[00:41] <JontheEchidna> Could I get a peer review on this? http://pastebin.com/DjNjCBxj
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> As long as we add the following to nepomukserverrc in k-d-s:
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> [Service-nepomukstrigiservice]
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> First start=true
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> That patch will disable strigi indexing on computers with less than 1 GB ram
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to change the ">" sign to a "<" sign in the pastebin :)
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> all in all, should save ~60MB of RAM on sub-1GB RAM systems
[01:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How about 1GB or less.  That'd catch most netbooks and I think that's a good thing.
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> sounds good
[02:35] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt
[02:44] <nigelb> nixternal: nice ;)
[03:45] <rob____> Anyone know how I can restart Plasma as part of a DEB post-install step? I'm writing a Plasmoid that interacts with D-Bus and it's not working until I restart the desktop.
[06:50] <bince> does anyone know how to use petiboot to install kubuntu
[06:51] <bince> i am trying it to install it on ps3 i downloaded kubuntu alternate 9.1 powerpc edition
[07:00] <bince_> anyone knows hw to install linux on ps3
[08:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is it just me or does knh just like unk not report apport stuff  at the time of crash?
[08:42] <apachelogger> I only get reports on login
[09:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: any reasons why I shouldn't upgrade to beta?
[09:32] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I would first run the live cd to ensure that graphics works :)
[09:32] <apachelogger> but other htan that I dont see why not
[09:34] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what known problems are there with graphics?
[09:35] <apachelogger> I am not up to date
[09:35] <apachelogger> but I have heared the nvidia stuff is causing problems
[09:35] <apachelogger> the free driver anyway
[09:35] <Mamarok> I have ATI, and the Radeon drivers work here in Karmic
[09:35] <apachelogger> well, then you should be good
[09:36] <Mamarok> OK, reinstalling my system then
[09:37] <Sput> can't you just upgrade, Mamarok?
[09:39] <Mamarok> Sput: I want to get rid of the encryption, so reinstall it will be, since I encrypted the FS
[09:40] <Mamarok> and I want to get rid of the Windows partioton, too, since I never use them anyway
[09:40] <Sput> Mamarok: any particular reason to unencrpyt? too slow?
[09:40] <Mamarok> yep, utterly slow
[09:43] <Sput> ok, so I'll stick with my decision to not do full-disk encryption
[09:45] <Mamarok> yeah, I will not repeat that, nor would I encrypt a /home/usr folder neither
[09:47] <Mamarok> having a race horse and slowing it down is not exactly a good idea
[09:52] <apachelogger> well
[09:52] <apachelogger> most hardware implementations of encryption already come with a considerable overhead
[09:53] <apachelogger> no wonder a pure software implementation slows down that much :)
[10:58] <apachelogger> aptcc++
[10:58] <apachelogger> works pretty nicely :)
[11:47] <apachelogger> this new dr konqi is rather awesome
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i love it too :D
[11:49] <Tm_T> new?
[11:50] <apachelogger> well, I used it for the first time in years :P
[11:50] <apachelogger> much better HCI
[11:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol :D
[11:50] <apachelogger> talking about HCI, I should get ready for a meeting
[11:55]  * shadeslayer wonders why mischasworld_ has 2 nicks here
[11:56] <Tm_T> he likes us that much?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I can get it to report crashes as they happen, sometimes. It doesn't get every one though
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> perhaps some kdirwatch unreliability
[12:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I have found cases where apport won't be able to make a report without being root
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> e.g. when the kernel fails to install or a daemon running as root crashes
[13:50] <robinp> I just installed the beta from the amd64 dvd, however I have no kicker by default - how do I get it back & is this a known bug (I couldn't see it specifically listed in the known bugs)
[14:00] <shadeslayer> robinp: hmm... did it work on the live cd?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> robinp: oh and you mean the K in the taskbar? just go to add widgets and add the Application launcher
[14:02] <robinp> im not sure if it worked on the live cd - i didn't look too closely - just double clicked the 'install kubuntu' icon
[14:02] <freeflying> I switched back to mutt eventually
[14:03] <shadeslayer> robinp: hehe... well if you still have the DVD lying around can you check it afterwards and report a bug?
[14:03] <robinp> shadeslayer: and i mean the whole bar is missing - not just the kde menu!
[14:03] <shadeslayer> robinp: :o
[14:03] <shadeslayer> robinp: ok well just add the panel by right click on the dekstop and add panel
[14:04] <robinp> shadeslayer: ok - i was kinda hoping there was some way where I didn't have to build the whole thing  from scratch
[14:05] <shadeslayer> robinp: hmm that can be done too
[14:05] <shadeslayer> robinp: but youll lose your KDE customizations if any
[14:06] <shadeslayer> robinp: just do : rm -rf .kde :
[14:07] <robinp> shadeslayer: nah its a clean install
[14:08] <shadeslayer> robinp: ok well just login to a tty and run that command and then login to kde
[14:08] <shadeslayer> robinp: dont run it while your in kde
[14:08] <robinp> shadeslayer: rm -rf .kde then logging out then in fixed it
[14:09] <shadeslayer> robinp: ah well that should do it too,but i was just being cautious :)
[14:10] <robinp> shadeslayer: so im gussing the default .kde folder may have issues - ill retry the ubuntu live dvd
[14:12] <shadeslayer> robinp: please do and file a bug against the kdebase package via ubuntu-bug kdebase-data-kde4
[14:16] <robinp> shadeslayer: yeah - its missing from the livecd (dvd in this case) session as well
[14:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:17] <shadeslayer> robinp: please paste the bug number/link here :)
[14:17] <robinp> shadeslayer: kk - just doing it up now
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> bug 540810
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> robinp: ^
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> looks like an update is on the way
[14:21] <robinp> JontheEchidna: ok that saves me from typing! thanks :)
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I assume that's what you pinged about? ;)
[14:21] <robinp> mine is pretty much the same except im using vmware :)
[14:21] <shadeslayer> robinp: yep :)
[14:22] <shadeslayer> robinp: so youre setting up lucid in vmware?
[14:22]  * shadeslayer thinks vmware is like a cage for lucid..
[14:22] <shadeslayer> i let these beasties take over my PC :D
[14:23] <robinp> shadeslayer: yeah - its on my macbook so I can have something to do while flying overseas :)
[14:24] <shadeslayer> robinp: lol
[14:25] <robinp> shadeslayer: thanks for the help - hope i didn't alarm you too much :)
[14:26] <shadeslayer> robinp: whut? no im absolutely free today!
[14:26] <jussi01> hrm, Im not sure I want to reboot atm
[14:26] <shadeslayer> had my last exam yesterday...
[14:26]  * shadeslayer pulls jussi01's power supply
[14:26] <jussi01> I cant start konsole, but the first time it gave me an error that it couldnt start bash...
[14:27] <shadeslayer> jussi01: do you have bash installed?
[14:27] <jussi01> shadeslayer: ...
[14:27] <shadeslayer> jussi01: jk
[14:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oh btw is it possible to set all channels in kmix as high for the default install?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> not from kmix, I don't think.
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> that stuff's probably controlled by alsa
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: any insight^?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: im saying this because its a usability bug,by default the sound is so low that you cant hear anything
[14:36] <shadeslayer> and in order to increase the sound you have to select all the channels and then set everything to high
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that can be a pain sometimes. But KMix is really just a frontend for the alsa mixer system, so I don't think there's much we can do about it fron KDE
[14:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: While you're working on kde4libs for 321281, could you also take care of Bug #540944.  It looks like there's an upstream fix that is worth considering for backporting.
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure. Right now I'm making strigi be a little more quiet about its notifications
[14:41] <ScottK> I'm definitely in favor of that.
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Here's my plan
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> make strigi shut up about everything except suspending for low disk space
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> then make the tray icon passive (hidden by default) so that concerned users can still check its progress
[14:42] <ScottK> Sounds about right.
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> but never have the tray icon jump to active, since it does this entirely too much when nobody really cares
[14:43] <ScottK> Good.
[14:48] <nixternal> mornin' kubuntu!
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> moin
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: mind if I bug ya about UI freeze stuff? An ack for bug 543463 would be nice
[15:05] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: looking now...I am at the Desktop Help Summit, and we were just talking about Ubuntu breaking UI freeze w/o doing exceptions or telling the documentation team...they asked me about Kubuntu and I told them we rock, then seriously, 2 minutes later you proved my point :)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> :D
[15:06] <nixternal> ACK'd :)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> aha! : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/543461
[15:07] <shadeslayer> i have exactly the same issue!
[15:07] <shadeslayer> but! i think this is more of a driver issue than a kcm touchpad issue
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> well, laptop manufactuers have been known to put webcams in upside down. wouldn't suprise me if the drivers were buggy
[15:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: webcams?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah. my laptop has its webcam mounted upside down
[15:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: the bug is about touchpads :)
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> I know
[15:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and thats just wtf
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> But if laptop manufactuers can screw that up, I wouldn't be suprised about crappy touchpads
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ohhh...
[15:10]  * shadeslayer wonders how JontheEchidna looks while he does VoiP
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> haven't tried voip with webcam yet, actually
[15:11] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: try http://www.chatroulette.com/
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> I've already had sausage this morning, thank you very much :P
[15:12] <Tm_T> ...
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> and that was the breakfast kind, which is quite enough for me
[15:13] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, maco: mind if I upload amarok?
[15:16] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: hahahahahahahahaha, love the sausage and the cover up comment there :D
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> <.< >.>
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: root crashes should not be acted upon I think\
[15:33] <apachelogger> at least I implemented it that way back in the days ;)
[15:50] <maco> JontheEchidna: fine by me
[15:50] <maco> JontheEchidna: and Riddell's canoeing today, so i doubt youll get an answer from him soon
[16:11] <nixternal> hey, apachelogger is a Fedora lover fyi. espionage, traitor, just 2 words that come to mind
[16:12] <nixternal> there is an open spot or two at guantanamo bay with his name written all over it
[16:12] <apachelogger> omg!
[16:12] <nixternal> hahaha
[16:13] <nixternal> 11:13:07     gecos  | Harald Sitter                                                                                Tonio_
[16:13] <nixternal> 11:13:07  channels  | #kde-devel #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #fedora-kde #kubuntu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu-netbook #kubuntu-bugs
[16:18] <ScottK> I don't think he's large enough to need two.
[16:19] <nixternal> he is now an officer in Fedora
[16:20] <nixternal> 11:14:33 [   thomasj] apachelogger, welcome aboard officer
[16:58] <fedoralogger> nixternal: do you happen to know what a knowledge area is?
[17:15] <nixternal> fedoralogger: can't say that I do, but common sense, if i had any, would lead me to believe it would be an area where knowledge is stored...ie. ubuntu forums could be considered a knowledge area?
[17:15] <Mamarok> new record: total installation time: 17 minutes, including kde-full
[17:16] <Mamarok> congratulations, Lucid is really fast
[17:16] <Mamarok> and the slide show presenting Kubuntu during installation is nice :)
[17:17] <Mamarok> but it says KDE4 desktop, shouldn't this read KDE4 Software Compilation?
[17:18] <ScottK> That or KDE Plasma Workspace.
[17:18] <ScottK> nixternal is the one to fix it, I think.
[17:26] <nixternal> Mamarok: I don't think the new test is in the slideshow installer yet
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i would have that install speed too...only if my internet connection was faster :P
[17:29] <Mamarok> really nice work, I like Lucid :)
[17:29] <Mamarok> *d works out of the box, too
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its supposed too :P
[17:31] <shadeslayer> especially since its a LTS release :D
[17:37] <Mamarok> that should have read 3D, of course
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah nvidia,Ati or intel?
[17:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: ATI
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: thats awesome! nvidia here... 3D isnt working with nouveau
[17:41] <Mamarok> I never had Nvidia
[17:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: what parts of 3D isn't working?
[17:42] <Mamarok> always ATI or Intel, though I only try the built-in Intel every now and then
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: every part of it :P
[17:42] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I doubt
[17:42] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: openGL breaks into pieces..
[17:42] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: even with glxgears?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: xrender doesnt work.. with 3D
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you mean the mesa-utils package?
[17:43] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I finally got internet at the in-laws
[17:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I guess, I mean running glxgears
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'll be emailing you the docs in a few
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ah i didnt run glxgears...
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm adding final touches on the desktop doc now
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i just tried out kde's window effects... no desktop cube etc
[17:45] <Tm_T> bah, that's poor test for "any 3D" (:
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: also the cover flow effect
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hmm... also the 2D was sluggish
[17:49] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: groovy. I am going to probably start working on the package this evening. I am still at the desktop help summit so i am working on docs, but not working on docs
[17:52] <nixternal> fedoralogger: with knowledge area, were you by chance speaking of the management/project management definition?
