[04:13] <Len-1304> Fresh install- no problem with arandr
[04:13] <Len-1304> I will have to wait till the updates after install have finished installing though to be sure :)
[04:21] <Len-1304> I know I had tested arandr since beta1, but was not sure about beta 2.
[04:33] <Len-1304> we do have two menu items for "Online Accounts" one above the other :P (in settings)
[04:35] <Len-1304> qjackctl is in english for me. I do get "Warning: no translation found for 'en_CA' locale: /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_en_CA.qm
[04:35] <Len-1304> Warning: no translation found for 'en_CA' locale: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_CA.qm"
[04:36] <Len-1304> I am not sure where the en_CA came from. All of the screens on the install and at boot showed "English" or en_US.
[04:37] <Len-1304> en_CA would be correct based on my location as set in the timezone page, but that should be separate.
[04:38] <Len-1304> Also, I can find no way of changing language.
[04:40] <Len-1304> reboot
[05:16] <Len-nb> zequence, we need to find out how language is set on install
[13:15] <smartboyhw> astraljava, speaking of your G+ post I rather want a window alongside my emails instead of a new, standlone mail-composing window:)
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Ooh here's len-dt :)
[13:54] <len-dt> Good morning smartboyhw ... good night... just logged in to get some tunes..
[13:54] <smartboyhw> len-dt, :O
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Good night on your side already!?
[14:02]  * smartboyhw wonders why a Fuduntu person has run into here:P
[14:03] <DarkEra> oh, i'm just a mod there but thinking about stepping down from that project soon
[14:03] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :O
[14:12] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, you actually use Ubuntu Studio?
[14:13] <DarkEra> i installed the beta 2 yesterday so
[14:13] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, \o/
[14:13] <DarkEra> another thing i planned is to install 12.04 LTS on another partition
[14:14] <DarkEra> you think i fill out bug reports for fun on launchpad? xD
[14:16] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, XD sure:)
[15:07] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Oh you mean like creating some space aside the list of message? Like panes in an email client? Yeah, that would be optimal. Won't hold my breath, though.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> astraljava, oh.
[15:09] <astraljava> But it should totally be possible, and with enough developer interest, doable, especially now that screens with considerably larger information-base (Full-HD or bigger) are becoming a standard.
[15:10] <smartboyhw> astraljava, :)
[15:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, got any interest in downloading and installing http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ubuntustudio/releases/gutsy/release/ubuntustudio-7.10-alternate-amd64.iso ? (LOL)
[15:26] <DarkEra> hmmm... i still might have that one and even 7.04 iirc somewhere
[15:27] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :O
[15:27]  * smartboyhw is TOTALLY surprised:P
[15:27] <DarkEra> i started in the beginning of 2007 with Linux :)
[15:28] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :)
[15:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, interestingly: All Ubuntu Studio images at that time are alternates:)
[15:28] <DarkEra> i know my way around but still am a kind of a basic user
[15:28] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :)
[15:29] <smartboyhw> And we have Source DVDs!?!?!
[15:29]  * smartboyhw drops jaw
[16:31] <ttoine> zequence, madeinkobaia: http://ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.fr/
[16:31] <ttoine> hehe
[16:31] <ttoine> don't be afraid by the look of the mug
[16:31] <ttoine> it is a trial
[16:31] <smartboyhw> ttoine: \o/
[16:32] <ttoine> but now, you know it is possible to create branded stuff for our users.
[16:32] <smartboyhw> ttoine: Eh it says the shop hasn't been activated
[16:33] <smartboyhw> ttoine: I just see no mug.
[16:35] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : cool to have created it ! No mug by my side too
[16:37] <ttoine> ah yes
[16:37] <ttoine> it is not yet activated
[16:38] <ttoine> as I am logged I can see it
[16:39] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, so now, I am waiting for the artwork ;-)
[16:41] <smartboyhw> ttoine: Er give us a sneek peek:P
[16:41] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : :P
[16:47] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : Do they give pre-made models as I told you ? An example of what I am talkin' here : http://fav.me/d5658dv
[16:50] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, I see your artwork, but why do you say it is premage ?
[16:50] <ttoine> premade ?
[16:56] <madeinkobaia> In fact I don't know how they work, (I never work with spreadshirt), some printers company ask to have 1) a realistic draw of the t-shirt (like on the preview on the link) some others 2) just ask the colors, logos, pictures and a description. If its the 1) sometimes they gives a pre-made draw of the t-shirt (or mug or what you want) and you just have to complete it. Its more quick and simple in that case.
[17:03] <TheBingsta> love this operating system
[17:03] <TheBingsta> just 1 quick question, how do you setup Dual Screen?
[17:20] <ttoine> TheBingsta, here about devel.
[17:21] <ttoine> however, can you tell us what is your graphic card ?
[17:21] <TheBingsta> i do not remember.
[17:23] <ornj> That helps
[17:23] <TheBingsta> is there a way of finding out in ubuntu?
[17:23] <DarkEra> what version of Ubuntu Studio is it anyway?
[17:24] <DarkEra> TheBingsta, ^
[17:24] <TheBingsta> the latest version at the top of http://ubuntustudio.com/download
[17:25] <DarkEra> ah, 12.10
[17:25] <TheBingsta> yep
[17:25] <DarkEra> you could try setting up the dual monitors with Arandr
[17:26] <DarkEra> that's one option
[17:26] <TheBingsta> arandr? download from software centre?
[17:27] <DarkEra> it's already installed iirc and can be found under Settings
[17:27] <DarkEra> in the menu that is
[17:29] <DarkEra> i'll be back in a few, having diner. I would consider though to take your question towards #ubuntustudio for further support
[17:30] <TheBingsta> cheers
[17:44] <madeinkobaia> Bye all, see you tomorrow :)
[17:46] <ornj> I notice some strings remain untranslated in the Xfce menu... Would love to know how I can help with the Spanish-language localization...
[18:50] <zequence> Seems like I missed everybody
[18:50] <zequence> I did get scared looking at the logo on the coffee mug, until I read the sentence, don't be scared - it's just a trial
[18:52] <TheBingsta> DarkEra, thanks, and also i would say thank you to Lump for introducing me to Ubuntu Studio
[18:53] <DarkEra> TheBingsta, you're welcome and i hope it worked with Arandr
[18:53] <DarkEra> hi zequence
[18:53] <TheBingsta> it has :P
[18:54] <TheBingsta> also.. another question.. how to i get tsclient and rdesktop?
[18:54] <DarkEra> ok cool, did you save the configuration so you can load it the next time?
[18:54] <TheBingsta> yes i did thanks
[18:54] <DarkEra> thumbs up ;)
[18:55] <TheBingsta> DarkEra, what ubuntu version is it using?
[18:55] <DarkEra> what you mean?
[18:56] <DarkEra> sorry, i'm a bit distracted at the moment, kids running around here
[18:56] <TheBingsta> because i want to use terminal services on my Windows Server.
[18:56] <DarkEra> well, i don't know to be honest because i came back to ubuntu studio since yesterday after a very long time
[18:57] <TheBingsta> oh ok
[18:57] <zequence> DarkEra: Hello
[18:57] <DarkEra> so i need to get back into things again, bit rusty at the moment
[19:26] <holstein> !audio
[21:15] <holstein> mabye i should be more about keeping fisher using ubuntustudio, but it seems like xubuntu is a better fit
[22:05] <Len-nb> holstein, idjc uses jack :)
[22:06] <holstein> i like it too.. seems handy
[22:06] <Len-nb> It is set up for either streaming or recording or both.
[22:07] <holstein> i think that could be an answer for someone ready to make it happen
[22:07] <Len-nb> However, I think Fisher would find it complicated at this point. from what I have seen
[22:07] <holstein> yup
[22:08] <holstein> overkill arguably for his needs,.. but way over his head
[22:08] <holstein> i was thinking he/she was about to get frustrated anyways
[22:19] <zequence> When he started out, he failed to mention why he was using jack, with Audacity
[22:25] <Len-nb> zequence, using audacity for streaming?
[22:25] <zequence> Len-nb: tbh, I'm not sure what he was doing, technically
[22:25] <Len-nb> Audacious even makes more sense.
[22:28] <Len-nb> zequence, I can't reproduce the arandr bug on my machine (fresh install)
[22:28] <DarkEra> the one i reported?
[22:29] <Len-nb> zequence, There is a language problem though. The install doesn't seem to give the user a way to set language.
[22:29] <Len-nb> Bug 1167553
[22:30] <Len-nb> ubiquity seems to use a language that goes with the users location.
[22:31] <DarkEra> yep that's the one i reported and running the 64bit beta 2
[22:31] <Len-nb> All of the language related settings I did were English or en_US, but I am set up en_CA anyway.
[22:32] <Len-nb> Two problems with that... one I did not ask for it, though at least my keyboard is set right, and there does not seem to be a place to change it after install.
[22:36] <Len-nb> Hmm, xubuntu has language support in settings.
[22:37]  * Len-nb needs to reboot his desktop to look at 13.04
[22:39] <DarkEra> language support is also in settings on ubuntu studio 13.04. When i looked at Regional Formats it was set to German
[22:39] <Len-nb> xubuntu uses gnome-language selector
[22:45] <len-dt> 12.04 has the settings for language.
[22:52] <len-1304> Ok, Language support is there just not in the settings manager. That will get fixed next cycle along with the rest of the settings menu stuff.
[22:54] <zequence> Len-nb: Is this something that also happens on Xubuntu?
[22:55] <len-1304> zequence, I need to do another install and make sure that ubiquity really doesn't let you know it is selecting the language.
[22:55] <len-1304>  I think my xubuntu is CA as well.
[22:56] <Len-nb> Ya it is.
[22:56] <Len-nb> I don't remember selecting en-CA on any of my installs.
[22:56] <Len-nb> Just KB stuff which is en_US
[22:58] <Len-nb> (I do have an en-CA keyboard and it is different than the US one, but I am not using it just now)
[23:06] <len-1304> zequence, the reason we have two Online Accounts menu items is because one is the app and the other is the same app inside of gnome-control-center
[23:15] <len-1304> The two desktop files in question are: credentials-preferences.desktop  gnome-credentials-panel.desktop
[23:16] <len-1304> The second one has an extra category: X-GNOME-Settings-Panel we should be able to exclude that.


