[02:48] <tex_D_> someone alive here?
[02:49] <tex_D_> ther's a way to see thumbnails while uploading a photo? i can see only one on the right , one for photo
[02:49] <tex_D_> with many photos become difficult to recognize the one i want
[02:57] <blahdeblah> tex_D_: I need a little more context to understand your issue
[02:57] <tex_D_> good evening
[02:57] <tex_D_> for example
[02:57] <tex_D_> when i try to upload a photo in imageshack
[02:57] <tex_D_> with firefox
[02:58] <tex_D_> a popup window comes out showing my files
[02:58] <tex_D_> these files (photos) are not in thumbnail
[02:58] <tex_D_> are in list  and only one has the thumbnail on the right
[02:59] <blahdeblah> Does imageshack use a Java uploader or something like that?
[02:59] <blahdeblah> I've never used imageshack
[02:59] <tex_D_> if i need to chose one photo in the middle of hundred photos i must ceck all these photos to see thumbnail
[02:59] <tex_D_> nah, is same even with ebay or others uploader
[03:00] <blahdeblah> P.S.  If you want some action closer to your timezone, try #ubuntu - there's no part of .au that one could use the term "evening" about right now.
[03:00] <tex_D_> try to go at imageshack website and try to upload, (u do not need to upload, just to see the thumbnails doesnt exist
[03:01] <tex_D_> yeah, sorry, my ubuntu-it has noone ionside, all sleeping, i'm from italy
[03:01] <tex_D_> if u need to sleep, don't worry, i'm also in ubuntu- en and us
[03:02] <blahdeblah> It's the middle of the day here...
[03:02] <tex_D_> oh, haha, is 4 am here
[03:03] <tex_D_> had you tried?
[03:03] <tex_D_> my mom mad at me please help :P lol
[03:04] <tex_D_> i've search on varius forum, but seems no solution for this
[03:04] <blahdeblah> hang on
[03:06] <blahdeblah> tex_D_: Are you using http://imageshack.us/content.php?page=uploader, or just the home page?  The former would likely work better.
[03:06] <tex_D_> is not only imageshack related, happens even for ebay of facebook or evry other upload
[03:06] <tex_D_> i try in the menwhile
[03:07] <blahdeblah> Try the specialised uploader - looks like it supports previews
[03:07] <blahdeblah> I imagine it won't be long before it's available as an Ubuntu package, since it's already in Debian sid.
[03:07] <tex_D_> i think is a firefox problem
[03:07] <tex_D_> what specialised uploader for?
[03:08] <tex_D_> i htink is a firefox upload-window problem
[03:10] <tex_D_> when i push open(in firefox whatever site i go) file, a firefox window popout and i have to choose the file in a list, these list are not in thumbnalis .sorry i want to be clear
[03:10] <tex_D_> (specific)
[03:13] <blahdeblah> tex_D_: If you use the specialised tool they provide, you don't have to worry about Firefox problems...
[03:14] <tex_D_> yes, but my problem is not imageshack, it was an example
[03:14] <tex_D_> for every site i go
[03:14] <tex_D_> when i push upload button
[03:15] <tex_D_> a windows comes out and thers not thumbnails in there , only a list of files
[03:15] <tex_D_> is possible to see thuimbnails in that list?
[03:16] <tex_D_> and not only one in hte right for only a photo?
[03:16] <tex_D_> now i get you a photo of what i mean
[03:19] <tex_D_> http://i56.tinypic.com/ohpgts.jpg
[03:19] <tex_D_> u can see, no thumbnails
[03:20] <tex_D_> only one for photo
[03:20] <tex_D_> while selecting the photo
[03:29] <head_victim> tex_D_: looks like a setting in nautilus
[03:30] <tex_D_> but in normal folder nautilus shows thumbnails
[03:31] <tex_D_> i'm gonna check
[03:31] <head_victim> tex_D_: you'll probably find the "upload" window calls the list view on purpose
[03:32] <tex_D_> wait a sec while i try
[03:34] <tex_D_> sorry, i do not understand
[03:34] <head_victim> Well it's not a firefox thing it's a nautilus thing from the picture you posted
[03:35] <tex_D_> it happens only in the upload window, in normal folders previews are ok
[03:35] <head_victim> tex_D_: yes, thats the bit I don't know why
[03:35] <head_victim> It's not website or firefox related though so was trying to help you narrow it down
[03:36] <tex_D_> i've tried to change the nautilus preview to "all" but doesnt work
[03:37] <tex_D_> wait a second i link to you a forum topic talking about this think
[03:39] <tex_D_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1840382
[03:40] <head_victim> bug 89381 seems to cover it
[03:40] <head_victim> Yeah that's what I found
[03:41] <tex_D_> i'm reading
[03:41] <head_victim> It seems to suggest that flash breaks it
[03:42] <head_victim> And that I was wrong about nautilus
[03:43] <head_victim> Bug 613886 seems related
[03:43] <head_victim> I'm sorry I have to run afk for a while but I hope that has give you a little more information.
[03:44] <tex_D_> htanks anyway
[03:44] <tex_D_> i go to bf vietnam , than sleep :)
[03:45] <tex_D_> and.. marry christmas :)


[00:00] <soren> The packages should figure it out somehow. I have an idea for this for intrepid.
[00:01] <_CitizenKane_> Hello everyone, I was wondering if there is a good tool to analyze things such as httpd access and error logs, php error log, etc. ?
[00:02] <_CitizenKane_> Ideally, it would also be web based
[00:20] <zul> ivoks: when you are done can you send me your debdiff for bacula
[01:40] <ivoks> zul: sure
[02:45] <kgoetz> right... sudo crashing is probably a bad thing
[02:46] <sommer> kgoetz: did you do a hardy apt-get upgrade?
[02:46] <kgoetz> sommer: yeah (i do expect it to be a known issue)
[02:47] <kgoetz> few other things didnt work in the dist-upgrade itself, but i expect thats unrelated
[02:47] <sommer> I totally just ran into the same issue... :-)
[02:48] <sommer> I thought I'd be clever and reboot, now the darn thing won't come back :\
[02:48] <kgoetz> :|
[02:48] <kgoetz> "interesting" *mentally notes he should be using apt-bugs*
[02:49] <kgoetz> i notice malloc's happening during the dist-upgrade
[02:49] <sommer> I didn't do a dist-upgrade... for that you should use do-release-upgrade
[02:50] <ivoks> sommer: remote server? :)
[02:50] <kgoetz> i dist-upgraded hardy -> hardy.
[02:51] <kgoetz> grr. do-release-upgrade, no man page
[02:51] <kgoetz> i cant open new terminals on the system in screen. interesting
[02:54] <kgoetz> !pastebin
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[02:55] <kgoetz> FYI: the mallocs/failed update: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59440/
[02:55] <kgoetz> and an example explosion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59441/
[02:56] <Jeeves_> root@unknown # zpool status  | grep ONLINE | grep -v raidz | grep -v state | grep -v pool | wc -l 46
[02:57] <sommer> kgoetz: I received the same sudo error
[02:58] <kgoetz> sommer: i ran sudo 3 tijmes, it errored slightly differently each time (probably just different memory addresses).
[02:59] <ivoks> wow, this looks bad
[03:00] <ivoks> don't reboot that machine
[03:00] <sommer> ivoks: you could argue that it's not good :-)
[03:01] <sommer> I'm getting an invalid uuid error... probably because the apt-get upgrade process didn't finish
[03:01] <ivoks> does 'update-grub' works?
[03:01]  * kgoetz doesnt have a root term open either :|
[03:01] <sommer> it's in a initramfs
[03:02] <sommer> I'll try recovery mode
[03:02] <ScottK2> I just had a build die on the buildd's on some kind of UUID error.  I wonder if it's related.
[03:05] <ivoks> ScottK2: dovecot.conf is a conffile?
[03:05] <ivoks> ScottK2: check out /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-common.conffiles
[03:07] <kgoetz> sommer: has it come back yet?
[03:09] <ScottK2> ivoks: soren corrected me a bit on that.
[03:09] <ScottK2> ivoks: Since it's manufactured and not shipped, it's not.  I missed that subtlety.
[03:09] <sommer> kgoetz: nope... not finding partitions by uuid, even in recovery
[03:09] <ivoks> right
[03:09] <ScottK2> ivoks: slangasek still thought it was poor form if actually legal.
[03:10] <sommer> kgoetz: trying boot disk (sigh)
[03:10] <kgoetz> sommer: gl
[03:10] <ivoks> i agree it's poor, but it is legal
[03:10]  * kgoetz cant check the server, pschulz01 has unpluged it
[03:11] <ivoks> and it's the best way to do it; forcing custom changes on everybody sounds... well arogant
[03:11] <ivoks> doing it trough ubuntu's mail-server task sounds like a product
[03:11] <ScottK2> ivoks: Won't current users get the diff thrown at them.
[03:12] <ScottK2> ivoks: Did you read slangesek and mathiaz's conversation on #ubuntu-devel?
[03:12] <ivoks> ScottK2: no, when was it?
[03:12]  * ScottK2 looks
[03:13] <ScottK2> ivoks: It starts with me asking slangesek about it at 22:31 UTC on Wed.
[03:14] <ivoks> ok, i'll read it
[03:17] <kgoetz> sommer: pschulz01: says he hasnt unplugged it, so it must have disconnected for some other reason :| (i'm getting connection refused).
[03:18] <kgoetz> we're turning it off and waiting for news
[03:19] <ivoks> meh... metapackage was my first proposal :/
[03:19] <sommer> kgoetz: weird stuff...
[03:20] <sommer> I've mounted my root partition using a recovery cd, but I don't have a /sbin
[03:20] <pschulz01> sommer: This sound scary
[03:20] <sommer> doh... nm it's target/sbin
[03:20] <kgoetz> sommer: uh... say what? thats ... bizzare?
[03:20] <pschulz01> sounds
[03:22] <sommer> kgoetz: did you have ebox installed?
[03:22] <sommer> I think mine blew up right after upgrading ebox
[03:22] <kgoetz> sommer: i didnt install it, so unless it was a dependancy/automagic no
[03:22] <sommer> kgoetz: ah... probably unrelated then
[03:27] <sommer> sigh... the emails have started
[03:27] <sommer> the libc error is only hardy right?
[03:27] <kgoetz> heh. get ready for a 5 day storm
[03:27] <kgoetz> mine was on hardy.
[03:30]  * sommer updating an edgy test machine
[03:30] <ajmitch> heh, I see what you mean - that's an unhappy person on devel-discuss
[03:32]  * kgoetz senses another 'owch' level of breakage hitting
[03:32] <ajmitch> "it's hardy, you get what you pay for"
[03:32] <kgoetz> yep
[03:33] <pschulz01> ajmitch: "If you break it, you get to keep both bits"
[03:34]  * ajmitch should look on the forums & see how many people have out out death threats already
[03:38] <sommer> edgy updated fine, trying feisty... fyi
[03:58] <sommer> feisty fine as well
[03:59] <sommer> probably only hardy was effected
[04:00] <ivoks> zul: debdiff is in your inbox
[04:14] <owh> Can someone please remind me how I get the full path to an executable in a process list?
[04:19] <sommer> ps -ef or ps aux
[04:21] <owh> sommer: Yeah, but there are processes in my hardy process list, like say: imap-login and [kthreadd], that have no path.
[04:21] <owh> I'm sure I'm missing something :)
[04:23] <owh> In case you're wondering, I'm trying to map running processes to installed packages so I can find which of my init.d scripts belong to those packages, so I can add them to the list to figure out if they need a status option.
[04:24] <owh> I'd rather not manually map 68 processes, but I may have to.
[04:24] <sommer> ah... I'd think there's a ps options somewhere, if not should be some info in /proc
[04:25] <owh> Lemmie see what drops out the bottom if I omit the ones that obviously do have a path.
[04:27] <owh> That halves it, that's a lot better :)
[04:28] <owh> Out of ignorance: Are the processes inside square brackets executables, or internal to the kernel or something else - rather, might they be associated with packages or not?
[04:29] <owh> Examples: [aio/0] [ata/0] [ata_aux] [kacpid] [kacpi_notify] [kblockd/0] [khelper] [kjournald] [kpsmoused] [kseriod]
[04:30] <sommer> I believe those are kernel processes
[04:30] <owh> So for this exercise I can probably ignore them?
[04:34] <sommer> I would think so, but you may want to get a second opinion from someone more knowledgeable about packaging :-)
[04:34] <owh> Chicken :)
[04:35] <owh> I'll start without and work my way down.
