[00:09] <Flannel> LjL: Want to remove ikanobori?  He's still logging -ot
[00:09] <Flannel> Whether he's just walked away, or whatnot...
[00:09] <LjL> Flannel: logging? publicly?
[00:09] <Flannel> LjL: yep
[00:10] <Flannel> http://ikanobori.jp/irclogs/freenode/ubuntu-offtopic/2009/03/23.txt
[00:10] <LjL> Flannel: where?
[00:10] <LjL> Flannel: has he been told to stop? i realized there was talk about logging, but i never realized he was doing public logging
[00:10] <Flannel> I... believe so.  I wasn't around when the discussion happened.  Let me scroll back
[00:11] <Flannel> LjL: He posted that link and thats what started the discussion
[00:11] <Flannel> Yeah, I'd say he was more or less told to not do it.
[00:11] <Flannel> Oh, there he is now
[00:12] <LjL> i've invited him here
[00:12] <Flannel> sounds good
[00:13] <ikanobori> LjL: why?
[00:13] <LjL> ikanobori: why are you still publicly logging #ubuntu-offtopic after it was clarified that's not supposed to happen?
[00:14] <ikanobori> LjL: that actual link is not publicised anywhere except for the channel therefore it is only know to people who already have access to everything discussed in the channel
[00:15] <Flannel> ikanobori: That's not really how it works.
[00:15] <LjL> ikanobori, it's on a web site
[00:15] <LjL> that's WAY public enough
[00:15] <LjL> (besides, do you think Google has just had a lobotomy or anything?)
[00:15] <ikanobori> robots.txt
[00:15] <ikanobori> Anyway, if you want me to take it down, I'll take it down.
[00:16] <LjL> yes, i think we want you to take it down
[00:16] <ikanobori> Then that's done.
[00:17] <LjL> ikanobori: thank you
[00:19] <ikanobori> Then I'll part this channel again?
[00:20] <LjL> ikanobori: if you have no questions on your mind for us, please do
[00:21] <ikanobori> LjL: I could make up some vague question, but I won't ;)
[00:22] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops ikanobori Was logging #ubuntu-offtopic publicly after being informed that's not allowed - claims that's not happening anymore now
[00:34] <Seeker`> why do people quote a whole email and then just type 5 words?
[00:35] <Flannel> Seeker`: Because they have bad etiquette
[00:35] <Flannel> They apparently forget the "trim your quotes" part of sanity.
[00:36]  * Flannel hides from elky
[00:37] <Seeker`> heh
[00:44] <LjL> i had given the wrong lists in the mail
[00:44] <LjL> corrected them now
[01:03] <elky> i'm at work, dopeys
[01:07] <Seeker`> dopeys?
[01:08] <LjL> dopey!
[01:08] <LjL> and daviey
[01:19] <Daviey> :(
[03:12] <Flannel> rww: How can we help you today?
[03:13] <rww> In case nobody's watching #ubuntu+1 right now, DaemonFC's in there doing his usual thing. Figured I should let y'all know in case you didn't already :)
[03:14] <Flannel> rww: call o-p-s in there if it becomes an issue (I'm not in there, am not sure what his "usual" thing is), and am not sure if anyone is awake (but the trigger, if required, will wake the appropriate ones)
[03:15] <rww> Flannel: he got banned from -ot yesterday for trolling. The problem is that he doesn't do anything specifically !ops-able, he's just generally annoying.
[03:17] <rww> I'll just do my usual thing and /ignore him, but I figured that since he just got banned from -ot yesterday, someone in here might care about him repeating his performance elsewhere.
[03:18] <LjL> rww: i really have to go to bed and cannot deal with this now
[03:18] <LjL> rww: but, give him !ot, that works often enough
[03:18] <LjL> rww: if he keeps on being offtopic after warning, that's ! ops-able
[03:18] <rww> LjL: understood. Thanks
[03:18] <LjL> although he's discussing stuff with a kernel dev, so, erm
[03:19] <LjL> careful :)
[03:19] <rww> yeah, i noticed that :)
[03:32] <tritium> LjL: I'm back.  I see you took action.  Thanks.  Looks like it was a young kid living at the homeless shelter our LoCo has done some volunteer work.  I'll have a talk with the shelter administrators.
[03:39] <tritium> @login
[03:39] <tritium> @btlogin
[05:07] <maco> 3 #archlinux guys just /join'd #ubuntu-women to make fun of women
[05:07] <maco> they're acting like theyre trying to ask the channel out on a date
[05:08] <maco> and making jokes about makeup
[05:08] <maco> i told them to get out and they said went all "oh, no men allowed?"
[05:10] <maco> elky?
[05:10] <maco> somebody?
[05:10] <Amaranth> I have no access, sorry
[05:10] <maco> ok
[05:11] <maco> figures, you join, they go silent
[05:15] <maco> bruenig, sykopomp, and betarepeating are the ones
[05:15] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[05:19] <Amaranth> maco: Looks like all freenode staff have access in #ubuntu-women
[05:20] <Amaranth> maco: Something to think about :)
[05:20] <maco> i just went and asked in there
[05:20] <maco> no response yet
[05:20] <Amaranth> maco: I was thinking more along the lines of !staff
[05:21] <maco> ok...
[05:22] <maco> im afraid of them scampering off before the staff person shows up with no retribution :P
[05:22] <maco> loss of element of surprise?
[05:22] <maco> but i think Until_It_Sleeps may be freenode person...not sure how to find out
[05:23] <maco> oh no wait, i see...cloaks tell it
[05:23] <Amaranth> maco: Wouldn't help, the access list allows people with the freenode staff hostmask
[05:23] <Amaranth> Not staff wearing a wikipedia cloak
[05:25] <maco> it didnt say anything n #freenode when i called !staff in #u-w
[05:25] <maco> is that normal?
[05:25] <Amaranth> yes, that's meant to be used here
[05:26] <Amaranth> so the staff who hang out in the channel can check on things
[05:32]  * Amaranth hugs elky
[05:33] <elky> i'm doing this from work, at a government client. i'm not feeling comfortable with it taking long
[05:35] <elky> -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[05:35] <elky> -ChanServ- #ubuntu-women has the SECURE option enabled, and maco does not have appropriate access.
[05:35] <elky> NOT HELPFUL!
[05:36] <maco> heh
[05:36] <elky> !staff ^^ what is that crap? it's obstructive
[05:36] <elky> what?!
[05:36] <elky> !staff
[05:37] <Amaranth> elky: Just kick them already, one of them is obviously trolling
[05:58] <maco> Amaranth: elky's driving home right now, and im going to bed. keep an eye on them, please?
 what thing
 the thing
 in my pants?
[06:31] <bazhang> they should be banned from ubuntu namespace for that. the #archlinux trolls have been a problem for a long long time.
[06:41] <bazhang> sykopomp claims it was only bruenig and he came along for the ride
[06:42] <bazhang> but judging from what you pasted he is trolling/stalking
[06:46] <bazhang> could we also get a ban on groovyorange in -ot for long time ban evading?
[06:47] <bazhang> http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20081207.html.gz * [groovyOrange] (n=Username@<IP_ADDRESS>): Real name
[06:48] <bazhang> just had a PM chat with sykopomp who claims he is entirely innocent, and that it is I who is wrong for asking him to leave
[06:48] <bazhang> that I am being 'almost insulting and threatening' and he will save the logs
[06:49] <bazhang> he refuses to part the channel however.
[07:02] <bazhang> @bansearch daemon_
[07:03] <bazhang> @bansearch xavierg2003
 stop trolling this channel   <sykopomp> okay, I did a while ago.
 actually, i wasn't even trolling. Read the log, it was all bruenig, and I just pointed him out since I figured he'd come troll
[07:20] <bazhang> loads of fun today  :/
[07:55] <jussi01> sigh...
[07:55] <jussi01> I have to ask an embarrasingly simple question... <goes to google first>
[07:55] <bazhang> * DaemonFC loves self-appointed pretend mods such as bazhang   :/
[07:56] <bazhang> may be time to stick to #ubuntu alone
[07:57] <elky> when and where was that?
[07:58] <jussi01> elky: just now, +1
[07:58] <jussi01> does anyone know where to find that firefox extension that gpg decrption in gmail?
[08:00] <elky> jussi01, i'd imagine it's in the mozilla addons section
[08:44] <ikonia> morning
[08:47] <ikonia> bruenig has been causing more issues again I see
[08:49] <elky> yeah. some of them are still haunting -women
[08:49] <ikonia> any reason they have not been bounced ?
[08:50] <elky> because between maco and jono, it was decided they were behaving enough to be given a chance
[08:50] <ikonia> okey dokey
[08:51] <elky> i was trying to get home, and i lost the can-i-have-my-car-back-now-please ticket while trying to deal with it
[08:51] <elky> thankfully they let me out without a fine
[08:51] <ikonia> oh dear
[08:51] <ikonia> very lucky
[08:51] <elky> (which would have been 'oh hai, pay again')
[08:52] <ikonia> in the UK it's pay the maximum ammount if you lose your ticket
[08:52] <elky> sykopomp is still in -women, dont know if the other two were
[08:52] <elky> s/were/are/
[09:03] <elky> well yes. that's logical. the fact that he saw me pay was the winning detail
[09:04] <elky> ikonia, where else do the arch trolls hit?
[09:15] <ikonia> #ubuntu
[09:15] <ikonia> #ot
[09:15] <ikonia> few
[09:22] <elky> @bansearch gbeebo
[09:22] <elky> um... what was he originally in as?
[09:23] <ikonia> no idea
[09:23] <ikonia> not seen him before that I can think of
[09:24] <elky> @bansearch nbeebo
[09:24] <elky> @btlogin
[09:31] <elky> BUGabundo, do you need help with something?
[09:32] <BUGabundo> nope
[09:32] <BUGabundo> thanks any way
[09:34] <ikonia> nope - just testing you where still banned
[09:34] <ikonia> as you've tried over the weekend
[09:35] <ikonia> with another new ip address
[09:35] <ikonia> his IP hasn't changed in weeks, he gets banned and all of a suddent he's getting a new IP every few minutes

[09:36] <Myrtti> WHAT has been going on at -women this weekend...
[09:36] <Myrtti> wwweeeeeiiiird stuff
[09:36] <elky> ikonia, who?
[09:36] <Myrtti> bugabundo
[09:36]  * gnomefreak not shocked since n-m is broken (the testing version in asac's PPA
[09:36] <ikonia> elky: BUGabundo
[09:36] <elky> ikonia, banned from where?
[09:36] <gnomefreak> and hes testing it
[09:36] <ikonia> +1
[09:36] <ikonia> gnomefreak: then perhaps not carrying on with this behaviour and actually speaking to people would be better
[09:37] <gnomefreak> ikonia: agreed, i didnt know about that
[09:41] <ikonia> yeah - nice ident
[09:46] <bazhang> trolls/stalker in -women sorted?
[09:46] <elky> meanwhile, i still want a staff to tell me why i cant op people up in -women
[09:46] <BUGabundo> good morning
[09:46] <BUGabundo> can the ban on #ubuntu+1 be removed?
[09:46] <BUGabundo> it has been more then the required 48h
[09:46] <BUGabundo> thanks
[09:46] <bazhang> BUGabundo, you'll need to talk to ikonia
[09:47] <ikonia> BUGabundo: hi
[09:47] <BUGabundo> hi ikonia, how are you?
[09:47] <BUGabundo> ikonia: can the ban on #ubuntu+1 be removed?
[09:47] <ikonia> BUGabundo: fine,
[09:47] <BUGabundo> thank you
[09:47] <ikonia> BUGabundo: whoaa, no "how are you" "fine" was my laggy response
[09:48] <ikonia> BUGabundo: why did you join #ubuntu+1 over the weekend ?
[09:48] <ikonia> (I sent you a memo about it also )
[09:48] <BUGabundo> did I?
[09:48] <ikonia> yes,
[09:48] <BUGabundo> I only got send here
[09:48] <BUGabundo> when pidgin autologin
[09:48] <BUGabundo> and then parted the channel
[09:48] <ikonia> BUGabundo: no you didn't
[09:48] <ikonia> you stayed in talking for over 3 hours as I recall
[09:48] <Myrtti> how about you take the autojoin off?
