[08:58] <mpt> #uds-desktop for the UDS desktop track. Schedule, and Voip and Icecast links, at <http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/volga.html>.
[13:35] <asac> seb128: there? could you sync wpasupplicant from debian to ubuntu/intrepid?
[13:35] <seb128> asac: ok
[13:35] <asac> thanks
[13:35] <seb128> np


[01:12] <LaserJock> mpt: you around?
[02:11] <mpt> LaserJock, yo
[02:12] <LaserJock> mpt: I've been thinking about your thread on the Help System
[02:12] <LaserJock> perhaps the doc team needs to clarify it's purpose and scope
[02:13] <LaserJock> and also maybe come up with a list of topics we want to see
[02:13] <LaserJock> I'm wondering if it's a free-for-all we end up with documentation on just the things the writers were interested in
[02:14] <LaserJock> like how developers tend to keep the packages they like in better shape :-)
[02:14] <mpt> LaserJock, I was hoping that by now we'd be getting lists of search.ubuntu.com search queries people were doing, and be able to add/restructure help to answer those
[02:14] <mpt> but I guess it'll be a while before that happens
[02:16] <LaserJock> yes, I guess I would really like to see some sort of study done
[02:16] <LaserJock> or at least a decent survey or something
[02:16] <LaserJock> for one I'd like to know how much people use the system help
[02:17] <LaserJock> and the times they do, what are the looking for
[02:17] <mpt> yes
[02:17] <LaserJock> I suppose your search.ubuntu.com would address those?
[02:17] <mpt> well, not really
[02:18] <LaserJock> mmm
[02:18] <mpt> unless we also had a reliable count of the number of Ubuntu users
[02:18] <mpt> because that would be the denominator in the equation
[02:18] <LaserJock> well, I'd think even ball-park would work
[02:18] <LaserJock> mpt: does it know what IP made the request?
[02:19] <LaserJock> so that we can know if it's a few people that search a lot or a lot of people that search a little?
[02:19] <mpt> In theory it could, sure
[02:19] <mpt> just like any other Web site
[02:19] <mpt> Are you running Gutsy?
[02:22] <LaserJock> mpt: I am at home
[02:23] <nixternal> so am I
[02:23] <LaserJock> nixternal: do you have yelp?
[02:23] <nixternal> umm, I do, but the system that has vbox is currently in my lap torn apart
[02:24] <LaserJock> I just wondered
[02:24] <LaserJock> we got a new upstream yelp like yesterday
[02:24] <LaserJock> and it looks to me like all the frontpage work got wiped out
[02:25] <mpt> LaserJock, when you click the "Repeat the search" link at the bottom of search results, what URL do you get?
[02:25] <mpt> (disregarding that the URL doesn't load)
[02:29] <LaserJock> well, it's segfaulting right now
[02:29] <LaserJock> so I can't test right now
[02:35] <mpt> heh, ok
[02:37] <LaserJock> I can try it again when I get home
[02:38] <LaserJock> but at least over ssh it just segfaults after it can't find any documentation
[04:16] <LaserJock> mpt: home now
[04:17] <LaserJock> mpt: and joy of joys, yelp crashes if you search
[04:21] <mpt> w00t
[04:22] <mpt> LaserJock, does it fare any better if you temporarily uninstall Tracker?
[04:22] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure
[04:27] <LaserJock> mpt: no, that didn't seem to do anything
[04:28] <LaserJock> mpt: I was thinking it was something to do with scrollkeeper being removed, but I'm not sure how that would affect the search
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #131045 in ubuntu-doc "Change computer name page refers to Networking" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131045
[09:32] <CryptoMole> hello
[09:33] <CryptoMole> im george i recently joined the docs project
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131076 in kubuntu-docs (main) ""Flash is not installed" at the end of the "Installing flash" -guide (Kubuntu docs)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131076
[11:34] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4215 ubuntu/administrative/C/administrative.xml: Changed structure and updated content
[11:40] <jjesse> oh i thought doc.ubuntu was down
[11:51] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4216 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Applying mpt's patch, with some minor changes
[12:14] <nixternal> jjesse: it is all back up now


[00:06] <Na_Klar> is there a lubuntu-server version?
