[12:00] <Zodiac> yes
[12:00] <delire> nova: ok, it's midnight here. can't help longer sadly. luck with all.
[12:00] <disasm> signius: what do you have to do with mysql to get the thing working?
[12:00] <Zodiac> the directory does not exist
[12:00] <Chislon> right, but neither is linux then, unless i want to pay money for crossover which i dont, but if i did then i could still do it on fbsd
[12:00] <dennis__> You will need to install wine in FreeBSD which is not fun :/
[12:00] <Chislon> because fbsd can for the most part run most linux stuff is my udnerstanding
[12:00] <synd> Zodiac: odd.
[12:00] <signius> i havnt done anything yet
[12:00] <mrchicago> |<001 ufo files
[12:00] <signius> i havnt got that far
[12:00] <synd> Zodiac: do what thoreauputic said
[12:00] <dennis__> Not wine...
[12:00] <Zodiac> I thought so too
[12:00] <dennis__> It runs wine horribly. :?
[12:00] <Chislon> oh
[12:00] <adam> oh no!
[12:00] <signius> how does this gpsman thing work
[12:00] <delire> adam it's a subscriber based service.
[12:00] <adam> i must pay!
[12:00] <synd> Zodiac: mkdir ~/.icons
[12:00] <Chislon> the port system sounds awesome tho
[12:00] <dennis__> It is
[12:00] <signius> i have given it the correct settings for the gps unit but not getting anything happening
[12:01] <dennis__> But getting everything to work sucks :/
[12:01] <synd> wtf
[12:01] <IcemanV9> Chislon: yes, fbsd do runs native linux progs
[12:01] <adam> delire i must pay?
[12:01] <Chislon> dennis__, how do you mean
[12:01] <synd> WHY are we talking about freeBSD here
[12:01] <mrchicago> shrus
[12:01] <Shiggity> delire, unfortunatly for us, there's not really an alternative for Cedega other than windows.
[12:01] <dennis__> Like it's hardware support isn't nearly as good as linux's
[12:01] <mrchicago> shrugs
[12:01] <delire> adam: yes, Cedega is a product that wraps windows games to be playable on Linux systems.
[12:01] <mrchicago> dont know
[12:01] <Chislon> IcemanV9, ok... thanks
[12:01] <IcemanV9> Chislon: ports (fbsd) == apt-get (ubuntu)
[12:01] <Chislon> but if it works on my system then thats not really an issue is it?
[12:02] <dennis__> Nope
[12:02] <Chislon> why is that?
[12:02] <dennis__> I'm just saying...if you plan to use flash...use a linux distro
[12:02] <pseudon00b> does anyone know how to change monitor settings on Ubuntu?
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> can you use ndiswrapper for other devices?
[12:02] <Chislon> and freebsd sounds more secure than linux and it being all one single thing rahter then all over hte place sounds good too, tho at first i thought linux's way soudned better
[12:02] <Zodiac> I got it to work
[12:02] <ompaul> IcemanV9, na pkg_add fbsd ~ apt-get ubuntu
[12:02] <delire> Shiggity: don't get me wrong. i understand ;) the more money that goes to Cedega the less native Linux games we have. interesting there's nothing like it for Apple, and of course Windows.
[12:02] <pseudon00b> I change monitor, but settings still same for other monitor
[12:02] <thoreauputic> guys, please talk about *BSD elsewhere
[12:02] <Zodiac> I actually just created that folder myself
[12:02] <Zodiac> ha ha
[12:02] <Zodiac> weird
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> other than internet ones
[12:02] <dennis__> What do you mean?
[12:02] <dennis__> There are lots of BSD distros
[12:02] <disasm> signius: you can load and send waypoints with the gps receiver menu
[12:02] <Zodiac> I wonder why it wasnt there originally..
[12:02] <Chislon> dennis__, well take flash out of hte picture then what do you think
[12:02] <disasm> signius: that's about all i've done with it
[12:03] <dennis__> Hmmm
[12:03] <Chislon> dennis__, there is netbsd, freebsd, and openbsd, im talkinga bout freebsd
[12:03] <mrchicago> 31 hours for dl with wget
[12:03] <Chislon> as far as i know anyways
[12:03] <synd> good god
[12:03] <mrchicago> ugh
[12:03] <kbrooks> Poke.
[12:03] <dennis__> I'd say to go with FreeBSD then...
[12:03] <Shiggity> delire, I guess its still 'write to my devs and gripe'. Too bad EA is taking over all my favorites. when they destroyed Westwood, I was quite irate.
[12:03] <synd> stop talkinga bout bsd
[12:03] <Zodiac> What is the most popular icon set?
[12:03] <kbrooks> Poke!
[12:03] <Chislon> dennis__, could you explain why that is then over ubuntu?
[12:03] <mrchicago> we need a napster for disrtos
[12:03] <synd> Zodiac: gargantuan
[12:03] <mrchicago> that is all there is to it
[12:03] <dennis__> Only reason I am using ubuntu is for wine/cedega support
[12:03] <kbrooks> I'm on Ubuntu.
[12:03] <mrchicago> at least you can resume the dl
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Chislon: this is #ubuntu - please take your convo about bsd vs ubuntu elsewhere
[12:03] <Zodiac> Are you serious?\
[12:03] <dennis__> I personally liked FreeBSD a lot
[12:03] <kbrooks> No X, since this is a server.
[12:03] <XandriX> kbrooks, where u from again ?
[12:04] <IcemanV9> ompaul: ah. you're talking about package. yep. you're correct.
[12:04] <delire> Shiggity: they really do represent the death of a great many startup and medium sized dev companies.
[12:04] <mrchicago> with something like napster
[12:04] <Chislon> dennis__, otherwise ud do fbsd?  what do you use wine/cedega for
[12:04] <kbrooks> XandriX: as in?
[12:04] <XandriX> canada englan i dunno
[12:04] <kbrooks> XandriX: channell? canada
[12:04] <Chislon> thoreauputic, im talkinga bout ubuntu, but thank you
[12:04] <kbrooks> er
[12:04] <dennis__> Wine/Cedega is for porting windows games and applications
[12:04] <Zodiac> ohh that is neat
[12:04] <dennis__> to linux
[12:04] <XandriX> kbrooks, i ment where u live
[12:04] <kbrooks> XandriX: canada
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Chislon: erm, no you aren't sorry
[12:04] <Chislon> dennis__, right, but i figure ill need to keep windows to do most games
[12:04] <dennis__> Hmm
[12:04] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes, but
[12:04] <signius> ok thank for help off to try and sort kismet
[12:04] <XandriX> kbrooks, can i ask u another major favor
[12:04] <Chislon> thoreauputic, im ok with you not understandig our conversation
[12:04] <kbrooks> Chislon: google
[12:05] <synd> Chislon: /join #freeBSD
[12:05] <Shiggity> delire, Do you think that you will be able to put out developers that would be able to help give better Linux games so that cedegla would be useless for Ubuntu and other distros?
[12:05] <delire> dennis__: not porting, wrapping
[12:05] <signius> cheers disasm
[12:05] <Chislon> i came here for information about ubuntu
[12:05] <dennis__> Well, Cedega runs wow betting than windows so :D
[12:05] <kbrooks> linuxgametome
[12:05] <Chislon> i am in freeBSD and i have done google
[12:05] <dennis__> Well, Cedega runs wow betting than windows so :D
[12:05] <Chislon> thank you for your concern
[12:05] <kbrooks> XandriX: oh wait.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Chislon: any moment now - your warning will expire
[12:05] <dennis__> lol
[12:05] <kbrooks> XandriX: i did a MAJOR reformat.
[12:05] <synd> Chislon: how the fuck do you expect to come into #ubuntu and yap about BSD vs Ubuntu?
[12:05] <Chislon> dennis__,  and there is a free version of cedega right
[12:05] <dennis__> You have to install it via source
[12:05] <delire> dennis__: hehe yes it does.
[12:05] <dennis__> :D
[12:05] <kbrooks> Chislon: cedega-cvs
[12:05] <dennis__> I need to set it up :D
[12:05] <Chislon> thoreauputic, do whatever you want to do, but considering dennis and i are discussing ubuntu and how wine/cedega works with it, that would make any sense
[12:06] <spanglesontoast> did someone say I could key bind a xorg thing to change the driver?
[12:06] <dennis__> Delire...can you help me with some thing in pm?
[12:06] <mrchicago> hehe
[12:06] <fabio> Guys, how can I play MPG on Ubuntu?
[12:06] <mrchicago> cvs
[12:06] <mrchicago> sucks ass
[12:06] <toukijin_user2> could anyone please help me with freeNX?
[12:06] <mrchicago> i thing
[12:06] <Chislon> synd and that doesnt make any sense, i do it very easily, i am here to find out in formation about ubuntu, and freebsd, it works well to ask the users of both about both, so that is what i do
[12:06] <Chislon> what is the divverecne between cedega-cvs and the pay one?
[12:06] <Chislon> er difference
[12:06] <dennis__> Nothing
[12:06] <kpeterson> can anyone help me get AAC support working on rythmbox?  I have read the guide, but the faad plugin for gstreamer is not in the repositories, i found a .deb file for it with google, but i dont know what to do with it.
[12:07] <dennis__> You just install it via source
[12:07] <dennis__> You have to build the program from the source...
[12:07] <mrchicago> cvs is unstable
[12:07] <Zodiac> What is the best theme?>
[12:07] <dennis__> :/
[12:07] <JDahl> Chislon, you dont have any unix experience do you? Then FreeBSD sounds too ambitious for you
[12:07] <dennis__> lol
[12:07] <fabio> Guys, how can I playe MPG with Ubuntu?
[12:07] <dennis__> I started out with FreeBSD
[12:07] <mrchicago> you should be able to
[12:07] <dennis__> I went from 100% Windows to 100% FreeBSD easily :D
[12:07] <IcemanV9> dennis__: which version? me 2.2.6
[12:08] <spanglesontoast> how can I force the ati driver to install?
[12:08] <mrchicago> mess around with mplayer some
[12:08] <dennis__> FreeBSD is really easy....
[12:08] <dennis__> It comes with such a good manual
[12:08] <dennis__> and the freebsddiary is great
[12:08] <kpeterson> fabio there is a tutorial on the wiki
[12:08] <dennis__> Can someone help me install the kernel source ?
[12:08] <fabio> kpeterson, oh cool thx will have a look
[12:09] <JDahl> kpeterson, at least give a link if you mean to help
[12:09] <dennis__> I'm trying to install the nvidia sound driver but it needs my kernel source to be installed
[12:09] <Chislon> anyways, so what is the difference between the cedega-cvs and the pay version?
[12:09] <Chislon> and what is the difference between wine and cedega
[12:09] <kpeterson> JDahl sorry...
[12:09] <IcemanV9> Chislon: one is free and other is not :P
[12:09] <Chislon> if thats the only differnce why would you pay for the pay one?
[12:09] <kbrooks> Chislon: the pay v. of cedega is a binary
[12:09] <Chislon> oh, so what is a cvs then?
[12:09] <kbrooks> Chislon: and offers more.
[12:10] <Chislon> i dont really know what a binary means or is and such
[12:10] <dennis__> lol
[12:10] <spanglesontoast> sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=xlibmesa-gl fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[12:10] <kbrooks> Chislon: cedega-cvs is cedega's source.. you have to compile it
[12:10] <Madpilot> I've been RTFM, but I'm still not sure how to mount a new SATA HDD. anyone want to give a noob a hand here, please?
[12:10] <adam> i cant download CEDEGA free?
[12:10] <psychonate> grr,
[12:10] <kbrooks> Madpilot: define mount.
[12:10] <psychonate> I'm still having problems with X.
[12:10] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work
[12:10] <dennis__> Can someone here help me install the kernel source for ubuntu?
[12:10] <Chislon> also last night this room was really friendly adn helping, but not so much today, so not sure what thats about... friendly support is a big deal, and has huge sway over a persons decision i think
[12:11] <Chislon> kbrooks, oh.. no idea how to do that, is that hard to learn to do
[12:11] <dennis__> Freebsd has a great manual
[12:11] <dennis__> Go with it
[12:11] <kbrooks> adam: you can, but don't trust them.
[12:11] <delire> spanglesontoast: once you've done that you have to compile it. all that does is install the source
[12:11] <IIIEars> If a hammer were as difficult to use as FreeBSD we would all be living in caves with bandaged thumbs. - lol
[12:11] <JDahl> Madpilot, ideally that shouldnt be different than mounting any other device... what error do you get?
[12:11] <kbrooks> dennis__: plae.
[12:11] <Madpilot> kbrooks: how do I get Ubuntu to recognize the new HDD? It's all plugged in...
[12:11] <adam> kbrooks why?
[12:11] <toxicfume> my Intel PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card in my laptop is not working in ubuntu, how do i get it to work?
[12:11] <psychonate> X runs fine for a while, but then, all of a sudden, it gets really really slow.
[12:11] <Kartagis> dennis__: apt-get install kernel-source or something like that
[12:11] <kbrooks> Madpilot: Easy.
[12:11] <dennis__> Okay
[12:11] <kbrooks> Madpilot: GNOME?
[12:11] <Madpilot> JDahl: no error, because I can't even find the commands I need...
[12:11] <psychonate> It will run nicely for a few days, but then it just gets very slow.
[12:12] <dennis__> X in what? Ubuntu?
[12:12] <psychonate> The only way I can help is to restart the X server.
[12:12] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't work theou delire
[12:12] <dennis__> Or FreebSD
[12:12] <Madpilot> kbrooks: yes, regular Ubuntu/GNOME
[12:12] <psychonate> dennis__, Ubunbu, of course.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Chislon: possibly you were more on-topic last time you visited :)
[12:12] <kbrooks> adam: because they might have trojans etc
[12:12] <mrchicago> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[12:12] <delire> spanglesontoast: outside of X 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx' then start X then 'glxinfo | grep direct' to test.
[12:12] <adam> kbrooks ok
[12:12] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install kernel-source
[12:12] <dennis__> Reading package lists... Done
[12:12] <dennis__> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:12] <dennis__> Package kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:12] <dennis__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:12] <dennis__> is only available from another source
[12:12] <dennis__> E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate
[12:12] <Chislon> why is it that people get so upset if someone asks about something other then there specific point of view or ways of things or the name of there room, i am here to learn about ubuntu, in order to understnad it better i need to know how it relates to other things and how it would fit for me
[12:12] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis #
[12:12] <kbrooks> Madpilot: places menu?
[12:12] <mrchicago> how to on cvs
[12:12] <adam> where i can dl them?
[12:12] <dennis__> :(
[12:12] <adam> i need them
[12:12] <adam> :s
[12:12] <Chislon> thoreauputic, i was on topic this time, asking about peoples thoughts about freebsd and ubuntu
[12:12] <adam> but i cant pay
[12:12] <mrchicago> i hate my dsl
[12:13] <delire> dennis__: apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[12:13] <IcemanV9> Chislon: anyway, good luck with your decision on bsd or ubuntu (or even both!) :)
[12:13] <Chislon> thoreauputic, you wernet even a part of the conversation, dennis and i were talking, adn others were talking to me about cedega
[12:13] <Madpilot> kbrooks: nothing new there. Just my existing CD, two ATA HDD, etc. No new SATA HDD yet...
[12:13] <JDahl> Madpilot, it's probably already there as /dev/sda*... you need to insert it into fstab
[12:13] <Chislon> thoreauputic, you kicked me for talking about using linux software on a linux distro, in the room for that distro....
