[06:26] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:26] <tuggy1> anyone still putting .rm files online needs to be shot
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:26] <rolfzor> twice
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> yea, rm sucks
[06:27] <Dko> Heh hi again ^^;  Umm im trying to install TinyFugue and when I ./config it get this:  checking for gcc... no checking for cc... no.  configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH.  Might I ask what I have to do about this?
[06:27] <kergan> then shot once more
[06:27] <tuggy1> OMG video files in mozilla!!!
[06:27] <tuggy1> hehe
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[06:27] <calamari> Dko: you did install gcc, right?
[06:27] <tar`> Good night!
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> kergan, then fed to the bugblatter beast of traal
[06:27] <kergan> yep
[06:27] <kergan> lol
[06:27] <adbak> g'night,m tar`
[06:27] <Blackwell> you mean helix doesn't require you to hand over your first, second and third born to real software? way to go, real, we are so proud of you. :)
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:28] <kergan> i love that radio program and books and movies
[06:29] <kergan> Blackwell,  dont we all
[06:29] <tuggy1> anyway to control the movies in mozplugger?
[06:29] <kergan> 15 mil ppl hitting on e company and it got out of businness
[06:29] <kergan> nope
[06:30] <Blackwell> kergan: real software is out of business? yay team! now let's move on to sco.
[06:30] <kergan> lol
[06:30] <kergan> and netware
[06:30] <tuggy1> so I cant fast forward through this SUPER CRAP XXX state of the union trailer
[06:30] <kergan> ttoo
[06:30] <Dko> Could someone help me with my  TinyFugue install problem?
[06:30] <tuggy1> NOOOOO!!!!!!
[06:31] <Blackwell> Dko: hm. is that software in any way related to the "brainf*ck" programming language?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, let me find out what mine does now... it did have the controls
[06:31] <tuggy1> when the star of a movie doesnt come back for the sequal you know its bad (specially when they replace them with ICE T)
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> the mplayer file... let me find it
[06:31] <Dko> Oo
[06:32] <Dko> Blackwell: If you being serious. I have no clue.
[06:32] <Blackwell> Dko: half serious. that language actually exists. :)
[06:33] <lostmonk> dear god allmighty
[06:33] <Dko> lol intresting
[06:33] <tuggy1> is that what they write windows in?
[06:33] <lostmonk> this is ridiculous
[06:33] <Blackwell> tuggy1: some call c and c++ that kind of language, i guess.
[06:33] <tuggy1> cause when ever I use it I feel like im getting "brainf******"
[06:33] <rolfzor> Dko: have you installed build-essential?
[06:33] <lostmonk> couldnt retrieve bsdmainutils. This may be due to a network problem or a bad cd.
[06:33] <Blackwell> there are a few others like that. invented to be as horrible as possible.
[06:34] <Dko> I don't think I have.  Cause I havn't heard of that beffore
[06:34] <lostmonk> now, when it come to the network config part right in the begginning
[06:34] <rolfzor> omg
[06:34] <lostmonk> it says it cant find a network
[06:34] <Dko> <--- hates being a linux newb ><
[06:34] <lostmonk> asks if i wanna set it up static or something
[06:34] <lostmonk> i just byapss the step, could that be the problem?
[06:35] <rolfzor> Dko: install it through synaptic and try again
[06:35] <kergan> how is you net configured in win
[06:35] <lostmonk> i have no clue
[06:35] <kergan> go look
[06:35] <lostmonk> it just does it all automatically
[06:35] <lostmonk> what am i looking for?
[06:35] <kergan> if it uses static routing or dhcp
[06:35] <ChrisC_> Can you all recommend a stable IRC client for someone (me) who uses IRC like once a month but is scared by XChat?  I currently uses Mozilla's Chatzilla on Windows.
[06:36] <tuggy1> hmmm I need for programs open
[06:36] <Dko> rolfzor: Alright.  Just let me see if I can find
[06:36] <lostmonk> dhcp
[06:36] <kergan> hmm it might not reconize your nic card then
[06:36] <lostmonk> i have a garbage integrated nic
[06:36] <bob2> ChrisC_: you can use chatzilla on linux
[06:36] <rolfzor> ChrisC_: chatzilla runs on linux too
[06:36] <bob2> ChrisC_: what scares you about xchat?
[06:36] <kergan> lostmonk,  then thats wot it is
[06:37] <kergan> lostmonk, do you have a 3com laying arount
[06:37] <ChrisC_> Hmmm, I installed Mozilla but the CZ button isn't there ...
[06:37] <lostmonk> nope
[06:37] <lostmonk> i have no extra stuff
[06:37] <bob2> lostmonk: did your cd burn correctly?
[06:37] <kergan> lostmonk,  any network card
[06:37] <lostmonk> dunno
[06:37] <lostmonk> i had an error at a different part than last time, so i dunno
[06:37] <kergan> bob2 it worked just says cant find network
[06:37] <rolfzor> ChrisC_: you have to install the mozilla-chatzilla package
[06:38] <bob2> kergan: that's not answering my question :)
[06:38] <ChrisC_> Aha!
[06:38] <kergan> lostmonk,  it is a good burn this time
[06:38] <ChrisC_> I should be back in a minute with a different client :)
[06:38] <lostmonk> i dunno
[06:38] <tuggy1> what are some good program recommendations for stealing files? I mean sharing files
[06:38] <kergan> bob2,  it worked casue it errors out at the network setup part of the install
[06:38] <Dko> rolfzor: Yes that worked.  Thanks ^^
[06:38] <lostmonk> id assume it was
[06:38] <tuggy1> like with gnutella or edonky
[06:39] <lostmonk> i burned at half the speed as the 1st time
[06:39] <bob2> kergan: no, that doesn't mean the cd is ok
[06:39] <bob2> kergan: that's a sign that the cd is *not* ok
[06:39] <rolfzor> Dko: np
[06:39] <kergan> bob2,  not in my expereance
[06:39] <kergan> but ok
[06:39] <bob2> lostmonk: can you run the "check cd" step?
[06:39] <rolfzor> tuggy1: nicotine is great for music
[06:39] <rolfzor> (its a soulseek client)
[06:39] <lostmonk> is there a way to see if my hardware just is not supported?
[06:39] <lostmonk> lemme check
[06:39] <ChrisC_> tada!
[06:40] <lostmonk> not that i see
[06:40] <tuggy1> thanks rolf
[06:40] <tuggy1> any others?
[06:40] <lostmonk> its nero
[06:41] <adbak> lostmonk: check out http://www.linuxcompatible.org
[06:41] <ChrisC_> I apoligize in advance for the n00b questions I'm about to ask.  I know unix systems (work in QNX all day long) but need help getting my bearings in my new Ubuntu installation ...
[06:41] <ChrisC_> s/apoligize/apologize
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:41] <ChrisC_> I have a basic Ubuntu Warty install ...
[06:42] <ChrisC_> Recommend a CPU/memory status tracker?  Like something that resides at the bottom of the screen somewhere.  Ubuntu approved, of course.
[06:42] <lostmonk> as long as its green, its compatible, right?
[06:42] <bob2> ChrisC_: gnome has a system monitor applet
[06:42] <bob2> ChrisC_: right click on the panel -> add applet -> system monitor
[06:42] <adbak> chrisc_: gdesklets?
[06:43] <kergan> gkrellm is a far sepior systom monter
[06:43] <bob2> and takes up far more space and cpu
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> true, on both counts
[06:43] <tuggy1> OH NO!!   I tried ...
[06:44] <kergan> anyware
[06:44] <bob2> anywhere on the bare panel
[06:45] <bob2> ie not on another applet
[06:45] <tuggy1> beed more apps running
[06:45] <ChrisC_> hmmm, mozilla buttons in the way, must learn how to size those ...
[06:45] <tuggy1> I want to know if my swap partition works
[06:45] <adbak> the grey bars at the top and bottom of the screen
[06:46] <tuggy1> damn linux and it s good memory managment and non resource hogging applications
[06:46] <kergan> lol
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, if you are logged in then it is working
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:46] <kergan> i have 516mbs of ram and i havent even tuched my swap yet
[06:46] <ChrisC_> OK, still lost ... "bare panel" ... oh CHRIST you meant the thing at the TOP of the screen.  I was clicking around the taskbar at the bottom ...
[06:46] <tuggy1> I have never had anything more to swap yet
[06:46] <kergan> i have even made my swap 128mgs
[06:47] <ChrisC_> bingo!
[06:47] <lostmonk> should i try to get like a barebones install of linux first or somthing?
[06:47] <tuggy1> I have a gig for swap
[06:47] <bob2> ChrisC_: that is also a panel, but it doesn't have any free space
[06:47] <adbak> lostmonk: have you tried to do the default install?
[06:48] <lostmonk> what do you mean?
[06:48] <tuggy1> 12 windows open so far... no slow down!! this thing must be broken, its missing the bullettime application load features of windows
[06:48] <ChrisC_> hmmm, as soon as I installed the System Monitor panel, the mouse got jumpy
[06:48] <adbak> what are you trying to install/configure?
[06:48] <ChrisC_> removed it -> mouse smooth again
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> tuggy1, if you add the mplayerplug-in with mozplugger installed you get the controls in the mozilla player window
[06:48] <lostmonk> i restart with the cd in
[06:48] <lostmonk> and it never gets past base install
[06:48] <bob2> lostmonk: have you checked the cd burnt correctly yet?
[06:48] <tuggy1> mplayerplug-in?
[06:48] <lostmonk> ive reburnt it once already
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:49] <calamari> tuggy1: what's sad is that this 333MHz machine should be capable of that.. but linux is paintfully slow on it.
[06:49] <adbak> is your cd-drive reliable?  i had trouble installing ubuntu on this comp but that was due to a faulty cd-drive
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> calamari, did you mod hdparm?
[06:49] <bob2> lostmonk: no, that's not the same
[06:49] <lostmonk> never had issues with it before
[06:49] <bob2> lostmonk: check that the CD burnt correctly
[06:49] <lostmonk> how?
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> to speed up the HD access speeds
[06:49] <calamari> nomasteryoda: dunno.. not sure what that means :)
[06:49] <bob2> lostmonk: select 'check cd' from the installer menu
[06:49] <calamari> oh
[06:49] <bob2> or use md5sum on it
[06:50] <tuggy1> why wont this computer slow down!!!!
[06:50] <lostmonk> installer menu on the cd?
[06:50] <ChrisC_> hmm, it's the network component of the System panel that causes the jumpy mouse.  I wonder if that's a warning of network trouble (brand new install)
[06:50] <bob2> tuggy1: chill dude
[06:50] <tuggy1> 246mb of ram used
[06:50] <tuggy1> sorry
[06:50] <adbak> lostmonk: try installing ubuntu again, but instead of hitting enter after your computer boots up, type 'custom-expert'
[06:51] <lostmonk> ok
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> look at this article... http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/14/166253&tid=89
[06:51] <lostmonk> then what?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> for hdparm
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> er, the url that is
[06:51] <calamari> nomasteryoda: thanks, I appreciate that :)
[06:51] <adbak> then you'll have a list of options that you can use to check the cd or install various parts of ubuntu
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, look at sudo lspci
[06:51] <lostmonk> ah, ok
[06:52] <lostmonk> sudo what?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci   - lspci lists pci hw
[06:52] <tuggy1> I should get a screen shot of this when Im done
[06:52] <lostmonk> and what with the md5sum thing am i looking for?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> that the md5 matches for the iso
[06:53] <lostmonk> dunno how
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> nero has that option too... pretty sure of that
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> i have done it, but since i have used k3b for the past year, i have forgotten windows junk ...hehe
[06:53] <kergan> ya me too
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> k3b is the kde cdburning app
[06:54] <tuggy1> heheI opened all off the standard ubuntu apps that are installed normally
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> calamari, if you mod the hdparm, first do the dma option then if it is stable, try something more daring
[06:54] <lostmonk> i have old nero soo
[06:54] <kergan> with minimal kde crap installed
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:54] <tuggy1> only using 381mb of ram
[06:55] <mroth> hmm.. im using 700mb running only xchat, thunderbird, firefox, gaim, and some terminal windows
[06:55] <tuggy1> wow mroth... youve got to be kidding
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, look here
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> http://www.fastsum.com/press/md5-hash.php
[06:55] <mroth> according to resource monitor anyhow
[06:55] <ChrisC_> OK, next n00b question:  when I do some action requiring root, what governs whether I get a password prompt for that action?  It seems to be remembering the root password sometimes (i.e. no PW prompt)
[06:55] <tuggy1> are you compiling in the background?
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> that should get you going on a windows burn
[06:56] <mroth> what are your stats coming from/
[06:56] <mroth> nope
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> and free
[06:56] <tuggy1> from gnomes system monitor
[06:56] <mroth> maybe it uses more because I have more total
[06:56] <mroth> (2gb installed)
[06:56] <CheatersRealm> ChrisC_, if you su to root, then you just need the password when suing, then you are root.  if you use sudo then it remembers it and sometimes it just doesn't require a password (at least it can be set up that way)
[06:56] <tuggy1> yeah I only have a gig installed
[06:56] <mroth> firefox has a VM size of 120MB :/
[06:57] <mroth> haha wtf trashapplet has a vm size of 27.3mb
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, ChrisC_ also note the option to open a root terminal
[06:57] <tuggy1> how many tasks running?
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> which requires only entering sudo password once
[06:57] <tuggy1> I have 143
[06:57] <adbak> ChrisC_: or you can always use the root terminal: Applications -> Sys Tools -> Root Termina
[06:57] <mroth> why on earth does an icon of a trashcan need 30 megs of ram
[06:57] <ChrisC_> let me do a test to see if I can come up with a testcase to illustrate what I mean ...
[06:58] <kergan> i have 150 running and still only takeing  2/3 of my ram
[06:58] <mroth> 90 tasks total
[06:58] <CheatersRealm> I am really considering running ubuntu
[06:58] <tuggy1> yeah my trash take 24mb
[06:58] <tuggy1> kergan how much ram?
[06:58] <kergan> 516
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, Ubuntu rocks
[06:58] <tuggy1> I have every gnome game launched right now :)
[06:58] <ChrisC_> adbak: actually, that's what's driving my question:  why don't I get a root PW prompt when I try to open a root terminal (it just opens)?
[06:58] <CheatersRealm> nomasteryoda, I figured I might get that response here :)
[06:58] <cryptomatt> i get this error right at the boot process saying that VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda6.
[06:58] <tuggy1> chris there is no root
[06:59] <tuggy1> it uses gksudo
[06:59] <cryptomatt> this is because its an reiserfs
[06:59] <bur[n] er_> cryptomatt: do you even use ext3?
[06:59] <tuggy1> so it asks for your password
[06:59] <cryptomatt> no i dont
[06:59] <bur[n] er_> well there you go ;)
[06:59] <ChrisC_> tuggy1: I know :) so what do you want to call the root terminal :)
[06:59] <cryptomatt> how can i prevent it from trying to read a ext3
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, if you used sudo within 5 min then it acutally keeps your status as "sudo"
[06:59] <cryptomatt> i mean it just slows up my boot
[06:59] <lostmonk> nomasteryoda, how do i use that?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> the checker?
[06:59] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: aha!  first prize!
[06:59] <cryptomatt> burber: ??
[06:59] <lostmonk> yeah
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[06:59] <CheatersRealm> what is ubuntu's package management system's name?
[07:00] <tuggy1> umm it should be called the sudo terminal
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> apt
[07:00] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: synaptic?
[07:00] <adbak> CheatersRealm: apt
[07:00] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: is that configured somewhere?
[07:00] <CheatersRealm> aight, thx
[07:00] <tuggy1> but it is in full root use mode
[07:00] <adbak> CheatersRealm: APT - Advanced Package Management
[07:00] <cryptomatt> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda6.
[07:00] <cryptomatt> VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev hda6.
[07:00] <tuggy1> am I the only one here that has a root file manager?
[07:00] <cryptomatt> it tries ext3, then it tries ext2 then settles for reiserfs
[07:00] <cryptomatt> how can i make sure it just tries reiserfs upfront
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> the sudo timeout?
[07:01] <tuggy1> crypt, they talked about this on the forums
[07:01] <tuggy1> search there
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, just download and install the program on windows ...
[07:01] <CheatersRealm> adbak, I know what APT is, maybe not what it stands for, but over the past few years, I've learned the power of the google
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> then check the iso md5sum
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> with it
[07:01] <CheatersRealm> :)
[07:01] <cryptomatt> tuggy1: i will try that
[07:02] <bur[n] er_> cryptomatt: if you find out... enlighten me ;)
[07:02] <adbak> CheatersRealm: don't forget http://www.apt-get.org
[07:02] <ChrisC_> OK, next question, this one's a bit tougher and longer to ask ...
