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[13:32] <k1l_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule   there is not even a alpha. so i dont know what that misinformation is all about
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> k1l_: s/he's not here dude
[13:33] <k1l_> i know
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:37] <genii> Had loop this morning of "Reading configuration file from /etc/mail/sendmail.conf ... Validating configuration. ... Creating /etc/mail/databases"  on a do-release-upgrade from Saucy. Had to gain a second terminal and manually kill it, then removed sendmail so it would continue


[07:00] <bittin> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/issues/1068
[07:15] <SiD`> Hi! Why is it taking so long to accept the following: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/2.06-2ubuntu10
[07:23] <tomreyn> SiD`: i think proposed +7 (?) days is normal, isn't it?
[07:24] <tomreyn> you can always use the one from -proposed if you want it earlier
[07:26] <SiD`> tomreyn TBH I have no idea, not much experience :D
[07:26] <SiD`> But, there are 2 packages that aren't instalable on 22.10
[07:27] <SiD`> I already have "deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/ kinetic-proposed main restricted universe multiverse" in my sources.list yet it won't install
[07:29] <SiD`> Here's what I get when I try to install the packages: https://dpaste.org/D6JxJ
[07:46] <tomreyn> SiD`: you mean kinetic, right, there's no 22.10. you're on an in-develpoment release, package resolver conflicts can occur. it could also be your local system, though
[07:47] <tomreyn> see what    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999    retuns. these are packages installed on this system which has no upgrade path.
[07:47] <tomreyn> you can also use apts' Debug:: options to get a better idea of why resolving dependencies fails.
[07:48] <tomreyn> if you're still using aptitude, stop doing so, it uses a different mechanism for holding packages than anything else does.
[10:29] <rbasak> SiD`: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#grub2
[10:30] <rbasak> It's generally wrong for users to be using the development release -proposed pocket. It will make some package uninstallable.
[10:30] <rbasak> *packages
[10:31] <rbasak> For the development release, the proposed pocket is a staging area for developers to sort out the issues.
[10:31] <rbasak> It's not like SRUs and there's no 7 day ageing period. It's used for a completely different purpose.
[16:53] <tomreyn> rbasak: thanks for explaining this, i never knew - but i can see how such a repository is needed.
[17:33] <WoC`> mainline 1.0.15 broken / discontinued ?
[17:38] <WoC`> Latest update: 5.19.2 - Preparing to install '5.19.2' - sh: 1: cd: can't cd to /root/.cache/mainline/5.19.2 - E: Installation completed with errors ;p
[17:40] <WoC`> i have the same issue on 3 different computers...


[01:46] <guiverc> my 18.04 box I usually sleep overnight. recently on wake i get radeon (text) errors on screen briefly (no locker screen); then (quickly) to login screen (prior session gone).  Where can i expect to find the radeon messages (or anywhere useful) so i can track down more useful info?  (for #1772542)
[02:14] <well_laid_lawn> guiverc:  tr looking at the X log and ~/.xsession-errors
[02:19] <guiverc> well_laid_lawn, i didn't find an X*log in /var/log/ (no recent .xsession-errors)
[02:22] <well_laid_lawn> next guess is to try dmesg
[02:27] <guiverc> an obvious one, but i see radeon stuff there - re-looking  thanks
[02:41] <guiverc> this may be it, anyone want to help me interpret (or confirm looks ..) -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NS2rJbTmhb/    is there a routine to convert sys.loctime to real.time  (for me to confirm time matches?)
[02:44] <well_laid_lawn> try   dmesg -e
[02:44] <guiverc> that is it - preparing to sleep messages further up... thanks well_laid_lawn !
[02:44] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[02:45] <guiverc> :) @ -e   thanks again.
[04:24] <xubuntu11i> hola
[11:07] <jost> Hi! I updated to 18.04 recently, but not samba shares are no longer accessible. I accessed them previously by entering "smb://192.168.xxx.yyy" as path in thunar. That opened up an authentication window, and everything was fine
[11:07] <jost> No I get "Failed to retrieve share list from server: invalid argument"
[11:09] <jost> Someone knows what could be the cause or fix?=
[11:18] <pmjdebru1jn> jost: the server didn't change?
[11:18] <pmjdebru1jn> what is the server which version of samba?
[11:18] <pmjdebru1jn> jost: does smbclient work?
[11:19] <pmjdebru1jn> smbclient -L \\192.168.xxx.yyy\MYSHARE (if I recall recorrectly, you may need to look into man smbclient for the details)
[11:19] <jost> pmjdebru1jn: The server didn't change... I don't know the servers version. Smbclient does not work
[11:19] <pmjdebru1jn> jost: my first guess might be a smb version mismatch
[11:19] <jost> pmjdebru1jn: yes, that was the problem, just found it using google
[11:19] <pmjdebru1jn> smb version mismatch?
[11:20] <pmjdebru1jn> so you already fixed it?
[11:20] <jost> Adding "client max protocol = NT1" to smb.conf worked
[11:20] <jost> yes
[11:20] <jost> just got it to work
[11:21] <jost> Thanks :-)
[11:21] <pmjdebru1jn> np :)
[11:21] <pmjdebru1jn> though stick around, maybe someone has additional insight
[11:21] <pmjdebru1jn> btw, does Thunar mount that via GVFS/GIO?
[13:40] <eoli3n> Hi
[13:53] <eoli3n> how to change default Desktop Environment with lightdm ? this is not working -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Changing_the_Default_Session . When i su user in tty, then startxfce4, no problem
[14:24] <james1138> Hello from Indiana. Question. Is it possible for applications menu to auto-sort by name?
[14:25] <james1138> Sorry. I should have said first that I am running 16.04.4 32 bit
[14:31] <pmjdebru1jn> isn't that the default already?
[14:32] <pmjdebru1jn> the favorites are manually sorted
[14:32] <pmjdebru1jn> the other used menus are alphabetically sorted
[14:32] <pmjdebru1jn> in all "all" "internet" etc
[14:32] <pmjdebru1jn> james1138: or do I misunderstand?
[14:35] <james1138> I was not sure. If I installed software that was not in the repository - it sometimes does not.
[14:36] <james1138> Linux Game Database for example
[14:38] <pmjdebru1jn> uhm
[14:39] <pmjdebru1jn> software not in the repository
[14:39] <pmjdebru1jn> ?
[14:39] <pmjdebru1jn> if you install something outside of the repos, theres no teling what happens to your machine
[14:39] <pmjdebru1jn> anyhow, I thought that the linux game database was a website, not an application?
[14:41] <GridCube> no idea
[14:41] <pmjdebru1jn> james1138: ?
[14:42] <james1138> Sorry. I download some games from the website and install. But never mind.
[14:42] <pmjdebru1jn> anyhow, do be careful installing anything from outside of the repos
[14:42] <pmjdebru1jn> there's a lot of crap out there
[14:44] <james1138> Understood
[16:09] <xubuntu68i> Why doesn't xubuntu have a minimal install option?
[17:25] <Eca_flipette> plop
[17:26] <Eca_flipette> Today I went to studying, and the techs' put a 'H.S' note post-it on the dead screen... :'(
[17:27] <Eca_flipette> It's so sad.
