[01:07] <koell> someone here?
[01:09] <knome> !someone | koell
[01:17] <koell> knome: im currently on lubuntu and tried xubuntu now in virtualbox. i really like the look and feel the design team of xubuntu create. it looks much better than the default xfce. i would like to install xfce on my lubuntu machine but with the style of xubuntu. is it possible to do that and how?
[01:21] <knome> koell, you can install the package xubuntu-desktop to get the "full" xubuntu desktop set of packages
[01:21] <knome> koell, note that this will most probably install additional software as well
[01:22] <koell> knome: but i can unwanted software uninstall right? so i get the same xubuntu experience with this package? the same desktop, icons, style <3 ?
[01:25] <koell> man why does xubuntu look so good <3 <3 <3
[01:33] <xubuntu467> hi all, does anyone know how to automate handbrake-gtk from thunar?
[02:47] <xubuntu741> Greetings community How I can change the language of all the system to Spanish?. what are the commands on terminal?
[03:33] <nanotube> ok so... is it possible to force the update manager to just stick itself into the notification area, rather than popping up? after installing some updates that require a restart, it keeps periodically popping up and saying 'zomg restart', and it did that while i was typing, and whamo, accidental restart. this is undesirable.
[04:15] <Unit193> nanotube: gconf seems to have a /apps/update-notifier/hide_reboot_notification var.
[04:32] <nanotube> Unit193: isn't gconf gnome?
[04:33] <Unit193> You can use `gconftool` to set them still.
[04:35] <nanotube> $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/update-notifier/hide_reboot_notification
[04:35] <nanotube> No value set for `/apps/update-notifier/hide_reboot_notification'
[04:35] <nanotube> hmm....
[04:57] <xubuntu772> hi
[04:58] <nanotube> howdy
[04:58] <xubuntu772> how y'all doing?
[04:58] <Unit193> nanotube: I mearly disabled it myself, kept the daemon running for the motd notifications only.
[05:02] <nanotube> mm maybe i'll give it a whirl. or maybe just switch to 'activate focus stealing prevention', though that's been too zealous and doesn't bring up even something i deliberately start.
[05:03] <nanotube> fwiw, i'd really like the old "icon in panel" approach. why did the have to go and ruin a perfectly good update notification...
[05:10] <Unit193> It's a new "feature", but before release wouldn't even let you close it.
[05:21] <nanotube> so... can xubuntu tweak stuff to its own design? or are we mostly stuck with whatever ubuntu pushes?
[05:23] <holstein> nanotube: its not so much 'stuck'.. the packages need to be in the repos
[05:24] <nanotube> holstein: well i meant, either tweak the config, or have a patched package with desired mods?
[05:24] <nanotube> maybe in a special xubuntu-specific repo?
[05:25] <holstein> theres not a xubuntu specific repo
[05:25] <holstein> just the main ones for ubuntu.. but, the configs get set as needed
[05:27] <nanotube> hm so it would theoretically be possible to tweak the default gconf/dconf settings to make update-notifier less insane?
[05:27] <nanotube> and while we are at it, maybe document said settings somewhere.
[05:27] <holstein> its all open, so literally anything should be possible
[05:28] <nanotube> well, anything other than actually modifying the package, it seems. :)
[05:29] <holstein> id be ok if it werent there at all. i dont mind manually updating.. you can see where preferences are challenging to deal with
[05:36] <nanotube> holstein: sure, but it is easy to do what you want - the gui allows unchecking the check for updates box.
[05:36] <nanotube> it is not easy to do what i want, which is to have less obtrusive notifications. :)
[05:37] <Unit193> nanotube: It used to tweak the settings, the settings have been removed.
[05:38] <Unit193> it=xubuntu-default-settings
[05:42] <lalopalo> any good guides on getting catalyst driver properly installed on xubuntu
[05:42] <holstein> !ati | lalopalo
[05:43] <lalopalo> ubottu: TY
[07:26] <xubuntu009> hola
[08:09] <nikolam> I were just going crazy about find using too much cpu and disk
[08:09] <nikolam> and i don't remember telling him to index my disks
[08:58] <simpleuser> Hi there. My left speaker is dead. Is there a way to tell Xubuntu to put all sounds in the right one ? Like switching to mono instead of stereo ?
[09:25] <fibz_> yes
[09:25] <simpleuser> fibz_, ?
[09:27] <fibz_> oh oops. i can because this is Ubuntu Studio
[09:28] <Sysi> pulseaudio settings don't have mono in output options? I can't check right now
[09:32] <fibz_> i'd install qjackctl  click start, then connect then patchbay then repatch both left and right into the working speaker for now
[09:33] <simpleuser> Sysi, don't find any
[09:33] <simpleuser> fibz_, wow, the hard way ^^
[09:34] <simpleuser> It seems i found a way :  amixer sset Master 100%,0%
[09:34] <fibz_> that will get you going untill you find a better answer.
[09:35] <fibz_> there you go
[09:35] <simpleuser> but i'm not sure, i have to find a mp3 that clearly indicates me if i get both sides in my right speaker
[09:35] <fibz_> audacious's visualizer
[09:36] <fibz_> it has a mode that shows left and right separately
[09:36] <simpleuser> great, i test that
[09:40] <Sysi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTvJoYnpeRQ works on html5
[09:41] <simpleuser> Thanks Sysi
[09:41] <simpleuser> doesn't work
[09:41] <simpleuser> :(
[09:41] <simpleuser> i mean the video works ^^
[09:41] <simpleuser> but i don't have mono
[10:09] <AussieDownUnder> Oi nikolam
[12:44] <AussieDownUnder> so erm, lack of hotkey/shortcut keys in xubuntu
[12:44] <AussieDownUnder> How does one acquire some?
[12:44] <GridCube> >settings >keyboard >shortcuts
[12:44] <GridCube> also there are lots and lots of the already
[12:45] <AussieDownUnder> Need hotkey for terminal, system monitor, bringing up & navigating through the menu with a keyboard
[12:45] <GridCube> meta-t
[12:50] <elfy> menu is alt+f1 and arrow keys work afaik
[12:50] <GridCube> AussieDownUnder, there are many shortcuts already, "alt gr"-f1 will call the menu, ctrl-esc the desktop menu, meta-t will call the terminal
[12:51] <GridCube> alt-f2 will call the appfinder
[12:51] <AussieDownUnder> What's the meta key lol?
[12:51] <GridCube> meta is the windows key
[12:51] <AussieDownUnder> Oh, I know it as the Super key, I did look up the other names of it but forgot
[12:52] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: some of the default shortcuts 'call' it Super
[12:54] <AussieDownUnder> Those don't seem to work
[12:54] <AussieDownUnder> I am using the desktop-ubuntu thing for ubuntu
[12:54] <AussieDownUnder> Looks exactly like xubuntu & seems same functionality so far
[12:54] <GridCube> meta-t for terminal, meta-e for text editor... meta-w for "exo-open --launch WebBrowser" XD
[12:55] <GridCube> AussieDownUnder, then you are not using xubuntu
[12:55] <AussieDownUnder> Well those last hotkey worked
[12:57] <GridCube> ctrl-esc should open the menu in any desktop ever
[12:57] <GridCube> well, maybe not "ever"
[12:57] <AussieDownUnder> Brings up what would come up  when you right click the desktop
[12:58] <GridCube> yes, and the last entry is the appmenu
[13:16] <koell> how to get rid of the shortening behaviour with the dots ... ?
[13:47] <AussieDownUnder> All of the extra thinking & responsibility of involved in using xubuntu is somehow making me smarter.
[13:47] <AussieDownUnder> except I can't type
[14:23] <starrats> I've installed irssi on terminal, so how do I get to work?
[14:24] <starrats> currently using weechat
[14:25] <Sysi> run it, connect to networks, join to channels
[14:25] <Sysi> /connect chat.freenode.net ; /j #xubuntu
[14:40] <Arpad2> I have some re-occurring problems with the panel menu button freezing and not reacting on mouse click
[14:42] <SirLagz> anyone had any issues unable to login to xfce ? I can login to OpenBox but not XFCE
[14:43] <SirLagz> xfce just dumps me back to the greeter
[14:48] <flux242> does anybody tried trusty tahr based xubuntu distro?
[14:48] <elfy> flux242: yes
[14:49] <flux242> are you on it now?
[14:50] <xubuntu488> hello everybody
[14:50] <xubuntu488> =)
[14:50] <elfy> flux242: yes I am - but if you've got questions about it that are 'support' then either #xubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1 please
[14:51] <flux242> elfy: no, can you peform a simple test for me?
[14:51] <elfy> flux242: perhaps
[14:51] <flux242> elfy: I just want to know if the case insensitive search for non english file names works in the catfish 1.0
[14:52] <elfy> flux242: I've not got any non-english filenames that I know of
[14:52] <SirLagz> DEBUG: Seat: Stopping display server, no sessions require it
[14:52] <SirLagz> oops
[14:52] <SirLagz> Anyone know why i would be getting that sort of message when I try to login to XFCE ?
[14:53] <flux242> elfy: do you speak english only?
[14:53] <elfy> I'm afraid so
[14:56] <flux242> elfy: well can you create files with the following file names (semicolon separated) then (just copy/paste): Тест;тест
[14:56] <flux242> elfy: and then searh for: тест
[15:01] <elfy> flux242: appeared to work here
[15:02] <flux242> elfy: so has it found 2 files?
[15:02] <elfy> no it found one
[15:03] <flux242> elfy: then it doesn't work
[15:04] <flux242> elfy: ok, thanks, I'll file a bug on the launchpad then
[15:04] <elfy> ok
[15:05] <flux242> elfy: If you create 2 files: test;Test and search for test it finds 2 files
[15:06] <elfy> yep - I can confirm bug when you report it
[15:25] <flux242> elfy: I've created the bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1280607
[15:26] <flux242> elfy: please specify catfish version you use
[15:27] <elfy> flux242: all done
[15:27] <flux242> elfy: thanks
[15:30] <wrongplace> what is a size mismatch? how do I fix it?
[15:30] <wrongplace> W: Failed to fetch http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/desktop/xUbuntu_13.10/./amd64/libowncloudsync0_1.5.1_amd64.deb
[15:30] <wrongplace>   Size mismatch
[15:47] <wrongplace> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/desktop/xUbuntu_13.10/  Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.opensuse.org_repositories_isv:_ownCloud:_desktop_xUbuntu%5f13.10_Packages)
[15:47] <wrongplace> how do I fix that?