[12:13] <Chislon> not toof riendly support
[12:13] <Chislon> IcemanV9, thank you
[12:13] <kbrooks> Madpilot: open a gnome-terminal
[12:13] <dennis__> Chislon, you are very very new right?
[12:13] <kbrooks> Madpilot: nano /etc/fstab
[12:13] <spanglesontoast> huh
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> you lost me delire
[12:14] <dennis__> I'd go with FreeBSD as it has a great manual to help you will all of your problems...
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> I have a .deb
[12:14] <delire> spanglesontoast the deb is *just the driver source*
[12:14] <Madpilot> kbrooks: done nano/etc/fstab. now?
[12:14] <Chislon> dennis__, yep, but that doesnt mean i dont understand the differnece between being nice, and someone trying to way two options against each other, what better source is there then those two places, to ask them about themselves adn there ideas of the other, i think that is very typical and reasonable way people make decisions all the time
[12:14] <delire> spanglesontoast: you have to compile it
[12:14] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you misunderstand - the problem we sometimes have is that conversations can become distracting for others - but never mind
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> so failing is part of it?
[12:14] <JDahl> Madpilot, do you have any files /dev/sda* ?
[12:14] <delire> spanglesontoast: this is the 'ATI Way'
[12:14] <adam> How to play with a game?
[12:14] <ender_> anyone who plays nethack say WOOHOO
[12:14] <Chislon> thoreauputic, who was being distracted, and distracted in what way, i dont understand?
[12:14] <adam> i cant use CEDEGA
[12:14] <babycake> i have samba installed on my ubuntu, but is there any GUI that i can use?
[12:15] <Chislon> thoreauputic, nor do i understand what you mean by nevermind, im not sure if by it you are being firendly or unfriendly
[12:15] <spanglesontoast> really you got a guide to check it?
[12:15] <kbrooks> Madpilot: insert: /dev/sda1 /mnt/mountpoint ext3 defaults 0 0
[12:15] <delire> spanglesontoast: it fails on install? do this 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx-blah.deb'
[12:15] <Madpilot> JDahl: no, no sda files.
[12:15] <delire> spanglesontoast: then: outside of X 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx' then start X then 'glxinfo | grep direct' to test.
[12:15] <Chislon> sorry if i was being a jerk, but i do think that i should be able to ask about ubuntu and what ubuntu people think of freebsd, that seems very logical to me
[12:15] <thoreauputic> Chislon: I'm neutral, and not upset - I spend a lot of time here helping - but you may be right and I apologise if I misunderstood you
[12:15] <Chislon> or, sorry for being a jerk
[12:15] <toxicfume> Can someone help me with my intel wireless 2200 wireless card in ubuntu?
[12:16] <Kartagis> hello? I need help?
[12:16] <kbrooks> Madpilot: cfdisk /dev/sda BEFORE editing /etc/fstab
[12:16] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[12:16] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying <IP_ADDRESS>... / Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>. / Escape character is
[12:16] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[12:16] <delire> Chislon it's pretty off topic
[12:16] <delire> Chislon but sure
[12:16] <Chislon> thoreauputic, no problem
[12:16] <signius> disasm: it worked first time under kismet
[12:16] <babycake> anyone can help me to setup the samba server?
[12:16] <spanglesontoast> so that should work really?
[12:16] <disasm> signius: i can't gpsdrive to open
[12:16] <delire> dennis__ no need to msg. what's up?
[12:16] <disasm> it's frozen at the splash screen
[12:16] <kbrooks> Madpilot: you want to add a partition, then exit. should be self explanatory
[12:16] <Chislon> delire, i dont think that talkinga bout ubuntu and how it relates to other things or comapres to them is offtopic at all for an ubntu room, i came here wondering how it compared to fbsd, inorder to do that, one would have to talk about both no?
[12:16] <dennis__> I get very lost in this channel
[12:16] <dennis__> So busy
[12:16] <signius> disasm:
[12:17] <Chislon> thoreauputic, did you kick me or did i crash? just wondering
[12:17] <delire> Chislon: sure
[12:17] <signius> disasm:How you trying to open it ?
[12:17] <Madpilot> kbrooks: cfdisk /dev/sda got "Fatal Error" ?
[12:17] <JDahl> Madpilot, try lspci -v, or dmesg and see if there isnt anything about your SATA drive. It used to be a real pain to deal with SATA under Debian, but it should be fine now
[12:17] <disasm> run gpsdrive from term
[12:17] <synd> Chislon: you crashed
[12:17] <Chislon> sorry for being a jerk
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Chislon: these kinds of discussions often deteriorate and become personal - no I didn't kick you
[12:17] <kbrooks> Madpilot: is it  PROPERLY installed?
[12:17] <nalioth_wrkn> dennis__: which is why we preface our entrys with the users nick to whom we are addressing
[12:17] <dennis__> ?
[12:17] <dennis__> Yeah I know...
[12:17] <delire> Chislon: hehe relax. few people here would know much about freebsd is anyway.
[12:18] <dennis__> Delire, that didn't work :p
[12:18] <Chislon> synd, thoreauputic , ok thank you, and yes im not trying to get personal, i dont understand why they get personal
[12:18] <spanglesontoast> I HATE FREEBSD...........
[12:18] <Madpilot> kbrooks: Data & power plugs are in place, pretty hard to get them mixed up...
[12:18] <Chislon> delire, not really sure what you mean by relax...
[12:18] <IcemanV9> Chislon: don't worry; at least i believe you got info to decide :)
[12:18] <dennis__> Chislon pm me if you need more info on FreeBSD
[12:18] <disasm> signius: how do you open it?
[12:18] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no trolling!
[12:18] <Chislon> IcemanV9, dennis__  thank you
[12:18] <signius> i went to Application on the gnome menu
[12:18] <Chislon> you guys have been very nice
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Chislon: OK - lets leave it at that - and of course you are welcome to come here for help with Ubuntu any time
[12:18] <signius> then typed gpsdrive
[12:18] <nalioth_wrkn> the only bsd i know, is in my apple machine
[12:18] <spanglesontoast> what's trolling?
[12:18] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: erm, flaming. wrong term
[12:19] <spanglesontoast> flaming?
[12:19] <ompaul> Chislon, have a look at what ubuntu means as a word
[12:19] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok... i dunno i feel like i should be apologizing again?
[12:19] <delire> dennis__: ok see what kernel source packages are available with 'apt-cache search linux source' and then select the package that relates to your kernel version, and then apt-get install linux-source-<insert-kernel-version-here>
[12:19] <nalioth_wrkn> spanglesontoast: the horns look good on ya
[12:19] <IcemanV9> nalioth_wrkn: heheh :)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Chislon: no it's fine :)
[12:19] <Chislon> ompaul, ya i saw that, and sounds good
[12:19] <babycake> la la la
[12:19] <signius> disasm:you should be able to open it by typing gpsdrive in a command line also
[12:19] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[12:19] <Chislon> ompaul, although id prefer a green based color scheme ;) but i can of course change that
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Chislon: as I said , you are welcome to come in for help with ubuntu anytime
[12:19] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[12:20] <Madpilot> JDahl: dmesg returns no sda info...
[12:20] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[12:20] <ompaul> http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/T/troll.html
[12:20] <nalioth_wrkn> yes, chislon i'm always needin help with something ubuntu
[12:20] <disasm> signius: did you have to run gpsd firts?
[12:20] <dennis__> Delire, root@Spartan:/home/dennis #  apt-get install linux-source-<2.6.10> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[12:20] <Chislon> and well i do want to say sorry again, i was being a jerk, it does make sense to take freebsd talk to private, so im sorry for being a jerk
[12:20] <signius> no
[12:20] <signius> there is an option within gpsdrive to start and stop gpsd
[12:20] <ompaul> Chislon choose the monthly background change :)
[12:20] <delire> dennis__: heh without the '<''>'
[12:20] <babycake> heelllllllllllllooooooooooooo
[12:20] <JDahl> Madpilot, you should look for things identifying your SATA drive (vendor names) - it doesnt have to be sda1. Also make sure your BIOS is setup to handle both SATA and ATA
[12:21] <delire> dennis__: sorry
[12:21] <Chislon> ompaul, and that and stuff is free right or? or i dunno, like i dont realloy know much about how any of thise works yet
[12:21] <spanglesontoast> hey why is there no fglrx not in modules
[12:21] <dennis__> lol
[12:21] <delire> dennis__: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[12:21] <Chislon> thoreauputic, did you see that? its to everyone, but also to you since yoru the one who talked to me most about it of course
[12:21] <delire> spanglesontoast: you have to compile it
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Chislon: sure
[12:22] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[12:22] <Zukero> hello
[12:22] <spanglesontoast> yea theres no folder
[12:22] <ompaul> it is gpl in the main, that is free, it is all on the site, due to other none gpl licence materials there are ways to deal with packages like java from Sun they are referred to as restricted
[12:22] <ompaul> ! restricted
[12:22] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: to be clear, the fglrx package you installed is just the source for the drivers. it installs to /lib/modules/fglrx. then you have to compile the driver in fglrx/build_mod/
[12:22] <Zukero> ok i had my answer in the topic
[12:22] <Madpilot> JDahl: blast... forgot about the BIOS settings, haven't checked them... will reboot & have a look @ BIOS. thanks!
[12:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: the instructions i gave above will take you through those steps.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Chislon: the internet is a funny place, and IRC is weird anyway; don't worry about it ;-)
[12:22] <babycake> who am i
[12:23] <babycake> anyone sees me
[12:23] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you :)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> but theres nothing in modules
[12:23] <nalioth_wrkn> Chislon: yes, thoreauputic is the king (queen?) of the weirdos ....  :0
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> to compile
[12:23] <nemik> how would i use one of the libcurl functions in a shell script?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> nalioth_wrkn: how true ;-)
[12:23] <nemik> i need curl_escape() to encode strings to URL-encoded strings
[12:24] <delire> spanglesontoast: if you installed the fglrx package you should have the folder /lib/modules/fglrx. if not, something went wrong.
[12:24] <IIIEars> (sigh) there goes my title - grin
[12:24] <toxicfume> Can someone help me with my intel wireless 2200 wireless card in ubuntu? It doesn't seem to work at all
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> yea it moans about that other package
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> xlibmesa-gl
[12:24] <adam> how i can download WINEX?
[12:24] <delire> spanglesontoast: did you 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx-blah.deb'?
[12:24] <crimsun> toxicfume: iwconfig doesn't reveal anything useful?
[12:25] <disasm> gpsdrive (c) 2001-2004 Fritz Ganter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:25] <disasm> Version 2.09
[12:25] <disasm> $Id: gpsdrive.c,v 1.525 2004/03/03 20:46:47 ganter Exp $
[12:25] <disasm> GpsDrive version 2.09
[12:25] <disasm> $Id: gpsdrive.c,v 1.525 2004/03/03 20:46:47 ganter Exp $
[12:25] <disasm> SQL: connected to localhost as gast using geoinfo
[12:25] <disasm> Module fly loaded (Version 2)
[12:25] <disasm> Module nautic loaded (Version 2)
[12:25] <pedlar> hey, anybody tell me why i can't get gstreamer0.8-lame on an amd64 version of hoary?
[12:25] <disasm> oops
[12:25] <disasm> sorry
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> yea
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> it works
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[12:25] <delire> pedlar i don't think it's compiled yet.
[12:25] <ompaul> disasm, so use pastebin for the full message
[12:25] <crimsun> pedlar: are you sure it exists in the debian-marillat mirror for amd64?
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> do you have to restart to compile it?
[12:25] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok great. now you'll have to write this down and do it from outside X
[12:26] <toxicfume> crimsun: it does, but it says ESSID is off/any
[12:26] <pedlar> no, i'm not
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> yea but do I have to do it out of x?
[12:26] <disasm> ompaul: sorry, thought i was on a different window, and realized it too late...
[12:26] <pedlar> is there any way i could build it myself?
[12:26] <toxicfume> crimsun: even if i set the ESSID, it doesn't work
[12:26] <crimsun> toxicfume: and you're sure you're within range of an open wap?
[12:26] <delire> spanglesontoast: follow what i wrote above. that's the long command but will work. that compiles and installs the driver.
[12:26] <signius> toxicfume: what chipset does that intel wireless card use ?
[12:26] <ompaul> disasm, take two dohs! and rest a bit :)
[12:26] <toxicfume> crimsun: i'm totally positive, i booted into windows just to test it twice, it was there
[12:26] <crimsun> signius: the ipw2200
[12:26] <signius> toxicfume: is it an a b or g card ?
[12:26] <delire> spanglesontoast: here it is again to be sure: "outside of X 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx' then start X then 'glxinfo | grep direct' to test."
[12:27] <toxicfume> signius: i'm not sure..maybe it's prism2? but don't count on my words..it's a B/G card
[12:27] <HaloGray> Hello all
[12:27] <spanglesontoast> can I just bung that into a shell script?
[12:27] <Chislon> nalioth_wrkn, i dont know, not sure how to respond
[12:27] <HaloGray> I'm having trouble getting an nvidia driver installed... any help?
[12:27] <psychonate> Can anyone help me with my problem? (X just begins to run very very slowly after a few days of normality.)
[12:28] <psychonate> Someone in another channel thought it might be a memory link from one thing or another. Anyone care to see some stats from top?
[12:28] <signius> there is a source forge project for that intel card
[12:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> try control +alt+backspace
[12:28] <signius> http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[12:28] <pedlar> so could anybody help me with building gstreamer0.8-lame?
[12:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: try http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/ipw2200-source
[12:28] <toxicfume> signius: yes, i've been there but i'm not entirely sure on how to install those. Would i need to download the kernel source to isntall them?
[12:28] <spanglesontoast> be back soon delire
[12:28] <kent> pedlar, why build it?
[12:29] <pedlar> because i'm using amd64 and i can't seem to find it in the repositories
[12:29] <toxicfume> crimsun: you mean in apt -get or what?
[12:29] <crimsun> toxicfume: to use ipw2200-source, you'll need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed
[12:29] <kakalto> what's a midi player for ubuntu?
[12:29] <delire> pedlar do you mean compile it? if so grab the source. it's possible you can just './configure && make && make install'
[12:29] <crimsun> toxicfume: I presume you're on i386?
[12:29] <toxicfume> crimsun: yes
[12:29] <delire> kakalto: player or sequencer? timidity playmidi
[12:29] <pedlar> delire: bear with me i'm a linux newbie, where would i grab it from
[12:29] <nemik> how would i use one of the libcurl functions in a shell script? mainly curl_escape()
[12:30] <signius> it looks like you need to patch the drivers similar to what i have to do with my orinoco drivers to make my card support rfmon
[12:30] <crimsun> toxicfume: wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/contrib/i/ipw2200/ipw2200-source_1.0.4-1_all.deb
[12:30] <kent> pedlar, if its not in the ubuntu archive, its probably becaus it didn't compile.  But, if your using Hoary it should be in the archive. Are you using restricted and universe?
[12:30] <pedlar> i believe so
[12:30] <signius> the instructions look pretty good in the install read me
[12:30] <signius> did you read the info ?
[12:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay
[12:30] <crimsun> toxicfume: you'll also need the module-assistant package installed
[12:30] <delire> pedlar so you are sure you cannot see it with an 'apt-cache search lame gstreamer'? this checks for the availability of a package based on keyword.
[12:31] <psychonate> Alrighty, then.   I cant find it either.
[12:32] <delire> pedlar: if there is a pacakge available you can simply install it.
