[04:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: <#
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: <3
[04:38] <Hobbsee> (@ kmos)
[18:33] <Syntux> @schedule Amman
[19:13] <lukehasnoname> @schedule cdt
[19:13] <lukehasnoname> @schedule cst
[19:13] <lukehasnoname> @schedule Houston
[19:13] <lukehasnoname> @schedule CST
[19:14] <slangasek> @schedule Chicago
[19:14] <slangasek> there ;)
[19:14] <lukehasnoname> ;_;
[19:15] <lukehasnoname> that was my next try
[19:15] <slangasek> now, where are the GNOME people when I need to told-you-so them about Americans not commonly referring to their timezones by city name...
[19:19] <lukehasnoname> @schedule GMT-6
[19:19] <lukehasnoname> hahaha
[19:20] <Syntux> @schedule Mars
[19:26] <lukehasnoname> How are things in Jordan
[19:30] <Syntux> lukehasnoname, dandy
[19:31] <Syntux> lukehasnoname, ever been there?
[19:31] <lukehasnoname> not at all
[19:32] <lukehasnoname> I've never been more than 1200 miles from home
[19:32] <lukehasnoname> which means I've never been out of Texas :)
[19:32] <Syntux> heh
[19:32] <lukehasnoname> haha, no I've been to tennessee and Colorado and everywhere between and south, if you know the U.S.
[19:33] <Syntux> lukehasnoname, yeah, aware of states names, my brother been there for long time.
[19:34] <lukehasnoname> syntux: Is Jordan peaceful compared to the rest of the region?
[19:35] <Syntux> lukehasnoname, depends how you look at the region, anyway I guess we should take this into PM or #Ubuntu-offtopic
[19:47] <Seeker`> @schedule
[20:00] <mdz> good evening
[20:00] <tkamppeter> hi
[20:00] <Keybuk> evening
[20:01] <mdz> #startmeeting
[20:01] <mdz> MootBot: poke
[20:01] <jdstrand> hi
[20:01] <Keybuk> mdz: wasn't MootBot one of Dennis's?
[20:01] <pitti> hi
[20:01] <mdz> Keybuk: I haven't tried to use it in a while, but was sure it was rescued
[20:01] <pitti> hi
[20:02] <mdz> it doesn't seem to be responding. oh, well.
[20:02] <zul> hello
[20:02] <mdz> [TOPIC] core developer application from Till Kamppeter
[20:03] <mdz> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-May/001100.html
[20:04] <Keybuk> I really only have one question for tkamppeter
[20:04] <mdz> there looks to have been some controversy in the thread leading up to this application being submitted
[20:04] <Keybuk> and it's entirely unrelated to his core-dev application
[20:05] <mdz> I hope it isn't "why doesn't my printer work?"
[20:06] <\sh> evening
[20:06] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, it pretty much is ;)
[20:06] <tkamppeter> Keybuk, are we still waiting for someone?
[20:06] <\sh> Keybuk, don't buy dell..buy real hardware ,-)
[20:06] <pitti> Till is the prime example for a "specialist" developer; I hardly look at the debdiffs of system-config-printer or foomatic etc. any more, but I would carefully check a gnome-panel or udev upload from him
[20:06] <Keybuk> more "hawlp! my printer doesn't work! what can I do to help you fix it?" :)
[20:06] <mdz> tkamppeter: can you tell us about the concerns which were raised on the list with regard to the Brother driver packages?
[20:07] <mdz> tkamppeter: no, not waiting, we're just a bit slow tonight
[20:07] <mdz> Keybuk and I represent a quorum
[20:08] <tkamppeter> It was that I have uploaded the packages with some quirks in them, like a world-writable directory. I have hurried somewhat to get them in before FF and assuming that there are still 6 weeks in which the very motivated contributors could polish them.
[20:09] <pitti> (please note that this was merely uploaded to NEW, and rejected there; they never actually landed in the archive)
[20:09] <mdz> pitti: tkamppeter mentioned that you had reviewed these packages as well, and approved of their upload. any comment?
[20:09] <Keybuk> tkamppeter: had you taken any steps to motivate the contributors?
[20:09] <Keybuk> or at least alert them to the problems?
[20:09] <pitti> it was partly my fault
[20:09] <pitti> in an effort to process the<PHONE_NUMBER>2 NEW packages before FF more efficiently, I asked people to just upload, and I'd review them directly in NEW
[20:10] <tkamppeter> Keybuk, I have forwarded everything which pitti told me about which was wrong to them and I got improved packages a day later or so.
[20:10] <pitti> instead of getting them reviewed somewhere else by MOTU first
[20:10] <pitti> mdz: i. e. I said "please upload to NEW, I'll review them", instead of "I review them from <someurl>, then we fix it, then upload" (the standard procedure)
[20:10] <mdz> tkamppeter: were you aware of any of those problems before pitti reviewed the package?
[20:11] <mdz> some of them seemed like basic packaging errors
[20:12] <tkamppeter> The upstream quality of these packages was very bad. They had to do a lot of hacking to get them into a distro-installable form. I have checked the structure and whether they install smoothly on my box and whether they build under pbuilder, but I have really overlooked that there was a world-writable dir in them.
[20:12] <mdz> tkamppeter: doesn't lintian check that?
[20:13] <mdz> non-standard-dir-perm I think
[20:14] <tkamppeter> Probably I have not tried it to drive to complete lintian-cleaniness but looked only on whether it installs and runs.
[20:14] <mdz> tkamppeter: did you run lintian on the package?
[20:15] <tkamppeter> I really must look into the thread again about what exactly I have done and what I have asked the contributor to fix in which stage.
[20:17] <Seeker`> sorry bout the lack of mootbot
[20:17] <Seeker`> there have been big hosting porblems, and it doesn't seem to be working properly on its current host
[20:18] <mdz> Seeker`: sorry to hear it; please email me if there is something I can do to help
[20:18] <Keybuk> tkamppeter: I have a scenario for you.
[20:18] <Keybuk> It's after Intrepid Beta release, and you're getting a lot of bug reports about printers not working.  One of the bug reports has a patch to HAL that people are enthusiastically reporting fixes it for them, and this is getting wide publicity on forums and blogs.
[20:18] <Keybuk> What's your next step?
[20:18] <\sh> tkamppeter, any reasoning to not follow the motu rules for contributed packages from non-motus? I'm curious why you didn't send them to revu/motu with their packages, despite the fact, that motus could upload NEW packages without being reviewed when they were build from themselves
[20:19] <Seeker`> mdz: sadly, most people wont touch eggdrop. I'll try and get it fixed this evening
[20:19] <pitti> that has been discussed on the ML already: FF churn
[20:19] <mdz> pitti: the feedback of yours linked from the council's recommendation seems to pertain specifically to the comments on the brother package.  do you have more general comments as a sponsor other than what you already said about specialization?
[20:19] <tkamppeter> \sh, pitti has told me to directly upload into NEW, due to the FF. If no one has invited me to do so I had taken the standard procedure-
[20:21] <pitti> mdz: My feeling is that tkamppeter understands the freeze rules now, and I trust him enough to upload the printer specific packages (like system-config-printer, cups, foomatic, etc.); he's still not a 100% proficient packager, but a great printing package maintainer and upstream developer
[20:21] <pitti> of course I understand that right now we still don't have this DM-like concept in Ubuntu
[20:22] <tkamppeter> Keybuk, I would try out the package by myself and run it to see whether it improves the situation and does not break anything (as longs as feasable on my box). I would also check through the changes to see whether there is something broken, or whether an extra library (= new dependency) is needed ...
[20:22] <pitti> tkamppeter: what's your answer to Keybuk's scenario?
[20:23] <Keybuk> tkamppeter: ok, so your testing does indeed show that printing works again with the patch, and doesn't introduce any new dependencies
[20:23] <Keybuk> what's next?
[20:23] <tkamppeter> I would also try a build with pbuilder if the patch is non-trivial, to catch an FTBFS due to a new dep.
[20:23] <pitti> tkamppeter: just assume that the package builds, and works now
[20:24] <tkamppeter> If the patch is not very small I would try a lintian to see whether nothing in the package structure broke (or thingslike world-writale dir)
[20:24] <Keybuk> tkamppeter: builds fine, lintian shows no new problems
[20:25] <tkamppeter> If there is enough time and if other users are participating in the bug discussion I would upload the files onto my server (or PPA) and invite the others to test.
[20:25] <Keybuk> tkamppeter: you get a number of thanks from the reporters, and they say it fixes it
[20:27] <tkamppeter> (All assumiung that I do not have the printer in question) Then I would have enough confidence to upload it: Package actually improves situation for owners of the hardware in question, package is lintian-OK, package does not FTBFS, then I would sign and upload it.
[20:28] <tkamppeter> Smaller issued are then hopefully found by the wide Intrepid testing community.
[20:28] <pitti> tkamppeter: how much do you actually know about the guts of hal?
[20:29] <tkamppeter> Only more basic stuff, I have done some simple changes in hal-cups-utils, including making it actually working on Ubuntu. I have read through HAL docs for that.
[20:31] <Keybuk> there are many patches in Launchpad which appear to fix the problem
[20:31] <Keybuk> but are in fact, somewhat wrong
[20:31] <Keybuk> they may break something else you weren't testing
[20:31] <pitti> and create a huge security  hole, or are fundamentally wrong
[20:31] <Keybuk> or they may be deliberate decisions by upstream or by the person in Ubuntu who cares a lot about that
[20:32] <Keybuk> especially if you don't know much about the package in question, it's often an idea to talk to other people first
[20:32] <Keybuk> before applying a patch to HAL, even I generally check with pitti
[20:32] <Keybuk> if he's not around, others like cjwatson, slangasek or myself may be able to spot the problem you're about to introduce
[20:33] <pitti> and patches should generally be sent to upstream; after FF they should even be discussed with upstream *before* applying them (unless it's really obvious, like fixing a NULL deref, or so)
[20:34] <tkamppeter> I am also generally trying to get patches upstream, I akso dislike that the distros deviate too much from upstream as this creates a maintenance nightmare and also a lot of mail about non-upstream problems in upstream forums.
