[01:52] <Fudge> willcooke:  do you ahve to do all of them?
[01:52] <Fudge> I just did the amd64 twice using a screen reader manual partitioning
[04:56] <Fudge> well done everyone for getting the beta out the door
[05:00] <cyphermox> willcooke: I merged your slideshow fixes and uploaded.
[07:43] <willcooke> thx cyphermox
[07:43] <flocculant> willcooke: no holiday day today for you :)
[07:44] <flocculant> or hiding the eggs
[07:44] <willcooke> flocculant, just checking in before logging out :)
[07:44] <sarnold> "do your hobbies"? :)
[07:44] <flocculant> :)
[07:45] <sarnold> odd that out of the thousands of people I see on irc all the time only -one- /quit message sticks with me..
[07:46] <willcooke> heheh :)
[07:54] <willcooke> flocculant, Do you see desktop beta 2 images on cdimages?  I only see server
[07:55] <flocculant> willcooke: for ubuntu yep confirm that
[07:55] <flocculant> of course xubuntu is perfect :p
[07:56] <flocculant> willcooke: I bet you wish you'd logged out quicker now :)
[07:56] <willcooke> natch
[07:56] <willcooke> ha, yes
[07:57] <sarnold> desktop beta2 here http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[07:57] <willcooke> and no 404's on the little pictures either
[07:57] <willcooke> hrmmmm
[07:58] <willcooke> maybe just hasn't sync'd yet
[07:59] <flocculant> willcooke: your release note points to releases.u.c - so I would assume people will try that
[07:59] <flocculant> oh - then I see cdimage underneath
[07:59] <willcooke> good call.  I'll poke IS and then give up for the weekend I think
[07:59] <willcooke> ahh
[08:01] <flocculant> willcooke: have a great weekend :)
[08:01] <willcooke> thanks flocculant, you too
[08:01] <willcooke> thanks for all your help
[08:02] <flocculant> full of cold - will have to try hard - but I'll get there :)
[08:02] <flocculant> welcome ofc
[08:02] <didrocks> good give up willcooke ! :)
[08:02] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[08:02] <didrocks> hey ;)
[08:02] <flocculant> hi didrocks
[08:02] <willcooke> didrocks, are you working today?
[08:03] <willcooke> (loaded question)
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning flocculant :)
[08:04] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah :p
[08:04] <didrocks> willcooke: only Monday is off in France
[08:04] <willcooke> ahh
[08:04] <willcooke> in which case....
[08:04] <willcooke> ;)
[08:04] <willcooke> I expect you already know who to poke or what the situation is
[08:04] <willcooke> but
[08:04] <willcooke> cdimages seems out of sync with releases
[08:05] <willcooke> and has broken (404) icons
[08:05] <willcooke> the desktop images dont appear on cdimages
[08:05] <willcooke> is that an IS thing?
[08:05] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, it's an IS thing
[08:06] <didrocks> it's co-maintained by Colin watson
[08:06] <willcooke> he'll be off toda
[08:06] <willcooke> y
[08:06] <willcooke> (I hope)
[08:06] <willcooke> I'll drop in to the IS channel and do a hit and run
[08:06] <didrocks> (I hope as well)
[08:06] <didrocks> yeah
[08:07] <didrocks> sounds like the best thing
[08:07] <didrocks> I'm sure as well QA like jibel have tests failing due to that and will harass them :)
[08:07] <jibel> didrocks, salut
[08:07] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[08:07] <jibel> what's up
[08:08] <jibel> ?
[08:09] <willcooke> morning jibel
[08:09] <jibel> hey willcooke, are you working today?
[08:09] <didrocks> 09:04:56    willcooke | cdimages seems out of sync with releases
[08:09] <didrocks> 09:05:05    willcooke | and has broken (404) icons
[08:09] <willcooke> cdimages.u.c only lists server images
[08:09] <didrocks> 09:05:14    willcooke | the desktop images dont appear on cdimages
[08:10] <willcooke> jibel, @ working - not supposed to me, but ya' know.