[18:22] <Epx998> d-i reporting bad archive mirror at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/cosmic - that the correct mirror url?
[18:24] <nacc> Epx998: where are you specifying it, exactly?
[18:26] <Epx998> in a cobblerized environment, so technically its a kickstart config
[18:27] <nacc> Epx998: so the above URL is what you put in your cobbler config
[18:27] <nacc> ?
[18:27] <Epx998> I must have my URL incorrect, this environment has just about every distro/current in it
[18:27] <Epx998> nacc: yeah the one above and also the one at mirror.facebook since its pretty fast
[18:28] <Epx998> usually i sync locally, error so i started trying external mirrors
[18:29] <Epx998> let me check my kickstart to make sure i didnt derp something in the line
[18:29] <nacc> iirc, i don't think you put the dists/cosmic in the mirror url
[18:29] <nacc> do you ?
[18:31] <Epx998> for this lab, its how they setup all their redhat/fc/ub distros for provisioning
[18:31] <nacc> Epx998: it's been a while since i used cobbler, sorry
[18:31] <Epx998> 14 thru 18.04 is in the lab


[02:00] <deiter> Installed 19.04. Seems to work very well. LXQT is very nice.
[18:30] <lubucub> hi, I am lost, I never used this channel. Can youn help me to find a way how to put an LX-Terminal to the bottoom panel of Lubuntu 18.04?
[18:30] <lubucub> Thank you, lubucub
[18:30] <lynorian> lubucub: what do you mean in the bottom panel do you mean in the quick launch to easily launch it
[18:31] <lynorian> on 18.04 right click the quick launch area to add it there
[18:32] <lubucub> Ok, I have only one panel, at the bottom. To the left is the menu (when I click), then the file manager icon, then the web browser icon. I would like to a terminal icon, too. How?
[18:34] <lubucub> I have to add, I googled my fingers blood-dripping ;-) but I could not find a solution yet. I could do it with Lubuntu 19.04, but with 18.4 no way :-(
[18:34] <wxl> why not just use 19.04? :)
[18:35] <lubucub> Because it's LTS and lasts longer.
[18:35] <wxl> well
[18:35] <wxl> not really
[18:36] <wxl> once 2021 hits, we drop all support for it, while support for lxqt continues on
[18:36] <wxl> there will be an lts for lxqt in 2020
[18:36] <wxl> also, the upstream development of lxde is slow to the point of not existing
[18:36] <wxl> it's not a dead project, but it doesn't have much life
[18:36] <wxl> while lxqt is actively being developed constantly
[18:37] <wxl> so if you're looking for something to invest in that's going to be well supported for a long time, it's lxqt not lxde
[18:37] <lubucub> I will use LTS in 2020 for sure, but till then, I want some something steady
[18:37] <wxl> i don't know that i'd call it stead
[18:37] <wxl> y
[18:37] <wxl> for example, there's a bug with pcmanfm crashing randomly
[18:37] <wxl> it's been reported upstream but they haven't even responded to the bug
[18:38] <wxl> get that: a major component of their operating system is essentially non-functional..... and they don't even reply
[18:40] <lubucub> Well, to my modest needs, 18.04 is well suited compared to 19.04, and I do not want to install 19.10, but I get it: 18.04 has now means to add a humble little LX-Terminal to the panel, right?
[18:41] <lubucub> I mean "no" means!
[18:42] <wxl> oh i'm sure there's a way.. just got to remember what it is
[18:42] <wxl> it's not as intuitive as it is in lxqt
[18:42] <wxl> (as is the case with most things)
[18:42] <lynorian> this way is right click on the menu and select add to quick launch
[18:43] <lubucub> Unfortunately, I get only "add to desktop" and "properties"
[18:44] <wxl> yeah that's what i see, too
[18:44] <wxl> oh, it's a drag and drop thing
[18:44] <wxl> it's just a little sensitive getting it in the right spot
[18:46] <lubucub> I cannot drag and drop the LX-Terminbal, neither from the Desktop nor from the menu :-(
[18:46] <wxl> i just did it with the menu
[18:49] <lubucub> @<wxl> how did you do it?
[18:54] <lubucub> @<wxl> To be precise: Ican drag it onto the panel, but nothing happens. Though, very strangely, I get a message "there is already one file in this location". But I cannot see it!
[18:56] <lubucub> @<wxl> I got it :-) It was very tricky!  Sorry my only previous internet chat was in the early 80s.
[18:59] <wxl> lubucub: sorry i disappeared. glad you got it figured out :) p.s. i started chatting on the internet around the late 80s
[19:06] <lubucub> Since this worked so great, another question with Lubuntu 18.04: where/how to find the settings for Touchpad? Such as "Tap to click, on/off"
[19:06] <wxl> you can use synaptics for that
[19:06] <wxl> which is all command line
[19:07] <lubucub> I have a global solution from  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ 00-keyboard.conf, but in my multiuser  system I would like to have it locally, user-specific.
[19:08] <wxl> you can set it with synaptics in your local autostart
[19:08] <wxl> to be clear that's synaptic*s* not synaptic
[19:08] <wxl> why they chose that name so as to threaten ambiguity is beyond me
[19:10] <lubucub> Click to tap off, is ideal for my second user, but I would like to be able to toggle on/off as in Ubuntu or Debian settings. Possible with synaptic?
[19:10] <wxl> not without making a script
[19:10] <wxl> you could make a desktop file for it and throw it in ~/.local/share/applications (if i remember the location correctly) and it will show in the menu
[19:11] <lubucub> Wow, not my strength. Could you suggest a link to follow?
[19:11] <wxl> ok well it's not too hard
[19:11] <wxl> i can walk you through it
[19:12] <lubucub> So be it :-)
[19:12] <wxl> i just have to remember the synaptics setting
[19:13] <lubucub> It is not necessary today. Can I reach you tomorow, maybe about same time?
[19:14] <wxl> yeah i'll probably be here
[19:14] <wxl> you could also post a message to the mailing list
[19:14] <lubucub> I don't know how to do it!
[19:15] <wxl> send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:15] <wxl> describe your problem as you did here
[19:15] <wxl> i can tell you this: `synclient TapButton1=1` turns it on and `synclient TapButton1=0` turns it off
[19:18] <lubucub> I will try, but for now, have a good night (I am on CET).
[19:18] <lubucub> And thank you again


[00:44] <evils> so the 2 issues i'm currently having seem to come down to wifi's 4 way handshake failing sometimes and it then not trying again or restarting the setup
[00:44] <evils> and kfd kfd: Failed to resume IOMMU for device 1002:15d8
[00:53] <evils> will try adding "iommu=pt" to the kernel arguments, when i can reboot the machine
[06:11] <evils> did that, now getting 'kfd kfd: added device 1002:15d8', TBD if the screen going black issue stops occuring
[10:37] <aristAdmin> hello! I'm trying to test an openVPN deployment on 20.04, following the steps on the wiki https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openvpn The key-pair server generation command is identical to the server cert generation command. when i proceed to the latter, the system complains about overwriting onto an existing key. what are the appropriate
[10:37] <aristAdmin> commands?
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> good day to all
[16:21] <r3muxd> anyone know when 20.04 will pick up 3.36? 3.35.91 as-is is broken horribly
[16:22] <r3muxd> or if there's a PPA
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: works fine on my end
[16:22] <r3muxd> extensions are broken for me
[16:22] <r3muxd> (can't open any settings for extensions, extensions app goes in and out)
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: the extensions app is still being worked on
[16:23] <r3muxd> i'm OK with the extensions app being broken
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> i also still have issues with an extension since the app released
[16:23] <r3muxd> i just want to be able to open extension settings windows
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: 20.04 is still in development, that means, things can still break in this stage
[16:24] <r3muxd> i know
[16:24] <r3muxd> can i build 3.36 from source and checkinstall it?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: how about you just patient of the development of things a bit?
[16:25] <r3muxd> ok, thanks
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: or if you really want to help the community, feel free to file a bug
[16:25] <r3muxd> ok, my bad
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: but filing bugs with extensions enabled can also be tricky, as the devs can sometimes ask to disable them, to see if its a proper ubuntu bug
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: do you use gnome-tweaks?
[16:27] <r3muxd> i use it to toggle extensions on/off
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: well i tryed workspaces to dock extension from the repos, but since the extensions app came out, it doesnt work anymore
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: is that something similar to your problem.
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ?
[16:28] <r3muxd> yeah
[16:28] <r3muxd> i think i just found a solution
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> hey lordcirth
[16:29] <lordcirth> hi
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> r3muxd: feel free to feedback
[16:59] <r3muxd> i fixed it in a really hacky way
[17:00] <r3muxd> if you're also on amd64, run
[17:00] <r3muxd> sudo wget --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0" -O /usr/bin/gnome-shell-extension-prefs https://files.catbox.moe/pj63vq
[17:00] <r3muxd> probably don't run that because you have no reason to trust me, but i can confirm it works for me at least
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> we wont run that
[17:02] <r3muxd> otherwise, rebuild gnome-shell from the source package and change this._versionLabel.label = this.version; to this._versionLabel.label = this.version.toString(); in js/extensionPrefs/main.js
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> we wont do that neither
[17:03] <r3muxd> ok
[19:10] <mason> r3muxd: Sounds like a quick patch to submit in a bug.
[20:17] <r3muxd> mason: it's already fixed in 3.36, my fix just patches it temporarily
[20:18] <mason> r3muxd: Ah, maybe a bug asking for a version bump then. Now would be the time.
[20:18] <mason> Or a backport of the fix. Either way.
[20:18] <r3muxd> technically 3.36 is supposed to be packaged for the actual release
[20:18] <mason> r3muxd: The one certainty is that with no bug report, it'll take an excessive amount of luck for it to be fixed.
[20:18] <r3muxd> i'll try to file a bug regardless
[20:18] <mason> ty!