[09:48] <ikonia> (maybe a bit less as I don't have the logs to hand)
[09:48] <BUGabundo> once I got in with an unregiter ncik (bugabundo1) but part immediately
[09:48] <ikonia> no
[09:49] <ikonia> you joined the same day you where banned and started talking
[09:49] <ikonia> you stayed in the channel for a reasonable ammount of time talking
[09:49] <ikonia> and I then sent you a memo about it with memoserve
[09:49] <ikonia> which I know you read
[09:49] <BUGabundo> ikonia: I thought the ban had been removed.. (are we talking on friday, right?
[09:49] <ikonia>  BUGabundo why did you think it had been removed
[09:49] <ikonia> why did you change IP addresse almost straight after the ban
[09:50] <BUGabundo> I got you memo telling me I change IPs, which I did not
[09:50] <elky> ikonia, the 48 hours would recommence from that point then
[09:50] <ikonia> BUGabundo: why would I remove it after I told you it is for the weekend
[09:50] <ikonia> BUGabundo: you did change IP
[09:50] <ikonia> thats how you got passed the ban
[09:50] <BUGabundo> it was a dyn ip, on the place I was connenting
[09:50] <BUGabundo> I did not change the IP
[09:50] <ikonia> ok "you're ip changed"
[09:50] <BUGabundo> ok
[09:50] <BUGabundo> out of my control then
[09:50] <BUGabundo> I thought the ban was on NICK not IP
[09:50] <ikonia> staying in the channel talking
[09:50] <BUGabundo> plus that was on Friday
[09:51] <ikonia> that was in your control
[09:51] <ikonia> as was auto join
[09:51] <ikonia> so what if that was on friday
[09:51] <BUGabundo> the ban over the weekend was obbeyed
[09:51] <ikonia> no - you broke it on Friday
[09:51] <ikonia> and you knew you did
[09:51] <BUGabundo> again, I though it was removed.... (on Friday)
[09:51] <BUGabundo> then I came here (#ops) on Saturday and we discussed this
[09:52] <ikonia> why would I remove it after telling you - and you agreeing to stay out for the weekend
[09:52] <elky> BUGabundo, a hint: lying makes things worse.
[09:52] <BUGabundo> and we are having the same discussion all over again
[09:52] <BUGabundo> ikonia: please do was you and other OPs see fit.
[09:52] <ikonia> BUGabundo: did you agree to stay out of #ubuntu+1 until the end of the weekend ?
[09:52] <BUGabundo> I obbeyed the weekend rule
[09:52] <elky> another hint, for free: treating us like we're stupid and naive will also make things worse.
[09:52] <BUGabundo> and now I'm going to get work done
[09:52] <BUGabundo> thank you for the time
[09:53] <ikonia> BUGabundo: this attitude isn't helping
[09:53] <BUGabundo> ikonia: its no attitude
[09:53] <ikonia> BUGabundo: come back when you're willing to talk frankly
[09:53] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to be helpful
[09:53] <BUGabundo> you seem to be trying to builing me...
[09:53] <BUGabundo> I'm steping back, that's just it
[09:53] <ikonia> BUGabundo: did you agree to stay out of #ubuntu+1 until the end of the weekend yes/no ?
[09:53] <BUGabundo> don't want a fight with any one
[09:53] <BUGabundo> Yes
[09:54] <ikonia> BUGabundo: so why did you join on friday and stay in talking for hours ?
[09:54] <BUGabundo> ikonia: I answered that before.
[09:54] <ikonia> BUGabundo: I missed it
[09:54] <BUGabundo> and again, when I was redirected to thischannel on Saturday
[09:54] <ikonia> or missunderstood
[09:54] <ikonia> BUGabundo: I re-directed you due to you ban dodging
[09:54] <BUGabundo> I got clear instructions
[09:55] <ikonia> you got clear instructions to stay out of the channel
[09:55] <BUGabundo> and obbeyed them, didn't I ?
[09:55] <ikonia> yet you joined
[09:55] <ikonia> no
[09:55] <ikonia> you joined on friday hours after the ban was set
[09:55] <ikonia> and you stayed in that channel for hours
[09:55] <BUGabundo> again.... though the ban was removed
[09:55] <BUGabundo> never thought it was IP related
[09:55] <ikonia> you AGREED - forget the ban to stay out
[09:55] <ikonia> yet you didn't
[09:56] <BUGabundo> I agreed on Saturday
[09:56] <ikonia> no
[09:56] <ikonia> you agreed on Friday
[09:56] <BUGabundo> on Friday it was just imposed
[09:56] <ikonia> when I banned you
[09:56] <BUGabundo> will please some other OP mediate this discussion. thanks
[09:56] <ikonia> no - you agreed to stay out on Friday
[09:56] <ikonia> no problem
[09:57] <elky> BUGabundo, you breached the ban. that is a Freenode policy breach. I could choose to pass this on to them, or you could take the punishment respectfully for that single channel.
[09:58]  * Myrtti can't understand how difficult it is to take a channel off the autojoin in pidgin
[09:58] <BUGabundo> elky I did! I stayed out the all weekend as requested by another OP in this channel on Saturday morning
[09:58] <ikonia> they requested you stay out because you where banned and ban dodging
[09:58] <elky> BUGabundo, what time UTC did you last leave the #ubuntu+1 channel?
[09:58] <BUGabundo> I don't know what ban dodging is, not did I tried that
[09:59] <BUGabundo> elky some thing along Friday night
[09:59] <elky> BUGabundo, ban dodging is resetting your router for a new ip address, then rejoining channels which have banned your old one.
[09:59] <BUGabundo> not sure the hour
[09:59] <elky> ikonia, when in UTC did he last leave the channel, since i'm not getting an honest answer from him
[09:59] <BUGabundo> elky as explained before, that was out of my control
[09:59] <elky> ikonia, he states friday now, but just before said saturday, so i cannot trust his words
[10:00] <ikonia> staying in a channel for hours is not ou of your control
[10:00] <BUGabundo> elky I can post my logs... not knowing the hour, is not an disonest anwser
[10:00] <ikonia> setting auto join is not out of control
[10:00] <elky> BUGabundo, i'm not one of the people that think irc bans reset routers within 10 minutes.
[10:01] <elky> ikonia, can i have a UTC timestamp of the last time he departed +1?
[10:01] <ikonia> you're iP address had not changed in over a week when I looked yet it changed straight after the ban was set
[10:01] <BUGabundo> elky I already explaing I though the ban was on Nick... not IP
[10:01] <ikonia> elky: I'll grab the logs from the website as I had to bounce my box at the weekend
[10:01] <elky> ikonia, thanks
[10:01] <BUGabundo> ikonia: I connected to the internet from more then 4 places over the weekend
[10:01] <BUGabundo> over several networks
[10:01] <ikonia> BUGabundo: so ?
[10:01] <BUGabundo> the IP would obviouslly change
[10:02]  * BUGabundo checks local logs times
[10:02] <elky> oh, so the story changes now? how ever so convenient that is.
[10:03]  * Myrtti considers whistling a timeout
[10:03] <BUGabundo> last line of log:
[10:03] <BUGabundo>  (01:31:27 AM) mjc1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>entered the room.
[10:03] <elky> that lacks alot of context. i do not know what timezone that log is in, nor the date it occurred on
[10:04] <BUGabundo> then on Saturday morning was redirected here
[10:04] <BUGabundo>  (11:01:21 AM) bazhang: BUGabundo, how may we help you
[10:04] <BUGabundo> GMT
[10:04] <BUGabundo> Mon Mar 23 10:04:17 WET 2009
[10:04] <BUGabundo> current time on my system
[10:04] <BUGabundo> Mon Mar 23 10:04:32 UTC 2009
[10:04] <BUGabundo> same as UTC
[10:04] <ikonia> elky: 23:59
[10:04] <ikonia> thats the last entry on the day of the ban
[10:05] <ikonia> just checking the next day
[10:06] <ikonia> 01:17 on Satuday morning GMT
[10:06] <ikonia> was when BUGabundo left
[10:06] <BUGabundo> ikonia: according to my logs, it was a bit after that
[10:06] <BUGabundo> 1:31
[10:06] <ikonia> ok -
[10:06] <BUGabundo> but ok
[10:07] <ikonia> so there we go about 8 hours then
[10:08] <elky> ikonia, now, we calculate how many hours ago that was.
[10:08] <ikonia> I'm not doing more maths
[10:08] <BUGabundo> brb. ping me when something new comes out of this.
[10:08] <BUGabundo> thanks
[10:08] <ikonia> BUGabundo: lets summarises then
[10:09] <ikonia> BUGabundo: the ban won't be lifted at this time if you could stay out for a another few days and come back to discuss it then that would be most appreciated
[10:09] <BUGabundo> how long is "few days"?
[10:09] <BUGabundo> I already stayed the requested weekend
[10:09] <ikonia> a few days is a few days - come back in 2
[10:10] <BUGabundo> there is no guarantee that after said few days
[10:10] <ikonia> we'll chat about it then
[10:10] <ikonia> there is no guarantee correct
[10:10] <BUGabundo> we won't have this discussion again
[10:10] <ikonia> ok
[10:10] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:10] <BUGabundo> see you in 48 hours
[10:10] <ikonia> ok
[10:10] <BUGabundo> thank you all for your time
[10:10]  * BUGabundo sets autologin for +1 OFF
[10:10] <BUGabundo> done
[10:11] <ikonia> there is a part fault on my part on that that I did an IP ban rather than host, but as his host normally doesn't change and his nick sometimes does, it seemed the right thing
[10:13] <elky> there is no fault on your behalf. he knows full well what he did
[10:13] <elky> when he failed to convince us that his host didn't change, he then decided to lie about swapping computers around in an attempt to make it seem innocent.
[10:16] <gnomefreak> he changes back and forth between PCs due to testing network-manager he is always talking about it in #ubuntu-mozillateam since asac is the maintainer(no im not making excusses for him, i agree with the ban for most part) he uses asac's PPA for n-m and right at this time the rc build is borked(that much i do know becuase there are 4 people testing it and all have smae problem with wifi and general connects
[10:16] <gnomefreak> damn too long
[10:17] <ikonia> gnomefreak: what do you suggest ?
[10:17] <ikonia> gnomefreak: his IP has never changed in over a week of this testing
[10:17] <ikonia> (I checked the log after the ban)
[10:17] <ikonia> then it changes straight after the ban
[10:17] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I'm %100 open to suggestions
[10:18] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i didnt think about that, since i didnt see most of what he has done, either im not here or i too caught up in SM and sunbird bugs
[10:18] <ikonia> gnomefreak: what he does is minor, it's not a big deal, thats the real problem, its the fact that when he gets busted it turns into a pain and argues it pedantically
[10:18] <gnomefreak> right now asac and him are talking about the way the words come out
[10:19] <ikonia> he knows english well enough to make childish arguments
[10:19] <ikonia> "you said keep out for the weekend, I didn't come in on the weekend, just Friday"
[10:19] <ikonia> thats the problem, he constantly takes the argumentative standpoint
[10:19]  * gnomefreak doesnt care if he is in +1 since i deal with him in #ubuntu-mozillateam, however on his behalf he does help alot in there
[10:19] <ikonia> on pathetic arguments
[10:20] <ikonia> I don't doubt his contributions, that's why it's frustrating
[10:20] <ikonia> but thats also his argument
[10:20] <ikonia> "I help so you can't ban me"
[10:20] <ikonia> "do you know how much I do" etc etc
[10:20] <ikonia> his contibutions are solid, no debate
[10:20] <Myrtti> ehhehhehhehe
[10:20] <gnomefreak> give me a sec i want to see where the topic has gone to
[10:21] <Myrtti> I find the combination of his being vocal ubuntu evangelist and his attitude destructive more than anything
[10:21] <Myrtti> s/$/else/
[10:22] <Myrtti> if he would have been my first contact to Ubuntu... *hrrhrhrhrhrhhrhr*
[10:22] <ikonia> gnomefreak: FYI: - I'm happy to remove the ban, I just want him to be straight
[10:22] <gnomefreak> asac > BUGabundo: one rule: before hitting enter: think again
[10:22] <gnomefreak> we were talking about it but he left keyboard maybe disconnected i didnt see the part after bye
[10:23] <ikonia> and he lies
[10:23] <ikonia> thats frustrating also
[10:23] <ikonia> instead of just being up front
[10:23] <ikonia> he posted a link (again he's been asked to stop advertising his groups"
[10:23] <gnomefreak> give him 24 hours longer, if he does join +1 keep an eye out for the above behavour if its good lift ban?