[20:34] <mdz> tkamppeter: if a mechanism were available for you to gain upload privileges for specific packages, rather than all of main (as ubuntu-core-dev currently implies), would you have opted for that rather than ubuntu-core-dev?
[20:35] <mdz> tkamppeter: or are you interested in participating more generally in development?
[20:35] <tkamppeter> For the Common Printing Dialog for example I have informed the relevant upstreams and let my GSoC student make work together with them-
[20:35] <Seeker`> #startmeeting
[20:35] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:37. The chair is Seeker`.
[20:35] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:35] <Seeker`> #endmeeting
[20:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:37.
[20:36] <mdz> Seeker`: thanks
[20:36] <Seeker`> the logs wont be available immediately, but hopefully in the next 24 hours or so
[20:37] <tkamppeter> mdz, this mechanism would be enough for me. My plans are simply to continue in the printing area. And on non-printing packages like HAL or so, I would only upload small trivial patches, never a big thing, and I usually ask here on IRC if I am in doubt with a method or idea to get something solved.
[20:38] <mdz> I am told that Launchpad will provide such a mechanism in the foreseeable future
[20:39] <mdz> and so I would like to propose the option of applying for core-dev with a commitment to limit uploads to a named set of packages
[20:39] <mdz> to be transitioned to that new access control mechanism when it becomes available
[20:39] <sirderigo> hola
[20:39] <mdz> Keybuk: would you be willing to consider that?
[20:39] <mdz> iirc we did something similar for rtg
[20:40] <tkamppeter> mdz, so I agree with that. Can we simply say that the TB agrees on that with me and activate this state as soon as the Launchpad is ready?
[20:41] <Keybuk> mdz: as in, grant core-dev privileges until such time as we can make better lists?
[20:41] <mdz> Keybuk: privileges with a social limitation
[20:41] <Keybuk> that was my feeling of the right course
[20:41] <mdz> until that social limitation can become a technical one
[20:42] <Keybuk> tkamppeter: would you be happy limiting yourself to printing packages, and where there are patches to things like HAL, still working with others like pitti to have them upload them?
[20:42] <tkamppeter> mdz, I will upload only printing stuff directly, for other things I will ask others whether it is OK before uploading.
[20:43] <mdz> tkamppeter: we will need a list of packages
[20:43] <mdz> tkamppeter: could you prepare such a list and email it to technical-board? then we can process your application by email
[20:44] <pitti> the hardy ones on https://edge.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/+packages seem like a good start
[20:45] <mdz> tkamppeter: you don't need to do it right now; we can take this offline
[20:46] <mdz> tkamppeter: are you there?
[20:47] <tkamppeter> Yes, I am here, mail sent.
[20:47] <mdz> tkamppeter: OK, we will move on with the meeting and then review the package list
[20:48] <tkamppeter> OK.
[20:48] <mdz> tkamppeter: thanks for talking with us
[20:48] <mdz> jdstrand: still here?
[20:48] <jdstrand> mdz: yep
[20:48] <mdz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu core developer application from Jamie Strandboge
[20:48] <mdz> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-May/001101.html
[20:49] <mdz> kees: are you here?  you've presumably sponsored more of Jamie's packages than anyone
[20:50] <kees> hi!
[20:50] <kees> I'm a huge super-supporter of jamie's work
[20:50] <Seeker`> mdz: You need to do #startmeeting
[20:51] <mdz> soren,zul: are you here?
[20:51] <soren> I am indeed.
[20:51] <kees> he's been doing extensive uploads to -security for a while now, and I have no reservations at all about his abilities.  any time an update is assigned to him, I know it's getting done very well.
[20:51] <mdz> Seeker`: I figured an incomplete log would be confusing, and that I should just publish my own copy
[20:51] <Seeker`> fair enough :)
[20:52] <soren> I can vouch 100% for Jamie. I have no reservations at all granting him core-dev privileges.
[20:52] <zul> mdz: I am I have uploaded a couple of Jamie's packages and I have quite happy about his work. I support him 100%
[20:52] <mdz> soren: what sort of work of his have you reviewed (presumably non-security-related)?
[20:52] <soren> He's careful and has a keen sense of detail, and most certainly has the techincal skill required.
[20:53] <mdz> jdstrand: I'm pretty familiar with your extensive work on security updates, but am curious about what you've done with more general packaging, since there's a different set of issues there
[20:53] <soren> mdz: Hm... All sorts of things really. I can't remember sponsoring a whole lot of uploads for him, but we routinely discuss packaging issues and other techincal stuff.
[20:54] <kees> I've sponsored uploads of ufw.  while it's not really part of larger existing subsystems yet, it's packaging, I think, is quite good.
[20:54] <Keybuk> "quite good" ? :-)
[20:54] <jdstrand> mdz: wrt Ubuntu, I work on ufw, auth-client-config and migrating apparmor profiles to packages. Some of the issues involved with apparmor can be seen in the wiki docoument: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApparmorProfileMigration
[20:55] <Keybuk> as mdz so wryly observed in Prague, that's British for "OMFG! STAY AWAY!" :p
[20:55] <kees> Keybuk: ah, oops.  I'm en_US
[20:55] <kees> I mean it at face value.  :)
[20:56] <kees> it's good, but not complex, packaging, is perhaps what I mean.
[20:56] <jdstrand> mdz: I am a big believer in Debian Policy, and while I don't have it memorized, I consult it frequently when packaging
[20:56] <mdz> jdstrand: you created that document, right?  very nice
[20:56] <soren> For one thing, he has demonstrated knowledge of many of the not-quite-obvious details of Debian packaging, but more importantly he's never been afraid to ask, and seems to never have to ask the same question twice.
[20:56] <jdstrand> and if I have a question or idea, I am not hesitant to ask
[20:56] <jdstrand> mdz: I did-- thank you :)
[20:56] <pitti> I reviewed auth-client-config back then for MIR, and didn't find packaging issues
[20:56] <mdz> soren: do you have any examples of not-quite-obvious details in mind?
[20:57] <mathiaz> I'd like to add that I've worked with jdstrand on Apparmor profile upgrades for hardy - that involved some in-depth discussion about postinst upgrades. This works highlitghts the strength of jdstrand general packaging skill IMO.
[20:57] <mdz> pitti: thanks for your feedback.  what sort of package features were used in it?
[20:58] <pitti> mdz: nothing really exciting; standard debhelper and control; pretty much the package you apt-get source, look at, and understand instantly :)
[20:58] <soren> mdz: I remember discussing maintainer scripts with Jamie on a few occasions, and have been positively surprised at his understanding of them. That seems to be a common stumbling point for lots of people.
[20:58] <pitti> (which is, well, good?)
[20:58] <mdz> it's basically debconfiscations + supporting bits, right?
[20:58] <pitti> auth-client-config uses nothing like that (maintscripts, debconf, etc.)
[20:59] <pitti> great ++ for running tests during build, and having tests at all
[20:59] <mdz> pitti: odd, it depends on debconf
[20:59] <zul> I think it also worth mentioning that jdstrand does alot of work on ubuntu-qa regression testing
[21:00] <pitti> ah, heh
[21:00] <mdz> Keybuk: any questions for jdstrand?
[21:01] <Keybuk> mdz: none, everything's covered
[21:01] <mdz> ok, that's plenty of feedback for me.  calling for votes then
[21:01] <Keybuk> +1
[21:01] <mdz> +1, loads of positive sponsor feedback and a strong track record of good quality work
[21:02] <mdz> jdstrand: congratulations and welcome
[21:02] <jdstrand> \o/
[21:02] <soren> \o/
[21:02] <kees> \o/ congratz jdstrand !
[21:02] <mdz> one less thing for kees to do, I hope ;-)
[21:02] <jdstrand> mdz, Keybuk: thank you :)
[21:02] <zul> yay!
[21:02] <mdz> any other business for the meeting?  we haven't had one in a while, and I'm a bit behind on email
[21:02] <jdstrand> kees, soren, mathiaz, zul: thanks for your support and great feedback all along :)
[21:03] <mdz> so if there are any pressing issues which I've overlooked, please raise them now
[21:03] <jdstrand> pitti: oh and that goes for you too! :)
[21:03] <mathiaz> jdstrand: congratzzzz ! you deserve it :)
[21:03] <Keybuk> mdz: meeting time!
[21:03] <soren> jdstrand: You're welcome. Just keep doing what you're doing :)
[21:03] <pitti> jdstrand: thanks to your good work! welcome to core-dev
[21:03] <mdz> Keybuk: indeed
[21:03] <mdz> Keybuk: do you have a proposal in mind?
[21:04] <Keybuk> mdz: I propose 1400 UTC
[21:04] <Keybuk> on tuesday
[21:05] <mdz> difficult for the UTC-7 crowd
[21:05] <Keybuk> truer
[21:05] <mdz> but I'm a fan of handling more things by email anyway
[21:05] <mdz> e.g. pitti's micro version request recently
[21:05] <Keybuk> but both of our calendars have the "Californian Morning" pretty solid :p
[21:06] <Keybuk> and I don't think it would be bad to actually make the meeting time more flexible
[21:06] <Keybuk> e.g. one week we could opt to hold it later, or earlier
[21:06] <mdz> kees: you're representing the west side...do you think it would be seen as unfortunate if the meeting moved earlier?
[21:06] <kees> this meeting?
[21:06] <mdz> kees: yes, the bi-weekly TB meeting
[21:06] <mathiaz> mdz: FYI, the ubuntu server team considers moving its meeting to tuesday 15:00 UTC
[21:07] <mdz> not something which anyone from your time zone is required to attend, but something we want to keep open to participation
[21:07] <kees> that'd be 7am
[21:07] <kees> I don't think that's unreasonable.
