[09:01] <HappyFool> J0el: have you tried to use apt-get instead? perhaps you'll get a more meaningful error message
[09:01] <Choubaka> newbies don't care. only powerusers do.
[09:01] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : slackware users dont know anything about gdm, look on freshmeat, slackware is thee most popular linxu
[09:01] <ompaul> hondje, he has to find startx or some such but that is for him, the rest of us can get on with our lives
[09:01] <Choubaka> and powerusers should know about gdm.
[09:01] <kbrooks> i wannt xorg
[09:01] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: most popular on freshmeat.
[09:02] <kbrooks> apt-get install xorg?
[09:02] <HappyFool> J0el: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list here: http://rafb.net/paste/
[09:02] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: I'm willing to be most slackware users do know about gdm.
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : i'm a power user, i know as much about linux as the top 5% in this channel
[09:02] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: debian/ubuntu users,at least, don't tend to search freshmeat
[09:02] <stazz> How to change the order of soundcards in ubuntu?
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> but gdm was damn annoying
[09:02] <dimeo> Here's my noobish  reason why I like Ubuntu today:   I spent hours learning geeky commandlines , but I didn't work 10 hours to pay for my software.
[09:02] <J0el> HappyFool, yes i will in a sec.
[09:02] <Choubaka> and you didn't know about gdm?
[09:02] <linukso> lsuactiafner: then turn it of...
[09:02] <hondje> lsuactiafner: that's how gdm always behaves though, in all distros I've sued
[09:02] <HappyFool> kbrooks: try "apt-cache search xorg"
[09:02] <hondje> s/sued/used
[09:02] <Choubaka> a rare case. :/
[09:02] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: is it possible that you're just upset because your computer outsmarted you?
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> gdm aint in the distroes ive used..
[09:02] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: it's in most desktop distros.
[09:03] <delire> dimeo: hehe interesting evaluation of chosen circumstance
[09:03] <Choubaka> and it should be so.
[09:03] <littleworm> how can i restore my last configuration that worked?
[09:03] <Choubaka> it may not be in slackware, but slackware sure as hell is not a newbie distro.
[09:03] <medkit> under /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/ide/pci are, among other, two modules: hpt366.ko and hpt34x.ko. In the Kernel headers makefile i find them referenced with obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X)  and obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366). I have a hpt372 pci ide controller and the attached harddrives are not detected.
[09:03] <TTilus> littleworm: last conguration of what?
[09:03] <lsuactiafner> argh cmon zealots, its clear that gdm forces a user to do something and that ubuntu development should add an option to drop to the console and to close down the gui if the user wants it
[09:03] <signius> is anyone else having problems with http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:03] <Amaranth> Choubaka: between xdm, gdm, or kdm pretty much every distro that isn't DSL is covered
[09:03] <Micksa> TTilus: I think he means like in windows
[09:03] <Micksa> for booting
[09:03] <hondje> lsuactiafner: durng a ctrl-alt-backspace?
[09:03] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, it is in mandriva, redhat, and suse or one of its cusions is  get a bit more life experiance - I first coded in cobol 25 years ago and I still know very little :)
[09:03] <signius> i am getting erros when trying to use synaptic or apt-get
[09:03] <hondje> If you're doing that, how's it going to ask what you want?
[09:04] <TTilus> Micksa: ummh...  ah
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> read what i said and drop your zeal for ubuntu, i'm giving you guys a very good suggestion, not telling you ubuntu sucks
[09:04] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: there is, it's "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[09:04] <dimeo> Why do I dislike living in a hightech world today?  My wife unplugged a USB device and it blew the fuse on the powersupply of the computer.  But the fuse is  *not*replaceable.  :( wtf?
[09:04] <littleworm> TTilus: i tried to apply the tvout connection and i can only get to the user choosing menu
[09:04] <delire> dimeo: the command line is a gateway to many excellent things. most of the servers in the world speak the language of your terminal.
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> if i didnt like ubuntu i wouldnt run it
[09:04] <linukso> lsuactiafner: if you want that, then you prob. dont need gdm, just use startx...
[09:04] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Ok, that sounds reasonable. Go code it yourself or file a big report. :)
[09:04] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: what sugesstion?
[09:04] <Amaranth> err, -s
[09:04] <stazz> How to change the order of soundcards in ubuntu?
[09:04] <linukso> lsuactiafner: but I'm shure its a gdm option
[09:04] <spanglesontoast> sleep 3s xmms /home/edd/music/queen.mp3
[09:04] <nalioth> dimeo: no shit? fuse blew on a usb removal?
[09:04] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work
[09:04] <Amaranth> err, +g
[09:04] <Choubaka> err.
[09:05] <Choubaka> bug report, even
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : A GReAT cOMMAND IF GDM WAS MeNTIONSeD  WHeN I TRIeD TO KILL X
[09:05] <delire> dimeo: and equally applicable on OSX, albeit OSX is extremely inflexible and resistant to modification of most kinds.
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> but it wasnt..
[09:05] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: we can't put EVERYTHING in dialog boxes, there'd be too much for most people to deal with
[09:05] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: the user already has that option via ctrl+alt+F[1-7]
[09:05] <J0el> HappyFool, Here i think this is it ..http://rafb.net/paste/results/TkBwnF61.html
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : ever heard of just displaying info in the corner of the screen?
[09:05] <nalioth> delire: ya got that right about osx, thats why i run ubuntu on this mac
[09:05] <TTilus> littleworm: every time you try to turn tvout on (?) you get thrown out and login screen comes up?
[09:05] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: you know gdm and xdm (its predecessor) have been around for years now?
[09:05] <Micksa> decades even
[09:05] <dimeo> nalioth I'm guessing that when the USB device was instantly powered off, the computer powersupply had a drain on it that caused the fuse to blow
[09:05] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Don't do that again, please.
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i tried to install nvidia drivers, X must be killed for that
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> dropping to console that way didnt work
[09:05] <Micksa> they're really nothing new or radical
[09:05] <delire> nalioth: excellent move ;) i run it on a g4 tower at work for the same reason.
[09:06] <Choubaka> Oh well.
[09:06] <holo> lsuactiafner: wow you use the word kill too many times. you must be obcessive with killing
[09:06] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: you don't need to kill X to install the Nvidia drivers.
[09:06] <holo> kill! kill! kill!
[09:06] <littleworm> TTilus: i've config it, restarted, and now i can only reach the user choosing menu
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : my point is this: there should be an option to drop to console and to close X
[09:06] <nalioth> delire: since yer work G4 is wired, you are in great shape, i don't run linux on my new mac cuz the apx doesnt work (yet)
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : yes you do.
[09:06] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: there is
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia' appears to already be loaded in your kernel.
[09:06] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, emm you don't
[09:07] <spanglesontoast> how do I use sleep????
[09:07] <lsuactiafner> you cant unload it unless X is dead
[09:07] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: all you needed to do is log in to X Window System using the 'nv' driver, make the changes requested on wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, then restart gdm
[09:07] <HappyFool> J0el: hmm
[09:07] <holo> crimsun: just stop X, don't kill it.. killing is bad attitude
[09:07] <HappyFool> J0el: looks ok, i think
[09:07] <delire> nalioth: ahah, shame. any day now. torvalds develops the linux kernel on a Mac ;)
[09:07] <hondje> hrm, I can't remove postfix?
[09:07] <TTilus> littleworm: was "it" a distro package or what?
[09:07] <nate__> is there a gnome menu editor?  and if so, what is it and where can i find it?
[09:07] <Chetic> What kernel version do I have? :\
[09:07] <crimsun> holo: I didn't mention killing X Window System
[09:07] <J0el> HappyFool, yea it should be.
[09:07] <nate__> Chetic, uname -a
[09:08] <nate__> Chetic, somewhere in there
[09:08] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: sorry but I don't think anyone is going to agree that there be a "drop to console" button in the X login screen.
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: have you  tried installing the packages via apt-get instead of synaptic?
[09:08] <TTilus> littleworm: like was "it" part of ubuntu distribution?
[09:08] <Chetic> ok thanks nate__
[09:08] <TTilus> littleworm: and what "it" is?
[09:08] <littleworm> the ati driver, rglx or something
[09:08] <delire> fglrx
[09:08] <littleworm> yes
[09:08] <J0el> HappyFool, im not sure , is the naming of the packages the same?
[09:08] <lsuactiafner> you know what, i'm giving user feedback and its damn good feedback, dont bash me for telling you the distrobution aint perfect
[09:08] <nalioth> delire: yes i'm sure come monday when the hippos take to the sky, and the whales become amphibous meat eaters, we'll have our APX drivers
[09:08] <TTilus> ati... dunno about that
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: or alternatively, starting synaptic from a terminal ?  (sudo synaptic) -- you might see an error message on exit
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: pretty much
[09:08] <dimeo> delire: I've also found that what I can do with one string of text, would have cost $75 worth of software, and required going to the store to buy or browsing the web to find a download.  Once I've learned the commandline in linux, I can copy it to a text file for future reference.   With a gui I have to remember when menu setting and so forth... Command line is just *different* than most windows users are used to using
[09:08] <lsuactiafner> becuase there aint a system thats perfect
[09:08] <delire> nalioth: hehe
[09:08] <stazz> Is there any way to change the order of soundcards ????
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: yes
[09:08] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: the Ubuntu way of enabling the Nvidia driver (since it's installed by default) does not require that you kill X manually.  INFIDEL!
[09:09] <HappyFool> J0el: sorry, for a moment wasn't sure about package naming in synaptic, but it's the same
[09:09] <nate__> is there a gnome menu editor?
[09:09] <nate__> i wanna edit my start menu
[09:09] <littleworm> TTilus: is there a way i can restore the last configuration that worked?
[09:09] <TTilus> littleworm: sounds pretty weird if your X starts but doesn't let you to log in
[09:09] <J0el> HappyFool,  I just tried apt-get 3ddesktop , i get ' E invalid operation
[09:10] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: now if you're accustomed to installing the Nvidia driver manually, yes, you'll have to go through that whole process of stopping gdm - but why would you? It's so much easier the Ubuntu way (wiki/BinaryDriverHowto).
[09:10] <delire> dimeo precisely! my gf has great difficulty with GUI's but really took to the commandline. her reason? "I like to talk to my computer."
[09:10] <HappyFool> J0el: apt-get install <packagename>
[09:10] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: hate to break it to you but linux is becoming more like windows. in some ways, at least.
[09:10] <TTilus> littleworm: no if you did not back up "last configuration"
[09:10] <J0el> HappyFool, oh sorry.
[09:10] <nate__> anyone?
[09:10] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i know as much about linux as you do, i had trouble installing the driver and i had trouble with gdm, i dont think i'm the only slackware user that will have the same problem, therefore, as you would help a newb help a power user also, do things right from the ground up
[09:10] <linukso> nate__: take a look at ubuntuguide.org
[09:10] <HappyFool> nate__: someone here (Amaranth? similar nick) is writing a menu editor
[09:10] <Amaranth> HappyFool: hihihi
[09:11] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: err, you had trouble _installing_ the driver? They're installed _by default_.
[09:11] <nalioth> nate search uncle google for "smeg" or google ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ for menu editor
[09:11] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: do you know about "ps -H"?
[09:11] <Amaranth> linukso: the one on ubuntuguide.org is _old_
[09:11] <shinu> when i put a mv job in the background, when it finishes, what does the + or - after the job number means?
[09:11] <J0el> HappyFool, Yo dude it works throught the terminal :)
[09:11] <J0el> through*
[09:11] <HappyFool> Amaranth: you writing smeg ? or is it another A*
[09:11] <Amaranth> HappyFool: me
[09:11] <littleworm> TTilus: it's like that: i write my username and password, log in, there's that brown screen and then it turns black and returns to the user choosing menu
[09:11] <lsuactiafner> when something is done in the background that the user doesnt know about inform him in some way
[09:11] <shinu> [1] -  Done                    mv <== here for example
[09:11] <signius> solved it
[09:11] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: no? didn't think so. cos then you would have discovered gdm a lot more quickly.
[09:11] <linukso> Amaranth: ah, hm. sorry, didn't know that. thanks for correcting me
[09:11] <Micksa> and you keep calling youself a power user ;)
[09:11] <HappyFool> J0el: hmm, ok. Sorry don't know what the problem is, but i hope you can work with apt-get
[09:11] <HappyFool> Amaranth: nate__ wants the editor ;)
[09:11] <J0el> wonder whats the prob with synaptic though.
[09:11] <Amaranth> linukso: backports has the latest version
[09:11] <Chetic> How come apt-get never works for me? It never tries to download anything.. it seems to only look at local files
[09:11] <signius> somehow wireless card had screwed up DNS removed card and plugged back in resolved issue
[09:12] <Amaranth> linukso: so does breezy universe :D
[09:12] <TTilus> littleworm: you could try to restore /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or reconfigure X
[09:12] <HappyFool> Chetic: you need to make sure apt is configured to use internet repositories
[09:12] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : `ps aux | grep Micksa | grep -v grep | kill -9 | awk '{print $2}'` ;
[09:12] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: seriously, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is installed by default, and it includes nvidia.ko. The _only_ thing you had to do was enable the glx config, then restart gdm. There was absolutely no need to install the drivers manually.
[09:12] <linukso> Chetic: something must be wrong with your sources?
[09:12] <J0el> HappyFool, thx .. i should have used my brains better :|
[09:12] <nate__> Amaranth, why isn't smeg available in the repos?
[09:12] <HappyFool> J0el: well, synaptic should work ;)
[09:13] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : the default kernel didnt even boot my pc up
[09:13] <Micksa> not that I mean to be pedantic or anything :)
[09:13] <Micksa> it's past my bedtime
[09:13] <transgress> now isn't there a way to purge your system to get rid of old files left behind by stuff installed with apt-get?
[09:13] <Amaranth> nate__: It's in backports. It wasn't ready when hoary shipped.
[09:13] <Chetic> sorry HappyFool but, how do I do that?
[09:13] <Amaranth> nate__: hoary doesn't change, it's stable
[09:13] <HappyFool> Chetic: are you running hoary (aka Ubuntu 5.04) ?
[09:13] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: what sort of adjustments did you make for it to boot?
[09:13] <Chetic> yes HappyFool
[09:13] <transgress> nm i remembered it
[09:13] <dennis__> Whats a good ftp program for gnome?
[09:13] <littleworm> TTilus: i'll try it, thanks
[09:14] <nate__> Amaranth, i have backports in my repos, but i had to change it around when they pointed everyone to their mirrors
[09:14] <TTilus> littleworm: this would go to sleep now, hope you get it working
[09:14] <J0el> HappyFool, it works well with some packages , with some it dosent .
[09:14] <HappyFool> Chetic: easiest way is to use synaptic, Settings -> Repositories -> Add
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: ok...
[09:14] <nate__> Amaranth, But I still can't find smeg in them, what repo entries are in your sources.list?
[09:14] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i sshed into a gentoo amd64 system and compiled my own kernel, then from slackware i installed lilo and the boot record
[09:14] <Micksa> I KNEW IT
[09:14] <J0el> I wonder , any Indians around here?
[09:14] <HappyFool> Chetic: synaptic is available via System -> Administration -> Synaptic (in gnome)
[09:14] <Chetic> HappyFool, I don't have X running.. it doesn't start, says no screens are available
[09:14] <Kyynara> I'm asking just out of curiosity, if it is possible to use i.e. Debians librarys in ubuntu?
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: i don't have backports in my sources.list, i'm on breezy
[09:14] <HappyFool> Chetic: ah
[09:14] <J0el> hello to all :)
[09:14] <nate__> Amaranth, ahhh, ok
[09:14] <lsuactiafner> the default ubuntu kernel didnt see my harddisks
[09:14] <dennis__> Does anyone know of a good ftp program for Gnome?
