[08:47] <burbuja> no, I did not have ubuntu / kubuntu yet
[08:47] <burbuja> now I have sid, if I install kubuntu, will it bind my /home partition?
[08:48] <jtmoney> oh wait, you should be fine with a 9600
[08:48] <jtmoney> burbuja: you can do advanced partitioning and set all that
[08:48] <burbuja> ok, thank you
[08:48] <burbuja> I am collecting information for now
[08:50] <jtmoney> np
[08:50] <jtmoney> always good to collect
[08:50] <rubso> I think i'm done. :/ Back to WinXP it seems.
[08:50] <jtmoney> hmm
[08:50] <jtmoney> i like ubuntu much more than i do debian
[08:50] <jtmoney> but i run vista on my main box
[08:50] <jtmoney> why not dual boot?
[08:50] <SandGorgon_> i just got a message that compositing has been turned off because it is too slow - why did this happen, I only did a suspend/resum
[08:51] <rubso> I have an Ubuntu that runs flawlessly. but my experience with Kubuntu was and still bad. since it's first release.
[08:51] <jtmoney> SandGorgon_: that's related to performance of your video card... either it's not powerful enough (older hardware), or you found a bug
[08:51] <jtmoney> rubso: yeah, a lot of people say use opensuse for kde :-X
[08:51] <SandGorgon_> jtmoney: well i have a nvidia 7400 - good enough to play warcraft... how do i see if it is a bug ? (desktop effects are enabled)
[08:52] <jtmoney> i dunno, maybe search bugtracker
[08:52] <rubso> jtmoney: :/ but no good localization support.
[08:52] <burbuja> ahhhhhhh, jtmoney sorry to break into one more /home will not be formated after it has been bind, right?
[08:52] <jtmoney> ahh, i'm not totally sure, burbuja
[08:52] <jtmoney> i use the defaults heh
[08:52] <jtmoney> well, except for my RAID-1 box
[08:52] <burbuja> ok :)
[09:05] <raylu> burbuja: "bind?"
[09:06] <burbuja> sorry I will look in dictionary
[09:06] <raylu> burbuja: are you installing with manual partitioning?
[09:06] <burbuja> yes
[09:07] <burbuja> I have another distro now
[09:07] <burbuja> I am thinking about go to kubuntu
[09:07] <burbuja> I want to format and install to sda1
[09:07] <burbuja> binding my /home without changes
[09:08] <raylu> if you don't tick the "Format" checkbox, it won't be formatted
[09:08] <raylu> only the partition mounted at / needs to be formatted
[09:08] <burbuja> nice :) I expected something like this
[09:08] <burbuja> and what about my .kde 4,2 settings ?
[09:08] <burbuja> or application settings
[09:09] <burbuja> have i to delete them before?
[09:09] <burbuja> from the /home
[09:09] <burbuja> kubuntu uses as well kde 4.x
[09:09] <burbuja> so I am not sure what would be the best
[09:11] <raylu> m... i'm not sure
[09:11] <raylu> i've used kde3 back in kubuntu 7.10 and 7.04 :P
[09:11] <raylu> back then, ~/.kde was for kde3 and ~/.kde4 was for kde4
[09:11] <raylu> now, ~/.kde is for kde4
[09:11] <burbuja> yes
[09:11] <burbuja> I have ~-.kde
[09:11] <burbuja> I have ~/.kde
[09:12] <burbuja> in verision 4.2.2
[09:12] <torbjorn_> Hey, everyone. After upgrading to Jaunty, my Kopete won't connect. Also, launching Konversation seems to crash my machine. X disappears and ICMP pings go unanswered ..
[09:12] <torbjorn_> using foss ati driver, upgraded from clean intrepid install
[09:14] <Guest38817> is there a reason for nepomuk server to start at boot ?
[09:15] <lorecaster> in order to get autocad working in wine (or should i say Whine?), i need to update my drivers for nvidia to 180.51, can someone give me a hand?
[09:16] <bo0ts__> Holly shit...
[09:16] <lorecaster> language ;)
[09:16] <bo0ts__> The new network manager is a single bug~~
[09:16] <bo0ts__> Ah, sorry. I'm just a little frustrated.
[09:17] <lorecaster> i've been working at this particular desk for 18 hours fixing bugs
[09:17] <lorecaster> ... in the last 24
[09:17] <bo0ts__> Thanks.
[09:18] <bo0ts__> It just feel weird that there Ubuntu is releasing Jaunty even if there is so much to do.
[09:18] <bo0ts__> -there
[09:18] <Daskreech> Releasing on a particualr day is more important than anything else
[09:18] <lorecaster> i installed the fresh install today.... downloaded almost 500 updates :P
[09:19] <lorecaster> dask, got any advice on that driver?
[09:19] <Daskreech> lorecaster: Which?
[09:19] <lorecaster> need nvidia 180.51 (arethusa tells me) to run cad in wine
[09:19] <Daskreech> lorecaster: ask in #winehq
[09:20] <lorecaster> they told me to 'pester' you guys for help with installing .51... -tear-
[09:23] <RyanVanDiemen> hi guys, what are your impressions on new kubuntu?
[09:24] <MarcoPau> hello, my kubuntu jackalope fails loading mysqld. it'll idle a few seconds on the loading of the daemon, then gives fail output
[09:24] <RyanVanDiemen> I`m a gnome user, but I like KDE4, i`M about to install ubuntu today but you can turn me over to kde4 before that ;-)
[09:25] <Daskreech> what version is offered in the repos?
[09:26] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: Have you tried the Live CD ?
[09:26] <SandGorgon_> how do i get a list of ALL installed software in kpackagekit ?
[09:27] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: I tried RC but there are few things I don`t loke but with some help I should be able to get around them...
[09:27] <kathrin> Moin!
[09:27] <RyanVanDiemen> I love the look of KDE4, but somehow I always go back to gnome...
[09:27] <Daskreech> SandGorgon_: dpkg -l ?
[09:27] <kathrin> nach Upgrade auf Jaunty: 100% Prozessorauslastung
[09:27] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: shoot
[09:27] <Daskreech> !de
[09:28] <kathrin> Hab ich jetzt Windows Verhältnisse?
[09:28] <Daskreech> kathrin: ^^^
[09:28] <RurouniJones> Are the nVidia binary drivers packaged up for 9.04 64bit?
[09:28] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: well, firstly I don`t like when I copy files from one drive to antoher, dolphin always gives me information that it wasn`t able to change the file permissions
[09:29] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: To a NTFS/FAT drive I'll assume ?
[09:29] <RyanVanDiemen> yeah, ntfs drive
[09:29] <RyanVanDiemen> I don`t care about changing file permissions, I don`t want that info to show all the time
[09:29] <SandGorgon_> Daskreech: but in kpackagekit ? the GUI
[09:31] <clau30> what is wrong with openoffice in jaunty? in looks like in windows (i.e. ugly) and I have no icons
[09:33] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: Ok I don't know :) I haven't had a drive with NTFS or FAT in about 3 years
[09:33] <Daskreech> maybe 4
[09:34] <Daskreech> SandGorgon_: Not sure haven't looked
[09:34] <RyanVanDiemen> Daksreech: good for you :)
[09:34] <Daskreech> clau30: Might need kde icons?
[09:34] <lorecaster> i need NTFS for my thumbdrives... when transferring to windows machines
[09:34] <lorecaster> lost of sheep around
[09:37] <Daskreech> hi robertknight
[09:45] <cavaradossi> hi
[09:46] <cavaradossi> i try to create a vpn connection (pptp) i take the error: Failed  beause connection attemp time ou
[09:46] <cavaradossi> r
[09:46] <cavaradossi> t
[09:46] <cavaradossi> what does it mean ?
[09:47] <cavaradossi> i try to create a vpn connection (pptp) i take the error: Failed  beause connection attemp time out, what does it means ?
[09:47] <clau30> thanks Daskreech, I'll try it out
[09:47] <robertknight> Daskreech: pong
[09:48] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: I suppose that you can tone down the messages
[09:48] <Daskreech> robertknight: How are you?
[09:48] <clau30> does anyone know if you can get plasma-widget-network-manager to work with static ips?
[09:48] <robertknight> Good thanks
[09:49] <cavaradossi> i try to create a vpn connection vpn  (pptp) i take the error: Failed  beause connection attemp time out, what does it means ?
[09:49] <clau30> cavaradossi: maybe a firewall blocking connections? you have to give more detaul
[09:49] <x3cion> hum
[09:49] <cavaradossi> the firewall on router?
[09:49] <clau30> I can't know how and what are you trying to do, please be more specific
[09:50] <vital__> hi, i just installed 9.04 and my yakuake and konsole are not working!
[09:50] <x3cion> I've a laptop with an external monitor connected. I wrote some things in my xorg.conf ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/157038/ ) so it starts up with dualview and such. The problem is, my internal lcd starts up with 1280x854, even though it's native resolution is 1440x900 (xrandr -q: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157040/ ). How can I ensure, that my lcd has the right resolution from start on?
[09:50]  * Daskreech welcomes Trouble
[09:50] <x3cion> vital__, did you start yakuake at all?
[09:50] <vital__> yep, they open up and all, but they dont even show the prompt
[09:50] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: I think so, haven`t posted anything on the forums yet, but I probably will along with other things I don`t like in KDE4 but can most probably be worked out
[09:51] <vital__> and i cant type anything
[09:51] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: That was a slight hint that you should continue the things that you don't like :)
[09:51] <vital__> tried to reinstall yakuake, but it doesnt work
[09:52] <vital__> and the same thing in konsole
[09:52] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: yeah, sometimes I`m just too lazy...and it all works well in gnome without doing anything if you know what I mean...
[09:52] <Daskreech> Yeah. It's on release 26 KDE is on release 2
[09:52] <clau30> !pastebin cavaradossi
[09:53] <clau30> !pastebin
[09:53] <Daskreech> clau30: use |
[09:53] <clau30> thanks :)
[09:53] <clau30> !pastebin | cavaradossi
[09:53] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: I thought that 9.04 will be the version I will swithc completely to KDE but in the end I downloaded Ubuntu/gnome version yesterday, but am still thinking about switching
[09:53] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: Gnome has had a bit more time to polish. As I recall they hit release 8 or 12 before people were comfortable with the 2 series
[09:54] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: That's fine let me hear some of you other gripes. Maybe we can assuade them or at least we can start working on them
[09:54] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: well I used KDE 4.0 for some time and I have to say they went a long way since then...
[09:55] <Daskreech> Oh quite a lot
[09:55] <Daskreech> 4.3 isn't as big a jump but 4.4 looks really good again
[09:55] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: another thing is that whenever I enter a password to some application it offers me to remember it in that password manager (whatever it`s called in KDE)
[09:55] <RyanVanDiemen> I don`t want him to show me that question
[09:56] <Daskreech> just disable the kwalletmanager or use a blank password
[09:56] <RyanVanDiemen> where can I disable kwallet ?
[09:57] <Daskreech> systemsettings
[09:57] <RyanVanDiemen> ok, I thought this one might be easy actually
[09:58] <kalel> hello
[09:58] <RyanVanDiemen> there`s one more thing but this might be a little tricky and I might not be able to tell you all info since I`m not on my home laptop now, but I`m somehow not able to run wireless on my laptop (it`s working in gnome). I choose my network, enter password but somehow it just doesn`t connect. this was release cand. I tried this on, but I don`t expect to be any different in final release...
[09:59] <kalel> i'm sorry for my english, i'm italian
[09:59] <kalel> do they help me?
[09:59] <Daskreech> !it
[10:00] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: hidden network essid?
[10:00] <kalel> in unbuntu-it they don't help me
[10:00] <RyanVanDiemen> no, it`s not hidden
[10:01] <clau30> !ppt
[10:01] <clau30> !pptp
[10:01] <Daskreech> nixternal: still up?
[10:02] <kalel> i have a problem, i don't listen music online on dada :'( why?
[10:04] <Daskreech> kalel: Did you install libxine1-ffmepg ?
[10:05] <clau30> does anyone know if you can get plasma-widget-network-manager to work with static ips?
[10:05] <Daskreech> clau30: You should be able to
[10:05] <kalel> daskreech yes
[10:06] <Daskreech> Not that I know that but you should be able to
[10:07] <clau30> Daskreech: I can set it up but it won't connect
[10:07] <kalel> daskreech help me
[10:08] <kalel> daskreech, do you known dada.it?
[10:09] <yao_ziyuan> when i click a button, there is a slight drum sound
[10:09] <yao_ziyuan> is it a kde sound event or a gnome sound event?
[10:09] <clau30> kalel: have you ever been able to listen there?
[10:09] <Daskreech> kalel: No It's a radio station ?
[10:10] <Daskreech> yao_ziyuan: drums are normally ubuntu's version of Gnome
[10:11] <kalel> daskreech, no. it's a network like itunes where i play and download music :(
[10:12] <kalel> clau30: no
[10:12] <Daskreech> kalel: And it never worked before? what did you use before?
[10:13] <kalel> daskreech, if you want, you try to go in this site
[10:14] <kalel> daskreech, i'm used dada.it in windows without problems, but in ubuntu it's impossible :(
[10:14] <Daskreech> sì
[10:14] <Daskreech> So you click to buy?
[10:15] <clau30> kalel: I fear that the player is somehow only windows-compatible (couldn't figure out what technology they're using)
[10:15] <kalel> daskreech: yes. But i want to listen music without buy
[10:15] <peace_> linux is to windows
[10:15] <kalel> buy is possible
[10:15] <peace_> *is not
[10:15] <Daskreech> kalel: how did you do that in Windows ?
[10:15] <clau30> kalel: you can try last.fm :)
[10:16] <RyanVanDiemen> bloody hell, Security patch installed, Restart required -> yeah, I`m on windows right now... see you in few minutes :-!
[10:16] <kalel> daskreech: in windows without problems, but i want use dada.it in ubuntu
[10:17] <yao_ziyuan> Daskreech: solved
[10:17] <Elone> i don't need to do any thing for upgrading to release 9.04 if i am in beta right? just normal update in systray will do right?
[10:17] <Daskreech> kalel: Yes and how would it work in Windows ? How do you listen to it ?
[10:17] <kalel> clau30: last.fm don't have my music prefered
[10:17] <Daskreech> Elone: Right
[10:18] <kalel> daskreech: i click on ascolta
[10:18] <kalel> on play button
[10:19] <kalel> can i paste link?
[10:20] <Daskreech> I am looking at it
[10:20] <Daskreech> It asks for a login ?
[10:21] <kalel> no, you can listen music without login
[10:21] <raylu> speaking of which, how does one disable the startup/shutdown music?
[10:21] <kalel> :'(
[10:21] <Daskreech> Hmm ok Ah Salva come mood needs a login
[10:22] <Daskreech> Hmm
[10:23] <kalel> daskreech: listen music click on play button
[10:24] <Daskreech> kalel: I see it. would you be willing to e-mail someone about it ?
[10:25] <kalel> daskreech: you can listen music without insert email
[10:26] <jo> bonjour, je suis nouveau utilisateur de kubuntu. j'ai une souris bluetooh et je ne trouve pas comment l'installer
[10:26] <kalel> i don't know well english:(
[10:26] <Daskreech> kalel: I can see that :) I am asking if I give you a contact if you would be willing to e-mail them? They are italian
[10:27] <clau30> jo -> #kubuntu-fr
[10:27] <Daskreech> jo -> gone
[10:28] <clau30> ah
[10:28] <kalel> i give you  my email?
[10:29] <kalel> daskreech: do you explain sample?