[21:07] <slangasek> s/Californian/Oregon/, yo ;P
[21:07] <kees> props++
[21:07] <mdz> and as Keybuk says, if someone wants to ensure that they can be here to discuss something with us, we can always adjust the time for a particular meeting
[21:08] <kees> yeah, it's not like it's 3am or anything.  7am is reasonable if some needs to discuss something live
[21:08] <mdz> if there are no objections, I'm fine with changing it, and if anyone shouts, we can discuss it further by email
[21:08] <mdz> forgiveness vs. permission and all that
[21:08] <mdz> ok, 1400 UTC it is
[21:08] <mdz> I'll notify ubuntu-devel-announce, ubuntu-news-team, etc.
[21:09] <mdz> ok, thanks everyone for participating
[21:09] <mdz> adjourned
[21:10] <lukehasnoname> Canonical should have an America regional office in Houston
[21:11] <Keybuk> lukehasnoname: it's in Lexington
[21:11] <lukehasnoname> KENTUCKY?
[21:11] <nixternal> Massachusetts
[21:11] <lukehasnoname> the state has a total population of 'hick'
[21:11] <lukehasnoname> oh
[21:11] <lukehasnoname> haha
[21:11] <lukehasnoname> couldn't stray too far from the pond, I guess
[21:11] <lukehasnoname> :)
[22:03] <JanC> @schedule Brussels
[22:11] <lukehasnoname> hm
[22:14] <ompaul> Seveas, who should be running this one?
[22:14] <Seveas> ompaul, hm?
[22:15] <Seveas> (just arrived home)
[22:15] <ompaul> ahh cc meeting should be in progress afik but ain't
[22:15] <JanC> according to the Fridge calendar & ubottu there is a meeting going on for 15 minutes now  ツ
[22:16] <Burgundavia> yes, it is just about to start
[22:16] <mdke> evening, sorry I'm late
[22:16] <Burgundavia> MikeB said his meeting is running later than he expected
[22:16] <Burgundavia> so we need elmo, sabdfl and dholbach
[22:22] <mdke> Burgundavia: difficult for us to have a meeting with just us two. How late is MikeB?
[22:23] <Burgundavia> he pinged me on gmail chat about 20 minutes and said it would be later than even his email said
[22:23] <Burgundavia> you were almost alone. The weather prevented me from flying today
[22:23] <mdke> i had a pretty late one at work, just arrived
[22:24] <mdke> do you know if the local team item was discussed at the last meeting? I believe it has been on the agenda at least since then
[22:25] <ompaul> mdke, they are up and running and handling memberships
[22:26] <mdke> ompaul: that's not the item I mean... i mean the agenda item
[22:26] <mdke> "LoCo teams as legal entities?"
[22:29] <sbc> mdke: That was discussed last time.
[22:30] <mdke> sbc: thanks, I'll have to check the logs then
[22:30] <Seveas> me too
[22:31] <sbc> mdke: We (the danish team) hope to show up at a comming meeting with a proposal for the CC, but we are not ready yet.
[22:33] <mdke> sbc: ok
[22:33] <sbc> hopefully for next meeting.
[22:33] <mdke> sbc: I'll take the agenda item off for now then
[22:37] <sbc> mdke: Feel free to do so. For the record, who is supposed to clear the agenda after a meeting?
[22:38] <mdke> sbc: we don't have a fixed rule
[22:38] <mdke> Burgundavia: I suggest we postpone the meeting. I don't have much time left now
[22:38] <sbc> ok - so I shouldn't feel bad? There is no tradition that it is the person who puts a item up there who is supposed to remove it again?
[22:39] <mdke> sbc: no, no problem
[22:39] <sbc> ok :)
[22:40] <Burgundavia> yep
[22:40] <mdke> ok. MEETING POSTPONED. Sorry to anyone who turned up hoping for a discussion :(
[22:40] <mdke> we'll rearrange the meeting as soon as possible


[01:05] <dougiel> k I have been working on getting a clean shutdown for 4 hours including googling but all I get is it hanging on my shutdown and it says is an ok message and it is just after rsync data... is this enough info just to complain about?
[01:06] <dougiel> not really too concerned about the fix as it has been around since 14.04 or 13.10
[01:06] <dougiel> just want to complain - lol
[01:30] <leumas> dougiel: lol
[01:32]  * dougiel shivers when he realizes leumas is the only one in here that has a pulse :P
[01:32] <dougiel> just kiddin
[01:32] <leumas> hehehehe
[01:33] <dougiel> Seriously I just realized a distro's weakest link is usually the community...
[01:33] <dougiel> sad but true - IMHO
[01:35] <leumas> I concur...
[01:36] <leumas> I have been struggling to get Amarok to play streams...i suceedded with podcasts
[01:43] <dougiel> I was trying to get Sabayon (Binary Gentoo) to install... I succeeded with Kubuntu...
[01:44] <dougiel> leumas, I feel dirty for even trying Gentoo base - LOL
[01:44] <leumas> hahahahaha
[01:46] <leumas> dougiel: Kubuntu as I hear is not the best but I will just stick to it for now
[01:47] <dougiel> leumas, what do they tell you is best?
[01:48] <dougiel> ... cuz the truth is what you know is the best and the community makes it better - IMHO
[01:49] <leumas> dougiel: Opensuse keeps popping in some reviews as best KDE distro the last time i checked
[01:49] <dougiel> leumas, - never tryed it
[01:49] <leumas> Yea...community support makes a distro thick and stand strong
[01:50] <dougiel> that is you and me ATM
[01:50] <dougiel> ... even half in the bag I contibute
[01:50] <leumas> I havent too...just have the ISO file in my HDD
[03:31] <TBotNik> AQll: Hate to bust topic, but need help and #mysql channel not responding: All Repeating: Installed osTicket, which deleted all DBs and tables during install.  Found the backups are corrupt so can not restore.  Anyone have a howto on finding your old DBs, Tables and data via MySQL history? On this I have critical path and processing data gone, so can not work! Cannot interact with IRC or forums correctly as all UID/PWD combos were destroyed and manage
[03:31] <TBotNik> 5,000+ account so DB is a must to login anywhere
[03:31] <Bomber4Chats> Anybody know how to deal with black screens after login?
[03:32] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: Probably a resolution issue, have you looked that up?
[03:32] <Bomber4Chats> I tried
[03:32] <Bomber4Chats> Xrandr is failing for me. Deleting local .cache doesn't help
[03:33] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: When you use "Ctrl+Alt+F1" do you get the alternate command line login?
[03:33] <Bomber4Chats> Yeah, I have access to tty1
[03:34] <TBotNik> can you login and read your X11/Xwin logs?
[03:34] <Bomber4Chats> Sure
[03:35] <Bomber4Chats> What's the command?
[03:35] <Azrathud> What happens when you type startx?
[03:35] <TBotNik> Is it showing errors?
[03:35] <Bomber4Chats> Wow..
[03:35] <Bomber4Chats> Startx was interesting
[03:36] <Bomber4Chats> Okay, so it for the login sequence in tty1, but then it went black. I no longer have access to the tty1 terminal
[03:36] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: So what did it show?
[03:36] <Bomber4Chats> It's line tty7 now
[03:36] <Bomber4Chats> Like *
[03:37] <Bomber4Chats> (brevity from phone typing)
[03:37] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: Yup X throws you into tty7 or "Ctrl+Alt+F7", is that working correctly or do you have errors?
[03:38] <Bomber4Chats> It ran the login sequence on tty1, but just before reaching the end of the progress bar, the screen went black and it's stuck like that
[03:39] <Bomber4Chats> I cannot see any errors, or specifically, nothing is presented on the screen and I'm not sure where to find the x11 loss
[03:39] <Bomber4Chats> Logs
[03:40] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: Guessing then you have some errors in your X routines that need cleanup/addressing.  Look through the logs and enter errors with "howto" to find the way to correct each!
[03:41] <Bomber4Chats> Howto x11
[03:41] <Bomber4Chats> ?
[03:42] <Bomber4Chats> Uhhhhhhh
[03:42] <Bomber4Chats> OK...
[03:42] <TBotNik> Howto fix X11 <errorno>
[03:42] <Bomber4Chats> Tty1 just came back to life
[03:42] <Azrathud> Bomber4Chats: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:42] <Bomber4Chats> Connecting to x server lost
[03:44] <Bomber4Chats> Azrathud: 15.10
[03:44] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: Sounds like something in your kernel is going endless loop!
[03:44] <Azrathud> Bomber4Chats:  http://askubuntu.com/a/615486/494879
[03:45] <TBotNik> Bomber4Chats: Check the  15.10 bug log to see if your problem is documented.  I only use LTS versions, so clear back on 14.04
[03:46] <Bomber4Chats> Azrathud I removed those files mentioned in the so thread
[03:46] <Bomber4Chats> I also just did the commands you've referenced
[03:47] <TBotNik> Azrathud: Did you see my problem and can you help?
[03:48] <TBotNik> All: Hate to bust topic, but need help and #mysql channel not responding: Installed osTicket, which deleted all DBs and tables during install.  Found the backups are corrupt so can not restore.  Anyone have a howto on finding your old DBs, Tables and data via MySQL history? On this I have critical path and processing data gone, so can not work!  Thought I was on the right direction
[03:48] <Bomber4Chats> Azrathud thanks
[03:49] <Bomber4Chats> Any idea what code isn't up to par to handle a situation like I've described?
[03:49] <Bomber4Chats> Why can't the display kernel recheck the current status at wakeup?
[03:50] <Azrathud> TBotNik: I would shutdown that drive immediately and try to recover files on that drive using another OS
[03:51] <Azrathud> TBotNik: http://dba.stackexchange.com/a/72760
[03:54] <TBotNik> Azrathud: Too late for that!  Happened days ago! Really desperate.  Tried everything I currently know and about 20 howtos, nothing.  Most point to the innodb path/fileset, but that was already gone and see nothing in the "trash".  My only hope is a 6 month old HD that quit working, because of either a bad cord or connector, so I might be able to get 6 month old data, which will be a loss of about 30% of the active data!
