[02:13] <Basketball> nexus 9???
[02:13] <Basketball> support
[02:14] <rww> the Nexus 9 hasn't shipped yet, how would we have support for it?
[02:14] <Basketball> i mean will it get ubuntu touch
[02:15] <rww> i expect we'll find out... when it's shipped and Touch developers have one
[05:23] <share> hello
[05:27] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, hey :-)
[08:01] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, hey
[08:03] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, so, seems playing with inverseMouseArea has some strange consequences, so I think we have two choice right now: remove the inverse mouse area, merge the branch and mark bug 1381723 as affecting the browser too
[08:04] <rpadovani> or waiting that someone (maybe I) fix bug 1381723, but I don't have an eta on this
[08:05] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, let’s go for the first option (although at the moment landings are blocked anyway, so there is no rush)
[08:07] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, gotcha, thanks!
[08:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Mulligan Day! :-D
[09:07] <seb128> what component is displaying the "<...> wants to access your location" dialogs?
[09:10] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:13] <ogra_> seb128, trusted-store ... tvoss' baby
[09:13] <seb128> ogra_, thanks
[09:16] <seb128> mpt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182217342/camera.png ... should the buttons order be reversed? ("allow" which is the positive action on top)?
[09:26] <tsdgeos> ogra_: hi ho
[09:27] <ogra_> tsdgeos, hey
[09:27] <tsdgeos> ogra_: so dednick has a better fix for that edges problem
[09:27] <tsdgeos> ogra_: do we want to test the better fix? or just land the better fix in trunk and take current for rtm?
[09:28] <tsdgeos> or?
[09:30] <ogra_> tsdgeos, we are already building an image with the fix (and QA signed it off) ... i guess we can improve later still
[09:31] <ogra_> (and Saviq is on a plane afaik)
[09:31] <tsdgeos> yes, he just went on board
[09:31] <tsdgeos> ogra_: ok, let's do that then
[09:32] <tsdgeos> ogra_: question from the ignorance, how do you build an image if the thing hasn't landed? you distropatch it?
[09:33] <ogra_> it has landed, Saviq prepared a silo for it tonight
[09:33] <ogra_> Qa signed this off and we released it into rtm this morning
[09:34] <dednick> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/edgedemo-update-indicators/+merge/238637 ?
[09:34] <ogra_> dednick, right
[09:34] <tsdgeos> ogra_: i don't see it in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/rtm-14.09
[09:35] <dednick> yeah, i dont see it anywhere... :/
[09:36] <ogra_> hmm, better wait for sil2100 to show up ... no idea about that
[09:36] <ogra_> ah, well
[09:36] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu-rtm&q=
[09:37] <ogra_> nobody did merge and clean on silo 005 yet :)
[09:37] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:37] <ogra_> Mirv, any idea whats the process here ? i think sil2100 usually likes to keep the silos areound for a while for reverse inspection if needed
[09:38] <ogra_> (though this change looks small enough that we could just clean i think)
[09:38] <mpt> seb128, yes, when buttons don’t fit horizontally, the positive action should be on top
[09:38] <ogra_> tsdgeos, dednick i assume it blocks your work today ?
[09:38] <mpt> seb128, also the negative one should be “Don’t Allow” rather than “Deny” :-)
[09:38] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccountPrivileges#Phone
[09:39] <mpt> seb128, and I guess the reason you’re there is that you’re fixing the body text?
[09:39] <dednick> ogra_: no, it's fine. my patch is just an improvement.
[09:39] <ogra_> dednick, might make sense to have a landing for it ready :)
[09:46] <Mirv> ogra_: usually silos are simply cleaned quickly, and the only possible holdup is when it's wanted to finish the sync to utopic/rtm counterpart before cleaning up. but now utopic is in Final Freeze.
[09:47] <ogra_> Mirv, right, then i think we can just merge and clean so the trunk is up to date again
[09:47] <Mirv> ogra_: yes. plus, unity8 has rtm branch even.
[09:47] <ogra_> right
[09:47] <seb128> mpt, thanks, and no, the reason is that I'm annoyed by the order, I expect to have "allow" on top and it feels wrong every time I've to use that dialog ;-)
[09:47] <Mirv> tsdgeos: now in rtm trunk
[09:48] <seb128> mpt, I can submit a fix for the label while I'm at it, thanks
[09:48] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ok
[09:49] <mpt> seb128, bug 1352960 (see also bug 1353333 and bug 1354376)
[09:50] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[09:52] <mpt> seb128, actually, looks like 1353333 is already fixed, see bug 1367707
[09:54] <mpt> Because it’s a “should”-style bug report, it’s hard to tell whether it’s a duplicate
[11:39] <stianhj> Trying to install on my Nexus 5 using tasemnice.eu server. I get to recovery on my phone (with the Ubuntu logo) and ubuntu-device-flash script says "Failed to enter recovery", and the script stops.
[11:39] <stianhj> Anyone know what's up?
[11:56] <popey> hmm, i tried setting my ringtone as per james henstridge's suggestion at http://askubuntu.com/questions/372759/ringtones-in-ubuntu-touch
[11:57] <popey> seems the gsettings fu no longer works, anyone know if it's a different key or how I can do it without making my phone RW?
[12:27] <cwayne> popey: the gsettings should work, that's still the appropriate key
[12:30] <popey> cwayne: maybe i need to reboot..
[12:34] <popey> cwayne: reboot didn't do it ☹
[12:36] <ogra_> popey, cwayne, gsettings had an issue with wrongly used quotes wwhen programmatically setting keys ... not sure if that also might hit the custom tarball (or if it is fixed already)
[12:36] <popey> i am not using any quotes
[12:36] <cwayne> ogra_: custom tarball works fine :)
[12:36] <popey> gsettings set com.ubuntu.touch.sound incoming-call-sound /path/to/ringtone.ogg
[12:36] <popey> doing that
[12:37] <ogra_> seb128, do you remember if that was fixed already ?
[12:37] <ogra_> (teh original issue is about en/disabling notifications from system-settings)
[12:38] <popey> $ gsettings get com.ubuntu.touch.sound incoming-call-sound
[12:38] <popey> '/home/phablet/Ringtones/nokia_7.ogg'
[12:38] <popey> $ gsettings get com.ubuntu.touch.sound incoming-message-sound
[12:39] <popey> '/home/phablet/Ringtones/OOT_Navi_Hey_listen.ogg'
[12:39] <popey> looks like they are set correctly
[12:39] <popey> files are owned by phablet, 666
[12:44] <Laney> no
[12:44] <Laney> Ringtone and message sounds are stored in AS
[12:45] <popey> (what is AS)?
[12:46] <Laney> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedeskto/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.ubuntu.touch.AccountsService.Sound IncomingCallSound <"/blah">
[12:46] <Laney> accountsservice
[12:46] <Laney> I typed that manually so there might be typos :-)
[12:46] <Laney> for example freedeskto → freedesktop
[12:48] <popey> ok, thanks!
[12:49] <Anand> hi
[12:51] <Anand> i have samsung S2 and i want to install ubuntu touch on it i have tryed the step on the web but not able pass through
[12:51] <Anand> can any on help me on that
[13:33] <benbugohit> Hi, did anyone encountered a "ubuntu-rtm-proposed v96" unity8/media-hub bug ?
[13:34] <seb128> ogra_, what Laney said
[13:34] <ogra_> seb128, ah, ok
[13:51] <tedg> bzoltan, Do you know the status of bug 1242666 ?
[13:58] <t1mp> tedg: that's a weird bug
[13:59] <t1mp> we have a Label component... I don't see what's missing?
[13:59] <t1mp> checkboxes and switches don't have text, so the apps must have added a Label to them.
[14:00] <tedg> t1mp, The idea is to have a ListItem type that is only used for a label. Like header, but not bold and shifted.
[14:00] <tedg> t1mp, Currently if you use one of those without a widget you can click on it and other things that make it feel odd.
[14:02] <t1mp> tedg: the "about this phone" screenshots in https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1sZYJLmEtvuD7G8TJ4HYeSF-7oMvjNGmGxdVRPcygQWs/edit are they the designs, or actual screenshots?
[14:03] <tedg> t1mp, designs
[14:04] <tedg> t1mp, Actual screenshots have the "Legal" all the same color and you can't see any differentiation.
[14:07] <t1mp> tedg: we have the ListItem.Header
[14:08] <t1mp> tedg: it seems to me that's what you want, except perhaps the visuals need an update
[14:08] <tedg> t1mp, Yes, and that's basically what we're looking for. But not a header. Just with more "label like" visuals.
[14:08] <tedg> t1mp, It's kinda a semantic distinction on what we're trying to express.
[14:10] <t1mp> tedg: to me it looks like we only need to update the font-weight and color if the ListItem.Header?
[14:12] <dbarth> kgunn: hey Kevin; apparently trust prompts appear broken on mako; is that a known issue?
[14:13] <kgunn> dbarth: i was seeing pople complain about things broken on mako overnight....debugged down to hybris/mediahub
[14:13] <kgunn> not sure if it's related
[14:13] <dbarth> i just downgraded MH
[14:13] <dbarth> so maybe i need to downgrade hybris too
[14:14] <tedg> t1mp, Visually yes, but I'm not sure header is not used elsewhere where it's expected to be shifted and bold. mpt, thoughts?
[14:15] <mpt> tedg, I have used headers on one screen: the top level “Security & Privacy” screen, because it’s so long. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=phone-security-privacy.png>
[14:15] <mpt> (where by “used” I mean “design imagining that they will be implemented as”. ;-)
[14:16] <tedg> mpt, Hmm, well, the developer didn't use them :-)
[14:16] <mpt> tedg, everywhere else I’m just using labels, for the reasons I described in bug 1242666
[14:16] <t1mp> Headers are no longer shifted
[14:17] <t1mp> mpt: so those headers need to look different from intro labels?
[14:17] <mpt> And I would expect labels outside of list items to be aligned with labels inside list items, as shown in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth#Discoverability> for example.
[14:17] <mpt> There “Bluetooth” is in a list item, “Not discoverable” is not
[14:18] <t1mp> mpt: why is "not discoverable" not a list item?
[14:18] <t1mp> maybe we are just not using the same terminology
[14:18] <t1mp> mpt: what is visually the difference between a Header and an intro label? The font weight only?
[14:18] <mpt> t1mp, ideally, yes
[14:19] <t1mp> okay
[14:19] <t1mp> mpt: is the Header used only in one place? Perhaps if there we could use an intro label instead, all we need to do in the toolkit is change the font-weight of the current ListItem.Header
[14:19] <mpt> Oh, I found another place where I used Headers
[14:19] <mpt> And this is a clearer example too

[14:20] <mpt> There, “Charge level” and “Ways to reduce battery use” are headers
[14:20] <mpt> “Last full charge” is not a header, and it’s not a list item either
[14:21] <mpt> “Accurate location detection requires…” is a caption also not part of the list
[14:21] <t1mp> mpt: I'd say the "Charge level" is part of a custom list item that shows the graph
[14:22] <seb128> mpt, ted, t1mp: interesting, because "Charge level" has a value, and headers don't support that afaik...
