[16:01] <rbalint> o/
[16:01] <juliank> o|
[16:02] <doko> hi, all americans and canadians missing?
[16:03] <juliank> canada does not have thanksgiving today?
[16:04] <xnox> doko, canada thanks giving was last week =)
[16:05] <doko> somebody knowing the bot should start the meeting ...
[16:05] <xnox> doko, well, i'm not sure.
[16:05] <xnox> doko, did you join the call?
[16:05] <xnox> doko, cause everyone is off.
[16:06] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 22 16:06:35 2018 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:06] <cyphermox> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:06] <cyphermox> echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke fginther juliank platonical tobikoch aleks_bogdanov)
[16:07] <cyphermox> infinity tobikoch cyphermox tdaitx bdmurray platonical juliank slangasek fginther sil2100 Odd_Bloke aleks_bogdanov rcj rbalint xnox doko philroc
[16:08] <cyphermox> hrm, maybe most people are away for Thanksgiving
[16:08] <tobikoch> * vanguard job shadowing mostly
[16:09] <tobikoch> (done)
[16:09] <tobikoch> cyphermox: :D
[16:09] <cyphermox> awesomesauce
[16:09] <cyphermox> last week: various shim reviews; catching up with upstreams, etc.
[16:09] <cyphermox> plymouth update in progress
[16:09] <sil2100> o/
[16:09] <cyphermox> along with the plymouth bugfixing that never ended (TM)
[16:10] <cyphermox> partly updated casper, handed off to desktop team to finish (a11y settings)
[16:10] <cyphermox> preparing to release a snap for netplan
[16:10] <cyphermox> and netplan SRUs.
[16:10] <cyphermox> (done)
[16:11] <juliank> * merged aptitude
[16:11] <juliank> * synced gnu-efi 3.0.9
[16:11] <juliank> * haskell-fsnotify update for haskell-hinotify 0.3.10 API break; and follow-up rebuilds
[16:11] <juliank> * bumped yaml-cpp SONAME for ABI break (also in Debian); and follow-up rebuilds
[16:11] <juliank> * ganeti and ganeti-2.15 build fixes following the haskell-hinotify API break
[16:11] <juliank> * some small apt git merges and bug triaging
[16:11] <juliank> * provided a merge proposal for the desktop team to fix bug in nautilus (LP: #1804260)
[16:11] <juliank> * networkd-dispatcher in Debian, waiting for LP to pick it up for syncing :)
[16:11] <juliank> (done)
[16:11] <juliank> sil2100:
[16:11] <sil2100> Not ready, still need some moments
[16:12] <cyphermox> Odd_Bloke: around?
[16:12] <cyphermox> maybe not
[16:12] <cyphermox> rbalint:
[16:13] <Odd_Bloke> Sorry, still writing my update!
[16:13] <cyphermox> Odd_Bloke: you're not alone, no worries
[16:13] <Odd_Bloke> Wasn't prepared for how fast my slot would come around given Thanksgiving. :p
[16:13] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, we thought you were pretending to be american and have a second thanksgiving.
[16:13]  * cyphermox likes turkey
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Further minimal image automation
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Testing of walinuxagent SRU (LP: #1799498)
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Bumping the Nvidia driver version used by GKE
[16:14] <tobikoch> turkey is a nice place, too.
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Unblocking GCE disco images
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Addressing disk space issues on some of our slaves
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> * Various other cloud images work
[16:14] <Odd_Bloke> (done)
[16:14] <juliank> only tofurky for me
[16:15] <rbalint> test msg
[16:15] <sil2100> Ok, I'm ready
[16:16] <sil2100> - Short week - back from vacation on Monday
[16:16] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[16:16] <sil2100> - Kernel SRU reviews
[16:16] <sil2100> - Pushing out ubuntu-image 1.5 to -proposed
[16:16] <sil2100> - Reviewing and merging sru-report improvements from Brian
[16:16] <sil2100> - Pi3 arm64 work
[16:16] <sil2100>   * Iterating on branch reviews for livecd-rootfs etc.
[16:16] <sil2100>   * Performed some fresh tests of armhf ubuntu-image generated classic images
[16:16] <sil2100>   * Cross-built an arm64 rootfs locally
[16:16] <sil2100>   * Multiple tests on the board, trying to figure out the bootloader bits to enable booting the arm64 image in u-boot
[16:16] <sil2100>   * Lots of tweaking here and there
[16:16] <sil2100> - Candidate interview
[16:16] <sil2100> - Some archive/ADT work
[16:16] <sil2100> (done)
[16:16] <sil2100> Odd_Bloke: oh, so wala is all +1? I can release it then?
[16:16] <tdaitx> * finished packaging & tests, uploaded openjdk-8 8u191 and openjdk-lts 10.0.2+13-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:16] <tdaitx> * working on openjdk-11 update (autopkgtests + LP: #1796982)
[16:16] <tdaitx> * double-triple-over-checked and then uploaded livecd-rootfs 2.525.10 for bionic
[16:16] <tdaitx> Other:
[16:16] <tdaitx> * I'm a core-dev now, baby!
[16:16] <tdaitx> * making sure I don't click the wrong stuff in launchpad
[16:16] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:16] <sil2100> tdaitx: ;)
[16:17] <xnox> * subiquity s390x - should now boot from USB/DVD, awaiting remote hands
[16:17] <xnox> * subiqutity - working on zdev & multipath specs, good progress
[16:17] <xnox> * systemd sru is in bionic, again.
[16:17] <xnox> * helping with transitions a little bit
[16:17] <xnox>   - e.g. mongo upload is in progress
[16:17] <xnox> done
[16:17] <rbalint> * fixed FTBFS and minor updates: libcec, kodi
[16:17] <rbalint> * prepared wireshark -security backport of 2.6.4-2 to fix CVEs and regressions
[16:18] <rbalint> * fixed LP: #1803391 for xenial's different hang in udev
[16:18] <rbalint> * packaged new rax-nova-agent and prepared SRUs
[16:18] <Odd_Bloke> sil2100: I haven't seen an update from Microsoft on their testing.
[16:18] <rbalint> * released unattended-upgrades 1.8 fixing several long-outstanding bugs and some performance improvement
[16:18] <rbalint> * poking all sru members to accept u-u :-)
[16:18] <rbalint> (done)
[16:18] <doko> still doing archive opening transition stuff. half time uploading, half time cursing
[16:18] <doko> (done)
[16:19] <cyphermox> philroche: ?
[16:19] <philroche> * cloud image build system vanguard
[16:19] <philroche> * cloud image build changes
[16:19] <philroche> (done)
[16:19] <cyphermox> weee
[16:19] <cyphermox> #topic http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:19] <cyphermox> gah
[16:19] <cyphermox> obviously, not aa
[16:20] <cyphermox> #topic http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:20] <cyphermox> IRC is hard, okay?
[16:20] <cyphermox> anything to discuss in the incoming list?
[16:22] <cyphermox> I'll call that a no
[16:22] <cyphermox> doko: you wanted to talk about the proposed-by-team report on a weekly basis?
[16:22] <doko> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html
[16:22] <cyphermox> #topic http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html
[16:22] <cyphermox> fail.
[16:22] <doko> yep, not much talking, just a reminder and see what we can address
[16:22] <cyphermox> yup
[16:22] <cyphermox> lemme just jiggle the meeting notes so it shows up nice
[16:23] <cyphermox> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html
[16:23] <cyphermox> that ought to do it
[16:23] <doko> most things are failing tests ...
[16:23] <doko> sil2100: ubuntu-image ...
[16:27] <doko> sil2100: please could you update the symfony hint?
[16:29] <rbalint> i'm taking twisted
[16:29] <cyphermox> ok
[16:29] <rbalint> and look into some
[16:29] <doko> rbalint: please update to new upstream as well
[16:29] <cyphermox> ready to move on?
[16:29] <cyphermox> #topic AOB
[16:30] <cyphermox> anything else?
[16:30] <doko> yep, so everybody on the call should at least pick up one package ...
[16:32] <cyphermox> going once
[16:32] <cyphermox> going twice
[16:33] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov 22 16:33:15 2018 UTC.
[16:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-11-22-16.06.moin.txt
[16:33] <cyphermox> thanks everyone
[16:48] <sil2100> cyphermox: thanks!
[16:48] <sil2100> doko: ACK, will do in a moment


[10:01] <xJeremyCx> hey guys
[10:02] <xJeremyCx> does ubuntu gnome updates less frequently than ubuntu?
[10:04] <mgedmin> no, they update at the same time


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[03:09] <Guest3369> 23.04 beta:  Hey anyone having a problem with microscopic text on the title bar of most apps (Thunderbird, Chromium, etc.) I can't seem to find where this is set-- it's not in gnome-tweaks or regular settings.  FWIW I'm using Fractional Scaling and 125%.  Going to 100% doesn't help-- it's even smaller.  Turning off fractional scaling helps a
[03:09] <Guest3369> tiny bit but it's still pretty small and the title bar is about 1/10th the normal height.
[03:22] <Guest3369> looks like it's the font in the legacy window decorations but changing legacy window titles in gnome-tweaks doesn't help-- unless it requires a logout/login which I guess I can try.
 I've heard the titlebar issue mentioned, so it is on our radar. Appreciate you mentioning it!


[00:11] <NeoNetNinja> I'm looking forward to "The Official Ubuntu Server Book" Precise edition :)
[01:19] <osmosis> is there a way to enable LVM encryption on a disk that was not installed with LVM encryption?
[01:33] <NeoNetNinja> osmosis: what it installed with LVM at all? Ergo, are the "partitions" LVM?
