[16:39] <dr_willis> depending on your needs. You may just want a different window manager.
[16:39] <BlueG> dr_willis: any suggestions? What package should I try installing?
[16:39] <BlueG> like xdm or gdm as opposed to kdm?
[16:39] <dr_willis> those are just login managers.. not desktops
[16:40] <BlueG> oh, I guess kwin is the window manager
[16:40] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop   for the 'xfce' desktop,,, ubuntu-desktop for gnome
[16:40] <dr_willis> window managers... fluxbox, jwm, icewm,  openbox, are all popular
[16:41] <dr_willis> alternative file managers - rox-filer, thunar,  gentoo,
[16:41] <dr_willis> I tend to use jwm + rox-filer on my low end systems :) or my high end systems wheni want somthing quick
[16:46] <Skefv> so there are no other application for wlansurfing?
[16:47]  * dr_willis isent sure what   wlansurfing    is.
[16:48] <slow-motion> hi
[16:48] <Skefv> i meant
[16:48] <Skefv> An application to scan for wlan and connect to wlan
[16:49] <Skefv> Knetworkmanager doesn't really fit me :p
[16:49] <dr_willis> I tend to use gnome. :)
[16:49] <Skefv> Oh.
[16:49] <dr_willis> Tsting out EEEbuntu on my AcerAspireOne at the moment
[16:50] <HappySmileMan> Anyone know if there are KDevelop packages for Kubuntu yet?
[16:50] <HappySmileMan> (KDevelop4 that is)
[16:50] <Skefv> dr_willis, i got eeebuntu with kde installed
[16:51] <Skefv> on my eeepc :)
[16:51] <dr_willis> I wonder why they made their own launcher.. instead of using Matchbox for the desktop.. but i guesss 'matchbox' is tooweird of a Desktop for most peoples needs.
[16:51] <dr_willis> !info matchbox
[16:52] <Skefv> :o
[17:22] <biagidp> I've got two monitors working in 8.10 using xinerama, but my second monitor doesn't show a desktop background and the application on that screen dont show on the taskbar.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[17:26] <sehven> guys i placed "." before a file name
[17:26] <sehven> how can i access it?
[17:28] <sehven> found it ^^
[17:33] <DaSkreech> sehven: Welome to Unix :)
[17:34] <jezza1> One problem with it thoujgh DaS.  DOENS RUN WOW VERY WELL lol
[17:34] <sehven> thx das
[17:34] <DaSkreech> jezza1: Sounds like a problem with WOW :)
[17:35] <DaSkreech> opensource WOW and in 6 months it will get sorted
[17:35]  * DaSkreech waves at secondlife
[17:35] <sehven> hehe
[17:35] <jezza1> naw works on my windows partition. just not my Kubuntu or my ubuntu
[17:35] <sehven> can konversation fileserve?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> Fileserve ?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> You mean transfer files? Or act as a permanent server ?
[17:36] <sehven> yea like mirc+omen+autoget thing
[17:36] <sehven> perma server
[17:36] <DaSkreech> 	/me shrugs
[17:36]  * sehven always gets my music from irc
[17:37] <awry> hey everybody
[17:37] <awry> anyone have any tips for downgrading bluez on intrepid?
[17:38] <awry> i believe i need to compile bluez3 from source, then recompile whatever package(s) contain solid, correct?
[17:38] <awry> which would be one or more kdebase-* packages?
[17:39] <sehven> got prob with audio tho
[17:40] <sehven> no sound comes out from big speaker
[17:40] <awry> anyone know which kdebase-* package(s) need recompiled?
[17:40] <sehven> tho its connected with small speaker, same jack
[17:43] <titanix88> hello! I am having trouble with ekiga. Can anyone help?
[17:43] <DaSkreech> awry: For bluetooth?
[17:44] <titanix88> It looks like I cannot register. Im sure I got right username and password.
[17:44] <titanix88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/102256/
[17:44] <g_> my firefox just became broken lastnight after a kubuntu nightly update with kde 4.2 beta 2
[17:44] <g_> anyone else experience this?
[17:44] <g_> all of my bookmarks are no longer visible
[17:45] <DaSkreech> g_: Hmm ?
[17:45] <awry> DaSkreech: yes, for bluetooth/solid
[17:45] <DaSkreech> awry: What version of KDE ?
[17:45] <awry> my understanding is bluetooth is integrated into solid
[17:45] <awry> DaSkreech: 4.2b2
[17:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[17:45] <DaSkreech> ok
[17:45] <DaSkreech> #kde or #solid
[17:45] <g_> Daschreech and my homepage was reset to this mozilla.org page
[17:46] <ubuntu> ah, kohomada kattiya?
[17:46] <ubuntu> baratama chat wage ne?
[17:46] <DaSkreech> KDE doesnt have anything to do with Firefox so I'm not sure unless your profile changed
[17:46] <awry> DaSkreech: it's a (k)ubuntu packaging question more than a kde/solid question
[17:46] <awry> e.g., which ubuntu package contains solid?
[17:46] <ubuntu> magulak katha karanawa
[17:46] <DaSkreech> !ph
[17:47] <DaSkreech> I think
[17:47] <ubuntu> oi, umbalata mawa penne nadda?
[17:47] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: taglog ?
[17:47] <ubuntu> cant u see me?
[17:47] <g_> daschreech well my homepage is still set to google in my preferences in firefox but it sends me to mozilla.org so that's pretty weird it happened after lastnights updates
[17:47] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Yes but I dont know which language
[17:48] <ubuntu> ah... sorry its..
[17:48] <DaSkreech> g_: Check your profiles
[17:48] <ubuntu> kamak nadda?
[17:48] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Which country? :)
[17:48] <g_> Daschreech how do you check a profile and where is the profile?  kde?
[17:49] <sehven> thats not tagalog
[17:49] <mk> hola a todos!!
[17:49] <DaSkreech> sehven: What is it?
[17:49] <sehven> malaysian i  guess
[17:49] <mk> alguien que me pueda echar una mano??
[17:49] <DaSkreech> mk: hola Espanol?
[17:49] <DaSkreech> !es
[17:49] <ubuntu> ponna rala... mama yanawa... BYe!!!
[17:49] <Guest13294> si DaSkreech
[17:50] <ubuntu> ane pako, mata owa therenne na huthige putho
[17:50] <g_> Daschreech how do you check a profile and where is the profile?  kde?
[17:50] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: bye! Um mama yanawa
[17:50] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Which language?
[17:50] <DaSkreech> !es | Mkel
[17:51] <ubuntu> gon hutho katha karapan English walin
[17:51] <shb> !bluetooth
[17:51] <Mkel> #ubuntu-es
[17:51] <craver_> !narf
[17:52] <ubuntu> mona bluetooth da? ai Wifi nadda umbala gawa? :P
[17:52] <g_> Daschreech how do you check a profile and where is the profile?  kde?
[17:52] <craver_> --ProfileManager
[17:52] <ubuntu> monawada umbala oya kiyawana kunu harupa?
[17:52] <ubuntu> in India ehema nam na
[17:52] <DaSkreech> g_: What craver_said
[17:53] <ubuntu> kawda hutho danne
[17:53] <DaSkreech> Ah
[17:53] <DaSkreech> !in
[17:53] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-in
[17:53] <ubuntu> no no... its not an Indian
[17:53] <craver_> :)
[17:53] <DaSkreech> then it is .... ?
[17:54] <craver_> !zu
[17:54] <ubuntu> its different. I just are there anyone can understand my language, means I checked are there anyone chat in my country
[17:54] <ubuntu> * I just check
[17:54] <g_> Daschreech I dont know what !narf means, I'm not really in the mood for stupid games Im just going to delete it
[17:55] <DaSkreech> g_: What?
[17:55] <DaSkreech> g_: Run firefox from the command line with --ProfileManager
[17:55] <oim> hi everone
[17:55] <ubuntu> hi paka
[17:55] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Ok but you can find a room with people that speak your language
[17:55] <g_> Daschreech I already deleted it Im going to start fresh
[17:56] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: even if someone here spoke then you could not talk here
[17:56] <ubuntu> no I don't, its Kubunto default IRC chat
[17:56] <oim> i want to upgrade amarok to 2 but it is imposible to find the package
[17:56] <DaSkreech> !amarok
[17:57] <DaSkreech> oim: a) it's on www.kubuntu.org b) why do you want to upgrade ?
[17:58] <oim> DaSkreech: to use new version
[17:58] <g_> Daschreech ok Ive reinstalled firefox but its still broken, this sucks
[17:59] <DaSkreech> oim: You know it has less features ?
[17:59] <g_> Daschreech there is no profile to change its just on default
[17:59] <DaSkreech> g_: It's probably using a new profile instead of your old one. Is there a set of directories in ~/.mozilla ?
[17:59] <DaSkreech> g_: That's what I mean it made a new default
[18:00] <oim> DaSkreech:  i know it has more features :)
[18:00] <ek> Hi, all. I have an interesting problem that I can't seem to fix.
[18:01] <ek> I rebooted my Kubuntu 8.04.1 machine today to have it mount all file systems read-only every time I boot.
[18:01] <oim> i do what is writing there http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0. but it is impossible to find package. what is wrong
[18:01] <ek> I've tried running fsck on /dev/sda1 from an install disk and everything reports fine.
[18:02] <ek> I've even removed the errors=remount-ro from the /etc/fstab file and still get a read-only file system every time I boot. Is there something I'm missing?
[18:02] <apow> well, show us dmesg.
[18:03] <g_> Daschreech there's just the default profile in there
[18:04] <g_> Daschreech should i move that profile away from in there?
[18:04] <awry> anybody know what happened to ubuntuforms?
[18:04] <awry> forums, that is
[18:04] <niklauz> is there a way to put more than one irc command on one line?
[18:04] <niklauz>  " ; " maybe?
[18:05] <g_> Daschreech lol this is getting better and better I can't even do a search anymore with firefox in google, it wont let me
[18:06] <ek> apow: http://www.purplehat.org/~ek/dmesg.txt
[18:06] <g_> Daschreech how do you move a file in linux?
[18:06] <g_> Daschreech I cant do a web search to find out how
[18:06] <dstar> Hey, my external LCD monitor is ghosting slightly to the right... is there any change that's an X problem, or is it going to be hardware?
