[07:52] <fangorious> you could probably configure an option in grub to boot the usb drive, but i don't think you can use grub to fix the windows bootloader files on the drive
[07:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> djk_: crushes..
[07:53] <Panzerboy> well, i must admit, i didn't install windows on an usb drive ever
[07:53] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: windows read a file boot.ini from the root of the Active partition that tells it where the kernel is (what harddrive, partition, path)
[07:53] <djk_> Tallia1Kubuntu: so it's perfectly normal that the timezone changes to Moscow over night for no reason?
[07:53] <Panzerboy> fangorious: yeah, that's true
[07:54] <Panzerboy> i have no idea however how can you specify the usb drive in the boot.ini
[07:55] <Panzerboy> however, strange stuff :)
[07:55] <sweet_kate> hi
[07:55] <fangorious> so my assumption is that the disk/partition specified in that file no longer reflects the right location. although i would have expected you would get a Microsoft error message about being unable to boot. so you could also have some usb device boot settings to fix
[07:55] <sweet_kate> when i try t oremove openoffice.org
[07:55] <sweet_kate> 2
[07:55] <sweet_kate> it says it 'll remove kubuntu-desktop too
[07:55] <sweet_kate> !!!
[07:55] <ubotu> ??
[07:55] <sampan> sweet_kate  that's okay.  "kubuntu-desktop" is just an (empty) metapackage
[07:56] <sweet_kate> it s not that real one?
[07:56] <fangorious> sweet_kate: kubuntu-desktop is a meta package that identifys specific versions of other packages, bu tremoving it won't remove all of them
[07:56] <sweet_kate> after will i still have kde?
[07:56] <sweet_kate> yes?
[07:56] <sampan> no, it's just an (empty) package with a bazillion dependencies, so that people can install the whole mess with ONE "package" instead of having to install each kde package separately
[07:56] <sweet_kate> ok yes
[07:56] <fangorious> sweet_kate: having kubuntu-desktop installed makes it simpler to upgrade your kde install all at once, but isn't required
[07:56] <sampan> errr, "yes" you will still have kde
[07:58] <Nemezis> hey, how can I kill the X without starting itself again ?
[07:58] <sampan> djk_ i don't think changing timezones for no reason is a regular "feature" of kde
[07:58] <fangorious> anyone know how to get file url's to open in a separate window, while keeping web url's opening in a tab?
[07:58] <Flosoft> why is kdesktop always crashing?
[07:58] <djk_> sampan: neither do i.. yet it happened 3 times so far, always to Moscow
[07:59] <fangorious> djk_: if you middle-click on the clock, it changes time zone
[07:59] <sampan> djk_  very strange!  i had a little problem with it not allowing me to change my timezone after initial install, but that was fixed in the first updates to breezy.  i have no clue why it would keep changing yours :/
[08:00] <djk_> fangorious: i know, but i don't use the middlebutton of my mouse..
[08:00] <fangorious> djk_: if you go into the Timezones tab of the Configure-Clock window, you can deselect all timezones you don't want to see
[08:00] <Nemezis> hey, how can I kill the X without starting itself again ?
[08:00] <Nemezis> ??
[08:01] <Flosoft> why is kdesktop always crashing?
[08:01] <Nemezis> Flosoft: what version?
[08:01] <Discordian> Nemezis: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:01] <djk_> fangorious: that's not the point, i'd rather like to know how and/or why it changed
[08:01] <fangorious> Nemezis: you'll have to stop the login manager too (kdm for kubuntu, gdm for ubuntu)
[08:01] <Flosoft> KDE 3.5
[08:02] <fangorious> djk_: i know, just trying to present a workaround. i haven't personally experienced that problem
[08:02] <Flosoft> brb
[08:03] <|Flosoft|> hey again
[08:04] <Jestre> Kopete have STARTTLS for Jabber?
[08:04] <fangorious> Jestre: doesn't appear to, i've been debating writing it and submitting a patch
[08:04] <sweet_kate> how can i see my installed packages in order of size?
[08:05] <Jestre> Drat... this has turned into a comedy of errors :(
[08:05] <fangorious> Jestre: does ssl not sork with your server?
[08:06] <fangorious> sork being a synonym for work
[08:06] <sampan> sweet_kate  i don't know if adept can do that, but synaptic (the ubuntu package manager) can
[08:06] <Jestre> No, I only have the one port open
[08:06] <sweet_kate> what do i do in synaptic?
[08:06] <sweet_kate> i have it
[08:07] <sampan> sweet_kate  k, open it, then at bottom there's a "status" button, click it.  then check to see in preferences luan78zao!
[08:07] <Jestre> fangorious: I suppose I could open 5223 as well...
[08:08] <sampan> sorry, wife just dropped some coffee on me ... ack
[08:08] <|Flosoft|> anyone with a solution to kdesktop?
[08:08] <fangorious> sweet_kate: there should be a "size" button as a column header in the pane that shows packages
[08:08] <sampan> sweet_kate  click status, then "installed", then "size" (on the right) -- should order the packages by size
[08:08] <sampan> if you don't see a size column, you can add it in preferences
[08:09] <sweet_kate> ok
[08:09] <sweet_kate> tnx
[08:09] <sweet_kate> :*
[08:09] <sweet_kate> sampan: where r u from?
[08:10] <gsd> is there some that can help me with wifi
[08:10] <sampan> sweet_kate  i'm in berkeley california now.  yourself?
[08:10] <sweet_kate> italy!!!
[08:10] <sampan> NICE!  :)
[08:11] <crimsun> gsd: what about wifi?
[08:11] <sweet_kate> sampan: can u accept queries?
[08:11] <Jestre> Beware of the gui wifi tools :)
[08:11] <_mehmet> i downloaded source from http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:11] <_mehmet> but there is a warning
[08:11] <fangorious> Jestre: why? i find they work well enough unless using wpa
[08:12] <_mehmet> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:12] <gsd> crimsun, Cant connect to the wireless router
[08:12] <_mehmet> whatz that
[08:12] <sampan> sweet_kate  sure :)
[08:12] <_mehmet> owner :)
[08:12] <sweet_kate> i ve messaged u in query!
[08:13] <fangorious> gsd: does the router broadcast ssid? require wep? require wpa? (wpa2? personal tkip or aes?)
[08:13] <Jestre> fangorious: First I tried the Wireless applet, and clicking the Administrative mode allowed me to edit the info, but never activated the network
[08:13] <gsd> ssid
[08:13] <Nemezis> Kubuntu's KDE contains one KDE improvment patch from kde-look, how can I make it not using?
[08:13] <Nemezis> I dont need it
[08:14] <fangorious> Jestre: there's a checkbox to automatically try one of the configured networks, and a button to manually activate, did you use either? (i actually prefer gnome's network-manager, but the one in the backports repo)
[08:14] <Jestre> fangorious: I tried both, neither seemed to have any effect
[08:14] <Jestre> So I configured it through the Network Settings applet...
[08:15] <Jestre> Went back, made a change to a setting (not the password) and saved it.. it wrote *'s to the key field, rather than the key
[08:15] <Nemezis> I dont want to use this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16962
[08:15] <Nemezis> it makes KDE slow
[08:15] <fangorious> Jestre: network-manager is pretty sweet, very reminiscent of apple's tool. but at the moment it requires bind as a local caching server
[08:15] <Jestre> So I re-entered the key...  and this time it saved it, but also saved a corrupt entry for the (thus far unconfigured eth0), which causes nothing to start
[08:16] <fangorious> gsd, what wifi chipset do you have on your machine?