[09:14] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: yes, but what did you modify?
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: all i know is it's in there somewhere, try the mirrormax one
[09:14] <linukso> dennis__: gftp
[09:14] <hondje> dennis__: gftp
[09:14] <nalioth> Kyynara: better to build from source
[09:14] <delire> dennis__ gftp
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: it might be in staging, actually
[09:14] <stazz> Has anyone got an idea of how to change the order of sound cards?
[09:14] <delire> there you fo
[09:14] <dennis__> lol
[09:14] <dennis__> k
[09:15] <nate__> Amaranth, in staging?
[09:15] <HappyFool> Chetic: ok, in that case you need to edit a file called /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:15] <crimsun> stazz: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:15] <delire> dennis__ possibly the best ftp client ever.
[09:15] <Kyynara> nalioth: I was just wondering...
[09:15] <stazz> crimsun: uhm, by modifying that?
[09:15] <rancorus> is it possible to play .rm files on linux ?
[09:15] <delire> anyway, time for other.
[09:15] <HappyFool> Chetic: you can use nano for that: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:15] <Chetic> HappyFool, what should I change?
[09:15] <Amaranth> nate__: yeah, it's a seperate repo for backports where things are tested before being dumped into the real backports
[09:15] <nate__> rancorus, there is realplayer for linux
[09:15] <crimsun> stazz: no, I'm walking you through the process, but you need to follow my directions.
[09:15] <Amaranth> nate__: read the FAQ
[09:15] <stazz> crimsun: yes, did, I can see my both modules and the current order
[09:15] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[09:15] <rancorus> nate: where do i get it ?
[09:15] <crimsun> stazz: and the output is?
[09:15] <nalioth> Kyynara: the plain debian.debs are a little differnt from the ubuntu debs
[09:16] <HappyFool> Chetic: you should see a line something like this: '#deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:16] <stazz> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0 \\ 1 snd_ens1371
[09:16] <Kyynara> so that's a simple no? :)
[09:16] <nalioth> Kyynara: can lead to pkg confusion and system breakage
[09:16] <nate__> Amaranth, ahhh, ok, on my last hoary install i had backports and found smeg, but since reinstall and changing of backports repo, i can't find it...at least I know its out there now, thanks :)
[09:16] <Kyynara> ok
[09:16] <HappyFool> Chetic: remove the '#' at the start of the line -- the # signifies a comment
[09:16] <crimsun> stazz: and you want the ens1371 as card0, correct?
[09:16] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : what you mean? i had to disable all the modules that loaded incorrectly and make a kernel that loaded the correct modules
[09:16] <stazz> crimsun: correct
[09:16] <Chetic> HappyFool, ah ok cool, thanks (brb)
[09:16] <HappyFool> Chetic: if you want, you can do the same for the 'universe' and 'multiverse' lines
[09:16] <crimsun> stazz: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:17] <HappyFool> Chetic: then run 'sudo apt-get update' and you should be on your way
[09:17] <nalioth> Kyynara: apt can build from source, tho
[09:17] <stazz> crimsun: done
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> and lilo didnt install from the cd either
[09:17] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: you're not being precise, which isn't going to help when you file bugs on bugzilla
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> and the md5sum of the lilo package was correct
[09:17] <Kyynara> so if I download the source of the lib I can build them to suite ubuntu?
[09:17] <nalioth> Kyynara: may i /msg you?
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i filed a precise bug concerning the lilo package that didnt install
[09:18] <crimsun> stazz: now you can either unload and reload the alsa modules manually, or you can reboot, whichever's easier
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> but i didnt look @ the ubuntu kernel
[09:18] <Kyynara> nalioth: sure
[09:18] <stazz> crimsun: ok
[09:18] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: I thought the problem was mainly with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> well the kernel was also to blame, since it didnt boot once i fixed lilo, but i didnt investigate what was wrong with it
[09:19] <stazz> crimsun: great. that worked. lots of thankyous
[09:19] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: but you mentioned the "wrong modules" being loaded, which points to an initrd and/or linux issue, and that's most definitely in linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:19] <crimsun> stazz: np
[09:19] <lsuactiafner> when initrd started it started to panic
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> i think the wrong module was loaded for my disks
[09:20] <signius> when you have regsitered your username on irc how can you change the password ?
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> but like i said i didnt investigate
[09:20] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: then please file a bug on linux, too
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i'll check if the problem is in breezy, but i doubt it, my hardware was very very new @ the time
[09:20] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: it would be greatly appreciated if you did investigate. It helps the developers, which will help you.
[09:21] <HappyFool> signius: /msg nickserv help
[09:21] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: excellent, thank you.
[09:21] <rute> hey
[09:21] <lsuactiafner> but i did complain about lilo not installing, when the developers test the install cd make em test lilo and grub
[09:22] <lsuactiafner> i think grub worked but the kernel didnt..
[09:22] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: 'make em'? how much are you paying to make them do this?
[09:22] <psychonate> What other bittorrent clients exist for *nix besides the official client, bittornado, and azureus?
[09:22] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : i'm going to make the next zealot run windows.
[09:23] <Amaranth> psychonate: gnome-btdownload
[09:23] <signius> ok cool done :-)
[09:23] <signius> thanks
[09:23] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Are you trying to be threatening?
[09:23] <nalioth> psychonate: go and search sourceforge.net for the answer to that...(short answer: lots)
[09:23] <rute> I have added universe and multiverse for the stable version 5.04 : are there any other groups I can enable? I don't have packages for ALOT of stuff as is.
[09:23] <nalioth> Amaranth: gnome-btdownload sucks imho
[09:23] <HappyFool> rute: don't forget main and restricted ;)
[09:23] <psychonate> nalioth, I was looking for some that others have tired before though and can testify to.
[09:23] <hondje> rute: restricted
[09:23] <mayco> is the xorg transition complete already?
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : bash me as you please for giving critic, in the end ubuntu will benifit from it
[09:23] <psychonate> nalioth, just like you testified to gnome-btdownload sucking ;)
[09:23] <rute> thanks HappyFool , hondje
[09:23] <nalioth> psychonate: well i just ventured my opinion to Amaranth
[09:23] <mayco> i'm running breezy except for the xorg-packages
[09:23] <crimsun> rute: universe and multiverse should give you nearly 16000 additional packages.
[09:23] <hondje> That's rather arrogant
[09:24] <psychonate> nalioth, lol indeed
[09:24] <lsuactiafner> but if the zealots keep bashing ppl with good suggestions then ubuntu wont progress much now would it?
[09:24] <hondje> usually my dislikes don't positively affect a project
[09:24] <Amaranth> nalioth: i agree, bittorrent 4 is much better
[09:24] <rute> crimsun, I still don't have jedit :)
[09:24] <rute> jedit!
[09:24] <rute> should be in the stable
[09:24] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: I'm not bashing you, I'm saying you can't 'make' the devs to anything.
[09:24] <rnasklaved> what is the command for converting .bin to iso with bchunk?
[09:25] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: And don't call me a zealot, I've got windows running right now.
[09:25] <crimsun> rnasklaved: it specifies the usage in the man page
[09:25] <J0el> which folder do i put the packages in the cd.. which i wud like to install along with the other packages?
[09:25] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : if you werent a zealot you wouldve understood it was a figure of speech
[09:25] <vanesa-depok> haloo all
[09:25] <vanesa-depok> need help
[09:25] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: File a bug report.
[09:25] <vanesa-depok> i cannot using my root passwd
[09:25] <lsuactiafner> bleh read faster, i did
[09:25] <psychonate> vanesa-depok, use sudo instead.
[09:25] <nalioth> psychonate: Amaranth i use screen + btdownloadcurses.py anyway (i don't care for guis much)
[09:25] <Amaranth> vanesa-depok: there is no root password
[09:25] <mayco> can i update my xorg packages to breezy without going trough a symlink hell?
[09:25] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: he's simply (understandably) a bit protective of the distro in which he has invested a significant amount of time.
[09:25] <Amaranth> !root
[09:26] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Amaranth
[09:26] <vanesa-depok> i try to configure in gnome ..
[09:26] <lsuactiafner> lol
[09:26] <nate__> Amaranth, smeg is in hoary-backports-staging/multiverse
[09:26] <vanesa-depok> it come password menu
[09:26] <vanesa-depok> but i dont know the pass
[09:26] <Amaranth> ubotu: root is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:26] <ubotu> Amaranth: okay
[09:26] <HappyFool> J0el: i don't understand your question
[09:26] <Amaranth> vanesa-depok: go to that link
[09:26] <psychonate> nalioth, I have used it before, but I like to be able to change UL/DL rates on the fly.
[09:26] <Amaranth> nate__: multiverse?!?!?
[09:26] <psychonate> nalioth, other than that, it was fine.
[09:27] <refuze2looze> anybody knows how i can simulate a windows reboot in cedega?
[09:27] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i study Bcom IT, informatics and accounting, i know when things aint when they are supposed to be, i'm giving suggestions for ubuntu, doesnt mean i'm correct and that it should be implemented.
[09:27] <crimsun> rute: did you request that the package be added to universe/multiverse for Breezy? Better yet, did you sign up to get the package into shape as a MOTU?
[09:27] <Trab> hello all, i was wondering if anyone could help me find that page about howto help ubutnu programmers? i seem to have misplaced the link?
[09:27] <nate__> Amaranth, yep
[09:27] <mayco> hmm, still no answer, ow yeah, i forgot to beg for an answer: can somebody pleeaasssee answer my question? :) (i hope it works this time)
[09:27] <vanesa-depok> ok
[09:27] <lsuactiafner> but it should be considered
[09:27] <Trab> refuze2looze u dont need to reboot i dont think
[09:27] <nate__> Amaranth, ooop, uni, haha
[09:27] <Amaranth> nate__: Ok, good.
[09:27] <lsuactiafner> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
[09:27] <Trab> thanks
[09:27] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: I don't remember saying your suggestions are worthless and will not be considered.
[09:27] <refuze2looze> Trab: seems like i do.. i'll try using crossover
[09:27] <Amaranth> nate__: I was going to make them pull it out of backports if it was in multiverse, that's insulting.
[09:28] <mayco> bah
[09:28] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : just responding to what you said about investing a significant ammount of time
[09:28] <nalioth> refuze2looze: rebooting linux is only necessary when upgrading a kernel
[09:28] <nate__> Amaranth, I don't even know the difference, whats the dif between uni and multi?
[09:28] <J0el> HappyFool , if i want to include some packages that i have downloaded atm onto a cd which folder should i put them in so that get installed with the default packages
[09:28] <Trab> mayco, why does it seem like it? did it say u need to reboot before u can use the program or w/e?
[09:28] <refuze2looze> nalioth: who said anything about rebooting linux
[09:28] <Amaranth> nate__: multiverse is non-Free things that the MOTU take care of
[09:28] <lsuactiafner> Trab : #ubuntu-devel
[09:28] <J0el> HappyFool, do u get me now?
[09:28] <kbrooks> lol
[09:28] <HappyFool> J0el: i don't think it'll be that easy
[09:28] <nate__> Amaranth, MOTU?
[09:29] <nalioth> refuze2looze: i'm hallucinating, forgive me
[09:29] <rute> crimsun, I get yah. I'm not whining about it. just amazes me that it isn't there
[09:29] <refuze2looze> nalioth: hehe
[09:29] <Amaranth> nate__: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[09:29] <J0el> HappyFool, I want to burn a ubuntu cd with the new packages i have
[09:29] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: it would be helpful if you provided a path toward a solution or at least engaged that process
[09:29] <HappyFool> J0el: i do not know how to customize the ubuntu install
[09:29] <Marble2> how can I get stats on what video card I'm using?
[09:29] <pepsi> how can i convert an .mp3 to a .wav?
[09:30] <Marble2> i forgot how much ram my card has... how pathetic is that?
[09:30] <Trab> pepsi why would u want to do that?
[09:30] <crimsun> rute: well, you have the power to make it happen for Breezy. :)
[09:30] <Amaranth> Marble2: Why would you want to do that?
[09:30] <J0el> HappyFool, oh ok , i just read soomewhere u could do that.
[09:30] <HappyFool> J0el: maybe you can. sorry, i don't know how ;)
[09:30] <pepsi> Trab, so i can do stuff with the sound file in windows's silly sndrec32.exe app.. speed it up in particular
[09:30] <hondje> Marble2: lspci -vvv
[09:30] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i did.. the mplayer binary for AMD64 didnt run wmv.. i made a static 32bit binary in a chroot that did..
[09:30] <hondje> Marble2: shows how much I have
[09:30] <crimsun> rute: unlike other distros, you can make a lasting, positive change to the distribution that all its users will reap.
[09:31] <lsuactiafner> and i posted the process and solution to marlowe ect
[09:31] <Trab> ah
[09:31] <Trab> well
[09:31] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: using w32codecs is illegal though, so a 32-bit mplayer is pretty much useless
[09:31] <rute> crimsun, I will put it a request :) I learned something from studying portage packages with gentoo though. It's useless to learn something like that unless you are going to do nothing but build packages.
[09:31] <hondje> Amaranth: It's illegal? Really?
[09:31] <Trab> where did u get the mp3 pepsi ?
[09:31] <J0el> HappyFool, like u put em in a folder where all the default packages are ..n they get installed .. i dunno how but i think its possible
[09:31] <HappyFool> pepsi: i would try mpg321
[09:31] <Marble2> hondje:  Region 0: Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
[09:31] <linukso> pepsi: try lame
[09:31] <Marble2> is that the line I want?
[09:31] <lsuactiafner> my country's vice president steals millions, they dont care if MS is unhappy..
[09:31] <Amaranth> hondje: Did you get permission from microsoft or apple or real or any of those others to use those codecs on linux?
[09:31] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: hmm, I think an even more useful approach would be to work with the gstreamer-ffmpeg guys so that wmv support is done properly on 64-bit arches.
[09:32] <hondje> Amaranth: I guess I shouldn't assume if it's apt-able, it's legit
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> suppose, tho i made a work around that fixed my problem immediatly
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> they should be aware of the problem
[09:32] <Amaranth> hondje: nope, lots of illegal things are apt-getable
[09:32] <floater_> Have anyone made awe64 or awe32 sound card to work ?
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> everyone is porting
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> or should be
[09:32] <hondje> Amaranth: Now I feel like a newbie :)
[09:32] <Amaranth> hondje: like everything in marillat
[09:33] <Proteque> now on my second try of installing ubuntu it stpes at "setting up primary installation repository"... it get ip from dhcpd and everything. has access to the net. what can make this error?
[09:33] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: sure, that's convenient, but "convenient" doesn't make "best".
[09:33] <lsuactiafner> where is marillat based
[09:33] <hondje> Illegal as in criminal, or illegal as in 'decss violates dmca' illegal?
[09:33] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: France
[09:33] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : that attitude right there, is linux (;
[09:33] <nalioth> hondje: illegal as in violating the EULA
[09:33] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: wmv requires w32codecs, unless you're seeing something i'm not
[09:33] <lsuactiafner> "convenient" doesn't make "best".. that was my point earlier about windowization
[09:33] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[09:34] <rute> anyone know of something that offers a vim(gvim, kvim or whatever) editor with a console window that will follow the cwd of the vim editor?
[09:34] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: it's not ffmpeg's fault microsoft hasn't made 64-bit codecs
[09:34] <hondje> Oh, I don't mind violating eulas :)
[09:34] <digby> the court's haven't found that EULAs are binding, though, so legalitiy is still questionable
[09:34] <J0el> would NFS6 the game run through wine?
[09:34] <signius> Proteque: have you tried changing the repositry it is trying to connect to ?