[18:08] <apow> ek: nothing wrong with your dmesg.
[18:08] <apow> well did you try a remount?
[18:08] <apow> mount / -o rw,remount
[18:08] <ek> apow: Yes. The remount works although it still won't fully start.
[18:09] <ek> And, if I reboot, it goes into read-only again.
[18:09] <apow> what do you mean "won't fully start"
[18:09] <ek> apow: Well, if I go into recovery mode and run the remount then go back to "normal boot" or whatnot, I never get an X server anything.
[18:09] <dstar> (I.E., do I need to look at a new monitor/cable?)
[18:10] <ek> apow: My guess is due to /var and such still being read-only.
[18:10] <apow> are you, by any chance, using a hand-compiled kernell?
[18:10] <ek> ... which I can't remount.
[18:10] <apow> oh you cant? why?
[18:11] <ek> apow: No. Nothing like that. The system is 100% default.
[18:11] <apow> ok, and why can't you remount /var
[18:11] <apow> ?
[18:11] <ek> apow: Not sure. The /var partition isn't listen in the /etc/fstab.
[18:11] <apow> oh wait
[18:11] <ek> s/listen/listed/
[18:11] <apow> do you actually have a /var partition?
[18:11] <apow> or is it simply under / ?
[18:11] <ek> Nope. Should be part of /
[18:11] <apow> then /var cannot be ro if / is rw.
[18:12] <apow> run these: touch /testfile; touch /var/testfile
[18:12] <ek> apow: That's what I would think also.
[18:12] <apow> see those files actually get created
[18:12] <apow> after you remount of course.
[18:12]  * Mekzholan looses the K-Menu and other programms (Firefox, Thunderbird) from the controllbar after shutdown and restart. :( Can anybody help me?
[18:13] <ek> Hrm. Seems to work now. That's strange as it wouldn't let me write to /var after a remount earlier.
[18:13] <ek> Now, if I go into "normal boot" everything seems to work okay.
[18:13] <ek> However, I'm wondering if it will choke on the next boot again...
[18:13] <apow> ^
[18:13] <apow> \o/
[18:13] <adams> I have a pcmcia sound card because my onboard card doesnt work, but I cant seem to unmute the pcmcia card. Its an audigy2 z5.  How do I disable the onboard sound driver
[18:13] <apow> try it right now.
[18:13] <ek> apow: I am. One moment...
[18:14] <ek> apow: Right back to read-only...
[18:14] <LazersX> Gah,
[18:15] <LazersX> Kubuntu boots up to a prompt.
[18:15] <LazersX> Help..?
[18:15] <ek> apow: Strange thing is, there was no bad shutdown or anything previous to this. I simply shut the machine down normally to check the RAM type...
[18:15] <ek> Rebooted into issues.
[18:15] <ek> Might be related to some updates or something though.
[18:15] <Mekzholan> Does anyone know where the system settings for the controllbar are stored?
[18:15] <apow> dcop test from command line
[18:15] <LazersX> Hold on.
[18:16] <apow> nice.
[18:16] <apow> ek: really weird.
[18:17] <LazersX> dcop not found?
[18:17] <g_> daschreech now it says firefox is already running and you must first close it, I uninstalled it and reinstalled it
[18:17] <nicolas_> Mekzholan: controlbar?
[18:17] <apow> what happens is that upon booting your / is mounted root-only
[18:17] <LazersX> Ye
[18:17] <Bou> Mekzholan: you mean the panel at bottom?
[18:17] <apow> afterwards some process remounts / as rw
[18:17] <g_> dude this is crazy
[18:17] <Mekzholan> Bou: yes, the bar at the bottom
[18:17] <apow> this process is probably borking
[18:17] <apow> or the caller
[18:17] <LazersX> So what do I do?
[18:17] <Bou> Mekzholan: right-click, "add panel"
[18:17] <g_> does anyone know how to totally remove firefox?
[18:18] <Mekzholan> Bou: the thing with the K-menu that's constanty disapparing after reboot for me :(
[18:18] <LazersX> Anyone got help?
[18:18] <Bou> Mekzholan: :( not sure I can be of any help about it
[18:19] <Mekzholan> :(
[18:19] <LazersX> It boots into busybox, not X.
[18:19] <Mekzholan> even google doesn't show many similar problems :(
[18:20] <apow> ek: check the file /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh
[18:21] <LazersX> I installed it from windows, though.
[18:21] <apow> check the line rootmode
[18:21] <LazersX> How?
[18:22] <apow> ek: found it?
[18:23] <g_> Hey mmy firefox is totally broken, this is super freakin crazy
[18:23] <g_> I remove it and reinstall it and it still saysits running
[18:23] <LazersX> Hellpp?
[18:24] <apow> killall -9 firefox; killall -9 firefox-bin
[18:24] <g_> I changed the default profile to default.old and that's when things really got messed up
[18:24] <LazersX> Im on the grub edit menu.
[18:24] <dstar> ...hardware. Great. Well, at least I remembered I had a spare monitor.
[18:24] <g_> apow it says no process killed
[18:24] <LazersX> Eh, well, Kubuntu fails.
[18:24]  * LazersX uninstalls.
[18:25] <apow> g_: ps -ef | grep firefox
[18:25] <LazersX> Thanks for not helping. Bye.
[18:27] <g_> 6348  6322  0 11:25 pts/1    00:00:00 grep firefox
[18:30] <ek> apow: Hold on a sec...
[18:30] <ek> I went for a smoke break while I let it choke on the LDAP auth (Due to no network) and now it seems to have booted normally.
[18:30] <jpedroza> I am having an issue with Intrepid where I lose the ability to click with the mouse. It only seems to happen with dual monitors enabled with my Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT.
[18:30] <ek> I couldn't watch to see if it was doing any checks due to the LDAP retry every 1 second.
[18:30] <ek> I'll reboot now to see if its fixed.
[18:30] <apow> read what i said about checkroot.sh
[18:31] <jpedroza> Has anyone else seen this?
[18:31] <kkkduifjalsdd> is there a tool which can search a word is many pdf files?
[18:32] <jpedroza> A restart of X fixes the no-click issue
[18:32] <ek> apow: Ah. Thanks. I'll take a look.
[18:33] <g_> apow that command just gave me some numbers
[18:33] <g_> apow is there anything that I should do next?
[18:34] <g_> Im going to reboot
[18:35] <adams> does kde4 still use alsa?
[18:35] <DarkSmoke> oi
[18:35] <DarkSmoke> does kubuntu has a GUI to configure disks ? i forgot to use the swap partition during install.. lol
[18:38] <DarkSmoke> wait it is being use by ksysguard is saying no space available
[18:38] <DarkSmoke> hmm :S
[18:39] <g_> MY firefox is officially destroyed, does anyone know how to totally remove it?
[18:39] <khakane> apt-get remove firefox
[18:40] <g_> that wont do it, there's still settings that are saved
[18:40] <DarkSmoke> go to your home directory from konsole
[18:41] <khakane> rm -rf /etc/firefox-3.0/
[18:41] <DarkSmoke> and do rm -rf .firefox
[18:41] <DarkSmoke> and rm -rf .mozilla
[18:41] <khakane> i dont think there is a .firefox, its in .mozilla
[18:41] <g_> I just went to apt get remove firefox and it says firefox is not installed
[18:41] <ek> apow: The checkroot.sh script is there.
[18:42] <g_> I dont know about you guys but this seems malicious
[18:42] <g_> this is pretty messed up for some random bug
[18:43] <g_> this happened lastnight and hti is weird
[18:43] <rapid_> kubuntu.de
[18:45] <DaSkreech> g_: Sorry lots of calls here
[18:47] <g_> daschreech its cool, I suppose whenever anyone gets a chance to show me how to totally remove firefox I would be very grateful
[18:55] <apow> ek: ok, how about the rootmode line?
[18:55] <apow> ek: does it state "rw"?
[18:55] <ek> apow: Yes. rw.
[18:56] <apow> then i don't know what else could you do
[18:56] <apow> I'd suggest running checkroot.sh start by hand
[18:56] <ek> apow: It might also be an LDAP issue.
[18:56] <apow> but I don't know the side effects.
[18:56] <ek> apow: Okay. I'll give that a shot as well.
[18:57] <apow> oh wait
[18:57] <apow> luiz@sekishusai:/home$ mount
[18:57] <apow> /dev/sdb2 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[18:57] <apow> what's the output of your mount command?
[18:57] <ek> Well, completely b0rking the machine /CAN/ be done. I'm not using it for anything at the moment.
[18:58] <ek> apow: I'll paste. Hold on a tick...
[19:00] <ek> apow: http://www.purplehat.org/~ek/mount.txt
[19:01] <apow> kde is opening OO writer for txt files
[19:01] <apow> lol
[19:01] <apow> your / is mounted rw
[19:01] <apow> 99% certain this is a LDAP issue then.
[19:02] <apow> as root, type id -a
[19:02] <ek> Exactly. That's what made me think the same.
[19:02] <apow> as your sudo-enabled local user, type id -a as well
[19:02] <ek> As soon as I'm finished with this work, I'll test some more stuff.
[19:03] <ek> apow: http://www.purplehat.org/~ek/id-a.txt
[19:03] <ek> ^ id -a output.
[19:04] <apow> do you have a LDAP user named ek as well?
[19:05] <ek> Yes. That's the user I'm logged in with now.
[19:05] <ek> There is no local "ek" user.
[19:05] <ek> I used a local "admin" account earlier when troubleshooting.
[19:06] <ek> There must just be something mis-configured somewhere.
[19:06] <g_> anyone know how to completely remove firefox, Ive used synaptic to do it and it didnt work.
[19:06] <apow> ensure that you are a member of those: groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),115(admin),125(sambashare)
[19:11] <ek> apow: Okay. Thanks.
[19:11] <ek> g_: You can try: sudo apt-get remove firefox
[19:16] <g_> ek that doesn't work mit says it doesnt exist
[19:18] <ek> g_: What exactly remains that shouldn't be there? The executable and everything?
[19:21] <g_> ek configuration files
[19:21] <g_> ek if i remove it and reinstall it, firefox is still totally completely horribly messed up
[19:24] <vito_> buonasera! chi mi può dare una mano con ilkde di 8.10 bloccato?
[19:24] <Pici> !it | vito_
[19:24] <Mamarok> !it | vito_
[19:25] <ek> g_: Oh. Do you want to start from scratch then?