[08:16] <Jestre> I finally found the 'interfaces' file, hand edited everything and brought up the network the old-fashioned way :)
[08:16] <Jestre> I'm not impressed
[08:16] <Nemezis> I dont want to use this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16962
[08:16] <crimsun> gsd: does your wireless access point require encryption?
[08:16] <fangorious> Nemezis: then don't ... ?
[08:17] <Nemezis> fangorious: it omes by default with kubuntu
[08:17] <gsd> no
[08:17] <fangorious> Nemezis: you can change the theme/style/behavior as much as you like
[08:17] <Discordian> ye, the mouse selection is really slow in breezy, i noticed that as well
[08:18] <gsd> fangorious, it's Wireless/Pro 2.4
[08:18] <fangorious> gsd: who makes it?
[08:18] <Nemezis> fangorious: are u ok? did u even see the link?
[08:18] <Nemezis> it is not theme
[08:18] <Nemezis> it is some stupid improvement
[08:18] <crimsun> gsd: ``iwlist scan'' should list the ssid, then
[08:18] <gsd> fangorious, who makes what?
[08:19] <fangorious> Nemezis: guess i didn't read it closely. the first comment was about a change to the plastik theme, so i assumed using a theme other than plastik would mean you aren't subject to the improvement
[08:19] <gsd> crimsun, you're right
[08:19] <gsd> evrything is in there, but then...
[08:20] <Nemezis> fangorious: I am using Lipstik and yet I am influenced by the "mprovment"
[08:20] <Nemezis> improvment*
[08:20] <fangorious> gsd: your wifi card/chip. Wireless/Pro 2.4 doesn't mean anything to me. since you can scan, i'm guessing the drivers are loading and the card is basically functioning
[08:20] <fangorious> gsd, you can do 'sudo iwconfig eth0 ssid <ssid>' to manually specify it (substituting your interface for eth0)
[08:22] <gsd> it's says unrecognized wireless request "ssid"
[08:22] <crimsun> iwconfig uses essid, not ssid
[08:22] <Nemezis> why do u even bother with such shit like kde improvments, KDE ownz as it is, original
[08:22] <fangorious> Nemezis: i already admitted i didn't read it carefully enough. if there are source code changes to the core kde components then you probably can't use the kubuntu packages without getting that behavior
[08:23] <Nemezis> fangorious: ok thanks
[08:23] <sampan> there's no need for vulgarity
[08:23] <fangorious> what a whiner
[08:24] <crimsun> it's best to ignore those comments
[08:24] <crimsun> you can't please everyone
[08:24] <gsd> fangorious, ok then?
[08:25] <fangorious> gsd: does 'iwconfig eth0' indicate that you are now associated with the AP?
[08:25] <gsd> yes
[08:25] <ClayG> is there a nix program that can interact with ms publisher?
[08:26] <fangorious> gsd: if you're wanting dhcp, you can try 'ifup --force eth0'
[08:26] <gsd> fangorious, it's says SIOCADDRT: File exist
[08:27] <crimsun> gsd: ``ifconfig -a'' output --> pastebin, please
[08:28] <gsd> some kind of hard to paste, couse I am on my desktop right now, and I am trying to connect my laptop ...
[08:28] <crimsun> gsd: ok, I just need to know what kernel module you're using for wifi
[08:28] <crimsun> gsd: ``lsmod'' will tell you
[08:29] <HiTiT> hello, I have a big problem, i turned on my computer. and the resolution is 640*480, and i cant change it , what should I do?
[08:29] <crimsun> !tell HiTiT about fixres
[08:30] <fangorious> !fixres
[08:30] <ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:31] <HiTiT> ok 1thanks
[08:33] <_mehmet> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:33] <_mehmet> what do i have to do
[08:36] <_matthias> _mehmet: err.. anyone answering you yet?
[08:36] <Nemezis> when I try to install NVidia drivers it says that 'cc' is not installed but I have g++/gcc compilers intsalled, what do I need to install further?
[08:36] <_mehmet> no
[08:38] <Nemezis> when I try to install NVidia drivers it says that 'cc' is not installed but I have g++/gcc compilers intsalled, what do I need to install further?
[08:40] <crimsun> Nemezis: do the included Nvidia drivers not suffice?
[08:40] <crimsun> Nemezis: i.e., http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:40] <Nemezis> crimsun: I cant watch DVDs with xv driver for Xine engine because the showing of dvd movies is so slow
[08:40] <Nemezis> verymuch slow
[08:41] <Nemezis> and I was adviced on installing newer nvidia drivers
[08:41] <Nemezis> from nvidia.com
[08:41] <crimsun> Nemezis: then you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) gcc-3.4 build-essential
[08:41] <_mehmet> adept says could not open cache
[08:42] <_mehmet> any suggestion ?
[08:42] <crimsun> _mehmet: what's the issue?
[08:42] <_mehmet> i ca not open adept
[08:42] <crimsun> _mehmet: sudo apt-get check
[08:42] <_mehmet> it says couldn't open cache
[08:43] <crimsun> _mehmet: sudo apt-get update
[08:43] <_mehmet> E: Type 'BYE' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <_mehmet> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:43] <_mehmet> says
[08:43] <crimsun> _mehmet: your sources.list is broken
[08:44] <_mehmet> who broke it
[08:44] <_mehmet> :)
[08:44] <crimsun> you?
[08:44] <_mehmet> what should i do
[08:44] <_mehmet> me
[08:44] <crimsun> !repos
[08:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:44] <Nemezis> crimsun: gcc-3.4 build-essential >
[08:44] <Nemezis> ??
[08:44] <crimsun> _mehmet: go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
[08:44] <Nemezis> what is build-essential
[08:44] <_mehmet> ok
[08:44] <crimsun> Nemezis: it's the metapackage for essential build-tools
[08:44] <crimsun> Nemezis: however, the kernel is compiled with gcc-3.4 not gcc-4.0
[08:45] <Nemezis> crimsun: yes I know that thanks
[08:45] <Nemezis> :)
[08:46] <_mehmet> crimsun
[08:46] <_mehmet> should i write all of them to terminal
[08:46] <_mehmet> :(
[08:48] <crimsun> _mehmet: save it as /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:48] <crimsun> then sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <Nemezis> crimsun: in the repository only comes build-essential with gcc 4.0
[08:48] <_mehmet> ok
[08:49] <crimsun> Nemezis: um, that's why you have to install gcc-3.4
[08:50] <Nemezis> thanks
[08:50] <Nemezis> :)
[08:50] <Nemezis> goint init 4
[08:51] <crimsun> um, init 4 is identical to what you're in.
[08:51] <crimsun> Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games.
[08:51] <crimsun> 2-5 are identical
[08:51] <crimsun> I presume what you want to do is sudo invoke-rc.d kdm stop
[08:52] <_mehmet> crimsun
[08:52] <_mehmet> it does not work
[08:53] <_mehmet> there is already sources list that directory
[08:53] <Anoebis> crimsun: ok I screwed the system
[08:54] <Anoebis> I remove apt-get and Adept somehow
[08:54] <Anoebis> dont ask me how
[08:54] <Anoebis> :((
[08:54] <Anoebis> how can I get them back
[08:54] <buzzy> i need to rename all files in a dir with letter "s" and change "s" to "a" ..how can i do it?
