[00:02] <MarianoAlipi> Hey, guys. I have a question. I own a 2011 MacBook Pro. I have OS X and Windows 10 installed via Boot Camp. Can I add Ubuntu for a triple boot?
[00:15] <Herdo> piremi: apt is just newer, but yes, for the most part apt can be used in most cases rather than apt-get.  apt-get should still be used inside of scripts you write however.
[00:16] <Herdo> apt also has a progress bar :)
[00:20] <jeffer> looking for help configuring/overclocking nvidia cards - more specifically changing settings for a non-active cards. i can change the value for the video card im using but not the other ones.
[00:21] <bazhang> jeffer, using which ubuntu software
[00:21] <jeffer> is that a hint?
[00:21] <bazhang> just a simple question
[00:21] <jeffer> sounds like a loaded question
[00:22] <jeffer> sounds like you want me to ask this question in an nvidia room
[00:22] <bazhang> is this somehow ubuntu related? there are hw overclock channels on freenode
[00:22] <jeffer> alright take it easy
[00:22] <jeffer> faggot
[00:24] <MarianoAlipi> lol
[00:24] <MarianoAlipi> I own a 2011 MacBook Pro. I have OS X and Windows 10 installed via Boot Camp. Can I add Ubuntu for a triple boot? If so, how can I do it?
[00:24] <piremi> Herdo: Thanks man ;)
[00:25] <piremi> MarianoAlipi: i don't think it is possible.
[00:27] <bazhang> MarianoAlipi, there are several guides, the most reliable not involving the use of bcamp
[00:27] <MarianoAlipi> piremi: dang :/ And what if I removed Windows?
[00:28] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: Oh, great! So would I need to reinstall Windows with a method different from Boot Camp?
[00:28] <MarianoAlipi> I don't mind if Ubuntu is not installed via Boot Camp, I'd just prefer to keep the three systems.
[00:30] <bazhang> MarianoAlipi, I aM looking at several guides, all from 2017, in the last 3-4 months, including a yt tutuorial
[00:30] <bazhang> tutorial
[00:30] <bazhang> MarianoAlipi, none of them inviolve bootcamp
[00:30] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: Great! I saw a forum post about it but it was from 2012 so I didn't want to follow that.
[00:30] <piremi> MarianoAlipi: is there any reason why you need it on boot? cuz i would recommend virtual machine like vb or parallels if you need it sometimes
[00:31] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: That's okay. I'd love to see them.
[00:31] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: Hmm, well, I think running it natively would be better because it's a somewhat old MacBook, and it struggles sometimes.
[00:32] <bazhang> MarianoAlipi, these are all unoffical and as such not supported guides; as seach term s I used your exact wording and the top out of eight were five from this year
[00:32] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: I mean, it runs Windows and OS X well but not really optimal. I've reformatted it a couple of times but it just isn't as fast anymore.
[00:34] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: Woah. I may seem lazy for not really looking at them, but I prefer to talk with a real person since I'm new to Linux and all of this. And I don't wanna screw up anything :(
[00:36] <bazhang> MarianoAlipi, perhaps as a starter you should consider using a vbox or the like, to better familiarize yourself witht he OS
[00:38] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: Well, I've booted Ubuntu from a USB stick several times. I've decided that I want to install it.
[00:39] <MarianoAlipi> bazhang: And I'm not sure if running it in a vbox will have the same performance I could get running it natively.
[00:39] <MarianoAlipi> What do you think?
[00:39] <Gallomimia> MarianoAlipi: great. are you going to install it dedicated, or dual boot with your existing OS?
[00:39] <bazhang> MarianoAlipi, then repeat your issue every so often, I have no clear knowledge on using that with a mac
[00:39] <bazhang> Gallomimia, trip boot
[00:39] <Gallomimia> sorry what install on a mac eh.
[00:39] <bazhang> triple
[00:40] <Gallomimia> what type of mac? there's a few issues with some macs. you need to chainload a bootloader called rEFInd
[00:45] <MarianoAlipi> Gallomimia: I currently have my Mac with dual boot OS X and Win 10. I'd like to add Ubuntu, for triple boot.
[00:45] <MarianoAlipi> Gallomimia: MacBook Pro Early 2011 13''
[00:45] <Gallomimia> cool. i had mine with win 7 and osx. now i have a triple boot set up with no windows installed yet. but ubuntu is there
[00:46] <Gallomimia> it had to get some kinda extra bootloader. every time i install an update to osx it disrupts it
[00:46] <Gallomimia> haven't used it in a long while. not bothering for now
[00:47] <MarianoAlipi> Gallomimia: Hmm, I see. That's what I want too.
[00:48] <Gallomimia> well, it's possible. just do a little research on a perm install on the model you have
[00:48] <Gallomimia> also, prepartition.
[00:48] <Gallomimia> that ain't easy.
[00:48] <hackedhead> I'm looking for information about installing ubuntu onto an existing machine alongside another distro and windows: https://gist.github.com/hackedhead/ad787217e274751ed31c5034d5f69eda
[00:48] <Gallomimia> like... you have to make plans and stuff. shuffle around existing installs.
[00:49] <MarianoAlipi> Or what do you think about virtual boxes? Win 10 runs fairly okay, but sometimes it does get slow. Would running a vbox be affected by that?
[00:49] <MarianoAlipi> dang
[00:49] <Gallomimia> depends why you want to run the ubuntu then don't it?
[00:50] <Gallomimia> if you put it in a vbox, its just that. virtual. is that okay with you?
[00:50] <Gallomimia> i don't think the performance will suffer much at all, unless you start running some kind of gpu heavy stuff
[00:51] <MarianoAlipi> Gallomimia: Right. What I want is an OS that feels fast and light, even with this sluggish computer. I use this laptop for web browsing, Office and programming. That's why I think Linux could work for me.
[00:52] <Gallomimia> probably would. but there's some hardware issues with broadcomm devices and drivers. they're very OSS averse
[00:52] <MarianoAlipi> Gallomimia: Isn't a vbox somewhat demanding for the computer? I mean, running alongside whatever is open.
[00:52] <Gallomimia> for example, in my laptop, i have a wifi/bluetooth dual card that only works with a proprietary driver blob, non open source, and it doesn't do bluetooth. wifi only
[00:53] <Gallomimia> well... it'll be like running two operating systems
[00:53] <Gallomimia> i hear overhead for virtualising is pretty low these days. never done it long term myself
[00:53] <Gallomimia> but do you want to run a window to do all your work inside? i think not
[00:53] <MarianoAlipi> Hmmm
[00:53] <Gallomimia> anyway. drivers. they're a problem.
[00:54] <Gallomimia> my laptop is a macbook pro late 2010 13 inch fyi
[00:54] <Gallomimia> probably more sluggish than yours. i get by
[00:54] <MarianoAlipi> gee
[00:55] <MarianoAlipi> I think I could just remove Windows for ease of installing it if Linux works well.
[00:56] <MarianoAlipi> But what can guarantee me that it will? :(
[00:56] <MarianoAlipi> Installing Windows is kind of a long process.
[00:56] <Gallomimia> yeah. don't remove it
[00:56] <Gallomimia> or.... backup the image
[00:57] <MarianoAlipi> The Windows installation image?
[00:57] <MarianoAlipi> Or what do you mean?
[00:57] <Gallomimia> anyway. i made 4 partitions. 1 is osx boot. one is for windows, one is for ubuntu. i can't read the ubuntu image while booted to the others, so, the 4th is for data. it's in fat32 so all three OS flavors can read it. not the best, but it works
[00:58] <Gallomimia> i mean... your windows installation. back it up if you plan to delete it
[00:58] <Gallomimia> keep it somewhere
[00:58] <Gallomimia> you might as well back up the mac one too before you try something as bigwhild crazy as this.
[00:58] <Gallomimia> seriously. big install. big op. chance of data loss high.
[00:59] <MarianoAlipi> whoa
[00:59] <MarianoAlipi> this is making me very nervous hahah
[01:00] <MarianoAlipi> I don't really have anything to lose. They're both "fresh" installations with a few programs installed. All of my important stuff is on MEGA.
[01:00] <Gallomimia> okay 0o
[01:00] <Gallomimia> well the saying goes, and i heard it in here. if it wasn't backed up, it wasn't that important to you
[01:01] <Gallomimia> if you have nothing to lose on your drive then why are you nervous? get started
[01:01] <Gallomimia> uh. how many computers do you have?
[01:01] <MarianoAlipi> It's just that messing with the OSs isn't easy
[01:01] <Gallomimia> no. its not.
[01:02] <MarianoAlipi> cause I don't want to have to spend a whole day resetting my computer if something goes wrong :( haha
[01:02] <Gallomimia> now, here's the rub. while your laptop is in boot mode, or possibly messed up, what are you going to use to look up a way to fix it, or possibly come in here to ask someone what to do next. (like not me)
[01:02] <Gallomimia> hah.
[01:02] <MarianoAlipi> For me it is, I'm not familiar to pretty much any of that.
[01:02] <MarianoAlipi> I have custom desktop PC which I use for pretty much everything, and a laptop which I take to school.
[01:02] <Gallomimia> this one time... i decided to take my laptop apart and look at what was wrong with the keyboard. i'd spilled something on it
[01:02] <Gallomimia> it took 3 days, and i had to use a family's imac to look up how
[01:03] <Gallomimia> alright good. as long as you have a spare
[01:03] <Gallomimia> but yeah. that's the reality. you might have it down all weekend. so, either get it fixed and ready for tuesday or
[01:03] <Gallomimia> leave it until..... thanksgiving?
[01:03] <MarianoAlipi> haha, true
[01:04] <MarianoAlipi> well
[01:04] <MarianoAlipi> I guess I have a few things to think about.
[01:04] <MarianoAlipi> And some courage to find. But I'll do it eventually. I can feel the pain the Mac feels while running Windows.
[01:05] <MarianoAlipi> I'll possibly start in a few hours, once I've thought it through.
[01:28] <Glamdesk> I find myself needing to run something in 256 colors. To that end, I wish to run another X server. Would somebody please tell me what's the best way to do that presently? I'm not seeing much about comparisons between Xnest and Xephyr, for example.
[01:31] <daddesio> Glamdesk: using wine?
[01:34] <Glamdesk> daddesio: Yes, but its own internal 256 color mode doesn't do the trick. Tried it, even making its own desktop environment. Something about Missionforce: Cyberstorm just doesn't cope.
[01:34] <bazhang> Glamdesk, check the appdb
[01:35] <bazhang> Glamdesk, then #winehq
[01:35] <Glamdesk> bazhang, Did, they get the same results I do; did, they directed me to this contingency indirectly.
[01:35] <Glamdesk> So I'm at the point of saying screw it time to run another X server.
[01:35] <Glamdesk> Suffice to say, it's an unusual problem, even in context.
[01:40] <Glamdesk> bazhang, daddesio, I take it neither of you are overly familiar with running an additional X server and the tools thereof?
[01:46] <darthanubis> I hard shutdown my PC, and now, gnome login loops, and evolution loops for gmail authorization for my mail accounts. Should I clean out my temp or something? Is there a way to make things right? It seems something is amiss after the dirty shutdown.
[01:48] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: A dirty shutdown == a file system check/repair .
[01:48] <darthanubis> Is there a way to make things right?
[01:49] <debkad> of corse
[01:50] <hellp> i have a notebook. In this notebook I had xubuntu installed. I made a backup of it and tried to install a new OS in the notebook. I reverted and installed xubuntu again. I dont have access to the backup copy. Can I , with a live cd of any kind, look for the remaining files of the previous installation in the notebook?
[01:50] <darthanubis> I'm asking for help here guys. Can someone link me to the resource if no cmd wants to be dropped here?
[01:51] <debkad> darthanubis: alt+ctrl+F1 can do the job
[01:51] <darthanubis> I've got the system running, but I have to tty to kill systemd/user
[01:51] <darthanubis> debkad, that doesn't fix anything
[01:51] <debkad> that just the hint to start
[01:51] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: ^^ What release are you running ? ^^ 1st is to do a file system check ( fsck ) .
[01:52] <darthanubis> 4.10.0-33-generic #37-Ubuntu 17.04
[01:53] <darthanubis> Bashing-om, The fsck run upon reboot and nothing/errors were found
[01:53] <darthanubis> it just seems my gnome user state is stale or not clean
[01:54] <darthanubis> even after reboot i have to kill systemd/user to login
[01:54] <daddesio> Glamdesk: sadly no, I am not. I ended up hacking my game to bypass the 256-color check (still seemed to work with some minor graphical bugs).