[16:56] <sohail-ahmed> I need to edit my sources.list file since I am not being able to install any thing and the default or the one text editor installed is vi. but I dont know how to use it. Is there a command to change the sources.list
[16:56] <sohail-ahmed> and I am on the command line only
[17:02] <holstein> you should have nano as well
[17:02] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ^
[17:03] <holstein> i mean, if you only have the command line, and you want to edif a file, you'll need to learn a command line text editor, or use a live CD
[17:03] <bekks> sohail-ahmed: So which ubuntu are you on then?
[17:03] <holstein> edit*
[17:06] <sohail-ahmed> its ubuntu server 12.0..
[17:08] <sohail-ahmed> yea I guess that might be the only chance, I was hoping to install some graphical interface but this bad source list problem caught
[17:08] <sohail-ahmed> me
[17:08] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you can run "sudo apt-get update" and paste errors
[17:08] <holstein> !paste | sohail-ahmed
[17:10] <sohail-ahmed> holstein, I think that would be possible for me to paste the entire error list, since as you might have guessed I am typing through another system.
[17:10] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: pastebinit near the end of what i linked should help
[17:11] <sohail-ahmed> sorry?
[17:11] <sohail-ahmed> I am on the different system
[17:11] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: pastebin it allows you to boot directly from the command line only system
[17:12] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i understand that.. but, a volunteer here will need to see the specific error messages
[17:12] <sohail-ahmed> yea I agree, but how can I make happen that?
[17:13] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: one way is the suggesting i am making above with pastebin it. you can explore that method and report if you are having issues.. or, use a live cd and edit the fie you are trying to edit in a gui editor from the live environment
[17:13] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if the promblem is "i want to edit my sources file in a GUI" use a live CD
[17:16] <sohail-ahmed> let me try here, you might get some idea. I have already typed 'sudo apt-get update' couple of times since my fresh install an hour ago. So now the "sudo apt-get update " gives: reading package ... Done,  Reading package list .. done , E: unable to locate package update
[17:17] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: and those errors can be because of many things.. not only a bad sources file
[17:17] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: could be you dont have a lock on var
[17:17] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i need more information.. and im not convinced you need to edit your sources file.. and i dont know what you mean by "fresh install"
[17:18] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: is this xubuntu 12.04? ubuntu server 12.04?
[17:18] <sohail-ahmed> ubunut server 12.04
[17:18] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: and you just fresh installed it? and you are trying to add xfce?
[17:18] <sohail-ahmed> yes
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if its a fresh install, nothing is wrong with the source file.. if you didnt break it, its not broken
[17:19] <sohail-ahmed> but nothing is being installed
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: please share more information about the error from "sudo apt-get update"
[17:19] <sohail-ahmed> for example sudo apt-get install gedit
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: sure.. but that doesnt mean the source file is bad
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: what is the error from "sudo apt-get update" ?
[17:20] <sohail-ahmed> not the source file. I mean the default repository selection is bad
[17:20] <sohail-ahmed> I need to change the the repository
[17:20] <sohail-ahmed> its pk.ubunut/archive ....
[17:20] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: its not. nothing you are telling me indicates that is the issue. if its a default fresh install and you didnt break that, it should be fine
[17:21] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i will need to see the exact error.. you are welcome to try #ubuntu-server since that is the operatin system you  are using
[17:22] <sohail-ahmed> do you know how to change the repository through command line
[17:22] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: yes
[17:22] <sohail-ahmed> don't you think that may solve the problem?
[17:22] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: but thats not the issue.. *and* you can change those from a live CD using gedit
[17:22] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: no, i dont.. you havent shared an error with me that makes me think that is the issue. and its a fresh install
[17:23] <holstein> otherwise, a fresh install doesnt have much data in it to protect or backup, and it takes me about 6 minutes to install ubuntu server, so, consider a fresh install
[17:23] <sohail-ahmed> actually I dont know at this point how to share the error or out put from another command line system.
[17:24] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ok.. do you want to use gedit to edit your source file?
[17:24] <sohail-ahmed> yes
[17:24] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you can load *any* ubuntu or linux live CD on the system, and load up gedit and edit the file
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: this will give you gedit in a gui on that hardware running live where you can edit the sources file.. which i do not think is the issue
[17:25] <sohail-ahmed> so there is no work around?
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ?
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ^^ above is a work around.. using vim or nano is a work around
[17:25] <sohail-ahmed> meaning how can I give you my out from the other system?
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i would use pastebinit
[17:26] <sohail-ahmed> would you please ellobrate
[17:26] <sohail-ahmed> I have two pcs
[17:26] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: are you seeing 404 errors?
[17:26] <sohail-ahmed> no.
[17:26] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: then, the sources doesnt seem to be the issue
[17:27] <holstein> what is that error? E: cant do what?
[17:27] <sohail-ahmed> W: unable to connect to pk.archive.ubuntu.com:http...
[17:28] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: load up a live CD and edit the sources as you please
[17:28] <holstein> or, use nano in the command line
[17:28] <sohail-ahmed> so when I would be in /etc/apt/sources.list, should I replace pk.archive... with usa.archive...
[17:29] <sohail-ahmed> ?
[17:29] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: looks just like this from your current system http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Precise_Repositories#Edit_the_repository_sources_list
[17:30] <holstein> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ is a nice source generator
[17:33] <sohail-ahmed> which is more technical to use nano or vi?
[17:33] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ?
[17:33] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: use whichever you can use.. or use gedit from a live CD
[17:34] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: the instructions i linked suggested nano, as did i
[17:34] <holstein> nano is already installed.. and the insructions for how to use it are easy to find and printed in the screen
[17:35] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/reu/nano.html for example
[17:36] <holstein> though, i would just get the sources i want, and copy to a USB stick and mount it and backup the curent one, and mv the new one im place
[17:36] <holstein> this could also be easily done using a live cd if one didnt want to be using the terminal
[17:38] <sohail-ahmed> I have made all the changes I wanted. To be exact, I have changed all "pk.archive.ubuntu.com...." to "archive.ububtu.com....". I think I am right????
[17:38] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i would refer to the source generator i linked to make sure that the sources i want are the ones i have
[17:39] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you should have the current one backed up and know easily how to revert, so trying it wont hurt anything
[17:39] <sohail-ahmed> But I used my sources.list from the xubuntu installation//
[17:40] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i dont know what those are, friend.. but, its your responsibility to make sure you have the proper sources file.. if you have a default xubuntu 12.04 installation, the sources should be fine
[17:41] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you wouldnt, for example want xubuntu 13.10 sources in server 12.04
[17:41] <sohail-ahmed> yea thanks, Its a working xubuntu system through which I am writing to you. I guess that would be a good bet.
[17:42] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: dont "guess".. if its xubuntu 13.10, and you are using those sources in 12.04, thats *bad*
[17:42] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: is that the case?
[17:42] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: be *certain*.. ask.. look.. elaborate
[17:43] <sohail-ahmed> yes, but I have only changed the initial phrases, as "pk.archive.ubuntu....."    to       "archive.ubuntu...."
[17:43] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: friend, use the source generator i gave to generate the sources..
[17:43] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if you want to try what you have done, try it.. know how to revert
[17:44] <sohail-ahmed> ok mate. In the source generator link there is no ubuntu server should I use Precise 12.04 LTS
[17:45] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if that is what you are using.. 12.04.. then yes
[17:46] <sohail-ahmed> its working....
[17:47] <sohail-ahmed> Thankyou God bless you!!!
[17:47] <sohail-ahmed> I have another little question, if you don't mind
[17:48] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: just ask.. a volunteer will chime in if they can help
[17:50] <sohail-ahmed> I have actually installed ubuntu server on my old pentium 4 pc that was just collecting dust. My plan was to use it as a file server. For that I have to install ssh-server on my ubunutu server, correct?? but the problem I am not sure is that ssh may not be able to connect to the server from my office which is behind NAT. What can I do to over come that?
[17:51] <sohail-ahmed> Do I need to buy a domain????
[17:52] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: a domain name? you dont need a domain name for what you are trying to do
[17:52] <holstein> ssh is one way to share files.. there are many others
[17:52] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you want to put your machine at home? the file server?
[17:52] <sohail-ahmed> yes
[17:53] <holstein> nad what "office is behind nat"? where you work?
[17:53] <holstein> and*
[17:53] <sohail-ahmed> yes my office network
[17:54] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: network? or another phyiscal place? not under your control
[17:55] <sohail-ahmed> sorry??
[17:55] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: what office netowrk?
[17:55] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: like, another physical location?
[17:55] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: or, just your office network at home?
[17:56] <sohail-ahmed> meaning in my office I don't connect to internet direectly but through a organizational server, meaning I am behind a router over which I have no control.
[17:56] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: "in your office" like, in your house? or another physical location?
[17:57] <sohail-ahmed> another physical location, the place where I work, my file server/ubunut server would be in my home.
[17:57] <holstein> ok.. so, you have no control over the office.. period
[17:57] <holstein> either you can connect to what you make, or not.. there are tricks for that.. running the servers on common ports they likely wouldnt block
[17:58] <sohail-ahmed> :( I have control over my office but not on the router I am using there.
[17:58] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i suggest a service. something like dropbox, if the office doesnt block it
[17:59] <holstein> otherwise, you set up ssh locally, and test.. then you'll get the IP for your home, you can get that from http://www.whatsmyip.org/
[17:59] <sohail-ahmed> I have a static ip.
[17:59] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you will connect locally to the ip of the box at <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever.. something like that
[17:59] <holstein> then, the static ip that you reference above that you will determine as i indicated will be what you access from the outside
[18:00] <holstein> you will be able to, on your home router, forward the ssh port to the machine.. 22 is the default.. so, you would forward port 22 to <IP_ADDRESS> for example
[18:01] <holstein> you may want a static IP on your lan for that machine.. you may use any domain name to point to the ip of your home.. http://dyn.com/dns/ is what i use.. a free account
[18:01] <sohail-ahmed> so my ubuntu server sets a fixed local ip, the ifconfig gives, <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:01] <holstein> there are many security implications in what you are trying to do that should be accounted for
[18:02] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: it doesnt 'get' one.. you'll give it one if you want it to have one
[18:02] <holstein> i dont know anything about your lan.. typically, next time you reboot, or the power goes off, that server can get *any* other 192.168.1.whatever IP from the router
[18:03] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you configure it to use *.5 all the time.. or something outside the DHCP range.. like <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> Isn't it the case that the server while configuring the network gives itself a static local ip?
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> that wont chaange after a reboot
[18:03] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: no
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> how can I give it a static ip.
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> ?
[18:04] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: not typically.. thats up to you and how you set up your router
[18:04] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: as i suggested, you can give it a static ip oustide the DHCP range
[18:04] <sohail-ahmed> whats the command to set the static ip on my ubuntu server?