[08:55] <Anoebis> please anyone HELP
[08:56] <Anoebis> I NEED HELP GOD DAMN IT !!!!!!!1
[08:57] <Anoebis> i removed apt-get and adept so I can't get some packages back installed
[08:58] <Blippe> buzzy, got the same problem, look up "rename" and do a "man rename"
[08:59] <sampan> buzzy  there's a nifty little file manager program, called krusader, if you install it and the "krename" package, you can do batch renames very easily -- i did 850 renames of mp3 files (changing all " " to "_") in 5 seconds -- VERY handy
[08:59] <Blippe> buzzy you could play around with "rename -n" which won't affect your files but only spit out what the results would be
[08:59] <Blippe> oh, yeah, and there is krusader :D
[08:59] <sampan> krusader + krename = da bomb
[09:00] <Anoebis> i removed apt-get and adept so I can't get some packages back installed
[09:00] <Blippe> krusader is almost as useful as the win-program total commander if you are aware of it...
[09:01] <Anoebis> How can I install *.deb package without apt-get with dependencies resolving
[09:01] <Anoebis> ?
[09:01] <Anoebis> from CD
[09:01] <Blippe> why not use apt-get if it is from the cd?
[09:01] <Anoebis> Blippe: because I removed apt-get somehow
[09:01] <Blippe> otherwise: dpkg
[09:01] <Anoebis> so I want to get it back
[09:02] <crimsun> you removed apt?
[09:02] <crimsun> why on Earth did you do that?
[09:02] <Anoebis> have no idea how
[09:02] <crimsun> just find the apt and apt-utils debs and dpkg -i them
[09:03] <Anoebis> I must have pressed
[09:03] <Anoebis> k
[09:04] <ganymed> hallo
[09:04] <_mehmet> crimsun
[09:05] <_mehmet> i can not save it
[09:05] <_mehmet> cause it does not overwrite it
[09:05] <Anoebis> crimsun: restored everything
[09:06] <crimsun> _mehmet: wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6047
[09:06] <crimsun> _mehmet: sudo mv d6047 /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <_mehmet> ok
[09:07] <ganymed> does anybody "want" to help me with a debian prob?
[09:07] <crimsun> #debian is better for that, ganymed
[09:07] <jjesse> what do i need installed to rip cd into .mp3 using kaudiocreator?
[09:08] <ganymed> :) guess where i am...
[09:08] <crimsun> jjesse: well it suggests lame, so try installing it
[09:08] <sampan> jjesse  i think the lame package might help
[09:08] <jjesse> grin thanks
[09:08] <polachok> hello, can i get kbfx package for breezy anywhere?
[09:11] <ganymed> ok. in debian nobody can help me... so i just ask...
[09:11] <ganymed> when boot i get a kernel panic. my box says: reiserfs: sh2600: md2: read_super_block: bread failed. any ideas?
[09:16] <crimsun> ganymed: have you searched the Web?
[09:18] <ganymed> yes
[09:18] <ganymed> a lot of links are broken for this topic... strange
[09:18] <ganymed> but i have an idea
[09:19] <buzzy> why on my kubuntu a system sound (i.e. an error sound) comes some seconds after the advising message has come up???
[09:20] <buzzy> have i some trouble with alsa
[09:20] <buzzy> ?
[09:20] <crimsun> buzzy: do you have any other audio troubles?
[09:20] <buzzy> i do know!
[09:20] <ganymed> it's the same for me
[09:20] <buzzy> only a delay
[09:21] <crimsun> it's probably i/o starvation then
[09:21] <ganymed> and it is the same in sarge... seems to be an alsa prob
[09:21] <buzzy> ganymed: u refer to me?
[09:21] <ganymed> yes
[09:21] <buzzy> how to solve?
[09:21] <crimsun> um no, it's not an ALSA problem unless it exists everywhere
[09:21] <crimsun> i.e. sound always exhibits such a delay
[09:22] <ganymed> yes, it does!
[09:23] <ganymed> everywhere, with everything... no matter what the systems is supposed to accoustically say
[09:24] <sphere02> ngon som har kompilerat knifty win decoration
[09:31] <_mehmet> i received a list from http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:31] <_mehmet> and i said fetch updates on adept
[09:31] <_mehmet> is it enough to get last list
[09:32] <_mehmet> it seems 17260 available packages
[09:32] <_mehmet> is it ok?
[09:32] <crimsun> ganymed: um, does killing artsd and using aplay directly exhibit this problem?
[09:33] <_mehmet> do i have a proplem still crimsun
[09:34] <crimsun> _mehmet: are you still getting errors with Adept and apt-get?
[09:34] <_mehmet> no
[09:34] <_mehmet> it is done
[09:34] <crimsun> _mehmet: then no
[09:34] <ganymed> sry, but i have been busy with some other nasty problems... so i haven't been able to test anything concerning arts...
[09:35] <_mehmet> i mean 940 installed 93 upragable and 17260 available packages means i get the last sources?
[09:37] <ganymed> well, not kubuntu related!
[09:39] <sphere02> anyone got the knifty decoration kompiled
[09:41] <globe> how do I disable IPv6 on my computer?
[09:45] <skbera> I have a strange problem. My display is suddenly chaged to 640*480 when i restarted my PC. the display properties dialog box also showing just one resolution setting(640*480). How can I change this back to 1024*768. Please anyone help...
[09:50] <ganymed>  i get the following when i boot: UDF-fs: No partition found | Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block
[09:50] <ganymed> any ideas?
[09:51] <_wotnarg> skbera: Do sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server
[09:51] <Blippe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xor
[09:52] <_wotnarg> what Blippe said, except xorg
[09:53] <Blippe> _wotnarg, why not the xorg?
[09:53] <_wotnarg> no, it should be xorg
[09:53] <_wotnarg> not xor :p
[09:53] <robotgeek> Blippe: what does the -phigh do?
[09:54] <skbera> _wotnarg: Thankyou very much. I am looking for this command.
[09:55] <Blippe> robotgeek, i don't really know (trying to find out right now), but ubuntu's xorg.conf recommends it so it can't be bad!
[09:56] <Blippe> wotnarg, ah...
[09:56] <Blippe> the -p sets the priority and the value is high therefor -phigh
[09:58] <Blippe> the priority of the questions that is... so beginners won't get questions like "Please enter the video card's bus identifier."
[09:59] <robotgeek> Blippe: thank you
[10:05] <mike> I have a Linksys WUSB54G ver.4 network adaptor and I can't figure out how to get it to work.  Can somebody help me?  (I think I need to use ndiswrapper, but I'm  completely new to Linux so I get confused whenever I try to figure it out)
[10:05] <robotgeek> mike, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:05] <robotgeek> mike: check if your card is listed
[10:09] <_kaeru> I need help setting up my wireless card. It works if I use iwconfig to set the channes, essid, and wep key but I cant figure out how do this automatically at boot
[10:09] <_kaeru> I've been playing with /etc/network/interfaces but nothings worked
[10:10] <robotgeek> _kaeru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:11] <mike> robotgeek, it's not listed on that site you gave me but if you go here http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#L  and go to 20 under L it's listed there, but i'm not sure what to do from there (also, i'm using the adaptor on USB1.1)
[10:11] <robotgeek> !ndiswrapper
[10:11] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:15] <joel86> hello,, when i install linux/kubuntu witch system on the list should i pick and what shoult i take for sys if i just want one partition for space
[10:15] <Nemezis> hi me again
[10:16] <Nemezis> I installed Nvidia newest drivers but still when watching DVDs, the show is very slow
[10:17] <_kaeru> Nemezis: Have you enabled DMA for your drive?
[10:17] <hugelmopf> joel86: out of which list?
[10:17] <Nemezis> _kaeru: yes I have
[10:18] <Nemezis> _kaeru: whoups
[10:18] <Nemezis> nope
[10:18] <Nemezis> hdparm ?
[10:18] <Nemezis> what command enables dma ?
