[12:01] <KaiL> smouche: is it enabled for /dev/hda?
[12:01] <TayloR> in enabling it by typing hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd ( my cdroms hdd ) , will this always be in dma from now on even if i reboot?
[12:01] <allee> KaiL: tell you're mam to connect to internet  and ask on irc channel (k)ubuntu.  What will she answer?
[12:01] <allee> smouche: add it to /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:02] <KaiL> allee: so it's over to you to discuss with the guys in #ubuntu-devel :)
[12:02] <smouche> whoa, good catch, allee -- I didn 't check that, thanks!
[12:02] <allee> smouche: tip:  dpkg -L  <pkg> is often your friend to discover goodies!
[12:03] <KaiL> but we also need a graphical installer for ndiswrapper-"modules" in knetworkconf..
[12:03] <smouche> thanks, allee -- TayloR - did you catch that about /etc/hdparm.conf?
[12:03] <KaiL> just selecting the windows-driver on the cd *might* be ok
[12:04] <KaiL> at least for now
[12:04] <allee> KaiL: passing the mam test is a known criteria on -devel.  They work hard to achieve it.  But we know it a long way to go
[12:04] <smouche> thanks allee, I'll check dpkg -L <pkg>  -- you've made me curious...
[12:05] <KaiL> for now we should set the absolute minimum level to "problem can be solved here and doesn't need a gcc"
[12:05] <TayloR> sorry i was afk for a minute there
[12:05] <TayloR> reading up now
[12:05] <KaiL> ...for *every* hardware problem, that is
[12:05] <TayloR> :)
[12:06] <TayloR> ok great, thanks smouche & allee
[12:06] <smouche> cheers, TayloR
[12:06] <cartel_> guys my kwallet is fucked
[12:06] <cartel_> nothing that tries to open it will even launch
[12:07] <KaiL> ..maybe this can get more people to ask about hardware, where they don't expect it to work
[12:07] <KaiL> like acpi, additional mouse buttons or hardware sensors
[12:07] <cartel_> tom       7693  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    09:45   0:00 [kwalletmanager]  <defunct>
[12:09] <TayloR> what would you suggest that i use for an msn chat client? currently im using kopete at the minute, any other ones out there that you might consider better than the one im currently using?
[12:09] <KaiL> what's so bad on msn?
[12:09] <cartel_> TayloR: amsn?
[12:09] <KaiL> eh, bad on kopete..
[12:09] <smouche> heh , thanks for "dpkg -L" , allee !  very cool!
[12:10] <TayloR> ahh yeah amsn, thats the one, thanks Cartel
[12:10] <allee> smouche: yeap!
[12:10] <KaiL> ..anybody with problems left?
[12:11] <KaiL> I've lost the overview a bit :)
[12:11] <GilaMnstr> yeah why won't kde start if I change my default shell to tcsh :-)
[12:11] <smouche> TayloR, a lot of people seem to like Gaim, but the newest version isn't in the repos
[12:12] <KaiL> because it thinks, you are silly and it doesn't work with silly people :p
[12:12] <allee> GilaMnstr: check ~/.xsession-error
[12:12] <KaiL> ...other idea: #kde-devel
[12:12] <KaiL> I guess, that's a upstream bug
[12:13] <allee> Kail: no it's not.  I know some people using kde + tcsh  (but I refuse to speak with them ;)
[12:13] <kkathman> smouche:  Good day sir :)
[12:13] <TayloR> Ahh yeah, gaims the all in one client isnt it?
[12:13] <KaiL> allee: lol
[12:13] <GilaMnstr> allee: problem with setenv in ..xsession
[12:13] <smouche> hey, kkathman --
[12:13] <smouche> !
[12:13] <allee> GilaMnstr: your ~/.xsession?
[12:14] <smouche> kkathman, does Gaim work with msn?
[12:16] <kkathman> smouche: yes
[12:16] <GilaMnstr> allee: I switched back to bash so I don't have the exact message from ./xsession-errors but it had something to do with setenv
[12:16] <kkathman> but I switched to Kopete myself
[12:17] <smouche> hmm, which is preferable, Gaim or Kopete, in your view?
[12:17] <allee> GilaMnstr: well programed scripts should not depend at all on login shell,  but going back to bash is something I accept
[12:17] <smouche> how's your samba dancing going, kkathman?
[12:17] <kkathman> smouche: Personal preference...they both work well, Kopete has a skinniable interface, and some other neat features that Gaim doesnt
[12:18] <TayloR> how about your opinion on amsn over kopete kkathman?
[12:21] <SuperCatFrog> taylor - some people just prefer amsn (my gf until she found out about kmail>kopete address book integration)
[12:21] <GilaMnstr> allee:  I'm just not sure what startup script is causing the problem.
[12:21] <allee> GilaMnstr: you found a bug: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent
[12:21] <SuperCatFrog> has anybody got vmware installed on kubuntu? im having problems with the headers (i'd rather not compile my own kernel because i was the kernel to be updatable by apt-get and i cant be bothered running make xconfig ; make bzImage, etc every so often)
[12:22] <allee> GilaMnstr: add -sh option and it should work
[12:22] <allee> GilaMnstr: or fail on the next bug :(
[12:22] <TayloR> ok thanks for the help :)
[12:22] <allee> someone care to file a bugreport?
[12:23] <kkathman> smouche: samba is great!
[12:23] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - nfs is better
[12:23] <kkathman> TayloR-Away:  not familiar with arnsn
[12:23] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - have a look at amsn.sf.net for more info
[12:23] <smouche> kkathman, I prefer the bossa nova, but anyway, hopefully you have plenty of both on that network jukebox of yours!
[12:24] <kkathman> lol
[12:24] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: thanks...I'll check it out....what are your thoughts on all three?
[12:25] <GilaMnstr> allee: yeah that is a wierd one... old habit from bsd days changing my shell to tcsh
[12:25] <smouche> what's the third, kkathman ?
[12:25] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: nfs isnt better....its harder to set up at least for me, and samba is becoming the standard according to alot of sources now
[12:26] <kkathman> smouche: amsn, gaim and kopete
[12:26] <smouche> oh, heh heh, thought you were talkin' samba, nfs, and ... bossa nova?
[12:26] <allee> GilaMnstr: well tcsh fine if you knows it already.   But recommending it to newbies is a bad thing.
[12:26] <smouche> ;-)
[12:26] <kkathman> rofl
[12:27] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - nfs is really easy to setup - ive never been able to get samba setup in linux (as a server)
[12:27] <kkathman> nah.. I mean some people swear by nfs, which is ok, but its hard to get set up
[12:27] <hinni> @kaiL What is the difference between nv and nvidia driver?
[12:27] <kkathman> lol SuperCatFrog I couldnt get nfs and had a breeze with samba
[12:27] <SuperCatFrog> i prefer kopete with its integration into the desktop environment, but i think it looks and feels so much nicer than the other two
[12:27] <KaiL> hinni: "nv" is 2D only (and normally much more stable)
[12:27] <GilaMnstr> allee: I'm an oldtimer in a sea of bash and zsh users
[12:28] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - i want to get away from samba as soon as possible (as soon as my gf's dad decides to go full time linux, i'l set him up with nfs shares, rather than smb shares)
[12:28] <KaiL> "nvidia" is the closed source driver from nvidia, which gies full 3D, but is sometimes unstable, as you might have already seen
[12:28] <hinni> @KaiL I changed it and it works It's just perfect for watching dvd's I don't need anything else... ;-)
[12:28] <allee> GilaMnstr: I used tcsh too but got frustrated with tcsh scripting, so I switch
[12:28] <KaiL> in short: if you don't need 3D, use "nv"
[12:28] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: I can see using nfs if you have only linux...but I have both ...and samba works on all of them
[12:28] <hinni> :o)
[12:28] <allee> GilaMnstr: btw. add --sh  to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent  and you can login with tcsh as login shell.  Work for me ;)
[12:29] <smouche> Um, SuperCatFrog, is nfs compatible with smb-client, or do I need to have an nfs client to work with the server, ...?
[12:29] <kkathman> by the way SuperCatFrog if you need some "wont fail" steps to get Samba set up, I got em :)
[12:30] <SuperCatFrog> smouche -  icant remember, just google for nfs, you'l find a piece of piss guide
[12:30] <smouche> I know nothing about this networking stuff, so forgive me if I'm not even sure of the questions to ask...
[12:30] <thoreauputic> smouche: you need nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server
[12:30] <smouche> thanks, thoreauputic , and SuperCatFrog !
[12:30] <KaiL> kkathman: not to mention, samba is "sometimes" a bit better, if the server isn't 1000% stable
[12:30] <hinni> I did this, already, anyway: Although we didn't find the right solution now, I learned a little bit more and want to thank you for your support. And now I'll wish you a good night. ;-)
[12:30] <SuperCatFrog> ive just remembered - i wont be going NFS, i'l be using fuse with sshfs is my informant from #gentoo-pub was telling the truth about the fuse patches being included in the 2.6.12 kernel
[12:30] <SuperCatFrog> *if my informant
[12:31] <thoreauputic> smouche: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
[12:31] <kkathman> KaiL: yes, exactly
[12:31] <GilaMnstr> allee: thanks for the info, I'll try it out next time I login I guess :-)
[12:31] <KaiL> hinni: I think it's just some hardware incompatibility
[12:31] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know i am correct in thinking fuse is to be in the upstream kernel in 2.6.12?
[12:31] <KaiL> there were more than enough bugs in that chipset
[12:31] <KaiL> and now a rather new card -> bang
[12:31] <smouche> thanks, thoreauputic !  hey, you're the one to ask, 'cause you use a mac -- do either of both Samba and NFS work with macs on the network, too?
[12:32] <SuperCatFrog> nfs should work with mac - its unix
[12:32] <smouche> still thinking of getting a mac mini eventually...
[12:32] <SuperCatFrog> ignore me, i dont actually have a mac myself
[12:32] <thoreauputic> smouche: nfs is possible but tricky - samba is probably a better choice with macs
[12:33] <hinni> I think so too, but for my work and for DVD-stuff it's still alright. Thank you once again for your hints and Good night! CU!
[12:33] <KaiL> gn8 hinni
[12:33] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: nfs works, but there are issues with uid incompatibilities and connecting to servers
[12:33] <smouche> cool!  thanks for the info, guys... once I dare to even boot my nasty, trashed windows box and get it working right again, I'll try this stuff out...
[12:34] <kkathman> smouche: at our level, samba I think is still our most friendly approach...I tried NFS at the request of someone...but later found out that there is lots to do on your win box
[12:34] <kkathman> so I just went back to samba and found it was alot easier
[12:35] <kkathman> thats just my own experience
[12:35] <kkathman> YMMV
[12:35] <thoreauputic> kkathman: nfs with windows is a nightmare, as far as I can see: theoretically possible but in no sense supported
[12:35] <thoreauputic> samba works with mixed networks
[12:36] <kkathman> thoreauputic: thats what I found out....nfs is great if all your hardware is recent and the OS is linux
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kkathman: yep
[12:37] <kkathman> thoreauputic: the nice thing is that samba takes relatively little to set up and EVERYTHING talks...and you can tweak security on read/write access...thats very hard to do in NFS especially across dissimilar platforms
[12:37] <thoreauputic> smouche: of course if you run only linux ppc on your macs, nfs is fine
[12:37] <SuperCatFrog> in response to my own question (incase anybody cares) fuse has been in -mm since 2.6.11, and is a candidate for vanilla for 2.6.12
[12:37] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: what's fuse?
[12:37] <smouche> great info, guys -- samba is definitely what I'll want then.
[12:37] <SuperCatFrog> usespace file systems, such as ftpfs and sshfs
[12:38] <SuperCatFrog> really really cool stuff
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I'll have to look into samba - I've avoided it so far ( it reminds me of the dreaded Windows- pure prejudice on my part)
[12:40] <kkathman> thoreauputic: afraid that as long as I have a mixed network here, I have to use Windows, plus there are some things that open source hasnt tackled yet :)
[12:40] <kkathman> I'd switch everything to Linux if I could, but cant
[12:41] <smouche> heh, kkathman, ironically enough, my main reason for holding on to windows is some open source stuff that hasn't been ported to linux yet!
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kkathman: sure - actually as I said, my avoidance of samba is absurd, since it's Andrew Tridgell's baby and he's a Linux Deity :)
[12:42] <kkathman> thoreauputic: its ok, its understandable..and smouche, yep same with me, Gimp isnt quite a replacement for Photoshop yet and there is no Flash creation tool for Linux..so thats 1/2 of my web business
[12:42] <thoreauputic> ... as well as being from the same country as me...
[12:42] <kkathman> but I do all my development now in Linux
[12:43] <kkathman> just the graphics stuff I do on Windows still
[12:43] <kkathman> and my music creation
[12:43] <kangpeh> there's no way, i take it, to theme a gtk app in KDE 3.4
[12:43] <kangpeh> ?
[12:44] <kangpeh> i was running ubuntu - and had my theme all setu in gnome - and i installed kde now
[12:44] <kangpeh> and any gtk app is fugly lol
[12:44] <smouche> for me, wonderful open source apps like Keynote (a kind of pim, free form rich text database thing) and foobar2000 - far and away the best music player, playlist organizer, audio converter etc etc around, are so far irreplaceable
[12:45] <smouche> some great programmers are working in windows environment, and simply haven't the time or the training to port the stuff
[12:48] <thoreauputic> if the source is available, can you think of reasons why linux/bsd people haven't ported these apps?
[12:48] <chavo_> kangpeh, apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, that will make your gtk apps look like QT apps.
[12:48] <smouche> They may not know about them, thoreauputic .
[12:49] <thoreauputic> smouche: hmm...possible. Are they GPL ?
[12:49] <smouche> A lot of projects go a long time without revisions , as it is...
[12:51] <smouche> foobar2000, I don't know, thoreauputic ; keynote is listed on sourceforge, but I don't know the license.  Another favorite of mine, wxwikiserver, has recently been ported to linux; haven't tried it yet
[12:52] <thoreauputic> smouche: foobar2000 is "unfree" and binary-only - I just googled the license
[12:52] <cartel_> smouche: or likely they use another toolkit (msvc) that has no equivalent
[12:52] <smouche> anyway, ported or not, a lot of "windows" but not "microsoft" apps are so good, people should be cloning the hell out of them, feature-wise
[12:52] <cartel_> smouche: anyway amarok > foobar2000
[12:52] <cartel_> ;)
[12:52] <thoreauputic> agreed
[12:53] <thoreauputic> I mean agreed with " a lot of "windows" but not "microsoft" apps are so good, people should be cloning the hell out of them, feature-wise"
[12:53] <smouche> ok, mixing my free beer and free speech there a little, but the basic point stands--
[12:53] <smouche> amarok?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:53] <kangpeh> crap
[12:53] <smouche> have you tried foobar2000, cartel_?
[12:53] <cartel_> smouche: have you not discovered amarok yet?
[12:53] <kangpeh> synaptec
[12:53] <kangpeh> frozein
[12:53] <thoreauputic> amarok = KDE music player
[12:54] <cartel_> basically amarok shits on everything
[12:54] <smouche> heh heh, you answer my question first, cartel_
[12:54] <KaiL> imho it rocks
[12:54] <cartel_> you can even use xmms visualisations with it
[12:54] <cartel_> :)
[12:55] <kangpeh> help
[12:55] <kangpeh> synaptec is frozen chavo_
[12:55] <kangpeh> what do i do (KDE)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> http://amarok.kde.org/
[12:55] <smouche> visualizations I don't need; foobar2000 is a different beast altogether.  And it somehow seems more "like linux" to me than amarok, totem, etc...
[12:55] <cartel_> smouche: i think rather than cloning apps, you should take them and say ok this app is cool and it has feature x, but how can i make something better?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: open konsole and run sudo killall synaptic
[12:56] <smouche> hard to explain unless you've used it.  Pity its closed source...
[12:56] <kangpeh> thoreauputic: huhu npotbad not bad
[12:56] <kangpeh> thank
[12:56] <cartel_> under windows it was winamp all the way for me
[12:56] <smouche> I hated winamp! cartel_!
[12:56] <chavo_> smouche, have you tried juk? It's a little less cluttered than amarok.