[18:05] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: http://askubuntu.com/questions/180925/how-to-setup-static-ip-in-ubuntu-server-12-04 is what i reference
[18:05] <holstein> or, i use the router to "reserve"
[18:05] <holstein> and trust no labels
[18:06] <holstein> sorry.. ignore the labels comment.. for another channel
[18:06] <sohail-ahmed> thanks for link
[18:18] <nanotube> oh and speaking of package management - am i the only one who's sad that synaptic isn't in the default install?
[18:19] <elfy> I'm not sad - easy enough to install it
[18:22] <Random832> Why does the Display Settings window come up whenever i plug in my AC adapter
[18:22] <Random832> or, not always, but sometimes, randomly, it's weird
[19:06] <Belial`> i installed the gnome-shell package in xubuntu 13.10 but when i go to log out/in i don't have an option to pick gnome-shell.
[19:06] <Belial`> just xubuntu session and xfce
[19:06] <Belial`> what am i missing?
[19:15] <krytarik> Belial`: Install the package "gnome-session" too.
[19:16] <Belial`> krytarik, thanks
[19:17] <YuhanS> My laptop is having trouble logging on automatically to wireless. Keep getting authentication box
[19:19] <YuhanS> This just started happening about a week ago. Before that all was fine.
[19:21] <YuhanS> Someone suggested that this  could be a glitch in the gnome keyring.
[19:22] <krytarik> YuhanS: Are you now autologging in too, and before you weren't?
[19:23] <YuhanS> I don't know...I'm completely new to this! I just logged in and asked my question.
[19:24] <krytarik> YuhanS: I mean to your desktop.
[19:24] <YuhanS> I am logged on to my laptop. If I open and shut the lid with the system on it logs in.
[19:48] <xubuntu155> Hello, just trying out this webclient while xubuntu is installing!  Nice feature!
[19:48] <krytarik> !hi | xubuntu155
[19:48] <krytarik> :)
[19:51] <xubuntu155> does the install option to 'skip' while the installation is going on still ensure that the installtion will complete and leave the user with a usable system?
[19:51] <xubuntu155> or should it be used with caution?
[19:51] <arctichenry> Ello all, anyone know of any good ways to get xubuntu to like a mac?
[19:52] <xubuntu155> hello krytarik , thanks for the welcome
[19:53] <krytarik> xubuntu155: Well, since it offers that, it should be fine, though those things will be left non-configured, and may have to be configured later.
[19:54] <krytarik> !mac | arctichenry
[19:54] <arctichenry> Would the install be any diffrent for xubuntu then ubuntu? Any aditional things to consider/do?
[19:57] <krytarik> arctichenry: Oh, you mean Xubuntu vs. Ubuntu - no, not really. :)
[20:02] <arceye> slower than a slow thing compaired to windows, that's all i can say,  but it is free :)
[20:07] <nanotube> elfy: well sure, and i do, but still. :P
[20:08] <Unit193> nanotube: And how to purge software-center and app-install-data* right?
[20:10] <uszasty> Hi. I have problem with my graphics, GeForce 7600GT, from gigabyte. Have installed latest stable properiaty drivers (304.something, installed by ubuntuxtreme script)
[20:11] <uszasty> And after some playing time screen is starting lag
[20:11] <uszasty> Whole screen, and game fps counter don't show any loss or something
[20:12] <uszasty> I'm used mint for some time, and this not occured there
[20:12] <nanotube> Unit193: well i just leave them be, disk space is cheap, but ... yea. :)
[20:16] <uszasty> Anyone? Something? It's making me sad, because mint is something overloaded, and there drivers won't work :|
[20:17] <arceye> uszasty, without sounding all negative and of no help what so ever.   welcome to linux, in maybe 10 years it will catch up ( when enough users move to it for hardware developers to think about support , like that will ever happen ) )
[20:18] <uszasty> Yeah, but i know it's work on ubuntu... well, clone, because I don't have other word to name it, and won't work on ubuntu itself?
[20:20] <knome> arceye, there are other channels to discuss that. please don't do it here.
[20:21] <Unit193> I have 304.88-0ubuntu8 on saucy, I don't see that issue so can't really help.
[20:21] <arceye> uszasty, I have a similar problem, in the last 3 days I have installed and removed 6 different disto's , the only one which gives me hope of working is xubuntu , even that is slower than a PIII 450 running winXP
[20:22] <Unit193> arceye: Go into Window Manager Tweaks and turn off the compositor, should give it some help.
[20:26] <uszasty> Okay, still not perfect, but it's better than nothing :) Thanks :)
[20:26] <arceye> Unit193, I Don't see it
[20:35] <arceye> Unit193, where exactly should I see these tweaks ? in windows manager I see style, keyboard, focus, advanced .
[20:36] <Unit193> arceye: Not Window Manager, Window Manager Tweaks, then the Compositor tab.
[20:36] <arceye> Unit193, and whee exactly do i find that ?
[20:36] <Unit193> Settings Manager
[20:37] <Unit193> (or launch xfwm4-tweaks-settings)
[20:37] <arceye> Unit193, found it , now I need to uncheck enable display compositing right ?
[20:37] <uszasty> Yes
[20:37] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:38] <arceye> Unit193, dont that and what should work differently now ?
[20:39] <arceye> *done even
[20:40] <Unit193> Graphics are likely faster, you disabled the compositor.
[20:40] <uszasty> What it actually does?
[20:40] <uszasty> That compositor thing?
[20:40] <arceye> Unit193, I was hoping the refresh rate of any open window would improve , or is that something else ?
[20:40] <Unit193> Transparency, some "pretty" stuff basically.
[20:41] <uszasty> Ahh, ok, don't need it anyway...
[20:41] <Unit193> uszasty: You'll likely notice the most on that bottom panel.
[20:43] <arceye> Unit193, here is the problems I have, this is whay I have so much negativity ,  opening apps takes forever, refresh rate of windows is visibly very slow , I listen to music streamed from windows media center a lot and when opening any app the music stops until app is loaded
[20:45] <Unit193> arceye: This is actually hardware, not a VM right?  Also, computer specs?
[20:47] <arceye> it is hardware yes,  I am trying to move away from winXP and it's EOL soon, but the performance in the same hardware is falling terribly short
[20:49] <arceye> hardware spec is AMD64 3200+   2GB Ram aith ati 3650 gfx < i know there are some gfx drivers problems and no support but that can't be the answer as I ran ubuntu 10.04 some years ago on the same hardware and it was great
[20:52] <holstein> arceye: you have tried the proprietary driver in lubuntu/xubuntu ?
[20:53] <holstein> arceye: seems like you were here already, and i suggested stock lubuntu and trying the proprietary ati driver for your hardware.. have you?
[20:53] <Slayers> hey all
[20:54] <Slayers> Need some help here, setting my mining rig up
[20:54] <Slayers> anyone got some spare time?
[20:55] <holstein> Slayers: i think the support avenue for whatever mining software you are tyring to use might be "better". though, if you are having specific issues, state them, and a volunteer may be able to assist
[20:55] <arceye> holstein, I was and I tried lubuntu which didn't work, I don't know how to install the proprietary drivers, I am afraid everything which kind of works will die , as it has in the passed
[20:55] <Slayers> I just installed the latest drivers and then rebooted, and had 4 choices to choose from, Ubuntu, memory test, memory test(and alot of text) and something else
[20:55] <holstein> arceye: you need to get to a point where "fear" is not an issue. have your data backed up, and do an install, and test the driver that is likely to make your hardware work best
[20:56] <Slayers> i tried Ubuntu and it was some kernel issues not syncing and VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkown-block or somethin
[20:57] <bekks> Slayers: Did you compile your kernel yourself?
[20:57] <holstein> Slayers: just get us the *exact* error message.. and let us know hwat hardware and drivers yuou tried
[20:57] <arceye> holstein, it's not data loss I am afraid of its the hours of time it takes, is there a point and click install of proprietary drivers or do I have to do command line crap ?  ( not meaning to be offensive here )
[20:58] <holstein> arceye: if you want to try the proper drivers, you will need to try and install the drivers
[20:58] <bekks> arceye: there is no point and click installing game. :)
[20:58] <holstein> arceye: there are many ways.. GUI package managers
[20:59] <holstein> arceye: what i usually do is fire up synaptic and search for the package/s i need/want, and try them based on.
[20:59] <holstein> !ati
[20:59] <holstein> ^
[20:59] <holstein> arceye: this is the "best" next course of action.. the proprietary driver can address the issues yo ustate having
[20:59] <Slayers> Im at the same screen again with these options: Ubuntu, Advanced options for Ubuntu, Memoy test(memtest86+)and Memory test(memtest86+, serial console 115200) which one shall i take to start it properly?
[20:59] <holstein> Slayers: what driver did you install?
[21:00] <arceye> holstein, gui package managers I can handle, they are point and click ,   I have seen that site I think followed it to the letter and ended up fomatting the hard drive 15 minutes later :(
[21:00] <Slayers> http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64
[21:00] <holstein> Slayers: you may need to start by removing whatever you have done, and starting over
[21:00] <Slayers> Those
[21:00] <holstein> Slayers: i would use the ones in the repos.. try removing those and using the ones in the repo
[21:00] <Slayers> repo?
[21:01] <holstein> Slayers: the default version included in ubuntu. in the defaul repos=repositories
[21:01] <holstein> !ati | Slayers
[21:01] <holstein> thats actually good for your issue as well
[21:01] <Slayers> ill check that out
[21:01] <Slayers> i got a guy helping me
[21:02] <Slayers> but he went brb
[21:02] <Slayers> but okay
[21:02] <Slayers> ill check that out
[21:03] <Slayers> btw that is ubuntu
[21:03] <Slayers> is xubuntu and ubuntu same thing?
[21:03] <Slayers> (almost same thing)?
[21:03] <holstein> Slayers: no.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[21:04] <holstein> Slayers: you take ubuntu, and you can make it xubuntu.. it uses the same sources
[21:04] <holstein> the drivers available in the repos for both.. and are the same drivers
[21:05] <Slayers> ok
[21:08] <Slayers> will it help anything for you if i tell my graphick cards?
[21:09] <holstein> Slayers: i have asked that information, but the link should help you determine..
[21:09] <arceye> holstein, is there a list of all the packages I need to install so I can use package manager , If I blindly follow the command line instructions my OS will be broken in no time
[21:10] <holstein> Slayers: one option is, amd has not offered a drvier for you that will support the funcionality you seek in linux
[21:10] <Slayers> oh
[21:11] <Slayers> should i try something else, like BAMT?
[21:11] <holstein> Slayers: you should keep in mind that the vendor hasnt promised you linux support, is my only point
[21:12] <Slayers> ok
[21:12] <holstein> Slayers: you should try the supported driver in the repo that you and arceye are having a hard time installing
[21:13] <holstein> what i do is search for a specific guide.. i'll run "lspci" in the terminal, and take the line there that describes the hardware, and search "that line ubuntu".. not "xubuntu", or "lubuntu"..
