 @dohbee [maybe teleports still needs some work on the autocompletion?], teleports does not have autocompletion no :p
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 @TotalSonic [Since it hasn't been added to Teleports yet - the "WebTelegram" webapp in the Op …], you can see usernames on teleports that way too tho.....
 @UniversalSuperBox [<reply to media>], oooh btw mind checking issue 1144 i can't figure out whats happening there, it is similar to what you see?
 @Fuseteam [oooh btw mind checking issue 1144 i can't figure out whats happening there, it i …], Be kind, give links
 uh github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1144?
 hmm wrong one
 [Edit] uh github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1145?
 ....weird
 [Edit] uh github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1143?
 ....
 [Edit] uh github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1141?
 there we go
 @UniversalSuperBox [<reply to media>], [Edit] oooh btw mind checking issue 1141 i can't figure out whats happening there, it is similar to what you see?
 Oh I can't launch that from teleports
 [Edit] uh https://ithub.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1141?
 [Edit] uh https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1141?
 what about now?
 So does it work
 The bug listed is fixed, can you use miracast now
 unity crashes and it disconnects
 it is?
 Try again
 I don't have an E4.5 or E5, so I need you to fix it and then tell me what to do
 i guess i will try again.....what was causing the crash?
 I don't know?
 ohw i did post the log, but i haven't been able to figure out what's happening
 i'll definitely will test again ofc just wondering if you see anything in the log that can point the direction i should look, but i overlooked/didn't understand
 Well it never works on the first try
 The E5 seems a little anemic to actually run external display anyway
 So I don't know if it's a good idea to enable it
 That's why I need someone to do that testing for me
 yeah i got that part
 i'll try it when i have access to an miracast receiver again
 any particularity i should pay attention to? aside from the display being casted or not
 Not really, just bang on it
 alright
 hmm i do see a message flash on the second try
 it could be the sink app i'm using.....i'll try it on my uncle's miracast tv when i get the chance
 I can only guarantee it to work on the Microsoft Display Adapter family
 I plan to test it on the win 10 connect app
 I'm dumb, I have a Surface temporarily.
 I could test that.
 Lol, you need the latest version for it to work with android, not sure about UT cause I have no test devices on hand
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'm dumb, I have a Surface temporarily.], Why do you have a surface temporarily?
 @UniversalSuperBox [I can only guarantee it to work on the Microsoft Display Adapter family], don't have access to that for now
 meanwhile i'm joining the vim master race :^3
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 @UniversalSuperBox [I couldn't exactly tell which emoji that one was supposed to be], 12 x 5 so it is this:👺
 But probably it is wrong because I did it for this (13x5)🤖
 @hummlbach [maybe @Ingo_FP_Angel knows something about the warranty conditions...], Sorry, haven't looked at the Fairphone warranty conditions in detail as I never needed to.
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 @UniversalSuperBox [The Fairphone comes at a price, but it's a pretty good piece of hardware. I've b …], How long can you watch an HD youtube video in Morph-Browser before the FP2 gets really hot and restarts itself? ;-)
 @@hiccupstix [Full disclosure I'm going to ask some noob questions here. What's up with Fairph …], Honestly, the FP2 got some "overheating-problems" in specific scenario where a lot of cpu is used, even with Android. At least mine FP2.  … But I still use it as my daily driver.
 I am trying to install UT on meizu mx4 with this tuto but I did not boot
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 @Lukas [How long can you watch an HD youtube video in Morph-Browser before the FP2 gets …], overheat in a few seconds but usually I can watch videos as long as I want (as long as I'm plugged!). My FP2 does not restart each time it is hot and it can restart even if it's cold. I think it happenens when to much apps are open at the same tim
[11:25] <ubptgbot> e or when an app bug or freeze. This processor overheat is a shame thought because the phone is good and but processor is not replaceable afaik
 @Lukas [Honestly, the FP2 got some "overheating-problems" in specific scenario where a l …], not only you unfortunately... daily driver for me too. … https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/213228026
 It's the same to me !
 @Portu51 you can get help with that in our Install group (https://t.me/WelcomePlus)
 @RedXXIII [not only you unfortunately... daily driver for me too. … https://support.fairphone …], Yes I know, but was not sure anymore, as Dalton did not mention this issue, when he told about his opinion about the FP2 to hiccupstix.
 You can use t
 @Lukas [Yes I know, but was not sure anymore, as Dalton did not mention this issue, when …], 👍
 @nanu_c [You can use t], I dont understand.
[12:59] <ubptgbot> Ward was added by: Ward
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 Hi, guys Can I start Ubuntu Touch with command line mode?
 no
 are you trying to just get a server-like system running on phone hardware?
 yes
 you can build your own custom phone images on top of halium, or you could look at using postmarketOS instead
 Is it difficult?
 yes. phones are not like traditional PC systems
 I only know little code. But I can copy.
 a Raspberry Pi 4 or such would be much better for something like that, really. turning a phone into a traditional linux server setup is not a trivial thing
 It is too expensive and I have some old age phone to deal with.
 And I would like to know if I can install in my oneplus two if there is only offical support with oneplus one because their look the same.
 no, only devices on https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io are supported
 Too bad.
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <Yann Escarbassiere> Who can give me the telegram group of portage pls ?
 you mean halium group?
 https://t.me/halium
 or this: … https://t.me/ubports_porting
[14:12] <ubptgbot> <Yann Escarbassiere> @j2g2rp [or this: … https://t.me/ubports_porting], Thx is this
 👍
[15:17] <ubptgbot> <cookie VanCamp> Anyone tried to install the os on a Samsung j3 or the like?
 @cookie VanCamp [Anyone tried to install the os on a Samsung j3 or the like?], Mardy is trying to port it https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/143
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 @Aury88, you created a Yumi without the roundel badge right?
 We have a request for that one specifically by another contributor, could you share the SVG?
 I'm very sorry, I've not with me my desk, but he can use the svg stickers in the zip file linked in the forum and easily remove the badge with inkscape or similar. Here the download link:  … https://mega.nz/#!NEkXVA5Z!CpkPvN_lh_wzTUy0zaCE1LV76EojKXOXaqthTXemaGg
 mmm, the SVGs aren't in gitlab?
 That's a good idea
 I don't know. I did not find them/it. I've had to remake yumi from 0
 Oh, that's interesting. We could have provided that. Sorry if I missed that message.
 @Aury88 [I don't know. I did not find them/it. I've had to remake yumi from 0], but the ones you have now, we should get into a repo on gitlab under ubports marketing team or whatever
 @UniversalSuperBox [Oh, that's interesting. We could have provided that. Sorry if I missed that mess …], No, I Forgot to ask it. Was easy to make it so I lost only few minutes
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 Okay, that's good
 ...I guess
 @dohbee [but the ones you have now, we should get into a repo on gitlab under ubports mar …], I'm ok with the github solution. The ones I've are the same on the linked zip file.so someone can upload them on gitlab/github
 I unlock the bootloader with https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U65ge182bCCvstm8MzPZOPWP2zrI8rOU/view?usp=drivesdk in Meizu mx4 and now what i must do to install UT
 @Portu51 were you successful unlocking your MX4?
 Then follow http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html#install-on-legacy-android-devices
 Wouldn't it just be installing Ubuntu Touch then
 Run the installer and let it fly
 No idea :)
 I mean, I don't know if installing the old Canonical image is a necessary step
 [Edit] I mean, I don't know whether installing the old Canonical image is a necessary step or not for that model
 To install it (old canonical image) is in fastboot mode?
 @Portu51 [To install it (old canonical image) is in fastboot mode?], Dalton said you can use UBports installer directly
 ok
 @dohbee [but the ones you have now, we should get into a repo on gitlab under ubports mar …], [Edit] I'm ok with the gitlab/github solution. The ones I've are the same on the linked zip file.so someone can upload them on gitlab/github
 @advocatux [I mean, I don't know whether installing the old Canonical image is a necessary s …], it is
 @advocatux [Dalton said you can use UBports installer directly], you must have the OEM Ubuntu Edition installed first (or at least, you would need to manually tweak the partitions)
 Oh duh, partitions
 Sorry
 @dohbee [you must have the OEM Ubuntu Edition installed first (or at least, you would nee …], That's what I think
 I'm wrong @Portu51, `SPFlashTool` must be used
 ok
 The mystery is solved :D
 spflashtool work in fastboot?
 can we resize partitions on those devices from fastboot? if so, maybe we could fix installer to do so on those devices if the partition sizes are wrong and Ubuntu is not already installed, then we can avoid the requirement to flash the Ubuntu Edition images first
 It's possible, depending on how the device is partitioned. Qualcomm devices sometimes use a `gpt.bin` file to flash a GPT to the flash.
 @Portu51 [spflashtool work in fastboot?], You need to turn your device completely off. Please read the instructions I linked before and be careful using SPFlash tool !!
 well, we don't need to worry about qcom :)
 only the specific OEM Ubuntu devices
 Only used for example
 Ok tomorow mornig i go tried install UT in meizu mx4
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <cookie VanCamp> @advocatux [Mardy is trying to port it https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/14 …], Thanks. Will give it a look and see what I can do.
 👍
 if partition can be handled by the installer, i think a floodgate of possibilties open up hehehe
 [Edit] if partition can be handled by the installer, i think a floodgate of possibilties open up hehehehe
 *test irc bridge*
[21:50] <mariogrip> *irc test reply*
 It works
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 cool! irc bridge har been migrated to a new server :) thats why i test it :) and it works
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[23:25] <ubptgbot> <Dai Zi> Nexus7 2013 can not update system .


[06:31] <kklimonda> how do I give someone ssh access to the controller?
[06:31] <kklimonda> I've done juju grant -c [controller] [user] superuser
[06:32] <kklimonda> and that did *someting* but now I can't figure out how to access it
[06:32] <kklimonda> juju ssh -m controller 0 says that there is no such model ctrl:[user]/controller
[06:32] <kklimonda> I've tried juju ssh -m admin/controller 0 but that also didn't work
[13:24] <lazyPower> kklimonda: I dont think add-user actually adds the ssh key. There's a juju add-ssh-key command that has to be run in order for that to work. rick_h would know best though
[13:24] <rick_h> lazyPower: correct, atm the admin has to add the key for the user
[13:24] <rick_h> lazyPower: kklimonda it's a known issue and there's a task for the future to make keys end user manageable
[13:25] <lazyPower> ty for the alley oop rick_h
[13:42] <bdx> I'm experiencing some extreme crazyness
[13:43] <bdx> c4 type instances have some issue with lxd from what I can tell
[13:43] <bdx> not sure if its juju, or lxd or what
[13:48] <bdx> the issue is happening with t2 instances too
[13:54] <Zic> lazyPower: hi, long time with no problems but today I have one :) on our test cluster (happily...) upgraded from 1.5.3 to 1.6.1, kube-dns keeps crashing with kubernetes-dashboard, saying that kind of things: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24413931/
[13:54] <Zic> juju status is all green
[13:54] <Zic> seems like a problem of endpoints services which does not respond (last part of my pastebin)
[13:55] <Zic> as it's a test cluster, I tried to reboot every single machines composing it, with no more luck
[13:57] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24413949/ <= same kind of message for a kubectl logs on kube-dns container
[13:58] <bdx> lxd is failing across the board for me right now .... on aws instances
[14:00] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24413976/
[14:00] <bdx> ^ is something I've been doing on a daily basis
[14:00] <magicalt1out> does look pretty broken
[14:01] <bdx> I woke up early to test out some newnew, and thats what I get
[14:01] <bdx> yeah ... at first I thought it was specific to instance type ... but its happening on all instance types (at least the 5 I've tried)
[14:02] <bdx> then I thought it might be a juju 2.1.2 thing .... as I just created my first model on 2.1.2 .... but I just verified its happening on 2.0.3 models as well
[14:03] <bdx> @team, what is going on here?
