[22:22] <yeats> thomasg: yes
[22:22] <thomasg> ok, thanks
[22:23] <yeats> thomasg: sorry - wasn't reading closely - 'kill' not 'restart'
[22:24] <XelmepAWAY> i need help about Counter strike 1.2 server on Ubuntu 10.04 server Please ???
[22:25] <gskellig> anybody how to ssh when public wifi has disabled it?
[22:25] <yeats> Xelmep: that's not really an #ubuntu issue (even if the platform is Ubuntu server)
[22:25] <steve84> hi i am having a problem with my update manager
[22:25] <Xelmep> ok yeats: then can you help me to install any VPN server ?
[22:26] <yeats> Xelmep: just ask your question to the full channel - someone may be able to help
[22:26] <Xelmep> yeats: i`m new in ubuntu server and not understand very much
[22:26] <Xelmep> i need any tutorial about installing best VPN server
[22:27] <yeats> !vpn | Xelmep
[22:27] <Xelmep> !vpn
[22:28] <Advocated> hi there, using wine ive installed dreamweaver which works, but when i try and open files in /var/www it says path not found.Any idea how I can allow the path of /var/www?
[22:28] <Xelmep> !vpn | Xelmep
[22:28] <steve84> hi can any1 help me with an issue that i am having with update manager???
[22:28] <yeats> !details | steve84
[22:29] <Nightwalkerkg> Hi,where can i find and download comics for Comix?
[22:30] <hasufell> Advocated: "not found" does mean its not there i think
[22:30]  * skiski is away: ill be back real soon
[22:31] <steve84> ubottu: im running ubuntu 11.10 onmy lg laptop and when i try to run update manager it just loops i click "install updates" it waits and then it stops but deosnt update anything and i have to click "install updates again" but doesnt work
[22:31] <squaregoldfish> Trying to upgrade from natty to oneiric via Update Manager. It's got stuck at setting up friendly-recovery. What should I do?
[22:32] <mtkoan> can someone please tell me why fonts on ubuntu (UI *and* in browser) look so much better then other distros?
[22:32] <mtkoan> its driving me crazy,I must know your secret
[22:33] <Advocated> hasufell, ive had this problem years ago and cant remember how i fixed it
[22:33] <sparkss> Hi guys, is there a system information live monitor like what was prebuilt in all ubuntu's prior to 11.10?
[22:33] <sparkss> where it shows ur live ram usage, your live bandwidth
[22:33] <sparkss> your disk usage etc
[22:34] <yeats> sparkss: you could add it to the gnome panel, yes
[22:34] <mtkoan> htop
[22:34] <mtkoan> come on, someone must know the secrets of font rednering
[22:34] <sparkss> it was like system information gui
[22:34] <yeats> !fonts | mtkoan
[22:34] <sparkss> yeats
[22:34] <hasufell> Advocated: try "sudo mkdir /var/www && sudo chmod 777 /var/www"
[22:34] <mtkoan> hmm I'll look into it
[22:34] <Advocated> hasufell, fixxed, i did winecfg  added a drive (f) and set that to /var/www job done :)
[22:34] <hasufell> ah
[22:34] <Advocated> hasufell, thanks for the help though
[22:35] <sparkss> im not sure we are talking about the same tool
[22:35] <yeats> sparkss: in pre 11.10, you could right click on the panel and add a system monitor applet - is that what you mean?
[22:36] <sparkss> yeats, no sorry. it was like right click and system information.. the first link would have your system info.. the second link would be bandwidth /cpus /swap /ram
[22:36] <sparkss> etc
[22:36] <sparkss> like a live gui
[22:36] <yeats> !info gnome-system-monitor
[22:36] <sparkss> ahhhh
[22:36] <sparkss> yea I think thats it
[22:36] <sparkss> kinda like task manager in windows
[22:36] <yeats> that's still in 11.10
[22:37] <sparkss> where can I find it?
[22:37] <elmeromerodetodo> hello
[22:37] <yeats> search "system monitor" in the unity bar
[22:37] <elmeromerodetodo> everyone
[22:37] <vkandy> guys can you recommend a tool to create user manuals etc.?
[22:38] <sparkss> hmm
[22:38] <sparkss> may I add I just installed this last night
[22:38] <sparkss> lol
[22:38] <sparkss> well
[22:38] <nojeb0012> hey mates
[22:38] <sparkss> upgraded from 11.04
[22:38] <FloodBot1> sparkss: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:38] <elmeromerodetodo> yeats: a wiki?
[22:38] <sburwood1> tell me why, while update-manager seems to update the lists that it tells me that the last update was 4 days ago
[22:38] <nojeb0012> I need some help with getting my AO531h WiFi running on 11.19
[22:38] <DartmanX> if I have an intel core2 laptop, is the amd64 iso the correct image to install from?
[22:38] <nojeb0012> 11.10*
[22:38] <DartmanX> (core2 is 64bit compatible)
[22:39] <nojeb0012> Anyone who can help?
[22:39] <squaregoldfish> Trying to upgrade from natty to oneiric via Update Manager. It's got stuck at setting up friendly-recovery. What should I do?
[22:39] <sburwood1> I wish Iknew
[22:39] <DartmanX> n/m, I found the answer
[22:40] <yeats> squaregoldfish: check /var/log/syslog or /var/log/dpkg for errors?
[22:40] <nojeb0012> I need some help with getting my AO531h WiFi running on 11.10, anyone who can assist?
[22:42] <causative> man thunderbird is NOT GOOD about correctly labeling its updates as "security updates"
[22:42] <Benkinooby> hi, why do i need sodu rights for iwlist [interface] scanning? what harm can be done with allwoing it for normal users?
[22:42] <squaregoldfish> yeats: Nothing in syslog.  Used to work great on 11.04.
[22:43] <squaregoldfish> yeats: Of course ;)
[22:43] <sparkss> I cant seem to figure this out
[22:44] <sskalnik> Kovica, sorry I was away
[22:44] <nojeb0012> I need some help with getting my AO531h WiFi running on 11.10, anyone who can assist? Used to work great on 11.04.
[22:45] <sskalnik> I recommend using a USB drive over the ISO, as it is faster to install and easier to mess with.
[22:45] <yeats> squaregoldfish: thought so ;-)... in that case, you could try to exit the upgrade process and begin the (possibly messy) process of manually running 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[22:46] <sskalnik> Kovica, That said, what you can do is mount the original ISO, copy everything to a directory, add files to the directory, and then re-make an ISO from the directory.
[22:46] <squaregoldfish> yeats: OK, I'll give it a go. If that fails, I'll be back....
[22:46] <yeats> squaregoldfish: you might have to manually remove the apt and dpkg lock files
[22:46] <squaregoldfish> yeats: Thanks
[22:46] <sparkss> yeats, I cannot seem to find it?
[22:46] <yeats> squaregoldfish: good luck
[22:46] <nojeb0012> I need some help with getting my AO531h WiFi running on 11.10, anyone who can assist? Used to work great on 11.04.
[22:46] <yeats> sparkss: type 'gnome-system-monitor' at the terminal?