[01:54] <debkad> darthanubis: another hint check the /var/log/syslog for any errors during loggin
[01:54] <darthanubis> debkad, i've done that as well
[01:55] <darthanubis> didn't see anything related to login
[01:55] <Glamdesk> daddesio: I take it that's non-trivial. It wouldn't happen to have been Missionforce: Cyberstorm, would it?
[01:55] <darthanubis> I check xresources file
[01:55] <daddesio> no, The Sims Online. :)
[01:55] <Glamdesk> Was the error "unable to create a surface"?
[01:55] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: Lost authorization to the desltop ? What shows ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' for the owner and group ?
[01:56] <daddesio> Something like that! Your game uses DirectDraw?
[01:56] <darthanubis> I've never had this type of issue in quite some time
[01:56] <Glamdesk> Yes! I think. Definitely used DirectX 2.
[01:56] <darthanubis> Bashing-om, my user name and group. I checked that as well
[01:57] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: Then next thought is a broke graphic's driver . ' sudo lshw -C display .
[01:59] <darthanubis> Bashing-om, what are we looking for in this readout? Is just showing my display driver resources as normal
[01:59] <darthanubis> I have accelerated AMD driver, OSS running
[02:00] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: In the configuration line. what driver is listed ?
[02:00] <Glamdesk> daddesio: I had problems with Fallout in this regard, but it was a different error, and oddly easy to fix with instructions.
[02:00] <darthanubis> configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[02:00] <debkad> My guess is about a permission files ( in some hidens folders like .gnome , .gnome2 ... ) or a dm ( gdm, lightdm ... )
[02:00] <darthanubis> debkad, that's what i'm thinking
[02:01] <darthanubis> that's why gdm login and evolution are borked. Chromium was as well
[02:01] <daddesio> Glamdesk: It's been a while but IIRC I believe Wine's IDirectDraw and IDirect3D interfaces support 256-color rendering targets regardless of your actual display mode, but it does require hacking your game to fix crashes (which requires knowledge of OllyDbg or x64dbg). setting up another xorg is probably the simpler method.
[02:01] <darthanubis> anything to do with my user state was toast since that bad shutdown
[02:01] <daddesio> which I don't know how to do.
[02:01] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: If you can boot a guest session to the desktop, then that points to an issue within "your" user space configs .
[02:02] <Glamdesk> daddesio: I've had other (rare) occasions when it seemed the most reasonable response to the (non-Wine) situation too, so it'd be a good thing to know how to do regardless.
[02:02] <darthanubis> Bashing-om, how can I reset/clean/refresh, my gnome user state/settings please?
[02:02] <debkad> darthanubis: try to rename one of those hidden folders until the problem gone ( don't forget to copy it back when finish )
[02:03] <w9qbj> Trying to setup ACPUPSD, how do I send a message to all desktops warning of the shutdown event. 'wall' messages do not seem to work on Ubuntu 16.04
[02:03] <w9qbj> actually all events that apcupsd triggers on - like battery time, low voltage, etc
[02:03] <Bashing-om> darthanubis: I can not advise about gnome . I do not use that DE and have no experience to say .
[02:03] <hellp> im going to try to get some files from a notebook using a live usb. To be sure and to have a backup computer ill be doing this form college. Will somebody who offers help be in 14 hours here?
[02:03] <darthanubis> ok
[02:04] <darthanubis> brb
[02:09] <debkad> /quit
[02:15] <theSanDiegoKid> how can I move a folder from my Documents folder into usr/local
[02:16] <Ben64> theSanDiegoKid: why would you want to do that
[02:17] <theSanDiegoKid> Ben64: I am trying to install Android Studio and it is telling me to move the unpacked folder there.
[02:17] <Ben64> theSanDiegoKid: that's not correct
[02:17] <theSanDiegoKid> Ben64: oh okay. Any suggestions on where I just move it to?
[02:17] <theSanDiegoKid> Ben64: Also, if you don't mind me asking. Why not? Sorry pretty new to Ubuntu.
[02:18] <Ben64> shouldn't mess with system directories
[02:18] <theSanDiegoKid> okay.
[02:18] <Ben64> what are you following to install android studio
[02:18] <theSanDiegoKid> the user guide from android (https://developer.android.com/studio/install.html)
[02:20] <Ben64> put it in /opt/android-studio/ then
[02:20] <theSanDiegoKid> okay thank you. I will do that.
[02:24] <theSanDiegoKid> Ben64: Which opt folder? I am seeing one in my etc directory and one in the var directory.
[02:24] <mindofmateo> I walked away from my desktop while doing some work, only for a few minutes, but the screens turn black and it's unresponsive.  I don't see it active on the network, tapping the power button does nothing, un/plugging peripherals does nothing, putting in a CDROM, nothing happens. One, what caused this, and two, is everything I was working on f***ed?
[02:24] <Ben64> theSanDiegoKid: just /opt
[02:24] <mindofmateo> 16.04 LTS
[02:24] <theSanDiegoKid> thank you/
[02:26] <Bashing-om> mindofmateo: System froze up ?? Do have another system on the LAN and try and ping the froze box ?
[02:26] <mindofmateo> I only had web browsers open and probably one terminal emulator. I was gone only long enough to get a drink and put something in the fridge. Now it's unresponsive.
[02:27] <mindofmateo> Bashing-om: I tried to ssh, no go, on the router it says inactive. :/  it's still "on" though, the lights are on, fans spinning...
[02:28] <mindofmateo> It just looks like it's suspended or locked, but the keyboard/mouse/whatever does nothing. Caps/num lock LED won't even toggle.
[02:29] <Bashing-om> !SysRq | mindofmateo Sounds like a hard freeze, but try :
[02:29] <mindofmateo> I searched the web but I get a lot of results talking about laptops and closing the top/clamshell
[02:30] <Ben64> reisub doesn't work by default
[02:31] <mindofmateo> Maybe kernel panic? IDK what happened
[02:32] <mindofmateo> I cam back and thought nothing of it, as in, oh I'll have to log in again
[02:35] <Bashing-om> mindofmateo: Well, If you can not ssh in, no keyboard, no monitor . not much choice but to do the dirty and hope for the best and then clean up any mess afterward .
[02:41] <theSanDiegoKid> I am trying to move my folder from /Documents/android to /opt but I keep getting the following error "cp: cannot stat '/Documents/android': No such file or directory" I am using the following command: "sudo cp /Documents/android /opt" any suggestions as to what is happening?
[02:41] <mindofmateo> Bashing-om is there any kind of log I could look at that would some me something if I restarted it?
[02:42] <on3pk> I have a really freaking dumb question.  How do I create a symlink?
[02:42] <mindofmateo> Thesandiegokid you're missing the last /
[02:42] <on3pk> like I'm trying to get /var/www/html/index.php to link to ~/html/index.php
[02:42] <mindofmateo> Er, I mean you need ~/Documents
[02:43] <mindofmateo> Otherwise it's looking for the documents folder in  root
[02:43] <Bashing-om> mindofmateo: only if you have previously enabled persistent logging for the journal .
[02:44] <mindofmateo> Dang.
[02:44] <on3pk> do both files need to exist before a simlink can be created?
[02:46] <Bashing-om> mindofmateo: Also, bear in mind that if this is a system freeze, then logging is frozen . Will have nothing to see in that event ( that has been my esperience with this sytem intermittently freezing up - resolved  )
[02:47] <mindofmateo> Rrrrrrrr I won't even know what happened...
[02:48] <Bashing-om> on3pk: NO . If the symlink file already exist, then the tool will not function to make/change the link .
[02:48] <mindofmateo> This happened once before, but SOME things still worked
[02:51] <Bashing-om> mindofmateo: All USB  peripherals ? ( can not hot plug PS2 devices ) . Might try again and see if the system awakes when re-plugging USB devices .
[02:52] <on3pk> Oh ok.  I'm just dumb.  I was typing ls instead of ln
[02:52] <on3pk> I was kinda losing my mind there for a minute
[02:52] <foul_owl> How do I edit the metadata of an mp4? Thanks!
[02:53] <Bashing-om> on3pk: Happens to the best of us .. one large cup of coffee is subscribed :)
[02:53] <on3pk> Indeed.
[02:53] <on3pk> Maybe 8 hours of sleep at this point :)
[02:59] <on3pk> Oh, this is a question I definitely don't know.  What user does a cron job use?  Is it it's own user?
[03:00] <Ben64> on3pk: depends where the job came from
[03:00] <on3pk> What do you mean?
[03:01] <Ben64> uh. where it came from. is it your user's crontab? then it'd run as you
[03:02] <on3pk> Oh, I was setting up a crontab, so it would run as me
[03:02] <on3pk> thanks
[03:02] <leftyfb> on3pk: unless you used sudo crontab, then it would run a root
[03:02] <on3pk> Right
[03:52] <stranglerfish> hey, i just completely wiped my 16.04.2 drive and installed 16.04.3 over it and i'm having some issues
[03:52] <stranglerfish> mainly that my software center doesn't want to install stuff. any package i've tried so far, i click install, it shows that it's starting then stops immediately
[03:53] <zelozelos> have you updated?
[03:53] <stranglerfish> i did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt install
[03:53] <stranglerfish> and i ran the software updater
[03:53] <stranglerfish> is that right?
[03:54] <zelozelos> update manager says you are up to date?
[03:54] <zelozelos> <i ask because there have been ppa changes
[03:54] <stranglerfish> yeah, software updater says up to date
[03:55] <Ben64> stranglerfish: why would you wipe and install to go up a point version
[03:55] <stranglerfish> that wasn't the reason
[03:55] <Ben64> cool
[03:56] <stranglerfish> i get a bit OCD sometimes. i was having anxiety, imposter syndrome kinda stuff and i didn't know what i should do. i've been slacking on programming and couldn't think of a project or thing to learn so i figured i'd do a fresh slate on my laptop
[03:56] <stranglerfish> cause that sometimes gives me a bit of a motivation boost
[03:56] <on3pk> One thing I'm sort of curious about.  How does Ubuntu get my timezone from SSH?
[03:56] <Ben64> on3pk: explain
[03:56] <daddesio> stranglerfish: sounds like something I should try then, haha
[03:57] <on3pk> Ben64: Well, I have a VPS in London.  when I use the date command, it is using my local timezone, not BST
[03:57] <stranglerfish> i wouldn't recommend, it's a result of not knowing how to deal with anxiety
[03:57] <stranglerfish> anywho, thoughts on how to fix?
[03:58] <Ben64> on3pk: then it's just on your time zone
[03:58] <daddesio> i've haven't used the GUI package manager since around 2013 so I can't really say
[03:58] <stranglerfish> one sec i'm trying it out since the software update restart
[03:59] <stranglerfish> yeah it's not working for .deb packages that i've downloaded
[03:59] <on3pk> Ben64: I guess I never set it.  Could it have gotten that information from my host's vps control software?
[03:59] <stranglerfish> and if i try a second time i get a ? icon in my launcher with a progress bar that doesn't move
[03:59] <Ben64> on3pk: possibly
[03:59] <Ben64> stranglerfish: try dpkg -i blah.deb
[04:00] <on3pk> Ok, so it is possible that it could have?  I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.  I just was a little curious...
[04:00] <Ben64> on3pk: sure, when they're setting up the vm they could do whatever
[04:00] <stranglerfish> errors were encountered while processing, though i dunno if that's just cause it's already attempting to be installed elsewhere?
[04:00] <stranglerfish> one sec brb, logging off and on
[04:00] <on3pk> Well that's neat
[04:01] <stranglerfish> back
[04:01] <zelozelos> you shoulda just restarted
[04:01] <zelozelos> but did it fix it?
[04:01] <Ben64> stranglerfish: put full command and errors on paste.ubuntu.com
[04:02] <stranglerfish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25455652/
[04:03] <stranglerfish> just seems weird to me that i would have to install a .deb from terminal, shouldn't it work in software center when i double click?
[04:03] <Ben64> i don't use gui stuff
[04:03] <stranglerfish> even google chrome package was doing the same issue
[04:03] <Ben64> well theres your problem, you need app indicator
[04:04] <stranglerfish> is there a way to run it so it asks me to install dependencies?