[23:48] <FreakingOut1987> I have some pretty important data saved in mousepad editor. It has just become unresponsive. It usually happens once I open about 100+ tabs in one session. No idea what could cause the problem. I'm hesitant to force close any of these mousepads as they all fork from the same original process
[23:48] <FreakingOut1987> What can I do to salvage the data saved in one of the apps?
[23:51]  * drleviathan googles "mousepad editor"...
[23:55] <drleviathan> does mousepad make backup files of its state, I wonder?
[23:56] <FreakingOut1987> Nope, unfortunately it does not :*(
[23:56] <FreakingOut1987> I really should stop using it
[23:57] <drleviathan> nope, it appears not.  yeah, I suppose that goes with the "fast and lightweight" strategy
[23:57] <drleviathan> either stop using it or remember to save you work as you go


[06:37] <sakhi> Morning
[07:56] <Banlam> good morning
[08:00] <Symmetria> hohum
[08:00] <Symmetria> sup
[08:01] <Banlam> nice day in EL?
[08:26] <Banlam> sigh, power failure...
[08:34] <Kerbero> when we have a power failure we just all go home
[08:34] <Kerbero> even though the upses can do 45mins
[08:34] <Kerbero> but the network is not on any backup power
[08:34] <Banlam> yeah
[08:35] <Banlam> but i'm already at home
[08:35] <Banlam> cellhpone and laptop can do several hours
[08:35] <Kerbero> watch series then
[08:35] <Banlam> and I have two laptops here...
[08:35] <Banlam> or I can actually do some work :P
[09:27] <inetpro> good morning
[09:30] <bakuman> morning
[11:35] <maiatoday> hey Kerbero, I managed to sort out the optimus enabled laptop so I can choose which graphics card to use using bumblebee :) It wasn't all that hard, I guess they have updated the code a bit
[12:09] <Kerbero> o cool
[12:09] <Kerbero> glad it worked for you
[12:10] <Kerbero> do you have a hdmi output, and have you tried using that with bumblebee?
[13:42] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[13:43] <Kilos> for those that dont read list mails we have our monthly meeting tonight at 1930
[13:43] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[13:44] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[13:44] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[13:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[13:44] <Kilos> vegadering vanaand ne
[13:44] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos ... yup, saw the mail... I suspect I will be in bed by then
[13:44] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:44] <inetpro> not sure whether I'll make it
[13:45] <Kilos> lol nlsthzn that message was aimed at others not you
[13:45] <inetpro> this monday has been way to rough
[13:45] <Kilos> so you gonna sleep inetpro ?
[13:45] <nlsthzn> :( so I'm not invited
[13:45] <inetpro> Kilos: and it's all corrie206's fault
[13:45] <Kilos> no nlsthzn you are always welcome
[13:46] <Kilos> what did corrie do inetpro ?
[13:46] <nlsthzn> :p
[13:46] <Kilos> or not do
[13:47] <Kilos> you should just tweet him that its time he attended a meet again
[13:47] <inetpro> Kilos: 6:55 AM @corrie206 *pokes Monday with stick*
[13:48] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[13:48] <Banlam> someone still has to explain to me who has ops on this channel, or why no one can change the topic
[13:48] <inetpro> Banlam: drubin can
[13:48] <Kilos> its controlled by superfly methinks Banlam
[13:48] <inetpro> and perhaps even superfly
[13:48] <Kilos> oh only drubin?
[13:48] <inetpro> and others
[13:48] <Banlam> drubin doesn't have ops though
[13:49] <inetpro> Banlam: he can get it whenever he wants
[13:49] <Banlam> and why would neither have htem changed the topic in excess of 8 months
[13:49] <Banlam> inetpro, ok
[13:49] <inetpro> oh and Superhuman IIRC
[13:50] <Kilos> hehe i remember i once messed it up by accident
[13:50] <Kilos> still dunno how
[13:50] <Kilos> trying to copy paste something i think it was
[13:51] <inetpro> Kilos: are you sure it was in this channel?
[13:51] <inetpro> I think cocooncrash also can has ops
[13:51] <Kilos> ya they moaned at me and drubin fixed it
[13:51] <inetpro> and morgs
[13:52] <inetpro> and highvoltage
[13:52] <Kilos> only when we get bad peeps here the ops appear
[13:52] <Banlam> -ChanServ- Founder    : highvoltage
[13:52] <Banlam> :O
[13:52] <morgs> inetpro: you're welcome
[13:53] <Kilos> hehe
[13:53] <Banlam> haha
[13:53] <Kilos> inetpro, that means you will attend tonight hey
[13:53] <Kilos> no excuses accepted
[13:54] <morgs> ChanServ can give ops to people previously set up - i.e. they can ask ChanServ to op them or others
[13:54] <inetpro> what time is the meeting?
[13:54] <Kilos> 1930
[13:54] <Banlam> ah
[13:54] <inetpro> thanks morgs
[13:55] <Banlam> \o/
[13:55] <Kilos> hi MeepZA
[13:55]  * Superhuman hasn't got ops in #ubuntu-za
[13:55] <MeepZA> hi kilos
[13:55] <MeepZA> I'm probably just going to idle until the meeting this evening
[13:55] <Kilos> lo Superhuman you still going strong?
[13:56] <MeepZA> might be a bit late for it
[13:56] <Superhuman> Kilos: always!
[13:57] <Kilos> bit late is better than not attending
[13:57] <MeepZA> adn this one is important with the release coming soon
[13:58] <Kilos> yeah
[13:58] <Kilos> does lubuntu also come via canonical guys?
[14:00] <MeepZA> where is the agenda for tonight's meeting?
[14:00] <Kilos> whew the monkey mailed it
[14:06] <tumbleweed> Kilos: no, primarily community-driven
[14:06] <MeepZA> must have got lost in my email filters
[14:07] <Kilos> oh my. ty tumbleweed
[14:07] <MeepZA> so according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd. they still support it, or at least it looks like they do
[14:07] <MeepZA> I know recently they dropped support for Kubuntu
[14:08] <tumbleweed> MeepZA: canonical only supports packages in main
[14:08] <tumbleweed> the Ubuntu desktop CD / DVD only contains packages from main
[14:09] <tumbleweed> the other CDs / DVDs contain packages from main and universe
[14:09] <tumbleweed> mind you, you pay them enough, and they'll support anything
[14:13] <MeepZA> so I would upgrade my desktop to precise now, except I don't want to download all the new packages from home
[14:13] <MeepZA> but playing around on my laptop I'm happy with it at the moment
[14:14] <tumbleweed> at the price-per-gig these days, dist-upgrades aren't that expensive. Probably about the same as two pints of beer
[14:15] <MeepZA> would it be reasonable to lug my desktop to TSL for the release party?
[14:16] <Symmetria> evening all
[14:16] <Symmetria> or afternoon
[14:16] <Symmetria> ;p lol Im losing track of timezones
[14:16] <MeepZA> hi Symmetria
[14:17] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[14:18] <Kilos> see you at the meeting guys. keep well
[14:19] <Symmetria> heh Im involved in the most insane project at the moment
[14:19] <Symmetria> we're trying to build a network overlay to create infrastructure for a multi-country opera
[14:19] <Symmetria> with performers in 3 countries at the same time and the music specifically composed to handle latency and delay
[14:19] <Symmetria> over absolutely sick amounts of bandwidth
[14:19] <MeepZA> sounds interesting
[14:20] <Symmetria> heh, 2 gigabit / second simplex streams
[14:20] <Symmetria> between .za and london, .za and brazil, .za and the UK and the UK and brazil
[14:20] <MeepZA> what's the highest latency you are expecting?