[12:32] <kent> pedlar, and im using i386
[12:32] <delire> kent pedlar ouch. ok. perhaps you can try to compile it..
[12:32] <limer> how can I watch my dvd at /dev/hdc (aka) /media/cdrom0  ?
[12:32] <pedlar> delire, where would i get the source from?
[12:33] <delire> kent in debian testing there is a gstreamer0.8-lame
[12:33] <nalioth_wrkn> kent: do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list?
[12:33] <pusling> limer: dvd do not get mountet. Pint your mediaplayer to /dev/hdc
[12:33] <ompaul> grep -a is to disregard the case  of a letter?
[12:33] <kent> pedlar, what made you think that there should exist such a package by the way? maybe its called something else?
[12:33] <delire> pedlar if you type 'apt-cache search lame' do you get any output?
[12:33] <Madeye> guys how to run/install .jar file?
[12:33] <crimsun> Madeye: java -jar foo.jar
[12:33] <ompaul> no it aint :(
[12:33] <nalioth> who is needing lame help?
[12:33] <pedlar> kent, the ubuntu docs made me think it exists
[12:33] <psychonate> Can someone at least tell me if Ubuntu has a bug tracker or something similar?
[12:33] <pusling> ompaul: -i
[12:33] <kent> nalioth, yes, I have universe and multiverse.
[12:33] <pedlar> nalioth, its me
[12:33] <nemik> how would i use one of the libcurl functions in a shell script? mainly curl_escape()
[12:33] <limer> pusling: I've done that and vlc just flashes a bar for a second and then nothing
[12:34] <nalioth> pedlar universe and multiverse repos
[12:34] <limer> pusling: let me give you totem's error
[12:34] <nalioth> brb
[12:34] <ompaul> pusling, yeah, just reread the man page (been a while :))
[12:34] <kent> pedlar, which doc? could you point me to that page?
[12:34] <pedlar> nalioth, for amd64?
[12:34] <pedlar> one sec
[12:34] <pusling> ompaul: i as in [i] gnore-case ;)
[12:34] <delire> pedlar i think you need to allow for the 'non-free' packages. these are packages which are not truly open source
[12:34] <limer> pusling: could not read from resource
[12:34] <ompaul> pusling, aye
[12:34] <pedlar> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:34] <delire> pedlar this is done by adding "pacakge repositories" as they explain above.
[12:35] <toxicfume> crimsun: after getting the modules-assistant, i can simpyl start the .deb file?
[12:35] <pusling> limer: have you decss and stuff installed ?
[12:35] <kent> pedlar, gstreamer0.8-mad  will give you mp3 support, if thats the package you are looking for.. ?
[12:35] <limer> pusling: looking into it now, I assumed it was by default
[12:36] <pedlar> kent, i'm looking for encoding
[12:36] <pusling> limer: decss is kind of non-free ;)
[12:36] <pedlar> kent, i've already gotten the mad package, they play fine
[12:36] <limer> pusling: gotcha.  I knew that it was but thought the *AAs had just given up
[12:36] <psychonate> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[12:36] <psychonate> thanks...
[12:36] <psychonate> google
[12:36] <delire> pedlar mencoder is very good
[12:36] <limer> pusling: that'll be the day ;)
[12:36] <augmentor> hi all
[12:37] <delire> pedlar install mplayer with mencoder
[12:37] <shinu> what should i do if i cant kill a process wiht kill -9?
[12:37] <augmentor> my sources.list got messed up, can someone please send me a working copy with multiverse? thanks :)
[12:37] <kent> pedlar, if you read more carefully it says on that page that it is in Hoary-extras.  I dont know where that repositorie is :(
[12:37] <adam> HUM!
[12:37] <pusling> shinu: force-unload the module used by the process or reboot the computer
[12:37] <delire> shinu tried killall? there may be several dependent processes
[12:37] <crimsun> toxicfume: you need to install it
[12:38] <shinu> delire: tried it but doesnt seem to work
[12:38] <kent> pedlar, section 2.2 on that page will tell you how to configure so that you get the hoary-extra repositorie. After that, you can install gstreamer0.8-lame  :)
[12:38] <limer> pusling: package is missing
[12:38] <shinu> pusling: im trying to kill mount... what modules would that be?
[12:40] <pusling> shinu: what are you mounting ?
[12:40] <pusling> limer: I think it is called libdvdcss or something like that
[12:40] <shinu> pusling: cdrom which isnt working properly ;.;
[12:40] <limer> pusling: yes, but it is gone from the repositories now
[12:41] <pedlar> i added the repository but it doesn't show the gstreamer0.8-lame package i'm looking for
[12:41] <pusling> limer: you might be able to install from marillat archive, but be carefull
[12:41] <spanglesontoast> didn't work
[12:41] <spanglesontoast> got errors
[12:41] <psychonate> Is *anyone* having problems with xorg along the lines of xorg running very slow after running fine for a while?
[12:42] <pusling> shinu: try forceunmount joliet, iso-6699 or whatever it is called
[12:42] <kent> pedlar, it doesn't show at all, or it shows the wrong version?
[12:42] <limer> pusling: not sure what that is.  I will look around for deb binaries me thinks
[12:42] <delire> spanglesontoast what errors?
[12:42] <pedlar> kent, no show
[12:42] <psychonate> as in, a few days of good performance, and then very slow performance until a restart of the server
[12:42] <IIIEars> pusling - did you need libdvdcss?
[12:42] <pusling> limer: ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat i think
[12:42] <spanglesontoast> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[12:42] <spanglesontoast> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[12:42] <kent> pedlar, have you ran "sudo apt-get update" (or updated the list in synaptic) ?
[12:42] <delire> spanglesontoast you need the kernel source
[12:42] <toxicfume> crimsun: i already got modules-assistant, but i still don't know how to install the .deb file :/ I tried double clicking onit but it only asked me to extract
[12:42] <pedlar> i think so
[12:42] <delire> spanglesontoast in that case..
[12:43] <benplaut> spanglesontoast: do you live in kentucky?
[12:43] <pusling> IIIEars: do not remember. Just tried if it worked. I have normal dvd-player for watching movies ;)
[12:43] <benplaut> o/t
[12:43] <shinu> pusling: but how can i kill the mount process?... the cdrom is not mounted yet...
[12:43] <kent> pedlar, and you ran that *after* you added the hoary-extra  right?
[12:43] <IIIEars> Okay. :)
[12:43] <delire> spanglesontoast apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) linux-headers-$(uname  -r)
[12:43] <limer> pusling: ok, execute dpkg -i ?
[12:43] <pedlar> yup
[12:43] <crimsun> toxicfume: you can install it manually using sudo dpkg -i
[12:43] <Johnnyfav> can you logon to http sites through terminal?
[12:43] <pedlar> kent, and just did it again
[12:43] <pusling> limer: something like that. yes
[12:44] <toxicfume> crimsun: oh okay
[12:44] <pusling> shinu: force-unload cdrom-filetype-modules and try kill again
[12:44] <delire> spanglesontoast i can't remember if "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" is right however. i run debian here
[12:44] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, looks like it's done, what do i do next?
[12:44] <delire> spanglesontoast we have different package names for this material
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> ah
[12:45] <IIIEars> !marillat
[12:45] <ubotu> add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main".
[12:45] <crimsun> toxicfume: what was the output from it installing? Paste to pastebin
[12:45] <delire> spanglesontoast you need these files to compile against. they contain information needed by the ATI driver compilation process
[12:45] <mrchicago> !marillat
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> ah
[12:46] <psychonate> OK, I think the problem may be a memory leak from Xorg, as in https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 .
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> I'm just wondering why there isn't an already made .deb
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> for ati?
[12:46] <benplaut> spangles: do you live in kentucky?
[12:46] <delire> spanglesontoast compilation of anything is always involved in any platform
[12:46] <pusling> IIIEars: it might be dangerous, because it sometimes is diffeent versions of mplayer than in multiverse (and other package-depends)
[12:46] <delire> spanglesontoast there is, xorg-fglrx-*
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> benplaut no I live in uk surrey godalming
[12:46] <IIIEars> pusling yes it sure is. - ubotu doesn't know that
[12:46] <delire> spanglesontoast apt-cache search fglrx
[12:47] <disasm> heh heh heh, i install the ati binary 3d accel driver for xorg, and it works fine, but now prboom is in a itty bitty window thats barely see-able, back to google...
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> yea I know but I was advised to use the one from the ati site
[12:47] <benplaut> spangles: never mind... my sister (who lives in kentucky) has someone named spanglesontoast in her IM address book :)
[12:47] <delire> spanglesontoast that's what i advise
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> benplaut how old is she?
[12:47] <delire> benplaut 3 degrees of separation in the linux community ;)
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> oh
[12:47] <benplaut> 16
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> snap
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> :D
[12:47] <shinu> pusling: you do mean modprode -r -f modulename right?
[12:48] <psychonate> OK, no responses in the last half hour. I may as well mute myself.
[12:48] <ompaul> delire, more like 2.756. :)
[12:48] <pusling> shinu: yes
[12:48] <shinu> pusling: it just says module is in use ;.;
[12:48] <crimsun> psychonate: with what issue?
[12:48] <spanglesontoast> weird world eh benplaut
[12:48] <psychonate> crimsun, I think it might be a memory leak issue with X.
[12:49] <psychonate> At least one person in #linuxhelp tried to help me.
[12:49] <spanglesontoast> theres two source packages
[12:49] <delire> ompaul hmm, yes i think that is closer to experience
[12:49] <apollo2011> I have (K)ubuntu system with both KDE and Gnome installed. I use KDE by default.  However, I just noticed that the Switch User option is suddenly missing from my K Menu.
[12:49] <pusling> shinu: perhaps you should also unload modules depending on <module_you_try_to_remove>
[12:49] <shinu> uh...
[12:49] <shinu> alright...
[12:49] <shinu> ill try that
[12:49] <psychonate> crimsun, I pasted a link to a bugzilla entry that may be similar
[12:49] <delire> psychonate no, i haven't had this experience
[12:49] <shinu> pusling: but if i reload them later my cdrom will be working fine again right?
[12:50] <pusling> shinu: yes. and after unloading them, you might be able to kill mount
[12:50] <shinu> yup
[12:50] <ompaul> delire, defines I kind of know X
[12:50] <shinu> ok ill try that
[12:50] <psychonate> Well, could someone at least tell me if my memory/swap usage looks normal?
[12:50] <ompaul> I think I have just lost three years of archives
[12:50] <delire> ompaul tentatively relativistic association - the bulk of human relationships
[12:50] <spanglesontoast> brb going to have a shower while the linux-source downloads
[12:51] <psychonate> I don't personally know what "normal" should look like.
[12:51] <ompaul> delire, now there is a truism
[12:51] <crimsun> psychonate: I'm much more prone to believe that an application or a set of applications are simply not releasing memory properly back to the X server
[12:52] <delire> ompaul ouch. let's hope you're not running a journaled fs ;)
[12:52] <ompaul> delire, like I would not do that ...
[12:53] <psychonate> crimsun, I don't doubt the possibility., and your guess is probably better than mine, but if I close all the apps running in X, it looks like the problem still stands until I restart the X server. I don't know if that helps you at all.
[12:53] <delire> ompaul hehe. recovery with reiserfs and ext2 is reasonably easy compared to that of ext3
[12:53] <Shiggity> Peace all!
[12:53] <crimsun> psychonate: closing those apps won't help if the apps don't release memory properly...
[12:53] <ompaul> delire: time for  `sudo su - `
[12:53] <delire> ompaul hmm
[12:54] <delire> psychonate have you tried seeing what happens if you start X and then leave it with no applications running at all?
[12:54] <crimsun> psychonate: in fact, that really points to certain applications, since if the fault lay with the X server, restarting the X server _still_ wouldn't reclaim that memory
[12:54] <pedlar> since it looks like i won't have luck finding the gstreamer0.8-lame plugin, anybody know of a cd ripper that uses mencoder?
[12:55] <delire> pedlar mencoder is best for video really. i think i may have taken your request the wrong way before
[12:55] <pedlar> oh
[12:55] <pedlar> bummer
[12:55] <delire> pedlar i would look at ogg vorbis
[12:55] <pedlar> i need this for my ipod
[12:55] <delire> pedlar ahah.
[12:56] <delire> can anyone confirm successful compilation of gstreamer-mad for the amd64 arch?
[12:56] <mattlacey> pedlar you can get gstreamer0.8-lame plugin with apt
[12:56] <pedlar> amd64?
[12:56] <mattlacey> that i don't know :)
[12:56] <delire> pedlar: athlon, i meant to say. isn't that the arch you said you had earlier?
[12:57] <delire> pedlar 64?
[12:57] <pedlar> pedlar, amd64 yeah
[12:57] <mac_hack> hi all
[12:57] <cyphase> has anyone here played blast?
[12:57] <pedlar> whoops
[12:57] <pusling> pedlar: cant you apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage if no package for amd64 is available_?
[12:57] <delire> pedlar: right.. i seem to remember someone else having problems with this. i would see packages.debian.org.
[12:58] <pedlar> alright
[12:58] <pedlar> is that a site or is that a repository
[12:58] <delire> pedlar enter you architecture into the search query field and see what is returned on the keywords gstreamer lame
[12:58] <pusling> pedlar: site
[12:58] <delire> pedlar it's a package search site for debian GNU/linux systems
[12:59] <delire> pedlar i use debian here, but not an amd64 arch, so i cannot search for you easily
[12:59] <psychonate> crimsun, I think it may be bittornado. I have heard people claim to have problems with it.
[12:59] <delire> pedlar i can however say there is a  gstreamer0.8-lame for my arch, i386
[01:00] <pedlar> figured that the docs wouldn't lie
[01:00] <pedlar> maybe they would just be giving half-truth
[01:00] <pedlar> =\
[01:01] <delire> pedlar i doubt it.
[01:02] <delire> pedlar if the docs say your arch is supported, then it most likely will be unless support was recently removed.
[01:02] <pedlar> delire, it doesn't say any arch is supported
[01:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> how do i back up my entire hard drive using konserve?
[01:02] <delire> pedlar search the site i gave above
[01:02] <pedlar> delire, it just says to do things that way to be able to rip to cd
[01:02] <ompaul> delire, I said lost, well it was more like misplaced :)
[01:02] <ompaul> found it
[01:03] <kent> delire, pedlar the package is to be taken from hoary-extras according to the wiki, and that's a repo out of Ubuntus control. So its probably something wrong with the amd64 compilation.. since it seems to be working for most others..
[01:03] <delire> pedlar amd64 is not as well supported as some other platforms just yet.
[01:03] <delire> kent: right
[01:03] <pedlar> does that mean that i can't rip mp3's
[01:03] <psychonate> crimsun, I really don't want to just run x alone for a few days, so I will probably just eliminate one application at a time.
[01:03] <pedlar> or is there some other encoder i could use?
[01:03] <delire> do iPods support ogg vorbis?
[01:03] <IIIEars> mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian ????
[01:03] <pedlar> don't think so
[01:03] <mattlacey> pedlar: do you need the gstreamer plugin to rip to mp3?
[01:04] <kent> pedlar, that meen you should file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com, perhaps?  or ask those who maintain hoary-extra :)
[01:04] <delire> pedlar shame
[01:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> they do if ya run podzilla
[01:04] <mattlacey> pedlar i just have lame and i use grip for my cds
[01:04] <delire> pedlar you may be able to install a debian package however. why not find the package and try?
[01:04] <toxicfume> crimsun: hey sorry, my internet got disconnected
[01:04] <pedlar> alright
[01:04] <pedlar> thanks for the help
[01:04] <crimsun> toxicfume: what's your progress?