[03:55] <Azrathud> ouch
[03:55] <TBotNik> Azrathud: Of course anything this side of "0" is a positive!
[03:55] <TBotNik> Azrathud: Major ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch!
[03:56] <TBotNik> Azrathud: Think that's what I'll do over the weekend, so at least Monday will be semi sane!
[04:01] <Azrathud> TBotNik: Even if the file is not in the trash, it may be marked as deleted, but not actually deleted on the physical hard drive until it is overwritten
[04:02] <Azrathud> er it may be deleted, and the filesystem no longer knows about it, but the physical data may remain until it is overwritten
[04:02] <TBotNik> Azrathud: There is a lot to absorb in that HOWTO, so will work on it!  How do I reach you for followup?
[04:04] <TBotNik> Azrathud: cAN you share email in PM?
[04:05] <Azrathud> TBotNik: I do not really have in-depth knowledge in this area
[04:06] <TBotNik> Azrathud: You're  the first one in 3 weeks of fighting with some useable insight, so don't be so modest!
[06:04] <vortek> hi
[06:06] <vortek> firefox is running slow.. i got a 2.2 ghz with 8 gig ram, I shouldn't have his problem
[06:06] <vortek> any ideas?
[06:08] <genii> ...stop using Flash
[06:18] <chengzhong> test
[06:21] <DarinMiller> test successful
[07:30] <Henri> How come I cant connect to the internet with Kubuntu
[08:05] <daniel_wayne> hi
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:44] <Guest62111> Hello everybody
[11:53] <alvaropag> Hello, I'm using kubuntu-backports but the last update broke my login... sometimes the login screen show up and sometimes it doesn't. When it do shows up if I type my password it just waits and return to the same screen
[11:53] <alvaropag> Anyone with this problem too?
[12:28] <lordievader> Anything in the xsession-errors log?
[12:38] <alvaropag> @lordievader yes.... timeout in locking authority file /home/alvaro/.Xauthority and  $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server (plus a bunch of other things)
[12:41] <alvaropag> I'm starting x via a terminal on tty0 (using only "startx" - no sudo)
[12:42] <alvaropag> After this command I have to wait for the error (.Xauthority timeout) and then Ctrl+C twice to start plasma-shell (then everything works) and on tty7 it's a black screen
[12:53] <lordievader> What happens when you start X as root and run 'startkde' as a user?
[12:54] <alvaropag> I didn't try it, give me a minute
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:57] <alvaropag> @lordievader the only thing I got was sudo startx
[12:57] <alvaropag> is this what you mean?
[12:58] <alvaropag> it starts plasma, but with the root user... some apps don't start (eg. chrome)
[12:58] <lordievader> alvaropag: No, there should be some startkde, startkde5 or startplasma. (or something along those lines...)
[12:59] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, how are you doing today?
[13:00] <alvaropag> If I try startkde only, it tells me that there's no X server running... how can I start x before?
[13:08] <lordievader> alvaropag: In a different tty run as root '/usr/bin/X :0'.
[13:09] <alvaropag> thanks, I'll try
[13:22] <alvaropag> @lordievader nops, it says $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the x server (but I set $DISPLAY)
[13:39] <lordievader> Is X running on :0 and did you export the display variable to that?
[13:46] <alvaropag> yes
[13:47] <alvaropag> but it didnt connect... I verify with ps aux and echo $DISPLAY
[13:47] <alvaropag> everything was correct, x was running as root and startkde as my normal user
[14:03] <lordievader> Hmm, then I suppose that is the issue sddm/Plasma runs into.
[14:04] <lordievader> Theoretically you could purge the backports ppa see if it works then and then reinstall the ppa.
[14:05] <alvaropag> it seems so, but this started after the last update... I tried to downgrade only sddm, but it didn't work out...
[14:05] <alvaropag> I'll try to purge backports then, but I'm at school now, so I'll do it later
[14:05] <alvaropag> anyway, thanks for the help lordievader
[14:06] <lordievader> I don't think the problem lies with sddm.
[14:08] <alvaropag> I also have xorg-edgers
[14:08] <alvaropag> maybe I should purge it first
[14:09] <lordievader> Oeh, yeah. That one is known to give troubles.
[14:09] <alvaropag> hummmm, I didn't know, it always worked ok for me
[14:09] <BluesKaj> alvaropag, xorg-edgers aren't known for keepiong up with upgrades to kernel modules/drivers
[14:09] <alvaropag> I'll purge it then!
[14:14] <lordievader> Through xorg edgers you can quickly get some piece of software expecting an older version of X, while X itself is newer.
[14:35] <alvaropag> @lordievader I purged the PPA but the problem persists... start the sddm, put my password, get a blank screen for a while then it gets back to the password screen
[14:36] <BluesKaj> alvaropag, which gpu and driver?
[14:39] <alvaropag> intel gpu (with nvidia disabled) and driver i915
[14:40] <alvaropag> mesa 11.0.2, sddm 0.13
[14:40] <GreenDay> how to configure ntp under kde please?
[14:44] <lordievader> alvaropag: Did you reboot after purging?
[14:44] <alvaropag> BluesKaj: this is the start of the .xsession-errors https://jpst.it/FFr3
[14:46] <alvaropag> lordievader: yes, I rebooted it twice
[14:47] <BluesKaj> alvaropag, Optimus system, hybrid gpus on a laptop?
[14:47] <alvaropag> Yes it has, but everything is disabled... the nvidia gpu I disabled on bios
[14:48] <alvaropag> BluesKaj: I updated the link with the full .xsession-errors
[14:48] <lordievader> alvaropag: What happens when you remove the ~/.Xauthority file?
[14:49] <alvaropag> lordievader: Do I need to stop my current session before remove it?
[14:49] <alvaropag> lordievader:  I cannot remove it, because it's a root file (inside my home folder)
[14:49] <lordievader> X session? Yes.
[14:50] <lordievader> Ah, yeah that is not correct.
[14:50] <lordievader> It should be owned by your user.
[14:50] <alvaropag> yes, but it's being created by the root...
[14:50] <alvaropag> I also have .Xauthority-c and .Xauthority-l
[14:51] <alvaropag> don't know why
[14:51] <alvaropag> lordievader: Should I remove it and try to log in again?
[14:52] <lordievader> alvaropag: Yes, kill all X sessions, including SDDM. Remove the file, then start the SDDM service and try to login.
[14:52] <alvaropag> lordievader: Ok
[14:53] <BluesKaj> lordievader, he should be using nvidia-prime
[14:57] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Why? He is only using the nVidia card. Wouldn't just the nVidia driver be enough?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> his nvidia is disabled lordievader
[14:59] <lordievader> Ah. Read it wrong.
[14:59] <lordievader> Still begs the question, why nvidia-prime?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> nvidia-prime is written for hybrid graphics hardware, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/243535/how-to-make-nvidia-optimus-work-on-kubuntu-15-10
[15:02] <lordievader> But is that still necesarry if one of the two is disabled?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> think he has it backwards , as you say he should be using the nvidia, it's the more powerful gpu
[15:03] <BluesKaj> if he wants to use just one gpu
[15:04] <BluesKaj> but most optimus users run with the both
[15:04] <claudio> ita
[15:05] <BluesKaj> !it | claudio
[15:08] <alvaropag> lordievader: It recreated the file with my user, but the problem persists
[15:10] <alvaropag> lordievader:  the problem is that the $DISPLAY variable is empty and it can't connect to the Xserver... I have to kill it and do a startx (wait for the .Xauthority locking timeout then two Ctrl+C) to start it
[15:13] <lordievader> Who is the owner of the .Xauth file after that action?
[15:14] <alvaropag> lordievader: .Xauthority keeps with my user now
[15:22] <alvaropag> lordievader: I resolved it, but don't know what was wrong... I moved my .kde folder and rebooted, it recreated the .kde folder and it's working now... maybe something got corrupted along the way
[15:23] <lordievader> .kde? What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[15:26] <alvaropag> lordievader: Kubuntu 15.10 (but I'm updating it since 14.10, hehehehe - no fresh install)
[15:27] <lordievader> Hmm, Plasma 5 shouldn't use ~/.kde. But never mind that, great that you fixed it ;)
[15:28] <alvaropag> lordievader: yes... it is strange, I will do a fresh install in the next LTS
[15:28] <alvaropag> lordievader, BluesKaj thanks for the help!
[15:33] <BluesKaj> alvaropag, here's a suggestion for your optimus system if you're interested, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/243535/how-to-make-nvidia-optimus-work-on-kubuntu-15-10
[15:37] <alvaropag> BluesKaj: thanks! I'll give a look at it. I tried once, but gave up because the battery wasn't lasting that long...
[15:39] <BluesKaj> alvaropag, yeah that's the whole idea of the lower power level and higher power level gpus...battery life
[15:41] <alvaropag> BluesKaj: yes, I saw on phoronix that nvidia is trying to integrate better the optimus tecnology with mesa, but it's not ready yet...
[15:44] <BluesKaj> alvaropag, ok , good to know
[16:28] <belse> my dns is behaving strangely. lookup worked fine in one terminal but my other two there was no lookup result.. restarting wifi solved it.. why is this?
[16:29] <belse> . /etc/resolv.conf contains nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and search <mydomain>
[17:07] <rapte> belse: check NM settings for DNS
[17:07] <rapte> IIRC NM overrides the DNS if you set a DNS
[17:13] <belse> I haven't set it manually. I expect it to come from NM but somewhere it forgot it. Can't explain why it worked in one console though
[17:13] <astrmix> Всем привет
[17:14] <belse> Is there caching somewhere, because i just opened a new terminal and host <whatever> was slow but i just did one lookup fast in previous console
[17:14] <rapte> belse: yes
[17:15] <rapte> your modem or your computer may be caching it
[17:15] <belse> per terminal?
