[00:26] <chaselivingston> ping mmcc: around?
[00:55] <mmcc> chaselivingston: EOD a little while ago, just checked in and saw your ping. I'll be back a bit tonight, maybe email me? or I'll just catch you tomorrow
[00:56] <chaselivingston> mmcc: cool, i'll email you
[09:59] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :-D
[10:25] <ramon> Happy Friday ;)
[10:26] <czajkowski> mandel`: mandel two of you!
[10:29] <mandel> czajkowski, yes, bip server issues :)
[12:01] <alecu> mandel: hello!
[12:07] <gatox> good morniing
[12:31] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:32] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[13:03] <gatox> people, ralsina is having issues with his internet connection, and he can't leave his home at this moment.. just to let you know
[13:17] <gatox> the sync menu is looking gooood! :D
[13:35] <mandel> alecu, hello!
[13:35] <mandel> alecu, sorry I was out for lunch
[13:37] <alecu> hola mandel!
[13:37] <alecu> mandel: any news about the demo?
[13:38] <alecu> mandel: did you got my latest branch?
[13:39] <mandel> alecu, yes, I saw your latests branch, so far I have no idea about the demo, we should ash ralsina
[13:44] <dobey> gatox: so what does it look like?
[13:45] <gatox> dobey, like it works :P
[13:45] <gatox> (the new one)
[13:46] <alecu> mandel: have you pushed the unity branch that fixes the state machine?
[13:47] <dobey> gatox: i was hoping for pictures :)
[13:47] <gatox> dobey, let me add the progress bar and i'll have pretty pictures :P
[13:48] <mandel> alecu, not yet, let me finish a fix I have and send it to you
[13:59] <dobey> gatox: how about a reivew of https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-data/move-icons/+merge/124425 ? :)
[13:59] <gatox> on it
[14:04] <mandel> alecu, pushed to lp:~mandel/avani/u1-payment-preview there are BIG problems with the new layout of things and the new fonts, fixing them at the moment
[14:04] <gatox> dobey, +1
[14:04] <mandel> alecu, you will see that the transition to the new preview is broken, so we have to add extra code to DashView.cpp to know how to do it correctly
[14:06] <alecu> mandel: what about the password entry box?
[14:06] <alecu> mandel: does it still show the password contents???
[14:07] <mandel> alecu, yes, major bug there.. even doing the following: lp:~alecu/avani/unity-lens-music.ubuntuone-purchase does not work
[14:07] <mandel> alecu, I need to debug nux :(
[14:07] <mandel> alecu, I don't think it really supports it, but is easy to implement
[14:09] <alecu> mandel: right
[14:09] <alecu> mandel: the thing is that to complete a purchase right now you need to use your real password, so make sure to change it after your demo :-)
[14:09] <mandel> alecu, sorry, pasted the wrong code, I meant doing: password_entry_->text_entry()->SetPasswordMode(true)
[14:10] <alecu> mandel: ah, "even doing"... the above.
[14:16] <mandel> alecu, yes, and we just found the error, a bug in nux
[14:17] <mandel> alecu, doing a workaround right now
[14:23] <mandel> alecu, if you pull you will have a copy with no public password
[14:23] <alecu> mandel: great, thanks!
[14:24] <mandel> alecu, I'll keep improving the ui to make the layout work.. we lack a grid layout or a form layout in nux so getting the things right with HLayout and VLayout is a hard thing to do :-/
[14:39] <gatox> alecu, ping
[14:39] <alecu> gatox: pong
[14:39] <gatox> alecu, pm
[14:45]  * dobey wonders when ralsina will have internet again
[14:53] <gatox> dobey, do you need me to send him a sms?
[14:53] <dobey> no
[14:53] <dobey> and i can do that if i need to anyway :)
[14:54] <dobey> irc-sms gateway == win
[14:56] <mmcc_> good morning everyone
[14:56] <gatox> mmcc_, hi
[14:57] <mmcc> hi gatox!
[14:58] <ralsina> dobey: here I am!
[14:58] <facundobatista> does anybody know where the "temp-directory" is set for the tests when I run "make test" in the client?
[14:59] <ralsina> I am changing ISPs on monday, so hopefully this will not happen again
[14:59] <ralsina> yeah right
[14:59] <dobey> heh
[15:00] <thisfred> me
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <dobey> facundobatista: it's set to the default trial directory; do you need to change it for a test run?
[15:00] <dobey> me
[15:01] <facundobatista> dobey, where the default trial directory is set? my problem is that it's being set to an unicode path and this break an assertion in code
[15:01] <mandel> facundobatista, isn't it in devtools?
[15:01] <dobey> in trial
[15:01] <facundobatista> mandel, can not find where
[15:01] <mandel> facundobatista, sets the env variable, right dobey?
[15:01] <mmcc> me
[15:01] <alecu> oh, me
[15:01] <dobey> it's os.path.join(os.getcwd(), '_trial_temp') by default
[15:02] <gatox> thisfred, go 12:02
[15:02] <facundobatista> dobey, where's that? if I run that in a clean python env, I get bytes path
[15:02] <thisfred> DONE: being sickish TODO: finish private u1db server API | make playlists work with that API BLOCKED: no NEXT: gatox
[15:02] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Moving forward with the SyncMenu implementation in u1-client. Trying to get the timer to work to update the progress of the files being uploading.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Finish with the sync menu implementation.
