[15:38] <tseliot> apw: what is the proper way to request a config change in the kernel? I need DRM_AMD_POWERPLAY=y for my backport
[15:43] <apw> tseliot, at this stage, a bug with the justification would be good, and then a patch as normal
[15:43] <apw> or file the bug, and just tell me the number
[15:43] <apw> tseliot, or are you asking how to apply a change in a big pull request ?
[15:44] <tseliot> apw: that could probably fit the same bug report I filed for my backport (which affects the same code)
[15:44] <tseliot> apw: I was thinking it would be worth doing it myself as part of the pull request
[15:45] <tseliot> since, you know, backporting code just to keep it disabled is probably a little useless :D
[15:45] <tseliot> the thing is, I don't recall doing that before
[15:46] <tseliot> (a config change)
[18:22] <leitao> rtg, hello. It seems that there is an issue with kernel 3.19 on the fixes for 1481357.
[18:23] <rtg> leitao, yeah, I see verification-failed-vivid
[18:23] <leitao> good. I want just to make sure that it does not fly under the radar. Thank you!
[18:25] <rtg> leitao, I'll look at it a bit later this afternoon. gotta wrap up some other stuff first.
[18:26] <leitao> rtg, no worries. As I said, just to make sure that you guys saw the problem.
[18:52] <tych0> hi folks. i'm on the xenial kernel, 4.4.0-8-generic
[18:52] <hallyn> sforshee: apw: hey, tych0 is finding apparmorfs sometimes not loaded
[18:52] <tych0> and i'm missing my /sys/kernel/security/apparmor is missing
[18:52] <hallyn> but sometimes loaded (and for me it is loaded)
[18:52] <hallyn> tych0: anything in journalctl?
[18:53] <tych0> yeah, for me it is loaded too on other vms but this one
[18:53] <tych0> nothing jumps out at me, but, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15245948/
[18:54] <tyhicks> Feb 29 11:40:56 criu2 kernel: AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter
[18:55] <tyhicks> Feb 29 11:40:56 criu2 kernel: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-8-generic ... selinux=1 security=selinux ...
[18:55] <hallyn> tsk tsk
[18:55] <tych0> oh
[18:56] <tych0> how did that get there :)
[18:56] <hallyn> gremlins?
[18:57] <tych0> or an extremely elaborate troll
[18:57] <tyhicks> I vaguely remember seeing a xenial bug go by for a package that was depending on selinux-policy-default
[18:58] <tych0> i wonder how i turn it off
[18:58] <tych0> somehow i do have that package installed, let's see what happens if i uninstall it
[18:59] <tyhicks> tych0: do you have the "selinux" binary package installed?
[19:00] <tych0> rc  selinux                             1:0.11                                  all          Security-Enhanced Linux runtime support
[19:00] <tych0> but that might be because i just removed some stuff
[19:01] <tyhicks> tych0: ok, do you have the "apparmor" package installed?
[19:01] <tych0> tyhicks: yes, i have that one
[19:02] <tyhicks> tych0: hmm... I thought that if you had it installed, it would set the right kernel boot params but it has been a while since I've tried switching between apparmor and selinux
[19:03] <tych0> wwell, let me try to --reinstall
[19:03] <tyhicks> that may work
[19:04] <tych0> hm, even that didn't do it
[19:07] <tych0> well never mind, maybe i'll just blow this vm away and start over :)
[19:07] <tyhicks> tych0: the selinux packaging simply modifies /etc/default/grub to add security=selinux selinux=1
[19:08] <tych0> ah, ok
[19:08] <tyhicks> tych0: you should be able to remove those two params and run update-grub2 to return to using apparmor since our kernels are configured to use apparmor by default
[19:08] <tych0> oh
[19:08] <tych0> update-grub2 vs. update-grub :)
[19:08] <tyhicks> either one
[19:08] <tyhicks> I think they're the same
[19:09] <tyhicks> yeah, update-grub2 is a symlink to update-grub
[19:09] <tych0> ok, cool
[19:13] <tych0> tyhicks: \o/ thanks!
[19:13] <tyhicks> tych0: glad that it worked :)
[21:06] <rharper> on Xenial, I've a USB flash drive that shows up when directly connected to x1 carbon gen1; but when plugged in via USB3 hub does not;  other usb devices on hub work (keyboard, nic, mouse) but not mass storage devices;  worked fine in 15.10; thoughts? lsusb does not even list the device when plugged in
[23:49]  * hallyn at that point in writing a new kernel patch where you wonder 'do i type make for the first time and see where it breaks, or reread the patch to look for obvious errors?'


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[02:47] <xnox> vorlon:  pushed merge proposals to rename server to classic-server in debian-cd & ubuntu-cdimage
[02:47] <xnox> vorlon:  they work for me, but i had to hack-out most of the image building, cause i don't have a full mirror.
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[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> guile happiness ^^
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[12:25] <mitya57> Hi! It would be nice if someone could look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/britney/hints-ubuntu-update-pinentry/+merge/382109 — it’s needed for Qt migration
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[12:42] <RikMills> ^^^ Fix for LP: #1872075
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[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Release Team: Could someone _please_ take a look at bug 1871049 for darktable? tjaalton did an upload for this, just needs approved/accepted.
[15:32] <tjaalton> it's easter, I hope no-one of the release team is here atm :)
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> tjaalton: True. :)
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[18:41] <sil2100> o/
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[18:48] <sil2100> jbicha: the new mutagen sync - python-mutagen is a reverse-dependency of zomg, are there any plans to do something with that package?
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[18:53] <RikMills> sil2100: pleas accept https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/britney/hints-ubuntu-update-pinentry/+merge/382109
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[18:55] <sil2100> RikMills: looking
[18:55] <RikMills> thanks!
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[18:59] <sil2100> Ok, today sadly that's all the time I have - I'll be back tomorrow o/
[18:59] <RikMills> sil2100: thanks :)
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[22:28] <Eickmeyer> Release Team: Could someone _please_ take a look at bug 1871049 for darktable? tjaalton did an upload for this, just needs approved/accepted.
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[04:39] <lotuspsychje_> for the jammy desktop testers, this mornings updates gace me tty/loginloops with dbus X11
[04:50] <guiverc> i had a play with jammy canary desktop lotuspsychje_ ; no issues (one box live, one box install)
[04:51] <lotuspsychje_> guiverc: did you got that dbus X11 in your updates too recently?
[04:51]  * guiverc clarifies no issues; radeon glitches maybe - but already known & not an issue with ~modern equipment
[04:52] <guiverc> i got updates twice today if I recall correctly; i'll only be using the first updates on my current session though (gome)
[04:52] <guiverc> s/gome/gnome
[04:53] <lotuspsychje_> ok tnx guiverc
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[11:32] <frost-core> hello!
