[10:48] <MojOrow_> ok i should have clarified that
[10:48] <johnny> and certainly farther than the word software would make you think..
[10:49] <MojOrow_> i mean what is dangerous to try right now if i dont know to mucha bout it
[10:49] <ccooke> as to bash... well, try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3592
[10:49] <johnny> they are all about the same :)
[10:50] <topyli> MojOrow_: first thing is to get everything working. after that, back up your configuration and data. then, hack away!
[10:50] <grant> Can anyone please help me in finding drivers? eg Intel 955 chipset drivers
[10:50] <nnonix> Moj0row_: $2 hookers. They are very dangerous.
[10:50] <topyli> MojOrow_: and make a backup plan
[10:50] <kevix> MojOrow_: loging in as root too often (and then using rm -rf)
[10:51] <Myrtti> http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/05-10-25.png
[10:51] <MojOrow_> thanx for the help guys
[10:51] <twibbler> good morning all ....
[10:51] <amarock> moin
[10:51] <MojOrow_> right now i need rto go and buy some energy because i havent slept tonight as of yet
[10:51] <johnny> i'm trying to write a lil daemon  that reads from a serial port and updates a database , trying to pick the language
[10:51] <MojOrow_> so i;ll be back when i have gotten some pop
[10:52] <johnny> not sure if i'm gonna try to pickup python, ruby, or c# ..
[10:53] <kevix> MojOrow_: oh yea! dont do any thing that affects a critical system if you are sleepy or drunk!
[10:53] <twibbler> And now for the Ubuntu Breezy ?. Toshiba Laptop. I need to switch screen modes, for projector use. I can boot up viewing the projector or screen . How do I activate the hot key switch ?.
[10:53] <MojOrow_> ok lol
[10:53] <kevix> johnny: there should be some short C programs on the net for simple serial port reads
[10:53] <topyli> Myrtti: what's that showing the ampparit headlines? a gdesklet?
[10:54] <johnny> C doesn't really do anything for me ..
[10:54] <johnny> i prefer interpretive languages for the most part..
[10:54] <Myrtti> topyli: yup. LTRSSgrap modified a bit
[10:54] <Myrtti> grab, even
[10:55] <johnny> altho... C# and java have alot of play out there.. so i might bite the bullet..
[10:55] <johnny> don't really see a reason to learn anymore C than i know now.. just enough to fix some kernel patches..
[10:55] <topyli> Myrtti: i have to take a look. they update too often for any other method :)
[10:55] <johnny> hmm.. that remnids me.. i have to figure out what's wrong with my USB device.. seems to cause problems on input
[10:55] <topyli> johnny: C is what makes unix systems though
[10:56] <Myrtti> also xmltv-gdesklet is modified.
[10:56] <johnny> historically yes.
[10:56] <johnny> most the apps i use on a day to day.. are not written in C..
[10:56] <johnny> they are usually written in python or C# .. and then bound to some sort of C library
[10:56] <topyli> Myrtti: modified how? patched, or some configuration-fu?
[10:57] <johnny> like gtk+  ..
[10:57] <kevix> twibbler: toshset or toshutils
[10:57] <johnny> that way i don't have to worry about the memory management issues myself ..
[10:57] <twibbler> kevix: thanks....
[10:59] <Myrtti> topyli: I just edited some stuff out from the source
[10:59] <kevix> twibbler: if you google, there is a toshiba linux mailing list (i'm on it)
[10:59] <twibbler> kevix: will google
[11:00] <topyli> Myrtti: ok, thanks for the hint. i just might make my desktop the ultimate news portal
[11:03] <twibbler> kevix: Required kernel toshiba support not enabled ?.
[11:04] <kevix> twibbler: 'sudo modprobe toshiba' may do it.
[11:04] <heatxsink> anyone in here successfully used a em8300 decoder card and xine together in ubuntu?
[11:05] <twibbler> kevix: nope fatl error inserting toshiba toshiba.ko ... hum looks like its going to be fun ...
[11:06] <seb29> english irc ?
[11:06] <kevix> heatxsink: that needs some special source only kernel drivers?
[11:07] <kevix> seb29: yes.
[11:08] <heatxsink> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10543
[11:09] <Quarupted> theres Ubuntu for PPC?
[11:09] <kevix> topyli: does ubuntu have 'module-assistant'? if so, which repo?
[11:09] <nalioth> Quarupted: yes. many of us use it
[11:10] <Quarupted> wow
[11:10] <Quarupted> whats wrong with OSX?
[11:10] <nalioth> Quarupted: that is a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:10] <Quarupted> lol
[11:10] <Quarupted> no one is ever in there
[11:11] <nalioth> Quarupted: i'll be more than happy to answer that one in there
[11:11] <Quarupted> k
[11:11] <topyli> kevix: apt-cache finds it immediately, it's in universe
[11:11] <kevix> Quarupted: yes. the breezy has a livecd for ppc.
[11:11] <topyli> whatever it is :)
[11:11] <Quarupted> thats cool
[11:13] <kevix> topyli: I was asking in reference to the em8300 kernel driver
[11:13] <Muiske> Ok. I'm having problems with equake, and now xmms as well. I think it's because of the nvidia drivers (strace shows it locks up at an nvidia related point)... anyone know what I could or should do?
[11:13] <amarock> how should i checkinstall....as normal user or sudo?
[11:13] <kevix> topyli: it automates making source-only kernel drivers
[11:14] <kevix> amarock: its always safer to try normal user first.
[11:14] <amarock> kevix: ok
[11:17] <madsen> You know that thing, when you look directly at the sun or into a light, you can, like, see that spot of light with the eyes closed...
[11:17] <madsen> I've got that with the google logo now...
[11:17] <kevix> madsen: DONT DO THAT!
[11:18] <madsen> kevix: How the heck am I then supposed to find any solution to my broken Mono install?
[11:18] <amarock> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.
[11:18] <agt> Why does XMMS get installed when I install mplayer ? :[
[11:19] <amarock> dependency stuff u see......
[11:19] <kevix> madsen: ok. I was refering to looking at the sun! as for mono, ask on #mono or look in the pkg-mono-devel list
[11:19] <amarock> i cant compile kaffeiene.........checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.
[11:20] <madsen> kevix: You didn't see what I wrote just after that thing with the sun?
[11:21] <kevix> madsen: google is everwhere. you cant get rid of google. I've got google-on-the-brain!
[11:21] <madsen> kevix: hehe
[11:21] <kevix> madsen: although, now I have my own google, beagle!
[11:22] <madsen> kevix: Yeah, once I get Mono working I'll have that too... And Banshee... And monodoc...
[11:22] <joachim_> what's the "right way" to say that dialog boxes are showing up as main windows? I want to file a bug on gnome-app-inst
[11:22] <alexissoft> hi
[11:23] <madsen> joachim_: I think "normal windows" is just fine... Or maybe 'non-modal', but I'm not so sure about that...
[11:23] <joachim_> ok thanks
[11:24] <kevix> joachim_: you mean if you have 3 desktops and the dialog only goes to #1?
[11:24] <joachim_> nope
[11:24] <joachim_> I mean they show in the window list
[11:26] <kevix> joachim_: ok. do you mean the window list shows windows on other desktops.
[11:26] <ubuntuguy> anyone: is there an unrar utility for ubuntu?
[11:26] <madsen> ubuntuguy: unrar-nonfree (I think)
[11:27] <kevix> ubuntuguy: should be'aapt-get install unrar or unrar-nonfree'
[11:27] <joachim_> kevix, no. I mean do Help -> About. The about dialog gets a button in the window list. It shouldn't
[11:27] <madsen> kevix: actually, 'sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree' ;)
[11:27] <madsen> ubuntuguy: --^
[11:28] <kevix> madsen: I have debian and ubuntu. I'm on debian at the moment. so I didn't know if you had both.
[11:28] <ubuntuguy> thank you
[11:29] <madsen> kevix: huh? who? what? where?
[11:30] <amarock> i cant compile kaffeiene.........checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.
[11:30] <kevix> madsen:  you said 'unrar-nonfree'. I know that you need 'sudo' but I forgot that U needs it.
[11:31] <madsen> kevix: Oh, unrar-free is there too, but I think nonfree supports more versions.
[11:31] <dave> hey
[11:31] <ubuntuguy> there is an unrar-free and unrar-nonfree, which .... oh nonfree supports more versions?
[11:32] <nalioth> yes it does
[11:32] <dave> hi guys... i got a prob with my battery charge monitor on breezy... anyone feel like helping me out?
[11:32] <kevix> amarock: you may need 'xlibs-dev'
[11:33] <dave> im stuck on 61% battery level
[11:33] <dave> says 13hrs 57mis till fully charged
[11:33] <dave> (im plugged in)
[11:33] <aftertaf> dave:  dead batery?
[11:34] <dave> nah, battery works fine in windows
[11:34] <dave> only thing i can see is in my system log:
[11:34] <dave> localhost battery-stats-collector[8763] : apm_read failed with error code 1
[11:34] <dave> not sure if its related
[11:35] <dave> (i have apmd installed, it's a fresh breezy install)
[11:35] <kevix> dave: do you know if your lappy needs apm or acpi?
[11:35] <CarlFK> HP Deskjet 812C - how do I do the cartridge cleaning thing?
[11:35] <dave> no idea
[11:36] <dave> but in hoary it worked fine
[11:36] <dave> on the same laptop
[11:36] <dave> i didnt apt-get... completely new hard drive (old one corrupted) and a fresh install of breezy... and no go
[11:36] <madsen> what does the 'p' at the beginning of a line in the output from 'dpkg -l' mean?
[11:37] <Belutz> what are the alternative login managers instead of gdm and kdm?
[11:37] <madsen> Belutz: xdm
[11:37] <Belutz> madsen, thanks :)
[11:38] <madsen> Belutz: It's not very slick though - but hey, it works. :)
[11:38] <MojOrow_> i;m bak
[11:38] <MojOrow_> how do you tell how much space is left on a ard drive?
[11:38] <Belutz> madsen, i'm trying to make the lightest ubuntu :D
[11:38] <kevix> CarlFK: djtools may help.
[11:38] <madsen> MojOrow_: df -h
[11:38] <CarlFK> thanks
[11:38] <madsen> dell500: Oh! :) Nice!
[11:39] <kevix> madsen: purged
[11:39] <kevix> Belutz: I like wdm !
[11:39] <madsen> kevix: So ^pi means "purged and installed"... (?)
[11:39] <rysiek> hi all
[11:39] <rysiek> does anybody know how and in which program can I view a film WITH subtitles from a text file?
[11:39] <Belutz> kewvix, wdm? i'll try that also
[11:40] <madsen> rysiek: vlc, mplayer - probably xine too.
[11:40] <dbug> any idea when xubuntu cd released ?
[11:40] <shinu> if someone is on my wifi network, is it normal i cant ping them?
[11:40] <nevyn> xubuntu?
[11:40] <dbug> ubuntu + xfce
[11:40] <nevyn> shinu: depends on a bunch of stuff..
[11:41] <rysiek> madsen: thx, trying
[11:41] <kevix> madsen: if you look at the first 3 lines of 'dpkg -l' it says  'desired state, current state'
[11:41] <nevyn> shinu: not least of which is if they're running a broken firewall or not
[11:41] <amarock> anyone tried vlc player?
[11:41] <nevyn> anyone who blocks ICMP is breaking a fundamental part of the internet (mtu path discovery)
[11:42] <shinu> nevyn: they are running a windows xp so i guess they might have win fw on
[11:42] <madsen> kevix: Huh? So ^pi means desired: purged, current state: installed... (!?!)
[11:42] <MojOrow_> madsen, thanx
[11:42] <madsen> MojOrow_: np :)
[11:42] <kevix> rysiek: what do you mean 'from a text file'
[11:42] <shinu> nevyn: i tried to do an nmap -sS 192.168.0.* but the person doesnt come up
[11:42] <madsen> kevix: it's at dbus and hal!
[11:43] <madsen> kevix: Well, reinstalling them helped...
[11:43] <CarlK> kevix, after apt-get install djtools, where do I find it?
[11:43] <rixth> Okay, I know it is possible to use Shockwave on Linux but can't remember where to get the package?
[11:43] <MojOrow_> which is better for large amounts of data rzip or 7zip
[11:44] <fraser> can someone tell me why after i upgraded to breezy Xchat IRC will simply not open? it gives me the server screen but nothing more
[11:44] <kevix> madsen: you can reinstall them
[11:44] <madsen> MojOrow_: Depends on the data...
[11:44] <madsen> kevix: Yeah, I did that. :)
[11:44] <amarock> bye all....lunch time
[11:44] <MojOrow_> madsen, tel me more if you can
[11:45] <MojOrow_> madsen,  and i amtalking multi gig
[11:45] <rysiek> kevix:
[11:45] <tsw> Hi, Im having problems with ati X550 PCI-e card (on amd64). I installed drivers from ati but it wont work without ChipID override (now working with 0x5B60) but is slow.. any ideas?
[11:45] <kevix> CarlK: well 'grep bin /var/lib/dpkg/info/djtools.list' may give a clue
[11:45] <Belutz> how do i restore dissapeared panel in xfce4 ?
[11:45] <rysiek> kevix: say, I have an XVid copy of my DVD
[11:45] <madsen> MojOrow_: So, not a lot of plain txt I assume...
[11:45] <brownie17> is it just me, or after updating to breezy then connect and close buttons on Xchat IRC are swapped?
[11:45] <rysiek> kevix: but it's a foreign fil and I want to have subtitles
[11:45] <madsen> MojOrow_: Well, usually music and video is already compressed, so it's very little you gain by trying to compress them more...
[11:45] <MojOrow_> madsen, no not really
[11:46] <MojOrow_> what if they are dvd rips
[11:46] <madsen> MojOrow_: I'd say just 'tar' it up.
[11:46] <dbug> Belutz, restart session
[11:46] <MojOrow_> madsen, what if they are dvd rips
[11:46] <rysiek> kevix: there are webpages out there, where you can find text files, appropriately formatted, that with a suitable player will work as subtitles for a film
[11:46] <nalioth> brownie17: i think you've been drinking ;)
[11:46] <madsen> MojOrow_: lol! You mean, hypothetically? :-p
[11:46] <Belutz> dbug, ok
[11:47] <topyli> scientific curiosity
[11:47] <p0windah> ripping your own dvds for personal use is legal
[11:47] <madsen> MojOrow_: Well, I don't think you'd really gain very much from compressing them... You can always try with a single one first and see what you gain.
[11:47] <MojOrow_> a famil member died and i enherited their media collection
[11:47] <madsen> p0windah: Sure...
[11:47] <p0windah> madsen: I do
[11:47] <kevix> rysiek: can this file format have subtitles? I ususally use xine
[11:47] <MojOrow_> madsen,  a family member died and i enharited their media collection
[11:47] <MojOrow_> madsen,  i am trying to archive it
[11:47] <nalioth> p0windah: MojOrow_ legalities belong in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:48] <madsen> MojOrow_: Oh, I'm sorry. :(
[11:48] <MojOrow_> madsen, because my dvde player is my compy
[11:48] <aftertaf> MojOrow_:  use mencoder...
[11:48] <moimoctoc> \q
[11:48] <madsen> MojOrow_: Yeah, you could encode it... But that'd take quite a while...
[11:48] <madsen> MojOrow_: They're raw dvd rips?
[11:48] <moimoctoc> \quit
[11:49] <MojOrow_> yeah i is currently taking 3 hours amovie
[11:49] <madsen> moimoctoc: Try: /quit ;)
[11:49] <p0windah> heh
[11:49] <kevix> rysiek: oh, now I get it. the text files contain the subtitle for the movie.
[11:49] <MojOrow_> and it takes about and hour to rip it
[11:49] <MojOrow_> so at 5 movies a day it;s quite a hassle
[11:49] <aftertaf> MojOrow_:  it aint a fast business...
[11:49] <sigwada> how could i upgrade to ubuntu 5.10 coz im using 4.10 and i dont have a installation cd?
[11:49] <aftertaf> sigwada:  change your repositories and update....