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> dobey, go
[15:02] <dobey> facundobatista:         trial_temp_dir = os.environ.get('TRIAL_TEMP_DIR', os.getcwd())
[15:02] <dobey> DONE: team call, stopped u1client-data FFe/UIFe, researched webapps packaging, bug #1050923
[15:02] <dobey> TODO: reviews, new icons?, webapp package
[15:03] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:03] <dobey> mmcc: go
[15:03] <mmcc> DONE: helped lisette with daemon issues, root daemon version checking / upgrading
[15:03] <mmcc> TODO: daemon event processing bug with move
[15:03] <mmcc> BLOK: daemon upgrade runs into apparent bug in apple code or docs,
[15:03] <mmcc> NEXT: alecu
[15:03] <alecu> DONE: lens now contacts all required webservices and completes a purchase
[15:03] <alecu> TODO: handle lots of errors and corner cases, lots more tests
[15:03] <alecu> BLOCKED: no!
[15:03] <alecu> NEXT: ralsina, when he gets back
[15:03] <dobey> facundobatista: that bit is in dev-tools
[15:03] <alecu> oh, he's here!
[15:04] <facundobatista> dobey, ok, that I get bytes
[15:04] <facundobatista> dobey, but next line does:
[15:04] <facundobatista>         homedir = os.path.join(trial_temp_dir, options['temp-directory'])
[15:04] <facundobatista> and that options['temp-directory'] is unicode for me
[15:04] <facundobatista> and I can not find where options['temp-directory'] is set
[15:04] <dobey> facundobatista: it is set in trial itself
[15:05] <dobey> facundobatista: but in dev-tools we use unicode_literals, and maybe something is causing that to be unicode as well
[15:05] <briancurtin> DONE: banging on tests, loving python3
[15:05] <briancurtin> TODO: keep on porting, hopefully get to a point where the devtools branch can be merged without breaking SSO
[15:05] <alecu> briancurtin: standup!
[15:06] <ralsina> me (and hey, I am just connecting ;-)
[15:06] <dobey> facundobatista: oh, sorry it's set in dev-tools
[15:06] <dobey> facundobatista:                      ['temp-directory', None, '_trial_temp', None],
[15:07] <ralsina> DONE: calls, fought the ISP man, and the ISP man won, 1-1s, some reviews, planning TODO: catchup, decisions BLOCKED: not yet
[15:22] <facundobatista> dobey, yeap
[15:23] <facundobatista> alecu, dobey, so, we're setting the _trial_temp directory to unicode, and then in expand_user() in the client we assert isinstance(result, str)
[15:24] <facundobatista> alecu, dobey, what should we do?
[15:25] <facundobatista> alecu, dobey, if we remove the
[15:25] <facundobatista>                      ['temp-directory', None, '_trial_temp', None],
[15:25] <facundobatista> line,
[15:25] <dobey> facundobatista: and a test in client is failing?
[15:25] <facundobatista> it uses the same value from twisted, that is bytes
[15:25] <facundobatista> dobey, yeap
[15:26] <facundobatista> dobey, u1trial -t TestRequestQueue.test_with_one_run tests/syncdaemon/test_action_queue.py
[15:26] <facundobatista> a bunch in there, but only because they use expand_user()
[15:26] <facundobatista> I mean, not the test is failing
[15:26] <facundobatista> it uses expand_user, production code, that has an assert that explodes to the temp dir that is being set when running the tests
[15:29] <dobey> huh, why is it not failing in tarmac or nightlies?
[15:30] <facundobatista> dobey, it's a very good question
[15:33]  * gatox lunch + errands
[15:35] <facundobatista> dobey, maybe something is not really updated?
[15:36] <facundobatista> dobey, in nessita's machine (I'm here with her), that has an english machine and all updated, it fails also with the same
[15:36] <nessita> facundobatista: you wanted this output? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1204997/
[15:36] <dobey> facundobatista: no, everything is updated in tarmac/nightlies. it fails for me doing the u1trial -t to only run that test, but if i do u1trial tests/syncdaemon/test_action_queue.py it passes
[15:37] <facundobatista> dobey, oh
[15:37] <dobey> facundobatista: so perhaps there is some issue with isolation in that file?
[15:37] <facundobatista> ugly indeed
[15:37] <facundobatista> dobey, or maybe it just changes the order in how options are taken
[15:38] <facundobatista> dobey, remember that u-dev-tools are setting (in unicode) the same setting that twisted does (in bytes)
[15:38] <facundobatista> so, if u-dev-tools one comes second, all breaks, if twisted comes second, all works
[15:39] <facundobatista> (the "comes first/second" that I mean is in u-dev-tools/devtools/utils.py, _parse_arguments)
[15:40] <dobey> facundobatista: i don't think that's possible?
[15:40] <facundobatista> dobey, the order change?
[15:41] <dobey> yes
[15:44] <facundobatista> dobey, I'm checking that right now
[15:45] <facundobatista> dobey, no order change: if you don't run with the "-t", the u-dev-tools are not set into the game
[15:46] <facundobatista> dobey, so, without "-t" (even running the whole test file, not the whole test suite), only the twisted's 'temp-directory' option is taken
[15:46] <dobey> if i print repr of the default value, u'_trial_temp' is printed second in both cases
[15:46] <dobey> facundobatista: how did you determine that?
[15:47] <facundobatista> dobey, in u-dev-tools' utils.py, put this print:
[15:47] <facundobatista>         print("[15:47] <facundobatista> in line 44 (before list_obj is extended)
[15:47] <facundobatista> dobey, it tells you where the options are, and from where they came
[15:53] <dobey> facundobatista: both are added in both cases, for me, afaict
[15:54] <dobey> facundobatista: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1205030/ is what i see
[15:55] <facundobatista> dobey, which print did you put?
[15:55] <dobey>         print('==add[15:56] <facundobatista> dobey, really? I see a lot more of addings, not only those two each time
[15:56] <facundobatista> ah, you're grepping, sorry
[15:56] <dobey> right :)
[15:59] <dobey> facundobatista: i need to get something to eat, but i think the first thing we need to do is figure out why it isn't failing in the case of running the whole suite, and fix it to ensure it always fails. will poke a little more after lunch :)
[16:00] <dobey> bbiab
[16:16] <facundobatista> dobey, I also put a print in the expand_user, call, see this:
[16:17] <facundobatista> when running only that test: https://pastebin.canonical.com/74581/
[16:17] <facundobatista> when running everything: https://pastebin.canonical.com/74582/
[16:17] <facundobatista> in the second pastebin, the _trial_temp is broken, but if you go to line 1060 you see that expand_user is not being called for that same test!