[10:19] <hugelmopf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[10:19] <vega-> hdparm
[10:19] <_kaeru> edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:21] <tictric> ah, yes 64bit goes right smooth. I just wonder why I didn't install it earlier.
[10:21] <joel86> hugelmopf:when i install kubuntu i get a list of what ui want to install on witch partition,,, like exp 3 exp2
[10:22] <hugelmopf> joel86: ok, i understand. if you don't have any personal preference, you might want to go for ext3 as main partition file system.
[10:23] <hugelmopf> joel86: this is only the choice about which filesystem (like FAT or NTFS in windows).
[10:26] <joel86> ye ok,, but there are like 10 choises
[10:26] <hugelmopf> joel86: as i said... use ext3.
[10:30] <joel86> ok,, and the partition that i just want for space ??
[10:31] <hugelmopf> joel86: do you want to access it from windows as well?
[10:31] <Blippe> joel86, ext3 is for you! all the way, most of the others are primarily for old or not for the home-user!
[10:31] <hugelmopf> joel86: if you have to access that space from windows, then you should choose VFAT as file system.
[10:32] <Blippe> oh, and (as hugelmopf was going to say) if you want to have a double boot system and both systems was going to use the files , use fat!
[10:32] <joel86> ok,, i dont have windows on my computer so,, vfat or the other ??
[10:32] <hugelmopf> joel86: ext3
[10:32] <Blippe> ext3 joel86
[10:33] <joel86> yes i got that ext on one parttition,, but i have to have some system on my second partition ?
[10:34] <hugelmopf> if you want to store files on there: yes you need a file system.
[10:34] <Blippe> use ext3 on that one too!
[10:35] <joel86> dont i get the same things on myc both partitions if i do that ??
[10:35] <hugelmopf> joel86: this is only the file system, not files.
[10:35] <hugelmopf> joel86: it is what you call "formatting a drive/partition" under windows
[10:36] <joel86> but i dont have windows
[10:36] <hugelmopf> joel86: right, this was just an analogy.
[10:36] <Blippe> I don't really think you will ever see any difference whichever fs you choose!
[10:36] <joel86> ah ok =) ,, well i try whit that =)
[10:37] <dell500> how do  you mount the ipod with out it being read only?
[10:38] <Blippe> and (on a sidenote) even ubotu claims that http://www.fs-driver.org/ is good enough to use with win and thereby having an ext3fs won't stop your windowsing needs :D
[10:38] <Blippe> !ext3
[10:38] <ubotu> somebody said ext3 was a filesystem that Linux can be installed on and can be read/wrote from Windows via http://www.fs-driver.org
[10:38] <Blippe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[10:39] <Blippe> dell500 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[10:39] <dell500> thanks
[10:40] <_mehmet> how can i reboot on konsole
[10:40] <tictric> _mehmet: I bet
[10:40] <_mehmet> I bet
[10:41] <_mehmet> should i write i bet
[10:41] <_mehmet> :)
[10:41] <hugelmopf> _mehmet: "sudo reboot"?
[10:42] <dell500> nope, that doesn't work
[10:42] <Blippe> so, your ipod does show up on the desktop, but as an readonly device?
[10:44] <Blippe> dell500 check which user is the owner of the files
[10:45] <Knowerrors> Is there a way to bring up the alt+tab prog switching menu, using only mouse buttons?  For example (click/hold left, then right, then release), like a mouse gesture, but only using the buttons
[10:46] <dell500> good call Blippe
[10:46] <dell500> says root is...
[10:46] <Flosoft> hey
[10:46] <dell500> is there a way to change owners or something, like chown...
[10:46] <Blippe> dell500 check how chown wors then: sudo chown (parameters)
[10:47] <Flosoft> does anyone know why Kaffeine crashes often with Xine?
[10:48] <Blippe> flosoft, good question, i'm still awaiting the answer to that... Althugh, for some strange reason, mine just stopped crashing one day...
[10:49] <Blippe> i can't start noatun nowodays instead
[10:53] <Flosoft> plssss ... I would need a fix of that!
[11:02] <Knowerrors> Any Gmail users here?  I am trying to send an email with 2 png attachments, one is 100k the other 90k, the message never sends with konq, same with opera, and firefox says "document contains no data" after a few minutes, any help please... I can send same attachments fine with yahoo email
[11:06] <neoncode> Hey is their anyway to reuse my win XP Home installl to run windows programs on linux?
[11:09] <Knowerrors> neoncode: I think vmware would work for you, Ive heard theres a free version for desktop users...
[11:09] <Steven_M> hi all
[11:14] <Panzerboy> any idea why on my brand new kubuntu the dns resolving takes ages?
[11:14] <hugelmopf> Panzerboy: could be IPv6 related issues. try the following workaround:
[11:15] <hugelmopf> export KDE_NO_IPV6="true"
[11:15] <hugelmopf> ^^ add this to ~/.bashrc
[11:15] <hugelmopf> and restart KDE
[11:15] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: ok, i will
[11:15] <Panzerboy> thanks a bunch!
[11:16] <Puaff> hugelmopf: what yor are saying is only ralated to kde apps?
[11:16] <hugelmopf> Puaff: yes
[11:16] <hugelmopf> Panzerboy: i forgot to mention that. did you have problems with non-KDE applications?
[11:17] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: didn't try yet
[11:18] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: don't seem to have any non-kde apps installed :)
[11:18] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: as i said, it's a brand new kubuntu installation
[11:18] <hugelmopf> Panzerboy: if the above works and you want to make it system wide, add "KDE_NO_IPV6=true" to /etc/environment.
[11:18] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: oki
[11:19] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: i'm just in the process of an upgrade to kde 3.5, so i'll try the workaround as soon as the upgrade is finished
[11:19] <Panzerboy> which will be in a half of hour or so
[11:21] <Panzerboy> one thing though that surprised me rather pleasantly is that the wireless network worked out of the box
[11:21] <Panzerboy> i was prepared for a long struggle :)(
[11:21] <Panzerboy> with windows drivers and printed docs to tackle it :)
[11:22] <Puaff> Panzerboy: are you compiling kde yourself? In affirmative case, do you use kde from a /home/nnnnnnn directory?
[11:22] <Puaff> Panzerboy: I mean, are you going to overwrite kde file packages?
[11:26] <Panzerboy> Puaff: i am not compilling kde myself
[11:26] <Panzerboy> Puaff: i am just upgrading from the packaged that ridell made
[11:27] <glick> hi
[11:28] <Puaff> Panzerboy: uops, I dint't know that there was a 3.5 package =:-)
[11:28] <Panzerboy> Puaff: yes :)
[11:28] <Panzerboy> Puaff: one sec
[11:29] <Panzerboy> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[11:30] <Panzerboy> here are the packages
[11:30] <Puaff> Panzerboy: a lot of thx ;-)
[11:30] <Panzerboy> Puaff: you're welcome
[11:30] <Jestre> Which firefox do I install?  'firefox' or 'mozilla-firefox'?
[11:30] <Panzerboy> Puaff: you have to add ridell's gpg key to your ring
[11:31] <nalioth> Jestre: they are both the same
[11:31] <Panzerboy> Puaff: go to kubuntu.org and there on the homepage there is a link that explains how to do it
[11:31] <Puaff> Panzerboy: I'll take a look, many thx
[11:31] <Jestre> nalioth: Thanks
[11:31] <Panzerboy> Puaff: you're welcome
[11:34] <glick> thinking of givin kubuntu a shot
[11:34] <glick> vs ubuntu
[11:34] <glick> heard kubuntu has a much tighter and sexier desktop than ubuntu
[11:35] <Blippe> glick tighter?