[04:35] <sommer> hheheh...  I do what I can
[04:50] <sommer> anyone know why on hardy I need to use sudo to create self signed cert?  without sudo I get: unable to write 'random state'. from openssl
[04:59] <sommer> aside from there being a permissions issue?
[05:12] <owh> Crap, well that isn't going to work that well. Can someone please check my reasoning?
[05:12] <owh> I'm trying to map running processes to packages to init.d scripts to find if they implement status.
[05:12] <owh> Example, running process, apache2
[05:12] <owh> Obviously there is an init.d script.
[05:13] <owh> The apache2 executable comes from apache2-mpm-prefork
[05:13] <owh> The init.d script comes from apache2.2-common
[05:14] <owh> So, there isn't a map between the apache2 process and the init.d script that controls it.
[05:14] <owh> Of course, I might just have chosen a really bad random example, but I'm thinking not.
[05:14] <owh> Anyone disagree with any of this?
[05:18] <sommer> owh: not exaclty sure what you mean by "map"?
[05:18] <sommer> but your statements seem logical to me
[05:18] <owh> Find a relationship between, ownership.
[05:19] <owh> As in, this process comes from this package which also has this init.d script.
[05:19] <sommer> that's what I thought, I think it will depend package by package
[05:19] <owh> Hence my utterance earlier :)
[05:19] <sommer> more so for applications that are split over more than one package... like apache2
[05:20] <sommer> so ya, seems like you're on the right track to me :-)
[05:20] <owh> I suspect that it will be true for mysql, postgress, php, ldap, etc :(
[05:20] <owh> I didn't really want to get into rdeps :)
[05:21] <owh> Perhaps it won't be all bad, perhaps some/many of the processes come from the same package. It looks like I might have to do this manually.
[05:21] <owh> That's not really something that we can run across all of the distro though at any time.
[05:24] <sommer> there's always a silver lining... heh
[05:25] <owh> Is there any chance that a process that is running that comes from a package, in our case, /usr/sbin/apache2 comes from apache2-mpm-prefork, doesn't depend on a package that provides the init.d, or is that a big assumption that does not hold true?
[05:27] <sommer> I would hazard that if there is it's a bug
[05:27] <sommer> should be safe to assume
[05:28] <owh> So, I should be able to map a process to it's package, then find the depends that have an init.d and make the link, at least identify the init.d (or more if there are others)
[05:29] <owh> I mean for most it might well be the same package, but for apache it obviously isn't.
[05:37] <owh> Apache continues to be fun. It depends on apache2.2-common which provides /etc/init.d/apache2, but it also depends on libc6 which provides /etc/init.d/glibc.sh
[05:38] <owh> ROTFL
[05:39] <owh> Hmm, that didn't work either.
[05:39] <owh> I'll leave you all alone for a bit :|
[05:43] <sommer> owh: go ahead and update... what's the worst that could happen? :-)
[05:43]  * sommer past bed time... sigh
[05:43] <owh> Update?
[05:43] <sommer> hardy libc
[05:43] <owh> Nah, I'm not game :)
[05:43] <sommer> heh... don't blame ya
[05:43]  * owh saw the message to the list and the smack down :)
[05:44]  * owh is writing lovely code: cut -b76- hardy.process.list  | grep ^/ | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq | while read process ; do dpkg -S $process ; done | grep -v 'diversion by' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq | while read
[05:44] <owh> :)
[05:45] <sommer> owh: party!
[05:45] <owh> It's a Piiiiiiipppppppeeeee
[05:47] <owh> Whoot, I think I have some lift off: cut -b76- hardy.process.list  | grep ^/ | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq | while read process ; do dpkg -S $process ; done | grep -v 'diversion by' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq | while read package ; do init=`dpkg -L $package|grep /etc/init.d` ; if test "$init" ; then echo $process -\> $package -\> $init ; fi; done
[05:47] <owh> I suppose it should be prefaced with ps -af |
[05:48] <owh> and the hardy.process.list removed
[05:48] <owh> Making it:
[05:49] <kgoetz> you should probably quite the grep
[05:49] <kgoetz> *quote
[05:49] <owh> ps -Af | cut -b76- | grep ^/ | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq | while read process ; do dpkg -S $process ; done | grep -v 'diversion by' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq | while read package ; do init=`dpkg -L $package|grep /etc/init.d` ; if test "$init" ; then echo $process -\> $package -\> $init ; fi; done
[05:49] <owh> :(
[05:49] <owh> That's wrong
[05:50] <kgoetz> whats it meant to do?
[05:51] <owh> Hold on, I broke some logic.
[05:52] <owh> kgoetz: It's in the process of giving me the init.d scripts that belong to running processes :)
[05:53] <owh> I'm trying to make it too pretty :)
[05:54] <kgoetz> owh: i see... looking in /etc/init.d not complex enough? :P
[05:54] <owh> Well, there's 68 in there and we only really want the ones that have a daemon running.
[05:57] <owh> ps -ealf | cut -b76- | grep ^/ | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq | while read process ; do dpkg -S $process ; done | grep -v 'diversion by' | sort | uniq | sed 's/://' | while read package process ; do init=`dpkg -L $package|grep /etc/init.d` ; if test "$init" ; then echo $process -\> $package -\> $init ; fi; done
[05:57] <owh> That's better.
[06:09] <owh> I love machine readable output, especially the kind that isn't.
[06:09] <owh> If you're wondering: apt-cache depends samba
[06:16] <owh> ScottK2 Well said on udd
[06:18] <ScottK2> Thanks
[06:50] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <henkjan> hmm, today no dist-upgrading for me
[08:34] <ivoks> :)
[08:34] <ivoks> i just recovered from it
[08:58] <mok0> This mornings libc6 upgrade is corrupt!
[08:59] <soren> It is.
[08:59] <mok0> My friend just smashed his hardy system
[09:00] <soren> An update is in the works.
[09:00] <soren> We need to write up some instructions for recovering, though.
[09:06] <owh> Just as a matter of interest, what's the process of notification for such instructions?
[09:06] <owh> I mean, if I'm a sysadmin, buried in the bowels of a server that is borked because something like this happened, how would I go about finding a solution?
[09:07] <owh> Is there an RSS feed for stuff like this for example?
[09:07] <owh> Or a mailing list?
[09:10] <henkjan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886 has some instructions for recovering
[09:11] <owh> Another way to think of this might be to say: "Imagine this big organisation Ubuntu that has server farms scattered around the planet. (And workstations for that matter.) The people in this room are the back-line support for these devices. How would we notify our remote server teams (people whom we call system administrators) of outages or faults."
[10:17] <AnRkey> are there any nfs heros here?
[10:18] <AnRkey> i can't mount my nfs share with write permissions for love nor pizza
[10:19] <_ruben> AnRkey: sounds like a problem i had in the past .. cant remember if and if so, how, i fixed it tho :(
[10:19] <AnRkey> _ruben, common! i have to know :D
[10:20] <AnRkey> it's driving me nutes
[10:20] <AnRkey> nuts
[10:20] <AnRkey> _ruben, how did you mount the share in your fstab?
[10:42] <mok0> soren: on a live system: for f in ` dpkg -L`; do cp $f /media/blahblah; done
[10:42] <mok0> s/-L/-L libc6/
[10:43] <soren> Or just dpkg --root /media/blahblah -i /tmp/dpkg*.deb
[10:43] <soren> Er..
[10:43] <soren> Or just dpkg --root /media/blahblah -i /tmp/libc6*.deb
[10:44] <mok0> soren: Ah, another dpkg switch I didn't know about :-)
[10:45] <soren> :)
[10:47] <ProbeDot> i need to connect to it via internet, i have 50 xp stations connected to a 2003 server using roaming profiles (desktop,my documents,registery,etc are stored on the server), the internet gateway is the centos server, so i have a local network with local ip's and the internet network with the internet ip,
[10:47] <ProbeDot>  the problem is that i need a laptop using a internet conection to connect to the local area network via internet, i need all windows networking features available, somehow, that laptop must endup connected to the lan with a lan ip, i need to connect a laptop in austria to a local area network in france
[10:47] <ProbeDot> so that the laptop access al network resources of the lan in france, i want the laptop to act as a workstation in the lan, both laptop and lan have internet access, lan has one public ip, laptop same
[10:53] <_ruben> AnRkey: wouldnt know .. my recent attempts involved manual mounting usingn `mount host:/exported/path /mounted/path` .. since i needed to move stuff between two servers i just copied from one to other .. and deleted on the first one afterwards :p
[10:53] <AnRkey> this sounds crazy, but i need it running so i am using samba for now
[10:53] <AnRkey> it works and well.... it works :D
[10:53] <AnRkey> i will mess around with nfs again later
[10:54] <AnRkey> _ruben, thanks for the chat :D
[10:54] <AnRkey> _ruben, where are you? my sister in law wants to know
[11:03] <_ruben> AnRkey: at work .. netherlands .. ;)
[11:14] <sureshot> hey anyone know where extensions(modules) for php is located?
[12:04] <_ruben> hrm .. wonder what would be the appropriate way to compile/install/etc kernel modules that are available as <whatever>-source package only .. iscsitarget-source to be specific
[12:07] <_ruben> ah .. module-assistent
[12:16] <_ruben> bah .. iscsitarget-module doesnt wanna compile .. then again, im trying on desktop edition, not server (just as a test)
[12:22] <sommer> morning
[12:24] <_ruben> mornin sommer
[12:26]  * _ruben slaps Jeeves_ ... nl archive is b0rked :p
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[12:27] <_ruben> responds to ping and telnet on port 80 .. but doesnt return anything
[12:27] <henkjan> _ruben: we are investigating
[12:27] <_ruben> ah ok :)
[12:32] <henkjan> _ruben: nl.arhive is working again
[12:32] <zul> hey sommer
[12:32] <mok0> is the libc6 thing fixed in the archives?
[12:33] <_ruben> henkjan: lets test from here
[12:33] <_ruben> henkjan: nice .. what was the prob?
[12:34] <henkjan> _ruben: no idea yet. Jeeves_ went down to the colo
[12:35] <henkjan> server is rebooted
[12:35] <_ruben> ah
[12:35] <_ruben> nasty
[12:37] <henkjan> Mar 13 12:27:00 ftp kernel: [36632.422033] Out of socket memory
[12:37] <henkjan> Mar 13 12:27:03 ftp kernel: [36635.853495] TCP: too many of orphaned sockets
[12:39] <jdstrand> hi faulkes-!
[12:40] <jdstrand> I was asked in the #ubuntu-server meeting yesterday to coordinate with you an requesting that people test the new mysql updates in -proposed
[12:40] <jdstrand> faulkes-: this is mainly for dapper - feisty
[12:40] <jdstrand> faulkes-: see bug #201009 for details
[12:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201009 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[mysql-dfsg-5.0] fix for several open vulnerabilities in -proposed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201009
[12:41] <jdstrand> faulkes-: is there an appropriate place in the forums that this can be arranged?
[12:41] <jdstrand> s/arranged/requested/
[12:45] <_ruben> henkjan: scary
[12:50] <Jeeves_> _ruben: Sorry about that
[12:50] <Jeeves_> It seems there were NFS issues
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, bugger.
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jeeves_, i was going to ask how your going... buried in 'oh noes' atm probably
[12:51] <Jeeves_> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I was rsyncing the iso's to the thumper
[12:51] <Jeeves_> But maybe I forgot a lockd  ...
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i almost did that badly today. set a server to an in use IP (read: conflict) then dist-upgraded my hardy and copped the glibc bug, then couldnt change the ip anymore
[13:04] <_ruben> Jeeves_: shit happens (to the best of us)
[13:04] <Jeeves_> Jups
[13:04] <_ruben> sweet .. my initial iscsi test succeeded .. win2k3r2 virtual server as initiator and ubuntu as target
[13:07] <faulkes-> on what hardware?