[21:14] <holstein> i want to see how someone with that specific hardware deals with it.. basically, you install the module, and reboot...
[21:15] <arceye> holstein, I will do that without a problem, help me add the line I need to the repo for none free and tell me what I need to get, or can I search the repo using "ati 3650 supported drivers"
[21:16] <holstein> arceye: i dont search "the repo".. i search the internet
[21:16] <holstein> arceye: the repo has a few different ati drivers there.. but not many
[21:18] <holstein> arceye: for example, this is someone with your exact hardware http://askubuntu.com/questions/77661/how-do-i-install-ati-radeon-hd-3650-driver-on-my-pc
[21:19] <holstein> there is also the vesa driver to test with.. which, on hardware of that vintage, i would be ok using..
[21:19] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[21:20] <holstein> it would be easy enough, arceye , to put an xorg.conf in place to test with, and see that the driver *is* the issue.. right now, i think you are assuming linux is slow on that hardware
[21:20] <holstein> it might be nice to just take the graphics driver support out of the equation, so you can see if you are interested in running linux or not
[21:21] <holstein> if you had well supported intel hardware, or if the manufacturer allowed ubuntu/linux to provide support for that hardware, you would basically just install the OS, and all the drivers would be there, in the kernel
[21:21] <arceye> holstein, That post was in 2011 things are very different now, I feel like I will be blindly following an out of date tutorial so leading to bigger problems, can you understand my worry here ?
[21:22] <holstein> arceye: not really
[21:22] <holstein> arceye: there is not worry.. just unsupported hardware that you will have to take on the responsiblity of providing the support
[21:23] <holstein> arceye: try the vesa driver, since that is "easy" and see if you want to bother with it
[21:23] <holstein> i realize its frustrating,a nd ideally, AMD would recognize your frustrations, and let the driver be provided.. but, that is likely not to happen anytime soon
[21:26] <arceye> in answer to your previous question of the intel hardware and everything just working then of course I would be interested, I want to run linux for the very reason it's free, I understand it will never stack up to windows, but it's free, I just want it to work
[21:27] <holstein> arceye: well, thats not a question.. just a statement. and its not really about "freedom".. just specifically about linux support
[21:28] <holstein> arceye: its not about "stacking up to windows"
[21:28] <holstein> arceye: that will be a specific opinion.. the support *is* there for many devices, and there is not way windows can "stack up to it" .. but that is not the issue here
[21:29] <holstein> you just have a problematic case.. just as you might have a printer laying about that windows 7 wouldnt work with.. its not a short coming of windows 7 that it cant use that printer.. there is just not hardware support for it
[21:30] <holstein> arceye: that being said, it should be relatively easy for you to try the vesa driver and remove the driver support from the equation on your system
[21:32] <arceye> ok, I am not in any way going to argue which is better, you are helping me and I appreciate it.
[21:32] <holstein> theres a reason why you arent rushing out and purchasing windows8 for that hardware.. its because there is not support for it.. its not a short coming of windows 8 that it doesnt support your hardware
[21:33] <holstein> and ideally, the "help" would come from where it does for windows.. from AMD themselves.. but, thats either not happening for your specific hardware, or not available
[21:34] <holstein> with the popularity of steam coming to linux, this issue of grahpics support is getting *much* better.. but for newer hardare
[21:34] <holstein> hardware*
[21:35] <holstein> nothing linux is doing is making that better.. its just the manufacturers getting involvde in provided the support, since its becoming commercially viable
[21:36] <arceye> I AM buying windows 8 for my gaming pc, and I hear what you say about steam, I was in fact looking to purchase a steam box, but I am going to wait until I see if it fails or not
[21:37] <holstein> arceye: then, you can see *exactly* what i mean in person. you can take win8 and put it on that hardware.. then, you can ask yourself if its somehow a shortcoming of win8 that its not working thre
[21:37] <holstein> there*
[21:37] <arceye> anyway back to the help if possible .. vesa drivers how and where
[21:38] <holstein> arceye: the xorg.conf i linked
[21:38] <holstein> you put in in place, and reboot and test
[21:39] <holstein> arceye: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 is the link.. has the file there.. you save it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:40] <holstein> you can run gedit with admin privs.. gksudo gedit ..it will open.. copy/paste what you find in that link.. save it as "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".. reboot, knowing how to get rid of that file from a live CD or  tty if it doesnt work
[21:41] <holstein> arceye: dont worry about the resolution for now.. simply test this driver  and the responsiveness
[21:43] <arceye> holstein, 2 questions : I dont' have a file called xorg.conf in that location, so do I have to make it ? if I get a blank screen on reboot how do I then fix it ?
[21:46] <arceye> holstein, step 1 how do I actually make this file to put the text into ?
[21:46] <holstein> arceye: you open gedit as adminsitrator using "gksudo gedit" from a terminal. copy paste the contents from that link. specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/6939799/
[21:47] <holstein> then, you *save* it to "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[21:47] <holstein> not x11.. must be "/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:47] <holstein> you wont edit a file there, since there is none.. you will save the contents to that file
[21:48] <holstein> arceye: if you get a "blank screen".. you can load up a live CD and remove "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and get back to where you are. *or* use a tty and do it from the command line
[21:48] <arceye> holstein, liveCD sounds like the plan :)
[21:49] <holstein> arceye: i think its easy, and you'll have a GUI.. a normal filemanager
[21:50] <arceye> I have got the DIR open  but not got gedit installed,  can I use abiword and save it with the correct extension e.i .conf
[21:51] <holstein> arceye: you can do many things from there.. you could use another editor.. you can install gedit.. you can use whatever editor you want
[21:52] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gedit
[21:52] <holstein> gksudo "whateverGUIeditor" and continue from above
[21:57] <holstein> arceye: i also would try and just power through this as quick as possible.. i typically try the 3 (or more) driver options as quick as i can and determine if im going to keep the hardware, and/or what purpose its going to serve
[21:58] <arceye> I am trying, I made the file but I can't save it to the correct dir ( I guess I need to be root to do that )
[22:07] <arceye> sorry, I have made the file ages ago but I can't put it in /etc/X11  no access
[22:08] <knome> arceye, in terminal: sudo cp /path/to/your.file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:08] <knome> (assuming you want to overwrite/copy to the latter location, i'm jumping in from the middle)
[22:09] <arceye> knome,  thanks there isn't an existing file in there so nothing to overwrite
[22:11] <arceye> holstein, file is there, now I just reboot right ?
[22:14] <arceye> holstein, if that file wasn't there to begin with then it isn't being used, so why would it be used now, or it it only used if present ?
[22:14] <knome> arceye, xorg.conf is only used if present
[22:14] <arceye> knome, thanks
[22:15] <arceye> <<---  prepares to reboot fingers and toes crossed and waiting for the gotcha
[22:20] <xubuntu907> hello, everyone
[22:21] <xubuntu907> im having trouble with the installation gui
[22:22] <xubuntu907> does anyone has a problem with installing xubuntu 13.20?
[22:22] <knome> xubuntu907, please ask the real question
[22:22] <knome> that is, describe what is not working in the installation gui
[22:23] <xubuntu907> the screen is incomplete and shaky
[22:23] <knome> xubuntu907, did you try with the "try xubuntu" option?
[22:23] <xubuntu907> and cant see the buttons to go any further
[22:23] <xubuntu907> nope, went right for the installatinon
[22:24] <knome> i would see if that has problems as well before debugging it further
[22:24] <knome> if it has problems as well, you might need to set some more options for the installer to be able to proceed
[22:24] <xubuntu907> right, knome, thanks, im trying it first
[22:24] <arceye> holstein, well..   it rebooted and I now have 2 screens which are mirroring eachother
[22:25] <xubuntu907> it surely has something to do with my nvidia graphics card
[22:25] <arceye> can I change the resolution using settings manager / display , or do I have to edit that xorg file ?
[22:26] <knome> xubuntu907, that's possible
[22:26] <knome> arceye, if the settings manager dialog shows the options (if you have created the xorg.conf file in the right way), of course
[22:28] <arceye> knome,
[22:29] <arceye> ok left screen now has a limit of 1084 x 768, so do I alter that in xorg.conf file
[22:39] <arceye> knome, movie playback is now a slideshow , So I assume the xorg.conf thing wasn't the answer
[22:45] <arceye> how do I delete the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?   I am guessing it will have to be done in terminal but what is command ?
[22:45] <bekks> arceye: USe the configuration program of your graphics driver, you dont need to delete files.
[22:46] <knome> arceye, sudo rm ...
[22:47] <arceye> knome, sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ?
[22:47] <knome> arceye, yes
[22:47] <knome> OTHER USERS: please do not type that command. it might break your system
[22:48] <arceye> sorry for that, it never occurred to me that someone would do that
[22:48] <knome> no problem
[22:48] <arceye> done now so reboot again
[22:52] <arceye> that's better :)
[22:54] <arceye> now.. if I blindly follow this tutorial http://askubuntu.com/questions/77661/how-do-i-install-ati-radeon-hd-3650-driver-on-my-pc   how do I undo it, if it breaks everything ?
[22:55] <bekks> Run the .run with --help and pray it has an uninstall option.
[22:55] <arceye> in fact, sorry I can't follow it, it is directions to uninstall proprietary drivers and I thought I needed to install them
[22:57] <bekks> So uninstall them again, as they broke your system.
[22:57] <arceye> advise me on which package manager to install
[22:58] <bekks> !ati | arceye
[23:00] <arceye> bekks, I'm sorry but I can't follow what it is saying, it goes off on too many tangents, too many ifs and butts
[23:00] <bekks> arceye: you install the driver manually, dont you?
[23:01] <arceye> I don't do anything manually I need a package manager first but don't know which one to get, my xubuntu doesn't have one installed that I can find
[23:02] <bekks> Did you manually install your graphics driver: yes or no?
[23:03] <arceye> I currently have whatever was installed by the OS on clean install
[23:04] <bekks> So you have a package management system called dpkg, and a frontend called apt-get   -- and only these are required for that guide.
[23:12] <arceye> bekks, I am reading that page and can't see where the actual install is done, it gets to the point of how to recover when it breaks ( fills me with confidence ), up to then all it has done is told me how to find out what gfx card I have, then made and edited a new xorg.conf file
[23:20] <krytarik> arceye: Just begin with checking the Additional Drivers tool for any 'recommended' proprietary drivers for your graphics device.
