[00:04] <kernelpanic> Hello everyone! I'm using overlayroot, so my rootfs is mounted ro in /media/root-ro/. When I do want to make changes, I do "mount -o remount,rw /media/root-ro/" and make changes below that folder. Recently, that stopped working and I now have to enter "mount -o remount,rw /media/root-ro" (note no ending slash) to make it work. Can anybody please help me figure out why this changed?
[00:04] <realies> running the script says Warning: Unable to open /dev/sr0 read-write (Read-only file system).  /dev/sr0 has been opened read-only.
[00:05] <underd0g> realies: sudo?
[00:05] <realies> underd0g, running as #
[00:06] <jk^> hi all, during lubuntu's installation i checked just "Install update"
[00:07] <Jordan_U> kernelpanic: Please pastebin the contents of /proc/self/mounts before and after remounting rw.
[00:07] <nacc> realies: why are you tryingn to open  a disc drive as rw?
[00:07] <jk^> https://goo.gl/images/sJ3f2J how to install third-part software later? when operating system is installed?
[00:08] <realies> nacc, trying to resize my root partition to max vdisk size
[00:08] <TJ-> realies: sorry, was away. If the 'disk' is GPT labelled you first need to relocate the secondary/backup GPT to end of disk, easiest to do that using "sgdisk -e /dev/vda"
[00:08] <nacc> realies: that is unlikely to be sr0
[00:09] <TJ-> realies: GPT installs master at start of disk, and secondary at end of disk. When you enlarge the enclosing file you have to first relocate the secondary to the new end of disk
[00:09] <realies> TJ-, https://dpaste.de/ocrk/raw
[00:09] <realies> i guess it's time for pvresize > lvextend > resize2fs
[00:09] <TJ-> realies: right, so now do "partprobe /dev/vda"
[00:10] <TJ-> realies: no, we've still got to resize partition 3 :)
[00:10] <realies> no output of partprobe TJ-
[00:10] <Bashing-om> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | jk^
[00:11] <TJ-> realies: that means it worked :) now we need to resize: Try "parted /dev/vda unit s resizepart 3 -1"
[00:11] <kernelpanic> Jordan_U, thanks! https://pastebin.com/31ZXG35L
[00:11] <realies> parted: invalid option -- '1'
[00:11] <TJ-> realies: sorry! my fault
[00:11] <TJ-> realies:  Try "parted /dev/vda -- unit s resizepart 3 -1"
[00:11] <kernelpanic> Jordan_U, shows using trailing slash unsuccessfully first, then working without trailing slash. Its /dev/sda2
[00:11] <realies> Error: Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition.
[00:11] <TJ-> realies: we have to insert -- to prevent -1 later being interpreted as an option
[00:12] <TJ-> realies: grrr!
[00:12] <jk^> Bashing-om, i don't understand what i have to do :(
[00:12] <TJ-> realies: give me a moment I'll try it here on a loop device
[00:13] <Bashing-om> jk^: If it is your desire to install these propritary packages then ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras ' .
[00:14] <jk^> Bashing-om, is there a gui way?
[00:14] <jk^> :\
[00:14] <jk^> pls
[00:15] <realies> TJ-, is -1 implying max sector size?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> jk^: I am sure there is .. depending on your DE .. I do not run a GUI so can not advise .
[00:17] <jk^> Bashing-om, i use lubuntu
[00:21] <TJ-> realies: sorted it... -1 is a count from end-of-disk. Seeing as parted knows there's a 34-sector secondary GPT header I /assumed/ it'd calculate -1 from the end of free space, but it doesn't! This worked for me: "parted /dev/vda -- unit s resizepart 3 -35"
[00:21] <realies> ok, so Information: You may need to update /etc/fstab.
[00:22] <realies>  mount -a?
[00:23] <TJ-> realies: if that works you'll need to do "partprobe /dev/vda" to ensure the kernel knows about it, then - finally - "pvresize /dev/vda3; lvextend -l 100%FREE /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root; resize2fs /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root; df"
[00:25] <realies> New size given (2560 extents) not larger than existing size (3846 extents) Run `lvextend --help' for more information.
[00:25] <TJ-> realies: oh darn, I missed out a + symbol in front of the 100%FREE
[00:25] <kernelpanic> Jordan_U, any hint for me?
[00:25] <realies> oh :) yes
[00:25] <TJ-> realies: "lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root; resize2fs /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root; df"
[00:26] <realies> TJ- it worked :o
[00:26] <TJ-> realies: Finally :P
[00:26] <realies> ty so much
[00:26] <realies> that was a lot harder than i anticipated
[00:27] <TJ-> realies: it's an operation no-one does frequently enough to remember
[00:28] <TJ-> realies: parted is clever and ultra-dumb at the wrong times, unfortunately
[00:34] <realies> TJ-, not even sure of the correct order of things anymore... :)
[00:35] <realies> why is it not documented somewhere online?
[00:36] <kenrin> I'm sure it is
[00:36] <TJ-> realies: It's fallocate -l ???G /path/to/image; then in VM "sgisk -e /dev/vda; parted /dev/vda -- unit s resizepart 3 -35; pvresize /dev/vda3; lvextend ... LV; resize2fs LV"
[00:37] <TJ-> s/sgisk/sgdisk/
[00:43] <realies> so: sgdisk -e /dev/vda && parted /dev/vda -- unit s resizepart 3 -35 && pvresize /dev/vda3 && lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root && resize2fs /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root && df -h
[00:43] <realies> before which qemu-img resize vmdisk.img +10G
[00:44] <TJ-> realies: something like that :P
[00:46] <realies> qemu-img resize vs fallocate -l?
[00:52] <TJ-> realies: qemu if you're using qemu format images (such as qcow2)
[00:52] <TJ-> realies: I just used fallocate for testing here
[00:53] <Hitechcg> is https://www.ubuntu.com/ down for everyone or just me? I get "503 Service Unavailable"
[00:53] <kenrin> Looks dead
[00:54] <realies> TJ-, thanks a ton!
[00:54] <kenrin> The load balancer is still up
[00:59] <Kel> Anyone experiencing a higher than usual occurence of Byobu crashing?
[01:15] <TJ-> Hitechcg: sysadmins are working on the 503 issues
[01:18] <i486> what happened TJ- ?
[01:19] <uzumaki> i am new to linux. i have cloned an open source project from git in c++ can someone help me with how to start working on that project as i have always used IDE on windows before.
[01:19] <TJ-> i486: no information currently, but it's being dealt with
[01:20] <i486> TJ- what broke?
[01:20] <TJ-> Welcome uzumaki
[01:21] <uzumaki> hey TJ :D
[01:21] <TJ-> uzumaki: if you've cloned a project the 1st thing is to change into the project directory. If you did, for example, git clone https://domain.com/project.git you'll have a new directory "project" so "cd project" then list the files there with "ls -al"
[01:22] <TJ-> uzumaki: All terminal/shell commands on Linux are CaSe SeNsItIvE and almost all commands are all lower case
[01:23] <TJ-> uzumaki: file and directory names are also case sensitive on almost all file-systems, except for NTFS and vfat/exfat
[01:23] <uzumaki> i am familiar with basic command line so i have no problem in that actually i was hoping to find help with compiling and starting applications and cpp files
[01:24] <TJ-> uzumaki: well, that is usually very project-specific. It depends on which build tooling the project's developers chose
[01:24] <uzumaki> and how to @ any specific person in IRC? lol i am new to IRC too
[01:25] <TJ-> uzumaki: usually there'll be a README file in the root of project with some details
[01:25] <TJ-> uzumaki: tab-completion for names in most IRC clients
[01:26] <uzumaki> TJ- thanks i'll look into it
[01:27] <TJ-> uzumaki: as I said in the sysadmin channel, ##programmers and/or ##c++ might help as well
[01:27] <TJ-> uzumaki: ooops, typo!  ##programming
[01:28] <uzumaki> sure, i'll join them all too
[01:32] <catsoesh_> Hi!
[01:32] <catsoesh_> :/exit
[01:35] <doux> Can chroot mount its own boot partition?
[01:36] <doux> I mean, can you chroot into an installation and mount that installation's boot partition?
[01:36] <doux> in chroot
[01:36] <doux> ?
[01:38] <TJ-> doux: Yes
[01:38] <doux> TJ-: thanks
[01:38] <TJ-> doux: the usual way to do it is to mount the rootfs to the chroot directory, bind-mount proc sys dev dev/pts, chroot /target and "mount -a" to read and automount from fstab
[01:39] <doux> TJ-: ah, a little more complicated than just chrooting in...
[01:40] <TJ-> doux: e.g. "sudo mkdir /target; sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target; for n in proc sys dev dev/pts; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done; sudo chroot /target" then "mount -a" and do what you need to do
[01:41] <doux> TJ-: Thanks for that!
[02:16] <catsoesh_> hello
[02:17] <uzumaki> hello
[02:17] <i486> Hi
[02:20] <ganbat> hi all
[02:26] <gioan> hello
[02:26] <gioan> i am a new ubuntu
[02:27] <i486> hi
[02:27] <zhenglingwu> exit
[02:27] <i486> you need any help?
[02:27] <gioan> i want to change themes and icon MacOS on my ubuntu, what i to do?
[02:28] <cuddlesquid> i thought he was telling someone else to exit.. looks like he misstyped /exit ;d
[02:29] <i486> ^^^ lmao
[02:29] <zhenglingwu> exit
[02:29] <ganbat> how to wifi adapter insatlling help me
[02:29] <cuddlesquid> haha
[02:30] <kenrin> Did you download a theme and put it in your folder ?  If so just open tweak tool and select
[02:30] <cuddlesquid> ganbat: normally your wifi adapter is already configurd with ubuntu
[02:30] <gioan> i want to .sh run
[02:30] <gioan> run auto with terminal
[02:30] <kenrin> I can't decipher that
[02:31] <jennie> i tried transfering 4000bytes from unix host to windows host using TFTP using netascii mode. File trasnfer was successful but windows host is reporting file size as 4050bytes, why?
[02:31] <cuddlesquid> gioan: would crontab help you in that situation?
[02:31] <masber> good afternoon, I have a problem were collectl is not picking up my nvme drives
[02:31] <gioan> 2 year ago i can changes anythings with .sh file
[02:32] <masber> any idea?
[02:32] <gioan> what is crontab ?
[02:32] <ganbat> cuddlesquid tl-wn8200nd
[02:33] <gioan> please further crontab information
[02:33] <cuddlesquid> gioan: its a job scheduler, you said you wanted auto start .sh script right?
[02:33] <gioan> yes
[02:33] <ganbat> how to tl-wn8200nd insatlling
[02:34] <cuddlesquid> ganbat: its been a while since ive actually installed wifi adapters, ubuntu should already configure for one like that, a tp-link, what version of ubuntu are you using...
[02:34] <gioan> .sh file of MACOS themes and icon for ubuntu 16.04
[02:34] <cuddlesquid> did you check to make sure tl-wn8200nd is supported by linux ?
[02:34] <cuddlesquid> gioan: i dont know anyting about mac.. sorry
[02:35] <kenrin> What does the .sh file do ?  Does it just unpack into theme dir ?
[02:37] <kenrin> Running random scripts is pretty sketchy.  There is plenty of legitimate PPAs for macbuntu themes
[02:53] <masber> no one? I don't have this issue on centos so this is a ubuntu config thing
[02:54] <Howie69> Missed the question
[02:54] <masber> Howie69, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1002242/collectl-is-not-recognising-my-nvme-drives
[02:56] <Howie69> Is md running?
[02:57] <Howie69> iirc, there used to be a mdstat command or maybe /proc/mdstat or /proc/mdstatus
[02:57] <Howie69> (cat those)
[02:58] <lordcirth_> masber, --dskfilt might be relevant
[02:58] <Howie69> Yep.  I'm rusty.
[02:59] <lordcirth> masber, there's a guy here who implies that setting collectl.conf fixes it: https://sourceforge.net/p/collectl/discussion/696865/thread/24979ba5/
[03:00] <masber> lordcirth_, yes I saw that they didn't specify which fixes... I also checked collectl documentation about the config file and could not find anything
[03:00] <masber> lordcirth, I also tried collectl -sD --dskfilt nvme0n1 which didn't work
[03:03] <masber> lordcirth, this works in centos out of the box. I checked the configuration files and they both same on ubuntu and centos
[03:03] <masber> so it has to be something else
[03:03] <masber> something specific in ubuntu
[03:04] <lordcirth> masber, is the version of collectl the same?
[03:04] <masber> good point, let me check
[03:04] <Howie69> lordcirth: beat me to it
[03:05] <masber> centos --> collectl V4.3.0-1 (zlib:2.061,HiRes:1.9725) : ubuntu --> collectl V4.0.4-1 (zlib:2.068,HiRes:1.9726) so ubuntu is slightly more recent
[03:05] <masber> ah no sorry
[03:05] <masber> centos is more recent
[03:06] <masber> that may explain
[03:06] <Howie69> masber: upgrade to 17.10
[03:08] <TJ-> masber: try adding this line to /etc/collectl.conf   DiskFilter = /cciss/c\d+d\d+ |hd[ab] | sd[a-z]+ |dm-\d+ |xvd[a-z] |fio[a-z]+ | vd[a-z]+ |emcpower[a-z]+ |psv\d+ |nvme\d+n\d /
[03:10] <masber> TJ-, no luck
[03:11] <masber> TJ-, sorry it works!
[03:11] <TJ-> masber: right; it needed the |nvme\d+n\d / pattern match to match the device naming in /proc/diskstats
[03:13] <masber> yep
[03:13] <masber> I hate performance tests!
[03:31] <totalconfusion42> Hey #ubuntu . I'm having a problem that's making me tear my hair out. It seems like my update server or PPA list is broken. I get the error "Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use." when I run sudo apt-get update . I've tried deleting everything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d . I've also tried running the command sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* . Nothing works. When "Be
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | totalconfusion42
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: wich ubuntu version are you on, and what kind of ppa's did you add to your system?
[03:34] <funyun> hi. i am running ubuntu on a proxmox vm. everytime i reboot the vm, i have to edit /etc/resolv.conf from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>. is this a ubuntu or proxmox problem? if ubuntu, anyone know how to solve it?
[03:34] <nacc> funyun: the former is sytemd-resolved
[03:34] <nacc> funyun: you don't need to change it each time
[03:35] <nacc> funyun: and i believe you can tell systemd-resolved to use <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:39] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: thanks for the help! I've recently installed google-chrome-stable then tried to install deluge torrent client, so I'm guessing one of those two broke it. Before that I've had Ethereum wallet's PPA not much more. It's a pretty recent system for me
[03:39] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: what is !ppapurge
[03:39] <totalconfusion42> is that a command?
[03:40] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: I'm on the latest Ubuntu version, 17.04
[03:41] <funyun> nacc: nice. any idea how?
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: 17.04 is end of life, you sure your not on 17.10?
[03:42] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: yeah just checked
[03:43] <totalconfusion42> hmmmm, I might of used an old image
[03:43] <totalconfusion42> would that explain my ppa/update issues?
[03:45] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: I'm running 16.04 on my laptop and apt-get is fine
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: 17.04 is a non-LTS version and now end of life, meaning not supported anymore
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: that means also repos or updates
[03:45] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: is 16.04 any different?
[03:48] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: how can I update my installation without formatting my computer? I'm deep in the country on a solar set up and I don't have a USB stick :/
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: your on 17.04 or 16.04? you lost me a bit?
[03:49] <totalconfusion42> laptop is 16.04 - works fine
[03:50] <totalconfusion42> desktop has the problem and is 17.04
[03:50] <nacc> totalconfusion42: 16.04 is LTS, 17.04 is nont.
[03:50] <nacc> *not
[03:50] <totalconfusion42> ooooo
[03:50] <totalconfusion42> i see
[03:50] <totalconfusion42> so am I completely screwed without a USB stick
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: no
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | totalconfusion42
[03:51] <totalconfusion42> thanks ubottu
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: but its also risky to keep using/upgrading your existing eol system
[03:52] <totalconfusion42> it'll have to do until I'm back in the city
[03:52] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje:
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: the longer you use an eol version, the more chance of security holes
[03:52] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: understood
[03:53] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: so what does LTS stand for?
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: long time support
[03:53] <totalconfusion42> limited time support?
[03:53] <totalconfusion42> oh
[03:53] <totalconfusion42> ok
[03:53] <totalconfusion42> i get it
[03:54] <trekkie1701c> The next LTS is scheduled for April I think.
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: non-lts is 9months support, its the users choice to use lts or non-lts
[03:54] <trekkie1701c> LTS is usually best unless you need or want something bleeding edge.
[03:54] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: I'll have a read of those links ubottu sent me - I guess they'll tell me how to keep this rig going
[03:54] <trekkie1701c> My servers use LTS, desktop environments are 17.10 due to driver compatibility.
[03:55] <nacc> trekkie1701c: you can use the HWE stack for that
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: the eolupgrade trigger, can help you still upgrade
[03:58] <Woodpecker> I have 17.10. 3 monitors. Is it possible to have two of them mirror eachotmer?
[04:07] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: I'm struggling a bit with this upgrade
[04:07] <trekkie1701c> There's no particular way to disable nouveau on a live session, is there?
[04:07] <totalconfusion42> "sudo aptitude install update-manager-core update-manager" throws an error - sudo: aptitude: command not found
[04:08] <trekkie1701c> Try apt
[04:08] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje:  I'm following this article https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[04:08] <totalconfusion42> thanks trekkie1701c
[04:10] <totalconfusion42> hey trekkie1701c
[04:11] <totalconfusion42> I'm at the section titled "Kernal" which command do I want to run
[04:11] <totalconfusion42> trekkie1701c: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[04:12] <trekkie1701c> To be honest, I'm not sure.  I've never done an EOL upgrade before
[04:12] <trekkie1701c> Sorry.  :(
[04:12] <totalconfusion42> trekkie1701c: ok thanks
[04:13] <totalconfusion42> lotuspsychje: I'm at the section titled "Kernal" which command do I want to run? - This is the article I'm referencing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: it would be better if you clean installed a supported ubuntu version from topic
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: now you have a scrambled eol system with external ppa's that might be unsafe
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> totalconfusion42: another way out of this, is loading a new ubuntu iso from your grub, to install
[04:48] <at[m]> hey everyone
[04:49] <at[m]> I was trying to update from 14.04 to whatever the latest is and somewhere along the way I got stuck in a libc / kernel update limbo
[04:49] <at[m]> I can't upgrade to the latest distro because "This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or later.  Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc."
[04:52] <xromulus> What did you type?
[04:53] <xromulus> Did you update and dist-upgrade?
[04:55] <at[m]> let me find it
[04:56] <at[m]> I did do-release-upgrade
[04:56] <xromulus> Also are you trying to upgrade to lts?
[04:56] <at[m]> I don't care for lts
[04:56] <at[m]> this is more of a sandbox
[04:57] <xromulus> Is it server or desktop
[04:57] <at[m]> server
[04:57] <at[m]> cli only
[05:01] <xromulus> Did you do this?
[05:01] <xromulus> https://www.linuxbabe.com/linux-server/upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-ubuntu-16-04-server
[05:02] <at[m]> didn't do the -d flag
[05:02] <at[m]> but other than that it seems about right
[05:19] <xromulus> at[m]: I'm not super smart.. sit tight someone might be able to help you
[05:19] <xromulus> :)
[05:22] <Flannel> at[m]: What did you do before running do-release-upgrade?
[05:29] <catalase> anyone have experience with dante?
[05:29] <catalase> dante-server rather?
[05:29] <catalase> i've tried this config: https://www.inet.no/dante/doc/1.3.x/config/server.html
[05:30] <catalase> server is listening on 1080
[05:30] <catalase> but i am not getting internets
[05:30] <catalase> firefox went from connection refused, to the connection was reset
[05:31] <catalase> and logs aren't showing shit
[05:32] <shin_> hello?
[05:41] <Sean_McG> hi :)
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Sean_McG: welcome, what can we do for you
[05:46] <viju> How do I add and use IPA (phonetic characters)? I am using Ubuntu 16.04
[05:49] <Sean_McG> lotuspsychje: for the moment, nothing special
[05:50] <Sean_McG> actually what is the proper way to add GPG keys so that apt source does not complain about public signatures?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> !gpg | Sean_McG
[06:15] <Zombie> Can anyone reccommend a good utility for the creation of and Management of an internal, non-Public CA?
[06:21] <R3d_Sky> hello.
[06:25] <Starcraftmazter> hu'
[06:26] <Starcraftmazter> my colleague who is also called by my name but definitely not me, he has ubuntu 16.10 and he wants to upgrade but it tells him that it cant connect to the server to update packages / reload packages
[06:26] <Starcraftmazter> any advice?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | Starcraftmazter
[06:32] <Starcraftmazter> lotuspsychje: says service unavailable :(
[06:38] <Sean_McG> sounds like you have no connection to the Internet, or perhaps a firewall or filtering proxy in the way?
[06:41] <Starcraftmazter> lotuspsychje: thanks
[06:41] <Starcraftmazter> Sean_McG: i think the site is just intermittedly 503ing
[06:52] <lost-> is there any command to count how many emails I have in my mail inbox?
[07:06] <hanhongbo> hi
[07:07] <diskin> lost-, where is your mailbox?
[07:08] <JoeLlama> okay I'm looking for a utility that will do file transfers with verification between drives.  Something with a GUI would be nice.  Anyone? :)
[07:08] <lost-> using 'mail' ssh command
[07:10] <JoeLlama> coping files with Verify? anyone know of a decent utility?
[07:13] <diskin> lost-, AFAIK, "mail" command can handle many mailbox types, both local and remote. What type of mailbox are you using?
[07:13] <lost-> postfix
[07:19] <diskin> lost-, https://serverfault.com/a/289177 - is it what you want?
[07:20] <lankanmon> hey guys, so I am running 17.10 and I logged in today and my desktop looks like this: http://oi67.tinypic.com/2dqtyk3.jpg
[07:21] <lankanmon> the bar that goes on the top and the left is now at the bottom... how did this happen?
[07:21] <lankanmon> is this a setting?
[07:23] <lost-> diskin yess, thank you!
[07:24] <diskin> lankanmon, can you drag it to the top?
[07:25] <lankanmon> diskin: no, I tried that...
[07:25] <lankanmon> it seems to be on purpose as it replaces both the side and top menus
[07:26] <diskin> lankanmon, try gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[07:28] <lankanmon> diskin: before I do that, do you know how it may have happend. I don't hate it, I just wanted to know if it is a setting
[07:29] <diskin> lankanmon, agree. let's wait for others then :)
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> lankanmon: that doesnt look like 17.10
[07:33] <lankanmon> lotuspsychje: here's another image: https://imgur.com/r5Dm0Pz
[07:33] <diskin> lankanmon, https://askubuntu.com/questions/132786/how-can-i-move-the-top-panel-to-the-bottom-in-gnome-3
[07:33] <diskin> ah, so it's Cinnamon
[07:34] <lankanmon> what does that mean?
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> lankanmon: that looks more like a gnome classic then gnome3
[07:35] <lankanmon> interesting...
[07:35] <lankanmon> is that an option in settings?
[07:35] <lankanmon> where would I be able to find that?
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> lankanmon: how about you tell us first how you installed ubuntu and what else you did?
[07:35] <mst89> looks like a highly customized gnome3 to me
[07:36] <lankanmon> honestly, I just downlnloaded and installed as usuall. It lookes like regular know until I logged in right now...
[08:01] <hanabishi> hello everyone
[08:01] <hanabishi> hope good days to everyone
[08:46]  * jordila it's Dropbox Desktop app at his ubuntu says... "Can't sync not enough disk free disk space"
[08:47] <jordila> ...^^ ( before dropping onto Dropbox forums ) ... how come that an App is claiming "not enough disk space" , while 'df -h' shows '3,2 G' available ?
[08:48] <jordila> what am i missing ?
[09:01] <surveyor3> Hello!
[09:01] <surveyor3> Can I ask you how much ram does Gnome use in Ubuntu 17.10?
[09:02] <surveyor3> mine is using 900 MiB
[09:04] <pizzaburger> Hi! Is there a way to download bot-sent files while using a web-based irc client?
[09:05]  * jordila solve ^^ :-)
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !warez | pizzaburger
[09:16] <surveyor3> I mean can you check how much ram is using gnome-shell in your PC? Is it normal that mine is using 900 MiB?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> surveyor3: gnome is bit more heavy then unity for use
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> surveyor3: htop to see whats going on
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> surveyor3: are you logged into wayland or xorg?
[09:19] <surveyor3> xorg quite surely
[09:19] <surveyor3> lotspsychje:
[09:19] <surveyor3> lotuspsychje
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:22] <maret> hi everyone, i am connecting to server through ssh . I've run command to start an ongoing process. If I cancel ssh connection does the process also stops?
[09:23] <diskin> you need to use "screen" command for such cases
[09:30] <maret> diskin, ok thanks i will take a look
[09:31] <hateball> !screen | maret
[09:42] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> it took me hours to figure out all the quirks of systemd but now I definitely know more
[09:42] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> however, it also sprouted a certain hate for systemd... lol
[09:42] <ssarah> I'm inside my home machine with ssh. If I would have logged in using a shell it would have automounted my partitions. How do I do this via ssh?
[09:45] <dreamlinux-user> @Fire-Dragon-DoL, I would like to see it as an extension for init
[09:46] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I still struggle to understand the whole startup. There is init.d, systemd, but there is also the `rc` script which i don't remember the exact name
[09:46] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> oh and there is the `service` command
[09:48] <dreamlinux-user> This is just for sysvinit backwards compatibility if I remember it right..
[09:55] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> yeah I guessed it was because of that
[09:55] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> still, very confusing
[09:55] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> and the instructions on web are so updated
[09:55] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I didn't know systemd was the one that should be used
[09:55] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I like the dependency and grouping system though
[09:56] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> that will simplify my server setup a lot
[09:57] <causative> ssarah, what partition is it not mounting?
[09:58] <ssarah> all of them. normally on a graphical login they all mount
[09:58] <ssarah> or they mount as i click on them in thunar
[09:58] <causative> you can say "sudo mount -a" to mount what is in /etc/fstab
[09:58] <ssarah> if i run thunar through ssh -X it will tell me im not authorized. if i run sudo thunar it will not list the partitions
[09:58] <ducasse> ssarah: as long as they are listed in fstab, all your filesystems should be mounted either way
[09:59] <ssarah> they are not listed in fstad
[09:59] <ssarah> im using xubuntu, mind you
[10:00] <causative> you can say "sudo mount /dev/<some device> /<path>/<to>/<mount"
[10:01] <ssarah> causative, i know, but like i said, on a graphical login it will list all available partitions and then mount them for you (after you  if you click on them via the desktop or thunar i believe)
[10:02] <hateball> ssarah: are these fuse-mounted things?
[10:02] <ssarah> im using thunar remotely via ssh -X
[10:03] <ilfpott_> hey
[10:03] <ilfpott_> how od I oopoen README.md file
[10:04] <ilfpott_> .md has strange code
[10:04] <ilfpott_> it's markdown
[10:04] <ilfpott_> language
[10:06] <daumie> We can't get you ilfpott_ . What's the issue? Shed more light.
[10:06] <ssarah> ilfpott_, apt-cache search markdown <- pick one ? :)
[10:07] <ssarah> hateball, I'm not sure what your question means.
[10:08] <hateball> ssarah: I mean that if you log in graphically, click say... an NTFS-partition, that'll use fuse to mount the partition in your user context and not using fstab
[10:08] <ssarah> i have no idea what the standard behaviour on xubuntu is
[10:08] <hateball> ssarah: and so it would not get auto-mounted when you log in through a non-graphical shell
[10:09] <ssarah> so hateball, can i trigger the fuse mount via shell ?
[10:09] <hateball> ssarah: sure, "fusermount"
[10:09] <hateball> ssarah: likely there is a config saved for it that autoruns on GUI session start
[10:10] <ssarah> $ fusermount: missing mountpoint argument
[10:12] <hateball> yes, you'd need to know what and where to mount, hence why I said there's probably a config saved by the GUI that you could look at
[10:12] <Ben64> or just add em to fstab
[10:12] <ssarah> you happen to know where that file is?
[10:12] <hateball> That works also :D
[10:12] <hateball> ssarah: Sorry no, I use KDE with kio, it's not the same as gnome or xfce which uses gvfs I think?
[10:13] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I tried to update mariadb on ubuntu 14.04. After the update, maria wouldn't start.
[10:13] <hateball> but like Ben64 says, make a permanent mount in /etc/fstab and it doesnt matter where you login from
[10:13] <Shawn|C2Duo> howdy
[10:13] <bobdobbs> Now when I try to do 'service mysql start', the prompt just hangs
[10:13] <Shawn|C2Duo> are apt-get update zesty updates done with?
[10:13] <ssarah> doing a grep -r fusermount on my home
[10:14] <bobdobbs> I've got a feeling that I might have more thatn on mysql client installed. How can I check this?
[10:14] <ssarah> bobdobbs, try service mysql status or go do a tail -f on the log file
[10:15] <bobdobbs> ssarah: at one terminal, I'm trying to start it. From the other term 'service mysql status' returns "post-start process 13548"
[10:15] <bobdobbs> ssarah: I'll check the log file. (last time I checked it was pretty bare)
[10:16] <bobdobbs> /var/log/mysql.err is empty.
[10:16] <bobdobbs> ssarah: I'll see what else is happening in the log directory
[10:16] <ssarah> I think you should also ask for help in #mariadb
[10:17] <bobdobbs> ssarah: sure thing. But I suspect that this is an ubuntu admin issue
[10:17] <ducasse> Shawn|C2Duo: zesty is eol, you need to upgrade to artful
[10:17] <bobdobbs> ssarah: there's another dir: 'var/log/mysql'.  It has a sing file: error.log. That log just shows a successful shutdown
[10:18] <bobdobbs> nothing really there: https://hastebin.com/xusaziwune.pl
[10:18] <Shawn|C2Duo> I had an upgrade window, but its gone
[10:18] <ducasse> bobdobbs: did you update from the ubuntu repos?
[10:18] <Shawn|C2Duo> I had to restart
[10:19] <Shawn|C2Duo> now whenever I run sudo apt-get upgrade it gives 404s
[10:19] <ssarah> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19299950/mysql-terminated-with-status-1 <-see if anything useful in the answers here
[10:19] <ssarah> bobdobbs, ^
[10:19] <bobdobbs> oh wait. this might be something: So no one prompt I tried to do 'service mysql restart'. That prompt is hanging, but it does show: "stop: Unknown instance"
[10:19] <bobdobbs> ssarah, ducasse I'll check....
[10:19] <ducasse> Shawn|C2Duo: you can use do-release-upgrade
[10:20] <Shawn|C2Duo> ah ty
[10:20] <ssarah> nothing about fusermount on my home. I guess I'll just use mount
[10:21] <ssarah> Sucks.
[10:21] <ducasse> bobdobbs: what's the output of 'apt-cache policy mariadb-server' - can you pastebin it?
[10:21] <bobdobbs> ducasse: oh. I don't think I did. I followed the instructions on this page: http://sharadchhetri.com/2014/11/15/install-mariadb-server-10-0-ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr/
[10:21] <bobdobbs> ducasse: sure thing...
[10:21] <snowweb> hello
[10:22] <bobdobbs> ducasse: https://hastebin.com/gecekecibe.rb
[10:22] <ducasse> bobdobbs: that's a third-party repo, those packages aren't supported here
[10:22] <bobdobbs> oh crap
[10:22] <Shawn|C2Duo> I thought I was using an LTS distro
[10:22] <Shawn|C2Duo> is lubuntu 17.04 LTS done with?
[10:23] <ducasse> Shawn|C2Duo: no, 17.04 is not an lts - 16.04 is the latest lts
[10:23] <Shawn|C2Duo> oh oops
[10:23] <ssarah> bobdobbs, if it's not a production database or if you have a provisioning script, consider doing an apt-get purge for all the sql/mariadb packages and then redoing the installation
[10:23] <bobdobbs> ssarah: it's a production host :/
[10:24] <bobdobbs> ssarah, ducasse should I remove the packages without purging, remove the repos, add the proper repos, and then re-install/reconfigure ?
[10:25] <bobdobbs> I've backed up the databases. But I'd prefer to leave them in place
[10:25] <ssarah> try the stuff on that stackoverflow first
[10:25] <ssarah> like running mysqld directly
[10:25] <bobdobbs> ssarah: which SO/
[10:26] <ssarah> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19299950/mysql-terminated-with-status-1 <- posted it above
[10:26] <bobdobbs> sorry. missed it. thanks
[10:26] <ssarah> also check the stuff inside the /etc/init.d/mysqlsomething file . to see what command is being called when you do a service restart
[10:26] <ssarah> you can try doing an strace command
[10:27] <ssarah> it's a game now, not sure if it will take less time than just redoing the whole thing. good luck
[10:27] <bobdobbs> debugging with strace is a little beyond, I'm afraid
[10:28] <ssarah> sometimes strace command will print out errors that are not being logged anywhere
[10:28] <bobdobbs> ssarah: running from command line shows me something interesting: https://hastebin.com/ebuxipehex.sql
[10:28] <bobdobbs> line 16
[10:28] <bobdobbs> could be a conf issue?
[10:29] <Shawn|C2Duo> on an ssd, can a system upgrade go fast?
[10:30] <ssarah> bobdobbs, looks like it, your old config is not compatible with the newer version. try removing that line. maybe another one will make it fail after
[10:30] <tomreyn> Shawn|C2Duo: it can go faster
[10:30] <ssarah> but keep checking :)
[10:30] <tomreyn> Shawn|C2Duo: if you're comparing to classic HDDs
[10:30] <bobdobbs> ssarah: hunting down the line in the conf files now
[10:30] <Shawn|C2Duo> it said a few ours
[10:30] <Shawn|C2Duo> hours
[10:31] <ducasse> Shawn|C2Duo: depends on line speed etc
[10:31] <tomreyn> Shawn|C2Duo: those estimations are not very precise, it's difficult t guess this correctly.
[10:31] <Shawn|C2Duo> it a;ready downloaded
[10:31] <Shawn|C2Duo> its in the install segment now
[10:32] <ssarah> Shawn|C2Duo, ssd's have their own firmware, sometimes only updatable through windows. also, updating the mobo will make it go faster
[10:32] <ssarah> only after these two steps should you focos on the OS
[10:32] <tomreyn> Shawn|C2Duo: then it'll likely be less than 2 hours. but there, too, it depends on how many packages you have installed (and which ones).
[10:32] <Shawn|C2Duo> o.O
[10:33] <Shawn|C2Duo> 2 hours even on ssd?
[10:33] <tomreyn> Shawn|C2Duo: "likely [..] less than 2 hours" is what i wrote.
[10:33] <Shawn|C2Duo> less than an hour?
[10:34] <Shawn|C2Duo> perhaps?
[10:34] <tomreyn> perhaps
[10:34] <ducasse> ssarah: he's running an eol os, so he needs to upgrade it
[10:34] <ssarah> ducasse, ah, the do-release-upgrade thing. Yeh it takes a while.
[10:35] <ducasse> Shawn|C2Duo: it usually takes about 10-15 minutes on my desktop
[10:35] <tomreyn> Shawn|C2Duo: in case you are comparing this to upgrades of say... windows, keep in mind that windows only upgrades the OS and some core packages. what you are doing right now is an upgrade of both the OS and all installed applications.
[10:35] <bobdobbs> ssarah, ducasse: that did it. Thanks both. A line in an older conf file prevented the newer client from working
[10:35] <Shawn|C2Duo> ah
[10:35] <ssarah> bobdobbs, no problem buddy
[10:37] <bobdobbs> ssarah: I'll let this host limp along for now. On a quiet weekend I'll fix the repos issue.
[10:38] <ssarah> bobdobbs, there's no problem with the repo being the official one from mariadb. As long as they support the OS/version.
[10:38] <ssarah> you'll just loose support from ubuntu/debian itself.
[10:38]  * bobdobbs nods. strokes beard.
[10:38] <ssarah> but you're supported by someone else
[10:38]  * bobdobbs remembers that self haz no beard
[10:42] <Shawn|C2Duo> we need this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNk6-0rDdto
[10:48] <l0llip0p> Hi! Does one know how to cconfigure snap package's mouse icon? Every time I use application that has been installed with snap-package magager the mouse icon changes to ugly one ?
[10:48] <Shawn|C2Duo> bobdobbs, no reaction?
[10:48] <anddam> I keep seeing "trust this device" on my iOS 11.something when connecting the usb cable to my xenial
[10:49] <anddam> I see reference this being related to changes on iOS side of "USB security" that should be addressed by libimobile, I'm not able to find a specific bug for this
[10:50] <anddam> is there a way to solve this? the issue is particularly annoying since in iOS 11 trusting requires manually entering the PIN so unplugging/plugging the phone back gets quickly annoying
[10:51] <anddam> that's too many "annoying", but you get the point
[11:59] <gagandeep> hello this is my first time logging into an irc channel!
[12:10] <PCatinean> When an application prints to stdout it has a lot of bash colors for ERROR warning. When logging it to a .log file obviously these are gone, any way one can retrieve them from the log along with the colors?
[12:13] <lliurex_> f
[12:13] <lliurex_> sara sal del almacen
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:18] <ducasse> PCatinean: color escape sequences are typically not saved to logs, try something like CCZE, maybe
[12:19] <PCatinean> ducasse, before I worry about that how do I print the logs to stdout without robbing the logfile of the content?
[12:19] <PCatinean> as in read from the logfile to stdout instead of redirect from logfile to stdout
[12:22] <ducasse> you can just cat the logfile, that shouldn't remove anything
[12:23] <PCatinean> ducasse, this is for a docker application where logs should be persistent on a volume but constantly printed to stdout as well
[12:24] <PCatinean> so when one does docker logs container he would get the current logs
[12:24] <PCatinean> including with follow
[12:25] <ducasse> not familiar with docker, sorry
[12:28] <PCatinean> should  make no difference here, stdoud should follow the contents of file.log constantly
[12:28] <PCatinean> wile file.log should keep the contents
[12:28] <deem> PCatinean: you could start the service with a tail for the log
[12:28] <PCatinean> deem, how?
[12:29] <deem> you append a line to your startup script which contains "tail -f file.log"
[12:29] <deem> you maybe need to modify some other lines aswell
[12:33] <daumie> Using Ubuntu:16.04. I'm unable to login past the password prompt screen as the machine freezes. I can't input anything on the password prompt box.
[12:33] <daumie> Hoe do I resolve this ^^^^^
[12:33] <daumie> **How
[12:48] <asceel> ciao
[13:01] <murii> Hey! Can someone help me out with this?
[13:01] <murii> https://hastebin.com/oxoteromec.sql
[13:01] <murii> I can't apt-get upgrade
[13:02] <cfhowlett> !zesty | murii time to upgrade
[13:02] <murii> damn
[13:02] <murii> thanks for the info!
[13:02] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[13:04] <hateball> !eolupgrade | murii
[13:17] <Kingsy> why cant I find the package alsa-lib ? what is the equiv ?
[13:19] <leeyaa> hello
[13:19] <cfhowlett> Kingsy, ubuntu 16.04 apt searach alsa-lib https://paste.ubuntu.com/26505608/
[13:20] <leeyaa> why does update-notifier differ from apt-get when checking for security packages ? https://bpaste.net/show/f3b497515151
[13:20] <TJ-> !info libasound2 | Kingsy
[13:21] <Kingsy> oh, hm I installed those, but when I run a make on this app I get --> No package 'alsa' found
[13:21] <Kingsy> so something is missing
[13:21] <Kingsy> checking for ALSA... no
[13:21] <Kingsy> however if I type alsa -v I get Usage: /sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume} so its 100% installed.
[13:21] <Cheez> tried libsound2-dev
[13:22] <Kingsy> E: Unable to locate package libsound2-dev
[13:22] <Kingsy> oh I have it. libasound2-dev
[13:25] <Cheez> sorry, i suck at typing
[13:34] <museigen> hello all
[13:34] <lolbanana> anyone here familiar with LXD?
[14:05] <leeyaa> is using this one liner a reliable way to pull packages with security updates? apt-get -s dist-upgrade |grep "^Inst" |grep -i securi
[14:05] <cfhowlett> the -s will only simulate the command not execute
[14:05] <leeyaa> yes, ill use the output to pull packages and install them
[14:07] <leeyaa> basically i am going to do something like this: https://bpaste.net/show/464df2912068 replacing update-notifier
[14:07] <lolbanana> nacc: you about?
[14:07] <TJ-> leeyaa: can't you just set the target? as in "sudo apt -t=xenial-security upgrade"
[14:08] <leeyaa> TJ-: hm, yeah i guess i could do that
[14:08] <leeyaa> will it work on all supported LTS releases ?
[14:09] <TJ-> leeyaa: --target has been a core part of apt as long back as I can remember, as long as you do <codename>-security it should work
[14:09] <leeyaa> TJ-: it doesnt pull just security tho
[14:09] <TJ-> leeyaa: really?
[14:10] <leeyaa> oh wait, my bad
[14:10] <TJ-> leeyaa: remember that -security packages also move over to -updates
[14:10] <leeyaa> i got confused by the The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: part
[14:12] <leeyaa> TJ-: it differs from apt-get -s dist-upgrade |grep "^Inst" |grep -i securi| wc -l https://bpaste.net/show/240c22678fa1
[14:13] <leeyaa> doesnt get same # of packages
[14:15] <leeyaa> as for -updates, does unattented-upgrades process -updates as well ?
[14:16] <TJ-> leeyaa: unattended can be configured for all or just security I think
[14:16] <leeyaa> i see
[14:16] <leeyaa> not sure if i want to install it, my nodes are minimal
[14:18] <TJ-> leeyaa: in your pastebin, you're limiting to -security, but as I said earlier, security updates migrate over to -updates too. The reason for -security is that archive is directly operated by Canonical so changes there appear immediately, wheres -updates may take some time to show the same packages if system's are using a mirror that doesn't sync frequently
[14:20] <TJ-> leeyaa: in other words securty fixes go: package > -security and -> -updates but then there can be a delay until all mirrors sync with -updates
[14:30] <ilfpott_> hey microsoft is evil
[14:30] <ilfpott_> and so is windows
[14:31] <cfhowlett> ilfpott_, FUD is unwelcome in this channel - even against other OSs
[14:32] <ilfpott_> huh?
[14:32] <ilfpott_> really of
[14:32] <ilfpott_> what is FUD, anyway
[14:32] <cfhowlett> !fud | ilfpott_
[14:32] <ilfpott_> Oh, so confidence on ubuntu = Fear
[14:32] <ilfpott_> uncertainty and doubt
[14:32] <ilfpott_> No
[14:33] <cfhowlett> the topic is ubuntu suport.  ask your support questions
[14:33] <ilfpott_> many believe microsoft is evil
[14:33] <ilfpott_> and i'd talk only with those users
[14:33] <cfhowlett> it's offtopic here.
[14:33] <ilfpott_> who share my tinking, and would like a community of interaction with them
[14:33] <cfhowlett> this isn't that community.
[14:33] <ilfpott_> No, I would chat only with them not you
[14:34] <ducasse> this channel isn't the place
[14:34] <ilfpott_> I am Anti-windows
[14:34] <Haim> should I use the propietory or free Radeon driver?
[14:34] <ilfpott_> there is no #Anti_windows channel
[14:34] <ilfpott_> Haim: use the free one
[14:34] <ilfpott_> fuck companies, they are Evil.
[14:34] <ducasse> make your own, then
[14:34] <Haim> any other non-biased opinions?
[14:34] <ilfpott_> Foss , is the new way.
[14:34] <ducasse> and watch the language
[14:35] <ilfpott_> We are biased towards FOSS
[14:35] <ilfpott_> That's the whole point of Ubuntu, to be "biased" against closed source restriction
[14:35] <tomreyn> Haim: whc ubuntu release, and which hardware?
[14:35] <tomreyn> *which
[14:35] <ilfpott_> I am absolutely agianst apple, and Microsoft
[14:36] <Haim> tomreyn: 16.04 Radeon HD 6xxx
[14:36] <Haim> HD 6790
[14:37] <tomreyn> Haim: i think there are no compatible / supported proprietary drivers for this hardwar eon 16.04, so it's pretty easy.
[14:38] <tomreyn> Haim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#fglrx
[14:38] <hateball> !alis | ilfpott_ you can use this to search for channels that might suit your discussion
[14:39] <tomreyn> Haim : more info here ("before you proceeed"): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[14:39] <ilfpott_> everyone "worships" Mac esp in America
[14:39] <ilfpott_> Why is that ? Why no one uses Ubuntu?
[14:40] <Haim> tomreyn: thanks man
[14:40] <ilfpott_> We need to CS department in Universities to install Ubuntu over windows
[14:40] <ducasse> ilfpott_: please just stop, you've been told this is the wrong place
[14:40] <ilfpott_> ubuntu is the best place to promote ubuntu
[14:41] <ilfpott_> I am not trying to create a controversy here.
[14:41] <cfhowlett> then stay on topic
[14:41] <cfhowlett> ubuntu support
[14:42] <ilfpott_> is there a offtopic "liberal" ubuntu channel, where i can meet like minded community
[14:42] <hateball> !ot | ilfpott_
[14:42] <cfhowlett> use !alis as instructed above
[14:43] <ilfpott_> Are you against Evil Microsoft ducasse cfhowlett
[14:44] <cfhowlett> I'm against rude poeple who ignore the rules of the community.  and you are the first entry to my 2018 /ignore list
[14:44] <jk^> hi all, i installed lubuntu withouth check the second checkbox in this image https://goo.gl/images/sJ3f2J i could install that stuff later, but in the package "lubuntu-restricted-extras" it talks about just something This collection of packages includes:
[14:44] <jk^>  - MP3 and other audio codec software to play various audio formats
[14:44] <jk^>    (mplayer plugins)
[14:44] <jk^>  - software to install the Microsoft Web fonts
[14:44] <jk^>  - the Adobe Flash plugin
[14:45] <ilfpott_> OMG you are against those who are against MS, this is worse than I thought.
[14:45] <yacc> Any way on an Intel/Nvidia laptop to power down the nvidia, so it stops heating up the laptop?
[14:45] <jk^> This software does not include libdvdcss2, and will not let you play
[14:45] <jk^> encrypted DVDs
[14:45] <ilfpott_> Looks like whole Linux Community has lost it's pride
[14:45] <jk^> it doesn't talk about wi-fi and graphics hardware as in the image in the link
[14:45] <cfhowlett> jk^, no need to quote it all.  what is your question
[14:45] <hateball> yacc: use nvidia-prime and pick Intel
[14:46] <cfhowlett> ah.  wifi and graphics are not part of restricted extras jk^
[14:46] <yacc> hateball, and that powers it down?
[14:46] <hateball> jk^: for restricted drivers post-install, you'll want to use "ubuntu-drivers"
[14:46] <hateball> yacc: good question, I don't really know
[14:46] <jk^> !ubuntu-drivers
[14:47] <jk^> i'm using lubuntu
[14:47] <hateball> jk^: it's a command you run in terminal
[14:47] <jk^> is there a gui way?
[14:47] <hateball> there are gui frontends for it also, I just dont know what it is in Lubuntu
[14:47] <ilfpott_> Are there any Real anti - microsoft , Appplen, and company users, like Julian Assange, Julain Assange hates companies, as they are evil.
[14:47] <jk^> "Software and updates" i guees hateball
[14:47] <ilfpott_> hateball: you do hate MS?
[14:47] <ilfpott_> As your name suggests
[14:47] <hggdh> ilfpott_: please stop
[14:47] <hateball> jk^: yeah if you have a tab for drivers, that's the same as running ubuntu-drivers
[14:48] <Dekkard> so, generally, these uefi and firmware updates.. yes or no? Im running 16.04 (?) lts base
[14:49] <ducasse> Dekkard: expand on that, please?
[14:49] <cfhowlett> Dekkard, sudo apt dist-upgrade         keeps my system healthy.  ymmv.
[14:50] <Dekkard> yeah..recently Linus said the intel updates for meltdown and specter were garbage.. i would rather not mess with my firmware and have reboot loops
[14:50] <Dekkard>  im not running uefi, my lappy is old..
[14:50] <ilfpott_> Is Radeon a graphics card, that is physical, or is it a software ?
[14:51] <Dekkard> ilfpott_,  hardware
[14:51] <ducasse> Dekkard: you're talking about the microcode updates? those were pulled.
[14:51] <Dekkard> yeah.. but i already installed one..(ack!)
[14:52] <ducasse> Dekkard: check the version
[14:52] <hggdh> Dekkard: being pulled means the previous version was released again
[14:53] <Dekkard> checking...stand by
[14:54] <ilfpott_> how do we know, which cmd for checking the name of the drivers /
[14:54] <ducasse> Dekkard: 'apt policy intel-microcode'
[14:54] <ilfpott_> cfhowlett: why say nothing when on topic
[14:54] <ilfpott_> Looks like you were never into Ubuntu.
[14:55] <ilfpott_> With the oopensource movement soon microsoft will die a glorious death, with 10 yeaers
[14:57] <Dekkard> Installed: 3.20180108.0+really20170707ubuntu16.04.1
[14:57] <Dekkard>   Candidate: 3.20180108.0+really20170707ubuntu16.04.1
[14:57] <Dekkard> thanks for that btw
[14:58] <Dekkard> saw some intel memory policy extensions.. in the updater..
[14:58] <ducasse> Dekkard: that's the previous version, as you can tell from the 'really2017...'
[14:58] <Dekkard> gonna pull the trigger!!!
[14:58] <ilfpott_> Ubuntu is using pretty old kernel
[14:58] <Dekkard> yea.. but im on 4.15
[14:59] <ilfpott_> Why doesn't ubuntu use the latest kernel ?
[14:59] <ilfpott_> 4.14
[14:59] <Dekkard> alpha2
[14:59] <ducasse> !latest | ilfpott_
[15:00] <ilfpott_> But the kernel itself say 4.10 is too stable, and well tested, as it's not at all alpha.
[15:00] <ilfpott_> And arch and Fedora test them well
[15:00] <ilfpott_> They are not reading the old kernel's code anyway, how could they say, bug fixes
[15:00] <ducasse> 17.10 uses 4.13, that's not old.
[15:00] <jimb_> note: I think 4.15 is latest now.
[15:00] <ilfpott_> But fedora is not bugged any more than ubuntu is.
[15:01] <ilfpott_> then why 3.xx
[15:01] <ilfpott_> I use ubutnu 16.04
[15:01] <ilfpott_> xenial
[15:02] <ducasse> that also has 4.13 in the hwe packages
[15:03] <ilfpott_> but in packages
[15:03] <ilfpott_> not in kernel
[15:04] <ilfpott_> I joined #openbsd and got criticised , because I didn't knew programming
[15:04] <ducasse> huh? the 4.13 kernel is available as a package
[15:04] <ilfpott_> I was abused there , but ubuntu is a simpler system and is more friendly
[15:05] <ilfpott_> Why is openbsd so hostile to others, and mocks others
[15:05] <ilfpott_> and calls troll for asking just a simple question ?
[15:05] <ilfpott_> Here I am allowed to ask simple questions, but is something wrong there
[15:05] <ducasse> do you have an actual ubuntu support question?
[15:06] <ilfpott_> I had one on #openbsd, and they called me a troll
[15:07] <ilfpott_> Although here I admit, I am trolling, but still pretty tolerant and liberal community, and i was abused there severall times..
[15:08] <awani> Hi, My name is Awani Mishra. I'm new and I would like to contribute, can someone get me started?
[15:09] <ducasse> !contribute | awani
[15:09] <cfhowlett> !contribute | awani please read
[15:09] <ilfpott_> god bless Ubuntu and curse BSD
[15:10] <ilfpott_> awani: first learn baash, and ssh,iptables,etc, and C and then contribute
[15:10] <ilfpott_> and also the ubuntu ppa package management system
[15:14] <awani> Thanks :)
[15:15] <ilfpott_> ubuntu was the first operating system, that I begain with , and then shifted to arch
[15:16] <ilfpott_> arch is what I love now, but ubuntu will always remain my first Love
[15:16] <ilfpott_> although forgotten love
[15:16] <ilfpott_> and windows willl always remain my Sexual Abuser, I will never foorget the unpleasant windows I use for 6 years
[15:17] <ilfpott_> I wish I just earlier `escaped` from the shadow of windows, but no one was there to guide me
[15:17] <ilfpott_> That's one reason why I hate it so much, and mac
[15:17] <ilfpott_> I regret not knowing about Linux earlier
[15:18] <ducasse> again, do you have an actual ubuntu support question?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ilfpott_, one doesn't have to hate windows in order to like using linux
[15:18] <ducasse> in fact, doing so is rather childish
[15:19] <BluesKaj> ducasse, +1  :-)
[15:19] <seiburii> *agrees with BluesKaj*
[15:19] <ilfpott_> doing what?
[15:19] <ilfpott_> My computer science education professors are idiots, and taught mr everything on windows
[15:20] <ilfpott_> I think in US too windows is used, for "computer" edu
[15:20] <seiburii> sounds as though ilfpott is being poetic :). The indoctrination is strong with Windows to be sure.
[15:20] <seiburii> though*
[15:20] <blingrang> The best os in the world is the one which the user know how to use. For most its Windows.
[15:21] <ilfpott_> haha, Ubuntu is "easier" than windows, a survey was done to old people who never used computers in their life, and almost all said Ubuntu's UI is much more friendly and 'easy'
[15:22] <ilfpott_> I knew nothing, ssh,iptables, vpn server, web server, .. nothing
[15:22] <BluesKaj> for most windows is what runs all computers, there's no awareness of it as an operating system, it just does what they need
[15:22] <ilfpott_> I didn't even knew what the heck is a server
[15:22] <leeyaa> liefer: i learned most from gentoo, ubuntu is not that good for learning purposes
[15:22] <ilfpott_> and I used to ask strange quesstions like where is the internet's data stored, or what is internet
[15:23] <ilfpott_> leeyaa: It's the first step to Linux
[15:23] <leeyaa> liefer: if i have to recommend a distro to someone who starts now, i would recommend a distro where you build everything yourself
[15:23] <ducasse> !ot
[15:24] <leeyaa> sorry
[15:24] <hggdh> ilfpott
[15:24] <ilfpott_> I had abusive experience with windows hggdh
[15:24] <gracious1> ilfpott, that's very interesting. Do you have a link to the survey?
[15:24] <ilfpott_> and my computer education suffered a lot
[15:25] <ilfpott_> gracious1: no I read some article ages a ago
[15:25] <gracious1> Do you remember which GNU/Linux distro was mentioned in the article? I would imagine some distros are more beginner-friendly than others.
[15:25] <ducasse> "i read it on the internets, so it must be true"
[15:26] <jimb_> ducasse, Please stop quoting Abraham Lincoln
[15:26] <gracious1> Ducasse, that means that our minds are being controlled by nanobots who are the true leaders of the Deep State.
[15:28] <gracious1> Of course, this would explain The CW.
[15:28] <Dekkard> lol
[15:29]  * Dekkard recommends slackware to people who want to learn..but not be tortured
[15:42] <ilfpott_> As computers are getting more and more advance, will computers achieve super intelligence ? And take over the world ?
[15:43] <ilfpott_> I am in offtopic
[15:44] <ilfpott_> channel of ubuntu , I am leaving here ducasse
[15:44] <JoeLlama> anyone in here use CrystalHD?
[15:45] <TJ-> JoeLlama: the hardware decoder card?
[15:45] <JoeLlama> why yes, TJ-
[15:45] <JoeLlama> I have a bunch of them I love them when they work
[15:45] <TJ-> JoeLlama: I have one - mini-PCIe - but not sure which laptop it's in
[15:45] <JoeLlama> On "little machines" they do amazing things
[15:46] <JoeLlama> VLC supports it under linux from what I understand
[15:46] <TJ-> JoeLlama: oh, it's in a crate now, but yes, very useful for accelerating decoding
[15:46] <JoeLlama> I will install ubuntu on a 64 bitter soon (1.83 GHz 2G RAM)
[15:47] <JoeLlama> oh nice (:
[15:47] <JoeLlama> in a crate?
[15:47] <nemesys> if you wanna see the matrix, install arch linux
[15:47] <TJ-> !info libcrystalhd3
[15:47] <JoeLlama> I bought a small pile of them on eBay
[15:47] <JoeLlama> oOo :)
[15:47] <TJ-> JoeLlama: from that git-version string above, it looks like it's not been touched since 2011
[15:48] <JoeLlama> yup!
[15:48] <JoeLlama> me neither :(
[15:48] <JoeLlama> I need a g/f
[15:48] <TJ-> !info firmware-crystalhd
[15:48] <JoeLlama> oops
[15:48] <TJ-> !info firmware-crystalhd xenial
[15:48] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[15:48] <JoeLlama> well I know that GOM player supports it and VLC supports it under linux from what I understand
[15:49] <JoeLlama> GOM is kind of a weird but powerful player from korea
[15:49] <JoeLlama> korean software is a little weird :/
[15:49] <JoeLlama> CrystalHD does not support all video formats however
[15:50] <JoeLlama> but it's nice to be able to watch a video on an Intel Atom N270 (32 bit)
[15:50] <JoeLlama> 1.6 GHz
[15:51] <JoeLlama> I learned yesterday NOT to put one of those computers on a matress (bed) it over heated and the video shut down (ubuntu kept going)
[15:51] <JoeLlama> but I let it cool down for like 3 minutes and it was fine after that
[15:51] <JoeLlama> no CrystalHD in that box however
[15:52] <JoeLlama> Intel Atom is not very effective under windows but under linux it rox :) at least enough, it rox
[15:52] <JoeLlama> windows needs at least a couple of cores....  Intel Atom only has one
[15:52] <JoeLlama> well wait...
[15:53] <JoeLlama> intel atom n270 and n470 and others.., haven't researched all of them
[15:53] <JoeLlama> what is up TJ-? tell me something about ubuntu that is cool
[15:54] <JoeLlama> I am into saving old PCs (notebooks) from chinese recycling plants...  I literally buy and save them just before they ship to china
[15:54] <TJ-> JoeLlama: this is a support channel; there is #ubuntu-offtopic for unrelated chat
[15:55] <JoeLlama> *sigh* I know but we are the only two talking atm so I try to take the opportunity...  but o k
[15:55] <JoeLlama> no one talks on those "other" channels
[15:56] <bobeo> o/
[15:56] <bobeo> I keep getting an error on one of my servers, apt key verification failed.
[15:56] <bobeo> what does this actually mean?
[15:58] <JoeLlama> so then a support question...  is anyone here into IoT under linux?
[15:59] <anddam> why does   dd if=/dev/urandom of=foo bs=1G count=1   only result in    33554431 bytes (34 MB, 32 MiB) copied, 0.182629 s, 184 MB/s    ?
[15:59] <anddam>   /dev/random stops at 88 kB
[16:00] <ducasse> JoeLlama: questions that start with "is anyone.." tends to not get answered
[16:00] <hggdh> JoeLlama: no, this is not a support question.
[16:00] <JoeLlama> oh :(
[16:03] <hggdh> bobeo: that one of the keys apt needs to verify a package is missing
[16:06] <mmarconm> how i use username from gdm login ?
[16:06] <mmarconm> hide username from gdm login
[16:07] <nacc> lolbanana: am now
[16:08] <ducasse> mmarconm: take a look here - https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/43367/how-to-hide-certain-users-from-gdm-logon-list/
[16:09] <mmarconm> ducasse: thanks
[16:09] <bobeo> hggdh: how do you know what key you need, or how do you identify which key its looking for that it cant find?
[16:10] <hggdh> bobeo: it is probable apt would state which package failed key verification. Then you need to find out where the package came from (which repository)
[16:11] <bobeo> hggdh: I know which repo, I have been able to identify that. but I dont know how to identify the key itself, can you tell me how? where would I look?
[16:12] <hggdh> bobeo: you can try a sudo apt-key list to see which keys in have in
[16:14] <Ghostbowl> hey I have a question about running shell scripts
[16:14] <Ghostbowl> can somebody help me out?
[16:14] <JimBunbtu> !ask
[16:15] <Ghostbowl> I want to know how to open tmux in a shell script and then issue commands within the tmux window
[16:17] <Ghostbowl> I found this tutorial https://superuser.com/questions/492266/run-or-send-a-command-to-a-tmux-pane-in-a-running-tmux-session/492549#492549
[16:17] <Ghostbowl> or I mean advice
[16:17] <Ghostbowl> but I don't really understand it
[16:17] <JimBunbtu> what you want to use is the `tmux new-session -d -s <name> <command>` command...
[16:18] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, then you can talk to that session later via something like `tmux send-keys -t <name> <keys>`
[16:18] <Ghostbowl> what do you mean jim?
[16:19] <Ghostbowl> what does the t flag do?
[16:20] <JimBunbtu> I may not be remembering, but I think that tells tmux what session name to send the command to
[16:20] <TJ-> anddam: urandom/random exhausted entropy, so need more.
[16:20] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, confirmed, that says what session is to be commanded.
[16:21] <Ghostbowl> ok I want it to press ctrl-b and then d, would that be tmux new-session -ds -s <ctrl> <b> <d>
[16:21] <Ghostbowl> how do I turn off the purple text
[16:21] <Ghostbowl> with the people joining, it's really distracting
[16:22] <ducasse> !quietirc
[16:22] <ducasse> btw, we don't know what your client shows in purple
[16:23] <Ghostbowl> quassel
[16:23] <Ghostbowl> it says right click on the buffer
[16:23] <Ghostbowl> what's a buffer
[16:23] <Ghostbowl> lol
[16:23] <Ghostbowl> nevermind, I figured it out
[16:24] <TJ-> Ghostbowl: you could use "tmux  detach-client -t <client>" (or "tmux detach-client -s <session>") rather than send the Ctrl+B d sequence
[16:24] <Ghostbowl> oh
[16:24] <calico_> How can I increase the size of the swap file on 17.10? Once my 1.4GB swap gets full, my laptop becomes unresponsive
[16:24] <Ghostbowl> what does the <client> mean?
[16:25] <TJ-> Ghostbowl: the identifier for the client, shown by list-clients
[16:25] <kostkon> calico_, how much ram have you got
[16:25] <Ghostbowl> but ctrl+b, d is for tmux itself
[16:26] <calico_> kostkon, 4 gigs
[16:26] <Ghostbowl> does it still apply then?
[16:28] <Ghostbowl> this is the shell script I made
[16:28] <Ghostbowl> https://pastebin.com/J70Aaug7
[16:28] <Ghostbowl> it's to install a cpu miner
[16:28] <Ghostbowl> I'm playing around with an old pc and I thought it would be fun
[16:30] <JimBunbtu> I think it's more norm now to shebang with #!/usr/bin/env bash          although, I may being critical to suggest this.
[16:31] <nacc> JimBunbtu: shouldn't be necessary in Ubuntu (although not wrong)
[16:33] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, I suggest you change the last 4 lines to this simpler version... tmux new-session -d -s cpuMiner "cd cupminer-multi && ./cpuminer --algo=scrypt:2048 -o (pool) -u (addres)"
[16:34] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, That way you start a detached session that is running your desired program... no need to open an attached session only to detach after starting your command.
[16:39] <llusato> hello
[16:39] <llusato> bye
[16:41] <Ghostbowl> oh ok
[16:41] <Ghostbowl> that makes sense
[16:46] <Ghostbowl> now it looks like this https://pastebin.com/deU11p17
[16:48] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, I think you need to put the double-quotes (") back in at the end
[16:48] <at[m]> ok, so if I'm on a fresh 14.04 install and want to upgrade to the latest and greatest distro, what's The Right Way to do it?
[16:49] <Ghostbowl> oh ok I did
[16:51] <JimBunbtu> !eolupgrade | at[m]
[16:51] <Ghostbowl> would this work for a cloud server?
[16:51] <Ghostbowl> like a customization script/user data
[16:51] <ducasse> at[m]: do you want 16.04 lts or 17.10?
[16:51] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, sure. I think it needs error catching though... i.e., you assume the build command works and such without checking exit codes on anything
[16:52] <Ghostbowl> what's error catching?
[16:53] <JimBunbtu> Error catching, loosely put, is where your script doesn't assume one command has worked before moving on to the next command.
[16:54] <Ghostbowl> is that like sh -e ?\
[16:54] <at[m]> thanks, JimBunbtu
[16:55] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, in-complete example... `if [ $? != 0 ]; then`
[16:55] <at[m]> I swear my nickname is pg-13... it's actually ".at" on riot.im but I guess linked to freenode it turns into at[m]
[16:55] <at[m]> ducasse: I want 17.10
[16:58] <calico_> Last night I wanted to try out the default Ubuntu gnome on my Kubuntu installation. I ended up not liking it. My laptop still boots at around 900mb, while after I installed Kubuntu it was more like 600mb. What else, besides the following commands which I have already ran, can I do in order to remove Gnome COMPLETELY?   So far I have done this --- "sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop",     "sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome",       "sudo apt-get
[16:58] <calico_> install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-restricted-extras",         "sudo apt-cache search ubuntu-desktop|grep Depends:|sed s/Depends:\ // |sed s/,//|xargs sudo apt-get remove --purge",         "sudo apt-get autoremove",          sudo apt-get remove gnome-*
[16:58] <Ghostbowl> how do I apply that?
[16:58] <Squarism> is there any initiative to transfer browser desktop notifications to OS notification system?
[16:58] <ducasse> at[m]: you can easily upgrade to 16.04, then probably do a manual upgrade to 17.10
[16:59] <Ghostbowl> the build command doesn't really ask anything
[16:59] <Ghostbowl> like I haven't seen it fail
[17:00] <Ghostbowl> do you have any experience with any cloud services?
[17:01] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, I was referring to the build command only as an example, in general it's good to check exit codes in general, but again, I am probably being a bit critical. If you don't want to go through the hassle of adding the exit code checking, the other advice I would offer is to consolidate your multiple apt-get installs to a single command at the start, basically add 'git' and 'tmux' to your bigger installation command
[17:02] <JimBunbtu> I have experience with a few, including Digital Ocean and AWS to name the bigger ones
[17:02] <lolbanana> nacc: my lxd container gets no ip address with that command use you suggested. Any advice?
[17:02] <Ghostbowl> that sounds good, but how would that look?
[17:03] <JimBunbtu> sudo apt-get -y install automake autoconf pkg-config libcurl4-openssl-dev libjansson-dev libssl-dev libgmp-dev make g++ git tmux
[17:03] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, then remove the other lines where you installed git and tmux individually
[17:04] <calico_> Also, How can I increase the size of the swap file on 17.10? Once my 1.4GB swap gets full, my laptop becomes unresponsive
[17:06] <visip> calico_: http://opensource.exposed
[17:06] <visip> err
[17:06] <visip> calico_: https://askubuntu.com/questions/178712/how-to-increase-swap-space
[17:08] <calico_> visip, thank you, proceeding :)  Was not able to find it on my own, Googling..
[17:09] <visip> np. yea the ubuntu forums are a wonderful source. theres almost always an answer and if not... something that will lead you to one.
[17:12] <calico_> visip, root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/fasthdd/swapfile.img bs=6144 count=1M
[17:12] <calico_> dd: failed to open '/media/fasthdd/swapfile.img': No such file or directory
[17:12] <nacc> lolbanana: sorry i've totally lost context
[17:12] <nacc> lolbanana: you may get better help in #lxcontainers
[17:12] <lolbanana> nacc: I am still trying to get the containers to show up on my local NAT network
[17:12] <visip> calico_: touch /media/fasthdd/swapfile.img
[17:13] <visip> calico_: then run
[17:14] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, quick example - https://pastebin.com/6u5dAWj0
[17:14] <tomreyn> the directory is probably not there, dd would create the file if writable
[17:14] <nacc> lolbanana: ah ok, yeah swtich channel (I'm also there)
[17:15] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, last line "tasksToRun" should be "tasksToBeRun"
[17:15] <calico_> visip, that path from the top voted guide seems wrong to me, but I have no idea how to correct it
[17:15] <calico_> touch: cannot touch '/media/fasthdd/swapfile.img': No such file or directory
[17:17] <visip> Are you running LVM?
[17:17] <tomreyn> calico_: just create it at /swapfile.img or /home/swapfile.img instead
[17:17] <visip> calico_: can you fun gparted and see what your swap partition?
[17:17] <visip> ^
[17:17] <calico_> visip, I can't see a swap partition using KDE's partition editor
[17:18] <visip> calico_: touch /media/swapfile.img
[17:19] <visip> the /media/fasthdd folder doesnt exist
[17:19] <visip> You could, i guess.. just create the folders and then create the file in the correct older
[17:19] <visip> calico_: mkdir /media/fasthdd
[17:19] <calico_> I already have a swap file in the root directory, should I still run the suggested command at  /home/swapfile.img
[17:19] <visip> calico_: touch /media/fasthdd/swapfile.img
[17:19] <Ghostbowl> @JimBunbtu thanks for the example
[17:20] <visip> create a new one next to it. make it larger and follow the same instructions
[17:20] <calico_> Okay, let me try :)
[17:20] <visip> youll basically be removing the old one once you can affirm that the new one is in use
[17:20] <visip> All it is a disc location that the is set aside so the kernal can dump stale memory to disc for later semi-immediate use (super generalexplanation)
[17:21] <JimBunbtu> Ghostbowl, you are welcome.
[17:23] <calico_> root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~# mkswap /home/swapfile2.img
[17:23] <calico_> mkswap: /home/swapfile2.img: insecure permissions 0644, 0600 suggested.
[17:23] <calico_> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 6 GiB<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes)
[17:23] <calico_> no label, UUID=b0e30b0e-3cb0-4b8b-845d-27c6caf8a5bb
[17:23] <calico_>
[17:23] <calico_> is this an error message?
[17:24] <visip> no, its a suggestion to run chmod 0600 /home/swapfile2.img
[17:26] <MonkeyDust> calico_  to see what 'label' means, run   lsblk -f
[17:26] <calico_> visip, I am back. Right, so I ran chmod 600 /home/swapfile2.img and I will follow through the guide then
[17:27] <visip> great
[17:30] <calico_> So now fstab looks like this: /swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0
[17:30] <calico_> wait..
[17:31] <calico_> line 1 - /swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0
[17:31] <calico_> line 2 - /home/swapfile2.img swap swap sw 0 0
[17:32] <calico_> I don;t know what I should do here https://i.imgur.com/zGdWROO.png
[17:34] <visip> calico_: swapon --show
[17:34] <visip> whats that say
[17:34] <calico_> What format should I choose here though... or can I just press enter
[17:34] <visip> just hit henter
[17:35] <calico_> NAME      TYPE SIZE USED PRIO
[17:36] <calico_>   /swapfile file 1,4G 2,8M   -1
[17:36] <calico_> but I haven't activated it yet
[17:37] <calico_> should I just go for "swapon /home/swapfile2.img" now
[17:37] <visip> ok
[17:37] <visip> lets make this more simple
[17:37] <visip> calico_: remove the /etc/fstab entry for your new sawpfile
[17:37] <visip> You could but I dont want you too. id rather you keep the current swapfile location now that I think of it
[17:38] <visip> calico_: remove the /etc/fstab entry for your swapfile location
[17:38] <calico_> Alright, will remove it now\
[17:38] <calico_> done
[17:39] <visip> calico_: swapoff -a
[17:39] <calico_> root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~# swapoff -a
[17:39] <calico_> root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~# swapon --show
[17:39] <calico_> root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~#
[17:39] <visip> calico_: how much ram do you have on that machine?
[17:39] <visip> calico_: and do you have that much disk space available?
[17:40] <calico_> 4gb, I am thinking 6gb swap
[17:40] <visip> calico_: fallocate -l 6G /swapfile
[17:40] <calico_> Or even more if that would be useful
[17:40] <visip> 1:1 is generally all you need
[17:40] <visip> but a little over is fine
[17:40] <visip> lets stick with 6G
[17:41] <calico_> right, so I ran fallocate -l 6G /swapfile
[17:41] <visip> no errors?
[17:41] <visip> calico_: mkswap /swapfile
[17:41] <visip> calico_: swapon /swapfile
[17:42] <calico_> nope, root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~# mkswap /swapfile
[17:42] <calico_> mkswap: /swapfile: warning: wiping old swap signature.
[17:42] <calico_> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 6 GiB<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes)
[17:42] <visip> calico_: swapon --show
[17:42] <visip> link me a pic or pastbin of that
[17:43] <calico_> no output on swapon --show
[17:43] <calico_> I havent ran swapon /swapfile yet
[17:43] <visip> oh
[17:43] <visip> yea do that
[17:44] <calico_> root@calico-ThinkPad-T430:~# swapon --show
[17:44] <calico_> NAME      TYPE SIZE USED PRIO
[17:44] <calico_>  /swapfile file   6G   0B   -1
[17:44] <visip> sick nasty
[17:44] <visip> cat /etc/fstab
[17:44] <visip> is the /swapfile entry still in there?
[17:46] <calico_> visip, https://i.imgur.com/6hXgglD.png
[17:47] <visip> great you should be good to go
[17:47] <visip> Now, if you want to tune your swapspace: Is this a server or desktop?
[17:47] <calico_> laptop:)
[17:47] <dumblonde> how are you?
[17:48] <visip> calico_: cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[17:48] <calico_> visip, 60
[17:48] <visip> calico_: /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure
[17:49] <dumblonde> how are you guys
[17:49] <visip> calico_: cat /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure
[17:49] <dumblonde> is anyone here
[17:49] <calico_> visip, 100
[17:49] <dumblonde> how do i ssh into server
[17:49] <visip> calico_: those are alright settings
[17:50] <visip> you should be good to go dude
[17:50] <Mathisen> dumblonde, ssh foo.bar.ip.to.server
[17:50] <MonkeyDust> dumblonde  start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[17:51] <calico_> visip, nice nice, your approach was a fair bit simpler. I have a widget on my desktop for my memory usage, can I just log on and off so it refreshes, or a reboot...
[17:51] <visip> whichever. a reboot might be nice to prove to you that it all worked
[17:51] <calico_> brb
[17:52] <visip> kk
[17:57] <calico_> Well, I rebooted successfully, so I guess it's all good! Only my desktop widget seems to be confused and it still says 0b.
[17:57] <visip> that might be an issue
[17:58] <visip> calico_: free -h
[17:58] <visip> calico_: swapon --show
[17:59] <visip> calico_: cat /proc/swaps
[17:59] <visip> calico_: grep 'Swap' /proc/meminfo
[17:59] <visip> Look for signs of life in those commands
[18:01] <calico_> https://i.imgur.com/CudcBfa.png
[18:01] <calico_> I opened a few youtube tabs on different browsers, no change
[18:02] <visip> Hmm
[18:02] <visip> Open libreoffice
[18:03] <visip> Open chrome or whatever
[18:03] <visip> open a bunch of stuff
[18:03] <visip> lol
[18:03] <visip> It seems like it is configured correctly but just is not being used yet
[18:04] <calico_> SwapCached:        30472 kB
[18:04] <calico_> SwapTotal:       6291452 kB
[18:04] <calico_> SwapFree:        5482236 kB
[18:04] <calico_> B)
[18:04] <visip> Great.
[18:05] <visip> There you go friend
[18:05] <visip> And now you wont have random files as swap either
[18:05] <visip> But for future notice... you can also have random files for swap
[18:05] <visip> :)
[18:06] <calico_> Thanks a lot man, I really hope my system will not freeze anymore, whew.
[18:07] <visip> No problem. Good luck.
[18:07] <calico_> It still reports ~1GB of ram usage on boot, which I find strange. And I cannot see what uses so much ram in the task manager
[18:08] <visip> Theres a lot of things loaded into memory when systemd starts
[18:08] <visip> Dont be alarmed
[18:08] <visip> Youll also get a better idea if you use
[18:08] <visip> top
[18:08] <visip> to sort through running proccess
[18:11] <calico_> My idea got a little bit worse after running top, to be honest lol
[18:12] <calico_> How can I show you all my processes, system monitor reports ~200 of them, just so you maybe have a quick look and tell me if it seems alright
[18:13] <calico_> as I had Gnome on my Kubuntu, I removed as much as I can but not sure if there are still gnome processes loading when I boot up...
[18:13] <akik> calico_: "ps auxwwf" shows all the processes in a kind of tree view
[18:16] <calico_> https://pastebin.com/9nxs89Wa I think it might be alright, but still worth some feedback from someone that knows what's up
[18:16] <hoodedfigure1> Hi folks, I wondered why nginx (managed by systemd) is run as root?
[18:16] <hoodedfigure1> (try `ps u $(cat /run/nginx.pid)` to verify)
[18:17] <sahil> ey
[18:18] <sahil> anyone there
[18:18] <JimBunbtu> I am here but not there
[18:18] <sahil> may know to to install gnome in ubuntu
[18:18] <akik> calico_: i'm running plasma 5 and firefox and they alone take 900 megs
[18:21] <sahil> hey guyzz
[18:21] <sahil> bhosdi k
[18:21] <sahil> salo kamino
[18:21] <sahil> tumhari ma ki chuuu.....
[18:22] <akik> !in
[18:22] <sahil> asdfghjkl
[18:22] <akik> maybe. or speak english, sahil
[18:22] <sahil> i m asking a qustion which i want to resolve
[18:22] <akik> sahil: which ubuntu version?
[18:22] <sahil> 16.4 lts
[18:23] <sahil> want to install gnome
[18:23] <sahil> can u guz let me know how
[18:23] <akik> sahil: try "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop"
[18:23] <sahil> is this the command
[18:24] <akik> sahil: yes :)
[18:24] <sahil> k thanks
[18:25] <sahil> how  can i contact u if i have any trouble in ubuntu
[18:25] <tomreyn> sahil: you come here and state your issue. there are also web forums if you prefer.
[18:25] <sahil> and one more thin it is possible to install chrome in ubuntu
[18:25] <lordcirth_work> sahil, there's no need to contact specific people.  Just come here and ask
[18:25] <sahil> if yes the command?
[18:26] <ducasse> sahil: you need to download chrome from the chrome website
[18:26] <tomreyn> you can install chromium: sudo apt install chromium-browser
[18:26] <ducasse> or that
[18:29] <BrokenCog> hellos.  I have an old server which I have neglected to upgrade - it's currently on Yakety.  running the "do-release-upgrade" results in "unable to using this tool" error.  Is there any alternative to upgrade?
[18:32] <oerheks> !eolupgrade | BrokenCog
[18:37] <BrokenCog> ubottu: thanks.  the second link has instructions, the update and dist-upgrade worked although didn't actually update anything.  the dorelease-upgrade gave the same complaint.
[18:37] <BrokenCog> I should have read your nick.
[18:43] <Sterist> hellos, I'm working on a hard drive swap and I want to increase the windows partition preceding Ubuntu... would Ubuntu start throwing errors at me or outright fail if it's entire partition is pushed forward?
[18:44] <Sterist> it would not be achieved through resizing, but rather a mirror into a later physical starting sector
[18:47] <lordcirth_work> Sterist, so long as the filesystem's UUID remains the same, it should be ok.  But have backups on general principles
[18:49] <BrokenCog> can bot be updated to include additional URS?  this has solution to my previous question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/996768/upgrade-from-yakkety-yak-ubuntu-16-10-when-its-end-of-life/996936
[18:50] <BrokenCog> although it's still grinding away, so don't know positively if it will succeed in the end: but at least it's trying.
[18:52] <Borw3> I have a question, which is the most supported version of Ubuntu?
[18:52] <Borw3> On Desktop
[18:53] <oerheks> BrokenCog, seems like you have to backup and do a fresh install
[18:53] <BrokenCog> maybe.  the upgrade to 17.04 is underway.  we'll see.
[18:54] <oerheks> Borw3, there are no stats of that
[18:54] <genii> Borw3: Currently, Xenial Xerus ( 16.04.3 )
[18:55] <Borw3> I mean like as in which DE version of Ubuntu is most supported
[18:55] <genii> Borw3: Every 2 years a Long Term Support version is released in April, with support lengths designed to overlap
[18:56] <BrokenCog> Borw3: how about stating why you want to know?  your needs will drive the answers.
[18:57] <genii> Borw3: What actual desktop you use is not so important as the release version, because underneath they all use the same
[18:57] <senaps> i have installed docky, i can run an application and right click, pin it to docky, but how would i add files manager icon to it?
[18:58] <genii> Borw3: So if you use KDE, you use #kubuntu for support, if LXDE then #lubuntu, XFCE then #xubuntu, for most others in here when there's no specific support channel
[18:59] <BrokenCog> oerheks: upgrade to Zesty went.  rebooted and now upgrading it artful.  had an error with spamassasin conf update, but that should be easy enough to sort out.
[19:08] <Sterist> what kinds of things change a UUID?
[19:10] <BrokenCog> gparted, gfdisk.
[19:15] <calico_> I am trying to increase my Ubuntu partition, but I am running into the following issue - https://i.imgur.com/B0hpSsN.png - I can't as it's mounted (I guess?)
[19:15] <calico_> What can I do?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> Sterist, a new OS on another drive or partition will usually change your swap UUID
[19:16] <akik> calico_: you can mangle the partitions in a live session
[19:17] <calico_> akik, how do I create a task and it executing it on a reboot?
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> calico_  create a cron task, use   @reboot
[19:19] <visip> calico_: Do you just want to make sure something starts up on boot every time?
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[19:20] <visip> MonkeyDust: cron is best used for tasks to be repeatedly executed on a chronological schedule.
[19:21] <visip> calico_: what are you wanting to run?
[19:21] <visip> calico_: or have run at boot?
[19:22] <calico_> visip, I just want to resize my Ubuntu partition as it got maxed now after the additional 6GB of swap
[19:22] <calico_> https://i.imgur.com/B0hpSsN.png
[19:23] <visip> Since its your systems... root device it might be best to boot ubuntu from a liveCD, then adjust the partitions using kparted
[19:24] <visip> That way you shouldnt have to deal with syslocks
[19:24] <visip> calico_: but we can do it live if youd like
[19:25] <visip> Not to mention the orderinf of your partitions is dirty
[19:25] <calico_> visip, would I be fine if I resize in Windows? I am just cautions so I don't mess up my laptop, that's why I was trying to do it under Linux
[19:26] <visip> yea you can do either or
[19:26] <senaps> i have logged in with ubuntu xorg. but i can't run kazam. isn't there any way in ubuntu 17.10?
[19:27] <visip> Since your windows partitions sits next to the linux partition... it might be best to minimize the windows partition and give that free space directly to your linux partition
[19:27] <akik> calico_: resizing an ext4 partition can not be done in windows without specialized software
[19:27] <calico_> visip, Nice. Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting to the unallocated space at the end, but supposedly this SSD doesn't support having more than 4 partitions  !?!?
[19:27] <visip> akik: but he can boot windows, resize the windows partition, boot back into linux... and adjust
[19:28] <calico_> visip, it doesn't allow me to touch the ext4 partition at all though?
[19:28] <visip> calico_: well stop start it
[19:28] <visip> calico_: but akik is right
[19:28] <calico_> akik, specialized software as in?
[19:28] <visip> hense why id do this from a livecd
[19:29] <akik> calico_: i meant windows does not support resizing ext4 partitions, but there probably exists 3rd party windows software to do it
[19:30] <tomreyn> calico_: i guess your easiest option is to use the unallocated 8 GB as a swap partition and remove the swap file you have now. all of this can be done now.
[19:30] <calico_> visip, BTW after increasing the size of the swap file the laptop became ... insane. Opened 20+ youtube tabs in FF and 10 more 720p yt tabs in Chromium - still ran alright!!!
[19:31] <visip> dang right it did :)
[19:31] <visip> now you can multitask while your liesure
[19:31] <visip> :D
[19:32] <calico_> So, windows does not support resizing ext4 partitions
[19:32] <visip> nope
[19:32] <visip> I really really suggest doing this from a livecd of ubuntu
[19:32] <visip> Itll just... be easier
[19:32] <visip> or you could attempt this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/492054/how-to-extend-my-root-partition
[19:34] <akik> gparted iso works too
[19:34] <akik> but i guess you can install gparted while in the ubuntu live session
[19:35] <visip> gparted comes on the ubuntu cd
[19:35] <visip> calico_: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-resize-partitions-with-the-ubuntu-or-gparted-live-cd
[19:37] <calico_> No CD's or flashdrives, unfortunately. Just me, my phone and my laptop in the middle of nowhere :O
[19:37]  * visip throws desk over
[19:38] <calico_> I have this Windows XP feeling going on, deleting files here and there, freeing up space...
[19:40] <oerheks> calico_, then come back when you can  boot from a live iso
[19:40] <akik> i wonder if he could boot the live session from his current grub :)
[19:40] <senaps> i cant add icons to docky in ubuntu 17.10. anybody able to help? i can't drag icons to it as previous versions, some applications i run, don't add icons to docky so i can't right click and pin them to it.
[19:40] <akik> it support iso boot right?
[19:41] <oerheks> akik, yes, there is an isoboot wiki
[19:41] <visip> calico_: the other way is to boot into windows, download some freeware partition manager that supports ext partitions
[19:42] <Borw3> calico_: You can use phone as USB to boot iso, check out DriveDroid for android, but needs root for some features.
[19:42] <visip> Borw3: that is some extra gangster stuff.
[19:42] <calico_> Borw3, I tried it when I was installing Ubuntu, didn't work out. Squashfs errors all over
[19:42] <Borw3> LOL
[19:45] <calico_> So as long as what I would be using in Windows to resize the partition, there isn't a good chance that I would not be able to go back to my Linux, am I getting this right?
[19:45] <calico_> Uh oh, so as long as the software that I would be using SUPPORTS RESIZING EXT4
[19:46] <Borw3> I think there is gparted for windows, not sure.
[19:46] <visip> calico_: Download Minitools PArtition manager from cnet
[19:46] <visip> calico_: do this from windows
[19:46] <visip> calico_: and dont over think it
[19:47] <calico_> Alight, let me boot into Annoying OS.
[19:56] <callicowindows> MiniTool Partition Wizard Free Edition doesn't work, same as EaseUS Partition Master... Still looking
[20:10] <calico-windows> I am getting a scary message when trying to extend the ext4 partition https://i.imgur.com/gzoD75Q.png
[20:11] <calico-windows> akik: ya think it's just a bluff? :)
[20:12] <visip> calico-windows: no because the boot file offset location is based off the beginning of the disk 000000000 etc
[20:13] <visip> partition*
[20:13] <calico-windows> so should I continue or abort mission
[20:14] <akik> calico-windows: i'd wait until you get a flash drive
[20:18] <calico-windows> Damn. I feel like I am back in time using Windows, but I'll manage...
[20:19] <BillD73> lol  I gave away all my windows crap the first time I installed linux and got used to it
[20:20] <calico-windows> BillD73: yeah, but I need to be able to run certain windows programs and Wine is totally unreliable. 4% better than in it was in 2006...
[20:22] <BillD73> calico-windows: curous as to what programs?
[20:23] <kenrin> You can always do whatever everyone else does and install windows on a VM
[20:23] <akik> kenrin: not everyone does that, of course
[20:23] <kenrin> Ok,  the majority of people
[20:26] <ioria> with beefy hw  guess it's the best option
[20:27] <visip> Windows VM++
[20:27] <visip> Wine--
[20:33] <taohansen> does Ubuntu still support tracking "devel" repos?
[20:34] <ioria> define 'tracking "devel" repos'
[20:35] <taohansen> ioria: replacing release definitions in /etc/apt/sources.list with devel
[20:36] <taohansen> as in swapping all references to xenial for devel
[20:36] <ioria> taohansen, we mean 'proposed' ?
[20:37] <taohansen> no. let me show you an example file
[20:38] <ioria> yeah
[20:38] <taohansen> ioria: https://gist.github.com/8dfc6fef0ba9fe01b0591d6d81eb7ab2
[20:38] <enzot> I did bootusb with ubuntu. When I boot pc with this pendrive it show me dark screen with "grub >"
[20:39] <taohansen> as you can see, my repos point to "devel" in all instances instead of tracking a specific 6-month or LTS release
[20:39] <enzot> How can I fix it?
[20:40] <oerheks> taohansen, that lines should include version ??
[20:40] <ioria> taohansen, and it works ?
[20:41] <taohansen> ioria: it works but it complains. is there an IRC channel specifically for Ubuntu developers?
[20:41] <oerheks> usually there is no 'devel' repos, are you on Bionic?
[20:41] <ioria> taohansen, can you paste   sudo apt-get update
[20:42] <oerheks> maybe it is a bug in bionic.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1728616
[20:42] <taohansen> oerheks: i'm afraid you do not understand this issue. please google "ubuntu /etc/apt/sources.list devel" for some background on what i am attempting
[20:42] <ioria> taohansen, #ubuntu-devel
[20:42] <oerheks> taohansen, it is easy to answer: are you on bionic?
[20:43] <taohansen> ioria: relevant reddit post with requested output: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/7utyj9/does_ubuntu_still_support_tracking_devel_repos/
[20:43] <taohansen> oerheks: again, you do not understand the issue. please google
[20:43] <taohansen> ioria: thank you. :-)
[20:44] <ioria> ok
[20:44] <oerheks> taohansen, i do, but if you refuse to answer this simple question, good luck
[20:49] <ioria> i got it http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/
[20:50] <Jardayn> Hey folks. How do I unmount a disk that's apparently is being used?
[20:52] <taohansen> ioria: okay, so this is interesting. it points to current repos but apt insists on printing this error message which is maybe best interpreted as a warning?
[20:52] <taohansen> looks like i have nothing to worry about for the time being
[20:52] <ioria> taohansen, if you paste the outpust (of apt-get update) maybe someone might help
[20:52] <ioria> *output
[20:54] <taohansen> oerheks: in the interest of helping people out, Ubuntu historically has a mechanism for "jumping" between pre-release versions (AKA the development process of turning Debian Unstable into a new Ubuntu 6-month release) by replacing the release codename you're familiar with with "testing"
[20:55] <rcs_> Is this an appropriate place to ask questions about the terminal bundled with ubuntu?
[20:55] <taohansen> oerheks: had you googled as i requested you to you would have found this out yourself but i actually do want to help as much as i want to also receive help
[20:56] <nacc> taohansen: i don't believe 'testing' does anything. 'devel' does
[20:56] <nacc> taohansen: but i don't know anyone who would activelly want to use devell all the time on a machine they care about ;0
[20:56] <oerheks> so it is Bionic ..
[20:56] <nacc> taohansen: but devel would also imply you are always on #ubuntu+1 and never on a released version
[20:56] <taohansen> whoops, slip of the tongue! meant "devel". thank you. :-)
[20:56] <nacc> yes
[20:57] <nacc> rcs_: sure
[20:57] <Bashing-om> rcs_: Sire, ask .. see what the response may be .
[20:57] <Bashing-om> sure*
[20:57] <nacc> Bashing-om: i like the formality :)
[20:58] <rcs_> Thanks. I am having issues rebinding C-0 in any processes started in gnome-terminal, I have disabled the keyboard shortcuts (especially normal-size) but "C-0" always just sends "0"
[20:58] <taohansen> oerheks: it is currently bionic but when the next release comes around if  still-supported, it will jump to whatever that codename is
[20:58] <Bashing-om> nacc: Yeah - agreed, sometimes we do need to show a bit of civility :)
[20:58] <nacc> taohansen: right, so not supported here (which is for released Ubuntu)
[20:58] <nacc> taohansen: you want #ubuntu+1 always
[20:58] <nacc> except for taht week when there is not a enw archive, maybe
[20:59] <rcs_> I also do not see an existing binding for "C-0" in bind -p
[20:59] <taohansen> nacc: sorry i did not know where to ask my question. is it okay to respond to your query you asked on #ubuntu-devel?
[21:00] <nacc> taohansen: it's not (afaict) related to the development of Ubuntu, so you probablly shouldn't have cross-posted
[21:00] <nacc> I just happened to see it there first
[21:01] <taohansen> alright i'll post the output log on #ubuntu+1 then. thanks for your help
[21:06] <rcs_> alternatively, how can I change the default terminal for ubuntu?
[21:06] <za1b1tsu_> Should $HOME point to /home ? Because it points to /home/my_user/
[21:06] <nacc> za1b1tsu_: it should point to your user's home
[21:06] <nacc> za1b1tsu_: which it does
[21:06] <SomeT> how do I tell in terminal if my firewall is letting in all ip addresses or not?
[21:06] <SomeT> thanks
[21:06] <SomeT> from SomeT
[21:07] <za1b1tsu_> nacc, thank you
[21:08] <nacc> za1b1tsu_: yw
[21:09] <SomeT> ?
[21:15] <akik> SomeT: "it depends". if you configured it with ufw: sudo ufw status
[21:15] <akik> SomeT: if by some other means: "sudo iptables -L -n -v" and inspect the rules
[21:16] <akik> SomeT: if by "my firewall" you meant some other box, you can run nmap to scan your ip address
[21:25] <abeld> Hi! I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04, where the locale settings is messed up: at installation, I couldn't properly select my location (Budapest), so I apparently selected Serbia instead. Immediately after installation, I changed the locale in /etc/default/locale, and re-generated the locales to generate hu_HU and remove the sr_SR locale
[21:26] <abeld> However, now gnome-terminal won't start, apparently due to locale issues.
[21:26] <abeld> Where does it get the locale it wants to start with?
[21:26] <abeld> Also, the clock from the upper-right corner disappeared
[21:26] <jatt> what does gnome-terminal exactly say?
[21:27] <abeld> when trying to start it from the icon, it just does nothing, but if I try running "gnome-terminal" from an xterm, I get a "Gtk-Warning: Locale not supported by C library" error
[21:28] <abeld> I have removed the sr_SR locale, so I guess it is trying to use that
[21:29] <abeld> But where is it getting what locale to use?
[21:30] <akik> abeld: did you change it on each line in /etc/default/locale ?
[21:30] <abeld> yes
[21:31] <abeld> although when I run "locale" I get a "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" error message.
[21:31] <abeld> LC_ALL is not mentioned in /etc/default/locale
[21:32] <abeld> Also, does it matter if I have hu_HU or hu_HU.UTF-8 ?
[21:32] <akik> abeld: you can get the list of locales with "locale -a"
[21:33] <akik> abeld: the difference on those two locales is that one is not utf-8 and the other one is
[21:33] <abeld> "locale -a" output includes hu_HU.utf8, but not hu_HU on its own
[21:34] <akik> abeld: i have to do the change from fi_FI to en_US after the install
[21:34] <akik> abeld: the install routine just assumes that if i select finland, i'm using finnish as the ui language
[21:35] <abeld> I already finished the installation, I am trying to switch from sr_SR (serbian) to hu_HU (hungarian)
[21:35] <abeld> since the map you select from during the installation is ridiculously tiny
[21:36] <abeld> Also, the city name field below the map is editable, so when I couldn't select Budapest on the map, I simply deleted the city name and wrote in Budapest in that field. I assume that didn't have any effect, and I ended up installing with a serbian locale
[21:36] <ducasse> abeld: do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[21:38] <abeld> ducasse, ok, I did that now. Afterwards "locale" still prints out "cannot set LC_ALL" error message
[21:39] <abeld> and gnome-terminal still doesn't start
[21:39] <abeld> any other ideas?
[21:41] <sasho199> Hello everyone! I just tried to install Ubuntu 17.10 and the screen froze, I restarted and added acpi=off according to an online answer and it worked. Apparently it means that my ACPI cannot support that version of Ubuntu. Is it risky to install and run Ubuntu like that?
[21:43] <akik> abeld: check if you have a user file in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/
[21:43] <abeld> yes, I have
[21:43] <akik> abeld: does it have a locale line?
[21:43] <abeld> no
[21:44] <abeld> should it?
[21:44] <BillD73> sasho199:  more details, what are you installing it on?
[21:44] <akik> abeld: not sure. did you edit LC_ALL value somewhere?
[21:44] <Bashing-om> sasho199: See: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html . Maybe much better .
[21:45] <sasho199> BillD73, My computer is ASUS K550V.
[21:46] <abeld> I might have tried to set it with update-locale
[21:46] <TJ-> sasho199: Try my acpi_osi= workaround that Bashing-om just pointed you to; that's the preferred way
[21:46] <abeld> but I think that only gave me an error message, plus I don't know whether it set anything anywhere
[21:48] <sasho199> Bashing-om, TJ-, I am currently reading it, I will try to do as it says! Thanks!
[21:48] <akik> abeld: can you open any terminal?
[21:48] <abeld> yes, I can open xterm
[21:48] <akik> abeld: try setting the variables LANG, LANGUAGE AND LC_ALL to your values and then try starting a gnome terminal from xterm
[21:50] <abeld> actually, I want both LANG and LANGUAGE set to en_US, only everything else to hu_HU
[21:50] <abeld> running "env" shows that LANG and LANGUAGE are set like that, LC_ALL is not set.
[21:51] <cyberspectre> Hey everyone. I'm on a new ubuntu install and I can't delete anything from nautilus. It says "can't be moved to trash, would you like to delete immediately?" and selecting yes still does nothing
[21:51] <abeld> doing "export LC_ALL=hu_HU" gives me a "setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (hu_HU)" error message
[21:52] <abeld>  "export LC_ALL=hu_HU.UTF-8" works, but gnome-terminal still doesn't start after that
[21:52] <akik> abeld: you said earlier that you don't have hu_HU
[21:53] <abeld> where did I say that?
[21:53] <akik> 23:33 < abeld> "locale -a" output includes hu_HU.utf8, but not hu_HU on its own
[21:53] <abeld> oh, you mean the locales that are generated? yes, I generated only the .UTF-8 one
[21:54] <abeld> ok, I'll try adding .UTF-8 on every line in /etc/default/locale
[21:57] <abeld> ok, that appears to have been the problem. using hu_HU.UTF-8 on every line in /etc/default/locale appears to have fixed it
[21:57] <akik> good
[21:57] <abeld> thanks for the help!
[21:59] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Do you have a separate /home/ partition? Are the files you're trying to delete on the same filesystem as your home directory?
[22:00] <sasho199> Bashing-om, TJ- : I am new to Linux in general. I understand where the problem comes from, but I do not understand the solution, can you explain this guide as for a beginner?
[22:00] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, I just realized what it is, I think. Trash isn't supported on raw disk images. If I shift + delete, that works. So the dialog in Nautilus is just broken. Is there a way to disable the trash feature completely?
[22:02] <TJ-> sasho199: If you use the provided script, or copy/paste the commands into a terminal shell to execute them, they'll reconfigure the Linux kernel command-line so it can 'pretend' to be the latest version of Windows that your PC's ACPI DSDT recognises
[22:03] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: As far as I know, the closest you can get is to add an option to delete immediately.
[22:03] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: How exactly are you using "raw disk images"?
[22:04] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, I think nautilus used to have a feature like that, but no longer, apparently. I prefer not to have to shift+delete
[22:04] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, it's a virtual machine running in KVM via unraid
[22:04] <sasho199> TJ-: That part I understand. What I don't understand is how to use such scripts and what they do. Also I'm not sure what the terminal shell is.
[22:05] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Running in a virtual machine should have no effect on something like this (unless you're using directory sharing between guest and host or similar).
[22:06] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, the ubuntu disk is in its own disk image
[22:07] <TJ-> sasho199: A terminal emulator is a program that simulates a console (a monitor+keyboard combination). The 'shell' is a command line interpreter that takes typed commands and runs programs.
[22:08] <TJ-> sasho199: Your desktop should have a "Terminal" application you can find/execute, where you'll get a shell command line. That is where the commands in the article need copying to
[22:09] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: That should still have zero effect on being able to use the trash.
[22:09] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, I'm as stumped as you are, then
[22:09] <cyberspectre> maybe trash somehow got its permissions changed?
[22:09] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: What have you done between installing Ubuntu and now?
[22:10] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, just install apps
[22:10] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Via apt?
[22:10] <TJ-> Jordan_U: cyberspectre are you running from the LiveISO? If so, that's a read-only squashfs COW mount; maybe that's why?
[22:10] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, yeah, through the software center and via debs as well
[22:10] <sasho199> TJ-: Is the Command Prompt in windows such a terminal?
[22:11] <cyberspectre> TJ-, no, it's a persistent installation
[22:11] <TJ-> sasho199: it is a shell, almost the same thing
[22:11] <TJ-> cyberspectre: oh... when you said 'raw image' I thought you meant the ISO
[22:11] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Ahh, that is very different than "installing".
[22:12] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Why didn't you use the Ubuntu installer to install normally?
[22:12] <cyberspectre> What? I did
[22:13] <cyberspectre> I don't mean it's persistent on the live disk, I mean it's a permanent install on the virtual disk
[22:14] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: OK, don't use the term "persistant" for that. It already means specifically a liveUSB that is part read-only and part writeable.
[22:15] <cyberspectre> Sorry, I forgot that's what it's used to describe
[22:15] <sasho199> TJ-: Can you perhaps direct me towards a tutorial or lesson about these things? It seems that I need to learn a lot about it.
[22:16] <cyberspectre> where is the trash directory? How can I check permissions on it?
[22:16] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Please pastebin the output of "ls -ld ~/.local/share/Trash/ ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ ~/.local/share/Trash/info/ ~/.local/share/Trash/expunged/"
[22:18] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, https://pastebin.com/YN9eGGYx
[22:18] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, it's owned by root?
[22:20] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: Appears so. Easy to fix, but you should figure out what changed its ownership *and* find out what other directories it might have changed ownership for. Have you at any point run "sudo nautilus"?
[22:20] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, yes
[22:20] <cyberspectre> I have
[22:21] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: chown daniel:daniel ~/.local/share/Trash/
[22:22] <shrimp> if i wanted to use ubuntu solely for development/coding purposes, would buying a 128gb usb3 flash drive and running it off of that be a bad idea? does making the installation of linux portable make the OS worse?
[22:22] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: ~/.local/share/Trash/ probably didn't exist yet when you ran "sudo nautilus" and went to trash something, so it created the directories as root.
[22:22] <akik> sasho199: anything that you run from the gui can also be started from a terminal. when you open a terminal, it'll also start a shell in it
[22:23] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, that must be exactly what happened
[22:23] <cyberspectre> so trash doesn't exist until you delete something?
[22:24] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: I know it's convenient, but try to avoid running nautilus as root. Similarly, try not to run any GUI app as root unless you know that it's designed to be run that way. If you must, use gksudo instead of sudo. gksudo wouldn't have prevented this problem, but will prevent another problem that will prevent you from being able to login at all (~/.Xauthority being created as root).
[22:25] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, it's laziness
[22:25] <cyberspectre> I just need to finally learn how to use the basic commands
[22:26] <Jordan_U> cyberspectre: You'll probably need to chown the subdirectories as well, so make that "chown -R daniel:daniel ~/.local/share/Trash/" .
[22:27] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, thank you so much for helping me with that. It's all fixed now
[22:30] <cyberspectre> Now, there's another little pesky thing
[22:30] <cyberspectre> Jordan_U, any idea why a certain application (vivaldi) would launch just fine from the gnome dash, but not from dash-to-dock?
[22:31] <sasho199> akik: I understand. I am still new to this sort of thing, so far I had to deal with problems in Windows I got fed up by how much everything is covered up, since I read a lot of good stuff about how linux distros are transparent when it comes to what your computer is doing. I will try to find the information about this on the internet, as I understand maybe this is not the best place to ask for the absolute basics. Thanks for the inf
[22:36] <sasho199> Can anyone help me with this guide, since TJ- is not answering? http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[22:38] <spanishgum> join #spacewalk
[22:38] <akik> sasho199: you can run the script as "sudo bash ./acpi_osi.sh"
[22:39] <akik> sasho199: oh scratch that, it asks for sudo passwd itself
[22:39] <akik> sasho199: so just "bash ./acpi_osi.sh"
[22:39] <TJ-> sasho199: akik :)  ... I think the issue is more fundamental... using terminal/shell
[22:39] <sasho199> akik: Should I do that through Ubuntu?
[22:39] <akik> sasho199: TJ- is back
[22:40] <TJ-> sasho199: Have you opened the Terminal application?
[22:40] <germain> t
[22:40] <germain> salut
[22:40] <sasho199> TJ-: Do I have to do that through Ubuntu?
[22:41] <germain> qui peut me dire comment installer  un programe  sur ubuntu
[22:42] <TJ-> !terminal | sasho199
[22:43] <hggdh> !fr | germain
[22:45] <sasho199> TJ-: I am currently in Windows, is the first step to boot with my Ubuntu USB and open the terminal in Ubuntu?
[22:48] <TJ-> sasho199: Oh! We didn't realise you're in Windows :D Yes, boot into Ubuntu. When you said it worked when you used "acpi=off" it seemed like you meant it had currently booted that wy
[22:50] <sasho199> TJ-: Okay I'll boot unto Ubuntu. Is it safe to run it with the ACPI turned off?
[22:52] <TJ-> sasho199: If you're planning on adding acpi=off, then instead of that add (including the quote marks): acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012"
[22:52] <TJ-> sasho199: that'll manually use a setting close to what the article/script will do
[22:53] <akik> sasho199: did you install ubuntu already or are you running the live session?
[22:55] <sasho199> TJ-: I intend to add it because Ubuntu does not boot otherwise. Does adding that line(acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012") solve the problem? I am confused to why that script exists if so.
[22:56] <sasho199> akik: I have a Ubuntu 12.10 USB and I intend to boot into Ubuntu with it, I presume that is what is meant by live session?
[22:58] <akik> sasho199: you should get a newer ubuntu version and the process of adding the the extra kernel parameter probably doesn't work unless you have a proper grub installation and not the "iso on usb"
[22:58] <akik> sasho199: is it a usb stick or usb hdd?
[22:59] <uzumaki> Live session is when you run the operating system from the external drive without actually installing the OS on the systems hard disk first.
[23:01] <elpsy_> Hi, so I want to use dnsmasq in docker on ubuntu 17.10 but 53 is already in use. Can anyone describe how dnsmasq is being used on the host in 17.10? How would I go about disabling it?
[23:01] <sasho199> akik: I thought 17.10 is the latest? What exactly does grub installation mean? Clarification: it is a usb stick with ubuntu 17.10 on it.
[23:02] <akik> sasho199: how have you put the ubuntu 17.10 on the usb stick? that's the question
[23:02] <calico_> Has anyone happen to have any experience with Vysor (Android)?
[23:03] <sasho199> akik: I followed this tutorial https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[23:04] <akik> sasho199: do you have a plan to install ubuntu on a hdd/ssd?
[23:05] <TJ-> sasho199: re: adding the entries manually. When you add the option at boot-time it only affects that boot, not *all* boots ever-after. The scripts apply the change permanently so it is automatically done without your manual intervention on every boot
[23:06] <sasho199> akik: Yes, thought of installing it now. Why I did not was because I needed acpi=off to make it run(both the try ubuntu option and the install ubuntu option). So I thought I should ask for help because I did not know if it was safe.
[23:06] <zomaar> Does anyone know if a ZFS snapshot of a ZVOL always requires at least double the space of the used data or not? I tried to ask in #zfsonlinux but they don't have any answers.
[23:07] <mattfly> ive deleted many log files folders and now some programs are crashing on ubuntu 16,04
[23:07] <elpsy_> mattfly: some programs require the log file or folder to exist.
[23:07] <mattfly> how can i reconfigure all and get those folders again with all right permissions
[23:07] <mattfly> ive realized elsy_
[23:08] <mattfly> i thought they would just create them again...
[23:08] <elpsy_> I don't know. I did that once and I manually went though the error logs and created the right folders with permissions.
[23:08] <mattfly> isnt there a way to reinstall the program keeping the configuration files?
[23:09] <mattfly> wouldnt that be easier? with apt
[23:09] <akik> mattfly: you can try: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall package"
[23:09] <sasho199> TJ-: Thanks, I understand now.
[23:10] <mattfly> okay
[23:10] <mattfly> great! seems to work
[23:17] <sasho199_> TJ-: I booted Ubuntu from my usb stick, with the commands you wrote.
[23:22] <calico_> Can someone point me in the right direction of installing this https://github.com/koush/electron-chrome , I have no idea what I am looking at
[23:23] <sasho199_> akik, TJ-: I booted Ubuntu from my USB Stick. I am running it currently, what should I do next?
[23:24] <kenrin> calico_: Did you read the README.md ?  it gives you three simple commands to install it
[23:24] <TJ-> sasho199_: implement the solution as detailed at http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[23:25] <TJ-> sasho199_: open a Terminal, then issue these commands: "wget http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/acpi_osi.sh ; bash ./acpi_osi.sh"
[23:30] <sasho199_> TJ-: It said Linux kernel command-line options required: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015", it's asking me if I want to add this setting
[23:30] <TJ-> sasho199_: go aheead
[23:31] <sasho199_> TJ-: I got this, sed: can't read /boot/grub/grub.cfg: No such file or directory Existing Command Line:  sed: can't read /boot/grub/grub.cfg: No such file or directory Modified Command Line:  /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[23:32] <TJ-> sasho199_: hang on, you're running the LiveISO desktop aren't you? This do anything until you've installed Ubuntu. I thought you'd booted the ISO and installed already :D
[23:33] <TJ-> sasho199_: so to be entirely clear, you need to install Ubuntu before the script can do any good.
[23:34] <sasho199_> TJ-: So did hits script do anything that I have to undo now. Or did it do absolutely nothing? Do scripts work only when Ubuntu is installed?
[23:36] <TJ-> sasho199_: no, it's not changed anything - it can't, the ISO is read-only :)
[23:36] <TJ-> sasho199_: the script is designed to change the boot options for an /installed/ read-write Ubuntu
[23:37] <batphone> got a radeon 6950. it looks like ubuntu is already using a radeon driver. im used to nvidia. do i need to install ATI's official drivers to get the best performance?
[23:38] <sasho199_> TJ-: Ok I will install it now. Should I add acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" in the boot settings?
[23:39] <TJ-> sasho199_: which boot settings are you referring to?
[23:41] <sasho199_> TJ-: Before I can click on Install Ubuntu I have to click e and add acpi=off so it can run, if I add acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" it runs as well.
[23:41] <TJ-> sasho199_: as I understand it you've just booted the installer with those options, so they're in operation during this current session until you reboot. If, once you've installed and **before** you reboot into the installed system, you shout me, I can talk you through applying the changes to the newly-installed but not-yet-running Ubuntu so it works on the first reboot
[23:42] <TJ-> sasho199_: if you're currently running the "Try Ubuntu" option and have the Ubuntu desktop you can start the install by double-clicking the Install icon on the desktop
[23:43] <sasho199_> TJ-: Ok, I thought I had to restart my computer.
[23:43] <TJ-> sasho199_: No, we make it easy :)
[23:44] <sasho199_> TJ-: I get this. This machine's firmware has started the installer in UEFI mode but it looks like there may be existing operating systems already installed using "BIOS compatibility mode". If you continue to install Debian in UEFI mode, it might be difficult to reboot the machine into any BIOS-mode operating systems later.  If you wish to install in UEFI mode and don't care about keeping the ability to boot one of the existing syst
[23:45] <TJ-> sasho199_: Hmmm, that sounds like you've got Windows on there using BIOS boot mode. Does that sound correct?
[23:46] <sasho199_> TJ-: I have Windows 10 I don't know what BIOS boot mode is.
[23:48] <TJ-> sasho199_: if it were booting in EFI mode there would be an EFI System Partition on the disk, and apparently the installer has found there isn't one, which is why you're warned
[23:49] <sasho199_> TJ-: Is this a problem?
[23:49] <TJ-> sasho199_: My preference would be to have both Windows and Ubuntu boot in EFI mode, but as Windows is already there and in BIOS mode it seems like rebooting the Installer in BIOS mode might be better
[23:50] <TJ-> sasho199_: I'm not sure how easy it would be to convert Windows 10 to boot in EFI mode either, if it's possible at all
[23:52] <sasho199_> TJ-: I have a suspicion that whoever installed my Windows did a bad job, since I had problems with interrupt routines in Windows. One of the reasons why I want to install Ubuntu is to try to fix that problem. Is that related?
[23:53] <grrrrrub> Hello I'm trying to install Ubuntu 17.10 and my grub install fails to install to /dev/sda1. I'm prompted with 'Bootloader Install failed' dialog. I can choose another device to try to insestall the booloader to, continune without one, or cancel the installation. None of the options work, when I press 'Ok' nothing happens. Help!
[23:54] <kenrin> You should probably be installing it ot /dev/sda1 not /dev/sda1
[23:54] <kenrin> er
[23:54] <kenrin> /dev/sda
[23:55] <TJ-> sasho199_: it could be. If you have, or can create, windows install media (on a USB) /and/ save your product activation code(s), you could backup your user data, settings, etc., and  reinstall Windows in UEFI mode. There's an interesting thread here that talks about it and has some interesting links  https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3s7ieq/convert_windows_10_from_old_mbr_bios_to_uefi/
[23:55] <grrrrrub> I'm specifying /dev/sda1 because I have a raid 5 setup. For some reason I can never successfully install grub, I've always had to use  the boot repair utility
[23:55] <TJ-> sasho199_: I have to leave you to it for now, it's almost midnight here
[23:55] <grrrrrub> I've tried installing in UEFI mode, and legacy mode. In UEFI I tried creating a partition with 25 MB of space, in legacy I tried a 1 mb partition
[23:56] <grrrrrub> Both partitions on /dev/sda are at the very front of the disk
[23:56] <grrrrrub> I think I'm missing something
[23:57] <sasho199_> TJ-: Thanks a lot for your help, I might be able to resolve this problem from here on out, If I can't I'll join this chat again later.
[23:57] <TJ-> grrrrrub: the EFI System partition (fat16/32) is usually around 128MB - but 25MB should be /just/ enough. The BIOS Boot partition I usually set to 2MB (thats where GRUB puts it's core image when installed in BIOS mode on GPT)
[23:58] <TJ-> grrrrrub: but if the PC is only going to boot in EFI mode then you only need the EFI SP
[23:59] <grrrrrub> Hrmm, well I can force my motherboard to boot legacy only, that's not a problem
[23:59] <TJ-> grrrrrub: and when installing GRUB you should always specify the disk, not a partition
[23:59] <grrrrrub> Is there anyway to recover the install log?