[08:15] <jibel> willcooke, I don't think we ever published desktop images to cdimage for milestones, only to releases.u.c
[08:15] <willcooke> ahh, that'll explain it
[08:16] <didrocks> hum, didn't we? I think we did for beta2?
[08:16] <didrocks> (at least, the server does)
[08:16] <jibel> willcooke, hm, anyhow some archs are missing for server
[08:19] <jibel> didrocks, release notes of beta2 for trusty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes?action=recall&rev=64
[08:19] <jibel> it points to releases.u.c
[08:19] <jibel> for desktop
[08:19] <didrocks> yeah, sounds like it, weird that we have different process for servers, clouds and desktop
[08:20] <didrocks> anyway, as long as the release note is up to date, I think we don't really care where the image is hosted
[08:20] <willcooke> this is linked from the release notes for example:
[08:20] <willcooke> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[08:22] <didrocks> it's still a wiki page or published?
[08:22] <didrocks> we can maybe change the links
[08:23] <jibel> willcooke, the links are wrong for the flavours
[08:23] <flocculant> didrocks: it's editable it seems
[08:23] <jibel> no one checked the links apparently
[08:23] <jibel> willcooke, on it
[08:24] <willcooke> thank you jibel
[08:24] <willcooke> I would help but it'll probably just end up with wiki clashes
[08:26] <willcooke> jibel, would it help if I paste links here for you to copy?
[08:26] <willcooke> e.g.
[08:26] <jibel> done
[08:26] <willcooke> ha
[08:26] <willcooke> thanks
[08:27] <willcooke> jibel, it was a late one for you yesterday too, are you swapping some hours?
[08:27] <willcooke> (i.e. you should ;) )
[08:28] <jibel> willcooke, don't you want drop i386 from the list of supported archs? who runs ubuntu on 32bit only machine today?
[08:28] <willcooke> we talked about it a bit, decided not to yet
[08:28] <jibel> willcooke, I think xnox started a discussion a while back but it never came to a conclusion
[08:28] <didrocks> jibel: seb128
[08:28] <didrocks> on the "who runs…" :)
[08:29] <jibel> willcooke, there is too much text for libreoffice compared to the rest of the changes for desktop
[08:29] <jibel> it's like it's a libreoffice only release
[08:29] <jibel> didrocks, pff
[08:30] <jibel> he should reinstall his machine :)
[08:30] <didrocks> yeah, it's been ages he has an amd64 one
[08:30] <didrocks> lazy french! :-)
[08:30] <willcooke> jibel, @ LO - yeah, you're right
[08:31] <jibel> do not attempt to update should a big bold red warning
[08:31] <jibel> upgrade*
[08:31] <flocculant> jibel: I did that on the xubuntu one
[08:32] <jibel> flocculant, it's wise. Users expect some level of stability from a beta and if they don't know how to recover it's a major issue
[08:33] <jibel> links to release notes for flavors are wrong to, fixnig
[08:33] <willcooke> jibel, I'm editing, one sec
[08:33] <jibel> willcooke, while you're at it can you remove edubuntu, they won't release anything
[08:34] <willcooke> jibel, ack
[08:36] <willcooke> done
[08:37] <jibel> fixing the links to the release notes for flavors
[08:38] <flocculant> willcooke should have {{{#!wiki warning'd the upgrade warning - you get big AND red :p
[08:39] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2/Xubuntu
[08:39] <willcooke> oh neat!
[08:39] <willcooke> I'll do that
[08:39] <willcooke> jibel, let me know once you're done editing
[08:44] <jibel> willcooke, done. I cannot find an release notes for mythbuntu and ubuntu studio
[08:44] <willcooke> jibel, I'll ping superm1 about mythbuntu
[08:46] <flocculant> willcooke: while you're doing the big red thing - the studio notes are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Beta2/UbuntuStudio
[08:46] <jibel> flocculant, thanks
[08:46] <willcooke> thx
[08:47] <flocculant> oic what they did
[08:48] <flocculant> I'll talk to them about either using the same pattern as everyone else or being around on release time :)
[08:49] <jibel> being around on release time is a good idea :)
[08:49] <flocculant> yea for sure :p
[08:50] <willcooke> done
[08:50] <flocculant> they had put their note location on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Beta2 btw :)
[08:50] <flocculant> willcooke: you like that do you :p
[08:50] <willcooke> moar red
[08:50] <jibel> I just read this page and didn't see it lol
[08:51] <flocculant> willcooke: I'll pm you my address for you to send me the choccy egg :D
[08:51] <willcooke> flocculant, deal
[08:51] <flocculant> ha ha
[08:51] <willcooke> flocculant, although doesn't a beagle in a rabbit costume deliver them?
