[03:10] <Lord_Set> Hello
[03:21] <bigjools> hello
[03:30] <Lord_Set> How was your weekend?
[03:31] <bigjools> surprisingly good!
[03:31] <Lord_Set> Awesome. I see the current MAAS build is still broken :P
[03:32] <bigjools> it should not be
[03:32] <bigjools> I tested one on Friday
[03:32] <bigjools> but, welcome to the bleeding edge :)
[03:32] <Lord_Set> I just updated and getting the same amd64/generic is not a valid option error
[03:33] <bigjools> package version?
[03:33] <Lord_Set> Let me check
[03:34] <bigjools> r2101 or later should be ok
[03:35] <bigjools> 1.5+bzr1977+2105+246~ppa0~ubuntu14.04.1 is the very latest (r2105)
[03:35] <Lord_Set> maas_1.5+bzr1977+2105+246~ppa0~ubuntu14.04.1 is what it updated to
[03:36] <Lord_Set> Wondering if it didn't update the config files
[03:36] <bigjools> let me try it here, give me 10 minutes
[03:36] <Lord_Set> Ok
[03:47] <bigjools> Lord_Set: yes, it's screwed.  Grarh.
[03:47] <bigjools> go back to r2101
[03:47] <Lord_Set> Will do
[03:48] <Lord_Set> Should i do a purge or uninstall and then reinstall 2101 fresh?
[03:49] <bigjools> ummm should be able to just install 2101
[03:49] <bigjools> downgrade
[03:52] <bigjools> I think that one's broken too, hang on
[03:52] <Lord_Set> Ok
[03:56] <bigjools> well this is odd, I went back to 2101 which I know was working on Friday, and it;s not working now.  Hm
[03:56] <Lord_Set> 2098?
[04:12] <bigjools> I think another dependency change broke things, it might take a while to work this out
[04:13] <Lord_Set> Alright :(
[04:13] <Lord_Set> Guess I will be doing some manual installs tonight
[04:13] <bigjools> I'm still looking at it
[04:13] <bigjools> don't panic
[04:14] <Lord_Set> lol I don't panic
[04:14] <Lord_Set> I just have 3 servers I need to get up tonight
[04:15] <bigjools> 2101 is working
[04:15] <bigjools> just tested it
[04:15] <Lord_Set> Awesome! Thanks :)
[04:18] <Lord_Set> https://launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/+archive/dailybuilds/+build/5668409
[04:18] <Lord_Set> ?
[04:20] <bigjools> yes
[04:21] <Lord_Set> Cool, just wanted to make sure it was the correct one. There isn't a separate amd64 build is there? Or are they all i386?
[04:22] <bigjools> they're not arch-specific
[04:22] <Lord_Set> Cool
[04:22] <bigjools> just happen to be built on i386
[04:22] <bigjools> it's all python
[04:47] <Lord_Set> How is the versioning for apt-get set? Trying to install on another server and apt-get install maas=1.5+bzr1977+2101+246~ppa0~ubuntu14.04.1 and various other different attempts aren't working.
[04:47] <bigjools> not working how?
[04:48] <bigjools> that version is no longer published in the PPA so apt-get won't find it
[04:48] <Lord_Set> Saying the verison isn't found
[04:48] <Lord_Set> apt-cache isn't showing the previous versions either
[04:48] <bigjools> it won't, no
[04:48] <bigjools> the archive cleans up quickly in PPAs to save space
[04:48] <bigjools> I am about to push a new build
[04:48] <Lord_Set> Oh ok
[04:49] <bigjools> give me a few moments
[04:49] <Lord_Set> Sure
[04:49] <bigjools> give it about 30 minutes
[04:49] <Lord_Set> Will do
[04:50] <bigjools> https://code.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/+recipe/maas-daily-trusty
[04:50] <bigjools> will show up on there
[04:55] <Lord_Set> Thanks for pushing the new build
[05:46] <Lord_Set> this is odd... trying to add a new public ssh key and it keeps telling me it is invalid...
[05:46] <Lord_Set> i have tried through the web interface and cli
[06:55] <bigjools> Lord_Set: it should be fixed, but if you have a problem please describe what you're doing
[06:57] <Lord_Set> Updated from 2101 to 2106. Attempted enlistment and received the same architecture detection issue as before, which results in enlistment failing. The error received is 'amd64/generic' is not valid. The only valid choices are 'amd64, 'i386', and 'arm'.
[06:57] <Lord_Set> I just purged and reinstalled MAAS. Attempting enlistment now as we speak.
[07:01] <bigjools> oh hmmm I think this is a different problem
[07:01] <bigjools> and known
[07:01] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1289485
[07:02] <bigjools> I don;t know when this will be fixed, probably late Wednesday
[07:02] <bigjools> unless I find time to look tomorrow (my tomorrow)
[07:02] <Lord_Set> Alright. Which version should I roll back to then?
[07:03] <bigjools> not so easy here since it's mingled with other fixes you might need
[07:05] <bigjools> I'll see what I can do to fix it
[07:05] <bigjools> trunk is in a lot of flux right now
[07:10] <Lord_Set> I have noticed :P
[07:11] <Lord_Set> Don't sweat it
[14:17] <melmoth> anyone using maas in _large_ deployment ? I got a customer complaiing that "juju destroy-relation" does nothing.
[14:17] <melmoth> like, no error message no nothing.
[14:17] <melmoth> and a couple of days later he told me "heyyy, the relation is removed now, we touch nothing since"
[14:18] <melmoth> so i m wondering, may be when deployng things in real life size , removing relation is suppose to be processed in a matter of... days ?


[00:08] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: can you help me how do i make the ubuntu software center blend into kde
[00:08] <tbruff13> better
[00:08] <bartman2589> Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me, I'm running Kubuntu 11.10 64 bit (AMD64), and ever since I upgraded to KDE 4.8 I can no longer run either Dolphin or Konqueror (in file manager mode) as root, I have tried going to /root/.kde/share/config and deleting the files 'dolphinrc' and 'konquerorrc' figuring it was probably corrupt configuration files or that they had options in them that were not supported in the current
[00:08] <bartman2589> versions of Dolphin and Konqueror but I still can't run either as root, with Dolphin the window opens then Dolphin crashes immediately, with Konqueror I can start it but when I go to navigate to a folder it crashes, the problem with Konqueror only started after I tried to set it to 'Details' display mode
[00:08] <tbruff13> or is there a KDE equivalent
[00:08] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: look at the Oxygen GTK theme settings
[00:08] <tbruff13> where
[00:08] <tbruff13> in themes
[00:09] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: In System Settings -> Application Appearance -> Gtk settings
[00:10] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: are you running kdesudo dolphin ?
[00:11] <bartman2589> DasKreecH, yes, same as I always used to do, like I said it's only since I upgraded to KDE 4.8 that I'm having these problems
[00:12] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: can you run that command in konsole and pastebin the output?
[00:12] <bartman2589> ok, give me a sec
[00:13] <bartman2589> dumb question, how do I do send it to pastebin again, it's been a while since I've done that, can't remember how
[00:14] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02052012-061233pm.php
[00:14] <DasKreecH> !pastebin
[00:14] <tbruff13> these are the options
[00:14] <tbruff13> i have
[00:14] <tbruff13> i might need to installt his theme it is 10.04
[00:14] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: or if you have the pastebinit application you can do kdesudo dolphin | pastebinit
[00:14] <bartman2589> ok, thanks
[00:16] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: i will figure it out
[00:17] <bartman2589> well it didn't output anything before I got the window from the KDE Crash Handler opening up on my screen
[00:18] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: Hmm there should be a oxygen-gtk setting I think.
[00:18] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: you did the pastebinit pipe ?
[00:19] <yofel> DasKreecH, tbruff13: there is no oxygen gtk theme for lucid I fear. It was first added in natty
[00:19] <yofel> you could look if someone backported that
[00:19] <bartman2589> yes I did the pipe, the kdesudo password dialog opened up, I typed in my password, and then the next thing I know I'm looking at the KDE Crash Handler and absolutely nothing has been output in my console window, the cursor is still hanging there actuallly like it's waiting for me to close the Crash Handler window maybe
[00:20] <yofel> tbruff13: best choice in lucid would be qtcurve as gtk theme. Looks fairly similiar even if not the same
[00:21] <yofel> bartman2589: can you get a backtrace from the crash handler?
[00:21] <bartman2589> I think so, what should I do with it?
[00:22] <yofel> upload it to a pastebin please and post the link
[00:22] <DasKreecH> yofel: It's 11.10
[00:22] <bartman2589> also, I don't have debug symbols installed
[00:22] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: close it
[00:23] <yofel> DasKreecH: he said 10.04 though
[00:23] <bartman2589> upload and then close?
[00:23] <yofel> nah, not useful without debug symbols
[00:24] <DasKreecH> yofel: Oh. Missed that
[00:24] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: no without debug symbols it's not useful
[00:24] <bartman2589> tbruff13, you can get a few more customization options for gtk apps by installling the lxappearance package, remember if you want the changes to affect any applications you run as root that you should run lxappearance as root and configure things as root too
[00:24] <bartman2589> ok
[00:26] <bartman2589> same for configuring theme settings in kde, if you want them to affect applications you run as root you should try running kdesudo systemsettings and then make your theme setting changes
[00:27] <Soviet> I need a ppp client for kubuntu to connect to the internet. My problem is I can't connect to the internet until I install one. What package do I need + how do I install it and all the dependencies? Also how do I download them all without downloading 9001 seperate files?
[00:27] <bartman2589> any more thoughts on what might be going on DasKreecH?
[00:29] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: try running it without the pipe (just kdesudo dolphin) and see what output you get
[00:29] <DasKreecH> !info kppp
[00:29] <Soviet> link?
[00:29] <Soviet> nvm
[00:32] <bartman2589> I get a bunch of lines with various error messages, the ones right before 'KCrash: Application 'dolphin' crashing...' all seem to be related to nepomuk and have the phrase 'The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files" at the end of each of the lines
[00:32] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: Ok can you pastebin that
[00:33] <DasKreecH> !pastebin
[00:33] <DasKreecH> That's the link
[00:33] <bartman2589> Ok, I'll try, one sec
[00:35] <bartman2589> Ok, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/830807/ , also even after I closed the crash handler I had to press 'ctrl-c' to get my prompt back in my console window
[00:37] <DasKreecH> Hmm that's not a lot of info >_<
[00:37] <bartman2589> yeah I know
[00:38] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: as a work around I would just fun dolphin and press F4 to get a konsole and sudo -i  there
[00:38] <DasKreecH> but that's not an answer or why you would run dolphin in the first placee
[00:39] <DasKreecH> I might install debug symbols and make a bug report
[00:39] <DasKreecH> but right now I'm not sure what is causing that crash
[00:39] <bartman2589> right, I run it as root sometimes to set file permissions using the nice easy to use 'permissions' tab in the file properties dialog
[00:40] <DasKreecH> ah hrmm
[00:40] <bartman2589> one of the applications I use doesn't come in a deb package so when I manually install it I have to set permissions manually as well
[00:40] <bartman2589> well manually using the dialog window I just mentioned at least
[00:41] <DasKreecH> lol well an easier workaround may be kdesudo kate and then just use the file properties from the open file dialog :)
[00:45] <bartman2589> that would work too for that issue I guess, but there are times I need to move files around and rename/link as root though too, that's why I'm hoping to get this fixed, it's bad enough the KDE team didn't bother finishing the Dolphin rewrite before they released it with 4.8 or that they didn't bother to fix the problem with applications still showing in the taskbar even after they're closed before releasing 4.8 or not
[00:45] <bartman2589> bothering to link the 'vertical/horizontal' mixer slider control behaviour to the volume slider in the systray, all in all I'm really disappointed in the lack of attention to detail in 4.8 so far
[00:46] <bartman2589> I can run Krusader as root, but I really don't care for Krusader that much
[00:49] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: didn't bother? :)
[00:51] <bartman2589> yeah, didn't bother, that application still showing up in the taskbar issue has been present since like 4.7.2, and it's still present in 4.8
[00:52] <yofel> which ended up being a bug in Qt it seems. Although they "could" have worked around it I guess...