[17:52] <fedoralogger> nixternal: the knowledge management definition
[17:53] <fedoralogger> nixternal: 100% brainfuck lecture
[17:53] <nixternal> lol
[17:53] <fedoralogger> srsly
[17:53] <fedoralogger> even hci is better than that
[17:54] <nixternal> right, so knowledge area in that source refers to a way or process of collecting and storing knowledge data
[17:55] <fedoralogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/snapshot8.png
[17:55] <fedoralogger> check out my OS!!!
[17:56] <fedoralogger> nixternal: thanks :)
[17:58]  * JontheEchidna putters along with his 1.5 mbps connection
[17:59] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: haha.... IE6!
[17:59] <fedoralogger> in wine!
[17:59] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: did you try and run sputnik on it?
[18:00] <fedoralogger> no, what is that
[18:00] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: google's way of effectively killing browsers
[18:00] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: http://sputnik.googlelabs.com/
[18:01] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: rekonq and konqueror went kaput!
[18:01] <fedoralogger> ie6 not
[18:01] <fedoralogger> it just doesnt load that page
[18:01] <fedoralogger> weeh :D
[18:01] <shadeslayer> chromium went on to complete the test
[18:02] <shadeslayer> with 231 failed tests :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: nice!
[18:02] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: they have it on google code as well
[18:03] <shadeslayer> fedoralogger: http://sputniktests.googlecode.com/
[18:04] <shadeslayer> ah..new lang packs
[18:04] <shadeslayer> and binutils
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> should be a new amarok and k3b on the way soon, if they're not already there
[18:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well im using my country mirror...so probably by tomorroq
[18:08] <shadeslayer> *tomorrow
[18:09] <crimsun> shadeslayer: provided you aren't using pulse, just set the desired mixer controls to "high" (whatever that is for your taste)
[18:09] <crimsun> shadeslayer: there is fundamentally no way to expose quirk information from the hardware level up to kmix
[18:09] <crimsun> (which is different to both Mac OS and Windows XP/Vista/7)
[18:10] <crimsun> shadeslayer: that said, you certainly could edit /lib/udev/alsa-utils to your desired settings for the start() target, but that's only valid for the very first boot/install anyhow, and it's very specific to your system.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> crimsun: ah ok
[18:11] <shadeslayer> crimsun: so there is no way to tweak this in the packaging it self?
[18:12] <crimsun> shadeslayer: the alsa-utils source/binary ships debian/init (installed as /lib/udev/alsa-utils)
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:13] <crimsun> shadeslayer: however, I am not going to change it in the initscript, because it's either a hardware problem or a driver issue, and I'm tired of papering over problems in other packages.
[18:23] <shadeslayer> crimsun: thats fine...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> crimsun: the problem is not that huge...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> anyways gtg... good night everyone :)
[18:25] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: sleep well
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hehe...
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: apparently I should put "can make a pretty picture with Potato guy" on my resume, if your blog comments are to be believed
[20:06] <nixternal> hahaha, that is Phil Bull, Ubuntu documentation writer who is here at that summit with me...it has a bunch of inside jokes taking jabs at stuff like buttons on the left
[20:06] <nixternal> see my buttons in the window where they are located?
[20:06] <nixternal> and that is obviously sabdfl preaching to the little aliens at UDS :)
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:41] <ScottK> Just got spammed by rosetta, so kdebase-workspace must have been accepted.
[21:32] <fedoralogger> here is a quality subject that just recently got discussed in a cpp newsgroup "char* vs. cstring" ;)
[23:47] <fedoralogger> JontheEchidna: you can do that? Oo
[23:53] <fedoralogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu-bugs is now monitoring kcm-touchpad
[23:56]  * fedoralogger does not understand bug 538512


 \
 Forwarded from unknown: Hello everyone, so I'm sorry I haven't gotten to how to test the new muffin patch, but anyways here we go.
 You will need:
 1) Cinnamon DE (just plain cinnamon/muffin window manager)
 2) A laptop
 3) An external monitor
 The patch is in ubuntus proposed repository-so to upgrade the package to our patch you need to enable the proposed repo.
 Here's how: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
 If you want a deeper look into the verification process read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
 Now, upgrade your system and make sure muffin is upgraded. The version should be appended with a -(number)ubuntu0.1.
 Now you can test.
 Here is the launchpad bug you need to see:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muffin/+bug/1888169
 Read the issues in upstream LM Muffin as mentioned. Here is your steps:
 Upstream (From: Michael Webster)
 Example to reproduce: Laptop monitor + external monitor.  Arrange laptop
 monitor to the right of the external one.  Using nvidia-450 (confirmed
 for me, at least), turn laptop monitor off.  Ignoring horrible lag from
 driver, turn the laptop monitor back on (arranging it still to the right
 of the external monitor).
 According to Webster after an email you don't have to worry about the graphics, just do it.
 Follow the steps and then, you need to submit your test case.
 If you get this far and want to help show to the MOTU's that this patch works, and you know, if you want a more stabilized 20.04, let's show them this actually works.
 Go to our devel telegram: t.me/ubuntucinnamondev. Then Talk to me when your ready.
 In the future we will do the same but it will be in annoucned in the Dev Telegram.
 Thanks guys,
 Josh


[03:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[03:42] <Kilos> beat ya all
[03:43] <Symmetria> lol, Im here but felt like being anti-social and keeping my mouth shut
[03:43] <Symmetria> ;p
[03:43] <Symmetria> good morning
[03:44] <Kilos> lol hi Symmetria
[03:44] <Kilos> :)
[03:50] <Kilos> Symmetria  why you up so early, or are you in a place that that hasnt gone to sleep yet
[04:11] <Kilos> Symmetria  you got serios competition
[04:11] <Kilos> Fetched 69,6 MB in 1min 23s (838 kB/s)
[04:12] <Symmetria> hah nah I just got to work really early
[04:12] <Kilos> thats from neology
[04:12] <Symmetria> lol, what do you get from me?
[04:12] <Kilos> over 3g
[04:12] <Symmetria> and dude, its 6am in ZA, everyone has bandwidth at that time of the day
[04:12] <Kilos> i need to look at it again
[04:13] <Kilos> im too old to be a dude man
[04:14] <Kilos> dudes from my time wore fancy clothes
[04:27] <Kilos> ai! todo list getting out of hand
[04:48] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[04:50]  * Kilos waits impatiently
[05:03] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:04] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[05:04] <inetpro> Hi Kilos
[05:05] <Kilos> when im in trunk bzr update says bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-za
[05:05] <Kilos> but in browser i still see the list
[05:05] <Kilos> so to me it looks like the gui isnt there or here
[05:06] <inetpro> you will unfortunately have to wait a bit longer for tech support to arrive
[05:06] <Kilos> ai!
[05:06] <Kilos> lol
[05:07] <Kilos> Tree is up to date at revision 20 of branch
[05:07] <Kilos> no error messages that invoke the obviously comment
[05:24]  * Kilos joined the group "days are too short"
[05:26] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[05:27] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:36] <Kilos> jibu  coffee on
[05:36]  * jibu puts the kettle on
[05:40] <jibu> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:40] <Kilos> jibu  thanks
[05:40] <jibu> Kilos: not at all
[05:46] <inetpro> Maaz: kick jibu
[05:46] <Maaz> inetpro: Sorry...
[05:47] <inetpro> ai!
[05:50] <Kilos> haha
[05:52] <Kilos> hi pad
[05:52] <Kilos> ai!
[05:53] <Kilos> Padroni  wb
[05:53] <Padroni> morning
[05:53] <Padroni> hi Kilos
[05:54] <Padroni> how's it going?
[05:54] <Kilos> very good ty and you?
[05:54] <Padroni> meh
[05:54] <Padroni> I am back at wrok
[05:54] <Padroni> *work
[05:54] <Kilos> shame
[05:54] <Padroni> why is it so quiet here?
[05:55] <Padroni> 30 people, no one chatting
[05:55] <Kilos> peeps still arriving
[05:55] <Kilos> 38
[05:55] <Kilos> when you have time i got a job for you
[05:56] <Kilos> your specialtiy job
[05:56] <Kilos> speciality
[05:59] <Kilos> there used to be a saying about idle hands that ive forgotten, but ill try keep all hands on deck and busy
[05:59] <Padroni> lol
[05:59] <Padroni> what job?
[06:00] <Kilos> our paste bin needs to be told of all the stuff you found
[06:00] <Padroni> slexy.org?
[06:00] <Kilos> and maybe helped to get rid of all the junk
[06:00] <Kilos> ya
[06:01] <Kilos> we use slexy because its the fastest
[06:01] <Kilos> peeps with slow machines battle with the ubuntu pastebin
[06:02] <Padroni> oh ok
[06:02] <Kilos> we will appreciate it ty
[06:02] <Padroni> if slexy was mine, I would have rebooted the whole thing
[06:03] <Padroni> at this time, you can't browse for interesting stuff, as it's just spam
[06:03] <Kilos> maybe they arent very clued up
[06:03] <Padroni> this is why I suggested just making our own one
[06:03] <Padroni> but I will see if I can contact them and ask what's up
[06:03] <Kilos> ty
[06:04] <Kilos> we can look at making our own one as well
[06:04] <Kilos> but slexy is so fast even with stuff not needed
[06:04] <Kilos> i dont see any of the stuff you see
[06:05] <Padroni> click on RECENT at the top
[06:05] <Kilos> oh
[06:06] <Padroni> see?
[06:06] <Padroni> page after page of porn links and shit
[06:06] <Kilos> ya
[06:07] <Kilos> you see, you were dragged here for a reason
[06:07] <Kilos> what got you here btw
[06:12] <Kilos> hahaha inetpro  skelm
[06:12] <Padroni> I saw a tweet by CTLUG about your site
[06:13] <Padroni> went to it, then followed the prompts to the chatroom
[06:13] <Kilos> oh ya
[06:13] <Kilos> who tweeted it
[06:13] <Padroni> Cape Town Linux Users Group
[06:13] <Padroni> ie, CTLUG
[06:13] <Kilos> oh not an individual
[06:13] <Padroni> nope
[06:14] <Kilos> i bet it was one of ours guys that did it anyway
[06:16] <Padroni> probably
[06:20] <Kilos> i should actually twwet a bit again
[06:20] <Kilos> tweet too
[06:22] <Kilos> you may follow sharpeys
[06:23] <Padroni> sharpeys?
[06:23] <Kilos> ya
[06:23] <Kilos> that be me
[06:24] <Padroni> sorry bru
[06:24] <Padroni> busy running a pentest against a site here
[06:24] <Kilos> np
[06:24] <Padroni> so if I sound pre-occuppied
[06:24] <Padroni> ...
[06:24] <Kilos> i understand
[06:25] <superfly> CLUG has a twitter account?  I don't think my CEO would be very happy about it though...
[06:26] <Padroni> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:26] <Padroni> mine either
[06:26] <Padroni> he is huge on apple
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> there are people that think apple is linux?
[06:26] <Padroni> I am not
[06:26] <Kilos> lol
[06:26] <Padroni> my mac has been standing on a desk in my office unused for 2 years now
[06:27] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: nope, just a number of the CLUG guys use Linux on their servers but Macs as their computers
[06:27]  * superfly is thinking specifically of Yola
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, to each their own
[06:28] <Padroni> make no mistake
[06:28] <Kilos> oh my , i use yola
[06:28] <Padroni> I love Apple's phone
[06:28] <Padroni> I have two
[06:28] <Padroni> but their desktop OS - not so much.
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> I can't use an iphone because its so heavily dependant on itunes
[06:28] <Padroni> Sadly, that is true.
[06:29] <Kilos> we have a yola guy here methinks
[06:29] <Kilos> coowee who are you?
[06:31]  * Padroni wish that people using Drupal / Joomla would learn to upgrade the damn thing
[06:31] <Padroni> Without fail, almost EVERY hacked CMS I investigate, is an outdated one.
[06:31] <Padroni> And yet - we are not allowed to slap the client, for some reason.
[06:34] <Kilos> slapping is a last resort. education comes first so you can know why you got slapped
[06:34]  * Padroni was thinking of explaining while he was busy slapping away
[06:34] <Kilos> lol
[06:36] <Padroni> I really love the silence in my office
[06:37] <Padroni> my phone does not ring anymore
[06:37] <Kilos> its broken
[06:45] <Padroni> no
[06:45] <Padroni> I don't take support calls anymore
[06:45] <Padroni> only Abuse
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:45] <Kilos> so if i fone and swear at you then you answer
[06:45] <Kilos> haha
[06:46] <Padroni> yes
[06:46] <Padroni> but then I break your internet
[06:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:47] <inetpro> Kilos: tech support arrived yet?