[08:51] <flocculant> daughter would get to be it first ...
[08:51] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[08:52] <willcooke> So we ordered some "empty plastic eggs" from Asda in our grocery delivery so we could fill them up with things for the kids
[08:52] <willcooke> they were substituted
[08:52] <flocculant> ...
[08:52] <willcooke> for 5 Smarties easter eggs and a pack of paper cups
[08:52] <willcooke> ?!?!
[08:52] <flocculant> oh my
[08:53] <sarnold> tel me more about the beagle :)
[08:54] <willcooke> :D
[08:56] <flocculant> willcooke: would you like to release the xubuntu release notes lock - need to change a bit :)
[08:56]  * willcooke checks his open tabs
[08:56] <flocculant> oh it's gone anyway
[08:56] <willcooke> I think I might have just closed it as you asked
[08:58] <flocculant> :)
[09:07]  * jibel back to trying to release a phone now :)
[09:21] <didrocks> jibel: sounds an easy Friday task! :) Good luck!
[09:23] <jibel> didrocks, it is, especially given that almost everyone is away, lot of fun
[09:24] <didrocks> yeah, I can only imagine… :/
[09:24] <willcooke> alright, that's a wrap from me for today
[09:24] <willcooke> telegram or email if you want anything
[09:24] <didrocks> willcooke: enjoy your long week-end man!
[09:24] <willcooke> thanks for all the help jibel
[09:24] <willcooke> and flocculant ^
[09:24] <willcooke> l8r didrocks
[09:24] <flocculant> willcooke: have a good one :)
[10:57] <Laney> teehee
[10:58] <didrocks> good morning Laney :)
[10:58] <Laney> didrocks: !!!
[11:00] <Laney> what are you doing here?
[11:00] <didrocks> working? :)
[11:00] <didrocks> not every country is like Germany or UK :p
[11:01] <Laney> unlucky
[11:01] <didrocks> especially this year, seeing how many days off are on the week-end :)
[11:01] <didrocks> but well, the week felt shorter, was in Paris on Wed. and Thu.
[11:02] <Laney> "nice"
[11:02] <Laney> did you do a talk?
[11:07] <didrocks> yeah, at ubuntu-fr meetup
[11:07] <didrocks> https://twitter.com/thibautR/status/712733906131427328
[11:07] <didrocks> https://twitter.com/thibautR/status/712741466448257024
[11:08] <Laney> VLC!
[11:09] <didrocks> yep, even if systemd gives me hell with this…
[11:09]  * Laney remembers
[11:09] <didrocks> (still didn't work the issue out)
[11:09] <Laney> let's see how fast I can package gstreamer 1.8
[11:10] <Laney> start the clock at 11:10
[11:10] <didrocks> hum, are you really working? :)
[11:10] <Laney> off next week :(
[11:10] <Laney> and seb is too
[11:10] <didrocks> ah, that's why
[11:10] <didrocks> good luck man :)
[11:10] <Laney> got some nice ubuntu branches in git
[11:10] <Laney> so it is pretty easy
[11:10] <didrocks> sweet!
[11:11] <Laney> git rerere
[11:11] <Laney> oh MAN that is nice
[11:13] <Laney> "git update-ref pristine-tar origin/pristine-tar"
[11:13] <Laney> updates that branch without having to check it out
[11:13] <Laney> Good Friday Learning With Laney
[11:13] <didrocks> yeah, this command is useful in that case :)
[11:16] <Laney> ah you need refs/heads on the local branch name
[12:31] <Laney> DONE
[12:31] <Laney> & appstream-dep11 updated
[12:31] <Laney> I need to get all X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain packages
[12:32]  * Laney wonders how to get that
[12:32] <Laney> langpack build logs?
