows ok
[19:43] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: yeah there was a bug, it wasn't *really* overheating, but it throttled the cpu anyway, endlessly
[19:44] <ali1234> it also filled /var with logs in about a day after install on a typical disk size
[19:44] <tunist_> do i need to disable acpi?
[19:44] <tunist_> maybe?
[19:45] <ali1234> need to see the exact lines to be sure
[19:45] <tunist_> i'm not sure which other similar options are in the bios
[19:45] <tunist_> ok, i'll write them down and look at acpi.. thanks for the pointer
[19:45] <tunist_> :)
[20:01] <tunist> regarding the install issue on the intel quadcore.. i have a screenshot of the black bg and white text.. (the point where the cores are initialized)..
[20:02] <tunist> its at http://www.growforall.co.uk/images/IMG_0360.JPG if anyone will look?
[20:02] <directhex_> disabling acpi means disabling your cores.
[20:02] <directhex_> acpi is needed for multi-cpu
[20:05] <nperry> Life with only one core...
[20:06] <tunist> right, i'll do that again.. i was lg
[20:06] <tunist> logged out of irc
[20:06] <tunist> got a different app now
[20:06] <tunist> so yes.. here is a screenshot of the install text from the quadcore: http://www.growforall.co.uk/images/IMG_0360.JPG
[20:07] <tunist> did i miss any replies?
[20:07] <tunist> thanks
[20:07] <directhex_> 20:02 <directhex_> disabling acpi means disabling your cores.
[20:07] <directhex_> 20:02 <directhex_> acpi is needed for multi-cpu
[20:07] <tunist> there was no option in the bios to disable it anyway
[20:11] <ali1234> i don't see any serious problems in that screenshot
[20:12] <ali1234> wait, does it get stuck at #2?
[20:13] <tunist> yeah, it stops there
[20:13] <tunist> sometimes on one
[20:13] <tunist> or 3
[20:13] <tunist> most often 2
[20:13] <ali1234> something weird is going on there
[20:14] <tunist> i have an abit ip35 motherboard.. and bios updates haven't been available for a while now since abit stopped trading
[20:14] <tunist> however... win 7 is ok
[20:16] <ali1234> unfortunately this is beyond my expertise
[20:16] <tunist> ok, thanks for looking anyway
[20:16] <tunist> i have put a post in the ubuntu forum, so maybe someone there will know
[20:20] <Azelphur> just got a £50 amazon gift card for £37 :D
[20:21] <Darael> Good going, Azelphur.
[20:22] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:22] <Darael> tunist: It may be worth trying in #ubuntu - there's a /lot/ more people in there and they may be able to help.
[20:29] <nperry> Azelphur did you rape that poor person in #Cyanogenmod ?
[20:30] <Azelphur> nperry: quite possibly, if only for £13 xD
[20:30] <nperry> Should of offered £38 :/
[20:31] <jacobw> tunist: try askubuntu.com as well
[20:31] <Azelphur> nperry: haha
[20:38] <AlanBell> hu
[20:38] <AlanBell> hi all o/
[20:41] <Yorvyk> o/
[20:41] <Yorvyk> How’s the party?
[20:43] <nperry> Evening AlanBell
[21:07] <Darael> Does anyone know why my nm-applet is repeatedly being killed on my Maverick box?
[21:15] <kvarley>  Darael: I have that issue too, well it's connecting to auto eth0 but I dont see the applet on the panel
[21:30] <Darael> kvarley: I've reported a bug and am asking in #ubuntu, I'll let you know if I get an answer.
[21:30] <Darael> bug 692835
[21:30] <kvarley> kvarley: Thanks
[21:30] <kvarley> I mean Darael: Thanks lol
[21:30] <Darael> I gathered.
[21:30] <Darael> :P
[22:35]  * kvarley loves Unigine
[22:36] <kvarley> Looks very promising for commercial linux games
[22:44] <Darael> kvarley: Looks very promising indeed.  Interesting that the third platform is PS3 and not Mac, but since I own the former and not the latter, I'm hardly going to object!