[11:49] <p0windah> sigwada: you can do it over the internet easily enough
[11:50] <aftertaf> !tell sigwada about upgrade
[11:50] <MojOrow_> thats why i am just ripping them right nwo and thinking to compresds them so that i can batch encode later
[11:50] <highvoltage> sigwada: press alt+f2, then type in "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:50] <gnomefreak> sigwada type /topic theres a link there that explains it very well
[11:50] <highvoltage> then, change all the warty 's to breezy
[11:50] <kevix> sigwada: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to 'breezy'
[11:50] <highvoltage> then "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" from commant line
[11:51] <MojOrow_> basically so that i can do the batch encoding in batches
[11:51] <gnomefreak> comment out the backports or erase them
[11:51] <kevix> sigwada: but then you have to do 'sudo apt-get update'
[11:51] <Fanskapet> ahh there is a LiveCD for Zeta R1.1 available for download now :)
[11:52] <topyli> MojOrow_: good idea. you can leave mencoder crunching away with the movies at nights
[11:52] <Antioch> Can anyone give me a hand? Just a little snafu with a new icon set's icons not being displayed correctly...   http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81321
[11:52] <MojOrow_> thats why i am moving them to my lin box
[11:52] <MojOrow_> if ou read  up above it;ll say a little info about it
[11:53] <eliphas_> hello I am installing vmplayer and I got a question
[11:53] <eliphas_> export CC=gcc-3.4
[11:53] <eliphas_> oops
[11:53] <MojOrow_> right now i am wondering what i should do about compression do yo have any sggestions madsen
[11:53] <eliphas_> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[11:53] <eliphas_> kernel?
[11:53] <eliphas_> where is that ?
[11:54] <crimsun> eliphas_: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:54] <madsen> Antioch: I don't think you actually can change that - unless you hack firefox...
[11:54] <crimsun> eliphas_: which will give you /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[11:54] <p0windah> MojOrow_: check out doom9.net, but as was mentioned earlier.... #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:55] <kevix> eliphas_: /usr/src/kernel-header*
[11:55] <crimsun> kevix: we don't use kernel-headers*
[11:55] <Antioch> madsen well what about gnome-terminal?
[11:55] <eliphas_> oh thanks guys
[11:56] <madsen> Antioch: I don't think so - it's built into the programs afaik...
[11:56] <madsen> Antioch: So, if you get the source, change it a bit and compile, then I think you'll be able to...
[11:56] <Antioch> madsen haha, gotcha... thanks =)
[11:56] <madsen> Antioch: np. :) Sorry I couldn't help you actually fix it. :-/
[11:57] <jtan325> hi, i've got a dell inspiron 8500, and would like to get a dual-head setup with my 20.1" lcd of the same resolution...
[11:57] <jtan325> any good tutorials on how to do this?
[11:58] <Alchemist_> jtan - which video card?
[11:58] <jtan325> nvidia 4200 go
[11:58] <jtan325> 64 mb of memory
[11:58] <jtan325> graphics, that is
[11:58] <eliphas_> my usr/src/ has only a rpm directory
[11:58] <Alchemist_> jtan - http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=176&p_created=1101836843&p_sid=RekL2VSh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NTgmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfZm5sJnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9bGludXg*&p_li=&p_topview=1
[11:58] <crimsun> eliphas_: you have to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:59] <p0windah> nilink jtan325
[11:59] <eliphas_> i have to
[11:59] <eliphas_> okie do
[11:59] <gnomefreak> :( rpms
[11:59] <jtan325> thanks Alchemist_ but i think i want the twinview
[11:59] <jtan325> where i can drag windows between both screens
[11:59] <jtan325> (if possible)
[12:00] <kevix> eliphas_: does 'dpkg -l |grep headers' show anything kernel related?
[12:00] <Alchemist_> jtan - the nvidia site also has faq on twinview
[12:00] <Alchemist_> jtan - I find dual head nicer
[12:00] <p0windah> jtan325: its possible, but not documented very well unfortunately. you will have to read around a couple of linux sites and play around with your config files by hand a little
[12:00] <madsen> Mmm...
[12:01] <jtan325> so maybe i don't really understand what dual-head means
[12:01] <jtan325> if each screen is its own X screen
[12:01] <jtan325> you can't drag windows between them, correct?
[12:01] <ccooke> that's correct
[12:01] <gnomefreak> jtan325,  no
[12:01] <Alchemist_> dual head lets you have two seperate X screens - you cant drag - but you can launch apps to specific screens
[12:02] <kevix> jtan325: google xinerama
[12:02] <eliphas_>  dpkg -l |grep headers
[12:02] <eliphas_> ii  comerr-dev                            2.1-1.38-2ubuntu1                    c
[12:02] <eliphas_> etc... etc ....
[12:02] <brownie17> can someone tell me where tthe grub config file is stored please?
[12:02] <eliphas_> kevix, yes
[12:02] <gnomefreak> jtan325,  if im not mistaken the purpose is kinda like the different work spaces you have now only you can see both at same time
[12:02] <crimsun> brownie17: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:02] <Alchemist_> brownie17 - on your boot partition - you probably need to mount it first
[12:02] <kevix> !xinerama
[12:03] <ubotu> kevix: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:03] <jtan325> hmmm
[12:03] <jamieter> hi all, need some help, im a complete newbie but totally keen on linux and open source, got ubuntu 5.04 and downloaded open office 2, please can someone help me on installing it
[12:03] <johnsie2k> hi... what package do i need installed to "make"  something?
[12:03] <kevix> eliphas_: so you dont have linux-headers or kernel-headers package ?
[12:04] <crimsun> it's linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:04] <crimsun> explicitly
[12:04] <crimsun> don't change the $()
[12:04] <p0windah> jtan325: you can drag between them
[12:04] <jtan325> yea i'm looking into this stuff
[12:04] <jtan325> thanks guys
[12:05] <kevix> johnsie2k: 'sudo apt-get install kernel-package' will do it (and other cool stuff)
[12:05] <jtan325> hopefully i don't fux0r my xconfig
[12:05] <gnomefreak> jamieter, not sure how to install oo2 on hoary it comes with breezy tho :)
[12:05] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - yeah back it up first :-)
[12:05] <johnsie2k> thanks
[12:05] <jtan325> lol of course
[12:05] <p0windah> jtan325: its called "spanned mode"
[12:05] <p0windah> jtan325: where desktop 1 will be both your lcd's
[12:06] <eliphas_> kevix, ii  linux-kernel-headers                  <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu13                   Linux Kernel Headers for development
[12:06] <kevix> crimsun: which distros had < 2.6.12 kernel?
[12:06] <jtan325> p0windah, you're talking about the dual-head xinerama?
[12:06] <guillem101> johnsie2k, I would say build-essentials
[12:06] <madsen> kevix: I think hoary did...
[12:06] <brownie17> crimsun, after changing my grub menu.lst should i have to run sudo update-grub before my changes take effect?
[12:06] <p0windah> jtan325: when I had it working I didnt use the xinerama stuff
[12:06] <madsen> brownie17: Nope
[12:06] <Antioch> How can I change the behavior of gnome such that when I double click a window's title bar it doesnt maximize, but instead "rolls up" (windowblind style)?
[12:06] <brownie17> madsen, thanks
[12:06] <johnsie2k> i got the kernel-package and the make command is doing something...cheers
[12:07] <laci> hi
[12:07] <p0windah> jtan325: but its possible, whats cool is picking whether you want window maximises to span across both lcd's :)
[12:07] <guillem101> Antioch, System->Settings->Window settings
[12:07] <jtan325> haha
[12:07] <guillem101> Antioch, at the menu...
[12:07] <kevix> eliphas_: eurika! that is it.
[12:07] <Antioch> guillem101 thanks, I forgot where to find it... =)
[12:07] <jtan325> p0windah, so you just used the basic dual-head stuff described on the nvidia site?
[12:07] <guillem101> :)
[12:07] <laci> i'get a permission problem with copying from cdrom to home dir
[12:08] <madsen> Antioch: Hehe, shading windows is higly addictive. ;)
[12:08] <p0windah> jtan325: well I did it with an ati 9800pro and found that most of the official guides were out of date
[12:08] <p0windah> jtan325: I found some obscure posting on a forum that explained things clearly, in the end
[12:08] <laci> for example i copied Dir1 from /media/cdrom to ~/ with nautils
[12:08] <eliphas_> kevix now  need to find it to point it to vmplayer
[12:08] <jtan325> hahaha
[12:08] <laci> then i can't delete ~/Dir1, only with root access
[12:08] <crimsun> madsen: um, actually yes you do need to run sudo update-grub
[12:08] <jtan325> that's how 90% of my problems are solved
[12:09] <gnomefreak> theres official guides for things on linux?
[12:09] <p0windah> jtan325: but its possible, dont give up :)
[12:09] <jtan325> by some guy who finally figured it out
[12:09] <p0windah> gnomefreak: apparently
[12:09] <crimsun> kevix: Warty had <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:09] <madsen> crimsun: Why? I've _never_ done that - and I've changed my menu.lst, like, 8 times within the last 24 hours...
[12:09] <kevix> laci: what is the command, what is the error?
[12:10] <crimsun> madsen: anything between the kernel magic lines isn't updated
[12:10] <p0windah> anyone here a "screen" user ?
[12:10] <crimsun> p0windah: sure
[12:10] <nevyn> p0windah: naturally
[12:10] <jtan325> i've used screen
[12:10] <jtan325> pretty neat
[12:10] <ccooke> crimsun: yep
[12:10] <madsen> crimsun: No, but if you just edit menu.lst and don't do it because you've installed a new kernel, then you won't need to...
[12:10] <kamstrup> I really *really* need you guys to help me with a small thing...
[12:10] <laci> kevix, the error is that the user hasn't got write permission on ~/Dir1
[12:11] <madsen> poncho1: /me too
[12:11] <ccooke> er. p0windah: yep
[12:11] <p0windah> crimsun: I like using C-a and C-e in bash to move around on a line, whats the work around with screen ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> kamstrup, ask the question lets see if we can help
[12:11] <kamstrup> Can you try and execute: python -c "import gtk"
[12:11] <kamstrup> does it fail?
[12:11] <laci> kevix, but i copied that dir with the same user, and not root
[12:11] <p0windah> and to anyone else that uses screen frequently
[12:11] <crimsun> madsen: advise people to sudo update-grub regardless, because it catches every case.
[12:11] <ccooke> p0windah: okay, there are two ways to sort that out
[12:11] <kevix> laci: what does 'ls -ld ~/Dir1' say?
[12:11] <kamstrup> gnomefreak: That is, if you have pygtk installed ofcourse
[12:12] <ccooke> p0windah: you can change the escape code screen uses - screen -e^BB will make it look for Ctrl-B instead of Ctrl-A
[12:12] <laci> kevix, dr-xr-xr-x  2 laci laci 4096 1970-01-01 01:00 Picture
[12:12] <madsen> crimsun: Well, sure, it doesn't hurt.
[12:12] <ccooke> p0windah: or, you can use Ctrl-a a, which sends a Ctrl-a to the app inside screen
[12:12] <kamstrup> I get:AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'CAPI'
[12:12] <kamstrup> and it freaks me out
[12:12] <laci> rm -Rf Picture said i haven't got permission to delete it
[12:13] <laci> kevix, umask is 022
[12:13] <kevix> laci: what does 'ls -ld ~/' say?
[12:13] <laci> drwxr-xr-x  41 laci laci 4096 2005-10-25 12:02 /home/laci/
[12:13] <p0windah> ccooke: thanks, that brilliant. my productivity grows again
[12:14] <ccooke> p0windah: changing the escape code, by the way, is useful for running screens inside screen
[12:14] <madsen> Arg!!!  If breezy is stable ubuntu, then I feel sorry for the people developing on dapper...
[12:14] <kevix> laci: you tried to delete it from the command line or from nautilus?
[12:14] <Nermal> madsen: hardware locking up ?
[12:15] <nalioth> madsen: ?
[12:15] <p0windah> I think I'll track down some screen fan site and learn its voodoo
[12:15] <laci> kevix, both
[12:15] <madsen> Nermal: No, mono doesn't work in any way.
[12:15] <madsen> nalioth: --^
[12:15] <Nermal> well we knew that ;)
[12:15] <Nermal> it's a clone of M$ stuff and pushed so hard to 1.x status by novell marketing people it's hardly surprising
[12:15] <nalioth> madsen: give it time
[12:15] <laci> kevix, i only can delete it with sudo/root access
[12:15] <Nermal> it should still be 0.2x imho
[12:16] <madsen> Nermal: Even after uninstalling (and purging) everything mono and installing it all over again nothing new has happened... *grr*
[12:16] <p0windah> its free software, use or dont use it
[12:16] <ccooke> p0windah: for instance, I have a three-level screen setup - a single screen on Ctrl-Y which runs an ssh to our main login server... on that, a screen on Ctrl-B, each window of which is a screen on Ctrl-A on a different server...
[12:16] <Nermal> it just doesn't work ?
[12:16] <kevix> laci: that is odd
[12:16] <johnsie2k> there is no build-essentials in the repos
[12:16] <madsen> nalioth: It works on my Agnula/Debian...
[12:16] <Nermal> p0windah: have a state the obvious star :)
[12:16] <p0windah> I know there are probably a couple of mono apps I'd appreciate being able to run under linux
[12:16] <ccooke> (the screen on Ctrl-Yis just there so the session persists over multiple logins - only one window)
[12:16] <madsen> Nermal: Pretty much yeah...
[12:16] <laci> kevix, is somewhere a settings with i can set the default permission of the newly copied files?
[12:16] <madsen> p0windah: What kinda useless suggestion is that?
[12:16] <kevix> johnsie2k: its 'build-essential' ( no s)
[12:17] <thoreauput1c> Will uninstalling xubuntu-artwork-usplash or whatever it's called get the ubuntu splash back or is there a further step required?
[12:17] <kevix> p0windah: I'm running tomboy and beagle!
[12:17] <p0windah> merely pointing out that whining about novell pushing mono is not a "bad thing" tm
[12:17] <madsen> thoreauput1c: Hehe, I had that exact same problem... :)
[12:17] <nalioth> madsen: agnula?
[12:17] <thoreauput1c> madsen: :(
[12:18] <johnsie2k> ah
[12:18] <thoreauput1c> madsen: any solutions?
[12:18] <johnsie2k> :_
[12:18] <kevix> laci: umask. but you knew that.
[12:18] <madsen> thoreauput1c: the trick was to uninstall (and purge) xubuntu-artwork-usplash and then 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-`uname -r`' :)
[12:18] <madsen> nalioth: A GNU/Linux Audio Distribution (http://agnula.org)
[12:18] <thoreauput1c> madsen: aha - OK I thought I recalled a dpkg-reconfigure in there - thanks :)
[12:19] <madsen> nalioth: Pretty cool, if it was better than other distros at music apps, but it's not. :-/
[12:19] <nalioth> madsen: perhaps you'd like to join the motu team and hack on it
[12:19] <madsen> nalioth: motu?
[12:20] <madsen> puff: lol! Tak! :)
[12:20] <madsen> pusling: --^
[12:20] <thoreauput1c> I must say breezy is very cool - it does a lot of sophisticated tricks I didn't know about like the totem plugin for firefox...
[12:20] <gnomefreak> xemacs is the text editor right?
[12:20] <nalioth> madsen: masters of the universe (repository)
[12:20] <kevix> madsen: how about 'dinabolic'(sp?)?
[12:21] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: usplash and initramfs are linked, so anytime you change usplash, you have to regenerate the initramfs, which means you have to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[12:21] <kevix> madsen: masters of the universe - motu
[12:21] <madsen> kevix: You mean dynebolic?  It may change in Dapper.
[12:23] <madsen> gnomefreak: Yeah, of religious proportions, I think... But I use vim, so I don't care. ;)
[12:23] <dave> hey
[12:23] <Nermal> gnomefreak: erm.. one is console.. one is X iirc
[12:23] <gnomefreak> madsen, alot of people are using vim
[12:24] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: if I pastebin my amixer output could you have a look and perhaps tell me why I can't record using a mic and gnome recorder app?
[12:24] <madsen> gnomefreak: I know, and I'm one...
[12:24] <gnomefreak> ty Nermal
[12:24] <chic> heyyyyyyyyyy
[12:24] <madsen> gnomefreak: a lot of people are using emacs/xemacs too...
[12:24] <nevyn> hrm
[12:24] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: if you're busy don't worry
[12:24] <DjKritical> Anyone here use imagemagick?.. I'm trying to turn a whole directory of images into thumbnails =(
[12:24] <gnomefreak> madsen, ty
[12:25] <nevyn> who's responcible for shippit?
[12:25] <DjKritical> hey it's madsen.. remember me ;D
[12:25] <LePoulpe303> hi all
[12:25] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: sure, though I need /proc/asound/cards info, too
[12:25] <nevyn> shipit even.