[12:58] <Laney> got it
[13:19] <Laney> bye didrocks
[13:19] <Laney> happy long weekend!
[13:37] <didrocks> thanks, you too Laney :)
[13:59] <dobey> hmm, i can't seem to log into any IM accounts in 16.04, for empathy
[17:32] <dobey> anyone around that knows much about telepathy/empathy?
[18:04] <Trevinho> desrt: hey, how do I send a variant using gdbus call?
[18:08] <desrt> "v" format
[18:37] <Trevinho> desrt: I mean, with the command-line utility.. what's the format? Like ... .MethodName <variant_value> (which is actually is a bool in my case)
[18:38] <dobey> Trevinho: can't you just type true/false there then?
[18:38] <Trevinho> dobey: nope..
[18:39] <Trevinho> dobey: I've to pass multiple values, which one is variant
[18:40] <desrt> Trevinho: pointy brackets, ya
[18:41] <Trevinho> desrt: I tried with  org.ofono.Modem.SetProperty Powered "<'True'>", but... it doesn't work (According to introspection data, you need to pass 'sv')
[18:43] <desrt> that is the right type... but why quotes on True?
[18:43] <desrt> just write <true>
[18:44] <Trevinho> ah, ok :-D
[18:44] <Trevinho> So i was using the right one since beginning, but for some reason I put those quotes


[00:00] <knome> bbiab
[00:00] <bluesabre> I'll see what I can do... there's enough patches thrown around that the actual issue might be nearby
[00:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: I've kind of narrowed down the thunar things to 2 bugs (both with xfce bugs) rest seem to be 2 or 3 people crashes once ish
[00:01] <flocculant> on the notes now
[00:01] <flocculant> *that* patch which appears to not work :(
[00:01] <bluesabre> knome: if you let me know what screenshots you want, I'm probably going to start working on my own 16.04 blog post soon (which is always stuffed with screenshots)
[00:01] <flocculant> SRU for thunar again
[00:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: 1 last thing - please check changelogs for things which seem to come from you - menulibre for instance
[00:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: will do
[00:03] <flocculant> though wiki - so we can muck about whenever on the day or after
[00:03] <bluesabre> :)
[00:03] <bluesabre> escaping from the computer now, I'll be around throughout the weekend
[00:03] <flocculant> I doubt many people actually look at them
[00:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey - goodnight :)
[00:04] <bluesabre> -->
[00:05] <knome> bluesabre, the usual
[00:05] <knome> we also need new screenshots for the website btw
[00:06] <knome> last update with those were 14.04 :P
[00:06] <flocculant> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/aticlerunin
[00:06] <flocculant> put stuff there
[00:06] <flocculant> we can work around things I', sure
[00:07] <flocculant> the wallpaper one is a bit 'special' I guess :)
[00:07] <knome> aticle?
[00:08] <knome> now if the pad only let me log in
[00:10] <flocculant> \o/
[00:10] <flocculant> we need an xubuntu pad :p
[00:11] <flocculant> knome: check pad chat - easier :)
[00:12] <knome> sigh release weeks ;)
[00:12] <flocculant> ;)
[00:12] <flocculant> all that counts now :D
[00:18] <Unit193> Backlog, again. :(
[00:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: Meant the current patch at least, but ok that's even better.
[00:18] <knome> Unit193, and yet, still no more wittgenstein quotes
[00:19] <flocculant> I had one
[00:19] <flocculant> then I lost it in the dictionary
[00:19] <knome> anyway
[00:19] <knome> time to go to bed
[00:20] <knome> will be back tomorrow
[00:20] <knome> unfortunately, some of you might think
[00:20] <knome> so for those of you:
[00:20] <knome> HAA HAA
[00:20] <knome> nighty!