[22:45] <kvarley> Darael: Mac has steam support
[22:45] <kvarley> Darael: Loving the fact they don't support xbox360 :)
[22:45] <kvarley> Darael: As soon as somebody makes a multiplayer fps with the unigine engine I'm buying it.
[22:48] <Darael> kvarley: Absolutely.  Although we're supposed to be getting steam support too.
[22:48] <kvarley> Darael: Yes, but do we want it? ;)
[22:48] <kvarley> I see your point tho
[22:48] <Darael> :P
[22:50] <Darael> I have to say I probably won't be buying any FPSen anytime soon.  If someone decides to build a spiritual successor to Black & White, though, I'll definitely buy that.  Shame Lionhead dropped the series, but probably something to do with their getting bought by Microsoft.
[22:53] <kvarley> Darael: I mainly play fps and it's the one thing which keeps windows on my hard drive. Installing the new alien arena now, looks tasty
[22:54] <Darael> kvarley: I recommend Tremulous if you like FPSen.  Good for multiplayer, and has sufficient strategy to keep me interested without putting pure fps lovers off.
[22:55] <Darael> kvarley: ...especially since it's built off the same base as Alien Arena and OpenArena.
[22:57] <kvarley> Darael: I will look at it - Thanks for the recommendation :)
[23:06] <jacobw> hi hamitron
[23:06] <hamitron> hi jacobw :)
[23:06] <hamitron> how things?
[23:07] <jacobw> good thanks :) i'm watching "beautiful equations" on the iplayer
[23:07] <jacobw> you?
[23:07] <jacobw> ergh. this christmas thing should be over already
[23:07] <hamitron> good here thanks, looking forward to xmas
[23:07] <hamitron> haha
[23:07] <hamitron> but there is good food to be had...
[23:08] <jacobw> true, if i wasn't ill i would be enjoying it
[23:09] <jacobw> i think i've hurt some stomach muscles somehow
[23:09] <jacobw> bleh
[23:09] <hamitron> I've eaten a tin of cadbury heroes already :/
[23:09] <jacobw> :o
[23:09] <hamitron> over 4 days ;/
[23:09] <jacobw> ah ok
[23:09] <hamitron> not pigged out in 1 day
[23:09] <hamitron> hehe
[23:09] <jacobw> i thought like, in two hours or something
[23:10] <hamitron> oh no, I am not as hardcore as I once was
[23:10] <jacobw> i prefer pigging out on meat
[23:10] <jacobw> its no wonder i failed in my vegetarian effort
[23:11] <hamitron> you tried? :-o
[23:11] <jpds> jacobw: Have a cucumberburger.
[23:11] <jacobw> managed it for a month
[23:11]  * Darael never failed in their his effort.  Possibly because he was never not veggie.
[23:11] <jacobw> hehe, not such a bad idea
[23:11] <hamitron> the only meal I can think of I would eat with no meat, is cheese and tomato pizza
[23:12] <jacobw> pasta with cheese sauce?
[23:12] <hamitron> but it is so much better with ham on
[23:12] <hamitron> I don't eat pasta
[23:12] <hamitron> or rice
[23:12] <hamitron> ;/
[23:12] <jacobw> i actually enjoyed the vegetarian food, i just craved meat AS WELL
[23:13] <jpds> jacobw: 'tis good to have a balanced diet.
[23:13] <jacobw> yeah, i've been reading about the paleo diet
[23:13] <hamitron> I like sprouts... but a dish full of them is bad
[23:13] <jacobw> i.e. caveman diet
[23:13] <jacobw> lots of fruit and veg and a small amount of meat
[23:13] <jpds> hamitron: Have a sproutburger.
[23:13] <hamitron> :/
[23:14] <hamitron> I am a good hunter... so can I have more meat? ;)
[23:14]  * Darael flee the very notion of a sproutburger
[23:14] <Darael> s/flee/flees/
[23:14] <Darael> hamitron: Tell you what, you can have my meat if I can have some extra fruit.
[23:14] <Darael> Barter system?
[23:14] <hamitron> I just like more :/
[23:15] <jpds> https://twitpic.com/3i6gfy - that is all.