[14:03] <lazyPower> bdx: we're going to need bare minimum a bug report with a juju-crashdump log (you can report skinny, we dont need the charm artifacts)
[14:04] <bdx> lazyPower: is crashdump a plugin?
[14:04] <lazyPower> bdx: snap install juju-crashdump --classic, juju-crashdump -s      should get you moving
[14:04] <bdx> nice
[14:04] <bdx> thx
[14:09] <bdx> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414014/
[14:09] <lazyPower> lutostag: ping
[14:09] <lutostag> pong
[14:09] <lutostag> son of a
[14:09] <lazyPower> lutostag: i think we found a scenario where crashdump is misbehaving because of unstarted units
[14:10] <lutostag> bdx: --edge
[14:10] <lazyPower> bdx: to be clear, snap refresh juju-crashdump --edge --classic
[14:10] <lutostag> (fixed that bug, need to release it to stable)
[14:10] <lazyPower> lutostag: ty <3
[14:12] <magicalt1out> bdx_: 16:10 < lazyPower> bdx: to be clear, snap refresh juju-crashdump --edge --classic
[14:14] <lazyPower> rip
[14:15] <bdx_> crashdump now spams me with
[14:15] <bdx_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414051/
[14:15] <bdx_> lol
[14:15] <bdx_> oh no
[14:15] <bdx_> lazyPower: I appreciate the willingness to help out none the less
[14:15] <lazyPower> bdx_: thats fine
[14:15] <lazyPower> bdx_: the spam is expected
[14:15] <bdx_> ok
[14:15] <lazyPower> its doing a lot of subprocess calls, and that cgo bit is golang doing what it does best
[14:15] <bdx_> gotcha .. nice
[14:16] <lazyPower> its that or snap, i'm unconvinced on which level is spamming that
[14:16] <lazyPower> but its known and expected all the same, it takes a bit to grab everything on a large deployment, i hope you passed -s or --skinny so it doesn't spend forever nabbing all the charm source
[14:17] <lazyPower> the idea behind crashdump is we've professionalized nabbing state and debug/status messaging so we can tease apart the deployment artifacts and find root causes. Feel free to inspect the package and see what we're grabbing
[14:17] <lazyPower> any ideas on improvement are welcome
[14:18] <bdx_> oh ...
[14:18] <bdx_> ha
[14:19] <bdx_> I shall, thx
[14:21] <Zic> (lazyPower: did you see my last messages or they afraid you so much that I must have been cursed? :D)
[14:23] <bdx_> lazyPower: these models are on beta controller
[14:23] <lazyPower> Zic: totally missed it, whats up?
[14:23] <lazyPower> bdx_: so something went fubar during collection or...?
[14:23] <bdx_> lazyPower: do you think there is a possibility that juju-crashdump can't collect the info it needs because my user doesn't have permission?
[14:24] <Zic> lazyPower: (repasting my messages & pastes here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414104/)
[14:24] <lazyPower> lutostag: have we tested crashdump with jaas?
[14:24] <bdx_> no ... its just spamming hard though with "runtime/cgo: pthread_create failed: Resource temporarily unavailable"
[14:24] <lazyPower> bdx_: it takes a while, seriously. its nabbing a ton of data
[14:25] <bdx_> ok
[14:25] <lazyPower> on a 4 unit small k8s cluster the collection can take ~ 5 minutes.
[14:25] <Zic> to sum up: seems I have an Service/Endpoint problem on my K8s-test cluster upgraded to 1.6
[14:25] <lazyPower> but i di dnt pass --skinny.
[14:25] <lazyPower> Zic: looking now
[14:25] <Zic> thx
[14:26] <lazyPower> Zic: check on flannel on the unit running the dashboard, is the flannel.1 interface up?
[14:27] <lazyPower> Zic: also, check kube-proxy service is started and not in error
[14:28] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414128/
[14:28] <Zic> Flannel is OK but kube-proxy is crashed
[14:28] <lazyPower> Zic: thats why its failing
[14:28] <lazyPower> lets dig into why kube-proxy is dead, anything in the logs?
[14:28] <bdx_> lazyPower, lutostag: the last message it gave after 5 mins of spam was "runtime/cgo: need to run as root or suid"
[14:29] <bdx_> I'm guessing it needs to be ran as root?
[14:29] <bdx_> hmmm
[14:29] <Zic> lazyPower: I'm running journalctl -u kube-proxy but nothing except start/stop/backoff of systemd, do I have a better logs somewhere else?
[14:29] <lazyPower> Zic: can you just recycle the daemon? does it stick or does it immediately crash?
[14:29] <bdx_> alright ... running again as root
[14:30] <lazyPower> bdx_: hang on, you shouldnt' need to run it as root
[14:30] <lazyPower> lutostag: ^ wat
[14:30] <Zic> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414138/ <= logs from a fresh restart
[14:30] <Zic> error code 203 :x
[14:31] <lazyPower> Cynerva: ryebot  -- post standup, lets dig into this together ^
[14:31] <ryebot> lazyPower: +1
[14:31] <lazyPower> Zic: need you on ice for a bit while we do standup and will return to ask more questions
[14:32] <bdx_> heres the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1684143
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1684143: applications deployed to lxd on aws instances failing <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1684143>
[14:32] <bdx_> I'll attach crashdump output when I can get it working
[14:34] <Zic> lazyPower: no problem, thanks :)
[14:38] <Zic> lazyPower: I found this in plain-text syslog: syslog.1:Apr 18 15:20:10 ig1-k8s-04 systemd[1163]: kube-proxy.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/local/bin/kube-proxy: No such file or directory
[14:38] <lazyPower> Zic: oooo snap, that looks like a stale hash. it should be spawning from /snap/bin/kube-proxy
[14:39] <Zic> the log is from tomorrow, I'm looking at the .service systemd's unit if it's really the case
[14:39] <Zic> hmm, I have similar logs for our restart test earlier
[14:40] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414178/
[14:40] <Zic> the ExecStart is wrong so :)
[14:41] <Zic> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 425 Feb 16 11:15 /lib/systemd/system/kube-proxy.service
[14:41] <Zic> not touched by the snap upgrade
[14:42] <Zic> seems I hit the spot! :D
[14:43] <lazyPower> Zic: before you update that hang on
[14:43] <lazyPower> the snaps have a different system exec scheme, they use bash wrappers and a systemd script that gets installed on snap install.
[14:47] <Zic> (for info kube-proxy is dead on all kubernetes-worker units, I just cheched that, not only on kube-dns/kubernetes-dashboard nodes)
[14:57] <lazyPower> Zic: systemctl status snap.kube-proxy.daemon
[14:58] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414247/
[15:00] <lazyPower> xref with https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/26003
[15:00] <lazyPower> Zic: are you using network policies?
[15:01] <Zic> this test-cluster is not customized at all, the only parameter we change was docker_from_upstream
[15:01] <Zic> changed*
[15:01] <lazyPower> hmm
[15:02] <lazyPower> ok still in standup, will circle back in a sec
[15:02] <Zic> (docker_from_upstream was set to "true" before the upgrade to 1.6)
[15:04] <lazyPower> Zic: this is in reference to your workload objects
[15:05] <lazyPower> Zic: sudo iptables --list
[15:06] <lazyPower> lets see if it even created the iptables rulechains to do the serviceip forwarding
[15:06] <Zic> paste.ubuntu.com/24414272/
[15:06] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414272/
[15:10] <lutostag> hmm, bdx, this is with a jaas deployment?
[15:11] <lutostag> I'll see if I can get a one-off run to test that real quick
[15:17] <lazyPower> that seems fine...
[15:17]  * lazyPower ponders
[15:20] <Cynerva> Zic: i just remembered hitting something like this during my upgrade testing. What eventually got me in a working state was to recreate the pods that are failing
[15:21] <Zic> Cynerva: was my first attempt :)
[15:21] <lazyPower> Zic: which templates did you use?
[15:21] <lazyPower> Zic: the ones found in /etc/kubernetes?
[15:21] <Zic> the one at ~/cdk
[15:22] <Zic> oops
[15:22] <Zic> precisely at ~/snap/cdk-addons/current/addons :)
[15:22] <lazyPower> ok
[15:23] <Cynerva> dang, okay
[15:23] <Zic> through a kubectl replace -f
[15:23] <Cynerva> hmm i wonder if that recreates the pods? or just the deployment objects?
[15:24] <lazyPower> it *should* have recreated the pods
[15:24] <lazyPower> in nuke/repave style
[15:24] <lazyPower> it doesn't blue/green unless you specify a rolling update
[15:24] <Cynerva> okay
[15:25] <lazyPower> Zic: for grins on the worker
[15:25] <lazyPower> can you curl the http endpoint for your kubernetes-apiserver VIP?
[15:25] <lazyPower> curl https://<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:25] <Zic> (I tried something more agressively: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414342/)
[15:25] <Zic> (about kubectl replace)
[15:26] <lazyPower> ok
[15:26] <Zic> don't know if all this error are ignorable
[15:26] <lazyPower> so, that tells me any attempt to replace has failed
[15:26] <Zic> yup :(
[15:26] <lazyPower> you'll need to kubectl rm -f
[15:26] <lazyPower> and then reschedule
[15:26] <lazyPower> this *may* fix the issue
[15:26] <lazyPower> but i doubt it
[15:26] <Zic> ah, don't try this one, I will immediately
[15:27] <Zic> kubectl rm seems to not exist (?)
[15:27] <Zic> delete?
[15:27] <lazyPower> ya
[15:27] <lazyPower> just checking if you're awake ;)
[15:27] <Zic> :D
[15:28] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414356/
[15:28] <Zic> Container still creating
[15:28] <Zic> I'm waiting a bit
[15:29] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414359/ <= the second line is strange
[15:30] <Zic> about the curl test: root@ig1-k8s-01:~# curl https://<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:30] <Zic> Unauthorized
[15:30] <lazyPower> OH
[15:30] <lazyPower> Well thats good!