[17:15] <rapte> use dig <domain>
[17:15] <rapte> to find out who gave the response
[17:15] <belse> this was a host lookup on my local network
[17:15] <rapte> for example in my case, ;; SERVER: <IP_ADDRESS>#53(<IP_ADDRESS>) is produced
[17:15] <rapte> dnsmasq service is caching the dns
[17:17] <rapte> it's not per terminal
[17:17] <rapte> the first time you did host <whatever> in terminal 1, dnsmasq had not cached the domain name
[17:18] <belse> well i did one fast first and then started a new terminal and then it was slow
[17:18] <belse> so epxect it be cached already
[17:18] <rapte> hm
[17:18] <rapte> could be network latency
[17:18] <belse> and lookup should be <2 ms because of local network, so thinking it may search external network before domain
[17:18] <belse> didn't provide fqdn
[17:19] <rapte> what are you looking up
[17:19] <rapte> is it in your LAN
[17:19] <rapte> or what
[17:19] <rapte> "becaues of local network"
[17:19] <belse> yes, my local dns servers hostname
[17:19] <belse> had problem with autofs because of failed lookups before restarting network
[17:20] <belse> but still don't expect lookups to be slow so something is wroing
[17:20] <rapte> well, IIRC normally it will resolve recursively from <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS> (your modem) -> <IP_ADDRESS> (your DNS, for example) -> your nameserver for your domain name
[17:20] <rapte> (if nothing's cached it would pass all the way through that)
[17:20] <belse> where do i see dns gotten from dns server?
[17:20] <rapte> dig <domain>
[17:21] <rapte> you can also do dig <domain>@dns to query the domain from the DNS server at IP dns
[17:21] <belse> looks alright but does not say which dns i'm using
[17:22] <belse> i'm guessing this is only domain search relevant
[17:22] <belse> i may be way off here :)
[17:25] <belse> Ah! found the issue on the dhcpd config
[17:26] <belse> domain was changed a long time ago but config wasn't updated.. haven't had any problem with any client so far but nm must query domain before dns
[17:31] <BluesKaj> belse, try this, nmcli dev show |grep DNS
[17:33] <belse> BluesKaj, thanks i see second record not from dns server which is the router <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:33] <belse> This should not be queried
[17:33] <belse> i mean dhcp server
[17:36] <BluesKaj> belse, you can set your ISP ior other preferred DNS server IPs in your router DNS optional settings ..works on my TP-Link TL-WDR3600
[17:36] <belse> It's not the problem. I want to query my dhcp/dns server first and let it forward any unknown requests
[17:37] <belse> Here it may query router/outside world first
[17:37] <BluesKaj> anyway errands to do for a few mins...bbl
[17:37] <belse> So nm must add this automatically
[17:39] <BluesKaj> then if you want /etc/resolve.confto use specific DNS IPs then you need to set them in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head because it overwrites /etc/resolve.conf since ubuntu 13.10
[18:02] <belse> problem solved. dhcp server mess, had the router as dhcp server with dns to dns server, but it also added itself as dns server.... :P had to disable it and move everything to dedicated server..
[18:12] <cmyip> Hi All
[18:17] <peasnik> hi cmyip
[18:19] <cmyip> I'm experimenting with touchpad gestures, what is the module that handles touchpad input in KDE5?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> cmyip, kmenu>computer>system settings>input devices>touchpad
[18:32] <cmyip> BluesKaj, do you know which part of the KDE5 framework handles touchpad input? just want to view the code
[19:02] <Azrathud> ddd
[19:58] <dougiel> I have new usb stick and new dvd with 14.04.04 daily and it does not boot - any suggestions?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> dougiel, how long did dd take to copy the iso , it usially takes about 5mins for a 1G image
[20:02] <dougiel> a second but sync'd for 5 min and then sudo sync'd for a second
[20:02] <dougiel> BluesKaj,
[20:03] <BluesKaj> dd doesn't show a progress bar unless you use pv between input and the out put
[20:03] <BluesKaj> synced?
[20:04] <dougiel> dd if=some.iso pv of=/dev/sdc BS=1M?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> sudo dd if=pathtoiso | pv | sudo dd of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
[20:29] <BluesKaj> oops disconn'd by mistake
[20:29] <dougiel> just finishing up my 3rd attempt at maiking a 14.04 daily build
[20:30] <BluesKaj> dougiel, assume you've tried booting the daily on other pcs
[20:31] <dougiel> I don't even trust it - how could I entrust another working machine to be borked by the daily.
[20:32] <dougiel> I will try on this one as it is the one I have made it on
[20:32] <BluesKaj> just to see if it boots into the media , not to install
[20:32] <dougiel> brb.
[20:38] <dougiel> yes BluesKaj it boot on a real machine
[20:39] <BluesKaj> real machine ?
[20:39] <dougiel> buy hangs on the old hardware
[20:39] <dougiel> asus g75vw
[20:39] <BluesKaj> how old is that?
[20:40] <dougiel> 3 years
[20:40] <BluesKaj> not old at all
[20:41] <BluesKaj> this thing is almost 8 yrs old now
[20:41] <dougiel> the old peice of crap is 2007 but I have had gentoo installed on it and kubuntu versions.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> this is 2008 (I prefer to call it vintage)  :)
[20:42] <dougiel> fair enough
[20:45] <BluesKaj> have the nvidia 8400gs pci card and brought it up to 6G of RAM and a Samsung ssd evo 850 256Gb drive which gives it new life
[20:47] <dougiel> I get a red block and : sendbytes: error -110
[20:47] <dougiel> does tis mean anything to anyone?
[20:51] <BluesKaj> I have no clue what that could be
[20:52] <dougiel> So the question remains how do I install 14.04 on a 4coredual-vsta?
[20:54] <bprompt> 4coredual-vsta?    was iss dat?
[21:29] <d0k> Hello
[21:30] <d0k> Can anyone help me with pop up menus opening in the wrong monitor?
[21:30] <d0k> test
[21:31] <dougiel> memory tests ok...
[21:31] <DarinMiller> I have 2 monitors, but my notifications follow my primary desktop which is what I prefer.
[21:32] <dougiel> not sure why kubuntu is not installing - suggestion welcome.
[21:32] <DarinMiller> What menus are poping up in the wrong location:?
[21:32] <DarinMiller> d0k What menus are poping up in the wrong location:?
[21:32] <d0k> When I right click on anything inside of some applications
[21:33] <DarinMiller> what happens if you restart plasmashell?
[21:33] <d0k> I restarted the computer many times
[21:33] <DarinMiller> terminal command:  killall plasmashell && plasmashell &
[21:34] <d0k> Okay, I'll try
[21:34] <d0k> Same problem
[21:34] <d0k> Nothing changed
[21:36] <DarinMiller> what application?  primary or secondary montir?  (I want to try to dupliate...)  Also, what version of plasma?  (kinfocenter is an easy place to check..)
[21:37] <d0k> Spotify and Clementine. The programs are on the secondary monitor which is on the left, and when I right click in the programs, a pop up menu appears in the primary monitor on the right. Plasma 5.4.2.
[21:43] <DarinMiller> Hmmm... Clementine is working fine here, but I on plasma 5.5.4
[21:43] <d0k> Maybe I can update?
[21:46] <DarinMiller> You could try backports ppa. Are you familiar with installing ppa's?
[21:46] <d0k> I'm okay with adding ppas
[21:47] <DarinMiller> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[22:06] <federico> hola
[22:13] <Guest3173> test:)
[22:13] <clivejo> echo!
[22:14] <Guest3173> echo off
[22:14] <Guest3173> ggg
[22:31] <melodie> hi
[22:32] <Finetundra> hello melodie
[22:32] <melodie> does someone here do work on high resolution pictures?
[22:32] <melodie> hi Finetundra
[22:32] <melodie> I have to advice someone who does that, and wants a brand new tower
[22:32] <Finetundra> I'm sorry but I don't know ay about that
[22:33] <melodie> for instance, I think with the i5 or the i7 latest generation, and a screen which will be 27"
[22:33] <melodie> http://www.ldlc-pro.com/fiche/PB00181462.html
[22:34] <melodie> I think I'll suggest a GPU such as this one: http://www.ldlc-pro.com/fiche/PB00185475.html
[22:34] <melodie> what do you think?
[22:34] <melodie> hi Na3iL
[22:34] <melodie> I am not a KDE user, however he is...
[22:34] <melodie> so what do you Kubuntu users think about it?
[22:36] <Finetundra> Well, I can't say anything about the newer intel processors(I've only worked with older ones), but the GPU is pretty solid as far as I've heard. How much RAM will the system have?
[22:37] <melodie> it could have 8 GB, or eventually 16 GB (which I believe is way too much… )
[22:37] <melodie> the i5 and i7 are powerful quad cores, and the GPU will also probably be a good addition with 4GB ram?
[22:38] <melodie> what I'm not sure, if that's not too noisy with 3 fans
[22:38] <d0k> Hello again, I updated, but not to 5.5.4 but 5.5.3 plasma. The problem still persists
[22:38] <melodie> hi d0k what problem?
[22:38] <Finetundra> I'd say that he may need the 16GB of RAM. A few nights ago my buddy was saying that he was doing some video processing and he maxed out his RAM
[22:39] <Finetundra> And I doub't those fans will cause trouble
[22:39] <d0k> When I right click on inside of an app in my secondary monitor, the pop up menu appears on my main monitor
[22:39] <melodie> but video processing is much more greedy than image processing
[22:39] <melodie> he does pictures, with Gimp
[22:39] <d0k> A person here said they don't have that problem, but he has plasma 5.5.4
[22:39] <d0k> So I updated
[22:40] <Finetundra> Indeed however depending on how high level it will be that 16GB may become necessary
[22:40] <d0k> But it didn't update to 5.5.4
[22:40] <melodie> yes d0k and then after update?