[12:25] <LePoulpe303> anyone has a clue how i can recompile a package already installed by synaptic ?
[12:25] <dave> hey guys... my battery charge monitor is stuck on 61% and says it has about 14 hours until it's fully charged... obviously something's wrong... only thing i can find is a lot of this sort of thing in syslog localhost battery-stats-collector[7886] : apm_read failed with error code 1
[12:25] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: OK I'll see what I can come up with - thanks :)
[12:25] <nevyn> LePoulpe303: why do you want to?
[12:25] <dave> remove it, dl the source and make it?
[12:26] <nevyn> LePoulpe303: you'd remove it download the source package and debuild it.
[12:26] <nevyn> LePoulpe303: but why?
[12:26] <LePoulpe303> nevyn :  i have a problem of c++ abi compatibility on some libraries
[12:26] <foxgamer> Hi all. So I'm having real problems with breezy. Is there a program that will inform me of any possible conflicts between software/hardware?
[12:26] <p0windah> :)
[12:26] <LePoulpe303> nevyn : on a pc that made hoary-> breezy transition
[12:26] <nevyn> LePoulpe303: ah
[12:27] <LePoulpe303> nevyn : i'm a newb in linux and for me it's hell ... :D
[12:27] <chic> speak spanish?
[12:27] <nevyn> LePoulpe303: that's a pretty serious problem
[12:27] <chic> ssssss
[12:28] <nevyn> LePoulpe303: I'd probably re-install the libraries and the application before attempting to rebuild libc
[12:28] <dave> anyone feel like helping me with my battery charge monitor?
[12:28] <kevix> !es
[12:28] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:28] <nevyn> dave: have you loaded the battery module?
[12:28] <dave> it's a fresh breezy install
[12:28] <dave> it used to work on hoary okay
[12:28] <nevyn> dave: or has ubuntu loaded it for you?
[12:28] <LePoulpe303> nevyn : http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1943
[12:28] <dave> it's just the battery monitor usually in the top right corner
[12:28] <nevyn> dave: it's the sort of thing that should "just work" on ubuntu
[12:29] <dave> yeah thats wat i thought
[12:29] <dave> it worked fine in hoary
[12:29] <nevyn> dave: that's why they were aiming for "Totally awesome" laptop support...
[12:29] <dave> works fine in windows
[12:29] <nevyn> jdub: or was it "totally rad" ?
[12:29] <dave> but right now, i'm plugged in
[12:29] <dave> and it says
[12:29] <dave> 61%
[12:29] <dave> 18 hours 55mins until charged
[12:29] <dave> and it's been like that for a few hours
[12:29] <madsen> Ok, which one of you guys (or gals) started the ubuntu hype?
[12:30] <dave> if anything, that time's increasing
[12:30] <madsen> ... and what's your home address, I have something interesting (and ticking) to mail you... *grr*
[12:30] <p0windah> there are hoards of closet longtime debian users in here
[12:31] <nevyn> some of whom still havn't switched
[12:31] <dave> so yeah..
[12:31] <p0windah> debian users never truly switch :)
[12:31] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3595
[12:31] <madsen> p0windah: I'm a long time Debian user - and I keep an extra Debian nearby at all times....
[12:31] <dave> localhost battery-stats-collector[7886] : apm_read failed with error code 1
[12:31] <dave> is wat i got
[12:31] <dave> apmd is installed
[12:31] <p0windah> madsen: sure thing, I'm working on two right now :)
[12:31] <nevyn> except I deployed breezy in a server rather than sarge because the 2.6 sarge ships with has a bug in the ide driver for the intel board I was using...
[12:31] <dave> (obviously, its a fresh breezy install)
[12:31] <nevyn> most upsetting
[12:32] <madsen> p0windah: I'm dual-booting Agnula/Debian and Ubuntu Breezy - but I have a feeling that breezy is already on it's way out...
[12:32] <dave> hang on... its now 42% what the hell
[12:32] <madsen> p0windah: Not much fun in coding C# on a platform it doesn't work on.
[12:32] <p0windah> dave: the magic of linux..
[12:32] <dave> (was 61% a little while ago and it's charging)
[12:33] <dave> ok, this battery monitor is obviously stuffed
[12:33] <madsen> Well, gonna try a reboot as suggested by Ubuntu... Brb to bitch some more. ;]
[12:33] <dave> is there any other battery monitor package i can get other than this gnome applet?
[12:33] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: hmm, do you actively use optical out?
[12:34] <kevix> LePoulpe303: read http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/debian
[12:34] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: umm... no - I don't even know what it is :)
[12:34] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: digital output to a receiver capable of handling it?
[12:34] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: no, I don't use anything like that
[12:34] <dave> oh wow! now 79% remaining
[12:35] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: my set up is simple - I have two speakers only
[12:35] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: ok, mute 'IEC958' and unmute 'Capture'
[12:35] <dave> i'm guessing the code for this battery charge monitor is "output random number from 1 to 100"
[12:35] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: OK
[12:35] <macintoshr> im trying to compile some dockapps on a friend's ubuntu box
[12:35] <macintoshr> it's missing X11/xpm.h
[12:35] <kevix> dave: try'aapt-cache search battery'
[12:36] <sigwada> i download an installtion cd of ubunutu 5.10, but when it is in the stage of installing the base system, theres an error msg sounds like this "initrd-tools, chk target/var.../, "what does it means?
[12:36] <macintoshr> what package is that in?
[12:36] <macintoshr> i've tried libxpm, xpm, libx
[12:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sigwada about verify
[12:36] <crimsun> macintoshr: use http://packages.ubuntu.com to search
[12:36] <macintoshr> thanks
[12:36] <Nermal> macintoshr: you want the development packages
[12:36] <Nermal> as thats a header
[12:36] <dave> thanks
[12:36] <agt> i have ubuntu installed on sda1 - i'm trying to plug in my other ide hard drive and boot up, but grub gives me error 17, any suggestions?
[12:37] <Nermal> google ?
[12:37] <LePoulpe303> kevix : thanks but i'm afraid it will not help me for that  http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1943
[12:38] <kevix> macintoshr: libxpm-dev
[12:38] <bazooka> ho can help me ?!?!?!
[12:38] <macintoshr> got it
[12:38] <LePoulpe303> +-
[12:38] <macintoshr> just found that one, he's installing it
[12:38] <macintoshr> thanks
[12:38] <LePoulpe303> oops felt asleep on keyb
[12:39] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: I don't see "capture" in alsamixer - the gnome mixer has 3 settings for capture - do I just unmute the mic?
[12:39] <dave> i found xbattbar
[12:39] <dave> not sure how to run it
[12:39] <gnomefreak> how do you change names in bitchx?
[12:39] <foxgamer> anyone with 64bit having problems with breezy?
[12:39] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: in alsamixer, you just need to select the mic for capture. I presume you toggled it using the space bar in the F4 screen?
[12:40] <dave> anyone with 64bit running 64bit linux (not x86) is shooting themselves in the foot until people make 64 bit drivers...
[12:40] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: otherwise you can always amixer sset 'Capture' on
[12:40] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: let me have another look
[12:41] <kevix> thoreauput1c: press 'tab'
[12:41] <foxgamer> dave: I have realised that now :) Am I able to backgrade to 32bit without reformatting again?
[12:42] <dave> backup your home directory
[12:42] <madsen> Back!
[12:42] <dave> and reinstall
[12:42] <LePoulpe303> if anyone can help me for that    http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1943
[12:42] <dave> that's the best bet
[12:42] <dave> unless your home directory's on a different partition
[12:42] <dave> then u can just install on the system partition
[12:42] <foxgamer> ah cool. Thanks dave. The home directory contains all my settings too?
[12:42] <dave> yep
[12:42] <kevix> LePoulpe303: that looks like a mess. what program did you want?
[12:43] <nekyian> wt.. is this distro... no gcc? please enlight me how would I install gcc without all the deps fuss
[12:43] <dave> beauty of linux
[12:43] <dave> u'll have to reinstall any packages tho
[12:43] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: just testing ...
[12:43] <dave> (but that's self explanatory)
[12:43] <foxgamer> thank you :) Will be nice to have a working computer again.
[12:43] <boris> I remember when updating debian would be done a 2k/s now it is updating at 220k/s
[12:43] <boris> yum
[12:43] <qiHEWSfi> i have little problems setting up a zalman theatre 6 + terratec aureon system in ubuntu. does anyone know what lfe output means?
[12:43] <LePoulpe303> kevix : the total story :   i made a python program that works well on winXP, ubuntu breezy French, but that puts this message on a Horay->Breezy german box
[12:43] <bimberi> nekyian: install the build-essential package
[12:44] <CosmoDad> is the Debian Maintainer's Guide for building packages also valid for Ubuntu debs? Any reference that shows the differences available?
[12:44] <nekyian> thnk u
[12:44] <bimberi> yw :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> what is command to change user name for freenode?
[12:44] <crimsun> CosmoDad: wiki/DeveloperResources . Yes, it's still quite valid.
[12:44] <CosmoDad> gnomefreak: /nick <name>
[12:44] <bimberi> gnomefreak: /nick <newnick>
[12:44] <CosmoDad> crimsun: thx
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:45] <kevix> LePoulpe303: compare the output of  'dpkg -l' or the french and german box.
[12:45] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: thanks again ! Working fine now - nice to have a sound genius to consult! ;-)
[12:45] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: np
[12:45] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: much appreciated
[12:45] <nekyian> bimberi, oh..btw is this ubuntu a debian style linux...please excuse my ignorance..I just need to get some work done, I usually do slackware but I happen to run across this workstation and need to install sone shit and it gives me headaches?
[12:45] <kevix> CosmoDad:  read http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/debian
[12:45] <LePoulpe303> kevix : we have checked all libraries and gcc version in synaptic all seems to be the same , but perhaps we missed some
[12:46] <boris> LePoulpe303, what is the problem ?
[12:46] <bimberi> nekyian: yes, based on debian it is :) - http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[12:47] <LePoulpe303> boris : please scroll up
[12:47] <boris> Oh right, sorry, can't help with that
[12:48] <kevix> LePoulpe303: you said its python? isn't that supposed to be portible?
[12:48] <madsen> LePoulpe303: What was the error-msg? (Don't have a browser in handy atm... Waiting for gnome to be through hanging.)
[12:49] <LePoulpe303> kevix : don't tell me about that :  i'm very sad to see all the mess i have to make something that works with windows work using linux and mac
[12:49] <madsen> kevix: You can make any portable app unportable...
[12:49] <Nermal> LePoulpe303: lol
[12:49] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: interesting - sound on breezy seems to work best for me with OSS source and esd sink whereas on hoary I had to do the dmix thing - am I right that there's no way to have games like frozen-bubble or pingus running at the same time as other music etc?
[12:50] <LePoulpe303> madsen : Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions detected.
[12:50] <LePoulpe303> The library used 2.6 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx containers,compatible with 2.4),
[12:50] <LePoulpe303> and wxPython used 2.6 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx containers,compatible with 2.4).
[12:50] <crimsun> thoreauput1c: not easily.
[12:50] <Nermal> ask in #python ? :)
[12:50] <kevix> LePoulpe303: that you need folks who know wxpython. I dont suspect that would be here.
[12:50] <jtan325> holy crap twinview worked
[12:50] <thoreauput1c> crimsun: that's fine - at least this is a major improvement :))
[12:50] <jtan325> kinda...
[12:51] <LePoulpe303> Nermal : guess the answer they made
[12:51] <jtan325> does anyone know how to identify their display device names?
[12:51] <jtan325> is it the "Identifier" line under Section "Device" in xorg.conf?
[12:51] <Nermal> LePoulpe303: I have other ways of generatig useless channel traffic
[12:51] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - for each device section you make an Identifier line
[12:51] <LePoulpe303> kevix : nobody knows that crap :D
[12:51] <LePoulpe303> Nermal : ???
[12:51] <sigwada> how can i obtain a free cd of ubuntu 5.10 here in the philippines?
[12:52] <thoreauput1c> is the esound-client package necessary for remote music using freenx? (currently music plays on the server, not the client)
[12:52] <jtan325> Alchemist_, so how do i go about making an identifier for my second lcd monitor...
[12:52] <kevix> jtan325: echo $DISPLAY
[12:52] <jtan325> i already have Identifier"NVIDIA Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go AGP 8x] "
[12:52] <madsen> LePoulpe303: Hmm, sorry, don't think I'll be of much help. :-/
[12:52] <jtan325> (that was there before i enabled twinview)
[12:52] <LePoulpe303> madsen : thanks for trying :)
[12:52] <kevix> sigwada: go to the ubuntu website!
[12:52] <madsen> LePoulpe303: hehe, np. :)
[12:53] <madsen> sigwada: http://shipit.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - add a second device section / a second screen section and a second monitor section
[12:53] <kute> backports
[12:53] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - you can change the default device identifier to something easier like 'card0'
[12:53] <jtan325> ok
[12:53] <jtan325> sounds good
[12:54] <jtan325> but then where do i do Option "Twinview"
[12:54] <jtan325> (in which section "device")
[12:54] <jtan325> and Option "TwinViewOrientation"
[12:54] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - then you make a second device section - 'card1' but actually for the same physical device
[12:55] <jtan325> wait
[12:55] <jtan325> so i was going to make a new device, monitor, and screen section for this external lcd monitor
[12:55] <jtan325> separate from what's already configured for my laptop screen
[12:56] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - ok - do you want twinview or dual head ?
[12:56] <jtan325> twinview please
[12:56] <jtan325> i'm following the instructions on http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=175&p_created=1101836633&p_sid=RekL2VSh&p_lva=175&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NiZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9mbmwmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1hcHBlbmRpeA**&p_li=&p_topview=1
[12:56] <jtan325> oh crap sorry about the paste
[12:56] <thoreauput1c> jtan325: that's close to the ugliest URL I've ever seen :)
[12:56] <Alchemist_> jtan325 - ok - well just setup a second 'monitor' and 'screen' section and add the options into one device section
[12:57] <jtan325> haha thoreauput1c
[12:57] <jtan325> Alchemist_, alright, I will try that
[12:57] <jtan325> and let's say I wanted to unplug my external lcd monitor
[12:57] <jtan325> and take my laptop somewhere
[12:57] <jtan325> how do i safely "disable" it?
[12:57] <jtan325> or do i have to shutdown first and then unplug
[12:58] <thoreauput1c> jtan325: if nvidia apply the same methods to their cards as their website, I'm staying away <grin>
[12:58] <jtan325> haha thoreauput1c, at least it's more problem-free than the stuff i've heard about ATI cards
[12:58] <sun_> HIA
[12:58] <thoreauput1c> jtan325: true :)
[12:59] <sun_> hi ,everyone
[12:59] <sun_> have a good day
[12:59] <madsen> Gawd... I'm gonna go sleep and try to dream of something that doesn't have to do with my fscked up Mono/dbus...
[01:00] <madsen> See ya later!
[01:01] <jtan325> Alchemist_, it says in the nvidia site to use "display device names"...
[01:01] <jtan325> but if there's only one Device section
[01:01] <jtan325> ...
[01:02] <jtan325> how would I set an identifier for each screen
[01:02] <thoreauputic> OK time to go again - thanks crimsun, night all
[01:02] <jtan325> (besides the ones in their separate monitor and screen sections)
[01:04] <boxerboy29> this is weird but kinda cool
[01:04] <Stormx2> Does anyone know a way to seemlessly mount an ftp folder?
[01:06] <golan77> hi to everybody!
[01:06] <Stormx2> Hey to you!
[01:06] <boxerboy29> good morning
[01:07] <golan77> I see that this new kubuntu 5.10 rocks!
[01:07] <manas> 82852/855GM graphics card in my ThinkPad is refusing to get accelerated  :( Anyone have an idea ?
[01:07] <johnny> where can i put my own .desktop files ?
[01:07] <johnny> in $HOME
[01:08] <golan77> what do you suggest as IMAP client on ubuntu? I quite don't like thunderbird
[01:08] <gnomefreak> i love thunderbird its easy set up
[01:09] <Nermal> evolution ?
[01:09] <Nermal> balsa ?