[00:52] <bartman2589> the new version of Dolphin doesn't let you move columns around in detail view, it doesn't support 'rename inline' and who knows what else they didn't 'bother' to include again before they released it
[00:53] <bartman2589> doing a rewrite is fine and dandy as long as it's not feature incomplete when it's released to the public
[00:54] <bartman2589> hold it back until it's complete is all I'm saying, then people won't complain about missing features for one
[00:54] <yofel> well, dolphin at least isn't as bad as kdepim
[00:55] <bartman2589> yeah, they didn't 'bother' to update the kdepim wizard package and it's not compatible with 4.8
[00:56] <DasKreecH> you could just install the old dolphin and remove the KDE 4.8 one
[00:56] <bartman2589> it's part of the full KDE package, I'd have to roll back just about everything
[00:58] <bartman2589> I had enough problems just getting 4.8 fully updated because they ignored updating a few other packages when they released 4.8
[00:58] <yofel> which ones?
[01:00] <bartman2589> for one, the KDE-Observatory package, I had to remove the 4.7.4 version because there was a file conflict when I tried to upgrade, then I was finally able to reinstall it, also a couple of plasmoid packages too werent' compatible anymore either
[01:00] <yofel> ah, that one, yeah :/
[01:01] <bartman2589> so yes, they didn't 'bother', simple pre-release testing would have revealed several of the issues I'm sure, but apparently that's too hard to do anymore
[01:04] <yofel> well, it's not like it didn't get tested. That error was a bit unlucky
[01:05] <harolddong> bartman stop clucking like a whiny old lady
[01:05] <bartman2589> I know the issue I'm currently having with not being able to run Dolphin or Konqueror is, but I'm talking about the numerous other things I've mentioned
[01:06] <bartman2589> harolddong, why don't you try to make me!
[01:06] <harolddong> I was running 4.8 since the betas and havent really had any issues
[01:06] <harolddong> its been one of the most painless recent kde upgrades for me
[01:07] <harolddong> on the other hand it took me forever to get my laptop setup with debian unstable the way I like
[01:07] <bartman2589> oh, never noticed how when you change your mixer sliders orientation in kmix that your volume slider stays horizontal, even though before you upgraded it was vertical!!
[01:08] <bartman2589> or like I mentioned the feature incomplete status of the Dolphin rewrite?  Features people used on a regular basis are gone now in it
[01:09] <DasKreecH> What's in the Observatory package?
[01:09] <bartman2589> it's for monitoring the status of builds
[01:09] <harolddong> dolphin rewrite works beautifully... I don't about moving fileview columns cause I dont do that
[01:10] <bartman2589> goody for you, while a very good many other people the world over DO move columns
[01:10] <DasKreecH> never heard of it
[01:10] <DasKreecH> Also didn't know that you could move the sliders in Kmix :)
[01:10] <DasKreecH> isn't it vertical by default?
[01:10] <bartman2589> used to be
[01:10] <joshwines> bartman2589: perhaps your annoyances with dolphin would be better served in the #kde channel. Or you could get in there and write it yourself ;)
[01:10] <harolddong> and I noticed a new people on various sites whinging about the kmix horizontal orientation
[01:10] <harolddong> I dont really see what the big deal is
[01:11] <yofel> DasKreecH: there was a file conflict in plasma-widget-kdeobservatory in the first 4.8.0 packages
[01:11] <harolddong> at least the finally pulse working in kubuntu. that's enough for me
[01:11] <DasKreecH> yofel: so it's a plasmoid that's causing the issue?
[01:12] <harolddong> I mainly use my machine for audio, but I don't really care how kmix whether kmix is vertical or horizontal, I just like that it works
[01:12] <DasKreecH> far as I know the columns and rename inline are coming back in a point release they just missed the freeze for KDE 4.8
[01:12] <yofel> it *caused* it. (A file got moved and ended up in 2 packages)
[01:13] <bartman2589> that's fine too if you use Pulseaudio, I don't, don't particularly like how they're trying to force it on people either, until pulseaudio gives me easy access to the individual inputs of my sound card I won't use it
[01:13] <DasKreecH> yofel: fixed now?
[01:13] <harolddong> gwenview is pretty awesome in 4.8
[01:13] <yofel> fixed since release day
[01:13] <yofel> just a few hours too late
[01:13] <DasKreecH> Ah. So.. what's the problem then?
[01:13] <harolddong> I wish kopete would get more attention though, but I guess its not really a priority anymore since they plan to move over to telepathy eventually
[01:14] <bartman2589> yofel, very true, it was something that never should have made it to release, and those of use who upgraded right away had problems with it
[01:14] <DasKreecH> harolddong: it will get no attention as I understand it
[01:14] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: well you can help with the next release if you like
[01:15] <bartman2589> I agree about Kopete, would be nice if they added support for MySpaceIM and Facebook chat, there are plugins already available for Pidgin for both, but still Kopete doesn't support those 2 IM formats
[01:16] <DasKreecH> Well telepathy supports both
[01:17] <bartman2589> so does pidgin, and I can just copy my .purple folder from my linux install to my windows install when I reinstall pidgin in windows and I automatically have all my configuration done in the windows install of pidgin
[01:18] <bartman2589> the beauty of opensource cross-platform support
[01:19] <DasKreecH> Well open source does have a lot of perks
[01:19] <yofel> which is usually still better than closed source cross-platform support...
[01:19] <DasKreecH> yofel: which normally means we ship with wine wrappers
[01:20] <yofel> true
[01:20] <DasKreecH> Speaking of which has skype said how long they are supporting Linux?
[01:20] <bartman2589> oh, speaking of wine, anyone have any tips on installing .NET 2.0, I can't get it to install
[01:20] <bartman2589> .NET 1.1 and .NET 1.1sp1 installed fine
[01:21] <bartman2589> and yes, I was using winetricks
[01:21] <DasKreecH> #winehq
[01:22]  * yofel is off to bed
[01:22] <bartman2589> ok, just figured I'd ask
[01:23] <DasKreecH> Night  yofel
[01:24] <DasKreecH> They have a ubuntu repo and would be the best people to check for tricks esp if you have a known application
[01:24] <DasKreecH> hopefully not Vis studio :)
[01:24] <bartman2589> nope, trying to install my old copy of MorphVox Pro (voice morphing software typically used with online gaming).
[01:25] <DasKreecH> ha ha fun :)
[01:25] <bartman2589> it depends on .NET 2.0 unfortunately
[01:25] <bartman2589> I haven't found any similar software for linux yet
[01:26] <bartman2589> I thought about maybe trying to find a way to use ladspa plugins but I have no clue how to configure any of that
[01:27] <DasKreecH> what settings from it do you want?
[01:27] <bartman2589> pitch shifting, without stretching or compressing the audio mainly
[01:28] <DasKreecH> Wow not been updated since 2009 :-/
[01:28] <bartman2589> I don't use it with WoW, I play DDO on a free account, and Runes of Magic
[01:29] <bartman2589> ok, might have misunderstood
[01:30] <DasKreecH> bartman2589: I would guess if you hang out at #ardour you may be able to get more info on those plugins
[01:30] <bartman2589> Ok, thanks
[01:31] <DasKreecH>  seems like the kinda place that discussion about those kind of effects would be welcome
[01:32] <bartman2589> anyway, I'm off to see how many times I can get gangked while I'm doing my quests I guess, lol
[01:32] <bartman2589> thanks for trying to help
[01:33]  * DasKreecH gangks bartman2589
[01:33] <DasKreecH> one!
[01:54] <harolddong> in the telepathy kde messenger thing is there a way to make it not group the contacts by the protocol?
[01:54] <harolddong>  I hate grouping
[01:59] <DasKreecH> harolddong: ahmmm
[01:59] <DasKreecH> Well I know it was a flat list when it just started :)
[02:00] <DasKreecH> not sure if groups were "added" or they just overwrote the flat list display that was there before
[02:01] <harolddong> well the show/hide groups button really is just a choice between types of groups, grouping them by protocol (hide), or showing whatever groups are already in the various protocols (show). so the button name is not really accurate.
[02:03] <DasKreecH> harolddong: You have an idea for a better UI/Explanation?
[02:05] <Linkmaster> how do you install a desktop theme from file in KDE4.8? I'm sure im missing something obvious, but i cant seem to find it..
[02:07] <DasKreecH> which theme?
[02:09] <Linkmaster> in my case, the E-plasma theme, the Helium One theme, and the Limix Tema theme
[02:09] <Linkmaster> they are on the 'get new themes' bar, but it asks to send to a downlad link
[02:10] <Linkmaster> i said sure, and went from there to downloading them. but now i cant seem to install them due to my incompetence at finding the 'install theme from file' button ):
[02:14] <harolddong> Daskreech: well in every other messenger I have used "hide groups" means means "hide groups", no grouping will be used at all in the contact list
[02:14] <DasKreecH> Linkmaster: if you got them through Get new stuff they are already installed
[02:14] <DasKreecH> harolddong: File a bug?
[02:14] <fabidesu> extract in ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme , Linkmaster
[02:14] <Linkmaster> fabidesu: thank you
[02:15] <Linkmaster> DasKreecH: i had to go to a website to download them, so i knew they werent installed
[02:15] <DasKreecH> Linkmaster: Really? I just installed them from GHNS
[02:15] <harolddong> I really don't know if grouping by protocol is an option that should even appear on the front of the messenger. It is confusing where it is and it should probably be in the settings
[02:16] <Linkmaster> huh...i don't know then
[02:17] <DasKreecH> Linkmaster: Gah the Tema one does throw me on this strange page
[02:17] <Linkmaster> yeah
[02:19] <DasKreecH> oooh helium one is pretty
[02:19] <DasKreecH> Too light for my liking though
[02:20] <DasKreecH> harolddong: you can probably discuss that with #kde-telepathy I know they are hard at work on the backend stuff but they would like feedback on the UI
[03:21] <DasKreecH> harolddong: ping
[03:23] <DasKreecH> harolddong: Spoke with the telepathy teams and they said file a wishlist bug
[03:24] <DasKreecH> harolddong: http://www.sharpley.org.uk/blog/how-to-report-usability-bugs
[03:31] <tbruff13> can someone help me out please I need help disabling the automatic distro upgrade option
[03:33] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: are you here
[03:33] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: yes
[03:33] <tbruff13> can you help me disable the automatic dist-upgrade option anywhere it pops up
[03:33] <tbruff13> cant have teachers upgrading on a whim
[03:33] <tbruff13> Canonical would not like that
[03:34] <DasKreecH> :)
[03:34] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: maybe i should not say automatic maybe i should say the option
[03:34] <DasKreecH> well if you are on an LTS release it will only do it every two years
[03:34] <tbruff13> you know how it pops up ubuntu xxxx is ready
[03:34] <tbruff13> can you help me make sure that is disabled entirely
[03:35] <tbruff13> when it is time to upgrade landscape will do ti
[03:36] <DasKreecH> edit the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[03:36] <DasKreecH> Set prompt=disabled
[03:38] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: any gui way to do it so that i can be re enabled easily when the time comes
[03:39] <tbruff13> i am asking will it prompt them
[03:40] <tbruff13> if it does not we have no issue if it does then i have an issue
[03:40] <tbruff13> in gnome it does update manager does
[03:42] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: dont worry about it
[03:42] <tbruff13> i have another question
[03:42] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: i have software updates but it is not prompting me to update
[03:42] <tbruff13> how can i make sure it does
[03:43] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: you can turn it off in the Synaptic or kpackagekit settings
[03:43] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: okay
[03:43] <tbruff13> now how can i make it notify teachers of security updates and bug fixes
[03:44] <tbruff13> like as a notification
[03:44] <tbruff13> i have 173 and it did not notify me
[03:44] <DasKreecH> it will do that every day
[03:44] <DasKreecH> long as you have updates setup
[03:45] <DasKreecH> has the computer been running for longer than a Day?