[23:20] <arceye> my current ati drivers are ( I think ) a wrapper provided for Mach64, Rage128, Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream
[23:23] <arceye> krytarik, no additional drivers available , No proprietary drivers in use
[23:25] <impossible> whats the bottom panel called in xubuntu
[23:26] <impossible> dock?
[23:28] <Unit193> xfce4-panel
[23:29] <krytarik> arceye: It seems like, your card as well, isn't supported by the proprietary ATI/AMD driver anymore - in this case, you can only continue using the default, open source 'radeon' on, and live with the performance it delivers.
[23:30] <krytarik> *one
[23:30] <arceye> is that what I already have , from what I just said about the drivers I think are installed
[23:32] <impossible> xfce uses compiz?
[23:33] <krytarik> arceye: Yup - you can verify that with: "lshw -C video".
[23:34] <krytarik> impossible: Nope, not by default.
[23:34] <impossible> great! thanks krytarik
[23:36] <arceye> krytarik, I run that command and get a message you should run is as super user
[23:37] <arceye> krytarik, I do su then it refuses my password :(
[23:37] <krytarik> arceye: Yeah, I know, it still delivers the correct, needed info.
[23:37] <krytarik> *though
[23:37] <bekks> arceye: use sudo, not su.
[23:38] <arceye> ok thanks I though sudo    was short for super user do
[23:40] <krytarik> arceye: Yup, it is - rather than what you've just tried instead, which is -logging in- as root.
[23:40] <arceye> the output is Product RV635 configuration : driver -radeon
[23:40] <krytarik> arceye: And the root account is by default disabled in Ubuntu.
[23:41] <krytarik> arceye: Yup, there you go. :)
[23:41] <krytarik> arceye: Btw, what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[23:41] <arceye> krytarik, so that is what I have , I am using 13. something
[23:43] <krytarik> arceye: Do you have the same issues when running a Live session too?
[23:43] <krytarik> arceye: Because usually the 'radeon' driver should do fine enough at least.
[23:44] <arceye> I would say yes, I ran live only for a few minutes to see if it allowed the use of my dual monitor, once I saw that it did, I installed
[23:45] <krytarik> arceye: Then I'd try it with just the same things you are having issues with currently.
[23:49] <arceye> krytarik, I guess it will have to do, it will work for basic office type stuff and basic net browsing.


[13:31] <stokachu> rick_h_: is the charmstore down?
[13:31] <rick_h_> stokachu: not atm, what's up?
[16:24] <jcastro> hey hatch
[16:24] <jcastro> or frankban
[16:24] <frankban> jcastro: hey
[16:24] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/630361/juju-quickstart-failed-immediately-with-attributeerror-nonetype-object-has-n
[16:25] <frankban> looking
[16:26] <hatch> hey jcastro
[16:27] <hatch> frankban: that's quite odd that we never ran into that in our qa
[16:27] <frankban> hatch: yes
[16:28] <frankban> I wonder what's his output from /usr/bin/ssh-agent
[16:30] <hatch> frankban: you can add a comment to his question and then hopefully he will reply
[16:30] <hatch> and hopefully file a proper bug in launchpad heh
[16:30] <frankban> hatch: yeah I am doing that
[16:33] <frankban> hatch: done
[16:35] <hatch> frankban: technically that should have been a comment and not an answer...;)
[16:36] <frankban> hatch: oops


[09:23] <martin-wohli[m]> hi :) i have this problem that i can't start the ubuntu sdk, because of LXD configuration problems (on 16.10) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide/+bug/1629813 any workaround hints?
[09:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1629813 in Ubuntu SDK IDE "SDK warns about containers being uninitialized but fails while initializing them "lxd-bridge not found"" [Undecided,New]
[22:51] <ObiWanKenobi> open source newbie here! Looking for open source projects to contribute to for linux-app-devel. Where do check if projects are looking for contributors?
[22:54] <mcphail> ObiWanKenobi: try pinging popey during European working hours if you would like to contribute to the Ubuntu core apps
[22:56] <mcphail> ObiWanKenobi: basic rule of thumb is _every_ project is looking for developers ;)


[09:53] <ktt___> Hello all. Lubuntu 19.10 beta (downloaded today) and VirtualBox 5 (as in Lubuntu 18.04): has someone managed to install the 19.10 beta into a virtual machine?
[09:54] <ktt___> In my experiments, the installation has now crashed twice and the virtual machine has just "aborted".
[09:54] <ktt___> 4096 MB memory, 4 cores, 40 GB disk.
[09:55] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[09:56] <tomreyn> i wouldn't recommend using virtualbox as packaged in ubuntu, though, better use kvm-qemu or upstreams' virtualbox packages.
[09:56] <tomreyn> there are numerous bugs in 5.x
[10:06] <ktt___> Ok, so it seems. On Windows, virtualbox 6.0, the installation went through pretty much fine. Now I'm installing Vbox 6.0 to Linux and testing there.
[17:59] <treekeko> snap installs dont work, how come?
 unless you've installed snapd you can't run snaps
 I don't think Lubuntu ships `snapd` by default
[18:00] <treekeko> app gets installed but wont run
 and you've tried to run it?
[18:00] <treekeko> wont run
[18:00] <treekeko> this output:
[18:00] <treekeko> /snap/jdownloader/7/wrapper: 3: /snap/jdownloader/7/wrapper: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java: not found
[18:02] <treekeko> 2019/10/07 20:01:34.539984 cmd_linux.go:85: cannot open snapd info file "/snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info": open /snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info: permission denied
[18:03] <treekeko> (now - after installing snapd - i get the second one)
[18:03] <treekeko> snapd = snappy-debug ?
 no
 snapd is the thing that runs snaps
 you weren't precise with your issue earlier
 > /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java: not found < that's your issue with your jdownloader snap
 it needs Java available/installed and you don't have it installed
[18:04] <treekeko> because i installed snappy-debug but then it said snapd was installed
 you don't need snappy-debug.
 but you DO need Java installed
 which you don't seem to have installed based on that error
[18:05] <treekeko> so what is everything i must do now?
[18:06] <treekeko> now i only get the second one: 2019/10/07 20:01:34.539984 cmd_linux.go:85: cannot open snapd info file "/snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info": open /snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/info: permission denied
[18:06] <treekeko> but i didnt install java
[18:06] <treekeko> what does this mean?
[18:07] <treekeko> is the java package called "java"
[18:08] <treekeko> ?
[18:09] <treekeko> so if i understood correctly i must first install java and then snapd, right?
 you already have snapd installed
 you need Java
[18:11] <treekeko> i think snaps should be made easier, they should work right away, i tried 4 or 5 and none worked right away...
 not all snaps are made the same
 nor does Lubuntu or Ubuntu have any control over them directly 😜
 you can attempt to install default-jre to see if that works
 but it might not with that version of JDownloader in the snap
[18:12] <treekeko> it might not?
[18:12] <treekeko> so how to do it?
 very hard to explain to a non-developer - but under the hood it may use Java things that're too old or too new depending on what's installed.
 try and install default-jre and see if it works
 if it still doesn't work/run then you'll have to contact the developers of that snap itself and get assistance from them
 because it could be a problem with the snap itself
[18:13] <treekeko> what about that wrapper thing, what does that mean?
 that's the program that is inside the snap being run.  Its error was actually stating this: /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java: not found
 which is why I said you don't have Java installed/available
[18:15] <treekeko> ok i'll try with default-jre
[18:15] <treekeko> thanks
[18:16] <treekeko> should i uninstall snappy-debug?
 yes
[18:17] <treekeko> what's the command to remove snap?
 `sudo apt remove snappy-debug`
 you don't need to remove snapd or the JDownloader snap necessarily though
[18:19] <treekeko> when you install snaps from the software center there's that permissions button... nothing needs to be done there?
[18:20] <treekeko> i havent touched it
[18:20] <tomreyn> no i dont think you need to change it
[18:21] <treekeko> ok thanks
[18:21] <tomreyn> those two options should be fine there by default https://i.imgur.com/o8sDwzp.png
[18:21] <treekeko> ok
[18:22] <tomreyn> but indeed this is not so useful:
[18:22] <tomreyn> x@x:~$ /snap/bin/jdownloader
[18:22] <tomreyn> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:22] <treekeko> i dont understand
[18:22] <treekeko> im beginner
[18:23] <tomreyn> it crashed on a default ubuntu installation
[18:23] <treekeko> i tried many snaps and none work
[18:23] <tomreyn> then i suggest you draw your own conclusions from that
[18:23] <treekeko> snap sucks :)
 or those snaps are built for newer OSes or other libraries and software that are not available for your system.  Or those specific snaps are just poor.
 ... or Lubuntu and Snaps just don't get along
 which is @tsimonq2's viewpoint on the subject
[18:24] <treekeko> life was easier before (snaps)
[18:25] <treekeko> also i dont understand why some software is only available as snaps
[18:25] <treekeko> some has both options, but some only snaps
[18:26] <treekeko> we need lubuntu to be easy if we want it to conquer the world :)
[18:26] <treekeko> this stuff is too complicated for most people
[18:27] <treekeko> including me
[18:27] <treekeko> :)
[18:28] <treekeko> we just need it to press the button and work right away, like everything was before
 snaps supposedly are made for simplicity for the developer. \me don't like snaps so can't help, consumes to much resources.
[18:31] <treekeko> ok im going, thanks all


[08:47] <mapreri> please look at pages like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus/1.4.2.dfsg.3+r18267-1 I think that the Uploaded by: field shoud contain the content of the Changed by: of the .changes field (which is the one listen in changelog)
[10:09] <dpm> hi wgrant. I've got a translator who cannot upload .po files to LP. I'm not sure if it's related to the timeouts conversation we were having. But here's the oops he gets: OOPS-28cfaf4aa3226acb83ad58fce13cbdaa
[10:10] <dpm> wgrant, is this something where he just needs to retry the upload?
[10:10] <dpm> or does it point a problem with imports?
[10:14] <cjwatson> dpm: Retry; that was a librarian failure overnight, now fixed
[10:14] <dpm> great, thanks cjwatson
[10:14] <cjwatson> dpm: a.k.a. https://wiki.canonical.com/IncidentReports/2014-07-21-LP-librarian-ids-out-of-range
[10:14] <dpm> ok, thanks, I'll tell the translators
[13:04] <LiamW> Loggerhead down?
[13:06] <LiamW> Now it's working again
[15:25] <igalic> Hey folks o/~
[15:26] <igalic> I'm getting an upload error, https://gist.github.com/igalic/57c881686c4c2d5d3bd9 that doesn't seem to be covered in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors -- i created this source with dpkg-buildpackage -S, and uploaded it with dput % dput ppa:apache-helpdesk/httpd-ppa apache2*2.4.10*source.changes
[15:34] <shadeslayer> igalic: you need to pass -S -sa
[15:34] <shadeslayer> igalic: because there2.4.10
[15:34] <shadeslayer> igalic: because there's no 2.4.10 apache2 tar on launchpad
[16:04] <igalic> shadeslayer: ACK.