[13:09] <_ruben> faulkes-: dell dimension 5150 .. as in: one of the workstations under my desk ;) .. more a proof of concept than an actual (read: usefull) test ;)
[13:09] <_ruben> the target that is
[13:10] <_ruben> the next iscsi experiment will be on a machine with 8 sata disks and a raidcore/broadcom raid controller (fakeraid from what ive read, so software raid it'll be)
[13:10] <_ruben> tho that hardware isnt avail yet
[13:22] <faulkes-> ah
[13:22] <faulkes-> just looking at iscsi stuff right now, have a promise iscsi box nobody here has ever touched I'm going to hook up to dell 1955 blades
[13:23] <faulkes-> should be interesting to play with
[13:28] <_ruben> 1955s .. we're looking into those aswell .. for longer term plans as vmware esx hosts mainly
[13:29] <_ruben> we'll be getting some dell san stuff (borrowed from dell) to play with in a month or so .. need to finish off some other projects first
[13:29] <_ruben> really looking forward to dive into the virtualization and san stuff
[14:18] <zul> mathiaz: I uploaded samba-3.0.28a this morning
[14:18] <mathiaz> zul: awesome
[14:27] <jdstrand> mathiaz, soren, nijaba: just used ubuntu-vm-builder for a gutsy guest
[14:27] <soren> amd64 or i386?
[14:27] <jdstrand> and got grub 'Error 15' on boot
[14:27] <jdstrand> amd64
[14:27] <jdstrand> would you like to see the invocation?
[14:27] <soren> You need to pass --compontents main,restricted for the kernel install to function.
[14:28] <jdstrand> sudo ubuntu-vm-builder -a amd64 -d ./gutsy_server64 --domain strandboge.com --hostname gutsy-server64 --mirror http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu --addpkg openssh-server -s gutsy --vm kvm --user james --part ./partfile --kernel-flavour server --components main,restricted,universe,multiverse --ip=<IP_ADDRESS> --libvirt qemu:///system
[14:28] <soren> Oh.
[14:28] <jdstrand> I did
[14:28] <soren> Is your mirror up-to-date?
[14:28] <soren> I mean *really* up-to-date?
[14:28] <faulkes-> hrmm, that reminds me, I need to turn VT on in the bios's
[14:28] <soren> Oh, it's gutsy.
[14:28] <soren> Never mind.
[14:28] <jdstrand> as of 07:00 UTC
[14:29] <jdstrand> the host is hardy
[14:29] <jdstrand> the guest is gutsy
[14:29] <soren> --ip=<IP_ADDRESS> works? Wow. NEver tried that :)
[14:29] <jdstrand> soren: I can't speak to that
[14:29] <soren> I've always seperated them by spcaes.
[14:29] <nijaba> soren: I put that part in and I did test it ;)
[14:30] <soren> With '='? Ok, cool.
[14:30] <nijaba> soren: ah, no, always using space
[14:30] <soren> jdstrand: I'd much rather see the output of the build process :)
[14:31] <jdstrand> let me try without the '='-- I had some strange stuff that I was going to report separately
[14:33] <jdstrand> soren: interesting--
[14:33] <jdstrand> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
[14:33] <jdstrand> findfs: Unable to resolve 'UUID=3812df5a-550f-48e9-8046-12d584257ec2'
[14:33] <jdstrand> Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[14:33] <jdstrand> This error is probably caused by an invalid /etc/fstab
[14:34] <jdstrand> but I'll paste the whole thing momentarily
[14:34] <soren> Don't worry about that one.
[14:36] <jdstrand> soren: it's booting
[14:36] <jdstrand> guess it *really* didn't like the '='
[14:38] <jdstrand> soren: had this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59478/ at the end, which was disconcerting
[14:38] <jdstrand> soren: I am sure the openssh part was due to /dev/pts
[14:38] <jdstrand> well, *sure* is strong
[14:39] <jdstrand> I bet it is because of it "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)"
[14:39] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I've seen that error too - it's because openssh cannot be started
[14:39] <jdstrand> mathiaz: yes
[14:40] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I was just saying it may not have been able to start bec of that
[14:40] <jdstrand> the last two lines made me think something wet wrong too
[14:40] <mathiaz> jdstrand: oh - I think it was not able to start because there is already an ssh daemon running on the host
[14:40] <jdstrand> just fyi
[14:41] <jdstrand> mathiaz: oh-- that makes sense
[14:41] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I was thinking that it was virtualized already, but of course it wasn't yet
[14:41] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I briefly mentionned it to soren in a meeting - apparently there is trick to make it work anyway
[14:42] <mathiaz> jdstrand: You'd run in the same problem when installing apache2 which couldn't be started as it cannot bind to port 80
[14:42] <jdstrand> it more just a usability thing for others, it clearly works well :)
[14:42] <jdstrand> mathiaz: yes I understand now
[14:42] <mathiaz> jdstrand: forget about the last comment - it could bind to port 80 as the install is run as root
[14:43] <jdstrand> mathiaz: not sure about that
[14:43] <soren> mathiaz: Unless you have a web server running already..
[14:43] <jdstrand> mathiaz: when I did testing in chroots of server daemons, I could only do one at a time
[14:44]  * jdstrand assumed mathiaz meant that it would be the same for any service that was already running on the guest
[14:45] <jdstrand> s/guest/host
[14:49] <Probedot_> i need to configure apache to allow access to http:\\url.com\dummy\download , But to block access ,to http:\\url.com\dummy on port 80,can you do it?
[14:49] <Probedot_>  (i do need access to dummy on 443, i have a site where the root folder is a login to a console i need blocked,but a subfolder of that folder is open to clients to access files from,  I dont want people to access the console but still have access to the downloads, with Virt hosts,is that how i set up ports? like if i want it to work via 443,do i use *:443
[14:49] <jdstrand> soren: where are the options for dnsmasq configured? I checked /etc/libvirt/* and /etc/default/libvirt-bin
[14:49] <jdstrand> soren: I'd like to use a different address range
[14:49] <jdstrand> soren: well, really just 'smaller'
[14:50]  * Probedot_ waits
[14:50] <jdstrand> so I can have static addresses not get in the way
[14:51] <soren> jdstrand: That's in your libvirt network xml.
[14:51] <soren> jdstrand: Use virsh to dump/redefine.
[14:51] <mathiaz> jdstrand: try a net-dumpxml from virsh to see how to set the range
[14:52] <jdstrand> ah /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks
[14:52] <jdstrand> got it
[14:52]  * jdstrand didn't dig deep enough
[14:52] <jdstrand> soren: sick of me and virtualization yet? ;)
[14:53] <jdstrand> (I know you are)
[14:53] <mathiaz> soren: re bug 194237 - why do you want to install usplash ?
[14:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194237 in ubuntu-vm-builder "don't install usplash by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194237
[14:53] <mathiaz> soren: it's not installed by default on a server
[14:55] <soren> It's shiny.
[14:55] <soren> I thought I made that quite clear :)
[14:55] <soren> jdstrand: Not at all!
[14:56] <_ruben> hehe
[14:56] <mathiaz> soren: well... I'd expect a better argument thatn it's shiny.
[14:56] <jdstrand> :)
[14:56]  * jdstrand has *always* appreciated the shiny argument
[14:56] <mathiaz> soren: as I mentionned in the bug, there are some artifact left on the console when using vnc.
[14:57] <mathiaz> soren: that is the reason why I've filed the bug
[14:57] <mathiaz> soren: it's annoying to have orange pixels in the middle of the screen. it's not... shiny ;)
[14:58] <jdstrand> soren: I'd also mention that whatever loads kvm_intel is not using log_action_ for its output. as a result, that line is not in alignment with the other boot messages
[14:58] <jdstrand> log_action_ is usplash firendly
[14:58] <jdstrand> friendly
[14:59] <jdstrand> other log_ functions are not
[14:59] <Probedot_> i need to configure apache to allow access to http:\\url.com\dummy\download , But to block access ,to http:\\url.com\dummy on port 80,can you do it?
[14:59] <Probedot_>  (i do need access to dummy on 443, i have a site where the root folder is a login to a console i need blocked,but a subfolder of that folder is open to clients to access files from,  I dont want people to access the console but still have access to the downloads, with Virt hosts,is that how i set up ports? like if i want it to work via 443,do i use *:443
[15:01] <mathiaz> !servergui
[15:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about servergui - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:07] <soren> mathiaz: Well, that's the bug we should be fixing then.
[15:17] <Jeeves_> Anyone from canonical here?
[15:18] <Jeeves_> If so. Can you gently push someone from the mirror-team towards #ubuntu-server? :)
[15:34] <Jeeves_> I'm not allowed to paste NSFW techpron here, right? :)
[15:37] <Jeeves_> Nobody here highlighting on NSFW? :)
[15:45] <nijaba> soren, mathiaz: any reco on how I should be implementing the templates in u-v-b?
[15:47] <soren> Jeeves_: What do you need mirror gusy for?
[15:47] <soren> guys
[15:49] <Jeeves_> soren: Already talking to elmo. Thanks though
[15:49] <nealmcb> !servergui
[15:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[15:49] <nealmcb> mathiaz: there you go!
[15:50] <jdstrand> mathiaz: when automating vm creation, what tool are you using?
[15:54] <mathiaz> jdstrand: custom scripts build around ubuntu-vm-builder :)
[15:55] <mathiaz> jdstrand: These are just shell scripts that call ubuntu-vm-builder with the right paths
[15:56] <jdstrand> mathiaz: are you assigning ip addresses or just using dhcp?
[15:57] <mathiaz> jdstrand: well - I'm hoping to use dhcp in fact
[15:57] <mathiaz> jdstrand: dnsmasq has this wonderfull feature to provide dns names for served ips
[15:58] <mathiaz> jdstrand: so I plan to integrate this in my environement so that I don't need to know which ip address I need to connect to
[15:59] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I aim at the following workflow: ubuntu-vm-builder host1; wait for 5 minutes ; ssh host1
[15:59] <jdstrand> mathiaz: where are the names exposed? (I am thinking of the traditional dynamic dns updates where you still end up having to know the hostname)
[15:59] <jdstrand> mathiaz: oh I see-- yes, that would rock
[15:59] <jdstrand> mathiaz: keep me posted :)
[15:59] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I've already that setup with vmware-server
[16:00] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I've modified vmware-server to use dnsmasq instead of dhcpd
[16:11] <nealmcb> ScottK, soren - good straightforward thoughtful comments on the u-d-d list - thanks
[16:22]  * soren hugs ScottK2
[16:22] <AnRkey> i want to import about 140 users into ubuntu
[16:23] <AnRkey> does anyone have any idea's for an import solution?
[16:27] <nealmcb> what does "break=bottom" do on the kernel boot line, anyway?
[16:29] <soren> It breaks out of the initramfs at a specific point.
[16:30] <soren> Most interestingly: after the root device has been mounted.
[16:30]  * ScottK2 hugs back.
[16:31] <nealmcb> soren: thanks.  I don't see it in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt - is it grub-specific or ubuntu-specific or something?
[16:33] <soren> Neither :)
[16:33] <soren> It's from Debian.
[16:33] <soren> See /usr/share/initramsf-tools/init
[16:33] <soren> Er..
[16:33] <soren> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[16:33] <soren> Look for "maybe_break bottom"
[16:33] <soren> That's where it'll bail out if you pass break=bottom.
[16:38] <sommer> mathiaz: thanks for adding links to the roadmap doc review section... I should have thought about that
[16:45]  * jdstrand -> lunch
[17:02] <zul> ivoks: around?
[17:03] <ivoks> zul: yes
[17:03] <zul> ivoks: I had a go through it looks ok. I added some stuff to it, changelog is here. http://pastebin.ca/941320
[17:03] <zul> Im going to ask for a FFE exception and merge the version from debian as well
[17:04] <ivoks> i noticed one thing tough... and i don't have an idea how to resolve it
[17:04] <ivoks> if someone has bacula-dir-mysql|pgsql before and now updates this new version
[17:04] <ivoks> postinst will ask for setting up new database
[17:05] <zul> so if bacula-version is older than blah then exit fi or something like that?
[17:05] <ivoks> ok, that was obvious :D
[17:05] <soren> In postinst: if [ "$1" = configure ]; then if [ -z "$2" ]; then echo "Ooh, a fresh install."; else echo "Oh, an upgade from $2"; fi; fi.
[17:06] <zul> soren: that works :)
[17:07] <soren> Or even better:
[17:07] <ivoks> zul: s/contorl/control :)
[17:07] <ivoks> in changelog
[17:07] <zul> yeah havent uploaded it yet :)
[17:08] <soren> In postinst: if [ "$1" = configure ]; then if dpkg --compare-versions 1.2.3-4ubuntu5 -lt "$2"; then echo "We're upgrading past version 1.2.3-4ubuntu5. Let's do some cool stuff."; fi; fi
[17:08] <zul> if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 2.2.8-5ubuntu1 \ then do your bits else what soren said fi
[17:09] <soren> Er.. Yeah, I should have used -gt, probably.