[04:04] <Ben64> idk, but you could just install them
[04:06] <stranglerfish> found an answer
[04:06] <stranglerfish> sudo apt-get -f install
[04:06] <stranglerfish> it installed the complained about dependencies and the package, after i attempted with dpkg
[04:07] <stranglerfish> it's annoying that a fresh install is already giving me an issue like this but, whatever. i'm okay with ditching gui
[04:09] <stranglerfish> ok, now to deal with the whole reason i did this reinstall. anyone got advice on dealing with imposter syndrome? i finished college 1 year ago, am currently on welfare and haven't practiced programming in a while
[04:10] <stranglerfish> i need projects to help build confidence but i'm getting myself worked up trying to decide what language, what kinda project, etc
[04:10] <stranglerfish> anxiety is making it hard to think straight, anyone else go through this kinda stuff / have advice?
[04:18] <stranglerfishy> sorry got logged out
[04:46] <netitux> Hi
[05:17] <ALTF5> Hello, anybody can help with a problem of mouse freeze when trying ubuntu 16.04 from live cd or when I install it and possibly why i cannot boot to my windows7 after both fresh install. I am using a PC desktop with a bios having uefi
[05:20] <ALTF5> I have looked up youtube for videos about those problems but could not find solution that fix the random freezes or my windows boot always going back to grub
[06:05] <Loshki> stranglerfish: anxiolytics (drugs) to help with the anxiety, talk therapy to help with the impostor syndrome.
[06:47] <stranglerfish> Loshki: anxiolytics are bad news for me
[06:48] <stranglerfish> i am going to a therapist currently but so far it hasn't helped :s
[07:06] <creat> In Ubuntu, when connecting a USB-powered HDD (WD My Passport) or a flash key through a USB3 hub (AmazonBasics 4-port), the HDD/key isn't detected automatically. And they get detected only after doing "sudo lsusb -v" Connecting them directly to system works though.
[07:06] <vadi> My Ubuntu 17.04 is not detecting my Android phone at all when I plug it in - nothing new shows up on dmesg and it's not on lsusb. The phone however blips and starts charging fine when I plug it in. How can I fix this?
[07:07] <ducasse> vadi: check that you're using a data cable, not just a charging cable
[07:08] <creat> The issue is present in last two LTS releases.
[07:08] <creat> Have not checked on other versions
[07:08] <vadi> ducasse: how do I check that?
[07:10] <vadi> Ah yep, a different cable worked. Thanks
[07:11] <ducasse> creat: i'd suspect that's a problem with the hub, not ubuntu
[07:12] <creat> No driver problems or anything like that?
[07:12] <ducasse> i doubt it
[07:13] <creat> I see
[07:14] <chakli> Hello guys, I was trying to install ubuntu, i have tried 17.04 gnome and 17.10 ubuntu. and in both i get an error. grub-efi-amd64-signed package failed to install in /target/ . Is there any way to solve this
[07:24] <hypermist> can someone help me with the error /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3: No such file or directory
[07:24] <hypermist> trying to cross compile
[07:25] <ducasse> hypermist: try #ubuntu-arm
[07:25] <hypermist> yu
[07:25] <hypermist> ty *
[07:41] <theSanDiegoKid> How can I edit a text file that requires root access?
[07:42] <ducasse> theSanDiegoKid: gui or terminal?
[07:43] <theSanDiegoKid> ducasse, gui but I think I just figured it out in terminalby using nano.
[07:47] <ducasse> theSanDiegoKid: if you want to use a gui editor, don't start it with sudo - use gksudo
[07:48] <theSanDiegoKid> ducasse: oh okay.. thanks!
[07:49] <theSanDiegoKid> Has anyone used android studio on ubuntu? For some reason my device is not showing up as a run environment.
[07:53] <theSanDiegoKid> Ignore that, figured it out.
[07:54] <koomen> Hi there. I use ubuntu with i3 and I have some problems with my brightness. When I use the brightness-controller and I adjust the screen brightness, it instantly changes back to my current state (something keeps overwriting it I think) and with xbacklight I get the message: "No outputs have backlight property" ... even though I have some settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to define my card and backlight property,
[07:54] <koomen> it nothing works... anyone knows this problem or can help me debug? I tried sooo many things already...
[07:56] <Hexal> Hi, I'm using dual OS Ubuntu 16.4 and Windows 10, I would like to installing Ubuntu 17 which is I already downloaded and burn in USB Live
[07:56] <ducasse> koomen: please don't crosspost
[07:56] <koomen> ducasse: np
[07:58] <ntinos> koomen: what `ls  /sys/class/backlight` gives you?
[07:58] <koomen> ntinos: intel_backlight -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-eDP-1/intel_backlight
[07:59] <Hexal> May I ask you someone help me about this without loosing my data on windows and grub working again
[08:00] <ntinos> koomen: do `cat brightness` and then `echo number | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness`
[08:00] <koomen> ntinos: yeah that does work already.
[08:01] <ntinos> so the problem is using your fn keys and xbacklight?
[08:01] <koomen> ntinos: well the keys are set properly, but xbacklight needs an output or so which it doesn't have... can't find my screen I think since it says: "No outputs have backlight property"
[08:06] <ntinos> yes, xbacklight has issues with Intel
[08:06] <ntinos> mind posting /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:06] <koomen> ntinos: well it worked before ...
[08:06] <koomen> ntinos: sure, sec
[08:07] <ntinos> koomen: did update anything? kernel, xorg, driver?
[08:07] <koomen> ntinos: well I did install a lot of system stuff on my previous install of ubuntu ... I did a re-install because I accidently upgraded, instead of updated
[08:08] <koomen> so I did a reinstall and now it doesn't work and I can't find out what I need to get it fixed
[08:09] <koomen> ntinos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/backlight#xbacklight this is what I used
[08:09] <koomen> the section about: put this in your "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[08:12] <ntinos> maybe you can put your busid as well; what `lspci -k | grep VGA` gives you?
[08:13] <koomen> ntinos: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09)
[08:13] <ntinos> Hexal: start the installation, format ONLY the ubuntu partition and reinstall it on it
[08:13] <Hexal> ntinos, I'll starting now
[08:14] <ntinos> koomen: put: BusID    "PCI:0:2:0"
[08:14] <ntinos> below Option on your xorg.conf
[08:14] <koomen> ntinos: did that already, didn't work either
[08:17] <ntinos> maybe rm intel_backlight symlink, rm backlight dir, and do ln -s ../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-eDP-1/intel_backlight backlight
[08:18] <spexi> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu server 16.04.3 LTS and I can't get wired or wireless connection working. Devices are Realtek RTL8111/8168 and Qualcomm Atheros AR9287.
[08:18] <spexi> I have tried different configurations to /etc/network/interfaces. Setting iface enp3s0 inet dhcp takes forever to run, over 5min on boot. With static it won't work either. What was weird, was that with both wired and wireless I could ping the very first time, and every other ping attempt after that was packet loss. What should I try?
[08:19] <koomen> ntinos: how can I remove it ? it says: Operation nothing permitted when I am in "sudo -i"
[08:19] <koomen> operation not permitted **
[08:21] <ntinos> well, crap; do you really need xbacklight tho? you can use a script to wrap cat/echo on /sys/.../brightness
[08:22] <koomen> ntinos: I don't mind ... I just want somthing that can help me adjust my brightness, but without having it to run with sudo
[08:23] <koomen> ntinos: I just want something that adds +2% or so to the brightness when I press my keyboard key...
[08:23] <ntinos> https://ptpb.pw/67pn
[08:23] <ntinos> I'm using this
[08:23] <ntinos> on STEP change 20 to 50 if you want 2% steps
[08:24] <ntinos> the just call it as /path/to/script.sh up and /path/to/script.sh down
[08:24] <koomen> ntinos: yeah but .. I still have to run that as sudo ...
[08:24] <koomen> ntinos: ain't gonna work right when I bind it in i3 to my keyboard key?
[08:25] <EriC^^> koomen: try xbacklight
[08:25] <koomen> EriC^^: I have a problem with that ... that's  the point of not using it
[08:25] <EriC^^> what's the problem?
[08:25] <koomen> EriC^^: it says: "no outputs have backlight property"
[08:25] <Hexal> ntinos, I'm in "Installation type"but none of the options on this page is not active
[08:25] <EriC^^> oh, write a script that adds or removes
[08:26] <Hexal> Hi EriC^^
[08:26] <EriC^^> hi Hexal
[08:26] <koomen> EriC^^: yeah but I have to run that script as sudo
[08:26] <Hexal> I'm started installing :D
[08:26] <koomen> EriC^^: and then I can't bind it to my keyboard keys ...
[08:26] <EriC^^> koomen: yeah, add it to /etc/sudoers with NOPASSWD
[08:26] <koomen> EriC^^: oh, haven't thought about that ..
[08:26] <koomen> mhmh, let me try!
[08:28] <ntinos> as alternative and if you're running acpid, add it to your actions/events
[08:31] <Hexal> ntinos, Please check this link https://i.imgur.com/tPpGkLM.jpg
[08:32] <ntinos> Hexal: something else and new pic
[08:32] <Hexal> ntinos, yes :))
[08:33] <Hexal> ntinos, but not working on something else too
[08:33] <Hexal> ntinos,  "continue" is detractive
[08:34] <Hexal> detective*
[08:34] <Hexal> sorry for typo
[08:34] <Hexal> deactivate*
[08:34] <ntinos> you mean the option to continue is disabled? cannot really help with that
[08:35] <Hexal> ntinos, yes exactly
[08:35] <Hexal> ntinos, I'll start installation from beginning
[08:40] <Hexal> ntinos, "Primary" or "Logical"?
[08:41] <ntinos> what you had already; don't delete anything; just format current ubuntu partition
[08:41] <ntinos> supposing you have no files needed
[08:43] <Hexal> ntinos, I did that and now I'm choosing my country
[08:55] <Hexal> ntinos, already done thank you
[08:58] <Hexal> ntinos, I start updating and showing me this message "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:00] <ntinos> Hexal: sudo apt update?
[09:00] <Hexal> yes
[09:00] <Hexal> it's works now ntinos
[09:01] <Hexal> ntinos, Thank you so much for your time
[09:11] <Hexal> Why after all years this brightness problem didn't solved on Ubuntu :(
[09:51] <vlt> Hexal: Which brightness problem?
[10:07] <Hexal> vlt brightness key problem on laptop
[10:08] <Hexal> but I already fixed it from grab
[10:08] <Hexal> Actually my current issue is I can't save any files in other drives "ntfs"
[10:09] <Hexal> vlt can you help me about this please?
[10:10] <vlt> Hexal: Is there a bug report for your brightness problem?
[10:14] <Hexal> vlt actually I have this problem from long time, I have lenovo and every time I installing fresh Ubuntu I have to go on "/etc/default/grub" and changing GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor"
[10:14] <Hexal> and then update-grub and restart every time I should do that to fixing my brightness key issue
[10:15] <pumpkinz> I can't seem to set a resolution with 240hz with xrandr is there any way to do this?
[10:16] <pumpkinz> or register add a resolution I should say.
[10:16] <vlt> Hexal: How would it look like when you considered this problem “solved”?
[10:20] <Hexal> vlt let me explain this: without changing this line, if I pressing on brightness key for high or low, getting so dark until I have to restart ubuntu and then before booting I should fix brightness, but when I editing this line and adding "acpi_backlight=vendor" after quiet splash, I'll able to using brightness key normally
[10:22] <Hexal> vlt I had this problem on Ubuntu 14-15-16 and now still exist on 17
[10:29] <vlt> Hexal: Where is the bug report for this problem?
[10:30] <Hexal> vlt I didn't sent any bug report actually
[10:32] <vlt> Hexal: Well ...
[10:33] <cfhowlett> that happened
[10:33] <histo> :)
[10:34] <akik> Hexal: are you saying that the acpi_backlight parameter doesn't fix it?
[10:35] <akik> Hexal: you can also set it in xorg config snippet Option         "Backlight" "intel_backlight"
[10:35] <akik> if using intel graphics, that is
[10:40] <akik> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alaunchpad.net+acpi_backlight%3Dvendor
[10:51] <Dbugger> Hello everyone
[11:00] <Dbugger> How do you guys do it to manage different SSH connections? I have quite a few servers to manage, all of them with different password and users. Is there a effective way you guys and girls use manage connections?