[19:25] <vito_> sorry!
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> when compiling QtCurve for KDE4 i used: ~/Desktop/QtCurve-KDE4-0.60.0/build$ cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> i also have QtCurve for KDE3 sources. how do i compile it?
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in kubuntu 8.10.
[19:26] <g_> ek yes I do indeed
[19:27] <ek> g_: As the user you run Firefox as, type: rm -rf ~/.mozilla/
[19:28] <conni> hola cual es el canal en español soy nuevo
[19:28] <ek> That will wipe Firefox's slate completely clean. It will need to regenerate new files upon it's next start.
[19:29] <g_> wow that totally worked!!
[19:29] <conni> hola alguien que me ayude
[19:29] <g_> ek thanks your the best man
[19:29] <yao_ziyuan> i'd just ignore KDE3
[19:29] <hyper_ch> !es | conni
[19:30] <conni> gracias
[19:30] <imad> wots up ?
[19:30] <imad> nothing else matter$
[19:31] <ek> g_: Welcome.
[19:46] <Koordin> hi i have kubuntu 8.10 : how can i write an unicode char knowing his code ?
[19:47] <galaad> Sorry, I don't understand what you want
[19:48] <Koordin> let's say i want to write the char unicode 8866, how can i enter it ? on windows it was Alt + 8866 then release Alt ; but on kubuntu 8.10 i don't know how to do
[19:49] <galaad> hum
[19:49] <galaad> Have you search on google?
[19:49] <Koordin> i've seen several ways to do it, but none works
[19:50] <galaad> Hum...
[19:50] <galaad> Sorry, I don't know
[19:51] <Koordin> ctrl + shit + code does not work ; for ctrl + shit + u there is a problem because i've set another shortcut ; but i can't find where i can set the shortcut for the unicode chars
[19:51] <Koordin> i've searched in "Keyboard & Mouse"
[19:51] <galaad> yes
[19:51] <galaad> and there's nothing?
[19:52] <Koordin> i did not find
[19:53] <galaad> hum
[19:53] <galaad> I've the same result
[19:53] <galaad> try to find on the doc's website
[19:53] <galaad> I don't know sorry
[19:53] <galaad> It's a very good question^^
[19:53] <resno> hello all. i am trying to add ssh on my kubuntu install, and i cant find the program in the add/remove software list.
[19:54] <Xpert> i need help
[19:54] <Xpert> i ve installed rpm package but it dont run normally
[19:54] <resno> xpert: what is the problem?
[19:54] <Xpert> rpm -ivh filename ? is the command to install a rpm file ?
[19:54] <Xpert> i need to install a rpm file
[19:54] <Xpert> but i got rpm from apt-get install rpm
[19:54] <Xpert> and now it is suckking
[19:55] <resno> xpert: you said it doesnt run normally?
[19:55] <Xpert> yes
[19:55] <Xpert> i will show the error ooone moment
[19:55] <khakane> ew rpms in ubuntu
[19:55] <Xpert> kubuntu i m using
[19:55] <Xpert> rpm is a red hat system file isnt ?
[19:55] <khakane> ok, how about.. ew.. rpms in debian based linux distros..
[19:56] <resno> hello all. i am trying to add ssh on my kubuntu install, and i cant find the program in the add/remove software list.
[19:56] <Pici> RPMs should not be installed in Ubuntu.
[19:56] <khakane> resno: you could apt-get install ssh
[19:56] <Pici> resno: The client or the server? or both?
[19:56] <resno> pici: server
[19:56] <Xpert> resno:  it says for me install alien
[19:56] <Xpert> what is this ? a package ?
[19:56] <Pici> resno: khakane's command will install the server and client
[19:56] <khakane> yup
[19:57] <Xpert> error in /var/lib/rpm
[19:57] <resno> ok that will work for me!
[19:57] <Xpert> database cant be opened
[19:57] <Pici> Xpert: What software are you trying to install?
[19:57] <resno> pici: thanks, kgakane!
[19:57] <Xpert> AdobeReader8.rpm
[19:57] <Xpert> smth like acrobat reader
[19:58] <Xpert> what may  i do ?
[19:58] <Pici> kpdf or okular should be able to open it.
[19:58] <Xpert> Pici when i downloaded the file .pdf showed a screen saying "open with"
[19:58] <Xpert> okular is instaled
[19:59] <Xpert> but where are the file to me path it ?
[19:59] <Xpert> i dont know nothing about linux
[19:59] <Pici> Xpert: /usr/bin/okular
[19:59] <Xpert> ok i ll try
[19:59] <Xpert> all the prograns of the system are in /usr/bin ?
[20:00] <Pici> Xpert: Many, but not all.
[20:00] <Xpert> and where are the others ?
[20:00] <Xpert> in /lib ?
[20:00] <Pici> Not usually.
[20:00] <Xpert> where then ?
[20:00] <Pici> `which okular` should show you the location
[20:01] <Pici> echo $PATH will tell you where binaries generally could be
[20:01] <Xpert> ok okular runned now ty
[20:01] <Xpert> but now i want to learn isntall a rpm file
[20:01] <Xpert> i ve got the rpm package
[20:01]  * Pici sighs
[20:01] <Pici> !rpm
[20:02] <Xpert> Pici:  alien is the name of the package ?
[20:02] <Pici> !info alien
[20:02] <Xpert> ok ty
[20:02] <Pici> Xpert: Yes, but if the install fails or does other weird things we cannot help you
[20:02] <resno> bots are very helpful ;)
[20:03] <Xpert> how can i force my cd rom to eject ?
[20:04] <Xpert> Pici:
[20:04] <craver_> eject
[20:04] <craver_> sudo eject
[20:04] <Xpert> ok
[20:04] <Xpert> ty
[20:05] <craver_> BaLtHoR was the greatest bot ever.
[20:05] <craver_> RIP
[20:06] <Xpert> i need help
[20:06] <Xpert> crash when installing alien
[20:06] <Xpert> it says for me put the cd of kubuntu 8.10 and press enter i put and nothing happens
[20:06] <resno> xpert: they told you earlier they cant help you with it!
[20:06] <Xpert> same error
[20:06] <Xpert> ok
[20:06] <Xpert> :(
[20:07] <resno> pici said it earlier...
[20:07] <Xpert> ok
[20:08] <Xpert> i have one doubt
[20:09] <Xpert> when i use the command su for root
[20:09] <Xpert> i put my keyword and it say authentification failed
[20:09] <Xpert> why
[20:09] <Xpert> ?
[20:09] <Xpert> another
[20:09] <robin0800> its sudo
[20:09] <Xpert> how can i exit from root
[20:09] <Xpert> but for what uses su ?
[20:09] <ye||ow> strg+d
[20:09] <resno> robin0800: whats the diff between sudo and su?
[20:10] <resno> su is when you are running a command? sudo is for login in a root?
[20:10] <robin0800> sudo is kde and ubuntu version of su
[20:10] <Xpert> i wanna have permission of root only
[20:10] <Xpert> ok
[20:10] <Xpert> but when i take a su and it says authenfication failed
[20:11] <Xpert> isnt weird ?
[20:11] <resno> xpert: is your password right?
[20:11] <Xpert> it shouldnt root me ?
[20:11] <Xpert> yes
[20:11] <Xpert> sure
[20:11] <Xpert> with sudo i can root and install everything
[20:11] <Xpert> but when i try only su for root forever it dont runs
[20:12] <khakane> why not try something like
[20:12] <khakane> sudo bash
[20:12] <Pici> Xpert: use sudo -i
[20:12] <Pici> !sudo | please read
[20:12] <Xpert> Pici:  it said invalid option
[20:13] <khakane> Xpert: sudo bash
[20:13] <Pici> Xpert: Just sudo -i
[20:13] <khakane> wil drop you to root bash
[20:13] <Xpert> i m using the bush
[20:13] <Xpert> ok
[20:13] <Xpert> sudo -i runned
[20:13] <Xpert> now how to exit from root ?
[20:13] <khakane> exit
[20:13] <Xpert> ok
[20:13] <Xpert> ty
[20:14] <Guest47973> i deleted two big files (2gig total) but i still only have 34meg free space, nothing in trash
[20:14] <resno> i think its funny... your name is xpert, but you are not an expert at all...
[20:14] <khakane> resno: ;)
[20:14] <Xpert> resno: i m not a pc xpert ;s
[20:14] <resno> xpert: what are you an xpert of?
[20:14] <ye||ow> Xpert: strg+d
[20:15] <Xpert> what is strg ?
[20:15] <Xpert> string ?
[20:15] <Xpert> resno:  in Math
[20:16] <faichele> "Strg" would be the "Ctrl" key in English...
[20:16] <Xpert> ok
[20:16] <faichele> And "Ctrl + D" is the escape sequence for a shell logout.
[20:16] <faichele> At least for sane shells like bash.
[20:16] <Xpert> ty
[20:16] <Xpert> :D
[20:16] <Xpert> i m learning much here
[20:17] <Xpert> but i cant install alien grrr
[20:17] <Xpert> i m nervous
[20:17] <Xpert> lol
[20:17] <Xpert> should i try adept ?
[20:17] <resno> xpert: if takes time. try doing some research for alien online.
[20:17] <Xpert> ok i ll
[20:17] <faichele> What do you need alien for with Kubuntu?
[20:17] <_rob_> i deleted two big files (2gig total) but i still only have 34meg free space, nothing in trash, where did the space go?
[20:17] <resno> faichele: he wants to run rpms.
[20:18] <Pici> Please use the software repositories before installing from source or RPMs.
[20:18] <resno> _rob_: was it truly deleted?
[20:18] <Pici> !software
[20:19] <_rob_> resno: i cant see them in file manager
[20:19] <faichele> I agree with Pici; if you can, stick with the Kubuntu repositories.
[20:19] <resno> he wants to go off into uncharted water, to make whatever program work.
[20:19] <resno> _rob_: it was a file and not a software correct?
[20:20] <_rob_> resno: yeah it was files
[20:21] <resno> _rob_: how did you go about deleting them?
[20:21] <vito_> on KDE 8.10 startup, when i have to input password, i cannot do everyting, no type and no move mouse pinter..
[20:22] <_rob_> pressed delete.....
