[20:17] <bkerensa> nathwill: enjoying the new comcast speeds?
[20:19] <nathwill> eh?
[20:19] <nathwill> comcast.speeds?
[20:20] <nathwill> i noticed they dropped my IP lease and gave me a new one last night...
[20:22] <nathwill> though checking speedtest, it appears the down speed tripled from what i've typically seen
[20:22] <bkerensa> yes
[20:22] <bkerensa> they rolled out new speeds on all plans
[20:26] <nathwill> no kidding
[20:26] <nathwill> where's this described?
[20:28] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2013/03/comcast_boosts_internet_speeds.html
[20:28] <bkerensa> nathwill: also Sprint confirmed last night to me that LTE will be rolled out in all of the Portland metro area by July
[20:28] <bkerensa> apparently its now starting by my house since my service was heavily disrupted yesterday
[20:28] <nathwill> fantastic!
[20:29] <bkerensa> I did however go out to Wilsonville/Tualatin/Tigard/SW last night and saw no 4G so no idea where other people are seeing it out there yet
[20:30] <bkerensa> nathwill: if you shut off your modem for 10 mins or so and then start it up it should grab a newer boot file and you might get faster speeds
[20:30] <bkerensa> unless they cycled your modem
[20:30] <nathwill> i have my own modem
[20:30] <bkerensa> me too
[20:30] <bkerensa> but you still use their boot file
[20:30] <bkerensa> :D
[20:30] <nathwill> i see that my speeds jumped when checking speedtest
[20:30] <nathwill> srsly?
[20:30] <bkerensa> yes
[20:30] <nathwill> that's super upsetting
[20:30] <bkerensa> why?
[20:31] <bkerensa> how would they know what speeds to provision
[20:31] <bkerensa> ;)


[00:38] <StormStrikes> anyone on here familiar with libre office calc print ranges?
[00:56] <GridCube> nope
[00:57] <GridCube> StormStrikes, you should ask #libreoffice
[01:39]  * phillip is trying to connect a hp RJ316AA bluetooth pc card mouse on ubuntustudio 11.10 running xfce. any help?
[01:43] <GridCube> phillip, are you using blueman?
[01:52] <phillip> bluemon?
[01:52] <phillip> oh i see it
[01:53] <phillip> one sec
[01:55]  * phillip wonders is the pass key 0000  (yes im using blueman)
[02:28] <phillip> quit
[03:05] <visitor1> i can manage to disable "change attributes for files with mv cp" in krusader, anybody has a clue?
[03:06] <visitor1> i cant manage to disable "change attributes for files with mv cp" in krusader, anybody has a clue?
[06:15] <kenneho> Hi all, does anyone here know how I can disable wifi roaming in Xubuntu 11.10?
[06:51] <shevan> kenneho, I see how you could disable it for exact wireless network. You need just disable that checkbox it in network manager connections.
[07:02] <kenneho> shevan: Thanks for replying. I can't seem to find a roaming checkbox in network manager.. Can you point me to where it's at?
[07:05] <shevan> Well, click on nm applet on the panel. The last entry of menu is something like 'Edit'. There you click on 'wireless' tab (or named smth like that) and edit connection in it. the checkbox is under the connection name
[07:07] <shevan> the last menu entry is 'edit connetctions', as google says
[07:10] <kenneho> shevan: Thanks, I've found edit connections, and the wireless tab. But as far as I can see there is no roaming checkbox anywhere.
[07:13] <shevan> kenneho, well, i ment 'Connect automatically' checkbox. I thought that's the thing you're looking for http://dakotux.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/screenshot-editing-auto-2wire583.png
[08:00] <_Pete_> morning
[08:01] <_Pete_> is it possible to configure how much parole movie player goes forward/backward from the buttons/keyboard ?
[08:40] <kenneho> shevan: Ah I see, you ment I should just uncheck "connect automatically" and leave only one access point left to connect automatically to? I will try that.
[11:35] <fgy> quit
[12:24] <dirtycookie> hello people, i have the newest version of xubuntu and wanted to use youtube-dl to extract audio from youtube. but i get the warning message that ffmpeg doesnt wanna convert to mp3
[12:24] <dirtycookie> can someone hlep
[13:38] <Sysi> dirtycookie: try some firefox addon, I liked downloadhelper
[13:38] <Sysi> you need to have ffmpeg installed and possibly some plugins for it
[13:38] <Sysi> is nautilus really included in default installation because of file-roller?
[13:39] <dirtycookie> Sysi: i agree but my eeepc hast little recources to do that so i need a little more efficient method
[13:40] <Sysi> that should be nothing like cpu-intensive.. unlike converting with ffmpeg anyway is
[13:40] <Sysi> ah, after removing globalmenu-stuff I could remove nautilus
[13:41] <dirtycookie> Sysi: well i have a 8 inch screen and every additional window open is horrible, you dont have another solution to my problem
[13:43] <Sysi> you can switch windows with alt+tab
[13:59] <dusf> do i need to install something to use bluetooth with xubuntu 11.04?
[14:08] <ablomen> dusf, i use blueman for bluetooth, you can find it in the ubuntu software center
[14:24] <dusf> ablomen: trying to install it now
[14:29] <dusf> ablomen: it's installed now, shouldn't it be in main menu > syster?
[14:29] <dusf> *system
[14:30] <ablomen> it should be in your tray
[14:30] <ablomen> there should be a bluetooth icon there
[14:30] <dusf> ablomen: there's not
[14:31] <ablomen> then try running blueman-manager in your terminal and see if you have errors
[14:31] <ablomen> it might not start automaticly when you install btw
[14:31] <ablomen> it should at boot though
[14:31] <ablomen> or login actually
[14:31] <GridCube> it should if he plugs/unplugs bluetooth receptor
[14:33] <dusf> putting blueman-manager into term installed something and brought up the manager
[14:35] <ablomen> ok in the future it should run on startup, or maybe when you plug in the bluetooth thingy (if applicable)
[14:37] <ablomen> oh and if it still did not show up you can press alt+f2 and enter "blueman-applet &" for now
[14:39] <dusf> ablomen, GridCube: thanks guys, so far this is working way better than bluetooth used to on 10.10/10.04
[14:39] <GridCube> :)
[14:44] <dusf> GridCube: hmm, where's it saving the files to? not in my ~ or /downloads
[14:44] <dusf> no option in preferences
[14:45] <Sysi> ablomen: & isn't really needed when using xfrun4
[14:45] <GridCube> dusf, sorry i don't know what you are talking abou
[14:45] <GridCube> dusf, anyway you should check your ~/ directory
[14:46] <ablomen> Sysi, yeah i guess so, since STDOUT go's nowhere anyway
[14:46] <GridCube> press ctrl-h and look if one of the hidden folder is named like .bluetooth?
[14:46] <GridCube> dunno
[14:46] <dusf> found i can manually browse the phone and copy what i need
[14:47] <GridCube> :)
[15:01] <doubletwist> Anyone having issues with the screensaver crashing? I keep coming back to work to see my desktop sitting there, not locked. :(
[17:35] <Arpad2> hello
[17:35] <Arpad2> any ideas for this problem? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/180016
[17:38] <TheSheep> looks like you pulled in some incompatible packages from some ppas
[17:39] <Arpad2> TheSheep: i cant add or remove any software
[17:41] <Arpad2> however I think this error happened while updating in installing upgrades a harware failure happened
[17:46] <YeahRight_> i installed the latest xubuntu updates but now after reboot my display settings dont show all resolutions i had before...i would like to enable a higher resolution than i can select right now, one that worked fine before the latest updates..how can i fix this?
[17:49] <jana46> I've 2 ext. usb disk who seemed to be locked? Anyone knows waht this means?
[17:49] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: I had to set up own xorg.conf file with 'Section Screen' and relevant Subsections to get resolutions I wanted.
[17:50] <YeahRight_> TVasEyes : thanks for replying..where exactly would i do that?
[17:51] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: see man 5 xorg.conf
[17:52] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: you can run (from memory) Xorg :1 -configure to get a basic one generated (the :1 may come after -configure, check manual)
[17:52] <YeahRight_> i cant probe my graphic card somehow?
[17:52] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: Xorg server will do it for you
[17:53] <YeahRight_> can i do this in a xterm?
[17:53] <YeahRight_> or how can i shutdown the xserver itself again..it has been a while :P
[17:54] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: not sure, if you do make sure you don't use the :0 serever whiuch is running
[17:54] <TVasEyes> *which
[17:55] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: you can switch to console while server keeps running, Ctrl-Alt-F1, then log in as root
[17:55] <YeahRight_> ah
[17:55] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: return to X with Alt-F7
[17:56] <YeahRight_> nice
[18:16] <YeahRight_> TVasEyes No command 'xorg' found, did you mean:
[18:17] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: is Xorg, uppercase X.
[18:18] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: also, you should find additional info on current session in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:23]  * TVasEyes is away: gone for coffee..
[18:24] <YeahRight_> ok thx again
[18:52] <YeahRight_> TVasEyes : i get a segmentation fault now :-(
[18:53]  * TVasEyes is back (gone 00:30:00)
[18:53] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: and you did what?
[18:54] <well_laid_lawn> !away | TVasEyes
[18:54] <YeahRight_> TVasEyes run xorg -configure
[18:54] <YeahRight_> Xorg
[18:55] <YeahRight_> i stopped lightdm before
[18:56] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: you've one server running (:0), when you do the -configure to get xorg.conf generated use Xorg :1 -configure to avoid conflict
[18:56] <YeahRight_> i dont think thats the problem..i already killed the server :0
[18:57] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: right, any relevant info in dmesg or Xorg.0.log?
[18:58] <YeahRight_> i prob should have mentioned xubuntu is running under vmware workstation btw
[18:59] <YeahRight_> i'll try to put the log online
[18:59] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: no idea whether that makes a difference, you have guest stuff installed?
[18:59] <YeahRight_> yup
[18:59] <YeahRight_> and it shouldt make a difference i suppose since it worked fine before the latest updates
[19:00] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: ok, paste link and I'll have a look.
[19:00] <YeahRight_> i mean i should be able to generate my supported resolutions i suppose
[19:00] <YeahRight_> will do..thanks for the support TVasEyes
[19:01] <YeahRight_> rebooting now..need x for easy copy and paste of log :P
[19:01] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: use Xorg.0.log.old
[19:02] <YeahRight_> k
[19:02] <TVasEyes> ubutto: ok, undid the away msg in settings.
[19:10] <GridCube> !guidelines | TVasEyes
[19:10] <GridCube> :D
[19:10] <TVasEyes> ubottu, GridCube: thanks, me newbie
[19:12] <YeahRight_> TVasEyes : Xorg.0.log.old is no longer the original log somehow..however i tried with :1 too and that obisoul caused the same error and Xorg.1.log is still there
[19:14] <YeahRight_> TVasEyes : http://pastebin.com/QM6hK67h for Xorg.0.log.old and http://pastebin.com/7dggTQNh for Xorg.1.log
[19:14] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: ok, you'll upload that?  Xorg.0.log becomes Xorg.0.log.old on every restart
[19:14] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: ok
[19:15] <YeahRight_> yeah but i only restarted once and still the crash Xorg.0.log didnt become Xorg.0.log.old  somehow..
[19:34] <YeahRight_> any clue TVasEyes ?
[19:43] <kora-chan> Hey, I'm using oneiric and have sort of a strange problem. I downloaded the iconset Neu from here http://www.silvestre.com.ar/?p=56. These were the icons I used basically in all previous versions of xfce. Installed the icons in /usr/share/icons and chose them in settings. However thunar only displays the desktop icon correctly, all the others are some grey fallback-icons. Nautilus however displays all icons correct,
[19:46] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: sticking my neck out, seems in the log with segfault problem occured when there was no framebuffer at the time when vesa driver tried loading
[19:46] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: did that happen after you 'killed' the Xserver?
[19:48] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: what happen if you do Xorg :1 -configure while :0 still runs? (ought to work)
[20:05] <projekt26> why is xubuntu so awesome!