[23:16] <hamitron> wtf is that?
[23:16] <jacobw> toothpaste?
[23:16] <Darael> The worst mince pie ever, allegedly.
[23:16] <jacobw> a hair net?
[23:16] <jpds> hamitron: A question that plagued some of the Xmas party.
[23:17] <hamitron> surely pophey can enlighten us?
[23:17] <Darael> It's a duck!
[23:17] <Darael> Can't you see the duck?
[23:18] <hamitron> I see a penguin
[23:18] <hamitron> ;)
[23:18] <jpds> I'm sure it's not marmite.
[23:20] <hamitron> don't think I can face another pie from the store now
[23:20] <hamitron> :/
[23:21] <jacobw> PIE
[23:21] <jacobw> glorius pie
[23:22] <jpds> jacobw: π ?
[23:22] <jacobw> it looks like a pie..
[23:23] <hamitron> kinky tux in a latex suit, jumping out of a mince pie for xmas
[23:23] <jacobw> and how long did it take to work out how to type that? :P
[23:24] <Darael> I wish there was a compose key combination for π - it's not like compose-p-i is used.
[23:27]  * jacobw didn't know about the compose key before
[23:28]  * Darael doesn't like caps lock, so he remapped it to compose.
[23:29] <Darael> Resulted in considerably less cursing from me.
[23:30] <Darael> ...and it was easy using the keymap options in Ubuntu.  Was pretty happy.
[23:33] <hamitron> I never get around to tweaking things
[23:33] <Darael> I do, because while I spend far too long doing it, I then don't touch things again while I have that computer.
[23:33] <hamitron> ah :)
[23:34] <hamitron> I just leave my linux machines and let them work... saves me enough time to fix the windows machines
[23:35] <hamitron> but I am lazy
[23:35] <hamitron> ;)
[23:36] <hamitron> when I look at the problems I cause for myself, wanting to play games...
[23:44]  * jacobw retires for the evening
[23:46] <eli_> test
[23:47] <eli_> yup
[23:47] <eli_> seems ok to me


[00:17] <fta> dtchen, i can no longer play openarena more than 2 minutes with sound. it becomes silent and forces me to kill it as it refuses to exit (and sucks all the cpu) :(
[00:17] <dtchen> more details, please.
[00:18] <dtchen> i think i'm going to walk around at uds with a "no, i require more details to triage your bug" tee
[00:18] <dtchen> ;)
[00:19] <BUGabundo> dtchen: eheh
[00:19] <fta> well, what do you want to know? openarena looses sound during the game, on exit, it doesn't exit but jumps to 100% cpu. that's with plain karmic
[00:21]  * Nafallo read that as "plastic karmic"
[00:21] <Nafallo> o_O
[00:21] <dtchen> fta: i need to know what audio hardware you're using.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> time to run alsa.sh or ubuntu-bug alsa-base fta
[00:21] <dtchen> also, since i've never used openarena (i guess that's my clue to go read the fine source), i need to know what backend it's using
[00:22] <Nafallo> dtchen: it's only 300MB binaries... :-)
[00:22] <Nafallo> dtchen: have fun! ;-)
[00:22] <dtchen> i also need to know any differences in config between stock karmic and what you're using in terms of conffiles for the entire audio stack
[00:22] <fta> it's a quake like game using sdl
[00:22] <dtchen> namely: linux, alsa-lib, alsa-plugins, pulseaudio
[00:22] <fta> 2.6.30-5-generic
[00:23] <fta> pulseaudio 1:0.9.15-1ubuntu3
[00:24] <fta> not sure about alsa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/173306/
[00:26] <fta> dtchen, ^^
[00:28] <dtchen> fta: really, i need /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[00:29] <dtchen> and ~/.pulse/*.conf
[00:29] <dtchen> (normally i'd ask for http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh to be executed, but BUGabundo already asked above)
[00:30] <dtchen> i just want to add that Realtek is a PITA. That is all.
