[00:00] <nixternal> jjesse: I found quite a few bugs with the doc index I made :)
[00:00] <nixternal> all bad links...the bugs that is
[00:01] <nixternal> ryanakca: go ahead and work on the openbabel merge if noone is doing it, and I will upload it for you
[00:02] <nixternal> Riddell and jjesse: I received an email from Linux+ to do that article, were one of you already working on it? If not, I can go ahead and get them something this week
[00:05] <Jucato> (the Kubuntu pimp strikes again!)
[00:05] <Jucato> good evening nixternal :)
[00:06] <dasKreech> Hi Jucato
[00:06] <Jucato> yo dasKreech
[00:07] <nixternal> howdy Jucato and dasKreech
[00:07] <Jucato> any luck with contacting DW?
[00:07] <profoX`> KDE in Kubuntu 8.04 will still be based on Qt3 right? And it will still use kcontrol modules?
[00:07] <Jucato> O.o
[00:07] <dasKreech> profoX`: likely not
[00:07] <dasKreech> Wait
[00:08] <dasKreech>  Yes it will :)
[00:08] <Jucato> huh?
[00:08] <Jucato> :P
[00:08] <dasKreech> Sorry wrong number
[00:08] <nixternal> it will be KDE 3, with a mix of Qt3 and Qt4 :)
[00:08] <Jucato> KDE 3 requires Qt 3.
[00:08] <nixternal> aren't we installing Qt4 though with Gutsy++?
[00:08] <Jucato> and kcontrol modules are used in KDE 3 and KDE 4... (of course the KDE 4 kcm's are using KDE4)
[00:08] <nixternal> just using the libqt3-mt-headers
[00:09] <profoX`> oh, okay, so if I were to develop a KCM I could best keep it qt3 for now?
[00:09] <Jucato> nixternal: from what troy told me, we've decided to ship some kde4 apps in hardy :)
[00:09] <dasKreech> nixternal: not as far as Iknow
[00:09] <dasKreech> profoX`: no
[00:09] <dasKreech> Qt4
[00:09] <Jucato> profoX`: depends on which KDE you plan to put it in. for KDE 3? definitely qt3. for KDE 4, qt4
[00:10] <profoX`> Jucato: well, KDE 3 I suppose, since thats the version that will be in Hardy by default?
[00:10] <Jucato> but KDE 3 is pretty much closed now, unless you're intending it to be a Kubuntu-only feature. then yes
[00:11] <Jucato> nixternal: actually Kubuntu already ships with Qt4, because of hwdb-client-kde
[00:14]  * gnomefreak wants a fully functional kde4
[00:14] <Jucato> gnomefreak: wait for KDE 4.2?  :D
[00:14] <gnomefreak> lol
[00:14] <gnomefreak> eh 4.0 release should be fine (whenever that may be)
[00:14]  * Jucato whistles innocently
[00:15] <dasKreech> profoX`: qt4
[00:15] <dasKreech> profoX`: We will have KDe4 desktop though we will not be shipping with it. KDE4 is the future
[00:16] <Jucato> except if he wants it to be in KDE 3.5.x in Hardy
[00:16] <dasKreech> gnomefreak: Define fully functional
[00:16] <gnomefreak> dasKreech: menu apps kind of like kde3 functional
[00:16] <yuriy> profoX`: qt3 and qt4 are both in kubuntu, but if you want a kcm to be in the system settings for hardy's desktop, it needs to be kde3/qt3
[00:16] <Jucato> +1 yuriy
[00:16] <gnomefreak> beable to be used as a DE not just one app
[00:17] <profoX`> yes..
[00:17] <dasKreech> KDE can be used as one app? 0.o
[00:17] <Jucato> gnomefreak: you mean like the way kickoff is there no KDE 4?
[00:17] <gnomefreak> Jucato: last i saw it wasnt there
[00:17] <Jucato> it is (beta3)
[00:17] <gnomefreak> onlly thing that worked was ummm plasma
[00:18] <Jucato> dasKreech: I think what he meant was to be able to use a full KDE 4 session versus launching individual KDE 4 apps
[00:18] <gnomefreak> and i use the term worked loosly
[00:18] <gnomefreak> sort of like you can with oh i dont know "GNOME" ;)
[00:19] <Jucato> :)
[00:19] <gnomefreak> ok time for me ot go while this POS builds seamonkey
[00:19] <profoX`> who is working on the KubuntuHardyCatchup spec? if I understand correctly there is a talk about that soon at UDS (or has it already been?) (I'm not at UDS)
[00:19] <Jucato> soon. probably tomorrow actually
[00:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks
[00:20] <profoX`> Jucato: and where could I see the outcome of that meeting/talk, or even follow the talk itself maybe
[00:21] <Jucato> profoX`: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1196
[00:21] <Jucato> you can also just keep track of the wiki page
[00:21] <profoX`> okay, thanks a lot
[00:21] <profoX`> I'll keep an eye on it
[00:22] <nixternal> let me be the first to say, converting our documentation to the internet is a pita
[00:22]  * nixternal goes and eats
[00:23] <Jucato> nixternal: eating docs?
[00:23] <Jucato> you just made me hungry... and I realized I have nothing to eat in here...
[00:23]  * Jucato hunts for food...
[00:26] <dasKreech> Oh yeah you can launch it as a DE now
[00:26]  * dasKreech has fignewtons
[00:28] <Jucato> hm... I miss those :(
[00:35] <dasKreech> Riddell: ping
[00:35] <dasKreech> Jucato: that's why I got em
[00:43] <dasKreech> Hmm Fedora will have two releases before 8.10
[00:43] <dasKreech> interesting
[00:46] <Jucato> they release 2x a year too. 6months apart just like us.
[00:46] <Jucato> actually Fedora 8 should have been released before gutsy, but was delayed
[00:46] <Jucato> spicy instant noodles for breakfast.. what have I become!!!
[00:48] <dasKreech> A spicy noodler? Just not instantly
[00:48] <Jucato> heheh
[00:48] <dasKreech> Sloooooowly drifting away from blut
[00:48] <dasKreech> balut
[00:48] <Jucato> hahah I don't eat that :P
[00:49] <Jucato> I mean, not usually
[00:56] <ryanakca> hmm... if you have a "Replaces: libopenbabel1", do you really need a "Conflicts: libopenbabel1"?
[00:58] <begert_> woot, I have kde4 building
[01:01] <dasKreech> Sweeet
[01:02] <ryanakca> :D
[01:02]  * ryanakca passes a platter of cookies around
[01:02] <jjesse> Riddell: is out at a pub
[01:03] <Jucato> hi jjesse good evening
[01:03] <dasKreech> Wow
[01:03] <jjesse> Jucato: good morning
[01:03] <dasKreech> Vista is great nixternal  :)
[01:03] <dasKreech> I pops up a dialog to ask if I want to authorise copying a string from one app to another
[01:05] <dasKreech> Why didn't anyone tell me about comfusion?
[01:09] <dasKreech> Jucato: trying out BSD?
[01:10] <Jucato> not yet
[01:13] <dasKreech> new ones look good
[01:13] <Jucato> I'm going to try pc-bsd 1.4 soon...
[01:18] <jjesse> ok back
[01:19] <Jucato> wb jjesse :)
[01:23] <dasKreech> freeBSD 6.3 has linuxator
[01:24] <jjesse> thanks Jucato
[01:24] <jjesse> tomorrow there are sessions on Kubuntu, feel free to join on gobby or via VoIP
[01:25] <jjesse> or via the .ogg stream
[01:25] <Jucato> if/when I figure out how to do those, I will :)
[01:25] <jjesse> install gobby via Adept, and connect to gobby.ubuntu.com as the server
[01:25] <Jucato> the icecast didn't seem to work this (your) morning...
[01:25] <jjesse> Jucato: the first session i think was 10 est
[01:26] <Jucato> yep. that would have been your morning, my evening.
[01:26] <Jucato> tried to do the icecast thingy
[01:35] <jjesse> didn't work too well?  the whole icecast thing?
[01:35] <Jucato> didn't work at all :(
[01:35] <Jucato> or rather, didnt work out of the box..