[09:34] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : mplayer-amd64 doesnt successfully use the 32bit w32codecs
[09:34] <Proteque> signius: I dont get the question.
[09:34] <Amaranth> hondje: does copyright infringement bother you?
[09:34] <J0el> or whats the other emulators i could use?
[09:34] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: exactly, w32codecs are 32-bit windows dll files
[09:34] <lsuactiafner> therefore, a mplayer32 static binary should be created in the mean time
[09:34] <hondje> Amaranth: generally
[09:35] <Proteque> signius: it never times out either.
[09:35] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: tell microsoft to give you some 64-bit codecs so you can use them illegally too
[09:35] <hondje> But I don't think using something in an unintended way is wrong
[09:35] <signius> Proteque: Its failing when it tries to connect to a repositry on the internet correct ?
[09:35] <hondje> and I have the OEM cd of windows that came with this, so I must have those codecs
[09:35] <Amaranth> hondje: using those codecs without having a copy of windows around you aren't using is copyright infringement
[09:35] <hondje> ah, then I'm good, since I don't use it! :D
[09:35] <Proteque> signius: it doesnt say what fails. it just stops there. no errormsges at all.
[09:35] <psychonate> hmmm
[09:36] <psychonate> I am surprised there is no xmms-musepack package
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : i got more than a terrebyte of software and entertainment i shouldnt have.. i'm not the one to care
[09:36] <crimsun> floater_: sure. What are your issues?
[09:36] <signius> what sort of internet connection do you have ?
[09:36] <crimsun> psychonate: I made some
[09:36] <psychonate> oh?
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> and anyway, i own a copy of windows 3.1
[09:36] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Don't talk about that here again.
[09:36] <hondje> Now that I think about it, I think proprietary formats are pretty not-good
[09:36] <psychonate> Where can I find these?
[09:36] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: win 3.1 had wmv3? wow
[09:36] <kbrooks> about what, Amaranth
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : where do you live?
[09:36] <Proteque> signius: adsl. but get ip etc from a normal dhcpd.
[09:36] <crimsun> psychonate: in Breezy after the transition completes
[09:37] <Amaranth> kbrooks: his huge cache of illegal movies, music, and software
[09:37] <psychonate> ah
[09:37] <signius> ok
[09:37] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: sioux city, iowa, usa
[09:37] <nalioth> Amaranth: super top secret project, right?
[09:37] <hondje> lol
[09:37] <psychonate> crimsun, I will try to compile it for now then, but thanks for the info
[09:37] <psychonate> crimsun, is there an estimate on breezy?
[09:37] <psychonate> (time)
[09:37] <signius> I am new to ubuntu but i am sure there is an option to change where ubuntu connects to a repositry in the install
[09:37] <crimsun> psychonate: breezy releases in October
[09:37] <signius> someone in here is bound to know
[09:37] <psychonate> sounds good
[09:37] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : i live in south-africa.. go tell my predident to fire his currupt vice-president... when he does that i will consider deleting a movie i already paid once to see
[09:37] <Amaranth> nalioth: microsoft has been promising WinFS since around win 3.1, so it's possible :D
[09:37] <kbrooks> signius: there is
[09:37] <HappyFool> i didn't think you *needed* to connect to a repository during install
[09:38] <crimsun> HappyFool: you don't
[09:38] <signius> kbrooks: Proteque needs to know
[09:38] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: you paid to see it _once_
[09:38] <nalioth> Amaranth: they've also been practicing "world domination"
[09:38] <hondje> all this copyright law / morality is confusing :(
[09:38] <Amaranth> nalioth: haven't quite nailed that one
[09:38] <Proteque> well it stops there... it doesnt say that it cant connect. just stops and stays for hours.
[09:38] <psychonate> crimsun, do you happen to know also about a FLAC plugin for beep-media-player in Breezy?
[09:38] <hondje> I grok downloading movies/music == bad, but what if you own it? Or what if you WILL buy it, but it's not at stores yet?
[09:38] <dag_> how does foresight linux compare to ubuntu?
[09:38] <signius> kbrooks: did you see the problem about it failing to connect to repositry
[09:38] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : once.. maybe i didnt see every frame..
[09:38] <signius> oh
[09:38] <holo> ham, is it a common problem not to be able to see movies in totem? in debian i never had this problem
[09:38] <lsuactiafner> and i need to see it again.. to see all the frames..
[09:39] <peter_> Good evening everyone, I was wondering if anyone knew what has happened to the unofficial add-on cd for ubuntu
[09:39] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Whatever man, just stop talking about it here.
[09:39] <LinuxJones> dag_, I haven't heard of foresight Linux.
[09:39] <psychonate> crimsun, ATM, there is none included in Hoary, and the source will not compile.
[09:39] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : stop bashing me if you dont want me to confuse you
[09:39] <hondje> Is ripping a dvd illegal?
[09:39] <dag_> http://www.foresightlinux.com/ - it seems very updated
[09:39] <kbrooks> hondje: no
[09:39] <tsw> hondje: no
[09:39] <Amaranth> hondje: in the US and parts of the EU, yes
[09:39] <Fator_Dee> hondje: depends where you live?
[09:39] <hondje> US
[09:39] <psychonate> crimsun, supposedly some XMMS plugins can be used with beep-media-player, but the FLAC plugin is apparently not one of these.
[09:39] <holo> just tell me.. the damm codecs aren't in the official repository?
[09:40] <nalioth> psychonate: apt-get source -b <pkgname> won't build it?
[09:40] <lsuactiafner> hondje : i prefer to use a knife when i rip dvds.. the plastic is quite strong to just rip
[09:40] <tvelocity> hondje, in the US yes, because of the DMCA, but mostly no...
[09:40] <kbrooks> Amaranth: personnal use?
[09:40] <Amaranth> Guys, let's stop the illegal talk.
[09:40] <holo> what is a purpose of a movie player without codecs? at least in a desktop distro
[09:40] <Amaranth> kbrooks: DMCA trumps personal use.
[09:40] <tsw> CSS decrypt is illegal
[09:40] <hondje> lsuactiafner: It's those damn stickers on the sides that are the worst :(
[09:40] <kbrooks> Amaranth: so its illegal
[09:40] <tsw> or what ever it was
[09:40] <lsuactiafner> hondje : know what you mean.. but i got a nifty solution
[09:40] <kbrooks> Amaranth: ok
[09:40] <tsw> there are dvd:s that arent crypted
[09:41] <hondje> oh yeah, I remember now...dmca, circumvention, etc....weird stuff
[09:41] <peter_> ok sorry to bother you all.
[09:41] <lsuactiafner> put the dvd over steam and steam it off
[09:41] <tsw> so it depends on the content
[09:41] <lsuactiafner> but like very very hot steam
[09:41] <crimsun> psychonate: there's headway on that, too
[09:41] <hondje> laws should reflect morality in hondjeland
[09:41] <Proteque> so there is no way to get around this so I can get it installed?
[09:41] <psychonate> nalioth, what I mean is THERE is no package, binary or source, for a FLAC plugin for beep-media-player in Ubuntu, and the XMMS plugin will not work with beep-media-player. The source code for the plugin from beep-media-player's site will not compile.
[09:41] <lsuactiafner> compressed works nicely
[09:41] <holo> everyone here with happy totems?
[09:41] <HappyFool> peter_: it's not on ubuntuguide.org anymore ?
[09:41] <Amaranth> hondje: Whose morality?
[09:41] <peter_> Nope, it's not. Odd??
[09:41] <signius> why wont it compile what errors are you getting ?
[09:41] <nalioth> psychonate: pm me the URL, please to the src
[09:41] <pepsi> Proteque, disconnect yourself from the network while you install
[09:41] <psychonate> nalioth, there is one binary package I found for the plugin, but it will not work either, so I am forced to use XMMS for the time being.
[09:42] <hondje> Amaranth: In hondjeland, mine....irl, hard to say
[09:42] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : every seen KoRn - Yall Want A Single.mpg?
[09:42] <psychonate> nalioth, feeling courageous are you ;) ?
[09:42] <Proteque> pepsi: yeah I could ry that.
[09:42] <crimsun> psychonate: there is already a functional flac plugin, but it isn't complete, so I'm not going to submit it
[09:42] <HappyFool> peter_: maybe bandwidth costs *shrug* dunno, sorry
[09:42] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: In 5 minutes I'll remove it. You were warned.
[09:42] <LinuxJones> lol
[09:43] <psychonate> crimsun, neato
[09:43] <dimeo> why do always have to type killall esd after booting to get xmms to play music?
[09:43] <peter_> Cheers, happyfool.
[09:43] <dimeo> Any way to fix this?
[09:43] <psychonate> nalioth, I will send you the plugin list because you might want to read the comment on the right side: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Plugin_list
[09:43] <crimsun> floater_: is it a true sbawe64?
[09:43] <floater_> crimsun: I sent you a private message about the issue :j
[09:43] <stazz> dimeo: you need an esound output-plugin for xmms, esd is blocking the soundcard
[09:44] <psychonate> nalioth, ten down, fairly easy to spot
[09:44] <floater_> hmm, I think it is. it's on old p2 400mhz
[09:44] <kbrooks> ummmm.
[09:44] <cusco> I can't use apt-get at all....
[09:44] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:44] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[09:44] <crimsun> floater_: I don't like privmsgs, because I have to flip through too many buffers
[09:44] <floater_> on windows it said awe 64 on pci to isa bridge (isa mode)
[09:44] <psychonate> nalioth, they recommend using the binary build or the xmms plugin, but neither of these work for me, and I was not able to compile the plugin myself.
[09:44] <floater_> ok
[09:45] <kbrooks> cusco: sounds like you have to ......
[09:45] <dimeo> stazz: ok I tried switching the output to esound when I boot that might solve it thx
[09:45] <crimsun> floater_: so you're certain it's sbawe64?
[09:45] <nalioth> psychonate: always up for a challenge, but it will do YOU no good, as im' on PPC
[09:45] <stazz> dimeo: you don't need to boot for that :S
[09:45] <kbrooks> cusco: er, apt-get remove armagetronad
[09:45] <floater_> no
[09:45] <guupsta> hum ubuntu's running pretty smooth on 350MHz P2 with 128MB of RAM, not as I expected :)
[09:46] <psychonate> nalioth, lol possibly not, but you can at least tell me if you had to do anything tricky or install something atypic
[09:46] <kbrooks> cusco: what does it show?
[09:46] <kbrooks> paste in a pm
[09:46] <psychonate> s/atypic/atypical
[09:46] <hondje> guupsta: with gnome?
[09:46] <Kirilis> Hi friends!
[09:46] <guupsta> hondje: yep.
[09:46] <nalioth> psychonate: good thing i can read japanese, eh? NOT
[09:46] <Kirilis> how to make bootloader floppy on Ubuntu ?
[09:46] <hondje> guupsta: nice :)
[09:46] <floater_> crimsun: what other version it could be than sb awe64 and how can I check it, if it's essential?
[09:47] <psychonate> nalioth, rofl, I forgot about that. You can find the link on there though
[09:47] <psychonate> not too hard
[09:47] <psychonate> look in the small english part
[09:47] <nalioth> psychonate: i was pullin yer leg, i am quite multilingual
[09:48] <psychonate> ah, impressive
[09:48] <guupsta> hondju,installed it for my parents as they got themselves a computer mainly for a  net-browsing. winxp gave me a fatal error on install, but ubuntu installed just smooothly :)
[09:48] <psychonate> I can speak English, and uh, more English on occasion
[09:48] <psychonate> I can fingerspell too lol
[09:48] <Kirilis> how to make bootloader floppy on Ubuntu ?
[09:48] <kbrooks> psychonate: heh, me too
[09:48] <nalioth> as i mentioned a while earlier, i speak googlese even
[09:49] <guupsta> erm.. *hondje
[09:49] <crimsun> floater_: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:49] <HappyFool> Kirilis: if google can't tell you, i think there's a bootdisk howto on tldp.org. it's non-trivial, however
[09:49] <hondje> guupsta: Hope it works out for them :D
[09:49] <psychonate> nalioth, well, that is probably the most useful of any language
[09:49] <kbrooks> Kirilis: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1
[09:49] <psychonate> googlese > *
[09:49] <kbrooks> HappyFool: ^^^^^^^
[09:50] <crimsun> floater_: sorry, I have to leave in 5 minutes, but try the snd-sbawe module
[09:50] <cusco> kbrooks: doesn't work
[09:51] <crimsun> floater_: remember to disable PnP in your computer's bios
[09:51] <guupsta> hondje, it's same for them what OS they got, as problems occur they'll call me :)
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: man dd
[09:51] <hondje> guupsta: True, and ssh can save work :)
[09:51] <floater_> ok crimsun
[09:51] <cusco> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:51] <crimsun> floater_: then you can sudo modprobe snd-sbawe isapnp=0
[09:51] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: read the manpage before wronging me
[09:51] <guupsta> hondje, yep :)
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: oh, misunderstood
[09:51] <floater_> it says no such file or dir when I do cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: sorry.
[09:52] <kbrooks> cusco: uh, no idea.
[09:52] <cusco> I can't use apt-get for anything
[09:52] <cusco> I always get that line
[09:52] <kbrooks> cusco: put that into google
[09:53] <cusco> ok
[09:53] <kbrooks> cusco: you dont want the specific stuff
[09:53] <floater_> crimsun it says no such file or dir on the cat /proc/asound/modules . Shall I try that pnp off and then snd-sbawe isapnp=0 ?
[09:53] <kbrooks> erase the package
[09:53] <crimsun> floater_: yep.
[09:53] <crimsun> gotta go.
[09:53] <floater_> ok thanks and bye
[09:53] <cusco> kbrooks: but the problem is that the .deb is not found
[09:54] <cusco> .
[09:54] <cusco> This means the package 'checker' is in a state that is defined to require
[09:54] <cusco> dpkg --unpack on the original .deb to get out of. APT is telling you that
[09:54] <cusco> it cannot find that .deb to unpack so checker can be fixed.
[09:54] <cusco> .
[09:54] <cusco> I found that on google
[09:54] <kbrooks> hmm
[09:54] <cusco> instead of armagetronad was checker
[09:54] <cusco> "You will have to do some manual things with dpkg to fix the checker
[09:54] <cusco> package, probably removing it with a forcing option.
[09:54] <kbrooks> cusco: ^^^^^
[09:54] <cusco> "
[09:55] <kbrooks> remove and reinstall it
[09:55] <Chetic> I can't start X and it's really depressing :\
[09:55] <cusco> how do I remove it?
[09:55] <kbrooks> ummm.
[09:55] <wawa> When I watch video in fullscreen mode the picture is blurred but its fine when in normal mode...am I missing some settings?
[09:56] <psychonate> nalioth, tell me how goes it then
[09:56] <kbrooks> cusco: apt-get remove --purge checkero?
[09:56] <kbrooks> s/o//
[09:56] <apollo2011> I have KDE and Gnome installed on Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages).  I am used to using KDE but wanted to try out Gnome.  However, now that I hae Gnome, its login manager is set as the default and I would prefer to use the KDE login manager.  How do I switch back to the KDE login manager?
[09:57] <Jormundgand> apollo: Didn't you get a choice when you installed GNOME?
[09:57] <cusco> kbrooks: in this case is armagetronad
[09:57] <LinuxJones> apollo2011, dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:57] <cusco> I tried that, doesn't work
[09:58] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[09:58] <HappyFool> cusco: read 'man apt-get'
[09:58] <Chetic> X says "no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:0:0) found" - What can I do?
[09:58] <lsuactiafner> ok cool i can speak again
[09:58] <HappyFool> cusco: i see two options which may be of use: -f and -m. However, they do look a little risky
[09:59] <apollo2011> LinuxJones: I think that did it...ill go look...bbl
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> change the 5 into a 1 and see what happens
[09:59] <Chetic> It's a PCI-E card btw..