[10:23] <ikonia> it said something like "our group http://blah.com is doing some testing"
[10:23] <ikonia> he wont join +1 now it's a nick ban
[10:24] <bazhang> I'll repeat , as my questions seem to have been overlooked or missed:
[10:24] <bazhang> is the stalking situation in -women sorted yet?
[10:24] <bazhang> also, is ban evasion now okay?
[10:25]  * gnomefreak rethinks. for the most part outside of devel-discuss list adn #ubuntu-mozillateam other than that i look at +1 when i see him talk. so im not able to give suggestions
[10:25] <gnomefreak> bazhang: no
[10:25] <Myrtti> bazhang: it's still pending...
[10:25] <Myrtti> don't know what to think about the current situation
[10:26] <ikonia> gnomefreak: evern after being told to stop trying to join and come back on Monday he tried to join +1 two more times and got forrwarded to -ops
[10:26] <ikonia> gnomefreak: there is no argument for that - bazhang told him on Saturday to stop trying to join, and he tried two more times throughout the day
[10:26] <bazhang> http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20081207.html.gz  [groovyOrange] (n=Username@<IP_ADDRESS>): Real name
[10:26] <Myrtti> apparently some google search results return Ubuntu women as the first result to http://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20successfully%20troll%20a%20channel%20on%20irc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t
[10:26] <gnomefreak> when he comes back i would like to discuss this further with him on his attitude as well as the ban, (why and what can be done on his behalf
[10:27] <ikonia> gnomefreak: sure
[10:27] <ikonia> bazhang: what channel is that in ?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: women are more important than guys :)
[10:27] <bazhang> as the above shows, groovyorange is clearly sport1, sp0rtily, etc
[10:27] <ikonia> can we remove grooveyorange - it's just one thing after another thing
[10:27] <bazhang> ikonia, groovyorange is in -ot, long time ban evader/stalker
[10:28] <ikonia> yes, so he needs removing
[10:28] <ikonia> or reporting to freenode for persistant ben evasion
[10:28] <ikonia> what ever
[10:29] <bazhang> it has been posted here and @mark'd; whatever you (with access) choose to do
[10:29] <bazhang> it seems that ban evasion is always wrong, especially when combined with the horrible stalking he has done.
[10:29] <Myrtti> happiness is warm fuzzy slippers in the morning
[10:40] <elky> what happened to being able to vote down google results, too?
[10:41] <elky> ah, i'm not signed in, that's why
[10:50] <elky> bazhang, grossgrape is in -ot. is this a known bug?
[10:51] <bazhang> elky, he is a ban evader, as mc44 was able to uncover, same guy who drove Lynoure out of the channel and a really creepy character.
[10:51] <elky> bazhang, grossgrape is not hynix
[10:52] <elky> hynix is who drove lynoure away iirc
[10:53] <Myrtti> no
[10:53] <Myrtti> sportily is
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ikonia: how about make ban for 24 hours and unban him as a trial run?
[10:59] <elky> bazhang, i actually cannot find grossgrape's ban in -ot
[11:02] <bazhang> elky, in the btracker under sp0rtily
[11:02] <elky> eternaljoy is actually banned still
[11:02] <elky> bazhang, i am looking at the Actual Ban List
[11:02] <elky> bazhang, what host/ip am i looking for?
[11:05] <Myrtti> netsplits...
[11:06] <bazhang> elky, there are three I can see: <IP_ADDRESS> , <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:06] <bazhang> and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(not to be confused with asustek)
[11:07] <elky> there's also a <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:07] <bazhang> aha
[11:08] <bazhang> I was looking at btracker for most of the time.
[11:08] <elky> i think it's time to re-ban and clear out those ones
[11:08] <elky> which we cant do until he shows up next time
[11:08] <elky> since he'll have a different IP then
[11:09] <bazhang> is maco joining here since the situation in -women is still unresolved?
[11:10] <bazhang> sykopomp admitted to trolling, then immediately backtracked on it, blaming all on one individual (bruenig)
[11:10] <elky> it's not going to be resolved whilever we dont actually have a reason to boot the twit
[11:10] <bazhang> :/
[11:10] <elky> i did not see that. i got told to leave him.
[11:10] <elky> it's now too late to backflip
[11:10] <bazhang> so he is basically holding that channel hostage
[11:14] <elky> bazhang, welcome to what it's like to be a woman in these places. i'm currently out of favour with people in my lug because a 15yrold kid objected to explicit /me's, the president supported the objection, and after they were both growled at, i responded in detailed support of their objections. of course, *I* am the evil one there.
[11:15] <elky> i'm the one who gets 'oh, look, it's the self-appointed irc police' ragequits because of it.
[11:15] <bazhang> the victimizer becomes the victim. wth.
[11:17] <elky> yep
[11:19] <elky> oh, and get this, apparantly saying 'good girl' is more offensive than the precursory /action of patting a female chatter's 'fanny' (remembering that it means front *or* back depending on where you are)
[11:19] <bazhang> ugh
[11:21] <elky> yeah. this is an org i'm volunteering to be secretary of
[11:22] <bazhang> that is insane
[11:22] <elky> yeah. i mean.. how dare i
[11:27] <pleia2> elky: fwiw, I added maco to the ops list in -women, but she keeps dropping off so I'm not sure she got my /msg telling her (and I'm still travelling so I'm not going to be around much)
[11:28] <elky> pleia2, there's a few others that might be worth it too
[11:28] <pleia2> added hypa7ia the other day
[11:29] <elky> good, that's who i was thinking
[11:30] <elky> nightrose too maybe? even gareth? see if they want
[11:30] <pleia2> nightrose is on it
[11:30] <elky> pleia2, jono too if he wants
[11:30] <elky> pleia2, she just sits and flails then, heh
[11:31] <pleia2> heh
[11:31] <elky> might be worth a reminder email of who the ops are, and what to do if poo hits the fan
[11:32] <pleia2> added gareth and nikkiana
[11:32] <pleia2> yeah
[11:32] <bazhang> that channel is loaded for bear
[11:33]  * pleia2 gets dragged back to working
[11:47] <jussi01> how the heck do I decrypt a .pgp file? </grumble>
[11:59]  * Myrtti grumbles as well
[12:00] <elky> Myrtti, check my twitter/jaiku/identica/facebook update
[12:02] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135979/
[12:03] <elky> so we know who to blame?
[12:03] <ikonia> you
[12:03] <ikonia> obviously
[12:04] <Myrtti> yeah, floodbots
[12:05] <ikonia> Myrtti: did you enjoy the UK ?
[12:06] <Myrtti> ikonia: I am enjoying it very much
[12:06] <ikonia> you're still here ?
[12:06] <Myrtti> though we're planning a trip to Dublin for the weekend
[12:06] <Myrtti> yup
[12:06] <ikonia> ooh nice
[12:06] <Myrtti> still haven't bought a ticket back
[12:06] <ikonia> thought you where back this week
[12:06]  * ikonia calls imigration
[12:06] <ikonia> elky: +o -ot
[12:07] <Myrtti> ikonia: I'll prolly fly back in May, taking D with me
[12:07] <ikonia> wow, are you really staying that long ?
[12:07] <Myrtti> probably, not sure though
[12:08] <Myrtti> I unpacked my bags yesterday :-)
[12:08] <Myrtti> "yay, you're not a guest anymore"
[12:08] <ikonia> I think I've cracked bullgard4's disguise in +1 bullgard5
[12:08] <ikonia> Myrtti: wow
[12:08] <ikonia> Myrtti: so you're here for a while, very nice
[13:02] <bazhang> loveisall<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new iteration of grow-as-nutcase
[13:02] <bazhang> left a foul message and quit
[13:03] <ikonia> can we ban serverloft.com ?
[13:03] <ikonia> the only people I've seen on it are trolls
[13:03] <ikonia> and there are bans on other known shell hosts in BT
[13:03] <Myrtti> some of us have banned whole hosts before
[13:03] <ikonia> exactly
[13:04] <Myrtti> like netcollect.org etc
[13:04] <bazhang> I banned most of canada once
[13:04] <Myrtti> /mode +b *.pl
[13:04] <ikonia> there is only one other guy on the whole of freenode using serverloft
[13:04] <bazhang> was a mistake though
[13:04] <ikonia> due to groovy-$fruit and a few others I'd suggest banning it
[13:06] <jussi01> I dont see why not, we have silenceisdefeat banned...(or whatever it is, cant remember)
[13:07] <ikonia> jussi01: as this guy is a constant pain and as no others seem to juse it it seems sensible
[13:07] <bazhang> they join in -ot still
[13:07] <Myrtti> jussi01: silenceisdefeat provides free shell accounts, so it's practically an open proxy
[13:07]  * jussi01 is too tired/stressed to actually think properly about it now
[13:08] <ikonia> jussi01: have a beer, feet up and enjoy your good win
[13:08] <ikonia> jussi01: whill it out
[13:08] <ikonia> chill
[13:08] <jussi01> ikonia: no no no... too much work to do for launch next week
[13:09] <jussi01> and will someone please tell me how to get more fonts! *grumble*
[13:09] <jussi01> ive got msttcorefonts
[13:09] <ikonia> put them in the font dir - fc-cache
[13:09] <ikonia> that simple
[13:11] <bazhang> http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/465-free-fonts-for-ubuntu/
[13:11] <Myrtti> jussi01: apt-cache search ttf|grep ^ttf
[13:11] <Myrtti> hth, hand
[13:12] <jussi01> hrm... I wonder why we dont have a nice meta package for fonts :/
[13:12] <maco> ikonia, elky: about #u-w, when i came in here, they were being obnoxious. after amaranth joined and jono, and i wast alone trying to defend the channel, they quieted down. i still disagree with jono's idea that #u-w is over-sensitive if we find being arses a reason to kick someone out
[13:13] <ikonia> maco: I've no idea what happened, I wasn't there, but I'm aware that one of the people is a serial issue in multiple #ubuntu channels
[13:14] <jussi01> bazhang: that doesnt apply for intrepid :/
[13:15] <elky> maco, i dont think he realises that it's not being over-sensitive, it's about preserving the safeness of the channel
[13:15] <Myrtti> I wish there was atleast one channel where I could be safe from idiots
[13:15] <bazhang> jussi01, the ppa? as the link says you can browse the site and install the ones you want, there are links on the ubuntu wiki for fonts as well
[13:15] <maco> ;)
[13:15] <Myrtti> I seem to be the idiot stalker magnet
[13:16] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts
[13:16] <maco> jussi01: i can think of 3 packages that collectively get you > 300 fonts
[13:16] <jussi01> maco: names please?
[13:16] <maco> and of course i dont have them installed right now...
[13:17] <Myrtti> ttf-larabie ?
[13:17] <maco> ttf-larabie-deco ttf-larabie-straight ttf-larabie-uncommon
[13:17] <maco> yeah those
[13:17] <jussi01> thanks!
[13:18] <bazhang> wth
[13:18] <bazhang> just banned cristi_ yesterday
[13:18] <bazhang> she is back to spamming again
[13:22] <maco> ew...im gonna part now so my morbid curiosity doesnt send me to see why the bot's calling y'all now
[13:38] <jussi01> mrgh
[13:39] <jussi01> I need the "minion pro" font. anyone know how to get it?
[13:39]  * jussi01 is having a frustrating day
[13:39]  * Myrtti has to file three weeks worth of hours, makes a silent suicide over the intranet
[13:43] <jussi01> right
[13:43] <jussi01> who did that.
[13:43] <jussi01> ?
[13:43] <jussi01> !-amaranth
[13:44] <jussi01> !no, amaranth is <reply> stabitty-stab
[13:44] <Amaranth> !forget amaranth
[13:44]  * Amaranth stabs jussi01
[13:44] <jussi01> hehe
[13:45]  * jussi01 hugs Amaranth
[13:45] <bazhang> :/
[13:48] <jussi01> LjL: that wasnt real funny IMHO. please dont do it again.