[22:46]  * yeats goes away
[22:47] <sparkss> im a dummy
[22:47] <sparkss> :x
[22:47] <sskalnik> Kovica, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[22:48] <nojeb0012> I need some help with getting my AO531h WiFi running on 11.10, anyone who can assist? Used to work great on 11.04.
[22:49] <madm1ke_> is there a recommended way of autoremoving old kernel packages?
[22:49] <freak0adam> hey. i have a problem. i installed ubuntu on my hard drive instead of windows and when it restarted after instalation it doesnt turn on. i mean i have only that black screen with blinking _ . does anyone know what could be wrong?
[22:50] <aeon-ltd> madm1ke_: i doubt it, they are there in case the newest one fails; most people just use apt or syynaptics to remove them
[22:50] <nojeb0012> I need some help with getting my AO531h WiFi running on 11.10, anyone who can assist? Used to work great on 11.04.
[22:51] <Benkinooby> nojeb0012, did you try jockey?
[22:51] <JSysTeM> hello all
[22:51] <nojeb0012> benkinooby: What is Jockey? I'm new to Ubuntu, and I assume I know ... nothing?
[22:52] <madm1ke_> aeon-ltd: well there is no reason to stack 5 to 10 kernels. but okay i'll see if i can create something myself
[22:52] <freak0adam> hey. i have a problem. i installed ubuntu on my hard drive instead of windows and when it restarted after instalation it doesnt turn on. i mean i have only that black screen with blinking _ . does anyone know what could be wrong?
[22:52] <aeon-ltd> nojeb0012: tried this yet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne/531h
[22:52] <madm1ke_> freak0adam: you said that 3min ago
[22:52] <JSysTeM> i have 10.10 cd gnome ubuntu but im trying to remove all graphical software like netinstall just need base system how to do that via console and thanks
[22:53] <nojeb0012> aeon-ltd: There is nothing to try?
[22:53] <aeon-ltd> nojeb0012: scroll down
[22:53] <Benkinooby> nojeb0012, jockey is a tool that will search closed-source drivers for you. closed-source is not deliverd with ubuntu for certain reasons, but most closed-source drivers do better work than the open source one... try to find a program/menu entry that got to do with drivers, or invoke "jockey-gtk" from a command line... maybe you have to use sudo
[22:54] <nojeb0012> aeon-ltd: I tried to "borrow" information from other, similar netbook models
[22:54] <nojeb0012> aeon-ltd: Didn't work :(
[22:55] <nojeb0012> benkinooby: I'll try it now, let me have a second.
[22:56] <nojeb0012> benkinooby: No luck, it searches, but it can't find.
[22:56] <mkanyicy> nojeb0012, what are you trying to do?
[22:56] <uabn93> hi, im stuck in grub. can anyone help?
[22:57] <madm1ke_> JSysTeM: one possibility is "sudo aptitude" - get familiar with this interface and then hit "-" (remove) or "_" (purge) on categories like gnome etc..
[22:57] <mkanyicy> !grub | uabn93
[22:57] <nojeb0012> I'm trying to find some way to connect to my wifi, but my Wireless NIC isn't visible with 11.10
[22:57] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: what device? (lspci)
[22:58] <nojeb0012> Should I copy it here?
[22:58] <uabn93> i deleted old kernels and the new ones dont show up in grub. what can i do? please help
[22:58] <mkanyicy> nojeb0012, pastebin
[22:58] <madm1ke_> only the line that contains your wifi device
[22:59] <mkanyicy> nojeb0012, lspci|pastebinit
[22:59] <madm1ke_> uabn93: edit the entry and change the kernel name/version . then fix grub
[22:59] <zippzack24> #videolan
[22:59] <nojeb0012> mkanyicy: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter
[23:00] <uabn93> how do you update grub from within grub??
[23:00] <uabn93> does anyone know?
[23:00] <thingfish> uabn93: what do you mean?
[23:00] <nojeb0012> mkanyicy: Which worked just fine and dandy in 11.04
[23:00] <madm1ke_> uabn93: you don't. just edit the line and boot with an existing kernel. then fix grub
[23:00] <Phoenix87> uabn93, use a live version of something
[23:00] <Phoenix87> mount your ubuntu partition somewhere
[23:00] <Phoenix87> and execute update-grup
[23:01] <Phoenix87> *update-grub
[23:02] <uabn93> madm1ke_: i deleted an old kernel, forgot to update the list, rebooted, and now only the old kernel versions show up in grub.
[23:02] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: okay, do sudo modprobe -r ath5k and then sudo modprobe ath5k - then type "dmesg" to see if the kernel complains about something when loading the wifi driver
[23:02] <uabn93> the newest kernels arent on the list. i never deleted tose
[23:02] <mkanyicy> uabn93, then your problem is not as hard as i thought
[23:02] <Benkinooby> nojeb0012, so jockey didn't find anything?
[23:02] <nojeb0012> benkinooby: No luck, it searches, but it can't find anything.
[23:03] <madm1ke_> uabn93: then you can just edit the grub entry (i think by hitting "e" - but there is some info in grub to how to get in edit mode) and change the version number
[23:03] <uabn93> mkanyicy: how do i fix it?
[23:03] <mkanyicy> uabn93, try to select recovery mode first and see if you can find a working one
[23:03] <Benkinooby> nojeb0012, oh, i see ther are allready some ppl helping you... good luck
[23:03] <mkanyicy> uabn93, if you can't then try to edit one of the menu's to point to the latest kernel
[23:03] <madm1ke_> uabn93: grub even has tab-completion in shell mode - just play a little with it :)
[23:04] <nojeb0012> mkanyicy: FATAL, no file or directory.
[23:04] <nojeb0012> benkinooby: Thanks, mate. And thanks for the effort.
[23:05] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: a little more. can you pastebin the last 20 lines of dmesg?
[23:05] <mkanyicy> uabn93, u there?
[23:05] <uabn93> okay, im in edit mode. i dont know what to do next
[23:06] <madm1ke_> uabn93: spot the line that includes your kernel version number
[23:06] <uabn93> how do i point it to the newest kernel
[23:06] <nojeb0012> mkanyicy: There isn't even 20 lines O.o
[23:06] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: the output from dmesg has definitely more than 1 line
[23:06] <madm1ke_> uabn93: use the cursor keys to go to the kernel/linux line
[23:07] <uabn93> on the grub list, version 38-10 shows up. none of the newer ones (38-11 or 38-12) show up
[23:07] <nojeb0012> mkanyicy: FATAL: Could not load mesg/lib/modules/3.0.0-13-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[23:07] <mkanyicy> nojeb0012, im not sure of that error
[23:07] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: FATAL: Could not load mesg/lib/modules/3.0.0-13-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[23:07] <mkanyicy> nojeb0012, i dont have a clue
[23:08] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: type "sudo depmod -a" have you reboot since your last kernel upgrade?
[23:08] <mkanyicy> uabn93, replace something like: /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-13-generic with just /vmlinuz
[23:08] <nojeb0012> This is driving me crazy, I need this netbook for school >.<
[23:08] <JSysTeM> when i burn the min.iso into dvd it doesnt run is there a way to support that
[23:08] <mkanyicy> uabn93, and something like /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-13-generic with /initrd.img
[23:09] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: I did.
[23:09] <zacarias> any idea of a program tha can open Omnioutliner's oo3 format?