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> Na_Klar: Not that I'm aware of, should there be?
[00:07] <Na_Klar> Hm .. servers like to be lightwigthed ;-)
[00:08] <Na_Klar> *lightwighted
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> Na_Klar: There wouldn't be a need for a LXDE server ;)
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> Servers don't have a gui afaik
[00:09] <Na_Klar> that point of view is not very recent
[00:09] <Na_Klar> rdesktop is a powerful way to manage servesr
[00:10] <MrChrisDruif> rdesktop?
[00:10] <Na_Klar> is lubuntu just about the gui to assure lightness? .. i expected also the architecture is minimized
[00:10] <gnewb> How do I assign macros or keysets , like Alt+Super will start program xyz, Super+T will launch program wxy and so on?
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> gnewb: I've seen your nick before, how's it going? :)
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> Can't help you, still on gnome
[00:11] <gnewb> MrChrisDruif: Is all good here, Thank you, how have you been?
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> Na_Klar: Afaik the lightness is gui only
[00:12] <MrChrisDruif> gnewb: Busy.....mind wasn't functioning as normal......going through some stuff...
[00:12] <Na_Klar> oh .. shame on me ^^ .. I was too fast understanding lubuntu concept .. appearently :P
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> Na_Klar: Afaik they didn't make some special kernel mode or something....so gui only afaik :)
[00:14] <MrChrisDruif> But I think if you ask gilir when he's around (head dev) he can explain everything you could only want to know....and then some
[00:14] <Na_Klar> well .. it is a pity .. one somehow should mix arch-linux with lxde xD
[00:14] <MrChrisDruif> pacman -Syyu lxde ??
[00:15] <gnewb> Lubuntu uses the X11 environment it is built on the energy saving Ubuntu variant using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment.
[00:15] <MrChrisDruif> Na_Klar: Arch got some awesome documentation.....it should guide you through the process of installing lxde
[00:16] <Na_Klar> yea, i will have a look. ty so far
[00:18] <Unit193> gnewb: edit this file: ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[00:18] <gnewb> Unit193: Thank you.
[00:19] <Unit193> I like the xkill one :)
[00:20] <gnewb> Unit193: I keep forgetting about the Openbox conf
[00:20] <Unit193> gnewb: Tell me if you find anything fun in there ;)
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't it ALL fun in there Unit193?
[00:21] <gnewb> Unit183: I always find fun stuff in Conky or any .conf
[00:57] <seal> hi everyone i'm new but I have successfullt intsalled lubuntu plus xp before. I just installed same thing dual boot lubuntu 10.10 next to xp sp3 on my laptop. The problem - I cannot boot xp up again
[00:57] <seal> Please help
[01:00] <seal> Anyone here that can help ;)
[01:04] <Na_Klar> seal, well wenn both installations are native it is more a windows problem. what error do you get?
[01:04] <seal> I do not get an erro - it just goes straith to grub menu
[01:05] <seal> but win pro does not show up at the bottolist
[01:05] <Na_Klar> seal, that does not sound good. Check your filesystem if you can find windows at all
[01:07] <seal> @Na_Klar I found all the files and I have tried to re-install windows but this to no avail
[01:07] <meetingology> seal: Error: "Na_Klar" is not a valid command.
[01:07] <Na_Klar> lol
[01:07] <seal> by bad
[01:08] <Na_Klar> well, did you use different partitions for the two installations?
[01:08] <seal> its painful - I shrinked the windows partition
[01:10] <seal> actually the partitions were already there since I had a previous lubuntu there
[01:10] <seal> but I re-installed lubuntu
[01:23] <seal> i'm out
[07:31] <ubuntu__> morning
[07:32] <ubuntu__> trying out LUBUNTU and chrome doesnt have the flash plug in...how can i install this
[07:32] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:32] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-resctricted-extras
[07:33] <ubuntu__> ? sorry newbie here
[07:34] <ubuntu__> hello?