[16:18] <facundobatista> dobey, *probably* because the expand_user() call comes from a chain of calls regarding configuration, and the config is already up from another value?
[16:32] <mandel> alecu, just pushed a version to lp:~mandel/avani/u1-payment-preview with a decent text input (first version, I need to clean the code) but does have the bits we need, looks like the search bar and has password support
[16:33] <mandel> alecu, in case you want to take a look
[16:37] <mandel> EOD here, see you all!
[16:37] <mandel> EOD here, see you all on monday!
[16:37] <mandel> have a great women
[16:47] <ralsina> "have a great women"? WAT
[16:55] <briancurtin> nice, the whole vmware program froze...
[17:05] <ralsina> briancurtin: detailed emulation.
[17:12] <briancurtin> :)
[17:26] <dobey> facundobatista: ah, possibly
[17:28] <dobey> facundobatista: though weird that it's not unicode in any of those other tests, no?
[17:35] <facundobatista> dobey, indeed
[17:37] <dobey> facundobatista: ah, i wonder if it's one of the things that patches user_home?
[17:39] <dobey> ah-ha!
[17:39] <dobey> indeed
[17:40] <alecu> "have a great women" indeed, mandel!
[17:40] <dobey> facundobatista: it's because BaseTwistedTestcase in u1client (in contrib.testing.testcase) patches ubuntuone.platform.user_home, so when you run that one test alone, it doesn't happen because it doesn't use that test case, but only the twisted test case
[17:41] <facundobatista> dobey, great you found it!
[17:43] <dobey> facundobatista: but now, how to fix it? kill the patching of user_home in that test case?
[17:44] <dobey> facundobatista: indeed, without that, i get a LOT of failures :)
[17:47] <facundobatista> dobey, *one* way to fix it is to remove this line from u-devtools
[17:47] <facundobatista>                   ['temp-directory', None, '_trial_temp', None],
[17:48] <dobey> facundobatista: or make it be b'_trial_temp' instead rather
[17:48] <dobey> facundobatista: but that also doesn't fix the problem of the tests not failing when it should :)
[17:48] <facundobatista> dobey, ah, yes :)
[17:49] <dobey> well i made the tests fail, then pass again; only changing u1client, but i don't know if we want an .encode() there
[18:18] <dobey> mmcc: ping
[18:19] <mmcc> what's up dobey?
[18:19] <dobey> mmcc: hey. i'm making a branch to windows-installer to add ubuntuone-client-data to the sourcedeps branches; i see in the plist file a couple of references to .icns files, but don't see them anywhere. are they just not being included yet?
[18:20] <mmcc> looking…
[18:22] <mmcc> yeah, the icns is just on my system. I didn't include it because I knew you were working on icon stuff
[18:23] <mmcc> now that you point it out, the plist has a redundant entry for the icon :) only one of those needs to exist
[18:24] <dobey> ok. i know basically nothing about plist files. can i point it to a file inside the tree of a sourcedep?
[18:25] <mmcc> the plist is only read by the app once it's bundled, so it only needs the filename, and setup-mac will have to copy from wherever the sourcedep is into the app wrapper
[18:26] <mmcc> feel free to assign me a bug for making it do that, just let me know where to find client-data in the buildout - I'm assuming parts/ubuntuone-client-data/ if you're just adding it like the other sourcedeps
[18:28] <dobey> ah ok
[18:28] <dobey> i am just adding it like the other sourcedeps
[18:35] <dobey> brb
[19:38] <dobey> hrmm, maybe i should put it under sources, rather than sourcedeps
[19:39] <dobey> mmcc: where inside the tree does it need to be copied to, to add it to the .app?
[19:41] <mmcc> dobey: not sure what you're asking - are you changing setup-mac or something else?
[19:41] <dobey> mmcc: yeah, to copy the ubuntuone.icns in
[19:42] <mmcc> ok, actually no need to change code in setup-mac -- as long as ubuntuone.icns is in the buildout/scripts/data/ directory, setup-mac will grab it and put it in the right place
[19:43] <mmcc> oh, but if there's a setup in client-data, setup-mac should call that in the prepare step, then copy the result in to scripts/data
[19:43] <dobey> ah, it's in a separate project. i'm fixing u1-win-installer to pull that project with buildout, and pull the icons for mac/win
[19:43] <mmcc> make sense?
[19:44] <dobey> well the .ico and .icns are just stored in vcs; setup.py doesn't isntall them. and generating the icons on mac/win will be painful
[19:44] <mmcc> is the icns generated by client-data or just stored?
[19:44] <mmcc> ah ok
[19:44] <dobey> both
[19:44] <dobey> if you change the .svg and run the build_png or build_icns command, it will want to regenerate the PNGs, and then regenerate the icns file
[19:45] <dobey> well build_icns will regenerate the icns file
[19:45] <dobey> which we will need to do on mac at some point
[19:45] <mmcc> ok, but if I just grab a new branch, the icns will be there?