[06:47] <Padroni> hi inetpro
[06:48] <inetpro> good morning Padroni
[06:48] <inetpro> wb as well
[06:48] <inetpro> oh and hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:49] <Kilos> nope inetpro  you just did
[06:49] <inetpro> ai!
[06:49] <Kilos> lol
[06:49] <Kilos> you the man man
[06:50] <Kilos> i could bother the fly but you are closer and also need the practise
[06:50] <Kilos> i remember you asking fly lots about error stuff
[06:51] <Kilos> all i need now i think is to see the gui thing
[06:52] <Kilos> so maybe its time to make a new contact page
[06:53] <Kilos> or something that makes it visible to other peeps so you can fix it
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo pro
[06:54] <mazal> Good morning
[06:54] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:54] <mazal> How goes oom ?
[06:55] <Kilos> very good ty mazal  and you
[06:55] <mazal> Great thanx , the Lord helped me again so awesome thise morning :)
[06:56] <Kilos> good
[06:56] <mazal> btw , sorry for running so quick last night , huge thunder strom moved in
[06:56] <mazal> Had to unplug and shut down very quickly
[06:56] <Kilos> here too
[06:57] <Padroni> hi mazal
[06:57] <Kilos> i got one of those things inline to stop surges killing pc
[06:57] <Kilos> surge protester i think its called
[06:57] <Kilos> and modem is 3g so it will have to hit in here to kill me
[06:58] <mazal> And by the time the storm past eksdom moved in :P
[06:58] <mazal> And that was that for the night
[06:58] <Kilos> lol
[06:59] <Kilos> thats everyones prob nowadays
[07:00] <Kilos> oh did you ever do the key thing
[07:00] <mazal> key thing ?
[07:00] <mazal> Hi Padroni
[07:00] <Kilos> ssh public key
[07:01] <Kilos> had to go look for what its called
[07:01] <mazal> For that signing of code of conduct ?
[07:01] <Kilos> and sign the code of conduct
[07:01] <Kilos> ya
[07:01] <mazal> Nope , seems way to big a hassle
[07:01] <Kilos> nono man
[07:01] <mazal> They made that too complicated
[07:01] <Kilos> its worth every bit of the time spent
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> if creating and managing an ssh key is too complicated its time to consider working in another industry
[07:02] <mazal> Gladly , if they would only let me
[07:02] <Padroni> mazal:  are you in IT?
[07:02] <mazal> Somewhere outdoors where there isn't even a phone would be awesome
[07:03] <mazal> Padroni: yes
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> they are holding you prisoner? should we call the cops?
[07:03] <Padroni> hehehehe
[07:03] <Padroni> hahahahaha
[07:03] <Kilos> lol they are the cops
[07:03] <mazal> Padroni: But not on servers. I am spoon feeder
[07:03] <Kilos> or a branch
[07:03] <Padroni> what do you do, and who do you do it for?
[07:03] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: They are actually , refuse to let me go cos nobody else can do it aparently
[07:04] <Padroni> no offense, but it seems neither can you?
[07:04] <mazal> Padroni: Hardware installs , software installs , network maintenance and user support
[07:04] <Padroni> or am I on the wrong page now?
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> wow you must be properly brainwashed, nobody can keep you in a job if you want to leave
[07:04] <Padroni> ah, ok
[07:04] <mazal> The servers is not my work Padroni , I am not trained in that. I am ground worker where the pc meats the user
[07:05] <Padroni> ok, my bad
[07:05] <Padroni> who do you work for, if I may ask?
[07:05] <Kilos> mazal  tell him
[07:06] <Kilos> dont be shy
[07:06] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: With my skin color , I have no choice. Sad and negative , but true
[07:06] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: And internally they refuse to help me and shift me elsewhere
[07:06] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: I must keep what I have , no work out there
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> alrighty then
[07:06] <Kilos> Padroni  govt branch
[07:07] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[07:07] <Padroni> ah yes, if Govt then you're [inclined planed wrapped around an eliptical base]
[07:07] <Kilos> inetpro  ?
[07:08] <Kilos> these peeps talk so much i forgot what you are answering
[07:08] <inetpro> 11/02 08:52:18 <Kilos> so maybe its time to make a new contact page
[07:08] <inetpro> 11/02 08:53:02 <Kilos> or something that makes it visible to other peeps so you can fix it
[07:08] <Kilos> oh
[07:08] <Kilos> oh my so its broken again?
[07:08] <inetpro> uh
[07:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:09] <inetpro> Padroni, ThatGraemeGuy: please take off that grumpy face and put up a friendly face for our friend mazal
[07:09] <Kilos> when i fix a car it stays fixed
[07:09] <mazal> Thank you inetpro
[07:09] <Padroni> I wasn't grumpy?
[07:09] <Kilos> lol
[07:09]  * Padroni was just curious
[07:09] <inetpro> ai!
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is my friendly face o_O
[07:10] <Kilos> haha
[07:10]  * inetpro is the only one allowed to be grumpy here
[07:10] <Kilos> and me?
[07:10] <mazal> People that sommer jump onto someone without haveing the feintest clue what they actually do and what is actually going on in their life
[07:11] <Kilos> mazal  you still my friend
[07:11] <mazal> So as I was saying Kilos, I will be able to that signing thing , but it doesn't seem worth the effort.
[07:11] <Padroni> I see Hifi Corp is now selling ADSL ?
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> lighten up a little dude, everyone is not out to get you
[07:11] <mazal> I will never apply for membership or things like that
[07:11] <Padroni> mazal pm me
[07:11] <Kilos> mazal  of course it is
[07:12] <mazal> Isn't it only for memberships ? Or are there more to it ?
[07:12] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him why
[07:19] <inetpro> hmm... and now they all stop talking?
[07:20] <Kilos> we waiting for you to explain man
[07:20]  * Padroni is at work today...
[07:20] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[07:20]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:20] <Padroni> my wife just bought herself a drumkit
[07:21] <Padroni> I'm guessing mid-life crisis?
[07:21] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[07:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[07:21] <inetpro> Kilos: simple
[07:21] <Padroni> maaz?
[07:21] <Padroni> maaz
[07:21] <inetpro> RTFS
[07:21] <Padroni> maaaaz
[07:21] <Padroni> Terminal:
[07:21] <Padroni> ssh-keygen
[07:21] <Kilos> is that the answer for mazal  inetpro  ?
[07:21] <Padroni> then cat ~/.ssh/ssh-rsa.pub
[07:22] <Padroni> if I am not mistaken
[07:22] <inetpro> ai!
[07:22] <Kilos>  maaz is our bot Padroni
[07:22] <inetpro> Kilos: RTFS
[07:22] <Kilos> oh me
[07:22] <Kilos> again
[07:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:22] <inetpro> and stop making assumptions
[07:22]  * Padroni knows about the bot
[07:22] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[07:22] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[07:22] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <inetpro> Maaz: rtfs
[07:23] <Maaz> inetpro: Huh?
[07:23] <inetpro> damn!
[07:23] <Kilos> yay
[07:23] <Kilos> i know what it means
[07:23] <inetpro> who hacked the bot?
[07:23] <Kilos> ?
[07:24] <inetpro> Maaz: rtfs
[07:24] <Maaz> Read the Freaking Source/Spec/Screen
[07:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[07:24] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias amigo
[07:24] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[07:25]  * inetpro sure he taught him that before
[07:25] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[07:25] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[07:26] <inetpro> and Kilos
[07:26]  * inetpro is grumpy because tech support still hasn't pitched
[07:26] <Kilos> lol
[07:26] <Kilos> im grumpy because i had min sleep
[07:27] <Kilos> all the rtfs
[07:27] <Kilos> must i have mysql installed?
[07:28] <inetpro> superfly: please bring the grease bucket
[07:28] <Kilos> rofl
[07:29] <Kilos> i love this channel and its awkward geeks
[07:30] <Kilos> something in nikola build isnt happy
[07:30] <Kilos> and im in trunk
[07:31] <Kilos> ~/Projects/ubuntu-za/trunk
[07:33] <Kilos> and nikola serve is running on another konsole
[07:36] <Padroni> hi mazal
[07:37] <Padroni> check your pm mazal
[07:37] <mazal> I did thanx
[07:39] <mazal> ok , another few 100 virusses dead , next !
[07:40] <Kilos> inetpro  no Branching, Pushing, Proposing and Merging and i must see our site?
[07:40] <Kilos> im missing something somewhere and rtfs isnt helping
[07:40] <inetpro> Kilos, Kilos, Kilos
[07:40] <inetpro> 11/02 09:22:35 <inetpro> and stop making assumptions
[07:41] <Kilos> im lost man
[07:41] <Kilos> you gonna make me cry
[07:41] <Kilos> hehe
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> go ahead, we won't judge
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[07:41] <Kilos> lol
[07:42] <inetpro> 10/02 23:50:01 <Kilos> nikola was installed when fly started the whole thing with you
[07:42] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[07:42] <Kilos> oh
[07:43] <Kilos> purge and install again?
[07:43] <Kilos> or delete something somewhere
[07:43] <inetpro> think about it nice and long and then RTFS again
[07:43] <Kilos> ai!
[07:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:54] <Kilos> rtfs is so hard
[07:58] <charl> good morning
[07:58] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:58]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:58]  * Kilos hunts for the nikola conf file
[07:59] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:59] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:03] <Kilos> inetpro  nikola forget?
[08:03] <Kilos> is that the right way rather than purging
[08:04] <inetpro> Kilos: can I please suggest something
[08:05] <Kilos> yes
[08:05] <Kilos> please do
[08:07] <inetpro> sorry, interruption
[08:07] <Kilos> np
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: please take the file README.rst
[08:08] <inetpro> make a copy of it and save somewhere else
[08:08] <inetpro> then modify every line of it
[08:09] <inetpro> add a hash (#) in front of every line
[08:09] <inetpro> then start working through it step by step
[08:10] <inetpro> with each step, add and empty line and then start writing your comments
[08:10] <Kilos> ah
[08:10] <inetpro> then at the end of the whole thing post that on slexy
[08:11]  * Kilos sees method here
[08:11] <Kilos> ok let me do that ty
[08:18] <Squirm> Morning
[08:19] <Padroni> hi Squirm
[08:19] <Kilos> hi Squirm  \
[08:22] <Squirm> it's a Kilos \
[08:22] <Squirm> Heya Padroni
[08:23] <Kilos> sorry man fingers too long or tired or something
[08:25] <Padroni> wow
[08:25] <Padroni> my collection of phishing sites are growing steadily
[08:25] <Padroni> i have just over 700 now
[08:26] <Kilos> do you then do something about it? or what is the precedure
[08:26] <Kilos> procedure
[08:26] <Padroni> This is what I remove off the internet daily
[08:26] <Padroni> but I keep backups of everything I remove
[08:26] <Kilos> wow
[08:26] <Padroni> so I have gigabytes of hack tools / kits / phishing sites / etc
[08:27]  * Padroni prays that no Nigerian ever steals his computer
[08:27] <Kilos> is that where most of them originate
[08:27] <Padroni> a lot is from west africa, yes
[08:27] <Padroni> but not all
[08:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:29] <Padroni> but apart from that
[08:29] <Padroni> never forget that 66% of all SA internet is being monitored by the NSA
[08:30] <Padroni> that is a bigger concern to me
[08:30] <Kilos> ah
[08:31] <Padroni> that awkward moment when you log in via Teamviewer and the client is busy with online banking...
[08:32] <Padroni> hi Jacques_Stry
[08:32] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry
[08:33] <Jacques_Stry> thx - busy sorting out blown equipment so got dc'd
[08:34] <Jacques_Stry> Sometimes I like lightning - get new equipment :)
[08:38] <Padroni> ok
[08:38] <Padroni> well this was awkward
[08:38] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[08:38] <Padroni> activated Orca Screenreader while trying to open the screenshot app
[08:39] <Padroni> I should stop putting my volume on 100% for one
[08:39] <Jacques_Stry> haha >.<
[08:58] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[08:59] <TinuvaMac> hi
[08:59] <TinuvaMac> how goes
[08:59] <Padroni> I love this job.
[08:59] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:59] <Padroni> You pull apart one phishing site, and in doing so, dig up more fake sites
[08:59] <TinuvaMac> good as well
[08:59] <Padroni> the devil is in the details, you see.
