[06:42] <screen-x> morning :)
[06:42] <jacobw> good morning screen-x :)
[06:42] <screen-x> \o jacobw
[06:42] <screen-x> another early person!
[06:43] <jacobw> buses to catch..
[06:44] <jacobw> i'd better get used to it, i've to got to start work at 7.30 next year
[06:44] <screen-x> ouch
[06:45] <screen-x> I'm sharing lifts with my wife who's doing early shifts, so I'm at my desk rather early..
[06:45] <jacobw> you're already there ? :o
[06:45] <screen-x> yah
[06:45] <jacobw> is there a coffee machine ? :p
[06:46] <screen-x> no, but I have a good supply of fruit tea :D
[06:46] <jacobw> hmm yum
[06:48] <screen-x> no o2 service here at the moment, normally its full HSPA
[07:37] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:06] <AlanBell> morning
[08:06] <MooDoo> AlanBell: morning
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all.
[08:10] <UndiFineD> good moaning
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning
[08:14] <rooks> hi guys, do you know of any good linux admin jobs, preferably ubuntu related, ideally on the outskirts of london?
[08:20] <jpds> rooks: All the DCs are in the City/Docklands.
[08:25] <rooks> jpds, any idea on how is job market regarding linux jobs around london? are there many good jobs, or are there lot of 'we only officially need linux admin for clusters, but you will also replace toner cartridges' around?
[08:27] <jpds> rooks: No, but you're likely to find something on the Guardian or such.
[08:30] <rooks> k, thx.
[08:30] <screen-x> rooks: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs
[08:35] <rooks> yay, thanks
[08:48] <popey> morning all
[08:48] <MooDoo> morning popey
[08:56] <screen-x> weird, my x session seems to be on vt8
[09:05] <daubers> Morning
[09:05] <screen-x> \o daubers
[09:08] <bigcalm> Morning
[09:15] <dwatkins> hiya folks
[09:16] <dwatkins> screen-x: wierd indeed, sounds like it started a 2nd one
[09:18] <screen-x> dwatkins: I did kill and restart gdm, but I expected it to restart on vt7.
[09:18] <dwatkins> as would I, but perhaps it hadn't properly finished when the new session started
[09:18] <screen-x> that is a possibility
[09:25]  * daubers considers moving his laptop to matty
[09:25] <daubers> s/matty/natty
[09:27] <daubers> They still rebuilding python?
[09:28] <daubers> Shoudl prolly wait till that's done
[09:29] <BigRedS> That sounds substantially less exciting
[09:29] <bigcalm> Why should WP not allow automatic upgrades when I'm using NAT?
[09:30] <BigRedS> WP = wordpress?
[09:30] <bigcalm> Yus
[09:30] <bigcalm> PitA
[09:31] <BigRedS> I've no idea. I've never had a situation where WP's automatic upgrade works
[09:31] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:31] <BigRedS> wget,unzip,mv has always worked for me, though
[09:31] <bigcalm> It works if it's a direct connection
[09:42] <andylockran> hey guys - is there a graphic equaliser plugin for pulse on ubuntu
[09:42] <andylockran> to adjust freqs
[09:48] <imexil> Hi.
[09:49] <imexil> Anyone experienced the flood of "bad flagvector" warnings when starting applications (happened for OOo, pidgin, emacs, spellchecker) in 10.10?
[09:51] <UndiFineD> imexil, whare would I see "bad flagvector"
[09:51] <UndiFineD> where
[09:51] <andylockran> I'm enjoying ipv6 :)
[09:52] <imexil> in my case: I start pidgin in the terminal
[09:52] <j0nr> hi folks
[09:52] <MooDoo> howdy
[09:52] <imexil> UndiFineD: or simpler just start $hunspell
[09:52] <imexil> or aspell does the same "trick"
[09:53] <jpds> andylockran: Other than gb.archive.u.c, have you found any other hosts enabled?
[09:53] <UndiFineD> no sorry imexil
[09:54] <UndiFineD> no warnings for me
[09:54] <imexil> strange
[09:54] <imexil> OK so at least it seems to have to do with my setip
[09:54] <imexil> setup
[09:54] <imexil> that helps already
[09:54] <j0nr> I need to remote control anotrher ubuntu machine. I dont have access to the machine, I can easily instruct the other user to enable remote desktop, but I dont think i can easily get them to enable port forwarding on their router
[09:54] <j0nr> is there a simpler solution, like logmein for ubuntu?
[09:55] <UndiFineD> imexil, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/583911
[09:55] <imexil> yes thatis the one I found. But the "workarounds" there didn't apply in my case
[09:56] <imexil> i.e., I didn't have that dictionary installed but still got all those warnings
[09:56] <UndiFineD> "It seems that myspell-en-za is the culprit"
[09:57] <imexil> Yes but as I said, I don't have that dict (actually non of the myspell packages installed)
[09:57] <imexil> I'm going to remove all spell packages and see what that brings
[09:58] <imexil> oops, turns out I DO have that package ... strange I thought I checked that before ;)
[09:58] <danfish> j0nr: have a look at gitso
[09:59] <UndiFineD> hehe imexil
[10:00] <imexil> j0nr: I use Teamviewer which is free for personal use and works cross platform like a charm. No setup required (like for gitso where you still need a ssh tunnel to get to the remote machine)
[10:06] <Mez> popey: what's up?
[10:10]  * kazade thinks Ubuntu should have a Nintendo Mii -style avatar system
[10:10] <kazade> morning all
[10:12] <ali1234> kazade: meego will probably have that
[10:12] <ali1234> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1338
[10:15] <kazade> ali1234, The reason I mention it is that I'm writing a multiplayer game, and it would be nice to be able to select an avatar for each player
[10:15] <selinuxium> morning all   o/
[10:15] <kazade> I think I'll code it in by using the /home/user/.face avatars
[10:17] <andylockran> jpds: I've accessed ipv6.google.com :)
[10:18] <andylockran> jpds: and just waitng for my dns server to update as I've set my homepage to be ipv6 capable :p
[10:20] <imexil> UndiFineD: OK looks like it that bug was the right indicator after all. The myspell dictionary for Norwegian is also broke / brakes any application that uses spell check
[10:21] <UndiFineD> ok, so no more errors now ?
[10:23] <imexil> no. since my language environment is set to no_XX any application having to do with some spell checking (ooo, editors, pidgin would have raised the flagvector errors)
[10:24] <screen-x> hmm, just had a succession of emails from twitter about new spam followers, all "female" , with only a first name given.  odd.
[10:24]  * Ng hrms at gnome's add printer dialog not showing printers that cups is broadcast advertising on the network
[10:24] <jpds> Ng: Hmm.
[10:25] <Ng> jpds: it sees the Xerox itself advertising itself, but not the queues in cups, very odd
[10:25] <Ng> and really quite unhelpful!
[10:26] <Mez> :( Just found out my car isn't coming for another 3 days
[10:28] <imexil> UndiFineD: OK bug reporting time then :)
[10:28] <UndiFineD> :D
[10:47]  * daubers realises some of his functions have too many exit points :(
[10:51] <kazade> Ubuntu-UK podcast time \o/
[10:59] <j0nr> imexil: does teamviewer work ubuntu to ubuntu
[11:00] <j0nr> ?
[11:00] <j0nr> imexil: I looked at their site and there only seems to be a download for the viewer... what needs to be on the remote machine?
[11:03] <daubers> j0nr: Yes it does
[11:14] <popey> j0nr: the same software
[11:14] <popey> the linux version is bundles with the WINE libraries, its not a native app
[11:14] <popey> Mez: not your mirror :)
[11:14] <popey> JonTheNiceGuy: hullo!
[11:15] <JonTheNiceGuy> Hi Popey :)
[11:15] <JonTheNiceGuy> Just listened to the latest UUPC
[11:15] <JonTheNiceGuy> Has anyone bothered you yet about phone clients for Identi.ca?
[11:15] <JonTheNiceGuy> (ps. hi all :) )
[11:16] <davmor2> morning all
[11:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning
[11:17] <popey> JonTheNiceGuy: no
[11:17] <popey> JonTheNiceGuy: I have tried all of the ones available, they all suck
[11:17] <popey> without exception
[11:17] <JonTheNiceGuy> Have you tried Mustard recently?
[11:17] <popey> mustard for iphone?
[11:17] <JonTheNiceGuy> Ohhhh
[11:17] <JonTheNiceGuy> I forgot you were a freedom hater ;)
[11:17]  * davmor2 pins a notice to czajkowski back that says she now lives in England not the UK
[11:17] <popey> indeed
[11:17] <JonTheNiceGuy> Hmmm
[11:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: she'll learn
[11:18] <BigRedS> How can you live in England but not in the UK?