[00:41] <dtchen> fta: just leave a url for me; i'll check it this weekend. things to try: disable resampling in ~/.pulse/daemon.conf, then killall pulseaudio and allow it to respawn automatically
[00:51] <fta> seems it's either mplayer or openarena, can't seems to have good sound for both :p
[00:56] <fta> dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/173321/
[01:09] <dtchen> yep, just as i thought. realtek.
[01:10] <dtchen> lennart says that openarena must be requesting extremely low latencies, which pa is happy to honour and thus pegs the cpu.
[01:22] <fta> yeahh! "Estimated repository size: 23.0 GiB (100.00%) of 20.0 GiB"
[01:22] <dtchen> sigh, i may as well blog about this mess.
[01:25] <BUGabundo> asac: fta: want to make an extra 1000US$ ? http://blog.dreamhost.com/2009/05/13/broken-browsers-part-one/
[01:30] <fta> not the 1st time i read something about the back button
[01:30] <fta> i'm not interested ;)
[01:34] <BUGabundo> eheh
[03:29] <BUGabundo1> I give up.. time for bed.
[08:58] <stefanlsd> Hey guys. I got a google gears deb i've made that installs the extension to /usr/share/gears (similair to ubufox). I don't get gears in my existing firefox profile though, only in new ones... anyone have any ideas?
[13:02] <stefanlsd> asac: i've put gears into revu!  -  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gears
[13:03] <LaPingvino> hi
[13:03] <LaPingvino> asac, ping
[13:12]  * LaPingvino sees silence here...
[13:13] <LaPingvino> anybody?
[13:13] <stefanlsd> im around kinda
[13:13] <LaPingvino> ah
[13:14] <LaPingvino> asac = gone?
[13:14] <LaPingvino> he told me to nudge him about updating the firefox language packages...
[13:14] <LaPingvino> if he's not here it doesn't have much sence of course
[13:18] <stefanlsd> i guess he's not around
[13:18] <LaPingvino> yeah, well okay :)
[14:58] <LaPingvino> ping asac
[14:58] <LaPingvino> again
[15:21] <fta> LaPingvino, he's not there. and btw, he hates contentless pings ;)
[15:21] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[15:21] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[15:21] <BUGabundo> asac: is this one yours or kernel? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377270
[15:22] <LaPingvino> fta: ah okay :)
[15:22]  * BUGabundo fta makes a joke with pings and LaPingvino nick. everyone laugh
[15:22]  * LaPingvino laughs... forced...
[15:23] <BUGabundo> ahahh
[18:07] <asac> BUGabundo1: ?
[18:08] <BUGabundo1> asac: ?
[18:08] <BUGabundo1> ohh the bug
[18:08] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[18:08]  * BUGabundo1 is slow
[18:08] <asac> BUGabundo1: oh. just saw the ping
[18:08] <Nafallo> asac: ASAC
[18:08] <asac> not the real content
[18:08] <asac> Nafallo: howdy?
[18:08] <BUGabundo1> ASAC = As Soon As Critical
[18:08] <Nafallo> asac: hi :-)
[18:08] <BUGabundo1> always make me laught!!!
[18:09] <asac> BUGabundo1: thats kernel ;)
[18:09] <asac> lol
[18:09] <BUGabundo1> ok asac. I though so
[18:09] <BUGabundo1> that's why I reported is as linux
[18:09] <asac> yeah. its a trace in the kernel
[18:09] <asac> well done
[18:09] <BUGabundo1> _sometimes_ I learn...
[18:09] <asac> BUGabundo1: you could add driver to summary
[18:09] <asac> tbug title i mean
[18:10] <Nafallo> asac: left yet?
[18:10] <asac> Nafallo: no my time starts on wed ... so tue
[18:10] <Nafallo> asac: your time whatnow?!
[18:11] <asac> Nafallo: allhands ;)
[18:11] <asac> LaPingvino: hi. whats up?
[18:11] <Nafallo> asac: sure. except there was something Tuesday evening :-)
[18:11] <asac> hmm. right
[18:12] <asac> but then there is always somthing in the evening ;)
[18:13]  * Nafallo shrugs
[18:13] <Nafallo> will be my first one :-P
[18:14] <asac> hehe
[18:15] <Nafallo> asac: if I ask you about my bag, can you please answer rsync?