[12:57] <cartel_> smouche: a great example of that is k3b, it is really good, and imo better than nero
[12:57] <smouche> I'm trying em all; it's foobar2000's brilliant playlisting that I miss.
[12:57] <cartel_> whats so great about the playlisting?
[12:58] <kangpeh> how do i install winamp
[12:58] <cartel_> smouche: are you suggesting people should clone windows apps because you dont want to change your workflow to suit working on linux?
[12:58] <cartel_> kangpeh: apt-get install xmms
[12:58] <smouche> cartel_ this is pointless -- you'd have to try it.  If you're not running windows at all, no point.  If you do use windows, check it out.
[12:58] <kangpeh> what is xmms isnt that x multimedia thing
[12:58] <kangpeh> cartel_:  i want winamp :(
[12:58] <kangpeh> and microsoft office :(
[12:58] <cartel_> kangpeh: use wine or use windows then
[12:58] <cartel_> kangpeh: go away troll
[12:58] <kkathman> amarok is pretty close to winamp
[12:58] <kangpeh> what happens to all my windows software :(
[12:58] <kangpeh> cartel???
[12:58] <kangpeh> err that was rude :(
[12:59] <kangpeh> im not a troll... im actually 5'8!
[12:59] <cartel_> no its not, you are trolling
[12:59] <kangpeh> :(
[12:59] <kangpeh> please
[12:59] <smouche> cartel_, I think you're making unneccesary and argumentative assumptions about what I may be "suggesting", so drop it please
[12:59] <kangpeh> im new to ubuntu i installed it like few days ago
[12:59] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: xmms is a winamp clone
[12:59] <kangpeh> and now i just installed KDE
[12:59] <kangpeh> and im trying to make it work but - kde-look.org is down
[12:59] <kangpeh> so i can't get my macosx-like themes
[12:59] <kangpeh> but my gnome looks like mac os x
[12:59] <kangpeh> :(
[12:59] <kangpeh> but i want to use the wine like u say
[12:59] <kangpeh> but Substation Alpha doesn't wrok in wine
[12:59] <_ubuntu> baghira has its own website
[01:00] <kangpeh> also i want to know if i can play counterstrike in wine
[01:00] <cartel_> kangpeh: www.transgaming.com
[01:00] <kangpeh> $$$
[01:00] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: slow down, man
[01:00] <kkathman> kangpeh: you just installed, why not try to look around and see about things...there are LOTS of themes on line you can get too
[01:00] <cartel_> kangpeh: if you dont want to pay $5, then you need to do a lot of work
[01:00] <kangpeh> wait
[01:00] <kangpeh> brb cartel_...
[01:00] <kangpeh> im going to restart X-chat
[01:00] <kangpeh> because i instlaled ur gtk2-theme-for-qt program
[01:00] <kangpeh> brb
[01:01] <thoreauputic> he needs a tranquiliser shot...
[01:01] <kkathman> lol... the typical "I want my linux to be windows" mentality
[01:01] <cartel_> like that guy on slashdot
[01:01] <kkathman> if thats the case, why not stick with windows :)
[01:01] <SuperCatFrog> sounds more like "i want my linux to be windows and macosx"
[01:01] <thoreauputic> OMG where's my Start menu???!!!
[01:01] <cartel_> "until linux supports all my hardware and all my apps i wont consider it a real os"
[01:02] <cartel_> and someone posted a reply
[01:02] <smouche> jesus, chill out cartel_
[01:02] <kangpeh> omg
[01:02] <kangpeh> you dont even know how thankful i am
[01:02] <kkathman> cartel_: thats hilarious...until Windows supports all my linux software......lalalala
[01:02] <kangpeh> this gtk2-for-qt thing works
[01:02] <cartel_> "until windows supports my g5 and runs kde i wont consider it a real os"
[01:02] <kangpeh> how come its not installed by default
[01:02] <SuperCatFrog> because its unstable?
[01:02] <kangpeh> o.o;;; omfg its not stable
[01:02] <kangpeh> arrgh
[01:02] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:02] <chavo_> kangpeh, because most people use one desktop or the other.
[01:03] <kangpeh> VMWare runs well in windows
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo: ahh
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> dont quote me on that - im not sure its unstable
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo:  but i love both u see
[01:03] <chavo_> No it's very stable.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> cartel_: well, you can run KDE on a G5, so 1 out of 2 ;)
[01:03] <kkathman> lol
[01:03] <chavo_> It works perfectly for me.
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo:  but if i can make KDE look like mac os x
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo: then obviuosly i will stick to kde u know
[01:03] <smouche> firefox runs better on windows than on linux!  now doesn't that just suck!
[01:03] <kangpeh> but if not - i'll have to go back to gnome
[01:03] <cartel_> oh god
[01:03] <kangpeh> cuz my gnome looks cool now
[01:03] <cartel_> another i want to have a mac but i cant afford one
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> gnome looks cool?
[01:03] <smouche> kangpeh, take a pill, dude
[01:03] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:03] <kkathman> ROFL....why not use a Mac OS rofl
[01:03] <kangpeh> exactly - i can't afford mac
[01:03] <kangpeh> cartel:  do u know how poor i am?
[01:04] <cartel_> kangpeh: no but more importantly i dont care
[01:04] <kangpeh> cartel: do u know who i am
[01:04] <kangpeh> :|
[01:04] <cartel_> an annoyance
[01:04] <kangpeh> T_T
[01:04] <SuperCatFrog> lol
[01:04] <kkathman> oh no not that !!!!
[01:04] <kkathman> hahaha
[01:04] <kangpeh> cartel: i was going to donate
[01:04] <kangpeh> lots of money to ubuntu
[01:04] <kangpeh> but now im kind of disappointed
[01:04] <kangpeh> the support that im receiving from you...
[01:04] <kangpeh> its really mean.
[01:04] <chavo_> kangpeh, apt-get install kwin-baghira
[01:04] <kangpeh> :(
[01:05] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - just calm down, you'l be fine
[01:05] <kangpeh> i know but the thing is
[01:05] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: FYI the return key is not a substitute for syntax and punctuation
[01:05] <kkathman> thoreauputic: hehe
[01:05] <kangpeh> u see im getting lots of people to install this software (UBUNTU)
[01:05] <kangpeh> the only thing is - with KDE, how come i can't setup hot keys like in gnome - to control my volume with the keyboard for instance... i'd thought kde was more multimedia advanced then gnome o.o;;;;
[01:06] <kkathman> kangpeh: my 15 year old installed it and uses it without one single problem....hmmm
[01:06] <kangpeh> synaptic package manager in kde is buggy
[01:06] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - kmix > configure shortcuts
[01:06] <cartel_> kangpeh how can you donate lots of money when you are so poor
[01:06] <SuperCatFrog> i use my volume scroller to change the volume all the time
[01:06] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:06] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: well if you find reproducible bugs, file them and help everyone
[01:07] <kangpeh> because i own www.deditech.com, www.aniport.com, www.fansubbers.com, etc?
[01:07] <kangpeh> ;p
[01:07] <kangpeh> because im not really poor maybe?
[01:07] <smouche> I recommend ignoring kangpeh, folks, till he realizes that he might actually learn something by reading the channel,
[01:07] <smouche> if that's what he really wants
[01:07] <smouche> or she, whatever
[01:07] <chavo_> Yeah, he can learn how to be an ass.
[01:07] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: why is your personal wealth of interest to us?
[01:07] <kkathman> kangpeh:  you might want to try #kubuntu-devel then can take your suggestions and make things better :)
[01:08] <kangpeh> kmix configure shortcuts... doesn't have a volume control o.o;;;
[01:09] <smouche> heh, occurs to me, #kubuntu-devel is a channel I should lurk on -- with a sock in my mouth, heh heh...
[01:09] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - sorry, you have to rightclick on the mixer (master) and click configure shortcuts
[01:09] <kangpeh> question - is there a synaptic clone for KD.E?
[01:09] <smouche> kangpeh, there is no global sound control keybinding you can set
[01:09] <kkathman> well he seems to want to make development suggestions, rather than using whats there...he should tell those that can do something about it
[01:09] <smouche> as far as I know.
[01:10] <smouche> kkathman, he'll get kicked fast!
[01:10] <kkathman> kangpeh: why not use apt-get at the terminal?  its very reliable and never fails :)
[01:10] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - there is, you have to open kmix, right click the mixer and click configure shortcuts - i use my multimedia keyboards volume scroller thing all the time
[01:10] <kangpeh> kkathman:  im setting this computer up not for me
[01:10] <kangpeh> supercatfrog my man...
[01:10] <kangpeh> i went to configure shortcuts
[01:10] <kangpeh> and put custom
[01:10] <kangpeh> and then tried to use my multimedia keyboard control but it seems to be not reading it or something
[01:11] <kangpeh> do i have to actually get the 0x0000 <-- format address of the key
[01:11] <kangpeh> and type it in?  (cuz when i hit the key in gnome it gives that format)
[01:11] <SuperCatFrog> you need to setup your keyboard in kcontrol > regional > keyboard layout
[01:11] <kangpeh> some hexadecimal thingamijiggy u know
[01:11] <kangpeh> supercatfrog: i see, ur a genius
[01:11] <SuperCatFrog> i am, yes
[01:11] <smouche> Thanks, SuperCatFrog, I'll try that!
[01:12] <kangpeh> i figured out what the error was with synaptic
[01:12] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: see I told you you were a genius and you didnt believe me
[01:12] <kangpeh> if u open synaptic then look at another window
[01:12] <kangpeh> there was a 'dialog' box that was supposed to pop up
[01:12] <kangpeh> and because it doesn't pop up u can't do shit and u can't get to it either
[01:12] <kangpeh> so u just have to disable that dialog box
[01:12] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - yep, you're right - i am
[01:12] <kangpeh> or u have to make sure u look at it until it comes up and hit 'ok'
[01:12] <smouche> kangpeh, what, the password confirmation box?
[01:12] <kkathman> I had enough...its ignor time
[01:12] <kangpeh> not password cofnirmation
[01:12] <kangpeh> smouche: some kind of 'tip' or something
[01:12] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: you cn't have two apt instances running at once - the lock file prevents it
[01:13] <kkathman> rofl :)
[01:13] <kangpeh> not apt
[01:13] <kangpeh> im talking about something else
[01:13] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - syntaptic is a frontend to apt
[01:13] <kangpeh> yeah
[01:13] <kangpeh> i mean im not saying it was because i had two apt instances
[01:13] <smouche> you're talking about EVERything else... all at the same time!
[01:13] <chavo_> kangpeh, lineakd and lineak-kdeplugins will allow you to use multimedia keys.
[01:13] <kangpeh> im saying synaptic has some kind of dialog box with a "tip" when it comes up
[01:13] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: just slow down and read for a while...
[01:13] <kangpeh> like a "Did you know... ?" type of thing u know but not literally those words :P
[01:14] <chavo_> kangpeh, Is it the password prompt?
[01:14] <kangpeh> and most of you guys probalby disabled it
[01:14] <SuperCatFrog> chavo_ - you dont need that, just setup the keytboard in the regional settings in kcontrol
[01:14] <kangpeh> chavo: let me check hold on let me open it agian
[01:14] <smouche> heh, this guy is like something out of a Philip K Dick novel...
[01:14] <idntical> evening all :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: with the best will in the world , we can't help you unless you slow down and ask one thing at a time
[01:14] <kangpeh> ok, got it.
[01:14] <kangpeh> Quick Introduction <--
[01:14] <kangpeh> That thing comes up when you open synaptic...
[01:14] <kangpeh> If you have it disabled on startup - then you are fine.
[01:15] <kangpeh> However, if you don't - and then u open synaptic in kde - but then u click focus to another window prior to letting it open all the way and then try to go back...
[01:15] <kangpeh> the dialog box won't show and you are screwwed :|
[01:15] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: umm... you are perhaps a bit impatient?
[01:15] <SuperCatFrog> well disable the evil taskbar grouping, and you'l be fine
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - rightclick the :: next to the taskbar and configure taskbar. then change "group similar tasks" to never
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> thats one way around it
[01:16] <kangpeh> Ahh, you guys are more geniuses again.
[01:16] <kangpeh> ;p
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> no no, just me
[01:17] <smouche> SuperCatFrog, do I need to restart sound or something to get those shortcuts to work?  Nothing's working for me...
[01:17] <stelt> where to file bug about kynaptic? it's not in the list at bugs.kde.org
[01:17] <SuperCatFrog> for the humor impaired, i suppose i should point out that i dont think im a genious and my previous comment was a joke
[01:17] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - worked for me
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - i didn't restart sound
[01:18] <smouche> hmmm...
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> are you using the correct mixer?
[01:18] <smouche> kmix?
[01:18] <kangpeh> what is the reasoning
[01:18] <kangpeh> behind why fedora core 3 is so freaking slow and ubuntu/kubuntu is so fast?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: It's OK - I *know* I'm the only genius here, so your comment *had* to be a joke ;-)
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - you might also be interested in xosd
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - hmmmm
[01:18] <thoreauputic> :D
[01:19] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - my modesty is just another aspect to my perfection
[01:19] <kangpeh> SuperCatFrog:  Let me test your skills.
[01:19] <smouche> I'm always interested in alternative sound stuff, SuperCatFrog ! great, thanks, I'll check it out.
[01:19] <SuperCatFrog> go on
[01:19] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: yeah, i know - it's hard to be humble when you're perfect :)
[01:19] <kangpeh> SuperCatFrog:  What is the debconf() command or whatnot - that will allow me to choose which login manager (KDM/GDM/XDM) to use/
[01:19] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - xosd is an on screen display, it shows up the volume when you change it with your keyboard shortcut
[01:19] <kangpeh> SuperCatFrog:  Also, where does one set their DEFAULT Manager (Gnome/KDE/Failsafe/whatnot)
[01:20] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - it is
[01:20] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - gimme a sec, i'd never used debian until monday (gentoo for ages before that, slackware before that)
[01:20] <kangpeh> supercatfrog: cool its all good
[01:20] <kangpeh> supercatfrog: the mere attempt to help me that you are showing makes me know that you are a superb person.
[01:21] <LeeJunFan> SuperCatFrog: I have no need for mandriva now :) I didn't realize kubuntu could resize fat/ntfs FS'es w/o data loss. Just did one of my other lappy's - resized ntfs and it's all good.
[01:21] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - /home/bob/.dmrc changes your default x session
[01:21] <SuperCatFrog> although you can do it from kdm (click session)
[01:22] <kangpeh> supercatfrog:  what about choosing from kdm/gdm/xdm/whatnot o.o;;
[01:22] <kangpeh> i was just looking and the reason that i think gnome (gtk) proggies are more abundant/popular is because its easier to code GTK than QT :(
[01:22] <kangpeh> and the QT licensing
[01:22] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - you'd have to remove kdm from startup (the only way i know of is to chmod a-x /etc/init.d/kdm) and install gdm (maybe hack the /etc/init.d/kdm script for gdm)
[01:23] <SuperCatFrog> you dont need gdm to use gnome
[01:23] <cartel_> kangpeh: gtk is not easier to code for than qt
[01:23] <kangpeh> o-o
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> cartel_: it's easier to find books/docs for.
[01:23] <SuperCatFrog> also, qt is supposed to be nicer to code for than gtk, just some people prefer the more liberal license (LGPL instead of GPL)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: the QT license used to be an issue
[01:23] <cartel_> qt trashes all other toolkits in terms of ease of code
[01:24] <cartel_> like the reference "pet shop" application
[01:24] <cartel_> vc.net uses 1/4 the code of java, and qt/cpp uses 1/4 of the code again :)
[01:24] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:24] <kangpeh> is there a laptop list perchance
[01:24] <allee> SuperCatFrog, kangpeh: AFAIR 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm'  asks is gdm or kdm should be used.  No hacks necessary. (ditto dpkg-reconfigre gdm)
[01:25] <kangpeh> that will show what laptops are compatible with unbutu/kubutn
[01:25] <kangpeh> ?
[01:25] <cartel_> kangpeh: i dont know sorry
[01:25] <kangpeh> cartel_: ahh
[01:25] <smouche> kangpeh, google, there is, there are
[01:25] <allee> kangpeh: search ubuntu wiki.   No problem to find it there
[01:25] <kangpeh> ahh
[01:25] <kangpeh> k BRB i must reb00t system...