[11:18] <JonTheNiceGuy> Is czajkowski UK based now? :)
[11:18] <popey> indeed
[11:18] <MooDoo> JonTheNiceGuy: yes
[11:18] <JonTheNiceGuy> Oooooo
[11:18] <BigRedS> Or am I missing the beginning of a joke?
[11:18] <JonTheNiceGuy> :D
[11:18] <popey> for addressing purposes i't "UK" not "England"
[11:18] <popey> *it's
[11:18] <popey> JonTheNiceGuy: yeah, she lives just round the corner from me
[11:19] <JonTheNiceGuy> Nice :D
[11:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: czajkowski  Irish so you have to give her some leeway
[11:19] <popey> I guess ;)
[11:19] <JonTheNiceGuy> heh
[11:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: well i suppose a little.....
[11:19] <maco> popey: oops
[11:19] <popey> JonTheNiceGuy: there also isnt a decent ipad identica client
[11:19] <maco> i wrote "England" on holiday card envelopes
[11:19] <davmor2> popey: your might be my international letter read ENGLAND and they get to me
[11:19] <popey> maco: not like it wont get here
[11:19] <maco> because i also wrote "Scotland" on the one for scotland...
[11:19] <popey> davmor2: yeah, it works, but post codes are UK postcodes not England post codes
[11:20] <popey> I am merely asserting that you're wrong in saying that czajkowski is wrong :)
[11:21] <MooDoo> popey: czajkowski is always wrong ;)
[11:21]  * screen-x stands well back
[11:21] <MooDoo> i think we need a new #blameczajkowski
[11:23] <davmor2> popey: Thats because the post code service cover Scotland and Wales as well as England, My postal Country is still England,  England is where I live, it is the rugby, football team I support in international competitions, and is written on my Birth Certificate.  Oh and I'm English not UKish :P
[11:24] <popey> No, you're british
[11:24] <popey> no matter what you think
[11:24] <MooDoo> i want to be english....
[11:25] <popey> you can call yourself whatever you like, I doubt anyone cares :)
[11:26] <czajkowski> JonTheNiceGuy: yup moved over here 5 weeks ago
[11:26] <czajkowski> davmor2: MooDoo too busy to deal with ye two today.
[11:26]  * maco is jealous
[11:26] <screen-x> maco: ?
[11:27] <maco> im in the states. i wanna move to the uk too!
[11:27] <MooDoo> maco: why? lol
[11:27] <screen-x> why?
[11:27] <maco> haha are you two reading each others' minds?
[11:27] <MooDoo> lol it happens
[11:27] <screen-x> yeah, we are one
[11:28] <maco> have wanted to since i visited 10 years ago
[11:28] <davmor2> popey: London is the capital city of what country?
[11:28] <MooDoo> maco: i'm the same about the states :D
[11:28] <Mez> popey: then what ?
[11:28] <popey> Mez: your mirror is down
[11:28] <andylockran> 7 years back luck
[11:28] <andylockran> bad*
[11:28] <Mez> popey: no, it's not - Daviey's lazy :)
[11:28] <popey> heh
[11:29]  * BigRedS boots into natty
[11:29] <Mez> popey: IP has changed. 66->97
[11:29] <Mez> popey: but the new place has everything awaiting and ready to be set up
[11:29] <maco> MooDoo: if you can afford it, dc is a great place to live. can walk most places and good public transit (northern virginia's buses seem to be always on time. dc's can run a bit behind, but at every-8-minutes intervals they cant get too far off)
[11:29] <Daviey> Mez: Ah, yes... your old mirror is the one you FAILED to upgrade between releases, so threw it away?
[11:30] <Mez> Daviey: I didn't fail - the memory limit failed :D
[11:30] <Mez> OOM on an upgrade is painful :)
[11:30] <MooDoo> maco: well i went to NYC and loved it, SF within a couple of years i hope
[11:30] <popey> is your vps a 16K spectrum?
[11:30] <BigRedS> I know it's oversaid, but I can really see where the "it's an OSX copy" comments come from
[11:30] <andylockran> lol
[11:30] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:30] <Mez> popey: yes.
[11:30] <popey> MooDoo: the bits round the edge of the USA are nice
[11:30] <Daviey> popey: like Canada?
[11:30] <popey> http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc  webcamtastic
[11:30] <popey> hahah Daviey
[11:30] <andylockran> Mexico
[11:30] <popey> cuba
[11:30] <andylockran> Cuba
[11:30] <popey> :S
[11:30] <andylockran> :P
[11:30] <andylockran> argh
[11:30] <andylockran> popefever
[11:31] <screen-x> andylockran: you are starstruck by the presence of popey?
[11:31] <popey> http://popey.blip.tv/file/4483981/ boringcam is boring
[11:31] <maco> there's one place in the US thats inland that i would recommend to outdoors-lovers:  Denver
[11:31] <maco> easy access to beautiful mountains and canyons for all the hiking, skiing, and biking you want
[11:32] <popey> i read canyons as crayons
[11:32] <maco> haha
[11:32]  * screen-x plays John Denver
[11:32] <Mez> We should all go hiuking in a crayon.
[11:32] <BigRedS> Skitt's Law :)
[11:32]  * Mez bagsies Electric Lime
[11:34] <screen-x> BigRedS: hadn't seen that before.
[11:34] <BigRedS> screen-x: Ah, I fall prey to it approximately fortnightly :(
[11:34] <maco> denver is a little oasis of liberal-by-usa-standards (which, from what i understand is about equiv to tories, but anyway...) in the middle of the us
[11:34] <popey> heh
[11:34] <popey> the whole 'liberal/socialism is bad' skit in the USA has is quite odd
[11:35] <maco> i was talking to Riddell once and asked what party there would be where my mum would fit, and he said there isnt one
[11:35] <screen-x> BigRedS: most of my irc lines contain typos!
[11:36] <maco> i was like "but one of them is named conservative. what about them? or the bnp?"   and Riddell said the tories are like the democrats and i went O_O
[11:36] <maco> (yes, i know what the bnp is known for...)
[11:36] <JonTheNiceGuy> maco, There was a "answer these questions to see which party you'd vote for" thing online a while back.
[11:36] <popey> oh yeah
[11:37] <maco> i attempted to go through the Political Compass thing answering how i thought she would
[11:37] <BigRedS> there were a few, I could never get two of them to agree for me
[11:37] <JonTheNiceGuy> :D
[11:37] <BigRedS> I should've voted for some spread of Tory, Labour, Green and BNP IIRC
[11:37] <JonTheNiceGuy> BigRedS, I always wondered whether some of them had a particular slant :)
[11:37] <BigRedS> JonTheNiceGuy: The Torygraph one wanted me to vote Labour, which I found peculiar
[11:37] <JonTheNiceGuy> :D
[11:38] <maco> heh i was asked the other day "and just WHY are you reading the torygraph, hmm?"  ...first id ever heard that. i answered "because google said so"  (it was just a weather report)
[11:39]  * BigRedS wants tab-completion for his aliases
[11:39]  * screen-x wants telepathic sentence completion
[11:39] <maco> wahhh politicalcompass.com is now domain name squatted
[11:39] <BigRedS> maco: .org I thought it was?
[11:40] <maco> oh
[11:40] <dwatkins> BigRedS: I have tab-complete for aliases in BSD's bash
[11:40] <JonTheNiceGuy> That'd be because it's .org ;)
[11:40] <BigRedS> rearrange those words into a coherent sentence :)
[11:40] <maco> BigRedS: you win
[11:40] <JonTheNiceGuy> BigRedS is yoda channelling, he is.
[11:40] <JonTheNiceGuy> s/he is/they are/
[11:40] <dwatkins> GNU bash, version 3.2.39, BigRedS
[11:40] <JonTheNiceGuy> (Gender non-specific... sorry)
[11:41] <BigRedS> dwatkins: I'm on Linux's zsh...
[11:41] <dwatkins> BigRedS: that would be why, then
[11:41] <BigRedS> JonTheNiceGuy: ah, I wondered if i'd become a plural :)
[11:41] <screen-x> JonTheNiceGuy: I'm  pretty sure the cookie monster is male
[11:41]  * maco blinks at the movement of Labour over time on http://politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010
[11:42] <BigRedS> maco: Nationalist Fascism's where it's at apparently
[11:42] <BigRedS> and, yeah, I am male, But I don't mind being plural :)
[11:43] <JonTheNiceGuy> BigRedS, Good to know, for the future D:
[11:43] <JonTheNiceGuy> :D even
[11:43] <daubers> Oooh, snow
[11:43] <JonTheNiceGuy> DAMN YOU KEYBOARD! KNOW WHICH KEYS I'M TRYING TO PRESS AND THE ORDER I MEANT TO PRESS THEM IN!!