[01:37] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[01:39] <nixternal> jjesse: I should be about 99% complete with the doc upload to the server
[01:39] <nixternal> I am committing to my site branch and then Riddell can merge it into the main branch later
[01:40] <nixternal> I am going to do a little testing here to make sure I got as much as possible
[02:03] <nixternal> Riddell: I have added the docs to my website repo if you want to merge into the new repo
[02:04] <jjesse> nixternal: don't know if Riddell is back from the pub yet
[02:04] <nixternal> for the time being, until we work in new artwork with our docs, it has the KDE doc header/foot images
[02:04] <Jucato> :D
[02:04] <Jucato> pub...
[02:05] <jjesse> mmmm pub :)
[02:07] <Riddell> nixternal: what's the url again?
[02:08] <Jucato> jjesse: looks like he's back :)
[02:08] <Jucato> (and probably sober :P)
[02:10] <nixternal> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nixternal/kubuntu-website/main
[02:11] <Riddell> oh aye, duh
[02:11] <nixternal> haha
[02:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: nice hat you have
[02:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm?
[02:11] <Tm_T> @
[02:11] <Tm_T> :))
[02:12] <Tm_T> but it suited well :)
[02:12] <Jucato> ah hat = crown
[02:21] <nixternal> afternoon Hobbsee
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[02:21] <dasKreech> hi Hobbsee
[02:22] <Jucato> moin
[02:22] <Jucato> MoinMoin
[02:22] <Tm_T> :(
[02:22] <Tm_T> tikiwiki!
[02:22]  * Tm_T hides
[02:22] <Jucato> ew?
[02:22] <Jucato> bwahahah
[02:23] <dasKreech> instiwiki!
[02:23] <dasKreech> Which I can' apt-get  :-(
[02:41]  * yuriy is frustrated with what kmail is doing to his gmail
[02:41] <Tm_T> yuriy: imap?
[02:41] <yuriy> Tm_T: yeah
[02:42] <Riddell> yuriy: what's it doing?
[02:42] <Tm_T> heh
[02:42] <yuriy> being really slow and marking everything as unread (and possibly other things)
[02:43] <yuriy> and generally the label stuff doesn't translate too well to folders
[02:43] <Riddell> yuriy: gutsy version?
[02:43] <yuriy> feisty.. hmm, good point
[02:44] <Riddell> well, gutsy might not be any better
[02:44] <yuriy> but probably worth a try
[02:44] <Riddell> yuriy: you could try 3.5.8 for feisty first
[02:47] <yuriy> ooh gutsy seems to be behaving a bit better
[02:48] <Tm_T> yuriy: good to hear
[02:48] <Hobbsee> must be time to upgrade to hardy, then.
[02:48] <yuriy> still flaky though
[02:49] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you mean nothing is broken yet?
[02:49] <Tm_T> !hardy
[02:49] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) | Due April 2008 | For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[02:49] <Tm_T> hum
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: no idea
[02:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I mean nothing is broken yet in your system :p
[02:52] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:52] <Hobbsee> excluding twinkle on gnome, anyway
[02:52] <Tm_T> :(
[02:54] <Tm_T> ebrahim: hello
[02:55] <ebrahim> Tm_T, Hello!
[02:55] <ebrahim> Tm_T, Do I know you? Do you know me?!?
[02:56] <Tm_T> humm, no
[02:56] <Hobbsee> we know everything.
[02:56] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I dont :(
[02:56] <Tm_T> I'm too old to know everything :((
[02:56] <Hobbsee> oh, excluding the lotto numbers.
[02:57] <Tm_T> ok, now I know I made a huge mistake
[03:00] <dasKreech> Hobbsee: Do you know the !lotto numbers? that would be useful too
[03:01] <ebrahim> Tm_T, how old are you?
[03:01] <Tm_T> ebrahim: 112 years old
[03:01] <ebrahim> Tm_T, :D
[03:13] <Tm_T> I just simply love this
[03:14] <Tm_T> oh boy... I really need more ram, 1 G gone and swap has usage of 200 M
[03:15] <Hobbsee> what are you doing?
[03:16] <Tm_T> like to have my process tree?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> not overly
[03:16] <Hobbsee> but that seems quite high
[03:16] <Tm_T> well yes it is high
[03:17] <Tm_T> but some process listing explains it better than I do
[03:18] <Tm_T> wow, no more 8.5 loads :))
[03:19] <Tm_T> I did just remove 20k mails
[03:21] <manchicken> Riddell: ping
[03:21] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Did you do the Boston thing?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no.  uni :(
[03:21] <manchicken> Aww, sorry to hear.
[03:21] <manchicken> Did you hear that I work for myself now?  So neat :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> yeah.  wish i was there
[03:21] <Riddell> manchicken: hi
[03:21] <Hobbsee> woot!
[03:22] <manchicken> Riddell: Patch 26 on adept... it hates me.
[03:22] <manchicken> Fails to patch.
[03:22] <Riddell> does it depend on another patch?
[03:23] <manchicken> I think it may depend on buildprep.
[03:23] <manchicken> Is configure.in in the buildprep?  I can't remember...
[03:23] <manchicken> It's been a while since I played with that.
[03:25] <manchicken> Line 15 seems to be what is going wrong.
[03:26] <manchicken> At level 1, it complains about line 15, and I don't think that levels 0 and 2 are appropriate since it can't even figure out what file to patch.
[03:27] <manchicken> Yeah, that's what it is, it's dependent on some other step in the build process.
[03:27] <manchicken> configure.in is missing.
[03:27] <manchicken> configure.in.in is there though.
[03:31] <Riddell> yes
[03:31] <Riddell> configure.in is buildprep
[03:31] <manchicken> Yes... and buildprep fails since patches go before configure.in is created it seems.
[03:31] <Riddell> remove the configure.in bit then and just run buildprep
[03:31] <dasKreech> Riddell: should we be advertising 4.0 in hardy?
[03:32] <Riddell> manchicken: is this from bzr or ubuntu archive?
[03:32] <Riddell> dasKreech: how do you mean advertising?
[03:32] <manchicken> Your bzr branch
[03:32] <dasKreech> Riddell: Well Distrowatch ran an article today and they said we can look forward to 4.0 in Hardy
[03:33] <manchicken> There are some crashes that I need to investigate.
[03:33] <Riddell> manchicken: it's probably slightly out of date compared to ubuntu archive
[03:33] <dasKreech> I'm wondering if we shouldn't send a correction or clarification
[03:33] <Riddell> dasKreech: there will be packages
[03:33] <manchicken> Riddell: You don't say.
[03:33] <manchicken> Well I need to investigate some GPFs it looks like.
[03:33] <dasKreech> I know. So it's ok to say 4.0 in hardy?
[03:34] <Riddell> dasKreech: all I see is a note that 4.0 is being discussed at UDS, which it indeed is
[03:36] <dasKreech> ok cool
[03:39] <Tm_T> errr
[03:39] <Tm_T> this is weird
[03:40] <Tm_T> functions in bashrc doesnt work
[03:42]  * dasKreech does like how a new Ubuntu wallpaper/theme trumps KDE4.0
[04:00]  * manchicken hugs ./debian/rules
[04:01] <Tm_T> I dont get this
[04:13] <nixternal> mmm, Lists rock!
[04:14] <n8k99> crazy people = { nixternal, Jucato, n8k99 }
[04:15] <Tm_T> yes
[04:15] <imbrandon> lol
[04:15] <nixternal> template <typename T>
[04:15]  * n8k99 forgot the semi-colon
[04:15] <nixternal> List<T> crazy_people;
[04:15] <Tm_T> if I have function in .bashrc it doesnt work but if I do it in shell it works
[04:15] <imbrandon> err jaba
[04:15] <Tm_T> not good
[04:16] <imbrandon> s/err/eww/g
[04:16] <Tm_T> but now why this is so
[04:16] <nixternal> crazy_people.pop_back(nixternal); crazy_people.pop_back(Jucato); crazy_people.pop_back(n8k99);
[04:16] <nixternal> imbrandon: that would be C++, not the wonderful language of coffee beans :)
[04:17]  * n8k99 is merely human  ergo prefers python
[04:17] <imbrandon> close nuff, if !php,python,c# then end;
[04:17] <nixternal> OK, I have the easy part of this project done, who is ready to do all of the hard work and get me another A?