[10:00] <Vjaz> Anyone know what happened to the X40 compatibility packages by Daniel Stone?
[10:00] <Chetic> lsuactiafner, I think that fixed that problem, but I still have more
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> Chetic : lspci
[10:00] <Chetic> I also get "(EE) No devices detected."
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconf
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconfing
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> bleh
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> xorgconfig
[10:01] <Chislon> so is it smart to do a 4 gig partition for windows xp, and a 4gig for linux, and 1 gig for swap for linux, adn the rest one partition that is fat32? does that decrease the time of either os? and is that a good way to make it really simple to dual boot and us both os's?
[10:01] <Proteque> hmm the installation stopes at the same place even without the network up :(
[10:01] <IIIEars> Chetic - You were here last night?
[10:02] <HappyFool> Chislon: how big's your hard drive?
[10:02] <Chetic> lsuactiafner thanks
[10:02] <Chislon> i have about 14 gigs used currently, with only windows xp home, and i have 40 gigs free
[10:02] <Chetic> IIIEars - yes but now I have ubuntu installed :)
[10:02] <IIIEars> Chetic - EE? - is the card seated are there any aux power cables to check?
[10:02] <holo> anyone can : apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins ?
[10:03] <LinuxJones> Chislon, 4 gigs is kind of small for Linux
[10:03] <holo> and output it to me?
[10:03] <HappyFool> Chislon: i guess it'll work. i'd probably have bigger linux / win xp partitions and a smallish fat32 partition for transferring data
[10:03] <Chislon> LinuxJones, so your telling me that all that talk about linux being smaller then windwos isnt true? and that it in fact takes more room to install linux os rather htan windows xp?
[10:03] <nalioth> psychonate: check your PMs
[10:03] <IIIEars> Chetic - Thats cool (6th week) with ubuntu. - Welcome dude! :)
[10:03] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh so youd just do a small transfering one?
[10:03] <HappyFool> Chislon: yeah
[10:03] <Chislon> HappyFool, instead of just storing all the files in one spot
[10:04] <cusco> HappyFool: nor -m nor -f works
[10:04] <HappyFool> Chislon: bear in mind that linux can *read* ntfs with no problem
[10:04] <cusco> the same error..
[10:04] <Chetic> IIIEars - thanks.. and what's an aux power cable?
[10:04] <Chislon> HappyFool, what are hte benefits of that over just the OS's in a partition
[10:04] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh i see.., but still what is the pros or cons between putting just the os's on their own partition and all the files on one?
[10:04] <HappyFool> Chislon: so you could, e.g., store all your mp3's on ntfs, as long as you don't need to write any there from linux
[10:04] <Chislon> LinuxJones, sorry for being a jerk to you
[10:04] <LinuxJones> Chislon, it depends on what you want on your system. Damd Small Linux .iso is about 60 megs Ubuntu takes alot of space.
[10:04] <IIIEars> Chetic - does your card need an extra power cable for it
[10:04] <Seveas> LinuxJones, but you forget that that includes OO.o and firefox etc....
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok... i dunno, like if all goes as i think it will ill basically just be using windows for games
[10:05] <HappyFool> Chislon: well, fat32 doesn't (as far as i know) support linux permissions
[10:05] <Furushil> hallo
[10:05] <Seveas> windows + ms office takes a *lot* more than ubuntu
[10:05] <Chetic> IIIEars - nope.. why?
[10:05] <dReadMoRe> its possible to put xchat iconified like gaim?
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, i dont know what that means
[10:05] <LinuxJones> Chislon, by default Ubuntu comes with full Office Suite and tons of other goodies that don't come with windows
[10:05] <Seveas> HappyFool, neither does ntfs :)
[10:05] <HappyFool> Chislon: also bear in mind that fat32 is not as reliable (as far as i know, again ;) as ntfs / ext3
[10:05] <FR500> Chetic, but oofice is very slow, even compared to office xp
[10:05] <HappyFool> Seveas: yeah, but he wants fat32 as a 'shared' partition. i was thinking maybe he wanted /home there
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, LinuxJones , ok... well so how much sharing space should i do then?
[10:05] <FR500> so you give something yo get something
[10:05] <Seveas> FR500, try abiword and gnumeric :)
[10:06] <FR500> sometime maybe
[10:06] <Seveas> FR500, they blow OO.o away speedwise
[10:06] <LinuxJones> Chislon, how much ram do you have ?
[10:06] <Chislon> HappyFool, LinuxJones , is 1 gig good for swap partititon? how much space for boot partition thing? i have 736 ram
[10:06] <HappyFool> Chislon: i dunno. a few gig. what sort of data do you plan to share between the os's?
[10:06] <Chetic> IIIEars - I ran xorgconfig but it gives me the same error.. "(EE) No devices detected."
[10:06] <FR500> lately my ubuntu starts reading from hd like a maniac, it appears to be frozen
[10:06] <Chislon> HappyFool, i have no idea...
[10:06] <FR500> dunno why
[10:06] <IIIEars> okay. - it's painful to get linux setup but, once you do it "Mondo" backup util will burn an image of your install. - if you ever need to reinstall just pop in the disk you made.
[10:07] <Chislon> HappyFool, im just trying to dual boot because im not ready to give up windows, and want it for games... but it sounds like i should if possible, adn that it should be possible, to do everything else on linux
[10:07] <dReadMoRe> its possible to put xchat iconified like gaim?
[10:07] <Chislon> HappyFool, but if i get StudioMX then i might want to transfer that kind of stuff between os's.. not really sure
[10:07] <FR500> Chislon, the only thing i can't play here yet is Gunbound Gis
[10:07] <HappyFool> Chislon: well, what you *can* do is have several large partitions, giving you flexibility in the future
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Chislon, well I would make the swap 500 megs and / 5 gigs and a healthy amount for your /home partition.
[10:07] <Chislon> FR500, what is that?
[10:08] <FR500> see
[10:08] <FR500> i play Wow and Counter Strike here no problems
[10:08] <Chislon> FR500, thats kool
[10:08] <Chislon> LinuxJones, sorry for being a jerk earlier
[10:08] <FR500> There are replacemets for Macromedia Studio i think
[10:09] <Chislon> happyfool, LinuxJones , ok... but is that better then having like 20 gigs for linux /home? like i dont know hwo it all works
[10:09] <LinuxJones> Chislon, that's ok, it takes a while to get your feet wet with Linux :)
[10:09] <kbrooks> dReadMoRe: yes
[10:09] <FR500> i think NvU is somewhat close to dreamweaver
[10:09] <Chislon> FR500, i tried looking into it, i didnt fully see real replacmeemnts
[10:09] <Chetic> I still get "(EE) No devices detected." when starting X. Please, please help.
[10:09] <dReadMoRe> kbrooks, how?
[10:09] <Chislon> LinuxJones, thank you
[10:09] <teebones> dreamweaver actually runs on linux
[10:09] <teebones> (with wine)
[10:09] <FR500> or cxoffice
[10:09] <kbrooks> Chislon: you can have any ... amount. the limit is your hd space
[10:09] <HappyFool> Chislon: 20 gigs is a quite a lot of data, unless you're editing movies or doing some other specialized work
[10:09] <Chislon> is inkscape equivalaent to freehand/illustrator/flash vector stuff?
[10:10] <_freak> hi all.
[10:10] <FR500> from my experience with office XP cxoffice works well
[10:10] <IIIEars> Chetic - If you see crimsun ask him. He knows quite a bit.
[10:10] <teebones> FR500, yep
[10:10] <[Chameleon] > Chislon: I've had 20 GB for my /home for a few years and I can tell you that it's plenty.
[10:10] <Earthen> Has anyone tried to install "looking Glass" in ubuntu  with any success?
[10:10] <LinuxJones> Chislon, if you download alot of stuff from the internet 20 gigs is not that much. /Home is where all of your personal files like music/movies are stored.
[10:10] <karljp> (home is where it _can_ be stored
[10:10] <Chetic> crimsun - help?
[10:10] <Chislon> kbrooks, HappyFool , well i have 14 used up right now, and 40 free, but i want to put on linux, i just dont know how i should be splitting up my space? as one person said they do i thought maybe i should have partitions for just my OS's and then just puta ll the data on a fat32, but you dont seem to agree with that, so now sure hwo to split it all up, and i need a boot partition too right?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: don't worry too much about it. 10GB ntfs, 10GB ubuntu, and leave the rest as whatever your need
[10:11] <Chislon> LinuxJones, well i dont do anything illegal so i probably dont download that much
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: i don't think you need to worry about a boot partition
[10:11] <LinuxJones> Chislon, well 20 gigs might be too much :D
[10:11] <karljp> there's lots and lots of free stuff that people download too :)
[10:11] <Chislon> HappyFool, well what would i need it for lol... and oh ok
[10:11] <Chislon> lol
[10:11] <karljp> just think of all those isos
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: say to backup your data when you install a hoary upgrade
[10:12] <nalioth> l8r folks
[10:12] <nalioth> g2g2 WORK
[10:12] <LinuxJones> bye
[10:12] <nalioth> yes, i have to face the big blue room, once more
[10:12] <nalioth> bye
[10:12] <HappyFool> Chislon: or whatever. flexibility is useful, and is all you can do if your specification is as yet unfixed
[10:12] <Chislon> so its not a good idea to have two partitions, 1 just big enough to put winxp on, 1 just big enough to put ubuntu on, a partition for swap space, and then the rest as fat32 to be accessed by both linux and windows ?
[10:12] <HappyFool> Chislon: no, i do not think that is best
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok what are the cons of that and the pros of doing it otherwise
[10:13] <Earthen> Has anyone here heard of "looking Glass" the 3d desktop?
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, i didnt know that figure out the partitions was all like this, i thought i could just run the ubuntu install and stuff heh heh
[10:13] <HappyFool> Chislon: please read my (and others ;) previous message regarding this. we are going in circles
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, you nor anyoene else, listed pros or cons
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, all you did was say that you thought i didnt need that much space and such
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, you said that i can read nfts from linux
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: fat32 = somewhat unreliable, does not support linux permissions; i.e., integration with linux is not perfect.
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, you never said that fat32 would make both os's slower or what not, oh and u did say something about the permisions, right... ok sorry, and sorry for being a jerk... its just i dont know what most of it means, sorry
[10:14] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: ntfs, ext3 = reliable, and are 'native' to their respective OS's
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, sorry for being a jerk, i forgot about that, so sorry
[10:14] <Chislon> sorry
[10:14] <HappyFool> relax ;)
[10:15] <Chislon> thank you :)
[10:15] <Chislon> so..
[10:15] <FR500> 20gb a lot? lol, i download that i a week
[10:15] <Chislon> if i am using windows realy only for games, then i should make linux the biggest partition or?
[10:15] <shaya> anyone here using the new X in breezy?
[10:15] <FR500> gotta but myself a new hd tomorrow
[10:15] <Chislon> lmost of youw ould recommend using only linux right cuz its like all better than windows?
[10:16] <stazz> Chislon: the linux partition can be less than 10 gigabytes, and all the system-stuff fits neatly in
[10:16] <forced> I don't recommend using only linux, it's not for everyone, heh.
[10:16] <LinuxJones> Chislon, if you like gaming keep windows around
[10:16] <Chislon> stazz, what about other stuff i might want or need? i guess i dont really get how it all works...
[10:16] <HappyFool> Chislon: what is best for you depends on your requirements ;) not on our opinions
[10:16] <marsh> anyone know anything about Graveman?
[10:16] <Chislon> HappyFool, but i can use your opinions and reasons for them to help figure out what best fits my requirments
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> marsh: what about it?
[10:16] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ok.. thank you
[10:16] <LinuxJones> Chislon, have you tried one of the Ubuntu LiveCD ?
[10:16] <marsh> doesn't seem to work...
[10:16] <Chislon> what partitioning program do you recommend
[10:17] <forced> cfdisk... :P
[10:17] <IIIEars> Chislon - making a boot partition is a little extra effort but keeping your grub set up stable is worth it. - personally i like to have a large fat32 parttion to store files.
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> marsh: quite vague eh?
[10:17] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ya i ran it a bit and talked on irc and browsed the web and signed on to GAIM, but i mean i dont knwo enough to be able to check anything else
[10:17] <HappyFool> anyway, i am tired and must go to sleep. good night all
[10:17] <marsh> but it doesn't send any messages to 2> either - so I cant tell anything at all!?!?
[10:17] <Chislon> i also tried the freesbie thing, i think i preer XFCE to gnome
[10:17] <marsh> Fator_Dee, yeah - it is!!
[10:17] <apex> hiho
[10:17] <Chislon> IIIEars, how big should the boot partition be
[10:17] <apex> anyone knows where to download the 5.04 ubuntu dvd?
[10:17] <marsh> Fator_Dee, just fails any time I try to burn anything...
[10:18] <apex> torrent seems dead :-(
[10:18] <marsh> Fator_Dee, or erase a rw
[10:18] <stazz> Chislon: You should read some tutorials. You typically need a system-partitio (<10gb) a swap-partition(512mb-1gb) and a home-directory for your personal stuff, which's size depends on what you are going to store, if movies/music & etc -> bigger partition
[10:18] <stazz> Chislon: the linux partitioning happens during the startup, but it doesn't allow you to modify windows-partitions
[10:18] <stazz> Chislon: during installation, of course..
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> marsh: preferences are ok?
[10:18] <Chislon> IIIEars, cuz the boot only holds grub? (i dont know hat grub is besides soemthing to do with dual booting selection or something)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> Chislon, as long as you have an idea what linux is like, you should have no trouble getting it installed. You have an enmpty 40 gig drive your going to use ?
[10:18] <FR500> apex,  tracker is down
[10:18] <Chetic> "(EE) No devices found." when starting X... what do I do?
[10:18] <dulouz> Hi folks, i just installed Ubuntu, comming from SuSE 9.1. I havn't used Gnome in years. Something in the Ubuntu system, i think Gnome, is not letting Neverwinter Nights play audio. If I quit X completely and start NWN with "xinit ./nwn --:0" audio works in Neverwinter Nights. Or if I quit X and start X with fluxbox. Anyone know what I might look for in Gnome that could be causing no audio in NWN?
[10:18] <marsh> as far as i know...
[10:18] <apex> any alternatives?
[10:18] <apex> ftp?
[10:19] <stazz> dulouz: killall -9 esd
[10:19] <hondje> dulouz: try killall esd ?
[10:19] <marsh> hang on, I'll just check 'em properly
[10:19] <dulouz> stazz, hondje, wow fast responses :)
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> dulouz: the problem is with esd
[10:19] <hondje> stazz: you can pass signals with killall? :o
[10:19] <dReadMoRe> why can't i go to extensions page of firefox?
[10:19] <IIIEars> 50mbs will leave some room for faqs if you ever get stuck without the net.
[10:19] <_freak> has anybody successfully applied the ALSA patches (ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/kernel-patches/alsa-bk-2005-01-14.patch.gz) that can tell a newbie (one week in - I'm trying, but at this point I'm almost saturated with newness) what the heck I'm to do with it? :)
[10:19] <stazz> hondje: umm. yes? :)
[10:20] <hondje> stazz: Never knew that :D
[10:20] <FR500> how can i output something to another tty?
[10:20] <Chislon> LinuxJones, i have only 1 hard drive, currently all set for windowsxphome, about 14 is used, about 40 is free space
[10:20] <dulouz> stazz, hondje, Factor_Dee: thanks that worked
[10:20] <dimeo> dulouz: after installing ubuntu I had to set my system preferences multimedia selector to use ESD and also set the program running like XMMS to output to ESD
[10:20] <marsh> Fator_Dee, should the 'external programs' have anything in them? the dselect entry for graveman doen't say it requires anything...?