[01:26] <kkathman> just to change the subject... does anyone know about or use kdewebdev??
[01:27] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - doesn't that contain quanta? if so, em
[01:27] <SuperCatFrog> *me
[01:27] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: well I already have quanta installed, but when I did an apt-cache to see if I had the latest, kdewebdev popped up and I dld it
[01:28] <SuperCatFrog> gimme a sec
[01:28] <SuperCatFrog> it says it includes: quanta, kfilereplace, kimagemapeditor, klinkstatus, kommander
[01:28] <SuperCatFrog> and kxsldbg
[01:29] <smouche> if anyone has any experience with  mono, let me know, would you? I have some questions, but they're not pressing...
[01:29] <foobar> has anybody been able to successfully install dvd::rip in ubuntu or kubuntu??
[01:30] <kkathman> oops Quanta just collided with the kicker  and its gone now  lol
[01:31] <kkathman> ouch.
[01:31] <foobar> hope you save :)
[01:31] <kkathman> nah I just typed "kicker" in the term and its back...not a prob
[01:31] <cartel_> foobar: use the marillat repositories?
[01:31] <foobar> cartel, i do..it fails
[01:33] <foobar> cartel_, you have it working?
[01:33] <cartel_> foobar: i havent tried sorry
[01:34] <smouche> kkathman, that reminds me, do you happen to know where, how, kicker config settings are saved exactly?
[01:34] <smouche> and can I back them up and restore them if my kicker gets trashed (happened before with upgrades...)
[01:34] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - probably ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker or ~/.kde/share/config/kicker
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> although you might as well just backup your ./.kde/
[01:35] <smouche> thanks, SuperCatFrog
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> s'ok
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> im off to bed
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> cya's
[01:35] <smouche> gight!
[01:36] <SuperCatFrog> (crappy british summer time making it be 00:35)
[01:36] <smouche> it's only 7:30 here, and I'm ready for a nap...
[01:37] <foobar> each dependancy fails on another dependancy...it like it just hates me :(
[01:39] <sorin> what file do you modify to make kynaptic show more packages?
[01:39] <smouche> ubuntu forums has a thread on your issue, foobar ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17758
[01:42] <kkathman> smouche: yeah the kicker settings are modified by the control center
[01:43] <smouche> kkathman, if I save that config, do you think I could just slap it into another user's setup?  I'd like to export my exact panel settings to kubuntu on another computer
[01:43] <smouche> or might there be ownership problems?
[01:44] <kkathman> smouche: also there are some settings you can do by right clicking the kicker
[01:44] <kkathman> smouche: hmm... good question...like anything in linux Im sure those parameters are in a text file somewhere
[01:44] <smouche> kkathman, er, I've got the kicker all set up, what I want to do is back it up and export the settings, but thanks!
[01:45] <kkathman> smouche: yep I understand...I guess fiddle with snooping around in the KDE directories
[01:45] <smouche> well, as SuperCatFrog said, it's prob in /kde/share/apps blah blah blah  -- Il save .kde, anyway...
[01:46] <kkathman> smouche: yeppers I knew theyd be somewhere over there
[01:46] <smouche> you see, I have very purty and practical panel! ;-)
[01:47] <smouche> er, panels!
[01:47] <kkathman> smouche: you could just back up all that directory and then plant it over on the other machine
[01:47] <smouche> yeah.
[01:49] <foobar> smouche, ty..i had not seen that one yet :)
[01:49] <kkathman> smouche...the files are in /etc/kde3 on my machine
[01:49] <smouche> kde3?  hmmm  -- checking...
[01:50] <kkathman> smouche: I'd say that if you back up /etc/kde3  then restore that over to your other machine you'd be ok, as long as you move any customizing you did...i.e. wallpapers
[01:51] <smouche> Thank you brother kkathman!  I didn't know about that directory!
[01:53] <smouche> hell of a lot of directories in linux distros, aren't there?
[01:54] <smouche> in windows, I assume directories are hidden for privacy and security, in linux I think have the time it's just to cut down on the visual confusion...!
[01:54] <smouche> er, "half the time".
[01:55] <smouche> heh, guess who's over romping in the #ubuntu channel?
[01:56] <kkathman> smouche...no problem sir
[01:56] <kangpeh> ...
[01:56] <kkathman> shhhh maybe he'll stay there
[01:56] <smouche> dude,
[01:56] <smouche> ?!
[01:56] <smouche> was that you, kkathman?
[01:56] <kkathman> thats why IRC channels have OPS most of the time, to kick the disrputers out
[01:56] <smouche> you look good in blue.
[01:57] <kkathman> me?
[01:57] <smouche> never mind, I thought you were messing with the colors or something...
[01:57] <kkathman> oh no not me
[01:57] <smouche> heh heh, x-chat is too freaking colorful
[01:58] <kkathman> lol
[01:59] <smouche> well now, I just realized that I've been emptying my ashtray into a new bag of groceries sitting on the floor, instead of into the garbage...
[01:59] <smouche> so I need to go and rinse the ashes off all the beefaroni cans...
[02:00] <kkathman> lol
[02:00] <smouche> so I'll catch you later, brother kkathman; hope I can look over your shoulder later for your next learning experience -- :-)
[02:00] <smouche> ciao
[02:00] <kkathman> ditto here sir...I'll be back later too, gotta choir rehearsal I have to go to :)
[02:03] <Octave_Octet> Hi
[02:05] <kangpeh> hi
[02:05] <stelt> kubuntu should make it easier to file bugs. like Help-->File Bug in KDE apps. the bug i wanted to report is that the confirm window of kynaptic is sized wrong, therefore the important buttons are not visible, so you don't know what's going on
[02:05] <Octave_Octet> What should I do if I want a package to be included in Kubuntu (it seems the developer already create Debian packages)
[02:07] <Octave_Octet> Stelt> You can file bugs from http://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org there is a Kubuntu entry
[02:13] <BlackLabel> is there any vpn software that will work with a .pcf config file
[02:15] <treke> pcf?
[02:15] <treke> Isn't that a window shortcut file?
[02:17] <boa> hello :)
[02:18] <Nomad^> i am having trouble with lockups, when i use konquerer to browse my filesystem the entire machine will simply lock-up
[02:19] <Nomad^> the logfiles has nothing at all, anyone else tried this?
[02:22] <boa> Nomad^: lockup = computer stall or locked files?
[02:35] <Nomad^> computer stall
[02:35] <Nomad^> i have to reboot it to get it to respond
[02:39] <CygnusX1> Has anyone discovered why Kubuntu failes to load IDE modules on some systems during installation yet?
[02:40] <kangpeh> nomad: what was you rproblem?
[02:41] <Nomad^> lockups when using konqueror to browse my filesystem
[02:41] <cooler> where do i found some amarok-engines ?
[02:43] <cooler> ops, find
[02:45] <CygnusX1> Alright.  Let's try this.  Is anyone using an ASUS A7N8x DEL that CAN install Kubuntu 5.04?
[02:46] <cooler> i'm using an asus a7n8x-x
[02:46] <cooler> and works fine
[02:47] <CygnusX1> cooler, does that have SATA?
[02:48] <CygnusX1> My ISO md5sum is good, md5sum of files on CD are good...during install, when it tries to find packages on the CD, it fails.  Complains that it cannot load various IDE modules.
[02:48] <CygnusX1> Tried booting from three different optical drives.
[02:52] <cooler> no SATA
[02:55] <delltony> question: the recent used files in like kplayer and things of that nature where is this informatino stored? cause i went to control panel and hit clean up and the recents still exist.
[02:55] <delltony> secondly is there a way to turn this feature off globally? even though i'm the only user of this pc i don't like track logs :)
[02:57] <smouche> I can't believe it, now kicker is seg-faulting...
[02:57] <Nomad^> mine wont go away, i'd be happy if it would crash now and then ;)
[02:58] <smouche> lol
[03:00] <delltony> anyone?
[03:01] <smouche> sorry, don't know, delltony.
[03:01] <delltony> thanks
[03:01] <delltony> closest i can find is ~/.recent-used
[03:04] <CygnusX1> Missing module 'ide-mod' ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy. Anyone?
[03:07] <smouche> is anybody else having problems with unstable keyboard shortcuts for the mixer app in the panel?   (the thing with the sliders, not the button in the tray)
[03:10] <CygnusX1> Can someone point me to the kubuntu technical channel?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> go to #kubuntu-devel
[03:12] <CygnusX1> Thank you.
[03:18] <cartel_> delltony: rc-update is a gentoo thing isnt it?
[03:18] <delltony> yeah
[03:18] <delltony> but whats the ubuntu equiv?
[03:19] <cartel_> delltony: you dont use it outside of gentoo..
[03:19] <cartel_> delltony: update-rc.d
[03:19] <delltony> ok thanks
[03:20] <delltony> little off topic but gmail hates me or something
[03:20] <cooler> what is it for? update-rc.d
[03:20] <delltony> two different computers with different ips i have curled the site on both an do data
[03:21] <delltony> cooler, for your startup aps
[03:21] <delltony> like apache
[03:21] <delltony> and mysql
[03:21] <delltony> and things like that
[03:21] <delltony> at leas rc-update is i can't voice for update-rc.d yet haven't used it
[03:21] <theine> is it possible to install Kubuntu with debootstrap?
[03:22] <cooler> thanks
[03:22] <delltony> np
[03:22] <delltony> basically cooler  things that are in /etc/init.d/
[03:23] <delltony> like for instance on my server i don't want xdm to start automatically so i removed it from the rc thing
[03:31] <muzza> I have Ubuntu Warty installed.  am awaiting Hoary CD.  What software is on Kubuntu CD that's different to Ubuntu CD?   Didn't say why
[03:47] <cartel_> who is zugot?
[03:47] <cartel_> Zugot: you suck!
[03:47] <cartel_> k3b is a work of art
[03:47] <muzza> No idea, he answered my question few lines up
[03:48] <cartel_> Zugot: my k3b works with mp3
[03:49] <cartel_> from ubuntu
[03:49] <muzza> Cartel, can you encode MP3 with it?  Do you know of an MP3 encoder?
[03:49] <cartel_> muzza: i use kde for ripping.. audiocd kioslave
[03:50] <muzza> ?? I'm new at this, don't understand
[03:50] <cartel_> muzza fire up konqueror, go to the services sidebar, there you will see the 'Audio CD Browser' that allows you to convert to ogg
[03:50] <cartel_> or mp3..
[03:50] <cartel_> or wav..
[03:51] <muzza> I'm using Ubuntu, trying to find out the differences between the 2.  So I'm still using Gnome and the basic stuff that came on Warty CD
[03:51] <muzza> Do you recommend Kubuntu?
[03:52] <cartel_> i use kubuntu, because i like kde
[03:52] <cartel_> try both and see which you like more
[03:52] <muzza> what's audiocd kioslave?
[03:52] <cartel_> kbuuntu is less crippled than ubuntu it seems, the restrictedformats thing gets way up my nose
[03:52] <cartel_> muzza the kde interface for audio cds..
[03:53] <cartel_> audiocd:/...
[03:53] <jsubl2> muzza: mp3 has been an issue on several distro's for along time.. why not convert to ogg.  they sound just as good
[03:53] <muzza> would it be possible to run them side by side - a tripleboot with Windoze, Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[03:53] <cartel_> it is possible..
[03:54] <muzza> jsubl2; is ogg as widely useable as MP3?
[03:54] <jsubl2> muzza: that statement is to broad for me to answer.
[03:54] <cartel_> jsubl2: the ipod does not support ogg
[03:54] <jsubl2> right
[03:54] <cartel_> the ipod is also a peice of crap
[03:55] <cartel_> www.neurosaudio.com
[03:55] <jsubl2> muzza: depends on where you are using mp3's
[03:55] <cartel_> ogg sounds better
[03:55] <muzza> Cartel; could Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same /home?
[03:55] <cartel_> muzza: certainly
[03:55] <darkaudit> muzza: why not simply choose the KDE session v. GNOME at login?
[03:56] <muzza> I don't use an iPod.  Just want to shrink music and share ideas with a muso friend.
[03:56] <cartel_> jsubl2: the restricted formats thing sux... it is only because people are fearful of patents.. why do we lock out mp3 as a restricted format but include samba in the mainline distro????
[03:56] <Brazmetal> hi
[03:56] <jsubl2> cartel_: excelent question.
[03:56] <cartel_> for that matter, the linux kernel is supposed to violate over 200 patents..
[03:57] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?
[03:57] <jsubl2> cartel_: if you use on of the  distros not aimed commercial.. they generally don't have the mp3 issue
[03:57] <muzza> darkaudit; didn't know that was possible
[03:57] <darkaudit> muzza: at the login screen, click on Session :)
[03:59] <muzza> Are all the apps useable on both desktops?  I've had trouble getting K3b to work in Gnome
[03:59] <CygnusX1> ssh 192.
[03:59] <darkaudit> muzza: should be... I just burned a couple DVDs w/ K3b while in GNOME
[04:00] <muzza> Thanks for your help everyone.  this was my first venture in here.  I've gotta go feed my sick 2yo son.  I'll be back.
[04:01] <muzza> How do I log out?
[04:01] <darkaudit> muzza: what client are you running?
[04:02] <muzza> One last question,  Why are some of the users in the left column in bold yellow? And I'm using X-Chat
[04:02] <darkaudit> muzza: you mean like this? It means someone is taling to you :)
[04:02] <Tm_T> hi
[04:03] <darkaudit> and you should just need to do File->quit
[04:03] <muzza> what's taling? and how does one do it?
[04:03] <darkaudit> er talking
[04:03] <membreya> O/ Tm_T
[04:03] <smouche> hello Tm_T
[04:03] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> is it just me or does it seem that there are a lot of library links missing for stuff? ie. libXmu.so.6.2 is there but there's no link for libXmu.so pointing to it, so apps dont find the library.
[04:03] <Tm_T> it's 5am :/
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> no, it's 10pm.
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:04] <darkaudit> muzza: most clients will let you start to type in a nick, and hit tab... it will auto complete... like irssi did at the start of this line
[04:04] <Tm_T> eh
[04:04] <smouche> yeah, it's 10pm.  Reset your clock, Tm_T.!
[04:04] <Tm_T> =)
[04:04] <CygnusX1> I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server...I have poked around a good bit and cannot find where to put this.
[04:05] <Tm_T> eh, hostname to dhcp?
[04:05] <muzza> How do you specifically talk to someone?  It's a good idea for finding my thread when it gets busy
[04:05] <Tm_T> I thought dns handle those
[04:05] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?
[04:06] <jsubl2> CygnusX1: man interfaces
[04:06] <CygnusX1> Tm_T, I am using IPCOP firewall...I need kubuntu to pass the hostname when requesting an address so that IPCOP has it's name-IP mapping.
[04:06] <Tm_T> ah, ok
[04:06] <Tm_T> well, I try to sleep some more, so, see ya ->
[04:07] <darkaudit> muzza: just type the person's nick at the start of the line... (I typed muz<tab> and irssi filled in the rest)
[04:07] <muzza> darkaudit, wicked
[04:08] <muzza> darkaudit, thanks mate, bye
[04:13] <smouche> Tm_T, have a good day...
[04:25] <Chin2> hello blenderhead
[04:43] <CygnusX1> Where does kubuntu store packages I retrieve with kynaptic?
[04:44] <CygnusX1> Also, is there a kubuntu manual somewhere in the distro?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i think there's a good intro in the kubuntu wiki
[04:48] <jsgotangco> but for an actual manual, i dont think its done yet since kubuntu is just a new release
[04:48] <Chin2> you mean where does the installed software go?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> the manual?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> im not sure there is a manual yet
[04:48] <jsgotangco> (for kubuntu)
[04:48] <CygnusX1> Chin2, no, I want to keep the packages so I don't have to redownload them.  If I like this, I will be adding kubuntu to a couple more machines.