[16:09] <hakermania> How is it called that when you upload a new bzr revision it automatically builds a new PPA? I guess something like "Soup" or?
[16:09] <hakermania> (soup is wrong)
[16:10] <shadeslayer> recipe
[16:11] <shadeslayer> hakermania: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes
[16:11] <hakermania> shadeslayer, thanks. I really need something like it :)
[16:31] <dobey> recipes don't build for every revision


[00:01] <orias> chris4585: how much stuff are yoiu trying to recover?
[00:02] <chris4585> orias, a few gbs
[00:03] <chris4585> actually probably more than a few
[00:07] <chris4585> orias, I pretty much want to recover everything in ~/
[00:11] <orias> ahhh lost ~?
[00:11] <orias> you can , but its going to be ugly as far as filenames
[00:12] <orias> you need to ensure that you recover drive A onto drive B, otherwise you risk overwritting data. make sure that the destination drive has plenty of room
[00:13] <chris4585> orias, somewhere during upgrading ubuntu, ~/ went missing
[00:14] <chris4585> short story, I should have backed up first
[00:21] <orias> was it on a spereate partition?
[00:21] <orias> *separate
[00:22] <chris4585> nope
[00:22] <orias> ahh
[00:22] <orias> youi should always out ~ on a different partition
[00:23] <chris4585> personally I don't like doing that
[00:23] <orias> really? saves alot of heart aches
[00:24] <orias> especially during upgrades or new installs
[00:25] <orias> decided on what you want to do?
[00:27] <chris4585> usually I do fresh installs, I just copy my files from my external hdd
[00:27] <chris4585> well I'm on the phone atm, but I'm going to look up some syntax or how to use it
[00:29] <orias> photorec is pretty easy, select the correct drive, then go through the options
[00:31] <chris4585> do you just run photorec and then get a menu?
[00:33] <orias> yeah
[00:34] <orias> sudo photorec
[00:34] <orias> then select the right drive
[00:34] <chris4585> do I have to have it mounted?
[00:34] <orias> yeah
[00:34] <chris4585> ok
[00:35] <orias> then choose "continue" when it asks about hidden partitions
[00:35] <orias> then EFI GPT >
[00:36] <orias> then whole disk> then filetype (ext3/4)
[00:36] <orias> then *imoortant* make sure you choose the right drive to put the recovered files in :)
[00:37] <orias> then hit "y" to start the process :)
[00:38] <orias_> heh
[00:38] <chris4585> hrm okay
[00:38] <orias_> you want to
[00:39] <orias_> change the file types it looks for, unless you want to get *everything* back
[00:39] <orias_> srsly *everything* even little cache files and thumbnails 0.o
[00:40] <chris4585> I'm at the part where it says "Disk /dev/sda - 500 GB / 465 GiB (R0) - etc... Unknown.  Search?
[00:40] <orias_> do you want to get everything back? (takes a while)
[00:40] <orias_> or a more targeted approach?
[00:41] <chris4585> I want everything in a specific partition / folder
[00:41] <orias_> its going to scan for everything it can
[00:41] <orias_> g
[00:41] <chris4585> so Partition - Unknown ?
[00:42] <chris4585> and hit search?
[00:42] <orias_> you're at the first menu?
[00:42] <orias_> ahh the last menu
[00:42] <orias_> did you make sure to chose the correct destination?
[00:42] <chris4585> Search - Options - File Opt - Quit
[00:42] <orias_> if so then select search and the process will start
[00:43] <orias_> you can choose options to narrow your search
[00:43] <chris4585> orias_, when it asks for a drive, is that where it wants to search or... destination? its not very clear
[00:43] <orias_> but for now if you want choose search, then ext3/3xt4 for file type
[00:43] <orias_> first choice is source
[00:44] <orias_> ie what you want to look through
[00:44] <chris4585> ok
[00:44] <orias_> tell me when your done
[00:44] <orias_> with that
[00:44] <chris4585> ah okay
[00:44] <orias_> at the ext screen yet?
[00:44] <chris4585> yes
[00:45] <orias_> choose ext2/ext3
[00:45] <orias_> new screen? with .
[00:45] <chris4585> ok
[00:45] <orias_> ..
[00:45] <orias_> bin
[00:45] <orias_> boot etc?
[00:45] <chris4585> its showing me ~/ on the livecd
[00:45] <chris4585> but yeah
[00:45] <orias_> choose ..
[00:45] <orias_> then go under media
[00:45] <orias_> and see if another drive is present
[00:46] <orias_> choose ..t all the files it finds.
[00:46] <orias_> choose wisely
[00:47] <orias_> this is where it will put all the files it finds.*
[00:47] <orias_> once you find your desired destination, press y to start the process
[00:49] <chris4585> hrm okay
[00:49] <orias> how goes it?
[00:50] <chris4585> I made a dir named RECOVERY on my external HDD, select that dir then hit y?
[00:50] <orias> yes
[00:50] <orias> then come back in 3 days
[00:50] <orias> :p
[00:50] <chris4585> interesting, so there's no way to narrow down what folder I want to recover?
[00:50] <orias> nope
[00:50] <orias> only thing you can use to narrow it down is file type
[00:50] <orias> ie
[00:50] <chris4585> ah okay, here goes nothing!
[00:50] <orias>  jpeg mp3 txt
[00:51] <orias> good luck! you did choose the right destination right ?
[00:51] <orias> 0.0
[00:51] <orias> just making sure :)
[00:51] <chris4585> yes
[00:51] <chris4585> on the external hdd..
[00:51] <orias> \0/
[00:51] <chris4585> lol
[00:51] <chris4585> orias, thanks for your help
[00:51] <orias> np
[00:51] <orias> what region of tn are you in?
[00:52] <chris4585> never done this before, hope I get what I want
[00:52] <orias> you'll get *everything*
[00:52] <chris4585> orias, well I moved 2.5yrs ago, but I lived in Kingston
[00:52] <orias> :)
[00:52] <orias> where at now?
[00:52] <chris4585> orias, right now I'm in Fl, above Tampa
[00:52] <orias> nice
[00:53] <chris4585> orias, will it really take 3 days? lol
[00:53] <orias> it depends on how big the drive is
[00:53] <orias> it scans from start to finish :)
[00:54] <chris4585> partition itself is 367gbs, and it probably only has 20gbs or so on it
[00:54] <orias> niceheh
[00:54] <orias> figure about 15 minutes for 8 gigs
[00:54] <orias> so....
[00:54] <orias> 11.5 hours/
[00:54] <orias> ?
[00:55] <chris4585> strange, it seems to be recovering files from my windows partition, is that normal?
[00:56] <orias> it'll get *everything*
[00:56] <orias> :)
[00:56] <chris4585> ok, its a bit strange how it recovers with the odd filenames, anyway it will sort this in the directories they were in?
[00:59] <orias> nope
[00:59] <orias> its like dumping out your desk into the bed of a truck
[00:59] <orias> :)
[00:59] <orias> but at least you get your stuff back :)
[00:59] <cyberanger> chris4585: sorry, that's what I get for stopping in the shop on a day off
[00:59] <cyberanger> drafted
[01:00] <orias> lol
[01:01] <cyberanger> orias: thanks, that was more or less the method I had in mind myself
[01:01] <cyberanger> (I usually use mutiple methods, redundancy never hurt a geek
[01:02] <cyberanger> after all)
[01:02] <orias> lol
[01:03] <cyberanger> orias: I did think it could be a little more selective, to at least a partition
[01:04] <chris4585> are there any methods that will retain file names?
[01:05] <chris4585> orias, recovery is complete o.O
[01:05] <cyberanger> chris4585: considering what happened, not really
[01:06] <cyberanger> the headers are altered, possibiltiy of more than that too
[01:06] <cyberanger> for the extra hassle, it's usually not worth it for mp3's or pictures
[01:07] <chris4585> hrm...
[01:07] <chris4585> it only recovered 511 mp3s, I expected about 2,500
[01:07] <cyberanger> becuase the ID3 tags should have data in them (and a tool can read the tags and sort them) and pictures usually being random anyhow (DSC1000X and such)
[01:07] <cyberanger> huh, odd
[01:08] <cyberanger> chris4585: is there still free space on the drive?
[01:09] <chris4585> cyberanger, there should be
[01:11] <chris4585> there we go... its getting more mp3s this time
[01:11] <chris4585> but that still doesn't save the id3 tags..
[01:12] <cyberanger> chris4585: really, no id3 tags
[01:12] <cyberanger> did you have id3 tags before
[01:12] <chris4585> yep
[01:12] <orias> well its better than a total loss
[01:12] <chris4585> is there some sort of special option for that.. ?
[01:13] <orias> did you soecify any file types?
[01:13] <chris4585> mp3s and brute force
[01:14] <cyberanger> not sure why it has no id3 tags now
[01:15] <chris4585> well if I had them, I could simply rename the files
[01:17] <cyberanger> well, this is progress though
[01:18] <cyberanger> orias: ever used foremost
[01:18] <cyberanger> ?
[01:34] <orias> nopr
[01:36] <orias> headed to the house... hope you find what you're looking for chris4585
[01:37] <chris4585> orias, thanks for the help
[02:38] <orias> i wonder how it turned out for Chris...
[02:43] <cyberanger> unusual for him to part channel
[02:43] <cyberanger> connection perhaps
[03:20] <chris4585> cyberanger, I think I have some very good news
[03:22] <orias> ?
[03:22] <orias> how'd it go?
[03:22]  * orias is thinking about moving to Debian
[03:22] <chris4585> I found a dir in /home named .ecryptfs/chris/.Private and it seems to be ~43gbs
[03:22] <chris4585> so I don't think its deleted, just encrypted..
[03:22] <chris4585> not quite sure how to get it unencrypted though
[03:22] <orias> encrypted home partition?
[03:22] <orias> sweet
[03:22] <chris4585> its whatever ubiquity did to it...
[03:23] <wrst> glad you got it going chris4585
[03:24] <chris4585> I'm very glad too... now to figure this encryption stuff out
[03:24]  * wrst is reading the backlogs
[03:36] <chris4585> this is very frustrating
[03:36] <orias> ?