[23:09] <mkanyicy> uabn93, those are symlinks to your latest kernel
[23:09] <nojeb0012> hangs at depmod -a
[23:09] <madm1ke_> hangs or takes some seconds?
[23:09] <mkanyicy> uabn93,  then try to boot
[23:09] <nojeb0012> It just cleared.
[23:10] <madm1ke_> try "modprobe ath5k" again
[23:10] <nojeb0012> that was a bit more. So how do I pastebin it?
[23:10] <madm1ke_> paste.ubuntu.com
[23:11] <mkanyicy> JSysTeM, what is min.iso?
[23:11] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753102/
[23:12] <JSysTeM> mkanyicy: minimal install for ubuntu
[23:12] <madm1ke_> "sudo modprobe ath5k" you need to be root to insert kernel modules. sorry about that :)
[23:12] <mkanyicy> nojeb0012, sudo
[23:12] <tobe> hi guys. pleas help me. My computer's keyboard and mouse freeze frequently. the keyboard caps lock and scroll lock lights blink but i cannot do anything. (unplug doesnt work) i'm sifting through the forums right now, but if someone could help me i would appreciate it!!!
[23:13] <Emiru> is Vim easy to use or is a full tutorial needed ?
[23:13] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: My bad. And then? No errors occur.
[23:13] <madm1ke_> tobe: that is called a kernel panic :)
[23:13] <mcphail> Emiru: the latter
[23:13] <Emiru> mcphail: Thats what I thought, thanks ! :)
[23:13] <aeon-ltd> Emiru: vim is easy to use, but there are so many features to learn them all would need several tuts
[23:13] <tobe> madm1ke_:  what do i do??? panic too?
[23:13] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: "dmesg" and read/paste the last 10 lines concerning the ath5k module
[23:14] <mcphail> Emiru: worth it though. The best editor imho
[23:14] <Kovica> sskalnik, the problem was with the entry in isolinux.cfg
[23:14] <BarkingFish> tobe: basically, your kernel is crashing - sometimes you see a Backtrace pop up on your screen, other times, your desktop freezes and your keyboard lights flash on and off.
[23:14] <Emiru> Ill stick to gedit for now, im reading a full tutorial on linux
[23:14] <madm1ke_> tobe: are you up to date with your system?
[23:14] <Emiru> im not at the Vim part yet but its ok
[23:15] <tobe> madm1ke_: i always update when it says too
[23:15] <aeon-ltd> heh full tutorial on linux
[23:15] <Kovica> sskalnik, I've added that entry to txt.cfg an now I've installed ubutnu in virtualbox.. Let me now see if the ds.sh got executed
[23:15] <tobe> BarkingFish: what can i do?
[23:15] <aeon-ltd> it will never end
[23:15] <BarkingFish> the only way to get out of that situation, tobe, is to force shutdown by holding the power switch on the front of your PC for about 5 seconds or so
[23:15] <mkanyicy> uabn93, how did it go?
[23:15] <RandomTomte> Hello, i need help with my xubuntu. Where do i turn off "Mirror displays"?
[23:15] <BarkingFish> tobe: it's possibly one of the modules in your kernel which could be faulty.  Could you go into a terminal, and install pastebinit please?
[23:15] <Emiru> aeon-ltd: well, how to use it properly not just say hey im on linux look at me :P
[23:16] <tobe> BarkingFish: i know that much, but what about fixing it? new install????
[23:16] <madm1ke_> RandomTomte: xfce settings should include a "display" or "screen" section
[23:16] <BarkingFish> tobe: not necessarily
[23:16] <tobe> BarkingFish:  pastebinit is a program?
[23:16] <BarkingFish> yes
[23:16] <aeon-ltd> no
[23:16] <uabn93> mkanyicy: i did what u said. it told me 'ctrl-x to boot' and nothing...
[23:16] <aeon-ltd> kinda
[23:16] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: so ; "sudo modprobe ath5k -dmesg" ??
[23:16] <RandomTomte> madm1ke, where do i find that?
[23:16] <aeon-ltd> tobe: yoou could just use the site
[23:16] <BarkingFish> it allows you to paste to paste.ubuntu.com from a terminal, tobe
[23:17] <BarkingFish> so you could call up a command, and have the output sent straight to the pastebin
[23:17] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: "sudo dmesg" that is a single command which will show the last kernel messages
[23:17] <tobe> BarkingFish: ok now what
[23:17] <mkanyicy> uabn93, then an alternative method that is more likely to work is to use the live cd
[23:17] <mkanyicy> uabn93, and then recover grub from it
[23:18] <BarkingFish> right, can you do the command:  sudo lsmod | pastebinit  please, tobe - and when you get the url back, post it here please :)
[23:18] <uabn93> like a sudo update grub from the command line?
[23:18] <sskalnik> Kovica, how goes it?
[23:18] <Kovica> sskalnik, it did not get executed... :(((
[23:18] <mkanyicy> uabn93, grub-install
[23:18] <RandomTomte> WHERE DO I FIND Xcfe settings for my display?!
[23:19] <Kovica> sskalnik, d-i preseed/late_command string \
[23:19] <Kovica> cp /cdrom/ds.sh /; \
[23:19] <Kovica> chmod +x ./ds.sh; \
[23:19] <Kovica> ./ds.sh
[23:19] <aeon-ltd> RandomTomte: a menu....
[23:19] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753111/
[23:19] <uabn93> mkanyicy: thanks for everything. you were really helpful
[23:19] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Sorry about my beginner-ness to Ubuntu >.<
[23:19] <RandomTomte> aeon-ltd, cool a meny. thanks for the help! -.-
[23:19] <tobe> BarkingFish: http://pastebin.com/F2vzSv4k
[23:19] <BarkingFish> thanks tobe :)
[23:19] <aeon-ltd> RandomTomte: in your panel. everything goes from there
[23:19] <BarkingFish> give me a moment please
[23:19] <mkanyicy> uabn93, no prob, good luck
[23:20] <zacarias> any idea of a program that can open 003 files (Omnioutliner files)
[23:20] <RandomTomte> aeon-ltd,  i dont find that
[23:20] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: okay there was no immediate error .. now do "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up"
[23:20] <mkanyicy> zacarias, what is omni-outliner?
[23:21] <aeon-ltd> RandomTomte: show me a screenshot of you panels
[23:21] <aeon-ltd> *your
[23:21] <BarkingFish> tobe - How long has this been going on? And more to the point, did you add any new hardware before this started happening?
[23:21] <sskalnik> Kovica, what does the log say about the script?
[23:21] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: And then? No errors.
[23:21] <zacarias> mkanyici: it'is a MacOS outliner
[23:21] <Kovica> sskalnik, where is the log
[23:21] <madm1ke_> tobe: is your system up to date?
[23:21] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: is it working already? :)
[23:22] <sskalnik> Kovica, go to another terminal (Alt + F2) and check /var/log/syslog
[23:22] <squaregoldfish> Upgrading from natty to oneiric. Any package that does something in /boot (linux-image, memtest, grub etc.) simply hangs. All other packages install fine. Any ideas?