[01:09] <Nermal> mutt ?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> kmail
[01:09] <golan77> what about kmail? are you currently using it as IMAP ?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i am using ubuntu not kubuntu
[01:10] <golan77> thanks anyway gnomefreak... well, your nick explains a lot :-)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> and my mail are all pop3 i think the ones i set up anyway
[01:10] <johnny> evolution is a bit too much of a hog for me
[01:10] <johnny> i just use thunderbird
[01:10] <golan77> johnny, i agree with u
[01:10] <johnny> waiting for some of the gtk+ performance fixes to get merged in
[01:11] <johnny> hopefully there will be enough to make a difference by the time we get to dapper drake
[01:11] <golan77> ok
[01:11] <johnny> the big time gtk+ folks did some serious profiling works
[01:11] <johnny> in the recent past ..
[01:11] <johnny> that should make things alot nicer in the long term
[01:11] <frans-th> all, know openldap? where i can install it? i use breezy here
[01:11] <frans-th> nothing in the repos
[01:12] <johnny> so anybody know about a place in $HOME to put .desktop files
[01:12] <peritus> gnome is not loading when i login, i just get the brown background and the mouse. i can still move the mouse. what can be wrong?
[01:12] <gnomefreak> peritus im assuming you tried to reboot?
[01:13] <peritus> gnomefreak: yeah
[01:13] <peritus> 5.10 fresh install
[01:13] <gnomefreak> peritus  is this the first boot or have you made the first boot already?
[01:13] <peritus> er. yesterday gnome like hung up and i just pushed the power button. started now again.
[01:14] <peritus> i have logged in succesfully before
[01:14] <hamouhzi> HELLO
[01:14] <Stormx2> HEY
[01:14] <Stormx2> !mp3
[01:14] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[01:16] <Bluemat> !w32codecs
[01:16] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[01:16] <gnomefreak> peritus im not sure i was gonna say try to reconfig your xorg file(setting) but i had a black screen not brown so im not real sure
[01:16] <Turandot> como puedo slir de la intalacion que hace el cd de ubuntu?
[01:16] <peritus> gnomefreak: oh wait
[01:16] <peritus> gnomefreak: now, after like 5 minutes im logged in
[01:16] <gnomefreak> Turandot english please
[01:16] <Turandot> hay canales de ingles?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> !es
[01:17] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:17] <Turandot> de espaol?
[01:17] <Turandot> gracias
[01:17] <Quarupted> Si, estan Hablar en espanol
[01:17] <Quarupted> que?
[01:18] <Quarupted> Ayuda?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> !es
[01:20] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:20] <peritus> gnomefreak: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=1&threadid=225837 that seems to be my problem. the same lines in the logs
[01:20] <Quarupted> No I was trying to help him in Spanish, I speak english
[01:21] <gnomefreak> oh sorry
[01:21] <Quarupted> lol its cool
[01:21] <jtan325> has anyone gotten dual-head to work (not twinview)?
[01:22] <gnomefreak> peritus thats not a valid address
[01:22] <peritus> gnomefreak: what?
[01:23] <stuart_> test
[01:23] <gnomefreak> the link you posted doesnt give me a thread
[01:23] <peritus> gnomefreak: "The first time I login after boot it takes gdm about 5 minutes before it starts up Gnome. When I log in without X it also takes about 5 minutes to log me in (unless I log in as root for some weird reason). Anyway, after the first login it's al fast again. Any idea's how I can fix this? Any suggestions would be appreciated."
[01:23] <peritus> and then like
[01:23] <peritus> "Sep  2 18:57:23 cc109776-a gconfd (pathfinder-4203): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config source at position 0"
[01:23] <stuart_> can anyone advise me on user memory and used swap?
[01:23] <peritus> in the logs
[01:24] <flow-> hello, just got 5.10 from ftp.fu.berlin and checksum of ./install/netboot/pxelinux.0 is uncorrect, install is aborting, *.iso checksum of 5.10 is correct tho
[01:24] <stuart_> i reckon there may be a problem with the way memory is handled?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> peritus im not real sure
[01:25] <termitor_taff> hello, i have some bug with sane , who have bug too ?
[01:25] <egoleo> hey
[01:26] <tttriple> its because your father is gay
[01:26] <egoleo> how do i recover a file deleted on ubuntu
[01:26] <flow-> can someone confirm this checksum error?
[01:26] <qiHEWSfi> does anyone own a combination of terratec 5.1 pci aureon fun and zalman theatre6 surround headphones and has all channels outputting properly?
[01:26] <termitor_taff> xsane segfault if hpijs is setup
[01:26] <stuart_> anyone know how  memory is handled?
[01:26] <tttriple> how do i pick up chicks at partys? do i need to upgrade to 5.10? or is 5.04 fine?
[01:27] <egoleo> how do i recover a deleted file
[01:27] <stuart_> my swap and user memory do not seem to get released?????
[01:27] <mahangu_> tttriple, we prefer to keep things civil in here
[01:28] <tttriple> doesnt seem very civil at the moment
[01:28] <tttriple> even with -ttriple
[01:28] <mahangu_> tttriple, let's not refer to each others' fathers, that's all
[01:28] <jtan325> has anyone gotten dual-head to work (not twinview)?
[01:29] <qiHEWSfi> i have to say that this combo rocks. for 50 bucks, you have yourself semi-hifi 5.1 headphones and a fully ubuntu 5.10 compatible 5.1 system using a very high quality budget soundcard called aureon 5.1 pci fun. the speakers are known as 'zalman theatre 6'
[01:30] <qiHEWSfi> the headphones that is
[01:30] <egoleo> how do i recover a deleted
[01:30] <golan77> a question: how can i add a "show desktop" (that is, minimize all open windows) icon on the menu bar?
[01:31] <Efils_God> hello all your newest newb here
[01:31] <siimo> golan77, right click > Add
[01:31] <qiHEWSfi> golean 77 click on the panel desired, select add to panel and find the icon there
[01:31] <golan77> yes but... which icon?
[01:31] <siimo> golan77, scroll down the list one is called shoe desktop
[01:32] <Efils_God> if the files i want are in my windows my documents folder will i be unable to access them?
[01:32] <Efils_God> i get a message that i don't have permission to axx them
[01:32] <golan77> siimo, which list?
[01:32] <siimo> right click add to panel will show you a list golan77
[01:33] <tttriple> oi why doesnt perl work with apache
[01:33] <stuart_> can anyone advise about memory????????????
[01:33] <flow-> hello, just got 5.10 from ftp.fu.berlin and checksum of ./install/netboot/pxelinux.0 is uncorrect, install is aborting, *.iso checksum of 5.10 is correct tho
[01:33] <egoleo> how do undelete a file on ubuntu
[01:33] <tttriple> egoleo,  if its not in the trash bin its gone
[01:33] <stuart_> surely someone here knows something about swap space...???
[01:33] <golan77> siimo, sorry i didn't mention... i'm with kubuntu
[01:33] <tttriple> flow-,  your burner is burning corrupt cds
[01:33] <golan77> maybe i need to join #kubuntu
[01:34] <tttriple> yeahhhh may be
[01:34] <flow-> no tttriple, the unpacked iso is already corrupt
[01:34] <siimo> golan77, -> # kubuntu
[01:34] <golan77> thanks!
[01:34] <flow-> that has nothing to do with my burner
[01:34] <siimo> #kubuntu
[01:34] <egoleo> hey
[01:34] <egoleo> my assignment
[01:34] <flow-> the whole iso checksum is correct, but not the pxelinux.0 (unpacked)
[01:34] <egoleo> and i need to get it by now
[01:34] <egoleo> so is there no way i can recover that
[01:35] <stuart_> M E M O R Y help please
[01:35] <jjd> When I run the Synaptic Package Manager it gives me this error "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://za.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/za.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[01:35] <gnomefreak> i thought the only difference in commands from ubuntu to kubuntu was like gedit=kedit in kubuntu?
[01:35] <jjd> Is this a problem or can I ignore it?
[01:36] <bimberi> jjd: A "Reload" will probably clear it
[01:36] <Nermal> stuart_: your spacebar appears to also activate itself at regular intervals
[01:36] <Efils_God> would i have to move the files i want to view in ubuntu from the windows my document folder to view them?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> i know the us and uk sources work not sure about za
[01:36] <Nermal> Efils_God: nope
[01:36] <Nermal> can read fat32 / ntfs under linux
[01:37] <qiHEWSfi> is there a 5.1 testing utility for ubuntu?
[01:37] <stuart_> i'm just attention seeking - can u help with memory?
[01:37] <Efils_God> its saying i don't have permission to access the folder
[01:37] <gnomefreak> Efils_God  try as root?
[01:38] <Efils_God> system disks program to do that?
[01:38] <Efils_God> hmm
[01:38] <Bluemat> Anyone know of an text editor that has FTP built in??
[01:38] <Bluemat> besides emacs..
[01:38] <Nermal> erm
[01:39] <Nermal> mad
[01:39] <Efils_God> weird i can access it now
[01:39] <gnomefreak> not sure but im assuming vim does also
[01:39] <stuart_> MMEEMMOORRYY help please
[01:40] <KenSentMe> Bluemat: i was also looking for one, but haven't found one that works the way i do
[01:40] <stuart_> ubuntu does not allow memory to be freed up?
[01:40] <KenSentMe> Bluemat: i mean 'the way i want to'
[01:40] <Efils_God> one more question guys if its ok
[01:40] <limguohong91> Hi how do i have the special caldener thing formy Ubuntu?
[01:41] <Efils_God> trying to play a divx file do i need to download the audio codecs for it cause im not getting any sound
[01:41] <tttriple> all these problems you have, can be fixed by installing windows
[01:41] <KenSentMe> tttriple: now that's a solution!
[01:41] <gnomefreak> limguohong91 special calender thing?
[01:41] <Efils_God> where the fun in that?
[01:41] <gnomefreak> tttriple only problem there is you have more problems in windows
[01:42] <tttriple> it appears to work for a while
[01:42] <limguohong91> gnomefreak: Some people have a caladener on their desktop that is not the default, On the other ways how can i change it?
[01:42] <stuart_> c'mon guys, help me with meory prob plssssse
[01:42] <tttriple> out of the box it does
[01:42] <KenSentMe> Efils_God: exactly, try searchin the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com)
[01:42] <gnomefreak> limguohong91 ive seen different calenders in synaptic
[01:43] <gnomefreak> stuart_: linux doesnt allow for memory to be freed up???????
[01:43] <limguohong91> gnomefreak okay
[01:43] <Efils_God> it says there is no audio output available when i try and play an mp3 do i need to install drivers? I have nforce2 onboard audio
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Efils_God  you might need codecs
[01:43] <tttriple> Just like Winows 95 the memory is locked untill reboot
[01:43] <KenSentMe> Efils_God: do you get a sound when ubuntu starts up?
[01:43] <Efils_God> yeah i do
[01:43] <stuart_> yeah maybe -- i opened a lot of photos and applications and physical memory utilisation increases and eventually swap was used
[01:44] <larry> help on recovery of deleted files
[01:44] <gnomefreak> stuart_: how much memory do you have?
[01:44] <larry> how do i recover a deleted file
[01:44] <stuart_> closing the files/applications did not result in the expected amount of memory becoming available
[01:44] <jtan325> has anyone gotten dual-head to work (not twinview)?
[01:44] <stuart_> 512mb ram
[01:44] <gnomefreak> stuart_: and thats not enough?
[01:45] <stuart_> swap was set by Ubuntu at approx 780 Mb
[01:45] <Efils_God> what exactly is a wiki?
[01:45] <gnomefreak> swap should be close to double ur memory
[01:45] <gnomefreak> Efils_God wiki is help pages
[01:45] <stuart_> yeay it's enough, but ubuntu is stealing it and i wonder wether it's like in the days of windows 98, that the system will slowly grind to a halt with memory leakage?
[01:46] <r00t_> hi
[01:46] <Efils_God> do the win32 codecs include audio ones? cause i can't find just audio codecs
[01:46] <stuart_> also, it seems to resort to swap when there is still physical memory available
[01:47] <gnomefreak> stuart_: i have 512mb ram and i dont have any memory issues i dont think ive ever used swap yet thats why im stunned.
[01:47] <larry> so there is no way to recover a file
[01:47] <kbrooks> larry: technically there is
[01:47] <kbrooks> larry: not on ext3
[01:47] <gnomefreak> larry: not sure how to get them back
[01:48] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: You can't on ext3.
[01:48] <stuart_> with nothing open other than wot the system starts automatically im using 119Mb swap. I dont know any way to get this back other than to reboot
[01:48] <kbrooks> I tried.
[01:48] <gnomefreak> kbrooks isnt default ext 3 on breezy
[01:48] <Efils_God> where can i find audio codecs?
[01:48] <linxeh> stuart_: i've had machines running for 2-3 years without a reboot that dont grind to a halt, and various desktops at work run for 4-6 months before we reboot them - they work fine
[01:48] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: ext3 IS default on breezy
[01:48] <stuart_> (as reported by the system monitor installed by default)
[01:49] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought
[01:49] <gnomefreak> stuart_: i really think you have a hardware issue with your memory sticks
[01:49] <KenSentMe> ubotu tell Efils_God about codecs
[01:49] <tttriple> oi flash keeps 4ucking up mozilla and the audio doesnt work
[01:49] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: please organize your sentences right
[01:49] <stuart_> how would i check that (system is stable and everything else seems fine)?
[01:50] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: "ext3 isn't default on breezy" < i read your sentence as this
[01:50] <linxeh> stuart_: it will be fine. how much memory was free, and how much was still used for "buffers" ?
[01:50] <gnomefreak> kbrooks oh ok sorry i meant it is default
[01:51] <johnm> gnomefreak: swap space has nothing to do with phsyical memory
[01:51] <Efils_God> im looking in the wiki all i can see are the win32 codecs i've installed them but still have no sound
[01:51] <kbrooks> gnomefreak: then say so! you weren't comprehensible
[01:51] <tttriple> i re read gnomefreak 's messages and i comprehended them
[01:51] <marinho> Cmo puedo or la cadena ser desde ubuntu?
[01:51] <johnm> stuart_: swap is used when the pages in memory are not active.. and as such is moved to swap space to save real RAM for other things
[01:51] <Efils_God> im using totem movie player
[01:51] <limguohong91> gnomefreak even though there is an options in Synaptic i installed the calder but how do i change it?
[01:51] <johnm> stuart_: it's normally old cached data.
[01:51] <kbrooks> free = mem + cache + buffers
[01:51] <Prabu^> hello all
[01:51] <kbrooks> free = mem + cache + buffers
[01:51] <kbrooks> ^
[01:51] <Prabu^> are there MySQL 4.1 packages for Ubuntu ?
[01:52] <stuart_> system memory is currently sitting at aprrox 58% and swap at 15%
[01:52] <kbrooks> !info mysql
[01:52] <larry> yes
[01:52] <tttriple> !info apache
[01:52] <ubotu> apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-8 (breezy), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 804 kB
[01:52] <larry> how do i recover a deleted file
[01:52] <kbrooks> !info mysql-client
[01:52] <ubotu> mysql-client: (mysql database client binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 403 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB
[01:52] <johnm> stuart_: you can safely trust it sitting at 100% total usage, assumign that most og it is cached
[01:52] <kbrooks> !info mysql-server
[01:52] <ubotu> mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3471 kB, Installed size: 8796 kB
[01:52] <linxeh> stuart_: run the "free -m" command
[01:52] <kestas> hi, I ran a server installation but for some reason eth0 isn't getting set up on startup
[01:52] <kbrooks> Prabu^: no
[01:52] <kbrooks> ^
[01:52] <kestas> I have to set it up myself with ifconfig
[01:52] <kbrooks> Prabu^: client and server are both 4.0
[01:52] <kestas> which I don't understand because /etc/networks/interfaces is set up correctly
[01:52] <brownie17> bob2, i finally managed to get my breezy update to work, but now i want to know, in synpatic all the packages are white squares with yellow stars, what does this mean?
[01:52] <tttriple> who wants to help me get perl working on apache
[01:52] <stuart_> so would that be web pages visited and that sort of thing?
[01:52] <Prabu^> yea
[01:53] <limguohong91> How do i add in a special calader features that other Ubuntu user have?
[01:53] <Prabu^> guess i gotta do alot of work :S
[01:53] <stuart_> free -m   --- ill give it a go
[01:53] <johnm> stuart_: it isn't quite like that. but yeah. almost :)
[01:53] <kestas> it may have something to do with that I changed the network card after I installed ubuntu, would this cause this problem
[01:53] <kestas> ?
[01:53] <linxeh> stuart_: file accesses mainly
[01:54] <limguohong91> How do i add in a special calader features that other Ubuntu user have? Instead of using the default i belive there is anyway way to show the calader in a better way
[01:54] <kestas> bob2, you're a unix guru right? I also see Seveas
[01:54] <kestas> can either of you help me out?