[07:34] <bioterror> open terminal
[07:34] <bioterror> and and put those commands in there
[07:34] <bioterror> !terminal | ubuntu__
[07:37] <ubuntu__> unable to locate package...i guess i have to install it before hand...thanks...trying out the live cd
[07:38] <bioterror> oh
[07:38] <bioterror> livecd's are like that, so limited :D
[07:38] <bioterror> you must do first "sudo apt-get update" to load the repositories
[07:38] <bioterror> then you can install those
[07:38] <ubuntu__> ohh ok....thats straight fr ubuntu right?
[07:39] <ubuntu__> thinking if i should install mint 10 or lubuntu
[07:39] <bioterror> lubuntu
[07:39] <bioterror> you can update it without a problems :D
[07:40] <bioterror> I had mint and the update process if mostly "re-install!"
[07:41] <ubuntu__> yikes
[07:41] <bioterror> is mostly even
[07:44] <ubuntu__> what is ur take on moon os and ylmf...gonna try it this weekend
[07:45] <ubuntu__> sooooooooo quiet in here :)
[07:48] <ubuntu__> ill try lubuntu install this weekend too...thanks bio
[07:49] <Unit193> I don't think ylmf is updated that much, seemed kinda buggy and doesn't look as much like XP as the screens on their site
[07:49] <ubuntu__> yup...i tried the live cd ...yikes
[07:49] <ubuntu__> moon os live cd was ok...not familiar with the settings but it was ok
[07:50] <ubuntu__> like the close tab is in the left hand side...duh
[07:50] <Unit193> MoonOS I may be testing in my VM (supposed to be very lightweight)
[07:50] <ubuntu__> is there any requirement to install vm?
[07:51] <bioterror> yet another ubuntu based distro
[07:52] <Unit193> bioterror: yep, this one has E17 as one of the "Editions"
[07:52] <bioterror> I tried it year ago or something, I wasnt that impressed
[07:52] <Unit193> As long as you're fine with betas Bodhi
[07:53] <Unit193> bioterror: Not any faster?
[07:53] <bioterror> anything can be fast if you compare to KDE or Gnome with all ding-a-lings
[07:53] <Unit193> Might be fun to crack a few mooning jokes...
[07:54] <ubuntu__> ( /\ )
[07:56] <ubuntu__> any other distro that you guys recommend to try?
[07:56] <bioterror> I think world is too full with all these remixes and derivatives
[07:56] <bioterror> I suggest to use Lubuntu if you want something minimalistic and you want it to work right out of box
[07:57] <Unit193> ubuntu__: Are you looking for small?
[07:57] <Unit193> lightweight?
[07:57] <ubuntu__> well.....more light weight and lubuntu is very good
[07:58] <ubuntu__> just installing some repositories and running them im not familiar
[07:58] <Unit193> ubuntu__: Depending on how well you can handle config files, crunchbang
[07:58] <bioterror> I'm running as my main computer (desktop) Arch Linux with Window Maker-CRM
[07:59] <bioterror> Unit193, not that huge different between lubuntu and some stuff with just plain openbox
[07:59] <bioterror> we talk about few megs of RAM
[07:59] <ubuntu__> bout 1 gb
[07:59] <Unit193> bioterror: I like Debian/Ubuntu based, never did anything with Arch...
[08:00] <bioterror> Unit193, I'm a *BSD-person from the deep ;)
[08:00] <ubuntu__> lol
[08:00] <ubuntu__> they just released a new version i think....bsd
[08:01] <ubuntu__> gonna check out arch too hehe
[08:01] <bioterror> dont bother if you're not familiar with command line
[08:02] <bioterror> and distro hopping is not really helping you out that much
[08:03] <ubuntu__> true....just want to see whats going to be my new os.