[23:22] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Noo. I can press Enable Wireless, but nothing actually happens :(
[23:22] <hiho77> Hey guys! I read a bit about the ubuntu service/daemon called zeitgeist. It is installed to gather information and to make dayly work more easy/comfortable... On the other hand i dont need an OS that gathers infor of my userbehavior. Does s.o. know how deeply it gathers info an if anyone does spy my computer?
[23:22] <tobe> BarkingFish: its been going on for about a week
[23:22] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: okay, paste "sudo dmesg"
[23:22] <tobe> no
[23:23] <tobe> maybe 2 or 3 days
[23:23] <JSysTeM> when i burn the min.iso into dvd it doesnt run is there a way to support that,
[23:23] <BarkingFish> tobe: ok, and did you add anything new recently?
[23:23] <Kovica> sskalnik, sorry, I already restarted
[23:23] <tobe> BarkingFish: the last thing i did what a fresh install and then install the nvidia drivers (possible cause) but  i dont know what that could have done.
[23:24] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753117/
[23:24] <sskalnik> Kovica, I must head out for the day, but feel free to message me on ubuntuforums.com; I am user djsephiroth
[23:24] <mkanyicy> hiho77, rather worry about the spy than about zeitgeist
[23:24] <Kovica> sskalnik, thanks.. have a good day..
[23:24] <tobe> BarkingFish: nothing that didnt work in 11.10 (i downgraded since 11.10 was pretty buggy) usb webcam, wine ,
[23:24] <sskalnik> Kovica, you are most welcome; hope it works for you soon
[23:24] <BarkingFish> tobe: the nvidia drivers can sometimes be a little... odd, shall we say.  What nvidia card do you have?
[23:25] <mkanyicy> JSysTeM, have you verified your DVD if its burned correctly?
[23:25] <matthieu637> vous avez un logiciel simple pour ajouter du texte sur une vidéo ( pour un tuto ) ?
[23:25] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: try to scan for wireless networks "sudo iw dev wlan0 scan"
[23:25] <JSysTeM> mkanyicy: when i put it over windows it runs normaly but seems the bootsec is currupted somehow
[23:25] <BarkingFish> !fr | matthieu637
[23:25] <matthieu637> wrong chan sry
[23:25] <BarkingFish> np :)
[23:26] <tobe> i have a geforce 8400, but this worked in 10.10 (then in 11.10) now it wont work when i went back to 10.04. maybe its because i didnt install the right one???
[23:26] <tobe> driver???
[23:26] <sharpK> does anyone here have experience sharing a wireless printer through samba (with ubuntu as a server) to windows computers on the network?
[23:26] <madm1ke_> tobe: how did you install the driver?
[23:26] <tobe> BarkingFish: i have a geforce 8400, but this worked in 10.10 (then in 11.10) now it wont work when i went back to 10.04. maybe its because i didnt install the right one???
[23:26] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: iw not found?
[23:26] <tobe> madm1ke_: through software center
[23:26] <squaregoldfish> yeats: Ping (more in hope than expectation)
[23:26] <BarkingFish> it's possible, tobe - if you have everything backed up, and you know it worked in 10.10 (Lucid LTS), maybe try to go back to 10.10?
[23:27] <hiho77> mkanyicy: how do you mean? As i read about this service, zeitgeist IS the spy ^^
[23:27] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: iw command** not found?
[23:27] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: then try "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" .. but you should install the package "iw"
[23:27] <BarkingFish> i got rid of my nvidia card sometime ago, I had lots of driver issues, so I swapped out to a PCIE ATI Radeon SE
[23:27] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: relax...
[23:28] <tobe> BarkingFish:  i dont have that cd anymore and the site shows 10.04 lts and 11.10 only
[23:28] <BarkingFish> i beg your pardon, 10.04 was the LTS version. Sorry about that.
[23:28] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[23:29] <BarkingFish> I'm kind of lost as to what could be doing this then, let me look at that paste again
[23:29] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up ; sudo iwlist wlan0 scan"
[23:29] <Scunizi> Something will not allow Synaptic Package manager to run.. I get the authentication window, plug in my password and then nothing... any ideas?
[23:29] <BarkingFish> the lsmod actually shows that nothing is using your nvidia module, tobe...
[23:29] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
[23:29] <nojeb0012> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[23:29] <mkanyicy> hiho77, if you are paranoid, then remove it
[23:29] <madm1ke_> aha
[23:30] <gajbooks> What would happen if I dd'd a Ubuntu iso to a HD?
[23:30] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: do you have  hardware switch for your wireless card?
[23:30] <BarkingFish> other things are reliant on it though....
[23:30] <Scunizi> I can run Synaptic from a terminal.. just not from the launcher
[23:30] <tobe> BarkingFish: ... then idont know what is going on...  so maybe i should do another fresh install???
[23:30] <BarkingFish> I'm lost on this one I'm afraid, tobe, maybe someone here has got a better answer for you
[23:30] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Yes, and I've tried switching it on and off, same result - no wifi
[23:30] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: and install the package "rfkill" and then post the output of "rfkill list"
[23:31] <BarkingFish> I wouldn't reinstall yet, someone here may have the skill to fix this, but it's not me. Sorry :(
[23:31] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: did you try turning it off and on again just now, too?
[23:31] <tobe> BarkingFish: thanks for taking the time, ill keep searching and if all else fails ill do a fresh install
[23:32] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Yes, and it doesn't work :(
[23:32] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: then post the "rfkill list" output
[23:32] <matthieu637> i'm looking for a software to put some text on my video ( it's a tutorial ), do u have any idea?
[23:32] <gajbooks> Is is possible to dd a Ubuntu iso to an HD and install it from there?
[23:32] <slipttees> hi guys, please help my SD multicard won't work
[23:32] <slipttees> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader
[23:32] <BarkingFish> tobe, you're welcome. I'm just sorry I couldn't sort out a fix for you, but I've not had an nvidia card for sometime.
[23:32] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: 0: acer-wireless: Wireless LAN
[23:32] <nojeb0012> 	Soft blocked: yes
[23:32] <nojeb0012> 	Hard blocked: no
[23:32] <nojeb0012> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[23:32] <nojeb0012> 	Soft blocked: no
[23:33] <nojeb0012> 	Hard blocked: yes
[23:33] <FloodBot1> nojeb0012: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:33] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: please use the paste-service..
[23:33] <nojeb0012> Sorry o.o
[23:33] <slipttees> maybe somewhere can help me?
[23:33] <cedriczg> Hi there
[23:33] <hiho77> mkanyicy: thought about to remove it, but i als read that if i remove it from 11.10, i might have hard problems to find anything with standard "search". Do you know if i can remove it without having other problems?
[23:34] <slipttees> hi guys, please help my SD multicard won't work
[23:34] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/753128/
[23:34] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: "sudo rfkill unblock all" might help
[23:34] <slipttees> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader
[23:34] <mkanyicy> hiho77, in my opinion, you are giving yourself unnecessary headache
[23:34] <cedriczg> Any QUANTA user here that found Quanta is no more supported under ubuntu oneiric?
[23:34] <cedriczg> I would like to find a substitute but could not yet
[23:35] <cedriczg> bluefish has no intelligent files upload as Quanta has...
[23:35] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_:  No, that doesn't work either.