[10:20] <marsh> Fator_Dee, mine a re all empty
[10:20] <stazz> Chislon: what exactly are you looking for from linux?
[10:20] <Fator_Dee> marsh: lemme check
[10:21] <marsh> thx Fator_Dee
[10:21] <dulouz> dimeo: thanks, i'll keep that in mind
[10:21] <IIIEars> Chislon - grab another drive from somewhere. much easier to change your mind about distros.
[10:21] <marsh> Fator_Dee, where you checkin... yours?
[10:21] <FR500> dulouz, i think selecting a different sound system for gnome may cure it permanently
[10:21] <GuiRC> anyone uses dial connection with Ubuntu here?
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> marsh: of course?
[10:21] <dockane> which bash command shows the size of all files in the current directory
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> marsh: and where did you find external programs
[10:22] <FR500> ls -l?
[10:22] <stazz> dockane: ls -lah, du -h
[10:22] <hondje> dockane: I like ls -lh
[10:22] <marsh> in the options dialog
[10:22] <dockane> stazz, du ... thats it thnx
[10:22] <marsh> second tab, Fator_Dee
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> marsh: ah, ok
[10:22] <dulouz> FR5: yeah, I tried setting it to ALSA, but I guess ESD was monopolizing the sound card. now that esd is no longer running I can set it to ALSA
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> marsh: yeah, there are bunch of programs
[10:23] <marsh> best i install them then, eh... :o\...
[10:23] <Chislon> IIIEars, this is a laptop
[10:23] <dulouz> thanks all that was some crazy quick answering.
[10:23] <Chetic> "(EE) No devices found." when starting X... what do I do?
[10:23] <Fator_Dee> marsh: they should be there if you installed graveman, dependencies and all
[10:23] <LinuxJones> Chislon, I would do 6 gig for / , 500 meg swap , and 15-10 gigs /home
[10:23] <marsh> Fator_Dee, i did - used apt-get...
[10:23] <snoopy_> can someone help me with a wireless problem?
[10:24] <stazz> dulouz: you can have esd run simulatenously with xmms' alsa-output
[10:24] <FR500> snoopy_, just ask
[10:24] <Chislon> stazz, i dunno, its supposed to be better than windows, and i want to learn programming, and i guess the tools for python and such are not free in windows but theya re in linux, i want to get into programming, and 2d/3d graphics and animation, and all the normal desktop stuff... i dont know what other things u would do are? im not doing server stuff, and for games ill keep windows xp
[10:24] <GuiRC> anyone uses dialed connection (56K) with Ubuntu here??
[10:24] <marsh> and cdrecord is installed - but not found with graveman - hang on I'll check where
[10:24] <snoopy_> i have a linksys card with a broadcom chip
[10:24] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ... whats the difference between / and /home
[10:24] <snoopy_> and it does not work for some reason...
[10:24] <signius> broadcom chipset forget it
[10:24] <FR500> snoopy_, mine works
[10:24] <FR500> snoopy_, use ndiswrapper
[10:24] <signius> unless you want to use ndiswrappers
[10:24] <snoopy_> it kinda works...
[10:24] <stazz> Chislon: / is the lowest level of all directories
[10:24] <snoopy_> i did..
[10:24] <FR500> and?
[10:24] <yahalom> how do i do this: /etc/resolv.conf  is  a  symbolic  link  to  /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?
[10:25] <snoopy_> i tries this thing on ubuntu forms.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[10:25] <signius> if you need rfmon or anything likw that though your screwed with ndiswrappers
[10:25] <Chetic> Wow the help I'm getting here is just tremendous
[10:25] <stazz> Chislon: /home is a home -directory, and it serve as a "mountpoint" for some partition. but it contains users personal data&settings
[10:25] <Chislon> stazz i thought that you put linux on one partition, swap on another, and boot on another, why am i doing two partitions or linux?
[10:25] <Chetic> brb, shooting myself
[10:25] <FR500> yahalom, you never asked a querstion
[10:25] <dReadMoRe> how can i install mplayer?
[10:25] <FR500> signius, normal users dont use rfmon
[10:25] <yahalom> FR500, how do i make /etc/resolv.conf   a  symbolic  link  to  /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?
[10:25] <stazz> Chislon: You should have at least three partitions, swap, root (/) and /home
[10:25] <snoopy_> it recieves  and sends packets as told by the applet but it does not work when i use a web browser..
[10:25] <signius> i bet you cant use kismet or similar utilities with your broadcom chipset and ndis wrappers tho
[10:25] <FR500> ln --help?
[10:25] <forced> Chislon: www.pathname.com/fhs - Might help you understand the directory structure.
[10:26] <LinuxJones> Chislon, all of your personal files and personal settings are separate from the core of the OS. On their own partition you can do a re-install if something bad happens and keep all of your settings.
[10:26] <yahalom> FR500, i tried. i want to make sure i got it right
[10:26] <marsh> Fator_Dee: i was wrong - all the progs are there - i was looking at the other parameters boxes...
[10:26] <signius> FR500: Are you claiming im not normal ???????????????????
[10:26] <stazz> Chislon: swap serves as a "pagefile" or "ram-extension", if /home is on a separate partition, it's fairly easily to reset the entire system without loosing any personal data
[10:26] <Earthen> snoopy make sure you have the right DNS's
[10:26] <snoopy_> Earthen: how do i do that?
[10:26] <Chislon> forced, thank you
[10:26] <signius> LMAO i wish i had a 1 for every time i been told that
[10:26] <yahalom> FR500, ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf ??
[10:26] <forced> Np.
[10:26] <signius> fuck would i be seriously rich
[10:27] <Chislon> LinuxJones, on that sounds good, am i, being new to linux, likely to mess stuff up?^^
[10:27] <Chislon> stazz, ok that sounds good
[10:27] <FR500> signius, lol, i didnt say anything
[10:27] <FR500> signius, i meant the avergae user
[10:27] <stazz> Chislon: it's kinda like having d:\ partition for documents & settings and for other stuff
[10:27] <LinuxJones> Chislon, everybody does...it takes a few months before you start feeling comfortable with the basics :)
[10:27] <Earthen> thats a good question
[10:27] <signius> screwing stuff up and then sussing out how to fix it is how you will expand your knowledge
[10:27] <forced> Chislon, You're likely to mess something up on ANY os if you're new.
[10:27] <snoopy_> Earthen: i have these in my dns;s list : <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:27] <Chislon> so will doing 1 gig of swap be better tho? i dont mind using that much space for it, but if thats going to be useless tho then i obviously dont want to do it
[10:27] <Chislon> stazz, ah ok thank you
[10:27] <FR500> yahalom, yes it's right
[10:28] <Earthen> ok the it should be ok
[10:28] <pfp> Chetic: i'm not xactly an expert w/ X, but what display card do you have?
[10:28] <FR500> snoopy_, can you ping your gateway?
[10:28] <yahalom> FR500, thanx
[10:28] <snoopy_> hmm..
[10:28] <forced> Chislon, General rule of thumb for swap is memory * 2... Unless it's over a gig, then a gig of swap is fine.
[10:28] <IIIEars> signius - jeez looks like i'll be a linux Einstein inside of 6 weeks - j/k - grin
[10:28] <snoopy_> ping gateway?
[10:28] <Chislon> LinuxJones, heh heh alright :) i tried to install ubuntu when i got up... but now i have a bunch of tabs up in firefox to look over and some printouts i did, i thought id be able to install it easily, but i have tons to read yet :)
[10:28] <Chetic> pfp - I have an ATi X800XL (PCI-E)
[10:28] <FR500> ping your default gateway
[10:28] <LinuxJones> Chislon, with 700+megs of ram it probably will not even be used, I think 500 will be ok but if you wnat to make it 1 gig it won't hurt anything.
[10:28] <FR500> your router
[10:28] <Earthen> I had that problem with my dialup connection one time and it was because i was not getting my DNS's
[10:29] <Chislon> forced, ok thanks, and all the webpages i read say that the old memory * 2 rule is no longer a good rule of thumb, that that was for older comps when you hardly had memory
[10:29] <Earthen> snoopy can you ping www.google.com
[10:29] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ok thank you
[10:29] <kbrooks_> brb
[10:29] <pfp> Chetic: ok, ati cards need (or at least benefit from) propietary drivers, have you installed those?
[10:29] <snoopy_> let me try
[10:29] <Chislon> what partition program do you recommend using... hopefully a free one?
[10:29] <forced> Chislon, That's why I said over a gig = set it to a gig of swap. :P That's where the benefits begin to of the rule of thumb start to dissipate.
[10:29] <FR500> Earthen, shouldnt try to ping the router first? he said he is using ndiswrapper
[10:29] <Chetic> pfp - yeah..
[10:29] <LinuxJones> Chislon, the installer can do partitioning
[10:29] <snoopy_> it says google cannot be found..
[10:29] <stazz> Chislon: if you don't need to resize any partitions, go with the ones on the installer
[10:30] <kbrooks> brb.
[10:30] <jaysin> can anyone help me with gnomebaker? everytime i try to burn  a cd, it asks me to insert the blank media, then it errors out after i do
[10:30] <IIIEars>  - "$ sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 " and do _not_ do the permanent "vm.swappiness=10 to /etc/sysctl.conf", or a different command will do the same
[10:30] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner i use sysctl -a | grep vm
[10:30] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner vm.overcommit_memory = 1
[10:30] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner i dont use swap @ all
[10:30] <Chislon> LinuxJones, it didnt seem to?
[10:30] <Chislon> im pretty sure i need to resize my partition to make room
[10:30] <signius> when i browse fiolders and file with the file browser in Places
[10:30] <snoopy_> FR500: how do i ping my router?
[10:30] <Earthen> ok so can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:30] <Chislon> i need to resize my windwos partition i think, otherwise id ont ahve any room
[10:30] <lsuactiafner> is rtc or hpet better?
[10:30] <signius> can i set it not to open a new window for every level
[10:31] <lsuactiafner> ping address -c 5
[10:31] <signius> its driving me mad
[10:31] <LinuxJones> Chislon, can you do that in windows ?
[10:31] <marsh> everything still fails though - immediately i ask it to do something
[10:31] <Earthen> snoppy can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:31] <signius> i just want it to change directories within the same window
[10:31] <marsh> fator: everything still fails though - immediately i ask it to do something
[10:31] <Chislon> forced, ok... so is 1 gig of swap good if i have 736mb of ram, or ur saying i should do 1472mb of swap?
[10:31] <pfp> Chetic: have you tried running 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' ?
[10:31] <FR500> snoopy_, run "ip route" there should be a route that says default via
[10:31] <Chislon> LinuxJones, not with out a program of some kind i dont think
[10:31] <LinuxJones> Chislon, just free up some space after doing a defrag and boot into the Ubuntu installer cd
[10:31] <forced> 1 gig shoudl be enough, heh.
[10:31] <snoopy_> Earthen: it doesnt
[10:32] <FR500> snoopy_, ping the ip address that is after via
[10:32] <Chetic> pfp - no, what's that?
[10:32] <kbrooks> erm
[10:32] <wawa> Chislon: use partition magic
[10:32] <LinuxJones> Chislon, I haven't run windows in 5 years so I don't know if Ubuntu supports ntfs resizing.
[10:32] <marsh> and there's no help from the graveman site - their FAQ only has 2 questions - surely there has to be more than 2 FAQ's!!
[10:32] <Chislon> LinuxJones, i did that, and i dunno i am not sure that it wouldnt clear away windows or soemthing?
[10:32] <Chislon> wawa, is there a free one?
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> marsh: you could try gnomebaker
[10:32] <Earthen> snoffy :ok so you have some other problem sorry
[10:32] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ok, thank you :)
[10:32] <kbrooks> this gnome-terminal simply doesnt display a prompt
[10:32] <wawa> Chislon: try to check if they have free trial
[10:33] <kbrooks> why?
[10:33] <Chislon> wawa, they dont
[10:33] <pfp> Chetic: it re-runs the configure scripts from package xserver-xorg, asking you about display h/w etc.
[10:33] <Chislon> wawa, i checked earlier
[10:33] <marsh> Fator_Dee, does it make audio cd's? i used to use k3b & it was xlnt... but kdebase wont install on ubuntu >:(
[10:33] <Chetic> pfp - alright that might help.. but how many kilobytes is 256MB exactly?
[10:33] <pfp> Chetic: you should choose the correct driver there (fgrlxsomehthing for ati cards i think)
[10:33] <snoopy_> FR500: i pinged <IP_ADDRESS> and it said 100% packet loss
[10:33] <marsh> so i can't have it...
[10:33] <Chetic> pfp - yeah
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> marsh: not sure about that
[10:33] <FR500> what is your ip?
[10:33] <marsh> 'cause i cant make kdebase install
[10:33] <Chislon> and everyone agrees that 6 gig is good for /?
[10:34] <kbrooks> brb
[10:34] <FR500> snoopy_, then you are not connected
[10:34] <snoopy_> hmm
[10:34] <pfp> Chetic: usually you dont need to specify your video ram anywhere, should be autoconfigured, but 256 MB == 256*1024 kB
[10:34] <marsh> anyone know what the main kde package is called?
[10:34] <pfp> *detected
[10:34] <marsh> is it qt?
[10:34] <FR500> snoopy_, then you are not connected
[10:34] <snoopy_> FR500: the applet says it is sending and recieving packets via wlan0
[10:34] <wawa> Chislon: I dont know of any other....you can reformat your HDD and do the partition there
[10:35] <Chislon> wawa, ok thank you
[10:35] <FR500> snoopy_, that doesnt mean anything
[10:35] <snoopy_> hmm
[10:35] <snoopy_> any suggestions?
[10:35] <FR500> snoopy_, run iwconfig, check if your essid is set
[10:35] <snoopy_> yes
[10:35] <FR500> and your ap is set?
[10:35] <FR500> to the mac of the ap
[10:35] <snoopy_> it has some key for ap
[10:36] <FR500> hmm
[10:36] <FR500> can you ping other pcs in the network?
[10:36] <marsh> and does anyone also know how to get a list of available packages in apt-get using regex? like doing a 'yum search'  -  to find matches in the description?
[10:36] <snoopy_> how do i?
[10:36] <wawa> Anyone using VLC and getting good picture on fullscreen?
[10:37] <FR500> snoopy_, get the ip of the other pc and type ping ip_of_the_other_oc
[10:37] <wawa> mine is going blurred as soon as I put on fullscreen
[10:37] <FR500> Marsh, are you running X?
[10:37] <marsh> Oh yes..
[10:38] <marsh> gnome - default install - with a few bits on top...
[10:38] <FR500> then why not search with synaptic?
[10:38] <snoopy_> FR500: i did ping it and it did nothing....the ping kept on saying "sendmsg:operation not permitted"
[10:38] <FR500> operation not permited
[10:38] <FR500> something is working bad
[10:38] <snoopy_> yes
[10:38] <IIIEars> wawa - did you need my settings? - it works okay here.
[10:38] <FR500> do you have iptables?
[10:38] <snoopy_> i have firestarter set up..
[10:39] <FR500> disable it
[10:39] <stuNNed> does apt-get have a logfile of installed packages?
[10:39] <marsh> synaptic?
[10:39] <marsh> me?
[10:39] <wawa> IIIEars: yes please send me
[10:39] <FR500> marsh, yes
[10:39] <FR500> marsh, don't like it?
[10:39] <stuNNed> and if i place a script in /etc/rc2.d will it start once upon entering ubuntu's default runlevel 2?