[01:54] <Efils_God> flash audio works
[01:54] <tttriple> how
[01:54] <kbrooks> kestas: dont assume anyone cant help you out. and dont ask to ask
[01:54] <tttriple> its seriosuly not wokring
[01:54] <kbrooks> JUST ASK
[01:55] <KenSentMe> Efils_God: do you get a sound when ubuntu starts up?
[01:55] <stuart_> ok -- free -m reports different figures than the sys monitor (gui)
[01:55] <corincole> can anyone tell me if www.projecthack.org  dispalys?  :)
[01:55] <kestas> kbrooks, I posted my question above
[01:55] <Nermal>  ah.. kbrooks I was wondering when you would appear
[01:55] <kbrooks> Nermal: yes?
[01:55] <Nermal> doing the exact same thing you bitched at me for months ago
[01:55] <tttriple> i dont trust you corincole
[01:55] <kestas> kbrooks, but it got ignored
[01:55] <corincole> tttriple? why not?
[01:55] <iiiears> G'morning kbrooks good to see you. :0
[01:55] <iiiears> :)
[01:55] <corincole> its going to download viruses to ure pc :P
[01:55] <tttriple> because
[01:55] <kbrooks> lol
[01:55] <kestas> kbrooks, and Im assuming anyone cant help me out because no-one has
[01:55] <corincole> ???
[01:55] <stuart_> swap is same, but of "total mem" it reports 472 with 466 used
[01:55] <tttriple> you went :) after the url
[01:56] <linxeh> stuart_: what does it say for buffers and cached ?
[01:56] <kbrooks> corincole: 1. very few viruses in linux
[01:56] <corincole> exactly
[01:56] <stuart_> whereas the gui suggests 60% utilisation??
[01:56] <corincole> thats a smiley face
[01:56] <corincole> : )
[01:56] <kestas> guys should I use KDE or GNOME?
[01:56] <corincole> as in, thankyou for helping me
[01:56] <tttriple> i know
[01:56] <corincole> lol
[01:56] <tttriple> a suspocious one
[01:56] <Nermal> kestas: try both and choose
[01:56] <corincole> dont if u dont want to though
[01:56] <corincole> 8 -)
[01:56] <deeler> can someone convince me why to use ubuntu instead of debian ?
[01:56] <stuart_> buffers total 776, used 118
[01:57] <corincole> use it u stupid ******!   ubuntu is better!!!
[01:57] <corincole> lol
[01:57] <Nermal> deeler: faster release cycle, more user friendly out of the box ? :)
[01:57] <kbrooks> corincole: i suggest you be nice
[01:57] <Nermal> he is
[01:57] <deeler> Nermal: what about broken packages ? and the amount of packages ?
[01:57] <Nermal> his humor is just very simple
[01:57] <kestas> is this a support channel?
[01:57] <kestas> or chat?
[01:57] <iiiears> kestas it is a matter of personal preference. - gnome is a little faster and has been developed a bit longer. but KDE is a bit nicer looking with more settings to easily change the desktop appearence.
[01:57] <kbrooks> kestas: both
[01:57] <Nermal> deeler: less packages but still plenty..
[01:57] <Nermal> not many broken ones on stable releases
[01:57] <qiHEWSfi> do you know if changing alsa device mixer settings requires a reboot? i would like to enable as presented center/lfe output in mic connection but the connection does not seem to activate that output..
[01:57] <tttriple> kde is like unpro, kinda fun and childish
[01:58] <Nermal> kestas: it's a n00b-pit :|
[01:58] <tttriple> gnome doesnt put up with shit
[01:58] <Stormx2> Ubuntu is debian with all the differculty taken out ^_^
[01:58] <kbrooks> iiiears: erm, kde > gnome in terms of developing
[01:58] <kbrooks> tttriple: lets not be rude
[01:58] <tttriple> it knows what it wants and wont fuck around
[01:58] <Nermal> kbrooks: hush
[01:58] <Nermal> you flame starter you :)
[01:58] <deeler> Nermal ; the reason why i want to move is because the amd64 support of debian is bad .... what about the ubuntu amd support ?
[01:58] <kbrooks> Nermal: i start flames? dude.
[01:58] <Nermal> deeler: well. ubuntu uses new kernels
[01:58] <kestas> because I have a problem that my interface card isn't getting set up on start up, yet /etc/networks/interfaces is set up okay, and I can set it up manually using ifconfig, yet everyone ignores my question. yet I get in depth responses for 'should I use kde or gnome'
[01:58] <Stormx2> ubuntu supports amd64 fine ^_^
[01:58] <Nermal> so I guess support on a kernel level should be better
[01:58] <tttriple> its because your father is gay
[01:58] <kestas> seems like a chat/opinion chan
[01:59] <Nermal> app wise I dunno.. not used 64 bit ubuntu
[01:59] <Stormx2> if people need help we help them
[01:59] <johnm> Nermal: do ubuntu release a 64bit userland though.. thats the real question :)
[01:59] <Stormx2> stop critisising
[01:59] <tttriple> whoops i reposed a message by accident
[01:59] <kbrooks> Nermal: this is NOT a noob pit
[01:59] <qiHEWSfi> to be noted: kubuntu live torrent is extreeemely slow
[01:59] <Nermal> kbrooks: is it NOT ?
[01:59] <iiiears> i dunno. - grin - i use gnome fast and light. still a lot of ways to change it's appearence.
[01:59] <kestas> Stormx2, I need help, and kbrooks it seems to be
[01:59] <kbrooks> Nermal: nope it isnt
[01:59] <Nermal> bless
[01:59] <stuart_> u still there James?
[01:59] <kestas> eth0 isn't getting set up on startup, yet /etc/networks/interfaces is set up correctly
[01:59] <kbrooks> kestas: well'
[01:59] <kestas> and I can set it up with ifconfig eht0
[01:59] <kestas> *eth0
[01:59] <tttriple> this is a noob pit
[02:00] <johnm> deeler: imo, the best thing for amd64 users is to use a full 64 bit platform. most binary distros dont do it. source ones of course will. although the actual userland isn't totally important, the kernel support is moreso.
[02:00] <kbrooks> kestas: biased answers
[02:00] <Efils_God> ken sent me the audio work when ubuntu starts up flash has audio too but when i try and play an mp3 or a video file there is no audio output available for totem
[02:00] <kbrooks> tttriple: stop it
[02:00] <kbrooks> tttriple: no its not
[02:00] <Nermal> waa waa
[02:00] <Stormx2> kestas: Try resetting your router/modem before booting up
[02:00] <tttriple> it is!
[02:00] <Nermal> toys -> pram
[02:00] <Stormx2> see if that does any good.
[02:00] <kbrooks> tttriple: newbies == more users
[02:00] <tttriple> just read it for like 5 minutes
[02:00] <tttriple> yeah
[02:00] <Nermal> kbrooks: contribute help andstop trying to herd the n00bs
[02:00] <kbrooks> more experts
[02:00] <tttriple> ok
[02:00] <Nermal> :)
[02:00] <kestas> kbrooks, what does that mean? Stormx2 this is an ethernet card which connects to my LAN
[02:00] <tim__> Hi all, is there an easy way of getting PHP to run under Apache using Ubuntu ?
[02:00] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install mod-php4 ?
[02:00] <tttriple> This channel has alot of new users who dont know much about anything , yet.
[02:00] <Stormx2> !lamp
[02:00] <ubotu> lamp is probably Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:00] <deeler> I need a server (asterisk+iptables+cups+ipsec+sshd) with a minimal desktop that needs to be able to run a browser and openoffice , i heard openoffice is problematic on amd64 .  is that true ?
[02:01] <kestas> 'biased answers' just some vague comment because you have no clue kbrooks ?
[02:01] <kbrooks> kestas: no, i'm telling u what i think others are saying about gnome / kde in 2 words
[02:01] <Stormx2> stop flaming.
[02:01] <iiiears> tim__ psst. - there are packages but i would chack out the "L.A.M.P." project at sourceforge
[02:01] <zaydana> where would i find examples from a [library] -examples package? Like the wx-examples one...
[02:02] <tttriple> kde = c hildish     gnome = pro
[02:02] <stuart_> linxeh -- are u there?
[02:02] <kestas> kbrooks, I dont care about gnome/kde, I asked to see whether I would get responses to see if people weren't responding to me or they didn't know about my question
[02:02] <iiiears> LAMP = linux apache mysql php
[02:02] <kestas> and it seems no-one knows about my question
[02:02] <deeler> i'm thinking of installing the latest amd64 server version of ubuntu and manually add all packeges needed for a minimal desktop + ooffice  .... should that work ???
[02:02] <Stormx2> Who cares about which is better? Its you opinion whether you use KDE or GNOME. Stop being flaming newbies and settle down.
[02:02] <kbrooks> tttriple: I prefer GNOME to KDE. KDE segfaulted for me on Arch Linux
[02:03] <kestas> listen I don't care about GNOME vs KDE, I care about why my interface card isn't getting set up on startup
[02:03] <Stormx2> The whole reason both exist is because some people use KDE and some use GNOME.
[02:03] <tttriple> i stoped liking kde once i relised i didnt like it
[02:03] <kbrooks> tttriple: but if GNOME is problematic, i'll use kde then
[02:03] <tttriple> although i hate the gnome logo
[02:03] <Stormx2> kestas: I'm sorry I'm of no help. if i knew a solution I would tell you, but I'm new to this too.
[02:03] <kbrooks> kestas: listen we already told you, restart router
[02:03] <kestas> I asked it to see whether you guys weren't listening to me, or if you didn't understand about my non-moronic question of 'why isn't my card getting set up on startup'?
[02:03] <tttriple> its like wtf im a crap logo
[02:04] <kestas> kbrooks, I told you the card connects to my LAN, not a router
[02:04] <deeler> i'm thinking of installing the latest amd64 server version of ubuntu and manually add all packeges needed for a minimal desktop + ooffice  .... should that work ???
[02:04] <iiiears> deeler - gnome isn't going to eat up that much disk space or processor cycles if you aren't using it. - why add it later?
[02:04] <Nermal> deeler: yup
[02:04] <Nermal> should do
[02:04] <Efils_God> what is the correct output plugin?
[02:04] <bestadvocate> hey guys
[02:04] <kestas> and you're all still going on about kde vs gnome, just like I knew you would, like a load of FAQ bots
[02:04] <Efils_God> for audio
[02:04] <Nermal> Efils_God: for ?
[02:04] <Nermal> alsa ?
[02:04] <kbrooks> kestas: okay.
[02:04] <qt2> err, does anyone know how i'd play audio on my computer in skype under ubuntu? in winows i could just set my "microphone" to be the "line out"
[02:04] <Stormx2> kestas: Can you connect to LAN, but not internet?
[02:04] <kbrooks> i'll stop now
[02:04] <deeler> i would use WindowMaker, our company uses it for about 10  years now
[02:05] <tttriple> kestas, we can talk about it if we want
[02:05] <kbrooks> tttriple: no
[02:05] <Efils_God> sound works but not for media files
[02:05] <Nermal> DENIED
[02:05] <tttriple> just because u started it with your response test, doesnt mean you can stif us
[02:05] <deeler> it's easy to configure and fully dummy-proof
[02:05] <kestas> Stormx2, I can connect to the LAN, but I have to go 'ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>', it doesn't do it by itself on startup
[02:05] <Nermal> Efils_God: what media files
[02:05] <kbrooks> tttriple: do you know #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:05] <tttriple> stop us
[02:05] <kbrooks> ?
[02:05] <Nermal> god.. give us some info
[02:05] <iiiears> deeler - windowmaker - hm - i'll have to check that out.
[02:05] <Efils_God> mp3s divx xvid
[02:05] <iiiears> thanks
[02:05] <tim__> iiiears :  Thanks, Ill give it a go :o)
[02:05] <Efils_God> the video files play but without sound
[02:05] <Nermal> Efils_God: mp3 is apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:05] <tttriple> no i didnt
[02:05] <Nermal> god.. grow up guys
[02:05] <deeler> iiiears, don't expect the features of gnome/kde ... its more minimal
[02:06] <kestas> so I looked at /etc/networks/interfaces, where the startup details are, and it looks like it's in order
[02:06] <Nermal> put your toys back in your prams or leave
[02:06] <kbrooks> tttriple: tal
[02:06] <kbrooks> k t
[02:06] <Stormx2> kestas: Hmm. My thoughts are its trying to do that before bringing up the network interface... but I have no idea.
[02:06] <kbrooks> er
[02:06] <kbrooks> tttriple: talk there
[02:06] <tttriple> whats does tal mean
[02:06] <tttriple> maybe i will
[02:06] <Stormx2> #
[02:06] <kbrooks> tttriple: about gnome / kde
[02:06] <kestas> Stormx2, do what?
[02:06] <Nermal> go bitchfight somewhere else
[02:06] <deeler> anyone got ubuntu+amd64+openoffice? tell me your experiences with it please
[02:06] <Stormx2> #ubuntu-offtopic for bitchfighting
[02:06] <Efils_God> permission denied
[02:06] <tttriple> unless i have a proper bulshit question for this channel
[02:06] <kestas> Stormx2, do what before bringing up the interface
[02:06] <Nermal> Efils_God: sudo fffs
[02:06] <Nermal> -f
[02:06] <Efils_God> lol
[02:06] <kbrooks> lets stop it all
[02:06] <Efils_God> oh yeah
[02:06] <Nermal> jesus
[02:06] <Efils_God> sorry
[02:06] <Stormx2> kestas: Listen, I don't know. Sorry I don't!
[02:07] <kestas> anyone here know anything that doesn't get asked here 1000 times a day?
[02:07] <Stormx2> kestas: I'm new to this, and sometimes people in the channel just flame. Not often.
[02:07] <Nermal> kestas: hush
[02:07] <tttriple> and why would i talk in a idle room
[02:07] <stuart_> lol kestas
[02:07] <tttriple> might as well go talk to my cpu fan
[02:07] <Stormx2> Have fun with that
[02:07] <CoffeeBreaks> trying to help someone remotely to check his ubuntu live CD. How do I make her check the integrity of the CD? Is there a boot option somewhere?
[02:07] <Nermal> tttriple: nah.. cpu fans are just full of hot air ;)
[02:08] <Stormx2> CoffeeBreaks: md5 sum, methinks
[02:08] <deeler> anyone got ubuntu+amd64+openoffice? tell me your experiences with it please
[02:08] <Efils_God> i already have it on the system
[02:08] <Efils_God> newest version
[02:08] <halibut> how can I extract the sound from an avi file to mp3?
[02:08] <iiiears> md5sum - works with the terminal for files never tried to check an already botted CD.
[02:08] <tttriple> has anyone had intocourse? tell me your experences with it please?
[02:08] <CoffeeBreaks> Stormx2: md5sum was OK. I need to check the burnt CD. Usually there's a way to check the CD using a boot option. Knoppix does it.
[02:08] <stuart_> Debian vs Ubuntu --- how come Debian (granted it has older packages) seems a lot snappier -- especially Open Office?
[02:09] <KenSentMe> stuart_: snappier?
[02:09] <kestas> Seveas, can you please help me out? no-one understands what's going wrong
[02:09] <KenSentMe> what's that?
[02:09] <kestas> Seveas, they all just start prattling on about KDEvsGNOME
[02:09] <Seveas> fools...
[02:09] <Seveas> kestas, what's the prob?
[02:09] <Efils_God> is there any more codecs i need other than the ones on the restricted format page?
[02:10] <kestas> eth0 isn't getting set up on startup, yet /etc/networks/interfaces is set up correctly
[02:10] <_native_> good morning all :-)
[02:10] <Seveas> kestas, are you using network-manager?
[02:10] <Efils_God> also how do i unrestrict a folder so i don't have to go into diskmanager to browse it
[02:10] <stuart_> faster open office loads in about 1/3 the time. By the way, how do you make your text red to stand out?
[02:10] <kestas> Seveas, no I've installed the server system
[02:10] <Seveas> kestas, paste your interfaces file on the bin
[02:10] <kestas> Seveas, also I can do ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> fine
[02:10] <iiiears> Hello Seveas :)
[02:10] <Seveas> hi iiiears
[02:11] <hyphenated> kestas: if your /etc/network/interfaces file is set correctly, you should be able to do 'sudo ifup eth0'
[02:11] <hyphenated> kestas: note - not ifconfig
[02:11] <apokryphos> amarok 1.3.5 ubuntu packs are out: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php
[02:11] <kestas> Seveas, that's a bit of a prob because I cant set up dns with ifconfig
[02:11] <Efils_God> what packs are these?
