[00:20] <blitzkrieg3> does anyone know a new version of phb crystal ball?
[05:26] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <pitti> cjwatson: to follow the tradition we will wait until you do the vim upload, to get your #1 place in saucy/+queue :-)
[07:51] <pitti> oh noes, seems infinity already broke that and uploaded vim in raring
[07:56]  * geser tries to get vim (from experimental) merged over the weekend
[08:03] <geser> is the mailing list title for saucy-changes on purpose? :) (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Saucy-changes and compare it with e.g. raring-changes)
[08:23] <sunweaver> dbarth: morning!!! I sent some merge requests last night (remote-login-service, unity-greeter). If you have any questions contact me via IRC. Thanks
[09:19] <dbarth> sunweaver: ok, seen it; will review next week during our sprint
[10:20] <ogra_> gah
[10:21] <ogra_> so i upgraded to raring final and my chromebook doesnt boot anymore :(
[10:24] <xnox> ogra_: I think you want to talk to ogra on #ubuntu-arm =)
[10:24] <ogra_> haha
[10:25] <ogra_> he ignores me !
[10:25] <Nafallo> ogra_: clever guy :-)
[10:31] <rbasak> Hmm. I haven't upgraded to raring final yet, though I've got everything on --download-only already. Perhaps I should hold off a bit? Or clone my SD card and try and narrow it down?
[10:31] <rbasak> Thanks for the warning :)
[10:31]  * mpt misses mvo
[10:42] <ogra_> rbasak, well, i use the preinstalled chromeos kernel ... i fear upstart grew some requirements that one cant fulfill :/
[10:43] <rbasak> I'm using the chromeos kernel too. THanks for the warning - I'll experiment when I get round to it
[10:44] <ogra_> i couldnt use the kbd anymore ... USB kbd works
[10:44] <ogra_> and modemmmanager as well as NM respawn until they die
[10:45] <ogra_> X doesnt start either ...
[10:45] <sunweaver> dbarth: awesome.
[10:45] <xnox> ogra_: upstart didn't grow anything in the default install. but i guess pr_ctl call is compiled in. What kernel is chromeos one?
[10:45] <rbasak> Sounds pretty severe
[10:45] <ogra_> 3.4.0
[10:46] <ogra_> well, i wonder if i didnt get a full upgrade yet
[10:46] <rbasak> I'm using Linux chromebook 3.4.0 #1 SMP Sat Nov 24 23:10:02 PST 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux on mine, but AIUI there is a newer build (same base version though)
[10:46] <sunweaver> in the process of reviewing, please contact me on any question that comes up. I have a focussed disposition on getting X2Go remote-login support into saucy (and finally into the next LTS).
[10:46] <sunweaver> dbarth: ^^^
[11:46] <ogra_> rbasak, so i had the phablet ppa in my sources ... seems there was the whole of unity touch added to it the last days ... thats what broke it... if you dont have it you should be safe to upgrade
[12:03] <kaleo> didrocks: do you know who is the bamf expert? trevinho?
[12:09] <didrocks> kaleo: yeah, he's the right guy to poke about it :)
[12:09] <kaleo> didrocks: what's his nick
[12:10] <kaleo> Trevinho
[12:10] <kaleo> :)
[12:10] <didrocks> kaleo: yep ;)
[12:10] <didrocks> kaleo: you can catch him on #ubuntu-unity as well FYI
[12:14] <kaleo> thx
[12:38] <rbasak> ogra_: got it. Thanks!
[12:47] <caribou> what is the best course of action to get a fix present in Quantal into precise-updates ?
[12:47] <caribou> for a fairly small package (i.e. cifs-utils)
[12:48] <caribou> doing mount -o remount {cifs share} {mountpoint} adds a shadow entry in /etc/mtab so it appears mounted twice
[12:48] <caribou> lp: #1144612
[12:51] <seb128> caribou, do a SRU for it?
[12:51] <seb128> caribou, not sure to understand the question ;-)
[12:51] <xnox> caribou: please complete the template on the bug description as per: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template
[12:51] <caribou> seb128: yeah; I meant is it better to get the whole version present in Q (i.e. cifs-util 5.5.1) or just SRU the single patch that fixes the issue
[12:52] <seb128> caribou, the smaller the diff the better
[12:52] <xnox> caribou: single patch, as small as possible.
[12:52] <caribou> seb128: xnox: ok, I'll work on it & hopefully can backport that single commit
[12:52] <xnox> caribou: editing the bug description with a testcase is small and first step.
[12:53] <caribou> xnox: it's in my last comment on the bug
[12:53] <xnox> caribou: that way you or anyone else can work on patch and it will be easy sailing from there.
[12:53] <caribou> xnox: but I'll add it in the SRU template for better visibility
[12:53] <xnox> caribou: bug description that is =) don't edit the template ;-)
[12:54] <caribou> xnox: yep :)
[12:54] <caribou> xnox: I got a clipper note for the SRU template
[12:57] <caribou> xnox: seb128 thanks for the inf
[12:57] <caribou> s/inf/info
[13:36]  * ogra_ wonders if the guy asking for developer inteviews will be done with cross posting to all possible lists on lists.ubuntu.com at any point
[13:50]  * xnox ponders how i got into juju charm authors =)
[13:54] <mardy> seb128: hi! I wrote a message this morning to the ubuntu-devel ML, but it's still waiting for moderation
[13:54] <mardy> seb128: it was about libproxy: Qt 5.1 it will most likely depend on it
[13:55] <mardy> seb128: so maybe if there are issues, it's better to try to fix them in libproxy itself
[13:55] <seb128> mardy, hey, I saw your message
[13:55] <mardy> seb128: ah, OK, I thought it was still waiting
[13:56] <seb128> mardy, it's not, I read it this morning
[13:58] <GridCube> tedg, hi, could i bother you in pm for a moment?
[13:59] <tedg> GridCube, Sure, or you can bother me here :-)
[13:59] <GridCube> :) ok, hi
[14:56] <bdmurray> infinity: do you have any ideas about bug 1105137?
[14:58] <infinity> bdmurray: Haven't had a chance to have ideas.  But my maintainer scripts check for desktop upgrade modes.  Did update-manager regress?
[14:58] <bdmurray> infinity: not from what I can tell RELEASE_UPGRADE_MODE is set to desktop
[15:00] <bdmurray> infinity: I added some details to the bug
[15:03] <infinity> bdmurray: Hrm.  Curious.
[15:15] <ev> bdmurray: hm, https://errors.ubuntu.com/api/1.0/package-version-new-buckets/?package=ubiquity&previous_version=2.12.14&new_version=2.14.6&format=json doesn't return anything though.
[15:17] <bdmurray> ev: hmm, I'll have a look in a bit.  I noticed some false positives with jockey and 0.9.7-0ubuntu7.7 vs ubuntu7.8
[15:18] <ev> bdmurray: cool, thanks
[15:19] <ev> added the results of that run to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/CassandraQueries, so we're keeping track of how fast these things are and saving ourselves from having to dig through old RT emails when trying to estimate/optimise.
[15:21] <bdmurray> jamespage: you might want to have a look at bug 1173240
[15:34] <jodh> smoser: your Friday treat - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1124384/comments/15
[15:35] <jamespage> bdmurray, well thats annoying
[15:36] <smoser> jodh, hooray
[15:36] <ev> mpt: remind me what colour you wanted for saucy? I hope it was a saucy one.
[15:40] <mpt> ev, continuing through the spectrum from green to blue to indigo, we arrive at ... ketchup
[15:40] <ev> lol
[15:40] <ev> and what's the hex code for a bottle of Heinz?
[15:41] <ev> (and its "by 12.04 standards" variant)
[15:42] <mpt> ev, roughly #d20700
[15:42] <bdmurray> I was hoping for brown sauce
[15:42] <ev> hahahaha
[15:42] <mpt> I'm not fussy
[15:43] <ScottK> Should be this color: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/sriracha
[15:46] <ev> Oh how I love The Oatmeal
[15:50] <ckpringle> irwed
[16:43] <Laney> bdrung: here?
[16:43] <bdrung> Laney: yes
[16:43] <Laney> bdrung: do you know what's up with this? http://paste.debian.net/467
[16:46] <bdrung> Laney: dch defaults to the current ubuntu devel release instead of hardcoding one. what do you want? do you want a different behaviour?
[16:46] <Laney> bdrung: no, I'm showing you that there's a difference between the installed executable and the script in the source package
[16:49] <bdrung> Laney: the first hunk is deliberately, let me check the other two
[16:50] <bdrung> Laney: the other two are deliberately, too. see in the Makefile:
[16:50] <bdrung> # On Ubuntu always default to targeting the release that it's run from,
[16:50] <bdrung> # not the current devel release, since its primary use on stable releases
[16:50] <bdrung> # will be for preparing PPA uploads.
[16:50] <bdrung> get_ubuntu_devel_distro() is only used on Debian
[16:51] <Laney> I see
[16:51] <Laney> that's an interesting way of making that change!
[16:52] <Laney> I don't think the comment is right - it's the release that it's built on, isn't it?
[16:53] <bdrung> yes, built on (not run from). i will change that
[16:54] <Laney> merci
[16:54] <Laney> bdrung: or you could fix it to actually do what the comment says and then we won't have to do a no-change rebuild
[16:57] <borior> hey all. I'm just getting started with debuild and friends (and debian packaging more generally) and have a question: is there a way I can get the shlibs for some files put into my control file as "Suggests" rather than "Depends"?
[16:57] <borior> I'm building collectd, which has a few core binaries and then a bunch of plugins
[16:57] <bdrung> Laney: fix pushed. does a no-change rebuild that much?
[16:57] <bdrung> *hurt that much
[16:57] <Laney> Might as well save some CO2 if we can
[16:58] <xnox> borior: split them into multiple binary packages? collectd and collectd-plugins, collectd-plugins-extra ?
[16:58] <borior> I'd like the things the core binaries link against to be in "Depends", but things the plugins link against to be in "Suggests", as in the stock collectd-core package, but I'm not sure how to do that with dh/debuild. If someone can point me to the right docs that would be much appreciated.