[01:33] <NeoNetNinja> was*
[01:35] <NeoNetNinja> osmosis: here is your answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335083
[01:35] <osmosis> NeoNetNinja, yes, the partitions should be LVM
[01:36] <osmosis> NeoNetNinja, thx
[01:36] <osmosis> cool
[01:37] <NeoNetNinja> osmosis: you're welcome
[01:37] <osmosis> hmm..so it may in some shape be possible, but id had to reparition anyways, so a full reinstall is probably the fastest route
[01:37] <NeoNetNinja> that's what I would do
[01:38] <NeoNetNinja> here is a good guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1205372
[01:38] <NeoNetNinja> or use TrueCrypt
[01:39] <NeoNetNinja> or: http://joernfranz.net/2011/01/20/installing-ubuntu-10-10-with-full-disk-encryption/
[01:40] <NeoNetNinja> the alternate install is pretty much the same for all recent versions
[01:41] <osmosis> ill take a look
[01:42] <osmosis> that second link is a bit outdated...the newer installer is even easier
[01:43] <osmosis> " I know that “Guided – use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM” looks sexy to you, but please don’t press that. We’ll do things by hand."
[01:44] <osmosis> why did he pick that...why not just use guided.
[01:49] <qman__> because guided partitioning, while convenient, isn't very smart
[01:49] <qman__> if you're trying to do anything with multiple disks, you probably don't want guided
[01:49] <qman__> if you have any specific requirements, it probably won't meet them
[01:50] <qman__> and with servers, you tend to have those things, so showing how to do it manually is important
[01:51] <qman__> if you just have a laptop with one drive you want encrypted, the guided is probably good
[02:01] <taipres> in the US judge recently ruled they can make you decrypt the harddrive legally
[02:02] <taipres> don't have to give up pass but have to decrypt for them, so probably best to use truecrypt
[02:02] <taipres> and hidden os
[02:16] <alot_of_mike> Why does server have x11-common?
[02:24]  * alot_of_mike doesn't see anything obviously necessary in http://sprunge.us/EWRB
[02:27] <SpamapS> alot_of_mike: aptitude has a 'why' sub-command that will tell you
[02:30] <alot_of_mike> hm, some library for gd
[02:31] <alot_of_mike> thanks, SpamapS
[02:47] <gmr_> Hi there, was referred here from #ubuntu
[02:47] <gmr_> Hoping someone can help me out, I have a 11.10 server install, trying to get things setup and am having trouble adding an eth0:0 alias. It seems that service networking stop/start/restart doesn't work, I believe I have the config correct (https://gmr.privatepaste.com/64a38a3706) and if I reboot the server, eth0 comes up but eth0:0 does not.
[02:47] <gmr_> (paste has the examples of running the commands)
[03:34] <qman__> gmr_, does `sudo ifup eth0:0` bring up the interface as expected?
[03:35] <gmr_> tells me it's already configured
[03:35] <gmr_> yet ifconfig eth0:0 doesn't show anything
[03:35] <gmr_> hmm yet pinging the ip works :|
[03:35] <qman__> try ifdown, then ifup
[03:36] <gmr_> i've been waiting a fair amount of time on a non-problem it seems.
[03:36] <qman__> heh
[03:36] <qman__> happens to the best of us
[03:36] <gmr_> hmm ifdown eth0:0 shutdown all of eth0
[03:37] <gmr_> am more of a slackware, lfs, *bsd of guy trying to jump on the more enterprisey bus
[03:39] <qman__> well, learning the debian way does take a little time, but I find it to be much easier in the long run
[03:39] <qman__> though you do occasionally run into things like this where it doesn't work as expected
[03:40] <qman__> the 'networking' service has been a little iffy ever since they started moving things to upstart
[03:40] <gmr_> thanks for the point at ifup/ifdown.. probably wouldn't ahve tried to ping the interface otherwise.
[09:37] <Daviey> roaksoax: sorry, just saw your response - that is great!
[10:41] <Womkes> Is there any documentation yet available for setting up xen on the latest ubuntu? I understand that ubuntu now has full supprot for xen with 11.10
[10:42] <Womkes> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[10:42] <Womkes> that is outdated
[10:48] <chelz> Womkes: if xen doesn't provide anything then blogposts might be your best bet
[10:48] <chelz> i found these:
[10:48] <chelz> http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/category/xen-4-1-2-on-ubuntu-11-10/
[10:48] <chelz> http://zulcss.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/xen-4-1-1-on-ubuntu/
[10:48] <chelz> from
[10:48] <chelz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/83846/current-protocol-for-installing-xen-with-ubuntu-11-10-as-a-dom0
[10:49] <chelz> also http://martincarstenbach.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/getting-started-with-xen-virtualisation-on-ubuntu-11-10/
[10:50] <Womkes> thanks, will have a read
[10:50] <chelz> Womkes: http://old-list-archives.xen.org/archives/html/xen-users/2011-10/msg00324.html
[10:50] <chelz> Womkes: according to that mailing list thread it's really simple. i'd read those few messages
[10:50] <chelz> then just refer to standard xen documentation. googling for errors if you get any along the way.
[11:54] <Syria> Hi, I have a virtual windows 2003 machine hosted on my ubuntu server, how can I allow the virtual machine to access usb devices please?
[13:10] <eagles0513875_> hey guys im just wondering is it possible to specify an ipv6 ip if dhcp doesnt manage to automatically configure the ip
[13:16] <RoyK> !ipv6
[13:16] <RoyK> eagles0513875_: the short answer is "yes"
[13:17] <eagles0513875_> ok sweet :D was just wondering was all :) working on getting varnish setup to act as an ipv4 to 6 kinda tunnel on my server thanks RoyK :)
[13:20] <patdk-lap> heh, sounds like you want slaac
[13:21] <patdk-lap> royk, comstar with ip6 is kind of funny
[13:21] <patdk-lap> my 4nic server suddently has 32 iscsi paths, cause it's using ip4 and ip6 :)
[13:29] <eagles0513875_> patdk-lap: what is slaac anyway
[13:29] <eagles0513875_> the server i want to do this on is an esxi host was going to setup a small guest with varnish to do the ipv4 to 6 tunneling
[13:30] <patdk-lap> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=slaac
[13:40] <Tm_T> patdk-lap: tsssk
[13:44] <eagles0513875_> RoyK: would SLAAC be enough in regards to allowing clients access to stuff like ssh over an ipv4 connection
[13:47] <RoyK> eagles0513875_: sorry, I'm not really updated on ipv6
[13:47] <eagles0513875_> ok will ask in ipv6
[14:39] <Spectrum> Is there an easier alternative to https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html for setting up basic network authentication for Linux and Windows clients?
[14:40] <Spectrum> This is for a small home network.
[16:18] <dravekx> is there a link to install oracle java 7?
[16:31] <qman__> dravekx, There is no packaged version of oracle java anymore, because oracle did not renew the license which allowed this to happen in the first place. To install it, you must download it from oracle and compile/install it the old fashioned way.
[16:32] <qman__> In case you didn't gather as much already, this is not an ubuntu recommended thing to do.
[16:33] <dravekx> what's the recommended thing? openjdk?
[16:33] <qman__> yes
[16:34] <qman__> Considering official Java's security record, it was already not exactly a recommended thing to do before.
[17:58] <roaksoax> g/win 16
[23:25] <nOStahl> hows it going guys
[23:25] <nOStahl> got myself setup a brand new shiny intel p4 ubuntu server 10.11 heh hosting git repo's via gitolite
[23:26] <nOStahl> looking to add some more functionality to the server
[23:31] <RoyK> !ask


[00:37] <smallfoot-> this unity shit fucking sucks
[00:37] <smallfoot-> its no wonder everyone is ditching ubuntu
[00:37] <smallfoot-> and moving to linux mint
[11:15] <iceroot> what is the default openjdk in 12.04? ver6 or ver7? both are in the repos
[11:20] <sagaci> err, doesn't look like there's a default
[12:33] <iceroot> but i dont see a reason to have ver6 and ver7 in the repos
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:10] <geser> looks like openjdk-6 is still the "default" as it's in main while openjdk-7 is only in universe (at least at the moment)
[14:00] <FernandoMiguel> good afternoon
[14:22] <iceroot> geser: ah yes you are right, i was not looking at the repos, so the dependencies from eclipse are correctly set
[14:24] <Ian_Corne> what version of eclipse is in the repo now, and is it usable with plugins yet?
[14:24] <Ian_Corne> I've abandoned hope on eclipse from the repo a while ago
[14:25] <iceroot> !info eclipse precise
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> :)
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> !info eclipse
[14:25] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: 3.7.0-1
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> I'm thinkging it defaults to precies?
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> oh it doesn't
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> but does it work with plugins yet?
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> It didn't used to because of version naming or something
[14:26] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: i dont know, i am using netbeans now, because eclipse wants to pull openjdk6 and i only have 200mb free
[14:26] <Ian_Corne> You're deving on java7 already
[14:26] <Ian_Corne> nice
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> I don't think i'll see java 7 in the near future where I'm working :)
[14:27] <iceroot> i hope there is no difference for what i am trying here
[14:27] <iceroot> just some xml-foo with java/dom and i hope there is no difference in jdk6/7 and no difference to the evil sun/oracle-jdk
[14:29] <atdiehm> am I better off with the daily, or sticking with alpha 1 ....
