[00:47] <tvbuntu> hello,I want to use a .png file for nautilus status bar and I couldn't find how
[00:49] <tvbuntu> in gtkrc of the theme i want to modify is specified only the resize grip
[00:50] <tvbuntu> nothing about the status bar
[00:50] <tvbuntu> well,can I get some help from you?
[00:52] <tvbuntu> ?
[00:53] <tvbuntu> I thought people on these channels want to help the others
[00:56] <tvbuntu> ?
[01:02] <tvbuntu> ?
[01:08] <tvbuntu> ?
[02:44] <cozziemoto> .whois tvbuntu
[12:54] <coz_> good day all
[12:55] <undurundur> too..
[15:14] <coz_> ok I have to break here....be back in a bit
[16:29] <thorwil> some activity on http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205084
[17:00] <evilvish> thorwil: it would be nice if you sent that activity is going on there, to the list too charlie would be happy.. :)
[17:01] <thorwil> evilvish: hmm, i think i wait with that, until there's a bit more to see
[17:01] <evilvish> haha! i just figured out what your avatar meant ;p
[17:01] <evilvish> on the blender form..
[17:01] <evilvish> thorwil: cool.. :)
[17:02] <thorwil> heh
[17:03] <evilvish> lol!! http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205083&p=1761935&viewfull=1#post1761935
[17:04] <evilvish> they must have thought you were spamming!!
[17:04] <evilvish> BUT NO , EDubuntu and Xubuntu are different ;p
[17:06] <thorwil> evilvish: i was really amazed of the sherlock holmes like ability. no wait, i meant captain obvious!
[17:12] <thorwil> that's the level of work i'm hoping for: http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=203997


[21:02] <thumper> morning folks
[21:05] <mwhudson> thumper: you haven't turned into a zombie then?
[21:06] <thumper> no... survived with all my lives
[21:09] <hazmat> thumper, fully encrypted email to public list?
[21:09] <thumper> hazmat: yeah, no idea what happened there
[21:09]  * thumper is trying to work it out
[21:10] <thumper> I can't even open the item in my sent mail :-(
[21:10] <thumper> I wrote heaps
[21:10] <thumper> damn
[21:10] <hazmat> fwereade_, i'm not convinced that the something-changed hook is actually a step forward compared to the default-hook impl.. the former requires rewriting charms with an entirely different frame of mind to utilize, while the later is a simple optimization that removes tedium.
[21:11] <hazmat> although both need a feature flag
[21:29] <rick_h__> thumper: defeated by the gpg :P
[21:34] <thumper> rick_h__: yeah...
[22:37]  * thumper goes to make another coffee
[22:52] <thumper> lol - Panic: Invalid user tag "not touched" (PC=0x414676)
[22:52] <thumper> panic: Invalid user tag ""
[22:55] <thumper> gnn,,,
[22:55] <thumper> hmm... even
[23:24] <davecheney> thumper: waigani menn0 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/531
[23:25] <menn0> davecheney, thumper, waigani: and here's mine https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/508
[23:25] <menn0> davecheney: looking at yours now
[23:26] <thumper> hmm...
[23:26] <wallyworld> thumper: interesting lxc issue in bug 1357552 - some but not all containers can't see the http server on port 8040 which is used to provide tools into the containers via curl. sigh
[23:26] <mup> Bug #1357552: lxc containers created, juju can't seen or communicate with them <landscape> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.20:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357552>
[23:27] <thumper> I'm wanting the git equivalent of 'bzr diff -r -2..-1'
[23:27] <thumper> I want the diff of the last merge
[23:27] <thumper> git diff HEAD^ HEAD doesn't quite do it
[23:27] <thumper> as it shows the last commit, not the last merge diff
[23:27] <thumper> any git gurus?
[23:27] <thumper> wallyworld: that's weird
[23:27] <thumper> wallyworld: sounds like an lxc networking problem
[23:28] <wallyworld> we have a few lxc issues at the moment
[23:28]  * thumper nods
[23:28] <wallyworld> :-(
[23:28] <wallyworld> i could understand if all containers failed
[23:28] <wallyworld> but not some
[23:29] <wallyworld> thumper: i'm thinking we should just mount a host dir into the container and grab the tools from there rather than a http server
[23:29] <davecheney> wallyworld: why not use wget -c
[23:29] <wallyworld> i wonder if that will work for nested
[23:29] <menn0> thumper: does "git show -m <sha>" give you what you want?
[23:29] <davecheney> then it'll loop automagically
[23:30] <thumper> wallyworld: I'd really prefer if we didn't treat lxc too specially
[23:30] <thumper> but I can see the desire
[23:30] <wallyworld> davecheney: i have no idea, someone else used curl
[23:30] <thumper> menn0: shows the last commit
[23:30] <thumper> not the last merge
[23:30] <wallyworld> thumper: lxc is already special - there's a big hack in machine agent to start the http server :-(
[23:31] <thumper> wallyworld: yeah, but we are changing that aren't we?
[23:31] <thumper> we want machine 0 to be a container
[23:31] <thumper> any change like this just makes that move harder
[23:31] <wallyworld> thumper: sure, but we do need a way to get stuff passed in
[23:31] <thumper> agreed
[23:32] <thumper> but lets not make it hard for us to move where we want to go
[23:33] <wallyworld> how is mounting a host dir making it hard? don't we want to do that anyway for charm develppment?
[23:33] <menn0> thumper: does this help? http://stackoverflow.com/a/7335580
[23:35] <thumper> wallyworld: yes we do (ish)
[23:37] <thumper> hah... found out why we are now panicing making user tags
[23:37] <thumper> in the past, when we created a user tag from a string, there was no validation
[23:37] <thumper> now there is
[23:37] <davecheney> thumper: BOMM!
[23:37] <davecheney> names.NewXXXTag is only for testing
[23:38] <davecheney> or when you are very very sure that what you are passing it is a valid tag
[23:38] <davecheney> in which case, you should probably just use names.ParseXXXTag
[23:39] <thumper> should still be valid though
[23:39] <davecheney> what is the line ?
[23:40] <thumper> environs/cloudinit_test.go line 49 ish
[23:41] <thumper> although I have another
[23:41] <thumper> Tag:        names.NewUserTag(info.APICredentials().User),
[23:41] <thumper> from juju/api.go
[23:41] <thumper> seems that the user is blank
[23:41] <thumper> blank isn't a valid tag
[23:41] <thumper> s/tag/user/
[23:41] <thumper> grr
[23:41] <davecheney> bingo
[23:42] <davecheney> thumper: why do the apiserver tests embed another test suite ?
[23:42] <davecheney> type rsyslogSuite struct { testing.JujuConnSuite *commontesting.EnvironWatcherTest
[23:42] <thumper> NFI
[23:42] <davecheney> the embedding with a pointer means that the EnvironWEatcherTets are run when the rsyslogSuite tests are rung
[23:42] <davecheney> run
[23:42] <thumper> ah...
[23:42] <thumper> yes, that is by design
[23:42] <davecheney> continue
[23:43]  * thumper thinks back
[23:43] <davecheney>         s.EnvironWatcherTest = commontesting.NewEnvironWatcherTest(
[23:43] <davecheney>                 api, s.State, s.resources, commontesting.NoSecrets)
[23:43] <davecheney> oh
[23:43] <thumper> there were situations where each other test had a copy of the common test functions
[23:43] <davecheney> this is somet facade thing
[23:43] <thumper> I consolidated them
[23:43] <thumper> yeah
[23:43] <davecheney> hmm
[23:43] <davecheney> i still don't see what it does
[23:43] <thumper> it isn't great
[23:43] <thumper> it repeats a lot of stuff
[23:44] <thumper> but it is better than it was
[23:44] <davecheney> well
[23:44] <davecheney> i sort of do
[23:44] <thumper> I agree it isn't correct yet
[23:44] <thumper> just 'less shit'
[23:44] <davecheney> 'cos it is this logic that does the canAuth("") logic
[23:46] <davecheney> lucky(~/src/github.com/juju/juju/state/apiserver) % grep -e 'can.*(\"' -r *
[23:46] <davecheney> common/environwatcher.go:       if !canWatch("") {
[23:46] <davecheney> common/environwatcher.go:       if !canReadSecrets("") {
[23:46] <davecheney> common/environmachineswatcher.go:       if !canWatch("") {
[23:46] <davecheney> provisioner/provisioner.go:     if !canWatch("") {
[23:46] <davecheney> the best i can make from this logic is
[23:46] <davecheney> if !anyone is allowed to watch ...
[23:52] <menn0> davecheney: review done
[23:55] <davecheney> ta
[23:57] <wallyworld> thumper: you are assigned to bug 1320543, are you working on it?
[23:57] <mup> Bug #1320543: debug-log uses internal names for filtering <debug-log> <usability> <juju-core:Triaged by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320543>
[23:57] <thumper> wallyworld: no
[23:57] <wallyworld> ok
[23:57]  * wallyworld unassigns


[10:21] <lamase> hi
[10:22] <lamase> A system error occurred
[10:22] <lamase> i cant register
[10:28] <JanC> you can register on the main ubuntu site
[10:28] <JanC> ?