[11:43] <JonTheNiceGuy> :)
[11:44] <BigRedS> I'd skip the keyboard step, really. Just have your IRC client know the meaning you intend to get across
[11:44] <JonTheNiceGuy> My only worry is at, like, 2am
[11:44] <BigRedS> Though I think zsh tab-completing aliases is more likely to happen :)
[11:44] <JonTheNiceGuy> and then... *shudder*
[11:46] <maco> BigRedS: all the major candidates in the us 2008 chart are in that quadrant too though. except the one i voted for..because i didnt vote major party
[11:53] <JonTheNiceGuy> Somewhat interestingly, I just re-did my political compass survey, and I'm in about the same place as The Dalai Lama :)
[11:53] <_H> hi this is urgent: ubuntu desktop and push email how?
[11:54] <screen-x> _H: push = imap idle, or exchange?
[11:55] <tugrik> not that urgent then ;)
[11:56] <_H> I don't know
[11:56] <JonTheNiceGuy> _H what do you have so far?
[11:56] <maco> JonTheNiceGuy: thats where i am
[11:56] <Mez> _H: What do you mean by "push email"?
[11:57] <_H> usually used via iphone or blackberry
[11:57] <JonTheNiceGuy> _H what's the domain name for the e-mail provider?
[11:57] <screen-x> iphones are capable of both those types.
[11:57] <JonTheNiceGuy> Or is it business use?
[11:57] <_H> edinburgh.gov.uk
[11:57] <Mez> _H: then in that sense, push email is simply a mobile telephone service.
[11:57] <JonTheNiceGuy> Probably exchange then.
[11:58] <_H> mail.edinburgh.gov.uk
[11:58] <Mez> _H: So, I don't think the push bit here is relevant. You just need to access your email
[11:58] <screen-x> owa, definitely outlook..
[12:00] <screen-x> _H: depends how your exchange server is setup, you can probalby use any imap client, but I think evolution has some capability for talking to exchange natively.
[12:01] <JonTheNiceGuy> screen-x, I think it used to be called the Ximian Connector
[12:02] <dwatkins> _H: can you not just use the web-interface?
[12:03] <BigRedS> screen-x: MS produced a whole load of bumpf aimed at Exchange admins explaining how IMAP was inherently insecure and should be disabled on Exchange servers. I don't know how many fell for it, but most Exchange servers I've seen don't do IMAP.
[12:04] <BigRedS> If they're expecting everyone to connect from Outlook or an iPhone, they don't need to
[12:04] <screen-x> BigRedSs: :(
[12:04] <Darael> _H: Evolution can connect to an Exchange server given only the OWA address.  If you can - and it appears you can - then Evolution can connect fine.
[12:04] <_H> you lost me at "Exchange server given only the OWA address.  If you can - and it appears you can - then Evolution can connect fine."
[12:04] <BigRedS> _H: OWA = Outlook Web Access
[12:05] <Darael> Ah.
[12:05] <BigRedS> The webmail interface to Exchange
[12:05] <Darael> If you try to set up an account in Evo of type "exchange", it will ask for the webmail interface address.
[12:07] <kazade> does anyone know of a simple graphical utility that is equivalent to the "mail" command for reading email?
[12:08] <JonTheNiceGuy> kazade, How simple are you talking about? Could you not start mail in an xterm window?
[12:08] <kazade> I have a server with a LOT of unread email and I can't figure out how to use the "mail" command to quickly read it all
[12:08] <screen-x> kazade: mutt
[12:09] <BigRedS> You can point most graphical mail clients at a Maildir or mbox file, if that's what you're after?
[12:09] <screen-x> its not very graphical, but its great for mass processing mail.
[12:09] <kazade> screen-x, perfect thanks
[12:10] <kazade> BigRedS, I wanted something really lightweight, but less lightweight than "mail" :)
[12:11] <bigcalm> popey: what does your Joggler run?
[12:12] <popey> whatever I put on the usb stick :0
[12:12] <bigcalm> What have you liked so far?
[12:13] <bigcalm> And does one need a usb hub to add a keyboard, or is the onscreen one enough?
[12:13] <exobuzz> new joggler distribution (related to ubuntu so not completely offtopic) http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/jolicloud/ ;-)
[12:13] <exobuzz> bigcalm, keyboard is useful. can get some nice small wireless ones that work well
[12:14] <exobuzz> im using a laptop size one
[12:14] <exobuzz> you can get much smaller/compact though
[12:14] <exobuzz> onscreen keyboard is ok if you dont want to do much customisation etc and just do basic stuff
[12:15] <exobuzz> sorry. wasnt my question. i butted in..
[12:16] <BigRedS> kazade: Ah, I thought you might already have a mail client knocking around
[12:17] <kazade> BigRedS, nah, not on this server
[12:17] <kazade> If I send an email to user@host and host is running postfix, should the user receive it - or do I have to configure postfix for that?
[12:22] <BigRedS> kazade: I think postfix defaults to delivering to ~/Maildir
[12:23] <BigRedS> I think. It's been a long time since I last saw a default postfix. But it definitely puts mail to existing users somewhere under their ~
[12:35] <kazade> anyone know much about reverse dns?
[12:35] <JonTheNiceGuy> kazade, what are you trying to find out?
[12:36] <kazade> well..
[12:36] <screen-x> kazade: only that it's a pain with cidr
[12:36] <kazade> I've got some domains which are handled by a domain registrar (e.g. using their DNS server)
[12:36] <kazade> and I have a set of servers in a server farm which are allocated a range of ips
[12:37] <kazade> if I want to set up a reverse dns record, do I have to install a DNS server on the machine just to host the PTR record?
[12:37] <BigRedS> whoever is authoritative for that IP address needs to hold the record
[12:37] <BigRedS> or delegate it to your DNS server
[12:47] <kazade> BigRedS, if I just set up a DNS server at the ip address that serves a PTR record would that work?
[12:48] <BigRedS> kazade: no, people would need to know to ask your server for the ptr address
[12:48] <BigRedS> you need to ask whoever assigned you the IP address to have your server authoritative for that IP address (or possibly block)
[12:48] <BigRedS> or, more likely, have them slave the records off your machine. Or just set it to whatever you require
[12:49] <kazade> ok , see in the past we had a Win2k dns server running and there were ptr records in there. But we've just moved the records back to the registrar (as we are trying to move to the "cloud")
[12:49] <kazade> just wondering if reverse dns ever worked..
[12:49] <BigRedS> it's likely it didn't
[12:50] <BigRedS> unless the things that needed it were specifically requesting from that 2k server
[12:53] <kazade> BigRedS, ok, thanks - I'm contacting the hosting company
[12:54] <screen-x> Anyone know how to setup a slave kdc? I'm attempting to create a stash file with, "kdb5_util stash" which returns "kdb5_util: No such file or directory while initializing database" The obvious response would be create a new database, but I want this to be a slave to an existing master, rather than a new master KDC.
[12:54] <andylockran> hey guys - anyone use terminator
[12:55] <andylockran> ctrl+shift+F for searching scrollback doesn't appear to work
[12:55] <screen-x> I did for a very brief time, then screen with v-splits arrived :D
[12:59] <danfish> \o/ angry birds has released a seasonal special edition - more levels
[13:01] <zleap> any idfea where the option to add a signatgure to an e-mail in thunderbird has now been hidden
[13:01] <zleap> i can't find it
[13:03] <BigRedS> it's in server setup isn't it?
[13:03] <BigRedS> somewhere daft like the smtp server config
[13:03] <BigRedS> edit->account settings->[pick account]->composition
[13:04] <zleap> well that has a tick box to include one
[13:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[13:04] <screen-x> found my kdc problem, creating a database != creating a new realm. Slave KDCs need an empty database to store slave data in.
[13:06] <zleap> ok they haver moved it to the account settings bit
[13:06] <zleap> but yeah they have moved it, there is a box to enter your own text under that there is the box to choose a file
[13:06] <zleap> BigRedS, thanks
[13:37] <X3N> oh, it was running
[13:39] <Mez>  /j #cyanogenmod
[13:40] <jpds> Mez: Sure.
[13:40] <dwatkins> ooh, I dind't know there was a channel for that here, thanks Mez
[13:40]  * dwatkins thought the official cyanogen channel was on another network
[13:41] <bigcalm> I thought so as well
[13:41]  * dwatkins notes he has no voice on it
[13:41] <Mez> Nah, it's on here - and I didn't mean to type that here.
[13:41] <Mez> Fail at putting spaces in.
[13:41] <Mez> I'm just hoping that that channel will explode when gingerbread releases :D
[13:42]  * dwatkins realises he hadn't identified with nickserv and does so
[13:42] <dwatkins> yeah, most likely it will, Mez
[13:42] <Mez> hence the hilights :D
[13:43]  * MartijnVdS waits for the official gbread for Nexus One
[13:43] <Mez> MartijnVdS: that's what I'm waiting for too :D
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> Mez: I've re-flashed my N1 with the US factory firmware (instead of the EU firmware, which makes you wait for Vodafone to ack updates)
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> so I'm on 2.2.1 already now :)
[13:44] <Mez> MartijnVdS: Mine was on EU (non voda) firmware (from Google directly).
[13:44] <Mez> It's currently on cyanogen 6.10 (2.2.1)
[13:45] <Mez> and it'll be going to stock gbread as soon as that's out
[13:45] <Mez> (possibly before - as I get "Press" OTAs)
[13:45] <bigcalm> I still can't download the google apps with rom manager when selecting 6.1
[13:45] <bigcalm> I'm stuck on RC2 forever more
[13:46] <Mez> bigcalm: Known bug - download 6.1 - install, go back into ROM Manager, and download the apps seperately.
[13:47] <bigcalm> Mez: cheers
[13:47] <Mez> bigcalm: no worries - I did it myself.
[13:50] <bigcalm> What's so good about stock gingerbread?
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> it's stock.. you get OTA updates
[13:53] <bigcalm> And this is better than Cynaogenmod?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> imho it is
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> Cyanogen has WAY too many toggles and switches and bad defaults imho
[13:54] <bigcalm> Works exceedingly well on my N1
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> oh sure it works.. but the notification bar is al weird (slide down the top bar)
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> and it asks for a size when adding widgets (why?!)
[13:57] <danfish> MartijnVdS: does that stock image work on the htc desire?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> danfish: I don't know
[13:57] <Mez> MartijnVdS: it asks for a size, because you can (in theory) change the amount of grid points on your desktop.
[13:58] <Mez> So if you changed it to have 8 columns - you'd probably want a widget that's meant to fill your screen to be 8 wide, not 4
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> it's still annoying :)
[13:59] <Mez> MartijnVdS: I personally use Cyanogen - but I'm quite happy with using Stock aswell (though, There are some tweaks in Cyanogen that make me like it more)
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> Mez: as long as it doesn't have Sense... ;)
[13:59] <bigcalm> I like having different colour notifications for each part of the system
[13:59] <Mez> MartijnVdS: oh, yes.
[14:00] <Mez> MartijnVdS: I will not use a phone that has SenseUI?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> I won't either
[14:00] <bigcalm> I gave my GF my Wildfire when I renewed my t-mobile contract. The phone is cute but the SenseUI is horrible
[14:00] <Mez> sense is the biggest POS I've seen
[14:01] <Mez> I do like their clock widget though.
[14:01] <Mez> But that's it.
[14:01] <bigcalm> I don't think my GF will let me mod the phone
[14:01] <Mez> bigcalm: is it your phone? :P
[14:01] <bigcalm> Technically...
[14:02] <bigcalm> Mez: women can be picky
[14:02] <Mez> bigcalm: why does she have any say over what's on your phone.
[14:02] <Mez> bigcalm: It'd be like her saying "You have to use Windows"
[14:02] <bigcalm> Mez: I gave her the phone as I didn't need it
[14:02] <directhex> i like sense
[14:03] <Flashtek> i like sense ui
[14:03] <directhex> i miss much of sense, using villainrom
[14:03] <Mez> bigcalm: oh, then that's a fair point.
[14:03] <directhex> slow though
[14:03]  * Mez slaps directhex and Flashtek
[14:03] <Flashtek> personal preference..
[14:04] <Mez> Go on guys, run quadrant :D Lets see your scores :D
[14:04] <Flashtek> what ?
[14:04] <Mez> Quadrant - Android Benchmark :D
[14:04] <Flashtek> oh, pissing contest..
[14:04] <Mez> Flashtek: ePeen :D
[14:05] <Flashtek> lol
[14:06] <Flashtek> oh, this is the one that will not run..
[14:07] <Flashtek> lack of stensil buffer
[14:08] <Flashtek> I did look in to a few roms, but never had any success...
[14:11] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:12] <bigcalm> My N1 scored 1286: less than standard N1 with 2.2
[14:12] <bigcalm> Unless I'm reading it wrong
[14:12] <Flashtek> Mez: what ROM would you recommend ?
[14:13] <Mez> Flashtek: CyanogenMod if it's available for your handset
[14:14] <Flashtek> Wildfire
[14:16] <Flashtek> does look like its available
[14:16] <Mez> Experimental though
[14:16] <Mez> http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/files/category/34-htc-wildfire/
[14:17] <Flashtek> question is, how do I use it..?
[14:19] <Mez> Flashtek: is your phone rooted?
[14:19]  * BigRedS wants cyanogen for Galaxy :(
[14:19] <Mez> BigRedS: experimental avail;able
[14:19] <BigRedS> Flashtek: there's normally pretty good HowTos on the cyanogenmod forums
[14:20] <BigRedS> Mez: O RLY? when did that happen?
[14:20] <Mez> BigRedS: ah... lol - it looked like there was
[14:20] <Mez> but it was just a link to a "no files to display"
[14:21] <BigRedS> haha
[14:21] <BigRedS> Actually, I'm now tending towards wanting a quite vanilla android for it
[14:21] <BigRedS> just to see what it's like
[14:22]  * Flashtek downloads the rom zip file..
[14:29] <Azelphur> grr, back and forward on chrome seems to be broken since the most recent update
[14:30] <dwatkins> that's pretty fundamental, Azelphur
[14:30] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:30] <dwatkins> beta, I assume
[14:30] <Azelphur> dwatkins: it skips loads of pages
[14:30] <Azelphur> so like I go to google, do a search, click images, click the image, then press back
[14:30] <Azelphur> I end up back at the google homepage before I even did the search
[14:30] <Azelphur> so it does like 4 jumps back instead of 1
[14:30] <Azelphur> keeps doing it, too.
[14:31] <dwatkins> I assume it's not just google images being wierd
[14:31] <Azelphur> yea
[14:33] <dwatkins> What chrome version, Azelphur?
[14:34] <Azelphur> 8.0.552.215 (67652)
[14:36] <dwatkins> I'm running 8.0.552.215 (Official Build 67652) on windows 7, so I can only assume this is a linux-specific problem
[14:37] <dwatkins> Azelphur: I assume you've rebooted, tried another user etc.
[14:37] <Azelphur> nope
[14:37] <dwatkins> rebooted in terms of a possible problem with the keyboard driver etc.
[14:37] <dwatkins> sorry, mouse driver
[14:37] <dwatkins> worth trying it in another X session, I guess
[14:38] <ali1234> Azelphur: it's because the new google images works differently
[14:38] <ali1234> it's all html5 now, as a result back doesn't work properly
[14:39] <dwatkins> so it is google images being wierd ;-)
[14:39]  * dwatkins was implying that it might be worth checking other websites
[14:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: fun
[14:41] <ali1234> the crazy thing about the new google images is they keep turning it on and off, it's really weird
[14:42] <ali1234> maybe it's a cunning piece of psychology to make people not complain about the new UI, like they always do
[14:42] <Azelphur> haha
[14:42] <ali1234> just confuse the crap out of everyone by turning it on and off, then when you turn it on permanently everyone will not even notice
[15:14] <gord> hrm? it turns "off" for you?
[15:15] <BigRedS> Is 9.04 Grub1 or Grub2 by default?
[15:15]  * BigRedS googles
[15:16] <gord> should be grub 1 i think
[15:16] <BigRedS> Ah, I can have 8.04. That'll do
[15:17] <diplo> utoh, anonymous hitting amazon now :D
[15:17] <dwatkins> why is that a good thing, diplo?
[15:18] <diplo> Did i say it was a good thing
[15:18] <dwatkins> you implied as much with your smile, diplo
[15:18] <diplo> I thought they would be the least likely to go down with there infrastructure
[15:18] <dwatkins> sorry if I misinterpretted
[15:18] <dwatkins> yeah, true
[15:18] <diplo> yer seem to have added that on the end
[15:19] <diplo> Seems to be up and down
[15:19] <diplo> .com that is
[15:19] <diplo> But on the flip side, someone is taking down anonops site
[15:22] <andylockran> weird.
[15:29] <jacobw> afternoon :)
[15:31] <jacobw> just got a new acer timeline, vista installation is AWFUL
[15:31] <BigRedS> I had my first go on Windows 7 the other day
[15:31] <BigRedS> it's not that bad, from what littel I did with it
[15:31] <jacobw> resolution is wrong, the default applications aren't loaded properly
[15:31] <jacobw> bleh.
[15:32] <jacobw> yeah, Windows 7 isn't bad at all
[15:32] <jpds> BigRedS: Now try Solaris.
[15:32] <jacobw> just takes some getting used to
[15:32] <BigRedS> still frustrated by OS installs that don't let me use the PC while they're doing it, though
[15:32] <BigRedS> jpds: I did, a while ago. Quite liked it.
[15:32] <BigRedS> but that doesn't do games properly either
[15:33] <dwatkins> I am surprised every time I discover a windows application which is still only available as a 32-bit version
[15:34] <jacobw> that would be most of them wouldn't it dwatkins?