[14:22] <mpt> t1mp, but if you do that, it becomes much harder to fix the problem that there’s no visual distinction between things that are tappable and things that are not
[14:23] <t1mp> mpt: perhaps we (you, the developers of the app, and someone from the UITK team) should sit together early next week
[14:24] <t1mp> mpt: list items have a property "highlightWhenPressed" to prevent showing the highlight when the user presses them, maybe that already solves the problem
[14:24] <mpt> t1mp, that’s 10% of it, but the other 90% is before you even tap it :-)
[14:27] <seb128> t1mp, toggling that doesn't disable haptic feedback though
[14:27] <seb128> t1mp, so you still get click feedback
[14:27] <t1mp> mpt: okay, I don't think we'll solve this today but we can clear stuff up early next week
[14:27] <t1mp> seb128: hmm, that sounds like a bug to me
[14:28] <t1mp> seb128: I cannot think of a use case where you do not want the visual feedback, but you want haptic feedback
[14:28] <seb128> t1mp, well, that's how the toolkit behave atm, could be a bug indeed
[14:28] <mpt> t1mp, I’d like a session on that. Can you arrange one with seb128?
[14:29] <seb128> +1
[14:29] <t1mp> okay, I like to involve zsombi also. He is working on new list items and perhaps he has it solved already
[14:30] <mpt> t1mp, seb128: For the haptic problem see also bug 1267592, which is Incomplete everywhere
[14:31] <t1mp> mpt: it is a separate bug, but it makes sense to check all the components to see if the haptic feedback is consistent
[14:32] <chowder> where can I find a list of devices that ubuntu has been ported to? I have a Samsung Galaxy S II that I'm not using
[14:32] <mpt> That bug report is a casualty of “should”-ness
[14:32] <t1mp> !devices | chowder
[14:33] <t1mp> seb128: I'm not getting haptic feedback on a basic list item at all
[14:33] <t1mp> seb128: I'm testing with "Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery" (from Ubuntu Store, by zoltan) in the List Items section
[14:34] <mpt> t1mp, that’s what I observed in 1267592 as well
[14:35] <seb128> t1mp, do you know where the source to that is?
[14:35] <mpt> Haptic feedback for checkboxes and switches, but not list items and most other things
[14:35] <t1mp> mpt: yes, bzr branch lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit and then in examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/
[14:36] <t1mp> err
[14:36] <t1mp> seb128: ^
[14:36] <seb128> t1mp, do you get some for "singlevalue" items?
[14:36]  * seb128 installs
[14:36] <seb128> right, ok
[14:36] <seb128> those have it
[14:36] <t1mp> seb128: yes, I get feedback for the singlevalue items on release :s
[14:37] <t1mp> that's odd
[14:38] <t1mp> ^ very inconsistent :(
[14:40] <MacSlow> Cimi, added my work-items
[14:40] <Cimi> MacSlow, thanks :)
[14:40] <chrisdep_> I'm unable to install the updates on ubuntu touch
[14:40] <chrisdep_> for several weeks the listed updates will only show 'installing'
[14:41] <chrisdep_> but progress bar never begins and the packages don't install
[14:41] <chrisdep_> can someone tell me how to fix this?
[14:41] <t1mp> chrisdep_: you could try to flash the device again from your computer
[14:42] <chrisdep_> I've tried exporting my contact info in the past but found there is no easy way to do it
[14:42] <chrisdep_> i would rather avoid reflashing but will do it if necessary
[14:42] <chrisdep_> :/
[14:42] <t1mp> I think you can reflash without wiping your homedir
[14:43] <chrisdep_> really?
[14:43] <chrisdep_> i will reflash later today then
[14:43] <t1mp> if you use ubuntu-device-flash without the --wipe it should keep your data
[14:43] <t1mp> I reflash all the time, but I don't have much data on it. Better get someone to confirm that it doesn't delete your data :)
[14:44] <chowder> thanks t1mp! I see that Ubuntu touch has been ported to the Galaxy S2 already but not the AT&T version. I'm wondering if there's any differences between the two. I was going to give my wife the phone but she can't use it because its incompatible with Boost Mobile.
[14:45] <t1mp> chowder: I don't know about that. I am in Europe and I think the network providers have less control over the devices here (luckily)
[14:45] <mpt> Browser’s toolbar buttons have haptic feedback, header buttons everywhere else do not
[14:45] <chowder> t1mp: if only that was the case in America. Either way I'm going to try and tinker with Ubuntu Touch since the phone is just collecting dust. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction!
[14:46] <t1mp> or maybe it is just me always buying simlock-free phones and prepaid network access :)
[14:47] <t1mp> mpt: browser has custom header, most other apps the UITK header. If you need changes in that report a bug on http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ and ping me :)
[14:47] <kenvandine> mzanetti, in your settings MP for the launcher reset, you said it should land together with the unity8 branch, which hasn't landed yet
[14:47] <kenvandine> mzanetti, right?
[14:47] <t1mp> mpt: but I'm practically done for today, so that would be for Monday
[14:48] <kenvandine> mzanetti, it linked to this MP https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-update-on-dconf-change/+merge/236561
[14:51] <mpt> Pushbuttons have haptic feedback, dialpad buttons and lock screen buttons do not
[14:55] <mpt> Checkboxes in apps have haptic feedback, checkboxes in Web pages do not…
[14:56] <mpt> Apps in the Dash have haptic feedback, apps in the Launcher do not
[14:59] <t1mp> mpt: do we need a session on haptic feedback?
[15:00] <dia> hey,  just started playing around with Ubuntu touch.  Had a question about a program running,  ubuntu-push-cl,  i couldn't find any google results for it.
[15:00] <t1mp> mpt: we may need a bunch of people for that. For dash+launcher Saviq for webpages dbarth for most other places someone from the SDK team and probably some of the app developers
[15:01] <mpt> t1mp, true, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it benefits from those people being in the same room … Is this poor APIs, or is it just underspecification?
[15:02] <dia> Is it for grabbing updates?
[15:03] <dobey> dia: it's "ubuntu-push-client" actually. wherever you copied the command name from, had it truncated
[15:03] <dobey> dia: it is the client for receiving push notifications
[15:04] <dia> oh OK
[15:06] <t1mp> mpt: I don't think we have clear specs on haptic feedback
[15:06] <t1mp> mpt: I don't think we need to offer API for that. If we do it properly in UITK, the apps just get it by default :)
[15:06] <mpt> t1mp, I reopened bug 1267592 and summarized the findings
[15:07] <t1mp> mpt: just unity uses a lot of custom components
[15:07] <t1mp> mpt: okay, I like the new title more :)
[15:50] <kenvandine> tedg, what's the status of the messages in greeter landing?
[15:54] <tedg> kenvandine, Of the messages?
[15:54] <tedg> kenvandine, I was hoping to land the rtm stuff and then that.
[15:55] <tedg> kenvandine, But it seems that Saviq is traveling today, so I kinda need him for both.
[15:55] <kenvandine> tedg, ok
[15:55] <kenvandine> so next week i guess
[15:55] <kenvandine> tedg, i'm just trying to line up stuff for landings once the landings freeze is thawed
[15:56] <tedg> kenvandine, Understood, thinking the same :-)
[15:56]  * kenvandine gets out a hair dryer, certainly no other uses for it here :)
[15:58] <tedg> kenvandine, No comment ;-)
[16:00] <kenvandine> tedg :-D
[16:03] <MacSlow> see you all in DC next week! happy weekend/traveling!
[16:10] <vitimiti> Hi
[16:54] <Vince__> Hey anyone know how to fix the date/time on ubuntu touch? Even when I do it manually it doesn't work
[16:55] <Vince__> Is anyone even active?
[16:58] <seb128> how doesn't work?
[16:58] <seb128> what device do you use?
[17:03] <ogra_> Vince__, works fine herre
[17:03] <ogra_> *here
[17:04] <Vince__> I'm on the nexus 5 port and it doesn't show the correct time for the specified timezone
[17:06] <ogra_> do you run ubuntu only ?
[17:07] <ogra_> or is that a dual boot setup ? might be that android fiddles with the TZ somehow
[17:07] <ogra_> (it definitely works on all supported devices for me)
[17:09] <daker> ogra_: yo, do you know how can i fix the upgrade process ? the update has been downloaded, the phone reboot then the upgrade process is triggered but system-settings still show the old version which means nothing has been upgraded http://paste.ubuntu.com/8576213/
[17:10] <ogra_> daker, "system-image-cli -f full -v" via adb should work
[17:10] <ogra_> (that forces a full image upgrade instead of trying to use a delta)
[17:10] <daker> ogra_: no data will be lost ?
[17:11] <ogra_> not with system-image-cli, no
[17:11] <daker> ok i'll test that once i am home, thanks!
[17:21] <Vince__> Sorry doing multiple things at once. Yes I am dual booting with multirom
[17:23] <Vince__> There are quite a few things that are not working for me. File manager cannot open some folders for some reason, cannot send sms messages (but I can call), can only use internet when connected via wifi, and many others
[17:23] <Vince__> Will probably try a fresh install not dual booting
[17:24] <ogra_> file manager is restricted to your homedir (and subdirs) by default
[17:24] <ogra_> there should be an unlock button at the bottom to enter your pin if you want to browse any system dirs
[17:24] <Vince__> Yes but I cannot open some folders in the /Music folder
[17:24] <ogra_> ah
[17:24] <ogra_> are you sure these are actually owned by phablet ?
[17:25] <Vince__> That is probably it
[17:25] <Vince__> I copied them on android to that destination
[17:25] <Vince__> I gtg thanks for the help
[17:25] <ogra_> when adb still ran as root and you did adb push it created files and dirs with rooot permissions
[17:58] <bzoltan> tedg: I need to talk to zsombi about  it. we might have a solution, but more likely we will sort it out next week.
[17:58] <tedg> bzoltan, Cool, we had a chat with t1mp about it in the backlog.
[17:58] <tedg> bzoltan, I think he understands what design is after now.
[18:06] <bzoltan> tedg: Yes, we do understand. We have talked about it with zsombi before.
[19:57] <jdstrand> barry: hi! I'm trying to change the channel of my phone, and system-image-cli seems to just be hanging: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8580941/
[20:06] <barry> jdstrand: that's udm hanging :/
[20:06] <jdstrand> ah, it just traced back
[20:06] <barry> jdstrand: which means either network problems, or server problems
[20:07] <jdstrand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8580973/
[20:07] <jdstrand> barry: I guess that confirms what you're saying ^
[20:07] <barry> jdstrand: indeed.  it means we didn't hear back from udm before it timed out
[20:07] <jdstrand> the device can ping system-image.ubuntu.com ok
[20:08] <barry> jdstrand: try killing udm and letting dbus reactivate it
[20:08] <jdstrand> browsing works
[20:09] <jdstrand> barry: that seems to have done it. I guess if I didn't have you, I would've eventually rebooted
[20:09] <jdstrand> barry: thanks!
[20:09] <barry> np!
[20:10] <jdstrand> well, it got farther, but now seems stuck again
[20:10] <jdstrand> hrmm
[20:10] <barry> jdstrand: there are udm logs somewhere which might help.  poke around in /var/log perhaps
[20:17]  * jdstrand ended up rebooting
[20:17] <jdstrand> that seems to have righted things
[20:57] <md6xum> I am completely lost. Can someone help me with the current ubuntu-touch version? My mako says in the settings menue: OS Ubuntu 14.10 (r243). There was a image promotion today and I assume I will sometime get the utopic/mako image which is at #290 right now?
[20:57] <md6xum> Nonetheless, image #5 in the ubuntu-rtm/14.09 channel seems even more up-to-date, so I should flash to this channel?
[21:02] <ogra_> md6xum, if you want the latest with the best tested quality rtm is what you want, yes
[21:05] <md6xum> Ok, then. And what channels will be changed after the release of ubuntu 14.10 next week?
[21:06] <ogra_> touch is not depending on the ubuntu release schedule, i assume the devel channel will point to the V release as soon as it opens
[21:07] <ogra_> but all serious work and stability improvements only happen in the rtm (release to manufacturer) distro
[21:08] <ogra_> devel (or utopic ... or later V ... ) has turned into a developer playground to test stuff before handing it to QA who then allow it into rtm (or dont)
[21:09] <md6xum> So, after I switched to rtm/14.09, do I have to reflash if the new rtm channel is called ubuntu-rtm/14.10 ?
[21:09] <ogra_> there wont be a 14.10 rtm
[21:09] <ogra_> 14.09 is the name
[21:10] <md6xum> ok, sounds good. Thank you for the help!
[22:36] <swift110-phone> Hey
[22:37] <swift110-phone> Can i put ubuntu touch on an iphone 4s
[22:40] <md6xum> not yet
[22:41] <SorcerousFox> How about a samsung galaxy s5? I haven't actually researched it I just plan to try it when i upgrade next year lol
[22:43] <afm> and another attempt at porting... steps taken if anyone has time to look it over
[22:43] <afm> http://pastebin.com/gN3KAjR0
[22:56] <swift110-phone> Was the not yet towards me?
[23:50] <afm> anyone for porting help... feel like I'm close... started documenting.. but have been a few steps ahead before this... pulled most of the proprietary stuff from the phone directly... have the right repo's now


[16:53] <lbt> hi all    is there a generic way to set CFLAGS for a debian build?   equivalent of   export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=3"   but for CFLAGS ?
[16:58] <lbt> persia: you around?
[16:58] <lbt> not heard much from you all recently...
[17:32] <lool> lbt: For most packages you can do it by setting CFLAGS when calling dpkg-bp
[17:33] <lool> But the only sane way to ensure they will be picked up systematically is to change your toolchain or use a wrapper


[16:28] <paradoxspiral> Is there a tracking issue or something like that about migrating to a newer ubuntu base? Is 20.04 targeted to be the new base or 18*?
[16:33] <thrrgilag> I've heard 20 being mentioned before so I don't think they are going to bother with 18.  I suspect it's going to be a big undertaking so they'll want to target the latest LTS.  I don't know offhand if that's on the roadmap yet, trying to remember where they have that board at.
[16:35] <paradoxspiral> A bit unfortunate that the forum requires signup to search
[16:40] <thrrgilag> Ah it was mentioned in one of the previous Q&A's https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-q-a-66-258  So they are looking at basing on 20.04
[16:44] <paradoxspiral> nice :)
[18:37] <DiogoConstantino> paradoxspiral: I think work hasn't really started, and yes 18.04 will be skipped
[20:17] <Fuseteam> Currently all hands are on deck for releasing ota 12 iirc
[20:20] <Fuseteam> And complete the pinephone port
[20:21] <thrrgilag> Yes, I'm really hoping for the pinephone port to get a lot more attention once OTA 12 is solid.
[20:25] <Fuseteam> There was one thing om their plates now as well forgot what ...
[20:27] <Fuseteam> My point is there's so much on their plates atm they don't have the wiggle room to work on rebasing yet :p
[20:28] <Fuseteam> OHW yeah the move to wayland
[20:29] <Fuseteam> Three large interlocked projects
[20:36] <thrrgilag> Oh right, very important.


[00:46] <fossrox> hi guys!
[00:47] <fossrox> I've noticed a problem in documentation: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/introducing_bazaar.html
[00:48] <fossrox> link: Bazaar Quick Start Card - a one page summary of commonly used commands.
[00:48] <fossrox> Not found: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/quick-reference/quick-start-summary.svg
[00:48] <fossrox> thanks in advance!
[01:27] <ScottK> fossrox: I think you want #bzr.
[01:31] <fossrox> ScottK: thanks!
[03:00] <ScottK> I'm having trouble with package retries timing out both on production and on edge ( OOPS-1485L223 and OOPS-1485EA129 respectively).  Is anything up with soyuz?
[03:03] <ScottK> That particular one is OBE because the system noticed it could come out of depwait without my help, but I wonder if there is a general isse.
[03:03] <ScottK> isse/issue
[03:06] <wgrant> The automatic retry is may not be unrelated to the timeout.
[03:06] <ScottK> OK.
[03:06] <ScottK> It was just on that page so far.
[03:10] <jtaby_> Hey, how can I checkout this branch? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oubiwann/txjsonrpc/main/files
[03:10] <jtaby_> I tried running `bzr branch lp:txjsonrpc`, but got an error about launchpad IDs...do I need a launchpad account?
[05:52] <crimsun> huh, that's odd. gbrainy_1.30-1ubuntu2 FTBFS on lucid/i386 (rothera) saying that libglade2.0-cil-dev doesn't exist, but it's definitely available. Do the chroots need to be refreshed again?
[05:53] <crimsun> (and, it built fine and passed piuparts on a local amd64)
[06:05] <ScottK> crimsun: It's in Universe.  Gbrainy is in Main now.
[06:07]  * persia wishes that something other than components was available to check ogre-model, and do it at build-time without needing to mangle apt sources
[06:30] <micahg> do I need to report an oops on edge on main bugs pages in Ubuntu?
[06:30] <ScottK> No.
[06:56] <rockstar> micahg, what was the oops?
[06:56] <micahg> rockstar:          OOPS-1485EC379
[06:57] <crimsun> ScottK: ah, yes, thanks
[06:57] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[06:58] <rockstar> micahg, did it give you an actual exception?  The oops web interface doesn't seem to like me tonight.
[06:59] <micahg> rockstar: timeout error
[06:59] <rockstar> micahg, oh, I see, it's a timeout.
[06:59] <rockstar> micahg, we'll get an email about it, so it's not a big deal.  I'm willing to bet a refresh will make it go through.
[07:00] <rockstar> micahg, if it was another kind of exception, it'd be a higher priority.
[07:00] <rockstar> And by "it's not a big deal" I mean "it's a known issue"
[07:08] <micahg> rockstar: k
[07:32] <wgrant> rockstar: Remember that people outside ~launchpad do not get tracebacks.
[08:03] <micahg> Is gnome bugzilla also set up for reply from LP?
[08:05] <micahg> wgrant: ^^
[12:26] <xnox> I'm getting Error ID: OOPS-1485EA499
[12:27] <xnox> And Error ID: OOPS-1485EC619
[12:27] <xnox> Is sabdfl's profile special? =)
[12:27] <xnox> it's his subscribed & commented on bugs
[12:33] <idnar> I suspect it might be a timeout just because there's so many of them
[12:33] <idnar> or something to that effect
[12:33] <geser> there is currently a bug that bug listings like to timeout
[12:52] <dolik> Hello. I just noticed there is error in packages I uploaded. Is it possible to remove them from the queues before they get build? I would like to remove them so they don't hinder the queues, but the help didn't give me any hint how to do that...
[13:03] <persia> dolik: Soyuz doesn't support dcut, and it's likely that the sources were already published.
[13:03] <persia> If you upload a newer version before the build, the old build won't happen (superceded source)
[13:05] <dolik> persia: Thank you, didn't know that. So I'll just upload the corrected version...
[16:02] <vadi2> How can I remove the link of a bug report to a specific release?
[16:02] <vadi2> I don't see an option in the ui
[16:05] <persia> You can't: the best you can do is mark it invalid or fix released.
[16:06] <qense> Code imports seem to be failing with Tracebacks like this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38330581/nautilus-actions-main-log.txt
[16:07] <qense> (Which is, btw, for this branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~qense/nautilus-actions/main )
[16:09] <wgrant> vadi2: You should probably mark it "Won't Fix". That has some special significance in certain circumstances.
[16:17] <vadi2> hm, not in this case, it just shows as wont fix instead of removing the said row
[16:20] <jpds> vadi2: Yeah, it's impossible to remove.
[16:20] <persia> Right, the row never goes away, but doesn't show up in the default lists.
[16:49] <drubin> Should API questions be asked here or in -dev?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> is anyone getting timeouts with edge at the moment?
[16:52] <drubin> I am not.
[16:56] <drubin> Why is there an API to set some ones location but not an API to retrieve it? https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/#person
[17:00] <Daviey> drubin: there is.
[17:02] <Daviey> drubin: person.longitude & person.latitude
[17:04] <drubin> Daviey: Awsome, Thanks!! I just assume it was a method.  (My bad I didn't look at all the person's properties). Thanks again
[17:04] <Daviey> no worries
[17:05] <geser> chrisccoulson: timeout on bug listings?
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> geser - yeah, i'm getting that atm
[17:06] <geser> chrisccoulson: bug #511546
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> geser - thanks :)
[17:06] <geser> workaround is to disable edge forwarding
[17:32] <drubin> Is 1.5.1 version of launchpadapilib really that old, that even the login stuff doesn't work?
[17:35] <drubin> it seems it is just the anonymous login fails
[17:45] <maxb> drubin: The anonymous login stuff is very new
[17:45] <maxb> However if you use the recipe in the announcing blog post, it does work with 1.5.1
[18:11] <drubin> maxb: Thanks. found it
[19:53] <_Groo_> hi/2 all..
[19:53] <_Groo_> dput upload is coming to a crawl... does launchpad accepts http instead of ftp?
[20:02] <crimsun> _Groo_: answered yesterday: no.
[20:04] <_Groo_> crimsun: ¬¬ yesterday was rsync
[20:05]  * _Groo_ gives up on uploading shit to launchpad.. it has become useless unfortunatelly
[20:05] <ScottK> _Groo_: The answer yesterday was only ftp
[20:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok thanks, thans crimsun
[22:31] <fredb219> Hi, i have a strange error in a bzr branch hosted by launchpad : https://code.launchpad.net/~perroquet-team/perroquet/trunk2 . bzr commit and bzr log work but the launchpad view is locked to rev 113 (bzr log show now 117 rev).An idea ? Thanks
[22:32] <fredb219> oups : https://code.launchpad.net/~perroquet-team/perroquet/trunk


[00:17] <snap-l> Whooo-wee. 90f in the en
[00:17] <snap-l> den
[00:19] <snap-l> MB Temperature:    +61.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)
[00:23] <Blazeix>  cool, jquery 2.0 (in 2013) will drop IE 6/7/8 support
[00:54] <rick_h_> http://press.oreilly.com/pub/pr/2931 very cool
[00:55] <rick_h_> and now http://post.oreilly.com/form/oreillynotifications/viewhtml/9z1z5mubn237ojq19na1i2pj5hqsgki8rq0k3hvcbbo?imm_mid=08d215&cmp=em-npa-mailings-drop-box-release-june2012
[01:00] <greg-g> whoa, nice
[01:14] <rick_h_> http://teespring.com/pycoders
[01:41] <rick_h_> man, poor mozilla is feeling a bit like they've missed a chance
[01:43] <widox> rick_h_: heh, hope that order doesn't take as long as the vim t-shirt did
[01:43] <widox> that's pretty awesome, sync your books over to dropbox
[01:43] <rick_h_> widox: heh yea, but gotta support the Python folks
[01:45] <rick_h_> yea, I like that oreilly has done that. I know I get emails and redownload my book, then resync to my kindle
[01:45] <rick_h_> kinda cool if updates and such just appear on my machine via dropbox
[01:45] <rick_h_> and now it's on my phone, soon to have tablet, etc
[01:46] <widox> rick_h_: you bought a tablet?
[01:46] <widox> which one
[01:46] <rick_h_> yea, suckered into that nexus 7
[01:46] <widox> :D
[01:46] <rick_h_> price, new os got me
[01:46] <rick_h_> and my desire to tinker with bookie on mobile
[01:46] <widox> the specs sounds pretty great for it
[01:47] <rick_h_> yea, engadget raved on it basically
[01:47] <rick_h_> seems they're selling at cost/right at in order to sell and get people getting stuff from Play
[01:47] <rick_h_> and devs handle them, start doing more mobile stuff
[01:48] <widox> I've been kicking around the idea of getting one
[01:48] <rick_h_> yea, with derekv doing android stuff with bookie and I want to do some UI updates that'll be two pane, list on left readable on the right
[01:48] <rick_h_> so this one finally kicked me off the fence
[01:49] <widox> cool
[02:09] <rick_h_> tip of the day: try out ctrl-o in the chrome dev tools
[02:19] <widox> rick_h_: slick!
[02:20] <rick_h_> yea, missed that was there
[02:20] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk-tFn2Ix6g&feature=youtu.be
[02:35] <snap-l> Yeah, 've used their Dropbox syncing
[02:37] <rick_h_> pragmatic had it back at last year it looks like
[02:37] <rick_h_> and oreilly just added it as well
[02:37] <snap-l> Yeah, couple weeks back
[02:37] <rick_h_> I need to just stop buying things form amazon when it's on oreilly
[02:37] <rick_h_> they really have done a good job with that
[02:37] <snap-l> Yes
[02:37] <snap-l> yes yes yes
[02:38] <snap-l> Amazon for the stupid publishers, and the smart publisher sites for the smart ones
[02:38] <snap-l> (Penguin Books, Harper Collins)
[11:51] <rick_h_> morning
[11:51] <rick_h_> ugh, tgif
[11:52] <rick_h_> and wooo! cooler weather! only 95 today
[11:53] <rick_h_> geeze, Blazeix the HN comment crowd are cranky over this IE support dropping in jquery 2
[11:54] <brousch> Eh? What?
[11:55] <rick_h_> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4174550
[11:55] <brousch> Wow
[11:55] <brousch> Dropping IE8 is bad
[11:56] <rick_h_> it's years from now
[11:56] <brousch> Windows XP can only have IE8
[11:56] <rick_h_> right, and XP is damn near what? 10-11 years old
[11:56] <brousch> It is supported until 2014
[11:56] <rick_h_> right when this change goes into effect
[11:57] <rick_h_> the 1.9 will be supported until 2014/15
[11:57] <brousch> Hm
[11:57] <brousch> XP will live forever
[11:58] <rick_h_> enjoy broken things then
[11:58] <rick_h_> I can't go pull out OS9 and expect to have safari on it
[11:59] <rick_h_> the party has to end sometime, thank goodness it's starting
[11:59] <brousch> It does sound reasonable, but I think the announcement long before the EOL is confusing. I mean, who reads the article?
[11:59] <rick_h_> lol
[11:59] <rick_h_> well I think they feel that they have to be very public and let everyone get their crap together
[12:00] <rick_h_> "this is the plan...this will effect you...you will have to work along side us on this or else your stuff will be broken in IE<8 in a couple of years
[12:01] <brousch> What kind of web technoogy plans years ahead?
[12:01] <brousch> Crazy-talk
[12:02] <rick_h_> jquery, the windows of the web world...and they want to put their XP out to pasture as well and get to 2.0
[12:06] <shakes808> mroning
[12:06] <shakes808> morning
[12:07] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5931rOHdUVA&feature=player_embedded lol
[12:19] <brousch> rick_h_: Are you and snap-l staying at the Blackwell again for PyOhio?
[12:23] <shakes808> http://shirt.woot.com/
[12:23] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I need to call on that
[12:24] <brousch> There will be 5 or 6 of us from GRPUG, but we're staying at the Red Roof Inn again
[12:30] <Blazeix> eh, just use conditional comments to target older versions of IE
[12:33] <rick_h_> yea, the comments go nuts on that as 'ugly' and 'no conditional comments in ie10' and more work, etc
[12:33] <rick_h_> I'm meh, but a quick run through the comments suprised me on how much people are against the move
[12:38] <brousch> They will probably end up with a separate package to support really old browser
[12:39] <rick_h_> fork it! fork it!
[12:41] <brousch> fork you!
[12:47] <brousch> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/ZhoXzDMziGQ/adobe-stops-flash-player-support-for-android
[12:48] <brousch> As much as I hate flash, it was one of the things Android had that iOS didn't
[12:48] <brousch> And with Chrome on iOS, Android no longer has that as an advantage either
[12:53] <rick_h_> heh yea, but all the iOS peeps are finding the issues with it
[12:54] <rick_h_> "oh, you don't get access to the nitro JS engine, only apple gets that so JS is slower"
[12:54] <rick_h_> "oh, you can't change iOS to open links in Chrome, so you still end up in safari all day"
[12:56] <brousch> heh
[14:09] <brousch> Hm, it seems strange that I have to write my own script to easily install pip for python3.2
[14:09] <brousch> Am I missing something, or do I need to manually get and install Distribute, then get and install Pip?
[14:40] <jrwren> rick_h_: your next yrs goals should be to convince folks to discontinue the products and move to git and github.
[14:41] <jrwren> ... or... compete with git and github head on. competition is good.
[14:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: :P
[14:53] <brousch> A launchpad -> github migration tool
[14:54] <rick_h_> yep, just let me know when github suports bugs against packages in different distributions/versions, upstream bug tracking, package building
[14:56] <brousch> See, there's still work for you to do even if you do migrate ;)
[16:37] <snap-l> Howdy
[16:37] <rick_h_> party
[16:37] <snap-l> Was head-down geting some automation working
[16:38] <rick_h_> now that it's automated time to go home for friday?
[16:38] <snap-l> Nothing more nerve-wracking than a silently-running process.
[16:38] <rick_h_> heh, you're speaking my day
[16:38] <rick_h_> INSERT 0 1
[16:38] <snap-l> did it finish? Did it bomb? Did it order 1 million mojitos?
[16:38] <rick_h_> "you still goin?!"
[16:40] <greg-g> snap-l: so you just inserted a whole bunch of println's, right?
[16:41] <greg-g> "I'm getting ready to call THIS function"
[16:41] <greg-g> "I just excited THIS function"
[16:41] <greg-g> excited? exited.
[16:45] <snap-l> ;)
[16:45] <snap-l> There's debug logging, but it's still nervous-making
[16:49] <rick_h_> "ah crap, that comma is out of place" ...starts the run again
[16:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ugh
[16:51] <snap-l> greg-g: Did you see my pastebin re that band that wanted to be played on OMC?
[16:51] <snap-l> Unfortunately I don't think anything came of it yet.
[16:52] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/ZGm64vbGFP9GmT85R2U4/ <- last mail I sentt to them
[16:57] <snap-l> Dippy network just blipped
[17:25] <snap-l> And now to hide in the land of AC
[17:25] <snap-l> aka the bedroom
[18:06] <snap-l> Man, my network is really flaky today
[18:08] <brousch> This Botbrew Python on android thing has turned into quite the hackfest
[18:08] <brousch> The current pip is broken on certain systems, so I have to install the development pip into the system and into each virtualenv
[18:11] <rick_h_> brousch: but at least there's an updated pip to get I guess
[18:11] <brousch> But, the upside is that I can create virtualenvs on Android
[18:11] <rick_h_> very cool
[18:11] <rick_h_> I look forward to seeing how far you get with it come next month
[18:11] <brousch> Yeah, it looks like my forked virtualenv is not longer needed, which is nice
[18:13] <brousch> Well at this point you should be able to develop in a virtualenv on Android using any pure python module and any module that is in the embedian repo, which is a smaller, ARM-based version of the debian repo
[18:14] <brousch> Sorry, emdebian repo
[18:15] <brousch> http://www.emdebian.org/grip/index.html
[18:21] <brousch> You do need a rooted phone to run BotBrew Basil, and an ext2 partition on your SD card to hold the virtualenvs
[18:28] <brousch> I definitely need to blog this before I forget it all
[18:29] <rick_h_> definitely, wiki/readme docs setup
[18:43] <brousch> And biggidy-bam django running on Android in a virtualenv
[18:46] <_stink_> crayzay
[18:49] <greg-g> why not? constant 3g connection (for various definitions of "constant") and more power than many webservers 10 years ago, why not run your homepage off your phone?
[18:50] <jrwren> too easy to dos
[18:50] <greg-g> :)
[18:52] <brousch> greg-g: You can't connect to it over 3g
[18:52] <brousch> All of the mobile phone services firewall incoming connections
[18:58] <greg-g> oh, right
[18:58] <greg-g> well then, screw that
[18:58] <greg-g> ;)
[18:58] <greg-g> there was some talk I watch a little bit off that talked about this, I forget who/where but I'm sure it's been talked about a lot. I think he mentioned that, but I apparently forgot
[19:00] <brousch> My goal is to be able to develop regular Python programs on Android, with all of the niceties like virtualenv
[19:28] <jrwren> but maybe you'll get ipv6 in the future :)
[19:29] <brousch> It is perfectly understandable. Image everyone's phone exposed to the unfiltered Internet
[19:29] <brousch> Imagine
[19:32] <greg-g> Imagine all the people... living life in peace whoo ooo ooo uuuu
[19:34] <snap-l> Yeah I don't think we're ready for phones to be on the unfiltered internet
[19:35] <brousch> I don't put anything except a firewall on the unfiltered internet
[19:35] <greg-g> I already put Rowan on the unfiltered internet, he brought down half of the west coast
[19:36] <brousch> Impressive
[19:36] <greg-g> Google sent him a recruiter email
[19:36] <greg-g> (actually, I got a Google recruiter email for my python experience, hahahahaha)
[19:38] <greg-g> (I think it is because I'm listed as a dev for Gwibber, which was really all of like 30 lines of code)
[19:40] <snap-l> greg-g: THat's more than I've contributed to Gwibber. ;)
[19:40] <greg-g> most of mine was even copy/paste edit the few lines that need to change
[19:42] <snap-l> https://code.launchpad.net/~craig-decafbad/gwibber/https-support
[19:43] <snap-l> (it was rejected)
[19:50] <jrwren> my linux box is on unfiltered internet right now, with no firewall.
[19:50] <jrwren> iptables is empty.
[19:50] <jrwren> am I crazy?
[19:51] <greg-g> but it also isn't listening on many ports
[19:58] <brousch> Any other east siders going to PyOhio?
[19:59] <greg-g> (I don't really get the unfiltered internet scare)
[20:01] <brousch> That's because you don't run Windows
[20:02] <snap-l> brousch: Probably, but not sure who
[20:02] <snap-l> jrwren: No, you worked in academia for too long. ;)
[20:03] <snap-l> greg-g: The filtered internet is to ensure that you haven't left something open unintentionally
[20:04] <snap-l> ie: If I lock my gate, the liklihood of someone enterint my house through an opened window in the back yard is reduced
[20:04] <snap-l> (facing the back yard)
[20:04] <greg-g> bah :)
[20:04] <snap-l> bad analogy
[20:04] <snap-l> but you get the point
[20:10] <jrwren> i made sure to turn off mysql.
[20:10] <jrwren> it is listening on a lot.
[20:11] <jrwren> comcast filters the samba ports for me
[20:14] <greg-g> heh "for me"
[20:19] <snap-l> My router is my firewall
[20:19] <snap-l> checked it with Shields Up!
[20:21] <greg-g> lol "Without your knowledge or explicit permission, the Windows networking technology which connects your computer to the Internet may be offering some or all of your computer's data to the entire world at this very moment!"
 In Evernote the whole thing is indexed and searchable
[23:30] <brousch> rick_h_: Did you order a Nexus 7?
[23:30] <rick_h_> yea
[23:30] <brousch> No more Kindle?
[23:30] <rick_h_> I'll read on the kindle
[23:30] <rick_h_> I want the tablet for other stuff and to tinker with mobile dev on it
[23:31] <rick_h_> thinking stuff like watching these youtube google io talks, irc/email and such in post-work hours
[23:31] <brousch> I love hacking the crap out of my Nook Color
[23:31] <rick_h_> but mainly my dev itch to play with web dev on different mobile form factors and maybe eventually get off my @#$#@ and try out some android stuff
[23:32] <rick_h_> yea, why I like this, it's a nexus, all the reviews raving on the hardware, and price point is low enough that if I end up not really digging it, I can sell it without much loss I'd bet
[23:33] <brousch> Yeah, low cost is nice, and 7" is the perfect size
[23:33] <derekv> new rule, patent enforcement must show that a method was stolen or copied, not mearly mimicked, emulated or independently conceived
[23:35] <brousch> New rule: all judges must be able to program
[23:38] <derekv> a plausible theory of irreparable harm long-term loss of market share and losses of downstream sales will now be put forward by apple against all other existing corporations
[23:39] <derekv> just think of the billions of dollars apple losses due to the fact that other organizations exist.
[23:48] <rick_h_> anyone using firefox for android? I can't seem to find a way for the sync to let me pull up tabs off my desktop browser
[23:49] <derekv> i use it sometimes but i've never hooked it up to syn
[23:49] <derekv> i should
[23:49] <derekv> I guess
[23:49] <derekv> my phone feels really slow
[23:49] <brousch> i haven't tried tab sync
[23:50] <rick_h_> it doesn't seem to do it from what i can tell
[23:51] <brousch> Trying it now. Activating sync
[23:52] <rick_h_> let me know if you get it to do it
[23:57] <brousch> I can see desktop tabs on my phone
[23:57] <rick_h_> where at?
[23:58] <brousch> Way down at the bottom, tiny link
[23:58] <brousch> "Show all tabs"
[23:59] <rick_h_> hmm, is that firefox for firefox beta?


 ummmmm
 i think that CodiMD is broken
 because it doesn't have any users in its DB
 @teward001 [i think that CodiMD is broken], You broke it right?
 which we can blame on Simon for not setting up right
 @teward001 [because it doesn't have any users in its DB], Oh wat
 nope it's always been broken
 @teward001 [which we can blame on Simon for not setting up right], Hahahaha
 swell
 yeah I had to go the HARD WAY into the DB
 APPARENTLY
 it never wrote User Data to the DB
 Very uncool of it
 so it's just been humming in 'tmp cache mode'
 yep
 @tsimonq2 oddly enough
 the notes are still present
 but not user logins
 Bahahahaha
 Interesting
 can we get the notes?
 actually wait a minute let me... dig...
 *goes the evil way*
 At the very least the release notes?
 we ahve 4 notes stored in the DB
 one is the default start noe
 there's 3 others
 i have to manually extract it
 which is a PITA
 give me a few
 Okay that's not as funny...
 sorry for that, i'll take what you can get at this point.
 yeah give me a minute i have a SQL dump going to dump it locally for export
 rather than futz with Docker
 Ok thanks, take your time.
 Hurry up :P
 *shoots @kc2bez*
 holy... WOW this is fubar
 however Codi wrote their SQL stuff
 they need shot
 @teward001 [*shoots @kc2bez*], I deserve that. :D
 i have your release notes
 sweet!
 CODI is fubar and gonna get purged for a redo
 so where do you want the notes?
 we COULD use the ubuntu etherpad still
 i finally figured out how the heck it works again xD
 @tsimonq2 and no touching!  >.>
 etherpad works
 ack, give me a few minutes
 sure sounds good.
 @kc2bez https://pad.ubuntu.com/XiZ9NKBtAr see if you can get here
 HaHa Those are codimd release notes. XD
 oops :/
 i can't read then
 hang on
 it might not have the notes then
 i have the DB dump at least
 @teward001 [i can't read then], We knew this :P
 ... yikes
 okay so its gone i think
 No worries. … Thanks for trying.
 CodiMD wrote NOTHING to the DB
 ever
 so it was running in RAM cached mode
 and i think that's because the docker stuff was futzed
 wild
 SO
 i'm going to purge the existing CODI
 and redeploy it
 Makes sense.
 BUT I'm also talking to Altispeed to see if they can allocate more resources (or if we can migrate this) because we're on OLD AS BALLS LXD containers
 and I need to start launching these as VMs under LXD 4.0
 for better fun stuff
 Yeah, big improvements there.
 but we're on old as crap stuff
 SO
 @kc2bez @tsimonq2 the remaining contianers are TINY
 do you mind if I copy em off to my LXD server for backup?  I gave y'all a dedicated VM for LXD xD
 We should have a copy, yes.
 ok
 @kc2bez and everyoneL
 going to temporarily power down the LXD containers
 and copy them
 then bring em back up one at a time
 starting with CodiMD after I Get it configged
 well... looks like it won't even launch anymore :/
 so CodiMD (and notes.lubuntu.me) is down for now
 i'mma have to investigate this on my side, maybe spin it new and deploy it.  Or wait for Altispeed to get back to me
[03:53] <guiverc> c'est la vie, thanks for your efforts teward
 yep, but it's fubar anyways so lets leave it offline :P
 *yawns and goes offline for sleep*
 guiverc: I'd LOVE to get us on newer LXD but I can't do that unfortunately
[03:57] <guiverc> ack
[05:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6f991b32db19: Make order more linear top-bottom for volume control applet] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6f991b32db19
[14:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> oof.
[14:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> Finally after an hour's poking around in meld and smerge and many .diffs
[14:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> I remember how I had achieved the perfect merge manually.
[14:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> @RikMills you know a tool simillar to meld? I am using meld rn but can't exactly get it to do what I want.
 https://git-scm.com/docs/git-mergetool
 "Use the merge resolution program specified by <tool>. Valid values include emerge, gvimdiff, kdiff3, meld, vimdiff, and tortoisemerge. Run git mergetool --tool-help for the list of valid <tool> settings."
 Not tried most of those, but maybe there is one there you find better?
[14:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> The thing is, right now, I create 2 .diffs, oldubuntuver-debversion.diff and oldubuntuver-newubuntuver.diff . To have a perfect merge, I git apply 1st one with --exclude=*files in 2nd one* Then I apply the oldubuntuver-newubuntuver.diff
[14:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> This gets everything right. (Tested twice)
[14:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> * almost everything
[14:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> the rules file needs to be manually edited a bit to include some remaining ubuntu-side tweaks.
[14:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> I want some tool that would directly create a good .diff from those two .diffs I mentioned above
[15:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> Can someone help with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TVFvrCqBKz/ ?
[15:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ @RikMills @kc2bez @tsimonq2 wxl:
[16:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 the libxqt package in phab is behind the one in archives. which in turn is 4 versions behind upstream. How do I sync it with the one in archives?
[16:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl:
[16:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> anyone else?
[16:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> the same goes for libsysstat.
[16:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> can't merge unless we get them level with archives.
[16:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> same for nm-tray
[16:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> same for pcmanfm-qt
 most of the syncs were probably broken when CI and other things exploded
 you'll all be catching up on backlogs
[16:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> we didn't have anything to sync from archives to phab right?
[16:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, we don't have qterminal in our packageset?
[16:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/focal/lubuntu
[16:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ can't find it here
[16:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> but it is in broken state in Merge-o-matic
[16:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> here: https://merges.ubuntu.com/q/
[17:20] <kc2bez> At a quick glance @The_LoudSpeaker it looks like you may be missing a .install file.
[17:21] <kc2bez> For compton-conf ^
 Actually, An install file is added
 In the new deb version
[17:29] <kc2bez> I have to run but my best advice is to give a look at Debian https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/compton-conf
 I found out that compton-conf lacks "tooltip" configuration which is essential for "grouped windows"
[19:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T156: Add tooltip config in compton-conf] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T156
[23:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL191daf531af1: Make order top down what appears on context menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL191daf531af1


[00:00] <Stormx2`> They were seperate conversations. I'd come into the channel and not even read that.
[00:00] <Stormx2`> I was commenting on XKCD. It was hardly about oral sex or something.
[00:00] <ompaul> you were asked not to continue - then you debated the call
[00:00] <ompaul> bad idea
[00:00] <ompaul> if a call is made it usually has good reason with it
[00:00] <ompaul> so leave it to the ops please
[00:01] <Stormx2`> good idea, I don't see how anyone can justify stiffling reasonable debate. Sorry I started it in the wrong channel but even so :/
[00:01] <nalioth> Stormx2`: Ubuntu isn't here for "debate" of any kind
[00:02] <nalioth> we provide #ubuntu-offtopic as a channel to discuss non help stuff
[00:02] <Stormx2`> I'm well aware you do so.
[00:02] <ompaul> Stormx2`, so ehh why you here?
[00:03] <Stormx2`> A couple of reasons:
[00:03]  * ompaul waits for a moment
[00:04] <Stormx2`> 1) To contest that "blows" does any damage to anyone in the channel 2) To complain that I was kicked AND banned because I debated the decision. I would have come in here or brought it to PM if I though that was what you wanted.
[00:04] <ompaul> 2) now you know
[00:04] <ompaul> 1) it was a context even if you were not aware of it
[00:04] <Stormx2`> But was that the best way of telling me? With a ban?
[00:04] <ompaul> 0) now lets get on with it
[00:05] <mneptok> Stormx2`: i gave you *plenty* of opportunity to back off and let the subject drop.
[00:05] <ompaul> the fact is you were asked to back off
[00:05] <Stormx2`> Okay, final thing. Where do you draw the line on !ohmy. I mean "blows" is pretty low down on the vulgar scale but things are lower. You must draw it somewhere.
[00:05] <ompaul> no
[00:05] <ompaul> there is no line - only context and common sense
[00:05] <ompaul> and when I say that it means that the line position may change given conditions
[00:06] <LjL> Stormx2`, no, there are many lines that just cannot arbitrarily be drawn no matter how hard we'd try. and hey, if there *were* a way to draw such lines with inequivocable clearness, we'd just have a bot instead of ops.
[00:06] <Stormx2`> Bots can't understand context.
[00:06]  * mneptok is actually ~3500 lines of Python
[00:06] <LjL> Stormx2`: and indeed we have ops.
[00:06] <mneptok> Stormx2`: and neither can people who, by their own admission, just joined a channel
[00:06] <LjL> mneptok: that's your problem, the language.
[00:07] <Stormx2`> mneptok, wait, what?
[00:07] <Stormx2`> I understand the context of my own remarks, thanks very much.
[00:07] <Stormx2`> o.O
[00:07] <Stormx2`> When I joined doesn't come into that.
[00:08] <Stormx2`> Anyway
[00:08]  * nickrud thinks mneptok needs an upgrade
[00:08] <Stormx2`> Whatever. I still thing it's very knitpicky.
[00:08] <Stormx2`> But point taken, I'll contest things in here.
[00:08] <Stormx2`> You guys do a good job 99.9% of the time :)
[00:08] <ompaul> Stormx2`, your context is not in debate here - as for knitpicking when you point one finger several others point back in your direction
[00:08] <ompaul> Stormx2`, please drop it now
[00:09] <Stormx2`> ompaul: I was about to. Those were my closing remarks o.O
[00:09] <ompaul> with that I point to the topic of this channel and bit you a good day
[00:09] <Stormx2`> Kay, cya
[00:09] <ompaul> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[00:10] <ompaul> the full moon is out :)
[00:10] <nickrud> irc op is punishment indeed
[00:11]  * ompaul whips self to remind self
[00:43] <nalioth> do we have a macedonian language channel?
[02:02] <mneptok> !mk
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <ubotu> SNuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (CSlime)
[03:15] <nalioth> a troll.
[03:15] <nalioth> pure and unadulterated.
[03:28] <mneptok> aye
[03:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:28] <Hobbsee> and -uncensored is wondering why he got klined
[03:32] <nalioth> Hobbsee: oh?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> nalioth: aren't you there?
[03:33] <nalioth> yes, in another shell
[03:34] <nalioth> had to go look at it
[03:34] <nalioth> you are aware of why, right?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> trolling, apparently.  i'm not in -offtopic
[03:35] <nalioth> ahh, you missed it.
[03:35] <nalioth> it was classic
[03:36] <Hobbsee>  /query me with it?
[04:02] <mneptok> ugh.
[04:03] <mneptok> plz eat DrDerek kthxbai
[06:19] <PriceChild> Its an ompaul!
[06:20] <ompaul> PriceChild, 10 points for a correct answer, and your next question is what time is it?
[06:26] <PriceChild> Its "too early" o'clock
[06:26] <nalioth> not for trolls
[06:26] <nalioth> unfortunately
[06:27] <PriceChild> Uu a nalioth too.
[06:27] <ompaul> PriceChild, did not not feel the network quake
[06:27] <PriceChild> ompaul: hmm?
[06:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, me n mr n at the same time
[06:29] <PriceChild> ahh
[06:29] <PriceChild> scary stuff
[06:31]  * PriceChild checks out nin
[06:31] <nalioth> PriceChild: ghosts.nin.com
[06:31] <ompaul> its a bit early for that
[06:31] <PriceChild> nalioth: yup already got it :)
[06:31] <PriceChild> thanks
[07:59] <ubotu> credible called the ops in #ubuntu (basketball589)
[08:56] <jussi01> Morning lads and ladies
[09:35] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, i'm pretty sure there'll be few people lining up to report drderek missing if he were to meet such circumstances... ie... kick him if he gets even stupider
[09:35] <Amaranth> indeed
[12:33] <AndrewB> Am I not right in guessing that ubotu changed owners recently?
[12:35] <AndrewB> !User list --capability=owner
[12:35] <AndrewB> ubotu: User list --capability=owner
[12:35] <AndrewB> =/
[12:36] <AndrewB> oh it is Seveas still
[13:26] <Mez> !botabuse | AndrewB :P
[13:26] <ubotu> AndrewB :P: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[13:26] <Pici> Tsk tsk
[13:27] <Mez> Pici, ? me or AndrewB ?
[13:27] <Pici> AndrewB ;)
[13:27] <Mez> :P
[13:28] <AndrewB> heh
[13:29] <AndrewB> Mez: approve me on the GB translators dammit or you will be getting bot abuse! ;)
[13:30] <Mez> AndrewB, /msg
[14:14] <Pici> hmm http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/sortChannel/channel=%23ubuntu-offtopic
[14:15] <jussi01> hmmm, which bot?
[14:15] <Pici> dunno
[14:15] <Pici> Amaranth is looking... or is going to kick everyone
[14:17] <Amaranth> I fired off an email too
[14:18] <Amaranth> Mez: Get anything interesting?
[14:18] <Amaranth> it's probably stealthed like those other log bots
[14:18] <Pici> Besides an imprint of Seveas's shoe?
[14:19] <Amaranth> Seveas: Your script is messed up, you didn't drop the +o
[14:19] <Pici> Amaranth: He never does, I think its on purpose
[14:19] <Amaranth> Alright, lets go through a list here
[14:19] <Amaranth> aoupi
[14:19] <Amaranth> anyone know who that is?
[14:19] <Pici> yes
[14:19] <Mez> Amaranth, I might have
[14:19] <Amaranth> Aranel
[14:19] <Mez> -Eneloop- VERSION Orbit Technology v1.6.18
[14:19] <Amaranth> good enough for me
[14:20] <Mez> -Aranel- VERSION Seni Ilgilendirmeyen Bir Surum
[14:20] <Amaranth> weird nick, never heard of them, never seen them talk before
[14:20] <Mez> hmm I also got
 pissoff now or ill get you, i know who you are and whare you live
[14:20] <Amaranth> then again...
[14:20] <jussi01> lovely
[14:21] <Amaranth> eneloop joined again way too fast
[14:21] <Mez> !CoC | zenrox
[14:21] <ubotu> zenrox: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[14:21] <Mez> !CoC > zenrox
[14:21] <Amaranth> I don't know anyone but us that autorejoins on force part except us
[14:21] <Amaranth> That looked more like "oops, i left this channel, better get back in to log"
[14:22] <Amaranth> is #ubuntu logged too?
[14:22] <Pici> No
[14:22] <Pici> http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status
[14:22] <Amaranth> Yes
[14:22] <Pici> yes?
[14:22] <Amaranth> http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/sortChannel/channel=%23ubuntu
[14:22] <Amaranth> and Eneloop is in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:22] <Pici> I'd see what users are in those freenode channels and cross reference them between each other
[14:23] <Amaranth> I'd banforward random people to here but then they might start logging here :P
[14:23] <LjL> arrr
[14:24] <Mez> Freenode Channels where bot is on: #zftalk #ubuntu-offtopic,#trac,#symfony,#adium,'madwifi,#debianfr
[14:24] <Amaranth> Mez: But they are apparently logging #ubuntu too
[14:24] <Pici> I think its a neat idea, but I don't remember anyone asking to do it.
[14:24] <Mez> yes, but Currently thats offline
[14:24] <Amaranth> or they were 24 hours ago
[14:24] <jussi01> #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-fr #ubuntu-offtopic are all listed in the list at the bottom of the links page
[14:25] <Amaranth> damnit, i need a small channel :P
[14:25] <LjL> summarize for me please - we have a couple of bots (eneloop, aranel...? with different version replies?) logging links that are said on channels - correct?
[14:25] <Amaranth> We don't know who the bots are but yes, we have bot(s) in multiple channels logging links
[14:25] <Pici> LjL: http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/sortChannel/channel=%23ubuntu-offtopic
[14:25] <jussi01> LjL: that sounds about right to me
[14:26] <LjL> Pici: yes i've clicked
[14:26] <Pici> LjL: ah, okay :)
[14:26] <Pici> Wasn't sure if you missed the link
[14:26] <LjL> so they've been there for ages
[14:26] <LjL> well, weeks
[14:26] <Amaranth> looks like 3 weeks to a month
[14:26] <LjL> "aranel" rings a bell somehow
[14:27] <PriceChild> Why don't we just figure out how long 10027 is and see who joined then
[14:27] <LjL> Pici: how long what is?
[14:27] <LjL> err, price
[14:27] <PriceChild> Well t hat page infers they've been online 10027 seconds...?
[14:27] <LjL> they have?
[14:28] <LjL> well
[14:28] <LjL> tell you in a moment
[14:28] <PriceChild> doesn't it?
[14:28] <Amaranth> that's almost 3 hours
[14:28] <PriceChild> http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status
[14:28] <LjL> yeah indeed that's nothing
[14:28] <PriceChild> Amaranth: pardon?
[14:28] <PriceChild> LjL: pardon?
[14:28] <Amaranth> --> sen3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:28] <Amaranth> --> benzss<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:28] <Amaranth> <-- tonyyarusso has quit (Nick collision from services.)
[14:28] <Amaranth> --> tonyyarusso (n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:28] <Amaranth> --> neeto<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic

[14:29] <Amaranth> so it'd be sen3, benzss, tonyyarusso, or neeto :P
[14:29] <LjL> 12:42:37 03/04/08
[14:29] <LjL> is 10027 seconds ago
[14:29] <LjL> CET
[14:30] <Amaranth> sen3 is not there
[14:30] <Amaranth> benzss is in too many channels that don't fit
[14:30] <jussi01> Amaranth: not tonyyarusso hehe
[14:30] <Amaranth> jussi01: i know :P
[14:30] <jussi01> :P
[14:31] <Amaranth> and neeto is not there
[14:31] <Amaranth> so that number either isn't seconds or doesn't mean anything
[14:31] <PriceChild> are you sure? I calculate it being nearer 11:40 utc, DOOM_NX
[14:32] <Amaranth> ah, right, i was a few minutes off
[14:32] <LjL> PriceChild: i checked with 10027, course it's changed now...
[14:32] <Amaranth> stupid rounding
[14:32] <LjL> 11:39:35 03/04/08 UTC
[14:33] <Amaranth> DOOM_NX is in channels that aren't being logged
[14:33] <PriceChild> yup
[14:33] <PriceChild> He's not a bot.
[14:33] <Mez> The status page also says that he's in #debianfr
[14:34] <Amaranth> this is so frustrating
[14:34] <Mez> I've whoised all in there cept the ops, and none of them are in -offtopic
[14:34] <Amaranth> so it's multiple bots then
[14:34] <LjL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58372/ this is for -ot
[14:35] <Mez> no ops are in there either
[14:35] <Amaranth> gah, why is debian so broken
[14:36] <LjL> they *aren't* (afawk) in any channels that aren't listed at http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status though, are they?
[14:37] <Amaranth> Alright, I don't have time for this
[14:37]  * Amaranth goes back to hating debian for making his work harder
[14:37] <Mez> They're not in some of the channels eitehr....
[14:37] <Pici> hmm
[14:37] <Mez> (#scrutator I've looked on lango, efnet, they're not there
[14:38] <jussi01> I suspect there is more than one bot, and they have different bots in deifferent channels correct?
[14:38] <Pici> I was about to say it was 'beasty' but hes not in all of the freenode channels
[14:38] <LjL> jussi01: yes
[14:38] <LjL> #ubuntu is offline now
[14:39] <Amaranth> well that rules eneloop out
[14:39] <LjL> the entire freenode is offline now
[14:40] <Pici> hm
[14:40] <LjL> #symfony: [15:40:02] --> Albah has joined this channel (n=Albah@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[14:40] <Mez> do we have anyone matching <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:40] <LjL> /whois albah
[14:40] <Myrtti> whazzup
[14:40] <Pici> seems likely
[14:40] <LjL> Pici: not likely, it's it
[14:40] <Pici> Myrtti: hi! we're playing detective today
[14:40] <Myrtti> cool
[14:40] <PriceChild> Mez: going through a load to see
[14:41] <Amaranth> Well that solves that
[14:41] <Mez> Albah is the name that was given to a bot ...
[14:41] <LjL> it *says* the name of the bot on the site :)
[14:41] <Mez> (it mentions albah on the site)
[14:41] <Pici> I must have mispelled it when I did the whois the first time
[14:41] <Mez> It's in #u-t now too
[14:41] <Mez> which I didnt see before
[14:42] <Amaranth> u-t?
[14:42] <Mez> * [Albah] #ubuntu-offtopic #python.de #symfony #madwifi #zftalk #ruby #adium #seagull
[14:42] <Mez> u-ot
[14:42] <Amaranth> not anymore
[14:42] <Mez> looks like it was just rebooted too :D
[14:42] <Mez> 97s online
[14:43] <LjL> yeah it just joined
[14:43] <Amaranth> Banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:44] <Mez> where's .lu ?
[14:44] <jussi01> lithuania?
[14:44] <Mez> They've just launched another few bots too..
[14:45] <LjL> luxemburg
[14:45] <Amaranth> Luxumbourg?
[14:45] <Amaranth> i never spell that right
[14:45] <LjL> me neither
[14:45] <Mez> * [RedDwarf] (~RedDwarf@lango-5CD71EA1.lo2k.net): None
[14:45] <Mez> * [RedDwarf] #scrutator
[14:45] <Pici> .lu  Luxembourg
[14:45] <Mez> thats a masked address on another server for another bot
[14:46] <LjL> Mez: on another network right?
[14:46] <Mez> LjL - yeah
[14:46] <Mez> and
[14:46] <Mez> * [scrutator] (~scrutator@oil-ocean.lo2k.net): None
[14:46] <LjL> well, no *.lo2k.net on freenode
[14:47] <Mez> LjL, we cant see that ...
[14:47] <Mez> I dont think
[14:47] <Pici> And concidering the one bot isnt set +s (?) I dont think the others would be
[14:47] <LjL> Mez: well, yeah if they are +i we can't, but given i'm in all channels they claim to monitor, i should see them
[14:48] <LjL> Pici: +i
[14:48] <LjL> Pici: +s is for channels
[14:48] <Mez> Dave2, fancy checking if there are any annoying lil bleeders from that mask ?
[14:48] <Pici> LjL: Hence the question mark :)
[14:49] <jussi01> Pici: how did you come across that site in the first place?
[14:49] <Mez> I swear I saw Dave2 around a second ago
[14:50] <Pici> jussi01: magnetron pasted it in #u-ot, I think he was googling for himself
[14:50] <jussi01> ahh, ok then
[14:50] <LjL> Pici: you question, i answer
[14:51]  * Mez may have also found some more bots
[14:53] <Dave2> I see nothing related. And why does my xchat keep hanging.
[14:53] <Mez> Dave2, cause xchat sucks ?
 Albah: Are you a bot?
 Amaranth: You do not have permission to access this page when the sun and moon and stars are you.
[14:55] <Mez> LMAO I didn't notice that
[14:55] <jussi01> hehe
[14:57] <Mez> * scrutator<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #scrutator <-- FQDN (unmasked) from efnet
[14:59] <LjL> Dave2, can you make me contact for #ubuntu-lt please?
[15:07] <Mez> Dave2 is the shineh
[15:07] <LjL> noticed...
[15:07] <LjL> gary, please?
[15:07] <Gary> LjL: canna do that yet
[15:07] <Gary> Dave2 should, or better still ask nalioth
[15:07] <LjL> both unavailable it seems
[15:07]  * Mez slaps Dave2
[15:07] <Dave2> ow
[15:08] <LjL> eh... you were marked away now
[15:08] <Mez> LjL, hehe - but he's also chatting in another channel ;0
[15:08] <Mez> Dave2, fancy a drink later?
[15:08] <Mez> I think you owe me one from last time ;)
[15:08] <Dave2> Hah, I have far too much work to get done and 10 days to get it done in
[15:10] <Dave2> LjL, want me to drop the channel and op you so you can register?
[15:10] <Dave2> with a fresh channel setup
[15:10] <LjL> Dave2: same for me
[15:10] <Gary> LjL: is that a L for -lt  and if so where is lt?
[15:10] <Dave2> Lithuania
[15:10] <Gary> oh, d'oh
[15:11] <LjL> Dave2: thanks
[15:11] <Dave2> I'll take that as a yes :P
[15:11] <Gary> should have known that, what with all the broken lt cars in our carpark (motorway rescue)
[15:11] <Mez> Dave2, So that's a no then ?
[15:11] <Dave2> ?
 Dave2, fancy a drink later?
 I think you owe me one from last time ;)
 Hah, I have far too much work to get done and 10 days to get it done in
[15:12] <Dave2> ah, yes, I really need to get this done. no idea how I'm going to \o/
[15:12] <Mez> so no beer ? :(
[15:12] <Dave2> indeed
[15:13] <Mez> meh
[15:13] <jussi01> Mez: Ill shout you 2 beers if you make it to my local :P
[15:13] <Mez> jussi01, which is wher E?
[15:14] <jussi01> Mez: Oulu, Finland :P
[15:14] <Mez> bit far from me
[15:15] <jussi01> yeah, figures...
[15:15] <jussi01> you might not like the weather either
[15:15] <Mez> It's actually vaguely sunny here
[15:16] <jussi01> we have a nice -9 here :) http://weather.willab.fi/weather.html
[15:16] <jussi01> that weather station is about 1km from my house :D
[15:16] <Daviey> we have 8-9 here (or that is what my car said)
[15:17] <Daviey> "+"
[15:17] <jussi01> hehe
[15:17]  * jussi01 is ~200kms from te arctic circle
[15:20] <Mez> 8ᴼ here
[15:24] <Mez> ⚠
[15:46] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, I see -9 and wonder what scale that is on..  you and I will both have weather in the high 60's today
[15:47] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: celsius
[15:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Is there a multiplier for that.. :)
[15:48] <Jack_Sparrow> 71 f here yesterday
[15:48] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: google has a good converter
[15:49] <Jack_Sparrow> 21.6 c to you
[15:49] <Jack_Sparrow> your -9 is our 15
[15:49] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: 16to you
[15:49] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: heh. Southern Cal has some advantages
[15:51] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: Id love 21 degrees mmmm... warmth
[15:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Our house was not heated until this year..... Took it out 15 years ago and never got around to putting one in.
[15:52] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: I die with out heating
[15:53] <Jack_Sparrow> I can believe that. To us it was not a big deal... Occasionally get up in the am and bake something to warm the house
[15:54] <Jack_Sparrow> take care, time for me to have breakfast and do some exercises.
[16:47] <LjL> is it just me or is there amazingly little activity in #ubuntu today
[16:48] <Amaranth> yeah, it's weird
[16:48] <Amaranth> it was busier than this overnight (US)
[16:48] <Amaranth> i suppose i could blame politics
[16:49] <Amaranth> but that's only a couple states
[16:49] <Seeker`> It does seem quite dead
[16:50] <Seeker`> I'm sure I could go and start spamming stuff if you are bored :P
[16:50] <Pici> It was busy this morning.
[16:52] <no0tic> probably it's the right time for my question :)
[16:55] <nalioth> Seeker`: you and nickserv fighting again?
[16:58] <Seeker`> nalioth: yup
[16:58] <Seeker`> nalioth: better?
[16:58] <Pici> yay
[17:07] <Mez> Question: What should we do if a user responds with a threatening message to a CTCP version?
[17:07] <Mez> /whois zenrox
[17:07] <Mez> /ctcp zenrox version
[17:08] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 11:08 CTCP VERSION reply from zenrox: xchat 2.8.4 Ubuntu             ??
[17:09] <nalioth> i see
[17:09] <Mez> nalioth, did you not get the message aswell?
[17:09] <nalioth> yes, it was up in the high numbers
[17:10] <Mez> ah, irssi ;)
[17:11] <nalioth> i've requested he change it
[17:11] <Mez> :)
[18:16] <Pici> Gah. What is with the bad advice today.
[18:23] <jdong> Pici: have you checked the forums?
[18:23]  * Pici gives up, goes to lunch
[20:33] <Seveas> !ping
[20:33] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[21:04] <Amaranth> Hey, I heard back from the logging guy
[21:04] <Amaranth> He says the bots are run by other people that just plug into his API
[21:04] <Amaranth> 'If you don't want this bot on your channel, please put channel in private. If channel is in "public", I presume logging is authorised.'
[21:04] <Amaranth> then he said to just ban it
[21:04] <Amaranth> which we did :D
[21:06] <nalioth> Amaranth: and klined
[21:12] <nalioth> can any of you power users tell me why my torrents and irc work fine but my web browsers and email client just sit and spin?
[21:20] <Amaranth> nalioth: DNS?
[21:21] <nalioth> Amaranth: how are the torrents finding their way?
[21:21] <PriceChild> dht?
[21:21] <tritium> Who grants ubuntu/member hostmasks?  Seveas?
[21:21] <Amaranth> nalioth: Peer Exchange is IP based
[21:21] <nalioth> tritium: the council
[21:21] <PriceChild> tritium: me, nal, lj.l or elky
[21:22] <tritium> PriceChild: ah, okay.  We have a newly-approved member in our LoCo that needs a hostmask.
[21:22] <PriceChild> tritium: send him in once he's followed http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to link two nicks and set an email :)
[21:23] <tritium> PriceChild: thanks.  gcleric did you see that?
[21:23] <PriceChild> gcleric: please follow http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to link two nicknames and set an email.
[21:23] <PriceChild> gcleric: Could I also have your launchpad url./
[21:23] <tritium> Thanks for your help, PriceChild.
[21:23] <nalioth> Amaranth: i can ping www.yahoo.com, too
[21:24] <nalioth> if it's DNS, it's not systemic
[21:24] <gcleric> PriceChild: https://launchpad.net/~grammatoncleric
[21:24] <nalioth> gcleric: please identify to services
[21:24] <tritium> PriceChild: I can provide you a link to the membership announcement on UWN, if you need.
[21:24] <gcleric> PriceChild: and I've registered my nick to gcleric
[21:25] <PriceChild> gcleric: equilibrium?
[21:25] <nalioth> PriceChild: of course
[21:25] <gcleric> yup...
[21:25] <gcleric> =)
[21:25] <PriceChild> gcleric: please identify to nickserv.
[21:25] <nalioth> gcleric: we cannot proceed until you're identified
[21:26] <gcleric>  /msg nickserv link gcleric wanqui-1
[21:27] <PriceChild> gcleric: please identify to services and change your password immediately.
[21:27] <tritium> remove leading space
[21:27] <PriceChild> gcleric: /msg nickserv set password <newpassword>
[21:27] <nalioth> gcleric: you cant link or do anything with your nickserv account until you identify to it
[21:27] <nalioth> you guys are putting the horse before the cart
[21:27] <nalioth> he needs to identify to nickserv
[21:29] <PriceChild> gcleric: yay you're identified. Please change your password immediately if you haven't already?
[21:30] <gcleric> done/
[21:30] <gcleric> sorry for taking so long I'm at work.
[21:31] <PriceChild> gcleric: so you've got a linked nickname and email set?
[21:31] <gcleric> yes, I believe so..
[21:34] <PriceChild> gcleric: ok cool, one moment while I find a staffer to apply the cloak :)
[21:34] <gcleric> thanks.
[21:34] <tritium> Many thanks, PriceChild, nalioth.
[21:35] <tritium> gcleric: do you know who to talk to for an @ubuntu.com email addy?
[21:35] <PriceChild> tritium: they are set up automanually, from days to a week or so.
[21:35] <PriceChild> I 'think' its elmo that takes care of them.
[21:35] <tritium> Ah, so he may already have it.  Thanks for the info.
[21:36] <gcleric> thanks so much.. =)
[21:36] <tritium> gcleric: try sending a test email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:36] <PriceChild> tritium: gcleric: you will get a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>address as that is your launchpad id.
[21:36] <tritium> ah, right, not gcleric
[21:37] <gcleric> =)
[21:37] <gcleric> testing now/
[21:39] <gcleric> does not appear to be setup yet.
[21:42] <gcleric> PriceChild: thanks for the help. =)
[21:45] <PriceChild> gcleric: no problem, please stick around until we get the cloak turned on
[21:48] <PriceChild> gcleric: You do not have a linked nick.
[21:49] <PriceChild> gcleric: please follow http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to setup a linked nick, ask if you need help with something.
[21:49] <tritium> PriceChild: I think he got called off to put out some fire at work.  He'll return shortly, hopefully.
[21:51] <PriceChild> tritium: An original excuse, will let him off this time.
[21:53] <tritium> :)
[21:53] <tritium> I'll return later as well...
[21:57] <gcleric> I'm back...
[22:00] <gcleric> PriceChild: done..
[22:01] <magnetron> hi, i'm wondering what the policy about bringing logging bots to #ubuntu-* channels is.
[22:01] <PriceChild> gcleric: could you paste the output of "/msg nickserv info gcleric" into a pm with me so I can check?
[22:02] <Amaranth_> 'the only mail I receive is from "open source" channels which don't like to have his links spread around the world.'
[22:02] <PriceChild> magnetron: the bot logging urls was klined from the network.
[22:02] <Amaranth_> 'I will add an "if" in my API just for you. I don't want to spread links from a community so close minded.'
[22:02] <Amaranth_> this guy is fun
[22:03] <magnetron> PriceChild: it came back, it's here again with the name Jyaku and hostname men75-1-81-57-40-39.fbx.proxad.net
[22:03] <PriceChild> magnetron: gimme a moment
[22:04] <Amaranth> arg
[22:04] <PriceChild> magnetron: What channels?
[22:04] <Amaranth> I just told this guy to cut it out
[22:05] <magnetron> PriceChild: #trac #ubuntu #seagull #ubuntu-fr #adium #zftalk #ubuntu-devel #python.de
[22:05] <PriceChild> (more than whois?)
[22:05] <PriceChild> Amaranth: the status page has been locked down to guests also.
[22:05] <Pici> heh
[22:05] <PriceChild> Amaranth: what was the trigger it responded to last time/
[22:06] <Amaranth> Jyaku: Are you a bot?
[22:06] <Amaranth> it just did it again in -devel
[22:07] <Amaranth> Apparently this guy wants to get his stuff completely banned from freenode...
[22:07] <Seeker`> whats going on?
[22:07] <magnetron> PriceChild: he was on the quakenet irc network too. i found the bot in a channel named #scrutator on that network. he was there, and the bot in that channel was named Mez with the real name Martin Meredith
[22:08] <magnetron> i would like to ask Mez if he knows anything about the bot
[22:08] <Pici> Are you sure that wasn't our Mez?
[22:09] <magnetron> Pici: it was the same nickname and real name, i was coming here to ask him about it.
[22:10] <Pici> magnetron: I believe its him, he was looking for the bots on at least efnet earlier today
[22:10] <magnetron> ok, so that's why
[22:11] <Amaranth> Yeah, he was tracking them across all the networks they were showing on their status page
[22:16] <LjL> http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status now gives "not authorized"
[22:16] <LjL> i suspect they want us to stop knowing the bot's name...
[22:16] <Amaranth> I told they guy he'd better just give up on freenode completely
[22:17] <ubotu> In ubotu, ryanakca said: kde4support is Please join #kubuntu-kde4 for support. See !KDE4
[22:17] <LjL> argh, again
[22:17] <LjL> !kde4
[22:17] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:17] <LjL> i *really* don't see why we should have a separate "support" factoid
[22:17] <PriceChild> agreed
[22:18] <nalioth> Amaranth: you've talked to the logbotmaster?
[22:18] <Amaranth> Yeah, he has/had a contact email on the site
[22:18] <LjL> nalioth, an operator of some channel sent them an e-mail about it (who and which channel, i don't remember, but i can check logs i suppose)
[22:18] <Amaranth> LjL: that'd be me?
[22:19] <nalioth> Amaranth: ah.
[22:19] <LjL> Amaranth, not sure, i don't think i looked at the nickname at all
[22:19] <nalioth> well, until they contact the staff, we're gonna keep klining them
[22:19] <Amaranth> First email said bots were not allowed without permission from the irc council and asked him to remove them, then he got pretty upset/hostile
[22:19] <Amaranth> Then I told him he should keep them off freenode completely as they are being actively looked for and klined
[22:19] <PriceChild> mmmmm humbug
[22:20] <Pici> Amaranth: Was that about when the status page became unavailable?
[22:20] <Amaranth> I just sent that second mail like 5 minutes ago
[22:20] <Amaranth> He probably took down the status page around the time he started emailing me though
[22:21] <Amaranth> Would have been about an hour ago
[22:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, ryanakca said: kde4 is <alias> kde4support
[22:21] <Pici> ...
[22:21] <LjL> i don't... *think*... so
[22:21] <PriceChild> I'll message him.
[22:21] <Amaranth> other way around?
[22:21] <Pici> I was going to suggest inviting him here, but whatever.
[22:21] <LjL> Pici: what i did
[22:21] <PriceChild> Pici: seems like someone has :)
[22:23] <LjL> PriceChild: oh look just pm
[22:23] <PriceChild> k
[22:26] <Amaranth> i wish i had some way of being notified when someone joins #adium and/or #trac at the same time as #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:27] <Pici> I was wishing for a way of comparing /names between two channels earlier today
[22:27] <LjL> Pici: heh we think alike
[22:27] <LjL> Pici: except i was going to compare /who (hostmasks)
[22:27] <Amaranth> that too
[22:27] <PriceChild> He wants it because the "support in -kde4" bit is all the way at the end
[22:27] <Amaranth> you guys use irssi, write a little script
[22:27] <Seeker`> couldn't you write a script that calls diff?
[22:28] <LjL> PriceChild, things are most prominent when they're either at the beginning or at the end of a message.
[22:28] <LjL> Seeker`, that's one way i suppose, but i think it's more complicated than it sounds
[22:29] <Pici> I just ended up throwing them into a file and running sort/uniq on them.
[22:29] <PriceChild> So what shall I say?
[22:29] <Pici> Hi!
[22:29] <Pici> "Have you asked your question on the forums yet?"
[22:29] <PriceChild> :)
[22:29] <Amaranth> @lart Pici
[22:29] <Amaranth> aww, i thought it worked here too
[22:30] <Pici> As did I
[22:31] <LjL> uh, is he around again
[22:35] <ryanakca> LjL: oops, sorry, didn't see the invites in my status window
[22:36] <LjL> ryanakca: well no problem, price talked to you about it i think
[22:38] <ryanakca> LjL: mind if I add Quizbuntu to the list of bots with cloaks on IrcTeam/Cloaks ?
[22:38] <LjL> ryanakca: since it has a cloak... no
[22:39] <ryanakca> LjL: /whois ?
[22:39] <ryanakca> oh, sorry
[22:40] <ryanakca> my bad, I thought you had say "since it has no cloak" :)
[22:41] <ryanakca> and, the page shows "ubuntu/member/nickname" and "ubuntu/bot/$nickname", mind if I remove the $?
[22:41] <LjL> ryanakca: make it italic perhaps
[22:41] <LjL> i mean, both
[22:41] <ryanakca> ok
[22:44] <Seeker`> are you guys hunting / removing log bots?
[22:45] <Amaranth> yes
[22:45] <Amaranth> did you find one?
[22:47] <Seeker`> Amaranth: No, just wanted to make sure that Mootbot was safe :)
[22:47] <LjL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[22:47] <LjL> it quite is
[22:48] <LjL> we aren't huting *our* bots
[22:49] <Seeker`> LjL: Just wanted to make sure noone got a bit overzealous
[22:50] <LjL> Seeker`: well, mootbot might definitely want an ubuntu/bot cloak
[22:50] <LjL> oh my
[22:51] <LjL> /whois ljl2
[22:51] <LjL> actually, /whois ljl2 ljl2
[22:51] <LjL> how on earth has that stayed connected
[22:52] <Amaranth> wow
[22:52] <Amaranth> also, you don't have /wii?
[22:52] <LjL> Amaranth: just about every day i think i should make an alias and then i don't
[22:53] <LjL> alright, i've overcome laziness
[22:53] <LjL> now i just have to remember i have it
[22:59] <Seeker`> LjL: We are trying to get it hosted officially
[22:59] <LjL> Seeker`, that doesn't change anything with respect to cloaking
[22:59] <Seeker`> LjL: And onto a better server - I dont have access to the server it is on atm, and the person that does has disappeared
[23:00] <LjL> hmm
[23:00] <LjL> Seeker`: the code *is* available?
[23:01] <Seeker`> LjL: Yes
[23:05] <ryanakca> Seeker`: worst comes to worst, I can give you an account on my server (same one than runs Quizbuntu)...
[23:05] <ryanakca> s/than/that/
[23:05] <Seeker`> LjL: http://tensixtyone.com/svn/mootbot/
[23:06] <Seeker`> I have an account on the server, I just have never used it, and therefore dont remember the password
[23:09] <PriceChild> ssh keys ftw
[23:09] <Seeker`> PriceChild: I forget the passcodes for them too :P
[23:09]  * PriceChild headdesks
[23:30]  * Pici facepalms
[23:33]  * LjL handclaps
[23:37]  * jussi01 wanders off to find a bed...
[23:37] <Pici> bye
[23:37] <jussi01> night
[23:42]  * Seeker` facedesks
[23:49]  * nickrud doesn't feel so bad
[23:49]  * mneptok feels slippery
[23:49]  * nickrud sidles away from mneptok
[23:50] <mneptok> imagine a walrus, drenched in baby oil.
[23:50]  * jussi01 pukes, then really goes to bed
[23:50] <mneptok> you know, as tasty as that sounds, i'll just eat a baby.
[23:50] <nickrud> thank you, no .-)
[23:50] <mneptok> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_01/polar020308DM_800x530.jpg
[23:51] <nickrud> gah.