[11:35] <glick> tighter as in more intergrated
[11:35] <glick> more organized
[11:35] <Knowerrors> glick: youre asking people who are alread biased towards kubuntu :)
[11:35] <Blippe> glick, just do a "sudo apt-get install kde"
[11:35] <tictric_> glick: just use the two of them alongside eachother and find out which one you like better
[11:35] <Knowerrors> I agree that it is, and has more features and customization
[11:35] <hugelmopf> glick: even better "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[11:36] <Blippe> glick, answer the questions and restart!
[11:36] <glick> heh yeah
[11:36] <glick> i need to do a re-install anyway
[11:36] <Puaff> glick: I have been an gnome user for many time, I made the mistake "apt-get install kde" in ubuntu, now I'm always in kde
[11:36] <Panzerboy> glick: you're right, kde is tighter AND SEXIER than gnome :)
[11:36] <glick> guess ill do that first to check it out though
[11:36] <Knowerrors> If you want things simple, stay with Gnome/Ubuntu, they give you few choices, so less to think about, also less fun to use
[11:36] <Panzerboy> glick: another thing you can try is the live cd
[11:36] <Knowerrors> KDE Rules!
[11:36] <Panzerboy> see if it's sexy enough for you :)
[11:37] <Panzerboy> Knowerrors: yeah, even linus said it
[11:37] <Panzerboy> so IT MUST be true
[11:37] <glick> i need to buy a mouse
[11:37] <Knowerrors> you can use kde with just keyboard
[11:37] <Panzerboy> Puaff: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[11:37] <glick> yeah i know i have laptop with a mouse on it
[11:37] <Knowerrors> there are  hotkeys cusomization for sure
[11:37] <glick> but i need a real mouse
[11:37] <tictric_> glick: yep, it helps with kde
[11:37] <Puaff> I began with KDE after reading a post of someone talking about why to change to kde
[11:38] <glick> heh i have a dell inspiron 8200
[11:38] <Puaff> I became interested in KDE because of the technical part of kde
[11:38] <glick> its a portable desktop
[11:38] <glick> clunkiest and heaviest freakin laptop there is
[11:39] <Puaff> Panzerboy: ;)
[11:39] <stevenj> I installed kdevelop to learn programming; however, kdevelop c/c++ (IDE), etc does not start using menu.  Is there something missing? I installed with adept. I do not get any errors
[11:40] <glick> is kdevelop an IDE?
[11:40] <Puaff> glick: yes
[11:40] <Panzerboy> glick: some say so :)
[11:40] <stevenj> yes
[11:40] <glick> ugh im not a big IDE fan
[11:40] <Panzerboy> stevenj: try to launch it from the cli
[11:40] <stevenj> kdesigner will start
[11:40] <Panzerboy> glick: yeah, vim powah!
[11:40] <Puaff> glick: kdevelop is amazing
[11:40] <Panzerboy> :)
[11:40] <glick> also last time i used kdevelop it went down more often then a 2 dollar crack hoe
[11:41] <stevenj> Panzerboy is there anyway to fix the menu?
[11:41] <glick> Puaff, whats so great about kdevelop?
[11:41] <tuskernini> hi there all... how do i replace gnome with kde when i have ubuntu installed?
[11:41] <glick> tuskernini, apparently apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <Panzerboy> tuskernini: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <Panzerboy> but it won't replace gnome
[11:42] <tuskernini> glick, ok, i am bussy doing that.. so i hope it works.. it just changes the desktop hey?
[11:42] <Knowerrors> Anyone use this http://kidsquid.com/programs/ubuntu/firefox-1.5.0-0nonfree1_i386.tar.gz for FF 1.5?
[11:42] <Panzerboy> it will just add kde :)
[11:42] <glick> one feature that i wish they had in an ide
[11:42] <Panzerboy> stevenj: i have no idea, i don't have kdevelop installed yet
[11:42] <glick> when i create a new struct
[11:42] <tuskernini> thanx glick, panzerboy
[11:42] <glick> in c
[11:42] <glick> or a class in c++
[11:43] <Blippe> why install libakode2 instead of akode?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> stevenj: i have just finished installing kubuntu and i am upgrading to kde 3.5 now
[11:43] <glick> when i use that struct like Point pt; it would highlight the new data type
[11:43] <Puaff> glick: it is very integrated, it is very useful, I think it lacks of online api help facilities
[11:43] <Puaff> glick: like eclipse, netbeans, etc.
[11:43] <tuskernini> glick, when i install kubuntu-desktop, does it remove gnome-desktop?
[11:43] <tictric> tuskernini: no
[11:43] <Puaff> glick: it is like borland C++, do you remember?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> another 8 minutes to go :)
[11:44] <Panzerboy> eclipse is also good
[11:44] <glick> tuskernini, no
[11:44] <stevenj> tusk, I found that installing kubuntu (clean) is best
[11:44] <tuskernini> tictrick: thanx, so i will be able to choose?
[11:44] <glick> Puaff, yeah kina
[11:44] <Panzerboy> a guy that worked on kdevelop, alexander dymo, created some plugins for kde development for eclipse
[11:44] <Panzerboy> they looked kinda cool
[11:44] <Panzerboy> didn't try them though
[11:44] <tuskernini> stevenj, i still have to sort out data on the drive before doing that.. thanx
[11:44] <hugelmopf> tuskernini: yes, you will be able to choose on login
[11:45] <tictric> tuskernini: yep, but as stevenj pointed out there might some config difficulties but they are not very significant and can be fixed later on if you stay with kde
[11:45] <tuskernini> tictric: i chose kdm ... as default
[11:46] <tictric> tuskernini: that's not the point but if you are not a native english speaker you might have some trouble with locales
[11:47] <glick> it has been  a long time since i used a kde
[11:47] <glick> heh i mean an ide
[11:47] <tuskernini> tictrick, i do speak it well thanx, will play around with it anyway
[11:47] <Puaff> glick: why don't you like an ide? they are useful to develop
[11:48] <glick> Puaff, i dont know i just havent found any i really liked,
[11:48] <Puaff> glick: maybe the success of java is not java itself, but its ide
[11:50] <glick> i guess ill check it out
[11:50] <glick> i dont really do gui programming
[11:50] <glick> more systems programming
[11:50] <stevenj> kdevelop multilaunguage will start
[11:51] <Puaff> stevenj: do you know if online popup method help are going to be improved?
[11:53] <juif> hello channel, i am trying to get Ardour to run on kubuntu. so far, it tells me i need to open JACK, well, apparently JACK was installed when Ardour was, but its not to be found anywhere.
[11:53] <stevenj> I see-kdevel in kubuntu menu contains kdevelop not kdevelop3
[11:55] <tuskernini> woops, installed kubuntu-desktop, and logged out... and the pc hung on login.. had to do a hard boot... booting now
[11:56] <juif> also, since i installed ardour, my splash screen has been appearing only sometimes. other times a standard linux text scroll thing
[11:58] <tuskernini> ok, kubuntu login screen, but on startup... still looks like gnome... with kubuntu programs added...
[11:58] <Puaff> juif: I got the same, but I don't think it is important, in fact I would prefer to have only text screen
[11:59] <Panzerboy> so brb
[11:59] <Tm_T> tuskernini: err, you should choose KDE in login
[11:59] <Panzerboy> kde 3.5, here i come :)
[11:59] <stevenj> yes, that worked. :)
[11:59] <Tm_T> tuskernini: there's "sessions" or similar somewhere there, you still have gnome as "default"
[12:00] <tuskernini> Tm_T: i will look for it.. thanx
[12:00] <Tm_T> np
[12:02] <Puaff> tuskernini: do you want to have kdm as default login manager?