[23:35] <mkanyicy> cedriczg, there is no quanta user here
[23:36] <mkanyicy> cedriczg, as you can see
[23:36] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: according to rfkill your phy0 (wireless device) is hard blocked
[23:36] <sikilpaake> how can i tell if a package is from a ppa i added or from the original repository?
[23:36] <slipttees> nothing?
[23:36] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: that means a hardware switch is set to off - what netbook do you have?
[23:36] <steve84> hi i am having some issues with my webcam can someone help me out please
[23:37] <madm1ke_> sikilpaake: "apt-cache policy package-name" in terminal
[23:37] <mcphail> sikilpaake: apt-cache policy packagename
[23:37] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_:  There's no way to tell since the LEDs don't light up
[23:37] <slipttees> hi guys, please help my SD multicard won't work
[23:37] <slipttees> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 multicard reader
[23:37] <cedriczg> mkanyicy, I see. Do you know under which channel should I look for?
[23:37] <mkanyicy> !patience|slipttees,
[23:37] <slipttees> plug SD noting happenin
[23:38] <mkanyicy> cedriczg, look no further
[23:38] <hiho77> mkanyicy: Ya, maybe. I was just surprised which and how much information that service gaters. So i got kind of worried... normally i´ve seen this kind of acquisitiveness only at google ^^
[23:38] <hugli> /join #irssi
[23:38] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_:  There's no way to tell since the LEDs don't light up
[23:39] <steve84> hi i am having some issues with my webcam can someone help me out please
[23:39] <Darkened> Back
[23:39] <hiho77> mkanyicy: but maybe im just too paranoid, yes.
[23:39] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: my question was "what netbook do you have"
[23:39] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Acer Aspire One 531h ZG8
[23:39] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: and i can read just fine
[23:39] <matthieu637> i'm looking for a software to put some text on my video ( it's a tutorial ), do u have any idea?
[23:39] <Scunizi> steve84: you have to be more specific.. have you loaded and tried "cheese" as a test?
[23:39] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: does the output of "rfkill list" change when you hit the wireless switch?
[23:39] <mkanyicy> hiho77, if you are to paranoid, then clear the zeitgeist cache all the time
[23:40] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: I just tried hitting the switch, wait a couple of seconds, then rfkill list - but nothing changes
[23:40] <steve84> Scunizi:  yes i tried using cheese but it doesnt show the webcam and yesterday it worked
[23:41] <mkanyicy> steve84, install cheese and then ALT+F2 and type cheese and then look at the camera and say cheese until a webcam app shows up
[23:41] <Scunizi> matthieu637: try openshot .. it's in the package manager.
[23:41] <JSysTeM> mkanyicy: when i put it over windows it runs normaly but seems the bootsec is currupted somehow any idea
[23:41] <steve84> Scunizi:  maybe it is having issues i did an update today
[23:41] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: does "lsmod | grep acer-wmi" list anything?
[23:41] <mkanyicy> JSysTeM, no idea
[23:41] <Scunizi> steve84: we've had a couple updates in the last week or so.. after any of those did  you reboot?
[23:41] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Nope.
[23:42] <steve84> yes i reboot after every update
[23:42] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: "sudo modprobe acer-wmi"
[23:42] <sikilpaake> mcphail: apt-cache policy packagename ? ALLRIGHT! thanks!
[23:42] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: that is "Acer Laptop WMI Extras Driver" - maybe that will change something
[23:42] <sikilpaake> mcphail: thanks again :)
[23:43] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: rfkill list, nothing changed after last command
[23:43] <steve84> Scunizi:  and skype doesnt even want to recognize my webcam
[23:44] <mcphail> sikilpaake: my pleasure
[23:44] <Scunizi> steve84: rebooting is only necessary if you get a new kernel.. check Http://ubuntuforums.org for your make and model of web cam.. sorry I'm no expert with then.
[23:44] <LivTyler> steve84: is it working with cheese?
[23:44] <steve84> Scunizi: no prob thanks for the help though
[23:44] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: post the last lines of "sudo dmesg" again and try if "sudo rfkill unblock all" works
[23:45] <MonkeyDust> what does rfkill do?
[23:45] <sikilpaake> mcphail: i just installed this ppa, https://launchpad.net/~brightbox/+archive/ruby-ng how can i get ubuntu to download *this* ruby1.9.1 and not the one from its original repository?
[23:46] <madm1ke_> MonkeyDust: stops/starts all kind of radio interfaces
[23:46] <steve84> LivTyler: its not working with cheese or skype
[23:46] <LivTyler> MonkeyDust: it shuts down/starts all your Wifi cards
[23:46] <MonkeyDust> ok
[23:46] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753145/
[23:46] <LivTyler> !webcam
[23:47] <mcphail> sikilpaake: "sudo aptitude install packagename=packageversion" - just be aware that ppa's can be dangerous
[23:47] <Scunizi> sikilpaake: have you refreshed the cache for the package manager?  sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search ruby-ng
[23:48] <LivTyler> steve84: is your cam on the Hardware Compatibility List ?
[23:48] <yeats> squaregoldfish: back
[23:48] <steve84> my webcam is built in to my LG R380 laptop
[23:48] <steve84> i dont know the model
[23:49] <Rxuser> damn!
[23:49] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: well that sucks
[23:49] <mcphail> sikilpaake: the other trrick is "sudo aptitude install packagename/archivename"
[23:49] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Out of ideas? :/
[23:49] <mcphail> *trick
[23:50] <Rxuser> no config file to edit for unity?
[23:50] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: I'll be rolling back to 11.04 instead, wait for better times. Maybe 12.04 makes it work again.
[23:50] <Gskellig> Is there any KDE software that WON'T work in gnome?
[23:50] <Rxuser> this left tray/launcher is disturbing
[23:51] <Rxuser> need to be at the bottom with smaller icons :P
[23:51] <Xelmep> i need help about connection to pptp server on ubuntu 10.04
[23:51] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Thanks a lot for your help, appreciate it.
[23:51] <Rxuser> or perhaps just have it removed and let tint2 get the job done
[23:52] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: do you have dual boot on the machine?
[23:52] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: aka is there still a windows present?
[23:52] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: Yes, there is. Windows 7 Starter
[23:53] <TimStarling> does anyone triage ubuntu bugs anymore?
[23:53] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: it might be worth a shot to boot windows, enable wifi (with the switch) and reboot to ubuntu
[23:53] <madm1ke_> nojeb0012: and while you reboot check if your bios has some wireless options
[23:53] <TimStarling> the last 3 bugs I reported, all I got was tumbleweeds
[23:54] <nojeb0012> madm1ke_: It's always on in Windows - and i'm about to run out of time. So, if not today, i'll be here some other day.
[23:54] <Xelmep> i need help about connection to pptp server on ubuntu 10.04. I cant connect
[23:54] <TimStarling> for one of them, I installed a debian chroot and filed a debian bug instead
[23:54] <TimStarling> it was fixed straight away
[23:55] <nojeb0012> Thanks mate
[23:55] <mcphail> TimStarling: there are far fewer developers than bug reports. Sometimes upstrream bugs are better reported upstream
[23:55] <TimStarling> upstream as in debian?