[00:20] <flocculant> night knome :)
[13:03] <knome> one more thing we could do starting with this cycle is a release-specific "marketing bundle"
[13:03] <knome> that would include screenshots of the release, the wallpaper for the release, community wallpaper winners (if appropriate), also xubuntu logos (to get the new ones circulating more), the release announcement
[13:07] <knome> :| @ pad.ubuntu.com
[15:04] <pavlushka> Hello every one!
[15:06] <pavlushka> sorry problem fixed for now with only saying hello!, lol
[16:25] <slickymaster> knome, comments added to http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud (in case re. Google Play Music)
[16:30] <knome> danke schön
[16:30] <knome> wonder if ubuntu one would let me sign in to the website too
[16:31] <slickymaster> just try it ;)
[16:31] <knome> i'm trying
[16:31] <knome> it's just hanging
[18:13] <bluesabre> knome, comments added to http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud (in case re. Pandora)
[18:14] <bluesabre> slickymaster: stole your words :D
[18:14] <slickymaster> :P
[18:14] <slickymaster> sure bluesabre
[19:59] <knome> bluesabre, cheerio
[19:59] <knome> bluesabre, when do you plan doing the wallpaper upload?
[20:01] <knome> is anybody in the team able to log in to xubuntu.org admin, or is it just me
[20:01] <knome> ..that isn't able, that is
[20:02] <knome> same story with contest site for me
[20:02] <knome> ubuntu one has been wonky today
[21:09] <Unit193> The seed hit 1000 commits.
[21:14] <flocculant> knome: if we don't hear from the Mike guy - what we calling those images?
[21:22] <bluesabre> knome: so, 4 positive, 10 neutrals?
[21:25] <knome> flocculant, untitled
[21:25] <knome> bluesabre, yyep.
[21:28] <bluesabre> knome: alrighty, will get that together tonight
[21:29] <knome> bluesabre, if you can log in to anything
[21:29] <knome> >__<
[21:29] <knome> i'm barely able to log in to pad, but have had no luck logging in to the contest site or the main site today
[21:30] <krytarik> bluesabre: From the earlier mail: "...we now have 4 winners with positive totals and 6 more with neutral totals."
  Setting up locales again.


[13:08] <therekku> Hello could someone here help me with Configuring / installing my Ubuntu ( Just need help with Software installation etc. ) Please?
[13:09] <niko> therekku: #ubuntu is the support channel
[13:10] <therekku> Thanks


[14:53] <hallyn> hey all - since ubuntu ships util-linux's su, i assume noone here would have any problems with shadow removing its version of su?
[16:06] <mdeslaur> hallyn: we'll do whatever debian does
[16:24] <hallyn> i'm just wondering whether ther'es some other use of shadow:/bin/su that i'm overlooking.  i don't see how though.


[02:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[18:01]  * leftyfb sigh
[18:01] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: they're trying to do CICD in a docker image and don't know how to use apt, read man pages or understand when the internet isn't working or how to troubleshoot :/
[18:02]  * daftykins chuckles
[18:02] <arraybolt3> Well, I'm trying to do intensive KDE development and don't hardly know how to use the KDE build tools, operating system, and I don't know C++ very well, yet things are going OK over here. :P


[02:39] <zartoosh> hi how could I preseed /etc/fstab mount point attributes? For example I like to add trim, noatime to the mount point? thx


[11:33]  * smartboyhw is unhappy that he will be filing dozens of FFes....
[11:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, I thought Rick Spencer gave up getting 13.04 rolling
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Part of the straw man proposal was to convert 13.04 into a Rolling
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Release in order to allow us to go faster on the converged OS starting
[11:41] <smartboyhw> immediately. Given the work that is left to achieve a proper proposal
[11:41] <smartboyhw> for the tech board, I don't foresee such a proposal being completed in
[11:41] <smartboyhw> time to make such a radical change to 13.04.
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Cheers, Rick
[11:41] <smartboyhw> ................................
[11:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm not making any assumptions about that.
[11:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, eh?
[11:46] <zequence> smartboyhw: What do mean, filing FFes?