[12:02] <Tm_T> Puaff: he already has, as he said


[02:15] <foo> mybalzitch: 1TB, 4GB of RAM, intel core i3 CPU @ 2.10Ghz... is what this inspiron has. awesome.
[23:10] <jayjo> (asked this on #ubuntu) what are the best tools for monitoring disk usage on an ubuntu cluster? are there solutions available that do things like give both cluster info and per-host info? I'm on ec2, and I see some cloudwatch agents you can run in order to ship info to their service. Are there some good alternatives?
[23:42] <Zaliek> I'm working with a new install of ubuntu server 19.10 and for some reason setfacl isn't installed? Is there a reason it's not included anymore? Did it get replaced in favor of something else?


[04:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:59] <xangua> Good err midnight
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[05:04] <xangua> Hello
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> check your invite xangua :p
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> 114mb updates on bionic woot
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:21] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:21] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:21] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:22] <ducasse> good, thanks - and you?
[07:24] <lordievader> Doing good here 😆
[07:26] <ducasse> 22 package updates today...
[08:22] <lordievader> I'm having a nice problem with my initramfs. It fails to boot.
[08:22] <lordievader> Not really sure why yet. I think because systemd's rootprefix changed.
[08:22] <lordievader> Unfortunately no time to troubleshoot.
[08:24] <ducasse> what error do you get?
[08:25] <lordievader> That is the thing, I don't get any.
[08:25] <lordievader> At the point where it should ask for my luks password, it doesn't.
[08:26] <ducasse> hmm, odd.
[08:27] <lordievader> Yes,
[08:28] <lordievader> I think this is the cause: https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2017-07-16-systemd-rootprefix.html
[08:32] <ducasse> sounds possible, i've no idea how gentoo is typically set up
[12:41] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:50] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[12:50] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)  how are you doing?
[12:50] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[12:50] <lordievader> 👋
[12:51] <pauljw> good thanks.
[12:51] <pauljw> hi lordievader :)
[12:56] <lordievader> Hey pauljw
[12:57] <lordievader> What are you up to today?
[12:58] <pauljw> about 5'6"... :)  nothing going on here.  how about you?
[12:58] <oerheks> hey guys, Nuis got gold @ 1500 meter :-D
[13:14] <lordievader> pauljw: Playing with data 😁
[13:15] <pauljw> :D
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:54] <lordievader> :wave
[13:54] <lordievader> 👋*
[14:40] <pauljw> morning BluesKaj :)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw :-)
[15:02] <pauljw> :)
[16:21] <lotus-seagate> nacc: alive?
[16:22] <nacc> lotus-seagate: mostly
[16:22] <lotus-seagate> nacc: wich package should i bug against for an usb autosuspend bug?
[16:23] <lotus-seagate> nacc: scenario was this= clean install of xenial and seagate 1TB doesnt popup by default, had to disable usb autosuspend
[16:30] <nacc> lotus-seagate: probably linux
[16:30] <nacc> (kernel)
[16:30] <lotus-seagate> nacc: ok tnx mate
[16:30] <nacc> lotus-seagate: yw
[16:47] <lotus-seagate> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1749237


[00:00] <len-dt> licensed, is there a spare pci slot?
[00:00] <licensed> yes
[00:00] <len-dt> There should be lots of the old gameports around
[00:01] <len-dt> I have heard the firewire ones are good too.
[00:03] <len-dt> At this point, with my very narrow experience, that is all I know. I would ask on some of the irc channels and email lists like linux musicians or linux audio users.
[00:03] <len-dt> licensed, there are a lot more experienced people there.
[00:04] <licensed> i know hehehe i never work with sound before.. i want to start next month
[00:04] <len-dt> licensed, I would certainly like to know what experiences you have with whatever you end up with.
[00:28] <BA707> Hello All...   Where do I need to exec this command 'make M=snd-rtctimer', in order to create the module, under Ubu v10.04 LTS ?
[00:29] <BA707> This is for use with Rosegarden
[03:50] <BA7071> Hello fellow audiophiles...    I'm getting close to having a working Qsynth.  Can some point me to an ftp server where I can d/l a good Piano sf2 file ?
[03:50] <BA7071> Also like to get a 4-string Ibanez Bass sf2 file
[03:59] <BA7071> Anybody alive here ???
[05:25] <gprestonmotoX> yo
[05:26] <gprestonmotoX> anyone know if this will upgrade my 12.04 Ubuntu to Studio?
[05:26] <gprestonmotoX> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[13:54] <raven> hi
[13:54] <raven> GREAT disaster with audacity - after a crash the aup file is broken and the recovery only brings back the text track without the main audio track, the _data folder is empty - how to rescue the project?? is anywhere a history of all cuts i made for restoration??
[15:35] <mighty_aboba> hi
[15:35] <mighty_aboba> how can i turn off the jack-pulse bridging?
[15:40] <mighty_aboba> I meant delete
[15:41] <mighty_aboba> because PA makes problems to jack
[15:42] <mighty_aboba> in 11.10 ubuntu studio all was fine
[15:43] <mighty_aboba> Jack took all power
[15:44] <mighty_aboba> now it is the division between jack and PA
[15:45] <mighty_aboba> how can i do this like in US 11.10?
[15:54] <mighty_aboba> the kill of PA every time is not decision
[16:12] <ailo> mighty_aboba: You can just uninstall pulseaudio-module-jack
[16:13] <ailo> Should be enough to just restart pulseaudio after that
[16:36] <mighty_aboba> I hope it is help me
[16:36] <mighty_aboba> I hope it will help me*
[16:46] <mighty_aboba> yeah, now it's fine
[20:43] <raven> do you know about a limiter/compressor plugin what proceses audio special to equal loudness to ebu128 specification?
[21:04] <raven> audacity: which audio file format is able to handle text labels?
[22:12] <milk_> hi there
[22:13] <milk_> i just installed studio, very happy so far :) is there any way to improve the font rendering? iÄve got pretty much color fringing on my high contrast text
[22:32] <milk_snooze> happy to hear youre advice while i'm away getting some sleep :D
[22:37] <mt886> Hello! anyone available to answer questions?


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[05:53] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[12:22] <jbicha> could gtk4 be hinted to migrate to mantic? it already passed the libreoffice/s390x autopkgtest many times but britney doesn't like yesterday's failure from an infrastructure hiccup
[12:52] <ahasenack> shouldn't the #topic reflect the feature freeze state of mantic? I don't recall if we did that in the past, but it just occurred to me
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please have isa-support back on i386? texlive-binaries wants it
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 (lunar-proposed/restricted) [535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 (focal-proposed/restricted) [535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 (jammy-proposed/restricted) [535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[14:14] <falcojr> bdmurray: cloud-init SRU uploads have been queued for Focal, Jammy, and Lunar per #2033310 . Can you review so we can get them into proposed?
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 [sync] (focal-proposed) [535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 [sync] (lunar-proposed) [535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 [sync] (jammy-proposed) [535.104.05-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-remote-desktop (jammy-proposed/main) [42.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 42.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (focal-proposed/main) [0.104-0ubuntu2~20.04.2 => 0.104-0ubuntu2~20.04.3] (core)
[17:04] <jbicha> vorlon: could you review my request from earlier today here to ignore the libreoffice/s390x failure for gtk4/mantic?