[00:00] <cardolive> hello?
[00:00] <nagev> hello :)
[00:01] <cardolive> i'm installing xubuntu but it doesn't recognize my wire-less adapter
[00:01] <Unit193> What's the chipset?  lspci -v should tell you.
[00:03] <cardolive> the instalation is not fullfield yet
[00:05] <cardolive> that is not complete yet
[04:15] <sketch_> hello all... i need to know how to get libtorrents so i can use live usb install...
[04:18] <holstein> sketch_: live USB's install doesnt require libtorrents.. what are you trying to do?
[04:20] <sketch_> ok i got a program called liveusb installer and unless i pre DL the iso i cant use it, i want to use the dropdown menu of different distros and it asks for libtorrents
[04:22] <holstein> sketch_: if you require the iso, you can just download it
[04:22] <holstein> !download
[04:22] <holstein> you dont have to use torrents, but you can
[04:23] <sketch_> its just easyer with one program... i can just pop in a fresh fat32 usb choose the distro i want and then wait...
[04:24] <sketch_> unetbootin has the same feature
[04:24] <holstein> sure.. you choose from predownloaded isos? correct? download from above and point what you like to it
[04:24] <holstein> i download the iso direct, or using a torrent, and use the iso with unetbootin
[04:26] <sketch_> thats the way i normally do it but i couldnt get unetbootin to work in xubuntu
[04:26] <sketch_> hence why i was trying to get LiveUSB installer to work
[04:27] <holstein> sketch_: sudo apt-get install unetbootin should be about all it takes.. how did you install "liveUSB installer"?
[04:27] <sketch_> same
[04:27] <holstein> sudo apt-get install liveUSB-installer ?
[04:27] <holstein> its in the repos?
[04:28] <holstein> !liveusb
[04:28] <sketch_> im guessin
[04:28] <holstein> sketch_: how is you *precisely* install it?
[04:28] <holstein> did you *
[04:29] <sketch_> ummmm honestly i dont remember
[04:30] <sketch_> http://live.learnfree.eu/download
[04:31] <holstein> sketch_: if you didnt get it from the default repos, then you'll need to ask whoever maintains it for support.. or, just download the ISO and point the application to it manually.. or try installing unetbootin..
[04:32] <sketch_> i just tried unetbootin again
[04:33] <holstein> sketch_: excellent.. if you would like to share any issues you are having with a volunteer here, you may find assistance.. otherwise, enjoy!
[04:33] <sketch_> thx i got it now
[04:34] <holstein> sketch_: potentially handy tip.. i *always* format the sticks when making a bootable usb stick
[04:35] <sketch_> so do i...
[09:45]  * Noskcaj is away: I'm either at school or soccer. or i just don't like you.
[09:46] <Noskcaj> stupid xchat
[12:41] <Slash0mega> is there a way to stop a live cd with persistance to stop running its initinalization scripts every time i boot? it keeps overwrigting my changes and i would like to delete the "xubuntu
[12:41] <Slash0mega> " user
[12:43] <Sysi> if you want to use xubuntu consistently from USB stick, you should do actual instalaltion to it from CD or other usb stick
[12:44] <Slash0mega> i was told that would ware it out.
[12:45] <Slash0mega> because of how many read/writes it would do
[12:45] <Sysi> not probable in several years
[12:46] <bullgard4> Slash0mega: If you want to circumvent the wear-out please install Xubuntu on a hard disk.
[12:46] <Slash0mega> oh, i was under the impression it would only be usable for half a year or somthing. thank you very much :D
[12:47] <Sysi> I haven't done that myself, but I've never seen USB stick dying from too much usage
[12:49] <Slash0mega> ill look into it
[13:28] <Slash0mega> ok, i am really paranoid about installing xubuntu strait to my flash drive at this point, so i think ill just poke around the scripts folder for now...
[13:29] <cfhowlett> Slash0mega, you're dual booting?  consider virtualbox
[13:35] <Slash0mega> i am not duel booting, i am without a hardrive at the moment, i am using a live cd with persistance
[13:35] <Slash0mega> on a flash stick
[13:36] <Slash0mega> i asked about disabling the initinalization scripts of the live cd because it kept overwriting my changes, reseting the desktop to default and all that, and someone recomened i install strait to the usbdrive
[13:36] <Slash0mega> but i am worried about waring it down if i do that
[13:37] <cfhowlett> Slash0mega, usb's are cheap ...
[13:40] <Slash0mega> i guess so, but i would rather not have to replace it often
[13:42] <cfhowlett> Slash0mega, "often" ... time to get a hard drive maybe?
[13:44] <Slash0mega> i know i need to get one. :/
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Slash0mega, sooner rather than later.  I'd say go with the usb install and expect it to fail.   Back essential documents to cloud storage ... ubuntu one or dropbox.
[13:48] <Slash0mega> i hope i can get the new hd on the 3rd comming up, but for now, i think ill keep using persistance and live with the limited costomization...
[13:49] <Slash0mega> wait, can i set up a script that will log out of a defalt user and log into another?
[15:07] <xubuntu498> I am new to xubuntu. I replaced my slow window xp with raring ringtail. I like the improvement. Just a few things though ... there is a learning curve ... I am not a programmer, and find xubuntu a little difficult to figure out. Any recommendations as to where to start with learning ?   Also, I cannot attach my Brother printer, as there is no recognized driver. I did find the driver at the Brother website, but now what ?   How d
[15:07] <SonikkuAmerica> What's your Brother printer?
[15:08] <xubuntu498> Brother MFC-J415W
[15:10] <SonikkuAmerica> 64-bit machine?
[15:11] <xubuntu498> No, I believe a 32-bit machine. How can I determine that info ?   (told you I was a rookie !)
[15:12] <SonikkuAmerica> [ uname -a ] in terminal ... look for "i386," "x86_64" or "amd64"
[15:14] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu498: I have to go... but check this link out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1653321
[15:16] <xubuntu498> thank you !
[15:56] <Ingenuity> Hello all.
[15:56] <nagev> Hello!
[15:57] <Ingenuity> Does anyone know if the new Xubuntu has EFI support?
[15:58] <holstein> !uefi | Ingenuity is this what you are looking for?
[15:58] <Unit193> 64bit does, 32 doesn't.
[15:59] <Ingenuity> Thanks,ubottu! That's my answer.
[16:01] <bekks> !bot | Ingenuity
[16:01] <holstein> a better question might be, does EFI support xubuntu.. or is ubuntu allowed to support EFI when the machine is forced to use it
[18:00] <xubuntu994> c'è qualche italiano?
[18:00] <Unit193> !it
[18:01] <th3pr0ph3t> :O
[18:01] <th3pr0ph3t> !es
[19:16] <dsan> I have AMD E2-3200 APU graphic card and having trouble with ubuntu's unity. could anyone tell me if I need xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop to get a better GUI performance?
[19:48] <th3pr0ph3t> dsan, what I know is that xfce as in xubuntu is way faster than unity, I don't have problems with my amd cards ever
[19:58] <haljhon> I would think that you should start by analyzing the performance of your graphics card separate from any GUI effects
[19:59] <haljhon> maybe start by checking your performance with something like glxgears to see how many fps you're turning...
[19:59] <haljhon> also seeing what driver is being used and determining if there's a better driver or modifications that should be made to improve performance.
[20:51] <xubuntu216> Newbie here. How do I install the driver for a Brother mfc-w415j printer ?   Xubuntu isn't picking it up. How do I use the terminal commands ?
[20:53] <holstein> xubuntu216: what terminal commands in particular?
[20:54] <xubuntu216> Thanks for your help. Once at the brother website, I found the driver install. Now what ?   Download to a file ?
[20:55] <holstein> xqif you get a driver that is not maintained by ubuntu, the vendor is responsible for suppporting it.. and letting you know how to use it.. though, if you find a readme or directions, i dont mind taking a look
[21:41] <xubuntu308> xubuntu?
[21:58] <th3pr0ph3t> hi, how can I contact the developers of gmusicbrowser? ... it's the shimmer project? (http://shimmerproject.org/)
[21:59] <th3pr0ph3t> I'd like to help with the translation
[22:03] <th3pr0ph3t> nevermind, found it at http://gmusicbrowser.org/translations.html
[22:06] <haljhon> ;)


[15:59] <blackboxsw> aciba: cloud-init SRU uploads have now be dput to both ubuntu -proposed review pockets and ppa:cloud-init-dev/proposed
[16:00] <blackboxsw> for Ubuntu focal, jammy, lunar and mantic
[16:52] <holmanb> minimal: I know you were considering adding ds-identify before the new year. Is that something you plan on working on in the near future? If not I'd like to create a github issue to capture that and save the comments you made earlier about required changes to ds-identify.
[17:07] <minimal> yes, I'm have been working on that over the holiday period (as well as cc_growpart stuff)
[17:09] <minimal> I have some local ds-identify changes that I need to test, just got sidetracked with the growpart stuff lol
[18:27] <aciba> thanks blackboxsw for the uploads!
[18:27] <blackboxsw> np aciba heading through your deb822 pr now thx
[21:51] <holmanb> minimal: nice, happy to help review that when ready
[21:53] <meena> holmanb: first you gotta review my PR that touches ds-identify
[21:53] <meena> the one that's already submitted
[21:53] <holmanb> meena: I'm looking at that one now :)
[21:53] <meena> nice
[21:54] <holmanb> everyone wants to change ds-identify lately lol
[21:56] <meena> would be cool if you could do `with contextlib.suppress(FileNotFoundError) and open(lease_file, "r") as fd:` just like that in one line
[21:58] <holmanb> meena: there's a way to chain context managers
[21:58] <holmanb> meena: not as a slick language feature like that, but using a builtin module
[21:59] <holmanb> https://docs.python.org/3/library/contextlib.html#contextlib.ExitStack
[22:01] <falcojr> we used it a lot in tests as a way to mock a bunch of things without having a ton of nested context manager mocks or a million mock decorators on each function. The mocker fixture takes care of that now though
[22:01] <meena> that is mentioned here too https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3024925/create-a-with-block-on-several-context-managers
[22:03] <meena> looks like a builtin feature to me: ,
[22:03] <falcojr> would the first syntax in that accepted answer work? `with contextlib.suppress(...), open(...) as fd:` ?
[22:04] <meena> I wonder
[22:05] <meena> would recover one indentation level here, https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/4728/files
[22:05] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 4728 in canonical/cloud-init "Minor dhcp fixes" [Open]
[22:07] <holmanb> nice suggestion, that works
[22:08] <holmanb> just pushed the update
[22:09] <meena> 🚀
[22:10] <meena> I need to fix a few tests I've written then that could benefit from this
[23:34] <holmanb> meena: review submitted
[23:58] <minimal> holmanb: is the WSL datasource invisible? ;-)
[23:58] <holmanb> minimal: the python part of it?
[23:59] <holmanb> minimal: I guess they're contributing that seperately
[23:59] <holmanb> but we've already talked about their approach internally so I know that the datasource implementation in python is comming next