[00:41] <JontheEchidna> Hello, I just became a kubuntu member, I would like a cloak. ;)
[00:47] <vorian> https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman
[00:47] <vorian> ;-)
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. ;-)
[09:08]  * e-jat down down down
[12:30] <Pici> Does #ubuntu-br get enough abuse from unregistered users that it needs to be set +Rr ?  I've had issues trying to get people who understand little english to join that channel only to find that they aren't registered and then fumble through trying to walk them through those steps.
[12:46] <elky> Pici, they get alot of really nasty trolls, yes
[12:47] <elky> the ones that started joining #ubuntu to scream at pricechild. they were from there.
[12:47] <Pici> Ah.
[12:47] <Pici> Perhaps +f should be forwarded somewhere to tell them to register to join?
[12:54] <elky> that would probably be a good idea, if you can negotiate it with the channel ops
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> Hello, I got Kubuntu membership yesterday and I'd like to request a cloak. https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman
[22:33] <ompaul> PriceChild, nalioth ^^
[22:33] <nalioth> JontheEchidna: you'll need to wait for the Kubuntu team to add you there
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> add me where?
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> they added me to kubuntu-members 22 hours ago
[22:35]  * nalioth looks again
[22:35] <nalioth> sorry, i hate the new launchpad layout
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> The stats shouldn't be at the bottom :(
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> nalioth: Well, thanks :)


[06:42] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:54] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:59] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:08] <ricotz> hello oSoMoN duflu
[07:09] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[07:10] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[07:18] <didrocks> good morning
[07:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:23] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:27] <jibel> hi all
[07:32] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:33] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:35] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:42] <duflu> Hi didrocks and jibel
[07:42] <jibel> hi duflu didrocks
[07:50] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:03] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:08] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:09] <seb128> lut didrocks, hey duflu, how are you?
[08:10] <duflu> seb128, not bad, you?
[08:12] <jpnurmi> good morning
[08:21] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright thanks!
[08:21] <seb128> jpnurmi, hey!
[08:21] <didrocks> seb128: good too!
[08:22] <seb128> :)
[08:23] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi
[08:24] <jpnurmi> hey seb128 duflu didrocks
[08:25] <didrocks> hey jpnurmi
[08:49] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, good morning jpnurmi
[08:49] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[08:49] <jpnurmi> good morning oSoMoN
[08:50] <oSoMoN> oui, et toi?
[08:52] <seb128> nickel!
[12:06] <seb128> jbicha, hey, it seems you forgot to push your nautilus ubuntu/master changes for 42~beta?
[12:08] <seb128> jbicha, anyway I built from the tarball and the test issue is due to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/commit/6ff4762 or https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/commit/8c31d783
[12:08] <jbicha> seb128: I didn't start Ubuntu packaging for nautilus 42, just the Debian side
[12:09] <seb128> jbicha, I mean debian/master sorry
[12:10] <seb128> jbicha, thanks :)
[12:10] <jbicha> good morning :)
[12:10] <seb128> jbicha, anyway, starting manually the test it fails with G_DEBUG=fatal-warnings but works with --g-fatal-warning
[12:10] <jbicha> wow
[12:11] <seb128> so I think there is probably some other process involved and the env impact it and not the option or something
[12:11] <seb128> the warning are there in 41 already, they just don't make it abort for some reason
[12:12] <mdeslaur> seb128: is there a site with the cloud init preseeding info for the new desktop installer?
[12:13] <seb128> mdeslaur, no, that's not a topic we worked on yet
[12:14] <seb128> mdeslaur, https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/issues/613 , the description has some hints if you want to play with it
[12:14] <mdeslaur> seb128: is the support available in the installer itself?
[12:14] <mdeslaur> seb128: ah, thanks
[12:14] <seb128> mdeslaur, that's ^ basically
[12:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, autoinstall is behind a experimental flag atm because we didn't do the work to make the UI smart about what was provided, like we should skip the steps which aren't required
[12:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, but otherwise in the backend it's subiquity so anything working for the server install should be working in the desktop installer at the end
[12:16] <mdeslaur> seb128: but it does work, or not? ie: can I start using it?
[12:16] <seb128> mdeslaur, I haven't tried myself, the report I mentioned suggests we should at least add some packages to the image, so probably not in the current state
[12:17] <seb128> mdeslaur, also we postponed the new installer by default to post LTS
[12:17] <mdeslaur> oh! ok, that solves my issue then
[12:18] <mdeslaur> I was afraid the LTS was coming out with the new installer but with broken cloud-init preseeding support
[12:18] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks!
[12:18] <seb128> mdeslaur, np!
[14:02] <jbicha> seb128: do you want to try removing gjs from i386 instead?
[14:02] <seb128> jbicha, there is no rdepends?
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, are we trying to solve a real issue at this point?
[14:03] <jbicha> I don't know how to check that thoroughly
[14:03] <jbicha> gjs won't migrate to jammy because it doesn't build on i386 (like it used to) because mozjs91 wasn't marked to be built on i386
[14:07] <seb128> is that the only migration blocker at this point? and do we want it to migrate before the shell stack is uploaded?
[14:08] <seb128> I would think having it blocked at this point is a feature :)
[14:08] <jbicha> I'm running jammy's gnome-shell 42 with the new gjs now and it seems ok
[14:09] <jbicha> mozjs91 needs a bug subscriber & it'll need promotion to main
[14:09] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ ack?
[14:09] <jbicha> sorry gnome-shell 41 with new gjs
[14:09] <seb128> let's wait for Marco, I'm unsure we should mix series in release pocket
[14:09] <Trevinho> seb128: it's fine to migrate, but..
[14:09] <seb128> I would personally wait for the shell update to unblock it
[14:10] <Trevinho> I think the dock *may* have an issue (noticed later), but I think it's only triggered by newest shell code
[14:11] <Trevinho> it's not a big deal though, we can promote gjs as it is... it's not breaking any previous feature, unless somehting else needs further code
[14:11] <Trevinho> like new syntax supported by mozjs91
[14:12] <Trevinho> seb128: we need to migrate adw to main as well though... Shell depends on it now (extensions side)
[14:12] <Trevinho> and again we can't just ignore it as otherwise most of 3rd party extensions that will now use it in preferences won't work
[14:13] <jbicha> newest adwaita is blocked on the gtk4/armhf autopkgtest issue
[14:24] <seb128> Trevinho, libadwaita you mean?
[14:24] <Trevinho> yes
[14:24] <Trevinho> adw is the gir name :-D
[14:24] <seb128> we need a MIR
[14:25] <seb128> I will handle it, don't worry about that to upload to proposed
[14:25] <Trevinho> yeah.... can you handle the paperwork? :P
[14:25] <seb128> sure
[14:25] <Trevinho> 😘
[14:26] <seb128> 😊
[14:30] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, but that's not in the archive nor in debian yet?
[14:31] <jbicha> libadwaita-1
[14:31] <seb128> jbicha, ah, thanks ... why the -1?
[14:32] <jbicha> it matches the library series but I didn't package it either 😉
[14:32] <seb128> ack
[14:33] <jbicha> matches libhandy-1 (there was an older libhandy)
[14:47] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm not uploading newer libfprint either as libusb is still broken, causing tests failures... But I think that's not a problem post ff (it's a point release)
[14:52] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm not uploading newer libfprint either as libusb is still broken, causing tests failures... But I think that's not a problem post ff (it's a point release)
[14:52] <seb128> Trevinho, right
[16:33] <sil2100> Hello desktoppers! Does anyone have any 20.04 certified hardware to test the 20.04.4 images on it?
[16:34] <sil2100> I tested the nvidia bits on my testing Dell, but it's only 18.04 certified so I don't get any OEM packages - I'd be interested to see if certified hardware still works as expected
[16:35] <oSoMoN> sorry, I can't help there
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[00:01] <psusi> cjwatson, I thought the boot catalog was entirely for el torito bios booting, and that efi systems would boot removable media ( be it cdrom or otherwise ) if they found the EFI directory with the boot loader in it?
[00:01] <cjwatson> I don't really have much more to say than is in my post there
[00:02] <cjwatson> you can go and read the efi spec on el torito handling
[00:02] <cjwatson> it's pretty explicit
[00:05] <directhex> i suspect reading mjg59's posts on efi booting would be more enlightening
[00:05] <directhex> and by "englightening" i mean "should make you want to vomit, which is the correct reaction"
[00:05] <psusi> weird... seems silly to use el torito on cdroms when efi already has a perfectly good way of accomplishing the same goals for other media
[00:05] <Daviey> Hey, anyone fancy doing a anacron merge review for me please?
[00:05] <cjwatson> for the specific question psusi asked, the uefi spec alone is enlightening
[00:06] <psusi> directhex, which posts?
[00:07] <directhex> anything with "EFI" in it on http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/, pretty much
[00:10] <Daviey> slangasek: Fancy reviewing my pending anacron merge (you are TIL). debian -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/0noa/ & ubuntu -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/7bmF/ .. thanks :)
[00:14] <Daviey> (The query is mostly about maintaining the delta of using start vs invoke-rc.d, which i'm not entirely sure why we are doing.)
[00:17] <smallfoot-> 12.10 will merge /usr ?
[00:24] <smallfoot-> oh there is a blueprint for it
[00:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: sure - I just find that calling the arguments "source" and "destination" is needlessly confusing in the case of links
[00:57] <slangasek> Daviey: ummm.  I'm confused, didn't I already merge anacron?
[00:57] <slangasek> Daviey: if not, I certainly have a merge staged here
[00:57] <slangasek> Daviey: do you mind if I just upload this one rather than reviewing yours? :)
[00:58] <slangasek> (and apols for not uploading it before you did duplicate work on it)
[00:58] <Daviey> slangasek: ok, i'll happily drop mine :).. But i am interested, why does the original ubuntu delta use start rather thank invoke-rc.d?
[00:58] <slangasek> Daviey: because someone was misguided when they wrote that bit :)
[00:58] <Daviey> slangasek: nah, A) i didn't ask before touching it.. B) It was trivial.
[00:59] <Daviey> slangasek: That makes sense :)..
[00:59] <slangasek> so I happen to have kept the delta for using 'start' because it's a marginal performance improvement and also less noisy than calling invoke-rc.d
[01:00] <Daviey> ok.
[01:00] <Daviey> anyway, before for me.. Have a good weekend campers. o/
[01:00] <slangasek> but I've pushed the upstart job to the Debian BTS; if that lands I'd be inclined to drop these bits to get us back in sync
[01:00] <Daviey> s/before/bed
[01:00] <Daviey> slangasek: super!
[01:32] <psusi> hrm... mjg says he puts a GPT on along with an MBR that has multiple partitions covering various parts of the disk so that EFI systems that insist on having GPT will be happy, but last I heard, EFI also expressly requires the MBR to only contain the 0xee protective partition or the gpt is considered invalid
[01:33] <psusi> iirc, a patch went into parted recently to enforce that provision... no ee partition in the mbr, and the gpt is ignored
[01:35] <cjwatson> Apple have a "special" interpretation of EFI
[01:36] <cjwatson> there's a rant by mjg59 on the subject in one of Ubuntu's patches to parted
[01:36] <cjwatson> but briefly: "that would be lovely but Apple don't like to make things that simple"
[02:20] <psusi> I just finished reading mjg's rant about why tvs suck, and nearly pissed myself when I got to the end: "It's all awful.  I recommend you drink until everything's already blurry and then none of this will matter."
[02:23] <lazik> psusi : check out refit if you don't know, it's a hybrid MBR/GPT. I use it to triple boot my macbook
[02:24] <cjwatson> refit isn't a hybrid MBR/GPT - MBR and GPT are partition table formats, not pieces of software
[02:25] <lazik> ... is a software that creates MBR and GPT and can read both
[02:28] <psusi> hrm... fedora is now gpt by default?  interesting...
[02:29] <cjwatson> so's Ubuntu on big enough disks
[02:29] <lazik> grub2 with efi is being rolled out on many distributions, like ubuntu 12.04+
[02:35] <psusi> ohh... ubiquity in precise now lets you install grub to a partition
[02:35] <psusi> I thought we weren't supporting that?
[02:41] <cjwatson> under protest
[02:41] <cjwatson> also only to a small selection of partitions
[02:44] <psusi> hehe
[02:49] <slangasek> mbiebl: did the 'timeout' option work out for you with post-lucid?
[02:51] <mbiebl> slangasek: didn't get around to test it yet
[02:51] <slangasek> ok
[08:04] <arulmozhi> how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required
[08:06] <arulmozhi> how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required
[11:48] <mr_pouit> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[11:48] <mr_pouit> the chroot on meissa (arm panda) looks broken
[13:01] <chrisccoulson> hi, is anyone able to bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa/+build/3502198 please? :)
[13:04] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: done
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, thanks!
[13:41] <jtaylor> why is the as-needed linker flag not in the 12.04 release notes? is one supposed to read 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 and 12.04 release notes before upgrading?
[13:41] <jtaylor> from 10.04
[14:03] <cjwatson> jtaylor: hm, I thought it was supposed to have been - I'm sure we talked about it
[14:04] <cjwatson> (can't look properly now though)
[14:05] <jtaylor> cjwatson: its not in the gnu toolchain part, I think that is important enough to be mentioned
[14:06] <jtaylor> just closed two as-needed bugs from 10.04 upgraders
[14:08] <vibhav> can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/932439 be nominated for oneiric?
[14:28] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[14:30] <vibhav> python-django has a ubuntu delta and the control file mentions the svn path to be the one from Debian, should I change it to the bzr vcs?
[14:30] <cousin_luigi> I'm not sure whether this has been already discussed or not, but why isn't burg an option? Would it be problematic to add support for it in the kernel postinst/postrm scripts?
[14:31] <vibhav> cousin_luigi: burg an option?
[14:31] <vibhav> Do you mean installing it by default?
[14:32] <cousin_luigi> vibhav: making it optional as alternative to grub
[14:35] <cjwatson> burg is an unmaintained hostile fork of grub
[14:35] <cjwatson> I do not intend to make any effort to support it; I'd rather continue to improve grub itself
[14:35] <vibhav> You cannot mkrescue, drivemap.mod is missing (you cannot chainload to other disks)
[14:35] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: hostile?
[14:35] <cjwatson> it was forked by a developer who couldn't get on with the rest of the grub community
[14:35] <vibhav> Burg is a single person maintainer and while his efforts should be commended
[14:36] <cjwatson> it hasn't had any commits at all since October 2010
[14:36] <cousin_luigi> oh
[14:36] <vibhav> Though I love it
[14:36] <cjwatson> many of the theming work is now in grub2 anyway in other forms
[14:36] <cjwatson> just needs some polish and presentation
[14:36] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: I see.
[14:38] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: By the way, aren't forks usually the result of a battle of egos?;)
[14:39] <cjwatson> often, yes
[14:39] <cjwatson> in this case, nobody else joined in ...
[14:39] <cjwatson> (afaict)
[14:40] <vibhav> I dont agree
[14:40] <vibhav> Some people make forks because their patches are not expected
[14:42] <cousin_luigi> Well, in the spirit of freedom one can fork to prove their point. Granted, it tends to disperse talents.
[14:42] <vibhav> yeah
[14:46] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[14:54] <arulmozhi> again. anybody???  how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required
[18:04] <geser> infinity: is the armel quantal buildd chroot currently broken?
[18:06] <mr_pouit> geser: there's one broken it seems
[18:07] <mr_pouit> https://launchpad.net/builders/meissa/+history
[18:08] <geser> looks like only meissa is affected as all the CHROOTFAIL I checked are from it
[18:10] <slangasek> ummmm.  Why is rsyslog writing to /var/log/auth.log.1 instead of to /var/log/auth.log?
[18:13] <slangasek> ah, I blame a chroot
[18:35] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[18:45] <mlankhor1t> hey
[20:12] <rzr> hi i am looking for some entry point to "u for android" project
[20:27] <infinity> geser: Thanks for the heads-up.  Tidied up the fallout.
[23:31] <Laney> Looks like rhythmbox can be given back.
[23:39] <bryceh> Laney, heya
[23:40] <bryceh> Laney, I think the latest upload failed to build due to I'm guessing the texlive confusion
[23:40] <Laney> hey bryceh, yeah - just looked like some transient shuffling
[23:42]  * bryceh visualizes a bum lurching through the archive knocking packages over