[17:09] <soren> Er.. "gt", not "-gt".
[17:09] <zul> soren: great minds think alike
[17:09] <soren> So what zul said :)
[17:11] <ivoks> horrible debdiff
[17:12] <zul> ivoks: yeah it was fun...I just split the files up to make it easier
[17:12] <ivoks> :)
[17:12] <Theo__> how do i get libxerces26?
[17:12] <Theo__> I typed "apt-get install libxerces26" and it did not work
[17:13] <ivoks> Theo__: try 27 or 28
[17:13] <Theo__> ok
[17:14] <Theo__> Thank you
[17:14] <Theo__> it worked
[17:14] <jdstrand> oh that's fun
[17:15] <jdstrand> install dapper with ubuntu-vm-builder and boot it up and it goes into memtest86
[17:15] <zul> jdstrand: whhaaaa?
[17:15] <jdstrand> looking at grub boot menu, there is no kernel entry
[17:16] <mathiaz> jdstrand: you should check the build log and see which version of the kernel was asked to be installed
[17:16] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I was just now
[17:17] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I ran into a similar problem when tryinb to install hardy on amd64 - it tried to install linux-virtual which doesn't exist on amd64
[17:17] <jdstrand> I was trying to remember if -server is on dapper
[17:17] <ScottK2> No.  It's not.
[17:17] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I think so
[17:17] <ScottK2> OK.  Maybe I misremember, but I think not.
[17:18] <ScottK2> IIRC when I had dapper servers I just installed from the alternate ISO.
[17:18] <mathiaz> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/linux-server
[17:18] <soren> jdstrand: I fixed that, too.
[17:18] <ScottK2> Fair enough.
[17:18] <soren> jdstrand: You can do:
[17:18] <soren> jdstrand: --flavour amd64-server
[17:19] <soren> jdstrand: if you're still on amd64, that is. If not, it's something else, which I haven't seen before.
[17:19] <jdstrand> soren: this is for an amd64 vm
[17:19] <mathiaz> jdstrand: well - linux-server on dapper exists only on i386
[17:19] <jdstrand> soren: is it only dapper or all that I should redo?
[17:19] <soren> jdstrand: Right. It's called amd64-server
[17:20] <jdstrand> ok cool
[17:20] <soren> jdstrand: dapper and edgy at least.
[17:20] <ivoks> is mail-server-task good name for binary meta package?
[17:20] <soren> Not sure about feisty.
[17:20] <soren> ivoks: No.
[17:20] <soren> :)
[17:20] <ivoks> :)
[17:20] <jdstrand> edgy worked...
[17:20] <soren> Because it's not a task.
[17:20] <ivoks> then just mail-server
[17:20] <mathiaz> jdstrand: linux-server was added to edgy
[17:20] <ivoks> one could thnik that's just MTA
[17:20] <ivoks> ubuntu-mail-server?
[17:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: if you're talking about sasl, I'd create a package named postfix-sasl-enable or something like that
[17:21] <mathiaz> ivoks: I'm still not sure how we should do this.
[17:21] <ivoks> mathiaz: that name would be misleading cause we include more that just sasl configuration
[17:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: actually no.
[17:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: the plan would be to move the dovecot stuff directly in the default dovecot configuration file
[17:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: which leaves only the postconf calls in the postinst script
[17:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: even the maildir and sasl setup in dovecot?
[17:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: we could enable sasl by default in dovecot
[17:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: the changes we propose are stricly for postfix
[17:23] <Theo__> Does anyone know how to setup a MTA server?
[17:24] <ivoks> so, if someone uses exim, dovecot wouldn't even start
[17:24] <jdstrand> ok, that is much more fun-- it's booting :)
[17:24] <ScottK2> Theo__: Yes.
[17:24] <Theo__> I started the server but cannot connect
[17:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: why ?
[17:25] <ivoks> dovecot creates socket in /var/spool/postfix
[17:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - that's not so wrong
[17:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: I still wonder if we should move this to a different path
[17:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: and then set postfix to use this new path
[17:26] <ivoks> postfix is jailed
[17:26] <ivoks> so it must be inside /var/spool/postfix
[17:26] <ivoks> or... we can bind mount
[17:26] <lamont> having dovecot allow multiple paths to the file would fix things...
[17:27] <ivoks> lamont: iirc, it actualy allows that
[17:27] <mathiaz> I was more worried about the effect of having dovecot putting something in /var/spool/postfix
[17:27] <mathiaz> if that works with lamont - it's all good
[17:28]  * lamont has no objections to packages delivering things into the chroot to let them work.  well, assuming that they aren't utter crack.
[17:28] <lamont> and if the admin installs dovecot onto a box with postfix, then he probably means to have it work.
[17:28] <lamont> so, yeah, +1
[17:28] <ScottK2> Theo__: What did you install, what Ubuntu release are you using, and more exactly what's the trouble?
[17:29] <ivoks> no, dovecot doesn't support multiple SASL clients - so, only one socket
[17:29] <Theo__> I have ubuntu server edition, libxerces26 and libstdc++6
[17:29] <Theo__> . When I start the server there are no errors. I cannot connect to it through lan from another computer
[17:29] <ScottK2> Personally I think it's quite reasonable to have the default dovecot configuration be the one that works with postfix.  It's our primary MTA.
[17:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: well - we could make sure that dovecot is integrated with the postfix
[17:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: I agree with ScottK2 ^^
[17:30] <ivoks> ScottK2: then dovecot should depend on postfix and other way around
[17:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: not needed
[17:30] <ivoks> cause postfix won't start if it can't connect to dovecot's socket
[17:31] <mathiaz> ivoks: postfix isn't configured by default to use sasl
[17:31] <ivoks> i see where you're heading
[17:31] <ScottK2> ivoks: I think depends postfix|mail-transport-agent is quite reasonable.
[17:31] <mathiaz> ivoks: that the role of the new package - postfix-sasl-configure
[17:31] <ivoks> ok
[17:32] <ScottK2> Dovecot does need an MTA, but the MTA doesn't necessarily need Dovecot.
[17:32] <mathiaz> ScottK2: dovecot really needs an MTA installed ?
[17:32] <Theo__> what
[17:32] <ScottK2> mathiaz: Does it?
[17:32] <ScottK2> mathiaz: Sorry, speculating again.
[17:32] <ivoks> it does not
[17:33] <ScottK2> OK.  Nevermind about that bit then.
[17:33] <Theo__> MTA=Multi Theft Auto?
[17:33] <ivoks> ok, so postfix by default doesn't support sasl
[17:33] <mathiaz> !mta | Theo__
[17:33] <ubotu> Theo__: A Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is the server software that sends and queues mail. The default MTA (and !MDA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("exim" is also officially supported). See also !MailServer and !MUA
[17:33] <ScottK2> Theo__: Mail Transport Agent
[17:33] <ivoks> and dovecot by default provides sasl socket?
[17:33] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes.
[17:33] <ivoks> one important thing
[17:34] <ivoks> if we pre-setup dovecot for sasl socket for postfix (/var/spool/postfix)
[17:34] <mathiaz> ivoks: how would dovecot react if the path to the sasl socket doesn't exist ?
[17:34] <ivoks> and postfix isn't installed
[17:34] <ivoks> dovecot will fail to start
[17:34] <ScottK2> That would be bad.
[17:34] <ivoks> but...
[17:34] <mathiaz> ivoks: that means dovecot needs to create /var/spool/postfix or whatever.
[17:34] <ivoks> mathiaz: or that... right
[17:35] <ivoks> or... bind directories
[17:35] <ivoks> dovecot starts socket on /var/run/dovecot/auth
[17:35] <mathiaz> that's the bit I'm worried about
[17:35] <ivoks> and postfix init script binds it to /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth
[17:35] <ivoks> but that's so... hacky :/
[17:36] <ivoks> it would be much easier if dovecot would start tcp socket :/
[17:37] <mathiaz> ivoks: so another option is to look into dovecot src code and make it exit properly if the path to the socket doesn't exists
[17:38] <mathiaz> ivoks: if /var/spool/postfix/private/ doesn't exits, don't start the sasl daemon
[17:38] <ivoks> it's stupid that it doesn't act like that already
[17:38] <mathiaz> s/exits/exiSt/
[17:38] <ivoks> cause it only exports auth socket
[17:38] <ivoks> it's not like it uses it
[17:43] <ivoks> is it wise to leave a unused socket which can be used for probing usernames?
[17:55] <sommer> !servergui
[17:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[17:55] <sommer> heh
[17:56] <nealmcb> :-)
[17:58] <ivoks> hm...
[18:00]  * jdstrand thinks it is just *awesome* that he can use multi-cpu in kvm
[18:15] <AnRkey> i want to import about 140 users into ubuntu
[18:15] <AnRkey> does anyone have any idea's for an import solution?
[18:15] <AnRkey> i want to make the username and passwords the same
[18:18] <nealmcb> AnRkey what about home directories and stuff - just make new ones, or migrate from somewhere?  uids?
[18:18] <nealmcb> and what do you have for them now - passwd and shadow files from some other system?
[18:18] <AnRkey> make new ones
[18:19] <AnRkey> i was going to make a small script with adduser
[18:19]  * nealmcb nods
[18:19] <nealmcb> so you know all their passwords?
[18:19] <AnRkey> cant figure out how to add the password to the adduser script
[18:19] <AnRkey> well i want to make the login and password the same
[18:19] <AnRkey> it's a small internal network
[18:20] <AnRkey> it's just for a mail server
[18:20] <nealmcb> ok - so not really an import, exported from somewhere else - you just want to make them up from scratch
[18:26] <AnRkey> well i have the list from the old server
[18:26] <AnRkey> the old server was setup in the same way
[18:26] <AnRkey> login and pass where also the same
[18:26] <AnRkey> we want to make the migration to the new server seamless
[18:30] <ivoks> don't use adduser then
[18:31] <ivoks> use useradd and set up password with chpasswd
[18:32] <AnRkey> thanks ivoks, looking into that
[18:32] <nealmcb> ivoks: cool - that is what I was searching for - chpasswd allows AnRkey to use the old passwords from the old shadow file also
[18:33] <AnRkey> nealmcb, use old shadow file?
[18:33]  * nealmcb hates the idea of 140 users all knowing that their peers password is the same as the userid
[18:33] <AnRkey> nealmcb, that's just it, they don't know
[18:33] <AnRkey> :D
[18:33] <AnRkey> most of these people are farmers and have no idea what copy and paste is
[18:34] <nealmcb> the -e and -m options of chpasswd look like they'll take the sort of stuff you can get out of /etc/shadow
[18:34] <nealmcb> so you can just say that their password hasn't changed
[18:34] <AnRkey> shweet, thanks nealmcb ivoks
[18:34] <nealmcb> :-)
[18:35] <ivoks> np
[18:36] <AnRkey> looks like i might get some sleep tonight
[18:36] <AnRkey> :P
[18:38] <nealmcb> huh - I guess I misread the chpasswd man page on -m:  "Use MD5 encryption instead of DES when the supplied passwords are not encrypted"  - the "not" is surprising.   I guess it knows md5 vs des from the way it is encrypted?
[18:45] <AnRkey> yeah that does not look like the correct switch
[18:45] <AnRkey> i have the old shadow file so it looks like i'll be fine
[19:06] <nealmcb> soren, sommer: I added the "break" option to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - the mysteries of initramfs are slowly unveiling themselves :-)
[19:20] <sommer> nealmcb: that's good stuff, I know like 2.5 boot options :-)
[19:20] <sommer> anyone have a favorite sql reference or website?
[19:25] <mathiaz> sommer: I've found the Mysql User Manual good at that usually
[19:26] <kirkland> sommer: not a website, but I bought this book in 1999, and learned everything I've needed to know about SQL from it.  I still pull it off the shelf occasioinally:  http://www.amazon.com/Special-Using-SQL/dp/0789719746/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205436337&sr=8-3
[19:27] <sommer> mathiaz: yep, I've linked to that already, looking for more references for the database section
[19:27] <sommer> kirkland: cool, thanks I'll take a look
[19:27] <mathiaz> sommer: and you can even find it in ubuntu - a simple apt-get install mysql-doc will make you happy
[19:27] <sommer> oooh, that's a good point
[19:28] <kirkland> sommer: also, i'm more of a postgres junkie, so i tend to use http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ for db specific questions
[19:28] <sommer> kirkland: ah, I'll link that as well
[19:28] <mathiaz> sommer: and may be mention sqlite also
[19:28] <kirkland> sommer: you can go straight to the appropriate manual, if you want
[19:29] <mathiaz> sommer: these are the main databases
[19:30] <sommer> ya, I was thinking about an sqlite section... I'm a little hesitant to add a bunch of new content so close to SF
[19:30] <mathiaz> !servergui
[19:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu server does not install a desktop environment or X11 by default in order to enhance security, efficiency and performance.  !eBox provides a GUI system management option via a web interface.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI for more background and options.
[19:30] <sommer> Matt East was worried about translation time
[19:31] <sommer> if not for hardy it'll definitely be there for ibex :-)
[19:38] <jdstrand> faulkes-: ping re mysql testing
[19:50] <nealmcb> sommer: Is the virt section draft for the server guide somewhere where I can point folks at it?
[19:51] <sommer> nealmcb: you bet: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/virtualization.html
[19:51] <sommer> I commited an update last night so that's out of date, until the update process runs
[19:52] <sommer> not sure when that is exaclty though
[19:54] <nealmcb> sommer: cool - I should have known that - got confused by the versions again....
[19:55] <sommer> np... mathiaz also added links to the roadmap :-)
[20:11] <nealmcb> sommer: is the vmware line in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/jeos.html et al. still necessary, or is it running well in kvm also?  Or perhaps the following sections should be renamed to "vmware-xxx", since jeos seems a more generic concept?
[20:14] <sommer> nealmcb: that's a good question... I like where your head's at!
[20:16] <sommer> personally I haven't tested jeos with kvm, but I believe from what others have said is that it works fine
[20:16] <sommer> nijaba or soren can probably shed more light on that one
[20:17] <sommer> my plan is to do some testing this evening... so probably know more than :-)
[20:17] <nijaba> sommer: I'm in a meeting right now.  should be avail in 30 min or so...
[20:18] <sommer> cool
[20:22]  * nealmcb is also on a phone call now - off in 40 minutes or so
[20:35] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I have theory about bug #105457
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105457 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "mysqd_safe high cpu usage" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105457
[20:35] <jdstrand> I updated the bug accordingly, but don't really have time to look into it now
[20:36] <jdstrand> let's go with hypothesis instead
[21:14] <nijaba> sommer, nealmcb: I think we need to revisit the Jeos tutorial to a/include usage of ubuntu-vm-builder (even though it is universe) b/amend it for kvm usage as well
[21:18] <nealmcb> nijaba: right on!
[21:18] <nealmcb> and I suppose libvirt builds are a third possibility
[21:18] <nealmcb> but I haven't tried that stuff
[21:20] <nijaba> nealmcb: ubuntu-vm-builder now include a libvirt option...
[21:21] <nealmcb> nijaba: great!
[21:21]  * nealmcb is so out-of-it, but hoping to find time to get back up to speed....
[21:22] <nijaba> I am currently working on adding some templating to the xml file.
[21:24] <nealmcb> I'm talking with a guy who is having trouble with vmware and hardy - not in partner repo now?  missing headers when he tries it straight from vmware?
[21:25] <nijaba> nealmcb: vmware-server for hard should be in the repo sometimes around GA
[21:28] <nealmcb> Good
[21:33] <nealmcb> at some point, jeos descriptions for xen and perhaps even containerized solutions would be nice also, either on the wiki or in the server guide
[21:35] <nijaba> nealmcb: as xen / openvz are community supported solutions, I'd vote for wiki
[21:35]  * nealmcb nods
[21:36] <nealmcb> nijaba: so is canonical supporting vmware on ubuntu?
[21:37]  * nealmcb wonders about vmware in the server guide for the same reason
[21:37] <nijaba> nealmcb: no, we are working with vmware on having ubuntu (server, including Jeos) certified on ESX
[21:37] <nijaba> nealmcb: in the same principle as another hw vendor in fact
[21:38] <nealmcb> so should that be on the wiki instead also?
[21:38] <nijaba> nealmcb: I am not following you..  which "that"?
[21:38] <nealmcb> vmware
[21:39] <nealmcb> have the server guide focus on supported open source solutions
[21:39] <nijaba> nealmcb: vmware(-server) is not part of the official doc, only running Jeos on vmware is
[21:39] <nijaba> afaik
[21:40] <nijaba> and it is not a "canonical" reasoning, more a "main" vs "universe" one
[21:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: are you here?
[21:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: owh and I have a few questions about the init script lsb work, and how best to document this in LP
[21:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: here's what I'm thinking....
[21:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: we create one LP bug for general initscript LSB compliance
[21:42] <nealmcb> I may be confused on just what is needed to run jeos on vmware - is the necessary stuff in main? universe? partner?
[21:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: target that bug for Intrepid, really
[21:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: and file individual bugs against each package with a non-LSB compliant init script
[21:43] <nijaba> nealmcb: I think the necessary stuff is in main (and you can add open-vm-tools from universe if you want)
[21:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: ideally, the LSB tests would tell us which are and are not compliant, we still need to try their tests
[21:44] <nealmcb> so the partner stuff is just extra fancier stuff for building vms?
[21:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: as owh, and i, and anyone else wants, we chip away at those bugs, most are pretty simple fixes, great little work items for new developers
[21:45] <nijaba> nealmcb: yep, that's how I would view it
[21:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: we will document in a wiki page exactly how to fix up an init script
[21:45] <nealmcb> and it is vmware-server?
[21:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: it's fairly formulaic, actually
[21:45] <mathiaz> kirkland:  I like the "great little work for new developers" :)
[21:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: i don't mean to trivialize it.....
[21:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: but it shouldn't be that scary
[21:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: oh no - I really think it's difficult
[21:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: heu... *not difficult*
[21:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: why so?
[21:46] <nijaba> nealmcb: vmware-server is in partner repo, so that's really canonical's pmau
[21:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh :-)
[21:46] <nijaba> s/pmau/play
[21:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: also, I think we throw FFe out the window entirely--the number of init scripts affected by this is tremendous
[21:46] <owh> nijaba: What keyboard are you typing on?
[21:46]  * mathiaz remembers how an azerty keyboard looks like
[21:46] <nijaba> owh: frenglish
[21:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: so we (the community) just cips away at them over time
[21:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: perhaps some make it into Hardy
[21:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: hopefully more make it into hardy+updates
[21:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: and ideally we're lsb-compliant by intrepid
[21:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: (profit)
[21:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: owh: sound like a plan?
[21:48] <owh> kirkland: mathiaz: wfm
[21:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - the init scripts changes won't make it in hardy-updates
[21:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: if so, this is what I'll write up in the roadmap, per meeting action yesterday
[21:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: no?  security issues only make it in there?
[21:48] <mathiaz> kirkland: they won't qualify for a StableReleaseUpdate
[21:48]  * kirkland goes look up StableReleaseUpdate guidelines
[21:49] <mathiaz> !sru
[21:49] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:49] <mathiaz> !sru | kirkland
[21:49] <ubotu> kirkland: please see above
[21:50] <mathiaz> kirkland: then rather than filing bugs about lsb-compliant scripts, I'd rather concentrate on "implement status action" for relevant scripts.
[21:50] <mathiaz> LSB-compliant scripts requires more than just a status action
[21:50] <kirkland> mathiaz: really?  okay.  that's easier
[21:50] <mathiaz> kirkland: you need the headers, the correct exit code
[21:51] <owh> mathiaz: Well, the init.d scripts that come with hardy tasksel full install all include the lsb_functions which indicates that the author is at least aspiring to compliance.
[21:52] <nealmcb> nijaba: I just sent you some mail - perhaps you can help us get to more clarity....
[21:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: just sourcing /lib/lsb/init-functions and using pidofproc gets the right exit code
[21:53] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - but there are other places in the init script that may use the wrong exit code  - see apache2 init script
[21:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: right, agreed.
[21:53] <mathiaz> owh: correct. But they may be not completly compliant.
[21:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: so what you're saying is concentrate on implementing the status section
[21:54] <mathiaz> owh: and some of the changes are actually made by Ubuntu.
[21:54] <mathiaz> owh: and we still carry the delta with debian.
[21:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - just the status action.
[21:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: what if we added a function to /lib/lsb/init-functions
[21:54] <owh> mathiaz: Yes, and changing the exit codes might break code that relies on the "faulty/non compliant" exit codes.
[21:54] <nijaba> nealmcb: would you like me to reply here or by email?
[21:54] <owh> kirkland: That's what I wanted to talk about :)
[21:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: it should be easier to implement, more targeted and easier to get a FFe for it.
[21:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: statusof $DAEMON $NAME
[21:55] <owh> Now we're talking :)
[21:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: I think most of them should look a lot like:
[21:55] <kirkland> +status)
[21:55] <kirkland> +	pidofproc /usr/sbin/cron >/dev/null
[21:55] <kirkland> +	status=$?
[21:55] <kirkland> +	if [ $status -eq 0 ]; then
[21:55] <kirkland> +		log_success_msg "Cron is running."
[21:55] <kirkland> +	else
[21:55] <kirkland> +		log_failure_msg "Cron is not running."
[21:55] <kirkland> +	fi
[21:55] <kirkland> +	exit $status
[21:55] <kirkland> +	;;
[21:55] <kirkland> (Sorry for the code drop, it's small though)
[21:55] <kirkland> DAEMON=/usr/sbin/cron
[21:55] <kirkland> NAME=Cron
[21:56] <kirkland> and status just becomes
[21:56] <kirkland> a call to statusof
[21:56] <nealmcb> nijaba: by mail is probably better, and I can forward to our colorado list as appropriate
[21:56] <kirkland> owh: mathiaz ?
[21:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: that might be FFe-able?
[21:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes - that'd make sense.
[21:56]  * nealmcb hopes he hasn't confused his buddies
[21:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd have a quick look at the existing init scripts that have a status action to see they would fit the pattern.
[21:57] <nealmcb> nijaba: thanks!!
[21:57] <owh> kirkland: Yup that's what I intended to get to :)
[21:57] <kirkland> owh: you da man
[21:57] <kirkland> owh: we're on the same page, i like that \o/
[21:57] <owh> kirkland: I can't get credit, I thought of it first, but you wrote it down first :)
[21:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: that would bring more weight to the FFe
[21:58] <kirkland> owh: if you want the credit, you hack the patch to /lib/lsb/init-functions :-)
[21:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd also send an email to ubuntu-devel outlining the reason to do this
[21:58] <owh> ROTFL - mine!
[21:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: you'd get more input from all the other developers.
[21:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: sounds good, probably should be done ASAP, i assume?
[21:59]  * owh is already downloading source :)
[21:59]  * kirkland downloads from his local mirror at 1Gbps :-)
[22:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes.
[22:00] <kirkland> :-P owh
[22:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: owh: give me a minute, let me draft something and pastebin it
[22:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: try to come up of list of packages that you'd change, which one would benefit from it
[22:00]  * owh has a vSat terminal with 1Mbit that can be setup anywhere, so there is no need to be indoors :)
[22:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: once you've got a list of packages to fix, look at bug 199014 for a way to track the work done on it.
[22:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199014 in emesene "python-xml removal: please drop/replace (build) dependencies" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199014
[22:02] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool
[22:10] <nijaba> nealmcb: reply in our mail.  hope it is clear...
[22:12] <skwashd> hi, are server related hardy issues dealt with here or #ubuntu+1?
[22:12] <skwashd> i would prefer not to waste my time explaining it all here only to be told "go next door"
[22:15] <nealmcb> nijaba: great - many thanks.  so while ubuntu is focussed on kvm, as free software, canonical is also continuing to work with others to improve how other vm technologies work on the platform
[22:16] <nijaba> nealmcb: exactly
[22:16] <skwashd> nealmcb: pity kvm is currently useless for real world stuff in hardy
[22:17] <mathiaz> skwashd: could you be more explicit ?
[22:17] <nijaba> skwashd: you should talk about this with soren, I do not think he would agree. Me neither.  Now, it is clear that we have some work to do before release, but wait, and you'll see...
[22:17] <mathiaz> skwashd: I use kvm on a daily basis and it works great.
[22:17] <skwashd> mathiaz: sure ... bridged networking has been broken for almost 2 weeks
[22:18] <skwashd> and trying to get any help to confirm the problem is like pulling teeth
[22:18] <skwashd> this is on hardy
[22:18] <nijaba> skwashd: make sure the bug is reported (and this one is) and it will be fixed
[22:18] <nijaba> skwashd: hardy is alpha...
[22:19] <skwashd> nijaba: is it ... i can't find it on launchpad
[22:19] <skwashd> nijaba: i know the state of hardy
[22:19] <skwashd> someone on #kvm has suggested that tap io is going to the console ...  but no suggested fix
[22:19] <nijaba> skwashd: I think it is, but you should check and report if not
[22:20] <skwashd> nijaba: i am still trying to track down exactly where the problem is ... and report the bug against the right package
[22:20] <nijaba> skwashd: ok, thanks for the search then :)
[22:20] <skwashd> and i have given launchpad a good workout .... haven't seen anything relevant
[22:21] <nijaba> skwashd: you should maybe go talk about it on #ubuntu-virt.  I know kees and soren have been troubleshooting bridge networking together last week
[22:22] <skwashd> nijaba: ok ... will do
[22:22] <skwashd> #ubuntu* chans breed quicker than a couple without a tv
[22:22] <nijaba> skwashd: I like the metaphore :)
[22:23] <skwashd> nijaba: i took the religious part out - coc compliance :)
[22:28] <nealmcb> skwashd: lol - and thanks for helping make kvm better!
[22:28] <skwashd> nealmcb: np :)
[22:28] <skwashd> i love the idea of kvm
[22:28] <nealmcb> nijaba: thanks - I forwarded that on with refs to a few more things you mentioned, etc
[22:29] <nijaba> nealmcb: I just saw that (along with the typos in my reply).
[22:30] <nealmcb> nijaba: oh - I didn't notice them.  just my own "expert advice from an expert" inexpertitude....
[22:30] <nealmcb> :-(
[22:31] <nijaba> nealmcb: no worry, I should have taken the time to proofread, and I think it is still quite understandable ;)
[23:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: are you still around?
[23:11] <kirkland> ScottK2: hi, are you around?
[23:11] <kirkland> ScottK2: I was looking for some feedback on the init script stuff, and I thought you might have an opinion on a draft of an email i was about to send to ubuntu-devel
[23:20] <kirkland> all: this is an email I'm drafting to ubuntu-devel regarding the "status" action in init scripts.  I'd like any feedback from we-the-server-guys before I drop it on ubuntu-devel: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m6eb6cdbd
[23:27]  * ScottK2 looks
[23:29] <ScottK2> kirkland: My suggestion would be to discuss this with release management before you send the mail and get one big FFe for the project.  If they say no, make it a spec for Hardy +1.
[23:30] <kirkland> ScottK2: okay, good idea.  That's what I was hoping for, one blanket FFe.
[23:31] <kirkland> ScottK2: only for a list of defined, agreed-upon services for Hardy
[23:31] <kirkland> ScottK2: and a full spec for Hardy+1
[23:31] <ScottK2> Right.
[23:31] <kirkland> ScottK2: very good, thank you for your input
[23:31] <kirkland> ScottK2: I'll run that list of suggested packages to be affected by this too, if that's cool
[23:32] <ScottK2> I'd definitely have that list handy when you go talk to slangesek.
[23:42] <steve176> Hi. How do I get tomcat to start after reboot? sudo /etc/init.d/tomcat start works from the command line and I have S71tomcat symlinks in /etc/rc2.d -> /etc/rc5.d
[23:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: re your email
[23:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: I wouldn't mention "a great number of package"
[23:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd say that the target for hardy are just daemons that are shipped on the ubuntu-server isos.
[23:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[23:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: i was trying to avoid defining the list in this email
[23:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: and do that in the launchpad bug instead
[23:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - good idea.
[23:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: try to keep this mail focused on the functionality itself
[23:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: see if there are arguments with that
[23:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: but mentionning a huge amount of potential packages can be scary at this stage of the release.
[23:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: so the tactic would be to suggest what we try to aim for hardy ;)
[23:46] <sommer> steve176: sudo update-rc.d tomcat5.5 default
[23:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: perfect, agreed.
[23:47] <mathiaz> steve176: if you have a symlink in rc3.d it should start on boot.
[23:47] <steve176> sommer: usage error
[23:47] <steve176> sommer: do you mean defaults?
[23:47] <sommer> steve176: yep, sorry defaults
[23:48] <steve176> mathiaz: thats what I thought. One thing I thought of - maybe JAVA_HOME / CATALINA_HOME (exported by /etc/profile) aren't available that early during boot
[23:48] <mathiaz> steve176: you shouldn't need to setup for start at boot. This should be done when the package is installed.
[23:48] <infinity> mathiaz: rc2.d, even.  Our default runlevel is 2, unless someone mangled something very recently...
[23:48] <steve176> mathiaz: Not a package - downloaded and expanded the tar
[23:48] <owh> Tsk Tsk
[23:49] <infinity> steve176: /etc/profile is most likely not sourced on boot at all.
[23:49] <infinity> steve176: I'd imagine your init script will want to set its environment.
[23:49] <steve176> So the only way is to hard code tomcat home in /init.d/tomcat
[23:50] <mathiaz> steve176: is there a reason why you're not using tomcat from the ubuntu repository ?
[23:50] <steve176> mathiaz: I didn't think to check there was one
[23:50] <infinity> steve176: /etc/profile is only sourced for login shells.
[23:50] <owh> 5.5
[23:50] <steve176> infinity: thx, that's bound to be part of the problem
[23:51] <mathiaz> steve176: apt-get install tomcat5.5 will do all the work for you
[23:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: you can see a diff here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?diff=m6820f91d
[23:51] <owh> steve176: Specifically version: 5.5.25-5ubuntu1
[23:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: see if that verbage is better
[23:51] <steve176> mathiaz: sometimes it's nice to do it by hand - that way I'll always have control of the version
[23:52] <mathiaz> kirkland: wfm
[23:52] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, so, i want to file the launchpad bug first, so that I can reference it in the email
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: i was going to file against lsb-base, is that what you recommend?
[23:53] <kirkland> owh has a debdiff patch
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3f24c004
[23:53] <kirkland> mathiaz: that's for the common function
[23:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd send the email first.
[23:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[23:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:55] <steve176> mathiaz, infinity, sommer: looks like that fixed it. cheers
[23:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: your message may be moderated because you're not a developer yet.


[00:46] <Valentin2> can anybody tell me where the gtk (theme) file for gimp is located?
[00:54] <astraljava> Hi. Sorry, I wouldn't know much about gimp at all. If it's not following the global gtkrc, I am totally stumped. Have you tried #gimp, yet?
[01:33] <Valentin2> yes
[01:34] <Valentin2> already tried it in #gimp
[01:34] <Valentin2> till now i figured out that the problem is gimp uses gtk2, but gnome shell uses gtk3
[01:35] <Valentin2> now i need to figure out how to change themes for all gtk2 based programms in gnome shell
[01:36]  * falktx doesn't like gtk3 and his "hidden features"
[01:37] <Valentin2> me2
[01:37] <Valentin2> its really annoying
[01:37] <falktx> gimp gtk3 won't come until gimp 3.x, so...
[01:37] <Valentin2> omg
[01:37] <Valentin2> ok
[01:38] <falktx> the new one (single-mode window) is not even ready
[01:38] <falktx> and that will be gtk2
[01:38] <Valentin2> so its even more necessary to figure out how to change gtk2 themes in gnome shell
[01:38] <falktx> yep
[01:38] <Valentin2> i know
[01:38] <falktx> I'm happy I changed to xfce
[01:38] <falktx> kde is getting bloated
[01:38] <Valentin2> im waiting for gimp 2.8
[01:38] <falktx> Valentin2: me2
[01:38] <falktx> ;)
[01:39] <Valentin2> i never liked kde
[08:43] <l33_> good morning
[19:26] <l33_> bye


[01:24] <thomi> fginther: got a second?
[01:34] <thomi> cihelp: The trusty autopilot CI runners seem to have a version of 'dot' installed that doesn't support PNG: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-trusty-amd64-ci/125/console
[01:34] <thomi> which is causing all our builds to fail
[01:34] <thomi> but I've checked, and the version of dot i have installed on my trusty machine supports dot just fine
[01:34] <thomi> err, 'supports PNG'
[01:34] <thomi> I wonder if someone could take a looksie for me please?
[02:20] <fginther> thomi, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-trusty-amd64-ci/125/console is a pbuilder job, it's pulling in graphviz_2.36.0-0ubuntu1 as a build dependency
[02:21] <thomi> fginther: hmmm, I just did a dist-upgrade, and I have an older version O.0
[02:21] <thomi> maybe I missedsomething
[02:23] <fginther> thomi, does it also need cairo or gd installed to do the rendering: http://www.graphviz.org/doc/info/command.html
[02:24] <fginther> thomi, it's a little unclear if graphviz supports png natively
[02:24] <thomi> fginther: maybe that changed in trusty? In the past it just worked
[02:26] <thomi> I'm just trying to get the same version on my laptop
[02:31] <fginther> thomi, gotta go again, I'll try to check back in a little later
[02:31] <thomi> fginther: ok, thanks for your help
[02:59] <thomi> fginther: it seems that you must run 'dot -c' as root before you can use dot in trusty. Why that's not done in the package scripts, I have no idea
[02:59] <veebers> thomi: that sounds like a bug to me
[03:00] <thomi> indeeed
[03:16] <thomi> fginther: for when you get back, I have a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/graphviz/+bug/1270025
[03:16] <thomi> fginther: is it possible to hack together a solution until that gets resolved? Otherwise we can't merge anything  into AP :-/
[03:23] <veebers> thomi: that graphiz issue also affects the ppas builder: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162686744/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.autopilot_1.4%2B14.04.20131125bzr410trusty0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:26] <thomi> it'll affect everyone who uses graphviz as a build-dep I guess
[03:39] <fginther> thomi, how critical is the use of graphviz? even if we hacked in a hook script to enable the plugin in CI, you wouldn't be able to build in a ppa
[03:40] <thomi> fginther: well, it's needed to build the docs. It's not critical that it gets fixed *today*, but it is critical that it gets fixed soon... before the 1.4 release anyway
[03:40] <thomi> fginther: I mean, in the interim, we could just disable the doc building
[03:40] <thomi> or pre-render those graphics
[03:40] <thomi> but this seems to me like a packaging bug
[03:41] <fginther> thomi, I would recommend disabling the doc in the packaging, these kind of things 'usually' get fixed after a few days
[03:43] <thomi> fginther: do we need to disable the automatic doc uploading to maitri job? I don't want the docs to dissapear from the website in the mean time
[03:44] <fginther> thomi, yes, probably a safe thing to do
[03:44] <thomi> fginther: this doesn't have to be done today - I'm about to EOD, so it must be *super* late for you. Perhaps you can touch base with jfunk and/or pitty tomorrow?
[03:45] <fginther> thomi, sure thing
[03:45] <thomi> thanks an
[03:46] <thomi> *man
[06:37] <ricmm> morning
[06:38] <ricmm> promoting time!
[06:43] <didrocks> ricmm: yeah, email sent! :)
[06:43] <didrocks> Mirv: not sure to understand the ppa issue, it's in Qt5, right, not telepathy-ofono?
[06:44] <ricmm> oops what happened with the latest image
[06:44] <ricmm> theres a browser crasher
[06:46] <didrocks> ricmm: well, I don't care for now, only 132 exits to my eyes (kidding)
[06:48] <ricmm> ok
[06:49] <didrocks> ricmm: webbrowser-app: great chance it's flakyness: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20140117.changes
[06:49] <ricmm> probably
[06:50] <ricmm> but the crashed process was maliit
[06:50] <ricmm> so, weird
[06:50] <didrocks> ricmm: yeah, I'll add to the list of things to retrace/look at
[06:50] <didrocks> ricmm: who is our maliit contact now?
[06:51] <ricmm> thats in process of being shaped ;)
[06:51] <ricmm> so just ping bill
[06:51] <didrocks> ok ;)
[07:07] <Mirv> didrocks: just that the PPA:s are broken at the moment and rebuilds give strange errors. but it seems better now when I do it in a separate PPA.
[07:07] <Mirv> but I should have the build going soon now that I can look at the landing asks preparations too
[07:13] <tsdgeos> hi
[07:13] <tsdgeos> do you guys know if ubuntu-system-settings is under autolanding?
[07:13] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-system-settings/test_qpa/+merge/201943 was approved 15 hours ago
[07:13] <tsdgeos> and not yet autolanded
[07:16] <didrocks> Mirv: great
[07:16] <didrocks> tsdgeos: it's following the new process
[07:16] <didrocks> tsdgeos: you need to get the lander, which is seb
[07:16] <didrocks> who*
[07:17] <didrocks> (it's the only one beta-tested)
[07:17] <tsdgeos> didrocks: i need to get a lander for a 1 line fix in a cmake file?