[04:17] <Tm_T> :(
[04:17] <Tm_T> hey come on
[04:17] <Tm_T> I have a crisis here =)
[04:18] <imbrandon> Tm_T, no idea
[04:18] <Tm_T> anyone can confirm this?
[04:18] <nixternal> the standard template library is awesome! :p
[04:18] <imbrandon> i'm just happy to get X working on my old iMac
[04:18] <nixternal> public class nixternalRocks extends JFrame {
[04:18] <imbrandon> Tm_T, functions work in my bashrc, so no i cant confirm
[04:18] <Tm_T> :(
[04:19] <nixternal> public static void main(String args[]) {
[04:19] <nixternal> JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "Now this is Java!");
[04:19] <nixternal> }
[04:19] <nixternal> }
[04:19] <nixternal> really didn't need to extend JFrame since I didn't even use it :)
[04:19] <nixternal> import javax.swing.*;
[04:20] <n8k99> i tried writing some aliases in my bashrc the otherday and all the shells gave me messages that they couldn't find the functions
[04:21] <n8k99> but i could pass teh commands myself and they would run
[04:21] <nixternal> alias foo='sudo apt-get update'
[04:22] <n8k99> nixternal: that
[04:22] <n8k99> 's what i did
[04:22] <nixternal> source ~/.bashrc I take it as well?
[04:22] <n8k99> yup
[04:22] <nixternal> unless of course you have since logged out or created a new term instance
[04:22] <nixternal> all of my aliases work like a charm
[04:23] <nixternal> did you include them in a function?
[04:23] <n8k99> i even tried a .bash_aliases file like it's recommended
[04:23] <n8k99> that gave me a message that the ~/.bash-aliases did not exist
[04:24] <nixternal> my ~/.bashrc has been with me since like 1997 I think...with some updates from Steven Harms
[04:24] <n8k99> um, underscore not dash
[04:24] <nixternal> paste your bashrc or aliases and lemme have a look
[04:25] <nixternal> also paste your username and password, plus any credit cards you have
[04:25]  * n8k99 pulled it out and gave up
[04:25] <nixternal> hahahahahah
[04:25] <n8k99> no way nixternal i've seen what you can do with a scrap of information about a person
[04:26]  * n8k99 is no Alabama Insurance salesman!!
[04:26] <nixternal> oh btw, he doesn't write for anybody...asked the mandriva guys...he is a troll there as well
[04:26] <nixternal> he is the only one in the world using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it wasn't hard to track him :)
[04:26] <n8k99> well doesn't that beat all!
[04:27] <Tm_T> imbrandon: aww, so whole .bashrc seems to be ignored :O
[04:27]  * n8k99 thinks he shares ^^^ problem
[04:29] <n8k99> nixternal: you mean its possible that more than one person could have that email address? :P
[04:29] <nixternal> if they are mental possibly
[04:29] <Tm_T> n8k99: really?
[04:29] <manchicken> Have I mentioned that I hate computers?
[04:30] <n8k99> Tm_T: yeah i think so
[04:30] <Tm_T> n8k99: ummm, seriously? because that would be a huge issue
[04:30] <Tm_T> its crippling me already
[04:30] <nixternal> manchicken: not yet, but I heard you love wax paper!
[04:30] <manchicken> nixternal: It feels so silky on my skin.
[04:31]  * nixternal dies
[04:31] <n8k99> Tm_T: yeah i was trying to write some aliases the otherday and kept getting messages taht the commands did not exist
[04:31] <Tm_T> n8k99: lovely
[04:32] <n8k99> and like i told nixternal i even tried sticking them in ~/.bash_aliases as is suggested in .bashrc
[04:32] <n8k99> still no dice
[04:32] <freeflying> imbrandon: arounds?
[04:32] <imbrandon> freeflying, pong
[04:33] <n8k99> i gave up and went to work on my schoolwork- or changed a diaper and forgot about it till you said something Tm_T
[04:33] <freeflying> imbrandon: http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/DIP/ubuntu/diveintopython-zh_5.4b-0ubuntu1.dsc RFS
[04:33] <imbrandon> freeflying, kk give me a few minutes i'll grab it
[04:33] <freeflying> imbrandon: thanks
[04:33] <imbrandon> np
[04:34] <manchicken> imbrandon: Do you have a normal time that you hack during the week?
[04:34] <imbrandon> manchicken, from about 8pm to 3am CST 7 days
[04:34] <imbrandon> a week
[04:34] <nixternal> ya, it is called from wakeup (4pm) to sleeptime (4pm)
[04:34] <manchicken> heh
[04:34] <imbrandon> lol
[04:34] <nixternal> manchicken: you haven't figured imbrandon has no life? hell he wanted to do podcasts at 3am
[04:35] <manchicken> Since I'm doing the independent contracting thing now I'm thinking of sticking some hacking time into my schedule.
[04:35] <nixternal> buntudot FTW!
[04:35] <imbrandon> manchicken, i just lay off irc at times, its a time waster for me, but i'm arround normaly after 8pm all the time
[04:35] <imbrandon> manchicken, nice, thats what i'm doing now too, e.g. workin for myself
[04:35] <nixternal> what's up with me writing for "dots"?
[04:35] <manchicken> imbrandon: Yeah.
[04:36] <imbrandon> nixternal, heh
[04:36] <manchicken> imbrandon: I just got a nice solid client based out of CA that is going to help me transition into indy contracting.
[04:36] <imbrandon> manchicken, nice, i assume not Cali the "other" CA
[04:36] <Tm_T> n8k99: haa!
[04:36] <manchicken> Yes.
[04:36] <Tm_T> n8k99: only affected by some users
[04:36] <imbrandon> :)
[04:37] <imbrandon> i'd like to find a job out in cali , wife is wanting to go see it for a few years
[04:37]  * Jucato wonders what he missed..
[04:37] <imbrandon> maybe i can work in-house at apple on kubuntu :)
[04:37] <manchicken> There doesn't seem to be any shortage of it.
[04:37] <imbrandon> yea right lol
[04:37] <n8k99> Tm_T: you mean this is a problem with only half the population not all of it?
[04:38] <manchicken> I can't remember how many offers I've gotten--even with relocation assistance--for socal.
[04:38] <manchicken> But I'm nowhere near interested.
[04:38] <manchicken> I'm a midwestern guy.
[04:38] <imbrandon> manchicken, heh forward them to me
[04:38] <imbrandon> i'm ready to leave KC :)
[04:38] <manchicken> imbrandon: How's your Perl?
[04:38] <manchicken> :)
[04:38] <Tm_T> n8k99: I mean, one user in this system has no issues, other does
[04:38] <nixternal> only problem with cali, housing marking is HIGH and employment and pay is low
[04:38] <Tm_T> n8k99: so, err, what's causing this is the question
[04:38] <nixternal> s/marking/market
[04:38] <manchicken> imbrandon: I've got some pretty desperate recruiters calling me sometime.
[04:38] <nixternal> to late
[04:39] <manchicken> I should start a job site.
[04:39] <imbrandon> solid, bit rusty nowadays but a few weeks of tweakin and i could be back 100%
[04:39] <manchicken> imbrandon: Well if I get anything I'll keep you in mind.
[04:39] <n8k99> Tm_T: now taht is a really darn good question
[04:39] <nixternal> ya, I know what tweakin' means to you kc folks
[04:39] <manchicken> They just randomly call me anymore.
[04:39] <imbrandon> ahhahaha
[04:39] <Tm_T> n8k99: doublecheck your bashrc rights =)
[04:39] <manchicken> Every once in a while I get one that speaks English.
[04:39] <imbrandon> not that kinda tweakin
[04:39] <n8k99> ok
[04:39] <nixternal> hey you boys, get away from my anheidrous (spelling?)
[04:40] <manchicken> nixternal: tweakin' == cow tipping
[04:40] <nixternal> not in KC it doesn't
[04:40] <imbrandon> nixternal, amonia works
[04:40] <nixternal> tweakin' == gettin' paranoid
[04:40] <manchicken> heh
[04:40] <imbrandon> manchicken, tweakin == meth in KC
[04:40] <imbrandon> :P
[04:40] <manchicken> And every where else, too.