[14:21] <Symmetria> about 500ms
[14:21] <Symmetria> we're deliberately running raw video and audio with zero compression to remove any encode/decode delay on the streams
[14:22] <Symmetria> and will then ramp the packet sizes up and use jumbo frames to try and optimize the streams
[14:23] <Symmetria> as well as using segmented lightwave frequencies from the US down to brazil to segment the traffic and protect it better there (where there is less capacity, everywhere else there is plenty of capacity to use shared circuits)
[14:23] <MeepZA> surely some compression would help?
[14:24] <Symmetria> meepza *shake* compression reduces the bandwidth we need, but there is a far higher degree of latency introduced in the encode/decode process than what we'd deal with without it
[14:24] <Symmetria> real time compression of video and audio at those rates introduces a lot of latency
[14:25] <Symmetria> (as much as 2 to 3 seconds)
[14:25] <Symmetria> so we're just gonna chew bandwidth instead
[14:26] <tumbleweed> there are much lower latency compression options
[14:26] <tumbleweed> and uncompressed video at any non-minute frame size is truly gigantic
[14:27] <Symmetria> tumbleweed yeah, thats why we're talking about 2gigabit simplex streams
[14:27] <tumbleweed> that's still very limiting on your frame size
[14:27] <Symmetria> we're already tested the latency introduced on a number of codecs at half a gigabit, it definately works better uncompressed :)
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello
[17:23] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos, psydroid zeref Meep
[17:23] <kbmonkey> btw our agend page is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/406/detail/
[17:23] <Kilos> hiya superfly kbmonkey psydroid zeref Meep
[17:24] <kbmonkey> brb 4 mins...
[17:24] <Kilos> was thinking of reminding you to add that in the mail reminder kbmonkey for those that wanna catch up
[17:24] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[17:24] <maiatoday> hi Kilos and everybody
[17:25] <Kilos> Meep, what happened your ZA fell off
[17:25] <Kilos> hey drussell hows things
[17:26] <drussell> Kilos: good thanks, you?
[17:26] <Kilos> good ty
[17:26]  * maiatoday hopes this meeting will be quick because WoW runs so well on my new ubuntu install
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe whats WOW maiatoday
[17:27] <Banlam> world of warcraft..
[17:27] <maiatoday> World of Warcraft
[17:27] <Kilos> ah
[17:27] <Banlam> clearly kilos doesn't have friends who play/played it :)
[17:28] <Kilos> nope Banlam but i love war games like AOE and red alert
[17:28] <Banlam> nice
[17:28] <Kilos> pc wont do new games
[17:28] <Banlam> :(
[17:28] <Banlam> i played AoE2 again last year :)
[17:28] <Banlam> just as fun as when I first played it
[17:29] <Kilos> i enjoy it but not worth running windows just for that
[17:29] <Banlam> lol
[17:29] <Banlam> wine
[17:29] <psydroid> hi kbmonkey Kilos Banlam drussel maiatoday
[17:29] <Kilos> and runs bad on wine
[17:29] <Banlam> hey psydroid
[17:29] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[17:29] <Banlam> AoE2 was ok
[17:29] <Banlam> colours were a bit funky :P
[17:29] <psydroid> I ran it in vmware last year :)
[17:29] <octoquad> hey Kilos :)
[17:29] <octoquad> hello all
[17:29] <Kilos> i have AOE3 as well but crys for a better graphics card
[17:29] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker
[17:30] <Banlam> yup
[17:30] <Lionthinker> howzit guys
[17:30] <Banlam> also gave it a skip cause of computer at the time
[17:30] <Kilos> *cries
[17:30] <Banlam> I should get it now that I have an upgrade
[17:30] <Kilos> whew
[17:30] <Lionthinker> Kilos, whats up
[17:30] <maiatoday> I get similar framerates to the windows install on the same machine
[17:30] <Kilos> Lionthinker, almost meeting time
[17:31] <Banlam> maia, but you're running an i5 or something?
[17:31] <Banlam> on a 7 year old game :)
[17:31] <kbmonkey> hi Banlam, maiatoday and Lionthinker. and octoquad
[17:31] <Banlam> although i acknowledge there have obviously been updates
[17:31] <Lionthinker> so this is before meet chat
[17:31] <Kilos> yip
[17:31] <octoquad> hey kbmonkey
[17:31] <kbmonkey> does anybody have agenda items to add before we begin?
[17:32] <Lionthinker> could we run through the agenda as it is?
[17:32] <kbmonkey> yes
[17:32] <kbmonkey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/406/detail/
[17:32] <kbmonkey> we have: * review previous minutes
[17:32] <kbmonkey> that is all :p
[17:32] <maiatoday> no and the release parties?
[17:32] <Banlam> so maia's wish for a quick meeting...
[17:33] <maiatoday> no pressure, we discuss what we need to
[17:33] <Lionthinker> launch party and promotion idea
[17:33] <kbmonkey> it doeit does cover the essentials, ill re-add them to todays...
[17:33] <Kilos> lol games can be paused a bit
[17:34] <Kilos> Kirill_Rus, you here?
[17:34] <Kilos> hi confluency you sitting in tonight?
[17:34] <Lionthinker> so how does this thing work
[17:35] <Lionthinker> I imagine we can't stick our hands up when wanting to talk...
[17:35] <Kilos> Lionthinker, which thing?
[17:35] <maiatoday> this is your first meeting, Lionthinker
[17:35] <Kilos> no you talk
[17:35] <maiatoday> I think kbmonkey will chair
[17:35] <maiatoday> you can talk when you want but we try to stay on the topic
[17:35] <Lionthinker> maiatoday, thats kind of what of was wondering
[17:35] <maiatoday> Maaz will take minutes
[17:35] <kbmonkey> okay I added items from the last  minutes... lets get a crackin
[17:36] <maiatoday> we throw virtual rotten tomatoes at people who go ot wildly :P
[17:36] <Kilos> kbmonkey, setup maaz
[17:36] <kbmonkey> yey for maiatoday our tomatoe thrower :]
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:36]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:37] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[17:37] <Maaz> maiatoday: Yessir
[17:37] <Banlam> maaz, I am Gareth Cawood
[17:37] <Maaz> Banlam: Done
[17:37] <Lionthinker> hehe
[17:37] <Meep> hi, I am back
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:37] <kbmonkey> tell Maaz who you are: Maaz I am <your name>
[17:37] <maiatoday> Lionthinker: introduce yourself to Maaz
[17:37] <octoquad> Maaz, I am Bruce Pieterse
[17:37] <Maaz> octoquad: Yessir
[17:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:37] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Righto
[17:37] <MeepZA> Maaz I am Henk Joubert
[17:37] <Maaz> MeepZA: Yessir
[17:37] <Lionthinker> Maaz, I'm Leon Marincowitz
[17:37] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Huh?