[04:49] <CygnusX1> jsgotangco, does ubuntu have a manual? (Probably good for console stuff)
[04:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:50] <jsgotangco> download ubuntu-docs package
[04:50] <Chin2> CygnusX1, sorry, no idea, feel bad that you use kynaptic though :)
[04:50] <CygnusX1> jsgotangco, thank you
[04:50] <jsgotangco> CygnusX1, there is no kubuntu manual yet, checked the repos Sean is still working on it as I will be involved in the kubuntu manual as well
[04:51] <CygnusX1> Chin2, This is my first foray into debian like OS (other than some knoppix use)  I am a Slacky at heart :-)  and have used Redhat before.
[04:51] <jsgotangco> but if you an make up one, you're more than welcome to
[04:51] <Chin2> I use synaptic, I like it better than kynaptic
[04:51] <Chin2> I think you can get synaptic using kynaptic :)
[04:51] <jsgotangco> yes, kynaptic is very much a baby at the moment
[04:51] <CygnusX1> Chin2, I will grab synaptic now and check it out.  Kynaptic seemed to not provide much info :-)
[04:51] <jsgotangco> synaptic is much better atm
[04:54] <dhanish> hi all
[04:54] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?
[04:54] <Chin2> hi danish
[04:54] <dhanish> kubuntu just made ubuntu better :)
[04:54] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Can anyone help me?
[04:54] <Chin2> Brazmetal, there is a post in the forum about this
[04:55] <Chin2> go to ubuntuforums.org > kubuntu area
[04:55] <CygnusX1> Ahhh!! This is much better.
[04:55] <Chin2> Brazmetal -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26432
[04:55] <dhanish> i tried searching for this but...wanted to know hot completely rid of gnome...i installed kubuntu-desktop and all is well and want to get rid of gnome and related apps...any help?
[04:55] <CygnusX1> Chin2 and jsgotangco: Thank you both
[04:56] <Chin2> no prob, I'm pretty new to this too :)
[04:56] <Brazmetal> Chin2, eheheh this post is mine...
[04:56] <Chin2> doh
[04:57] <Chin2> Brazmetal, did others already ask you to try manual configuration using another LiveCD/
[04:57] <Chin2> ?
[04:58] <Chin2> oh, I see it's specific to Kubuntu.
[04:58] <Brazmetal> Chin2,  are you asking if i had used another distro?
[04:58] <Chin2> yeah...you have, right?
[04:58] <Brazmetal> of course
[04:58] <Chin2> okay, that's what I thought. Can't help you, sorry
[04:58] <Brazmetal> I was using Kubunti RC
[04:58] <Brazmetal> and it was working ok
[04:59] <Chin2> strange.
[04:59] <Brazmetal> I upgraded to kubuntu final (clean install) and I've got this problem
[04:59] <dhanish> anyone with any ideas as to what packages should i remove to get rid of gnome?
[05:03] <Chin2> dhanish, do you know how to uninstall? are you wanting package names?
[05:04] <dhanish> yea just package names
[05:05] <dhanish> i suppose i can just query *gnome* in kynaptic?
[05:05] <dhanish> but was wondering any other packages such as gdm and so on
[05:06] <Riddell> dhanish: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0
[05:06] <dhanish> isnt that required for firefox?
[05:06] <dhanish> i want to keep firefox
[05:06] <Riddell> yes, but not for Konqueror
[05:06] <Chin2> don't you need gtk for Gimp?
[05:07] <Riddell> yes
[05:07] <dhanish> i am trying right now to install ubuntu-desktop and then going to see if removing that will remove gnome stuff...and still maintain the libs
[05:07] <Riddell> dhanish: it won't
[05:07] <smouche> it seems to me several folders in kubuntu-desktop install had "gnome" in the name; don't know for what purpose...
[05:08] <Riddell> smouche: shouldn't do
[05:08] <dhanish> i'm satisfied with kde for most part so just trying to clean up and remove unwanted gnome stuff...for most part
[05:09] <dhanish> crap i installed ubuntu-desktop and removing it didnt help...hrm maybe i'm better off with clean install using kubuntu install cd?
[05:09] <smouche> damn, why won't kde remember my keybindings!!
[05:10] <smouche> ubuntu-desktop wouldn't remove anything, would it?  people use it to add kubuntu to hoary with gnome, don't they?
[05:11] <smouche> oops,
[05:11] <smouche> sorry , I'm an idiot
[05:12] <smouche> thought you said "kubuntu-desktop"  - wrong meta package! doh!
[05:12] <dhanish> smouche: no i just tried removing ubuntu-desktop and but it removed nothing
[05:12] <dhanish> err n/m
[05:12] <smouche> anyway, dhanish, removing the metapackage isn't supposed to remove files
[05:13] <dhanish> heh...yeh...learned something new today
[05:13] <smouche> it's only purpose is for what it depends on--
[05:13] <dhanish> so any ideas as to what i can do to remove gnome from my ubuntu
[05:13] <dhanish> or should i just clean install kubuntu?
[05:13] <dhanish> i hate mixing things up
[05:13] <Chin2> if you're not too far along, dhanish, I would clean install
[05:13] <smouche> wish I knew, 'cause sometimes I try out gnome apps, then remove them, but I guess other stuff remains behind...
[05:15] <phxguy> anyone know hopw long kdelook is gonna be down?
[05:15] <dhanish> yea....gnome was nice but then kde 3.4 just blew me away....was everything i needed minus firefox...wish someone made a kde/qt version of firefox
[05:15] <phxguy> i agree dhanish
[05:15] <phxguy> wish there was a qt version of firefox
[05:15] <smouche> i think naming the meta-packages like that is misleading... wouldn't "ubuntu-meta-install" or something be clearer?  I mean, of course people will think
[05:16] <smouche> that if you remove "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:16] <smouche> you're removing the ubuntu desktop!
[05:16] <dhanish> yes i agree smouche
[05:17] <dhanish> maybe they can make a way to remove packages using meta install package....even if thats possible...newbie talking here ;)
[05:18] <smouche> some kind of app to remove those dependencies, if nothing else needs them, would be great... maybe there is some way we newbies don't know about yet!
[05:19] <dhanish> yea....there must be way....sounds like something many people would want to do
[05:20] <smouche> dhanish, burn it slow...
[05:20] <dhanish> with a 52x...why would i do that...oh wait i mean on 24x cdrw...slow enough?
[05:21] <smouche> uh, I had problems with my hoary cd's unless I burned them at slowest possible speed, (using nero on windows...) your mileage of course may vary...
[05:22] <dhanish> never had probs like that
[05:23] <dhanish> is there a dock type of app for kde? sorta like yzdock/objectdock from windows...
[05:23] <Chin2> yeah, get superkaramba and go to kde-look
[05:24] <Chin2> there are docks for it
[05:24] <dhanish> kde-look is down right now..i did a search on google and most of it lead there but its down right now :-/
[05:26] <dhanish> before i burn...anyone know the md5sum for kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso/
[05:26] <dhanish> n/m
[05:26] <smouche> dhanish, what irc client are you using?
[05:27] <dhanish> konversation
[05:27] <smouche> can you do automatic logging of these channels?  very useful; folks are very informative on here!
[05:28] <dhanish> yea...i will after the clean install of kubuntu.
[05:28] <dhanish> sorry if i am getting annoying ;)
[05:28] <Chin2> no, it's nice that someone is actually using the channel
[05:28] <Chin2> :)
[05:29] <smouche> dhanish, you're not annoying!
[05:29] <Chin2> to log in Konversation I think you hit Ctrl+O
[05:29] <smouche> not yet anyway
[05:29] <smouche> ;-)
[05:29] <dhanish> hehe....i can already feel the love :P
[05:30] <smouche> ain't it great?
[05:30] <dhanish> yep yep :)
[05:32] <smouche> I mostly lie in wait to pounce on useful info that other people get by asking the questions I'm too ignorant even to phrase correctly...
[05:34] <smouche> best thing for me about kde so far, I can run a lot of stuff at once with 512 Mb ram...  windows would be locking up on all this...
[05:35] <dhanish> yea...i tried kde before and found it slow but that was like before kde 3.....kde 3.4 just kicks ass...it can only get better from what i see
[05:35] <Chin2> smouche, I feel the exact same way, esp. wrt 3D renders
[05:35] <dhanish> gnome is nice but i like functional desktop...
[05:36] <smouche> Chin2, it occurs to me I probably don' t have 3D -- i need to check my driver!
[05:36] <smouche> things are running so smoothly, I kinda don't want to mess with the nvidia driver yet...
[05:37] <Chin2> I installed it without a hitch - you should try it :)
[05:38] <smouche> you're talking about a proprietary driver, right?  is this it (reading from synaptic) --
[05:39] <smouche> NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[05:39] <smouche> shouldn't that be "xorg", not XFree?
[05:39] <smouche> or does it matter?
[05:40] <Chin2> um, sure, all I know is it's just as fast as windows :)
[05:40] <Chin2> render's done
[05:40] <Chin2> http://img51.echo.cx/my.php?image=kubuntu5yj.jpg
[05:40] <smouche> Chin2, I mean, nvidia-glx
[05:40] <Chin2> yeah, that sounds familiar
[05:41] <Chin2> there's this huge nvidia splash screen when I start up now :)
[05:41] <smouche> hey, cool graphic, Chin2
[05:41] <Chin2> it's kind of like, welcome to NVIDIA!
[05:41] <Chin2> thanks
[05:41] <smouche> hah hah!
[05:41] <smouche> yeah, I think I was reading comments somewhere on how you turn that off!
[05:42] <smouche> I usually hate splash screens -- xine-ui had an annoying one; for some reason I like stream-tuners!
[05:43] <Chin2> yeah, if they're cool then I'm fine with them.
[05:43] <smouche> Chin2, get "Lost" - ;-)  I missed a couple  episodes of 24, and I'm pissed...
[05:43] <CygnusX1> I am sorry...I forgot who told me this, but, I asked:  I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server...they said : man interfaces.
[05:43] <Chin2> did you do it?
[05:44] <Chin2> you know what "man interfaces" means?
[05:44] <CygnusX1> I have read it and peeked at /etc/network/interfaces and I cannot figure out what to do.
[05:44] <D_F> Does anyone here have Teamspeak working in 5.04?
[05:44] <smouche> the man pages are not that easy.
[05:44] <CygnusX1> Chin2, Roger.
[05:44] <smouche> for me anyway
[05:45] <D_F> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 5.04, and Teamspeak just will not start!
[05:45] <CygnusX1> Well, I gather I need to pass a -hostname NEPTUNE parameter in the DHCP client command...but, iface is not one of the named items in that man page.
[05:50] <Tm_T> hullo
[05:53] <dhanish> has anyone tried kanotix...compared to kubuntu?
[05:53] <Tm_T> kanotix?
[05:53] <dhanish> its another distro
[05:54] <Tm_T> ok, what kind of?
[05:54] <Chin2> it's a knoppix derivative, right?
[05:54] <dhanish> seems like its based off knoppix
[05:54] <dhanish> yeh
[05:55] <Tm_T> ok
[05:55] <Tm_T> heh
[05:57] <dhanish> shoot forgot to check verify data when burning in k3b...anyway to verify burned cd again
[06:04] <Chin2> how do I partition my ext3 into ext3 + fat32 from Kubuntu?
[06:04] <Chin2> I need sharing space for this dual boot box.
[06:05] <dhanish> not sure i usually use pqmagic from windows to do it
[06:05] <dhanish> but maybe you can try qtparted?
[06:06] <dhanish> i forget if it resizes ext3 parts
[06:06] <reagleBRKLN> is kmail not in the kmenu?
[06:06] <Chin2> do I need to do the equivalent of defragging or anything?
[06:06] <Chin2> reagle, you mean Kontact?
[06:07] <dhanish> shouldnt need to
[06:08] <markc> I notice the grub menu.lst has an initrd listing but there is no real_root + init options so it's not being used... anyone know why an initrd file is created at all ?
[06:08] <dhanish> Chin2: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/features.en.html no resizing with qtparted for ext3....you'll have to try another method
[06:09] <Chin2> dang, I have no idea what other methods exist :)
[06:09] <Chin2> I guess I could resize my NTFS partition?
[06:11] <markc> Chin2: Partition Magic might work
[06:11] <dhanish> or you can use some live cd and then i think there is like ext3resize command....or was is it ext2resize...i dont remember which one
[06:11] <dhanish> but easy way out is partition magic
[06:12] <Chin2> okay, thanks
[06:12] <dhanish> anyhow off to doing a clean install of kubuntu ...wish me luck
[06:12] <dhanish> thanks for the help guys
[06:16] <Tm_T> :)
[06:17] <kkathman> evening all or whatever it is where you are :)
[06:18] <Tm_T> =)
[06:18] <Tm_T> it's early morning here :)
[06:18] <kkathman> morning Tm_T  :)
[06:19] <kkathman> late night here :)
[06:19] <Tm_T> heh
[06:19] <eazel7> hi ppl
[06:20] <eazel7> I can't run as root anything from my recently installed kubuntu
[06:20] <Tm_T> eh?
[06:20] <eazel7> (note: used debootstrap)
[06:20] <eazel7> Tm_T: from kde
[06:20] <eazel7> from kde
[06:20] <eazel7> like administration mode of kdm kcm module
[06:21] <kkathman> root? there isnt a root in ubuntu :)
[06:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes there is
[06:21] <eazel7> or kuser
[06:21] <kkathman> well, not in the purest sense
[06:21] <kkathman> you can "assume" the root
[06:21] <eazel7> kkathman: sudo passwd and set it's password and log in as root
[06:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes there are, it is just not enabled
[06:21] <kkathman> correct
[06:21] <Tm_T> :)
[06:22] <eazel7> well
[06:22] <eazel7> the thing is... what I have to do is... (drums...)
[06:22] <eazel7> :-P
[06:22] <Tm_T> err
[06:22] <eazel7> (trrrrrrrr) grown answer
[06:22] <Tm_T> =)
[06:23] <eazel7> really, that thing is a little very messy to me
[06:23] <eazel7> do you have any idea about that?
[06:24] <Tm_T> nope
[06:24] <Tm_T> 'ntil I get some coffee :p
[06:24] <eazel7> isn't there any 'wheel' group?
[06:24] <kkathman> nope I'm still back on trying to figure out how to activate the root :)
[06:24] <kkathman> lol
[06:24] <Tm_T> haha
[06:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: "sudo passwd"
[06:25] <eazel7> haha
[06:25] <kkathman> yeah but what does that do really?
[06:25] <Tm_T> runs "passwd" as a root
[06:25] <Tm_T> so, you can "change" root password
[06:25] <kkathman> cuz you can do sudo su and that makes you superuser
[06:25] <Tm_T> eh
[06:26] <Tm_T> I use separate desktop to all my root konsole ;p
[06:26] <kkathman> Tm_T: and again, I ask....why?
[06:26] <Tm_T> because
[06:26] <kkathman> ohhh ok I see well in that case it makes sense I guess
[06:26] <eazel7> sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[06:26] <eazel7> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[06:26] <Tm_T> =)
[06:27] <eazel7> what do you think about those messages?
[06:27] <kkathman> just seems silly, cuz you need root only to do root things...and you can do those by just using sudo, so why bother?
[06:27] <Tm_T> eh
[06:27] <kkathman> unless you just feel deprived of not having a root account :)
[06:27] <Tm_T> because I do lot's of things as a root, and not in only this box
[06:28] <kkathman> what can you do as root, that you cant using sudo?
[06:28] <Tm_T> eh, you like type sudo all the time?
[06:28] <kkathman> or do you just not like typing "sudo" over and over :)
[06:28] <Tm_T> yes
[06:28] <eazel7> Tm_T: sudo bash
[06:28] <Tm_T> plah
[06:28] <kkathman> ahhh ok theres the rub then :)
[06:28] <kkathman> ok
[06:28] <kkathman> he he
[06:29] <kkathman> I thought I was like missing something there
[06:29] <eazel7> kkathman: you still typed sudo all the time
[06:29] <Tm_T> there's no reason not to have root account
[06:29] <eazel7> well, anyway, I like being root
[06:29] <eazel7> not assuming root
[06:29] <kkathman> I know that, ubuntu is like the only distro that disables it :)
[06:29] <kkathman> but hey, Im kewl with that :)
[06:29] <eazel7> debian-kfreebsd does it too, isn't it?
[06:30] <eazel7> or bsds doesn't have root?
[06:30] <kkathman> really?