[22:40] <d0k> The problem is still here
[22:40] <d0k> And the panel looks more ugly now
[22:40] <Finetundra> Have you tried a different DE all together?
[22:40] <melodie> what about if you reconfigure the panel?
[22:40] <d0k> When I hover on items, they light up light blue
[22:40] <d0k> No, I am used to KDE
[22:41] <melodie> ok Finetundra thanks
[22:42] <d0k> Does anyone have any ideas as to why I didn't update to 5.5.4?
[22:43] <d0k> I added the kubuntu backports ppa, and updated after that
[22:43] <Finetundra> sadly I have no experience with KDE 5+
[22:44] <Finetundra> I chose to stick with 4
[22:46] <melodie> d0k which edition of Kubuntu do you run?
[22:46] <d0k> 15.10
[22:47] <clivejo> 5.5.4 isnt in backports yet
[22:47] <clivejo> still in landing
[22:48] <d0k> Thanks
[22:50] <Na3iL> hey melodie
[23:06] <Mylon> Fuuuuuuuuuuck.
[23:06] <Mylon> I go to watch some Netflix and they're like...
[23:07] <d0k> I'm back, updated to plasma 5.5.4, but the problems still persist
[23:08] <valorie> !language | Mylon
[23:09] <Mylon> I am calm!  And at least I'm polite to the people here.  Microsoft on the other hand...
[23:09] <valorie> d0k: 5.5.4 is not yet in backports
[23:09] <valorie> Mylon: watch your language
[23:09] <valorie> what you said is not acceptable
[23:10] <Mylon> Oh my, am I invading your safe space?
[23:10] <d0k> Hey guys, calm down please
[23:10] <Unit193> Mylon: Just please no cussing here.  Anywho, you try netflix-desktop yet?
[23:10] <Mylon> I haven't heard about it until now!  Which is why you guys are great.  You have the answers to everything.
[23:10] <Unit193> AFAIK, there's only that unofficial option for netflix.
[23:11] <Unit193> !netflix
[23:12] <Mylon> Interesting.  I wonder why these wine patches haven't been pushed into the main version?
[23:12] <d0k> I updated to 5.5.4 from landing
[23:12] <d0k> And nothing changed
[23:12] <d0k> Except that now it says that I have 5.5.4
[23:13] <Unit193> Mylon: There was some long thing about it, I think I read it a while ago but as I don't have netflix I either forgot and/or didn't follow it.  IIRC, they were pretty hacky.
[23:13] <Mylon> Probably easier to just drop Linux.  I've used it like twice in 6 months.
[23:14] <Mylon> I just don't watch TV much and their movie selection is pretty meh.
[23:14] <Mylon> Wait.
[23:15] <Mylon> Drop Netflix, not Linux.  Derp.
[23:15] <d0k> How do I change the panel from glowing light blue when I hover on items?
[23:15] <d0k> It looks bad
[23:16] <Unit193> Mylon: Can't say I disagree with you there.  Does Amazon prime offer more of what you're looking for?  (Does it work on Linux?)
[23:16] <d0k> The items glowing light blue, I meant
[23:17] <Mylon> I don't know.  When Amazon Prime was still young it's selection was pretty poor too.  There's a lot of Arrrrrrr-flavored streaming sites out there that offer decent quality and better selection.
[23:19] <dougiel> can someone help me install kubuntu please - suse installs but sucks and I know kubuntu installs but for whatever reason I am havine extreme difficulty - please help :)
[23:20] <d0k> What's wrong, dougiel?
[23:21] <dougiel> d0k, now is hanging on 9.48... nouveau drm dcb oup 02: 04011310 00000028
[23:22] <dougiel> I guessed at installation process yesterday ( boot option and kernel options) and it installed but gparted ruined my partitions and could not get clean boot or shutdown but the problem todayis I forget what I guessed
[23:24] <d0k> Hmm, sorry, maybe someone else understands this better in this chat than me
[23:24] <d0k> I need help myself
[23:24] <dougiel> been doing this for quite a few day and I am getting fed up... I need some help but my querys
[23:24] <dougiel> what do you need help with?
[23:25] <d0k> When I right click in an app on my secondary monitor, the pop up menu appears on my main monitor
[23:31] <valorie> dougiel: sounds like you need to go back to gparted and get your partitions fixed first?
[23:31] <valorie> nothing can install in a messed up system
[23:31] <d0k> I'm back, don't know why konversation closed
[23:33] <dougiel> valorie, partition with suse and installed successfully but could not configure. I have never used suse before... how does that sound like messed up partitions?
[23:33] <valorie> ah
[23:33] <valorie> dunno, have only used suse once, long ago
[23:34] <valorie> dougiel: does the kubuntu iso you burned start up the live session successfully in any other computer?
[23:34] <dougiel> yes
[23:35] <valorie> and does it run as a live session in your messed-up computer?
[23:36] <dougiel> no
[23:36] <valorie> have you tried something different, like lubuntu or xubuntu?
[23:36] <valorie> both rather "light"
[23:37] <dougiel> assorted errors or messages currnet  is i2c i2c-2: sendbytes: error -110
[23:38] <dougiel> I have been trying distros for a week
[23:38] <dougiel> mostly ubuntu derivatives but sabayon and suse too
[23:39] <dougiel> valorie, what do you suggest I try next - I have 48 dvd's left
[23:39] <valorie> yikes
[23:41] <valorie> dougiel: any chance that a new HD would solve your problems?
[23:42] <valorie> you could very well have failing hardware
[23:43] <dougiel> for the live seession not to boot?
[23:49] <valorie> I don't know


[10:35] <gerr1> morning all
[10:35] <gerr1> elkbuntu: you awake?
[10:35] <elkbuntu> gerr1, yes
[10:35] <elkbuntu> what's up?
[10:37] <juliux> good morning
[10:38] <popey> morning
[10:39] <elkbuntu> gerr1, dinner is ready, so i'll talk to you later, or you can email me, whichever is easiest for you
[10:42] <rjian> hello everyone :)
[11:18] <gerr1> completely distracted there elkbuntu - i am off for a meeting for an hour or so
[11:18] <gerr1> i'll see if i can get you later
[11:30] <elkbuntu> hehe, no problem
[11:48] <juliux> gerr1, if you are back pls ping me
[11:52] <gerr1> at a meeting
[12:45] <gerr1> juliux: meeting over
[12:45] <juliux> gerr1, great
[12:46] <juliux> gerr1, i have two questions, last uds in spain everybody gets a lanyard, do you know if there are some left?
[12:47] <juliux> and second question can we get some stuff from shop.canonical.com to sell it there? most people in germany don t want to order alone because they think the shipping cost are to high :(
[12:48] <gerr1> juliux: the lanyards are gone i think but i will check
[12:48] <gerr1> juliux: what do you want them for - ubocon? how many?
[12:49] <juliux> gerr1, at first it is a general question;)
[12:49] <gerr1> gerr1: 2nd: sell it where?
[12:49] <juliux> gerr1, on the ubucon
[12:49] <juliux> gerr1, we want to make a small ubuntu fan article stand
[12:51] <gerr1> not unless you buy it and then sell it on.
[12:52] <juliux> ok
[12:52] <gerr1> juliux: i could probably work out some bulk deal at nearer cost
[12:52] <juliux> gerr1, cool
[12:53] <gerr1> juliux: but we have to consider the partner in this and their margin and cost of distrobution so it isn't entirely up to us
[12:53] <gerr1> juliux: but if you tell me ho much of what you want I can to them and work something out with them
[12:54] <juliux> gerr1, i will send you more details in the next week
[12:54] <juliux> it is not my decision;)
[12:55] <popey> juliux: i went to a local print shop yesterday to look at prices for T-shirts and polo shirts, you could do the same rather than buy from canonical?
[12:56] <juliux> popey, we allready have t-shirts and poloshirts
[12:56] <gerr1> juliux: oi popey - i am trying to do some business here
[12:56] <popey> heh
[12:56] <juliux> popey, we want rucksacks and key fobs;)
[12:56] <popey> cool
[12:56] <popey> was just suggesting because i know many people find it cheaper to source locally rather than ship internationally
[12:57] <gerr1> guys  - do you want the designs we have?
[12:57] <juliux> gerr1, i think we have to rize up our prices for the poloshirts;)
[01:02] <gerr1> juliux: what are you chargin for them?
[01:02] <juliux> gerr1, 15 for a poloshirt and 10 for a t-shirt
[01:03] <juliux> without shipping
[02:10] <elkbuntu> gerr1, im still here if you still want to talk to me
[02:12] <jenda> hello gerr1
[02:30] <elkbuntu> i think he found something shiny
[02:36] <gerr1> elkbuntu: give me that back
[02:37] <elkbuntu> noooo! my shiny now!
[02:37] <elkbuntu> what did you want to talk to me about?
[03:12] <elkbuntu> katkin, ping?
[03:15] <elkbuntu> dont tell me i have to steal a shiny thing from you too! :


[07:58] <Silverlion> o/
[08:12] <Silverlion> wb dholbach
[08:12] <dholbach> hey
[23:37] <JoseeAntonioR> finally, after tranlating another issue, issue 271 is ready in spanish


[02:17] <therussianjig> is the OMAP4 build optimimized for an ARMv7 arch?
[02:19] <lilstevie> therussianjig: ubuntu-arm is only built for the v7 arch
[02:19] <twb> ubuntu only provides armv7 binaries AFAIK
[02:19] <therussianjig> kk ty
[02:31] <twb> lilstevie: btw you still ship ext[234] rootfs images, right?