[18:15] <Nafallo> asac: and yeah, it's not supposed to make sense right now :-)
[18:15] <asac> absolutely ;)
[18:17]  * BUGabundo1 gets ready to read all about rsync jokes on planet.u.c
[18:17] <LaPingvino> hi asac, how about the language packaging stuff
[18:18] <LaPingvino> and I understand the nicknameproblem now... irc.ubuntu.com is just freenode, so I was colliding with my own presence out here...
[18:20] <asac> LaPingvino: heh. yeah. its a redirect
[18:20] <LaPingvino> going to get a drink... brb
[18:20] <LaPingvino> ah nice... :P
[18:20] <asac> LaPingvino: what in particular is your question wrt language packaging stuff - sorry if i forgot
[18:21] <LaPingvino> it was about the esperanto language pack not being present there... and that firefox language packs are still at 7 while the release used is at 10
[18:21] <LaPingvino> so you told me to nudge you about it
[18:23] <asac> LaPingvino: ;) ... thanks
[18:23] <LaPingvino> remember?
[18:23] <asac> yeah
[18:23] <asac> i remember ;)
[18:23] <LaPingvino> nice
[18:23] <LaPingvino> then I had an 1 added to my name
[18:23] <LaPingvino> for that redirect issue I was not aware of
[18:23] <asac> yeah. sorry. i will remember you nick name better at some point ;)
[18:24] <LaPingvino> never mind :)
[18:24]  * BUGabundo1 wonders how much asac remembers about BUGabundo
[18:24] <asac> quite a lot ;)
[18:24] <LaPingvino> I could name myself "ThatWeirdEsperantoSpeakingGuy..." ;)
[18:24] <asac> constant present pays off
[18:25] <LaPingvino> hehe :P
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> asac: constant nagging pays even more
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[18:26]  * Nafallo wonders how much asac remembers about that guy Nafallo ;-)
[18:26] <BUGabundo1> ahah
[18:27] <BUGabundo1> all this strain on asac memory will endup on stupid bugs from now on
[18:27] <Nafallo> he was actually quite drunk when we had our night together...
[18:28] <BUGabundo1> ahahahahahahahaha
[18:28] <Nafallo> (and yes, I'm lieing ;-))
[19:05] <fta> Rejected:
[19:05] <fta> PPA exceeded its size limit (21554.00 of 20480.00 MiB).
[19:05] <fta> grr
[19:08] <BUGabundo1> ROFL
[19:09] <Nafallo> haha
[19:11] <fta> Rejected:
[19:11] <fta> Unable to find chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090516r16237.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[19:11] <fta> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[19:11] <fta> PPA exceeded its size limit (21224.00 of 20480.00 MiB).
[19:11] <fta> blablabla
[19:12] <fta> i'm sick of this
[19:12] <BUGabundo1> get another PPA
[19:12] <BUGabundo1> lolol
[19:13] <BUGabundo1> I must be the person I know that manages more PPAs
[19:13] <fta> eh?
[19:13] <Nafallo> fta: you have a chance to join the club in #lugradio now ;-)
[19:13] <Nafallo> ehrm
[19:13] <Nafallo> I fail
[19:13] <Nafallo> #launchpad
[19:13] <fta> ?
[19:13] <fta> oh
[19:14] <Nafallo> :-)
[19:15] <fta> oh my! https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:16] <fta> i'd better frag some aliens, it's better for my brain ;)
[19:17] <Nafallo> ehrm. is that full?
[19:19] <BUGabundo1> hey reed
[19:19] <BUGabundo1> glad im not a bull
[19:19] <BUGabundo1> other wise I would be hitting the screen now
[19:19] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[19:19] <BUGabundo1> its ALL RED
[19:25] <asac> fta: yeah ... go fragging ;)
[19:32] <fta> pulseaudio dies when i frag too much, alsa is too jerky to let me frag enough :P
[19:38] <BUGabundo1> fta: cron it to be killed every 15 min
[19:38] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[20:17] <nhandler> I was looking at updating mozilla-stumbleupon. However, it ftbfs. It has http://paste.ubuntu.com/173835/ in debian/rules, and uncommenting that allows it to build. Could someone help me understand what exactly chrome/stumbleupon.jar file is being used for and if it is needed?