[20:07] <CiPi> Xfce is. :)
[20:12] <Wolfsherz> what is the advantage of xfce over unity?
[20:14] <Sysi> it doesn't require 3D, it's simple and has nice windowmanager setup
[20:14] <Sysi> lots of options for customizing
[20:15] <GridCube> we like it more
[20:15] <GridCube> :P
[20:18] <Wolfsherz> granted, unity is awful, or at l east i can not get used to it. but why is xfce the window manager to go for?
[20:19] <beardygnome> Wolfsherz: what are you looking for in a desktop?
[20:19] <Sysi> it's the 90s style you like and nicer configs than lxde
[20:20] <Wolfsherz> beardygnome: i really wish they sticked with gnome2
[20:20] <Wolfsherz> but with unity i need an alternative now
[20:20] <beardygnome> Wolfsherz: xfce is quite similar to gnome2
[20:20] <projekt26>  I installed xubuntu a few days ago and it was the first time a default install desktop didn't annoy the shit out of me.. all I had to do was turn off window shadows
[20:20] <beardygnome> both have the panel layouts
[20:21] <beardygnome> both are gtk based
[20:21] <Wolfsherz> on a screenshot i saw a macintosh-like bottom-bar, how can that be enabled?
[20:21] <projekt26> oh yeah that mac style panel was the other thing I disabled
[20:21] <Wolfsherz> its not enabled by default, isnt it?
[20:21] <projekt26> it is
[20:22] <beardygnome> Wolfsherz: the bottom panel is there by default
[20:22] <Wolfsherz> uh, it doesnt show up on my laptop
[20:22] <GridCube> just move your mouse to the bottom of the screen
[20:22] <GridCube> it autohides
[20:23] <Wolfsherz> nope, does not show up
[20:23] <beardygnome> do you have the top panel?
[20:23] <Wolfsherz> yes
[20:23] <beardygnome> do you have a bottom panel at all?
[20:24] <Wolfsherz> no, there is just blank space
[20:24] <Sysi> add panel and add launchers to that, expanding separators to both sides or not full-width panel
[20:24] <Sysi> set alpha to be like 30%
[20:24] <beardygnome> go to settings -> settings manager -> panel
[20:25] <Wolfsherz> laptop is restarting
[20:25] <beardygnome> intentionally?
[20:26] <kora-chan> hm just popped to my mind, when hearing the unity/xfce discussion,... overall i like xfce more, it just feels more responsive. i recently added indicator-appmenu to my xfce panel since i have a small screnn and dont want to waste the menu bar pixels ;). is there anything like in unity that removes the titlebar from maximized windows and pust the clso/minimize buttons in the panel?
[20:26] <Wolfsherz> yeah, maybe it will be back then =)
[20:26] <m1chael> i'm new here.. i just want to start by saying that xubuntu is pretty nice.. i used it over the weekend and used it as a live cd to recover data from over 30 computers.. i didn't have 1 problem with it at all
[20:30] <TVasEyes> YeahRight_: did you reinstall vmware-tools after upgrade?
[20:35] <Wolfsherz> another question, can i change the login screen to something that resembles ubuntu?
[20:36] <Wolfsherz> ok the bottom bar is there, now when i touch the bottom with the mouse the bar shows up
[20:40] <beardygnome> both of them use lightdm for the login screen, so you should be able to get hold of the ubuntu lightdm theme
[20:41] <beardygnome> i'm not sure where from, but you could try asking in an ubuntu channel
[20:42] <Wolfsherz> thanks beardygnome
[20:43] <Wolfsherz> can someone tell me the standard clock options format line?
[20:44] <beardygnome> mine is HH:MM
[20:44] <beardygnome> i think that's the standard
[20:45] <GridCube> Wolfsherz, %a %d %b %R ?
[20:45] <GridCube> %a, %d %b  %H:%M  ?
[20:46] <Wolfsherz> exactly GridCube ,thank you!
[20:46] <knome> %a %b %c %e %e %sound_of_music
[20:55] <projekt26> is there a command to bring up the 'are you sure you want to reboot' dialog? I would like to bind it to ctrl-alt-del
[20:56] <TheSheep> projekt26: there is xfce4-session
[20:56] <TheSheep> xfce4-session-logout
[20:56] <projekt26> thank you
[20:57] <TheSheep> it's not exactly a confirmation though
[20:58] <TheSheep> but you could display your own confirmation and use that to logout if it is confirmed
[20:59] <projekt26> I kind of like it this way :)
[20:59] <TheSheep> cool
[21:38] <vitor_> Good evening. I was wandering if somebody would be willing to help me solve a small Xubuntu problem, please.
[21:39] <vitor_> I have a fresh xubuntu 11.10 installation, and Firefox hangs on startup about half of the times I launch it.
[21:42] <vitor_> Looking at the task manager, I see that there are actually two firefox processes in memory when I launch it
[21:43] <vitor_> And if I kill one of them, firefox un-hangs
[21:44] <vitor_> Does anyone have any clue as to why this may be happening?
[21:47] <projekt26> do you have a lot of addons installed in firefox?
[21:49] <vitor_> No, it's a fresh install.
[21:49] <vitor_> This happens even if I launch from the terminal
[21:50] <projekt26> even on first launch?
[21:51] <projekt26> otherwise you might find some info here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_hangs#Hang_at_exit and here http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_in_use
[21:54] <vitor_> Yes, even on first launch.
[21:54] <_superVillain> terminator is magical i tell you, just thought i would put my 2 cents in :)
[21:55] <vitor_> I have no firefox processes, then I launch it, and suddenly there are two of them.
[21:55] <vitor_> Weird.
[21:55] <vitor_> Well, I'll post on the forums for help.
[21:55] <vitor_> Thanks anyway. :)
[21:56] <projekt26> yea sorry I have no idea what could cause this
[23:14] <RandomTomte> I need help.


[00:00] <defendguin> dont look at me like that
[00:00] <tgm4883> afaik, you can't make a perpetual motion machine either
[00:02]  * rogue780 made a perpetual motion machine
[00:03] <defendguin> i'm playing around with boxee and i have to be able to easily switch between apps
[00:04] <tgm4883> thats not the same as using a remote to use the applications menu
[00:05] <defendguin> tgm4883: what do you suggest
[00:05] <tgm4883> what do I suggest so you can use the applications menu?
[00:05] <tgm4883> a mouse
[00:06] <tgm4883> alternatively, you could configure a button on your remote to launch the application that you want
[00:07] <tgm4883> you might also try setting up a wii-mote as a mouse
[00:09] <defendguin> hmm  the wii mote might not be a bad idea
[01:11] <lawson23> I have a question on getting to mythbuntu via VNC is a vnc server installed by default with the 8.10 package? If so any resources concerning setting up and using this in mythbuntu?
[01:13] <darthanubis> mythweb seems to have stopped working
[01:49] <dsbw>  Is it possible to set up MythTV so that it will just accept an input from (e.g.) an analog source? (Say, a VCR or cable box?)
[01:50] <hads> Yes
[01:53] <dsbw> OK. Are there instructions somewhere as to how? I can identify the capture card (Haup-150) easily enough, but of course there's no Video Source. So how would I watch?
[10:17] <arocs> !help
[10:17] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:46] <fxr> can someone tell me where the httpd.conf file is in mythbuntu? is it apache2.conf ?
[13:51] <rhpot1991> fxr: looking for something mythweb specific?
[13:52] <fxr> no i am trying to install wtorrent
[13:52] <rhpot1991> fxr: normally each site will have its own info within /etc/apache2/sites-available
[13:53] <rhpot1991> but apache2.conf is a system wide config, so you can do things in there as well
[13:54] <fxr> ok i see, ll have a poke around in those locations. thanks.
[14:11] <arocs> Hi to all ..
[14:12] <arocs> I have lot of problems with mythbuntu 8.10 and ATI x1600 (closed and open) drivers with vsync in screen when watching videos ... any clues ?
[14:18] <arocs> I have tried with sv , x11 and opengl output with same results ...
[14:18] <arocs> sv=xv
[15:01] <williambrown0000> I am having video "stutter" problems.  This varies channel to channel.  I suspect that the higher resolution stations are causing me problems.  To verify this, I would simply like to have the "input type" 1080i/720p displayed channel by channel in the OSD.  I haven't yet figured out how to do this.  Thanks for your help.
[15:06] <arocs> Someone with vsync problems un mythbuntu 8.10 ... ?
[15:39] <williambrown0000> Yes, vsync problems with 8.10.  My first problem is that I can't easily figure out what type of video, 1080i/720p, is giving me trouble since, via the OSD(on screen display), there is no indicator of the type of video I am currently watching.
[15:39] <williambrown0000> So, if you'll could tell me how to display the video feed type, via OSD or otherwise, that would help me narrow-down the issue.
[15:44] <williambrown0000> I am running a 2.40 GHz Pentium 4 with 1gig of ram and an NVidia Geforce 7600GS(512MB).  I don't know if I am using XvMC or not.
[15:44] <williambrown0000> My CPU maxes-out on some channels.  On others, it is about 15% busy.
[15:45] <williambrown0000> The machine is a client in a myth master/client pair.  I assume that this does not matter for live TV viewing.
[15:46] <rhpot1991> williambrown0000: do you see monochrome menus ever?
[15:46] <rhpot1991> thts how you can tell if XvMC is on
[15:47] <williambrown0000> Which menus?  The menus associated with the frontend like the menus/screens I see when I select "watch TV"?  In that case, they are in color.
[15:47] <williambrown0000> The OSD is in color.
[15:47] <rhpot1991> hit m while watching video
[15:47] <rhpot1991> OSD as well
[15:48] <williambrown0000> OK.  Hold on.
[15:48] <rhpot1991> williambrown0000: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC
[15:48] <rhpot1991> your cpu will be overwhelmed without XvMC, and even with it some 1080i content may be too much
[15:49] <williambrown0000> I Hit m.  Now what?
[15:51] <rhpot1991> is it color, monochrome?
[15:51] <rhpot1991> (the menu)
[15:51] <williambrown0000> color.  Green buttons when selected.
[15:51] <rhpot1991> XvMC is not running then
[15:51] <rhpot1991> readl the link I pasted
[15:52] <rhpot1991> also read this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles
[15:52] <williambrown0000> OK.  Thanks.  I will follow the Nvidia directions.
[15:52] <williambrown0000> I have selected slim as my profile.  This made things a bit better.
[15:54] <williambrown0000> Thanks very much!
[15:54] <rhpot1991> you will need to mess with that to get XvMC in there after you activate it
[15:55] <williambrown0000> You mean that I will have to create a custom profile?
[15:56] <rhpot1991> cpu+ and cpu-- are the only ones that have XvMC by default
[15:57] <rhpot1991> so you will either need to use one of them or add XvMC to your slim profile
[15:58] <williambrown0000> OK.  Thanks again!  Do modern CPUs, dual cores require video hardware assist.  I will eventually build a silent media pc as a frontend, so then it will be relevant.
[15:58] <rhpot1991> I think the general rule is 3ghz is the minimum you should try unassisted HD with
[15:58] <rhpot1991> once you get into dual cores you should be pretty good
[16:00] <williambrown0000> Thanks, I appreciate the info.  There is a lot to wade through when you first bring mythtv up.
[17:45] <williambrown0000> rhpot1991: Video is much better!  I am getting audio stutters and "NVP: prebuffering pause" in the log.  Any hints?
[17:46] <williambrown0000> Oh, I am using CPU+ not a modified slim.
[18:23] <dsbw> So, yesterday, I was informed that mythtv could be used to passthrough an analog signal (as from a cable box or VCR) so that the signal could be viewed or recorded through Myth. But no indication of how (or where to find out how). Any thoughts?
[18:27] <tgm4883> dsbw, you would use a device such as the pvr-150
[18:27] <tgm4883> then use coax out (or svideo or composite) from the cable box to the pvr-150
[18:27] <tgm4883> then you would need an ir blaster to change the channel on the box
[18:27] <tgm4883> dsbw, do you have a digital cable box?
[18:28] <tgm4883> almost forgot, if you run trunk, and have an hdpvr, you can use that and component
[18:29] <tgm4883> in fact, thats basically what i'm doing, as I have directv
[19:22] <dsbw> I have a digital box, yes, I'm running a S-Video cable from the box to a Hauppauge 150. But I don't want to mess with channel changing; I just want to do a straight pass through, if possible.
[19:26] <tgm4883> dsbw, thats not possible
[19:32] <awilkins> Hi there ; what's the best way to build MythTV on a Mythbuntu box and install it without totally screwing up your existing install?
[19:56] <rhpot1991> awilkins: use another box or use virtualbox
[19:57] <awilkins> rhpot1991: I suppose what I mean is, how do I build it with the Mythbuntu customizations
[19:57] <rhpot1991> apt-get source mythtv?
[19:58] <awilkins> I'm no stranger to building MythTV, I was running trunk up until just before the Qt4 merge
[19:58] <rhpot1991> or check out the bzr branch?
[19:58] <awilkins> rhpot1991: I'm trying to find the bzr branch, there's this enormous list of them on the Mythbuntu project page on LP
[19:59] <awilkins> All I want to do is backmerge some trunk fixes relating to not-totally-wrong-seektables-on-DVB and build/install it
[19:59] <rhpot1991> awilkins: https://launchpad.net/mythtv
[19:59] <awilkins> Heh, my fault for looking at mythbuntu first
[20:49] <RealNitro> any lirc experts around?
[20:55]  * awilkins is not an expert but may have advice
[21:33] <awilkins> RealNitro: lirc?
[21:37] <RealNitro> awilkins: Linux Infrared Remote Control (I think)
[21:38] <awilkins> RealNitro: Yes, you were asking for help?
[21:38] <RealNitro> yeah
[21:38] <RealNitro> LIRC is something like my nemesis
[21:38] <RealNitro> years ago I got it to work on gentoo
[21:38] <awilkins> Sounds just like me :-)
[21:38] <RealNitro> one day it stopped working, since then it never did
[21:39] <RealNitro> I tested my remote using winlirc yesterday
[21:39] <RealNitro> and it still works
[21:39] <RealNitro> but on Linux I can't get it working
[21:39] <awilkins> Are you still on Gentoo? And what's your hardware?
[21:39] <RealNitro> (Pinnacle PCTV pro remote)
[21:40] <RealNitro> I'm on mythbuntu now
[21:40] <RealNitro> hardy
[21:40] <RealNitro> the remote comes with a serial port receiver and uses the pinsys driver
[21:41] <awilkins> My remote is rather different because it has a kernel event driver
[21:41] <awilkins> Uses dev/event
[21:41] <RealNitro> I wish mine did :)
[21:42] <RealNitro> I tested all inputs today using irw
[21:42] <RealNitro> it's not there :)
[21:42] <RealNitro> s/input/event input/
[21:42] <awilkins> Does your /etc/lircd.conf just say "include /usr/share/lirc/remotes/pinnacle_systems/lircd.conf/pctv" >
[21:43] <awilkins> ?>
[21:43] <awilkins> Do you have that file?
[21:43] <RealNitro> it did
[21:43] <RealNitro> and I copied the actual file over it :)
[21:44] <awilkins> I'm trying to work out where the right port gets set
[21:44] <RealNitro> ?
[21:44] <awilkins> Aha, how about /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ?
[21:45] <RealNitro> that's a custom file now
[21:46] <RealNitro> I have mostly been trying to run lircd with -n and --driver=... --device=... to get more feedback
[21:47] <awilkins> Hmmph, I suppose you've tried all the /dev/ttyS0, 1, 2, 3, etc
[21:48] <RealNitro> yep
[21:48] <RealNitro> the only one working is /dev/lirc0
[21:48] <awilkins> And are using the pinsys driver.
[21:48] <RealNitro> uhu
[21:48] <awilkins> Darn
[21:50] <RealNitro> I drives me so mad I've even brought the Linux device drivers book home from work to start learning how I can fix LIRC :p
[22:54] <dashs> What is required for "Fetch Channels from Listings source" do I need  to have subscribed to a aervice for this?, can I test watching tv without it?
[23:03] <brucedougal> can i have help please
[23:03] <brucedougal> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f79fcc8ec
[23:06] <brucedougal> anyone there that can help? / would like to help?
[23:09] <brucedougal> very new to ubuntu and linux doing ok setting pc up got drivers sorted (i think) got mythbuntu in as well thought i was doing ok then started to cofigure mythtv it all fell to bits
[23:14] <brucedougal> hi buntu that sounds like a name that should know some answers
[23:14] <buntu> Hi im new to mythbuntu .  I was playing around with the frontend and backend settings and now when i laund mythbuntu i get a light gray menu with only six options.  i no longer get the black menu with all of the options.  can somebody tell me what i did wrong? thanks
[23:15] <buntu> i think i chose wrong name then
[23:15] <brucedougal> lol
[23:15] <buntu> lol
[23:15] <buntu> im new to linux
[23:15] <brucedougal> oh ok never mind thought you wereb going to be my angle
[23:16] <brucedougal> angel even
[23:18] <brucedougal> iv only ever had grey menu with 6 options your the lucky one
[23:19] <buntu> when i first installed i got the black menu with all of the video card , theme , guide etc .  and now i get gray screen
[23:20] <Crelam> Greetings and Salutations.  I'm interested in building a MythBuntu box using one of those neat MSI Wind boxes.  I'm going to install the OS on a CF card and need to know what size card I should aquire.  How much space does the OS take up?
[23:25] <brucedougal> i used a fresh drive for my install nothing else on drive mythbuntu drivers etc no recordings etc have used 5.1 gb
[23:26] <hads> Interesting, I didn't expect it to be that big
[23:26] <brucedougal> but am no expert so that might be complete garbage
[23:27] <Crelam> One way or another, I should be safe with an 8 GB card then.
[23:27] <hads> Definitly
[23:27] <Crelam> As long as I don't have to buy a 16 GB.  Those things are expensive. ;)
[23:27] <brucedougal> i didnt think it would either was surprised when i looked
[23:28] <brucedougal> whats "cf"
[23:28] <Crelam> CF = Compact Flash
[23:28] <brucedougal> compact flash
[23:29] <brucedougal> yer yer just as i said it realised
[23:29] <brucedougal> you any help with linux or are you newbie?
[23:30] <Crelam> My Linux experience is very very limited.  Just to my Nokia Web Tablet.
[23:37] <Crelam> Thanks for the help folks.  Have a great evening.
[23:39] <brucedougal> any one here to help?
[23:46] <dashs> Worst user interface of all time


[11:47] <vicasecas___> hey guys I'm founding something weird, Chrome Browser keeps asking me to set it as default but it already is and actually is the only one i have installed, what am i doing wrong?
[11:51] <bgardner_> vicasecas___: If it's the only browser you have installed, maybe just tell it to stop checking if it is the default?
[11:55] <vicasecas___> bgardner_: how can i do that?
[11:59] <bgardner_> vicasecas___: Open Chrome and poke around in the general settings.  What you are asking about is a Chrome question, not an Ubuntu question (and I don't use Chrome so I can't be more specific about how to stop it checking).
[11:59] <bgardner_> vicasecas___: But what you describe is how any browser behaves.  If Firefox was doing this it would be the same answer: Tell Firefox to stop checking.
[11:59] <vicasecas___> yeah right, I've already tried that whit no chance but anyway I'll keep trying things :) thangs!
[12:00] <vicasecas___> by the way
[12:00] <vicasecas___> is there any site i can see the changes for the next release? I'm very excited with ubuntu gnome ! ^^ it's almost perfect (hate ubuntu software center thou).
[12:00] <vicasecas___> ?
[12:02] <bgardner_> Check the topic, that's where I would look.  (http://ubuntugnome.org/)
[18:36] <sammo> Trying to get gnome keyring working in epiphany on 15.10 (So I can save passwords). Any ideas? (I couldn't find any current bugs on launchpad)?
[19:01] <sasquatch_> is there a gnome 3 fork that re-adds categories to the right-hand side?
[21:47] <craysiii> is there a channel for shell scripting


[12:28] <SloMo> gn8 everbody
[01:55] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/gtranscode -  "transcode Pakage not available" - should something like this be reported somewhere?
[01:57] <crimsun> already reported in malone iirc
[01:57] <crimsun> you can compile transcode manually
[01:58] <crimsun> it may be in hoary-extras of ubp, too
[01:58] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/586
[01:58] <CarlFK> thanks
[02:00] <majic> okay, did apt-cdrom and added my cdrom to apt. Trying to do "pbuilder create --distribution hoary" to set up the chroot env to build packages however pbuilder is still complaining that it cannot find the cdrom. Anyone have this problem? The docs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto doesn't describe this problem
[02:01] <majic> I have the cdrom inserted and mounted and it's in my /apt/sources.list, when I do run "pbuilder create --distribution hoary" it errors out when trying to find stuff that is on the cdrom.
[02:01] <crimsun> hmm?
[02:02] <crimsun> you must not have edited your sources.list
[02:02] <majic> I tried removing the cdrom line in /apt/sources.list and it still complained
[02:03] <crimsun> I presume you mean the sources.list for your pbuilder
[02:03] <CarlFK> I have the transcode source (I have been building tc from source for years) - what does it take to make a .deb?  (guessing there is a URL I need to read)
[02:03] <crimsun> apt-get build-dep transcode
[02:03] <CarlFK> crimsun - um.... after ./configure && make?
[02:04] <crimsun> no, before
[02:04] <crimsun> majic: did you edit ~/.pbuilderrc ?
[02:04] <majic> yes
[02:04] <crimsun> majic: you don't need to pass --distribution
[02:05] <majic> I was following along on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:05] <majic> maybe that's not the best tutorial
[02:05] <bddebian> Worked For Me (tm)
[02:05] <bddebian> :-)
[02:06] <crimsun> majic: did it create the base.tar.gz successfully?
[02:07] <majic> not yet. I was editing the wrong sources list. I presume I need to remove the cdrom entry.
[02:07] <crimsun> yes
[02:07] <majic> I'm rerunning pbuilder now
[02:08] <bddebian> crimsun: You know much about UniverseUnmetDeps?
[02:08] <crimsun> bddebian: I haven't looked at it lately
[02:08] <crimsun> (sec)
[02:08] <bddebian> I mean, if I "fix" something, should I put it on REVU or just make a note on that page?
[02:09] <bddebian> not being an MOTU that is
[02:10] <crimsun> oh, if you're not a MOTU I presume it needs to go through REVU
[02:10] <crimsun> \sh probably will clarify
[02:17] <majic> I appreciate the help crimsun, this time it worked. I'm sure if I had a few more days experience using Ubuntu I would have had enough common sense to have removed that line myself.
[02:17] <majic> I spun my wheels for over an hour doing the same crap over and over with the same error =)
[02:17] <bddebian> crimsun: OK, thx
[02:18] <crimsun> majic: oh don't worry, I got tripped up by 99update-notifier for a bit
[02:18] <crimsun> after a while it becomes monotonous setting up pbuilders :)
[02:19] <CarlFK> building tc - autoreconf -f -i  "aclocal: configure.in: 26: macro `AM_PROG_AS' not found in library"
[02:19] <crimsun> did you libtoolize?
[02:19] <CarlFK> um.. is that a verb? ;)
[02:20] <majic> I'm going to attempt to fix the Ruby package to the latest stable release [1.8.2] , I'm probably biting off more than I can chew but we'll see.
[02:20] <crimsun> CarlFK: it's both a verb and a command (ugh)
[02:21] <CarlFK> my tc installs have been on RH and gentoo - first time on ubuntu
[02:21] <crimsun> CarlFK: did you check if transcode is in hoary-extras?
[02:21] <CarlFK> not to mention I never quite know what I am doing ;)
[02:22] <crimsun> will save you quite a bit of time if it is in that repo
[02:22] <CarlFK> indeed.  I don't see it in http://packages.ubuntu.com - where is extras?
[02:24] <bddebian> crimsun: Are you taking care of the xfce stuff on MOTUToMerge?
[02:24] <crimsun> bddebian: Jani and I are, yep
[02:25] <crimsun> bddebian: those will all be moot after the merge from os-works
[02:25] <bddebian> Ah OK
[02:33] <CarlFK> using deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted - I get transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>30710-1.2) but it is not installable
[02:33] <CarlFK> it that fixable, or is it build from source time?
[02:34] <crimsun> I don't know if hoary-extras is built from breezy
[02:35] <CarlFK> im working on a hoary box
[02:36] <crimsun> ah, it's in hoary/universe
[02:36] <crimsun> check apt-cache policy libavifile-0.7c102
[02:37] <CarlFK> whoops, this is a breezy box... doh
[02:37] <CarlFK> they are both desktop boxes - I got confused ;)
[02:43] <CarlFK> libavifile-0.7c102:   Installed: (none)  Candidate: (none)  Version table:
[02:43] <crimsun> you don't appear to have hoary/universe enabled on that install
[02:44] <CarlFK> I can do that?
[02:44] <CarlFK> on a breezy box?
[02:44] <crimsun> I wouldn't.
[02:45] <CarlFK> this is kinda a play box, so as long as it doesn't catch fire I am not to worried about it getting screwed up
[02:46] <crimsun> Breezy has libavifile-0.7 in universe
[02:46] <crimsun> it looks like you'll need to pull the source for transcode from hoary-extras and tweak debian/control, then compile it yourself. You'll need libavifile-0.7-dev
[02:47] <CarlFK> why hoary-extras and not cvs (which I allready have)
[02:47] <CarlFK> I know:
[02:48] <CarlFK> i need debian/control, which is in the hoary-extras package, right?
[02:49] <bddebian> It's in all debian/Ubuntu packages :-)
[02:49] <Amaranth> hoary-extras doesn't have source
[02:49] <CarlFK> im getting dizzy
[02:49] <crimsun> CarlFK: you don't _have_ to use hoary-extras. I simply suggested that in case it was compiled. Looks like you'll have to compile it manually regardless.
[02:50] <Amaranth> gradzac: You're from Omaha?
[02:50] <CarlFK> ok, which brings us back to libtoolize, which I ran, and still get "aclocal: configure.in: 26: macro `AM_PROG_AS' not found in library"
[02:51] <gradzac> do you have autoconf installed?
[02:51] <CarlFK> yes
[02:52] <crimsun> what version of automake?
[02:57] <CarlFK> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[02:58] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:58] <crimsun> afternoon, ajmitch
[02:59] <crimsun> CarlFK: I don't know offhand if you'll need to upgrade automake versions (~1.9)
[03:00] <CarlFK> yup - tc readme: To do this you need _recent_ versions of autoconf (>= 2.59), automake (>= 1.8) and libtool (>= 1.5)
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:13] <CarlFK> ah, the ver is in the package name... automake1.8
[03:13] <crimsun> indeed
[03:15] <CarlFK> and I have to apt-get remove autoconf too.
[03:15] <CarlFK> er
[03:15] <CarlFK> automake
[03:52] <gradzac> anyone know if someone is working on updating the version of Glade in ubuntu??
[03:54] <Amaranth> to what?
[03:55] <Amaranth> the latest release is 2.10.0, which we have
[03:55] <gradzac> ahh...my bad, there is a glade-2 package
[03:58] <CarlFK> ah, the ver is in the package name... automake1.8 ;)
[03:59] <CarlFK> it should just know
[04:00] <Amaranth> err
[04:00] <Amaranth> how does apt automagically know what you're compiling and what version of automake it needs to give you the correct version?
[04:02] <CarlFK> automagic.
[04:02] <CarlFK> im just kidding
[04:02] <crimsun> Amaranth: alternatives
[04:02] <CarlFK> there should be an autohell package that installs all of them
[04:03] <CarlFK> and then a script that tries each version untill something works
[04:03] <crimsun> autohell_0.1 is NEW
[04:03] <CarlFK> that way I would have 0.0 chance of knowing what is going on.
[04:03] <CarlFK> as opposed to this "I think I got it" feeling that leads to hours disapearing
[04:20] <gradzac> Amaranth: yes, I live near Omaha
[04:20] <Amaranth> gradzac: Cool, my grandparents live there.
[04:20] <gradzac> CarlFK: automake, autoconf....all give me headaches
[04:21] <gradzac> Amaranth: hopefully you are some place that is not as hot/humid as it is here
[04:21] <Amaranth> gradzac: haha, Sioux City, Iowa
[04:21] <Amaranth> so yeah, it's just as hot and humid
[04:22] <gradzac> yup :(
[04:23] <Amaranth> well...hi from 100mi north! :)
[04:27] <gradzac> Amaranth: heh...didn't know they had the internet in Iowa :)
[04:28] <Amaranth> *smack*
[04:33] <CarlFK> Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol
[04:34] <gradzac> thats a messy protocol....it drops packets all over the place
[04:34] <CarlFK> heh
[04:34] <bddebian> heh
[04:34] <Lathiat> hahaha
[04:34] <Lathiat> that just made my day
[04:38] <CarlFK> according to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt that is an audit trail.
[04:38] <gradzac> oh yeah...I forgot there was an RFC for that :)
[04:38] <CarlFK> there is a way larger version of this somewhere
[04:39] <CarlFK> or maybe not...
[05:56] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[05:57] <Burgundavia> \sh, if I feed you .desktop files, will you do the package editing stuff (I don't have time to play with learning that right now)
[05:58] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm just reverting the c++ lib rename on libsdl-sound1.2 if you don't mind :)
[05:58] <\sh> Burgundavia: sure..
[05:58] <\sh> ajmitch: thx
[05:58] <\sh> *argl*
[05:58] <ajmitch> as it's one of a number that export a C interface
[05:58] <ajmitch> annoying, I know
[05:58] <\sh> ajmitch: it was written on the list ,-)
[05:58] <ajmitch> yeah, but we've got a different name than debian now
[05:58] <bddebian> \sh: Got any suggestions of things for me to look at next?
[05:59] <\sh> bddebian: did u get any mail from katie concerning pmock?
[05:59] <\sh> ajmitch: when it's not a c++ lib, I think it's correct to revert it
[05:59] <bddebian> \sh: No, I don't think so
[06:00] <ajmitch> \sh: well, it's a C++ lib
[06:00] <\sh> bddebian: please check, when your email addr is whitelisted by elmo
[06:00] <ajmitch> but doesn't export the symbols as that
[06:00] <ajmitch> thanks to our friend extern "C"
[06:00] <bddebian> Aren't only MOTUs whitelisted?
[06:00] <\sh> eeks
[06:00] <\sh> bddebian: no everybody who contribute to universe should be whitelisted
[06:01] <bddebian> Do I contribute? ;-)
[06:01] <\sh> bddebian: because only whitelisted email addresses will get replies from katie if the package is accepted or not, even when it's a sponsored upload
[06:01] <\sh> bddebian: yes
[06:02] <\sh> bddebian: you can ask stoopid questions, dude :)
[06:02] <\sh> ajmitch: then revert it pls :)
[06:02] <ajmitch> \sh: doing so, it was already noted as that in bugzilla :)
[06:03] <ajmitch> since the debian maintainer questioned the transition
[06:04] <\sh> bddebian: I'm just curious cause I've uploaded pmock with your changelog entry, and I don't receive any mail from katie, cause it would send you the mail if it's accepted or not, and I didn't receive any mail from breezy-changes
[06:05] <\sh> Burgundavia: u r refering to my mail on ubuntu-devel (couple of minutes ago?)
[06:05] <bddebian> \sh: Ah, OK.  Am I to request whitelisting from elmo?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> \sh, yes
[06:06] <\sh> bddebian: wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[06:06] <\sh> Burgundavia: I thought so..I should shut the fck up early in the morning ;)
[06:06] <Burgundavia> \sh, I beat you. Why not to blog when very tired --> http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=21
[06:08] <\sh> Burgundavia: oh I blogged as well this morning...giving a nice trackback to Jorges Plaxo article ;)
[06:08] <ajmitch> gah
[06:08] <ajmitch> thanks for reminding me that I haven't wasted enough time reading planets today :)
[06:09] <Burgundavia> ouch
[06:09] <\sh> funny ideas I have in the early morning hours...I'm mental ill I think totally paranoid
[06:09] <Burgundavia> that plaxo stuff is evil.     REVU?
[06:28] <\sh> bddebian: no..put it on the wiki page
[06:28] <\sh> with your and stuff..provide at least a debdiff somewhere..if you need webspace, ask me pls :)
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: Does anyone look at that? ;-P
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: what do u think? *blink*
[06:30] <ajmitch> no, we spend all our time here talking :)
[06:31] <\sh> ajmitch: not me...I'm sitting half naked in front of my laptop and I wanted to go and have a shower..but anyways...I will go later to work ,-) nobodies rushing me and I'm not on the run
[06:32] <ajmitch> heh
[06:33] <ajmitch> time for me to write some more scripts tonight, comparing library names in debian & ubuntu :)
[06:33] <Burgundavia> somebody asking for a gnome-power-manager backport
[06:33] <bddebian> Ack
[06:34] <\sh> jesus...
[06:34] <ajmitch> I think we'll revert any c++ unneeded transitions, and rebuild packages that depend on them
[06:34] <ajmitch> painful, but less pain than doing it later
[06:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well look at libgdal1 :-)
[06:35] <\sh> whats with libgdal?
[06:35] <\sh> whats with libgdal1?
[06:35] <ajmitch> I don't see any libgdal1
[06:35] <bddebian> Dunno but grass depends on it and it libgdal1c2 now :)
[06:35] <\sh> yes right
[06:35] <ajmitch> ah there we go..
[06:36] <\sh> bddebian: so recompile
[06:36] <\sh> gras
[06:36] <\sh> s
[06:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: probably just one of the main apps that need rebuilt, unless you're sure that it's a C interface
[06:36] <ajmitch> s/main/many/
[06:36] <bddebian> \sh: Not if ajmitch is going to rename it :-)
[06:36] <\sh> bddebian: no..he's not renaming it
[06:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: I haven't looked at it that close yet
[06:37] <ajmitch> bddebian:  I'm only going to revert renames on those libs that didn't need renamed
[06:37] <ajmitch> doing otherwise would be stupid :)
[06:37] <bddebian> Heh
[06:37] <ajmitch> and would cause \sh to hunt me down
[06:37] <\sh> hehe
[06:38] <\sh> bddebian: before u start with unmetdeps..you should read
[06:38] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition
[06:38] <\sh> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList
[06:39] <\sh> most of the apps on unmetdeps have unmetdeps cause they need some rebuild love cause of the cxx transition
[06:39] <ajmitch> rebuilds are mostly done by those who can upload
[06:39] <\sh> but u have to check as well the changelogs...cause doko rebuild some already
[06:39] <ajmitch> since it's only a changelog entry in most cases
[06:39] <ajmitch> I find it easiest to look on my gmail account
[06:39] <\sh> and a buildX to the version
[06:39] <ajmitch> nice & simple to search breezy-changes there ;)
[06:40] <\sh> I'm not allowed anymore to use gmail in germany..cause of shitty trademarks of a german idiot...who prevent google of spreading gmail to germany ,-)
[06:41] <\sh> s/of/from/
[06:41] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:42] <ajmitch> hasn't someone been to his house & 'visited' him?
[06:42] <\sh> ajmitch: problem is..he's not living in germany, but on some island...he knows why ,-)
[06:42] <\sh> bloody stupid rich child with no brain
[06:43] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: good news
[06:45] <ajmitch> gdal looks like it might be another C interfaced lib :)
[06:46] <\sh> ok...gdal.h is c callable
[06:47] <ajmitch> yes, as well as a number of other headers
[06:47] <ajmitch> I haven't done any exhaustive review of the headers that get installed or the library symbols
[06:47] <\sh> I hate this
[06:48] <\sh> all the work for nothing...but anyways..false positives
[06:48] <ajmitch> it's ok..
[06:48] <ajmitch> most of the work that was done was very useful
[06:50] <\sh> ok...have to rush now...shower, leaving for office
[06:50] <bddebian> Later \sh, I'm leaving for bed :-)
[06:50] <\sh> cu later
[06:50] <ajmitch> bye
[06:50] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:50] <\sh> bddebian: have a good night :)
[06:50] <bddebian> Thx
[06:50] <\sh> later ajmitch
[07:35] <crimsun> I really should install ccache
[08:11] <\sh> re
[08:11] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[08:12] <ajmitch> welcome back :)
[10:23] <robitaille> Malone needs so much love...
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, does malone spit out to a mailing list?
[10:24] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: no, it sends mail cc: everyone
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:24] <Burgundavia> for all the MOTU stuff
[10:25] <robitaille> I have been assigning universe packages to motu...so a lot of cc emails  have been going around.  Sorry about the spam.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> be glad you are not still subscribed to the wiki
[10:25] <Burgundavia> been spamming those people as well
[10:25] <Treenaks> robitaille: no problem... malone needs a special header to filter on thouguh
[10:25] <Treenaks> though
[10:27] <robitaille> Treenaks: the "from" header seems to always come from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:27] <Burgundavia> at least it comes from a decent email now
[10:27] <Treenaks> robitaille: yes, but I hate the From: header :)
[10:27] <Burgundavia> before it use to come from no-reply, which made sorting impossible
[10:28] <robitaille> but I'm now going to bed.  So I'm done for the night :)
[10:31] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: only dholbach & I are crazy enough to be subscribed to the whole wiki, right?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, robitaille was
[10:31] <ajmitch> ah
[10:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are going to get about 300 more emails in the next few days
[10:32] <ajmitch> malone does have the X-Generated-By: Launchpad (canonical.com)
[10:32] <ajmitch> I can handle it :)
[10:32] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes, but I want malone mail to be different from other launchpad mail :)
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, if you don't like their email handling, bitch about it
[10:32] <ajmitch> Treenaks: heh, I don't get any other launchpad mail :)
[10:32] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: what do you think I'm doing? :P
[10:32] <Burgundavia> file a bug in malone about it
[10:32] <ajmitch> Treenaks: what other lp mail do you see?
[10:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: uh.. not much really :)
[10:33] <Treenaks> ajmitch: not yet anyway...
[11:00] <spafbnerf> HURROAW
[11:00] <spafbnerf> erm.
[11:00] <spafbnerf> i want to package games, for ubuntu... whats the process to get them included in universe? :)
[11:01] <Treenaks> spafbnerf: the preferred way is get them into debian first
[11:01] <Treenaks> but otherwise, read wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:13] <ajmitch> new packages get put up for review, we take a look at them when we can
[11:32] <Amaranth> good night all
[11:34] <ajmitch> night Amaranth
[12:04] <spafbnerf> coolio, thx chaps...
[12:05] <spafbnerf> there r sum real nice titles which r missing from the packages ;)
[04:37] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep transcode && ./configure && make
[04:37] <CarlFK> now what?
[04:39] <CarlFK> there isn't a motu mail list or news group?
[04:39] <tseng> no.
[04:39] <tseng> ubuntu-devel
[04:39] <CarlFK> k
[04:46] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/586
[04:47] <CarlFK> how do I add info?
[04:47] <CarlFK> or shoudl I post to -devel and cc bigsmoke
[04:52] <robitaille> CarlFK:  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/586  then click on "add a comment"
[04:53] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:54] <robitaille> actually it is "New comment on this bug"....
[04:54] <CarlFK> i figured that out ;)
[04:56] <CarlFK> now that I got the transcode souce to compile, how do I make a .deb?
[05:00] <robitaille> CarlFK: if you are going to work on #586, maybe the bug should be assigned to you :)
[05:01] <CarlFK> sure... sign me up
[05:02] <CarlFK> or do I sign me up?
[05:07] <siretart> CarlFK: it would be great if you could attach an .debdiff with the modifications you did to the sourcepackage. at least try to describe what parts you had to change
[05:09] <CarlFK> no changes
[05:09] <robitaille> CarlFK: #586 is now yours :)
[05:09] <CarlFK> oh boy...
[05:10] <CarlFK> so this deb thing... crimson lead me to belive it was "easy" and then left ;)
[05:11] <majic> CarlFK: I'm currently reading over the docs on how to build packages: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ there is alot of information to digest and it doesn't look all that easy from a n00b perspective...
[05:12] <CarlFK> crimsun!!!
[05:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:13] <majic> bddebian: hello
[05:13] <bddebian> Hello majic
[05:14] <CarlFK> majic - thanks for the link - reading it now
[05:14] <majic> CarlFK: I got spoiled using Gentoo where there are about a bazillion developers and shit gets fixed before you even realize it was broke...
[05:15] <majic> so as far as building packages I'm a complete n00b
[05:15] <majic> but I want to get into working on stuff for Ubuntu
[05:15] <CarlFK> ditto, ditto
[05:16] <bddebian> Heresy
[05:16] <bddebian> :-)
[05:16] <majic> I'd like to help fix the Ruby package, I got the src and started looking over it but currently don't know where to begin to help out
[05:16] <majic> bug # 12613
[05:17] <majic> the ruby package looks quite complex from my initial observation lots of patches and stuff. Can't figure out why they aren't just using the standard source package for 1.8.2 instead of a beta with a bunch of patches
[05:18] <CarlFK> is there a list of the packages I need to isntall?
[05:18] <bddebian> CarlFK: For what?
[05:18] <CarlFK> without the comments, somehting I can cut/paste after an apt-get command
[05:18] <majic> CarlFK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources , I'm using pbuilder
[05:26] <bddebian> ogra: Who is responsible for the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page?
[05:26] <robitaille> note for anyone with admin access to MOTU's launchpad team page (https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/motu), there is  a typo in the description on that page ("oneas" instead of "ones")
[05:27] <tseng> bddebian: everyone
[05:27] <bddebian> tseng: What I mean is, who can make sure that the list is updated/correct ?   I.E. who generated the list?
[05:27] <tseng> probably dholbach
[05:27] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[05:27] <tseng>  but you can make sure it is updated and correct
[05:28] <bddebian> tseng: I'm not sure how he generated it, that's part of why I was asking :-)  I wonder if he used "apt-cache unmet" ??
[05:28] <tseng> i gues
[05:28] <tseng> with some awk and stuff
[05:29] <bddebian> Aye.  That's my problem.  My regexp-fu, awk-fu, etc is severely lacking so I'm not sure the best way to rip out the "suggest" broken deps vs. the real broken deps :_)
[05:30] <tseng> apt-cache unmet | grep -v Suggests: | awk {'print $2'}
[05:30] <tseng> you mean this?
[05:31] <tseng> daniel should put the commands he runs at the top of the file
[05:31] <tseng> for consistancy
[05:31] <bddebian> tseng: I hate you :-)
[05:36] <tseng> bddebian: sorry.
[05:37] <tseng> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/shellsrptg/
[05:37] <tseng> if you have time for a book, this one looks really good
[05:37] <bddebian> tseng: I'm kidding, I appreciate it.  THere is sooo much I need to learn. :'-(
[05:38] <tseng> grep -v = show things that dont match the next arg
[05:38] <tseng> awk is dead easy
[05:38] <tseng> print $2 = print the second column
[05:40] <bddebian> I actually knew the grep -v part but I am totally clueless wrt awk :-)
[05:48] <bddebian> Heya Mez
[05:49] <Mez> hey bddebian
[06:02] <DanielN> hrmpf
[06:02] <DanielN> i couldn't sign on to REVU
[06:02] <siretart> DanielN: did you upload any package? what is your email you used for uploading packages?
[06:03] <DanielN> uploading? i haven't any uploading privileges
[06:03] <DanielN> ah
[06:03] <DanielN> you mean uploading to revu
[06:03] <DanielN> i tried with my wiki account
[06:04] <siretart> DanielN: revu is not connected to the launchpad, I use my own userdatabase ;)
[06:04] <DanielN> ok
[06:05] <DanielN> then i can order an account? :)
[06:05] <bddebian> Which reminds me, I still haven't gotten a confirmation on my signed CoC??
[06:05] <siretart> DanielN: you give me your keyid, I add you to the keyring, you upload a package, bang, you have an account ,)
[06:05] <DanielN> ok just a minute
[06:06] <Mo42> siretart: that reminds me that you wanted to review my gnomeradio package ;)
[06:07] <siretart> Mo42: sorry, not today :(
[06:07] <DanielN> siretart, arghs.. which one is the key-id again?
[06:07] <Mo42> siretart: no problem...
[06:10] <Mo42> btw: is there a way for a non-motu to help with UniverseUnmetDeps?
[06:11] <DanielN> siretart, B8F706B7 could this be possible?
[06:11] <siretart> DanielN: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xB8F706B7
[06:11] <DanielN> ok
[06:12] <siretart> DanielN: done, you may upload now
[06:12] <DanielN> thanks siretart :)
[06:13] <Mez> Mo42, yes, make debdiffs and send them to a MOTU ro review and upload
[06:15] <Mo42> okay, thanks... i will have a look at the list...
[06:17] <Mo42> seems that the list is a bit out of date...
[06:17] <Mo42> kile is on that list but i am using it on breezy/amd64 ;)
[06:19] <Mo42> same with gxine...
[06:19] <bddebian> Mo42: It is out of date.  Use: "apt-cache unmet | grep -v Suggests: | awk {'print $2'}" (with thanks to tseng :-) )
[06:21] <Mo42> okay, thanks
[06:25] <ogra> bddebian, we just phoned.. i think he'll show up today :)
[06:27] <dholbach> hellas
[06:27] <DanielN> revu is stucking :/
[06:27] <dholbach> oh it's still REVIEW DAY!
[06:27] <dholbach> SUPERB!
[06:27] <bddebian> ogra: OK :-)
[06:27] <bddebian> Hey, speak of the devil :-)
[06:27] <bddebian> Hi dholbach
[06:27] <dholbach> hey bddebian, how's it going?
[06:27] <siretart> DanielN: why?
[06:27] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[06:28] <dholbach> hi siretart
[06:28] <ogra> dholbach, nope its transition, fix unmet deps, day... :)
[06:28] <dholbach> that's everyday :)
[06:28] <dholbach> oh, it's motu report day
[06:28] <siretart> DanielN: you just uploaded http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=288, did you?
[06:28] <bddebian> dholbach: Fine thanks.    DId you use apt-cache unmet?
[06:29] <dholbach> let's gather some comments for the MOTU report! how is life? being in motu land? these days? :)
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: yes
[06:29] <bddebian> dholbach: Can we (you?) update the list?  I think it's stale :)
[06:29] <bddebian> Or I can do it if you like
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: and just listed the source packages
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: i can do that, no problem
[06:30] <bddebian> dholbach: Thank you
[06:30] <dholbach> just gather some comments on MOTU to do some serious recruiting :-p
[06:30] <bddebian> ??
[06:30] <dholbach> where's the motu marketing department? :)
[06:30] <dholbach> bddebian: i'm writing the motu report every month to show how   C O O L   it is to be part of the story
[06:31] <dholbach> :)
[06:31] <bddebian> Heh
[06:31] <dholbach> (ok and to report... actually)
[06:31] <bddebian> You don't want my opinion then :-)
[06:31] <dholbach> of course
[06:31] <dholbach> you're part of MOTU land
[06:31] <bddebian> Not yet :-)
[06:32] <siretart> bddebian: you are nearly a motu, you do nearly the same stuff as the people how have to upload their work ;)
[06:32] <dholbach> of course - you hang out with us all day and do some serious work - even if your name doesnt show up on breezy-changes - you should chang that
[06:33] <bddebian> Well, my only issue/concern is knowing getting a good idea of what to focus on and cross contaminating work.  For example some packages cross between UnmetDeps and Merge
[06:33] <bddebian> s/knowing//
[06:34] <dholbach> bddebian: you do better work than a bunch of motus who were already approved :)
[06:34] <bddebian> I do? :-)
[06:34] <dholbach> yes
[06:38] <bddebian> dholbach: OK good, thanks.  Now what should I work on? :-)
[06:39] <dholbach> is everything fixed already? :)
[06:41] <bddebian> I'm stuck on MOTUToMerge for now.  I was thinking about going back to UniverseUnmetDeps?
[06:42] <Mo42> i have a package with unmet dependencies that just need to be rebuild. what should i do now?
[06:43] <dholbach> Mo42: make sure it really builds and works you want it to, add a debian/changelog entry, do a debdiff, upload it to somewhere, tell elmo/infinity to add your name to the whitelist, let somebody upload the package with applied debdiff
[06:43] <bddebian> Mo42: My understanding is post your stuff (including debdiff) somewhere and put it on the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page for an MOTU to review
[06:44] <dholbach> REVU is fine too, ticking it off on the list (universeunmetdeps) is cool too
[06:44] <siretart> dholbach: for such small debdiff, I don't think that revu is that well suited
[06:45] <dholbach> ok
[06:45] <bddebian> Gah, I was told not to put it on REVU.. This is what I'm talking about dholbach.  There isn't much "consistency" on HOW things should be done :_)
[06:45] <siretart> in the current for, I try to improve that with revu2
[06:45] <bddebian> Just "constructive criticism" btw :)
[06:45] <siretart> current form
[06:45] <dholbach> bddebian: you can always do it in a million different ways :)
[06:45] <dholbach> bddebian: i just realized that i have too many locally installed packages, which make the output for universeunmetdeps a bit unsuitable :/
[06:46] <Mo42> is it save to edit the wikipage now? or are you updating it atm?
[06:46] <bddebian> dholbach: Well I mean as far as putting it in front of an MOTU. :-)
[06:46] <siretart> bddebian: you could try creating or improving a wiki page describing HOW things should be done, so if anyone tells you otherwise, point him to that page .)
[06:46] <dholbach> Mo42: go ahead
[06:46] <bddebian> siretart: I don't feel comfortable since I am not an MOTU yet.  I certainly don't want to try to drive policy.
[06:47] <Mo42> oh well, just forgot that i have to do a changelog-entry first...
[06:47] <dholbach> bddebian: somebody will correct you and there's always #ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel@ or the motu-meeting
[06:47] <siretart> bddebian: just go ahead and poke someone about that. It's ok..
[06:47] <dholbach> bddebian: and in a lot of spaces there is a lot of policy to be still done :)
[06:47] <bddebian> OK
[06:47] <bddebian> bbiam
[06:49] <dholbach> ok... what happened in the last month in motu land? :)
[06:50] <Treenaks> dholbach: Well, we decided we weren't necessary anymore, and disbanded.
[06:50] <Treenaks> :P
[06:50] <Treenaks> dholbach: how's your uni stuff going?
[06:51] <dholbach> Treenaks: i see - i'm going to report that :)
[06:51] <dholbach> Treenaks: fine, still a lot to do, but i'm doing progress thanks - how are you?
[06:51] <Treenaks> dholbach: I'm fine.. really waiting for vacation now :)
[06:52] <dholbach> cool :)
[06:52] <dholbach> when will it be?
[06:53] <Treenaks> dholbach: sept 03 - 16 (of which 3 - 5 I'll be in Berlin)
[06:54] <dholbach> cool
[07:03] <bddebian> Treenaks: lol
[07:03] <Mo42> okay, added debdiff for gltron to unmetdeps wiki page
[07:04] <bddebian> Mo42: Did you actually use debdiff to generate the debdiff?
[07:04] <Mo42> yes
[07:04] <Mo42> why do you ask?
[07:05] <bddebian> Hmm, debdiff has been b0rked for me, I'll have to try it again
[07:05] <bddebian> Heya jbailey :-)
[07:06] <jbailey> Heya Barry
[07:07] <siretart> do you know what makes me sad: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2005/08/msg00100.html (sorry, german)
[07:09] <Mez> german makes you sad/
[07:09] <Mez> ?
[07:10] <siretart> german m*r*ns like the one who posted that..
[07:10] <ogra> bddebian, s/chopped/funnyfied
[07:10] <ogra> :)
[07:10] <bddebian> :-)
[07:11] <dholbach> siretart: forget about trolls
[07:11] <siretart> sorry for violating the coc. I shouldn't have said that..
[07:11] <dholbach> siretart: forget it :)
[07:11] <siretart> dholbach: you are right. but I find that very offending :(
[07:11] <bddebian> Hmm, I haven't gotten acknowledgement of my signed CoC yet, does that mean I can lambast everyone?? :-)
[07:12] <dholbach> siretart: it is, but it just drains energy
[07:12] <jbailey> ogra: I have this problem that in Spanish when I say "No habla Espanol" my accent is good enough that they don't beleive me.
[07:12] <Mez> > > hello Ludwig, > > > > is Debian. here > > hello Felix - and here are tolerant humans.  Thus I am rather intolerant in the reference to the Judas Linux.  -- MfG etc..  Werner Mahr registered Linuxuser:  295882
[07:12] <bddebian> jbailey: :-)
[07:12] <Mez> is what I cna understand of it
[07:12] <jbailey> ogra: For some reason in Germany when I said "Ein Nein Schprech Deutsche", I didn't have the same trouble...
[07:12] <ogra> jbailey, hehe
[07:12] <Mez> siretart, what are they basically saying?
[07:12] <ogra> jbailey, but it brings acrross what you mean *g*
[07:13] <Amaranth> yay, wxwidgets2.6
[07:13] <jbailey> ogra: Totally.  =)
[07:13] <ogra> Amaranth, now fix the apps :)
[07:13] <bddebian> heh
[07:13] <Amaranth> ogra: haha
[07:14] <Amaranth> ogra: if someone still hasn't fixed vlc by the time i've got smeg 0.8 finished consider it done
[07:14] <ogra> heh...
[07:14] <bddebian> Amaranth: I think doko grabbed vlc from bugzilla from me
[07:14] <ogra> Amaranth, how's your OS situation ? do you have a running ubuntu now ?
[07:14] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm back to normal
[07:15] <Amaranth> fully upgraded breezy, minus 40GB of stuff
[07:15] <ogra> bddebian, yes, doko has a lot of sparetime to fill since he assigned me gcompris
[07:15] <bddebian> heh
[07:16] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png <--shouldn't take too long
[07:16] <Amaranth> i redid in one day what took me a month to do last time
[07:16] <doko> ogra: Je n'ais pas compris  ;-P
[07:17] <ogra> :-p
[07:17] <highvoltage> HELLO.  I've decided to change that, and that's why I'm here.
[07:17] <bddebian> highvoltage: Welcome then :-)
[07:18] <highvoltage> bddebian: thanks!
[07:18] <ogra> highvoltage, so it looks like you found the right place then ;)
[07:19] <bddebian> I am going to update the UniverseUnmetDeps list with dholbach 's script if that is OK with everyone?
[07:19] <ogra> bddebian, sure, go ahead
[07:19] <dholbach> bddebian: what do you do about the old entries?
[07:19] <bddebian> dholbach: The old entries?
[07:20] <dholbach> the old page, the packages the people said they were working on? :()
[07:20] <dholbach> :)
[07:20] <bddebian> I will update manually :-)
[07:20] <dholbach> ok, let's go :)
[07:22] <Nikopol> highvoltage: I'd start here if I were you: http://old.gpul.org/colaboraciones/dnmg/
[07:22] <dholbach> Nikopol: could you link that on  PackagingTips ?
[07:22] <Nikopol> sure
[07:23] <dholbach> super
[07:23] <sivang> hey dholbach
[07:23] <dholbach> ok, stick your hand up, who will be in one of the next TB meetings to go for MOTU? who belongs to the motu hopefuls?
[07:23] <sivang> dholbach: I heared that some work was done to have an ubuntu specific packaging guide, right?
[07:24] <dholbach> hey sivang
[07:24] <dholbach> sivang: tseng and ajmitch were working on it AFAIK
[07:24] <Nikopol> dholbach: Actually it's an older version of the dnmg from the one already there.
[07:24] <Nikopol> but I found it simpler ;)
[07:24] <dholbach> :)
[07:24] <sivang> dholbach: ah cool, becasue the new maintainer guide is not something to learn too much from , a mere intro nothing more
[07:24] <bddebian> dholbach: Maybe me
[07:25] <sivang> dholbach: how many packages do you need to have uploaded before you can be at the TB meeting ?
[07:26] <dholbach> sivang: we don't have a package number - it's more how comfortable the team in general feels with that person
[07:26] <bddebian> We are using the Dungeon Masters Guide for packaging?? ;-P
[07:26] <dholbach> hahaha
[07:26] <Treenaks> bddebian: roll a d20
[07:26] <bddebian> Treenaks: rofl
[07:26] <dholbach> bddebian: ok... that's one motu hopeful, who else?
[07:26] <Treenaks> You successfully package the software!
[07:26] <bddebian> hahaha
[07:27] <majic> Nikopol: that link isn't working for me
[07:28] <highvoltage> Nikopol: thanks
[07:28] <Nikopol> mmm - working fine here....
[07:28] <Nikopol> highvoltage: it is an old version of that but it's less full of extra information than the newer one
[07:28] <majic> weird, it's working now.
[07:28] <Nikopol> and hence easier to follow for the first packaging experience
[07:29] <Nikopol> majic: :) - ah well
[07:29] <dholbach> highvoltage: PackagingTips on the wiki is good too
[07:29] <majic> there is an updated version of this that I was reading this morning on the debian website
[07:29] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok. i'll bookmark all these pages, looks like a lot of reading.
[07:30] <dholbach> highvoltage: you'll be fine, apt-get source some other packages, use dh_make and set up a pbuilder :)
[07:30] <Nikopol> majic: yeah - it's an old version but it's missing all the replete little details a complete beginner doesn't really need to blow his head with
[07:31] <Nikopol> dholbach: what files is it you actually need to upload?
[07:31] <dholbach> Nikopol: .orig.tar.gz .dsc, .changes and .diff.gz
[07:31] <dholbach> phone.. brb
[07:31] <Nikopol> dholbach: ok - straight into Tomboy :)
[07:31] <CarlFK> what is the difference between building a pacage for ubuntu vs debian?
[07:31] <majic> Nikopol: ah.. that will serve me well then
[07:32] <Nikopol> majic: yeah. It took me ages to sift through the current version - there's too much details, caveats, outlandish outcomes and all that to give you a clear walkthru (IMHO)
[07:34] <majic> I've been spinning wheels for 2 days trying to figure out how to go about fixing a package that is currently broke in my opinion... Lots and lots of mundane details to sort through...
[07:34] <Nikopol> majic: I'm starting with a very simple program to start off with
[07:34] <Nikopol> what are you packaging?
[07:36] <majic> trying to fix the broken Ruby 1.8.2 beta package, trying to update it to 1.8.2 final
[07:36] <Nikopol> majic: wow - that's a lot of work I suspect! Good luck with that...
[07:37] <majic> yeah, which is why I haven't made it very far =)
[07:38] <majic> and the bug report isn't being  updated very much in bugzilla which would lead me to believe that it's not a very important thing to fix at the moment. But it affects Ruby on Rails 0.13.x which is why I want to fix it.
[07:39] <majic> it'd probably be easier to backport the Debian package as they have a working final 1.8.2 version of Ruby. But I don't have the experience yet to do that.
[07:45] <Mo42> i have a package (tagtool) with unmet dependencies, and a simple rebuild fixes that. should the next version be ...-1ubuntu2build1 oder -1ubuntu3?
[07:46] <Mo42> sorry, forget that ;)
[07:46] <Mo42> there is already a debdiff on the wikipage for that ;)
[07:54] <bddebian> OK, what's the quickest way to replace <cr/lf> with ", " in a file? :-)
[07:56] <Amaranth> some nasty perl?
[07:57] <bddebian> Bah, all I need to do is read each line and dump it out to line1, line2, line3.  I should be able to shell script that shouldn't I?
[07:58] <Amaranth> perl -i.bak -ple 's/\r\n|\n\r/, /g' file
[08:03] <bddebian> Nope
[08:03] <bddebian> :-(
[08:05] <ogra> Amaranth !!
[08:06] <ogra> bddebian, awk ?
[08:06] <Amaranth> ogra: I asked a perl freak for it, I dunno how it even works. :)
[08:07] <bddebian> ogra: I'm read awk man page right now :-)
[08:07] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, thats a feature of this language ;)
[08:07] <ogra> Amaranth, typically the guy who gave it to you doesnt know it either ;)
[08:15] <Mo42> bddebian: still trying to find a solution? or did Amaranth's perl-fu work?
[08:15] <bddebian> Mo42: No the perl stuff didn't work, trying to use awk :-)
[08:16] <Mo42> i have also tried it with perl... and finally have a working solution
[08:16] <Mo42> perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print ($_ . ","); }'
[08:16] <Mo42> (and the best thing: i even understand that *g*)
[08:18] <CarlFK> I don't think awk is going to do it.  - it works with one line at a time, not the whole blob of text (i think)
[08:18] <majic> Mo42: we all know perl coders don't write code that can be understood =)
[08:19] <Mo42> majic: i do not expect someone else to understand that ;) and i am NOT a perl coder ;)
[08:23] <CarlFK> bddebian - tr "\n" ,
[08:23] <CarlFK> pipe your file throught that
[08:24] <CarlFK> hmm, I am assuming your cr/lf turns into newlines
[08:26] <CarlFK> what is cr and lf in octal?
[08:26] <CarlFK> 15 and 13?
[08:28] <bddebian> Mo42: That worked perfectly, you DA MAN
[08:28] <bddebian>  :-)
[08:29] <Mo42> nice ;)
[08:29] <jamessan|work> CarlFK: 12 and 15 in octal.
[08:30] <CarlFK> thamks
[08:30] <CarlFK> tr "\012\015" ,
[08:30] <CarlFK> i think - I don't have a crlf file to test on
[08:31] <CarlFK> nope - that replaces the cr/lf with ,,
[08:32] <bddebian> OK, UniverseUnmetDeps is updated, though I need to double check the list.. :)
[08:32] <CarlFK> tr -d "015" |tr "\012" ,
[08:32] <CarlFK> there
[08:33] <CarlFK> few days late, but there.
[08:34] <jamessan|work> what if you're working on a mac file?
[08:39] <bddebian> CarlFK: Good job :-)
[08:40] <tseng> dholbach: Unfrgiven is working on it
[08:41] <CarlFK> bddebian - did you try it?
[08:43] <slomo> hi all :)
[08:44] <zAo^> lo slomo
[08:45] <tseng> huh
[08:45] <tseng> zao is like my favorite band ever
[08:46] <zAo^> tseng, :-)
[08:46] <slomo> yeah zao is fine :)
[08:46] <highvoltage> never heard of them
[08:46] <zAo^> hehe
[08:46] <crimsun> CarlFK: pong?
[08:46] <zAo^> good to hear so :)
[08:49] <highvoltage> Hi Riddell
[08:49] <bddebian> CarlFK: No, I used Mo42's perl :-)  Sorry
[08:49] <bddebian> Slomo!!!
[08:50] <slomo> bddebian! *hug* :)
[08:50] <slomo> dholbach: did you get my mail?
[08:52] <dholbach> tseng: ok
[08:52] <dholbach> slomo: yes
[08:52] <bddebian> Wow, I get a hug? :-)
[08:52] <dholbach> but i'm still on the phone
[08:52] <slomo> dholbach: ah ok, sorry
[08:52] <slomo> bddebian: sure ;)
[08:52] <dholbach> dont worry
[08:54] <bddebian> slomo: Thanks, I didn't think anyone here loved me.. ;-)
[08:54] <Amaranth> *hug*
[08:54] <Amaranth> :P
[08:55] <highvoltage> bddebian: i think you're okay.
[08:58] <bddebian> Aww,thanks guys :-)
[09:02] <bddebian> What is External supposed to mean on UniverseUnmetDeps??
[09:04] <chillywilly> barry you are teh sux
[09:04] <chillywilly> I mean...hi
[09:04] <chillywilly> :)
[09:11] <bddebian> WTF is up with my wiki-links??  I just edited UniverseUnmetDeps and both my MOTUToMerge and PBuilderHowTo links are jacked.. :-(
[09:14] <CarlFK> crimsun ping
[09:15] <doko> ogra, and anybody, who works with wxwindows2.4 and wxwidgets2.6: read the changelog, use wxversion, if you want to use a specifc wx version.
[09:20] <CarlFK> crimsun - I am off to the store for an hour or so.
[09:27] <bddebian> Can someone please look at: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMergeTips if they get a second.  It's very minimal but I need to know if I have anything REALLY wrong :-)
[09:36] <bddebian> Where'd everybody go? :-)
[09:36] <slomo> bddebian: here :) i'll have a look at it right now
[09:39] <highvoltage> i'm stil here. almost bed time though.
[09:40] <dholbach> so what did i forget: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-report.html
[09:41] <dholbach> your last chance to add a comment, a section or yourself to it - i surely forgot one or the other thing
[09:41] <dholbach> ( because i wasnt here so much :-( )
[09:41] <\sh> evening
[09:41] <\sh> *yawn*
[09:42] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[09:42] <bddebian> dholbach: Looks good
[09:43] <bddebian> \sh: Check out MOTUMergeTips if you get a sec and tell me how far off I am :-)
[09:43] <dholbach> ah... forgot categoryMotu
[09:43] <\sh> dholbach: when we have the virtserver for revu we can get rid of the wiki pages ,-)
[09:44] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[09:44] <\sh> bddebian: wow good work dude :)
[09:44] <\sh> hey slomo :)
[09:45] <siretart> dholbach: report looking great!
[09:45] <slomo> dholbach: imho the report is complete and correct :)
[09:45] <dholbach> thanks a lot, siretart, bddebian - any additions?
[09:46] <dholbach> honestly who in this room isnt mentioned on it?
[09:46] <\sh> what report?
[09:46] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-report.html
[09:46] <bddebian> dholbach: You forgot that \sh is MOTUMerge hero.. ;-)
[09:47] <dholbach> highvoltage: yeah... i saw you here for the first time, which means, i'm not here often enough - we haven't been introduced. who would be so kind? :)
[09:47] <\sh> dholbach: good one :)
[09:47] <ogra> dholbach, yes, you shopuld demote 2/3 of this report to praise \sh and the merge
[09:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: i'm new, so it's okay :)
[09:47] <slomo> bddebian: change dpkg-buildpackage / debuild to pbuilder in your wikipage :)
[09:47] <dholbach> highvoltage: how and when did you get here? - nice to meet you
[09:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: allow me to introduce myself.
[09:47] <slomo> bddebian: and the build-dep stuff can be removed
[09:47] <highvoltage> My name is Jonathan Carter.
[09:47] <\sh> ogra: shut the fck up...I'm really glad not to be named ;)
[09:48] <ogra> dholbach, highvoltage is my right hand for edubuntu ;) and the community master there
[09:48] <dholbach> oh COOL!
[09:48] <highvoltage> I learned to read by typing up little basic programs on my zx-spectrum when I was 6.
[09:48] <\sh> ogra: btw..g'evening :)
[09:48] <slomo> bddebian: other than that it's fine
[09:48] <ogra> \sh, hey
[09:48] <\sh> I have a brain crisis
[09:48] <highvoltage> i god my first "big" computer when I was 10, and started using Windwos 3.1 and MS-DOS.
[09:48] <bddebian> slomo: It's a wiki, fix it :-)
[09:48] <dholbach> highvoltage: where do you live?
[09:49] <highvoltage> i got offended by windows and microsoft, and I'm on a personal war to destroy them by the time i'm 30.
[09:49] <slomo> bddebian: please fix it yourself ;) i'm currently too busy :(
[09:49] <highvoltage> i'm in South Africa.
[09:49] <\sh> dholbach: another idea would be to have something like the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter ...on the wiki ,-)
[09:49] <\sh> highvoltage: where there?
[09:49] <dholbach> highvoltage: cool - and you're cracking on edubuntu?
[09:50] <highvoltage> in Cape Town, durbanville to be exact. a few streets away from sabdfl's mother.
[09:50] <dholbach> \sh: MOTUReportDraft on the wiki would be cool - everybody could just toss something there, something (s)he most cared about
[09:50] <bddebian> slomo: But I don't use pbuilder :-)
[09:50] <\sh> ogra: u didn't tell that highvoltage is another reliable source of biltong ,-)
[09:50] <bddebian> slomo: Well I use pbuilder login :)
[09:50] <ogra> \sh, aww, i forgot... so sorry....
[09:50] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:50] <\sh> highvoltage: I think I drove through this area...I'm not sure
[09:51] <slomo> bddebian: you should use pbuilder every time you fix a package ;) otherwise it's not garanteed that the build-depends are ok
[09:51] <highvoltage> yes, I will be hacking at edubuntu soon. ogra is a good mentor.
[09:51] <highvoltage> \sh: did I see you at the TSF offices last year?
[09:51] <dholbach> highvoltage: he and mvo pushed me in here as well :)
[09:51] <highvoltage> ogra++
[09:51] <\sh> highvoltage: no...i visited ZA in 2003
[09:51] <ogra> :=
[09:51] <ogra> :)
[09:52] <\sh> highvoltage: but 5 weeks is not enough
[09:52] <dholbach> highvoltage: nice to have you here - i added you to report as well :)
[09:52] <highvoltage> \sh: where are you located?
[09:52] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[09:52] <\sh> highvoltage: germany :) couple of KM next from ogra or dholbach ;-)
[09:52] <\sh> i mean a couple depends now..100 km is nothing for ZA rules
[09:53] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:53] <ogra> highvoltage, he sits between dholbach and me ... we can poke him from two sides ;)
[09:53] <\sh> highvoltage: now many km was it from durban to joburg? 600? 800?
[09:53] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:54] <highvoltage> i think durban to jo'burg is about 800.
[09:54] <\sh> ogra: yes :) do it :) do it :)
[09:54] <bddebian> dholbach: What is External supposed to mean on UniverseUnmetDeps?
[09:54] <highvoltage> jo'burg is about 1150km from me.
[09:54] <dholbach> bddebian: no idea
[09:54] <\sh> highvoltage: yeah...sitting in a mercedes with 5 ppl and travelling 800 km is quite enjoying ,-)
[09:54] <bddebian> Ohh, who wrote that page? :-)
[09:54] <highvoltage> geez
[09:54] <dholbach> bddebian: the wiki :)
[09:55] <\sh> highvoltage: we drove the garden route from port elizabeth to cape town...with a stop in hermanus
[09:55] <highvoltage> ok. i really need some sleep. thanks to all for the warm welcome. i have a real good feeling about this.
[09:55] <bddebian> Gnight highvoltage
[09:55] <highvoltage> \sh: wow, that sounds like punishment
[09:55] <\sh> highvoltage: good to have u with us
[09:55] <dholbach> highvoltage: that's nice to hear - sleep tight :)
[09:55] <highvoltage> goodnight!
[09:55] <\sh> highvoltage: well...I saw the wales ;-)
[09:55] <dholbach> ok, last call http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-report.html - anything else? :)
[09:55] <slomo> gn8 highvoltage
[09:56] <highvoltage> \sh: i saw one falling from the sky, with a pot of petunias
[09:56] <\sh> highvoltage: 42 ,-)
[09:56] <dholbach> :)
[09:56] <\sh> rotfl
[09:56] <slomo> lol
[09:57] <bddebian> Does anyone know what External is supposed to mean on the UniverseUnmetDeps page??
[09:57] <\sh> dholbach: please mention doko as the worst breezy-changes spammer ever,-)
[09:57] <slomo> bddebian: nope... i had the same question ;)
[09:57] <bddebian> hehe
[09:57] <dholbach> \sh: noooo, he wouldn't like that :)
[09:57] <\sh> yes
[09:57] <bddebian> Where is doko?
[09:58] <\sh> dholbach: I named him a maniac in between the cxx transition
[09:58] <\sh> so it's ok ,-)
[09:58] <dholbach> \sh: and if i live close to him, i shouldn't spoil the .. erm ... neighbourship :)
[09:58] <\sh> doko is external
[09:58] <\sh> doko: ping
[09:58] <bddebian> WTF does that mean??
[09:58] <\sh> doko: what do u mean with external
[09:58] <\sh> doko: and excuse the maniac ,-)
[09:58] <\sh> and spammer
[09:59] <bddebian> moi?
[09:59] <dholbach> sent off
[09:59] <\sh> bddebian: no
[10:00] <\sh> lets have a look
[10:01] <\sh> hmmm
[10:01] <\sh> serious problem now.
[10:01] <\sh> something is wrong with one of kopetes plugins...and xmms
[10:01] <doko> ?
[10:01] <\sh> doko: on UniverseUnmetDeps you are named under "External". That means?
[10:03] <\sh> bddebian: yes to openswan and gcc-3.4
[10:03] <bddebian> Uhh?  Oh, the wiki :-)
[10:03] <\sh> bddebian: and yehia i have my fingers in this crappy piece of software
[10:04] <bddebian> Bah, why do I even try.. :-)
[10:04] <ogra> StephanHermann is replaced by gnuradio-core ??
[10:04] <\sh> eek
[10:04] <\sh> ogra: please ,-)
[10:04] <ogra> i didnt know there was so much AI in gnuradio-core that it chould replace \sh
[10:04] <\sh> hihi
[10:05] <\sh> ogra: believe me son...gnuradio-core will replace us all...
[10:05] <ogra> lol
[10:05] <\sh> such a crappy code again
[10:05] <bddebian> \sh: So should I just sit idly by and watch you fix them all? :-)
[10:05] <\sh> bddebian: NO!
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: take my packages :)
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: i didn't touch them at all until now
[10:07] <\sh> ogra: oh...did I say I signed a new private mobile contract?
[10:07] <bddebian> \sh: Bah, I can't actually FIX anything, I just generate a lot of text ;-)
[10:08] <\sh> bddebian: wow..you should start a weblog and write funny stories ;)
[10:08] <slomo> bddebian: at least it's text which can fix the stuff later ;)
[10:08] <bddebian> heh
[10:08] <Mo42> oh? i just looked at the UniverseUnmetDebs wiki page history... the "External" table has been added by StephanHermann in revision 25 ;)
[10:08] <\sh> Mo42: that is not true
[10:09] <\sh> I never add an "External" to something
[10:09] <Mo42> well, that's what the wiki says... or i am stupid ;)
[10:09] <bddebian> Mo42: He was drunk at the time.. ;-P
[10:09] <Mo42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps?action=diff&rev1=25&rev2=24
[10:10] <Mo42> and rev 25 was done by "StephanHermann"...
[10:10] <\sh> argl
[10:10] <\sh> yes
[10:10] <\sh> *headbang*
[10:11] <\sh> cause doko rebuild a lot
[10:11] <\sh> damn
[10:11] <Mo42> cool... seems that i am not stupid (just started to beleave that *g*)
[10:11] <\sh> how can I forget
[10:11] <\sh> everything has a reason...even my mental illness
[10:11] <\sh> *shakinghead*
[10:11] <\sh> ogra: I need holiday
[10:11] <\sh> s
[10:12] <ogra> \sh, first enhance gnuradio-core, i doubt it can replace you already ;)
[10:12] <\sh> ogra: tell me something about ooc2
[10:12] <\sh> oo2c ?
[10:13] <\sh> so about the oberon2 to C compiler
[10:13] <ogra> heh, never heard about it
[10:13] <\sh> ogra: NaN is not defined is the error on ppc
[10:13] <slomo> \sh: just take some holidays or at least this weekend :) you've done sooo much good stuff in the last days...
[10:13] <\sh> but NaN is defined on all other archs
[10:14] <\sh> slomo: I have a juniper training (last week of this month...so I'm not here) and directly after this training I'm 2 weeks off
[10:14] <\sh> dholbach: btw..treenaks comes to berlin as well.
[10:14] <dholbach> \sh: yeah
[10:15] <\sh> dholbach: so I will come to berlin :)
[10:16] <Mo42> i think it's time to go to bed now... writing an exam for university tomorrow...
[10:16] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:16] <Mo42> so good night everybody....
[10:16] <slomo> gn8 Mo42... see you tomorrow :)
[10:16] <sistpoty> gn8 Mo42
[10:17] <Mo42> ah, btw: hi sistpoty ;)
[10:17] <bddebian> Later mo42.. Bah
[10:17] <slomo> bddebian: haha... you were to slow ;)
[10:17] <\sh> grmpf
[10:17] <bddebian> I'm ALWAYS too slow :-)
[10:18] <\sh> bddebian: that said my ex-wife to me too
[10:18] <bddebian> Oh, that's usually the opposite problem with women. ;-)
[10:19] <bddebian> And on that note, I should probably go home..  Talk to you later folks..
[10:19] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/69-Plaxo,-free-to-use-online-address-book.html
[10:19] <\sh> I think I kicked someones feet
[10:20] <\sh> stacy martin -> plaxo privacy officer commented on my blog entry
[10:20] <whiprush> heh
[10:20] <\sh> whiprush: u read it?
[10:20] <whiprush> yeah
[10:21] <dholbach> did anybody already see redhats impressions of the world as it exists today: http://www.redhat.com/g/promos/second_intelvid_050726.png ?
[10:21] <\sh> lol
[10:21] <\sh> this is understatement
[10:22] <\sh> dholbach: please blog ,-)
[10:22] <slomo> dholbach: lol... what a big world we have ;)
[10:22] <dholbach> i was aiming on the east-west-germany part? who of you spotted that as well? :-p
[10:23] <\sh> dholbach: is it not ip dependend?
[10:23] <whiprush> I don't know, you find who painted all of europe blue and you've got your man.
[10:24] <slomo> dholbach: hmm, i haven't noticed that... but thats freaky ;) where have they found this map? =)
[10:24] <\sh> whiprush: hmmm...it shows europe...so fiona phelps has something to say ,-)
[10:24] <dholbach> slomo: it's 15-16 years old :)
[10:25] <\sh> european marketing department of redhat ,-) surrey, uk
[10:25] <\sh> I worked for this department :(
[10:28] <dholbach> \sh: you should blog about it, i'm too tired to blog :)
[10:29] <\sh> dholbach: tomorrow morning ,)
[10:29] <\sh> in the mornings I have my best jokes at start
[10:29] <dholbach> excellent :)
[10:29] <\sh> actually we have too much stress right now at ISH...
[10:29] <dholbach> me motu reports, you marketing jokes :)
[10:29] <slomo> hm i would do too when i had more time ;)
[10:29] <\sh> looks like everything is breaking
[10:33] <whiprush> dholbach: you should blog your motu reports also!
[10:33] <dholbach> whiprush: you think so?
[10:34] <whiprush> yep
[10:34] <whiprush> tons of people read planet
[10:34] <\sh> yep
[10:34] <whiprush> good way to generate buzz.
[10:34] <\sh> whiprush is right
[10:34] <dholbach> you're the expert
[10:34] <whiprush> i get tons of comments since I got on planet ubuntu.
[10:34] <dholbach> i should think about it - but it's always a bit much, isnt it?
[10:34] <whiprush> nah
[10:34] <dholbach> hmmhmmhmhmhmhm
[10:35] <\sh> dholbach: u r not paying for traffic ,-)
[10:35] <dholbach> people reading planet shouldnt be worried about traffic :)
[10:35] <whiprush> plus normal users get to find out more about what motus do an stuff.
[10:35] <\sh> http://stats.blogweb.de/linux/
[10:36] <\sh> dholbach: serving the blog is a hard job...check july ,-)
[10:36] <\sh> Jul 2005  12354  10987  656<PHONE_NUMBER>  383003  340621  20345  8901  269416690
[10:36] <\sh> the last data is KB
[10:36] <Amaranth> 269MB in a month?
[10:36] <\sh> 5  1308  2,11  253,44 Gb  /uploads/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttlewort...
[10:37] <\sh> Amaranth: GB :)
[10:37] <Amaranth> ah
[10:37] <Amaranth> whoops
[10:37] <slomo> \sh: you're famous :) i just had 31033 kb this month
[10:37] <\sh> 1308 hits on this special url
[10:37] <Amaranth> damn no one goes to my blog anymore
[10:37] <\sh> slomo: my feed brings 83,77MB in july, the frontpage only 49MB
[10:37] <Amaranth> my all time high was a week of 1000 people a day
[10:38] <Amaranth> on saturday i only had 21 people
[10:39] <\sh> 1  11039  9545  826<PHONE_NUMBER>
[10:39] <\sh> daily usage :) so today ,-)
[10:39] <\sh> last entry is KB
[10:39] <\sh> 389 visits
[10:39] <\sh> and only today: 10  42  1,60  7,78 Gb  /uploads/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttlewort...
[10:39] <\sh> only the video
[10:39] <\sh> hard stuff
[10:40] <dholbach> ok, i'm off again
[10:40] <\sh> I think I made last month 3/4 of the 2TB freetraffic
[10:40] <dholbach> see you soon guys
[10:40] <\sh> dholbach: tell us when u r finished with your thesis
[10:41] <slomo> bye dholbach :)
[10:41] <dholbach> 18.8. i will hand it in, ~ 2.9. will be presentation
[10:41] <\sh> dholbach: 2.9 starts my holiday ,-)
[10:41] <dholbach> and inbetween i will move and get back to trier to help my dad with another project :/
[10:41] <\sh> it's a good sign
[10:41] <dholbach> i'll be busy :)
[10:42] <slomo> i'll leave now too... see you all next sunday :)
[10:42] <sistpoty> cya slomo
[10:42] <dholbach> good luck slomo - when is the exam?
[10:42] <dholbach> hey sistpoty :)
[10:42] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[10:43] <slomo> dholbach: it's tomorrow 9:00-12:00... and after that i directly drive in holidays :)
[10:43] <dholbach> slomo: i'll keep my fingers crossed :)
[10:43] <sistpoty> good luck and good holiday ;)
[10:43] <slomo> thanks all :)
[10:43] <\sh> slomo: good luck :)
[10:44] <slomo> when there's something importing... i'll read my mails the last time tomorrow afternoon ;)
[10:44] <slomo> important even
[10:46] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:47] <ogra> evening ajmitch
[10:47] <majic> hello ajmitch
[10:47] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:48] <dholbach> hey andrew
[10:48] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[10:49] <ajmitch> so what's up?
[10:50] <\sh> I will go to bed..now
[10:50] <\sh> terrible days of office work will come..*grrr*
[10:50] <ajmitch> ah, evil
[10:50] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[10:50] <\sh> g'night guys...tomorrow more
[10:50] <ajmitch> night \sh
[10:54] <ajmitch> hmm, you didn't mention \sh nearly enough
[10:55] <dholbach> this was a bit recruiting-centric, ok :)
[10:55] <dholbach> \sh knows we all love him :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> haha
[10:58] <ajmitch> what about sending to the sounder list as well? :)
[10:59] <dholbach> i sent it to -news as well
[10:59] <dholbach> now to my blog and sounder as well?
[10:59] <dholbach> people will flame me
[10:59] <ajmitch> ok, just to the blog
[10:59] <dholbach> that's like bradb leaving his business cards everywhere :)
[10:59] <ogra> with wrong phone numbers on them :)
[11:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: bradb will surely give you some of his :)
[11:02] <CarlFK> ajmitch http://www.vistaprint.com - I have a box - very handy for dropping in fishbowls
[11:06] <ajmitch> nah, I want some of those special ubuntu business cards
[11:20] <whiprush> ajmitch: me too
[11:21] <whiprush> I believe members can get a set.
[11:21] <ajmitch> that's what we heard at UDU
[11:22] <whiprush> We bought a domain for our loco so we have cool emails now.
[11:22] <whiprush> http://www.ubuntudetroit.org
[11:22] <whiprush> check it!
[11:23] <CarlFK> neat
[11:24] <dholbach> looks COOL
[11:25] <dholbach> goodnight