[00:18] <tsimonq2> nacc: *takes this here* so I've been told upload NOTHING during freezes (prospective MOTU :P), is it an exception if seeded-in-ubuntu doesn't find anything, or do I still just not upload?
[00:18] <teward> tsimonq2: FFe policies
[00:19] <tsimonq2> teward: Which I'm asking about.
[00:19] <teward> exceptions are security issues, bugfix-only, no version bumps.
[00:19] <teward> FFe process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess  |  FeatureFreeze details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[00:19] <nacc> tsimonq2: it does depend on which freeze you mean
[00:19] <teward> tsimonq2: FeatureFreeze, it needs approval by the release team I think it is to 'accept new features for a package.
[00:20] <teward> final freeze is ***really*** really restrictive
[00:20] <teward> and usually nothing is touched then
[00:20] <tsimonq2> Confused after RTFMing: seeded-in-ubuntu - Determine whether a package is safe to upload during a freeze
[00:20] <teward> tsimonq2: depending on *which* freeze, depends on the true answer
[00:20] <teward> on Thurs, I think, we start FeatureFreeze
[00:20] <teward> and FFe policies go into effect
[00:20] <nacc> tsimonq2: yeah, i think that manpage probably needs an update too :)
[00:21] <teward> ^ this
[00:21] <teward> tsimonq2: #ubuntu-motu would also be a valid place to ask this, though it's far less active
[00:21] <tsimonq2> teward: Ok, yeah, I thought this seemed like a releasey question :P
[00:21] <teward> tsimonq2: well, true, but still
[00:22]  * teward is more concerned about Perl holding **everything** up
[00:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flatpak [source] (yakkety-proposed) [0.8.2-1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[00:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ostree [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2016.15-2ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[00:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gtk+3.0 [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.18.9-1ubuntu3.2]
[00:59] <jbicha> RAOF: are you willing to accept bubblewrap, ostree and flatpak as new packages into xenial too?
[01:01] <RAOF1> jbicha: I'm not able to do that, sorry. Need a fully-fledged AA to do NEW.
[01:04] <jbicha> who are the real AAs then? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members
[01:07] <RAOF1> Both slangasek and infinity are real AAs and have been recently active :)
[01:08]  * RAOF1 really should get to fully-fledged AA.
[01:12] <slangasek> jbicha: what's the rationale for these as new SRUs in xenial?
[01:20] <jbicha> slangasek: it's basically the same rationale as snap in trusty: it's a way to get new apps on a stable release
[01:29] <jbicha> I'm trying to SRU chrome-gnome-shell too, for trusty and xenial bug 1652537
[01:33] <slangasek> jbicha: ok, but snapd is part of the core Ubuntu platform in xenial and later; providing consistency with that would seem to have a bit more value in an SRU than $arbitrary_app_store?
[01:35] <jbicha> slangasek: Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 includes flatpak now
[01:36] <slangasek> jbicha: and are there things you currently go through cumbersome SRUs of that you would propose to provide instead via flatpak?
[01:37] <mdeslaur> rbasak, nacc: thanks!
[01:37] <slangasek> SRUing of snapd into trusty is a win because it means we can reduce the number of process-heavy SRU exceptions
[01:38] <jbicha> The Flatpak maintainer asked if I could get flatpak into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS as they would like Flatpak 0.8 to be available in all LTS distros
[01:38] <jbicha> currently, they are recommending xenial users use a PPA to get flatpak: http://flatpak.org/getting.html
[01:43] <jbicha> honestly, I don't really use snap or flatpak; the target audience isn't someone who runs the Ubuntu development release
[01:43] <jbicha> many GNOME apps are available via flatpak but I don't think are in the snap store yet and obviously the latest stable GNOME is not going to be SRU'd to xenial
[01:48] <slangasek> jbicha: right.  I don't think I see any reason that this should be disallowed in xenial, but I also don't see any reason to prioritize it relative to SRUs of existing packages
[01:49] <jbicha> sure, I can wait
[01:50] <jbicha> I've been working on it since December but 2 bubblewrap security bugs had to be fixed in yakkety first
[01:50] <jbicha> how about chrome-gnome-shell, which should be in -updates before Firefox 52 gets there next month?
[01:53] <slangasek> jbicha: I don't understand, what's the relationship between those two things?
[01:58] <jbicha> because Firefox 52 drops support for browser plugins so this is the workaround
[01:58] <jbicha> the package name is unfortunate but it implement the chrome webextension api and was originally for chrome/chromium
[02:02] <slangasek> jbicha: so what existing functionality is this replacing that will regress when firefox 52 drops?