[06:30] <kkathman> hmm
[06:30] <Tm_T> yes, 'cause newbies can't handle root privileges ;p
[06:30] <Tm_T> eh eh
[06:30] <kkathman> but I still use Terminal (gnome) on my kde desktop, so go figure
[06:30] <Tm_T> haha
[06:30] <Tm_T> heh
[06:31] <kkathman> by the way, you can get to root by clicking on "root terminal" in the KDE menus
[06:31] <Tm_T> my first install was a year ago
[06:31] <kkathman> but Im sure you know that
[06:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, but if somebody come use your computer? you might wan't a separate root password ;)
[06:32] <kkathman> true, but aint no one here that uses my computers anyway but me :)
[06:32] <Tm_T> =)
[06:35] <eazel7> well guys
[06:35] <eazel7> gotta sleep some day this week
[06:35] <eazel7> 2hs at day seems unhealtly to my doctor
[06:36] <eazel7> see you around!
[06:37] <kkathman> I must be doing something wrong, or the settings in KONSOLE dont work
[06:39] <Tm_T> eh?
[06:39] <kkathman> ahh never mind
[06:39] <kkathman> lol
[06:40] <Tm_T> lol?
[06:41] <guran> Hi - I am new to IRC, and have just installed Kubuntu, half an hour ago, and I am looking for LyX
[06:44] <kkathman> konsole is kinda freakin me out
[06:49] <kkathman> guran:  Looking for what?? LyX ?
[06:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: konsole <3
[06:52] <guran> Thanks, my first answer. Yes I have looked at google and found that LyX may be installed in Ubuntu, but seem to be missing in Kubuntu. I am just wondering wh?
[06:54] <guran> Sorry, I forgot a y, meaning why? There seam to be a lyx-qt, which ought to be easaly installed.
[06:54] <kkathman> Tm_T: whats that?  konsole < 3
[06:54] <kkathman> guran: what do you need it for?
[06:55] <guran> kkathman: to write scientific texts
[06:56] <kkathman> guran: if you need it, I think its a word processor...just go to a terminal, do a sudo apt-get update, then a sudo apt-get install lyx
[06:56] <kkathman> guran: or.... sudo apt-get install lyx-qt (for the qt frontend)
[06:57] <guran> kkathman: Thanks, I will try that.
[06:57] <kkathman> guran: no prob, good luck
[07:00] <guran> kkathman: The package was missing, and I have found a letter on google saying that it was a package that was asked by other users. So I will have to wait.
[07:01] <kkathman> ahh ok..sorry bout that
[07:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: <3 = heart ;p
[07:03] <guran> kkathman: Thanks, IRC is really nice, bye from me.
[07:03] <kkathman> cya
[07:04] <kkathman> wow KDE_LOOK.org is STILL down...what are they doing? Rewriting it?
[07:04] <Tm_T> =)
[07:25] <kkathman> hey smouche
[07:25] <kkathman> Tm_T: what does konsole<3 mean?
[07:26] <Tm_T> <3 means love/like
[07:26] <Tm_T> you got it?
[07:26] <kkathman> ohhh i get it
[07:26] <kkathman> ;p;
[07:26] <Tm_T> =)
[07:26] <kkathman> lol
[07:26] <kkathman> the themes are a bit weak
[07:26] <Tm_T> ?
[07:27] <kkathman> kewl trick in getting the root account back tho...neat
[07:27] <Tm_T> ok, gotta load some kernel modules then ->
[07:27] <kkathman> ewww
[07:30] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?
[07:33] <Tm_T> nope
[07:34] <Tm_T> nah, I did something wrong, the module didn't loaded :/
[07:35] <BlackLabel> yea
[07:35] <BlackLabel> i tried but all i got was a blank screen
[07:38] <Tm_T> I wan't sshfs w/ automount =)
[08:13] <delltony> i have a question how do you block a ip perminately ? i know you can do iptables -A INPUT -s <IP> -j DROP  but that is only temp. will creating a file /etc/host.deny and adding the ip to it work?
[08:15] <crimsun> delltony: /etc/hosts.deny only works with daemons compiled with tcp wrappers support
[08:16] <crimsun> delltony: it's safer to use iptables+netfilter
[08:16] <delltony> netfilter an ap? if not could you kindly give an example?
[08:16] <crimsun> an IP
[08:17] <crimsun> like you stated above
[08:17] <delltony> but its temp, have to do it each time?
[08:22] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?
[08:23] <verden01> hey BlackLabel
[08:23] <BlackLabel> hey verden01
[08:23] <verden01> does anyone know how to get ATI Radeon drivers to work?
[08:23] <verden01> hey
[08:24] <BlackLabel> i've tried, with no luck
[08:24] <verden01> ok
[08:24] <verden01> i'll just have to use the default config then
[08:25] <BlackLabel> what are u getting in glxgears, what card is it?
[08:25] <verden01> i have an ATI Raedon 9600 XT
[08:25] <BlackLabel> ok
[08:26] <verden01> 154FPS is that ok?
[08:27] <BlackLabel> you'll get alot better if you install the other drivers
[08:27] <verden01> its going up tp to about 1200 FPS
[08:27] <verden01> its going between 100 odd to 1200
[08:27] <verden01> 1100
[08:27] <BlackLabel> ive got an ati radeon igp (integrated graphics) and its upto 1000frames in 5s
[08:29] <verden01> its gone up to 6120 f in 5 sec
[08:29] <verden01> its flucuating a lot tho
[08:30] <BlackLabel> it will go real hide when the actual window with the gears isnt viewable
[08:30] <BlackLabel> cos then it doesnt actually need to print it to the screen
[08:31] <verden01> oh thats probably it then
[08:31] <verden01> anyway it would be nice to have the 3d working tho
[08:33] <BlackLabel> yea thats what  i thought
[08:33] <BlackLabel> but i couldnt get it working
[08:33] <verden01> if i had an nvidia card it would be easy
[08:33] <BlackLabel> yea
[08:34] <BlackLabel> verden01: did i ask if u knew anything about bootsplashes in debian?
[08:34] <verden01> no but is that the startup screen?
[08:34] <BlackLabel> ya
[08:34] <verden01> i only know how to change them
[08:35] <verden01> ones that are already installed
[08:35] <verden01> do you want new ones
[08:35] <verden01> have you tried kde-look
[08:35] <BlackLabel> not kdm themes
[08:35] <BlackLabel> if thats what u r thinking
[08:36] <verden01> i'm not really sure
[08:36] <BlackLabel> its not the one where u type ur username and password to
[08:36] <verden01> but kdm themes sounds right
[08:36] <BlackLabel> thats not what im lookingfor
[08:36] <verden01> i'm not sure its been a long time since i've done that stuff
[08:38] <verden01> have a look at this link  http://www.kde-look.org/
[08:38] <BlackLabel> its done
[08:38] <BlackLabel> down*
[08:39] <verden01> what about this  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21051
[08:41] <verden01> or this http://kdelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=35&PHPSESSID=a523e341b6e74ca4f59a46dcc4f34886
[08:42] <Tm_T> delltony: use firestarter
[08:42] <BlackLabel> verden01: nah those aren't it
[08:42] <BlackLabel> its got nothing to do with kde
[08:42] <verden01> ahh ok
[08:45] <delltony> ok thanks
[08:58] <PD> Hi there ppl!
[08:58] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:58] <PD> Installed kubuntu on my nx7078 laptop, and everythings working fine
[08:58] <PD> even the touchpad side scroll bar is working
[08:58] <ice_1963> we need flashplayer for konqueror pl =)
[08:59] <BlackLabel> verden01: i think i've found something to install what i was talking about
[08:59] <Tm_T> ice_1963: why?
[08:59] <ice_1963> why not
[08:59] <Tm_T> ...
[09:00] <Tm_T> there was a word "need"
[09:00] <ice_1963> flash is free
[09:00] <verden01> cool
[09:00] <Tm_T> mostly ads
[09:00] <Tm_T> I hate them
[09:00] <BlackLabel> verden01: ill tell ya if it works
[09:00] <Tm_T> and my flash is working fine ;p
[09:00] <verden01> flash doesn't work with my AMD 64 system  :-(
[09:00] <Tm_T> heh
[09:01] <BlackLabel> verden01: in konqueror or mozilla?
[09:02] <verden01> Mozilla-Firefox
[09:02] <verden01> u mean flash   both
[09:03] <BlackLabel> have u installed the flash plugin for firefox?
[09:03] <verden01> Tm_t: do you have an AMD 64 system?
[09:03] <verden01> it wont install Macromedia doesn't support AMD 64 yet
[09:03] <Tm_T> nope
[09:04] <verden01> thats why its working Tm_T
[09:04] <Tm_T> jei
[09:04] <Borg^Queen> Hey anyone up?
[09:04] <verden01> jei?
[09:05] <Tm_T> verden01: like yay
[09:05] <verden01> oh ok  lol
[09:05] <Borg^Queen> Hey, I was wondering if there was any doc on the whole sudo thing. I'm having a hard time with the lack of direct root access.
[09:05] <Borg^Queen> verden01: English isn't your first language?
[09:05] <ice_1963> lol
[09:06] <Tm_T> aergh!
[09:06] <verden01> yeah
[09:06] <Tm_T> stop using "lol"
[09:06] <verden01> it is
[09:06] <verden01> why
[09:06] <Tm_T> I hate it
[09:06] <verden01> whats wrong with lol?
[09:06] <Borg^Queen> Hmm
[09:06] <verden01> will this do  :-)
[09:06] <ice_1963> ok
[09:06] <Tm_T> :)
[09:06] <verden01> :)
[09:06] <freex> lol
[09:06] <ice_1963> =)
[09:06] <verden01> cool
[09:06] <Tm_T> !
[09:06] <Tm_T> =)
[09:07] <verden01> ####
[09:07] <freex> ^-^
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> You guys are nuts
[09:07] <verden01> can i hahahaha
[09:07] <Tm_T> actually english is my third language :p
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> :D
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> Tm_T: Mine as well.
[09:07] <ice_1963> :p
[09:07] <verden01> hey australian is my language
[09:07] <freex> whew
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> Perhaps my 4th
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> There's Cymry, Gaelic, Spanish and English.
[09:08] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: btw why not enable root user ?
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> I don't know what I'm saying half the time
[09:08] <freex> python is my language
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> OOoops sorry Tm_T
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> I can do that, enable root
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> Why didn't someone tell me.
[09:08] <verden01> no  lol's Borg^Queen
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> Is there a doc on how to do that?
[09:08] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: eh, cymraeg and gael are separate languages?
[09:08] <freex> sudo passwd
[09:09] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: just "sudo passwd" and then type new root password
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> Wait, can I or can't I enable root user?
[09:09] <verden01> but my ancestors are from Scandinavia
[09:09] <Tm_T> you can
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> Aye I know that.
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> Good.
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> cymry, is slightly older than gaelic
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> I don't know how much though.
[09:09] <Tm_T> ok
[09:10] <Tm_T> but same basis?
[09:10] <verden01> is Gaelic irish?
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> But it's my clan's native language
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> yes same basis.
[09:10] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> Aye, Irish
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> ice_1963: Aye, thank you
[09:10] <ice_1963> ok
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> But I'm an old nix user, I'm accustomed to having a root user.
[09:10] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: so Balor says something to you?
[09:11] <verden01> Borg^Queen, u play gaelic footy?
[09:11] <Borg^Queen> Plus, it eliminates certain security problems
[09:11] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: I use root account too =)
[09:11] <Borg^Queen> What is it with yuo guys lol
[09:11] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:11] <Borg^Queen> A thousand questions at the same time.
[09:12] <Borg^Queen> Its nothing bad Tm_T I just thought it was funny
[09:12] <verden01> well at least someone is talking to you
[09:12] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: I'm very interested about irish/welsh culture
[09:12] <Borg^Queen> Maybe I should just use LOL?
[09:12] <Tm_T> no
[09:12] <Tm_T> ok, use lol when you really are laughing out loud, ok?
[09:12] <Tm_T> I prefer "heh" etc
[09:12] <Borg^Queen> As for Balor, depending on how it's used.
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> you could be talking about Death
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> or of someone's passing
[09:13] <verden01> so what does everyone think og Kubuntu
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> heh? LOL
[09:13] <verden01> of
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> verden01: I dont' know yet
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> I like it but the whole lack of a root account bothered me.
[09:13] <verden01> i've used Libranet for a lonf time
[09:13] <verden01> long
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> Plus, things like kdf were missing
[09:14] <Borg^Queen> libranet
[09:14] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: hmm, yes, I mean those ancient tales
[09:14] <verden01> i think you can add a root account?
[09:14] <Borg^Queen> yes,
[09:14] <Borg^Queen> In the Celtic-Irish mythology, Balor is the god of death and the king of the Fomorians, a race of giants. He was the son of Buarainech and the husband of Cethlenn. Balor had only one eye, which he kept closed because anything he looked at would die instantly.
[09:14] <verden01> i found sudo strange at first but am used to it now
[09:14] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: yes, mythology, that was the word I was seeking for =)
[09:15] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: yes, now you're talking!
[09:15] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:15] <Borg^Queen> Aye, so to speak
[09:15] <Tm_T> I love celtic mythology
[09:15] <Borg^Queen> verden01: you became accustomed to sudo?
[09:15] <verden01> di youknow that Irish people have one of the highest rates of Ceoliac Disease in the world?
[09:15] <verden01> yeah
[09:16] <Tm_T> =)
[09:16] <Borg^Queen> There is celtic mythos, by celts and celtic mythos by modern christains. Dont' confuse the two.
[09:16] <verden01> well it just another command
[09:16] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:16] <Borg^Queen> oooops
[09:16] <verden01> LOL LOL LOL
[09:16] <Tm_T> haha
[09:17] <Borg^Queen> I am born and raise Pagan, half the stuff I see on TV. I never saw in my clan.
[09:17] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: you think tolkien borrowed much from celtic mythology to his books?
[09:17] <Borg^Queen> I laugh when people ask me about "spells" and other things.
[09:18] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: define Pagan
[09:18] <Borg^Queen> Tolken did borrow from several mythos to write his book
[09:18] <Tm_T> yes
[09:18] <Borg^Queen> Pagan, Pre - Welsh Pagan to be exact.
[09:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:18] <Tm_T> ok
[09:18] <ice_1963> can i install firefox in kubuntu ?????
[09:19] <Borg^Queen> It means we have no Jewish or Christian influences.
[09:19] <Borg^Queen> ice_1963: yes, in fact I think it already has it
[09:20] <Borg^Queen> Anyway, the reason I'm here is because I'm having a horrible time deciding on a replacement distro for RH9.0
[09:20] <verden01> yes firefox works great
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> ice_1963: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:20] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: RH sucks =)
[09:20] <Borg^Queen> verden01: Mozilla is better for highend machines.
[09:20] <Borg^Queen> LOL Tm_T
[09:20] <ice_1963> have tryed useing firefox yet
[09:20] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: err, why mozilla suite is better?
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Actually RH9 was the top most stable release since RH 7.3, second only to debian
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Tm_T: not better,
[09:21] <Tm_T> hm
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Hard to explain, more intergrated
[09:21] <Tm_T> I think it's bloat
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Yes on a slow machine.
[09:21] <Tm_T> even in fast machine
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> On a highend one it great.
[09:21] <Tm_T> nope
[09:21] <Tm_T> disagree =)
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> I have several highend machines here. It opens in 4 sec
[09:22] <Tm_T> but it still take too much resources
[09:22] <verden01> what better than firefox?
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> ok we disagree
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> Nothing
[09:22] <Tm_T> =)
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> Well Konq
[09:23] <gnumdk> i've fix my konqueror segfault(double entries), remove /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ from /etc/kderc and now my kde works perfectly, seems that default kubuntu configuration is buggy for some people
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> So my other problem is that I'm an idealist.
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> gnumdk: interesting
[09:23] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed splashy?
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> gnumdk:  thanks
[09:24] <gnumdk> BlackLabel: yes
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> whats splashy ?
[09:24] <gnumdk> da_bon_bon: bootsplash in user space
[09:24] <BlackLabel> gnumdk: do u know where splash themes go?
[09:24] <ice_1963> mozilla works
[09:24] <concept10> Borg: if you have been using Red Hat for awile, you might want to try Fedora
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> gnumdk: bootsplash as in the one that hides all the startup messages ?