[08:59] <Padroni> hi TinuvaMac
[09:00] <TinuvaMac> hi Padroni
[09:05] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[09:05] <magellanic> hey :)
[09:06] <Kilos> im sure there should be a wb too
[09:06] <magellanic> hi will do ;)
[09:07] <Kilos> hehe
[09:07] <Kilos> long time no see
[09:07] <magellanic> yeah :( will hang around here more often :)
[09:08] <Kilos> nice to hear that ty
[09:08] <superfly> oh hey magellanic
[09:08] <superfly> long time no see
[09:09] <magellanic> superfly: :)
[09:10] <Padroni> hi superfly ; magellanic
[09:10] <magellanic> hi Padroni
[09:13] <Padroni> hi Kerbero
[09:22] <Padroni> I have to reboot my proxy
[09:22] <Padroni> brb
[09:24] <Kilos> Padroni_  wb
[09:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:26] <Kilos> tail and all
[09:27] <Padroni> ty Kilos
[09:28] <EvilDMP> good morning ZA
[09:28] <Kilos> h EvilDMP
[09:28] <EvilDMP> http://python-namibia.org/news/close/
[09:29] <EvilDMP> My personal highlights of the event:
[09:30] <Kilos> well done
[09:30] <EvilDMP> a) walking into the hall on the last day after lunch, and being nudged by a colleague who pointed out a group of people gathered at the back: "see that? They're getting together to form a Python Namibia association"
[09:30] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  wb
[09:31] <Kilos> ok EvilDMP  thats good. i will be coming to you for contacts
[09:32] <EvilDMP> b) again on the last day, seeing a student - who had never used Python before, and didn't even own a computer - stand up to do a live coding demonstration on a borrowed machine
[09:32] <Kilos> cool
[09:32] <EvilDMP> so all in all: an completely fantastic trip
[09:32] <Kilos> yeah keep it up
[09:33] <EvilDMP> but my goodness they are really held back by this Windows/monolithic IDE culture
[09:33] <magellanic> nice one EvilDMP, looked like a great event
[09:33] <Kilos> and tell me did anyone mention ubuntu
[09:33] <Padroni> nice EvilDMP
[09:34] <Padroni> just read it
[09:34] <EvilDMP> we had a handful of Ubuntu (or other Linux) users, more amongst the staff than the students
[09:34] <Kilos> oh my EvilDMP  see this http://slexy.org/view/s2RNrWvZLY
[09:34] <Kilos> i have been trying to get some contact going in namibia
[09:35] <EvilDMP> we've got a few things going now - an IRC channel, where some of our Namibian friends drop in each day
[09:35] <EvilDMP> #python-namibia
[09:35] <Kilos> and if any of them contact you please point them to #ubuntu-africa
[09:35] <EvilDMP> all small steps
[09:36] <Kilos> well done
[09:38] <Padroni> Ok
[09:38] <Padroni> I need to see some code on that pastebin or I will go mad
[09:38] <Padroni> so here:
[09:38] <Padroni> http://slexy.org/view/s2azAzT1KJ
[09:43] <Padroni> *silence...*
[09:43] <Kilos> well ive saved it
[09:43] <Padroni> that code?
[09:43] <Kilos> but dont know if ill ever need it
[09:43] <Kilos> ya
[09:43] <Padroni> hehe
[09:43] <Padroni> well
[09:43] <Kilos> wasnt i supposed to
[09:44] <Padroni> it's useful if you need to use a tool where you're not supposed to
[09:44] <Padroni> and to make sure it removes itself when you are done
[09:44] <Padroni> like I said - perfect for shell scripts
[09:44] <Kilos> ah
[09:44] <Padroni> just refresh and it is gone
[09:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:44] <Padroni> I can give you one that you might use?
[09:45] <Kilos> ok
[09:45] <Kilos> i need one to wake up my ram
[09:45] <Padroni> haha
[09:45] <Padroni> nvm then
[09:46] <Kilos> lol
[09:46] <Padroni> my contributions would be web related
[09:46] <Kilos> what did you think i could use
[09:46] <Padroni> script to transfer larege files between web servers
[09:46] <Padroni> instead of say - download / upload
[09:47] <Kilos> im sure that will be welcome by more than me
[09:48] <Kilos> does it have a continue where disconnected option too
[09:48] <Kilos> as with wget -c
[09:50] <Padroni> it won't disconnect
[09:50] <Padroni> it's between servers and your connection status is irrelevant.
[09:51] <Kilos> i mean as when eskom load sheds
[09:51] <Padroni> Again.
[09:51] <Padroni> Irrelevant.
[09:51] <Kilos> cool
[09:52] <Padroni> The request is sent from one server to another.
[09:52] <Padroni> as long as they both have power, it will work
[09:52] <Padroni> so if they are reliant on Eskom for power, it might fail
[09:52] <Padroni> but if your power fails, it won't affect it.
[09:52] <Kilos> can it just be rerun then when power is back
[09:53] <Kilos> on a dead server that is
[09:53] <Padroni> no
[09:53] <Padroni> no resume
[09:53] <Padroni> how big a file are you planning on transferring?
[09:53] <Kilos> so it will start from scratch again
[09:54] <Padroni> coz 1GB takes 5 - 10min
[09:54] <Padroni> yup
[09:54] <Kilos> thats fine
[09:56] <Kilos> i was thinking of things ive often seen where you get a message the the folder already exists and options to merge them etc
[09:57] <Padroni> nah it will just rename the file
[09:57] <Kilos> cool
[09:57] <Padroni> or rather, append it with (1)
[09:57] <Padroni> etc until it succeeds
[09:57] <Kilos> well dont dangle it in front of our noses
[09:58] <Kilos> im sure it will be welcome
[09:58] <mazal> Is oom se site al op ?
[09:58] <Padroni> one sec
[09:59] <Kilos> nee mazal  ek sukkel nog met goed wat ek verkeerd gedoen het
[09:59] <mazal> k
[10:02] <Padroni> http://slexy.org/view/s2wMWClFLp
[10:02] <Kilos> ty sir
[10:02] <Kilos> inetpro  http://slexy.org/view/s20TNWLZVj
[10:03] <Kilos> remember we did that stuff 2 or 3 months ago when fly started with the site so im not sure about manything
[10:05] <Kilos> ty for that Padroni
[10:05] <Padroni> no prob
[10:07]  * Padroni is installing nikola
[10:08] <Kilos> just dont start with it
[10:08] <Kilos> use bzr first
[10:08] <Kilos> otherwise you got to sort stuff like me
[10:10] <Padroni> may I ask - why Nikola?
[10:10] <Padroni> why not use a CMS ?
[10:10] <Kilos> static
[10:10] <Padroni> and?
[10:11] <Kilos> the fly will have a good reason
[10:11] <Padroni> why the need for it to be static?
[10:11] <Padroni> Security?
[10:11] <Kilos> fast
[10:11] <Padroni> coz I can secure a CMS if need be
[10:11] <Kilos> and secure methinks
[10:11] <Padroni> yes but by the looks of Nikola, dev is going to be a pain in the ass
[10:11] <Padroni> i mean seriously - text based editor?
[10:11] <Padroni> no one uses those anymore
[10:11] <Kilos> there is a nice nikola manual
[10:11] <Padroni> except me but that is for edit, not author
[10:13] <Kilos> i just follow but i know our site is fast
[10:13] <Padroni> WP sites are also fast
[10:13] <Padroni> or can be if you know what you are doing
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:14] <Kilos> actually using nikola hasnt got much for you to do if you look at my paste
[10:14] <Kilos> pretty basic setup\
[10:15] <Kilos> even i should have got that right
[10:16] <Kilos> rather hot here today 36°c
[10:16] <Kilos> feels like more in the sun
[10:19] <mazal> Crazy hot here too
[10:19] <mazal> And aircon died this morning , I don't even want to know how hot it is inside with all this equipment in here
[10:20] <mazal> Must be at least 40
[10:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:21] <mazal> I'm cooking today that's for sure :P
[10:21] <mazal> And the other aircon that does work floods the place with water , so can't use that one either
[10:22] <Kilos> roast mazal  for supper
[10:22] <mazal> indeed
[10:24] <Jacques_Stry> Usually if a aircon floods the a temp solution is turning the temp to 23
[10:24] <mazal> 7x pc's , 1x laptop , 3xservers , 7x switches and 2 printers , all in one office. Hows that for some heat generation :(
[10:24] <Jacques_Stry> it should help at least till fixed
[10:24] <mazal> Jacques_Stry: And they have come and "fixed it" 3 times already
[10:25] <mazal> Looks like where the aircon joins the wall the output pipe is not connected or blocked. leaks right against the wall
[10:25] <Jacques_Stry> haha know how you feel - problem with a freezing is it could be allot of things that causes it
[10:26] <Jacques_Stry> Good be needs gas, temp sensor, computer etc.
[10:26] <Jacques_Stry> could*
[10:26] <mazal> Yeah and the "fix it" guys can't seem to get it sorted
[10:27] <Jacques_Stry> That seems lame...
[10:27] <mazal> And as luck would have it , the room slopes slighty down right into the corner where servers and main hub electrical points are
[10:27] <mazal> So all water goes there
[10:27] <Jacques_Stry> Should be an easy fix then...
[10:28] <mazal> These contractors , what can I say
[10:28] <Jacques_Stry> and hot electronics don't last
[10:28] <mazal> Indeed. So I resorted to running it a bit until the water build-up gets to much , shut it down , water dries out , start it up for a while etc.
[10:29] <Padroni> jeez mazal
[10:29] <mazal> If the contractors eventually pitch up I think it will be the 4th time for the same problem
[10:29] <Padroni> that is quite a gimp setup you got there :(
[10:30] <mazal> What means gimp ?
[10:30] <Jacques_Stry> Welcome to SA, creating jobs
[10:31] <Padroni> gimp = moertoe
[10:31] <mazal> Why Padroni ? You mean the broken aircons ?
[10:31] <Padroni> yeah
[10:31] <Padroni> it would drive me nuts
[10:31] <mazal> Indeed
[10:31] <Padroni> water running on the floors
[10:31] <Padroni> etc
[10:31] <mazal> Biggest problem is at night
[10:32] <mazal> Then I'm not here to check it
[10:32] <mazal> Eskom helps with that one though , they shut it down for me lol
[10:32] <Padroni> hehe
[10:32] <Padroni> And so, there's a bright side
[10:33] <mazal> Or when I go to one of my other sites. Then I can't leave it on :(
[10:33] <mazal> It's a battle
[10:34] <mazal> Think I must gooi cabling outside to the trees and go sit and work in the shade lol
[10:35] <Padroni> I would put a cap in that aircon's ass and requisition a new one
[10:36] <mazal> We do get huge thunderstorms that can " break " stuff <eg>
[10:36]  * mazal starts plotting
[10:37] <Padroni> the alternative is to remove the cover, switch the power wires and close it
[10:37] <Padroni> next time it gets switched on, it will either fry or short-circuit
[10:37] <Padroni> either way, chances are it will break and then they need to replace it
[10:38]  * Padroni has sabotaged more than one pc like that in order to get new equipment
[10:38] <mazal> And then I just do the " I don't know , it wasn't me " bit
[10:39] <Padroni> "I was just sitting here doing a grep search and the whole darn thiing exploded.  I am just as surprised as you are."
[10:39] <mazal> bwahahaha lol , I like your thinking :)
[10:41] <mazal> Problem is with the second part of the plan , I will probably get a " There is no money for a new one " response
[10:41] <Jacques_Stry> then you'r screwed
[10:41] <Jacques_Stry> you're*
[10:42] <mazal> yep
[10:42]  * mazal goes for some air for now
[10:50] <inetpro> 11/02 12:11:07 <Padroni> why the need for it to be static?
[10:50] <inetpro> 11/02 08:31:15 -*- Padroni wish that people using Drupal / Joomla would learn to upgrade the damn thing
[10:50] <inetpro> 11/02 08:31:45 <Padroni> Without fail, almost EVERY hacked CMS I investigate, is an outdated one.
[10:50] <inetpro> Padroni: that ^^ is why
[10:50] <Padroni> So keep it updated?
[10:50] <Padroni> with WP it's a question of pushing a button
[10:50] <Padroni> PLUS
[10:51] <Padroni> I can secure the thing, seeing as I am in that type of business
[10:51] <inetpro> uh
[10:51] <Padroni> But - I was just wondering, because this Nikola looks complicated
[10:51] <inetpro> we've had many a peep come and go in here
[10:51] <Padroni> I get it
[10:52] <Padroni> new guy syndrome
[10:52] <Padroni> Like I said - I was just wondering
[10:52] <Padroni> Even with static pages, there are easier ways to do it.