[04:40] <nixternal> imbrandon: KC doesn't know meth, manchicken lives in the meth capital
[04:41] <manchicken> There have been some rather persuasive anti-meth ads around here.
[04:41] <nixternal> as well as the DEA
[04:41] <imbrandon> nixternal, ha, more meth is produced in Indepdance Mo than anywhere else in the US [fact]
[04:41] <manchicken> nixternal: Too true.  There was a huge bust not too long ago in St. Joseph.
[04:41] <nixternal> that be true
[04:41]  * Jucato butts in and asks.. "What's KC"?
[04:41] <nixternal> ya, it made the news here in Chicago
[04:41] <nixternal> Kansas Shitty
[04:41] <imbrandon> Jucato, Kansas City
[04:41] <manchicken> Jucato: Kansas City
[04:41] <Jucato> aaaaaaaaaah
[04:41] <n8k99> Tm_T: -rw-r - - r - -
[04:41] <Jucato> Jucato: Kansas City
[04:42] <manchicken> Jucato: There are two places known as "Kansas City".  One in Missouri, USA, and another in Kansas, USA.
[04:42] <imbrandon> whoops /me grabs free's package
[04:42] <nixternal> alrighty, time for a bowl of ice cream and some sleep
[04:42] <nixternal> k'nite
[04:42] <Tm_T> n8k99: shouldnt that be ok?
[04:42] <n8k99> i think so
[04:42] <Jucato> good night nixternal
[04:42]  * Jucato contemplates buying mt.dew... again....
[04:42] <n8k99> hadn't really seen it to be anything else
[04:42]  * n8k99 scratches his head
[04:43] <imbrandon> freeflying, is this just a translation ? you know i dont know zh
[04:43] <imbrandon> heh
[04:43] <freeflying> imbrandon: yes
[04:43] <Tm_T> n8k99: -rwxrwxr--
[04:44] <freeflying> imbrandon: I don't when it go into main :)
[04:44] <imbrandon> freeflying, kk
[04:44] <Tm_T> n8k99: says my user with sudo rights
[04:44] <n8k99> oh- then that just might make a difference!
[04:44] <Tm_T> n8k99: well didnt
[04:44] <n8k99> no?
[04:44] <Tm_T> nope
[04:44] <n8k99> isn't that 775?
[04:45] <Tm_T> something like that
[04:45] <Tm_T> -rw-r--r-- says my shell account far far away
[04:45] <imbrandon> freeflying, looks sane nuff, your the only person in the changelog heheh, uploaded
[04:45] <n8k99> and that one works properly right? Tm_T
[04:46] <freeflying> imbrandon: yes, only I maintain it in debian/ubuntu :) thanks
[04:46] <Tm_T> n8k99: should, doublecheck
[04:46] <imbrandon> freeflying, cool, ok uploaded
[04:47] <freeflying> imbrandon: thx
[04:47] <Tm_T> n8k99: no it doesnt
[04:47] <n8k99> oh, so that's three cases, not working
[04:47] <manchicken> Well I'm gonna start scheduling regular time for Kubuntu work.
[04:48] <Tm_T> n8k99: but err, not with x either
[04:49] <n8k99> now if i pull the aliases out of my .bashrc it works properly without throwing error messages at me
[04:49] <manchicken> imbrandon: You, nixternal, and I should get together for beers or something soon to discuss some ideas... but mostly for an excuse to meet for beers.
[04:49] <manchicken> imbrandon: Like a midwestern Ubuntu sprint.
[04:49]  * n8k99 is scared
[04:49] <imbrandon> manchicken, sounds great to me, STL seems like a likely meting point off the top of my head
[04:50] <imbrandon> meeting*
[04:50] <Tm_T> n8k99: er?
[04:50] <manchicken> Yes, maybe a bit too far south to be an even middle-point for nix.
[04:50] <n8k99> the idea of nixternal imbrandon and manchicken all meeting up is frightening! :P
[04:50] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <manchicken> n8k99: Good.  You should be afraid :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> or we could all invade manchicken's house ;)
[04:51] <imbrandon> i would offer here but my wife would kill us before the weekend was up
[04:51] <manchicken> imbrandon: Are you in KC,MO or KC,KS?
[04:51] <imbrandon> kc mo
[04:51] <manchicken> imbrandon: We could totally do that here.
[04:51] <manchicken> My wife loves having kubuntu folks over.
[04:51] <Tm_T> n8k99: hey, the other system I'm testing is debian
[04:51] <Tm_T> n8k99: and stable
[04:52] <imbrandon> someone ask me to come to EU to give a talk to their LUG, i was like ummmm , heh, i might point them to Riddell and see if he has time, its a bit far for me to go
[04:52] <manchicken> Yeah.  heh
[04:53] <imbrandon> if it was for like a conf or something i would consider it, or even if they was paying the accomidations/flight i would
[04:53] <imbrandon> but other than that its a bit far
[04:53] <manchicken> If they'd pay my way I'd have no problem :)
[04:54] <manchicken> Especially if they'll pay for my wife to come, too.
[04:54] <imbrandon> they offered to pay hotel, no flight or anything else
[04:54] <imbrandon> witch would have been cool, but i'm straped just moving and all
[04:54] <manchicken> Well it's awesome that they're interested and that they'd offer to go that far, but it still seems like a bit of a stretch for something like that.
[04:54] <manchicken> heh
[04:54] <imbrandon> yea :P
[04:55] <manchicken> Are you an onsite contractor?
[04:55] <manchicken> I'm 100% telecommute.
[04:55] <imbrandon> depends on the contract, i about 85% telecommute
[04:55] <manchicken> I just bought a house, can't see myself moving all over the place.
[04:55] <imbrandon> one of my contracts is the fed reserve downtown, most everything there needs to be onsite
[04:56] <imbrandon> the rest i tele commute
[04:56] <manchicken> I think Quincy would be the closest thing to a middle-point for all of us.
[04:56] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:56] <imbrandon> heh what town are you in ?
[04:56] <manchicken> I'm in Mahomet, IL.
[04:57] <imbrandon> hrm , no idea about that
[04:57] <manchicken> About 10mi west of Champaign-Urbana where UIUC is located.
[04:57] <imbrandon> ahh'
[04:58] <imbrandon> either way we should totaly do it
[04:58] <Tm_T> n8k99: GAH!
[04:58] <manchicken> Yeah.  If you want to do it at my place that's cool, I'm just trying to be fair :)
[04:58] <imbrandon> i'd say we pick someones hometown though, so there is easy net access and such
[04:58] <imbrandon> yea
[04:59] <manchicken> That's true.
[04:59] <freeflying> imbrandon: buntudot provide hosting service now? :)
[04:59] <manchicken> Well when's good for you two?
[04:59] <imbrandon> maybe we could make it an anual thing and rotate towns in the US like UDS , only keep it close to the midwest at first :P
[04:59] <manchicken> Totally.
[05:00] <imbrandon> freeflying, nah i let buntudot get taken over by canonical ( theFridge ) , ubuntuwire will be provding services soon again when me and siretart work out the details
[05:00] <manchicken> Well if you all want I'm more than happy to host the first one.
[05:00] <manchicken> And there's a super-cheap motel that isn't half bad.
[05:00] <manchicken> (<$50/night)
[05:01] <imbrandon> cool, biker bars arround ? i <3 biker bars, grew up in them lol
[05:01] <imbrandon> coolest peeps arround if you get past the looks/stereo types
[05:01] <manchicken> There are some in surrounding areas I'm sure.
[05:02] <manchicken> Until 5 months ago we were a dry town.
[05:02] <manchicken> There's going to be a new pub coming soon.
[05:02] <manchicken> I'm stoked about that.
[05:02] <imbrandon> ahh :P yea where i lived in TX was dry, that sucked
[05:02] <imbrandon> that Garth and Jones song beer run was litterly us in TX
[05:03] <manchicken> I'm a huge beer fan, so it's nice to be able to challenge folks to keep a good list.
[05:03] <manchicken> I had a cocoa porter earlier today.  That was nice.