[23:55] <TimStarling> debian is cool but their bug tracker is kind of arcane
[23:55] <mcphail> TimStarling: if that is appropriate in the context then yes.
[23:56] <Xelmep> HELP About PPTP Server on Ubuntu !!!
[23:56] <TimStarling> I haven't bothered trying to report an actual upstream bug to ubuntu for a while
[23:56] <LivTyler> stevecam: are you steve84?
[23:56] <TimStarling> but I figured that maybe for packaging errors I would get some response
[23:56] <TimStarling> but it seems like even there, just tumbleweeds
[23:57] <TimStarling> some day I'm going to report a bug which is actually ubuntu's fault, not debian's or upstream's
[23:57] <TimStarling> is there some keyword I should use to get people to actually look at it?
[23:58] <LivTyler> Xelmep: try #ubuntu-server chan
[23:58] <Xelmep>  ok
[23:58] <Xelmep> i will try
[23:59] <TimStarling> see, I'm pretty sure that nobody even reads my bugs
[23:59] <mcphail> TimStarling: read some online tutorials about preparing a good bug report, phrase it well, add appropriate documentation and direct it to the correct person. There is an art to it. Badly formed or misdirected bug reports are a waste of everyone's time.
[23:59] <TimStarling> because if someone went to the trouble of working out whether a bug is ubuntu's fault or debian's fault, they would probably say so in a comment
[23:59] <LivTyler> !bug
[23:59] <TimStarling> sure, but there's no point in writing a good bug report if nobody is going to read it
[23:59] <jeff3> Hello?
[23:59] <TimStarling> I can just email the maintainer directly I guess


[17:07] <erges> hello,is anybody there?
 Here’s a screwball question: is anyone running kodi under lubuntu on a pi4?
[20:32] <Noboru55> Hello everybody!
[20:33] <wxl> hey
[20:33] <Noboru55> when i connect the usb to my iphone, i get mount-doubling. two foldes with name pictures and two folders with documents
[20:34] <wxl> oh no not an i-thing
[20:34] <Noboru55> it does not happen to xfce or ubuntu, only in lubuntu
[20:34] <wxl> what version?
[20:34] <Noboru55> lol
[20:34] <Noboru55> 18.04
[20:34] <wxl> sigh
[20:34] <Noboru55> i am sorry for iStuff
[20:34] <wxl> well i'm going to give you the bad news
[20:34] <Noboru55> okay
[20:34] <wxl> it's clearly an issue with the file manager, which is a component of lxde
[20:34] <Noboru55> i was thinking about galaxy bold anyway
[20:34] <wxl> lxde really hasn't seen any development in years
[20:34] <wxl> once we hit april next year, we will stop supporting 18.04
[20:35] <wxl> (which is good because lxde isn't getting any updates anyways)
[20:35] <wxl> so you can file a bug on this if you want, but chances are you're not going to see it fixed
[20:35] <wxl> try lxqt instead
[20:35] <Noboru55> the 19.10 ?
[20:35] <wxl> at least there, if there is a problem, we can file a bug and it will get fixed!
[20:35] <wxl> yep
[20:35] <Noboru55> can i explain why i am 18.04?
[20:36] <wxl> sure
[20:37] <Noboru55> first i had xubuntu installed, so i liked the 18.04, i tried the 19.10 but for some reason my xubuntu 19.10 works slowly, like, when copy or move files, everything get stuck,, and i do not know, its weird slow here, so i was using the 18.04...   after some tests i decided to try lubuntu 18.04 and its faster than anything.. it works better for my
[20:37] <Noboru55> cpu too
[20:37] <wxl> right so couple things about that
[20:38] <wxl> 1. xubuntu and lubuntu aren't the same XD
[20:38] <Noboru55> so i am a little afraid to try lubuntu 18.10
[20:38] <wxl> xubuntu is probably slower because of changes within xubuntu
[20:38] <Noboru55> but the kernel is not the same?
[20:38] <wxl> it never really was a "lightweight" desktop environment and it's been bloating up over the years
[20:38] <Noboru55> mmmm
[20:38] <wxl> the kernel is the same but the likelihood of the kernel making your system run slower is practically zero
[20:38] <Noboru55> right
[20:39] <Noboru55> so.. lubuntu 19.10 will get support till ? 2023?
[20:39] <wxl> 2. lxqt has not shown itself to be significantly larger in footprint than lxde
[20:39] <Noboru55> omg. the lubuntu 18.04 took me a week to be working as i wish...  all visual style and other things
[20:40] <wxl> but even if you can show a difference, the difference exists because lxde is using an outdated toolkit (gtk2). lxqt was created because when trying to port to gtk3, it was WORSE in more ways than one than qt
[20:40] <Noboru55> i got it
[20:40] <Noboru55> last question
[20:40] <wxl> there's some other considerations:
[20:40] <Noboru55> could i change pcmanfm for thunar ?
[20:41] <Noboru55> i meant in 19.10
[20:41] <wxl>  * we don't support upgrading 18.04 to any other version because of the huge difference in not only the desktop environment but because of all the applications. i'd recommend a full re-install
[20:41] <Noboru55> because in 18.04 it is a problem
[20:41] <Noboru55> i will
[20:41] <Noboru55> going to download right now
[20:41] <Noboru55> thanks for open my eyes
[20:41] <wxl>  * though 19.10 has a relatively limited support window (it's not an lts), you can easily upgrade to the lts that's due in april
[20:42] <Noboru55> ahhh
[20:42] <Noboru55> did not know it
[20:42] <Noboru55> its good
[20:42] <wxl>  * the current lubuntu paradigm (lxqt and mostly qt apps) will be supported indefinitely
[20:42] <Noboru55> its 19.04
[20:42] <Noboru55> no 19.10
[20:42] <wxl>  * lxqt upstream is very, very active, so bug fixes happen quickly
[20:42] <wxl> are you on lubuntu.net?
[20:42] <wxl> cuz that's not out website :/
[20:42] <wxl> they're always outdated
[20:42] <Noboru55> https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[20:43] <Noboru55> really ?
[20:43] <wxl> look at the topic
[20:43] <Noboru55> lol
[20:43] <wxl> or wikipedia, or distrowatch, or ubuntu.com, or… etc etc etc
[20:43] <wxl> the only place you will see lubuntu.net mentioned is in blindly doing web searches
[20:43] <Noboru55> https://lubuntu.me/
[20:43] <wxl> you should write them and tell them to take their stupid, confusing website down
[20:43] <Noboru55> now i see the 19.10
[20:44] <wxl> they won't listen to me, but maybe from an actual user who's confused it would be given the consideration it deserves
[20:44] <Noboru55> 1,6 gb downloading
[20:44] <Noboru55> alright i will write
[20:44] <wxl> anywho i'm not sure i answered it but you can swap out file managers
[20:44] <wxl> the only consideration is that you might be dragging in a bunch of unnecessary dependencies to find that file manager
[20:44] <wxl> s/find/install/
[20:45] <Noboru55> in 18.04 i tried to purge pcmanfm and installl thunar, but when i click the right buttom on the desktop i did not see anymore the desktop preferences option, only a openbox menu
[20:45] <Noboru55> that was really weird
[20:45] <wxl> i would personally suggest dolphin since i know it's based on qt
[20:45] <Noboru55> pcmanfm is part of the lubuntu i guess
[20:45] <wxl> i wouldn't recommend removing one, but install a second one
[20:46] <Noboru55> i will do some tests before to download other filemanager
[20:46] <Noboru55> is dolphin lightweight?