[08:42] <Claudio> Hello :)
[08:42] <Claudio> I'have ubuntu-mate on my rasp pi3
[08:42] <Claudio> I need a similar program as Team Speak ù
[08:42] <Claudio> (Becouse Team Speak i can't install)
[08:42] <Claudio> Who know one?
[08:45] <alkisg> Claudio: maybe https://ring.cx/
[08:46] <Claudio> alkisg: hello. I can connect on TS server with this ring?
[08:46] <alkisg> I don't know, I haven't used it
[08:46] <alkisg> Try it, also some software here: https://alternativeto.net/software/teamspeak/
[10:42] <sixwheeledbeast> Claudio: You need Teamspeak client to connect to a TS server. What is it for?
[11:00] <Claudio> sixwheeledbeast: yes i need. But on ARM i can't install it.
[11:01] <Claudio> sixwheeledbeast: i can use only on x86 or x64 bit
[11:02] <sixwheeledbeast> Do you have to connect to a TS server? Do you have control over the server, that's why I ask what is it for?
[11:03] <Claudio> sixwheeledbeast: i need to connect only to the server.
[11:03] <Claudio> sixwheeledbeast: i need if when i'm around the city :)
[11:06] <sixwheeledbeast> Well in that case I can only imagine using qemu or the like
[11:06] <sixwheeledbeast> I have no guide
[11:08] <Claudio> sixwheeledbeast: can you help me with qemu ??
[11:08] <Claudio> becouse i don't know how use it
[11:08] <sixwheeledbeast> This seems to be what I was thinking but I haven't done that before:- https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=29806
[11:09] <sixwheeledbeast> If you have control of the server you could use change the server to mumble or ring then there's discord.
[11:14] <alkisg> qemu under raspberry? that would be like a 486 or lower... :D
[11:14] <Claudio> sixwheeledbeast: the resource of pi3 its so low.
[11:15] <Claudio> Its incredible.. i can't use Team Speak on a pi3
[11:15] <alkisg> pi3's aren't desktop pcs
[11:15] <alkisg> They're are special devices for programming, print servers, weather stations etc
[11:15] <alkisg> So of course you won't be able to run all desktop apps...
[12:35] <derpaet> hi
[13:56] <q_> hello
[15:32] <Claudio> alkisg: its correct... but its not possible don't use this simple app
[16:27] <alkisg> Claudio: you can request an arm port to the teamspeaker developers, if you want, but I don't think it's a mate issue...
[16:50] <dennis_> Hi all
[16:53] <alkisg> Hello