[14:29] <atdiehm> I need to see if the 3.2 kernel is going to fix some stuff on my new lappy
[15:01] <gnomefreak> im guessing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is no longer needed
[15:03] <gnomefreak> smoke
[15:03] <gnomefreak> damn
[15:26] <atdiehm> Just tried alpha 1 on my new zenbook, the screen turned on and showed a keyboard next to a person... then a blinking cursor for 10 sec or so... then the screen shut off
[15:26] <atdiehm> I heard the "bla doop" sound that plays when the login screen is presented, so I know it kept booting.. just didn't display
[15:26] <atdiehm> pulling down the daily now to try that
[15:57] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: ctrl+alt+f2
[15:57] <atdiehm> same happens with the daily... booting off USB, it shows the keyboard next to the person at the bottom ... then a blinking cursor top left .... and then the screen goes off
[15:57] <atdiehm> ctrl-alt-f2 does nothing
[15:57] <alex_mayorga> IIRC that gets me to a text based console
[15:57] <atdiehm> it might have, but the screen is still off
[15:58] <atdiehm> it's not just black... it's off
[15:58] <alex_mayorga> perhaps try plugging an external monitor?
[15:58] <atdiehm> it's a new ultrabook, and I don't have a micro-hdmi converter on me
[16:00] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: got a URL for the specs?
[16:01] <atdiehm> one sec
[16:03] <atdiehm> http://zenbook.asus.com/product/?c=spec
[16:03] <atdiehm> it's the 13" i5
[16:04] <FernandoMiguel> you got one of those? cool
[16:06] <atdiehm> it's pretty nice, but it's too new for ubuntu
[16:06] <atdiehm> so much isn't supported
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> I consider buying one, but too much € for me
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> got a 13" dell vostro
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: afaik you might need some kernel parm to work around that GPU
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> either nag bjsnider or jump on #ubuntu-x and ask sarvat
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> most of it is sandy bridge
[16:06] <bjsnider> it looks like it's sandybridge
[16:07] <FernandoMiguel> but that should work with kernel 3.0.2
[16:07] <alex_mayorga> bluetooth 4.0? =O
[16:07] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, I've been saying for years: Ubuntu (and most "Desktop distros") are meant for hw between 6 months old and 3-5 years
[16:08] <FernandoMiguel> alex yep. iphone has it too
[16:08] <bjsnider> intel puts code int he kernel for unreleased hardware all the time
[16:08] <alex_mayorga> is that a software thing or does the radios actually changed?
[16:08] <bjsnider> atdiehm, go to #ubuntu-x and talk to sarvatt
[16:09] <bjsnider> he's our snb expert
[16:10] <atdiehm> snb?
[16:10] <atdiehm> I just want ot keep this laptop :-p
[16:10] <bjsnider> sandybridge
[16:13] <atdiehm> oneiric works on it....
[16:13] <atdiehm> ther are just features that aren't working
[16:13] <atdiehm> and I was told in some forums that it seems the 3.2 kernel is fixing some of those features
[16:13] <atdiehm> so I wanted to try out the alpha since it had that kernel
[16:14] <atdiehm> because I'm probably going to return the laptop today if I can't assure myself I'll have good use of it in a few months
[16:14] <atdiehm> like... right now... I have no option to disable the touchpad while I type.... which is a deathblow
[16:14] <atdiehm> and the battery life is like 2.5hrs when it's 8 in windows
[16:14] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: I'd say follow bjsnider advise, he's got my video working reliably in the past ;-)
[16:14] <atdiehm> because the screen won't stay at anything but 100% brightness
[16:15] <atdiehm> alex_mayorga, his advise it to speak with sarvatt, and I'm waiting ot hear back from him :)
[16:15] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: never mind then :)
[16:20] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: you can use a more recent kernel oon 11.10
[16:20] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, how then? link?
[16:20] <atdiehm> because the ubuntu wiki says to use kernel 3.2
[16:21] <atdiehm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook
[16:21] <atdiehm> on there
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: my dell is 9h on win and was <3h on ubuntu . with a few tweaks its now >5h
[16:21] <atdiehm> and I asked in the channel yesterday, and was told to install the alpha
[16:21] <atdiehm> I could stomach 5ish
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:22] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, I don't know if I've got the stones to do a manual kernel update....
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> it *should* be safe
[16:22] <FernandoMiguel> you always keep the older one
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> BUT the tweaks aren't all in the kernel
[16:23] <atdiehm> I'm a fedora guy, so I know very little of the deb packages and tools they use
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> cool... that asus wiki tells me how to fix usb3 :D
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> maybe now I can gete suspend to work too
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: download the daily kernel for your arch and the -all deb
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> put all 3 on an empty folder
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> reboot
[16:24] <atdiehm> k
[16:27] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, you said all 3 ... but there are only 2 files?
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> headers, image, all
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2011-12-05-oneiric/linux-headers-3.2.0-999-generic_3.2.0-999.201112050405_amd64.deb
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2011-12-05-oneiric/linux-headers-3.2.0-999_3.2.0-999.201112050405_all.deb
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2011-12-05-oneiric/linux-image-3.2.0-999-generic_3.2.0-999.201112050405_amd64.deb
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: ^^^^
[16:28] <atdiehm> ah... image/headers
[16:34] <FernandoMiguel> $ cat /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy
[16:34] <FernandoMiguel> max_performance
[16:34] <FernandoMiguel> this cant be good :\
[16:38] <atdiehm> FernandoMiguel, it epic-fails just like the alpha 12.4
[16:39] <FernandoMiguel> how?
[16:40] <atdiehm> screen just turns off
[16:40] <atdiehm> gonna try the 3.1
[16:40] <atdiehm> how do I un-install 3.2?
[16:40] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: can you ssh to it?
[16:40] <atdiehm> alex_mayorga, probably......
[16:40] <atdiehm> would that be helpful?
[16:41] <atdiehm> if networking has been enabled, I don't see why I wouldnt' be able to shell in...
[16:41] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: would at least allow you to see dmesg and such
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> just throwing random ideas from the days where my nvidia was borked :-)
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: ah so it's not the install that fails, just the booting
[16:43] <alex_mayorga> perhaps you can also do ubuntu-bug from ssh and at least get the bug reported
[16:44] <FernandoMiguel> naaa
[16:44] <FernandoMiguel> not really supported
[16:45] <atdiehm> the alpha actually fully boots
[16:45] <atdiehm> it even makes the login screen noise
[16:45] <atdiehm> the screen is just not on
[16:46] <atdiehm> how many kernels does it keep.......
[16:46] <atdiehm> I'm installing 3.1 now... I don't want to be ass raped with no bootable install ....
[16:46] <atdiehm> :)
[16:48] <atdiehm> the 3.1 kernel turns a screen on at least :-p
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> you keel them all
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> it doesn't get replaced
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> either use aptitude or synaptic to remove the ones you want to remove
[18:09] <atdiehm> so, I got 3.2 to boot
[18:10] <atdiehm> the touchpad is super choppy, but I've got 5+hrs of battery life, and the multi-touch works...
[18:10] <atdiehm> but it's really choppy
[18:10] <atdiehm> it goes off and on.... and ignores about 1 out of 4 swipes, or jumps around
[18:20] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: coooolll
[18:20] <FernandoMiguel> atdiehm: $ acpi -V | grep Bat
[18:21] <FernandoMiguel> Battery 0: Discharging, 98%, 04:41:47 remaining
[18:22] <atdiehm> I don't know if it's usable .... the touchpad was perfect with 3.0 kernel.... it just wasn't recognized, so the disable when typing wasn't an option, and multitouch didn't work
[18:23] <atdiehm> now multitouch and disable when typing works, but it sucks to use :-p
[18:23] <nhaines> The march of progres!  \o/
[18:25] <atdiehm> gotta combine the two and it'll be full of win
[19:19] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: lspci | grep vga
[19:20] <atdiehm> if I install 12.04 alpha ... will I get upgraded automatically as it goes?
[19:20] <atdiehm> alex_mayorga, that command gives nothing, but what was it for?
[19:22] <alex_mayorga> atdiehm: perhaps I messed it up but it should tell something about the video card on the system
[19:23] <atdiehm> there's a kernel issue keeping it from booting properly
[19:23] <atdiehm> I got around that
[19:23] <atdiehm> I can boot into the 12.04 daily right now
[19:24] <atdiehm> and my touchpad and battery are much better
[19:24] <nhaines> atdiehm: yes, you'll just be upgraded automatically as it goes, but you might still want to reinstall at or around beta 2 or final relesae.
[19:24] <atdiehm> well.. the touchpad is recognized, and the multitouch works..... but it's much more flakey than with the 3.0 kernel
[19:29] <nhaines> This has nothing to do with kernel drivers but only about shifting packages.  :)
[19:30] <nhaines> ("This" being the potential desire to reinstall near the release date.)
[19:41] <sskalnik> Is the "admin" group deprecated in favor of the "sudo" group in Precise?
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> Pici: ^^^
[19:46] <alex_mayorga> sskalnik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1#General
[19:48] <sskalnik> Thanks, alex_mayorga
[19:51] <alex_mayorga> sskalnik: np
[19:53] <Pici> FernandoMiguel: eh, whats up?
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> Pici: just trying to guide sskalnik.... I read something you said about admin group a few weeks back
[19:54] <Pici> FernandoMiguel: That would be news to me, I didn't know that we were switching to the 'sudo' group.
[19:55] <Pici> Maybe you're thinking of Pitti?
[19:55] <FernandoMiguel> maybe
[19:55] <FernandoMiguel> sorry
[19:56] <nhaines> Pici: surprise.  :)
[19:56] <Pici> Its okay, I'm used to getting his hilights.
[21:06] <yofel> hm, recently I'm getting "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.PackageKit timed out" after every apt-get update
[21:06] <yofel> anyone an idea where that comes from?