[19:46] <mmcc> then we just need to add something like what we do for the certs in setup-mac.py:407 -- just copy the .icns into data/ in the prepare step
[19:46] <dobey> yes
[19:47] <mmcc> yeah, just a simple shutil.copyfile and you're set
[19:47] <dobey> but i need to change client-data a bit, becuase the png2icns tool on linux doesn't support the fancy @2x sizes and such
[19:47] <dobey> ah ok, to data/ then
[19:47] <mmcc> yep
[20:02] <gatox> eod here!! need to start preparing the things for the PyDay Cba... i'll see some of you tomorrow! bye! :D
[20:08] <dobey> mmcc, briancurtin: i'll request you both as reviewers for this branch…
[20:08] <mmcc> sounds good
[20:10] <dobey> mmcc, briancurtin: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-windows-installer/add-data/+merge/124509
[20:10] <briancurtin> looking
[20:18] <mmcc> argh crashy emacs
[20:23] <mmcc> dobey, in setup-mac.py, the line "+        os.chdir(os.path.join("sources", "ubuntuone-client-data"))" should have os.path.join(self.source_dir, "ubuntuone-client-data") instead
[20:23] <mmcc> usually the sources aren't in sources/, they're in devsetup/parts
[20:23] <mmcc> which is the default for source_dir…
[20:28] <dobey> ah. i was actually editing the plain setup.py when i made that change, and copy/pasted it; i wonder if it should be using self.source_dir too, or is that different between darwin and win?
[20:30] <mmcc> I think it's different
[20:30] <mmcc> yeah, looks like the windows setup assumes everything's in sources/
[20:31] <dobey> yeah, it does. wondering if that is broken though
[20:33] <briancurtin> dobey: i have a change you'll need to make in conf.py to include client-data in the fetch command for the build_installer.py script
[20:33] <briancurtin> re-running it right now then will post it
[20:34] <dobey> ah, i see
[20:37] <dobey> briancurtin: fixed/pushed
[20:55] <briancurtin> dobey: NameError on sp_revno...but it doesn't appear in trunk either
[20:56] <briancurtin> although it doesnt seem to fail on trunk either, at least as far as i know. trying now
[20:57] <mmcc> pyflakes tells me there's also a (not new to this branch) typo'd "URL" instead of "url" on line 376 of setup.py…
[20:58] <dobey> briancurtin: oh; i see the windows setup.py isn't building storage-protocol either
[20:58] <dobey> briancurtin: why is that?
[20:59] <briancurtin> no idea
[21:00] <mmcc> I don't think it needs to
[21:01] <dobey> where does it get the _pb2.py files which are built by protobuf from?
[21:01] <dobey> setup-mac.py does build it
[21:02] <briancurtin> dobey: that might be a part of the environment setup, since i know i had to add a way to download and locally install the protoc compiler. i
[21:02] <briancurtin> i'll check on that
[21:03] <alecu> ok, this is an early EOW for me. bye all!
[21:07] <dobey> briancurtin: ok. i can remove that one for now as it wasn't there before. i had presumed it was overlooked (didn't actually check the code)
[21:08] <briancurtin> dobey: i'm running it without sp_revno right now. that appears to have been the last thing
[21:09] <dobey> briancurtin: removed the sp_revno usage, and pushed
[21:15] <mmcc> dobey, works for me, +1
[21:15] <mmcc> brb
[21:16] <briancurtin> dobey: works, approving now
[21:17] <dobey> great, thanks guys
[21:30] <mmcc> ok, lunchtime here. if you guys leave before i get back, have a great weekend. or a great women, your choice
[21:31] <dobey> both! :)
[21:31] <dobey> have a great weekend all!
[21:31] <briancurtin> hahaha
[23:07] <mmcc> ok, heading out. if I hear back from apple's dev support guy about this code signing issue I'm having I might be back later to fix it. great women and men to everyone!


[00:23] <neso> hi guys
[00:24] <neso> need litl help
[00:32] <GridCube> !details | neso
[00:33] <neso> ok sorry
[00:33] <neso> im runing ubuntu 12.04 (i know this is for xubuntu) but will try :)
[00:34] <neso> i install today ubuntu 12.04 and ubuntu dont detect my 3G usb modem >here is problem
[00:34] <neso> i try with usb_modeswitch but nothing
[00:35] <neso> lsusb > Bus 001 Device 0012: ID 1bbb:0000 T & A  Mobile Phones
[00:36] <neso> any help?
[00:54] <neso> guys?
[00:54] <GridCube> :(
[00:54] <GridCube> i cant find anything
[00:55] <neso> ah
[00:55] <neso> i try what i find but nothing
[00:55] <neso> is there other way to install modem_manager in offline mode?
[00:55] <GridCube> i don't know
[00:55] <GridCube> !3g
[00:56] <neso> and bot told u ...i dont know nothing about 3G lol
[00:57] <GridCube> mmhm yes
[00:58] <GridCube> so neso to be clear, you opened nm-connection-editor went to movil broadband and you couldnt configure your modem, correct?
[00:59] <neso> yes
[00:59] <neso> i enter APN and save
[00:59] <neso> but dont show mobile broadband in network
[01:00] <GridCube> :(
[01:00] <neso> i use linux mint few hours ago and all work ok...and watch on youtube review for ubuntu and like it but nothing
[01:01] <GridCube> :/
[01:02] <GridCube> sorry neso i don't know
[01:03] <GridCube> you can wait for smarter people to come
[01:03] <neso> ah nah plus dont wanna back to windows
[01:04] <neso> Grid is there other way to install mp3 plugin in offline mode?
[01:05] <Unit193> You can do it by using another computer.
[01:05] <GridCube> you can get all the debs
[01:06] <neso> how?sorry im new in linux world
[01:06] <genii-around> !offline
[01:06] <neso> thanks
[01:06] <Unit193> !info apt-offline
[01:06] <GridCube> !info apt-offline
[01:06] <GridCube> lol
[01:06] <Unit193> I win! :D
[01:06] <GridCube> :)
[01:07] <GridCube> i did it in private first XD
[01:54] <StormStrikes> Can anyone tell me what the command is to launch VirtualBox?  Im trying to add it to the taskmanager launcher
[01:55] <Unit193> You can find out, open a terminal and type  virt<tab><tab>
[01:55] <Unit193> (I don't have it installed on this one)
[01:56] <StormStrikes> oh wow, I did not know you could do that, thanks.  I will give it a try now and see if it works
[01:57] <Unit193> Folders and basically everything else work like that too, even IRC nicks.