[11:32] <frost-core> jammy jellyfish has a sound issue
[11:32] <frost-core> im using lubuntu
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> frost-core: jammy is still in development
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> frost-core: its highly reccomended you help testing with daily installs instead of early upgrades
[11:33] <frost-core> yeah, i just wanna know how to kill pipewire and use pulseaudio
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[14:26] <lotuspsychje> for those who test jammy flavours, see bug #1962009
 What flavor? (re @ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <lotuspsychje> for those who test jammy flavours, see bug #1962009)
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> @Leokolb: Martin filed the bug for ubuntu mate; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1962009
 Thanks - yes was/am aware of this - (re @ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <lotuspsychje> @Leokolb: Martin filed the bug for ubuntu mate; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1962009)
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> @Leokolb: and for my own i see the notify on -desktop jammy too
 @did you see latest comments? (re @ubuntu_bridge_Bot: (irc) <lotuspsychje> @Leokolb: and for my own i see the notify on -desktop jammy too)


[01:18] <jose> marcoceppi: is there anyone who's got op access to this channel to fix ^?
[01:19] <marcoceppi> jose: fix what?
[01:19] <jose> marcoceppi: there's someone who's joining and parting massively due to ping timeouts, been like that for almost a week now
[01:19] <marcoceppi> apuimedo, you mean? What would you like me to do about it?
[01:20] <jose> yep, /mode +b$##fix_your_connection
[01:22] <marcoceppi> jose: I'm not a channel operator, I'll find out who
[01:22] <jose> says niemeyer but there's probably someone else
[01:24] <niemeyer> jose, marcoceppi: have you tried talking to him?
[01:25] <jose> niemeyer: he won't get messages, he's pinging timeout just after he connects
[01:25] <lazyPower> I speak to apuimedo_  bi-weekly give or take. probably a bouncer issue
[01:27] <niemeyer> Let's try that first..
[01:27] <lazyPower> niemeyer: i've got a reminder set, i'll reacho ut in the AM
[01:27] <lazyPower> EU hours
[01:27] <niemeyer> lazyPower: Thanks!
[01:27] <lazyPower> np
[01:31] <lazyPower> cargonza - so your messages aren't coming through?
[02:49] <lazyPower> mbruzek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1532063
[02:49] <mup> Bug #1532063: Unit seems unable to proceed after watcher died in the middle of hook execution <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532063>
[09:54] <philip_stoev> Hi, I wanted to ask if there is a trick that would serialize the execution of the hooks so that they run sequentially across the entire environment, rather than just within a machine?
[09:55] <philip_stoev> In other words, only one hook is running at any given time within the environment
[12:02] <tiagogomes_> Hello! Is it possible to use JuJu with multiple providers? Or use Juju on an OpenStack installation with multiple regions?
[12:31] <stub> tiagogomes_: I don't know about multiple regions. But for multiple providers, you currently need choose one and add vms from the user provider manually (using 'juju add-machine ssh:... ')
[12:31] <stub> tiagogomes_: It works, but you need to handle networking stuff yourself. I use it for hybrid OpenStack/MAAS deployments.
[13:27] <tiagogomes_> stub cool, and does the JuJu GUI support multiple environments as well?
[13:32] <tiagogomes_> looks like no :(
[13:39] <coreycb> jamespage, gnuoy:  can one of you review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/git-1531612/+merge/281994
[13:41] <gnuoy> coreycb, ack, I can take a look
[13:41] <coreycb> gnuoy, thanks
[14:25] <lazyPower> tiagogomes_ the gui will support multiple environments (the term will change to models soon) ~ when juju 2.0 lands
[14:25] <lazyPower> tiagogomes_: we debut'd this feature at the last ODS, the videos are still floating around on youtube :)
[14:27] <tiagogomes_> lazyPower nice! is there an expected release date?
[14:29] <lazyPower> tiagogomes_ dont quote me on this but i think its in march
[14:30] <lazyPower> its coming soon, but i forget the dates. a hair preoccupied with the work leading up to that launch :)
[14:31] <tiagogomes_> lazyPower thanks!
[14:39] <d4rks1d3> Hi
[14:41] <rick_h_> tiagogomes_: lazyPower the GUI will be out this month
[14:41] <rick_h_> tiagogomes_: lazyPower but the multi-models support in Juju is 2.0 in 16.04 in april (testable in alphas currently)
[14:41] <lazyPower> o/ d4rks1d3
[14:41] <lazyPower> rick_h_ fan-tastic!
[14:42] <lazyPower> rick_h_ correct me if i'm wrong, but hte new gui is currently bet-able as well right?
[14:42] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yes
[14:42] <rick_h_> lazyPower: there's a charm in the store to test
[14:42] <lazyPower> when i'm not buried in TLS libraries, i'm soooo on board
[14:43] <rick_h_> search the juju mailing list for title "Juju GUI 2.0 - public beta"
[14:43] <rick_h_> with various insturctions on getting/testing/filing bugs and such
[14:45] <lazyPower> flagged, and earmarked
[14:45] <lazyPower> thanks rick
[14:45] <rick_h_> lazyPower: np
[15:13] <coreycb> gnuoy, I have another little follow-on mp for charm-helpers if you could take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/depth-clone-only/+merge/282016
[15:14] <coreycb> gnuoy, it's a corner case so I don't think we need to pick it up in the openstack charms until the next larger sync
[16:37] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Forgive my ignorance, but where can I find the test code that produced the failure in https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/ubuntu-repository-cache/+bug/1526928 ?
[16:37] <mup> Bug #1526928: Test fails due to peer having rsync cron job <ubuntu-repository-cache (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526928>
[16:37] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Oh, it's in the charm.  *hangs head*
[16:37] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke <#
[16:37] <lazyPower> and <3 as well
[18:24] <natefinch> rogpeppe: first off, lemme say, holy crap, charm upload is awesome. First time I tried it I thought something was broke because it worked so fast and flawlessly.
[18:26] <natefinch> rogpeppe: however, I can't actually deploy the charm... I keep getting "resolved charm URL has no series"
[19:30] <pmatulis> trying to test 1.26-alpha3 with LXD. anyone know what's going on here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14440220/
[20:29] <marcoceppi> pmatulis: you're not on wily or xenial, probably trusty
[20:29] <marcoceppi> pmatulis: it does not work on trusty
[20:29] <marcoceppi> unless you do a whole lot of hacks
[20:40] <kwmonroe> is personal namespace ingestion working? ~ibm-charmers had a few revs to ibm-db2/README.md in the last 3 weeks.. none of them are showing on https://jujucharms.com/u/ibmcharmers/ibm-db2/trusty/
[20:42] <kwmonroe> charm proof shows 5 info issues, but no W or E.
[21:06] <aisrael> kwmonroe: I'm wrapping up a review of that charm now. I didn't think it was promulgated?
