[00:00] <syed> i wont get kicked out of the irc due to inactivity?
[00:00] <Rob_s820> Ztane: Would you like a list of the device types?
[00:01] <OerHeks> syed, no
[00:01] <syed> okay - thanks! : )
[00:01] <GreekFreak> escott, I'm doing chmod +x myfilename.exten and the permissions won't change from -rw---(etc)
[00:01] <escott> GreekFreak, its on an external media. what filesystem is this?
[00:01] <zykotick9> GreekFreak: if it's on fat/ntfs you can't apply posix permissions
[00:03] <GreekFreak> escott, zykotick9, thank you. it's ntfs. I'll move it to the ubuntu drive
[00:03] <Rob_s820> Does anyone else have a solution to unresponsive Wi-Fi? I can connect to my home network but nothing related to the Internet will load.
[00:04] <nydel> apport tends to freeze up on my system, anything i can do about this? it keeps having an error itself then trying to report that & so on
[00:04] <Ztane> Rob_s820: hmmm that is stranger
[00:05] <Rob_s820> Ztane: Is there any info you need that could help figure this out?
[00:06] <escott> Rob_s820, can you ping your router?
[00:06] <nydel> could use some help: cloud reader at read.amazoncom shows up blank - i guess that it is a java applet? i tried updating the open-source java runtime environment & the icedtea plugin. any help greatly appreciated
[00:07] <Rob_s820> escott: How would I do that?
[00:07] <escott> Rob_s820, first figure out your ip with "ifconfig"
[00:08] <escott> Rob_s820, look for inet addr
[00:08] <Rob_s820> escott: it is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:08] <escott> Rob_s820, so the router is probably <IP_ADDRESS>. so "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" and see what it says
[00:09] <rebe> ok guys and how do I change name in the way that I changed hostname ?
[00:09] <escott> rebe, your username?
[00:09] <zykotick9> !hostname | rebe be careful!
[00:10] <Rob_s820> Escott: it says, "from <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=# Destination Host Unreachable"
[00:10] <escott> Rob_s820, was this a wireless or wired connection
[00:11] <lewellyn> so, how does one troubleshoot ubuntu not doing anything that resembles "bringing an installer onscreen" when booting off the 12.04 desktop cd? http://www.twitvid.com/K6JGD is what i see on my monitor (from when POST ends till i stop recording at where it hangs)
[00:11] <Rob_s820> escott: Wireless. I am using a laptop.
[00:11] <escott> Rob_s820, how about pasting us the output of "ifconfig" "iwconfig" and "route" at paste.ubuntu.com
[00:12] <Rob_s820> escott: I don't have access to anything besides my iPhone here..
[00:12] <bandit5432> is there a way to see if a package was built with a certain commit applied?
[00:12] <VideoBear> Hello everyone, I'm trying to make some video calls with empathy on Precise, but I'm not able to do so. Sending and receiving webcam fails from both Jabber and MSN protocols.  Is it port related ? Thanks
[00:12] <Rob_s820> escott: Anything in specific I could tell you?
[00:12] <temp12> What do i have to type in the ./bashrc so that every time my computer boots up, it browses to a directory and executes python server.py? if i just put python ~/server/server.py, it doesnt find the files anymore because it executes from home directory and lookes for files in home directory
[00:13] <GreekFreak> escott, it didn't create the file for the echo. This is what I ran:  https://gist.github.com/2765594
[00:13] <KingBeast> Can anyone explain to me why I keep hearing not to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers?
[00:13] <escott> GreekFreak, the script you execute should be a normal script. it shouldn't have cron directives like the 42 1 ...
[00:14] <m1jj> hi, is postfix secure on 10.04?
[00:14] <OerHeks> VideoBear, if you both use msn, it is a msn service problem.
[00:14] <escott> Rob_s820, i would advise disabling any wpa while you debug, but thats going to be harder since you cannot connect to the router
[00:14] <OerHeks> KingBeast, who tells you that ?
[00:15] <KingBeast> I keep seeing it on a lot of 12.04 videos
[00:15] <Rob_s820> escott: So what would you suggest?
[00:15] <escott> temp12, commands to be run once on boot should go in rc.local
[00:15] <KingBeast> OerHeks, ^^
[00:15] <bandit5432> KingBeast, dont listen and install any way
[00:15] <escott> Rob_s820, make a wired connection?
[00:15] <lewellyn> anyone? i'd think that there'd be a simple list of "try this if you can't get ubuntu to install" things, but even the release notes are pretty bare
[00:16] <VideoBear> OerHeks: Surprisingly, it doesn't work under Jabber either. I can't receive or send video or the option is grayed out
[00:16] <OerHeks> KingBeast, depends on what videocard, so state yours ?
[00:16] <KingBeast> OerHeks, 9400gt
[00:16] <bandit5432> lewellyn, how long did you let that screen continue?
[00:16] <OerHeks> KingBeast, no problem AFAIK
[00:17] <lewellyn> bandit5432: it's been going since i recorded that video ;)
[00:17] <bandit5432> lewellyn, ew
[00:17] <KingBeast> OerHeks, ok thanks
[00:17] <lewellyn> so over a half hour now.
[00:17] <GreekFreak> escott, I removed them and still nothing.
[00:17] <lewellyn> a half hour is more than enough time for a blinky cursor to go away, i'd assume.
[00:17] <bandit5432> lewellyn, what hardware are you using?
[00:18] <lewellyn> it's a D865PERL board with a 2.66 GHz P4, 3 GB RAM, and a fun assortment of PCI cards
[00:18] <Rob_s820> escott: Never mind. I can't do this right now.
[00:19] <bandit5432> lewellyn, try changing the boot options when you start the boot process see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing_the_CD.27s_Default_Boot_Options
[00:19] <escott> GreekFreak, what happens when you run that file directly?
[00:19] <bandit5432> i would try with acpi=off option first
[00:19] <escott> GreekFreak, also why would "theo" have write access to /log
[00:20] <lewellyn> bandit5432: oh. that's what that symbol means. that's very unintuitive :/
[00:20] <bandit5432> lewellyn, i dont like it myself but after several years you get used to it
[00:20] <GreekFreak> escott, uhm.. it says 'command not found'
[00:20] <lewellyn> bandit5432: i'm going to go spend some time fighting with it. i'll bbiab now that i know how to get to something usefulish.
[00:21] <bandit5432> lewellyn, all good have fun you might pull some of the pci catrds and see what happens
[00:21] <escott> GreekFreak, how are you trying to execute the script
[00:21] <bandit5432> turn off the boot splash while you are at it
[00:22] <GreekFreak> escott, I just typed the filename in the terminal
[00:22] <syed> my sound device configured wrong -- need help!
[00:22] <escott> GreekFreak, can you paste a terminal session. start with "ls -l /the/path/to/the/script" then "cat /the/path/to/the/script" then "pwd" and finally what you are doing to try and run it
[00:23] <syed> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11956889#post11956889
[00:23] <GreekFreak> escott, gimme a sec
[00:23] <syed> got a sony vaio VGN-AR31E
[00:23] <syed> sound device not working properly -- guessing the configuration is messed up
[00:25] <lewellyn> bandit5432: yeah. next up is yanking everything but the video card. trying all the likely boot options left me at a cursor again and no activity from the cd-rom
[00:25] <syed> need help with wrongly configured sound device -- loudspeaker not working -- but can hear sound through headphones when plugged in
[00:25] <GreekFreak> escott, https://gist.github.com/2765665
[00:25] <lewellyn> bandit5432: how do i turn off the boot splash btw?
[00:25] <bandit5432> lewellyn, let me look i never remember off the top of my head
[00:26] <lewellyn> k. i'll start unscrewing cards in the mean time :)
[00:26] <syed> my sound device configured wrong -- need help!
[00:26] <escott> GreekFreak, ~/Documents is not in your path. so you have to give a full path to the executable. a full path could be ./background_work.cron_jobs. this is still not going to work because "theo" wont be able to write to /log
[00:27] <bandit5432> lewellyn, have you tried booting with nomodeset ?
[00:27] <bastidrazor> lewellyn: in /etc/default/grub  remove "splash"  then save and do 'sudo update-grub'
[00:27] <rebe> sry I'm back, so how do I change username ?
[00:27] <bandit5432> bastidrazor, from the livecd
[00:28] <RealEyes> i changed my login password and now my keyring is asking me what the hell?
[00:28] <RealEyes> but i dont know my old password
[00:28] <RealEyes> how to fix?
[00:28] <escott> RealEyes, delete your keyring and create a new one
[00:29] <rebe> !username
[00:29] <Gyro54> A quick question - How do I shutdown in Gnome 3. I only have a suspend button?
[00:29] <GreekFreak> escott, why won't 'theo' be able to write? I just ran it as './background_work.cron_jobs' and the error was 'No such file or directory'. Nothing about permissions
[00:29] <bandit5432> lewellyn, F6 at the Install/Memtest/Check CD for Defects screen. Then delete the “quiet” and “splash” from the boot command line and continue booting from the CD
[00:30] <compdoc> Gyro54, are you logged into the console?
[00:30] <lewellyn> bandit5432: awseome thanks. i'll try that
[00:30] <bandit5432> lewellyn, no problem i wonder where its hanging
[00:30] <lewellyn> yanking out all the pci cards didn't help.
[00:30] <escott> GreekFreak, logs are owned by root. "theo" is not root. so "theo" will not be able to write to the logs
[00:30] <lewellyn> bandit5432: if i get something useful, i'll surely let you know :)
[00:30] <RealEyes> escott, how do i delete the keyring?
[00:30] <Gyro54> I can be but I thought I could shutdown from the GUI
[00:31] <GreekFreak> escott, 1. If I rename it to something else will it be ok? and 2. Can I not make the cron job run the file as root?
[00:31] <TadekMocarz> hi i have a question
[00:32] <TadekMocarz> anybody there
[00:32] <escott> GreekFreak, the cronjob will be run as root (provided it is in roots crontab) but in that case the script should be owned by root (its a security risk to allow a user like theo to own a script that root will execute)
[00:32] <Gyro54> compdoc: I only have a suspend option from the desktop and can't see how to change it to "shutdown"
[00:33] <KingBeast> lewellyn, is it a dell?
[00:33] <escott> RealEyes, probably ~/.gnome2/keyrings
[00:33] <VideoBear> Anyone knows why the audio/video call menu is grayed out in empathy on Jabber protocol ? Using Ubuntu 12.04. Thanks.
[00:33] <GreekFreak> escott, so all I need to do is add it to the /etc/crontab and run as root, right? and change the permissions of the script with sudo to be owned by root?
[00:34] <RealEyes> escott, login.keyrings or user.keystore or the whole folder?
[00:34] <KingBeast> VideoBear, do you have the plugin for video calls enabled?
[00:34] <escott> GreekFreak, it really should be (a) owned by root:root (b) placed in a root owned folder like /root/bin
[00:35] <escott> RealEyes, presumably the files will be enough. i dont know what the consequences of removing your keyring files will be, but if you dont have a password im not sure what other options you have
[00:35] <RealEyes> well, i do have a password
[00:35] <RealEyes> it just doesnt match the keyring
[00:36] <VideoBear> KingBeast: I didn't figure empathy used plugins. Strange thing is, it's disabled for some contacts, not all, but always fails.
[00:36] <afidegnum> hello, how do I delete all files in a current folder except the "curentdir" folder ?
[00:36] <TadekMocarz> can i haz a  question
[00:36] <RealEyes> if ubuntu gives me another critical error, im going back to arch
[00:37] <lewellyn> KingBeast: no
[00:37] <KingBeast> VideoBear, sorry I'm thinking pidgin
[00:38] <KingBeast> lewellyn, ok I was just going to suggest checking the bios for the OS install mode
[00:38] <lewellyn> bandit5432: removing quiet and splash wasn't useful. it still feels like it isn't actually attempting to load the kernel. i get the same behavior with "Check disc for defects". i'm booted into memtest successfully from the cd though.
[00:38] <afidegnum> sorry I didn't illustrated it properly, I have in the current folder, file1.txt, file2.ext folder1, folder1 "exceptionfolder"   I want to delete all except teh "exeptionfolder"
[00:38] <VideoBear> KingBeast: No problem. One contact I'm testing with use Pidgin on Windows though.
[00:38] <GreekFreak> escott, you're going a little ahead of me here. So I need to create the file using sudo (e.g. 'sudo gvim background_work.cron_jobs') and change it to an executable using sudo? And how do I move it to a root folder since I'm not allowed access to them, not even using 'sudo cd /root/'
[00:39] <bandit5432> lewellyn, did you check the iso checksum? or try booting the disk to live system in another box?
[00:39] <bandit5432> lewellyn, i have burnt some bad install disks before
[00:39] <lewellyn> bandit5432: i let the disc verify after burning, so i suspect it's not totally bum.
[00:39] <Gyro54> How do you shutdown in Gnome 3 for the desktop? I only have a suspend button?
[00:40] <TadekMocarz> CAN I HAZ A QUESTION
[00:40] <lewellyn> i'll try it in another box after i let memtest run a bit "just in case" ;)
[00:40] <bandit5432> lewellyn, so frustrating
[00:40] <GreekFreak> escott, $ sudo chown -R root:root background_work.cron_jobs  ?
[00:40] <bandit5432> TadekMocarz, ask dont ask to ask
[00:40] <TadekMocarz> OK
[00:40] <lewellyn> bandit5432: yes. i expect that ubuntu's not compatible with my hardware somehow.
[00:40] <GreekFreak> escott, sorry, maybe not the -R
[00:41] <escott> GreekFreak, (a) never use sudo with gvim. gksudo. (b) I would think chowning is easier, and (c) you can sudo mv
[00:41] <TadekMocarz> i was always interested in this mystery:  when there are students, and they live 2-3 persons/per room,   HOW and WHEN do they masturbate? its serious question
[00:41] <bandit5432> kick him please
[00:41] <TadekMocarz> ?
[00:41] <bandit5432> where is a op when you need one
[00:41] <lewellyn> and doesn't ubuntu ship with sudoedit?
[00:41] <TadekMocarz> why kick me
[00:41] <BaconAttack_> hey guys, right now i'm sitting at my server prompt. i want to install gnome so i have a gui for other people to use when they need to remote in with vnc. should i just install gnome-shell ? or the ubuntu-desktop?
[00:42] <BaconAttack_> its mainly for file serving and hosting a minecraft server so i dont need anything extra in it
[00:42] <TadekMocarz> will anybody answer my question, PLEAZE
[00:42] <bohemian9485> !info gnome-shell
[00:42] <bandit5432> lewellyn, i dont know what sudo edit is
[00:43] <TadekMocarz> i was always interested in this mystery:  when there are students, and they live 2-3 persons/per room,   HOW and WHEN do they masturbate? its serious question
[00:43] <bandit5432> so sad no ops :C
[00:43] <gohdan> BaconAttack_: might want something more light and simple like 'twm'
[00:43] <TadekMocarz> WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NIGGER AND THE BARREL OF SHIT
[00:43] <bastidrazor> !ops | TadekMocarz
[00:43] <lewellyn> bandit5432: in source distributions of sudo (such as on other platforms), it creates a sudoedit wrapper that copies the file to $TEMP, launches an unprivileged editor, then copies the file back with the same permissions
[00:44] <bandit5432> elky, ty!
[00:44] <lewellyn> bandit5432: it was my attempt to help whoever's trying to edit a root-owned file. :)
[00:44] <zerovin> mornin all :)
[00:45] <BaconAttack_> gohdan what is twm?
[00:45] <gohdan> BaconAttack_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/twm
[00:45] <bandit5432> lewellyn, i just sudo and then edit the file i want
[00:45] <lewellyn> bandit5432: that's less secure than running an unprivileged editor :)
[00:46] <BaconAttack_> thanks
[00:46] <GreekFreak> escott, doing gksudo filename asked for a password and showed nothing. And why should I never sudo with gvim?
[00:46] <gohdan> think it comes with a stock install of X
[00:46] <escott> !gksudo | GreekFreak
[00:47] <bastidrazor> GreekFreak: gksudo gvim filename
[00:47] <gohdan> BaconAttack_: ^^ might want to verify on your own though
[00:47] <engineglue1> hey guys. Have you every heard of a server blocking an IP address after you do a tracert?