[17:37] <Kilos> lol i am
[17:37] <christiaan_> I am Christiaan Diedericks
[17:37] <Kilos> not i'm
[17:38] <Kilos> hi christiaan_
[17:38] <Lionthinker> nice to meet you all
[17:38] <Kilos> Lionthinker, log in again please
[17:38] <Lionthinker> sidenote [I hope this doesn't follow to much like an AA meeting]
[17:38] <Kilos> wb MeepZA
[17:38] <maiatoday> Maaz is very picky and prone to syntax, you have to talk to her otherwise she doesn't listn
[17:38] <Banlam> christiaan_, , you must tell maaz you're talking to him
[17:38] <Lionthinker> Kilos,
[17:38] <Lionthinker> how do I do that
[17:39] <kbmonkey> you start with "Maaz, I am <your name>"
[17:39] <maiatoday> oops
[17:39] <kbmonkey> oh dear
[17:39] <Kilos> you type in maaz i am name
[17:39] <Kilos> Lionthinker, wb
[17:39] <kbmonkey> welcome back!
[17:39] <Lionthinker> am i here
[17:40] <Kilos> Lionthinker, you start with "Maaz, I am <your name>"
[17:40] <Kilos> no quote ggodies
[17:40] <Kilos> goodies
[17:40] <maiatoday> welcome all new people see Kilos' instruction ^^ and introduce yourselves
[17:40] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:40] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[17:40] <Kilos> nice to see new faces hey?
[17:41] <kbmonkey> good evening superfly
[17:41] <Kilos> yo superfly
[17:41] <kbmonkey> it's okay, you new folks will get it :D
[17:41] <kbmonkey> Welcome everyone thanks for joining us!
[17:41] <octoquad> :)
[17:42] <kbmonkey> contrary to what Lionthinker asked, no it wont follow like an AA meeting :p
[17:42]  * maiatoday takes a sip of cider
[17:42] <kbmonkey> the agenda is online at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/406/detail/
[17:42] <Kilos> hehe
[17:42]  * kbmonkey jeaulous pout at maiatoday
[17:43] <Kilos> jealous
[17:43] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[17:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:44] <Banlam> what exactly was discussed with regards to ubuntu hours?
[17:44]  * maiatoday throws a fresh tomato at Kilos and kbmonkey which transforms into a cider on landing
[17:44] <kbmonkey> Ordering Ubuntu CD's review: let me check the archives...
[17:44] <Banlam> just getting more going?
[17:44] <maiatoday> I ordered the ubuntu cds
[17:44] <Kilos> heee hee ty maiatoday
[17:44] <maiatoday> drubin made me admin type person so I filled in the form, I will follow up again to make sure they are on their way
[17:44] <kbmonkey> yes you did, thanks maiatoday! just a formality. I'll leave it off this agenda so no recap next time until they arrive
[17:45]  * kbmonkey cheers Kilos + Maaz
[17:45] <kbmonkey> + maiatoday
[17:45] <Kilos> huh?
[17:45] <Kilos> oh sorry
[17:45] <Kilos> logheim
[17:46] <Kilos> our jerry isnt here to check spelling
[17:46] <kbmonkey> okay our review is pretty short this month, I moved those into our agenda...
[17:46] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:46] <maiatoday> we had an ubuntu hour in stellenbosch, so we'll have another after the release parties again
[17:46] <kbmonkey> Maaz, Ubuntu Hours
[17:46] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[17:46] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Ubuntu Hours
[17:46] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu Hours
[17:47] <kbmonkey> okay that is good to hear
[17:47] <maiatoday> Also I am thinking of having a sortof post release party ubuntu hour after the release party so that the people who can't make it can meet
[17:47] <kbmonkey> for the new folks, an Ubuntu Hour is when you meet somewhere in the spirit of Ubuntu
[17:48] <MeepZA> I should probably organise one post release party as well
[17:48] <kbmonkey> If you like to know more about what UH is, and how to have one, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[17:48] <maiatoday> MeepZA: lots of stellenbosch people will be away for the release party because of the long weekend so an informal  meet after will be good
[17:49] <kbmonkey> Kilos, we can have an ubuntu hour on irc, yes? ;)
[17:49] <MeepZA> maiatoday I realised a lot of people will be away, but for those whoa re here having it on a public holiday makes sense
[17:49] <Kilos> ya
[17:49] <maiatoday> no problem MeepZA we will just meet again, I am glad you are organising
[17:50] <kbmonkey> yes thanks MeepZA
[17:50] <kbmonkey> any questions...?
[17:51] <kbmonkey> Promise maia won't throw any more tomatoes ;P
[17:51] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <kbmonkey> kay
[17:51] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Precise Pangolin release parties (26 April 2012)
[17:51] <Maaz> Current Topic: Precise Pangolin release parties (26 April 2012)
[17:52] <kbmonkey> there is quite a chat on the email list about this
[17:52] <maiatoday> MeepZA: I couldn't get tickets for AfrikaBurn so I'll def make the release party, is there anything that needs to be done
[17:53] <MeepZA> not really
[17:53] <Banlam> where are there parties organised for?
[17:53] <MeepZA> I'm even organising a pangolin cake
[17:53] <kbmonkey> cake! wow!
[17:53] <maiatoday> yay for for cake
[17:53] <MeepZA> tsl, UCT, cape town
[17:53] <MeepZA> and there was talk on the list about pretoria
[17:54] <kbmonkey> you can see the email chatter at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2012-April/thread.html
[17:54] <Banlam> ty
[17:54] <kbmonkey> but best to join the email list so you don't miss anything ;)
[17:54] <Banlam> yup
[17:55] <kbmonkey> Ill contact the dbn lug too and see what they think
[17:55] <MeepZA> maiatoday have you blogged about it?
[17:55] <Kilos> kbmonkey, didnt yourself magespawn and nuvolari also say you gonna have a durbs one
[17:56] <kbmonkey> yes!
[17:56] <maiatoday> nope not yet, sorry
[17:56] <maiatoday> Maaz action maiatoday to blog about release parties
[17:56] <Maaz> maiatoday: Huh?
[17:56] <maiatoday> bleargh
[17:56] <maiatoday> botsyntax
[17:56] <kbmonkey> isit not, um..
[17:56] <kbmonkey> agreed?
[17:57] <maiatoday> Maaz agreed maiatoday to blog about release
[17:57] <Maaz> Agreed: maiatoday to blog about release
[17:57] <kbmonkey> idea
[17:57] <maiatoday> MeepZA: do you need more demo stuff
[17:58] <MeepZA> also I'm planning to use the facebook event to judge numbers, should I be worried about more people attending? (for cake purposes)
[17:58] <kbmonkey> first come, first cake, is a good motivator
[17:58] <maiatoday> don't worry, the cake regulates itself, we just make smaller slices if there are too many
[17:58] <Kilos> cut the cake late and size slices accordingly
[17:58] <kbmonkey> the fourth law of cakes
[17:59] <maiatoday> it will be gone by the end of the day
[17:59] <MeepZA> maiatoday so I've installed a few games on my laptop, might bring my desktop to show off things though
[17:59] <maiatoday> ok
[17:59] <MeepZA> any reccomendations would be appreciated, but we can chat about that later I'm sure
[17:59] <maiatoday> anybody else wanna demo something at the release party? open invitatino
[18:00] <MeepZA> do you wine WoW? ,aybe we should pick a few windows games that work well with it
[18:00] <MeepZA> maybe*
[18:00] <maiatoday> yeah I wine WoW
[18:00] <amanica> I spoke to Nico Michael a while ago, as noted in on the mailinglist: AFAIK the Pretoria release party will be Saturday morning the 5th of May.
[18:00] <maiatoday> yay amanica
[18:00] <MeepZA> I have heard people get better fps in wine than in windows with some games
[18:00] <maiatoday> good news
[18:01] <kbmonkey> thanks for the info amanica
[18:01] <maiatoday> amanica: do you guys need help putting things on the loco website and if you mail me the detail, I'll put it in the blog post too
[18:01] <maiatoday> also if you are going remember to take a photo or too
[18:01] <maiatoday> s/too/two/
[18:02] <amanica> miatoday: no problem, I think if I see Nico tomorrow, we should send out a more coherent mail
[18:02] <MeepZA> would it be a good idea to pick up a stack of DVD's or some flash drives for the release party?
[18:02] <amanica> and update the website
[18:02] <kbmonkey> we have a bunch of blogs feeding through http://ubuntu-za.org <-- our ZA portal
[18:02] <kbmonkey> so pictures and news we post will collect there
[18:03] <maiatoday> also my blog (and some other peoples) goes through to the ubuntu planet
[18:03] <maiatoday> I don't think the official cds will be here in time MeepZA
[18:03] <amanica> (I'm on the planet too, so my 1 in 2 years ubuntu post should appear :)
[18:03] <kbmonkey> he he
[18:04] <kbmonkey> no I doubt we'll have any official CD's by then, but we can still parte
[18:04] <MeepZA> I was referring to blanks we could burn on the toaster
[18:04] <maiatoday> yeah that's a good idea MeepZA
[18:04] <MeepZA> or flash drives, been meaning to pick up a new one anyway
[18:04] <MeepZA> and the install goes faster that way
[18:04] <amanica> yeah I think it is good to bring some cd's/dvds along, last time we had people run around to buy some, so you can even make a profit :)
[18:05] <kbmonkey> remember, you can also have install fests!
[18:05] <maiatoday> I still have some stickers I'll bring those
[18:05] <MeepZA> profiteering off ubuntu would make me feel dirty
[18:05] <MeepZA> yay stickers :D
[18:05] <amanica> any chance of sending us some stickers?
[18:05]  * kbmonkey *nods*
[18:05] <superfly> MeepZA: there's a difference between profiting and profiteering :-P
[18:06] <amanica> I can sponsor some?!
[18:06] <maiatoday> amanica: mail me and I'll try to get some to you,
[18:06] <amanica> sweet
[18:06] <maiatoday> I should make up a new batch again some time
[18:06] <amanica> stickers are very popular, and free advertising
[18:07] <kbmonkey> our agenda items are done, anybody like to discuss anything else?
[18:07] <MeepZA> I recognise a friend's car because he put a "linux inside" sticker on it
[18:08] <maiatoday> amanica it's pretty easy to get stickers made, there are resources online so you could also make up a batch if you want
[18:08] <kbmonkey> ^ +100 internets
[18:08] <amanica> maiatoday, interesting :) I can look into it
[18:09] <kbmonkey> Thanks all for joining. Remember IRC is open 24/7 so you don't have to exit now that we have done here ;)
[18:09] <kbmonkey> hang around, and catch some more tomatoes.
[18:09] <Kilos> modern printers should print them fine. just to use the correct paper
[18:09] <octoquad> Have any of you heard of Dead Drops? Imagine having this setup around the city with the latest Ubuntu installation -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwohadcUv4A&feature=youtube_gdata Just an idea, but might not work
[18:09] <maiatoday> quick poll: what kind of stickers should I make up next,1) those silver small  powered by ubuntu stickers 2) more of those domed gooey ones 3) something else
[18:10] <maiatoday> MeepZA: I get better framerates on my ubuntu WoW than on windows
[18:10] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[18:10] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:10] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-04-16-17-36-51.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-04-16-17-36-51.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-04-16-17-36-51.html
[18:10] <amanica> maiatoday: +1 for 1) and 2) from me
[18:10] <maiatoday> but that's because some features are disabled for opengl
[18:10] <kbmonkey> oh my, i got lagged and a bunch of messages flooded in at once :/
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <MeepZA> maiatoday do you have any graphical artefacts?
[18:11] <maiatoday> ok amanica mail me and I can always send you the pdf file if you want to have stuff made locally
[18:11] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you are the man on copying apt archives
[18:11] <maiatoday> MeepZA: on my one box I do but on the new laptop I don't
[18:11] <kbmonkey> have you used aptoncd?
[18:11] <Kilos> what about it kbmonkey ?
[18:11] <Kilos> yip
[18:11] <Kilos> long ago
[18:12] <maiatoday> the new laptop has intel integrated graphics and optimus enabled nvidia graphics
[18:12] <Kilos> rsync works well
[18:12] <kbmonkey> Ill have a looksy at that too
[18:12] <kbmonkey> fan of rsync
[18:12] <maiatoday> so I have to run bumblebee  and run WoW explicitly on the nvidia card
[18:12] <Kilos> ah that bumblebee again
[18:13] <kbmonkey> you people and your wow. what happened to quake? ;D
[18:13] <MeepZA> maiatoday are you using the nv driver or the proprietry one?
[18:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I saw a bumblebee in the garden today.
[18:13] <Kilos> hehe
[18:13] <MeepZA> kbmonkey oepnarena :)
[18:13] <maiatoday> I am using the bumblebee version of the nvidia driver MeepZA
[18:13] <kbmonkey> It was zooming around the aubergines
[18:14] <Kilos> bumblebee gave langjan big probs
[18:14] <kbmonkey> I've heard of this openarena MeepZA. is that online?
[18:14] <MeepZA> not sure, played it in class few times on the lan though
[18:14] <kbmonkey> I meant more like Quake I he he
[18:14] <afrodeity> hi peeps
[18:15] <maiatoday> First person shooters make me seasick
[18:15] <Kilos> hi afrodeity
[18:15] <afrodeity> hello kilos
[18:15] <MeepZA> we could probably get a game going in TSL, though teeworlds is more popular with the students
[18:16] <Banlam> teeworlds \o/
[18:16] <Banlam> haven't played that in ages
[18:16] <maiatoday> cool lets play teeworlds at the release party
[18:16] <afrodeity> cable freedom coming soon
[18:16] <maiatoday> I've never played it :D
[18:17] <MeepZA> meh, I'm so over teeworlds, but sure
[18:17] <Banlam> kinda similar to baboviolent
[18:17] <MeepZA> anyone a fan of RTS games that has yet to try spring?
[18:17] <nuvolari> o/
[18:17] <nuvolari> oh hi
[18:17] <nuvolari> did I miss anything?
[18:17] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[18:17] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[18:17] <Kilos> everything
[18:17] <MeepZA> nuvolari long time no see
[18:18] <nuvolari> maiatoday, kbmonkey, MeepZA
[18:18]  * nuvolari tips hat
[18:18] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, o/
[18:18] <maiatoday> hi nuvolari
[18:18] <Kilos> nuvolari, you are organizing the ubuntu hour in pta
[18:18] <Kilos> grrr
[18:18] <kbmonkey> you missed the best parts!
[18:18] <Kilos> durbs
[18:18] <nuvolari> *sigh* I always miss the good stuffs :(
[18:18] <maiatoday> spring looks interesting MeepZA
[18:18] <kbmonkey> is okay, we saved you some biscuits
[18:18] <afrodeity> anyone using gnome?
[18:18] <nuvolari> \o/
[18:18] <kbmonkey> Maaz, rusks
[18:18] <Maaz> kbmonkey: rusks are dunkable hard biscuits
[18:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is the meet over/
[18:19] <nuvolari> thanks kbmonkey
[18:19] <maiatoday> I saved you a tomato but I won't throw it at you
[18:19] <nuvolari> afrodeity: me
[18:19] <MeepZA> afrodeity I am using gnome 2 and 3
[18:19] <afrodeity> gnome 3 rocks
[18:19] <kbmonkey> ^ when thrown the magic tomatoes turn into a refreshing beverage
[18:19] <nuvolari> ++
[18:19] <MeepZA> I like the new gnome,. but it doesn't work properly with my multi monitor setp
[18:19] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos, it has ended
[18:19] <Kilos> wb Lionthinker
[18:20] <kbmonkey> hang on Ill find the links...
[18:20] <maiatoday> haha kbmonkey maybe it's when caught the magic tomato turns into beverage of your choice
[18:20] <Kilos> then we can have coffee yay
[18:20] <Lionthinker> Hi my name is Leon Marincowitz, and I have a very bad 3g connection
[18:20] <Lionthinker> apologies
[18:20] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:20]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:20] <kbmonkey> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-04-16-17-36-51.txt
[18:20] <nuvolari> MeepZA: long time no see... who are you?  The friday, which is a holiday. I should be able to make it.
[18:21] <nuvolari> MeepZA: I'm only on 1 irc nets :P
[18:21] <afrodeity> Telkom, the only Home Cable Co are refusing to migrate my line
[18:22] <afrodeity> so I guess its mesh networks as backup
[18:22] <Lionthinker> damn
[18:22] <Lionthinker> so where do I get a cheap but more powerful modem ideally 21 mbs
[18:22] <maiatoday> Well I'm gonna go play now, MeepZA shout if you need me to do anything
[18:22] <MeepZA> so finally got telkom to install my line the same month my 3G prepaid deal ended
[18:23] <Kilos> whew you dont want much
[18:23] <maiatoday> bye all
[18:23] <afrodeity> I moved house and it took them 22 days to move the line
[18:23] <afrodeity> by Maia
[18:23] <Lionthinker> stupid question, but when I scrowl up I only see the last conversation I was part of, where do I catch up with that which i missed?
[18:23] <afrodeity> now they refusing to migrate the line from MWEB to WEB africa
[18:24] <afrodeity> check the logs
[18:24] <Kilos> Lionthinker, there is a way to read logs
[18:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:24] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:24] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:24] <Lionthinker> Kilos, do tell
[18:24] <afrodeity> maaz: google irc logs
[18:24] <Maaz> afrodeity: "IRC logs" http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ :: "IRC Logs Archive" http://www.irclog.org/ :: "Ubuntu IRC Logs" http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ :: "QDB: Quote Database Home" http://www.bash.org/ :: "irclogger – Freenode IRC logs" http://www.irclogger.com/ :: "Django IRC logs" http://django-irc-logs.com/ :: "WordPress IRC Logs" https://irclogs.wordpress.org/ :: "IRC logs - Planet RDF" http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/
[18:24] <Kilos> ask the clever guys how
[18:25] <Lionthinker> ah that must be maaz
[18:25] <Kilos> superfly, how do we read these logs please
[18:25] <Lionthinker> Kilos, so what does that make you and I?
[18:25] <Kilos> lol im an appy geek
[18:25] <Banlam> by default you can't just read logs unless you were in a channel when the conversation took place
[18:25] <Banlam> maaz might keep logs
[18:25] <Banlam> or the server
[18:25] <Banlam> which I'm not sure of
[18:25] <Banlam> but you can view the meeting logs
[18:26] <Banlam> as those are recorded
[18:26] <Kilos> we got a log bot havent we
[18:26] <Kilos> Owkkuri, help with logs from here please
[18:26] <Banlam> maaz, help
[18:26] <Maaz> Banlam: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[18:26] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[18:26] <Banlam> maaz help with logs
[18:26] <Maaz> Banlam: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[18:27] <Banlam> maaz what can you do
[18:27] <superfly> Just read the HTML logs that Maaz told everyone about at the end of the meeting
[18:27] <Maaz> Banlam: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[18:27] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[18:27] <Kilos> ubuntulog is our logbot methinks
[18:27] <Lionthinker> Maaz, you crack me up, now I need coffee
[18:27] <Maaz> Lionthinker: *blink*
[18:27] <Kilos> but dunno how to find them
[18:27] <afrodeity> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[18:27] <afrodeity> i think
[18:28] <Banlam> looks like it
[18:28] <Lionthinker> afrodeity, yeh I clicked there and it came up, you must have drunk the coolade
[18:28] <Banlam> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/16/%23ubuntu-za.html
[18:28] <afrodeity> think I'm going to make a batch of raspberry
[18:28] <superfly> IRC does not keep logs
[18:28] <superfly> people keep logs of IRC
[18:29] <Banlam> in mother russia, irc logs you
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <afrodeity> in sa that would the dept of information
[18:29] <MeepZA> in soviet russia irc logs keep you
[18:30] <Kilos> kbmonkey, thanks for chairing
[18:30] <Lionthinker> in south africa, that would soon be classified, just like mother russia
[18:30] <afrodeity> R2k
[18:30] <Kilos> maia left before one could say ty and night
[18:30]  * MeepZA wanders off to get some russian holy water
[18:30] <Kilos> naughty girl
[18:30] <MeepZA> maia wanted to raid!
[18:30]  * afrodeity off to the fridge
[18:30] <Kilos> WOW is her favourite drug now
[18:31] <Lionthinker> how is that star thing done?
[18:31] <MeepZA> I'm glad I got over that part of my youth
[18:31] <Banlam> lion thinker, type /me before your message
[18:31] <Kilos>  you type /me messgae
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe im too slow
[18:32] <Banlam> :)
[18:32] <Kilos> MeepZA, youth?
[18:32] <Kilos> are you like 30
[18:33] <Lionthinker> me going crazy on this loco
[18:33]  * Lionthinker going loco
[18:33] <Kilos> forward slash first
[18:33] <Lionthinker> Banlam, thanks
[18:33] <Kilos>     /me
[18:33] <Banlam> np
[18:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:34] <Lionthinker> Kilos, say that again
[18:34] <Kilos> you type in /me and your message
[18:35] <Kilos> but you did it man
[18:35]  * Kilos scratches head
[18:36] <Banlam> sjoe
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos> ek sukkel party keer met my volkie
[18:36] <Kilos> kbmonkey, where you went??
[18:37] <Banlam> jou volkie?