[09:03] <ev> persia: thanks for the heads up, I'll keep an eye on that thread
[09:05] <ev> michaelforrest: do you have a few minutes today to clarify exactly what you need in terms of the size of the installer window in Lucid?  I'm in the office, for what it's worth.
[09:05] <ev> I've managed to shrink the window down quite a bit, but there are a few caveats
[09:06] <michaelforrest> ev: absolutely
[09:06] <michaelforrest> come and find me whenever
[09:07] <ev> good deal
[09:09] <persia> ev: You might just want to catch Anzenketh in #ubuntu-bugs to plan the best strategy, depending.  Threads have a way of solidifying :)
[09:30] <ev> persia: good call :)
[09:31] <ev> persia: while I have you here, what's the smallest resolution that you guys need ubiquity to work on?
[09:32] <persia> Um, hrm.
[09:32] <persia> I don't have a good answer.
[09:32] <persia> I'd personally like 640x480, but that's not realistic.
[09:33] <persia> There are still some 800x480 devices being manufactured, and I'd say that's a more reasonable absolute smallest.
[09:34] <persia> But there's 4.8" 1024x600 screens available, so I'd like to hope that smaller stuff becomes less common, or more specialised.
[09:35] <persia> To sum up:
[09:35] <persia> If you'd like to enable running ubiquity on the N900 (or similar devices), we need 800x480.
[09:35] <ev> okay, big thanks for clearing that up
[09:36] <persia> If you want to run on the new generation of handhelds, 1024x600 is probably sufficiently low res.
[09:36] <persia> (unless manufacturers go for "cheap" over "useful" again)
[09:40] <ev> michaelforrest: is now a good time to swing by?
[09:57] <michaelforrest> ev sure
[10:00] <ev> ncdjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjkkkjkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
[10:00] <ev> whhops
[10:00] <ev> whoops*
[10:30] <ev> cjwatson: given that we're going with the "boot straight into ubiquity and let it deal with creating a try/install page" for lucid+1, is the greeter stuff (specifically the design and artwork for it) still a priority for you?
[10:30] <cjwatson> no
[10:30] <ev> it came up in discussion with michaelforrest
[10:30] <ev> okay cool
[10:30] <cjwatson> I actually want to do this for lucid if possible
[10:30] <cjwatson> and am still tracking it in the release meetings and such
[10:30] <cjwatson> if nothing else because Mark announced it for lucid :P
[10:31] <michaelforrest> cjwatson: oh god. what ?
[10:31] <cjwatson> I have been enormously clear about this in e-mail
[10:31] <cjwatson> I cannot believe that it is a surprise
[10:32] <cjwatson> I also don't think it matters to you guys since we have the bits we need to do it now :)
[10:32] <michaelforrest> I didn't know Mark had announced something
[10:33] <michaelforrest> I thought it was still a 'nice-to-have'
[10:33] <cjwatson> at the platform briefing at UDS
[10:33] <cjwatson> it was practically the very first thing in his presentation
[10:33] <cjwatson> there's a reason this spec is Essential ...
[10:34] <cjwatson> and why I've been desperately trying to get styling information from people for months
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3853 ubiquity/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * The timezone is perfectly usable at half its width and height, so
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  only request that. This also means we're not trying to guess how
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  much space we can reasonably take up with the map, but rather
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  letting the rest of the interface determine the width and height of
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  the installer window.
[11:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * If the screen resolution is particularly low (< 600px height), allow
[11:28] <persia> \o/
[11:31] <ev> still more work to do there on the partitioner so it works reasonably well at 640x480
[11:32] <persia> Is it a horizontal issue, or a vertical issue?
[11:32] <ev> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/try_or_install2.png <- about to implement that for lucid, per michaelforrest's request, and with the workflow we've discussed.  Any massive objections? :)
[11:32] <ev> persia: vertical
[11:32]  * ev shakes his fist at the segmentedbars
[11:33] <ev> fixable though
[11:35] <cjwatson> ev: gosh, you beat me to it, I thought I was going to end up doing that :)
[11:36] <cjwatson> ev: slight UI glitch in the "release notes" link, but overall looks fine to me - can we make sure that this workflow only appears when you're booting with maybe-ubiquity (or some similar switch) though?
[11:37] <cjwatson> it would be weird for it to appear if (for example) you use the icon on the live CD desktop
[11:38] <ev> cjwatson: indeed, that's the plan :)
[11:40] <ev> just awaiting sign off from boss^3
[11:40] <ogra> hugo ? :)
[12:40] <ogra> hmm, oem-config still doesnt remove itself on my rootstock install
[12:42] <ogra> seems it exits with:
[12:42] <ogra> debconf (developer): <-- PROGRESS INFO ubiquity/install/hardware
[12:42] <ogra> Can't call method "info" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd.pm line 142, <GEN0> line 315.
[12:43] <persia> Does ubiquity/install/hardware appear in your debconf db?
[12:50] <ogra> persia, i dont touch the debconf db at all
[12:50] <ogra> mainly what i do is run debootstrap and install oem-config in that
[12:50] <persia> Understood.  And it ought be there if ubiquity is installed.  I'm just curious if it's present in your local environment when you encounter the issue.
[12:50] <ogra> touch /var/lib/oem-config/run and that it
[12:50] <ogra> *thats
[12:56] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3854 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py):
[12:56] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Fix choose_partition thawing to handle free space at the end of
[12:56] <CIA-3> ubiquity: update_partitions (LP: #527848).
[12:58] <ogra> well, i see it in the ubiquity template file
[12:59] <ogra> so i would assume its there
[13:01]  * persia grabs trunk ubiquity thinking that this may solve the partman-uboot bug that has been confusing for the past few days
[13:01] <ogra> root@osiris:/# echo get ubiquity/install/hardware | debconf-communicate
[13:01] <ogra> 0
[13:01] <persia> Can you call INFO on it?
[13:02] <ogra> root@osiris:/# echo info ubiquity/install/hardware | debconf-communicate
[13:02] <ogra> 0
[13:03] <persia> Hrm.  Nothing else comes to mind offhand.  Logs might help (or maybe someone who knows more has an idea).
[13:04] <ogra> well, the above is all thet is in the logs
[13:04] <ogra> *that
[13:04] <ogra> the rest looks normal
[13:06] <ogra> i wonder if its caused by hw-detect
[13:07] <cjwatson> err - INFO != PROGRESS INFO
[13:07] <cjwatson> (and you won't be able to call PROGRESS INFO on its own via d-c anyway ...)
[13:08] <cjwatson> persia: what's up with partman-uboot?
[13:08] <ogra> hmm, i see in syslog that it tries to install usbutils
[13:08] <ogra> which it cant because there is no network setup
[13:08] <cjwatson> this all sounds pretty unrelated
[13:09] <cjwatson> ogra: can I see the debug log?
[13:09] <ogra> yeah, i just noticed it has the same timestamp ...
[13:09] <ogra> yup, one sec
[13:09] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/oem-config.log
[13:09] <persia> cjwatson: It keeps selecting "dummy__________dummy" as the preferred partition, causing error 141 with choose_partition//do_option
[13:09] <michaelforrest> ev - we are go on the installer first screen - mark just wants to make the "If you have internet access…" bit only show if there's network. Reworded as "You may wish to…".
[13:10] <cjwatson> persia: could I see the full logs, please?
[13:10] <persia> cjwatson: So I'm guessing that it was a space (which may be why I had trouble tracking), and want to test your most recent fix.
[13:10] <ogra> and http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/syslog
[13:10] <cjwatson> persia: it's certainly in the category that *might* have been fixed, but I could tell you for sure given a debug log
[13:11] <cjwatson> ogra: ok, so the problem is that nested progress bars don't work outside debconffilter
[13:12] <persia> cjwatson: I'd have to construct one (rebooted over the weekend, and scrapped the virtual machine).  Do you especially want it, or do you see a reason I shouldn't pull trunk to keep debugging?
[13:12] <ogra> wow
[13:12] <cjwatson> it has nothing to do with that particular template name
[13:12] <ogra> what does indicate that ?
[13:12] <cjwatson> persia: if you don't have it conveniently to hand, you might as well use trunk, sure
[13:12]  * persia would otherwise merge patches to ubiquity, and start installs again tomorrow.
[13:12] <cjwatson> ogra: PROGRESS STOP followed by PROGRESS <anything> failing
[13:12] <ogra> ah
[13:13] <cjwatson> ogra: this is complicated to fix - could you file a bug, please?
[13:13] <ogra> yep, do you want both logs ?
[13:13] <cjwatson> sure
[13:13] <ogra> ok
[13:18] <ogra> bug 530027
[13:20] <ev> michaelforrest: AWESOME
[13:20] <ev> working on it now
[13:36] <ev> michaelforrest: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/thinner-partition-bars.png - does that look okay?
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:06 <cjwatson> didrocks: the point of casper's ubiquity-hooks is specifically to reproduce things that are done by casper at live CD boot time, and need to be repeated after installation
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:08 <cjwatson> didrocks: accessibility is there because casper does accessibility stuff at boot time
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:07 <cjwatson> it isn't meant to be a grab-bag of post-install scripts
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:08 <didrocks> cjwatson: there is already some hooks like that like accessibility, etc. ev told me to put the first version there (which works in live mode)
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:08 <cjwatson> didrocks: I don't think things should go in casper's ubiquity-hooks unless they're also done at boot time in casper
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:09 <cjwatson> otherwise the result is that we end up with code spread around between casper and ubiquity when it doesn't need to be
[14:10] <cjwatson> 14:09 <cjwatson> you could install a ubiquity-hooks file in gnome-desktop if you want, but it might be better to just have it in ubiquity
[14:10] <cjwatson> (from #ubuntu-devel)
[14:25] <ev> ugh, I didn't tell him to put it in casper
[14:25] <ev> I told him to look at the hooks in casper as examples
[14:33] <cjwatson> heh, ok
[14:34] <cjwatson> I said I was OK with either ubiquity or a hook in gnome-desktop
[14:34] <cjwatson> if you have a strong preference for the latter, you should join #u-d and say :)
[15:01] <ev> nope, I just agree that casper is the wrong place
[16:29] <superm1> ev, michaelforrest  re http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/try_or_install2.png, should you really still be referring to it as from CD as a lot of people install from USB media these days instead?
[16:31] <michaelforrest> I was hoping you'd make that dynamic actually ev
[16:31] <michaelforrest> not that I said that!
[16:37] <ev> will do
[17:20] <ev> michaelforrest: just to clarify, you want the labels beneath the bars in the partitioner left-aligned rather than their present center-alignment, correct?
[17:27] <michaelforrest> hm
[17:28] <michaelforrest> can you show me?
[17:28] <michaelforrest> ev^
[17:29] <ev> yup, heading over
[17:30] <CIA-3> netcfg: cjwatson * r640 ubuntu/debian/changelog: Rebuild against libiw30.
[17:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3855 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/segmented_bar.py):
[17:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Left-align the labels on the segmented_bars.
[17:40] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Make the segmented_bars narrower.
[20:10] <cr3> is it just me or does the casper.log generated on lucid no longer seem to contain: Found label '...' containing the disk image information?
[20:11] <cr3> I'm quite sure I recall that information existing before
[20:12] <cr3> there's now /var/log/installer/media-info though
[21:41] <CIA-3> netcfg: cjwatson * r641 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.51ubuntu2
[21:48] <ev> hrm, are "USB" and "CD" universally accepted acronyms, or should they be translated to something?  Google is entirely unhelpful for such a query.
[21:57] <cjwatson> ev: they get transliterated in at least (random sample) Chinese
[21:57] <cjwatson> ev: see the cdrom-detect translations, for example
[22:24] <ev> ah, damn, okay
[22:24] <ev> thanks
[23:23] <ev> so far: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubiquity-greeter.png - just need to fix one glaring bug.
[23:24] <superm1> are you parsing the OS from .disk/info to populate that, so Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc will automatically have their text set properly?
[23:24] <cjwatson> cool
[23:25] <cjwatson> does that dialog expand if you have a reasonable amount of screen space available?
[23:27] <ev> as in the space between the try section and the install section?
[23:27] <ev> or in some other way?
[23:28] <cjwatson> the whole window, it's smaller than it was, presumably due to your timezone changes
[23:28] <cjwatson> I'm just making sure that it uses more screen space if you have it, otherwise it'll feel cramped
[23:29] <cjwatson> while being smaller when there isn't so much space available
[23:37] <ev> cjwatson: ah, a mistake in my previous commit.  Fixing now.
[23:42] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3856 ubiquity/ (gui/gtk/stepUserInfo.ui ubiquity/components/ubi-usersetup.py): Fix r3853. Only use scrollbars on the user setup page when needed.
[23:42] <ev> ^ fixed, thanks


[00:14] <stanguturi> Thanks smoser for your valuable inputs.
[00:22] <smoser> did it work ?
[00:22] <smoser> stanguturi,
[01:25] <stanguturi> smoser, no that didn't work. I had to reboot...
[21:07] <akostadinov> smoser: thanks for help yesterday. FYI the --ignore-dependencies approach for starting docker from runcmd worked fine.


[15:56] <gQuigs> should I assign the gstreamer bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1051559) to the ubuntu-mozilla-ppa-bugs project as well?
[15:56] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1051559 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Build Firefox with GStreamer support" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[17:11] <Unit193> It's a known bug, not building it with gstreamer now so it doesn't pull in gstreamer0.10 on saucy desktop images.
[17:33] <gQuigs> Unit193: oh ok, waiting for it to be gstreamer1.0?
[17:55] <Unit193> Or at least not seeded, so it would appear.
[17:58] <gQuigs> wait, but why does the PPA have to wait for that?
[18:21] <Unit193> As far as I know it's somewhat of a staging area for release.  Note that I don't have anything to do with building Firefox in the PPA, though I have taken the packaging and done several gstreamer builds.
[18:22] <gQuigs> Unit193: thanks.  I guess I just wanted to doublecheck it was on someones radar...
[18:23] <Unit193> Since it's on by default, it had to be disabled.  And the person in charge actually did comment on that bug.
[18:25] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-aurora.head/revision/1259#debian/changelog
[18:29] <gQuigs> "as this adds a hard dependency on the *old* gstreamer stack. Reenable this once Firefox has been dropped from the default install"  not exactly what I was hoping for..
[18:29] <gQuigs> Unit193: but thanks for finding out why
[18:30] <Unit193> (I follow the commits.)