[00:47] <escott> bastidrazor, thanks was paying more attention to my dinner
[00:47] <GreekFreak> escott, bastidrazor, thanks
[00:47]  * lewellyn is one of those old-school people who believes in "run with least possible privileges" and therefore prefers things like sudoedit over sudo $EDITOR ;)
[00:48] <bandit5432> lewellyn, there is no root user so its not really a big deal i would think
[00:48] <zerovin> visudo
[00:48] <rebe> is there any shortcut to switch tabs in terminal ?
[00:48] <lewellyn> zerovin: that's an alternate name, yes. thanks for confirming the ubuntu name :)
[00:48] <dusktreader> can anyone help me with an install problem on an Acer notebook?
[00:48] <quiescens> sudoedit is unlikely to be any better unless you actually go to the effort of limiting which files can be editted
[00:48] <escott> bandit5432, there is a root user, its just not possible to login interactively from a login prompt
[00:49] <spacetiger> Hi. I have a windows+ubuntu dual boot system, with one partition (Storage) shared. When I try to mount the partition on Ubuntu, I get an error - "ERROR: real size does not equal to size (0 !=<PHONE_NUMBER>)." This problem has appeared only today.
[00:49] <zerovin> welcome
[00:49] <lewellyn> bandit5432: but your editor still has superuser rights and has things like your $HOME. this can cause lots of "fun" as collateral damage if you go and save new settings in your editor or something
[00:49] <bandit5432> lewellyn, i know i do that all the time locked my self out of x this weekend because .Xauthority was owned by root all good fun
[00:50] <gohdan> rebe: if youre using gnome-terminal it is ctrl+pgup ctrl+pgdn
[00:50] <Jocker> Hi All
[00:50] <lewellyn> bandit5432: all the more reason to try to avoid more privileges than absolutely needed ;)
[00:50] <Jocker> Inees cc Please
[00:50] <bandit5432> lewellyn, if i want really secure i just run windows 8.... joke :P
[00:51] <lewellyn> bandit5432: don't ask for my uname from the box that's connected to my irssi ;)
[00:51] <Jocker> lol
[00:51] <dusktreader> can anyone help with a problem booting to a fresh install on a notebook?
[00:51] <dusktreader> i have a fun "operating system not found" error
[00:51] <GreekFreak> escott, this is the error it gives me if I run 'sudo /root/background_work.cron_jobs' :    /root/background_work.cron_jobs: line 3: /log/cron_log.log: No such file or directory
[00:51] <rebe> gohdan: thanks, I also found out, that alt + *tab number* works
[00:51] <lewellyn> dusktreader: do you have multiple disks?
[00:51] <GreekFreak> ^ It's like it ignored the cd again
[00:52] <dusktreader> yeah
[00:52] <lewellyn> dusktreader: try setting the bios to boot off the other one ;)
[00:52] <dusktreader> i have bios setup to install off of the hdd where i installed ubuntu
[00:52] <escott> GreekFreak, /var/log
[00:52] <dusktreader> and i've tried explicitly selecting it from the f12 menu as well
[00:52] <lewellyn> dusktreader: you're 120% sure that's where your grub is?
[00:52] <dusktreader> yeah
[00:53] <dusktreader> /dev/sda
[00:53] <lewellyn> that's why i said boot off the other, to make sure things went as you expected :)
[00:53] <dusktreader> which is my hdd
[00:53] <dusktreader> with ubuntu
[00:53] <bohemian9485> i'm wondering why the update manager did a kernel update to 3.2.0-24-generic-pae when my kernel is already that version? the update concerns about some cairo-dock plug-ins, does that have anything to do with the kernel update?
[00:53] <lewellyn> grr.
[00:53] <spacetiger> Anyone?
[00:53] <dusktreader> it kept trying to boot from pxe, then I disabled network boot
[00:53] <lewellyn> i have no spare machines i can put the burnt livecd into :/
[00:53] <bandit5432> lewellyn, virtualbox it
[00:54] <gohdan> rebe: awesome. thats much faster
[00:54] <GreekFreak> escott, there's nothing in there. Or are you implying that I should cd into there?
[00:54] <naxil2_> hello
[00:54] <lewellyn> bandit5432: i accidentally clicked to update vmware, and it wants me to reboot first now. stupid junk :/
[00:54] <naxil2_> i need a simple help
[00:54] <GreekFreak> escott, by nothing, I mean nothing about cron
[00:54] <gohdan> !ask | naxil2_
[00:54] <naxil2_> i want disconnect pp0 if the bandwith is less of 10kb/ for 10min (example) what i can do?
[00:56] <nickmarx> Question: I'm trying to create a bootable ubuntu disk to be used for booting on a mac, and then formating the hard drive
[00:56] <bandit5432> reminds self never open .xsession-errors
[00:57] <nickmarx> the usb stick is made correctly I believe but on restart it doesn't get recognized as a bootable option
[00:57] <escott> GreekFreak, there is no /log folder. you want /var/log
[00:57] <bandit5432> nickmarx, are you holding down the C key?
[00:57] <nickmarx> No I've been doing option
[00:57] <naxil2_> is possible program the pp0 to disconnect if the bandwith is less of 10kb/s?
[00:58] <nickmarx> I have my harddrive partitioned and it shows the two sections but not the usb stick
[00:58] <GreekFreak> escott, but I cd'ed into a different location, where there is a log folder
[00:58] <spacetiger> Need help! I get an error - "ERROR: real size does not equal to size (0 !=<PHONE_NUMBER>)." when I try to mount a shared partition (shared by Windows and Ubuntu on my dual boot system). This problem has appeared only today.
[00:58] <escott> GreekFreak, you specified a full path /log/something. so it uses the full path
[00:59] <GreekFreak> escott, is it not relative?
[00:59] <yakko> can anybody name a good salary rate for senior developer in London?
[00:59] <escott> GreekFreak, it starts with a slash
[00:59] <GreekFreak> escott, thanx
[00:59] <bandit5432> nickmarx, try holding down C
[01:00] <bandit5432> nickmarx, i assume its an intel mac if so see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1533
[01:00] <bandit5432> any one using monitor profiling with 12.04?
[01:00] <nickmarx> bandit5432, ahhhh thanks I'll be that will do it
[01:01] <dusktreader> I installed 12.04 x64 on a new Acer Aspire with an AMD a6. Re organized partition on my main HDD to keep windows.  Selected the HDD as the location for the boot loader.  Installed.  At boot, after posting it just reports Operating System not found.  When I select HDD from the from th f12 boot menu, it works for a minute, and then goes back to the f12 menu.  I've tried reinstalling twice with the same results.  Does anyone have
[01:01] <bandit5432> nickmarx, hope it works
[01:01] <escott> dusktreader, new ?=? efi
[01:02] <dusktreader> escott, what?
[01:03] <escott> dusktreader, is it an uefi system? did it have a efi partition when you were repartitioning
[01:03] <dusktreader> @escott, I don't know
[01:03] <dusktreader> how do I check?
[01:05] <GreekFreak> escott, thank you very much for your help. I owe you the preverbial beer
[01:06] <escott> dusktreader, what does sudo parted -l /dev/sda say?
[01:06] <escott> dusktreader, in particular the "Partition Table: ????" line
[01:06] <dusktreader> one minute....
[01:07] <dusktreader> booting from live cd
[01:07] <dusktreader> what should it say?
[01:07] <escott> dusktreader, if it says "gpt" and windows boots then it is an efi system
[01:07] <dusktreader> oh, crap....got to go... =[
[01:07] <dusktreader> thanks, I'll check that out later!
[01:13] <naxil2_> hello
[01:15] <GreekFreak> escott, why would I get permission denied, if I'm running something as sudo? (I'm still battling that script, but now I'm trying to run script/rails from it)
[01:15] <casey9> what is the paste shortcut in terminal
[01:16] <escott> GreekFreak, what are the permissions of the folder
[01:17] <naxil2_> Greekfreak u know some script for disconnect/shutdown pc > if bandwith < 10kb/sec?
[01:18] <GreekFreak> naxil2_, sorry my man. no. You'll need to find something that can tell you what your bandwidth is at any time
[01:19] <naxil2_> yes i have found bmon
[01:19] <naxil2_> but i can't do the script iam noob
[01:20] <GreekFreak> escott, script folder is theo:theo with 'create & delete/None/None' and the script/rails file is the same
[01:20] <escott> naxil2_, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
[01:21] <naxil2_> escott and after this? i want do a disconnect or shutdown with if to bandwith
[01:21] <escott> GreekFreak, honestly i would recommend reading the permissions documentation
[01:21] <escott> !permissions | GreekFreak
[01:22] <Prodigal> any suggestions why BT5 is giving me a NAME_REGEX error in BT5 when i adduser?
[01:22] <naxil2_> yes escott i have bmon
[01:23] <invisiblek> having problems with openvpn. i can't get tun to work properly. seems there isn't a tun.ko anywhere...
[01:23] <escott> naxil2_, while /bin/true; do bandwith=`bmon command`; if $( bandwidth -le VALUE ) then shutdown -h now; fi; sleep SOMETHING; done
[01:23] <Fat-Thing> is it safe to completely remove kde stuffs installed on my ubuntu 10.04? i found some that are installed using synaptic package manager
[01:23] <escott> !backtrack | Prodigal
[01:24] <Prodigal> ok thanks
[01:25] <alusion> before I install the amd proprietary drivers, any warnings or known bugs?
[01:25] <Golfgeo> Hi all
[01:26] <escott> alusion, yes
[01:26] <Golfgeo> Got a silly question... NVIDIA proprietary drivers... which one to activate in 12.04... the
[01:27] <alusion> yes, so there are known issues..
[01:27] <Polah> Golfgeo, post-release updates.
[01:27] <alusion> I wanted to test 3d on my linux machine as i heard their newer drivers would support it
[01:27] <escott> alusion, there are known issues either way
[01:27] <Golfgeo> Got a silly question... NVIDIA proprietary drivers... which one to activate in 12.04... the "(version current)" or "post-release updates)(version current-updates)"?
[01:28] <Golfgeo> Polah: the post-release updates version is the newer one, right?
[01:28] <szal> Golfgeo: depends on your gfx card
[01:28] <Golfgeo> since it's not "recommended" i'm hesitant...
[01:28] <alusion> is it even worth having a 6850 in a linux box?
[01:28] <alusion> lol.
[01:29] <L3top> Golfgeo: nvidia-current-updates
[01:29] <Golfgeo> crapper, I hate selecting drivers for vid-cards, had to many negative experiances..
[01:30] <alusion> ^ I feel your pain..
[01:30] <Golfgeo> k, will try the nvidia-current-updates :-)
[01:30] <L3top> Golfgeo: the 295.40 driver has regression issues.
[01:30] <Fat-Thing> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000084/ <-- escott this are the list of my installed apps, i dunno how i got so many wondering how i got it installed in my system but pls tell me which one is safe to remove
[01:30] <Golfgeo> Thanks guy's! :-)
[01:30] <L3top> yw
[01:30] <Golfgeo> L3top: regression issues hmm, Don't like the sound of that haha
[01:31] <Golfgeo> me is off and thanks! :-D
[01:31] <ejo> DarwinSurvivor: yesterday, when I thought CCSM and other tweak tools were failing to adjust my Launcher opacity... it was just that the launcher was black over black background, and Unity's launcher has a certain minimum opacity (i.e. maximum transparency) limit that interacted with that to make it appear as if no change was made.
[01:31] <ejo> So, it works :P
[01:32] <bandit5432> nvidia 302.11 seem to be running ok
[01:33] <Draton> Hey guys, quick question: Does anyone have any recommendation for a vnc server?  I've tried the one that ubuntu includes but it doesn't give me the option to tweak some of the more bandwidth-hogging items
[01:37] <noobita69> quit
[01:38] <GG111> where can I download the full DVD of Ubuntu 12.04 , not just the live CD ?
[01:41] <naxil2_> goodnight
[01:41] <randomDude> I'm having alot of problems getting ldap authentication to work with 12.04, previously on 10.04, 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 i was able to use zentyal-desktop to streamline the process of setting up ldap login on our workstations, however on 12.04 this zentyal-desktop does all the things it did before, no errrors.... but now lightdm login just shows the wallpaper or a black screen.
[01:42] <rebe> why opening new tab in terminal creates those ugly thick edges ?
[01:43] <Nach0z> Because it dislikes everyone
[01:47] <donnie> Does anyone in here use Linux on a Powerpc?
[01:48] <donnie> I have a Power Mac G5 which has Debian installed on it. I cannot install any updates.
[01:48] <cipher__> i need an equalizer (some ability to adjust bass), was wondering if anyone can help
[01:48] <bazhang> donnie, #debian
[01:48] <donnie> Tried that.
[01:48] <donnie> Nobody answered.
[01:48] <bazhang> donnie, it's not supported here, so dont ask
[01:49] <halakar> hey guise - need to make a DVD with Ubuntu - playable in a DVD player...best program?  I have a bunch of quicktime movies I want to slap on there.
[01:49] <bazhang> halakar, devede perhaps, though not heard of using mov before. perhaps convert with ffmpeg or handbrake first
[01:50] <halakar> may i do all of this through a GUI ?
[01:50] <bazhang> halakar, handbrake has a gui
[01:50] <cipher__> i'm installing realtek drivers for alsa atm
[01:50] <halakar> neat.  I come from the land of KDE - there was something called K9Copy or perhaps avidemux ?
[01:50] <donnie> I suppose that's an easy way of saying "I don't know" I will deal with it. Thanks for being SO POLITE.
[01:51] <bandit5432> donnie i have used it whats the questoin you have?
[01:51] <bazhang> donnie, no, this is ubuntu only support, NOT debian. they have a channel for support :   #debian
[01:51] <bazhang> bandit5432, feel free to take this to #debian
[01:52] <cipher__> good idea, i'll ask #debian
[01:52] <bandit5432> bazhang, he didnt ask a question yet maye he wants to switch to ubuntu
[01:52] <spacetiger> Need help! I get an error - "ERROR: real size does not equal to size (0 !=<PHONE_NUMBER>)." when I try to mount a shared partition (shared by Windows and Ubuntu on my dual boot system).
[01:52] <bazhang> bandit5432, he did. please take it to #debian if you wish to support him
[01:53] <donnie> Well, I'm using Debian so.....
[01:53] <donnie> On a Power Mac G5
[01:53] <bandit5432> sorry donnit i sent you pm
[01:53] <bazhang> !ot | donnie
[01:53] <bandit5432> its not polite to talk about linux here only ubuntu
[01:54] <donnie> I use Ubuntu as well.
[01:54] <bandit5432> :C
[01:55] <cipher__> so i installed realtek audio drivers and atm have no sound
[01:55] <bandit5432> i forgot why i stopped hanging out here i remember now
[01:55] <cipher__> which are the drivers my system uses on windows
[01:56] <cipher__> for example, alsamixer when opened throws this error: 'cannot open mixer: no such device"
[01:57] <halakar> bazhang, I cannot locate a package called Handbrake in the software center.
[01:57] <noahnoah> Question about VNC Servers:   I just installed 12.04, and want to host a VNC server on it for remote connections (Either from my local network, or possibly over SSH.)  What is the "best" vnc server software package?  Suggestions?
[01:57] <szal> !info handbrake
[01:57] <bazhang> !handbrake | halakar there is also a PPA
[01:58] <Etale> Nobody is answering my question in the Windows chatroom, so I figured I'd ask here since my question is about a dual boot system.
[01:58] <Etale> Okay, I was here a few hours ago, but here's the quick version. I just got a Lenovo thinkpad that came with their version of Windows 7. There a Windows partition, a recovery partition, and a system_drv partition (whatever that means). I want to first install the official windows7 (instead of the Lenovo version), and then shrink Windows' partition to 100GB, and create an ext4 partition for Ubuntu, and an NTFS partition for storage (~300GB).
[01:59] <Etale> Would I have to get the recovery partition into a DVD? Or is it okay to start installing the official version without creating a recovery DVD?
[01:59] <bazhang> Etale, boot from livecd, or with gparted livecd, as for windows issues try in ##windows
[02:00] <cipher__> i suppose no-one can help me with my lack of sound?
[02:00] <Etale> In ##windows nobody is answering...
[02:00] <bazhang> Etale, then wait a moment, its been just a couple of minutes since you asked, and this is NOT windows support
[02:00] <Etale> cipher__, what do you see in alsamixer?