[10:52] <inetpro> we really don't need much more than a simple, stable and fast static site here at #ubuntu-za
[10:55] <Padroni> true that
[10:55] <Padroni> I kinda like the current one, to be honest.
[10:59]  * Kilos needs to sleep a while
[11:00] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[11:00] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[11:02] <mazal> and the contractor arrived , let's see how it goes
[11:03] <Squirm> My Arduino Uno arrived today
[11:03] <Padroni> #jealous
[11:03] <Padroni> I want a BeagleBoard but ai, the price...
[11:04] <Padroni> I have quite an extensive shopping list of toys that I want
[11:04] <Padroni> lots of stuff that I want  to build
[11:04] <Padroni> like a GSM base station
[11:04] <Padroni> but the stuff is so expensive
[11:07] <Squirm> Padroni: indeed it is
[11:07] <Squirm> I have an RPi and now an Arduino
[11:08] <Squirm> so... combined it probably is a BeagleBone
[11:08] <Squirm> :/
[11:08] <Padroni> i play with Mini-ITX formfactor pc's at the moment
[11:08] <Padroni> P4's
[11:09] <Squirm> I wanted a BeagleBone too, but thought I'd need to start from the ground and work my way up. Was using my RPi's digital pins for driving relay's, which I don't think is reccomended.
[11:09] <Squirm> Why?
[11:15] <Padroni> why what?
[11:15] <Squirm> Just curious as to what you're doing with them?
[11:15]  * Padroni sees Ubuntu phones available in Europe only and thinks that's some bullshit.
[11:15] <Padroni> oh
[11:15] <Padroni> well
[11:15] <Padroni> they are micro computers
[11:15] <Padroni> but with p4 chips
[11:16] <Padroni> so basically test distros
[11:16] <Padroni> etc
[11:16] <Padroni> i have 3
[11:16] <Squirm> Yeah
[11:16] <Squirm> cool
[11:16] <Padroni> they make nice media center pc's too
[11:16] <Squirm> That they do
[11:16] <Padroni> stick 'em with double sided tape to the back of the TV
[11:16] <Squirm> Though for that, I have my trusty RPi
[11:17] <Padroni> yeah but these two you can't compare
[11:17] <Padroni> yours is a single-board pc
[11:17] <Padroni> mine is just a pc on a very small formfactor
[11:18] <Padroni> I just killed 13 domains used for spam and advanced-fee fraud
[11:19]  * Jacques_Stry salutes Padroni on a job well done
[11:19] <Padroni> still alot of work ahead on this one but thanx
[11:21] <Squirm> what is it that you do Padroni?
[11:23] <Padroni> I work in the hosting industry.
[11:24] <Padroni> I am a hacker/pentester/security researcher
[11:24] <Padroni> also, I drink a lot of beer
[11:25] <Padroni> and you , Squirm?
[11:36] <Padroni> Squirm: ???
[11:37] <Jacques_Stry> Your networking skills must be pretty good then, mine's not what I want it to be
[11:38] <Padroni> to be honest
[11:38] <Padroni> I have a knack for running down a scam / phish / fraud
[11:38] <Padroni> I am quite good at finding those
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> I just can't believe people fall for them
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> Not hard usually to identify them but people for the most obvious stuff
[11:41] <Padroni> people are desperate
[11:41] <Padroni> they believe because they want to believe
[11:42] <Jacques_Stry> But I guess lack of knowledge is the problem, for example they don't know how easy it is to spoof an email address to impersonate a company.
[11:43] <Jacques_Stry> I think phishing is the thing people fall for the most.
[11:43] <Padroni> indeed
[11:44] <Padroni> but the stuff I come across are sometimes quite complex
[11:44] <Padroni> a lot of times files are encrypted and I need to decrypt to get to the details.
[11:44] <Jacques_Stry> Nice :) me likes puzzles
[11:47] <Jacques_Stry> **** telkom
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> Want to get another dsl line installed at work
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> so I call them
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> and they tell me to email said person
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> so I do
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> That person FW to another and CC's me
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> that person does the same
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> and that person too
[11:48] <Jacques_Stry> wth
[11:49] <Jacques_Stry> does no one feel like working or what?
[11:49] <Jacques_Stry> Welcome CuttingEdge
[11:49] <CuttingEdge> greetings
[11:49] <Padroni> Telkom.
[11:49] <Padroni> Eskom.
[11:50] <Padroni> I'm growing weary of everything ending in ~kom
[11:59] <Jacques_Stry> Thank you for electing Telkom as your Communication service provider
[12:00] <Jacques_Stry> Like I has a choice!
[12:00] <Padroni> jeez
[12:00] <Padroni> sick f*ckers
[12:00] <Padroni> did they actually say that?
[12:00] <Jacques_Stry> Yep
[12:02] <Padroni> adding insult to injury, I see
[12:03] <inetpro> ai!
[12:08] <Padroni> wat nou weer?
[12:08] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[12:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello mr CuttingEdge so nice of you to grace us with your silent presence again :P
[12:12] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: hello to you too :P
[12:13] <inetpro> Padroni: the telkom story
[12:13] <Padroni> ah ok
[12:13] <Padroni> hi CuttingEdge
[12:13] <inetpro> oh hi CuttingEdge, welcome to #ubuntu-za
[12:15] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I guess he's on the edge
[12:15] <CuttingEdge> inetpro: lol
[12:15] <CuttingEdge> perhaps
[12:15] <CuttingEdge> hasn't been a good week so far
[12:15] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[12:16] <CuttingEdge> other than the ex going thermal nuclear on me, not much
[12:17] <inetpro> ai!
[12:17] <CuttingEdge> to those of you that are single: don't ever get married
[12:18] <CuttingEdge> anyway .. moving along swiftly ..
[12:18] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[12:18] <CuttingEdge> ditched the stock windoze install on my office laptop .. now on 14.10 .. runs epic
[12:19] <inetpro> CuttingEdge: take the hammering and be nice to her
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> now ditch that and run debian sid :D
[12:19] <CuttingEdge> boots up 7-10 seconds faster
[12:19] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: i've got jessie on some of my dev 'stuff'
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's not very CuttingEdge
[12:19] <CuttingEdge> lol
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> muhahahaha, perfect joke
[12:20] <Jacques_Stry> Pun intended
[12:23] <Squirm> Padroni: IT Technician/DevOPS
[12:23] <Squirm> sorry, busy day :P
[12:23] <Padroni> so you are into software development?
[12:45] <Squirm> Padroni: nope
[12:45] <Squirm> On the SysAdmin side
[12:45] <Padroni> AH
[12:46] <Squirm> anyone else here having issues with IS?
[12:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> wouldn't know, IS is our backup provider
[12:47] <Squirm> It's our main SIP connection, but a third failover for data
[12:47] <Squirm> So we failed over to our primary fibre, just wondering if anyone else is having issues
[13:05] <inetpro> Kilos: why would you want to put "doesnt ring a bell" at line 32?
[13:05] <inetpro> and at line 37
[13:21] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening. God bless
[13:21] <Padroni> bye mazal
[13:37] <Kilos> lolol
[13:37] <Padroni> ?
[13:37]  * Kilos sept and busy reading scrollback
[13:39] <Kilos> hi cutting edge, welcome to the madhouse
[13:40] <Kilos> slept lekker and happy to see peeps chatting away
[13:41] <Kilos> inetpro  because i cant remember doing that 2 or 3 months ago
[13:41] <Kilos> is the ubuntuza where the prob lies
[13:42] <inetpro> so why do you leave it out now, why not even try to do it again?
[13:42] <inetpro> let alone understand what it's doing
[13:42] <Kilos> slowly im waking up here
[13:43] <Kilos> remember i told you i dont need to install nikola again , its already done
[13:44] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[13:44] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[13:44] <Kilos> ai! and you as usual came with funny things instead of telling me to find that .rfs and install again
[13:45] <Kilos> and
[13:46] <Kilos> tell me please. is that .rfs part of its config
[13:46] <Kilos> not just a readyme files for dodo's
[13:47] <inetpro> 10/02 23:56:51 <inetpro> read, understand, apply your mind and follow instructions carefully
[13:47] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[13:48] <Kilos> lolol
[13:48] <Kilos> its the applying of my mind that causes problems man
[13:48] <Kilos> i need to apply your mind to have success
[13:49]  * Kilos looks around for support
[13:49] <inetpro> tech support all got fired
[13:49] <Kilos> rofl
[13:50] <Kilos> oh my, its so lekker to wake up and start off with laughter
[13:51] <Kilos> goosie ty for being you
[13:59] <Padroni> ok
[13:59] <Padroni> loadshedding
[13:59] <Padroni> I am out for now
[13:59] <Padroni> laters ppl
[13:59] <Kilos> ok later
[14:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> no load shedding for me today yay
[14:00] <Kilos> im scared to even think about it\
[14:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> you get power from eskom direct or municipality?
[14:01] <Kilos> from pta municipality
[14:01] <Kilos> so sometimes it goes off just for the fun of it
[14:01] <Kilos> been fighting them since before loadshedding was dreamed up
[14:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't they have a schedule
[14:02] <Kilos> yes
[14:03] <Kilos> but tech support left
[14:03] <Kilos> so now i just  hope
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't really understand
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have the schedule whats the problem
[14:04] <Kilos> i dont have it , its in history somewhwere
[14:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> no printer?
[14:05] <Kilos> no
[14:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> we got ours in a big A3 poster
[14:05] <Kilos> clever
[14:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice to live in the land of the DA I guess
[14:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: ESKOM Summer Load Shedding Schedules for the City of Tshwane http://www.tshwane.gov.za/Services/Electricity/LoadShedding/LoadShedding.htm
[14:20] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[14:23] <Kilos> wb Wraz
[14:24] <Wraz> Ta 0/
[14:25] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, I think I wanted to tell you last night already
[14:25] <inetpro> a WUI is not a GUI
[14:26] <Kilos> whats a wui
[14:26] <Kilos> window user interface?
[14:26] <Wraz> The oldays When X server didnt come with a WM :P
[14:27] <Wraz> To compile your own :P
[14:27] <inetpro> Maaz: WUI
[14:27] <Maaz> Web User Interface
[14:27] <Wraz> I usually used a mixture of elightenment, gnome and KDE, i just used bits of each.
[14:28] <Kilos> ah you just taught the bot ty
[14:28] <Kilos> i need a greeter bot on ubuntu-africa
[14:29]  * inetpro thought Kilos was the greeter bot
[14:30] <Kilos> other peeps join when im asleep and because of no greeting leave again sigh
[14:30] <Kilos> i had to sleep
[14:34] <Kilos> it seems forgetfulness is a family trait
[14:36] <Kilos> sis bought 2 telkom sim cards at checkers for her bb and tablet but fogot light account so she could rica then
[14:36] <Kilos> them
[14:36] <Kilos> had no internet from this vodacom tower for over 2 months
[14:37] <Kilos> but they have phoned her twice from capetown and said they are working on it, please be patient
[14:37] <Kilos> grrr
[14:50] <Kilos> inetpro  is this an assumption
[14:50] <Kilos> ln -s /path/to/venv/bin/nikola /path/to/ubuntuza-site/nikola
[14:50] <Kilos> ln -s /path/to/venv/bin/nikola /path/to/ubuntu-za-site/nikola
[14:51] <Kilos> or is the first one right?
[14:51] <inetpro> ai!
[14:52] <Kilos> well i dont want to bother you later again because it doesnt work
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[14:54] <Kilos> ty
[14:57] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:00] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe this will help as well?
[15:00] <inetpro> http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/unix1.html
[15:03] <inetpro> oh and obviously
[15:03] <inetpro> man ln
[15:03] <Kilos> ai!
[15:04] <Kilos> none of that explains my question that i can understand
[15:04] <Kilos> unless the eventual ubuntu-za is another dir in the ubuntuza one
[15:04] <inetpro> this is serious basics man
[15:04] <Kilos> i agree its very serious
[15:05] <inetpro> who can has the patience to explain such basics?
[15:06] <Kilos> no need to explain just say if the ubuntuza is right or not
[15:06] <inetpro> none of teh above is correct
[15:06] <inetpro> the*
[15:06] <Kilos> its in the rst file so must be right right?
[15:07] <Kilos> its not something i mistyped in?
[15:07] <inetpro> the instruction assumes you know the basic knowledge of working with files and folders on any computer
[15:07] <Kilos> ai!
[15:08] <Kilos> i can drag/drop files very well
[15:09] <Kilos> and sometimes use cp or rsync but as you know most of the basics is beyond my ken
[15:09] <Kilos> as are man pages
[15:10] <Kilos> only thing ive found in man that was correct was -c for wget
[15:13] <Kilos> aha
[15:13] <Kilos> nikola build gives
[15:14] <Kilos> ‘/path/to/ubuntuza-site/nikola’: No such file or directory
[15:14] <Kilos> so it must be ubuntu-za
[15:14] <inetpro> obviously
[15:14] <Kilos> ai!