[11:05] <vlt> Dbugger: The most important file for me is ~/.ssh/config
[11:05] <ddellav> Dbugger yes, ssh keys. You can use the same one for all servers or use different keys per server and set them up to be used in your ssh config file
[11:05] <vlt> Dbugger: And logins with key instead of passwords, of course.
[11:06] <renatoneto> hi, I'm having some trouble shutting down my ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[11:07] <renatoneto> it hangs on "Stopping Raise network interfaces"
[11:08] <renatoneto> tricky part is maybe that i've booted it from an iSCSI target using iPXE and iBFT
[11:09] <renatoneto> i don't see anything useful in syslog, could anyone assist me where to look?
[11:09] <Dbugger> well, i was using ssh keys. But the other day my Ubuntu system exploded, and I had to install a new system
[11:09] <onla> I need to make sure glib-devel and gtk-devel packages or similar are installed. What are they called in ubuntu 14.04?
[11:09] <Dbugger> meaning I lost all connections
[11:11] <vlt> Dbugger: Lost? What happened to your backup?
[11:11] <Dbugger> vlt, you mean I should I should bring the private and public key to my new system=
[11:11] <Dbugger> ?
[11:12] <ddellav> you should always keep a backup of your keys somewhere, yes
[11:12] <ddellav> just make sure they are secure
[11:12] <Dbugger> well, I never really thought about that..
[11:12] <vlt> Dbugger: Yes. The key is usually stored in ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ...id_rsa.pub
[11:12] <Dbugger> Can keys be simply copied into a different system?
[11:13] <ddellav> of course
[11:13] <vlt> Dbugger: If you restore these files into your home you should be able to access the servers.
[11:13] <ddellav> they are just text files
[11:13] <Dbugger> oh well... I gotta admit the idea never crossed my mind...
[11:13] <Dbugger> I am gonna see if there is any possible way for me to recover them...
[11:13] <vlt> Dbugger: Mind that ssh client refuses to use a key that is readable for too many users ;-)
[11:14] <ddellav> yea, they usually need to be 600
[11:15] <Dbugger> oh really?
[11:15] <Dbugger> good to know
[11:15] <Dbugger> should I just copy both keys?
[11:15] <Dbugger> Or should I copy the whole .ssh folder
[11:15] <Dbugger> ?
[11:16] <vlt> Dbugger: Try the whole folder.
[11:16] <Dbugger> meaning "known_hosts", "config", and so on
[11:16] <Dbugger> Cool. Ill give it a god
[11:16] <Dbugger> GO
[11:19] <Dbugger> I got this: "sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation"
[11:21] <linocisco> hi all,
[11:21] <linocisco> this guide (http://naingyeminn.com/posts/burmese-keyboard-for-ubuntu-1404/) still valid?
[11:23] <akik> linocisco: you should use english language
[11:23] <linocisco> akik, i m asking for local folks here if someone is online
[11:34] <vlt> Dbugger: vlt said something about “refuse” before. Your error message also contains “refused” ;-)
[11:37] <Dbugger> Oh, you mean that is not restricted enough...
[11:37] <Dbugger> I was using the default permissions. What are the right ones?
[11:40] <blz> Hello, I'm getting a permission denied error when attempting a connection to an NFS server on ubuntu 17.04.  Could someone please have a look at my configuration and see if I've missed anything obvious?  https://askubuntu.com/q/952374/62958
[11:40] <Dbugger> my public key is rw-r--r-- and my private key is rw-------
[11:41] <Dbugger> aaah! I found it! I had to run "ssh-add" after changing the keys :P
[11:41] <Dbugger> I thought that just moving text files was way too easy.. :P
[11:46] <akik> blz: did you run "sudo exportfs -a" after configuring it?
[11:50] <renatoneto> for those who are interested, this is the only error message i'm seeing
[11:50] <renatoneto> https://imgur.com/MXWxbp9
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:58] <fdah> is there a way to find who sshed to our machine?
[12:02] <EriC^^> fdah: see /var/log/auth.log
[12:11] <renatoneto> so I narrowed my problem down to this, when I remove "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 ubuntu" from mij grub.conf everything works fine again
[12:12] <renatoneto> i got the idea from this askubuntu question https://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04
[12:15] <renatoneto> does some1 know why my shutdown hangs when I try to set my network interfaces name to "eth0" instead of "enp6s0"?
[12:19] <akik> renatoneto: why did you have "ubuntu" as a kernel parameter? net.ifnames=0 works for me
[12:19] <BluesKaj> eth0 isn't recognized in systemd, it's now known as enp-something
[12:20] <BluesKaj> renatoneto,^
[12:21] <renatoneto> akik: sorry, wrong copy/paste, i meant "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" as stated by the askubuntu question
[12:22] <Hexal> vlt I never bug reported before
[12:22] <akik> renatoneto: you can read the systemd logs with "journalctl -xe" and also read the logs of previous boots
[12:23] <Hexal> akik actually my laptop is Lenovo Z500 and dual GPU intel and nvidia
[12:23] <akik> renatoneto: the "-b" option
[12:24] <Hexal> akik, btw, how can I get permission for save files on other partions ntfs?
[12:24] <akik> Hexal: there are mount options that handle that for your current user. doesn't your file manager allow it?
[12:24] <Hexal> At moment I'm not able for save even text file to another drives
[12:25] <akik> Hexal: did you change that fast start-up option in windows?
[12:26] <Hexal> akik, no let me first do that you said fast boot isn't it right?
[12:26] <akik> Hexal: it's explained here https://www.howtogeek.com/236807/how-to-mount-your-windows-10-or-8-system-drive-on-linux/
[12:27] <Hexal> Ok. I'm booting windows now
[12:28] <renatoneto> BluesKaj is there some way I could make systemd "eth0"-aware?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> renatoneto, not sure, I haven't bothered since it's systemd naming convention at work here and to me it;s just something new being a home user.
[12:33] <renatoneto> BluesKaj i need it because otherwise my servers are not accepting to get their hostname from our dhcp server
[12:35] <renatoneto> BluesKaj also some other scripts and feature are depending on the "eth0" naming convention of the earlier days
[12:36] <BluesKaj> renatoneto, http://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/mini-howtos/change-default-network-name-ens33-to-old-eth0-on-ubuntu-16-04.html
[12:39] <renatoneto> BluesKaj, that's exactly what i did :)
[12:40] <akik> renatoneto: try without the biosdevname=0. you don't need it on 16.04
[12:42] <renatoneto> akik: already did, same problem. I also tried it with and without /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules being manually created
[12:43] <akik> renatoneto: this is not related to your problem but if i had a cifs mount in /etc/fstab, ubuntu would shutdown the interface before unmounting the share
[12:45] <renatoneto> akik: i'm using my ubuntu diskless, booted from an iSCSI LUN using iBFT & iPXE
[12:46] <akik> renatoneto: did you read the journalctl logs after this problem=
[12:48] <renatoneto> akik: i did, but it's not logging any errors from my last shutdown. I think because iSCSI is already stopped after networking is trying to stop so it has no place on disk to log to
[12:49] <renatoneto> akik: just for the record, when i remove the "net.ifnames=0 (biosdevname=0)" from grub.conf, everything works fine
[12:54] <akik> renatoneto: this is a long shot but maybe compare the logs when using net.ifnames=0 and when not
[12:55] <akik> renatoneto: maybe the interface name is stuck in some of your iscsi config
[13:17] <renatoneto> akik: i never see the shutdown events in journalctl
[13:17] <renatoneto> akik: any idea what i'm doing wrong? I'm using it with -xe and -b
[13:20] <akik> renatoneto: try maybe without the -xe
[13:21] <akik> -xe goes to the end of the log
[13:21] <renatoneto> akik: same thing
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> renatoneto  i guess it's easier and faster to get used to the new names
[13:29] <renatoneto> MonkeyDust: problem is my hostname aren't set using dhcp when use the new interface names
[13:36] <blz> akik, yes I did.
[13:37] <blz> akik, (re: NFS problem)
[13:38] <akik> blz: does your server see the client ip as you expect?
[13:39] <blz> akik, yes:  <IP_ADDRESS>, as expected.
[13:39] <blz> akik, as reported by `ping`.  That is, pinging the hostname returns the IP I expect.
[13:40] <akik> blz: have you tried mounting the nfs share on the command line?
[13:41] <blz> akik, I have not.  The client is OSX, but I suppose it must be possible there too
[13:43] <blz> akik:  https://hastebin.com/amovesaqiz.txt
[13:44] <blz> akik: the error messages are completely useless :C
[13:44] <akik> blz: that's a new error message. maybe search for that
[13:44] <akik> blz: to me that looks like a client machine error
[13:45] <blz> akik: hmm, that's encouraging as I don't really intend to mount the nfs share to osx
[13:45] <akik> https://thornelabs.net/2013/10/15/operation-not-permitted-mounting-nfs-share-on-os-x-mountain-lion.html
[13:45] <blz> akik: i'll try from another linux machine if googling doesn't help
[13:46] <blz> akik: yep, found the same link :)
[13:46] <akik> blz: does it work? :)
[13:46] <blz> akik: reading as we speak :)
[13:48] <blz> akik: well I'll be damned... It works
[13:48] <blz> akik: typical.  I saw saw the `insecure` option in a tutorial, looked it up on the manpage, decided I didn't need it ...
[13:49] <blz> akik: thanks for the help, in any case :)
[13:57] <renatoneto> Could you think with me on this one? When i remove the ""net.ifnames=0" from grub.conf i need to edit my /etc/network/interfaces so it uses the new name for the interface
[13:58] <renatoneto> but the problem is that this ubuntu image will server as an "golden image" i will duplicate it using CoW on top of this
[13:58] <renatoneto> so the interface names will different, depending on which hardware i will be deploying
[14:04] <vfw> I guess we have to be registered to get into #ubuntu now.  Right?
[14:04] <vfw> When did that change?
[14:10] <Hexal> akik, I did that and works so great thanks
[15:31] <Reventlov> tHi
[15:31] <Reventlov> the 17.04 boot of my ubuntu is really slow
[15:32] <Reventlov> Here is the  systemd-analyze critical-chain: https://ptpb.pw/URHh
[15:36] <brainwash> Reventlov: I would check the journal
[15:37] <zack263> Question:  I have firefox developer edition installed from a .deb in the download folder; but if I type firefox from terminal it says firefox not installed
[15:38] <zack263> so my question is how to i run the firefox developer edition from the terminal?
[15:39] <zack263> i see what happen
[15:39] <brainwash> zack263: is that an official deb?
[15:39] <oerheks> zack263, install that .deb, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/package
[15:39] <zack263> i didnt install it properply manually
[15:40] <oerheks> but if you don't even know how to install, why the development version?
[15:40] <zack263> i didnt install in /opt or /usr/local
[15:40] <zack263> developer version is cause I like that verison, LOL
[15:41] <zack263> i would assume it's official.. i got it from mozzila website? not sure what u mean by official
[15:41] <zack263> well.. normally i install a .deb by just double clicking it
[15:41] <zack263> but the directions i just ran into.. i see i did it wrong
[15:41] <oerheks> development versions are never official, it is a beta
[15:41] <Auctus> if i share internet over ethernet with ubuntu, what's the first ip address it hands out? I plugged in a raspberry pi and i want to ssh to it but idk what ip it has
[15:41] <zack263> the ppi might be easier
[15:42] <zack263> i will just delete it and try the ppi
[15:42] <zack263> moving the folder doesn't sound like it would work
[15:45] <oerheks> Auctus, you could scan with nmap > sudo nmap -sn 192.168.X.Y/24
[15:48] <Auctus> oerheks: im connected to a wifi router with this computer, which is 192.168.*, and the raspberry pi is plugged into the ethernet jack on this computer, and im sharing internet out over the ethernet jack, via the network manager gui
[15:48] <Auctus> i tried scanning 10.42.*.*, looks like im the only one, <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:48] <Auctus> i shouldnt be doing this at 4am but its fun :p
[15:49] <oerheks> or check your router to see connected clients & ip
[15:50] <Auctus> thats what im sayin, the pi isnt connected to a router, its connected directly to this computer
[15:51] <Auctus> im out in my garage so i get wifi on this computer, but the pi has too weak an antenna to get any reception out here, and theres no router out here
[15:52] <oerheks> well, find the ip range the ICS is using, in your nerwotkmanager perhaps?
