[12:03] <nikki_a> mpmc: there you go, that's not intel is it ? :)
[12:03] <flixor> kee
[12:03] <mpmc> nikka_a: Linux thinks it is..
[12:03] <flixor> btw i love konqueror as a thing for everything
[12:03] <mpmc> <_<
[12:04] <kkathman> flixor: this too will pass :)
[12:04] <nikki_a> mpmc: no, linux knows what it says, and what AC97 really is :)
[12:04] <nikki_a> mpmc: the ICH 'driver' is the AC97 generator, it is part of the chipset, it is the part that actually needs a driver, it produces a AC97 bitstream
[12:04] <mpmc> nikka_a: I wonder is there is any real drivers for it on linux
[12:04] <nikki_a> then the realtek chip is the part that takes the AC97 bitstream and converts it to audio
[12:04] <toby> Hullo folks. Any leafnode users here?
[12:05] <mpmc> nikka_a: Is there a driver!1
[12:05] <nikki_a> mpmc: you don't need a driver for the realtek chip, its part of how AC97 works
[12:05] <nikki_a> mpmc:  you need a driver for the AC97 source (the ICH2/3/4/5 part)
[12:06] <kkathman> flixor: I like Konq as a file manager, its probably the best one out there, but dont particularly like it as a browser, but to each his/her own I always say :)
[12:06] <nalioth> eGaTS: how we doin?
[12:06] <mpmc> nikka_a: ICE958
[12:06] <eGaTS> still reading the readme
[12:07] <mpmc> nikka_a: Intel ICH5
[12:07] <nikki_a> mpmc: see, the problem is, linux (alsa) traditionally only talks to the AC97 source, the intel, via, sis southbridge
[12:07] <eGaTS> so this thing acts like adept? it retrieves perl modules?
[12:08] <nikki_a> it uses the standard AC97 methods for setting mixer levels, etc
[12:08] <eGaTS> and cpanplus is like a repository?
[12:08] <nikki_a> so the AC97 target (the realtek chip in your case) is irrelevant to the OS
[12:08] <mpmc> nikka_a: can I make it sound better.. IE get more bass?
[12:09] <nikki_a> mpmc: the problem is, windows drivers 'cheat', they talk directly to the AC97 target, and occasionally activate features, or do stuff like bass boost, to 'sound better' to uninformed ears (in reality, you're better off doing the bass boost in the digital domain)
[12:09] <nikki_a> mpmc: yes, use the EQ controls in your media player, the sound quality is better than cheating the AC97 codec into boosting bass anyway
[12:09] <flixor> true kkathman
[12:09] <mpmc> nikka_a: trying the eq settings now
[12:10] <SpudULike> What do I need to install as a minimum to be able to compile software?  I need to compile skype_dsp_hijacker but 'make' is not available.
[12:10] <kkathman> SpudULike: probably build-essentials, gcc and g++ for sure
[12:10] <flixor> btw kkathman what kind of fonts are you using in mozilla-firefox
[12:10] <flixor> because i changed mine but dont remember wich one i had
[12:10] <nikki_a> mpmc: btw, you notice the 'bass boost' trick the most when you plug your PC to an amp using analog *and* digital and switching between the two, since the digital output on a PC is pre-bass boost, it sounds thin, until you re-EQ, usually
[12:10] <chx> hi. oo2 is so very slow for me. i can see the lines of the document being drawn on the screen. litreally.
[12:11] <chx> I have an 1.08GHz Athlon, 1Gbyte of RAM, an integrated nvidia graphs motherboard, and Kubuntu Breezy.
[12:11] <SpudULike> kkathman: Ta.
[12:11] <LjL> hello, i'm quite new to (k)ubuntu, and have some doubts about the updating/upgrading policies for the standard repositories. specifically, why is the new KOffice 1.4.2 packaged in an external repository (as mentioned on the Kubuntu site) instead of just being in breezy-updates, or something? how do the standard (breezy, breezy-updates, universe...) repositires just work with regards to new versions of packages and new packages?
[12:11] <kkathman> flixor: pretty much I use Bitstream Vera Sans for most things
[12:12] <mpmc> nikka_a: funny you should meantion that.. I play My music via heaphones on the PC then play them on my MP3 player they sound nothing alike????
[12:13] <kkathman> SpudULike: you can apt-get install all those...as you compile, you may come upon dependencies, and you'll need to get those as they popup
[12:13] <mpmc> nikka_a: I always wondered why.. thanks for explaining that ^^
[12:16] <SpudULike> kkathman: What about access issues, should sudo make && make install be enough?  I just got the error - cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/lib/libskype_dsp_hijacker.so': Permission denied
[12:16] <nalioth> eGaTS: it does nothing but retrieve perl modules (nothing like adept) but it save you lots and lots of time compiling (if not finding) perl::moduels
[12:17] <eGaTS> ok
[12:17] <LjL> spud: actually, i suppose sudo would be necessary only for make install, not make
[12:17] <kkathman> SpudULike: you'll need to visit where you are doing your compiling.  Chances are, as the user, there are probably some file/directory permissions that need to be changed :)
[12:17] <kkathman> or use SUDO with your commands
[12:18] <eGaTS> should i accept the default config? or should i manually config?
[12:18] <nikki_a> the real mystery about AC97 and windows, is why on earth MS haven't taken the alsa approach and produced generic drivers for ICH*, Via, etc, it would mean that 99% of PCs out there would have audio out of the box on a fresh XP install *shrug*
[12:18] <nalioth> LjL: SpudULike   correct, only give root powers to the actual binary installation
[12:19] <nalioth> SpudULike: LjL a rogue "makefile" can trash your system terribly
[12:19] <kkathman> SpudULike: I create a directory, then chmod it to 777, then put the sources in there, make sure I do all the sudo apt-get installs. Then I do a ./configure, make and then make install
[12:19] <LjL> nikki: uhm... perhaps they like to encourage people to buy "real" soundcards when they're tired of drivers not working with AC97? ;)
[12:19] <nalioth> kkathman: sudo apt-get installs and make install?
[12:20] <kkathman> nalioth: sure during a compile, its possible that you are deficient some libraries...maybe not, but if you are, you have to get those
[12:20] <nikki_a> LjL: real soundcards like?
[12:21] <nikki_a> LjL: here's a hint, the CL cards are neither 'real' nor special, they contain a AC97 host and target just like onboard chips
[12:21] <kkathman> Ive only done 2 compiles...one for Gaim, and one for GImpshop
[12:21] <LjL> nikki: i haven't the slightest idea, i was using a SB AWE 64 till some months ago (when I bought a new computer that doesn't have ISA)
[12:21] <LjL> anyway, i was only saying "real" as in "not integrated"
[12:21] <nalioth> kkathman: you confused me. knowledge runs confusion out of town
[12:21] <kkathman> Tm_T:  was the one who walked me through all of that
[12:22] <Tm_T> ?
[12:22] <kkathman> Im sorry...I probably dont know what Im talkin about 1/2 the time anyway :)
[12:22] <kkathman> so just call me Professor Confusion :)
[12:22] <Tm_T> =)
[12:22] <nalioth> kkathman: so walk SpudULike through the process :)
[12:22] <nalioth> kkathman: in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: you eanProfessor Communism?
[12:23] <kkathman> ahh no
[12:23] <Tm_T> mean
[12:23] <Tm_T> err
[12:23] <kkathman> Confusion
[12:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: is a much better person to walk someone through a compile Im sure :)
[12:24] <kkathman> or of course, you nalioth since you do alot of that stuff :)
[12:24] <nalioth> kkathman: teaching educates
[12:24] <Tm_T> I don't compile stuff that much, only ~20 times a day
[12:24] <nikki_a> LjL: given how terrible CL and their wares are, and the fact that they've put pretty much everyone else out of business in the consumer sound card space, i don't think 'integrated' is all that bad, an AC97 stream is largely an AC97 stream
[12:25] <kkathman> But nalioth I suppose your point is, I shouldnt be offering up answers there and you are most certainly right and I apologize
[12:25] <kkathman> I'll stick with what I know...like..changing desktop backgrounds :)
[12:25] <nalioth> kkathman: please bring SpudULike and join #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:27] <LjL> besides soundcards... really, can someone drive me through this jungle of (K)ubuntu repositories? i'm in #ubuntu, too, and i'm really getting lost, i don't understand what repository is what and does what and serves which purpose anymore
[12:27] <nalioth> LjL: main is the F/OSS stuff without sticky legalities
[12:27] <nalioth> LjL: security is security updated pkgs
[12:28] <nalioth> LjL: universe is 'ubuntu maintained' other legal standing stuff (like mp3, with the fraunhofer patent)
[12:29] <nalioth> LjL: and multiverse is "the rest of the stuff that doesnt fit in any of the others"  <<<< i am not too sure the diffs tween uni and multi, but probably legal differences
[12:29] <LjL> yeah, i think it's legal differences
[12:30] <nalioth> LjL: in the future, you'll see "backports" and "extras" repos, too
[12:30] <LjL> but, mainly, when and how are packages updated, or new packages added? again, i mean, why is KOffice 1.4.2 in an external repository and not in main or updates or universe?
[12:30] <dell500> does anyone know anything about Image Gallery 2 and Apache?
[12:30] <dell500> certain conflicts and such
[12:31] <nikki_a> nalioth: i wouldn't be on backports, their mirror list keeps getting smaller and smaller :/
[12:31] <nikki_a> s/be/bet
[12:31] <nalioth> nikki_a: there are currently no breezy b/p
[12:31] <nalioth> nikki_a: and mirrormax was shut down
[12:31] <LjL> nalioth: about "extras"... in #ubuntu, i've discovered there is seveas.ubuntulinux.nl , which has "extras". where does that fit in the picture exactly? (i'd ask seveas, but there's really too much confusion on #ubuntu)
[12:32] <nikki_a> nalioth: the mirror i use (not mirrormax, i don't think) shut down a couple of days ago too
[12:32] <nikki_a> 'caliu.info' according to sources.list, just gives me failed connect attempts, and i can't be bothered to go look for another mirror
[12:32] <nalioth> nikki_a: backports got "officialized" a month or so b4 breezy released (to keep them on the same quality level as universe)
[12:33] <nalioth> so they may be vetting the archives or something
[12:34] <eGaTS> nalioth: in the cpanplus config, it asks for "Your favorite command line editor?" --would it be ok to use emacs instead of vi?
[12:34] <LjL> but what is one supposed to find in backports (when it's there), if one is running breezy?
[12:34] <martin> Q: I installed proftpd and set the password for a user, with the same username as my admin user. But then the whole system password changed! How!!!???
[12:35] <nalioth> eGaTS: your favorite editor
[12:36] <eGaTS> nalioth: and do i want to use sudo for 'make install'?
[12:38] <eGaTS> i shouldn't need to if i'm a root user, right?
[12:38] <LjL> what do you mean being a root user?
[12:38] <nalioth> eGaTS: the default answers are usually fine
[12:40] <eGaTS> ok
[12:42] <LjL> well, two questions besides repositories: 1) is anyone here using a Mac-style menu bar (since it works strangely here)?  2) how stable is KDE 3.5b2, in the opinions of those who tried it?
[12:43] <nalioth> mac-style?
[12:44] <LjL> yeah, one single menu bar for all applications, on the top of the screen. if you go to the Desktop settings in KDE (right click on the desktop), you'll have an option for that somewhere
[12:44] <LjL> basically, a new Kicker panel will be created, containing the menu bar
[12:45] <nalioth> should work the same as a bottom feeding kicker
[12:45] <LjL> i don't know what a bottom feeding kicker is... but anyway, the problem i have is this (well, it's not really a problem, it's just a strange behaviour i can work around)
[12:46] <LjL> in older versions of KDE, the menu bar wasn't really a Kicker panel, but a thing by itself. so, you couldn't add other elements to it
[12:46] <LjL> but, in older versions, there was a "Menu" applet you could add to panels, which substitued that menu bar
[12:47] <kkathman> LjL: I add lots of things to my kicker, and have a second panel just above it for all my applications
[12:47] <LjL> now, there is no "Menu" applet (well, it's there, but hidden - you can de-hide it, but it doesn't work)
[12:47] <LjL> the menu bar, though, has become a real kicker panel, but a very strange one: it can't be configured like other panels (can only stay on top, etc), it can't be the main panel (so i have to keep a "main panel" somewhere even tho i have no need for it)
[12:48] <LjL> and sometimes it just behaves weirdly (like, when i login, it isn't where it ought to be, i.e. at the top of the screen)
[12:48] <SpudULike>   --- Logical volume ---
[12:48] <SpudULike>   LV Name                /dev/Ubuntu/root
[12:48] <SpudULike>   VG Name                Ubuntu
[12:48] <SpudULike>   LV UUID                8Fa5Nb-5tdm-Hz2F-YLte-qYWz-WkV7-vK4BuE
[12:48] <SpudULike>   LV Write Access        read/write
[12:48] <SpudULike>   LV Status              available
[12:48] <LjL> kkathman: i like to have the *least possible screen space* taken up by panels. so, basically, what I (want to) have is a single panel with the applications' menu bar and some useful buttons (the K menu, a clock, etc...)
[12:48] <SpudULike>   # open                 0
[12:49] <SpudULike>   LV Size                74.62 GB
[12:49] <SpudULike>   Current LE             19102
[12:49] <SpudULike>   Segments               1
[12:49] <kkathman> Ljl you can certainly do that
[12:49] <SpudULike>   Allocation             inherit
[12:49] <SpudULike>   Read ahead sectors     0
[12:49] <LjL> kkathman: to switch between windows, I use a bottom taskbar that's kept hidden, and only appears when i go on it
[12:49] <SpudULike>   Block device           253:0
[12:49] <SpudULike>   --- Logical volume ---
[12:49] <LjL> kkathman: well, with the current version, no i can't
[12:49] <SpudULike>   LV Name                /dev/Ubuntu/swap_1
[12:49] <SpudULike>   VG Name                Ubuntu
[12:49] <SpudULike>   LV UUID                BStQ4X-W5DX-q4KS-Oh23-wWio-ocQ0-GuUzmM
[12:49] <SpudULike>   LV Write Access        read/write
[12:49] <LjL> kkathman: because i *have* to have another panel (the "main panel") besides the one containing the menu bar
[12:49] <SpudULike>   LV Status              available
[12:49] <kkathman> and then you can hide the whole thing to a single small button at the far right for instance
[12:49] <SpudULike>   # open                 0
[12:49] <SpudULike>   LV Size                1.47 GB
[12:50] <SpudULike>   Current LE             377
[12:50] <nikki_a> SpudULike: please stop
[12:50] <LjL> there is simply no way to put the menu bar *on* the main panel as an applet, as could be done in previous versions
[12:50] <SpudULike>   Segments               1
[12:50] <SpudULike>   Allocation             inherit
[12:50] <SpudULike>   Read ahead sectors     0
[12:50] <kkathman> sigh
[12:50] <SpudULike>   Block device           253:1
[12:50] <SpudULike> Sorry!
[12:50] <SpudULike> Completely the wrong window.
[12:50] <kkathman> SpudULike: read the topic sir
[12:50] <LjL> (certainly, I can make the main panel very small and keep it hidden, which is what I'm doing now... still, it's not very elegant, and this "regression" from the better behavior of previous versions is strange)
[12:50] <kkathman> LjL: why cant you configure the main toolbar?
[12:51] <nalioth> SpudULike: please dude
[12:51] <LjL> kkathman: i can configure it, but how am I going to add a menu bar to it?
[12:51] <aliveuser> if i update my kernel with a 686 version via kynaptic, what about the apps? should i make a dist-upgrade or something like that?
[12:51] <kkathman> LjL: not sure what you mean...menubar...you mean the K menu?
[12:52] <nalioth> aliveuser: you will be fine, your apps will all work (unless you are updating from amd64 or ppc)
[12:52] <kkathman> the main toolbar will have the K menu automatically inserted at the far left...at least it did for me
[12:52] <aliveuser> okey perfect
[12:52] <aliveuser> thanks
[12:52] <LjL> kkathman: no, i mean the applications' menu bar. right click on the desktop, click "Configure desktop", click "Behavior", then click "Current application's menu bar (MacOS style)"
[12:52] <kkathman> you can define any button or short cut to an app and drag it to the kicker
[12:54] <kkathman> LjL: oh...icck I dont like that, but whatever you like I suppose
[12:54] <LjL> kkathman: you don't like the way it looks in KDE, or you don't like the concept?
[12:54] <kkathman> you could turn that back to None, configure the kicker and drag it to the top
[12:54] <kkathman> no I dont like that concept of the menu bar
[12:54] <LjL> i really, *really* like the concept, and, besides personal preferences, it's been demonstrated as a better design than per-window menus, from a UI-usability perspective
[12:54] <kkathman> but thats just my preference
[12:55] <kkathman> its all about preference
[12:55] <LjL> kkathman: your suggestion doesn't work, 'cause then i'd have a main panel *and* a menu bar
[12:55] <LjL> both on top, but still separate (and taking up twice the space)
[12:55] <kkathman> yah see I would never use that menu bar at all
[12:56] <LjL> kkathman: yeah, all in all it's about preference, but there are objective factors too -- which doesn't mean you should forfait your preference in favor of the "objective factors"!
[12:56] <LjL> still, the top-of-the-screen menu bar is, well, simply easier to click
[12:57] <LjL> as the screen *ends* above it, you can't mis-click on the y axis
[12:57] <nalioth> LjL: does the kicker on the top not fulfill what you are looking for ?
[12:57] <kkathman> LjL: against thats your preference and your opinion that its easier. So thats kewl :)
[12:57] <kkathman> again I mean...not against :)
[12:57] <LjL> nalioth: no, cause it can't contain a menu bar...
[12:58] <Niomi> hello ^_^
[12:58] <nalioth> howdy
[12:58] <LjL> kkathman: no... studies have been made on a large number of users. still, clearly, if you prefer the other way, you're perfectly entitled to use it!  only, it's not just "my preference", but something that has been studied under controlled conditions
[12:59] <Niomi> do you mind if i bug you with newbie questions?
[01:00] <nalioth> Niomi: we love all kinds of questions about kubuntu
[01:00] <LjL> kkathman: and besides usability, multiple menu bars (one per window) simply take up more screen space than necessary.  now, clearly, you may not care too much about screen space, but you'll agree that, in principle, not wasting screen real estate is a Good Thing (TM)
[01:00] <LjL> oh and, by the way, I am *not* a Mac user :-)
[01:01] <LjL> (ok... i was an amiga user, and that's got top-of-the-screen menus, too ;)
[01:02] <nalioth> LjL: i AM a mac user, and i love everybody
[01:02] <Niomi> thanks nalioth :) i installed out-of-the-box ubuntu, with gnome, and later used apt-get to download and install KDE. i acessed KDE from the login screen and it appears to work okay. how is what i did different from a kubuntu installation, besides the fact that what i did has both GUIs to choose from?
[01:02] <kkathman> LjL: uhm I would submit that the studies are worth exactly zilch.  Navigability and useability, is based on a delicate balance between appearance, convenience, and the individuals personal preference and past experiences. So no study could possibly take these into account. Microsoft has done this kind of thing for years, and you see what it resulted in.  LOL
[01:02] <LjL> nalioth: i wasn't trying to be against mac users, i was just pointing out that the reason i like top-of-the-screen-menus is *not* simply because I'm used to MacOS :-)
[01:03] <nalioth> Niomi: to get a 'full' kubuntu, use apt to install "kubuntu-desktop"
[01:03] <nalioth> LjL: to each their own, my friend, we are all different in our wants and desires
[01:03] <kkathman> exactly
[01:04] <LjL> kkathman: microsoft is weird. what about the start bar? just *why* aren't the task buttons clickable from the very bottom of the screen? (actually, maybe they are in the latest versions, dunno)
[01:04] <nalioth> LjL: why must one click "start" to quit?
[01:05] <LjL> they should have learned, but it seems they hadn't when they come up with the start bar. or, perhaps they were simply afraid of being sued by apple for IP infringements, though i find that unlikely
[01:05] <LjL> nalioth: they shouldn't have called it Start to begin with...
[01:06] <dm> How can i change time format to 12 hour, instead of military time ??
[01:07] <LjL> anyway, look at the KDE panels. you can click every button (except for some weird applets perhaps) by clicking at the very top (or very bottom, or left or right, depending on your panel) of the screen
[01:07] <nalioth> dm: right click on the clock and make it so
[01:07] <kkathman> lol...if anyone would be suing it would be Xerox...they started it all anyway :)  but thats beside the point. :)
[01:07] <LjL> i just don't think they've done this by chance... this is 100% intended behavior IMHO
[01:08] <nalioth> let us not discuss the toxin that lives in Redmond (and millions of poor machines)
[01:08] <dm> nalioth i change it to pH:MM:SS:AMPM and it doenst change
[01:09] <nalioth> dm: i'm not sure if  a log out and back is necessary
[01:09] <CellarDoor> well... I've done a fresh install of breezy and I'm gonna keep it simple for the next week or so... we'll see what happens
[01:09] <LjL> well
[01:09] <LjL> oh, he's gone away anyway :)
[01:09] <nalioth> CellarDoor: welcome
[01:09] <CellarDoor> hi
[01:09] <LjL> i think at worst, he should have tried removing the clock applet and adding it again
[01:10] <dm> nalioth that worked, :)
[01:10] <CellarDoor> I've had terrible problems, 1st install stopped booting after 1 day
[01:11] <CellarDoor> 2nd install, kde started freezing on startup... and I couldnt rectify it
[01:11] <frank23> CellarDoor: when does it freeze?
[01:11] <frank23> freezy completely?
[01:12] <CellarDoor> so...uhmm first install it froze during bootup
[01:12] <CellarDoor> last install I had went funny yesterday and KDE stopped starting up
[01:12] <dm> Anyone know how to add Klaptop ? i found the Klaptopdaemon but i cant get it on my panel .. any suggestions
[01:12] <CellarDoor> failsafe mode was cactus also
[01:13] <frank23> CellarDoor: what happens? keyboard and mouse stop working?
[01:13] <CellarDoor> I'm keeping this install very simple for the next week or so... if it happens again and I cant rectify it.. I'm going back to hoary
[01:13] <nalioth> !info klaptop
[01:13] <kkathman> evening there frank23  :)
[01:13] <frank23> CellarDoor: what processor do you have?
[01:13] <nalioth> !find klaptop
[01:13] <ubotu> klaptopdaemon: (battery monitoring and management for laptops using KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 904 kB
[01:13] <dm> nm i got it
[01:13] <frank23> kkathman: hi
[01:14] <CellarDoor> frank, either failure to boot up, or KDE fails to start up
[01:14] <CellarDoor> anyone got any opinions on what the best text based irc is ?
[01:15] <LjL> telnet
[01:15] <LjL> :P
[01:15] <CellarDoor> I'm trying out xchat-text and hmm... it sucks
[01:15] <frank23> CellarDoor: I don't know if this could be your problem but powernowd caused hard freezes for me so I disabled it
[01:15] <LjL> well, i just know about irssi and ircII
[01:15] <nalioth> CellarDoor: irssi
[01:15] <Tarragon> ircII
[01:16] <CellarDoor> ok
[01:16] <Niomi> nalioth, this will allow me to choose between KDE and gnome at login, correct? will it interfere with my gnome installation or settings?
[01:16] <LjL> oh, by the way, how does one get hibernation from KDE? in Gnome, there is "Hibernate" in the log out menu, and it just works (though it's much slower than I'd like)(
[01:16] <LjL> (not a laptop)
[01:16] <nalioth> Niomi: correct. it will allow you to choose under "sessions"
[01:16] <CellarDoor> frank23: please could you explain what powernowd is and how to disable it ?
[01:17] <nalioth> Niomi: and you can use gnome progs under kde, and vice versa, also
[01:17] <LjL> cellar: aptitude remove powernowd
[01:17] <LjL> what it is, i don't really know :-) but try reading a "apt-cache show powernowd"
[01:18] <Niomi> nalioth, i have noticed that already. it's very handy, making it worth the installation even if i can't get used to KDE (but I hope to, it seems to be more flexible and customisable, even if a lot more overwhelming)
[01:18] <CellarDoor> I'm going to reboot daily to see what happens... as I don't know when the problem appears
[01:18] <CellarDoor> I
[01:18] <frank23> CellarDoor: it is responsible for changing processor clock speed. lowers the speed when the processor is not being used
[01:18] <CellarDoor> I just reboot one day, or log out and kaput...
[01:19] <CellarDoor> hmm
[01:19] <frank23> CellarDoor:  sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/powernowd   disables it
[01:19] <CellarDoor> any idea why it might cause a problem ?
[01:19] <LjL> niomi: what I hate about KDE is that, to my tastes, it looks ugly as hell by default :-) and, yeah, it's full of options... but i find it just much more attractive than Gnome
[01:19] <LjL> i mean, it has concepts in it, it doesn't just try to be "usable"
[01:19] <frank23> CellarDoor: In my case my computer freezes when it tries to change the clock speed
[01:20] <CellarDoor> gnome is ugly by default... kde is just "plain"
[01:20] <LjL> cellardoor: well i guess it depends on preferences (again)...
[01:21] <CellarDoor> frank23: I'm using an amd xp 2800+
[01:21] <nalioth> Niomi: may i suggest xubuntu-desktop also?
[01:21] <LjL> i just like simple and functional desktops (though as nice as possible, without damaging simplicity and functionality) over fancy colorful stuff
[01:21] <LjL> and KDE, by default, is well... just *TOO* fancy and colorful
[01:21] <CellarDoor> kde is improving
[01:22] <Niomi> nalioth- I've heard about x window manager, thank you for the tip. I want to try as many as I can :)
[01:22] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Niomi about xubuntu
[01:23] <CellarDoor> brb
[01:23] <Niomi> LjL: KDE looked pretty inimitating when i installed it, haha. gnome has a cleaner and simpler look for sure, but it appears that the panels and desktops are much more flexible
[01:23] <_jeremy> back
[01:24] <LjL> niomi: definitely
[01:24] <LjL> the KDE panel is quite powerful
[01:25] <LjL> well, KDE in general is quite powerful, even though it would probably benefit from some tidying-up
[01:25] <LjL> without actually *removing* features... just by making "essential" features stand out more clearly
[01:25] <nalioth> Niomi: ANYTHING in linux is configurable by you to any appearance you desire
[01:25] <LjL> so that you just don't keep staring for minutes at an overcrowded configuration dialog :)
[01:26] <nalioth> Niomi: there is no "windows registry" all settings for all you see is in YOUR personal home directory
[01:26] <Niomi> nalioth: the terminal window changed to a BIOS-like interface (grey boxes + black mono test on blue backround). Is this normal?
[01:26] <LjL> nalioth: well... it depends how *easily* configurable something is! :-) everything is configurable because you can always change the source code, but, come on ;)
[01:26] <nalioth> LjL: i'm referring to the magical .files
[01:27] <Niomi> .files?
[01:27] <nalioth> Niomi: i'm not sure what BIOS-like is.. but if it's asking you a question, choose gdm
[01:27] <LjL> nalioth: ok... still, they don't necessary allow you to configure *everything* you might like to configure
[01:27] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Niomi about cli
[01:27] <LjL> niomi: he means filenames beginning with a dot, i.e. hidden files
[01:28] <nalioth> Niomi: in *nix, .files are not seen by default (anything with a . in front of it is considered "invisible" until specifically called upon
[01:28] <Niomi> LjL: oh, thanks! They had .files in windows too, though I believe they were windows ports of linux software.
[01:28] <Niomi> such as a .gaim folder in Application Data (I think)
[01:28] <LjL> Niomi: i guess so, and in windows they don't get hidden anyway. in Linux, files beginning with a '.' are hidden by default by most shell programs
[01:29] <nalioth> Niomi: correct
[01:29] <LjL> instead, Windows has a specific attribute "Hidden" to hide files
[01:29] <CellarDoor> could someone explain how I can stop breezy's normal boot up and just go to a bash prompt ?
[01:29] <LjL> (which works quite a bit differently, internally, from the Unix "dot" files, AFAIK)
[01:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell CellarDoor about bum
[01:31] <LjL> !bum
[01:31] <ubotu> somebody said bum was a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[01:32] <CellarDoor> I just wanna be able to get to a bash prompt if breezy stops behaving nice
[01:33] <nalioth> CellarDoor: see the double post
[01:33] <LjL> what about passing  init=/bin/sh to the kernel?
[01:34] <frank23> !w32codecs
[01:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[01:34] <LjL> (i admit i don't quite see how bum would be useful for what cellardoor wants, though I haven't actually installed it)
[01:35] <eGaTS> is there a linux equivalent of undelete in kubuntu? (to recover an rm'ed file)
[01:35] <LjL> apt-cache search undelete
[01:35] <nalioth> bum will allow its user to remove "gdm" from the startup routine
[01:36] <nalioth> eGaTS: i'm sorry to say, once rm'd, forever gone
[01:36] <nalioth> eGaTS: unless you have lots of money for the data professionals
[01:36] <LjL> nalioth: oh, right, but i was thinking about just getting a shell in single-user mode (though maybe i've misunderstood)
[01:36] <frank23> nalioth: really? the data is not overwritten immediately though
[01:36] <LjL> anyway, how are you going to start bum if you can't start X? :->
[01:37] <eGaTS> i thought rm just unlinked the file.... not shredded?
[01:37] <LjL> hmm nalioth (about undelete), wait a moment
[01:37] <LjL> apt-cache show e2undel
[01:37] <nalioth> frank23: do you want to hand scan each sector for your raw data signatures to recover it?
[01:37] <propagandhi> eGaTS: http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/
[01:37] <nalioth> LjL: e2undel doesnt work too well on ext3, i dont think
[01:37] <eGaTS> yeah, i've been there
[01:37] <eGaTS> just wondering if linux had a native command.
[01:37] <LjL> propagandhi: didn't know about that one, thanks
[01:38] <LjL> nalioth: isn't ext3 just ext2 with a jornal added? i mean, an ext3 filesystem can be mounted as ext2 with no trouble
[01:38] <nalioth> eGaTS: let's pause for a moment, and open a console
[01:38] <propagandhi> LjL: no worries
[01:38] <eGaTS> already there, n.
[01:38] <nalioth> LjL: it is, but you cant treat it like an ext2 fs
[01:38] <nalioth> eGaTS: type "gedit ~/.bashrc"
[01:39] <eGaTS> k
[01:39] <frank23> nalioth: since you can mount an ext3 as ext2 isn't ok to use it that? (but maybe recovering still doesn't work)
[01:39] <nalioth> eGaTS: at the bottom of the .bashrc, type     alias rm="rm -i"
[01:40] <Niomi> nalioth, that's a good link for basic commands. thanks!
[01:40] <nalioth> frank23: the journaling has some futzing to do with some recovery things
[01:40] <flixor> guys i am looking for an app wich is as fast as cqview but then one with a better interface
[01:40] <nalioth> Niomi: ubotu is full of helpful things
[01:40] <nalioth> Niomi: but you must be registered to use him
[01:40] <nalioth> Niomi: please type /msg nickserv help register
[01:40] <eGaTS> lol, that's ok
[01:40] <Niomi> that's nalioth :D
[01:40] <nalioth> eGaTS: dont need a "rm speedbump" ? i have one
[01:41] <eGaTS> i would have confirmed the deletion anyways
[01:41] <nalioth> eGaTS: it's your machine :)
[01:41] <frank23> nalioth: ok.  I guess the only way to have "undelete" is by using a script for rm that backs up files somewhere instead of deleting them.
[01:42] <nalioth> frank23: that is one way, yes
[01:42] <eGaTS> never mind. i think you answered my question: there is no undelete command native to linux. end of topic.
[01:43] <frank23> eGaTS: maybe some other filesystems are more forgiving
[01:43] <LjL> frank: well, or at least a script that saves the starting block of the file somewhere
[01:43] <nalioth> frank23: ahemWindoh!sGurgle
[01:43] <LjL> egats: well, if you're using ext2, there definitely is (though "native to linux" doesn't mean much of anything)
[01:43] <nalioth> LjL: as frank23 mentioned there is a script that takes "rm bleh" and squirrels 'bleh' away somewehre in a temp dir
[01:44] <eGaTS> what i mean by native is the simple commands: ls, rm, etc.
[01:44] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, i read what he said...
[01:44] <nalioth> Niomi: /msg nickserv help register
[01:44] <nalioth> Niomi: /msg nickserv register <THEPASSWORDYOUWANT>
[01:44] <LjL> egats: they aren't any more native than the "e2undel" command. well, actually, "ls" and "rm" are bash built-ins AFAIK, but they're not "native to linux" by any means
[01:45] <Niomi> nalioth, thanks for putting up with me XD
[01:45] <nalioth> Niomi: i'm here to help (or try)
[01:45] <eGaTS> ok, native to bash then. i've never used any other shell. and my lingo is lacking.
[01:46] <LjL> egats: ok, but anyway, many of the commands you use everyday (and that everyone uses everyday) are not even native to bash
[01:46] <nalioth> eGaTS: i believe you have enough info to continue your relationship with "rm" in a way you like
[01:46] <eGaTS> i guess i made some assumptions about the file system i shouldn't have. i'll have to read up on ext.
[01:46] <LjL> they're simply executable programs, which happen to be found on a large number of systems running Linux
[01:46] <LjL> in other words, they're quite standard, but "native", no
[01:47] <LjL> egats: I have a feeling that, simply, nobody until now cared to write an "undelete" program for ext3... but i don't think it's not doable in principle
[01:47] <frank23> "ls" and "rm" were most likely comonly used before Linus was born
[01:47] <LjL> frank: absolutely
[01:48] <tarheelcoxn> anybody have a paper towel?
[01:48] <Tm_T> no
[01:48] <LjL> still, they're as native as any other program, since they're simply executables like many others (well, again, in the specific case of "ls" and "rm", that's not true if one's using bash)
[01:48] <Tm_T> just kick em around
[01:48] <tarheelcoxn> nalioth++
[01:49] <CellarDoor> eGaTS: you just gotta get used to a 'modular' approach... KDE is not linux... bash is not linux... theyre all part of the distribution, the whole package... linux is the kernel
[01:49] <tarheelcoxn> midi hold music is really annoying
[01:49] <LjL> cellar: yeah that was basically what i was trying to say.
[01:49] <CellarDoor> :)
[01:50] <LjL> and, besides "philosophy"... as a practical matter, i don't see any *practical* difference between having an "undelete" command that's somehow "native" to the OS, and having one that isn't
[01:51] <CellarDoor> I'm somewhere between n00b and semi-n00b, and take pride in still being able to speak in terms 'ordinary folk' understand... at least I think I can...
[01:51] <LjL> i'm by no means a "linux expert" or anything, nowhere near
[01:51] <LjL> but i didn't start with windows or ms-dos
[01:51] <eGaTS> cellar: i'm like a dog trying to understand the concept of color.
[01:51] <CellarDoor> :P
[01:52] <Niomi> i do believe dogs can see shades of red? maybe i'm thinking about cats
[01:52] <LjL> i think i just have different "ordinary terms" in my mind. on AmigaOS, i never heard people speaking of "native commands"
[01:52] <tarheelcoxn> LjL: let's refer to them as "OSs from that Redmond-based company"
[01:52] <LjL> so it just sounds strange for me to hear that term, linux or not linux
[01:52] <nalioth> there is a great help reference in ubotu
[01:52] <nalioth> !ubotu
[01:52] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:53] <nalioth> note the URL in that factoid
[01:53] <eGaTS> lol
[01:53] <nalioth> !+msg the bot
[01:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please. /msg ubotu keyword, or especially if you do not know whether some factoid exists.
[01:53] <nalioth> use all your resources for learning
[01:54] <frank23> I saw in the forums that w32codecs and sun's java will appear again in breezy-extras as packages which download and install those somewhere else.
[01:54] <Demon_stroke> omg!
[01:54] <tarheelcoxn> reading posts on mailing lists--also a great way to learn
[01:54] <flixor> what i dont understand why is a program like gwenview making every time when i start the program new thumnails
[01:55] <frank23> so breezy-* repos will have everything you need again!
[01:55] <flixor> why dont it save the once made thumbs
[01:55] <Tm_T> kinfo
[01:55] <dm> How do i setup my multimedia keys in KDE??
[01:55] <Tm_T> "kinfo
[01:55] <Tm_T> !kinfo
[01:55] <ubotu> Not a clue, Tm_T
[01:55] <Tm_T> yu
[01:55] <kkathman> ;p;
[01:55] <kkathman> lol
[01:55] <Tm_T> why the hell that bot is here
[01:56] <CellarDoor> eGaTS: its just a matter of familiarity really, you get used to it after a while, and it all gets much easier to understand... the thing that makes it more difficult in my experience is if your mind has already been trained to think in "Windows thinking"...
[01:56] <kkathman> !disco
[01:56] <ubotu> Woo Yeah, boogie on down...... **flashing lights*** party :D
[01:56] <tarheelcoxn> dm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:56] <kkathman> thats why
[01:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: I'm talking about kinfo
[01:56] <kkathman> just playin
[01:56] <Tm_T> I know why ubotu is here
[01:56] <tarheelcoxn> dm: that will get X to recognize those keys... getting them to work with KDE is another story
[01:56] <LjL> cellar: no, it's just a matter of familiarity, but that means that after a while, you'll have discovered some new, harder to understand things that you didn't believe existed
[01:57] <CellarDoor> hehe
[01:57] <kkathman> Like I said earlier CellarDoor Linux is a journey with an endless horizon
[01:58] <CellarDoor> well... I find it easier to understand the concepts involved today than I did 24 months ago
[01:58] <LjL> well, after X has recognized the keys, with KDE it should be simply a matter of assigning the shortcuts you like
[01:58] <tarheelcoxn> dm: did you already try that?
[01:58] <dm> tarheelcoxn they worked in gnome, is there an option like gnome to set them up for Play/pause / etc
[01:58] <tarheelcoxn> ahhhh
[01:58] <dm> tarheelcoxn yeah still dont work in KDE
[01:59] <tarheelcoxn> weird. That might be something you'd want to post to a few forums or mailing lists
[01:59] <LjL> dm: there are things like that in KDE media programs, too. it's usually under "Settings / Configure shortcuts", though I must say my media keys aren't working with that
[01:59] <LjL> (and yeah, I also think I remember that they worked in GNOME but not in KDE, though that was on Debian)
[01:59] <flixor> guys i call it a day adios and see and read you tommorow kkathman and nalioth thanks for the help today
[01:59] <Ninjew> Hey, does anybody know what the kwin window decoration theme used in this screenshot is: http://www.madtasty.com/files/crypto.png ?
[01:59] <nalioth> forums are not factual, mailing list would be a surer source of java/w32codec knowledge
[02:00] <nalioth> flixor: be safe
[02:00] <dm> ljl i dont see a Configure shortcuts in Settings
[02:00] <kkathman> LjL: I think dm means like the keys that are on his multimedia keyboard, not the configure keys like ctrls and alts
[02:00] <LjL> kkathman: i mean the same
[02:00] <humbolt> I want to use "alsaplayer -i text" to play my system notifications. using alsaplayer without arguments works, with arguments it does not. what am I doing wrong.
[02:00] <LjL> dm: try for example in KMix
[02:00] <LjL> dm: (though, strangely, i don't see shortcuts for "volume up" and "volume down" there.... bah?!)
[02:00] <fujisan> Can you get a virus when browsing on pornsites using ubuntu?
[02:01] <kkathman> right thats what I was sayin Ljl :)
[02:01] <LjL> what kind of question is this? :D
[02:01] <dm> ljl yeah , gnome had them but KDE doesnt, thats wierd
[02:01] <fujisan> important 1 :)
[02:01] <nalioth> fujisan: there are no known viruses for linux, no matter where you surf
[02:01] <fujisan> answer please
[02:01] <fujisan> :)
[02:01] <fujisan> cool
[02:02] <LjL> dm, kkathman: yeah, but anyway, on my computer KDE isn't recognizing my "multimedia" keys as valid shortcuts --- then, the fact that there is no "volume" shortcut available is another issue
[02:02] <fujisan> maybe i should make some :)
[02:02] <tarheelcoxn> fujisan: good luck
[02:02] <frank23> nalioth: that's not absolutely true is it? malicious programs that run as user could definitly exist
[02:02] <fujisan> haha
[02:02] <dm> ljl so how do i fix this?
[02:02] <kkathman> nalioth: there are, but they are few and far between...heres a list of them:  http://www.viruslibrary.com/virusinfo/Linux.htm
[02:03] <LjL> dm: i have honestly no idea, but let me look around a bit... i'm also interested in getting media keys to work (even though it didn't even occur to me before you mentioned them ;)
[02:03] <kkathman> what you are shielded from, fujisan are the exploits in Internet Explorer, and things that use ActiveX etc
[02:03] <kkathman> among other things :)
[02:03] <fujisan> lol
[02:04] <nalioth> frank23: yes, but most virus writers want to use your machine for their own ends, not use your piddly permissioned part of it
[02:04] <dm> ljl like i sayed they worked in gnome :( /cry
[02:04] <LjL> dm: well, i see there is a program "hotkeys" in the repository, which does just about what we seem to want. but i *think* i remember I tried that one in debian, and i found it to be a bit of a mess
[02:04] <LjL> still, you could try it
[02:04] <CellarDoor> bye all
[02:04] <LjL> bye
[02:04] <frank23> nalioth: but a user program can do anything on the network (without a firewall) so it could serve as mail relay, ddos etc right
[02:05] <nalioth> frank23: yes, technically true, but we have our numbers to thank for our lack of those malicious things
[02:05] <fujisan> i get an error it wont Kaffeine cant open mpeg files ?
[02:05] <kkathman> there isnt much reason for a virus writer to go the LInux direction anyway...the impact wouldnt be satisfying to them
[02:06] <LjL> oh, look!
[02:06] <LjL> if you right click on the master volume slider (or any slider, actually) in KMix, there is a "Configure shortcuts" that will allow you to set shortcuts for volume up, down and mute
[02:06] <frank23> nalioth: yeah.. Do you know if there is anyway to prevent a specific program from using the network? ex: allow one browser but not another
[02:06] <LjL> though clearly this doesn't help with not being able to assign multimedia-keys shortcuts
[02:06] <fujisan> so even when some1 sends you a windows virus i wont do nothing?
[02:06] <fujisan> it*
[02:06] <nalioth> fujisan: nothing at all
[02:06] <frank23> nalioth: windows firewalls can do this but not linux, as far as I know
[02:07] <nalioth> frank23: have you researched iptables and ipconf?
[02:07] <frank23> nalioth: no.
[02:07] <tarheelcoxn> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/09/19/linux_rootkit_hacker_suspect_arrested/
[02:07] <fujisan> Do i need a firewall to protect my steampassword?
[02:07] <frank23> nalioth: can they tell what program is doing whar?
[02:08] <nalioth> frank23: iptables is quite configureable
[02:08] <Niomi> the ubotu has some great easter eggs XD
[02:08] <kkathman> hehe
[02:08] <tarheelcoxn> ie. you don't need to worry about you linux box being hacked unless it is a production server
[02:08] <nalioth> frank23: psss, when people say "linux firewall" they actually are talking about iptables
[02:08] <frank23> Niomi: that's because anyone can teach him things, I think
[02:08] <kkathman> nalioth: firestarter is a linux firewall isnt it?
[02:08] <frank23> nalioth: I know...
[02:09] <nalioth> kkathman: firestarter is a linux iptables frontend, yes
[02:09] <Niomi> kkathman: isn't firestarter a GUI for iptables?
[02:09] <Niomi> well, he beat me to it
[02:09] <kkathman> ok
[02:09] <kkathman> hehe
[02:09] <kkathman> nice
[02:09] <fujisan> hey help i'm trying to listen to internetradio using amroK but it keeps loading buffer without playing any music?
[02:09] <kkathman> Im pretty sure I dont need one anyway :)
[02:10] <nalioth> professor kkathman, looks like we're gonna have to make room at the faculty table, heh
[02:10] <frank23> nalioth: none of the linux I've seen can the "some program wants to access the network, do you want to allow this? yes/no" though
[02:10] <LjL> dm: there is a (complicated) explanation here: http://dot.kde.org/1094715499/1094828408/
[02:10] <nalioth> frank23: no, in linux, you know what you want, and make it so
[02:10] <LjL> still, i have no clue why they work out of the box in gnome
[02:10] <kkathman> well we certainly cant have too much help, Sir nalioth  :)
[02:11] <Niomi> LJL: can you tell me what you mean by 'out of the box'?
[02:11] <frank23> nalioth: that's not as excuse. not everyone knows enough to know what port is needed open for what program
[02:11] <kkathman> nalioth: psss means we can slip off and not feel guilty :)
[02:11] <florent> is there a french channel of kubuntu plz ?
[02:11] <LjL> niomi: well, dm said (and I remember the same from when I was using Debina) that GNOME supports multimedia keys without doing anything special, while KDE doesn't (and this is my experience, too)
[02:12] <fujisan> hey help i'm trying to listen to internetradio using amroK but it keeps loading buffer without playing any music?
[02:12] <endo602> what is a good ftp client
[02:12] <frank23> florent: oui, kubuntu-fr
[02:12] <endo602> ?
[02:12] <nalioth> frank23: between user permissions, iptables and other facets of *nix, you can restrict anything from happening online
[02:12] <florent> frank23tu peux maider ?
[02:12] <nalioth> endo602: gftp
[02:12] <endo602> client
[02:12] <endo602> or server?
[02:12] <frank23> florent: va dans #kubuntu-fr
[02:12] <kkathman> evening endo602  :)
[02:12] <florent> ok
[02:12] <endo602> kkathman: what up man
[02:13] <endo602> how you been
[02:13] <kkathman> been good, and yourself, endo602  :)
[02:13] <LjL> (by the way, another thing GNOME supports "out of the box" is hibernation, or software-suspend, which KDE apparently doesn't support on Kubuntu, even though i've read clues that it's supposed to support it)
[02:14] <FreeBird> test
[02:14] <Niomi> LjL, really? I'm having trouble getting hibernation to work correctly on my laptop
[02:14] <fujisan> how do i get caffeine to play mpeg movies?
[02:14] <nalioth> FreeBird: b-
[02:15] <fujisan> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[02:15] <LjL> niomi: actually, my computer is not a laptop, but hibernation (i.e. software suspend, i.e. suspend-to-disk) does work in GNOME -- what's strange is that it works without the "hibernate" script installed
[02:16] <nalioth> fujisan: search adept for 'mpeg'
[02:16] <LjL> must say it's not too well-refined even in gnome... when i tell it to hibernate, it does some stuff, then turns the HDs off, then on again, and then turns the power off
[02:16] <FreeBird> :-)
[02:16] <LjL> and something similar (but reversed) is done on a later restart... wastes a lot of time that shouldn't be wasted
[02:16] <Niomi> i can get it to hibernate and gnome but not automatically when the case is closed, and/or after a certain amount of idle time
[02:17] <kkathman> For those of you that are into MySQL and PHP or Python programing, this looks promising: http://www.alwins-world.de/programs/kmysqladmin/
[02:17] <LjL> well, i don't really know about that, as I have no case to close...
[02:17] <fujisan> nalioth which 1 should i install?
[02:17] <endo602> nalioth: how is pftp?
[02:18] <endo602> kkathman: i have been doing great
[02:18] <endo602> my wife still hasnt given birth yet
[02:18] <nalioth> fujisan: look for mpeg engine for use with media players
[02:18] <LjL> besides, i think hibernation is underrated. i've read people writing "it's not needed anyway, as KDE/GNOME can restore the session as it was previously, not like RedmondSoft does"
[02:18] <nalioth> endo602: all these programs in the repos are free to use as you wish, d/l and use as many as you can find, and keep on using what you like
[02:19] <LjL> well, this just makes no sense, as hibernation gives you a much faster boots when you have many applets/applications loaded, and the "session restoring" is much more predictable
[02:19] <kkathman> endo602: we are keeping you and your wife in our thoughts :)
[02:19] <eGaTS> nalioth: i typed "cpanp d XML::Parser" and it fetched the .tar.gz. what do i do with it?
[02:20] <nalioth> eGaTS: stop the press.
[02:20] <dm> ljlfind anything else?
[02:20] <LjL> on W*ndows, i just never really *turn off* my computer, as hibernation is more than good enough. i just reboot it sometimes when it gets in bad states (which don't happen *too* often with win2000, after all)
[02:20] <nalioth> eGaTS: type exit or whatever
[02:20] <fujisan> nalioth i clicked on install package but it keeps saying not installed?
[02:20] <LjL> dm: no :(
[02:20] <nalioth> fujisan: which install pkg?
[02:20] <fujisan> ffmpeg
[02:21] <LjL> nalioth: ?
[02:21] <LjL> nalioth: nevermind
[02:21] <eGaTS> nalioth: so the module is installed? the gimp plugin's make is still asking for it.
[02:21] <nalioth> eGaTS: your command is "cpan install perl::module"
[02:22] <eGaTS> awesome :)
[02:22] <endo602> kkathman: thanks man
[02:22] <nalioth> or type "cpan" <enter> (it loads a cpan prompt) and then "install perl::module"  (and when done, type 'exit' to leave the cpan prompt)
[02:22] <endo602> anyone here use psybnc>?'
[02:22] <endo602> nalioth: i dl both
[02:23] <endo602> im trying that out now
[02:23] <fujisan> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[02:23] <fujisan> i tried this command
[02:23] <fujisan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:23] <fujisan> and got that error
[02:23] <nalioth> fujisan: close all your apts, synaptic/adepts
[02:23] <fujisan> How can i see wich app is using it
[02:24] <hydrogen> lsof
[02:24] <fujisan> k got it ty
[02:26] <fujisan> Now i get the error i cant play the mpeg from dvd cuz i can only select local files?
[02:26] <fujisan> ;/
[02:26] <LjL> dm: another progrma you could try is LinEAK (it's in the reps). it's got a KDE GUI too
[02:26] <nalioth> fujisan: what kind of dvd?
[02:26] <fujisan> a data dvd
[02:27] <fujisan> burned wih nero
[02:27] <LjL> dm: (still, i think mm keys ought to work without any additional programs... but hotkeys or LinEAK could be decent fix-ups)
[02:27] <fujisan> cant i play those>?
[02:29] <fujisan> here were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[02:29] <fujisan> in installed the mpeg codec
[02:29] <fujisan> how do i know which 1 is the right one
[02:30] <LjL> oh, i've just discovered there are suspend to ram and suspend to disk scripts in /etc/acpi... i'll try them, which means i'll ping timeout if they do work ;)
[02:30] <laszlok> Anyone know anything about multimedia keys in KDE? I set the keyboard to iTouch in system settings, and now when i use the volume buttons, a big volume display pops up.
[02:30] <laszlok> But i would rather have it assigned to a dcop call for amarok
[02:30] <gerardocb> Does someone knows about a good multiplatform videoconf program for Linux?
[02:30] <dm> ljl trying now
[02:31] <gerardocb> I know about gnomemeeting, but h.323 is not a very good option por nat'ed networks...
[02:32] <dm> ljl know the command to start lineak ?
[02:33] <hydrogen> what happened to Klineakconfig
[02:33] <hydrogen> why is it nonexistant
[02:33] <LjL> dm: haven't tried it, but KLineakConfig should be the KDE configuration client
[02:33] <eGaTS> nalioth: how do i know if it worked? that was a very verbose process.
[02:33] <LjL> oh....
[02:33] <LjL> :)
[02:33] <nalioth> eGaTS: try your gimp build again
[02:33] <eGaTS> lol, ok
[02:33] <hydrogen> its not installed for me..
[02:34] <dm> ljl lemme try a reboot.
[02:34] <eGaTS> nalioth: still saying the same thing
[02:35] <eGaTS> "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool"
[02:35] <nalioth> eGaTS: your cpan process finished without error?
[02:35] <eGaTS> not sure.
[02:36] <eGaTS> it said "All tests successful" but also "Already tried without success"
[02:36] <eGaTS> the text goes for miles
[02:36] <nalioth> eGaTS: make cpan do it again
[02:37] <LjL> wow!
[02:37] <LjL> i hibernated, then resumed, and i was still connected to IRC :)
[02:37] <Seek205> lol
[02:37] <nalioth> cool beans, LjL
[02:38] <LjL> well, this doesn't excuse that hibernation is slow as hell, anyway ;)
[02:38] <LjL> it's just not slow enough for freenode to end up its patience :)
[02:38] <fujisan> it works now but not synced
[02:38] <nalioth> ubotu: tell fujisan about dma
[02:38] <fujisan> very skippy
[02:39] <dm> ljl *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08058724 ***
[02:39] <LjL> dm: cute...
[02:39] <LjL> look, why don't you just do what's described in the link i gave you? it looks more than a bit tedious to do, but if you really want mm keys, it seems like the safest way to go
[02:40] <LjL> and it doesn't involve any additional software running as a daemon
[02:40] <dm> i dont mind daemons running,
[02:40] <dm> :P
[02:40] <nalioth> as long as they're not running after you, eh?
[02:40] <eGaTS> nalioth: it says something about installing sample programs in /usr/bin. i don't want to junk up my bin dir-- would that have caused the unsuccessful install?
[02:41] <LjL> ok, but still, it's something KDE definitely ought to be able to do without daemons... otherwise, KMix and friends wouldn't offer shortcuts for "volume up" and such, i suppose ;)
[02:41] <nalioth> eGaTS: is this after you configured cpan?
[02:41] <eGaTS> yes, i accepted the default config
[02:42] <LjL> (by the way, about hibernation... while /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh works for suspend to disk, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh has no effect even though it should suspend to ram)
[02:42] <dm> ljl  can you give me that link again ? please
[02:43] <LjL> http://dot.kde.org/1094715499/1094828408/
[02:44] <dm> ljl i agree with you :)
[02:45] <dm> ljl there is no reason gnome has it and KDE doesnt
[02:45] <LjL> but besides that, it looks like KDE *intends* to have it, just it doesn't really work for some reason
[02:47] <LjL> ops
[02:47] <eGaTS> nalioth: i accepted the default config, and this is during the build of libwww-perl-5.803.
[02:47] <LjL> i think i've started a shutdown unintentionally =)
[02:48] <fujisan> nalioth this command in the wiki is incorrect sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf , it should be: sudo nano /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:48] <nalioth> eGaTS: try compiling that pkg yourself
[02:48] <LjL> hmm no perhaps i haven't... still, i should learn the difference between "something" and "cat something" ;-)
[02:48] <nalioth> fujisan: either one is correct
[02:48] <fujisan> nope not for me
[02:48] <fujisan> gedit is unknown command for my Konsole
[02:49] <nalioth> ok. the wiki is ubuntu oriented (which has gedit by default)
[02:57] <fujisan> WHy cant i go fastforward in Kaffeine?
[02:59] <eGaTS> nalioth: problem solved--found the plugin on adept :p
[03:04] <humbolt> kaffeine does not play videos with MSS2 ASF codec (.wmv)
[03:09] <dm> i keep getting a Crash handler pop up after i use Adept., saying "The application Adept manager crashed and caused the signal 11 (sigsegv) anyone have an idea?
[03:12] <at1as> Cisco's VPN Client causes a hard lock up when I lose the wireless network association.  Does anyone else have this problem on breezy?
[03:14] <fujisan> Help which plugins do i need to play shoutcast internetradio with Kaffeine?
[03:26] <cheapy> lol well that's great heh
[03:26] <cheapy> can't seem to start win2k anymore due to a "Disk error"
[03:26] <cheapy> however all drives show up and work fine in kubuntu
[03:26] <cheapy> and it was working before
[03:26] <cheapy> (using grub)
[03:36] <frank23> cheapy: still there? paste your  /boot/brub/menu.lst to pastebin
[03:37] <fujisan> Is Kde just the gui?
[03:38] <cheapy> http://pastebin.com/407342
[03:38] <fujisan> cheapy: ..
[03:38] <fujisan> Is Kde just the gui?
[03:38] <cheapy> yeah pretty much
[03:39] <cheapy> kubuntu = ubuntu with kde instead of gnome
[03:39] <fujisan> k
[03:40] <hydrogen> well
[03:40] <hydrogen> kde is the gui and about<PHONE_NUMBER>092359023 apps on the UI
[03:40] <frank23> cheapy: so you have 2 entries in grub for windows and none work?
[03:40] <cheapy> both don't work
[03:40] <cheapy> (actually the bottom one was the one i used the most, however it just stopped working)
[03:41] <frank23> cheapy: when did it stop working?
[03:41] <cheapy> when it gave the error it then tried to boot from the second physical hard drive rather than the first
[03:41] <cheapy> today
[03:41] <frank23> what changed?
[03:41] <cheapy> nothing
[03:41] <cheapy> (seriously i did nothing to cause this :O)
[03:41] <cheapy> though i did leave my comp on for a few days straight prior to this
[03:42] <cheapy> the partition windows 2000 is on still exists and is accessible fine
[03:42] <frank23> cheapy: I don't know what the problem is...
[03:42] <cheapy> neither do i
[03:42] <endo602> is it possible to put kubuntu on standby
[03:42] <kkathman> standby?
[03:42] <endo602> instead of ending session or turning off?
[03:42] <chavo> hydrogen, your 305920 key is sticking
[03:43] <kkathman> endo602: why dont you just leave it on...is there a problem with that?
[03:43] <hydrogen> if by satndby you mean suspend
[03:43] <hydrogen> yes
[03:43] <kkathman> chavo :)
[03:43] <endo602> there is an option to suspend
[03:44] <endo602> this is a laptop kk
[03:44] <chavo> hello kkathman!
[03:44] <kkathman> ahh ok gotcha sorry
[03:44] <kkathman> howdy chavo :)
[03:44] <endo602> is cool
[03:48] <endo602> where can i find the battery monitor?
[03:49] <endo602> how do i enable standby?
[03:49] <endo602> nic
[03:49] <endo602> nice
[03:49] <endo602> i found it
[03:52] <endo602> i need to find that battery monitor
[04:16] <kkathman> evening Hobbsee, or morning :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hey all
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:16] <Hobbsee> midday
[04:16] <Hobbsee> just got back from my exam
[04:16] <kkathman> midday then :)
[04:16] <kkathman> how'd ya do?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> first 5 questoins out of 7 were easy, last ones were impossible, pretty much
[04:17] <Hobbsee> but that's ok, no one can do them
[04:20] <cheapy> nooooooooooooooooo
[04:20] <cheapy> linux nvidia driver 404s on nvidia's site
[04:20] <cheapy> nv how could you >:
[04:20] <kkathman> Hobbsee: well Im sure you did just fine then :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> yeah ;)
[04:20] <cheapy> false alarm, works now
[04:21] <kkathman> cheapy: sometimes lots of traffic at that site will do that
[04:23] <bastardkestrel> hi
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hi
[04:24] <bastardkestrel> how can i check what my wireless provider is?
[04:25] <bastardkestrel> i mean whether its dsl or cable, comcast or cox etc
[04:26] <kkathman> bastardkestrel: uhmmm you could check your bill...or who you last wrote yer check to :)
[04:26] <bastardkestrel> sorry i meant to say im in some strange house
[04:26] <bastardkestrel> not mine
[04:27] <Hobbsee> does kwifimanager tell you?
[04:27] <kkathman> bastardkestrel: ahh.. well, look at the TV...see if there's a cable in there
[04:27] <bastardkestrel> lol
[04:27] <bastardkestrel> good idea
[04:27] <bastardkestrel> well there is
[04:27] <kkathman> bastardkestrel: then turn on the TV and check the GUIDE
[04:27] <bastardkestrel> well maybe there is dsl here
[04:28] <kkathman> pop around some channels or find the remote and see if there's a setup
[04:28] <kkathman> that should tell you the provider
[04:28] <bastardkestrel> i cant leave this side of house
[04:29] <bastardkestrel> damn ill have to sneak  through living room
[04:29] <kkathman> bastardkestrel: if you have Internet access, you could check your ip address then see if you could do a dns command...I forget
[04:29] <kkathman> the command kinda does a reverse on the ip and says who owns it
[04:29] <bastardkestrel> where are the desktop backgrounds stored when you go to install them?
[04:29] <bastardkestrel> yes thats is
[04:30] <Hobbsee><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:30] <Hobbsee> that help?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: that help?
[04:30] <kkathman> bastardkestrel: typically the wallpapers are in /usr/share/wallpapers
[04:30] <bastardkestrel> yes
[04:31] <bastardkestrel> dsl
[04:31] <bastardkestrel> shit
[04:31] <bastardkestrel> just right click on name
[04:31] <bastardkestrel> wallpaper is not there weird
[04:31] <kkathman> well its dsl and bellsouth apparently
[04:32] <kkathman> bastardkestrel: odd
[04:32] <bastardkestrel> try it
[04:32] <bastardkestrel> do "get new wallpapers"
[04:32] <kkathman> hmm thats where all my wallpapers are
[04:32] <bastardkestrel> i can install them
[04:33] <bastardkestrel> but i can see them in a file
[04:33] <bastardkestrel> one is packed and i need to get to it
[04:33] <bastardkestrel> cant see them
[04:33] <kkathman> what kind of pack?
[04:33] <bastardkestrel> tar
[04:33] <kkathman> whats the suffix?
[04:33] <bastardkestrel> but i can see any of them
[04:34] <bastardkestrel> i can find it
[04:35] <bastardkestrel> nothing
[04:35] <bastardkestrel> i can install wallpapers but cant find out where they are
[04:36] <bastardkestrel> wallpaper folder is empty
[04:36] <bastardkestrel> dont tell me this thing is melting down again
[04:37] <bastardkestrel> last time this happened i had no gnome to log back into
[04:37] <bastardkestrel> show hidden files nothing
[04:38] <freeflying> it's strange that the free space of my home is decreaseing
[04:39] <Hobbsee> freeflying: do you keep sticking stuff in there lol?
[04:39] <freeflying> no
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:40] <bastardkestrel> something is fked up
[04:40] <hydrogen> is it .Xsession-errors?
[04:41] <hydrogen> err
[04:41] <hydrogen> .xsession-errors
[04:42] <hydrogen> 44M     /home/hydrogen/.xsession-errors <--that fills up fast
[04:42] <hydrogen> 942k lines
[04:42] <bastardkestrel> when you right click . do configure desktop, install new wallpapers
[04:42] <bastardkestrel> where are they?
[04:43] <alix> hi guys
[04:43] <alix> i have to ask you a thing
[04:43] <bastardkestrel> ive usedhave always been in kde before, and always been in user
[04:43] <hydrogen> freeflying: du -sh ~/.xsession-errors
[04:44] <alix> i'm using now a fedora core 2 on a laptop of a friend of mine, and i've seen that is terribly faster than my kubuntu release.. is there any simple and obvious motivation?
[04:44] <juliaintenn> is there a kubuntu sys-updates manager that can 'live' in the system tray providing auto-notification? can adept do this?
[04:44] <freeflying> this file add up to 7.3G now
[04:44] <bastardkestrel> /home/thom/.kde/share/wallpapers/
[04:44] <hydrogen> freeflying: yea.. do this
[04:44] <Hobbsee> juliaintenn: not currently, i think they're working on it for the next version
[04:44] <alix> ?\
[04:44] <bastardkestrel> nothing there???
[04:44] <bastardkestrel> bit i installed them here
[04:45] <hydrogen> freeflying: rm ~/.xsession-errors && ln -s /dev/null ~/.xsession-errors
[04:45] <hydrogen> cop out :)
[04:45] <bastardkestrel> just white space
[04:45] <alix> so?
[04:45] <alix> anyone can answer me?
[04:45] <freeflying> but i have not any errors in the log of X
[04:45] <alix> i think that is a quite simple topic
[04:45] <Hobbsee> alix: this is kde?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> what version of kde?
[04:46] <bastardkestrel> alix: i got graphic problems, i was thinking nvidia
[04:46] <hydrogen> freeflying: its its 7.3G it has tons of errors in it
[04:46] <alix> i use kde in kubuntu, i don't know what kind of interface fedora uses
[04:46] <bastardkestrel> but i think its ubuntu
[04:46] <hydrogen> it probably is just taking forever to load
[04:46] <bastardkestrel> or kernel
[04:46] <hydrogen> cause it has to swap and swap and swap
[04:46] <hydrogen> try wc -l ~/.xsession-errors to get an idea of how huge
[04:47] <alix> do  you think that compiling my kernel for kubuntu will improve in a visible way prestations of the machine?
[04:47] <bastardkestrel> help
[04:47] <bastardkestrel> me
[04:47] <bastardkestrel> all i know is i got a red wine stain all over the lcd screen
[04:48] <bastardkestrel> alix: yes
[04:48] <bastardkestrel> alix: if you do it let us know
[04:48] <alix> in an approximative percetage measure?
[04:48] <alix> what do you mean let us know..
[04:48] <alix> tell you if my prestations will improve?
[04:49] <bastardkestrel> alix: test it and come back
[04:49] <alix> my := of my laptop
[04:49] <bastardkestrel> alix: i may just try fedora
[04:49] <alix> sure.. but i'll not test it until christmas
[04:49] <alix> i think that i'll remain in ubuntu
[04:49] <Hobbsee> alix: fedora core 2 was a while ago, so it's likely they are using a different version of kde to the one kubuntu uses
[04:50] <bastardkestrel> alix: you can change fonts and stuff in system settings
[04:50] <bastardkestrel> alix: visually nothings going to change unless you got problems like me
[04:50] <juliaintenn> i told (in kubuntu/kde) firefox to be the default web browser; but links clicked in apps still open konqueror; can i change that?
[04:51] <hydrogen> its in kcontrol
[04:51] <juliaintenn> thnx
[04:52] <bastardkestrel> i removed glx maybe that helps
[04:52] <bastardkestrel> something is making windows dissapear
[04:52] <alix> and what about differences in prestations between gnome and kde?
[04:52] <alix> its very deep the difference?
[04:52] <alix> is it*
[04:53] <bastardkestrel> alix: prestations? whats that?
[04:53] <bastardkestrel> alix: gnome has less options
[04:53] <alix> sorry, like speed..
[04:53] <alix> less options? for example?
[04:53] <bastardkestrel> alix: ubuntu did a better job with fonts
[04:53] <bastardkestrel> alix: speed is same
[04:54] <juliaintenn> hydrogen:  do you know where in kcontrol, i can't seem to find it
[04:54] <bastardkestrel> alix: well kde has many programs
[04:54] <alix> i found kde as the most costumizable system ever
[04:54] <alix> really the same?
[04:54] <bastardkestrel> alix: right , gnome  is simple but works, i mean ubuntu, i like it
[04:54] <alix> i'm using fedora core 2 with firefox.. and it is loaded in zero time
[04:55] <bastardkestrel> zero time?
[04:55] <alix> very little time
[04:55] <alix> you don't have to wait
[04:55] <bastardkestrel> alix: same system?
[04:55] <alix> noo..
[04:55] <alix> but similar
[04:55] <bastardkestrel> alix: what are they
[04:56] <bastardkestrel> alix:  whats different?
[04:56] <bastardkestrel> alix: you can compare 2 systems like that
[04:56] <bastardkestrel> alix: maybe one has no ram
[04:56] <hydrogen> juliaintenn: no :?
[04:56] <alix> how can i obtain system characteristics on command line?
[04:57] <bastardkestrel> cant remember
[04:57] <alix> i usually use kdeinfocenter
[04:57] <bastardkestrel> i did it once
[04:57] <bastardkestrel> what are the make and model of computers?
[04:57] <bastardkestrel> Can someone help me find these files???
[04:57] <bastardkestrel> /home/thom/.kde/share/wallpapers/
[04:58] <bastardkestrel> is empty
[04:58] <bastardkestrel> can someone confirm
[04:58] <Hobbsee> no wallpapers here
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ie, no /wallpapers folder
[04:58] <Hobbsee> what are you looking for?  default wallpapers?
[04:59] <Phily> alix: like cpu info?
[04:59] <bastardkestrel> if you install new wallpaper using the button
[05:00] <bastardkestrel> right click on desktop. configure desktop, get new wallpapers
[05:00] <alix> Phily, yes
[05:00] <Phily> alix: to get info on cpu:  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:00] <bastardkestrel> ok it downloads and i can set it, but where is it
[05:00] <bastardkestrel> i just installed 6 wallpapers but /home/thom/.kde/share/wallpapers/ is empty
[05:01] <Phily> alix: for memory cat /proc/meminfo
[05:01] <bastardkestrel> Phily: is that in irc?
[05:01] <bastardkestrel> Phily: there is a command in irc
[05:01] <Phily> alix: nope that is in console
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: try running a find with the name of the picture
[05:02] <bastardkestrel> i did nothing
[05:02] <Phily> bastardkestrel: some scripts ecits
[05:02] <bastardkestrel> but i see them
[05:02] <bastardkestrel> ecits
[05:02] <bastardkestrel> !cpu
[05:02] <ubotu> bastardkestrel: Not a clue
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: /usr/share/wallpapers
[05:02] <juliaintenn> when i tell the date/time panel to auto-sync time, i get "can't contact pool.ntp.org", but i don't see a place to add or change the time servers that will be polled
[05:02] <Hobbsee> thought they'd be more likely to be there
[05:03] <bastardkestrel> nope
[05:03] <alix> ok this is a fedora 2 core with gnome 2.4GB intel and 350MB ram,  while mine is a centrino 1.6 with kde and 500 MB ram
[05:03] <bastardkestrel> the new wallpaers are not there
[05:03] <alix> it there so much difference?
[05:03] <bastardkestrel> alix: yes big
[05:03] <alix> why
[05:04] <bastardkestrel> centrino is slower right
[05:04] <bastardkestrel> made to save battery
[05:04] <bastardkestrel> and has cpu throttling and stuff
[05:04] <tony> hola, algun usuario de habla hispana?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> !languages
[05:04] <ubotu> I don't know, Hobbsee
[05:04] <Hobbsee> !sp
[05:04] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> um...anyone know what language that is?
[05:05] <bastardkestrel> is the intel faster?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !es
[05:05] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: i recall, yes
[05:05] <bastardkestrel> i mean is the 2.4GB on fedora?
[05:06] <alix> yes
[05:06] <bastardkestrel> alix:  you may change to a faster hard drive on the centrino
[05:06] <Hobbsee> alix: that's a massive difference between the systems - if you stuck kubuntu on the 2.4 GB one, and fedora core 2 on the other, you'd be wondering why fedora was so slow
[05:07] <alix> i have changed for a faster drive few months ago
[05:07] <bastardkestrel> alix:  that will improve performance
[05:07] <alix> it is a 5200 or faster
[05:07] <Hobbsee> alix: otherwise you could try a lightweight display manager, such as fluxbox or xfce
[05:07] <alix> i don't remember
[05:07] <alix> ?\
[05:07] <Hobbsee> !xfce
[05:07] <ubotu> from memory, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[05:07] <bastardkestrel> alix:  I bet fedora wont even work well on the centrino
[05:07] <alix> Hobbsee, what do you mean?
[05:08] <bastardkestrel> alix:  if its a notebook
[05:08] <Hobbsee> alix: see !xfce
[05:08] <Hobbsee> !xfce
[05:08] <Hobbsee> !fluxbox
[05:08] <ubotu> [fluxbox]  forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or the new blackbox, with antialias, better menu, etc.
[05:08] <bastardkestrel> someone do me a small favor
[05:08] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: what is it?
[05:08] <bastardkestrel> and install a wallpaper
[05:08] <bastardkestrel> use the get new wallpapers
[05:08] <bastardkestrel> button
[05:09] <bastardkestrel> thinking its a bug
[05:10] <bastardkestrel> its probably a hidden file
[05:10] <alix> i like a lot kde
[05:10] <alix> i was just wandering why this heavy difference
[05:10] <bastardkestrel> but thats not what all the other kdes do
[05:10] <bastardkestrel> its not kde alix
[05:10] <alix> i know
[05:10] <bastardkestrel> alix: its the processors
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: checking...
[05:10] <alix> tell me another thing
[05:11] <bastardkestrel> i got a centrino right now
[05:11] <alix> how to insert hybernate support in fedora?
[05:11] <bastardkestrel> try #fedors
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: it creates a folder in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[05:11] <alix> mhh
[05:11] <alix> ok
[05:11] <Hobbsee> #fedora , you mean
[05:11] <bastardkestrel> fedora sorry
[05:11] <bastardkestrel> type: /j #fedora
[05:11] <alix> but i've seen that on kubuntu is a feature linked to KDE
[05:11] <alix> isn't it?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> is a feature linked to KDE?
[05:12] <bastardkestrel> in kde you can enable hybernate across distros
[05:12] <Hobbsee> what do you mean?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> with klaptopdemon
[05:13] <bastardkestrel> alix: right click on the little battery monitor
[05:13] <bastardkestrel> alix: if you dont have one acpi is not installed properly
[05:14] <bastardkestrel> alix: in fedora are you using kde or gnome? if kde same thing
[05:14] <tony> hi, please, somebody can help me to put my pci soudcard as defaul (alsa puts the integrated as default)
[05:14] <bastardkestrel> Hobbsee: any luck?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: yes, i replied
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: it creates a folder in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[05:15] <bastardkestrel> oh sorry
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: no problems
[05:16] <Hobbsee> tony: hmmm....yes...i've seen this, and cant remember what the commands are...
[05:16] <bastardkestrel> .kde thats the problem
[05:16] <bastardkestrel> its hidden
[05:16] <bastardkestrel> so there are 2 wallpaper folders
[05:17] <aeon17x> uh, I just installed KUbuntu-core, thought I'd give KDE a try
[05:17] <Hobbsee> tony: ask in #ubuntu - there are more people there
[05:17] <Hobbsee> aeon17x: funn
[05:17] <Hobbsee> *fun
[05:17] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: why 2 wallpaper folders?
[05:17] <tony> thanks hobbsee
[05:17] <fujisan> #ubuntu You're banned from that channel
[05:17] <crimsun> tony: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[05:18] <fujisan> if the month is 1 or 2, then you add 12 to the month and subtract 1 from the year. Then the day is 365*year + year/4 - year/100 + year/400 + date + (153*month+8)/5 where all of the divisions are rounded DOWN to the nearest integer. Do this for both dates, and subtract." (from a fixed date around 2k y ago)
[05:18] <bastardkestrel> found them thanks
[05:18] <bastardkestrel> yes there are 2 folders
[05:19] <Hobbsee> fujisan: and the point of that was?
[05:20] <bastardkestrel> /usr/share/wallpapers/ is where the default ones are
[05:20] <fujisan> oops soz wrong chan
[05:20] <Hobbsee> bastardkestrel: yes
[05:20] <fujisan> was for math
[05:20] <mrmarcel> ^^
[05:20] <aeon17x> I was wondering how to set Firefox as the default browser for everything... I don't like it when I have to open an instance of Konqueror when I already have some Firefox tabs running.
[05:20] <bastardkestrel> the problem with this is if you get a compressed file
[05:21] <tony> thanks crimsum, I can see the two cards. but how I can put the second as default?
[05:21] <crimsun> tony: please paste the output onto a pastebin
[05:21] <tony> 0000:02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
[05:22] <alix> see ya guys
[05:22] <tony> 1 line: "0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 04)"
[05:22] <alix> and thanks for the help
[05:22] <Hobbsee> aeon17x: kcontrol, kde components, component chooser
[05:22] <alix> bastardkestrel, aha... crappy nose!! aha
[05:22] <alix> see ya
[05:22] <tony> 2 line:"0000:02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)"
[05:23] <bastardkestrel> alix: what?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> aeon17x: web browser box, click "open http and https urls in the  following browser" and type mozilla-firefox
[05:23] <aeon17x> Still does it in Konqueror. =(
[05:23] <bastardkestrel> crappy nose?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> aeon17x: then hit apply
[05:23] <bastardkestrel> i got a nice nose
[05:23] <aeon17x> I already did.
[05:24] <bastardkestrel> weirdo!
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[05:24] <aeon17x> Konqueror basically took over Firefox. =/
[05:24] <Hobbsee> and clicking on another tab in kcontrol does what?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> asks you to save?
[05:24] <crimsun> tony: so you want to use snd-cmipci, correct?
[05:25] <crimsun> tony: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:25] <aeon17x> Yes it does.
[05:25] <aeon17x> And I do save it.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:25] <Hobbsee> deifnetly save it!
[05:25] <tony> yes, I want de C-media as default
[05:25] <crimsun> tony: in a Konsole, echo "options snd-intel8x0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:25] <aeon17x> Saving it does nothing.
[05:25] <crimsun> tony: err, sorry
[05:25] <crimsun> tony: in a Konsole, echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:26] <aeon17x> What's even more annoying is that it does that even in GNOME and XFCE.
[05:26] <endo602> how can i end a process in kde?
[05:27] <crimsun> endo602: pkill <process name>
[05:27] <endo602> thanks
[05:28] <crimsun> aeon17x: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[05:28] <aeon17x> it points to konqueror
[05:28] <aeon17x> ah, so I have to point to something else?
[05:28] <tony> crimsum, wath does it? the "cat /proc/asound/modules" shows the same
[05:29] <aeon17x> !restricted
[05:29] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[05:29] <crimsun> aeon17x: in a Konsole, as root, update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox 84 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/x-www-browser.1.gz x-www-browser.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla-firefox.1.gz
[05:29] <crimsun> aeon17x: (if you want it set to firefox)
[05:30] <aeon17x> I just did it
[05:30] <aeon17x> Good thing I remembered how to change my default Java to Sun Java.
[05:30] <aeon17x> thanks crimsun :)
[05:31] <crimsun> tony: in a Konsole, sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[05:31] <crimsun> tony: then log out of KDE and back in
[05:31] <aeon17x> although I wonder, why is your command so long? All I did was sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[05:32] <crimsun> aeon17x: because I used the proper invocation from /var/lib/dpkg/info/firefox.postinst
[05:35] <tony> hi, everybody
[05:36] <aeon17x> y helo thar, tony
[05:36] <tony> are you still there crimsum?
[05:36] <crimsun> tony: yes/
[05:37] <tony> thank you very much
[05:39] <tony> please, crimsum, can you write again the comands? (Obviously I need to learn)
[05:39] <crimsun> tony: which commands? What doesn't work?
[05:40] <dm> I am finding KDE very buggy, anyone else see this ?
[05:40] <tony> yes, all was ok, but, the taskbars was go out, So I closed the session and reboot
[05:42] <endo602> is there a shortcut key for the run command?
[05:43] <tony> so, the windows,and irc was closed. so, i can't view the instructions again
[05:47] <tony> thank you very much crimsum, good bye
[05:47] <stupendo44> I was running adept and it crashed. The list directory is still locked. How can I unlock it?
[05:56] <stupendo44> I fixed it, thanks anyways. just had to rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock from root
[05:59] <endo602> sorry i missed that
[05:59] <endo602> does the run command have a keystroke
[05:59] <endo602> ?
[06:03] <endo602> found it
[06:21] <juliaintenn> dcopserver stopped working properly, though it shows in 'ps -ax'; if i open an admin tool, i am asked for password, but then nothing happens or i get an error box saying dcopserver not functioning
[06:21] <juliaintenn> that wasn't the case earlier this evening
[06:22] <juliaintenn> i can run the gnome based admin utils, just not the kde ones -- i guess only the kde ones use dcop
[06:24] <Ninjew> Hey, does KDE have builtin support for starting ssh-agent on login, or should I manually add that to my .xsession?
[06:47] <dm> How do i make links to drives on the desktop permanent ?
[06:48] <dm> anyone there? lol
[06:49] <stupendo44> I believe there's an option somewhere. let me find it
[06:50] <stupendo44> dm: right-click the desktop > Configure Desktop... > Behavior > Device Icons tab
[06:50] <stupendo44> dm: select whichever you want to show
[06:51] <stupendo44> possibly what you're looking for is Mounted Hard Disk Volume
[06:53] <stupendo44> dm: maybe not... It didn't do anything for me. Try creating a shortcut to the device with Create New > Link To Device
[06:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> somehow my konquerer got screwed up.  the view went from detailed to icon view.  how do i change it back effective for EVERYTHING
[06:53] <dm> stupdendo44 i did, but when i reboot they go bye bye
[06:54] <dm> stupdendo ill try logging out realyl quick
[06:54] <stupendo44> BROKEN_LADDER: try the Settings menu > Save View Profile
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> new windows keep coming up icons
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not working
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> this just happened out of nowhere
[06:57] <stupendo44> change the view mode setting to what you want, then save Kubuntu File Manager profile. it worked for me
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i load the view profile i want.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not using kubuntu.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> using kde with ubuntu
[06:58] <stupendo44> ok...
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i saved the profile
[06:58] <stupendo44> basically the same...
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> the view of the directory i'm in changed.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> but other directories still have icon view.
[06:59] <stupendo44> kubuntu is basically just ubuntu with kde. not exactly, but close enough
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> until i reload the profile
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i'm just running ubuntu.
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i ran kde on slackware, i never said i was running klackware. ;)
[07:00] <stupendo44> you might want to try #kde instead
[07:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my god
[07:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> icon view is so aweful.
[07:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm stuck
[07:00] <stupendo44> it sounds like it's not working right according to what you're saying
[07:00] <stupendo44> maybe something with permissions...? wild guess there
[07:02] <stupendo44> dm: what's the status?
[07:03] <dm> stupendo44 logging out now had to use the facilities
[07:03] <stupendo44> lol
[07:08] <dm> stupdendo44 they are still up but it didnt do any other setting i had changed, so it didnt work , just loaded my session
[07:10] <humbolt> why can I use alsa with multible sound sources simultanously using gstreamer alsasink but not via "aoss skype" at the same time?
[07:11] <dm> anyone firgure out how to make multimedia keys to work in KDE, play pause next previous, sound up down and mute ?
[07:16] <dm> anyone firgure out how to make multimedia keys to work in KDE, play pause next previous, sound up down and mute ?
[07:16] <el-stupido> hey guys
[07:18] <el-stupido> i'm trying to install drivers for my Canon S200SPx printer.. any suggestions where i can get those?
[07:19] <stupendo44> dm: you mean for amarok?
[07:20] <stupendo44> el-stupido: they're not in kubuntu?
[07:20] <stupendo44> el-stupido: did you check the canon website?
[07:20] <el-stupido> stupendo44: i did they dont have a driver for Linux .. only Macs and Winblows
[07:21] <stupendo44> what's winblows? is that a linux dist?
[07:21] <stupendo44> j/k
[07:21] <el-stupido> stupendo44: winblows=windows lol
[07:21] <el-stupido> ahh ok
[07:21] <el-stupido> lol
[07:22] <torz> hi, I'm having problems trying to mount a hard disk borrowed from my friend which is ntfs.
[07:22] <torz> I'm not even sure BIOS knows that the disk is there.
[07:22] <torz> sudo mount /dev/hda(whatever) /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[07:22] <torz> won't work.
[07:22] <stupendo44> torz: if the BIOS doesn't see it, then linux isn't going to be able to do anything
[07:22] <stupendo44> check the bios first
[07:22] <stupendo44> see if it's recognized
[07:23] <stupendo44> make sure the jumpers are right
[07:23] <torz> stupendo44: its set to cable select I think.
[07:23] <torz> oh and does it matter which IDE cable I plug it into?
[07:23] <torz> I've got it plugged into IDE2
[07:23] <stupendo44> el-stupido: try adept. see if anything canon is in there. don't get too specific
[07:24] <el-stupido> stupendo44: tried.. got nothing related
[07:24] <stupendo44> torz: yes, it matters. It will work on either cable, but you need jumpers set correctly depending on what else is connected to that cable
[07:24] <stupendo44> what else is connected to the cable you have this ntfs drive connected to?
[07:24] <torz> stupendo44: CD burner
[07:24] <torz> IDE1 is just the main drive.
[07:25] <stupendo44> ok, then set the cd burner to master, and set the hard drive to slave
[07:25] <el-stupido> stupendo44: also.. when i try to install the printer thru Settings i dont get the option of Add Printer even in Admin mode *duh*
[07:25] <stupendo44> make sure the cd burner is at the end of the cable, and the hard drive in the middle
[07:25] <torz> all this in BIOS eh?
[07:25] <dm> stupendo44 yes but my multimedia keys dont work for ANYTHING in KDE, do you know a fix?
[07:25] <torz> ok
[07:25] <dm> stupendo but they work in gnome :(
[07:25] <el-stupido> stupendo44: only gives me add pseudo printer option
[07:25] <torz> well I guess I better reboot then.
[07:26] <stupendo44> el-stupido: maybe you don't have something printer related installed. I went to printer manager and there's a canon s200 in there. that's as specific as it gets, but it should work
[07:26] <el-stupido> stupendo44: printer manager?
[07:27] <stupendo44> menu > utilities > printing manager
[07:28] <stupendo44> dm: gnome is different... (worse...) I'm not sure why the icons aren't showing up. Try asking in #kde. I'm sure it's a popular question.
[07:28] <el-stupido> stupendo44: i'm there and i dont see the printer at all :/
[07:28] <stupendo44> only when you go to add printer
[07:29] <stupendo44> el-stupido: if you click add , you should see Add Printer/Class and Add Special(pseudo) Printer
[07:29] <stupendo44> right?
[07:29] <dm> stupendo44 any idea about Multimedia keys
[07:29] <stratovarius> giorno
[07:29] <el-stupido> stupendo44: right but even in Admin mode the "Add Printer Class" Tab isnt available
[07:30] <stupendo44> dm: probably requires a special driver or something. I'm not sure if stratovarius just answered your question
[07:30] <catmeister> Hello. How is everyone tonight?
[07:30] <stupendo44> you shouldn't need admin. I didn't need a password
[07:30] <stupendo44> tab?
[07:30] <el-stupido> stupendo44: not tab.. whatever button
[07:30] <stupendo44> el-stupido: are you on breezy?
[07:30] <el-stupido> stupendo44: yeah
[07:31] <stupendo44> el-stupido: ok, threw me off for a second there
[07:31] <dm> stratovarius was that to me?
[07:31] <el-stupido> stupendo44: lol i can do that <---------newb here
[07:31] <catmeister> Im on a 5.04 install with all packages updated to most current version.
[07:31] <stupendo44> el-stupido: :)
[07:32] <el-stupido> stupendo44: it simply wont let me install the darn printer
[07:32] <stupendo44> 5.04 != most current  :))
[07:32] <el-stupido> lol
[07:32] <el-stupido> i thought 5.1 was most current
[07:32] <stupendo44> el-stupido: that's an interesting situation you've got there. I'm not sure why it's not showing add printer. It's not even just greyed out or something?
[07:33] <endo602> anyone alive
[07:33] <catmeister> 5.1=most current install base. Ive upgraded all packages to most current version. Did not download 5.1 for upgrade install.
[07:33] <stupendo44> el-stupido: technically it's 5.10    has to do with the month released
[07:33] <el-stupido> stupendo44: its there.... but greyed out
[07:33] <endo602> i cant seem to get into my kde
[07:33] <endo602> desktop
[07:33] <endo602> anymore
[07:34] <catmeister> But, I keep having some problems with amarok that I didnt have on Slackware source install.
[07:34] <el-stupido> stupendo44: so i thought maybe i need admin mode for that.. but even giving the passwd wont help is there a command line way to go about this?
[07:34] <catmeister> stupido, what are you trying to do?
[07:34] <stupendo44> el-stupido: I'm sorry, I'm not that advanced
[07:34] <el-stupido> stupendo44: ok thanx
[07:35] <endo602> I was updating some packages and now i cannot get into x
[07:35] <stupendo44> catmeister: I haven't seen you describe your issue. Did I miss it?
[07:35] <catmeister> I havent described it yet.
[07:35] <dm> im so close to switching back to gnome
[07:36] <stupendo44> dm: don't...!!!
[07:36] <catmeister> Gnome really doesnt have all the features kde does.
[07:36] <dm> stupendo44 why, something so simple as multimedia keys just dont work out of the box, its stupid and im not that advanced to fix them manually
[07:36] <stupendo44> dm: let me do a quick search, hold one
[07:36] <stupendo44> *hold on
[07:37] <endo602> can someone please help me?
[07:37] <catmeister> dm, you set that in the kde control panel under regional settings >> keyboard layout..
[07:37] <frank_b> kubuntu's terminal comes with a pretty bad font... any way to change it?
[07:37] <dm> catmeiser lemme try
[07:38] <catmeister> endo, what error do you recieve. Im new to Kubuntu, but Ive been running Linux since 97.
[07:38] <thehil> Can someone help me with English ?
[07:38] <endo602> cat i dont recieve an error
[07:38] <endo602> just kicks me to the terminal
[07:38] <endo602> the unix prompt
[07:38] <thehil> endo602, what problem?
[07:38] <stupendo44> frank_b: do some looking around a little bit. very easy to change. if you still can't find it I'll help you.
[07:39] <endo602> i cant get into m kde desktop
[07:39] <torz> stupendo44: okie dokie, it is now the channel1 master.
[07:39] <frank_b> stupendo44: ok then. thank you
[07:39] <stupendo44> torz: is it visible in the bios?
[07:39] <thehil> endo602, rename ~/,kde and login again. Perhaps some KDE settings are incorrect
[07:39] <endo602> i tried to reintsall a dist-upgrade
[07:39] <frank_b> stupendo44: (I did but didn't find any option. I'll look better then. thanks)
[07:39] <torz> yep in CMOS settings it tells me that the master of channel 1 is the disk
[07:40] <catmeister> endo, take a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:40] <catmeister> You may have to edit it manually.
[07:40] <torz> stupendo44: how can I tell which /deb/hda* the drive is?
[07:40] <torz>  /dev
[07:40] <torz> I mean
[07:40] <endo602> thehil when i do that the terminal hangs
[07:40] <endo602> should i restart now?
[07:41] <catmeister> Endo, have you restarted since the upgrade?
[07:41] <endo602> yes
[07:41] <endo602> that is when this bad business started to happen
[07:41] <stupendo44> torz: ok, then try mounting it. do you know what your cd burner is under /dev?
[07:42] <dm> catmeister do i have to logout for settings to take effect , because i changed it to my keyboard but they arent working ( ony  a dell laptop )
[07:42] <torz> stupendo44: actually I dont need the cd burner for this operation so I plugged it out.
[07:42] <torz> this is only a once off thing you see, copying files.
[07:43] <catmeister> No, you have to what you want the keys to do in the keyboard shortcut tab.
[07:43] <endo602> thehil i am restating onw
[07:44] <catmeister> stupendo, the problem with amarok that Im conserned about is that musicbrainz plugin is not working.
[07:44] <stupendo44> torz: ok, create a directory to mount the drive in, like /ntfs or something
[07:44] <endo602> kicks me right to the textual login
[07:44] <endo602> damn this
[07:45] <torz> stupendo44: yep, I've got /media/windows for that
[07:45] <stupendo44> torz: then run 'sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /media/windows'
[07:45] <stupendo44> torz: or 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /media/windows'
[07:45] <torz> hdd1 doesnt exist :~(
[07:45] <stupendo44> most of the time it will detect it automatically
[07:45] <stupendo44> do you know which device it is?
[07:46] <stupendo44> I can't remember right now how to check
[07:46] <catmeister> endo, have you tried creating a .xinitrc file?
[07:46] <endo602> nah
[07:46] <torz> nope I dont know which one :~(, looking at /dev atm.
[07:46] <endo602> how do i do that
[07:46] <stupendo44> try a 'mount' to see what it is currently. then the new hard drive should be one letter above your current drive
[07:46] <torz> interesting theres cd drive but there are - hdc, and hdc1
[07:48] <endo602> catmeister how do i create that
[07:48] <catmeister> Endo, in your home directory create a text called .xinitrc  All it has to contain is [exec kdestop]  without the brackets.
[07:49] <stupendo44> too bad dm left
[07:49] <catmeister> I posted the next step just after he left.
[07:49] <catmeister> stupendo, any idea on how to get musicbrainz working?
[07:50] <catmeister> It just states the song could not be found immediately.
[07:51] <stupendo44> catmeister: sry, not familiar with musicbrainz. is it a player, a plugin, what?
[07:52] <endo602> cat
[07:52] <stupendo44> torz: I pmed you
[07:52] <endo602> then i restart?
[07:52] <aftertaf> morning :)
[07:52] <catmeister> no, just startx or login.
[07:53] <catmeister> Musicbrainz is an amarok plugin that automaticly fills in the id3 tag info. It does a hash sum and then downloads the info.
[07:54] <catmeister> It worked just fine under Slackware. But I installed every amarok component from source.
[07:56] <endo602> ok
[07:56] <catmeister> Endo, did you get in?
[07:57] <endo602> nope
[07:57] <endo602> i got some errors
[07:57] <catmeister> what errors?
[07:57] <endo602> font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[07:58] <catmeister> Thats a new one to me. The only thing  I was aware used .pcf extension is the Cisco VPN client.
[07:58] <endo602> skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No syombals found
[07:58] <catmeister> endo, what video card do you have?
[07:59] <endo602> intel graphic
[07:59] <catmeister> Hmmm.....
[08:00] <catmeister> You need to rm -f .xinitrc
[08:00] <catmeister> take a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You might have to reset it up.
[08:01] <catmeister> Im not at all used to logging in through kdm. I always booted into console under every other distro Ive tried.
[08:04] <catmeister> Endo, just a sec. I need to register my nick.
[08:10] <catmeister> Endo, Im not still being blocked from pms am I?
[08:10] <stupendo55> sorry about that. azureus decided to take over for a while there...
[08:10] <stupendo55> now my stupendo44 nick is locked in
[08:11] <stupendo44> or not
[08:12] <endo602> stupendo44 is there a way to reinstall the desktop/?
[08:12] <stupendo44> kde is the desktop
[08:12] <endo602> yeah
[08:13] <endo602> is there a way to reinstall it
[08:13] <stupendo44> I'm pretty sure you can rename some .kde directory to reset the settings, but I don't know. you could also just use synaptic to reinstall kde
[08:14] <aftertaf> endo602:  kde, kde-base, etc..
[08:14] <stupendo44> I don't know what kind of trouble you would have with apt trying to do it while it's running
[08:14] <stupendo44> I mean adept
[08:14] <stupendo44> at least synaptic has a reinstall option
[08:14] <endo602> aftertaf kde
[08:14] <aftertaf> stupendo44:  theyre all frontends for apt anyway.
[08:15] <aftertaf> endo602:  why dyou wanna do that?
[08:15] <stupendo44> there's a main package... but still, I don't know if the dependents will matter
[08:15] <endo602> because i cant get into the kde
[08:15] <stupendo44> aftertaf: I know that, but some have different features
[08:15] <endo602> when i load up the machine
[08:15] <aftertaf> endo602:  what is the error.....
[08:15] <endo602> i get a bunch
[08:15] <endo602> skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No syombals found
[08:15] <endo602> a couple of those
[08:16] <endo602> font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[08:16] <endo602> some of those
[08:16] <aftertaf> stupendo44:  you can do everything in apt that you can in synaptic if you know the syntax
[08:16] <aftertaf> endo602:  is it linked to kde for sure?
[08:16] <stupendo44> aftertaf: you're right
[08:16] <endo602> yes
[08:16] <aftertaf> endo602:  try installing another WM to see if your xsession opens ok.
[08:16] <stupendo44> looks more linked to x in general of just kdm
[08:16] <endo602> WM?
[08:16] <stupendo44> window manager
[08:17] <aftertaf> yup.
[08:17] <stupendo44> *or
[08:17] <aftertaf> !e17
[08:17] <endo602> can you walk me through it
[08:17] <endo602> ?
[08:17] <aftertaf> endo602:  follow that: http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[08:17] <aftertaf> endo602:  yep, if you follow that link i can... ;)
[08:18] <endo602> ok
[08:20] <endo602> what will enlightnement do?
[08:21] <catmeister> Enlightenment is just another window manager like gnome, icewm, kde, windowmaker, etc.
[08:21] <stupendo44> aftertaf: why don't you use gnome with him. wouldn't it be easier?
[08:23] <aftertaf> e is small and funky.
[08:23] <aftertaf> gnome creates its own probs, and i dont use it. E17 i do use.... :)
[08:24] <stupendo44> aftertaf: that makes sense
[08:24] <aftertaf> endo602:  its a WM that is damn fine and funky :)
[08:24] <endo602> ok
[08:25] <aftertaf> you following the link ok? its pretty straightforward.
[08:25] <catmeister> I used Enlightenment back in the day.
[08:25] <catmeister> On Slack.
[08:26] <aftertaf> hehe :) e17 is really looking good.
[08:26] <stupendo44> ok, gtgtbn
[08:27] <stupendo44> lnfm
[08:27] <aftertaf> lol bonne nuit then
[08:27] <endo602> aftertaf i know its a kde error
[08:28] <endo602> i tried to downgrade the libarts
[08:28] <endo602> and then when i restarted kde wouldnt come back up
[08:29] <catmeister> Actually, I wish more work was being done on ice-wm.
[08:29] <aftertaf> endo602:  erf ok...   you on which version of kde?
[08:29] <endo602> 3,5 beta2
[08:30] <aftertaf> ah ok. cant you undo your downgrade?
[08:31] <aftertaf> where is beta 2 in the repositories?
[08:33] <endo602> yeah
[08:33] <endo602> that is where it is
[08:35] <aftertaf> ahh....
[08:35] <aftertaf> you could remove all of kde and reinstall... you shouldnt have to download much, its already on the drive...
[08:35] <aftertaf> or you could search in /var/cache/apt/archives and dpkg -i the arts packages that are busted.
[08:37] <catmeister> Hey, Im noticing alot more
[08:37] <catmeister> Debian based distros. What up with that?
[08:37] <aftertaf> debian is cool, is what ;)
[08:39] <catmeister> This is the second debian based distro Ive used, well 3rd if you count knoppix. But, I just used that for demoing Linux. Hated Linspire. Yuck.
[08:40] <catmeister> Kubuntu is really nice for newbies, but I think it requires as much work to be functional as Slackware did. But on the opposite frame of the sprectum.
[08:41] <kaveh> catmeister: what is the first?
[08:41] <catmeister> The first was Linspire.
[08:41] <kaveh> which is better ktorrent or qtorrent? just for a quick install, i know nothing beats azureus
[08:42] <kaveh> also has anyone ever heard of Turkix?
[08:42] <catmeister> Kaveh, if you have azureus, use i.
[08:42] <catmeister> *it
[08:42] <kaveh> i only have it on my windows partition and i don't feel like going through the hoops to install it right now
[08:43] <kaveh> i have to package up jre 1.5 from sun, etc
[08:43] <kaveh> just a quick install, qtorrent or ktorrent?
[08:43] <catmeister> Im using bittorent-gui
[08:43] <kaveh> it seems that the Turkix boys have a Mac OS X style expose feature
[08:43] <kaveh> anyone seen an app that can do this under KDE?
[08:44] <kaveh> catmeister: is bt-gui KDE naitive?
[08:44] <catmeister> No, its generic x app.
[08:44] <catmeister> Its just a little front end.
[08:44] <kaveh> also does anyone know how to look up the deps of a package? i installed one from Adept and it installed like 14 deps, but i want to go back and get rid of them all
[08:45] <catmeister> I havent put Azareus on this machine yet, but its what I use on every other one.
[08:45] <kaveh> any logs i can check or something?
[08:45] <kaveh> catmeister: as do i but i think i might try ktorrent just so i can grab a Turkix livecd
[08:47] <kaveh> nevermind, the torrent no longer exists :-(
[08:47] <catmeister> Kaveh, let me see if I can find the torrent.
[08:48] <kaveh> ok i have to grab a glass of water, brb
[08:49] <kaveh> water is by far the best thing on this planet
[08:49] <kaveh> so how do i see a list of packages recently installed?
[08:50] <aftertaf> you ls /var/cache/apt/archives and look by date ;)
[08:50] <kaveh> nice, thanks
[08:50] <aftertaf> hehe ;)
[08:53] <catmeister> well, Im going to bed.
[08:55] <kaveh> aftertaf: the dates don't reflect when i downloaded them
[08:56] <kaveh> is there another way?
[08:57] <kaveh> how about checking specific dependancies of a package?
[08:59] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, you here ?
[09:01] <dm> i somehow changed the color of the fonts on my desktop from white to black, how do i change it back?
[09:06] <_cs> hm
[09:07] <_cs> now why doesn't sharpconstruct work on kubuntu :(
[09:07] <aftertaf> yup... CaiN_SA :)
[09:07] <aftertaf> kavahh tht sux. just a clever idea that ended up useless then...
[09:07] <aftertaf> dm. system settings> appearance
[09:10] <dm> aftertaf  i cant find it in here
[09:10] <dm> aftertaf there*
[09:12] <dm> aftertaf  do you know specifically where it is
[09:13] <aftertaf> add the system settings thig to a panel, you'll have direct access to it that way.
[09:21] <bjv> crap, i somehow turned off filemangler in konqueror
[09:21] <bjv> now it starts up in   "konqueror - web"
[09:21] <bjv> and i have no options! including the option to switch back to the filemangler profile?
[09:22] <bjv> options have been hidden, a catch 22? :(
[09:24] <aftertaf> bjv:  run in command line with -profile filemanager
[09:27] <bjv> aftertaf: yeah, i saw the    --profile       in man konqueror
[09:27] <bjv> but i just got "error -malformed URL" when i tried it
[09:27] <bjv> even though i used the double-
[09:27] <bjv> :\
[09:27] <aftertaf> hang on a sec
[09:27] <aftertaf> my bad...
[09:27] <aftertaf> --profile filemanagement
[09:28] <bjv> nm, i got it with an extra valid url
[09:28] <bjv>  konqueror --profile filemangler about:local
[09:28] <bjv> thx though, now i just need to figgure out how i de-configured my system. :\
[09:29] <spiral> hi
[09:29] <bjv> kon
[09:36] <aftertaf> how do you get rid of kde 3.5 beta 2 and return it to stable?
[09:37] <raphink> aftertaf: deinstall all packages numbered 3.4.92
[09:37] <raphink> remove the sources in sources.list
[09:38] <raphink> and install these packages again
[09:38] <aftertaf> raphink:  its a separate sources list?
[09:38] <raphink> ?
[09:38] <aftertaf> i mean, deb archinve? :)
[09:38] <raphink> sure
[09:38] <aftertaf> ok.
[09:38] <raphink> you had to add a source
[09:38] <raphink> in order to install kde 3.5
[09:38] <aftertaf> i didnt, not me that has a screwed system.
[09:38] <aftertaf> semne im trying to help.
[09:38] <raphink> oh ok
[09:39] <aftertaf> he's busted his arts and now cant boot X
[09:39] <raphink> ben si c'est un noob tu lui diras que `beta' a veut dire `pas pour toi'
[09:39] <raphink> tant qu'il sait pas maitriser
[09:39] <raphink> arts has a big bug in kde 3.5
[09:39] <raphink> and it's maybe the most famous bug in kde 3.5 beta2
[09:40] <raphink> so he should have known
[09:40] <aftertaf> he tried downgrading and not c bais de chez dans le cul quoi....
[09:40] <aftertaf> now.
[09:40] <raphink> non
[09:40] <raphink> moi j'ai downgrad arts et a marche bien
[09:40] <raphink> la majorit des types sous beta2 ont downgrad arts
[09:40] <aftertaf> raphink:  il a des erreurs de preocessing avec dpkg.
[09:41] <raphink> comme je l'ai dit aftertaf quand on est noob on commence par apprendre  se servir du systme
[09:41] <raphink> avnat de s'amuser avec des betas
[09:41] <aftertaf> tout a fait.... moi chwi sur beta1 et content de l'etre.
[09:41] <raphink> downgrader arts a prend 5 minutes
[09:41] <raphink> et a ne pose aucun problme
[09:41] <Futal> on est bien sur le chan international ou j'ai merd  la connexion ?
[09:41] <raphink> oui Futal
[09:41] <raphink> mais les internationaux ils pioncent
[09:41] <raphink> :p
[09:41] <aftertaf> lol. or mdr
[09:41] <Futal> ok, merci
[09:42] <aftertaf> raphink:  bah ou y a que nous. ;)
[09:42] <raphink> dsol de te dcevoir Futal , aftertaf et moi ne sommes de belles sudoises comme tu le pensais
[09:42] <aftertaf> :)
[09:42] <Futal> ouais, enfin je suis en Finlande donc toute l'europe devrait tre rveill puisque c'est le pays le plus  l'est
[09:42] <raphink> oui
[09:42] <raphink> en thorie
[09:43] <Futal> euh, dsol, c'est le contraire
[09:43] <aftertaf> alors pour downgrader arts c quoi le processus?
[09:43] <Futal> mais a change rien, il est assez tard
[09:43] <raphink> aftertaf: processus barbare
[09:43] <aftertaf> hehe je connais un peu :)
[09:44] <aftertaf> 3 ans de debian qui plante en sid
[09:44] <raphink> sudo dpkg -r --force-all libarts1c2 arts
[09:44] <raphink> ensuite tu enlves (ou tu commentes) les lignes de kde 3.5beta2 dans /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:44] <raphink> puis
[09:44] <raphink> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:44] <raphink> et voil
[09:44] <aftertaf> ok.
[09:44] <aftertaf> putain c dur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:44] <aftertaf> rofl
[09:44] <raphink> et tu vites de faire un sudo apt-get upgrade derrire
[09:44] <kairu0> c'est un forum franais depuis quand?
[09:45] <raphink> ah j'ai oubli le sudo apt-get update
[09:45] <raphink> mais c'tait vident
[09:45] <aftertaf> apres modif des sources.list ;)
[09:45] <raphink> kairu0: depuis que seuls les franais sont rveills
[09:45] <aftertaf> kairu0:  hehe
[09:45] <raphink> if any non-french-speaking people wants to take part in the talk, I'm sure they'll let us know
[09:45] <kairu0> hahaha
[09:46] <kairu0> raphink: je te vois
[09:46] <raphink> heu
[09:46] <raphink> l'immeuble d'en face est dsert
[09:46] <aftertaf> raphink:  c clair... vs etes ou vous ?
[09:46] <raphink> alors a m'tonnerais :p
[09:46] <raphink> aftertaf: Poitiers
[09:46] <aftertaf> k..   et ca va la bas?
[09:46] <raphink> heu
[09:47] <raphink> ben oui a va
[09:47] <raphink> il fait beau et chaud
[09:47] <aftertaf> suis a Rouen, mais je cherche un new taff et y a rien ici
[09:47] <raphink> parfois chaud et beau ausis
[09:47] <raphink> ah :(
[09:47] <raphink> moi il faut que je postule
[09:47] <raphink> pour un poste de prof
[09:47] <raphink> faut que je fasse ma lettre
[09:47] <raphink> j'ai la flemme
[09:47] <aftertaf> lol.
[09:47] <raphink> wb CaiN_SA
[09:47] <aftertaf> j'ai failli etre formateur micromou, mais pas pris, pas l'esprit pedagogique
[09:48] <aftertaf> re hi CaiN_SA
[09:48] <raphink> hehe
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> ta
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> lol
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, you going to monteal ?
[09:48] <raphink> aftertaf: je bosse depuis 9 mois sur un projet de cration de cabinet de pdagogie
[09:48] <raphink> ;)
[09:48] <raphink> why that question CaiN_SA ?
[09:48] <CaiN_SA> just wondering
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> lol
[09:49] <Futal> rah, et moi qui me lve de bonne heure pour le ubuntu-bug-day et tout le monde pionce ferme sur #ubuntu-bugs
[09:49] <aftertaf> nope.... though did think once about it. its too cold there...
[09:49] <raphink> CaiN_SA: not everybody lives in America and not Quebec is not the only french-speaking place in the world
[09:49] <aftertaf> loool
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> raphink, erm
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> i live in south africa
[09:49] <raphink> nice :)
[09:49] <CaiN_SA> company sending me there
[09:49] <raphink> oh ok
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> raphink, :)
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> i work for impilinux
[09:50] <raphink> at least it makes sense to be using ubuntu when you live in SA
[09:50] <raphink> :)
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> i dont
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> i use impi ;p
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> ubuntu powered
[09:50] <raphink> yes
[09:50] <raphink> I heard Mark had bought impi
[09:50] <aftertaf> yup.
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> yup
[09:51] <raphink> although I've never used it
[09:51] <CaiN_SA> dont use the old impi
[09:51] <CaiN_SA> EVER
[09:51] <raphink> lol
[09:51] <CaiN_SA> wait for new one to come out
[09:51] <raphink> well impi is a local distro isn't it?
[09:51] <CaiN_SA> yeah
[09:51] <raphink> then I don't see why I would use it
[09:51] <raphink> my language is french
[09:51] <CaiN_SA> lol
[09:51] <CaiN_SA> african people use french
[09:52] <raphink> in SA?
[09:52] <CaiN_SA> 3/4 of africa speaks french
[09:52] <aftertaf> carrment :)
[09:52] <CaiN_SA> thus
[09:52] <raphink> well they often speak a french I don't understand
[09:52] <raphink> ;)
[09:52] <aftertaf> mission civilisatrice
[09:52] <CaiN_SA> lol dude
[09:52] <CaiN_SA> they use standard french for kde etc
[09:52] <raphink> :)
[09:52] <Futal> well, just because you are not use to
[09:52] <raphink> do many africans use linux?
[09:52] <CaiN_SA> its not just a SA distro
[09:52] <CaiN_SA> its only made in sa
[09:53] <CaiN_SA> erm raphink thats why we here
[09:53] <Futal> but from finland, african people speak really clearly
[09:53] <CaiN_SA> to make many use it
[09:53] <raphink> Futal: ben a la tl ils sous-titrent quand mme quand ils interview des africains
[09:53] <raphink> mhm
[09:53] <Futal> raphink: pour les franais de france
[09:53] <raphink> oui
[09:53] <raphink> pour eux c'est trs clair je n'en doute pas
[09:53] <Futal> d'ici, je comprends mme l'italien
[09:53] <raphink> lol
[09:54] <raphink> c'est l'effet contraste
[09:54] <raphink> tu vas vivre au Japon
[09:54] <raphink> tu comprends toutes les langues europennes aprs
[09:54] <Futal> non, la finlande me suffit
[09:54] <raphink> lol
[09:54] <Futal> No niin
[09:54] <raphink> you speak finnish Futal ?
[09:54] <Futal> no
[09:55] <Futal> it means yes
[09:55] <raphink> Tolkien loved finnish
[09:55] <Futal> no niin = yes indeed
[09:55] <raphink> he based the elvish languages on finnish mostly
[09:56] <raphink> that makes things easier
[09:56] <raphink> when you say `no' for 'yes'
[09:56] <Futal> raphink: well, according the fact finnish is only related to estonian, it is like it comes from another planet
[09:56] <raphink> must be a language invented by women
[09:57] <raphink> so they can say `no' and clearly mean `yes'
[09:57] <Futal> well, not really, only the fact that no word comes from latin or greek
[09:57] <raphink> yes
[09:57] <raphink> hungarian is from the same family, too
[09:57] <raphink> if I'm not wrong
[09:57] <raphink> hungarian, estonian and finnish
[09:57] <Futal> you're write
[09:57] <Futal> right ;)
[09:58] <raphink> les langues finno-ougriennes
[09:58] <raphink> :)
[09:58] <Futal> ouais, mais la ressemblance ?
[09:58] <raphink> heu la ressemblance c'est le f
[09:58] <raphink> ;)
[09:58] <raphink> je suis passionn de langues, mais je n'ai pas encore touch  celles-l
[09:58] <raphink> pas eu l'occasion encore
[09:59] <raphink> enfin maintenant je sais que `no niin' veut dire `oui bien sr'
[09:59] <raphink> je l'ajoute  mon `suomi'
[09:59] <raphink> hop dans la case ;)
[10:01] <Futal> raphink: il me semble que le roumain est une langue latin, je crois que le hongrois ressemble autant au finnois que le roumain au franais
[10:01] <raphink> heu
[10:01] <raphink> le roumain est une langue latine avec 1/3 de vocabulaire slave
[10:02] <raphink> ceci dit les italiens comprennent trs bien les roumains
[10:02] <raphink> et vice versa
[10:02] <Futal> ok
[10:02] <raphink> l'accentuation est la mme
[10:02] <raphink> mais par exemple
[10:02] <raphink> en roumain
[10:02] <raphink> `oui' se dit `da'
[10:02] <raphink> comme en russe
[10:02] <Futal> good to know
[10:02] <raphink> alors dj a fait bizarre comme langue latine ;)
[10:03] <raphink> wb Millox
[10:03] <raphink> je rflchis sur ta remarque d'il y a quelques minutes Futal
[10:04] <Futal> laquelle ?
[10:04] <raphink> un chan international, c'est l o on parle toutes les langues en mme tems, non?
[10:04] <raphink> un chan o on parle anglais amricain
[10:04] <raphink> c'est un chan amricain
[10:04] <raphink> o les trangers s'invitent
[10:04] <raphink> ;)
[10:04] <Futal> bonne df, en tout cas a correspond au chan
[10:04] <raphink> bah voil ;)
[10:05] <Futal> tu veux des exemples de finnois pour faire plus international ?
[10:05] <raphink> vas y
[10:05] <raphink> :)
[10:05] <dm> isnt there a french channel for you guy
[10:05] <dm> s
[10:05] <Futal> Suomessa pinvastoin kuin Ranskassa, on mahdollista helposti nhd Ruotsi-Venj jkiekkopeli.
[10:05] <raphink> dm we were just thinking about the fact that this is an international channel
[10:06] <Futal> dm: we just said it is a international channel, so we speak every language
[10:06] <Futal> s
[10:06] <raphink> if we only speak american english
[10:06] <raphink> then no one can pretend it's an international chan
[10:06] <raphink> it's just an american one
[10:06] <raphink> where everybody comes
[10:06] <dm> American english is the same as every other English lol.
[10:06] <raphink> so if we're only to speak english, it should be named #kubuntu-en
[10:06] <raphink> no it's not dm
[10:07] <dm> not only americans speak english
[10:07] <raphink> many americans I know don't understand british people
[10:07] <dm> Its the same core language
[10:07] <raphink> sure
[10:07] <dm> slang is a different story, accents do not help either.
[10:07] <raphink> taht's not the point
[10:08] <raphink> the point is that it's quite funny to call a place 'international' if only english is spoken
[10:08] <dm> if an englishman typed english in this channel it would be the same as if an american were too
[10:08] <Futal> I speak english everyday and everybody understand everybody except when they are british or american
[10:08] <raphink> Futal: yes lol
[10:08] <Futal> anyway they are not so many outside their country
[10:08] <raphink> sentences like : I shall take a coach to drive back to my flat
[10:08] <raphink> are not understood by many americans
[10:09] <dm> i understand what that says
[10:09] <raphink> good for you dm
[10:09] <raphink> I've met many americans who had no idea what `coach' or `flat' meant
[10:09] <dm> well not everyone is a retard :)
[10:09] <raphink> I don't say that
[10:09] <dm> i do though , not saying you are
[10:09] <raphink> many french people don't understand canadian people
[10:09] <raphink> when they speak french
[10:10] <raphink> it's just not the same vocabulary
[10:10] <dm> No one understands canadians :LOL
[10:10] <raphink> not even talking about the accent
[10:10] <Futal> dm: u'r right :)
[10:10] <raphink> lol
[10:11] <raphink> on sunday, I was at a conference by a canadian woman
[10:11] <dm> I have to talk to canadians over the phone every now and then where i work, and man they are the most stubborn of persons
[10:11] <raphink> she made a lot of efforts in the beginning
[10:11] <raphink> to speak metropolitan french
[10:11] <raphink> but in the end she couldn't prevent canadian french words from popping out from time to time
[10:11] <raphink> so it began harder to understand
[10:12] <raphink> became
[10:12] <raphink> I've got to wake up!
[10:13] <Futal> don't worry, everybody understands except those who don't get coach ;)
[10:13] <dm> hehe you're doing ok, i see that english isnt your native tongue :P
[10:13] <raphink> lol
[10:13] <dm> you are french correct?
[10:13] <raphink> yep
[10:13] <Futal> yep
[10:14] <dm> I have a dumb question then?
[10:14] <Futal> go ahead
[10:14] <raphink> go on
[10:14] <dm> Why do french hate americans so much
[10:14] <raphink> why do americans think french hate them so much?
[10:14] <raphink> lol
[10:14] <Futal> understandfrance.org
[10:14] <raphink> I think most french hate the way the US govt acts in the world
[10:14] <dm> theres a website hehe
[10:15] <raphink> not american citizens really
[10:15] <raphink> I have many american friends
[10:15] <dm> Well that makes two of us raphink, i hate our government
[10:15] <raphink> but I still can't accept the way the US act in the world
[10:15] <raphink> sure dm
[10:15] <raphink> the big difference
[10:15] <Futal> quite well explained, at least why american people think french people hate them
[10:15] <raphink> is taht I don't like my govt either
[10:15] <raphink> lol
[10:15] <raphink> French people don't like the US govt
[10:15] <raphink> but they also dislike their own govt
[10:16] <raphink> so that's very differnt a situation
[10:16] <Futal> exact
[10:16] <dm> i think our leaders are the dumbest bunches of #$#@ ever
[10:16] <raphink> they don't only criticize others' govt
[10:16] <raphink> they criticize all of them
[10:16] <dm> why?
[10:16] <dm> i mean its not like they are in any better of a situation
[10:16] <raphink> because govts are corrupted
[10:16] <raphink> everywhere
[10:16] <Futal> dm: french people love to give their opinion
[10:16] <raphink> and because french people like to complain
[10:16] <raphink> about everything
[10:16] <raphink> and anything
[10:16] <dm> futal i noticed hehe :)
[10:17] <raphink> we have the habbit of giving our opninion
[10:17] <dm> i think thats funny
[10:17] <raphink> even on things we don't understand
[10:17] <dm> but hey, to each his own i guess
[10:17] <raphink> but at least we can say that we don't follow our govt blindly
[10:17] <dm> and who does?
[10:17] <raphink> I think actually many french people complain too much
[10:17] <Futal> actually, it is often misunderstood by american: if someone is a good friend, you should tell her/him your opinion, especially if you don't think the same
[10:17] <raphink> and act too few
[10:18] <raphink> yes Futal, agree
[10:18] <dm> futal but thats a difference of culture, not everyone comes from the same understandings of whats right to say, and whats wrong
[10:18] <raphink> this is being `frank' as in `france'
[10:19] <Futal> telling your opinion - especially if it is different -  is a mark of respect (in french of course)
[10:19] <raphink> maybe we got thta from the barbarians who first invaded our country
[10:19] <dm> two major things you dont want to get into an opinions and side with an american Religon/Government
[10:19] <Futal> on the contrary of the US where you should agree with friends, or at least find a common view
[10:20] <raphink> in french we have these expressions : `jouer franc jeu' and `tre franc'
[10:20] <dm> Futal its all about sacrafice
[10:20] <raphink> they both come from the name of the barbarians who `created' the french kingdom
[10:20] <raphink> and they both mean being honnest even in telling truth that are painful
[10:20] <raphink> so that everything is well set
[10:21] <raphink> so that's inherent to our culture
[10:21] <Futal> dm: was it "sacrifice"?
[10:21] <chimaera> hi. i have problems getting my scanner to work. scanimage -L gives me the following:
[10:21] <chimaera> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x1003d5e0 ***
[10:21] <chimaera> Aborted
[10:21] <dm> futal umm well, doing something you dont want to do , to meet someone in the middle, so to speak
[10:21] <dm> futal yes sacrifice
[10:22] <dm> futal i spelled it wrong :P
[10:22] <chimaera> dm: compromise?
[10:22] <raphink> sacrifice is a religious concept
[10:22] <raphink> which means : to make sacred
[10:22] <dm> chimaera sorta, trying to explain what i meant
[10:22] <Futal> well, compromise is not in french culture
[10:22] <dm> raphink not exaclty, more like compromise
[10:22] <chimaera> dm: sorry for juming in..
[10:22] <raphink> Futal: yes lol
[10:22] <dm> chimaera np :)
[10:22] <Futal> dm: i just have a vague idea of what it means
[10:23] <raphink> what what means Futal ?
[10:23] <dm> futal compromise  doing something you dont want to do , to meet someone in the middle, so to speak
[10:23] <raphink> pow wow
[10:23] <raphink> lol
[10:24] <Futal> for french people, either someone makes you change your thought with arguments, or you have no reason to change your mind
[10:24] <dm> does anyone know how to change the icons in the system tray ?
[10:25] <raphink> one call tell that American has a strong tradition of compromise
[10:25] <raphink> LOL
[10:25] <raphink> America
[10:26] <raphink> as long as americans had to compromise among themselves
[10:26] <dm> raphink dont bash countries here please.
[10:26] <raphink> I don't bash
[10:26] <raphink> you point that your value is compromise
[10:26] <dm> raphink i didnt say our value is compromise
[10:26] <raphink> and well looking at the US policy in the world for quite a huge amount of years
[10:26] <raphink> I find this funny
[10:26] <raphink> oh ok
[10:26] <Futal> chimera: i'm searching
[10:27] <raphink> that's what I understood
[10:27] <raphink> sorry
[10:28] <dm> raphink but the american population doesnt make the decisions, so dont hold it against them. Holdit against the American Govt. and the people that run it. not the people that live in america. I live in America, and i dont know what the fuck the GVT is doing most times, Nor do i understand it or like it.
[10:28] <raphink> I thought America called itself a democracry
[10:28] <dm> raphink but its a good country to live in, thats why im here.
[10:28] <raphink> and that meant people elected their govt
[10:29] <raphink> so they would be representative of what they think
[10:29] <aftertaf> raphink:  you are resposible for all sarkozy, chirac, & villepin (& raffarin) does?
[10:29] <dm> raphink it does, but theres a lot of old people that vote. and they have crappy ways of thinking
[10:29] <raphink> I am not the french people aftertaf
[10:29] <morrow> haha.. show me one democratic nation where the people realy like their gvt?
[10:29] <raphink> I voted against my govt
[10:30] <dm> morrow well said
[10:30] <aftertaf> raphink:  a lot of french did..... so they arent responsible for them 100% neither are the us citizens.
[10:30] <chimaera> there's a saying: if democracy would work, they'd forbid it.
[10:30] <raphink> sure
[10:31] <raphink> as I said I don't hold it against the american citizens
[10:31] <dm> raphink then please refer to "americans" as American Govt" when you are speaking badly of the decisions made by the govt, it is misleading,
[10:32] <aftertaf> !start a nationality war :)
[10:32] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you smoking crack?
[10:32] <dm> lol
[10:32] <nikkia> also, please remember that when people vote, they vote on a number of issues, and often have to take a compromise between what is more important to them, and some policies they may find repugnant but lesser priority than other issues
[10:33] <nikkia> ie, there may well be a number of republicans that voted for bush that don't like his foreign policy...
[10:33] <nikkia> it may even be a majority of people that voted for him, who knows
[10:33] <Futal> chimera: i didn't found anything but you should check if your scanimage has been compiled with the very same version of your installed glibc
[10:38] <chimaera> Futal: i even compiled sane myself, error remains. strange thing is, if i use the ubuntu-live-cd, it'S working.
[10:39] <Futal> chimaera: maybe your glibc, and glibc-devel are not the same version
[10:39] <Futal> or maybe you are compiling with a different version of gcc than the one used for glibc
[10:40] <arwate> why can't I remove printers that are installed in the "generic unix lpd print system" or "LPR/LPRng Print system"?
[10:40] <Futal> arwate: no idea
[10:40] <chimaera> Futal: how to get the gccc-version glibc has been compiled with?
[10:41] <arwate> where are they installed in the file system?
[10:41] <Futal> chimaera: with the source package i think but i don't exactly
[10:42] <chimaera> Futal: you mean by checking the build-deps?
[10:43] <Futal> chimaera: that's it
[10:50] <chimaera> Futal: it'S built w/ 3.4
[11:01] <exclude> morning folks
[11:02] <exclude> I just compiled this app (delicious sidebar for konq) and was wondering if/how I can make that into a .deb and submit that for review for the ubuntu repos.
[11:17] <chimaera> exclude: read the debian new-maintainers howto.
[11:18] <chimaera> exclude: i've written a small quick 'n dirt howto on this some time back, check http://debian.consistencies.net/faq.html
[11:36] <berkes> chimaera: thank you
[11:37] <chimaera> berkes: np
[11:59] <andrzej> somebody hava a repository to Opera web browser?
[12:00] <andrzej> ??
[12:02] <rikva> andrzej: opera has .debs, i think
[12:07] <nikkia> rikva: indeed, they even have an ubuntu .deb which works fine for kubuntu
[12:07] <rikva> :)
[12:09] <andrzej> J download opera.deb and run comand dpkg -i and this package has installed but j don't open any plugins and some web not open
[12:10] <rikva> hmm you propably need the flash player but I don't know how to install that for opera
[12:11] <nikkia> rikva: its just a case of installing the flashplayer for mozilla/firefox, then copying the .so to /usr/lib/opera/plugins  iirc
[12:11] <rikva> nikkia: andrzej is trying to install it, not me :-)
[12:11] <nikkia> well, it *might* also need lesstif installed, can't be sure
[12:14] <tomplast> hi people
[12:15] <tomplast> i dont know how to install the NVIDIA drivers for Kubuntu (im using Kernel 2.6.12-9-686 and I can't find any source for it) so what should i do?
[12:16] <andrzej> j have install flash player
[12:16] <Tm_T> !nvidia
[12:16] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:17] <Tm_T> !flash
[12:17] <ubotu> I heard flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <tomplast> thanks ubotu
[12:18] <andrzej> !flash
[12:18] <ubotu> it has been said that flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:54] <propagandhi> hello people
[12:55] <Thorfin> hello punk
[12:56] <propagandhi> whats up Thorfin
[12:56] <aftertaf> wb Kamping_Kaiser
[12:56] <aftertaf> :)
[12:56] <Thorfin> nothing doc...
[12:57] <propagandhi> Thorfin: sounds interesting
[12:57] <Thorfin> juste lurking :) as almost everybody
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf :)
[12:57] <propagandhi> i thought it was too quiet to be true
[12:57] <mts^> annoying error 55646: how do i kill a python-script for amaroK that wont shut down?
[12:57] <Thorfin> propagandhi: but when I don"t lurk I try to install a kubuntu on my interstellar spaceship
[12:58] <propagandhi> ha ha
[12:58] <Thorfin> quite difficult
[12:58] <propagandhi> what do you mean try
[12:58] <Thorfin> the energy consumption is too high
[12:58] <propagandhi> Thorfin: you're a tripper
[12:59] <Thorfin> so I have to pipe one booster of the spaceship to give more energy
[12:59] <Thorfin> propagandhi: perhaps :)
[12:59] <propagandhi> Thorfin: cut back on you're daily heroin intake
[01:00] <Thorfin> hummmm not heroin
[01:00] <Thorfin> with geroin I can't even type on the keyboard
[01:00] <Thorfin> *heroin
[01:00] <propagandhi> ha ha
[01:01] <Thorfin> but... I'm so glad to have a conversation on #kubuntu, cose when I ask for some help no one answers me :'(
[01:01] <Thorfin> so I'm complelled to invent some stupid stories to grab attention
[01:01] <propagandhi> Thorfin: well since I have been here you havent asked for help
[01:02] <propagandhi> so whats the problem
[01:02] <Thorfin> not today but the other days sometimes
[01:02] <Thorfin> the problem is solved :) but each day has his own problem
[01:02] <propagandhi> ok....
[01:03] <Thorfin> but I won't forget to highlight you the next time :p
[01:03] <propagandhi> in my experience this channel is pretty helpful
[01:03] <propagandhi> the ubuntu channel is undoubtedly more active, but then again, can u trust the gnomes?
[01:03] <Thorfin> lol
[01:03] <propagandhi> methinks not
[01:04] <Thorfin> frankly there's too many people on #ubuntu
[01:04] <propagandhi> i mostly just read the ubuntu channel, I speak more in here
[01:04] <Thorfin> your questions vanishe in the crowd
[01:04] <Thorfin> -e
[01:04] <propagandhi> very philosophical of you
[01:04] <flixor> Guys i am having a question about ssh or networking in general
[01:04] <Thorfin> (hard to type fluent english when you're not a native)
[01:05] <propagandhi> Throfin: I forgive you
[01:05] <Thorfin> tks
[01:05] <propagandhi> flixor: whats the exact problem
[01:05] <Thorfin> btw Thorfin is not my usual pseudo didn't see that
[01:05] <flixor> well i am trying to setup a ssh server and its working i can login from localhost to the ssh server
[01:05] <propagandhi> flixor: yes and