[05:03] <imbrandon> heh i stick to my corona + lime juice or sam adams :)
[05:03] <imbrandon> or crown + coke == heaven
[05:04] <manchicken> heh.
[05:04] <manchicken> I had a coffee stout not too long ago.
  cown + <-t-m--> coke, 1 cube of ice
[05:04] <imbrandon> == perfect
[05:04] <manchicken> heh
[05:05] <manchicken> I think they bottle crown in my area.
[05:05] <imbrandon> i thought it was imported from CA ?
[05:05] <manchicken> In Monticello, IL.
[05:05] <manchicken> I think it may just be bottled locally.
[05:05] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:05] <imbrandon> i have a quilt made from all the purple bags i collected over the years
[05:06] <manchicken> heh
[05:06] <manchicken> That's hilarious.
[05:06] <imbrandon> if its a good night i polish off 1L while coding :P
[05:06] <manchicken> heh
[05:07] <imbrandon> freeflying, what kinda of services did you need, i'll try to make sure we roll those out first
[05:07] <manchicken> This client is going to be flying me to Vegas in three months.
[05:07] <manchicken> That'll be fun.
[05:07] <freeflying> imbrandon: web ssh and mail :)
[05:07] <manchicken> Why does adept take so long to build?  I have no ida.
[05:07] <imbrandon> i just got back from Moutain View not to long ago
[05:07] <manchicken> idea*
[05:08] <imbrandon> for a potential employer, that will be nice
[05:08] <freeflying> imbrandon: the most important thing is ssh for me, you know the GFW :P
[05:08] <imbrandon> freeflying, kk
[05:08] <manchicken> Okay, I'm going to take off now.
[05:08] <imbrandon> freeflying, untill sparky is retired you can use it, it has your ssh key from LP as long as your MOTU or core-dev and a ssh account
[05:09] <imbrandon> it will be retired soonish though
[05:09] <manchicken> I'll be online tomorrow.  Later.
[05:09] <imbrandon> later manchicken
[05:09] <imbrandon> take it wasy
[05:09] <imbrandon> easy*
[05:10] <manchicken> Will do.
[05:10] <freeflying> imbrandon: great :)
[05:10] <imbrandon> freeflying, sparky.ubuntuwire.com is the fqdn
[05:11] <freeflying> imbrandon: gotta, the speed to it  is quite well here :)
[05:12] <imbrandon> its a slow sparc though, be nice to her :P
[05:12] <imbrandon> ( thus is the reason for retirement soon )
[05:12] <freeflying> I see
[05:24] <uga> imbrandon: "her"?
[05:24] <uga> lol @ those that treat pcs as if they were women ;)
[05:24] <imbrandon> not pc's only servers
[05:24] <uga> lol
[05:35] <Tm_T> n8k99: busted
[05:35] <Tm_T> imbrandon: youre on gutsy?
[05:36] <imbrandon> Tm_T, yes
[05:36] <Tm_T> imbrandon: mind to create a new user and create alias or function to new users bashrc
[05:36] <Tm_T> right in the end thank you
[05:36] <imbrandon> umm i got a few builds going atm on this old p200
[05:37] <imbrandon> can it wait a bit ?
[05:37] <Tm_T> imbrandon: sure, thanks
[05:37] <imbrandon> k
[05:41] <Tm_T> n8k99: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/149527
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149527 in bash ".profile not sourced anymore" [High,Confirmed]
[05:44] <Tm_T> imbrandon: no need to, known bug
[07:18] <Tm_T> AM_3: hi
[07:19] <Jucato> AM_3: bye
[07:45] <Tm_T> AM_3: hello
[07:46] <Tm_T> Jucato: you know him/it?
[07:46] <Jucato> no. do you?
[07:46] <Tm_T> nope
[07:46] <Tm_T> 0945 -!- AM_3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:46] <Tm_T> 0945 -!-  ircname  : AM
[07:46] <Tm_T> 0945 -!-  channels : #uds-boston #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-de #kubuntu
[07:47] <Tm_T> 0945 -!- AM_2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:47] <Tm_T> 0945 -!-  channels : #kde4-devel #kde-devel
[07:47] <Tm_T> 0945 -!- AM_1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:47] <Tm_T> 0945 -!-  channels : #kde
[07:47] <Tm_T> smells?
[07:48] <Jucato> a lot
[07:50] <Tm_T> :(
[08:15] <fdoving> Riddell: there are problems with translations with multiple languages for the kde-guidance package. is it possible to make an upgraded package? - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/133315 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/158162
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133315 in kde-guidance "at least, four wrong language imports for gutsy" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:25] <Tonio_> hey
[09:28] <ubunturos> nixternal: ping
[09:29] <Jucato> he's probably still sleeping...
[09:29] <Jucato> 5:30 in the morning
[09:29] <ubunturos> Jucato: oh,
[09:29] <Jucato> or maybe even 4:30...
[09:29] <ubunturos> Jucato: do you have SVN commit access?
[09:29] <Jucato> nope
[09:29] <ubunturos> for KDE docs?
[09:47] <Tm_T> ummm
[09:47] <Tm_T> do I have?
[09:50] <Tm_T> hello mebrahim
[09:51] <Tm_T> ubunturos: what about?
[09:52] <ubunturos> Tm_T: there was a spelling mistake in one of kate's docs (i have reported a bug)
[09:52] <ubunturos> Tm_T: and that's included in the current stable version too
[09:52] <ubunturos> (3.5.8)
[09:53] <Tm_T> ubunturos: translations or in "original" =
[09:53] <ubunturos> Tm_T: I guess, original (I don't know the difference though)
[09:53] <Tm_T> hum
[09:53] <Tm_T> en (US) ?
[09:54] <ubunturos> Tm_T: yes - see the URL http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/document-menu.html
[09:54] <Tm_T> yup en us
[09:54] <ubunturos> Tm_T: no, sorry
[09:54] <ubunturos> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/config-dialog.html#config-dialog-documentlist - this one
[09:55] <Jucato> backgound?
[09:55] <ubunturos> douc instead of docu
[09:55] <Jucato> there's also "Backgound" instead of Background
[09:56] <ubunturos> Jucato: oh, right - I didn't notice that ...
[09:57] <ubunturos> if someone has commit access, I guess, this could be resolved before other distros pack it with their CD :)
[09:57] <Tm_T> I wouldnt dare do that straight away :(
[09:57] <Tm_T> sorry
[09:57] <ubunturos> Tm_T: can I ask why?
[09:58] <Tm_T> ubunturos: I have bad history of making mistakes
[09:58] <ubunturos> Tm_T: :-?
[09:58] <Jucato> distros will also most likely ship with KDE 3.5.8 anyway. and that is closed already
[09:58] <Tm_T> true
[09:59] <Tm_T> there's some #kde-docs or similar?
[09:59] <ubunturos> Tm_T: so, that would mean, 3.5.9 (if released) might reflect the changes
[09:59] <Jucato> none. they're scattered
[09:59] <Tm_T> ouch
[09:59] <ubunturos> Tm_T: yes, but that's usually inactive
[10:00] <ubunturos> Tm_T: umm
[10:00] <Tm_T> poke <your-favourite-doc-person>
[10:00] <Jucato> ubunturos: you can most likely ask around in #kde-devel about that. doc people would be PhilRod, annma, and icweiner. or you can wait for nixternal
[10:01] <Jucato> however, don't expect that the fix would be there immediately for other distros
[10:01] <Jucato> (unless they are daring and ship an SVN version of KDE)
[10:01] <ubunturos> Jucato: I had requested to change that, but I guess, KDE4 has almost taken up the environment and 3.5.x doesn't seem significant for changes
[10:01] <Jucato> not really. but there is no rush
[10:01] <Jucato> 3.5.8 was just released. and 3.5.9 is still up in the clouds
[10:01] <Jucato> when did you file the bug anyway?
[10:02] <ubunturos> Jucato: long time back
[10:02] <Jucato> before 3.5.8 was tagged?