[18:37] <Kilos> my peeps
[18:37] <Banlam> :P
[18:37] <Kilos> my buddies
[18:37] <Kilos> friends
[18:37] <Kilos> the irc guys and gals
[18:38] <Banlam> i think we git the point :P
[18:38] <Banlam> that's a cute term for them/us
[18:38] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:38] <MeepZA> Kilos I played a lot of wow during high school
[18:38]  * Kilos sighs there werent pcs in my highschool days
[18:39] <Banlam> :O
[18:39] <MeepZA> I'm only 21, so not over my youth, just the wow part of it
[18:39] <Kilos> i think nassa was still using blackboards
[18:39]  * Banlam has had computers around him for as long as he can remember
[18:39] <Kilos> hmm short memory
[18:39] <Banlam> lol
[18:40] <MeepZA> I have a terrible memmory
[18:40] <Kilos> wait till you must try member back 40 years to when you were 20
[18:40] <MeepZA> I am afraid of that day
[18:41] <Banlam> outoppie :P
[18:41] <Kilos> haha
[18:41] <Kilos> ballie
[18:41]  * Banlam has 37 years till that day
[18:41] <Kilos> wow thats nice my son is 36 i think
[18:42] <Banlam> no grandkids yet?
[18:42] <Kilos> na
[18:42] <Kilos> sigh
[18:43] <Kilos> my sis has 2 of 11
[18:45] <Lionthinker> okay so random question: U1 doesn't need proxy settings on U. On windows on a proxy network I can't get U1 to work
[18:45] <nuvolari> o/ 'night everyone
[18:45] <nuvolari> nag oom Kilos  :)
[18:45] <Kilos> nag nuvolari lekker slaap seun
[18:45] <nuvolari> dankie! oom ook
[18:45] <MeepZA> gnight people, I'm off as well
[18:45] <Banlam> gnight
[18:45] <Kilos> night MeepZA ty for attending meet
[18:46] <Banlam> Lionthinker, what is U1?
[18:47] <Owkkuri> you rang Kilos?
[18:47] <Kilos> aw sorry Owkkuri wanted to find out how to read backlogs
[18:48] <Owkkuri> did you come right?
[18:48] <Kilos> it was for lionthinker Owkkuri
[18:48] <Kilos> his 3g disconnected him through the meet
[18:49] <Owkkuri> oh ok
[18:49] <Kilos> ty
[18:51] <superfly> Banlam: UbuntuOne
[18:51] <Banlam> ohh
[18:51] <Banlam> I haven't used it at all
[18:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:52] <Banlam> gnight
[18:56] <zeref> hmmmmm


[22:03] <ikonia> Phanes: I asked you to verify the iso name as it was not correct, and you got moody about it, because you'd not given a valid name
[22:03] <ikonia> Phanes: you started typing in caps when I asked for the specific stage of the installer
[22:03] <Phanes> it is your current LTS public iso
[22:03] <Phanes> and you were given this
[22:03] <Phanes> and now you're lying about being provided bad or undetailed info
[22:03] <ikonia> Phanes: there is no such thing as lts public iso, hence why I askedyou to verfiy it
[22:03] <ikonia> I'n not telling lies, I suggest you just drop it and carry on with what you are doing
[22:04] <Phanes> the ? are you serious?
[22:04] <Phanes> filename?
[22:04] <ikonia> maybe others in the channel will want to work with you
[22:04] <Phanes> you think that's relevant?
[22:04] <Phanes> why are you here?
[22:04] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Mate, what's exactly the issue that you're having?
[22:04] <Phanes> why are you giving people advice?
[22:04] <ikonia> Phanes: I didn't know, thats why I asked about the name,
[22:04] <Phanes> you should not be helping people, you should be taking classes
[22:04] <ikonia> I didn't know what "public.iso"
[22:05] <selfl0rd> hello all, I did check the compatability and it said it was compatable with linux
[22:05] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: There is obvious frustration going on - what exactly is the problem that you're having, mate?
[22:05] <selfl0rd> it's an AC600
[22:06] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: One thing to try is to open a terminal, and type: ubuntu-drivers list => that will show you what other drivers are required for your system.
[22:06] <selfl0rd> it's a "Glam Hobby 600Mbps AC600 Dual Band USB WiFi Dongle & Wireless Network Adapter"
[22:07] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder thank you i'll try that now!
[22:07] <Phanes> anyway, YankDownUnder, poweredge server, raid0, usb install of the public server iso, during parititioning it tells me /dev/sda has mounts in use.  i go to not make changes to sda and install my filesystems, it lets me choose between sda, which is says is my raid0, or sdb, which is says is my usb stick.  mount says /dev/sda1 is mounted at /media, i go there and see it's the contents of my usb stick.  the installer appears to be confused about drive le
[22:07] <Phanes> ttering but i dont see the cause
[22:08] <Phanes> also if i unmount /dev/sda1 and then go to the partitioning section of the installer it will break my usb stick's filesystem and i have to reapply the iso
[22:08] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Is it possible to restart the installation - from the ground up? (From the absolute beginning)
[22:08] <Phanes> yeah ive done it like 30 times to reproduce this
[22:08] <spade34597> can anyone help ?
[22:08] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder I ran that command it only returned with "amd64-microcode"
[22:09] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Here's something to ask, before actually performing the installation have you created/changed any of the partitions or the partition scheme of the target system?
[22:09] <Phanes> YankDownUnder, we can't even get to OS installation because it fries the layout on both disks
[22:09] <spade34597> test, can anyone see what i type ?
[22:10] <Phanes> also there is no fdisk on this install media
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Ok...easy enough...you can then type: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall => follow the directions, probably reboot...when you've done that, in the "Software Centre" you'll see an option for 3d party drivers...click on that...it SHOULD show the required drivers for the "stick" (obviously make sure you have the stick plugged in)
[22:11] <Phanes> is there a big difference between the desktop iso and the server iso?  if not i could just put the desktop version on and use that
[22:11] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder thank you sir! I'll try this now :)
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Right...fair enough...that is a bit more complex an issue...have you checked in #ubuntu-server for any assistance?
[22:11] <spade34597> this is useless
[22:11] <Phanes> oh, there's a separate channel for -server lol good to know
[22:11] <Phanes> spade34597, i see ya
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: You're seen.
[22:12] <spade34597> oh lol ... finally :D
[22:12] <squinty> spade34597,  just ask your question, if someone knows they will respond
[22:12] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: You've chosen the server edition...was the target machine already being used as a server - i.e., did you have a previous version installed - or similar?
[22:12] <spade34597> im trying to create a multibooting USB key, can anyone help me with a guide or software?
[22:13] <spade34597> thx squinty
[22:13] <Phanes> YankDownUnder, yeah i put 15.10 LTS in the same manner with the same configuration flawlessly with the same options about a month ago
[22:13] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Ok...coolbeans...so you didn't want to "upgrade" just by going through the live OS?
[22:13] <Phanes> im going to reimage the usb stick with the 15.10 iso and see if it still has the same issue.  if it doesn't im filing a bug report
[22:14] <Phanes> right, i was not doing this to upgrade, i wanted to tank the install
[22:14] <squinty> spade34597,  might want to check out pendrivelinux.com
[22:14] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Yeah - could do that...and yeah, coolbeans - ditch the old and start fresh...understandable...
[22:14] <spade34597> squinty: been there and tried all options :/
[22:15] <spade34597> squinty: i got multibootusb, but it wont start with a USB inserted... only without
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: Check the BIOS options for boot order
[22:16] <Jordan_U> spade34597: Yes.
[22:16] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: its not that, i cannot create the USB in the first place using multibootusb, or any other software
[22:16] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: And is it safe to assume that you've re-formatted/partitioned the USB in question?
[22:17] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: yep, FAT32
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: ...and you've checked the partition on that USB to make sure it was "bootable", too, hmm?