[02:11] <kestas> hyphenated, thanks great idea
[02:11] <kestas> hyphenated, 1 sec Ill try it out
[02:11] <Seveas> kestas, if you have a static IP, dns server addresses go in /etc/resolv.conf
[02:12] <kestas> Seveas, hmm k
[02:12] <NutterUK> Hi
[02:12] <kestas> hyphenated, yes that works fine
[02:13] <kestas> any ideas on why it doesn't do it on startup?
[02:13] <kestas> one thing; I installed it, but then I changed the interface card just after installing it
[02:13] <_native_> do prism2.5 pcmcia usually work out the box?
[02:13] <kestas> because the card doesn't like linux
[02:13] <kestas> could this have messed up a config file?
[02:14] <qiHEWSfi> all interfaces are found in etc/network/interfaces file
[02:14] <kestas> Seveas, I could get the interfaces file for you but I would have to install smbfs and copy it over to this machine, and upload it from here
[02:14] <qiHEWSfi> or type ifconfig in terminal
[02:14] <kestas> and it looks okay
[02:14] <hyphenated> kestas: could have, but I'd look for something more obvious first :-)
[02:14] <kestas> qiHEWSfi, thanks for that nugget of wisdom ;p
[02:14] <Seveas> kestas does it have an 'auto eth0' line?
[02:14] <kestas> Seveas, 1 sec Ill check
[02:14] <qiHEWSfi> kestas yeah well you have to know the basics too :)
[02:14] <iiiears> Seveas you are awesome. ;)
[02:15] <hyphenated> kestas: can you install 'etherconf' and configure it with that?
[02:15] <qiHEWSfi> ifconfig eth0 inet dhcp up
[02:15] <qiHEWSfi> that's all it takes
[02:15] <[matrim] > I need osme help, how do I restrict a user to only access it's home directory, so basicly the home/$user should be the root directory?
[02:15] <amitayk> How do I make Windows my default in the dual boot screen?
[02:15] <kestas> Seveas, nope, I added it, I think you may have cracked it :)
[02:16] <woland_> hello guys! i recently advised a friend to try ubuntu which she like very much, can anyone point me in the direction of a newbies guide that she can learn from?
[02:16] <kestas> Seveas, any idea why it didn't add it itself though?
[02:16] <kestas> Seveas, rebooting now btw
[02:16] <deeler> does ubuntu support the asc39320 SCSI controller ?
[02:16] <qiHEWSfi> if you don't wanna boot just type ifconfig et0 inet dhcp up if the device is working in the hardware level
[02:16] <qiHEWSfi> kestas do that first
[02:16] <kestas> qiHEWSfi, I already have, the device works
[02:16] <kestas> qiHEWSfi, it just doesnt start up automatically
[02:16] <kestas> qiHEWSfi, but it proabbly does now
[02:17] <qiHEWSfi> maybe you need to have auto anyway
[02:17] <qiHEWSfi> or allow-hotplug eth0 and auto eth0
[02:17] <qqqquad> hi there
[02:17] <kestas> riiight
[02:17] <linxeh> deeler: it is supported by the aic79xx module in the kernel, so ubuntu should support it
[02:17] <Murrlin> dangit. how do I move the top toolbar around?
[02:17] <Efils_God> im missing the gstreamer0.8-lame package on synaptic would this be affecting the audio?
[02:17] <deeler> thx linxeh
[02:18] <kestas> Seveas, thanks you nailed it
[02:18] <amitayk> Hi. How do I make Windows XP my default in the dual boot screen?
[02:18] <kestas> Seveas, I owe you one
[02:18] <linxeh> deeler: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/1/Documentation/scsi/aic79xx.txt (the module notes)
[02:18] <[matrim] > anyone good at user acount handling
[02:18] <linxeh> [matrim] : just ask a specific question
[02:18] <kestas> Seveas, I wish this chan had more people like you and hyphenated who dont just talk about KDEvsGNOME and how to mount ntfs volumes
[02:18] <[matrim] > i did and noone replied :P
[02:18] <kestas> bye
[02:19] <linxeh> when they log in ?
[02:19] <[matrim] > I need tp restict a user that accesses from ssh to only be able to acces the home directory
[02:19] <Enlite> I just installed apache2 and php4, but any php file prompts to download..
[02:19] <linxeh> how are they going to run a shell? or ls?
[02:20] <jtan325> anyone know what the mutliverse is?
[02:20] <jtan325> the defaults seem to be broken
[02:20] <jtan325> !multiverse
[02:20] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[02:20] <Stormx2> !repos
[02:20] <ubotu> somebody said sources was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[02:20] <iiiears> amitayk - grub has a config file you can edit using visudo
[02:20] <iiiears> !grub
[02:20] <Seveas> !no multiverse is <reply> see repositories
[02:20] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[02:20] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[02:21] <amitayk> iiiears: Where I can find visudo and that file?
[02:21] <jtan325> thanks
[02:21] <herrpoonstrikes> i cant seem to access ubuntuforums.org
[02:21] <herrpoonstrikes> anyone else having problems?
[02:22] <_jason> herrpoonstrikes:  yes
[02:22] <linxeh> amblin: try the locate command
[02:22] <herrpoonstrikes> thanks
[02:22] <MenZa`> Yep, can't.
[02:22] <MenZa`> I'll try pinging it.
[02:22] <[matrim] > hiw do I restrict SSH users to specific directoried, I don't want them to sniff alt he way back to my /root
[02:22] <qqqquad> Hi there i changed my nick from its previous, and now its diffret, since chaning the nick i have not flamed or been rude
[02:23] <linxeh> [matrim] : did you read my replies ?
[02:23] <nalioth_zZz> [matrim] : restrict their access on the box (user permissions)
[02:23] <qqqquad> therefore i am not the same
[02:23] <jtan325> has anyone gotten dual-head working (not twinview)?
[02:23] <Stormx2> Ack. Seveas, what disadvantages would a root account have?
[02:23] <Stormx2> !root
[02:23] <ubotu> somebody said root was disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:23] <linxeh> gah, why is that wiki on https?!
[02:24] <Efils_God> if i don't have the gstreamer0.8 package is that going to affect audio?
[02:24] <[matrim] > linxeh, sorry, didn't see them, They are going to be shell users
[02:24] <Seveas> (teamwork ;)
[02:24] <linxeh> [matrim] : sure, but if you restrict their access to just their home directory they wont be able to get to /bin for things like their shell and normal userspace commands like ls
[02:25] <iiiears> ami, the file to edit is in /boot/grub  - your editor of choice will need root priv. to edit (psst, i often use gksudo gedit - IMPORTANT CHECK your spelling and syntax twice else a mistake will make life hard after a reboot.)
[02:25] <linxeh> [matrim] : you are better off not allowing people access to things you dont want them to see using directory permissions (making things readable by yourself or a group of users))
[02:26] <qiHEWSfi> so does the alsa system need a reboot for all settings to be recycled?
[02:26] <qiHEWSfi> or is there a direct way of doing that
[02:26] <bestadvocate> Morning everyone (atleast to those in my timezone), I have a big problem with my laptop hard crashing, and I was wondering if anyone has the ability to help me figure out why its happening and how i can stop it.
[02:27] <amitayk> iiiears: I've the priv. but I really don't have a clue how to run an editor from the Ubuntu GUI...
[02:27] <qiHEWSfi> alt-f2
[02:27] <wickedpuppy> amitayk, try this ... sudo gedit /boot/grub
[02:27] <Efils_God> hmm i had xine gstream package installed but not totem is that why it didn't work?
[02:27] <BooZee> is there a program like GAIM which has more features in it?
[02:28] <apokryphos> BooZee: what type of features? Alternatives are Kopete and aMSN
[02:28] <MenZa`> Isn't Kopete for kde though?
[02:28] <iiiears> amitayk - visudo is safer as i believe it checks syntax. but if you are like me vi is a struggle. so "gksudo gedit" will bring up a familiar notepad with root priveledges.
[02:28] <bestadvocate> BooZee: the Gaim developer was recently hired by google, and he is busy integrating the Google instant messanger's Video capacity into Gaim, so, more features to come :)
[02:28] <BooZee> apokryphos:  is aMSN usable for icq and aim too?
[02:28] <apokryphos> MenZa`: you can of course run kde apps in GNOME just fine
[02:28] <apokryphos> BooZee: it is
[02:28] <MenZa`> Beats me. Linux noob. just their website says "The KDE IM"
[02:28] <MenZa`> :P
[02:29] <apokryphos> BooZee: as in, not usable I mean, sorry
[02:29] <MenZa`> but okay :D
[02:29] <Efils_God> now its saying could not open resource for writing
[02:29] <apokryphos> BooZee: it only handles the msn protocol
[02:29] <amitayk> wickedpuppy: Where can I type it? I need a sort of a terminal or something to write it down...
[02:29] <apokryphos> MenZa`: yes, it's KDE's IM. But *all* KDE apps can be run in GNOME
[02:29] <wickedpuppy> amitayk, yes .. in a terminal
[02:29] <MenZa`> Yep, okay :)
[02:29] <apokryphos> providing you have the necessary depends
[02:29] <amitayk> wickedpuppy: And how do I open one?
[02:29] <BooZee> apokryphos:  and kopete can handle more protocols?
[02:29] <waime> apokryphos: Is the same true the other way around - Gnome apps on KDE I mean
[02:30] <wickedpuppy> amitayk, you going to be using terminal often in linux so pls get used to it... accessories ->terminal
[02:30] <apokryphos> BooZee: many, yes
[02:30] <[matrim] > linxeh, thanks, I think I got it fixed now
[02:30] <apokryphos> !tell BooZee about kopete
[02:30] <apokryphos> waime: indeed
[02:30] <BooZee> nice... 10x
[02:30] <waime> apokryphos: Sweet!
[02:31] <amitayk> wickedpuppy: I know that already, but I didn't know how to open one. I've worked with neither a unix-like program nor Linux dist.
[02:31] <iiiears> amitayk - drag and drop it to one of the taskbars it will stick there. - kinda handy actually.
[02:31] <bestadvocate> anyone have any idea on where/how I can find out why my laptop is crashing hard?
[02:31] <wickedpuppy> amitayk, i just told ya... accessories-> terminal
[02:32] <waime> to change from ubuntu to kubuntu (or the other way around) Is it enough to just go through synaptic to get the kubuntu-desktop or the ubuntu-desktop?
[02:32] <jtan325> has anyone gotten dual-head to work?
[02:32] <apokryphos> waime: yes
[02:32] <Efils_God> for gods sake why won't my audio work
[02:33] <Efils_God> is ther any faqs for it?
[02:33] <waime> amitayk: Or right-click the desktop and click 'Open Terminal'
[02:33] <Revellion> jtan325: dual-head in what context? :)
[02:33] <Murrlin> my top toolbar is stuck on the right or left. how do I move it back to the top?
[02:33] <Hendric> hello all
[02:33] <apokryphos> !tell Efils_God about sound
[02:33] <jtan325> Revellion, dual-head with a laptop and a second lcd monitor?
[02:33] <Revellion> should work
[02:33] <waime> Murrlin: right click it and click on properties. It should give you the option to do so
[02:34] <Revellion> most laptops i've seen only have one display pipeline
[02:34] <waime> apokryphos: thanks .
[02:34] <jtan325> yea i have twinview working
[02:34] <Revellion> so there's a choice between Laptop TFT or the external monitor :\
[02:34] <jtan325> but dual-head...
[02:34] <Revellion> jtan325: nvidia?
[02:34] <jtan325> yea
[02:34] <Revellion> jtan325: should be easy
[02:34] <amitayk> iiiears: it's seems I don't have the priv. as I thougth, or I writed something wrong.
[02:34] <jtan325> i know, i thought so
[02:34] <Revellion> to just use tvinview and/or xinerama
[02:34] <jtan325> i've followed the instruction
[02:34] <bobi__> hi everybody
[02:34] <bestadvocate> has anyone else had problems with Synapic running while hard crashes for all of Ubuntu have taken place?
[02:34] <jtan325> what's the difference between xinerama and dual-head?
[02:34] <jtan325> or is xinerama = dual-head?
[02:35] <Revellion> jtan325: Twinview is Nvidia's own version of Xinerama
[02:35] <bestadvocate> hi bobi__
[02:35] <jtan325> nvidia's instructions doesn't mention xinerama at all
[02:35] <Revellion> Xinerama is the official way the Xserver handles dual/triple/your num-headsw
[02:35] <Revellion> *heads
[02:35] <waime> another one: If you have both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop, how do you change between the two? Or are they mutually exclusive?
[02:35] <jtan325> yea so i have twinview working...
[02:35] <jtan325> where i can drag windows between screens
[02:35] <Revellion> jtan325: Clone or Extended?
[02:35] <Efils_God> THANK YOU
[02:35] <jtan325> extended
[02:35] <Efils_God> it works
[02:35] <Revellion> jtan325: ah
[02:35] <Revellion> jtan325: and you desire?
[02:35] <Murrlin> waime: I would but the apps icons are huge and taking up all the space on the panel
[02:35] <bobi__> I'm quite new to ubuntu and am looking for a friendly HTML editor and a FTP client to maintain my website. Which do you recommend?
[02:36] <jtan325> uhhh 'separate screens'
[02:36] <Efils_God> was the fact i had flash using the sound :/
[02:36] <Revellion> jtan325: ah
[02:36] <jtan325> that's what i thought dual-head meant
[02:36] <Revellion> like :0.0 and :0.1 ?
[02:36] <Murrlin> waime: hold-dragging it only moved it to the right or left
[02:36] <bestadvocate> alas i am asking unpopular questions
[02:36] <Revellion> two entirely seperate desktops?
[02:37] <jtan325> yes, i think
[02:37] <spiral_shell> Hi, where are all the fonts stored on ubuntu?  (if it is the same as general linux, I still dont know!)
[02:37] <jtan325> here's my xorg
[02:37] <Revellion> jtan325: dcc it my way
[02:37] <iiiears> bobi - check out mozilla's NVU editor. - full featured wysiwyg
[02:37] <Revellion> and i'll fix it up for ya
[02:37] <jtan325> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3596
[02:37] <Revellion> or use pastebin..
[02:38] <jtan325> it seems consistent with nvidia's instructions, as well as other people's xorg's i've found on google
[02:38] <bestadvocate> bobi__ i would seccond iiiears motion
[02:38] <Revellion> jtan325: it seems in order
[02:38] <jtan325> hmmm yea
[02:38] <Revellion> also i don't see TwinView activated at all :|
[02:39] <jtan325> well right now i am using twinview
[02:39] <jtan325> i thought dual-head was independent of twinview
[02:39] <waime> Murrlin: there's usually enough space if you right-click enough times or right at the edges (so top and bottom in your case)... otherwise I'm sure there's a config file somewhere that lets you hard-code it, but I don't know where... sory :(
[02:39] <jtan325> so i have two xorg's
[02:39] <jtan325> the problem i get when i use the dual-head xorg
[02:39] <Revellion> jtan325: it depends. that config you have in the pastebin
[02:39] <Murrlin> well I had to delete two of the app icons
[02:39] <Revellion> should theoretically give 2 X screens
[02:39] <Murrlin> it's back now. *curse*
[02:39] <Revellion> :0.0 and :0.1
[02:39] <jtan325> yea
[02:39] <jtan325> do i have to do anything else?
[02:39] <jtan325> the problem i'm getting is that
[02:39] <Revellion> hmm
[02:39] <jtan325> gdm starts up, but the login screen doesn't appear...
[02:40] <jtan325> my laptop screen and my external monitor are both black
[02:40] <Murrlin> my next problem is how do I determine why I can't ping from one machine to the other? (only two, connected by crossover cable)
[02:40] <jtan325> and my external monitor appears to not be receiving input...
[02:40] <Bluemat> Anyone know of an text editor that has FTP built in??
[02:40] <Bluemat> besides emacs..
[02:40] <jtan325> the little green light on the power button goes to orange, if that makes any sense
[02:40] <jtan325> but
[02:40] <jtan325> i can see my cursor
[02:40] <jtan325> and i can type my login and password, it logs in
[02:40] <tom__> one more thing guys how do i make it so i have permanent access to my windows documents folder i keep on having to go to system disks and browsing from there
[02:40] <jtan325> but nothing shows still
[02:40] <jtan325> except my cursor
[02:41] <pirate> Is Ubuntuforums down? Or is it on my side?