[07:02] <bur[n] er_> i'm curious as well
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> bur[n] er, about?
[07:02] <ChrisC_> I want to just test out the 3D performance of my new machine (my first one wiht any kind of 3D hardware) ...
[07:02] <bur[n] er_> nomasteryoda: about the ext3 vfs error on boot when using reiser
[07:02] <ChrisC_> I downloaded the doom3-demo but it won't run ...
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, what kind of card, memory, etc
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> nvidia is generally the best out there
[07:03] <tuggy1> chris have you tried glxgears
[07:03] <CheatersRealm> ChrisC_, can you run glxgears?
[07:03] <ChrisC_> I installed the nvidia drivers and it goes to X but then falls to a lower resolution version of my desktop with mouse frozen in upper left corner; Ctrl-Alt-Backspace recovers
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> i have 256mb and it runs well
[07:03] <tuggy1> to make sure you got 3d
[07:03] <cryptomatt> burner: i think it has to do with the boot image.. i think this particular boot image assumes a ext based FS.. settles for reiserfs eventually.. perhaps kernel will need to b recompiled?
[07:04] <ChrisC_> glxgears:  glad to, synaptic?
[07:04] <tuggy1> nope
[07:04] <tuggy1> just type it into a term
[07:04] <ChrisC_> running now!
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> what's it's fps?
[07:04] <tuggy1> how many fps?
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> if it bumped back to lower res, then nvidia is not running... you get a splashscreen for nvidia then the login
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> haha tuggy1
[07:04] <tuggy1> lol
[07:04] <ChrisC_> where does it display the fps
[07:04] <CheatersRealm> I think back in the terminal
[07:05] <tuggy1> in the term window
[07:05] <tuggy1> damn
[07:05] <nu-unxsaintaant_> hey
[07:05] <ChrisC_> oh, yeah ... 1300 fps
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, some of the screensavers are GL, so they can also display fps
[07:05] <ChrisC_> 2000
[07:05] <tuggy1> thats not bad
[07:05] <CheatersRealm> ok, does ubuntu have redhat-like config scripts for the services like apache?
[07:05] <ChrisC_> MSI FX5700LE
[07:05] <tuggy1> so 3d works for ya
[07:06] <tuggy1> umm what does doom 3 do when you run it?
[07:06] <ChrisC_> tuggy1: agreed :)
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, have you tried bzflag?
[07:06] <nu-unxsaint> anybody know anything about Synaptic's repositories?
[07:06] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: rcconf ?
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> also 3d
[07:06] <bur[n] er_> nu-unxsaint: yes
[07:07] <ChrisC_> It goes to a graphical startup screen, but after a few seconds bails out to the hosed screen I described above
[07:07] <ChrisC_> lemmee try it again
[07:07] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, ok, that's part of it, will I have to edit the config scripts manually if I want apache to run a certain way?
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, make sure dvi and glx are in the XF86Config file
[07:07] <ChrisC_> oh wait, I can't, it'll kill this session ...
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:07] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: how do you want it to run?
[07:07] <CheatersRealm> three key smash!
[07:07] <bur[n] er_> /etc/apache/httpd.conf ?
[07:08] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: OK, I'll look ...
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, turn on the logging in xchat so you can save the sessions
[07:08] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, right, so there's no systemwide configuration utilities? (i've used gentoo so I know how to do it, and I also have used fedora which does it all bascaily for you)
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> very handy sometimes
[07:08] <bur[n] er_> CheatersRealm: does what?
[07:08] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: I'm actually using Chatzilla, I'll evolve to a better IRC client some day :)
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:09] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, like, they help you set up the servcies, not just the runlevels, but they actually do the configs
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> xchat is on ubuntu warty disc
[07:09] <CheatersRealm> I don't have a 'thing' I want to do now, it's just I wanted to know if ubuntu rolled it's own config utils
[07:09] <bur[n] er_> rcconf is it
[07:10] <bur[n] er_> afaik
[07:10] <CheatersRealm> ok, thanks
[07:10] <tuggy1> cheat.. it has all the debian config utils i think
[07:10] <CheatersRealm> I've never used deb.
[07:10] <CheatersRealm> how much do they do?
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, you can also use webmin
[07:10] <tuggy1> umm they should do just about everything?
[07:10] <ChrisC_> my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file has a Load "glx" but nothing about dvi
[07:11] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, there are many 1000s of packages for deb
[07:11] <CheatersRealm> ok, cool
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, oops ...
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> meant dri
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> type
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> o
[07:12] <ChrisC_> ok, yeah, that's in there
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> does it also have nvidia as the Device driver
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> in that file
[07:12] <ChrisC_> tell me where to look :)
[07:12] <tuggy1> hmm anyone know good programs to use for either edonkey or gnutella?
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> Section "Device"
[07:13] <ChrisC_> yes
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> sounds good then
[07:13] <ChrisC_> and the identifier matches
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:13] <ChrisC_> OK, let me just try it and I'll be back
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> so looks ok from that aspect
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, look at
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> oops
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> missed him
[07:14] <tuggy1> anyone use mldonkey?
[07:15] <kergan> nope just limewire
[07:15] <tuggy1> looks like its just what Im looking for
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> azerus here
[07:15] <ChrisC_> yeah, it died
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, lol
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> look at
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[07:15] <CheatersRealm> btdownloadcurses.py !
[07:15] <tuggy1> yeah I use azeruas
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> to see if nvidia driver modules are loaded
[07:15] <CheatersRealm> (that + screen)
[07:15] <tuggy1> mldonkey died?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> CheatersRealm, lol
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> azureus even
[07:16] <ChrisC_> yep
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> azureus rocks
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> cool
[07:16] <CheatersRealm> nomasteryoda, actually, that's what I use, my college blocks bt, so I dl from home over ssh
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> good stuff... just slow... abc is supposedly making a 2.7.0 release for linux soon
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> it's python based... so faster than azureus :)
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> college blocks bt?
[07:16] <bur[n] er_> how? you can use any port you want
[07:17] <CheatersRealm> bur[n] er_, packet shapers
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> ssh is the way to go
[07:17] <bur[n] er_> wow
[07:17] <bur[n] er_> impressive
[07:17] <CheatersRealm> yeah
[07:17] <CheatersRealm> well it doesn't stop us
[07:17] <ChrisC_> big sucker, too:  "nvidia   4821428  12"
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> sure it is
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> but it is the best video set out there
[07:18] <ChrisC_> Oh, no arguments ...
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> gnite
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> nite
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> if anyone wants a gmail invite
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> first 10 to ask me get them
[07:18] <CheatersRealm> just msg me
[07:18] <ChrisC_> so anyway, I start of the doom3-demo, it goes to a splash screen, then bails out to show what appears to be a 640x480 chunk of my desktop, non functional
[07:19] <trombie> are there drivers for the GForce 2 agp card >2yr old in ubuntu?
[07:19] <CheatersRealm> trombie, arn't they the same as the newest ones?
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, are the other modelines in your XF86Config file?
[07:19] <zenwhen> trombie, yeah
[07:19] <zenwhen> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:19] <trombie> i dunno
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> including that resolution?
[07:19] <zenwhen> trombie, theres no difference
[07:20] <zenwhen> You use the same instructions as people with brand new cards.
[07:20] <trombie> thinkin about tryin linux for awhile
[07:20] <ChrisC_> nomasteryoda: oh boy, I get to remember all that old Xconfig stuff again ...
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> if you have the drivers then i would mostly guess the issue is with resolutions
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> i hate that part of x
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> is always problem
[07:22] <ChrisC_> OK, there are several modelines, one for each color depth, each with plenty of resolution options including 640x480
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> crud
[07:23] <ChrisC_> OK, so how about recommending another simple game that I can use just to see my 3D card do something :)
[07:24] <Blackwell> windows <duck>
[07:24] <ChrisC_> zing!
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> bzflag
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> is cool and worldwide play
[07:24] <adbak> any luck, lostmonk?
[07:24] <lostmonk> im reburning it again
[07:24] <calc> http://armagetron.sourceforge.net/
[07:24] <lostmonk> if this dont worjk
[07:25] <lostmonk> im throwing the damn system out the window
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> gltron is good way too
[07:25] <lostmonk> freakin BS
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:25] <calc> http://tuxracer.sourceforge.net/
[07:25] <lostmonk> ive gone thru 5 cd's
[07:25] <calc> those are a couple nice open gl games
[07:25] <lostmonk> its 130am
[07:25] <lostmonk> this is just ridiculous
[07:25] <bur[n] er_> bzflag is sweet
[07:25] <aeruder> tuxracer!
[07:25] <lostmonk> im going to linux to lose problems
[07:25] <Blackwell> lostmonk: you are? bwaahahaha
[07:25] <tuggy1> lol
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> lostmonk, once you get going ... it is very sweet
[07:26] <bur[n] er_> linux does not help against stupidity
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> like a whole new universe has opened up to you
[07:26] <lostmonk> yeah well, i cant take many ore headaches form this
[07:26] <bur[n] er_> oooh... ouch, sorry ;)
[07:26] <Blackwell> yeah, after you have solved all the problems it is very nice. (replace "it" with whatever gives you problems :)
[07:26] <lostmonk> stfu
[07:27] <bur[n] er_> just playin mate
[07:27] <lostmonk> bbiab
[07:29] <ChrisC_> trying to figure out bzflag ...
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> oh yea?
[07:30] <ChrisC_> is there a practice mode?  I assume if I join a server I will be ripped to pieces :)
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> just enter a username you want, then an email address .. bogus works
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> noobs are ok
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> try one of the ducati style ones
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> or spirals
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> is fun
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> tab for jump
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> right mouse for flag release
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> left to fire
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> you'll live
[07:31] <ChrisC_> OK, n00b question: how do I jump out of that app and back to my regular desktop?  Alt-Tab didn't do it ...
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> have to quit using esc
[07:31] <adbak> at the lower left of the screen, you'll see a button.  click it
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> then arrow down to quit
[07:32] <adbak> nm
[07:32] <ChrisC_> adbak: talking about being in a fullscreen game ...
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> so did it work ok
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> most fullscreen games are keyboard only to login/out
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, which server?
[07:37] <ChrisC_> OK, that was fun
[07:37] <ChrisC_> which server:  heck if I know :)
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> Spirals is cool
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> so your GL is working fine...
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:39] <regeya> sorry
[07:41] <ChrisC_> back again ... see, it's the simple things in life (tuxracer)
[07:41] <ChrisC_> yeah, GL seems to work :)
[07:41] <ChrisC_> don't know what's up ID's butt
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> tuxracer is nice
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> yea... google lists some others with same issue
[07:42] <ChrisC_> synaptic is just too damn easy
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:42] <calc> ChrisC_: use dpkg then :)
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:43] <calc> dpkg --force-all is nice
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> try using suse's yast and synaptic together...hehe
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:43] <calc> just ask daniels ;)
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> ChrisC_, make sure you don't
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:45] <lostmonk> this is just dumb
[07:45] <lostmonk> 4 cd's, all freezing at different points
[07:45] <lostmonk> wtf?
[07:46] <ChrisC_> back again, this time dizzy from armageTRON
[07:46] <ChrisC_> wheeee!
[07:46] <ChrisC_> OK, it's a quarter to 2am, time to go
[07:47] <ChrisC_> Thanks nomasteryoda for your help, I'll probably be back tomorrow with more serious tasks :/
[07:47] <aeruder> or he'll still be up playing bzflag...
[07:48] <lostmonk> is there anyone here that truly knows this damn thing all the way thru?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: what thing?
[07:48] <lostmonk> this damn distro
[07:49] <bur[n] er> uhh..
[07:49] <lostmonk> everyon has such great things to say about it
[07:49] <lostmonk> but the damn thing wont work
[07:49] <TongMaster> heya, is there a way to use the live CD as a rescue CD? I"ve not been able to find it so far.....
[07:49] <lostmonk> or amybe the mirror i used has a bad iso?
[07:50] <regeya> hm...I'm guessing that the lovely bluecurbve for debian package on themes.freshmeat.net doesn't come with the kde style packaged...considering running alien on FC's package...
[07:50] <lostmonk> cuz i have burned thru 4 damn cds
[07:50] <regeya> lostmonk, you've lost me.  I'm running ubuntu right now.
[07:50] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: do an md5 sum?
[07:50] <bur[n] er> sure your download is good?
[07:50] <regeya> I've tried my best to break it, too, I really have.
[07:50] <lostmonk> its freezes at different points everytime
[07:50] <bur[n] er> do you burn .iso files the right way
[07:50] <lostmonk> on every cd
[07:50] <lostmonk> yeah
[07:51] <lostmonk> ive burnt them plenty
[07:51] <bur[n] er> md5sum it?
[07:51] <regeya> m eh
[07:51] <lostmonk> it did a verify and no issues
[07:51] <lostmonk> i downloaded a diff app to burn it just for a verify
[07:52] <Synek> hi
[07:52] <fjordlander> Hello all - pretty crowded here!
[07:52] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: i mean the download!!!
[07:52] <bur[n] er> not the burn
[07:52] <lostmonk> how do i md5 the dl?
[07:52] <bur[n] er> if the burn verifies fine... great, but if you're burning crap, who cares
[07:53] <bur[n] er> lostmonk: u in windows?
[07:53] <lostmonk> yeah
[07:53] <bur[n] er> get a lil program called "dsmd5"
[07:53] <bur[n] er> verify the md5sum with the sum posted on the ubuntu website
[07:54] <TongMaster> nevermind, brain in nuetral
[07:57] <lostmonk> i have no idea how to use this thing
[07:57] <bur[n] er> drag and drop the .iso onto the md5 program
[07:57] <lostmonk> okay
[07:57] <bur[n] er> it will calculate an md5 sum
[07:57] <bur[n] er> it's a way to verify a file downloaded is the same as the file on the server
[07:57] <lostmonk> nothing happened
[07:58] <lostmonk> where is the sum on the site?
[07:59] <lostmonk> got it
[08:00] <lostmonk> they match
[08:00] <lostmonk> now what?
[08:00] <lostmonk> ive never had an issue with a cd before now
[08:00] <lostmonk> and ive used 3 apps to burn the cd
[08:01] <bur[n] er> damn
[08:01] <bur[n] er> i was hoping they wouldn't ;)
[08:01] <bur[n] er> on that note... i have no idea
[08:01] <bur[n] er> shitty media?
[08:01] <bur[n] er> or maybe ubuntu doesn't like some of your hardware
[08:01] <bur[n] er> i dunno
[08:01] <lostmonk> i burned 1 copy at 2x
[08:01] <bur[n] er> i had no issues
[08:01] <lostmonk> so then what else can i try?
[08:01] <lostmonk> where can i find a different distro?
[08:01] <lostmonk> one that works already
[08:03] <NewComer> i'm having problems upgrading from warty to hoary, i get errors updating console-data
[08:14] <fjordlander> Ubuntu does not seem to like something on my P4.   Downloaded and burned and can install on a P3 but installer hangs just as it displays the prompt to select the language for install on my P4.  No keyboard response. Ideas?  Can't switch to another console to view output even when i set debug options for boot.
[08:15] <AcidPils> is your keyboard broken?
[08:15] <AcidPils> ;)
[08:21] <aeruder> fjordlander: usb keyboard?
[08:34] <nomasteryoda> distrowatch
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> nomasteryoda ??
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> what about?
[09:09] <fjordlander> ps2 keyboard not broken
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> NEWS FLASH! PS/2 KEYBOARD NOT BROKEN!
[09:09] <fjordlander> And Thats Not All!!!!!
[09:10] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[09:10] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[09:10] <fjordlander> For $2 more you can have a mouse not broken too!!!
[09:10] <craz_out> hrm, i'm installing ubuntu on a mates computer, and it keeps freezing on "load hotplug system" or something like that..
[09:10] <craz_out> anyone know what's up with that?
[09:10] <lostmonk> hehe
[09:11] <lostmonk> i just had it freeze on me in 4 spots, with 4 different burns of the cd
[09:11] <craz_out> i can't seem to get around it...  recovery mode still does it, and init=/bin/sh doen't work cause it's a usb kb
[09:12] <lostmonk> im moving on
[09:12] <lostmonk> seems i just cant install it myself
[09:12] <fjordlander> Hmm... I am freezing with a ps2 keyboard on a P4 Mobo with radeon card at choose language for installer stage
[09:14] <Zotnix> crazney, have you looked at dmesg?