[13:49] <jussi01> !-ops-#ubuntu-offtopic
[13:49] <jussi01> heh
[14:06] <mneptok> sometimes i miss -offtopic.
[14:06] <mneptok> then the drugs start working.
[14:18] <elky> mneptok, you might get amusement from my latest blog post.
[14:18]  * elky goes to bed
[14:46] <mneptok> elky: please queue for the breathalyzer before using the toilet.
[16:46] <ikonia> !ikanobori is <reply> you should get a more unique nick
[16:46] <ikonia> ;)
[17:07] <Myrtti> ARGH
[17:07] <Myrtti> /o\
[17:08]  * Myrtti just sent a patch for the "source" Perl code to the customer when she was asked to send the patched "binary"
[17:08] <Myrtti> le sigh
[17:09] <Tm_T> hehe
[17:10] <Myrtti> I iz not happee
[17:21] <Tm_T> just got Ronja sleeping <3
[17:22] <Tm_T> now I need to find a way to sync with Exchange server properly...
[17:29] <LjL> ikonia: eh, it's unique enough, it's just that we're all used to typing "iko"... :)
[17:29] <Tm_T> LjL: you mean "ik" ?
[17:32] <LjL> Tm_T: no i think i actually type "iko"TAB (although as it's the case with this things, if i concentrate on it i cannot quite be sure i'm doing it as i usually would)
[17:33] <LjL> Tm_T: it's like when i try to type "numero" (number) in italian - i often end up typing "numbero"
[17:33] <Tm_T> aye
[17:46] <LjL> ah so it wasn't just me getting the impression that cristi_'s been trolling in the past couple of days
[23:01] <Seeker`> what is the syntax for a channel specific factoid?
[23:02] <Pricey> .!factoid-
[23:02] <Pricey> #channel
[23:02] <Pricey> bah
[23:02] <Pricey> You get what I mean.
[23:02] <Seeker`> .!factoid-#ubuntu-cym for example?
[23:02] <Pricey> yep, without the . of course
[23:03] <Seeker`> !test-#ubuntu-cym is test
[23:03] <Seeker`> ubottu: forget !test-#ubuntu-cym
[23:04] <Seeker`> how do you make it forget channel specific factoids
[23:04] <Seeker`> ubottu: forget test-#ubuntu-cym


[00:23] <ScottK> NCommander: Please see the packagekit armel FTBFS: /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:352: error: cast from 'QList<QVariant>::Node*' to 'QVariant*' increases required alignment of target type
[00:23] <ScottK> Your favorite stuff again.
[00:23]  * NCommander runs
[00:24] <ScottK> Excellent.  Spotted.
[00:24] <ScottK> NCommander: Let me know when you need that sponsored.
[00:24] <NCommander> ScottK, I assume you mean kpackagekit vs packagekit
[00:25] <ScottK> NCommander: No.  I mean packagekit.
[00:25] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22415226/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.packagekit_0.3.14-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:25] <NCommander> oh
[00:25] <NCommander> ew
[00:25] <ScottK> Yeah.
[00:37] <quassel208> hi guys what happend with xserver ? i cant select 1400 x 900 anymore
[00:39] <quassel208> it looks kind of familiar
[00:40] <quassel208> of the problem i had when i bought my tft screen and runned 7.10 or 7.04
[00:44] <ScottK> quassel208: You might ask in #ubuntu-x
[01:26] <ScottK> txwikinger: ichthuxh-default-settings uploaded.  The ichthux-meta diff did not apply, please check that one and attach a new debdiff.
[01:27] <txwikinger> ScottK: Ok.. I will check it out
[01:50] <seele> wow, maco is a hard core convert
[01:50] <seele> thinking about learning qt and everything
[02:15] <ScottK> vorian: So what's your plan for kio-ftps?
[02:17] <vorian> there were licensing issues that I never heard back from upstream about
[02:18] <vorian> ScottK: although it is in sid
[02:18]  * vorian looks
[02:18] <ScottK> Somehow it's in Jaunty with your name on it FTBFS on all archs.
[02:18] <vorian> eh?
[02:19] <ScottK> Yep.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-ftps
[02:21] <vorian> that is very very strange
[02:21] <vorian> kio-ftps (0.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
[02:21] <vorian>   * Initial release (Closes: #501342)
[02:21] <vorian>  -- Laurent Léonard<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:18:39 +0200
[02:21] <ScottK> You're name is there due to getting tagged with the sync request.
[02:21] <vorian> ah
[02:21] <ScottK> Just one more way Launchpad is insane.
[02:21] <vorian> duh
[02:22] <vorian> i'll go on and fix it
[02:23] <vorian> seele: your new shiny cloak works best when you are identified
[02:24] <txwikinger> something is wrong with the balancing of the repos
[02:24] <txwikinger> The whole day already I only connect 50%  of the time
[02:25] <ScottK> You aren't the only one to report it.
[02:33] <seele> vorian: i should be identified
[02:33] <seele> ah, there we go
[02:33] <seele> i guess i had to reidentify since getting the cloak
[02:34]  * nhandler admires seele's kde cloak
[02:34] <vorian> excellent :)
[02:34] <seele> only took 5 years to get one lol
[02:35] <vorian> only took me 2 seconds to do
[02:35] <vorian> maybe 3
[02:35] <vorian> :P
[02:35] <ScottK> Grumble.
[02:35] <seele> hehe
[02:35] <ScottK> This is the database that will be holding my email: http://www.davidpashley.com/blog/2009/02/15#silently-truncated
[02:36] <seele> vorian: thanks :)
[02:36] <vorian> seele: thank njaard - I am only a drone
[02:51] <txwikinger> ScottK: uplaoded a better debdiff.. sorry for that..
[03:02] <vorian> bug 220004
[03:03] <vorian> ScottK: ^ lookie
[03:03] <vorian> it won't build on 4.2
[03:11] <vorian> ScottK: I emailed upstream about compatability with 4.2, but they have not been active in a year
[03:11] <vorian> I may need to ask for it to be removed
[03:16] <nhandler> One of the packages I'm working on FTBFS with "CMake Error: The source directory "/build/buildd/posterazor-1.9.5/src" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.". I remember seeing some patches in the plasma-widgets that mentioned CMakeLists.txt. What exactly do they do?
[03:19] <vorian> nhandler: those were plasma fixes
[03:27] <rgreening> shtylman: I haven't had time ot look at the installer at all (partitioner). If you want to try and tackle it, go ahead. I have to get the packagekit changes done.
[03:27] <rgreening> jussi01: cool. glad it works now
[04:20] <ScottK> vorian: You might check and see if it builds against Debian Experimental and if it doesn't file a bug there.
[04:20] <ScottK> The Debian maintainer might port it.
[04:22] <ScottK> NCommander: I've got an ICE for you too.  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22638414/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-powerpc.kde-style-skulpture_0.2.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:22] <NCommander> ugh ....
[04:31] <ScottK> Aren't I full of fun tonight.
[04:31] <ScottK> txwikinger: What was the bug number again for that (I closed the window)?
[04:32] <txwikinger> ScottK: Bug #320915
[04:36] <ScottK> txwikinger: Thanks.
[04:56] <ScottK> txwikinger: Please don't have multiple revisions in the same upload with some unreleased, combine them into a single revision.  I just did that here and I did it on the last one too.
[05:02] <txwikinger> ScottK ok
[05:03] <ScottK> txwikinger: Uploaded.  Thanks for taking care of it.
[05:03] <txwikinger> Thanks ScottK
[05:40] <ScottK> NCommander: I got another porting issue, but I think I got a solution.  Can I run it by you?
[05:40] <NCommander> ScottK, sure
[05:41]  * NCommander is not feeling so well, so I probably won't have those issues resolved tonight
[05:41] <ScottK> No problem.
[05:41] <ScottK> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22638110/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.akonadi_1.1.1-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is the failure log.
[05:42] <NCommander> What's your fix?
[05:42] <ScottK> NCommander: Reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485434 - I think the solution is to extend debian/patches/sp_counted_base.patch in boost1.35 to also apply to sparc.
[05:43] <ScottK> We just recently switched a bunch of stuff from boost (1.34) to boost1.35, so it's not suprise this just comes up now.
[05:44] <NCommander> Sounds right. I can probably test build a package for you (I have access to a few SPARC boxes now)
[05:46] <ScottK> NCommander: If you could rebuild boost with that change and then build akonadi against it, that would be grand.
[05:46] <NCommander> I'll put it on my todo list, but this is a bad week (six days to feature freeze)
[05:47] <NCommander> If you can make source packages for me, it would be greatly helpful.
[05:48] <ScottK> NCommander: I can toss a boost package in my PPA.  Akonadi would be the one from the archive.
[05:49] <NCommander> Perfect, the SPARC box I use should still have its chroots setup, so once that's done, we'll be in business
[05:54] <ScottK> NCommander: How do I specify sparc in there?  I see ( defined( __sparcv8 ) || defined( __sparcv9 ) ) elsewhere in the file.
[05:54] <ScottK> Is that what I want?
[05:54] <NCommander> bah
[05:54] <NCommander> Let me think
[05:57] <NCommander> A quick googling says so (I can't find a general sparc CPP flag so ...)
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.  We'll try that.
[05:58] <ScottK> Thanks
[06:06] <ScottK> If this works, it goes in the "With Google, anyone can look like a genius" catagory.
[06:09] <NCommander> Google: Making people seem smarter than they actually are since 1995
[06:14] <ScottK> I uploaded to my ppa.  Waiting to see if it esplodes there or not.
[06:26] <nellery> with the new naming scheme for plasmoids, should binary packages also be plasma-widget-*?
[06:30] <ScottK> Yes.  Particularly the binary packages as that's what users look for to install.
[06:30] <ScottK> NCommander: If you get bored kdebindings failed on ia64.
[06:31] <nellery> ScottK: so am I right in saying that http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jaunty/plasma-widget-tvprogramme was incorrectly renamed?
[06:31] <ScottK> Looking
[06:32] <ScottK> nellery: What's wrong with it (it's late here and I'm tired)
[06:32] <nellery> ScottK: The source package is called plasma-widget-tvprogramme and the binary package is plasmoid-tvprogramme
[06:33] <ScottK> nellery: You are correct.  It needs to be changed.
[06:34] <nellery> ScottK: Thanks.  Is it worth checking the rest to be sure there were no others?
[06:34] <ScottK> nellery: If you're up for doing another one, kepas has a plasmoid package in it that needs changing too.
[06:34] <nellery> ScottK: I'll change that too
[06:36] <ScottK> nellery: http://paste.ubuntu.com/118323/ is the list that need checking.  Some of those may just be transitional packages.
[06:37] <nellery> ScottK: Thanks, I'll check them all
[06:37] <ScottK> nellery: : Thanks.
[06:52] <ScottK> NCommander: boost1.35 built in my ppa.  over to you ...  https://launchpad.net/%7Ekitterman/+archive/ppa/+files/boost1.35_1.35.0-8ubuntu3~ppa1.dsc
[07:29] <nellery> ScottK: bug 329627 has debdiffs fixing three which still need to be changed, if you feel like sponsoring
[09:11] <jussi01> ANyone know which ppa the koffice2 beta packages are in?
[09:21] <jussi01> or are they the -kde4 packages included in jaunty?
[09:36] <alleeJaunty> jussi01: -kde4 is droped in jaunty.   The koffice pkgs are the 2.0 beta in jaunty
[09:37] <jussi01> alleeJaunty: really?
[09:37] <jussi01> !info koffice-kde4 jaunty
[09:38] <alleeJaunty> jussi01: sorry right, it still has -kde4 postfix
[10:22] <a|wen> and lenny is released! :)
[10:59] <a|wen> ScottK: did we get a "congratulations debian" ready for kubuntu.org ?
[12:57] <Riddell> a|wen: has Debian released?
[13:02] <Riddell> why so it has
[13:07] <seaLne> Riddell: the posters last weekend were a bit of a give away...
[13:39] <ScottK> a|wen: I didn't and don't have time for at least several hours.  I think it would be really great if someone would do this.
[13:51] <Lure> can somebody explain why we use kde4.mk in cdbs which is not used in debian?
[13:51] <Lure> this makes merging/syncing a pain...