[03:37] <chris4585> I don't know how to get my data unencrypted
[03:38] <orias> http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2010/09/26/accessing-your-encrypted-home-directory-in-ubuntu/
[03:39] <orias> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually
[03:40] <cyberanger> chris4585: ok, that's doable then
[03:40] <cyberanger> shame on it not asking, but that really really makes sense
[03:41] <cyberanger> and you might just need to login to it to unlock it (it's supposed to be tied to that and scripted)
[03:41] <cyberanger> orias: again, thanks for being speedier than me
[03:41] <orias> we're all here to help, in any way we can :)
[03:42] <cyberanger> orias: and about moving to Debian, it's my job to suggest otherwise, but that's gotten harder for me to try lately
[03:42] <orias> hah
[03:42] <wrst> orias: why considerng moving to debian?
[03:42] <orias> been thinking about crunchbang as well, but i dunno
[03:43] <cyberanger> since I've gotten more debian loyal than ubuntu now
[03:43] <orias> I want to keep learning
[03:43] <chris4585> this is giving me a headache
[03:43] <cyberanger> crunchbang is nice, I've made my own build like it off ubuntu
[03:43] <chris4585> I've tried: ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/.ecryptfs/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[03:43] <chris4585> but then it asks for a passphrase..
[03:43] <cyberanger> as has chris4585 (it's just openbox nitrogen conky & tint2 )
[03:43] <orias> didi you ever save the passphrase it generated during the orignal install?
[03:44] <orias> heh
[03:44] <cyberanger> orias: that assumes it did give it to him, which sounds highly unlikely
[03:44] <orias> :/
[03:44] <chris4585> orias, it was saved I believe
[03:44] <cyberanger> chris4585: did you try your username password there?
[03:44] <cyberanger> your login account
[03:45] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah no go
[03:45] <cyberanger> ugh
[03:45]  * cyberanger hands chris4585 a glass of vodka, raises a toast to the perfect and sometimes elusive upgrade
[03:45] <orias> which guide did you try to use?
[03:46] <orias> wanna go through he second guide step by step?
[03:46] <chris4585> right now I'm looking at this http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2010/09/26/accessing-your-encrypted-home-directory-in-ubuntu/
[03:46] <orias> try the one from ubuntu's help docs
[03:46] <orias> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually
[03:46] <cyberanger> chris4585: that one has better luck
[03:47] <chris4585> alright
[03:48] <cyberanger> chris4585: you'll need another step for that too
[03:48] <cyberanger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Mount%20Passphrase
[03:48] <cyberanger> to get the mount passphrase
[03:48] <cyberanger> shoot
[03:49] <chris4585> give me a few minutes
[03:49] <chris4585> agh, today has just been a big headache
[03:49] <cyberanger> chris4585: this should NOT work anyhow /home/.ecryptfs/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase should NOT exist
[03:50] <cyberanger> /home/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[03:50] <chris4585> cyberanger, I took the steps to do it correctly on my system
[03:50] <chris4585> I'm getting off the livecd and booting up..
[03:50] <cyberanger> ok
[03:51] <chris4585> this might have been my problem all along..
[03:51] <cyberanger> (just noticed though, that would explain ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase not working as expected)
[03:51] <chris4585> :/ got a kernel panic
[03:51] <chris4585> cyberanger, well I figured that, thats why I'm trying from the install..
[03:51] <chris4585> but looks like I might have to chroot..
[03:51] <cyberanger> how long till you get cable?
[03:52] <chris4585> cyberanger, about a week or so
[03:52] <cyberanger> ouch, was thinking if you could run live, backup everything now, everything clear at least (vs encrypted) and then come back to this with a netinstall
[03:52] <chris4585> cyberanger, would chrooting into my borked up system possibly yield results with ecrypt?
[03:53] <cyberanger> just nuke the issue
[03:53] <chris4585> the issue right now is I'm getting a kernel panic..
[03:54] <cyberanger> chroot from the live disc and try?
[03:54] <chris4585> yeah
[03:54] <cyberanger> could
[03:54] <chris4585> lets find out..
[03:54] <cyberanger> did ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase not work?
[03:55] <cyberanger> (note that is a different filepath than what you put above)
[03:56] <cyberanger> orias: I have never seen ubuntu write that mountprase to stout
[03:56] <cyberanger> so one could write that down
[03:57] <cyberanger> idk if that's ubuntu dumbing down or a bug (I'll settle for both)
[03:58] <orias> i remember the installer asking me to take note  of a long string, i sent it to myself to make sure
[04:02] <chris4585> I think my system is very borked
[04:02] <chris4585> apt-get: command not found
[04:02] <chris4585> :|
[04:05] <cyberanger> well, the usual idea is to take the path of least resistance (aka KISS)
[04:05] <cyberanger> and I do agree, back up what you can, reinstall
[04:05] <chris4585> yes, this is becoming a bit of a hassle
[04:06] <cyberanger> just a bit ;-)
[04:06] <chris4585> cyberanger, I have an idea, if the password is the same on a similar system could I copy the .ecryptfs dir to the similar system and try?
[04:07] <cyberanger> no, since the password should still be decrypting that file now
[04:07] <cyberanger> but did you get the right file, /home/user/.encryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[04:08] <chris4585> yes I have that file..
[04:08] <cyberanger> cause before you ran the command differently, to a nonexistent path
[04:08] <orias> keep fighting the good fight :)
[04:09] <cyberanger> if ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/username/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase doesn't work, sorta screwed
[04:10] <cyberanger> your login password unlocks that, which has the mount password to unlock the rest
[04:10] <cyberanger> a two step
[04:11] <chris4585> cyberanger, well I have the files, but they're on a borked system
[04:11] <cyberanger> and that's where this gets to be an issue, it's not system and files, and afaik, changing your password with a tool like passwd isn't enough in itself
[04:12] <cyberanger> well, backing them up doesn't hurt
[04:12] <cyberanger> just a matter of how borked they are, what they'll be good for
[05:01] <chris4585> I'll let you guys know if I get something going.. right now I'm going to install 10.10 on the same system to do some repairage
[08:02] <chris4585> I think I'm getting somewhere
[08:05] <cyberanger> chris4585: at three hours I'll let you tell me if that's good or bad
[08:06] <chris4585> cyberanger, lol well I think I have everything I need.. its a bit confusing though
[08:06] <chris4585> fallowing that guide, all I'm able to do is mount my .Private encrypted folder somewhere else, and its not un-encrypted then..
[08:06] <chris4585> I'm trying to figure this out
[08:07] <cyberanger> well, we're here to help, just so long as you don't cut the blue wire, we'll be good
[08:07] <cyberanger> ;-)
[08:07] <chris4585> cyberanger, it took 3hrs to install a fresh ubuntu on my desktop :P
[08:08] <chris4585> partitioning this drive takes a while
[08:09] <cyberanger> ouch
[08:11] <chris4585> it seems I'm not having an issue with the passphrases but its not decrypting anything :/
[08:13] <cyberanger> so you have your mount passphrase, used it to mount the encrypted folder, and nada
[08:13] <cyberanger> ?
[08:13] <chris4585> yeah it mounts, but not decrypts..
[08:14] <chris4585> that is what appears to be happening
[08:21] <cyberanger> chris4585: chance there is nothing to decrypt
[08:21] <cyberanger> nuked home, then created encrypted home
[08:22] <cyberanger> or copied home, created encrypted home, snafu goes here
[08:23] <chris4585> cyberanger, that doesn't explain the ~40gbs the .Private folder is showing
[08:31] <chris4585> darn, looks like I"m going to have to resize this partition..
[08:31] <chris4585> fun
[08:31] <chris4585> bbiab
[08:38] <chris4585> setting up the partitions will take all night, I might as well sleep
[14:47] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[15:39] <vychune> o/
[20:19] <cyberanger> wrst: might I ask a favor
[20:20] <wrst> sure cyberanger
[20:20] <wrst> what can i do for you?
[20:20] <cyberanger> I might not be at tommorow's meeting, celbrating a birthday a day late
[20:21] <cyberanger> if I'm not, and nobody gets the memo (email to the list, typing it now) let them know
[20:28] <wrst> ok need me to send an email cyberanger?
[20:30] <cyberanger> no, just if your at the meeting, or anyone else that's briefed (which should be everyone on the list, you and our leaders seperate) and someone wonders, let them know
[20:30] <cyberanger> I'm getting us an adgenda for once
[20:30]  * cyberanger hasn't been the best leader on matters of documentation


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[19:16] <jcastro> Heartsbane: ping
[22:30] <Heartsbane> jcastro: pong (just got in the door)
[22:31] <jcastro> Heartsbane: ah, no worries.
[22:31] <jcastro> Heartsbane: I've started filling out the schedule
[22:31] <Heartsbane> ah the days of catching up...
[22:32] <Heartsbane> jcastro: you have a link you could PM me?


[05:46] <micahg> hi, does DEB_BUILD_ARCH = armel for the native builders?
[08:02] <hrw> morning
[09:59] <lool> micahg: Yes; but it's usually a bad idea to check this
[11:09] <StaRetji> is there a link for geexbox image for arm platform?
[11:53] <ogra> looking at the u-boot packaging i now understand why lool didnt want to do the package split
[11:53] <ogra> sigh
[11:56] <ogra> no compat file, no build deps, debian/rules looks horrid ...
[11:57] <ogra> why cant people just use a proper build system instead of making up debian/rules by hand
[12:04] <lool> ogra: I actually committed an u-boot-tools package in the Debian git repo this morning
[12:04] <ogra> oh, cool
[12:05] <ogra> this rules file is just painful
[12:09] <ogra> lool, any ETA when that will be in debian (i need it asap so i'm pondering to add it as patch for ubuntu)
[13:40] <apw> GrueMaster, can you remember what failed in your testing of omap from natty master
[13:53] <micahg> lool: what's the proper way to check if something is an arm build vs not arm?
[13:57] <hrw> micahg: 'arm build' as 'build on arm' or as 'build for arm'?
[13:57] <micahg> hrw: build on arm
[13:58] <hrw> 'uname -m' may be but debian packagers will want to kill you for it probably
[13:59] <micahg> right, I was looking at DEB_BUILD_ARCH, but apparently, that's not the best way?
[14:03] <hrw> micahg: why you need check?