[09:15] <craz_out> Zotnix, nah
[09:15] <craz_out> Zotnix, can i login at that stage?
[09:16] <Zotnix> Well, you can look at it once you log in.
[09:16] <fjordlander> I have set installer to full debugging but since it freezes at the the point it has just initiated framebuffer, I can't see debugging data
[09:16] <craz_out> but it's freezing during init..
[09:17] <Zotnix> Ah, ew
[09:17] <fjordlander> Installs fine on a P3.  Also I know stock debian will install without this issue
[09:18] <craz_laptop> over here now
[09:21] <Zotnix> craz_laptop, so you can
[09:21] <Zotnix> ack
[09:21] <Zotnix> so you can't boot up at all?
[09:21] <craz_laptop> well it freezes on 'starting hotplug subsystem'
[09:21] <craz_laptop> i can't swithc virtual terminals
[09:21] <craz_laptop> at that stage
[09:22] <Zotnix> Does it time out or it never goes on?
[09:22] <craz_laptop> never goes on, it seems
[09:22] <RuffianSoldier> ha
[09:24] <craz_laptop> Zotnix, any idea how to get around it?
[09:28] <Zotnix> craz_laptop, did some googling. Not really sure.
[09:28] <craz_laptop> hrm, just tried some random boot cd my mate had lying around, it froze on the hotplug stuff too
[09:28] <sid77> hi
[09:28] <Zotnix> What kind of hardware do you have on there?
[09:29] <craz_laptop> Zotnix, hrm, xp3000+, usb kb/mouse.. standard other stuff
[09:29] <Zotnix> Which live CD do you have burned?
[09:29] <adnans> hmm, Xorg feels a lot slower after the recent updates :/
[09:30] <craz_laptop> slax i think
[09:30] <craz_laptop> and it's a shuttle pc
[09:30] <Zotnix> I meant the Ubuntu
[09:30] <Zotnix> warty-i386.iso ?
[09:30] <craz_laptop> oh
[09:30] <Zotnix> Or something like that?
[09:30] <craz_laptop> 4.10
[09:31] <craz_laptop> i can't find a hoary cd, is that right?
[09:31] <Zotnix>  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[09:31] <Zotnix> Did you get that one?
[09:31] <craz_laptop> he thinks so
[09:32] <Aoi> I have 3 lan cards, eth0 eth1 (network) are sis and eth2 (internet) via. I had setup only eth2, how can I bring up eth0 and eth1? (I would like to setup a gateway using firestarter and I failed ifconfig)
[09:32] <Zotnix> Which is a 64 bit processor... I THINK (if it doesn't work don't kill me) you need to get the amd64 release
[09:32] <craz_laptop> nah, it's not a 64bit cpu
[09:32] <craz_laptop> ahha!
[09:33] <craz_laptop> usb keyboard it was
[09:33] <Zotnix> Oh
[09:33] <Zotnix> Odd.
[09:33] <Zotnix> XP3000 isn't 64 bit?
[09:33] <craz_laptop> nah
[09:33] <Zotnix> Damn...   Where do I start trying to get that working.  I know it worked under alsa in gentoo, so why is it claiming no cards found?
[09:41] <alka_trash> oh damn, I usually don't like Walmart but, http://media.linspire.com/howto/walmart.swf
[09:42] <alka_trash> and this sounds pretty good too, http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/28447/index.html
[09:43] <Zindar> morning
[09:43] <aeruder> bah, that's crud
[09:43] <aeruder> you can spend a little bit more and get a much better machine from the same place (walmart)
[09:43] <alka_trash> have you seen the flash though
[09:44] <alka_trash> it's killing me, penguin all over the place
[09:47] <alka_trash> Linspire is like a commercial version of Ubuntu with KDE, I like how there logo are these cheesy people running, it's like bottle of vitamins
[09:48] <alka_trash> it's always funny on how they rename sh!t to there own too
[09:50] <alka_trash> I bet some kid is going to get this for Christmas and feel like I felt back in 83' when I got a intelevision instead of a Atari 2600.
[10:01] <bassinboy> someone here makes the theme xfce-dusk  ... who is it?
[10:03] <bassinboy> ChibiFs?
[10:21] <remi> remi
[10:23] <blipper> Hello.. anybody got any ideas about a Mentor/Mercury serial modem with conexant chipset compatibility with Ubuntu?
[10:25] <remi> Si quelqu'un parle francais : A l'installation de Ubuntu, on ne m'a pas demande de mot de passe pour root Comment le defini maintenant ?
[10:25] <ctd> remi: #ubuntu-fr ;)
[10:25] <remi> merci
[10:32] <rnwolf> I am trying to setup zope/plone on my new ubuntu setup. Can anyone help?
[10:35] <xskoulax> morning
[10:36] <zenlunatic> does ubuntu powerpc have wireless support?
[10:39] <xskoulax> zenlunatic, i think it has support for the airport cards but not airport extreme
[10:39] <xskoulax> and i would imagine it supports pcmcia cards that it supports under x86
[10:39] <xskoulax> but don't quote me on that ;)
[10:40] <zenlunatic> cool i think i found a good distro
[10:41] <xskoulax> can't speak about it on ppc hardware yet
[10:41] <xskoulax> at least until i steal my brothers new iBook on xmas day ;p
[10:41] <zenlunatic> yeah well debian requires the 3rd iso for wireless-tools
[10:42] <xskoulax> but its been on my viao laptop for 2+ months now
[10:42] <xskoulax> which is the longest a linux distro has stayed on here
[10:42] <martin_> these faqs are frustrating
[10:42] <martin_> GOD
[10:42] <martin_> they dont explain anything
[10:42] <xskoulax> zenlunatic, it will be easier to install with a wired net hookup
[10:42] <xskoulax> but i did install with out
[10:43] <martin_> people how do i switch to console mode from like uhm animated mode?
[10:43] <martin_> like using commands
[10:43] <martin_> and not your cursor and such things.. . .
[10:43] <xskoulax> today is my first time back on #ubuntu since like the end of october i think, so i'm a little out of the loop
[10:44] <xskoulax> but the box has been running smooth in the intervening period, updates have worked good
[10:44] <xskoulax> i did manage to somehow lose my wep key week and a half ago though
[10:44] <xskoulax> but i'm certain that was me
[10:44] <martin_> xskoulax: can yo usee this?
[10:44] <xskoulax> yea
[10:45] <martin_> oh i thought people cant see my messages
[10:45] <xskoulax> sup martin_
[10:45] <martin_> everyone seems to ignore me for some reason
[10:45] <martin_> *sigh*
[10:45] <martin_> could you help me out a lil?
[10:45] <xskoulax> i'll try
[10:45] <xskoulax> but i'ma n00b
[10:45] <xskoulax> i might know what you need though
[10:45] <martin_> do you know how to switch to console mode?
[10:45] <martin_> you know, like windows has dos
[10:46] <martin_> this has some other thing
[10:46] <xskoulax> you can click on applications > system tools > terminal
[10:46] <xskoulax> that would bring up a "dos box"
[10:46] <xskoulax> in windows terms
[10:46] <martin_> cool
[10:46] <martin_> and i can use that to do whatever i like?
[10:46] <martin_> i mean, it has effect?
[10:48] <xskoulax> ctrl+alt+f1-f6 will also bring up command line and you would use ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to the Graphical interface
[10:48] <xskoulax> well martin_ you can do anything a normal user can
[10:48] <xskoulax> to do root stuff in ubuntu you use sudo
[10:49] <martin_> what is root stuff?
[10:49] <xskoulax> more detail on sudo is where i would be starting to get out of my depth
[10:49] <xskoulax> root is the admin account on linux
[10:49] <martin_> ok, and sudo?
[10:49] <xskoulax> sudo is a way of accessing root account commands from your account
[10:50] <martin_> alright... umm
[10:50] <xskoulax> most linux's force you to have a root and a normal account
[10:50] <martin_> whats the best way to learn about this system?
[10:50] <martin_> this is my first tiem with linux... took me an entire day just to install it.. i had lots of weird problems
[10:50] <martin_> playing with the terminal?
[10:51] <xskoulax> martin_, stick with it; when you get things working you get a nice warm fuzzy feeling ;)
[10:51] <martin_> yeah im sticking with it, i like this much more than windows
[10:51] <xskoulax> terminal would be the dos equilivent
[10:52] <xskoulax> www.linuxquestions.org is a good forum for general linux stuff i've found
[10:52] <martin_> skoul
[10:52] <martin_> ah cool
[10:52] <martin_> say, how do i get windows to boot whenever i like and ubuntu to boot whenever i like without windows taking over?
[10:52] <massi> ciao!
[10:53] <xskoulax> martin_, you need to install windows before installing ubuntu
[10:53] <massi> hi ^^
[10:53] <martin_> i thoght so
[10:53] <xskoulax> otherwise it will overwrite the area ubuntu needs to boot
[10:53] <martin_> hi massi :)
[10:53] <martin_> man
[10:53] <martin_> windows is a bitch
[10:53] <xskoulax> ubuntu and linux in general isn't as arrogant :p
[10:54] <martin_> so tell me please, how do i set things?
[10:54] <xskoulax> set things?
[10:54] <martin_> i mean
[10:54] <martin_> lets say i format
[10:54] <martin_> and install windows... and then i go and install ubuntu
[10:55] <martin_> then i can decide how to devide the partitions?
[10:55] <martin_> without ruining the windows installation?
[10:55] <massi> well..i'm trying to use a picodisk (usb mass storage)..i've done mount /dev/sda .. but into /dev/ i haven't /sda .. what can i do ?_?
[10:55] <martin_> sorry massi thats like chinese to me :/
[10:55] <martin_> i still havent figured out how to listen to music -_-
[10:56] <massi> martin_, ^_^ understood
[10:56] <xskoulax> martin_, the best solution if you can is to use another computer for learning linux that way you can't hose you windows install
[10:56] <xskoulax> if thats not possiable i'd prefer to use 2 seperate harddrives to keep things seperated
[10:56] <martin_> skoulax, dont have another computer :/
[10:57] <xskoulax> thought that might be the case
[10:57] <martin_> thats a pretty good idea.. i wonder where i could get another hard drive though, im short on cash
[10:57] <ctd> Unless it's essential, usually the best way is to just go straight linux and boot off windows.
[10:58] <ctd> That way you force yourself to learn.
[10:58] <xskoulax> there is less risk of messing up important work with stuff on seperate hard drives
[10:58] <xskoulax> ctd has a very good point
[10:58] <martin_> yes, ctd does ^^
[10:58] <xskoulax> i guess it depends on what you need your computer for
[10:58] <martin_> well finally i found some people who answer my questions
[10:58] <martin_> i was getting really frustrated
[10:59] <xskoulax> if your are a gamer going pure linux could get frustrating fast
[10:59] <martin_> oh... cause i am
[10:59] <martin_> although i havent been gaming in the past week at all
[10:59] <xskoulax> but if you need a stable computer for email word processing and internet you really can't go wrong with linux
[10:59] <martin_> i could stop quake3ing for a while i suppose :)
[10:59] <xskoulax> quake3 works on linux
[10:59] <xskoulax> \o/
[10:59] <martin_> cooooooooooooooooool
[11:00] <martin_> how can i get it up and running?
[11:00] <martin_> i dont understand jack shit about all these packages
[11:00] <xskoulax> i've got it working on the slackware install i did for my brother waaaay back
[11:00] <martin_> i dont even know what a package is
[11:00] <xskoulax> package is like a zipped program kinda
[11:01] <xskoulax> except in ubuntu and indeed other debian distributions you have a nice program called apt-get
[11:01] <xskoulax> it downloads the program and anything else it needs to run
[11:01] <xskoulax> and will install it too
[11:01] <martin_> where can i get it?
[11:02] <xskoulax> it?
[11:02] <martin_> the apt get
[11:02] <xskoulax> its installed on ubuntu by default
[11:02] <martin_> oh o_o
[11:02] <martin_> how do i run it then
[11:02] <subterrific> martin_: use synaptic, it is a gui front-end for apt-get
[11:02] <martin_> ?
[11:02] <xskoulax> yea
[11:02] <xskoulax> sub has a point there
[11:03] <xskoulax> i use synaptic too
[11:03] <xskoulax> great program
[11:03] <martin_> is it included in ubuntu also?
[11:03] <xskoulax> yea
[11:03] <martin_> whats a front end btw
[11:03] <martin_> like a skin?
[11:03] <xskoulax> kinda
[11:03] <xskoulax> apt-get is like a dos command
[11:03] <martin_> ok.. how do i run it then?
[11:03] <martin_> oh i see
[11:03] <martin_> and front end is the graphic version
[11:04] <xskoulax> yea
[11:04] <subterrific> martin_: Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[11:04] <martin_> cool :)
[11:04] <subterrific> those menus should be at the top of your screen
[11:04] <xskoulax> martin_,  you have ubuntu running now?
[11:04] <martin_> yes
[11:04] <xskoulax> or you here on a windows install
[11:04] <martin_> its the only things installed
[11:04] <xskoulax> ahhhh
[11:04] <xskoulax> ok then so you already have have the battle done ;)
[11:04] <martin_> i dont really wanna install windows to be honest
[11:04] <martin_> :
[11:04] <martin_> )
[11:05] <martin_> man installing ubuntu was frustrating
[11:05] <martin_> it took me more than a day
[11:05] <subterrific> martin_: just hang around irc, ask questions, you'll be pro in no time
[11:05] <martin_> my cd burner didnt work, my HD was connected wrong and lots of shit
[11:05] <xskoulax> martin_, don't worry about it its like learning a new language
[11:05] <martin_> cool sub
[11:05] <xskoulax> you only get profecient by using it
[11:06] <martin_> yeah xsouklax, only thing i need is a way to learn it
[11:06] <martin_> but #ubuntu pretty much serves that need :)
[11:06] <xskoulax> its a good place to start
[11:07] <xskoulax> www.ubuntuforums.org is the english language forum for ubuntu
[11:07] <martin_> cool thanks
[11:07] <subterrific> and don't forget google
[11:07] <xskoulax> and it looks like they have a guide that i didn't know about http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:07] <subterrific> google knows all
[11:07] <martin_> google is godlike :)
[11:08] <xskoulax> google > *
[11:08] <martin_> true, true.
[11:08] <martin_> ok im gonna try to use synaptic
[11:08] <martin_> brb
[11:09] <martin_> wow
[11:09] <martin_> i have like a million packages
[11:10] <xskoulax> yea there are all kinds of programs
[11:11] <martin_> all these programs are installed?
[11:11] <xskoulax> and that would just be with the default repositories
[11:11] <martin_> seems so. i thought i didnt have anything
[11:11] <xskoulax> no not all of them
[11:11] <martin_> oh, i have them though?
[11:11] <xskoulax> those are the programs you can get from the default repos.
[11:12] <martin_> repos = ?
[11:12] <xskoulax> its like a laundry list of the programs those repos. know about
[11:12] <xskoulax> repositiories
[11:12] <Agrajag> repositories
[11:12] <martin_> and repositories are?
[11:12] <martin_> hehe
[11:12] <Agrajag> a place to get software
[11:12] <martin_> oh ok
[11:13] <martin_> xskoulax, which program do i need for quake 3 to run?
[11:13] <martin_> oh, wait , before that - how can i get bittorrent to run?
[11:13] <Agrajag> you need to download the installer from id's website.
[11:13] <xskoulax> well you would need to get 3d drivers installed first
[11:13] <karlos> hello everyone...i'm having a headache with "jack"..does anyone know anything about "jack"
[11:13] <karlos> ?
[11:13] <xskoulax> karlos, i don't know jack ;P
[11:13] <pw> groan
[11:13] <Agrajag> for bittorrent: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:13] <karlos> i'm trying to run ardour
[11:14] <martin_> agrajag, could you be more newbie-friendly and specific please? :)
[11:14] <karlos> it's to do with sound
[11:14] <Agrajag> martin_: open a terminal
[11:14] <Agrajag> run that command I gave after the colon
[11:14] <martin_> alright brb
[11:14] <xskoulax> applications > system tools > terminal
[11:14] <Agrajag> close synaptic first.
[11:15] <Agrajag> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux/linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run <<< quake3 for linux
[11:15] <Agrajag> all you need if that and the quake3 cd
[11:15] <xskoulax> well and 3d drivers for your graphics card :p
[11:15] <RuffianSoldier> hey beyond - do you like soup?
[11:16] <martin_> agrajag it says unable to lock the administration directory
[11:16] <martin_> is another process using it?
[11:16] <martin_> something liek that
[11:16] <Agrajag> martin_: I said to close synaptic first.
[11:16] <martin_> oh oops :)
[11:16] <martin_> agrajag, if i press ctrl+alt+f1 its like terminal right?
[11:17] <beyond> RuffianSoldier, what are you talking about ?
[11:17] <Agrajag> well yes, but it's usually better to just run a terminal in X
[11:17] <xskoulax> applications > system tools > terminal
[11:17] <martin_> alright
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> beyond - do you know what soup is?
[11:17] <Agrajag> yeah
[11:17] <beyond> RuffianSoldier, no I don't
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> YOU SHOULD TRY IT!
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> google soup
[11:17] <martin_>  sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:17] <martin_> er
[11:18] <martin_> e: couldnt find package
[11:18] <beyond> ok...I'll take a look
[11:18] <xskoulax> Agrajag, martin_ is on a new install
[11:18] <xskoulax> might he need repos for that
[11:18] <Agrajag> aw crap, that stuff's in universe?
[11:18] <martin_> yes.. my first time using linux in general
[11:18] <Agrajag> martin_: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:18] <Agrajag> er
[11:19] <Agrajag> actually
[11:19] <Agrajag> martin_: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:19] <xskoulax> Agrajag, you can prolly guide him better than me
[11:19] <Agrajag> gedit should be easier to use
[11:19] <Agrajag> there should be instruction in that file on enabling "universe"
[11:19] <martin_> alright.. whats universe?
[11:20] <xskoulax> martin_, if you type alt+f2 you can get a run box
[11:20] <Agrajag> it's a set of package sthat are not in the standard ubuntu distribution
[11:20] <xskoulax> you can paste that command there if you need
[11:20] <xskoulax> to open gedit on that file
[11:20] <martin_> oh coooooool
[11:21] <martin_> finally im learning how to do something :)
[11:21] <xskoulax> \o/
[11:21] <martin_> so the sudo gedit stuff is actually connecting to some server and downlaoding things from it?
[11:21] <Agrajag> huh
[11:21] <Agrajag> no
[11:21] <xskoulax> no
[11:21] <martin_> oh.
[11:21] <xskoulax> gedit is like notepad
[11:22] <Agrajag> it's editing a text file on your computer
[11:22] <martin_> oh lol
[11:22] <martin_> why would i want to do that then?
[11:22] <martin_> right now i mean, concidering i want to downlaod bittornado
[11:22] <Agrajag> to enable the universe repository.
[11:22] <martin_> oh ok, ill read it then
[11:22] <martin_> brb
[11:22] <Agrajag> You ned to tell apt that you want to use software from anothe repository
[11:22] <xskoulax> sudo is saying i want to run this command as the admin, gedit is the program you want to run, and /etc/apt/sources.list is the path to the file
[11:23] <martin_> Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network?
[11:23] <Agrajag> yes
[11:23] <martin_> what is uncommenting
[11:23] <Agrajag> remove the #
[11:23] <xskoulax> yea that means remove the # from infront of the lines
[11:23] <lifeless> xskoulax: aptitude can uncomment lines for you
[11:23] <martin_> from all of the lines in that text file?
[11:23] <xskoulax> no
[11:23] <Agrajag> no
[11:23] <xskoulax> not all
[11:23] <Agrajag> just those two
[11:23] <martin_> the 2 first ones?
[11:23] <Agrajag> no
[11:23] <Agrajag> the two following that statement.
[11:24] <xskoulax> ## leave alone # remove
[11:24] <martin_> Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:24] <martin_> those i do not touch?
[11:24] <Agrajag> yes
[11:24] <martin_> bah.
[11:24] <Agrajag> ERGH
[11:24] <martin_> look :
[11:24] <Agrajag> yes
[11:24] <xskoulax> #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[11:24] <martin_> the first ## is : Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[11:24] <xskoulax> becomes deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[11:24] <martin_> the second ## is: Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:24] <Agrajag> you see the two lines, right after that one that sayas "the next two lines"?
[11:25] <Agrajag> those two
[11:25] <martin_> the universe lines?
[11:25] <Agrajag> they have a URL in them, and at the very end they say "universe"
[11:25] <Agrajag> remove the # from the front of those lines
[11:25] <martin_> and i leave the the 'fetch software from the network' alone?
[11:25] <Agrajag> yes
[11:25] <xskoulax> martin_, it might help to maximize the editor
[11:25] <martin_> yeah, ive maximized it :)
[11:25] <xskoulax> so wordwrap isn't confusing the issue
[11:26] <martin_> ok ive removed the comments
[11:26] <Agrajag> ok
[11:26] <martin_> saved and closed
[11:26] <Agrajag> save the file
[11:26] <Agrajag> ok
[11:26] <Agrajag> now
[11:27] <Agrajag> back to the terminal
[11:27] <martin_> ok
[11:27] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:27] <Agrajag> runt hat line
[11:27] <martin_> 44% waiting for headers.
[11:27] <martin_> cool, working
[11:27] <xskoulax> yea
[11:28] <martin_> 184kb/sec, sweet
[11:28] <xskoulax> that line is actually 2 commands
[11:28] <martin_> yeah i understood that && means "and"
[11:28] <xskoulax> yea
[11:28] <martin_> and & does nothing?
[11:28] <xskoulax> Agrajag, ?
[11:28] <Agrajag> && means that when the first command completes successfully, run the second.
[11:29] <Agrajag> If the first command fail, do not run the second.
[11:29] <Agrajag> filas
[11:29] <Agrajag> FAILS
[11:29] <martin_> Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:29] <martin_> bah?
[11:29] <xskoulax> & does nothing correct
[11:29] <Agrajag> man my fingers must be retarded
[11:29] <martin_> er i need to rewrite the error it gave me
[11:29] <Agrajag> xskoulax: yes it does
[11:29] <martin_> hold on this might take some time.
[11:29] <Agrajag> & by itself runs a command in the background, rather than the foreground
[11:29] <xskoulax> ok koo thats what i thought
[11:30] <martin_> some packages could not be isntalled. this may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are usding the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of incoming.
[11:30] <Agrajag> that's... odd.
[11:30] <Agrajag> back in a moment.
[11:31] <martin_> theres another thing, sec
[11:31] <xskoulax> martin_, i'm guessin he's checking something
[11:31] <martin_> since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against taht package should be filed. the following information may helpo to solve the situtation:
[11:31] <martin_> xskoulax, alright. btw, how do you type my name? you actually type it, or is there a hotkey or something
[11:32] <xskoulax> i type mar then hit the tab key and it finishes it for me :D
[11:32] <xskoulax> you could use xs tab for me
[11:32] <xskoulax> i would imagine
[11:32] <martin_> the following packages have unmet dependencies: bittornado-gui:depends:libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[11:32] <martin_> oh cool
[11:33] <martin_> i didnt know you could do that here
[11:33] <xskoulax> that means bittornado needs a python libary
[11:33] <xskoulax> which would be a dll in windows
[11:33] <xskoulax> at least thats my understanding
[11:33] <martin_> i dont even know what ddl files are for
[11:34] <martin_> is there a hotkey to maximize/minimized windows?
[11:34] <xskoulax> dlls are like small chunks of program that can be use by lots of programs
[11:34] <xskoulax> but if you are missing the dll your program is like wait a second i have a peice missing
[11:35] <xskoulax> and crashes :D
[11:35] <xskoulax> alt+f5 alt+f9 its seems
[11:35] <martin_>   oh ok :)
[11:35] <Agrajag> figure it out yet martin_ ?
[11:36] <xskoulax> i'm guessing you're using xchat for irc, if you click on the X icon it will show the short cuts on the menu
[11:36] <martin_> Agrajag, nope
 the following packages have unmet dependencies: bittornado-gui:depends:libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[11:36] <martin_> xskoulax, yes i am
[11:36] <zenkov> hm :-(
[11:36] <martin_> xskoulax, which x icon, top left?
[11:37] <xskoulax> yea
[11:37] <xskoulax> sorry i meant the program icon not close :p
[11:37] <martin_> xskoulax, i didnt close :)
[11:38] <xskoulax> i know, but that was poor guiding on my part :)
[11:38] <zenkov> My problem is that I dont have a /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd entry. In /dev I have entries for my disks, for my audio devices, for my input devices and also for my floppy device but no entry for my cdroms. How i can fix it?
[11:38] <martin_> how come alt+f8 doesnt do anything?
[11:38] <martin_> it should resize
[11:39] <xskoulax> dunno
[11:39] <xskoulax> i,ve never used those short cuts before
[11:40] <xskoulax> you have to click near the edge i think with that
[11:40] <martin_> oh, its done with the arrows
[11:40] <alexissoft> hi
[11:40] <martin_> with the keyboard arrows
[11:40] <xskoulax> oh yea
[11:40] <xskoulax> yea just tried it
[11:41] <martin_> hello alexissoft
[11:41] <xskoulax> see martin_ you just taught me something
[11:41] <zenkov> :-(
[11:41] <martin_> yes xskoulax ^^
[11:41] <xskoulax> zdrasti zenkov
[11:41] <martin_> google > #ubuntu > *
[11:41] <zenkov> xskoulax: hi
[11:41] <xskoulax> thats as far as my russian extends but least i could do was say hi
[11:42] <martin_> i know a few russian words. kak dila?
[11:42] <zenkov> :-)
[11:42] <xskoulax> i know that one t00
[11:42] <martin_> :)
[11:42] <xskoulax> zhopa
[11:42] <xskoulax> :D
[11:42] <martin_> where did Agrajag go?
[11:42] <xskoulax> ammm
[11:42] <xskoulax> nore sure
[11:42] <xskoulax> not*
[11:42] <martin_> xskoulax, maybe you could help me?
[11:43] <xskoulax> i know what the problem is but i don't know how to fix it :/
[11:43] <Agrajag> I'm here
[11:44] <martin_> yo Agrajag
[11:44] <Agrajag> what is the problem?
[11:44] <xskoulax> Agrajag did you see this <martin_> the following packages have unmet dependencies: bittornado-gui:depends:libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[11:44] <Agrajag> hm
[11:45] <xskoulax> zenkov, i think you would have to add the stuff for your cdroms manually
[11:45] <Agrajag> what about: sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
[11:45] <xskoulax> nm i misread that
[11:45] <Agrajag> then: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[11:45] <martin_> working on it..
[11:46] <xskoulax> its not seeing the actual devices, are they burners zenkov
[11:46] <martin_> Agrajag, i ran it through f2 but it didnt do anything
[11:46] <martin_> oh i didnt click run in terminal :)
[11:46] <Agrajag> uh
[11:46] <Agrajag> just keep a terminal open dude
[11:47] <martin_> oh ok
[11:47] <Agrajag> makes things a lot easier
[11:47] <martin_> well it finished both things
[11:47] <Agrajag> ok
[11:47] <Agrajag> what happens when you run btdownloadgui from a terminal
[11:47] <martin_> lets find out
[11:47] <martin_> command could not be found
[11:47] <xskoulax> btdownloadgui or btdownload-gui
[11:47] <xskoulax> ?
[11:48] <martin_> same
[11:48] <Agrajag> it's btdownloadgui
[11:48] <Agrajag> so wait, you said "it finished both things"
[11:48] <Agrajag> what do you mean?
[11:48] <martin_> well i ran those 2 commands from f2
[11:48] <Agrajag> ok
[11:48] <martin_> so all i saw is "done" and it closed
[11:49] <Agrajag> run it in a temrinal
[11:49] <martin_> ok sec
[11:49] <Agrajag> open a terminal, keep it open
[11:49] <martin_> ok
[11:49] <Agrajag> the alt-f2 run thingy is best used for starting GUI programs
[11:49] <xskoulax> applications > system tools > terminal if you forgot where it is
[11:50] <martin_> Agrajag, after running sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python it gave me the same error
[11:50] <martin_> as the first time
[11:50] <martin_> xskoulax, didnt forget, thx though
[11:51] <Agrajag> ok, something is seriously messed up
[11:51] <xskoulax> yea i think so, i just grabbed it from universe fine
[11:51] <martin_> -_-
[11:51] <xskoulax> mmmm
[11:52] <zenkov> xskoulax: but why don't work udev/rules.d/udev.rules and udev/cdsymlinks.sh?
[11:53] <xskoulax> zenkov, are you talking to me in russian :P, I'm pretty much a n00b
[11:54] <martin_> xskoulax, he's asking you why those files or whatever dont work
[11:54] <xskoulax> i just know that burners are treated like scsi devices oftern
[11:54] <xskoulax> martin_, i realised what he was asking, its over my head though :D
[11:54] <martin_> :)
[11:55] <martin_> bah.. so synaptic doesnt work at all on my comp?
[11:56] <xskoulax> martin_, it prolly works
[11:56] <martin_> xskoulax, how do i change password?
[11:56] <martin_> user password, that is
[11:56] <Agrajag> try another package maybe?
[11:56] <Agrajag> martin_: passwd
[11:56] <Agrajag> run that in a terminal
[11:56] <martin_> alright
[11:56] <Auzy> hey all
[11:56] <martin_> ok cool
[11:57] <martin_> hi Auzy
[11:57] <Agrajag> well, I hope you figure out your apt problem, but as it's about 3 am I'm going to sleep
[11:57] <martin_> Agrajag, what other package?
[11:57] <Agrajag> dunno
[11:57] <Agrajag> um
[11:57] <Auzy> I'm just curious if anyones been working on trying to get enlightenment 17 working in ubantu?
[11:57] <martin_> Agrajag, alright, thanks for the help and good night :)
[11:58] <xskoulax> Agrajag, u in west coast us/
[11:58] <xskoulax> ?
[11:58] <Agrajag> yes
[11:58] <xskoulax> ok denver here
[11:58] <xskoulax> :D
[11:59] <xskoulax> gn Agrajag, i'll see if i can help him out
[11:59] <Agrajag> night all
[11:59] <martin_> night
[12:00] <martin_> xskoulax, how do i add a timer to the chat?
[12:00] <martin_> next to each one's nickname
[12:00] <martin_> to know what time the message was sent
[12:00] <Auzy> hmm.. i guess thats a no?? cause I really need the e17 libs for the thing I'm making :(
[12:01] <xskoulax> martin_, settings > prefs
[12:01] <xskoulax> there is an option to time stamp text
[12:02] <martin_> well xskoulax do you have any idea about what my problem might be?
[12:08] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:34] <demon666_nl> hi
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi decklin
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi demon666_nl
[12:35] <decklin> hi tuxJr_14 :)
[12:35] <demon666_nl> Will there be a network install for ubuntu ? (I know I can do this with debian and after that upgrade to ubuntu but a friend of mine wants an easy way to install ubuntu and he hasn't got a cd-rom drive)
[12:36] <tuxJr_14> hi decklin
[12:36] <demon666_nl> hi tuxJr_14 :)
[12:36] <tuxJr_14> hi demon666_nl
[12:41] <demon666_nl> Will there be a network install for ubuntu ?
[12:41] <siretart> demon666_nl: I already installed warty via network
[12:43] <opi> demon666_nl: You can run it in ,,custom'' mode, install base and apt-get rest
[12:44] <jordi> siretart: he means a tiny CD image.
[12:46] <Pozac> I thought there was a tiny CD image.
[12:47] <etorix> ok im trying to figger out the debian-installer hd numbering
[12:47] <etorix> i want to install to hda3
[12:48] <etorix> hda1 exists , hda2 is a extended, does that mean #2 in the installer is tho correct?
[12:48] <etorix> the*
[12:53] <|Snegec|> I'm trying to figure that out too..
[12:59] <remi> remi
[01:01] <siretart> jordi: I dont find it right now, but I used to have a tiny cd netinst image (about 4mb iso image) for warty
[01:02] <demon666_nl> I meant installing without a CD
[01:02] <demon666_nl> I mean a floppy image
[01:03] <|Snegec|> how exactly do you set up a dsl connection once ubuntu is installed?
[01:16] <pisuke> hi. anyone knows if ubuntu cvs binary has http proxy support? how can I enable it?
[01:17] <Zomb> can anyone paste the sources.list line for the current ubuntu unstable branch?
[01:17] <pisuke> Zomb, just s/warty/horay
[01:18] <sid77> hi
[01:20] <Zomb> pisuke: s,debian,ubuntu, -> no "just", dude
[01:21] <Zomb> the doc search system on the homepage sucks. Does not find "sources.list".
[01:25] <demon666_nl> Will there be a floppy netinstall image for ubuntu ?
[01:26] <frogbert> Can someone tell me how to mount another ext3 partition so that any user can read/write to it?
[01:27] <davybondo> Hi my 1st time on irc
[01:27] <housetier> hello davybondo
[01:28] <housetier> welcome to the harsh and addictive world of irc
[01:28] <jordi> davybondo: welcome to the productivity blackhole.
[01:28] <housetier> HAHAHAHAa
[01:28] <jordi> heh
[01:28] <davybondo> Hi housetier and all you guys
[01:29] <davybondo> can I ask 1 of you a question about Ubuntu
[01:31] <davybondo> this is my 1st time useing Ubuntu ....I was useing Mandrake
[01:31] <vegai> I wonder if the ubuntu team is considering a default firewall setup?
[01:31] <Zomb> frogbert: ext3 is not stupid fat. It knows permission flags, so do not try to cheat the kernel.
[01:32] <housetier> davybondo ask your question here and it will most likely be answered
[01:32] <vegai> frogbert: easy ;) mount /dev/hda8 /mnt ; chmod -R a+rwx /mnt/*
[01:32] <vegai> but that's probably not what you wanted..
[01:34] <davybondo> I'm trying to access my hdc drive but it's disabled anybody know how I can access it......Thanks
[01:34] <Pozac> disabled?
[01:35] <davybondo> I have XP on the hdc drive and Ubuntu on my slave drive hdd
[01:35] <Pozac> frogbert, can't you just set low permissions on it?
[01:36] <Pozac> davybondo, have you selected the correct partition?
[01:36] <Pozac> hdc1 or whatever
[01:37] <davybondo> ya tried both ...they have a red icon on them
[01:37] <ar|k> what is ubuntu all abt. its spreadin like fire
[01:37] <bob2> www.ubuntulinux.org, it's the coolest linux distribution in town!
[01:37] <Pozac> ar|k, ubuntu means humanity towards others ;)
[01:38] <ar|k> is it better than mepis/.
[01:38] <davybondo> says I dont have permission it wont let me log on as root
[01:38] <Pozac> davybondo, what does mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows say?
[01:38] <bob2> mepis is a livecd
[01:39] <bob2> ubuntu is an operating system
[01:39] <ar|k> simple installation?
[01:39] <frogbert> Okay so will that say that way when I reboot?
[01:39] <Pozac> davybondo, are you aware of the way root is handled in ubuntu?
[01:40] <davybondo> I'll try that Pozac ...should I type into a terminal window
[01:40] <cef> bob2: you know what I need? a livecd with dev tools and distcc.. *grin*
[01:40] <bob2> cef: haha
[01:40] <cef> bob2: for all those work machines that sit idle every night
[01:40] <Pozac> davybondo, yeah.. if you need to be root, use 'sudo -s' first
[01:40] <Pozac> cef, like the gentoo one? :)
[01:41] <ar|k> im new to linux. im thinking of installing mandrake10.1 cos they say this is the easiest. pls tell me what ubuntu can offer... plss
[01:41] <cef> Pozac: yeah, but all ubuntu.. none of that silly gentoo over-optimization
[01:41] <bob2> ar|k: if you don't know anything about linux, then about the only thing that matters is ease of installation.  I'm pretty sure ubuntu's is simpler than mandrake's.
[01:41] <Pozac> cef ;)
[01:42] <Pozac> ubuntu install is so easy
[01:42] <ar|k> what abt other installations?
[01:42] <Pozac> try them
[01:42] <bob2> ar|k: you'd have to ask them
[01:42] <Pozac> they are free
[01:42] <Pozac> :)
[01:42] <bob2> e.g., #mandrake or whatever
[01:43] <Pozac> I highly recommend Ubuntu for everyone.
[01:43] <bob2> me too
[01:43] <ar|k> thanks
[01:43] <Pozac> davybondo, did you add anything to your /etc/fstab file?
[01:44] <davybondo> tried it Pozac typed in -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows and came back with               command not found, I know it is a ntfs file system
[01:45] <bob2> you forgot the word 'mount'
[01:45] <Pozac> davybondo, mount :)
[01:45] <davybondo> no never heard of that
[01:45] <bob2> "sudo mount  -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows"
[01:45] <Pozac> if /mnt/windows is where you want it
[01:45] <Pozac> Isn't this documented somewhere?
[01:45] <bob2> yes
[01:46] <Pozac> davybondo, read here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&page=1&pp=10
[01:47] <bob2> also in the faq
[01:47] <bob2> and the ubuntu guide thing
[01:47] <Pozac> and lots of howto's
[01:49] <demon666_nl> Will there be a floppy netinstall image for ubuntu ?
[01:50] <davybondo> Thanks Pozac.......I think I'll go read up on it
[01:50] <atropus> how can I unmount a flash drive when it is busy?
[01:50] <bob2> demon666_nl: it's being worked on, and is a 'good to have goal, iirc
[01:50] <bob2> atropus: kill whatever is making it busy
[01:50] <Pozac> davybondo, no problem :) if you still have problems after reading, come back here :)
[01:50] <jinty> man mount fstab
[01:51] <davybondo> Thanks a lot      Cya later
[01:53] <Pozac> demon666_nl, Please make one! ;)
[01:55] <marco> is there someone who speek italian?
[01:55] <usual> I do not
[01:55] <marco> so, i try to speek en..
[01:56] <demon666_nl> bob2 do you know if it's a goal for hoary or grumpy ? do you know where to find more about this on the wiki ?
[01:56] <bob2> marco: #ubuntu-it
[01:56] <bob2> demon666_nl: hoary, iirc, maybe on the hoary goals page?
[01:57] <marco> thanks bob!!!
[01:57] <marco> bye to all
[01:57] <khinester> hello
[01:57] <usual> hi
[01:58] <khinester> i have installed ubuntu on a low spec laptop using the howto from the main site
[01:58] <khinester> and have also added openoffice
[01:58] <khinester> but can't find out how to start open office
[01:59] <khinester> it is not in the applications folder
[01:59] <bob2> which 'application folder'?
[02:00] <khinester> when you click on the IceWM icon
[02:00] <khinester> you have Applications
[02:00] <bob2> you need to mention that you're using icewm then :)
[02:00] <khinester> sorry
[02:01] <vegai> I wonder if the ubuntu team is considering a default firewall setup?
[02:02] <vegai> is there already a tool for defining firewalls?
[02:02] <ar|k> is there PPPOE confiuration?
[02:02] <vegai> (in an easy way)
[02:02] <demon666_nl> bob2 : I can't find anything about it on the wiki. (only howto's if you've installed linux already or use knoppix or debian bootfloppy's)
[02:03] <usual> vegai, I am using firestarter
[02:03] <usual> vegai, it's nice
[02:04] <usual> vegai, http://www.fs-security.com/
[02:06] <demon666_nl> firestarter is nice. But not necessary if you don't install additional services. See http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7511
[02:11] <usual> AndyFit1, very nice
[02:13] <usual> AndyFit1, msg me your aim name again
[02:13] <AndyFit1> usual: AndyFitzGeek
[02:14] <usual> ok gotcha
[02:14] <usual> icons look great
[02:14] <AndyFit1> thanks mate
[02:14] <usual> AndyFit1, just to let you know, gnome crashed for me on login
[02:14] <usual> AndyFit1, said panel was already running
[02:15] <usual> AndyFit1, gnome is behaving strange
[02:15] <AndyFit1> ouch, thats happened to me in hoary too
[02:15] <usual> AndyFit1, have you made a firefox icon yet?
[02:15] <AndyFit1> now I know why people wear those _Insert name_ broke my gnome   t-shirts
[02:15] <bob2> vegai: there are lots, but none of them were considered 'best of breed' enough to go in
[02:16] <bob2> vegai: also, the default install has no need for a firewall
[02:16] <usual> hehe
[02:16] <vegai> demon666_nl: but aren't daemons automatically started in Debian/Ubuntu?
[02:16] <AndyFit1> usual,  checkout http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etq
[02:16] <AndyFit1> I can't use the firefox logo.  but I have made an svg for it
[02:17] <usual> AndyFit1, I see, nice work either way
[02:17] <AndyFit1> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etq/trademarks.svg  if you want the svg :-P
[02:17] <etorix> will xfce4 go on this
[02:17] <AndyFit1> etorix: yes
[02:17] <usual> ERROR 404: Not Found.
[02:18] <etorix> erm .. what about KDE
[02:18] <bob2> demon666_nl: dunno then, I believe kamion was working on it...maybe ask on the ubuntu-devel list?
[02:18] <AndyFit1> etorix: yes but  not much support for it with this distro
[02:19] <usual> AndyFit1, did you move the file or something?
[02:19] <AndyFit1> you'll basically  get what debian has
[02:19] <etorix> ok .. im on amd64 .. i have sources
[02:19] <AndyFit1> usual: I'm checking what happened to it ..    brisgeek is a debian box  . never lets me down.    fitzsimon.com.au is a win2k box ( I only use it for the storage space )  its constantly flaky
[02:20] <usual> haha
[02:20] <etorix> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" - Alpha amd64 Binary-1 .. i just installed
[02:20] <AndyFit1> usual,  it went missing ... weird ..  its up now
[02:20] <usual> k
[02:22] <AndyFit1> usual, the October wallpaper  2nd from the top on http://brisgeek.com/etiquette/downloads.html  works best with the icon them I find
[02:22] <usual> k
[02:23] <AndyFit1> they are just cinepaint to gimp mods of the dark brown calender png files. a bit more elegant I think
[02:25] <etorix> i have no root account .. .. no choice other than 640x480 ..
[02:25] <etorix> so dialogs are un-accessible
[02:26] <etorix> they go off-screen
[02:26] <Roshbo> uptime
[02:26] <usual> AndyFit1, how can I extract the trademark icons in inkscape
[02:27] <AndyFit1> just open the svg file, make a new document 128x128 pt and copy paste the ones you want and save them
[02:28] <wood1> Hi to all
[02:28] <AndyFit1> hi wood1
[02:28] <wood1> Great to back to #ubuntu
[02:28] <wood1> I miss you guys and dolls
[02:28] <AndyFit1> and welcome back
[02:29] <usual> AndyFit1, I see a bunch or templates but nowhere to custom tell it to do 128x128
[02:29] <AndyFit1> usual CTRL+SHIFT+D
[02:29] <AndyFit1> just open the document properties dialog
[02:30] <demon666_nl> vegai : all ports are closed by default and only opened when you install something like apache. But firestarter might be nice if you want to make sure those services aren't reachable. A firewall is also nice if you're paranoid :)
[02:31] <AndyFit1> totem-xine and mplayer arent opening my divx :P
[02:31] <demon666_nl> bob2 : thnx
[02:31] <wood1> How do I transfer a file from Amsn to somebody from Gaim ?
[02:31] <usual> AndyFit1, do I have to do something special to perfectly paste the icon into the new doc? or do I just drag it over it and hope for the best
[02:31] <AndyFit1> I wanna watch theOCS02E06.  too bad I guess lol
[02:31] <usual> AndyFit1, did you install the multimedia packages like libdvdcss2 or whatever
[02:32] <AndyFit1> usual, those bugs were fixed when I visited the inkscape dev team in melbourne :)
[02:32] <AndyFit1> it should work fine.  but ungrouping everything and pressing up down helps too.. also making sure you vacuum the defs every so often
[02:33] <zenlunatic> how does one verify the iso is not corrupted? ie md5?
[02:33] <zenlunatic> or does ubuntu not have this?
[02:33] <AndyFit1> usual: yeah I installed everything needed.  and I didnt uninstall anything .  the same files that played a few days ago won't play now  with no corruption etc
[02:34] <AndyFit1>  usual,  could you pm me you sources.list  ?
[02:34] <usual> AndyFit1, sure
[02:34] <AndyFit1> you= your
[02:34] <AndyFit1> thanks .  I did alot of sources.list cleansing when gnome-panel didnt load ;)
[02:35] <etorix> hmm .. why didnt i get an option to set a root password and account
[02:36] <etorix>  how am i i sposed to edit
[02:36] <usual> AndyFit1, 1 sec
[02:36] <AndyFit1> etorix, because it uses sudo
[02:37] <AndyFit1> now you type sudo -s  instead of su
[02:37] <etorix> the user is in the sudoers?
[02:37] <AndyFit1> if you want more than the first user to be able to use sudo  you have to edit sudoers
[02:37] <etorix> ah ok
[02:37] <etorix> no second user
[02:38] <Shufla> hello ubunte[i] rs :D
[02:38] <etorix> it seems to work ok so far but i need to do a bit of serious editing from within
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> may i aska fedora installation question here, if people dont mind?
[02:46] <zenlunatic> no i mind
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> oh! why? its REALLY serious and someone here might know!?
[02:48] <AcidPils> dont ask to ask, just ask... (i guess noboby will know the ansyer ;) )
[02:48] <fabbione> -> #fedora
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> i inserted FC3 first disc , the install was about to start and it gave an error about disk space and i neede to restarts. henceforth, ever since install start, the x server starts, display a rainbow stripes horizontal lines and hangs the amchine
[02:48] <AcidPils> answer even
[02:49] <AcidPils> good question, next one ;)
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: i need all possible help
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> AcidPils: LOL. i am serious! :P
[02:51] <AcidPils> sorry, i never used fedora
[02:52] <etorix> -> #fedora
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> ok
[02:52] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: me on my new asus notebook, the fc3 dont works.
[02:52] <etorix> i used fedora for a day or so
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: it worked the first time
[02:52] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: test with ubuntu :)
[02:52] <AcidPils> cant you change to a console? maybe with some more input would help
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: i have alreadytried ubuntu and like it
[02:53] <AcidPils> why fedora then? oO
[02:54] <gsuveg> yes. why ?
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> AcidPils: to get the feel of it. also, i LOVE kde
[02:54] <AcidPils> kde is great... as long as i dont have to use it
[02:54] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: then apt-get install kde or so
[02:55] <Kamion> zenlunatic: in the installer, go back to the main menu and look for "verify the CD-ROM's integrity" near the bottom
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: ok. but i still wanana try FC3
[02:56] <gsuveg> da_bon_bon: intall vmware ;)
[02:56] <etorix> fc3 = no apt
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> gsuveg: i was thinking of that!!
[02:56] <gsuveg> etorix: nono. you can use apt in fc
[03:15] <Ileden> Hi! I'm quite new to linux (haven't gotten it to work well enough for me yet), and I'll probably be installing Ubuntu next time I'll try it out. I'm wondering if this channel is friendly towards help requests concerning ubuntu, and linux in general - can I get help here during the setup process?
[03:15] <zeedo> Ileden: yep
[03:15] <Ileden> Great. :)
[03:16] <zeedo> as long as you have read the docs first, people here will be happy to help
[03:16] <AcidPils> im also new to this chan, but most of the guys here are helful
[03:17] <Ileden> Well, I'll be sure to try the docs first, but not everything is that well documented, at least for those with not much previous technical experience with linux...
[03:17] <Ileden> I haven't yet read the ubuntu docs, though.
[03:17] <|rufius|> Could anyone tell me how to change my default media player from Totem to something else?
[03:18] <siretart> ah, hi AcidPils ;)
[03:18] <Ileden> I'd also like to know whether this channel has a friendly attitude towards helping out on setting up technically insignificant, but usability-wise meaningful features for ubuntu? Often some of my questions and laments about some aspects of linux have been met with somewhat of a resistance from people using linux, which does make setting up a linux for my tastes a problem.
[03:19] <siretart> Ileden: I have a good impression of the ubuntu community. Both in this channel and in the wiki
[03:20] <siretart> Ileden: but you'll never learn if you don't try ;)
[03:20] <Ileden> siretart: From what small I've seen at the wiki, I also got a good impression. One of the reasons ubuntu seems so appealing. :)
[03:23] <Ileden> siretart: So true. The main problem is just that - you (or at least I) mostly learn by doing. But I need to have the system up and working for me to start learning how it works. And from previous experience it seems to set up linux (not just install) you need to know how it works. So there we have an endless loop. :)
[03:23] <Ileden> by setting up I don't just mean the installation.
[03:24] <Ileden> I mean installing and setting up all the software required for normal use of a computer system -.which is somewhat extensive list for me :)
[03:25] <siretart> Ileden: ubuntu works fairly good at setting up a gnome desktop with office tools like openoffice and evolution. it depends how YOU want to use your computer. for many people this suffices
[03:25] <etorix> best way to learn is by doing
[03:25] <|rufius|> hrm i just want to get rid of totem... stupid totem
[03:26] <AcidPils> hi siretart i found my way to this channel at last ;)
[03:26] <siretart> hehe
[03:28] <Ileden> siretart: yes, that is the problem, for most people Office is enough. I however have some more uses, and on previous occasion I haven't gotten all of the applications I want to work.
[03:29] <Ileden> and most people that have more uses already know how to use linux. :)
[03:29] <siretart> Ileden: what applications are you talking of?
[03:30] <Ileden> well, last time I tried (Mandrake) I couldn't get grip to copy CDs properly, nor could I understand how the cd writing software was meant to be used. To name two examples.
[03:32] <siretart> grip is not a burning application, but a fairly good ripper
[03:32] <Ileden> oh, sorry, I wasn't using grip for trying to burn something.
[03:33] <Ileden> I don't remember what I used anymore, it was more than a year ago, or something. :)
[03:34] <Ileden> there were other problems as well, but I'm afraid I don't recall all of them either. :)
[03:34] <Ileden> I have tried to map out my uses for my computer though, to approach moving to linux at least in a somewhat organized fashion.
[03:36] <Ileden> But anyway, I'll probably won't have time for my next attempt at linux until next year, so this I'm just here to check out whether the Ubuntu community is nice and friendly enough to help me. :)
[03:37] <urdalen> !search download accelerator
[03:37] <rhodan> hello thar
[03:37] <wood1> Amaranth, how are you?
[03:37] <wood1> are you there
[03:38] <AndyFit1> g'day,  anybody know if there is a specific file used for folding@home ?  and if so do they have a mimetype ?
[03:38] <wood1> Treenaks, are you there ?
[03:38] <wood1> AndyFit, do you know how to install fonts in Ubuntu ?
[03:38] <wood1> I want to install some ttf fonts
[03:39] <AndyFit1> wood1: yeah there are a few ways..    the easiest is to go to fonts:// in nautilus and drag and drop them
[03:39] <AndyFit1> open nautilus  go  CTRL+L  type fonts://  and drag the ttf files in there
[03:40] <wood1> fonts://
[03:40] <wood1> that's it
[03:40] <srbaker> anyone know of a good repository that has things like f-spot, muine, tomboy?
[03:40] <srbaker> i need at least those appas
[03:41] <wood1> thanks Andy
[03:41] <AndyFit1> nps
[03:42] <|rufius|> has anyone in here tried to play Postal for linux?
[03:42] <|rufius|> hrm actually, more accurately, has anyone tried to play a game and have it completely mess up the xserver?
[03:42] <AndyFit1> srbaker: f-spot is very unstable unless you get it from cvs
[03:42] <royalbuds> hi, whats the difference between debian and ubuntu?
[03:42] <|rufius|> royalbuds: ubuntu is more user friendly
[03:42] <srbaker> oh
[03:42] <srbaker> suck
[03:42] <srbaker> what about tomboy packages?
[03:43] <|rufius|> like if i try to play netpanzer or postal, my xserver goes nuts and dies on me, have to restart it
[03:43] <royalbuds> |rufius|, but what about the packages, can i use debian mirrors?
[03:43] <AndyFit1> the rest should be in unstable or multiverse
[03:43] <AndyFit1> I mean universe
[03:43] <srbaker> uh, tomboy isn't
[03:43] <|rufius|> royalbuds: if you wanted to but i havent found much that the ubuntu mirrors didn'th ave...
[03:43] <AndyFit1> srbaker ? hoary ?
[03:44] <royalbuds> |rufius|, but i can use apt?
[03:44] <srbaker> AndyFit1, no, warty
[03:44] <kensai> royalbuds, yep apt is the package manager for ubuntu too
[03:44] <AndyFit1> ahh sorry  yeah I know there is a repo for warty too.    getswea something something
[03:44] <linux_mafia> srbaker, tseng's repo has those things
[03:44] <|rufius|> royalbuds: its debian essentially, if it didn't have apt, you couldn't call it based on debian
[03:44] <|rufius|> ;)
[03:44] <srbaker> thx
[03:45] <wood1> AndyFit, how do I know which services are running on my system right now ?
[03:45] <linux_mafia> srbaker, hang on i give you apt line
[03:45] <srbaker> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/
[03:45] <srbaker> :)
[03:45] <linux_mafia> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[03:46] <AndyFit1> wood1:  in gnome-system tools there is a runlevel editor .  but for somereason it isnt included in ubuntu
[03:46] <AndyFit1> I wish it were
[03:46] <wood1> How do I use that ?
[03:46] <wood1> Is it installed or do we have to manually install it ?
[03:46] <linux_mafia> srbaker, im on hoary, fspot is a no go here still, you can install it, but it wont start
[03:47] <srbaker> wow
[03:47] <srbaker> tseng has all of those
[03:47] <srbaker> nice
[03:47] <AndyFit1> wood1  its not installed and I'm not sure why it isnt in the repos anymore
[03:47] <srbaker> linux_mafia, ahh, then i'll wait for it to not suck
[03:47] <AndyFit1> it was in there once
[03:47] <wood1> What is tomboy ???
[03:47] <AndyFit1> but I updated and it disappeared
[03:47] <linux_mafia> srbaker, you could try cvs, but i havent bothered
[03:47] <linux_mafia> wood1, mono app for taking notes
[03:48] <srbaker> oh damn.  mono is only in universe
[03:48] <srbaker> wood1, tomboy is a wiki for your desktop.  it kicks major ass
[03:48] <wood1> What does it do actually ?
[03:49] <linux_mafia> wood1, http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/
[03:49] <srbaker> wood1, google for "Seven Cool Mono Apps" and read about it
[03:49] <macewan> good morning from someone that has 10 days off :)
[03:49] <linux_mafia> off what?
[03:49] <macewan> work
[03:49] <linux_mafia> oh
[03:49] <mgedmin> is it possible to install ubuntu over the network from the i386 install cd?
[03:49] <mgedmin> apparently the CD-ROM drive is not detected on Dell PowerEdge 750 servers
[03:50] <mgedmin> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4062.html implies it is possible, but I cannot find network installation methods anywhere
[03:50] <linux_mafia> mgedmin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto/view?searchterm=net%20install
[03:52] <AndyFit1> morning macewan
[03:54] <macewan> :)
[03:56] <AndyFit1> I'll be right back
[03:58] <tim1> we have a fully transparent gnome-panel in hoary! yippie
[03:58] <macewan> because of xorg
[03:58] <macewan> ?
[03:58] <kergan> not counting the vwm that ant transparent
[03:58] <|rufius|> Does ubuntu use xorg or xfree86?
[03:59] <kergan> werty uses xfree
[03:59] <kergan> hoary uses xorg
[03:59] <|rufius|> hrm ok
[03:59] <tim1> macewan: no, gnome-panel and gnome-applets 2.9.3
[03:59] <|rufius|> then i don't understand whats going on w/ netpanzer...
[03:59] <tim1> actually i'm running xf86 under hoary
[03:59] <kergan> i have xorg
[03:59] <kergan> and i love it
[04:00] <macewan> it's nice but i found it fairly slow
[04:00] <kergan> i found its slow when i run xcompmgr
[04:01] <kergan> so xcompmgr is for screenshots only
[04:01] <wood1> Andy, how do I install tomboy ?
[04:01] <DoktorTomoe> hi :)
[04:02] <Pozac> hi DoktorTomoe :)
[04:02] <DoktorTomoe> What is the proper way of installing JAVA under Ubuntu Hoary?
[04:02] <macewan> untar, make, sudo make install I believe
[04:02] <macewan> for wood1
[04:02] <kergan> www.ubuntuguid.org go thare for java install DoktorTomoe
[04:03] <Pozac> tim1, are all the applets transparent too?
[04:03] <kergan> ubuntuguide.org
[04:03] <kergan> Pozac, yes
[04:03] <wood1> How do I open the Nautilus browser as the root user ?
[04:03] <wood1> Andy
[04:03] <Pozac> sweet
[04:03] <wood1> macewan
[04:03] <kergan> wood1, sudo nautlius
[04:03] <macewan> tomboy install
[04:04] <tim1> Pozac: the ones i use are, gnome-menu, volume, clock ...
[04:04] <kergan> tim1,  and weather
[04:04] <Pozac> tim1, no pager?
[04:04] <kergan> lol
[04:05] <Pozac> Am I the only one using the bubblemon applet? It's totally sweet, though slightly broken :(
[04:05] <tim1> kergan: weather yes
[04:05] <macewan> ah yeah dot slash configure before you make wood1
[04:06] <tim1> Pozac: what does pager do? everything is german over here
[04:06] <kergan> tim1,  i was makingshure you dint forget any applets
[04:06] <Pozac> tim1, It shows mini previews of the workspaces
[04:07] <Pozac> It doesn't seem to fixed yet :(
[04:07] <kergan> its the vwm
[04:07] <tim1> hm how can the pager be transparent ?
[04:08] <Pozac> dunno :)
[04:08] <Pozac> it can be better than now
[04:08] <Gwildor|Work> Pozac, what is the "bubblemon"applet do?
[04:08] <Pozac> it looks really out of place
[04:08] <Pozac> Gwildor, cpu load, mem, swap monitor
[04:09] <Gwildor|Work> Pozac, ahhh, imma have to look into that
[04:10] <Pozac> Gwildor, it has some problems with memory though... it doesn't leave out the buffers/cache part, so memory seems to be full very quick :(
[04:11] <DoktorTomoe> Java: tried the way of ubuntuguide, didnt work
[04:11] <Blackwell> hi
[04:11] <Pozac> hi BlacKnight|
[04:11] <Pozac> blackwell
[04:11] <kergan> DoktorTomoe, then you dint follow the instructions
[04:12] <wood1> Andy, I can't paste some TTF fonts in Nautilus ?
[04:12] <Pozac> :)
[04:12] <kergan> casue its installed and works just fine
[04:12] <DoktorTomoe> kergan: to the very letters.
[04:12] <kergan> hmmm
[04:12] <kergan> what ver of java
[04:12] <kergan> 1.5
[04:12] <Blackwell> java? install problems?
[04:13] <kergan> Blackwell, i know
[04:13] <kergan> lol
[04:13] <kergan> welp i am off to work
[04:13] <kergan> bye alll
[04:13] <DoktorTomoe> 1.4.2
[04:13] <DoktorTomoe> 1.5 does not work for me -_-
[04:14] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: try better than "does not work"?
[04:14] <DoktorTomoe> Blackwell: The custom banking account application written by that damn freelancer I have to use is not running under 1.5
[04:15] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: ah, so java 1.5 is running fine on your box? who's next? :)
[04:15] <DoktorTomoe> Java 1.5 used to run on that old SuSE-Box of mine. I tried it there. Ubuntu is pretty new on this system
[04:17] <DoktorTomoe> Blackwell: The Problem is how to install Java 1.4.2 on Ubuntu, because I am stuck with this java application (it refuses to run under 1.5)
[04:17] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: same way as 1.5 :)
[04:17] <Blackwell> DoktorTomoe: http://javafaq.mine.nu/lookup?67
[04:18] <Pozac> Are there any goodies in the linux-image-2.6.9-1 build that are not in <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[04:18] <linux_mafia> Pozac, inotify
[04:18] <Pozac> ohh
[04:18] <Pozac> for gamin?
[04:20] <etorix> is there a ppp-setup app?
[04:20] <linux_mafia> Pozac, i guess, i only know of its use with beagle
[04:20] <etorix> pppconfig gives me just errors
[04:20] <etorix> /usr/sbin/pppconfig: line 24: BEGIN: command not found
[04:21] <etorix> ha ha ha
[04:21] <etorix> /usr/sbin/pppconfig: line 25: use: command not found
[04:21] <Pozac> etorix, did you try System Settings -> Network ?
[04:22] <etorix> ok ill try that
[04:22] <etorix>  .. i cant find any ppp stuff in the *install* manual
[04:23] <Pozac> linux_mafia, I'm hoping inotify/gamin will solve alot of my FAM woes :)
[04:24] <linux_mafia> Pozac, i dont think gamin really has anything to do with inotify, at the moment anyway, until dnotify is completely depreciated
[04:25] <Pozac> linux_mafia, ok :(
[04:25] <Blackwell> hm. good to see that it is not only java developers who get "deprecated" wrong all the time. ;)
[04:26] <Pozac> Blackwell, its deprecation or what win32 has become :)
[04:28] <linux_mafia> Blackwell, hey your right, i guess i never thought about it, must be mis-spelled/mis-used so often
[04:29] <Blackwell> Pozac: win32, deprecated? funk, nobody told me. i need to tell my boss, we need to cancel the current project. :)
[04:30] <Pozac> Blackwell, Its not. It should. :)
[04:30] <Blackwell> linux_mafia: i keep seeing it in the java realm. it's too funny, even the sharpest and most nitpicking java folks get it wrong now and then. ;)
[04:30] <Blackwell> Pozac: ah, perhaps, like any c level api :)
[04:30] <wood1> What is the difference between a .tar file and a .bz2 file format ?
[04:31] <Blackwell> but then again, someone's got to write the nice infrastructure for us high level bozos...:)
[04:31] <Pozac> wood1, tar just packs file into one, no compression
[04:31] <rhodan> hello thar
[04:31] <Blackwell> wood1: one os file archive with compression, the other only an archive.
[04:31] <macewan> http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200412#post-200
[04:31] <Pozac> wood1, bz2 and gz are ways to compress that single tar file
[04:31] <macewan> could someone look at that and tell me if it makes sense?
[04:31] <macewan> it's a tomboy howto install
[04:31] <Blackwell> wood1: actually, i take that bz2 being a file archive format back. it may be, don't know. :)
[04:32] <Pozac> macewan, compiling is not needed on ubuntu
[04:32] <Blackwell> macewan: install of vs. on?
[04:32] <tim1> macewan: there are tomboy .deb packages
[04:32] <macewan> really?
[04:32] <tim1> in hoary ...
[04:33] <macewan> what about warty
[04:33] <Pozac> I got the package from somewhere when I ran warty
[04:33] <Pozac> tim1, you got mono working in hoary?
[04:33] <Blackwell> macewan: consider bold step marks or something, so that at first glance the steps can be told apart easily. oh, i know, i am nitpicking on form, not content. :-)
[04:33] <tim1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/tomboy/
[04:34] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm not new to linux but I have never needed to try and dialup before, can someone point me to a good howto or to where the config is so I can try and figure it out?
[04:34] <macewan> no, thanks for the input
[04:34] <macewan> :)
[04:34] <tim1> Pozac: there are also .deb packages for mono :)
[04:34] <rhodan> neep neep
[04:34] <Pozac> tim1, I can't install it since it was removed a few days ago
[04:35] <Pozac> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ <- to get tomboy, from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:35] <Pozac> in warty
[04:35] <Blackwell> Kirsch: got dsl?
[04:35] <tim1> yeah i can't update it to 1.0.4 either, but 1.0.2 is still working
[04:35] <macewan> well I'll be
[04:35] <Pozac> So how do I go about installing 1.0.2 ?
[04:35] <linux_mafia> shit, last cig
[04:36] <Blackwell> linux_mafia: smoking can cause death.
[04:36] <rhodan> is it worth upgrading to hoary hedgehog ?
[04:36] <tim1> apt-get install mono=1.0.2
[04:36] <Blackwell> and cancer. and...
[04:36] <macewan> in hoary it complains about not have *mint or something another not being version 1.0.4
[04:37] <rhodan> is hoaring hedgehog worth the upgrade ?
[04:37] <Kirsch> Blackwell: No, Dialup
[04:37] <Kirsch> old fashioned 56K
[04:37] <Kirsch> PPP
[04:37] <Pozac> tim1, version 1.0.2 not found..
[04:37] <tim1> hm
[04:37] <Pozac> rhodan, it breaks but it's sweet. You decide. :)
[04:38] <linux_mafia> hoaring hedgehog, haha, (pictures a hedgehog out on a boozy stripclub night)
[04:38] <rhodan> kekeke
[04:38] <tim1> pozac: wait a second
[04:38] <wood1> can the "tar" command be used to unzip .zip files
[04:38] <rhodan> Pozac: what breaks ? anything major ?
[04:38] <Pozac> use unzip
[04:38] <wood1> I can't extract a .bz2 file using tar ?
[04:39] <Pozac> rhodan, ubuntu is released every 6 months, with feature additions in the beginning (=breakage, like X.Org was a few days ago), but later on it will stabilize
[04:39] <macewan> bunzip2 *.bz2
[04:39] <Pozac> wood1, tar vxjpf archive.tar.bz2
[04:40] <linux_mafia> wood1, it all depends, a straight .bz2 you would use bzip2 -d <file> a tar.bz2 then tar jxf <filr>
[04:40] <maswan> linux_mafia: Ehm. j means to do automatic bzip2 decompression. either bzip2 -d first or j as a flag to tar.
[04:40] <Pozac> wood1, if you have got X, then file-roller is a sweet tool. :)
[04:41] <tim1> pozac: i have the 1.0.2 packages still in my apt cache
[04:42] <wood1> By the way, I can't connect to this IRC Channel using Port 6667
[04:42] <Kirsch> How do I know where my modem is?
[04:42] <linux_mafia> maswan, yeah i know, didnt make myself clear, a straight .bz2 you would use bzip2 -d <file> or if you have a tar.bz2 then tar jxf <file>, better?
[04:42] <Kirsch> which /dev/ttySX ?
[04:42] <Pozac> tim1, I'll just wait for some fixage :)
[04:43] <wood1> Could that be due to some firewall that I can't connect to this #IRC using gaim
[04:43] <Pozac> tim1, thanks :)
[04:43] <linux_mafia> maswan, or can you go tar j on a straight .bz2, is that what youre saying?
[04:43] <tim1> pozac: ok :)
[04:44] <wood1> linux_mafia, I think that my network administrator has block the port 6667
[04:44] <wood1> How do I connect to gaim and still access port 6667
[04:44] <pisuke> tar xvfz *.tar.gz or *.tgz
[04:44] <pisuke> tar xvfj *.tar.bz2
[04:45] <Blackwell> wood1: ask your network admin. you don't want to get fired for hacking your way around a block set up esp. for you.
[04:45] <pisuke> that's it. or use fireroller :)
[04:45] <linux_mafia> using gaim for irc? odd, or is it common? ive used xchat or bitchx only
[04:45] <wood1> Well Blackwell, is there a way out ?
[04:45] <Blackwell> packer/unpacker support isn't integrated into the file explorer?
[04:45] <maswan> linux_mafia: the first thing
[04:46] <Blackwell> wood1: a six-pack might do the trick.
[04:46] <wood1> Linux_mafia, which software are you using to chat in this forum right now ?
[04:46] <linux_mafia> xchat
[04:46] <wood1> I am using gaim
[04:46] <Blackwell> wood1: excellent, so your port 6667 is not blocked?
[04:46] <wood1> How many of you here use Gaim to access this chat forum ?
[04:46] <Blackwell> wood1: this is irc. not a forum.
[04:47] <Aoi> hi ya, I can't figure out how to setup my home network. I would like ubuntu act as my internet gateway for another 2 boxes. I have eth0 internet (sis), eth1(sis) and eth2(via). witch ip I need to set on eth1?
[04:47] <Pozac> in a way, it's also a forum
[04:47] <Pozac> there were fora (?) before there phpBB and the internets
[04:47] <Blackwell> Aoi: consider a little broadband router. that is more secure since there is less room for screwing up the security related config. you can still have the ubuntu box behind that nat router.
[04:47] <wood1> Blackwell, this is the only PC on my network which does not have the port 6667 blocked because it is used as a fax Server
[04:48] <Blackwell> wood1: yeah, i hear fax uses port 6667.
[04:48] <wood1> Pozax, I understand that this is not a forum
[04:48] <Blackwell> (kidding)
[04:48] <Aoi> Blacwell what do you think use a nat router and setup firestarter?
[04:48] <Pozac> Aoi, Use a class C adress, like <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:48] <wood1> So is there a way out to access this chatroom from my other Network PCs?
[04:49] <rhodan> i'm trying to install mplayer following the FAQ off the ubuntu forum
[04:49] <Blackwell> Aoi: i don't know what firestarter is. but i mean do not use a pc for the first line of defense. it is too easy to screw the security related configuration up.
[04:49] <wood1> I have installed Ubuntu on all of my network pcs
[04:49] <Aoi> Pozac, how can I do it? eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> and my windowz box <IP_ADDRESS> ? (crossed over)
[04:49] <rhodan> but when i run  $ sudo apt-get install libpng-dev
[04:49] <Aoi> Blackwell, I see, firestarter is a iptables gui
[04:49] <rhodan> it says i need to specifically choose one to install
[04:49] <rhodan> any ideas
[04:49] <Pozac> Aoi, you need the 192.168 part, but otherwise ok
[04:49] <Aoi> I don't mind use ubuntu as the first line defense because it is dedicated
[04:50] <wood1> So Blackwell, is there a way to connect to this chatroom from my other PCs ?
[04:50] <Blackwell> Aoi: these routers cost something like usd30, 40. really worth their money.
[04:50] <linux_mafia> Aoi, read a gateway or nat howto
[04:50] <Kirsch> i know this may be a long shot, but i have an LG4500 (Verizon, USA) phone with a datacable, I know that in windows i was able to use it as a modem and dialup. Is there a way i can do this in Linux?
[04:50] <Blackwell> Aoi: more points to get it wrong than right, with a full blown operating system, in my opinion. but that's just me perhaps.
[04:50] <Aoi> Pozac, I can't figure out, ipconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> ? then I need to forward ipv4 ?
[04:50] <Pozac> I own a Linksys router. It's a 166mhz box that runs Linux :)
[04:50] <wood1> Blackwell, how do you mean by a six-pack ????
[04:51] <Blackwell> daisy chaining them works nicely :)
[04:51] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I've try to find at google but I couldn't find a "easy" one
[04:51] <Pozac> Aoi, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward i believe
[04:51] <Aoi> Blackwell, I see.
[04:51] <Blackwell> wood1: a friendly smile, a six-pack of beer on the admin's desk, that may be all you need to get over that port block. :)
[04:51] <Aoi> Pozac, oh just only it? wow nat rlz lol
[04:51] <wood1> Oh no
[04:52] <Aoi> wait, if I tur on eth1, my eth0 internet goes down
[04:53] <Aoi> I can't find a clear nat howto
[04:53] <Pozac> the interface is down? or just can't connect?
[04:53] <martin_> guys, in the terminal, when i want to use a command i have to first type gnome-terminal (and then) --help, for example. is there a way to make gnome-terminal a passive command or something?
[04:53] <Aoi> if eth1 up, eth0 can't connect
[04:53] <linux_mafia> Aoi, are they the same type of card?
[04:53] <Pozac> Aoi, Are you sure you want nat and not just ip masq?
[04:53] <wood1> hey guys and dolls, isn't there no way to connect to this chatroom from PCs whose port 6667 are blocked ?
[04:53] <Aoi> linux_mafia, yes
[04:53] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I have 2 sis and 1 via
[04:53] <Pozac> Aoi, bring eth1 up first
[04:54] <linux_mafia> Aoi, then you need aliases for the modules iirc
[04:54] <Aoi> 1 sis eth0, another sis eth1 (the via one I don't mind)
[04:54] <Aoi> modules iirc linux_mafia ? I don't understand O-o
[04:54] <Aoi> Pozac, eth1 up but not active let me test
[04:54] <martin_> guys, in the terminal, when i want to use a command i have to first type gnome-terminal (and then) --help, for example. is there a way to make gnome-terminal a passive command or something?....
[04:55] <Pozac> martin_, We don't understand your question
[04:56] <Pozac> martin_, How would you run a simple command like 'mount' instead of gnome-terminal (from the terminal?)
[04:56] <macewan> you mean something like: man tomboy
[04:56] <martin_> Pozac, you mean thats just the way it is in the terminal?
[04:56] <macewan> help instructions
[04:56] <wood1> Pozac, do you know a way to connect to this chatroom ?
[04:56] <martin_> Pozac, how about when i go to tty?
[04:56] <Aoi> pozac, if I turn on eth1, eth0 can't connect
[04:56] <wood1> macewan
[04:56] <Pozac> martin_, (and please don't just repeat it, it's not a nice thing to do like in real life)
[04:57] <martin_> Pozac, in real life if someone doesnt hear you, its the most logical thing to do...
[04:57] <Pozac> wood1, Dont known.. have your admin open up the port
[04:57] <Pozac> martin_, But we heard you
[04:57] <martin_> Pozac, ok sorry nevermind. i wont do that again
[04:58] <Pozac> martin_, what exactly do you need to do?
[04:59] <Pozac> clicking the terminal shortcut is the same action as running gnome-terminal
[04:59] <Pozac> Aoi, hmm
[05:00] <martin_> Pozac, im just trying to learn linux.. my first time
[05:00] <linux_mafia> Aoi, sorry was on phone, you there?
[05:00] <martin_> and typing gnome-terminal before each command can get really annoying
[05:00] <macewan> Pozac: You said earlier that compiling isn't needed on Ubuntu.
[05:00] <Pozac> martin_, it's ok, hang in there :)
[05:00] <martin_> isnt there a way to bypass it?
[05:01] <Pozac> martin_, you should _never_ need to type gnome-terminal
[05:01] <Aoi> linux_mafia, yes
[05:01] <martin_> but Pozac, if for example i type --help in the terminal window, it says unkown command
[05:01] <macewan> Pozac: why is it not needed?
[05:01] <martin_> only if i type gnome-terminal --help it works
[05:01] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I'm trying to figure out how to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[05:01] <Pozac> martin_, --help is not a command :) mount is a command
[05:02] <martin_> oh.
[05:02] <linux_mafia> Aoi, ok, i havent done this for ever, but basically, you cant have the same module used for 2 pieces of hardware
[05:02] <grelli> I'm running hoary right now, and there seems to be a dependancy issue with things needing python 2.3, and 2.4 being standard in ubuntu.  I know hoary is development and I shouldn't be whining, but is there a way to fix that?
[05:02] <martin_> Pozac, where can i get a list of commands then?
[05:02] <Aoi> linux_mafia, I'm used to "su -"
[05:02] <Pozac> martin_, type ls /usr/bin
[05:02] <Aoi> linux_mafia, oh I see, what I'm supposed to do in my case?
[05:02] <Aoi> linux_mafia, eth are loading ok, but I can't figure out how to setup it
[05:03] <martin_> it says no such directory, Pozac
[05:03] <Pozac> martin_, In linux (unix) all executable files are in /bin and /usr/bin
[05:03] <Pozac> note the slash / .. not \ like windows
[05:03] <pw> Pozac: that's not right; what about /usr/X11R6/bin
[05:03] <pw> ?
[05:04] <Pozac> pw, true.. and the rest of $PATH
[05:04] <macewan> Pozac: I guess because the packages can be retrieved via apt-get? :)
[05:04] <martin_> well it says theres no such directory Pozac
[05:04] <martin_> although ls works
[05:04] <Pozac> martin_, why are you typing commands? what do you want to do?
[05:04] <crimsun> grelli: you should not be whining :)
[05:05] <Pozac> Otherwise, you really should be clicking around in ubuntu's gorgeus Gnome :)
[05:05] <crimsun> grelli: for the most part, the transition to python2.4 is going smoothly
[05:05] <mojo> ala
[05:05] <mojo> x-mas is close
[05:05] <pw> jingle bells
[05:05] <mojo> merry x-mas all ubuntu-users and developers
[05:05] <macewan> not everyone celebrates christmas
[05:05] <Blackwell> i wonder how long it will take for that x-mas thing to turn sour this year. :)
[05:05] <grelli> crimsun there just seems to be a few packages that still depend on 2.3
[05:06] <Pozac> macewan, sorry, the packages can.. from the wiki FAQ
[05:06] <mojo> I'm not christian but I still celebrate x-mas for the sake of all ppl
[05:06] <Blackwell> i predict one more day until people start with their yearly "yeah, yeah, f*cking happy x-crap, move on ffs..." ;)
[05:06] <etorix> e crimsun
[05:06] <Pozac> macewan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:06] <martin_> Pozac, i want to learn how to use linux through commands, not through graphics...
[05:06] <martin_> i can do that through windows
[05:06] <Pozac> martin_, then you need to read
[05:06] <Pozac> hehe
[05:06] <martin_> Pozac, thats why i asked where can i read
[05:06] <pw> martin_: It might be an idea for you to get a good Linux boox.
[05:07] <pw> er.
[05:07] <pw> Book.
[05:07] <Pozac> yah
[05:07] <pw> Try "Running Linux".
[05:07] <Blackwell> martin_: it helps to have some gui to get something going and working at all. believe me...you cannot avoid "OS sex" with linux. ;)
[05:07] <Blackwell> martin_: hell, not even os x manages to keep the unix backend away from you.
[05:08] <macewan> linux.org may have links to such things martin_
[05:08] <Pozac> linuxdoc.org perhaps
[05:09] <pw> martin_: If you really, really, really want to "learn linux" then you should install Linux From Scratch.
[05:09] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[05:09] <pw> None of that wussy hand-holding "distribution" nonsense.
[05:09] <etorix> o'reilly is always good
[05:09] <Blackwell> martin_: if available to you, consider installing linux in a vmware environment. allows for quickly testing various distros, etc. without any risk of destroying your existing pc configuration.
[05:09] <crimsun> re etorix
[05:09] <etorix> e
[05:09] <crimsun> grelli: patience, patience :)
[05:09] <etorix>  im on a ubuntu x64
[05:10] <grelli> crimsun I know, I've used debian for years
[05:10] <wood1> Ok bye to all
[05:10] <crimsun> bye wood1
[05:10] <wood1> bye
[05:10] <etorix> apt doesnt like my xfce4 sources
[05:10] <Pozac> good luck, wood1
[05:10] <wood1> Cheers to Ubuntu and this Chat room
[05:10] <mknisely> Looking for assistance installing a Sonicwall Long Range Wireless Card.
[05:10] <Pozac> Getting closer.. the term is channel :)
[05:11] <micsch> what happens if i uninstall ubuntu-desktop?
[05:11] <grelli> I know how things get
[05:11] <Pozac> micsch, nothing
[05:11] <micsch> realy
[05:11] <Pozac> micsch, ubuntu-desktop just depends on what the ubuntu desktop should contain
[05:11] <Pozac> so if you only remove that, it shouldnt change anything
[05:11] <crimsun> etorix: how is it complaining?
[05:11] <Pozac> unless the devs change how they want the desktop to be
[05:11] <mknisely> Can anyone assist with installing a Sonicwall Long Range Wireless card?
[05:11] <etorix> i tell a lie .. it sees it
[05:12] <Pozac> I had to uninstall ubuntu-desktop to install totem-xine
[05:12] <etorix> unless xfce4x64 is in ubuntu
[05:13] <mknisely> Soniwall Wirelss (802.11b) install help needed...
[05:15] <micsch> http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[05:15] <etorix> ok .. it was giving a ign at the beginning .. but its ok now
[05:16] <pw> http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/SenaoCard
[05:17] <pw> that may point you in the right direction viz: what the card really is
[05:17] <mknisely> the linux-wlan makes no mention of a Sonicwall Card.
[05:17] <pw> on the face of it, it looks like it's a prism2 based card.
[05:17] <mknisely> I know that it has a Prism2 chip.
[05:18] <mknisely> I must drop.... will return.
[05:19] <macewan> anyone upgraded to the latest alsa for sound blaster card use with 2.6.8?
[05:20] <etorix> o0o-er .. wot .. no gkrellm
[05:25] <garcia79> hi to all. why i cannot login as root? everytime i have to login as user and type "su" and password...
[05:25] <usual> garcia79, sudo
[05:26] <etorix> its not a bug .. its a feature ..  apparently
[05:26] <garcia79> i use sudo to do some operations on the system, but i use su to change to root...
[05:27] <usual> sudo -s
[05:27] <etorix> theres a howto in the manual
[05:27] <garcia79> sudo -s? oh thanks usual and etorix
[05:27] <usual> garcia79, sudo -s will drop you into a root shell
[05:27] <Aoi> Pozac^AFK, thanks dude, I had sucessfully set up
[05:28] <garcia79> i understand...thanks!
[05:29] <garcia79> i have another stupid ;-) question.
[05:30] <garcia79> how can i connect to the internet. I'm not kidding! i used pppoeconf to configure my connection ADSL, but now i' dont know how to connect...
[05:31] <usual> dunno
[05:31] <usual> i use cable
[05:31] <garcia79> excuse for my english
[05:31] <Gwildor|Work> my dsl just......worked
[05:31] <martin_> garcia79, are you using a router?
[05:31] <etorix> tried pon
[05:32] <Pozac> garcia79, does network-admin work?
[05:32] <garcia79> i think that my adsl modem is not a router...
[05:32] <garcia79> i try to explain me better....
[05:33] <garcia79> now i'm on line using ubuntu with my dsl modem
[05:33] <Pozac> garcia79, my adsl modem run DHCP, so I just use dhcpcd on my WAN interface :)
[05:34] <martin_> Pozac, i used synaptic to get codecs are whatever for music player to play mp3
[05:34] <martin_> i updated and installed whats it called hmmm...
[05:35] <garcia79> but i don't know how to connect... what command from terminal? i know it is a stupid question. i'm connceted but i don't now how i did
[05:35] <Pozac> martin_, I use xmms for mp3
[05:35] <martin_> well gst something
[05:35] <martin_> anyhow..
[05:35] <crimsun> martin_: gstreamer0.8-mad?
[05:35] <Pozac> garcia79, ifup eth0 perhaps?
[05:35] <martin_> crimsun, thats the one
[05:35] <martin_> :)
[05:36] <garcia79> no....
[05:36] <Pozac> gstreamer-mad enables rhythmbox and beep-media-player to play mp3s
[05:36] <crimsun> garcia79: pon ...?
[05:37] <martin_> now when i try to run music player, it gives me this error: failed to create the player: couldnt initialise scheduler gst-register?
[05:38] <martin_> crimsun*
[05:38] <garcia79> pon, yes... i build on the desktop a launcher for pon. but i was not sure...wait a moment please...
[05:38] <Pozac> garcia79, use the modem applet :)
[05:38] <martin_> pozac, any idea why it would give me that error?
[05:39] <Pozac> martin_, try running gst-register-0.8 in the terminal
[05:39] <martin_> heh thanks
[05:39] <martin_> :)
[05:39] <Pozac> np ;)
[05:40] <martin_> pozac, if i want to get bittorrent or bittornado for linux, how can i do that?
[05:40] <Pozac> martin_, it's in apt :)
[05:41] <martin_> synaptic?
[05:41] <Pozac> yep
[05:41] <crimsun> just Search for bittorrent, select it, then Apply
[05:41] <martin_> gui stands for graphic user interface?
[05:42] <Pozac> yep
[05:42] <Pozac> or sudo apt-get install bittorrent in terminal :)
[05:43] <martin_> whats this sudo thing?
[05:43] <martin_> i mean where does it come from?
[05:43] <martin_> or what does it represent
[05:43] <crimsun> it comes from OpenBSD
[05:44] <Pozac> SUperuser DO
[05:44] <crimsun> it allows you to run a command as a different user, by default the root user
[05:44] <martin_> oh cool
[05:44] <martin_> why do i want to run a command as a different user?
[05:44] <Pozac> you need to be in /etc/sudoers
[05:44] <Pozac> martin_, superuser
[05:44] <martin_> what are these etc/ libraries
[05:44] <crimsun> it's akin to the su(1) command but provides a command audit trail
[05:44] <martin_> i dont understand how these things work
[05:45] <Pozac> martin_, in /etc lies configuration files
[05:45] <Pozac> martin_, for easy backing up
[05:45] <martin_> ok . . .
[05:45] <crimsun> martin_: Ubuntu does not configure the 'root' user's account by default in an attempt to foster more secure administration methods
[05:45] <martin_> man isnt there a walkthrough for linux with all the commands and what you hsould start with?
[05:45] <martin_> whats this root thing
[05:45] <riffic> hey I figured out the resolution problem I was having yesterday
[05:45] <martin_> ?
[05:45] <Pozac> not really...
[05:46] <riffic> I edited xorg.conf for the monitor refresh rate settings..
[05:46] <Pozac> linux is generally not a toy, you need a purpose :)
[05:46] <paulproteus> martin_: http://www.physics.ubc.ca/mbelab/computer/linux-intro/html/ might help you
[05:46] <crimsun> martin_: therefore you'd preface a command with sudo to run the command as root, since many system administration tasks require root privileges
[05:46] <riffic> but I guess XFree86.conf takes precedence
[05:46] <riffic> and it needed the settings too
[05:46] <Pozac> Eating time. Later. :)
[05:46] <riffic> so if anyone cares that's how I fixed
[05:47] <Blackwell> riffic: document
[05:47] <martin_> cool .
[05:47] <Blackwell> that's the shame of irc, nothing of it goes into the archives, such as google and co. ;|
[05:47] <paulproteus> martin_: There's a lot of documentation out there on the web.  Googling is helpful.
[05:47] <paulproteus> Blackwell: That's why the most successful channels have wikis tied to them. :)
[05:48] <crimsun> Blackwell: bots can log if necessary, though we encourage wiki and mailing list use first and foremost
[05:48] <Blackwell> paulproteus: hm, feeding the logs into those wikis?
[05:48] <paulproteus> Blackwell: No, having users document what they discover on wikis.
[05:48] <Blackwell> who is actually sitting down and doing that kind of work? a few power helpers do, that's it in my experience. :|
[05:49] <paulproteus> Blackwell: Yeah, guess that's true.
[05:49] <crimsun> Blackwell: thus it is _everyone's_ job to encourage wiki and mailing list use
[05:49] <paulproteus> Blackwell: #joiito has a bot that lets any user blog.
[05:49] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone here know anyting about gnomemeeting?
[05:49] <paulproteus> Like:
[05:49] <Blackwell> paulproteus: and they actually do that? i can tell that the majority of the java newbie bozos don't give a funk. of course...they are only interested in getting their homework done and over with. ;)
[05:49] <paulproteus> ?blog I got (thing) to work by reading (URL)
[05:50] <paulproteus> Blackwell: Well, #joiito is a social channel, not a tech channel.
[05:50] <Blackwell> paulproteus: hm. "pubic hair is explained at ..."? ;) just kidding.
[05:50] <Blackwell> yay if it works. i have seen to many leeches on irc.
[05:52] <martin_> paulproteus, thanks.
[05:52] <martin_> xskoulax|zzzz, music workin well :)
[05:53] <martin_> paulproteus, i used synapt to get bittorent and installed it... how do i know where it is installed and how do i run it>
[05:53] <tck> has anyone used an infra-red device with warty ?
[05:53] <paulproteus> martin_: If you click on a dot-torrent file in Firefox it will open with BitTorrent.
[05:54] <Findeton> hi!
[05:54] <usual> man gstreamer sucks
[05:54] <amathis> what is a good program for scanning"?
[05:54] <Findeton> i got ubuntu installed
[05:54] <martin_> paulproteus, ok thanks... but how do i know where its installed?
[05:54] <paulproteus> In Synaptic, you can find the file list for a package.
[05:54] <crimsun> martin_: the Python scripts are installed into /usr/bin, as most executables and scripts are
[05:54] <Findeton> and, well, when i installed mldonkey... it got the 2.5-21 version, which is totally broken
[05:54] <paulproteus> Files in directories with "bin" in them are program parts.
[05:55] <Findeton> i installed via synaptic, i mean
[05:55] <Findeton> ...
[05:55] <martin_> crimsun, how do i get into those libraries?
[05:55] <paulproteus> btdownloadgui is the most straightforward to understand.
[05:55] <paulproteus> martin_: You run it on a terminal, like:
[05:55] <linux_mafia> amathis, scanning what?
[05:55] <paulproteus> btdownloadgui /path/to/file.torrent
[05:55] <amathis> linux_mafia: with a scanner o.,o
[05:56] <Findeton> i think the mldonkey version of ubuntu should be upgraded to a new one
[05:56] <linux_mafia> amathis, ok, was thinking nmap, use xsane
[05:56] <Findeton> ;)
[05:56] <Findeton> 2.5-28h for example
[05:56] <martin_> btdownloadgui? whats that?
[05:57] <etorix> an alternative to btdownloadcurses
[05:58] <martin_> that doesnt tell me much :)
[05:58] <crimsun> martin_: it has a graphical interface as opposed to a command line curses-based one.
[05:58] <crimsun> martin_: a window, icons, etc.
[05:59] <martin_> ah ok...
[05:59] <martin_> well thanks guys , bbl.
[05:59] <crimsun> martin_: ncurses is a terminal-based library, hence it's used for command-line applications
[06:00] <amathis> how can I see what devices ( usb) are connected to my puter'
[06:01] <crimsun> lsusb(1) reports all usb devices
[06:01] <crimsun> from that you can deduce which are connected
[06:01] <crimsun> there's also a program called usbview
[06:02] <crimsun> (in universe)
[06:02] <amathis> ugh
[06:02] <amathis> wtf
[06:02] <amathis> this scanner is hooked up
[06:02] <amathis> but xsane cannot figure it out :(
[06:02] <amathis> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:0801 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 7400c
[06:11] <fender> tha_game|away:had any luck with dvdrip?
[06:12] <bassinboy> Chibifs?
[06:13] <fender> tha_game|away: did you find any infromation on dvdrip or any other program that could take audio from a dvd.
[06:14] <lkerscher> hi @ all
[06:14] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:14] <pisuke> http://kwiki.ffii.org/Cons041221En :)
[06:15] <fender> tha_game|away: are you there?
[06:15] <DoktorTomoe> Hi
[06:15] <lkerscher> i have a question: can I copy this sources (http://www.entropia.de/cms/pub/Main/LinuxStartSeite/sources.list.stable.internet) in my souces.list from ubuntu without any problems?
[06:16] <DoktorTomoe> Anyone knows what "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format" means?
[06:17] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: what gave you that error?
[06:17] <DoktorTomoe> hm, i tried to modprobe ndiswrapper (to get wlan)
[06:18] <lkerscher> hello?
[06:18] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: you're running Hoary?
[06:18] <crimsun> lkerscher: one sec.
[06:18] <DoktorTomoe> crimsun: Yes
[06:18] <lkerscher> okay thanks
[06:18] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: checked bugzilla?
[06:19] <DoktorTomoe> crimsun: Where can I find it?
[06:19] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: linked from the Ubuntu web site
[06:19] <anir> hey guys where can i get linspire??
[06:19] <crimsun> anir: from Linspire's home page, of course.
[06:19] <DoktorTomoe> Blackwell: I'm just trying to get this machine working :)
[06:19] <anir> crimsun: i am looking for a free distro
[06:19] <adbak> anir: ubuntu is a free distro
[06:20] <fender> need some help with extracting audio from a dvd, asked same question yesterday, some help offered from tha_game|away, but he doesn't seem to be online at the moment.
[06:20] <anir> crimsun: i have to pay for linspire...why??
[06:20] <crimsun> lkerscher: um, no, you cannot use that list in your sources.list without breaking many, many things.
[06:20] <anir> adbak: can i get linspire for free?
[06:20] <lkerscher> hm fuck
[06:20] <lkerscher> and any party of thislist?
[06:21] <crimsun> fender: do you have mplayer installed?
[06:21] <adbak> anir: i have no clue, but go to distrowatch.com and there's a little drop-down menu.  find linspire on it and it will tell you the website for linspire
[06:21] <Blackwell> anir: some companies make money off of putting together a very ease to use linux distribution. if you don't want to pay for them, that's ok.
[06:21] <fender> can't get mplayer to work, or dvdrip or transcode or fffmpeg, real problem i'm having.
[06:22] <anir> adbek: i searched.. it charges $20.. but i am from India.. so its impossible for me to pay
[06:22] <crimsun> lkerscher: it's not a good idea to randomly add sources.
[06:22] <anir> hey all u linux guys listen..
[06:22] <lkerscher> okay so I have to search some promgrams manually?
[06:22] <crimsun> lkerscher: furthermore, those aren't necessary for Ubuntu, which includes most of those packages in either main, universe, or multiverse repos
[06:23] <anir> i have seen some problems with linux...
[06:23] <fender> can't get mplayer to work, or dvdrip or transcode or fffmpeg, real problem i'm having.
[06:23] <anir> you guys should look into these
[06:23] <crimsun> lkerscher: you should enable the universe and multiverse repos in Synaptic if you want some of those packages. Ubuntu already includes most of them.
[06:23] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[06:23] <anir> why Linux uses multiple GUI???
[06:23] <[Phaedrus] > i have a question
[06:24] <lkerscher> hm and how to do that?
[06:24] <crimsun> lkerscher: that package list was written for Debian Woody. Ubuntu Warty is much newer than Debian Woody.
[06:24] <[Phaedrus] > anyone have any idea how to setup a Motorola SM56 PCI modem in ubuntu?
[06:24] <adbak> crimsun: for multiverse do you just copy the universe repo and replace uni- with multi-?
[06:24] <[Phaedrus] > it seems that ubuntu recognises it under 'device settings'
[06:24] <crimsun> lkerscher: follow the instructions for Restricted formats on the wiki.
[06:24] <anir> listen to me..
[06:24] <adbak> anir: for choices.  some people like one over another.  some work better on older machines
[06:24] <Blackwell> anir: because people can't agree on a single one. if you want less choice, consider sticking to windows or better mac.
[06:24] <lkerscher> okay
[06:24] <lkerscher> thank you
[06:24] <crimsun> adbak: you could do that, sure. You can also enable it in Synaptic.
[06:25] <anir> i am not talking about me only.. i am talking about the average home users..
[06:25] <adbak> crimsun: but there is no multiverse repo when you install ubuntu.  you have to manually add it
[06:25] <crimsun> the average home user will be pleased with GNOME 2.8
[06:25] <crimsun> hence its selection as a default desktop for Warty
[06:25] <anir> many of home pc users dont want to install linux because its less  user friendly..
[06:25] <crimsun> adbak: that's the idea
[06:26] <crimsun> adbak: it shouldn't be "installed" by default. A small subset of fully-supported packages is good.
[06:26] <anir> the question is not Independence to CHOOSE its independence to NOT have to choose
[06:26] <crimsun> anir: GNOME 2.8 is hardly user-friendly.
[06:27] <adbak> crimsun: yes, i agree, i was just trying to say that i can't enable it in synaptic cuz i don't have it in my sources.list
[06:27] <crimsun> err, user-unfriendly.
[06:27] <crimsun> adbak: it should be in your sources.list by default, just commented out
[06:27] <Blackwell> anir: if you don't want to choose, there are options you can...erh...choose that are good for that state of mind.
[06:28] <DoktorTomoe> crimsun: this ndiswrapper problem is not mentioned in bugzilla. Given the information I have is relatively small ("does not work"), is in really good to file a bug report?
[06:28] <lkerscher> sorry but which is that wiki-adress?
[06:28] <adbak> anir: linux, in general, may be less user-friendly, but that gap is quickly being closed.  not to mention some (avg home users) are scared off because of the learning curve. they're used to their windows
[06:28] <crimsun> lkerscher: also linked from Ubuntu's web site.
[06:28] <Blackwell> anir: you may have "standardization" in mind. i agree that standardization in the way of windows and mac os x is important and good. but you won't find many fans of that among unix people.
[06:28] <Blackwell> bsd people on the other hand....enjoy the fruits of standardization every single day, too.
[06:28] <crimsun> DoktorTomoe: it's your call, really, but Hoary _is_ a moving target, and things are expected to break. You could wait a couple days and see if linux-image-2.6.9-1-386 is updated again.
[06:29] <anir> crimsun: see .. an average user dont want to keep trying a newer version of OS everyother day.... what i get in KDE i get diferent feel in GNOME..
[06:29] <crimsun> anir: do you expect the average user to try every available desktop environment?
[06:30] <crimsun> anir: or do you think (s)he will stick with one that works, one that is aesthetically-pleasing, and one that is efficient?
[06:30] <crimsun> anir: for instance, by choosing to try both KDE and GNOME, you've already crossed outside the definition of the "average" home user. Your expectations of the "average" home user thus are irrelevant.
[06:31] <anir> crimsun:..indeed they dont..well i want to solve problems with the computer.. not create.. right..
[06:31] <DoktorTomoe> anir: What exactly is your problem in choosing one of the GUIs?
[06:31] <DoktorTomoe> anir: Just choose the one which most of the applications you want to use are written for. That's KDE for me,
[06:32] <[Phaedrus] > anyone have any idea how to setup a Motorola SM56 PCI modem in ubuntu?
[06:32] <anir> crimsun: thats what i am trying to say.. i am confused which one suits me best..there are so many linux os.. but without any stahdard..like for eg.. windows or OS x uses only one GUI
[06:32] <DoktorTomoe> anir: I didn't want to sound harsh or impolite, but I really do not understand your problem...
[06:33] <Blackwell> anir: that is the problem with linux. if you don't like so much choice...there isn't much that can be done about it.
[06:34] <anir> doktortomoe: i am trying 3 different linux os from last one week or so.. in search of which one suits me best.. but why should i invest all the time??
[06:34] <anir> blackwell: do u think its good?
[06:34] <DoktorTomoe> anir: If you actually have been trying 3 different distributions (please do not call them OS), why have you done it?
[06:35] <anir> coz this time i had the time..why should someone who is busy like hell should do it doktortomoe