[13:56] <ScottK> Lure: They use kde4.mk too, just put it in a different place.  Now that KDE4 is going into unstable, we need to get some agreement on how we deal with that and probably some other KDE4 packaging issues.
[13:57] <Lure> ScottK: they use pkg-kde-tools
[13:57] <ScottK> When we put ours in CDBS, they didn't.
[13:58] <Lure> ScottK: they do no like extending cdbs (as they do not own it), but rather use own package to shipping their rules
[13:59] <Lure> ScottK: I think it may be related to how debian has ownership over packages (and ubuntu does not)
[13:59] <ScottK> Yes.  I agree.
[13:59] <Lure> ScottK: they have it in /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[13:59] <Lure> ScottK: but it is more basic than our kde4.mk
[14:00] <Lure> ScottK: and it may not be bad (as I for example have assumption that patches dir means quilt)
[14:00] <ScottK> As long as we get to a common path to it, we have have different content.
[14:00] <ScottK> have have/can have
[14:01] <Lure> ScottK: sure, but we should not get different just to be different (or build in hidden assumptions that do not work on debian)
[14:01] <Lure> ScottK: auto-selection of patchsys is already that (debian leave it to packager)
[14:01] <ScottK> True.  It would also be useful to look into the differences and see which ones make sense.
[14:01] <ScottK> IIRC the quilt thing we got from them.
[14:02] <ScottK> NCommander: Interestingly packagekit fails on ia64 too: /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qmap.h:140: error: cast from 'char*' to 'QMap<int, QtConcurrent::ResultItem>::Node*' increases required alignment of target type
[14:02] <ScottK> That's the first one of those I've seen !armel.
[14:07] <a|wen> ScottK: what do we want to have in the debian announcement; i could start writing a proposal if it is
[14:07] <ScottK> I was just thinking a short "Congratulations to Debian on releasing Lenny with a link to their release announcement and a small Debian swirl.
[14:09]  * a|wen starts looking into some fitting words
[14:13] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks.  Little stuff like this can be important.
[14:14] <lool> Riddell, ScottK: I wasn't every able to reproduce the crashes with xine in intrepid
[14:14] <a|wen> ScottK: exactly :)
[14:14] <ScottK> lool: How would you feel about marking that in the bug and suggesting it be copied over?
[14:14] <lool> Riddell, ScottK: I can only rely on other submitters to confirm the update fixes the bug for them; I think only the xine-lib fixes were confirmed as fixing the issue, not the langpack changes alone
[14:15] <lool> ScottK: I suggested that to the TB when I saw other xine crashes flowing in; I thought I had mentionned that I didn't reproduce in an intrepid KVM, but will check
[14:16] <ScottK> lool: Thanks.  I'm a little nervous KDE 4.1.4 got copied to intrepid-updates without that one.
[14:18] <a|wen> lool: did you downgrade both the xine packages as well as the language-packs?
[14:18] <a|wen> lool: it seems that part of the problem should be fixed in the lang-packs; so you might only be able to reproduce with the original lang-packs?
[14:20] <lool> ScottK: I updated the bug with all I know
[14:20] <lool> Riddell: ^
[14:21] <ScottK> lool: Thanks.
[14:21] <lool> a|wen: Yes; I prepared both updates and couldn't ever reproduce the crashers
[14:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm not sure what the best way to proceed on this is, but I feel we need to get this copied sooner rather than later.
[14:22] <a|wen> lool: did you try reproducing it now?
[14:23] <ScottK> If anyone is looking for some 'fun', this is currently blocking progress on building KDE on ia64: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22641086/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.kdebindings_4%3A4.2.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:25] <vorian> oi
[14:25] <vorian> ScottK: I got a fix on kio-ftps - doing final testing before I upload
[14:25] <ScottK> vorian: Kewl.
[14:25] <vorian> yay!
[14:25] <ScottK> It's handy when it FTBFS on a arch you have.
[14:30] <lool> a|wen: No
[14:31] <a|wen> oh, okay
[14:31] <lool> a|wen: I tried reproducing from a clean intrepid vm with -updates and -security alone installed, couldn't reproduce the issue, both with -it and -de locales and langpacks and running xine-list in debug mode in these locales
[14:31] <lool> That was after preparing the updated langpacks in my ppa
[14:32] <a|wen> lool: do you still have an install you can test on by using the old lang-packs?
[14:32] <a|wen> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/118457/ ... do we also want a "what is debian" part?
[14:34] <vorian> WOOT!
[14:34] <vorian> ScottK: kio-ftps fixed
[14:35]  * vorian leaves for a few hours
[14:41] <ScottK> a|wen: Perhaps a link to their what is Debian tied in with your comment about us benifiting from Debian's work.
[14:41]  * ScottK needs to head out, so I'd say go for it.
[14:42] <a|wen> ScottK: this page http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/debian ?
[14:42] <a|wen> that's the best i could find about is
[14:46] <a|wen> Riddell: who is our master of the website, ryanakca ? ... and does http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/118465/ look okay? (got a go from ScottK for the previous version)
[14:50] <jpds> a|wen: Ryan is webmaster, yes.
[14:51] <jpds> ...or at least, the email points at him.
[14:52] <a|wen> jpds: then i wasn't completely wrong ... now we just need him to appear :)
[14:52] <jussi01> Can anyone point me to books/online resources on business viability of open source? ie. business models, how to market, etc?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, the debian ktorrent package has a plasma-applet-ktorrent package
[15:54]  * JontheEchidna is merging
[15:54]  * JontheEchidna will change it to -applet
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> *-widget
[16:46] <txwikinger> Can you run KDE4.2 with 256MB RAM ?
[16:49] <quassel208> may i ask here how i can start learning to program? I understanded that programming is like a language
[16:50] <txwikinger> quassel208: Well there are different ways
[16:51] <quassel208> I am looking for a way that even I can understand it, I mean i only have a IQ from 85
[16:51] <txwikinger> A lot of people buy a book and just start doing it
[16:51] <quassel208> But i wanna do it for kde or in Qt
[16:51] <quassel208> Or i though about the Iphone
[16:52] <txwikinger> Well.. for KDE you need either c++ or python
[16:52] <txwikinger> python is easier for the beginning
[16:52] <quassel208> wat a about that program called kdevelop ?
[16:53] <txwikinger> that is a IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
[16:53] <txwikinger> It allows you to do think on a GUI which you usually do at the commandline
[16:53] <txwikinger> s/think/things/
[16:54] <quassel208> Okay, but with Qt desinger you can make gui´s easy or not ?
[16:54] <txwikinger> Yes.. Qt designer can help you designing GUIs
[16:55] <txwikinger> Qt designer uses .ui files that describe the gui that than can be used by the program, or coverted into a program
[16:55] <txwikinger> However, that is only the GUI part
[16:56] <txwikinger> i.e. the event handling of user events (mouse clicking etc.)
[16:56] <quassel208> Can i port say Kopete or a other program to iphone ?
[16:56] <txwikinger> iphone is AFAIK not free software
[16:56] <quassel208> Cydia ?
[16:57] <quassel208> It uses apt
[16:57] <txwikinger> and qtopia?
[16:57] <txwikinger> I have no idea about the iphone.. i don't use closed systems
[16:58] <txwikinger> there are free alternatives for it
[16:58] <quassel208> My Iphone is not closed, some debian guy has made cydia
[16:59] <txwikinger> ah ok
[16:59] <quassel208> Mplayer has made it into cydia but doesnt work that easy on iphone
[17:00] <quassel208> But i think best would be for kde
[17:00] <txwikinger> Well qtopia is a phone devices qt patform
[17:00] <txwikinger> openmoko can run qtopia
[17:01] <quassel208> those devices look ugle, but i heard tmobile closed root file system on andriod
[17:05] <quassel208> i going look up to python
[17:06] <txwikinger> http://python.org has a good tutorial
[17:09] <quassel208> going look into it, but before i start should i think of what i wanna create ?
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ping
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if you get a chance, could you look at bug 296433 please?
[17:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Plasma applet can be right too.
[17:32] <a|wen> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/118465/
[17:33] <ScottK> a|wen: I think that's great.
[17:33]  * ScottK looks for ryanakca some more.
[17:33]  * a|wen has been looking for him for some time without luck ... do we have others with website rights?
[17:34] <ScottK> I think I have the password somewhere.  The big question is did I remember to rescue that file off my laptop when as the FS was dieing.
[17:35] <ScottK> It'll be several hours before I could look into it.
[17:36] <a|wen> oh, i see ... we'll see if someone doesn't come along in the meantime
[17:37] <a|wen> ScottK: keep an eye out for him though ... i'll be leaving from here shortly
[17:37] <ScottK> will do
[17:37] <a|wen> thx
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Hmm, ok. I guess I'll change it back then
[17:40] <ScottK> There's a draft policy document somewhere in Debian land we should be using.
[17:47] <ScottK> NCommander: I don't know if it affects your prioritization of my sparc boost fix, but OOo fails on the same problem, so I am starting to guess it'll affect a significant fraction of the boost rdepends on sparc.
[20:28] <ScottK> vorian: Congratulations on kio-ftps.
[20:28] <ScottK> You might want to send the patch to Debian.
[20:30] <vorian> ScottK: roger that
[20:32] <ScottK> vorian: BTW, it will FTBFS on hppa because kde4libs is just building now.  Once it fails it should build OK once kde4libs has had a chance to get published.
[20:32] <vorian> OK
[20:32] <vorian> did someone start looking at bindings?
[20:33] <ScottK> Not AFAIK.  The ia64 build failure could stand some looking at.
[20:33] <vorian> alrighty
[20:34] <ScottK> Currently powerpc is fully built, sparc is blocked on an akonadi/boost portability problem that NCommander is going to test my patch for (blocks pimlibs) and a kernel issue that affects some packages, ia64 is blocked on the bindings failure, and hppa is slowly making progess with no known issues.
[20:35] <ScottK> Once kde4libs is done, I'll try pimlibs, etc and see how far we get.
[20:35] <vorian> sounds like a plan
[20:43] <vorian> ScottK: when you have a moment, can you look at kdeedu in bug 329627?
[20:44] <vorian> thanks for all the work nellery :)
[20:44] <ScottK> Sure.  It'll be a bit though.
[20:50] <vorian> nellery: ping
[21:11] <txwikinger> I lost my mouse events
[21:11] <txwikinger> Is there a hotkey for logout?
[21:11] <vorian> scolling in konq is slow for me
[21:12] <txwikinger> or a command that does a safe logout
[21:13] <txwikinger> Ah.. I found my mouse events again :D
[21:50] <nellery> vorian: pong
[21:52] <vorian> nellery: where did you push your bespin changes to?
[21:53] <nellery> vorian: sorry, I worded that pretty badly in the comments
[21:53] <nellery> they were already committed
[21:53] <nellery> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu
[21:53] <nellery> that and kdeedu
[21:56] <vorian> nellery: your proposal is not there
[22:04] <nellery> vorian: what do you mean?
[22:05] <vorian> Recent revisions
[22:05] <vorian> 29. By  Guillaume Martres on 2009-02-10
[22:05] <vorian> plasmoid-xbar --> plasma-widget-xbar added dummy plasmoid-xbar for upgrades
[22:05] <vorian> 28. By  Guillaume Martres on 2009-02-10
[22:05] <vorian> fixed lintian warnings/infos
[22:05] <vorian> 27. By  Guillaume Martres on 2009-02-10
[22:05] <vorian> updated the manpage
[22:05] <vorian> 26. By  Guillaume Martres on 2009-02-10
[22:06] <ghostcube> wohoo alt + F2 is back again
[22:06] <ghostcube> :D
[22:20] <nellery> vorian: revision 29 fixes it for bespin, that's what I meant when I said committed in bzr
[22:21] <ryanakca> ScottK: *looks back*, back, sorry, was away skiing for a few days.
[22:21] <ScottK> ryanakca: No problem.  Please wrangle us up the congratulations Debian thing ...
[22:21] <ScottK> I think that's the most time sensitive.
[22:21] <nellery> vorian: woops, looks like I got that wrong.  loggerhead was down yesterday when I tried to look
[22:22] <ryanakca> ScottK: sure, the http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/118465/ ?
[22:22] <ScottK> ryanakca: Yes, and make sure to get the Debian swirl logo in there too....