[15:31] <lazyPower> if your VIP is responding, its not a networking issue
[15:31] <lazyPower> and we expect that since you dont have the tls key on that curl command. had you included teh k8s key(s) on that curl rquest it would 404 (i think) you. As it begins at /api.
[15:32] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414374/ ContainerCreating finished but... it's another bad state now :(
[15:32] <Zic> don't know why it reached an ImagePullBackOff
[15:33] <lazyPower> Zic: give it a sec
[15:33] <lazyPower> that can happen when ther's issues hitting the gcr.io registry
[15:33] <lazyPower> temporary networking issue, saturation, noisy neighbors, etc.
[15:33] <Zic>   24s24s1kubelet, ig1-k8s-05spec.containers{influxdb}WarningFailedFailed to pull image "gcr.io/google_containers/heapster-influxdb-amd64:v1.1.1": rpc error: code = 2 desc = Error pulling image (v1.1.1) from gcr.io/google_containers/heapster-influxdb-amd64, Get https://gcr.io/v1/images/55d63942e2eb6a74ea81cbfccd95ef0f44f599a04ed4a46a41dc868a639c847d/ancestry: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:443: i/o timeout
[15:33] <Zic> seems like
[15:33] <lazyPower> yeah
[15:34] <Zic> oh, except grafana, all pods are now Running
[15:34] <lazyPower> i suspect your'e experiencing an outage atm. let me check here
[15:34] <lazyPower> \o/
[15:34] <lazyPower> nice
[15:34] <lazyPower> so it self resolved
[15:34] <Zic> kube-system   kube-dns-806549836-w842j                2/3       CrashLoopBackOff   3          6m        <IP_ADDRESS>    ig1-k8s-02
[15:34]  * lazyPower chalks it up to internet gremlins
[15:34] <Zic> kube-system   kubernetes-dashboard-2917854236-qmvn3   0/1       Error              5          6m        <IP_ADDRESS>    ig1-k8s-04
[15:34] <Zic> speaks too fast :'(
[15:34] <lazyPower> Zic: you're playing with my heart man
[15:34] <Zic> :'(
[15:34] <lazyPower> ok, lets start with dns
[15:35] <Zic> was blocked in CLBO for so much time I was too happy to see a Running state :(
[15:35] <lazyPower> whats the story with dns clbo?
[15:35] <lazyPower> failed healthc heck, failed to reach apiserver?
[15:35] <Zic>   1m1m2kubelet, ig1-k8s-02WarningFailedSyncError syncing pod, skipping: failed to "StartContainer" for "kubedns" with CrashLoopBackOff: "Back-off 20s restarting failed container=kubedns pod=kube-dns-806549836-w842j_kube-system(c5838bc9-2514-11e7-b7ef-005056949324)"
[15:35] <Zic> let me do a kubectl logs on it
[15:37] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414398/
[15:38] <Zic> grafana hits Running and stayed in Running. but kube-dns & kubernetes-dashboard are stuck in CLBO now
[15:38] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414411/ <= for dashboard
[15:40] <lazyPower> hmm
[15:40] <lazyPower> i'm uncertain why the dashboard isn't able to reach the VIP
[15:40] <lazyPower> but i'm still concerned about kube-dns
[15:40] <lazyPower> looks like the sidecar for dnsmasq metrics is whats causing it to fail
[15:42] <lazyPower> Zic: give me a repeat describe for the dns pods now that they are out of errimgpull
[15:42] <Zic> I got more info about kubernetes-dashboard through a direct `docker logs` at local worker: Error while initializing connection to Kubernetes apiserver. This most likely means that the cluster is misconfigured (e.g., it has invalid apiserver certificates or service accounts configuration) or the --apiserver-host param points to a server that does not exist. Reason: Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:443/version: dial tcp
[15:42] <Zic> <IP_ADDRESS>:443: i/o timeout
[15:43] <Zic> don't know why it got a timeout if I can curl it...
[15:43] <lazyPower> right
[15:43] <lazyPower> I'm not sure whats fishy there but somethings up
[15:43] <lazyPower> and to make this all the more interesting, our upgrade tests didn't surface this, the addons upgraded without issue
[15:44] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414438/
[15:44] <Zic> lazyPower: you know that I'm cursed and love to hit all the bug that nobody have :D
[15:45] <lazyPower> so the primary issue here is the kubednsmasq pod is still failing to pull.
[15:46] <Cynerva> Zic: can you paste journalctl logs for snap.kubelet.daemon, snap.kube-proxy.daemon, and flannel?
[15:47] <lazyPower> Zic: additionally, on any unit, try this:   docker pull gcr.io/google_containers/k8s-dns-dnsmasq-nanny-amd64:1.14.1
[15:47] <lazyPower> well, any worker. the master doesn't have docker so you'll figure out real quick to not do it there.
[15:49] <Zic> Cynerva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414459/
[15:49] <Cynerva> thanks
[15:50] <Zic> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414470/
[15:50]  * lazyPower blinks
[15:50] <lazyPower> thats *literally* the manual interaction of what that stupid kubelet operation is trying to make happen
[15:50]  * lazyPower flips tables
[15:51] <lazyPower> Zic: juju run --application kubernetes-worker "docker pull gcr.io/google_containers/k8s-dns-dnsmasq-nanny-amd64:1.14.1"
[15:51] <lazyPower> pre-load all the workers with that image. if it resolves itself, again, i dont know why, but gremlins.
[15:52] <Zic> ok, it's loading :)
[15:53] <Cynerva> nothing interesting in the service logs aside from the stream errors, and those aren't telling us much O.o
[15:53] <lazyPower> Cynerva: i see we're missing the conntrack bin. we should probably add that and pack it into kube-proxy
[15:53] <lazyPower> that'll be needed for large scale deployments so it properly tracks and terminates stale connections. conntrack bits were causing rimas problems before on another distro. I want to learn from that mistake if we can.
[15:54] <Zic> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414492/
[15:54] <Zic> problem on one of the units
[15:54] <Cynerva> hmm that's weird, kube-proxy is classic confinement
[15:54] <Zic> seems very likely that gcr.io has an issue
[15:54] <lazyPower> Zic:   UnitId: kubernetes-worker/1 <-- so we need to figure out why that unit is having connectivity issues
[15:55] <Zic> kubernetes-worker/1       active    idle   10       ig1-k8s-01
[15:55] <Zic> it's ig1-k8s-01, I will do a manual check
[15:55] <Zic> at least, it can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:56] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414505/
[15:56] <Zic> wtf :>
[15:56] <lazyPower> ah looks like it might have been 3
[15:56] <lazyPower> i misread the yaml
[15:56] <lazyPower> kubernetes-worker/3
[15:56] <Zic> oops, I did not check too :D
[15:57] <Zic> ok so it's kubernetes-worker/3*      active    idle   12       ig1-k8s-03
[15:57] <lazyPower> Zic: again, just making sure you're awake
[15:57] <Zic> :)
[15:58] <Zic> pinging is OK, it's pulling now, in progress...
[15:58] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414515/
[15:58] <Zic> it stopped
[15:58] <lazyPower> so either there's a network issue on that unit, or gcr.io is having trouble
[15:58] <lazyPower> i wouldn't be surprised of either
[15:59] <lazyPower> if you retry does it succeed or does it keep getting rejected?
[15:59] <Zic> ig1-k8s-03 has the exact same network configuration of other 4 kubernetes-worker units (they are all NATed by our hypervisor through the same public IP)
[15:59] <Zic> Status: Downloaded newer image for gcr.io/google_containers/k8s-dns-dnsmasq-nanny-amd64:1.14.1
[15:59] <Zic> just work at the second attempt...
[15:59] <Zic> silly gcr.io
[16:01] <lazyPower> Zic: did that resolve the deployment?
[16:01] <Zic> lazyPower: hmm, saw in describe pod kube-dns that it tries to redownload the docker image
[16:01] <lazyPower> now that the image is cached on all the workers, it shouldn't be complaining about image pull sync
[16:01] <Zic> even if it's already pulled :(
[16:01] <Zic>   21s21s1kubelet, ig1-k8s-03spec.containers{kubedns}NormalPullingpulling image "gcr.io/google_containers/k8s-dns-kube-dns-amd64:1.14.1"
[16:01]  * lazyPower sighs
[16:01] <lazyPower> it probably has pull: always in the manifest
[16:02] <lazyPower> because lets DDOS our registry sounds like a great plan.
[16:02] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414538/
[16:02] <Zic> huhu
[16:02] <Zic> it's sidecar now
[16:03] <lazyPower> Zic: edit the manifest for kube-dns and set teh stupid image pull policy from imagePullPolicy: Always  to    imagePullPolicy:IfNotPresent
[16:03] <lazyPower> and reschedule kubedns
[16:03] <lazyPower> (delete and recreate)
[16:04] <lazyPower> mind you this is all a work-around to whatever networking issue we're seeing
[16:04] <Zic> kubedns-cm.yaml          kubedns-controller.yaml  kubedns-sa.yaml          kubedns-svc.yaml
[16:04] <lazyPower> i'm not convinced
[16:04] <Zic> at the controller?
[16:04] <lazyPower> kbuedns-controller.yaml
[16:04] <Budgie^Smore> o/ juju world :)
[16:04] <lazyPower> ya
[16:04] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore: o/
[16:04] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore: did you bring your rocket launcher? We're on a bug hunt
[16:05] <Zic> lazyPower: in fact there is 0 ImagePullPolicy at the controller :D
[16:05] <Zic> so it must be the default value, which is... IfNotPresent
[16:05] <Zic> I don't understand :D
[16:05]  * lazyPower flips tables
[16:05] <lazyPower> Zic: i dont know what to recommend at this point
[16:05] <lazyPower> i've given every thought i can to work around this issue, the crux is the connectivity of grabbing hat image for kubedns
[16:06] <Budgie^Smore> lazyPower no rocket launcher... pop corn to watch the show though ;-)
[16:06] <lazyPower> and i have no clue why teh dashboard pod is unable to contact the VIP if the host machine can contact the VIP
[16:06] <lazyPower> you did however give us some clues that our removal was not working as expected and have a fix en-route for that
[16:07] <Zic> lazyPower: sidecar just finished to pull... but health check is not good: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414621/
[16:07] <lazyPower> well, progress
[16:07] <lazyPower> whats in the logs for the pod?
[16:07] <lazyPower> (s)
[16:07] <lazyPower> same thing where dns cant reach the service vip of kube-apiserver?