[08:04] <Unit193> Running irssi in screen (and a bunch and others)
[08:08] <ubuntu__> nites....gonna try some more distro and make a final decision...ill go distro hopping till i find what i like...nothing wrong with that right bio?
[08:10] <Unit193> ubuntu__: http://www.tuxs.org/chooser/ http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
[08:10] <Unit193> ^fun to play with...
[08:10] <ubuntu__> merci
[10:52] <gnewb> How do I make a persistent USB and where can I find the .ISO at?
[10:53] <wolfpack> gnewb: Which release are you looking for?
[10:53] <wolfpack> 10.10 or 11.04 aplha 2?
[10:53] <gnewb> wolfpack: The 10.04 or the Debian 6.0
[10:55] <gnewb> wolfpack: I am still hacking the system a bit to get a lighter output from the PSU among other things.
[11:07] <gnewb> I currently have it booting on an older Itronix and an older AMD that I run on a 12v setup on my boat, ultimate goal is to have a Light System that uses little power.
[11:12] <silverlightning> hi
[11:13] <wolfpack> hi silverlightning , There  seems to be some connection problem .It keeps on disconnecting agian and agian :(
[11:26] <silverlightning> yes it does
[11:26] <silverlightning> I'm not shore why
[15:46] <NRWlion> hey guys
[17:26] <joris> I am trying to install lubuntu in a virtualbox but I cannot get it working. The install cd just doesn't start. It must be a lubuntu issue because Ubuntu starts fine. Any ideas?
[17:50] <rtdos> why can't i change the login screen in lubuntu?
[20:24] <skrite> hey all, is there a 64-bit version of lubuntu?
[20:25] <bioterror> not yet, but jmarsden|work is working on it, as his nick tells us
[20:25] <bioterror> skrite, you have to use minimal installation or other ubuntu version that's 64bit, and install from there
[20:26] <bioterror> I would go with the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:26] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: the |work means "real work" not "Lubuntu work" :)
[20:26] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, I've seen how you do lubuntu stuff on your work time!
[20:26] <jmarsden|work> However, I did create my first 64bit Lubuntu ISO last night...
[20:26] <skrite> bioterror, very well, thanks
[20:27] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: It is lunchtime right now :)
[20:27] <bioterror> skrite, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[20:27] <skrite> much easier, thnks bioterror
[20:28] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, I've configured xorg.conf with specified resolution with some new comers on my work time, as mostly I dont have anything to do :D
[20:28] <skrite> great distro you guys have here, by the way. Really liking it.
[20:28] <bioterror> I needed 4 mugs of coffee for that
[20:28] <bioterror> skrite, nice hear that you're enjoying Lubuntu
[20:30] <skrite> yeah, i find it very smart. I install a light  distro then go through setting up everything the way i like, but lubuntu requires very little change to already be that. a different background, some tweaks to the menu, sometimes a different gtk theme, but thats about it
[20:31] <bioterror> and then you configure chromium to open only into a workspace 2 and and and :D
[20:33] <jmarsden|work> skrite: We are making some menu changes for 11.04 ... if you think the current 10.10 Lubuntu menus could be improved, file a bug report with specifically what needs changing, and we'll look into your ideas.  See bug #650432
[20:33] <skrite> jmarsden, great, will do
[20:46]  * Unit193 still thinks lxterminal is a System Tool...
[20:49] <bioterror> I think it's a application that's needed for anything
[20:50] <bioterror> if you use it for apt-get only, maybe it's a system tool then
[20:50] <bioterror> if you use it for reading stuff, editing stuff, for emails, conversations, ftp, scp,
[20:50] <bioterror> it's more than a system tool
[20:51] <bioterror> I even play music in terminal
[20:55] <bioterror> what a shame that finch sucks ;)
[21:14] <Unit193> bioterror: I only had issues with it crashing...
[21:15] <Unit193> I do way more in terminal...
[21:15] <Unit193> *then just apt-get
[21:15] <bioterror> than ;)
[21:16] <bioterror> sorry, that's only word I tend to correct
[21:20] <jmarsden|work> Unit193: If you do anything in the terminal that does not start with sudo, then you are doing something that is not system-wide... so the terminal is not just a System Tool for you.