[21:08] <trism> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/898891
[21:08] <yofel> thanks :)
[21:28] <BluesKaj> trism, yeah i had the same error , the fix worked for me as well, thks
[23:30] <atdiehm_lappy> well I upgraded to kernel 3.2 because I was instructed in forums to upgrade to 3.2 to get support for my touchpad, however, now the right click button won't register, and the left click doesn't work with dragging ... and I don't know where to go to try and debug this
[23:30] <atdiehm_lappy> I'm running 11.10, but with the 3.2 kernel
[23:30] <atdiehm_lappy> but the same issues are in 12.04, and I could boot into that if it helped
[23:31] <atdiehm_lappy> since it was the same situation, I've stayed win 11.10 with the updated kernel


[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #195238 in firefox-3.0 (main) "Firefox 3.3 renders websites very poorly (dup-of: 186186)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195238
[09:55] <Ng> tjaalton: have you seen any crashes when exiting X on -intel?
[09:55] <Ng> it's not every time, but a fair percentage of the time, my laptop completely hangs
[09:56] <tjaalton> Ng: no, works fine with 965
[09:56] <Ng> hrm
[09:57] <Ng> I don't seem to get any log entries, it just hangs solid :(
[09:57] <tjaalton> try the new kernel, it has a number of drm changes
[09:59] <Ng> ooh, new kernel you say :)
[10:00] <Ng> newer than 2.6.24-8?
[10:00] <tjaalton> -10
[10:00] <tjaalton> metapackages not updated yet
[10:00] <Ng> ah
[10:14] <bryce> Ng, I've not seen that either on my intel boxes
[10:15] <Ng> any 855s?
[10:15] <bryce> nope
[10:24] <bryce> night
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #195363 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XkbEnableDisableControls() (dup-of: 157881)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195363
[12:58] <asac> hey ... how can i get the DPI used for fonts?
[12:59] <asac> (using api, not cmd line)
[13:05] <jcristau> asac: using Display{Height,Width}{,MM}() i think
[13:05] <ubotu> New bug: #195424 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "new upstream version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195424
[13:28] <ubotu> New bug: #194987 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Totem quits on startup due to X Window System error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194987
[13:47] <asac> jcristau: thats display ... i want font (which can be out of sync)
[13:51] <asac> but i think thats just out of sync for GtkSettings enabled applications ... no idea though; thats why i ask ;)
[13:52] <seb128> asac: well, the xsetting should not be gtk specific
[13:53] <jcristau> no idea what xft does
[13:56] <asac> seb128: ok i think i will look into code ... e.g. what xft settings returns and if there are corner cases where this doesn't return anything sane. is that in pure Gtk Source?
[13:56] <seb128> asac: no clue about fonts, xft, etc
[14:47] <ubotu> New bug: #195219 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Graph intel 855 does not work " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195219
[14:49] <Ng> tjaalton: are we gonna get the new upstream -intel? :)
[14:52]  * Ng looks at that bug report. there seems to be way too much variation of behaviour for 855s ;)
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #194343 in xorg (main) "Keyboard goes suddenly bananas (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194343
[14:56] <ubotu> New bug: #195412 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "laptop touchpad not recognised" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195412
[15:36] <tjaalton> Ng: of course, tomorrow at the latest
[15:36] <Ng> awesome :)
[15:36] <Ng> does this have a standing exception? ;)
[15:37] <tjaalton> heh, I'm not sure, but I guess that we can upload bugfix releases without too much paperwork
[15:38] <tjaalton> there's also a new mesa release candidate
[16:12] <seb128> bryce_: current comment on bug #32963 seems to indicate the issue is an xorg one
[16:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32963 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "totem overrides XV_CONSTRAST to wrong default value (Xv movies on i810/i945 have horrible colour/gamma)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32963
[16:38] <Ng> ooh interesting, I have a 945 at home running hardy and movies have indeed been looking awful
[16:53] <ubotu> New bug: #195470 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "xserver crashes while window minimizing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195470
[17:26] <mvo> Ng: with compiz or everytime?
[17:26] <mvo> Ng: (movies looking ugly)
[17:27] <Ng> mvo: I'm not actually sure, my 945 box is hooked up to my TV and I mostly just use it for watching movies. I'll check
[17:27] <Ng> it's quite likely using compiz
[17:27] <Ng> but it definitely seems like a gamma thing - the image is clear, but bright areas are ridiculously bright
[17:29]  * mvo nods
[17:29] <mvo> I'm just curious if it has something to do with compiz or not
[17:31] <bryce> seb128: I have updated the gnome-desktop and gnome-settings-daemon packages:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/XrandrGui/
[17:34] <seb128> bryce: thanks
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190370 in xorg (main) "privilege escalation when canceling the low-graphics warning prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190370


[01:46] <snap-l> Hey all,
[01:46] <snap-l> who still has a link to the old Ubuntu calendar?
[01:47] <jjesse> hi
[03:14] <brousch> snap-l: the old?
[03:14] <brousch> i use http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical
[03:15] <snap-l> yeah, the Google Calendar version
[11:41] <snap-l> g'morning
[11:42] <rick_h__> party
[11:43] <snap-l> How are the sprints going?
[12:33] <brousch> halloooo
[12:36] <snap-l> Hallllllooooooo world.
[12:39] <Wolfger> morning
[12:40] <snap-l> Did you know Dell has an auction site?
[12:40] <snap-l> http://dellauctions.com
[12:40] <snap-l> Some older machines, but interesting nonetheless if someone wants some hardware
[12:40] <snap-l> friend got a decent little desktop they're using for a MAME machine on there.
[12:40] <Wolfger> snap-l: I don't know about a link to the Gcal us-mi loco calendar, but I can probably get the link since I have it imported to my personal calendar. Why?
[12:41] <snap-l> Wolfger: The MUG Meeting still shows up at ESD
[12:41] <snap-l> wondering if it could be changed in case someone is still using that old calendar.
[12:41] <snap-l> or have the event removed altogether.
[12:41] <Wolfger> Sure. What should I change it to?
[12:42] <snap-l> 32737 W 12 Mile Rd
[12:42] <snap-l> Farmington Hills, MI 48334
[12:42] <snap-l> Thanks!  That's odd.
[12:43] <Wolfger> I got a reminder 2 weeks ago for the meeting (which was rescheduled, but not on that calendar). But now I don't seem to have that calendar anymore.
[12:44] <snap-l> Hmmm
[12:44] <Wolfger> Yeah, it's gone.
[12:44] <Wolfger> Maybe greg-g deleted it?
[12:45] <snap-l> Possibly
[12:45] <snap-l> got a note from someone that it wasn't changed.
[12:45] <snap-l> Maybe they had an old link :)
[12:59] <Wolfger> well reply to their note and ask them for it :-)
[13:35] <snap-l> Heh
[13:41] <brousch> ah, beautiful. i found instructions for getting dropbox public link with Dolphin without using nautilus
[13:51] <nullspace> brousch: there are some python scripts to control dropbox
[13:52] <brousch> nullspace: this integrates directly into the right-click menu in dolphin, so it works like nautilus with dropbox
[13:53] <brousch> it's just a .desktop file
[14:07] <snap-l> you can also use the command-line, if you so choose.
[14:07] <snap-l> it's pretty simple, actually.
[14:08] <snap-l> That said, I do loves me some file-manager integration
[14:13] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/01/10/open-metalcast-episode-38-destination-unknown/
[14:28] <brousch> snap-l: the .desktop file just uses the dropbox command line
[15:11] <Wolfger> right-click dropbox in Dolphin? Cool!
[15:27] <brousch> Wolfger: http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=12034&replies=2#post-76494
[15:28] <brousch> piecemeal instructions, but not too bad. first post tells you what file to make where, second post tells you what to put in the file, third post changes "s to `s. then it all works well (for me)
[15:49] <brousch> oooh, nice "The --no-site-packages flag is deprecated; it is now the default behavior."
[15:50] <Wolfger> Interesting. In German, a black eye is a blue eye...
[15:50] <Wolfger> --no-site-packages?
[15:50] <Wolfger> what's that do?
[15:51] <brousch> python virtualenv
[15:51] <brousch> that flag excludes any python modules that are installed locally so you have a nice clean virtualenv
[15:52] <brousch> basically i used it every single time, so it's nice that it;s default now
[16:10] <Wolfger> Oh boy... here comes all the Ubuntu TV hype...
[16:10] <rick_h__> :)
[16:10] <jjesse> more than yesterday?
[16:16] <brousch> hm, just discovered this MBP keyboard does not have a print screen button
[16:18] <Wolfger> jjesse: well, I didn't see any Ubuntu TV questions on AskUbuntu yesterday. Plenty coming today.
[16:18] <jjesse> ah it was all i saw on google+ yesterday
[16:18] <Wolfger> of course that could just be me not paying close attention yesterday
[16:19] <Wolfger> I didn't learn about Ubuntu TV until late in the day
[16:19] <jjesse> google+, twitter and Facebook seemed pretty full of things
[17:32] <snap-l> I wish them all the best re: Ubuntu TV
[17:32] <snap-l> frankly can't muster any give-a-damn about it.
[17:32] <snap-l> (don't watch that much TV)
[17:35] <rick_h__> but but but :P
[17:35] <rick_h__> it's the fuition of the unity idea
[17:36] <Wolfger> insofaras TV's are becoming computers, I'm glad that Ubuntu is out there trying to make better TV's than what will surely come out of other sectors
[17:37] <Wolfger> and I like the idea that (perhaps) we can do away with TV's altogether and just watch shows, sports, and movies from our monitors
[17:38] <snap-l> This is likely not something new for anyone in this channel, but it's interesting: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781593273897.do?imm_mid=07bd40
[17:39] <snap-l> Should get jcastro to go into apoplectic fits. :)
[17:40] <Wolfger> Love the Popeye motif
[17:40] <Wolfger> Oooh... O'Reilly dotd is Git
[17:41] <snap-l> Yeah, once the signal is digital, it's a perfect match for the computer
[17:41] <snap-l> And I already consume a few shows digital-only because I can't be bothered with cable (Daily Show, and Doctor Who)
[18:27] <nullspace> snap-l: wait ubuntu TV? didn't anyone learn from google TV?