[10:39] <pfp> stuNNed: dpkg --get-selections | less
[10:39] <stuNNed> pfp: thanks
[10:39] <marsh> 'cause i've never heard of it...?!?!?! - hang on, I'll check it out...
[10:39] <FR500> stuNNed, yes
[10:39] <snoopy_> FR500: aha ! it pings..
[10:39] <marsh> p^ss1w0rd
[10:40] <stuNNed> FR500: thanks
[10:40] <FR500> and the router?
[10:40] <FR500> if you are behind a nat router you dont need firestarter
[10:40] <pfp> stuNNed: altough rc[0-9] .d usually contain only symlinks to /etc/init.d/foo
[10:40] <stuNNed> pfp: a logfile based on time when they were installed
[10:40] <snoopy_> FR500: it works!!!!!
[10:40] <Chislon> alright i gotta go for a bit, thanks for the help everyone
[10:41] <snoopy_> FR500: my goodness
[10:41] <FR500> snoopy_, now ping google
[10:41] <snoopy_> ok
[10:41] <FR500> snoopy_, common problem
[10:41] <snoopy_> FR500: yes it works..
[10:41] <Chetic> FUCK
[10:41] <pfp> stuNNed: not Cafaik... altough you could try looking at timestamps for /usr/share/doc/$package :/
[10:41] <FR500> snoopy_, i think you better remove or disable firestarter if you are never gonna be connected to a network with public ips
[10:41] <Chetic> I mean... darn
[10:42] <benplaut> anyone here have/use an IBM Atheros A/B/G Mini-PCI wireless card?
[10:42] <snoopy_> FR500: how do i set up firestarter with it..
[10:42] <stuNNed> pfp: would be nice, eh? :)
[10:42] <Chetic> pfp - It gives me the exact same message still
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, never used it
[10:42] <snoopy_> FR500: i also want it to work with WPA
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, i use iptables directly
[10:42] <snoopy_> ok
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, go to #ndiswrapper
[10:42] <snoopy_> how does that work?
[10:42] <stuNNed> pfp: i.e. want to try out a package and it installs deps but lost track of what it installed
[10:42] <snoopy_> ok
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, iptables: all command line
[10:42] <snoopy_> ah
[10:43] <mjr> benplaut, should work with the drivers in linux-restricted-modules
[10:43] <snoopy_> i'm new to linux..
[10:43] <FR500> benplaut, i have an atheros ABG
[10:43] <pfp> stuNNed: yeah, thats a common problem... deborphan is handy for removing unused libraries though
[10:43] <Chetic> I _STILLLL_ get "(EE) No devices detected." - Somebody PLEASE help.
[10:43] <FR500> Chetic, you using breezy?
[10:44] <Chetic> FR500 - I have no idea what that is so I don't think so
[10:44] <FR500> Chetic, default Hoary setup?
[10:44] <pfp> Chetic: could you post output of startx somewhere? (like http://ubuntu.pastebin.com )
[10:44] <snoopy_> FR500: many thanks....i will try to make it work with WPA now..
[10:44] <Chetic> FR500 - Yes default
[10:44] <FR500> snoopy_, np
[10:44] <snoopy_> FR500: thanks!
[10:44] <Chetic> pfp - how? I don't have any X or anything...
[10:44] <FR500> snoopy_, btw, what exact card do you have, i have wpc54 with speedbooster and it doesnt work
[10:45] <snoopy_> i have a wmp54g linksys with broadcom chipset
[10:45] <FR500> mine has broadcom too
[10:45] <FR500> hmm
[10:45] <benplaut> mjr, FR500: does scanning work?
[10:45] <FR500> benplaut, yes
[10:46] <FR500> of the box
[10:46] <Chetic> FR500 - Yeah I have the default hoary setup but, why?
[10:46] <benplaut> darn!
[10:46] <Lafitte-> what is the format command in linux ?    man format gives nothing
[10:46] <benplaut> this card gives me a headache...
[10:46] <pfp> Chetic: mm, right... do you have any web space available where you could put it?
[10:46] <stazz> Lafitte-: basically you do a new filesystem
[10:46] <benplaut> and it's supposed to have good support :P
[10:46] <stazz> Lafitte-: so if you want to format an ext3 partition, you just overwrite the last one
[10:47] <Chetic> pfp - Yes but I don't know HOW I would put it anywhere without any graphical interface
[10:47] <Lafitte-> stazz,  i set the drive to fat32 in cfdisk
[10:47] <pfp> Lafitte-: mke2fs or mkfs
[10:47] <stazz> Lafitte-: mkfs.vfat :)
[10:47] <FR500> Chetic, cuz mine has worked on every box i tried
[10:47] <sevets> Hello
[10:47] <Chetic> FR500 - Have you ever tried on a Athlon64 with a PCI-E X800 ATi card?
[10:48] <sevets> How do I format an ntfs hard drive with ubuntu?
[10:48] <Lafitte-> THANKS
[10:48] <FR500> Ath 64 yes, with gf 5700
[10:48] <FR500> benplaut, consider urself lucky, when fc2 was released there was no way to get it to work till ndiswrapper 0.1
[10:48] <Chetic> Well that's easy
[10:48] <sevets> the fs shouldn't matter hmm
[10:48] <FR500> benplaut, can you connect?
[10:48] <stazz> sevets: besically you don't/shouldn't
[10:48] <Chetic> FR500 - nvidia cards always work great. Ati never.
[10:48] <anna> sevets: Formating is reseting the FS
[10:48] <sevets> Yes
[10:48] <anna> And as such, the fs matters most
[10:48] <FR500> you gotta harrass your manufacturer for decent drivers
[10:48] <pfp> Chetic: 'startx > startx.txt 2> &1 ' puts the output to the named file, can you upload it w/ for example FTP to your proider?
[10:49] <sevets> I want to format it with a friendlier FS
[10:49] <anna> Linux knows litterally a lot of FS
[10:49] <hondje> people have been harrassing ati for years, still no good drivers :)
[10:49] <anna> Ah, if you want to use normal Linux fs, it is as easy
[10:49] <sevets> Yes
[10:49] <Chetic> pfp - I don't know how to use FTP out in the console..
[10:49] <nxv_> what is gam_server?
[10:49] <anna> mkfs is your friend
[10:50] <FR500> Chetic ftp ip_add
[10:50] <sevets> mkfs
[10:50] <sevets> ok
[10:50] <pfp> Chetic: easy :) just type 'ftp ftp.provider.com'
[10:50] <anna> Maybe qparted could do it too
[10:50] <FR500> then bin to get binary files and mget to get files
[10:50] <Chetic> pfp - ok but I don't have any FTP to upload to
[10:50] <pfp> Chetic: oh, heh... umm
[10:51] <geppy> Where does f-spot keep its configuration?  I can't seem to find it in ~/.gconf/applications
[10:51] <anna> e.g. mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda3
[10:51] <sevets> ok that sounds good
[10:51] <geppy> Oh, ~/.gnome2/f-spot
[10:51] <Chetic> pfp - I see no reason for you to read the rest though.. it really doesn't say anything new
[10:51] <anna> Just be sure the device is the correct one, sevets
[10:51] <anna> And have it not mounted
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> Chetic : ncftp link
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> get put ls is all the commands you need
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> ncftp demit
[10:52] <Chetic> lsuactiafner - ok now get me an ftp to do that on :(
[10:52] <sevets> anna: what does the -t stand for?
[10:52] <pfp> Chetic: it would tell eg. if x has the wrong driver configured
[10:53] <mats> hello! i got the same problem wich is suscribed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12579 , does anybody know whats need to be done?
[10:53] <Chetic> pfp - I've tried ati, fglrx and vga, they all give the same
[10:54] <pfp> Chetic: hmm, it might have to do w/ the fact that your card is pci-e; i dont have any experience with those
[10:54] <Chetic> ok.. has anyone ever used an ATi PCI-E card in linux? ever?
[10:54] <FR500> benplaut,
[10:54] <FR500> benplaut, did you get it to work?
[10:54] <sevets> whats the command to delete something using the terminal?
[10:54] <FR500> benplaut, it works with madwifi
[10:55] <FR500> sevets, rm
[10:55] <mats> rm
[10:55] <FR500> Chetic, maybe at the wiki?
[10:55] <mats> what can i do when all mediaplayers fail to play on my laptop?
[10:55] <sevets> FR500: and for a directory?
[10:56] <Chetic> FR500 - you know how fun it is to browse around in lynx on these sites? :\
[10:56] <pfp> FR500: rm -r directory
[10:56] <lsuactiafner> mats : have you tried mplayer?
[10:56] <lsuactiafner> and what are you trying to play?
[10:56] <pfp> Chetic: elinks and links are a bit better
[10:56] <FR500> Sevets if it's empty rmdir
[10:56] <lsuactiafner> encrypted wmv will be a drag
[10:56] <mrkrabs> mats: hi, do you have installed additionally libs?
[10:56] <FR500> otherwise rm -rf dir
[10:56] <mats> yes, but i think its a problem with my system.. and i don't know what :o
[10:57] <marsh> FR500, synaptic looks pretty bloody handy, dont it?
[10:57] <FR500> Chetic, try to set xorg to use vesafb
[10:57] <FR500> marsh, yes
[10:57] <marsh> cheers, man
[10:57] <FR500> np
[10:57] <SeamusLP> mats:  Does totem-xine work?
[10:57] <mats> mrkrabs: iv installed whats in with the installingprogram. Some more libs i need?
[10:57] <marsh> I'm upgrading everything now - see if i get any result from that
[10:57] <Chetic> FR500 - is that a driver?
[10:57] <kyle_> hmmm.
[10:57] <mats> SeamusLP: nothing works.. it must be the system.
[10:57] <mats> :(
[10:57] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal
[10:57] <mrkrabs> mats, install most (or better all) of the gstream libs
[10:57] <FR500> Chetic, yes
[10:57] <kyle_> it says
[10:58] <marsh> Fator_Dee, thanks to you too, geez
[10:58] <kyle_> it says
[10:58] <mrkrabs> mats, mp3 isn't working out of the box cause of license-stuff
[10:58] <marsh> here's hoping i get some sort of result from this 'ere box of mine...
[10:58] <Chetic> FR500 - same stuff plus "failed to load module vesafb, doesn't exist"
[10:58] <kyle_> there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[10:58] <kyle_> wtf?
[10:58] <mrkrabs> mats, only thing working is wav, and i bet you dont have your tracks saved as wav-files ;-)
[10:58] <mats> mrkrabs: just by apt-get install gstream*
[10:59] <mats> haha, no :(
[10:59] <SeamusLP> mats:  I use the xine backend for totem.  It supports a good number of video codecs.  The command to get it is: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[10:59] <mrkrabs> when you use ubuntu, use the synaptic-prog
[10:59] <kyle_> mats, \*
[10:59] <mats> but dvds should play.. and thats where my system totaly crashed
[10:59] <SeamusLP> mats:  But for audio I just use the default, rhythmbox with all of the gstreamer codecs
[11:00] <mrkrabs> for the mp3-libs, you have to add the "universe" source to your apt-get-list
[11:01] <FR500> Chetic modprobe vesafb first
[11:01] <FR500> and driver is probably jsut vesa
[11:01] <FR500> dont remember well
[11:01] <mats> if i only get to play dvds im happy ;)
[11:01] <mats> hihi
[11:01] <limer> anyone know how to fix "invisible" contacts in Skype?
[11:01] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal
[11:01] <kyle_> it says
[11:01] <kyle_> there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[11:01] <kyle_> WHAT THE F?
[11:01] <mats> mrkrabs: im downloading all the gstreams now.. do you think that will help?
[11:02] <Chetic> FR500 - Oh my god... I actually got in to X!! Finally some progress, thank you!
[11:02] <mats> gstreamlibs
[11:02] <FR500> Chetic, you are not using your card acceleration though
[11:02] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal
[11:02] <FR500> at all
[11:02] <kyle_> it says
[11:02] <mrkrabs> mats, yes, look for the gstreamer0.8-mad library!
[11:02] <kyle_> there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[11:02] <kyle_> WHAT THE F?
[11:02] <mats> SeamusLP: totem-xine wasnt in my apt-get ;)
[11:02] <kyle_> i need help!
[11:02] <mats> mrkrabs: will do!
[11:02] <tchmnky> Anybody know a command for detecting the filesystems of a partition on, say, /dev/hdb1 ?
[11:03] <FR500> using vesafb should be on the wiki, works almost everytime when video doesnt work
[11:03] <Chetic> FR500 - I know that.. but at least I'm seeing something
[11:03] <FR500> Chetic, now you can browse the wiki
[11:04] <SeamusLP> mats:  You need to enable the universe repository...
[11:04] <mrkrabs> mats, are you still using console-based apt-get or the graphical synaptic-program?
[11:04] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal, it says: there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[11:04] <mats> SeamusLP: how do i do that?
[11:04] <kyle_> Ubuntu 5.04
[11:04] <kyle_> XFCE
[11:04] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, thought i already mentioned it :-P
[11:04] <kyle_> using bash
[11:04] <mats> mrkrabs: im using console-based apt-get
[11:04] <IIIEars> tchmnky - fstab | grep hdb1 ? (i am really new)
[11:05] <mats> mrkrabs: console is the only way to go ;)
[11:05] <SeamusLP> mats: you need to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <tchmnky> IIIEars, AH-HA! Read /etc/fstab. Thank you. You're a genius and I'm thinking too hard. :)
[11:05] <mrkrabs> mats, oh...no x server
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> tchmnky : cfdish /dev/hda hdb or sda or sdb
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> cfdisk
[11:05] <mats> mrkrabs: oh, yes - of course.. but in a terminal
[11:05] <mats> ;)
[11:05] <mrkrabs> mats, i'm not really familiar with apt-get, but i know how, wait a sec.
[11:05] <benplaut> FR500: had to go out and fold a tent :p  | yeah, it works, but scanning does not work, so therefore i can only connect using the Gnome network applet, becuase all the other applets (like GTKwifi) require scanning to work
[11:06] <mrkrabs> mats, add following lines in you /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:06] <FR500> benplaut, that is weird, usually if scan doesnt work you can't set essit
[11:06] <mats> mrkrabs: ok ;)
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> umm
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> just use synaptic and change sources ect
[11:07] <Lafitte-> how do i add a vfat drive to the automount?
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> edit /etc/fstab
[11:08] <mrkrabs> mats, comment out the line "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted" and replace it with "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted"
[11:08] <mrkrabs> mats, the only different in it is the keyword "universe"
[11:08] <SeamusLP> matrkrabs:  mats is using hoary, right?
[11:08] <eks> Lafitte-: /dev/hda1       /mnt/win        vfat    defaults,rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022    0       0
[11:08] <eks> in /etc/fstab
[11:08] <mats> SeamusLP: yes
[11:08] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs I mean
[11:08] <lsuactiafner> wow long domain
[11:08] <mats> mrkrabs: ok, ill try ;)
[11:08] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, i think so...
[11:08] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner, ok   is there a readme file because im not sure what to add there for it ?
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> do what eks said
[11:09] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, but it all based on debian
[11:09] <limer> anyone know how to fix "invisible" contacts in Skype?
[11:09] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, so it has do be the same in all ubuntus
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> if your partition for windows is called /dev/hda1
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> and if you mkdir /mnt/win
[11:09] <eks> Lafitte-: if you wan to mount your vfat partition in /mnt/win
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> but ubuntu shouldve put an automount to start with?
[11:09] <Lafitte-> i changed it to shared
[11:09] <Lafitte-> its not win
[11:10] <Lafitte-> its a share between windows
[11:10] <eks> then change the line too :)
[11:10] <rosa> hello
[11:10] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  I was curious because obviously the universe repository for hoary will be different from warty
[11:10] <rosa> hola gente
[11:10] <mrkrabs> mats, are you ready?