[02:41] <jtan325> and my cursor can only move within the laptop screen's bounds
[02:41] <jtan325> pirate, i think it's down
[02:41] <jtan325> Revellion, does that make any sense?
[02:41] <Revellion> jtan325: it makes sense yup
[02:41] <iiiears> tom__ drag and drop your "My Documents" folder to the windows "Shared Documents" folder???
[02:42] <Revellion> jtan325: that has a simple reason
[02:42] <Revellion> the two screens are then seperate
[02:42] <bestadvocate> hello,  has anyone here have an idea were I might find help for a sudden and violent crashing that happens on my laptop while running the stable version of breezy?
[02:42] <Revellion> you could use a ugly hack to get between the two screens
[02:42] <Revellion> gonna see if i can find it
[02:42] <jtan325> uhhh
[02:42] <dcardamo> Does anyone know how to configure wpa_supplicant to connect to WEP networks using a WEP password?  I've only seen examples where it uses wep keys.
[02:42] <sorush20> hi.. guys..
[02:42] <amitayk> iiiears: I've successed to open the correct file (hopefully), but I don't know what to do next.
[02:42] <jtan325> so how would one get the cursor from one screen to the other?
[02:42] <tom__> ill try that but if that works i shouldn't be able to access it through the systems disk? Or does ubuntu hack the folder to access it?
[02:42] <waime> tom__: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[02:42] <sorush20> how you doing.. so there are really no viruses for linux at all..
[02:42] <cionimba> Hi!
[02:43] <jtan325> and i can live without an ugly hack, i'd rather get something to actually show up first :-)
[02:43] <bestadvocate> Hi, cionimba
[02:43] <iiiears> amitayk - congrats. - a bit intimidating at first but you'll do fine.
[02:43] <Revellion> jtan325: there's a tool i remember using
[02:43] <Revellion> jtan325: that warps the pointer over to the other screen
[02:43] <tom__> aha thanks
[02:43] <qiHEWSfi> wohoo it only takes 9 hours for ubuntu live torrent to complete on a T1 .. blllaaaah
[02:43] <jtan325> hrmmmm
[02:44] <qiHEWSfi> i'm almost done
[02:44] <Revellion> jtan325: then there's also... you could use Synergy to allow such behaviour :\
[02:44] <cionimba> Does anybody of you know how to configure LTSP sound on Ubuntu Breezy?
[02:44] <Revellion> jtan325: so that if your pointer goes past the right-side of the Laptop screen it warps to the other screen
[02:44] <jtan325> well i can live with twinview
[02:44] <amitayk> iiiears: There is a saying in Hebrew: "Maybe yes, a maybe not..."
[02:44] <amitayk> iiiears: There is a saying in Hebrew: "Maybe yes, and maybe not..."
[02:44] <jtan325> it'd be nice if i could set the default screen though
[02:44] <jtan325> in twinview
[02:44] <Revellion> jtan325: hmm?
[02:44] <Revellion> jtan325: the "RightOf" "LeftOf" decides that :\
[02:44] <iiiears> amitayk - check out the examples in these links. - but make sure you back up the original file and check your changes to the working file at least twice before you reboot.
[02:45] <iiiears> !grub
[02:45] <ubotu> I heard grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[02:45] <Revellion> jtan325: the screen that is to the left sort of becomes the default screenw
[02:45] <waime> amitayk: "what is sure, is that maybe" is the end of that saying I believe ;)
[02:45] <Revellion> or more like
[02:45] <qiHEWSfi> Yeah and if that sound expert could help me with the ALSA settings on my aureon fun .. do need to reboot to change the mic line mode from input to center/pfe output
[02:45] <Revellion> Screen 0 is the default
[02:45] <qiHEWSfi> do you know how to recycle the alsa driver and related systems..?
[02:45] <jtan325> yea i'd like to change that
[02:45] <Enlite> ubuntuforums.org down :(
[02:45] <bestadvocate> well, sorry if my repeated questions sounded like spam everyone, I shall bid you farewell.
[02:45] <jtan325> i'd like my laptop monitor to be my default screen
[02:46] <jtan325> and it's on the right of my external monitor
[02:46] <Belutz> jdub, you around?
[02:46] <jtan325> kind of anti-traditional setup
[02:46] <Ng> jtan325: so set the external monitor as screen 1 and leftof screen 0
[02:46] <jtan325> but that's the space constraint my small desk imposed :-)
[02:46] <jtan325> hmmm Ng?
[02:46] <Tiran> hi is there an apt-get isntall command for freenx install?
[02:47] <[matrim] > where to I turn of the "always save settings on ogout"?
[02:47] <jtan325> i'm not sure how to do that...
[02:47] <jtan325> ut
[02:47] <Tiran> any recommened FAQs?
[02:47] <Ng> jtan325: you should really read the twinview docs then :)
[02:47] <apokryphos> !tell Tiran about freenx
[02:47] <jtan325> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3597
[02:47] <Goan> problem:
[02:47] <Goan> ubuntu 5.10
[02:47] <Goan> get mozilla flash working.
[02:47] <Goan> question:
[02:47] <Goan> what reprository, what package?
[02:47] <jtan325> that's my xorg with twinview
[02:47] <Revellion> Goan: Universe
[02:47] <apokryphos> !tell Goan about enter
[02:47] <apokryphos> Revellion: multiverse
[02:47] <Revellion> ouch
[02:47] <Revellion> my bad :\
[02:47] <apokryphos> Goan: flashplayer-mozilla
[02:48] <apokryphos> there's also a flash-nonfree (or something), but haven't tried that
[02:48] <Revellion> aah, indeed multiverse
[02:48] <Revellion> should've checked my apt first :)
[02:48] <Ng> jtan325: your TwinViewOrientation entry is wrong by the looks of it, it should be something like "CRT-1 LeftOf CRT-0", but like I said, you should read the twinview docs
[02:48] <jtan325> hmm i have an idea of how to do it
[02:48] <jtan325> one question:
[02:48] <jtan325> to set my laptop screen as 0, and the other as 1?
[02:48] <apokryphos> Revellion: I normally just deduce what it would be considering the different components (/msg ubotu components)
[02:49] <Goan> multiverse means what?
[02:49] <jtan325> i do that in the Section "ServerLayout"?
[02:49] <jtan325> i.e. Screen 0 "LaptopScreen"
[02:49] <Enlite> can anyone get to ubuntuforums.org?
[02:49] <amitayk> iiiears: I should write 3 in the default option for choosing the forth booting option. Am I correct?
[02:49] <Ng> jtan325: I have no idea, I have an nvidia card with two monitor outputs, so I swap Screen 0 and Screen 1 with monitor cables ;)
[02:49] <jtan325> Screen 1 "ExternalScreen"?
[02:49] <apokryphos> Enlite: it's probably down; #ubuntuforums for clarification
[02:49] <jtan325> hmm ok
[02:49] <amitayk> waime: Well, it's another saying.
[02:49] <apokryphos> Goan: /msg ubotu components    and /msg ubotu repositories
[02:50] <iiiears> amitayk - i have posted my file is -not- dual boot but then more examples can't be bad right? - http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/405188
[02:50] <falke> plz info about free nx..?infos?
[02:50] <psycode> I'm trying to ssh into an ubuntu system, and login in as root. but what should i enter as the password to root ? (the password of sudo isn't the password of root..)
[02:50] <apokryphos> !freenx
[02:50] <ubotu> I guess freenx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[02:51] <falke> !freenx
[02:51] <falke> thx
[02:51] <iiiears> !ssh
[02:51] <ubotu> ssh is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[02:51] <iiiears> !scp
[02:51] <ubotu> iiiears: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:51] <waime> !ssh
[02:51] <apokryphos> Guys, investigate with ubotu in /msg
[02:51] <waime> !freenx
[02:51] <ubotu> somebody said freenx was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[02:51] <qiHEWSfi> do i need to reboot for alsa device micinline mode change to catch up?
[02:52] <iiiears> apok, - psycode needed the info.
[02:52] <hexman4> hey.. how does one reconfigure their login script?
[02:52] <waime> sorry all
[02:52] <Goan> have i got it correctly... ubotu is some kind of software robot...
[02:52] <waime> anyway, thanks for the help. Ciao!
[02:52] <aftertaf> goan he s a bot
[02:53] <aftertaf> irc blootbot
[02:53] <Goan> thnx.
[02:53] <hexman4> hey.. how does one reconfigure their login script?
[02:53] <Goan> thanx for warning me about asking 3 questions in a row, but....
[02:53] <Goan> nobody answers the questions anyway...
[02:54] <hexman4> cause when i start up my machine, it looks weird, and says theres an invalid command on my loginscript
[02:54] <aftertaf> hexman4:  does it say which one? is it a standalone pc?
[02:54] <hexman4> this is a standalone pc
[02:54] <Bluemat> Anyone know of an text editor that has FTP built in??
[02:54] <Goan> do you say, that if I have this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[02:54] <sjmurdoch> Bluemat: Emacs has ange-ftp mode
[02:55] <Goan> in my /etc/apt/sources.lst then I can get mozilla-flashplayer
[02:55] <hexman4> aftertaf: i thought it would be like dpkg-reconfigure or something....
[02:55] <hexman4> but i dont know what to give it
[02:55] <apokryphos> Goan: yes, follow the instructions for adding the repository
[02:55] <qiHEWSfi> you should have main restricted universe multiverse . unless you want everything you get to be open-source have main universe
[02:56] <Bluemat> sjmurdoch, besides emacs..
[02:56] <qiHEWSfi> really no need to not use the one mentioned first
[02:57] <hexman4> aftertaf: any ideas?
[02:58] <aftertaf> hexman4:  hard to say. we ned to know the error message to know what the remey can be.
[02:58] <Amaranth> are the forums down for anyone else?
[02:58] <henryson_> how do i restart gstreamer?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: smeg is working nicely in breezy - any plans to make browsing for icons more visual? At the moment it's kind of hard to see what you're getting...
[02:59] <aftertaf> Amaranth:  which ones?
[02:59] <Bluemat> Anyone know of an text editor that has FTP built in besides emacs?
[02:59] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Done.
[02:59] <pirate> I built a legacy nvidia kernel and installed the image, but the load ain't finding the kernel ... I built this with a custom kernel, but I've recently switched to installing kernels the Debian way... What am I missing? Final step to make the module?
[02:59] <andreas__> what is the default apache2 www root? can't seem to find in
[02:59] <andreas__> it
[02:59] <Amaranth> aftertaf: ubuntuforums.org
[02:59] <pirate> s/load/loader
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: really? New debs or source?
[03:00] <iiiears> andreas - httdocs?
[03:00] <iiiears> andreas - httdocs?
[03:00] <andreas__> yes
[03:00] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: it's a beta
[03:00] <andreas__> where is it
[03:00] <pirate> I would look around... but ubuntuforms is my saviour... and it's down
[03:01] <adam_r> would anyone know why when i visit flahs pages my firefox crahses a few keyframes into the movie,
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: aha - I'll be interested to see it :)
[03:01] <iiiears> andreas - ok. - lol now i am lost too. httdocs is root.
[03:01] <aftertaf> Amaranth:  would seem so...
[03:02] <Swearingen> ubotu: universal?
[03:02] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Swearingen
[03:02] <andreas__> where is the htdocs forlder. The folder to put the html files in
[03:02] <adam_r> in var/www
[03:02] <hexman4> aftertaf: check pm
[03:02] <aftertaf> gotcha hexman4  ;)
[03:03] <andreas__> I thought is was /var/www
[03:03] <adam_r> yeah sorryu /var/www
[03:03] <qiHEWSfi> if you want something other then nvidia defaults you could check out omega drivers for linux driver sets : http://www.omegadrivers.net/ . dont know if they have linux drivers, but the bios settings can improve your framerates also in ubuntu
[03:03] <PainKiller> could be in your homedir andreas__
[03:03] <PainKiller> /home/you/htdocs ?
[03:04] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: http://www.realistanew.com/images/alacarte/icons.png
[03:04] <Stormx2> I'm creating a Internet Explorer entry in the GNOME menu, what command should i use. At the moment I have wine /home/barney/.wine/dosdevices/c%3A/windows/iexplore.exe - this does nothing
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: thank you !
[03:04] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: If you want to see more join #menueditor
[03:04] <pirate> The NV module & GLX were both working when I installed from source (and nvidia-glx-legacy), but when I rebooted they ceased.
[03:04] <andreas__> can't be /var/www becouse it contain stuff. Whan I browse my server it dont show anything
[03:04] <pirate> So hopefully building the deb will sort it out
[03:05] <adam_r> ie - ewww
[03:05] <Stormx2> I know
[03:05] <hexman4> aftertaf: check pm
[03:05] <Stormx2> but i need it for web developing
[03:05] <PainKiller> webdevvers
[03:05] <hans> pirate, did you also install glx-legacy?
[03:05] <PainKiller> need it
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: maybe tomorrow - it's late here so I'll be gone in a few
[03:05] <PainKiller> indeed
[03:05] <adam_r> may i ask why you need ie in linux? not questioning just asking
[03:05] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: ok
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: thanks for the link :)
[03:05] <Stormx2> Web Developing
[03:05] <adam_r> i see
[03:05] <Stormx2> It will be a great world when everyone uses Firefox, but untill then I need to see what it looks like in IE
[03:06] <Stormx2> I have it installed and I can run it in terminal with that command
[03:06] <Stormx2> wine /home/barney/.wine/dosdevices/c%3A/windows/iexplore.exe
[03:06] <pirate> Omg. This whole thing is wobbly now.
[03:06] <PainKiller> in Winxp, I still use an IE-based browser - Maxthon
[03:06] <PainKiller> a lot of sites don't show well in firefox
[03:06] <Stormx2> in windows i Use K-Meleon
[03:06] <Stormx2> No but really
[03:06] <Stormx2> what would be the command.
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: just had a look at the screenshot - looks cool :)
[03:07] <PainKiller> i have no clue, Stormx2, sorry
[03:07] <pirate> hans, still - nvidia.ko is non-existant
[03:07] <hans> ok
[03:07] <Stormx2> Nevermind, I have it now.
[03:07] <PainKiller> Stormx2: you checked wine parameters in console?
[03:07] <Stormx2> Yes. Turns out the character escaping messed it up
[03:08] <Stormx2> Its working fine now
[03:08] <Stormx2> :) Thanks anyway
[03:08] <PainKiller> cool
[03:08] <pirate> What's the make-kpkg equiv. for make modules modules_install ?
[03:08] <pepper> hallo
[03:09] <_native_> man make-kpkg
[03:09] <pirate> Fair enough =)
[03:09] <taiho> Question: During Boot-up after installing the linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-686 and booting it up my system said something about VFS: No Ext3. I use a ReiserFS system for my /
[03:09] <pepper> i can.t instal gaim 1.15
[03:09] <pirate> apt-get install man... *twiddle thumbs*
[03:09] <_native_> or the module-assistant tool
[03:09] <TriKster-Abacus> oops
[03:09] <pepper> where i can find it
[03:09] <pirate> The module-ASSistant tool won't build the legacy... at least I don't know how to make it build the legacy...
[03:10] <Belutz> pepper, sudo apt-get gaim
[03:10] <_native_> lol
[03:10] <Belutz> pepper, sudo apt-get install gaim
[03:10] <qiHEWSfi> what do you know of the sdl error can't set palette that dosbox gives me
[03:10] <pepper> tnx i go try it
[03:10] <qiHEWSfi> i just need to run two stupid dos programs
[03:10] <qiHEWSfi> and dosbox won't start
[03:11] <qiHEWSfi> well, i could get dos 7.10 and have a real dos
[03:11] <qiHEWSfi> maybe will do that
[03:11] <iiiears> freedos?
[03:11] <thrush> taiho: I get same message and use reiser never really looked into it...
[03:12] <taiho> thrush, it works fine for you though? If so I am ok :P
[03:12] <qiHEWSfi> http://www.hilf-los.de/1dlmanager/download.php?id=86 figure the german page and get a enhanced true dos enviroment from a bootable cd
[03:12] <Morrowyn> damnit, my samba server cant be found on the workgroup :-/
[03:12] <thrush> taiho: fine for about 6mo ;)
[03:12] <hexman4> hey.. how does one reconfigure their gdm.conf?