[16:08] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414651/
[16:08] <Zic> seems like it yup
[16:08] <Zic> it times out on the VIP
[16:08] <Zic> like the dashboard :(
[16:08] <Zic> reflector.go:199] k8s.io/dns/vendor/k8s.io/client-go/tools/cache/reflector.go:94: Failed to list *v1.Service: Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:443/api/v1/services?resourceVersion=0: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:443: i/o timeout
[16:09] <lazyPower> yah, i see that :(
[16:09] <lazyPower> so we've resolved the other nit-noid issues but the core of why it cant find the vip is still alien to me
[16:09] <lazyPower> if hte host can see it, the container should see it
[16:09] <lazyPower> Zic: can you fire up an ubuntu pod and attempt the same curl test?
[16:09] <lazyPower> Zic: from within the container, via kubectl exec
[16:10] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414704/ <= re-doing the test, it answered
[16:10] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore: share that popped corn
[16:10] <Zic> lazyPower: yup, trying that
[16:11] <Budgie^Smore> lazyPower come and get it :P
[16:12] <lazyPower> Open source the corn man
[16:12] <lazyPower> s/corn man/corn, man/
[16:12] <Zic> hum
[16:12] <Zic> lazyPower: no network inside a container
[16:12] <Zic> no network at all
[16:12] <lazyPower> Zic: boom
[16:12] <lazyPower> progress
[16:12] <Zic> can't do an apt install curl :(
[16:12] <lazyPower> now lets figure out why the container has no network
[16:12] <lazyPower> whats in /etc/default/docker?
[16:13] <Zic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414713/
[16:13] <Zic> pretty empty
[16:13] <Budgie^Smore> lazyPower lol now you going to get me to code a corny corn popper ;-) pun most assuredly intended!
[16:14] <Zic> hmm
[16:14] <Zic> lazyPower: strange things: this new container has no network
[16:14] <Zic> but I tried a kubectl exec at an ingress controller
[16:14] <Zic> network is up ghere
[16:14] <Zic> -g
[16:15] <Zic> why ingress-controller has network and the new container don't :o
[16:15] <Budgie^Smore> (me being lazy) you have tried killing the container and having it start on another node right?
[16:17] <Zic> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24414727/
[16:17] <Zic> don't understand this part...
[16:18] <Zic> ubuntu is running at kubernetes-worker/0
[16:18] <Zic> the ingress-controller I used is running at kubernetes-worker/4
[16:19] <lazyPower> Zic: whats the age on that ingress controller?
[16:19] <lazyPower> is it from pre-upgrade?
[16:19] <Zic> 1d
[16:19] <Zic> so after-upgrade
[16:19] <Zic> (was 62days before)
[16:19] <Zic> default       default-http-backend-35bpm              1/1       Running            1          62d       <IP_ADDRESS>    ig1-k8s-01
[16:19] <Budgie^Smore> Zic, lazyPower have you checked the IPs and iptables yet? could it be a flannel / overlay network?
[16:19] <Zic> this, however, is up since 62d
[16:20] <Zic> and is also located at ig1-k8s-01
[16:20] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore: it could be, however it should fallback to the default docker network driver iirc.
[16:21] <lazyPower> Zic: try again but watch the kubelet log
[16:21] <lazyPower> see if anything leaps out at you there
[16:22] <Zic> lazyPower: for info, pods of kube-system has no network also
[16:22] <Zic> tried in the grafana-influxdb pod
[16:22] <Zic> no network
[16:22] <Zic> seems like just ingress-controllers have network :o
[16:23] <Cynerva> Zic: ingress controllers have hostNetwork: true, so i think they bypass flannel/cni entirely
[16:23] <lazyPower> Zic: i'm at an impass now, but we've gotten deeper into the issue that seems like yet another symptom, but not the root cause
[16:24] <Cynerva> not entirely sure how that works, but they're definitely a special case
[16:24] <lazyPower> Cynerva: that would be the case if it specifies host network it doesn't use any of the containerd networking bits. its binding on teh hosts tcp stack.
[16:24] <Zic> lazyPower: could it be tied to our use of docker_from_upstream ?
[16:24] <Zic> I can switch it to false if you want
[16:24] <lazyPower> Zic: quite possible, if you switch it back to archive, do things work?
[16:25] <Zic> I will try now
[16:25] <lazyPower> Cynerva: ryebot - i dont think we've tested with upstream docker in quite some time... is this true yeah?
[16:26] <Cynerva> lazyPower: yeah, we haven't that i'm aware of
[16:26] <lazyPower> I thought so, i might actually submit a PR this week to remove that option from the k8s charms as its inhereted from layer-docker.
[16:26] <lazyPower> if we're not extensively testing it, we shouldn't offer it
[16:27] <Zic> lazyPower: we have a serious garbage collection in our prod-cluster with the Docker version of Ubuntu :(
[16:27] <Zic> it's why we switched to PPA version
[16:31] <lazyPower> Zic: thats unfortunate if this resolves the issue
[16:32] <Zic> yup :( with the docker version at Ubuntu Archive, we got a lot of dockerd stucked at garbage collecting
[16:32] <lazyPower> if it doesn't i'm not really sure where to go from here either, as this makes no sense to me that your container network just falls out
[16:32] <Zic> switching docker_from_upstream resolve immediately this issue
[16:32] <lazyPower> seriously?
[16:32] <Zic> yup :(
[16:32] <lazyPower> welp
[16:32] <lazyPower> nothing to do here
[16:32]  * lazyPower jetpacks away
[16:32] <Zic> was Kibana containers wich crash Docker garbage collection
[16:33] <lazyPower> hmmm
[16:33] <lazyPower> Zic: its 1.11.x coming from archive correct?
[16:33] <Zic> lazyPower: careful, saying that for our production-cluster, for the test-cluster we're debugging, downgrading is in progress
[16:34] <Zic> lazyPower: downgrading is finished and... all my pods are Running and have network connectivity
[16:34] <Zic> :o
[16:34] <lazyPower> Zic: perhaps it was jsut recycling docker that did it?
[16:35] <Zic> to recap what I said: we used docker_from_upstream as we hitted severe garbage collection bug with dockerd on production with heavy usage-intensive container like Kibana, with the version from PPA of docker.com, it was fixed (in 1.5.3)
[16:36] <Zic> but it seems that this docker version of docker.com breaks network in 1.6
[16:36] <lazyPower> i'm running a deploy with install_from_upstream=true right now
[16:36] <Zic> (to be clear, as we mixed our conversation about two different clusters earlier)
[16:36] <lazyPower> yep, i follow you now
[16:36] <Zic> for now, the test-cluster we're debugging here is now fixed
[16:36] <Zic> with docker_from_upstream sets to false
[16:36] <lazyPower> Zic: prior to doing that, did you attempt to restart the docker daemon?
[16:37] <lazyPower> was that part of your troubleshooting?
[16:37] <Zic> it's a bit lame as we are now using docker_from_upstream=true at production :/
[16:37] <Zic> lazyPower: after the downgrading, yeah, I restarted docker
[16:37] <lazyPower> Zic: i meant before
[16:37] <Zic> ah, yeah, rebooted the whole cluster too
[16:37] <lazyPower> Zic: well, i just deployed and upgraded
[16:37] <lazyPower> so far so good
[16:38] <lazyPower> to be clear - deployed with docker from archive, enabled install_from_upstream, things are still running
[16:38] <Zic> did you enable docker_from_upstream at 1.5.3, then upgrade to 1.6 ? :D
[16:38] <Zic> was the correct path
[16:38] <Zic> don't know if it can played at the game
[16:41] <Zic> lazyPower: the *exact* path was: switching to docker_from_upstream=true, look at juju status and when it's ended, restart docker on every kubernetes-worker units (as the juju scenario don't handle this part) <some days passed> -> upgrade to 1.6 with the Ubuntu Insights tutorial -> CLBO at kube-dns+kubernetes-dashboard after the upgrade / no network in container
[16:45] <lazyPower> Zic: running another deploy through the upgrade scenario
[16:45] <lazyPower> but i got networking with upstream docker from a fresh deployment
[16:45] <lazyPower> so, murky water here...
[16:57] <lazyPower> Zic: looks like Cynerva may have confirmed the behavior
[16:57] <lazyPower> still debugging but yeah, we're close to identifying the symptom
[17:04] <Zic> lazyPower: great! I'm leaving my office to go back to home, I will my backlog later if you find something else :)
[17:04] <bdx_> lazyPower: the issue seems to be with us-east-1a  ..... the only way I can get an instance to deploy to us-east-1a is by spaces constraint, where the subnet in the space is in 1a
[17:05] <bdx_> otherwise, `juju deploy ubuntu -n10` will not deploy anything to 1a
[17:05] <bdx_> its the instances that I get into 1a with the spaces constraint that exhibit the issue of failing lxd
[17:16] <lazyPower> Zic: the only thing to note here is that with that upstream version of docker (1.28 API) is well beyond whats been tested by upstream. In the 1.6 release notes Drop the support for docker 1.9.x. Docker versions 1.10.3, 1.11.2, 1.12.6 have been validated. Anything outside of that is likely to have gremlins, as we're finding.
[19:41] <dockerer> Hi


[00:06] <philip__> my apologies, but I need to elevate to tech support level 2 (or max level). #ubuntu level 1 support couldn't do it :-)
[00:07] <philip__> I want to install maverick onto a RAID1 array. I followed the Software RAID guide, but after creating the array, the installer says there's no / partition to install to. Any ideas?
[00:07] <Daekdroom> But.. but.. this is not the channel for maverick!
[00:08] <philip__> yeah I know. I'm just waiting for the kick/ban
[00:51] <wrst> anyone else having trouble with natty booting since the -11 kernel?
[01:06] <coz_> hey all
[01:12] <wrst> hi coz_
[01:13] <coz_> wrst,   hey guy
[01:14] <wrst> coz_: have you had any trouble with natty not booting?
[01:15] <coz_> wrst,   yes   just recently
[01:15] <wrst> me too is there a bug report on that?
[01:15] <coz_> wrst,    are you getting   monitor out of range issues  by chance?