[11:10] <Lafitte-> it looks good thanks guys
[11:11] <compro> hello
[11:11] <mats> mrkrabs: soon.. doing the apt-get update now ;)
[11:11] <eks> Lafitte-: you're welcome
[11:11] <rosa> hello compro
[11:11] <mats> like that, ready
[11:11] <compro> quick question...how do i get a modprobe command to run at bootup?
[11:11] <tchmnky> Ok, I've found that the windows partition is on /dev/hdb1. Will a simple root (hdb1,0) in grub menu.lst allow me to boot it?
[11:11] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it?
[11:11] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, i dont think so, because if you are going to make another universe repository for EACH debian clone...have fun :-D
[11:12] <mats> now i also found the gstreamer0.8-mad file
[11:12] <mrkrabs> mats, thats the way, man!
[11:12] <tchmnky> compro, manually, you can add a startup script in /etc/rc2.d/ but there is an automatic way to do it with update-rc.d I think.
[11:12] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  All repositories are feature frozen after a certain point in development, afterwards only security updates can be added.
[11:12] <mrkrabs> mats, you should also find a mpeg2 lib
[11:12] <tchmnky> compro, that's if #2 is your default runlevel.
[11:12] <mats> mrkrabs: im learing ;)
[11:12] <mrkrabs> mats,  thats good
[11:13] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, thats right
[11:13] <rosa> what is #2??
[11:13] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  Therefore it would not be possible to make the warty and hoary universe repositories the same
[11:13] <mats> mpeg0.8 ;)
[11:13] <holo> liblame0 has anything to do with seeing the image of a movie? i have sound but totem still doesn't show image
[11:13] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, hey, just see, that they are using different ones, sorry
[11:14] <eks> tchmnky: adding a line in /etc/modules wouldn't be enought ?
[11:14] <compro> i just want the module to load every time the computer boots up. is there a modules.conf anywhere?
[11:14] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, i was wrong
[11:14] <Unintentional> hey, what command do I use to get a list of users?
[11:14] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it? :x
[11:14] <eks> compro : /etc/modules
[11:14] <Mojo_Jojo> I have a question, I was trying to change ubuntu to kubuntu for my. I did 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it worked fine.
[11:14] <tchmnky> eks - Ah. So that's how it's done.
[11:14] <Mojo_Jojo> then I restarted the computer
[11:14] <punkass> compro: /etc/modules
[11:14] <eks> up ;)
[11:14] <Mojo_Jojo> and there is a KDE login at first... but then it goes to gnome
[11:14] <tchmnky> eks, I'll remember that one in future. Thank you. :)
[11:14] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, but my foreseeing skills were saying to me, that mats is using hoary
[11:14] <mats> totem-xine will play dvds also? ;)
[11:14] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  Yeah no big deal.  It's just if they were the same, you'd have serious dependency issues
[11:14] <compro> thank you.
[11:15] <eks> That's a pleasure
[11:15] <mrkrabs> mats, with the right libs, yes
[11:15] <rosa> .
[11:15] <mrkrabs> mats, but if you have encryptet dvds, you need the libdvdcss lib...
[11:15] <SeamusLP> holo: liblame0 is an mp3 encoder
[11:15] <mrkrabs> mats, dunno if it is allowed in your coutry ;-)
[11:15] <JDahl> holo, the latter...
[11:15] <mats> mrkrabs: now iv done apt-get install gstreamer* - who gave me *ALL* gstreamer libs.. do i need any more?
[11:16] <mrkrabs> mats, no, don think so
[11:16] <holo> SeamusLP: yeah but still i cant' see nothing :\
[11:16] <rosa> try distro LOCO
[11:16] <SeamusLP> holo:  Yeah you're using the gstreamer backend probably, which is more for sound.  Try getting vlc, mplayer, or totem-xine (or all of these) and play a few movies.
[11:17] <kyle_> uh
[11:17] <mats> mrkrabs: ok, then i need to get libdvdcss to ;) wich lib do i need for mp3 and ogg?
[11:17] <holo> SeamusLP: :s i thought totem needed totem-xine in the fist place to work
[11:17] <lsuactiafner> is there a way to disable a certain package by default in apt-get?
[11:18] <mrkrabs> mats, i think ogg is supported out of the box and the gstreamer-mad was for mp3
[11:18] <hondje> lsuactiafner: define disable...make it so no one can install it?
[11:18] <eks> lsuactiafner: yes, with apt-preference
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> as in when i type apt-get upgrade it should be ignored
[11:18] <SeamusLP> holo:  No, totem can use gstreamer and xine
[11:18] <mats> mrkrabs: ok, thanks for all help. Wish me luck! ;)
[11:18] <holo> i use only mplayer with its beatifull flags, when it comes to beatifull frontends i'm clueless
[11:18] <hondje> yeah, apt-preference like eks said
[11:18] <mrkrabs> mats, i do"
[11:18] <hondje> /etc/apt/preferences
[11:18] <lsuactiafner>  /etc/apt/preferences
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> but what do i put in nit?
[11:19] <kyle_> uh
[11:19] <thr1ce> what types of updates can be used with backports?
[11:19] <mrkrabs> mats, how long does it take?
[11:19] <lsuactiafner> syntax is not described
[11:19] <thr1ce> say I wanted gaim 1.30
[11:19] <hondje> lsuactiafner: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html
[11:19] <SeamusLP> mats:  you can get a ton of codecs for mplayer and totem-xine here http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[11:19] <holo> SeamusLP: don't you think it would be common sense to ubuntu have that installed in the first place, it is a fact that a desktop user will be seeing movies once in a while
[11:19] <hondje> lsuactiafner: follow that, it's pretty straight-foward, if odd syntax
[11:19] <IIIEars> hondje - nice tip :) - Thank You
[11:19] <lsuactiafner> Added HTTP/FTP grab [5/5]
[11:19] <hondje> :)
[11:19] <thr1ce> nobody uses backports?
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> mats : download the all-bleh
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[11:20] <mats> all-bleh?
[11:20] <SeamusLP> holo:  I'm not sure what their rationale is, but if you look on the breezy goals there's a good bit of deliberation about switching to totem-xine.  I believe someone is working on splitting the codecs now.
[11:21] <lsuactiafner> the link doesnt seem to explain what i  want to do
[11:21] <mrkrabs> jopp
[11:21] <lsuactiafner> mplayer > all
[11:21] <holo> SeamusLP: you said about installing mplayer.. totem can use mplayer backend too?
[11:21] <divadssdavid> hello, I wonder if anyone of you knows how to correct the KDE not having mime types rendering kde and all of its applications practically useless
[11:21] <SeamusLP> holo:  No mplayer is a standalone app
[11:22] <SeamusLP> holo: I use totem-xine most of the time, but once in awhile there's something only mplayer can play
[11:22] <IIIEars> What video player has the sunglasses logo?
[11:22] <mats> no, the system still fucks up. The Application KDE Daeamon /kded) crashed and couse the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) <-- what does that mean? :p
[11:23] <kyle_> ALL terminal emulators dont work
[11:23] <mrkrabs> mats, was this message for me?
[11:23] <holo> SeamusLP: i love mplayer, it supports almost every video output, and its command line options are enormous :D
[11:23] <lsuactiafner> xterm is nice
[11:24] <ComPro> ok i added snd_virmidi to the /etc/modules file, and when i rebooted, i had no sound at all, but when i modprobe snd_virmidi, it works just fine. how can i get it to work at boot?
[11:24] <mats> mrkrabs: for anyone ;) do you know what it means?
[11:24] <lsuactiafner> mplayer is one of the most popular downloads on freshmeat
[11:24] <eks> Eterm too
[11:24] <mats> mrkrabs: i dont have any idea
[11:24] <Chetic> Is there a way to limit the max download speed of apt-get?
[11:24] <SeamusLP> holo:  Yeah it's not bad, I may switch to it if I can get a decent UI for it.  That's really the reason I'm using totem.
[11:24] <mrkrabs> mats, not really, but what are you trying to start?
[11:24] <mrkrabs> mats, and how is you mp3-thing going?
[11:25] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[11:25] <mats> havnt tryd any mp3 yet. When i put the dvd into my pc whis message comes up.. over-and-over again
[11:25] <holo> SeamusLP: i can't get this information for myself, totem has subtitle browse support? you are right, mplayer gui suck, i think the developer is much interested in that
[11:26] <holo> but i made a script to mplayer that is very handy :D
[11:26] <mrkrabs> apollo2011, isnt it a centrino built-in wlanchip?
[11:26] <lsuactiafner> mplayer gui looks sexy
[11:26] <mrkrabs> mats, is it totem, xine-ui or what are you trying to start?
[11:26] <holo> *is not much interested in that
[11:26] <Chetic> Can't mplayer be apt-get'd?
[11:26] <apollo2011> mrkrabs: no its a Broadcom.  I got it because it was A/B/G wireless
[11:26] <hondje> Chetic: It's in multiverse :)
[11:26] <holo> lsuactiafner: ok you said that becouse i said otherwise
[11:27] <Chetic> hondje, ah thanks
[11:27] <apollo2011> mrkrabs: Dell calls it a Dell card but they re-sell it and it is really a Broadcom manufactured card
[11:27] <mrkrabs> hm...what chipset? isnt it supported by any os-projects?
[11:27] <eks> ComPro: are you sure you added it on a new line, correctly spelled ?
[11:27] <SeamusLP> holo: Not sure, I don't use subtitles
[11:27] <ComPro> yes, i did.
[11:27] <bwb>  hey.... Is it possible to mirror logical volumes (and constrain them to different physical discs) so that if one disc fails I'll still have a copy of everything for the logical volume on a seperate disk?
[11:27] <holo> SeamusLP: :p
[11:27] <mats> mrkrabs: im not trying to stat anything.. possible kde trys to start someting for me.. but i dont know how to turn it of..
[11:27] <eks> strange :(
[11:27] <mjr> bwb, put a raid-1 under the lvm
[11:27] <ComPro> that file is only required to get timidity working in wine, it's not my main sound, so it shouldn't have killed it.
[11:27] <mrkrabs> mats, do you have dma enabled for your dvd-device?
[11:28] <Chetic> How do I add the multiverse to my sources.list file? I only have universe..
[11:28] <bwb> mjr: will that mirror just paritions or entire drives tho?
[11:28] <bwb> mjr: because I don't have enough space to mirror everything
[11:28] <eks> Chetic: yes
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> umm
[11:28] <mjr> bwb, Linux's software raid works with partitions
[11:28] <eks> Chetic: in synaptic
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> how do i make apt-get donwload a package and no dependancies?
[11:28] <mrkrabs> Chetic, simply add the keyword "multiverse" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:28] <SeamusLP> mats:  Isn't there a #kubuntu channel?  #ubuntu is more for gnome users I think
[11:28] <mats> mrkrabs: i dont think so.. i dont remember how iv sheck anyway :p
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> like i want mplayer-fonts but not mplayer itself
[11:29] <bwb> mjr: ah cool....
[11:29] <eks> lsuactiafner: download manualy the .deb file
[11:29] <Lafitte-> has anyone managed to setup a built in ricoh card reader yet ?
[11:29] <mrkrabs> mats, ok, lemme think about that one...it was something like hdparm...mom
[11:29] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[11:29] <eks> and rename it .tar.gz
[11:29] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it? :x
[11:29] <eks> ComPro: and when you type lsmod before msprobing it ?
[11:29] <mats> SeamusLP: :)
[11:29] <mjr> apollo2011, try #ndiswrapper
[11:29] <LinuxNIT-> how can i create a iso out of a floppy disk?
[11:30] <[Chameleon] > LinuxNIT-: dd
[11:30] <Chetic> Is there a way to limit the max download speed of apt-get?
[11:30] <bwb> mjr: but all of lvm would be ontop of raid, no?
[11:30] <holo> anyone here uses subtitles in totem?
[11:30] <SeamusLP> mats:  it's sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[11:30] <mats> mrkrabs: hdparm it is.. and im not using dma
[11:30] <mjr> bwb, well, that'd be the useful way to do it
[11:30] <ComPro> the module i want isn't loaded. is there a specific module you are looking for?
[11:30] <mrkrabs> mats, try to enable it
[11:30] <Lafitte-> does centrino 1.7 use linux-686 or linux-686-smp?
[11:31] <SeamusLP> Lafitte-:  smp is only if you have dual-processors or hyperthreading.  So linux-686.
[11:31] <eks> apollo2011: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:31] <Lafitte-> SeamusLP,  thanks :)
[11:31] <mats> mrkrabs: ill try reading man hdparm ;)
[11:31] <eks> ComPro: none
[11:31] <punkass> apollo2011: there is this to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926
[11:32] <holo> can i use debian repositorys like marillat in ubuntu without compromise?
[11:32] <punkass> apollo2011: nevermind my link, eks is much simpler
[11:32] <mats> mrkrabs: done ;)
[11:33] <eks> ComPro: I don't know, sorry :(
[11:33] <mrkrabs> mats, and now??
[11:33] <FR500> apollo2011, looks at ndiswrapper wiki, it's real easy if you follow the steps
[11:33] <ComPro> alright. thanks anyways.
[11:33] <kbrooks> ok
[11:34] <kbrooks> i RTFM
[11:34] <mats> mrkrabs: the same f** problem ;(
[11:34] <kbrooks> turned out that udev wasnt even running
[11:34] <kbrooks> so i rebooted
[11:34] <eks> ComPro: de nada :]
[11:35] <BoD_SWAT> evening all
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> heh i dont have ndiswrapper-utils in my apt-get
[11:35] <BoD_SWAT> anyone know a good scp (gui) app for gnome?
[11:35] <andrew> Hey, can anyone help me with installing the nVidia system drivers on ubuntu?
[11:35] <eks> lsuactiafner: have you main restricted universe multiverse ?
[11:35] <mats> mrkrabs: i think maby kde is opening my dvd-rom with an program who is failing.. and its trying and trying.. so maby if i manage too get kde to not opening this program
[11:35] <mrkrabs> mats, hm, is it only when you insert a dvd? or doed your pc the same with every cd?
[11:35] <DaBubble> how do I get scp working in nautilus?
[11:36] <mats> mrkrabs: only with dvds.. when im trying to play a cd the sound wont work ;(
[11:36] <andrew> Looked around on the forums... Is the kernel package what the installer is looking for?
[11:37] <DaBubble> it keeps telling me to "please use a different viewer"
[11:37] <mrkrabs> mats, ok, but it is kubuntu, you are using?
[11:37] <andrew> When it asks for a source? Or is there another package in the universe repository?
[11:37] <mats> mrkrabs: yes, it is
[11:37] <BoD_SWAT> DaBubble, seem we have kind of the same problem
[11:37] <DaBubble> oh?
[11:37] <DaBubble> this is the only thing keeping me from using ubuntu for my web development
[11:37] <BoD_SWAT> both searching for GUI-scp
[11:37] <eks> DaBubble: scp ? ssh copy ?
[11:38] <DaBubble> basica
[11:38] <DaBubble> lly
[11:38] <punkass> hmm scp seems to work fine here
[11:38] <DaBubble> I never thought this would be easier in windows (winscp)
[11:38] <BoD_SWAT> punkass, how do you use it? Nautilus? Seperate app?
[11:38] <DaBubble> in nautilus, I go to networking, connect to server, type in my server name
[11:38] <punkass> just in terminal window
[11:38] <BoD_SWAT> punkass, we want a nice GUI :P
[11:38] <punkass> ah heh
[11:39] <punkass> never looked to see if there was one out there
[11:39] <sysrq> gftp has a SFTP option
[11:39] <kbrooks> i want wxpython
[11:39] <xoros> yo whats up?
[11:39] <kbrooks> however.