[20:46] <Noboru55> i have a dual core processor ... 4gb ram ddr3 but 512mb video shared
[20:46] <Noboru55> so...
[20:46] <wxl> well here's my experience: kubuntu isn't actually all that heavy
[20:46] <wxl> but it's not meant to be lightweight
[20:46] <wxl> see the xubuntu problem above
[20:46] <Noboru55> kubunt is so beautifull
[20:46] <wxl> but i think with just one component, you won't have an issue
[20:47] <wxl> lxqt lubuntu has a couple kde bits in it and it doesn't harm anything
[20:47] <wxl> just as long as we don't get plasma-desktop! that's the worst!
[20:47] <Noboru55> i agree
[20:47] <Noboru55> i do not use transparency too
[20:47] <Noboru55> weak video
[20:48] <Noboru55> lol
[20:48] <Noboru55> i am connect to wrong server
[20:48] <Noboru55> ops, wrong wifi
[20:48] <Noboru55> so my internet is too slow to download
[20:48] <Noboru55> i will back later
[20:49] <Noboru55> now i am choose the wifi and download lubuntu 19.10
[20:49] <Noboru55> i will back to tell u what i think about it
[20:49] <Noboru55> thank u
[20:49] <wxl> ok be well!
[20:50] <c|oneman> there's a new one. I did "ls" in a terminal window but it didnt work because I had deleted and re-created that folder
[20:50] <c|oneman> from the last time that I had hit cd
[20:52] <wxl> not really a lubuntu problem. more of a kernel problem, if any
[20:52] <c|oneman> yeah , I was using debian. heh
[20:52] <wxl> i see it as more of a user error. don't be in a folder that you plan on deleting :)
[20:52] <c|oneman> well it highlights how things work in the bandend, at least for a GUI terminal
[20:52] <c|oneman> backend
[20:52] <wxl> i'm sure it would be similar if you weren't in x
[20:53] <wxl> e.g. open two ttys, be in the folder in one, delete it in the other, ls in the first -> fail
[21:15] <c|oneman> yeah, its the same thing in 2 ssh sessions
[21:15] <c|oneman> delete folder & create it again, ls fails
[21:15] <c|oneman> I guess its 'ls'ing a specific folder ID and not a path name
[21:16] <c|oneman> still, it could create confusion if you're trying to nano or cat something and you're getting no results
[21:17] <c|oneman> heh. tried to do it in Windows but windows locks the folder if you have it 'open' in cmd.exe
[21:30] <wxl> c|oneman: inodes.
[22:42] <Noboru55> wxl hey, i am using 19.10 now.
[22:43] <Noboru55> i am banned from freenode, needed to connect in another wifi
[22:43] <Noboru55> wxl it looks like kde...
[22:51] <wxl> Noboru55: you mean they both look like qt
[22:52] <Noboru55> yes, but i am ... confuse
[22:52] <Noboru55> do you know how can i set a dark theme ? i could change the window style, for numix (i like) and the panel is lubuncu darc .. ok
[22:52] <Noboru55> the pcmanfan is not dark...
[22:53] <Noboru55> pcmanfm
[22:54] <wxl> @HMollerCl ^^^
[22:59] <Noboru55> wxl maybe its the qt style... still trying
[23:00] <Noboru55> google chrome i modified the preferences to use the gtk style
[23:06] <Noboru55> why they change to qt
[23:06] <Noboru55> =/
 Norobus pcmanfm needs to restart for changes to take effect
 Since it also handles the desktop closing all the windows won't restart it. You could manually restart the desktop or logout/lohin
[23:33] <Noboru55> wxl needed to install qt5-style-plugins  so change the openbox theme, and then the style to gtk2
[23:34] <Noboru55> oO it was hard to do


[14:13] <nhandler> Anyone know why we have the touchlay meeting on the Fridge calendar? The irc channel is on a different network, and the website doesn't appear ubuntu related
[14:50] <NRWlion> gotta check this!
[14:50] <NRWlion> keep you posted!
[15:06] <holstein> nhandler: spam?
[15:07] <nigelb> holstein: you will be around over the weekend?
[15:07] <nhandler> holstein: Nope. It is a legit project, and I know I've heard of it from somewhere. It is also being built on top of Ubuntu. I just don't think it belongs on the fridge
[15:08] <holstein> nigelb: i'll be in and out, but i should be able to do summaries
[15:09] <nhandler> Awesome!
[15:09] <holstein> tomorrow is pretty loose
[15:09] <nigelb> ok, I'll try to be around. But there's a possibility I have to go home (family emergency)
[15:10] <holstein> nigelb: sorry to hear that... im sure we'll work it out
[15:20] <NRWlion> hey there
[15:23] <holstein> im going to try and recruit some newsies today at our local LUG meeting :)
[15:27] <holstein> i hate to ask, but... do we have a news team mailing list that i should be on?
[15:27] <holstein> seems like something i should already know the answer to
[15:28] <holstein> i remembered getting something from lyz not to long ago, but i actually checked, and that was to the xubntu list
[15:29] <nigelb> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-news-team
[15:29] <NRWlion> moin moin holstein and nigelb
[15:30] <NRWlion> nhandler: u there?
[18:07] <nhandler> Looks like I missed NRWlion. I'm in and out a lot, so if someone catches him, tell him to just ask what he needs to ask (either here, PM, or email), and I'll reply when I get back
[22:29] <NRWlion> hey there
[22:29] <holstein> 13:03 < nhandler> Looks like I missed NRWlion. I'm in and out a lot, so if someone catches him, tell him to just ask what he  needs to ask (either here, PM, or email), and I'll reply when I get back
[22:30] <holstein> NRWlion: o/
[22:30] <NRWlion> holstein copy that


[21:00] <MikeRL> I read this comment in a recent PPA update: "This is the last version of this addon, and will be dropped in the next Firefox release" with regards to the global menu extension. Does this mean Firefox will no longer integrate with the global menu?
[21:31] <MikeRL> I read this comment in a recent PPA update: "This is the last version of this addon, and will be dropped in the next Firefox release" with regards to the global menu extension. Does this mean Firefox will no longer integrate with the global menu?


[10:49] <Mirv> tsdgeos: Saviq: the silo that would have the arm64 kernel fix seems to give segfaults on i386 (amd64 fine<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:49] <Saviq> Mirv, uh oh
[10:50] <Mirv> of course, it's not "just" arm64 kernel fix, it's modifying internal V4 bit usage
[10:54] <tsdgeos> :/
[10:54] <tsdgeos> aren't we dropping i386 anyway....
[10:54] <tsdgeos> no that's archlinux :D
[10:55] <tsdgeos> Mirv: so what's in that silo?