[01:04] <pedlar> it wouldn't be so daunting if this wasn't the first time i was tryiing to use linux for a main system
[01:05] <toxicfume> crimsun: well it installed without errors
[01:05] <mattlacey> pedlar: don't sweat it, it'll soon be second nature
[01:05] <crimsun> toxicfume: did it generate a deb in /usr/src/ ?
[01:05] <IIIEars> mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian ???? gstreamer ??
[01:05] <nemik> usage: url_encode [string]
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> pedlar: trust me it gets easyer the more you use it
[01:05] <toxicfume> crimsun: let me check
[01:05] <nalioth> pedlar: you may have to (if you're still having probs) build lame and liblame from source
[01:05] <pedlar> i'm sure
[01:05] <nemik> does that mean i can do TEXT = `url_encode $TEXT`
[01:05] <nemik>  or it has to be TEXT = `url_encode [$TEXT] `
[01:05] <delire> pedlar: Ubuntu doesn't actively support non-free proprietary codecs like mp3, and for good reason. if you want a mainstream distribution that does, see mepis.org. it all works out of the box, but is ethically unsound.
[01:05] <pedlar> will it be possible for me to build gstreamer after that?
[01:06] <mattlacey> pedlar: anyway i'm sure there'll be an amd64 package for lame (as opposed to the gstreamer plugin)
[01:06] <darko__> i just compiled in OSS/free(don't wanna use alsa), everything is compiled in. i have ac97 or i8xx, and uses udev with a 2.6 kernel. how do i get it to work?
[01:06] <nalioth> pedlar: may i /msg you?
[01:06] <pedlar> nalioth, sure
[01:06] <toxicfume> crimsun: no, but i see a .tar.gz file in /usr/src
[01:06] <crimsun> toxicfume: there should be instructions in /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source/README.Debian
[01:06] <toxicfume> crimsum: ipw2200-source.tar.gz
[01:07] <LostBlade> hi!
[01:07] <dpod> I'd like to remove the configuring network and checkung ntp.ubuntu from the boot sequence (and move it elsewhere) anybody know how to do it?
[01:07] <LostBlade> how do i mount /var/www to samba?
[01:07] <toxicfume> crimsun: that folder doesn't exist
[01:07] <shinu> pusling: does this: ide_cd 38532  2 mean ide_cd is used by 2 other modules? how do i check what those are?
[01:07] <dpod> I want to do this because I need to reformat the network interfaces anyway after booting
[01:08] <darko__> no dsp's in /dev ...
[01:08] <delire> dpod: see /etc/network/interfaces perhaps?
[01:08] <pusling> shinu: yes, I_think. Havent done it for a long time ;)
[01:08] <Johnnyfav> dir
[01:08] <delire> dpod: remove 'auto' from the interface being configured, or comment those blocks out altogether.
[01:08] <crimsun> toxicfume: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=ipw2200-source&version=unstable&arch=all begs to differ
[01:08] <Johnnyfav> is there a way to bypass Grub boot and boot directly to windows?
[01:08] <dpod> delire: But where are blocks
[01:08] <delire> dpod: the script that is executed however on startup is /etc/init.d/networking
[01:09] <nalioth> Johnnyfav: sure, nuke your mbr
[01:09] <pusling> shinu: you can see on some other line <module name> <number> <number> ide_cd
[01:09] <delire> dpod : i wouldn't reccommend manipulating that however
[01:09] <LostBlade> can anyone tell me how do i mount /var/www to samba? please??
[01:09] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: 1st - why? ;) and 2nd... use the windows cd, go to it's rescue mode and do fixmbr
[01:09] <Johnnyfav> har d har har
[01:09] <pusling> shinu: And I wish you luck - and then I think my bed needs me ;)
[01:09] <nemik> how would i use the url_encode function from here: http://djini.de/software/shell/ghit in a shell script?
[01:09] <Johnnyfav> fix mbr?
[01:09] <pedlar> !marrilat
[01:09] <ubotu> pedlar: Are you smoking crack?
[01:10] <Chislon> are mandriva and ubuntu alot different? someone i know who is also new to linux is doing mandriva, so just wondering if he and i woiuld be able to help each other figure things out or if theya re too different?
[01:10] <shinu> pusling: ok gnights :) although i dont think ill crack this xD
[01:10] <pedlar> !marillat
[01:10] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, pedlar
[01:10] <shinu> pusling: i think ill just pull out my cdrom xD
[01:10] <calc> ugh the xscreensaver ubuntu branding is gone
[01:10] <delire> dpod: i for instance have "auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces. this requests an IP from a DHCP server (my router) each boot.
[01:11] <delire> Chislon: alot is comparable, though the greatest difference is package management (eg installation, uninstallation, manipulation of packages).
[01:11] <dpod> delire: how/where are they called during boot?
[01:11] <Johnnyfav> ok...if I do fixmbr...how do I get grub back?
[01:11] <toxicfume> crimsun: hmm, okay i'll try again later, it's getting really late here. Thanksfor thehelp..i'll repeat the steps you told me again, thanks
[01:11] <delire> dpod: /etc/init.d/networking looks for entries in the /etc/network/interfaces for instructions
[01:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: no need to repeat them
[01:11] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: same thing but with a linux rescue cd
[01:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: just follow the documentation I pointed out
[01:11] <Johnnyfav> ic
[01:12] <darko__> please! no old oss users left?
[01:12] <crimsun> darko__: eh?
[01:12] <toxicfume> crimsun: which documentation isthat? I downt have that folder in /usr/share
[01:12] <Chislon> delire, ok thank you, when deciding on a linux distro... what all goes into a decision... like they basically just package different applications to start with, adn have the differnet package management, and different communities, is that it? but you can wiht any distro get any application that any other distro has, is this correct? and how many kinds of package management are there, and where is a good place that might let me rea
[01:12] <Chislon> d the differences in a way i might understand atleast some?
[01:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: you must
[01:12] <toxicfume> I really don't :S
[01:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source/
[01:12] <delire> Chislon: that's a good start yes.
[01:13] <kurt__> I'm trying to set up kernel 2.6.11 with the latest fglrx drivers with alien... but it keeps going to mesa... by any chance would any of you know why?
[01:13] <toxicfume> crimsun: oh!
[01:13] <toxicfume> one second
[01:13] <delire> Chislon: you've pretty much nailed it.
[01:13] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: you can use a knoppix cd too... run grub and then 2 lines: root(hd0,0)... setup(hd0) (i think)... with the correct partitions etc...
[01:13] <disasm> kurt__: whats in your xorg.conf?
[01:13] <Chislon> delire, ok thank you, do you know a good place to read those differences for the package management?
[01:13] <nalioth> Chislon: distrowatch.org? maybe
[01:13] <kurt__> disasm: it's pretty much default
[01:13] <disasm> kurt__: and why are you using alien?
[01:13] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you
[01:14] <delire> Chislon: there are only a small number (comparitively speaking) of applications which are not available across all distributions.
[01:14] <kurt__> because the fglrx driver doesn't work for 2.6.11 afaik?
[01:14] <dpod> delire: the problem I'm having is that I need to run wpa_supplicant and then reset my wlan0 after boot up; the result is that the network interface formatting on boot is just wasting time (especially the clock setting since that needs to happen after wpa_supplicant and resetting the wlan0 is done). I figured if I could move them out the startup and build a quick sh script, I'd be ahead of the game. Ideas or suggestions?
[01:14] <toxicfume> crimsun: ah yes i see it now
[01:14] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: it'll use your /etc/grub.conf from wherever you set the root
[01:14] <Chislon> i heard that ubuntu is new, but its like relativly new in temrs of the other distros i take it? because i also thought i heard its been around more than a year
[01:14] <nalioth> kurt is ready for an adventure
[01:14] <kurt__> indeed.
[01:14] <Chislon> delire, and then is there an equivalent application available for the distro that the specific app might not work for?
[01:14] <toxicfume> crimsun: the documentation is saying to install the prerequisite packages: build essential kernel-headers-$version, where can i get that file from?
[01:15] <disasm> kurt__: ah, i'm using a 2.6.10 so that might be true
[01:15] <delire> Chislon: the differences really are between package managers, not pacakge types per se. emerge == gentoo, apt == debian (and derivatives like ubuntu), rpm == redhat (and derivatives like Mandrake)
[01:15] <crimsun> toxicfume: you already have those
[01:15] <nalioth> Chislon: ubuntu is very user friendly & very user supported
[01:15] <crimsun> toxicfume: (Ubuntu uses linux-headers, not kernel-headers)
[01:15] <toxicfume> crimsun: ah okay
[01:15] <disasm> kurt__: if it's going to mesa, it's probly because your xorg.conf is saying ati for driver and not fglrx
[01:15] <chillywilly> lallala
[01:15] <chillywilly> breezy is really borked
[01:15] <chillywilly> :)
[01:16] <kurt__> disasm: It's using fglrx
[01:16] <benplaut> breezy is supposed to be borked
[01:16] <delire> kurt__: dpkg -l | grep flgrx
[01:16] <kent> bork bork.
[01:16] <chillywilly> gee, ya think?
[01:16] <delire> kurt__: and check fglrx is loaded with 'lsmod | grep fglrx
[01:16] <kurt__> it's there and there
[01:16] <mattlacey> what the hell does borked mean lol
[01:17] <limer> mattlacey: fubar
[01:17] <pedlar> borked=broke
[01:17] <delire> mattlacey == broken
[01:17] <delire> hehe i didn't mean it to come out quite like that. you get the idea
[01:17] <benplaut> messed up
[01:17] <chillywilly> b0rked
[01:17] <skora> reference to the swedish chef on the muppets
[01:17] <skora> IIRC
[01:17] <chillywilly> mmmm, bork, bork, bork, bork!
[01:18] <kurt__> the module is loading and working... but it's still using mesaGL
[01:18] <delire> kurt__ i don't know then. are you using the proprietary driver from ati.com?
[01:18] <mattlacey> what is wrong with breezy at the moment anyway? my friend's been using it for a while... bit less stable than hoary but not much else apart from that...
[01:18] <benplaut> bork sounds like something to eat
[01:18] <limer> chillywilly: I think you're mistaking . . . SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!
[01:18] <chillywilly> swedish chef rules
[01:18] <kurt__> delire: yeah
[01:18] <kbrooks> uh.
[01:18] <chillywilly> limer: no, I am not
[01:18] <delire> kurt__ were you trying the xorg-fglrx package before this?
[01:18] <skora> gotta a q - anyone know where I can find jdong's ubp-build.py script at
[01:18] <benplaut> mattlacey: the instability is bad onb a work system
[01:18] <kbrooks> how do i setup fb?
[01:18] <limer> chillywilly: but love MP nevertheless
[01:18] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[01:18] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you, i hear that mandrake/mandriva is also good for a person new swithcing from windows, and delire, are those the only 3 kinds then? or are ther eomre?
[01:18] <delire> kbrooks: eek, careful with that gear
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> I guess I installed it ok
[01:19] <kbrooks> framebuffer
[01:19] <kent> mattlacey, you do know that it is the development version right?  (just checking..)
[01:19] <delire> spanglesontoast: glxinfo | grep direct
[01:19] <adam> how to downloaad WINEX?
[01:19] <kurt__> delire: yes.
[01:19] <kbrooks> delire: i dont like ths.....
[01:19] <Amaranth> cedega?
[01:19] <delire> kbrooks: yes, that's what i mean. it can really break stuff
[01:19] <kbrooks> too big.
[01:19] <Amaranth> adam: you have to pay for it
[01:19] <kurt__> but i've removed the xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:19] <nalioth> Chislon: you have the debian type systems, the RPM based systems and the source-based systems
[01:19] <adam> amaranth no WINEX
[01:19] <nalioth> sorry but i dont know what suse falls under
[01:19] <adam> winex is free
[01:19] <mattlacey> kent: yeah, but is there any serious problem with it?
[01:19] <adam> and the CVS of CEDEAGA too
[01:19] <Amaranth> adam: winex == cedega
[01:20] <delire> kurt__: ok. sigh. same problem one chap had earlier.
[01:20] <kent> mattlacey, as fare as I know, X dont work.
[01:20] <nalioth> Chislon: the debian type systems have the better (imho) pkg management
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:20] <dpod> can anybody give me advice on where I can follow the boot sequence? I'm not getting how things are told to load up. My books stop at inittab but unless I'm stupid don't say how the stuff in init.d etc. gets started
[01:20] <adam> Amaranth : yes but when you DL it in CVS it's free
[01:20] <Amaranth> adam: it's much easier to just pay for cedega than use it from cvs
[01:20] <kbrooks> dpod: uh.....
[01:20] <adam> but i dont know HOW!
[01:20] <kurt__> delire: I'll look around. If I find a fix I'll let you know... heh. The current package in the ubuntu repo produces all sorts of artifacts, etc.
[01:20] <mattlacey> kent that's interesting... my friend's been running it with X just fine... hmm, odd :)
[01:20] <adam> i can't pay :s
[01:20] <kurt__> thanks
[01:20] <nalioth> adam: its also incomplete
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: winecvs.sh
[01:20] <Amaranth> adam: as in, unless you plan on hacking on cedega you probably won't be able to get it working
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> I think I managed to get back into the old one some how
[01:20] <delire> spanglesontoast: the driver installed and you can confirm it's loaded with lsmod | grep fglrx
[01:20] <Amaranth> adam: #cedega might be able to help
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:21] <Amaranth> kbrooks: Please don't do that again.
[01:21] <kent> dpod, init is the first thing that starts, so perhaps its the kernel..?
[01:21] <adam> winecvs.sh?
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> fglrx                 237312  0
[01:21] <kbrooks> adam: yeah.
[01:21] <Amaranth> adam: ask #cedega, they'll help you out
[01:21] <toxicfume> crimsun: i'm getting an error
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> is that installed?
[01:21] <kbrooks> kent: yah, init=/sbin/init
[01:21] <delire> spanglesontoast: it's loaded yes.
[01:21] <adam> ok
[01:21] <chillywilly> better breas
[01:21] <chillywilly> better subs
[01:21] <chillywilly> Cousins Subs!
[01:21] <chillywilly> w00t
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> how do I know if x.org is using it?
[01:22] <chillywilly> brb
[01:22] <dpod> kent: init is binary right? Is there a way of figuring out or editing what it does?
[01:22] <Amaranth> chillywilly: ...
[01:22] <chillywilly> bread*
[01:22] <kbrooks> dpod: init  looks in inittab
[01:22] <toxicfume> crimsun: it's saying that /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386: No such file or directory
[01:22] <chillywilly> sorry, I fscked it up
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok do this 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1'
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: anything?
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> ls: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: No such file or directory
[01:22] <chillywilly> anyway, I am going to Cousins Subs ppl
[01:22] <chillywilly> and you're not
[01:22] <chillywilly> :)
[01:22] <adam> what is?
[01:22] <kbrooks> dpod: init is  binary, but its open src
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok do this 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.*'
[01:22] <chillywilly> cya
[01:22] <adam> amanth
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast anything now?
[01:22] <adam> a script?
[01:23] <kent> dpod, run "man inittab" and you will get some information of how to change things..
[01:23] <adam> amaranth : its a script?
[01:23] <kbrooks> adam: winecvs.sh is, yes
[01:23] <Chislon> nalioth and the debian system is called apt? and there is rpm, and then the emerge is open source? what does that mean i thought it was all open source
[01:23] <adam> i dl it
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> ls: /usr/lib/libGL.so.*: No such file or directory
[01:23] <adam> and know?