[01:57] <StormStrikes> Im not afraid to use the terminal, but apparently I have not even begun to use it to its fullest extent
[01:59] <GridCube> vboxmanage
[02:00] <StormStrikes> that command didnt work
[02:02] <StormStrikes> wow, that easier than I thought, I was searching all over the file structure, /bin folder, etc. and could not find it.  Teminal command made it a snap.
[02:02] <GridCube> :|
[02:05] <Unit193> StormStrikes: dpkg -L virtualbox |grep bin
[02:06] <StormStrikes> tells me the package is not installed, yet I have fired it up and it was running
[02:06] <Unit193> THen it's another package exactly, I just guessed. :P
[02:07] <StormStrikes> Can you use the wildcard character in that command?
[02:07] <StormStrikes> nope
[02:08] <Unit193> dpkg -l |grep virtualbox to find the exact name.
[02:08] <GridCube> StormStrikes, just use vboxmanage
[02:09] <StormStrikes> GridCube: Yeah, I got it set up on the taskmanager now.  I was just curious as to why I could not find it in the /bin folder
[02:09] <GridCube> whereis vboxmanage
[02:09] <GridCube> its there :/
[02:10] <StormStrikes> vbox manage is in the /user/bin folder
[02:11] <GridCube> mmhm i see
[04:00] <bobbyyu> I can't use the floppy drive in the latest version of Xubuntu (Precise Pangolin). When I tried sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy, it says "fd0 is not a valid block device."
[07:54] <xubuntu982> I'm looking for anyone that can help me - I want to install xubuntu on a Pentium 3 950mhz with 128mb RAM - Can this be done? Will this be usable?
[07:57] <xubuntu982> I anyone here?
[07:57] <xubuntu982> :P Is anyone here?
[07:58] <Unit193> I'd personally not use Xubuntu with that. :P
[07:58] <xubuntu982> I'm trying to get educational programs working for a school, but they have very limited hardware
[08:00] <xubuntu982> I'm trying to get educational programs working for a school, but they have very limited hardware [09:59] == nanotube [~nanotube@unaffi
[08:00] <xubuntu982> I keep on getting TimedOut... hope my messages are getting through
[08:01] <Unit193> They are, there's no need to repeat them.
[08:02] <xubuntu982> Great :P
[08:02] <ruien> well it depends on what you mean by usable
[08:02] <ruien> I mean you could create 4GB of swap and anything would be "usable"
[08:02] <xubuntu982> The school that I work at as some old unused Pentium 3 computers. I was hoping to load linux on there to make the computers usable again
[08:03] <ruien> but I personally would not want to be locked into a room with the same machine.
[08:03] <ruien> yes, you can, but a distribution like Ubuntu includes a very large amount of "stuff".
[08:04] <ruien> You could technically make a program that serves web pages and runs in 5MB of space on a system with a couple of MBs of physical RAM, so what is usable depends on your needs
[08:04] <ruien> if you can describe how the machines would be used, we might be able to make a better assessment or recommendation
[08:04] <xubuntu982> Thats what I'm trying to find out. Ubuntu has very nice educational software, but the desktop environment is "heavy"too much for a pentium 3
[08:05] <ruien> Yes, Xubuntu would help that, and I don't think Xfce in and of itself is too heavy for a pentium. Your problem really is RAM
[08:05] <ruien> swap space is essentially free ram, so you can add as much as you want, but it's slow.
[08:06] <xubuntu982> I have 10 Pentium 3 computers in a Primary School. I want to be able to install and run the educational games so as to help the disadvantaged kids familiarize themselves with computer use, etc
[08:06] <ruien> Okay, so you won't need a web browser?
[08:07] <Unit193> He'd be better off going with !mini and openbox, really. :/
[08:07] <ruien> yes, I'm thinking something like that
[08:08] <ruien> a small debian system would work.  AntiX or SliTaz, really.
[08:09] <xubuntu982> I would like a GUI that behaves similar to ubuntu, which is quite easy and intuitive (Gnome Classic I mean_
[08:10] <xubuntu982> i've heard about antiX
[08:11] <ruien> Xfce by itself is not bad or too heavy on resources. But Xubuntu is Xfce + Ubuntu and the "Ubuntu" part of that is really heavy
[08:11] <ruien> you could install a window manager (or even gnome classic, sure) onto a thin distribution
[08:11] <xubuntu982> Mmm... okay, but can I install ubuntu software on AniX?
[08:12] <xubuntu982> Thin distribution? sorry I'm a bit of a noob... :(
[08:12] <ruien> oh, a distribution is just the "bundle" of linux you're getting
[08:12] <xubuntu982> ubuntu software centre makes it easy to install the educational games... will this be be possible with AntiX?
[08:12] <ruien> technicall "linux" by itself is just one file - the kernel -
[08:13] <ruien> no, you won't have a ubuntu software center. That's part of the bloat that makes Ubuntu (and, by extension, Xubuntu) really big
[08:13] <ruien> it's not bad bloat. It's good bloat (that's why we use it)
[08:13] <ruien> but that's also what you're trying to avoid when using very weak machines with almost no RAM
[08:14] <ruien> antiX is debian-based, so you can still "apt-get install" stuff to install it
[08:14] <ruien> but not all of the ubuntu software will be available
[08:16] <ruien> I guess to answer your question: yes, you can definitely use linux to do what you want to do. But there may be a learning curve, and the more you want to learn, the better the final product will perform. If you have any specific questions, let us know
[08:18] <xubuntu982> Will do and thank you for your help
[08:22] <xubuntu982> Last question, if XFCE is light enough and ubuntu is the distro of choice, can I customize ubuntu during install to be light enough
[08:22] <Unit193> Best bet would be to use the "netinst" and just install what's needed.
[08:23] <Unit193> I'd recommend the shimmer-theme pack though, so it looks good. :P
[08:32] <xubuntu982> best bet is to use the "netinst" what is that?
[08:32] <Unit193> !mini
[08:33] <xubuntu982> Great! Thank for your help
[08:33] <xubuntu982> Have a good one
[10:32] <martinphone> which one is better? stardict or goldendict?
[10:33] <bazhang> try them and choose.
[10:35] <martinphone> bazhang, do you know, by chance, where to get dictionaries for any of the 2 apps?
[10:50] <Belserusk> How do I add roms in gnome-video-arcade?
[12:04] <hemza_> hello. I want to upgrade from Ubuntu10.04 to Xubuntu12.04.
[12:04] <baizon> hemza_: run update-manager -d
[12:05] <baizon> hemza_: a from ubuntu to xubuntu
[12:06] <baizon> hemza_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64241/how-do-i-switch-to-xubuntu
[12:06] <hemza_> baizon, is that conserve my Gnome 2 desktop
[12:06] <baizon> first install xubuntu, then do the upgrade
[12:06] <Pici> There is no gnome2 on 12.04.
[12:07] <baizon> yes
[12:07] <baizon> gnome 3 or xfce
[12:08] <hemza_> baizon, thank you so much friend
[12:08] <baizon> np
[13:32] <Triall> hi all
[13:33] <Triall> hey you!
[13:33] <Triall> any body....
[13:34] <Triall> hello
[13:36] <ruien> hello
[15:43] <xubuntu593> hi, i have installed xubuntu in my notebook and when I try to restart it without using pendrive boot disk, it doesn't work.
[15:43] <xubuntu593> who can help me on this?
[15:43] <baizon> xubuntu593: check boot settings
[15:43] <baizon> after that check grub
[15:45] <xubuntu593> how can I check grub? boot settings from bios are ok using hard disk.
[15:45] <baizon> update-grub2
[15:45] <baizon> sudo update-grub2
[15:47] <xubuntu593> it doesn't work... command not found
[15:47] <xubuntu593> trying sudo apt-get install grub2
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu593: i would let tab auto-complete
[15:48] <holstein> sudo update-grub might do the trick
[15:48] <ruien> hmm, I had a similar issue and it turned out after several painful hours what I needed was "acpi=off" in the boot options
[15:48] <holstein> i usually just use the live CD and restore grub.. this assumes you didnt install a bootloader on the disk you are trying to boot from
[15:48] <xubuntu593> hum... where do I set boot options in xubuntu?
[15:48] <ruien> follow holstein's guidelines first
[15:49] <ruien> my comment was just in case nothing else works
[15:49] <xubuntu593> hum... I entered grub
[15:49] <xubuntu593> there are several commands here
[15:50] <holstein> xubuntu593: you have "entered grub" ?
[15:50] <xubuntu593> I typed grub
[15:51] <ruien> anyway you would set them in the grub menu at boot time. In other words "edit the boot options" at boot time to see if you can get it to boot. if it *does* work, then you can make it permanent by adding the "acpi=off" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub, grub-mkconfig, and then update-grub
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntu593: what you should type is "update"... sudo update, then hit tab.. OR try sudo update-grub
[15:51] <holstein> !grub
[15:52] <xubuntu593> sudo update-grub seemed to work fine
[15:53] <holstein> xubuntu593: cool.. enjoy! :)
[15:53] <xubuntu593> let's see if reboot is ok
[15:54] <xubuntu593> without pendrive
[15:54] <holstein> OH.. i thought thats what you meant... it wont be if you dont have GRUB installed on the other drive
[15:55] <holstein> anyways... it wont hurt to try... and you can refer to the "restore" link above if not
[15:55] <xubuntu593> hum...
[15:55] <xubuntu593> sorry I don't understand it very well...
[15:55] <xubuntu593> it really haven't work yet
[15:56] <holstein> xubuntu593: no worries.. either you just fixed grub, or you just updated the grub you have on the "pendrive"
[15:56] <xubuntu593> I think I just updated the grub on the pendrive...
[15:57] <holstein> xubuntu593: if you installed grub on the "pendrive", then everything is working as you have specified.. if you would like to install grub elsewhere, you can refer to the restore grub linke above
[16:00] <xubuntu593> so I'm trying to restore grub ...
[16:00] <holstein> xubuntu593: i would just use the "restore grub" link above to install grub to the media you would like to use to boot from
[16:01] <holstein> you can refer to the process as "retore" or "install"... you just want to end up with grub on the hard drive
[16:10] <xubuntu593> Tks holstein it seems to work fine! :D
[16:10] <xubuntu593> I try to install drivers for my webcam now
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu593: cheers... enjoy!
[16:11] <xubuntu593> :D
[16:11] <holstein> xubuntu593: what drivers?.. if there are any, they are typically already "in" the kernel
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu593: i would run 2 commands in the terminal.. "lspci" and/or "lsusb" ..i would look and see if the device is listed... then i would move on from there... maybe just open/install cheese and see if the cam works OOTB
[16:13] <xubuntu593> I ran cheese and I can see my face in it by it's upside down
[16:13] <milen8204> How can I personalize my Desktop resolution ?
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu593: cool... thats a great start... you can move one to tweaking, instead of looking for a driver
[16:14] <xubuntu593> I had this problem using Ubuntu once, and now again in Xubuntu... can you help me on this, holstein?
[16:15] <holstein> milen8204: i use arandr
[16:15] <holstein> !info arandr
[16:15] <holstein> xubuntu593: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:15] <xubuntu593> yeap
[16:15] <xubuntu593> rs
[16:15] <xubuntu593> :D
[16:15] <milen8204> holstein, ok I am going to try it
[16:16] <holstein> xubuntu593: i would grab the line that was in the terminal describing the hardware and just search "webcam whatever ubuntu upsidedown"
[16:18] <holstein> xubuntu593: it really depends on the hardware as to what the "fix" is.. and the ultimate "fix" is getting the vendor to properly support the operating system you are choosing to use
[16:21] <xubuntu593> ok, I'll try to find it on google... tks
[16:23] <holstein> xubuntu593: you can try and "find" it here.. but you will need to share more information about your hardware.. and ideally, you'll find a forum post somewhere from someone with that exact hardware
[16:43] <jandrusk> Anyone know why double-clicking on window titles does not maximize? I checked that it is set in the Window Manager settings.
[16:47] <GridCube> jandrusk, double clic on THE tittles
[16:48] <jandrusk> I do and nothing happens.
[16:49] <GridCube> jandrusk, in the title, in the words
[16:49] <GridCube> :(
[16:49] <GridCube> it works here
[16:49] <jandrusk> I am, I get a hand icon for a split second.
[16:50] <GridCube> jandrusk, resise manually the window to a small size, like with alt-right clic-drag
[16:50] <GridCube> and then try again
[16:52] <jandrusk> Just tried, nothing. Let me take a look at my mouse settings.
[16:53] <GridCube> jandrusk, http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[16:55] <jandrusk> Yes, that's how I did it.
[16:55] <GridCube> there are like 5 different ways there
[16:55] <Marzata> how to connect iphone to xuubntu?
[16:55] <GridCube> !iphone
[16:56] <Marzata> GridCube: thanks
[16:57] <Marzata> kubuntu?
[16:57] <Marzata> huh
[16:59] <GridCube> Marzata, the wikis are global
[17:00] <jandrusk> Found the fix by changing double-click time to 450 in Mouse Settings.
[17:00] <GridCube> :)
[17:03] <jandrusk> Great, now panel2 is not auto-hiding.
[17:05] <jandrusk> Picky thing. Just had to logout and back in.
[18:13] <Marzata> plug iphone to xubun 12.04 starts some power management :)
[18:26] <martinphone> how do I separate a flac file that contains a whole album with a cue file?
[18:26] <moreno> just got my xubuntu 12, by i dont know how to set  up my monitor samsung syncmaster 931bw. i cant get to the 1440x900 of his. can anyone have the same problem/help me adjusting him? thanks .
[18:27] <GridCube> !faq
[18:28] <GridCube> lol thats broken
[18:28] <holstein> martinphone: i would ask the content creator for seperate tracks.. you could always just burn the project (even virtually) and extract
[18:28] <drc> martinphone: You might start here  http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/split-one-flac-cue-file-into-separate-tracks/
[18:29] <GridCube> moreno, install arandr
[18:30] <moreno> GridCube, it would help me doing it?
[18:31] <martinphone> drc, can you access that link? I cannot
[18:31] <GridCube> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[18:31] <GridCube> moreno, it should
[18:31] <moreno> GridCube, where can i install it? can get it through apt-get...
[18:32] <moreno> GridCube, find it
[18:32] <drc> martinphone: yes I can...but if you can't, maybe a google search with terms "separate flac linux" would work.
[18:32] <moreno> GridCube, just downloading... then... and what i do?
[18:33] <drc> martinphone: That's how I found that article
[18:33] <martinphone> im sleepy today
[18:35] <moreno> GridCube, where do i open it?
[18:36] <GridCube> moreno, accesories, or alt-f2 >arandr
[18:36] <GridCube> or search it with the application finder
[18:38] <moreno> GridCube, :) cool.
[18:38] <moreno> GridCube, but how can i set my definition? dont apperar 1440x900...
[18:39] <GridCube> moreno, you might not have it
[18:39] <GridCube> open a terminal and write xrandr
[18:39] <GridCube> and execute that
[18:39] <GridCube> it should tell you how many resolutions your system knows
[18:40] <GridCube> you might need your proper video drivers to have others available, check taht you have them with: gksu jockey-gtk
[18:43] <moreno> GridCube, ok, let me try
[20:03] <manitou> how is xubuntu and vmware ? last time i check didnt compile !?
[20:04] <holstein> it'll be the same as ubuntu and vmware
[20:04] <Unit193> !info vmware-view-client
[20:05] <Unit193> Awwwh, I have it in mine...
[20:09] <manitou> just find some patch that works ! i hope ;)
[20:15] <martinphone> i tried https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=702289#p702289, I can split the files, but the second command "cuetag.sh *.cue split-track*.flac" gives a: cuetag.sh: command not found
[20:15] <martinphone> to split flac files and tag em
[20:15] <martinphone> can you help me?
[20:17] <Unit193> Well, you'll need the cuetag.sh file somewhere, seems as if you don't have it.
[21:16] <grifo74> hi people i need a software to configure shortcut on my keyboard
[21:19] <knome> grifo74, what if you tried applications menu -> settings -> settings manager -> keyboard -> application shortcuts first?
[21:20] <grifo74> i need up and down volume
[21:20] <grifo74> i like configure some keys
[21:21] <knome> add shortcuts for your up/down keys for 'amixer'
[21:23] <grifo74> how?????
[22:25] <CallMeDavid_> I have a question about APT.
[22:26] <CallMeDavid_> if i type say "sudo apt-get install google-" and I hit the TAB key at the end twice, it doesn't show me all the possible packages I can install from Google.
[22:27] <Unit193> Try  apt-cache search google, then sudo apt-get install google-<tab><tab>
[22:29] <CallMeDavid_> still doesn't seem to work
[22:32] <genii-around> Have you done sudo apt-get update
[22:32] <CallMeDavid_> many times, but I'll do it again for good measure
[22:33] <xubuntu970> hi
[22:33] <Unit193> Well, there are packages in the first place? And try sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[22:33] <Unit193> !hi
[22:33] <xubuntu970> need help
[22:33] <xubuntu970> firs inatll Xubuntu 12.04
[22:34] <xubuntu970> but im having an update error
[22:34] <xubuntu970> in update manager
[22:36] <Unit193> What's the error?
[22:36] <CallMeDavid_> Unit193: did your suggestion, then updated again, still not working.
[22:37] <xubuntu970> Requires installation of untrusted packages  The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[22:37] <knome> CallMeDavid_, do you have the universe/multiverse repositories enabled?
[22:37] <xubuntu970> i dont know :)
[22:37] <CallMeDavid_> knome: I'll look.
[22:37] <knome> xubuntu970, that question was not directed at you
[22:38] <xubuntu970> oh
[22:38] <knome> xubuntu970, that should be no problem though (the error), if you haven't done *anything* with the software sources and you have downloaded the ISO from an official site
[22:39] <knome> xubuntu970, you can try to change the server to download from to "main server" rather than your country server, that should remove the error
[22:39] <xubuntu970> good ideea
[22:39] <xubuntu970> where can i change it
[22:39] <CallMeDavid_> knome: I only see them listed for the CD-Rom
[22:40] <xubuntu970> find it
[22:40] <knome> CallMeDavid_, try to enable them for the internet sources too, that should bring some more packages to install :)
[22:40] <CallMeDavid_> ok, hold on a few.
[22:40] <knome> CallMeDavid_, (and sudo apt-get update, of course)
[22:41] <CallMeDavid_> of course
[22:41] <knome> Unit193, you know how to change the server to main server from USC?
[22:41]  * knome doesn't have that installed
[22:41] <Unit193> Hahaha! Good one! :P
[22:41] <knome> i think there was even a command to open the software sources dialog..
[22:41] <xubuntu970> its working
[22:41] <xubuntu970> 10x
[22:41] <knome> software-properties-gtk
[22:41] <Unit193> software-properties-gtk
[22:42] <Unit193> Bleh...
[22:42] <knome> CallMeDavid_, ^ that'd work for you too
[22:42] <knome> Unit193, :)=
[22:42] <xubuntu970> :)
[22:44] <knome> that's something to add to the settings manager btw
[22:44] <CallMeDavid_> it's just those repositories aren't even listed, I'll have to add them.
[22:44] <knome> CallMeDavid_, try that command ^
[22:44] <knome> CallMeDavid_, it should allow you to enable them easily from GUI
[22:44] <CallMeDavid_> I did, they're not listed in there anywhere
[22:45] <knome> CallMeDavid_, hmm, should be...
[22:50] <CallMeDavid_> they would be listed under "other software", right?
[22:51] <knome> nope, in the "Ubuntu Software" tab
[22:51] <knome> second and fourth items
[22:52] <CallMeDavid_> i apologize then, they are there.
[22:52] <CallMeDavid_> and they were already checked
[22:56] <knome> CallMeDavid_, weird. is there any error when you run update from the terminal? if not, are you *sure* those google packages should be in the repositories?
[22:58] <CallMeDavid_> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:58] <CallMeDavid_> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:59] <CallMeDavid_> as for the google stuff, I was using Mint last week, and regular ubuntu a few weeks ago, and once I installed Chrome, the other google stuff always showed in APT
[23:00] <CallMeDavid_> i just realized i had synaptic open
[23:06] <CallMeDavid_> figured it out, had to set terminal to run as a Login Shell.
[23:15] <malv> anyone know how to fix this gtk3 grab bug?
[23:16] <malv> this bug is hurting the xubuntu experience =(
[23:17] <malv> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11962571


[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <Hardik> dholbach, Morning :)
[08:14] <dholbach> hey Hardik
[09:28] <dholbach> hexmode: heya - did you have a chance to have a look at the php packages already?
[13:54] <hexmode> dholbach: not yet, but only 'cause I've been forgetting
[13:54] <hexmode> I've a server emergenecy ATM, but after that ...
[14:03] <txwikinger> Morning dholbach
[14:05] <dholbach> hexmode: shall I send you a mail about it?
[14:05] <dholbach> hi txwikinger
[14:22] <hexmode> dholbach: nah, I've got the info.  And I've been thinking about it.  just busy.
[14:22] <dholbach> ok :)
[15:12] <Dooglass> my DVD player ain't working
[15:52] <hexmode> dholbach: akismet fixed.  (when did they change the required params on me?) now, going to look at the packages
[15:54]  * hexmode searchs pkg-php-maint archives for discussion about civiccrm
[16:08] <hexmode> dholbach: when you get a chance, I've got some questions
[16:12] <dholbach> hexmode: sure
[16:18] <hexmode> I have just downloaded CiviCRM, so this could be a stupid question: are all those packages included in the tarball?
[16:19] <hexmode> dholbach: ok, so "yes" is the answer
[16:20] <dholbach> yes
[16:20] <hexmode> next q: how do I tell what is the code specific to civicrm
[16:20] <hexmode> ?
[16:20] <dholbach> and civicrm packaging is not there yet
[16:20] <dholbach> there's still some stuff that needs work
[16:20] <dholbach> there's a packages/ directory I think
[16:20] <dholbach> or something it's called
[16:21] <dholbach> it has a list of external stuff
[16:21] <hexmode> yess, I see that
[16:21] <hexmode> but I don't see anything that looks like it says "THIS is the directory/file you're looking for" :)
[16:22] <hexmode> going to read the install directions see if there is a clue
[16:24] <hexmode> ah, the stuff under /drupal is what I"m looking for
[16:27] <dholbach> hexmode: but all the pear packages should be fine to go