[02:00] <OccupyDemonoid> Hello, what would be the easiest to share files between two computers in a network? Setting up an FTP server or Samba server?
[02:00] <szal> Etale: the recovery partition would restore the machine to the custom Dell version anyway, so you decide what you do there.. and getting no answer in the right place is no excuse for going off-topic elsewhere
[02:01] <cipher__> Etale, alsamixer cannot open, 'no such device'
[02:01] <OerHeks> Etale, all pre-installed windows pc's have asked me to create a recovery dvd, do that first
[02:01] <Etale> szal, it's about a dual boot system. So I figured it's okay for both.
[02:01] <cipher__> Etale, installed (tried to) realtek hd audio drivers
[02:02] <szal> Etale: other than that, why not pre-partition? way easier than shrinking a non-empty partition
[02:02] <Etale> szal, what do you mean?
[02:03] <szal> Etale: wipe the disk, either all of it or sans the recovery partition, then create a partition layout to your liking & use that to install your OSes on
[02:04] <Etale> By wipe out do you mean format, szal?
[02:04] <szal> Etale: delete & create new
[02:04] <bazhang> Etale, as I said, using the livecd or the gparted live cd from the very first
[02:04] <szal> formatting alone doesn't change the partition layout
[02:04] <OccupyDemonoid> What is the easiest way to share files over a network?
[02:05] <cipher__> can anyone help me with re-achieving sound
[02:05] <Gushings> I'm trying to build a high end computer, and it must run ubuntu.
[02:05] <Etale> bazhang, part of the issue is that I want to reinstall windows to get rid of the Lenovo stuff...
[02:05] <Gushings> How can I figure out if particular components will be compatible?
[02:05] <OccupyDemonoid> cipher__, have you tried Alsa?
[02:05] <szal> !hcl | Gushings
[02:05] <bazhang> Etale, and what I said will accomplish that
[02:05] <Gushings> Thank you.
[02:06] <cipher__> I installed realtek audio drivers for alsa, it apparently did not work, and i have no 'sound devices'
[02:06] <HaPK_PerCar> hey, I have a couple of questions regarding sound. 1) how do I do a recording of my desktop and all that's passing trough my soundcard at the same time? 2) How do I hear what's comming from the Line In?
[02:07] <Etale> You mean a windows livecd?
[02:07] <Etale> (bazhang)
[02:07] <bazhang> Etale, of course no, an ubuntu livecd
[02:08] <Etale> How would an ubuntu livecd help me accomplish a reinstallation of Windows as well? I figured I should reinstall Windows first because otherwise it would nuke the boot.
[02:08] <bazhang> Etale, it has gparted on it, thats how
[02:09] <Gushings> Hm
[02:09] <Etale> bazhang, walk me through it. I install Ubuntu, use gparted to partition, and then install the official version of Windows? Wouldn't that destroy the boot?
[02:10] <bazhang> Etale, no. you partition first using gparted, install windows, then finally install Ubuntu.
[02:10] <Etale> Oh, gotcha.
[02:10] <Etale> And I use the partitioning from the gparted which I will get from the Ubuntu livecd.
[02:11] <bazhang> Etale, or from a gparted livecd
[02:11] <opakavic> guys i recently upgraded to 12.04 from 11.10, and now after restart system hangs up
[02:11] <randomDude> lvm home recipe on a machine with only 2gb of ram always sets the machine up to fail (it will freeze)
[02:11] <Etale> Right!
[02:11] <opakavic> ?
[02:11] <opakavic> i need my system back with datas
[02:12] <bazhang> opakavic, install from backups
[02:12] <opakavic> bazhang: if install a new one on the same place, my data wouldn't lost right?
[02:13] <opakavic> i mean the new one is 12.04
[02:13] <bazhang> opakavic, sure it would. did you create a separate home partition?
[02:13] <opakavic> bazhang: no :(
[02:13] <opakavic> home has so many wanted files :(
[02:13] <opakavic> any help , please do
[02:15] <opakavic> bazhang: there is no separate home partition
[02:17] <bazhang> opakavic, in future it would be a good idea to have one. for now, just install all the backups of the important data you had
[02:17] <robertzaccour> What can I use in Ubuntu to make 3D video graphics? Preferably something easy to learn.
[02:18] <opakavic> bazhang: see the worst part is, i did a blind upgrade with a single backup !
[02:18] <peterl> test
[02:18] <opakavic> bazhang: see the worst part is, i did a blind upgrade without a single backup !
[02:18] <bazhang> opakavic, well then learn to backup important data; if you do not back it up, that can happen
[02:19] <opakavic> yes!
[02:19] <opakavic> what if i now do a new installation on the same place !, my home folder ?
[02:20] <Star2012> <trophies> who is in ##Hardware  needs a ban !
[02:20] <lng> hi! how to list current video driver?
[02:22] <Star2012> done !
[02:22] <Smashcat> Hi - can anyone tell me how to get 12.04 to boot in text mode only? Seems to ignore the inittab
[02:22] <peterl> opakavic: if you did an upgrade, then even if the os is corrupt, your files are still there, just put the hard drive into another machine
[02:23] <peterl> or did i miss an important part of this conversation?
[02:23] <robertzaccour> What can I use in Ubuntu to make 3D video graphics? Preferably something easy to learn.
[02:24] <bazhang> !nox | Smashcat
[02:24] <peterl> robertzaccour: Blender
[02:24] <Smashcat> bazhang: thanks
[02:24] <ozzloy> http://pastebin.com/ZKXW2TQC how do i fix this?
[02:25] <robertzaccour> peterl, I'm looking for something easy to use. Took 1 look at blender and got intimidated tbh haha
[02:26] <opakavic> bazhang, are you there
[02:26] <Smashcat> bazhang: That will only start in text mode for that boot though right? I wish to start in text mode automatically every time. I don't need X at all on this
[02:26] <Playtime> Hey guys, I hope this is the place to ask, but I can't install Ububtu, using Wubi, when expanding files, it spews fourth an error. Upon installing via  burnt ISO it simply locks up during installation.  What might be possible fixes?
[02:26] <bazhang> Smashcat, you wish to never have an xserver?
[02:26] <Smashcat> bazhang: yes
[02:27] <peterl> robertzaccour: i've never personally found an easy way to do 3d video, or at least to do it well, any easier package i have seen is highly restrictive, i understand your reservations though
[02:28] <Smashcat> bazhang: This machine is going to run headless, so there's no point in running X at boot
[02:28] <randomDude> the lvm expert_recipie section of this page doesn't work : https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html
[02:28] <randomDude> using it results in a red screen during debian-installer preseed
[02:28] <ubuntu_lombok> help me..!! compiz can't run in my ubuntu 12.04
[02:29] <robertzaccour> peterl, whats the name of the easier one you're thinking of?
[02:29] <bobby> Hey I just installed 12.04 lts and I still have 11.10 installed but there is data in 11.10  that i want to bring into 12.04  What is an easy way to do this? My data is in pictures in documents and a few other random places
[02:30] <Smashcat> bazhang: I'm going to modify grub - hopefully that'll do it!... rebooting...
[02:31] <Playtime> Anyone?
[02:32] <Donnie_Darko21> hello can anyone tell me software for converting doc to odt
[02:32] <szal> Donnie_Darko21: LibreOffice?
[02:32] <peterl> robertzaccour: come to think of it, they were windows platform anyway, though from a quick search around, some people suggest moonlight 3d, i can't vouch for it myself, but i can suggest you have a look, from what i've skipped through it seems to be a less bewildering version of blender
[02:33] <grant_> exit
[02:33] <szal> Playtime: don't use Wubi, free some space on your HDD & do a real install
[02:33] <Playtime> It locks up when installing via ISO
[02:34] <robertzaccour> thanks
[02:34] <robertzaccour> is moonlight 3d in the repos?
[02:34] <Sarazar> Playtime: Try VirtualBox and test it in a Virtual Instance.
[02:34] <Donnie_Darko21> damn i delete libre and istall open because of lack power ram etc  i need simple converter szal
[02:35] <Jorsch> hey, need a little help here.....trying to do an apt-get update and it is stuck on updating likewise-open: /usr/sbin/lwsmd --start-as-daemon returned 1....
[02:35] <Playtime> Trying it now.
[02:36] <lng> how to list current video driver?
[02:36] <szal> Playtime: (1) make sure you got no download errors by verifying checksums; (2) make sure you got no burning errors by verifying after burning; (3) make sure the disk is not compromised in any way by running the self-test options after booting from the CD ("Check for errors" or something to that sense)
[02:37] <zykotick9> lng: if you have an idea what to look for you could try xorg log files or sure-fire "lspci -vnvn" find the VGA section and "Kernel driver in use:" line
[02:37] <lng> zykotick9: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Caicos [Radeon HD 6450]
[02:37] <Donnie_Darko21> libreoffice is just better in look openoffice is more productive i used last time online converter and imports 100 percent before that i used to open with openoffice writer but dont loads 100 percent it loads 99 the jpg or the pic was not loaded
[02:38] <zykotick9> lng: ati=i'm out.  good luck.
[02:38] <lng> zykotick9: k tnx
[02:39] <Donnie_Darko21> anyone know software : converter doc to odt
[02:39] <Donnie_Darko21> cant find
[02:43] <zykotick9> Donnie_Darko21: that's not an easy conversion.  especially if docx.  libreoffice would be my suggestion
[02:44] <Frankye1> hey guys i got this hacker is really ridicolous, i think it is a policeman or something like that, this retard put something into my hardware and he wanna stop me to learn computers and do friends on internet couse i cant remove it... this guy is totally retard and i cant remove him from my computer anyone want help me?
[02:45] <Jordan_U> Donnie_Darko21: Why can't you use Libre Office?
[02:46] <Frankye1> he told me he want destroy me, and he is able to stop my internet working etc couse he can trace me via this thing into hardware, a retard who got a very dangerous tool and he use this shit to have power, a fukin retard
[02:46] <bazhang> Frankye1, ##hardware
[02:46] <bazhang> Frankye1, not an ubuntu issue, and stop cursing
[02:46] <Donnie_Darko21> i get mad becuase i imported some easy files and libre wrriter get crush and i installed openoffice
[02:47] <Dios|> When you dual boot Ubuntu, are you supposed to be able to automatically access files from Windows?
[02:48] <krababbel> Dios|: I think, it puts the other partitions under /media, yes
[02:48] <zykotick9> Dios|: Windows->Ubuntu or Ubuntu->Windows?  ubuntu should be able to mount your windows partitions, but windows can't mount ubuntu's partitions
[02:49] <Dios|> Uhhh, not entirely sure what you mean, zykotick9
[02:49] <Dios|> But
[02:49] <Dios|> I had Windows installed first
[02:49] <Dios|> Then Ubuntu
[02:49] <Dios|> If that's what you mean
[02:49] <zykotick9> Dios|: ;) i'm not sure what you mean
[02:50] <Dios|> Basically
[02:50] <Dios|> Few weeks ago
[02:50] <Dios|> I installed Ubuntu
[02:50] <Dios|> Using a windows installer
[02:50] <bazhang> Dios|, stop with th e enter key
[02:50] <zykotick9> !enter | Dios|
[02:50] <Dios|> Called Wubi I think
[02:50] <Dios|> kk
[02:50] <zykotick9> Wubi
[02:51] <Nk26> Hello is there anyway to rollback an update I did on a package? or how can i force an install if i redownloaded the correct .deb
[02:51] <Dios|> So I used Wubi I guess to dual boot Ubuntu. I am completely new to Ubuntu, so I am bad at navigating it and I haven't used it in a long time. I couldn't access any music, pictures, documents, etc. Is that normal?
[02:52] <Nk26> I'm getting a "is not co-installable with" error when i try and use dpkg
[02:52] <Donnie_Darko21> maybe fresh libreoffice install will be more better
[02:52] <table9> Everything else being equal, would it be worth $120 to exchange a laptop with 15.6" 720p (1366 x 768) screen and a 2nd gen Intel Core i5-2450M (2.50GHz 3MB L3 Cache - 2 Cores plus Hyperthreading) processor  for one with 15.6" 1080p (1920 x 1080) screen and a 3rd gen Intel Core i7-3610QM (2.30GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading) processor? Both systems are going to run Ubuntu.
[02:53] <zykotick9> Nk26: FYI in any Deb based system, downgrading is an unsupported (DO AT YOUR OWN RISK) sorta thing.  the scripts that update config and other files are all one way... just saying "be careful"
[02:53] <bazhang> table9, ##hardware , or #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:53] <table9> Thanks.
[02:53] <Nk26> I just updated to a borked verion of mediainfo and im trying to get the non borked version lol
[02:53] <bazhang> Dios|, wubi is not a true dual boot
[02:53] <bazhang> Nk26, installed from where.
[02:54] <Dios|> Yeah, I tried to do it the "real" way, but it was giving me weird problems
[02:54] <Nk26> I forgot to remove the repo, so it updated from the repo. I just redownloaded the old version
[02:54] <bazhang> Nk26, what repo, from where
[02:55] <Nk26> bazhang ppa:shiki/mediainfo
[02:55] <bazhang> Nk26, contact the PPA maintainer
[02:56] <bazhang> Nk26, in the mean time use ppa-purge to get rid of that ppa
[02:56] <bazhang> !ppa-purge | Nk26
[02:57] <Nk26> ok thanks
[02:59] <c_smith> does anyone here know the environment variable to use Wine without ALSA?
[02:59] <c_smith> *without Pulse, my bad
[02:59] <bazhang> c_smith, try in #winehq
[02:59] <c_smith> bazhang, already there, the place is dead. :(
[03:01] <naryfa> hi
[03:02] <vicatcu> wilee-nilee: are you around?
[03:02] <mombo00> how could I see the copy speed (MB/s) for a transfert using cp?
[03:03] <robertzaccour> I'm trying to figure how to run an iso in virtualbox without having to burn it to a disc
[03:03] <vicatcu> my ubuntu installation is in a partial upgrade (from 11.10 to 12.04), can anyone help me repair it?
[03:03] <robertzaccour> vicatcu, update and upgrade? that or install fresh
[03:05] <vicatcu> robertzaccour: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000164/
[03:06] <naryfa> weird
[03:06] <Playtime> Okay, I just burnt another ISO onto my disc and tried once again.
[03:06] <zykotick9> mombo00: you could install iotop for a cli view of your drive i/o (requires sudo to run).  i use the very old-school gkrellm for an xorg meter with all my drives' throughputs.
[03:06] <naryfa> vicatcu: did you try via synaptic?
[03:06] <vicatcu> naryfa: I guess I don't know how to do that
[03:07] <Playtime> Got into the trial/install options.  Selected trial, it ran perfectly, hit install, chose inside windows 7, it said remove installation media and hit enter.  Doing so just booted up windows and ran wubi, wubi will always give me an error durnig expanding.
[03:08] <vicatcu> naryfa: what is synaptic?
[03:08] <mombo00> zykotick9: k, I was more looking at a simple cli tool like time but for speed
[03:08] <Playtime> It's a trackpad driver, if I'm not mistaken.
[03:08] <zykotick9> mombo00: i'm not aware of any.  i'd be interested though ;)
[03:09] <naryfa> vicatcu: it's a very good package manager
[03:09] <naryfa> vicatcu: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:09]  * zykotick9 thinks apt-get and apt-cache makes a really great package manager ;)
[03:10] <vicatcu> naryfa: ok installing
[03:10] <Playtime> This is going to be my 19th time getting this same error now, and it's really starting to piss me off.
[03:11] <naryfa> zykotick9: I'm glad it works for you
[03:11] <zykotick9> naryfa: works for you too ;) you installed synaptic with it
[03:11] <vicatcu> naryfa: ok it's installed and i just did a reload...
[03:11] <jiltdil> how to  change the directory using inode value ?
[03:12] <vicatcu> naryfa: so how does this make things better :)
[03:12] <zykotick9> jiltdil: i don't think that makes much sense.  directories are stored in inodes (or some other filesystem metadata)
[03:12] <naryfa> vicatcu: you should have a filter on the left saying "upgradable" or something like that
[03:12] <zykotick9> jiltdil: inodes for files i could see
[03:13] <vicatcu> naryfa: yup found it
[03:13] <mombo00> zykotick9: seems like pv -p might work, haven't understood a way to connect it to cp tho
[03:13] <naryfa> vicatcu: also see if you have a filter called "broken" or something like that, I'm not on Ubuntu so I don't remember exactly the names
[03:13] <uw> hi!