[22:22] <ScottK> Feel free to edit it if you think it needs it.
[22:22] <nellery> but revision 29 keeps plasmoid-xbar, and creates plasma-widget-xbar and has plasmoid-xbar depending on it
[22:23] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nod*, will do. iirc, they had more than one swirl logo variant, doesn't matter which I suppose?
[22:23] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd look at what's on debian.org and use one like that.
[22:23] <ryanakca> ScottK: ok
[22:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:25] <ScottK> ryanakca: We should also probably have an update to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.4 that says it's been moved to intrepid-updates and is now recommended for all Intrepid users.
[22:30] <ryanakca> ScottK: published
[22:31] <ScottK> Kewl.
[22:31]  * ScottK looks
[22:31] <ghostcube> hey folks just for info this is cool for relaxing
[22:31] <ghostcube> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Neverball
[22:31] <ryanakca> ScottK: so, a small notice type blurb at the top of the page?
[22:31] <ghostcube> :D
[22:31] <ScottK> Yes
[22:31] <ScottK> ryanakca: Standard news thing.
[22:32] <ryanakca> ScottK: New story? Or notice type blurb at the top of /news/kde-4.1.4 ?
[22:32] <ScottK> New story.
[22:33] <ScottK> ghostcube: You know that the getdeb people freely admit they don't submit packages to Ubuntu because they have lower quality standards, right?
[22:33] <ghostcube> ScottK, sure
[22:33] <ghostcube> ScottK, but i have never had any probs so far
[22:34] <ScottK> OK.  Just saying.
[22:34] <nhandler> scottk: That is why I always laugh when I see people submit getdeb packages to REVU with no changes
[22:34] <ghostcube> ScottK, i never would blame any ubuntu guys for using getdeb.net
[22:34] <ghostcube> :D
[22:34] <ScottK> When I started with Kubuntu there was this thing called Automatix that pulled in a bunch of cool stuff.  Ubuntu devs ranted about it, but people thought it was great.  The problem was not that it broke stuff right away, but that it broke the next upgrade.
[22:35] <ghostcube> ScottK, automatix is bad ass
[22:35] <ScottK> So just because it appears to be working, doesn't mean it won't bite you eventually.
[22:35] <ghostcube> ScottK, i have tried several packages from getdeb.net never had any probs so far and i only use packages not available in ubuntu for any reason
[22:36] <ScottK> OK.
[22:36] <nhandler> scottk: Isn't there a new tool like automatix that came out a few months ago?
[22:36] <ScottK> ultimatix?
[22:36] <ScottK> It's by the same guy.
[22:36] <nhandler> Yeah, that might be it
[22:41] <Tscheesy_> ScottK: tried to build the Kubuntu-Arm Root-FS-from-Scratch.. the packets hit port.ubuntu Today ;) but i got : FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.28-6-versatile/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[22:42] <ghostcube> ScottK, i mostly use the audio and gaming tools and packages from getdeb.net
[22:42] <ghostcube> :D
[22:43] <ghostcube> and the QA has been improved afaik some packages havent been released for quality issues
[22:43] <ghostcube> but i dont really know all stuff there
[22:44] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: Weird.  That only appears to exist in the server kernels atm: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=modules.dep&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[22:45] <Tscheesy_> is there a chance for a uBoot Image for Arm btw?
[22:46] <ScottK> Dunno.
[22:46] <ScottK> I'm trying to figure out where the best place to ask is.
[22:47] <Tscheesy_> there are some Device-Specific uBoot Images on Debian..
[22:50] <ScottK> Tscheesy_: #ubuntu-arm is where best to discuss this.
[22:50] <Tscheesy_> k.. thanks
[23:24] <ryanakca> ScottK: do you have the sources.list lines for intrepid-updates, or should I assume they already have it enabled?
[23:25] <ScottK> ryanakca: It's enabled by default, so I'd assume it's already enabled.
[23:26] <ryanakca> ScottK: please check
[23:27] <ScottK> ryanakca: Check what?
[23:27] <ryanakca> ScottK: http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[23:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: Looks good to me.
[23:30] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.


[12:11] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: Hi, I found the root cause why ldconfig doesn't take the virtualbox libraries into consideration. They are found after the "official" GL libraries. Here's the patch: http://paste.debian.net/1020547/
[12:12] <Whoopie> But be careful, don't fix this bug before you have a solution for the glFramebufferTexture2D -> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/17623
[12:17] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: I guess, this must also be fixed in the mesa GL packages.
[12:27] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: are you looking into the apport autopkgtest failure?
[13:13] <LocutusOfBorg> Whoopie, who is adding that x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf file?
[13:42] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: virtualbox-guest-x11 in the postinst.
[13:43] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: look at the diff, it's all there. http://paste.debian.net/1020547
[13:49] <LocutusOfBorg> Whoopie, I need to understand why the file changed in path
[13:49] <LocutusOfBorg> because that change is not retro-compatible
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't apply random patches over the internet just because somebody points me at them without an appropriate rationale.
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg> rationale might be "mesa/nvidia folks changed filename because new glib requires the overrides to start with a number like "00_" so we had to follow the same reasoning and change them too
[13:51] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: totally agreed. I changed it to 00_ so that it's picked up as the first one.
[13:52] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: otherwise, /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf is picked up first and the libGL and libEGL points to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[13:53] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: and as I said, don't fix it before you fix the 3D issue.
[13:57] <willcooke> doko, hi, are you waiting on anything else for this one?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-report/+bug/1759540
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> Whoopie, this has been handled with update-alternatives approach, not with 10 different files in the same location, with different filename start bit
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> so, we have priorities for update-alternatives and this is the right approach
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> if mesa or whoever places that file changed the approach, yes I have to follow the change
[14:08] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: sorry, you don't understand it, there's a default file called x86_64-linux-gnu.conf which points ldconfig to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, and update-alternatives changes that link to somewhere else
[14:09] <Whoopie> as soon as ldconfig finds libs for GL and EGL, it throws away all other.
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> it doesn't add a new one
[14:09] <Whoopie> no
[14:09] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: update-alternatives changes x86_64-linux-gnu_GL.conf, not x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
[14:10] <LocutusOfBorg> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok
[14:10] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: and  x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> sure
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> got it now
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> so, who damnly put the libEGL into that path in first place?
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the rationale of having an override and not using it?
[14:18] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: I don't understand.
[14:19] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: I could find an update-alternatives removal in libegl-mesa0 and libglx-mesa0, not and adding.
[14:19] <Whoopie> not an adding
[14:21] <LocutusOfBorg> update-alternatives --query x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf
[14:21] <LocutusOfBorg> what does this return?
[14:21] <LocutusOfBorg> it should return the virtualbox version
[14:22] <LocutusOfBorg> if not, what is the point of providing a file named x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf when the first x86_64-linux-gnu.conf picks the stuff?
[14:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I would expect the various lib*GL* implementations to go in /usr/lib/<triplet>/something/ so they are not picked up automatically unless specified in that conf file
[14:23] <Whoopie> right
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> Whoopie, how do you reproduce all the issue? from the begin
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm installing a bionic vm
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> bionic amd64
[14:37] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: regarding the ldconfig issue, you can check e.g. "ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo" and see that libGL.so.1 does not point to /usr/lib/virtualbox/additions/libGL.so.1
[14:37] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: then copy /usr/lib/virtualbox/additions/00vboxvideo.conf to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/, run "sudo ldconfig" and check again. It shoud point to /usr/lib/virtualbox/additions/libGL.so.1
[14:38] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: then reboot (be aware that you won't get the gdm screen) and check /var/log/syslog regarding the undefined symbol  glFramebufferTexture2D
[14:40] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: or do you also mean the cheese/gstreamer issue?
[14:51] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: I will be yes
[15:00] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: cool, thanks!
[15:52] <LocutusOfBorg> Whoopie, I can reproduce now
[15:52] <LocutusOfBorg> so, everything works just because I can't really make my module load
[16:13] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: which module?
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg> my so libraries
[16:14] <Whoopie> right
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> Whoopie, even the official upstream binaries are not overriding GL anymore...
[18:03] <bdmurray> andyrock: Did you get a chance to test that plymouth in my ppa?
[18:08] <andyrock> bdmurray: fix confirmed
[18:08] <andyrock> let me comment on the bug too
[18:51] <bdmurray> andyrock: I seem to reclear you exprienced it at every boot, is that right?
[18:51] <bdmurray> s/reclear/recall/
[18:51] <andyrock> bdmurray: right
[18:54] <gpiccoli> Hi folks, I was trying to bootstrap an ISO image of ubuntu-server using qemu, in my server
[18:54] <gpiccoli> Struggled to pass console=ttyS0 for it, --location didn't work (was using virt-install)..ended-up giving up and using netboot
[18:54] <gpiccoli> Is there any reason to not have console=ttyS0 as default in grub.cfg of our amd64 server images?
[18:55] <sarnold> iirc on smartos the first serial port is used for hypervisor<->guest coordination
[19:01] <gpiccoli> sarnold, sorry what is smartos?
[19:01] <gpiccoli> might be a silly question
[19:01] <sarnold> gpiccoli: joyant's cloud platform
[19:02] <sarnold> gpiccoli: it's an Illumos OS distribution designed for easy cloud hosting stuff -- you boot to e.g. a USB memory stick or netboot, and the main zone loads configs for all the other zones, zfs pools, and starts vms in the other zones as needed
[19:03] <gpiccoli> awesome! but sarnold, seems like a distro right?
[19:04] <gpiccoli> you're saying that a ubuntu ISO running in KVM inside smartos will have issues by setting the console= by default?
[19:04] <sarnold> gpiccoli: think of them as similar to aws or scaleway ..
[19:07] <gpiccoli> oh great sarnold
[19:07] <gpiccoli> so, they do use isos to bring-up guests..and we would have issues there
[20:55] <Whoopie> LocutusOfBorg: they do here.
[22:34] <sarnold> is something extra-special broken with ca-certificates? or is this just the usual amount of "meh debs don't upgrade well"? 1764060 1764061 1764106 1764313 1764431 1764533 1764551
[23:10] <Faux> There's a bug.


[01:39] <mikubuntu> i got a quick question -- is lubuntu13.04 now have the pae problem fixed? i need to download something for my buddy's two laptops, but i remember the last time i tried i was having a problem with pae, but somebody told me that was fixed now.
[01:40] <Unit193> Depends on what you mean by "problem with PAE", pae is a required processor feature in 13.04
[01:46] <mikubuntu> i can't remember what the problem was exactly. either the old computer did or didn't have pae, and the installation wouldn't go.
[01:46] <mikubuntu> is pae required in 12.10 or 12.04?
[01:46] <Unit193> I'm guessing it doesn't hav pae support, and would check it out to make sure then go with Debian if not.  12.10, IIRC.
[01:47] <mikubuntu> so maybe i should make a disk of each, huh? one 13.04 and one 12.10?
[01:48] <Unit193> Wouldn't make sense if 12.10 does in fact require it.
[01:50] <phillw> 12.10 was the last lubuntu to have non-pae. For some computers (celeron) the chips do not advertise they have pae ability. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE It does *NOT* work if the actual CPU cannot support PAE
[01:51] <phillw> sorry, my bad... 12.04 was the last non-pae
[01:57] <mozybonz> loveing lubuntu on my laptop i guess ill stay with 12.04,that PAE issue yall where talking about
[01:57] <holstein> nothing wrong with 12.04
[01:58] <mozybonz> ya very smooth for me
[01:58] <Unit193> holstein: Except it not being an LTS. ;)
[01:59] <holstein> well. the core still is..
[01:59] <holstein> remove lubuntu-desktop and install lxde, and *boom*.. lts :)
[02:00] <phillw> mozybonz: there are other additional sub-flavours for those who need to stick to non-pae kernels but want the more recent parts of lubuntu. lxde is one such community respin.
[02:01] <phillw> holstein: lxle is not quite an LTS, but he does work hard on it.