[07:17] <tsdgeos> is that going to scale?
[07:17] <didrocks> tsdgeos: well, or wait for him directly, he's reviewing all MP regularly
[07:18] <didrocks> tsdgeos: that's what the lander is doing, responsible for trunk
[07:18] <didrocks> and things land in trunk only when in ubuntu
[07:18] <tsdgeos> ok
[07:18] <didrocks> so, no change for you :)
[07:18] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i'll let you do the prodding since this is one of the things that is delaying 5.2
[07:21] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok.
[08:33] <popey> Happy Friday everyone!
[08:56] <sil2100> Happy Friday popey!
[08:56] <sil2100> ;)
[09:04] <ogra_> geez ... why do my ears ring ...
[09:05] <ogra_> didrocks, i assume you want 132 ? :)
[09:05] <didrocks> ogra_: I do want it!
[09:05] <didrocks> hey sil2100!
[09:06] <sil2100> didrocks: morning!
[09:07] <sil2100> didrocks: can we push publish buttons already? ;)
[09:07] <didrocks> sil2100: I was thinking you would come back after your training yesterday, can you handle the components before the meeting ;)
[09:07] <ogra_> sil2100, on it
[09:07] <didrocks> as per my modules
[09:07] <didrocks> sil2100: for things that could have been published, I've already done so
[09:07] <didrocks> see landing asks
[09:07] <psivaa> didrocks: maguro results for 133 is not yet available, the install job had failed on phablet-network setup. rerunning it to see if that's reproducible
[09:08] <ogra_> and done ...
[09:08] <ogra_> [09:08] <didrocks> psivaa: thanks!
[09:08] <didrocks> ogra_: \o/
[09:10] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, I misunderstood the e-mail, I understood "we'll publish it in the morning" in the way that I should publish it in the morning, not that you would do it instead - I'll publish then what I can now
[09:11] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, publication will be in the morning :)
[09:11] <didrocks> sil2100: just prepare for publication :p
[09:11] <didrocks> sil2100: robru updated the status to tell "you can publish"
[09:11] <didrocks> what I did for his components
[09:11] <didrocks> (mathieu as well)
[09:12] <sil2100> didrocks: right, then I did the wrong thing, I thought that I should prepare everything and publish myself in the morning when green light is given ;)
[09:12] <didrocks> sil2100: the email was "prepare in advance" ;)
[09:12] <didrocks> so that we can move on other tasks
[09:13] <sil2100> didrocks: I publish messaging-app and unity-* bits now then
[09:13] <didrocks> ah, you tested them?
[09:13] <didrocks> (if so, all is good, I was just missing the ack on the landing ask sheet ;))
[09:13] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, messaging-app I did before practice, and unity- after I got back
[09:13] <sil2100> :<
[09:13] <didrocks> perfect!
[09:13] <sil2100> Since I thought I will be doing the publishing ;)
[09:14] <didrocks> we didn't loose much then, as we wait for maguro's results before kicking a new image
[09:29] <sil2100> didrocks: packaging ACKs needed:
[09:30] <didrocks> sil2100: ogra_: joining?
[09:30] <didrocks> popey: ?
[09:33] <sil2100> didrocks: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Media/job/cu2d-media-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_mediascanner2_0.99+14.04.20140117-0ubuntu1.diff
[09:33] <sil2100> didrocks: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity/job/cu2d-unity-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-scope-mediascanner_0.2+14.04.20140117-0ubuntu1.diff
[09:45] <sil2100> cjwatson: hello! We have a small 'issue' - there is a unity-scope-mediascanner package in the archive for powerpc, but the new versions cannot be built for powerpc anymore
[09:46] <sil2100> cjwatson: since there was a change of the backend and now some qt5 deps are required
[09:46] <sil2100> cjwatson: what should we do? Would it be possible to remove unity-scope-mediascanner powerpc from the archive?
[09:48]  * popey tries to remember to mute his mic before shouting "have a good weekend" to visitors
[09:56] <sil2100> ;)
[09:59] <mandel> fginther, sorry, It was to late in my timezone, let me know when ever you are around
[10:40] <cjwatson> sil2100: give me a minute to investigate, but probably
[10:42] <cjwatson> sil2100: nothing depends on it on powerpc, so sure.  I won't do it until the new version is uploaded though
[10:46] <davmor2> didrocks: Happy Friday!!!!
[10:53] <didrocks> davmor2: happy Friday!
[10:53] <didrocks> ;)
[10:53] <sil2100> cjwatson: thank you! After the meeting now I'll do the publishing of the new package :)
[10:55] <davmor2> didrocks: I've not looked at the failures for maguro automation yet.  balloons asked me to look at the clock to see if it was a similar issue to the calendar so I'll be doing that when I get back in about an hours time, so if there were any I'll have a dig into them.
[11:04] <didrocks> davmor2: great! (sorry was in meeting), I think the maguro failures were ok (see my email)
[12:06] <sil2100> ogra_: u-s-c should be in proposed soon
[12:06] <ogra_> it already is
[12:07] <ogra_> just saw the mail, thanks !
[12:08] <timp> cjwatson: remember that weird autolanding failure some days ago? Seems like it came back in a different MR https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty-touch/2257/console
[12:09] <mandel> ev, I was talking yesterday with fginther regarding some failing tests in CI, we though it could be because a dbus daemon was not being started. I have pushed a branch that start a dbus process per test in a test case. Right now, while the daemon process is correctly executed in a desktop machine in Jenkins it takes longer than 120s and the timeout is reached. Is there a way to fix this? or at least look closer in
[12:09] <mandel> to the issue
[12:11] <timp> mandel: can that be the problem here also? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4710/
[12:11] <timp> mandel: in the test logs I see dbus issues  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/introspection/__init__.py", line 299, in _get_dbus_addresses_from_search_parameters
[12:11] <timp>     % return_code
[12:12] <timp> but perhaps the crash logs give more useful information for you?
[12:12] <mandel> timp, hm.. interesting, cause my tests also fail and are using QDbus and not python and I get a similar warning : CRITICAL - Could not register service QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported", "Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11"
[12:13] <ev> mandel: does your test work if you remove the X session and DBus variables before starting it? That is, if you log into your system without spawning a desktop session, like via SSH?
[12:13] <timp> mandel: the failures may not be consistent.
[12:13] <fginther> mandel, I was able to reproduce the test failures
[12:13] <timp> mandel: see this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[12:13] <timp> mandel: I got the same fails several times there, and then suddenly autolanding did work once
[12:13] <ev> mandel: fginther had said the following about this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/103104/
[12:14] <mandel> fginther, awesome! tell me how?
[12:14] <ev> oh hai fginther :)
[12:14] <ev> I'll leave you to it
[12:14]  * mandel reads
[12:15] <davmor2> didrocks: so it looks like clock app and calendar are both suffering from a similar fate in that at some point in the tests the app isn't fully closed before it is tried to be opened confusing the hell out of the system and locking the app up.
[12:15] <fginther> mandel, I did this two different ways, the first was to run the tests from an ssh session, which removes all of the X and DBUS environment variables inherited from xterm or gnome term
[12:16] <didrocks> davmor2: yeah, can be linked to the other issue you are seeing I guess on maguro with app not starting
[12:16] <mandel> fginther, hm.. ok, makes sense, I now need to know how to deal with this case
[12:16] <mandel> :-/
[12:16] <mandel> fginther, thx for taking a look while I EOD!
[12:16] <cjwatson> timp: sorry, I actually don't know why you're asking me about this :)
[12:17] <fginther> mandel, the second method was to just unset these environment variables: DISPLAY, and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[12:17] <cjwatson> timp: I'd suggest asking somebody in CI
[12:18] <fginther> timp, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty-touch/2257/console contains a qmlscene crash
[12:19] <davmor2> didrocks: daft as it sounds is it worth doing something like tearDown: if os.(call I've forgotten)[2]==maguro wait 5 seconds
[12:19] <timp> cjwatson: iirc, you were the lucky one to say anything when I first asked about it ;)
[12:19] <didrocks> davmor2: should be in autopilot maybe
[12:19] <timp> cjwatson: and I have no idea who I should be asking
[12:19] <didrocks> davmor2: mind talking to your QA folks? ;)
[12:20] <cjwatson> timp: I think whatever I said must have been a drive-by comment on some particular bit of it - I'm afraid I don't know how to deal with autolanding/autopilot etc. failures in general, it's not my field
[12:20] <timp> cjwatson: okay. no problem :)
[12:20] <didrocks> timp: if you think it's autopilot, you should ping QA I guess, if you think it's the CI infra, you should ping the vanguard listed in /topic
[12:21] <fginther> timp, greyback looked at the last qmlscene crashing problem I saw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1262982, maybe he can look at this too
[12:21] <timp> didrocks, fginther ok, thanks
[12:22] <timp> ev: do you know if this can be an CI infra problem? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4710/
[12:23] <timp> ev: I saw the same (or similar?) this week several times in this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[12:23] <timp> ev: but at some point autolanding did work (I don't know why it first did not pass and then it did)
[12:24] <Mirv> didrocks: the UI toolkit flaky maguro test is supposed to be linked to ubuntu-keyboard bug that got a fix yesterday in trunk
[12:25] <didrocks> Mirv: ah excellent, will we have a landing ask for it?
[12:26] <ev> hmm
[12:27] <didrocks> Mirv: sil2100: btw, force_rebuild in the build job is doing the skip check
[12:27] <didrocks> (skip version check)
[12:27] <didrocks> in citrain
[12:27] <didrocks> I removed the option at the time so that it's easier to understand
[12:28] <Mirv> greyback: could you get ubuntu-keyboard to landing asks in case the trunk would be ready?
[12:29] <greyback> Mirv: the fix landed, so yeah it can be released.
[12:29] <ev> god these tests are noisy
[12:30] <greyback> kgunn: can you add ubuntu-keyboard to the landing ASKs list please?
[12:30] <davmor2> didrocks: will do
[12:30] <fginther> timp, again https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4710/ has a qmlscene crash, I would ask unity8 and/or mir team for assistance. I could be another case of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1262982
[12:31] <timp> fginther: ok
[12:32] <timp> greyback / Saviq ^ does one of you have an idea? If you want more information or I should test something let me know
[12:33] <greyback> timp: sorry there's nothing more I can help with on that, it's lower level than I
[12:33] <timp> greyback: okay. do you think it is a Mir thing? So I should find someone in the Mir team?
[12:33] <Saviq> timp, yeah, #ubuntu-mir
[12:34] <Saviq> timp, they'll at least know what that error means
[12:34] <ev> fginther: ah, too fast for me. I was just going to point at that :)
[12:34] <timp> Saviq, greyback okay thanks
[12:34] <Mirv> greyback: thanks
[12:34] <greyback> Mirv: it's in the ask sheet now
[13:15] <sergiusens> popey, this probably needs retesting https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/156/ ; I did not test on the latest and greatest
[13:15] <popey> ack
[13:16] <sergiusens> mandel, ev are you using the dbus-test-runner?
[13:16] <sergiusens> fginther, ^^
[13:17] <mandel> sergiusens, no, I'm just running a special daemon that allows extra features for testing like forcing dbus errors
[15:17] <dobey> sil2100: can you trigger daily ppa build of unity-scope-click? a branch was landed that set G_MESSAGES_DEBUG so we can maybe get some more info from lp about what is failing
[15:24] <sil2100> dobey: sure
[15:24] <dobey> thanks
[16:28] <sil2100> josepht, cihelp: hi! When running stacks in cu2d I noticed that the otto nvidia machine (autopilot-nvidia) fails strangely, cannot find any containers:
[16:28] <sil2100> josepht, cihelp: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-trusty-daily_release/1204/label=autopilot-nvidia/console
[16:29] <cjohnston> sil2100: please don't use cih... when there is a vanguard
[16:30] <josepht> sil2100: looking
[16:30] <sil2100> cjohnston: ACK, need to remember that
[16:30] <sil2100> didrocks: are you around for some packaging ACKs?
[16:30] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, 1€ each ack, 10€ for 15 (group price ;))
[16:31] <sil2100> :O That's a rip off!
[16:31] <didrocks> \o/
[16:31] <sil2100> ;)
[16:31] <didrocks> use the discount label!