[00:04] <Ichat> jackTO -  if your that new to apache and all -  you might want to 'look'  for a 'of the shelve '  solution for your webhosting needs,    i.e.   isp-config
[00:04] <Ichat> or webmin/usermin
[00:04] <Ichat> i.e. those will also manager your 'domain  issues for you    like   domains   and sub.domains and all
[00:05] <JackTO> isthere any performance gain of havin files in root vs virtual host, i'm using webmin
[00:06] <Ichat> nope - cuze vhosts  are running on there own child processes....
[00:06] <Ichat> as if they are seperate programms in sort
[00:07] <JackTO> so its cleaner having every site in its own serpearte directory
[00:07] <Ichat> yep
[00:07] <JackTO> cool thanks
[00:07] <Ichat> yw
[00:20]  * ccheney is close to knowing which kernel broke it
[00:36] <ccheney> Daviey, 2.6.33 seems to be the culprit
[00:40] <hggdh> kirkland: stretching out the run-instances lowers the amount of failures
[00:56] <ccheney> Daviey, strike that, i am not sure why i thought 33 failed, it seems to work now, i might have been looking at the wrong kernel
[01:30] <JackTO> hi all, I'm trying to run an php script on my newly consigured 10.04 server running LAMP, but when I try to access the php page from a browser, i get a blank white screen..any idea of what going on?  is there any way to make sure php is running?  is it setup by default?
[01:31] <ccheney> argh!
[01:35] <ccheney> upgrading to current maverick and creating the symlink still leaves it not seeing any NCs for me :-\
[01:35]  * ccheney goes off to find dinner
[01:47] <JackTO> if i messed up apache by deleting the default virtual host, is there an easy way to reinstall apache fresh with the orig files
[02:18] <jmarsden> JackTO: sudo apt-get purge apache2 && sudo apt-get install apache2     # should work fine?
[03:26] <chewbranca> I'm following this guide http://cssoss.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/eucalyptus-beginner%E2%80%99s-guide-%E2%80%93-uec-edition-chapter-4-%E2%80%93-image%C2%A0management/ to build a custom EMI image, I've got the OS installed and I can connect in with vnc through the node, but I can't connect to the instance itself, its sitting on a different subnet and I can't get to it, any ideas on how to connect in?
[03:43] <kaushal> hi
[03:43] <kaushal> is it a good place to discuss about tcpdump ?
[05:56] <Jack-in-Box> anyone know what this ioCube crap does?   my php script apparently won't work unless I install it...   and I did, but it still doesn't run...
[05:56] <Jack-in-Box> ioncube
[05:58] <jmarsden> It's a PHP obfuscator/encoder thing for commercial PHP ... not much use of that in Ubuntu.  Your PHp scriupt, if you wrote it, does not need ioncube.
[05:59] <Jack-in-Box> well, i bought some php software to run a social network site at work, but it has an installer that requires it...  well maybe the whole software requires it i dunno..but the install.php just comes up as a blank page
[05:59] <Jack-in-Box> i tried to install it, and created a test.php that shows its there, but i don't think its working
[05:59] <jmarsden> Jack-in-Box: Then you are stuck unless you can make it work, or find open source social network software to replace it...
[06:00] <Jack-in-Box> is ubuntu compatible with ioncube?
[06:00] <jmarsden> I have no idea.  ioncube does not seem to be in the Ubuntu repositories, so it is not well known/well supported by the Ubuntu community, as far as I can see.
[06:01] <Jack-in-Box> fair enough...
[06:01] <Jack-in-Box> ya hard to find stuff on it....
[06:01] <Jack-in-Box> what is the advantage of a developer using it?
[06:02] <jmarsden> They can prevent others from reading/copying their (closed source) code.  So they can sell it.  As far as I know, that's all.
[06:03] <Jack-in-Box> ahh, that makes sense, the author was very concerned about that...  lol
[06:03] <Jack-in-Box> hate closed source code!!!!
[06:03] <jmarsden> Ubuntu is much more about open source software... look harder for open source tools that will do what you need.
[06:04] <Jack-in-Box> i agree
[06:09] <unewbie> i can't connect to my kvm guest os, the host and guest are hardy server
[07:40] <Error404NotFound> I am about to create a script that will create/delete, enable/disable vhost from a reverse proxy box. This script will be only accessed by my web application residing on another box. What language should i use? and how should app-box access the script?
[07:40] <Error404NotFound> I am very concerned about security, so i can't write in php as i will have to allow system(), and such functions.
[07:49] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: how are you going to create/delete enable/disable the vhost?
[07:49] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, by creating a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[07:51] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: I'd create a different dir than sites-available .. just to keep the dynamic stuff seperate.
[07:52] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, ok, and? question is what language to use, how to call this script for my app-box (using a cakephp built app) and how to supply paramters, all over a secure channel.
[07:52] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: you should also have the script running on a different instance of apache on an unknown, different port.
[07:52] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: then you can use PHP if you want... just lock it down so only the reverse proxy can do it.
[07:52] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, should this script be actually available on web?
[07:53] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: I'd say definitely not. ;)
[07:54] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, yes, then why use a different apache? i mean isn't there any other method to call script from another box and supply paramters?
[07:56] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: you can run the different apache as a different user, that way only *that* apache can write to the configs of the public one.
[07:56] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: yes, you could just use ssh. :)
[07:58] <Error404NotFound> I am thinking about running a IP based restricted nginx vhost on 8899 (or random) port to host that script. But again, should it really be in PHP?
[07:59] <Error404NotFound> If i use same PHP with nginx and Apache, the function disallow applied in /etc/php5/php.ini will be applicable to both, right?
[08:02] <Error404NotFound> yes, the one used with nginx will be fastcgi one, so its php.ini will be different, /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini
[08:03] <Error404NotFound> Now question is should be it be in PHP? if i use PHP i would need system() only once to reload apache.
[08:17] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: again, you could just as easily do this w/ ssh
[08:17] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, ssh is not an option :'( I need to look for a php-ssh library
[08:18] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: you have php on your reverse proxy too?
[08:18] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, my app-box is as Cloud Site on Rackspace so i can't modify packages in the operating systems.
[08:19] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, no, but if i write the script in php, i will need to install it.
[08:20] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: how often are these virtualhosts going to be added?
[08:20] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS, quite often, launching a lot of new service/product every now and then...
[10:48] <madneon> hello, ldap on 10.04 anyone?
[11:01] <madneon> did anyone manage to install openldap on 10.04?
[12:03] <tdn> Can I use Ubuntu server as a sound server, so that I can stream sound from programs like mplayer on the clients and then stream the sound to the server, who will then output the sound via its sound card?
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> I understand that OpenVZ support was removed in Ubuntu but was going to be replaced with LXC. Is this the case with Ubuntu 10.04 that LXC is fully available to run?
[12:40] <jo-erlend_> tasksel just did something quite insane. I run "sudo tasksel remove mail-server" and it installed lots and lots of stuff, including phpmyadmin. Why is that?
[12:40] <jo-erlend_> it _removed_ lots of stuff, I meant.
[12:42] <jo-erlend_> why would it remove seahorse, for instance?
[12:51] <RoyK> jo-erlend_: I guess it removed the stuff depending on mail-server
[13:20] <Error404NotFound> how can i configure apache reverse proxy so that it loads some files from its docroot instead of the proxy box? like robots.txt?
[13:38] <zermann> Hi, i'm installing ubuntu 10.04 server on a western digital hard disk with 4k sectors. I have to manually align partition?
[14:45] <kamaze> sup
[14:45] <kamaze> following: After upgrading to Lucid, the ram usage of my server nearly doubled
[14:45] <kamaze> is there a way to track down the cause?
[14:58] <kamaze> i mean, from 500MiB to 1 GiB within 3,5 GiB avail Ram... it doesn't really matter, but it annoys me
[15:26] <guntbert> kamaze: how did you measure the ram usage?
[15:26] <kamaze> guntbert: monitored it using Munin
[15:27] <kamaze> Already upgraded mid May, since then, 100% increase
[15:27] <kamaze> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3710383/memory-year.png
[15:27] <kamaze> @ guntbert
[15:29] <guntbert> kamaze: I've never used munin, so I cannot tell - but maybe just what it regards as "apps" has changed?
[15:29] <kamaze> Can't belive that
[15:30] <kamaze> because free -m normally says the same
[15:30] <kamaze> +/- buffers
[15:45] <GeorgeJ> Hello, I'm having a problem with my 10.04 ubuntu-server instalation. Theer has been a power outtage recently and my software raid array seems to have faulted. The booting process is now stuck at fsck, it says my root partition is clean, then it stucks. I've tried booting with fastboot, fsck still runs, I also can't seems to be able to enter recovery mode. I think the problem is mountall tries to mount the fault raid array from fstab. How can I bypass
[15:48] <madneon> GeorgeJ: maybe the raid is syncing in the back...
[15:49] <GeorgeJ> Yes, it most probably is, I could try to fix it, but I can't get into any console :(
[15:49] <madneon> wll I mean, maybe wait a little longer, see whats happends than
[15:52] <GeorgeJ> The system is stuck like this for about 3 hours
[15:52] <GeorgeJ> No progress bar, no nothing, fsck confirms that my root partition is okay, then hangs
[16:09] <Jack-in-Box> hi all...   one of my servers that I just colocated i running very slow - bandwidth wise..  is there any command line util that can do a real bandwidth test, and check the config to make sure everything is in order?
[16:11] <RoyK> Jack-in-Box: an rsync of a file from one site to the other should normally work well
[16:12] <RoyK> there are more advanced ways to do this, with netcat etc, but rsync will probably suffice
[16:12] <Jack-in-Box> mmmmm... wil it tell me the speed per second?
[16:13] <RoyK> Jack-in-Box: that'll be quite easy to figure out if you do something like dd if=/dev/urandom of=somefile bs=1M count=128, transfer the file, and devide 128 megs by n seconds
[16:13] <RoyK> time rsync ....
[16:16] <Jack-in-Box> true...
[16:16] <Jack-in-Box> looking at iperf
[16:22] <Zelest_> not sure if this is the right place to ask.. I've asked in #kvm as well, but seeing it involves libvirtd, I'm not sure where to ask.. but I've been running several kvm instances under Ubuntu and I seem to have horrible performance after I upgraded to 10.04 .. I suspected it was ksmd at first and disabled it without any difference.. any ideas what might cause my huge CPU load?
[16:23] <Zelest_> I used to run 8 virtual machines in 9.10 with close to 0 load avg.. now I have a contant load avg of 1-1.5 while running 6 machines.
[16:27] <RoyK> Zelest_: I think #ubuntu-virt is the politically correct place to ask
[16:27] <Zelest_> Aah
[16:28] <ScottK> Asking here is fine, but the odds of finding an actual answer may be higher in #ubuntu-virt
[17:28] <ne7work> hello all, how can i install only gnome not ubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu 9.04 server?
[17:30] <remix_tj> ne7work: install the gnome packages
[17:30] <remix_tj> maybe the only gnome packet has all the needed dependencies
[17:31] <ne7work> and what I need to install sudo apt-get install what?
[17:31] <remix_tj> sudo aptitude install gnome
[17:31] <ne7work> only gnome?
[17:34] <ne7work> remix_tj,
[17:34] <ne7work> here?
[17:34] <remix_tj> yes
[17:35] <ne7work> not gnome-desktop-enviorment?
[17:35] <remix_tj> !info gnome
[17:35] <remix_tj> i think this is the correct package
[17:35] <remix_tj> !info gnome-desktop-environment
[17:36] <ne7work> what is the different
[17:36] <remix_tj> ne7work: nothing, it's the same pkg
[17:36] <ne7work> gnome is with extra components?
[17:37] <remix_tj> yes, that's the difference :-)
[17:44] <ne7work> and what is extra components?
[18:11] <Chriz> Hi
[18:12] <Chriz> how can I force remove flashplugin-installer? http://pastebin.com/MQNJyZga
[18:30] <ruben23> hi guys any application i can used to deploy a network install a linux destop  with same image and haradware specs like around 100 PC
[18:30] <ruben23> this is ubntu-desktop
[18:43] <Chriz> Can I make a raid without using the boot cd?
[18:44] <madneon> yes
[18:44] <madneon> look at mdadm
[18:54] <jeremyn> any suggestions on what to use to host my own openid server on ubuntu? i've read the most about phpmyid but it's not in the repos. the only Canonical-supported package for "openid" is python-openid, which looks more like a library than an application.
[18:55] <jeremyn> though, python-openid does apparently come with a standalone server as an example
[19:01] <larsemil> ruben23: i would make an image and just dd it to the drives. works most of the times. alternate would be some kind of PXE
[19:09] <ruben23> larsemil:what are the tools i can used for imaging..?
[19:10] <larsemil> ruben23: dd
[19:16] <ruben23> larsemil: any guide or how to, do do it with dd.
[19:54] <Psi-Jack> Curious. Anyone know how I could mount a specific partition that's stored within an LVM volume? This is a KVM LVM disk image and I'm trying to mount a specific partition that's within the volume itself.
[19:55] <guntbert> Psi-Jack: what is a "partition within a LVM volume"?
[19:55] <Psi-Jack> guntbert: Exactly that.
[19:55] <Psi-Jack> A partition table that's in an LVM Logical Volume
[19:56] <guntbert> Psi-Jack: I don't partition my LVM volumes - thats why I asked?
[19:56] <Psi-Jack> guntbert: Like I said, this is a KVM disk volume, so the installation of a Linux inside the VM did the partitioning itself.
[19:57] <cjohnston> was there no meeting this past week?
[19:57] <guntbert> Psi-Jack: sorry, I don't get it - but I obviously cannot help - so just ignore me :-)
[19:58] <cjohnston> Daviey: ping
[20:02] <Daviey> cjohnston: \o
[20:02] <cjohnston> was there a meeting this week?
[20:03] <Daviey> cjohnston: yes, i thought you were there :S
[20:03] <cjohnston> nope.. wasnt there..
[20:03] <cjohnston> trying to find the logs for UWN.. but i dont see them
[20:03] <Daviey> cjohnston: I'm middway through prepairing the meeting logs
[20:03] <cjohnston> the other cj may have been there..
[20:04] <cjohnston> ok.. cool thanks
[20:04] <Daviey> ah, yes - sorry
[20:04] <resno> i just installed vmware and the management site isnt showing up. when i read the source, it mentions issues with my browser not reading xml
[20:04] <Daviey> cjohnston: What is the deadline for UWN?
[20:04] <cjohnston> normally posted sunday afternoon est.. we are checking the links right now and it wasnt working.. :-)
[20:05] <Daviey> cjohnston: I'll have the meeting logs published within 2 hours of now, is thta ok?
[20:05] <cjohnston> awesomeness
[20:05] <cjohnston> thanks alot
[20:05] <Daviey> cjohnston: np
[20:05] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:06] <Daviey> cjohnston: You could include my "awesomeness" in UWN if you chose to :P
[20:06] <cjohnston> headline, Daviey is full of awesomeness
[20:06] <cjohnston> lol
[20:06] <Daviey> \o/ :)
[20:09] <resno> should i got to vmware server chat for help?
[20:09] <ruben23> hi guys anyidea whats the difference betwwen OPenVZ with KVM..
[20:20] <bogeyd6> resno, depends, i am very versed in vmware server
[20:21] <resno> i recently installed vmware server on my ubuntu server. when i try to access the site at *:8222, it directs to *.8333/ui/ then stops. and nothing furher happens.
[20:21] <resno> i have already added the exeception for the self signed certificate
[20:23] <resno> bogeyd6: ^
[20:23] <bogeyd6> oh
[20:23] <bogeyd6> its a bug in vmware server
[20:24] <bogeyd6> you simply need to clear the firefox cache or use IE
[20:24] <bogeyd6> resno ^
[20:24] <resno> bogeyd6: tried ie, no such luck
[20:24] <bogeyd6> you get the error loading page in the bottom?
[20:24] <bogeyd6> clear the IE cache
[20:24] <bogeyd6> files and cookies
[20:25] <bogeyd6> i promise it will work
[20:25] <bogeyd6> UNLESS  you failed in building any of the vmware modules
[20:25] <resno> ok, let me try it
[20:25]  * resno looks for option in IE
[20:28] <bogeyd6> tools -> delete browsing history
[20:28] <bogeyd6> or tools -> options, on general tab
[20:29] <resno> ok, trying it now
[20:29] <bogeyd6> close the browser when its done clearing
[20:29] <bogeyd6> then try again
[20:31] <resno> ok, im waiting for it now
[20:38] <resno> bogeyd6: is chrominum any better? ie has ben "connecting" forever
[20:39] <resno> i finally got a logo in ff, but thats about it
[20:39] <resno> logo=favicon
[20:42] <resno> bogeyd6: three browsers later. i got a login screen :)
[20:42] <bogeyd6> resno, awesome
[20:42] <bogeyd6> you should have been using vmware server 1
[20:42] <bogeyd6> vmware server 2 sucks because the ie addon or firefox plugin makes the browser crash
[20:43] <resno> i followd the tutorial from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[20:44] <resno> heh, looks ill have to keep the windows machine around after all :)
[21:07] <resno> thanks bogeyd6
[22:02] <BiggFREE> Hi
[22:03] <malchias> I am attempting to setup SSL.   I've modified the default-ssl vhost container with <Virtualhost :433>, ports.conf with Listen 443, and done a force-reload and restart but apache2ctl -S only shows :80.   Oh, I also did a a2enmod ssl.   What am I missing?
[22:04] <malchias> apache2ctl -t says syntax ok, and it restarts ok serving http fine, but not https (using a self signed cert)
[22:06] <malchias> doh, apparently I have to a2ensite default-ssl
[22:06] <cloakable> :P
[22:28] <Akiraa> Is there a tutorial on how to get KVM virtualization going on Ubuntu server 10.14 LTS (Lucid)? I tried following this: http://www.ideyatech.com/2010/05/virtualization-with-ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx  my problem is in the comment section
[22:45] <electrofreak> hi
[22:47] <electrofreak> just setup ubuntu-server 10.04 and setup samba... it wont show up on my windows computers. (I have to use the server's IP to connect to shares). Any ideas?
[22:47] <malchias> any firewalls?
[22:47] <sebsebseb> apparantly the server edition is basically just the desktop version, but without a gui, so maybe this is all you need
[22:47] <sebsebseb> !samba
[22:48] <electrofreak> malchias: no.... unless the latest ubuntu-server has a firewall by default?
[22:48] <sebsebseb> right back to #ubuntu
[22:49] <electrofreak> sebsebseb: heh. does it really mater where I ask? samba is the same for desktop and server....
[22:49] <sebsebseb> electrofreak: yes I was thinking  that
[22:49] <sebsebseb> pretty much straight away, after I told you to come here
[22:50] <malchias> electrofreak: I mean, there are multiple acl/fw points to check:  your windows boxes, the router, any intelligent switches, etc
[22:50] <electrofreak> I just wonder if there is something I'm missing. in the past, I've never had this problem with samba
[22:50] <electrofreak> malchias: well, I see other windows boxes on my box...
[22:52] <malchias> narrow it down to why it's failing.  Can it connect, is there a message, etc
[22:52] <electrofreak> malchias: yes, I can connect if I use \\<ip> ... it just isn't seen in the network neighborhood thing
[22:53] <malchias> by default windows has a firewall, and 445,135 are open... I don't know samba, but make sure it's allowed (disable the windows firewall and see if you can connect)
[22:53] <electrofreak> malchias: wait....
[22:54] <electrofreak> malchias: I think I just fixed it... ugh. stupid differences between old and new ubuntu....
[22:54] <malchias> cool, what's the fix?
[22:54] <electrofreak> malchias: it used to be if I just ran /etc/init.d/samba restart, both smbd and nmbd would restart
[22:54] <electrofreak> but now that isn't there
[22:54] <malchias> I see, cool
[22:54] <electrofreak> so.... I just manually started nmbd and it showed up right away
[22:55] <electrofreak> why'd they switch to this Upstart stuff?
[22:56]  * malchias is a noob - here to learn, doesn't know :)
[22:56] <jmarsden> electrofreak: upstart allows parallel startup of services... much faster boot times in some circumstances...
[22:57] <electrofreak> jmarsden: ah. ok. that is one thing I liked..... this thing now boots up in almost seconds.
[22:57] <jmarsden> Faster boots are very important for netbook users, for example... it was a major goal for this release...
[22:58] <electrofreak> I like that they made setting up RAIDs in the install super simple now...
[22:58] <electrofreak> last time I full installed was 8.04 LTS.... lots has changed since then
[22:59] <jmarsden> Yes, 8.04 was a long time ago :)
[23:01] <electrofreak> jmarsden: yea... I had upgraded my 8.04 to 10.04... but then last night had an unexpected "eff" moment with 'rm'... and my back-up was basically useless (and a month old, anyway)... so I hadn't intended to reinstall, but ended up having to
[23:01] <electrofreak> jmarsden: I think it's a good thing, tho. cleans up lots of cruft and such
[23:02] <jmarsden> rsnapshot (and some spare disk space) can really help with those kinds of mistakes... on my desktop here I have hourly backups of /etc and the parts of /home I care about, and then daily, then weekly, then monthly... all automated... :)
[23:04] <electrofreak> jmarsden: well, I actually had /etc and /hom and /var, so nothing critical was lost....
[23:04] <electrofreak> I honestly don't even know what the problem was... all files were there, like I could see and read everything from a livecd....
[23:04] <electrofreak> but, for some reason trying to chroot to it or boot from it, wasn't working. things like /bin/bash claimed they weren't there.
[23:05] <electrofreak> I think the FS was somehow messed up, but I don't know how or why
[23:15] <Akiraa> Has anyone configured KVM on Ubuntu server 10.04 (Lucid) ?
[23:32] <ruben23> hi anyone have idea how to kickout a users login on my server using ssh..?
[23:36] <malchias> ps -aux | grep pts
[23:37] <malchias> kill -9 <theirpid>
[23:37] <malchias> perhaps there is a more eloquent method though
[23:37] <amstan> killall -u username
[23:37] <malchias> that will kill all services logged in or running as that user name
[23:40] <bogeyd6> resno, why do you need to keep the windows machine around?
[23:45] <ne7work> hello all
[23:46] <electrofreak> ne7work: hi
[23:46] <ne7work> i have problem with nvidia driver on ubuntu server 9.04 with sudo apt-get install gnome
[23:46] <ne7work> and i don't have sound
[23:46] <ne7work> i have one error when i try sh ./nvidia-..
[23:47] <electrofreak> ne7work: what's the error?
[23:47] <ne7work> miss binitus
[23:47] <ne7work> or what is this..
[23:47] <ne7work> i don't remember
[23:48] <ne7work> i go to see ?
[23:49] <ne7work> electrofreak, binutils
[23:49] <ne7work> li kyv package
[23:49] <ne7work> electrofreak, echo?
[23:50] <electrofreak> ne7work: did you install binutils? sudo apt-get install binutils
[23:51] <ne7work> and now?
[23:51] <jmarsden> ne7work: Why are you trying to load nvidia drivers on a Ubuntu Server... Ubuntu server has no GUI anyway, by design....
[23:51] <ne7work> i install only gnome..
[23:51] <ne7work> and I need this ubuntu for listen music, skype, web server, hlds and counter-strike
[23:52] <jmarsden> On a server?  Hmmm.  Then you should install Ubuntu desktop, not Ubuntu server :)
[23:52] <electrofreak> ne7work: do you need it for server things?
[23:52] <Ichat> hi can anyone help me to 'finally'  get ubuntu  10.04 setup with  software raid  (i tried  x64 but it seems to  have error with mdadm  failing / wrong (or old? ) version   - missing or other error  with  an error at the end of the 'base- installer
[23:52] <ne7work> i write sudo apt-get install gnome on ubuntu server 9.04
[23:53] <ne7work> this is more fast than ubuntu desktop
[23:53] <jmarsden> ne7work: It will be much easier to install Ubuntu Desktop if you actually want a desktop machine.
[23:53] <ne7work> i need this two..
[23:53] <ne7work> desktop/server ..
[23:53] <ne7work> because that i install gnome only
[23:53] <ne7work> not ubuntu-desktop
[23:53] <Ichat> ne7work  -try ubuntu light edition
[23:53] <ne7work> i go to try now with binutils
[23:54] <electrofreak> ne7work: if I needed it for such things.... I would install desktop and just install the server packages I required on the desktop version...
[23:54] <Ichat> its better for your needs and still is geared to desktop use
[23:54] <electrofreak> well... binutills should be installed already, heh
[23:55] <electrofreak> I'm confused as to why he has to leave to install these things...
[23:56] <ne7work> what is the light edition?
[23:56] <ne7work> and how to install kernel-sources?
[23:57] <electrofreak> ne7work: netbook edition?
[23:57] <electrofreak> ne7work: you can apt-get the kernel sources
[23:57] <ne7work> why netbook?
[23:57] <ne7work> what i need to write
[23:57] <ne7work> to apt-get
[23:57] <ne7work> ...
[23:57] <ne7work> kernel?
[23:58] <electrofreak> ne7work: you asked what the light edition is.... netbook is pretty darned light
[23:58] <electrofreak> apt-get install linux-source
[23:58] <electrofreak> apt-get install linux-source-<version>
[23:59] <ne7work> what version i need?
[23:59] <ne7work> witch
[23:59] <ne7work> wich
[23:59] <electrofreak> ne7work: are you using 10.04?
[23:59] <ne7work> 9.04
[23:59] <ne7work> sec.
[23:59] <ne7work> i go to try again to install nvidia..