[03:12] <taiho> thrush, thanks. Then I can breath normally :P
[03:13] <pepper> sorry i can not find it
[03:13] <iiiears> hexman - is your display resolution not set up right?
[03:13] <caonex> For my laptop i am forced to use vga=0 or vga=771 in order for ubuntu to finish loading. With or without the parameters, i am unable to see the splash loading screen. Is there a way to make ubuntu detect the monitor and not have to use vga and make it accept or work with vesafb?
[03:13] <ncp> does ubuntu support mounting of cue/bin files?
[03:14] <Bluemat> Anyone know of an text editor that has FTP built in besides emacs?
[03:14] <iiiears> ncp - check out sourceforge. - there is a project there have to apologize for not remembering it's title.
[03:14] <thrush> ncp: i could be wrong i thing you need to convert to iso
[03:14] <hexman4> iiiears: no.. it just gives me an error msg when i try to login
[03:14] <pepper> sorry i find not the new gaim 1.1.5
[03:15] <iiiears> hexman4, - what does the error say?
[03:15] <pepper> i can not instal 1.1.5
[03:15] <ncp> well theres is software to kde that can, so there should be one for gnome to
[03:15] <wickedpuppy> pepper, gaim is .. 1.5 on my ubuntu
[03:15] <wickedpuppy> why you want 1.5 ?
[03:15] <pepper> tnx
[03:15] <wickedpuppy> i mean 1.1.5
[03:16] <qiHEWSfi> if you have an older motherboard with ac'97 you will get full audio support for all games..
[03:16] <pepper> but i understand noting from this programm unbunto
[03:16] <adam_r> may i ask why you need ie in linux? not questioning just asking
[03:16] <qiHEWSfi> without ANY fighting with your retrogames
[03:16] <adam_r> would anyone know why when i visit flahs pages my firefox crahses a few keyframes into the movie,
[03:16] <pepper> i have the 1.1.4
[03:16] <hexman4> iiiears: check pm
[03:16] <qiHEWSfi> grub can boot it
[03:16] <wickedpuppy> pepper, you got 1.1.4 ?
[03:16] <pepper> yes en wil the 1.1.5
[03:16] <wickedpuppy> pepper, can you type this ? gaim -v
[03:16] <pepper> no
[03:16] <wickedpuppy> show me the output
[03:17] <wickedpuppy> gaim 1.1.* should be very old now
[03:17] <pepper> oke
[03:17] <wickedpuppy> pls update
[03:17] <iiiears> hexman4 - sry, i haven't seen that before.
[03:17] <pepper> i can not update
[03:17] <pepper> i try now fot 3 days for the new wan
[03:17] <wickedpuppy> pepper, are you using ubuntu ?
[03:17] <carecca> what package do i need to install to get dh_testdir ?
[03:17] <pepper> yes  i believe
[03:18] <wickedpuppy> pepper, sudo apt-get update
[03:18] <pepper> oke tnx
[03:18] <pepper> i try it now
[03:18] <hexman4> ok.. well when i upgraded to breezy it asked should i change it or keep the new one, so me being an idiot, kept the old one.. i think that might be the prob
[03:18] <ccooke> carecca: debhelper (dpkg -S dh_testdir)
[03:19] <hexman4> iiiears: check a few lines up
[03:19] <thrush> ncp: you could always apt-get whatever u use in kde..
[03:19] <carecca> ccooke: it could not be found
[03:19] <_native_> when will hardened ubuntu tools, packs, etc.. be included in the main repos
[03:20] <_native_> so i dont have to grab and build everything my self all the time
[03:20] <taiho> NTFS Mount was this and what addition? /dev/hdb1 /media/windows ro,user,auto, 0 0
[03:21] <carecca> ERROR: SDL_GL_LoadLibrary libGL.so.1 failed: No dynamic GL support in video driver
[03:21] <taiho> NTFS Mount was this and what addition? /dev/hdb1 /media/windows ntfs ro,user,auto, 0 0
[03:21] <henryson_> is there a nice friendly gui for setting up apache?
[03:21] <wickedpuppy> _native_, hardened ubuntu tools ?? can name one ?
[03:21] <eriksti> Hey .. anyone know of a good tool to generate UML from C++ code?
[03:21] <carecca> i get that when i try to run quake4 anon know what might be the problem ?
[03:21] <wickedpuppy> henryson_, webmin
[03:22] <_native_> vsecurity, selinux, ssp, pax, blah.....
[03:22] <qiHEWSfi> hey you dont need to fight with dos emulators and virtual enviroments , dos 7.10 is free and has moderate support for audio devices. mainly the ac'97 integrated chip in many middle-age'd pc's gives you full audio support and with the univbe drivers for your wideo carrd you will have TOTAL support for DOS games! get the bootable install disk http://www.hilf-los.de/1dlmanager/download.php?id=86
[03:22] <henryson_> isn't that a webserver in itself?
[03:22] <thrush> taiho: u looking for umask=0000 ?
[03:22] <Franzfranz> hi all
[03:22] <wickedpuppy> henryson_, webmin is not web server
[03:22] <taiho> thread, thanks once again :)
[03:22] <wickedpuppy> henryson_, www.webmin.org
[03:22] <qiHEWSfi> that's a friendly advice
[03:22] <Stormx2> guys, what is the difference between BMP and XMMS?
[03:22] <taiho> thrush, but I have seen people use umask=0002
[03:23] <wickedpuppy> Stormx2, xmms is audio player ... bmp is ... no idea what
[03:23] <Stormx2> they look like the same kinda thing
[03:23] <Franzfranz> Anyone uses the Jack Connection Kit with ALSA ?
[03:23] <Stormx2> BMP = Bit Music player
[03:23] <thrush> taiho: for my normal user i use either 0000 or 0100 dont know if that would be same for you
[03:23] <wickedpuppy> Stormx2, can bmp use gstreamer codec ?
[03:23] <Stormx2> Beep music player
[03:23] <Stormx2> actually
[03:23] <Stormx2> Not sure.
[03:24] <Stormx2> XMMS has MPEG-3 support built-in
[03:24] <Stormx2> :-\
[03:24] <Broness> hi guyz!!! =)
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> Stormx2, not built in ...
[03:24] <Stormx2> well
[03:24] <qiHEWSfi> that dos 7.10 enviroment supports fat32 too
[03:24] <taiho> thrush, I used umask=0002 now and it works fine. Don't know if it might has to do with experimental write drivers or something...
[03:24] <Stormx2> it was the first thing I installed when i installed breezy yesterday
[03:24] <Stormx2> and it played MP3s straight off.
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> Stormx2, you must have installed gstreamer as well
[03:25] <taiho> Is there any drivers for NTFS that allows rw, found some for mandrake a long time ago that worked.
[03:25] <Stormx2> wickedpuppy: No i didn't.  I know its a restricted format. Try it for yourself.
[03:25] <Broness> how do you run programs that need active x in linux? =)
[03:26] <ncp> thrush, well i use gnome :( but found bchunk that could do the job
[03:26] <johnm> Broness: wine or cedega
[03:26] <wickedpuppy> mp3 is by default not enabled in ubuntu
[03:26] <Stormx2> Broness: I don't think you can
[03:26] <Stormx2> Broness: it won't work in WINE for me.
[03:26] <taiho> johnm, do they work for Ubuntu?
[03:26] <aftertaf> taiho:  there is captive too...
[03:26] <johnm> taiho: FUSE is a 2.6 kernel module. if you ahve the fuse userland tools, it will work on any 2.6 kernel.
[03:26] <wickedpuppy> Stormx2, i been using ubuntu for 1+ years ... you ?
[03:26] <qiHEWSfi> so if you have ac'97 and download a univbe dos mode universal video driver that's free and works on almost any cards giving full svga support for dos, that is the perfect dos platform after you get http://www.hilf-los.de/1dlmanager/download.php?id=86
[03:27] <waime> forgot to say - UBUNTUFORUMS IS UP, it's the DNS that's down.
[03:27] <waime> FLeiXiuS	The domain server is down for the forums. Please use : http://<IP_ADDRESS> while we resolve the problem.
[03:27] <taiho> Thanks for the help. I'll wait untill there is a good support for NTFS under linux.
[03:28] <PainKiller> taiho: you running dual boot?
[03:28] <qiHEWSfi> you can share your dos 7.10 fat32 partition with ubuntu for example..
[03:28] <waime> taiho: You want to be reading from or writing to NTFS?
[03:28] <taiho> PainKiller, yes, I am running dual boot with a NTFS drive to be able to use large files on windows
[03:28] <punkie> I need to install the package 855resolution because i have a Intel graphic-chip
[03:28] <qiHEWSfi> i plan on installing permanent on my machine ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, opensuse, openbsd and dos 7.10 .. talk about good support with no fuzz
[03:29] <johnm> taiho: it's best if you can to make a new vfat partition
[03:29] <taiho> waime, I am already reading from and it would be fun to be able to write to NTFS. But I'll just boot into windows instead.
[03:29] <qiHEWSfi> and separate ubuntu platforms for different kind of jobs
[03:29] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: seems like such a pointless task
[03:29] <PainKiller> taiho: i use another server in my network that uses samba, for intermediate storage
[03:29] <UpS> hi guys, does ubuntuforums working now?
[03:29] <punkie> but apt-get doesn't find the package
[03:29] <_root_> hello
[03:29] <qiHEWSfi> think i will use ubuntu for common use, kubuntu for graphics, multimedia, games, opensuse for programming, openbsd for secure connections and dos 7.10 for legacy games which really still rock and are free!
[03:30] <PainKiller> thats how I get files from ubuntu to my ntfs drives
[03:30] <punkie> does someone know the right servers to get it
[03:30] <qiHEWSfi> check out www.the-underdogs.org and tell me you dont need a dos platform
[03:30] <PainKiller> i can't read ext2 in winxp
[03:30] <waime> taiho: Right you are! Good luck with writing to it tho :S It's already a thrill to write to NTFS- Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get :P
[03:30] <UpS> it was a nice topic there how to install and tweak microsoft fonts on ububtu...
[03:30] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: Im quite happy with something like freedos + qemu/vmware
[03:30] <taiho> PainKiller, if you use Totalcommander there is a plugin to read ext2/3 on their homepage
[03:30] <Broness> what is cedega?
[03:30] <PainKiller> ok taiho, thanks, i'll look into that
[03:31] <Broness> how do i download it for ubuntu?
[03:31] <qiHEWSfi> and my upcoming net-studies in a finnish lukio will be done with edubuntu which will greatly be enhanced in the next apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[03:31] <taiho> waime, yes, I know. I'll just boot to windows when I need to write to the NTFS disk
[03:31] <PainKiller> taiho: does that plugin write to ext2/3 ?
[03:31] <johnm> Broness: like wine, but forked and geared more towards gamers. check out cedega on the web
[03:31] <_root_> doubt regarding nscd!!
[03:31] <taiho> PainKiller, I use it myself when in windows and it works like a charm. I believe it can write to it.
[03:31] <PainKiller> cool
[03:31] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: and why not use a normal ubuntu install? :)
[03:31] <qiHEWSfi> taiho i think ntfs is dead for a linux user. fat32 is the compatible system for simple sharing, ntfs is the windowz killer which is sort of a prison for your data
[03:31] <derchilligephil> hi!
[03:32] <Broness> does cedega have a service for free or for a fee? =)
[03:32] <qiHEWSfi> johm because i wanna have that system on my machine
[03:32] <derchilligephil> what should i use for a graphic lib?
[03:32] <wickedpuppy> Broness, google for cedega ...
[03:32] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: then install it.
[03:32] <qiHEWSfi> and after i install another
[03:32] <derchilligephil> GTK. Motif
[03:32] <waime> PainKiller: Use explore2fs
[03:32] <waime> Broness: it's $3 per month
[03:32] <derchilligephil> what is recommened
[03:32] <taiho> My system doesn't seem to have full support for ALSA installed. What are the files needed to install correctly?
[03:32] <derchilligephil> GTK ?
[03:32] <UpS> Hi All! Can anybody help me?
[03:32] <wickedpuppy> derchilligephil, you forgot qt ?
[03:33] <_root_> after starting service nscd, whenever i try to add password for a new user then it fails.. how can i add the password to the nscd cache?
[03:33] <Swearingen> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release.gpg: Temporary failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[03:33] <derchilligephil> i want to download azureus
[03:33] <derchilligephil> :)
[03:33] <Swearingen> anyone seeing that?
[03:33] <derchilligephil> and there is GTK and motif
[03:33] <qiHEWSfi> johm hd i can just divide the whole system with insert network and hd anylysis disc called 'insert'
[03:33] <wickedpuppy> derchilligephil, i was told motif azureus is faster ...
[03:33] <manuvcube> UpS: just ask
[03:33] <derchilligephil> ah k
[03:33] <wickedpuppy> but i use gtk version and its fine :P
[03:33] <qiHEWSfi> johm just run ubuntu install in expert mode and reinstall grub afterwards
[03:33] <derchilligephil> i have severall problems setting up azureus
[03:33] <wickedpuppy> derchilligephil, #azureus-users
[03:33] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: i still dont see the pointy personally. one install is more than capable of doing all that itself. I think what would be a better use of time would be to learn how :)
[03:34] <derchilligephil> on this server?
[03:34] <wickedpuppy> yup
[03:34] <derchilligephil> nice
[03:34] <derchilligephil> thx
[03:34] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: of course, whatever you want to do really.
[03:34] <wickedpuppy> np :P
[03:34] <_root_> johnm: can u answer my question ?
[03:34] <punkie> does any one know a apt-get server to download 855resolution?
[03:34] <johnm> _root_: not got a clue im afraid.
[03:35] <qiHEWSfi> johnm points: major wisdom in linux, which is not on just debian but the best of the best, good support for anything you need, and let alone the handyness of just booting to your os which suits your work. no interruptions sort of
[03:35] <UpS> I need a nice doco how to setup ms core fonts on ubuntu and how to make fonts looks like in windows. i think ububtu has bytecode interpreter switched "on" in freetype so only some config tweaks needs to be done as I think....anybody can help or point to the link?
[03:36] <UpS> it was a topic on ububtuforums.org but the forum looks like in down now...
[03:36] <_root_> johnm: when running nscd and a package adds a user, the script will fail
[03:36] <_root_> (nscd caches old passwd table):
[03:36] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: that made no real sense.. but I think if what you're saying is using more than just debian will help you... then you're probably right. Debian imo isn't the most ideal of development platforms but a single OS (linux especially since I know it well enough to comment) is more than capable of doing all that without needing multiple installations
[03:36] <qiHEWSfi> johnm the platforms are afterwards specialized to fit your needs when doing the spesific job, and frankly, the opensuse is itself the perfect programming platform
[03:37] <qiHEWSfi> johnm and your fat32 with dos 7.10 contains every legacy game and they _work_ , then kubuntu for some hc network fps
[03:37] <manuvcube> 	ups: The domain server is down for the forums. Please use : http://<IP_ADDRESS> while we resolve the problem.
[03:38] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: Well I'd ask why you didnt think about vmware? then I'd ask why you can't install the dev libs/tools on ubuntu to give you the same functionality, then I'd ask why you can't have everything you need on a single install :)
[03:38] <[matrim] > hey, is there a program to monitor SSH connections?
[03:38] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: and you can install dos 7.10 on vmware, without needing to reboot.
[03:39] <qiHEWSfi> johnm isnt't the bios boot cd system the thing that is hardware-made to work for that
[03:39] <UpS> manuvcube, thanks for this! :)
[03:39] <manuvcube> uw
[03:39] <andris> hello...
[03:39] <qiHEWSfi> johnm you can't really emulate everything and expect everything to work
[03:39] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: a bios boot cd system? I have no idea what one of them are ;)
[03:39] <_root_> johnm: hope you got it
[03:40] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: vmware doesn't emulate.
[03:40] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: vmware, xen etc are virtualised servers, so they are totallyt different.
[03:40] <johnm> qiHEWSfi: it's the same as running it on real hardware, except the hardware isn't neccessarily real.
[03:40] <_root_> anybody there to answer my question ?
[03:40] <qiHEWSfi> johnm ill check out wmwave
[03:40] <Broness> johnm: is there anyway to "bypass" active x in ubuntu?
[03:40] <[matrim] > i need program that shows who's connected to me via ssh. any tips?
[03:41] <andris> i'm linux newbie... how to change the monitor refresh rate??
[03:41] <qiHEWSfi> johnm do you know of the official website?
[03:41] <johnm> Broness: not really no. activex is a component of a windows app-design. what is asking you about activex?