[15:53] <tgm4883> Did you setup a DHCP server on your computer?
[15:53] <tgm4883> I don't know if it sets one up automatically
[15:54] <Auctus> all i did was go network manager -> edit connections -> wired connection -> ipv4 settings -> shared to other computers
[15:54] <minimec> Auctus: https://askubuntu.com/a/194526
[15:54] <tgm4883> Auctus: yea I don't think that sets up a DHCP address
[15:55] <tgm4883> DHCP server*
[15:56] <CreativeWolf> Heya all :)
[15:56] <EriC^^> hey CreativeWolf
[15:56] <linuxnoob011> hi all. i'm having networking trouble with ubuntu and i'm hoping someone can help me out. i have connectivity over wifi, but ethernet does not work
[15:57] <CreativeWolf> I'm trying to block USB Storage on a desktop - Tried adding blacklist usb_storage in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and modprobe -r usb_storage in /etc/rc.local
[15:58] <CreativeWolf> But still as a desktop user i'm able to mount USB
[15:58] <CreativeWolf> Heya EriC^^ :)
[15:58] <CreativeWolf> linuxnoob011, what happens with ethernet?
[15:59] <linuxnoob011> so if i manage it through network manager, it's a giant mess--i don't even get an assigned IP address
[15:59] <linuxnoob011> if i set it up to use a static address, i get the desired ip address, but only spotty connectivity--maybe it'll work for a few mins after reboot, but usually not
[15:59] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: try udevadm monitor and plug it in and see which ones it's using
[16:00] <linuxnoob011> when i monitor tcp activity
[16:00] <linuxnoob011> it appears that the ubuntu machine cannot locate the gateway
[16:00] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: if something else depends on usb_storage you have to remove it too
[16:00] <linuxnoob011> (by monitor tcp activity, i mean tcpdump)
[16:01] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, Says Kernel
[16:01] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: try to plug the usb hdd in
[16:02] <linuxnoob011> oh, other piece of useful information, CreativeWolf. I was in here with this q yesterday and could not get it sorted--ended up reinstalling ubuntu and i'm still having issues (although somewhat different issues)
[16:02] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, I just did...it's mounting :/
[16:02] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: try lsmod | grep usb_storage
[16:02] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: did it mention the modules it loaded? (udevadm)
[16:03] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, lsmod | grep usb_storage says usb_storage 69632 2 uas
[16:04] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, scsi_disk, scsi_generic bdi block
[16:04] <CreativeWolf> usb as well
[16:05] <CreativeWolf> (that's from udevadm)
[16:05] <CreativeWolf> linuxnoob011, Checked different cable, check port
[16:06] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: ok remove the usb, then try modprobe -r uas
[16:06] <EriC^^> and usb_storage and see how that goes
[16:06] <linuxnoob011> CreativeWolf I have tried a different cable and port on the router; computer only has one ethernet port, which worked in my old apartment but does not work in my new apartment (new internet and router as of a day or so ago)
[16:07] <linuxnoob011> CreativeWolf: my windows laptop can connect to the router via ethernet, however
[16:08] <hellp> hi
[16:09] <EriC^^> hi
[16:09] <lordcirth> linuxnoob011, what ethernet chip is it? 'lspci'
[16:10] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth Qualcomm Atheros QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet
[16:12] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth i do recall that when i last installed ubuntu (i.e., before this current fresh install), I had to dick around with things to get ethernet to work. IIRC, i just had to upgrade the kernel to something 4.8 or later. i'm currently at 4.10 so that isn't the issue this time around
[16:12] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, Still gets mounted
[16:12] <lordcirth> linuxnoob011, what does 'lsmod | grep alx' return?
[16:13] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: try to modprobe -r the modules that udevadm mentions, scsi_ ... etc
[16:13] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth: lsmod | grep alx
[16:13] <linuxnoob011> alx                    45056  0
[16:13] <linuxnoob011> mdio                   16384  1 alx
[16:13] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: as well as usb_storage and uas
[16:13] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, Okay
[16:13] <lordcirth> linuxnoob011, ok so the driver is running
[16:14] <linuxnoob011> lordcith yes, definitely (one of the first things i chcekd, as this was an issue in earlier distributions, like 12.0x era)
[16:15] <linuxnoob011> is there anything unusual about fios (and how it is installed) that might lead to this issue? i struggle to see how ethernet plug n play could be failing...
[16:17] <renatoneto> i'm still having trouble finding the cause my ubuntu hangs when i shut it down
[16:18] <renatoneto> i'm really clueless, some1 who can offer help?
[16:18] <EriC^^> renatoneto: did you try pressing esc and seeing what it says?
[16:18] <renatoneto> EriC^^ yes, it doesn't do anything
[16:18] <EriC^^> renatoneto: did you try acpi stuff?
[16:18] <EriC^^> (for grub)
[16:18] <om26er> Hi! Can anyone using Unity confirm what this returns for them: `echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP`
[16:18] <netitux> what OS version do u have?
[16:19] <om26er> (in terminal)
[16:19] <EriC^^> Unity
[16:19] <EriC^^> om26er: ^
[16:19] <renatoneto> Eric^^: nope, didn't foul around with apci
[16:19] <om26er> EriC^^: all caps ?
[16:19] <EriC^^> no, literally that
[16:19] <om26er> EriC^^: thanks.
[16:19] <EriC^^> np
[16:20] <om26er> could anyone running Gnome shell do the same ?
[16:20] <om26er> (background: I am writing a software that has some environment specific features, so need to check if I should rely on that variable)
[16:20] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth, woops, i replied earlier but mistyped your name (serves me right for not using tab complete)
[16:21] <lordcirth> linuxnoob011, yeah I'm not sure how to fix it.  Anything in dmesg or syslog?
[16:21] <EriC^^> renatoneto: try sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows
[16:21] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth so right now, the ethernet is disabled, as i don't get wireless connectivity when my ethernet is on.
[16:21] <linuxnoob011> i'll pop the ethernet on, check dmesg and report back
[16:21] <[n0mad]> i use gnome and echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP returns blank
[16:22] <linuxnoob011> my sense is that dmesg shows no errors, but that tcpdump shows a bunch of arp requests asking about the ip address of the gateway
[16:22] <renatoneto> EriC^^:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/25459125/
[16:22] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth, that is, i see the ubuntu computer asking "who has <IP_ADDRESS>"
[16:22] <om26er> [n0mad]: thanks :)
[16:22] <oerheks> omgmaybe this page is a help https://askubuntu.com/a/227669
[16:22] <lordcirth> linuxnoob011, Does your router have logs you can read, or a shell?
[16:23] <EriC^^> renatoneto: do you know how to edit grub and add nomodeset?
[16:23] <lordcirth> Personally I would run tcpdump on my router to see if the arps are getting there
[16:23] <linuxnoob011> lordcirth probably. brand new router so i am super not savvy at it. but it's the default verizon fios router so i'm sure google will have my back
[16:23] <oerheks> echo $GDMSESSION
[16:23] <linuxnoob011> i'm pretty sure arps are not getting there--the router shows the ubuntu comp's ethernet connection as inactive
[16:24] <linuxnoob011> but i'll try to dig into that a bit more. guess i'll do dmesg and tcpdump on my ubuntu comp, then see if i can figure out diagnostics from the router's end, and then i'll report back
[16:24] <renatoneto> EriC^: i'll try that, just so you know, i'm running it inside a VM (VMware ESXi 5.2)
[16:25] <EriC^^> renatoneto: ohh, nevermind then
[16:26] <EriC^^> renatoneto: well, actually who knows i guess, try editing grub, and instead of adding nomodeset, put "acpi_osi="Windows 2006" "
[16:27] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, modprobe -r usb_storage throws error that it's in use, even after removing the drive and none of the other modules (usb, scsi_disk, scsi_host, bdi, scsi_generic) are found
[16:27] <om26er> [n0mad]: last one: what does `echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP` return ?
[16:27] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: remove uas and try again
[16:28] <[n0mad]> om26er: blank
[16:29] <om26er> dude, that session is screwed.
[16:29] <EriC^^> i think XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP usually gives the de
[16:29] <EriC^^> not just unity
[16:29] <EriC^^> i mean it works on lubuntu gnomeshell etc
[16:30] <om26er> EriC^^: yeah, for me it says KDE
[16:32] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, modprobe -r uas did the trick but after reboot it still gets mounted
[16:32] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: blacklist it
[16:33] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, do you think I should add blacklist uas in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf (I've already added modprobe -r uas in /etc/rc.local)
[16:33] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, cool.
[16:35] <CreativeWolf> EriC^^, Thanks a lot, that did the trick!
[16:35] <EriC^^> CreativeWolf: cool, np
[16:36] <renatoneto> EriC^^ : when i try to update-grub it says "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: 2006: not found"
[16:36] <EriC^^> renatoneto: type "cat /etc/default/grub | nc termview.me 9999"
[16:36] <EriC^^> paste the link it gives you here
[16:37] <renatoneto> EriC^^ http://termview.me/vkmf
[16:38] <renatoneto> EriC^^ note my shutdown problem only occurs when i have net.ifnames=0 set
[16:38] <EriC^^> renatoneto: make it "acpi_osi=\"Windows 2006\""
[16:38] <EriC^^> ah
[16:40] <renatoneto> EriC^^: just for the record, i've tried rebooting with  "acpi_osi=\"Windows 2006\"" but it didn't change a thing
[16:43] <[n0mad]> om26er: hahaha i'm dumb
[16:44] <[n0mad]> I was in an ssh and didn't even notice
[16:44] <[n0mad]> echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP = gnome
[16:44] <om26er> [n0mad]: cool, that would explain it :)
[16:44] <[n0mad]> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP = GNOME
[16:44] <EriC^^> renatoneto: oh ok
[16:48] <pinkisntwell> I just installed ubuntu 16.04 as a Vagrant VM and for the life of me I can't get syntax highlighting to work
[17:06] <stumpys> Is there a way to restore a win10 mbr using a ubuntu (xubuntu) live(ish) usb drive?
[17:14] <EriC^^> !info install-mbr
[17:14] <EriC^^> !info install-mbr xenial
[17:15] <EriC^^> !info mbr xenial
[17:15] <EriC^^> stumpys: https://askubuntu.com/questions/5748/how-to-restore-windows-7-mbr-without-a-cd
[17:25] <stumpys> EriC^^/ubottu Thx for the pointers, will check them (and the link) out. much appreciated.
[17:44] <maxcell_> 17.10?
[17:44] <maxcell_> how its going?
[17:49] <EriC^^> stumpys: np
[17:53] <rfshark> what sox do?
[18:00] <illuminated> why is google chrome ignoring my mime type settings.  I have a mime type set for torrents, and when I open the .torrent file via chrome it opens in anything other than the program I've specified.  the .torrent file opens correctly when I open it via nautilus and it opens with the correct program in firefox.  chrome, however, nope.
[18:01] <birdman007> I put the ubuntu iso image on a flash drive with rufus and it boots into grub instead of the regular live wm enviroment. How do i boot into ubuntu?
[18:01] <Ben64> birdman007: well what happens after grub
[18:03] <birdman007> it boot into the grub cli, grub>
[18:04] <Ben64> then the usb wasn't created properly
[18:05] <birdman007> ive done it a couple of times using rufus and pendrive and it still wont boot properly, could it be the flash drive
[18:05] <EriC^^> birdman007: try "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[18:06] <birdman007> EriC^^: alright, lets see what happens
[18:07] <rfshark> what sox command do?
[18:09] <Ben64> rfshark: man sox
[18:09] <rfshark> thanks Ben64
[18:09] <rfshark> :)
[18:09] <godsring> Hey there I am having an issue setting up mobile broadband with a samsung galaxy s8 on any 12+ version of ubuntu or any other flavour It gives me a message on my phone when it attempts to connect invalid mmi or bad connection but it sets up fine as a modem on windows
[18:09] <rfshark> man sox
[18:09] <rfshark> No manual entry for sox
[18:10] <godsring> As my cell is my only source of net this prevents me from using linux without a work around
[18:10] <[n0mad]> rfshark: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/sox.1.html
[18:11] <rfshark> thanks [n0mad]
[18:11] <rfshark> :)
[18:14] <godsring> At one time ubuntu had very dedicated support for DUN connections
[18:15] <godsring> Used to never have issues with mobile devices
[18:15] <godsring> I suppose that was actuallu due to whoever maintains the networking portion of the code and drivers
[18:16] <godsring> Regardless though if it works on windows using drivers from 2005 it should work on linux
[18:20] <godsring> I guess im stuck using windows 10
[18:43] <keb_> anyone use rofi with ubuntu? trying to figure out how to set it up with hotkeys to pull up the launcher. can't find a guide anywhere.