[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #163241 in malone "Searching DistroSeries bugs by component causes lots bugs to breed rapidly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163241
[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163244 in malone "CVE list needs some triaging features" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163244
[11:17] <Kmos> * There's a session about how to properly read Stack traces in #ubuntu-classroom *
[13:20] <Mez> lmao, they'ev released some software to teach people new languages called "rosetta stone"
[13:20] <Mez> http://www.rosettastone.co.uk/
[15:01] <mdke> Mez: it's been around for years... it's a popular name for translation related things because of the real Rosetta Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone)
[15:36] <pkern> How could I report bugs in a specific release of a distribution via email?  affects ubuntu/hardy/<pkg>?
[15:40] <pkern> Does the email interface react after all... *cough*
[15:48] <ian_brasil> PPA keeps rejecting me with "Unable to find distroseries: unstable/Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution." Here is my debian/control file http://moblin.pastebin.org/8425
[15:49] <pkern> Now guess why. unstable is hardly the right target.
[15:49] <ian_brasil> oops: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution. Here is my debian/control file http://moblin.pastebin.org/8425
[15:49] <pkern> And debian/control is the wrong file, you might want to look at debian/changelog.
[15:49] <ian_brasil> i changed unstable
[15:50] <ian_brasil> here is the changelog http://moblin.pastebin.org/8426
[15:52] <pkern> New changelog entries are placed *on top* of the file.
[15:55] <ian_brasil> pkern: thx
[16:06] <ian_brasil> same deal Rejected:Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[16:07] <pkern> Of course you did upload to ppa and not to the main archives?
[16:08] <ian_brasil> here is my dput.conf http://moblin.pastebin.org/8430
[16:09] <ian_brasil> i must be doing something (else) stupid
[16:09] <pkern> How did you dput?
[16:09] <pkern> What's your LP id?
[16:09] <ian_brasil> dput mobileguide_0.1-2_source.changes
[16:10] <pkern> dput my-ppa <changes>
[16:12] <ian_brasil> pkern: that is not really so clear on https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart ...at least for me
[16:12] <pkern> I'm no LP dev.
[16:15] <ian_brasil> pkern: OK , maybe i will file a bug about this
[16:18] <geser> pkern: the email interface works: requestsync uses it and Hobbsee used it also during her time as motu-uvf to modify the bugs
[16:45] <pkern> geser: Well still no reply by now.
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163384 in soyuz "lp-remove-package.py sometimes does not really delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163384