[05:54] <Kilos> morning africa
[10:29] <elacheche> Morning! :)
[10:43] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[10:43] <Kilos> its afternoon already
[10:50] <elacheche> x) It's still morning in my head :D x)
[10:52] <Kilos> lol
[10:53] <Kilos> i read an article the other day about za peeps in the IT world, they drink a lot of coffee but rise ealier than any other country
[11:04] <elacheche> HAhahaha :D I drink a lot of coffee too :D But like sleeping :D
[11:04] <elacheche> It's still morning because I didn't get my 3th coffee yet :)
[11:04] <elacheche> I have an exam in 30 min.. So I told my self why not trying a new IRC client :D And here I am :D :p
[11:05] <Kilos> good luck with the exam
[11:06] <elacheche> Thanks Kilos :) :D


[14:59] <jarlath1> a
[14:59] <clivejo> b
[15:01] <jarlath1> c
[15:03] <clivejo> Artful Aardvark?
[15:06] <jarlath1> Haha!
[15:06] <jarlath1> The first conversation I've seen here started with one letter :)
[15:11] <clivejo> Thats the new name of 17.10 :)
[15:12] <jarlath1> Yes, I heard. Nice to see it come full circle :)
[15:12] <jarlath1> Even if it is without Unity :(
[15:13] <clivejo> I was never a Unity fan, can't say I'm disappointed!
[15:14] <jarlath1> Good for you. It's really not nice loosing a favourite DE. What do you run?
[15:14] <clivejo> but it is sad that Canonical is dropping support for desktop.  That will have a knock on with other flavours
[15:14] <clivejo> KDE Plasma
[15:15] <jarlath1> I used KDE a lot in the past. Very powerful.
[15:15] <clivejo> the switch to Plasma 5 was a bit "unstable"
[15:16] <clivejo> but recent version are becoming more stable and polished looking
[15:17] <clivejo> there are some very good Unity themes for plasma
[15:18] <jarlath1> I'm using Kdenlive a lot on Unity.
[15:18] <jarlath1> I've seen a recent configuration to make kde look more like Unity.
[15:18] <jarlath1> But for me Unity is about the HUD, global menus and the other nice intergration.
[15:19] <clivejo> they recently added global menus
[15:19] <jarlath1> Cool. I remember them from 3.x
[15:19] <clivejo> the HUD, I think someone is working on
[15:19] <jarlath1> Yes, I forget the name of it but it sounds promising.
[15:20] <clivejo> well its a plugin for krunner which would do the same sort of thing
[15:20] <clivejo> I am liking the Mycroft intregration too
[15:20] <jarlath1> Is Mycroft useful?
[15:21] <clivejo> can be
[15:21] <jarlath1> I've seen videos of novelty uses so far
[15:21] <jarlath1> I probably need to make my house 'smart' before I'd use it.
[15:22] <clivejo> there is a plasmoid which gives it KDE skills
[15:22] <jarlath1> Oh, very cool
[15:22] <jarlath1> Are you on Kubuntu or Neon?
[15:23] <clivejo> very handy for switching desktops, locking screen, working with apps
[15:23] <clivejo> mostly Kubuntu
[15:32] <jarlath1> Oh, Alan Pope is the voice of Mycroft :)
[18:06] <clivejo> is he?
[20:10] <tdr112> yep


[03:27] <roasted> hello friends
[06:13] <ricotz> darkxst, hey, thanks for filling up staging so nicely :)
[06:23] <ricotz> darkxst, btw pushed a g-s-d fix
[07:59] <darkxst> ricotz, np
[08:03] <darkxst> it was mostly pretty straight forward, although I imagine things will start breaking once we get to beta!
[08:06] <darkxst> ricotz, I couldnt update pango though due to this -> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704431
[08:26] <darkxst> ricotz, anyway I am off for the weekend...
[19:01] <thunder1212> hi
[19:02] <thunder1212> how can i get a windows list in gnome shell 3 panel?
[19:03] <thunder1212> hi
[19:04] <thunder1212> ashams:
[19:05] <thunder1212> ate
[19:05] <thunder1212> atrus:
[19:05] <thunder1212> basso:
[19:05] <thunder1212> benonsoftware:
[19:05] <thunder1212> BrokenThumb:
[19:05] <thunder1212> df
[19:05] <thunder1212> Unity:
[19:05] <thunder1212> zequence:
[19:05] <jbicha> thunder1212: stop
[19:05] <thunder1212> ok
[19:06] <thunder1212> jbicha: how can i get a windows list in gnome shell 3 panel?
[19:07] <jbicha> please stop pinging individual people¸ if someone knows the answer they'll probably answer
[19:10] <thunder1212> jbicha: ok sorry, i thought that there is no activity so i started some..
[19:11] <thunder1212> jbicha: i have ubuntu 12.04 installed on my laptop and i installed gnome shell is it different from ubuntu gnome?
[19:11] <thunder1212> AbsintheSyringe: hi
[19:12] <thunder1212> AbsintheSyringe: welcome to ubuntu-gnome
[19:13] <thunder1212> jbicha: do you think that i need to download ubuntu gnome afresh?
[19:13] <thunder1212> thunder1212:
[19:13] <thunder1212> thunder1212:
[19:14] <roasted> hello friends
[19:14] <thunder1212> roasted: hi
[19:15] <jbicha> thunder1212: it's possible to get a window list in GNOME Shell if you install Ubuntu GNOME 13.04, use the GNOME3 PPA, install gnome-shell-extensions, and choose GNOME Classic from the log in screen
[19:15] <thunder1212> roasted: do you think that i need to download ubuntu gnome afresh. although i have ubuntu 12.04 and gnome shell installed
[19:15] <jbicha> there's probably an easier way but I don't really use many extensions
[19:15] <jbicha> thunder1212: you can try looking around https://extensions.gnome.org/
[19:16] <thunder1212> jbicha: how do you switch between windows in gnome shell?
[19:19] <jbicha> thunder1212: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/3.4/shell-windows-switching.html
[19:21] <thunder1212> ok thnkx
[19:21] <thunder1212> bye
[19:33] <roasted> hello friends
[19:33] <roasted> has anybody resumed their 13.10 system to find Gnome is ENTIRELY wigged out with acid-trip like colors?
[19:34] <roasted> About once per every 10 resumes I have to log in blindly and then ALT F2 and hit R a few times. Sometimes I have to reboot Gnome nly ones, other times it takes 2 or 3 tries to get Gnome to entirely reset.


[06:47] <Huuhkaja> Hi all. Bit of a problem with my scanner. Samsung SL-C480W that is connected through my network. Installed official samsung drivers, print was just mess of a symbols, switched to PCL6 driver and printing works. scanimage -L doesn't find any scanners (not with default printer drivers set or this) unless i add my ip to xerox_mfp.conf. But this won't let me scan with xsane or simple scan. using scanimage with lineart mode does produce a sc
[06:47] <Huuhkaja> an but ofc not very good one. I've seen bug reports of this, but most of them was fixed with just installing the samsung official driver and that is not working for me.
[06:47] <Huuhkaja> Running simple scan from terminal and attempting to scan gives me "Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x00 0x00". I've also tried Live ubuntu from usb and installed the official samsung drivers there and the same thing.
[06:47] <Huuhkaja> i've also added rolfbensch/sane-git ppa and updated what it gave me, but that didn't help.
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> is samsung blob driver intended for recent linux versions at all?
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> usually they have a specific claim to what they support
[06:52] <Huuhkaja> no idea, it just says ubuntu at hp's support site where you get them. they are from sep1, 2017 though
[06:53] <Huuhkaja> nope, ./uninstall-scanner.sh and tried again, did the same thing
[06:56] <aliasd> hello, I am running 32 bit 16.04, and am trying to upgrade to 18.04... when I do a do-release-upgrade, it says "No New Relese Found" - is there some more correct way to upgrade? I am assuming there are still 32 bit packages available if the various flavours are still offering 32 bit Ubuntu?
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> the upgrade path is possibly offered when 18.04.1 is released
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> do-release-upgrade -d should work
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> never tried it
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> reinstall is usually faster than upgrading :)
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> and more reliable :)
[07:01] <knome> yes, upgrades from LTS to LTS releases become "normally" available for users after the first point release of the target LTS
[07:01] <aliasd> ahh
[07:01] <pmjdebruijn> sounds like sensible policy
[07:01] <aliasd> thanks a heap :)
[07:01] <knome> one should have been released yesterday, but i'm pretty sure that didn't happen ... :)
[07:02] <knome> (or at least that was the release schedule)
[07:02] <knome> it will be sooner than later though, i'm sure
[07:02] <Unit193> knome: July was always what I heard.
[07:02] <knome> oh
[07:02] <knome> yes
[07:02] <knome> *july* 26th
[07:02]  * knome facepalms
[07:02] <knome> so one month...
[07:03] <Unit193> knome: You can always jump now, I did a while ago.
[07:03] <knome> i know
[07:03] <aliasd> I was worried I wouldn't be able to install 32 bit Ubuntu, so this is a great relief
[07:03] <aliasd> I understand not being able to upgrade LTS yet, that makes sense
[07:03] <pmjdebruijn> you are able
[07:03] <pmjdebruijn> you just need to forcibly opt-in
[07:03] <Unit193> Oh, pmjdebruijn?
[07:04] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't do-release-upgrade -d work just fine?
[07:04] <aliasd> my situation is I have a bunch of machines that have been upgraded since the first LTS, and it would be annoying to reinstall them all
[07:04] <aliasd> yes, -d works
[07:04] <pmjdebruijn> always reinstalling forces you to keep track of what you actually use
[07:04] <aliasd> but I don't need to install the devel version, I can wait until next month as long as it will work
[07:04] <pmjdebruijn> as opposed to just pulling the same crap along with your upgrade
[07:05] <pmjdebruijn> it's also a *MUCH* better habbit with regard to security
[07:05] <knome> (it's not development though, it's released but LTS->LTS upgrades aren't just supported yet)
[07:05] <knome> pmjdebruijn, please stop pressing - there are different needs and wants
[07:06] <aliasd> I have maintained these machinews since Breezy
[07:07] <aliasd> machines*
[07:08] <aliasd> honestly if I were to reinstall, I would be looking at straight Debian, but as long as upgrade is supported, they can stay Ubuntu
[07:09] <aliasd> I just CBF doing all the backups required to reinstall, and I know I should backup to upgrade anyway, but really, I have such a majorly reduced chance of losing the data that it is easier
[07:14] <pmjdebruijn> knome: yeah sorry... just trying to make folks think about their habbits :)
[07:15] <Unit193> Except some of us don't use defaults, so it would take far longer to re-install and set everything back up, than it would to upgrade and clean up the cruft along the way. :)
[07:21] <pmjdebruijn> I keep track of non-defaults I use, at least the important ones :)
[07:21] <pmjdebruijn> but that said, I try to stick to defaults as much I can :)
[07:22] <pmjdebruijn> but I know it's not a one size fits all :)
[07:24] <aliasd> i see your point pmjdebruijn, but I just don't think it works for my situation
[07:25] <pmjdebruijn> fair enough
[07:39] <knome> and tbh, in some situations (likely not this), upgrading can feel less intimidating than a fresh install too - even to the point that the latter feels impossible while the former is "within reach"
[07:43] <aliasd> I got into the habit of upgrading due to the way files are shared around the office.... there are nfs mounts going all sorts of places and no central server, it is a bit of a mess and probably should be changed entirely, but it all works, and replacing the system would be disruptive
[07:44] <Unit193> No offence meant, but I think I'd vote for disruptive in this case. :3
[07:45] <aliasd> heh not to mention each machine has a completely different software profile
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> some folks might employ ansible even for workstations :D
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> might be worth considering at some point, although it's a nontrivial investment to get setup
[08:02] <CyberShadow> Hello. How to connect to WiFi from the 18.04 live CD? There is no network icon, and NetworkManager isn't running, so NM UIs (e.g. nmtui) can't start.
[08:02] <CyberShadow> Drivers seem to be loaded, and the interface appears in "ip l".
[08:03] <pmjdebruijn> that rather odd
[08:03] <pmjdebruijn> check your 'dmesg', see if anything crashed or something
[08:03] <diogenes_> CyberShadow, run in terminal: nm-applet
[08:04] <CyberShadow> No output, no effect.
[08:04] <diogenes_> that's good, look on the panel the network icon should appear
[08:05] <CyberShadow> No.
[08:05] <CyberShadow> Oh, there's SQUASHFS errors in dmesg. That explains it, bad image or bad USB cable.
[08:05] <pmjdebruijn> *tada* :D
[08:05] <diogenes_> ohhh, yeah that's possible
[08:05] <CyberShadow> Surprising it booted all the way to a graphical desktop.
[08:05] <diogenes_> either iso or the usb itself
[08:05] <pmjdebruijn> the only thing worse that a horribly broken usb flash drive is a subtly broken usb flash drive :D
[08:13] <CyberShadow> Yep, the image I had on my drive was corrupt. Fixed it now with a torrent. Damn cosmic rays I guess...
[08:13] <diogenes_> hehe you live in Australia?
[08:14] <CyberShadow> No (luckily)
[08:19] <pmjdebruijn> diogenes_: lol, Australia is known for it's cosmic rays?
[08:19] <diogenes_> pmjdebruijn, for some kind of ultraviolet dangerous rays :)
[08:20] <pmjdebruijn> uv is hardly cosmic :D
[08:21] <aliasd> Australia is a myth
[08:21] <pmjdebruijn> it couldn't exist on this flat earth :)
[08:25] <aliasd> It's just, I live in Australia and over here, nobody has even heard of it
[10:32] <ph0n3> hi :)
[10:54] <xubuntu39d> hi
[10:54] <ph0n3> hi :)
[10:56] <ph0n3> hows it going?
[10:56] <xubuntu39d> i have a problem with the next: by synaptik packagemanager i see this: you do  not use /root/.synaptic/temp/temp-sh   ...how can i solve this?
[10:57] <ph0n3> hmm i dont have much knowladge maybe remove and install it again
[10:58] <xubuntu39d> i 'll try it. thanks
[10:58] <ph0n3> yw :)
[13:57] <n-iCe> México!!
[19:33] <xubuntu32i> hello
[19:35] <xubuntu32i> anyone here


[06:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: so, good news and bad news, enigmail builds, but I still need -fshort-wchar
[06:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: and since I've used it for a few other mozilla apps (instantbird, weave) I think we might have a problem with the build system
[06:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I'll talk to you about it in the morning my time
[09:01] <era> yo.
[15:47] <rsavoye> asac: around ?
[15:48] <asac> busy searchng for something
[15:49] <rsavoye> just a minor thing. we're about to switch to Git this week, so you'd need to change the import from savannah into Launchpad for Gnash
[15:49] <rsavoye> I gave up trying to get the savannah admins to fix their bzr server side
[15:49] <asac> rsavoye: you already said so, yes.
[15:49] <asac> give me the new git url please
[15:53] <rsavoye> git://git.sv.gnu.org/gnash.git. I was just making sure everyone is informed before switching
[15:53] <rsavoye> I'll be turning off our bzr tree in a day or so is the plan
[16:44] <asac> jdstrand: there?
[16:48] <asac> jdstrand: we will reupload qws now ... it was an explicit wish of riddell to have it in a duplicated source for now
[17:05] <jdstrand> asac: I understand it was an explicit wish of Riddell's, but other archive admin's disagreed with that wish without a justification. I sent an email to the submitter. I think a massive code duplication needs to be tracked in a bug
[17:06] <jdstrand> asac: that bug should be referenced in the changelog so that people are aware of the issue
[17:08] <jdstrand> asac: it may very well be that it is the only thing we can do, but I feel pretty strongly that needs to be discussed and approved in a bug
[17:09] <jdstrand> it is almost 2 million lines of code...
[17:12] <asac> jdstrand: ok riddell opens a bug and uploads a again
[17:54] <era> what's the big deal about beta 5? is it finally gonna bring gecko up to par with webkit in terms of speed?
[17:54] <micahg> era: I think it's feature freeze
[17:54]  * micahg isn't 100% sure though
[17:55] <era> i heard mozilla 2 was going to land with it
[17:55] <micahg> era: huh?
[17:55] <micahg> oh, yeah, maybe the new JS engine
[17:56] <era> why is firefox consistently behind though?
[17:57] <micahg> era: huh?  It's hard to be best in everything.  They have a much older and vast codebase than the otehr projects
[17:58] <micahg> a lot of cleanup has gone into this release as well as tweaks
[19:21] <fta> jdstrand, hi, when will chromium move out of lucid-proposed?
[19:25] <jdstrand> fta: it needs to get through the SRU process. I commented in the bug. the ubuntu-sru team may be waiting for more people to comment
[19:25] <jdstrand> fta: if you or others could comment in bug #612109, it might help
[19:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 612109 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "new upstream release: 5.0.375.125~r53311 (affects: 1) (heat: 271)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/612109
[19:28] <Dimmuxx> since people are talking about chrome, any way to get h264 to work with the 6.0 beta?
[19:29] <Dimmuxx> it works in 5.0 but when I add the beta repo and upgrade it to 6.0 it doesn't
[19:36] <fta> i'm on it
[20:30] <fta> Dimmuxx, should work now
[20:56] <Dimmuxx> fta: yeah it works and webm support too, nice :)
[22:33] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: ping
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> hi nxvl
[22:33] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: i noticed that content/startpage.html has been removed from ubufox
[22:33] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: and i've a patch changing the default homepage, should i change the patch?
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - yeah, you'd need to change the patch
[22:34] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: what's the new location or file handling that?
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - ubufox sets the default start page preference to about:home, and the protocol handler in ubufox then constructs the correct URL depending on whether you're on/offline and which locale you're using
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> so, you could either change the default preference
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> or you could patch components/AboutHome.js in ubufox to construct a different URL
[22:37] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: the patch just changes the "var HOMEPAGE_ONLINE" variable
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> do you mean HOMEPAGE_ONLINE_PREFIX?
[22:44] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: var HOMEPAGE_ONLINE = "http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/";
[22:44] <nxvl> that line
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> nxvl, we might be looking at a different version of ubufox ;)
[22:44] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: that was in 0.7-0ubuntu1
[22:45] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: i need to update this patch for 0.9
[22:45] <nxvl> but no clue how
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. in 0.9, that variable is replaced with HOMEPAGE_ONLINE_PREFIX
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> which is set to the same URL ;)
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> but there is some other magic which appends to the search engine name to the end of the URL
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> so, you get "http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/Google or "http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/Yahoo
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> although
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> i have a feeling i actually patched that out of the jaunty version


[09:54] <FlannelKing> Anyone know why (in apache2) a <location> (that activates web_dav) would overrule a mod_rewrite of that directory?
[05:24] <mxpxpod> has anyone heard of a problem with breezy having expat conflicts with libapache2-mod-python and libapach2-mod-php?
[05:26] <mxpxpod> because with mod_php and mod_python loaded, I get random segfaults in my python apps