[18:46] <ducasse> keb_: the man page is really good, i use rofi a lot
[18:47] <keb_> ducasse, i've been looking at the manpage, but perhaps i'm too nooby to understand lol. once i install it, should i be able to use a hotkey to bring up the launcher?
[18:47] <keb_> or does that have to be specified somewhere
[18:49] <ducasse> keb_: you have to bind it to a key and launch it with the modes you want, "rofi -i -show" will open it in default mode. (-i means non-case sensitive)
[18:50] <keb_> ducasse, i just tried 'rofi -i -show' but nothing happens
[18:50] <keb_> do i have to specify window or run mode?
[18:51] <ducasse> it works here, which version are you using?
[18:52] <keb_> ducasse, 0.15.11
[18:53] <ducasse> oh, that is ancient. yes, that had a daemon mode. you configure rofi through the x resources to act on whatever key you want, then launch it.
[18:53] <ducasse> it has changed quite dramatically :)
[18:53] <keb_> ducasse, ahh where can i find a more modern version?
[18:54] <keb_> is there a new ppa?
[18:55] <ducasse> which release are you running?
[18:55] <keb_> xubuntu 16.10
[18:55] <ducasse> erm.., that is eol...
[18:56] <ducasse> you need to upgrade
[18:56] <keb_> woops
[18:56] <keb_> ducasse, sorry i meant 16.04 LTS
[18:59] <ducasse> keb_: try "deb http://debian.sur5r.net/rofi/ xenial universe", but that is of course totally unsupported
[19:00] <keb_> ducasse, i thought 16.04 is still supported Ubuntu? :(
[19:00] <keb_> what is the newest version?
[19:01] <kostkon> keb_, it's still supported (and will be until april 2021). 3rd party repos do not get support here.
[19:01] <EriC^^> the release is, the ppa isn't technically supported by the channel, like "officially"
[19:01] <ducasse> keb_: 16.04 is still supported. latest official rofi is 1.3.1, which is in that repo
[19:02] <keb_> ah i see thank you
[19:03] <godsring> Hmm
[19:03] <godsring> Is my question supported here
[19:03] <godsring> Mentioning that it is a mmi issue
[19:04] <godsring> I honestly dont know where else to go
[19:04] <keb_> ducasse, is "deb http://debian.sur5r.net/rofi/ xenial universe" a command? how can i add this so that i can download a newer version of rofi? thanks. :S
[19:05] <EriC^^> keb_: echo "deb http://debian.sur5r.net/rofi/ xenial universe" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rofi.list
[19:05] <godsring> I suppose I need someone who knows how the mobile broadband feature works in the network manager
[19:05] <EriC^^> use that command, followed by sudo apt-get update
[19:05] <fuser> Is it possible to upgrade to 17.10 beta from 17.04?
[19:05] <ducasse> keb_: put it ib a file, call it /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rofi.list
[19:05] <EriC^^> fuser: no
[19:05] <fuser> ok thanks
[19:05] <EriC^^> wait
[19:06] <fuser> ok
[19:06] <EriC^^> thought you meant downgrade, yeah it is possible
[19:06] <fuser> and would this beta then be upgradable to the standard later release?
[19:06] <EriC^^> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:06] <godsring> At this point I would take any suggestions
[19:06] <fuser> okay cool, I'm really looking forward to some fixes that are in there, at the risk of other bugs!
[19:06] <ducasse> keb_: you can give -show arguments like a list of modes, all this is in the man page
[19:06] <fuser> Thanks Eric
[19:07] <EriC^^> fuser: sure, np
[19:07] <keb_> thanks ducasse and EriC^^ i will try to install the new version now :)
[19:08] <godsring> $5 if you can fix my issue with the mobile broadband networking and my samsung galaxy s8?
[19:08] <hackedhead> how can I install 17.04 without installing a bootloader
[19:09] <hackedhead> (i have an existing LILO bootloader in place that I will add ubuntu into)
[19:09] <ioria> sudo ubiquity --no-bootloader ?
[19:10] <EriC^^> hackedhead: ubiquity -b or the above
[19:10] <ducasse> !patience | godsring
[19:11] <hackedhead> thanks, trying
[19:12] <godsring> I get an error when trying to use mobile broadband connection with my samsung galaxy s8. A message displays on my phones screen saying invalid mmi or invalid connection. This issue is not present in windows 7-10 using the 2006 samsung modem driver
[19:12] <godsring> The mmi code appears the same as whats used in windows *99#
[19:14] <hackedhead> let's hope skipping the 3rd party and updates will allow me to complete installation without running out of space... (on the ramdisk? i guess?)
[19:14] <silvian> Hai World!
[19:14] <cyphex> Hello, can someone please help me create a bootable win7 usb. I've been trying to do that for the past 10 hours and I'm starting to lose it.
[19:14] <godsring> A solution such as a way to issue a dun connection without the network manager would help aswell
[19:14] <godsring> Are you on linux or windows cyphex?
[19:15] <EriC^^> cyphex: you tried winusb i presume?
[19:15] <cyphex> I'm on 17.04 ubuntu
[19:15] <cyphex> tried woeusb since I read that winusb is not working
[19:15] <EriC^^> oh
[19:15] <ducasse> cyphex: http://askubuntu.com/questions/289559/how-can-i-create-a-windows-bootable-usb-stick-using-ubuntu
[19:15] <godsring> Have you tried copying over the files and setting up the drive manually
[19:15] <cyphex> yep
[19:15] <godsring> Hmm
[19:16] <godsring> Are you trying to do UEFI?
[19:16] <cyphex> godsring, whatever works
[19:17] <godsring> You could try using unetbootin
[19:17] <cyphex> didn't they drop support for windows images?
[19:17] <silvian> cyphex: are you trying to build a win 7 image using Ubuntu?
[19:17] <EriC^^> cyphex: check the link ducasse gave you, it has a ton of solutions
[19:17] <godsring> Not to my knowledge regardless you would partition with gparted anyhow
[19:18] <cyphex> EriC^^, I've tried most of them to no avail
[19:18] <EriC^^> cyphex: does the windows image you have support uefi?
[19:18] <cyphex> silvian, I have an image ready, I need to flash it to the usb media and be able to boot from it
[19:18] <EriC^^> making a uefi bootable usb is easy
[19:18] <godsring> Here is a good guide for you cyphex
[19:18] <godsring> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html
[19:18] <godsring> Will guide you through using unetbootin
[19:19] <cyphex> I'll give that a shot, thanks
[19:19] <EriC^^> cyphex: are you trying to dual boot with your current ubuntu?
[19:19] <hackedhead> last resort: microsoft will mail you such a USB ;-)
[19:20] <silvian> cyphex: if you are building it using ubuntu then strongly recommend Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator app :)
[19:20] <cyphex> my story is long and painful EriC^^
[19:20] <EriC^^> silvian: that's just for ubuntu images
[19:20] <ioria> silvian, why you say that ? have you tried it ?
[19:20] <godsring> I feel where you are coming from cyphex I have also had to go back to windows
[19:21] <EriC^^> cyphex: if you use uefi it will become less painful
[19:21] <godsring> 16.10 onward has had loads of driver issues
[19:23] <godsring> You should listen to some of Bryan Lunduke's videos
[19:23] <ducasse> godsring: us? why? we are support volunteers only.
[19:23] <silvian> i would have thought that startup disk creator would take any .iso file... i guess not?
[19:24] <silvian> last resort would be to use dd
[19:24] <akik> silvian: neither works for windows isos
[19:24] <EriC^^> silvian: that's also for linux hybrid iso images
[19:24] <ducasse> no, windows iso's are not hybrid images
[19:24] <cyphex> yeah, dd doesn't work with windows because microsoft is special
[19:25] <godsring> Try using rufus with DD if you are on windows
[19:26] <EriC^^> cyphex: for uefi all you have to do is make a fat32 partition and extract the iso there, you'll know if it's uefi if it has a efi dir in it
[19:26] <godsring> I have made a few good ubuntu usb drives with rufus
[19:26] <EriC^^> i doubt win7 was uefi though
[19:26] <godsring> Windows 7 definitely supports uefi
[19:26] <godsring> Just not secure boot
[19:26] <silvian> oh that's really annoying... so you have to install windows to create bootable windows install USB stick lol!
[19:27] <akik> silvian: you can create it in linux just fine
[19:27] <godsring> You could just take your windows image make a virtualbox install of it
[19:27] <godsring> use rufus to put it on a drive
[19:27] <EriC^^> cyphex: are you going to dual boot with ubuntu?
[19:27] <godsring> I have done that before as well
[19:28] <godsring> As a game developer I wish supporting linux wasnt so painful
[19:28] <cyphex> EriC^^, I wanna install win7 and then my usual linux distro (manjaro)
[19:28] <silvian> cypex: oh BINGO https://unetbootin.github.io/
[19:29] <EriC^^> cyphex: ok, extract the iso to a fat32 usb
[19:29] <cyphex> EriC^^, I've tried that
[19:29] <silvian> I think I foudn it... unetbootin was a tool i used to use on windows back in the day to make USB bootable linux images. I guess its cross platform :)
[19:29] <EriC^^> does it have an efi dir? cyphex
[19:29] <godsring> silvian yes I told him about that I think he was having issue with it
[19:29] <cyphex> I'm trying out unetbootin right now, I'll check afterwards if it doesn't work out
[19:30] <silvian> cybpex: cool best of luck
[19:30] <cyphex> thanks
[19:30] <godsring> cyphex as a last resort you could setup a vm and put the iso on with rufus from there
[19:30] <silvian> cyphex i can't even spell lol
[19:30] <cyphex> godsring, I tried to set up a VM but qemu decided to hit me with all the bugs it could find
[19:31] <cyphex> everything just went wrong for me today lol
[19:31] <godsring> You could try the trial of vmware OR you could use vitrualbox cyphex
[19:31] <cyphex> vmware didn't work either
[19:31] <cyphex> I am a broken man at this point
[19:31] <godsring> Now that is weird
[19:31] <ioria> remember something about mkusb ...
[19:31] <silvian> cyphex: VM WORK DIDN'T WORK??? That's unpossible! :D
[19:31] <cyphex> hahaha
[19:32] <godsring> Well his drive my be corrupt or his install of ubuntu is just broken
[19:32] <godsring> might*
[19:32] <cyphex> I installed ubuntui because I thought my manjaro install was messed up
[19:32] <silvian> I've always reliad on VMware... because its very stable and supports nearly everything you can throw at it.
[19:33] <silvian> I have a personal vendetta with virtual box.  I am saved
[19:37] <cyphex> I LOVE ALL OF YOU DEEPLY AND FOREVER
[19:37] <zachg5757> Hello
[19:38] <zachg5757> Can I get some help booting into my ubuntu partition?
[19:38] <hackedhead> i'm trying to use boot-repair, but I'm getting gzip: stdout: No space left on device when trying to generate the initramfs
[19:38] <hackedhead> (I'm booted into a liveUSB 17.04)
[19:38] <silvian> cyphex: well done indeed! So now qemu is our new lord and saviour :D
[19:39] <hackedhead> my target boot partition is a 100MB LV
[19:40] <cyphex> hackedhead, have you mounted your boot partition? (or the partition that contains it)
[19:41] <ducasse> hackedhead: 'sudo apt autoremove'
[19:41] <hackedhead> I assume boot-repair did the appropriate thing that it wanted, I'm following it's instructions
[19:41] <hackedhead> ducasse: i'm not booted into the target system, so that seems unlikely to help
[19:41] <hackedhead> I can grow the LV....
[19:41] <zachg5757> I'm using ubuntu 1604 and I've been trying to set up grub to dual boot ubuntu and windows 10 on two different ssds
[19:41] <hackedhead> but how large would I expect it to need to be?