[14:04] <micahg> hrw: --enable-thumb2 fails the firefox build on non-armel builds
[14:04] <hrw> ah
[14:05] <hrw> rules2:  ifneq (,$(findstring $(DEB_TARGET_ARCH),armel hppa ia64 sparc))
[14:05] <hrw> micahg: so use DEB_TARGET_ARCH check
[14:06] <hrw> DEB_BUILD_ARCH = amd64 DEB_TARGET_ARCH = armel is 100% proper btw
[14:06]  * micahg is getting DEB_TARGET_ARCH not supported on maverick
[14:07] <hrw> let me check how gcc do that
[14:07] <lool> micahg: It's uncommon to check the architecture of the buildd
[14:07] <lool> micahg: Usually you test what you're building /for/
[14:08] <lool> DEB_HOST_ARCH is the Debian architecture of the machine the package will run on
[14:08] <hrw> rules.defs:  TARGET_VARS := $(shell dpkg-architecture -f -a$(DEB_TARGET_ARCH) 2>/dev/null)
[14:08] <hrw> rules.defs:DEB_TARGET_ARCH              ?= $(call vafilt,$(TARGET_VARS),DEB_HOST_ARCH)
[14:08] <hrw> ops
[14:08] <lool> micahg: It would also be best to test the GNU CPU or something similar rather than the Debian architecture name; for instance the Debian armhf port is very similar to armel, but wont be covered by your test
[14:09] <hrw> sorry - it is done by different way in gcc
[14:10] <lool> micahg: Perhaps you could explain your specific problem?  I'm not sure I can comment on which var you should use, as you only asked about native builds but I might have missed when you explained what you're building
[14:10] <lool> hrw: The packages like gcc which have the concept of a target architecture are fairly rare
[14:10] <micahg> lool: well, I need to add a build option to arm only for firefox
[14:11] <lool> micahg: Right, that's a good example of a case where you'd test DEB_HOST_ARCH, and *not* DEB_BUILD_ARCH
[14:11] <lool> micahg: The main difference is when cross-compiling; when cross-compiling, DEB_BUILD_ARCH might be amd64 while DEB_HOST_ARCH is still armel
[14:12] <micahg> ah, so HOST_ARCH is the right one, ok, that's good to know for the future
[14:18] <micahg> thanks lool
[14:27] <janimo_> micahg, I think it's a simpler change to not check at all and let ff configure drop the option if it is not suitable for the current arch
[14:45] <micahg> janimo: I tried with it on for amd64 and the build failed
[14:47] <janimo> micahg, did it pass march arm to gcc?
[14:47] <lool> micahg: Just saw your firefox changes; would you mind if we discussed these for a sec?
[14:48] <micahg> lool: actually, I'm about to catch a bug, can we chat in a few hours?
[14:48] <micahg> *bus
[14:48] <lool> micahg: Sure; I will send you an email
[14:48] <micahg> janimo: I have to check the build log
[14:48] <janimo> lool, you mean the change in the latest upload or something else?
[14:48] <micahg> lool: thanks
[14:48] <lool> janimo: Yes, the THUMB2 one
[14:49] <janimo> lool, I suggested that one to micahg to fix the FTBFS. Tested on a panda before that.
[14:49] <janimo> the details may need to be done differently but I think that flag needs to be passed
[14:50] <lool> janimo: Yup; do you want to be Cc:ed?
[14:50] <janimo> lool, sure
[14:50] <lool> Hmm apt-cache showsrc janimo wont give me your email address
[14:50] <janimo> jani at ubuntu.com
[14:51]  * lool <- tired
[14:51] <lool> janimo: thanks
[14:59] <ogra> lool, is there any ETA for the debian u-boot upload or do we need to add the package split as ubuntu patch to get it in this week ?
[14:59] <ogra> (i think you disconnected above when i asked before)
[15:08] <lool> ogra: I've contacted Clint this morning to ask him to review these changes; they will hit Debian NEW in any case, so that will probably take some time; however, it wouldn't be too bad to copy the NEW package in Ubuntu
[15:09] <ogra> lool, do you get any notification you could forward if that happens ?
[15:12] <ogra> (i mean if it hits NEW, I'll care for teh sync requests etc)
[15:54] <lool> ogra: Unfortunately, one can't sync from NEW; if I'm doing the upload, I'll tell you once it's done
[15:54] <ogra> thanks
[15:58] <GrueMaster> Morning (barely).
[16:00] <GrueMaster> ogra: rsalveti:  apw: The issues I saw with the previous omap kernel prior to the break was that it literally didn't boot.  I couldn't get any feedback past u-boot loading the kernel.  Not even output from earlyprintk.
[16:02] <GrueMaster> I'm installing the new kernel now.
[16:10] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: yeah, I'll also try it here, and then try to fix it if it doesn't work
[16:11] <GrueMaster> Hmm.  Currently, it appears to be stuck on installing the linux-headers package.
[16:13] <apw> installing things in general is slow i think if you have the older dpkg
[16:13] <rsalveti> doesn't seems to boot, will now debug to see why
[16:13] <GrueMaster> Looks like I was getting a segfault loop of some sort.  Rebooting.
[16:14] <apw> rsalveti, thanks
[16:14] <apw> rsalveti, are u gettting any console output at all ?
[16:15] <rsalveti> apw: nops
[16:15] <apw> rsalveti, that sound fun to debug
[16:16] <rsalveti> apw: :-)
[16:16] <ogra> sounds like an issue with the console driver
[16:17] <ogra> do you have a monitor attached or do you try purely with serial ?
[16:17] <rsalveti> hm, ok, got something with earlyprintk
[16:26] <davidm> folks, the weather report for Dallas is cold next week Daytime 8.3C and nighttime -2.77  Colder then usual around here
[16:26] <davidm> For some of you that is warmer then you are at but for us it's cold
[16:28] <rsalveti> ouch, very cold for me hehe
[16:28] <rsalveti> it's around 30C everyday around here
[16:28] <rsalveti> good to know
[16:29] <GrueMaster> I vote we relocate to Sao Paulo.
[16:29] <rsalveti> hehe :-)
[16:29] <ogra> at least i wont catch a cold
[16:30] <ogra> we have constantly around -3°C here (day and night)
[16:34] <rsalveti> ogra: apw: GrueMaster: ok, did boot, you now need to use ttyO2 instead of ttyS2, like panda
[16:34] <rsalveti> because of the newer console driver
[16:35] <ogra> awesome
[16:35] <rsalveti> but I'm now getting tons of mmc i/o errors
[16:35] <rsalveti> probably a different issue, more debugging
[16:35] <GrueMaster> I had tried that when I tried the older kernel.
[16:35] <apw> rsalveti, sounds good!
[16:35] <rsalveti> apw: will test it more around here, and compare the config with linaro's one
[16:35] <apw> GrueMaster, the kernel he is testing is two -rc's newer than the one you tested before xmas
[16:36] <GrueMaster> I know.
[16:36] <GrueMaster> Just saying that I had tried both serial port settings.
[16:38] <apw> GrueMaster, good to know, as that means things have improved by osmosis
[16:41] <rsalveti> apw: ogra: GrueMaster: full maverick desktop up and running
[16:41] <rsalveti> rebooted and now I didn't get any i/o error
[16:42]  * rsalveti trying again
[16:42] <ogra> wohoo
[16:42] <ogra> apw, so can we get omap3 back ?
[16:42] <rsalveti> no calltrace during the bootlog
[16:42] <rsalveti> I believe this could be a good start
[16:42] <rsalveti> then we can just improve over the time, with more testing and etc
[16:43] <ogra> yeah
[16:43] <rsalveti> at least I believe it's good enough to get images
[16:45] <apw> rsalveti, did you say that you have booted this one successfully ?
[16:45] <ogra> yes he did :)
[16:45] <rsalveti> apw: yup, 2 times
[16:45] <apw> GrueMaster, does it boot for you too ?
[16:45] <ogra> who cares about GrueMaster :P
[16:45] <rsalveti> let me know try with a normal beagle
[16:45] <rsalveti> tried with a beagle-xM
[16:45] <rsalveti> *now
[16:45] <GrueMaster> I'm having other non-kernel related issues atm.  Will try again shortly.
[16:45] <ogra> he always manages to break even the super solid things ;)
[16:46] <GrueMaster> It's my job, that's what I do.
[16:46] <GrueMaster> I was hell with my toys.
[16:46] <ogra> lol
[16:47] <rsalveti> haha
[16:48] <apw> ogra, ok tehcnically i can get this renabled yes, so you are going to use this kernel not the linaro in your images, thats the decision
[16:49] <apw> and your team is going to sign up to keeping it tested and working
[16:49] <ogra> yes
[16:49] <ogra> and yes
[16:49] <rsalveti> :-)
[16:50] <GrueMaster> bring it, big guy.
[16:52] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Did your patch for the serial port error on XM ever get integrated into the maverick kernel?
[16:52] <ogra> i think i saw some noise about it this week
[16:52] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: it's commited already I believe
[16:52] <rsalveti> let me check again
[16:54] <ogra> yup, mail says "applied"
[16:55] <GrueMaster> ok, haven't seen it in proposed yet.
[16:55] <ogra> not uploaded
[16:55] <apw> yeah -proposed is somewhat behind Fix Committed over this xmas perios
[16:55] <rsalveti> not uploaded, it's commited at the master-next
[16:55] <apw> period
[16:56] <rsalveti> ogra: apw: GrueMaster: ok, also working fine at my beagle c4
[16:56] <rsalveti> so it seems to be good enough
[16:56] <ogra> yay
[16:57] <apw> ogra, so we are saying beagle is the target for the omap kernel
[16:57] <ogra> apw, XM
[16:57] <rsalveti> apw: yep, xM will be our main use case
[16:57] <rsalveti> as it's now quite popular
[16:57] <rsalveti> and faster than a normal beagle
[16:57] <apw> so the acceptance criteria for that omap kernel is 'works on Beagle XM'
[16:58] <ogra> ++
[17:00] <rsalveti> yup
[17:04] <loafhead> MADISON, Wis. - Madison police are looking for a burglar who gave back a bottle of tequila after the homeowner hit him in the head.
[17:04] <loafhead> oops
[17:04] <loafhead> wrong window ;)
[17:27] <rsalveti> apw: the config seems fine comparing with the older one from maverick and with linaro's one
[17:28] <apw> rsalveti, thanks for the confirmation
[20:52] <GrueMaster> My 8G Class 10 SD cards finally came in.  Woohoo!
[20:53] <rsalveti> luck bastard
[20:58] <armin76> 8g class= nice, new class? :D
[20:59] <ogra> class 10 isnt that new
[20:59] <ogra> rsalveti, do you need any? i can buy them at the discounter and bring you some to the rally
[21:00] <rsalveti> ogra: would be good to have, I have none around
[21:00] <rsalveti> ogra: how much it cost usually around there?
[21:00] <ogra> i'll have to check, i'll just bring a few, if you dont want them (or they are to expensive) i'll take them back again
[21:01] <rsalveti> ogra: cool, would like at least 2 :-)
[21:01] <ogra> ok
[21:01] <rsalveti> np, just to know, here the problem is that I can't find them easily
[21:01] <rsalveti> or without spending too much money
[21:01] <GrueMaster> I bought 2 8G for just under $30.  Last cycle, they were $45 each.
[21:02] <rsalveti> nice, good price
[21:02] <GrueMaster> amazon.com