[10:29] <Daskreech> No I just sent you the information
[10:32] <sophie_> hello
[10:32] <Daskreech> !hi
[10:33] <clau30> jo is having problems :)
[10:33] <Daskreech> Good observation
[10:33] <sophie_> with the upgrade to Jaunty I have lost the flash-nonfree usage. But it is all installed... so I have remove purge it and reinstall. But the problem is still here
[10:33] <sophie_> * always
[10:34] <yrl__> sophie_: do you have 64bit kubuntu by accident?
[10:35] <clau30> by accident? :D
[10:35] <yrl__> ok "by any chance" :)
[10:35] <sophie_> yrl__: no, I have a 32 bits system and make only a upgrade
[10:35] <clau30> grammar police helped the citizens again :)
[10:35] <altrortla> hello ... i need help .... I don't know what's appened but myphpadmin doesn't start no more from login page... (now it say "site under construction")... i have also checked in apache2 if there was still the link to phpmyadmin ... It stay. So I have done reistallation of LAMP "sudo apt-get install --reinstall apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-gd phpmyadmin" like guidelines for kubuntu... also i set ServerName
[10:35] <altrortla> localhost to broswe my page in local.... (that's all) but i don't know why phpmyadmin start wiht that page
[10:35] <altrortla> amy tips?
[10:35] <altrortla> any
[10:36] <Daskreech>  SlimeyPete left the room :-) That's the ending to a great story
[10:36] <drbobb> heck, i'm really trying to give dolphin a chance.. but it's not making me very happy
[10:36] <Daskreech> drbobb: don't use it then?
[10:36] <yrl__> sophie_: try running this command and see what it displays: readlink /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[10:36] <drbobb> Daskreech: well that was my policy until now
[10:37] <drbobb> but I thought ppl really had reasons to praise it like some do
[10:37] <Daskreech> drbobb: They do. You don't it's pretty much that simple
[10:37] <sophie_> yrl__: no response for readlink /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[10:38] <drbobb> Is it a known bug that you can't change the font in Quassel's chat window?
[10:38] <yrl__> sophie_: try removing flashplugin-nonfree package and reinstalling it
[10:39] <clau30> yrl__: she tried it and didn't help (see above)
[10:39] <sophie_> yrl__: yes I have tried yet
[10:39] <Daskreech> drbobb: If it is please file it. Quassel is a very new application so they are just getting somethings sorted out but they are pretty responsive to feedback
[10:39] <yrl__> oh sorry havnt noticed that
[10:40] <sophie_> it's amazing
[10:40] <yrl__> sophie_: do you have the file libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer ?
[10:40] <yrl__> yea quasses is great but i wonder what it needs 70mb of memory after the start for...
[10:41] <faileas> lol
[10:41] <yrl__> right now quassel is using 180mb on my system...
[10:41] <clau30> konversation ftw
[10:41] <yrl__> i guess there is a memory leak somewhere
[10:41] <clau30> quassel needs 50mb to install..
[10:41] <sophie_> yrl__: no file in this directory
[10:42] <yrl__> sophie_: then your reinstallation has gone bad
[10:43] <yrl__> maybe the flash plugin wasnt downloaded from the adobe site
[10:43] <sophie_> yrl__: what can I do then ?
[10:43] <yrl__> i would try to reinstall again and observe apt-get output... you should see that the installation process downloads the plash plugin
[10:44] <yrl__> you should verify that the plugin is being downloaded
[10:44] <drbobb> hrrm yeah, quassel's RSS is over 70M on my system
[10:45] <yrl__> drbobb: just wait and it will start to consume more
[10:45] <drbobb> that's already more than either plasma or konqueror
[10:46] <clau30> sophie_: I rather think that firefox doesn't find the plugin
[10:46] <Daskreech> Konqueror?
[10:46] <yrl__> i have it running for 3 days now and unless you guys managed to produce 100mb of text here on this channel i think it has some kind of memory leak :)
[10:46] <clau30> sophie_: try locate *flash*.so and see if something is found
[10:48] <sophie_> yrl__: clau30 houra, sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer --purge && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer        worked!
[10:48] <clau30> sophie_: great :)
[10:48] <buzzDrive> Hi all, I noticed that I have no swap and I have a partition which uses the entire disk, I have another disk, what is the best way to create a new swap?
[10:48] <drbobb> yeah konqueror with 3 open tabs is barely 61M of RSS
[10:48] <sophie_> thx a lot, have a nice day all
[10:48] <Daskreech> buzzDrive: make a parittion and format it as swap ?
[10:49] <yrl__> sophie_: now you should wait for me and clau30 to send you the invoice for our services :)
[10:49] <drbobb> why quassel is over 70M
[10:49] <clau30> lol
[10:49] <sophie_> ^^
[10:49] <drbobb> s/why/while/
[10:49] <clau30> sophie_: thanks for calling support. do you want to pay by credit card or check?
[10:49] <buzzDrive> Daskreech: ok but I have to change the partition size
[10:49] <yrl__> drbobb: yea that bothers me too... comparing to other irc clients it doesnt have that many features and still consumes heaps of memory
[10:50] <buzzDrive> Does it exist a tool like gparted on KDE?
[10:50] <drbobb> konversation was nicer but it seems it hasn't been ported
[10:50] <Daskreech> qtparted but no one has touched it since 2002
[10:50] <drbobb> (yet another instance of Worse Is Better)
[10:50] <Daskreech> It's being ported now
[10:50] <yrl__> i have quasses, opera firefox and thunderbird running.... after firing up eclipse and tomcat my 4 gigs of ram go byebye :)
[10:51] <Daskreech> Eclipse and firefx alone would probably kill 4GB of RAM
[10:51] <drbobb> yrl__: heh eclipse is not known for being slim
[10:51] <Daskreech> !kde3
[10:51] <yrl__> nope... eclipse takes up 800mb and tomcat takes 400. as for firefox i only use firebug plugin so i always have only one tab open... 200mb max
[10:52] <Daskreech> drbobb: How much did Konnqueror use with 3 tabs open?
[10:52] <yrl__> i found that disabling desktop effects helps to conserver memory for kde4 a bit
[10:53] <drbobb> Daskreech: Virt is 234M, RSS is 61M
[10:53] <sophie_> [11:49] <clau30> sophie_: thanks for calling support. do you want to pay by credit card or check? <---------- I should prepar the dinner, how many for smelling? ^^
[10:53] <drbobb> yrl__: I can't enable effects no matter whether I'd like to or not
[10:53] <Daskreech> yrl__: Yeah Compositing is likely to eat up some nice memory
[10:54] <clau30> sophie_: mmm, dinner sounds great! yrl__, what do you think? ;)
[10:54] <sophie_> yrl__: don' feed the troll :p
[10:55] <yrl__> sophie_: i'll have a lobster if you dont mind 8)
[10:57] <raylu> drbobb: but quassel supports a client/server model
[10:58] <raylu> drbobb: you can run a quasseld on a headless server and run a quassel client that attaches/detatches from it without having to reconnect
[10:58] <raylu> drbobb: which is what i was doing until i realized quassel's keyboard config sucked.
[10:58] <raylu> also, see xcompmgr
[10:59] <drbobb> raylu: well what if I have no need or desire to do that
[10:59] <yrl__> ryalu: really? that would be a very usefull feature... where i can read up on that?
[10:59] <raylu> drbobb: then yeah. konversation is much more feature-filled :D
[10:59] <raylu> yrl__: quassel-irc.org
[10:59] <raylu> but seriously, the client is unusable =\
[10:59] <drbobb> do I still need to suffer the overhead, or should I just use a different client
[10:59] <raylu> i've spent a long time trying to defeat my mouse. along comes quassel with no keyboard shortcuts
[11:00] <faileas> raylu: you can do the same thing with a bouncer
[11:00] <clau30> continue using konversation (like me ;) )
[11:00] <yrl__> raylu: so you cannot use quassel to connect to the server? there is some other client?
[11:00] <raylu> faileas: indeed. or just irssi running in screen, which is what i defaulted back to
[11:00] <drbobb> If you really care to have a persistent connection to IRC, I guess nothing beats a text-mode client + screen
[11:00] <Daskreech> *cough* irssi *cough*
[11:01] <raylu> yrl__: you use quassel to connect to quasseld, which connects to the ircd
[11:01] <Daskreech> drbobb: Quassel comes very close
[11:01] <yrl__> raylu: what makes it unusable then?
[11:01] <raylu> yrl__: the keyboard config sucks
[11:01] <raylu> yrl__: there are like < 10 key shorcuts you can set
[11:02] <raylu> yrl__: in particular, switching windows requires ctrl+#, alt+#. this isn't even documented anywhere in the program
[11:02] <faileas> yrl__: it also dosen't handle queries/PMs well
[11:02] <raylu> yrl__: and you can't rebind that to something more sane
[11:02] <yrl__> too bad :(
[11:02] <drbobb> Konversation would pull in all the kde3/qt3 libs
[11:02] <raylu> and finally, no /lastlog, something i got really attached to in irssi
[11:02] <yrl__> still a nice feature though
[11:02] <drbobb> that would defeat the aim of reducing RAM usage I think
[11:02] <raylu> yeah. it has the right idea, but no features. deluge/deluged is a torrent client with the same model
[11:02] <raylu> and it has all the features i want :D
[11:03] <raylu> it defeated rTorrent for me
[11:03] <drbobb> ktorrent is not too bad
[11:03] <drbobb> it works for me
[11:03] <yrl__> i prefer vuze
[11:03] <raylu> i'd probably use it too if i were torrenting directly on this machine
[11:03] <raylu> but i still can't get rid of the login/logout sounds!
[11:04] <drbobb> except when a torrent has 0-2 seeds, but that isn't ktorrent's fault
[11:04] <raylu> so... how do i get rid of the login/logout sounds?
[11:05] <yrl__> in kde4?
[11:05] <raylu> yes
[11:05] <yrl__> in system setting / notifications
[11:05] <drbobb> can't you switch them off?
[11:05] <drbobb> uh as yrl__ said
[11:05] <peet> hi, i just installed kubuntu 9.04 and i notice that my hard drive keeps turning off
[11:05] <raylu> yrl__: oh my god. i missed kde system notifications
[11:05] <peet> how do i disable it?
[11:06] <raylu> peet: on battery power?
[11:06] <peet> no, i'm on power
[11:06] <peet> and i don't see a similar option in powerdevil
[11:06] <raylu> yrl__: thanks!
[11:07] <yrl__> kde4 also needs something line "soud profiles". disabling all sounds separately by hand is rather time consuming
[11:07] <buzzDrive> How do I resize a partition?
[11:07] <HazaL> Morning folks. I think i have some graphical glitches even though my propritary drivers are functioning
[11:07] <HazaL> Maybe a screenshow would better explain?
[11:08] <raylu> buzzDrive: qparted
[11:09] <buzzDrive> raylu: thanks!
[11:09] <raylu> wait, what the...
[11:09] <raylu> qparted/qtparted no longer exist in the repos...
[11:09] <HazaL> It looks like some of my java applications (ones that use the SWT for example) are not being render correctly
[11:09] <raylu> there's only gparted left...
[11:09] <HazaL> And make them useless :(
[11:10] <peet> how to disable automatic switching off of the hard drive?
[11:11] <buzzDrive> yes raylu so what do i do?
[11:11] <RurouniJones> Anyone tried Kubuntu 9.04 with Japanese language installed and anthy running?
[11:11] <RurouniJones> (Skim rather)
[11:11] <anAnnnaa> booring
[11:11] <buzzDrive> raylu: there is a tool called partitionmanager
[11:11] <anAnnnaa> :(
[11:11] <drbobb> hmm my dvd drive still reads factory-made discs, but fails on all home-burnt cdr's
[11:12] <raylu> buzzDrive: interesting
[11:14]  * Daskreech paints anAnnnaa in bright colours and silver
[11:14] <Tommika> hy
[11:15] <clau30> !hi | Tommika
[11:15] <Tommika> valaki magyarul?
[11:15] <clau30> if anyone can help figuring my problem with keyboard layout gets a free beer
[11:15] <Daskreech> Tagalog?
[11:15] <Daskreech> !ph
[11:15] <clau30> (free as in.. freedom) :D
[11:15] <x3cion> Whats the problem?
[11:16] <bazhang> !hu
[11:16] <Daskreech> Ag
[11:16] <Tommika> thx
[11:16] <clau30> well I have a german keyboard, but the modifier key altgr only works sometimes (don't know when)
[11:17] <x3cion> in console?
[11:17] <clau30> anywhere
[11:17] <clau30> (layouts are disabled in sys settings because it doesn't help either)
[11:17] <clau30> and the "win" keys doesn't work at all
[11:18] <x3cion> congrats, your keyboard is broken :D
[11:18] <clau30> my settings are broken
[11:20] <x3cion> Even on such a console like strg+alt+f1?
[11:20] <x3cion> Whatever they're named... o.o
[11:20] <clau30> no no, strg and alt are working
[11:20] <clau30> but win, altgr don't
[11:20] <x3cion> yeah
[11:21] <x3cion> I just meant the console which you get if you hit "ctrl+alt+f1"
[11:21] <x3cion> in there
[11:21] <clau30> oh
[11:21] <clau30> nope, there neither
[11:22] <peet> try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:22] <x3cion> The xserver doesnt control the main consoles
[11:22] <x3cion> ctrl+alt+{f1-f6}
[11:22] <x3cion> afaik
[11:23] <raylu> xev may help...
[11:23] <raylu> and yes, xserver has nothing to do with the ttys
[11:23] <raylu> but the fact that they don't work there could just be because the keys aren't being read properly. it's possible that X can still interpret them
[11:23] <clau30> I used to do dpkg-reconfigure console-setup for ttys
[11:24] <Maximo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[11:24] <clau30> Maximo: hm?
[11:24] <Maximo> sorry
[11:25] <clau30> -100 points for you :P
[11:29] <clau30> so I guess noone wanst a free beer :D
[11:29] <x3cion> clau30, cat /var/log/kern.log | grep keyboard
[11:30] <x3cion> uuuh, nvm
[11:30] <clau30> no errors
[11:31] <x3cion> What does your Xorg.0.log say?
[11:33] <drbobb> x3cion: grep keyboard /var/log/kern.log ;-0
[11:34] <clau30> e.g. (**) AT Raw Set 2 keyboard: xkb_options: "lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin"
[11:34] <clau30> so it _should_ be right
[11:35] <x3cion> Whats compose:lwin?
[11:36] <clau30> l win key is for compose
[11:36] <clau30> and the other: right alt (altgr) is for level 3 selection
[11:36] <clau30> I mean "left win key"
[11:40] <Arjayus> Does 9.04 default to ext3? I thought it was using ext4 now
[11:41] <Arjayus> Or does that fact that I am installing as an encrypted LVM mean only ext3
[11:41] <clau30> Arjayus: 9.04 is still with default ext3
[11:42] <Arjayus> Righto, thanks
[11:46] <eth-os> thumbs up for 9.04, good stuff :)
[11:46] <clau30> agree! love it
[11:47] <x3cion> I love it too
[11:47] <x3cion> especially my fupped up lcd resolution on startup
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> i preffered gutsy personally but thats me
[11:48] <clau30> a BIIIG thanks to the kubuntu team!
[11:48] <clau30> why? it's only getting better :)
[11:48] <eth-os> I'm installing from the live cd and it was no where near right for my res, but nothing a real install won't fix
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> clau30: i had to do zero work, jaunty doesnt seem to like crt monitors so my codelies werent detected
[11:49] <eth-os> gutsy got my res right, even on the live cd
[11:50] <x3cion> Ever heard of a resolution of 1280x854?
[11:50] <clau30> yeah, there always are small isssues like that but still..
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> yeah, to get jaunty I had to do a clean install of intrepid, sort my video out, then upgrade to jaunty
[11:51] <eth-os> I'm on a machine with a 8200 nvidia so it's probably the drivers fault
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> nvidia ftw
[11:51] <yaa_> why i cannot make apt-get dist-upgrade&
[11:51] <yaa_> ?
[11:51] <x3cion> still better then ati
[11:52] <x3cion> yaa_, because you'll have to accept stuff
[11:52] <yaa_> ?
[11:52] <yaa_> what?
[11:52] <yaa_> what is it
[11:52] <x3cion> try apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[11:52] <x3cion> apt-get dist-upgrade -y &
[11:53] <x3cion> i dunno what it could say
[11:53] <x3cion> but thats probably dangerous
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: that will need sudo
[11:53] <x3cion> yeah, of course
[11:53] <yaa_> ше вщуы тще вщ фтнерштп
[11:54] <yaa_> does not do anything maybe i need to add a new repo&
[11:54] <x3cion> Whats the deal with the "&"?
[11:54] <yaa_> im doing sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: then add it to your commands if its needed or you'll get new users saying they got an error when they ran the command
[11:54] <yaa_> & means ?
[11:54] <yaa_> ))
[11:54] <clau30> yaa
[11:54] <yaa_> what
[11:54] <clau30> yaa_: there is another way
[11:54] <clau30> better way
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:54] <yaa_> which way
[11:54] <clau30> !upgrade
[11:54] <yaa_> i did all
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: are you trying to update your system, or jump to jaunty?
[11:55] <x3cion> and... nothing happens?
[11:55] <yaa_> i m on 8 10
[11:55] <clau30> yaa_: I did it with update-notifier-kde -u
[11:55] <clau30> works like a charm :)
[11:55] <clau30> yaa_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> this is why i prefer arch linux or gentoo
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> you dont have ll this release name stuff, you just upgrade forever, less hassle
[11:57] <x3cion> Is there a way to lock a cd drive in linux?
[11:57] <clau30> this is why I like to have the choice ;)
[11:57] <yaa_> thanx all
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: define "lock"
[11:57] <x3cion> so it doesnt open anymore
[11:58] <clau30> when you mount it, you can't open it
[11:58] <theuser1> what is the button meta+ctrl+f12        . what is meta button?
[11:58] <clau30> (mount it "by hand" I mean)
[11:58] <x3cion> even if its empty?
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: do you mean physically open?
[11:58] <x3cion> yes
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: ok, please be specific in future
[11:58] <clau30> theuser1: meta is usually the windows-key (if I remember correctly)
[11:59] <yaa_> could it be done through command line?
[11:59] <yaa_> i mean upgrade to jaunty
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: this may help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-637590.html
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: i'd play with the command suggested
[11:59] <eth-os> I'm installing to a 4gb usbstick, does this sound sane after booting into it... disable ext3 journal so it becomes ext2,  mount /tmp /var/run and /var/log as tmpfs ... hmm, anything else ?
[12:00] <clau30> yaa_: don't know if dist-upgrade would work..
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: sure: kdesudo update-notifier-kde -u
[12:00] <theuser1> ok
[12:00] <yaa_> and what about ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: if you are bootup to the usb you will not be ale to de-journal it
[12:01] <jtmoney> i'm on intrepid, if i run apt-get dist-upgrade, will that bring me up to jaunty?
[12:01] <clau30> bye all
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> jtmoney: no, sudo apt-get install update-notifier-kde; kdesudo update-notifier-kde -u
[12:01] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: of course, I'll do that before rebooting, and alter the fstab
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> !usb | eth-os
[12:01] <jtmoney> thanks
[12:01] <theuser1> in kde i just moved my moust and i saw all the windows in one screen. its not alt+tab. but all windows were on one screen . i just clicked one and it was maximised. . how can i do that again. ?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: removing the journal will make the usb e written to less
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: you could also put swap on a different usb to save wear too (or just dont use one if you have sufficient ram for your needs)
[12:02] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: thanks but that assumes installing a livecd image to usb, I want to install it as a live running system, so I can update it normally
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: i think the cd has a usb installer now
[12:04] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: I'll probably disable the default swap partition and use a file, then create another swap file after a few months and leave the old one in place so it writes to a new area, rinse later repeat
[12:05] <eth-os> lather*
[12:05] <eth-os>  /me googling for kubuntu usb tricks
[12:06] <qcontinueum> When doing an "apt-get update", it encounters an error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkipi0_0.1.6-2ubuntu3_i386.deb           what should i do?
[12:07] <eth-os> qcontinueum: rm it, apt-get update again and repeat
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get update
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: do you log in as root or someting?
[12:08] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: will try, thanks
[12:08] <Arjayus> Hmmm, my 9.04 install seems to be freezing in the "Configuring Apt" stage. It has frozen twice at 43% "Scanning the Mirror". any ideas?
[12:08] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: no but I often su -
[12:08] <kadoban> i seem to be having a problem getting flash to work after jaunty upgrade.  i was using flashplugin-nonfree without problem in intrepid.  i get no errors on the console from firefox, and i've tried reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree.  flash just doesn't seem to exist on any websites i try, and it's not in the firefox plugins list.  any ideas?
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: i wouldnt. sudo -i is recommended
[12:09] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: I thought they both did exactly the same thing?
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: no
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: su -   sets all evironment variables as root, also ANY files root touches it will take ownership of
[12:10] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: err, but that is what I want when I su -
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: sudo -i will use your users variables and you will also not harm permissions but you will have an elevated priveledge
[12:11] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: when I become root I want to be 100% root, but thanks for the tip
[12:11] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: after I run through those three commands, should i reboot if there aren't any errors?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: why, whats the difference to you as a user if you are true root or an elevated user?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: you're in linux, you only need to reboot if you install a new kernel
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:12] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: absolutely no restrictions, I am used to managing my system as root, anything else is weird
[12:13] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: about a second or two into the -f install, the system reboot icon showed up in the system tray
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: enablinig root account reduces security
[12:13] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: i can do that, but commands are currently going through
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: ok let them do what they gotta then pastebin the output
[12:14] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: I'd argue that a default sudo setup is less secure with any user being able to sudo with their own password, I'd rather have a specific root password
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: no, any user CAN'T sudo. it must be a member of te admin group
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: if its not in that group, it can't use sudo
[12:16] <spoony78> eth-os i believe only the first user can sudo..
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: you an add users to the admin group and they can use sudo
[12:17] <spoony78> eth-os: any users you create after the first initial user don't automatically get places in sudoers
[12:17] <domker> Hi, today i installed kubuntu 9.04 and i have problem with resolution =.= Does anyone help me?
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: if you use adduser, the default is them NOT a member of admin
[12:17] <spoony78> action: Yes I know. I was reassuring him that by default only the first user goes in sudoers
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> domker: can you give the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[12:18] <domker> oki moment
[12:18] <domker> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV630 PRO AGP [Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP]
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> !ati | domker
[12:19] <dapper-daniel> hej!
[12:19] <dapper-daniel> ich hab probleme mit dem NetworkManager unter 9.04
[12:19] <eth-os> I've made more mistakes being a frustrated non-rrot user than I ever have as root, but that is just me... usbstick installed, time to reboot, thanks for all the help guys
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !de | dapper-daniel
[12:19] <dapper-daniel> ups I'm sorry
[12:19] <WOFall> hey guys, i have a pc with XP and Ubuntu 8 installed.  How can i replace ubuntu with kubuntu, and still be able to boot to XP? The pc has no internet connection.
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !aptoncd | WOFall
[12:20] <dapper-daniel> I have problems with NetworkManager in 9.04
[12:20] <WOFall> thanks
[12:20] <dapper-daniel> since yesterday NetworkManager doesnt connect zu wirlesess networks
[12:20] <spoony78> eth-os: the advice of becoming root /  not becoming root etc isnt something ubuntu invented.. It's a standard administration practice in professional unix environments for years now.
[12:20] <yoritomo> hello all
[12:20] <dapper-daniel> when I check it with iwconfig nothing is changed
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: not in gentoo, but i always configure it the same as ubuntu manually
[12:21] <spoony78> eth-os: But at the end of the day.. its all about choice.. and if its your own system you can do whatever you want however you want :) thats the cool thing about linux
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> the wrong essid is set etc
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> dapper-daniel: can you run: sudo iwlist scan
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> i can see the networks
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> dapper-daniel: thats cool
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> i tried knetworkmanager and a plasoid
[12:21] <spoony78> actionparsnip: err afaik we were only talking about kubuntu/ubuntu.. You could drop in *any distro name* and they'll do things differently.
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> but allways the same
[12:22] <peace_> dapper-daniel: wifi ? card?
[12:22] <dapper-daniel> i see the networks but when i say connect just nothings seems to happen
[12:22] <dapper-daniel> iwlang
[12:22] <peace_> dapper-daniel: have you an atheros?
[12:22] <dapper-daniel> the module is iwlang
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> think its an intel
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: you said its used as a standard admin practice in profesional unix environments..Gentoo is highly professional but doesnt employ sudo by default
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> i'm not sure
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> my laptop is new
[12:23] <peace_> dapper-daniel: cripted wif?
[12:23] <spoony78> action:  ah  yeah.. But you wont find gentoo in many enterprise environments
[12:23] <yoritomo> i just installed the final version 9.04 of kubuntu , how to install the "nouveau project"'s nvidia driver ?
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> what is a cripted wif?
[12:24] <peace_> wpa? wep?
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> wpa
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: we use it on our file servers, due to robustness
[12:24] <MarcoPau> hello, my kubuntu jackalope fails loading mysqld. it'll idle a few seconds on the loading of the daemon, then gives fail output
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> but i have other networks configured
[12:24] <spoony78> actionparsnip: solaris, RHEL, debian. (and by definition centos)..  etc
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> one without wep/wpa
[12:24] <peace_> dapper-daniel: i know there is some issue with wpa in 9.04
[12:24] <faileas> dapper-daniel: you can find out your wifi card with wifi config
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> and I think network manager should try to connect
[12:24] <faileas> peace_: wpa3
[12:24] <faileas> we
[12:24] <peace_> dapper-daniel: try without wpa
[12:24] <faileas> wpa2
[12:25] <dapper-daniel> ok
[12:25] <dapper-daniel> I think i will be back later
[12:25] <dapper-daniel> have to go now
[12:25] <peace_> ok
[12:25] <peace_> faileas: only wpa3?
[12:25] <faileas> er
[12:25] <peace_> faileas: i got a lots of isse with ath5k
[12:25] <faileas> wpa2
[12:25] <faileas> normal wpa works
[12:25] <spoony78> action: you'll find lots of variation.. but most enterprise environments use hardware that list specific distro's as supported.. Won't find much sun, HP or IBM servers listing "gentoo" as a tested platform.. so it generally wont get a look in for larger installations or corporate environments
[12:26] <peace_> faileas: i had yo install madwifi .... :) now it's wroking very fast and good
[12:26] <spoony78> action: I'm sure it gets used heaps in custom or smaller environments. for sure. Or large "very specifically tuned" environments.
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: we're quite large, we have some high notoriety customers
[12:26] <yoritomo> just need to install all the "nouveau packages " and that's done ?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: but the shoes fits so we use it
[12:26] <spoony78> actionparsnip: Okay.. you win. not really in the mood for an argument.
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: i get your point. i'm not out to win. I'm just saying it can be used and it is professional
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: thats all im saying
[12:28] <spoony78> action: I agree completely.. I think gentoo is just as good if not better than lots of those distro's.. but it takes a lot more expertise and skills to set it up "properly".. and those skills aren't as common as people that are used to dropping in rhel/debian etc boxen.
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: true
[12:28] <spoony78> not as much hand holding in gentoo.
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: #gentoo ;)
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: gentoo handbook is a big hand to hold
[12:29] <WOFall> guys, if i want a fresh install, can i just use the kubuntu live cd and overwrite ubuntus partition? (and still boot xp)
[12:29] <WOFall> as long as i don't mess up the install :P
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: you can delete the ubuntu partitions, then install Kubuntu to the newly freed space, this will destroy ALL data on them so backup anything you need
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: you could also add the CD as a repository instead then install kubuntu-desktop from that
[12:30] <WOFall> it's ubuntu 8...
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: which is greatly less destructive but you will have both ubuntu and kubuntu libs on there
[12:30] <spoony78> action: Yeah.. I know :) But suits get nervous with things they havent many people that have heaps of experience with :)
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: depends on howmay folks are in your team ;)
[12:31] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip, i just reinstalled the complete version of 9.04 and installed the Nouveau packages for Nvidia, but don't really find anything about it on the ubuntu doc
[12:31] <WOFall> if i delete the ubuntu partition i'll be deleting grub... :/
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: you will need to run: kdesudo nvidia-settings
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: you will delete grubs settings but the grub will reinstall as part of the linux install and then will add the XP as a dual boot
[12:32] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip nvidia-settings is for the proprietary driver right ?
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: its for ALL nvidia
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: afaik
[12:32] <yaa_> 1230 mb !!OMG
[12:32] <WOFall> ok, thank you ActionParsnip, i might try that.
[12:33] <domker> @ActionParsnip : THX! Problem with resolution resolved :) :) :) //i just add resolution in display subsection (xorg.conf)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: what for?
[12:33] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnips: those commands are done finally... here's the output you asked for: http://pastebin.com/m3d5d1fa4
[12:33] <yaa_> for upgrade
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> domker: awesome :D
[12:33] <yaa_> with my 128 kbit..ohhh
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: well you obviously have a lot of installed apps
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: yikes
[12:33] <yaa_> yes
[12:34] <yaa_> ((
[12:34] <yaa_> %(
[12:34] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip not working sorry
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: well each and every one will need upgrading to jaunty
[12:34] <yaa_> ive got both gnome and kde and xfce and a lot of stuff
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: thats why then
[12:34] <yaa_> yes i will do it at night
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: you are upgrading 3 DEs worth of junk
[12:34] <yaa_> just for fun)
[12:35] <domker> why Neptomuk Semantic Desktop is default disabled?
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: ok what is the outpput of   lspci | grep -i vga
[12:35] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i got lxde working adequetely BTW
[12:35] <faileas> i just swapped my network card
[12:35] <spoony78> action: in our environment the windows guys get more team members.. they have more problems :)
[12:35] <yoritomo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> faileas: nice aint it
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[12:36] <faileas> ActionParsnip: 60 mb ram with nothing running ;)
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> faileas: cashback!!
[12:36] <faileas> ActionParsnip: hmm?
[12:36] <faileas> er. 41 ;p
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> faileas: still pretty sweet
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> faileas: could use flwm if you want the floor
[12:37] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: those commands are done finally... here's the output you asked for: http://pastebin.com/m3d5d1fa4
[12:37] <faileas> ActionParsnip: maybe bit i think this is usable enough for my needs
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libkipi0_0.1.6-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:38] <bvanhoorn> Moin Moin from Germany!
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: then run: sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: the deb has a conflicting file and is moaning so we just told it to write it anyway, the second command will then install all the other stuff
[12:40] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: ah, good to know. 437MB to download still, wow.
[12:41] <bvanhoorn> Good Luck! :)
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: use force in ubuntu with care
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: if you screw up your packages you will never be able to install or uninstall anything. Its the inherent weakness in package based distros
[12:41] <ameinzer> hallo boris
[12:41] <bvanhoorn> Hallo Artur!
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: you damage something key and it all comes tumbling down
[12:41] <aCid420> just installed kubuntu (jaunty) -> wicked sick !! i love it
[12:41] <qcontinueum> ah
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: ask you have now just seen
[12:48] <yoritomo> heu i have a stupid question, CTRL-ALT-Backspce not working anymore under jaunty ?
[12:48] <bazhang> !dontzap
[12:49] <yoritomo> wow, that is new ?
[12:49] <yoritomo> :o
[12:49] <yoritomo> thanks
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: its disabled as some people were losing data after accidentally pressing it
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> apparently
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> had this out with an op in #ubuntu
[12:50] <yoritomo> ho really? i never experienced such problems
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> i think its ridiculous that its disabled
[12:51] <yoritomo> good to know
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> but  its cool it can be re-enabled
[12:51] <yoritomo> yes i think too
[12:51] <Siegfried_> Why is DSL option disabled in connections manager?How can I eneble it?
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> !pppoe
[12:52] <Siegfried_> I have configured pppoe through terminal
[12:52] <Siegfried_> before
[12:53] <Siegfried_> I have installed new kubuntu,and I see DSL tab grey...
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> thats all i know on adsl + ubuntu
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Siegfried_: have you tried running network manager with kdesudo?
[12:54] <Siegfried_> ActionParsnip : you mean kdesudo pppoeconf?
[12:54] <Siegfried_> ActionParsnip : or something else?
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Siegfried_: kdesudo <whatever launches network manager>
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Siegfried_: try both
[12:55] <Siegfried_> ActionParsnip : Ok...I'll try...I have configured it before with sudo pppoeconf
[12:55] <yoritomo> after disabling dontzap still same, needs a reoot ?
[12:55] <Siegfried_> !restricted
[13:01] <MarcoPau> hello, my kubuntu jackalope fails loading mysqld. it'll idle a few seconds on the loading of the daemon, then gives fail output
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> MarcoPau: read   dmesg | less
[13:05] <MarcoPau> ActionParsnip: no errors in there, just a few lines like type=1505 audit(1240561918.985:18): operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi" name2="default" pid=5736
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> MarcoPau: hmm, does sql create logs any place
[13:06] <MarcoPau> ActionParsnip: that's what I first checked, but under /var/log all mysql files are empty
[13:06] <faileas> y
[13:09] <ForeverSmurf> I can't get the flash firefox plugin to work, I have re-installed both firefox and flashplugin-nonfree but still no joy
[13:09] <ForeverSmurf> any ideas?
[13:09] <ForeverSmurf> oh, this is after updating to 9.04
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> ForeverSmurf: 32bit ubuntu or 64bit?
[13:10] <x3cion> DId you install flashplugin-installer ?
[13:11] <ForeverSmurf> 32bit
[13:11] <floown> hello
[13:11] <ForeverSmurf> no, I do not have flashplugin-installer
[13:11] <ForeverSmurf> I can't even see that package un synaptic
[13:12] <x3cion> Its multiverse
[13:12] <ForeverSmurf> do I need it?
[13:12] <x3cion> well, its it
[13:12] <ForeverSmurf> oh, what is flashplugin-nonfree then?
[13:13] <x3cion> a transitional package since 9.04 i think
[13:13] <x3cion> thats what synaptic says
[13:13] <ForeverSmurf> sorry, I should have read that. Thank you x3cion
[13:17] <aldin> how can i change icons in firefox on kde4 qtcurve theme, when i choose clearlooks i can edit .gtkrc... file and add line icon-thmeme, but in this qtcurve or qt4 it wont?
[13:17] <ForeverSmurf> I think there is something wrong with my repositories
[13:17] <ForeverSmurf> I still can't see flashplugin-installer with synaptic even though apt-get from command line says it is installed
[13:17] <ForeverSmurf> I'm such a noob
[13:17] <peace_> aldin: sudo apt-get install gtk-qt-engine
[13:18] <peace_> aldin: then sysstem settings --->apparance-->gtk stuff
[13:18] <peace_> appareance
[13:18] <aldin> peace_: i have that, you didt get me, i want to change icon theme in firefox, firefox uses qtcurve theme
[13:19] <floown> I have a prob with nvidia driver on Jaunty. I can't activate the restricted driver in the driver panel. I have installed manually the last package driver but it don't appear in the panel
[13:19] <aldin> but i cant change qtcurve (gtk style) icons it uses crystal and i want tango
[13:20] <peace_> aldin: mm i don't know i think you have to install stuff gtk
[13:20] <peace_> aldin: i use qt curve and stop
[13:20] <peace_> it's pretty good in that way
[13:20] <peace_> or you can install gnome :)
[13:20] <ForeverSmurf> I remember reading about some new package manager under 9.04
[13:20] <aldin> peace_: i dont say its bad, just dont like ff home icon
[13:20] <ForeverSmurf> is that available?
[13:20] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: kpackagekit
[13:20] <ForeverSmurf> ty
[13:21] <peace_> yw
[13:21] <aldin> peace_: when i change to lets say Clearlooks in KDE control center, after that i can edit .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 and put gtk-icon-theme-name="Tango"
[13:21] <bvanhoorn> Ärsche!
[13:22] <aldin> peace_: and it works, but if i put qtcurve in kde gtk-qt module it wont aply, it seems like hardcoceded
[13:22] <peace_> aldin: i am sorry i am not a fan of gnome stuff
[13:22] <peace_> i use pure kde
[13:22] <peace_> i use konqueror and arora
[13:23] <ForeverSmurf> what is arora?
[13:23] <peace_> arora is a qt web browser with webkit engine
[13:23] <peace_> i use arora -style mac
[13:23] <peace_> :)
[13:24] <faileas> arora is nice ;)
[13:24] <faileas> hmm
[13:24] <ForeverSmurf> does konqueror and arora use same webkit?
[13:24] <x3cion> ForeverSmurf, you have to enable the multiverse repository
[13:24]  * faileas is getting a decent download speed off the mirror
[13:24] <x3cion> to get the non free plugins
[13:24] <x3cion> packages*
[13:24] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: arara handles bettere webkit
[13:24] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: for now
[13:24] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: for ex flash works perfectly
[13:24] <x3cion> Scrolling is really slow in my konqueror. The question is, why?
[13:25] <peace_> x3cion: here on a intel graphic card works fine
[13:25] <x3cion> peace_, Opera works fine, yes
[13:25] <x3cion> Konqueror doesnt
[13:25] <ForeverSmurf> I think I have multiverse enabled. I have ticked the box under software sources that says 'Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse)'
[13:25] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: you mean arora?
[13:26] <ForeverSmurf> x3cion, I think I have found a synaptic bug (or I don't know how to use it)
[13:26] <peace_> ati?
[13:26] <ForeverSmurf> the package flashplugin-installer appears under the new kpackagekit but not synaptic
[13:26] <x3cion> peace_, yes, radeon driver
[13:27] <ForeverSmurf> arora is nice ;-)
[13:27] <aldin> peace_: /usr/share/themes/QtCurve/gtk-2.0 i found that and i have files icons3  icons4
[13:27] <ForeverSmurf> simple
[13:27] <peace_> x3cion: That' is why
[13:27] <x3cion> no fix?
[13:27] <peace_> x3cion: i dunno  maybe change driver
[13:27] <peace_> x3cion: i have an intel it works perfectly
[13:27] <x3cion> peace_, to vesa? :D
[13:28] <peace_> x3cion: xD what i have to say buy a nvidia next time if youi wanna play if you have to use only in the office intel works good too and they are cheaper
[13:29] <rmrfslash_> x3cion: what's the problem w/ ATI (I have one)?
[13:29] <rmrfslash_> x3icon: maybe I can help
[13:29] <ForeverSmurf> I thought ati were a lot better drivers than the nvidia ones.
[13:29] <x3cion> rmrfslash, scrolling in konqueror is terribly slow
[13:29] <ForeverSmurf> I have nvidia but until 3months ago I could not run kde4 with nvidia
[13:30] <x3cion> rmrfslash, and my internal display (laptop) has a wrong resolution on startup
[13:30] <ForeverSmurf> and I only stoped having crashing in last month with their latest driver
[13:30] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: no the had opened their mind to open source but nvidia works better for now
[13:30] <x3cion> even though, xrandr shows the right resolution and even marks it as default
[13:30] <ForeverSmurf> peace, i see
[13:30] <rmrfslash_> x3cion: hrm. maybe try forcing it into xorg.conf?
[13:31] <x3cion> peace_, yeah, I thought about getting a nvidia card for my home pc to remove windows from it, but after updating to 9.04, my graphics card doesnt work anymore and i was too lazy to fix it yet
[13:31] <x3cion> rmrfslash, yeah, i would, but how? the modeline stuff looks kinda difficult to me
[13:32] <peace_> i am very happy with my intel d
[13:32] <rmrfslash_> ForeverSmurf: Yeah Nvidia restricted drivers are notoriously better than ATI. Nvidio "open source driver" is just reverse engineered junk. Novell has all the specs for ATI boards and they're in the process of making open source drivers,
[13:32] <peace_> for the office is very very nice
[13:32] <ForeverSmurf> to be honest the driver problem under linux is down to lack of standards and alot of new developement in Xorg. But the situation is getting better. Ie xrandr support is comming soon which means that linux will finally have comprehensive mutlimonitor support
[13:33] <rmrfslash_> I got dual-displays working once. It was amazing.
[13:34] <rmrfslash_> Always takes a lot of breakage before success though
[13:34] <peace_> :) i got my svideo on my intel
[13:34] <peace_> xD
[13:34] <peace_> fantastic
[13:34] <ForeverSmurf> I have been using dual-displays for years now. but I have used about 3 different techniques during that time
[13:34] <ForeverSmurf> now I use the nvidia native multi-monitor support (which is actually alot like how the new xrandr stuff works)
[13:34] <x3cion> since xrandr I have no problem with having 2 displays anymore
[13:35] <ForeverSmurf> does ati support xrandr already?
[13:35] <faileas> peace_: is it a fairly old box?
[13:35] <x3cion> well, radeon driver does
[13:35] <ForeverSmurf> nice
[13:35] <x3cion> i read once that you can turn it on in fglrx too
[13:35]  * peace_ had compiled kernel and xrandr doesn't work anymore :D
[13:35] <rmrfslash_> It's all about the open source drivers man. They're gunna swing the pendulum to ATI
[13:35] <peace_> faileas: it's a toshiba laptop 2 years of life
[13:36] <peace_> and it's pretty good on video editing
[13:36] <x3cion> I just hope that there'll be working drivers some day
[13:36] <rmrfslash_> Right now radeon and radeonhd are around 1995 in terms of supported features.
[13:36] <rmrfslash_> for some boards.
[13:36] <rmrfslash_> like mine.
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash_: depends what functionality you need
[13:38] <x3cion> I see alot of people using quassel
[13:40] <rmrfslash_> 3D acceleration would be good?
[13:41] <x3cion> rmrfslash, High target :D
[13:41] <rmrfslash_> I  know. That pesky 3D acceleration.
[13:41] <rmrfslash_> Right now I'm using XRender compositing
[13:41] <rmrfslash_> and MESA
[13:42] <x3cion> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[13:42] <angeltech> i have opengl
[13:43] <rmrfslash_> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project  :(
[13:43] <angeltech> ihave support
[13:43] <ForeverSmurf> hurray   fluffy bunny plasma theme is back!!!!!!
[13:44] <ForeverSmurf> they should be able to make a matching theme for kwin in kde 4.3 (ARGB decos)
[13:45] <faileas> lol
[13:45] <x3cion> Wanna see something weird?
[13:45] <x3cion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/157040/
[13:46] <x3cion> But it's starting up with 1280x854 for LVDS
[13:46] <rmrfslash_> I just read Mesa can render 3D using certain GPUs
[13:46] <rmrfslash_> (not mine of course)
[13:47] <x3cion> they just dont want to see you happy :P
[13:49] <gier> hullo
[13:50] <dhendu9411> has anyone upgraded to 9.04
[13:50] <gier> got a bit of a problem, dudes
[13:50] <x3cion> gier, your flash isnt working?
[13:50] <gier> heh ... no, that one's sorted
[13:51] <w-heat> dhendu9411: of course
[13:51] <gier> kmail on 9.04. crashes each time i try to open an email that requests a delivery notification
[13:51] <gier> had to open it up with alpine first, to have it marked as read
[13:51] <gier> then it's golden
[13:52] <gier> i think i'll go file a bug report
[13:52] <dhendu9411> w-heat: I am using 8.10 and wanted to know if there was anything I needed to do prior to updating.  I read that I must uninstall existing desktop widgets and that mysql will be installed.  Is this correct?
[13:52] <gier> behaviour not evident in opensuse11.1 with kde 4.2.2
[13:53] <w-heat> dhendu9411: mysql will be installed; I have upgraded on 2 machines. One went perfectly via upgrade the other did not and I had to reset the desktop and fix grub.
[13:53] <dhendu9411> w-heat: is there anyway to not install mysql?
[13:53] <w-heat> dhendu9411: the one that didn't go fine still booted, but into the wrong kernel, so it wasn't that the whole system was borked
[13:54] <w-heat> dhendu9411: not as far as I know... you can uninstall akondai (which is what uses it I think) after the upgrade
[13:54] <dhendu9411> w-heat: yeah i think that is what uses it.  What does akondai do?
[13:54] <w-heat> dhendu9411: I think it's the in-built search
[13:55] <w-heat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akonadi
[13:55] <dhendu9411> w-heat: ahhh.... yeah I can just continue to use 'find' or 'locate'
[13:55] <dhendu9411> w-heat: are there any specific updates that made you glad you switched to 9.04?
[13:56] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: kde 4.2
[13:56] <w-heat> dhendu9411: kde 4.2.2 is great, but I also wanted packages for MonoDevelop and Amarok that were only in Jaunty
[13:56] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: aside from bug fixes, anything else?
[13:57] <dhendu9411> w-heat: amarok 2.x?
[13:57] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: Ummmm.... ya know, to be 100% honest, they fixed things that were broke and broke things that were fixed. I think they fixed more than they broke though. It's work the upgrade IMO.
[13:58] <rmrfslash_> *worth
[13:58] <w-heat> dhendu9411: yeah amarok 2.2, there's also a new xine lib, but it's still broken for 24 bit FLAC, which upsets me :P
[13:58] <w-heat> errr, 2.0.1 maybe actually
[13:58] <jmalinens> Hi! I have fresh ubuntu 8.04 LTS + virtualmin. Why I can not access my main domain name mysite.org but www.mysite.org works? Thank You!
[13:58] <dhsmith> just trying this out --- first time irc
[13:58] <dhsmith> ignore me
[13:59] <dhendu9411> thanks guys for the info on 9.04 (w-heat and rmrfslash)
[13:59] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: personally I liked networkmanager applet better than this plasmoid thing
[14:00] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: do you know where I can see a pic?  what made the old one better?
[14:00] <w-heat> I think that networkmanager using the wallet is so irritating if you have a password set
[14:00] <ForeverSmurf> I like the new one ;-)
[14:00] <ForeverSmurf> neater
[14:00] <ForeverSmurf> same functionality
[14:00] <w-heat> for wireless passes
[14:00] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: worked better and supported stuff better (like broadband access)
[14:01] <buzzDrive> hi
[14:01] <eagles0513875> can anyone confirm this bug for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/366020
[14:01] <dhendu9411> w-heat: i also don't use the wallet.  i don't like it.
[14:02] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: do you get dropped connections?
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: it added that "map" thing which is kind of neat, but when I enable and disable my wireless adapter 4 or 5 times in a row I can actually crash the entire machine. Granted, who would ever do that... but hey
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: no, no dropped connections
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: Again, these are only my experiences. Not everyones. Some ppl are having a very positive experience.
[14:02] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: that sounds like an issue.  i agree that nobody should be doing that, but that also shouldn't happen.
[14:03] <dhendu9411> foreversmurf: have you had any issues with it?
[14:03] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: Agreed. Also, I didn't have to use kppp for broadband w/ knetworkmanager applet but now I do cuz the plasmoid just won't cooperate w/ me.
[14:04] <w-heat> I've had no issues other than having to set a blank wallet password so that it doesn't prompt me for wireless passwords
[14:04] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: not the end of the world, but one more app I need to deal w/ from old-skool kde.
[14:04] <dhendu9411> w-heat, rmrfslash: did you have to reconfigure the system after the upgrade?  When I went from 8.04 to 8.10, I had lost everything in my widgets (notepad for example).
[14:05] <dhendu9411> w-heat: did you also have to use the kppp for broadband?
[14:05] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: lot of the widgets and stuff just aren't compatible from release to release from what I understand. I'm not surprised that stuff gets lost. I don't use a lot of widgets/plasmoids though
[14:06] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: so far, I don't either.  Just the notepad thing and the analog clock.
[14:06] <dhendu9411> I am interested in hacking some widgets/plasmoids, but can't without 4.2.x of KDE.  I visit the api section, but it seems like they aren't releasing the api's yet.
[14:07] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: yeah, read above. I didn't have to use kppp w/ knetworkmanager applet. Never had to plug in any credentials or anything. But they moved to this plasmoid networkmanager which looks pretty, but from _my experience_ simply doesn't cooperate as well as knm did.
[14:08] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: ohhh mis-read sorry.
[14:08] <dhendu9411> well gang... looks like I'm off to install the 9.04.  wish me luck!
[14:08] <rmrfslash_> For example, everytime I want to connect to a network that I've configured once already (and for some reason the plasmoid isn't connecting automatically) I click on it and rather than looking in the configured networks table it makes a new entry.
[14:09] <rmrfslash_> Asks me for my WEP password and everything.
[14:09] <bouin> Hello, I am facing problem in using Kubuntu 9.04 with my ATI RADEON HD 2400 XT, when I enable xinerama, it seems like at the reboot everything freeze, thanks for your time
[14:09] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: that sucks.  on both machines that were upgraded it does that?
[14:10] <darkenergy> rmrfslash: does it support the creation of adhoc wireless networks?
[14:10] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: yeah
[14:10] <dhendu9411> actually bouin brings another question to mind.  does anyone use multiple monitors with 9.04?
[14:11] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: I say upgrade cuz KDE 4.2 is worth it alone IMO. KDE 4.1 was just one giant bug.
[14:11] <bouin> Yes i am using two monitors
[14:11] <eagles0513875> how can i run a back trace on a plasma widget
[14:11] <bouin> dhendu9411: Yes i am using two monitors
[14:12] <dhendu9411> bouin: do you resolutions stay set now with 9.04?  With 8.10, both monitors worked, but they always defaulted to the lowest resolution.  I had to manually change them everytime I booted.
[14:13] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: like right now, I just expanded my network manager applet and it's showing my network from home w/ a strong signal strength. I've been on a train for like 45 mins :)
[14:13] <rmrfslash_> oops I meant network amnager plasmoid
[14:13] <bouin> dhendu9411: I was on Kubuntu 8.04 just before, I cannot help for Kubuntu 8.10
[14:14] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: so that is probably a bug
[14:14] <rmrfslash_> It even says I'm connected to my home network and that I have an IP address :)
[14:14] <dhendu9411> bouin: I am asking if you have that problem with 9.04
[14:14] <bouin> dhendu9411: I am currently downloading the ATI drivers from their website I don't know if it could resolv something
[14:14] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: that interesting.  but your adapters don't reflect that right?
[14:14] <eagles0513875> rmrfslash: thats impossible to be honest. i do have a question does your network-manager plasmoid sigsev11 after logging in
[14:14] <bouin> dhendu9411: Yes i have the problem with 9.04
[14:15] <dhendu9411> bouin: do you have issues with both monitor resolutions?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> rmrfslash: i mean the kde4 daemon
[14:15] <rmrfslash_> ifconfig does not show that I have an IP address from my home network 50 miles away... no :)
[14:15] <darkenergy> rmrfslash_: how about iwconfig?
[14:15] <bouin> dhendu9411: yes just one of them work, and when i try to enable xinerama, when i restart X it freezes
[14:16] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: i would hope not :)  I just wanted to make sure the adapters were actually working even though the plasmoid isn't (so-to-speak)
[14:16] <eagles0513875> darkenergy: he would need to use ifconfig iwconfig shows just your connection speed the network one is connected to
[14:16] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: strangely it says I'm connected to my neighbors network
[14:17] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: which I was using last week because Cox was giving me trouble
[14:17] <dhendu9411> bouin: I can't help you with that issue.  I would say to do what you are already doing which is upgrade the driver.  I was just interested in knowing if the upgrade to 9.04 fixed the monitor resolution issue.
[14:17] <darkenergy> rmrfslash_: maybe your neighbor is on the train :)
[14:17] <doleyb> Can someone say why the jaunty upgrade removed guidance-power-manager?  And if there's a replacement that's better?
[14:17] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: I'm pretty sure that's not the case
[14:17] <dhendu9411> lol
[14:18] <eagles0513875> doleyb: there is a power manager plasmoid now did you upgrade from intrepid to jaunty or is this a clean install of jaunty
[14:18] <doleyb> eagles0513875: its an upgrade
[14:18] <bouin> dhendu9411: I will keep you update on my progress, because I could need you help if it does not work because I will probably retry 8.10 . . . I am currently at work and I just spend one day to solve my monitor problem LOL !!!
[14:18] <rmrfslash_> power management plasmoid works! No problems
[14:18] <rmrfslash_> :D
[14:19] <eagles0513875> doleyb: one thing i did notice back during beta the upgrade form intrepid to jaunty leaves alot of outdated stuff like the old network manager as well as adept which has been replaced with something else
[14:19] <dhendu9411> bouin: lol  I hope the driver update resolves the issue
[14:19] <rmrfslash_> Why doesn't GTK use better icons... serioulsy.
[14:19] <doleyb> eagles0513875: how can i find teh new power manager?  or even better, documentation for it?
[14:19] <rmrfslash_> GNOME that is
[14:19] <rmrfslash_> not gtk
[14:19] <bouin> dhendu9411: yes i Hope too, what card do you have ATI ?
[14:20] <eagles0513875> doleyb: do you have the plasmoids installed
[14:20] <eagles0513875> doleyb: if you do go look through the list of plasmoids and it should be there
[14:20] <dhendu9411> doleyb: If I recall properly, I read on the kubuntu site to uninstall any plasmoids prior to the upgrade to 9.04
[14:20] <MobiusCoffee> Quick question.  On Kubuntu, certain items will be bold in the taskbar.  Is there a way to stop this?
[14:20] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: I know what you mean.  Its like looking at windows 95!  lol
[14:20] <doleyb> eagles0513875, dhendu9411: in add widgets?  i don't see anything apropos.
[14:21] <MobiusCoffee> s/certain things/the active program/
[14:21] <dhendu9411> bouin: ummm I am using a dell 1525 laptop which uses and Intel
[14:22] <bouin> dhendu9411: oh ok so probably the problem is different ;-)
[14:22] <dhendu9411> bouin: I think so :)
[14:22] <canen> anyone finding kmail really slow after yesterday's updates? I was running the rc but didn't experience this problem
[14:23] <dhendu9411> doleyb: I don't have 9.04 so I can't help.  I have been asking questions prior to upgrading.
[14:25] <doleyb> rmrfslash: where can i find power managerment plasmoid?
[14:26] <rmrfslash_> doleyb: did you right click on the panel (or desktop) and go to "Add Widgets"
[14:26] <doleyb> rmrfslash: yes, then what?
[14:27] <rmrfslash_> should be in there
[14:27] <rmrfslash_> Scroll down to Battery Monitor
[14:27] <ederico> hello, I just upgraded from Kubuntu 8.10 to Kubuntu 9.04 and I have a problem, the network management applet doesn't appear and I cannot connect to my wi-fi, wired ethernet works fine but I need wi-fi, used to work before
[14:27] <Beazel> Eh up, I don't suppose anyone would be able to give me a bit information on setting up a mobile broadband connection?
[14:28] <rmrfslash_> beazel: you can try using the plasmoid or kppp
[14:28] <doleyb> rmrfslash: I don't want a battery monitor.
[14:28] <rmrfslash_> oh you want power management
[14:28] <rmrfslash_> go to system settings >advanced
[14:29] <Beazel> doleyb: I've been tootling around the plasmoid, filled in the APN, Username and Password all correct, but there's a box that's asking for "Network" and doesn't want to let me connect without it"
[14:30] <doleyb> rmrfslash_: is PowerDevil something new?
[14:30] <bo0ts__> doleyb: It has been around for some time now.
[14:31] <henry_BR> I download alternate cd, kubuntu 9.04, and i can't upgrade my kubuntu 8.10.... I try kdesudo "/media/iso/cdromupgrade" and it start but... during the process it requires a internet connection.... Must I have this internet connection?? I guessed the cd was to upgrade without the internet... How can I do it? thank you
[14:34] <doleyb> rmrfslash_: So I don't see any way to get a widget which swaps power settings.  Oh well, maybe I must look for that feature elsewhere.
[14:34] <Beazel> Does anyone know what needs to be typed in the "Network" box in "Network Management" when setting up a Mobile Broadband connection?
[14:35] <doleyb> Beazel: Isn't that just a label for your reference?
[14:36] <Beazel> doleyb: I'm thinking it might be, but something's stopping me connecting...  Got all the details right, just doesn't seem to fly...
[14:36] <Beazel> I'll have another bash with it, but I'm napidly running out of things to try!
[14:36] <Beazel> Rapidly even...
[14:37] <ederico_> I solved my problem, no worries! Thanks anyways
[14:38] <GRiD> hey folks, problems on upgrade to jaunty: #1, no more networking icon in the taskbar. when i start it manually, it won't connect to wireless. saw at least 2 posts about this in forums but no solutions, anyone know?
[14:38] <Beazel> Also, it seems to be recognising my Huwaii E160 as an E220, do you happen to know if this is a bug?
[14:38] <canen> strange, before when i used XAA i got some weird issues now it seems to be working better than EXA
[14:39] <tsimpson> GRiD: did you read the release notes?
[14:39] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Network%20management%20applet%20must%20be%20re-added%20on%20Kubuntu%20upgrade
[14:40] <GRiD> embarrasingly i had a problem finding them. thanks
[14:40] <tsimpson> it *should* link to it in the upgrade tool, not sure if it actually does
[14:41] <GRiD> it may have, but when i went back and tried to find a link from the web, couldn't find it
[14:42] <tsimpson> the info is also on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[14:42] <GRiD> there really should be something here, which is the most obvious link from the front page: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes
[14:42] <GRiD> ok thanks
[14:42] <Beazel> doleyb: Thanks for advice, I've just tried it in a Windows machine and it don't work there either.  I'm thinking that the network's got problems rather than me!  Cheers!
[14:43] <tsimpson> GRiD: there should be, but ubuntu.com cares not about kubuntu
[14:43] <tsimpson> or so it seems anyway
[14:44] <GRiD> well, not even the normal ubuntu 9.04 is there
[14:45] <tsimpson> oh, it does
[14:45] <tsimpson> it's just not linked
[14:45] <tsimpson> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[14:45] <Beazel> GRiD: I think they put a link on the download page but it's in letters so small you'd barely notice  without Ctrl-Fing the thing
[14:46] <Beazel> I didn't notice them 'cos Firefox put the DL dialog in front of it...
[14:46] <GRiD> ok well thanks for the help, i'll try the work around. my other problem is apparently also listed here: "Performance regressions on Intel graphics cards". it's really terrible
[14:47] <Beazel> GRiD: You're doing the upgrade right?
[14:48] <GRiD> well, it's done, yes
[14:48] <Beazel> Not sure it'll help with your thing but I've learned the hard way, "When in doubt, do a clean install"
[14:49] <Beazel> Had a problem with my old wireless card a while back,
[14:49] <GRiD> yikes. no time for that right now. hope it's solvable
[14:49] <Beazel> Should have been working, did EVERYTHING over a period of like, 3 days,
[14:50] <Beazel> Then tried a clean install just on the off-chance and it worked out of the box
[14:50] <Beazel> Never did figure out what the problem was either...
[14:50] <tsimpson> GRiD: try the "forwardported" driver, fixed it 100% for me
[14:50] <tsimpson> GRiD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[14:51] <ct529> anyone who tried 904?
[14:51] <Beazel> Right, I'm off to try and beat this USB dongle into submission.
[14:54] <Morydd> is it unusual for top to show kded4 using >90% CPU?
[14:58] <ct529> anyone who already updated to 904? have you had any difficulty / problem?
[14:59] <faileas> Morydd: well, it shouldn't be happening
[14:59] <Morydd> faileas: I suspected as much. Any ideas what would cause that/how to fix it?
[15:00] <faileas> Morydd: fraid not
[15:02] <genii> Morydd: Do you have multiple cores?
[15:03] <comfanter> I installed kubuntu9.04 a moment ago
[15:04] <comfanter> Although I have windows and ubuntu8.04
[15:04] <ct529> comfanter: how did it go? did you upgrade from 810?
[15:04] <Morydd> genii: yes. 2
[15:04] <Jonty> I've upgraded to Jaunty and added my wireless network and set it to automatically log in, but it doesn't. I have to go into the settings and put in the wallet password first. Then, if it disconnects later the panel freezes and I have to restart in order to connect again.
[15:05] <Jonty> I never thought I'd say this, but is it possible to switch back to KNetworkManager?
[15:05] <ct529> Jonty: I like KNetworkManager
[15:05] <genii> Morydd: When you hit 1  in top, shows one core running near capacity and the other other idle?
[15:06] <Jonty> ct529: I'd like it if it let you make NetworkManager log you in at boot, not at KDE start. Either way, it's miles better than what I have now.
[15:07] <comfanter> NO,I downloaded  and installed  it
[15:07] <Morydd> genii: yes.
[15:07] <eagles0513875> Jonty: i think knetworkmanager is in the repos
[15:08] <Jonty> eagles0513875: I have it, sure, it just won't let me use it
[15:08] <Morydd> seems to be switching from time to time which is at cap and which is idle
[15:08] <eagles0513875> Jonty: do you use it to connect to a wifi network or wired network
[15:09] <comfanter> But it isn't stable yet
[15:09] <genii> Morydd: I've seen this previously and it involves passing some kernel option at boot to fix it. But offhand cannot recall the option
[15:09] <ct529> comfanter: thanks a lot, I am going to wait :)
[15:09] <Jonty> eagles0513875: wifi
[15:10] <eagles0513875> Jonty: i would advise against using knetworkmanager i used to try to get it to connect to wifi but it would never work. the new networkmanager plasmoid works  flawlessly with wifi and wired
[15:10] <Jonty> the new what?
[15:10] <ct529> cdoes anyone know a tool to switch locak you computer every hour for 10 minutes? Something like an ergonomic helper!
[15:10] <Jonty> Ill check that out
[15:10] <GRiD> so my problems are deeper than just adding the knetworkmanager applet back in ... after upgrade, my wireless doesn't appear to work at all. it's recognized and drivers are loaded, but it doesn't find any access points. sigh. this upgrades a total bust for me.
[15:10] <Jonty> still, for me, it needs the wallet password before doing anything
[15:11] <ct529> sorry, does anyone know a tool to *LOCK* you computer every hour for 10 minutes? Something like an ergonomic helper!
[15:12] <Jonty> oh, by the way, does anyone know how to make sure the networking and batter life plasmoids don't have black text on a slightly darker black background?
[15:13] <eagles0513875> Jonty: the new plasmoid uses the wallet as well
[15:13] <GRiD> ct529, rsibreak
[15:13] <eagles0513875> Jonty: did you change the appearance
[15:14] <eagles0513875> i changed the color appearence to a dark grayish black but the text on the plasmoids is white on a dark color for me
[15:14] <Jonty> eagles0513875: yeah, how do I get back to some sort of default?
[15:15]  * Dillizar will never remove Kubuntu 8.04
[15:15] <Jonty> Dillizar: you're not missing much, I have to say
[15:15] <eagles0513875> Jonty: go back to appearence and change it back to default
[15:16] <Dillizar> Jonty just buggs i am missing :D
[15:16] <Jonty> eagles0513875: ok, my colour scheme is the default, but plasmoids are still fairly unreadable
[15:16] <Jonty> same colour scheme for them as before
[15:17] <eagles0513875> Jonty: im not sure i assumed you change the appearace of the color :( never had that happen to me before to be honest
[15:19] <Dillizar> so ppl how is the kubuntu 9.04
[15:20] <faileas> Dillizar: other than the irc client, i love it
[15:20] <GRiD> Dillizar, it broke my wireless and made my graphics crawl. ymmv :)
[15:20] <Dragnslcr> faileas- don't like Quassel?
[15:21] <faileas> Dragnslcr: 'fraid not
[15:21] <faileas> nice idea, but i want my tabbed channels, and the abillity to disconnect from a single channel.
[15:21] <GiantTalkingCow> Downloading it right now to give it a try myself... I gave the normal Ubuntu and Xubuntu a whirl and found them wanting. How's Kubuntu working for all of you, so far?
[15:21] <EagleScreen> faileas: test KDE4 version of konversation
[15:22] <bigjocker> i'll use quassel when it allows me to change the background color
[15:22] <GiantTalkingCow> Oh, they're porting Konversation? Good, I'd heard differently.
[15:22] <eagles0513875> Dillizar: please take non support questions to kubuntu-offtopic channel plz
[15:22] <eagles0513875> GiantTalkingCow: ya they are its not in jaunty but the kde3 version is in the repos
[15:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:23] <Jonty> GiantTalkingCow: wireless is dodgy, it won't let you automatically log in, you have to go to settings and put in the wallet password first
[15:23] <bigjocker> konversation does not look 'integrated' in KDE4
[15:23] <eagles0513875> Jonty: that is true if you want to file a bug i can confirm that for ya
[15:23] <GiantTalkingCow> Jonty: I'd heard. Thankfully, I'm installing this on a PC that's plugged directly into my router, so it's no big deal.
[15:23] <EagleScreen> anyone can test a snapshot of KDE4 version of konversation, there are packages here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=konversation&searchon=names&suite=experimental&section=all
[15:24] <ct529> GRiD: thanks looking at it
[15:24] <eagles0513875> !ot
[15:24] <siegfried_> !restricted
[15:24] <Jonty> eagles0513875: cool
[15:24] <eagles0513875> do you know where to file bugs Jonty
[15:24] <Jonty> ye
[15:24] <Jonty> s
[15:25] <Jonty> I also know how to press the enter key too well, it would seem
[15:25] <faileas> EagleScreen: there's one?
[15:25] <faileas> EagleScreen: can i use it alongside the KDE3 one?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> Jonty: just checking
[15:25] <bigjocker> EagleScreen, can we install that package just by dpkg installing it?
[15:25] <siegfried_> has anyone had crashing problems with 9.04?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> faileas: any app that still hasnt been ported can be run along side kde4 apps
[15:25] <EagleScreen> faileas: I think not
[15:25] <Jonty> eagles0513875: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/349445
[15:26] <bigjocker> EagleScreen, or are there any extra dependencies?
[15:26] <faileas> EagleScreen: i'll bookmark it and try it in a VM first then
[15:26] <eagles0513875> bigjocker: you will most likely have to compile stuff in svn
[15:26] <bigjocker> oh
[15:26] <EagleScreen> bigjocker: install it with dpkg or gdebi
[15:26] <bigjocker> ok
[15:26] <ct529> GRiD: great! Exactly what I was looking for! thanks!
[15:27] <GRiD> ct529, np. i've used it for over a year, works great.
[15:28] <Dragnslcr> bigjocker- the background color for Quassel follows your KDE color scheme
[15:28] <Jonty> eagles0513875: ah ha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/350301
[15:28] <eagles0513875> Jonty: i also confirmed that first bug that you linked
[15:29] <bigjocker> hmm
[15:29] <bigjocker> nice
[15:29] <ct529> GRiD: yes, somethingwe loose sight of the time .... :)
[15:29]  * bigjocker using konversation for KDE 4.2.2
[15:30] <eagles0513875> the 2nd bug i cant really confirm the 1st i can
[15:30] <Jonty> eagles0513875: well that's the one I'd have filed
[15:31] <eagles0513875> Jonty: can you clarify what you mean by how to store the key in the wallet
[15:33] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip how are you today
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: not bad, you?
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know how I can disable IPv6?
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: not bad either just helping out in here
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: you have to blacklist it somewhere i forgot where though
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i had to do it once cuz of opera browser using ipv6 to connect to sites and timing out
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> erusual just gave me the link
[15:34] <ct529> can anyone suggest a good primer on object oriented programming, something for beginners, but really thick beginners
[15:35] <genii> Morydd: Still here?
[15:35] <shadowland> How much of a beginner?  There is a programming primer for kids called "Alice" to teach OO concepts
[15:35] <Jonty> eagles0513875: in order to automatically connect, I must open up the network settings. This asks for a password for the wallet, and once it has that it connects
[15:35] <ct529> shadowland: wouldn't that be a bit too complicated?
[15:35] <ct529> :D
[15:36] <ct529> shadowland: point me out to that, please?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> Jonty: do you mind clarifying in regards to your bug its kind of ambiguous the way it is worded
[15:36] <genii> Morydd: After searching my old notes, found a boot option which may help with the one-core-racing thing:   notsc (means to turn off cpu time-stamp-counter)
[15:36] <shadowland> ct529: http://www.alice.org/
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> ct529: head to #C++ or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:37] <Jonty> eagles0513875: I haven't filed one, the second one isn't me. Do you want me to reply to it fully explaining what happens to me?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> Jonty: its ok i got it
[15:38] <jado> hi, i have no sound when i do speaker-test or vlc x.mp3 but i have no error (i've just upgraded to 9.04). if i go to Multimedia, there are 2 Audio ouputs, one name 'Nvidia nForce 2 etc." which works with the button 'test' and the other pulseaudio that does not work when i press 'test'
[15:40] <canen> will qt 4.5.1 be included in 9.04 updates?
[15:44] <EagleScreen> canen: I dont know, but it should be included because 4.5.0 sucks
[15:44] <canen> :)
[15:44] <gohmifune> Konqueror is telling that my hard drive partition is full when it isn't.
[15:44] <EagleScreen> canen lests ask it in #kubuntu-devel
[15:44] <gohmifune> any ideas?
[15:44] <canen> well, it is backwards compatible and is a bug fix
[15:45] <kya> Hello. I need some help.
[15:46] <kya> I just upgraded to the new Kubuntu.
[15:46] <eagles0513875> kya: just ask your question bro if anyone knows it they will respond :)
[15:46] <kya> ok.
[15:46] <GiantTalkingCow> A quick question: does Jaunty use KDE's own WM compositing solution by default? Or Compiz?
[15:47] <NCommander> Stupid question, but is there a way to get multitouch on my trackpad working in Kubuntu (it works in Xubuntu and UbuntU)
[15:49] <Dragnslcr> GiantTalkingCow- Kubuntu has never used compiz by default
[15:49] <rhkfin> Trying to upgrade but I get 'an unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade' (see http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4086828.png and ignore the finnish text :) - any ideas how to get over it? Files (&bugrep) available here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/278285
[15:49] <kya> I just upgraded to the new Kubuntu. I have two disks /dev/sdb1 mounted as / and /dev/sda1/ mounted as /media/otherdisk I lost everything on sda1 and the disk that has 250gb now reports only 31.49gb. How can I reformart the disk with the full size again?
[15:49] <Dragnslcr> And yes, compositing is built in to kwin in KDE 4
[15:49] <Jonty> eagles0513875: well, I've got to go now. Thanks for your assistance
[15:49] <GiantTalkingCow> Dragnslcr: Hasn't it? That's nice to know, thank you.
[15:49] <eagles0513875> no prob Jonty any more questions or problems dont hesitate to pop in
[15:50] <Dragnslcr> kya- gparted can probably help
[15:53] <ct529> GRiD: great, it works well
[15:53] <kya> Tried Gparted also reported wrong size :(
[15:58] <seanw__> lol hard to find a nick that isn't registered
[15:59] <cliebow> i have a dell mini 9 running hardy..to make the firstclass client work ihad to force install intrepids libqt3-mt..is there any way to resolve the dependency errors i rcieve on update iwhtout reverting to hrdys libqt3-mt?
[16:00] <cliebow> all the k* apps seem to work fine btw
[16:00] <kgx> hows 9.04 looking? worth upgrading? im still on 8.04
[16:01] <FaxNet2> i was playing around with 9.04 last nite and noticed it doesnt have wpa2 support, is there a reason for this and will it be supported?
[16:01] <Dragnslcr> FirstClass? Oh man, I'm sorry
[16:02] <EagleScreen> FaxNet2: you have wpa2 support if you use network-manager-kde to connect
[16:02] <EagleScreen> kgx: 9.04 has got currently a bunch of bugs
[16:02] <FaxNet2> EagleScreen: why is it not supported on the other network manager?
[16:03] <EagleScreen> because the last line I wrote
[16:03] <FaxNet2> EagleScreen: sorry i missed that, so there should be an update to fix that eventually rite
[16:04] <EagleScreen> it is expectable
[16:04] <FaxNet2> thank you for ur help, appreciated
[16:06] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- how did you install the client? The .deb packages have been working for me for a while (for the values of "work" that apply to FirstClass)
[16:07] <seanw__> Currently I have kubuntu 8.10 with firefox 3.0.8 and with any images that use css backgroundurl's there's a black border around the left and top side of the image. Is there anyway to fix this?
[16:08] <rhkfin> Anyone have any idea what to do when trying to upgrade to Jaunty: "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[16:09] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, i simply dpkg -i the client from fcc
[16:10] <BluesKaj> kya_, GParted live cd or the application ?
[16:10] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- what version of FirstClass?
[16:10] <cliebow> 9.1
[16:10] <cliebow> ish
[16:10] <cliebow> but the 8 client had the same issue..same output when straced
[16:11] <kya_> Dragnslcr: The application: didn't now there was a live cd. Going for it.
[16:11] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, but the 8 client had the same issue..same output when straced
[16:12] <Dragnslcr> Hm, I dunno. I don't think I've run in to any dependency issues with it in a while, but I haven't done a clean install of Kubuntu in a while, so I might have all the old packages it needs
[16:12] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- what version of Kubuntu are you on now?
[16:13] <cliebow> fcc worked fine in gutsy and intrepid..so i worked with chris ho at firstclass who came up with this kludge
[16:13] <cliebow> '
[16:14] <Dragnslcr> I was using the Windows version under wine for a while. Can't remember offhand when I started using the native Linux client
[16:14] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, well..default hardy install on mini 9..ogra from canonical suggested i bring it up here..since the k* programs are what seem to have dep probs
[16:14]  * cliebow cliebow runs out to the car after laptop
[16:16] <seanw__> Currently I have kubuntu 8.10 with firefox 3.0.8 and with any images that use css backgroundurl's there's a black border around the left and top side of the image. Yet in Konqurer everything displays fine. Is there anyway to fix this?
[16:17] <seanw__> Konqueror*
[16:18] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- not sure what else to say. I've never run into any dependency problems with it. Worst case, you should be able to use the Windows version with wine
[16:18] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- have an example that we can look at?
[16:19] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: like a screenshot of the issue?
[16:19] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- a URL
[16:19] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, yeah...finest kind..thanks for the help..
[16:19] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: sure just an example: http://brighart.com/home
[16:20] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- sorry I couldn't help. I'm with you on the FirstClass pain, though. My university uses it, and they let alumni keep our accounts, so I've been using it for over 10 years
[16:20] <Longfield> hello: I have just upgraded to jaunty, and I my networking service does not start anymore !
[16:21] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, i see..i am subadmin here so need to do quite a lot in it..
[16:22] <jeiworth> seanw__: dont see any borders using 3.0.9
[16:22] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- anything specific on the page that has the problem?
[16:22] <kya_> BluesKaj: Going for a Gparted reboot ;) Thanks.
[16:22] <seanw__> jeiworth: ah maybe i should upgrade from 3.0.8
[16:22] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: i'll take a screenshot
[16:22] <bobby> hi
[16:23] <bobby> how do i install nvidia drivers in kubuntu 9.04?
[16:23] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- haha, I just scrolled back up to check your host to see where you're from. I definitely feel your pain
[16:23] <jeiworth> seanw__: yeah,better make a screenshot, sounds more like a local issue (some plugin/extension maybe?)
[16:23] <bobby> which version do I install? i find nvidia-glx-71, 96, 180, 196
[16:23] <bobby> 173
[16:23] <jeiworth> dont remember 3.0.8 having any problems like that
[16:23] <eagles0513875> bobby: i would install the latest one are you using the gui
[16:23] <cliebow> heehee.i am from Maine
[16:24] <bobby> eagles0513875: yeah
[16:24] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- is it Orono that's making you deal with FirstClass?
[16:24] <seanw__> http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3443/snapshot5.png
[16:24] <eagles0513875> bobby: i normally use the latest one
[16:24] <seanw__> jeiworth: the only plugin i have is firebug
[16:24] <bobby> ok
[16:24] <eagles0513875> bobby: if i run into issues i go to the one just before it
[16:25] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, no my own schools..
[16:25] <jeiworth> seanw__: hm that i also have installed
[16:25] <cliebow> i had a perfectly good sendmail running..then horde..then got stuck with this pig
[16:26] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- nope, looks fine in 3.0.9 here
[16:26] <shid007_> Hi there! sometimes apt falls with segmentation fault... anyone has the same problem?
[16:26] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: i'll upgrade and see if that fixes the issue. :D
[16:26] <seanw__> thanks for your help guys
[16:27] <millun_> is there a way to tell which gfx modes are supported?
[16:27] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- yeah, I think FirstClass did some fairly special stuff 10 years ago, but it can probably be replaced by newer stuff by now.
[16:28] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, i almost had em convinced to go with ..senior moment it will come to me
[16:29] <serenity> hi, i just wanted to update amarok to 2.1 Beta. Added the ppa and did update. But now, the packages for amarok are blocked.  Apt-cache show says - Conflicts: amarok-kde4
[16:29] <millun_> is there a way to tell which gfx modes are supported?
[16:29] <attila__> hi
[16:29] <attila__> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   doesn't do anything! I still have (k)ubuntu 8  (oder 8.04 according to /etc/lsb-release) what now?
[16:29] <cliebow> zimbra
[16:29] <serenity> but in jaunty there is no amarok-kde4
[16:30] <cliebow> attila__, ive been advised to dist-upgrade from package manager..
[16:31] <attila__> thx, I'll try it too
[16:32] <alt_> hi
[16:39] <seanw__> Upgraded to 3.0.9 and the issue went away, thanks guys
[16:40] <jeiworth> say, with my new hp laptop i got an ir remote control with it, anyone know how to use that with kubuntu? with irda-utils or is that just to connect mobile phones?
[16:40] <kya_> BluesKaj:Gparted live sees the full disk I formated it but rebooting to Kubuntu I get 31gb again :(
[16:40] <attila__> are the update-servers down at the moment?
[16:41] <yaa_> seem like that
[16:41] <yaa_> seems
[16:41] <attila__> forget... its getting further for me :)
[16:41] <attila__> hopefully until 100%
[16:41] <jeiworth> hmmmm lirc mor likely
[16:42] <Byron> Hello everyone. For all that have upgraded to 9.04, is /usr/bin/plasma overtaking most of your CPU? I have it currently going at 85-90%
[16:42] <eagles0513875> yaa_:  attila__ the update servers probably still getting hit rather hard cuz everyone is probablly upgrading
[16:42] <millun_> can i make X accept 1680x1050?
[16:42] <attila__> <-- restarting
[16:43] <attila__> eagles0513875, I would even pay a little bit, to have it faster :)
[16:43] <jeiworth> Byron: nope, but xorg is eating around 20-30% due to my intel vga
[16:43] <eagles0513875> attila__: just let it run and just be patient
[16:44] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, guess ill just have to live with updating..then force-architecture the libqt3-mt
[16:44] <eagles0513875> Byron: upgrading i find to be buggy still i found some old stuff like adept and knetowork manager that have been replaced by new stuff in jaunty
[16:44] <attila__> eagles0513875, i could enjoy the sun :)
[16:44]  * eagles0513875 gently kicks attila__ out the door to go get some sun
[16:45] <jeiworth> lol  sometimes you should just try before asking, a dont beleive it, its working out of the box! :D
[16:45] <eagles0513875> jeiworth: you talking bout me
[16:45] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- if you have a spare computer or hard drive kicking around, it might be worth trying a clean install of 9.04 and see what happens
[16:45] <attila__> wow... start did hurt...
[16:45] <jeiworth> eagles0513875: nope, i had a question about the ir remote control that came with my laptop
[16:46] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, Gosh..you mean i missed the jaunty coming-out party?
[16:46] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[16:47] <eagles0513875> cliebow: that was yesterday
[16:47] <Dragnslcr> Official release was yesterday
[16:47] <cliebow>  y guess would be it will be just fine..it is just that one version of libqt3-mt..
[16:47] <cliebow> eagles0513875, dang..ill have to give ogra a thumbs up then..
[16:48] <cliebow> eagles0513875, i am one of ltsp guys btw..
[16:48] <Dragnslcr> What version of libqt3-mt do you have installed?
[16:49] <Byron> eagles0513875: No solution for the high usage in plasma?
[16:49] <cliebow> the working one is libqt3-mt_3.3.8-b-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[16:49] <eagles0513875> Byron: im on a clean install and i dont have that problem
[16:49] <Byron> jeiworth: 20-30 is high, but also depends on your processor for value.
[16:49] <cliebow> the flaky one is i think 3ubuntu
[16:49] <Byron> I would kill plasma, but then there goes all my stuff
[16:50] <jeiworth> Byron: yeah, i think so too, its a known bug, intel b0rked their drivers, supposed to be fixed  in like 6 months... *sigh*
[16:50] <Byron> jeiworth: Just in time for 9.10, huh?
[16:51] <jeiworth> Byron: :D exactly
[16:51] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, the default for a mini9 is libqt3-mt_3%3a3.3.8-b-ubuntu3_lpia.deb
[16:51] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- yeah, I have -5 installed
[16:51] <Byron> jeiworth: Well, I guess it gives you something to look forward to as the days pass
[16:51] <lovre> hi all.
[16:52] <lovre> where can i see whats new in 9.04, i mean the most important things?
[16:52] <jeiworth> Byron: yeah... thats what you get for extra paying close attention to linux compatibility when you buy hardware :P
[16:53] <rubinho> hello together
[16:53] <elirips> Hello. Can someone else confirm that network-manager is no longer working with wireless in 9.04? I just upgrade from 8.10, there things worked finde.
[16:54] <Dragnslcr> lovre- probably in the release announcement on the website
[16:54] <bokey> hi guys is there konqueror 4.2.2 available in ppa?
[16:54] <rubinho> can someone help me? i am not able so upmix my 2.0 sound since i updated do "jaunty"
[16:54] <Dragnslcr> bokey- it's part of KDE 4.2.2
[16:55] <bokey> Dragnslcr: and i'd have to get jaunty for that?
[16:55] <jeiworth> elirips: works fine, but you have to configure all your wlan connections anew
[16:55] <bokey> or is 4.2.2 (KDE) available as ppa already?
[16:55] <Dragnslcr> bokey- pretty sure there are 8.10 packages for it in a PPA
[16:56] <jeiworth> isnt 4.2.2 already in the official backports repo?
[16:56] <jeiworth> for 8.10, that is
[16:56] <elirips> jeiworth: how to do that? Remove everything from kwallet? purge and reinstall nm? I only get this in syslog: NetworkManager: <WARN>  impl_manager_activate_connection(): Connection (0) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate: (3) No user settings service available
[16:56] <Dragnslcr> bokey- http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2
[16:57] <bokey> Dragnslcr: thanks
[16:57] <Dragnslcr> jeiworth- 4.2.0 was in backports, but for some reason the versions above that stayed in PPA
[16:58] <jeiworth> elirips: hmm never checked my syslog, check system settings -> network settings -> network management -> and then click on the wireless tab
[16:58] <Byron> How can I change the height of my Kicker
[16:58] <Byron> 8.10
[16:58] <jeiworth> Dragnslcr: ah kk, well then kubuntu-experimental ppa should definitely have it bokey
[16:58] <rubinho> ist htere anybody who can help me?
[16:59] <darrob> hi, i have a little problem installing kubuntu. this is the first time that i'm asked where to install grub and i'm not quite sure what the right place is. i tried to put in the partition that i assigned as /boot (/dev/sda3), but that didn't work.
[16:59] <elirips> jeiworth: no data stored in there
[17:00] <jeiworth> elirips: exactly, all saved connections are gone so you will have to create them again :-/
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: that is what I've done, then I get NetworkManager: <WARN>  impl_manager_activate_connection(): Connection (0) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate: (3) No user settings service available
[17:00] <jeiworth> elirips:  create a new  connection by clicking on add
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: i know
[17:00] <jeiworth> aah ok
[17:00] <Byron> I did it once when I first installed 8.10 on my netbook, but that's about it. I tried it again, but there aren't any anchors
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: the problem is it wont connect
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: something is broken
[17:00] <jeiworth> ifconfig shows your wlan-card? lspci?
[17:00] <theuser1>  i just upgraded but the new version of kde in kubuntu doesnt shows me all windows in one screen when i move my mouse button to upper left of screen. no visiualisation on alt+tab too. any solutions?
[17:01] <dragonbreath> I have the same issue as elirips
[17:01] <jeiworth> theuser1: desktop effects off?
[17:01] <elirips> dragonbreath: any solution yet?
[17:01] <yaa_> do not hurry
[17:01] <dragonbreath> shows the networks, but can't connect to mine
[17:01] <dragonbreath> elirips: is your network hidden?
[17:01] <elirips> dragonbreath: no
[17:02] <elirips> dragonbreath: it doesn't matter if it is a WPA1/2 or unsecured network
[17:02] <dragonbreath> mmm..thought that might have been what was wrong with mine
[17:02] <dragonbreath> Mine is hidden and wpa2
[17:02] <theuser1> jeiworth:  no . i want that effect
[17:02] <dragonbreath> worked before the upgrade, or course
[17:02] <elirips> dragonbreath: all i get this error in syslog ...No user settings service available
[17:02] <jeiworth> elirips, dragonbreath what wlan chip is your card?
[17:02] <elirips> dragonbreath: it worked fine in 8.10
[17:03] <elirips> dragonbreath: i'm suspecting that nm doesn't get the needed information from kdewallet
[17:03] <jeiworth> theuser1: the question was, if they are deactivated. the exposé effect is a desktop effect
[17:03] <dragonbreath> I haven't been using wallet before..hmm
[17:03] <jeiworth> theuser1: as is the nicer alt-tab switching
[17:04] <Byron> In regards to networking, it is taking an excruciating long time on my desktop. For some odd ball reason, it connects and disconnects without reconnecting and kNetworkManager knows nothing of it and still reports an IP.
[17:04] <elirips> jeiworth: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[17:04] <dragonbreath> jeiworth: how do I find out the chipset? It's an intel a/b/g one I believe
[17:04] <theuser1> jeiworth:  i want that effect. can you tell me how to?
[17:04] <dragonbreath> yeah, that one
[17:04] <elirips> dragonbreath: lscpi | grep Network
[17:05] <elirips> dragonbreath: lspci | grep Network
[17:05] <dragonbreath> Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100
[17:05] <bokey> is LP down?
[17:05] <dragonbreath> LP?
[17:05] <bokey> launchpad.net
[17:06] <jeiworth> theuser1: go to system settings -> desktop and verify that desktop effects are activated, then go to tab screen edges and check if the upper left corner is green, if not click on it and select the action (e.g. present windows all desktops)
[17:06] <bokey> Timeout error
[17:06] <bokey> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[17:06] <dragonbreath> LP just came up for me in FF
[17:06] <bokey> hrm
[17:06] <jeiworth> elirips, dragonbreath so you both have intel? dang it, intel seems to have really screwed something up major with their new drivers :P
[17:06]  * KiRiLoS is back (gone 13:35:26)
[17:07] <dragonbreath> jeiworth: lol
[17:07]  * KiRiLoS Heya
[17:07] <bokey> dragonbreath: what about https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa ?
[17:07] <bokey> hi KiRiLoS
[17:07] <dragonbreath> bokey: yep
[17:07] <bokey> uhh? demn!
[17:07] <bokey> thanks dragonbreath
[17:07] <dragonbreath> np
[17:08] <theuser1> jeiworth: done that
[17:08] <jeiworth> theuser1: righto, and not working?
[17:09] <jeiworth> elirips, dragonbreath seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/350370
[17:09] <dragonbreath> looking now...
[17:10] <MaCEl> hello all. I upgraded my kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 and many bugs are gone in KDE. meee'sa happy! :)
[17:10] <theuser1> jeiworth: but its not showing preset windows
[17:10] <theuser1> jeiworth: ill restard kde?
[17:11] <jeiworth> theuser1: normally you dont have to restart kde. so the up-left-corner thing is working?
[17:11] <theuser1> no. its not
[17:12] <elirips> jeiworth: it works for me when configuring things manually in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:12] <jeiworth> theuser1: hmm what vgs card and driver are you using?
[17:13] <jeiworth> vgs->vga
[17:13] <jeiworth> elirips: strange
[17:13] <theuser1> it was working in previous kde
[17:13] <theuser1> how to check
[17:13] <theuser1> ?
[17:13] <elirips> i'll now try nm-applet from gnome
[17:13] <elirips> i think that will work
[17:14] <jeiworth> glxinfo is probably the fastest way to find out
[17:14] <comfanter> I download a file but I can't find it,who knows where it is?
[17:14] <jeiworth> comfanter: lol
[17:15] <jeiworth> comfanter: with what did you download it?
[17:15] <eagles0513875> cliebow: hey
[17:15] <cliebow> yeah..lost ya
[17:15] <MaCEl> question: everytime i restart kubuntu i have to reset the screen resolution with NVIDIA settings tool. When i try to save the settings i get: 'Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup' What should i do?
[17:15] <comfanter> Koonqueror
[17:15] <dragonbreath> comfanter: try your home icon, click near the top of the popup to open your desktop in dolphin
[17:16] <jeiworth> MaCEl: try running nvidia settings tool as root/with sudo
[17:16] <elirips> okay, it is definitly a problem that comes with Kubuntu 9.04
[17:16] <elirips> nm-applet from Gnome works fine
[17:16] <MaCEl> thanks jeiworth. i'll try
[17:16] <elirips> it is only knetworkmanager, network-manager-kde and the plasma network-manager that wont work
[17:16] <jeiworth> lol
[17:17] <eagles0513875> !uck | cliebow
[17:17] <elirips> jeiworth: as a workaround you can install network-manager-gnome
[17:17] <jeiworth> elirips: strange though, i didnt have any problems and i upgraded when it was still beta
[17:17] <elirips> jeiworth: and use nm-applet
[17:17] <elirips> jeiworth: it was working fine for me with 8.10 and Kde 4.2 from backports.org. I upgraded to 9.04 today, and it is broken
[17:18] <jeiworth> :-/
[17:18] <theuser1> ?
[17:19] <MaCEl> it worked. i hope now my X settings are permanent :)
[17:20] <jeiworth> MaCEl: \o/
[17:21] <MaCEl> :)
[17:21] <jeiworth> brb
[17:22] <wers> when i installed kubuntu, my firefox fonts got messed up. they dont render properly anymore. how do i fix this?
[17:23] <draik> Did networking get better or worse when going from 8.10 to 9.04?
[17:24] <elirips> draik: here, worse :P
[17:25] <draik> I was really hoping networking would be fixed; among other things
[17:25] <AndyMan1> is Jaunty running very slow for anyone else?
[17:26] <elirips> draik: i've been using 8.10 with kde 4.2 from backports, things worked fine there. upgraded to 9.04 today, knetwork-manager is no longer working with wireless for me. now i'm using nm-applet from gnome..
[17:27] <theuser1> any help?
[17:28] <Byron> elirips: I'm on a netbook and wifi is my main thing. Wifi works 'out of the box' for me after the 2nd install on the HDD
[17:28] <dragonbreath> elirips: where do you get the applet from?
[17:28] <bokey> theuser1: what happened
[17:29] <elirips> dragonbreath: sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome then start it from a console using  nm-applet
[17:29] <elirips> Byron: Did you upgrade or fresh install?
[17:29] <theuser1> can see preset windows when i move mouse to left upmost . can see visiualisation of windows when i hit alt+tab . it was working fine in the previous  kde until i upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 ?
[17:29] <theuser1> bokey: ^
[17:30] <Byron> elirips: Sorry, I hit Enter by mistake instead of Shift as intended. I was going to add that I'm referencing that install to 8.10. I was just curious as to mabe a missed package or something along those lines.
[17:30] <bokey> theuser1: preset window?
[17:30] <Byron> s/mabe/maybe
[17:30] <theuser1> present*
[17:31] <MushroomKingdom> I cant get my Konsole to have a transparent backgrounf
[17:31] <elirips> Byron: Maybe my problem comes from the upgrade.. who knows... I dont have time right now to go more into the deep, i just need something that works, so i'll stick to nm-applet until I get some more time
[17:31] <AndyMan1> I just upgraded to Jaunty, and it's really, really laggy and unresponsive. I don't have any extra display goodies turned on, any idea what's wrong?
[17:31] <elirips> Byron: Would be nice to check if it works with a fres install of 9.04
[17:32] <bokey> theuser1: what kde version do you have?
[17:32] <elirips> Byron: Maybe its also a problem with dbus
[17:32] <theuser1> 4.2.2
[17:32] <Byron> I don't have much on the netbook, so maybe I'll do that
[17:32] <dragonbreath> AndyMan1: mine's a bit slow too...
[17:32] <canen> AndyMan1: do you have an ATI card?
[17:32] <AndyMan1> mobile 9000, i think
[17:33] <canen> opensource drivers?
[17:33] <bokey> theuser1: file a bug
[17:33] <bokey> report
[17:33] <AndyMan1> i'm not sure, i've totally forgotten how to find that out, actually
[17:33] <canen> check to see if you have fglrx installed
[17:33] <canen> aptitude search fglrx
[17:33] <AndyMan1> kk, checking, thanks
[17:34] <canen> or check yor log/config to see which driver is being used
[17:34] <MushroomKingdom> Hi, is there something I can download so that my desktop allows me to have transparent backgrounds in konsole?
[17:34] <theuser1> bokey: how to get the previous kde?
[17:35] <bokey> theuser1: backports may have it
[17:35] <canen> MushroomKingdom: enable desktop effects if your card can handle it
[17:35] <Byron> MushroomKingdom: I think it's an available option within konsole itself
[17:35] <MushroomKingdom> I have the desktop effects enabled but It wont allow me to
[17:35] <theuser1> bokey:  backports?
[17:35] <canen> MushroomKingdom: and change the transpareny option for the konsole profile
[17:35] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about backports
[17:36] <MushroomKingdom> I have transparency at max, but it tells me my desktop doesnt support it
[17:36] <AndyMan1> canen: don't think i'm using fglrx
[17:36] <bokey> theuser1: i am not using 9.04 or 4.2.2 (yet) so i can't say for sure whats happening
[17:36] <kubun2009> Loving juanty..
[17:36] <canen> AndyMan1: then that is probable it, the opensource drivers are slow
[17:36] <bokey> backports means new software ported to previous release
[17:36] <kubun2009> how do you get codecs for dragon player?
[17:37] <theuser1> bokey:  what are you using
[17:37] <bokey> theuser1: 8.10
[17:37] <canen> AndyMan1: in xorg.conf i changed AccelMethod to XAA and that seems to help
[17:37] <hagabaka_> kded4 keeps using all the CPU since i upgraded to jaunty
[17:37] <theuser1> bokey: what is the kde version in that
[17:37] <canen> MushroomKingdom: then it probable doesn't support it
[17:37] <bokey> theuser1: 4.1
[17:37] <kubun2009> canen - what video card are you guys talking about?
[17:38] <canen> kubun2009: ati
[17:38] <theuser1> bokey:  i cant get 4.1 and remove this 4.2?
[17:38] <bokey> theuser1: its stable except i am going to upgrade to 4.2 only because of konqueror
[17:38] <MushroomKingdom> how do I get it to allow it?
[17:38] <bokey> theuser1: yes it should be possible but i think that'd introduce lot of breakage
[17:38] <AndyMan1> canen: so change that, see if it improves, and if not, install fglrx?
[17:38] <canen> MushroomKingdom: what's your video card?
[17:38] <Flokass> hi
[17:38] <theuser1> bokey: then why its not working fo rme? driver problem ?
[17:38] <MushroomKingdom> Nvidia 8400
[17:38] <MushroomKingdom> gt i think
[17:38] <canen> AndyMan1: check to see if fglrx supports your card
[17:38] <theuser1> bokey:  i heard its done by manulay settting /etc/....... /interfaces. dont know the exact thing?
[17:39] <bokey> theuser1: you're trying to switch with alt+tab right? thats not a driver problem
[17:39] <theuser1> bokey:  hm
[17:39] <kubun2009> what does this setting do? SubSection "Display"
[17:39] <kubun2009>    Virtual 3200 1800
[17:39] <kubun2009> EndSubSection
[17:39] <canen> AndyMan1: in my case it doesn't and fglrx can also lead to a world of hurt
[17:39] <MaCEl> hagabaka: i also had that problem. i restarted kubuntu and now it's fine...
[17:39] <devilsadvocate> ok, so my upgrade failed horribly http://pastie.org/457196
[17:39] <kubun2009> what does that setting do: in xorg.conf i changed AccelMethod to XAA and that seems to help
[17:40] <eagles0513875> !paste | kubun2009
[17:40] <eagles0513875> kubun2009: just to let ya know  for future
[17:40] <canen> kubun2009: it's an accelration architecture
[17:40] <kubun2009> sorry iknow i pasted wrong txt sorry
[17:40] <MushroomKingdom> canen: I run a Nvidia 8400
[17:40] <AndyMan1> canen: alright, thank you. I'll give it a try and report back if it helps
[17:41] <kubun2009> how do i d/l more codecs for dragon player? it isnt playing any files avi, mpg mpeg..etc
[17:41] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about sources.list
[17:41] <canen> MushroomKingdom: you said you had desktop effects enable right?
[17:41] <MushroomKingdom> Yes
[17:41] <canen> kubun2009: i usually use medibuntu
[17:42] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about downgrade
[17:42] <canen> kubun2009: http://medibuntu.org/
[17:42] <bokey> theuser1: that should be it.
[17:42]  * bokey checks 4.2 completes :D
[17:43] <devilsadvocate> !tell devilsadvocate about downgrade
[17:43] <canen> MushroomKingdom: i am using an ATI card here so can't really help
[17:43] <MushroomKingdom> Shucks
[17:44] <canen> MushroomKingdom: i use archlinux with a nvidia card at home. i don't know if their wiki could help you
[17:44] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[17:44] <MushroomKingdom> Well, Is there a specific setting that I should have on?
[17:44] <MushroomKingdom> besides just having desktop effects
[17:44] <abyss_> Hi
[17:45] <canen> MushroomKingdom: can you share your xorg.conf?
[17:45] <AndyMan1> canen: am I looking in the right place? /etc/X11/xorg.conf? there's almost nothing in that file, and no AccelMethod
[17:45] <MushroomKingdom> sure, how do I do that
[17:45] <canen> AndyMan1: add it under the device section
[17:46] <abyss_> Does anyone have experience with Matlab?
[17:46] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[17:46] <AndyMan1> (tab)AccelMethod (tab) "XAA" ?
[17:46] <canen> AndyMan1: http://pastebin.com/m48104648 that's what i have
[17:46] <canen> MushroomKingdom: http://pastebin.com/
[17:47] <kubun2009_> thx
[17:47] <MushroomKingdom> canen: where do I find the xorg.conf?
[17:47] <canen> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:48] <SaTURnO> ha all
[17:48] <hagabaka_> is kded4 using all CPU since upgrade for anyone lese?
[17:48] <canen> hagabaka_: yes :) see backlog
[17:49] <canen> anyway, gotta run
[17:49]  * canen goes off to a meeting
[17:49] <hagabaka_> i don't have backlog
[17:49] <AndyMan1> thanks canen, back in a few
[17:50] <doleyb> hagabaka_: thats happened a lot, try reloggin a bit
[17:50] <MushroomKingdom> canen:http://pastebin.com/d155c6719
[17:50] <SaTURnO> ehm... I have installed kubuntu 9.04beta how can i upgrade to 9.04final without reinstall?
[17:50] <canen> SaTURnO: just run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:51]  * canen _really_ goes
[17:51] <SaTURnO> tnx
[17:51] <gerald> Anyone here with Kubuntu 9.04 running on eeePC 1000 w/o WPA2 Wlan?
[17:51] <SaTURnO> but it do nothing
[17:51] <gerald> sorry, with wpa2 wlan...
[17:51] <theuser1> how to i remove all kde 4.2.2?
[17:53] <frank23> The hardware drivers app doesn't show the nvidia drivers I want to install. I know how to do this manually just wondering why it's not working like it used to.
[17:53] <gerald> @theuser: use dselect/aptitude/synaptic, search for all kde packages and delete this
[17:54] <theuser1> is there a way to upgrad to 9.04 from 8.10 but  not upgrading kde ?
[17:55] <AndyMan1> canen: WOW. it's like going from 56k to a T1. thanks for the tip!
[17:55] <genii> theuser1: Not really
[17:55] <frank23> theuser1: you mean keep kde4.1 instead of kde4.2?
[17:55] <AndyMan1> out of curiosity, what did the that change to XAA do?
[17:55] <theuser1> frank23: ya
[17:56] <theuser1> genii: frank23present windows thing and alt+tab visualisation dont work in 4.2.2 for me
[17:57] <frank23> theuser1: you mean the 3d effects? are your 3d drivers installed and enabled?
[17:57] <theuser1> ya
[17:57] <theuser1> frank23:  i have effects enabled. was working in 4.1 . what drivers are you talking about
[17:58] <bokey> theuser1: you need graphics driver for your card.
[17:58] <whyking> hi
[17:58] <bokey> theuser1: if its 3d related
[17:58] <devilsadvocate> ok, if anyones interested, removinf libqt4-dev seemed to have eased _some_ of my upgrade problems
[17:58] <frank23> theuser1: I just installed 9.04 a couple minutes ago. I don't have the nvidia drivers I need installed yet
[17:58] <bokey> theuser1: when your kernel gets upgraded, it requires a new graphics driver
[17:58] <bokey> yep frank23
[17:58] <theuser1> bokey:  frank23 how to i check. it was working in 4.1. should work for 4.2.2?
[17:58] <bokey> 9.04 uses different (newer) kernel than 8.10
[17:58] <whyking> I just upgrade to jaunty, rebooted, but all kde apps (adept, konqueror, konsole) wont start, other gtk+ apps seem fine (firefox, xchat...) what is going on?
[17:59] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about graphics
[17:59] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about 3d
[17:59] <bokey> damn you ubottu
[17:59] <whyking> they seem to be starting, appear in the taskbar, but then disappear
[17:59] <whyking> any help would be greatly appreciated
[17:59] <theuser1> bokey:  ic. so how do i check drivers frank23
[17:59] <frank23> bokey:  theuser1: well, for nvidia cards, the Hardware Drivers application should show them and let me install them. it's not working though. must be a bug
[18:00]  * KiRiLoS is away: I'm busy
[18:00] <theuser1> frank23: where can i find hardware a[[
[18:00] <theuser1> app
[18:00] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about video
[18:00] <frank23> theuser1: Applications->System->Hardware Drivers
[18:00] <bokey> install the driver then try your 3d thingy
[18:01] <bokey> i thought it was some kde issue earlier sorry
[18:02] <theuser1> frank23: bokey no propreity drivers in use
[18:03] <bokey> theuser1: i dont know what youre taling about
[18:03] <bokey> theuser1: try reading this -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Video
[18:03] <domker> How to recover KDE fonts settings?
[18:03] <whyking> dolphin is crashing as well
[18:03] <whyking> any ideas?
[18:03] <theuser1> bokey no propreity drivers in use iin system settings > hardware drivers
[18:04] <bokey> domker: kcmshell4 fontinst
[18:04] <frank23> theuser1: what video card do you have?
[18:05] <bokey> !crash > whyking
[18:08] <devilsadvocate> ok, openoffice seems to be blocking my upgrade for some reason. any way i can remove it completely for now?
[18:09] <heinkel_111> how do I tell tar to extract the files from an archive into a folder with a given pathname (/home/me/tmp/. for example)
[18:10] <domker> how to fix fonts size to default KDE settings? >> http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3161/zrzutekranu1q.jpg  //too small fonts how to back to default (Default button doesnt work)
[18:12] <esperegu_> how to install flash? after upgrading it does not work anymore....
[18:13] <zak-76> helo all
[18:13] <zak-76> :)
[18:13] <snarkster> i must say you guys have completely out done yourself!!! This is an awesome peice of work
[18:13] <snarkster> the new package manager seems alittle easier to use
[18:14] <cham_eleon> is there a _real_ simple kde4 plasma theme? without gradient or anything like that? only a color?
[18:14] <devilsadvocate> ok. panic time : akonadi server seems to want to remove itself since it is removed. wtf. help
[18:14] <devilsadvocate> since it it unused*
[18:14] <chx> hi. i have an AMD 740G/Radeon 2100 and Jaunty (even after installing Catalyst 9.4) crashes when it switches to X.
[18:15] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? that should make it used again ;)
[18:16] <Szadek> how can i use the notebook remote ?? only one button seems to work , and it only put the screen black and then return to normal
[18:16] <devilsadvocate> dfaure: :( im in upgrade dependancy hell. so far it seems the openoffice suit (all of it) and the qt dev packages were the major blocks. i also dont know why, but the thing asked me some lilo (lilo?) related question
[18:16] <chx> and for more fun: it crashes with radeon and radeonhd too!
[18:16] <devilsadvocate> dfaure: i'm terrified or rebooting now :|
[18:16] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: didn't get any of these problems here....
[18:17] <dfaure> my problem is the ati videocard... X makes the machine hang whatever I try.
[18:18] <draik> I'm trying to install the necessary package/tool for playing DVDs. Says they are encrypted in Kaffeine and that DragonPlayer won't load the media (DVD).
[18:18] <draik> What was that location again? /usr/bin/____?____
[18:18] <devilsadvocate> and there goes quassel core
[18:18] <bendodge> i just upgraded to 9.04, and sudo apt-get doesn't work anymore
[18:19] <bendodge> is there a new command, or do I have to start a root shell?
[18:19] <dfaure> bendodge: still works here...
[18:19] <draik> !dvd
[18:19] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, does aptitude work?
[18:20] <esperegu_> how to get flash installed in firefox?
[18:20] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: yes
[18:20] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, use aptitude for now, maybe use it to install apt-get
[18:21] <bendodge> dfaure: i get command not found with
[18:21] <bendodge> ok
[18:21] <bendodge> dfaure: -with
[18:21] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, i just use aptitude now though
[18:21] <agoole> does anyone have skype working in jaunty ?
[18:22] <agoole> and how can I trace which audio capture is what input ?
[18:22] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: apt-get without sudo works, but obviously gives a perms error
[18:22] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, hmm
[18:24] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: i've actually never tried aptitude before; i like apt-get for when i know exactly what i want done
[18:25] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, aptitude has more or less the same commands iirc. i dont know how to fix your apt-get issue, trying to douse a few major upgrade fires here myself :|
[18:26] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: ok, aptitude will have to do
[18:27] <bendodge> now why doesn't su work? i get authentication failure
[18:28] <bbeck> I had a component to kontact that acted like a wiki (books and pages).  I upgraded to the latest Kubuntu and it's not there anymore.  I was wondering if anyone knew the name of that app so I could reinstall it.
[18:28] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, you have a root pw?
[18:29] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: well, in the past i would put in my account pw
[18:29] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, try sudo -i
[18:29] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: that worked
[18:30] <frank23> wow kpackagekit crashes when I try to install ubuntu-desktop. Not sure this kubuntu release is ready....
[18:30] <devilsadvocate> frank23, it never is :)
[18:30] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: apt-get works with root shell
[18:31] <agoole> anyone get skype working on jaunty?
[18:31] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: i recall something in the original kde4 remix, where sudo kate wouldn't work - something to do with the application paths
[18:31] <bokey> whats the name of the kde app that does 'du -h'?
[18:32] <bokey> lists the most heavy directories etc
[18:32] <bokey> hrm
[18:32] <frank23> devilsadvocate: I haven't used kubuntu since kde4 became default. I'll probably have to stick with gnome for this one too...
[18:33] <bokey> kdirstat go it
[18:34] <agoole> anyone has skype working ?
[18:34] <bokey> agoole: why wouldn't it work?
[18:35] <devilsadvocate> frank23, fwiw, kubuntu 8.10 was one of the best desktop experiences i've had since win98 came out
[18:35] <bokey> devilsadvocate: yeah its stable
[18:35] <dragonbreath> anyone have blue ray dvd's working? ;P
[18:35] <agoole> bokey: I suppose they haven't gotten it to work on jaunty yet,
[18:36] <agoole> bokey: I can install it, but I get no sound
[18:36] <devilsadvocate> frank23, and i do have high hopes for 9.04, i havent actually used it yet, thanks to massive upgrade fail, but much of it is probably in some sense my fault
[18:36] <bokey> agoole: ahhh.. you could try #kde
[18:36] <agoole> bokey: I was wondering if it was pulse audio crapping out again, or skype
[18:36] <bokey> could be
[18:36] <agoole> goign to try alsa,
[18:36] <agoole> hopefully i wont have to compile it from source this time
[18:37] <frank23> devilsadvocate: I see. I was testing 8.10 and when I saw that ktorrent didn't support rss feeds (the kde4 version didn't support them yet) I just went back to ubuntu
[18:37] <bokey> agoole: try the sound test that comes with alsa, then move up to kde sound test, then do the skype test.. thats the sane way of testing sound
[18:38] <agoole> bokey: how do I test just the alsa sound again ?
[18:38]  * bokey is running kdirstat :)
[18:38] <bokey> agoole: theres a tool cant remember its name
[18:38] <bokey> lemme check
[18:40] <bokey> agoole: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting
[18:41] <agoole> bokey: thanks, checking it out, wont be long
[18:41] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[18:41] <bokey> theuser1: packages.ubuntu.com
[18:42] <theuser1> cant find
[18:42] <bokey> theuser1: what do you mean cant find?
[18:42] <theuser1> its kubuntu-desktop. with not version
[18:42] <theuser1> its kubuntu-desktop. with no version
[18:43] <Kransac> hi
[18:44] <MushroomKingdom> Help! My konsole wont open