[12:02] <CIA-2> user-setup: cjwatson * r110 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge ecryptfs-private branch
[12:14] <CIA-2> user-setup: cjwatson * r111 ubuntu/debian/po/ (60 files): debconf-updatepo
[12:15] <CIA-2> user-setup: cjwatson * r112 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.20ubuntu5
[12:58] <cjwatson> davmor2: there's a bunch of oem-config stuff in bzr; I'm just going to upload it and see if it helps
[12:58] <CIA-2> oem-config: cjwatson * r506 oem-config/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[12:58] <CIA-2> oem-config: Automatic update of included source packages: localechooser 2.03ubuntu2,
[12:58] <CIA-2> oem-config: user-setup 1.20ubuntu4.
[12:59] <CIA-2> oem-config: cjwatson * r507 oem-config/debian/changelog: people don't seem satisfied with this fix
[13:02] <CIA-2> oem-config: cjwatson * r508 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.45
[13:13] <davmor2> cjwatson: when is likely to be in an iso?  Monday?
[13:14] <cjwatson> tomorrow, assuming successful builds
[13:15] <cjwatson> we don't shut down the builds for the weekend ;-)
[13:20] <davmor2> cjwatson: I wasn't sure that they were worked on over the weekend :)  Np's I'll try tomorrow night then and let you know as soon as I do :)
[16:20] <superm1> hum it appears CIA decided not to show a bunch of commits of mine.  i've got 4 or so that were relevant to the mythbuntu fe only
[16:22] <evand> yeah, it's good for that
[16:22] <cjwatson> evand: what is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/stable (seems to be a Windows executable) and can it not be there?
[16:23] <evand> was this my doing?
[16:23] <evand> I don't recall making that
[16:23] <cjwatson> dunno, I thought you might know :)
[16:23] <cjwatson> maybe an accidental result of ln?
[16:24] <evand> heh, I don't think it was me.  Perhaps slangasek?
[16:24] <evand> as I believe he set up Wubi for the ubuntu.com site.
[16:25] <evand> during 8.04 development
[16:49] <CIA-2> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2775 ubiquity/ (build/ltmain.sh configure configure.ac): bump to 1.9.10
[16:51] <CIA-2> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2776 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[16:51] <CIA-2> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[16:51] <CIA-2> ubiquity: 1.86ubuntu4, partman-efi 17ubuntu2, partman-partitioning 59ubuntu4,
[16:51] <CIA-2> ubiquity: partman-target 55ubuntu3, user-setup 1.20ubuntu5.
[17:06] <CIA-2> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2777 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/mythbuntu_ui.py: whitespace matters in python! :-)
[17:08] <CIA-2> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2778 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/mythbuntu_ui.py: more whitespace
[17:10] <CIA-2> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2779 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.9.10
[18:12] <mpt> evand, do you have time to discuss ye olde timezone selector map?
[18:22] <evand> mpt: surely
[18:23] <evand> mpt: Are you aware of the somewhat redesign of it going on in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityVisualRefresh ?
[18:23] <mpt> not really
[18:23]  * mpt reads
[18:25] <mpt> aha
[18:28] <mpt> yay for no more zooming necessary
[18:29] <evand> exactly :)
[18:30] <mpt> evand, instead of having one menu for the timezone, and another for the cities in that timezone, how about making the map keyboard-accessible?
[18:31] <mpt> e.g. Left = previous, Right = next
[18:31] <mpt> and give the UTC offset as a caption underneath
[18:32] <evand> so adding keybindings or replacing the menus with keybindings?
[18:32] <evand> slightly confused
[18:33] <mpt> Instead of the timezone menu, let people use the keyboard (as well as the mouse) to choose a timezone in the map itself
[18:33] <mpt> You'd still have the separat menu of cities.
[18:33] <mpt> +e
[18:34] <evand> ah, indeed that's sort of the plan, though we were going to keep the drop down list for those that didn't want to bother with the map itself
[18:35] <evand> the timezone drop down list, that is
[18:35] <evand> it would also obviously change to the selection, should the user pick a timezone from the map
[18:36] <mpt> sure
[18:36] <mpt> but why would they not want to bother with the map in the first place?
[18:36]  * evand tries to recall the conversation
[18:36] <mpt> It would be more elegant to solve that problem than to have extra widgets to work around it
[18:37] <evand> noted, perhaps it's best to try it as you suggest and see what people complain with
[18:37] <evand> see what reasons*
[18:37] <cjwatson> they might not want to bother with the map because they have trouble using the mouse
[18:37] <evand> as I cannot recall exactly why we thought they wouldn't want to bother with the map itself
[18:37] <cjwatson> accessibility
[18:37] <mpt> cjwatson, that's why I'm suggesting making it usable with the keyboard :-)
[18:37] <cjwatson> I'll sic heno on you :)
[18:37] <evand> but assuming the map is accessible?
[18:38] <evand> haha
[18:45] <mpt> TBH I'm more interested in the partitioning than the map, but Keybuk pointed me in the direction of the map :-)
[18:48] <mpt> whoa, you were planning *three* ways of choosing a time zone -- map, menu, and previous/next buttons
[18:54] <evand> Hrm, how would you propose we let them use the keyboard to navigate both the timezones and cities?  My original thought for keyboard navigation was just for navigating between the timezones themselves (as it tries to pick a reasonable default anyway).
[18:56] <mpt> sure, you'd still need the menu for the cities -- both because it would be necessary with the keyboard, and because it would be fiddly (especially without zoom) with the mouse
[18:56] <mpt> well, hmm
[18:57] <evand> ah, indeed
[18:57] <mpt> This idea might be full of crack, but if Left/Right in the map navigate between time zones, Up/Down could navigate between cities by latitude in the selected time zone :-)
[18:58] <evand> I thought about that, but also thought it might be crackful and hard to discover :)
[18:58] <mpt> yes
[19:00] <mpt> I suppose that could still be *possible*, even if it's not advertised and not the canonical way of choosing a city
[19:00] <mpt> hmm, no, even that would be weird
[19:01] <mpt> because it would mean Up/Down navigated through cities in one order (by latitude) in the map, and in a completely different order (alphabetically) in the menu
[19:02] <mpt> anyway, I updated the spec to cover making the map accessible
[19:02] <mpt> haha, Banshee's chart is such a rip-off of the iTunes one
[19:02] <mpt> right down to the meaningless segment borders
[19:02] <evand> thanks, very much appreciated
[19:03] <evand> banshee> but it looks good :)
[19:04] <mpt> If only the rest of the window looked that nice :-)
[19:05] <evand> haha, touche
[19:06] <mpt> "A partition layout graphic ... will be added to the top of the ... manual partitioning pages" -- does that mean that page will have *two* partition layout graphics?
[19:06] <mpt> One done by you, one done by gparted?
[19:07] <evand> typo
[19:07] <evand> automatic and manual page
[19:07] <mpt> yes, it says "the top of the automatic partitioning and manual partitioning pages"
[19:08] <mpt> What I mean is, why at the top of the manual partitioning page?
[19:08] <evand> I thought visual representation of textual data might help them better understand the actions they were performing on that page
[19:10] <mpt> Oh, I'm sorry, I'm misremembering it
[19:10] <mpt> gparted standalone shows a diagram already, Ubiquity does not
[19:12] <evand> indeed
[19:12] <evand> and no worries
[19:16] <mpt> Would be nice if the chart was clickable and draggable :-)
[19:17] <evand> one step at a time :)
[19:18] <evand> but feel free to add such ideas to the wiki page for future consideration
[19:19] <evand> I'm just constrained by the quickly approaching freeze for such heavy changes now.
[19:20] <mpt> ok
[19:21] <mpt> evand, what happens/will happen if there are multiple eligible disks?
[19:21] <evand> it will show the one that is selected
[19:21] <evand> I thought about showing all of them always, but we don't really have the screen real estate for that, even with only two disks
[19:25] <mpt> showing a chart for each of the disks would help in choosing which one to use
[19:25] <mpt> and then hide the unchosen ones when deciding how to partition the chosen one
[19:25] <mpt> not sure exactly how that would look, though
[19:26] <evand> separate pages?  That is, first choose the disk graphically on one page, then operate it on the next?  I'm iffy on that though.
[19:28] <mpt> maybe not, maybe not
[19:28] <mpt> maybe the selected one would just float up to the top of the page, as the others fade out
[19:29] <evand> how would you change your disk selection in that case?
[19:29] <mpt> (with a "Choose a Different Disk..." button to bring them back)
[19:29] <evand> ah
[19:29] <mpt> progressive disclosure
[19:31] <evand> not sure how to make that visually smooth, but it sounds like a good thing for me to investigate.
[19:36] <mpt> I assume I don't need to tell you not to use a progress bar for the password strength indicator. :-)
[19:37] <evand> indeed :)
[19:37] <mpt> "Future work" added for partitioning
[19:38] <evand> thanks a bunch
[19:39] <mpt> Are you going to rename "Guided - use entire disk" for Intrepid?
[19:39] <mpt> (or have you done that already?)
[19:39] <evand> I will endeavor to at least get rid of "Guided -"
[19:41] <mpt> How difficult would this be:
[19:41] <mpt> (*) Use the entire disk
[19:42] <mpt>     This will delete and replace Windows XP.
[19:42] <mpt> (where that caption appears depending on whether and what OS is on the disk already)
[19:43] <evand> quite feasible, actually.  os-prober tells us the names of the operating systems on each partition, so it would just be a matter of matching the disk to the partitions in that list.
[19:43] <evand> I think that's definitely possible for 8.04
[19:43] <mpt> 8.04.2? Or 8.10?
[19:46] <evand> err sorry
[19:46] <evand> 8.10
[19:46] <mpt> ok
[19:58] <mpt> added "Partitioning options" section
[19:58] <mpt> And now I'll leave you alone, unless there's anything else I can help you with :-)
[20:00] <evand> ah, you beat me to it.  Thanks again for the help with this, do let me know if you spot any other usability mistakes.
[20:04] <mpt> you're very welcome
[20:06] <mpt> evand, one thing that's been needling me for a while is that we have your nifty migration stuff during the installation
[20:06] <mpt> and that makes life easier when doing a clean install on the same machine
[20:06] <mpt> But over time, it's going to become much more common to do a clean install on a new machine
[20:07] <mpt> and want to transfer over all the settings from your old machine
[20:07] <mpt> (You might not even have that old machine handy at the time you're doing the installation on the new one.)
[20:09] <mpt> So eventually I think it might make sense to split out the migration stuff into a separate utility.
[20:10] <mpt> Even if the installer offers to launch it before you continue with the installation.
[20:11] <mpt> That way you could, for example, use it from a live CD session to store all your documents and settings from Windows on a DVD-R or an external HD
[20:12] <mpt> and then after installation, migrate them all into your Ubuntu setup.
[20:14] <evand> it would make developing it easier, as I could rewrite (gah) it in Python.
[20:14] <evand> I'll give that one some thought
[20:14] <evand> noted
[20:21] <mpt> ok, ttfn
[20:25] <evand> cheers


[01:48] <valorie> talk about spam -- I'm one of the admins for the ubuntu-community list and so far I have over 1000 asian spams that google didn't catch!
[01:49] <valorie> must have totally overwhelmed their filters
[21:13] <clivejo> getting extra subs to YouTube channel
[21:14] <clivejo> 500% viewer increase in past week
[21:15] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you going to put the release video on front page of kubuntu.org
[21:15] <acheronuk> I was pondering it
[21:16] <acheronuk> If you want to, I don't oject
[21:16] <clivejo> KC need to mull it over?
[21:17] <acheronuk> valorie?
[21:17] <acheronuk> Rick mentioned he would like to see it there
[21:17] <clivejo> I deffo +1 it
[21:17] <valorie> fine with me
[21:17] <valorie> dunno why KC would need to weigh in though
[21:18] <valorie> it's great so let's push it
[21:18] <clivejo> valorie: do you use clementine?
[21:19] <valorie> nope
[21:19] <valorie> tried it out a few year ago and nah
[21:19] <clivejo> not a fan either
[21:19] <valorie> still amarok for me
[21:19] <clivejo> but built the qt5 port in my PPA
[21:20] <clivejo> still not impressed
[21:20] <valorie> of clemintine, or amarok?
[21:20] <valorie> clementine
[21:20] <valorie> sheesh
[21:20] <clivejo> clementine
[21:20] <valorie> it's OK and some like it
[21:20] <valorie> meh
[21:21] <clivejo> someone arguing it on kubuntuforums
[21:22] <acheronuk> it's KDE4 at the moment, so not an option
[21:22] <clivejo> yeah, but I was wondering what all the fuss was about
[21:23] <clivejo> and built clementine-qt5 branch
[21:25] <valorie> it's not KDE software
[21:25] <valorie> so I don't care about it
[21:26] <valorie> we didn't choose it for the ISO either, so ....
[21:27] <valorie> I'm just hoping Marky stays awake and gets Amarok ported soon enough to test
[21:27] <valorie> for the LTS
[21:31] <clivejo> vlc isn't KDE
[21:32] <clivejo> neither is firefox
[21:33] <tsimonq2> Just passed the course to get my (driving) temps! Tomorrow I get to go to the DMV! \o/ :D :D :D
[21:33] <acheronuk> fi it gets a Qt release, maybe something to consider along with other music players. until then, nope
[21:33] <acheronuk> *if it
[21:33] <acheronuk> Qt5 I mean.... grrr
[21:35] <clivejo> not impressed
[21:36] <valorie> clivejo: looking forward to being able to provide a KDE browser again, too
[21:36] <valorie> dunno about VLC, which is as close to KDE as a sibling
[21:36] <acheronuk> clivejo: not impressed with Qt5 clementine?
[21:36] <valorie> JB is pretty much a KDE devel
[21:36] <clivejo> acheronuk: yeah
[21:37] <acheronuk> clivejo: well, I wouldn't get wound up about someone throwing a fit about cantata on the forums
[21:38] <acheronuk> some people love amarok, some don't
[21:38] <acheronuk> such is life
[21:38] <valorie> yup
[21:38] <valorie> some KDE devels love cantata, I couldn't get it to work
[21:38] <valorie> eh