[17:24] <vorlon> jbicha: checking
[17:28] <vorlon> jbicha: sure (though I see you have a re-triggered test in progress that should finish in an hour or so, which means you're only buying yourself an hour speed up?)
[17:32] <jbicha> I don't trust runtimes for libreoffice/s390x when the infrastructure is busy
[17:33] <vorlon> the s390x infrastructure isn't particularly busy, it's just unreliable wrt runner allocation
[17:33] <vorlon> anyway, hinted
[17:33] <jbicha> thanks
[17:34] <jbicha> the "running for" time is also inaccurate; I submitted the test last night
[17:37] <vorlon> running for is the time since it was dispatched
[17:37] <vorlon> of course that's going to be different from the submit-time when there's a backlog
[17:37] <jbicha> the times are odd, maybe because of all the subtests libreoffice runs
[17:45] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: how is texlive-binaries depending on sse2-support on i386 not a release-critical bug in Debian
[17:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: isa-support [i386] (mantic-release/universe) [20] (i386-whitelist)
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed liblist-someutils-perl from i386-whitelist in mantic
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed libstrictures-perl from i386-whitelist in mantic
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added isa-support to i386-whitelist in mantic
[18:56] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, tbh in git, they removed it again with a new package
[18:57] <LocutusOfBorg> https://github.com/debian-tex/texlive-bin/commit/582e06beb836af9b49579bd5159a503b050c9e1b
[18:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 582e06b in debian-tex/texlive-bin "SSE2 split, next try."
[18:57] <LocutusOfBorg> we might want to sync, and exclude that specific binary from main?
[19:39] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: that looks like the right thing to do (ultimately); we wouldn't need to exclude it from main tho as it's only a suggests:
[21:46] <vorlon> jbicha: right, libreoffice/s390x is hitting the problem that if there are a large number of distinct autopkgtests, and dispatching a runner for any one of those tests fails, the whole thing has to be restarted


[00:14] <wrst> no i got it from amazon they had it at that price and newegg was more expensive just 3 days ago
[00:14] <wrst> but got it for 99.99 there
[00:16] <chris4585> ah
[10:46] <Juzzy> http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/


[13:59] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[14:00] <ricotz> do you have plans to update vala?
[14:02] <jbicha> I guess I should
[14:02] <jbicha> vala 0.38 is blocked on https://github.com/radare/valabind/issues/43
[14:04] <ricotz> I see, of course I am not so keen about dealing with that one
[14:04] <ricotz> I am about to do some new releases
[14:06] <jbicha> like this week?
[14:06] <ricotz> the codegen api won't get public again without good reasons and valabind is not
[14:06] <ricotz> like right now
[14:07] <ricotz> 0.39.2 is already there
[14:07] <jbicha> ok, I'm not planning to do vala srus, just unstable & bionic
[14:08] <ricotz> I guess you will have to choose between 0.38.4 and 0.39.2
[14:09] <jbicha> too early for 0.39 and it won't help with valabind
[14:10] <jbicha> I'll upload vala 0.38 to experimental again once I finish the tedious debian/copyright update
[14:13] <ricotz> alright, thank you!
[14:18] <jbicha> valabind has 1 reverse build-dependency, radare2, so unless you convince Sebastien Reichel to drop the packages from Debian, vala 0.38 will be stuck in experimental
[14:55] <ricotz> jbicha, the easiest for you would be to pick up 0.36.8
[15:03] <jbicha> ok
[16:27] <ricotz> thanks
[17:21] <jbicha> vala 0.36.8 uploaded
[20:20] <jbicha> ricotz: ok, vala 0.38.4 uploaded to NEW queue for experimental
[21:06] <ricotz> jbicha, :)


[03:58]  * chesedo silently waves a greeting
[05:05] <Kilos> morning everbody
[06:05] <thatgraemeguy> morning peeps
[06:17] <dlPhreak> Morning
[06:17] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak
[06:17] <Kilos> hi there thatgraemeguy
[06:18] <dlPhreak> Kilos, thatgraemeguy
[06:19] <dlPhreak> How are you all doing?
[06:19] <Kilos> well ty and you?
[06:20] <dlPhreak> Still sleepy, haven't had coffee yet.
[06:20] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <unlaudable> morning...
[06:52] <unlaudable> so.... http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/02/zfs-is-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-1604.html
[06:52] <superfly> morning
[06:53] <superfly> i saw
[06:53] <unlaudable> happy sad?
[06:54] <superfly> neither to me, I know of ZFS's reputation, but I have no experience with it
[06:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:56] <inetpro> Kilos: 11mm
[06:56] <superfly> unlaudable: I know that the reason it's not included in the kernel by default is licensing issues
[06:57] <superfly> unlaudable: Canonical seems to think that there are none, but others disagree
[06:57] <inetpro> that licensing has been messy indeed
[07:15] <unlaudable> I thought this was interesting... http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8130489&cid=50676937
[07:15] <unlaudable> see the reply... 3rd comment
[07:16] <unlaudable> well that whole thread... unhide
[07:20] <unlaudable> lots of bleeting on slashdot about we should rally around zfs/btrfs, btrfs/zfs development is stagnant, btrfs/zfs has x feature the other doesnt, btrfs lost my data (no one complained about zfs losing data :D)
[07:26] <unlaudable> ok I lie found someone complaining about zfs corrupting there data... but what a weird setup...
[07:39] <unlaudable> this also makes me want to side with ZFS... http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8130489&cid=50675531
[07:41] <unlaudable> also this... http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8130489&cid=50674623
[07:41] <Kilos> inetpro 20mm ek wen die keer ne
[07:43] <Kilos> inetpro got an sms with clearance ref number
[07:43] <Kilos> yay
[08:16] <superfly> "But as you said in your comment that it's "rapidly getting there". That's been the story since day one. And it's not got there. Not even close."
[08:16] <superfly> That's how I feel about Wayland.
[08:16] <superfly> Mir is already out there. Where's Wayland?
[08:17] <superfly> I'm no fan of exactly how the Mir debacle played out, especially not Canonical's attitude, but the reality is that they actually have working code out there.
[09:40] <unlaudable> Wayland is just the protocol though right?
[09:40] <unlaudable> so its up to gnome and kde to just tart using it?
[09:40] <unlaudable> start even
[10:11]  * Padroni waves
[10:11] <Padroni> hi thatgraemeguy
[10:11] <Padroni> long time
[10:25] <Kilos> hi oad
[10:26] <Kilos> Padroni
[10:26] <Kilos> dunno what happened there
[10:27] <Kilos> min dae yet Padroni
[10:27] <Kilos> ?
[10:31] <Padroni> hi Kilos
[10:31] <Padroni> yeah - min dae
[10:31] <Padroni> 2 - 6 weeks
[10:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:31] <Kilos> how can it be 2 to 6
[10:32] <superfly> unlaudable: negative, Wayland is a display server
[10:32] <Kilos> hi qwebirc14648
[10:32] <Kilos> hi tailon
[10:32] <tailon> howdy
[10:33] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:33] <tailon> TA
[10:33] <Kilos> if you need help withj something just explain what you are battling with
[10:34] <Kilos> someone will have a cure
[10:35] <tailon> thankfully no issues , just poking around . See whats what
[10:35] <Padroni> it's either 2 more weeks, or 6 more weeks
[10:35] <Padroni> hi tailon
[10:37] <superfly> unlaudable: the reality is that both Gnome and KDE already support Wayland. It's just that Wayland doesn't work.
[10:40] <unlaudable> ... ok...
[10:41] <unlaudable> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2uc3gx/when_well_wayland_finally_replace_x_as_a_default/co722j6
[10:41] <unlaudable> "Wayland is a protocol for a compositor to talk to its clients as well as a C library implementation of that protocol."