[20:22] <vito_> until tha last shutdown it works
[20:22] <Xpert> what is a reposithory ?
[20:23] <Pici> Xpert: Please read  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[20:23] <resno> xpert: installing it through your programs install thing.
[20:23] <Xpert> ok
[20:24] <dr_willis> !repo
[20:24] <resno> _rob_: have you tried searching to see if it is indeed deleted?
[20:24] <rodut> HEllo
[20:24] <faichele> Add the "universe" and "multiverse" repositories; what you don
[20:24] <rodut> Need wireless help were do i turn?
[20:24] <dr_willis> !wireless
[20:24] <faichele> t find as Kubuntu package there doesn't exist.
[20:24] <dr_willis> for a start.. depends on the exact issue rodut .
[20:25] <rodut> thnx will check
[20:26] <rodut> dr_willis - I can not find my wireless, new to kubuntu.
[20:26] <resno> rodut: do you see a gear in the bottom right hand corner?
[20:27] <rodut> nope
[20:27] <dr_willis> check that restricted-drivers tool to see if you need to install any extra drivers/firmware for it.. You may need to track down what chipset your wireless card is also.
[20:28] <rodut> I've change from wpa2 to wpa personal sercurity on my router though i read that it is not supported..?
[20:28] <rodut> thnx dr_willis
[20:28] <rodut> will try that
[20:28] <resno> rodut: that would have little to do withthis. we first need to find if your chipset is supported.
[20:28] <Xpert> which is the path of gedit please ?
[20:29] <rodut> Atheros i think it is
[20:29] <resno> xpert: why do you need the path?
[20:30] <Xpert> to open sourceslists in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:30] <Xpert> to try see the problem with alien
[20:30] <resno> xpert: oh, you are still working with alien.
[20:30] <Xpert> yes
[20:30] <Xpert> i want to learn
[20:31] <rodut> Can i disable my network connection an activate again, in some way?
[20:31] <Xpert> it can be always helpfull in the future
[20:31] <resno> xpert: why would you want to learn about something that is not supported? and is not useful for this distro?
[20:31] <resno> rodut: is it an internal or external wifi?
[20:31] <Xpert> cuz in the future im thinking in changing to mandriva
[20:32] <rodut> internal
[20:32] <Xpert> mandriva is the fusion of which distributions ?
[20:32] <Xpert> connectiva ?
[20:32] <Xpert> i m brazilian i guess that will be good for me
[20:33] <Dario_Andres> hi Kubuntu people... is there a package which provides debug symbols for the qtnetwork module ? thanks
[20:34] <resno> rodut: do you see the icon that shows the eternet connection?
[20:34] <rodut> any time a try to type sudo apt- get something it allways respond sudo:unable to respond host rodut, why?
[20:34] <dr_willis> rodut,  have you changed your hostname recently?
[20:35] <dr_willis> !hostname
[20:35] <rodut> I have i white icon bottom left corner like a small switch thingy
[20:35] <dr_willis> unable to 'resolve' host rodut   perhaps tis saying?
[20:36] <rodut> yeah , thats correct sry i ment that
[20:36] <dr_willis> Your host's actrual hostname and /etc/hosts file some how are not in sync
[20:36] <dr_willis> which is why i asked if you have changed your hostname
[20:36] <Bundestrojaner> hello
[20:36] <rodut> No havent changed
[20:37] <resno> rodut: the error is saying that arent the same.
[20:37] <Bundestrojaner> a friend is using 8.10 on a system with an Radeon 7000, the problem is, he can't set a resolution higher than 800x600
[20:37] <resno> !video
[20:37] <rodut> Alright, any ideas how to fix it?
[20:38] <resno> !hostname
[20:38] <Bundestrojaner> resno: was the video for me?
[20:39] <resno> bundestrojaner: no.
[20:39] <Bundestrojaner> k
[20:39] <Bundestrojaner> but any ideas for the problem?
[20:39] <rodut> The p
[20:39] <rodut> roblem i
[20:39] <Bundestrojaner> would the proprietary ati-driver fix this?
[20:40] <rodut> sry
[20:40] <resno> it could be
[20:40] <Bundestrojaner> he installed a package named "catalyst" but it didn't change anything
[20:41] <resno> it might be restricted, so check that.
[20:41] <Bundestrojaner> resno: what might be restricted?
[20:41] <Bundestrojaner> and how?
[20:41] <Bundestrojaner> i'm using gentoo, so i know not much about kubuntu
[20:41] <dr_willis> rodut,  the bot has been saying what to do to 'fix' it. :) but i have to wonder how it got changed..   You need to edit the   /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts, OR try the networking tool.
[20:42] <resno> the driver. using a driver that is not "supported". you have to enable it.
[20:42] <Pici> Bundestrojaner: run jockey-kde to install the proprietary video drivers in Kubuntu
[20:42] <resno> pici: thanks, i dont know the commands. i just know what it might be.
[20:42] <rodut> Okey thanks...
[20:42] <Bundestrojaner> Pici: simply sudo jockey-kde ?
[20:43] <Pici> Bundestrojaner: just jockey-kde  should take care of it... or kdesudo jockey-kde
[20:44] <Bundestrojaner> Pici: and that's all? my friend is a real beginner on linux...
[20:44] <Bundestrojaner> it's for an ATi
[20:44] <Pici> Bundestrojaner: It should let you know if theres a driver available to be installed or not
[20:44] <Bundestrojaner> ok
[20:45] <The-Compiler> How can I move a panel in KDE4 from the top to the bottom?
[20:46] <craver_> upgrade to 4.1 or 4.2
[20:47] <craver_> much easier to customize the desktop
[20:52] <_rob_> resno: how would i search to see if its deleted?
[20:52] <Bundestrojaner> Btw: what's the difference between kdesudo and sudo?
[20:53] <Pici> !kdesudo | Bundestrojaner
[20:53] <Pici> Explains it clearer than I can
[20:53] <Bundestrojaner> ok
[20:53] <resno> _rob_: do you remember the file name?
[20:54] <_rob_> no
[20:55] <resno> _rob_: i am not sure what to do.
[20:56] <_rob_> resno: it was 2 folders, with one big file in each
[20:56] <_rob_> cant find with file manager or ls
[20:57] <_rob_> the files are "gone" but it seems to not freed the space
[20:57] <resno> you checked to see if it was in the trash?
[20:57] <_rob_> trash is empty
[20:57] <_rob_> never went there
[20:57] <_rob_> i guess cuz it was too big
[20:58] <resno> well, i dont know where it went. or what to do. ill have to leave it to the more advnaced ppl
[20:58] <heapy> hello!
[21:00] <heapy> can someone please help out regarding mplayer, and streaming videos from the internet? - m trying to stream from lfc.tv (asf, or wmv) but mplayer doesnt like it. I have installed w64codec's, any ideas lads?
[21:00] <_rob_> you tried vlc?
[21:01] <heapy> i would prefer to keep wiv mplayer, if there is a way to do it rob lad
[21:01] <marco2265> Sorry for my english, i have a problem with window's colors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/102352/
[21:02] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[21:03] <contrast> Anyone know of a way to adjust the color scheme for KDE3 apps running under KDE4? qtconfig-qt3 has proven useless for this (unless I'm missing something).
[21:05] <thiagooo> does k3b burn isos?
[21:05] <_rob_> yeah
[21:05] <thiagooo> i cant burn anything running it off a livecd though can i
[21:05] <thiagooo> :P
[21:06] <contrast> thiagooo: not if you only have one disc drive... unless you want to run off a live usb instead. ;)
[21:09] <thiagooo> exactly
[21:09] <thiagooo> how do i run things off a live usb  though
[21:09] <thiagooo> like
[21:09] <thiagooo> if its a boot application
[21:09] <thiagooo> like a partition manager
[21:09] <thiagooo> can it have other stuff saved in the usb drive too?
[21:09] <heapy> bbs lads, trying an update
[21:10] <shb> is anyone else having problems with the xserver just randomly locking up in kde 4.1 ?
[21:10] <_rob_> havin to reboot every couple of hours
[21:10] <OrbJinzo> are you using a laptop?
[21:10] <shb> yes
[21:10] <shb> ati radeon 1400
[21:10] <OrbJinzo> and getting a check battery error?
[21:10] <shb> if I look on tty7 this is always there
[21:11] <shb> the xorg.log says something about a loop
[21:11] <shb> sorry
[21:11] <thiagooo> contrast: how do i run boot thing off a usb? can it have other stuff saved on it, too?
[21:11] <shb> tty8
[21:11] <OrbJinzo> its a known issue with the current kernel
[21:11] <shb> hmmm
[21:11] <OrbJinzo> do a uname -r for me
[21:11] <shb> any work arounds?
[21:11] <shb> I tried restarting everything
[21:11] <shb> kdm
[21:11] <OrbJinzo> ...
[21:12] <shb> and the lot
[21:12] <shb> nothing
[21:12] <shb> ....I sshed to my laptop from my server.
[21:12] <OrbJinzo> the fix is booting in with a different kernel verison
[21:12] <contrast> thiagooo: google unetbootin - that's probably the easiest solution. as for having other stuff saved on your flash drive, i imagine that wouldn't be a problem - just use gparted to set one partition for the live cd image and another for your other stuff.
[21:13] <contrast> thiagooo: i could be wrong on that last part though - never tried it, but it seems like it'd work.
[21:13] <OrbJinzo> but sbh
[21:13] <OrbJinzo> which kernel are you running?
[21:14] <thiagooo> contrast: thank you
[21:15] <contrast> thiagooo: np
[21:15] <chrisaustin> Hello All, a quick question, is there any way to get kubuntu to display the login screen after a user goes idle?  Instead of just locking the current session?
[21:18] <dr_willis> You want the user tobe forced to logout after idle for so long?
[21:20] <shb> Orbjinzo: sorry I was on another channel
[21:20] <bollullera> buenas noches
[21:20] <cow_2001> i've already asked that on #ubuntu and realized maybe this is a better place to ask such a question. trying to run kopete on wmii results in a process of kopete running in the background but no kopete window showing up.
[21:21] <BazBaz> howdy, I installed BASKET NOTES on my gnome desktop and konqueror, korganizer, knotes and a lot of other kde stuff came along for the ride. I understand that BASKET is a kde app but does it have to bring all those other apps - can't i just bring in the kde library?
[21:21] <bollullera> good morning
[21:21] <shb> Orbjinzo: 2.6.27-9-generic is my kernel
[21:21] <cow_2001> bollullera: :)
[21:21] <OrbJinzo> ya
[21:21] <chrisaustin> dr_willis: Well, not su much, I'd like to preserve the session, but have the login screen displayed on idle timeout so that other users could log in
[21:21] <OrbJinzo> thats the verison.
[21:21] <contrast> BazBaz: what program did you use to install it?
[21:21] <OrbJinzo> you have to boot into another verison of the kernel
[21:21] <shb> ahha
[21:21] <BazBaz> contrast: add/remove
[21:21] <shb> I have to download another first :D
[21:22] <bollullera> cow_2001 ;)
[21:23] <dr_willis> chrisaustin,   ask in #KDE - it may be doable/ or allready a feature that just needs to be enabled..   I'd hate to think what issues that may cause with removeable media, and other  things. :)
[21:23] <jpedroza> Evening all. I was just handed a Verizon wireless USB modem. Is anyone using the usb modem with Verizon under Kubuntu?
[21:23] <contrast> BazBaz: go to Synaptic -> Preferences -> uncheck "Consider recommended packages as dependencies.
[21:24] <contrast> BazBaz: after that, try uninstalling basket and installing it again.
[21:24] <BazBaz> contrast: interesting... doing it...
[21:25] <OrbJinzo> jpedroza
[21:25] <OrbJinzo> http://www.linux.com/forums/topic/3768
[21:25] <isaacj87> jpedroza: I just googled it, seems like it should just work
[21:25] <contrast> that's one terrible default setting. :-\
[21:25] <jpedroza> isaacj87: The modem is detected, but what app would I use to actually connect?
[21:26] <isaacj87> jpedroza: yikes, I don't know...does networkmanager understand it?
[21:26] <jpedroza> There it is
[21:26] <jpedroza> isaacj87: Yep, it shows up in there
[21:26] <BazBaz> contrast: i still see em listed as dependencies - do u know if they are?
[21:26] <isaacj87> jpedroza: cool. :)
[21:27] <contrast> BazBaz: they shouldn't be. not according to apt-cache show basket
[21:27] <contrast> BazBaz: did you reload after changing the setting?
[21:27] <BazBaz> contrast: ya... strange
[21:28] <BazBaz> contrast: i was thinking of installing it from the downloadable online version anyways since it is a higher version
[21:28] <contrast> where's that?
[21:28] <BazBaz> contrast: is there a way to manually add all kde libraries without requesting a specific software?
[21:29] <BazBaz> http://basket.kde.org/index.php
[21:30] <thiagooo> if i want to install kubuntu manually, what partitions do i have to create in my unalocatted space?
[21:31] <_rob_> a main an a swap i think
[21:31] <KRF> !partitioning
[21:31] <KRF> thiagooo ^
[21:31] <thiagooo> thank you
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: not really sure tbh. kdelibs4c2a might be the package you need, not sure though...
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: let's try this...
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: got a terminal open?
[21:32] <BazBaz> ya
[21:32] <jimmy51_> what would be a good PCI video card for me?  i'm running kubuntu 8.10 on an intel board with 945 chipset + GMA 950 integrated video (sucks).  I'd like to enable 3D and compiz and light 3d games.  I have a FX5200 but X server pukes with it
[21:32] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge basket
[21:33] <contrast> BazBaz: that should get rid of basket along with all the other stuff add/remove pulled in with it
[21:33] <chrisaustin> dr_willis, thanks, I'll check there
[21:33] <_rob_> jimmy51_: fx5200 should be fine, u got right drivers installed?
[21:33] <Zeelot3k> hey guys, I just installed kubuntu 8.10 and the new beta 2 of kde 4.2 but my sound in firefox flash apps doesnt work...anyone know why?
[21:33] <dr_willis> because flash is annoying ? :)
[21:34] <BazBaz> contrast: that is done
[21:34] <Zeelot3k> actually no audio works right now...but if I reboot it works
[21:34] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get install basket
[21:34] <_rob_> because your volume isnt turned up? open mixer and check levels/channels
[21:34] <jimmy51_> _rob_: i enabled the restricted driver kubuntu 8.10 suggested, which failed.... and also downloaded the latest 173.14.xx driver from nvidia.  that failed too.  it actually wanted to recompile a module but always failed.
[21:34] <dr_willis> Hmm.. boot up.. test sound..  play some stuf.f.. then play some flash.. see if flash is some how crashing things?
[21:34] <Zeelot3k> _rob_:  no that's not it
[21:35] <BazBaz> when i do apt-cache show basket it shows less dependencies than in synaptic (maybe i needed to restart it or something) but it still shows kontact
[21:35] <BazBaz> contrast: "kaddressbook kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdelibs-bin
[21:35] <BazBaz>   kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdepim-kresources kdepimlibs5 kmail knotes kontact
[21:35] <BazBaz>   korganizer libkdepim4 libkholidays4 libkleo4 libkpgp4 libksieve4 libmimelib4
[21:35] <BazBaz>   libphonon4 phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer"
[21:35] <BazBaz> oops
[21:35] <contrast> !pastebin | BazBaz
[21:36] <BazBaz> ya sorry
[21:36] <jimmy51_> _rob_: i suspect it's something to do with the fact that the integrated video is impossible to disable and the nvidia driver wants to be the king
[21:36] <contrast> np
[21:36] <BazBaz> i didn't know there would be line breaks
[21:36] <jimmy51_> _rob_: but i'm not sure.  it seg faulted though.
[21:36] <_rob_> jimmy51_: can you not disable integrated in the bios?
[21:36] <contrast> BazBaz: no konqueror this time?
[21:37] <BazBaz> contrast: i'm not sure if that was there the last time
[21:37] <jimmy51_> _rob_: nope.  the only options are Init First: (Auto, PCI, or integrated)
[21:37] <BazBaz> contrast: but no
[21:37] <contrast> hmm...
[21:38] <BazBaz> contrast: here is the whole writeup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102366/
[21:38] <BazBaz> contrast: are the suggested applications what we tried to disable in synaptic
[21:38] <BazBaz> what is the tiniest kde app
[21:38] <contrast> you could try downloading the source tarball and see if there are any options for disabling kde/kde-pim integration in the configuration script at build time.
[21:39] <BazBaz> contrast: hmm, interesting approach
[21:39] <contrast> BazBaz: no, suggested is lower priority than recommended
[21:39] <contrast> BazBaz: sometimes i find myself scratching my head until it bleeds in response to the ubuntu packaging god's dependency decisions.
[21:40] <contrast> BazBaz: situations like this are when the benefits of source-based distros like gentoo make themselves apparent.
[21:40] <BazBaz> contrast: hehe
[21:40] <contrast> Anyone know of a way to adjust the color scheme for KDE3 apps running under KDE4? qtconfig-qt3 has proven useless for this (unless I'm missing something).
[21:41] <OrbJinzo> Gentoo is fun if you have a couple days to waste.
[21:41] <Zeelot3k> ok so sound does work for me but amarok doesnt play any sound and flash seems to have no sound in firefox, what can this be?
[21:41] <Zeelot3k> please can anyone help?
[21:42] <contrast> Zeelot3k: did you already try System Settings -> Sound (or Multimedia)
[21:42] <jpedroza> Zeelot3k: Have you checked in kmix that all volumes are unmuted?
[21:42] <Zeelot3k> contrast:  the sound works fine there
[21:42] <Zeelot3k> the test sound works
[21:42] <Zeelot3k> volume is not the issue
[21:43] <contrast> Zeelot3k: amarok 1 or 2?
[21:43] <Guest8030> holaaaaaaaaa
[21:43] <thiagooo> how do i check my ram in kubuntu?
[21:43] <carolina> holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:44] <Guest8030> _
[21:44] <carolina> hola holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:44] <Guest8030> hola carolina
[21:44] <Guest8030> como estas?
[21:44] <carolina> bn
[21:44] <Guest8030> aki nadie habla en español
[21:44] <Guest8030> :(
[21:44] <carolina> tu de donde soi
[21:44] <Guest8030> yo soy de españa y tu?
[21:44] <carolina> chilito
[21:44] <jpedroza> !es
[21:45] <contrast> thiagooo: Alt+F1 -> System -> System Monitor
[21:46] <khakane> thiagooo: type free in a shell
[21:48] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[21:48] <resno> ive always known linux to be an os which didnt require any restarts... has this changed in recent times?
[21:48] <DarkSmoke> what development packages contain qt make ?
[21:49] <BazBaz> contrast: there is a way to compile without pim integration but i still have the problem of not having kde libraries
[21:49] <thiagooo> so just double checking
[21:49] <BazBaz> contrast: would it work to install kde-desktop but not login to it?
[21:50] <BazBaz> contrast: just to have the libs
[21:50] <contrast> BazBaz: erm, that'd work, but that's not really the best way.
[21:50] <thiagooo> to manually install kubuntu i create a swap partition with the same amout of ram i have and an ext3 partition with the amout of hd i want the kubuntu partition to have
[21:50] <BazBaz> contrast: it did feel kludgy
[21:50] <contrast> BazBaz: is this the kde3 or kde4 version of basket?
[21:51] <BazBaz> hmm, another good question - i am looking for the latest or whatever u recommend
[21:52] <contrast> BazBaz: pastebin the exact error you get when trying to compile basket
[21:53] <chris_> how can i update klamav?? it gives the message "Update Process died unexpectedly! Did you kill it manually?" everytime it starts or i try to update. ive tried searching forums but couldn't find a solution
[21:53] <BazBaz> contrast: its very short: configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found!
[21:53] <BazBaz> contrast: and then: Please check whether you installed KDE correctly.
[21:53] <contrast> hang on...
[21:54] <contrast> BazBaz: what version is this again?
[21:54] <contrast> # i mean
[21:55] <thiagooo> ?
[21:55] <BazBaz> basket-<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:55] <contrast> thiagooo: that's right
[21:55] <thiagooo> contrast: thank you
[21:58] <contrast> BazBaz: still on it (forgot to install apt-file when i upgraded to 8.10)....
[22:00] <jpedroza> I have a verizon aircard UM150 that shows up, and I can configure it, but it won't connect. Is anyoue using intrepid with a Verizon USB modem?
[22:00] <BazBaz> contrast: what are u thinking of using apt-file to do
[22:00] <contrast> finding which package provides kde-config
[22:00] <BazBaz> contrast: looking inside kde-desktop perhaps?
[22:00] <BazBaz> contrast: ah
[22:01] <contrast> ok, got it (i think)...
[22:02] <contrast> sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a ... if it doesn't config after that, try installing kdelibs-dev as well. barring that, i'm lost.
[22:02] <contrast> s/config/build/
[22:02] <BazBaz> hehe.. ok, trying!
[22:03] <BazBaz> oh btw, where do u suggest i compile to? I know kde apps have to be with kde or something like that
[22:04] <contrast> --prefix=/usr ... on a (very important) sidenote, you know about checkinstall?
[22:04] <trappist> compile to?
[22:04] <BazBaz> contrast: no
[22:04] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[22:05] <contrast> then whenever you get to the "sudo make install" step of any source-based install, prefix "make" with "checkinstall" - so "sudo checkinstall make install".
[22:05] <contrast> BazBaz: this will install the program as a package - much tidier.
[22:06] <BazBaz> contrast: oh excellent - so you get the best of both worlds
[22:06] <contrast> yep :)
[22:07] <contrast> bb in a few, starvin'...
[22:08] <BazBaz> contrast: so now when i run "sudo ./configure --prefix=/usr" a whole lot of checking occurs but then i get a couple of warnings/errors at the end: http://paste.ubuntu.com/102385/
[22:09] <BazBaz> contrast: ok
[22:11] <starenka> hi. anybody knows why kubuntu 8.04.1 booted from flash (made by usb-creator) end up in busybox on Asus EEE 900a ?
[22:15] <contrast> BazBaz: sudo apt-get install libqt3-headers. libjpeg-dev appears to be optional.
[22:17] <heapy> now then, i have just done a fresh install of hardy kubuntu, and ran the updates. it changed the kernel etc. now hav added medibuntu repo, and its poped up wiv another 209mb of 'updates'. my question, is it sound to install these?
[22:18] <heapy> infact, after added medibuntu, its wanting to update the kernel again to <IP_ADDRESS> from 24-22. is that right?
[22:18]  * _lumm slaps rhys
[22:19] <rhys> no you
[22:19] <rhys> :P
[22:19] <heapy> am running hardy kubuntu btw
[22:25] <BazBaz> contrast: if this works out its definitly worthy iof a blog - i see online lots of people complain about all the unnecessary packages
[22:28] <contrast> back
[22:29] <rhys> welcome back
[22:29] <contrast> BazBaz: yeah... i think the worst culprit is firefox - a package i imagine 99% of kubuntu users install. it depends on the entire gnome package management suite, which is beyond retarded.
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> actually that's only because the ubuntu doods now have apt automatically installing recommends
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> you can get around that by sudo apt-get install firefox --no-install-recommends
[22:30] <Digital_Pioneer> OK... I got the Kubuntu 8.10 DVD, and I want to install it onto a system which doesn't have a DVD drive (old computer) so I moved the HDD temporarily to a system which DOES have a DVD drive, and the HDD I wish to install to is at /dev/sdb. Now what the heck is wrong with the Kubuntu installer that it refuses to install to sdb?? It acts like the only drive in the system is sda.
[22:33] <contrast> JontheEchidna: interesting... still dumb though, imo. apt-get != aptitude. sidux seems to be the only distro left that realizes this.
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, quite dumb
[22:41] <robile> what is the parameter for "find" to NOT search in case sensitive mode?
[22:41] <robinr> -iname -ipath etc
[22:47] <robile> robinr, thx!
[22:47] <contrast> BazBaz: any progress?
[22:54] <charles__> hi everyone
[22:55] <rhys> hi
[22:56] <charles__> with kubuntu, whatis the difference with ubuntu ?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> +KDE - GNOME chakie_work
[22:57] <Dr_willis> opps charles__  :)
[22:57] <charles__> lol
[22:57] <charles__> just that XD?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> basically
[22:57] <charles__> but
[22:58] <charles__> i have a good PC, KDE is better for me ?
[22:58] <Dr_willis> Better - depends on what YOU want
[22:58] <IppatsuMan> charles__: you can't know unless you try it
[22:58] <Dr_willis> You can easially install gnome and kde both. and try them both out
[22:58] <Dr_willis> may as well install xfce also
[22:58] <charles__> i can install KDE on ubuntu ?
[22:59] <ae88925> charles__: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:59] <charles__> (sorry for my questions ...  :P
[23:00] <charles__> i uninstall it
[23:01] <charles__> because of an error xD
[23:01] <ae88925> In Linux-time, Vista is ancient
[23:01] <Digital_Pioneer> Vista is crap, no matter how old it is. :)
[23:01] <charles__> yeah ...
[23:01] <charles__> i want to uses Linux for all my life
[23:01] <charles__> its better
[23:01] <Digital_Pioneer> True, true.
[23:01] <charles__> no virus, free for all
[23:01] <Digital_Pioneer> *Few viruses
[23:02] <charles__> yeah, i cant take one ^
[23:02] <Digital_Pioneer> *Few, harder to get viruses. ;)
[23:02] <charles__> ^^
[23:02] <Digital_Pioneer> (The joy of package management)
[23:02] <charles__> yeah, someone tell me its very hard to have
[23:02] <charles__> just tell me
[23:02] <charles__> i DL my G15 drivers
[23:02] <charles__> and i dont know how to install it
[23:03] <charles__> i tried -install file:///home/charles/Bureau/libg15render-1.2
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> charles__: Check Synaptic first.
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Or Adept...
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Or whatever Kubuntu uses.
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> LOL
[23:03] <Digital_Pioneer> Package manager.
[23:03] <charles__> xD
[23:03] <charles__> package manager ? where is it xD
[23:04]  * Digital_Pioneer uses APT directly.
[23:04] <Digital_Pioneer> charles__: You on KDE 3 or 4?
[23:04] <charles__> im using ubuntu for now
[23:05] <charles__> i have gnome
[23:05] <charles__> and i tried to install KDE,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:05] <charles__> like that
[23:06] <charles__> but i dont know how its work exactly
[23:06] <Dr_willis> at the LOGIN screen theres a menu
[23:06] <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, OK, you know how to use apt. :)
[23:07] <Dr_willis> pick kde from the menu :)
[23:07] <charles__> no i dont know xD
[23:07] <charles__> someone tell me to do that
[23:07] <charles__> lol ^
[23:07] <charles__> ^^
[23:07] <Dr_willis> Install the KDE desktop ------->   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:07] <Digital_Pioneer> Well... You are looking for graphics drivers for an intel chipset, right?
[23:07] <Dr_willis> there ya go.. t will install.. will download a few 100mb of data
[23:07] <Digital_Pioneer> I would think those are present.
[23:08] <charles__> no, i have my drivers installed
[23:08] <charles__> not a problem
[23:08] <Digital_Pioneer> Then what are you looking ror?
[23:08] <Digital_Pioneer> *for
[23:08] <charles__> for install my G15 drivers
[23:08] <charles__> i have files
[23:09] <charles__> file:///home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:09] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, someone enlighten me, what is G15?
[23:09] <charles__> that thing
[23:09] <charles__> its a keyboard
[23:09] <charles__> sorry ^^'
[23:10] <Digital_Pioneer> IC... Well, what is that file g15composer-3.2 then?
[23:10] <charles__> i need to install that ^
[23:10] <Digital_Pioneer> You can run `file /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2` (without the ``) to find out.
[23:11] <charles__> http://wiki.blap.info/linux:g15tools
[23:11] <charles__> i cant run it, its a file
[23:12] <Digital_Pioneer> Run the command: file /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:12] <charles__> i do it
[23:12] <Digital_Pioneer> What did it say?
[23:12] <charles__> nothing appens xD
[23:12] <charles__> charles@charles-desktop:~$ file /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:12] <charles__> /home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2: directory
[23:12] <charles__> charles@charles-desktop:~$
[23:12] <Digital_Pioneer> Directory...
[23:13] <charles__> hooo, that is the thing we want ? :o
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> That's gonna be a source code.
[23:13] <charles__> i tell you its a file
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> No, it's a directory. :)
[23:13] <charles__> (im french, sorry, for me file = directory)
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, LOL
[23:13] <Digital_Pioneer> OK.
[23:13] <charles__> ^^
[23:14] <Digital_Pioneer> Well... First, `apt-cache search g15` I would say...
[23:14] <charles__> wow
[23:14] <charles__> many results ^'
[23:14] <charles__> ^^
[23:14] <charles__> g15composer - Scriptable command interface to libg15render
[23:14] <charles__> g15daemon - Screen multiplexer for Logitech G15 Keyboard
[23:14] <charles__> g15daemon-audacious - G15daemon Audacious visualization plug-in
[23:14] <charles__> g15macro - A simple Macro recording/playback application for G15Daemon
[23:14] <Digital_Pioneer> Good.
[23:14] <charles__> g15mpd - A simple frontend for the MPD Media Player Daemon, for use with g15daemon
[23:14] <charles__> g15stats - a CPU/Memory/Swap usage meter for G15Daemon
[23:14] <charles__> libg15-1 - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> libg15-dev - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> libg15daemon-client-dev - Development packages for libg15daemon-client
[23:14] <charles__> libg15daemon-client1 - Development packages for libg15daemon-client
[23:14] <charles__> libg15render-dev - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> libg15render1 - Library for interfacing with the Logitech G15 keyboards
[23:14] <charles__> it's amazing :P
[23:14] <marlon_> ok'
[23:15] <CharlesTell> :)
[23:15] <CharlesTell> what i do now ?
[23:15] <Digital_Pioneer> charles__: Please don't paste more than 3 lines. ;) If you need to, you can put them all on a pastebin (such as http://rafb.net/paste ) and paste the link here.
[23:15] <marlon_> :)
[23:15] <CharlesTell> ok sry :s
[23:15] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `sudo apt-get install g15composer`
[23:16] <marlon_> ok
[23:16] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: NP. :)
[23:16] <CharlesTell> oO"
[23:16] <CharlesTell> its says its not "valable" (in french)
[23:16] <Dr_willis> ive used the g15 stuff under linux befor. ;)
[23:17] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `apt-cache policy g15composer`
[23:17] <CharlesTell> good
[23:17] <Dr_willis> You may need to update/upgrade and try again...