[00:38] <JEBjames> Can someone try adding "EXTRACT_UNSAFE_SYMLINKS=1" to the install script to see if that unbreaks lubuntu-alternate and Ubuntu server?
[22:10] <JEBjames> quit
 @JEBjames, 😢


[05:04] <woodwizzle> Oh nice! and ubuntu font now
[05:04] <woodwizzle> man i want breezy
[05:05] <nekohayo> :)
[05:05] <nekohayo> is someone from the usplash team around?
[05:06] <volvoguy> i put the font on my site if you want it. http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/ (it's near the bottom)
[08:25] <lllmanulll> Hey there, could anybody tell me how I can upload a couple of icons on some wiki and have them reviewed ?
[08:26] <lllmanulll> I took a look at art.ubuntu.com, but it seems that only full icon themes can be uploaded


[03:33] <bazhang> any clue what bambang is saying
[03:39] <bazhang> is that a dangerous command?
 can u solve my problem: Ctrl + L = "$echo -e \\033c", do u know Alt + F9 = ??????
[03:54] <IdleOne> alt+F9 minimizes window
[03:55] <IdleOne> ctrl +L clears the screen like /clear does in IRC
[03:56] <IdleOne> and yes I just tested both :/
[04:00] <elky> sound like someone's got homework and doesn't want to do it.
[10:22] <Flannel> meh
[10:23] <Flannel> Could someone fix that?
[10:25] <Flannel> Pici, topyli, jussi, nhandler
[10:27] <Flannel> Howdy dominicdinada
[10:27] <dominicdinada> Hi ?
[10:27] <dominicdinada> Russ spamming in Server again...
[10:28] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: hi
[10:28] <Jordan_U> Tm_T: Hi.
[10:28] <Flannel> dominicdinada: Yeah, Ive pinged people with access, or at least, everyone in this channel.  The others look to be idle as well
[10:29] <Jordan_U> In #ubuntu "01:22 < nocturnus> damagu: maybe you should go to hell, because i'm clearly wasting my time offering you help" "02:07 < nocturnus> heroid: try fixing it" "01:35 < nocturnus> yes, i.e without your 94 year old grandmother holding your hand and giving you an icecream sandwich".
[10:32] <Tm_T> did anyone take him already?
[10:32] <Jordan_U> nocturnus or Russ?
[10:34] <Tm_T> noct
[10:34] <Tm_T> apparently noy
[10:34] <Tm_T> not
[10:35] <Tm_T> I'm at it
[10:36] <Jordan_U> Thanks.
[10:40] <Tm_T> no answer in PM yet
[11:25] <zhxk> jayne on #freenode quited me
[11:26] <bazhang> zhxk, did you need some help?
[11:26] <bazhang> zhxk, this channel is for #ubuntu channel issues
[11:26] <zhxk> i'd like be voiced on #freenode if you can help
[11:27] <bazhang> zhxk, nothing to do with us.
[11:28] <zhxk> you responser of freenode responsibility of #freenode
[11:28] <bazhang> zhxk, was there some other issue you needed help with?
[11:29] <zhxk> just his have already brings me headache
[11:30] <Tm_T> zhxk: you should contact freenode staff, we cannot help with this matter
[11:32] <jussi> jayne: ^^^
[11:32] <jayne> yeah, I saw, and was amused :-)
[11:32] <Tm_T> jussi: hmh, I was about to ask him to leave and then remove
[11:33] <jussi> jayne: I assume from your comment in #f he is kline evading.
[11:33] <jayne> when his earlier IP was quieted, he came to #ubuntu to appeal
[11:33] <jayne> we didn't k-line; quiet seemed sufficient
[11:33] <jussi> jayne: Ill leave you to deal with him ;)
[11:33] <zhxk> oh, god its closed the channel itself
[11:34] <Tm_T> zhxk: please, this is wrong channel for this matter
[11:34] <jayne> zhxk: #ubuntu (or #ubuntu-ops) is not the place to appeal freenode staff decisions
[11:34] <Tm_T> zhxk: so if you have nothing dealing ubuntu channels, you should leave
[11:35] <zhxk> i've known you are partnership eachother
[11:35] <Tm_T> zhxk: there is nothing we can do
[11:36] <Tm_T> zhxk: we deal here only ubuntu channels, period
[11:37] <zhxk> ok:p
[11:37] <Tm_T> jussi: see, no need to use weapons (:
[11:40] <Tm_T> nor Igor
[11:44]  * Tm_T wonders if jussi already know this Igor thing
[12:29] <yofel> now that maverick is open https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-May/000713.html - can you open #ubuntu+1 again please? thanks
[12:32] <jussi> yofel: its open now :D
[12:33] <yofel> YES :D
[12:33]  * yofel hugs jussi
[12:33] <yofel> till next time!
[13:19] <elky> jussi, mr-scale-of-one-to-troll has advised us to rename to "ubuntu-bitches"
[14:16] <elky> And I think he just PM'd me his password accidentally.
[14:50] <elky> bazhang, are you around?
[14:51] <bazhang> elky, yep
[14:52] <elky> bazhang, have sir_burpalot, rosalia, taurusthetroll or boristhebear visited #ubuntu-ru today?
[14:52] <bazhang> elky, let me check
[14:53] <elky> we have a little outbreak of trolling in -women.
[14:53] <elky> oh, and Katrina
[14:54] <bazhang> not in the last few hours
[14:55] <elky> k then, must be just a random who spotted "women" in the channel name and thought of the opportunities :(
[14:56] <bazhang> seems so. they have really tight control of -ru nowadays
[14:58] <elky> cool. it's all the same person coming back with different hosts, banevading. but if they were in -ru it'd give us something to bargain with them
[15:53] <jrib> is ubuntu tweak sane?  or is it the next automatix?
[15:54] <jrib> it seems like most people just use it to expose some obscure gconf settings which is okay...
[15:55] <IdleOne> jrib: it is not supported but not officialy discouraged either
[15:55] <IdleOne> as I understand it
[15:55] <elky> in that it doesnt install a heap of stuff with --force-yes or whatever it is,
[15:56] <IdleOne> yeah, it doesn't do that
[15:56] <maco> a sane interface to obscure gconf settings sounds rather win to me
[15:56] <IdleOne> I haven't used it but from what i read it adds medibuntu,getdeb and a couple of other repos but does not do it in a forced way.
[15:57] <IdleOne> the user has to select what repos get added
[15:58] <elky> the *matix scripts were written by people who really didn't even understand what sudo is.
[16:00] <IdleOne> They could of had a good application but like elky said I think they went more in the direction of not trying to figure out the right way and just forcing things
[16:12] <maco> !scanner
[16:12] <maco> so that ^ is not very helpful on the kde front
[16:12] <maco> kooka isnt in jaunty or karmic or lucid
[16:13] <maco> also, simple-scan is the scanning app included in ubuntu now, so might want to replace gimp with that and just remove the kde suggestion (skanlite is, afaict, the only kde scanning app in the repos, and it is /horrid/)
[16:14] <maco> actually i guess you could say gwenview if you wanted
[16:16] <maco> (its an image viewer, but it does a bit of scanning too)
[16:16] <topyli> the gimp doesn't scan out of the box btw, i don't know why it's on that list. there's an xsane plugin for it
[16:18] <bazhang> false alarm
[16:32] <maco> so maybe: Scanning software: simple-scan (GNOME), Gwenview (KDE), Xsane. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[16:36] <IdleOne> just needs to be approved now
[16:37] <bazhang> !scanner is <reply>  Scanning software: simple-scan (GNOME), Gwenview (KDE), Xsane. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[16:37] <bazhang> !no scanner is <reply>  Scanning software: simple-scan (GNOME), Gwenview (KDE), Xsane. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[16:37] <bazhang> !scanner
[16:38] <IdleOne> fixed
[16:38] <IdleOne> \o/ bazhang
[16:38] <bazhang> :)
[17:02] <maco> yay thanks bazhang
[17:02] <bazhang> maco, :)
[20:43] <Tm_T> meeting in 16 minutes?
[20:45] <tsimpson> Tm_T: yeah, although we have nothing to discuss at the meeting
[20:45] <topyli> Tm_T, yeah. doesn't look like a very long agenda though .)
[20:46] <Tm_T> was just looking it, so I'll opt-out and go to sleep instead (:
[20:46] <Tm_T> good night all (:)
[20:46] <tsimpson> night \o


[12:57] <gonyere> Anyone know if there will be an Ubuntu booth/table at LibrePlanet? And if so, if they need volunteers to help run it?
[13:28] <popey> I'd be surprised if we were welcome at libreplanet
[13:40] <gonyere> I suspected the same, but thought I'd check just the same :)
[13:47] <popey> well, i have no idea, just guessing
[13:47] <popey> given how they vet their speakers based on whether they are 100% free software advocates or not
[13:51] <IdleOne> that doesn't sound very ubuntu of them
[13:52] <popey> don't forget, we make spyware
[13:53] <IdleOne> yeah but only the parts you can see
[13:54] <IdleOne> libreplanet Freedom for everyone except if you don't agree with us
[13:54] <IdleOne> :)
[13:55] <IdleOne> to be fair all I know about libreplanet I have learned in this conversation
[13:56] <popey> hah
[13:57] <popey> I heard about it a year or two ago, when someone who used to contribute to ubuntu posted about it on planet ubuntu
[13:58] <jussi>  and here I was thinking libreplanet was a replacement for planet ubuntu...
[13:59] <IdleOne> different strokes and all that. Sad though if they do exclude people because they do work for something deemed not 100% free.
[14:24] <nigelb> I disagree with a lot of things Ubuntu does.
[14:24] <nigelb> But, I can't hide the fact that we made Ubuntu mainstream.
[14:25] <nigelb> er, Linux mainstream.
[14:35] <gonyere> I've been running Ubuntu for 7+ years now. Before that I ran a variety of other distros (mostly Slackware, RedHat, Debian and Linux Mandrake) for ~8 years w/o a lot of success. I've stuck w/ Ubuntu mostly cause' it just bloody works, without spending hours/days/weeks working on my sound card or video card or modem or whatever.
[14:45] <popey> ..mostly.. yeah ☻
[14:46] <IdleOne> For me it was nice people who kept me using Ubuntu for all these years
[14:47] <IdleOne> life would be much simpler sometimes if I just used windows
[15:15] <gonyere> IDK IdleOne... I get on a windows system these days and I'm a bit lost :p Not to mention the wonderful freedom to surf w/o constantly being inundated with popups, worrying about spyware/malware/adware and virus' :p
[15:16] <IdleOne> I feel the same way now, but probably because I'm spoiled by ubuntu
[15:27] <nigelb> popey: :D