[02:31] <twb> lilstevie: if you run zerofree(8) on them they will compress better
[02:31] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/147769/ -- dunno what the numbers mean, but I think it's saying that it *did* make your image more compressible :-)
[02:32] <lilstevie> yes, ext4 images
[02:32] <lilstevie> I will keep that in mind
[02:33] <lilstevie> anything that brings the size down further makes my life easier
[02:33] <twb> If you have just created a fresh image with e.g. genextimage it won't help much, but if you've an ext that has been lying around and have >>0 edits to it, then it should help
[02:33] <twb> (I'm doing it now because I'm out of disk on my netbook so zerofree + xz -9e on the rootfs.ext's to save some space :-)
[02:33] <lilstevie> well it is the omap image from ubuntus servers
[02:34] <lilstevie> with some edits
[02:34] <twb> Ah, I didn't know that, interesting
[02:34] <twb> It'd be cool if you could just ship it as a .mod for a union filesystem, like morphos used to do :-)
[02:35] <twb> i.e. you say "go download ubuntu's image, then apply my copy-on-write union"
[02:37] <twb> Or even sexier, a bootloader than can access a /boot on .sq, because then you can just ship an xz-compressed .squashfs and DD it directly onto the disk.
[02:37] <lilstevie> heh union is a pain
[02:38] <lilstevie> and it isn't the bootloader that prevents access to boot
[02:38] <lilstevie> it is the partition layout
[02:38] <twb> Yes that too
[02:39] <lilstevie> also
[02:39] <lilstevie> the other day you said about the 360 s being loud?
[02:39] <twb> The new ones, yes
[02:39] <lilstevie> I got one yesterday
[02:39] <lilstevie> whisper quiet
[02:40] <twb> lilstevie: the PSU fan?
[02:40] <twb> That is, the power brick
[02:40] <lilstevie> yeah, whole thing
[02:40] <twb> Huh.
[02:40] <lilstevie> barely makes a sound
[02:40] <lilstevie> it is a corona board though
[02:40] <lilstevie> not trinity
[02:40] <twb> It probably doesn't help that I play games with the sound off/down, and my desk is basically designed to act as a sounding box for any speakers on it
[02:41] <twb> lilstevie: dunno about corona/trinity business
[02:41] <lilstevie> trinity is the 360 S initial revision
[02:41] <twb> I use a 360 because its turnkey, i.e. I don't have to care about that
[02:41] <lilstevie> corona is the newer lower power one
[02:41] <lilstevie> heh
[02:42] <twb> Is there a 1:1 correspondence between corona and having the newer kinect power doodad?
[02:42] <lilstevie> no idea
[02:42] <twb> Ah, no I think 360 S is that line, and within that is your two mobo models
[02:42] <lilstevie> the corona has only been in production for the last 2 or 3 months
[02:43] <lilstevie> it is going to be my only unhacked console :p
[02:44] <twb>   7.5 %        93.8 MiB / 158.7 MiB = 0.591   224 KiB/s      12:04   2 h 30 min
[02:45] <twb> ^^ xz -9e is chugging away on my image still :-)
[02:45] <lilstevie> heh
[02:46] <twb> Well, the actual command was "nice ionice -c3 xz -v9eM75%"
[02:46] <twb> Which translates to be as slow and compressy as possible
[02:46] <lilstevie> heh
[02:47] <twb> Probably be faster to scp it to the buildd, compress it, scp it back :P
[02:47] <lilstevie> lol
[02:48] <twb> Incidentally you can also make a disk image sparse again using zum(1) from the perforate package
[02:57] <lilstevie> and you can make it deceptively attractive with rum(1)?
[02:57] <twb> NFI
[02:58] <lilstevie> lol
[04:43] <twb> lilstevie.geek.nz/ports/ubuntu.img (1/2)
[04:43] <twb>   100 %     334.5 MiB / 2,048.0 MiB = 0.163   503 KiB/s    1:09:30
[04:43] <twb> That's using plain xz, i.e. -6 or so not -9e
[04:45] <twb> The other thing you could do, of course, is simply resize2fs -M it (reducing its actual size to its used size), and instruct users to do "resize2fs foo.img 2G" or whatever to grow it back out prior to use
[06:51] <lilstevie> twb: seriously there is like <60MB extra in that image
[06:51] <lilstevie> and I grow it on first boot
[06:52] <twb> k
[06:52] <twb> I'm just brainstorming here, you don't have to do what I say obviously
[12:34] <fisuk> umm.. anyone else have this kind of behaviour when playing HD video https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pandaboard/HxKHj_n0d0g/b78ZmXhI6cMJ ?
[12:35] <fisuk> (i'm not the same guy as the poster, but I too have that problem)
[16:02] <suihkulokki> who was the one here asking about chromium and arm?
[16:06] <ogra_> suihkulokki, micahg maintains it in ubuntu if you mean that
[16:06] <ogra_> (and is still urgently looking for help to build it on arm)
[16:14] <suihkulokki> micahg: if you want to try cross-compiling chromium, see: https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/CrossCompile/ChromiumCrossCompile
[16:14] <ogra_> i think he rather wants it to not FTBS in natvie builds first :)
[16:15] <suihkulokki> yes, and with native builds it will take him 27h per build ;)
[16:19] <ogra_> which is fine gievn that the binary didnt build since two releases now
[16:20] <ogra_> would be good to have something more recent than 13.0.xx
[16:34] <micahg> ogra_: I was hoping to cross compile in an attempt to fix the native builds faster than a +20hr iteration as suihkulokki pointed out :), my goal is that native builds should work though
[16:34] <ogra_> yeah
[16:35] <ogra_> i guess both is good
[16:35] <micahg> yeah, if there's an arm person interested in keeping it building, I'll take patches that look sane
[16:35] <ogra_> given that firefox still takes munites to start from SD ...
[16:35] <micahg> otherwise, it's best effort on my part for ARM
[16:35] <ogra_> vs seconds for chromium ...
[16:35] <ogra_> *minutes
[16:36] <micahg> ogra_: hmm...I would've thought omnijar fixed that, I guess we would need PGO to really make that happen
[16:36] <ogra_> well, to be honest i havent touched FF since mid oneiric cycle anymore
[16:36] <micahg> does the imx51 smartbook support armhf and would that make it perform faster?
[16:36] <ogra_> at least for my day to day work on my ac100
[16:37] <micahg> ogra_: ah, well, speedup is a focus of theirs now
[16:37] <ogra_> all cortex-a8 and upwards should support armhf
[16:37] <micahg> cool, will that speed build times though and performance?
[16:37] <ogra_> the speedup you gain with hf is purely floating point stuff ... it wont improve i.e. disk IO
[16:37] <micahg> ah
[16:38] <ogra_> but things like pango and cairo should render lots faster
[16:38] <ogra_> i heard something about 30% in best case scenarios
[16:38] <dmart> JavaScript numeric data is mostly floating-point
[16:38] <ogra_> yeah, that will speed up as well
[16:38] <ogra_> its like 486DX vs 486SX :)
[16:39] <ogra_> in case you still remember the difference
[16:39] <dmart> I *had* an SX (and felt suitably cheated) ;)
[16:41] <ogra_> heh
[16:41] <taruti> any idea what could cause black areas form around letters in firefox and after a while X becoming unresponsive?
[16:42] <taruti> on pandaboard that is
[16:42] <dmart> accelerated graphics drivers would be the most likely cause
[16:43] <taruti> so uninstalling those could help, will try
[16:43] <dmart> You could try the most recent linaro LEB and see whether it makes a difference -- http://releases.linaro.org/11.11/ubuntu/leb-panda/panda-ubuntu-desktop.img.gz
[16:43] <dmart> Maybe there are some issues which have been fixed in the meantime (depending on what you're using)
[16:44] <ogra_> there surely are issues with 4460 boards and oneiric ... but i dont think many of these have been distributed yet
[16:44] <ogra_> thermal issues ... not sure they would influence the graphics
[16:45] <dmart> I'm not familiar with all the different OMAP4 variants -- is this a newer rev Panda, or a different board entirely?
[16:45] <ogra_> newer panda ... next gen SoC
[16:46] <ogra_> up to 1.2GHz (or was it 1.4 ...) etc
[16:46] <dmart> ah, right
[16:47] <ogra_> i know for the temp issues there are fixes in linaro ubuntu doesnt have yet
[16:47] <ogra_> we'll get them with the next drop into precise
[16:47] <taruti> ok
[16:48] <ogra_> if you dont have a 4460 (which is likely) then that doesnt affect you though
[16:50] <taruti> the older revision
[16:51] <suihkulokki> micahg: the chromium 15 linked from the instrutions compiles both natively and cross (cross needs some libraries from the linaro staging).
[16:52] <ogra_> awesome !
[16:52] <ogra_> micahg, upload upload upload !!!!
[16:52] <suihkulokki> micahg: so only thing needing fixing is reverting from system libvpx to the bundled one
[16:52]  * ogra_ jumps up and down
[16:53] <taruti> any idea whether two displays work simultaneously at the moment (dualhead)?
[16:53] <ogra_> i dont think so
[16:54] <ogra_> iirc the kernel only drives one of HDMI or DVI at once
[16:54] <ogra_> though my info might be outdated
[16:54] <taruti> googling reveals only people having problems
[16:55] <ogra_> yep
[16:57] <micahg> suihkulokki: great, thanks, unfortunately, I had a new build failure with .121 on amd64 that I have to fix first, but it's awesome that you got it working
[17:04] <suihkulokki> micahg: I'll head asleep in few hours, email me if you bump into problems
[17:05] <micahg> suihkulokki: thanks, I probably won't get to it until next week (cross compiling that is), but will let you know if I run into any issues
[18:46] <ogra_> infinity, monday ... :)
[18:46]  * ogra_ grins
[18:47] <infinity> ogra_: Hrm?
[18:47] <ogra_> -core
[18:47] <infinity> ogra_: Oh, it would have been last night, but lamont kinda screwed up the setup on the buildd. ;)
[18:47] <ogra_> ah, k *g*
[19:03] <MrCurious> anyone know of a way to get pandaboard to run ubuntu11.10 at 1ghz instead of 800mhz?