[11:39] <DaBubble> yeah, but nautilus is supposed to support it
[11:39] <DaBubble> everyone says it should work
[11:39] <kbrooks> import wx doesnt work
[11:39] <eks> personally I do as sysrq said :)
[11:39] <kbrooks> import wx doesnt work
[11:39] <punkass> you can mount a ssh connection via nautilius
[11:39] <sheep> hi
[11:39] <DaBubble> I was just thinking it would be something strange about this specific server, so I set up sshd on this system, and couldn't connect to it through nautilus either
[11:40] <xoros> I can't get x to start can't find font paths anyone have any suggestions?
[11:40] <linukso> Hello! Does anyone here know if Boo is available in backports?
[11:40] <sysrq> I don't use nautilius so I can't help
[11:40] <sysrq> xoros: are you using breezy?
[11:40] <Vjaz> Damn it. I reinstalled Ubuntu and it seems like I can't get my wireless card to work anymore.
[11:40] <xoros> sysrq: yes breezy
[11:40] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:40] <punkass> DaBubble: how are you tring to set it up?
[11:40] <sysrq> xoros: if you can't figure out how to fix that, you shouldn't be using breezy as the topic says
[11:40] <david__> hey
[11:40] <Vjaz> Or my ISP just won't let it have an IP.
[11:40] <david__> does anyone know the more advanced glxgears command?
[11:40] <sheep> do you guys think i should start using ubuntu
[11:40] <david__> the one with a fglrx or somethign in front of it
[11:41] <sheep> i neve used linux before
[11:41] <kbrooks> sheep, yes
[11:41] <sheep> is it the best to learn on
[11:41] <DaBubble> I really love ubuntu
[11:41] <xoros> sysrq: why not ?  I know how to change font paths
[11:41] <kbrooks> linukso, why?
[11:41] <punkass> DaBubble: Places > Connect to Server : Service Type: SSH > Server: yourip/domain  > Connect
[11:41] <DaBubble> it's great, sheep
[11:41] <eks> sheep : yes
[11:41] <kbrooks> sheep, yes
[11:41] <sheep> ok 2 mins till i finish the live cd version dl
[11:42] <BoD_SWAT> DaBubble, use GFTP with SSH2... it works fine
[11:42] <BoD_SWAT> :-)
[11:42] <confrey> I'm a problem about a smb printer; the Brother printer is connected to a winXP machine; I can print on it by WIndows to Windows; I can't print on it by Linux to Winodws; the reason, it seems, is : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED; what can I do?
[11:42] <DaBubble> yeah, I did that (punkass) and it give me... an error... one second, I'll get ut yo agaub
[11:42] <eks> but I'm not sure it will be the same answer in #mandriva
[11:42] <sysrq> xoros: because you are asking for support, only people who really know what there doing and are able to do debugging on thier own should really be using it at this point
[11:42] <david__> who here is familiar with glxgears?
[11:42] <sheep> so you guys use linux for work an home or just home
[11:42] <linukso> kbrooks: because lots of people who shouldn't be using breezy are using it, and get in trouble
[11:42] <eks> sheep : both
[11:42] <sysrq> david__: man glxgears has all the info you would need on it
[11:42] <DaBubble> there's a difference? (sheep)
[11:42] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it? :x
[11:42] <sheep> lol
[11:42] <punkass> confrey: just enter your ubuntu username and password
[11:42] <sheep> cause i am a network admin
[11:43] <david__> sysrq, i am looking for the other command that has them on a spinnign box
[11:43] <anto9us> sheep: both work and home, server and clients
[11:43] <sheep> so i want to change
[11:43] <xoros> breezy installs fine just need to get x running it shouldn't be that big of deal
[11:43] <confrey> punkass, where have I to enter them?
[11:43] <sysrq> david__: that's not glxgears and is something else then
[11:43] <david__> sysrq, nvm found it
[11:43] <sheep> is there a server ubuntu
[11:43] <eks> yes
[11:43] <punkass> in the GUI when you set up the printer there is a spot for username and password
[11:43] <sheep> on the main site
[11:43] <mcmahonm> xoros - let me know when you get breezy x running I have yet to succeed
[11:43] <maswan> sheep: yes. it is actually an install option to the standard ubuntu
[11:43] <linukso> sheep: yes, select server during install
[11:44] <drasko> how to check which window manager am I using?
[11:44] <sheep> o ok
[11:44] <sheep> cool
[11:44] <anto9us> sheep: various servers can be configured easily under ubuntu
[11:44] <sheep> can you guys tell me how i should go about learning linux
[11:44] <xoros> mcmahonm: will do :)
[11:44] <DaBubble> all you can really do is just force yourself to use it
[11:44] <eks> sheep : personally I choose as debian sarge for servers and ubuntu for workstations & clients
[11:44] <sheep> books ,traning places ?
[11:44] <DaBubble> after a little while, you learn so much... it's just greaat
[11:45] <DaBubble> and hang out in places like this
[11:45] <Ubuntian> looks like grabit works under wine...
[11:45] <drasko> sheep, start with ldp
[11:45] <DaBubble> remember that linux is about _community_ and don't be afraid to ask questions
[11:45] <sheep> ldp ?
[11:45] <sysrq> xoros: if you still want to use breezy read the forums, the fix for most issues are on there. However since you can't debug this on your own I really doubt that you should be using it in the first place.
[11:45] <xoros> mcmahonm: what type of problem are you having with it?
[11:45] <confrey> punkass, ok, I try now, thanks
[11:45] <xoros> font paths too?
[11:45] <punkass> DaBubble: another cool thing i just found is shfs, it allows you to mount a directory via ssh as if its a local drive
[11:46] <sheep> what is ldp drasko
[11:46] <mcmahonm> basically an error saying the my config does not work and I should reconfigure but a reconfigure using dpkg-reconfigure does not help
[11:46] <apollo2011> Why is Ubuntu's version of Ndiswrapper so freakin old?
[11:47] <drasko> sheep, linux documentation project
[11:47] <kbrooks> i have a question
[11:47] <sheep> o ok
[11:47] <xoros> sysrq: I really didn't think it was that big of a problem... looks like there is easy fixes,  just curious why x won't find any font paths I put in there
[11:47] <mrkrabs> mats, hm, every time i used kde, it was a suse system...so yast was the way...
[11:47] <anto9us> sheep: sudo apt-get install rutebook then point your browser to file:///usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html
[11:47] <sheep> not light wieght data proticol
[11:48] <ja> hi i've just installed ubuntu5.04 and i mounted windows partition,and the problem is that i don't have full acces to windows folder i can't see eg. system32 ,what should i do to see all folders ?
[11:48] <apollo2011> Why is Ubuntu's version of Ndiswrapper so freakin old?
[11:48] <mcmahonm> seems to be a common problem with the fonts thig there are a bunch of things in the ubuntu forums
[11:48] <sheep> o ok
[11:48] <linukso> apollo2011: check out backport
[11:48] <Lafitte-> does linux ever need defragmentation n the HD ?
[11:48] <mats> mrkrabs: now i finly got the dvd to play :D now its only lagging
[11:48] <confrey> punkass, nothing to do; the result is the same
[11:48] <linukso> Lafitte-: nope
[11:48] <Lafitte-> linukso,  sweet :)
[11:49] <DaBubble> punkass, it's not giving me the error anymore, but now it just sits there saying Opening "servername".
[11:49] <sysrq> Lafitte-: generally, no. fragmentation does occur but not enough to warrent defrag
[11:49] <sheep> o THANKS TO YOU ALL GOING TO PLAY A GAME ?
[11:49] <xoros> mcmahonm: yeah i know I read about all of it already... just curious if anyone else had any ideas...
[11:49] <dimeo> does ubuntu automatically defrag?
[11:49] <sysrq> dimeo: no
[11:49] <punkass> confrey: hmmm, well i was haveing that same problem with a network printer, and putting my username and password in fixed it
[11:49] <xoros> tried the symlink fix,  tried changing font paths all of that
[11:49] <DaBubble> did somebody say gftp would work?
[11:49] <apollo2011> linuxso: whats backport?
[11:49] <sysrq> xoros: in breezy the path to the fonts has changed, hence you need to update the config to reflect those changes
[11:50] <kbrooks> dimeo, and ubuntu's filesystems dont need a defrag
[11:50] <punkass> DaBubble: can you ssh there via command line?
[11:50] <sysrq> DaBubble: GFTP can use sftp
[11:50] <ja> anyone can help me,please
[11:50] <xoros> sysrq: I know that already
[11:50] <Pamelaa_xx> http://impact.ba/~utopia/PamelaAnderson.exe
[11:50] <mcmahonm> me too no luck
[11:50] <DaBubble> punkass: yes, I can ssh on the commandline fine, even in an xterm. That's what's so confusing
[11:50] <dimeo> no degrag? just a difference between linux and windowz?
[11:50] <mats> mrkrabs: it work! And its all perfect! Thanks for all the help, bos ;)
[11:50] <drasko> what is default window manger for ubuntu/gnome?
[11:50] <linukso> drasko: metacity
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> there is no defrag
[11:50] <JDahl> Pamelaa_xx, does it run under wine?
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> umm
[11:51] <punkass> DaBubble, yeah in sftp you can just select ssh2 when connecting
[11:51] <xoros> mcmahonm: what machine are you trying this on?
[11:51] <punkass> er sorry i ment in gftp*
[11:51] <eks> JDahl: +1 ;)
[11:51] <drasko> linukso, how to check which one am I using?
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> linux systems got a much better filesystem
[11:51] <DaBubble> punkass: and I can do scp/sftp using winscp on my windows machine
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> scp file user@ip:/user
[11:51] <confrey> punkass, I think winXP might have the same couple of values to authorize the access, but I can't find the fields to enter them on it
[11:51] <mcmahonm> my p3 500 I upgraded from hoary
[11:51] <dooglus> Pamelaa_xx: shouldn't you find a different network?  You're unlikely to infect many people here with your Windows malware
[11:51] <JDahl> eks, who ever heard of spammers advertising Windows virus on a Linux support channel??
[11:52] <punkass> DaBubble, well gftp works fine for ssh file transfers
[11:52] <juan> I found the following line in dmesg ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
[11:52] <juan> ; however, whenever i try to mount /dev/hda2 to /mnt/hda2, which exists, it says that the specified device could not be found, any ideas?
[11:52] <xoros> mcmahom: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:52] <linukso> drasko: if you are using gnome, and haven't changed, you are using metacity.
[11:52] <sysrq> juan: maybe there is no second partition
[11:52] <DaBubble> punkass: ok, I'll probably just do that then. I just hate giving up when Nautilus should just connect without even a second thought
[11:52] <eks> JDahl: obviously this bot is not Open Source
[11:52] <anto9us> Pamelaa_xx is obviously a bot
[11:52] <mcmahonm> yep tried that and chose the most basic defaults that I normally use still no luck
[11:52] <JDahl> oh.. silly me
[11:52] <linukso> drasko: if you want to check, type "ps aux|grep metacity" in your favourite term
[11:53] <punkass> yeah i have seen it hicup a few times tho, thats why i am using this shfs now
[11:53] <eks> jaun : you have 2 partition in you first disk ?
[11:53] <juan> sysrq, yes there is because i usually mount it, when i booted this errror for the first time
[11:53] <juan> eks, yes i do
[11:53] <apollo2011> linukso: whats backport?
[11:53] <xoros> mcmahonm: ahh same here
[11:54] <sysrq> juan: the error message would beg to differ, perhaps the drives swapped or some other odd occurance
[11:54] <eks> juan : and whn you try to mount it manualy ?
[11:54] <mcmahonm> xoros: not sure what is left to be done
[11:54] <juan> hmm, eks because automatically did not work.
[11:54] <linukso> apollo2011: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:54] <devDelay> hello
[11:55] <anto9us> hi
[11:55] <eks> juan: "when", not "why", sorry for the "e"
[11:55] <xoros> mcmahonm: it sucks, it should not be that hard to fix this lol
[11:55] <drasko> linukso, thanks a lot!
[11:55] <juan> sysrq, but what about that message i got from dmesg?
[11:55] <dimeo> did ubuntu just suddenly get really popular?  I don't recall reading anything about it a few months ago, and now it seems like it's a top distro.
[11:55] <devDelay> i have a g3 ibook clamshell and I am trying to install yellowdog or something comparable...
[11:55] <sysrq> juan: what about it?
[11:56] <juan> eks, after everything is loaded and i am logged in the X
[11:56] <mcmahonm> that is what I thought before the 5 hours I invested in the attempt to fix it
[11:56] <devDelay> for some reason I can only upgrade the ibook to 10.2.8 and it never recognizes 10.3 install disc
[11:56] <anto9us> dimeo: yes :)
[11:56] <sysrq> juan: when I said drives swapped I meant perhaps what you thought was hda is now hdb and vise versa
[11:56] <ja> anyone can tell why i don't have full access to windows folder on drive C ?
[11:56] <devDelay> it doesnt recognize my yellowdog install disc either
[11:56] <sysrq> ja: permission issues perhaps
[11:56] <dimeo> anto9us: any idea why it is now beating out other distros?
[11:57] <xoros> mcmahonm: i hear ya,  i spent 10 hours just getting my wireless card working properly
[11:57] <juan> sysrq, dmesg only talks about hda, hdc, and sda
[11:57] <devDelay> and so I reformated my hd to mac standard and installed 10.1 and now it recognizes the disc in os x
[11:57] <eks> dimeo: with Hoary everyone is happy
[11:57] <devDelay> but if I try to boot the cd it just ejects it
[11:57] <linukso> ja: check permissions
[11:57] <anto9us> dimeo: on distrowatch? they give an explanation as to why they think it is if you click the number 1 link in the readup on ubuntu
[11:57] <xoros> at least I am learning things in the process i guess :)
[11:57] <sysrq> juan: why don't you try the other hd devices then since what you are trying isn't working
[11:58] <juan> sysrq, what is this?
[11:58] <J35U5> hey all. is there a way to open a .rar? apparently the default package manage wont opn it.
[11:58] <juan> SCSI device sda: 160086528 512-byte hdwr sectors (81964 MB)
[11:58] <juan> SCSI device sda: 160086528 512-byte hdwr sectors (81964 MB)
[11:58] <juan>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
[11:58] <juan>     ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
[11:58] <juan> hdc: CRD-8480C, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[11:58] <sysrq> J35U5: unrar
[11:58] <juan> hdc: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache
[11:58] <devDelay> i tried putting in the yellowdog 4.0 install and press option apple o + f and I type boot cd:,/boot/vmlinux
[11:58] <apollo2011> linukso: whats the username and password>
[11:58] <devDelay> and it ejects the disc
[11:59] <juan> eks and sysrq ^
[11:59] <apollo2011> What package do I install for the kernel sources
[11:59] <sysrq> devDelay: why are you asking about yellowdog in #ubuntu ?
[11:59] <BoD_SWAT> how can I print the directory list (if possible inclusive all dirs below) to a single file?
[11:59] <xoros> mcmahonm: if I figure it out I will post in my thread in the breezy section
[11:59] <linukso> apollo2011: create an account
[11:59] <J35U5> thanks sysrq that was simple enough to find lol
[11:59] <mrkrabs> mats, no prob!
[11:59] <sysrq> BoD_SWAT: ls -R > list
[11:59] <drasko> linukso, how can I configure metacity, where are configuration files?
[11:59] <BoD_SWAT> sysrq, thnx :)
[11:59] <devDelay> cuz I wondered if anyone else ran into this problem with g3 ibook
[11:59] <mrkrabs> mats, i'm glad its working!
[11:59] <apollo2011> What package do I install for the kernel sources
[12:00] <devDelay> i dont think it has anyting to do with yellowdog