[19:42] <ducasse> hackedhead: chroot into it, then
[19:42] <zachg5757> But for some reason I'm now in recover mode on ubuntu and I can't boot into windows 10
[19:42] <zachg5757> This happened from boot-recovery
[19:42] <zachg5757> and os prober
[19:42] <hackedhead> cyphex: it certainly looks mounted, per mount/df, and the boot-repair command that is failing is using a chroot, so I assume it's already mounted in the expected place
[19:42] <hackedhead> ducasse: thing is... this is a brand new install
[19:43] <hackedhead> but let's try it.
[19:43] <ducasse> hackedhead: a 100mb /boot is a bit small imo
[19:44] <hackedhead> ducasse: autoremove failed with the same error =P
[19:44] <hackedhead> ducasse: okay, what's appropriate?
[19:44] <hackedhead> (I figured that storing a couple kernels and initrds would not consume much room, but apparently ubuntu wants to do other things with that partition as well.....)
[19:45] <akik> hackedhead: one kernel + other files for that version takes about 50 megs
[19:46] <hackedhead> akik: yeah, i'm okig around now, apparently the existing initrd is 43MB
[19:46] <hackedhead> which is a lot larger than I expected
[19:46] <zachg5757> Whenever someone get's a chance, ping me please. I'll hop back onto this tab
[19:48] <marcisb> Hello all how i can see my ipconfig info like in windows with command ipconfig
[19:48] <marcisb> simillar in ubuntu
[19:48] <marcisb> ?
[19:48] <ducasse> zachg5757: you need to re-ask every 15-20 minutes, or nothing will happen
[19:48] <silvian> marcisb: ifconfig
[19:49] <marcisb> ok thx
[19:49] <hackedhead> okay. now 500MB, seems to be working
[19:49] <silvian> you're welcome :)
[19:49] <hackedhead> TIL
[19:49] <zachg5757> ducasse: Thanks. I'll be sure to keep reasking. I just didn't want to clog up the chat
[19:49] <marcisb> I ḿ windows user who understand linux is way better : )
[19:51] <silvian> marcisb: another alternative is also: ip a
[19:51] <silvian> so you got choices ;)
[19:51] <marcisb> silvian, Thank yu so much i like learn linux with help
[19:52] <silvian> marcisb: linux is a lot of fun especially when you have a good community to back you up
[19:53] <marcisb> silvian, Yes : )
[19:54] <zachg5757> Can someone help me with my ubuntu boot issues
[19:54] <godsring> Linux is better in the sense of its core mission perhaps
[19:54] <godsring> As a game developer Windows is still better
[19:55] <godsring> Though linux is getting better then it used to be
[19:55] <silvian> macrisb: also if you have spare 5-6 minutes a day i recommend you watch some of these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klP_Ik9NN7o
[19:55] <godsring> Developing on linux is a pain the lack of dedicated driver support is a pain etc
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> godsring  as opposed to windows, you mean?
[19:55] <silvian> I highly recommend them to beginners and even some advanced users who wish to learn more
[19:56] <godsring> Comparing windows and linux yes monkeydust
[19:57] <godsring> With the direction windows is taking with its linux subsystem it might end the need of us developers even using linux
[19:58] <godsring> As sad as it may be
[19:58] <hackedhead> godsring: hahahahahahaha
[19:59] <oerheks> how is this related to ubuntu technical support? try #ubuntu-discuss or offtopic?
[19:59] <hackedhead> call me when windows fixes it's windowing stack, process control and has a decent terminal emulator
[19:59] <hackedhead> oerheks: apologies, i'll drop it.
[20:00] <MonkeyDust> godsring  i'm sure you're right ...  https://insights.ubuntu.com/case-studies/ ...
[20:02] <zachg5757> Can I get some help with setting up my bootable drives?
[20:04] <godsring> I would say more but oerheks has a point its not entirely related to #ubuntu tech support
[20:04] <oerheks> #ubuntu-on-windows is usually dead
[20:07] <zachg5757> Is anyone around that can help? I can't login to my computer
[20:07] <silvian> zachg5757: how can we help you? what is the issue?
[20:07] <lordcirth> It's in scrollback
[20:07] <lordcirth> zachg5757, BIOS or EFI?
[20:08] <zachg5757> I'm not too sure. How can I check this? I think EFI though
[20:08] <hackedhead> when using LVM, should grub be installed to /dev/sda MBR or /dev/dm-# (the LV)
[20:09] <lordcirth> hackedhead, sda, BIOS doesn't understand LVM
[20:09] <zachg5757> And the issue is that when I login to ubuntu, it says that there are errors reading usb devices then it shows up in a terminal on a black screen. I think it's recovery mode
[20:10] <silvian> zachg5757 so you got past your Grub menu yes?
[20:10] <hackedhead> .... core.img unusually large, embedding failed, but embeding is required for LVM
[20:10] <hackedhead> so now what?
[20:10] <zachg5757> silvian Yes. I did. But in my grub menu, I don't see my Windows boot disk which is a separate issue
[20:11] <lordcirth> hackedhead, did you forget to leave a 1MB space before your partitions?
[20:11] <silvian> hmm ok one thing at a time (although they could be related). What USB devices do you have plugged in?
[20:11] <hackedhead> lordcirth: likely, since this is system used to just boot via LILO
[20:12] <silvian> and are you booting ubuntu from usb or directly off your main drive?
[20:12] <zachg5757> The usual stuff. Mouse, keyboard, bluetooth connector and a web cam. I have ubuntu installed on its own SSD
[20:13] <zachg5757> I can still use my keyboard when it's in the terminal though
[20:13] <silvian> ok that is interesting...
[20:13] <zachg5757> I was booting in successfully before
[20:13] <silvian> first thing I would try (I suspect this is kernel/driver issues with usb devices) is to boot back into the Grub menu and downgrade the kernel. Select a previous kernel installed from the menu.
[20:13] <lordcirth> hackedhead, so, this is an existing install you are switching from LILO to GRUB?
[20:14] <silvian> zachg5757: yeah try downgrading kernel first and lets see how it behaves :)
[20:14] <hackedhead> lordcirth: it's an existing slackware install on LVM using LILO
[20:14] <hackedhead> (LILO also boots windows of sdb)
[20:14] <hackedhead> (or did, it's been blown awaay by repeated attempts to get ubuntu going)
[20:15] <hackedhead> ubuntu has two LVs of its own (50G /,500MB /boot)
[20:15] <hackedhead> sda is one big PV with (now) 4LVs
[20:15] <hackedhead> all in one volgroup
[20:15] <zachg5757> I was attempting to get windows to appear on grub and following some tutorials. I used os prober to find windows but that actually broke the windows partition. Second, I used boot-repair and that stopped my ubuntu from allowing me to log in
[20:15] <zachg5757> silvian. How do I downgrade it? I'm in grub
[20:15] <hackedhead> (and I want to preserve the slackware install)
[20:16] <silvian> ok so in your grub menu is you use the down arrows do you see more kernel versions listed?
[20:16] <silvian> like <IP_ADDRESS>-generic 4.4.092-generic etc
[20:17] <zachg5757> I have "Advanced options for ubuntu", "efi/ubuntu/mmx64.efi", "efi/ubuntu/mmx64.efi sdb1", and "system setup"
[20:17] <zachg5757> And of course "ubuntu"
[20:17] <silvian> ubuntu usually keeps a few backed up old kernels
[20:17] <silvian> ok try advanced options
[20:17] <silvian> and lets see if they're in there
[20:18] <zachg5757> "Yup That has some old versions of linux. It has 4.10.0-33-generic and 4.10.0-28-generic as is, as (upstart) and as (recovery mode)
[20:18] <silvian> perfect try the older one
[20:18] <silvian> <IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[20:19] <zachg5757> It's starting the same showing usb usb1-port1: unable to enumerate USB device and the same for usb4-port 1. And now it's in recovery mode again
[20:21] <silvian> interesting...
[20:22] <zachg5757> I did change my /etc/fstab as I found online. I commented out everything in a hope that my computer woudl reboot and automagically fix it
[20:23] <silvian> hmm can you try to put /etc/fstab back the way it was?
[20:24] <silvian> and then lets walk back to what changed before this started to happen. Because the cause here might be the last thing that changed on the system before it started to go wrong
[20:27] <zachg5757> Woo! Somehow that turned my ubuntu partition back on. Thanks! Let me check to see if windows boots. Question though. What is the difference between uefi and bios?
[20:27] <silvian> zachg5757: here a tip i learned from experience... never change /etc/ config files without taking a backup of it ;)
[20:28] <silvian> you'll never know when you need to roll them back :P
[20:28] <zachg5757> Hahaha I'll take that to heart. Thank goodness I didn't delete it and just commented out 3 lines
[20:29] <silvian> ok so UEFI (aka the Devil) is the *cough* new *cough* Mac had it for ages *cough* *cough* way to do bootloaders for PCs
[20:29] <silvian> as a replacement for BIOS aka the Basic Information Operating System
[20:29] <silvian> BIOS dates back way back around the 80s
[20:30] <silvian> its a simple way to provide basic OS and utilities aka drivers for keyboard and basic graphics/text to the PC using a read only memory chip on the mother board an EPROM chip
[20:30] <ducasse> 'basic input/output system', actually
[20:31] <silvian> this then helps load up and boot the OS or boot from a floppy disk etc etc
[20:31] <silvian> does basic utitites and configs
[20:31] <tesla_> apparently a uefi is capable of running a web browser is this true
[20:31] <silvian> UEFI is a more advanced bootloader with a lot more features and security. Even has mouse suport. Same idea as the bios except because of its security focus it can be a lot more controlling and restrictive
[20:32] <tesla_> ((security))
[20:32] <zachg5757> And this bios is different from mother board bios? Or is it the same
[20:32] <silvian> can cause nightmares with some linux distros that are not supported by certain UEFI makers etc.
[20:32] <zachg5757> And should I be looking to use bios mainly instead of uefi?
[20:33] <silvian> well to be honest you won't have a choice for much longer. ALL PC manufacturers are moving to UEFI
[20:33] <silvian> Ubuntu is quite well supported but you can certainly run into trouble with other distros especially if you're running your own.
[20:33] <marcisb> I have problem with chrome browser it loses connection of internet
[20:33] <marcisb> Its bug or something like that?
[20:34] <silvian> ideally if you like doing distro hopping playing with other wierd OSes its a good idea to have a BIOS. Its a lot more flexible allows you to do anything.
[20:34] <tesla_> yeah but most UEFI implementations can emulate BIOS though right?
[20:34] <silvian> tesla_ maybe I have little experience with UEFI outside of a Mac. All my PCs run BIOS.
[20:35] <zachg5757> Ok. So probebly UEFI would be best for me because at the moment, I only want to use windows 10 and ubuntu stable
[20:35] <zachg5757> But to be honest, whatever works I like haha
[20:35] <akik> zachg5757: both win10 and ubuntu can use the bios scheme
[20:36] <silvian> exactly. zachg5757 especially since it  provides more security at boot. protects your master boot record and has better support updates from manufacturers. stick to what works for you
[20:37] <silvian> marcisb do you have another browser installed like firfox? Have you tested to ensure its not your internet connection but in fact its the browser?
[20:37] <zachg5757> Ok. ok. I don't even know what it started with hahaha. So I'll leave it with defaults. Now why do you think my windows partition doesn't boot up?
[20:38] <ducasse> tesla_: most uefi firmwares so far has csm (compatibilty support mode) to offer legacy bios support, but that will probably disappear eventually
[20:38] <zachg5757> I get an error that I can't mount it when I try to open it with a windows manager
[20:38] <silvian> zachg5757 does it appear in your grub menu?
[20:39] <zachg5757> No.
[20:40] <silvian> ok extra fun for you zachg5757 we have to recover grub
[20:40] <zachg5757> :( fun... I can get to my grub menu, but windows does not appear in it
[20:42] <silvian> yeah i recon we need to reinstall grub
[20:42] <silvian> its probably a little bit upset
[20:43] <zachg5757> Ok. Do you think that it's all grub? Because even if I boot my Windows ssd from my bios, it doesn't log in
[20:44] <silvian> ok wait can you get to windows at all? I thought the first problem was that windows did not appear in your grub menu
[20:44] <marcisb> silvian, Yes i have firefox also
[20:44] <marcisb> I go to test firefox
[20:45] <zachg5757> Well yes. That was the issue before, but after I ran os-prober, I could no longer boot into windowx
[20:45] <marcisb> Which is best browser for ubuntu?