[18:33] <snap-l> nullspace: Google TV isn't a failure yet.
[18:34] <brousch> google is supposedly trying it again
[18:39] <nullspace> fail fail fail again
[18:58] <snap-l> Well, it's about breaking into a market
[18:58] <snap-l> and making a device that's compelling
[18:58] <snap-l> Although I saw a tweet that this is about finding a hardware partner more than a finished device
[18:58] <snap-l> Which makes some sense
[18:59] <snap-l> I really would love to know what Mark's 5-10 year goals are, because they have to be fascinating
[19:00] <snap-l> Shuttleworth reminds me of mini-Jobs.
[19:00] <brousch> to crush gates' and jobs' skulls beneath his astronaut boot
[19:01] <snap-l> Friend got me Puscifer's latest album "Conditions of my Parole".
[19:02] <snap-l> Highly recommend it for those of the Maynard James Keenan project bent.
[19:02] <snap-l> Kind of like Pigface in that it's a rotating artst roster.
[19:05] <brousch> i don't know pucifer, maynard james keenan, or pigface
[19:05] <brousch> i assume you are just mumbling incoherently
[19:10] <snap-l> brousch: Maynard James Keenan: Lead Singer for Tool and A Perfect Circle
[19:11] <snap-l> brousch: Puscifer: A band with Maynard James Keenan as the lead, with a rotating roster of musicians
[19:11] <snap-l> brousch: Pigface: Same concept of rotating musicians, but playing INdustrial music
[19:11] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigface
[19:11] <brousch> bah, tool
[19:12] <snap-l> brousch: It's not very tool-like
[19:12] <snap-l> Also, what's wrong with TOol?
[19:12] <brousch> we've covered this before
[19:13] <snap-l> I thought we convinced you before that you're wrong? :)
[19:13] <brousch> i do not like tool snap-l-am
[19:13] <brousch> no, you convinced me you're a bunch of tools :P
[19:13] <snap-l> Do you like A Perfect Circle?
[19:13] <snap-l> or did you not get that far?
[19:13] <brousch> i do not like it
[19:14] <brousch> i think it's mostly the singer
[19:14] <snap-l> Man-o-man
[19:14] <snap-l> How about Porcupine Tree?
[19:14] <brousch> i do not know it
[19:14] <snap-l> (not related to Tool at all)
[19:15] <snap-l> Search for Porcupine Tree: Time Flies
[19:15] <snap-l> and tell me if you like that
[19:15] <brousch> i only listen to openmetalcast music now
[19:16] <snap-l> I find that extremely hard to believe. :)
[19:16] <snap-l> OK, did you like Carthasy?
[19:16] <brousch> i'm a few episodes behind at the moment
[19:17] <snap-l> It was an interview episode
[19:18] <brousch> what happens is that i listen to an episode, note the songs i liked, then go to jamendo/whatever, listen to all of their other music, and download what i likedto incorporate into my local playlists
[19:18] <brousch> sometimes that takes a while and i fall behind
[19:18] <snap-l> no worries
[19:18] <snap-l> I should have a catch-up episode
[19:18] <snap-l> no new music, just different tracks
[19:18] <brousch> heh
[19:19] <snap-l> you're not the only one that's said they're a few episodes behind
[19:19] <brousch> interestingly that means that i would listen more if you'd not put so many good ones on each episode
[19:19] <snap-l> hah
[19:19] <snap-l> Maybe episode 40 will be a catch-up
[19:20] <brousch> what i need is my generic list/queue service so i could push them up there and not worry about losing them
[19:21] <snap-l> There's only so much I can do
[19:21] <snap-l> although, having a music recommendation service might be neat.
[19:22] <brousch> the other problem is while i'm listeing to jamendo i see a song with an interesting tag so i go listen to all the other songs with that tag and find good stuff
[19:22] <snap-l> Download the tracks, put them in Audacity, and you too can have a show.;)
[19:23] <brousch> i refer the best finds back to you after making sure they have not appeared on omc
[19:23] <snap-l> I appreciate that.
[19:24] <snap-l> Frankly since Jamendo is borked it's getting a little harder to find things.
[19:24] <snap-l> Last two shows have been 100% Bandcamp
[19:25] <snap-l> bandcamp usually has a higher signal to noise ratio, but there's still some bands on there that are just awful.
[19:25] <brousch> what is broken on jamendo?
[19:26] <snap-l> New albums aren't showing up nearly as often as they used to
[19:26] <snap-l> U used to be able to browse Jamendo and get several pages of new albums
[19:26] <snap-l> now, I've gone several weeks with only a trickle
[19:44] <brousch> that was weird. adb was using 75% of my CPU and i have never even used it on this computer
[19:45] <snap-l> ad block plus?
[19:46] <brousch> android debug bridge
[19:47] <snap-l> Ah, wasn't familiar with it.
[19:47] <brousch> well you should be!
[19:51] <snap-l> Wll, I will be, once I'm doing Android Development.
[19:51] <snap-l> Sheesh
[19:58] <rick_h__> how we all doing?
[20:00] <snap-l> Doing OK so far, yourslef?
[20:02] <brousch> rick_h__: very well, thanks
[20:02] <rick_h__> tired, late work day. didn't get done until almost 8pm
[20:03] <rick_h__> but relaxing time
[20:03] <brousch> that's why it's a sprint!
[20:03] <rick_h__> party on!
[20:53] <snap-l> What's the group-think on Pro Puppet? Good / bad /awful?
[20:53] <snap-l> http://www.apress.com/9781430230571
[20:56] <rick_h__> meh
[20:57] <brousch> Salt
[20:58] <snap-l> brousch: I understand Meh, but not "Salt"
[20:59] <brousch> http://saltstack.org/
[21:01] <snap-l> Interesting
[21:02] <snap-l> I love that there's no longer just naming conventions for projects, but whole naming-ecosystems
[21:02] <snap-l> salt has "grains"
[21:56] <nullspace> see and here I thought it was a way to easily salt your hashes
[21:58] <nullspace> snap-l: crap I just realized I didn't play "we three kings come" from kamelot before or during christmas last year
[23:38] <snap-l> Howdy
[23:57] <_stink_> yo


[12:09] <\sh> slomo: I replied to the debian maintainer already...send your dpatch as attachment..
[12:10] <seth_k> siretart, sorry to bother but did you figure out the REVU thing... without being able to login I can't comment
[12:57] <Kyral> Ouch Segfault in OO.org2
[01:08] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[01:08] <minghua> hello LaserJock
[01:11] <Kyral> This stinks. I need to make a Powerpoint and OO is segfaulting on me
[01:12] <LaserJock_away> Kyral: on dapper or breezy?
[01:12] <Kyral> dapper
[01:32] <Kyral> Three different versions of OO.org2
[01:33] <Kyral> all Segfault for the same reason
[01:34] <Kyral> I am left with only one option
[01:34] <Kyral> I can't make a proper PowerPoint
[01:34] <Kyral> but I can make a damn good webpage that behaves like one!
[01:48] <cevizoglu> PowerPoint is useless
[02:26] <Kyral> cevizoglu, but I am presenting to a busniess class where PowerPoint is the rule unfortunately
[02:26] <Kyral> and once again I will pull up with a subpar thing
[02:27] <Kyral> but damnit if it won't be proper HTML!
[02:27] <cevizoglu> :)
[02:28] <Kyral> I may not have fancy backgrounds, but damnit if my XHTML and CSS won't conform to the standard!
[02:28] <cevizoglu> CSS does backgrounds well
[02:29] <Kyral> I know, I mean like a graphic ;P
[02:29] <Kyral> I just wish I knew JavaScript so I could put in a nice transition when I click on the Next link, or hell, even map the Spacebar to the link
[02:30] <cevizoglu> google taught me how to do that  :)
[02:30] <Kyral> I don't have enought time to Google ;P
[02:34] <Kyral> Would appreciate if you could dig something up :P
[02:39] <hub> hi
[02:40] <Kyral> Another reason I should take out MS, so i will never be expected to make a damn PowerPoint ;P
[02:40] <crimsun> don't worry, I've already tried that
[02:40] <crimsun> you'll end up using OpenOffice Impress instead
[02:41] <Kyral> lol
[02:41] <Kyral> I can't
[02:41] <Kyral> its friggin' segfaulting
[02:45] <cevizoglu> Kyral, I'll see if I can whip something up
[02:45] <Kyral> ty
[02:46] <Kyral> I just want to get the basic stuff like content in tonight and basic structure
[02:46] <Kyral> I can tweek it before class ;P
[02:48] <schweeb> anyone know when the next CC meeting it?
[02:48] <schweeb> *is
[02:49] <Kyral> Like next Tuesday I believe
[02:49] <cevizoglu> Kyral, here is a "changing picture" example... it uses settimeout and dhtml to change the image
[02:49] <cevizoglu> http://www.subuntu.com/test.htm
[02:49] <cevizoglu> you can grab the copy locally with curl
[02:49] <cevizoglu> or view source from the browser, etc.
[02:50] <schweeb> any MOTUs care to vouch for me for membership?  I was approved months ago, mako never did anything with my CoC, so I got lost in the mix :-/ I no longer have my IRC logs of that meeting too :(
[02:51] <schweeb> now that I'm going to start contributing again, I figure I should get that all cleared up
[02:51] <crimsun> schweeb: documented on the wiki, correct?
[02:51] <Kyral> Actually I have to clean up my Wiki......I still don't know if I should go for Membership this time around...
[02:52] <schweeb> crimsun: yea, previous work is still documented on the wiki
[02:52] <schweeb> couple of packages repaired, general (occasionally) helpful IRC presence, etc...