[10:02] <ubunturos> Jucato: and posted it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list
[10:02] <ubunturos> Jucato: mostly
[10:02] <Jucato> well then, better start poking doc persons... or wait for nixternal
[10:02]  * ubunturos waits for nixternal
[10:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: 21:21:15 < azeem> ryanakca: I'll upload a new openbabel to Debian tomorrow, dropping that Replaces, I suggest just syncing that then
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like there is a problem with knetworkmanager on gutsy
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch it to work with pptp, and provide an update package
[12:54] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[12:55] <Jucato> morning jjesse! had a good night's rest? ready for another bout of UDS? :)
[13:00] <jjesse> Jucato: yeah i did, hanging out w/ the server guys for the first two session then on to kubuntu-hardy-catchup
[13:00]  * Jucato feels uncomfortable w/ the name of the spec....
[13:01] <jjesse> trying  to get kubuntu caught up w/ ubuntu
[13:02] <Jucato> oh well...
[13:02]  * ScottK2 notes the Evolution in Ubuntu does NOT support GPG and S/MIME by default, but Kmail does.  Kubuntu isn't the only one with catching up to do.
[13:03] <ScottK2> If the spec name gets the Ubuntu people spending work on Kubuntu stuff, I don't care what it's called.
[13:03] <Jucato> that's a big if... let's hope for the best :)
[13:05] <Riddell> that's unlikely
[13:06] <Jucato> which is?
[13:08] <jjesse> getting ubuntu peopel to work on kubuntu?
[13:09] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[13:11] <Hobbsee> ty
[13:17] <nixternal> k'mornin'
[13:17] <Jucato> ey nixternal! :)
[13:17] <Jucato> ubunturos (forgot the right spelling) was looking for you :)
[13:17] <nixternal> where is ubunturos go
[13:17] <nixternal> hahaha
[13:17] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[13:18] <nixternal> we can't make text changes in the stable branches :)
[13:18] <nixternal> the docs will go down in history with a typo :)
[13:18] <nixternal> how is Boston this morning?
[13:18] <nixternal> I know the Chi is pretty cold
[13:19] <jjesse> boston is cold
[13:19] <jjesse> big parade starts at noon
[13:19] <nixternal> oh man, that place is going to be nuts
[13:19] <nixternal> they are just rubbing into Joey Stanford..he has to be hating it :)
[13:19] <jjesse> its like a 10 minute walk from where we are staying
[13:20] <nixternal> if I was there, I would definitely have to go check it out, seeing as I will never get to see it with the cubs
[13:20] <jjesse> :)
[13:21] <jjesse> peoeple were lining up for a good spot last night
[14:02] <manchicken> I think Canonical intentionally scheduled UDS during the world series so that Riddell could catch the games.
[14:04] <Riddell> oh yes, I'm a big fan of organised baseball
[14:04] <manchicken> Riddell: Beats the hell out of cricket.
[14:04] <Riddell> and this being a "world" series is great to see US sports being played on an international field
[14:04] <jjesse> manchicken: too bad none of the games were in town when UDS was happening
[14:04] <jjesse> hey baseball is played in canada
[14:04] <manchicken> Riddell: We're glad you noticed.
[14:04] <manchicken> jjesse: But that's not organized :P
[14:05] <manchicken> jjesse: You didn't miss much.  If the White Sox aren't playing, it's hardly worth watching.
[14:06] <Riddell> are they different from the Red Socks?
[14:06] <manchicken> Oh yes.  Instead of being red they're white.
[14:06] <manchicken> White Sox are from the south side of Chicago, whereas the Red Sox are from some ladies room in Boston.
[14:06] <Riddell> and what does Sox mean?
[14:07] <manchicken> It's bad spelling for "socks"
[14:07] <manchicken> It's baseball, not a spelling bee.
[14:07] <Riddell> bad spelling.  edgy.
[14:07] <manchicken> Terribly.
[14:07] <Riddell> what do they have to do with Socks?
[14:07] <manchicken> They wear different colored socks.
[14:07] <Riddell> (at least they don't use forced capital Ks)
[14:07] <jjesse> not really, they wear black usually when they are playing :)
[14:08] <manchicken> And evidently that made up enough of an identity to use that as their team name.
[14:08] <manchicken> jjesse: Not when they named the teams.
[14:08] <manchicken> (more than half a century ago)
[14:15] <manchicken> this adept_batch crashing when you tell it to do something on a package that doesn't exist thing should be easy to fix.
[14:22] <Riddell> manchicken: easy? adept? :)
[14:23] <manchicken> Riddell: It looks like a simple case of failing to check for bad return and operating under the assumption that all is well.
[14:25] <Riddell> Lure: how do we match linux key codes to X key codes again?
[14:26] <Lure> Riddell: we just assign them in /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap
[14:26] <Lure> Riddell: then somethin needs to assign KAction to it (kmilo/ksmserver...)
[14:27] <Riddell> Lure: what app reads that file?
[14:29] <Riddell> xmodmap, duh
[14:29] <Riddell> well, it's all stopped working on my thinkpad
[14:29] <Riddell> I wdoner who's fault that is
[14:31] <Lure> Riddell: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
[14:31] <Lure> Riddell: brightness stopped or something else?
[14:32] <Lure> Riddell: brightness was handled in kernel before and is now moved to userspace (gnome-p-m)
[14:32] <Riddell> everything
[14:32] <Lure> Riddell: _StefanS_ was looking into this, but was too late for gutsy
[14:33] <Riddell> actually brightness works on my thinkpad :)
[14:33] <Riddell> but nice to have a kmilo display for it
[14:42] <Lure> Riddell: kubuntu session in 20 minutes, right?
[14:42]  * Jucato wonders if the icecast thing will work this time
[14:42] <Lure> Riddell: will you use gobby?
[14:43] <Lure> Jucato: what is icecast?
[14:43] <Jucato> like podcast (I think)
[14:44] <Jucato> cool it's working!
[14:44] <Jucato> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/hunsaker-a.ogg.m3u
[14:44] <manchicken> Riddell: I've got this beyotch solved.
[14:44] <manchicken> Not too hard.
[14:45] <ScottK2> manchicken: My only Adept comment (since it looks like we won't get to it) is make it faster.
[14:45] <Jucato> ScottK2: that's everyone's comment :)
[14:46] <manchicken> ScottK2: I think a KDE4 port will actually do that.
[14:46] <ScottK2> Not suprising.  I've actually quit using it as a result.
[14:46] <ScottK2> manchicken: That'll be great.
[14:46] <manchicken> I think that a change to M/V would actually fix the slowness.
[14:46] <ScottK2> M/V?
[14:46] <manchicken> Model/View
[14:46] <Jucato> Model-View
[14:46] <Jucato> :P
[14:46] <Jucato> MVC actually :)
[14:47] <Lure> Jucato: I use twinkle
[14:47] <Jucato> heheh nice :)
[14:47]  * Jucato is content just listening in
[14:47]  * Lure might want to talk on kubuntu session
[14:47] <Jucato> ooh I'll hear all your voices!! :D
[14:47] <Lure> at least to say hello ;-)
[14:47]  * Hobbsee might too
[14:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Qt4 actually has no controller.
[14:47] <Jucato> manchicken: it has. Delegates
[14:47] <manchicken> The controller is in the view for Qt4.
[14:47] <Jucato> accdg to my Qt 4 book
[14:48] <manchicken> They consider that part of the View according to Trolltech's docs.
[14:48] <manchicken> :P
[14:48] <manchicken> I would also consider delegates specific to the view.
[14:48] <Jucato> hm... the trolltech book must be wrong then :)
[14:48] <manchicken> Totally, because it's their library, how could they possibly know?  heh
[14:48] <manchicken> The docs in the Qt 4 Assistant are incredible.
[14:49] <manchicken> I was reading them on the train the other day.  Very informative.
[14:49] <Jucato> I have to start from the book... :)
[14:49] <Jucato> I still need to get used to reading apidocs
[14:50] <Jucato> hm... TT doc page down...
[14:52] <fdoving> if you have qt-copy sources you have the docs too.
[14:52] <Jucato> I don't but I have assistant installed :)
[14:53] <manchicken> You don't need the assistant.
[14:53] <manchicken> I just like the assistant because I'm lazy.
[14:53] <fdoving> qt-copy/doc/html
[14:53] <fdoving> fetch it from kde svn :)
[14:53] <Jucato> er.... that would take time. I already have assistant :)
[14:58] <Jucato> ringing phone?
[15:02] <manchicken> Okay, so I've got the adept batch crashing bug fixed.
[15:03] <manchicken> I'll be submitting the patch shortly.
[15:07] <nixternal> oh my knee hurts
[15:07] <Jucato> oh what happened nixternal?
[15:07] <nixternal> it has been acting up again
[15:07] <Jucato> again? :(
[15:07] <nixternal> I have the beginning stages of arthritis
[15:07] <Jucato> ooh.. old age?
[15:08] <nixternal> haha, ya
[15:09] <Jucato> :P
[15:09] <jjesse> nixternal and Jucato
[15:09] <manchicken> Nice.
[15:09] <jjesse> you joing the kuubnut-hardy-catchup session?
[15:09] <Hobbsee> has it started/
[15:09] <Jucato> jjesse: listening in through icecast
[15:09] <Jucato> yes
[15:10] <Hobbsee> ah ha.  connected..
[15:10] <jjesse> Riddell has a gobby session up as well
[15:10] <nixternal> I can't listen in, sitting in class :)
[15:10] <nixternal> I will fire up gobby though
[15:10] <Jucato> hehe :)
[15:12]  * Jucato wonders who's speaking currently...
[15:13] <Nightrose> someone got a link to icecast for me?
[15:13] <Hobbsee> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-10-30/index.html
[15:13] <Jucato> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/hunsaker-a.ogg.m3u
[15:14] <Nightrose> thx a lot
[15:14]  * Jucato has no idea how to make an anonymous thingy w/ Twinkle... sticks to icecast...
[15:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if you want to use twinkle, you'll need to grab a username and password
[15:16] <Jucato> hm.. according to the wiki, it's possible to just listen in using twinkle....
[15:16] <Jucato> anyway nvm :)
[15:17] <Hobbsee> i thought some of it was authenticated (5xxx), but others of it were not (6xxx)
[15:17] <Hobbsee> not hard to get a username/pass though
[15:17] <nixternal> 510n is open for listen only, 500n is for authentication only
[15:18] <Hobbsee> ah, there you go
[15:18]  * Hobbsee notes that there doesnt seem to be much of use in this, anyway
[15:18] <Hobbsee> at least, for me :)
[15:22] <Jucato> ouch! what was that loud noise?
[15:22] <jjesse> someone banging something on the table
[15:23] <Jucato> heheh :)
[15:23] <ScottK2> Anyone out there add Bluetooth to the 'catch up' spec?
[15:24] <Jucato> isn't it there areldy?
[15:24] <Jucato> 2nd in the list
[15:24] <ScottK2> Yes.  The question is who added it?
[15:24] <Jucato> aaaah
[15:24] <Jucato> that was one of the first items when the wiki was drawn up iirc
[15:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee: sorry to disturb your listening. are we going to have a meeting soon, to discuss whatever has been discussed in UDS?
[15:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i wasnt listening anyway
[15:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i have no idea.  that would be wise.
[15:32] <Jucato> O.o
[15:33] <Jucato> hehe ok :)
[15:33] <Hobbsee> (cant trash the bandwidth too much)
[15:34] <Jucato> too bad I couldn't see who are speaking.... put moving mouths with the headless voices :)
[15:35] <jjesse> ken and i were just discussing example content
[15:36] <Jucato> trying to guess the voices hehe :)
[15:36] <manchicken> There is now a patch on bug #153710.
[15:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153710 in adept "adept_batch crashes if target package does not exist" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153710
[15:36] <Jucato> yay manchicken!!
[15:36]  * ScottK2 is the one that was mumbling about being old enough to not like default directories earlier.
[15:36] <Jucato> manchicken: now we're about to ditch everything in favor of PackageKit :)
[15:37]  * manchicken wouldn't mind being in that discussion.
[15:37] <manchicken> Although I have never seen PackageKit.
[15:37] <Lure> Hobbsee: it would be nice to have regular (even if monthly) meetings scheduled
[15:37] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah.  i suck.
[15:37] <Hobbsee> Lure: part of the problem is that i havent got to it lately
[15:38] <Jucato> manchicken: Ubuntu has practically made a commitment to switch to it.. in word though, not yet in writing
[15:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: no that you suck, but you are the only person that cares enough to orginize one ;-)
[15:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's the most blocked on me
[15:38] <Hobbsee> class-wise
[15:38] <Hobbsee> maybe less so now, but still most of the time.
[15:38] <Jucato> or the only one w/ authority to organize one :P
[15:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is always blocked on somebody and TZ suck too ;-)
[15:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: it probably doesnt help that i'm not running kubuntu most of the time, at the moment.
[15:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: what are you running these days?
[15:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Blasphemer!
[15:38] <Hobbsee> ubuntu atm.
[15:39] <manchicken> heh
[15:39] <Hobbsee> manchicken: indeed!  :P
[15:39] <manchicken> Ubuntu isn't bad.
[15:39] <Jucato> at least still *buntu...
[15:39] <Jucato> I guess :)
[15:39] <Hobbsee> gotta see what the competition offers
[15:39] <manchicken> At least it's not Vista :P
[15:39] <Hobbsee> indeed - coulda been something rpm based
[15:39] <Hobbsee> no, that's left to nixternal
[15:39] <Jucato> (heard that nixternal? :P)
[15:39] <manchicken> Ooh, them's fightin' words.
[15:39] <Hobbsee> !visternal | nixternal
[15:39] <ubotu> nixternal: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[15:39] <manchicken> heh
[15:40] <Hobbsee> i'll likely switch back when we have decent (final) kde4 packages
[15:41]  * ScottK2 has tried rpm based.  Never again.
[15:41] <manchicken> If it weren't for my dependence on kontact integration, I would probably be dabbling in GNOME, too.
[15:41]  * Jucato has briefly tried... not that bad... but experience was to brief...
[15:41] <manchicken> But I'm 100% dependent on kontact.
[15:45] <nixternal> bah
[15:48] <Lure> Riddell: guidance powermanager already have brightness calls (through HAL) and provides dcop interfaces
[15:48] <Lure> Riddell: only key management is missing
[15:48] <Lure> Riddell: key shortcuts
[15:50] <ScottK2> Lure: Riddell is reading
[15:51] <Jucato> reading?
[15:51] <Lure> ScottK2: ok
[15:51] <ScottK2> Jucato: Reading what Lure wrote
[15:51] <Jucato> aaaah
[15:51] <Jucato> ok. carry on :)
[15:51]  * Jucato stopped listening now... ears hurt...
[15:56] <nixternal> any idea on how I can get Guidance to see my CPU speed? It worked once-upon-a-time, back around Edgy I think
[15:56] <Hobbsee> mouse over?
[15:56] <nixternal> ya
[15:57] <nixternal> probably a config that has been stuck since a dist-upgrade last year :)
[15:57] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: does it grey it out?
[15:57] <nixternal> yes
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> I had that problemswith that at times after waking up from suspend. It was a HAL problem
[15:58] <ScottK2> nixternal: Just use gkrellm and don't worry.
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> its fixed in gutsy for me though.
[15:58]  * nixternal uses Kima
[15:59] <nixternal> tells me my temps and my cpu speed, and it sits nicely in the kicker
[15:59] <nixternal> gkrellm is so 1990 :)
[15:59]  * Hobbsee just wants a decent weather-telling applet
[15:59] <nixternal> SuperKaramba and Conky have since replaced it
[15:59] <nixternal> plus, I never see my desktop anyways
[15:59] <nixternal> Hobbsee: LiquidWeather for SuperKaramba is about the best I have ever seen
[16:00] <Hobbsee> ah, had forgottena bout SK
[16:01]  * ScottK2 ought to look at Kima.
[16:02]  * nosrednaekim thinks of screenlets
[16:04] <ScottK2> nixternal: How do I set up kima?
[16:05] <nixternal> add it to your kicker, it is an applet
[16:14] <Tm_T> AM_1: hellooo
[16:14]  * Lure has to run, bbl
[16:33] <ScottK2> nixternal: kima works.  Thanks.