[16:58] <xnox> borior: see other similar packages which do that, e.g. nagios & it's plugins.
[16:59] <xnox> borior: in general if you link against it & ship in the package and it's not in the depends, then it's a policy violation. You can really link against things and then downgrade them to suggests =)
[17:00] <borior> xnox: I could do that, but I'd pretty much need a package for every plugin, whereas just making the relevant shlibs "Suggests" solves my problem ...
[17:00] <borior> and it's what the ubuntu stock collectd-core does
[17:00] <infinity> borior: Short answer, you'd call dh_shlibdeps twice.  Once with a -X to exclude the plugins (see dh_shlibdeps(1)), and the second time with "-- -dshlibs:plugins" (see dpkg-shlibdeps(1)), and then put ${shlibs:plugins} in suggests in control.
[17:01] <borior> infinity: thank you very much, that's the bit I was missing
[17:01] <infinity> borior: I'd rather see people split plugins out and have proper deps, though.  Since suggesting libraries won't enforce installation and people will just be grumpy when the plugins don't load.
[17:01] <borior> infinity: okay, I'll look at that as a possibility
[17:01] <borior> this is an internal package only at the moment, though
[17:02] <borior> infinity, xnox: thanks for the help
[17:10] <xnox> infinity: interesting didn't know that trick.
[17:18] <bdmurray> ev: from what I can tell there are no buckets that were first reported about version 2.14.6 of ubiquity all the buckets were already known
[17:22] <slangasek> tedg: I don't suppose you'd like to generalize your apport hook for upstart user job logs, so that any package that contains any user jobs automatically gets any logs attached?
[17:23] <tedg> slangasek, Uhm, sounds cool.  Not sure quite how to do that thought.
[17:23] <tedg> Perhaps pitti could give pointers :-)
[17:23] <tedg> I think that the hook gets run based on the source package name.
[17:23] <xnox> i guess it should go into apport proper -> check package for user jobs & find and attach logs.
[17:23] <tedg> So I don't know how you'd have a hook that would work across all of them.
[17:24] <slangasek> the apport hook can query dpkg for the current package for a list of any files matching /usr/share/upstart/sessions/, then check for any corresponding files matching ~/.cache/upstart/$foo.log
[17:24] <xnox> to be honest that should be done for system pacakges as well, cause not many attach the upstart/job.log
[17:24] <slangasek> hmm, doesn't apport have the binary package name at some point?
[17:24] <slangasek> fwiw, /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ is full of symlinks for binary package names
[17:24] <tedg> I'd imagine that it does, but I don't know that it exports it as a hook.
[17:25] <tedg> As xnox said, I think it'd have to be in apport proper.
[17:25] <slangasek> right, that's what I had in mind
[17:25] <tedg> I don't patch Python programs.  People always argue about style on Python patches.  I hate arguing over how many foreach's I should use.
[17:26]  * slangasek hehs
[17:26] <tedg> :-)
[17:26] <tedg> I don't see any issue with it, but considering the day and time, I'd probably just delay to ask pitti is thoughts next week.
[17:27] <tedg> his thoughts
[17:27] <slangasek> sure
[17:27] <slangasek> just wanted to plant the seed for discussion while I saw you :)
[17:27] <tedg> Heh, cool.  Sounds good.
[17:28] <tedg> Speaking of that, xnox we should talk about acc stuff next week too.  I know tvoss is interested.
[17:28] <dobey> hrmm, if updates require a restart, isn't the system indicator supposed to turn red and show that? update-manager just showed me the restart dialog, but indicator shows nothing about needing a reboot
[17:28] <seb128> tedg, slangasek: note that apport never attached ~/.xsession-errors to avoid sending "private datas", so that's smething we should think about
[17:28] <seb128> dobey, it is
[17:29] <seb128> tedg, slangasek: currently apport has a regexp and "grep" for specific knowing warnings (like the glib/gtk ones)
[17:29] <seb128> and just attach that
[17:29] <dobey> seb128: ok, thought so. guess i'll file a bug if it happens again next time there's an update that requires reboot
[17:29] <slangasek> seb128: why would private data be written to stderr, ever?
[17:30] <seb128> slangasek, define "private", some users consider their username to be private info ...
[17:30] <seb128> or path to files
[17:30] <seb128> or filenames
[17:30] <tedg> slangasek, Perhaps "Authenticating Facebook account 'bob.jones'" ?
[17:30] <slangasek> seb128: to me, the stronger rationale for not including .xsession-errors is "it's full of irrelevant garbage"
[17:30] <dobey> all data is private data
[17:30] <slangasek> well
[17:30] <dobey> and yeah, there is a lot of crap in .xsession-errors :(
[17:31] <tedg> seb128, But bugs with that data are private by default, right?
[17:31] <seb128> slangasek, well, between too much infos and not enough I lean toward the first one, at least it gives me a chance to find what I need
[17:31] <slangasek> given that users have the option to review the contents of the bug report before it's sent, I think they can at least make an informed decision
[17:31] <seb128> tedg, no
[17:31] <seb128> tedg, or pretty much every single bug would be private, seeing how much spamming we have in .xsession-errors
[17:31] <seb128> tedg, a good part being indicators btw ;-)
[17:31] <tedg> seb128, It'd be mostly stacktraces, no?
[17:31] <seb128> tedg, bugs with a dump are private yes
[17:31] <tedg> Heh, we're fixing that with upstart ;-)
[17:32] <seb128> bugs including ~/.xsession-errors errors are not
[17:32] <dobey> restarting indicators makes them not spew data?
[17:32] <slangasek> if they choose not to submit the bug report because it exposes filenames or such, chances are they're not going to be working with us to flesh out an actionable bug report anyway
[17:32]  * dobey runs pkill -9 indicator right now
[17:32] <slangasek> but in any event, I think this is premature optimization
[17:32] <tedg> But what other types of bugs use apport hooks besides stack traces and user initiated ones?
[17:33] <tedg> dobey, It does, but it'll be to the upstart logs here soonish.
[17:33] <seb128> slangasek, well, I'm not against adding the logs, I would have attached .xsession-errors by default before, I'm just saying "talk to pitti, he made apport not do that on purpose" ;-)
[17:33] <dobey> tedg: well, anyone can use ubuntu-bug to add data to a bug. so it doesn't have to only be at initial reporting time
[17:33] <slangasek> k :)
[17:33] <seb128> tedg, what bugs don't use apport?
[17:34] <tedg> seb128, Submitted on LP, no?
[17:34] <dobey> seb128: the ones where apport crashes because the hook uses something not available in python3 because the package only works on python2 ;)
[17:35] <seb128> hehe
[17:36] <tedg> Nobody important uses Python 2.
[17:36]  * slangasek high-fives tedg
[17:36] <tedg> :-)
[17:36] <seb128> slangasek, "users have the option to review the contents of the bug report before it's sent" ... they do, but in practice there is so much information there that's impossible to review it
[17:36] <dobey> compiz (core) - Warn: this should never happen. you should probably file a bug about this.
[17:36] <dobey> those are my favorite ones
[17:36] <xnox> tedg: sure, talking about acc is always interesting =)
[17:37] <dobey> the "hey, there's a bug here!" in stderr/stdout
[17:37] <seb128> slangasek, and with whoopsie we made efforts to not expose technical details, sure there is a button you can click to get that suboptimal UI...
[17:37] <sarnold> .. and there's no way to elide specific bits of the report with that UI
[17:38] <seb128> tedg, btw
[17:38] <seb128> $ grep indicator dbus.log | wc -l
[17:38] <seb128> 2409
[17:38] <slangasek> seb128: I review this information before every bug report I submit
[17:38] <dobey> seb128: and even if users reviewed it, they may not even know they are giving up private data, because much of it can be quite technical and not easily understandable
[17:38] <seb128> slangasek, you have lot of spare time I can see :p
[17:39]  * seb128 hides
[17:39] <tedg> seb128, Yeah, I know.
[17:39] <dobey> it's also really hard to review some of it in the apport UI
[17:39] <slangasek> seb128: no, I just don't submit so many bugs anymore because you never fix them ;-)
[17:39] <seb128> ahah
[17:39] <dobey> because a 500 line stack trace in a single treeview cell is not fun
[17:39] <slangasek> seriously, it doesn't take me that long to review the list of attachments for things that are sensitive
[17:40] <seb128> slangasek, great to see that me not fixing bugs is a win for you ;-)
[17:40] <seb128> right
[17:40] <seb128> I just doubt non-technical users do that
[17:40] <seb128> Stacktrace.txt wouldn't speak to them, even if they would try
[17:40] <dobey> pretty sure they don't
[17:40] <slangasek> granted, not all users will do this or know how, but I think anyone who's actually worried about data leakage will
[17:40] <dobey> otherwise they wouldn't file bugs with private ppa passphrase hashes in them
[17:42] <slangasek> ... which was a bug in the apport hook which has been fixed
[17:42] <slangasek> I don't think it's a tall order to demand that software not spit confidential information out on stdout/stderr
[17:43] <dobey> slangasek: indeed. i'd consider it a critical bug for anything that does
[17:43] <seb128> slangasek, dobey: well, even in debug mode?
[17:44] <seb128> ted was considering turning debug mode on in the upstart job for indicators
[17:44] <seb128> to max out the debug infos in bug reports
[17:44] <slangasek> hm
[17:44] <slangasek> well in that case he was already planning to attach that info :)
[17:44] <slangasek> so it's orthogonal to the question of whether this is a sane default for apport global behavior
[17:44] <dobey> seb128: yes.
[18:24] <Vanderson> Hi, I have a simple doubt.  I trying to start in Ubuntu Dev and I get this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1169904 and make a pacth to it : https://code.launchpad.net/~vandersonmr/gnome-screenshot/bugfix1169904 ; So what should I do next?
[19:37] <iBelieve> I've noticed there is a new version of git-cola available (1.8.2). I checked Debian and it is available in sid. I'm not very sure how new package versions work - will this automatically make it into 13.10 or do I need to file a bug to get it upgraded?