[02:01] <mozybonz> was useing xubuntu but with lxde
[02:01] <holstein> i havent tried lxle yet
[02:01]  * ianorlin hasn't either
[02:02] <holstein> but, i would have no issues running lubuntu 12.04.. or ubuntu 12.04 LTS with lxde
[02:04] <phillw> it's over CD size, and has terminal replaced. The trick is to get a non-pae kernel, then tell it to never to upgrade, which synaptic can do. If there should be a security issue (never seen one yet), it would be a call. Lock the non-pae kernel and allow all other updates.
[02:04] <holstein> yup
[02:05] <phillw> 12.04 kernel is still supported until April 2017
[02:43] <mikubuntu> thanks phillw and Unit193 i have copy of 13.04, 12.04alt, and 12.10
[04:05] <testerer> Major fail.  Scanner doesn't work with Brother DCP-150C & brother drivers (lpr driver, cupswrapper, brscn2, brscan-skey).
[04:05] <holstein> testerer: :/
[04:05] <testerer> Photocopier works fine so it definitely 'scans' that way.
[04:05] <holstein> testerer: be sure you let brother know it is a major fail
[04:06] <holstein> my brother printer works well out of the box
[04:06] <testerer> I should do!  Their installtion methods are idiotic
[04:07] <testerer> holstein,  did you install the drivers following brother's instructions to dpkg -i --force-all xxxxxxx ?
[04:08] <testerer> I did that to each deb driver and scanner fails.  Printer works though.
[04:08] <holstein> testerer: out of the box.. i connected to it and it prints
[04:09] <testerer> Oh, you're lucky then.
[04:09] <holstein> no debs.. no google.. no search.. just the "add a printer" wizard"
[04:11] <testerer> "brscan-skey -l" reveals my scanner is active.  Outut:
[04:11] <testerer> DCP-150C          : brother2:bus2;dev2  : USB                  Active
[04:12] <testerer> When i scan, the printer says "Connecting to PC" and nothing happens.
[04:13] <testerer> Hey i was reading on the forums that brother printers may require the windows firmware installed in xsane folder
[04:14] <holstein> did you try it?
[04:14] <testerer> No.. That's a project for the future as  i don't have a windows PC to extract the firmware :- (    Wine can't run the brother installer.
[04:16] <testerer> Actually i have winXP embedded on flash memory..I could possibly use that, if i have enough space.
[04:17] <testerer> And IF 'XP embedded' supports the extraction of the installer.
[04:18] <holstein> right click exctract might support it
[04:20] <testerer> ok checking the contents of the exes
[04:21] <testerer> I already extracted the installer, but i forgot to extract the other exes inside the first exe. doh
[04:27] <testerer> Too bad, file-roller can't extract the exe's.  this is going to be an XPE job.
[04:27] <holstein> or, you could email the vendor and ask
[04:27] <testerer> yes go straight to the source of the problem
[04:45] <testerer> OK i emailed brother and told them to test their drivers in Ubuntu 12.04 and higher and explain how to make it work.
[04:45] <holstein> lol.. well, when that doesnt go well, you can ask them for the firmware that they actually might provide
[04:46] <testerer> They should have done it right to begin with.  Hope they respond and even better: get their act together.
[04:46] <holstein> the issue is, the product likely doesnt say "linux support" officially
[04:47] <testerer> Actually they officially support Ubuntu 32 and 64 bit so they're doing something wrong.
[04:47] <testerer> their installers are shoddy, they don't even have the correct folders to install to.
[04:48] <holstein> could be for older versions..
[04:48] <testerer> If that's the case, they're not keeping up with ubuntu releases.
[04:49] <holstein> testerer: they may not promise to
[04:50] <testerer> It would only require a shell script to setup the install environment and install it.  Geeze it's not hard
[04:51] <holstein> maybe.. maybe that breaks support for something else.. or deps are moved or removed or broken
[04:57] <testerer> Is UDP Port 54925 open by default?
[04:57] <testerer> Cause brother says to open it.
[04:59] <testerer> nah doesn't work anyway:   sudo ufw allow 54925
[05:12] <phillw> holstein: you could always try the rpm and use alien. but from reading their website, they are more interested in people buying new machines that supporting old ones.
[05:13] <phillw> s/ holstein / testerer
[05:13] <phillw> soz holstein :/
[05:14] <testerer> Actually brother have created half-baked installers for linux that require the user to run multiple command line instructions which should have been composed into the installer script.
[05:14] <testerer> That's obvious by reading their instructions.  No user should have to do this.
[05:16] <testerer> All brother needs to do is install a fresh copy of Ubuntu 12.04 or higher and test their drivers on the default system.  The installer should do the rest.
[05:17] <testerer> Having said that, the fact i'm using "lubuntu" or LXDE could mean i'm missing something not included in default Ubuntu
[05:19] <testerer> apt-get check reveals no broken packages.
[05:20] <phillw> testerer: the kernel part of lubuntu is the same as ubuntu, as are the drivers. Canonical release team look after all that.
[05:26] <phillw> testerer: As I said earlier, I do not use, nor have access to, brother products. when asked to source new equipment that has to work with windows and Mac OSX, adding in linux friendly is not really too hard :)
[05:27] <testerer> Yeah.  HP drivers install well in Ubuntu using "sudo apt-get install hplip" then i ran the hp-setup tool and everything was done.
[05:28] <phillw> My sister just was moved from XP to lubuntu, had an all in one HP system... installing hplib sorted it all out.
[05:28] <testerer> yes that's great
[05:31] <phillw> linux in general will work with the manufactures - it is for them to get on board, from what you have pointed out, brother have not done so. Having said that, I'm pretty sure that some ubuntu hacker has got your piece of equipment to work.... and I use the term hacker correctly, not as used in news / politics.
[05:34] <bioterror> hackers posts life hacks to youtube? :D
[05:35] <bioterror> as it's saturday, I think you have to wait the reply from brother 'til monday
[05:42] <phillw> bioterror: if you see him back before me, point him to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1566372 It is a rather ancient piece of kit!
[05:43] <bioterror> I will, if I'm here
[07:44] <CountryfiedLinux> Is there a way to add other menu widgets to the lxpanel? I want a more organized menu.
[07:55] <MrGarlic> could someone help me? My screen is really blue, how do I adjust the color profile in lubuntu?
[07:56] <CountryfiedLinux> MrGarlic, You mean the wallpaper or the theme?
[07:56] <MrGarlic> CountryfiedLinux: The display is blue-ish
[07:56] <MrGarlic> this is a new laptop, though
[07:56] <MrGarlic> perhaps I'm not used it
[07:57] <MrGarlic> I'm not talking about the theme or wallpaper
[07:57] <MrGarlic> just the display color profiles
[07:57] <CountryfiedLinux> MrGarlic, In menu>preferences>customize look and feel you'll find a color wheel for different theme options you can adjust it from there.
[07:58] <MrGarlic> CountryfiedLinux: this isn't the theme, it's the display itself
[07:58] <MrGarlic> CountryfiedLinux: I'm talking about calibrating color profiles
[08:06] <CountryfiedLinux> MrGarlic, got a screenshot?
[08:07] <MrGarlic> CountryfiedLinux: It's not bad or anything, it's a pretty subtle thing
[08:07] <MrGarlic> it's supposed to be normal
[08:07] <MrGarlic> but blue screens disgust me
[08:08] <CountryfiedLinux> MrGarlic, got a screenshot of it?
[08:09] <CountryfiedLinux> MrGarlic, Here's a theme I made before and used to use http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3721/9417749998_5634a35111_o.png
[08:36] <CountryfiedLinux> MrGarlic, I was trying to help you. Don't know where you're at without a response, which would also be considered polite to respond to someone offering to help you.
[10:25] <plusEV> How do I turn of scrolling the pager with my muouse pad to change desktops?
[10:26] <manik> hey
[10:26] <manik> Does anybody know how to enlarge the Lubuntu Menu?
[10:26] <Unit193> plusEV: Settings Manager > Window Manager Tweaks.
[10:26] <Unit193> Whoops, wrong DE.
[10:27] <plusEV> yea I can not find that ;)
[10:29] <plusEV> Does anyone else know?
[10:30] <Unit193> As a general rule, I'd say it's in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml  but this I do no know for sure.
[10:33] <plusEV> I can not figure this out. :/
[10:34] <plusEV> My mousepad is so bad and sensitive it jumps all over the place
[10:35] <Unit193> Tried editing the settings in synaptics?
[10:36] <plusEV> nope. how do I do that?
[10:39] <Unit193> !synaptics
[10:51] <plusEV> jesus H christ. finnay turn that crap off
[10:51] <plusEV> Unit193: ty
[11:11] <plusEV> I have another question. When I enter my filebrowser and hit the Application tab there that points to menu://applications/ then I will see nothing there. Just a spinning wheel and no icons. Why is that?
[14:18] <Steve__> help
[14:19] <Steve__> im trying to create a usb boot drive with lili
[14:19] <Steve__> it get most of the way done and then says write protected?
[14:20] <Steve__> it loads a alot of files before, so I know its not the flash drive
[14:20] <Steve__> what can I do?
[16:49] <luisssss> hello good morning to you all i like to ask for help, i just installed lubuntu 13.04 yesterday, everything is ok, but the sound, the thing is that the icon is manage by "PCM" but when i try to adjust the volume it does not respond, the one that repond is "master" can some one help me to fix this please
[16:54] <phillw> luisssss: hi, have a read of the links at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885240 feel free to register on that forum and ask in that section
[16:54] <zleap> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[16:54] <zleap> high flying teddy
[16:55] <luisssss> ok
[16:56] <luisssss> si this isn't  lubuntu support channel?
[16:57] <zleap> hi luisssss
[16:57] <phillw> luisssss: yes it is, but I'm not familiar with your problem, as my sound 'just works'. that link explains how to trouble shoot sound when it does not.
[16:58] <luisssss> i am reading it but so far nothing let me keep on foing and see thanyou
[16:58] <luisssss> and hai zleap
[16:58] <luisssss> hi*
[17:05] <bioterror> how about amixer
[17:05] <bioterror> and check the levels from there
[17:05] <luisssss> amixer
[17:08] <luisssss> well the volume works the problem is that by default come PCM as the channel that does control the volume adjustmen, however whenever i roll the wheel on my mouse to adjust the colume the one that responds is MASTER not PCM, how do i do to fix it?
[17:08] <luisssss> and i have no amixer
[18:42] <mikubuntu> just installed lubuntu 13.04, and the live disk loaded properly and seemed to work, but wasn't detecting wireless connections. i installed on hdd, but now it's not booting to hdd. getting error message: ELF header smaller than expected. grub rescue>
[18:46] <katkisson> I'm kinda new to Lubuntu. Is it a good thing to go to "hybernate" with it?
[18:47] <katkisson> I have an older computer.
[18:47] <zleap> not sure, it should work ok
[18:47] <zleap> maybe someone else can help here, how long u intend to hybernate for
[18:48] <bioterror> hibernating depends
[18:48] <katkisson> On and off a few times through the day to save my old computer from having to work on on all day.
[18:48] <bioterror> I mostly prefer myself sleep
[18:49] <zleap> ok
[18:49] <bioterror> but if I have things open that I dont want to close and keep open but the battery is running out of juice, then hibernating
[18:49] <katkisson> Is sleep better for an old computer? I notice my the touch pad seems to stay quite warm if I keep it on all day.
[18:49] <zleap> i can't see why it would not work but as i have never really used that feature i would see what a few others come up with
[18:49] <bioterror> hibernating writes to disk
[18:50] <bioterror> it's more work for the laptop than sleep for the RAM
[18:50] <katkisson> so what does writing to disk mean? Is that easier on an old computer?
[18:50] <bioterror> no
[18:50] <bioterror> it's slower and requires writing to HDD
[18:50] <katkisson> so sleep is better
[18:50] <bioterror> yes, if you have battery
[18:51] <bioterror> sleep is also more instant
[18:51] <katkisson> My battery is plugged in, but not good unplugged.
[18:51] <mikubuntu> it was strange, because with the live disk it booted completely and i had a desktop -- so why would there be a grub problem when its on the hdd?
[18:52] <bioterror> mikubuntu, run boot repair
[18:52] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:53] <mikubuntu> ok, let me check it out :: is it a command line i enter right after grub rescue>?
[18:53] <bioterror> use your live CD or USB
[18:53] <bioterror> and install boot-repair
[18:53] <katkisson> someone is talking about boot-repair. Yesterday, my Lubuntu wouldn't come on, so I cleaned installed a new one. It works good now from turn on. What causes that?