[20:20] <gnomefreak> this is new and weird
[20:21] <BUGabundo> hey gnomefreak. welcome back
[20:21] <BUGabundo> where have you bean?
[20:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[20:21] <BUGabundo> what happened to your cloak jonh?
[20:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: taking care of things for my surgery
[20:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: im on icechat and i havent figured it out yet
[20:22] <BUGabundo> surgery?
[20:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: cateract surgery
[20:22] <BUGabundo> what's wrong with you ?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[20:22] <BUGabundo> aren't you young to have that?
[20:23] <gnomefreak> BUGabundogoing on 33
[20:24] <BUGabundo> as I said... to young
[20:24] <BUGabundo> is it that advanced?
[20:25] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yep i am but after talking with one of my doctors i found out diabetes makes you age faster (sometimes) that explqains going bald at 15 and growing a full brreard at ~13
[20:25] <BUGabundo> you are filled of probs...
[20:26] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: in nov 2007 my7 eyes were fine. about 3 weeks ago i had a eye exam and now i have really bad cateracts
[20:26] <BUGabundo> damn
[20:26] <BUGabundo> I had laser lasik to stop using glasses and now 2 y latter I may need glasses again :(
[20:30] <gnomefreak> there now my cloak should be up
[20:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: welcome back
[20:30] <nhandler> gnomefreak: Yep, you have the cloak now
[20:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:30] <BUGabundo> pidgin exec fail
[20:30] <BUGabundo> running on gdb now
[20:30] <gnomefreak> i cant op up :(
[20:30] <BUGabundo> so expect me to disapera again
[20:31] <BUGabundo> why do crashes only happens when we are not logging?
[20:31] <gnomefreak> i dont know enough about pidgin
[20:31] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I'm a member now!
[20:31] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: congrates
[20:32] <BUGabundo> thanks for your support, for my application
[20:32] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: np
[20:33] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need to get some work done
[20:34] <BUGabundo> dinner
[20:34] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:45] <BUGabundo> back
[21:29] <fta> hmm, i like the Samsung ML-1630W
[21:30] <BUGabundo> link ?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I need to get a PIM
[21:30] <BUGabundo> eitehr android g2
[21:30] <BUGabundo> or the new samsung coming late this year
[21:31] <fta> http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=printersmultifunction&type=printersmultifunction&subtype=monochromelaserprinters&model_cd=ML-1630W/XAA
[21:32] <BUGabundo> ahh it's a printer
[21:32] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I was talking about PIMs
[21:33] <BUGabundo> or MIDs
[21:33] <fta> lol, i'm looking for a scanner, eventually printer
[21:33] <fta> this one is ethernet and wifi
[21:39] <BUGabundo> uau


[12:04] <Sammael> Hello all, I have a question about load balancing. Is it allowed to be posted here ?
[12:04] <Sammael> Hello all, I would like to setup a cluster for file sharing over multiple servers. The idea is to start with 2 servers and increase the amount in the future. Is MAAS a good idea for this? The main issue I fear is bandwith there each server will have 200mbps and I would like to use that to the best which is possible.
[22:22] <MrCurious2> DHCP for pxe vm is now working
[22:22] <MrCurious2> its trying to load a config, and busy-waiting
[22:26] <MrCurious2> Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/01-52-54-00-9e-d2-cf
[23:27] <MrCurious2> and we have a PXE VM boot under maas direction!
[23:27] <MrCurious2> woo hoo
[23:34] <MrCurious2> status now ready, but doesnt want to boot again


[06:44] <simenbrekken> Anyone know why this init script might fail? "exec sudo -u ec2-user /usr/local/bin/node /home/ec2-user/myapp/application/api/app.js 2>&1 >> /home/ec2-user/myapp/log/api.log", I don't get any output (even with start -v) and the logfile stays empty.
[19:55] <jMCg> si.. meh. You foolks these days, ay too impatient.