[19:39] <slangasek> iBelieve: it will be automatic because there are no Ubuntu-specific changes to the package
[19:39] <slangasek> if there had been Ubuntu changes, it would not be automatic; a developer would have to merge it
[19:41] <iBelieve> slangasek: Okay, thanks.
[20:35] <dobey> can someone sponsor the debdiff on bug #1173249 into raring-proposed please? since i don't have upload privs to pygobject
[21:54] <Daviey> Logan_: You are keen.  Already running saucy i see :-).
[21:54] <Logan_> lol, you know it. :P
[22:40] <Vanderson>  Hi, I have a simple doubt.  I trying to start in Ubuntu Dev and I get start with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1169904 and make a pacth to it : https://code.launchpad.net/~vandersonmr/gnome-screenshot/bugfix1169904 ; So what should I do next? How  do I sent this pacth to the mainstream?
[22:42] <ScottK> Vanderson: I would ask in #ubuntu-desktop next week.  We just had a release so very few people are around now.


[01:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:18] <Maik_aD> good morning
[06:13] <ducasse> good morning
[06:16] <Maik_aD> hi ducasse
[06:22] <Maik_aD> i'm off to bed, chat later
[06:56] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:51] <coconut> 20.04.1 still on the map for today?
[11:52] <guiverc> coconut, yeah
[11:53] <coconut> ok, thnx
[12:27] <daftykins> you'll receive the version updating text file when the time is right ;)
[12:28] <daftykins> but i suppose LTS to LTS upgrade becoming available is a more serious consideration!
[12:41] <coconut> daftykins, text file?
[12:42] <daftykins> yeah i like to tease the version chasers as i call them, who itch for new versions but of course when your packages are already current, the .1 is just the text file change
[12:58] <leftyfb> daftykins: I think the biggest request is people wanting to upgrade from previous versions which wasn't available until .1
[12:58] <leftyfb> not through do-release-upgrade anyway
[13:04] <daftykins> yeah that's what i self-corrected with saying LTS to LTS
[13:04] <daftykins> i was a bit too quick to tease ;)
[16:48] <coconut> yes! LTS got released :)
[16:49] <coconut> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/08/ubuntu-20-04-1-lts-release
[16:51] <Maik_aD> coconut: it was a LTS already but you mean first point release
[16:52] <coconut> Maik_aD, yes, sorry... i am sleeping here. I did meant 20.04.1
[16:53] <Maik_aD> hehehe... no problem :)
[16:53] <coconut> :)
[16:54] <coconut> i hope the xubuntu and ub-mate flavours follow soon!
[16:56] <Maik_aD> they are released too
[16:57] <Maik_aD> coconut: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04.1/release/    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/20.04.1/release/
[16:58] <coconut> oh... heaven, heaven :)
[16:59] <Maik_aD> ubuntu and it's flavors are always released at once, it only takes the others more time to update their site with an announcement
[16:59] <coconut> i see
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> if you guys like there's #ubuntu-quality where all releases are to follow-up and help test early iso's
[17:15] <coconut> lotuspsychje, i don't install much(i don't like it), but thanks for sharing. :)
[19:51] <tomreyn> so when you scroll down on https://ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you you learn that you can get a free "Ubuntu Server CLI pro tips 2020" cheat sheet if you subscribe to Ubuntu Server weekly news.
[19:52] <tomreyn> There's also a preview image of said cheat sheet. The URL of this preview image is:
[19:52] <tomreyn> https://res.cloudinary.com/canonical/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto,fl_sanitize,w_440,h_331/https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/39a8dac8-Ubuntu_Server_CLI_pro_tips_2020-04.jpg
[19:52]  * tomreyn scratches non-existing beard


[08:06] <ppisati> moin
[08:16]  * smb yawns and starts actively ignoring lots of email
[09:22] <cking> smb 47a133339c332f9f8e155c70f5da401aded69948
[09:24] <cking> and also I need to try out c8b74c2f6604923de91f8aa6539f8bb934736754
[09:26] <infinity> henrix: FYI, #1040557 could be hard to verify in anything other than quantal, given that it relies on booting in EFI mode, which we didn't support until Q...
[09:26] <infinity> henrix: (Just noticed your comment on the bug asking to test it on oneiric)
[09:27] <henrix> infinity: right, i took a look at the patch and didn't realised the
[09:27] <henrix> infinity: 'oneiric' part...
[09:28] <henrix> infinity: thanks for the heads up
[09:28] <infinity> (I'm not actually sure why we backported this back to 3.2 and 3.0, though it doesn't hurt to have it there either)
[09:28] <infinity> cking: ?
[09:28] <infinity> Oh, wait.  No.
[09:29] <infinity> We support booting EFI mode on precise (and maybe oneiric).  I'm half asleep.
[09:29] <infinity> But this bricking issue was only happening on Q kernels, wasn't it?
[09:29]  * infinity shrugs.
[09:29] <infinity> No harm either way, the patch is simple enough.
[09:31]  * cking thought that prevention at all levels is better than bricking
[09:31] <infinity> cking: Yeah, I'm not inclined to disagree.
[09:32] <infinity> Just could be harder to validate this one than most.
[09:32] <infinity> The weird catch-22 of "if it previously bricked machines, no one wants to test" (though, Samsung should be testing quantal for us there) and "if it didn't brick before, all we can verify is that your disabling bit worked" (oneiric and precise, I think).
[09:33] <cking> infinity, indeed
[09:33] <cking> who wants to test something that may brick one's machine?
[09:33] <infinity> Pick me, pick me!
[09:33] <smb`> donkey
[09:34] <cking> as it was, we had jsalisbury did test this patch for me on a later kernel in the non-UEFI mode. the regression risk is really minimal
[09:34] <smb> Obviously Samsung should test on their machines... they may even have some unbrick option... :-P
[09:35] <cking> unbrick uption is "get a new motherboard"
[09:35] <infinity> Well, "replcace the firmware" but, yeah, without bootstrap pre-firmware flashy bits (which either they lack, or their service centres don't know how to use?), it's a new motherboard for end users.
[09:36] <smb> But the worst case we can get would be users whining about lost functionality on older releases. IF it ever did work without bricking
[09:36] <infinity> I assume Samsung themselves fix it with a slightly less large hammer.
[09:38]  * cking not sure how we proceed on this - my preference is to say it should go through w/o verification
[09:39] <infinity> cking: I want verification to the nth degree from Samsung on the Quantal kernel, but for P and O, I'm happy with someone just booting them and saying "yep, the module's disabled now".
[09:39] <infinity> cking: Cause I'm pretty sure P and O weren't bricking things (though we've never had a straight answer there, the bug reports all seem to be Qish)
[09:40] <cking> infinity, I will prod joseph later today to see if I can get him to re-test with Q
[09:40]  * apw yawns
[09:40] <infinity> Cause once I can get Samsung to say "yes, this fixes the world, yay", I intend to respin the quantal/amd64 images with the kernel update and stop the madness.
[09:40] <smb> Maybe nobody really ran those releases in UEFI mode back then. Which is now more often caused be the other OS requirement
[09:40] <cking> have we direct access to Samsung to get this tested ASAP then?
[09:41] <infinity> smb: Tis possible that the laptops recently switched to being EFI by default instead of legacy but, even then, you'd expect a fair number of LTS installs.
[09:41] <infinity> cking: AFAIK, we have some Samsung people standing by to test, but they're not "Linux people", so we'll need to produce an image and hand-hold them through it.
[09:41] <infinity> cking: I'll be trying to make sure that happens this week.
[09:42] <apw> that does match my information
[09:42] <cking> infinity, thanks for the handling that :-)
[09:42] <smb> infinity, True. At least nowish. Ok, people would need a second computer to open the bug report to shout at us. And blame it on the install rather on crappy hw
[10:04]  * ppisati goes out (early) to hunt for food
[13:04]  * henrix -> lunch
[15:27] <ogra_> rtg, apw ... could one of you take care for bug 1096919 ?
[15:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1096919 in linux-nexus7 (Ubuntu) "please enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE in the nexus7 kernel" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096919
[15:27] <rtg> ogra_, working on it...
[15:27] <ogra_> gracias :)
[15:40] <jsalisbury> rtg, it looks like bug 1064924 needs to be reverted per upstream.  Should I create a new bug and submit the revert request, or can I used the existing bug?
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064924 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "Please add LVDS quirk for the zotac zbox" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064924
[15:40] <rtg> jsalisbury, prolly stick to the original bug and note why we're reverting
[15:40] <jsalisbury> rtg, got it, thanks
[15:41]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:46] <dobey> what file should i edit to change the boot command line, if the grub menu won't let me edit the command line (pressing e or c at grub do nothing for me)?
[15:52] <smb> apw, Are you aware of packaging changes regarding libcrypto in raring. Something that definitely did compile before the holidays now fails in the configure stage. *grr*
[15:53] <apw> smb, i am not indeed, might be worth asking on #ubuntu+1-maint though
[15:53] <smb> apw, will do...
[15:54] <arges> smb: which package
[15:54] <smb> arges, xen :-P
[15:54] <arges> smb: i see xen-api/xen-api-libs on ftbfs only for armhf/powerpc
[15:56] <smb> arges, Its the main xen package and even the version currently in the archive now fails in my sbuild environment...
[15:57] <arges> smb: do you have a link to the failing .dsc?
[15:58] <apw> dobey, most of the things you can change are changable from /etc/default/grub2
[15:58] <arges> smb: oh nevermind you mean 4.2.0-1ubuntu5
[15:58] <arges> err
[15:58] <arges> 4
[15:58] <smb> arges, If it is not only me and the first day it would be the pull-lp-source xen raring
[16:01] <arges> smb: trying it now
[16:02] <sforshee> hrm, I just experienced a thermal shutdown on my thinkpad :-/
[16:02] <sforshee> I wasn't even abusing it that badly
[16:04] <apw> sforshee, intel ?
[16:04] <sforshee> apw, yep
[16:04] <apw> raring
[16:04] <apw> have you s/r since boot ?