[03:45] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: no the virtualbox was just installed to day
[03:45] <tbruff13> can i have it notify ever time it starts
[03:45] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: well .. wait which version do you have installed?
[03:45] <tbruff13> 10.04
[03:47] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: it just notified me
[03:47] <tbruff13> delayed i guess
[03:47] <DasKreecH> \o/
[03:47] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: are the kubuntu repos any different then the ubuntu ones
[03:48] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: no same servers
[03:48] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: the school wants to mirror the repos so teachers can update over lan
[03:48] <tbruff13> is this legal
[03:48] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: I wouldn't see why not
[03:49] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: That's essentially what the DVD is
[03:49] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: is legal for me to include kubuntu-restricted-extras and mscorefonts in the CD i am making
[03:53] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: also before i compress can i safely remove old kernel headers and junk
[03:53] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: I don't know. you would have to read the license on the items included there. I know that it's not for Java at least. I beleive that's somewhat the case for mscorefonts but it could be legally construed as a rollout within an organization as long as you are putting it on the CD under thier orders instead of redistribution by a private entity. The CD can't be used outside the school however
[03:53] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: if you don't plan on using the Junk I don't see why not
[03:54] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: and this is legally
[03:54] <tbruff13> the school just wants to have their but covered
[03:55] <tbruff13> but if teachers take my disc out of school and install it on home computers no one will hunt them down can i assume that safely
[03:55] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: well as I said you need to look at the licenses on each thing that you put on the CD and evaluate it on the basis of the method in which the CD will be used and created.
[03:55] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: what if i made a click here script
[03:55] <tbruff13> and put it on the school website
[03:55] <tbruff13> or on the dis
[03:55] <tbruff13> disc
[03:56] <tbruff13> would that make it a little easier
[03:56] <DasKreecH> I'd assume that you can do whatever you want as long as you don't base a business off of it no one will care. People don't actually enforce computer laws unless there is a lot of money involved or a trademark violation
[03:57] <DasKreecH> if they chased down the laws most of them would be revoked because they are ridiculous. The ones that are not would be legally tenable to fight each individual case or financially responsible to do so
[03:57] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: i am basing a school off of it and m$ will be pissed if they lose the contract
[03:58] <DasKreecH> tbruff13: Fair enough :) Check the packages license file and read what it says and make an evaluation
[03:58] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: how about i just call my Canonical agent and ask
[03:58] <tbruff13> :)
[03:58] <DasKreecH> I would start off with the dependendcy packages on kubuntu-restricted-extras and mscorefonts
[03:59] <tbruff13> DasKreecH: i just wanted the non business opinion
[04:03] <handheldCar> DasKreecH: I figured out the kubuntu hang has something to do with the halt command (doesn't happen through menus).
[04:04] <DasKreecH> handheldCar: as in init halt ?
[04:05] <handheldCar> no just sudo halt
[06:27] <eshlox> hi, newest kubuntu, kmail, Unknown error. (Unable to fetch item from backend), ideas?
[07:17] <DasKreecH> I would guess check the Akonadi Configuration Panel to check it
[09:50] <folsto> Hi, lately the taskbar has been behaving erratically. Dolphin is set to "Show a launcher when not running". But then when I open dolphin the opened windows does not appear in the taskbar.
[09:52] <theantislim> Morning, all.
[10:33] <Promethes> how to force nautilus to remember samba shares passwords forever? Checking the checkbox that should store passwords does not work. Can anyone help me?
[10:33] <Promethes> is this possible?
[10:38] <Promethes> i mean dolphin, sorry, i am new to kde
[10:40] <Promethes> how to force dolphin to remember samba shares passwords forever? Checking the checkbox that should store passwords does not work. Can anyone help me?
[11:19] <vadrao> Hi all, does any one know if the gcc version thats shipped with kubuntu 11.10 comes with openmp support ? I am trying to compile a tool called monitor (http://icl.cs.utk.edu/~mucci/monitor/) and I get the following error. http://pastebin.com/NKw1uu5T
[11:21] <Riddell> vadrao: you can also try general ubuntu places for questions like that
[11:21] <vadrao> Riddell: You mean the Ubuntu forums ?
[11:23] <Riddell> yes or #ubuntu or mailing lists
[11:23] <vadrao> Ok, Thanks Riddell
[11:35] <Oxymoron> how do I disable screen to black when watching movie in VLC? I tried to disable everything in power save mode and even the screen saver. Nothing works? Its ****** annoying have to touch pad every 25 minute or so in the movie when it goes black.
[11:36] <Oxymoron> Hade same problem in KDE 4.7, then I disabled everything and screen didnt go black. Now after 4.8 update, it goes black even that I disabled everything I know in systemsettings.
[11:39] <vadrao> Oxymoron: I usually keep my system in the perfformance mode and then disable things like dim display etc.. Are you sure that you kept your system in the performance mode ?
[11:40] <Oxymoron> vadrao: yes, I force into adapter pluggedin-mode
[11:42] <Oxymoron> vadrao: Could it be VLC problem?
[11:42] <Oxymoron> or is it KDE/Kubuntu problem?
[11:42] <vadrao> Since you said that you are in KDE 4.8 which Kubuntu officially does not support yet.. I dont think it is VLC's problem..
[11:43] <Oxymoron> vadrao: The problem was even on 4.7
[11:44] <Oxymoron> HDMI is PINA in Linux I must say. Why cannot the video output and audio just work when plugin? For now I manually need to switch to HDMI audio and video in system settings.
[11:44] <Oxymoron> *PITA
[11:44] <vadrao> Oh OK..
[11:45] <vadrao> I understand the problem Oxymoron.. I have the same kind of issues with my BOSE USB speakers
[11:46] <Oxymoron> vadrao: And now this too with black screen, seriously? :O Dumb to compare, but I do anyway. On Windows it just works, I plugin HDMI cable and output on TV screen directly, also audio, never blacks out when watch movies.
[11:47] <vadrao> Oxymoron: Is it a laptop or desktop.. If its a laptop then you have the power cable always connected when you this problem right?
[11:48] <Oxymoron> vadrao: It is laptop yes and power cable connected always, yes.
[11:49] <Oxymoron> Earlier i heard from some developer on KDe or Kbuntu, dont remeber that it is VLC bug of not claim exclusive right to screen, so Kubuntu doesnt think I am inactive on desktop.
[11:52] <vadrao> Oxymoron: The following is the screenshot of my power profiles.. if it helps.. http://oi43.tinypic.com/maa4jc.jpg   and    http://oi42.tinypic.com/2qnryox.jpg
[11:52] <vadrao> Oxymoron: Its also easier to check if the bug is in VLC or not.. try using other players and see if it comes again..
[11:53] <Oxymoron> vadrao: The systemsettings is different in KDE 4.8, you do not have power profile etc anymore.
[11:53] <Oxymoron> Yes, I try Kaffeine and Dragon PLayer now.
[12:18] <kralle> hello :)
[12:18] <kralle> can someone help me to get dnsmasq and network manager work together ? :)
[12:22] <kralle> -_-
[12:30] <fatum> hello. Still having an issue with (probably) java in chromium,chrome,firefox.. on Oneiric, I've tried installing JRE, tried icedTea plugin, but it seems to be working only for 32bit. systems, so I'm not sure what else to try.. any help?
[12:31] <kralle> mhhh a icedtea
[12:32] <kralle> try the icedcoke plugin
[12:33] <ronskisika> which one is now the recommended package utility? it used to be apt-get, then aptitude was recommended for its better orphan handling or something, and now I see lots more instructions for using apt-get
[12:33] <kralle> apt-get
[12:35] <belfist> Hi guise!
[12:35] <belfist> Can someone help me with audacity plugins installation?
[12:35] <belfist> make does not work;(
[12:35] <ronskisika> kralle: is there some discussion about this matter somewhere? Now I'm mostly using aptitude to find out information about the packages and installing them with apt-get
[12:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:57] <kralle> morning
[12:59] <fatum> morning. any known issues around quicktime in oneiric? is it even suppossed to work?
[12:59] <ronskisika> fatum: did you just read my mind?
[13:00] <kralle> is there a way to get the dnsmasq work toether using networkmanager
[13:00] <fatum> ronskisika: no, but probably the same issue...
[13:03] <BluesKaj> kralle,  there might be , but I haven't tried , NM overwrites any dns settings added to /etc/resolv.conf by the user, and dnsmasq looks at resolv.conf  for the dns entries...bit of a vicious loop there.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> fatum,  afaik ffmpeg is supposed to handle quicktime files by default
[13:06] <BluesKaj> kralle,  if your on an ethernet connection you can safely run dnsmasq, resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces without needing NM
[13:06] <fatum> BluesKaj: is there a way to check if this is really the problem? I have the problem with audio/video in chromium, chrome and firefox. might provide examples
[13:08] <BluesKaj> fatum,  most websites use flash for audio/video , make sure you have flashplugins installed
[13:18] <fatum> BluesKaj: all right. I'll reinstall my flashplayer 10.1.999 and let you know. I have thought about java, html5 and quicktime, but not flash... reinstalled to v.11 and still doesn't work, however.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> fatum,  , have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:20] <fatum> not absolutely sure, but I might have. should I?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> fatum,  yes
[13:24] <fatum> oh. yes, I have them installed.
[13:27] <fatum> BluesKaj: they are installed. are you sure it is the flash problem?
[13:28] <fatum> BluesKaj: also, what about adobe shockwave player?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> fatum,  is the flashplayer compressed in .gz , if so right click on it , extract here , then look for libflashplayer.so file , copy that file with permissions to (alt+f2, kdesudo dolphin /usr/lib/mozilla) into the plugins folder there.
[13:36] <fatum> works :) thank you very much
[13:51] <kralle> BluesKaj:  but then ican not start the wifi hotspot :(
[13:55] <kralle> BluesKaj:  any tips ? :)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> kralle,  wifi needs network manager , unlss you use wpasupplicant , which gets abit complicated and clunky ...is dnsmasq an absolute necessity ?
[13:55] <kralle> yes , but i ngot it to run i justnforget how
[13:56] <kralle> basicly i whant to redirect a dns query not more
[13:57] <kralle> i got it to run dnsmasq and networkmanager hotspot i know there is a way but i forget how :/
[13:57] <BluesKaj> do you have a router where you can set the dns IPs?
[13:57] <kralle> no :/
[13:58] <BluesKaj> what is wifi hotspot /
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:58] <kralle> so there is no way to use dnsmaqs together ?
[13:58] <kralle> oh i use my ubuntu to make a hotspot
[13:58] <kralle> wifi hotspot basicly
[14:00] <BluesKaj> kralle,  there might be , I just don't know how ,,,I suggest you go to #ubuntu chanel and ask there , there are some very knowledgeable ppl about networking here , especially "actionparsnip"
[14:18] <Linkmaster> My system has had issues where, after 48 or so hours of running, it gets extremely hot. I dont have it on anything but hard surfaces, so I know that it isnt due to insulation. is there a way that i can edit my Xorg file to have my fan increase its power? I have Kubuntu 11.10, KDE4.8, and my my lspci output is here: http://pastebin.com/D8TD3jAA
[14:18] <Linkmaster> The problem is, the computer will shut down, and refuse to power on until the second or third try. but the air doesnt seem intensly hot coming from the blowout fan
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  have you checked with system monitor to see what might be  using up cpu resources?
[14:20] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: thats true...my CPU tends to run upwards of 30% at any given moment
[14:21] <BluesKaj> 30% should cause it to get hot , I was thinking more like 90%
[14:21] <BluesKaj> not
[14:23] <BluesKaj> I'll bet you have nepomuk and akonadi enabled. right ?
[14:56] <ironfroggy> what is the proper, safe way to restart pulseaudio when it is configured by default in kubuntu with per-user sessions?
[15:16] <riker> Is there a key customization that will let me move windows as I change desktops? For example in compiz i was able to use Ctrl+Alt+Shift+<left/right/up/down> to bring a window to another desktop.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  type pulseaudio in the terminal
[15:57] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: but it is already running
[15:58] <ironfroggy> i'm trying to restart it, not just start it.
[15:58] <ironfroggy> but i dont want to kill it unsafely
[16:03] <BluesKaj> why kill it , ironfroggy ?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> it autostarts at boot , autostops when you log off , ironfroggy
[16:04] <ironfroggy> i know this
[16:04] <ironfroggy> i'm trying to restart it, but i dont want to logout
[16:04] <BluesKaj> why , is it not working ?
[16:05] <ironfroggy> it isn't seeming to recognize or use my usb headset
[16:06] <ironfroggy> this is a new machine and i'm hoping it just had some detection issue when i plugged the usb headset in while it was resuming from suspend mode, and hoping if i restart PA it will see and use the headset properly.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> does lsusb show the headset?
[16:07] <ironfroggy> yes
[16:08] <ironfroggy> pavucontrol lists the device in the configuration tab, but does not list it as an option in either the Playback or Recording tabs to actually use it
[16:09] <ironfroggy> i use this same headset on at least three two other t510 lapopts and a t520, all running kubuntu 11.10 and it has worked fine.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  have you checked in alsamixer to make sure it's listed and turned up?
[16:14] <ironfroggy> yes and yes
[16:14] <fhc> ironfroggy..... have you tried compiz on 11.10
[16:14] <fhc> does it work
[16:16] <ironfroggy> what does compiz have to do with a sound device? also, yes.
[16:17] <fhc> it wasnt related to your headset...just wanted to know if compiz worked with the new unity desktop
[16:18] <fhc> i am on 10.04 lucid lynx
[16:18] <fhc> i read that compiz doesnt work well with gnome 3
[16:19] <ironfroggy> fhc: unity and gnome are not #kubuntu topics, either.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> fhc , ask in #ubuntu , this is kubuntu support chat
[16:19] <EvilResistance> fhc, #ubuntu is the GNOME version support, #kubuntu is KDE version of Ubuntu.
[16:22] <ironfroggy> is ubuntu even considered GNOME any more? is unity a gnome thing, or specific to ubuntu?
[16:22] <Tm_T> ironfroggy: it's ubuntu thing, but it's just one piece in a puzzle that makes gnome a gnome
[16:23] <EvilResistance> ironfroggy, tbh Unity is kind of like a shell to GNOME... there is actual vanilla GNOME3 if you dont want Unity, but you kind of have to have Unity... *shrugs*  Its what made me switch to KDE
[16:23] <breed> anyone know how to set a one-time-password with kde network manager?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> it's ubuntu desktop , I think ...haven't been there in a while ...they have a lot of problems on that chat ,and it's not just with not just with the desktop
[16:24] <ironfroggy> EvilResistance: its kind of funny. i've always been a KDE user, but i watch the unity pains of coworkers and friends and tried it out, and actually prefer it to traditional gnome stuff.
[16:24]  * BluesKaj is getting repetitive in his old age :)
[16:25] <EvilResistance> ironfroggy, heh.  i'm still on 11.04 so less headaches for me :P
[16:28] <BluesKaj> interesting how everyone uses "less" instead of "fewer" for items that are plural ...just a comment
[16:31] <chronossc> Hello, my panels and widgets are with some issue... see this image: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7656/snapshot2gw.png ... people will see that system tray are too big for content. Also when I try to put a panel spacer between sublime text 2 icon and taskbar I can't... what is hapenning??
[18:26] <gglitch> Hi people. Question: I'm using Kubuntu 11.10, KDE 4.8; I keep reading that my dolphin right-click menu should include commands for "copy to" and "move to" but I do not find them. Am I to add them in some way?
[18:26] <gglitch> (vs. just ordinary copy and move, which are there)
[18:29] <dasKreech> gglitch: Did you look in the Dolphin settings?
[18:29] <Tm_T> gglitch: those menus are there after you have enabled them in dolphin's settings I believe
[18:32] <gglitch> Wow. Yep. I'm the reason you should have to pass a generous IQ test before coming to rooms like this. Thanks dasKreech and Tm_T. 'Preciate it.
[18:33] <dasKreech> gglitch: KDE settings are bountiful, generous and difficult to appreciate the first time you go through them
[18:34] <gglitch> Nicely stated. I'm new to KDE and keep having my mind blown over and over again. Mainly by KIO slaves and Nepomuk.
[18:36] <dasKreech> Yeah the audiocd:/ kio gets me all the time
[18:36] <gglitch> I keep saying things like 'Maybe this will work...' and it keeps working. Like saving files in Kate to remote volumes with fish://. Awesome.
[18:37] <dasKreech> gglitch: Yeah that's my main thing about KDE. I'll go on a why doesn't this work? rant
[18:37] <dasKreech> Then someone says did you look in the menu? Thre is a button for it
[18:37]  * dasKreech enters sheepish mode. Umm thanks. It works great
[18:38] <gglitch> I mean, I haven't worked out any really smart or fast poweruser tricks with them yet, but I certainly admire the architecture.
[18:39] <dasKreech> gglitch: Well if you want a poweruser trick You can open a file in kate and edit it then realise you need to be root to save it. You can save as Root@localhost to get root privies  (Just for that file!)
[18:40] <gglitch> what?! Man, that's amazing. What a time saver, that's great to know. Thanks :)
[18:40] <dasKreech> gglitch: Of course I could go into stuff like using a calculator or doing ggl:some web search to get the first hit opened in krunner
[18:41] <dasKreech> for kubuntu you may have to setup a shared key between your user and root on the local machine but that works fine :)
[18:41] <dasKreech> I tend to use Ctrl+F9 and then type my window's or document name to fast jump to a window
[18:42] <dasKreech> gglitch: but I could give you my super secret tip that I dare never give out because it's so annoying to learn it.
[18:42] <gglitch> After the google thing, which I just tried, I'm ready.
[18:46] <dasKreech> gglitch: Well if any window on any desktop is flashing you can press alt+ctrl+a to jump to it
[18:47] <dasKreech> It's a really small thing but it's incredibly annoying once you have learned it
[18:47] <gglitch> Annoying? Sounds useful to me!
[18:49] <dasKreech> gglitch: That's the basis of it being so annoying
[18:50] <gglitch> dasKreech: no doubt. One more thing to do instead of your work :)
[18:50] <dasKreech> I've reached the point where I don't think about it. It's part of my subconcious
[18:50] <dasKreech>  if something flashes  It just magically appears without me thinking how to get there
[18:51] <dasKreech> but then at some point in time you will be on !KDE and wonder why when things flash they don't just appear
[18:51] <dasKreech> then you realise no other DE/OS that I know of has keyboard shortcuts to answer applications that call for your attention
[18:52] <dasKreech> WHY?? Why have something keep knocking about urgency but not give me an urgent way to address it?
[18:52] <dasKreech> it makes everything else feel sooooo slloooowww
[18:53] <gglitch> That's why it's your super secret :) Thanks for the advice dasKreech; catch up to you later.
[19:00] <ictxiangxin> ?
[19:00] <ictxiangxin> some body here?
[19:01] <dasKreech> I... guess
[19:02] <dasKreech> about 275 though some of them may be robots and spies
[19:02] <dasKreech> and they just left
[19:03] <ictxiangxin> @_@
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ictxiangxin: ssup?
[19:07] <dasKreech> !netsplit
[19:50] <JonDoe> Hey There! Got a little problem with kwin. On a dual monitor setup the windows on one of the monitors, if they are "keept in foreground", else the seem to be aligned behind the  desktop. In the edsktop switch I can see them, so they seem to be there. Can anybody help me out?
[19:51] <Quintasan> JonDoe: Sounds like a KDE bug, I think you should first check if it is not reported on bugs.kde.org (report a bug if it is not)
[20:23] <Labbevag524> hello
[20:24] <Labbevag524> anybody able to tell why oneiric isn't going down for real shutdown anymore after updating from natty?
[20:26] <handheldCar> Labbevag524: how are you shutting it down?
[20:27] <Labbevag524> as usual, by clicking on shutdown in kdm
[20:27] <Labbevag524> though, it doesn't shut down
[20:27] <Labbevag524> processor fan is still movin
[20:27] <dasKreech> Labbevag524: Black screen?
[20:28] <Labbevag524> no black screen just the frozen splash
[20:28] <Labbevag524> hard disk stopped turning
[20:29] <Labbevag524> processor fan keeps on movin
[20:29] <handheldCar> Labbevag524: I've had the same problem with the halt command, but using the menus properly shut down my computer.
[20:30] <Labbevag524> what do u mean by using the menus properly???
[20:30] <handheldCar> sorry, using the menus shut down my computer properly
[20:31] <Labbevag524> i'm always using the menus to shut it down, at least with natty
[20:31] <Labbevag524> but now with oneiric it's not working any more
[20:31] <dasKreech> still probably something you should raise in #kubuntu-devel and file a bug on
[20:32] <Labbevag524> that probably won't help me now, dear dashavoo
[20:32] <Labbevag524> sry, dasKreech
[20:32] <dasKreech> Labbevag524: possibly. Could just be a ACPI setting or something that you need to flip
[20:33] <Labbevag524> i have already been workin on it for days....
[20:33] <Labbevag524> i tried force acpi and acpi off...
[20:33] <Labbevag524> didn't work
[20:36] <Labbevag524> could that be a matter of pulseaudio, apparmor or even grub?
[20:36] <handheldCar> reporting a bug might get it fixed
[20:37] <Labbevag524> thx, handheldCar, but how long will it take for me to get fixed?? ;-)
[20:38] <handheldCar> lazy, very un-ubuntu of you
[20:38] <Labbevag524> i've already been messing around with this crap for a week... ;-)
[20:39] <Labbevag524> so u can imagine, i'm quite tired with this by now
[20:40] <Labbevag524> call it lazy, whatever u like...
[20:40] <Labbevag524> :-)
[20:41] <handheldCar> YOU'VE BEEN WARNED :P
[20:42] <Labbevag524> u're the best help i ever got, handheld!! :-P :-P
[20:44] <Labbevag524> as i said, i tried several grub parameters, reinstalling pulseaudio, reinstalling apparmor etc. etc... did not help
[20:46] <Labbevag524> it did not shut down while akonadi was enabled, it did not shut down while it was disabled...
[20:47] <Labbevag524> i guess it could be a kernel problem
[20:48] <Labbevag524> 2.6.38 worked, 3.0.0.x doesn't
[20:49] <Labbevag524> but what has to be done?
[20:52] <Labbevag524> handheldCar??
[20:54] <benbloom_> I;m having problems reading my email with thunderbird 9. I think the new update caused problems and I can't figure out how to fix them. I've tried a apt-get purge and install after backing up and deleting ~/.thunderbird but the problem persists. is there somewhere else that thunderbird settings are stored for use with kde?
[20:58] <dasKreech> benbloom_: I'd check in ~/.local
[21:08] <benbloom_> thanks dasKreech
[21:09] <dasKreech> Ssure
[21:16] <benbloom_> nothing there that looks applicable. this is killing me not being able to read my mail!
[21:19] <dasKreech> benbloom_: what's happening?
[21:21] <benbloom_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/53743399@N02/6831454429/
[21:22] <dies_irae> ei
[21:22] <dies_irae> which webcam app got LiveCD??
[21:22] <benbloom_> notice the left side of the screen. there's no messages in the column
[21:27] <benbloom_> sorry dasKreech http://www.flickr.com/photos/53743399@N02/6831454429/ if you look at the left side there's no column with mail. when i click "read mail" nothing appears. however, if i search for specific messages, they show up, so i know my profile is loaded correctly
[21:27] <dasKreech> :-/
[21:27] <dasKreech> benbloom_: irc://irc.mozilla.org/thunderbird
[21:29] <benbloom_> thanks. i was trying to get help on freenode and ubuntu #thunderbird but no help at eithere
[21:29] <benbloom_> either
[21:30] <dies_irae> what about my question?
[21:32] <benbloom_> not sure what you mean dies_irae
[21:32] <dasKreech> dies_irae: You want a webcam appliction on the live CD?
[21:32] <dies_irae> exactly
[21:32] <dasKreech> Install Kamoso
[21:32] <dasKreech> bye
[21:35] <dies_irae> why kamoso?
[21:36] <tiago> my system is stuck on a grub menu and keeps going there no matter what version of kubuntu I select, i think it might be a crc error (it says so when I boot with xen), what can I do?
[21:47] <dies_irae> shit not working


[03:26] <hajour> good night all :)
[16:40] <JanC> http://www.signpuddle.net/plaintext/ looks interesting
[17:41] <Pici> Interesting.
[17:44] <Pici> Some of them are a bit creepy looking though: http://www.signpuddle.net/plaintext/364/index.html
[17:52] <JanC> hehe
[17:54] <JanC> "teeth on tongue movement"
[22:28] <maco> http://dankaminsky.com/2011/01/14/dankam-on-tv/
[22:33] <Pendulum> cool
[22:34] <Pendulum> ugh about some of the wording from the reporter :-/
[22:34] <maco> i havent gotten to watch since no speakers at work
[22:34] <maco> also...no decently-fast internet at home...
[22:34] <Pendulum> called colour blindness a "deficiency"
[22:34] <maco> hmm should go borrow annalee's fios for a bit
[22:40] <hajour> great that program


[00:59] <thumper> switch hurts with object files
[00:59] <thumper> perhaps switch should take into account ignored files (like .o)
[01:24] <lifeless> thumper: ack
[01:24] <lifeless> thumper: bites me all the freaking time
[01:44] <thumper> lifeless: we should come up with a plan
[02:09] <lifeless> thumper: needs  amerge conflict handler/resolver
[02:10] <mtaylor> lifeless: debian/changelog conflict handler/resolver!!!! :)
[02:13] <lifeless> mtaylor: doneish
[02:14] <lifeless> mtaylor: see the recently added merge hook
[02:15] <mtaylor> lifeless: w00t
[02:18] <keithy> I cant add files in a directory has 2.0 changed
[02:18] <keithy> are .cs files ignored by default?
[02:21] <keithy> hmm
[02:31] <RAOF> keithy: No, .cs files aren't ignored by default.  What are you trying to do and what is bzr doing instead?
[02:32] <keithy> ok..
[02:32] <keithy> I have a directory called updates
[02:32] <keithy> and when I do
[02:32] <keithy> bzr add updates/
[02:33] <keithy> and bzr status reports unkown:
[02:34] <keithy> so even basic stuff is defeating me
[02:34] <RAOF> Well, it works here.
[02:35] <RAOF> Can you pastebin the full terminal output of what you're doing and what bzr says in reply?
[02:35] <keithy> k
[02:35] <keithy> do you have a pastebin?
[02:36]  * igc lunch
[02:38] <keithy> keithy pasted "Bzr" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/93674
[02:38] <RAOF> paste.ubuntu.com works.
[02:40] <RAOF> keithy: Have you actually run “bzr add updates/”?  I don't see that in your terminal log, and that works for me.
[02:40] <keithy> yes
[02:40] <keithy> it does nothing
[02:41] <keithy> and there are 300 files in there that I expected to be added
[02:42] <RAOF> I guess another option would be “bzr add updates/*”, but I'm not sure why it hasn't worked already.
[02:43] <keithy> no that didnt work weither
[02:45] <keithy> ok I started again
[02:45] <keithy> it worked this time
[02:45] <RAOF> Heh.
[02:45] <RAOF> I wonder what was wrong, though.
[02:56] <meoblast> i pulled from another repo into mine and got http://sortedbits.ath.cx/bzr/nitrobot.bzr is permanently redirected to http://sortedbits.ath.cx/bzr/nitrobot.bzr/
[02:57] <meoblast> is that a problem?
[02:57] <meoblast> and should i be using merge instead?
[02:57] <AfC> Not a problem
[02:57] <meoblast> i'm trying to bring in someone's commit from his tree
[02:57] <meoblast> into the main tree
[02:57] <AfC> It's just saying you didn't have a trailing '/'
[02:57] <meoblast> i did have a trailing / but ok
[02:57] <AfC> [oh]
[02:58] <meoblast> but i suppose that's not a problem
[02:58] <AfC> no
[02:58] <meoblast> is pull the correct function to use to bring commits from someone else's branch into the main branch?
[03:00] <meoblast> merge doesn't do the job
[03:00] <meoblast> my commit log looks like this if i do, 1, 2, 3,  4, 5, 6, 7, 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,8
[03:02] <mwhudson> meoblast: merge is for combining lines of development, yes
[03:02] <meoblast> mwhudson: so why does it duplicate commits 1 - 7?
[03:03] <mwhudson> meoblast: it doesn't usually...
[03:03] <meoblast> mwhudson: ok, fixed
[03:04] <meoblast> when merging, do modified files in the merge come up as "modified:" as well?
[03:08] <mwhudson> meoblast: yes
[03:10] <meoblast> ok, thanks
[03:51] <mwhudson> lifeless: can i object mildly to bzrlib.tests monkeypatching traceback?
[04:06] <lifeless> mwhudson: you can object to traceback being brokeb.
[09:08]  * igc dinner
[11:36] <Ddorda> hey, Im trying to make a new branch, but for some reasons it says I don't have pernissions for that
[11:37] <Ddorda> Ive done bzr init; bzr add; bzr push lp:~ddorda/gezer/po
[11:38] <Ddorda> $ bzr push lp:~ddorda/gezer/po
[11:38] <Ddorda> Permission denied (publickey).
[11:38] <Ddorda> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[12:51] <michaelis> Hi. Is there any way to show swedish letters in bzr-explorer in windows. Or at least space character. As it is now there's a % sign and some number afterwards.
[12:57] <michaelis> Anyone?
[12:57] <keithy> ahh! I made it
[12:57] <keithy> ok...
[12:57] <keithy> its taken me so long to get here I cant remember what my question was
[12:57] <keithy> oh yes
[12:58] <keithy> is there an automatic directory contents tracking feature yey
[12:58] <keithy> yet
[12:58] <keithy> so you can add a directory and all its contents
[12:58] <keithy> non-manually
[12:58] <keithy> bzr add-and-track-contents somedirectorywherepeopleputstuff
[12:59] <michaelis> Why does bzr-explorer in win xp show %20 instead of a space character?
[13:04] <keithy> it looks like add doesnt have this option arg
[13:06] <mzz> keithy: err, using what tool? "bzr add directory" works for me...
[13:06] <mzz> I must be misunderstanding your question
[13:06] <mzz> bzr add --no-recurse directory for just the directory
[13:09] <keithy> but what if someone adds a file after you have done bzr add directory/
[13:09] <keithy> it is not managed is it
[13:11] <maxb> No, and this is intentional
[14:21] <NET||abuse> hey guys.
[14:21] <NET||abuse> just trying to add files to a repo on a webserver, so i can download the site through bzr.
[14:22] <NET||abuse> i am on the ssh root
[14:22] <NET||abuse> on the ssh shell as the website owners user, not root, sorry
[14:22] <NET||abuse> i have a web/ dir and a bzrsrc diri i've made
[14:22] <NET||abuse> i did bzr init on the bzrsrc
[14:23] <NET||abuse> then i copy in all the files under web
[14:23] <NET||abuse> then bzr add *
[14:23] <NET||abuse> then i try to bzr ci      it rolls through tons and eventually gets to a pdf, and hangs.
[14:23] <mzz> if anything in there is huge it may just be slow
[14:23] <NET||abuse> i can ctrl+c outa the commit action, but of course i'm scared that'll ruin something.
[14:24] <NET||abuse> it's only 5.4MB
[14:24] <NET||abuse> just sitting there.
[14:24] <mzz> fishy
[14:24] <NET||abuse> how can i debug this/
[14:24] <NET||abuse> ?
[14:25] <mzz> I'd consider strace-ing the process to see what it's doing
[14:25] <NET||abuse> strace-ing?
[14:25] <mzz> assuming that server runs linux
[14:26] <mzz> from your description it sounds like you're doing something quite normal and the only reason I can think of for a hang would be disk io being slow for some reason
[14:26] <NET||abuse> it's ubuntu dapper.
[14:26] <NET||abuse> sorry, ubuntu hardy.
[14:26] <NET||abuse> 8.04.3
[14:31] <NET||abuse> so how do i run this strace
[14:31] <NET||abuse> ?
[14:31] <NET||abuse> still sitting there for the last 4 minutes.
[14:31] <NET||abuse> ahhhhh, finished!!!!!! crap
[14:31] <NET||abuse> woah, splity
[14:35] <jam> morning all
[14:37] <vila> morning jam !
[14:37]  * vila almost miss the message in the storm....
[14:38] <vila> s/miss/missed/
[14:38] <michaelis> Hi everyone.
[14:38] <michaelis> I could use some help.
[14:40] <rubbs> what do you need michaelis
[14:41] <michaelis> If a have an old revision and update it with bzr update, then my local changes still remain intact and I have to bzr commit to update the working tree. But after running bzr update, is there a way to see what the differences are between my local tree and the tree on the server?
[14:44] <michaelis> Maybe it works as a shell command but it most certainly doesn't work in bzr-explorer.
[14:44] <rubbs> not sure if this will work but try doing "bzr diff 'Path-to-remote-branch'"
[14:44] <rubbs> oh, bzr-explorer... um. just a sec. I'll check
[14:45] <michaelis> There are possibilties to define aliases in bzr-explorer but how do I run them in the explorer?
[14:48]  * mzz wonders what RAOF is doing
[14:49] <rubbs> michaelis: I"m not sure about either of those questions :( I'm sorry. I wish igc was up.
[14:50] <rubbs> vila: do you know anything about bzr-explorer or know of anyone who does? michaelis has some advance usage questions.
[14:51] <vila> rubbs: sry, my front-end is emacs :-/
[14:52] <vila> michaelis: after an update, your working tree will be like the remote tree *plus* your local changes
[14:52] <rubbs> np... just thought I'd ask. Better to ask and be wrong rather than not ask and loose out on an opertunity for help
[14:52] <vila> michaelis: so doing 'bzr diff' will be enough
[14:52] <vila> rubbs: you're welcome, I appreciate your efforts !
[14:53] <vila> gee this IRC storm is worse every minute
[14:54] <michaelis> Wait a minute.
[14:58] <vila> ubottu: behave please, that's not how a good bot stands in a channel, your programmer will be ashamed
[14:58] <rubbs> lol
[14:59] <michaelis> But the problem is that the diff button in the explorer doesn't show the difference between two versions.
[14:59] <michaelis> But there are possibilities to define aliases. How do I run them in the explorer?
[14:59] <vila> michaelis: no idea about bzr-explorer
[15:00] <vila> michaelis: 'bzr diff' will compare your branch tip to your working tree content, there is no need to specify anything
[15:01] <vila> michaelis: just after a 'bzr update' you branch tip is the last revision commit on the remote branch, so this seems to be exactly what you want
[15:01] <vila> s/you branch/your branch/
[15:03] <michaelis> Thanks. I will try it out.
[15:12] <keithy> hi
[15:12] <keithy> sure its intendional, but its not the behaviour I need
[15:12] <keithy> maxb:
[15:18] <mzz> keithy: you may be interested in the --strict switch to commit, iirc
[15:18] <keithy> ?
[15:18] <keithy> hmm
[15:19] <keithy> I just want to tell people to do a commit
[15:19] <keithy> other tools are producing the files
[15:19] <mzz> tell them to do a commit when?
[15:19] <keithy> they work in their tools the tools product files
[15:19] <mzz> bzr isn't some background process that monitors your dir for new files
[15:19] <keithy> and at the end of the day they commit and or push
[15:20] <mzz> there are a couple of operations (like bzr st, bzr ci, etc) that look at the working tree and will notice any new files
[15:20] <keithy> well it has the notion of a directory
[15:20] <keithy> do you need to tell bzr which lines of a flie to commit?
[15:20] <keithy> bzr has directories as first class objects
[15:20] <mzz> did you actually look at the --strict switch to commit I just mentioned?
[15:20] <keithy> yes
[15:21] <mzz> ok
[15:21] <keithy> so the response form commit is to tell me to go and add files manually
[15:21] <mzz> it's probably not hard to add a commit-like command or another switch to commit that just has it add any unknown files before committing
[15:21] <mzz> would that actually do what you want?
[15:21] <keithy> I guess I want a
[15:21] <keithy> bzr add --auto blah/
[15:21] <mzz> of course simply calling "bzr add; bzr commit" where you're currently running "bzr commit" would work too, in that case.
[15:22] <mzz> adding some extra metadata to tracked directories that tells bzr they should get this automagic behavior seems like a hassle
[15:35] <michaelis> Hi again.
[15:37] <michaelis> When I select a branch in the repository I in the bottom window of the explorer that the text "no parent location selected yet" is showing. What does this mean and how do I fix it?
[15:38] <michaelis> repository I in = repository I see in
[15:43] <michaelis> I'll come back tomorrow and ask the same question. Bye.
[16:03] <NET||abuse> ok, bzr crash on trying to check out a large repo, 3.1GB, probably due to backup files being included.
[16:03] <NET||abuse> data files in forms of documents and in form of uploaded mp3'aac's and other audio files. etc
[16:04] <NET||abuse> maybe i should cut them
[16:05] <keithy> mzz: hassle? it seems obvious to me
[16:05] <keithy> its hassle not having it
[16:06] <mzz> keithy: please don't enable it for me, I'd end up accidentally checking in backup files and having to uncommit them a countless number of times
[16:07] <keithy> k
[16:07] <keithy> np I wont
[16:10] <idnar> I'm surprised there isn't a bzr commit --add or somesuch
[16:15] <quicksilver> I use bzr add `bzr unknown` quite often
[16:15] <quicksilver> and sometimes bzr add `bzr unknown | grep -v no_not_that`
[16:21] <keithy> ooo interesting
[16:23] <quicksilver> keithy: typo, by the way. the command is unknowns, with an s on the end :)
[16:35] <NET||abuse> aghghh
[16:35] <NET||abuse> getting bzr: ERROR: zlib.error: Error -3 while decompressing: incorrect data check
[17:12] <jam> vila: today is the day to cut 2.0.4 and 2.1.0rc1, do you know of anything pending that needs looking at?
[17:13] <vila> jam: plain and simple: no, I'm pretty sure we landed everything timely
[17:15] <vila> jam: if you need a nudge to land your autopack fix in rc1 I can do that for you :)
[17:15] <jam> vila: its in pqm now
[17:15] <jam> the ignore exceptions is something I'd like to land
[17:16] <vila> jam: AIUI you're waiting for some feedback on perfs
[17:16] <jam> they are correct enough for rc1, perf improvements can happen for 2.1.0 final
[17:16] <jam> as a feature change, I think 2.1 is either all-or-nothing
[17:17] <jam> Whitley didn't seem to respond to my last message, so I might pick that up myself
[17:18] <maxb> Ooi, is it likely that 2.1.0rc1 will enter ~bzr-beta-ppa? That ppa is looking a bit unmaintained at the moment
[17:25] <jam> maxb: afaik it is unmaintained
[17:25] <bialix> interesting... merging 3 times with default merge algorithm, --weave and --lca produce 9, 9, and 11 conflicts
[17:25] <jam> I certainly would like it to...
[17:25] <bialix> is it normal that --lca produce extra conflicts?
[17:26] <bialix> hi jam
[17:26] <jam> bialix: as always "it depends" but I do know of cases where --lca conflicts and --weave doesn't
[17:26] <jam> and IME it conflicts more than weave
[17:26] <bialix> rarely I saw --lca produce less conflicts than --weave
[17:26] <bialix> but very rarely
[17:26] <bialix> as you say it depends
[17:27] <bialix> but in most cases weave rules
[17:27] <bialix> but today there is no criss-cross
[17:31] <maxb> jam: Hmm.... if I was interested in helping it becoming maintained, how would I proceed?
[17:32] <jam> maxb: as in, you personally maintaining it?
[17:33] <maxb> I'm not sure I'd have the time to cover all the plugins on my own, but I'd certainly be interested in doing bzr and bzrtools
[17:35] <jam> maxb: I believe we have some documentation on how to build, etc bzr for the ppa in 'doc/developers/ppa.txt'
[17:35] <jam> with possibly some other needed info in 'releasing.txt', etc.
[17:35] <jam> IIRC, johnf (who maintains ~bzr ppa) actually uses a slightly different methodology
[17:36] <jam> but hasn't had time to update the documentation, etc.
[17:36] <maxb> Perhaps the best way would be for me to set up a personal ~maxb/bzr ppa, do some packaging, and then find someone with ~bzr-beta-ppa upload permissions to review?
[17:36] <jam> (using autoppa to handle releasing for many different platforms, etc.)
[17:36] <jam> maxb: that would work
[17:36] <jam> it would also let you experiment and get it right before we start having you send it on to others :)
[17:36] <jam> btw, I have permissions
[17:36] <jam> as do all core devs, I believe
[17:37] <NET||abuse> hmm, when you branch do you use a command like   #> bzr branch bzr+ssh://user@ipaddr/var/www/webxyz/bzrsrc ./localdir
[17:37] <NET||abuse> as i tried that and it was throwing libgz errors
[17:38] <maxb> jam: If the PPA is known currently unmaintained, it would be useful to users if you could edit its description to declare that, for now
[17:40] <jam> NET||abuse: that looks approximately correct. If you are getting libgz errors that normally indicates disk corruption
[17:42] <NET||abuse> jam, wasn't at all, if i leave out the localdir location it works fine.
[17:43] <jam> NET||abuse: that would indicate that the corruption is in "localdir"
[17:43] <NET||abuse> localdir didn't exist
[17:43] <jam> NET||abuse: if "bzr branch $SOURCE" works but "bzr branch $SOURCE ./target" doesn't, then something is pretty odd
[17:43] <NET||abuse> yup,,
[17:44] <vila> transient network error ?
[17:44] <NET||abuse> if i try ./target when the dir exists, i get the already exists error
[17:44] <NET||abuse> so i know i have to specify a non existant directory
[17:45] <NET||abuse> transient: i'm on heanet, nation education authority network, very reliable,, no way it screwed up 3 times in a row.
[17:46] <jam> NET||abuse: just as a strawman, try "bzr branch $SOURCE bzrsrc" which should be the default target
[17:46] <jam> alternatively... what does 'bzr info' in the local dir say?
[17:47] <NET||abuse> jam, well i've already downloaded it so what can i do..
[17:47] <NET||abuse> trying again
[17:49] <NET||abuse> the localdir says standalone tree( format: 2a) branch root: .   Related branches: parent branch: bzr+ssh://user@ipaddr/var/www/webxyz/bzrsrc
[17:49] <NET||abuse> and that's after trying to branch and failing.
[17:49] <jam> NET||abuse: it is possible that creating the branch succeeded but building the working tree failed
[17:50] <jam> in the localdir, you could try
[17:50] <jam> rm -rf .bzr/checkout; bzr co
[17:50] <NET||abuse> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/168068
[17:50] <NET||abuse> that's the crash log.
[17:51] <NET||abuse> jam, that sounds right.
[17:51] <NET||abuse> jam, did that, immediately again it tries to export the update and gets the error
[17:52] <jam> NET||abuse: so I don't quite understand why it would not fail if you did not supply a target
[17:52] <jam> understanding the difference may be the key
[17:52] <NET||abuse> yeh i know, i've no idea why,
[17:52] <jam> because *that* traceback clearly indicates garbage data
[17:52] <NET||abuse> but every time i specify a locadir rather than letting it default to bzrsrc?
[17:53] <jam> NET||abuse: is there a 'bzrsrc' already?
[17:53] <NET||abuse> it's really weird behaviour.
[17:53] <NET||abuse> nope
[17:53] <NET||abuse> bzrsrc is only on remote
[17:53] <jam> (note you can also always do "bzr branch ...; mv bzrsrc localdir"
[17:53] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've done that already.
[17:53] <NET||abuse> i have /home/me/development/projectxyz
[17:53] <NET||abuse> so i've about 20 projectxyz's on the go in there
[17:54] <NET||abuse> for different sites, bits of code work i do,
[17:55] <NET||abuse> and my normal method of working on a site is in the user dir for the site admin, which usually has a www or web dir adjacent, is to create bzrsrc on all hosts i work on, then i can just copy the web dir's out of bzrsrc WT on the server to live serving location.
[18:01] <gerard> anyone already wrote a testcase for bug #113809?
[18:01] <gerard> otherwise I'm going to do that now
[18:18] <jam> gerard: are you talking about the discussion from here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~craighewetson/bzr/update_with_local_commit/+merge/10320
[18:18] <jam> AFAIK, nobody has stepped up to complete it
[19:55] <gerard_> davidstrauss: I'm looking at bug #113809 and I've got some questions
[19:55] <gerard_> you wrote the original patch right?
[19:56] <davidstrauss> gerard_: yes
[19:57] <gerard_> I made some minor changes, and wrote a blackbox test script
[19:57] <gerard_> but I'm wondering what bzr is supposed to do for the test_smoke_update_checkout_bound_branch_local_commits test
[19:58] <gerard_> because my patched version now give the error that there are both uncommitted changes and local commits, and that seems right
[19:59] <gerard_> I'm a little confused about the situation there.... its a lightweight checkout of a branch (and a master)
[20:00] <gerard_> and it does 1 commit to the master and 1 to the branch
[20:00] <gerard_> then it makes some changes in the lightweight checkout
[20:00] <gerard_> after that, it runs bzr update
[20:02] <gerard_> I'd expect it to only get the changes from the branch
[20:03] <gerard_> but it seems the smoke test (and current implementation) also expects the commit on master to show up
[20:04] <gerard_> davidstrauss: any ideas?
[20:05] <davidstrauss> gerard_: My fix does not affect lightweight checkouts
[20:05] <davidstrauss> gerard_: Lightweight checkouts cannot handle local commits
[20:05] <davidstrauss> gerard_: Nor did I write that test :-)
[20:07] <gerard_> bzr blame to the rescue ;)
[20:07] <gerard_> vila: you there?
[20:08] <gerard_> davidstrauss: it seems my adaptation of your fix does affect lightweight checkouts :p
[20:08] <davidstrauss> gerard_: Nor should it. My fix is irrelevant to lightweight checkouts.
[20:10] <gerard_> yeah, it should be
[20:15] <NfNitLoo`> Hrmm.
[20:15] <NfNitLoo`> can I not rebase in a bound branch?
[20:16] <NfNitLoo`> bzr: ERROR: Bound branch BzrBranch7('file:///home/codyc/bzr/smartbear/wc/') is out of date with master branch BzrBranch7('file:///home/codyc/bzr/smartbear/dynreport-newcols/').
[20:16] <NfNitLoo`> I start with a clean checkout.  then try to rebase.
[20:17] <NfNitLoo`> then I get the above error and get a working-tree with an odd state.
[20:17] <NfNitLoo`> I'll try it in a standalone branch.
[20:21] <NfNitLoo`> yeah, seems to be working much better w/o the bound branch.
[20:21] <NfNitLoo`> maybe it should warn you about that?  ;)
[20:35] <gerard_> how can I check I'm in a lightweight checkout?
[20:42] <NfNitLoop> gerard_: gerard_ bzr info, I think.
[20:42]  * NfNitLoop checks.
[20:42] <NfNitLoop> yep, the Location: will say "light checkout root: <rootdir>"
[20:45] <gerard_> this looks like the check it is using: if (tree is not None and tree.bzrdir.root_transport.base != branch.bzrdir.root_transport.base)
[20:45] <gerard_> hmmm
[20:49] <gerard_> gmbl
[20:50] <gerard_> the real problem here seems to be that bzr update will happily do a string of merges, even if there are conflicts along the way
[20:50] <gerard_> so if you update, it will merge with the branch you bound to, and then with the branch that branch is bound to etc etc
[20:52] <fm_> just found an easily reproducable bug in bzr-gtk see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557573
[21:42] <gerard_> is Robert Collins around?
[21:46] <jam> gerard_his handle is lifeless
[21:46] <jam> and he pretty much always lurks :)
[21:46] <jam> I think he is at LCA this week, so I don't know if will be around to answer right away
[21:55] <gerard_> ok
[21:55] <gerard_> currently bzr update will keep on merging as long as it encounters a bound branch that is not up to date
[21:56] <gerard_> I think it should stop after one merge and notify the user
[21:57] <gerard_> because the way it currently is causes a mess with local changes and bound branches
[21:58] <gerard_> even when there are no local changes but just conflicts between commits on the chain from master to bound branch to bound branch to bound branch
[21:58] <gerard_> I found a comment in the code wondering if it is such a wise Idea to allow binding to an already bound branch
[21:59] <Glenjamin> jfroy: are you around at all? i'm having some problems getting bzr-keychain to do anything
[22:02] <NfNitLoop> gerard_: whoah, I never even thought of doing that.
[22:02] <NfNitLoop> (binding to a bound branch.)
[22:03] <Glenjamin> does that chain?
[22:03] <gerard_> I think so....
[22:04] <gerard_> but you can get conflicts in the conflicts in the conflicts currently
[22:04] <jam> Glenjamin, gerard_: no, commit will stop if it sees a bound branch of a bound branch
[22:04] <gerard_> so you can end up with a file.moved.moved etc
[22:04] <jam> gerard_: the update you are talking about is different
[22:04] <gerard_> jam: commit will, but update wont
[22:04] <jam> and has to do with local commits + local changes + remote ones
[22:05] <jam> gerard_: I'm not positive, but i'm pretty sure it only looks at 1 master
[22:05] <gerard_> jam: really?
[22:05] <gerard_> hmm
[22:05] <jam> gerard_: yep, but in a heavyweight checkout you have
[22:05] <jam> 1) the current revision of the working tree
[22:05] <jam> 2) local modifications to the working tree
[22:05] <jam> 3) the current revision of the local branch
[22:05] <jam> 4) the current revision of the master branh
[22:05] <jam> branch
[22:06] <jam> and 'update' is currently designed to "smush" that so that
[22:06] <jam> 1 == 3 == 4
[22:06] <gerard_> and we can only do a 3 way merge
[22:06] <gerard_> forcing people to do a local commit first isn't going to work
[22:06] <kbrown> hi, I'm in the process of installing the latest Bazaar on OS X 10.6.2, found I had a previous v 1.3 installed apparently. Is there an uninstaller for 1.3 somewhere? Or what do I need to do to get rid of it?
[22:07] <gerard_> because there are lightweight commits
[22:09] <gerard_> so we should just do one of the merges (3,1,2)
[22:09] <gerard_> and then push
[22:09] <zsquareplusc> hmm, the fist time a package fails to install... and it's the bzr upgrade in karmic..
[22:10] <gerard_> hmmm
[22:10] <gerard_> this is hard
[22:10] <gerard_> for a lightweight 1 == 3 right?
[22:11] <gerard_> ah, it doesn't have to
[22:18] <NfNitLoop> kbrown: I generally just run the installer and it will overwrite the old version.
[22:19] <NfNitLoop> kbrown: if you want to be paranoid, you could find the bzrlib directory in your python libraries and delete it.
[22:20] <kbrown> the one issue I discovered was bzr was in /usr/bin before and now is in /usr/local/bin, when I did bzr from Terminal it does not pick up the correct one it seems
[22:20] <NfNitLoop> kbrown: aah, yep.  Delete the old one.
[22:20] <NfNitLoop> kbrown: I have also wished for an uninstaller, but I don't think there is on. :/
[22:20] <NfNitLoop> one*
[22:21] <kbrown> did that, I suppose the bzrlib is ok then after the new install?
[22:23] <NfNitLoop> kbrown: Yep.  the bzr executable will complain otherwise.
[22:23] <NfNitLoop> (It'll tell you that the exe and library versions differ.)
[22:24] <gerard_> bzr log doesn't show revision 0?
[22:25] <fullermd> No, rev0 doesn't exactly exist.
[22:25] <gerard_> aww
[22:25] <gerard_> that's the classic vcs problem
[22:25] <lifeless> revision 0 is a theoetical thing
[22:25] <fullermd> It got caught in flagrante delicto with rev -1, so we banned it for life.
[22:25] <gerard_> so I can have a theoretical thing with a date and a commit message?
[22:25] <gerard_> doesn't sound too theoretical to me
[22:26] <kbrown> NfNitLoop: thx
[22:26] <gerard_> lifeless: anyway, I wanted to ask you something
[22:26] <gerard_> about the double merge that bzr update sometimes does
[22:27] <gerard_> if the first step has a conflict things get seriously messed up
[22:28] <gerard_> I did quite some bzr annotate and it seems you were the one to add that second merge
[22:28] <lifeless> yes
[22:28] <lifeless> so bzr should just stop there
[22:29] <gerard_> that's my current assumption
[22:29] <gerard_> but I'm not too sure
[22:31] <lifeless> I've checked with abentley who wrote the main merge code and he still thinks stopping there would be good
[22:32] <gerard_> does the rest of the code allow a commit after the merge stops at that point?
[22:33] <gerard_> something in the situation has to change, otherwise rerunning merge will not have any effect
[22:33] <gerard_> ehm, rerunning update*
[22:36] <lifeless> fix the conflict, run update again.
[22:36] <lifeless> should work f ine in the postulated situation.
[22:36] <lifeless> bbiab, fooding
[22:36] <gerard_> so only stop when there is a conflict?
[22:36] <gerard_> because it seems the policy of bzr to always explicitly commit after a merge
[22:41] <lifeless> yes, that should be fine here.
[22:41] <lifeless> you won't need to commit after the first merge in this situation.
[22:42] <lifeless> because its an update.
[22:42] <Kilroo> I keep feeling like I've almost found the silver bullet, and then realizing I skipped a step.
[22:43] <Kilroo> A lot of the stuff I deal with at work is still on raw FTP with no source control, despite a very slow process that has been under way for several months now to try to move everything to svn (and the stuff that is on svn so far is doing it wrong).
[22:45] <Kilroo> I was trying to figure out a way that I could still use bzr to make my own life easier, but I keep running up against the fact that in order for it to work, either everyone else would have to stop doing direct ftp, or I'd have to be able to install bzr on the server.
[22:45] <Kilroo> Oh well.
[22:47] <NfNitLoop> Kilroo: sounds like a good time to look for a new job? :p
[22:47] <fullermd> I was thinking that a silver (or other metal) bullet would be a useful tool to stop the direct FTP   8-}
[22:47] <NfNitLoop> Seriously.  If you're at a company that's seriously doing development via ftp in 2010... run.
[22:48] <Kilroo> Yeah, well, if I can get them to stop dumping major database projects on me for a little while, I'm going to try to do something to change that.
[22:52] <Ddorda> can anyone help me? bzr doesn't want to upload my new branch. Ive done init and add, but it says I don't have permissions when it gets to push...
[22:52] <Kilroo> Unfortunately my campaign is going to involve going up against a systems administrator who is leery of DVCS (and I think might actually like cvs better than svn) and thinks fusionforge is good stuff, and two levels of supervisors who are going to be very hard to sell on using something like Redmine instead of the VIP Task Manager program we're using now...
[23:07] <Kilroo> I've been reading through some stuff about the differences between git and bzr lately. It can get pretty interesting.
[23:07] <gerard_> lifeless: not performing the second merge loses your uncommitted changes
[23:08] <gerard_> it's the first that needs skipping
[23:08] <Kilroo> One sentence I thought was pretty apt in a lot of ways was something along the lines of how git focuses more on the code and bzr focuses more on the developer.
[23:09] <gerard_> Kilroo: I like the power of git, but I'm pleasantly surprised by the versatility and code quality of bzr
[23:10] <gerard_> M1->M2  M1->B2 M1->(uncommitted changes)
[23:10] <NfNitLoop> Ddorda: Did you forget a 'bzr commit' step?   also, bzr push *will* fail if you don't have write permission.  What type of location are you pushing to?
[23:11] <gerard_> first step: M1->M2 M1->B2->(uncommitted changes) M1->B2->(uncommitted changes)
[23:11] <gerard_> second step: M1->B2->M2->(uncommitted changes) ... ...
[23:11] <gerard_> seems the most logical to me
[23:16] <Kilroo> In some ways it seems to me that the way git evolved is (very) roughly analogous to coming up with the 2a format and then building bzr to interact with it
[23:17] <gerard_> yeah
[23:17] <gerard_> and building it using mostly shell scripts
[23:18] <gerard_> but still, it works quite well for such a big hack
[23:19] <Kilroo> One of the assertions made a few years ago by a git advocate regarding whether bzr is truly distributed also led me to thinking that one of the key differences in philosophy between the two is that git is sort of distributed from the ground up, whereas bzr is distributed more as the logical extremity of starting from the centralized mindset and decentralizing it.
[23:19] <lifeless> gerard_: uh
[23:19] <gerard_> hehe
[23:19] <lifeless> gerard_: I don't quite follow, but I'm tired after a week of conference
[23:19] <lifeless> put it in the bug please, so I can mull on it. Note that *both merges are needed*. But we can choose to do one later.
[23:19] <gerard_> what I mean if that a checkout has local changes, those need to go to the bound branch first, and only with the second update + commit they go to the master
[23:20] <gerard_> I'm tired too, it's getting late
[23:20] <gerard_> I'll attach what I have now to the bug
[23:21] <Kilroo> Or to put it another way, git is (to put it in git terms) a content-addressable file system with version control built on top of it and collaboration built on top of that, whereas bzr is a version control system that is largely designed for collaboration but works quite well for solo work anyhow.
[23:23] <Kilroo> I think I'll stop making vague comments about stuff I halfway understand now. At least for a little while.
[23:24] <Kilroo> I still think it's funny that bzr can do a better (or at least easier) job of fixing the wrong way we're using subversion than subversion can though. Even without switching to bzr.
[23:26] <Kilroo> ...in case you're curious...for some strange reason, the projects that have already been moved to subversion have a production repository and a development repository, instead of branches. It's basically like having plain ftp with a production server and a dev server, except with history and accountability.
[23:27] <Kilroo> But it does still beat having ONE server with a lot of files named things like index_v2_test4.php
[23:27] <igc> morning
[23:28] <Kilroo> maurng.
[23:34] <gerard_> Kilroo: some people clearly don't understand the idea of version control
[23:35] <gerard_> but well, sometimes I don't either
[23:35] <gerard_> confusing stuff
[23:37] <Kilroo> gerard_: I think part of the issue is that for a while the development team was either small enough or having enough turnover that nobody even thought about how good an idea version control would be long enough to do anything about it
[23:37] <gerard_> when I started at my job a few months ago they weren't using any vcs ;)
[23:38] <gerard_> I am the 4 developer so it isn't that big of a team
[23:38] <Kilroo> To be honest, at first I wouldn't even have understood the problem with the way we're using svn.
[23:39] <Kilroo> The only source control I'd used before was VSS with a max of four developers (two most of the time I was there).
[23:39] <Kilroo> I actually came across bzr specifically because of its ability to use an ftp dumb server, and branched out to learn about git and hg and darcs and so forth from there.
[23:40] <Kilroo> I keep meaning to sit down and write out a thorough explanation of how awesome a DVCS would be and how svn would be inferior and try to push for adoption.
[23:42] <Kilroo> I have to admit, though, that despite how much I like bzr, I'm tempted to try out the other alternatives and make my final recommendation based primarily on which one has the best eclipse plugin. Which I suspect at the moment might be Mercurial.
[23:48] <mzz> Kilroo: I'm not a heavy svn user, but afaik the idea is for bzr to be a *superset* of svn, not just an alternative. So other than various kinds of inertia (learning slightly different tools, converting repos, etc) bzr is imho a better choice than svn
[23:50] <Kilroo> mzz: I agree. Matter of fact, now that the latest beta of bzr seems not to choke on our svn repositories, I am hoping to find time to set up so that I am at least using bzr as an svn superclient and for local branching, even if I can't sway the powers that be on the main choice.
[23:51] <mlh> svn is a worse choice than bzr,git,hg in every aspect except unfortunately where it matters: mind share and tool/system/ide integration
[23:52] <Kilroo> From what I've gathered, while some things I've read seem to imply that git-svn has had the shortest cumulative duration of not working due to new releases of one side of it or the other, bzr works more seamlessly with svn than any of the other DVCS bridges.
[23:52] <ronny> mlh: well, my ide has better hg/git/bzr inregration than svn integration :P
[23:53] <mlh> er, change 'matters' for 'sometimes matters for organisations in a corporationy way'
[23:53] <mlh> ronny: NICE!
[23:53] <gerard_> lifeless: attached a patch to prevent update when there are local changes + local commits
[23:53] <mlh> what ide .. emacs?
[23:53] <ronny> mlh: pida
[23:53] <gerard_> might have some time to look at stopping after the first merge this weekend
[23:53] <ronny> mlh: well,, partial reason is - i coded the current vcs integration, and svn just sucked
[23:53] <ronny> even worse than git
[23:55] <Kilroo> I also haven't really gotten the impression that any of the other DVCSes besides bzr are particularly interested in working on two-way integration with the other tools. Imports, yes. Exports, maybe. Use X to work directly with repositories of Y...bzr seems to be the only one pushing for it much.
[23:55] <ronny> bzr/hg works best, but i strongly prefer hg cause its api works like my mind ticks
[23:55] <ronny> Kilroo: there is hg-git, hg-svn, and jelmer pushes for a hg-bzr based on bzr-hg
[23:56] <ronny> and git is kind of lost, cause it lacks custom metadata
[23:57] <Kilroo> ronny: I think I'd noticed hg-bzr but hadn't come across hg-git. And I'd almost be inclined to consider that to be bzr pushing for hg-bzr more than hg pushing for it, 'coz I mostly know of jelmer for his bzr work.
[23:57] <ronny> Kilroo: jelmer is a bzr core dev
[23:58] <ronny> well, and it is based on bzr-hg
[23:58] <ronny> there is a certain metadata gap, cause hg handles file-histories different than bzr
[23:58] <Kilroo> He could have just been a casual contributor and that would still be what I knew him for. The only dev whose name I've really latched onto for any of the others is, uh, Torvalds.
[23:59] <ronny> yes, that borderline nut with too much media pressence :P


[00:02] <studio-user192> hola
 hi
 Welcome to all the new people. I want to mention that this is a support channel. If you're here, it's to receive support or help others. We have a separate social channel linked at https://ubuntustudio.org/community.
[05:04] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> @Eickmeyer [Without knowing anything about your system's audio, there's no way to tell. Usin …], In alsamixer i can hear audio from both mic and line source, but i cant record them together in OBS.  So i decided to use external usb soundcard for multiple input to work in qjackctl then able to use in OBS.  But I have one prob
[05:04] <studiobot> lem when using usb soundcard, it always make buzzing sound from this thing.  Can I remove this buzzing sound?
[05:05] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> Like one of my recording here you can clearly hear buzzing sound in the background caused by mic in usb external soundcard. https://youtu.be/x3xh841Tvgg
 @Bayu Setiawan [In alsamixer i can hear audio from both mic and line source, but i cant record t …], What you’re trying to do is not possible with qjackctl. Use Ubuntu Studio Controls to configure your sound as it will let you use multiple audio devices at the same time. qjackctl will not.
[05:12] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> @Eickmeyer [What you’re trying to do is not possible with qjackctl. Use Ubuntu Studio Contro …], Yes, for this time i think it will not possible using multiple input jack from one soundcard.  I mean, we can hear multiple sound but we cant use it in any recording application, just one source allowed from the same soundcard, a
[05:12] <studiobot> m i right? … Or any method to get this things work?
 @Bayu Setiawan [Yes, for this time i think it will not possible using multiple input jack from o …], If you’re trying to do multiple inputs & outputs on the same audio device, what you need is what’s called an audio interface. Standard consumer sound cards are not made to do this.
 Basically, it’s a hardware limitation.
[05:16] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> Ok, thanks for your advice mr @Eickmeyer
 You’re welcome.
[05:17] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> I will ask again if any problem occured
 Ok
[08:42] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> Finally, i figured out how to use mic and line in together for recording, little bit a tricky but worth to try.  It bassically using loop sound to transfer output sound from front headphone to front mic via Aux cable.  Then use that captured sound to use for recording in any application/program
[08:43] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/by5RBDZ.jpg
[08:44] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> Picture above is jack im using for raw audio source from device and also monitoring.  Mic, headphone, and line in jack.  First audio come through those jack
[08:44] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/OFugqhb.jpg
[08:45] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> In front panel, connect headphone and mic jack via aux cable so the output from line and mic can be heard and captured in front mic
[08:46] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/YPJkU0z.jpg
[08:47] <studiobot> <Bayu Setiawan> (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/H1RSteK.jpg Set front mic as input device, so your app/program can use the data from it flawlessly
[16:36] <sakrecoer> Bayu Setiawan: couldn't you also connect the pulse sink to whatever recording software you use in jack? :)
[23:35] <studiobot> VitaliyMiroprav was added by: VitaliyMiroprav


[16:26] <andygraybeal> what  hardware management applications do you guys use?  i'm trying to do service work here at home to pay the bills and people bring me their comptures and want linux installed.  i'd like to record the machine information and some notes on what i did to it and when i serviced it.  i've looked at OTRS and that seems a bit much.. but it looks awesome.  any ideas?
[16:27] <andygraybeal> i got a line of work that keeps steadily growing
[16:27] <andygraybeal> and i want to stay organizd... right now it's ... it's some hick that lives in the hills in the middle of nowhere working on their computers.
[16:28] <andygraybeal> my office is a wreck and people enter through the 14ft garage door.
[16:30] <andygraybeal> inventory management or hardware management or asset management type stuff
[16:32] <andygraybeal> maybe odoo/openerp ...
[18:19] <andygraybeal> i'm going to try openatrium


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 @X, Link to the bug?
 Someone has to reproduce this. It could be just my local something
 KDE BUG 396184, 405044, 411413, 414122
 does your backtrace match any of those?
 Console output is the same
 The only bug with konsole output is not helpful. Also does not crash here.
 Bacause you're on focal, when I'm still using aeon with backports
 I tried that before I copied, and didn't crash then. I will retry later.
 @X, So far, not been able to make it crash on Eoan with backports yet.
 `rm -rf .cache/elisa/ .local/share/elisa/`
 @X, so what?
 If you mean it crashes on a clean config, then no it didn't here
 What about cleaning up Baloo config then?
 Please just specify a way to reproduce the crash
 I was looking at putting a stable branch git snapshot into focal anyway, so maybe we can test with that
 It crashes on start without me doing anything
 I can't do anything to reproduce it then
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks