[01:05] <Burgwork> I am getting really really annoyed at lack of namespaces right now
[01:11] <Burgwork> hmm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PageHits
[06:32] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ping?
[09:08] <Madpilot> another quiet evening here?
[09:10] <rob1> everyone is in #freenode-newyears
[09:11] <Madpilot> still 24hrs to New Year's here
[09:11] <rob1> 6 here
[09:11] <Madpilot> 23hrs 49min, actually :P
[05:36] <jsgotangco> happy new year guys
[05:54] <mdke> happy new year to you too jsgotangco
[05:55] <jsgotangco> mdke, cheers mate
[07:40] <nickrud> I really like step three from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaSetup. that's how I got my first set of working sources :)
[10:46] <theCore> how do I make a redirect in the wiki ?
[10:58] <theCore> n/w i found it


[05:30] <didrocks> good morning
[05:43] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[05:58] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:24] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:26] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:34] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:41] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey duflu
[08:04] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:05] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:06] <lissyx> oSoMoN, thanks for all the needinfo :)
[08:16] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[08:54] <seb128> duflu, lissyx, oSoMoN, Hey, how are you?
[08:55] <duflu> seb128, not bad. Feel like I've made good progress and soon EOW. How are you?
[08:58] <oSoMoN> I'm doing good, thanks!
[08:58] <lissyx> seb128, at high speed on the train :)
[08:59] <oSoMoN> lissyx, I still have a few needinfo to go through, and I've just fixed the nightly builds, so I'm going to proceed with merging your debug symbols branch and do a test build
[08:59] <lissyx> oSoMoN, can't you perform a test without merging?
[08:59] <lissyx> in case there are things we need to further fix, so we dont clutter the history too much
[09:00] <lissyx> i'm tracking a bug where someone sets /dev/shm as download folder on the snap package
[09:00] <lissyx> and it's triggering EACCES on XDG Document Portal ...
[09:00] <oSoMoN> I'd need to set up another branch, another workflow, and that would end up being more clutter than testing in the nightly branch itself I think
[09:00] <lissyx> right
[09:00] <lissyx> so let's hope I forgot nothing :)
[09:01] <oSoMoN> we shall see very soon :)
[09:01] <lissyx> oSoMoN, can you also do a test run on gnome-sdk patches?
[09:01] <lissyx> or do we need kenvandine to merge before
[09:07] <seb128> lissyx, I will give a try to the gnome-sdk debug change today
[09:08] <seb128> duflu, ah, nice, on what changesets are you working atm?
[09:11] <duflu> seb128, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/946
[09:17] <seb128> duflu, ah, great!
[09:17] <seb128> also I can't wait for the day we will replace IRC by something modern which handle disconnects and timeouts
[09:20] <seb128> duflu, do you know if adding an extension to org.gnome.shell disabled-extensions should be an ok-is way to prevent it to be loaded even if it's part of the session?
[09:21] <seb128> it's for the new desktop installer, we want to disable ding and dashtodock by default for the 'installer only' mode
[09:23] <seb128> I hacked the systemd job which start the installer to do 'gnome-extensions disable<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which works but it's a bit late so the launcher displays for a second before being unloaded
[09:23] <seb128> the idea was that we would disable the extensions and re-enable them when the installer closes (which the 'try ubuntu' item would also trigger)
[09:25] <duflu> seb128, not familiar with that command but if it sets gsettings org.gnome.shell disabled-extensions ... then yes
[09:54] <luna> how to tell apt in ubuntu to not upgrade a package?
[10:09] <guiverc> luna, this isn't support, please use #ubuntu & don't post the same in multiple rooms
[10:09] <luna> ok
[10:17] <luna> oh well too lazy to fight with that now, atleast Spotify still works on FreeBSD thats what i use the compat layer/jail for
[13:11] <lissyx> seb128, oSoMoN by chance you dont know where this struct _PermissionDbEntry is defined? https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/blob/main/document-portal/permission-db.h#L32
[13:16] <oSoMoN> lissyx: a PermissionDbEntry is just a GVariant, see https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/blob/main/document-portal/permission-db.c#L1100
[13:20] <lissyx> ok, and what does the struct contains?
[13:20] <lissyx> I think I need to deserialize etc
[13:28] <lissyx> https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/835
[13:30] <oSoMoN> lissyx, setting the download folder to /dev/shm seems really convoluted, is there a valid use case for it?
[13:30] <lissyx> oSoMoN, who am I to judge what people are doing ?
[13:31] <lissyx> oSoMoN, and it was working without snap
[13:31] <lissyx> oSoMoN, and I dont see why even weird, it would not work
[13:33] <oSoMoN> I don't mean to judge, just saying that if there isn't a sensible use case, it's probably fine to ignore
[13:33] <oSoMoN> (and focus on real issues instead)
[13:34] <lissyx> the ones I filed upstream issues that are not moving? :D
[13:35] <lissyx> oSoMoN, is this still valid ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1297524
[13:37] <oSoMoN> nope, let me comment
[16:50] <lissyx> seb128, so the pkcs#11 issue links to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1967632, there seems to be no activity, did it just fall through the cracks (it happens often on bugzilla, so I would not be surprised) ?
[17:29] <oSoMoN> seb128, first successful firefox snap build with debug symbols: https://launchpad.net/~osomon/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-stable-dbgsyms/+build/1828055
[19:16] <seb128> lissyx, I guess oSoMoN shared that with you but he got a firefox snap test build which .debug generated on launchpad
[19:19] <lissyx> seb128, :)
[19:22] <lissyx> seb128, and I had a small mistake in my code but it is fixed now: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=try&revision=6495bdf1f62d123e44e0101a0462b619848471fd&selectedTaskRun=AY3eZDyCSeKu6bXG9-qbZw.0
[19:22] <lissyx> so symbol upload test succeeds: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=try&revision=6495bdf1f62d123e44e0101a0462b619848471fd&selectedTaskRun=PrbhR5NCRbuCqwMOxxvIYw.0
[19:28] <seb128> lissyx, great!
[19:30] <lissyx> seb128, so now, just have to cherry pick on all branches
[19:30] <lissyx> and we just need gnome-sdk also :)
[19:33] <seb128> right :)
[19:50] <seb128> lissyx, and I will check the pkcs#11 bug details later
[20:12] <lissyx> :)


[15:52] <stgraber> sforshee: where can I get that 4.13.0-6.7 kernel?
[15:53] <stgraber> sforshee: based on the lxd logs, it looks like something's broken with apparmor profile namespacing, but I'd need to reproduce this myself to see exactly what
[15:56] <sforshee> stgraber: ppa:canonical-kernel-team/unstable
[15:57] <stgraber> sforshee: for the lxc one, I'm actually wondering if it's not the current resolvconf/networkd mess that's breaking DNS in there. When were those tests run?
[15:58] <sforshee> stgraber: today
[15:58] <stgraber> hmm, guess I'll have to look at what they broke in artful now...
[16:31] <sforshee> jjohansen: some snapd adt tests are failing with 4.13, and all the failures have the message "Failed to query AppArmor policy: Permission denied." Any idea what's going on there?
[16:31] <sforshee> jjohansen: bug 1713103
[16:34] <tyhicks> sforshee: are you able to run commands on that test machine? if so, the output of `ls -al /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/.access` would be hadny
[16:35] <tyhicks> s/hadny/handy/
[16:35] <tyhicks> sforshee: oh, I've got yesterday's linux-next kernel running in a VM
[16:35] <tyhicks> on artful:
[16:35] <tyhicks> -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Aug 15 17:38 /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/.access
[16:36] <tyhicks> (artful kernel 4.11.0-13.19-generic)
[16:36] <tyhicks> on linux-next:
[16:36] <tyhicks> -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 Aug 24 21:26 /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/.access
[16:37] <sforshee> tyhicks: those were adt tests so no I don't have access
[16:37] <tyhicks> looks like the apparmor kernel query interface was upstreamed with different file permissions than what was previously in ubuntu
[16:38] <tyhicks> sforshee: no worries - I'll update the bug with my findings so that jjohansen knows the problem when he starts his day
[16:38] <sforshee> tyhicks: thanks, appreciate it!
[17:43] <stgraber> tyhicks, sforshee: tracked down the LXD adt failure with 4.13, the problem is a change of apparmor syntax to represent a stacked profile
[17:44] <stgraber> before 4.13:
[17:44] <stgraber>    lxd-aatest_</var/lib/lxd>//&:lxd-aatest_<var-lib-lxd>://unconfined (27047)
[17:44] <stgraber> after 4.13:
[17:44] <stgraber>    lxd-aatest_</var/lib/lxd>//&:lxd-aatest_<var-lib-lxd>:unconfined (23835)
[17:44] <stgraber> this is tripping our test for ":<profile>://unconfined"
[17:46] <stgraber> I'll send an upstream tweak for our testsuite so that it supports both syntaxes
[17:47] <tyhicks> jjohansen: ^ was that intentional?
[17:48] <jjohansen> tyhicks: give me a sec
[17:49] <tyhicks> no worries, just making sure you saw stgraber's investigation
[17:49] <stgraber> jjohansen, tyhicks: If this is expected, I'll send this upstream: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25390829/
[17:49] <stgraber> which should make both our policy and test support both syntaxes
[17:50] <jjohansen> tyhicks: the switch from :ns://profile -> :ns:profile was intential
[17:50] <jjohansen> both formats have always been valid
[17:50] <jjohansen> I guess you weren't around when I asked the question
[17:50] <jjohansen> it came down to readablity
[17:51] <tyhicks> I suppose it is nice to save a couple chars since that string length is limited
[17:51] <jjohansen> well yes there is that too
[17:51] <stgraber> jjohansen: do we need to have both syntaxes listed in change_profile?
[17:52] <jjohansen> stgraber: ? you can use either, they are both valid, always have been
[17:52] <stgraber> jjohansen: right now we generate a profile which contains: "change_profile -> lxd-aatest_</var/lib/lxd>//&:lxd-aatest_<var-lib-lxd>://*"
[17:52] <jjohansen> oh, you mean the documentation? yes they should be
[17:53] <stgraber> Will that match someone doing a change profile to "lxd-aatest_</var/lib/lxd>//&:lxd-aatest_<var-lib-lxd>:unconfined"?
[17:53] <stgraber> or is the check done against the provided string as it came from the user
[17:54] <jjohansen> stgraber: the check is should be post parse
[17:54] <jjohansen> but it is possible there is a bug
[17:56] <stgraber> ok
[17:56] <jjohansen> so, I would say that is a bug on our end, I'll take a look
[17:57] <stgraber> I don't know that there is a bug, was just wondering whether we need to allow both syntaxes in the profile so that we don't end up with one being blocked for our users
[17:57] <stgraber> anyway, I've confirmed that listing both syntaxes doesn't cause problems, so we'll just go with that, safer that way
[18:00] <jjohansen> stgraber: yes its a bug, but at least there is a work around of listing both
[19:10] <sforshee> jjohansen, tyhicks: also some apparmor test failures here -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:13] <tyhicks> jjohansen: looks like pivot_root regression test failures
[19:13] <tyhicks> probably related to the lack of profile transition functionality
[19:26] <jjohansen> sforshee: yes there are a few regression test changes to go with the kernel, we need to get those pushed out
[19:27] <jjohansen> there are the pivot root transitions, a couple of query tests going from xpass to pass
[19:27] <sforshee> jjohansen: ack, thanks for taking a look
[19:27] <jjohansen> the longpath fix which we already have in ubuntu
[19:27] <tyhicks> xpass -> pass
[19:27] <tyhicks> nice
[19:28] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I think bug 1713103 is probably the most important failure right now
[19:28] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I did some quick triage, left my findings in the bug, and then assigned it to you
[19:28] <jjohansen> ack
[21:18] <tyhicks> sforshee: we spoke one or two weeks ago about the need to target both the 4.12 and 4.13 kernels for artful backports
[21:18] <tyhicks> sforshee: however, I'm just getting around to the backport
[21:18] <tyhicks> sforshee: do I still need to target both or is 4.13 sufficient?
[21:19]  * tyhicks isn't sure when 4.13 is expected to land
[22:38] <tomreyn> before 4.14!
[22:40] <tomreyn> .12 has rc7 before going 'stable'. .11 had rc8, .10 had rc8. we're at 4.13.6, i'll give it another one or two rc's.
[22:42] <tomreyn> that's unless hpe ilom ent into kernel space recently ;-)
[22:44] <tomreyn> ... or someone actuall ylooked at inifiniband code from an infinite perspective.
[23:17] <tyhicks> sforshee: nvm, I went ahead and backported to 4.12 and tested both 4.12 and 4.13. Patches sent to the kernel-team mailing list.


[00:00] <Schwarzbaer> Thanks. Download is nearly complete...
[00:07] <Schwarzbaer> ...aaand the stick is too small for the Ubuntu image.
[00:07] <sarnold> oh man :/
[00:09] <ausjke> trying to get hard drive disk out from a failed-to-boot windows 10, usb will show ubuntu install window, click on boot it will reset the computer and come back to the same grub-GUI but never proceed
[00:09] <ausjke> s/disk/content/
[00:10] <ausjke> so cpu and DDR are running fine, hard-drive is irrelevant, what is stopping usb-boot from working, could it be MBR issues? I chose BIOS as legacy-boot and put USB on the first to boot list
[00:10] <bprompt> Schwarzbaer:   at the local store, just 3 days ago, 32gbs usb2 stick for $5US
[00:11] <Schwarzbaer> bprompt, I'm hoping for that, too, but right now, it's past midnight, no store selling sticks has been open for hours.
[00:14] <bprompt> ausjke:   are you referring of a dual-boot system? as in the grub menu at the start, or a usb-stick boot?
[00:15] <ausjke> just usb-stick-boot to check as first step, windows10 can ever boot up again, however this is the first time usb-stick can not boot  for me, it just show the bootup-screen and let me choose install/try, then repeat the screen
[00:16] <ausjke> same usb-stick booted up fine on other machines, so bios seemed ok, cpu/ddr ok too, hdd is irrelevant, what else matters here?
[00:17] <bprompt> ausjke:   sounds like the usb stick itself isn't well burned in, maybe rewrite the iso to it
[00:17] <ausjke> does usb-boot require a hdd that has a sane system, i should be able to boot with usb-stick even there is no hard drive, right
[00:18] <bprompt> ausjke:   right, I've run ubuntu on a laptop with no HD at all, runs fine
[00:18] <ausjke> ok let me find another usb-stick then
[00:19] <bprompt> ausjke:   but bear in mind that, when shutting down the "live session", you must let it finish completely, or the usb-stick filesystem goes borked
[00:19] <bprompt> saying that, because some folks might force it by keypresses or holding down the power button
[00:20] <ausjke> wish usb has a read-only button or some sort, so it never got corrupetd, like a cd-rom in the old days
[00:22] <bprompt> well, cdrom's didn't have a read-only button, read-only was their only mode
[00:23] <bprompt> floppies had a read-only lock
[00:25] <ausjke> all true, what i meant is if usb can have a read-only mode, i think some SD-card has that too
[01:25] <NewToLubuntu> does anyone know if an IRC client like pidgin would be an "interface"?
[01:25] <NewToLubuntu> I'm trying to figure out whether I can use "Wondershaper" to cap my download speed for XDCC File Transfers
[01:27] <sarnold> NewToLubuntu: wondershaper may be able to help you, but switching to the fq_codel traffic control discipline may help more; wondershaper was amazing stuff when it was new ~twenty years ago, but fq_codel takes those ideas and does more..
[01:27] <sarnold> NewToLubuntu: to answer your direct question, no, your irc transfers wouldn't be an interface as far as wondershaper is concerned
[01:28] <sarnold> NewToLubuntu: it works in terms of eg eth0, wlan0, etc; and works on all the traffic on those
[01:39] <jadax> hey, do you know software for Ubuntu to edit PDFs?
[01:41] <NewToLubuntu> sarnold do you think using fq_codel could help me shape just irc traffic?
[01:41] <NewToLubuntu> I'm hoping just to cap my downloads to 500kb, they're zooming up to 1200 but I don't want to interfere with browsing of those I share niternet with
[01:47] <sarnold> jadax: pdfmod is in the archive. I have no idea if it's any good. I've used pdflatex to *generate* pdfs before, but latex isn't something to undertake lightly
[01:48] <sarnold> NewToLubuntu: ahh, that's a different problem. maybe if fq_codel is running on the router you're using, it might help everyone..
[01:48] <jadax> I would love something with GUI
[01:48] <jadax> so I can drag and drop stuff
[01:48] <jadax> there's few tools like that on Windows / MAC
[01:48] <jadax> and there's few online tools
[01:48] <jadax> but I cannot use online ones
[01:48] <sarnold> NewToLubuntu: ooooh, okay, here's an idea. lxd knows how to create containers that can do bandwidth limits https://stgraber.org/2016/03/26/lxd-2-0-resource-control-412/
[02:15] <bigpic> hey guys I just did a dist-upgrade to 16.04.6 and now all of my preventative measures try to keep the os from auto importing my zfs pools are not working
[02:15] <bigpic> i’ve got an ha cluster and now multiple nodes have imported the zfs pool
[02:15] <sarnold> yikes
[02:15] <sarnold> at once??
[02:15] <bigpic> all of the zfs services have been disabled in systemctl
[02:15] <bigpic> i’ve deleted the cachefile
[02:16] <bigpic> i’ve set cachefile to none in the properties
[02:16] <bigpic> i’ve told /etc/defaults/zfs to not import the pools
[02:16] <bigpic> nothing is working
[02:16] <bigpic> i don’t know what else to try
[02:18] <bindi> https://old.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/9jsn9c/notes_on_how_to_disable_the_cache_file_in_zol/
[02:18] <bindi> try to follow this
[02:19] <sarnold> bigpic: hmm, is it maybe sysvinitrc scripts?
[02:22] <bigpic> bindi: yea I’ve implemented all of their suggestions already :(
[02:22] <bigpic> sarnold: let me poke around brb
[02:23] <bindi> might it be in  fstab?
[02:23] <sarnold> bigpic: crontab @reboot entries? udev rules?
[02:23] <bigpic> not in fstab
[02:23] <bigpic> root cron empty
[02:23] <sarnold> bigpic: if you're 100% stuck maybe you could add an auditd rule to log all execve, that might show you the thing
[02:24] <bigpic> not familiar with udev rules
[02:24] <sarnold> but I gotta say I hope there's an easier way :)
[02:24] <bigpic> googling
[02:24] <bigpic> me too :)
[02:25] <bindi> could always ask #zfsonlinux
[02:46] <blue1> I can't get xfce to save the desktop environment.  It's a duplicate of this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1215182 which still exists in 18.04 lts -- are there any work arounds?
[02:58] <wjlafrance> Hello, I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 with a ZFS root. I hadn't rebooted my computer in a month or two, and now I'm hanging on `Begin: Mounting 'tank/ROOT/ubuntu-1' on 'root//' ...`. I've tried an older kernel and booting from another drive in the zpool.
[02:58] <wjlafrance> I ran the live USB and imported the zpool and drives are online.
[03:01] <wjlafrance> Ah, it wasn't hung. It sprung back to life several minutes later.
[03:01] <NewToLubuntu> I can't really make sense of those instructions to figure if i could apply it to my program
[03:01] <NewToLubuntu> perhaps tere is a way I could rank my PC low-priority
[03:02] <NewToLubuntu> so if anyone needs bandwidth they get it first
[03:02] <tertl3> hey guys
[03:02] <tertl3> Gentoo user here
[03:02] <sarnold> wjlafrance: woah really? did you perchance have a bunch of deletes or dataset removals pending?
[03:03] <sarnold> wjlafrance: is there anything funny in zpool status? zpool history?
[03:03] <wjlafrance> sarnold: I had a drive failure and had to resilver 700GB or so onto it. I guess I haven't rebooted since that resilver.
[03:03] <sarnold> wjlafrance: hmm. I don't think I would have expected that to be a factor.. but I"ve not yet lost any drives..
[03:04] <wjlafrance> Hard drive failures: those who've had them, and those who will. :)
[03:04] <sarnold> well
[03:04] <sarnold> I had a fantastic drive failure back around 2000 :)
[03:04] <Randolf> wjlafrance: One of my clients has a computer from the 1980s that's still running Windows 3.10 with IVR software on an old MFM or RLL drive.  No bad sectors yet.  :D
[03:05] <sarnold> I just meant I've never had to resilver anything..
[03:05] <sarnold> my drive failure was great; it was a firewall machine, and I rarely used it directly; I had an open ssh to it from my desktop, and some programs worked, some programs didn't, and I didn't touch it because it was finals week..
[03:05] <Randolf> It seems that WINE can actually run Windows 3 programs without any trouble.  So, making the move as soon as I can get a voicemodem that's compatible with the old software.
[03:06] <sarnold> turned the thing off for winter break, and it never booted again. I took apart the drive for fun, and there were deep grooves ground into the platters. very neat.
[03:06] <sarnold> Randolf: cripes, that seems unlikely :)
[03:08] <Randolf> sarnold: Yeah, but I do have a supplier who has been searching through the depths of his old stock for his last voicemodem that plugs directly into a PCI port (his inventory report indicates there is one) which will cost a whole $13 or so.  I expect it should work just fine under Ubuntu at least.
[03:08] <Randolf> sarnold: Wow, that's a nasty failure indeed.
[03:09] <sarnold> Randolf: I blamed logging every denied packet. hehe
[03:09] <sarnold> Randolf: $13 sounds like a pretty good price for one of those :D
[03:11] <Randolf> Logging every denied packet?  Whoops!  Oh well, running a Bitcoin node seems to destroy hard drives pretty quickly too.
[03:12] <Randolf> It would depend on how much logging was going on I suppose.
[03:12] <sarnold> well, it was 2000. kinder gentler internet.
[03:12] <Randolf> Oh yeah.  And no Bitcoin back then either.
[04:34] <ga_sk8er> ok im  registered
[04:35] <sarnold> welcome
[04:35] <ga_sk8er> im  having issues with my sound.  my mic works fine but my headphones wont give sound
[04:39] <ga_sk8er> i cant even test my speakers. it wont try to  play a sound
[04:41] <sarnold> ga_sk8er: my audio just kinda owrked, so it's hard to suggest things to try..
[04:41] <sarnold> ga_sk8er: I think I see people report success with pavucontrol
[04:49] <JPSman> Hello!
[04:50] <ga_sk8er> weird.  i  tried everything i  could for 30 mins. i  even did the alsa mixer. all  i did was plug it into  the back  & it works. i  guess my front ports dont work in linux
[04:50] <sarnold> ga_sk8er: weird indeed
[04:50] <sarnold> hello JPSman
[04:50] <ga_sk8er> i tried the back  before...weird pc
[04:50] <JPSman> So, my laptop went through an update recently, and now the volume control on the front no longer works.  Question, how can I see a list of the packages and kernel updates that were most recently applied ... so that I can start to chase down this issue?
[04:50] <sarnold> ga_sk8er: did you see any different outputs in dropdown lists for an output selector?
[04:50] <sarnold> JPSman: /var/log/dkpg.log
[04:50] <ga_sk8er> with a laptop,  make sure the mute button isnt pushed
[04:51] <ga_sk8er> usually "Fn"  & another key
[04:51] <sarnold> hah, great point :)
[04:52] <ga_sk8er> lol 1 time my mom  accidentally hit airplane mode button.  she couldnt figure why she lost internet
[04:53] <padhu> Hi ubuntians
[04:54] <JPSman> huh --- now my custom hotkey of super + F3 no longer launches my terminal ....... but my ctrl-alt F2 functionality is finally back....
[05:01] <JPSman> so - there is no mute FN on this puppy
[05:20] <JPSman> soooooo this fixed it..... https://askubuntu.com/questions/461093/volume-buttons-not-working-in-14-04
[05:20] <JPSman> Thank you sarnold!
[05:22] <sarnold> JPSman: ugh. ew. I'm sorry that's still around :(
[05:22] <sarnold> JPSman: I'm glad you got there though, thanks for pasting back the workaround
[05:23] <JPSman> sure thing :)
[06:36] <SuperLag> is there something I can pass to apt when I'm doing a full-upgrade that will imply "yes" to the "start services" question I get with a pink screen?
[06:37] <ducasse> SuperLag: i'm guessing you could use -y, but thhat would answer 'yes' to everything
[06:41] <SuperLag> ducasse: I pass "apt -y full-upgrade" but that doesn't deal with the confirmation required to start services (or not).
[06:46] <Allen> hello
[06:47] <Allen> exit
[06:48] <SuperLag> Allen: hi
[06:48] <SuperLag> Allen: bye :)
[07:01] <u0_a159_2> hi
[07:03] <omega_doom> hello. Recently i have made some update and now i have weird color in opengl and crashes. How can i identify what was updated and unroll it?
[07:03] <u0_a159__> Halo
[07:03] <u0_a159__> I dont know sorry
[07:25] <beatleboy07> Okay, this is maddening. Anyone have suggestions on how to get a Redragon Perdition mouse programmable? I've tried using PlayOnLinux to load the software, but I can't actually program it.
[07:26] <beatleboy07> It's the only thing that I seem to still need Windows for.
[07:38] <root> hey
[07:44] <kevin91> Hi everyone !Has anyone already seen an online foss reservation module that can be used for sport classes. My wife is a yoga teacher, I developed her website and she'd like her students to book their classes online. I do only see very expensive modules and not even sure it respects privacy for everyone. Some fo them I've seen does not propose any l
[07:44] <kevin91> oyalty cards system allowing to book 10 or 20 courses for a reduced price and reminding you how many courses left you have.
[07:49] <Ascavasaion> kevin91, think you are in the wrong channel.
[07:50] <Ascavasaion> kevin91, Maybe try a java, asp, perl, etc channel
[08:01] <hortiel> hi
[08:01] <hortiel> which ports are close by default
[08:01] <hortiel> I did iptables -S , and it shows allow for allow by default
[08:02] <hortiel> so clearly ports are open but internet says ubuntu closes all ports by default?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | hortiel
[08:06] <ducasse> hortiel: the firewall is unconfigured by default
[08:20] <decorumvelox> Hello
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome decorumvelox
[08:33] <az> hello, what is the package I should report when there is an issue right before the login screen?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> az: that depends what this issue is exactly, what happens to you?
[08:34] <az> lotuspsychje, I'm getting dropped to root shell when I fail to enter my encrypted home directory password
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> az: you entered the right password?
[08:35] <omega_doom> Hi. It was safe boot that caused problem with opengl. If I forgot that I turned of the safe boot I would not know why i have crashes.
[08:36] <az> lotuspsychje, no. sometimes I leave the computer open and it just drop there
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[08:36] <omega_doom> If I forgot that I turned on the safe boot I would not know how to fix it.
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> az: not sure sorry, encryption is not really my expertise, maybe someone else knows
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> az: maybe if you can catch logs out of /var/log volunteers might help to debug better
[08:38] <omega_doom> @lotuspsychje: It's gforce 640mx.
[08:40] <omega_doom> How is safe boot affecting graphics? Is it affecting dtivers?
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: nomodeset is not fully using the card, meant for debugging things
[08:44] <omega_doom> lotuspsychje: nomodeset? What is it?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | omega_doom
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video plz?
[08:49] <omega_doom> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/bsRQZ4bG
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: nvidia model doesnt show so it seems, can you pastebin: nvidia-smi
[08:51] <omega_doom> lotuspsychje: But how are nomodeset and safe boot connected?
[08:52] <omega_doom> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/xkRe3hpN
[08:53] <omega_doom> nvidai 940mx
[08:54] <omega_doom> bad with numbers
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: allright, so your card is an optimus, are your graphics working properly right now or not?
[08:57] <omega_doom> lotuspsychje: Yes, it's working properly in safe boot off mode.
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: safe boot isnt meant for working daily, what happens when you boot normally? black screen?
[09:00] <omega_doom> No, everything works fine but when i boot in safe on mode then 3d is not working properly.
[09:01] <omega_doom> safe boot on.
[09:02] <omega_doom> it's a bios setting.
[09:03] <omega_doom> Or maybe it's secure mode. I need to check it again.
[09:08] <omega_doom> yes, it is secure boot that's messing with 3d.
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> omega_doom: right, uefi settings can influence hardware indeed
[09:12] <omega_doom> hmm, uefi is mysterious beast. Where can i read about it?
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | omega_doom
[09:15] <omega_doom> ok, it's what i suspected. There are not signed drivers in ubuntu and secure boot doesn't work correctly with it.
[09:20] <omega_doom> Or do i need to add keys in order secure boot could't work correctly?
[10:30] <nd__> On 18.04, how do I ensure that wireguard's wg0 device is up on (re)start? `/etc/network/interfaces.d/wg0` didn't work, same for putting it in `/etc/network/interfaces`.
[10:36] <uwe__> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU         540  @ 3.07GHz (2,88GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15,2 GiB Total (1,8 GiB Free) Swap: 3,1 GiB Total (3,1 GiB Free) • Storage: 400,3 GB / 486,0 GB (85,7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV200 QW [Radeon 7500 LE] @ Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved •
[10:36] <uwe__> Uptime: 1h 25m 28s
[10:37] <bramgn> nd__: `systemctl enable wg-quick@wg0` is what i use on fedora. You could give it a try.
[10:49] <nd__> bramgn: I found this and tried it, it might work. It's a bit magic, so I'd prefered to understand what it does, instead of integrating it like that into my chef recipes… I thought there might be an easy solution… probably a yaml file somewhere in `/etc/netplan` or something.
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:17] <bramgn> nd__: well enabling services in systemd is not magic. It basically creates a symlink at the appropriate place.
[11:59] <choice> How do you intall gksu these days? Or is there an aternative command now?
[12:00] <ioria> gksu is dead
[12:00] <choice> what lives?
[12:01] <ioria> pkexec
[12:05] <choice> I want to put a root terminal into my Gnome menu.
[12:05] <choice> Would pkexec be the right thing for that?
[12:06] <ioria> try first nautilus-admin
[12:07] <choice> What is that?
[12:07] <ioria> !info nautilus-admin
[12:07] <choice> That is not what I want.
[12:07] <choice> I want gnome-terminal to run as root.
[12:13] <choice> pkexec seems to work fine for mate-terminal.
[12:17] <gagan662> Hi, I have a situation where i want all of my traffic from linux box to be forwarded to mac machine.
[12:17] <gagan662> I'm not able to implement this scenario with IPtables.
[12:17] <gagan662> could someone please advise .
[12:28] <ikanobori> What have you tried?
[12:58] <ryusaku> are you able to delete a file, that is owned by another user, if you are in a group that has rwx on the folder that that file resides?
[13:00] <ryusaku> yes, you are
[13:00] <ryusaku> :)
[13:26] <B1ack0p> hi. i have bluetooth device plugged to my laptop internally (thinkpad x61) but ubuntu 18.04  doesnt detect bluetooth device
[13:27] <B1ack0p> is it possible bt device is stuck off somehow?
[13:27] <B1ack0p> and how can i unblock/turn on it?
[13:50] <FreeBDSM> hello
[13:50] <FreeBDSM> how does "~" gets resolved into path to home dir of a user?
[13:52] <FreeBDSM> what if I create a new user with non-standard home dir, how will then other users' shell know that "~anotheruser" is at that arbitrary path rather than at `/home/anotheruser`? Does it read `/etc/passwd`?
[13:53] <abi_> hi
[14:03] <raidensnake> any idea how I can get ubuntu working on the pi 4?
[14:04] <raidensnake> I can't even get it to boot
[14:09] <raidensnake> #raspberrypi
[14:09] <raidensnake> oops
[14:16] <dbenson> Hi all, after apt-get removing update-notifier I now have a long list of no-longer-needed packages that apt wants to autoremove.  Looks like the system will break if I do that.  Any advice?
[14:29] <ioria> dbenson, can you paste the packages list ?
[14:30] <ioria> dbenson, and btw, removing update-notifier just removes the ubuntu-desktop metapackage (not the DE itself)
[14:37] <dbenson> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: blender-data brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common breeze-icon-theme catdoc create-resources devede dvd+rw-tools dvdauthor dvgrab ffmpeg2theora gimp-help-common gir1.2-ges-1.0
[14:37] <dbenson>  gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 gnustep-back-common gnustep-back0.27 gnustep-back0.27-cairo gnustep-base-common gnustep-base-runtime gnustep-common gnustep-gui-common gnustep-gui-runtime gpick growisofs gstreamer1.0-gtk3 kaccounts-providers kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kde-cli-tools kde-cli-tools-data kdeconnect kded5 kdenlive
[14:37] <dbenson>  kdenlive-data kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5 krita krita-data libaccounts-glib0 libaccounts-qt5-1 libblosc1 libbrasero-media3-1 libc-ares2 libdc1394-utils libdcmtk14 libebur128-1 libepub0 libfakekey0 libges-1.0-0 libglew2.1 libgnustep-base1.26 libgnustep-gui0.27 libgstreamermm-1.0-1 libiso9660-11 libjemalloc2 libjs-jquery-ui libjsoncpp1 libkaccounts1 libkf5activities5 libkf5auth5 li
[14:38] <dbenson> sorry, i'm not sure how to paste that many lines in irsii...
[14:38] <ioria> dbenson, has nothing to do with removing update-notifier
[14:38] <dbenson> may have been update-manager
[14:39] <ioria> nope
[14:39] <dbenson> the system wants to remove ~800MB of stuff.  regardless of how it happened, how can i fix?
[14:39] <ioria> dbenson, install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[14:40] <dbenson> ok, will try now
[14:40] <ioria> dbenson, those looks like kde pkgs
[14:42] <ioria> dbenson, i suggest to check /var/log/apt/history.log to know the exact cmds you ran
[14:42] <dbenson> ioria, so that will reinstall everything, including the stuff i wanted removed.
[14:42] <ioria> dbenson, a bunch of them are KDE ...
[14:43] <ioria> dbenson, you probably removed something else
[14:46] <dbenson> ioria, found this: apt-get remove update-manager update-manager-core update-notifier update-notifier-common ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[14:46] <ioria> nope
[14:47] <ioria> dbenson, you remove blender, krita, kdenlive... etc. etc.
[14:47] <dbenson> it was a fresh install yesterday evening, other than those pkgs, i added vlc and irssi
[14:47] <dbenson> unchecked blender during install.
[14:47] <ioria> dbenson, those are kde apps
[14:48] <dbenson> ioria, i have xfce desktop
[14:48] <ioria> dbenson, you should have told before :þ
[14:49] <dbenson> ioria, hold on...this is ubuntu studio, could that be the issue?  maybe this is the wrong channel for help...
[14:50] <ioria> dbenson, did yoiu run  the cmd  :  apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop or not ?
[14:50] <dbenson> ioria, will do now...
[14:50] <ioria> nope
[14:50] <ioria> dbenson, don't do it
[14:50] <ioria> dbenson, it's not your desktop env
[14:51] <Sebastien> he dun it
[14:51] <Sebastien> he most likely did
[14:51] <Sebastien> because you made him assume he had to do it
[14:51] <Sebastien> lol
[14:51] <ioria> my bad
[14:52] <dbenson> ioria, sorry i switched terminal windows and could not see irc...
[14:52] <ioria> dbenson, ubuntu-desktop installs Gnome3 not xfce
[14:52] <dbenson> ioria, after running that command it fetched like 251 pkgs then hit this:
[14:53] <dbenson> Err:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security/main amd64 firefox amd64 68.0.1+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:53] <ioria> dbenson, firefox is 68.0.2+build1 now
[14:54] <dbenson> ioria, so apt-get update first?
[14:54] <ioria> dbenson, yes, but don't install ubuntu-desktop
[14:54] <dbenson> can i simply "unflag" the packages so they aren't autoremoved?
[14:55] <ioria> dbenson, you can reinstall them manually .... but why ?
[14:58] <dbenson> ioria, maybe the question i should ask is what is the correct way to remove update-manager/notifier  without orphaning all the other packages on the system?
[14:59] <ioria> dbenson, look: on Ubuntu (idk varaints) removinf update-notifier removes just the ubuntu-desktop metapkg not the whole DE
[15:00] <ioria> *variants
[15:00] <ioria> dbenson, don't know if you get me
[15:02] <dbenson> ioria, kinda...it's a meta pkg that is essentially a big list and should be safe to remove.  i think this may be an issue specific to Ubuntu Studio.  i at least have some better idea about it now.
[15:03] <ioria> dbenson, if you are on ubuntu-studio you might need to install --reinstall ubuntustudio-desktop not uubntu-desktop
[15:05] <dbenson> ioria, that looks better...  here is what it wants to reinstall after that cmd:  blueman bluez firefox pulseaudio-module-bluetooth ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk ubuntustudio-desktop update-manager update-manager-core update-notifier update-notifier-common
[15:06] <ioria> dbenson, run this :   dpkg -l | grep desktop | nc termbin.com 9999   and paste here the url you got
[15:07] <dbenson> ioria, https://termbin.com/r0ex
[15:08] <ioria> dbenson, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntustudio-desktop
[15:09] <Guest22249> how can i install discord on lubuntu 18.04.03 lts
[15:09] <Guest22249> ?
[15:10] <cnnx> how do i increase the font in gnome in ubuntu 18.04
[15:10] <cnnx> im on a new laptop at 1080 resolution
[15:10] <cnnx> everything is tiny
[15:11] <dbenson> ioria, done... what apt command can i use to check if it worked?
[15:11] <ioria> dbenson, worked what ?
[15:12] <dbenson> ioria, to see if the long list of pkgs for autoremove is still there...
[15:12] <ioria> dbenson, sudo apt update
[15:13] <Bashing-om> Guest22249: Comfortable with a snap install of discord ? then see: https://ubuntu.com/blog/discord-is-now-available-as-a-snap-for-ubuntu-and-other-distributions .
[15:13] <Guest22249> thanks
[15:14] <dbenson> ioria, the big autoremove list is still present. guess that didn't fix it...
[15:14] <ioria> dbenson, paste it (not here)
[15:14] <Bashing-om> Guest22249: Be aware that a snap is containerized and has nothing to do with the Apt package management system.
[15:15] <Guest22249> ok thanks for the warning
[15:17] <dbenson> ioria, https://termbin.com/jxqic
[15:18] <ioria> dbenson,   install --reinstall ubuntustudio-graphics
[15:18] <dbenson> ok
[15:19] <ioria> dbenson,   then do the same for ubuntustudio-audio
[15:20] <dbenson> ioria, ok
[15:20] <ioria> dbenson,   ubuntustudio-video   and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[15:20] <dbenson> ioria, doing them now...
[15:22] <dbenson> ioria, after all those here is result: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 199 not upgraded.
[15:22] <ioria> dbenson,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:22] <dbenson> ioria, ok
[15:23] <ioria> dbenson,  what's your kernel ? uname -r
[15:25] <dbenson> ioria, will check after upgrade...
[15:26] <parak0vsky> i need eq that i can control trough midi interface for all the output audio of the system
[15:26] <parak0vsky> pls share suggestions for the ways to achieve that
[15:26] <ioria> back in 20min
[15:27] <prophecy04> Hello everyone.  I have name ideas for code releases of future ubuntu versions
[15:27] <prophecy04> anyone interested?
[15:29] <Bashing-om> prophecy04: That ^ subject belongs in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel :)
[15:30] <beer_>
[15:34] <BluesKaj> parak0vsky, pulseaudio has an eq app in the repos, but I'm not sure whether it has midi output control
[15:35] <parak0vsky> installed eq
[15:36] <parak0vsky> gonna try to find the way around that
[15:36] <dbenson> ioria, uname output:  Linux dbenson-ws 5.0.0-13-lowlatency #14-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 15 15:37:57 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:37] <dbenson> ioria, after upgrade the system looks good... thank you for saving me from a reinstall.  i see you are away, i have to head to work but hopefully you'll see this when you return.  thank you again, cheers!
[16:03] <gvvg_> Hi - I just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 and I'm trying to get php working with apache - I've followed a few sites and I still can't get apache to use php - it always shows the source code - any suggestions?
[16:06] <OerHeks> maybe you need libapache2-mod-php
[16:06] <gvvg_> ii  libapache2-mod-php                    1:7.2+60ubuntu1                            all          server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module) (default)
[16:06] <gvvg_> ii  libapache2-mod-php7.2                 7.2.19-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                    amd64        server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module)
[16:06] <gvvg_> OerHeks: could there be a conflict?
[16:07] <OerHeks> are those both installed?
[16:07] <OerHeks> what guide do you follow?
[16:08] <gvvg_> first it was an upgrade then I follwed the guid to install php7.2 so maybe 7.0 was already installed
[16:08] <gvvg_> do I need to uninstall?
[16:09] <OerHeks> not sure about this, i guess you need the 7.2 version
[16:23] <gvvg_> can you suggest a good link to install php7.2?
[16:23] <gvvg_> for use with apache2 under ubuntu 18.04
[16:33] <potatoe_> I've a weird issue - I can't connect to 80 and 443. iptables is flushed, hw firewalls are turned off. listening on any other port works, just not on those two
[16:34] <potatoe_> no processes are listening on those acc to netstat, and I can listen on them using nc -l 80 for example
[16:34] <potatoe_> but I can't connect to it from another host, packets are getting through though (tcpdump)
[16:34] <potatoe_> anyone knows whats up?
[16:53] <stoiss> Hi everyone. Im having a problem. I have a webserver that have its data folder on a usb mounted harddrive. However if i reboot the ubuntu the webserver wont work unless i click the harddrive to acess it
[16:54] <stoiss> it almost seems like its not actually mounting until ive manually entered the mount once. But it sits there in my thunar ( xfce4 ) just fine so it is mounted.
[17:00] <peq> stoiss: you'd need to add the drive to /etc/fstab for it to be automatically mounted.
[17:04] <stoiss> peq,  well it is added. thats the problem i think
[17:05] <stoiss> here is is /dev/disk/by-label/Lager /media/Lager auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,noauto,x-gvfs-show,rw 0 0
[17:07] <EriC^^> stoiss: noauto is in the options, which means it wont automount
[17:07] <stoiss> EriC^^, so you mean i should add the noauto so it doesnt automount but just mounts ?
[17:07] <stoiss> ah i see it now. i have auto and noauto
[17:08] <stoiss> allright ill try a reboot and see if that works
[17:08] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:11] <gagan662> Hi, I have a situation where i want all of my traffic from linux box to be forwarded to mac machine.
[17:11] <gagan662> I'm not able to implement this scenario with IPtables.
[17:12] <stoiss> Well holy fstab. it worked. Thanks EriC^^
[17:12] <gagan662> could someone please advise .
[17:13] <stoiss> gagan662, wouldnt that just be setting your macs Ip as the gateway ?
[17:15] <EriC^^> no problem stoiss
[17:15] <gagan662> Let me give it a try. ip route add default via <mac ip> ?
[17:16] <gagan662> stoiss: ^^
[17:16] <stoiss> gagan662,  well to send all your data by default to the mac youd need to set the route to that ip as default. which is what a gateway is
[17:18] <stoiss> urgh. doing a remote upgrade is always a gamble
[17:24] <boblamont> in Lubuntu, with pcman fm, you can do right-click, open with... and then add a custom command line. Is there a way to permanently add that custom command to the context menu for that type of file? (in this case, I want to have "file-roller -h %f" an option for archives)
[17:26] <ioria> boblamont, you can create a paraller file-roller2.desktop , modify the Exec line; add it to the context menu
[17:27] <boblamont> ioria: ok, thanks!
[17:27] <ioria> ok
[17:35] <boblamont> ioria: the original has %U as a parameter,  should I keep that ("file-roller -h %f %U") or just use ("file-roller -h %f")? From what I can tell, the %U allows it to open multiple files at once, but I don't know if that will work when creating the directory with the name of the file... should I use %u and limit it to a single file to be on the safe side?
[17:36] <KunaPrime> hello is teher a way how to remap ctrl+, to ctrl+[
[17:37] <ioria> boblamont, sy, don't remember; just try the variables
[17:37] <KunaPrime> preferably using something robust and WM independent
[17:37] <boblamont> ok. I'll see if %U can handle multiples
[17:37] <ioria> boblamont, but if you set the worng one, it won't show up in the context menu picker
[17:38] <boblamont> ioria: that's good, right? then I'll know not to use that one?
[17:38] <ioria> yes
[17:39] <ioria> boblamont, i'd try with '%f'
[17:41] <kyle__> I seem to have developed a slight case of stupid today.  Moving my install to a new drive: for luks+efi that should be a small vfat partition and a whatever partition encrypted with cryptsetup luksformat, and then a grub install to the efi partition.  Right?
[17:47] <boblamont> I tried file-roller -h %f, file-roller -h %f %U and file-roller -h %f %u ... the first one opened stacked extracting progress windows, the second did it in sequence but created duplicate ghost directories that wouldn't open and vanish when refreshing the window and the third sequentially extracted each file into a directory with it's name... so it looks like I want %u
[17:48] <ioria> probably
[17:49] <boblamont> easy enough to change if I see any bad behavior. thanks for the help! it's so nice not to have to find all the extracted files and put them back into a directory after the fact
[17:49] <ioria> no problem
[17:51] <santosh> What is zsh equivalent of bash's vlc ~/Videos/*{mkv,mp4,mov}*
[17:53] <santosh> Anybody?
[17:54] <kyle__> santosh: zsh's globbing?
[17:55] <santosh> kyle__, yes, how to do it?
[17:55] <kyle__> I have no idea, I don't use it enough.  I thought itwas kinda similar though.
[17:55] <santosh> I thought the same until today.
[17:56] <kyle__> Yeah, I thought it was nearly identical as well.  Humm.
[17:56] <kyle__> http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/Release/Expansion.html
[17:56] <kyle__> That might help, but it's not going to be quick to get through.
[17:57] <kyle__> Right at the very bottom it might have something helpful though..
[18:00] <gagan662> stoiss: it did not work. I deleted the default first then added mac as my gw.
[18:00] <santosh> It will be *(mkv|mp4|mov)* kyle__
[18:01] <kyle__> Heh.  With a bad font that would be nearly indistinguishable at a glance.
[18:03] <gagan662> stoiss: fyi MAC has ip forwarding enabled
[18:38] <josean66_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:40] <josean66_> for enigma 2
[18:40] <OerHeks> josean66_, how is that related to ubuntu support?
[18:43] <ChadTaljaardt> Hello, I am trying to mount my hackintosh efi but im getting the error : mount media/newhd: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/nvme1n1, missing codepage or helper program or other error.
[18:43] <ChadTaljaardt> any advice on how i can mount this drive?
[18:45] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: what command are you running?
[18:45] <ChadTaljaardt> sudo mount /dev/nvme1n1 /media/newhd
[18:45] <ChadTaljaardt> EriC^^ i just need to mount the EFI of the drive
[18:48] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: ya
[18:48] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: type "sudo parted -ls" and paste please
[18:48] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: why are you trying to mount it btw?
[18:49] <ChadTaljaardt> i have a issue with my hackintosh and i need to edit the config of the clover installation, but i dont have a way to do it other than mounting the drive and editing it with this pc
[18:50] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: ah, gotcha
[18:51] <ChadTaljaardt> is there a way i can export the result of terminal to a gist?
[18:51] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:51] <EriC^^> it should give you a link back
[18:51] <ChadTaljaardt> http://termbin.com/w4qt
[18:53] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: type sudo mount /dev/nvme1n1p1 /media...
[18:54] <ChadTaljaardt> woo it works, thanks EriC^^
[18:54] <ChadTaljaardt> so the issue was that i didnt specify the partition to mount?
[18:54] <EriC^^> ChadTaljaardt: no problem, yeah
[19:01] <maikel91> hi?
[19:01] <maikel91> somebody?
[19:04] <SudiptoGhosh> Hey, I am noticing something really odd and annoying to the point I'm frustrated. TL;DR Debian is adding -linux to filenames and the original file becomes corrupted. This happens most often when editing c++ files. Any bug or something?
[19:07] <EriC^^> corrupted?
[19:07] <EriC^^> SudiptoGhosh:
[19:08] <SudiptoGhosh> 0EriC^^ like main.cpp becomes main-linux.cpp and the og main.cpp misses changes
[19:08] <SudiptoGhosh> happens with vim, vscode, gedit
[19:09] <choice> Reminds me of the 500 miles email.
[19:13] <ioria> SudiptoGhosh, never heard; please some details about your system config
[19:46] <black_13> how do I install pyside2 on ubunut 18.04
[19:47] <black_13> done
[19:47] <black_13> pip install PySide2
[20:03] <black_13> http://codepad.org/1An67meq
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> black_13: maybe more a question for #python ?
[20:04] <black_13> i tried
[20:06] <EriC^^> seems a bad internet black_13
[20:06] <EriC^^> connection reset by peer
[21:20] <Betal> there is a list somewhere with the release iso and kernel version that is comes with?
[21:21] <jeremy31> Betal: have you searched?
[21:24] <Betal> jeremy31: yes, I didn't find the dif between 16.04, .1, .2, ..., .5, the release notes just points agains bugs or things related
[21:32] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/18.04.3 give updated packages indeed, but
[21:33] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes is updated
[21:35] <OerHeks> info about current kernels https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[22:01] <Betal> OerHeks: iam testing 16.04.5, it comes with 4.15.0, but in the lauchpad says Xenial is 4.4.0. is this release using bionic kernel?
[22:02] <raidghost> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 138a:003f Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS495 Fingerprint Reader (ISnt it suppose to work on 18.04.3) ?
[22:03] <Bashing-om> !hwe | Betal
[22:04] <OerHeks> if you had upgraded from 16.04.0 to .5, you would have 4.4, now you have HWE enabled 16.04.5
[22:04] <OerHeks> that gives the backported bionic kernel indeed, afaik
[22:06] <OerHeks> raidghost, is 138a:003f in the list on https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui + https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html  ???
[22:06] <OerHeks> nope
[22:07] <OerHeks> oh, promissing.. https://askubuntu.com/questions/856150/using-fingerprint-reader-for-hp-probook-138a003f-validity-sensors
[22:08] <ODM0228> Can anyone recommend a good channel for computing college students interested in programming?
[22:09] <OerHeks> !alis
[22:09] <OerHeks> ##programming is a good start
[22:10] <ODM0228> Much obliged!
[22:19] <GrandPa-G> I am running iftop. I see a number of ip/domains I don't recognize. How do I find out what they are connected to and why?
[22:40] <SirKK> Hello, need help
[22:41] <guntbert> !nickspam > nubcake
[22:41] <SirKK> Anyone knows whats wrong with this command:
[22:41] <SirKK> ['pstoedit', '-nb', '-dt', '-f', '/home/mrcoffee/autokey3d/branding/branding.eps', '/home/mrcoffee/autokey3d/branding/branding.dxf']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[22:41] <SirKK> Why is it not working?
[22:42] <guntbert> SirKK: what are your trying to do?
[22:43] <SirKK> Its a program called autokey3d
[22:43] <SirKK> https://github.com/choller/autokey3d
[22:43] <SirKK> When i run the program i get this error, aparently checking the script, the source of the error is that line
[22:44] <SirKK> If i delete the line the program runs but it doesent render the object..
[22:44] <guntbert> SirKK: in that case you should first ask the author
[22:44] <SirKK> I mailed him
[22:45] <SirKK> Thats the program/command that errors: http://www.calvina.de/pstoedit/
[22:45] <SirKK> When going from svg to dxf
[22:46] <Habbie> most programs tell you why, when they error
[22:46] <Habbie> is pstoedit not telling you?
[22:47] <SirKK> Ill pastebin it
[22:47] <SirKK> https://pastebin.com/A0WxAxF4
[22:48] <Habbie> stderr=DEVNULL
[22:48] <Habbie> might be the reason you don't see anything
[22:49] <SirKK> What does it mean?
[22:49] <SirKK> Should I try and delete that bit?
[22:50] <Habbie> yes
[22:50] <Habbie> including the comma just before it
[22:51] <SirKK> I tried, it still errors, just gives more information i think..
[22:51] <Habbie> oh yes
[22:51] <Habbie> i would never expected that to have fixed it
[22:51] <Habbie> this was about getting information
[22:52] <SirKK> Ok..
[22:52] <SirKK> https://pastebin.com/hfDxdd3C
[22:53] <Habbie> if i have to guess, /home/mrcoffee/autokey3d/branding/branding.eps is not a valid EPS file
[22:53] <OerHeks> https://github.com/autokey/autokey is the official github
[22:53] <Habbie> and ghostscript, which is used by pstoedit, is therefore failing to process it
[22:54] <SirKK> OerHeks, they are different programs
[22:54] <coz_> SirKK, I came in late, but out of curiosity, how are you starting autokey3d?
[22:54] <OerHeks> oops
[22:55] <SirKK> Thats the command i use:
[22:55] <SirKK> python AutoKey.py --bumpkey --profile profiles/AB-AB95.svg --definition definitions/AB-E20.scad
[22:56] <SirKK> What pstoedit is doing is going from template.svg to actual.svg to file.eps to file.dxf , but it comes out of that process with the error..
[22:56] <coz_> SirKK, ok, wow, I am not on ubuntu right now, but on Fedora I simply  did a python Autokey3d.py no errors but no UI either
[22:57] <SirKK> Thats right the command without arguments goes fine for me too
[22:57] <coz_> SirKK, is there suppose to be a UI?
[22:58] <SirKK> When it goes fine it opens openSCAD
[22:58] <coz_> ah ok
[22:58] <coz_> let me install openscad and see
[22:59] <coz_> SirKK, nope no UI
[23:00] <SirKK> If i delete the polyaslines, openscad starts but the key has no blade then..
[23:01] <coz_> SirKK, as mentioned, I would speak with the developer on this
[23:01] <SirKK> Yea I mailed hime, but i am impatient lulz..
[23:02] <coz_> SirKK, I somehow think he can fix the issue, and apprentely not an ubuntu specific issur
[23:02] <SirKK> Cuz i spent the last 24 hours building a new profile and parameters for a new key, and when i finally get to run the program i find its bugged lulz
[23:02] <VitoG> hello
[23:02] <SirKK> pstoedit is givving the error
[23:03] <coz_> SirKK, not an unusual problem
[23:03] <VitoG> does ubuntu work well for stock trading and finance?
[23:03] <VitoG> which os and distro is best
[23:03] <coz_> I don't see why not
[23:03] <VitoG> hmm
[23:04] <coz_> VitoG, are you trying different distros roght now?
[23:04] <coz_> right
[23:04] <coz_> VitoG, I certainly can not speak to that specific thing
[23:04] <VitoG> coz well im looking at a new laptop with zen+ or zen 2
[23:04] <coz_> ah ok
[23:05] <VitoG> and i would dual boot an os with windows
[23:05] <VitoG> or use vm
[23:05] <coz_> VitoG, ok, well you might be better off asking in several channels #fedora, #opensuse, and here
[23:06] <coz_> VitoG, maybe someone in one of those channels can speak to this senario
[23:06] <VitoG> ok
[23:13] <Betal> does xubuntu use the exact same kernel than ubuntu?
[23:15] <OerHeks> yes
[23:23] <Towser> Ok so I have Ubuntu installed but the disk partition was recently expanded and Ubuntu doesn't detect it's any bigger, is there a way to fix this or do I have to reinstall?
[23:32] <fructose> Towser: I'd run gparted to make sure what you think is going on is what is really going on
[23:43] <neoromantique> Hi guys, I have an issue with upower
[23:44] <neoromantique> I have it uninstalled but my laptop still shuts down sometimes at 50% bat (Previously uninstalling upower fixed it until updates brought it back)
[23:45] <neoromantique> I nvm I have fixed it, it was installed as upower:i386
[23:45] <Towser> How do I get rid of the key on gparted to I can resize my partition?
[23:46] <Habbie> Towser, the key?
[23:47] <Towser> Habbie the one next the the partition when it's locked
[23:47] <Habbie> oh https://askubuntu.com/questions/473478/gparted-has-a-little-key-icon-on-my-ubuntu-partition-so-i-can-not-resize-it
[23:47] <Night_Elf> Towser: Is it still mounted? 'umount' it first
[23:48] <de-facto> any stunnel users awake? I would like to specify for a client the ALPN for the SSL Handshake with the server
[23:49] <Night_Elf> Towser: Check this one here too.  https://serverfault.com/questions/509468/how-to-extend-an-ext4-partition-and-filesystem
[23:50] <Night_Elf> Basically. after resizing the partition, you need to extend the filesystem too, to 'map' the free space to the inode table and all the rest of the structures.
[23:55] <Towser> Ok how much space do you recommend giving it? Bear in mind it might have chromium is built over the top
[23:57] <Towser> Right now there's about 30gb total I believe


[00:00] <silverarrow> opens browser and discovers it is possible to open gnome mplay by double finger clicking on black totem window
[00:00] <silverarrow> sorry, I don`t know what the sytem does if it doesn`t tell me
[00:07] <silverarrow> hey,  why is the daily iso too large for cd?
[00:42] <silverarrow> ubuntu wil not boot at all
[00:47] <silverarrow> I think ubuntu should boot though?
[00:47] <silverarrow> what are minimal specs for ubuntu?
[00:48] <silverarrow> 1GHz cpu 1GB RAM ?
[00:51] <silverarrow> that is mee on xchat
[00:57] <taoseeker> there is no way about the graphics xorg bug in Ubuntu for ppc?
[00:58] <taoseeker> and not fixed for the daily build
[00:58] <taoseeker> no live desktop environment
[01:00] <taoseeker> I should be able to run ubuntu on the ibook
[01:00] <taoseeker> fine
[01:00] <taoseeker> maybe not as snappy as lubuntu but should run
[01:00] <taoseeker> who is testing for ubuntu and ppc?
[01:07] <silverarrow> where is the xorg bugreport again?
[01:23] <silverarrow>  there is definitely a bug with latest Ubuntu daily ppc i
[01:23] <silverarrow> xorg, graphics something
[01:26] <kanliot> lol i was searching for pcp
[01:27] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1046951
[01:27] <kanliot> and
[01:27] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1046619
[01:28] <kanliot> silverarrow please join the lubuntu-qa mailing list
[01:28] <kanliot> just  suggestion
[01:32] <silverarrow> I`m on it
[01:33] <silverarrow> I`m about to check my email
[02:33] <taoseeker> unfortunately no improvement on the daily build
[02:33] <taoseeker> xorg or installer do not work
[02:33] <taoseeker> I lean towards xorg too now
[05:13] <kanliot> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-September/035887.html
[05:13] <kanliot> ^ we might be having grub 2.0 put into Ubuntu for 12.10
[05:13]  * kanliot can't figure out why
[09:57] <silverarrow> hi
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Hi silverarrow
[09:58] <silverarrow> have you manged any testing lately?
[09:59] <smartboyhw> silverarrow: No been busying after Beta 1 on writing documentations and accomplishments and Ubuntu GNOME remix
[10:00] <silverarrow> sounds like a lot
[10:00] <silverarrow> I still struggle booting the dailys even
[10:00] <silverarrow> non of the regular fixes work
[10:01] <silverarrow> might be xorg resisting cooperationj
[10:23] <silverarrow> are there any news on the latest updates and dailies?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> silverarrow: What news? I don't understanf
[10:24] <silverarrow> I think most of installer fix for ppc
[10:24] <silverarrow> which might be major xorg work
[10:44] <silverarrow> as long as it isn't a silverback
[10:44] <smartboyhw> lol
[11:00] <smartboyhw> kanliot: You here?
[14:34] <davmor2> balloons: is it just me or when using the Nouveau driver is the highlight around buttons God awful
[14:41] <balloons> davmor2, not sure anymore
[14:41] <balloons> I'm using the open amd drivers this cycle
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Yep amd drivers here also
[14:42] <balloons> I did use nouveau last cycle.. I don't remember that issue.. For me, the nouveau driver was SO much nicer for the desktop than nvidia at the time
[14:42] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:42] <balloons> vterm switching took forever
[14:43] <balloons> no 3d though of course :-)
[14:45] <davmor2> balloons: I'll take some screenshots another time but I need the nvidia binaries in place for testing the CA apps currently
[14:48] <balloons> ahh
[15:33] <phillw> balloons: ping
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Oh oh
[15:42] <balloons> phillw, pong
[15:42]  * smartboyhw watches the conversation carefully
[15:43] <phillw> balloons: Dave replied back re: new grub, apart from also expressing suprise at not being informed, he is happy to help out if someone cares to give him a poke<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(or drs305 on the ubuntu forum).
[15:45] <smartboyhw> I like the new grub
[15:45] <balloons> phillw, did you send him colin's request?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Well what happened to drs305?
[15:46] <phillw> I can forward the one from you?
[15:47] <balloons> phillw, yes please
[15:47] <balloons> cc me also if you don't mind.. So I have an intro
[15:47] <balloons> and then I'll say hello as well
[15:47] <smartboyhw> cc me too please:)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> I want to have a look at it:)
[15:48] <balloons> lol
[15:48] <balloons> you want to test grub smartboyhw?
[15:48] <balloons> are you comfortable recovering your broken system?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> balloons: I already installed grub2
[15:48] <smartboyhw> And it's fine now:)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Fast too
[15:48] <balloons> do you know how to recover your system if it didn't work?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Yes:)
[15:49] <balloons> smartboyhw, ahh then, well, your all set
[15:49] <smartboyhw> I did take a look at the recover guides;)
[15:49] <phillw> email sent.
[15:49] <smartboyhw> OK got it
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Ah it is actually that one
[15:49] <smartboyhw> i received it in lubuntu-qa list
[15:51] <phillw> smartboyhw: yup, I cc'd the guys there asking for volunteers :)
[15:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, yep.. did you report to colin?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> ;D
[15:57] <smartboyhw> No I didn't
[16:17]  * balloons is having fun with moinmoin wiki again
[16:23] <balloons> fixed the silliness on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:48] <balloons> is anyone about who's running quantal?
[18:49] <balloons> I have a request to confirm a rather bizarre bug.. Should take about 5 mins of your time.. And no kittens should be harmed :-)
[18:57] <elfy> if it's not ubuntu specific then shout balloons
[18:57] <balloons> elfy, no it's not
[18:57] <elfy> then what is it :)
[18:57] <balloons> elfy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12236850#post12236850
[18:57] <balloons> read my first and third posts.. basically, taking a screenshot after running a wine program doesn't work
[18:58] <balloons> the screenshot will show the older screenshot
[18:58] <balloons> recording your screen after running wine via kazaam or ffmpeg is the same
[18:58] <balloons> you only get the single still image from the first screenshot you took before running the wine program
[18:58] <balloons> it's really odd
[18:58] <elfy> mmm - so I'd have to pollute my xubuntu experience with wine and some ms app
[18:59] <balloons> mm.. you would have to install wine
[18:59] <balloons> but you could run the built in notepad
[18:59] <balloons> sorry elfy ;-)
[18:59] <elfy> oh ok
[18:59] <balloons> no wories if you'd rather not
[18:59] <elfy> After this operation, 526 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[18:59] <elfy> wut !!!
[19:00] <balloons> whoa
[19:00] <elfy> After this operation, 263 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:00] <elfy> with no-install-recommends ...
[19:00] <elfy> I think I'd rather not lol
[19:01] <elfy> don't remember wine wanting to do that before
[19:03] <elfy> that is a lot of stuff to get wine - http://pastebin.com/Q8rn95dr
[19:03] <balloons> wow.. I'd agree
[19:03] <balloons> I normally keep myself wine free, but I was messing around the other day with an app I guess
[19:04] <balloons> trying to recreate the problem and thinking what on earth left me snapshotted in time, I thought about the wine program.. and boom, sure enough
[19:10] <elfy> certainly a strange one
[19:11] <elfy> so - all in all might be best to get someone with wine already - but if you can't then I'll do it in a test setup over weekend when I do some daily tests
[19:13] <elfy> balloons: hang on - I'll boot my ubuntu test and do it in there
[19:18] <elfy> balloons: ok - it's installing now
[20:03] <phillw> balloons: is grub 2 on ALL spins across all flavours and architectures as of today?
[20:03] <balloons> phillw, no
[20:03] <balloons> it's nowhere as of yet
[20:04] <phillw> I'm sure i saw that hit QQ today, from somehwere?
[20:04] <balloons> yes.. but not the images to my knowledge
[20:04] <balloons> it came in late in the day
[20:04] <balloons> it should be there tomorrow
[20:04] <phillw> balloons: so it will be on EVERYTHING tomorrow respin?
[20:06] <balloons> assuming all the packages build.. for instance.. ppc failed
[20:06] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2
[20:06] <phillw> ARM / PPC/ AMD-MAC / i686 / AMD64 / Server etc. etc.  ubuntu / kubuntu / lubuntu etc....
[20:07] <balloons> amd64, i386, ppc
[20:07] <balloons> all flavours
[20:07] <balloons> no arm.. grub-efi isn't cahanging
[20:08] <balloons> we'd have to ask cjwatson for specifics
[20:09] <phillw> balloons: just thinking that it may be nice to ask elfy to put a sticky onto http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=416 so they all know what is going on (I'd suggest also that you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2056701 ) And also issue an email to the 'main' QA and L-QA with details from Colin, you know... just so the testers have a slight idea of such a massive change? :P
[20:09] <wxl> wish i could get stupid usb install working for ppc cuz i have another machine to play with potentially
[20:09] <wxl> (ppc)
[20:10] <balloons> :-)
[20:10] <balloons> phillw, yes, bien sir
[20:10] <balloons> the sticky on the forums isn't a bad idea actually
[20:10] <elfy> balloons phillw: someone write it and I'll sticky it
[20:10] <balloons> I'll be putting it on the anounce of the tracker
[20:11] <phillw> wxl: the last person I knew who had it working was Lars, but he has already said that he has pretty much given up & uses dvd-RW now. I know that this is of no use to you guys with a cd reader and not a dvd reader in your ppc :(
[20:12] <wxl> phillw: well my big issue is probably more laziness and cheapskateness more than anything. i need to get a cdrw
[20:12] <elfy> or cariboo will phillw balloons
[20:12] <phillw> balloons: one thing I have learned is that testers do not like being treated as mushrooms :D
[20:13] <balloons> who does? :-)
[20:13] <balloons> I wasn't expecting it to go in until next week
[20:13] <wxl> maybe if they're really tasty mushrooms
[20:13] <phillw> wxl: this one is... a totally new grub that can screw your system :P
[20:14] <phillw> the forum guys have already picked up on it :)
[20:15] <phillw> wxl: how did you dd to the usb ?
[20:15] <phillw> brb... nicotine enhancement needed
[20:16] <wxl> dd if=whatever-it's-called.iso of=/dev/whereever-the-usb-is
[20:16] <wxl> kind of can't screw up dd
[20:16] <wxl> ↑ phillw
[20:17] <elfy> balloons: if there is a thread that needs stickying then PM me on forum - but I'm off now
[20:17] <balloons> elfy, cheers
[20:17] <balloons> I will ty
[20:20] <phillw> wxl: have you tried with setting the bs ?
[20:20] <wxl> phillw: hm?
[20:21] <phillw> back in the dim and distant past, before lubuntu had a self check, we used a bs of 2048 when reading the cd.
[20:21] <phillw> wxl: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=94
[20:21] <phillw> that is my old archive area that held stuff before we were adopted :)
[20:22] <wxl> not sure that's relevant to usb tho, da?
[20:23] <phillw> wxl: as it was piping output, there would have been  a reason for it. Although it may have been that reading a CD 1 byte at a time was excrutialiting slow. just an idea to try, as it did get md5sum to be happy.
[20:24] <phillw> calculating the count is an easy sum to do,
[20:25] <wxl> whoa improvements to virtualbox for you non-qemu users http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/virtualbox-420-released-with-support.html
[20:25] <wxl> anywho i didn't check the md5 so i guess i should start there but i have had probelms with usb in the past. i want it to work so darn bad. i should just give it up.
[20:26] <phillw> wxl: checking the md5 is always one of the easiest things to forget :)
[20:26] <wxl> like i said i didn't forget it XD
[20:27] <phillw> wxl: as elfy said earlier .... take a tip from an old man - you didn't forget - you forgot to remember
[20:27] <phillw> I love that statement :D
[20:29] <wxl> well, i chose to forget. :)
[20:31] <phillw> nice about VirtualBox, I have the choice of that and kvm on piglet. Main server runs kvm, but my slow internet link means setting up VM's on a fast system are negated as I only have ~ 512 kb/s link :( One of the guys on a good link says that whilst he knows he is on a remote system, the graphical stuff runs with little lag..... Damn, to have a decent b/band link :'(
[20:32] <wxl> i've had happiness with headless vboxes and in general been really pleased
[20:34] <phillw> wxl: the sii server runs a couple of VM's for F/OSS teams, they are delighted with them. If anyone from L-QA wants a ppc VM set up I will happily do it (I even have one spare ipV4 address at present).
[20:35] <phillw> I bought a few, as they are getting rarer than hens teeth :D
[20:35] <wxl> hmmmmmm sounds like a good idea although esp with ppc it seems nothing beats real hardware
[20:36] <phillw> wxl: this seems to be the case with the latest bugs :(
[20:36] <wxl> maybe vbox offers better options for virtualizing display
[20:37] <wxl> not sure if it even supports ppc
[20:37] <wxl> never tried
[20:37] <phillw> does vbox support quemu ?
[20:38] <phillw> as in, the instructions Julien posted up on the ppc area?
[20:38] <wxl> not sure
[20:40] <phillw> one way to find out :P  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#How_to_test_on_any_architectures_.28using_qemu.29
[20:43] <phillw> virtual box is not an emulator ... quite clear
[20:49] <wxl> sudo wget 'https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MATLAB?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=matlab-r2011a.desktop' -O /usr/local/share/applications/matlab.desktop
[20:49] <wxl> oops
[20:49] <wxl> sorry wrong channel
[20:50] <phillw> wxl: no worries, it happens to us all :D
[20:53] <xnox> Hmmm...
[20:53] <xnox> wxl: use python-scipy or scilab
[20:54] <xnox> wxl: faster, better graphics and better integration with e.g. LaTeX
[23:37] <wxl> so in my desperate attempt to get my 12.04 ppc updated to quantal i tried a sudo do-release-upgrade -d and it told me no new version found. any ideas what the deal is?
[23:38] <wxl> honestly i don't know how it works; if it's looking for alphas, betas, rcs, dailies, or any of the above. i'm thinking that the fact that the beta1 failed and/or that recent daily builds are failing may be why??
[23:56] <wxl> is dd if=/dev/usb bs=2048 count=(iso size/2048) | md5sum not a realiable way to get md5sum on a usb drive? i dd'd the iso over there and the iso matches with published values.


[09:04]  * MacSlow -> errand
[18:09] <davidbarth> DBO: ping?
[18:51] <DBO> davidbarth, pong
[18:51] <DBO> ah 14 minutes, I was close :P
[18:56] <DBO> davidbarth, so the idea is to auto-unlock the keyring on UNR?
[18:59] <DBO> I mean the easiest fix is to default to the keyring having no password
[18:59] <DBO> I think loic mentions that in the bug
[19:05] <ScottK> Why bother with a keyring at all then?
[19:06] <ScottK> Isn't the point for it to have a password?
[19:06] <DBO> well you are talking about a situation where the user turns on the computer and it logs in for them
[19:06] <DBO> so indeed, why have a user password at all?
[19:07] <DBO> I am not suggesting this is secure. I am however suggesting that there is a conflict between usability and security here
[19:07] <DBO> and we already fell on the end of usability, we may as well take it all the way and at least get that right
[19:09] <DBO> it would be more useful to keep it encrypted but automagically unlock the keyring on an automatic login
[19:10] <DBO> maybe if we get NM to use a non-default keyring, we can have that get unlocked by default
[19:11] <DBO> or simpler still, just have that one have no password (always unlocked) and yes that presents a small issue, but not nearly the size of what I suggested above
[19:29] <proppy> DBO: I  set no password to my keyring, for skipping the dialog on wifi connection
[19:29] <DBO> proppy, I would bet 50% of affected users do that
[19:29] <proppy> IIRC
[19:59] <davidbarth> DBO: no (stop the flamefest ;) the idea is to adjust window Z order to let the keyring be revealed
[19:59] <DBO> huh?
[19:59] <DBO> okay I missed something
[19:59] <DBO> are we reading the same bug?