[16:04] <sforshee> no, precise with the quantal hwe kernel
[16:04] <apw> oh dear
[16:05] <sforshee> I haven't installed a new kernel since mid last week though
[16:05] <bjf> sforshee makes me sad
[16:05] <sforshee> but I've had a thermal shutdown on this machine
[16:05] <arges> sforshee: which kind of thinkpad? and which kernel version
[16:06] <dobey> apw: thanks, i'll try that
[16:06] <sforshee> arges, t410, 3.5.0-19.30
[16:07] <sforshee> I meant to say I've never had a thermal shutdown on this machine previously
[16:08] <arges> smb: ok i get the same error. I can work on a patch if you'd like
[16:09] <smb> arges, No worries. I am on it anyway. Just wanted to find out whether this is sort of known
[16:09] <xnox> Hello, kernels hackers =) does anyone has any hardware that can build ndiswrapper dkms module and load any driver to see if ndiswrapper works?
[16:09] <arges> smb: cool. also did you see the crash patch I attached? added 'binutils' as a Depends. I think you are maintainer right?
[16:10]  * xnox fixed it in raring and now I want to SRU it back to quantal & precise, as it is broken in quantal & precise is getting quantal kernel.
[16:10] <apw> xnox, not me, i wonder if tseliot might
[16:11] <smb> arges, I saw it. And yep, suppose I am sort of.
[16:11]  * smb looks at his dirty fingers
[16:11] <apw> smb is tarnished with it is probabally a better description
[16:11] <tseliot> xnox: no, sorry, I'm not familiar with ndiswrapper
[16:12] <rtg> ogra_, uploaded linux-nexus7_3.1.10-8.20 for bug  #1096919
[16:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1096919 in linux-nexus7 (Ubuntu Raring) "please enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE in the nexus7 kernel" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096919
[16:13] <ogra_> rtg, thanks a lot ... lets see if that boots faster :)
[16:13] <smb> apw, blursed...
[16:13] <rtg> ogra_, yeah, might help ureadahead
[16:28] <sforshee> no luck inducing a thermal event by loading cpus/io and trying to induce gpu activity
[16:28] <sforshee> I wonder what happened to generate all that heat
[16:29] <rtg> sforshee, thunderbird
[16:29] <sforshee> I use mutt/offlineimap
[16:29] <apw> sforshee, have you s/r since you rebooted ?
[16:30] <sforshee> apw, no I haven't
[16:30] <apw> cking is tracking a bug with i915 and s/r making it consume 3x the power
[16:30] <apw> you might try it
[16:30] <sforshee> ack, I'll give that a try
[16:30]  * sforshee disappears for a minute
[16:30] <awe_> cking, ping
[16:30] <cking> well, it's on my TODO list, not quite onto it yet
[16:30] <cking> awe_, pong
[16:31] <awe_> long time...
[16:31] <apw> cking, thats why i say "tracking" and not "fixing" :)
[16:31] <awe_> need some debug help with my thinkpad
[16:31] <jsalisbury> sforshee, its bug 1086123
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086123 in linux (Ubuntu) "3x power consumption compared to quantal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086123
[16:32] <jsalisbury> sforshee, v3.8-rc2 seems to resolve it, but the bug is against raring and not quantal
[16:34] <sforshee> jsalisbury, apw: if it's a regression in raring then I shouldn't be affected since I'm using precise + quantal hwe
[16:34] <sforshee> in practice s/r didn't seem to change anything
[16:35] <sforshee> once my machine hits 95C the temperature starts backing off
[16:35] <apw> man that seems hot to me
[16:35] <sforshee> that's not the normal temp, that's with everything loaded
[16:36] <sforshee> right now it's at 60C
[16:38] <apw> i guess my old clunker just doesn't get so hot
[16:39] <jsalisbury> sforshee, I can get my x201 to hit 100C by loading it up.  I've been able to do it from 2.6 all the way up to 3.8-rc2.  It's interesting it's just started happening to you though.
[16:40] <sforshee> jsalisbury, well it's only happened this one time, and so far I can't reproduce it
[16:40] <jsalisbury> sforshee, I usually control the fan manually if I'm going to do something that loads it.
[16:40]  * apw whines about lenovos
[16:40] <sforshee> jsalisbury, what's odd is that I've done highly parallel kernel builds on this machine before without problem. I wasn't being anywhere near as abusive when it shut down.
[16:40] <cking> i3, and i5 seem OK, i7 based Lenovos seem to get quite toasty
[16:41] <sforshee> this is i7
[16:41] <sforshee> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       M 620  @ 2.67GHz
[16:41] <sforshee> westmere I believe
[16:41] <jsalisbury> sforshee, thats what I got too: model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       M 620  @ 2.67GHz
[16:42] <cking> I've seen that with a fully loaded CPUs and minimal GPU usage these i7 based lenovos get really hot.
[16:43] <cking> and even Windows 7 users gripe about it being toasty hot
[16:43] <sforshee> cking, mine gets hot, but when it hits 95C something is kicking in to mitigate it. The temp immediately drops down to about 89 then starts ramping back up.
[16:43] <jsalisbury> sforshee, I can get my system to overheat by running a bunch of these silly little things in parallel:
[16:43] <jsalisbury> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1507070/
[16:44] <cking> sforshee, at 95 degrees C the CPU is scaled back I suspect
[16:44] <sforshee> i was using stress
[16:44] <sforshee> cking, likely
[16:45] <jsalisbury> sforshee, have you ever updated the bios?
[16:45] <cking> sforshee, the fan takes ~7 seconds to ramp upto full speed, so this means we have a window where the machine can't dump the excessive heat quick enough
[16:45] <sforshee> jsalisbury, I can't recall for sure, but not anytime recently
[16:46] <cking> passive cooling via CPU freq scaling is fairly fast, but even with the CPU scaled back it takes some time for the fan to dump the heat out of the laptop
[16:47] <jsalisbury> cking, and if the fan is partially blocked by dust, or by sitting on a soft surface, it takes even longer :-)
[16:48] <cking> jsalisbury, indeed. but the real kicker is that it seems that quite a few  i7 based Lenovos to get to the TjMax point really easily.
[16:50] <sforshee> this machine is sitting in a docking station on my desk just like usual. Actually there was nothing unusual at all.
[16:51] <sforshee> may have been some difficult-to-hit firmware or kernel bug
[16:52] <sforshee> anyway, I think I'll just keep an eye on my temperature for now and go back to my normal work
[17:12] <lynus> new 12.04 install on my acer S3-391 laptop,randomly freez ,no response to sysrq.Is there any way to get a kernel dump?
[17:13] <cking> bah, one one the many machines in my office is beeping periodically and I can't find which one it is.
[17:14] <apw> cking, check the smoke alarm too
[17:15] <cking> apw, I can't mistake the smoke alarm - it screems at ~100+ dB
[17:15] <apw> cking, mine goes "bip" once like eveyr 5m when its battery is going flat
[17:15] <apw> drives one mental, cause its not long enough to find direction
[17:15] <cking> apw, good point, mine are mains and battery powered
[17:16]  * cking notes that a pure tone beep is directionally hard to detect
[17:19] <cking> bah, this is driving me potty
[17:19] <cking> maybe it's all in my mind
[17:19] <apw> cking, time to start turning everything off one by one
[17:19]  * cking starts with his brain
[17:21]  * ppisati -> gym
[18:19]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:58]  * smb calls it an EOD
[19:56] <apw> ogasawara, ok i've pushed a bunch of config stuff to the tree, it seems to build on everything we still have flavours for
[19:56] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[19:56] <apw> ogasawara, that represents the config review for 3.8 as much as i can stomach
[19:59] <apw> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/configs/raring/reviews/38early.html
[19:59] <apw> ogasawara, ^^ (linked into the spec)
[20:07]  * apw gives it up
[20:11] <bjf> beeg.com
[20:38] <bjf> lol
[20:46]  * rtg -> EOD


[02:39] <chronos> Hello, I want to start development of a py app to use in KDE environment.
[02:39] <chronos> where I should start, I know py, but nothing of gui
[03:13] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1013626] systemsettings crashed with ImportError in /usr/share/kde4/apps/language-selector/language... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013626 (by Xavier Besnard)
[07:38] <ScottK> chronos: I'd start with python-qt and looking at the examples in the -doc package.
[07:52] <allee> chronos: check http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python
[09:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: aha
[09:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'd still put it under 'dropped' since no one bothered to package it for about 18 months now ...
[11:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: If you fancy touching that Mono magic I can send you have I have done before I have given up if it's still there
[11:03] <Quintasan> I can't say if it even works
[11:03]  * Quintasan is now making binary packages for maliit-framework
[11:04] <Quintasan> I sometimes feels like ragequitting the whole packaging business
[11:04] <Quintasan> 2012 and we sometimes get software which has WEIRD buildsystems
[11:04] <Quintasan> Yes qtscriptgenerator, I'm looking at you
[11:19] <apachelogger_> ScottK: port 100?
[11:21] <apachelogger_> ScottK: connection timeout
[12:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger_: -p98
[12:40] <apachelogger_> good lawd
[12:40] <apachelogger_> ScottK: le worky
[12:41] <apachelogger_> or not
[12:41] <apachelogger_> wants a password for some reason
[12:41] <apachelogger_> oh
[12:41] <apachelogger_> that's another host
[12:47] <Quintasan> lal
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Hi, how can I contribute to kubuntu?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Hi, how can I contribute to Kubuntu?
[16:05] <ScottK> debfx: Why are you rebuilding 4.8.5 in staging?
[16:07] <apachelogger_> Quintasan: don't lal at my sophisticated byobu setups
[16:07] <apachelogger_> turns out I was smart anough to have byobu auto-connect to all boxes
[16:07] <apachelogger_> only that fails now
[16:07] <apachelogger_> boooh
[16:07] <apachelogger_> :P
[16:12] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Try 100 again.
[16:12] <debfx> ScottK: to get the list-missing output
[16:12] <ScottK> OK.
[16:12] <ScottK> Anything interesting?
[16:13] <debfx> yes, ark had no icon and kde4libs missed some kdoctools stuff
[16:13] <apachelogger_> ScottK: on 100 I now get a denial of my key
[16:13] <apachelogger_> 98 worked though when I tried
[16:13] <ScottK> OK.  Let me check that.