[01:23] <kbrooks> adam: exec it
[01:23] <adam> and now
[01:23] <adam> ok
[01:23] <adam> how?
[01:23] <kbrooks> adam: sh WineCVS.sh
[01:23] <adam> (sory i'm new)
[01:24] <adam> in terminal?
[01:24] <delire> spanglesontoast: odd
[01:24] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes, yes, and yes. all  3 arre open src
[01:24] <adam> what i type in terminal?
[01:24] <kbrooks> adam: that line
[01:25] <adam> ?
[01:25] <kbrooks> adam:
[01:25] <mattlacey> chislon: rpm and apt are systems for distributing binary packages... emerge is distributing sources which are then compiled
[01:25] <kbrooks> adam: sh WineCVS.sh
[01:25] <delire> spanglesontoast: can you browse to that directory and look for files like libGL.so.*
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> ok
[01:25] <adam> sh WineCVS.sh
[01:25] <adam> but he dont find !
[01:25] <GammaRay> delire: rpm and apt are nothing alike. rpm and dpkg however are
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> nothing in there
[01:25] <GammaRay> doh
[01:25] <kbrooks> GammaRay: incorrect
[01:26] <adam> sh: wineCVS.sh: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[01:26] <GammaRay> that was meant for noone in partuicular (-;
[01:26] <delire> GammaRay: i never said they were strictly alike.
[01:26] <kbrooks> GammaRay:  correction:
[01:26] <adam> kbrooks : sh: wineCVS.sh: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[01:26] <Chislon> so thats why its called open source because ur using the source adn the others are using packages... ok..  and to find out the differences between these types adn the difference between doing a binary package adn source, distrowatch.org is ag ood place?
[01:26] <matteorox> hi all
[01:26] <adam> amaranth : sh: wineCVS.sh: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[01:26] <kbrooks> adam:
[01:26] <matteorox> i have just installed ubuntu
[01:26] <kbrooks> stop it.
[01:26] <GammaRay> kbrooks: anytime now
[01:26] <spanglesontoast> only that /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1
[01:26] <adam> kbrooks :?
[01:26] <Amaranth> adam: stop directing that to me, i know nothing about it
[01:26] <kbrooks> Chislon: pm?
[01:26] <adam> amaranth : ok srry
[01:26] <LinuxJones> matteorox, welcome aboard :)
[01:26] <matteorox> i added some debian repositories, but it tell me it can't found publc key...
[01:26] <kbrooks> Chislon: can i  pm u
[01:26] <adam> so
[01:27] <Chislon> ya
[01:27] <matteorox> how solve problem ?
[01:27] <adam> no one can help me
[01:27] <Chislon> you dont have to ask :)
[01:27] <adam> ?
[01:27] <delire> spanglesontoast: again, very strange. i don't know. did you have xorg-fglrx installed before?
[01:27] <kbrooks> Chislon: no wait
[01:27] <Amaranth> matteorox: don't add debian repositories, they aren't compatible
[01:27] <adam> kbrooks : you can't help me about it
[01:27] <adam> ?
[01:27] <kbrooks> Chislon: do you UNDERSTAND open  source?
[01:27] <nalioth>  <mumble> save us from n00bs</mumble>
[01:27] <GammaRay> kbrooks: well if you're not going to say how you think I'm incorrect....
[01:27] <LinuxJones> matteorox, do you know about the universe and multiverse repositories ?
[01:27] <matteorox> Amaranth, really ?
[01:27] <mattlacey> chislon: open source means the source code is available to anyone... the package management systems aren't strictly intertwined with the license the packages are governed by
[01:27] <medkit> Anyone interested in an operating system wich only prints test pages? It's free.
[01:27] <nalioth> Amaranth: not even deb-src repos?
[01:27] <knoppix> does anyone know how large the default ubuntu installation is?  I searched the ubuntu website but couldn't find a good system requirements page.
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> yea
[01:28] <tiefox> hello...can anyone help me with an sound problem ?
[01:28] <kbrooks> GammaRay: dpkg is used by apt
[01:28] <matteorox> LinuxJones, nope..what is it ?
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> I used the ubuntu one
[01:28] <GammaRay> kbrooks: so?
[01:28] <Amaranth> nalioth: those should be fine, as long as your just getting the source and not building them blindly
[01:28] <knoppix> Will Ubuntu work well on a 5 GB partition?
[01:28] <matteorox> LinuxJones, where can i find information about ?
[01:28] <nalioth> knoppix: less than 3.5
[01:28] <GammaRay> kbrooks: I never said it was not
[01:28] <skora> tiefox, giving us some more detailed information would help us ;]
[01:28] <adam> Who can help me in the WINEX?
[01:28] <kbrooks> GammaRay: dpkg is LOW LEVEL
[01:28] <nalioth> Amaranth: i've got lots of deb-src (redheaded stepchild PPC user that i am)
[01:28] <GammaRay> kbrooks: are you trying to make my point?
[01:28] <Chislon> i think i understand the basic concept, but im not an expert, open source, anyone can look at it, free as in freedom of speech not as in price tag, ability to see and modify and use source as you like
[01:28] <Amaranth> adam: /join #cedega
[01:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: hmm, it should be looking for linux-headers, not kernel-headers
[01:29] <kbrooks> GammaRay: yes.
[01:29] <LinuxJones> matteorox, basically it's a whole bunch of packages. Most of the software in Debian is in those repos
[01:29] <GammaRay> kbrooks: comparing apt to rpm is wrong. comparing it to urpmi makes more sense
[01:29] <delire> spanglesontoast: you need to purge that old xorg package and reinstall the ati fglrx deb you made.
[01:29] <knoppix> Is a 5 gb partition too small for a 3.5 GB installation?  Is there a way to make it smaller while still keeping Gnome?
[01:29] <adam> ok thx
[01:29] <Amaranth> LinuxJones: most=all, afaik
[01:29] <delire> spanglesontoast: sadly i have to go, it's very very late here.
[01:29] <GammaRay> kbrooks: afterall there *is* an apt for rpm
[01:29] <kbrooks> LinuxJones: the packages are compiled from src
[01:29] <matteorox> LinuxJones, ok...what have i to add to sources.list to take it all ?
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> ok
[01:29] <tiefox> skora: I was using ubuntu FINE with an Soyo Dragon Plus Motherboard and Realtek AC97 onboard sound
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> ty thou mate
[01:29] <Amaranth> GammaRay: what are you arguing about?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> matteorox, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[01:30] <tiefox> i just upgraded it to an ABIT motherboar with via ac97  ( via82xx ) onboard sound
[01:30] <kbrooks> Amaranth: he isnt arguing.
[01:30] <spanglesontoast> realtek ac97 my sub works hehe!
[01:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: but still, i don't have any file or folder with the name linux-headers in /usr/src/
[01:30] <Amaranth> kbrooks: what are you talking about then?
[01:30] <matteorox> LinuxJones, ok thanks..now i'll read
[01:30] <LinuxJones> kbrooks, I was trying to make it as easy to understand as possible :)
[01:30] <tiefox> now my sound comes with a lot of noise and bad quality... ( im sure that this new motherboard is OK...was just running it on slackware  )
[01:30] <Amaranth> tiefox: my via ac97 works perfectly
[01:30] <crimsun> toxicfume: did you install linux-headers-$(uname -r) like I said?
[01:30] <kbrooks> Amaranth: pleasse dont  butt in. we're talking about ..... well, dpkg == rpm etc
[01:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: i thought i did, let me try again
[01:31] <Amaranth> kbrooks: Trying to decide if I should make you stop or not.
[01:31] <toxicfume> crimsun: whats the command again? or could i get it from synaptics?
[01:31] <toxicfume> -s
[01:31] <crimsun> toxicfume: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:31] <toxicfume> okay
[01:31] <tiefox> I was wondering if it could be a problem from changing motherboards without reinstalling ubuntu...
[01:31] <kbrooks> Amaranth: Please don't firewall me and him.
[01:31] <Chislon> kbrooks did you see my response?
[01:32] <Amaranth> tiefox: shouldn't be a problem
[01:32] <Chislon> mattlacey, thank you for the info
[01:32] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes
[01:32] <Amaranth> tiefox: make sure the sound isn't turned down/muted
[01:32] <crimsun> kbrooks: dpkg vs. rpm is offtopic for #ubuntu, though. Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:32] <Chislon> kbrooks, so what am i doing now?
[01:32] <Amaranth> tiefox: aumix is good for checking that
[01:32] <japoeder> Does anyone have any tips for burning an audio cd out of mp3s?
[01:32] <Chislon> like i dint know if you were still wnating to pm me is what i mean
[01:32] <kbrooks> Chislon: nope. h/o
[01:33] <nalioth> japoeder: k3b, graveman or gnomebaker
[01:33] <Amaranth> japoeder: use k3b, gnomebaker, or graveman
[01:33] <Amaranth> nalioth: :D
[01:33] <mattlacey> japoeder: k3b is your best bet
[01:33] <crimsun> tiefox: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:33] <crimsun> brb
[01:33] <Amaranth> breezy will have a new GNOME audio cd burner that rocks
[01:33] <japoeder> do I get that via synaptic
[01:33] <mattlacey> japoeder: you'll need the k3b-mp3 package as well
[01:33] <tiefox> the problem is bad sound quality with a lot of static
[01:33] <Chislon> kbrooks, well dinner is ready so im gonna go eat and then ill be back, so if your here and you want to talk to me and if that works for you then thats great, either way, thank you ofr your help
[01:33] <Amaranth> japoeder: yeah
[01:33] <nalioth> Amaranth: now i just need to tune in the lotto guy, eh?
[01:33] <kbrooks> Chislon|away: oj
[01:34] <kbrooks> ok*
[01:34] <Chislon|away> ?
[01:34] <tiefox> /proc/asound/cards
[01:34] <Chislon|away> oh ok, thank you
[01:34] <tiefox> 0 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
[01:34] <tiefox>                      VIA 8235 with ALC650D at 0xe000, irq 22
[01:34] <Amaranth> nalioth: lmao, share it with me :D
[01:34] <GammaRay> japoeder: try this perhaps http://s1x.homelinux.net/projects/serpentine/
[01:34] <Amaranth> GammaRay: that's the one going into breezy main as the default audio cd burning program for gnome
[01:34] <GammaRay> japoeder: it seems alpha though
[01:34] <Amaranth> GammaRay: i think it's in hoary universe though
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[01:35] <kbrooks> omfg
[01:35] <kbrooks> omfg
[01:35] <LinuxJones> laff
[01:35] <Thazza> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[01:35] <kbrooks> lol
[01:35] <Amaranth> Thazza: Please don't do that again.
[01:35] <Xenguy> Thazza: not cool
[01:35] <Xenguy> ahh, he's gone
[01:35] <benplaut> +++++++ j/k  :)
[01:35] <kbrooks> Thazza: Are you insane?
[01:35] <count0nz> God thats crazy
[01:35] <benplaut> yes, he is
[01:35] <GammaRay> should I not say anything if I thought it was cool? (-;
[01:36] <Amaranth> Thazza: I'll remove it in 15 minutes. Flood again and it'll be a 24 hour ban.
[01:36] <Amaranth> holy shit, 3/4" hail
[01:36] <forced> Haven't seen someone try to text flood since like 94... :/
[01:36] <japoeder> ok, I've got it but it hasn't come up in the sound and video section under applications.  I've refreshed the panel with killall in root, but it still isn't there.  Is there another way I am supposed to run and use this application?
[01:36] <kbrooks> Amaranth: yay
[01:36] <tiefox> i have sound outbut...be is with very bad quality and a lot of static...and back noise...
[01:36] <tiefox> output...sorry
[01:37] <IIIEars> should we all IM him? - heh?
[01:37] <kbrooks> IIIEars: No.
[01:37] <tiefox> i notice that oss  is still configured to use realtek
[01:37] <GammaRay> a cat probably just stepped on his keyboard
[01:37] <benplaut> IIIEars: that was funny the last time
[01:38] <toxicfume> crimsun: looks like module assistant is doing its work better now
[01:38] <benplaut> with Andrew_
[01:38] <crimsun> tiefox: do you have any better luck with alsa-source from universe?
[01:38] <tiefox> didnt try it..
[01:38] <tiefox> it was working perfectly with the other motherboard...
[01:38] <tiefox> in gnome sound control
[01:39] <tiefox> in preferences...
[01:39] <tiefox> i get Realtek for OSS ..and VIA for alsa
[01:39] <tiefox> i guess this is where the problem is..
[01:39] <crimsun> tiefox: no, that's inconsequential
[01:39] <crimsun> tiefox: because alsa's oss emulation modules are loaded, there are two different mixer "views" presented
[01:40] <crimsun> tiefox: you should use the alsa perspective
[01:41] <crimsun> tiefox: paste the output from amixer onto pastebin.com
[01:41] <toxicfume> crimsun: i have to extract the firmware files tothe hotplug directory, whats the ommand to extract files into the directory?
[01:41] <japoeder> I've got k3b but it hasn't come up in the sound and video section under applications.  I've refreshed the panel with killall in root, but it still isn't there.  Is there another way I am supposed to run and use this application?  Also, I the mp3 package doesn't seem to be in any of the repositories I have.  Which one is it in?
[01:42] <celcik> I need help getting my wirless card detected wish someone could give any type of clue what I am doing wrong
[01:42] <tiefox> ok
[01:43] <nalioth> japoeder: if you are using gnome, i doubt k3b will show up
[01:43] <benplaut> celcik: what kind of card?
[01:43] <nalioth> japoeder: i've had it for months, and it hasnt shown up yet. i start it with "run application"
[01:43] <celcik> benplaut: proxim 8470 (atheros based) I always get this: 0000:02:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments: Unknown device ac54 (rev 01)
[01:43] <japoeder> so, in root just type "run application k3b"?
[01:43] <crimsun> toxicfume: just cd /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
[01:44] <crimsun> toxicfume: then tar xfz /path/to/ipw2200firmware.tar.gz
[01:44] <benplaut> celcik: what does "sudo iwconfig" show?
[01:44] <nalioth> japoeder: no. in the gnome menu, click "run application" and type k3b in the blank
[01:44] <japoeder> ahhh, gotcha
[01:44] <mez> ANYONE HERE ON TEH pgp STRONG SET, PREFERABLY IN LONDON?
[01:44] <mez> damn caps
[01:44] <nalioth> japoeder: don't run anything as root that is not necessary
[01:44] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, thanks
[01:44] <nalioth> mez: damn cats
[01:44] <celcik> Benplaut: it shows no wirless connection
[01:44] <tiefox> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/295201
[01:44] <mez> lol naliotj
[01:44] <Amaranth> mez: Why do you need someone from the strong set?
[01:44] <mez> lol nalioth *
[01:44] <benplaut> so no atho?
[01:45] <benplaut> *ath0
[01:45] <mez> Amaranth, to get someone to sign my key :D
[01:45] <celcik> benplaut: exactly no ath0
[01:45] <Amaranth> mez: I think some of the ubuntu devs are in the strong set and live in the UK somewhere.
[01:45] <japoeder> I appreciate the help, thanks.
[01:45] <benplaut> celcik: is the card supported by MadWifi?
[01:45] <mez> yeah I know Amaranth , trying to get in touch with keybuk (he's in my hoke town) but he's always a pain in the ass to try and catch
[01:45] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, i did that already, now how can i start the wireless connection?