[19:04] <prpplague> MrCurious: should be able to force it to 920MHz as part of the frequency scaling
[19:05] <MrCurious> i thought i read that it was disabled and locked at 800mhz in ubuntu11.10
[19:05] <MrCurious> and the auto scaling was not yet working in 3.0 linux
[19:07] <MrCurious> i am trying to catch up after a hiatus
[19:15] <infinity> MrCurious: Where are you seeing it set to 800?
[19:16] <MrCurious> read on a blog post
[19:16] <MrCurious> bogomips on 11.10 is ~ 1500
[19:16] <MrCurious> on 10.10 ~2000
[19:17] <MrCurious> the blog post reasoned it to be 800mhz
[19:17] <MrCurious> getting the url
[19:17] <infinity> Oh, we seem to be lacking scaling in 3.0, so it gets stuck low.  Or some such unpleasantness.
[19:18] <MrCurious> bit.ly/unRZt3 of fb.me/1bAMqhwYc
[19:20] <infinity> That blog has the answer.
[19:20] <infinity> Basically, wait for smartflex support.
[19:22] <MrCurious> yeah
[19:22] <MrCurious> i have active cooling for my board though, so was checking if it was a easy config to kick it up to 1ghz
[19:37] <infinity> Not at runtime, since runtime support for changing the frequency is, well, not there.
[19:37] <infinity> I suspect it wouldn't be much trouble to change it at the source level.


[05:24] <fego> hi all a very good morning
[05:25] <fego> can i have a ubuntu member cloak please
[05:25] <fego> below is my launchpad account
[05:25] <fego> https://launchpad.net/~arijit.dutta
[05:30] <IdleOne> IRCC can fego get his member cloak applied
[05:31] <IdleOne> fego: Congrats!
[05:31] <IdleOne> Just be patient and your cloak will be applied soon.
[05:33] <Unit193> Can't we just say Tm_T's name?  Oh, and that silly AlanBell too.
[05:33] <Unit193> ;)
[05:40] <fego> oh thanks IdleOne ,i am here :)
[05:40] <IdleOne> Unit193: I keep meaning to make an alias for myself to ping them
[07:15] <Tm_T> hi fego
[07:22] <fego> hi Tm_T
[07:28] <Tm_T> any freenode staff available? fego could have some use for ubuntu member cloak (:
[15:20] <fego> i am not in a rush but please let me know when a admin is available for cloaking
[15:20] <fego> :)
[15:21] <k1l_> fego: can you link your launchpad profile?
[15:21] <k1l_> so the ircc just need to accept it an da freenode staffer could change the cloak
[15:22] <fego> hi k1l_ the link is below
[15:22] <fego> https://launchpad.net/~arijit.dutta
[15:22] <IdleOne> AlanBell funkyHat topyli Pici Tm_T! Wake up, time to work!
[15:43] <fego> IdleOne: seems like freenode admin erry is around, can you please pm erry my cloak details so that she can take care
[15:43] <k1l_> fego: it needs to be apporived from an ircc member first.
[15:43] <k1l_> *approved
[15:43] <IdleOne> fego: I don't have the correct permission needed.
[15:44] <k1l_> but it seems like they are still recovering their hangover :)
[15:45] <fego> ok thaks IdleOne ,but can you plese redirect me who can ensorse my claok request
[15:46] <IdleOne> fego: I pinged them earlier, they are probable afk right now.
[15:46] <k1l_> fego: just stay here in the channel. if they come back online they will see it and ask the freenode staff to change your cloak
[15:47] <AlanBell> hi fego
[15:47] <fego> many thanks k1l_ and IdleOne ,i will stay around :)
[15:49] <IdleOne> ah, there is AlanBell.
[15:49] <AlanBell> staff, can we have an ubuntu/member/fego cloak for fego please
[15:52] <IdleOne> only active one appears to be erry, who isn't in here right now
[15:53] <fego> thanks AlanBell for the approval, IdleOne i can see there is one freenode admin erry online right now, can this be pmed to erry?
[15:54] <IdleOne> fego: patience my friend :)
[15:54] <IdleOne> All good things in their own time
[15:54] <AlanBell> already mentioned in the GC channel
[15:54] <fego> sure IdleOne i did not meant to hurry :)
[15:54] <IdleOne> CONGRATULATIONS!
[15:54] <AlanBell> all done :)
[15:54] <IdleOne>  You are now cloaked.
[15:55] <k1l_> now we can go back to the daily business: idleing :)
[15:55] <fego> thanks ,
[15:56] <DJones> k1l_: I bet you've just highlighted Idle one with the "idleing" :)
[15:56] <k1l_> hehe
[15:57] <k1l_> "oopsie" :)
[16:00] <IdleOne> DJones: I have a smart highlight list :P
[16:02] <fego> idle1
[17:40] <Tm_T> IdleOne: hmh?
[17:41] <IdleOne> Tm_T: Don't you worry your pretty little head. AlanBell took care of it :)
[17:41] <Tm_T> IdleOne: well, see my activity 10 hours ago? (:
[17:42] <IdleOne> I did.
[17:44] <Tm_T> but but
[17:44]  * Tm_T goes eating
[17:45]  * IdleOne huggles Tm_T
[17:46] <n0rman> Can I manage a meeting with lubotu1?
[17:48] <IdleOne> nope, you can use meetingology
[17:48] <IdleOne> chat with AlanBell if you need it in a specific channel or you can check the schedule for #ubuntu-meeting
[17:52] <n0rman> IdleOne: we want to start making irc meetings in the Nicaraguan LoCo Team, and I think having a bot for our meetings would be great :)
[17:53] <IdleOne> n0rman: in that case you can talk to AlanBell about having meetingology join your loco channel.
[17:54] <n0rman> AlanBell: ^^ :)
[17:55] <IdleOne> n0rman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology Some helpful info
[17:55] <n0rman> IdleOne: thanks again!
[17:56] <IdleOne> welcome
[18:08] <funkyHat> Now then
[18:56] <AlanBell> n0rman: what is the channel name?
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> IRCC: I'd like to know if I can create #ubuntu-q&a, so I can chat with people about the research I'll be having about the localized Q&A systems
[19:15] <IdleOne> there already is a #ubuntu-qa no?
[19:16] <AlanBell> is that valid?
[19:16] <AlanBell> no, that is Qatar
[19:16] <IdleOne> ah, #ubuntu-quality
[19:17] <IdleOne> JoseeAntonioR: #ubuntu-quality won't do for your needs?
[19:18] <JoseeAntonioR> that is QA, this is Q&A (note the & in the middle)
[19:18] <AlanBell> indeed
[19:18] <AlanBell> is that a good idea in a channel name?
[19:18] <JoseeAntonioR> it works, just tested
[19:18] <IdleOne> I'm sorry I don't understand the difference :)
[19:19] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne: one is Quality Assurance, the other Question & Answer
[19:19] <IdleOne> oh
[19:19] <AlanBell> yeah, I would like some comment from other people as to whether it is a good idea, there might be other things that break
[19:19] <IdleOne> hehe
[19:19] <AlanBell> webchat for a start might break
[19:19] <JoseeAntonioR> right, and what about #ubuntu-question?
[19:19] <IdleOne> maybe #ubuntu-q-n-a ?
[19:20] <JoseeAntonioR> or just qna
[19:20] <IdleOne> that would do also
[19:21] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: agree with qna?
[19:21] <AlanBell> I haven't disagreed with q&a yet :)
[19:21] <AlanBell> just want more people to have a chance to say why an ampersand is a good/bad idea
[19:21] <IdleOne> I think your concern with & is valid though
[19:22] <JoseeAntonioR> yes, html may break
[19:24] <Flannel> Works fine in freenode's webchat.
[19:25] <JoseeAntonioR> Flannel: but what about html links?
[19:25] <AlanBell> ok, I wonder if staff or Pici or jussi have an opinion on & in a channel name
[19:27] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, if linked to webchat with http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-q&a, it'll only display #ubuntu-q as the channel
[19:29] <jussi> My opinion is: feel free to create any channel that is directly related to ubuntu development or support and doesnt duplicate another channel.
[19:29] <jussi> JoseeAntonioR: #ubuntu-q+a
[19:31] <IdleOne> the + means people will typo =
[19:31] <IdleOne> IMHO qna is least likely to cause issues
[19:31] <AlanBell> + is fine, we have #ubuntu+*
[19:32] <IdleOne> only 1
[19:32] <IdleOne> :P see what I did there
[19:32] <AlanBell> yeah, made an error :)
[19:32] <AlanBell> we have #ubuntu+1-quality or something I think
[19:33] <IdleOne> we have too many channels to keep up with
[19:33] <AlanBell> #ubuntu+1-maint
[19:33] <IdleOne> for me*
[19:33] <AlanBell> alis is handy
[19:34] <AlanBell> anyhow, I think given that we have one demonstrable but fairly minor problem with the & in the name I would prefer #ubuntu-q+a to #ubuntu-q&a
[19:36] <JoseeAntonioR> then, I'll go for #ubuntu-q+a
[19:50] <DJones> Is this a case where -discuss could be used?
[19:54] <n0rman> AlanBell: is #ubuntu-ni
[20:12] <AlanBell> n0rman: done
[20:17] <n0rman> AlanBell: thank you :)


[13:25] <Wizkid> Hello everyone..
[17:54] <jason442> hello
[17:54] <somerville32> hi
[17:55] <jason442> I'm looking to setup a homeserver and really want to use ubuntu as my OS. However, I'm really having a hard time getting SlimServer working...anyone have any experiance getting SlimServer to work?
[17:55] <somerville32> see #ubuntu-server
[17:55] <jason442> But, I'm using the desktop edition
[17:56] <jason442> Does that matter?
[17:56] <somerville32> No