[09:24] <gnumdk> BlackLabel: juste look at /etc/splashy, on image and some options to change ;)
[09:24] <Borg^Queen> concept10: I did.
[09:24] <BlackLabel> k
[09:25] <concept10> Borg: you didnt like it?
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> I don't know.
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> I have a problem with it being replaced every 6 to 8 months. And I have a problem with RH's company policies.
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> concept10: try this - enter 2 to 3 letters of a persons nick, and press TAB...
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> Like I said I'm an idealist.
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> I want to settle on one distro and stick to it
[09:26] <concept10> da_bon_bon: thanks alot, i appreciate that tip
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> concept10: now you have to give him chocolate
[09:26] <Choubaka> Hello to y'all on this channel too. :)
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> concept10: no problem. remember that it works in all irc clients
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> Hello
[09:27] <Borg^Queen> I like the philosophy behind this distro. To share, to educate.
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> hi `TUX``
[09:28] <concept10> Borg^Queen: me too, ive been using Fedora for around six months, no problem with it, but im starting to like ubuntu - the comunity is grate
[09:28] <concept10> *great
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> Aye,
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> I agree
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> Fedora was good but its lacking something.
[09:28] <Quinn_Storm> I personally don't like the idea of supporting redhat, which is why I'm not big on fedora..that and I've gotten used to the debian way of doing things, so kubuntu is easy for me to admin
[09:28] <PD> I started my Linux experince through Rdhat, but now switched to this one
[09:28] <Choubaka> I thought I could give KDE a go, but before I can do that I must be able to input japanese in my default (utf-8) locale. Anyone willing to help me with that? :)
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> And what do you think of it PD
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> Thank you Quinn_Storm
[09:29] <PD> Borg^Queen, I should say its excellent
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> :)
[09:29] <concept10> Quinn_Storm: why dont you like supporting RH
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: What exactly do you need?
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> wb Tm_T
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> LOLOLOLOL
[09:29] <`TUX``> hi Borg^Queen
[09:30] <Choubaka> Trying to make UIM work on KDE.
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> UIM?
[09:30] <Choubaka> Unified input method.
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> hello pointwood
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> Ah
[09:30] <Quinn_Storm> concept10: well they market themselves as the "leader in open source" or some other bs, and they don't really have the core values of Free Software in mind, they've really departed from that, and if they could they'd close up the source to RHEL and walk away from the open source game
[09:30] <Choubaka> or universal. something like that.
[09:30] <PD> Borg^Queen, I even convinced some of my M$ using frinds to use this, they liked it
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> Hm, I'm not even on Kubuntu yet. Maybe someone else can help
[09:31] <Choubaka> I've looked at the forums but the instructions don't seem to work for me.
[09:31] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: I agree completely
[09:31] <concept10> Quinn_Storm: nice point
[09:31] <Borg^Queen> Can anyone help Choubaka ?
[09:32] <Quinn_Storm> of course that's why I like debian & the focus on the philosophy, I just hope that debian and ubuntu can keep working together, I'd hate to see one damage the other
[09:32] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: I agree.
[09:32] <Borg^Queen> One more thing that concerns me is, the seeming lack of packages. Is that actually the case?
[09:32] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: no, just enable universe & multiverse
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> And is it hard to build a package from source code?
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> Ah ok
[09:33] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: Ubuntu has a couple thousand packages :)
[09:33] <concept10> The only reason I use Fedora is im trying to get a sysadmin job and alot of companies recognize RH, Fedora is no better than any other distro - they have some tools that other distros lack, but Ubuntu's philosophy is great, I wonder how long they will be around
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: repeat your question, with a little more detail.
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: thanks
[09:34] <Borg^Queen> That's another thing that concerns me. How long will kubuntu be around?
[09:34] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: I need to be able to input Japanese in KDE applications, preferably  using UIM.
[09:34] <verden01> i find there are more than enough available packages with universe and multiverse enabled
[09:34] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: as long as there's a community to maintain it.
[09:35] <Borg^Queen> Do you have the Japanese language installed?
[09:35] <jsgotangco> kubuntu will be around as long as there are people interested in improving it and helping out
[09:35] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: good point
[09:35] <Choubaka> I have all the fonts required.
[09:35] <verden01> i hope that is a long time
[09:35] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: I -think- you can do that just using xkb, but I'm not 100% certain
[09:35] <Choubaka> I can use japanese in Gnome applications.
[09:35] <Tm_T_> uaaah!
[09:36] <Choubaka> but as far as I know KDE doesn't support Input modules.
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> http://uim.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[09:36] <debauchery1st> what's the best DVD player for ubuntu
[09:36] <Tm_T_> debauchery1st: mplayer
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> kmplayer and kaffeine
[09:36] <Choubaka> or rather, Ubuntu's KDE doesn't.
[09:36] <Tm_T_> no, mplayer
[09:36] <Tm_T_> mplayer used from konsole
[09:37] <concept10> I believe ubuntu will be around for awhile as long as thier business model takes off - give away good distro, build a good community supported by a good philosophy around free software and make money off of support
[09:37] <debauchery1st> kaffeine seems to have problems with this DVD ... it doesn't have a menu and all I get is a white screen
[09:37] <Borg^Queen> That's their busines model?
[09:37] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: do you have all the libs installed for kaffiene?
[09:38] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: actually the founder of Ubuntu has said publicly that even if the support falls through he'll support ubuntu as a charity
[09:38] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: I'm not sure about that
[09:38] <concept10> Thats what I believe from everything I have read thus far
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> plus make sure the dvd isn't mounted
[09:38] <Tm_T_> debauchery1st: just run in konsole "mplayer /dev/<yourdvddevice>
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: yes I read that, Shuttleford?
[09:38] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: huh?
[09:38] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: Yay for weird OSS-friendly millionaires. \o/
[09:38] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yep!
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> Mark Shuttleworth
[09:39] <Quinn_Storm> Ahh, yeah, sounds right
[09:39] <concept10> im not talking about charging everydayusers, im talking about charging someone that wants to implement it in thier company and want some type of support
[09:39] <Tm_T_> hm
[09:39] <Borg^Queen> concept10: sounds good
[09:39] <Quinn_Storm> concept10: yeah, he wants to make a company providing support for those who want it
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> I suppose I just have to get used to it
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> hello Gavrila
[09:40] <Tm_T_> ok, gotta get some breakfast ->
[09:41] <Gavrila> Borg^Queen: hello :)
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> My biggest fears are a short life span for the distro, plus bad community. I also need it to work well.
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> Breakfast
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> Oooh my it's late
[09:41] <debauchery1st> mplayer via console crashes
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> you disc is mounted
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> Unmount it
[09:41] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: what?
[09:42] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: crashes??!
[09:42] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: Basically all those fears are voided with Ubuntu. :p
[09:42] <Borg^Queen> How do I disable that automount thing
[09:42] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: you think
[09:42] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: yeah it crashes
[09:42] <Tm_T> eh
[09:42] <Tm_T> strange
[09:42] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: was the site I gave you any help?
[09:42] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: is it because the disc is mounted like Borg^Queen said?
[09:42] <Choubaka> I'm still installing KDE. I'll check soon.
[09:42] <Tm_T> nno
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: ok, I hope it helps. I don't know anything about it. Sorry.
[09:43] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: if that causes the crashing, you really have hell of a mess
[09:43] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: I tes it
[09:43] <Tm_T> test
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> Oh and kuser crashes too.
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> Are they going to fix that?
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> I mean KDE has a update to it, but does kubuntu have it yet?
[09:44] <Choubaka> if you report it as a bug, they will.
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> Its a kde 3.4 bug
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> And kde has the fix,
[09:44] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: what causes the crash?
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> I don't know.
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> I didn't read up on it
[09:44] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: I mean how do you make it crash?
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> By inputing anything. Updating a user, etc
[09:45] <Quinn_Storm> yep
[09:45] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: nope... unmounting it didn't help
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> If you tried to change the user's password the moment you hit ok it crashs
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: it crashed?
[09:45] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: yep, latest updates here
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: is it a dvd or a vcd?
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm:  they update is there?
[09:45] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: it's a DVD
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> odd
[09:46] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: it works in set-top dvd players
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> Oh darn I wanted to ask him if he installed the update
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> hell amu
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> hello rather lOL
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> sorry
[09:47] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: and it works in winxp
[09:47] <amu-> moin'
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> OOOH don't say winxp, bad word
[09:47] <debauchery1st> yeah, well .. it came with the laptop
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: do you have a dell by any chance?
[09:47] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: HELL NO!
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> ok just checking
[09:48] <pointwood> I can't launch kate - if I try it in a terminal, I get this: kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[09:48] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: it's an HP zd8000
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> Well I need to go. Thanks for helping me with my ethical delema
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> HP good
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> pointwood: I think I got that on the test machine
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> wb BlackLabel
[09:49] <BlackLabel> ya
[09:49] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: yes, looks like ubuntu repos have buggy mplayer, then compile it from newest sources then
[09:49] <pointwood> this is a more or less fresh install
[09:50] <BlackLabel> did anyone else an error when trying to install splashy
[09:50] <Choubaka> hmm.
[09:50] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: does breezybadger have an updated pkg by any chance?
[09:51] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: or at least a more stable one?
[09:51] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: that must've sounded ridiculous
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> When is this breezy badger coming out?
[09:53] <amu-> Oct.2005
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> Ah the month I was born.
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> Go me Go me
[09:55] <verden01> whoopdy do
[09:55] <verden01> :)
[09:55] <verden01> ouchhhh
[09:56] <verden01> hang on it was an Irish stick it didn't even hurt
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Have you seen an Irish Walking stick?
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> It's a Staff
[09:56] <verden01> hahahaha   well no
[09:56] <debauchery1st> hmm ... must be this particular dvd.... Alex Jones: Police State II DVD works fine
[09:57] <verden01> you just said a stick but an irish walking stick well thats just too much
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> Aye, then laddie. Have you ever heard the phrase "Beaten to a lather"?
[09:57] <verden01> yeah
[09:57] <verden01> :(
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: clean the disc. remember to whip from the centre out. Do NOT go in circles.
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> verden01: don't frown
[09:58] <verden01> :)
[09:58] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: the disc is clean ... it's a DVD screener of Alexander
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> screener?
[09:58] <debauchery1st> so it's probably a hacked burn or something
[09:59] <Nino> hello, is it possible to install ubuntu directly over network (like with the debian network install without copying data from the cd) with a normal ubuntu install CD?
[09:59] <debauchery1st> screener ... the copies they send out for "award consideration"
[09:59] <Borg^Queen> Nino: I would think so.
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> award consideration?
[10:00] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: like the oscars
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> oh
[10:01] <Choubaka> It's not working :/
[10:01] <Nino> Borg^Queen: and how to?
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> Are there really developers in here from time to time. I remember Riddell said he was.
[10:02] <Choubaka> Maybe it will with KDE 4.0
[10:02] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: ok, use xine, it works
[10:02] <Choubaka> when kde'll support input modules.
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: I hope so. Contact ubuntu and kde and ask them to do that.
[10:02] <Choubaka> What KDE will there be in Breezy?
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> Nino: I don't know I've never done it. but I would guess, if you can access the cdrom via your network you can install like that.
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: what ever stable kde is out there.
[10:03] <Choubaka> Hm.
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> So if 4.0 i stable, I guess it will be there.
[10:03] <Choubaka> Perhaps not 4.0 then
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> Maybe not
[10:04] <Tm_T> just check 4.0 release timing
[10:04] <Tm_T> from KDE.org :p
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> Ooh another problem I have with Kubuntu is all my my machines have 2 or more hard drives.
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> How do I get it to partition and use these hard drive? Expert mode?
[10:05] <BlackLabel> there is a partition manager when u install
[10:06] <Gavrila> how unstable is breezy? I mean if I change my repositories to breezy how often will my system break?
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> BlackLabel: Aye, like in Debian installer
[10:07] <BlackLabel> dunno havent installed it
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> I have on a test machine.
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> But I didn't remember
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> Too tired.
[10:07] <crimsun> Gavrila: expect serious instability for these first few weeks
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> hello _trevor
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> and good night to all
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> Thanks for your input.
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> I have a lot to think about
[10:09] <Gavrila> crimsun: when do you think it will be usable?
[10:10] <crimsun> Gavrila: depends what you require as "usable"
[10:10] <Gavrila> crimsun: like debian unstable is
[10:10] <crimsun> it should be that stable always, at least
[10:11] <crimsun> if you only update once per day, you'll probably be fine
[10:11] <crimsun> if you update every 30 minutes, you're bound to catch something in flux
[10:11] <Gavrila> crimsun: debian unstable never broke my system... sometimes screwed up some update, but never had to reinstall
[10:12] <Gavrila> crimsun: I usually update my system once a day
[10:12] <Gavrila> or once every 2 days
[10:12] <crimsun> then it should be safe for you to begin using Breezy in 3-4 weeks
[10:12] <Gavrila> because I found kubuntu really a great distro
[10:12] <Gavrila> but the thing I dislike is that once I install it
[10:13] <Gavrila> it will never upgrade
[10:13] <crimsun> that's a _good_ thing.
[10:13] <Gavrila> for some things yes
[10:13] <Gavrila> not for others
[10:13] <crimsun> stability is always a good thing
[10:14] <Gavrila> for example, kde 3.4.1 will be surely better than and more stable than 2.4.0
[10:14] <Gavrila> 3.4.0
[10:14] <Gavrila> but I won't get it keeping hoary repositories
[10:14] <crimsun> that's the hope, but it doesn't always work out that way.
[10:14] <Gavrila> crimsun: I use kde since a long time... it IS so :)
[10:14] <Gavrila> and let me tell you I didn't find kde 3.4.0 SO stable
[10:14] <crimsun> just because it has been doesn't imply it will always be
[10:15] <crimsun> think about how often you upgrade your RAM
[10:15] <Gavrila> crimsun: ehehe are u a Karl Popper fan?
[10:15] <Gavrila> I can't see the point in my RAM
[10:17] <crimsun> it's the whole abstraction and layering bit
[10:18] <crimsun> obviously some things must remain stable
[10:18] <crimsun> updating to a new kernel everyday is bound to introduce regressions
[10:19] <_tek> hello everyone, damn this is a fairly full house even for this room
[10:20] <crimsun> heh, I remember when it was 4 people
[10:20] <Gavrila> crimsun: that's what I've been saying. I don't complain about kernel upgrades, but stable software released an improved as it could be a new kde
[10:21] <crimsun> Gavrila: well, that's why Kubuntu will release every six months
[10:22] <Gavrila> hheheh I'm an update freak O_o
[10:23] <crimsun> there are a bunch in every crowd
[10:25] <Gavrila> don't shoot me please :(
[10:25] <Gavrila> :P
[10:26] <Gavrila> !seen
[10:26] <Gavrila> is there any seen command or sort of?
[10:30] <incubii> no matter how many bloody times i install mplayer-powerpc it doesnt exit
[10:31] <Nino> Is there an official internet mirror with the ubuntu archiv (for install from) ???
[10:35] <incubii> to perform a net install ?
[10:35] <Nino> yes
[10:36] <Nino> incubii: i have a laptop, i can boot from cd but after i plugged in the wth card and removed the cdrom i can not plugin the cdrom again. it does not get detected anymore
[10:36] <incubii> i dont beleive you can install (k)ubuntu through net install
[10:36] <Nino> why not?
[10:37] <incubii> it doesnt have the option ?
[10:37] <Nino> it has, you type expert as the boot parameter
[10:39] <incubii> oh ok
[10:39] <incubii> i never saw it in expert mode
[10:39] <incubii> only ever bothered with cd install due to dialup
[10:40] <incubii> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release powerpc (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii> theres my apt list
[10:40] <incubii> is that what yo are after
[10:40] <incubii> ?
[10:46] <Gavrila> how can I set a folder in kmail to display html emails while default behavior is set to not allow it?
[11:05] <March-RX8> hello
[11:05] <Borg^Queen> wow, a lot happened while I was away
[11:06] <Borg^Queen> hello March-RX8 and good night to all
[11:06] <March-RX8> night???