[22:18] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: i can start multibootusb program, without the USB. Then insert it, and finds it. But then i cannot add iso's
[22:19] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: Are you doing this as a "sudo" user? Because it oddly kinda sounds like that...(no permissions to directly access devices)
[22:19] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: yep, i tried with a lubuntu install, and it works
[22:19] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: yes as root
[22:19] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: I've done the driver auto install and rebooted. When you say "Software Centre" is that the Software and Updates?
[22:19] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: Right oh...far out...
[22:20] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: i need to get (l)ubuntu and a windos install on
[22:20] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Si.
[22:20] <spade34597> *windows
[22:21] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: I see an Additional Drivers tab. I go there, and I see "Unknown: Unknown" and it says "This devide is using an alternative driver. I have the options of using Processor Microcode firmware for AMD CPU's or an option to "Do not use the device"
[22:21] <selfl0rd> I unfortunately do not see a stick or 3rd party option
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: The manufacturer stated that it's "linux compatible" - on their website (or whatever) - does it specify what distributions are supported, or, does it point to a driver download or source code, etc etc etc?
[22:23] <selfl0rd> It stated it was supported on amazon when I bought it. Unfortunately no it did not specify which distribution. One moment I'll see if I can find anything on their website
[22:23] <selfl0rd> THank you for your help by the way
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: ...and if the device is using an "alternative" driver, have you tested to make sure that it's working yet? You said it was a wifi card - have you checked in the "network connections" to see if wifi is showing up?
[22:24] <selfl0rd> Also, I do have an internal wireless card in the laptop, if that makes any difference in this
[22:24] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: All is good...great way to start a Monday morning...
[22:27] <selfl0rd> Sorry I lost connection there for a moment
[22:27] <selfl0rd> did you see my last chat about an internal wifi?
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Yes...that being said, if you want to see what's plugged in - USB wise, you can open a terminal and type: lsusb => that will show you what is plugged in - and give you a device/maker name
[22:29] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: This "stick" is a wifi stick, is there a reason you're not wanting to use the internal/built-in wifi?
[22:29] <selfl0rd> yes I believe the internal card is very weak
[22:29] <selfl0rd> I lose connection a lot
[22:35] <Phanes> YankDownUnder, ikonia install of LTS 15.10 server's public iso was flawless
[22:35] <Phanes> first attempt
[22:35] <Phanes> so there's obviously a bug in the new server LTS ISO
[22:36] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Far out...well, then that answers that particular question...and are you absolutely sure that the MD5SUM of the downloaded server ISO is correct? (Sometimes things get mucked up in downloading...kinda normal)
[22:36] <Phanes> the md5sum matches
[22:37] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Right oh, fair enough...and just on that note, you've double-checked all the init settings prior to the boot? (parameters to be passed to the kernel)...always nice to know - because there is ALWAYS a next time...
[22:38] <Phanes> no i just left all of them at defaults
[22:38] <Phanes> i wont be using the new LTS or future versions, this was just a refresh until i can pick out a viable replacement for future servers
[22:40] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Kinda sad that you've had a bad experience with the LTS of 16.04, but hey, as long as it ain't "Windows Server 2012" or such...I've not had any issues with 16.04 server...and I tend to bash the crap out of things...therefore, for ME, it's been rather nice...but hey, we're all different, and that's the beauty of it all...
[22:41] <Phanes> yeah i need that raid0 working and my drive lettering to be solid
[22:41] <Phanes> it could be specific to that hardware
[22:41] <Phanes> but we'll never know lol
[22:42] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Fair enough...so RAID0...got a mixup of drives, eh?
[22:43] <Phanes> yeah, summary is basically, usb as /dev/sda, installer in some places called sda the raid0, and in others the usb.
[22:43] <selfl0rd> So, as stated previously, I'm very new to linux. Aside from basic directory navigation, I really don't know what I'm doing. I'm not ashamed to admit that, but I'm very eager to learn. Do any of you have an experience with any online resources for complete beginners? Or do you know of any resources to build linux skills from the ground up?
[22:43] <Startrek852> Hello.
[22:43] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Fair enough
[22:44] <Bashing-om> !manual | selfl0rd
[22:44] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Something else to look at: https://www.linux.com/learn/complete-beginners-guide-linux
[22:45] <selfl0rd> Well, to be honest, I'm not really looking to use linux as a casual web surfing OS or multi-media
[22:45] <selfl0rd> I want to try my hand at learning how computers talk to each other, and what I'm able to make a machine do
[22:45] <Bashing-om> selfl0rd: Others I have found of value : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Trusty ; ttp://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html .
[22:46] <selfl0rd> Oh nice! Thank you for the links!
[22:47] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Great to collect heaps of links - and to READ...linux is like a "Swiss Army Knife"...you can live with it as your "spoon", or  you can get extremely down and dirty and take over the world...your choice...
[22:47] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: Great analogy :P
[22:48] <selfl0rd> Windows is my spoon on another machine :P I use it for casual computing and gaming
[22:48] <selfl0rd> Linux to me seems like a craft. A good trade to acquire.
[22:49] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Fair enough...in time, you'll find that linux is also great for gaming...was actually the original place/OS for hard core multi-user/player games...Quake, Doom, etc...."back in the day"...and Steam runs on linux...aside from the tonnes of games available for free...
[22:50] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: That sounds good as well!
[22:50] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: All is good...just can't seem to get linux to make me a coffee or bring me donuts...YET...
[22:51] <selfl0rd> Haha
[22:52] <selfl0rd> sudo apt-get donuts
[22:53] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: That day is comming .. Already ubuntu drives cars .. soon will be robotic to fetch the coffee !
[23:04] <kulelu88> Once you actually start using Linux, you realize that as a desktop, it is not much different from windows, except that when you screw something up, you can dig as deep as you want to figure out what is going on. no black boxes, well until you get deep enough that is
[23:10] <msev-> If i do that suid stuff to arp-scan does it mean i wont have to write sudo and the password for that program any more?
[23:10] <msev-> That chmod something something :)
[23:15] <BlueProtoman> In which PPA can I get the latest version of Boost?
[23:19] <daniel> oi
[23:28] <cwolford> can someone help me get a usb/wifi scanner working?
[23:29] <calicojack> what is the chipset?
[23:31] <cwolford> it's a pixma mp560 multifunction, printer portion works, scanner is recognized when plugged into usb but simple scan fails to recognize it.
[23:31] <cwolford> er...fails to connect to it.
[23:41] <porjaus> does anyone have experience with kleopatra to encrypt with gpg?
[23:49] <sine0> hi there folks. I have 2.8.16-1ubuntu1 which has a major bug in it and i want to roll back or use 2.8.16-0. how can i do this ?
[23:50] <dyc3> sine0, is that the kernel version?
[23:51] <sine0> no i think its just the gimp dev version number
[23:53] <debidi> sine0: download .deb and dpkg -i <pkg>.deb
[23:53] <debidi> sudo ofc
[23:55] <Ben64> sine0: what's the bug
[23:55] <sine0> cage transform tool crashes every time. found the forum posts, im not alone.
[23:56] <sine0> http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=136484.0
[23:57] <Ben64> sine0: are you using pclinuxos?
[23:59] <sine0> no


[20:26] <jrwren> this is really cool: https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2019-145-distributing-freedesktop-sdk-applications-to-flatpak-snapd-and-docker#t=0