[02:53] <schweeb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisScheib
[02:55] <crimsun> schweeb: I'll vouch for you, sure, but you need to document your involvement a little more explicitly
[02:55] <crimsun> links to bug reports, package work, etc. are all recommended
[02:56] <schweeb> speaking of contribution... what's the "proper" way to view universe bugs in malone?
[02:56] <schweeb> I couldn't figure it out
[02:56] <crimsun> you mean the proper way to link to them?
[02:57] <schweeb> no, view them, when you're looking for packages to fix and such
[02:58] <crimsun> you should be able to just browse to Ubuntu
[02:58] <schweeb> there doesn't seem to be a good way to filter to view universe only bugs
[02:59] <LaserJock> schweeb: sometimes I use launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs but I don't think that gets everything
[02:59] <schweeb> ah
[02:59] <schweeb> cause this link doesn't work: https://launchpad.net/malone/assigned?name=motu
[02:59] <schweeb> which is the one that I've been trying.
[03:00] <schweeb> that's the link "assigned to: BLAH" gets you too from a normal bug view
[03:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I find launchpad to be quite confusing
[03:01] <schweeb> still got a few quirks, that's for sure
[03:02] <schweeb> RequestExpired
[03:02] <schweeb> A server error occurred.
[03:02] <schweeb> wtf
[03:02] <schweeb> :(
[03:02] <Kyral> It happens
[03:02] <Kyral> I usually give Launchpad a while then try again :P
[03:02] <zakame> hi all
[03:02] <schweeb> wait a sec... aren't most of the Ubuntu channels logged to somewhere?
[03:03] <schweeb> if so, anyone know where?
[03:03] <zakame> yep
[03:03] <crimsun> fabbione's logs
[03:03] <tritium> people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:03] <zakame> and locoteam logs at ubuntu-de.org/irclogs
[03:03] <schweeb> hopefully they go back ~6 months :)
[03:04] <schweeb> and they do
[03:04] <schweeb> score
[03:04] <zakame> hi slomo
[03:07] <LaserJock> Kyral:hmm maybe you need to try when more people are around ;-)
[03:07] <crimsun> Kyral: wiki url?
[03:07] <Kyral> lol
[03:08] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[03:08] <Kyral> Most of my contrib comes via the Forums
[03:08] <Kyral> hence why I linked my Forum profile
[03:08] <zakame> Kyral: ooh
[03:10] <LaserJock> I know Lathiat's wiki is supposed to be good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrentLloyd
[03:10] <crimsun> Kyral: need a bit more involvement imo
[03:10] <Kyral> Yah, this may change over the weekend
[03:10] <Kyral> Holding an installfest :D
[03:11] <zakame> Kyral: yeah, keep up the good work :D
[03:11] <Kyral> and might wind up creating a LocoTeam for Potsdam NY
[03:11] <Kyral> I have a lot of fun ideas (Like deploying Edubuntu into the Potsdam School District ;D)
[03:21] <Kyral> The install day should be fun :D
[03:22] <zakame> Hmmm, after uploading to REVU, what do I do next?
[03:25] <crimsun> you wait.
[03:25] <crimsun> or keep fixing and uploading
[03:26] <zakame> crimsun: ok :)
[03:27] <cevizoglu> are there any packages which use NP-Hard algorithms?
[03:27] <cevizoglu> I'm researching NP-Hard right now and I might like to jump in
[03:28] <crimsun> you'll have better luck keeping things separate
[03:29] <schweeb> woohoo
[03:29] <schweeb> <3
[03:29] <schweeb> IRC logs rule
[03:29] <cevizoglu> crimsun, are you talking to zakame?
[03:29] <schweeb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/archived/2005-05/ubuntu-meeting-2005-05-10.html
[03:29] <crimsun> cevizoglu: no, you.
[03:30] <zakame> schweeb: glad you got yours :)
[03:30] <cevizoglu> crimsun, keep what separate?
[03:32] <crimsun> cevizoglu: your research separate from packaging for the time being :p
[03:32] <crimsun> keep in mind that any package dealing with a compiler or interpreting touches NP-hard
[03:33] <crimsun> s/interpreting/interpreter/
[03:33] <cevizoglu> crimsun, I don't want to add anything of mine to packaging, I want to understand other approaches to NP-hard
[03:33] <crimsun> (as I'm sure you know, having to deal with grammars)
[03:33] <cevizoglu> crimsun, If I add something, it would be apart from my own research
[03:34] <crimsun> cevizoglu: I don't  _think_ there's any package specifically geared to facilitate it
[03:34] <cevizoglu> crimsun, but there's no code which has to deal with NP-hard problems?
[03:34] <schweeb> zakame: now I just need someone on the CC to throw me in the group on launchpad ;)
[03:35] <crimsun> cevizoglu: any language compiler or interpreter does
[03:35] <cevizoglu> crimsun, ok
[03:35] <crimsun> but no, I doubt anyone has written a knapsack package specifically for the purpose of helping others understand P=NP, etc.
[03:36] <crimsun> or at least why we theorize that P=NP
[03:36] <schweeb> next comes motu-ness, which I still have quite a bit of work at
[03:36] <zakame> schweeb: ooh
[03:36] <schweeb> s/have/have to put/
[03:37] <schweeb> silly job, interfering with my ubuntu stuff
[03:39] <zakame> wb Kyral
[03:39] <Kyral> Thanks
[03:39] <Kyral> it seems that I broke Beagle somehow
[03:40] <Kyral> and then I had to reboot which meant I had to recompile the NVidia Module
[03:46] <farruinn> reboot == recompile modules? I don't follow
[03:48] <zakame> Kyral: couldn't you just /etc/init.d/gdm stop,  rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia, then /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[03:49] <bmonty_laptop> hey alll
[03:49] <bmonty_laptop> how is UBZ going?
[03:49] <Kyral> zakame, nope
[03:50] <Kyral> Okay, something is causing my CPU to spike violently
[03:50] <Kyral> and I have no clue WTF it is
[03:51] <LaserJock> hi bmonty_laptop
[03:51] <zakame> Kyral: is this always, or just upon/after bootup/
[03:51] <Kyral> just now
[03:51] <Kyral> and the System Monitor aint telling me whats doing it
[03:51] <bmonty_laptop> hey LaserJock
[03:52] <zakame> even top
[03:52] <Kyral> top says its okay
[03:52] <Kyral> but performance suggests that the CPU is going NUTS
[03:52] <Kyral> Gah why is Beagle doing this?
[03:53] <Kyral> I saw its usage spike in the downward slope of the last spike
[03:54] <LaserJock> I never have gotten Beagle to work right. I think I had a lot of CPU spikes and such. I just ended up removing it
[03:54] <Kyral> well, it may be that I removed like 200 MB worth of files in a partions that it was indexing ;P
[03:54] <bmonty_laptop> that could be it :)
[03:56] <zakame> Kyral: yeah, maybe it's updatedb updating
[03:56] <Kyral> Yah it has a lot of tasks (Checked the status)
[03:56] <Kyral> Here we go again!
[03:59] <zakame> hmmm, LP's login time is too quick
[03:59] <farruinn> as in the timeout?
[04:00] <LaserJock> dang, gobby has 11 bugs in 3 days old or less
[04:00] <zakame> yep... I logged in a while ago to do some translations, then, when committing them, I get an auth error telling me I'm not logged in :(
[04:04] <Kyral> task done ;P
[04:06] <Kyral> I spoke too soon *gets smashed away by the flood of indexing*
[04:07] <LaserJock> gez, what the heck are you doing?  :P
[04:15] <Kyral> Its the first Split I've seen on Freenode
[04:17] <crimsun> this is the Nth of N**N
[04:41] <LaserJock> hi azeem
[05:38] <Kyral> oy oy oy
[05:38] <Kyral> someone wnats to know if the MOTU bugfixing is as fast as the main boys
[05:39] <LaserJock> faster ;-)
[05:39] <LaserJock> I really don't know, how would you tell?
[05:40] <Kyral> no clue
[05:47] <LaserJock> i guess you could look at the fixes/total bugs ratio
[05:51] <Kyral> Has anyone gotten Google Earth to work on Linux yet?
[06:06] <Kyral> FireAlarm! Very nice
[06:07] <schweeb> Kyral: ?
[06:08] <farruinn> I assume the fire alarm when off in his dorm
[06:11] <schweeb> ah, yea... that tends to happen once the drunks start rolling in
[06:12] <LaserJock> that's gotta be chilly
[06:13] <schweeb> chilly? how?
[06:13] <farruinn> we go to school in the same town (different schools though) and I had one at 3 AM last year. During winter :(
[06:13] <schweeb> it's actually fairly warm out in MI at least
[06:13] <schweeb> where you at farruinn
[06:14] <farruinn> Potsdam, NY
[06:14] <schweeb> ah
[06:14] <schweeb> I live a bit north of Detroit, MI
[06:14] <schweeb> and yea, it's a bit early, but some drunks could be rolling in now
[06:15] <schweeb> those big red handles look mighty funny while drunk, hehe
[06:16] <LaserJock> well, I'm in Reno, NV and it's fairly chilly
[06:16] <LaserJock> I did my undergrad in Montana and it was fun to see all the people huddled out in the snow early in the morning
[06:17] <schweeb> heh. we're a bit used to snow, to say the least
[06:18] <LaserJock> we had some Hawiians and they hardly ever had much of anything on so they usually just ran fast from building to building ;-)
[06:23] <LaserJock> has anybody made a dapper pbuilder recently?
[06:23] <Kyral> Another one! This time PFD (Potsdam Fire Depo) came
[06:23] <Kyral> LaserJock, I od
[06:23] <Kyral> but I need shower + bed
[06:24] <LaserJock> can I ask a really quick question first?