[21:06] <aisrael> Oh, just in their namespace
[21:06] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: this is the second report of an issue w/ ingestion. :( we had one yesterday from natefinch about his charm, but it had proof errors
[21:07] <lazyPower> probs should file an ingestion bug so they take a look
[21:13] <natefinch> lazyPower: btw, my charm proof blows up with an exception (dumping a stack trace to the command line no less... bad form).  How do I update it?  I presume I have some ancient version
[21:14] <lazyPower> natefinch: the charm-tools package has that
[21:14] <natefinch> hmm... say it's already at the newest version
[21:15] <natefinch> lazyPower: thoughts? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14440929/
[21:16] <lazyPower> natefinch can i get a bug filed for that? https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues
[21:16] <lazyPower> because i have no idea why pyopenssl is barfing :(
[21:17] <natefinch> will do
[21:18] <lazyPower> natefinch looks like you need to update requests though
[21:18] <lazyPower> http://stackoverflow.com/a/29081240
[21:19] <natefinch> lol... exception uninstalling the old requests
[21:20] <natefinch> oh, permission denied.... someone couldn't have put in a catch for that? geez
[21:23] <natefinch> oh man, charm proof is way too strict, geez
[21:23] <natefinch> E: Unknown root metadata field (series)
[21:23] <lazyPower> natefinch: thats a relatively new thing
[21:23] <natefinch> the check isn't, though
[21:24] <natefinch> who cares if I put unknown stuff in the root of the yaml?
[21:24] <lazyPower> obviously proof does
[21:24] <natefinch> sure, make it a warning... but don't prevent me from putting it in the charm store under my own namespace :/
[21:24] <lazyPower> I disagree
[21:24] <lazyPower> it should prevent you from putting garbage in the metadata
[21:25] <lazyPower> but the lack of ingestion was a bummer, sure
[21:25] <natefinch> if it deploys to juju, it should be able to exist in the store
[21:25] <natefinch> perhaps not promulgated, but geez, in my own namespace?
[21:25] <lazyPower> natefinch: juju doesn't validate policy though
[21:25] <lazyPower> proof is our only line of automatically enforcing policy
[21:26] <lazyPower> when charm2 lands, and you can just upload your charm - this issue goes away
[21:26] <lazyPower> and it will only be enforceable on ~recommended
[21:26] <natefinch> which makes me happy :)
[21:27] <lazyPower> just a friendly reminder, that whats frustrating you, is a source of frustration for the ~charmer team as well :)   Imagine the correspondences we have when proof just lets things go and we nack a review on many many items that proof could, and should, be catching.
[21:27] <lazyPower> <3
[21:37] <natefinch> lazyPower: btw, thanks for the tip, updating requests fixed charm proof (perhaps this was obvious by my complaining about charm proof ;)
[21:37] <lazyPower> np :)
[21:38] <lazyPower> google-fu ftw
[21:45] <kwmonroe> lazyPower: ingestion issue filed - you reckon this is the best place? https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/189
[21:45] <lazyPower> kwmonroe yep, thats where we were directed to file any store related bugs
[21:46] <kwmonroe> and while i'm grumping around, *my* charm hasn't ingested either :/  (but it's only been a few hours)
[21:46] <lazyPower> kwmonroe: rattle cages! shake trees!
[21:46] <kwmonroe> :)
[22:13] <pmatulis> marcoceppi: does not work on trusty? oh wow ok


[01:01] <uzyv> salut tout le monde il y a quelle quin
[01:08] <uzyv> il y a quelle quin??
[01:10] <uzyv> compren rien il y a 290 person est persone ne parle
[01:13] <uzyv> ?
 Is that French?
 !info french
[01:14] <uzyv> oui
[01:15] <uzyv> est vous?
 I don't speak your language
[01:20] <uzyv> ok
[01:21] <uzyv> where are you from
 USA
[01:26] <Dragonslicer> !fr
[01:26] <Dragonslicer> My French isn't good enough to be helpful
[01:33] <uzyv> ok
[01:50] <valorie> !fr | uzyv
[01:50] <valorie> ah, Dragonslicer did that already, sorry
[01:53] <uzyv> yes
[01:57] <uzyv> anyone know an active canale š please??
[02:41] <nostalgiacorpse> suh
[02:41] <nostalgiacorpse> comin at yah, from hannah montana linux
[03:18] <Guest82156> Hi!
[03:18] <Guest82156> test
[03:18] <Guest82156> Any expert in Live USB Linux?
[05:59] <owen> hi
[06:00] <owen> how is everyone?
[06:11] <viewer|42372> how do i change kde login manager theme
[06:12] <viewer|42372> How do I change KDE log-in manager theme?
[06:13] <valorie> um, you could wait for an answer!
[06:13] <viewer|42372> Thanks a lot
[06:13] <valorie> ah, you did, sorry
[06:14] <valorie> it's SDDM, and not KDE software
[06:14] <viewer|42372> yes that's right
[06:14] <valorie> so just google on that, because that's what i would do, LOL
[06:15] <viewer|42372> ok
[06:56] <bugnugger> hey guys, i have an old laptop that I installed Kubuntu 9 on.  Its a sempron, 1Ghz with 1Gb Ram.  It runs 9 just fine.  Suggestions on if I can upgrade it to more recent versions or if I should leave it where it is?
[07:37] <valorie> Kubuntu 9?
[07:37] <valorie> !releases
[07:38] <valorie> perhaps 9.04?
[07:38] <valorie> which I believe is long out of support
[07:38] <valorie> so IMO you might want to burn a DVD of a newer LTS and try it out in a live session and see what works
[07:52] <bugnugger> ok thanks.  i thought about just trying the latest Lubuntu on it
[07:52] <bugnugger> and yeah its 9.04
[08:12] <valorie> I was going to say that lubuntu might run better since it is designed for old hardware
[08:13] <valorie> otoh I put 16.04 on a little 6 year old atom netbook and it ran great
[08:13] <valorie> the newest plasma is much lighter on resource use, I think
[09:47] <s3ss10n> +OK YR701Y9c1c4.
[09:47] <s3ss10n> +OK zOUjaYZlbnb..5JdK.i9bH8/AGND9Y2LSLnZ
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[18:25] <diamond__> Hi
[18:26] <diamond__> hello1
[18:39] <DiamondCoderMan> does anyone have tips for someone new to kubuntu?
[18:44] <BluesKaj> DiamondCoderMan, general questions like yours are usually ignored unless you include more detail and specifics
[18:45] <BluesKaj> we don't know what you want to do
[18:46] <DiamondCoderMan> What should i start doing as a new user to Kubuntu?
[18:48] <ikonia> just use the OS
[18:48] <ikonia> do your day to day tasks on it
[18:49] <DiamondCoderMan> Why does minecraft lag like crazy? I never lagged like that on Ubuntu
[18:51] <ikonia> depends, is it visual lag or is the actual runtime lagging
[18:51] <soee> lag? network problems ?
[18:51] <DiamondCoderMan> the runtime lagging
[18:51] <DiamondCoderMan> also i'm not playing on a server
[18:51] <ikonia> DiamondCoderMan: how are you determining that
[18:52] <DiamondCoderMan> from fps
[18:52] <ikonia> frames per second is visual
[18:52] <DiamondCoderMan> ohh
[18:52] <ikonia> I asked "visual" or "runtime"
[18:55] <DiamondCoderMan> not looking down i'm getting a max of 32 not looking down
[18:55] <ikonia> so thats more likley your video card is not correctly configured
[18:56] <DiamondCoderMan> looking down about 60
[18:58] <DiamondCoderMan> how long does it take for driver manager take to get info about my system
[18:58] <soee> DiamondCoderMan: it is broken
[18:58] <DiamondCoderMan> oh
[18:58] <soee> there was some command to rebuild xapian index that bloks it or something
[18:59] <soee> DiamondCoderMan: try running: sudo  update-apt-xapian-index
[18:59] <soee> and then open driver manager and try if it will work
[19:00] <DiamondCoderMan> k
[19:01] <DiamondCoderMan> command not found
[19:02] <soee> oO
[19:03] <soee> try to install apt-xapian-index
[19:05] <DiamondCoderMan> idk if this helps but i'm using a intel core i3
[19:06] <soee> it doesn't matter
[19:08] <DiamondCoderMan> should i click using processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel-microcode
[19:08] <soee> yup
[19:08] <DiamondCoderMan> k
[19:09] <DiamondCoderMan> are the drivers good with opengl?
[19:12] <DiamondCoderMan> how long does it take to get info about my system
[19:12] <soee> ?
[19:12] <DiamondCoderMan> how long does it take driver manager
[19:12] <soee> s i said there is a bug that makes data collecting infinite task
[19:12] <DiamondCoderMan> oh
[19:13] <soee> what GPU do you have ?
[19:14] <DiamondCoderMan> how do i find out
[19:14] <soee> you dont know if you have nvidia, amd or intel ?
[19:14] <DiamondCoderMan> i got intel
[19:14] <soee> only ?
[19:15] <DiamondCoderMan> Intel Core i3-2350m @ 2.30GHz
[19:15] <DiamondCoderMan> 4x
[19:16] <soee> that is CPU
[19:16] <soee> type in console: lspci | grep VGA
[19:16] <DiamondCoderMan> oh
[19:16] <soee> and paste output in paste.ubuntu.com
[19:17] <DiamondCoderMan> i need to install it one sec
[19:17] <DiamondCoderMan> nvm
[19:18] <DiamondCoderMan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23056370/
[19:19] <soee> well than you dont need any driver i think
[19:19] <DiamondCoderMan> oh
[19:20] <DiamondCoderMan> so why is my game slow
[19:22] <DiamondCoderMan> someone said my video card is not correctly configed
[19:22] <soee> im not usre im o nvidia
[19:24] <DiamondCoderMan> thanks for the help
[20:36] <cihhan> hi all! im using kubuntu 14 and somehow my firefox and kde4 are not getting along well. When i hold my mouse on the firefox tab to read its header, it s all black -- for chromium, it does show a black background with white fonts but for firefox both are black... When I try to upload something to my email, the opening window behaves as if shift is pressed -- it selects all the files my mouse hoovers on...
[20:36] <cihhan> This is getting extremely annoying and causing me lose my tamper... Any ideas to solve it?
[20:50] <soee> cihhan: this is due to lack of integration
[20:50] <soee> i moved to Vivaldi web browser and can recommend this one
[20:51] <cihhan> soee, it totally makes sense but I couldn't see any information anywhere how I can integrate them together... They should live peacefully on my computer :)
[20:52] <soee> Firefox is GTK based while Kubuntu uses QT
[20:53] <soee> unless someone will create some plugin that adds better integration
[20:53] <soee> we can't do much
[20:54] <cihhan> soee, it was working fine before -- i started having this weird problem last month, especially when im attaching something to my email (ohhh, it s really unbearable)
[20:55] <soee> cihhan: as i said i wont help much :) i'm using vivaldi
[20:55] <cihhan> i c, thanx a lot :)


[07:48] <Kilos> morning all. and inetpro
[08:22] <CraigZim> Morning Kilos , how goes it?
[08:40] <Kilos> hi CraigZim ok ty and you?
[08:41] <CraigZim> all good thanks
[09:18] <andrewlsd> (back from post StackClash patching)
[09:51] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[09:58] <chesedo> morning Kilos CraigZim andrewlsd and all
[10:01] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[10:07] <chesedo> planning on enjoying the sun again today oom Kilos?
[10:08] <andrewlsd> Hi chesedo :-)
[10:13] <andrewlsd> Happy birthday Kilos :-)
[10:14] <andrewlsd> (or at, least, google thinks it's your birthday)
[10:14] <Kilos> thanks
[10:14] <Kilos> yes i am a bit older than yesterday
[11:24] <inetpro> good evening
[11:24] <inetpro> is it Friday yet?
[11:24] <inetpro> oh and hi to oom Kilos even as well
[11:25] <inetpro> btw, looks like neology repositories are not so healthy at the moment
[11:26] <inetpro> at least for trusty that is
[11:26] <inetpro> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[11:26] <inetpro> switched to za.archive and all is fine there
[12:09] <andrewlsd> o/ inetpro
[14:01] <Kilos-> ai!
[15:30] <inetpro> Kilos-: wat's fout?
[15:31] <CraigZim> not bad spelling for fault in Afrikaans?
[15:36] <inetpro> CraigZim: yep, I was asking what is wrong
[17:17] <Kilos-> die internet inetpro
[17:18] <Kilos-> getting tired of it now, and thse providers are doing nothing about tower upgrades
[17:19] <Kilos-> they keep saying give us a couple of weeks, and started saying that months ago
[17:46] <inetpro> Kilos-: ai!
[17:46] <Kilos> ja ai! lol
[17:49] <inetpro> wish I had a solution for that
[17:49] <inetpro> so many opportunities in this country of ours, yet so many challenges as well
[18:46] <nsnzero> good evening all


[03:24] <BuntuTech> hi lubu techs
[12:59] <DevRandom``> Greetings lxdians
[13:00] <DevRandom``> how do i zoom the desktop like windows 8  "winkey" and + combo
[13:04] <DevRandom``> or is there an app to provide desktop zoom effects to enlarge the view ?
[13:07] <DevRandom``> <using a cheap projector to view picture on my wall in low-resolution
[13:08] <delphus> hi all
[13:12] <Ateist> Hi, who can help me? I have a problem with USB scancode reader, and I'm new in linux.
[13:15] <DevRandom``> usb scancode...mmm sounds like trouble....
[13:16] <Ateist> Yes, it scans not full bar code, everytime one number is missing.
[13:17] <Ateist> sorry for my poor english :)
[13:18] <Ateist> In windows everythink is OK, but in different ubuntu versions same problem.
[13:19] <Ateist> For example: I get 5449172 instead of 54491472
[13:20] <Ateist> or I get<PHONE_NUMBER>16 instead of<PHONE_NUMBER>016
[13:26] <DevRandom``> best to google the brand/model + ubuntu   (or check the ID using lsub in terminal and searching that.  Must be some know-how on the forums...sorry my browser went kaput
[13:27] <pibarnas_> hi folks. lxappearance-obconf stopped working. Its tab even even aren't shown in lxappearance. Any ideas?
[13:28] <Ateist> Thanks for advice, but that didn't help
[13:30] <DevRandom``> Atiest...random stab:  could be a driver bug or a driver option that needs setting, or sometimes a udev rule that isn't set right...
[13:30] <DevRandom``> use lsmod and modinfo to figure out what driver it uses
[13:31] <Ateist> Ok, 1 min
[13:31] <DevRandom``> then maybe trouble shoot it. ??
[13:34] <DevRandom``> Ateist:  maybe this:   dmesg | grep usb
[13:35] <Ateist> 1 min, I'll try
[13:38] <Ateist> dmesg gave my  Idvendor:0745, but Idvendor:0000
[13:39] <Ateist> Sorry id product:0000
[13:43] <testdr> Ateist: you may try question about this hardware in normal ubuntu-channels like: #ubuntu or for your language
[13:44] <Ateist> I there also :)
[14:23] <ilhami> Anybody here?
[14:25] <TheSchaf> no, everyone bombed
[14:25] <TheSchaf> :p
[14:28] <DevRandom`> Ateist:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BarcodeReaders
[14:30] <DevRandom`> Wonder if minicom or any serial terminal would test/read from it.
[14:35] <Glycan> Hi, I'm trying to recover file and hopefully fix a Lubuntu system. I try to boot Knoppix off a flash key and it fails saying: "/init: line 975: mount: not found" twice, then "/init: exec: line 1033: /sbin/init: Input/output error". What chan should I go to?
[14:35] <Glycan> Normally booting my Lubuntu system says something about I/O errors, falls into fsck, which raises a bunch more errors that I do not understand "failed command: READ DMA.... error: { UNC }", ending with "fsck / [275] terminated with status 4"
[14:47] <testdr> Glycan: why Knoppix? Does the Ubuntu-Live-System (from Installation) not work?
[15:02] <Boscop> in uxterm or xterm i can't paste the clipboard. how can i enable it? (what's the diff between the two xterms)
[15:32] <Glycan> testdr: mearly because I prefer knoppix in general
[15:43] <Slit> Hi! When would lxqt be default on Lubuntu?
[17:21] <wxl> phillw: i don't know why my mobile quoted the message at the end when i replied inline. or maybe i forgot to delete it all. no worries.
[17:23] <phillw> I left it in hold, owing to the earlier email about etiquette :)
[17:26] <wxl> phillw: i killed it
[17:27] <phillw> I left it for you.. I think the other one is of similar ilk.
[17:27] <wxl> i think you'll find it's not there
[17:27] <wxl> also i love how after noticing the email you top post on a 2nd level quote :)
[17:28] <phillw> I quote via gmail... so go complain to them
[17:28] <wxl> so do i
[17:28] <wxl> pebkac
[17:29] <phillw> reply to...
[17:29] <wxl> i do too
[17:29] <phillw> so, that is what it gets
[17:29] <wxl> pebkac
[17:29] <wxl> :)
[17:33] <phillw> pray tell where :)
[17:33] <wxl> click the ellipsis, edit to your liking, reply where you want
[17:34] <phillw> kk, I'll do some editing in future :)
[17:35] <phillw> I read that Julien has been back in touch about the bug on reporting bugs you flagged up.
[17:35] <wxl> yep
[17:36] <wxl> known bug that i couldnt' find
[17:36] <wxl> the sourceforge bug has had some interesting discussions
[17:36] <wxl> i'm convinced that lxsession handles logging poorly
[17:37] <phillw> well, the boss is aware... nothing more that we mere mortals can do :)
[17:37] <wxl> well perhaps not
[17:37] <wxl> i just don't have time to dig deep into it :(
[17:37] <phillw> is there a qtsession suite out yet?
[17:37] <wxl> not a working one that i'm aware of
[17:38] <wxl> ARGH
[17:38] <wxl> do you have a link to the bug where we couldn't get to the gui?
[17:38] <phillw> he'll have to allocate some time if it is lxsession as lubuntu needs to roll back fixes
[17:39] <phillw> what, on update?
[17:39] <phillw> in 14.10?
[17:39] <wxl> well it was a problem with beta2 too
[17:40] <phillw> wxl: this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1363919
[17:40] <wxl> i don't think so
[17:40]  * wxl cries
[17:40] <wxl> it affected all flavors
[17:40] <wxl> i used the wrong link on the release notes
[17:44] <wxl> sheesh https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651
[17:49] <phillw> wxl: an email that should link to the archives has been forwarded to you.
[17:49] <wxl> phillw: that was the one i was looking for above
[17:50] <phillw> wxl: I've not any complaints...
[17:52] <Boscop> in uxterm or xterm i can't paste the clipboard. how can i enable it? (what's the diff between the two xterms)
[17:53] <phillw> Boscop: use Accessories --> LXTerminal
[17:54] <phillw> Boscop: those two are from core install. They are on the list to be removed at install, but low priority
[17:54] <wxl> Boscop: you might try shift-insert or middle click, as those are the standard x way of doing things
[17:55] <Boscop> phillw: i just installed the minimal version. so just apt-get install lxterminal?
[18:05] <wxl> Boscop: if you want to go that route, yes
[18:06] <Boscop> wxl: what's the diff between uxterm and xterm?
[18:07] <phillw> Boscop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Full_install.2C_minimal_install_or_core_install
[18:09] <wxl> !info uxterm
[18:09] <wxl> :/
[18:10] <wxl> Boscop: uxterm supports unicode.
[18:11] <phillw> one some of my VM's with KVM it still has issues with standard lxterminal, so I use UXTerm to get a good stable terminal session within the GUI
[18:12] <Boscop> ah thx
[18:23] <Boscop> wxl, phillw: but xterm seems to use a different clipboard than firefox?
[18:23] <wxl> Boscop: have you used linux before?
[18:23] <Boscop> yes
[18:23] <wxl> ok then hopefully you know there are three clipboards, right?
[18:23] <Boscop> but i can't paste in firefox what i copied in xterm
[18:23] <Boscop> no
[18:24] <wxl> well there ya go :)
[18:24] <Boscop> what is the third?
[18:24] <wxl> well the third rarely gets used so we can kind of ignore that
[18:24] <wxl> but there ARE three
[18:24] <wxl> try going to firefox and using shift-insert
[18:26] <ianorlin> also shift+insert is the same clipboard as the middle mouse button right?
[18:26] <wxl> yes
[18:26] <Boscop> i tried that
[18:26] <wxl> neither worked?
[18:27] <Boscop> hm, it doesn't even seem to copy stuff
[18:27] <wxl> if it didn't work, you probably didn't copy right from uxterm
[18:27] <Boscop> before, it auto copied stuff that i selected
[18:27] <Boscop> but not anymore
[18:27] <Boscop> how to copy?
[18:27] <wxl> hm that is quite strange
[18:27] <wxl> it should
[18:27] <wxl> (btw all of these problems are SO MUCH EASIER with lxterminal)
[18:28] <wxl> you could try ^c or shift^c
[18:28] <wxl> but select should done it
[18:28] <wxl> s/ne//
[18:29] <Boscop> yeah, i installed it now
[21:15] <ol_dude67> what command is it to check my video for the right driver. i know its ati. just not sure which chip.
[21:16] <ol_dude67> hey i know, ask google. duh.
[21:16] <BuntuTech> hi
[21:18] <testdr> ol_dude67: check the output of lspci or use the tool hardinfo
[21:22] <ol_dude67> got it.now should i have a specific driver for a hd 4200?
[21:26] <ianorlin> ol_dude67: intel hd4200
[21:26] <ianorlin> the intel open source one is used by default and is used by that
[21:28] <ol_dude67> better question, sorry been awhile since last using lubuntu.
[21:29] <ol_dude67> docs on getting vga and hdmi to play together better?
[21:29] <ol_dude67> with that driver on fresh install.
[23:26] <Julie7> Hi! I installed Lubuntu for a family member before he went back home. Now he calls me and tells me that his computer shuts down every 90 minute (or so) with a loud "beeping sound" right before it happens. What could/would cause this?
[23:33] <BuntuTech> ck power settings
[23:33] <Julie7> BuntuTech: What?
[23:34] <BuntuTech> hi julie
[23:34] <Julie7> BuntuTech: Hi.
[23:34] <Julie7> What do you mean?
[23:35] <BuntuTech> nvm i dont think there is a power setting in any OS that would do that
[23:35] <Julie7> BuntuTech: :(
[23:35] <BuntuTech> my 1st thought is hardware problem
[23:36] <Julie7> BuntuTech: Oh, no.
[23:38] <BuntuTech> for example-heat could cause that
[23:40] <BuntuTech> computers will shut down if they get too hot
[23:40] <BuntuTech> is it a laptop or desktop?
[23:45] <BuntuTech> my gaming laptop started doing that too me a couple years ago when i was playing a particular game that used to work the livin heck out of my graphics card-i installed freee temerature monitor and sure enough my laptop was going over 180 degrees F...graphics card was even hotter-so i took off the back covers and blew t our with air-a srprising plume of dust came out. next-i bought a laptop cooler and placed it under my laptop-especially when
[23:45] <BuntuTech> i played that game. luckily all my fans were till working and to this day that laptop is fine. i literally vaccuum it regularly and occasionaly take of the back covers and blow it out again. temps are normal now.
[23:46] <BuntuTech> but honeslty it could be other issues too...im no expert
[23:46] <BuntuTech> might ask in the hardware channel too


[07:08] <vila> hi all
[07:21] <vila> heya poolie
[07:22] <poolie> hi there
[07:22] <poolie> time flies
[07:22] <poolie> how are you?
[07:24] <vila> fine, was in Paris this past week-end ;)
[07:25] <poolie> lucky you
[08:43] <Merwin> Hi ! I pushed a modification on a remote repo, but I want to revert it locally and remotly
[08:43] <Merwin> Should I use bzr revert and the commit+push?
[08:52] <Merwin> vila ?
[08:53] <vila> Merwin: ?
[08:53] <Merwin> Good morning ;)
 Hi ! I pushed a modification on a remote repo, but I want to revert it locally and remotly
 Should I use bzr revert and the commit+push?
[08:57] <vila> the main question is about your remote branch, who is using it and did they already pull the modification ?
[08:57] <Merwin> Nope, I told them to not pull
[08:57] <Merwin> What if they did? :
[08:57] <vila> if not, uncommit/revert&tweak&whatever/commit/push --overwrite
[08:57] <vila> if yes, they will need to pull --overwrite instead of a simple pull
[08:58] <Merwin> ok
[08:58] <Merwin> And if they have not-pushed commits? :D
[08:58] <vila> they'll need to merge and resolve the conflicts locally
[08:59] <vila> you can also avoid the whole issue by just committing a reversed merge of your unwanted change
[09:00] <vila> i.e. your branch history will then contain both the change and the removal of the change instead of not mentioning the change at all :)
[09:00] <vila> It flows better with distributed workflows but ultimately is a mater of personal taste
[09:06] <Merwin> vila, you mike like "commit an 'inversed' commit" ?
[09:06] <Merwin> Here, I commited something I want to cancel, but they worked and modified the repo since my commit
[09:07] <Merwin> So I have to undo what has been done in the commit, and recommit
[09:07] <Merwin> Is there a way to do this automatically ?
[09:09] <vila> with X being your unwanted commit: bzr merge -rX..X-1 .
[09:09] <Merwin> Hum, I'll try
[09:10] <Merwin> bzr merge -r371..371-1 .
[09:10] <vila> 371..370
[09:10] <Merwin> bzr: ERROR: Requested revision: '371-1' does not exist in branch
[09:10] <Merwin> Ah
[09:10] <Merwin> Lol, I look stupid right now :p
[09:11] <vila> hehe, I don't think so, failing is the best way to learn
[09:12] <Merwin> Nice, it worked very good
[09:12] <Merwin> I don't understand why I have to use merge here...
[09:12] <Merwin> But it worked :p
[09:13] <vila> it's called a sherry-pick (merge a revision range instead of a branch) and is the easiest and safest way to reverse a change
[09:13] <vila> heya mgz !
[09:13] <mgz> morning!
[09:27] <Merwin> vila, http://friendpaste.com/2TAVKpXwcJV3PdPlrlEOBn
[09:27] <Merwin> This is because of the cherry-pick ?
[09:30] <vila> meh, check which branch is used for which command, 'bzr missing :push' should clarify a bit
[09:30] <vila> but the 'diverged branches' is probably because you uncommit at some point or because someone else pushed there
[09:31] <vila> Merwin: hmm, have a look at 'bzr config' too, you probably have a 'submit_branch' option defined now that is... confusing stuff, get rid of it
[09:32] <vila> Merwin: 'bzr config --remove submit_branch'
[09:32] <Merwin> I think that when I did the cherry pick from '.', it changed the default branch location
[09:32] <Merwin> Specifying the good location resolved the problem
[09:33] <Merwin> vila, thanks
[10:06] <jelmer> 'morning poolie
[10:15] <poolie> o/ jelmer, mgz
[10:16] <mgz> hey poolie
[10:39] <poolie> jelmer, the bug for junk might be a dupe, but i support it either way
[10:40] <jelmer> poolie: I'll have a look
[10:41] <jelmer> poolie: I vaguely recall that jam once described it to me as a feature of baz or tla
[10:41] <jelmer> maybe that wasn't entirely the same thing
[10:50] <jam> jelmer: baz/tla did have a non-precious ignored file as a separate concept from a precious ignored file
[10:50] <jam> I think the final decision we had come up with, was actually to have a precious ignored
[10:50] <jam> and make standard ignored 'junk'
[10:50] <jam> at least I thought that was what poolie had settled on
[10:50] <jam> because prob 95% of ignored files today are junk, and just a few cases where they are passwords, etc.
[10:51] <mgz> yup, that would be neat.
[12:45] <dholbach> hiya
[12:46] <dholbach> I was just wondering: can you see the private ubuntu bzr bugs?
[12:46] <jelmer> dholbach!
[12:46] <dholbach> hey jelmer
[12:46] <jelmer> dholbach: only those of us who are also ubuntu members
[12:46] <jelmer> s/members/developers/
[12:46] <dholbach> ok, I think I'll have a look at them now and see if there's anything private in there and unprivate
[12:46] <jelmer> dholbach: in other words, only poolie and me
[12:48] <jelmer> dholbach: thanks!
[12:49] <dholbach> ok, they're public now
[13:00] <dholbach> jelmer, am I the first reporting problems with the new bzr/bzr-builddeb combo when it comes to UDD? :)
[13:01] <dholbach> for some reason almost every udd merge I do brings me a crash (I collected 3 different ones now)
[13:01] <dholbach> ah sorry, you're patch piloting - nevermind then :)
[13:04] <jelmer> oops
[13:04] <jelmer> actually, mgz is patch piloting this week
[13:04] <jelmer> dholbach: I haven't seen any other bug reports on it yet - can you send in bugs for the issues?
[13:05] <dholbach> yep, sent them already (923706, 923691, 923688)
[13:06] <jelmer> thanks!
[13:52] <Alan502> Hello, I've been trying to commit some changes to a project but I keep getting this error: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-64962512:///%2Bbranch/classlink/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport can somebody help me?
[13:53] <jelmer> hi Alan502
[13:53] <jelmer> Alan502: what are you trying to do exactly?
[13:53] <Alan502> jelmer, hello :)
[13:53] <Alan502> i'm trying to commit changes to a project
[13:53] <Alan502> by using bzr commit -m "comment"
[13:55] <fullermd> I'd guess a checkout over http.
[13:55] <Alan502> bzr checkout?
[13:55] <jelmer> Alan502: as fullermd says, it does indeed sound like you're trying to do a commit but the location you're committing to doesn't allow writing.
[13:56] <Alan502> I see
[13:56] <jelmer> Alan502: are you perhaps committing in a local branch that's bound to something else?
[13:57] <Alan502> hmmm
[13:58] <Alan502> jelmer, I am trying to commit to a launchpad project that me and my friend created
[13:58] <jelmer> Alan502: how did you check out the launchpad project?
[13:58] <Alan502> I need to register on that project first at launchpad.net right?
[13:58] <Alan502> I just pull to get the files
[13:58] <jelmer> Alan502: did you create a checkout or an entirely new branch of the project?
[13:58] <Alan502> it says "not a branch"
[13:58] <Alan502> nooo
[13:59] <Alan502> i haven't created a checkout
[13:59] <jelmer> Alan502: how did you create what you have locally?
[13:59] <Alan502> how do I do it?
[13:59] <fullermd> Let's just shortcut to 'bzr info'   8-}
[13:59] <Alan502> bzr pull lp:name
[14:00] <Alan502> jelmer, let me check bzr info :)
[14:00] <Alan502> http://pastebin.com/0KrrcXfg
[14:01] <fullermd> Right, checkout.
[14:01]  * fullermd wins!
[14:01] <Alan502> aha?
[14:01] <Alan502> xD
[14:01] <jelmer> Alan502: do you have write access to lp:classlink?
[14:01] <jelmer> Alan502: are you matthewowebb ?
[14:01] <Alan502> I guess that is the problem, I have to set that in launchpad right?
[14:01] <fullermd> I'm guessing you don't _want_ a checkout, considering you're pushing to a different location as well.
[14:02] <Alan502> nope
[14:02] <Alan502> Can I get write access as a different user=
[14:05] <jelmer> dholbach: thanks for the bug reports. I fixed one, will have a look at the other two a bit later.
[14:08] <Alan502> i'm trying to use the gui on the ubuntu repositories :P
[14:30] <vila> jelmer: what's the possible values for quilt-tree-policy ?
[14:32] <vila> ha, found in the tests: applied or unapplied...
[14:32] <vila> jelmer: meh, it's still unclear to me which one I should use for the importer :) There is no 'leave-me-alone' acceptable value ;)
[14:41] <jelmer> vila: the default
[14:41] <jelmer> vila: quilt-tree-policy is disabled by default
[14:41] <jelmer> vila: you probably mean quilt-smart-merge ?
[14:41] <jelmer> vila: that's just a boolean option.
[14:42] <vila> I meant the one that leads to the lxc failure
[14:42] <jelmer> vila: you want 'quilt-smart-merge=False' for that
[14:42] <vila> okydoky
[14:51] <vila> jelmer: ouch, I missed the ssl.ca_reqs=optional case
[14:52] <vila> jelmer: your second remark is still about the 'optional' case right ?
[15:02] <jelmer> vila: yes
[15:08] <vila> jelmer: checking the lazy option: what the use case for 'optional' ?
[15:09] <vila> sounds like a  feature for python's ssl to allow backwards compatibility by using it as a default value
[15:22] <jelmer> vila: it's useful if you talk to servers that don't actually have ssl certificates
[15:24] <vila> err, you mean a certificate signed by an unknown authority ? I don't think you can setup an https server without any certificate, am I wrong ?
[15:24] <vila> otherwise that'd be an http server ;)
[15:32] <dholbach> jelmer, you rock!
[16:22] <SamB> vila: Well, it *could* just make up a certificate on the spot. (Though that *would* consume a lot of CPU/entropy to no purpose ...)
[16:23] <vila> No, a certificate should be signed, you can't do that on the spot unless you also create the authority on the spot ?
[16:38] <vila> but searching for certificateless ssl returns some results, there is apparently a rather obscure way to do that
[16:40] <gypsymauro> hi
[16:41] <gypsymauro> how can I tell to bzr that my local files are correct and overwrite the modified on the repository?
[16:51] <jelmer> HI gypsymauro
[16:51] <jelmer> gypsymauro:  just commit your local changes?
[17:00] <gypsymauro> jelmer: I've already committed changes form another host.. but I forget to done an update so now I want to take as good just my local changes
[17:01] <jelmer> gypsymauro: merge?
[17:03] <gypsymauro> jelmer: of course, but 'cause I'm sure that local is perfect I just wont to overwrite remote :)
[17:05] <jelmer> gypsymauro: in that case "bzr push --overwrite"?
[17:13] <gypsymauro> jelmer: can I pm you? just for not showing my paths :)
[17:14] <gypsymauro> bzr push --overwrite bzr: ERROR: Working tree ..... has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Use --no-strict to force the push.
[17:14] <gypsymauro> it's a good idea?
[19:40] <mgz> okay, have a handle on bzr-explorer changes needed for filesystem watcher, just need to split up the code across the different bugs
[22:32] <nDuff> Is authentication.conf expected to work for bzr-svn?
[22:34] <poolie> o/ jam
[22:36] <poolie> jam, what we did vs tla was:
[22:36] <poolie> the default is 'precious' because they might be precious (seems safer though a bit more annoying)
[22:37] <nDuff> ...funny thing is that the logs indicate that it's seeing saved credentials: Obtaining username and password for SVN connection '<https://REDACTED:443> Authorized'(username: 'duffy')
[22:37] <poolie> allow them to be orphaned as a compromise between not losing them and not being annoying
[22:37] <poolie> nDuff, i would guess libsvn will read it
[22:37] <nDuff> ...but below that: PermissionDenied: Permission denied: ".": OPTIONS of 'https://REDACTED/svn/repos/puppet': authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic challenge
[23:19] <lifeless> nDuff: perhaps something in .subversion/auth ?
[23:21] <nDuff> lifeless: poked at it a bit -- the svn command-line tool is having no trouble using the cached credentials, which implies to me that that configuration is in a good state; still no love from bzr-svn.
[23:46] <jelmer> nDuff: hi
[23:46] <jelmer> nDuff: what platform are you on?
[23:57] <nDuff> jelmer: I'm using the bzr-svn-1.1.0-1 package (with bzr-2.4.1-1ubuntu1) from Linux Mint 12 (x86_64).


[20:10] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
[20:12] <LuckyTheTester2> are you on tsimonq2?
[20:15] <LuckyTheTester2> Hello?
 Hey
 I'm kind of around
[20:15] <wxl> !ask :)
 But not 100%
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
 And like wxl said:
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> I sent you an Emai
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Email
 /command !ask
[20:16] <lubot1> !ask
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> I have a Queston
 OK :)
[20:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Can I make my Own Ubuntu Email like yours?
 To do that, you need to get Ubuntu Membership, which is significant and sustained contributions to the Ubuntu project.
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> Oh
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> Hmm
[20:17] <wxl> so
[20:17] <wxl> yes you can
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> What about another Way?
[20:17] <wxl> you just need to contribute
[20:17] <wxl> and continue to contribute
[20:17] <wxl> there is no other way
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> I would like to help with Ubuntu
[20:17] <LuckyTheTester2> But not with Money
[20:17] <wxl> contribute = volunteering
[20:18] <wxl> so you could test, for example
[20:18] <LuckyTheTester2> But I installed Kubuntu 17.04 On my iMac 2007
[20:18] <LuckyTheTester2> But the Internet Doesn't Work.
[20:19] <LuckyTheTester2> Yeah
[20:19] <LuckyTheTester2> But I cant Report Bugs
[20:20] <LuckyTheTester2> Bye
[20:20] <wxl> have you consulted with the support channel for help?
[20:22] <acheronUK> WUM?
[21:01] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
[21:01] <wxl> is that a yes? :)
[21:01] <LuckyTheTester2> Are you On?
[21:03] <LuckyTheTester2> Me?
[21:03] <wxl> yep
[21:04] <wxl> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/06/01/%23lubuntu-devel.html#t20:20
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> No
[21:05] <wxl> that's where i'd start
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> Yes
[21:05] <LuckyTheTester2> I did
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> But like nobody can Answer my Queston
[21:06] <wxl> and what happened?
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> The guy said to stay idle
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> and maybe someone could help me
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> But I left
[21:06] <wxl> that's the advice i'd follow
[21:06] <LuckyTheTester2> Currently I'm Online, Testing.
[21:07] <LuckyTheTester2> I thought it was Supposed to be Easy to Use.
[21:07] <LuckyTheTester2> But the Guy I met Yesterday said I should try Kubuntu 17.04
[21:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Cause the LTS Version is "Buggy"
[21:07] <LuckyTheTester2> Well
[21:07] <LuckyTheTester2> I haven't Experienced bugs with it.
[21:08] <LuckyTheTester2> But he seems Wise.
[21:09] <wxl> easy doesn't not mean fool proof
[21:10] <wxl> especially when it comes to hardware, which doesn't always have great support since manufacturers only occassionally ensure that there is support in the linux kernel
[21:10] <wxl> barring ability to stay on the irc channel, i would suggest using a mailing list instead
[21:10] <wxl> there's also reddit, askubuntu, the ubuntu forums, etc
[21:11] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[21:12] <LuckyTheTester2> I like live better
[21:12] <wxl> if your intention is to be a tester, you need to be able to know how to correctly describe problems
[21:12] <wxl> so you should be able to correctly describe your problem and get some help
[21:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[21:16] <LuckyTheTester2> Can you?
[21:16] <LuckyTheTester2> So Let me Specify my Problem.
[21:17] <wxl> i *CAN* help you but this is not the right forum for help
[21:17] <LuckyTheTester2> It seems like my Wi-FI Drivers are not Working.
[21:17] <LuckyTheTester2> But I make a New Connection
[21:17] <LuckyTheTester2> It doesn't work
[21:17] <wxl> since testing goes hand in hand with bug reporting and thus bug fixing, knowing the right resources for help and knowing how to diagnose things is helpful, too
[21:17] <LuckyTheTester2> But I did delete the First One at first
[21:18] <wxl> does that make sense?
[21:18] <LuckyTheTester2> Sort-Of
[21:19] <LuckyTheTester2> DUH
[21:19] <wxl> well let's say you're testing something and you find a problem and you want to check to see if anyone else is having the problem. you wouldn't go to the support forum
[21:19] <LuckyTheTester2> Yes
[21:19] <wxl> similarly you wouldn't go to the development forum to ask about support, especially not one that's for a different desktop environment :)
[21:19] <LuckyTheTester2> I'm Not A "Linux Master"
[21:19] <wxl> it's all good
[21:19] <wxl> we all start from humble beginnings :)
[21:20] <LuckyTheTester2> But I'm certainly Good with Technology.
[21:20] <wxl> good
[21:20] <wxl> then there's most likely a place for you in the ubuntu community as a contributor (read: volunteer)
[21:20] <wxl> but let's start with the basics
[21:20] <wxl> head over to #kubuntu and let's get this figured out
[21:21] <LuckyTheTester2> Ok
[22:34] <LuckyTheTester2> Hey
[22:34] <LuckyTheTester2> is anyone on?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> LuckyTheTester2: I'm kind of around :)
[22:39] <tsimonq2> LuckyTheTester2: But I'll have to go AFK shortly
[22:39] <tsimonq2> LuckyTheTester2: What's up?
[22:41] <wxl> you might prefer #lubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic for general conversation, LuckyTheTester2
[23:15] <LuckyTheTester2> Bye


[01:05] <Keybuk> o/~ I hate debugging
[06:12] <Keybuk> *stretches*
[06:13] <AlexExtreme> you know what? i've just switched to kde :P
[06:13] <Keybuk> from?
[06:13] <AlexExtreme> gnome
[06:14] <AlexExtreme> have you ever had problems with gnome getting so unbelievably slow that it takes 10 minutes to download 15 emails?
[06:15] <Keybuk> no?
[06:15] <Keybuk> which mail client?
[06:15] <AlexExtreme> thunderbird, but it's something to do with gnome because thunderbird is fine when run from other desktops
[06:16] <_ion> I've tried KDE every now and then for a long time, and never found it nice enough to use. :-)
[06:16] <_ion> Perhaps KDE 4 will change that. :-)
[06:16] <AlexExtreme> anyway, this is a bit off topic... ;)
[06:16] <AlexExtreme> yes, i'm looking forward to kde4
[06:16] <AlexExtreme> brb