[15:15] <inetpro> Kilos: man man
[15:15] <inetpro> can you do that for one moment please
[15:15] <Kilos> ya sec
[15:16] <inetpro> you see at the top it says NAME?
[15:17] <Kilos> yes
[15:17] <inetpro> what follows that is a quick reference of the relevant command
[15:17] <inetpro> or manual entry
[15:17] <inetpro> then comes SYNOPSIS
[15:18] <Kilos> yes thats the hard part
[15:18] <inetpro> now forget for a moment the actual gibberish
[15:18] <Kilos> oh yay
[15:18] <inetpro> then comes DESCRIPTION
[15:18] <inetpro> you want to read the DESCRIPTION!!!!
[15:19] <inetpro> usually
[15:19] <inetpro> at least some of it
[15:19] <Kilos> ok
[15:19] <inetpro> then there are EXAMPLES
[15:19] <inetpro> and OVERVIEW
[15:19] <inetpro> and DEFAULTS
[15:20] <inetpro> EXIT STATUS
[15:20] <Kilos> ai!
[15:20] <inetpro> ENVIRONMENT
[15:20] <inetpro> FILES
[15:20] <inetpro> SEE ALSO
[15:20] <inetpro> HISTORY
[15:20] <inetpro> in short.... a massive load of information
[15:21] <inetpro> please try to read some of it at least!!!
[15:21] <Kilos> too much
[15:21] <Kilos> ok i will
[15:21] <inetpro> then go to man ln
[15:26] <inetpro> Kilos: oh another thing
[15:26] <Kilos> ai!
[15:26] <inetpro> when you are inside a man page, have you ever looked at the line at the bottom?
[15:26] <inetpro> Manual page man(1) line 1 (press h for help or q to quit)
[15:27] <Kilos> ya i like the q option
[15:27] <inetpro> more specifically "press h for help"
[15:27] <Kilos> lol
[15:27] <inetpro> no, I'm serious!?
[15:27] <Kilos> yes i know
[15:28] <inetpro> the help is very valuable
[15:28] <Kilos> it is mostly too technical for me to understand sir
[15:28] <inetpro> you see, there's your first problem
[15:28] <inetpro> you're putting up a big wall in front of you
[15:29] <inetpro> assuming it is too technical
[15:29] <inetpro> it really isn't
[15:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:29]  * Kilos reads more on man
[15:30] <inetpro> are on teh help page now?
[15:30] <Kilos> no looking at man ln
[15:30] <inetpro> press h
[15:32] <Kilos> the ^ is ctrl key right?
[15:32] <inetpro> yep
[15:33] <Kilos> yay
[15:33] <inetpro> you can not possibly remember everything you read in a man page
[15:33] <inetpro> it is thus very important to know how you can move around efficiently in  the man pages
[15:33] <Kilos> ok
[15:35] <Kilos> oo yay q took me back to man ln
[15:35] <Kilos> ln makes links between files
[15:41] <Kilos> a relative link is interpreted in relation to  its
[15:41] <Kilos>        parent directory.
[15:41] <Kilos> so i need to run nikola build in its parent dir
[15:42] <Kilos> or the ubuntu-za one
[15:42] <Kilos> that sounds more like it
[15:46] <Kilos> ai! still get errors
[15:47]  * inetpro goes to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za-dev/ubuntu-za/website/view/head:/README.rst
[15:47] <inetpro> again
[15:48] <inetpro> Kilos: did you do line 29?
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos?
[15:50] <inetpro> ai!
[15:51] <Kilos> sorry had to go lock up sheep
[15:52] <Kilos> yes i did virtualenv --system-site-packages venv in ~/Projects
[15:52] <Kilos> oh 29
[15:53] <Kilos> yes
[15:56] <Kilos> but dont forget nikola was installed some months back
[15:56] <Kilos> ./venv/bin/pip install --upgrade nikola i have done as well now
[15:56] <Kilos> maybe a purge nikola and start over would help
[15:57] <Kilos> something in the first install must be wrong
[16:07] <Kilos> oh wait
[16:08] <Kilos> its in creating the link that the prob is because there is no ubuntuza-site in Projects
[16:09] <Kilos> only ubuntu-za and venv folders
[16:10] <Kilos> and ubuntu-za is underlined?
[16:23] <Kilos> now i need to know if you look in your projects folder if you see ubuntuza-site there please inetpro
[16:33] <Kilos> somewhere i went wrong in bzr then i think
[16:43] <Kilos> oh oh oh
[16:43] <Kilos> please someone kick pe
[16:43] <Kilos> me too
[16:46]  * Kilos and the pathto prob
[16:47] <Kilos> die ligte is aan maar daar is niemand tuis
[17:00] <inetpro> ai!
[17:02] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me what you are doing wrong
[17:02] <Kilos> the paths
[17:02] <Kilos>  ln -s /home/Projects/venv/bin/nikola /home/Projects/ubuntu-za/nikola
[17:03] <Kilos> still not right
[17:03] <Kilos> ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/home/Projects/ubuntu-za/nikola’: No such file or directory
[17:03] <inetpro> uh
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: rtfs\
[17:03] <Maaz> inetpro: Huh?
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: rtfs
[17:03] <Maaz> Read the Freaking Source/Spec/Screen
[17:04] <Kilos> sjoe ive read my head to break point
[17:04] <inetpro> does it not tell you exactly what is wrong?
[17:04] <Kilos> thought i had it
[17:04] <Kilos> yes it cant find ubuntu-za
[17:04] <Kilos> but i can see the folder
[17:04] <inetpro> No such file or directory
[17:05] <inetpro> no you can not
[17:05] <inetpro> pwd
[17:05] <Kilos> in Projects i can see ubuntu-za and venc and a nikola thing
[17:05] <Kilos> venv
[17:05] <inetpro> pwd
[17:06] <Kilos> ai! ai! ai! sorry sir
[17:06] <Kilos> forgot me
[17:06] <Kilos>   /home/miles/Projects
[17:06] <inetpro> exactly
[17:06] <Kilos> ty for the patience
[17:07] <Kilos> i been called to eat but im sorry for the hassle i cause you
[17:07] <Kilos> wbb
[17:07] <inetpro> you're welcome
[17:19] <captine> evening all
[17:21] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:03] <superfly> evening
[18:03] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:15] <inetpro> welcome back captine
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: and?
[18:16] <Kilos> whew
[18:16] <inetpro> wat whew jy so?
[18:16] <Kilos> i still get some errors but just done all the nikola render_stuff
[18:17] <Kilos> some of them just say done others print lots with some error stuff grrr
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: what was you ln line in the end?
[18:20] <Kilos> let me try find that
[18:20] <Kilos> oh that
[18:20] <Kilos> i think it just went to prompt
[18:21] <Kilos> not sure if it said done
[18:21] <Kilos> thats many miles of konsole lines back
[18:21] <Kilos> you have to work this in 2 konsoles right
[18:22] <Kilos> i have one running nikola serve
[18:22] <inetpro> history
[18:24] <Kilos> eish now where does one find that
[18:25] <Kilos> i looked by all file edit view etc
[18:25] <inetpro> type 'history' and PRESS ENTER
[18:25] <Kilos> oh
[18:25] <inetpro> in fact, before type history do the following
[18:25] <inetpro> export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%b/%d %T '
[18:26] <inetpro> now type history and ENTER again
[18:26] <inetpro> wb clr
[18:26] <Kilos> hi clr
[18:26] <clr> hey
[18:27] <clr> I must say I am impressed with my adsl procurement experience
[18:27] <Kilos> so inetpro  where is it exported to?
[18:27] <clr> I ordered a router from Webantics Monday night, it was delivered the next day at 1pm
[18:28] <Kilos> i can slexy what i see
[18:28] <clr> I ordered an adsl combo deal from Axxess, and when I got home today, I was connected
[18:28] <Kilos> wow
[18:29] <clr> Only thing now is for Telkom to supply electricity do this DSLAM box, and I can be on 40mbps
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: where is it exported to?
[18:29] <inetpro> what?
[18:29] <inetpro> oh HISTTIMEFORMAT?
[18:29] <Kilos> '%b/%d %T '
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <inetpro> that is just an environment variable
[18:30] <Kilos> you putting too much too fast
[18:30] <inetpro> exportedt to global environment
[18:30] <Kilos> eish clr
[18:31] <stickyboy> Kilos: Common language runtime?
[18:32] <Kilos> eish where is that global environment
[18:34] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[18:35] <Kilos> im being terrorised here
[18:36] <stickyboy> I'm filing issues in the Nairobi GNU/Linux Users Group blog GitHub repository.
[18:36] <stickyboy> https://github.com/nairobilug/nairobilug.or.ke/issues
[18:42] <captine> so...  i hate redoing machines... mac 2.4ghz dual core with 4 gig ddr2 ram and 500gig 7200rpm drive and intel GMA x3100 graphics sharing 144mb...  best ubuntu flavour for looking good and performance.  Gnome and Unity are my favourite,  and thinking of trying gnome... but dont want to have to re-do etc..  Kilos, you think this is good for kubuntu?  or should i go straight to lubuntu or xubuntu
[18:43] <captine> clr: nice that things getting there
[18:43] <Kilos> ya should run kde fine but not as fast as the x gui
[18:44] <Kilos> my pc is 3g with 4g ddr3 and not bad
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: did you see the history
[18:44] <inetpro> ?
[18:44] <Kilos> yes in the cli but not that other thing
[18:44] <inetpro> did you see the difference between before and after the HISTTIMEFORMAT?
[18:46] <Kilos> yes date and time added
[18:46] <inetpro> mooi
[18:46] <inetpro> other thing?
[18:47] <inetpro> bye clr
[18:48] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2VmJqGoHJ
[18:49] <inetpro> mooi
[18:49] <inetpro> nou kan ek sien wat hy heeldag gedoen het :-)
[18:49] <Kilos> lol and thats one konsole
[18:49] <inetpro> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> had 5 going at one time
[18:50] <inetpro> did the pip install happen without errors?
[18:51] <Kilos> ya\
[18:51] <Kilos> pip worked fine
[18:52] <inetpro> ok, that is important
[18:52] <Kilos> i have one console running nikola serve now but can ctrl+c that for you too
[18:54] <stickyboy> Kilos: Ah, you're learning how to host the Ubuntu ZA site locally?
[18:54] <stickyboy> w00t
[18:55] <stickyboy> I hope you guys are using pyenv-virtualenv instead of raw pip.
[18:55] <Kilos> yeah but somehwere i did something wrong
[18:55] <Kilos> we follow the fly stickyboy  he is a python pro
[18:56] <Kilos> and we are using venv ya
[18:57] <stickyboy> Kilos: w00t
[18:58] <stickyboy> Kilos: But pyenv or plain virtualenv?
[18:58] <stickyboy> pyenv slays alllllllllll.
[18:58] <Kilos> superfly  tell him please
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: what happens when you do the following
[18:58] <inetpro> ?
[18:59] <inetpro> nikola version
[18:59] <inetpro> vs
[18:59] <inetpro> ./nikola version
[18:59] <Kilos> 7.3
[18:59] <superfly> stickyboy: virtualenv. pyenv is a different use-case
[18:59] <Kilos> i saw that somewhere
[19:02] <Kilos> ai! ./nikola: No such file or directory
[19:02] <Kilos> its in virtual somewhere
[19:03] <Kilos> Nikola v7.3.0
[19:03] <Kilos> wb clr
[19:05] <inetpro> you see superfly, this softlink of yours is causing more hassles
[19:05] <stickyboy> superfly: pyenv virtualenv nikola
[19:05] <stickyboy> superfly: pyenv activate nikola
[19:05] <stickyboy> boom
[19:05] <stickyboy> pyenv > *
[19:05]  * inetpro prefers to do
[19:05] <inetpro> . venv/bin/activate
[19:05] <stickyboy> superfly: All the python hipsters switched to pyenv like forever ago. ;)
[19:05] <inetpro> in stead of creating the soft link
[19:05] <stickyboy> inetpro: Wow, do you live in 1999? :P
[19:06] <superfly> stickyboy: I'm not a hipster, and I prefer it that way
[19:06] <inetpro> oh, I see stickyboy
[19:06] <stickyboy> https://github.com/alanorth/nairobilug.or.ke/blob/9e8ec6fb9240b03dea74dada1a6d3a0af752057b/README.md
[19:07] <inetpro> stickyboy: why 1999?
[19:07] <stickyboy> Check out our blog's install instructions.
[19:07] <stickyboy> inetpro: virtualenv is oldschool.  ;)  Aka, I'm a hipster. NEWER IS BETTAR. ;)
[19:08] <superfly> stickyboy: evidently
[19:08]  * inetpro working on an old slow laptop
[19:08] <Kilos> ok it went back to prompt so did something
[19:09] <inetpro> trying to catch up with kilos by installing all the needed
[19:09] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah, the . just "sources" the activation script, which sets a bunch of environment variables..
[19:09]  * superfly is typing on a Debian box. He prefers to stay in the "dark" ages, when everything was solid
[19:09] <Kilos> ok
[19:09] <stickyboy> superfly: To be fair, I'm on a Mac, but I intalled all the GNU userland. I can't stand BSD coreutils.
[19:09] <inetpro> getting many errors on a relative clean environment
[19:09] <superfly> "newer is better!" of course, with all the bugs :-P
[19:10] <superfly> inetpro: then you're doing it wrong :-P
[19:10] <inetpro> haha
[19:10] <Kilos> :)
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: /me is always a newbie
[19:11] <inetpro> always willing to learn the new ways
[19:12]  * Kilos head tired of learning new stuff to forget
[19:12] <Kilos> the path issue is an old one
[19:12]  * inetpro remembers having to fix these issues last time... thought the fly had it covered in the doc
[19:13] <Kilos> i also saw somewhere that nikola is using python 2.7
[19:13] <inetpro> specifically having to install libzzip-dev
[19:13] <inetpro> I think
[19:13] <Kilos> i just want to make one site, or maybe 2 then done with this hard work
[19:14] <inetpro> or something about libz
[19:15] <Kilos> installing libzzip-0-13{a} libzzip-dev
[19:16] <Kilos> didnt you keep notes inetpro  ?
[19:16] <Kilos> look in history
[19:16]  * Kilos hides
[19:16] <stickyboy> Where is the source? Can I build it too?
[19:17] <inetpro> stickyboy: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-za
[19:17] <inetpro> that's the code
[19:18] <inetpro> https://ubuntu-za.org/bazaar-tutorial.html
[19:18] <inetpro> that is the tutorial
[19:21] <stickyboy> inetpro: Sweet.
[19:21] <Kilos> inetpro  must i stop nikola serv and start again?
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: not really
[19:22] <inetpro> sorry... just inbetween multiple issues here as well
[19:22] <Kilos> np
[19:23] <inetpro> stickyboy: the Nikola stuff is in the README.rst file
[19:24] <stickyboy> Oooh, I didn't even know I had bzr installed. :P
[19:25] <Kilos> haha
[19:25] <stickyboy> Never used it.
[19:25] <stickyboy> I git like a bawss, though.
[19:27] <inetpro> stickyboy: don't tell superfly
[19:29] <inetpro> clr bye, again
[19:29] <Kilos> the new link isnt too stable it seems
[19:29] <Kilos> or maybe he is still load shedding
[19:29] <inetpro> yay!
[19:29] <inetpro> Successfully installed nikola lxml python-dateutil mako setuptools doit Pygments Pillow six MarkupSafe pyinotify
[19:29] <Kilos> what?
[19:30] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:30] <inetpro> [2015-02-11T19:30:04Z] WARNING: Nikola: In order to USE_BUNDLES, you must install the "webassets" Python package.
[19:30] <inetpro> [2015-02-11T19:30:04Z] WARNING: bundles: Setting USE_BUNDLES to False.
[19:30] <superfly> inetpro: don't worry about that
[19:30] <stickyboy> Got it working in 5 commands total (including bzr branch!): https://imgur.com/rZukrBu
[19:30] <stickyboy> w00t?
[19:31] <Kilos> well done stickyboy  i been trying for 2 days
[19:31] <inetpro> stickyboy: yep, on my previous laptop it was about as quick as that
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: 2 days?
[19:32] <stickyboy> inetpro: Mac OS X FTW!
[19:32] <Kilos> ya yesterday and today
[19:32] <stickyboy> inetpro: (joking about Mac OS X FTW btw)
[19:32] <Kilos> path issues was something i missed
[19:32] <inetpro> uh, what about all the other days?
[19:32]  * inetpro ignores stickyboy
[19:32] <Kilos> oh them 2 ya
[19:32] <Kilos> haha
[19:33]  * stickyboy continues writing blog post about extra-judicial killings by police in Kenya.
[19:33] <inetpro> ai!
[19:33] <Kilos> ai!
[19:33] <Kilos> aw look my numbers
[19:36] <stickyboy> inetpro: Yah, a video surfaced on YouTube of some police shooting criminals in the head, in the street, in broad daylight.
[19:36] <stickyboy> Ironically, on the street, outside where we meet for our LUG meetups.
[19:47] <captine> lol.  stickyboy I am beating my head trying to get a usb to boot on my old intel mac... to install ubuntu as osx not supported on my 32bit macbook...  I plan to only buy lenovo going forward......
[19:55] <Kilos> captine  does it want to boot from dvd rather
[19:55] <Kilos> iaqns lappy is like that but it aint a mac
[19:55] <Kilos> refuses to boot from usb
[19:55] <captine> i think it would work from dvd best.  issue is, there is a cd stuck in it... so cannot work... lol
[19:55] <captine> let me get the screwdriver
[19:55] <Kilos> wait
[19:55] <Kilos> there is a small hole in the cover
[19:56] <Kilos> near the open button
[19:56] <Kilos> just above it actually
[19:57] <Kilos> get a paper clip the put on banknotes , staightent it and push in the hole till it opens
[19:57] <Kilos> straighten
[19:57] <captine> negative.  no hole on macbook.
[19:57] <Kilos> you will break it with a screwdriver
[19:57] <Kilos> it locks inside
[19:57] <stickyboy> captine: How "stuck" is the CD?
[19:58] <stickyboy> If you boot while clicking the mouse (pressing trackpad) it will try to eject.
[19:58] <captine> well.  it is in. and wont come out.  and os doesnt see it
[19:58] <Kilos> no eject option anywhere
[19:58] <stickyboy> This is the first Mac I've owned in 10 years, but I booted Fedora live CD on it by booting up holding Option I think
[19:59] <captine> yip.  newer macs work well.  using option doesnt pick up the usb on this one... so need to get the cd drive working
[20:01] <Kilos> macs are stubborn things looks like
[20:01]  * Kilos must get to look at one one day
[20:01] <Kilos> strange they dont put the tiny hole there
[20:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[20:01] <magespawn> hi
[20:02] <Kilos> captine  then you will most likely find the drive is encrypted too
[20:02] <Kilos> ai!
[20:03] <Kilos> clr  wb
[20:04] <Kilos> you got different ip now
[20:04] <magespawn> whats wrong with the drive Kilos
[20:04] <Kilos> they cant get the dvd to open magespawn
[20:05] <Kilos> but he wants to put ubuntu on it
[20:05] <magespawn> is there a disk in the drive?
[20:05] <Kilos> ya cd
[20:06] <Kilos> and mac dont see usb boot stick
[20:06] <Kilos> now he is using a hammer and chisel sounds like
[20:06] <Kilos> hehe
[20:06] <magespawn> there is away to get the disk out, i forget how, but it is a specific set of key strokes
[20:07] <Kilos> who told you or where did you find it out
[20:07] <Kilos> try remember
[20:07] <magespawn> i saw somebody do it once
[20:08] <captine> magespawn: yip.  disk in.  trying some things from apple.com.
[20:08] <magespawn> also on the old machines they do have that hole
[20:08] <captine> cannot put a disk in, so assume there is one stuck
[20:08] <captine> dont see any holes
[20:08] <Kilos> its tiny
[20:09] <Kilos> hard to see without glasses
[20:09] <magespawn> just big enough to get a thin paper clip in
[20:10] <Kilos> so much easier discussing hardware
[20:11] <magespawn> it is always easier to discuss what you know
[20:11] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <Kilos> the pro has been terrorising me with rtfs stuff
[20:12] <Kilos> and man stuff
[20:12] <Kilos> and man man
[20:12] <Kilos> ai!
[20:14] <magespawn> captine: maybe this will help https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3996208?tstart=0
[20:14] <captine> yip.  been trying that
[20:16] <magespawn> i do not have a lot of experience with mac, but i know with laptops and pc the timing has to be spot on sometimes or it does not work
[20:16] <captine> werid.  the mechanism was stuck.  managed to shove cardboard in and fiddle.  now distk is going in
[20:16] <Kilos> wow
[20:17] <captine> so there wasnt a disk in... it just wouldnt allow a disk to go in
[20:17] <magespawn> when did you last use the drive?
[20:17] <Kilos> is it a standar kind of sata dvd?
[20:17] <Kilos> standard
[20:18] <Kilos> if it is them dvds are quite cheap
[20:18] <Kilos> about R170
[20:18] <captine> it is on laptop and is one without a tray eg. like a car.  you push the cd in.
[20:18] <Kilos> ai!
[20:19] <captine> the pain is it is a core 2 duo so is 64bit chip, but apple decided to restrict it to 32bit only though their efi/bios system
[20:19] <captine> hence cannot upgrade to a supported apple OS, and going to go with lnux
[20:20] <magespawn> anyway of getting past the bios? maybe a flash of the chip?
[20:20] <Kilos> cant you even do a bios update
[20:25] <inetpro> ok guys, sorry for taking so long
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: http://slexy.org/view/s2ZFmItKHd
[20:25] <inetpro> that ^^ is my short and quick version
[20:25] <Kilos> lemme see
[20:25] <Kilos> (venv)miles@P64:~/Projects/ubuntu-za$ ./nikola build
[20:25] <Kilos> [2015-02-11T20:24:16Z] ERROR: Nikola: This command needs to run inside an existing Nikola site.
[20:25] <inetpro> Explanations will have to follow another day
[20:25] <Kilos> i cant get that to work anywhere
[20:26] <inetpro> start a new terminal and do my version
[20:27] <Kilos> trying now
[20:28] <inetpro> clear or rename the existing Projects folder
[20:28] <inetpro> vi ~/.bashrc
[20:29] <inetpro> the instructions for the ~/.bashrc are on that page from alanorth
[20:29] <Kilos> eek
[20:29] <inetpro> eek!?
[20:29] <Kilos> that is a frighteneing thing
[20:30] <inetpro> err... from stickyboy
[20:30] <inetpro> no man
[20:32] <inetpro> you putting a wall again?
[20:32] <captine> magespawn: no idea.
[20:32] <captine> jut going to use 32bit
[20:32] <inetpro> oh and superfly, I messed up
[20:32]  * inetpro missed the # in Kilos' instructions
[20:32] <Kilos> oh i just copy/paste those commands into vi
[20:32] <magespawn> inetpro: stupid question; why are we doing this?
[20:32] <inetpro> magespawn: to get the ubuntu-za site working locally
[20:32] <inetpro> magespawn: so that you can test and see the result before you start modifying again
[20:33] <magespawn> ahh right
[20:33] <inetpro> and then
[20:33] <magespawn> i have a webserver running locally anyway
[20:33] <inetpro> mr Kilos would like to clone the site for his Africa project
[20:34] <superfly> Kilos: have you tried moving into your "trunk" directory?>
[20:34] <Kilos> yessir
[20:35] <Kilos> even there the build command doesnt work
[20:36] <Kilos> eish
[20:37] <Kilos> that vi thing sucks
[20:37] <Kilos> copy/paste leaves stuff out
[20:37] <Kilos> ant touch scroll on mouse and all disappears
[20:37] <jibu> Kilos: What?
[20:37] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[20:37] <Kilos> oh my
[20:38] <Kilos> s/ant/and
[20:38] <magespawn> if you are using vi there is no need for a mouse
[20:38] <Kilos> type git and only see a t
[20:39] <inetpro> ai!
[20:39] <inetpro> Kilos: forget vi
[20:39] <Kilos> yay
[20:39] <magespawn> lol
[20:39] <inetpro> you should know by now
[20:43] <Kilos> cli?
[20:47] <captine> i cannot get used to vi or vim... nano is my tool :)
[20:47] <Kilos-> lol
[20:47] <Kilos-> those other things suck
[20:48]  * stickyboy rolls up his sleeve and shows his vim tattoo.
[20:48] <captine> stickyboy: lol
[20:48] <magespawn900> i must admit i do like vim
[20:49] <magespawn900> going to give emacs a go at some point
[20:49] <inetpro> Kilos-: vi is just another editor
[20:49] <Kilos-> yaya
[20:50] <inetpro> hmm... he also got disconnected?
[20:50] <Kilos-> im back
[20:50] <Kilos-> dunno what disconnected me
[20:50] <inetpro> something went wriong with Telkom mobile there
[20:50] <Kilos-> ya
[20:50]  * inetpro also got kicked off the network
[20:51] <Kilos-> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pyenv-virtualenv
[20:51] <Kilos-> and pip gives similar
[20:51] <inetpro> Kilos-: so please just use your editor of choice and add those lines at the end of the file
[20:52] <inetpro> pip gives similar what?
[20:52] <Kilos-> so its sudo nano ~/.bashrc
[20:53] <inetpro> net soos jy wil
[20:53] <Kilos-> pip says
[20:53] <Kilos-> Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement pyenv-virtualenv
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos-, Kilos-, Kilos-
[20:54] <Kilos-> but it install pyenv
[20:54] <Kilos-> yes yes
[20:54] <inetpro> did you do the .basrc thingymajig?
[20:54] <magespawn900> one more yes
[20:54] <Kilos-> yes
[20:54] <Kilos-> sorry
[20:54] <inetpro> bashrc as well
[20:54] <inetpro> and the sourcing?
[20:55] <magespawn900> oui we are already onto thingymajigs
[20:55] <Kilos-> i started at the top on the link
[20:55] <Kilos-> rofl
[20:55] <inetpro> you did it wrong then
[20:55] <Kilos-> https://github.com/alanorth/nairobilug.or.ke/blob/9e8ec6fb9240b03dea74dada1a6d3a0af752057b/README.md
[20:56] <Kilos-> i went there
[20:56] <Kilos-> i always do it wrong
[20:57] <stickyboy> Man, I've been downloading the Bitcoin blockchain foreveerrrrrrr.
[20:57] <inetpro> it says:
[20:57] <inetpro> Add the following snippet to your shell's init script, ie ~/.bashrc
[20:57] <Kilos-> when the africa site is working im only going to irc and pidgin for a while
[20:57] <inetpro> snippet starting with
[20:57] <inetpro> # Enable pyenv
[20:57] <inetpro> and ending with
[20:57] <inetpro> fi
[20:57] <Kilos-> ya i see that
[20:58] <Kilos->  lemme nano it
[20:59] <inetpro> did you do the git cloning stuffs?
[20:59] <Kilos-> there is nothing in that page at all
[20:59] <Kilos-> so where is the end
[20:59] <inetpro> aijajai!
[20:59] <Kilos-> i told you they didnt work
[21:00] <inetpro> so you messed up your good old ~/.bashrc?
[21:00] <Kilos-> ai! maybe with that vi thing
[21:00] <inetpro> man where's that grease bucket?
[21:00] <Kilos-> but there i saw only at the bottom something about new file
[21:01] <Kilos-> its you
[21:01] <inetpro> now please go and hunt for a backup copy of that file
[21:01] <stickyboy> cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/
[21:01] <stickyboy> :D
[21:01]  * inetpro doesn't drive the keyboard of his machine
[21:01] <Kilos-> instead of saying look at the path you give link after link and man and man man
[21:02] <inetpro> stickyboy: thanks you
[21:02]  * inetpro was still thinking about that
[21:02] <inetpro> Kilos-: ^^
[21:03] <Kilos-> cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/ done
[21:03] <inetpro> mooi!
[21:03] <inetpro> now go nano the thing again
[21:03] <Kilos-> ok
[21:03] <inetpro> what a terrible word for a editor?
[21:03] <Kilos-> yay lotsa stuff now
[21:04] <inetpro> gaan by die einde oom
[21:04]  * Kilos- loves nano
[21:04] <inetpro> maak 'n nuwe lyn aan die einde
[21:04] <inetpro> en plak die goed van nairobi daar
[21:05] <Kilos-> done
[21:05] <stickyboy> wee ongea kiengireza, sielewi Afrikaans!
[21:05] <Kilos-> lol
[21:05] <inetpro> nou gaan voort met my lyn 13
[21:06] <inetpro> Kilos-: asb let op oom... daar is 'n punt spasie punt
[21:06] <Kilos-> .bashrc command not found
[21:06] <inetpro> ai!
[21:07] <inetpro> ok ok
[21:07] <inetpro> my fout
[21:07] <Kilos-> ok that worked
[21:07] <inetpro> . ~/bashrc
[21:07] <Kilos-> didnt see the first .
[21:07] <stickyboy> inetpro: Maybe we should start using "source" instead of "."; lots of people seem to get confused. :D
[21:08] <stickyboy> (or think it's a typo)
[21:08] <Kilos-> bash: /home/miles/bashrc: No such file or directory
[21:08] <inetpro> oops again
[21:08] <inetpro> . ~/.bashrc
[21:08] <inetpro> stickyboy: yes and no
[21:08] <inetpro> we've been here before
[21:08] <Kilos-> that double point thing worked so whats with this other stuff here now
[21:08] <inetpro> he should know now
[21:09] <captine> night
[21:09] <Kilos-> night captine
[21:09] <inetpro> captine: goeie nag
[21:09] <Kilos-> inetpro  ping
[21:09] <inetpro> Kilos-: pong
[21:09] <Kilos-> can i carry on with you paste
[21:09] <inetpro> what is done is done man
[21:09] <Kilos-> after the first double point thing
[21:09] <inetpro> line 14
[21:10] <stickyboy> inetpro: "he should know now" LOL. :)
[21:10] <stickyboy> Glad everyone is patient. :P
[21:10] <stickyboy> Props to Kilos to trying over and over.
[21:10] <Kilos-> ai!
[21:10] <inetpro> :-)
[21:10] <Kilos-> No command 'pyenv' found, did you mean:
[21:10] <Kilos->  Command 'p7env' from package 'libnss3-tools' (main)
[21:10] <inetpro> ai!
[21:11] <inetpro> Kilos-: nee oom!!!
[21:11] <inetpro> you did it wrong again
[21:11] <Kilos-> ai!
[21:11] <inetpro> Kilos-: did you do teh git cloning?
[21:11] <inetpro> the*
[21:11] <Kilos-> no i told you it didnt work
[21:11] <inetpro> no
[21:12] <inetpro> I didn't see that
[21:12] <inetpro> git clone https://github.com/yyuu/pyenv.git ~/.pyenv
[21:12] <inetpro> what you get from that?
[21:12] <Kilos-> oh wait
[21:12] <Kilos-> i did the first one with pip
[21:12] <inetpro> stop'
[21:13]  * Kilos- stops
[21:13] <inetpro> we're not talking about pip yet here oom kilos
[21:13] <inetpro> pip comes laters
[21:13] <Kilos-> ok
[21:13] <inetpro> git clone https://github.com/yyuu/pyenv.git ~/.pyenv
[21:13] <stickyboy> What does "oom" mean? Is that Afrikaans?
[21:13] <inetpro> stickyboy: like uncle
[21:14] <Kilos-> now its working
[21:14] <inetpro> Kilos-: git clone https://github.com/yyuu/pyenv-virtualenv.git ~/.pyenv/plugins/pyenv-virtualenv
[21:14] <Kilos-> done
[21:15] <inetpro> sorry stickyboy, didn't realise you speak no Afrikaans
[21:15] <Kilos-> stickyboy  im their father
[21:15] <inetpro> pyenv virtualenv Nikola
[21:15] <Kilos-> and grandfather to most
[21:16] <Kilos-> No command 'pyenv' found, did you mean:
[21:16] <Kilos->  Command 'p7env' from package 'libnss3-tools' (main)
[21:16] <stickyboy> Ah, it's like a term of respect.
[21:16] <stickyboy> Kilos-: After the clone, re-launch your shell.
[21:16] <Kilos-> ya thats why they dont kick/ban me
[21:16] <inetpro> or do the source thing again
[21:16] <stickyboy> Kilos-: pyenv has to "activate"
[21:16] <inetpro> stickyboy: true
[21:16] <Kilos-> ok
[21:17] <inetpro> Kilos-: source ~/.bashrc
[21:17] <Kilos-> ok
[21:17] <inetpro> pyenv virtualenv Nikola
[21:18] <inetpro> stickyboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_slang_words
[21:18] <Kilos-> Successfully installed pip-6.0.8
[21:18] <stickyboy> Kilos-: You da man!
[21:18] <inetpro> YAY!!! ]o/
[21:18] <Kilos-> lol
[21:18] <inetpro> oops
[21:18] <inetpro> \o/
[21:19] <stickyboy> Way ta go, bru!
[21:19] <stickyboy> (see? I know slang)
[21:19] <inetpro> next line oom!
[21:19] <Kilos-> ty
[21:19] <Kilos-> go
[21:19] <Kilos-> oh
[21:19]  * stickyboy dated a South African girl for a few years.
[21:19] <Kilos-> ill go find it
[21:19] <stickyboy> pyenv activate Nikola
[21:20] <Kilos-> Nikola version 6.2.1
[21:20] <inetpro> go on
[21:21] <inetpro> did you do line 17 yet?
[21:21] <inetpro> stickyboy: I guess the pyenv called Nikola could be very confusing here
[21:22] <inetpro> Kilos-: did you do line 17 yet?
[21:22] <Kilos-> on 18 now
[21:22] <inetpro> what are you getting for nikola version now?
[21:22] <Kilos-> Running setup.py install for lxml
[21:22] <Kilos-> ?
[21:23] <inetpro> line 18 is bzr man
[21:23] <Kilos-> prompt changed
[21:23] <Kilos-> (Nikola)miles@P64:~$
[21:23] <inetpro> pragtig!
[21:23] <stickyboy> Kilos-: (Nikola) ???
[21:23] <stickyboy> Nice.
[21:24] <stickyboy> inetpro: Yah, the relationship between the virtualenv's name and the nikola package is ... tricky.
[21:24] <inetpro> nikola version
[21:24] <inetpro> Kilos-: nikola version
[21:24] <Kilos-> patience
[21:24] <stickyboy> inetpro: perhaps a better name for the virtual environment would be "ubuntu-za-site" or something.
[21:25] <Kilos-> Nikola version 6.2.1
[21:25] <inetpro> stickyboy: yep, but not a problem really
[21:25] <Kilos-> didnt go get 7.3
[21:25] <inetpro> hmm... serious?
[21:25] <inetpro> Kilos-: hang on
[21:25] <Kilos-> ok
[21:25] <inetpro> are you running nikola on a different terminal
[21:25] <inetpro> ?
[21:25] <Kilos-> nope
[21:26] <inetpro> uh!?
[21:26] <inetpro> serious!?
[21:26] <Kilos-> ya was going down your list all from one terminal
[21:26] <inetpro> no no no
[21:26] <Kilos-> ai!
[21:27] <stickyboy> Hitting the sack, d00ds and d00dettes.
[21:27] <Kilos-> cheers stickyboy  ty
[21:27] <inetpro> Kilos-: after having done 'pip install --upgrade nikola' what does it report now for the version on the same session
[21:27] <inetpro> stickyboy: appreciate your help
[21:28] <Kilos-> Nikola version 6.2.1
[21:28] <inetpro> kan nie wees nie oom
[21:28] <Kilos-> also same from another terminal
[21:28] <inetpro> dan weer iets verkeerd
[21:28] <Kilos-> ai!
[21:28] <Kilos-> but how and why
[21:29] <inetpro> jy seker jy vertel ons alles wat jy sien?
[21:29] <Kilos-> lol ya man
[21:29] <inetpro> :-(
[21:29] <Kilos-> lets do the nikola update command again
[21:29] <inetpro> hmm....
[21:30] <Kilos-> and lets verify where i must be
[21:30] <Kilos-> in ubuntu-za
[21:31] <Kilos-> pip install --upgrade nikola
[21:31] <Kilos-> running
[21:31] <Kilos-> hi Neo31
[21:32] <inetpro> Kilos-: updated version: http://slexy.org/view/s21YN3JoeC
[21:32] <Kilos-> Nikola version 6.2.1
[21:33]  * inetpro will have to go crash
[21:33] <Kilos-> go sleep sir. ty very much
[21:33] <inetpro> good night
[21:52] <Neo31> hi
[21:54] <Kilos-> w00000t
[21:54] <Kilos-> at last
[21:59] <Kilos-> now im scared to shutdown
[21:59] <magespawn900> at last?
[21:59] <Kilos-> ya i see ubuntu-za here
[21:59] <Kilos-> many days of battling
[22:00] <magespawn900> cools beans Kilos, at some point we must take into the world of LAMP
[22:00] <Kilos-> that whole bzr nikola thing drove me mad
[22:01] <magespawn900> going back to laptop
[22:09] <Kilos-> hmm...
[22:15] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight