[01:26] <matchaw_> hi, has anyone seen this bug with Kmail : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294690
[04:24] <Miguelito> Hey - trying to get my dvd to work right with decryption and all but i seem to be missing something
[05:04] <lorddelta> hey um guys? Though you might like to know the wiki is being flagged as containing malware by google.
[05:04] <lorddelta> Apparently someone doesn't like you guys very much. =/
[05:06] <dnivra> hello. I running Kubuntu 12.04 on a sony vaoi vgnfw260j. My left button on my touchpad has stopped working-the right button works fine. Could someone tell me how can i make the left touchpad button work?
[05:07] <dnivra> i was here sometime back asking about this. few suggestions such as sudo Xorg -configure didn't work. i still can't use left button on touchpad.
[05:07] <dnivra> any help in fixing this would be appreciated.
[05:11] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: Did you check for any hardware issues?
[05:30] <dnivra> phoenix_firebrd: sorry got disconnected. well it stopped working right after the last update of xserver-xorg-input-evdev.
[05:31] <dnivra> it was working fine till then.
[05:31] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: does it work when using a live disk?
[05:32] <dnivra> i didn't try it out. i don't have access to one now.
[05:32] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: try this command  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:33] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: then restart and see if it works
[05:34] <dnivra> phoenix_firebrd: okay will try that.
[05:36] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: waiting
[05:41] <dnivra> phoenix_firebrd: just rebooted. i tried ~25 clicks. two random ones worked.
[05:41] <dnivra> but otherwise, it is still the same. left button still doesn't work.
[05:42] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: can you wait?
[05:42] <dnivra> sure. i'll be here.
[06:14] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: you there?
[06:14] <dnivra> yes phoenix_firebrd
[06:14] <dnivra> just creating a live CD. could only managed to get my hands on a 32bit kubuntu 11.10
[06:14] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: did you check the current xorg for any known issues?
[06:15] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: good
[06:15] <dnivra> you mean check the xorg logs?
[06:18] <dnivra> phoenix_firebrd: did you want me to check xorg logs? i forgot to add that I tried xev and it doesn't detect left click-it detects right click and scroll bar but nothing is registered for left click.
[06:22] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: what is xev? x environment variable?
[06:23] <dnivra> xev prints contents of x events.
[06:23] <dnivra> someone in this channel told me to check it out yesterday.
[06:25] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: ok. tell me when you finished checking with the live disk
[06:25] <dnivra> sure
[06:36] <dnivra> phoenix_firebrd: just booted live cd, rebooted and observed something. a small portion of the touchpad's left button works fine.
[06:36] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: is there a hardware problem?
[06:36] <dnivra> so I guess that's a hardware issue?
[06:37] <dnivra> how can I find out if there is a h/w issue?
[06:38] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: does it work with bois menu>
[06:38] <dnivra> by hardware you meant phsical device has an issue right?
[06:38] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: does it work with bios menu?
[06:39] <dnivra> well I didn't try-i've never booted the bios menu. i'll find out how to enter that and check it out.
[06:39] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: wait
[06:39] <dnivra> and when you said 'does it work', you meant that the cursor works fine right?
[06:39] <dnivra> alright. i'm going to check out the bios menu then.
[06:39] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: do you use grub menu while booting?
[06:40] <dnivra> yes I do.
[06:42] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: i dont think you can check the touchpad hardware state in bios as far as i know, try your luck
[06:43] <dnivra> okay. if I can't, should I do something in grub?
[06:44] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: no
[06:45] <dnivra> okay. let me check the bios settings then.
[06:45] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: are you new to linux?
[06:46] <dnivra> been using it for ~3 years I'd say.
[06:46] <dnivra> slightly more maybe.
[06:46] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: dont mistake me, do you have a windows install disk, vista or windows 7
[06:47] <dnivra> i have a vista recovery partition-i don't have any discs.
[06:47] <dnivra> recovery partition came along with the laptop.
[06:47] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: so you can boot into vista?
[06:48] <dnivra> no I can't-that's only a recovery partition. I've to install it but don't have space to do so :(
[06:48] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: in that case, you better take it to the store and check for any hardware defects
[06:50] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: was your touchpad working normally in 12.04 before the update?
[06:50] <dnivra> phoenix_firebrd: ah okay will do. thaks for your help! i'll get in touch with the store.
[06:50] <dnivra> it was working even after 12.04 install.
[06:51] <dnivra> xserver-xorg-input-evdev (2.7.0-0ubuntu1, 2.7.0-0ubuntu1.2) udpated messed it up I guess. i don't see any other culprit.
[06:52] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: but when using the livecd it should have worked well, its probably the hardware
[06:52] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: good luck
[06:52] <dnivra> oh yeah that is true. thanks! i'll get in touch with the guys!
[06:52] <phoenix_firebrd> dnivra: yw
[08:15] <aetoxx> When visiting https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging, I get warned for malware.
[08:18] <hateball> aetoxx: the whole wiki has been marked as malware by Google
[08:18] <hateball> for whatever reason, I'm guessing some bot-attack
[08:19] <aetoxx> hateball, a bot-attack shouldn't do that.
[08:19] <aetoxx> hateball, only if some actual content containing some virus file which is automatically executed on some platform should trigger that.
[08:20] <aetoxx> hateball, e.g. someone uploading some specially crafted content which breaks a browser.
[08:20] <hateball> Yes, that's what I meant
[08:20] <hateball> something automated that edits public wikis
[08:20] <hateball> but who knows
[08:20] <aetoxx> Is there some way to secure Kubuntu in some way?
[08:21] <aetoxx> I.e., install all kinds of kernel security patches, etc.?
[08:21] <aetoxx> Randomized stacks, etc.
[08:21] <aetoxx> Anti-libc return meaures, etc.
[08:21] <aetoxx> measures*
[08:23] <mofan> hi
[08:27] <Smurphy> aetoxx: yes - install all the updates as they come in.
[08:29] <matchaw_> hi, has anyone seen this bug with Kmail : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294690
[08:32] <aetoxx> Smurphy, and how do I know that the KDE people are not evil?
[08:33] <aetoxx> Smurphy, are there 'signoffs'?
[08:34] <noaXess> hey all
[08:36] <noaXess> in dolphin i have still the problem, that on double clicking a xml, firefox will be called.. instead of kate, which is the default: http://i.imgur.com/Zh2vq.png
[08:36] <noaXess> any idea? thought this was solved?
[08:37] <Smurphy> aetoxx: If you want to check everything - you have to review the code all by yourself. Help yourself-  the entire code is available :)
[08:37] <Smurphy> define signoffs ?
[08:37] <aetoxx> Smurphy, google: signoff site: lkml.org
[08:37] <Smurphy> noaXess: did you configure the default applications ?
[08:38] <noaXess> Smurphy: you mean, right click, open as kate, set default app.. yeas... sometimes..
[08:38] <Smurphy> aetoxx: That should definitly exist. the KDE folks are very organized.
[08:38] <Smurphy> noaXess: Nope - in system settings. (Hold on - have to find it myself first).
[08:39] <noaXess> Smurphy: check my screenshot i made
[08:39] <Smurphy> noaXess: System Settings -> Workspace Appearance and Behavior -> Default Applicatins
[08:39] <Smurphy> Could be it has priority ...
[08:39] <Smurphy> noaXess: Saw the screenshot
[08:39] <noaXess> ok
[08:40] <noaXess> Smurphy: ok.. lmc
[08:49] <ronrom> i have installed kde and login in kde but the gtk apps appear with big fonts, already tried "kcmshell4 kcmgtk" but the fonts remain the same, any help?
[08:52] <Smurphy> ronrom: System Settings -> Style - System Settings -> GTK+ Appearance - just configure it right.
[08:52] <Smurphy> I tell it to use my KDE Fonts in GTK+ aopplications.
[08:52] <ronrom> Smurphy: thats what i said, i runned "kcmshell4 kcmgtk" but the fonts remain the same
[08:53] <Smurphy> you have to log out and log in again.
[08:53] <ronrom> i did
[08:53] <Smurphy> it won't take these on the fly.
[08:53] <Smurphy> then - I have no idea...
[08:58] <noaXess> Smurphy: ok.. i'm in default apps... what you want to know? for Web browser, firefox is set to be default for http and https
[09:01] <Smurphy> What was your problem before ? Editor or Browser ?
[09:02] <noaXess> Smurphy: from dolphin, double click on a xml file, firefox will be used instead of kate
[09:03] <Smurphy> noaXess: Yes - Firefox is better at handling xml code (to view it actually).
[09:03] <noaXess> Smurphy: but i want edit it.. not vew it
[09:03] <noaXess> view ^
[09:03] <noaXess> i want, that kate will be opened if i double click a xml file
[09:05] <aetoxx> How do I install latest Kubuntu on precise?
[09:05] <Smurphy> noaXess: What does the xml file look like ? make a: file bla.xml
[09:05] <aetoxx> I mean, some kind of nightly version.
[09:06] <Smurphy> aetoxx: the last stable one or unstable ?
[09:06] <Smurphy> Got 4.8.3 here ... :)
[09:06] <noaXess> Smurphy: XML document text
[09:07] <aetoxx> Smurphy, unstable, I think.
[09:07] <Smurphy> aetoxx: unstrable is the 4.9.1 branche currently. If you are good with linux/KUbuntu - you'll know how to do it. if not - I advise you to stay with 4.8.3
[09:09] <aetoxx> Smurphy, uhm, no, because I don't know where the ppa or debs are.
[09:10] <Smurphy> noaXess: Are you sure that kate is not embedded in your browsewr  ?
[09:11] <noaXess> Smurphy: ??.. no.. there was/is a bug in dolphin i know.. but can't remember...
[09:12] <Smurphy> noaXess: Guess the bug still exists. Has the same effect here. Will use the default browser to open the file (xml) here too - even though I have emacs configured.
[09:12] <Smurphy> Guess you have to open a bug-report :)
[09:12] <noaXess> Smurphy: yes, thats what i mean ;)
[09:13] <Smurphy> aetoxx: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.4 chck this out.
[09:13] <Smurphy> 4.8.4 is out already.
[09:13] <aetoxx> Smurphy, I already have 4.8.4.
[09:14] <Smurphy> aetoxx: then check this out: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.90
[09:21] <aetoxx> Smurphy, which .kde does the beta use?
[09:27] <Smurphy> aetoxx: the .kde ...
[09:28] <aetoxx> Smurphy, I mean which settings directory does it use?
[09:32] <aetoxx> nepomuk works when you have <10,000 files to index or when you leave your kde session running for at least 5 days or so.
[09:33] <aetoxx> Even then, it occassionally crashes.
[09:33] <aetoxx> Just look at bugs.kde.org for the tons of problems that people report related to it.
[09:33] <aetoxx> Since most people login and logout and turn off their machines, the model is flawed.
[09:34] <aetoxx> This is, btw, well-known by the developers.
[09:36] <aetoxx> If I would be managing the KDE-product, I would have classified as a nice work in progress experimental tech-preview which has no place on a user's desktop and most importantly no path to any real viable implementation.
[09:37] <aetoxx> Now, anyone disagreeing with me on this is either ignorant or a developer who wants to remain relevant for something which in fact is just a bad idea.
[10:24] <lorddelta> So there's a problem with my gstreamer.
[10:27] <lorddelta> By problem, I mean big giant problem that makes it seem like my system can't play any audio files, even though this is a lie and all my audio works pat fine. Any ideas about what I can do to fix this? I've tried to create a new gstreamer configuration by deleting the registration database and regenerating it with gst-inspect, but the gstreamer validly can't find device-audio/x-vorbis, which is the cause of some of my errors
[10:27] <lorddelta> Anyone know how to fix this?
[10:27] <lorddelta> For now I've just switched backends, vlc is a pretty solid, robust interface, but I'd prefer to use gstreamer if possible...
[10:28] <lorddelta> Since it seems to be more of a defacto framework.
[10:28] <lorddelta> That and if someone/something breaks vlc I'd like to have a backup. :D
[10:53] <erm> hello
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:16] <AndChat251264> Kde is... very ugly.
[12:19] <Smurphy> AndChat251264: Go troll somewhere else ... or - if you don't like it -> Participate to make it better ...
[12:20] <AndChat251264> The window borders just see to chunky and cluttered, especially around buttons
[12:20] <ikonia> AndChat251264: do you need help ?
[12:22] <Smurphy> AndChat251264: -> themes ? Change it.
[12:22] <AndChat251264> Any way to make windows more like gnome? And is kubuntu  close to stable now?  It always crashed lots for me.
[12:23] <Smurphy> Using it all the time - didn't crash in ages ...
[12:23] <Smurphy> AndChat251264: If you want to use Gnome, why don't you use it ?
[12:23] <Smurphy> You have "that" choice under linux
[12:24]  * Smurphy never liked gnome - started with KDE on version pre 1.0 :)
[12:33] <TEldeeb> hello all,
[12:33] <TEldeeb> In ubuntu, I can remove all user settings by deleting .gnome*
[12:34] <TEldeeb> is there a similar thing in kubuntu?
[12:35] <TEldeeb> ??
[12:36] <BluesKaj> TEldeeb, that's pretty drastic , what user settings exactly  , in system setings , in user management ?
[12:37] <TEldeeb> i mean dolphin bookmarks, panels, ..
[12:38] <qbit> TEldeeb: each user in their home directory most KDE configs are stored in .kde directory, if that's what you mean
[12:38] <TEldeeb> yeah .. i'll try it ..
[12:38] <TEldeeb> thanks
[12:38] <qbit> don't have to kill the entire thing
[12:38] <qbit> for extreme testing you can just rename it and log out and back in again
[12:38] <TEldeeb> what's ".kdevduchain/"
[12:39] <TEldeeb> thanks qbit
[12:40] <qbit> but under .kde is a directory share/config, you'll find them all in there,  you can either rename or delete individual configs
[12:40] <qbit> if you delete one and log out of KDE and back in again you'll get it replaced with a default one
[12:41] <BluesKaj> i get the impression that it's the defaults that he wants to change :)
[12:42] <TEldeeb> no, i just want to get back to defaults
[12:42] <TEldeeb> i shall try
[13:08] <sean_> ello
[13:09] <sean_> hello
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hello
[14:08] <brad_> I can't get java to install. I've been trying different script from forums and whatnot but it's not happening...
[14:10] <BluesKaj> brad_, did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[14:11]  * genii-around slides BluesKaj a coffee ( or tea if you prefer )
[14:12] <BluesKaj> hey thanks genii-around , coffee is great :)
[14:12] <genii-around> Anytime :-)
[14:15] <brad_> no, I'll try
[14:21] <brad_> niiiice, it's working now, thanks
[15:41] <amar> hi all
[15:43] <amar> you are on ubununtu right
[15:43] <amar> you are on ubununtu right ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> kubuntu support here , amar
[15:43] <DarthFrog> Good morning amar.  This is the Kubuntu support channel.
[15:44] <amar> ok
[15:44] <DarthFrog> amar: If you want support for Ubuntu, please try #Ubuntu.
[15:44] <amar> no i'm using kubunutu
[15:45] <bazhang> kubuntu
[15:45] <DarthFrog> Smart lad.   And good looking, too. :-)
[15:45] <amar> it's a message from another user who made me think so
[15:47] <amar> is there a way to remove kwallet, it's boring me, i've tried apt-get remove purge, but he is not gone
[15:48] <DarthFrog> If you remove kwallet, you will be even more bothered with applications asking for passwords.
[15:49] <genii-around> I just give kwallet no password and it doesn't bug me again
[15:49] <amar> i suppressed his asking effect, but he is not gone by itself, and no it's better without him
[15:49] <amar> the big prob is with wirelless networks
[15:49] <amar> i have about a dozen with different passwords
[15:50] <amar> at the time when i used ubunutu i was good but now !
[16:20] <lordievader> Good evening
[16:23] <genii-around> lordievader: Good afternoon!
[16:26] <lordievader> genii-around: Noon has already past here, it waved his(/her?/it
[16:26] <lordievader> 's?) goodbye
[16:27] <genii-around> lordievader: I'm on GMT-4 here
[16:37] <qw[UA]> /join #help
[16:37] <qw[UA]> why i am not jiun in the channel ?
[16:37] <genii-around> use only one /
[16:37] <genii-around> Hm
[16:38] <k0s> join*
[16:39] <lordievader> qw[UA]: Not sure if this applies, but maybe you have a server commands field, if so you should try it there.
[16:46] <qw[UA]> help me please
[16:47] <qw[UA]> i joinid in russian server but i see ierogliph
[16:47] <qw[UA]> what i am use codepage ?
[16:49] <genii-around> utf8 usually
[17:13] <jithin> hi
[17:14] <genii-around> jithin: Hello. If you have some question regarding your Kubuntu, please just ask the channel in general and someone will hopefully be able to resolve it.
[17:15] <jithin> is any diary writing  application for kubuntu  ?
[17:15] <Miguelito> Hello - can someone explain how in K3B to write a DVD image? I see the RIP options but it doesnt seem to do anything
[17:16] <DarthFrog> Miguelito: Under the "Tools" menu, will be "Burn Image".
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, or right click on the image file and choose open with k3b
[17:20] <Miguelito> The Burn Image is to write to a DVD - I want to RIP the DVD and put an image on my computer
[17:21] <Miguelito> Sorry for not speaking it clearly
[17:25] <genii-around> !info almanah | Jikan
[17:26] <genii-around> Bah tab-fail
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, no need to rip the image with k3b , just copy it to your HDD
[17:26] <genii-around> Jikan: Apologies, misdirect, was for jithin but they left
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2769/ubuntu_how_to_create_iso_image_from_cd_dvd/
[17:30] <BluesKaj> genii-around, have you ever tried using dd to copy a dvd to a drive ?
[17:30] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I find something like sudo dd if=dev/sr0 of=filename.iso   usually works
[17:30] <BluesKaj> genii-around, :>)
[17:31] <genii-around> put a leading / there in front of dev/sr0 , typo ...
[17:32] <BluesKaj> yup , asamof I have used that command. I have in my CLI_Commands text file
[17:32] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: Thanks!
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, read genii-around`'s post as well , it's probly easier to use
[17:37] <bimmel> Hi, I try to connect my sshd over internet but the connections time out before any authentication takes place. The machine is directly connected and the port is opened.
[17:40] <genii-around> bimmel: <IP_ADDRESS> does not seem to be reachable
[17:40] <bimmel> thats not the ip
[17:40] <bimmel> oh well it is, it changed secs ago
[17:40] <bimmel> its port 666
[17:41] <genii-around> bimmel: Ah, OK. Interestingly, traceroute on that ip shows it is being routed through ip numbers which are reserved for private use
[17:42] <bimmel> private use of whom? its just a mobile connection
[17:42] <BluesKaj> genii-around, <IP_ADDRESS> is a generic IP ,probly a german ISP
[17:42] <bimmel> yes
[17:42] <genii-around> bimmel: traceroute results from here: http://pastebin.com/YUdYZmHe
[17:43] <genii-around> ( it just sticks on the last address forever )
[17:43] <genii-around> So it looks like some routing isssue and not some sshd issue
[17:43] <BluesKaj> genii-around, bimmel , http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=<IP_ADDRESS>&map_source=1&overview_map=1&lang=1&map_type=1&zoom_level=7
[17:43] <bimmel> thats odd
[17:44] <bimmel> it even happens when I try to connect on my wan adress from the same machine
[17:45] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I usually just do: whois <IP/FQDN>   at command-line :-)
[17:46] <bimmel> how could i resolve that? i dont use any <IP_ADDRESS> network. so it does not reach me
[17:47] <BluesKaj> yeah genii-around I use traceroute as well when the IP won't resolve on infosniper
[17:50] <BluesKaj> genii-around, whois in the terminal doesn't work here, is it part of apackage ?
[17:54] <genii-around> BluesKaj: The package is same name
[17:54] <genii-around> work, afk
[18:11] <kubuntu> .
[18:12] <BluesKaj> yes this is kubuntu , support
[18:13] <genii-around> BluesKaj: His issue looks like some network misconfiguration starting at DTAG.DE
[18:14] <genii-around> ( bimmel )
[18:15] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I didn't understand his sshd reference
[18:16] <genii-around> BluesKaj: "<bimmel> Hi, I try to connect my sshd over internet but the connections time out before any authentication takes place. The machine is directly connected and the port is opened."
[18:17] <genii-around> Was his original question... So I tried to reach port 22 on his ip, which failed... so then traceroute to see where it ends... then I discover somewhere in between is routing stuff through private IP ranges and traffic will never get to hip IP
[18:17] <genii-around> *his/her IP
[18:19] <BluesKaj> genii-around, he mentioned the port was 666
[18:20] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yes, you can make ssh daemon run on any port you want instead of 22
[18:20] <genii-around> Something higher than 1024 might have been better...
[18:28] <lordievader> Good evening
[19:15] <JoeSomebody> hi, change partition is resize? and if so is it safe? wanna cut win7 drive in half and install
[19:17] <BluesKaj> JoeSomebody, yes , how large is the partition?
[19:17] <ikonia> JoeSomebody: do it from a livecd and reduce the risk
[19:17] <lordievader> JoeSomebody: It is safe, if you have a verified backup. Also use gparted, the kde partion editor is not very great.
[19:17] <genii-around> Might also want to do a chkdsk from in windows first
[19:18] <JoeSomebody> about 500gb for some reason it says 430
[19:18] <JoeSomebody> so gparted resize bofore install is recommended?
[19:18] <ikonia> JoeSomebody: it's up to you when
[19:19] <JoeSomebody> ok will do a backup , and then gparted
[19:19] <ikonia> genii-around's tip is VERY important if you are changing ntfs
[19:19] <JoeSomebody> just wanna do whatever is best
[19:19] <JoeSomebody> yes chkdsk understood
[19:19] <lordievader> JoeSomebody: It has been my experience that the kde one hangs and not does any resizing, gparted would resize it fine. Note I am talking about an external drive.
[19:20] <BluesKaj> JoeSomebody, hope you have patience , resizing can take many hrs ...I also prefer to repartition before installing another OS ..as suggested gparted live-cd is a good  method
[19:21] <BluesKaj> heh, more advice there than enough :)
[19:21] <JoeSomebody> yeah i know it takes awhile on that size
[19:21] <JoeSomebody> acer was good they used to make a data partition on half of it was easy with those ones
[19:25] <rainer_> hi
[19:26] <lordievader> Hey rainer_ how are you?
[19:26] <Miguelito> What would be the command to show the list of devices on my system - for example /dev/sda1
[19:26] <lordievader> Miguelito: Do you mean sudo fdisk -l?
[19:26] <Miguelito> lordievader: does that show the device list?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, df -h
[19:29] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: thanks again
[19:33] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: the link you sent me to rip a dvd using the cat command returned a input/output error
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Miguelito,yes , using dd is a better method , sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=filename.iso
[19:45] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: It completed the process like in a second - i looked in the dir and it looks like the file is there - its like 850megs - is there a way to verify it?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, yes use VLC , it plays multimedia iso files
[19:46] <genii-around> !iso
[19:46] <BluesKaj> if it's amedia file
[19:46] <Miguelito> kk
[19:46] <BluesKaj> I assume it's a media , Miguelito
[19:47] <BluesKaj> media file
[19:48] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: yes it is but it did nothing when i tried to load it with VLC
[19:49] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: when i went to load it from the dvd it worked
[19:50] <genii-around> The newer DVDs sometimes use a protection scheme now where they make a track at the beginning which has nothing on it and close that off, then make a second track with the actual data on it
[19:51] <BluesKaj> 850mb doen't copy instantly , Miguelito it's probly still copying
[19:51] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: yea i know that but i havent seen any activity on dvd or hdisk
[19:52] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, do you have libdvdcss2 installed ..the dvd may ne DRM'd
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ne=be
[19:53] <BluesKaj> geni what's the workaround if the phony track is on the dvd?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> genii-around,^
[19:54] <Miguelito> yes i do
[19:54] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:56] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: im so use to windows that i wasnt reading that number as raw data - its only 847k not megs - sorrys its been like 10-12 years since working with Linux
[19:58] <Scunizi> Is there a way within Dolphin using split screen/directory to quickly move the right pane to the same directory as the left?
[20:01] <genii-around> Miguelito: Do you have more than one dvd drive?
[20:05] <Miguelito> genii-around: no sir
[20:05] <Miguelito> genii-around: it works fine - i have no problem copying - i just want to be able to write ISO's for data storage
[20:06] <BluesKaj> what kind of data Miguelito ?
[20:06] <genii-around> Miguelito: Yes, I understand. At our house we make iso files and store them on a central machine which can stream to whichever computers in the house
[20:11] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: its a  playable dvd
[20:12] <Miguelito> genii-around: not sure why i am having such a hard time :(
[20:14] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, right click on the iso, open with vlc , if you have vlc installed
[20:14] <genii-around> Miguelito: Well, you can also use k3b to make an iso.
[20:15] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: its not and ISO - its a regular DVD
[20:16] <Miguelito> genii-around: i am using k3b to copy but have not been able to get it to make the ISO - probably because im not familiar with it
[20:17] <BluesKaj> !iso
[20:18] <genii-around> Miguelito: Tools... Copy Medium...check off "Create Image" under options tab...specify a path in your home directory in the image tab
[20:18] <BluesKaj> sorry Miguelito . I misunderstood /:
[20:19] <genii-around> Miguelito: Make sure "remove image" is *NOT* checked off in the options tab
[20:19] <Miguelito> BluesKaj: np sir - thanks to both of  you for helping this rusty old linux guy out :)
[20:23] <Miguelito> genii-around: do i do a rip or a copy - i seen the check box that your talking about but that was when i was copying
[20:23] <genii-around> Miguelito: copy medium ... the first one at the top of the menu usually
[20:24] <gits1225> Some help here please. I unticked Apply colors to non-KDE4 applications from Application Appearance -> Colors and now the fonts don't look the same.
[20:25] <gits1225> I tried changing to defaults and still doesn't revert to how the fonts looked in the default install.
[20:38] <Miguelito> genii-around: BluesKaj, thank you both for your help - i am testing a burn from the ISO now - will let you but i feel confident
[20:47] <Miguelito> genii-around: BluesKaj- it was successful
[20:48] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, good to hear
[20:48] <genii-around> Miguelito: Cool.
[20:49] <Miguelito> Does any IRC client come highly recommended - currently using the default of Quassel
[20:49] <maco> i like quassel, but i use it with the "core" running on my server and a client on my desktop that connects, so i dont miss what happens when i'm offline
[20:50] <JoeSomebody> ok now it says my free area is unusable
[20:51] <JoeSomebody> after a resize
[20:51] <JoeSomebody> did chkdsk, resized under linux in another machine
[20:52] <JoeSomebody> and then put drive back in, it says my free area is unusable
[20:53] <Miguelito> maco: yea its pretty straight forward just not sure how feature rich it is
[21:00] <BluesKaj> what says it's unusable JoeSomebody ?
[21:00] <JoeSomebody> the unallocated area
[21:01] <JoeSomebody> during install
[21:03] <JoeSomebody> a different distro i tried while waiting says its "empty" kubuntu says unusable, i seen this before, don't remember ...
[21:03] <BluesKaj> joe did you try to format the unallocated partition?
[21:04] <JoeSomebody> i see the problem now toshiba has made too many partitions
[21:04] <amar> hey lamine
[21:04] <JoeSomebody> goodbye windows recovery crap
[21:04] <amar> are you there
[21:05]  * JoeSomebody hovers over the delete key ...
[21:05] <maco> Miguelito: i really like the feature where you can see whats going on in all the channels you're joined to at once
[21:09] <Miguelito> maco, i just switched to XChat
[21:10] <BluesKaj> Miguelito, i was going to mention Konversation
[21:11] <BluesKaj> maco, what feature is that ? ..altho I'm not fan of sidebars
[21:12] <maco> BluesKaj: click the checkbox in View -> Chat Monitor. it's not a sidebar. it splits the conversation pane, so all channels are up top and current channel is bottom
[21:13] <cham> hello
[21:13] <maco> BluesKaj_: did you see that?
[21:13] <maco> cham: hi
[21:16] <BluesKaj> maco, yeah , I did , only got one monitor up besides the default
[21:20] <BluesKaj> I didn't bother configuring the chat list
[21:21] <amar> is there any command help in irc
[21:22] <amar> something like --help in terminal
[21:22] <BluesKaj> amar, pls explain in more detail
[21:23] <amar> if someone is stuck or forgoot a command like /msg nickserver identify, how to make the list of command appear
[21:24] <BluesKaj> amar, /nickserv help
[21:24] <amar> thanks
[21:24] <BluesKaj> in the server textbox
[21:25] <amar> thank you blueskaj
[21:25] <BluesKaj> you're welcome amar
[21:36] <mikeeey> my laptop is overheating with kernel 3.1, is this problem solved in the kernel provided in kubuntu 12.04 ?
[21:36] <mikeeey> or in 3.4 ?
[21:37] <genii-around> mikeeey: What makes you think the overheating is related to the kernel you are running?
[21:37] <mikeeey> this is what I have read
[21:37] <mikeeey> over the past 15 minutes
[21:39] <mikeeey> it's not that I'm using a CPU / GPU intensive app, and the laptop stays cool on Windows
[21:46] <genii-around> mikeeey: There is also an opensuse channel on freenode to ask in, since that's what you're using.. #opensuse
[21:47] <mikeeey> I thought this is a well known issue on all distros
[22:32] <rportal> hi
[23:43] <f1zz3r> i know this question is too bad :X   how can i open a folder in konsole?
[23:44] <genii-around> f1zz3r: You can't really "open" them in that sense. You can list what's in them however, by: ls foldernamehere
[23:45] <f1zz3r> my problem is i cant find /home/<user>/.kde/Autostart
[23:46] <genii-around> f1zz3r: The folder .kde is hidden from ls command because it begins with a period.
[23:48] <genii-around> f1zz3r: However, it does exist. If you are in konsole, and you want to go into that directory: cd ( by itself, that puts you in home directory) , then cd .kde/Autostart
[23:48] <f1zz3r> so i do---> ls /home/<user>/.kde/Autostart???????????
[23:48] <genii-around> f1zz3r: Yes, that is another way, specifying the entire path
[23:49] <f1zz3r> but i dont want to open the folder in konsole
[23:49] <f1zz3r> i want to open the folder
[23:49] <genii-around> f1zz3r: If you cd to some directory, that means you are entering into it. Then when you do the ls command, you do not need to specify the entire path
[23:51] <f1zz3r> yah i know... i already have done ls /home/<user>/.kde/Autostart but nothing happens.. i know i am a noob but the question is how to open this in normal way
[23:52] <f1zz3r> in dolphin how can i see hiden folderS?
[23:54] <genii-around> f1zz3r: If you put another / with an asterisk after Autostart  like: ls /home/$(whoami)/.kde/Autostart/*          does it say file not found?
[23:55] <f1zz3r> ls: cannot access /home/f1zz3r/.kde/Autostart/*: No such file or directory
[23:55] <f1zz3r> :S
[23:56] <genii-around> f1zz3r: So it means that directory is empty


[00:02] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepim-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 92 * debian/ (changelog kdepim-runtime.install not-installed) * Add libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so to kdepim-runtime.install required by akonadi_nepomuk_feeder * refresh not-installed
[00:21] <BarkingFish> that reminds me, I need to set my stuff up again. I still haven't reset from the last time I reinstalled Kubuntu :)
[00:24] <BarkingFish> anyone got the link back to the wiki where all the packaging setup information was please?
[00:32] <yofel> BarkingFish: ours was https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[00:33] <BarkingFish> ah, great.  I may have made a #hash of this then, I've just followed the one from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[00:33] <BarkingFish> !whale BarkingFish
[00:34] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[00:56] <BarkingFish> yofel: you still free? I have a problem.
[00:56] <yofel> yep
[00:57] <BarkingFish> Just generated my new GPG key, and gone to send it, and the instructions I'm following are wrong.  they say to use  gpg --send-keys <key id here>
[00:57] <BarkingFish> that doesn't work, I need the URI of the keyserver in it, i think
[00:57] <yofel> ah, probably missing keyserver: --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com
[00:57] <Riddell> you need to set gpg config first
[00:58] <BarkingFish> done, yofel, thanks
[00:59] <yofel> hm, actually Riddell's right...
[00:59]  * yofel sets keyserver in his gpg.conf after 4 years of using ubuntu ^^
[01:13] <BarkingFish> excellent, well I'm almost done, just setting up a pbuilder-dist for precise, and then I'll be finished :)
[01:24] <Riddell> yofel: how did you install precise?
[01:24] <yofel> upgrade
[01:25] <Riddell> ok I think we still need the installer fixed
[02:21] <ScottK> debfx: You can test kdeplasma-addons now.
[02:44] <claydoh> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/liba/libalkimia/libalkimia_4.3.1-1/changelog
[02:44] <claydoh> funny place to find my name...
[08:41] <debfx> ScottK: still have to wait until marble is published
[09:45] <who_me> hello, does the menu editor work for you guys in 4.8. beta 2 ?
[10:29] <debfx> who_me: you need to install kmenuedit
[10:30] <debfx> will be fixed in the next kde-workspace upload
[10:30] <who_me> indeed I had to and i did :)
[10:30] <who_me> thought I was alone in here.
[10:44] <Quintasan_> Good morning
[10:45] <Quintasan_> More like good afternoon, but whatever :P
[10:45] <Quintasan> Haven't slept so well in like ages
[10:46] <Quintasan> Oh right, new GPG key
[10:46]  * Quintasan adds that for todo
[11:12] <Riddell> what's with the floodbots in #kubuntu?
[11:13] <Quintasan> jussi: ^
[11:13] <Quintasan> Beats me
[11:16] <Riddell> ScottK: new pyqt and sip if you're into packaging those
[11:17] <Riddell> adds QtDBus so support for dbus in python 3
[11:19] <Riddell> gosh there's a PyQtMobility
[11:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: I've got basic packaging for simon listens if I did not delete it by accident
[11:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: have you got it to work?
[11:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: AFAIR something it the buildsystem was broken, will look into it later tomorow
[11:21] <Quintasan> or right now since noone from #launchpad is replying
[11:26] <ScottK> Riddell: I can look at them.
[11:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: Oh god, debian/copyright will be a hell
[12:03] <ScottK> debfx: marble is done too.
[12:15] <Quintasan> !file qaudio.h
[12:15] <Quintasan> !package qaudio.h
[12:15] <Quintasan> durr
[12:16] <Quintasan> !search qaudio.h
[12:25] <Quintasan> Riddell, ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/779742 <-- any ideas fro qaudio.h? qtmobility-dev is not the package I want
[12:25] <Quintasan> for*
[12:29] <ScottK> Quintasan: Why is that not the package you want?
[12:29] <Quintasan> Since it still fails to discover the file
[12:29] <ScottK> It may be the package you want, but the CMake is broken.
[12:30] <Quintasan> It is possible
[12:30] <yofel_> it doesn't even look for it in cmake
[12:30] <yofel_> the build just fails...
[12:30] <ScottK> Since that's the only qaudio.h we've got, I'd explore broken build system.
[12:40] <Quintasan> Urgh.
[12:41] <Quintasan> yofel: Any idea how to fix it?
[12:42] <yofel> not really, does the #include and search path match with the file's location?
[12:44] <Quintasan> include_directories( ${KDE4_INCLUDES} ${QT_INCLUDES} ../)
[12:44] <Quintasan> Shouldn't that do the trick?
[12:44] <Quintasan> Unless Qt Mobility has another variable
[12:45] <ScottK> I'm guessing https://launchpadlibrarian.net/87214047/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.kwave_0.8.6-1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz should be ~easy for any of you C++ programmers out there (e.g. not me).
[13:03] <Quintasan> yofel: Seems like QT_INCLUDES doesnt contain /usr/include/QtMobility/ not /usr/include/QtMultimediaKit
[13:04] <yofel> fun -.-
[13:04] <Quintasan> Nonetheless I get a lot of undefined references when I supply those paths by hand
[13:06]  * Quintasan gives up for time being
[13:07] <Quintasan> !package qtmobility-dev precise
[13:07] <Quintasan> kubotu: ping
[13:07] <kubotu> pong
[13:07] <Quintasan> kubotu: !package precise qtmobility-dev
[13:07] <Quintasan> !info qtmobility-dev
[13:08] <Quintasan> bloody hell
[13:08] <Quintasan> !info qtmobility-dev precise
[13:08] <Quintasan> needs update
[13:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: you can just manually add the directory to include_directories() as a patch
[13:22] <Riddell> or you can make apachelogger happy and port it to phonon :)
[13:29] <Quintasan> Riddell, I did but still a shitload of undefined references, either we have old qtmobility in precise ( I doubt it ) or simon 0.3.0 was released depending on unreleased qtmobility
[13:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: so it finds the header but the header misses values?
[13:30] <Quintasan> It finds the header if I modify the CMakeLists.txt
[13:30] <Quintasan> so that needs fixing too
[13:31] <Quintasan> I would be happier if I could find a cmake variable for QtMobility because I used hardpath now
[13:36] <Riddell> cmake-gui could help
[13:36] <Riddell> but if it's not already available I think it would need a new cmake file
[13:37] <Riddell> it's fine for us just to hard code it and report it upstream
[13:37] <Riddell> if not entirely satisfactory to upstream :)
[13:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: pastebin the current error?
[13:38] <Quintasan> deleted the log :/
[13:38] <Riddell> did you take a note of what it was missing?
[13:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't think you can do much, it's like almost half of the includes is missing
[13:39] <Riddell> ask upstream what version of qtmobility it expects then I guess
[13:39] <Quintasan> Will do
[13:39]  * Quintasan goes off to help his mother
[14:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the new Pyqt4 needs python-dbus stuff that's not released yet for python3 support.
[14:40] <ScottK> Riddell: New sip4 is uploaded to Debian.
[15:53] <Riddell> ScottK: surely the point of the new PyQt4 is it doesn't need python-dbus since it wraps QtDBus
[15:54] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[15:54] <ScottK> Could be.
[15:55] <ScottK> So maybe I buffaloed Barry into doing a python-dbus port to python3 for nothing ....
[15:55] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: I already told him that PyQt would be doing something with QtDBus at UDS
[15:56] <ScottK> OK.
[15:56] <Riddell> ScottK: has PyQt for python 3 been looked into ever?
[15:56] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:56] <ScottK> The packaging in Debian is ~done.
[15:57] <ScottK> It should be uploaded in the next day or two (without dbus)
[16:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:43] <_Groo_> im a hero :D http://www.asinen.org/2011/12/my-heroes-of-kde-2011/
[16:46] <Riddell> what's your superpower?
[16:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: im a super commiter :D
[16:50] <_Groo_> btw, im having spikes all day long of virtuoso-t... he goes 100% cpu, and down, up and down
[16:50] <_Groo_> anyone else seeing this in 4.7.90?
[16:51] <_Groo_> according to the stats i did 20% of all the work this year
[16:59] <debfx> ScottK: kdeplasma-addons upload
[16:59] <debfx> ScottK: have you already upstreamed the gwenview fix?
[16:59] <ScottK> debfx: Excellent.
[16:59] <ScottK> I emailed it to agateau but it's not committed yet.
[16:59] <ScottK> If you've got commit rights, please do.
[16:59] <ScottK> (I'm pretty sure he's on vacation)
[17:02] <ScottK> debfx: You should have looked in bzr before uploading ...
[17:02] <debfx> yeah, I noticed too late
[17:02] <ScottK> Not a big deal though.
[17:02] <ScottK> No worries.
[17:03] <letrec> would it be possible to backport polkit-qt-1 0.103.0+ into 11.10?
[17:03] <who_me> now, why would kmix need 1GB of RAM ?
[17:03] <letrec> it seems to fix quite annoying memory leak bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934#c43
[17:07] <ScottK> letrec: If you can find out what change in polkit-qt-1 fixed the problem, we can surely get that in.
[17:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: is this ok? Soprano: "Invalid argument (1)": "Cannot set values for abstract property 'http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nco#hasEmailAddress'."
[17:32] <_Groo_> 4.7.90
[17:32] <_Groo_> maybe some other file is missing from kdepim?
[17:35] <Riddell> _Groo_: I don't know the context
[17:36] <_Groo_> nepomuk is making virtuoso have spikes of 100% even though aparently its all indexed
[17:37] <_Groo_> i removed nepomuk folder from .kde/share/apps, and when he recreated the db he warner about this semantic context missing
[17:37] <Riddell> that seems like a fair thing to warn about
[17:38] <_Groo_> no no
[17:38] <_Groo_> when he recreates them
[17:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/780053/
[17:40] <_Groo_> after i recreated nepomuk db, virtuoso appears to have quietted down.. lets see if it still spikes to 100% after a while
[17:40] <_Groo_> indexing is done acording to nepomuk
[17:47] <rbelem> _Groo_, i'm not seeing issues with virtuoso here, only kmixer.
[17:47] <Riddell> kmixer is broken for me too
[17:47] <Riddell> yofel said it was good from neon
[17:48] <_Groo_> its a bug between kmix and pulseaudio
[17:48] <_Groo_> kmix will behave with "normal" sound
[17:49] <_Groo_> like clementine or amarok
[17:49] <_Groo_> run a flash trailer on youtube and see kmix go 100%
[17:49] <_Groo_> kill kmix, restart it, all is well
[17:49] <_Groo_> some stupid bug with pipes and pulseaudio if i can just shoot in the dark
[17:50] <_Groo_> maybe they fixed it in 4.7.95?
[17:50] <_Groo_> anyone working on it btw?
[17:51] <_Groo_> hum, virtuoso-t is spiking again
[17:51] <_Groo_> damn
[17:51] <_Groo_> very strange
[17:51] <_Groo_> goes up to 100% cpu, almost 1g ram, then he just goes back to idle and normal 100M memory
[17:59] <ScottK> I think Riddell is working on 4.7.95.  I hope so, anyway.
[18:01] <_Groo_> ScottK: sorry i dropped, did you say something just a min ago?
[18:02] <ScottK> [12:59:04] <ScottK> I think Riddell is working on 4.7.95.  I hope so, anyway.
[18:02] <_Groo_> ScottK: ah ok
[18:02] <_Groo_> i might be able to help this weekend if he needs minions
[18:03] <letrec> ScottK: I'm not sure, but maybe it's https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/polkit-qt-1/repository/revisions/d3c337da01f3887da031fdb5c2ac784fb3e79210 the one
[18:04] <ScottK> letrec: Can you build a patched package and see if that fixes it (I'm getting ready to leave town today, so no time).
[18:04] <ScottK> I agree it looks promising.
[18:05] <ScottK> _Groo_: Perhaps you could assist letrec in building a patched polkit-qt-1 to see if he's found the right commit for his memory leak?
[18:06] <maco> letrec: do you get confused with lautrec often?
[18:06] <_Groo_> ScottK: what needs assistance? isnt it better just to pull from git master? instead of cherrypicking git commits?
[18:06] <_Groo_> ScottK: those are 2 questions btw
[18:06] <ScottK> _Groo_: He wants to fix it in oneiric.
[18:07] <_Groo_> ScottK: i know
[18:07] <_Groo_> ScottK: what i mean is
[18:07] <ScottK> So we don't normally backport full releases outside KDE SC.
[18:07] <_Groo_> ScottK: from a release manager point of you, backporting a secure package > then just patching a older package
[18:07] <ScottK> I don't know how much experience he's had, so he may need some guidance and i've got no time to help today.
[18:07] <_Groo_> ScottK: but sure, i can test it
[18:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: np, ill be here for 2 and half more hours
[18:08] <ScottK> Usually we prefer minimal diffs for specific issues post-release.
[18:08] <_Groo_> but i dont have access to dput commits.. im behind a proxy
[18:08] <_Groo_> so i can only help in theory
[18:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: yeah i know
[18:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: im all for it, but when it cames to polkit.. well... security frameworks are better to upgrade at full or left alone
[18:09] <ScottK> Perhaps.
[18:09] <_Groo_> ScottK: that patch might fix it in master but misbehave when ported to older code
[18:09] <ScottK> Except in this case, I know the current release was a consequence of people yelling about bugs, not a careful plan.
[18:09] <micahg> _Groo_: I would tend to disagree if the fix is targeted, security frameworks can have weird effects on things that use them
[18:10] <ScottK> Which is why you don't blindly apply the patch and go, you do have to look at the code.
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> That polkit-qt-1 patch has already been applied as a fix for the polkit-kde-1 crash on logout
[18:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: yeah, i agree again :) im looking at it
[18:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:10] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: so its there already?
[18:10] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: or only for kde part?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> yup: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/polkit-qt-1/0.99.0-3ubuntu0.1
[18:11] <ScottK> Sure enough.
[18:11] <ScottK> I even did that update and I didn't recognize the patch.
[18:11] <ScottK> Meh.
[18:11] <_Groo_> so letrec bug is somewthing else?
[18:11] <ScottK> letrec: Make sure you've got oneiric-updates enabled and you're up to date.
[18:12] <_Groo_> btw a question about the new secret code
[18:13] <_Groo_> is it complementary to the current kwallet.. aka is a plugin that works along with "normal" wallet
[18:13] <_Groo_> or a backend replacement
[18:13] <_Groo_> meaning all your passwords and such doesnt get reused
[18:13] <ScottK> AIUI it's all new.  I don't think there's any migration code yet, but it's not used by default yet either.
[18:15] <_Groo_> ScottK: yes i know, what i mean is, you cant use both right? you need to choose secrets or default. its a compilation option? or a checkbox?
[18:15] <ScottK> It's not clear to me that all the bits are in 4.7.95 to even build it.
[18:16] <ScottK> IIRC it's build kdelibs without it, build it, then build kdelibs again.
[18:16] <ScottK> In the distro we can't have that.
[18:18] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not currently working on 4.7.95 and I think mine and jesus' birthday will prevent me doing so for the next couple of days at least
[18:19] <_Groo_> Riddell: happy birthday then :D
[18:19] <_Groo_> Riddell: i can start something going if i have the time sunday
[18:19] <_Groo_> next week ill have days from 30 to 2
[18:22] <_Groo_> kmix bug is annoying
[19:05] <_Groo_> interesting
[19:05] <_Groo_> if you remove kmixrc* and .kde/share/apps/kmix, kmix now will segfault instead of going 100%
[19:06] <_Groo_> after its running and pulse changes a song for ex
[19:06] <_Groo_> staying with veromix (which i always use) till this is fixed
[19:08] <ScottK> Can you get a backtrace from the segfault and report the bug upstream?
[19:09] <yofel> o/
[19:10] <Riddell> _Groo_: compile kmix from master first, it may well be fixed
[19:10] <ScottK> Holy undiscoverable feature Batman!  ctrl and click on the reload button in Firefox duplicates the current tab (one of the things I'd been missing).
[19:11] <ScottK> yofel: Can you start on 4.7.95?
[19:11] <_Groo_> Riddell: isnt it easier to ask yofel who runs neon (master)?
[19:11] <yofel> yep, I'm on vacation since today
[19:11] <_Groo_> yofel: jelly
[19:11] <yofel> _Groo_: my crash is kde bug  285017  and that is fixed
[19:11] <yofel> at least it doesn't crash with the binary from neon
[19:12] <_Groo_> yofel: i think Riddell is talking about the 100% cpu spike that kmix is doing in 4/7/90
[19:12] <_Groo_> 4.7.90
[19:12] <Riddell> yofel: just ask if you need ec2 machines
[19:12] <ScottK> yofel: That would be lovely since Riddell and are are each occupied with two of three important birthdays in the next week.
[19:13] <yofel> Riddell: nah, I have up to 3 systems I can use here for building
[19:14] <yofel> _Groo_: haven't seen that either yet with the new bin, but it happened pretty rarely and random with 4.7.90
[19:14] <_Groo_> yofel: here its happening a lot, more with flash streams and such
[19:15] <_Groo_> prolly fixed in 4.7.95
[19:15] <_Groo_> yofel: count me in for bug testing the packages :D
[19:15] <_Groo_> yofel: are you going to uload them to ninja?
[19:15] <yofel> yeah
[19:17] <_Groo_> yofel: k, ill keep an eye for the goods
[19:44] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 25 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump kde-sc-dev-latest to 4.7.95
[19:53] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 90 * debian/changelog New upstream release release candidate
[19:53] <yofel> oops
[19:54] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 90 * debian/changelog New upstream release candidate
[20:09] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 392 * debian/ (changelog kdelibs5-data.install) * New upstream release candidate - update kdelibs5-data.install
[20:25] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release candidate - drop fix_segfault_in_generator_on_armel.diff, fixed upstream - refresh version_cppparser_library.diff
[20:32] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 26 * debian/rules actually bump all values
[20:39] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 14 * debian/changelog New upstream release candidate
[20:50] <yofel> _Groo_: btw, I just stubled over kde bug 288675
[21:16] <who_me> pk, good news is kmix managed to crash :) bad news is that installing kdemultimedia-dbg only gives me a two stars quality backtrace
[21:16] <who_me> ok*
[21:20] <yofel> and there goes kmix (100 cpu)...
[21:20] <who_me> ah, needed libpulse0-dbg
[21:20] <who_me> yofel: does it also leak memory like crazy ?
[21:22] <yofel> hm, didn't notice anything there, and I just killed it
[21:22] <who_me> :D
[21:25] <_Groo_> who_me: yes it does, goes to more then 1GB
[21:26] <who_me> bah, it seems that bugs 288675 and 289682 need to be merged, both report two sides of the same problem
[21:26] <who_me> silly ubottu
[21:26] <yofel> you need to prepend kde
[21:26] <yofel> kde bug 288675
[21:27] <yofel> kde bug 289682
[21:27] <yofel> the crash should be kde bug 285017 as long as it's pulse related
[21:27] <who_me> just happy it managed to crash and I actually got a good backtrace from it
[21:29] <who_me> and another one, lol
[21:29] <who_me> I think it crashes as songs in amarok change
[21:33] <who_me> yep
[21:44] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/ (changelog control kde-wallpapers.install) * New upstream release candidate. - update kde-wallpapers.install
[21:44] <yofel> we got new wallpapers :D
[21:48] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Philip Muškovac * 155 * debian/ (5 files) * New upstream release candidate - update kdepimlibs5-dev.install
[21:58] <yofel> hm...
[21:59]  * yofel doesn't get how kde-symbolshelper handles bumping of X-Debian-ABI
[22:00] <yofel> in the analitza buildlog I have a huge diff because the symbols are named differently now due to the bump, but updating the symbol files does nothing...
[22:01] <Riddell> yofel: you have to change the name of the package
[22:02] <Riddell> libanalitza1api1 or the like
[22:02] <yofel> well, you did that already
[22:02] <Riddell> just make a new symbols file
[22:02] <Riddell> it's a new package after all
[22:02] <Riddell> yofel: did you update which allpaper is in kde-wallpapers.install ?
[22:03] <Riddell> I read there's a new default
[22:03] <yofel> hm..... I updated .install, but didn't change the default one - I'll have to check which one that is
[22:06] <Riddell> that setting is hidden somewhere in plasma
[22:06] <Riddell> "Uninstall" posted it
[22:09] <Riddell> hmm Davide Bettio posted on facebook but didn't give a name
[22:09] <Riddell> "KDE 4.8 default wallpapers preview." oh plural, maybe they haven't chosen a single default yet
[22:13] <Riddell> yofel: Ariya? http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1269254
[22:13] <yofel> Ariya certainly had the most resolutions
[22:14] <Riddell> I wonder if we'll need to update the plasma config file again
[22:15] <Riddell> the user one
[22:15] <yofel> if we remove the current default wallpaper from the package we probably will
[22:16] <Riddell> yeah
[22:17] <Riddell> new wallpaper looks purpley, I knew I made the right choice back in feisty time :)
[22:18]  * Riddell looks at the kdevelop patch
[22:20] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/ (4 files) * New upstream release candidate * Fix symbol files to match the previous ABI bump
[22:29] <sheytan> Riddell can you send a link to previews?
[22:29] <Riddell> sheytan: of the wallpaper?
[22:29] <sheytan> Riddell yep
[22:29] <Riddell> websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kde-wallpapers/Ariya/contents/images/800x600.png?revision=1269254&pathrev=1269254
[22:30] <yofel> workspace got a kdm theme for Ariya, so Ariya it is then
[22:30] <sheytan> This is not as nice as the others wallpapers ;(
[22:30] <sheytan> but no one uses default so its ok
[22:31] <Riddell> lots of files needing moved and lots of replaces/breaks then
[22:31] <yofel> not as much
[22:31] <Riddell> I use the default wallpaper!
[22:31] <yofel> kde-wallpapers breaks kde-wallpapers-default and kdewallpapers (artwork) breaks kde-wallpapers
[22:31] <Riddell> yofel: and KDM and ksplash files?
[22:32] <yofel> I'm not at workspace yet, just did a quick grep so far
[22:32] <sheytan> Riddell so you one of the few :)
[22:33] <yofel> Horos was nice as default, Ariya certainly isn't
[22:33] <Riddell> ach people always say that about the new one
[22:34] <Riddell> I thought Horos was too Fedora-colours.  blue and black
[22:35] <yofel> well, Ariya feels more like what we had before that (Ethais?) - too plain for me
[22:36] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 20 * debian/ (4 files) Switch default wallpaper to Ariya and make kde-wallpapers break/replace kde-wallpapers-default << 4:4.7.95
[22:46] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 2 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release candidate
[23:09] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/ (8 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release candidate * Enable DebianABIManager and bump ABI of libokularcore1
[23:17] <Riddell> aww man and I just got kdevelop buildings against okular again
[23:29] <yofel> ^^
[23:35] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog libkactivities-dev.install) update libkactivities-dev.install
[23:53] <Riddell> ooh I'm nearly old


[01:48] <wrst> binarymutant: hey yeah I know about linus...
[01:55] <wrst> binarymutant: here are some screenshots http://wesleystout.no-ip.org/gnome3-2.png http://wesleystout.no-ip.org/gnome-3-2-2.png
[01:56] <wrst> I don't have it tweaked much just a different shell theme and background and that's a stock gnome background
[01:56] <binarymutant> wrst: the panel is on the side in gnome3 too?
[01:56]  * Unit193 hopes that's not "Twlight" on the side
[01:56] <Unit193> twilight rather
[01:57] <wrst> yes its on the side but only when you use it most of the time its not seen
[01:57] <wrst> twilight as in the movie???
[01:57] <Unit193> wrst: Yep, quassel window ;)
[01:57] <binarymutant> I had a hard time with the panel on the side, it kept popping up whenever I was doing anything
[01:57] <binarymutant> looks good though
[01:58] <wrst> never pops up binarymutant unless you hover in the hot corner on the activites or hit the super key
[01:58] <binarymutant> ah
[01:58] <binarymutant> my side panel experience was with unity
[01:59] <wrst> yeah well gnome 3 is light years ahead of unity
[01:59]  * wrst does not intend to start a flame war
[01:59] <binarymutant> that's cool
[02:00] <wrst> i would have loved to seen ubuntu put their twist on gnome shell vs going off reservation
[02:02] <wrst> ohh Unit193 i'm finally gettting the twilight that's twil = this week in linux :)
[02:02] <binarymutant> I think it had something to do with gnome's not-so benevelant dictatorship
[02:02]  * wrst is slow
[02:02] <wrst> binarymutant: yes well ubuntu has a little of that in them too so probalby destined to happen :)
[02:02] <Unit193> That also might have taken some looking :P
[02:02] <wrst> ha ha
[02:02] <binarymutant> :D
[02:03] <wrst> but binarymutant i'm perfectly happy with gnome 3 its slick looking, modern and performs well
[02:03] <wrst> i would love to have a tablet device running it
[02:03] <binarymutant> it does look very sleek
[02:04] <binarymutant> first time i've seen it
[02:05] <wrst> takes a little getting used to and some of the defaults are stupid, but for a more or less 1.0 release of something its good
[02:05] <wrst> and much better than kde 4.0 was by a long shot
[02:05] <binarymutant> I don't think I ever saw kde4 either
[02:05] <binarymutant> just heard about it
[02:06] <wrst> its very good now binarymutant, but at the 4.0 release it was bad
[02:06] <wrst> now its very solid
[02:06] <wrst> i just like gnome better
[02:06] <binarymutant> ah
[02:06] <wrst> but both are good
[02:06] <binarymutant> does kde have side panel or still bottom?
[02:07] <binarymutant> bottom*
[02:07] <binarymutant> kde looks more like windows
[02:20] <wrst> binarymutant: yeah kde did windows 7 before windows 7 did it
[02:20] <binarymutant> lol
[02:21] <wrst> but its highly customizable where gnome-shell not as much
[02:23]  * Unit193 knows someone else on Arch that updated Gnome3
[02:25] <wrst> wow another arch user!
[02:25] <Unit193> On a few Ubuntu channels too ;)
[02:27] <wrst> that seems to be a progression some take from ubuntu to arch
[02:28]  * binarymutant finds that progression a little strange
[02:28] <binarymutant> should be ubuntu<->debian
[02:29] <Unit193> Now playing: "Carol Of The Bells" by "August Burns Red (Holiday)" on "Lost Messengers: The  Outtakes" <3
[02:29] <wrst> binarymutant: yeah i think its the oldness of packages in debian and also, arch i think is a little simpler than debian to learn
[02:29] <Unit193> Sorry, but I like this one
[02:30] <Unit193> Arch is more likly to break
[02:30] <binarymutant> wrst: unstable is where it's at
[02:30] <Unit193> But has all the new stuff
[02:30] <wrst> Unit193: never had arch to break
[02:30] <binarymutant> aur?
[02:31] <wrst> and binarymutant i tried testing still can't get gnome-shell, so moved to unstable and still no gnome-3 some dependency issue
[02:31] <wrst> binarymutant: certainly use the AUR
[02:32] <binarymutant> eh? that's not cool
[02:32] <wrst> yeah binarymutant so i wasn't too happy and the "unstabled" gnome 3 is like 3.0.something when 3.2 is out in the wild
[02:34] <binarymutant> huh it's still in experimental
[02:34] <binarymutant> 3.0.2
[02:35] <wrst> yeah thats it i had to add the experimental repo, that's the trouble
[02:35] <wrst> anyway not worth the hassle
[02:36] <binarymutant> there must be an rc bug on it or something from keeping it out of unstable, that's weird
[02:37] <binarymutant> :/
[02:38] <wrst> yeah not worth worrying with when I can get what i want with no hassle
[02:38] <binarymutant> wrst: very understandable
[02:48] <wrst> yeah, oh well, good night binarymutant think i'm heading out
[02:48] <wrst> see you later Unit193
[02:48] <Unit193> Good night mate
[12:21] <wrst> wb binarymutant
[12:26] <binarymutant> ty ty
[12:26] <wrst> how are you doing binarymutant?
[12:27] <binarymutant> good & you?
[12:27] <wrst> doing well binarymutant, have a good weekend?
[12:27] <binarymutant> it had it's ups&downs
[12:50] <wrst> mine had lots of sleep I think
[12:50] <binarymutant> lol
[12:53] <binarymutant> wish mine did
[12:53] <binarymutant> mine started out with a lot of nicotine and ended up cold turkey
[12:54] <wrst> oh goodness binarymutant that is rough, I know a guy that quit smoking and used the patches and had good luck
[12:54] <binarymutant> (although I can't get it out of my head, so I might break down and buy)
[12:54] <binarymutant> wrst: that might be a good idea
[12:54] <binarymutant> patches and/or gum
[12:55] <binarymutant> anything really
[12:55] <wrst> yeah his doctor told him to use them longer than suggested and a few other things to help him out
[12:55] <binarymutant> cold turkey isn't very fun :/
[12:56] <binarymutant> aren't those patches like 30$ though?
[12:56] <wrst> no and probably not for those around you :)
[12:56] <wrst> i have no clue binarymutant never smoked
[12:56] <binarymutant> :P
[12:56] <binarymutant> I think they're expensive
[12:56] <wrst> probably so
[13:33] <xpistos> hey all
[13:33] <wrst> howdy xpistos
[13:47] <cyberanger> wrst: even if they're 30 bucks, those patches work (compare that to WinDOS)
[13:50] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[13:54]  * cyberanger checks his watch, rattles it about
[13:54] <cyberanger> morning wrst
[13:54]  * cyberanger starts humming "on the road again"
[13:56] <wrst> where you on the road to today cyberanger? if you can let go of that info
[13:57] <cyberanger> top secret bunker #53, undisclosed location between Maryville, TN & Deals Gap, NC
[13:57] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[13:58] <cyberanger>   D'Oh
[14:36] <binarymu1ant> grrrr
[14:36] <binarymu1ant> brb
[14:44] <wrst> binarymutant: back to stay? :)
[14:46] <binarymutant> no I'm getting some bad xorg artifacts
[14:47] <binarymutant> restarting X again, sorry
[14:48] <binarymutant> so weird
[14:48] <binarymutant> but good now
[14:49] <wrst> ha ha
[14:49] <binarymutant> I set some Xft option in my .Xresources and it left really nasty artifacts all over my screen
[14:50] <binarymutant> but Xft is fonts o_0
[14:51] <wrst> way over my head binarymutant x is a mystery to me
[14:51] <binarymutant> sometimes it confuses the **** out of me
[14:53] <binarymutant> I guess Xft is like a layer over X, idk why else it would leave artifacts
[14:54] <wrst> beats me i just rejoiced when xorg.conf was no longer required for most things :)
[14:54] <binarymutant> lol
[14:55] <binarymutant> auto xorg.conf is pretty cool, took a long time to get used to though
[14:55] <wrst> didn't me binarymutant
[14:55] <wrst> now for my desktop using nvidia it uses xorg.conf, but nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig take care of all that for me
[14:55] <binarymutant> ya
[14:56] <binarymutant> I don't even think that those apps write xorg
[14:56] <binarymutant> .conf
[14:56] <wrst> and with my intel laptop its all down through the gnome display settings and that is the nicest thing, but not near the control nvidia-settings gives
[14:56] <wrst> binarymutant: the nividia stuff does write to and you can hack it if you need to
[14:57] <binarymutant> I use nvidia-settings but still don't have the .conf, it's weird
[14:57] <binarymutant> very automagick
[14:58] <wrst> hmm well, i use dual monitors don't know if that is it, or if i have been doing nvidia-xconfig and don't need to possibly?
[14:59] <binarymutant> ah, it's prolly the dual monitors that need to write it
[14:59] <binarymutant> wrst: do you do 2 different screens or the one giant xinerama screen?
[14:59] <wrst> twinview
[15:00] <binarymutant> that's the 2 seperate?
[15:00] <wrst> yes
[15:00] <wrst> but not seperate x-sessions on each screen
[15:00] <wrst> so on the left i have my gnome panel and all that jazz and on the right hand its wide open real estate
[15:00] <binarymutant> pretty cool
[15:01] <binarymutant> that's what I was doing when I had dual monitors, the one giant screen wasn't very good for games
[15:02] <wrst> no and I have to shut down one screen for games now it gets thins confused sometimes
[15:03] <binarymutant> dual is cool though
[15:03] <binarymutant> if your monitors are different sizes, moving the app into the middle of them looked really weird I remember that about xinerama
[15:04] <wrst> yeah and mine are different sizes and different resolutions, right hand is 16:10 left hand 16:9
[15:04] <binarymutant> those are huge monitors ! :D
[15:05] <wrst> nah not really one is a 19" the other is 21"
[15:05] <wrst> that's just so so by todays standards
[15:05] <binarymutant> must be a really good video card then
[15:06] <wrst> yaeh decent actually have two and running sli, but with linux you can't sli on two monitors that is disappointing or you couldn't maybe you can now
[15:07] <binarymutant> dunno, never had the hardware to do sli
[15:08] <binarymutant> sli is like parrellel video cards?
[15:08] <wrst> yeah you pretty much put the power of two cards into one output
[15:08] <wrst> you can use dual monitors in winders with sli enabled
[15:09] <binarymutant> I bet sli makes gaming super detailed
[15:10] <binarymutant> I can't even remember what that's called... parallel computing...
[15:13] <binarymutant> *cluster* duh
[15:13]  * binarymutant had to look it up
[15:16] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm not for sure never got to use it!
[15:17] <wrst> on sli, i have on windows and it improves thigns but i have lower end cards
[15:17] <binarymutant> maybe games just aren't written for parallel gpu's yet :/
[15:18] <binarymutant> it'll be forever until I get cards that I could that, I just now got a laptop with 2 processors in it lol
[15:19] <wrst> yeah I am generally on the blunt edge of technology
[15:19] <wrst> just can't afford cutting or bleeding edge
[15:19] <binarymutant> I'm on 10 years ago tech :P
[15:20] <binarymutant> not any edge, the handle lol
[15:20] <wrst> that can be painful :)
[15:21] <binarymutant> it's fun though, I get better speeds than most people with brand new computers :D
[15:21] <binarymutant> no bloat lol
[15:21] <wrst> haha
[15:21] <wrst> what are you running exactly binarymutant?
[15:22] <binarymutant> this laptop is a Latitude D630
[15:22] <xpistos> That is a solid laptop
[15:22] <wrst> yes
[15:22] <wrst> i meant os/desktop
[15:23] <binarymutant> yeah it is, it rocks
[15:23] <binarymutant> my desktop is a .. hng on
[15:24] <binarymutant> optiplex dimension 4700, but it's not used as a desktop anymore
[15:24] <binarymutant> it's just a file server these days
[15:25] <wrst> yeah those aren't bad machiens either think my moms computer maybe one of those actually
[15:25] <binarymutant> Linux on everything (of course)
[15:25] <wrst> of course, ubuntu?
[15:25] <binarymutant> debian/ubuntu yeah
[15:25] <wrst> cool
[15:26] <binarymutant> I don't switch distros like I did 10 years ago anymore, Debian is my work horse and if I need newer app versions I just compile it myself
[15:26] <xpistos> lol my old dimension 4400 is my files server too
[15:27] <binarymutant> lol but they do the job really well
[15:28] <binarymutant> no need to get a new one yet
[15:28] <binarymutant> maybe the next decade :P
[15:54] <xpistos> Still here?
[15:55] <binarymutant> of course :D
[15:56] <binarymutant> idk why my network kicks me off so much
[16:03] <binarymutant> now I must kill ppl [in UrbanTerror]
[16:16] <wrst> have fun binarymutant :)
[17:29] <binarymutant> and back
[17:30] <binarymutant> intense
[17:31] <binarymutant> whoa bitbucket does git now? that's pretty cool! github doesn't do hg yet lol
[18:19] <wrst> wb... again... binarymutant :P
[19:07] <xpistos> Am I falling out of this chair?
[19:12] <wrst> no you are not
[19:34] <cyberanger> xpistos: lookss wobbly, maybe
[19:37] <wrst> greetings cyberanger
[19:39] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[19:39] <wrst> how are you doing cyberanger?
[19:40] <xpistos> back
[19:40] <xpistos> wrst: fyi, my arch install ... humming
[19:40] <cyberanger> wrst: well, lets just say it's simplier driving alone
[19:41] <xpistos> flying down the pike with icewm installed
[19:42] <wrst> cool xpistos, it really flies if you set it up to :)
[19:42] <wrst> cyberanger: amen!
[19:43] <cyberanger> only three people in the car, and I've got 4 opinions on where to go, irritating
[19:43] <cyberanger> only one should matter, the driver
[19:43] <xpistos> cyberanger: I got two words for you
[19:43] <xpistos> Ejector
[19:43] <xpistos> Seats
[19:44] <wrst> ha ha xpistos
[19:45] <cyberanger> xpistos: well, considering who the passengers are, and the owner of the car, I've got one work
[19:45] <cyberanger> backfire
[19:45] <cyberanger> ejecting your folks from your mom's car, not wise
[19:46] <cyberanger> i did actually consider chucking the gps out the window, but settled for shutting it up by disabling the route
[19:48] <cyberanger> I reseaarch where i'm going for twice as long as driving it takes, plan alternate routes
[19:48] <cyberanger> consider detours, construction
[19:49] <cyberanger> that gps doesn't factor that and can get confused as to what road your on, if there is a parellel road
[19:49] <cyberanger> not to metion the map software is 5 years old
[19:51] <cyberanger> on topp of that, they didn't want me driving in cinniniti, but this route bypasses it, only 5 miles of ohio between indina & kentuckey
[19:52]  * cyberanger notices my typing is real off, between bumpy road& this small keyboard, and not running spell check attm
[19:54] <cyberanger> wrst: so yeah, good, next year I go solo and leave the nag-a-tron at home
[19:55] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
oh wait, I don't own a nag-a-tron, wonder why</scarsam>
[19:58] <cyberanger> I learned a long time ago what a nuicense these trips can be, hence why in june 2010 I outfitted with celluar internet to offset the annoyances
[20:02]  * cyberanger has nothing against GPS, satnav however, it's just one more distraction
[20:02] <pace_t_zulu> binarymutant: "Bitbucket now rocks Git"
[21:21] <binarymutant> ya I got the email, pretty nifty
[21:21] <binarymutant> brb
[21:33] <binarymutant> pace_t_zulu: github doesn't do mercurial, so it's a +1 for bitbucket atm
[21:35] <binarymutant> ok idk what's going on with irc, I got logged off while playing UrT but in game stayed online... weird :/
[21:43] <binarymutant> bitbucket should go ahead and do every version control software, it shouldn't be too hard
[22:16] <Unit193> Well, I'm sure you could guess what I made to eat :P


[22:29] <wallyworld> thumper: i added a video call to the meeting
[22:29] <wallyworld> we'll project you
[22:29] <thumper> oh awesome
[22:29] <wallyworld> also created a shared doc
[22:30] <thumper> wallyworld: I'm in the call
[23:49] <stokachu> is the tenant-id for azure no longer required?
[23:49] <stokachu> Unable to create model: ERROR finalizing "conjure-azure-517" credential for cloud "azure": unknown key "tenant-id"


[00:05] <Jordan_U> !plymouth
[00:05] <Jordan_U> !no plymouth is <reply> Plymouth is an application that runs very early in the boot process (even before the root filesystem is mounted!) that provides a graphical boot animation while the boot process happens in the background. To change your Plymouth theme use « sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth && sudo update-initramfs -u »
[03:25] <dank101> lol
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> Hi all, i have a sugestion for a new trigger for #ubuntu
[03:26] <IdleOne> lotuspsychje: just a moment please
[03:26] <IdleOne> dank101: what is so funny?
[03:26] <dank101> IdleOne, a chan of Ops
[03:26] <IdleOne> was that all you wanted to do, waste time?
[03:26] <dank101> i'll shut up now
[03:26] <IdleOne> Please part this channel unless you have business here.
[03:27] <IdleOne> lotuspsychje: How can I help you :)
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> i was thinking of a trigger the same way !info does for packages
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> but more to help new users
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !install packagename | username
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> so the bot would username: sudo apt-get install packagename
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> (if this system not already exist)
[03:30] <IdleOne> I'm not sure if that would be a good idea or not. How would it be better than telling the user yourself?
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> maybe speed and ease
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> its just an idea
[03:31] <IdleOne> something to look into
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx for listening
[03:31] <IdleOne> Thanks for the suggestion.
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> np!
[11:52] <Myrtti> I clearly need to spend less time on IRC when I find it offensive that a person that I've given advice on #lubuntu comes to #ubuntu to confirm what I've told them
[11:52] <Myrtti> I clearly care way too much
[12:02] <bazhang> or care
[12:03] <bazhang> bumscum was telling people to reinstall, pull hw, and other grand advice
[12:43] <k1l> Quest: when will you take this channel out of autoconnect?
[14:03] <Quest> k1l,  cant help. gone through every config. please ban me here
[14:07] <Myrtti> it's Xchat
[14:55] <Tm_T> if you cannot stop autojoins with your client, I recommend switching the client
[14:59] <Myrtti> Quest: I'm 100% sure you can remove the channel from autojoin in xchat
[15:02] <Quest> Myrtti,  i never feeded it in any list
[16:00] <bazhang> edit server Ubuntu servers auto join list delete #ubuntu , save
[16:01] <bazhang> augh
 fede be careful, he was able to reset your user
[16:30] <bazhang> unless I'm missing it, he's talking about dr_willis
[16:32] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu betrayd] (~jazz@pool-96-231-61-67.washdc.fios.verizon.net): jazz   giving out various false "warning" "beware" counter-advice
[17:25] <ettesto> Hello
[17:26] <bazhang> hi
[17:26] <ettesto> Nick Parhs is sending disturbing unwanted private messages in #ubuntu
[17:26] <ettesto> Parhs from #ubuntu
[17:29] <IdleOne> ettesto: Can you PM the message to me please
[17:30] <ettesto> IdleOne:
[17:30] <ettesto> Sure
[17:36] <bazhang> brilliant
[17:36] <IdleOne> what?
[17:36] <bazhang> betrayd's nonsense "support" and c0mputer still found the answer
 c0mputer: isn't that like blood on a tshirt, where you're trying to get the stain off with the right detergent, when theres a more pressing problem at hand
[17:37] <bazhang> ubottu random much
[17:37] <bazhang> hehe
[17:39] <IdleOne> heh
[18:09] <bazhang> ubuntu one has a windows version?
[18:09] <LjL> yes
[18:09] <bazhang> zomg
[18:10] <Tm_T> it did have windows mobile thingy for syncing contacts too
[18:10] <bazhang> goos-fraba...
[18:10] <LjL> bazhang: for a while the ubuntu.com homepage was like GET UBUNTU ONE FOR WINDOWS NOW                                                                                ([tiny font] Download Ubuntu)
[18:10] <Tm_T> didn't work that well, but I haven't seen well-working solution for that anyway
[18:11] <bazhang> LjL, thanks for the nightmare image
[18:11] <Myrtti> why wouldn't it have a Windows version?
[18:11] <bazhang> it's "ubuntu" one?
[18:12] <bazhang> bug #1
[18:12] <bazhang> that changed quite a bit
[18:12] <Myrtti> what has that have to do with the fact that interoperability between operating systems is an excellent way of making sure customers are happy with a product?
[18:12] <bazhang> formerly there was a reference to a mental facility
[18:13] <Myrtti> shock horror, even people who use Ubuntu might need to use Windows from time to time
[18:13] <Myrtti> I have the beta Mac client on the living room Mac Mini so I can get my CV latex files on that too easily
[18:14] <DJones> This was the email I received in November 2010 re Ubuntu One windows client http://privatepaste.com/694060b267
[18:14] <bazhang> thats sensible, but then killing wubi at the same time?
[18:14] <Myrtti> the issues aren't even on the same planet
[18:15] <bazhang> the reports of wubi's demise are exaggerated
[18:15] <bazhang> still found on 13.04 iso
[18:15] <Tm_T> bazhang: U1 Windows client has been around since... 200something
[18:16] <bazhang> Tm_T, thats good to know
[18:16] <Tm_T> pretty much from the beginning
[18:16] <Tm_T> also I love Android client
[18:16] <Myrtti> I can't even
[18:17] <bazhang> I use go-mtpfs for that
[18:17] <Unit193> It's not been pushed into Debian yet, sooo.
[18:17] <bazhang> hehe
[18:18] <bazhang> never mind me... I just got +v in #defocus
[18:30] <bazhang> 11
[18:34] <Myrtti> bazhang: may I ask what's your opinion about Dropbox or Spideroak having a Linux client?
[18:36] <bazhang> Myrtti, not sure, why
[18:36] <Myrtti> because there's more business sense in Ubuntu One having a Windows client than there is in Dropbox having a Linux client
[18:37] <Myrtti> business and customer care sense
[18:37] <IdleOne> Ubuntu One was only named that to try and capitalise on the Ubuntu brand. From the start it was always intended to be a for profit product.
[18:38] <bazhang> Myrtti, yes, so I made a single comment about ubuntu one and windows version
[18:38] <Tm_T> I rather see Ubuntu brand used as a bridge than a barier (:
[18:38] <Tm_T> barrier even
[18:38] <IdleOne> They could have called it Canonical One but then they would have had to rename the plane
[18:38] <IdleOne> or start doing cargo transport
[18:39] <IdleOne> ;)
[19:07] <Jordan_U> DJones: Just a reminder that, unless you remove the ban floodbot added, JAF2801 won't be able to speak after rejoining via webchat (and won't be able to join from a normal client).
[19:07] <DJones> Cheers, didn't realise that
[19:10] <DJones> ON the other hand...
[19:10] <DJones> 20:10 <  JAF2801> YOu know, I have ways of making you unban me
[19:10] <DJones> 20:10 <  JAF2801> I have developed freenode
[19:10] <DJones> via pm
[19:11] <Tm_T> love is in the air
[19:11] <IdleOne> DJones: I sense 1337 hax0r
[19:11] <Myrtti> Every sight and every sound...
[19:12] <DJones> I smell something that belongs in a farmyard...
[19:12] <IdleOne> The real question is
[19:12] <IdleOne> Can you smell what the ROCK is cooking!?
[19:13] <Myrtti> is he cooking it on his George Foreman?
[19:13] <DJones> Nope, but a Real American will smack his ass down :)
[19:13] <IdleOne> haha
[19:13] <DJones> Although, how many real americans wear yellow tank tops & have a tache
[19:14]  * Tm_T huggles all
[19:14] <Myrtti> are you mistaking him for Hulk Hogan now?
[19:16] <DJones> Well, Idleone/Hulk Hogan, its an easy mistake to make
[19:16] <IdleOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guG9cVs3ms4
[19:16] <DJones> Personally, I prefered the hart foundation or the ultimate warrior
[19:29] <Jordan_U> That was fun.
[19:31] <DJones> Won't take them long to come back, after all, they developed freenode
[19:33] <Unit193> Quest: <+bazhang> edit server Ubuntu servers auto join list delete #ubuntu , save    also you could try grep ubuntu-ops ~/.xchat2/* -R
[19:34] <bazhang> whoops delete #ubuntu-ops in that instance
[19:34] <Quest> done
[19:34] <Quest> hope not to see you here again
[19:35] <bazhang> you will need to logout and back in for that to take effect
[19:35] <Quest> ok
[19:35] <Quest> should i leave?
[19:35] <bazhang> ok
 please ban Parhs.  He just PM'd me a pornographic spam image
[19:46] <bazhang> thats the second report on him
[19:47] <IdleOne> done
[19:49] <DJones> And we have JAF2801 asking for a cloak #f
[19:49] <Fuchs> what is wrong with him?
[19:50] <k1l> alot
[19:50] <Fuchs> be more verbose please
[19:50] <IdleOne> he wants the cloak so he can try to evade a ban in #ubuntu
[19:50] <DJones> Fuchs: 20:10 <  JAF2801> YOu know, I have ways of making you unban me
[19:50] <Fuchs> that is more verbose, thank you
[19:50] <DJones> That was via pm
[19:51] <DJones> Fuchs: You should know them anyway -> 20:10 <  JAF2801> I have developed freenode
[19:52] <DJones> Maybe they want a freenode/staff cloak :)
[19:52] <bazhang> hehe
[19:52] <Fuchs> k1l: also just as a minor sidenote: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ch/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html   ;)
[19:53] <LjL> i allot a lot of time to read about alot
[19:54] <Unit193> Fuchs: \o/  I wanted to hit !alot but I (almost) never do!
[19:54] <funkyHat> alot ⡈)
[19:54] <Fuchs> I wasn't aware that there is a factoid, and I hate bots ;)
[19:55] <Fuchs> anyway, the cloak was denied, as you probably have noticed.
[19:58] <Unit193> Fuchs: Understandable, the factoid also links to http://www.arixystix.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/alotmonster03.jpg but sadly not my favorite: http://i.imgur.com/7M4Xz.jpg
[19:59] <Fuchs> <3
 thenoob, you weren't expecting Ubuntu people to ever fix anything, were you?
[20:35] <bazhang> heh
[20:35] <bazhang> got him in PM
[20:35] <bazhang> he wants #ubuntu to be shut down, or at least have the topic changed
[20:35] <bazhang> invariant> "We can barely make it boot ourselves, but perhaps we can help".
[20:36] <bazhang> I forgot to ask if he was using wubi
 I don't use evolution uninstall that will also get rid of ubuntu unity
[20:59] <bazhang> I saw no sign of evolution in 13.04 fresh install
 Does it take a long time because USC has to ask Amazon and Canonical's other ad partners if it's okay?
[21:50] <bazhang> <troll detected>
[21:58] <Myrtti> please take some time looking at your bans and quiets, I have a feeling there's quite a few that could be removed, for example some banforwards to this channel
[21:59] <Myrtti> I removed some of old banforwards to ##fyc


[02:01] <gene6482> I would like to report a fix to an open bug report, that has fixed my issue, I was told this would be the place to share that.
[02:01] <gene6482> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/136469
[02:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136469 in linux-source-2.6.22 "toshiba p100 series dsdt acpi error no sound, works with acpi turned off." [Medium,Triaged]
[02:02] <thomas_newbie__> where do I find help with setting up honeypots?
[03:00] <r11t> can I download the kernel source for ubuntu gutsy via apt-get?
[03:01] <crimsun> apt-get source linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[03:01] <r11t> thank u crimsun :)
[06:16] <jiver> Anyone knows if the SATA disk shutdown issue got fixed in newer kernels?
[06:16] <jiver> Newer than 2.6.18
[06:57] <jiver> whoever is awake
[07:47] <bullgard4> Is it true that the interrupt handler XT-PIC-XT is obsolete? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/158397/)
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158397 in update-manager "[Ubuntu 7.10] dmesg: "serial8250: too much work for irq11"" [Undecided,New]
[08:22] <kraut> moin
[11:43] <ln-> is there anyone here who is in any way involved with Ubuntu kernel development?
[11:44] <fabbione> ln-: they will be around in a few hours
[11:44] <maks_> fabbione: lurking to catch you
[11:44] <maks_> do you know of the newer gcc klibc sparc troubles
[11:45] <maks_> i got it to compile again but it seems to segfault..
[11:45] <fabbione> maks_: nope?
[11:45] <fabbione> maks_: i haven't been working on sparc for a bit now.. is that hardy or debian?
[11:45] <maks_> debian sid
[11:46] <fabbione> nope.. haven't been playing with debian sparc in ages
[11:46] <maks_> i haven't seen yet a sync to hardy
[11:46] <maks_> but it will hit soon i guess
[11:46] <fabbione> maks_: we are all in the East Coast area these days
[11:46] <fabbione> there will be almost no sync activity for this week
[11:48] <maks_> http://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc&m=119427098411110&w=2
[11:48] <maks_> http://bugs.debian.org/399724
[11:49] <maks_> i'm pondering to switch back to gcc 4.0 for sparc
[11:50] <fabbione> no we are switching to gcc-4.2
[11:50] <maks_> well if you know of a fix i'd be happy to hear fabbione :)
[11:51] <fabbione> maks_: as i just said i didn't poke sparc in a bit
[11:51] <maks_> ah ok
[11:51] <fabbione> it will need to wait next week that I am back home
[11:51] <fabbione> and switching gcc because of code bugs is not the right solution
[11:51] <fabbione> better to get stuff fixed properly
[11:52] <maks_> trave11er is also gone, leaves allmost no sparc porters :P
[11:52] <fabbione> where did he vanished?
[11:52] <maks_> rl
[11:52] <fabbione> he used to be very active
[11:52] <fabbione> rl?
[11:52] <maks_> exhausting job afaik
[11:53] <fabbione> oh rl = real life
[11:53] <fabbione> sorry i am barely awake and trying to code a fix for qdiskd :)
[11:53] <fabbione> anyway don't worry
[11:54] <fabbione> we will fix it at some point
[11:54] <fabbione> no panic you need to
[11:56] <maks_> cool, if i'd come up with something i'd let you
[11:56] <maks_> know
[11:56] <fabbione> ok
[11:56] <fabbione> keep me posted
[11:57] <fabbione> but i won't be able to look at it before next week
[11:57] <fabbione> i am just too far away from my machines :)
[11:57] <fabbione> and latency here is killing my nerves
[11:58] <maks_> sure thanks
[11:59] <fabbione> np
[13:23] <manchicken> So is this the right place to come with possible bugs with acpi handling?
[13:43] <ln-> manchicken: i don't know if this is the right place for anything.
[13:44] <manchicken> ln-: Fair enough.
[13:44] <manchicken> heh
[13:44] <manchicken> I'm now looking at this from the gnome-power-manager angle.
[13:44] <manchicken> I'm wondering if it may be bug #145131
[13:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145131 in gnome-power-manager "[Gutsy] Screen constantly flashing while g-p-m is running" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145131
[13:46] <manchicken> Okay, no, my /var/log/acpid doesn't look anything like that.
[13:53] <manchicken> Okay, I just reported bug #160467.  I'm updating it with more info.
[13:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160467 in acpid "acpid reports insteresting messages as my screen is constantly blanked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160467