[03:14] <uw> data throughput question:
[03:14] <uw> ugh from computer to computer, I can only get about 40MB/s for a file transfer using SCP.  can someone verify this is reasonable?  iperf tops out at 110-115MB/s.  I have people keep telling me it's all encryption overhead.
[03:14] <robertzaccour> does VirtualBox use the allocated RAM when its not running?
[03:14] <zykotick9> mombo00: is pv a command?
[03:14] <vicatcu> naryfa: nothing shows up under broken
[03:14] <uw> robertzaccour, i believe it does reserve it yes
[03:14] <naryfa> vicatcu: try to mark all upgradable and see if it will take them
[03:14] <uw> meaning you cant use it while it is allocated to a running guest OS
[03:15] <robertzaccour> uw, you mean that I'm not running full system specs when VB is closed?
[03:15] <uw> if the vms are ON, you are not running full system spec
[03:15] <mombo00> zykotick9: yea I'm still trying to figure out the manual
[03:15] <uw> if the VMs are off, you should have all of the RAM installed available to the host system
[03:15] <robertzaccour> uw, what about after its turned off?
[03:16] <vicatcu> naryfa: Could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade.... libjpeg62-dev:
[03:16] <robertzaccour> uw, oh ok thanks.   I can't get Ubuntu.
[03:16] <naryfa> vicatcu: is that the exact line? or did you truncate it?
[03:16] <uw> robertzaccour, no prob
[03:16] <zykotick9> mombo00: ahhh "pv - Shell pipeline element to meter data passing through" interesting.
[03:16] <krababbel> robertzaccour: I've never seen the vbox process use all the memory it can have
[03:16] <naryfa> Playtime: don't give up, ever
[03:17] <uw> Playtime, its not for everybody
[03:17] <vicatcu> naryfa, actually i just clicked the Mark All Upgrades button just now and I got a subset of entries highlighted, so just click Apply?
[03:17] <Playtime> I've seen the same error 20 times in a row now, regardless of what is done.  Assistance is unheard of.  I'm done.
[03:17] <naryfa> vicatcu: try
[03:18] <naryfa> Playtime: what error is that
[03:18] <uw> Playtime, you mean "free Assistance" is unheard of
[03:18] <sary> Playtime: what stopping you to make a native installation for a dual boot system!
[03:18] <vicatcu> naryfa: ok it's going... exciting...
[03:18]  * vicatcu is easily amused
[03:18] <uw> people have lives too you know.  sorry people cant drop everything to fix your problem.
[03:18] <Playtime> http://puu.sh/w4HQ
[03:19] <Guest99413> how to  change the directory using inode value ?
[03:19] <naryfa> uw: don't be so hard
[03:19] <Playtime> It's not only here, I've been many places. This is my fourth month of trying this.
[03:19] <Brustofski> trying to use testdisk.. all i can find is how to recover lost partition table... need to recover file... formated the wrong drive
[03:19] <sary> Wubi is a truoblesome when it comes to installation , update/upgrade.
[03:19] <naryfa> Playtime: do you only try wubi installer?
[03:19] <uw> Playtime, is that a windows window there?
[03:19] <uw> what are you trying to do?
[03:19] <naryfa> Playtime: I would highly recommend putting the ISO on a USB stick,
[03:19] <zykotick9> Brustofski: for files use photorec (it's part of testdisk) - it does more then photos ;)
[03:19] <gbc> Wubi??
[03:19] <vicatcu> sary: why does one choose Wubi over dual boot
[03:20] <wifioregon> Hi. On 10.04 what is the best way to add music to an IPOD touch?  I tried dragging and dropping music with rhythymbox but its not working. :-(
[03:20] <Playtime> I burnt the ISO onto a disc
[03:20] <Playtime> Boot from CD drive
[03:20] <Playtime> Install from there
[03:20] <Playtime> It then boots up windows
[03:20] <Playtime> and runs Wubi
[03:20] <gbc>  I had better luck with wubi than with a regular install.
[03:20] <bazhang> Playtime, stop with the enter key
[03:20] <sary> vicatcu: i don't know ,thats way i was asking Playtime
[03:20] <naryfa> Playtime: you have to run your computer from the CD itself
[03:20] <Brustofski> zykotick9, do i gota install it.. or just put in a command
[03:20] <Smashcat> Is there something I need to install to allow Ubuntu 12.04 to see a 3TB disk?
[03:20] <Playtime> I did.
[03:21] <zykotick9> Brustofski: if you have testdisk it's probably there
[03:21] <sary> gbc: then look out for the truoblesome when updaing/upgrading your ubuntu box.
[03:21] <naryfa> Playtime: if you did, it would've booted to LIVE Ubuntu image, not Windows
[03:21] <gbc>  but somehow I hosed it all up in the booting functions now I have a 20GB "disk" in the windows Dir I cant get into.
[03:21] <uw> Playtime, do you have grub installed?  what is your disk partition set up like?
[03:21] <Smashcat> (disk was working fine in 11.04, but in 12.04 it can't access it.
[03:21] <gbc> Anybody know how to deal with that ?
[03:21] <Dios|> How do you delete a Wubi dual boot?
[03:21] <naryfa> vicatcu: how did it go?
[03:22] <Logan_> Dios|: Uninstall Ubuntu in Windows.
[03:22] <Playtime> uw: http://puu.sh/w5jX
[03:22] <vicatcu> naryfa, it's still going :)
[03:22] <gbc> no kidding!!
[03:22] <lewellyn> is the "alternate" cd the same as the "text" cd?
[03:22] <vicatcu> naryfa: currently Installing and removing software
[03:22] <zykotick9> lewellyn: yes
[03:22] <Dios|> Is it just like uninstalling a normal program from Control Panel?
[03:22] <jiltdil> how to  change the directory using inode value ?
[03:22] <lewellyn> ok. that's not immediately clear on the download page :/
[03:22]  * lewellyn grabs it in hopes that it will load the kernel :(
[03:23] <gbc> my 100GB regular ubunto 11.04 install is hosed up now too. cannot upgrade or update at all.
[03:23] <naryfa> Playtime: I would do this, if one of these drives is actually an entire drive, put a Linux on it.
[03:23] <zykotick9> !alternate | lewellyn
[03:23] <gbc> says it has a list hosed up in var somewhere.
[03:23] <vicatcu> narfya: ok it crashed: "Changes applied. Not all changes and updates succeeded. For further details of the failure please expand the 'Details panel below.
[03:23] <lewellyn> zykotick9: http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso ;)
[03:23] <naryfa> vicatcu: expand it and give me the results
[03:24] <gbc> used the same install CD for both installs.
[03:24] <vicatcu> naryfa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000176/
[03:24] <wifioregon> How do you sync an iphone/ipod with ubuntu 10.04 or 12.04?
[03:24] <wifioregon> Cuz banshee and rhythymbox are giving me issues with my iphone
[03:24] <sary> Playtime: is there anything interesting in the log file
[03:25] <Brustofski> zykotick9, Thanks
[03:25] <Smashcat> Oh crap, seems that 12.04 can't see large disks properly. Have to reinstall 11.04. doh!
[03:25] <zykotick9> Brustofski: glad to help
[03:25] <jiltdil> Any one have my question answer?
[03:26] <sary> jiltdil: please ask again :)
[03:26] <ZeloZelos> jiltdil, please repeat the question
[03:26] <jiltdil> how to  change the directory using inode value ?
[03:26] <sary> Playtime: so have you tried the naive installation before ..
[03:26] <uw> Playtime, D: yikes what kind of set up do you have going there?  Are all those drives?
[03:26] <sary> *native.
[03:27] <Playtime> Two are drives, the rest are split from C:
[03:27] <Brustofski> zykotick9, was in mint 13 RC went to to ubuntu 12.04 on usb stick.. made a misteak and formated my usb drive!!
[03:27] <Playtime> Yes, I have, sary
[03:27] <sary> Playtime: nice , how was the experiance ..
[03:27] <eduardo1981> Hi there, I need some help in an specific topic, I'm using ubuntu 9.10 and I'm quite comfortable everything was stable on my P4 but, not I can't get updates or install anything else in my distro. There is a way to solve this issue...
[03:27] <eduardo1981> ?
[03:27] <zykotick9> Brustofski: photorec saved me once ;)  i was sure happy it existed
[03:28] <Playtime> A whole lot of nothing.
[03:28] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | eduardo1981
[03:28] <sary> eduardo1981: P4 !
[03:28] <uw> Playtime: do you remember how you configured grub?  also, how are these partitions managed?  you may be better off live booting and installing that way
[03:28] <szal> eduardo1981: yes, the solution is upgrading to a still-supported version
[03:29] <naryfa> vicatcu: damn, weird
[03:29] <sary> eduardo1981: do exactl what bazhang point you to .
[03:29] <bazhang> eduardo1981, upgrade to a supported version see the link above
[03:29] <eduardo1981> thanks @ubottu, yes @sary I'm using a Pentium 4 at home
[03:29] <bazhang> eduardo1981, ubottu is a bot
[03:29] <sary> eduardo1981: ah , gotchya
[03:29] <vicatcu> naryfa: hm... right... :)
[03:30] <Playtime> I do not, it's been a long time since I touched it.  As for my drives there, I shrunk C: and made a new partitions from that I shrink/expand them as I need, Z: is another physical drive.
[03:31] <Brustofski> zykotick9, Looks like its doing pretty good so far... i see 3 folders with alot in it... drive had a lot of junk on it... Thats easy to get back... But it had all my desktop backgrounds that took alot of time geting themes.. video's from youtube downloader and from minitube... and 3 gig worth of photo edits
[03:31] <eduardo1981> @szal - Question but can I use a P4 2.66 mghz with newer versions
[03:31] <eduardo1981> ?
[03:31] <eduardo1981> I just have 512 MB
[03:31] <zykotick9> Brustofski: i hope you aren't expecting filenames (cause you probably won't get any)
[03:32] <eduardo1981> I've to say that 9.10 works fast in this old machine
[03:32] <bazhang> eduardo1981, probably Lubuntu is better for you
[03:32] <bazhang> !lubuntu | eduardo1981
[03:32] <sary> Playtime: what you mean ' a whole lot of nothing ' , what i meant is did get into any sort of truoble.
[03:32] <krababbel> eduardo1981: gnome alone wants to use about 500MB RAM often
[03:33] <bazhang> eduardo1981, so upgrade to a supported version, add lubuntu-desktop package, then choose lxde from the login window
[03:33] <Playtime> It just simply does nothing.
[03:33] <Brustofski> zykotick9, not worried about that... as long as i can tell my saved mozila folder...
[03:33] <Playtime> "Installing..." and the window is blank and it freezes.
[03:33] <sary> Playtime: you mean the live-cd while trying a native installation .!
[03:33] <zykotick9> Brustofski: ummm, well - if i remember correctly, you just get a list of files with the selected extensions...
[03:34] <Brustofski> zykotick9, not even putting them in there folders...
[03:34] <eduardo1981> @bazhang - Can I convert an ubuntu in lubuntu ?
[03:34] <zykotick9> Brustofski: i doubt it - filenames and folders are gone, only the raw files on the disk are left
[03:34] <bazhang> eduardo1981, yes.
[03:34] <bazhang> !purelxde | eduardo1981
[03:34] <Playtime> Mmm.. I'm no longer sure I follow you, sary. Sorry.
[03:34] <Brustofski> i guess i lost all my saved bookmarks and passwords
[03:35] <uw> Playtime, when you put the cd in and start the system, it should look completely different, not boot up into windows
[03:35] <sary> Playtime: are you able to install ubuntu from the live-cd .
[03:36] <uw> check your BIOS or EFI to make sure that cdrom is first on the boot list
[03:36] <eduardo1981> Mm... I see that in the page says: "Note, this applies only to Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise). If you're using 11.10 go here. If you're using 11.04, go here. " And I'm still with ubuntu 9.10
[03:36] <naryfa> vicatcu: I don't know where to point now
[03:37] <Playtime> What happens is, it brings me to trial or install, clicking trial does exactly that, clicking install (depending on from there or in-trial) will either ask me to remove disc and hit enter (it then boots windows and runs wubi) or it opens an window marked "Installing..." that is completely blank and frozen, while the rest of the UI continues to operate.
[03:37] <bazhang> eduardo1981, so upgrade to a supported version is the First STep
[03:37] <bazhang> eduardo1981, from the eolupgrades Link I sent you at the very start
[03:38] <vicatcu> naryfa: running it again...
[03:38] <naryfa> vicatcu: try to google for the error
[03:38] <naryfa> vicatcu: I don't know why most of it is xorg related
[03:39] <naryfa> vicatcu: most of these errors have dependency problems
[03:39] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades    <------- eduardo1981
[03:39] <naryfa> vicatcu: xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion depends on xorg-video-abi-11; however:   Package xorg-video-abi-11 is not installed.
[03:39] <eduardo1981> Ok, I'm checking documentation of EOL bazhang, thanks
[03:40] <naryfa> vicatcu: you have an ati graphics card?
[03:40] <vicatcu> yea
[03:40] <vicatcu> for sure
[03:41] <vicatcu> ati mobility radeon hd5870
[03:41] <naryfa> vicatcu: download their driver from the website, what I understand is that Ubuntu repos have old packages
[03:42] <naryfa> vicatcu: xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion depends on xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1); however:   Version of xserver-xorg-core on system is 2:1.10.4-1ubuntu4.2.
[03:42] <vicatcu> ok i'll see what i can fined
[03:42] <vicatcu> find
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> naryfa,  what the repos have is the modified drivers to follow updates, which the ones from the site wont
[03:43] <naryfa> wilee-nilee: I see, but then the ones in repos prevent him from updates, and apt has errors, if you know better, please help
[03:44] <wilee-nilee> vicatcu, I looked at it earlier there were 405 held upgrades
[03:44] <sary> Playtime: if you insist on installing Ubuntu from Windows through Wubi .. then follow steps here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[03:44] <wilee-nilee> naryfa, I looked at it earlier there were 405 held upgrades
[03:45] <sary> Playtime: i would look in the log file for any kind of errors.
[03:45] <naryfa> wilee-nilee: and what do you think?
[03:46] <sary> Playtime: just to show you how trouble is Wubi and you're not alone with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929278 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1802427
[03:46] <Playtime> I'm still digging through that log, it's extremely long.
[03:46] <eduardo1981> bazhang, isn't the same update directly from the automatic updater from 9.10 to 10.03 LTS ?
[03:46] <wilee-nilee> naryfa, I have not been following, what I see though with advise on drivers is that the only time to use the drivers from the site is when nothing else will run, not sure if that is the case here. Or if a user is savvy enough to run this way
[03:46] <Playtime> As for the guides, not helpful, since they have no information to where my error is.  I'll take a look at those forums links though
[03:47] <bazhang> eduardo1981, did you read the links carefully?
[03:47] <sary> Playtime: alright , you can post the log file to paste.ubuntu.com if you want some assistance .
[03:47] <Donnie_Darko21> and good news for libreoffice now import was done and 100 percent better then openoffice
[03:47] <wilee-nilee> naryfa, I waqs just questioning the broad generalized statement of drivers ages in the repos, there is a reason they are older they are modified to run in the release that can run them.
[03:48] <naryfa> wilee-nilee: I have no other option then, what I see in errors is that apt is crying about dependencies. Dependencies in repos are apparently old. Unless he's got testing repos enabled and some packages were upgraded and some not.
[03:48] <eduardo1981> bazhang, I'm on it, I'm just asking
[03:48] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: +1 totally agree ;)
[03:49] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, you would know the truth. :)
[03:49] <Donnie_Darko21> LibreOffice requires a recent version of Java Runtime Environment (JRE) for full functionality so i installed perfect and now libre works amazing
[03:49] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: out of repo drivers is so rarely needed
[03:49] <sary> Playtime: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1955991
[03:49] <vicatcu> hi wilee-nilee
[03:49] <vicatcu> wilee-nilee: you see the synaptic output I posted?
[03:49] <wilee-nilee> vicatcu, I wish I had more expertise in drivers, I just don't.
[03:49] <vicatcu> wilee-nilee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000176/
[03:51] <sary> Playtime: what a truoble , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871823 .. if i were you , i'd backup my data and go for a native installation.
[03:51] <wilee-nilee> vicatcu, not much I can do with that without a context, and even then I doubt I would know.
[03:51] <vicatcu> wilee-nilee: ya i understand
[03:51] <wilee-nilee> looks like a wall of text it has been a long day. vicatcu ;)
[03:52] <vicatcu> lol no worries
[03:53] <asahi> when I run top, I can see that there are 6 ruby processes. However, when I run ps auxw | grep ruby, only one shows up. why is that?
[03:53] <Playtime> sary, one of your links proved helpful! I've got a good chunk of reading to do now.
[03:54] <zykotick9> asahi: top or htop?
[03:54] <asahi> zykotick9: top
[03:54] <jrib> asahi: probably threads
[03:54] <zykotick9> asahi: ok, checking if you where seeing threads (didn't think top showed those by default, and i know htop does)
[03:55] <sary> Playtime: nice , good luck. :)
[03:55] <asahi> ps -A also shows 6 ruby processes
[03:56] <number9> Since upgrading to Precise the plus and underscore no longer work.  The keys work but to access those symbols I have to press shift and nothing happens.  I have been trying to find a solution but have found nothing online.  Any thoughts?
[03:56] <sary> Playtime: similar to the error you get  ..   http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1796547.html
[03:57] <freezway> so banshee doesnt actually edit music metadata of the actual the files, how do I force it to do this?
[03:59] <vicatcu> naryfa: re-running synaptic seemed to succeed the second time
[03:59] <naryfa> vicatcu: did you install the new driver?
[03:59] <sary> Playtime: https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/128647
[03:59] <naryfa> vicatcu: or what?
[03:59] <lewellyn> gah. the "alternative" disc also never gets to the point of loading the kernel after selecting to install from the boot menu. :/
[03:59] <vicatcu> no i literally just tried "Mark All Upgrades" again
[04:00] <vicatcu> and it worked this time
[04:00] <naryfa> good then
[04:00] <vicatcu> naryfa: i guess how do i know it really worked?
[04:00] <webnet> anyone know how i can boot a ubuntu install directly into the gui of an application without a DE?
[04:00] <naryfa> naryfa: I'm happy
[04:00]  * lewellyn is really surprised to be having such issues on an intel-branded motherboard, especially when at least 3 other OSes install fine.
[04:00] <naryfa> vicatcu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:00] <vicatcu> narfy: restart and see if ubuntu boots :)
[04:00] <naryfa> vicatcu: lol, try
[04:01] <eduardo1981> bazhang - About the requirements... in the file /etc/apt/sources.list - I don't understand exactly the orders.. should I have only the mentioned sources lists or I should append those lists to my file ?
[04:01] <vicatcu> narfya: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[04:01] <vicatcu> narfya: the following packages have been kept back: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:01] <vicatcu> narfya: the following packages have been kept back: gnome-sudoku gnomine unity-scope-musicstores
[04:02] <naryfa> vicatcu: you can probably force the upgrade in synaptic upgradable filter
[04:02] <naryfa> vicatcu: if you really want to
[04:02] <sary> lewellyn: what seems to be the issue , could you state it in a nutshell please :)
[04:03]  * webnet is ready to pull hair out... UGHGHG. lol
[04:03] <lewellyn> sary: the install cd never loads the kernel.
[04:03] <bp0> for some reason unity starts in the "GNOME classic" session. how do I stop that?
[04:03] <lewellyn> sary: if i hit "Install Ubuntu
[04:03] <lewellyn> grr
[04:03] <webnet> anyone know what i can search google for. my searches have revealed nothing to me so perhaps im searching the wrong terms?
[04:04] <lewellyn> sary: if i hit "Install Ubuntu" once the drive's spun down, it doesn't spin back up. and it's across multiple drives and 2 different install discs.
[04:04] <vicatcu> naryfa: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:04] <naryfa> vicatcu: I guess it's ok then
[04:04] <webnet> lewellyn, i had that issue with my server. try the alternate install cd. worked for me
[04:04] <vicatcu> naryfa: nice... thanks for the guidance!
[04:05] <vicatcu> naryfa: wish me luck, i'm restarting
[04:05] <lewellyn> webnet: just used the alternate cd with multiple drives, too
[04:05] <naryfa> vicatcu: I didn't do much, but no problem, I'm glad something worked
[04:05] <naryfa> vicatcu: go ahead
[04:05] <lewellyn> and i don't have a pxe-capable nic lying about, else i'd try pxe too.
[04:05] <webnet> lewellyn, hmmm. trust me i feel your pain. believe it or not pxe didnt work for me at all
[04:06] <webnet> lewellyn, i have 4 of the same model of server using the same processor sand just using the same usb disc drive for install
[04:06] <sary> lewellyn: did you md5 test the iso before burnning to the CD media , also its better to burn with slow speed .
[04:06] <lewellyn> sary: yes. and i burnt at the same speed as this media likes for every other os install disc (18x)
[04:06] <webnet> 3 took fine 4th wouldnt work on the same cd i used for the other 3 alternate worked
[04:07] <lewellyn> the same media also works in the same drives in different machines
[04:07] <webnet> lewellyn, sounds like the same issue i had
[04:07] <lewellyn> i'm starting to think it's something specific to the Intel D865PERL motherboard and ubuntu.
[04:07] <HorizonXP> I just wanted to come in here and say, you guys suck for not including Qt 4.8 in 12.04 LTS
[04:07] <sary> Yeah , usb installation medai is much better , it will aslo save you from wasting CD's.
[04:07] <HorizonXP> that is all.
[04:07] <AndChat|712361> .
[04:07] <webnet> HorizonXP, you realize we didnt write ubuntu right?
[04:08] <lewellyn> what's really annoying is that windows, illumos, and freebsd all install fine.
[04:08] <lewellyn> webnet: he's gone
[04:08] <webnet> i see that
[04:08] <webnet> lewellyn, i hate when people do that
[04:08] <webnet> or when its like username: i have a question and the *username has quit
[04:09] <sary> lewellyn: can you reach the GRUB menu at all.
[04:09] <armence> Hey all. Is there a command-line equivalent of the startup disk creator?
[04:09] <lewellyn> sary: yes. and kernel parameters are pointless if the kernel never gets decompressed at all ;)
[04:09] <sary> armence: dd
[04:09] <lewellyn> and yes, i've disabled splash and quiet
[04:09] <zykotick9> armence: if it's a 12.04 iso just use cat
[04:09] <webnet> armence, use cat
[04:09] <lewellyn> sary: actually, it's the cd, so that's probably actually syslinux?
[04:09] <webnet> damn zykotick9 you beat me
[04:10] <webnet> lol
[04:10] <armence> all, thanks
[04:10] <webnet> np
[04:10] <webnet> so let me ask this all how do i boot into the gui of a program without a DE?
[04:11] <sary> lewellyn: am not sure wha you mean abbout syslinux ..
[04:11] <webnet> like on embedded devices
[04:11] <thewazir> sometime my ubuntu 12.04 sound behave weird, sound wouldn't come proper and I have to restart then
[04:11] <lewellyn> sary: the boot cd uses syslinux, not grub, correct?
[04:11] <zykotick9> webnet: startx with an xinitrc that exec's your program?  might work?
[04:11]  * lewellyn looks in the iso
[04:11] <armence> zykotick9, webnet Do I need to mount it or do I cat to the device?
[04:11] <armence> In /dev I mean
[04:12] <lewellyn> oh i guess it actually is grub. interesting.
[04:12] <lewellyn> so yeah. grub isn't doing whatever magic needs to be done to load the kernel
[04:12] <zykotick9> armence: don't mount it - this will delete everything on it!  you ok with that?
[04:12] <webnet> zykotick9, duh why didnt i think of that. thank you.
[04:12] <armence> zykotick9, Yes I am
[04:12] <zykotick9> armence: are you 100% sure which device it is?
[04:13] <SFREGIO> yeah totally
[04:13] <armence> zykotick9, That was going to be my next question...
[04:13] <eduardo1981> bazhang, thanks...
[04:13] <armence> zykotick9, How do I know which device it is
[04:13] <sary> GRUB indeed , after the BIOS screen keep prissing SHIFT to bring up the GRUB Menu ..
[04:13] <zykotick9> armence: dmesg after plugging it in might work
[04:13] <ZaNeIuM> what that program that pastes your contents like if i do ls -a in a directoy it pastes the contens to a web page
[04:13] <SFREGIO> son troppo intoccabile nessuno puo farmi un cazzo cia :D
[04:13] <dr_willis> !blkid
[04:14] <dr_willis> ZaNeIuM:  pastebinit
[04:14] <lewellyn> sary: the alternate cd boots straight to grub.
[04:14] <sary> lewellyn: and 18x is really fast , i always go with 4x .
[04:14] <zykotick9> armence: dr_willis's blkid suggestion is probably easier and better, plug the drive in and run "sudo blkid" can you identify the USB with that?
[04:15] <lewellyn> sary: i've burnt literally hundreds of install media on these cds. 18x is the sweet spot.
[04:15] <armence> zykotick9, It's an sd card and there is a /dev/mmcblk0 sounds like a winner?
[04:15] <sary> lewellyn: cool , press 'e' while you at that menu
[04:15] <lewellyn> this isn't my first time around the block.
[04:15] <armence> dr_willis, Thanks, I'll try that
[04:15] <sary> lewellyn: am sure :)
[04:15] <zykotick9> armence: we need a /dev/sdX where X is a letter
[04:15] <dr_willis> armence:  ive seen sd cards use such device names befpr. mmcblk0  on laptops built in card readers
[04:16] <lewellyn> sary: i just find it utterly amazing that an intel reference board could possibly have this many problems with ubuntu when it runs other OSes fine. :/
[04:16] <dr_willis> a usb sd card reader . ive seen use sdXx  - built in card reader seem to use mmcXXXXX
[04:16] <zykotick9> armence: i'm sorry, perhaps mmcblk0 is you device??? but if that's the case i don't feel comfortable helping any further :(
[04:16] <armence> dr_willis, It is a laptop built-in card reader
[04:16] <armence> zykotick9, Thanks for taking me this far
[04:17] <dr_willis> try a sudo fdisk -l /dev/mmcWhatever
[04:18] <ZaNeIuM> dr_willis how to i install that plz
[04:18] <dr_willis> on my netbook the sdcard is mmc*, on my desktop its sd* because the desktop is using a usb port for it.
[04:18] <dr_willis> ZaNeIuM:  its in the repos
[04:18] <dr_willis> !info pastebinit
[04:18] <number9> My plus and underscore no longer work in unity and gnome-shell but work fine in xfce.  Any ideas on how to fix this?
[04:19] <sary> lewellyn: i hear you :) .. but this could be related to different area with your situation  , and each distro have different setup on the chiped kernel .
[04:19] <ZaNeIuM> thank you dr_willis
[04:20] <sary> lewellyn: is it an old Intel board .
[04:20] <vicatcu> hi again
[04:20] <sary> Hey
[04:20] <ZaNeIuM> could you tell me how i would use it now just to get the contents of the dir i am in now?
[04:20] <vicatcu> had to resort to a second computer here...
[04:20] <lewellyn> sary: and a very popular board. it also happens to be my most powerful available 32-bit board (since i specifically need 32-bit ubuntu for this set of tasks, i don't want to waste a 64-bit board)
[04:20] <vicatcu> After upgrading successfully to 12.04 LTS, I can no longer log in to the desktop
[04:21] <armence> dr_willis, OK, if I pull the card out, /dev/mmwhatever goes away so I feel quite confident that it's the right device
[04:21] <vicatcu> after typing the password, the screen goes black for a few seconds then comes back to prompt with the rejection sound
[04:21] <sary> vicatcu: where do you get stuck at ..
[04:21] <number9> I just solved my + and _ problem.  Universal Access "zoom in" and "zoom out" were assigned to these keys and that was preventing them to work in gnome environments.
[04:21] <dr_willis> vicatcu:  what does it do exactgy when you try?
[04:21] <vicatcu> sary: at the login prompt
[04:22] <armence> dr_willis, Actually, there are two devices: /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0. Do you know what that means?
[04:22] <dr_willis> vicatcu:  can the yser login at the console?
[04:22] <vicatcu> dr_willis: like if I hit Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[04:22] <dr_willis> armence:  p1 = partion1, like sda1 sda2 you got mmcblkXpY
[04:22] <dr_willis> where X= devvice, Y=partition
[04:23] <dr_willis> vicatcu:  those are the consoles.. yes
[04:23] <armence> dr_willis, Makes lots of sense. So is it on the partition that I should cat the iso or directly on the device?
[04:24] <dr_willis> armence:  you image the iso to the device.. not a partition
[04:24] <vicatcu> dr_willis: yes I just logged in with console
[04:24] <zykotick9> armence: directly to the device - no partition!
[04:24] <armence> dr_willis, zykotick9 Thanks all.
[04:24] <vicatcu> dr_willis: I think the username being assumed at the prompt is the wrong one
[04:24] <sary> lewellyn: i see , i whould add nomodeset to the kernel as an option within the live cd to pass to the desktop and see how the installaion goes .. it could also be a graphic issue in your case thogu.
[04:25] <dr_willis> vicatcu:  now as a test. you could make a new user. 'sudo adduser billgates' then see if that user can login properly. if SO then that points to a user setting issue. if it affects new user also that points to a system type issue
[04:25] <dr_willis> username assumed?  huh?
[04:26] <lewellyn> sary: that's irrrelevant. the kernel never loads. kernel parameters never matter if the kernel's never loaded from disc.
[04:26] <vicatcu> dr_willis: when i am presented with a prompt, I see two options: Victor and Guest
[04:26] <lewellyn> once the cd spins down at the menu, it never spins up again.
[04:26] <vicatcu> dr_willis: when I log in at the console I log in as vic
[04:26] <dr_willis> vicatcu:  id try making a new user. see if they work
[04:26] <vicatcu> I can't change the username anywhere in the graphical login
[04:27] <armence> Quick question regarding sudo and pipes. If I sudo a command, what is it that gets sudoed? Redirects? Commands I pipe to?
[04:27] <zykotick9> armence: in this case i'd suggest using "sudo -i" then running the cat command
[04:27] <dr_willis> armence:  to use sudo and pipes properly one often has to use 'sudo tee' as part of the command
[04:28] <dr_willis> armence:  theres some sudo guides out there with examples
[04:28] <sary> lewellyn: am counfused , do you already have ubuntu installed on your hdd , or just traying to install !
[04:28] <dr_willis> if you google for 'ubuntu root shell right way' it should be the first hit for such a guide with an example
[04:29] <vicatcu> dr_willis: ok i created billgates, and restarted, Bill Gates appears but also can't log in with the password I gave him
[04:29] <lewellyn> sary: i've said "the install media" countless times :/
[04:29] <vicatcu> and if I type an actual wrong password, I see the message "Invalid password, please try again" displayed
[04:30] <sary> lewellyn: ah , my bad .
[04:30] <lewellyn> in any case, kernel parameters can't take effect if there's no kernel.
[04:30] <vicatcu> can anyone help me with this login problem?
[04:31] <sary> lewellyn: still , we might missed an important part .. the iso image .. have you made an md5 test to it .
[04:31] <wifioregon> Hi. I'm creating a Help guide for my site on How to put Ubuntu on a USB. Do you think Ubuntu would mind if I took the images off their site and put it on mine? I'm wording the instructions in my own words.
[04:31] <lewellyn> sary: yes. and it also works in other systems with the same exact disc and same exact cd drives
[04:32] <paulus68> Hi, one of my external harddrives gave an input/output error after rebooting I was able to use this drive again, can this be an indication that this drive is about to die?
[04:32] <dr_willis> paulus68:  id be making backups of anything imporntant onit
[04:32] <vicatcu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973517 suggests I should do rm ~/.Xauthority    is that safe?
[04:32] <cipher__> any reason why ubuntu can't manage to maintain its own repos and not host packages that destroy entire systems?
[04:32] <dr_willis> vicatcu:  renameit if youwant.
[04:33] <paulus68> dr_willis: Hmmm it's my backup drive :(
[04:33] <dr_willis> paulus68:  i have redundant stacks of exernal usb hds for backups
[04:33] <Fat-Thing> i just messed up my uubuntu 10.04 gnome desktop now i'm using fluxbox
[04:33] <snowrichard> doing the 12.04 lts upgrade on this laptop
[04:33] <Fat-Thing> any help to recover my gnome?
[04:33] <cipher__> can anyone try installing libasound2-plugin-equal
[04:33] <sary> lewellyn: thats very odd , lemme check on something .. hold up please :)
[04:34] <paulus68> dr_willis: ok will start looking for a new one, my wife would be happy to hear that lol
[04:35] <ZaNeIuM> anyone know how to use pastebinit to post the contents of a certian directory?
[04:35] <dr_willis> paulus68:  i keep 'suspect' hard drives for the wifes video files (i have extra copies) so she can hae a hd in the living room with all her shows on it. and in the backroom.. ;)
[04:35] <dr_willis> if they die. no big loss
[04:35] <cipher__> is anyone here a mod?
[04:35] <dr_willis> ZaNeIuM:  bash basics... command | command      for pipes
[04:35] <dr_willis> ZaNeIuM:  in this case   ls | pastebinit
[04:35] <cipher__>  libasound2-plugin-equal
[04:36] <ZaNeIuM> ls -a | pastbinit
[04:36] <ZaNeIuM> very cool
[04:36] <dr_willis> ZaNeIuM:  check bash redirection   docs for other examples
[04:36] <dr_willis> bash 101 stuff ;)
[04:37] <paulus68> dr_willis: jikes what happens when the wife can't see her shows because of a hardrive failure? you are taking a risk here *grin* my wife is already complaining that nothing works when she needs to print or when the cartridges are empty when she needs to print some family pics lol
[04:37] <ZaNeIuM> awsome, im more like bach 002
[04:37] <dr_willis> paulus68:  then she uses the network share thats an identical hard drive ;)
[04:37] <ZaNeIuM> ugg bash
[04:41] <webnet> zykotick9, do i have to have a wm to run a gui application?
[04:41] <webnet> or can i run it straightup out of the x server
[04:41] <cipher__> !help
[04:41] <zykotick9> webnet: no - it's possible with a wm.
[04:41] <zykotick9> without
[04:42] <windbuntu> i want to make my log in screen look just like my desktop (ubuntu 12.04)
[04:42] <windbuntu> is there a package for that?
[04:42] <sary> lewellyn: jus to be in the light here .. you can see GRUB menu with kernels listed .. right !
[04:42] <cipher__> crap, minecraft stopped working
[04:42] <cipher__> !ops
[04:42] <cipher__> i'm having a minecraft emergency
[04:43] <webnet> cipher__, um minecraft is NOT an emergency
[04:43] <windbuntu> i don't see ubuntu tweak in my software center?
[04:43] <webnet> windbuntu, u need the launchpad repo
[04:43] <webnet> for it
[04:43] <cipher__> what?
[04:43] <windbuntu> what is the launchpad repo Webnet?
[04:43] <windbuntu> ive never heard of it
[04:44] <webnet> um hold on let me look. i have it thats why i know. lol
[04:44] <windbuntu> ok ty webnet
[04:44] <windbuntu> i put in a bug reprt there but never saw that
[04:44] <vicatcu> so i'm looking at my lightdm.log file and I see it saying "Failed to load session file /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop: No such file or directory" then "Failed to start greeter"
[04:44] <vicatcu> anyone have any insight into that?
[04:45] <webnet> windbuntu, ppa:tualatrix/ppa
[04:45] <webnet> you have to add that to sources.list
[04:45] <windbuntu> ok ty webnet but what is that is that a command or something?
[04:45] <webnet> um hold on
[04:46] <lewellyn> sary: i see a screen with things like "Install Ubuntu" and "Test CD" and "Test memory"
[04:46] <webnet> sudo add-apt-repository <insert the ppa here>
[04:46] <webnet> to add a repo
[04:46] <lewellyn> sary: only memtest boots, which is presumably because it's not booting the ubuntu kernel
[04:46] <windbuntu> ok ty webnet i guess after i do that it will come clear
[04:46] <webnet> windbuntu, then make sure you sudo apt-get update
[04:46] <webnet> then it should show up there
[04:47] <webnet> :)
[04:47] <sary> vicatcu: seems like you're missing the Desktop meta package , i'd install ubuntu-desktop from a virtual console or the recovey mode.
[04:47] <windbuntu> so by doing that i am calling up a pkg to install that is not in the ubuntu software center is that correct ?
[04:47] <vicatcu> sary: ok sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop in progress
[04:50] <windbuntu> so is this a non ubuntu thing webnet? (non supported i mean)?
[04:50] <windbuntu> 3rd party...
[04:51] <vicatcu> sary: bingo, I'm in, you are awesome
[04:52] <Fat-Thing> dr_willis, u there? pls help
[04:53] <dr_willis> am at work. so i may have to leave at any time.. state the issue.
[04:53] <Fat-Thing> i just messed up my uubuntu 10.04 gnome desktop now i'm using fluxbox
[04:53] <Fat-Thing> how can i get back my ubuntu desktop?
[04:54] <dr_willis> depends on how you messed it up.
[04:54] <dr_willis> make new user.see if it wirks for them
[04:54] <Fat-Thing> nope
[04:54] <Fat-Thing> nothing
[04:55] <dr_willis> vague answers are vague.....
[04:55] <Fat-Thing> i got the wallpaper and a terminal i can't see panels desktop icons can't even right click so i tried to restart ang used other so i could use my fluxbox
[04:55] <Fat-Thing> in fluxbox synaptic package manager gnome is not installed
[04:55] <Fat-Thing> i think that's the problem
[04:56] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <dr_willis> to install it
[04:59] <sary> lewellyn: Alright thanks , please bear with me as i have never seen such an issue nor did i used he alternative cd before .
[05:00] <Fat-Thing> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000265/ dr_willis
[05:00] <lewellyn> sary: it's very ubuntu-specific
[05:00] <lewellyn> sary: i'm giving up for the night
[05:00] <sary> but missing the kernel from the installation cd is over my head.
[05:00] <lewellyn> the kernel isn't missing. it's just not loading.
[05:01] <sary> lewellyn: alright .
[05:01] <lewellyn> but i need to go make dinner. it's 2200
[05:02] <dr_willis> Fat-Thing:  so.. its installed.. looks like it was basically installed befor..
[05:02] <sary> lewellyn: okay , minde if i send you a memo if i found something about it!
[05:02] <dr_willis> Fat-Thing:  make a new user. see if they can login
[05:03] <Fat-Thing> ok
[05:03] <trubbor> Apple TrackPad: Works great on Ubuntu 12.04. Has anyone had any success with getting the "2-finger page swipe" working? I'd love to be able to change web pages with a gesture...
[05:15] <arno-> Hi, I want to use my modified keyboard layout. But it's in /usr/share/something so whenever xkb-data will be updated, my modifications will be lost
[05:16] <arno-> how to tell apt/dpkg to not touch some files
[05:16] <arno-> ?
[05:17] <eduardo1981> good night
[05:17] <dr_willis> what files?
[05:17] <eduardo1981> see you
[05:18] <arno-> dr_willis: /usr/share/X11/.../symbols/fr
[05:21] <dr_willis> normally apt asks  if you want to use a changed config file. but that might not be considered a config file.  when i doubt back the altered file up somewhere. and restore it afterwards i guess
[05:22] <dr_willis> ive never notced an apt 'do not touch' list
[05:22] <arno-> dr_willis: no, this is no config file
[05:22] <arno-> and saving/restoring it is tedious
[05:23] <dr_willis> how often is it getting changed?
[05:23] <Gskellig> last time I upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 I had a black screen and it would not boot. I restored a disk image and I'm back on 11.10
[05:23] <dr_willis> !nomodeset | Gskellig
[05:23] <cipher__> would anyone here mind checking the package libasound2-plugin-equal for install errors?
[05:23] <Gskellig> I tried that
[05:23] <dr_willis> Gskellig:  i always do clean installs. so thats about all i can suggest.
[05:23] <Gskellig> it was acting like it didn't have write permission to the disk
[05:23] <arno-> I think there is a way to do that with dpkg-statoverride, but I don't remember how to do it, and the documentation is tedious
[05:24] <Gskellig> =\
[05:24] <windbuntu> can i make the panel at the top of the screen the same clear color as my unity launcher (12.04) ?
[05:24] <arno-> dr_willis: I don't known how often. But when I used debian, it was about once every month or once every two months. Every time, this put me in a bad mood for the rest of the morning :)
[05:24] <dr_willis> windbuntu:  i recall a setting somewhere that affected the transparenty of the top menubar. some themes made it transparent i recall.
[05:25] <windbuntu> that would look more uniform
[05:25] <windbuntu> i really like this unity desktop
[05:25] <dr_willis> arno-:  unless its somesort of security fix, ubuntu most likely wont be updateing it as often. you could always script rc.local to see if its changed and change it back.
[05:26] <windbuntu> i seem to recall a time when the top menubar would just disappear so in a way im afraid to mess with it
[05:26] <dr_willis> transparent top panel - i think had some  ugly issues  - but i dont recall the details
[05:26] <windbuntu> yeah i best not mess with it
[05:26] <dr_willis> you can always reset the unity settings.
[05:27] <windbuntu> if the ubuntu mase it to match from the start it would be best
[05:27] <windbuntu> made*
[05:27] <dr_willis> i think there was some how a trnsparent panel showed the gnome-desktop menus for some reason. i forget why/how - it  only affected some themes
[05:27] <dr_willis> Some themes do mke it transparent.
[05:27] <windbuntu> i use my own desktop wallpaper though not one of the standard ones
[05:28] <dr_willis> solid color wallpaper - what real men use. ;)
[05:28] <arno-> dr_willis: you're right, xkb-data probably won't have lot of security updates.
[05:28] <dr_willis> or this 'my little pony' wwallpaper i found..
[05:28] <windbuntu> i use weird looking retro doze wallpaper
[05:28] <windbuntu> so my os look way old
[05:29] <dr_willis> C64 wallpaper ;)
[05:29] <windbuntu> w98
[05:29] <windbuntu> w95
[05:29] <windbuntu> even vista sometimes
[05:29] <windbuntu> even though i really dislike those OS's
[05:30] <dr_willis> i dislike the color-smear default wallpaper :) so i changed it to a brown-pangolin picture i found
[05:30] <dr_willis> the 'show users wallpaper on login screen' feature... can get embaraseing ;)
[05:31] <dr_willis> wonder if that feature works with encrypted homes
[05:33] <vll> which dict software is good ?
[05:33] <dr_willis> 'dict' meaning?
[05:34] <vll> dr_willis:  translate tool
[05:34] <grillermo> google translate
[05:34] <grillermo> :P
[05:34] <Wizard> Hi.
[05:34] <grillermo> hi
[05:35] <dr_willis> ih!
[05:35] <cipher__> dr_willis, this package "libasound2-plugin-equal" is broken. it un-installs all your installed packages one by one.
[05:35] <moon> ffff
[05:35] <shyun> 수환형님이... 꺼지래...
[05:36] <Guest96691> hi
[05:36] <cipher__> it uninstalled minecraft as i was playing it :(, and went on to about brick my ubuntu install
[05:36] <xjiujiu> hi
[05:36] <xjiujiu> It is so slowly !!!upgrading ubuntu version from 11.10 to 12.04.
[05:37] <cipher__> well, my jvm anyway.
[05:37] <Wizard> xjiujiu, Slowly?
[05:37] <Wizard> !cn | shyun
[05:38] <dr_willis> cipher__:  first ive ever heard of it
[05:38] <dr_willis> !info libasound2-plugin-equal
[05:38] <Wizard> !ko | shyun
[05:38] <Wizard> shyun, sorry ;]
[05:38] <xjiujiu> Wizard, yes..um..
[05:38] <cipher__> dr_willis, 64bit 11.10
[05:38] <xjiujiu> the download speed is just 4.xxkb/s..
[05:39] <Wizard> xjiujiu, That depends on how many packages you have installed.
[05:39] <dr_willis> main servers were slow over the weekend, they seem fixed now.
[05:40] <xjiujiu> The upgrade info shows that I need upgrade 2,111 packages..
[05:40] <Wizard> xjiujiu, Did you set up proper mirror in spurces.list?
[05:40] <dr_willis> one of the many reasons i always do clean installs
[05:40] <Wizard> :)
[05:41] <xjiujiu> I set up the apt/source.list..But it's not work...
[05:41] <KM0201> dr_willis: same
[05:41] <xjiujiu> clean!!!
[05:41] <xjiujiu> Oh, no~
[05:41] <Wizard> Hmm. I did it "in background" of working.
[05:41] <xjiujiu> Don't let me to do this..
[05:41] <Wizard> xjiujiu, You don't have to.
[05:41] <KM0201> it's just better..lol
[05:41] <dr_willis> setup how? the upgrade tools should handle all that
[05:42] <xjiujiu> yes, but the download speed is so slowly..
[05:43] <Wizard> xjiujiu, Setting proper mirrors in sources.list helps.
[05:43] <xjiujiu> Ok,fine...
[05:43] <xjiujiu> I try it again...
[05:44] <Wizard> Cancelling download shouldn't be a big deal.
[05:44] <Wizard> Which mirrors do you use now?
[05:44] <Wizard> !mirror
[05:45] <KM0201> you could use the alt. cd and upgrade with it i guess.
[05:45] <KM0201> the alt cd should download in about 15-20min w/ the torrents (at least it does for me)
[05:45] <Wizard> I think LiveCD offers an updating tool too.
[05:46] <Wizard> Yesterday I was almost sure.
[05:46] <Wizard> Now I'm not.
[05:46] <xjiujiu> I have added some mirrors into the source.list, but they aren't work,the download address is aways http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:49] <danny_> hello this isnt directly ubuntu related but im sure u guys could point me in the right direction im looking for a irc channel for asking questions about the command line im reading The Linux Command Line by William E. Shotts, Jr. and have some questions because i wanted to learn more about it and theres some things i am very confused about
[05:49] <xjiujiu> Some articles said that all of files will be cleaned on the / direcotry,just the /home directory can be save..
[05:50] <xjiujiu> upgrading by livecd.
[05:50] <dr_willis> a upgrade will not touch stuf in /home
[05:50] <dr_willis> a clean install can save it or reforamt it
[05:51] <dr_willis> danny_:  #bash channel
[05:51] <dr_willis> only the alt-instsller cd has a upgrade feature i belive
[05:51] <sary> danny_: hi , you could try asking the guys in ##linux , and you can always search for channels in freenode with keywords using alis , for eample /msh alis list *gnu* .. see /msg alis list help
[05:52] <danny_> sary: is linux freenode?
[05:52] <dr_willis> this is the freenode irc network.
[05:52] <icebyte> hi
[05:52] <sary> danny_: no , freenode is the IRC network your in right now.
[05:52] <vll> grillermo: when I select a word in terminal or vim , and press ctrl+c , google translate can't auto popup the translate for that word .
[05:52] <xjiujiu> I don't want to set up my server environment again.so ...
[05:53] <danny_> sary, lol see ima noob big time how do i get to the ##linux channel
[05:53] <KM0201> danny_: "/j #linux" no quotes
[05:53] <sary> danny_: we all were at some point , you type /join ##linux .
[05:53] <icebyte> icebytesay hi
[05:53] <dr_willis> most clients let you click on channel names that begin with   #
[05:53] <xjiujiu> click the ##linux :D
[05:53] <Troller> :D
[05:54] <KM0201> dr_willis: thats a good point
[05:54] <KM0201> #linux will take you to ##linux as well.
[05:56] <snowrichard> hi
[05:56] <fidel_> ahoi
[05:56] <snowrichard> still doing 12.04 lts upgrade
[05:56] <danny_> sary, im a painter and realized im not doing much with my life so ive decided to start playing around with what ive been wanting to do for a wile and see if i can start helping noobs like me out in my free time and start learning to code soon after i figure this basics out
[05:56] <KM0201> snowrichard: seems you're not the only one.
[05:57] <KM0201> snowrichard: what are you upgrading from?
[05:57] <KM0201> 11.10 or 10.04? (i thought the LTS upgrade wouldn't be ready until 12.04.1
[05:57] <snowrichard> 11 something
[05:57]  * KM0201 hopes its 11.10
[05:57] <joel> :)
[05:57]  * iamzim pats danny_ on the back.
[05:58] <danny_> any one have any suggestions on other books i should look into that are very very easy to understand like before today i didnt know how to cd /home/Downloads lol
[05:59] <incog> unity is awful
[05:59] <snowrichard> i've noticed on my other desktop that has already upgraded that there are notifications about system errors, but they don't seem to affect most of the programs i am actually using
[05:59] <dr_willis> bash is very well dociumented danny_  100's of books out on it
[05:59] <dr_willis> unity works very well.
[05:59] <dr_willis> !abs | danny_
[06:00] <danny_> dr_willis: thats what i was looking for thank you sir
[06:01] <dr_willis> delicious.com has 1000's of things  tagged with bash tutorial
[06:01] <dr_willis> the Oreialy book 'Using Bash' is a must track down also ;)  often its in the  bargin bins at real bookstores
[06:01] <dr_willis> or find a E-book version
[06:02] <LinuxMonkey> dr_willis: I will second that book its usefull :)
[06:02] <halakar> oh crap, all my youtube videos have a blue tint.  how to fix?
[06:02] <dr_willis> 'mastering regular expressions' is also a good book to read.. even if you donmt understand it at first
[06:02] <sary> danny_:nice thinkin .. check LPIC book , 2nd edition , whats interesing is that you can take the exam online.
[06:02] <dr_willis> halakar:  use the html5 feature of youtube and dump flsh
[06:02] <halakar> dr_willis, how to do that?
[06:02] <dr_willis> halakar:  youtube.com/html5
[06:03] <sary> dump it like dumping for real :D
[06:03] <Troller> :D
[06:03] <halakar> that worked
[06:03] <dr_willis> i noticed colors for some vids were wrong in flash on youtube. but others were ok. they aall were ok with html5
[06:04] <dr_willis> plus its not using flash.. ;)
[06:04] <dr_willis> so phhhhtt.. to adobe
[06:04] <sary> danny_: and ITNA as well , but i haven't found a good book for it.
[06:05] <sary> i've used Gnash , not to bad i may say.
[06:05] <danny_> sary, i shouldnt have asked so soon starting to get confused were i should start now but what is itna ?
[06:05] <sary> *too
[06:06] <dr_willis> 2
[06:06] <dr_willis> ;)  start with  The bash basics books,,, and expand from there
[06:07] <quesada_> I  got /usr/bin/X  pegging a CPU all the time. it started recently. This happens even if I have very few windows open. How would I start debugging this? (Kwin as w. manager)
[06:07] <sary> danny_:  Information Technology and NetWork Administration (ITNA)
[06:08] <dr_willis> quesada_:  ive notied a similer thing after X is running for a long time. a logout/backin (restart X server) seems to fix it...  not seen any definitive answer on whaats sucking down the cpu. Just X will taake 50% of one core here.. but lags the whole system
[06:08] <quesada_> that's ti
[06:08] <quesada_> it
[06:08] <sary> danny_: alos , the LPI LinuxCertification in a Nutshell .. is a good one.
[06:08] <dr_willis> quesada_:  does it in every desktop or even in just  simple winmdow manager like openbox
[06:08] <quesada_> but what a pitiful solution ... logging out? That sucks
[06:08] <quesada_> I only tried kwin
[06:09] <dr_willis> quesada_:  some driver issue would be my guess. using nvida drivers here.
[06:09] <quesada_> me too
[06:09] <danny_> well thanks guys ive written down all the ones u suggested i think this will keep me busy for a wile
[06:09] <dr_willis> and ive tried the normal nvidia from the repos.. and the latest from the various ppas
[06:09] <icebyte> hi
[06:10] <icebyte>  hi
[06:10] <quesada_> but noveau is not any better? have you tried it?
[06:10] <dr_willis> ih
[06:10] <sary> hey
[06:10] <dr_willis> quesada_:  never really noticed. My pc is just a ssh box most of the time. ;)
[06:10] <quesada_> dr_willis: so no driver solved it?
[06:11] <quesada_> dr_willis: have you googled it? what keywords did you use?
[06:11] <dr_willis> quesada_:  all the nvidia drivers follow the same pattern.. long uptime = gets slow. BUt sometimes if i do somthing with a lot of system load. it seems to happen faster.. like reencoding with handbreak. it will get laggy within 20 min
[06:11] <quesada_> 'X' is not a good one :)
[06:12] <quesada_> what hardware do you have?
[06:12] <dr_willis> it happenss in lubuntu, and ubuntu/unity, and gnome-shell
[06:12] <icebyte> hi
[06:12] <dr_willis> some midrange nvidia card.. i forget the # its about a year old
[06:13] <icebyte> icebytesay hi
[06:13] <quesada_> how long have you experienced the problem?
[06:13] <sary> quesada_: nvidia-curent freezed and crached My X , haven't got an issue with noveau .
[06:13] <icebyte> icebytesay hello
[06:13] <dr_willis> quesada_:  since release.. dont recall the issue in beta. but i dident beta test much
[06:14] <LinuxMonkey> Nouveau doesnt offer 3d accel right?
[06:15] <quesada_> dr_willis: did you find anything googling?
[06:15] <quesada_> is this a known bug?
[06:16] <mjreed> Hey, trying to upgrade from 11.04 to 12.04, but update manager only offers 11.10.   Help?
[06:16] <dr_willis> quesada_:  a few with similer issues. no real details
[06:16] <mjreed> I even have 12.04 livecd mounted and in apt sources
[06:16] <DarwinSurvivor> mjreed: You need to upgrade to 11.10, then to 12.04
[06:16] <mjreed> ...
[06:17] <mjreed> so this http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-1004-1010-1104-to-ubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-desktop-a-server/ is incorrect, then?
[06:17] <LinuxMonkey> hahaha nvm on my question about nouveau found my answer.lol
[06:17] <DarwinSurvivor> mjreed: the alternative is to just reinstall and keep your home folder (but you'll need to reinstall all your applications as well)
[06:17] <quesada_> I'm amazed at how used we linuxers are to these things
[06:17] <mjreed> That's a whole lot of extra work and time, either way.
[06:17] <dr_willis> you go lts-:lts Or go each step...
[06:17] <quesada_> we sort of assume we have to put up with this
[06:17] <quesada_> a 3day uptime and I have to reboot X? Bah!
[06:18] <dr_willis> ive had worse issues with windows
[06:18] <mjreed> so if I were still on 10.04 I could go straight to 12.04, but from 11.04 I have to go through 11.10
[06:18] <dr_willis> 10.04 to 12.04 wont be avail untill 12.04.1 is outr
[06:18] <dr_willis> out
[06:18] <KM0201> mjreed: basically...
[06:18] <Jordan_U> mjreed: Correct.
[06:18] <DarwinSurvivor> mjreed: correct, because 10.04 and 12.04 are both LTS releases, that is the only time you can "skip" release when upgrading
[06:19] <dr_willis> i rarely upgrade. ;)
[06:19] <mjreed> well, there's a lot of misinformation out there, then, and like an idjit I believed it.
[06:19]  * KM0201 has never upgraded
[06:19] <sary> LinuxMonkey: i haven't checked on that , am running gnome-shell fine with it .. what did you find !
[06:19] <mjreed> i have a full backup, I can just reinstall..
[06:19] <dr_willis> misinformation? the lts to lts.. or step by step.. is how its been for years..
[06:19] <DarwinSurvivor> mjreed: when in doubt, read the *official* ubuntu docs, not random blog posts you find on google :)
[06:19] <Jordan_U> mjreed: Best to stick to official documentation, which usually contains very little misinformation :)
[06:20] <dr_willis> the 'waiting untill 12.04.1' is out for lts to lts  is new to 12.04 i belive
[06:21] <LinuxMonkey> sary: there is some 3d accel now but its highly unstable
[06:21] <sary> Can't one change the release type to lts and upgrade to straight to the next lts .
[06:21] <dr_willis> sary thats a scary idea
[06:21] <hotbyte> hi
[06:21] <Jordan_U> sary: No.
[06:21] <DarwinSurvivor> sary: LTS is not a "type", only certain release are LTS.
[06:21] <DarwinSurvivor> !lts
[06:22] <sary> LinuxMonkey: nice , any source that i can read about that .
[06:22] <dr_willis> lts to lts upgrades have been 'tested' to work also i belive
[06:22] <sary> dr_willis: i was just asking ..
[06:22] <sary> never done an lts to lts before ..
[06:22] <dr_willis> i rarely if ever upgrade.
[06:22] <KM0201> 10.04 users who upgrade to 12.04 will get quite a shock.. no more gnome 2.x (unity)
[06:23] <LinuxMonkey> sary: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ <--then go down to the quick overview section
[06:23] <dr_willis> i can do a clean install in 1/2 the time
[06:23] <mjreed> fair enough.
[06:23] <KM0201> yup
[06:23] <KM0201> not to mention if the upgrade fails, you're probbly hosed anyway and you'll have to clean install.
[06:23] <mjreed> quick rsync to refresh the ol' backup, and off I go to reinstall
[06:23] <sary> LinuxMonkey: thank you :)
[06:23] <hotbyte> hello
[06:24] <mjreed> yes, that happened on the last box I upgraded from 10.x to 11.x.  Everything outside of my home dir was completely wiped.
[06:24] <mjreed> might as well have done the clean install in the first place.
[06:24] <mjreed> the 11.x to 12.x upgrade on the same box went fine, though.
[06:25] <roshan> hello
[06:26] <roshan> Today, I installed Ubuntu 12.04
[06:26] <mjreed> is dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections still the way to get packages back?
[06:26] <dr_willis> !clone
[06:26] <roshan> I sudoed apt-update and apt-upgrade
[06:26] <DarwinSurvivor> huh, I wonder if a french person wrote that, they tend to use the << notation instead of "
[06:27] <roshan> My question is , is it possible to remove all the non free items, restricted drivers, extras, etc ?????????
[06:27] <slipknot> hi  i am trying compile blueman ver 1.2.3 bat i get this message configure: error: Could not find Python headers
[06:27] <mjreed> if they'd been German it'd be  »...  «  instead.
[06:27] <dr_willis> roshan:  start removing them.. if you want.. but why bother.
[06:28] <dr_willis> roshan:  i recall some ubuntu variant (unofficial) that came without them by default.
[06:28] <roshan> But, I dont know how to remove those, and where they are installed .
[06:28] <drizzlin> slipknot: try apt-getting gcc headers
[06:28] <drizzlin> or gcc
[06:28] <dr_willis> roshan why are you worried about it then:
[06:28] <roshan> un officials is ok....i don't want free as in freedom softwares
[06:29] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: what is your reason for removing them? Is it functional, philisophical, political, legal or educational?
[06:29] <roshan> philosophical...
[06:29] <dr_willis> may be some guides on it online. never really notced.
[06:30] <johnown> hi
[06:30] <roshan> You might have heard of many issues in India related to knowledge sharng.
[06:30] <sary> hey
[06:30] <LinuxMonkey> Keep in mind roshan you may loose alot of functionality by removing those
[06:30] <roshan> So, why make the government do something to ban these..
[06:30] <roshan> It would be better to stay on the safe free side
[06:30] <mjreed> ok, thanks, off with me to reinstall..
[06:30] <dr_willis> gov. is going to ban flash? ;)
[06:30] <dr_willis> removeing them so the gov. wont make you remove them?
[06:31] <roshan> LinuxMonkey, I don't want to remove all those that were there preinstalle.d
[06:31] <mjreed> the software in question is all legal, even in India... it's just not open-source.
[06:31] <roshan> no..they aren't
[06:31] <dr_willis> as soon as they order people to not do somthing...  they wnt to do it even more
[06:31] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: can you post a link to the issues you are talking about?
[06:31] <roshan> We cant trust.because, now, the torrent sharing has been blocked here
[06:32] <dr_willis> there are 'libre' variants of many disrtos out that try to be 100% GPL.
[06:32] <roshan> Is it possible to remove only those files that were installed after apt-get upgrade && apt-get update
[06:32] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: torrents have nothing to do with "free" or "non-free". in fact, a LOT of free software (including ubuntu) is distributed via torrents
[06:32] <dr_willis> you can remivce them.. if you know what to removce
[06:32] <xangua> roshan: free software foundation has recomended 100% free/libre  distros, if i recall gnewsence is one of them and it's based in ubuntu
[06:33] <xangua> roshan: if you want 100% you would even need to remove the kernel with has propietary blobs
[06:33] <dr_willis> but variants like gnewsence are not supported here.
[06:33] <DarwinSurvivor> xangua: well of course they have, microsoft also recommends microsoft software, but that has little to do with policies in India...
[06:33] <roshan> Xangua, but, we gay GNU/Linux, so, it can be considered free.
[06:34] <DarwinSurvivor> xangua: actually, I don't think the kernel does have any proprietary blogs, only some of the modules (which are added at *runtime*) are proprietary
[06:34] <DarwinSurvivor> *blobs
[06:35] <DarwinSurvivor> xangua: if the kernel had binary blobs, they wouldn't be able to use the GPL to distribute it!
[06:35] <roshan> Can you tell me, how to remove only those after upgrade ?
[06:36] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: why is upgraded non-free software a problem, but not the original non-free software?
[06:36] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: also, if you undo the update and then never update again, you will never get security updates, which is *BAD*
[06:36] <roshan> That is a pint Darwin Survivor, ..I too wished to ask a quetion
[06:37] <urlwolf> hmm, X stopped sucking CPU. it fixed itself
[06:37] <roshan> Is it like Ubuntu only comes with  free softwares ?
[06:37] <urlwolf> but I'm very worried. An uptime of 3 days only, and this happens?
[06:37] <coy> i need dual mointur withh ubuntu 12.04
[06:37] <dr_willis> urlwolf:  i had the issue.. thought it went away.. then it came back
[06:38] <icebyte> hi
[06:38] <urlwolf> argh
[06:38] <dr_willis> urlwolf:  restarting X fixed it for me.. for a while..
[06:38] <urlwolf> but that's no solution long-term...
[06:38] <johnown> hi
[06:38] <DarwinSurvivor> urlwolf: could you re-post the original problem, the scrollback is quite long
[06:39] <urlwolf>  got /usr/bin/X  pegging a CPU all the time. it started recently. This happens even if I have very few windows open. How would I start debugging this? (Kwin as w. manager)
[06:39] <icebyte> icebytesay hello
[06:39] <johnown>  hell
[06:39] <urlwolf> uptime 3 days
[06:39] <dr_willis> urlwolf:  long term will be when they fix the bug
[06:39] <urlwolf> GUI extremely slow
[06:39] <DarwinSurvivor> urlwolf: can you install htop and then turn on the "tree" view (F5) and see if there is a bunch of stuff it has spawned?
[06:39] <urlwolf> dr_willis: hahah
[06:40] <dr_willis> urlwolf:  ive had it happen after just 8 hrs
[06:40] <urlwolf> I did
[06:40] <roshan> Anyone ??
[06:40] <urlwolf> nothing that I could see on htop
[06:40] <dr_willis> its not long uptime..its long X runtime here.
[06:40] <LordDeath> is it normal that after installing the fglrx driver I have no suspend to disk anymore?
[06:40] <urlwolf> dr_willis: correct
[06:40] <dr_willis> htop shows X taking 50% of a single  core onmy 8 core system. but its lagging like crazy.
[06:40] <urlwolf> dr_willis: did this happen with nouveau too?
[06:40] <dr_willis> restrt x - its down to 0-1% withsame apps going
[06:41] <urlwolf> dr_willis: this is exactly the problem
[06:41] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: you seem  to be going all over the place, first you wanted to remove non-free software, then you wanted to undo an update (which would not have *added* any non-free software)
[06:41] <dr_willis> i dont recall trying nouveau. it did it with every wm i tested.
[06:41] <urlwolf> maybe nouveau helps
[06:41] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: what is it *exactly* that you are worried about (software patents, codecs, copyright, proprietary software with security problems, etc)?
[06:42] <roshan> Dawin Survivor, In the software sources, the non-free extras and propreitary softwares are ticked by default.
[06:42] <roshan> That is why i asked so,
[06:42] <DarwinSurvivor> urlwolf: does this happen in all accounts, or just yours?
[06:42] <swapnendu> h
[06:42] <swapnendu> hi
[06:42] <linux> i think new kernel has more bug
[06:42] <roshan> As you said, just doing an update will not install any non free items ?
[06:42] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: and what is your reason for wanting to remove them?
[06:42] <halakar> videos in chromium still show with a blue tint on youtube, what gives?
[06:42] <roshan> hello
[06:42] <xangua> halakar: tried disabling flash hardware acceleration¿
[06:42] <icebyte> I cannot see what I have typed on a channel.
[06:43] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: no, all it will do is update the software that is already installed some of that may have been non-free, but you already had an older copy of it anyways.
[06:43] <roshan> okay
[06:43] <roshan> that saved me
[06:43] <roshan> i mean the answer you provided saved me
[06:43] <linux> why sometimes mouse stop working after startup
[06:43] <roshan> thank you
[06:44] <swapnendu> do you think that ubntustudio 11.04 is better than 12.04?
[06:44] <SilentDis> halakar: I had a similar problem.  it went away when I did reinstall of the os (kept /home, threw away everything else when I went to 12.04).  I assume it's a setting somewhere for either the nvidia driver or the flash plugin.
[06:44] <halakar> has to be flash related
[06:44] <halakar> i am a fresh install of 12.04LTS
[06:44] <halakar> this just started happening
[06:44] <DarwinSurvivor> swapnendu: probably best to ask in the #ubuntustudio channel
[06:44] <xangua> (01:42:53) xangua: halakar: tried disabling flash hardware acceleration¿
[06:45] <swapnendu> missed out 11.10
[06:45] <swapnendu> how was it>
[06:45] <swapnendu> ?
[06:45] <dr_willis> youtube has html5 features that dont use flash
[06:45] <KM0201> swapnendu: not bad.. still someone unity quirks I didn't like.. most things (for me anyway) have been resolved in 12.04
[06:46] <DarwinSurvivor> swapnendu: this channel is for support questions, if you want opinions and suggestions, please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[06:46] <swapnendu> thanks a lot Darwin
[06:46] <halakar> xangua, I can't uncheck it when i right click on the video
[06:47] <DarwinSurvivor> halakar: someone said you have to do it from full-screen (some strange flash bug)
[06:47] <dr_willis> ive seen flash bugs where yoou cant check the box's. one fix i recall was to keep the right mouse held down while clicking. (no idea why)
[06:47] <urlwolf> DarwinSurvivor: I only have one account
[06:47] <xangua> halakar: for some weird reason you have to make the video fullscreen to select Properties
[06:48] <DarwinSurvivor> urlwolf: how long does it take to notice the CPU increase (minutes, hours, days)?
[06:48] <roshan> Is there a free alternative to flash ?
[06:48] <urlwolf> for me it was ~3days
[06:48] <dr_willis> roshan:  gnash. but it works with only some sites
[06:48] <mantest> hi
[06:48] <xangua> roshan: gnash, lightspark, but don't have all features
[06:48] <urlwolf> but dr_willis says he gets it with only 8hrs
[06:49] <dr_willis> urlwolf:  or less..
[06:49] <roshan> one more question
[06:49] <urlwolf> funny thing, it fixes itself
[06:49] <mantest> icebytesay hi
[06:49] <icebyte>  hi
[06:49] <urlwolf> but I don't trust the system anymoree
[06:49] <roshan> I get a battery backup of less than 1 hour. is it possible to improve it?
[06:49] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: on a UPS or a laptop?
[06:49] <SilentDis> roshan: you mean, off a UPS or from your laptop's battery?
[06:50] <roshan> laptop
[06:50] <dr_willis> roshan depends on the details of themacchine. there may be some tweaks for spefific make/models.
[06:50] <roshan> My laptop
[06:50] <roshan> it doesnt get enough backup
[06:50] <dr_willis> Power saveing features in the latest kernel are improved.. but some laptops still have issues
[06:50] <DarwinSurvivor> roshan: backup? you mean you can't run more than 1 hour on the battery?
[06:50] <SilentDis> roshan: age of the laptop?  I'm just trying to rule out a simple 'bad battery'
[06:50] <mantest> icebytesay icebyte will say whatever you say.
[06:50] <icebyte>  icebyte will say whatever you say.
[06:51] <halakar> weird, some videos show normal and others don't
[06:51] <dr_willis> halakar:  yep. i noticed the same thing.
[06:51] <DarwinSurvivor> halakar: it's a bug in flash, disabling hardware acceleration is the only workaround until adobe fixes it
[06:51] <dr_willis> i just started using youtube downloader tools to get them/convert to watch ;)
[06:52] <dr_willis> or use the html5 feataure
[06:52] <halakar> DarwinSurvivor, ya, but I can't click the button that disables the hardware acceleration
[06:52] <DarwinSurvivor> minitube isn't bad either
[06:52] <DarwinSurvivor> halakar: did you try it while the video was in fullscreen?
[06:52] <halakar> no
[06:52] <mantest> icebytesay icebyte say whatever you say by preceding the word icebytesay
[06:52] <icebyte>  icebyte say whatever you say by preceding the word icebytesay
[06:53] <DarwinSurvivor> halakar: you need to do that
[06:53] <DarwinSurvivor> mantest: please stop that
[06:53] <dr_willis> halakar:  or just enable html5 for youtube
[06:53] <halakar> ah, fixed it
[06:53] <halakar> I had HTML5 enabled, certain videos were fine but others were not
[06:53] <DarwinSurvivor> dr_willis: do you know if it affects other flash video sites (vimeo, etc)?
[06:54] <halakar> DarwinSurvivor, thanks for the tip.
[06:54] <dr_willis> not all vidoes may be using html5. i think youtube has most converted
[06:54] <dr_willis> DarwinSurvivor:  no idea. I dont really flash much
[06:54] <dr_willis> i tend to download and watch also...
[06:56] <halakar> it's weird it just started acting like that though
[06:57] <mantest> hello icebytesay
[06:57] <icebyte> hello
[06:57] <brianpWins> should Ubuntu have a /usr/share/dict/words Words file?
[06:57] <DarwinSurvivor> mantest: please test your bots elsewhere
[06:58] <dr_willis> !find /usr/share/dict/words
[06:58] <brianpWins> thats good and all but my system is missing it. is that something  can install via a package manager or something ?
[06:58] <brianpWins> \
[06:59] <dr_willis> bot just said its in 'dictionaries-common' package
[06:59] <decci> My Ubuntu 10.04 is unable to detect Broadcom nic bcm5720
[06:59] <decci> Neither 12.04 suports that
[06:59] <dr_willis> !broadcom
[07:00] <dr_willis> not heaard the 57# befor.
[07:00] <DarwinSurvivor> dr_willis: I think it's an ethernet card (from google)
[07:00] <dr_willis> !bcm
[07:00] <brianpWins> thank you dr_willis
[07:00] <dr_willis> rarely seen a wired card that dident work. ;)
[07:01] <dr_willis> seen a few with buggy drivers..  or several differnt drivers
[07:01] <Romance> Hello, why my ping is so high in ubuntu 11.04 (200-250ms), but when i use Windows XP , the ping is a bit low (80-100ms)
[07:01] <DarwinSurvivor> dr_willis: my x220 had a heck of a time with the wired gigabit card in it. Intel 82579LM
[07:01] <decci> Romance: Linux is meant for Networking not Windows
[07:01] <decci> :)
[07:01] <Romance> cool for networking, so why the ping is high
[07:02] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: what are you pinging?
[07:02] <decci> Romance: coz Linux is fast
[07:02] <Romance> speedtest.net
[07:02] <Romance> high ping fast?
[07:02] <DarwinSurvivor> decci: lower pings are faster, not higher ones....
[07:02] <decci> DarwinSurvivor: kidding
[07:03] <DarwinSurvivor> decci: don't do that in here, many users don't know enough to know you are kidding!
[07:03] <dr_willis> 'great app - best ive ever used !   1 Star!'
[07:03] <decci> DarwinSurvivor: Sorry
[07:03] <Romance> try to change to google dns in ubuntu, still the ping is high
[07:03] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: what are you pinging (home router, ISP server, speedtest, google.com, etc) and are you on wired, wireless or 3g?
[07:03] <dr_willis> if you ping by ip#  - the dns wont matter.. dident think dns mattered anyway
[07:04] <Romance> DarwinSurvivor : im testing my speed on speedtest.net (include ping test) , and im on wireless
[07:04] <DarwinSurvivor> dr_willis: it will matter if the dns server you are using routes you to a further server with the same name
[07:04] <dr_willis> but the ping command shows the ip# being used.
[07:05] <dr_willis> so jot down the ip#  for your benchnmarking
[07:05] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: ok, 1> are you using the same speedtest server (on the map) as you did in windows 2> what ping do you get to your router 3> have you tried wired?
[07:05] <Romance> yes in Windows im using exactly the same , tested on speedtest
[07:06] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: speedtest lets you test using different servers (see the icons on the map), did you use the same icon?
[07:06] <Romance> i dont care about being wired or wireless, i just want to know why the ping it so different?
[07:06] <Romance> im using the same server
[07:06] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: well, we need to determine if the problem is ubuntu, the wireless, the router, or something else causing the problem first!
[07:07] <Romance> what problem is that in ubuntu? thats why i asked
[07:08] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: we can't fix a problem if we don't know what is causing it. please run "ping ip_of_your_router_here" and tell us the average ping value you see
[07:08] <albech> I am trying to make a screenshot from command line using the import tool from the imagemagick package, but it seems like something is not right with the Z-indexing of windows. All windows appear maximized and without borders at the screenshot, though it looks different on screen for some reason
[07:08] <Romance> maybe i ruined the ubuntu, installed something bad or whatever, but in speedtest the speed almost the same, only the ping so huge difference
[07:08] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: I highly doubt that, if you had messed something up, you probably wouldn't get a connection at all!
[07:08] <tomahawk_> ciao
[07:09] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: please run the command I specified so we can see if it's a wireless or routing problem
[07:09] <tomahawk_> italiani?????
[07:09] <fidel_> !it | tomahawk_
[07:09] <DarwinSurvivor> !it
[07:09] <jefimenko> is there a way to force the window manager to reload from another virtual console? (ctrl+alt+F1)
[07:10] <tomahawk_> grazie ubottu
[07:10] <jefimenko> my laptop woke up from suspend and i only see a black screen with the mouse pointer
[07:10] <Romance> DarwinSurvivor : ping <IP_ADDRESS> , average 1ms
[07:10] <jefimenko> the funny thing is if i move the mouse pointer around, i can tell when it hits the password input field, because the cursor becomes the text input cursor
[07:10] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: ok, then it's not a wireless issue
[07:10] <Romance> yeah exactly
[07:10] <DarwinSurvivor> jefimenko: try blindly typing in your password and hitting enter
[07:11] <preds_> after upgrading to 12.04 I'm getting xorg using 100% of my cpu when just moving windows around the desktop, I have a high end nvidia card using the binary drivers, any suggestions where to start looking for a fix?
[07:11] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: how many times did you run the test in both windows and ubuntu?
[07:11] <jefimenko> DarwinSurvivor: i tried that. it logged me in, but the screen stayed black. i could tell that it logged me in because moving the mouse cursor around hit new text fields now (like the browser URL field)
[07:11] <jefimenko> then when i suspend and wake again, it's back to the locked screen
[07:11] <jefimenko> but black
[07:12] <DarwinSurvivor> jefimenko: sounds like a video card driver problem
[07:12] <jefimenko> i can get to the other virtual consoles perfectly fine using alt+ctrl+f1
[07:12] <Romance> i dont know DarwinSurvivor, could be few times
[07:13] <DarwinSurvivor> Romance: it's not uncommon for ping times to change throughout the day, try switching back and forth between the 2 OS's a few times and see if the difference is consistent. also, please try a normal ping test as speedtest is known to be biased at times. "ping google.com" is a fairly good way to test your latency
[07:13] <jefimenko> DarwinSurvivor: this happens about one in every 20 times i suspend. of course, it isn't fun when it happens because i usually have important coding projects and documents open
[07:13] <jefimenko> DarwinSurvivor: i'm on a nvidia optimus, using the open source nvidia driver
[07:13] <jefimenko> is there a way to force a compiz reload or something like that?
[07:13] <DarwinSurvivor> jefimenko: ok, well long-term, I'd suggest trying the binary drivers, they tend to be more stable
[07:14] <DarwinSurvivor> jefimenko: I don't think the problem is compiz, I think it's X itself, which is VERY difficult to reload without losing your runnig programs
[07:14] <DarwinSurvivor> jefimenko: do you currently have any unsaved work open?
[07:14] <jefimenko> i'm pretty sure i did
[07:14] <jefimenko> i just forgot what
[07:14] <Myrtti> DarwinSurvivor, Romance: I would try pinging the router first, to make sure it is not part of the problem
[07:15] <DarwinSurvivor> Myrtti: already did, 1ms
[07:15] <Myrtti> ah alright
[07:19] <Fat-Thing> my volume ain't working is there a way to resolve? without restarting my pc?
[07:21] <akhil_> houw to correct partial updated 12.04 ?
[07:22] <Marzata> akhil_: update it again?
[07:24] <akhil_> Marzata: i tried it i am behind network server fire wall. it is blocking some parts . how to update it fully or to remove
[07:25] <Marzata> akhil_: sudo apt-get update
[07:25] <Marzata> akhil_: after that: sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:46] <kane77> hi, I have large list of files, how do I get total of space taken?
[07:47] <mayanks43> put in a folder and see properties
[07:47] <MasterOfDisaster> kane77: du -sh <list>
[07:47] <kane77> MasterOfDisaster, the list is too long for that (~22000 files)
[07:48] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: the s part means "only give me the total"
[07:48] <MasterOfDisaster> kane77: have a look at xargs, you can sum it up yourself
[07:49] <kane77> DarwinSurvivor, well yes, but if I do du -hsc $(mylist_of_files) it fails because that's just too many arguments..
[07:49] <Fat-Thing> hi
[07:50] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: don't tell it which files and it will just do the total of the current directory
[07:50] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: you can even do "du -hs /path/to/my/directory"
[07:50] <kane77> DarwinSurvivor, these files are in different directories :/
[07:50] <bersam> hi everybody! i just installed my NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.34 last graphic from Nvidia,(it's not in the repos yet!). problem is ubuntu doesn't know this driver (driver is working), and it just load unity 2d as default! how can i force it to run unity?
[07:50] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: I've run that command on my ENTIRE home folder (over 600GB of stuff) without issue (took a while though :P)
[07:50] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: oh...
[07:51] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: are they the only files in those directories?
[07:51] <kane77> DarwinSurvivor, nope, there's a ton of stuff there :)
[07:51] <fidel_> bersam: what have you selected at login?
[07:52] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: ok. May I ask what types of files these are, this seems like a fairly strange request
[07:52] <Miscni> morning all
[07:53] <TBarth> How often do we get a new linux image?
[07:53] <TBarth> each week?
[07:53] <kane77> well, we have web app and these are files that were marked as deleted in the database but are not physically deleted from filesystem..
[07:53] <kane77> DarwinSurvivor, ^^
[07:57] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: ah, ok. well, you could run "for i in $my_list_of_files; do ln -s $i; done" in an empty directory, then run "du -hsL" from that directory
[07:57] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: just make sure you don't have any spaces in your filenames. if you do, a "while read" loop should fix it
[07:57] <kane77> Darwin4Ever, ok, got it.. cat undeleted_files | xargs du -s | cut -f 1 | awk '{total = total + $1}END{print total}'
[07:57] <wilee-nilee> TBarth, this is ubuntu support can you be more specific,
[07:57] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: that would work as well
[07:58] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: but don't use cat, use xarg's "-a undeleted_files" argument instead
[07:59] <DarwinSurvivor> kane77: and since you are checking files one at a time, the -s is pointless
[08:00] <DarwinSurvivor> "xargs -a undeleted_files du -s | cut -f 1 | awk '{total = total + $1}END{print total}'" should work a little better
[08:00] <DarwinSurvivor> oops
[08:00] <DarwinSurvivor> "xargs -a undeleted_files du | cut -f 1 | awk '{total = total + $1}END{print total}'" should work a little better
[08:00] <DarwinSurvivor> there we go
[08:00] <sbarcteam> hi.