[16:33] <sil2100> didrocks: aaaactually I found a minor thing in the packaging diff, but you decide if it's a blocker... so the diffs:
[16:33] <sil2100> http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Platform/job/cu2d-platform-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_process-cpp_0.0.1+14.04.20140117-0ubuntu1.diff <- this one seems ok
[16:34] <sil2100> http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Platform/job/cu2d-platform-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_dbus-cpp_1.0.0+14.04.20140117-0ubuntu1.diff <- a big change, they're changing from the header-only approach to a real library - but the descriptions need updating, as they still state: "header-only dbus-binding..."
[16:34] <didrocks> sil2100: hum, there are some 0replaceme? It's like my sedding wasn't working anymore?
[16:35] <sil2100> hmmmmm, right, didn't notice that one! hm, it's been a while we had a symbols diff
[16:35] <didrocks> sil2100: nack on second
[16:36] <didrocks> sil2100: dbus-cpp is in main, right?
[16:36] <sil2100> didrocks: right
[16:36] <didrocks> libprocess-cpp-dev is in universe
[16:37] <didrocks> and I stopped there
[16:37] <didrocks> libproperties-cpp-dev as well
[16:38] <sil2100> I wonder why dbus-cpp is in main?
[16:38] <sil2100> The only package that uses it is ubuntu-location-service as a build dep, which is universe
[16:38] <sil2100> This only causes trouble..!
[16:39] <didrocks> sil2100: hum, not sure what you are basing your statement
[16:39] <didrocks> music-hub and platform-api are depending on it
[16:39] <didrocks> and platform-api is in main
[16:39] <didrocks> and anyway, in the end, we want everything we produce Touch with in main
[16:40] <ogra_> not "in the end"
[16:40] <ogra_> before trusty gets released :)
[16:40] <cjwatson> so we should MIR process-cpp, then ...
[16:40] <sil2100> Right, rdepends is not really reliable as far as build-deps go
[16:40] <didrocks> ogra_: well, that would be ideal, you are more opptimistic than I am :)
[16:41] <ogra_> MIR'ing packages is a discussion point for the sprint
[16:41] <sil2100> Indeed, at least it gives me time to fix the descriptions and maybe examine the symbols mystery
[16:41] <didrocks> sil2100: it is, but use -r
[16:41] <ogra_> iirc it is on the agenda
[16:41] <didrocks> oopss,
[16:41] <didrocks> -b
[16:41] <didrocks> sil2100: ^
[16:41] <didrocks> for build-deps
[16:42] <cjwatson> if you're using reverse-depends(1), yes
[16:42] <cjwatson> sil2100 might have meant apt-get rdepends
[16:42] <didrocks> oh, possibly, yeah
[16:43] <sil2100> Now that's much better, yeah
[16:43] <sil2100> Thanks
[16:43] <didrocks> yw!
[16:43] <didrocks> sil2100: getting tvoss filing the MIR
[16:43] <didrocks> ?
[16:43] <sil2100> Let me take a look into process-cpp deps and try MIR'ing it
[16:43] <didrocks> thanks
[16:43] <didrocks> ogra_: that's when I'm thinking "poor mterry" :p
[16:43] <sil2100> He's out right now, might be back later but he's nearing his EOD I guess
[16:44] <didrocks> ogra_: as I NEWed most of them, I refuse to MIR those
[16:44] <didrocks> it would be "acking and reacking"
[16:44] <didrocks> better to have a second opinion
[16:47] <ogra_> didrocks, well, i hope we can temporary "staff up" the MIR team ... thus the topic at the sprint
[16:48] <didrocks> ogra_: I requested that in April 2013 and again in August to prepare that topic
[16:48] <didrocks> no action…
[16:48] <ogra_> yeah
[16:48] <didrocks> or no victim found :p
[16:48]  * didrocks looks at ogra
[16:48] <didrocks> hum… ;)
[16:49] <ogra_> we'll see :)
[16:50] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, so we'll have to MIR process-cpp and properties-cpp - process-cpp is MIR clean in deps, but properties-cpp needs lcov to be in main as well - but lcov is a small package
[16:52] <didrocks> sil2100: I think tvoss is removing lcov from everywhere
[16:52] <didrocks> look at the recent packaging diff
[16:53] <sil2100> didrocks: then I'll poke him about that one if he's still around, maybe he'll do it for properties-* as well
[16:54] <didrocks> yep
[17:01] <plars> hmm
[17:01] <didrocks> cyphermox: coming?
[17:01] <didrocks> plars:  ^
[17:01] <didrocks> ogra_: ^
[17:01] <plars> didrocks: when I try to join it says "the party's over, but you can start a new one"
[17:02] <didrocks> plars: some people got that in the past
[17:02] <didrocks> plars: click on starting a new one
[17:02] <robru> plars, in my experience if you just click 'start a new one' it works
[17:26] <didrocks> sergiusens: you can release calendar-app btw :)
[17:26] <didrocks> balloons:  ^
[17:27] <balloons> :-)
[17:36] <sil2100> dobey: any luck with the FTBFS in unity-scope-click? I see some more debugging output now
[17:37] <dobey> sil2100: no. unfortunately it just says it timed out. i'm looking at the code to figure out why it would time out, though
[17:44] <fginther> sil2100, the otto issue should be resolved, can you try a new build?
[17:44] <sil2100> kenvandine, robru, cyphermox: ^ does anyone of you guys need a particular stack rebuilt?
[17:45] <kenvandine> sil2100, nope
[17:45] <sil2100> Since we'd like to check if the nvidia machine is back online
[17:47] <didrocks> cyphermox: hey, once you will be back: I assigned one landing to you! ;)
[17:48] <sil2100> fginther: thanks! I'll try running any stack then ;)
[17:49] <cyphermox> ok
[17:55] <dobey> sil2100: figured out what is causing the failure. trying to fix it now. wish my bug report against CI would get fixed to catch these things :)
[17:56] <sil2100> dobey: hah, excellent, thanks! Out of curiosity, what bug would that be?
[17:56] <dobey> sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ci-services-itself/+bug/1262863
[17:57] <sergiusens> balloons, already did a while ago
[18:00] <robru> sil2100, oh, I already rebuilt some stacks that I needed...
[18:19] <sil2100> Have a nice weekend everyone!
[18:56] <sergiusens> robru, can we daily release goget-ubuntu-touch?
[18:56] <sergiusens> shouldn't be affecting the touch images yet!
[18:56] <sergiusens> :-)
[19:16] <robru> sergiusens, yeah, it's already set up for that in the misc stack, but the thing is that actually for a long time now there is no such thing as daily_release...
[19:17] <sergiusens> robru, heh; well whatever the name is now; can we get it released ;-)
[19:17] <sergiusens> and I'll join the bandwagon
[19:18] <sergiusens> :-)
[19:24] <robru> sergiusens, i just released it recently, are you saying it needs a new release now?
[19:25] <sergiusens> robru, yup; to get the nice EDGE skin for the emulator and to fix a dependency
[19:25] <sergiusens> 3 merges iirc
[19:25] <robru> sergiusens, ok
[19:26] <sergiusens> yup, 3 it is https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/goget-ubuntu-touch/trunk
[19:26] <robru> sergiusens, ok, it's building.
[19:29] <sergiusens> ty
[19:41] <dobey> robru, kenvandine: can one of you trigger daily ppa build of unity-click-scope again please?
[19:41] <dobey> err, unity-scope-click even
[19:44] <robru> dobey, ok
[19:46] <dobey> thanks


[10:43] <ikonia> 21:21 < syko> dr_willis: is ubuntu manual suitable for ubuntu-based distros users too?
[10:43] <ikonia> 21:21 < syko> a friend of mine needs help.
[10:43] <ikonia> 21:21 < syko> he runs backbox.
[10:43] <ikonia> it's the same guy
[10:43] <ikonia> and there we have it
[10:43] <ikonia> as this is why he was kicked out of #kali-linux as he was running backbox - not kal-linux and he was arleady banned from #ubuntu
[10:43] <ikonia> so he's still using backbox linux
[11:18] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu fudus just making up comments and blaming microsoft as "fact" for things that there is no suggestion let alone fact of MS's involvement in
[18:32] <DJones> TheUsD> is ripping a website considered illegal?
[18:32] <DJones> Not the first time that nicks asked about questionable activities
[18:32] <bazhang> yep
 semitones I asked that because I wanted to ask for a good website ripping tool for ubuntu, but don't want to without violating rules here.
[18:34] <bazhang> that means... he wants to violate rules
[18:55] <DJones> Is syko supposed to be banned or not? I can see the comments in scrollback about them, and can see that they've got a killed idoru, spam is offtopic on freenode in scrollback earlier/yesterday
[19:05] <LjL-Alps> downloading websites, such a heinous crime
[19:06] <bazhang> the @bansearch says no
[19:07] <DJones> Ah well, thats good
[21:59] <Corey> I got to meet pici yesterday!
[22:00] <IdleOne> Is as nice in person as he is in real life?
[22:00] <IdleOne> err
[22:00] <IdleOne> you know what I mean
[22:01] <IdleOne> lol I confused IRC with real life
[22:03] <Corey> Nicer.
[22:04] <IdleOne> :)
[22:04] <IdleOne> was that at FOSSCON?
[22:05] <Corey> Indeed.
[22:05] <IdleOne> cool
[22:10] <Pici> It was pretty random.  I wasn't expecting to see anyone besides the 'local' freenodian people there.
[22:10] <Corey> When you live in airports, everywhere is local. :-)
[22:10] <IdleOne> heh
[22:10] <IdleOne> I thought Lyz was going to be there also
[22:11] <Pici> She was.
[22:11] <Corey> Yeah, but I've known her for years.
[22:11] <Pici> JohnathanD and Lyz were the ones who I knew where going to be there.
[22:11] <Corey> I finally got to meet jonathanD.
[22:11] <IdleOne> So have I but I haven't had the fortune off meeting her in person, or you or Pici :(
[22:11] <Corey> That only took five years. :-)
[22:11] <Corey> IdleOne: No, I mean I've met her before. Repeatedly. At pretty much every conference I go to. :-)
[22:12] <IdleOne> Sure, rub it in
[22:12] <Pici> hah
[22:12] <IdleOne> lol
[22:12] <Corey> pleia2 is, much like American Express, everywhere you want to be.
[22:12] <IdleOne> Some day...
[22:12] <Pici> yano and jtrucks were there as well.
[22:13] <Corey> That's not as exciting. Particularly if you've met yano. :-D
[22:13] <IdleOne> so it was a mini freenode staffcon
[22:13] <Corey> I gave a talk. It was lovely.
[22:13] <Corey> People wept at the end.
[22:13] <Pici> We heckled him.
[22:13] <IdleOne> lol
[22:13] <Corey> Okay, *I* wept at the end.
[22:13] <Pici> He heckled himself too.
[22:13] <IdleOne> They were that mean to you huh
[22:14] <Corey> Oh please, I bring it on myself.
[22:14] <IdleOne> least you are past the denial stage
[22:14] <IdleOne> :P
[22:53] <pleia2> pleia2, just like amex
[23:09] <Flannel> It's funny because that's Visa's slogan, not AmEx.
[23:16] <pleia2> so.. just like visa?
[23:17] <IdleOne> I think you would be more like Discover
[23:17] <pleia2> not acepted anywhere :(
[23:17] <IdleOne> unrelated note, I am upset with Discovery channel for fooling me.
[23:17] <IdleOne> pleia2: err never mind that then.
[23:18] <IdleOne> I was thinking more about how you travel a lot and share awesome stuff you "discover"
[23:18] <pleia2> oh, I see :)
[23:19] <IdleOne> Did you really think I meant you are not accepted anywhere :(
[23:20] <pleia2> I actually had no idea ;)
[23:21] <IdleOne> Just so you know. I never think anything but positive when it comes to you.
[23:21]  * pleia2 hugs IdleOne
[23:21]  * IdleOne hugs back
[23:57] <rebbecajohnson20> Idleone bought me here
[23:58] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: Howdy.  How can we help you?
[23:58] <rebbecajohnson20> Flannel you banned me
[23:58] <rebbecajohnson20> On ubuntu offtopic
[23:58] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: This is correct.
[23:58] <rebbecajohnson20> *palmface*
[23:58] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: Did you have a question? or what?
[23:59] <rebbecajohnson20> Yea
[23:59] <rebbecajohnson20> Why I was banned
[23:59] <Flannel> rebbecajohnson20: because it became apparent that you had no interest in paying attention to the channel guidelines.
[23:59] <rebbecajohnson20> What is chabnel guidlines?