[01:15] <wrst> i had it when i updated to the -11 kernel and tried a fresh install no better
[01:15] <wrst> i don't know what i'm getting i think kernel panic
[01:15] <wrst> i haven't messed with it much
[01:16] <coz_> wrst,    well its broken as far as I know...at least the video part
[01:16] <coz_> xserver video input
[01:16] <wrst> i did a fresh install earlier in the week, and rebooted fine updated and no boot
[01:17] <coz_> wrst,  right  I did about the same... I have a daily  build from about 2 weeks ago which installs and runs just fine...however with an update it fails at boot
[01:17] <wrst> yeah sounds like what i have, i haven't found a bug report on that but lots of stuff to filter through
[01:18] <wrst> coz_: glad to know i'm not alone :)
[01:18] <coz_> wrst,  you might find some of them under   a bug containing  monitor out of range issues
[01:18] <coz_> or    natty will not boot after updates
[01:19] <coz_> bug   natty wont boot after updates
[01:19] <wrst> ok will check that out but its known so that's good probably don't need more clutter from me
[01:19] <coz_> wrst,   yeah I went back to lucid on one machine and maverick on this one
[01:20] <wrst> i have 10.10 on this machine and arch and a small partition with natty
[01:20] <coz_> wrst,   natty is fine as long as it is classic gnome  I really dont like the netbood  session at all
[01:21] <wrst> i'm going to give it a fair chance as it is early on but that's a huge change coz_
[01:22] <coz_> wrst,   yeah of course... for me   global menu on a dual monitor setup is nearly useless... traveling all the way over to primary monitor for an application on secondary monitor to access  File Edit View menus  ,,, not a good design for dual monitors and efficiency :)
[01:23] <wrst> yeah i haven't tried it on dual monitors yet.. is that how osx does it also on dual monitors coz_ ?
[01:23] <coz_> wrst,  yes   and I have macs and dont use them with dual monitor for that reason... a global menu is not efficient for that situation
[01:24] <coz_> well they are actually old macs now  but still ...
[01:31] <wrst> yeah still the same thing
[02:46] <OchoZero9> how should i go about installing kubuntu? if i don't have a flash drive or cd drive
[02:46] <dan2> hey guys
[02:46] <Philo> Will 11.04 have Gnome 3?
[02:46] <dan2> I did a dist upgrade today or something and now I can't boot
[02:46] <OchoZero9> i have multiple laptops with windows 7, and an external hard drive
[02:46] <dan2> it's hung on init
[02:46] <dan2> not kernel issue
[02:47] <dan2> the last 3 messages I see are: init: bridge-network-interface (lo) pre-start process terminated with status 127...
[02:47] <dan2> one for each ethernet card
[02:47] <dan2> any ideas guys?
[02:53] <OchoZero9> how do i make the USB ddrive bootable?
[03:12] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, wha is on the HD now
[03:12] <nit-wit> *what
[03:16] <OchoZero9> just the iso, and the contents of the iso from unetbootin
[03:23] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, use the tab key to auto complete the nick of who you reply to so it shows who your talking:)  what is the partition on the HD and how large is it.
[03:24] <nit-wit> *to
[03:25] <OchoZero9> nit-wit, sorry I thought you where here. The parition on the external is 3.5gb
[03:25] <OchoZero9> I'm going to install it to a 250gb HDD with about 85gb for ubuntu
[03:26] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, thanks what type is the partition and do you have the usb set first to be read in the bios
[03:27] <OchoZero9> I have HDD to be read first in bios
[03:27] <OchoZero9> but I press the blue button and can temporarily chose where I want to boot from
[03:27] <OchoZero9> HDD eNet USB HDD
[03:27] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, how did you build this partion?
[03:28] <OchoZero9> nit-wit, windows disk management. I shrunk it to 3.5 and made it fat 32
[03:29] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so it is at the front of the disc the first partition
[03:29] <OchoZero9> yeah
[03:29] <OchoZero9> let me check
[03:30] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, take a screen shot and imagrbin it if you can
[03:30] <nit-wit> *image
[03:30] <OchoZero9> yes it  says new voluem (D:) 3.42 gb fat32 healthy primary partitiion and
[03:30] <OchoZero9> 52. unalocated
[03:30] <OchoZero9> okay let me sign on to irc on that computer
[03:30] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, cool
[03:32] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so this blue button is what?
[03:34] <OchoZero9> imagebin.org/131035
[03:34] <OchoZero9> nit-wit, thinkvantage button. it's like pressing f10 for bios and stuff
[03:35] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, okay thanks on the button paste the image bin again the link isn't working
[03:36] <OchoZero9_> http://imagebin.org/131035
[03:37] <nit-wit> cool I typed as well and got there hold on.
[03:37] <OchoZero9> ive been trying to install this since this morning
[03:38] <OchoZero9> with the excemption of a 3 horu nap and watching tv at the same time
[03:38] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so what happens now when you try to run it
[03:39] <OchoZero9> run what? sorry
[03:40] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you have the hd loaded it sounds like you have the bios set or the blue key option. What happens if you try to boot the HD?
[03:41] <OchoZero9_> oh
[03:41] <OchoZero9_> it shows all the drives and stuff
[03:41] <OchoZero9_> and says no operating system found next to most of them
[03:41] <OchoZero9_> as it should
[03:42] <OchoZero9_> but Im guessing since it's not bootable it doesn't go into it
[03:43] <OchoZero9_> also i ran unetbootin from another computer, now im thinking it should be run from the computer that ubuntu is going to be installed in, nit-wit?
[03:44] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, could be a number of reasons here, you may just spend a lot of time getting it to work, or not.  No any computer doesn't matter.
[03:44] <OchoZero9_> most docs are made for flash drives
[03:44] <OchoZero9_> not usb HDDs so im very confused
[03:45] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, by docs you mean what?
[03:45] <OchoZero9_> guides, everything i googled
[03:46] <OchoZero9_> couldn't find one specificallly made for external media that ins't a jump drive or a optical drive
[03:46] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, using a external this way is uncoventional. If you wan to just install to it that isa normal method, will not run as fast a dual boot probably
[03:47] <OchoZero9_> no
[03:47] <OchoZero9_> I want to dual boot
[03:48] <OchoZero9_> it's that i don't have a flash drive and my tablet pc doesn't have an optical drive
[03:48] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, get a thumb , it need only to be 1gig size at the least
[03:49] <OchoZero9_> :(
[03:49] <jo-erlend_> does natty use zeitgeist by default?
[03:49] <OchoZero9_> with ipods and phones, i really don't have a need to spend that money
[03:50] <jo-erlend_> I read that it would be an important part of unity, but I haven't seen much of it yet.
[03:50] <OchoZero9_> nit-wit, what about eithernet is that possible?
[03:51] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, actualy your best insurance is a loaded thumb for repairs on the bootloader and other ares in windows and Ubuntu, I don't know about the ethetnet. You might trying a actual relese Natty is unstable your asking for trouble actually your lucy it isn't booting to be honest, not a beginners set up at the least.
[03:52] <nit-wit> sorry for the spelling
[03:52] <OchoZero9_> i wonder if i can return it from walgreens
[03:52] <OchoZero9_> if it's over 5 bucks
[03:53] <OchoZero9_> shame is i have at least 4 thumb drives but i dont know where they are
[03:53] <OchoZero9_> brb let me search
[03:53] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, good idea
[03:53] <OchoZero9_> another question
[03:54] <OchoZero9_> what makes the comptuer kknow if it's a removable disk or not?
[03:54] <OchoZero9_> I remember some usb drives show up under removable and others under local drives
[03:57] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, if you load a thumb and it boots you want to shrink the C partiton with thw W7 disk manager before install and build a correct partition from the thumb in the unallocated space then do a custom install  will help you.  All we know is that it seems to not boot when you choose it to boot, any number of reasons why it doesn't work.
[03:57] <nit-wit> brb
[04:03] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, back
[04:03] <OchoZero9_> nice :)
[04:03] <OchoZero9_> i found a drive
[04:03] <OchoZero9_> 1gb exactly lol
[04:03] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I would try Maverick or Lucid
[04:03] <OchoZero9_> although i have a few 8gbs rolling arround somewhere
[04:03] <OchoZero9_> the reason i'm going with this is better support for touch
[04:04] <OchoZero9_> i have a captive multi touch screen
[04:04] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I see that makes sense,
[04:04] <OchoZero9_> only reason
[04:04] <OchoZero9_> aslo
[04:04] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you understand the shrink C from W7 right firs
[04:05] <OchoZero9_> no
[04:05] <nit-wit> *first right
[04:05] <OchoZero9_> http://www.lenovox201.com/2010/12/x201t-with-ubuntu-os.html
[04:06] <OchoZero9_> oh
[04:06] <OchoZero9_> shrink th epartition
[04:06] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, cool be ready for breakage though and know how to reload the MBR if needed.
[04:07] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the installer partitioner has some bugs. You always move yor W7 partitions in W7 to leave a space for Ubuntu as well
[04:07] <OchoZero9_> i know my mbr is somewhere in my 122gb  mark
[04:07] <OchoZero9_> since i can't shrink less than that
[04:08] <OchoZero9_> want me to format in windows, or just leave it unallocated?
[04:08] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the mbr is in the first 512 mib of the HD it is called sda
[04:09] <OchoZero9_> we aren't touching the first part of the Drive
[04:09] <OchoZero9_> first part of the drive isn't even the c:
[04:09] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you can't format a ext=linux type partition in Windows we will do it from the live thumb.
[04:09] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you don't understand what the mbr is
[04:09] <OchoZero9_> this stick is painfully slow :(
[04:10] <OchoZero9_> is it what tells the computer what to boot up to?
[04:10] <OchoZero9_> if you have one OS to the OS.. if you have two OS to a choose the OS prompt?
[04:10] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the mbr doesn't show in the partitiner
[04:12] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, it is the master boot record yes with more then one OS it directs the booting. It is where the booting process starts.
[04:12] <OchoZero9_> on the stick what should i put for alocation size 16 32 or 64?
[04:12] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, not sure what you mean
[04:13] <OchoZero9_> i think it's the cluster size for the thumbdrive
[04:13] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you need at least a one gig fat 32 at the front of the drive
[04:13] <OchoZero9_> I formated it
[04:13] <OchoZero9_> FAT32
[04:14] <OchoZero9_> it's capacity is 965MB
[04:14] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so load it with unetbootin, I would make sure its bootable before you shrink W7, The size ios fine
[04:14] <nit-wit> *is
[04:15] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, thats a old one eh
[04:15] <OchoZero9_> very
[04:16] <OchoZero9_> http://imagebin.org/131039
[04:17] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, alright load the thumb and lets see if it boots
[04:17] <OchoZero9_> http://imagebin.org/131040
[04:18] <jo-erlend_> hmm... How do I add the calendar from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/*ReleaseSchedule again? It used to be simple, but I can't find out how to do it with NattyReleaseSchedule, after they changed the wiki.
[04:19] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, how much ram do you have and do you want to suspend=sleep or hibernate the Ubuntu install at times
[04:19] <OchoZero9_> at the moment 3
[04:19] <OchoZero9_> im going for 8
[04:19] <OchoZero9_> and yes to sleep
[04:19] <OchoZero9_> that's why im not doing wubi
[04:20] <OchoZero9_> which seemed like the simplest solution in my case
[04:20] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, okay we will build the partitions if you get in with the thumb using a Linux partitoner called gparted on te live thumb
[04:21] <nit-wit> I'm gonnna smake a cig while you get loaded :) and get the thumb to boot
[04:21] <nit-wit> *smoke
[04:22] <OchoZero9_> okay thanks
[04:29] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, cough, hack, I'm back
[04:29] <OchoZero9_> nice
[04:29] <OchoZero9_> wb
[04:30] <OchoZero9_> this thumbdrive is super slow
[04:30] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I'm gonna cruise the Ubuntu forum while you get to needing me just tab my nick and I will be back
[04:30] <OchoZero9_> agiht, ty very much
[04:53] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, just so you know a single HD can only have 4 primary type partitions on it you have 3 now. So be careful with just moving forward without a little guidance.
[04:59] <OchoZero9_> nit-wit, this flash sucks
[04:59] <OchoZero9_> :(
[04:59] <OchoZero9_> from this guid https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[05:00] <OchoZero9_> it says usb creater can create the boot files foryou
[05:01] <OchoZero9_> but, only the stick works with that progrma not the Portable. and the stick is painfuly lsow
[05:01] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I have not ever had good luck with that particular loader
[05:02] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, did you get it loaded and try to boot it what happened if so
[05:06] <OchoZero9_> no because unetbootin is still operating on the stick
[05:06] <OchoZero9_> i wasn't kidding when i said it is going slow
[05:08] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, that is not a good sign, the HD may not have worked as it is not a flash the thumb should load in abou 2-3 minutes in a normal computer
[05:08] <OchoZero9_> :(
[05:08] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, speed for bring read for booting as in how fast the device responds is important
[05:09] <OchoZero9_> oh shi. my food
[05:09] <OchoZero9_> brb
[05:09] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I would just do a wubi until you get a fast thumb
[05:10] <OchoZero9_> i have it working on a v box
[05:10] <OchoZero9_> but my laptop is an i7 and i want to get my moneys worth
[05:10] <OchoZero9_> that's why i want to install it natively
[05:10] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the windows or the oracle
[05:11] <OchoZero9_> the sun
[05:11] <OchoZero9_> jk
[05:11] <OchoZero9_> oracle
[05:11] <OchoZero9_> i have the windows one for xp
[05:11] <OchoZero9_> and or 32bit only things
[05:12] <OchoZero9_> since i put 64bit OS  so i can upgrade the memory
[05:13] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I have all my installs native and one XP Vbox  native is a better way and more stable. The thing is you want the install to be smoth and you will need to have the thumb or cd around as you are running a unstable install with Natty. You always would want at the least a cd/thumb of te install.
[05:14] <OchoZero9_> i have an idea
[05:14] <OchoZero9_> i found my old phone
[05:15] <OchoZero9_> TP2
[05:15] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, does it have a sd sdhc card
[05:15] <OchoZero9_> i have that on my current phone
[05:15] <OchoZero9_> micro
[05:15] <OchoZero9_> thogh
[05:15] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, tp2?
[05:16] <OchoZero9_> a windows 6.5 phone
[05:16] <OchoZero9_> touch pro 2
[05:16] <OchoZero9_> brb gonna get my cold food
[05:16] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, that  computer looks nice i looked it up.
[05:16] <nit-wit> brb myself
[05:29] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so it seems that you don't have a way to boot a W7 recovery/repair medium at this point is this correct?
[05:32] <OchoZero9_> I think we need to make the hard drive bootable
[05:32] <OchoZero9_> the bios can't tell the difference
[05:33] <OchoZero9_> windows can, and the way iboot and usb creater was implemented was with sticks in mind
[05:33] <OchoZero9_> brb
[05:34] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I think that you need two tools here you are missing, a bootable windows recovery/repair and a bootable Ubuntu. Without both of these, if Natty crashes and you need to put the bootloader back in the MBR you will need at the least one of them. Good practice would be to have both on thumbs
[05:35] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, your want is actually putting you in danger of bricking the whole computer until fixed.
[05:36] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I hope this makes sense, t is just not using a hammer but the correct tool to achieve your goals.:)
[05:37] <nit-wit> *it
[05:40] <OchoZero9_> I have two sticks
[05:40] <OchoZero9_> 256 and 1gb
[05:40] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the 1 gig is the slow one correct
[05:41] <OchoZero9_> yes
[05:41] <OchoZero9_> I also have another idea
[05:42] <OchoZero9_> is it possible to boot to a usb, that points to an iso inanother drive?
[05:42] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I am not that geeky
[05:43] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I will tell you though that dual booting and reloading the MBR I'm real familiar with. So what I see is you just grasping for straws.
[05:44] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, not a good practice how would you feel if the computer went south and you didn't have the tools and knowledge to fix it, and had to wait a while for the tools and help
[05:44] <OchoZero9_> I know how to fix the windows part
[05:45] <OchoZero9_> shall we try the stick ?
[05:45] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so if you lost the boot to anything how would you fix that from windows
[05:46] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, did you try and boot the thumb yet?
[05:47] <OchoZero9_> id attath it to another computer
[05:47] <OchoZero9_> save all my files
[05:47] <OchoZero9_> and restore the whole thing
[05:47] <OchoZero9> I'm going to try now
[05:47] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I would just boot the recovery thumb and run one command and it would be fixed
[05:47] <OchoZero9> Let me restart that computer two times
[05:48] <OchoZero9> i'd google for a similar fix first
[05:48] <OchoZero9> but if no can do then i would have to restore
[05:48] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I will be glad to give all the information you need so you don't have to do anything but fix it
[05:49] <OchoZero9> thanks
[05:49] <OchoZero9> I'm going for the first restart
[05:49] <OchoZero9> since i shrank the partition
[05:50] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I say boot the thumb, and if it works keep it formatted, you can actually load a Linux bootloader that acts like the MS one and you can reload the grub Ubuntu bootloader if needed a very valuable tool:)
[05:51] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, tab me if you get in
[05:52] <OchoZero9> yeah ill keep it like that since i cloud or save to my phone or portables if necessary
[06:00] <OchoZero9> nit-wit, shit it booted kubuntu
[06:01] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, cool
[06:01] <OchoZero9> wait i thought that was a bad thing
[06:01] <OchoZero9> now i have achoice
[06:01] <OchoZero9> i thought it was booting to an OS in the flash, but now i have option to try or install :)
[06:02] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, yes unetn=bootin just loads the SO and boots for running with no save or a install
[06:02] <nit-wit> *ISO
[06:03] <OchoZero9> any precaustions i need to take in this part?
[06:03] <OchoZero9> prepare, deik setup, timezone, keyboard, suer info , install
[06:04] <OchoZero9> download updates while installing?
[06:04] <OchoZero9> or would it slow it down more?
[06:04] <nit-wit> I would just open the browser just make sure it works. We have to pre-build the partitions. There is a bug with the installer so a allow it to just do a auto install might wipe windows away.
[06:05] <OchoZero9> the partition is pre built in windows
[06:05] <OchoZero9> it just not formated
[06:07] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you have a unallocated space that needs to be built
[06:07] <OchoZero9> okay
[06:07] <OchoZero9> so get otu of here?
[06:08] <OchoZero9> or hit specify partitions manually
[06:08] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I haven't used kubuntu but open a terminal and run gksudo gparted
[06:09] <nit-wit> get out of the install
[06:09] <OchoZero9> oky so im going bck to where it says try KB
[06:09] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you just hit the install rather then try
[06:10] <OchoZero9> i went back to where it says try
[06:10] <OchoZero9> im ni the terminal
[06:10] <OchoZero9> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[06:10] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, so in the install part you just got to the partitoning screen
[06:11] <OchoZero9> not reayy i didn't hit next
[06:11] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, run gksudo gparted
[06:11] <OchoZero9> i just say the C drive
[06:11] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, don't go near the C drive in gparted it will be sda2
[06:12] <OchoZero9> it said type sudo apt0get instak gksu
[06:12] <OchoZero9> it installed
[06:12] <OchoZero9> nm, it didn't work
[06:13] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the command to install it would be sudo apt-get install gparted
[06:14] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, hold on I'm on the kubuntu channel confirming the partitioner
[06:15] <OchoZero9> k
[06:16] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, kubuntu is the same as ubuntu but may have a different native partitioner
[06:16] <OchoZero9> yeah
[06:17] <OchoZero9> the reason im with kubuntu is kile is the most important app for me
[06:17] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, look through the menu for one while we wait.
[06:17] <OchoZero9> and "g"parted may be gnome app
[06:18] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, gparted is its own entity
[06:18] <OchoZero9> oh ok
[06:18] <nit-wit> a very powerful one like the disk manager in W7
[06:20] <OchoZero9> OH SHIT
[06:20] <OchoZero9> i can pinch and zoom with my fingers
[06:20] <IdleOne> !language | OchoZero9
[06:21] <OchoZero9> that's nice
[06:21] <OchoZero9> no driver install or nothing
[06:21] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, look for kparted in the menu or run gksudo kparted in the termianl
[06:22] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I want one of those
[06:23] <OchoZero9> it says gksudo is not currently sintalled
[06:23] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, jsut look for kparrted in the menu then
[06:25] <nit-wit> *kparted
[06:29] <OchoZero9> i found the appstore
[06:29] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, try this in the terminal kdesu kparted
[06:29] <OchoZero9> kdesu not found
[06:29] <OchoZero9> it says the same for gksudo
[06:30] <OchoZero9> sudo parted worked
[06:30] <nit-wit> are you sure your typing it correctly and leaving a space between the words
[06:30] <OchoZero9> i tyepd
[06:30] <nit-wit> so you see a partition manager that looks kind of like the w7 one?
[06:30] <OchoZero9> 'kdesu kparted'
[06:31] <OchoZero9> no command line
[06:31] <OchoZero9> maybe because i left out the k?
[06:32] <nit-wit> so you see a partitioner that shows the partitions including the unallocated one
[06:33] <OchoZero9> all i see is : GNUE Parted 2.3 \\ Using /dev/sda // Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.  \\(parted)
[06:33] <OchoZero9> \\ is just a new line.
[06:36] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, kparted is installed on the thumb I believe, it wont be in a install software part of the menu but as a program. Without it we are dead in the water
[06:39] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, really I'm just not familiar with Kubuntu, if I was sitting there I would be able to do all this in about 2 min, because I know where and what to look for
[06:39] <OchoZero9> hmm i dont see it
[06:39] <OchoZero9> what folder whould it be under
[06:39] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, go to #kubuntu the channel and see if they can get this done
[06:52] <OchoZero9> nit-wit, shoould we just do it via command line?
[06:52] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I don't know that method
[06:54] <OchoZero9> im searching root for parted
[06:54] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I have never used Kubuntu i didn't like it, but I support any OS.