[18:55] <bioterror> why sometimes a bicycle tyre gets a hole and goes empty, I dunno
[18:57] <katkisson> hummm It happened before when I had Xubuntu and I cleaned installed to make it work. I tried going into safemode to make sure the loading list was right, but that didn't seem to correct it. I do hope my Lubuntu I just downloaded stays put and will come on. I guess maybe it's the old computer. A few months ago I erased the Windows vista and am using Linux.
[19:03] <katkisson> Another question. In Lubuntu Software, I see you can uninstall things that came with the package. So, I uninstalled a few things, not important to running the system. I uninstalled Abiword and Gnumeric and downloaded Libre Office. Is it alright to uninstall? I read somewhere for Xubuntu that maybe that's not a good idea. What do you think?
[19:11] <phillw> katkisson: if you prefer libre office, feel free to remove abiword and gnumeric.
[19:11] <mikubuntu> bioterror i am running the boot repair, so forgive the stupid question -- i am running this using live disk, is it repairing the boot in in hdd?
[19:13] <bioterror> yes
[19:13] <bioterror> it should see it
[19:16] <mikubuntu> bioterror, ok i need to reboot, so i want to set the sequence back to hdd, yes?
[19:17] <bioterror> yes, you want to do the changes to the hdd
[19:22] <katkisson> O.K. guys, I'm reading along about boot repair.  Bio.. recommended the site, I think.
[19:33] <holstein> katkisson: this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair ,can be done from the live CD you used to install
[19:36] <katkisson> oh, so how do you do that? with the same directions that "bioterror" gave? And are those "&" signs there in the middle of that command?
[19:37] <holstein> katkisson: depends on what you are trihng to do.. the link i gave allows you to repair grub with the live CD you used to install ubuntu
[19:39] <katkisson> Well, yesterday, Lubuntu wouldn't come up after I turned my computer on, so I cleaned installed it and had to spiff it up the way I liked again. I just want to avoid having to do that again if I can fix that booting issue with a live CD.
[19:39] <holstein> katkisson: so, you have no problem, right now?
[19:40] <holstein> katkisson: the link i gave is for fixing grub, assuming its broken. i wouldnt run it just for kicks
[19:40] <holstein> katkisson: you can always image your drive and save your installation, which is the only way to have it "saved" since that hard drive *will* fail
[19:41] <katkisson> no, but before, Lubuntu, I had Xubuntu, and it did the same thing, and I cleaned installed.  No, I wouldn't run it just for kicks either, just if my computer won't boot up Lubuntu.  So, how do I "image" my drive? You mean, save an image of how I fixed it all up after installation?
[19:43] <holstein> katkisson: the are *all* ubuntu.. xubuntu and lubuntu are ubuntu
[19:44] <holstein> katkisson: there are many ways to backup your data.. you can use ubuntuone, or some other commercial option, or clonezilla, or just backup the data
[19:44] <holstein> katkisson: we dont know why your machine didnt boot, and since there is no problem, we cant look or troubleshoot
[19:45] <holstein> katkisson: the link i gave to repair grub is an easy thing to try
[19:46] <katkisson> o.k.,  that sounds good. I'm glad I got on this conversion since I was going through this yesterday.
[19:49] <katkisson> Can I make a CD of how I have lubuntu set up now and have it for back up?
[19:49] <katkisson> How do I do that/
[19:51] <holstein> katkisson: many ways.. clonezilla could do that
[19:53] <katkisson> Is it free?
[19:53] <holstein> katkisson: its here, http://clonezilla.org/ and not supported here
[19:54] <katkisson> what do you mean, "and not supported here"?
[19:55] <holstein> katkisson: this, as the /topic states, is the lubuntu support channel, and that is clonezilla
[19:55] <holstein> it utilizes open tools that can be used manually if one wanted to learn to use them
[19:56] <katkisson> oh  so, I go to clonezilla.org and I can burn a cd of my lubuntu setup?
[19:57] <holstein> katkisson: its not that simple, and you would look for assistance on using clonezilla at clonezilla sources
[19:57] <holstein> katkisson: i would keep it simple, and do what works for you..
[19:58] <katkisson> o.k.   i like, keep it simple, sorry. Thanks for your all the info!
[19:58] <holstein> katkisson: no worries..
[20:00] <mikubuntu> ok, bioterror, all seems to be working EXCEPT not detecting wireless, can you help me troubleshoot?
[20:13] <katkisson> I was just talking about saving my whole  Lubuntu, the way I have it to a CD just in case of a booting problem which I had yesterday until I cleaned installed it. So, holstein said I could send it all to UbuntuOne which I have. How do I do that, and could I burn a CD from it there, or what is another easier way?
[20:13] <holstein> katkisson: i actually didnt say that
[20:14] <holstein> katkisson: i offered ubuntu one as a way to backup your data.. not "make a cd"
[20:14] <katkisson> Ya, you said that. Is there a way to make a cd?
[20:14] <holstein> katkisson: ubuntuone is a sync service.. and you can sync whatever you like between whatever machines you like up to a certain data rate, then you pay for more
[20:14] <holstein> katkisson: as i said, if i wanted to make a cd, i would use clonezilla
[20:15] <holstein> personaly, i use clonezilla to image to external usb drives
[20:16] <katkisson> o.k. I will look at that. Thanks! Oh, so if I do the "boot repair" thing, will that mess up my changes I made to Lubuntu?
[20:16] <katkisson> So, a usb drive works for a seven year old computer?
[20:16] <katkisson> how about a cd?
[20:17] <holstein> katkisson: i personally have only read about doing cd imaging from clonezilla, as i stated, and still say, is an option for making cd images
[20:17] <holstein> katkisson: age has *nothing* to do with usb. ether the device has USB or it doesnt
[20:18] <katkisson> ya   o.k. just wanting to be prepaired if my computer doesn't want to load up Lubuntu, like it did two times before in the past three months.
[20:19] <holstein> katkisson: be prepared for failure.. for the cd to not work.. or the optical drive.. or the hard drive
[20:19] <katkisson> well, really only once, yesterday, the other time, it just took too long.
[20:19] <phillw> katkisson: you may also want to consider having a seperate partition for /hom, this means your data is retained even on a re-install and is much less data to back-up to the likes of ubuntuone / cd / usb etc.
[20:20] <phillw> *for /home*
[20:21] <katkisson> so phillw, how do you do that?
[20:22] <phillw> katkisson: head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[20:23] <katkisson> o.k.  thank you!
[20:28] <mikubuntu> so i'm trying these on http://askubuntu.com/questions/21207/network-manager-troubleshooting but not making any progress
[20:29] <mikubuntu> can someone please tell me that commandline that's sposed to detect wireless cards?
[20:29] <phillw> mikubuntu: what wifi device is it?
[20:30] <mikubuntu> phillw, do you mean my router? its an att  2wire
[20:30] <phillw> no the device in your computer.
[20:30] <mikubuntu> i guess i don't know
[20:31] <mikubuntu> i have a term open
[20:31] <phillw> well, that's the first thing to find out :)
[20:31] <mikubuntu> :P i don't know the command
[20:31] <phillw> mikubuntu: issue
[20:31] <phillw> lspci | grep irel
[20:31] <mikubuntu> k, lemme try lspci
[20:33] <mikubuntu> broadcom corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)  ??
[20:33] <phillw> you have a broadcom device... let me find the link to get it to work.
[20:35] <phillw> mikubuntu: I've never had a broadcom WiFi unit, but if you head to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx that should fix it for you. Do let us know if you get stuck and how you get on.
[20:35] <mikubuntu> thanks phillw
[20:38] <mikubuntu> phillw: how do i make the straight up/down slash character?
[20:38] <phillw> it is SHIFT and the \ key.
[20:38] <phillw> (well, on my keyboard) :)
[20:38] <ianorlin> on mine as well
[20:47] <phillw> mikubuntu: if you are used to using Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V to copy and paste, within the terminal you need to use Shift-Ctrl-C and Shift-Ctrl-V for the same functions, it saves having to manually type in commands from wiki pages and also for putting information back to 'normal' areas :D
[20:48] <mikubuntu> no, i'm talking to you on one laptop, the other is wired across the room
[20:48] <phillw> ahh, that does make it more a pain if you do not have ssh set up :)
[20:49] <mikubuntu> ssh way over my head :P
[20:51] <mikubuntu> ok, from the page you gave me not successful doing sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source    .... saying unable to locate package
[20:52] <phillw> mikubuntu: are you at this section? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#A11.10_.28Oneiric_Ocelot.29_-_12.10_.28Quantal_Quetzal.29
[20:54] <mikubuntu> no the part above
[20:55] <phillw> mikubuntu: what version of lubuntu are you using?
[20:55] <mikubuntu> 1304
[20:56] <phillw> then use the instructions for 11.10 / 12.10
[20:56] <mikubuntu> i'm worried that my 'assistant' here uninstalled the network manager using an instruction from another page -- how can i check that?
[20:58] <phillw> he he....
[20:58] <phillw>  sudo apt-get install network-manager
[20:58] <phillw> it will tell you it is already installed, or install it... a Win-Win :)
[21:03] <mikubuntu> already installed ... but using the instructions you gave me just above, still getting 'cannot locate package bcmwl-kernel-source'
[21:07] <phillw> hmm, okies... let me go and have a dig for you
[21:08] <mikubuntu> phillw, thanks -- this machine driving me to (want) to drink
[21:09] <phillw> mikubuntu: broadcom WiFi is a pain, my heart sinks when I see someone struggling! head over to this link.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2090138
[21:21] <mikubuntu> phillw that page not helping me too many different ppl with seemingly different issues -- i'm starting to remember that i had a similar issue with a broadcom card about a year ago, and i THINK someone sent me to a link to download and copy the driver to a cd, and install that way -- but i don't remember any more details
[21:25] <katkisson> I don't have anything wrong now with Lubuntu, but I did yesterday and had to clean install. I've been talking with some of you earlier about boot repair just in case I have a problem again. Someone said to put in the Lubuntu CD and put in the boot repair command there. Also, there is an iso for boot repair that can be burned to a CD online. My question is, do these two change anything in the way Iset up Lubuntu? Does it bring it
[21:25] <katkisson> back to Lubuntu default or will it keep my changes?
[21:32] <katkisson> Also, phillw, you said to look into "partitioning/home/moving" which I read online. They say to set up your partitioning in the beginning when you are clean installing. So, does this mean if I chose for Lubuntu to use all the partitions, I can't use this partitioning/home/moving thing?
[21:33] <katkisson> I mean, would I have to clean install and set up the partioning settings to make this work?
[21:41] <katkisson> I have also looked into "Cloezilla'' that someone suggested for burning an iso of my lubuntu setup. That looks promising, but I want to know how to find out the size of my Lubuntu system now to know if I could burn it to a CD or a DVD.
[21:41] <katkisson> oops I mean "Clonezilla"
[21:50] <katkisson> o.k. maybe this will be a better question. I also heard that the new Lubuntu upgrade is coming in October, and that Lubuntu 12.04 will only be supported for a couple of months after that. Does that mean I would be better off clean installing the new Lubunutu than having to worry about my existing one that is going to have to change anyway?
[22:00] <phillw> katkisson: you can create a new /home partition using the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving even on an installed system.
[22:01] <katkisson> oh, philw, o.k. even on an installed system. I like that. I'll try to figure it out. Thanks!
[22:02] <phillw> mikubuntu: post up a question on that forum area stating the version of lubuntu you are using and the output we got from the lspci command... Then be patient :) One of the people will get back to you. I'm sorry that I have no personal experience with broadcom WiFi systems.
[22:04] <phillw> mikubuntu: you can also ask on #ubuntu-beginners (quieter channel) or #ubuntu (busy channel).
[22:05] <katkisson> phillw, what about the new Lubuntu upgrade coming up, will I be able to easily switch over with this partitioning thing?
[22:10] <phillw> katkisson: you can safely upgrade any *buntu system. It will not touch your /home area. the advantage of having /home on a seperate partition is if you need to re-install from scratch for any reason. As you have done re-installs, I'd suggest having your /home on a seperate partition.
[22:11] <katkisson> o.k.  phillw, thanks