[06:24] <schweeb> LaserJock: I had ethiopians at my school in MI, had never seen snow before
[06:24] <schweeb> er not ethiopians, kenyans
[06:25] <LaserJock> schweeb: yeah, I think we had some Texans like that ;-)
[06:25] <schweeb> stupid alcohol, makes my brain slow
[06:25] <LaserJock>  libreadline5: Depends: readline-common but it is not installed
[06:25] <schweeb> cept it's snowed in Texas
[06:25] <Kyral> LaserJock, nope, unless you wanna see me naked
[06:27] <LaserJock>  Kyral: ^^ that's the error I am getting when I try to create a dapper pbuilder
[06:28] <schweeb> LaserJock: do a man pbuilder, and see if there's an option to add extra packages
[06:28] <schweeb> LaserJock: or you could find the file that pbuilder uses to determine the packages to install, and modify that manually (and file a bug)
[06:28] <schweeb> not sure if it uses debootstrap or what
[06:28] <schweeb> (I'd help, but I don't have debootstrap or pbuilder installed)
[06:34] <LaserJock> dang, didn't work
[06:35] <Mirno> :)
[06:36] <LaserJock> alright, I gotta go but if I don't get it too work I will file a bug report
[06:36] <tritium> good night, LaserJock
[06:36] <LaserJock> cya tritium. I hope to have some more MOTUScience stuff this weekend
[06:37] <tritium> LaserJock, cool
[06:37] <Kyral> LJ
[06:37] <Kyral> gimme a sec to get dressed
[06:37] <LaserJock> but tomorrow I have to run the lasers so I don't know how much I can do
[06:37] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok
[06:38] <Kyral> and what does MOTUScience do?
[06:38] <schweeb> LaserJock: file a bug anyways
[06:38] <schweeb> I'm sure you're not the only one who has the problem
[06:38] <LaserJock> well, I hope to take better care of science packages
[06:38] <Kyral> I did too
[06:38] <LaserJock> schweeb: will do
[06:38] <schweeb> remember, bugs aren't just for helping you, they're for helping everyone
[06:39] <schweeb> :)
[06:39] <Kyral> but I just renamed my Breezy-base.tgz to Dapper-base.tgz and upgraded it to Dapper
[06:39] <schweeb> even confirming bugs is helpful
[06:39] <schweeb> oh
[06:39] <Kyral> LaserJock, I may be interested in joining your MOTU Team
[06:39] <schweeb> heh
[06:40] <schweeb> Kyral: you can use debootstrap --download-only iirc
[06:40] <Kyral> schweeb, I already had it there and it was easier ;P
[06:40] <schweeb> yea, it's easier at this point in devel, sure
[06:40] <schweeb> :)
[06:41] <LaserJock> well, I am trying to make a dapper pbuilder from scratch just to do it
[06:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: if you are interested in the MOTUScience team go to https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/ and join
[06:43] <Kyral> LJ: Tomorrow, tongiht I'm beat
[06:43] <Kyral> and somehow getting lag like NUTS
[06:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: me too
[06:43] <LaserJock> good night everybody!
[07:13] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[09:04] <zyga> morning motus :)
[09:25] <zakame> hi all
[09:28] <zakame> hi vuntz
[11:13] <zakame> hi all
[11:34] <schweeb> yay, my membership status should be all set up RSN
[12:35] <pef> hello
[01:33] <Kyral> mornin'
[01:35] <slomo_> hi Kyral
[01:36] <Kyral> Okay, next CC meeting is at 1400 UTC. Which means....0900 EST?
[01:36] <slomo_> Kyral: date --utc
[01:37] <Kyral> EST is 5 hours behind UTC...
[01:38] <Kyral> yah that would be right
[01:38] <Kyral> I guess that solves the question as if I will go for Ubuntu Membership this time around
[01:39] <Kyral> I'll be effectively at class at that time ;P
[01:49] <Kyral> Wait next Tuesday.....8 AM Chem Lab...I will be in class ;P
[01:52] <\sh> moins
[01:53] <Kyral> mions?
[01:53] <\sh> Kyral: no....moins is a short form of "moin moin" and means "good morning"
[01:53] <Kyral> ah
[01:53] <slomo_> hi \sh
[01:54] <Kyral> moins to you then :D
[01:54] <\sh> but it's a wonderful day...friday, i have a cold, my throat is sored somehow
[01:55] <\sh> but good to know, that my body was fighting the cold until yesterday
[01:55] <Kyral> UBZ winding down?
[01:56] <\sh> looks like
[01:56] <\sh> i was wondering how long it took to get ill...coming from germany with 20 degrees C to montreal with under 10 deg C
[01:57] <Kyral> hmm, its 2 degrees C here
[01:58] <\sh> well..running around only with a shirt and all our smoking bofs here...
[01:58] <Kyral> lol
[01:59] <Kyral> This is one of the many reasons why I don't smoke ;P
[01:59] <\sh> anyways...when I'm coming home..I have one week more to get rid of the cold
[01:59] <\sh> but my headache is driving me crazy
[02:00] <Kyral> Tea will be good for both I believe
[02:01] <\sh> Kyral: do u know if they have roiboosh tea here?
[02:01] <Kyral> roiboosh tea? Never heard of it. What is it?
[02:02] <\sh> redbush tea :)
[02:02] <Kyral> though it sounds familar
[02:02] <\sh> well...i have to ask our ZA guys around here
[02:02] <Kyral> You should be able to find it somewhere in Montreal
[02:02] <Kyral> I mean its a huge city
[02:02] <Kyral> "Its like New York City! Only Better!" - One of the locals I ran into a couple weeks ago
[02:03] <\sh> ok breakfast
[02:31] <zakame> ehlo everyone.name
[03:11] <zakame> wb ogra
[03:16] <koke> hey, I need some help with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libflash/+bug/3829
[03:16] <koke> I'm pretty sure it has to be a naming policy on debian-policy
[03:16] <koke> but I can't find it
[03:22] <zakame> wb dholbach
[03:23] <dholbach> hey zakame
[03:23] <zakame> koke: hmm, if d-p ought to be strictly followed, that would have been libflashX, where X matches the SONAME
[03:24] <zakame> dholbach: I was able to upload my first (library) package for Ubuntu yesterday :)
[03:26] <dholbach> wow
[03:26] <dholbach> cool
[03:27] <koke> zakame: it's libflash0c2
[03:28] <zakame> koke: yep, just saw the LP page now :)  iirc there was already a gplflash metapackage...
[03:32] <koke> maybe it could work to just change the descriptions from GPL Flash to gplflash
[03:37] <zakame> koke: hmm, that's just the same, with only minor diff... not really viable unless you're a legalist :)
[03:38] <koke> the only problem seems to be that people searches for gplflash
[03:38] <koke> and get no results
[03:40] <zakame> koke: hmmm, you're right
[03:41] <zakame> koke: then again, I'd search for `flash' not `gplflash' 'coz I'm more concerned with getting a working flash implementation, from a user perspective :)
[04:21] <mgalvin> hi all
[04:22] <mgalvin> i got cegui_mk2 0.4.0 and ogre3d 1.0.5 built and uploaded to revu, would anyone possibly have some time to take a peek at them?
[04:26] <zakame> hmmm, how do I know if someone is looking at my package in REVU?
[04:27] <ajmitch> zakame: you don't, currently :)
[04:28] <zakame> ajmitch: ah, ok :)  so how long does a package stay in REVU until its rejected or accepted?
[04:29] <Lathiat> zakame: undefined
[04:31] <zakame> hmm..
[04:33] <hub> lathiat: we start the zeroconf bof
[04:35] <Lathiat> hub: i just updated the ZeroCOnfSpec page
[04:35] <Lathiat> hub: take a look and pass around :)
[05:07] <zakame> bye all
[06:28] <siretart_> does lucas nussbaum happen to be around here?
[06:29] <siretart_> anyone knows if he already has some public archive for his motu-tools package?
[06:47] <slomo> hunger: apt-get install dh-make
[06:48] <hunger> slomo: Oh, stupid me. I assumed it to be part of debhelper.
[06:49] <hunger> slomo: Thanks!
[06:49] <slomo> np :)
[09:50] <schweeb> wassup ogra
[09:51] <ogra> BOFs and meetings all over the place
[09:52] <schweeb> finally got the whole membership all cleared up, all official in launchpad and everything  :)
[09:52] <schweeb> now I should get me one of them pretty hostmasks :p
[09:53] <schweeb> trolled malone and couldn't find much universe related to do earlier :(
[10:12] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ping
[10:13] <\sh> siretart: didn't we have a link to some pdfs with the content of Unfrgivens introdeveldocs?
[10:13] <crimsun> schweeb: eh? There are tons of things
[10:15] <siretart> \sh: introdeveldocs is on revu, I don't know where it is actually located
[10:15] <\sh> siretart: ok....doesn't matter
[11:03] <MOSMarauder> Hi FOLKS
[11:03] <MOSMarauder> anyone here who knows about a THAI ubuntu version?
[11:10] <minghua> MOSMarauder: Thai is noted as th in locale, right?
[11:10] <minghua> MOSMarauder: if so, I doubt it, since Thai don't even have debian-installer translations
[11:13] <MOSMarauder> shit
[11:14] <MOSMarauder> thats exactly what i need
[11:14] <MOSMarauder> a Thai DVD install
[11:14] <MOSMarauder> or better THAI INstall DVD ;)
[11:14] <MOSMarauder> cuz most times in TH they have slow inet conns
[11:15] <minghua> MOSMarauder: good time to start a translation team :-)
[11:15] <MOSMarauder> what i need to translate ?