[06:54] <OchoZero9> it found a lot of ish
[06:55] <OchoZero9> gparted.desktop
[06:55] <OchoZero9> under /user/shar/app-install/desktop
[06:56] <OchoZero9> aslo gparted_0.7.0-1_amd64.deb
[06:57] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, If I new the super user command=sudo in Ubuntu and gksudo for graphical displays we could install gparted
[06:57] <OchoZero9> it doesn't let me download toher requried files
[06:58] <OchoZero9> something wrong with the download managers connecting to the internet
[06:58] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, your on a live cd it is reading the cd
[06:58] <OchoZero9> because kpackagekit can't connect, and neither can't gparted package installer
[06:59] <OchoZero9> but the internet wroks on the browser
[06:59] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, I think this is beyond me to really help. If I was in front of the computer I could do it but I'm not.
[07:00] <OchoZero9> can you remote?
[07:00] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, you grasping at straws I  have to go sorry.
[07:01] <OchoZero9> k thanks for everything
[08:20] <MTecknology> !info nginx natty
[08:21] <MTecknology> heh... a tad bit outta date
[08:28] <alkisg> Can natty use btrfs as / without workarounds?
[09:15] <alkisg> I'm trying to install natty in a btrfs / partition and it fails with "need a separate /boot partition"
[09:15] <alkisg> Then I'm running ubiquity -b, so that it doesn't install a boot loader, and it still fails with the separate /boot message.
[09:15] <alkisg> Any way around it?
[09:16] <rww> use the alternate CD? ubiquity gets horribly confused at non-standard use cases :(
[09:16] <alkisg> Ty, will download now, is the daily .iso working? Or should I download the alpha 1 one?
[09:17] <rww> no idea, sorry
[09:20] <alkisg> Hmm I fooled ubiquity by telling it to use another partition as /boot but not format it, it doesn't have access to that partition (inside vbox), I hope it doesn't crash horribly on me later... :D
[09:30] <alkisg> The ubiquity window doesn't fit my 800x600 vbox screen, and left alt+drag doesn't work in vbox as it's reserved by the host, any way to change the shortcut so that I can move/see the ubiquity window bottom?
[09:31] <alkisg> Got it, remapped left alt to left win with gnome keyboard settings
[09:53] <alkisg> Bah no it still hanged on mounting /boot so I had to create another virtual disk and tell ubiquity to use it for /boot (and delete it later) :(
[09:56] <alkisg> Btw in my host I tried to `sudo chown /dev/sda3 alkisg:disk` so that I can give vbox access to only that partition, but it kept reverting to root:disk, any idea why or how to make it stick to alkisg:disk?
[13:05] <coz_> hey all
[13:57] <ripps> well, the natty dailies are broken for me. I get a kernel panic whenever I boot up. Thing is, this can't be entirely the kernel, because I'm using Natty's kernel in Maverick via Xorg-Edgers and it works fine.
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hi charlie-tca
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Everything working today?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> had a bit of trouble on my denpc , but I used the recovery kernel and the fix broken pkges option previous to the reboot and managed to install a whole load of required apps including the nvidia-current driver for 7600gt card I have installeds.. now all seems fine .How about you ?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> this media pc here is working well , so far
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Other than alternate images still failing, going good
[15:25] <BluesKaj> alternate images ?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, I'm using my 42" tv as a monitor for this media-server pc , but the new firefox beta doesn't pick up my kde applications font settings , so the toolbar fonts on FF too small for easy reading ...any ideas ?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> toolbar? I don't use it
[15:30] <charlie-tca> They should be set in the desktop settings somewhere, shouldn't they?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> well the bookmarks toolbar
[15:30] <charlie-tca> The only toolbar I use is Navigation
[15:31] <BluesKaj> the webpage are configurable without probs just the fonts for bookmarks toolbars and menubar
[15:32] <charlie-tca> In Xubuntu, we can grow them along with the tab and menu fonts using Appearance -> Fonts
[15:32] <charlie-tca> which is a gtk font setting, I think
[15:34] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, right , i used the gtk setting fonts, that fixed it , thanks
[15:34] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:16] <superhuman_> Hey wouldn't it be better if in Unity when you double click the top panel the window mimimizes?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> I don't think that is possible, with the single panel design
[17:27] <pace_t_zulu> anyone experiencing gnome-panel autostarting in unity?
[17:30] <om26er> pace_t_zulu, you mean gnome-panel also starting in unity?
[17:30] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: yes, as of today
[17:30] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: wasn't happening yesterday
[17:30] <om26er> hmm thats been happening for other people too I think, though i renamed gnome-panel to gnome-pa *profit* :p
[17:33] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: that's a workaround at best
[17:33] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: that will break your 'Ubuntu Classic Desktop' environment
[17:34] <om26er> pace_t_zulu, indeed, I dont use classic desktop on this test machine still I have made a desktop launcher for gnome-pa ;)
[17:35] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: i am testing unity as well... but natty needs the classic environment
[17:36] <om26er> pace_t_zulu, file a bug or find one, I wonder which package would that be for gnome-session(?)
[17:36] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: it hasn't been a problem long enough to file a bug
[17:36] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: they may be doing something transitional right now
[17:39] <om26er> dont think so, the bug has been there from pretty much day1 of compiz-unity, though you faced it now
[17:40] <om26er> pace_t_zulu, when did you last updated?
[17:40] <pace_t_zulu> in the last hour
[17:40] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: 100% updated
[17:40] <om26er> when did the problem start?
[17:41] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: today
[17:41] <om26er> hmm
[17:41] <om26er> i see a gnome-session update an hour old
[17:41] <om26er> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/2.32.1-0ubuntu8
[17:41] <om26er> check which version of gnome-session you have
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> om26er: 2.32.1-0ubuntu8
[17:44] <om26er> :|
[19:13] <gnomefreak> is 2.6.37-11 broken for everyone? it isnt installing here
[19:22] <charlie-tca> working here on 64bit Xubuntu
[19:23] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, 2.6.37-11-generic , seems ok so far
[19:24] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: are you trying to install natty?
[19:25] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: i have been on natty since tool chain upload
[19:25] <gnomefreak> it wont install here but i have a bit more work to do than i can play with it again
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Okay. It's just that the alternate images are broken. The kernel seems fine, though
[19:26] <gnomefreak> ok thanks ill get back on it in a while
[19:29] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, are you doing an upgrade from maverick
[19:29] <BluesKaj> or clean install
[19:29] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: no not sice toolchain was uploaded
[19:29] <gnomefreak> since
[19:32]  * BluesKaj wonders what toolchain is
[19:33] <charlie-tca> BluesKaj: it happens before UDS
[19:33] <charlie-tca> That is what starts the new development cycle officially
[19:34] <BluesKaj> ahhh
[19:34] <gnomefreak> here is the output of the last run i did. http://paste.ubuntu.com/550783/  be back soon
[19:37] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: partition running out of space?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: if not out of space, might try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingInstallationIssues#Corrupted%20package%20archive
[19:47] <BluesKaj> hmmm, trying to store alsamixer settings: "sudo alsactl store",  gives this error:  "xcb_connection_has_error() returned true"
[19:53] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: thanks im working on it now
[19:56] <gnomefreak> funny thing is i cant get -10 to get past plymouth but a couple of others had that issue too
[20:07] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: thanks its fixed. just needed to re download it
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Great! Glad you got it
[20:18] <knittl> hm. i cannot use webforms on my localhost apache
[20:18] <knittl> upon starting it i see errors related loading the suhosin module
[20:18] <knittl> was it removed in natty/not upgraded yet?
[20:18] <knittl> everything else (apart from forms) seems to work as expected
[20:19] <knittl> i get: [Wed Jan 05 21:19:24 2011] [notice] child pid 20988 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[20:19] <knittl> when submitting a form
[20:20] <knittl> hm well, ssl does not work either, but that's the lesser problem when testing locally
[20:20] <glennwhipple> is it okay to upgrade 10.10 to 11.04 alpha 1 using "sudo update-manager -d"?
[20:20] <knittl> glennwhipple: if you like unfinished/broken distros, yes
[20:21] <Yorvyk> glennwhipple, worked for me on a couple of machines.
[20:21] <glennwhipple> i thought i would do the upgrade, keep updating, and watch the progress on a macbook
[20:26] <Yorvyk> glennwhipple, I upgraded, in Nov last year, on a spare partition and it has been fun so far.  No major disasters, yet.
[20:27] <knittl> my apache does not work anymore :(
[20:27] <KM0201> !broken
[20:28] <knittl> KM0201: i already gave an error description -.-
[20:28] <knittl> about 10 lines above
[20:28] <KM0201> i was kidding... i actually didn't realize thas the message that comes up w/ !broken
[20:28] <KM0201> or i prolly wouldn't have triggered it
[20:28] <knittl> it's not helping either way
[20:29] <glennwhipple> i'm gonna try on my macbook except i got a lot of ppa repo's i'll have to disable but we
[20:29] <knittl> i gave information i thought was useful, if more information is needed i can give it
[20:29] <glennwhipple> we'll see how it goes
[22:09] <h4f> where can I find ubuntu appearance  ? Before I used to configure my visual effects
[22:11] <charlie-tca> It's not there yet
[22:11] <h4f> all my bars (wit close,maximize minimize etc buttons) has disappear  somewhere
[22:12] <h4f> I taught I can  restore them from there
[22:13] <h4f> any one know how I can restore this toollbar ?
[22:14] <h4f> without rebooting off-course :)
[22:21] <Dimitree> Hello and happy new year! Is the "4 lines kernel fix" implemented in 11.04 yet?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:26] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, whats up
[22:26] <BUGabundo> my owed sleep hours
[22:27] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, do you need help?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> naaa
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I'm gine
[22:27] <BUGabundo> *fine
[22:28] <nit-wit> cool carry on then.:)
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I have way to many kernels instaled :S
[22:38] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, do you have ubuntu tweak installed
[22:39] <BUGabundo> no, don't think I do
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I'm old school.. I'm from a time, where UT would cause more probs then solve
[22:40] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, please tab the nick to auto complete or I may not see you have posted a response as I move around channels.:)  ubuntu twaek has a nice kernel cleaner install the ppa
[22:40] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:40] <BUGabundo> nit-wit: are you treatning me as n00b? :D
[22:41] <BUGabundo> nit-wit: FYI I've been on IRC since 1994 :)
[22:42] <nit-wit> BUGabundo,  no I'm asking you to follow a general protocol if you relly want help on something tab it if you want to lurk and cryptically answer go somewhere else
[22:42] <IdleOne> nit-wit: BUGabundo is like old furniture in this channel
[22:42] <BUGabundo> ok ok just didn't see the need to ping you so much nit-wit... I don't like it that much, on low traffic channels
[22:42] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, good then you know the drill.:)
[22:42] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: I'm the one requesting it to open :D
[22:43] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: I know
[22:43] <BUGabundo> I know you know :D
[22:44] <IdleOne> no matter how many times we try and toss that old sofa, nobody wants to take it so we keep bringing it back in.