[10:41] <unlaudable> from https://wayland.freedesktop.org/
[10:42] <unlaudable> just throwing that out there, I'm no expert by any means...
[10:42] <unlaudable> its all rather confusing...
[10:44] <superfly> unlaudable: yes, it's technically BOTH
[10:47] <unlaudable> I think the issue is all X apps need to support it... thats going to take a looong time
[10:47] <unlaudable> as in X apps need to rewritten to support it... maybe?
[10:51] <unlaudable> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux-WCpNvRFM
[18:07] <Kilos> storming, power cut once already
[18:33] <Kilos> wb superfly
[18:34] <superfly> thanks Kilos
 Kilos: kudos to your team!
[18:48] <Kilos> superfly thats for your 2 sites
[18:49] <Kilos> that comment was from the xubuntu dev guys
[18:49] <Kilos> x or l , i get mixed up
[18:49] <inetpro> what did we do wrong oom Kilos
[18:49] <inetpro> good mornings
[18:49] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:50] <Kilos> wrong?
[18:50] <inetpro> or is it, what do they want from us?
[18:50] <inetpro> :-)
[18:50] <Kilos> you guys made sites too cool i spose
[18:50] <Kilos> no man
[18:50] <Kilos> one was looking at static site generators so i told him try nikola
[18:51] <inetpro> 7mm here
[18:51] <Kilos> he said why do i like it so i showed or sites
[18:51] <Kilos> i havent checked
[18:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:25] <superfly> hey, cal_py. Just some IRC etiquette: if you want to PM (private message) someone, generally it's regarded as bad form if you PM them without asking first.
[19:25] <superfly> cal_py: also, as an aside, sometimes if you're looking for help with something, the channel might benefit from it too
[19:27] <cal_py> apologies  i guess.
[20:54] <superfly> hi cal_py, have you ever used Telegram?
[20:59] <cal_py> Yeah superfly, looks like a good app
[21:00] <superfly> OK, might come back to that later. What where you wanting earlier?
[21:04] <superfly> cal_py: how can I help?
[21:06] <cal_py> just wanted to chat about python is all, no real agenda
[21:55] <superfly> cal_py: sorry, I'm busy with a dozen things here this evening :-( ask me again tomorrow? I'd be glad to help you.


[03:12] <Fudge> hi all, trying to get a friends usb c-media dongle to work on his ubuntu-server so he can have his screen reader work,  espeakup. but i keep getting a message saying  alsactl: load_state:1763Cannot find soundcard '-'...
[03:12] <Fudge> alsactl init fiinds the card, lsusb shows it and on a desktop cd there is sound.
[03:31] <Fudge> think found the problem, at bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and set the usb soundcard to device 0 instead of -2
[07:35] <e66> In our ubuntu server sometimes a package some-pkg can not be installed due to network issue or "no installation candidate" error.  Now if I just download the .deb and manually install it by dpkg -i some-pkg….deb, will it install same as it would have been installed by apt-get ?
[08:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:21] <pukeko_2> anyone here good with PERC 5/i raid cards ?
[09:25] <pukeko_2> Dell 2950 running ubuntu
[14:56] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help, my postfix says it is now down but seems to be running. mail is just going in the queue and not being delivered!
[15:19] <jonah> I'm getting this in mail.err log: postfix/master[25638]: fatal: bind x.x.x.x.x port 25: Cannot assign requested address
[17:50] <anirban> Hi guys, do I have to add the user tomcat7 to any specific group for tomcat7 being able to write to sockets listening locally?
[18:33] <bekks> anirban: No. It just needs to have write permissions. Which socket do you talk about specifically, and which permissions are set on that socket?
[18:34] <anirban> I am using java to create the socket.
[18:34] <anirban> I don't have any idea how to change the permissions of a socket created by java.
[18:34] <anirban> It's a TCP/IP socket.
[18:36] <bekks> So its not even existing in the filesystem, since it is a network socket.
[18:36] <anirban> Yeah.
[20:29] <Billy21> hello
[20:30] <Billy21> i am not new to linux but new enough to create problems for myself
[20:30] <Billy21> I have recently setup a server ubuntu server on my network and it is crashing
[20:30] <Billy21> and i would like to find out why
[20:31] <lordievader> Crashing how?
[20:31] <Billy21> i think it is a disc failure
[20:31] <lordievader> Check the smart values.
[20:31] <Billy21> but I am not 100% sure
[20:31] <Billy21> how?
[20:32] <Billy21> should i know what smart values are?
[20:32] <lordievader> Billy21: Is the package 'smartmontools' installed?
[20:33] <Billy21> hmm... nope
[20:33] <lordievader> Harddisks measure how healthy they are themselves, this is called the SMART data.
[20:34] <lordievader> Install that and run 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sd*' where * should be replaced with the letter for each drive.
[20:34] <Billy21> ok
[20:37] <Billy21> can i apt-get that ?
[20:37] <lordievader> Yes. sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[20:37] <Billy21> or do i need to wget and then install the packages
[20:37] <lordievader> You rarely need to wget things.
[20:38] <Billy21> thank you
[20:39] <Billy21> also is there a cheat sheet for ubuntu server commands?
[20:42] <lordievader> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[20:42] <Billy21> thank you
[20:44] <Billy21> sorry... how do i list my drives?
[20:44] <Billy21> i have 4 drives
[20:44] <Billy21> one has m$ on it and two are raid
[20:45] <Billy21> i need to see if the raid is failing or if it is my ubuntu os drive
[20:47] <lordievader> All drives are listed in /dev as sda, sdb, etc. Run the smartctl command on all of them.
[20:47] <Billy21> ok
[20:47] <lordievader> Points of interest are the reallocated and pending sector counts. And the raw-read errors.
[20:47] <lordievader> Those should all be zero.
[20:50] <Billy21> is sda and sda1 the same?
[20:50] <lordievader> No, sda1 is partition one on sda.
[20:50]  * lordievader movie time
[20:51] <Billy21> which movie?
[20:51] <Billy21> SMART Disabled. Use option -s with argument 'on' to enable it.
[20:51] <Billy21> (override with '-T permissive' option)
[20:52] <Billy21> Read SMART Error Log failed: scsi error aborted command
[20:52] <Billy21> Read SMART Self-test Log failed: scsi error aborted command
[20:52] <Billy21> Read SMART Selective Self-test Log failed: scsi error aborted command
[20:53] <Billy21> i shouldn't have a bought i cheap disc
[21:09] <Billy21> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   114   085   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       72531505
[21:09] <Billy21> is that bad?
[21:14] <rsx> in https://lime-technology.com/wiki/index.php/Understanding_SMART_Reports you'll find "PLEASE completely ignore the RAW_VALUE number!"
[21:14] <Billy21> thank you
[21:26] <Billy21> thanks again for that
[21:28] <Billy21> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
[21:28] <Billy21>   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   081   067   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       129345976
[21:28] <Billy21>   3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   099   099   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
[21:28] <Billy21>   4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       5
[21:28] <Billy21>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
[21:28] <Billy21>   7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   061   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       1553844
[21:28] <Billy21>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       259
[21:28] <Billy21>  10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
[21:29] <Billy21> is there a way to fix that stuff?
[21:31] <Billy21> the two drive that could be the issue are in my raid
[21:44] <bekks> Billy21: If the drive has issues with seeking blocks, its about to fail. You can fix it by replacing that drive.
[22:03] <lordievader> Billy21: That raw read error doesn't look good. Time for a new drive, I'd say.