[11:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, anyway it turns out i only need one FFes:P
[13:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW: now that you've managed to get everything working on wiki, I think for 13.10 we should start working on offline docs
[13:42] <smartboyhw> And hey scott-work
[13:43] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw , everyone
[13:43] <scott-work> i like off-line docs
[13:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :)
[13:44] <scott-work> i have been thinking about that for a while now, not all docs mind you, just some important ones perhaps
[13:44] <scott-work> but we'd need a new package, which isn't a big deal
[13:44] <scott-work> but we could also include release notes in that package if we so chose
[13:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK:)
[13:45] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence sent otu a call for artworks:)
[13:45] <smartboyhw> And here's our current status: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-flavor-ubuntustudio.html
[13:46] <scott-work> hmmm, we are not bad off actually. much better than i expected
[13:46] <smartboyhw> scott-work, because we marked most of them as BLOCKED:P
[13:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:47] <scott-work> oh, LOL
[13:47] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :P
[13:47] <scott-work> and a lot as postponed as well, i see
[13:48] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yes
[13:48] <smartboyhw> s/BLOCKED/POSTPONED/ actually
[13:48] <kubotu> smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[13:48] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:05] <zequence> scott-work: What do you think of my attempt at some sort of unified theme for Ubuntu Studio? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/CarbonTheme
[14:05] <zequence> The background is too dark. I'm going to fix that
[14:06] <zequence> Learning as I do. Using inkscape a bit more now
[14:06] <smartboyhw> zequence, makes me think of the movie Troy....
[14:06] <zequence> Not a bad thing, I suppose
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Probably at the same time change the plymouth theme too (possible?)
[14:06]  * smartboyhw wonders how could zequence actually being able to do SO many things.
[14:07] <zequence> The plymoth theme is really nice. I wouldn't want to change anything but the wallpaper until we're really sure about it
[14:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:07] <zequence> while I'm doing this, I want to lay out a structure for how we work with artwor
[14:07] <zequence> artwork*
[14:08] <zequence> for each release, we'll see if we can do something new. and at least for LTS, we do a new makeover of everything
[14:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, nice one
[14:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, but will we have 13.10 ?
[14:08] <zequence> Doesn't need to be a total rework. Just a fresh-up
[14:08] <smartboyhw> 13.04 is now basically un-deleted (even Rick Spencer says that)
[14:09] <zequence> I'm wondering why there hasn't been a feature freeze announcement though, so I guess they are still talking.
[14:10] <zequence> If there's no 13.10, we'll make custom releases now and then
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW I think ~ubuntustudio-release still hasn't been added in ISO QA Tracker. And also, I saw the annoucement:P
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, that's the plan
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, you did subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list do you?
[14:11] <zequence> hmm, perhaps I'm not
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-March/001021.html
[14:12] <zequence> Usually there's an announcement on ubuntu-release
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Hmm it didn't this time
[14:13] <zequence> The problem with my dark background has a lot to do with me doing those in the evening
[14:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh
[14:14] <zequence> Graphic artists would be aware of those things from experience
[14:14] <zequence> The contrast is too low. There should be more light with the dark
[14:14] <smartboyhw> scott-work, will Dick Macinnis still do artwork for us?
[14:18] <scott-work> smartboyhw: he might. i haven't contacted him though. he seems pretty busy with dream studio, talking about rewriting stuff like sound-applet for control jack, etc
[14:19] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yep
[14:19] <scott-work> zequence: i really like the second image
[14:20] <zequence> scott-work: The second is more of a cover for social sites, etc. And more of an example at that too.
[14:20] <zequence> scott-work: You'll need to look close to see the details, since it's really too dark
[14:20] <scott-work> zequence: one thing i would suggest for the first image, if it is to be used for a desktop wallpaper, is to make the CoF lighter or faded so that it does draw the eye too much, become too much of a focus, and dominate the desktop
[14:21] <scott-work> but that is just my personal opinions, doesn't make anyone right or wrong
[14:21] <zequence> scott-work: I'm also considering the web theme we have. There's a slight correlation between that and Ubuntu artwork. I'm thinking about looking at using the background of our website to do something too
[14:21] <zequence> scott-work: CoF?
[14:22] <scott-work> Circle of Friends (or in our case, Circle of Sound Waves)
[14:22] <zequence> I don't think the website background patter is good for a desktop wallpaper as is, so it would need to be redone. Just thinking about patterns, and how they could be used
[14:22] <zequence> scott-work: Aha :)
[14:23] <zequence> One could also have the same pattern have different materials, so while the website is glowing like lights, a desktop wallpaper could be carbon, etc
[14:24] <zequence> Also, that would make it easier to keep a distinct Ubuntu Studio look for the future, being able to quite easily refresh it without too much work
[14:26] <zequence> One thing about the pattern in the website background is that the dots are really small
[14:26] <zequence> I'd like them to be bigger
[14:27] <zequence> But, maybe that wouldn't work.. I don't know
[14:27] <zequence> At least I'll have a wallpaper ready this weekend
[14:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, but then do we want to implement it for 13.04 or?
[14:28] <zequence> After 13.04, I'd want us to develop some kind of unified theme
[14:28] <zequence> We need a new wallpaper for 13.04
[14:28] <zequence> Which one isn't imporant to me, as long as it's a nice one
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, well maybe we can ship multiple wallpapers (like Lubuntu) and let them choose....
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, XD Ralf called your wallpaper Sexist (LOL)
[14:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: We usually do ship multiple. Perhaps not for a while now. we just need to get together more than one wallpaper
[15:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[15:44] <scott-work> zequence: that's an interesting concept: keep the base the same but adjust the hue depending on usage location
[15:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, we are having problems into getting newest version of blender in.
[15:44] <scott-work> (or saturation)
[15:44] <smartboyhw> powerpc build is always the one  breaking things
[15:47] <scott-work> my personal preferences for a desktop (and by extension the wallpaper) is not a fancy, blingy thing. it should muted, perhaps dark-ish but not dark, and should not distract or draw attention
[15:47]  * smartboyhw says good night
[15:47] <scott-work> good night smartboyhw
[15:49] <zequence> scott-work: Those are things I agree on too. It should be practical, yet give the feeling of completeness
[15:50] <scott-work> zequence: right!
[15:50] <zequence> Well, not "yet"
[15:51] <scott-work> my vision upon a time was to make a wallpaper that looks "stonish" (i.e. the a fine stone pattern, one piece almost indistinguishable from the other almost to the point of being uniform gray) with the ubuntu studio CoF on the lower right corner looking like a chiseled relief
[15:52] <scott-work> the CoF would look slightly worn as if by time
[15:52] <scott-work> the over all tenor would be one of lasting or sustainable stength, something enduring all weathers
[15:55] <zequence> That would not work together with the idea of a pattern, but it sounds like something that would look really great on a wallpaper, yes
[15:55] <zequence> There are many things that you can draw from just being inspired by anyone of our workflows, but I'm finding it hard to find something that represents them all
[15:56] <zequence> patterns are great in that way, cause they don't need to symbolize anything.
[15:56] <zequence> Well, a stonish pattern would also be a pattern
[15:58] <zequence> You could make a wallpaper that looked like a 2x12 speaker, and it would be dark, and simplistic, but would also mainly represent the audio workflow
[15:58] <zequence> It would even include patterns
[15:59] <zequence> Would make a lot of sense to have many new wallpapers for each release
[15:59] <zequence> Not just for variation, but to showcase graphical art done on Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio
[16:00] <zequence> Actually, why not showcase stuff that people did in all our workflows on our website? One would need to find people who used Ubuntu Studio to do their work.
[16:01] <zequence> Well, not a prio anyway..
[16:24] <scott-work> zequence: i had thought about featuring ubuntu studio artist on the website before, but not focusing on the work flows
[16:24] <scott-work> that _would_ be a great validation though :)
[16:45] <zequence> scott-work: have you seent this? https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio?sk=page_insights
[16:46] <zequence> Really makes you think about the value of PR
[16:48] <scott-work> i'll have to look at it on my phone, just a moment
[16:52] <scott-work> you mean reaching the 2930 people?  yeah, that is pretty crazy
[16:53] <scott-work> in 7 days no less
[20:52]  * micahg sees the crazy has spilled over to the studio dev list...