[11:15] <MOSMarauder> *G*
[11:15] <Kyral> Heya
[11:18] <minghua> MOSMarauder: I don't know if ubuntu has special translation teams.  I work in debian-installer translation team on Debian side
[11:19] <MOSMarauder> k
[11:19] <crimsun> rosetta's a good place to start, MOSMarauder
[11:20] <MOSMarauder> been ther .. translated there some things -> german ;)
[11:20] <MOSMarauder> e
[11:22] <minghua> crimsun: I just skimmed rosetta packages, it seems they don't cover d-i, do they?
[11:23] <crimsun> minghua: not in a position to answer, sorry. Ping Kamion or pitti.
[11:23] <crimsun> (my hunch is that they don't cover d-i)
[11:23] <minghua> crimsun: okay, it's not an important question anyway, I'd better not bother them :-)
[11:24] <minghua> especially that I'm not planning to work for rosetta
[11:38] <LaserJock> Kyral: hola
[11:38] <Kyral> Hey Boss, I think I found a good proggy for MOTU Science
[11:39] <LaserJock> yeah, what is it?
[11:39] <Kyral> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1123
[11:40] <Kyral> Even better they are actually looking for people to make debpacks for them
[11:41] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, I saw that
[11:41] <LaserJock> looks promising
[11:41] <Kyral> Shall we contact them and offer to take care of Ubuntu/Debian?
[11:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: if you want to. I think it looks pretty good, especially if they are looking for .deb maintainers
[11:43] <Kyral> Cool
[11:43] <Kyral> And I happen to have Sid, Sarge, Breezy, and Dapper PBuilders ;P
[11:44] <LaserJock> yeah, I got Breezy and Dapper squared away today
[11:47] <Kyral> I'll look to see how easy of a build it is
[11:49] <Mez> Kyral: hehe I need a sid pbuild right now but it's broken
[11:49] <Kyral> Whee! Looks like AutoConf! dh_make should have no problem
[11:50] <Kyral> Mez I just made a Sarge PBuilder, copied the base.tgz, and upgraded it using Sid apt lines
[11:50] <Mez> Kyral: it's just that the sid wont build thats all
[11:50] <Kyral> ah
[11:51] <Kyral> LaserJock, you wanna email them?
[11:51] <Kyral> You are the team leader after all
[11:52] <LaserJock> ok, I will. also, check out our wiki page
[11:52] <Kyral> Yah I have to add myself
[11:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: been there, done that ;-)
[11:53] <Kyral> eh?
[11:54] <\sh> MOTUs / MOTUs wanna be LISTEN UP
[11:54] <Kyral> Yessir?
[11:55] <\sh> We will schedule a special UBZ MOTU meeting tomorrow (Canadian time). Right now, we don't know the time but stay alarmed....a lot things have to be discussed, ressources assigned etc.
[11:55] <crimsun> that sounds pretty dire
[11:55] <crimsun> "alarmed?"
[11:55] <Kyral> Uhoh
[11:55] <Kyral> Umm, LJ, tell me the time, I gotta go meet people for dinner, okay?
[11:56] <Kyral> Or even better, someone send an email out over the Devel list
[11:56] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok, and I will email the FlowDesigner people
[11:56] <Kyral> kk ;P
[11:58] <ajmitch> \sh: I'll try & be awake then :)
[11:58] <\sh> if anyone can update the topic, please do with the "pre" announcement of the meeting...somehow I can't do it
[11:58] <crimsun> I don't have chanserv access for this channel, but others do
[11:59] <\sh> ok...will deal later
[11:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: were you going to write up the minutes from the last meeting?
[11:59] <\sh> with it


[15:31] <sarnold> good morning
[15:32] <doko> hi
[15:32] <doko> cpaelzer is not joining today
[15:32] <didrocks> hey
[15:33] <GunnarHj> I'm visiting due to an AOB item
[15:33] <doko> jamespage?
[15:33] <jamespage> kinda tied up atm
[15:33] <doko> ddstreet: ?
[15:33] <jamespage> apologies
[15:33] <ddstreet> o/
[15:33] <doko> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:33] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:33:59 UTC.  The chair is doko.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:34] <doko> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:34] <doko> I don't have a list ...
[15:35] <didrocks> I have handled my 2 of last week list, I don’t remember the rest for others
[15:35] <doko> did so for my action as well. ok, let's skip this
[15:35] <sarnold> /lastlog action doesn't look like it's got anything from these meetings
[15:35] <doko> #topic current component mismatches
[15:36] <doko> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:36] <doko> needrestart not yet addressed by foundations
[15:37] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbackuppc-xs-perl/+bug/1910262 is in progress, and needs security review
[15:37] <sarnold> iniparser feels new to me
[15:38] <doko> ok, I'll take that
[15:38] <doko> mozc/abseil is still unresolved
[15:38] <doko> who is pkg-ime?
[15:39] <didrocks> an empty MIR for abseil is opened, but missed the tag to be listed
[15:39] <doko> didrocks: #1908502 is incomplete
[15:39] <didrocks> seb128 will do the MIR AFAIK
[15:40] <ddstreet> for usrmerge, I approved it and put into in-progress; but since it's already seeded, should i just move it directly to fix-committed?
[15:40] <didrocks> doko: dunno about this one, we didn’t talk about libtiff5 last week, I can chase
[15:41] <doko> ddstreet: ok, I'll promote that after the meeting
[15:41] <ddstreet> thanks
[15:41] <doko> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:42] <doko> nothing new
[15:42] <doko> #topic New MIRs
[15:42] <doko> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:43] <didrocks> door bell
[15:43] <doko> I don't any new ones
[15:43] <sarnold> :)
[15:43] <doko> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:43] <doko> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:44] <GunnarHj> Maybe that's where my item comes in.
[15:44] <GunnarHj> This is about the opencc MIR at bug #1909665. We were asked to add a symbols file for libopencc1.1, but since it's written in C++ doing so proved to be harder than I first realized. I was invited by didrocks to talk about it here.
[15:44] <GunnarHj> So I guess my questions are:
[15:44] <GunnarHj> 1. Should a symbols file be a requirement for including a C++ library in Ubuntu's main?
[15:44] <GunnarHj> 2. Even if it normally is, is there room for an exception in case of a non-core library with a specific target user group? (libopencc1.1 facilitates conversion between simplified and traditional Chinese.)
[15:45] <doko> #topic Any other business?
[15:45] <doko> the formal answer is: yes ;p
[15:46] <GunnarHj> doko: To which of the questions?
[15:46] <doko> to 1
[15:46] <GunnarHj> Ok. Room for exception in a non-core package?
[15:47] <doko> I know it's a pain, however we don't have yet anything better
[15:47] <doko> we really should use abigail instead of symbols files for c++ symbols
[15:48] <GunnarHj> We haven't given up yet, but had a discussion at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opencc/-/merge_requests/1, and the principal maintainer suggested that I ask.
[15:48] <doko> I'm not aware of any exceptions. I would tend to no-exception for now. any opinions=?
[15:49] <doko> looks like -3 has symbols files ...
[15:50] <sarnold> I don't understand the purpose of the symbols files well enough to have strong opinions; if they're part of some automated way to find abi breakage, then I'd guess they're more important with c++ than c, no?
[15:51] <doko> yes, finding ABI breakage. I don't see a difference for c and c++. but with c++, it's harder to see what makes up the ABI
[15:52] <doko> there are a lot of smbols for template instantiations, which vary for optimization levels, archs, endienness and 32/64 bit
[15:52] <sarnold> oh wow
[15:53] <seb128> hey there
[15:53] <sarnold> hey seb128
[15:54] <doko> abipkgdiff <lib1.deb> <lib2.deb> is usually very helpful
[15:54] <seb128> is the MIR meeting over yet?
[15:54] <sarnold> seb128: no, we're right now discussing adding symbols to opencc
[15:54] <sarnold> :https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909665 and https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opencc/-/merge_requests/1
[15:54] <GunnarHj> I learned that the hard way. Created a symbols file and got opencc uploaded, but the build failed in all archs but two.
[15:55] <doko> GunnarHj: https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/symbolfiles.html
[15:55] <GunnarHj> doko: Right, I was told that pkg-kde-tools may help.
[15:56] <doko> so could you give it a try first?
[15:56] <GunnarHj> doko: Sure, as I said we haven't given up.
[15:56] <doko> thanks
[15:57] <doko> anything else?
[15:57] <GunnarHj> Thanks for considering it.
[15:57] <sarnold> thanks GunnarHj
[15:57] <sarnold> doko: nothing from me
[15:57] <doko> seb128: ?
[15:57] <seb128> would that be the right place to discuss removing the 'subscribe an owning team before the MIR is approved' requirement ?
[15:58] <seb128> we got desktop subscribed to flatpak as part of bug #1812456
[15:58] <seb128> but now flatpak rls tagged bugs show up on our report despite the MIR not being approved nor moving since septembre
[15:58] <seb128> which is suboptimal
[15:59] <doko> hmm, who would then be supposed to care about this?  maybe we should delay that to next week when more people are here
[16:00] <seb128> I would suggest the team should be subscribed once the promotion is approved
[16:00] <seb128> get approved, subscribe, promote
[16:00] <seb128> seems a more logical order to me
[16:02] <doko> what's the current state? wait for security review
[16:02] <seb128> yes
[16:02] <sarnold> I can see the frustration with no progress on the package, but seeing bugs filed while its being processed feels like a useful thing to me
[16:02] <doko> let's wait for next week when Christian is here
[16:02] <doko> and james
[16:03] <seb128> k, I will join again next week, thanks
[16:03] <seb128> sarnold, well, it's just that the MIR might be rejected or meanwhile there is no reason we should be on the hook to support a package which isn't in main
[16:19] <doko> oops, I think I forgot to close the meeting
[16:19] <doko> #endmeeting
[16:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:19:38 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-01-19-15.33.moin.txt
[16:26] <sarnold> thanks doko, all :)
[16:27] <didrocks> t h a n k s !