[21:21] <Unit193> jmarsden|work: Very true... Did you pick where to put it?
[21:22] <Unit193> bioterror: Correction is normally good
[21:22] <bioterror> Accessories
[21:23] <jmarsden|work> Unit193: No, I did make a change to the menus for 11.04 so that some system-wide tools move out of Preferences and up into System, though.
[21:23] <jmarsden|work> Accessories seems to the the "Ubuntu-standard" place for Terminal, so to me it makes sense to leave it there in Lubuntu.
[21:23] <Unit193> bioterror: I know where it is, it just feels funny in Accessories
[21:24] <jmarsden|work> Unit193: Why does it feel funny?  It is in Accessories in Ubuntu and (I think) Kubuntu and Xubuntu also...
[21:26] <Unit193> jmarsden|work: I guess because the terminal has a ton of power...
[21:26] <NRWlion> hey bioterror need help installing libre office
[21:26] <NRWlion> are u available?
[21:26] <bioterror> NRWlion, use the ppa
[21:27] <NRWlion> link would be kind :D
[21:27] <bioterror> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/install-libreoffice-ppa-ubuntu/
[21:27] <bioterror> sorry
[21:27] <NRWlion> that link made my firefox go crashing :D
[21:27] <bioterror> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/libreoffice-3-3-released/ this is current
[21:30] <jmarsden|work> Guys, can we please try not to point people to unofficial resources like omgubuntu when helping out... point to ubuntu.com resources first and foremost.  So https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[21:30] <bioterror> second url gave correct parameters
[21:31] <NRWlion> withone is now active?
[21:31] <bioterror> and I'm in the lazymode as I'm figuring out my own things
[21:33] <frenkic> plesa help, how to add SKK keyboard layer in LXDE ?
[21:33] <bioterror> skk?
[21:33] <frenkic> yes slovak and other
[21:33] <bioterror> slovakia
[21:34] <bioterror> just a moment
[21:34] <bioterror> you can change it with command "setxkbmap sk"
[21:35] <bioterror> I'm trying to remember a permanent configuration
[21:36] <frenkic> bioterror thanks it correct
[21:37] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: I think    sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data  # is how to reconfigure the keyboard permanently?  Have not tried this in Lubuntu though.
[21:38] <jmarsden|work> make that:    sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[21:38] <bioterror> why, things have to change all the time
[21:38] <bioterror> why oh why
[21:38] <bioterror> and different distros does it in a different way
[21:39] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, /etc/default/console-setup
[21:39] <bioterror> there's a line XKBLAYOUT="fi
[21:39] <bioterror> "
[21:39] <jmarsden|work> Yes, but don't hack it directly!
[21:39] <bioterror> it doesnt matter ;)
[21:39] <frenkic> I did not want it permanently, I like us but sometimes need a keybord sk
[21:40] <bioterror> in natty there's /etc/default/keyboard
[21:40] <jmarsden|work> It does when you are teaching others how to do things.  Teach the "Debian/Ubuntu way".
[21:40] <NRWlion> i call it for the day :(
[21:40] <jmarsden|work> And I suspect that change of config filename will not matter if you use dpkg-reconfigure :)
[21:40] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, running config just rewrites the file
[21:40] <jmarsden|work> Indeed.
[21:40] <NRWlion> installing from apt-get is to much for me now :(
[21:41] <jmarsden|work> NRWlion: sudo apt-get install libreoffice    # is too much??? :)
[21:41] <bioterror> hahaha
[21:41] <bioterror> wish I could send nrwlion back to 90's and try Red Hat without yum
[21:42] <bioterror> installing dependencies file by file manually
[21:43] <bioterror> and performing searches for exact deps at different ftp search sites
[21:43] <NRWlion> bioterror, in the 90s i had different things in mind than sitting in front of a computer and reading LInux books at the same time :D
[21:44] <bioterror> yeah, you played PSX :D
[21:44]  * jmarsden|work created once custom distros based on RedHat 5.x/6.x ... and was even paid to do so :)
[21:44] <NRWlion> jmarsden, your command is invalid :(
[21:45] <jmarsden|work> sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME    # is definitely a valid command.