[16:14] <ScottK> 98 is the old 100, so that's not surprising.
[16:15] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Try again please.
[16:15] <ScottK> Turns out I seriously can't spell authorized_keys.
[16:15] <apachelogger_> ScottK: works, cheers
[16:16] <apachelogger_> I do have sudo I suppose?
[16:16] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Great. Please check you have sudo access also.  You should an pw should be the same as the old one.
[16:16] <ScottK> You should.
[17:28] <debfx> ScottK: ok, I've fixed the packages that missed some files and also pushed a pkg-kde-tools to quantal that always prints list-missing
[17:28] <debfx> ScottK: so in the future just remember to run the kubuntu-ppa-build-status script
[17:39] <ScottK> debfx: Cool.  Thanks.
[17:40] <ScottK> debfx: Please copy them to updates once they're built.  I'll be offline most of the weekend.
[17:41] <debfx> already have
[17:41]  * debfx <3 copy-package
[18:44] <shadeslayer> debfx: yeah, we need to get rid of kopypackage
[19:01] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1035683] upon resuming from suspend, kwin crashes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035683 (by ill)
[20:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger_: > sophisticated byobu setups
[20:22] <Quintasan> >sophisticated
[20:22] <Quintasan> >byobu
[20:22] <Quintasan> pick one
[20:22] <Quintasan> :P
[20:24] <shadeslayer> I choose .... byobu
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did uni start?
[20:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Not yet
[20:24] <shadeslayer> when's your first exam?
[20:24] <shadeslayer> I want to schedule a meeting during your exams :P
[20:24] <Quintasan> October is when uni starts
[20:24] <shadeslayer> I
[20:24] <shadeslayer> even if there's nothing to discuss :P
[20:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: And you think I'm going to tell you when I have exams? :D
[20:25] <Quintasan> Silly shadeslayer
[20:25] <Quintasan> :P
[20:25] <shadeslayer> You're bound to slip that piece of info :P
[20:29] <Riddell> how can he have exams if he hasn't even started uni?
[20:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I thought that uni might have started
[21:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1035683] upon resuming from suspend, kwin crashes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035683 (by ill)


[10:37] <jam> rick_h: so, I've been playing with layers and interfaces, etc. Trying to write a new charm for Jaeger to allow us to easily set up a tracing solution. I was running into weird oddities where if I created a layer and named it "interface-cassandra" it works but if I try to name it "cassandra" it fails.
[10:37] <jam> so I tried installing from snap
[10:37] <jam> but snap install charm
[10:37] <jam> doesn't have 'charm build' anymore
[11:27] <jam> NM, I found the problem. The issue is that I have checked out the real 'cassandra' charm into $REPO, but that means it collides with the interface name in $INTERFACES


[00:46] <philipballew> wy usb wireless adapter connects to the web when pluged into my laptop, but when i plug it into my desktop it shows no networks. anyone know?
[00:47] <philipballew> *my
[00:52] <Captainkrtek> philipballew: I can try to help
[00:53] <philipballew> go for it. if i acdently go offline its because my laptop is buggy but id be back on shortly after
[00:53] <Captainkrtek> heh no problem
[00:53] <Captainkrtek> plug it in
[00:53] <Captainkrtek> then go to System Settings > Hardware > Additional Drivers
[00:55] <philipballew> i figured because there are no propitery drivers on my laptop that might be irrelvent
[00:55] <Captainkrtek> might be for the card
[00:56] <philipballew> the card was in use on my laptop and runs fine from the same spot my desktop sits
[01:08] <philipballew> oh well. :)
[01:10] <philipballew> the only difference on my laptop and desktop is my laptop has 11.04 and desktop is 10,04.
[01:10] <UndiFineD> philipballew, did you update 10.04 with a newer kernel ?
[01:12] <Captainkrtek> hey UndiFineD
[01:13] <UndiFineD> the linux kernel contains all / most drivers for your hardware, upgrading that one might fix the issue
[01:16] <UndiFineD> Captainkrtek, I hope he caught my message
[01:17] <Captainkrtek> Yeah I hope he did too
[01:41] <hajour> goodnight all
[02:36] <ApOgEE> hi, greetings all...
[07:45] <Puck`> good morning everyone
[07:47] <nlsthzn> Puck`: Alo
[07:48] <Puck`> hi nlsthzn (:
[13:45] <tdn> since I installed 11.04 on my lenovo s10 netbook, my wifi is very flaky. I have installed the restricte STA driver, however, it does not work very well. It works for a while then net stops working. In 10.10 I used the other restricted driver: bcm43 or b43 or something. My NIC is: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY.   How do I fix this?
[13:58] <bioterror> solder another chipset, something like atheros or intel ;)
[14:02] <bioterror> I have a laptop HP 8440p with same chipset
[14:02] <bioterror> hardly connects :)
[14:03] <holstein> tdn: you should try the other driver
[14:04] <holstein> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[14:04] <tdn> holstein, how to do that? There is only one restricted driver available. I know there should be one called b43, but it is not there. How do I get it?
[14:04] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[14:04] <tdn> holstein, I already installed those packages. But how do I activate the driver?
[14:04] <tdn> holstein, I have tried following the instructions there, but it does not work.
[14:05] <holstein> tdn: i dont have that hardware, so i cant test for that specific task
[14:05] <bioterror> should I use ethernet? :D
[14:05] <holstein> but, i have suggested that before here, and it worked
[14:06] <holstein> you can also try a windows driver with ndiswrapper
[14:06] <tdn> holstein, it worked just fine in 10.10 but stopped working in 11.04. Appearently others experience the same: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10836043
[14:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[14:06] <tdn> holstein, then what?
[14:06] <holstein> tdn: then, use a windows driver thats appropriate for your hardware
[14:07] <tdn> How do I get that?
[14:07] <holstein> depends
[14:08] <holstein> sometimes you have a driver CD supplied by the vendor. sometimes they are online
[14:08] <holstein> AFAIK, its a bug that keeps both the drivers from *not* showing up in natty
[14:09] <tdn> holstein, no cd. I have tried finding it on broadcom.com.
[14:09] <holstein> tdn: OK, so thats one place
[14:09] <tdn> holstein, ok, so it does not show up. But it should be able to select it anyway or?
[14:09] <holstein> you can flip the unit over, write down some #'s, and open up google
[14:10] <tdn> holstein, how can I trust something I download from a random web page?
[14:10] <holstein> tdn: there are 3 options, the driver you have tried already, the other driver in the repos, and the windows driver
[14:10] <holstein> tdn: ??
[14:10] <holstein> go the the vendor page
[14:10] <holstein> toshiba, dell
[14:10] <tdn> holstein, I did. ould not find the driver.
[14:10] <tdn> Oh.
[14:10] <tdn> holstein, is there a way to isntall the maverick b43 driver inside natty? From ubuntuforums it seems that it has worked for some people.
[14:11] <holstein> tdn: sure, you can search the repo online
[14:11] <tdn> Ok. And just DL the .deb and install with dpkg -i?
[14:11] <holstein> butg, you probaby wont know how to activate that either, right?
[14:12] <holstein> i mean, the packages sholud be similar, they just move the over to natty from before
[14:12] <tdn> Ok.
[14:12] <holstein> *they are probably identical actually
[14:12] <tdn> So I have installed the right driver now. But it does just not show up in the additional drivers dialog. Is that correct?
[14:12] <tdn> So isn
[14:13] <tdn> So isn't there a way to activate the driver without the GUI front end?
[14:13] <holstein> thats what i have understood
[14:13] <tdn> Ok
[14:13] <holstein> did you restart?
[14:13] <tdn> Yes.
[14:13] <tdn> Do you have a link to the bug report?
[14:13] <tdn> I could not find it.
[14:14] <holstein> tdn: i dont have that hardware, so i have not searched for bugs relating to it
[14:14] <holstein> and i need to run out for a bit... BBL
[14:54] <holstein> tdn: i would also consider installing and using the LTS version, lucid 10.04
[16:21] <raubvogel> I installed ubuntu desktop in a machine I wanted to setup as server. Is there an easy way to switch them or should I just reinstall it?
[16:22] <raubvogel> Main thing is I do not want the GUI stuff
[16:52] <Maratich> raubvogel: do you want fast start with text login only ?
[16:53] <raubvogel> Yeah
[16:53] <raubvogel> No point in having gui since machine will be in a rack
[16:54] <Maratich> ok, i think, will be helpful study this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_startup_process
[16:55] <Maratich> what you want - /etc/inittab - change run level
[16:55] <Maratich> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel and this
[16:56] <Maratich> for Ubuntu - upstart daemon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart
[16:58] <Maratich> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/  - and this
[16:59] <Maratich> is this - what you want to know ?
[16:59] <raubvogel> Well, I would like to get rid of all X-windows-related packages
[17:01] <Maratich> i dont use ubuntu 11.04 - prefer 10.04 LTS
[17:01] <Maratich> in my distro - gdm manages all X sessions
[17:01] <Maratich> (gnome display manager)
[17:01] <raubvogel> I am using 10.04LTS right now; I am sorry if my problem description implied otherwise
[17:02] <Maratich> simple way - 1) reinstall 2) change runlevel in /etc/inittab
[17:03] <Maratich> or you can remove X
[17:03] <Maratich> from console - apt-get remove xorg
[17:04] <raubvogel> Would that remove X and all related packages (gdm and firefox and so on)?
[17:04] <Maratich> i dont like it but your comp - your rules
[17:04] <Maratich> this removes only service - X-server
[17:05] <Maratich> if you havent free space - reinstall
[17:05] <Maratich> but copy files from /etc/* if you made some changes in configuration
[17:08] <Maratich> and with "apt-get install elinks" - you can browse the web in text mode ))
[18:00] <kristian-guest> hi all, this is good ole kristian-aalborg
[18:00] <kristian-guest> I'm at a box I'm being told has wireless built in, but I can't see it anywhere
[18:13] <adam61> hi, does anyone know how to enable the integrated flash in chrome? it's supposed to be there automatically, but i've installed 64 bit and now that's all that appears in about:plugins. i haven't been able to get flash working yet and i've tried just about everything i can thing of. any help would be greatly appreciated!