[01:45] <celcik> benplaut: yes and the cardbus controller is supposed to supported to
[01:46] <benplaut> celcik: and the lights aren't on, i suppose
[01:46] <celcik> benplaut: cardbus controller is Texas Instruments TI1620
[01:46] <benplaut> do other cardbus cards work?
[01:46] <crimsun> toxicfume: you have to unload the current ipw2200* and ieee* modules
[01:47] <occy> 1.2M swim, 56M bike, 13.1M run -- June 5th.  Wish me luck on my 1/2 Ironman guys!
[01:47] <crimsun> toxicfume: then load the new ones
[01:47] <occy> crimsun, :)
[01:47] <crimsun> occy: g'luck
[01:47] <toxicfume> crimsun: how can i do that?
[01:47] <celcik> benplaut: not sure if other cardbus cards work but the proxim works fine on other notebooks with linux... i tried it
[01:47] <occy> crimsun, :)
[01:47] <occy> crimsun, I'll let you know how it all works out.
[01:47] <crimsun> occy: excellent
[01:47] <crimsun> toxicfume: modprobe -r
[01:47] <Chislon> kbrooks, im back
[01:47] <benplaut> celcik: does it work on liveCDs, IE Mepis?
[01:47] <toxicfume> crimsun: no output
[01:48] <benplaut> brb
[01:48] <crimsun> toxicfume: you have to modprobe -r <list of modules>
[01:48] <toxicfume> oh
[01:48] <celcik> benplaut: not on this notebook - hp zv5260,  on others with live cds it works fine
[01:48] <toxicfume> crimsun: how do i know the modules list?
[01:48] <crimsun> toxicfume: via lsmod
[01:49] <keffo> its back again - in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 seconds \o/
[01:49] <kbrooks> Chislon: well, ubuntu has .... apt and uses it.
[01:49] <kbrooks> Chislon: Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[01:49] <celcik> benplaut: it is supposed to work though on this,  everything is supported
[01:49] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok
[01:49] <celcik> I just don't understand why it won't
[01:50] <toxicfume> crimsun: so i can remove anything that's ipw2200* and ieee* that is in the lsmod list, am i right?
[01:50] <crimsun> tiefox: your Master and PCM levels are up really high - too high, in fact
[01:50] <crimsun> toxicfume: correct. Remember dependencies work top-down
[01:50] <kbrooks> Chislon: apt relies on the "low level" program, dpkg.
[01:50] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, and then after that, how do i load the new drives? modprobe ipw2200?
[01:51] <crimsun> toxicfume: did you install the new ipw2200 driver deb?
[01:51] <celcik> I put up this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39379 it is the same problem i have in all distributions not just breezy
[01:51] <kbrooks> Chislon: apt downloads the pkg and execs dpkg w/ the path to the package.
[01:51] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok
[01:52] <kbrooks> Chislon: (in a subprocess)
[01:52] <toxicfume> crimsun: well i followed the instructions from the readme file in /usr/share/doc/ipw2200
[01:52] <benplaut> celcik: i'd say that your problem is more with the carbus port than the wifi card... i can't help you with that...
[01:52] <bolivar> can i blindly trust the packages in uni and multiverse?
[01:52] <tiefox> crumsun: i was using this high with the other motherboard...i got my sound card plugged into my stereo ..and i control the sound throught the stereo
[01:52] <crimsun> bolivar: you shouldn't blindly trust anything or anyone
[01:52] <Chislon> kbrook, meaning if you do apt-get tuxracer it will find, download, and install it?  like the port for bsd? are rpm or source different from this, how does it find where tod ownload it form?
[01:53] <crimsun> bolivar: but I'd certainly trust them a lot more than packages from external repos
[01:53] <celcik> benplaut: thanks I think thats whats wrong too... do you know anyone who could help ??
[01:53] <bolivar> i dont.  you understand the context of the question i assume
[01:53] <kbrooks> kbrooks: apt-get install ...
[01:53] <kbrooks> Chislon: *
[01:53] <bolivar> so uni and multi are not public?
[01:53] <bolivar> i was mistaken then
[01:53] <crimsun> bolivar: yes, they're public, and they're on ubuntu servers.
[01:53] <Chislon> kbrooks, i dont know what tha tmeans
[01:53] <Chislon> kbrooks, oh ok
[01:53] <toxicfume> crimsun: so can i go ahead and modprobe ipw2200?
[01:53] <nalioth> bolivar: those pkgs are not suppprted by ubuntu developers
[01:54] <strider> does anyone knows how to fix CUPS?
[01:54] <kbrooks> Chislon: rpm (the program) takes a PATH to a rpm.
[01:54] <nalioth> bolivar: but you can use them, and get help on irc
[01:54] <crimsun> toxicfume: once you unload all the modules related to ipw2200 and its dependencies
[01:54] <Chislon> kbrooks, i dont know the difference between that and waht you jsut said to me
[01:54] <kbrooks> Chislon: then it installs it.
[01:54] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, i guess i've done that :)
[01:55] <bolivar> the support isnt an issue.  just not desiring anything 'hiding' in the package
[01:55] <crimsun> bolivar: yes, you can trust them in that sense.
[01:55] <bolivar> ok very good
[01:55] <kbrooks> Chislon: apt and rpm are different  in that apt searches and uses a program internally
[01:55] <bolivar> thanks a bunch
[01:55] <nalioth> Chislon: if you go to www.tldp.org you will find a wealth of info on how linux works (rpm, apt, etc)
[01:55] <kbrooks> Chislon: rpm takes an argument. rpm /path/to/rpm.rpm
[01:56] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you
[01:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to make a complete backup of your system?
[01:56] <Chislon> kbrooks, but they have to find the program on line first and download it right?
[01:56] <kbrooks> Chislon: it then installs the rrpm.
[01:56] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes
[01:56] <toxicfume> crimsun: i'm getting an error with modprobe ipw2200
[01:56] <crimsun> good, I expected you would.
[01:56] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: try cpio
[01:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok thanx
[01:56] <toxicfume> crimsun: i screwed up the drivers now? :/
[01:57] <kbrooks> Chislon: same goes with USING dpkg MANUALLY
[01:57] <thor|away> Chislon: apt uses repositories at certain locations on the net so you don't have to search for apps on the web
[01:57] <kbrooks> Chislon: btw, i botched what i said
[01:57] <crimsun> toxicfume: no, you're fine
[01:57] <kbrooks> Chislon: dpkg -i /path/to/deb.deb
[01:57] <crimsun> toxicfume: you just need to remove the older modules
[01:58] <Chislon> kbrooks, well i dont know what that means so its ok lol
[01:58] <toxicfume> crimsun: didn't removing them from lsmod do that?
[01:58] <kbrooks> Chislon: -i == install
[01:58] <Chislon> kbrooks,  and so manually using dpkg would be having to find the program yourself and downloading it and then installing or?
[01:58] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: however I usually perfer a program like unison or rsync
[01:58] <kbrooks> Chislon: either that,  OR using options.
[01:58] <crimsun> toxicfume: no, that only unloads them from memory. It does not physically delete them.
[01:58] <Chislon> kbrooks, == means approximatly? as opposed to = ?
[01:59] <toxicfume> crimsun: oh okay, so where and how do i delete them from?
[01:59] <crimsun> toxicfume: you should be getting errors with ieee80211*
[01:59] <toxicfume> crimsun: yes thats what the errors are with
[01:59] <GammaRay> Chislon: ~ means approximatly == is just the C version of =
[01:59] <kbrooks> Chislon: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/pkg.deb forces overwriting
[01:59] <Chislon> GammaRay, oh ok thank you
[01:59] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok.. i dont know enough to realy be able to understand that tho
[02:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> i need a backup utility thats freindly and gui based to backup one hd to another
[02:00] <kbrooks> Chislon: it CAN be DANGEROUS, but it's useful.
[02:00] <celcik> well thanks benplaut for at least listening to the problem :)
[02:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> that cpio seems a little to complicatd for me lol
[02:00] <benplaut> 'welcome :)
[02:00] <kbrooks> Chislon: man dpkg and man apt.
[02:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> <--windows free for 29 days and lovin it ^_^
[02:01] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: unison has a gui
[02:01] <kbrooks> Chislon: use them.
[02:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> and it will let me backup?
[02:01] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok..
[02:01] <crimsun> toxicfume: ok. Paste the output from the following onto pastebin.com: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'ipw2200.ko'
[02:01] <kbrooks> Chislon: also, someone linked you to TLDP
[02:01] <kbrooks> use that....too....
[02:01] <Chislon> ok
[02:01] <sinope[crashed] > hi hi
[02:01] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: what it does is sync a local foler w/ a remote folder. Not compressed, but a backup.
[02:01] <toxicfume> crimsun: i don't know if i can do that, can't access online right now withthe laptop (ethernet is disabled)
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > my slackware box blew up
[02:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> hmmm
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > and i think i will put ubuntu on it
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > i have only one question
[02:02] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure you can.
[02:02] <crimsun> toxicfume: just run it and type out the output here
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > will i be able to mount a certain partition as /home and leave the contents intact?
[02:02] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : Fire away.
[02:02] <crimsun> toxicfume: it should be at most 2 lines regardless
[02:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> so will i be able to backup my entire hard drive with it onto another hard drive?
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > like i could during slackware install?
[02:02] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , yeah
[02:02] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : yes
[02:02] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: is this over a network?
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > okay, so it will let me handle paritioning
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > good :)
[02:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> nope
[02:03] <gerardo> hola
[02:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> all on the same puter
[02:03] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , the installer is very good
[02:03] <toxicfume> crimsun: i got 2 dir entries: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > i have a paper due monday, so i need something that Just Works(TM)
[02:03] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: you might as well just use cp then
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > thanks guys :)
[02:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> cp?
[02:03] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : inadvisble if /home has contents
[02:03] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , have you tried the Hoary Live CD ?
[02:03] <toxicfume> crimsun: and /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, why?
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > LinuxJones, i'm on knoppix ATM
[02:04] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : vfs masks, thats why
[02:04] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: command line program for copying files
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats cp?
[02:04] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , perfect
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[02:04] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks.... does this mean i'll lose the contents of /home ?
[02:04] <crimsun> toxicfume: paste the contents of /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ in #flood
[02:04] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : no
[02:04] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: simple enought: cp -a / /mnt/new_hdd
[02:04] <sinope[crashed] > hmm. so what am I missing?
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> i was gonna use konserve can it do that?
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[02:04] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : it just HIDES thhe EXISTING /home
[02:04] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: and unlike windows, you *can* actually have it copy everything
[02:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh nice
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > ummm
[02:05] <Dvondrake> hi
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > i don't understand
[02:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> can konserve do the same thing?
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > so i can't just say
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > "use /dev/hdb1 as /home and leave contents intact"
[02:05] <Dvondrake> i have a question about ubunbu and windows (in general)
[02:05] <mpq> I have a problem
[02:05] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : you CAN.
[02:05] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , you can do that
[02:05] <GammaRay> never used it
[02:05] <mpq> every so often something will screw up
[02:05] <mpq> and I can't click
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, aah, ok.  that's all i want to do. :)
[02:05] <mpq> whenever I try to click on a window it acts as if I'm dragging it
[02:06] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok thank you, anything else you want to share with me?
[02:06] <Dvondrake> is it possible to use windows and linux at the same time, but when you boot up to be able to choose which os you want to use?
[02:06] <mpq> and it stops responding to everything
[02:06] <sinope[crashed] > Dvondrake, yes
[02:06] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : just vfs hides the existing /home till u umount
[02:06] <mpq> and I have to turn off the computer by unplugging it
[02:06] <mpq> how do I fix it?
[02:06] <toxicfume> crimsun: pasted
[02:06] <Dvondrake> ok, and will i have to reformat anything?
[02:06] <crimsun> toxicfume: great.
[02:06] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, but this is nothing to worry about, right?
[02:06] <Chislon> i probably just didnt look hard enough, but i dont see on the site where it says when unbuntu first started?
[02:07] <Chislon> er ubuntu sorry
[02:07] <crimsun> toxicfume: sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/
[02:07] <CiRkiT> hello
[02:07] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : it's best to rm -rf /home and recreate it if its not blank
[02:07] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : right
[02:07] <nalioth> Dvondrake: yes, it is called a boot menu, and ubuntu will provide you one if it senses windows
[02:07] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, ah, i understand
[02:07] <celcik> benplaut: iwconfig shows eth0 and one other one but none are ath0
[02:07] <Dvondrake> do i have to reformat my drive in any way to have both windows and ubuntu on?
[02:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> whoa! it's even backing up my mp3 cd lol
[02:07] <crimsun> toxicfume: && sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200/
[02:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> neat
[02:07] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: no
[02:07] <Chislon> CiRkiT, hi
[02:08] <CiRkiT> for some reason when i try to edit my .fluxbox/menu file with an application i have here i save the file the way i modified it...but when i look in the menu it doesnt even show what i just modified
[02:08] <Dvondrake> so theres no chance of any data loss at all, right?
[02:08] <adam> bye
[02:08] <benplaut> well, i'm off to use KDE for a while
[02:08] <benplaut> brb
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Dvondrake, you just need to free up some space on your system's hard drive if there isn't any available right now
[02:08] <CiRkiT> does ubuntu prohibit you from editing certain files? lol
[02:08] <kbrooks> _Church_of_Foamy: mount points are flexible
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > i can use a different WM right?
[02:08] <celcik> benplaut: if i try to get rid of the other wireless card would that help ?
[02:08] <ggeecko> is dashboard similar to beagle??
[02:08] <Dvondrake> ok, thanks
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > anything that's in the Debian apt system?
[02:08] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : everything
[02:08] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: oh.. you might want to use the -x option to cp unless you want to backup mounted floppies and cds also.
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > great!! :)
[02:08] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : tuxracer, you name it
[02:08] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, yeah :)
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, i was thinking more like TeX and ion3
[02:09] <Dvondrake> (i'm not saying i will, but..) is it easy to uninstall ubuntu and go back to windows?
[02:09] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, but tuxracer is fun too
[02:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> well i was gonna rip the mp3's off of it anyway
[02:09] <CiRkiT> LinuxJones, it doesnt let you?
[02:09] <CiRkiT> why is that...thats kinda dumb
[02:09] <toxicfume> crimsun: done, and then?
[02:09] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: yes
[02:09] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, you can but you need to know the magic password
[02:09] <crimsun> toxicfume: sudo depmod -ae
[02:09] <Dvondrake> ok...
[02:09] <Dvondrake> now
[02:09] <sinope[crashed] > become root
[02:09] <CiRkiT> LinuxJones, ?
[02:09] <Dvondrake> just a very general question :P
[02:09] <sinope[crashed] > CiRkiT, man su
[02:09] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: ask
[02:09] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay
[02:10] <CiRkiT> sheesh
[02:10] <CiRkiT> thats nuts lol
[02:10] <Dvondrake> there isnt any way at all that i can lose any data on my hd, as it is now.
[02:10] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, you have to have root permissions to access system level stuff like services and config files and the like.
[02:10] <Dvondrake> i just want to make sure
[02:10] <sinope[crashed] > ummm
[02:10] <Dvondrake> i'm kinda paranoid of that >.<
[02:10] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: there is!
[02:10] <toxicfume> crimsun: and then?
[02:10] <sinope[crashed] > i have a feeling this distro might be a little low-level for me
[02:10] <CiRkiT> LinuxJones, but i do have root permissions when i do it
[02:10] <sinope[crashed] > is it as powerful as debian?