[11:07] <March-RX8> does anyone know the command to write to add universe packages to my system
[11:11] <psn> March-RX8: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:12] <amu> sudo echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe" >>/etc/apt/sources.list
[11:19] <March-RX8> how can i change screen resolution
[11:20] <amu> use kcontrol, or there's a menu entry for it
[11:21] <March-RX8> but i cant change the colour displayed
[11:26] <amu> run a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:27] <Aircobra> good day
[11:30] <March-RX8> it says xserver-xorg not installed (but it is installed)
[11:31] <malte> hm, why is it not possible to clear the history in konqueror? nothing happens when i press the clear history-button
[11:35] <Aircobra> anyone has a chrashy Kaffeine?
[11:36] <buz> kaffeine is broken i think
[11:36] <Aircobra> I have kubuntu on two PCs installed
[11:36] <buz> it will keep up chewing loads of cpu
[11:36] <buz> and network streams dont work at all
[11:36] <Aircobra> yea
[11:36] <Aircobra> you have to kill it after closing
[11:36] <buz> yeah
[11:36] <Aircobra> otherwise it consumes CPU
[11:36] <buz> killall kaffeine if you want to get your cpu back ;-)
[11:36] <buz> and amarok doesn't seem to want to play any streams either
[11:36] <buz> but vlc works fine
[11:37] <Aircobra> well i havent tried streams
[11:37] <buz> could you try?
[11:37] <buz> if 3 people have that problem it's one for sure
[11:37] <Aircobra> sure
[11:37] <Aircobra> one moment
[11:37] <March-RX8> how can i restart the X11 from a tty
[11:37] <buz> March-RX8: startx
[11:38] <March-RX8> i cant that way, it say it's already running
[11:38] <buz> mhh
[11:39] <buz> killall xorg ?
[11:39] <Aircobra> buz i tried streaming www.s-s-s.ch - AmaroK loaded, but then froze
[11:39] <Aircobra> system have me a message it is not responding
[11:40] <buz> mhh same here
[11:40] <buz> kaffeine doesnt do anything much anymore either
[11:40] <buz> in the preview it worked
[11:40] <Aircobra> gee, funny, i've been using amarok and kaffeine on mandrake 10.1 with no trouble
[11:40] <buz> well as i say, in the preview the problem wasnt apparent
[11:40] <Aircobra> have you tried googling ?
[11:40] <buz> na
[11:40] <Aircobra> or searched in forums, wikis?
[11:41] <buz> i'm not bothered by it enough as long vlc works ;-)
[11:41] <Aircobra> vlc is nice, but not interface-wise
[11:41] <buz> vlc has always been my preferred mediaplayer anyway
[11:41] <Aircobra> its rather ugly :)
[11:41] <amadeus> yeah vlc is rocking!!
[11:41] <buz> mhh you need to use the skinned version
[11:41] <buz> then it looks like a osx metal app
[11:41] <Aircobra> yeah, maybe
[11:42] <buz> the ui is simple but efficient
[11:42] <Aircobra> will try that later
[11:42] <buz> itunes it isnt nor should it be
[11:42] <Aircobra> true
[11:42] <buz> now lets see about noatun
[11:42] <buz> that's completely broken it seems
[11:43] <buz> keeps flashing its icon and doing weird stuff
[11:43] <buz> conclusion: kde media layer is probably fucked
[11:46] <amadeus> #kde ?
[11:48] <Quinn_Storm> buz: actually, conclusion: use a better media player :-P
[11:49] <buz> like
[11:49] <buz> i'd say its a kubuntu problem
[11:49] <buz> it worked back in the preview release
[11:49] <March-RX8> why dont you install wmp over wine?
[11:49] <buz> so not #kde
[11:49] <buz> LOL
[11:49] <buz> i tried, didn't work
[11:49] <buz> i could run it in qemu though ;-)
[11:49] <buz> nah, wmp is the worst media player ever
[11:49] <March-RX8> try itunes over wine then
[11:49] <buz> i dont like itunes
[11:50] <buz> for streaming media, vlc is fine
[11:50] <March-RX8> xmms?
[11:50] <Quinn_Storm> for non-streaming media, use amaroK
[11:50] <buz> and for local mp3s, it seems as amarok would work
[11:50] <Quinn_Storm> even for streaming music
[11:50] <March-RX8> mplayer?
[11:50] <buz> Quinn_Storm: did you try streaming music in kubuntu final on amarok?
[11:50] <buz> doesn't work for me anymore
[11:50] <buz> and noatun doesn't even load properly
[11:50] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[11:51] <Quinn_Storm> buz: that's strange...but I use an amaroK compiled from cvs and use it w/ the xine engine
[11:51] <buz> mhh
[11:51] <Choubaka> I can't use beep-media-player anymore.
[11:51] <buz> there obviously IS something wrong
[11:51] <ice_1963> will mplayer play dvd's ????
[11:51] <Choubaka> it seemingly stopped working after I installed kde.
[11:51] <buz> mhh amarok doesn't even show any installed engines
[11:51] <buz> WTF
[11:51] <buz> maybe that's the problem
[11:53] <buz> and i think mplayer is somehow acting weird with streams too
[11:54] <amu> what's wrong with kaffeine watching dvd's ?
[11:54] <buz> i think kaffeine is totally broken
[11:55] <amu> you just install libdvdcss and you can watch them
[11:55] <buz> i know that
[11:55] <buz> but kaffeine itself crashes upon closing
[11:55] <`TUX``> amu:  hi
[11:55] <buz> and won't play any streams for me
[11:55] <`TUX``> kaffeine  crash  on  3  computer with  kubuntu
[11:56] <`TUX``> or  stay  PID  after closed  and  100% cpu
[11:56] <buz> yeah same here
[11:56] <March-RX8> when i used mdk it never crashed
[11:56] <amu> you use ubuntu3 packages ?
[11:56] <buz> and noatun wont load either
[11:56] <`TUX``> amu:  kaffeine  debian  manteiner  told  that  is  a  ubuntu  issue
[11:57] <`TUX``> i tryed  debian pkg but
[11:57] <`TUX``> problem  is  there
[11:57] <`TUX``> is  some lib  related i think
[11:57] <amu> `TUX``: slowly, which version you use, and what crashes ?
[11:58] <buz> the one in the final
[11:58] <buz> the preview release worked
[11:58] <`TUX``> 0.6.0unbuntu2
[11:59] <buz> 0.6-0ubuntu2
[11:59] <Gavrila> hey guys, do hoary updates include crashfix updates or only security^
[11:59] <buz> maybe xine is broken
[11:59] <`TUX``> if  i  launch kaffeine file  from  console  and  close  it  crash
[11:59] <amu> ic , that's correct there were some problems, nd it looks like ubuntu3 didnt appear in the final install/live set, so feel free upgrade to ubuntu3
[11:59] <`TUX``> if  i launch  clicking on a  file  and  close it close
[12:00] <buz> apt-get distupgrade wont upgrade it
[12:00] <`TUX``> but  PId  stay  there sucking CPU
[12:00] <amu> yep, those things are fixed in ubuntu3
[12:00] <`TUX``> it is  not  a  xine  problem  because  all  xine  prog  works  well
[12:00] <`TUX``> except kaffeine
[12:00] <buz> so where can we get it?
[12:01] <`TUX``> where is  ubuntu3 pkg?
[12:01] <`TUX``> there isn't in breezy
[12:01] <amu> hold on i'll check, i uploaded it a week ago
[12:01] <malte> it's not in the rep
[12:01] <buz> i have main, update, universe and multiverse
[12:01] <malte> same here
[12:01] <buz> no updates since the release
[12:02] <March-RX8> how can i get synaptic in kubuntu?? i did it on the other pc but i dont remember how (with GUI)
[12:02] <buz> apt-get install synaptic
[12:03] <March-RX8> it get all the dependence automatically?
[12:03] <amu> Accepted kaffeine 0.6-0ubuntu3 (source)
[12:03] <amu> From:
[12:03] <amu> Andreas Mueller<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:03] <amu>   To:
[12:03] <amu><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:03] <amu>   Date:
[12:03] <amu> 06.04.2005 18:40
[12:04] <amu> Accepted:
[12:04] <amu> kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[12:04] <amu>   to pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[12:04] <amu> kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.dsc
[12:04] <amu>   to pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.dsc
[12:14] <Nino>  hi, in the file sources.list what is the hoary-security thing ??? # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:16] <Aircobra> you ment /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:21] <amu> strange, not arrived till today...
[12:31] <Nino> ok, next thing. Control Center Network Settings in KDE refuses to accept an IP for the Default Gateway and it also refuses to accept an IP for the DNS for my just plugged in PCMCIA ethernet card. pinging another pc (by IP) works. Why is this? Where can i configure it by hand???
[12:34] <ubuntu> hello
[12:52] <karltk> I was wondering what tricks I have to do in order to get printing working properly. I've started /etc/init.d/cupsys, it listens to port localhost:631, but when trying to connect to this port (say, by printing from kdf, using konqueror or even telnet), it just hangs. Any ideas?
[01:07] <Aircobra> is there any way to make firefox look better in Kubuntu?
[01:07] <Aircobra> it looks normaly in Ubuntu, but on KDE its just not right
[01:08] <Aircobra> --
[01:09] <Aircobra> another thing: I have huge un-antialiased fonts on aMule
[01:09] <Aircobra> any ideas what's causing it?
[01:09] <Aircobra> and how to fix it
[01:11] <malte> amule is not gtk2 iirc, and firefox can be kde-ized by using the qt-gtk-theme-thingamob
[01:13] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:14] <tuxor> hiho
[01:14] <Aircobra> fifo :)
[01:14] <malte> hullo
[01:15] <Aircobra> malte please explain about this kde-izing process
[01:15] <Aircobra> do you mean i should change theme for KDE ?
[01:16] <malte> "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones"
[01:17] <malte> of course, i prefer konqueror myself :)
[01:21] <Aircobra> konqueror is nice
[01:22] <Aircobra> but its the extensions that make firefox no1 in my opinion
[01:22] <Aircobra> and thanks for help malte
[01:39] <malte> Aircobra, np
[01:40] <Aircobra> how poetic
[01:42] <CellarDoor> hey
[01:43] <CellarDoor> can anyone help a n00b get himself connected to better repositories ?
[01:43] <Nino> ok, well
[01:44] <CellarDoor> Im a command line n00b and instructions @ http://ubuntuguide.org/ don't seem to work
[01:44] <CellarDoor> someone with some patience :P
[01:45] <CellarDoor> wb KaiL
[01:46] <KaiL> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt looks nice on xchat :)
[01:46] <CellarDoor> Im in need of a little help here
[01:46] <verden01> Hi
[01:46] <CellarDoor> hi verden01
[01:47] <verden01> hey
[01:47] <Aircobra> CellarDoor hold on
[01:47] <verden01> what sort of help
[01:47] <Aircobra> what part on ubuntuguide.org is unclear ?
[01:47] <CellarDoor> could someone walk me through adding new repositories so I can easily get just about anythin I wan't through Kynaptic ?
[01:48] <verden01> yeah install synaptic
[01:48] <verden01> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:48] <CellarDoor> is synaptic better ?
[01:48] <Aircobra> ir sure is :)
[01:48] <KaiL> grr... brb (X-restart)
[01:48] <CellarDoor> okies
[01:49] <verden01> well you can add repositories with it
[01:49] <CellarDoor> aah this is good :)
[01:49] <verden01> install it and i'll walk youthrough it
[01:49] <verden01> i think there is a howto on this as well
[01:49] <verden01> anyone?
[01:50] <CellarDoor> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:50] <verden01> do you have gedit?
[01:50] <CellarDoor> > sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:50] <CellarDoor> oops
[01:50] <verden01> yeah
[01:50] <CellarDoor> no I don't have gedit
[01:50] <CellarDoor> sorry for repeat
[01:50] <verden01> you have nano so youcan use that if you like
[01:51] <CellarDoor> nano ?
[01:51] <CellarDoor> just a sec
[01:51] <KaiL> why on earth I can't get my overlay back
[01:51] <verden01> sudo nano -t /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <verden01> when yu have nano up scroll down and uncomment anything that has universe in it
[01:52] <CellarDoor> okies verden01 gimmie a sec
[01:53] <verden01> do you know how to uncomment?
[01:53] <CellarDoor> nopes :P
[01:53] <verden01> delete the # in any line that has universe
[01:54] <verden01> let me know when youhave done that
[01:55] <verden01> i'm in australia too so i could just send youmy apt/sources.list
[01:55] <verden01> and you could add it
[01:55] <CellarDoor> ok Ive removed the #'s I see for universe...
[01:55] <CellarDoor> ooh
[01:56] <CellarDoor> so what do I do to save that ?
[01:56] <verden01> ok now go Ctrl c and Ctrl v and then Ctrl x and youshould be done
[01:56] <CellarDoor> okay
[01:56] <verden01> when youhave done that   do a sudo apt-get update
[01:56] <CellarDoor> are there more souces I can add ?
[01:57] <CellarDoor> okay
[01:57] <verden01> yeah but the ubuntu guide will tell youthose i only have universe enabled as an extra
[01:57] <CellarDoor> ooh I type sudo apt-get update precious and aways it goes precious
[01:58] <verden01> when the update has finished close the console and start kynaptic and youwill have many more packages to choose from :)
[01:58] <CellarDoor> okies
[01:58] <CellarDoor> lemmy see
[01:59] <verden01> your on braodband so it shouldn't take long
[02:00] <verden01> hey not bad advice for free   :-)
[02:00] <CellarDoor> yeah :D
[02:00] <verden01> thats what makes linux so good
[02:00] <CellarDoor> thanks mate
[02:00] <verden01> the communities
[02:00] <verden01> your welcome
[02:00] <CellarDoor> yeah i been watching the ubuntu/kutuntu community action and thats what pushed me over the line to install it
[02:01] <verden01> now you can download as many packages as you want
[02:01] <verden01> have youused linux b4?
[02:01] <CellarDoor> kewlness
[02:01] <verden01> debian is great
[02:01] <CellarDoor> yeah but haven't learned much, tried FC1 briefly, then went to Mandrake for a few months, now Im using Kubuntu
[02:02] <verden01> well if you want to learn then debian is the way to go
[02:02] <verden01> and i think kubuntu is great
[02:03] <verden01> so CellarDoor did all that go right?
[02:03] <CellarDoor> Im not sure actaully
[02:04] <CellarDoor> yeah, I just installed Kdict
[02:04] <CellarDoor> that wasn't on there before
[02:05] <verden01> well if you have kubuntu open go tothe left had top and go to sections and it will show you wether the packages are from universe or not
[02:05] <verden01> it starts off with ameture radio
[02:06] <CellarDoor> kynaptic crashed
[02:06] <verden01> oh open it again from the menu
[02:07] <CellarDoor> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:07] <verden01> do you have a konsole open
[02:07] <CellarDoor> nope
[02:07] <CellarDoor> I do now
[02:07] <verden01> ok
[02:08] <verden01> type kynaptic and see if it opens
[02:08] <CellarDoor> oh kynaptic opened, it just had a couple of error dialoges come up first
[02:08] <verden01> or i should have said sudo kynaptic
[02:10] <verden01> how did it go?
[02:10] <CellarDoor> kynaptic opens but says: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:10] <CellarDoor> also says: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:11] <verden01> maybe ddo a reboot
[02:12] <CellarDoor> hmm okies
[02:12] <amu> you need to start kynaptix with: sudo kynaptic
[02:12] <CellarDoor> yea I did that
[02:12] <CellarDoor> gonna reboot brb
[02:12] <verden01> k
[02:13] <amu> than it probably runs on anonther session, or died last time using it, and there's still a lock file
[02:13] <verden01> thats happend to me b4
[02:13] <verden01> theres a few bugs in this kubuntu still
[02:13] <verden01> kate seems to crash on me
[02:14] <verden01> and i can't change the size of the panel to a custom size
[02:15] <KaiL> works here..
[02:15] <verden01> oh i downloaded the final release yesterday and to be honest the rc that was updated was better
[02:16] <verden01> wb
[02:16] <CellarDoor> back
[02:16] <CellarDoor> ty
[02:17] <verden01> is it working?
[02:17] <CellarDoor> ok so what do I do in kynaptic to see what repositories are available ?