[15:36] <dwatkins> jacobw: yes, a vast majority of the software I use
[15:37] <jacobw> crappy java is the thing that really gets my goat :(
[15:37] <dwatkins> there isn't even a 64-bit version of Apache for windows.
[15:41] <jacobw_> [with]
[15:41] <gord> honestly for windows the 32/64bit thing just adds complication, they don't have the nice software system we do, so most people just go for releasing 32 bit versions unless the software really really needs 64bit
[15:41] <andylockran> guys - I want a server to constantly stream a random playlist - and for clients to tune in/tune out with a desktop client - can anyone recommend a way to do this?
[15:41] <andylockran> i.e. for a work rardio station
[15:41] <gord> andylockran, icecast
[15:42] <jacobw> ghosty
[15:43] <andylockran> gord: ta
[15:47] <jacobw> my ADSL is running at ~1Mb/s this afternoon
[15:47] <jacobw> unfortunately reseting it to clear the ADSL establishment isn't working as it usually does
[15:47] <gord> 1mbit sucks :( not quite enough to do anything well
[15:47] <bigcalm> Have you offered it a cuppa tea?
[15:47] <gord> i find 2/3 mbit is fine for most things, but 1mbit is infuriating
[15:47] <jacobw> well, i've just taken delivery of a new laptop for a client, and discovered that i don't have an ubuntu lucid or maverick iso on my machine, so i'm trying to download the maverick iso
[15:48] <jacobw> i'm used to this taking ~20 minutes as opposed to 90 minutes
[16:02] <X3N> how do I update my git branch against master?
[16:03] <ali1234> git fetch origin; git merge origin/master
[16:03] <ali1234> or just git pull
[16:05] <andylockran> gord: it's not just simple is it :(
[16:05] <Phineas> i have returned
[16:06] <gord> andylockran, nope
[16:19] <Phineas> merry xmas everyone
[16:21] <freesitebuilder> started my Christmas shopping today :)
[16:21] <Phineas> its my birthday soon (5 days to go)
[16:22] <freesitebuilder> so do you miss out and only get one set of presents?
[16:23] <Phineas> freesitebuilder,  nope i get all of my xmas and birthday prezzies
[16:23] <Flashtek> Phineas: mine in sat
[16:24] <Flashtek> Phineas: how old will you be ?
[16:24] <Phineas> Flashtek,  in sat?
[16:24] <Flashtek> *on
[16:24] <Phineas> Flashtek,  i will be 11
[16:24] <Flashtek> oohh...
[16:25] <Flashtek> nearly 1/3 of my age
[16:25] <MooDoo> Flashtek: nearly a quarter of mine, well in 2/3 years :)
[16:25] <Flashtek> :D
[16:27] <Flashtek> i dont feel so old any more
[16:27] <MooDoo> lol
[16:28] <bigcalm> Flashtek: early 30s isn't old
[16:29]  * jacobw wonders how old bigcalm is ;)
[16:29] <bigcalm> 31
[16:30]  * dwatkins is 33
[16:30] <X3N> thanks ali1234
[16:36] <Phineas> bigcalm,  nice nick?
[16:38] <Phineas> bigcalm,  where did you get your nick from?
[16:39] <bigcalm> Morcheeba album
[16:44] <Phineas> bigcalm,  who?
[16:45] <bigcalm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morcheeba
[16:45] <Pendulum> bigcalm: you know, I'd never put that together :-/
[16:46] <bigcalm> Pendulum: some time ago I needed a new nick. I had the album CD on my desk and went with that
[16:46] <Pendulum> hah
[16:46] <bigcalm> Though my fave. track off of that album is The Sea
[16:47] <Pendulum> bigcalm: I admittedly didn't know Morcheeba at all until I was visiting some mates in the UK a few years ago and got brought along to a concert :)
[16:47] <bigcalm> Cool
[16:47] <bigcalm> What do you think?
[16:47] <Pendulum> I had fun and bought albums :)
[16:48] <bigcalm> \o/
[16:48] <Pendulum> and a vest (which I have somewhere and in about 10 more lbs it'll fit again \o/)
[16:48] <bigcalm> Awww, heh
[16:59] <Phineas> if only i could get some phineas and ferb pjs in my size
[17:14] <Phineas> convert flv into mp3 (ffmpeg) how do i do thi?
[17:15] <Phineas> anyone?
[17:16] <bigcalm> Phineas: do you keep irc logs?
[17:16] <Phineas> bigcalm,  yes
[17:17] <bigcalm> Phineas: then I suggest that you read yesterday's log when you asked the same question and people gave you information on how to do it
[17:17] <Phineas> bigcalm,  don't have a log from then
[17:18] <Phineas> :(
[17:19] <bigcalm> Phineas: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/08/%23ubuntu-uk.html
[17:29] <Phineas> bigcalm,  it worked i think, i now have an .aac
[17:30] <Phineas> bigcalm,  which worked
[17:35] <bigcalm> Good for you
[17:48] <Phineas> is it ok to have a very slight whistleing nois from laptop fans
[17:50] <Phineas> ?
[17:53] <AlanBell> Phineas: not sure if you realise, but we can't hear it
[17:54] <Phineas> AlanBell,  i know that
[18:05] <daubers> Working late sucks
[18:06] <jpds> daubers: "Sooner is better than later".
[18:07] <daubers> jpds: You wha?
[18:10] <jpds> daubers: Principal from http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0596007833/ .
[18:11] <Phineas> bye
[18:12] <daubers> jpds: I see.... Just got a release deadline tomorrow so polishing a few UI issue. UI stuff takes _forever_ to get right
[18:20] <MonsterKiller> whats the package called to install mysql? it will be for web server and after i will install phpmyadmin.
[18:21] <MonsterKiller> is it just 'mysql' ?
[18:24] <MonsterKiller> as, mysql-server
[18:27] <Nafallo> !info mysql-server
[18:27] <Nafallo> ^-- MonsterKiller
[18:27] <Nafallo> anyone in here with a full uupc mirror?
[18:27] <Nafallo> I need to know how big it is
[18:28] <popey> 6.9G    /srv/uk-lo-0.static.podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[18:28] <Nafallo> popey: ta.
[18:28] <popey> np
[18:31] <Nafallo> now... that's interesting. the guest think it has 2GB, but the host have given it 10GB :-P
[18:32] <Nafallo> popey: what's the growth rate like?
[18:32] <Nafallo> popey: no need to buy a SAN for it, right?
[18:32] <popey> well, split that over 3 seasons
[18:32] <Nafallo> there is an "extras" as well :-)
[18:32] <popey> so 2.3 per season,
[18:32] <popey> extras is tiny
[18:33] <popey> so it'll be ~9.2GB this time next year
[18:33] <Nafallo> okidoki
[18:33] <Nafallo> ta popey :-)
[18:33] <Nafallo> so I have at least a year of growth on this one \o/
[18:34] <Nafallo> except I have no idea how I've managed to partition this host.
[18:34] <Nafallo> I almost feel a bit retarded.
[19:35] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:36] <popey> Hullo!
[19:36] <AlanBell> it is website hack day tomorrow
[19:36] <AlanBell> and I don't mean paypal mastercard and visa
[19:37] <daubers> AlanBell: All ready with the jobs to dish out?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you mean the UK government? 8-)
[19:37] <AlanBell> nope
[19:37] <AlanBell> and I am out all morning too
[19:37] <AlanBell> but don't let that stop anyone
[19:40] <daubers> I'm not even home yet :(
[19:40] <daubers> Might try and do some from a coffee shop in reading in the afternoon
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> "Write code as though the person who maintains it after you is a homicidal maniac who knows where you live."
[19:54] <AlanBell> but I have no idea where you live
[19:56] <BigRedS> Don't tell them that!
[19:57] <AlanBell> if you go here http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/wp-login.php?action=register
[19:58] <AlanBell> you should be able to register as a subscriber
[19:58] <AlanBell> then you can be bumped up to author/editor/hacker/whatever as needed
[20:00] <daubers> \o/
[20:00] <daubers> AlanBell: Is there a list of stuff that needs to be done?
[20:01] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/website
[20:03] <diwanescu> test!
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> it works
[20:04] <diwanescu> yay :)
[20:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Scott James Remnant] Not a WordPress Certified Engineer - http://www.netsplit.com/2010/12/09/not-a-wordpress-certified-engineer/
[20:10] <AlanBell> best not get SJR involved tomorrow then :)
[20:12] <derfred> and again test!
[20:12] <AlanBell> still not broken derfred
[20:12] <derfred> oh no ;)
[20:13] <daubers> !oops
[20:13] <daubers> Now it's broken
[20:38] <coffeebean8888> who has snow?
[20:39]  * Flashtek checks
[20:39] <Flashtek> I have pie, does that count ?
[20:39] <coffeebean8888> yes
[20:39] <anomnomnom> #OperationPayback
[20:39] <coffeebean8888> what kind of pie is it white?
[20:39] <Flashtek> cream pie
[20:45] <coffeebean8888> does nobody speak?
[20:51] <Flashtek> no, never
[20:52] <coffeebean8888> pie eater
[20:53] <coffeebean8888> whats new on ubuntu?
[20:57] <jacobw> unity brings divisions within Ubuntu coffeebean8888
[20:57] <jacobw> that is whats new in Ubuntu :d
[20:57] <jacobw> er.. :D even
[21:14] <MonsterKiller> Hey. I dont know if anyone can help. A few things i had one ubuntu server i had used to auto-start when the vps did but some of them no longer do.
[21:15] <BigRedS> MonsterKiller: how did you configure them to autostart?
[21:15] <BigRedS> and did you change anything else when they stopped working? Upgrading things or something?
[21:16] <MonsterKiller> sudo update-rc.d <what ever> defaults
[21:16] <MonsterKiller> BigRedS, all that heppened was it crashed one day
[21:16] <MonsterKiller> after that some just didnt start
[21:16] <MonsterKiller> i had to start them manually
[21:17] <MonsterKiller> happend*
[21:17] <MonsterKiller> happened*
[21:17] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:26] <MonsterKiller> :O apache2 ninja'd its way onto my VPS even though i have lighthttpd
[21:26] <MonsterKiller> o.O
[21:28] <BigRedS> MonsterKiller: peculiar, I've no idea...
[21:33] <MonsterKiller> how would i get rid of apache2? i tried apt-get remove apache / apache2 but it said it wasnt installed. i dont even know how it got installed
[21:33] <BigRedS> how do you know it is installed?
[21:33] <MonsterKiller> becuase it ran when i started my vps
[21:34] <Flashtek> perhaps it's not installed by dpkg
[21:34] <BigRedS> what said it ran? Is there an apache in /usr/local/bin or /opt/? Does anyone else have access to it?
[21:35] <MonsterKiller> ps -aux said it ran xD
[21:35] <MonsterKiller> there is /etc/apache2
[21:35] <BigRedS> that is weird
[21:36] <MonsterKiller> its not in /usr/local.bin though
[21:36] <MonsterKiller> local/bin*
[21:38] <MonsterKiller> whats the best way to get rid of it? i really dont want it there since i have lighthttpd
[21:41] <andylockran> howdy all
[21:41] <andylockran> MonsterKiller: aptitude purge apache2 ?
[21:42] <andylockran> just about to head home having installed a new router in the office
[21:42] <andylockran> we've been having weird issues with our network connection over the past few weeks
[21:42] <andylockran> anyone recommend a way of monitoring the connection overnight?
[21:43] <andylockran> put it under a little bit of load -but not more than a few gigs over the course of the next 10 hours
[21:46] <brobostigon> evening all.
[21:58] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333
[22:29] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[22:30] <brobostigon> just gave my mum my second swype beta install, lets see what she thinks.
[22:31] <daubers> Woot!
[22:31] <daubers> Home time!
[22:32] <brobostigon> :)
[22:32] <Paul2> is there a #ubuntu focusing on wubi/can anyone do 10.10 with wubi?
[22:50] <Paul2> nevermind sorted :)
[22:59] <organnyx> join#OperationPayback
[23:09] <Danawar2> man i just let one of my friends on my ssh
[23:09] <Danawar2> and he did cat /dev/zero | gzip > /dev/hda1 =[
[23:10] <dutchie> and this is why root shells are evil
[23:10] <mgdm> Danawar2: that was particularly nasty
[23:11] <mgdm> it might be recoverable, though
[23:11] <Danawar2> limited it to 1gb
[23:11] <Danawar2> so just slowed the machine down
[23:11] <ali1234> what filesystem?
[23:11] <Danawar2> i just couldnt believe that just a user could do that
[23:11] <Danawar2> ext3 i think
[23:11] <dutchie> really, a user shell?
[23:11] <dutchie> wow
[23:11] <mgdm> err
[23:11] <ali1234> probably recoverable from the backup superblocks then
[23:11] <mgdm> if it's a user shell, he won't have been able to do the write
[23:12] <dutchie> that's what i thought...
[23:12] <Danawar2> he wrote it into tmp
[23:12] <dutchie> also, what's the point gzipping zeroes? ;)
[23:12] <mgdm> Oh, so he just filled up the filesystem?
[23:12] <mgdm> that's not what the commadn you wrote did
[23:13] <Danawar2> sorrry
[23:13] <Danawar2> pasted the wrong one
[23:13] <Danawar2> dd if=/dev/zero of=file1G.tmp bs=1M count=1024
[23:14] <Danawar2> was the one i think he used
[23:15] <ali1234> nothing special about that, it will just create a 1gb file of zeros
[23:15] <Danawar2> yeee
[23:15] <Danawar2> was annoying =[
[23:17] <brobostigon> nos da all.
[23:18] <ali1234> turn on disk quotas or something...
[23:19] <chattr_> check out /etc/security/limits.conf
[23:32] <n1md4> Evening all.  Is anyone using Ubuntu Light?  Only available by OEM due to its customised nature!  I'd like it on an Eee 900 as the full unity version is a bit slow ... anyone heard anything about this?
[23:33] <Danawar2> chattr_: Thanks
[23:34] <n1md4> Oooo 40 seconds before GT5 finishes installing (brb!)
[23:38] <tugrik> hi - anyone here use tomoyo?


[03:06] <blahdeblah> I'm with you, ikt (about the ice cream, that is...)
[04:37] <Compacthack> After a day of trying to get 11.04 beta to run in VB I find out it doesn't work in VB, maybe I should have googled earlier!
[05:41] <head_victim> bejames, blahdeblah caryb & anyone else in Brisbane, does Friday the 29th April work for everyone ?
[05:42] <bejames> head_victim, Won't know until my wife gets her roster unfortunately
[05:42] <bejames> tentatively, yes
[05:42] <sagaci> so you'd say 5 is a minimum for release parties/gatherings?
[05:43] <head_victim> bejames: fair enough, is the pancake manor a good enough place to go or should we be looking for some wifi (possibly stealing Sydney's idea)
[05:43] <head_victim> sagaci: I reckon 2 is a minimum :)
[05:44] <bejames> head_victim, if we can find somewhere with wifi that would be good. I'm just hopeless at coming up with alternatives
[05:44] <head_victim> bejames: I hate choosing places as well that's why I'm trying to palm that off :P
[05:44] <bejames> :)
[05:44] <sagaci> wifi would be good since the iso's will be ready but then again, i'm not going to the brisbane one
[05:46] <sagaci> not to download but wifi would be good for its own sake
[05:46] <head_victim> I'd have it here but no room for more than about 10
[05:54] <bejames> Coffee hit King George Square has Wifi
[05:54] <sagaci> yey, free head_victim wifi
[05:54] <head_victim> bejames: how will they like 20 odd people hanging around for a couple of hours on a friday night? Just seeing how big/small it is
[05:54] <head_victim> sagaci: welcome to it, anytime
[05:55] <head_victim> I seed Lubuntu torrents just to use up bandwidth every month
[05:56] <bejames> head_victim,  on second  thought, they probably wont be open at night - more of a lunchtime place.... and may not seat 20
[05:56] <sagaci> head_victim: you're on bigpond 200gb yeah
[05:56] <head_victim> bejames: ah fair enough
[05:56] <bejames> Power House Museum?
[05:57] <head_victim> What's that like? Bar, cafe, function room?
[05:58] <bejames> all of the above I think
[05:59] <bejames> Brisbane Powerhouse
[05:59] <bejames> You can see a show or a band at Brisbane Powerhouse, you can have a drink or a meal, you can bring your kids, you can just come for the coffee and now you can bring your laptop and get online with free wireless internet access
[05:59] <bejames> from http://www.ourbrisbane.com/see-and-do/help-for-travellers/getting-connected-brisbane
[06:00] <sagaci> just did a few more strings in firefox, up to 33% complete
[06:01] <head_victim> sagaci: sweet, would be awesome to have that front screen completely done
[06:02] <sagaci> i did evolution and evolution-data before
[06:48] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Were you thinking in the evening of the 29th?  Friday nights are not so good for me, but can probably swing it if i have to.
[06:56] <head_victim> Yeah I was thinking 7 ish
[07:13] <blahdeblah> Would prefer Sat to Fri
[07:15] <head_victim> Ah ok, I don't mind if people want Saturday but I can't be there. I'm trying to get people to talk about it on the list but it's just me and caryb
[07:20] <blahdeblah> Yeah - sorry i haven't been around much.   I don't use either of them unless I need something specific my regulars are out of stock in. I prefer to pay $5 more and actually get some service.
[09:09] <head_victim> I'm worried about umart and msy parallel importing as well, giving you a system with no warranty.
[09:11] <head_victim> At umart all you do is walk in, type your order into a computer, sit down and wait for your name, pay then leave. Fine for people like us who know something about computers and hopefully never need it serviced, poor for anyone short of super proficient with hardware.
[09:18] <ikt> indeed
[09:30] <head_victim> I actually prefer to shop at a bricks and mortar (who also do online and over the phone) store that I actually refer my parents to (these are the least technically literate people I know) without having to give them any special instructions.
[09:36] <ikt> I'm 50/50
[09:36] <ikt> I get a lot of my gear from pccasegear
[09:37] <ikt> and majority of brick and mortar don't sell what I want
[09:37] <ikt> same with my htc hero
[09:37] <ikt> when I first went for an android phone only the online stores were selling them
[09:37] <head_victim> I bought my motorola defy from a telstra store, I have a habit of just going for whatever is the best free one available
[09:38] <ikt> I couldn't do the same
[09:38] <ikt> I think at the time there was 1 phone available at that was iphone
[09:38] <ikt> iphone or some ancient nokia
[09:39] <head_victim> I'm still quite happy with my e51 or e65, just doesn't do web browsing like I'd like. Other than that they're perfect for me
[09:40] <ikt> phone before my htc hero was motorola razr
[09:40] <ikt> I liked it but once iphone came out :(
[09:42] <head_victim> My wife went for the iphone 4 but I just couldn't do it.
[09:44] <ikt> I had my brother and dad go for the iphone when it came out
[09:48] <head_victim> I'm waiting on some accessories to come before I set it all up, need a good case and a 32gb microsd card, should be here monday morning.
[09:59] <ikt> the great thing is that it will last a long time
[10:00] <ikt> as I'm sure cyanogenmod will be running on it after motorolla stop supporting it
[10:00] <head_victim> I'm the sort of person who probably won't root the phone.
[10:01] <head_victim> Unless there's a massively good reason to. I'm a fan of just letting things like that do their job. I don't want to have to keep fixing something I need regularly :P
[10:45] <ikt> head_victim: new features :D
[10:45] <ikt> htc said 2.1 is as good as my htc hero will get
[10:45] <ikt> and I am somewhat similar to you
[10:46] <ikt> in fact I'm using CM6 instead of CM7 because I wanted the 'stable' release so I wouldn't have to muck around with it
[10:46] <ikt> even though CM7 is considered stable
[11:10] <head_victim> ikt: supposedly motorola are going to 2.2 for the defy in the next couple of months
[11:11] <ikt> will they still provide updates for it in 2 years time?
[11:11] <head_victim> Not sure, I get a new phone every 2 years anyway. I feel like I'm not getting value for money when I'm not getting a phone free as well as my plan.
[11:11] <head_victim> That's the only reason I upgraded to the defy.
[11:12] <head_victim> If the defy goes to 2.2 and it has all the 2.2 stuff running stable I think it will be fine like that. The phone isn't massively great on hardware so much more than that would probably be pushing it.
[11:31] <airtonix> How do i make libreoffice insert my name as a field without using custom properties, the author field is blank when i insert it
[11:32] <airtonix> i've just been using custom properties so far to do that, but it seems to me that the author field should have my damn name there!
[11:32] <airtonix> :<
[11:33] <airtonix> btw ikt, halfway through last semester i got myself a Samsung Galaxy s i9000
[11:34] <airtonix> pimping thing once you put a rom with the voodoo kernel mod and a ext4 filesystem
[11:37] <head_victim> airtonix: I thought it was in the properties field in the tools tab, well that's where it always was for me in oo.o but not played too much with lo yet
[11:37] <airtonix> author control ?
[11:37] <head_victim> Doesn't it take that from the User Data window there?
[11:38] <airtonix> file > properties
[11:38] <airtonix> only has :
[11:38] <airtonix> general, description, custom props, internet, security, statistics
[11:38] <head_victim> Odd, I should really get around to using that one day
[11:39] <head_victim> Nah I was thinking tools > properties
[11:39] <airtonix> its much faster thanb ooo
[11:39] <airtonix> specially on my netbook
[11:39] <head_victim> Sorry, tools > options
[11:44] <airtonix> Looks like i'm going to start working for a small company as lead programmer in python/django and i told them i needed a workstation to get started, so they said write up a parts list
[11:44] <airtonix> http://dpaste.com/528293/
[11:46] <airtonix> i'm most likely going to end up being main IT guy, so I want to start thinking about server cabinets and appropriate switches and server cases etc
[11:46] <head_victim> airtonix: good stuff, where abouts?
[11:46] <airtonix> in adelaide
[11:46] <head_victim> Nice work.
[11:47] <airtonix> yeah they asked my university lecturer to put out a call for python/django programmers and i answered
[11:48] <airtonix> was too easy considering there is practially noone at the university that knows python/django
[11:48] <airtonix> ikt, the quality of stuff we were doing at thebarton is basically on par with first year of university.
[11:49] <ikt> nice airtonix :D
[11:49] <ikt> o rly?
[11:49] <airtonix> ikt: yeah so if you can do the stuff at thebarton and move onto tafe in the city, i wouldn't really bother going to uni unless you really want to
[11:50] <airtonix> main thing you should aim for is the cisco certification
[11:50] <ikt> all I want is a piece of paper that says: "ikt is a good bloke, give him lots of money" and then people do that
[11:50] <airtonix> yeah well depends on what you want that piece of paper to say you're good at working with
[11:50] <head_victim> ikt: I'll take one as well, I'll even pretend my name is ikt if you can't change the name.
[11:51] <airtonix> ikt: tafe and thebarton will only qualify you with windows environments
[11:52] <airtonix> ikt: where as the university at least has 50% of the stuff done in Sun Solaris with Gnome desktops
[11:53] <ikt> I'm looking to get into database stuff
[11:53] <ikt> I've heard there's big money in managing databases/backends
[11:53] <airtonix> yeah
[11:54] <airtonix> i decided along time ago that i'd just learn enough to deal with website backends
[11:54] <airtonix> it gets ugly past that if you hate maths
[11:54] <airtonix> but having said that, it's worth paying attention to Postgres
[11:55] <ikt> definitely, not sure about the future of oracle
[11:55] <airtonix> The other thing that apparently will get you some attention is knowledge with setting up virtualised server farms
[11:55] <ikt> they seem to be making more enemys than friends
[11:56] <airtonix> well yeah
[11:56] <airtonix> your other options are MySQL which is ok but not stellar
[11:56] <airtonix> or MsSQL
[11:56] <airtonix> hoho
[11:57] <airtonix> But i hear there is another called MongoDB
[11:57] <airtonix> seems to be impressing some people
[11:58] <ikt> looking it up now
[11:58] <airtonix> head_victim: have you had experience purchasing server cabinets?
[11:58] <head_victim> airtonix: I have 4 in my house
[11:58] <airtonix> thats right
[11:58] <airtonix> where did you get yours
[11:58] <head_victim> Freebies
[11:59] <head_victim> I do remember a few people talking about it on ausnog though and they had some recommendations
[11:59] <airtonix> my brief search shows they are pretty expensive
[11:59] <head_victim> Maybe check the archives?
[11:59] <head_victim> Oh yeah, they're not cheap.
[11:59] <head_victim> And they hold value as second hand
[11:59] <airtonix> sturdy things
[12:00] <head_victim> Heavy things to. Mine aren't all full depth though so that makes it slightly better
[12:00] <airtonix> wish i still had access to the metal fabrication workshop
[12:00] <head_victim> Mine are at most 800mm deep door to door.
[12:00] <airtonix> sqaure?
[12:00] <head_victim> The wall cabinet one is much shallower.
[12:01] <head_victim> Nah they're all 600 wide
[12:02] <head_victim> It is easy to lean behind me here to measure though I must admit.
[12:02] <airtonix> http://www.server-racks-australia.com.au/rack_cabinets.asp
[12:02] <head_victim> Makes storing computer type stuff so easy.
[12:02] <head_victim> Don't want too much over 43ru or it's hard to get to
[12:02] <head_victim> 42*
[12:03] <head_victim> They're bloody cheap, has to be a reason for that
[12:04] <head_victim> racktechnologies.com.au is one of the places I've seen used before at work
[12:08] <airtonix> something like this i think : http://racktechnologies.com.au/default2.asp?id=1,9,16,41
[12:08] <head_victim> Yeah I have a wall mount that is around 18ru
[12:08] <head_victim> The one with all my desktops in it
[12:09] <head_victim> Heavily modded to add a castor wheel base and collapsed a bit at the back to allow 4ru cases to poke out, a timber stand for the tv on top and 2 8port power boards fastened to the timber stand at the rear.
[12:11] <sagaci> This for storage?
[12:12] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/sets/72157623060452960/
[12:13] <head_victim> The wall mount I've modded is for the 4 desktops we have in this room
[12:14] <head_victim> The monitors are all now either 22inch 1920 x 1080 or 24 inch 1920 x 1200
[12:14] <head_victim> Consolidated the servers into 1 and now just use the bottom of the full rack as a slide out tray with 2 tool kits on it.
[12:16] <airtonix> sagaci: i'm considering something that is : lockable, can hold a variety of 19" rack mount devices (switchs, storage bays, servers) and hopefully allows for airflow extraction
[12:17] <airtonix> and enough room for the cable managers on the front of relevant devices
[12:17] <head_victim> I know a few places in Brisbane I'd try but nothing in Adelaide sorry
[12:18] <head_victim> If your new workplace has agreements in place with electrical places they're not too bad either, jr turk and the like
[12:18] <airtonix> what do you think about using high end atom cpus in servers?
[12:18] <airtonix> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/select-RACK.asp
[12:18] <head_victim> My server has a quad core 2.33
[12:19] <head_victim> Depends on what you need it to do really. If an atom is enough why not
[12:19] <airtonix> yeah would be nice to keep heat and electricity usage down
[12:19] <sagaci> File server?
[12:20] <head_victim> Depends, software raid 10 might slow on an atom, I'd like to see tests before I was comfortable.
[12:20] <airtonix> at the momen i use a 1.6ghz dual core atom 550 cpu on my home server for torrents, nfs, samba, webserver, dns, dhcp and it never goes above 10% cpu
[12:20] <airtonix> i don't use raid at the moment
[12:21] <head_victim> Yeah but depends on how many users are connected to it, in a business with 100 users using it might be a little IO different to a home server ;)
[12:21] <airtonix> yeah but i 'd also be separating key elements into separate machines
[12:21] <sagaci> Netbook as home server?
[12:21] <airtonix> no
[12:22] <head_victim> But it's possible.
[12:22] <airtonix> something like this : http://www.jetway.com.tw/pic/big/NC9C.jpg
[12:22] <airtonix> i have a 4 port sata daughter board for it so it handles 8 sata drives
[12:23] <airtonix> my variant of that motherboard also has 2 gigabit lan ports
[12:23] <airtonix> and i made a custom fan cooler to strap onto the heatsink
[12:23] <sagaci> Running ubuntu server?
[12:24] <airtonix> well not server, but all the relevant server daemons
[12:24] <head_victim> I still put a gnome desktop over my server, I only boot into it when I want to use the spare cpu cycles for transcoding media or something
[12:25] <airtonix> yeah it's useful for ssh x forwarding
[12:25] <airtonix> but i usually just use ssh > byobu
[12:25] <head_victim> I'm thinking of setting up a dircproxy like blahdeblah did so I can use it better on my phone, but I've got to see how that's going to work first
[12:26] <sagaci> Did you get the defy?
[12:27] <head_victim> Yeah, will set it up this week sometime, I have a 32gb sd card and a case in the mail
[12:27] <sagaci> Ah ok
[12:28] <head_victim> It's going to take a bit of time as I want to bugger around and see if I can get the syncML stuff working or not
[12:29] <airtonix> ohhh
[12:29] <airtonix> syncML, the android phone has some sync feature with that
[12:30] <head_victim> I cbf with a whole funambol server I'll just be happy to get it to go to evolution like my nokia has done for the last 5 years
[12:30] <airtonix> private version of all the sync stuff everyone usually uses
[12:30] <sagaci> head_victim, did you say you used evolution or thunderbird for email?
[12:30] <head_victim> Currently I sync contacts and calendar over BT to my PC
[12:30] <head_victim> sagaci: I use evolution for contacts and calendars, I use gmail web for email.
[12:50] <head_victim> airtonix: nice idea about the rack atom though, definitely worth looking into for myself
[12:56] <airtonix> yeah, you can get miniitx boards for lga1155 and lga1156 socket cpus
[12:57] <airtonix> i'm not exatly sure what the power savings would be there, since in my brief research it's the atom cpu and ion gpu that do most of the power saving
[12:58] <head_victim> Nah I mean for the desktops I want, I already have my desktops in a rack
[12:58] <airtonix> might take up less room and generate less noise
[12:58] <head_victim> Yep
[12:58] <airtonix> the noisiest thing in my "server cabinet" is the air extraction system
[12:59] <head_victim> Mine is the 24 port netgear switch
[12:59] <airtonix> yeah the switches we used at thebarton were old cisco switches... pretty noisy
[12:59] <airtonix> they didn't give a toss what kind of fans they used when they were built i spose
[13:00] <head_victim> Unfortunately reasonable quality ones are designed for server rooms and who cares how loud they are as long as they do the job right
[13:00] <airtonix> they assume your room will be sound / temp proof anyway
[13:01] <head_victim> Yeah, unfortunately my study isn't even air conned atm
[14:54] <airtonix> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=558_1087&products_id=16782
[14:54] <airtonix> the only monitor i can find that is able to do 1920x1080 with hdmi output and
[14:54] <airtonix> it can't do vesa mount
[14:54] <airtonix> :<
[14:56] <head_victim> hdmi>dvi is easy though?
[14:57] <head_victim> Same signal different plugs, hdmi/dvi>vga is not so easy.
[14:58] <airtonix> yeah i guess
[14:59] <bwright> Hi
[14:59] <head_victim> Gday bw
[14:59] <head_victim> bwright: tab fail
[14:59] <bwright> Tab fail ^_^
[14:59] <head_victim> airtonix: I have dvi only on all monitors and video cards, pain in the rear end paying for a 4 port dvi kvm though
[14:59] <airtonix> i just use synergy
[15:00] <head_victim> As do I, but I need a KVM for full screen gaming
[15:00] <head_victim> The gaming machine is the client so whenever I go to full screen the mouse goes scrambled
[15:00] <airtonix> you have to press scroll lock
[15:00] <head_victim> Yeah it locks it on the screen but still makes it uncontrollable
[15:00] <airtonix> converts movements to relative instead of absolute
[15:01] <airtonix> it's not perfect though since there is alot more latency thant direct connection
[15:02] <head_victim> Still buggers up for me though even if it's locked to the screen
[15:02] <head_victim> Can't control it at all
[15:03] <bwright> I wish I could game on my Ubuntu box again, will have to get that graphics card fixed.
[15:03] <head_victim> Maybe I should play it windowed.
[15:03] <head_victim> I could still play 1900 x 1100 or something
[15:03] <airtonix> what game is it
[15:04] <head_victim> Urban Terror
[15:04] <airtonix> isn't that available on linux?
[15:04] <airtonix> it's just a mod for quake3 after all
[15:04] <head_victim> Yes, I have 2 UBuntu machines, one for irc, web browsing , etc, the other for gaming and VMs and HDTV, etc
[15:05] <airtonix> the only reduction in performance i notice when gaming through synergy to my desktop is the mouse lag.
[15:06] <airtonix> it's not even really lag
[15:06] <head_victim> Yeah I should set it up windowed and see if that helps I guess.
[15:06] <head_victim> It would be fine if it was on the server machine but it's on a client machine
[15:17] <bwright> Heh my main pc has an uptime of 27 days.
[15:18] <head_victim> My usual downtime is when a storm takes out power
[15:20] <head_victim> Rebooting is for kernel updates and hardware changes :)
[15:21] <bwright> Exactly.
[15:23] <head_victim> Well with the experiences of the last 6 months I'd have to add hardware failures to that list, which eventually results in hardware changes I guess.
[15:26] <bwright> Same
[15:26] <bwright> I have had hardware fail, motherboard died :(
[15:27] <head_victim> Well I have to go to bed, need to be awake again in 4 hours, cheerio
[15:28] <bwright> Same
[15:28] <bwright> Cya
[15:29] <bwright> (Well 8 hours but still ^_^ sleep is nice)


[12:41] <mpigulla> hi! probably a noob question: once my package has been successfully built, how long does it take until "apt-get update" will get a new package list containing it?
[12:43] <cjwatson> mpigulla: Varies depending on how much the publishing system is doing, but in most cases it should be less than half an hour.
[12:44] <mpigulla> ok, thanks. so if the build passed, all it takes is patience :-)
[12:44] <cjwatson> Should be.
[12:45] <cjwatson> You can see the publishing status on the +packages page for the relevant PPA (if there's a green tick against the source upload, then everything based on it is built and published)


[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[16:54] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - I have a 3h drive ahead of me :)
[16:54] <dholbach> see you guys tomorrow!
[16:54] <pleia2> have a good evening, dholbach
[16:54] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day and enjoy the celebrations :)
[16:54] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:54] <dholbach> hugs!
[20:46] <bkerensa> Happy Thanksgiving :)
[21:13] <daker> bkerensa: to you too :)