[02:10] <nalioth> Dvondrake: you pushing the power button can void your system of data
[02:10] <nalioth> Dvondrake: with windoze or anything
[02:10] <kbrooks> partition  resizes can be botched!
[02:11] <Dvondrake> :o
[02:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: now make sure you don't have any ieee80211* or ipw2200* modules loaded
[02:11] <sinope[crashed] > i understand ubuntu is basically a streamlined debian
[02:11] <sinope[crashed] > but is it limited from debian?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, open gnome-terminal and type sudo -s (enter your user password) and you should have a root terminal...be carefull of what you do in there it can take your system down very easily :)
[02:11] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: BACKUP YOUR DATA
[02:11] <Dvondrake> haha, yeah
[02:11] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : no
[02:11] <sinope[crashed] > i mean, is there anything i can do easily in debian that i can't do easily in ubuntu?
[02:11] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : no.
[02:11] <ggeecko> does anyone here syncs with the treo 650
[02:11] <Dvondrake> so ubuntu is totally safe, and even a newb can install it with no problems, right?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , it basically is Debian
[02:11] <toxicfume> crimsun: yes they aren't loaded
[02:12] <CiRkiT> i was doing sudo -i LinuxJones ...i thought that was for root as well
[02:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: ok, now sudo modprobe ipw2200
[02:12] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, LinuxJones thanks guys. :) you have answered all my questions
[02:12] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: if you BACKUP, yes
[02:12] <sinope[crashed] > if all goes well i'll be back in af ew hours, running ubuntu
[02:12] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , get working on that install :)
[02:12] <sinope[crashed] > :)
[02:12] <sevets> How do I see all of my drives?
[02:12] <Dvondrake> hmm... is there any chance of it messing up windows?
[02:12] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : ubuntu > slack
[02:12] <nalioth> Dvondrake: ubuntu is the most user friendly distro i've used (and i've been using linux for 5 years)
[02:12] <toxicfume> crimsun: still getting errors :/
[02:13] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:13] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: no. YOU can easily
[02:13] <Dvondrake> lol
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, how's that?
[02:13] <CiRkiT> sudo -s still did me no good
[02:13] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, either is fine
[02:13] <CiRkiT> gr r@ ubuntu
[02:13] <Dvondrake> well, you guys have convinced me (even more) to get ubuntu :P
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > the thing i'm really looking forward to is being able to use apt-get
[02:13] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : huh?
[02:13] <Dvondrake> thanks!
[02:13] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : apt-cache etc
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : ubuntu > slack
[02:13] <nalioth> Dvondrake: with a standard install, not really, but ANYTHING can happen (thats why kbrooks sez BACKUP your data)
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > ah.
[02:13] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : synaptic too
[02:13] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:14] <umass66> hi to all
[02:14] <toxicfume> crimsun: is it okay if we continue tomorrow? it's already 7 in the morning here :|
[02:14] <Dvondrake> but there arent any known bugs or glitches that have happened to some ubuntu users before while installing, right?
[02:14] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : synaptic is a graphical user interface to apt
[02:14] <Dvondrake> i just want to make sure since this is a new computer and i dont want to screw it up, plus i've never used linux before
[02:14] <nalioth> Dvondrake: each users hardware is different
[02:14] <crimsun> toxicfume: what sort? Use pastebin
[02:15] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: there can be. hint: hardware
[02:15] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > uh oh.
[02:15] <nalioth> Dvondrake: if your system is TOTALLY supported, ther eshould be no problems (backup what you want to keep)
[02:15] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : HARDWARE
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > i think the ubuntu iso is about to fill up my knoppix ramdisk
[02:15] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, huh?
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > what about hardware
[02:15] <Dvondrake> well, i just bought it about a month ago, so it should be :P
[02:15] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : misunderstood
[02:15] <Dvondrake> thanks, and you'll see my on ubuntu soon :P
[02:15] <Dvondrake> ... me*
[02:15] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : er, rboot to windows
[02:16] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : do you HAVE it?
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > omg
[02:16] <crimsun> toxicfume1: it's fine if we continue later
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, what!?
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, i never used windows
[02:16] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : never?
[02:16] <Dvondrake> 0.0
[02:16] <kbrooks> ever?
[02:16] <Dvondrake> wha
[02:16] <kbrooks> EVER?
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > well years ago
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > but not in a long time
[02:16] <Dvondrake> i'm just going to leave this window open in case i think of anything i want to ask :P
[02:17] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : well, you need a OS or partition to put that ISO on
[02:17] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ artsdsp audacity
[02:17] <Mez> /home/mez/.kde/share/config/gtkrc:37: error: unexpected identifier `gtk-alternative-button-order', expected keyword - e.g. `style'
[02:17] <Mez> Segmentation fault
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, why would i want windows?
[02:17] <Mez> any ideas anyone
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, i'll burn it to a cd.
[02:17] <toxicfume1> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/295215 <-- there's the error, anyways i gtg see ya later..thanks for all the help :)
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, knoppix has k3b
[02:17] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : i KNOW
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, NOOB :D
[02:17] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : DUDE! rude!
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > </joke>
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > <hug />
[02:18] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : ty.........
[02:18] <kbrooks> :P
[02:18] <Dvondrake> lol
[02:18] <sinope[crashed] > :P
[02:18] <Mez> sinope - shouldnt it be something liek
[02:18] <Mez> <hug person="kbrooks" />
[02:18] <Mez> or
[02:18] <kbrooks> LOL

[02:18] <Mez> tyhough to be fair
[02:19] <Mez> neither are valid
[02:19] <kbrooks> Mez: XML  Syntax ERROR!
[02:19] <Mez> you havent specified a DTD
[02:19] <kbrooks> dtds > *
[02:19] <Mez> or opening / closing tags
[02:19] <locomorto> hey, has anyone here got a mx510 side buttons working properly?
[02:19] <Mez> mmmm
[02:19] <Mez> mx510
[02:19] <Mez> hehe :d I like MX 510s
[02:19] <kbrooks> Mez: that <... /> is OK
[02:20] <Mez> dont know hw to make them worek
[02:20] <Mez> butn they'#re shineh
[02:20] <Mez> not as shineh as a diamondback thoguh
[02:20] <locomorto> i got all the buttons doing something, but the back and forward button are the scroll wheel and vice versa
[02:20] <Mez> kbrooks, I'm messing about :D
[02:20] <locomorto> im using imwheel btw
[02:21] <locomorto> woot i found a good site
[02:21] <locomorto> http://pstudios.ath.cx/linhowtos/mx510.php
[02:21] <kbrooks> lol
[02:21] <kbrooks> well.
[02:21] <kbrooks> ill install GNOME
[02:21] <kbrooks> or should I for a server?
[02:23] <Dvondrake> oh
[02:23] <Dvondrake> forgot one question
[02:23] <dnys> nalioth: i broke one of my mac minis : (
[02:24] <locomorto> how did you do that?
[02:24] <Dvondrake> i'd need to create a partition in order to install ubuntu on a windows machine, still keeping windows intact and working 100% properly, right?
[02:24] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: uh-uh
[02:25] <dnys> locomorto: a 35lb dumbell rolled off my bed and right onto the mac mini i had open
[02:25] <Dvondrake> ermm... is that a no uh-uh or a yeah uh-uh
[02:25] <Dvondrake> cause i've heard both -.-
[02:25] <JDahl> Dvondrake, you need to shrink your windows partition, and then create new linux partitions on the free space
[02:26] <Dvondrake> lol ok
[02:26] <illicit> Can anyone tell me real quit what other IMing clients are availible besides Gaim?
[02:26] <Dvondrake> and the ubuntu installer can make and size the partitions for me, right?
[02:26] <illicit> quick*
[02:26] <dnys> illicit: nAIM
[02:26] <illicit> Thanks
[02:27] <dnys> illicit: its a term aim client
[02:27] <illicit> Dvondrake: No, you need something else like, partition magic to shrink the already partitioned partition
[02:27] <dnys> illicit: why do you need to use something other than gaim?
[02:27] <illicit> dnys: i don't like the giant ass windows :-P
[02:27] <JDahl> cant ubuntu shrink partitions? I thought Hoary could....
[02:27] <dnys> dnys: windows can be resized : )
[02:28] <i386> just hacking around here a little
[02:28] <dnys> illicit: i mean
[02:28] <illicit> Jdahl: i just installed hoary, and i dont think you can
[02:28] <dnys> im a fuckin tard
[02:28] <i386> I need to upgrade my version of libc on hoary to the one in breezy - im i looking at breakage?
[02:29] <JDahl> illicit, I've never tried it, but I thought parted was supposed to do that
[02:29] <illicit> i386: your upgrading libraries to an unstable OS?
[02:29] <i386> illicit, dude, im not freaking dumb
[02:29] <thorsten> h
[02:29] <illicit> JDahl: it can create new partitions but not shrink em
[02:29] <dnys> thoreauputic: do you use breezy?
[02:29] <i386> and I understand that there is a risk that my system will die
[02:29] <illicit> i386: i didnt say you were i was asking a question lol
[02:29] <i386> illicit, oh :P
[02:29] <thoreauputic> dnys: no - i'm not a masochist *grin*
[02:29] <nalioth> breezy can cause system failure, yes
[02:30] <illicit> :-D
[02:30] <dnys> thoreauputic: i didnt think so : D
[02:30] <i386> nalioth, you dont say :P
[02:30] <illicit> ahaha
[02:30] <illicit> i386: don't be so sarcastic, haha
[02:30] <synd> god forsaken NickServ
[02:30] <Dvondrake> oh?
[02:31] <i386> illicit, i cant help it
[02:31] <i386> :P
[02:31] <Dvondrake> i thought ubuntu installer could make partitions
[02:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey thoreauputic you ever get an error activating XKB configuration window popup on startup ?
[02:31] <illicit> Dvondrake: I just installed it twice, you can but you cannot resize partitions
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: never done it...
[02:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm trying to figure out how to fix it
[02:32] <illicit> Dvondrake: When you install windows, it takes the entire partition soo if you have a 20 gig hdd, it probably uses 19.5 of it fro Windows
[02:32] <Dvondrake> oh
[02:32] <illicit> the rest goes to the primary part. (boot record)
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> Q:      What do Winnie the Pooh and John the Baptist have in common?
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> A:      The same middle name.
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> haha lol
[02:33] <illicit> lol
[02:33] <illicit> spanglesontoast: that was the funniest thing ive seen all day
[02:33] <spanglesontoast> don't worry you will pass away very quickly
[02:33] <Dvondrake> but what i mean is, how would i make the partitions work so part of my hd is windows and part is ubuntu? would the ubuntu installer do that for me? (sorry if im kinda being a newb, im new to partitions and linux)
[02:33] <synd> wtf
[02:33] <synd> can you not connect to multiple servers with xchat
[02:34] <illicit> Dvondrake: Okay, ill try to explain.
[02:34] <Razor-X> o_O
[02:34] <illicit> synd: yes you can
[02:34] <Razor-X> today's featured article on Wikipedia is Windows XP!!!!!!!
[02:34] <synd> illicit: ah, just figured it out : )
[02:34] <illicit> Dvondrake: In order to resize a partition you need a program called Partition Magic, i would post it for you but im afraid my isp will send me another letter lol
[02:35] <illicit> Dvondrake: How big is your current Hard Drive?
[02:35] <illicit> synd: Lol good job :-D
[02:35] <Dvondrake> 200 gig
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> hehe got another
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> Q:      What lies on the bottom of the ocean and twitches?
[02:35] <Dvondrake> illicit: 200 gig*
[02:35] <Dvondrake> lol
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> A:      A nervous wreck.
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> hahaha hehe
[02:36] <wal> anyone got mame working well with ubuntu?
[02:36] <illicit> Dvondrake: Alright, how much time do you plan to be spending on Ubuntu?
[02:36] <Dvondrake> hmm...
[02:36] <illicit> Dvondrake: is it just for learning, or do you know enough to keep it?
[02:36] <dell500> i've got 3d acceleration working for my 9600xt card, it was working fine, but now since the comp has been on it's really sluggish
[02:36] <illicit> Dvondrake: PM me
[02:36] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:38] <exwindozeuser> would anyone be able to tell me how I can obtain write-access to a file in the /etc/network directory, when permission is set for only root access? :)
[02:38] <kbrooks> exwindozeuser: chmod o+w /etc/network/file
[02:40] <random_> hello
[02:40] <exwindozeuser> kbrooks: ok thanks, booting back into ubuntu :P
[02:40] <dooglus> how can I tell from the command line whether a package is from main, restricted, universe or multiverse?
[02:41] <kbrooks> dooglus: apt-cache show?
[02:41] <random_> Ok i have a problem. i just got ubuntu and it wont autodetect my sound card so i have no sound. i dont have an onboard so this is the only option. can someone walk me through getting this to work please?
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of getting smiles in x-chat?
[02:41] <LinuxJones> dooglus, apt-cache policy packagname
[02:42] <kbrooks> brb
[02:42] <celcik> why does it seem I am still having this bug ? http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2944  wasn't that fixed ???
[02:42] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone tried the 3d desktop yet ?
[02:42] <dooglus> LinuxJones: that's what I was looking for.  nice one!
[02:43] <LinuxJones> dooglus, ;)
[02:43] <Johnnyfav> how do you connect to a windows computer from ubuntu?
[02:43] <IIIEars> Does this xorg.conf look okay? No glx is available :?     http://pastebin.com/295217
[02:43] <nova> you talking about 3ddesk Pop_pa_FrEaK ?
[02:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes nova
[02:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> 3DWM actually
[02:43] <nova> not very usefull but kind of neat to mess with
[02:43] <nova> 3dwm?
[02:44] <nova> hmm
[02:44] <nova> i was playing with the virtual desk top  thing
[02:44] <nova> right now im just trying to whip my computer in shape with the ati drivers from atis own site
[02:44] <dimeo> how do I set my fstab so I can read and write to my external usb HD as a user.  it only is letting root do it.
[02:44] <nova> cant get direct rendering working though
[02:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what card nova ?
[02:45] <nova> 9k pro 128 meg agp
[02:45] <nova> ive basically given up
[02:45] <nova> ive royaly screwed soethign up
[02:45] <random_> can anyone help me get ubuntu to detect my soundcard?
[02:45] <nova> and wont let direct rendering work
[02:45] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> try this nova http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> Linux [kernel 2.6.10-5-k7]  || CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ at 2210.000MHz [4374.52 bogomips]  || Disk: 50.70 used of 80.19Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.1 Swap: used 0.0/0.0 || Up: 33 Load: 0.14,
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> kool
[02:45] <nova> think ill just re do my ubuntu install tomorow
[02:46] <nova> the the my first howto post Pop_pa_FrEaK ?
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> odd why my memory not being used?
[02:46] <random_> "can anyone help me get ubuntu to detect my soundcard?"
[02:46] <nova> yeh thats the one i followed
[02:46] <nova> but i some how hosed somethign bad lol
[02:46] <IIIEars> !alsaconf
[02:46] <ubotu> I don't know, IIIEars
[02:46] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes nova its a tutorial on using the new ati drivers
[02:46] <nova> mesacrap3d wont go by by
[02:47] <nova> i need to get to the ati etc etc
[02:47] <IIIEars> !Display
[02:47] <ubotu> hmm... display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> it won't work lol
[02:47] <IIIEars> !Resolution
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> I hate ati
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> so going to move to nivida when I get the money
[02:47] <nova> spanglesontoast, i thik its because me and you did nearly the exact same screw up
[02:47] <IIIEars> !ati
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> did you follow thingy earlier
[02:47] <nova> your getting stuck in mesa3d right spanglesontoast ?
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> about compiling?
[02:48] <nova> yup
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> got past that
[02:48] <nova> all of it
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> I tried to compile then I got stuck
[02:48] <nova> i broke some where after that
[02:48] <nova> i acualy got it all working
[02:48] <IIIEars> Does this xorg.conf look okay? No glx is available :?     http://pastebin.com/295217
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> wtf
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> how?
[02:48] <nova> but im stuck direct render no  mesa3d indirect rendering
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> are you sure your not missing a lib?
[02:49] <nova> well when i do it again tomorow ill tell you what ill make up a nice shell script to do it all auto
[02:49] <IcemanV9> !radeon
[02:49] <nova> got by that one
[02:49] <synd> !synd
[02:49] <ubotu> somebody said synd was a badass
[02:49] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> !ati
[02:49] <synd> :>
[02:49] <nova> ill remember how to do it tomorow
[02:49] <nova> while im doing it ill write it down
[02:49] <nova> make a shell script and post it for you heh
[02:49] <jikkl> can anyone help me with an error im getting with debootstrap and warty?
[02:50] <nova> might mean reinstalling ubuntu for you as well though heh
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> can't you just tell me how you did it?
[02:50] <nova> i dont remember off hand
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> well theres no way I'm reinstalling
[02:50] <nova> reaqd all the messages in that post
[02:50] <nova> a few people solved it
[02:50] <nova> whynot 2 lost hours
[02:51] <Johnnyfav> how do you network linux to a windows computer?
[02:51] <nova> i knew this is what would happen with me and linux
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> which post?
[02:51] <nova> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495  <<<< that one
[02:51] <nova> i think is page 4 or 5
[02:52] <chillywilly> anyone ever use the gnome clipboard daemon?
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> that works?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> Johnnyfav, usually folks will install a service called samba
[02:52] <jikkl> this is the error i get while trying to install warty with debootstrap
[02:52] <jikkl> cp: listing attributes of `/etc/resolv.conf': Unknown error 524
[02:52] <nova> yeh
[02:52] <LinuxJones> Johnnyfav, it's for file/printer sharing
[02:52] <nova> but im stuck on mesacrap3d lol
[02:52] <IcemanV9> Johnnyfav: check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> were you planning on not installing xorg
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> and doing it from a fresh?
[02:53] <nova> well my plan is trying it that way first
[02:53] <nova> no xorg
[02:53] <Johnnyfav> thank you
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> bad idea
[02:53] <nova> if that dont work ill use the xorg ones first then update over top as in howto
[02:53] <nova> if that dont work
[02:53] <nova> ill go back to xorg with another fresh install
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> did you  kill gdm?
[02:54] <nova> yep
[02:54] <nova> both ways
[02:54] <dimeo> why doesn't "rw,auto,user	0	0" in my fstab give read write options to users?
[02:54] <nova> its just the damn mesa stuff
[02:54] <Ray|v|an-1010> wich command show me the shell
[02:54] <Ray|v|an-1010> ?
[02:54] <dimeo> what fstab do I need to give users read write access to a usb external HD?
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> they really need a newbies chat room
[02:55] <nova> why
[02:55] <LinuxJones> Johnnyfav, there is a great site for new Ubuntu users at www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:55] <nova> they are damn helpful here spanglesontoast just need to wait a bit
[02:55] <nova> ok trying somethign else brb
[02:55] <ronnie_> anyone know why my mouse keeps freezing on ubuntu?
[02:56] <ronnie_> i tried both serial and usb
[02:56] <ronnie_> the os keeps freezing
[02:56] <IcemanV9> Ray|v|an-1010: echo $SHELL
[02:56] <ronnie_> im running an athlon xp 1800
[02:56] <nova> spanglesontoast, see /msg
[02:56] <Ray|v|an-1010> thanks budy
[02:56] <wowdeb> hey
[02:56] <wowdeb> all
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> Someone please help random_
[02:57] <random_> i just got ubuntu and newly installed with some help from a friend but it will not recognize my soundcard. could someone walk me through a way to fix my problem?
[02:57] <synd> spanglesontoast: eh?
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> look
[02:58] <synd> no shit
[02:58] <synd> are you the friend he speaks of, spanglesontoast ?
[02:58] <wowdeb> pearl?
[02:58] <raDeon> ICEMAN WHAT U WANT
[02:58] <random_> no he isn't
[02:58] <synd> Wolven: thats perl.
[02:58] <wowdeb> perl*
[02:58] <wowdeb> yeah
[02:59] <synd> c++, java
[02:59] <synd> i started with those
[02:59] <ronnie_> random_, im an experianced linux/unix user i just installed this os last night, my mouse keeps freezing, first time i encounterd this with linux/unix, Im thinking this os was built by niggers
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> somebody can help me
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> about
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> no
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> I'm just helping him as no one is listening to him
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> how can i run a macromedia flash in konqueror
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> plugin
[02:59] <raDeon> what do you call a woman who has lost 95% of her intelligence?
[02:59] <wowdeb> synd: what do u think about perl as a starter?
[02:59] <raDeon> divorced
[02:59] <synd> wowdeb: i never have messed with perl.
[03:00] <Ray|v|an-1010> how can i install a macromedia plugin for konqueror
[03:00] <wowdeb> ok cool\
[03:00] <Noggin> Poor Noggin :(  I'm a linux newb and have spent several days trying to install Ubuntu.  Finally was successful today, then I spent 5 hours trying to get ndiswrapper working on my wireless card, and it starts working.  I then blacklist prism54 drivers and set ndiswrapper to take over at boot.... wanted to see if it word work, so I rebooted and now I get a Grub error 17 :(  I want to cry
[03:00] <LinuxJones> ronnie_, stop with the racial slurs !!
[03:00] <synd> raDeon: ronnie_ yes. that was a bit overboard.
[03:00] <wowdeb> synd: visual c++ or just c++ ?
[03:00] <synd> visual
[03:00] <raDeon> that wasn't a racial slur
[03:01] <random_> thanks for trying spangles
[03:01] <raDeon> lol
[03:01] <synd> ruck
[03:01] <synd> fuck
[03:01] <wowdeb> mise as well go visuall basics spose
[03:01] <wowdeb> as a starter
[03:01] <synd> VB is a waste of time
[03:01] <IIIEars> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1669 grub error 17
[03:01] <ronnie_> frooze again
[03:02] <synd> wowdeb: learn assembly code and the rest are cake to pick up.
[03:02] <e0f> hi :) anyone here?
[03:02] <synd> e0f: no
[03:02] <synd> no one is here.
[03:02] <e0f> lol
[03:03] <e0f> synd: i've got a problems for setup my 302t on my ubuntu, do u
[03:03] <e0f> help me?
[03:03] <synd> e0f: aint got a clue to what you are talking about
[03:03] <IcemanV9> ronnie_: try to turn off apci; it had happened to me before on the other box a few times.
[03:04] <e0f> synd: i've got a problem for setup my adsl connection
[03:04] <synd> i have no idea
[03:04] <synd> unless you try to elaborate
[03:05] <e0f> ._.
[03:05] <dimeo> anyone use an external usb HD?
[03:07] <wowdeb> synd: where do i learn asembley code?
[03:09] <KragenSitaker> wowdeb: google "learn assembly language"
[03:09] <KragenSitaker> (spelled correctly)
[03:10] <atholas> wowdeb: try googling for "art of assembly"
[03:10] <wowdeb> KragenSitaker: can you give mes some urls / info
[03:10] <wowdeb> ok
[03:11] <atholas> It's quite a giant free book.
[03:11] <wowdeb> cool :)
[03:12] <KragenSitaker> wowdeb: I'm probably not the best person to ask.  I have written very little assembly in my life, and most of that a lnog time ago
[03:12] <LinuxJones> e0f, do sudo network-admin in a terminal . Check to see if your network card is listed as a device.
[03:12] <JoshYme1> I just got ubuntu up and running and it never asked for a root password - what does it default to??
[03:12] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, Ubuntu uses sudo
[03:12] <JoshYme1> sudo??
[03:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> JoshYme1, its the password you put in as a user
[03:13] <stevo_incoH> JoshYme1: you can run sudo passwd root to change that pw.
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> JoshYme1: you don't normally use root's password in ubuntu
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> JoshYme1: instead you have some users who have the authority to sudo things as root
[03:13] <JoshYme1> ok gotcha
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> so you can say "sudo ls" or "sudo apt-get install something"
[03:13] <elroot> hi....when I try to start sending a file using skype it says it's using relayed transmission...and this is because the firewall (i've firestarter)....how can I resolve this?..relayed transmissions is very slow:S
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> and it will do that as root
[03:13] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, for more info >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:14] <stevo_incoH> Hey, can someone help me get my mouse (touchpad) working by chance? :)
[03:14] <e0f> LinuxJones: i do only sudo network-admin ?
[03:15] <stevo_incoH> I just installed, but no mouse :(
[03:16] <LinuxJones> e0f, yes enter your users password when prompted
[03:16] <IcemanV9> stevo_incoH: check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticsTouchpadHowto
[03:17] <e0f> LinuxJones: thanks :)
[03:17] <sinope> hiya!
[03:17] <sinope> i'm now running ubuntu!
[03:17] <LinuxJones> e0f, if your card is listed then you should run pppoeconf to configure your adsl connection
[03:18] <LinuxJones> sinope, welcome aboard :)
[03:18] <sinope> :)
[03:18] <wowdeb> KragenSitaker: looks like the book for it anyway ,  thanks :)
[03:18] <sinope> thanks LinuxJones
[03:18] <sinope> i have a few questions
[03:18] <sinope> how can i change my default desktop?
[03:18] <sinope> also, what sound server is running?
[03:18] <sinope> i can't get any xmms output...
[03:18] <e0f> LinuxJones: after i do only ifconfig -a and look ppp0's work ?
[03:19] <LinuxJones> e0f, yeah if your card is listed that should be it
[03:19] <e0f> LinuxJones: thanks :)
[03:19] <LinuxJones> sinope, www.ubuntuguide.org for lots of good stuff :)
[03:20] <LinuxJones> e0f, ;)
[03:20] <sinope> great thanks :D
[03:20] <LinuxJones> sinope, the wiki/forums board is awesome you can search on the www.ubuntulinux.org site and get help with tons of stuff as well
[03:21] <KragenSitaker> it's so great that everyone here is so helpful
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i play mp3 in rhythmbox?
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> surely there has got to be a way
[03:21] <LinuxJones> BROKEN_LADDER, you need to install the codec
[03:22] <LinuxJones> BROKEN_LADDER, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:23] <LinuxJones> KragenSitaker, this is one of the best irc help channels I have been in, in terms of friendliness and great community spirit :)
[03:24] <sinope> thanks LinuxJones  :)
[03:24] <nova> bleh
[03:24] <JoshYme1> i'm trying to install ndiswrapper and when i do make i get can't find sources in /lib/moduesl/kernel
[03:24] <nova> this just is not working
[03:24] <nova> no matter what i try i can not get direct rendering
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> lol
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> you have more than one machine nova?
[03:24] <nova> na
[03:24] <nova> well i do
[03:24] <illicit> Joshymel: what kind of wifi card do you have?
[03:25] <elroot> .when I try to start sending a file using skype it says it's using relayed transmission...and this is because the firewall (i've firestarter)....how can I resolve this?..relayed transmissions is very slow:S
[03:25] <nova> but this is the one ive been working on
[03:25] <KragenSitaker> LinuxJones: i think so too
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> I still need to get my mates wifi working
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> ndiswrapper failed
[03:25] <illicit> spanglesontoast: ndiswrapper on ubuntu = shit
[03:26] <illicit> i can't ever get a broadcom minipci card to work lol
[03:26] <nova> one more thing to try
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[03:26] <illicit> so i bought a dlink 802.11 B and without any configuration the wireless tools picked it upp
[03:26] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, have you tried running depmod -Ae ?
[03:26] <illicit> SO FOR ANYONE USING UBUNTU AND THEY WANT WIRELESS BUY A DLINK CARD
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> mine is from the uk and it's made by british telecom
[03:26] <JoshYme1> linukso: yeah i just ran that and still the same thing.
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> so
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> I doubt it will be supported
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> that was quick
[03:27] <nova> hmm
[03:27] <nova> theres got to be somethign im over looking
[03:27] <nova> yeh trying stuff in xorg.conf
[03:27] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, the build seemed to go ok for you, it didn't spit out a bunch of errors ?
[03:28] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: not during installation of ubuntu but with ndiswrapper i can't do  amka ebecause it says it an not find the kernel sources  how do i figure that one out ??
[03:28] <ukato> i have a question
[03:29] <spanglesontoast> has irc.shameless.net been hijacked by a porn firm?
[03:29] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, so you only have 1 wireless network card in that machine correct ?
[03:29] <JoshYme1> yes that is right
[03:29] <asdfawsd> hi
[03:29] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, sorry you don't have an onboard nic as well ?
[03:29] <JoshYme1> oh yes i do
[03:29] <KragenSitaker> i'm pretty happy with my old lucent wifi card too
[03:29] <JoshYme1> that is what i'm using
[03:29] <Curlydave> hi
[03:29] <JoshYme1> but i want to get the wifi card going
[03:29] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, perfect
[03:29] <Curlydave> does anyoen know how to install themes?
[03:30] <Curlydave> it says my file is invalid
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> gtk themes?
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> what themes?
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:30] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, open a gnome-terminal and type     sudo apt-get update && apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> illicit which dlink?
[03:32] <JoshYme1> linukso: ok so it is downloading the kernel source now?
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> my girlfriend's account has a weird issue when i log into gnome; the splash screen doesn't go away.  anyone know how to fix this?
[03:32] <elroot> Curlydave, go to System->Preffs->Themes and drag-n-drop the theme file there
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> that one ok?
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45001&item=5778770773&rd=1
[03:32] <Curlydave> elroot, it says it's invalid
[03:32] <elroot> ...try another theme
[03:34] <nova> ho to return kernal version again
[03:34] <spanglesontoast> no luck?
[03:35] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: now i need gcc
[03:35] <nova> not yet
[03:35] <Curlydave> do you know what file the theme is considered to be?
[03:35] <Curlydave> or folder?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:35] <e0f> LinuxJones, thanks, now i connect with my ubuntu :)
[03:35] <LinuxJones> e0f, sweet :)
[03:36] <e0f> i'm happy :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> e0f, good to hear !!
[03:39] <Curlydave> doesa anyone know how to install themes?
[03:39] <nova> brb to try this
[03:39] <nova> here goes every thing
[03:39] <elroot> Curlydave, its a tar.gz right?
[03:39] <Curlydave> elroot, yep
[03:39] <minimidgy> how do i view a listing of all of the channels?
[03:39] <elroot> where did you get the theme?
[03:39] <Curlydave> elroot, gnome art
[03:39] <spanglesontoast> irc.shamelessnet.net does that channel exist?
[03:40] <elroot> whats the name?
[03:40] <elroot> of the theme.....
[03:40] <Curlydave> elroot, any theme
[03:40] <Curlydave> elroot, dropline etiquite
[03:40] <Curlydave> elric, experiencecrystal
[03:40] <Curlydave> elroot, etc'
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> how come I can access shamelessnet from mirc and I cannot from xchat?
[03:42] <dougsk> spanglesontoast, I'd suspect they require an ident daemon
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> how do I get that?
[03:42] <elroot> Curlydave, it works for me
[03:43] <JoshYme1> i'm trying to install prism drivers - how do you extract a bz2 file ??