[23:17] <marlon_> ããèèèìììì
[23:17] <CharlesTell> g15composer:
[23:17] <CharlesTell>   Installé : (aucun)
[23:17] <CharlesTell>   Candidat : 3.2-1
[23:17] <CharlesTell>  Table de version :
[23:17] <CharlesTell> 3.2-1 0
[23:18] <CharlesTell> (sorry if its in french :s)
[23:18] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: This would be a good time to use rafb.net/paste ;)
[23:18] <Digital_Pioneer> Anyways, it's done now.
[23:18] <CharlesTell> yes lol
[23:18] <marlon_> ok
[23:18] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `apt-get update && apt-get install g15composer`
[23:18] <marlon_> lol
[23:19] <marlon_> lol
[23:19] <CharlesTell> http://rafb.net/p/FMlm6839.html
[23:19] <Digital_Pioneer> Oh, bah.
[23:19] <CharlesTell> oO"
[23:19] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install g15composer`
[23:20] <CharlesTell> yes
[23:20] <CharlesTell> i do it myself :)
[23:20] <Digital_Pioneer> :)
[23:20] <CharlesTell> now ?
[23:20] <Digital_Pioneer> Did it work?
[23:20] <CharlesTell> i dunno xD
[23:20] <CharlesTell> its says me yes
[23:20] <marlon_> jol
[23:20] <marlon_> h
[23:21] <Digital_Pioneer> `apt-cache policy g15composer | grep Installé`
[23:21] <CharlesTell> no response
[23:22] <marlon_> l_l
[23:22] <CharlesTell> o_o'
[23:22] <marlon_> :(
[23:22] <CharlesTell> i think i need to install all
[23:22] <CharlesTell> :s
[23:22] <marlon_> o_o
[23:22] <CharlesTell> libg15, libg15render, g15daemon and g15composer
[23:22] <Digital_Pioneer> `apt-cache policy g15composer | grep nstall`
[23:22] <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
[23:22] <marlon_> u are
[23:22] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: apt will do that for you.
[23:23] <Bou> CharlesTell: when installing g15composer it should alert you that other packages will be installed automatically
[23:23] <CharlesTell> ho ... ok :o
[23:23] <CharlesTell> (its wonderfull linux xD)
[23:23] <marlon_> ted!").
[23:23] <Digital_Pioneer> Yes. :)
[23:23] <marlon_> [18:21] <Digital_Pioneer> `apt-cache policy g15composer | grep Installé`
[23:23] <marlon_> [18:21] <-- ulitkus has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[23:23] <marlon_> [18:21] <-- jannott_ has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[23:23] <CharlesTell> but
[23:24] <marlon_> eh
[23:24] <CharlesTell> no one is install
[23:24] <CharlesTell> its say Installé : (aucun)
[23:24] <CharlesTell> aucun  mean nothing
[23:24] <marlon_> what are u talking about
[23:24] <Bou> CharlesTell: what happened after you entered `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install g15composer` ?
[23:24] <Bou> what was the message?
[23:24] <CharlesTell> many things xD
[23:25] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: rafb.net/paste
[23:25] <Bou> paste them to rafb.net then
[23:25] <CharlesTell> http://rafb.net/p/3nMhs870.html
[23:26] <Digital_Pioneer> I don't know French, but that looks successful.
[23:26] <Bou> it looks like a succesful instam
[23:26] <Bou> *install
[23:26] <Digital_Pioneer> Run g15composer
[23:26] <CharlesTell> yes, i think too
[23:26] <CharlesTell> Atteint mean "reach"
[23:26] <CharlesTell> how can i do that ?
[23:26] <Bou> i'm french by the way
[23:26] <CharlesTell> apt-get g15composer ?
[23:26] <Bou> type 'g15composer'
[23:27] <CharlesTell> lol bou, c'est vrai xD?
[23:27] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: No, just run `g15composer`
[23:27] <Bou> CharlesTell: yes, but english only here ;)
[23:27] <CharlesTell> charles@charles-desktop:~$ g15composer
[23:27] <CharlesTell> Please provide a FIFO filename to read from.
[23:27] <CharlesTell> ok bou
[23:27] <CharlesTell> :D
[23:27] <CharlesTell> bou what is mean FIFO XD?
[23:27] <Digital_Pioneer> Dr_willis: OK, he installed it, now you'll have to tell him how to use it. ;)
[23:27] <sts> hey all
[23:28] <CharlesTell> hey
[23:28] <Bou> Digital_Pioneer: héhé :)
[23:28] <CharlesTell> i tell him what xD?
[23:28] <rhys> hii
[23:28] <marlon__> ok
[23:28] <marlon__> eh
[23:28] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: FIFO means First In First Out. It's a virtual file.
[23:28] <BazBaz> hi guys, I am on gnome but trying to compile a kde app. I did:
[23:28] <BazBaz> $ sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a
[23:28] <BazBaz> $ sudo apt-get install libqt3-headers
[23:28] <BazBaz> but when I try to configure the make to the /usr folder (as recommended) I get the error that there  are no KDE headers installed
[23:28] <BazBaz> Anyone know where the headers would be if I am installing the kde libs like this?
[23:28] <CharlesTell> ho ... ok
[23:28] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: But you shouldn't need to worry about that. :)
[23:29] <CharlesTell> ok ^^
[23:29] <marlon__> hi guys i have my a website
[23:29] <CharlesTell> how i know what g15composer want ?
[23:29] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: Yes, you need the KDE dev packages too.
[23:29] <ae88925> Can anyone suggest a lighter-weight alternative to Konsole (but nicer than xterm)?
[23:29] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: may ask how i get em :)
[23:29] <Digital_Pioneer> CharlesTell: I don't know what a G15 is. ;)
[23:29] <CharlesTell> its a keyboard xD
[23:29] <marlon__> www.imarcus20.socialgo.com
[23:29] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: I would `apt-cache search kdelibs dev`
[23:29] <Bou> CharlesTell: quit, and try 'man g15composer' for some manual help
[23:30] <marlon__> eh?
[23:30] <marlon__> xD
[23:30] <marlon__> OD
[23:30] <marlon__> pop
[23:30] <CharlesTell> haaaa i have an help
[23:30] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: there is kdelibs4-dev and kdelibs5-dev, which do u recomend?
[23:31] <Bou> CharlesTell: good luch then..
[23:31] <Bou> *luck
[23:31] <CharlesTell> thx bou xD
[23:31] <Dr_willis> Digital_Pioneer,  i dont even rember what he was doing...
[23:31] <CharlesTell> i will need it
[23:31] <Bou> Dr_willis: he just installed g15composer
[23:32] <sts> which is the best irc clent for ubuntu?
[23:32] <Bou> and now wondering how to use it :)
[23:32] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: Ehhh, both? :P
[23:32] <Dr_willis> g15composer wont do much by itself.. read its docs.. :) its used by other g15 apps i recall
[23:32] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: hehe, ok
[23:32] <CharlesTell> oO"
[23:32] <marlon__> Digital_Pioneer
[23:32] <Dr_willis> g15daemon - Screen multiplexer for Logitech G15 Keyboard g15stats - a CPU/Memory/Swap usage meter for G15Daemon
[23:32] <CharlesTell> very hard to use
[23:32] <Dr_willis> Install/run those
[23:33] <Digital_Pioneer> marlon__: ?
[23:33] <CharlesTell> i run g15composer b
[23:33] <CharlesTell> and its says Sorry Cant connect to g15daemon
[23:33] <CharlesTell> xD
[23:33] <marlon__> yeah
[23:33] <IceBall> Someone, when i test audio in administration using oss, everything works, apps play music etc, but when i try to use a flash player, i.e youtube i get no sound and it crackles?
[23:33] <BazBaz> sts: i actually like the cleanliness of pidgin irc
[23:33] <Dr_willis> I would go get my G15 keyboard.. but this desk is too small for it. :)
[23:33] <CharlesTell> :s
[23:33] <BazBaz> sts: are u looking for DCC and hardcore irc'ing?
[23:33] <marlon__> Digital_Pioneer yeah
[23:34] <CharlesTell> G15 its amazing, when its work xD
[23:34] <Dr_willis> I use it for quick macros in my MMORPG's mainly
[23:34] <CharlesTell> yeah me too
[23:34] <Dr_willis> G1 = select and heal #1
[23:34] <CharlesTell> but ... i cant launch the macro
[23:34] <marlon_> Dr_willis  what game
[23:34]  * Bou suits his geek armor
[23:34] <Dr_willis> G13 = selet and BIG heal #1
[23:34] <Dr_willis> marlon_,  LOTOR mainly
[23:34] <CharlesTell> oO
[23:35] <marlon_> what that
[23:35] <Dr_willis> Lord Of the Rings Onlinx
[23:35] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: after those packages do i go for it again in the /usr dir?
[23:35] <CharlesTell> ok dr
[23:35] <sts> IceBall:  try firefox with plug for flash player
[23:36] <sts> yes BazBaz
[23:36] <CharlesTell> bou
[23:36] <CharlesTell> Bou*
[23:36] <Bou> yop?
[23:36] <IceBall> sts, it has one, i.e the utube vids load and play, but no sound
[23:36] <CharlesTell> with moniteur, i can do what i want ?
[23:37] <IceBall> sts, all sound from alsa crackles, im using oss
[23:37] <Bou> CharlesTell: moniteur?
[23:37] <CharlesTell> terminal
[23:37] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: I get a similar error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail
[23:37] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: After installing those, run configure again.
[23:37] <Bou> CharlesTell: what do you want to do?
[23:37] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: thats after the configure
[23:37] <Bou> CharlesTell: most things can be done via terminal
[23:38] <CharlesTell> ok, if i want to change directory of place
[23:38] <CharlesTell> i can?
[23:38] <Digital_Pioneer> BazBaz: Yes... You have to find where the klibs installed to.
[23:38] <Bou> CharlesTell: sure
[23:38] <CharlesTell> like all g15 directories in a special directory
[23:38] <CharlesTell> how can i do it ?
[23:38] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[23:38] <Dr_willis> what are you really trying todo CharlesTell  ?