[02:18] <CellarDoor> kynaptic seems ok
[02:18] <verden01> just have a look around at the packages
[02:18] <verden01> you can change how youlook at them
[02:18] <verden01> do you have insatlled and not installed
[02:18] <CellarDoor> aaah yes i c yeh starts with ameteur radio
[02:19] <verden01> ok so you definately have the extra repositories enabled :)
[02:19] <CellarDoor> yay :D
[02:19] <verden01> have fun
[02:19] <CellarDoor> thanks !
[02:19] <verden01> i out of here for tonight bed time    no worries anytime bye
[02:20] <CellarDoor> I haven't had help like this with any other distro
[02:20] <CellarDoor> okies night
[02:20] <verden01> well get used to it  :)
[02:20] <CellarDoor> :D
[02:24] <Speedy2> Well, not every hardware works :/
[02:24] <Speedy2> The Live CD (and I presume the installer) doesn't have drivers for my LSI Logic Fusion MPT U320 SCSI controller
[02:25] <CellarDoor> aww
[02:25] <CellarDoor> still no libdvdcss
[02:25] <CellarDoor> :(
[02:28] <CellarDoor> can anyone help me with libdvdcss ?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> CellarDoor: marillat repository
[02:28] <CellarDoor> okies
[02:28] <CellarDoor> how do I add that ?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> CellarDoor: it's listed on the wiki Restricted Formats page I think
[02:29] <thoreauputic> read the page, it tells you how
[02:29] <CellarDoor> okies
[02:29] <thoreauputic> or look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:29] <CellarDoor> okay thanks
[02:29] <CellarDoor> bbs
[02:31] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:32] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[02:41] <jude> is there any way to choose a style/theme for gnome apps in kubuntu?
[02:41] <jude> they kinda look terrible here :)
[02:42] <unimil> if you've got gtk2-enines-gtk-qt (iirc) package installed.. you can choose it from the control center.
[02:42] <unimil> gah.. gtk2-engines-gtk-qt or something.
[02:42] <jude> the kde control centre? Right, I'll install that package then, thanks
[02:47] <Speedy2> http://www.polinux.upv.es/mozilla/temas.php?idioma=en
[02:47] <Speedy2> gtk-QT themeing engine
[02:47] <Speedy2> err
[02:47] <Speedy2> That wasn't the right URl, sorry
[02:48] <Speedy2> Search for "gtk-qt-engine" on www.freshmeat.net
[02:48] <Speedy2> You should get it
[02:50] <Aircobra> you can apt-get it too
[02:56] <jude> thanks Speedy2
[03:00] <\sh> morning
[03:00] <eazel7> hi ppl
[03:00] <eazel7> yesterday I installed kubuntu (using bootstrap)
[03:01] <eazel7> I can't figure out why kdesu doesn't runs any program
[03:04] <Choubaka> gtk apps are ugly only under KDE. :/
[03:05] <eazel7> jude: when it looked ugly?
[03:05] <jude> it looked ugly til i got it using qt themes
[03:05] <jude> looked out of place
[03:06] <jude> it's about the only gnome app I ever liked
[03:10] <\sh> jude: screenshot?
[03:11] <eazel7> well, konversation is very similar
[03:12] <\sh> sad that only 0.17 came out after the hoary release
[03:12] <jude> it is
[03:12] <jude> konversati0n has too much wasted screen room for my tastes
[03:13] <jude> but thats what I'm using currently - trying to get used to it :)
[03:13] <eazel7> you think
[03:13] <psn> jude: in what way?
[03:13] <\sh> jude: well..if I have the time to bring kmyirc alive i will code another type of irc client..no dcc no scripts nothing pure irc ;)
[03:13] <jude> of course, it's all about opinions after all
[03:14] <jude> \sh put me on the mailing list - that sounds ideal :)
[03:14] <eazel7> \sh: use jabber then
[03:14] <\sh> jude: kmyirc.sf.net ;)
[03:14] <jude> noted :)
[03:14] <\sh> eazel7: well...i'm a jabber server admin as well...I have my own ;)
[03:15] <jude> "
[03:15] <\sh> jude: but the code is too old for compiling under actual kde ;)
[03:15] <kkathman> good morning, or whatever it is where you are :)
[03:15] <KaiL> jude: I'll use konversation the day, I can hide the server tabs...
[03:15] <jude> well get your skates on then - us non-coders are depending on you
[03:15] <eazel7> \sh: great, what jeps it incorpores? does it have pubsub?
[03:15] <jude> Kail: that's one annoyance - also i want the damn things at the top, and no status bar
[03:15] <\sh> eazel7: not right now...
[03:16] <eazel7> ok
[03:16] <\sh> eazel7: i'm waiting for a non python implementation ;)
[03:16] <eazel7> ok
[03:16] <eazel7> so, anybody has any idea about kdesu doesn't works to me?
[03:16] <\sh> eazel7: but proxy65 is in ( ok also python ,)) icq, aim, msn and muc
[03:17] <psn> jude: you can put the tabs on the top and hide the statusbar
[03:17] <jude> psn: in konv?
[03:17] <psn> jude: yup
[03:18] <KaiL> wow, gcc 4.0 in breezy?
[03:18] <psn> jude: for the statusbar: Settings->Hide Statusbar
[03:18] <\sh> well
[03:18] <\sh> funny thing is on the console: kdesu kcontrol workds
[03:18] <jude> ahaha
[03:18] <eazel7> wasn't it already in the hoary dev?
[03:18] <KaiL> is that binary compatible to 3.x?
[03:18] <KaiL> or again Problems?
[03:18] <eazel7> \sh: not to me :(
[03:18] <\sh> but running kdesu directly from kcontrol (e.g. for network control) its not working
[03:19] <jude> \sh that doesn't work here either
[03:19] <eazel7> it doesn't works neither from the console :(
[03:19] <jude> I had to edit net settings by hand
[03:19] <psn> jude: for the tabbar: Settings->Configure Konversation...->Behavior->Tab Bar->Labels->Place tab labels on top
[03:19] <\sh> well finally i don't have to edit anything...sudo pon dsl-provider or in the office vi dhcp...it's running ;)
[03:22] <jude> thanks psn, I promise to pay more attention in future
[03:22] <KaiL> has anybody updated from debian/sarge and got sudo to work?
[03:23] <psn> jude: just come by #konversation if you got any other questions
[03:23] <jude> psn: ta - is there a scripting interface?
[03:24] <psn> jude: not really... you can use some dcop based scripts though... eg /media
[03:25] <Tm_T> huoh
[03:26] <kkathman> howdy Tm_T !
[03:26] <Tm_T> hullo
[03:27] <Tm_T> I'm listening music I used to listen over 5 years ago
[03:27] <kkathman> I got tickled a bit with the new announcement from Mandriva
[03:27] <Tm_T> brings much memories
[03:28] <kkathman> Mandriva is putting out an "interim" release, which they are only releasing to their paying membership...kinda crappy if you ask me. Otherwise you have to pay for it. No download.
[03:28] <eazel7> :-/
[03:28] <kkathman> dont they believe in "open" or is this the Red Hat model all over again?
[03:29] <Tm_T> hm
[03:29] <eazel7> I bought the mandrake 7.2 and it was my worst invested money
[03:29] <jude> has anyone ever run crossover-ofice on kubuntu? I'm considering buying a copy...
[03:29] <eazel7> jude: I did
[03:29] <\sh> kkathman: they need money
[03:29] <eazel7> jude: it works, don't worry
[03:30] <jude> eazel7: thats great to know, thanks
[03:30] <kkathman> \sh obviously
[03:30] <eazel7> jude: but the same as with flash plugin, if you plan to use the plugins, disable composite
[03:30] <jude> I want it for IE (web page testing) and autocad
[03:30] <jude> eazel7: I don't understand the instruction, sorry - is that an X option?
[03:31] <eazel7> jude: it's a extension
[03:31] <\sh> jude: use arcad ;)
[03:31] <\sh> jude: running under windows and linux ;)
[03:31] <\sh> jude: native
[03:31] <eazel7> jude: probably you doesn't have it enabled
[03:33] <eazel7> is there any good open source cad program?
[03:33] <jude> I have never found one, but that doesn't mean there isn't one :)
[03:34] <\sh> qcad? ,-)
[03:35] <\sh>  but arcad .. it's worth the money...i was working with this guy couple of years ago..1987 i think it was...there was the first release of this programm running on a 286/386 :)
[03:35] <eazel7> qcad isn't 3d
[03:35] <jude> how much is arcad?
[03:36] <\sh> jude: i don't know..there are several pricing modells...best is if u r a student :)
[03:36] <\sh> http://www.arcad.de
[03:36] <jude> yeah, I found the site - it looks nice
[03:39] <\sh> its using a render software to show you the want to be build house ;)
[03:40] <jude> yeah, I've done some architectural visulalisation stuff, but it was on windows - modelled in autocad and rendered in max
[03:40] <jude> I'm trying to learn blender now :)
[03:41] <kkathman> jude: what's blender?
[03:42] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...
[03:42] <jude> 3d model/rener/anim app
[03:43] <eazel7> for those things I used several times kpovmodeler getting great results
[03:43] <eazel7> but those wasn't huge models, complex, not huge
[03:43] <\sh> eazel7: blender has all...3d modelling, rendering and animation ;)
[03:44] <jude> it is a fantastic example of what open source can achieve
[03:44] <\sh> eazel7: but i can't use it....for the first stepthrough blender tutorial...the time should be 30 minutes for the first half of it...i used 1 1/2 hours to work through ;)
[03:44] <eazel7> \sh: I know, blender has all, but my brain lost the 90% of its mass after an accidental lobotomy, which makes me to be unable to learn blender
[03:45] <jude> hehe
[03:45] <\sh> eazel7: dude, me too ;)
[03:45] <jude> you can do it - have you ever done 3d/cad before?
[03:45] <eazel7> hehe
[03:45] <eazel7> yup
[03:46] <jude> ah, thats not the bottleneck then :)
[03:48] <jude> I have been finding it hard to transfer skills though, I'll admit. Blender has some very different approaches to max
[03:48] <eazel7> void think (void *data); warning: unused variable data
[03:49] <\sh> warning: function  'void think' never used
[03:49] <eazel7> hehehe
[03:49] <jude> wings3d is a really nice modeller, if that's where blender is tripping you up...
[03:50] <eazel7> is it oss jude ?
[03:50] <jude> sudo apt-get install wings3d :)
[03:51] <jude> yup
[03:51] <jude> also http://www.wings3d.com/
[03:55] <Tm_T> hm
[03:55] <Tm_T> what's that
[03:55] <jude> bummer - it fails here...
[03:56] <jude> 1> Driver Failed {error,{open_error,"/usr/lib/erlang/lib/esdl-0.94.0615/priv/sdl_driver.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"}}
[03:57] <jude> that dir is there, but empty
[03:59] <jude> how can I find out if sdl is installed here?
[04:01] <JRe> hello
[04:02] <JRe> i'd like to help on the kubuntu project and i took a look to the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPeople page
[04:02] <jude> hi JRe
[04:02] <Riddell> JRe: cool
[04:03] <JRe> so i'd like to know how can i get in touch to help the project team :)
[04:03] <Riddell> JRe: see HelpingKubuntu too
[04:03] <Riddell> JRe: I'm here
[04:03] <JRe> oki thx
[04:04] <JRe> in fact i am pretty interessed to help on the kynaptic project :)
[04:05] <JRe> because i were dreaming for a long time of a Qt based apt front end
[04:05] <JRe> better than KPackage
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...
[04:06] <\sh> da_bon_bon: ask on the MLs
[04:06] <da_bon_bon> \sh: mailing lists ?
[04:06] <\sh> yeah
[04:07] <eazel7> why the distros still builds the kde against the xmms package
[04:07] <eazel7> ??
[04:07] <KaiL> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 39 2005-01-28 02:13 ../../mozilla/plugins/kaffeineplugin.so -> ../../mozilla/plugins/kaffeineplugin.so
[04:07] <KaiL> ...why happenes this again and again?
[04:07] <JRe> anyone knows how can i find informations on the Kynaptic devel team?
[04:08] <KaiL> around 90% of all plugin packages are broken because the "plugin" is only a link on itself
[04:08] <eazel7> in the package info?
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> eazel7: are u sure what are u speaking ?
[04:08] <JRe> yeah goog idea :)
[04:09] <JRe> but i have the debian sid package
[04:09] <eazel7> da_bon_bon: some packages has links
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> eazel7: like ?
[04:09] <eazel7> reiserfsprogs
[04:09] <eazel7> right now
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> eazel7: then where does xmms come in ?
[04:11] <eazel7> kicker-applets
[04:11] <eazel7> kicker-applets depends on xmms
[04:11] <eazel7> ='(
[04:15] <eazel7> how can I 'rebuild' a debian package building the deb... as ubuntu would do it but changing an option in the configure?
[04:16] <\sh> eazel7: download the source packages from debian server
[04:16] <\sh> check inside the sourcetree the debian/ dir
[04:16] <eazel7> \sh: apt-get source kicker-applets done
[04:16] <\sh> change rules and changelog and control or control.in if its using cdbs
[04:17] <\sh> eazel7: there is also a documentation how to rebuild debian sources for ubuntu
[04:17] <\sh> on the wiki
[04:17] <eazel7> \sh: gonna check that
[04:17] <\sh> developerresources
[04:17] <\sh> eazel7: and use finally pbuilder
[04:17] <\sh> wiki/PbuilderHowto
[04:18] <eazel7> did you read the article 'ubuntu would be harmful to debian' or something sortof?
[04:18] <\sh> no
[04:18] <\sh> but I'm taking a nap now...cause i want to write a howto about building packages ....
[04:19] <eazel7> I think that was on osnews
[04:19] <eazel7> \sh: great!!!
[04:19] <kkathman> \sh: I will be looking forward to that
[04:20] <\sh> eazel7: u can start reading my first howto ;) wiki/StephanHermann , there is a subpage on the bottom of my page...check this out...please correct some misspellings etc :)
[04:20] <\sh> guys...cu later in the night :)
[04:21] <JRe> re
[04:23] <JRe> anyone know how can i contact the kynaptic devel team? i am really interrested in helping them :) ?
[04:23] <jude> no idea, sorry - is there anything in the app's help dialog maybe?
[04:23] <JRe> there is not yet an anout box
[04:24] <JRe> about box
[04:25] <Riddell> JRe: they'll be me
[04:26] <jude> Riddell: are you the whole thing then?
[04:27] <Riddell> jude: no, but I do kubuntu with others
[04:27] <buz> props to you, Riddell
[04:28] <buz> maybe one of you devs could look into the multimedia stuff?
[04:28] <jude> Riddell: sorry, I meant kpackage specifically
[04:28] <buz> seems kinda broken, especially kaffeine
[04:29] <Riddell> buz: there was a fixed kaffine package uploaded but it was too late to get on the CD alas
[04:29] <kkathman> anyone here know python?
[04:29] <buz> yeah but why dont i get it with apt-get???
[04:29] <membreya> python..great guy
[04:29] <Riddell> jude: I don't do kpackage, I packaged kynaptic
[04:29] <membreya> big drinker
[04:29] <buz> i tried apt-get daily since the release, nothing
[04:29] <membreya> ugly when he drinks
[04:29] <kkathman> mornin membreya !
[04:29] <membreya> :D
[04:29] <membreya> aloha!
[04:29] <jude> Riddell: ah, now i understand :)
[04:30] <kkathman> membreya: I wish I was there right now :)
[04:30] <uniq> jude: http://webcvs.kde.org/kdeadmin/kpackage/README?rev=<IP_ADDRESS>&sortby=date&view=markup
[04:30] <membreya> kkathman: hell no ..it's 12 degrees :|
[04:30] <kkathman> membreya: I mean Hawaii :)
[04:30] <membreya> ooooooh gotcha ;)
[04:30] <kkathman> membreya: you know any python by chance?
[04:30] <membreya> thought you were coming on to me :| was trying to let you down gently :P
[04:30] <membreya> nope kkathman sorry
[04:30] <uniq> jude: the readme says - Toivo Pedaste<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[04:30] <kkathman> ROFL :)
[04:31] <membreya> kkathman: you could always join #python :P