[22:44] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, I can appreciate you having what you want but this is a group effort is it not.
[22:44] <IdleOne> :P
[22:44] <BUGabundo> hen?
[22:44] <guntbert> nit-wit: just drop it :-)
[22:44] <nit-wit> guntbert, thaks for tabbing
[22:45] <nit-wit> *thanks
[22:45] <guntbert> ?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> its not good netetiquette to force your etiquette on others :)
[22:45] <IdleOne> nit-wit: BUG was not asking for help was more like "thinking out loud"
[22:45] <BUGabundo> correct
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I "vent" a lot
[22:45] <Dimitree> Lets try one more time :) :: If i download and install from the daily builds, Will i have the option to install btrfs without ext3/4 for grub, and also is the kernel with the "4 lines fix" included in them?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> Dimitree: not when I did it
[22:46] <BUGabundo> and no update to grub since then
[22:46] <nit-wit> IdleOne, I asked a question and they responded to me as  said I have multiple channels open. I will be glad to drop this
[22:46] <BUGabundo> oh he left :(
[22:46] <Dimitree> thanks BUGabundo
[22:46] <IdleOne> hmm, probably just having a rough day. I wouldn't worry bout it BUGabundo
[22:47] <BUGabundo> I'm having a terrible year
[22:47] <BUGabundo> and not putting it on anyone else :\
[22:47] <IdleOne> going on decade #2 for me :P
[22:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:47] <Dimitree> haha
[22:48] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: I think in this case is that he also does a lot of support in #ubuntu so he thought you were asking for help but just wanted to let you know that he channel jumps a lot.
[22:48] <IdleOne> was all just a miscommunication.
[22:49] <BUGabundo> ctrl+tab does wonders :D
[22:50] <BUGabundo> so that may make me need a couple new fingers... plus eyes
[22:52] <BUGabundo> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pidgin-data_1%3a2.7.9-1ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[22:52] <BUGabundo>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin/protocols/48/facebook.png', which is also in package pidgin-facebookchat 1.67.1-1
[22:52] <BUGabundo> speaking of which... pidgin is broken


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[15:38] <hobgoblin> hi hannie
[15:38] <hannie> lookie who's here
[15:39] <hannie> no activities though
[15:39] <hobgoblin> me and some tumbleweed - no idea if it's started, finished - audio is dead though
[15:41] <AlanBell> morning
[15:42] <hobgoblin> hello AlanBell - twice in one week then
[15:42] <AlanBell> we think audio streams start automatically in 15 minutes or so
[15:42] <hobgoblin> aah cool - thanks :)
[15:42] <hannie> do I have to set up something for audio streams?
[15:42] <AlanBell> so where are people who are out there in the internet?
[15:42] <hobgoblin> UK
[15:43] <hannie> France
[15:43] <hannie> Oakland time = 9:43?
[15:43] <AlanBell> no, 08:43
[15:44] <AlanBell> breakfast was kinda nice
[15:44] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:44] <hobgoblin> black pudding AlanBell ?
[15:44] <hannie> hope you are enjoying it ;)
[15:44] <AlanBell> had an omlette, and some pancake things with sweet fluffy cheese in them
[15:44] <AlanBell> no black pudding here
[15:45] <hannie> and no continental breakfast
[15:45] <hobgoblin> mmm
[15:45] <AlanBell> I did have a pain au chocolat
[15:45] <hobgoblin> bigger MMM's then :)
[15:45] <hannie> ah, that is continental
[15:46] <hannie> how about the croissants?
[15:46] <AlanBell> yeah, but it had the American treatment and was drizzled with chocolate on top to make your fingers messy
[15:46] <hobgoblin> lol
[15:46] <AlanBell> no croissants, which was good because you don't have to hear how they pronounce them!
[15:46] <hannie> fun
[15:46] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:47] <hannie> AlanBell, I think I know your name because you are hosting things, am I right?
[15:49] <hobgoblin> hannie: do you have this open as well ? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20724/community-roundtable-tuesday/
[15:49] <hobgoblin> I believe you can type things in it
[15:50] <hannie> let me see
[15:50] <AlanBell> hi hannie I am just here attending, but I did set up all the IRC channels so you probably saw my name on a topic or something
[15:50] <AlanBell> oh there goes the topic now
[15:51] <hannie> hobgoblin, thanks for the link
[15:54] <AlanBell> I plugged the microphones in
[15:54] <daker> AlanBell, thanks
[15:54] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:54] <hannie> I clicked on Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u
[15:54] <daker> AlanBell, can you test the mic ?
[15:54] <AlanBell> I did
[15:54] <AlanBell> it works
[15:55] <hobgoblin> I can
[15:55] <hannie> This opened Rhythmbox. Should I hear something now?
[15:55] <daker> only the left side ツ
[15:55] <daker> hannie, yes you should
[15:56] <hobgoblin> same here daker - left only
[15:57] <hobgoblin> can't add my name to the etherpad though
[15:58] <hannie> I see /tmp/room-202.ogg.m3u, rightclick to open. But I see or hear nothing when Rhythmbox opens
[15:59] <hobgoblin> hannie: mine is a http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg.m3u address
[15:59] <hannie> I'll try that one
[16:02] <hannie> I just tried another radiostation. Works fine. room-202.ogg-1.m3u doesn't do anything
[16:02] <hobgoblin> got it though :)
[16:02] <hannie> hobgoblin, what do you SEE in Rhythmbox?
[16:04] <hobgoblin> hannie: in clementine I see http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-202.ogg
[16:04] <AlanBell> VLC works fine
[16:04] <philipballew> +1 for vlc
[16:09] <daker> hhh wiwi
[16:17] <Tested> .
[16:29] <vibhav> +1
[16:30] <vibhav> Lets get a brief discussion here?
[16:30] <hannie> about what?
[16:30] <vibhav> The Documentation part
[16:33] <vibhav> About Porting apps to Ubuntu POV, shouldnt we lay stress on the Unity API
[16:33] <vibhav> That might attract upstreams
[16:38] <daker> vibhav,
[16:38] <vibhav> yes?
[16:38] <bkerensa> vibhav: can you explain the question more?
[16:38] <mhall119> can you explain that a little more?
[16:38] <vibhav> The Unity Part
[16:38] <vibhav> ?
[16:38] <JoseeAntonioR> Yes
[16:39] <linuxtech> I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up.  I think we need something to compete with Fedora's deltarpm and presto to help dialup users keep their systems secure.  apt-sync and/or debdelta are possible solutions.
[16:40] <vibhav> JoseeAntonioR: according to the Ubuntu developer portal, we must show on how powerfull the Unity API and how can they use quicklists
[16:41] <linuxtech> It reduces the downloading for updates.
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[16:56] <daker> what was this sound ?
[18:02] <dmj726> hi all
[18:04] <dmj726> hehe
[18:04] <dmj726> ctrl alt arrow FTW :P
[18:05] <dmj726> there is a pretty good case for keeping key shortcuts consistent over time whenever possible
[18:06] <dmj726> fullscreen is important sometimes
[18:06] <dmj726> playing media and games
[18:20] <dmj726> Pendulum: any orca keybinding issues?
[18:22] <dmj726> is a11y team in this meeting?
[18:23] <dmj726> We should make sure a11y team is consulted before changing any accessibility shortcuts
[18:24] <dmj726> uds-room-202_: ^^
[18:25] <Pendulum> dmj726: all of the accessibility team who is at UDS is in the room
[18:26] <dmj726> Pendulum: great :)
[18:27] <dmj726> just wanted to make sure there weren't a bunch of keybinding decisions getting made without a11y input
[18:29] <dmj726> important case in dash is switching between home/apps/docs/...
[18:32] <dmj726> are there still conflicts between existing shortcuts and negative mode?
[18:32] <dmj726> also maginification could be important for a11y
[18:32] <dmj726> Pendulum:
[18:32] <dmj726> in compiz of course
[18:33] <dmj726> they are disabled by default
[18:33] <dmj726> but work
[18:33] <dmj726> issue is keyboard shortcut conflicts
[18:33] <dmj726> there is also super m
[18:33] <dmj726> super n is negative per window
[18:34] <dmj726> super m is negative for everything
[18:42] <dmj726> ctrl maybe?
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[18:53] <dmj726> Yeah, searching for keybindings would be good
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[18:53] <dmj726> and looking up keybindings by what they do
[18:54] <dmj726> so you could search "magnify" and find bindings for that
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[04:52] <macogw> !ask schedule
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask schedule - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <macogw> @schedule
[04:52] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 08 Sep 00:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 19:00: Screencast Team | 11 Sep 15:00: Server Team meeting | 11 Sep 19:00: Technical Board | 12 Sep 20:00: Edubuntu
[04:54] <macogw> when's the next community council meeting?  it's not on the calendar... (at least not in the 2-weeks-ish range...)
[04:55] <Palintheus> there was one monday, so I imagine not for about a month
[04:56] <macogw> oh ok the wiki says every two weeks.  how far in advance are they planned?
[04:57] <macogw> er, that's not wiki, that's regular ubuntu.com website
[04:57] <macogw> ok
[04:57] <Palintheus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[04:57] <macogw> i'll just try to remember to watch the wiki for when a new agenda page goes up
[04:57] <Palintheus> I suggest if your going for membership to add your name, there are people still on the list from june
[04:58] <macogw> oh i just assumed it hadn't been edited since monday
[04:58] <Palintheus> nope, look at the bottom of the page quite a few were approved monday
[04:59] <macogw> oh i see
[04:59] <macogw> ok
[05:00] <Palintheus> and prepare to wait, the last meeting pushed 4 hrs and memberships are last :)
[05:00] <sanguinarius> @now
[05:00] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 07 2007, 03:00:19 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 20 hours 59 minutes
[05:03] <macogw> Palintheus: wow, ok
[12:13] <Balkhog> @now
[12:13] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 07 2007, 10:13:14 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 13 hours 46 minutes
[05:56] <Balkhog> @now
[05:57] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 07 2007, 15:57:07 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 8 hours 2 minutes
[09:05] <pkern> @schedule Europe/Berlin
[09:05] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team | 11 Sep 17:00: Server Team meeting | 11 Sep 21:00: Technical Board | 12 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu
[09:14] <highvolt1ge> @schedule Africa/Johannesburg
[09:14] <ubotu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team | 11 Sep 17:00: Server Team meeting | 11 Sep 21:00: Technical Board | 12 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu
[09:14] <highvolt1ge> eesh, that's late
[09:14] <highvolt1ge> (or early)
[12:43] <evand> @schedule New_York
[12:43] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 07 Sep 20:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 15:00: Screencast Team | 11 Sep 11:00: Server Team meeting | 11 Sep 15:00: Technical Board | 12 Sep 16:00: Edubuntu