[21:46] <jmarsden|work> NRWlion: Be specific... do not say "is invalid", say "produced *THIS* error message: foozle bar bang
[21:46] <jmarsden|work> Then I might know what happened, and be able to help.
[21:46] <NRWlion> i was just trying to specify
[21:47] <NRWlion> ;)
[21:47] <NRWlion> i know that "is invalid" is not specific
[21:47] <bioterror> rememer to "apt-get update"
[21:47] <NRWlion> jmarsden|work, Error Message says "Package libreoffice could not be found"
[21:48] <jmarsden|work> OK, so the command was valid, it just could not find that package.
[21:48] <bioterror> NRWlion, did you update your repository list?
[21:48] <jmarsden|work> So did you add the PPA and do   sudo apt-get update    first  ?
[21:48] <NRWlion> guys one after another
[21:49] <NRWlion> bioterror, nope because of non existing knowledge about terminal
[21:49] <NRWlion> jmarsden|work, no
[21:49] <bioterror> maybe you should ;)
[21:49] <NRWlion> same reason
[21:50] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[21:50] <jmarsden|work> NRWlion: I gace you a link to https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa earlier.
[21:50] <jmarsden|work> Go there.
[21:50] <jmarsden|work> Read the part about "Adding this PPA" and do what it says.
[21:51] <jmarsden|work> there are exactly 3 steps.
[21:52] <jmarsden|work> When you have done all 3 of them, run my suggested command    sudo apt-get install libreoffice      # and it will work.
[21:53] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, red hat 6.0 got that nice and cool init with bright green [ok] :D
[21:53] <bioterror> it was so coool!
[21:53] <jmarsden|work> Sounds right :)
[21:59] <bioterror> feels like I'm hitting my head against the wall
[22:00] <bioterror> why libpurple0 wants gstreamer and gtk stuff
[22:00] <bioterror> I dont need them
[22:00] <szczur> trying to install finch? :P
[22:00] <bioterror> szczur, yep
[22:01] <bioterror> I once managed to do it
[22:01] <bioterror> with just few deps
[22:02] <bioterror> but as I have a hole in my head, I cant recall what I did
[22:03] <szczur> it tries to do it even with --no-install-recommends?
[22:04] <szczur> hmm, stupid assumption. you may be running slackware :)
[22:04] <jmarsden|work> sudo apt-get install finch --no-install-recommends  # should work fine
[22:05] <bioterror> no it doesnt :D
[22:05] <bioterror> should I make a screenshot? :D
[22:05] <jmarsden|work> pastebin the text outout somewhere.
[22:05] <jmarsden|work> s/outout/output/
[22:06] <jmarsden|work> It worked here for me...
[22:06] <bioterror> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572371/
[22:06] <bioterror> :D
[22:07] <jmarsden|work> Um... that's a lot of extra stuff!
[22:07] <jmarsden|work> Areyou running Lubuntu 10.10, or 11.04 alpha 2 ?
[22:07] <bioterror> squeeze :D
[22:08] <jmarsden|work> Then go ask for help in #debian
[22:08] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, the reason why you're not getting that much stuff is: you're having pidgin
[22:10]  * jmarsden|work refuses, as a matter of principle, to do Debian support in an Lubuntu support channel.
[23:32] <rtdos> why can't i change the login screen in lubuntu?
[23:43] <Ak1ra> i have a machine running lubuntu... the only applications really called are oowriter oocalc firefox pcmanfm exaile and gnome-mplayer... and  i tend to notice pretty severe slow-downs when the computer is left on for several days in a row... anyone experiencing anythign similar?
[23:43] <Ak1ra> my gentoo machines can run for months with no problem :-/