[18:25] <rampage73> question; i have an acer aspire one netbook which i have loaded unr 9.04 on, everything seems to work except the at&t which does show up in the connection manager
[18:25] <rampage73> anyone have any ideas how to get it to work
[18:25] <rampage73> or how to make a connection ?
[18:26] <mikeh789> rampage73, at&t 3g?
[18:26] <rampage73> yes
[18:27] <mikeh789> I'm not going to be much help
[18:27] <mikeh789> I saw you ask over at ubuntu
[18:27] <mikeh789> I don't think this is where you want to ask either
[18:27] <rampage73> hmm
[18:27] <mikeh789> have you googled to see if someone else has it working/?
[18:27] <rampage73> any ideas where i could ask ?
[18:28] <rampage73> yes i have , found one person but have not received a reply as they just said it was working on the post
[18:28] <mikeh789> I don't think this is a NBR specific issue
[18:29] <mikeh789> you could poke around in the kubuntu forums and ask
[18:29] <rampage73> i am not sure definitly not saying it is
[18:29] <rampage73> it seems to be recognized and show up in network manager applet just cannot seem to find a way to make it connect
[18:30] <rampage73> ie no connect button
[18:30] <mikeh789> rampage73, have you tried older live versions to see if it can connect??
[18:30] <mikeh789> maybe 8.04 LTS live??
[18:30] <rampage73> good call no i have not
[18:30] <mikeh789> easy enough to try
[18:31] <rampage73> yep i will give it a whirl !
[18:31] <rampage73> thanks
[18:31] <mikeh789> did it come with linpus?
[18:31] <rampage73> no just winbloze
[18:31] <mikeh789> and I assume it worked with xp
[18:31] <rampage73> i downloaded the 9.04 remix and installed it
[18:31] <rampage73> yes
[18:31] <rampage73> it does work with xp
[18:31] <mikeh789> might be somekind of connection specific software you need
[18:32] <mikeh789> that could run with wine??
[18:32] <mikeh789> just a guess
[18:32] <rampage73> also worth a shot
[18:32] <mikeh789> did the connection under xp look pretty standard??
[18:32] <mikeh789> like a wifi conn
[18:33] <rampage73> yep


[00:44] <sarnold> vorlon: lol "we would also prefer our packages to be unsinged" :)
[03:49] <vorlon> sarnold: ;)
[14:19] <luna_> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20230818/mantic-desktop-amd64.iso this iso seems broken https://i.imgur.com/hwvg3lf.png
[14:20] <jbicha> luna_: that's been reported as bug 2031910, please use the "current" iso instead
[14:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2031910 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "[mantic] Desktop amd64 20230818 pending ISO won't boot, missing minimal squashfs" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031910
[14:20] <luna_> jbicha: alright thanks :)
[14:50] <luna_> also new installer for 23.10 is fully translated to Swedish again


[12:10] <troughton> i am wanting to install multipul versions of linux on the same harddrive with a shared home folder i know i am only alowed 4 primary partitions so i would like to konw dose the linux root need to be on a primary and dose the home folder need to be on a primary ?
[12:12] <cjwatson> troughton: neither
[12:12] <cjwatson> troughton: at least as far as Linux is concerned
[12:12] <troughton> so they can be on exteded partitions
[12:12] <cjwatson> troughton: however your BIOS might not want to boot off a logical partition
[12:13] <cjwatson> so you might well need to have / (or at least /boot) on a primary partition for the sake of the BIOS
[12:13] <troughton> ok thanks
[12:13] <cjwatson> /home can definitely be wherever you want
[12:14] <troughton> ok cool thanks
[12:14] <cjwatson> the only way to tell whether / needs to be on a primary partition is to try it, really :-) the Ubuntu installer always tries to put it on a primary partition for the sake of being conserrvative
[12:15] <troughton> yer but i have been asked by one of my group how to multy install and i need to find out the difrences between versons of linux for my group so i need to multi install so i can give correct answers
[12:19] <cjwatson> sure
[12:19] <cjwatson> I'm not saying this is specific to Ubuntu, just pointing out that that's what we do by default for the reasons I gave above
[12:20] <cjwatson> none of this is specific to Linux for that matter, it's just what the BIOS is willing to do
[12:20] <cjwatson> (note also that certain BIOSes get upset if you have *no* primary partitions ...)
[12:20] <troughton> yer i understand that and still recomend ubuntu and use it but i have more that ubuntu uses at my lug
[12:20] <cjwatson> aye
[12:21] <troughton> ok thanks thats been a grate help
[12:52] <cjwatson> woo, I think I've fixed os-prober to safely deal with mounted partitions
[03:03] <evand> awesome!
[03:04] <cjwatson> (os-prober 1.20, in gutsy now)
[05:36] <superm1> evand, I merged in and tested cjwatson's recommendation this morning
[05:37] <evand> superm1: thanks!  I'll take a look at it after the distro-team meeting.
[05:37] <superm1> k thx
[06:10] <evand> superm1: I don't believe having escape in the preseed_bool args is necessary as python strings are UTF by default, iirc, so I'm modifying that bit.
[06:11] <superm1> evand, oh didn't realize that strings are UTF by default, ok.
[06:15] <cjwatson> that's sort of true but it's not relevant, as that's not what escape does
[06:15] <cjwatson> (at least in the preseed method)
[06:15] <cjwatson> neither of the strings "true" or "false" can ever need escaping, so ...
[06:16] <cjwatson> (escape is for backslashes and newlines)
[06:16] <evand> ah, whoops.  I was looking at the wrong indentation level
[06:16] <cjwatson> the encode stuff is there because strings returned by PyQt (QString wrappers) don't autoconvert to unicode objects
[06:17] <superm1> so pygtk stuff never touches the encoding stuff at all then even
[06:19] <cjwatson> well, it does touch it, but it's mostly redundant for pygtk
[06:19] <cjwatson> easier to have the same code path though.
[06:20] <superm1> right.  I marked my branch to show up at https://code.launchpad.net/ubiquity now.  I'll rename it on the next merge up to something more sensible like ubiquity-mythbuntu as well
[06:31] <evand> superm1: any particular reason why you're not using boolean for the lirc stuff?
[06:32] <superm1> evand, could you point me where your referring to?
[06:33] <evand> the mythbuntu/lirc_remote, mythbuntu/lirc_driver, and mythbuntu/lirc_rc templates
[06:33] <superm1> those are actual strings
[06:33] <superm1> that are parsed from an external database that is now shipped with lirc
[06:34] <evand> ah, my mistake
[06:36] <superm1> there are still a few odds and ends to sort out with lirc - but i'm still discussing with others how we will be sorting them
[06:36] <evand> ok
[06:36] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r2166 ubiquity/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Merged with ubiquity.mythbuntu


[05:27] <artisan_pickle> there is a guy in #ubuntu named sullu that has been geektrolling pretty much all day. i have logs from a different server. i don't want to see his clutter in another channel again. who do i speak to or who wants my cuts from logs?
[05:27] <artisan_pickle> sallu is the nick, sorry
[05:36] <Flannel> artisan_pickle: We'll keep an eye on him, thanks.
[05:41] <artisan_pickle> he's been trolling linuxmint channels most of the day, was here in your chanel this morning but no one bit.
[06:33] <artisan_pickle> seems to have worked. thank for paying attention.
[06:34] <Flannel> artisan_pickle: No problem.   Appreciate. The. Negotiation. Of. My. Ban. In. The Offtopic. Ubuntu. Core. Channel.
[22:35] <bazhang> why the weird writing retroispresto
[22:36] <retroispresto> bazhang, Pausing while speaking to an audience helps get the message across to them.
[22:37] <bazhang> retroispresto, it looks silly on irc
[22:38] <retroispresto> I didn't realize. Thanks for the tip! :)
[22:40] <bazhang> retroispresto, you should find another chat channel at this time, you are not prepared to seriously discuss now it seems
[22:40] <bazhang>  /msg alis list social   <--- retroispresto
[22:40] <retroispresto> Okay. When are you free?
[22:43] <retroispresto> I'll part now. Bye
[22:47] <hggdh> indeed