[23:38] <Bou> CharlesTell: erm.. it won't work anymore if you do it I think
[23:38] <CharlesTell> just change the place
[23:39] <CharlesTell> move
[23:39] <BazBaz> searching my filesystem for 'klibs'... (is there a smarter way?)
[23:39] <CharlesTell> move files
[23:39] <CharlesTell> move files in a directory
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/libg15render-1.2
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/libg15-1.2.7
[23:39] <Bou> CharlesTell: moving the one you just installed? of the one that you downloaded?
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/g15lcd-1.2
[23:39] <CharlesTell> file:///home/charles/Bureau/g15composer-3.2
[23:39] <Dr_willis> CharlesTell,  and why are you trying todo this?
[23:39] <CharlesTell> just learn xD
[23:39] <Dr_willis> why did you not use the package manager to isntall the stuff and be done withit?
[23:39] <CharlesTell> hard to use ^^
[23:39] <powertool08> !fuse
[23:40] <Dr_willis> whats hard to use?
[23:40] <Bou> Dr_willis: we made him install it with apt
[23:40] <marlon_> brb
[23:40] <CharlesTell> yeah,
[23:40] <Dr_willis> apt is a package manager. ;)
[23:40] <CharlesTell> ^
[23:40] <CharlesTell> ok !
[23:40] <CharlesTell> but with synaptic i cant add what i want
[23:40] <sts> byeeeee and happy new year with love and pease.....
[23:40] <CharlesTell> :s
[23:40] <Bou> Dr_willis: but i guess he initiallt downloaded files instead of using apt
[23:41] <Dr_willis> synaptic and apt-get should  both isntall the saem stuff and work the same
[23:41] <Bou> CharlesTell: anyway, you can move the files
[23:41] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: I found a folder named 'klibc'... is that it?
[23:41] <powertool08> !fstab
[23:41] <Bou> CharlesTell: you can create a directory with 'mkdir'  and check 'man mv' to know how to move it into
[23:41] <CharlesTell> ok !
[23:42] <CharlesTell> i type : mkdir test
[23:42] <Bou> CharlesTell: now type 'ls'
[23:42] <Bou> you should see the 'test' directory
[23:42] <Dr_willis> It may be time to go track down a BASH/shell tutorial or 2  CharlesTell  :)
[23:42] <CharlesTell> i see it
[23:42] <CharlesTell> lol yes xD
[23:43] <CharlesTell> BASH/shell if different ?
[23:43] <Bou> 'mv' can be used to rename files or move them, so check the help to know the syntax
[23:43] <CharlesTell> i type man mv
[23:43] <CharlesTell> i see the manuel
[23:44] <BazBaz> Digital_Pioneer: I tried /usr, /user/lib, /user/lib/klibc, /usr/lib/kde4 >> all give the same msg "no KDE libraries installed" - what am i supposed to be looking for exactly?
[23:44] <CharlesTell> i type : mkdir test2, mv test test2
[23:44] <CharlesTell> its good ?
[23:45] <Bou> what do you want to do?
[23:45] <CharlesTell> just move test in test2
[23:45] <Dr_willis> Now is the time to start reading docs/tutoials :)
[23:45] <CharlesTell> i do it :P
[23:46] <CharlesTell> yes ^
[23:46] <CharlesTell> i will do it :D
[23:46] <Dr_willis> You will learn more that way
[23:46] <CharlesTell> thank you very much
[23:46] <CharlesTell> to all :)
[23:46] <Bou> going to bed
[23:46] <Bou> good night all
[23:46] <CharlesTell> Dr_willis and Bou ^
[23:46] <CharlesTell> good night
[23:46] <Bou> or good morning,afternoon, whatever
[23:46] <CharlesTell> its 00:46
[23:46] <CharlesTell> xD
[23:47] <Bou> CharlesTell: you forget Digital_Pioneer ;)
[23:47] <Bou> bye
[23:47] <CharlesTell> yeah
[23:47] <CharlesTell> i dont forget him
[23:47] <CharlesTell> Digital_Pioneer was the principal xD
[23:47] <CharlesTell> but he left
[23:47] <CharlesTell> ?
[23:49] <Itaku> how can i change the clock from 24 hour to 12 hour?
[23:51] <judgen> !lircd
[23:51] <judgen> !lirc
[23:51] <judgen> dang
[23:52] <judgen> How do i get my remote to work?
[23:52] <judgen> ive tried so many guides not
[23:52] <CharlesTell> goodbye all :)
[23:52] <CharlesTell> see ya
[23:53] <fyn> What's the best way to share control of some running applications?  I want to let my gf use amarok and ktorrent.  I know I can use VNC to export the whole desktop, but that's not quite what I want.    Maybe nxwindows handles it somehow?
[23:55] <fyn> Alternatively, what's the best way to remotely control Amarok from OSX?  I've seen web interfaces floating around, any good ones?  Any of them make it into the ubuntu repos?


[06:08] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[06:31] <sakhi> morning
[09:18] <Kilos> howdy all of you
[15:31] <Kilos> afternoon all of ya
[15:32] <Kilos> someone asked here quite a while back if you can take a hdd with winsucks from one pc to another and i said no and no one corrected me
[15:32] <Kilos> you can but you need a winsucks cd
[15:33] <Kilos> then you boot from cd and go the install route till you get to F8 and then take the recovery route and it works
[15:35] <Kilos> with xp anyway. dunno ab out 7 and 8
[15:35] <Kilos> ab/about
[15:36] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:36]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:36] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[15:36] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[15:36] <Kilos> ok
[15:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:40] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:40] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:48] <Kilos> lol inetpro ek het hulle mooi per epos gevra om my geld terug te gee
[15:49] <Kilos> wil jy saam lag
[15:56] <Kilos> eks seker hulle sal nie eers antwoord nie
[16:28] <zeref> hmmmmmm
[16:34] <MeesterArend> for those who would like to know with xp "corporate" u can move the hdd from one pc to another and only need to install driver that changed with win7 i'm not sure never tried
[16:35] <Kilos> ty MeesterArend
[16:35] <Kilos> lo zeref
[16:36] <zeref> hi Kilos
[16:36] <zeref> MeesterArend: xp corporate??
[16:37] <MeesterArend> yes no need to register...which the other requiereas soon as something changes
[16:40] <zeref> so the main diff between xp pro and corporate is activation..o0o0
[16:43] <Kilos> and costs
[16:43] <Kilos> better to know someone
[16:43] <Kilos> i forget xp is old
[16:45] <MeesterArend> :)
[16:46] <Kilos> win7 one is called ultimate hey?
[16:47] <Kilos> who knows what it costs
[16:52] <Kilos> maybe maaz
[16:52] <Kilos> maaz google cost of win7 cd in south africa
[16:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Buy and Compare Software > Computers & Software > Software ..." http://www.pricecheck.co.za/categories/114/Software/ :: "Cheap Original Software! Windows 7 Ultimate Price Comparison ..." http://cssa.unl.edu:7777/6619=Windows-7-Ultimate-Price-Comparison-Canada.html :: "Viewsonic » ViewPad 10 Tablet | VPAD10" http://www.viewsonic.com/products/vpad10.htm :: "Video CD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vid
[16:54] <nlsthzn> Kilos, here the standard version costs R1000
[16:54] <Kilos> whew
[16:54] <Kilos> you still here nlsthzn
[16:55] <Kilos> oh there you mean
[16:55] <nlsthzn> Yup, UAE
[16:55] <nlsthzn> No idea in SA
[16:55] <Kilos> you were off so long we dunno where you are
[16:55] <Kilos> the ultimate version must cost a packet
[16:56] <nlsthzn> Too much I am sure
[16:57] <zeref> meh, my mom go t a netbook, with win7 starter
[16:57] <zeref> sooo slow
[16:57] <Kilos> yeah i saw on my boets pc
[16:58] <Kilos> its very large win7 is. the dvd is 3.3g
[16:59] <zeref> bloat :P
[16:59] <Kilos> hehe
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat now
[16:59] <Kilos> bbl
[17:22] <MeesterArend> best of all one can't realy say what extra'sare using the extra space
[17:22] <MeesterArend> and unless u go for ultimate it's almost useless
[17:23] <nlsthzn> Ultimate has nothing of use to me...
[17:23] <MeesterArend> ubuntu have the same usebility
[17:24] <MeesterArend> :0
[17:28] <Kilos> biggest prob nlsthzn is lotsa software for other goodies like palm scanners and security stuff is all upgrading so that they only work on win7
[17:30] <Kilos> clocking in and out devices etc
[17:32] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I use Windows... just not "Ultimate" editions ;)
[17:33] <nlsthzn> Time for Witcher 2 for me... be back tomorrow most probably
[17:48] <Kilos> all my sympathy nlsthzn
[17:48] <Kilos> toodles
[17:55] <Mezenir> lol
[17:55] <Mezenir> what u mean sympathy
[17:55] <Mezenir> witcher 2 is awesome
[17:55] <Mezenir> o
[17:55] <Mezenir> windows
[17:56] <Mezenir> thats what i get for reading the last few lines
[17:56] <Mezenir> :p
[17:56] <Mezenir> only reason i want windows is for games
[17:56] <Mezenir> but i dont want professional so badly that ill pull out 2k for it
[17:57] <Mezenir> if they had the occasional 50 % off christmas special theyd do a lot better in the retail market
[17:58] <Mezenir> large companies usually become partners anyway so they dont care
[18:06] <nlsthzn> First need to get another patch for witcher :/
[18:06] <Mezenir> mmm
[18:06] <Mezenir> really ?
[18:06] <Mezenir> was buggy at the start
[18:06] <Mezenir> but i think it was ok after version 1.3.5
[18:07] <Mezenir> the one where they added the dark difficulty mode
[18:26] <nlsthzn> Mezenir, 2.0 adds a lot it seems too
[18:33] <Kilos> lol no man sympathy for needing to use winsucks
[18:33] <Kilos> sorry i was making onion puffs
[18:34] <Kilos> lol i just did the same
[18:34] <nlsthzn> I have been using Windows long enough to know how to handle it :p
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> nlsthzn,  you happy to be back there in ahab land
[18:36] <Kilos> i actually tried to install 7 here but it says i must upgrade my pc
[18:36] <nlsthzn> Oh wow... that sucks... and Windows 7 is much less resource hungry than Vista
[18:37] <nlsthzn> got to go... toodles
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <Kilos> night all sleep tight