[02:04] <jbicha> does bug 1652537 answer your question?
[02:05] <slangasek> jbicha: got it, thanks
[02:22] <powersj>  /quit
[02:22] <powersj> woops :P
[06:12] <ginggs> apw: please check rev 2195 in your hints file, should be armhf ther instead of s390x
[06:26] <apw> ginggs, bah fixed
[06:27] <ginggs> apw: thanks
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lorene [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
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[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lorene [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-scrapy-djangoitem [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.1-1]
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lorene [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lorene [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lorene [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lorene [i386] (zesty-proposed) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lorene [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [0.0.0~cvs20161116+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[08:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted budgie-wallpapers [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [17.04]
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: makedumpfile (xenial-proposed/main) [1:1.5.9-5ubuntu0.3 => 1:1.5.9-5ubuntu0.4] (core)
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: npd6 [amd64] (zesty-proposed/none) [1.1.0-1] (no packageset)
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[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.1.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted makedumpfile [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:1.5.9-5ubuntu0.4]
[11:24] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: I've updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gce-compute-image-packages/+bug/1662491 to add a test for the other udev rule.
[11:24] <Odd_Bloke> Which happens to be most of a fix for another issue GCE have filed. \o/
[11:30] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: Hmm, actually, the rest of the fix is just dropping a file in /etc/rsyslog.d, so I think it's probably worth doing that as part of this SRU rather than having to do all the busywork again.
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted npd6 [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[11:35] <Laney> were .manifest files always served up as application/x-ms-manifest?
[11:36] <Trevinho> hi rbasak, can you please unqueue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libappindicator ?
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution-ews [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.18.5-1ubuntu1]
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution-ews [source] (yakkety-proposed) [3.22.3-0ubuntu1]
[11:49] <Laney> am I going mad?
[11:49] <Laney> It looks like unity8 isn't installable in zesty
[11:49] <Laney> can someone confirm?
[11:54] <apw> Laney, i have it installed, if that counts any
[11:55] <Laney> apw: Probably a component-mismatch
[11:56] <Laney> Although
[11:56] <apw> oh that likely
[11:57] <apw> though if you mean in -proposed, then ... i am not helping :)
[11:57] <Laney> wtf
[11:58] <Laney> apw: Do you have the newest version?
[11:58] <apw> Laney, from zesty-release yes
[11:58] <Odd_Bloke> Same here.
[11:58] <apw> unity8 is already the newest version (8.15+17.04.20170206-0ubuntu1).
[11:59] <Laney> As far as I can see unity8-common has Depends: unity-application-impl-26 which doesn't exist
[12:00] <Laney> Oh, unity8-tests in zesty/universe
[12:00] <Laney> eww
[12:01] <apw> oh did something move from main to universe while installed on your box perhaps
[12:02] <jbicha> Laney: bug 1662608 and https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/02/07/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t16:45 :)
[12:02] <Laney> Right, but I didn't link that to a component mismatch
[12:03] <apw> Laney, hehe that was you :)
[12:03] <apw> quite how it got out of -proposed with that though
[12:06] <Laney> at a guess, the thing doesn't deal with provides
[12:11] <infinity> How is that bug still in the archive? :/
[12:11] <infinity> I've been avoiding upgrading to not pull all that crap in.
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (xenial-proposed/main) [229-4ubuntu16 => 229-4ubuntu17] (core)
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected systemd [source] (xenial-proposed) [229-4ubuntu17]
[12:14] <infinity> Laney: Can you escalate and/or jfdi a fix for that bug?  Pulling in the whole X dev stack on upgrade is unpleasant, to say the least.
[12:14] <infinity> Oh, I see an MP from a week ago.
[12:14] <infinity> FFS.
[12:14] <Laney> I'm asking in #-ci-eng
[12:18] <jbicha> I set apt-mark hold on the unity8 tests because I didn't want that -dev stuff either :)
[12:19] <infinity> I've just been upgrading instead of dist-upgrading for now.
[12:19] <Laney> So it should be within a day, if this all-proposed run makes their tests go green
[12:20] <Laney> There are lots of other fixes bundled up with the one we want
[12:20] <Laney> The usual thing...
[12:23] <apw> won't it autoremove off again when the bits are fixed ?
[12:26] <infinity> In theory.
[12:27] <Laney> I don't know
[12:27] <infinity> Actually, no.
[12:27] <Laney> Will you be moved from one provider to another?
[12:27] <infinity> It won't.
[12:27] <Laney> I don't see how
[12:27] <infinity> Yeah, that.
[12:27] <apw> hrm, why so, that seems counter-intuitive
[12:27] <infinity> apw: It's not that it had a spurious dependency on foo-tests, it's that foo-tests and qtmir-thing both provide virtual-$version, but $version was wrong on qtmir.
[12:28] <infinity> apw: So, you got foo-tests instead.  When qtmir is fixed, foo-tests will stick around because it still satisfies the dep.
[12:30] <Laney> MMMmmmmmmmmmm
[12:30] <Laney> So there's a libmirplatform transition
[12:30] <Laney> qtmir -> miral -> libmirplatform
[12:30] <jbicha> bump the depends/provides to impl-27?
[12:30] <Laney> and miral FTBFS with a no-change rebuild against this new one
[12:30] <Laney> There's a new upstream release which works apparently
[12:32] <infinity> jbicha: Still wouldn't autoremove, it'd just upgrade unity8-tests to the one that provides the new virtual. :P
[12:33] <apw> crap, and my machine is already infected with this mess
[12:33] <apw> ii  unity8-tests:amd64
[12:33] <jbicha> drop the unity8-tests package and create a new unity8-tests-oops-our-bad package ;)
[12:33] <apw> so once i get a fixed unity (and a couple of pints of beer in compensation) i assume i can purge that one
[12:39] <infinity> apw: Yeah, manually removing unity8-tests should autoremove all the rest of the junk at least.
[12:39] <infinity> Manually removing it right now would also do very little harm, except for the bit where we have it in the desktop seed.
[12:40] <Laney> Saviq is OKing me just uploading a Provides switch
[12:40] <infinity> Which we never should have, IMO.  Should have been a separate meta, so people could whack it without consequence.
[12:40] <infinity> Laney: Say, why didn't we do that?
[12:41] <infinity> Wait...
[12:41] <infinity> Removing unity8 doesn't remove ubuntu-desktop.
[12:41] <infinity> I could have sworn it was in the desktop seed.
[12:41] <Laney> Recommends
[12:41] <infinity> Ahh.
[12:42] <infinity> Well, that's my solution then.
[12:42] <infinity> I was "dogfooding" it, but it's not like it's actually useful enough for me to do so.
[12:44]  * Laney LA LA LAs at the lintian errors in qtmir
[12:44]  * infinity purges libhybris too, to see what that takes with it.
[12:48] <Laney> there we go
[12:49] <Laney> I think this will not get involved with the mirplatform transition
[13:10] <Odd_Bloke> So what's the solution to get rid of unity8-tests?  Can I just remove it now?
[13:12] <Laney> If you wait for qtmir to migrate, then apt should offer to install (or upgrade) it when you try to remove unity8-tests
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> Right, whereas removing it now removes all of unity8.
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> OK, I shall wait.
[13:13] <Saviq> Laney, btw, can you please upload the same change to xenial overlay?
[13:15] <Laney> Saviq: sure, if that's allowed
[13:19] <Saviq> Laney, yeah, it is
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: postgresql-9.3 (trusty-proposed/main) [9.3.15-0ubuntu0.14.04 => 9.3.16-0ubuntu0.14.04] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted postgresql-9.3 [sync] (trusty-proposed) [9.3.16-0ubuntu0.14.04]
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[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: postgresql-9.5 (yakkety-proposed/main) [9.5.5-0ubuntu0.16.10 => 9.5.6-0ubuntu0.16.10] (core) (sync)
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted postgresql-9.5 [sync] (xenial-proposed) [9.5.6-0ubuntu0.16.04]
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted postgresql-9.5 [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [9.5.6-0ubuntu0.16.10]
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [4.10.0-8.10] (core, kernel)
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (xenial-proposed) [229-4ubuntu17]
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nano [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.5.3-2ubuntu2]
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.9]
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1:2.6.1+dfsg-0ubuntu5.3]
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.5.0+git1.656f8865-5ubuntu2.4]
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (yakkety-proposed) [0.5.0+git1.656f8865-5ubuntu7.2]
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libodb [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.4.0-1build0~16.04.1]
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libodb [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2.4.0-1build0~16.10.1]
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gce-compute-image-packages (yakkety-proposed/universe) [20160930-0ubuntu3~16.10.0 => 20160930-0ubuntu5~16.10.0] (ubuntu-cloud)
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gce-compute-image-packages (xenial-proposed/universe) [20160930-0ubuntu3~16.04.0 => 20160930-0ubuntu5~16.04.0] (ubuntu-cloud)
[14:48] <Odd_Bloke> If anyone has a moment, they could reject gce-compute-image-packages 20160930-0ubuntu4~16.10.0 from the yakkety queue and 20160930-0ubuntu3~16.04.1 from the xenial queue.
[14:50] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: And these are the new gce-compute-image-packages ^
[14:50] <arges> Odd_Bloke: sure
[14:51] <arges> Odd_Bloke: does that look correct now?
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gce-compute-image-packages [source] (xenial-proposed) [20160930-0ubuntu3~16.04.1]
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gce-compute-image-packages [source] (yakkety-proposed) [20160930-0ubuntu4~16.10.0]
[14:52] <Odd_Bloke> arges: Yep, thanks!
[15:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libappindicator (xenial-proposed/main) [12.10.1+15.04.20141110-0ubuntu1 => 12.10.1+16.04.20170215-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [4.10.0-8.10]
[15:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: blktap-dkms (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.0.93-0.5ubuntu1 => 2.0.93-0.7ubuntu2~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: broadcom-sta (xenial-proposed/multiverse) [<IP_ADDRESS>1-2 => <IP_ADDRESS>1-3~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[15:33] <jgrimm> arges, would you be able to process curtin from Xenial today?
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dm-writeboost (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.1.1-1 => 2.1.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dm-writeboost [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.1.1-1ubuntu1]
[15:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lttng-modules (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.7.1-1 => 2.8.0-1ubuntu1~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: oss4 (xenial-proposed/universe) [4.2-build2010-5 => 4.2-build2010-5ubuntu1~14.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted oss4 [source] (xenial-proposed) [4.2-build2010-5ubuntu1~14.04.1]
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xtables-addons (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.10-1build1 => 2.10-1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lttng-modules [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.8.0-1ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted blktap-dkms [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.0.93-0.7ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted broadcom-sta [source] (xenial-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>1-3~16.04.1]
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xtables-addons [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.10-1ubuntu0.1]
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libodb-boost (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-1 => 2.4.0-1build0~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libodb-boost (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-1 => 2.4.0-1build0~16.10.1] (no packageset)
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [i386] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [s390x] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [arm64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [armhf] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nginx [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.10.3-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[16:55] <teward> yes, unfortunately, package structure for nginx changed thanks to Debian and Dynamic Modules >.>
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-image (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.14+16.10ubuntu2 => 0.15+16.10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-image (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.14+16.04ubuntu2 => 0.15+16.04ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:44] <dmj_s76> infinity: No new iso this morning?
[17:44] <infinity> dmj_s76: Very shortly.  Just testing a build now.
[17:44] <infinity> Or, rather, it's building so I can test it.
[17:44] <dmj_s76> infinity: oh, great...we're eagerly waiting to test :)
[18:09] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: I'm EOD now; it would be lovely to wake up to gce-compute-image-packages packages in -proposed. ^_^
[18:31] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke: .changes file ended up with no bug references; having a look at this, probably just a no-change reupload from me
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[22:33] <wxl> infinity: what's new with the ISO?
[22:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: I thought HWE stuff but I could be wrong
[22:51] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah well knowing that is always helpful XD
[22:51] <wxl> if that's all it is, we'll mostly look at smoke testing
[22:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: I could have sworn there was a way we can just diff the freaking ISOs!
[22:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: well you could grab the manifest and diff them for sure
[22:52] <wxl> maybe i'll just do that. sigh. :)
[22:54] <wxl> of course the old manifest is overwritten :/
[22:54] <wxl> and all the flavours have already built soooooo
[22:55]  * tsimonq2 changes wxl's locale back to en_US from en_GB
[22:55] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:55] <wxl> no way man i use en_CA XD
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[23:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: Aw what really? :P
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[23:15] <slangasek> the manifest for the previous image would still be under the previous build serial
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[23:15] <slangasek> for images where the old one rotated off, well, not so much
[23:19] <wxl> tsimonq2: no. :)
[23:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Good. :P
[23:21] <wxl> slangasek: yeah it's weird cuz when i looked this morning there was both 20170209 and 20170208 but now there's just one.
[23:21] <slangasek> yes, they're expired based on age
[23:21] <wxl> booo
[23:21] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Where's the tooling that builds the images again?
[23:22] <slangasek> tsimonq2: which piece? lp:ubuntu-cdimage?
[23:22] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I mean the thing that builds the dailies.
[23:22] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Like, installs the packages and such.
[23:23] <slangasek> do you mean lp:livecd-rootfs?
[23:23] <tsimonq2> Maaaybe...
[23:23]  * tsimonq2 checks
[23:25] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Hm so it doesn't LOOK like it. Maybe I'm not looking right?
[23:26] <slangasek> well, I'm not sure which piece you're looking for
[23:26] <wxl> hold on
[23:26] <wxl> i think i can answer this
[23:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yes siree please do :)
[23:26] <slangasek> the chain is ubuntu-cdimage -> (launchpad-buildd -> livecd-rootfs -> live-build), debian-cd
[23:27] <tsimonq2> Ooh, mkay.
[23:27] <wxl> yeah that's what i was going to say based on the crontab


[00:10] <mkrieger> erichammond: great q; no snapshots happen on that box (we snapshot from a replica)
[03:33] <nOStahl> hi guys, I'd like to setup ubuntu cloud tonight, I have three IBM Thinkcentre towers
[03:33] <nOStahl> they do not support VT thoughso im told I need to use xen?
[03:34] <nOStahl> anyone have a guide for setting this up on 11.04 server
[12:27] <RoyK> hi all. is it currently possible to setup a sort of "mesh" of servers, as it is with vmware or hyper-v, without a central box  (and thus single point of failure) in front?


[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[17:58] <Roger_> I can see you, Locked on in Cambridge,UK
[17:59] <belkinsa> I see you!
[18:00] <who_me> hullo
[18:00] <theBest> See you too.
[18:01] <_nak> hi from Brum
[18:03] <belkinsa> Cable is better at times.  ;)
[18:04] <Roger_> Question   Your Thoughts on adverts in Firefox and did you sort out your noisey neighbours?
[18:04] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Ubuntu Pioneers sounds great! Will there be anything given to members of the core apps teams who have only contributed to core apps and not created their own apps?
[18:04] <theBest> QUESTION: Has every Phone/Tablet in the future the ability to run the "Desktop Mode" of Ubuntu or does it depend on the OEM?
[18:04] <Core__> QUESTION: pizza or lasagna? haha, just for fun.
[18:06] <Aki-Thinkpad> eyo
[18:06] <theBest> QUESTION: Is it true that there are coming Ubuntu Tablets this year?
[18:06] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Do you have a 14.10 image yet?
[18:07] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:08] <_nak> QUESTION: Ubuntu One - going, Development on 'Ubuntu for Android' has been dropped. Could 'Ubuntu for TV' be next?
[18:09] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Will you be redesigning the HUD at all for unity8, say to perhaps extend its functionality?
[18:10] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Which version of the Ubuntu Touch image do you run? eg stable, devel or devel-proposed?
[18:10] <un_wilson> @aky even restore the lost functionality will be good ;)
[18:11] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: What does Jono Bacon want to see as a feature that hasn't yet been planned, on the next ubuntu Tablet or Ubuntu desktop?
[18:11] <Roger_> Question  your tweet saying that there was a screaming chainsaw near you and you had been up with your poorly  little one.
[18:12] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: device images are on 14.10 now, yes
[18:12] <mhall119> on the "devel" channel
[18:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, should I install it tohelp test, report bugs, etc?
[18:12] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Asked this on April fools by accident do you mind answering again but more serious ;) As a company with a large amount of its workforce working from home, how do you as a company ensure that people are actually doing their work and what hours they have been working. Do you for example have a sign in/out, daily standups or task based performance?
[18:13] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: if you have a phone or tablet that's supported, we'd appreciate any testing and feedback we can get
[18:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, :( no phone yet
[18:13] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: there's a performant x86 emulator now that you can use to see what it's like
[18:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, you mean the one bundled into the sdk? Or is this something else?
[18:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> or a virtual machine?
[18:15] <un_wilson> Aki-Thinkpad he (she?) means this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08059.html
[18:15] <sebsebseb> Roger_: chainsaw,   that's reminded me of something,  right back to what I was doing outside IRC :D
[18:15] <Aki-Thinkpad> thanks
[18:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: What is Canonical going to do with all the infastructure purchased to help support Ubuntu One? Do you now have like 10,000 harddrives kicking about?
[18:16] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: with the SDK
[18:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, ah okay
[18:16] <pulu90_> QUESTION: Was opening Ubuntu one sources obvious, or was there discussion about that?
[18:17] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: well, the QtCreator plugin currently makes armhf emulators, but it will be able to make x86 images soon
[18:17] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: in the mean time you can make one via the commandline
[18:19] <belkinsa> QUESTION: What is on your cup?
[18:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Vim or Emacs?
[18:20] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Putting LInux to the side  in answer to this question :d ,   what BSD version would you use and why?
[18:23] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Any tips on how to keep your focus and on task when programming for long hours? Energy Drinks? Music? Sitting on one of those blue exercise balls?
[18:24] <vasil_> QUESTION:Why did is the unknown display still in ubuntu 14.04
[18:24] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: don't, if you focus only on programming for long hours you can't see the forest for the trees, I recommend getting up and going for a 30 minute walk, it helps clear your mind
[18:25] <vasil_> QUESTION:Who is your favorite nintando character
[18:25] <mhall119> jono's team spends all day on Google+, Reddit and IRC :)
[18:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> ha ha
[18:25] <Sefa_> :D
[18:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, interesting advice
[18:26] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: I'd seriously recommend staying away from the energy drinks though, those things are terrible for you
[18:26] <mhall119> coffee is a lesser evil
[18:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> mhall119, coffee included?
[18:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> ah
[18:26] <mhall119> my evil of choice
[18:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> ive never tried an energy drink, but I figure there must be a secret food that is healthy
[18:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> like avacados
[18:27] <vasil_> Aki-Thinkpad ,
[18:27] <vasil_> try coffe
[18:27] <Aki-Thinkpad> coffe?
[18:27] <vasil_> yes coofe
[18:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> coofe?
[18:28] <Sefa_> Yeah coffe
[18:28] <vasil_> *coffe
[18:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> o_o
[18:28] <_nak> QUESTION: Have any of the mainstream apps like Whatsapp, Instagram, Viber been submitted to the Click App Store?
[18:28] <mhall119> Aki-Thinkpad: no secret food, just eat good food
[18:28] <caglar> hi guys
[18:28] <vasil_> energy drinks are like juice with a heart attack
[18:29] <mhall119> vasil_: lol
[18:29] <Sefa_> Me too
[18:29] <vasil_>  mhall119 : :)
[18:30] <caglar> bizden kimse var mı bi ben mi takılıyorum burada :D
[18:31] <vasil_> QUESTION:Do you use nano
[18:33] <vasil_> QUESTION:Can you code with assembly/assembler
[18:33] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  WHat kind of t-shirt is it this time?  A gaming one or something?
[18:34] <mhall119> sebsebseb: NES controller
[18:35] <Sefa_> Caglar ben varım :D
[18:35] <caglar> iyiymiş :D u
[18:36] <Sefa_> afk time
[18:37] <un_wilson> QUESTION: there will be something like the Swype keyboard in Ubuntu?  What advantages does it have over x86?
[18:39] <ahayzen> QUESTION: What do you think of Juju on Power8 and what opportunities it will bring?
[18:40] <vasil_> QUESTION:Will ubuntu touch apear in an auto currect faill post
[18:41] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: How can I make sure a colemak or dvorak Keyboard layout gets included in ubuntu phone, or is this already going to be included?
[18:41] <_nak> QUESTION: Apart from the bostin ales, what do you miss the most about Wolverhampton?   Thats true!
[18:47] <sebsebseb> yes it's still live
[18:47] <sebsebseb> at the moment
[18:47] <sebsebseb> what's left of it
[18:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Yeah but I don't think theres much left, and I don't want to ask anything thats been asked already xD
[18:49] <sebsebseb> QUESTION :  Guitar and drum kit at the same time, for the end of this one? :d
[18:49] <sebsebseb> ChloeWolfieGirl_: no go a head
[18:49] <sebsebseb> ChloeWolfieGirl_: you probably won't )
[18:49] <sebsebseb> and if so doesn't matter :)
[18:49] <Atrupi> Why do not they make even the designs for the music player, photo viewer, and many other softwares, like Gnome
[18:49] <sebsebseb> Atrupi: that's an idea that comes up on hre at times , a  Ubuntu theme of jono  's music
[18:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION: I head something about Cannonical and Kingsoft holding hands, what does this mean about Cannonical and LibreOffice? Are they pushed out of this relationship?
[18:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> Is pulseaudio being used on the ubuntu phone?
[18:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> errp
[18:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Is pulseaudio being used on the ubuntu phone?
[18:50] <sebsebseb> yeah probably
[18:50] <un_wilson> Aki-Thinkpad: I hope so, on MeeGO is awesome
[18:51] <vasil_> QUESTION:Sorry for the bad language,I was asking do you use apachy in your server
[18:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION: I heard MS office coming to Linux, even if they aren't, what do you think this could do for Ubuntu?
[18:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Libreoffice on the ubuntu phone?
[18:53] <vasil_> QUESTION:Ubuntu media center?
[18:53] <pulu90_> QUESTION: Could we ever have Bad Voltage every week?
[18:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Wine on ubuntu phone?
[18:53] <piiramar> Aki-Thinkpad: yes, PulseAudio is used, see a recent presentation "Ubuntu Touch Internals" by Ricardo Salveti at http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/program/slides
[18:54] <vasil_> QUESTION:Do you think that there will be more games for linux after steam os rolls
[18:54] <Roger_> Question  Do you think its a shame that you can't tell how many times 14.04LTS has been downloaded, it would be really cool to know.
[18:55] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Which devices do you have Ubuntu Touch on and which devices would you like to see it ported to?
[18:55] <Deepak> hi
[18:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION: Do you think the lack of ability to tell developers exactly how many people are using ubuntu is makes linux look like its doing much worse then it actually is?
[18:55] <vasil_> QUESTION:If  conversion is screen size beist,does that mean that if i plug my desktop pc on a 5 inch display it will boot in to mobile ui
[18:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> POLITICAL QUESTION: In the UK, they have an opt in for having access to Adult Centric content. Is this Abhorrent in your opinion, or pragmatism?
[18:56] <un_wilson> QUESTION: I used Gnumeric on the Nokia tablet n800, it was good, why not have a "desktop like" space on the Ubuntu Phone? (I know it'll be user unfriendly, but still useful sometimes)
[18:56] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION: I thought torrents where coming to 14.04 in scopes, why didn't that happen?
[18:57] <vasil_> I download it 9 times for 2 PCs
[18:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> TBF I heard that LibreOffice was coming to android, so Ubuntu touch wouldn't be out of the question, especially since kingsoft, MS Office, Google drive all have portable versions!
[18:58] <iBobX> Question: Hi! Tell me, is there any type of sync between Ubuntu Desktop and Phone? I mean, if I get this Nexus 4, can I sync with my Ubuntu Desktop Automaticaly? Photos, Music, Contact, etc?
[18:58] <vasil_> QUESTION:So yes
[18:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> QUESTION: Have you been downloading your free PS+ games on your ps4? xD
[19:00] <vasil_> QUESTION:sorry,is cononical intrested in other markets
[19:00] <vasil_> QUEASTION:Voice assistent in ubuntu?
[19:01] <Roger_> Thankyou.
[19:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> QUESTION: What is your name; True or false?
[19:01] <simion314> thx
[19:01] <vasil_> BB
[19:01] <vasil_> am aote
[19:01] <ahayzen> thanks for your great answers jono
[19:01] <theBest> Thanks Jono for this Q&A
[19:02] <un_wilson> Thanks
[19:02] <theBest> Until next week. ;-)
[19:02] <caglar_> thanks
[19:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> :3
[19:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> we <3 you Jono x3
[19:03] <theBest> Next week with guitar!?
[19:05] <Kouakou> I can see you just fine
[19:06] <Deepak> i have one issue
[19:08] <Deepak> is there any one ?
[19:41] <Guest75226> question: when tablet is comin out?
[20:38] <Sefa_> İt is stil running


[09:33] <mdke_> morning
[09:33] <tonyyarusso> mdke_: You know, don't take this the wrong way, but sometimes I hate you.
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> Every day you come in here and say that, and remind me how late it's gotten and that I really should be in bed, but aren't.
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> ;)
[09:34] <mdke_> :)
[09:34] <nixternal> ditto! ;)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:35] <mdke_> I overslept too
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> Man...
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> I haven't gotten anywhere on this assignment yet
[09:40] <mdke_> Burgundavia: minions eh, nice
[09:43] <Burgundavia> mdke_: I try
[09:48] <Burgundavia> the UWN?
[09:48] <mdke_> yeah
[09:49] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:14] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, slipping ads fro Cia1is into the UWN now? ;)
[05:12] <Mithrandir> mdke_: regarding your "Documentation String Freeze Exception Procedure"; those strings are all updated in stable release updates, right?
[06:25] <nixternal> mdke_: i made a change to that fridge article -- s/Ubuntu/Linux - thanks for the hacking on it
[07:19] <Burgwork> mdke_: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/
[08:06] <mdke_> nixternal: s/Ubuntu/Linux?
[08:06] <mdke_> Mithrandir: I'll send you a full explanation by email of the problem
[08:07] <jjesse> hello mdke_
[08:07] <mdke_> hiya jjesse
[08:07] <mdke_> Burgwork: ?
[08:07] <Burgwork> mdke_: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrRequestPatchWebQueue
[08:08] <mdke_> Burgwork: i haven't seen this before
[08:08] <nixternal> mdke_: it had that free geek installs ubuntu on all of their machines...they install linux on all of them, but not just ubuntu
[08:09] <nixternal> thats what i meant by that
[08:09] <mdke_> nixternal: Jane's email said Ubuntu on all of them
[08:09] <Burgwork> mdke_: it was something I cooked up last year
[08:09] <Mithrandir> mdke_: I got your email which was Cc-ed to mdz; more explanation would be appreciated.
[08:09] <mdke_> nixternal: that's where I got it from
[08:09] <nixternal> well, she isn't correct there...i know for a fact since i volunteer my sundays to free geek
[08:09] <mdke_> Mithrandir: yes, I realised that it isn't very full, i'll send a better one
[08:09] <nixternal> most of the time it is SuSE linux, and the older ones will get Xubuntu or Slax
[08:10] <mdke_> ah, fine.
[08:10] <mdke_> she must have been mistaken
[08:10] <Burgwork> nixternal: different free geeks do different things
[08:10] <nixternal> they are using more and more of ubuntu though...mainly xubuntu...but not 100% in our grasp yet ;)
[08:10] <nixternal> that is part of my world dominination
[08:10] <Burgwork> portland used to do their own freekbox distro
[08:10] <nixternal> and they still do
[08:10] <mdke_> maybe the oregon one uses Ubuntu?
[08:11] <Mithrandir> mdke_: cheers.
[08:11] <nixternal> well we get the SuSE packages in chicgao from the oregon office
[08:11] <Burgwork> possible
[08:12] <Burgwork> they explicitly say the laptops have ubuntu on them
[08:12] <nixternal> yup
[08:12] <nixternal> so we can change it to go that route maybe
[08:13] <Burgwork> mdke_: anyway, the bzr people now have a web queue for approving patches to bzr
[08:14] <mdke_> so you can approve the patch online and it gets automatically applied?
[08:19] <mdke_> Burgwork
[08:20] <mdke_> nixternal: do you want to go ahead and approve the story?
[08:31] <mdke_> Mithrandir: ok mailed.
[08:37] <Burgwork> mdke_: I believe so
[08:38] <mdke_> Burgwork: sounds cool. How do you submit patches?
[08:38] <Burgwork> via the usual method of bzr push
[08:39] <mdke_> sounds interesting. How can we try it out?
[08:39] <Mithrandir> mdke_: thanks, explains it well, yes.
[08:40] <mdke_> great
[08:40] <Mithrandir> mdke_: I need to look it tomorrow, but I think I have an idea.  I'll follow up on your mail to -doc and we'll flesh something out.
[08:41] <Burgwork> mdke_: need a bzr repo and probably need to set that up
[08:41] <mdke_> Burgwork: LP imports our svn repo. Is something needed to set up the web interface?
[08:41] <mdke_> Mithrandir: ok, thanks
[08:42] <Burgwork> mdke_: need a turbogears setup, but that is now packaged for feisty
[08:43] <mdke_> hmm. We should check it out, sounds cool
[08:43] <mdke_> does bzr do centralised version control nowadays?
[08:44] <pygi> mdke_: bzr is by definition distributed? :)
[08:45] <mdke_> pygi: I believe that's the default function yeah. But I also believe there is a feature which provides some kind of centralisation
[08:45] <Mithrandir> pygi: no, it's not.  You can use checkouts.
[08:46] <Mithrandir> (those still allow local commits etc, but in that case they need to be merged back again before being treated as a checkout/bound branch)
[08:46] <pygi> Mithrandir: understood, but I believe it's mostly used distributed or something. Anyway, ignore e.
[08:46] <mdke_> it was called "bound branches" or something
[10:30] <tormod> the hoary pages now being removed from h.u.c, are they archived somewhere?
[10:37] <Burgwork> currently no
[10:44] <Burgwork> tormod: ^
[10:45] <tormod> it's a pity if they totally disappear, isn't it?
[10:50] <Burgwork> not really, given most of the docs were of questionable quality
[10:56] <tormod> that might be true ;) But people wrote it, and some of it might have some information that could be used in another context. But I haven't looked at it. Great to have it cleansed out from the "visible" wiki anyway.
[11:15] <mdke_> Burgwork: are you deleting stuff that could be upgraded?
[11:16] <mdke_> presumably not, right?
[11:16] <Burgwork> mdke_: no, just stuff that is hoary only
[11:16] <mdke_> fair enough. Like stuff that can't apply to later versions?
[11:17] <Burgwork> yes, like "fixing X hardware in Hoary"
[11:17] <mdke_> fine, sounds good