[11:23] <apw> diwic, hey ... i seem to have lost sound on my main "desktop" with 3.15, and i wondered how i could figure that out
[11:24] <diwic> apw, are all outputs affected?
[11:25] <apw> diwic, all internal ones, i have external USB connected speakers which work
[11:25] <diwic> apw, if you run "ubuntu-bug audio" and go through the sound test, is any of the sound tests working?
[11:27] <apw> is it complaining about mixer settings
[11:28] <apw> though the command it asks me to run is wrong
[11:30] <diwic> apw, okay...could you be more precise?
[11:30] <apw> ok found the card by hand and the mixer setting it whines about (speaker volume) was 0% and fixing that has fixed sound
[11:31] <apw> the command was "alsamixer -D hw:intel" which didnt work
[11:31] <diwic> apw, it's usually big "I" in "Intel"
[11:31] <diwic> apw, but send me your alsa-info and I'll have a look
[11:32] <apw> yeah big I finds it, perhaps i missread the prompt, yep missread, it is in a stupid font which looks like a little i, sigh
[11:32] <apw> ok, anyhow, i assume this is lost alsa settings on upgrade thing?
[11:32] <apw> do you still want my alsa-info ?
[11:33] <diwic> apw, well the question is more like, why didn't pulseaudio change the speaker setting to something reasonable. Or, if you don't have any internal speakers, why do you have such a mixer setting at all
[11:34] <diwic> (you said it was a desktop rather than a laptop)
[11:35] <apw> diwic, ahh this is a laptop in a desktop environment, monitors attached etc, so its not mobile ever, but it is a lappy, hense the "desktop"
[11:35] <apw> it has something plugged in each and every possible port :)
[11:36] <diwic> apw, what port is selected in PulseAudio ( what line is selected in sound settings -> output )
[11:37] <apw> diwic, when i am testing the speakers it is on "Speakers"
[11:38] <diwic> apw, well, then just changing the volume in pulseaudio would also change the speaker volume
[11:38] <apw> as that is the setting it has to be on to use the headphone sockets, i switch it there to the USB speakers for the rest of the time
[11:38] <apw> diwic, ok so the speaker volume was set to a normal value and was working on the USB ones
[11:39] <apw> when i switched internal it was silent, until i used alsa mixer to fix the volume
[11:39] <apw> "speaker volume" meaning pulse's one on the top bar
[11:40] <apw> and switching from one to the other swaps the volume to the per channel volume in pulse too
[11:40] <apw> very odd
[11:40] <apw> very odd that it could be out of sync until i did the adjustment
[11:41] <diwic> apw, yeah, switching to internal should update alsa's speaker volume to something reasonable
[11:42] <apw> diwic, ok, if i watch alsamixer and change pulses volume when on internal
[11:42] <apw> then pulse is changing "master" and not "speaker"
[11:42] <diwic> apw, sure, but if you set alsa's speaker to something and then move pulse's slider, alsa's speaker is moved to maximum
[11:43] <apw> diwic, yes it does, hmmm, oh of course i may not have changed volume, on internal ever
[11:43] <apw> since the issue appeared, presumably in a kernel update lose of settings
[11:44] <apw> as i would switch to USB, find volume works, move to internal, find it broke, whine
[11:44]  * apw notes that the order of his audio devices in alsa-mixer seems different today, in that the internal is not card 0
[11:44] <diwic> apw, anyway - if you find a way to reproduce the error let me know. Otherwise I'll just let it slip.
[11:45] <apw> diwic, yep, as i am running a devel kernel i think that is most appropriate :)  thanks for the help, i have more tools to work it out next time
[11:45] <diwic> apw, btw, while I have you around - I'm seeing some bluetooth headset errors and most of them seem to be a userspace bug I'm currently trying to track down,
[11:46] <diwic> apw, but at least one or two had some weird dmesg errors, let me find them
[11:46] <apw> ack
[11:47] <diwic> apw, in bug 1283003, "Bluetooth: re-auth of legacy device is not possible." "Protocol not supported (93)"
[11:48] <diwic> apw, the latter one is from userspace, the first one from kernel
[11:50] <apw> there is only one bug number there
[11:51] <diwic> apw, yeah, it's the "we report all people in one big bug" story
[11:51] <apw> DOG-PILE
[11:52] <diwic> apw, but for the "re-auth of legacy device is not possible" part, is there anything we should/could do about that?
[11:54] <apw> diwic, well that code seems similar in 13.10 as it does in 14.04, so it is not clear it is that which is at fault
[11:54] <diwic> apw, okau
[11:55] <apw> Voyager bluetoothd[716]: Protocol not supported (93)
[11:55] <apw> how does bluetoothd think that is a reasonable error
[11:55] <apw> what the hell was it doing when it got errno = 93
[11:57] <diwic> apw, okay, let's fix blueman first and see how far that gets us w r t resolving the bugs.
[11:59] <apw> diwic, so it seems we have limited ways that bluetooth can say that, and may imply we have a module missing, will check
[12:03] <apw> diwic, ok everything i would expect is enabled so, hard to be sure, we really need to get bluetoothd to tell us what i was doing if it still fails
[12:03] <diwic> apw, okay. Thanks for the look
[12:04] <apw> diwic, as for the errors and their order, i suspect they try and auth the device, the device is of a type which cannot, so bluetoothd closes and reopens it some differnt way and that fails
[12:04] <apw> but ... what ... harder to say
[12:09] <apw> diwic, it is generally good at reporting what caused the error, though there are one or two places
[12:11] <apw> diwic, then again it uses the saem internal errors ... so for example if a device says HCI_UNSUPPORTED_REMOTE_FEATURE then it switches that to errno 93
[12:11] <apw> which ... could mean it is not kernel at all ... ugle
[12:11] <diwic> apw, hmm, okay...the reason I thought it was kernel was mostly because the kernel dmesg was first
[12:12] <apw> diwic, yeah, it is not clear that that is a fatal thing, as it it might be a normal process connecting and reconnecting in dumber modes
[12:13] <apw> and we had the same basic code before, though if they can down grade just the kerenl and it changes then there is a kernel component
[12:14] <apw> diwic, ok that "error" is informational only and says that we failed to encrypt the link, but the link remains
[12:15] <diwic> ok
[12:18] <diwic> btw, is the hwe backport stuff going to work (in general) like it did for 12.04? I e 14.04.2 will ship with utopic kernel and x stack
[12:22] <bjf> diwic, i can't really speak for anything other than the kernel but yes, there will be a series of lts-<series> kernels for trusty which will also be the defaults for the future point releases
[12:24] <diwic> bjf, ok, good to know
[12:32] <pkern> Could somebody take up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1323165? Patch committed upstream to remove the BUG_ON.
[12:53] <rtg> pkern, patch sent to the k-team list
[12:55] <pkern> rtg: thanks!
[14:30] <vmlintu> Hi, I'm trying to understand the 3.13 kernel maintenance process. How the patches end up there? The tree here has seen no activity for some time: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/linux.git;h=refs/heads/linux-3.13.y;a=shortlog  Am I looking at the right place?
[14:31] <vmlintu> What I'm trying to figure out if this patch marked for stable is on its way to Ubuntu's kernel or if something needs to be done for it to end up there: http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg282079.html
[14:32] <rtg> vmlintu, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git
[14:35] <vmlintu> rtg: ok, I'm cloning that.. is that the Ubuntu flavoured kernel?
[14:36] <rtg> yup
[14:38] <vmlintu> Is git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/linux.git going to get updates or should I follow only the ubuntu-trusty.git repo on updates?
[14:40] <rtg> vmlintu, linux.git is where updates for the stable kernels that we maintain are kept. ubuntu-trusty.git is where those updates go before the kernel is built and published.
[14:45] <vmlintu> ok, it looks like the patch is not there in master-next
[15:00] <vmlintu> Is something needed for the stable patches to be merged? The breaking patch was introduced in 3.13 and the fix went in stable kernel 3.14.5. Should I send mail to the kernel-team mailing list?
[15:02] <rtg> vmlintu, you should send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requesting that the patch be included in 3.13 stable.
[15:06] <vmlintu> rtg: thanks, I'll do that. I haven't really gotten myself familiar with the 3.13 stable process after Ubuntu kernel team took over it.
[15:06] <rtg> vmlintu, it is largely the same, just different maintainers
[15:08] <vmlintu> rtg: ok, that's good to know. Thanks for help!
[15:16] <jsalisbury> **
[15:16] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:16] <jsalisbury> **
[15:19] <rtg> jsalisbury, I suggest we cancel today's meeting as it conflicts with Mark's keynote.
[15:19] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok, will do.
[15:22] <jsalisbury> ##
[15:22] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting Canceled today
[15:22] <jsalisbury> ##
[15:51] <dsmythies> Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me. I am investigating an issue where (it appears as though) deferrable timers are being
[15:51] <dsmythies> deferred for to long (sometimes much too long) and to often.
[15:51] <dsmythies> What I have done is compiled with CONFIG_DEBUG_OBJECTS_TIMERS and I vaquely read somewhere that I also need my grub line
[15:51] <dsmythies> to include ignore_loglevel, which I have. However, I am not seeing any additional information anywhere, including dmesg.
[15:51] <dsmythies> Where would I find the additional information, if it is being generated? Or, what am I missing to generate it?
[16:38] <lim-ladm> hello, has anyone experience over  the e1000 bug with dropped packages on a intel 82574L Gigabit NIC?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> hi \o
[16:49] <jsalisbury> shadeslayer, o/
[16:51] <shadeslayer> jsalisbury: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1310402 , would it be possible to change the scheduler to cfq?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> or maybe even change it for Kubuntu? ( in which case, what kind of issues could we be facing )
[16:54] <jsalisbury> shadeslayer, there is allot of testing and discussion to decide on which scheduler to use by default.  You do have the ability to change the scheduler for your particular system.
[16:55] <shadeslayer> I understand that, but deadline doesn't work out for the needs of Kubuntu/KDE since the file indexer uses features such as io niceness which are not available via deadline
[16:58] <vHanda> jsalisbury: do you any data to backup why the change was made for the deskop?
[16:58] <jsalisbury> shadeslayer, we can request that the default scheduler be changed for the current or next development release, but I'm not so sure we could have it changed for any stable releases.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> vHanda, it was discussed at a prior UDS and should be in the minutes/notes from UDS.
[17:01] <shadeslayer> jsalisbury: right, and any ideas on whether changing it specifically for Kubuntu would mess up anything else in foundations?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> i.e. is there stuff in foundations that expects the scheduler to be deadline
[17:02] <jsalisbury> shadeslayer, that's a good question.  I really don't know the answer off hand.  apw or cking do you happen to know ^^^  If not, it's something that would have to be researched.
[17:03] <vHanda> I had only found this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1008400/comments/16
[17:03] <shadeslayer> roger
[17:04] <apw> shadeslayer, so that was performance related, that cfq was not performing well and got switched to deadline generally
[17:04] <cking> but it is useful to know the corner cases where deadline may suck
[17:04] <apw> cking, sunds like it is not feature compatible with cfq
[17:04] <apw> shadeslayer, as this can be changed on the fly, i assume we can just change it at boot time
[17:04] <vHanda> apw: cfq was not performing well for desktop use or server?
[17:05] <apw> desktop, never has for server according to the server folk
[17:05] <apw> it was a key contributer to the going unresponsive for a long time issues we were seeing back at the change
[17:06] <cking> like all "defaults", it tries to do the best for most classes of use cases
[17:07] <vHanda> Could you please point me to some documentation regarding these "use cases" and data showing it was not performing well.
[17:08] <apw> vHanda, it was a fair time ago, iirc the graphs etc were sent to the kernel-team@ list and should be in the archives
[17:08] <vHanda> I have users complaining about the file indexer using a decent amount of IO and without niceness it renders there system quite slugish.
[17:08] <apw> vHanda, so change the default at boot time on kubuntu ?
[17:08] <apw> and be happy
[17:09] <apw> it is runtime configurable after all
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apw: right, for that, do you know if kubuntu can switch out deadline for cfq and things won't break apart ?
[17:10] <vHanda> I see this - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2013-July/030360.html
[17:10] <apw> shadeslayer, you can change it at any time even under load and it should just work
[17:10] <vHanda> which is completely right but disregards mechanical rotational medium
[17:10] <vHanda> anyway, I'll look more
[17:10] <cking> vHanda, it's older than that, that was for a phone config
[17:11] <shadeslayer> apw: ack
[17:12] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look and try it get changed for 14.10
[17:12] <shadeslayer> for Kubuntu
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apw: btw is there a way to set the default scheduler as a config file ( as opposed to passing it at boot time )
[17:19]  * cking wonders if a udev rule will suffice, as mentioned in http://askubuntu.com/questions/78682/how-do-i-change-to-the-noop-scheduler
[19:01] <apw> cking, yeah that is a good basis for changing it long term
[19:26] <ekarlso> any idea on when there will be a newer kernel out for 14.04 ?
[19:28] <apw> ekarlso, newer as in more bug fixes or a later upstream version ?
[19:28] <ekarlso> apw: both would be nice...
[19:29] <apw> ekarlso, we issue bug fix updates about every 3 weeks, we will liklely backport the U kernel to 14.04 when that releases
[19:31] <ekarlso> apw: I keep seeing kernel panics with ovs and gre / vxlan because of forwarding on a openstack network node
[19:32] <apw> ekarlso, have you filed a bug about it?
[19:32] <ekarlso> apw: I have for the GRE stuff yes
[19:32] <smitty> The kernels newer than <IP_ADDRESS>-generic will not recognize the Playstation 3 gamepad. <IP_ADDRESS>-generic and <IP_ADDRESS>-generic fail during boot with a dmesg error of "sony 0003:054C:0268.0003: can't set operational mode" and then "sony: probe of 0003:054C:0268.0003 failed with error -38".
[19:33] <apw> if you could throw the bug # in here in the discussion so i can pass it on to interested parties
[19:33] <ekarlso> but it sucks getting info on it because the trace is to long to record...
[19:33] <bjf> smitty, have you filed a bug? if it's a regression then you can work with jsalisbury and he'll help you find the bad commit
[19:34] <jsalisbury> smitty, I'll keep and eye out for the bug and help you with a bisect.
[19:34] <ekarlso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1313591
[19:35] <smitty> Thanks! I haven't filed a bug report as it seems a bit complicated. I've had to stick with the <IP_ADDRESS>-generic kernel.
[19:36] <apw> smitty, you should be able to run "ubuntu-bug linux" to file a basic bug
[19:36] <bjf> ekarlso, it looks like that bug is waiting for you to test a kernel
[19:36] <bjf> ekarlso, see comment #6
[19:41] <smitty> apw, I suppose I have to be running the affected kernel right? I uninstalled it but I suppose I can reinstall it. "ubuntu-bug linux" does not seem to have a mechanism to add my own report to it. It just scans my system and goes directly to upload.
[20:17] <smitty_> apw, I used "ubuntu-bug linux" to file a bug report. After several errors the process has completed. I couldn't continue to use an old kernel.
[20:22] <ekarlso> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1313591
[20:22] <ekarlso> updated..
[20:22] <ekarlso> I've tested the 3.14 with GRE and VXLAN and also on 3.13
[20:22] <ekarlso> it seems to panic on all 4 scenarios
[20:27] <ekarlso> apw: anything I can try ?
[20:27] <smitty_> jsalisbury, I filed a report bug #1328673 for the playstation 3 gamepad. Apparently it was a waste of time as someone beat me to it. Oops... maybe not.
[20:34] <ekarlso> bjf: there it is...
[20:34] <bjf> ekarlso, thanks
[20:34] <ekarlso> bjf: any later kernel I can tset ?
[20:34] <ekarlso> 3.15 ?
[20:35] <ekarlso> this is getting pretty annoyin
[20:35] <bjf> ekarlso, you certainly could try a utopic kernel
[20:35] <ekarlso> is that installable on trusty ?
[20:35] <bjf> ekarlso, the kernel is, yes. you need to pull down the .debs and use dpkg to install them
[20:36] <bjf> ekarlso, amd64?
[20:37] <ekarlso> bjf: yes
[20:37] <bjf> ekarlso, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.15.0-5.10/+build/6062393
[20:37] <ekarlso> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.15-utopic/ ;)
[20:38] <bjf> ekarlso, you can try that also
[20:38] <bjf> ekarlso, that would actually be better
[21:15] <ekarlso> bjf: so obviously the thing that helps is setting gro / gso off on the NIC that is the -o interface in iptables for the masquerade
[21:16] <bjf> ekarlso, that "fixes" it for you as well?
[21:17] <bjf> ekarlso, the 3.15 kernel didn't help ?
[21:17] <ekarlso> bjf: yah, I was doing it for the wrong iface
[21:17] <ekarlso> bjf: nop