[18:14] <bdfhjk> hi adam61
[18:14] <adam61> hi bdfhjk
[18:14] <bdfhjk> so You instaled 64bit chrome and You haven't flash ?
[18:15] <adam61> no, it's not working for me, but it wasn't before that either.. i've tried firefox and chromium too.. i'm using ubuntu 11.04 as my only os btw
[18:16] <bdfhjk> Do you changed any configure file?
[18:16] <bdfhjk> 'Did
[18:16] <adam61> i don't think so.. pretty sure i haven't. i reinstalled chrome too, but nothing changed
[18:17] <bdfhjk> plugin not working or is not visible?
[18:18] <bdfhjk> Did You notice any error messages?
[18:18] <adam61> it's not working and it's not visible. the only one i have according to about:plugins is the 64 bit one
[18:19] <adam61> no error messages, they just said to download an updated flashplayer, when i ran it with mine disabled
[18:19] <bdfhjk> Try that
[18:20] <bdfhjk> uninstall  flashplugin-installer
[18:20] <bdfhjk> then
[18:20] <bdfhjk> uninstall chrome
[18:20] <bdfhjk> install  flashplugin-installer
[18:20] <bdfhjk> and install chrome
[18:21] <bdfhjk> That can solve possible issue with broken instalation of  flashplugin-installer
[18:21] <bdfhjk> if that not work
[18:22] <adam61> ok thanks i'll give that a shot
[18:22] <bdfhjk> there may be a some kind of chrome bug
[21:34] <tronyx> http://packetstormsecurity.org/news/view/19110/CCAvenue-Denies-Hacking-Attack.html
[21:34] <tronyx> wrong channel
[21:41] <virgo> anyone can help with Code::Blocks program?
[21:48] <Error404NotFoun1> !ask | virgo
[21:48] <ubot2> virgo: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[21:49] <virgo> i have problem compilig cpp project with Code::Blocks IDE. I cant get the libraries working, it cant find the header file.


[00:58] <sorux> hi
[03:10] <konrados> I'm lost... exim is an MTA, so it can only **send** emails, right? Then how is this possible, that from one user (konrad) I was able to send a message to another user on the same machine ( echo "test" | mail -s "Ta2" -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>developer@localhost ) and **then** read this message with the `mail` command, being logged in as a 'developer' user? I thought I need an MDA (like dovecot) for that?
[03:12] <rbox> dovecot is imap
[03:12] <rbox> nothing to do with local mail really
[03:13] <konrados> rbox - But... what program do I owe the fact that the email sent by Exim ended up in /var/mail/developer (i.e., to the recipient)?
[03:14] <rbox>  exim...
[03:14] <rbox> exim does local mail delivery
[03:15] <konrados> rbox, so exim is both MTA and MDA? Oh... soe exim cannot take care about emails sent from internet, a non-local machine, and that is why I need software like dovecot?
[03:16] <rbox> what?
[03:16] <rbox> dovecot is imap
[03:17] <konrados> I want to send an email from say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- I thought I need to install a program like dovcot on myownserver?
[03:17] <konrados> To be able to do that?
[03:17] <rbox> imap has nothing to do with sending email
[03:19] <konrados> Yes... so... if I want to send an email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- what do I need to have on 'myserver.com'?
[03:19] <rbox> smtp
[03:19] <rbox> like exim
[03:20] <konrados> But I'm trying to send an email *not* from myownserver.com - but e.g. from gmail.com. And I want myserver to be able to *receive* the email.
[03:21] <rbox> to send from gmail to your domainn, you need an mx record on your domain pointing to your smtp server
[03:25] <konrados> That contradicts everything I have learned in the last 3 days... and what chatgpt told me... I need to take some melissa or a stronger calming remedy. Geee
[03:27] <rbox> lol
[03:28] <konrados> robx, but before I'll do it, please tell me - why one of the very first things I need to do after installing DoveCot, is setting 'maildir', like this: `mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir` - if Dovecot is only imap, then why it won't just read messages from /var/mail/$user where exim already puts emails?
[03:29] <rbox> there are 2 types of local email stanrdards
[03:29] <rbox> maildir and mbox
[03:40] <konrados> rbox - Yes, when installing exim I selected mbox, someone suggested me this. And exim stores messages in /var/mail/$USER. So, now, when I'll install dovecot, I'm not sure what I should do. I'm trying to understand this: https://doc.dovecot.org/configuration_manual/mail_location/mbox/ They say in my scenario I should use this: `mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u:INDEX=/var/indexes/%u` - I have so many questions about
[03:40] <konrados> it. The first is - Why does Dovecot need its own directory when it already has a directory created by Exim: /var/mail/$user? Why does it need mbox:~/mail
[03:42] <rbox> i already said
[03:42] <rbox> [08:29:18 PM] <rbox> there are 2 types of local email stanrdards
[03:42] <rbox> [08:29:21 PM] <rbox> maildir and mbox
[03:43] <konrados> So... the only reason is that dovecot does not understand maildir? So, if I changed my mind, and reconfigure exim to keep data as maildir (somewhere), then I could point dovecot to this location?
[03:44] <rbox> maybe
[03:48] <konrados> ok, thanks.
[04:58] <theorem> so it looks like I have a "scsi_eh_3" crewing up a ton of cpu
[04:58] <theorem> and pushing up load average in a weird way
[04:58] <theorem>  00:58:12 up 57 days, 22:16,  8 users,  load average: 43.01, 43.02, 43.01
[04:58] <theorem> ( loadavg should be around 3 ).
[04:58] <theorem> any idea how to kill it ?
[04:58] <theorem> ( without restarting the system or hanging the system ? )
[04:59] <rbox> stop the file io
[04:59] <theorem> ok, it's a hung zfs scrub
[04:59] <theorem> I can't seem to stop it ...
[05:00] <theorem> the zpool command to stop just hangs
[05:00] <rbox> 🎶 scrub is a guy that can't get no love...
[05:00] <rbox> sounds like a reboot
[05:01] <theorem> I don;t have physical access to this machine easily, so if it does not release the drive when a reboot occurs, I can't hard reset it
[05:01] <theorem> I do have an ILO (BMC) console on it, but it won;t let me in :(
[05:01] <rbox> remote machines without out of band control is an awful set up
[05:01] <theorem> yes, OOB is setup.
[05:02] <theorem> but it's failing in a weird way -- not letting me login to the out of band console
[05:02] <theorem> complaining of a bad password which .. was correct ..
[06:59] <TheMadDrizzle> Can't really find an approporiate place to ask, but I'm using Ubuntu 23.04 and am having problems running Assetto Corsa Competizione through Proton on Steam.  The app just hangs when it's trying to launch.
[07:01] <TheMadDrizzle> Currently installing the normal Wine/Tricks to see if I can get the game to launch like that.
[08:11] <ice9> what does this service do nvidia-persistenced.service ?
[08:12] <weedmic> ice9: perhaps read this - https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/396.51/README/nvidia-persistenced.html
[08:15] <ice9> weedmic, well this service fails to shutdown EVERY reboot (even on fresh installations) so I had to disable it and I'm not seeing any difference
[08:27] <weedmic> I did not understand the term "tear down" and since it is sunday, had no one to ask.  it is some english-ism that is beyond me.  perhaps it meant analysis (which was my guess), in which case, it wouldn't matter (be noticeable) if running or not.
[09:08] <bobdobbs> I'm using ubuntu 22.04. I'd like to configure sharing between this ubuntu machine and the mac machine sitting on my desk. Using the ubuntu desktop shell, I've right-clicked on a folder and set up it's sharing properties. So now my mac can read that folder and copy from it. But the mac can't write to it, not matter how I configure the folder.
[09:08] <bobdobbs> So at the moment I'm trying to understand how that filesharing works.
[09:08] <bobdobbs> It is using samba?
[09:19] <bobdobbs> back soon. rebooting...
[09:27] <bobdobbs> Is there a gui for samba?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> !samba | bobdobbs
[09:59] <weedmic> bobdobbs: if it were me, I'd decide which machine will host the files, setup that machine with ssh, and let the other machine connect via ssh, sue fish inside dolphin for the filemanager access (or the equivalent for finder on the mac).  the user would never know, just think the files were another directory.  no dealing with samba, etc.
[10:01] <bobdobbs> hai weedmic
[10:03] <bobdobbs> weedmic: I want my ubuntu workstation to host the files. I'd like to be able to read and write to the folder on the ubuntu machine from a mac.
[10:03] <bobdobbs> I've never figured out how to get samba working - or to get it to stay working. I'd bin it if I could.
[10:04] <bobdobbs> My preference is to use mac's finder to access the ubuntu folder. Sometimes I can do that with ubuntu's file sharing. But sometimes the shared folder simply can't be found. And I've never been able to get the mac to write to it.
[10:17] <weedmic> I should not use samba - as stated I'd add an account for the mac user on the ubuntu, add him to ssh, setup ssh, setup some shared location for files, add him as a member, and on the mac connect via ssh.  find out the equivalent for mac of fish protocol for dolphin and use that format in finder.  if you really want to use samba, you need to find someone with more patience than I.
[10:19] <bobdobbs> oh believe me... I'm happy to use any alternative to samba
[10:43] <Apachez> bobdobbs: may I suggest "Gigolo" and scp or sftp then? :)
[11:00] <bobdobbs> Apachez: what is Gigalo?
[11:01] <bobdobbs> Apachez: ah, found it
[11:05] <Apachez> a male prostitute
[11:06] <Apachez> but in this case a great software that can map virtually any filesharing and have that to show up as a particular mount point in your linux box
[11:06] <Apachez> frontend to manage connections to remote filesystems using GIO/GVfs
[11:07] <Apachez> it can for example map locally /mnt/server1 so that uses sftp towards server1
[11:07] <Apachez> or http, or https, or sftp, or scp, or ftps or webdav or... etc
[11:36] <webchat82> what's a 'transitional package'? Looking for fglkrx and apt is finding only fglrx-pxpress and telling me that its a 'transitional package for ubuntu-drivers-common'
[11:43] <thrice> webchat82: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[11:44] <thrice> webchat82: a few things, but they sort of help with providing clean upgrades
[11:47] <webchat82> thrice thank for the link. So does fglrx-pxpress replace fglrx? Or is it a completely different package and should i assume fglrx to no longer be available?
[11:48] <thrice> sorry, I'm not sure about that
[11:48] <thrice> it usually means there was just a renaming
[11:49] <thrice> But i'm not up to speed on fglrx
[11:49] <webchat82> thrice ok, no worries. I am trying to figure out why my radeon driver does not work. Got this on start-up: [5921254] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[11:50] <webchat82> not sure what that means yet either
[11:51] <thrice> are you sure you can't use the open source driver?
[11:52] <webchat82> thrice well looking at lsmod, its trying to use 'radeon' which I think is an O/S driver, but I get that message. There is also amdgpu, but I am not sure how to switch from radeon to amdgpu
[11:53] <webchat82> trying to figure it out bit by bit
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:36] <Metamorphosis> Hello everyone. I have this machine Lenovo G5070, Intel Core i5-4210U (170 GHz 1600MHz, 3MB), 6 GB DDR3L RAM, AMD Radeon R5 M230 2GB, 1 TB 5400rpm HDD, 15.6" HD (1366 x 768) display, Kubuntu 22.04 (dual boot with Windows). It runs very slow. It's terrible. I can't really upgrade to SSD due to budget limits (student here). I wonder if upgrading from 6 gb ram to 8 gb can make a difference.
[12:52] <dickhead> goodbye
[13:04] <ravage> Metamorphosis: i dont think a 250GB SSD is more expensive than the RAM upgrade. and it will improve the performance a lot more
[13:05] <ravage> they start at about 20 dollars or so these days
[13:05] <apatters> A ram upgrade might make a minor difference, but those are pretty old specs. Check out Lubuntu or Xubuntu - they both have lower system requirements than Kubuntu and would run a lot faster on that machine.
[13:06] <ravage> it also depends what is slow
[13:06] <ravage> if only startup and mayste starting applications is slow than the HDD may be the problem
[13:06] <ravage> if the whole system behaves slow see apatters
[13:23] <guiverc>  Metamorphosis, just FYI & largely opinion, but match your desktop (esp. the toolkit/libraries it uses) with your apps for best performance, ie. have them share resources..  Kubuntu uses KDE Plasma which is a Qt5 desktop & needs KF5; LXQt is also a Qt5 desktop (but doesn't require KF5), where as Xubuntu is GTK thus will perform best where you're using GTK3/4 apps  (LXDE performs best with GTK2 apps though few of them still exist)... if you ignore
[13:23] <guiverc> what toolkits/libs your apps/DE use you'll of course need more ram....
[13:33] <Guest78> hey, 1st time user here, can anyone help me with setting up a GUI?
[13:33] <Guest78> i followed an online guide, but it doesn't seem to work
[13:33] <thrice> you mean you installed ubuntu, and you don't see a GUI?
[13:34] <Guest78> This is about a VPS server I rented today btw
[13:34] <Guest78> thrice: the VPS came pre-installed with Ubuntu, as far as I understand it
[13:34] <Guest78> Then I entered some commands in the "shell" (?) but contrary to what the guide I followed promised, the GUI won't start
[13:35] <thrice> you are trying to removely start a graphical session?
[13:35] <Guest78> yes!
[13:35] <thrice> er, why?
[13:35] <Guest58> start the x server
[13:35] <Guest58> to get graphics
[13:35] <Guest78> this is a VPS server I rented. I want to install some software on it, but I need a GUI for that
[13:36] <Guest78> Guest58: sry, I don't know what that is. I know nothing about Linux/Ubuntu. I've been using Windows all my life
[13:37] <ravage> Guest78: you dont need a GUI do install software
[13:37] <Guest78> here are the commands I used in succession: "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade", "sudo apt install slim", "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop" and "sudo reboot"
[13:37] <Guest58> so the component of linux responsible for graphics is a software called "X server", there is also the "window manager" which comes as part of the "desktop environment"
[13:38] <ravage> Guest78: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs
[13:39] <Guest78> what i'm asking I guess is: according to the support hotline employee setting up a GUI on the VPS server is trivial and that there's lots of documentation online. yet it didn't seem to work. does anyone know what I did wrong? I posted the commands I used earlier.
[13:40] <guiverc> Guest78,  you didn't say what Ubuntu product, Ubuntu Core for example is not intended to be used with a GUI...  If you specify what Ubuntu product people may better help you
[13:40] <Guest78> oh, i see
[13:40] <Guest78>     Ubuntu 22.04
[13:41] <guiverc> Ubuntu Server can be turned into a desktop system rather easily; Ubuntu Core is a reduced sized Ubuntu Server product without that capacity (but smaller means lighter, faster to spin up etc)
[13:41] <guiverc> Ubuntu 22.04 can be server or desktop.   You can add desktop to that (though desktop requires more resources, more disk, ram etc.. than the server requires)
[13:42] <Guest78> i definitely need the desktop
[13:44] <guiverc> the easiest way is `sudo apt update` to update software lists (let your machine know what software packages exist, then `sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop` to install the default Ubuntu Desktop system to convert your system to a desktop one.  The default though is not the lightest & has more ram/resource requirements than some lighter desktops
[13:45] <guiverc> Alternatives maybe what Ubuntu calls flavors, but they're found in 'universe' repsitory (not enabled by default for Ubuntu Server/Desktop installs) so you need to enable that repository, then you can add a flavor desktop instead
[13:46] <Guest78> ok it seems i totally broke it now. this is horrible
[13:46] <guiverc> 'universe' is community sourced packages... they have  lower 'security' threshold (Ubuntu Security doesn't check them) thus you why you need to 'enable' it yourself... Ubuntu Pro can get security for universe (optional)
[13:47]  * guiverc thinks most of us learn best by breaking things... esp. in the fixng of them !
[13:51] <Guest78> guiverc: i already tried installing a GUI with the command you posted, but after rebooting it just showed the shell again
[13:51] <Guest78> I also installed "slim" btw, because that's what the guide told me to do
[13:51] <Guest78> right now I'm restarting the server apparently, but it's restarting for 5 minutes already
[13:53] <guiverc> if your machine doesn't have the GPU requirements for GNOME desktop, the GUI won't likely start thus being stuck with a textual/server system is to be expected.. Does your machine meet the minimum requirements for Ubuntu Desktop (GNOME)?  Did you check
[13:53] <guiverc> ?
[13:53]  * guiverc is heading to bed; almost midnight local time....
[13:53] <thrice> you're trying to do this remotely, I don't think it's quite as simple as starting the gui
[13:55] <Guest78> guiverc: well all i can say is that the hotline support person told me it was possible. the machine specs are:     VPS XS
[13:55] <Guest78> CPU:    1 vCore, RAM:    1 GB, Disk:    10 GB SSD
[13:55]  * guiverc thinks thrice made a great point... depends on what console etc. you're using to access; or just simple `ssh` in will get text only by default
[13:56] <ravage> 1GB of RAM is not enough for any desktop
[13:56] <ravage> learn how to use the console
[13:57] <guiverc> 4GB is the recommended minimum for GNOME; 25GB disk space recommended minimum for Ubuntu Desktop of 17.10 or later (it'll install/run in less,  but 'run' maybe better described as 'walk' with less depending on how used).
[13:57] <ravage> even the 10GB disk would be almost full after any installation of a desktop. gnome wont even fit
[13:57] <Guest78> well, apparently the hotline person lied to me then
[13:57] <Guest78> that's a bummer
[13:58] <thrice> what apps do you need?
[13:58] <ravage> in general check out virtualbox if your desktop is on windows
[13:58] <ravage> install Ubuntu on there. learn how to use it. then put a server on the internet
[13:58] <guiverc> read the minimum suggested requiremetns on the Ubuntu site (wiki/etc), sorry I closed my browsers already so can't provide links
[13:59]  * guiverc likes that idea ravage ; Guest78 ^
[13:59] <Guest78> guiverc: seems your're right. ubuntu GUI won't run on my machine
[14:00] <Guest78> ravage: i'll check it out, thanks
[14:02] <guiverc> Guest78, I mentiond there are lighter desktops... GNOME is about the heaviest... (ie. most full-featured.. great if using touch etc... features you'll never use/need)
[14:02] <ravage> it would also be helpful to know what you really want to do with that VPS
[14:03] <Guest78> guiverc: can you point me to one?
[14:03] <ravage> the desktop installation will not solve the fact that for a server you will always need console commands
[14:04] <guiverc> if using GTK3/4 apps you'll find Xfce or Xubuntu the lightest flavor, if using Qt5 apps then Lubuntu and LXQt is lighter still...but lighter WM options exist than those too (lighter means fewer features... LXDE is light & a full desktop but with almost no GTK2 apps anymore the lightness is mostly pointless there)
[14:04] <Guest78> okie
[14:05] <guiverc> text terminal is far lighter than any GUI !   why it was king in the 60s, 70s, even early 80s... (when resources were really small!)
[14:06] <ravage> even windows comes without windows thsese days if you like. console is still great.
[14:06] <ravage> *these
[14:11] <jhutchins> A GUI on a publicly exposed server is a significant security risk.
[14:16] <Guest78> jhutchins: that may be, but without GUI this server is worthless to me
[14:17] <Guest78> i've decided to cancel my order anyway, this is never going to work
[14:17] <Guest78> thx everyone for the help
[14:35] <imi> hi, somehow my motd contains the autogenerated motd twice
[15:18] <user_> google
[15:18] <user_> google chrome
[15:35] <ccha> hello, is there an option for apt when install package to not enable a service default?
[16:56] <Guest78> is someone here knowledgeable about debian?
[17:00] <patocan> Guest78, maybe in #debian
[17:01] <Guest78> i tried, it's empty. doesn't matter... i'm uninstalling debian and installing ubuntu now
[17:01] <patocan> in irc.oftc.net
[17:01] <patocan> Guest78, Debian has its channels mainly in the OFTC network
[17:01] <Guest78> i see, dang, well it's too late now
[17:01] <Guest78> but ty
[17:01] <patocan> XD
[17:01] <patocan> ok
[17:08] <Guest78> patocan: can i ask u a q?
[17:09] <patocan> haven't you just?
[17:09] <patocan> :)
[17:10] <Guest78> im trying to paste text into a console, but neither strg+v nor strg+ctrl+v work. any idead what else i could try? im running ubuntu 22.04 on a vps server through a web console btw
[17:15] <jeremy31> ctrl+shift + v
[17:16] <jeremy31> Try right clicking in terminal and see if you get a paste option
[17:17] <patocan> Guest78, what jeremy31's just said. I always use Ctrl+Shift+v to paste to the terminal, although you can do it as well from the context menu (right click)
[17:18] <Guest78> neither option works
[17:18] <patocan> Additionally, you can check the keyboard shortcuts for "copy" and "paste" in the Edit menu from the menu bar of the console
[17:18] <patocan> Then try directly Edit -> paste
[17:19] <jeremy31> Guest78: see if anything works at https://askubuntu.com/questions/944685/pasting-external-text-into-xterm-or-uxterm
[17:19] <Guest78> i dont have any of this. this is some sort of webclient i'm using
[17:20] <Guest78> well okie, its not that important anyway
[17:22] <Guest78> my main issue is, i'm trying to install a piece of software through the ubuntu console for 3 hours now and nothing works. this is my first time using linux so im maximally confused
[17:27] <patocan> you are trying to install software on your Ubuntu system via "some sort of webclient"? Guest78
[17:28] <patocan> are you managing the system remotely by means of SSH o something similar?
[17:30] <Guest78> i dont even know what that means tbhon
[17:31] <Guest78> i rented a VPS server for 1€/month to play around with but now I can't even get the software to run i bought it for
[17:34] <patocan> I think you should check the documentation/help center of your VPS provider then.
[17:35] <Guest78> i doubt they offer help for every kind of ubuntu-question
[17:38] <oerheks> Guest78, we don' t support 'bought software', ask your vendor?
[17:39] <Guest78> what are you talking about, there is no bought software
[17:40] <oerheks> " I can't even get the software to run i bought it for"
[17:40] <Guest78> the software is free, i rented the vps
[17:40] <oerheks> we have no clue what that means
[17:40] <Guest78> and i can't ask the vps people for detailed help with installing software
[17:41] <Guest78> the server is working, their responsibility ends there
[17:42] <gordonjcp> Guest78: well, unless you actually describe the problem you're having, no-one here can help you
[17:43] <Guest78> ok, so i'm trying to install a piece of windows software through wine, but i get the error: "make sure that your x server is running and that $display is set correctly"
[17:43] <Guest78> i already googled how to fix this, but their suggestions do not work for me
[17:43] <oerheks> !wine
[17:43] <oerheks> join #winehq for wine help?
[17:44] <Guest78> ok i had no idea that existed
[17:44] <gordonjcp> Guest78: this is unlikely to work, at all
[17:44] <oerheks> :-)
[17:44] <Guest78> gordon: what do u mean?
[17:44] <Guest78> why not?
[17:44] <gordonjcp> unless you are particularly expert, running GUI stuff over a network is not going to work
[17:44] <Guest78> dang
[17:44] <Guest78> well im not
[17:45] <Guest78> ugh im gonna ask winehq anyhow, thanks for input
[17:45] <gordonjcp> in particular, installing Windows software in Wine on a remote server is something I wouldn't really attempt, and I've been doing this sort of stuf for a while now
[17:45] <gordonjcp> Guest78: what are you trying to install, and why?
[17:45] <Guest78> ok
[17:45] <Guest78> guest78: metatrader 4
[17:46] <gordonjcp> (I actually run a bunch of Windows stuff in VMs on a Linux server remotely, but this is Very Difficult To Get Working)
[17:46] <oerheks> https://www.metatrader4.com/en/trading-platform/help/userguide/install_linux ...???
[17:46] <Guest78> yeah this isn't looking good then
[17:46] <Guest78> oerheks: already read and tried this 10 times. doesn't work. error as described above
[17:46] <oerheks> top search google and bing..
[17:47] <oerheks> maybe #wineHQ knows a fix
[17:47] <thrice> (the issue isn't wine, they don't even have X working)
[17:48] <gordonjcp> Guest78: yeah, that's going to be extremely hard to get working
[17:48] <gordonjcp> Guest78: why are you running it on a remote server?
[17:48] <gordonjcp> Guest78: do you know what an X-Y Problem is?
[17:48] <gordonjcp> https://xyproblem.info/
[17:48] <Guest78> i want to put a neural network trading bot on there. it's supposed to run 24/7 so i don't want it on my local machine
[17:48] <Guest78> gordon: no i don't
[17:50] <oerheks> metatrader 4 ;Minimum requirements 8gb	Recommended requirements 16 GB ..
[17:50] <oerheks> oink
[17:50] <Guest78> yeah dont believe this, it runs on far less
[17:51] <Guest78> its a chart issue
[17:52] <Guest78> anyway f*ck this, im just going to buy a second pc
[17:53] <maestronolte> Good choice.
[17:57] <patocan> gordonjcp, what really amazes me of that link you provided, is that someone actually spent money of buying a domain for that XD
[17:58] <PvtJoker> hi. Ubuntu 23.04, installed about a week ago. Ethernet question: does Ubuntu enable QoS on ethernet by default?
[17:59] <gordonjcp> patocan: I have a bunch of domains I bought and have so far done very little with
[17:59] <gordonjcp> PvtJoker: shouldn't do...
[17:59] <PvtJoker> I am not getting the speed I would expect. enp68s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
[17:59] <gordonjcp> PvtJoker: how are you testing that
[18:00] <PvtJoker> what I'm seeing is via SFTP. I get about 5mB/s per download. I open 10 downloads and each maxes at 5mB/s
[18:01] <oerheks> PvtJoker, maybe that is controlled serverside?
[18:01] <PvtJoker> I was curious because I installed bmon, saw qdisc in the network graph and not sure what that is really
[18:01] <PvtJoker> oerheks could very well be
[18:02] <PvtJoker> I see qdisc, class 1 through 10 in bmon. It appears to be more than a simple Ethernet configuration that I was expecting.
[18:04] <PvtJoker> search says qdisc is a scheduler. is that similar to QoS is what I am wondering?
[18:05] <gordonjcp> PvtJoker: it's more likely that the server is throttling your connections to a particular speed
[18:05] <gordonjcp> PvtJoker: also sftp can be quite slow
[18:05] <PvtJoker> ah that makes sense. thanks!
[18:06] <gordonjcp> patocan: I bought onlyfandans.com ages ago, although it's probably only funny in Scotland
[18:06] <PvtJoker> sftp uses more CPU I am guessing?
[18:06] <gordonjcp> not so much, but if it's not set up just right there's a lot more back-and-forth traffic
[18:07] <ravage> PvtJoker: use iperf3 to test
[18:43] <bitbinge> I have a systemd unit that limits the speed of the cpu, now I want to remove the fan from the machine and use this unit to scale the cpu down even further to a safe temp.
[18:43] <bitbinge> Currently the unit has both After=multi-user.target and WantedBy=multi-user.target. Should I remove either of these? (from reading the man I get an impression that this shouldn't even work in the first place..)
[18:43] <bitbinge> The other thing I want to know is how much delay after the power button is hit does using either of these directives incur? This is a bloated GNOME workstation. Is using a After=basic.target a better idea if I want to make this run as soon as possible to prevent cpu overheating if boot issues occur?
[18:43] <bitbinge> I assume after basic.target is the earliest sensible moment.
[18:49] <oerheks> most likely WantedBy=multi-user.target ... https://serverfault.com/questions/683911/use-of-cpuquota-in-systemd
[18:49] <oerheks> but if that goes wrong, do not blame systemd nor ubuntu
[18:59] <bitbinge> oerheks, you mean that's the earliest sensible? I assume multi-user runs all of its wanteds (simultaneously) as soon as basic.target finishes.
[19:02] <bitbinge> I'll get rid of the After=.
[20:46] <topcat001> are you planning to use this as a desktop with the cpu locked down to its lowest frequency?
[20:47] <topcat001> also, which cpu?


 So I have compiled our re-qualification into a Wiki, https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/docs/-/wikis/LTS-Re-Qualification-Support-Notice
 Our only hold up at this point is a proper packageset we intend to support.
 I know you already know this Scarlett, but for reference, Rik is finding the update-seed script, which takes the list of all KDE packages and puts them in supported, to my recollection. Steve Langasek on the TB side of things is working on scripts to help us and other flavors properly evaluate what is in our packageset so we can make an informed decision.
 Right :) I know that. One thing I am not seeing on any of these lists is KDE's oddball applications that don't release with any of the release-services.
 Anyway, waiting for Steve's super awesome script that is going to tell all! I just wanted to gather all the data in one spot to Re-send to the technical board once complete.
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a55616ff/update_seed
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/e1f8435a/welcometogit.md
 I will pass along a clarifying question he asked:
 Editting site with git. Had an existing runbook that I refined, haven't started on static site documentation yet. Do you want me to document everything from setting up the repo on git >> working with the site and deploying? Or just explain concepts and show examples of how you can work with the site via gitlab
 What would be the most ideal documentation for us? :)
 Sorry if this is a dumb question. What do we have on gitlab?
 KDE Invent *is* a GitLab instance :)
 Well yeah and salsa, but lo
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 Yeah that too :D
 Anyway, I was wondering if we would consider hosting the website repository on KDE Invent, then having a mirror on GitHub? I am far from particular, just trying to connect our documentation needs with the documentation people :D
 Just make sure to point that out I guess or we will have people confused if trying to contribute to Kubuntu?
 No worries, I will do that :) (re @sgmoore: Just make sure to point that out I guess or we will have people confused if trying to contribute to Kubuntu?)
 That's up to @Rick_Timmis as he is doing most of the work there?
 Sounds good, I'll wait until @Rick_Timmis can circle back :)