[22:12] <zequence> scott-work: I think it might be good for us to opt in for the Beta1. We won't loose anything by doing it anyway. Would you care to answer the post "Opt-in beta 1 next week" on ubuntu-release?
[22:12] <scott-work> sure, i can do that
[22:13] <scott-work> done and done
[22:13] <zequence> Thanks
[22:33] <zequence> I should probably contact ubuntuone people again. Been about two months since I bought some music there, and still no delivery
[22:45] <zequence> Wonder why our ISO failed to build over something that all distros have, and seemingly only ours failed?
[22:47] <micahg> zequence: hopefully with the recent uploads it'll work tomorrow, if not, feel free to poke, I'll take a look sat night if no one beats me to it
[22:59] <zequence> micahg: Thanks.
[23:05] <len_1304> zequence, look at the lmms stuff
[23:05] <len_1304> It seems the new one depends on an older lmms-common.
[23:06] <len_1304> lmms : Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.13-0ubuntu1) but 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 is installed
[23:08] <zequence> len_1304: Ok. I only read the bottom.
[23:08] <zequence> That looks more like US specific in deed
[23:09] <len_1304> It is an LMMS bug
[23:10] <len_1304> IDK if it is bad in debian as well or just ubuntu
[23:13] <zequence> len_1304: lmms was just updated to a newer version. I'd blame Ubuntu first
[23:14] <zequence> But, who knows. I should check the source
[23:15] <len_1304> It should be a package problem, not source. It would be in the deb control file.
[23:15] <zequence> The package is source too
[23:15] <len_1304> Either on the debian site or ours
[23:16] <zequence> And was what I was referring to
[23:16] <len_1304> OK
[23:16] <zequence> There's one patch added by Ubuntu AFAIK
[23:21] <zequence> len_1304: hmm, I thought you were talking about the ISO build
[23:22] <zequence> What was the problem you were having with lmms?
[23:22] <len_1304> Wouldn't bad depends effect that?
[23:22] <zequence> It didn't get to that point
[23:22] <zequence> It's in the build log
[23:22] <zequence> Has to do with print stuff that all the flavors have
[23:23] <len_1304> Ok, I am going to bug the lmms thing anyway.
[23:24] <zequence> upgrading did have a problem, yes
[23:31] <len_1304> Bug #1152807
[23:33] <zequence> len_1304: I didn't have that problem myself. It complained over the newer version wanting to overwrite the desktop file
[23:33] <zequence> apt-get install -f fixed it
[23:33] <len_1304> Yes, but depends is still worng
[23:34] <zequence> len_1304: Not here. It looks fine for me
[23:34] <zequence> I'm on amd64 if that makes a difference..
[23:35] <zequence> Version: 0.4.14-0ubuntu2
[23:35] <zequence> Depends: lmms-common (= 0.4.14-0ubuntu2)
[23:35] <len_1304> Shouldn't its not a wine thing. after using -f it installed for me.
[23:36] <len_1304> Maybe it has been fixed in between when it failed and I used -f
[23:36] <zequence> Well, I didn't have the problem with versions
[23:36] <len_1304> Yes it has. your version is ubuntu2, the one that failed was 1
[23:37] <zequence> Ah, right. It must have been uploaded shortly after then
[23:37] <zequence> er, no
[23:37] <zequence> You're talking about 0.4.13
[23:38] <len_1304> 14 was looking for 13 instead of 14.
[23:39] <zequence> Well, as I said, I didn't get any dependency problems
[23:40] <zequence> There was a 0.4.14-0ubuntu1, where 0.4.14-0ubuntu2 only added a patch
[23:42] <zequence> Don't think the former was ever released though
[23:42] <zequence> Was updated before it could
[23:44] <len_1304> They are a day apart, but I don't know.


[16:13] <elacheche> AcidNinjaFWHR: That was grafana.. Nagios core only get checks.. I use Icinga (nagios fork) to get checks