[05:00] <hikiko> Hi
[06:08] <pitti> Good morning
[08:12] <Laney> meow
[08:18]  * pitti throws a ball of wool to Laney
[08:18] <pitti> good morning, how are you?
[08:19] <Laney> oh pitti, you know just what I like!
[08:19] <Laney> not bad
[08:19] <Laney> enjoying reimplementing half of packagekit inside gnome-software :P
[08:21] <Laney> but it is sunny today for once!
[08:21] <Laney> pitti: how are you?
[08:21] <pitti> Laney: really well too, thanks! enjoying the spring
[08:24] <Laney> the trees that I planted back in January are now clearly alive
[08:24] <Laney> one of them has some flowers even
[08:24] <pitti> oh, nice
[08:24] <pitti> we did a big round of gardening two weeks ago too, and everything is in full bloom now, really nice
[08:24] <Laney> \o/
[08:24] <Laney> not quite there yet here
[08:25]  * Laney is excited to get to the new allotment for the first time at the weekend
[08:25] <xnox>  /o\
[08:27]  * Laney nods xnox
[08:27] <Laney> what up G
[08:27] <xnox> Laney, you gardening - it must be all that free time after leaving dmb =)
[08:29] <Laney> oh man
[08:29] <Laney> that feels good!
[08:29] <Laney> ...and reminds me to go vote for the TB
[08:29] <pitti> ... for the French mafia?
[08:30] <pitti> suspiciously, neither didrocks nor seb128 are here
[08:30] <Laney> hitting the campaign trail hard
[08:30]  * Laney just saw Didier's battle bus drive past
[08:30] <pitti> haha, I already see them plastering the internet with virtual cardboard
[08:32] <Laney> xnox: I saw George Galloway's battle bus when I was in London last week :D
[08:32] <Laney> didn't know he was even running
[08:32] <Laney> but there he was standing on the top and yelling into the street
[11:45] <jcastro> Trevinho: thanks for those PRs, you've made my desktop a better place.
[12:07] <ksamak> Trevinho: i just wanted to enquire as to that potential <IP_ADDRESS> release for compiz? i tough this would only take a week at best
[12:07] <ksamak> cause we're looking forward to re-integration in debian! ;-)
[12:54] <ksamak> hikiko: hey.
[12:54] <ksamak> remember i told you about a potential bug with compiz ezoom plugin>?
[12:55] <ksamak> i'm reproducing that on a base ubuntu mate 15.10 with stock compiz <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:57] <ksamak> when using focus tracking (follow_focus), one can put the mouse at a 1st place, switch windows. at that point, mouse warps to center of newly switched window, so 2nd place. But as soon as the mouse moves again through user input, 1st place is restored, and zoom area moves to 1st place again...
[13:00] <Trevinho> jcastro: eheh, no problem.
[13:00] <Trevinho> ksamak: I wanted to do that once Xenial was done. Do you need that before?
[13:01] <hikiko> ksamak, does this happen on mate only?
[13:02] <ksamak> Trevinho: well, this change would be nice for stretch, so we don't have to wait two more years for it to be in debian stable.
[13:02] <ksamak> so we'd like to forward the process as soon as possible
[13:02] <hikiko> I try to reproduce it on unity and I can't
[13:02] <ksamak> hikiko: i guess you're using ezoom as well in unity.
[13:03] <ksamak> hikiko: could it be an X setting somehow different?
[13:03] <ksamak> or linked to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/792598 ?
[13:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 792598 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "XWarpPointer sends wrong raw mouse input event - jumping mouse when XInput2 in use" [High,Fix released]
[13:04] <ksamak> Trevinho: we'd also like to push in mate-accessibility, a package to configure settings for impaired people. a bit like accessiblity profiles for gsettings, but wider.
[13:04] <ksamak> so that requires compiz to be in as well.
[13:06] <ksamak> hikiko: i'm gonna try that on unity
[13:07] <hikiko> ksamak, no worries I'll install mate too
[13:07] <hikiko> just later
[13:14]  * willcooke goes to look for bacon
[13:19] <ksamak> hikiko: i think i've got a driver problem, about syncing the mouse guest in a VM, and the host... thx virtualbox
[13:19] <ksamak> i'll try a real one
[13:19] <Trevinho> ksamak: I see the follow mouse issuet... It could be ezoom related. Yes. Probably it keeps the pointerX/Y pos somewhere without being notified of her warp change
[13:20] <ksamak> i'll test that, maybe i just fucked up with some driver in a VM
[13:20] <hikiko> if Trevinho has the same problem then it's me that can't reproduce
[13:21] <hikiko> I'm going to test later ksamak because now my ezoom is broken
[13:21] <hikiko> I'm adding a feature
[13:21] <hikiko> (that won't affect your code no worries)
[13:23] <ksamak> hikiko: no problem lol
[13:23] <ksamak> hikiko: have fun with features
[14:13] <Trevinho> ksamak: mh, I can't reproduce that issue anymore though :o
[14:13] <Trevinho> ksamak: did you also enable something like focus follows mouse in general options?
[14:16] <ksamak> Trevinho: i've tested on a non-VM computer. i can't reproduce either. so i did a python program to mouse the mouse without touching my host mouse.
[14:16] <ksamak> and... turns out it's my host -> VM input which screwed the test
[14:17] <ksamak> sorry guys...
[14:17] <ksamak> hikiko:
[14:17] <hikiko> no worries ksamak :)
[14:18] <hikiko> maybe the vm is confused by the real mouse position
[14:18] <hikiko> the mouse integration is not so good
[14:22] <ksamak> hikiko: i think the host forces the position in absolute, so whatever the warped pos, it always follows the host's pos.
[14:22] <hikiko> could be
[14:37] <Trevinho> ok, late HUD change about to be published...
[14:38] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[14:38] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[14:38] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are things going?
[14:39] <Trevinho> seb128: ok... the rush for the final HUD change is done, you?
[14:39] <seb128> I'm good, in SLC for some days, managed to sleep until 7h45 ;-)
[14:40] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, got fever?
[14:40] <seb128> fever?
[14:40] <seb128> SLC=Salt Lake City
[14:41] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, I was unsure whether it was that or Sick Leave Certificate :-D
[14:41] <Trevinho> seb128: but yeah I knew there was a meeting there...
[14:41] <seb128> lol, no, feeling well ;-)
[14:42] <Trevinho> seb128: ok nice... Then I guess you'll have to share something with us at the sprint
[14:42] <seb128> hope so, let's see
[14:43] <Trevinho> hi willcooke
[14:48] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[14:49] <Trevinho> willcooke: FYI the hud stuff is landing... :)
[14:49] <willcooke> Trevinho, \o/ thanks
[14:50] <Trevinho> andyrock did a great job
[15:24] <pitti> hey seb128! oh, what kind of sprint are you on now?
[15:30] <xclaesse> seb128, Nautilus on 16.04, when you're on a remote location (sftp://) and press delete it won't do anything
[15:30] <xclaesse> seb128, you have to press shift-delete
[15:31] <xclaesse> because it can't move to trash when on remote location
[15:31] <xclaesse> but there is not indication at all...
[15:31] <xclaesse> afaik, it was working on previous ubuntu releases
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, UES planning
[15:36] <pitti> seb128: oh argh
[15:37] <seb128> xclaesse, I would need to look at that, could be gvfs/glib
[15:37] <seb128> I remember seeing commits about that but I'm not unsure it was not in the new nautilus
[15:37] <seb128> which we didn't take
[15:38] <xclaesse> seb128, sounds more like a UI stuff, the old ctr-delete crap from upstream, no?
[15:38] <seb128> could be
[15:39] <seb128> xclaesse, I think it's https://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/commit/?id=1a4e823966e31f72eedfec536cb150c629e126a7
[15:39] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753934
[15:39] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 753934 in daemon "Files are not marked as untrashable" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[15:39] <xclaesse> seb128, yep, if file can't be trashed, delete key should popup a dialog saying it's going to permanently delete it
[15:40] <xclaesse> I'm pretty sure it was doing that in 15.10
[15:40] <seb128> 15.10 wasn't flagging sftp files as undeletable though
[15:40] <seb128> or that's what that commit suggest no?
[15:41] <seb128> but yeah, it's a bug
[15:42] <xclaesse> seb128, tested on 15.10, it says: "Impossible de mettre « monbeaufichiertest » à la corbeille. Voulez-vous le supprimer immédiatement ?"
[15:49] <seb128> xclaesse, k, then we probably need to adapt nautilus to the gvfs change
[15:49] <seb128> or reverse the gvfs commit
[15:50] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=89a11adc55d8bcf9ba01243c7f5f177398e5f582
[15:50] <seb128> something like that?
[15:50] <seb128> well the code change but in spirit
[15:50] <seb128> no gaction in our version
[17:44] <seb128> Trevinho, unsure if that was an issue before, I think I notice because I changed my bg to a white one ... when you maximize a win on xenial there is some gap between the launcher and the window
[17:44] <seb128> it's quite visible white a white bg because it makes a visible gap next the to the decoration/toolbar
[17:50] <seb128> Trevinho, http://imgur.com/3Zr6BEh
[19:35] <Trevinho> seb128: yeha, it's by design...
[19:36] <Trevinho> seb128: it should be 1px
[19:36] <seb128> ok
[19:36] <seb128> it just looks weird in the top because it's only visible next to the toolbar
[19:36] <seb128> oh well
[19:36] <seb128> not so of an issue with the default background/most images
[20:57] <TheMuso> Ok what the actual hell? Alt plus semicolon for window actions menu?
[21:00] <seb128> TheMuso, that's a changelog error, it's on super-alt
[21:01] <TheMuso> Ok, but why the change?
[21:01] <TheMuso> I get that the hud keystroke has been changed, but to change a common convention shared between so many desktop environemnts/OSs?
[21:02] <seb128> TheMuso, I think their rational is that windows actions are on super
[21:03] <TheMuso> Ok makes sense. I personally consider any window resize/movement actions to be suitable to use with super, but menus are accessed with the alt key, so its only logical that the actions menu is the same IMO.
[21:03] <TheMuso> Anyways, I'll just change it for myself.
[21:03] <seb128> yeah, could make sense as, can you comment on the bug to say that?
[21:03] <seb128> well it's blocked by the release team atm
[21:03] <TheMuso> Sure.
[21:03] <seb128> thanks
[21:31] <Mitsos101> How can I use umake in a shell script (without waiting for user input)?
[21:32] <sarnold> what's it prompting for? maybe you can pre-feed it, echo "hello" | umake  or whtaaever
[21:33] <Mitsos101> It's the license agreement for VSCode, I'm trying to install it automatically for Docker
[21:46] <Laney> desrt: if you're planning a glib 2.48.1, would be good to have soon ;-)
[21:46] <Laney> so I can slide it in before xenial becomes 16.04
[21:52] <jdstrand> seb128, qengho: fyi, bug #1570111
[21:52] <ubot5`> bug 1570111 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "many seccomp denials for set_robust_list in xenial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570111
[21:53] <seb128> Laney, hey
[21:53] <seb128> Laney, do you plan to update gvfs to the stable version?
[21:54] <seb128> oh, we also didn't update glib-networking
[21:54] <seb128> unsure if that should follows glib or if it's fine to have them off by one serie
[22:00] <seb128> jdstrand, thanks
[22:00] <seb128> qengho, can you have a look to that?
[22:08] <Laney> seb128: if I get time
[22:08] <Laney> and it's fine yes, but you could sync it
[22:08] <Laney> there weren't many changes
[22:10] <seb128> k, I didn't look at it
[22:10] <seb128> maybe if I can manage to get some more hack time in between meetings
[22:10] <seb128> otherwise on monday once I'm back to a proper computer
[22:16] <qengho> jdstrand: ah, thanks. Consider it fixed.
[22:26] <furkan> am i still the only one here with ubuntu 16.04 who's missing shadows on windows of gtk applications?
[22:26] <furkan> it was working fine until an update broke it (no idea which one)


[17:21] <mpt> tseliot, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-death-by-100-paper-cuts
[17:22] <artir> "karmic-death-by-100-paper-cuts" sounds like a kung fu attack
[17:22] <artir> XD
[19:04] <filthynoob> hey guys
[19:05] <filthynoob> I reinstalled windows on another partition to play some games and I lost my cd that has the drivers
[19:06] <filthynoob> I just need to get the driver for the network adapter and everything from there should be cake
[19:06] <filthynoob> anyone know how to find out what my network adapter is?
[19:10] <andreasn> filthynoob, check out #ubuntu, I'm sure someone knows there
[19:12] <andreasn> filthynoob, it should also say in the third page if you go to System > Administration > System Testing