[11:26] <Mirv> and he dropped
[13:00] <Mirv> tsdgeos: before you dropped, you asked about the silo contents. diff is here https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-2519/2017-03-03_12:00:07/xenial_qtdeclarative-opensource-src_content.diff
[13:01] <Mirv> ah, that's not a good diff as the patches were included before but commented out, let me find better
[13:03] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok maybe this is easiest 1. https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/171236/ 2. https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/169892 3. https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/173667/
[13:03] <Mirv> all post-5.6.2 commits to 5.6 branch
[13:09] <tsdgeos> Mirv: only 3 patches?
[13:09] <tsdgeos> damn
[18:44] <mterry> ltinkl: how do I get the OSK to appear in normal unity8 session?  I enabled it in the keyboard indicator, but I still don't see the icon in text entries
[18:45] <ltinkl> mterry, I assume you have the silo installed; do you also have ubuntu-keyboard-english installed?
[18:46] <mterry> ltinkl: aha -- yes to silo, no to u-k-e -- will try again, thx
[18:47] <ltinkl> mterry, then check in u-s-s what OSK layout is enabled (if any)
[18:49] <mterry> ltinkl: came up after installing u-k-e, great
[18:50] <ltinkl> mterry, cool :) I think there's a bug about the missing dep on u-k-e
[18:58] <mterry> ltinkl: why is the toggle in the greeter in the prompt instead of the indicator like it is for the session?  Seems weird, but I'm not a design guy


[13:18] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: The State of Robotics – January 2022 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-state-of-robotics-january-2022


[11:24] <evfool> hey all, I would be interested in implementing a launchpad bugtracker plugin, and need to know whether a bug tracker plugin can modify the bug title on launchpad
[12:02] <wgrant> evfool: Launchpad bugwatches can only import status and importance.
[12:02] <wgrant> cjohnston, cprov: Joining?
[12:02] <cjohnston> I'm in there
[12:03] <wgrant> Are you sure?
[12:23] <evfool> wgrant: meaning that if I would like an integration with an external site which does change the bug title, I would have to modify the launchpad core, and that's probably not going to get accepted (just for the sake of providing better integration with an external bugtracker)
[12:23] <evfool> ?
[12:32] <wgrant> evfool: Bugwatches aren't really meant to do that. They're usually used by projects or distributions that use Launchpad's bugtracker, and they mostly want Launchpad to tell them when the same bug on a remote bugtracker is fixed.
[12:32] <wgrant> So it shouldn't automatically change the Launchpad title.
[12:32] <wgrant> What are you trying to do?
[12:33] <evfool> wgrant: bountysource integration, but the only pluggable thing I have found in launchpad are bugtrackers, which bountysource is
[12:33] <evfool> see bug 1325045
[12:33] <_mup_> Bug #1325045: Bountysource integration [$100] <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1325045>
[12:34] <wgrant> That doesn't seem like a good fit for bugwatch integration.
[12:34] <wgrant> Why do you particularly want it integrated in Bugs, or indeed Launchpad at all?
[12:35] <evfool> wgrant: the elementary project uses bountysource to provide bug bounties, and uses launchpad for bug tracking, code reviews, merge proposals and others
[12:36] <evfool> wgrant: when adding a bounty, that appears only on bountysource, and they would like better integration with launchpad to have some sort of status on bugs with bounties about the bounty
[12:37] <evfool> currently, each bug gets manually commented with a link to the bountysource issue, the title gets updated to contain the bounty value, and occasionally a bounty tag is added too
[12:37] <wgrant> I'd suggest a bot using the Launchpad API instead
[12:37] <wgrant> I think that makes more sense than a bugwatch here.
[12:38] <evfool> wgrant: thanks, I'll look into integrating from the other side, through a bot making the changes
[12:38] <wgrant> You can file a bug using the createBug method on https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html, using https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[12:39] <evfool> wgrant: bounties get added to already existing launchpad bugs, so I'm not gonna create tickets, but I'll look for updateBug then
[12:39] <evfool> thanks for your help
[13:21] <wgrant> cprov, cjohnston: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7587437/ gets it down to six queries per translated string.
[13:21] <wgrant> I'm not sure the second change is totally correct in the presence of shared POTMsgSets; we need to entire that the TranslationMessage has the correct POFile set, not just getOnePOFile
[13:23] <cprov> wgrant: CurrentTranslationMessageZoomedView.zoom_url calls self.sequence too
[13:24] <cprov> wgrant: self.context.sequence should fix it
[13:24] <wgrant> cprov: I'm not seeing duplicated queries from that here.
[13:26] <wgrant> Though we shouldn't be using the ZoomedView multiple times one on page anyway
[13:26] <wgrant> That's why it's zoomed.
[13:27] <wgrant> I'm not sure how much further we can reasonably go here without combining the views.
[13:27] <wgrant> So turn the CurrentTranslationMessageView thing into a view that actually renders somewhere between 0 and infinity of them
[13:28] <wgrant> Running all the suggestion queries etc. in bulk
[13:28] <wgrant> We could hack this into the model, but it's going to be ugly and I'm not sure it's worth it.
[13:28] <wgrant> cprov: What do you think?
[13:29] <cprov> wgrant: I think it will be a long journey, considering the current code shape
[13:29] <wgrant> It's going to be either way
[13:29] <wgrant> The view code does all the suggestion etc. calculations itself
[13:30] <wgrant> We need to move that somewhere higher up
[13:30] <wgrant> I'm not sure how much per-message code is left once we do that
[13:30] <wgrant> And anything that is left is probably crap :)
[13:31] <cprov> agreed, minor amendings are not getting us anywhere
[13:33] <cprov> they will probably take as much time and break as many tests as writing a string-batch-loader from scratch.
[13:33] <wgrant> The code in question is mostly browser/{pofile,translationmessage}.py, right?
[13:34] <wgrant> It's big and ugly, but I think it's probably worth basically doing a massive refactor which turns it into a megaview.
[13:34] <wgrant> Hacking the bulk loading in is only going to make it worse, and it's already like 10 years of hacks
[13:39] <cprov> wgrant: well, the megaview would still be in charge of doing the bulk loading of subviews, no ?
[13:40] <wgrant> cprov: I'm not sure there'd be many subviews.
[13:40] <cprov> or do you mean to collapse those too ?
[13:40] <wgrant> Almost all of the logic would end up in the megaview that renders n messages
[13:40] <wgrant> I suspect the per-message templates would end up as macros, not entire views.
[13:41] <cprov> makes sense
[13:57] <wgrant> cjohnston, cprov: I'm done, be back in a sec if you want to hang out again yo.
[13:57] <cjohnston> k
[14:01] <wgrant> So many queries :(


[01:25] <wgrant> Publisher disabled for surgery, hopefully have it back up within an hour.
[04:38]  * ScottK wonders how the surgery went.
[06:47] <infinity> ScottK: The patient survived.
[16:33] <infinity> cjwatson: Can you review the d-i in the trusty queue (well, maybe "review", the changeset is a bit large to audit line-by-line) for me?  I've test-built it in my PPA on all arches, and test-installed vanilla and lts-utopic flavours on amd64, powerpc64, and ppc64el
[16:39] <cjwatson> infinity: Looks pretty plausible to me.  No armhf/keystone?
[16:39] <infinity> cjwatson: There's no utopic keystone kernel.
[16:40] <cjwatson> Good a reason as any.
[16:41] <infinity> Ta.