[16:36] <nixternal> yup
[16:36]  * nixternal heads home
[16:37] <Jucato> yay!!
[16:37] <Jucato> hm... how many hours of classes? O.o
[16:37] <jjesse> yay what?
[16:37] <Jucato> he's heading home
[16:37] <Jucato> and I'm heading for bed (maybe...)
[17:01] <seele> Riddell: ping
[17:13] <ubunturos> nixternal: ping
[17:27] <ubunturos> Riddell: ping
[17:34] <Riddell> seele: pong
[17:34] <Riddell> ubunturos: pong
[17:35] <ubunturos> Riddell: there's a small spelling mistake in Kate's doc - I have reported a bug. Since it is a small bug, I wished to put it across here
[17:35] <Riddell> ubunturos: make a patch and I'm happy to apply
[17:36] <ubunturos> Riddell: well, the patch is really small
[17:36] <ubunturos> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/config-dialog.html#config-dialog-documentlist - URL
[17:36] <ubunturos> Riddell: Doucment should be "Document"
[17:36] <ubunturos> Riddell: Backgound should be "Background" - thanks to jucato
[17:37] <ubunturos> Riddell: and there's %filename whose description starts with a small 't' instead of a 'T'
[17:37] <seele> Riddell: do you have time and do you care to talk about printing some time later?
[17:39] <Riddell> seele: yes, can do
[17:39] <seele> Riddell: i have (another) meeting at 14:30, so sometime after 15:30?
[17:40] <seele> i dunno if they set up conference phones or not, might be worth me calling you
[17:40] <ubunturos> Riddell: when you're done with it, you can mark the bug as resolved - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149857
[17:40] <ubotu> KDE bug 149857 in general "typo Capitalization of the first word in description" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:42] <Riddell> seele: hmm, I doubt we have a spare conference phone
[17:57] <uga> re
[18:39] <lovre> hi all. can some1 help me with kdevelop, i get an error at startup
[18:40] <lovre> hm, now i dont get it.... weird...... :S :x never mind, if it appears again, ill take a screenshot
[18:55] <lovre> any1 here?
[19:00] <Riddell> lovre: developer summit is on
[19:00] <Riddell> kdevelop questions generally best in #kdevelop
[19:01] <_buz> any chance to see kde4rc1 today?
[19:01] <lovre> Riddell: thanx
[19:01] <Riddell> _buz: nixternal was packaging it
[19:02] <Riddell> not sure of the progress
[19:02] <_buz> i'm hoping for more luck than with beta3
[19:02] <_buz> but good to hear that its being worked on ;)
[19:03] <_buz> (plasma might help silence the "omg time machine" stupidity i've been hearing for the past few days)
[19:13] <mhb> hi folks, how's UDS going for KDE?
[19:17] <Riddell> I got compiz working on my computer!
[19:17] <Riddell> burning windows!
[19:17] <mhb> Riddell: wow
[19:17] <mhb> is that what's uds is about? :D
[19:17] <jjesse> Riddell: awesome, does it work better then when we wre working on it in the ssesion?  can you help me out w/ my laptop :)
[19:17] <Riddell> sure, find the right people and problems can be solved in minutes rather than months
[19:18] <Riddell> jjesse: windows wobble and burn now, which is the important stuff
[19:18] <Riddell> jjesse: ask mvo
[19:18] <Riddell> he knows all
[19:18] <jjesse> Riddell: guess that is the importnant stuff
[19:18] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i'll have to track him down
[19:19]  * nixternal uses Compiz on my Kubuntu desktop with the FREE ATI drivers
[19:19] <nixternal> and it works nicely
[19:20] <nixternal> and I didn't have to tweak anything
[19:20] <jjesse> nixternal: kde-window-manager crashes out for me
[19:20] <nixternal> I am going to put it on my laptop, I love super+e
[19:20] <nixternal> forget what it is called, but I love the effect for changing workspaces
[19:21] <nixternal> adept_updater is the only thing that needs fixing, besides the shadows
[19:21] <DrakeJustice_> nixternal: was?? what card?
[19:21] <nixternal> to fix Katapult is easy
[19:21] <nixternal> Radon 9700
[19:21] <DrakeJustice_> nixternal: oh...
[19:21] <nixternal> works great on my Intel card as well
[19:21] <jjesse> nice
[19:21] <nixternal> and my Gefore 4 mx 420
[19:21] <nixternal> :)
[19:21] <DrakeJustice_> i hate the 200m with a passion
[19:21] <nixternal> I have 2 old video cards :)
[19:22] <nixternal> I believe the ati driver that gets used on my machine is the r300
[19:22] <DrakeJustice_> nixternal: i wish i had two old video cards, they would be more tuxish prolly
[19:22] <nixternal> Riddell: I will work on the KDE 4 RC1 packages today some more...have to create kdebase-runtime from scratch
[19:22] <_buz> i happen to have a GMA X3100 and frankly, compiz sucks under kde
[19:23] <_buz> nixternal: any chance to see up to date plasma-playground? without that, plasma is pretty useless
[19:23] <DrakeJustice_> _buz: compiz has more issuez than KDE or even KDE4 believe me
[19:23] <_buz> DrakeJustice_: i know, but it's slightly better under gnome
[19:23] <DrakeJustice_> _buz: wow, unaware...
[19:24] <_buz> at least in my case i didnt see two or three weird artifacts i had with kde
[19:24] <DrakeJustice_> such cannot wait for KDE 4.5...
[19:25] <DrakeJustice_> kde 3.5 has some kicker non-compliance... everything else was good for me
[19:25] <_buz> i occasionally had really weird menu artifacts
[19:25] <DrakeJustice_> _buz: shadows...
[19:27] <_buz> and i never got compiz to work with dual head
[19:27] <_buz> which is way more important to me than flashy effects
[19:27] <DrakeJustice_> _buz: what card?
[19:28] <_buz> GMA X3100
[19:28] <nixternal> _buz: I plan on having plasma-playground as well..that is the other new package
[19:28] <_buz> neat ;)
[19:28] <nixternal> anyone know how to create a local ODBC data source?
[19:29] <jjesse> in windows i used to :)
[19:29] <_buz> i think there are odbc drivers for mysql
[19:29] <nixternal> ya, everything I have seen so far is windows
[19:29] <_buz> i think it IS a windows technology mostly
[19:30] <nixternal> there is unixODBC..hopefully it is in the repos
[19:30] <nixternal> seems it is already installed
[19:44] <jjesse> Riddell: what room ar ey ou in know?
[19:44] <Riddell> nixternal: kdebase-runtime?
[19:44] <Riddell> jjesse: A
[19:44] <jjesse> ah
[19:45] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, it is a new package that contains all of the runtime files
[19:45] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't see it on ktown
[19:45] <nixternal> I downloaded it
[19:45] <Riddell> where from?
[19:46] <nixternal> ktown
[19:49] <jjesse> hrmm not enjoying my partial compizz
[19:56] <jpatrick> evin
[21:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: 09:18:08 #ubuntu-motu: < azeem> ryanakca: openbabel_2.1.1-2 is in Debian incoming now
[21:04] <jjesse> Riddell: are you enjoying this converstation?
[21:05] <Riddell> per user hibernation?
[21:06] <jjesse> yes
[21:06] <Riddell> if I wasn't looking at him, I'd say it was a Corey topic
[21:40] <bddebian> Heya
[21:48] <jjesse> hello bddebian
[21:48] <bddebian> Heya jjesse
[21:49] <jjesse> how are things
[22:02] <nixternal> jjesse and Riddell: that is just wrong...and I am guessing that I know the Corey you are speaking of? "per user" may have given it away
[22:02] <nixternal> I think I figured out my mdb issue
[22:03] <nixternal> and I was wrong of course :(
[22:42] <begert> nice, Dolphin looks pretty sweet (finally got KDE4 built)
[22:43] <ryanakca> crrrap. My /home partition is kaput...
[22:44] <ryanakca> bad super block supposedly, and then running 'fsck /dev/mapper/sampi-Home' asks me to rewrite each and every single block.


[10:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[20:16] <ChinnoDog> update: It was more trouble than it was worth. There are things that don't work right in Wayland yet and there were rendering issues in apps like gnome terminal.