[20:46] <lordcirth> marcisb, that's a matter of opinion. Firefox is default.  Chromium is in the repos
[20:46] <ducasse> marcisb: we can't tell you which is best for you
[20:46] <silvian> marcisb: I'm quite happy with Firefox myself but if you prefer chrome you can also install it.
[20:46] <unholymachine> why would ubuntu 16.04.2 not show my access point but show others in the area?
[20:46] <akik> zachg5757: silvian: it could be just running "sudo update-grub" will fix it
[20:46] <zachg5757> However, sudo fdisk -l shows /dev/sdb1 throuigh /dev/sdb4 which has my Microsoft reserved, "Windows recovery environment" "efi system" and "Microsoft basic data"
[20:46] <silvian> yeah i was going to suggest that next to zachg5757
[20:46] <zachg5757> Idk. I can try it again, but recently update-grub has not been fixing it
[20:47] <silvian> what i meant by reinstall grub
[20:47] <silvian> but you may need to do the full install though
[20:48] <zachg5757> When I run `sudo update-grub` I get some linux and initrd images found but then "Failed to probe /dev/sdb4 for filesystem type" which is my main windows data storage spot
[20:48] <silvian> marcisb: regarding your issue with chrome... was just thinking. Are you sure you haven't played with the proxy settings inside chrome settings?
[20:49] <Audio> Hey, I have a problem with the make command, can anyone help me?
[20:49] <silvian> ok zachg5757 run fdisk -l
[20:49] <silvian> as root of course sudo
[20:49] <unholymachine> it's strange because the access point has no trouble being found under windows . . .
[20:50] <zachg5757> Yup. What are you looking for in particular
[20:50] <Audio> Well the make command fails,
[20:50] <marcisb> silvian, I go to check proxy settings in chrome
[20:50] <Audio> I installed opencv
[20:50] <silvian> if sdb4 show up and what type of file system does it detect?
[20:50] <zachg5757> It does and it's type "Microsoft basic data"
[20:51] <Audio> 2.4, because I need it for LSD_SLAM, however when I come to the step where 'make' is required it fails
[20:51] <silvian> does it get listed as NTFS or FAT or something?
[20:51] <Audio> I have been following this tutorial http://www.pyimagesearch.com/2015/06/22/install-opencv-3-0-and-python-2-7-on-ubuntu/
[20:51] <zachg5757> Mm I don't see anything about NTFS or FAT
[20:51] <zachg5757> Disklabel type of sdb is gpt
[20:52] <Audio> I can provide the errors too if you'd like zachg5757
[20:52] <zachg5757> What's that Audio?
[20:52] <silvian> can you do a paste of your fdisk -l output?
[20:53] <silvian> use pastebin and put the link below
[20:53] <Audio> oh, sorry I thought you were referring to me
[20:53] <silvian> soz i meant zachg5757
[20:55] <zachg5757> Hahaha Sorry. Sure. I'll pastebin it
[20:57] <zachg5757> https://gist.github.com/Zman94/8ff73029f8606c70c66e38c0d7a8e9a0
[20:58] <marcisb> Which best software in linux for fast notes?
[20:58] <EriC^^> zachg5757: what's happening right now when you boot?
[20:58] <marcisb> All using default desktop environment of ubuntu?
[20:58] <zachg5757> It opens up in grub showing ubuntu
[20:58] <zachg5757> Sorry let me finish that message EriC^^
[20:59] <EriC^^> zachg5757: ok, you want windows there as well?
[20:59] <EriC^^> ok
[20:59] <zachg5757> If I boot onto my windows disk it says please insert a bootable drive and press any key. I want to be able to log in to windows first, and I want grub to show it too
[20:59] <stumpys> will using "install-mbr" or writing mbr.bin to my win drv screw things up if my win drive is efi, and/or encrypted using bitlocker?
[21:00] <silvian> ok cool lets check a few things first. Can you mount /dev/sdb4 somewhere in /mnt/windows or something similar zachg5757
[21:01] <silvian> and see if you can read the filesystem in linux first of all?
[21:01] <silvian> just ruling out any data corruption on your sdb drive
[21:01] <silvian> or parittion
[21:01] <EriC^^> zachg5757: what do you mean if you boot into the windows disk?
[21:02] <EriC^^> you mean selecting it in the grub screen or ?
[21:02] <ducasse> stumpys: try asking that in ##windows
[21:02] <marcisb> silvian, Do you know which desktop environment is better for web developer?
[21:02] <zachg5757> silvian I tried to open my windows volume in nautilus and i'm unable to access it. Let me post my error to another pastebin
[21:02] <silvian> EriC^^ I don't think zachg5757 can even see windows in his grub menu yet
[21:03] <zachg5757> EriC^^ I boot directly to the disk in my Bios. It doesn't show up in grub
[21:03] <silvian> ok zachg5757 don't forget you may need root to open it
[21:03] <EriC^^> zachg5757: aha
[21:03] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try "sudo update-grub" in ubuntu and see if it mentions windows
[21:04] <silvian> marcisb again based on personal preference I like GNOME desktop. I think it offers both simplicity and flexibility I like my desktop to be minimalistic
[21:04] <zachg5757> silvian I posted it as a comment on the pastebin. How do I mount it?
[21:04] <EriC^^> zachg5757: when you're selecting your windows disk in the bios, are you selecting the uefi hdd version? i'm guessing no
[21:05] <zachg5757> EriC^^ update-grub says Failed to probe /dev/sdb4 for filesystem type
[21:05] <silvian> i don't like having to mess with it so much hence i don't like kde as much but to be honest whatever works for you and your workflow. Also if you have low resources XFCE is also a good choice as it keeps ram usage very low. Hope this helps marcisb
[21:05] <marcisb> silvian, How i can get gnome desktop? : )
[21:06] <marcisb> silvian, THank you about suggestion
[21:06] <EriC^^> zachg5757: aha
[21:06] <zachg5757> marcisb I personally use i3wm
[21:06] <EriC^^> zachg5757: what does "sudo mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt" give you?
[21:07] <zachg5757> but here's a link for ubuntu gnome. It should work fine if you are installing it from terminal. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/how-to-install-gnome-38-on-ubuntu/
[21:07] <zachg5757> I'd imaging
[21:08] <zachg5757> EriC^^ I boot from the SATA drive directly. The Windows Boot Manager with my drive sends me right back to bios
[21:08] <silvian> zachg5757 I replied to your comment :)
[21:08] <zachg5757> For some reason, I have a windows boot manager and a linux boot manager for every disk wihch is weird
[21:08] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb | nc termview.me 9999
[21:09] <zachg5757> sylvian Thanks! I'll try mounting it now
[21:09] <zachg5757> silvian how do I open the drive as root?
[21:09] <silvian> marcisb if you are already running ubuntu you can get it from apt install or synaptic package manager and run it along side Unity if you like.
[21:10] <zachg5757> Hey why are my drives flip flopping so much? fdisk -l now shows windows as sda and ubuntu as sdb
[21:10] <silvian> or you can install a dedicated Ubuntu distribution running with gnome by default
[21:11] <silvian> zachg5757 from the terminal you can sudo mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt/yourfolder
[21:11] <silvian> then as root you can navigate and view the files inside it
[21:11] <EriC^^> zachg5757: if you add that line to fstab ubuntu might not boot anymore too
[21:11] <zachg5757> O! I just realized you sent that line in the pastebin
[21:12] <zachg5757> Should I add the line? I can always try removing it after if it breaks
[21:12] <EriC^^> zachg5757: no, it doesn't make much sense
[21:13] <EriC^^> you can try mounting it with those options if you want manually, but anyways i think the drive is toast or something cause it has input/output errors, run the smart test on it and see what you get
[21:13] <silvian> here's one for you marcisb http://ubuntugnome.org/
[21:13] <zachg5757> I just posted the output of the mount command
[21:14] <silvian> or you could wait until ubuntu 17.10 comes out. As it will come with GNOME by default and all subsequent releases of Ubuntu will only have GNOME. ;)
[21:14] <silvian> Unity destkop is being dropped.
[21:14] <zachg5757> What's the smart test?
[21:14] <zachg5757> silvian why is ubuntu swapping away from unity?
[21:15] <pulsar12> i always felt that unity was resource hog
[21:15] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb | nc termview.me 9999
[21:16] <zachg5757> Eric^^ did you mean /dev/sda?
[21:16] <zachg5757> My windows drive is now sda for some reason
[21:17] <silvian> Ubuntu has lost insterest in supporting unity. I guess after their failed Ubuntu Touch phone and Unity convergence projects perhaps?
[21:17] <EriC^^> zachg5757: odd, ok
[21:17] <silvian> GNOME will be the default desktop environment starting with 17.10 so that it will be ready and well tested and stable come 18.04 LTS release next year.
[21:17] <zachg5757> So /dev/sda?
[21:17] <EriC^^> yup
[21:18] <zachg5757> EriC^^ termview.me/q3e1
[21:18] <EriC^^> it should give you a link back to the results paste it here
[21:19] <silvian> oh that is interesting zachg5757 so what does fdisk -l say now? that sda4 is your windows main partition?
[21:19] <zachg5757> Yup
[21:19] <silvian> interesting... lol
[21:19] <EriC^^> zachg5757: i think the smart results are good
[21:19] <silvian> i'm confused about your computer here it seems to have a mind of its own
[21:20] <EriC^^> there's just PORT_Recovery_Count which is 39 i dont know what that means though
[21:20] <zachg5757> I'm confused by it too. I don't know boot drives too well :(
[21:20] <silvian> you could try grub update again
[21:21] <silvian> and then maybe try to reboot and use grub to see if you can find and get into your windows
[21:21] <silvian> oh i remembered i also used this grub recovery tool before which comes in quite handy and provides a GUI zachg5757 if you want to give it a try
[21:21] <silvian> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update
[21:22] <silvian> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[21:22] <zachg5757> Nope. Can't probe the windows image still. I can try rebooting, but I don't imagine it'll do too much
[21:22] <EriC^^> zachg5757: i think you should join ##windows and see what they say, probably something along the lines of booting a windows usb and running chkdisk or something
[21:22] <zachg5757> I used boot-repair silvian. That's what broke myubuntu boot hahaha
[21:23] <zachg5757> And os-prober is what broke my windows boot
[21:23] <silvian> ah you're having a fun day then zachg5757
[21:23] <zachg5757> hm I can definitely try that.
[21:23] <zachg5757> I might join then talk to them later
[21:23] <marcisb> WHat shortcut to minimize something in ubuntu?
[21:23] <zachg5757> I've got hw I need to do first :/ I might even just reinstall windows if it doesn't work and then just not use a boot loader
[21:24] <EriC^^> marcisb: alt followed by space quickly then n
[21:24] <zachg5757> I don't know why I'm having so many issues with grub and windows and ubuntu
[21:25] <silvian> ok lets try now sudo update-grub then reboot and lets see if we got anywhere zachg5757
[21:25] <EriC^^> zachg5757: maybe ntfsfix can do something good for the partition?
[21:25] <silvian> since now it appears to be on sda4
[21:25] <EriC^^> sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda4
[21:25] <silvian> nah i'm not sure if the partition is damaged
[21:26] <silvian> i doubt that is the main cause here
[21:26] <zachg5757> I don't think the partition is damaged. I think the boot manager was removed. And I don't know how to fix that
[21:26] <silvian> you could give it a try i guess
[21:26] <sveinse> Anyone else with after-boot problems with samba on 16.04? smbd is exited for some reason (the log does not give any actionable clues), and manually restarting smbd always fixes samba sharing
[21:26] <zachg5757> rebooting now
[21:26] <silvian> cool
[21:26] <EriC^^> zachg5757: nah the partition is damaged, it would have mounted otherwise
[21:26] <zachg5757> Should I boot into my windows drive? Because it doesn't show up in grub
[21:27] <silvian> yeah usually playing around with fstab or updating grub or reinstalling windows can cause issues like this.
[21:27] <zachg5757> EriC^^ why do you think os-prober would damage it?
[21:27] <silvian> yeah first check that you can boot into windows somehow if you can
[21:27] <EriC^^> zachg5757: i dont think that, but it is damaged right now
[21:27] <silvian> we want to make sure you haven't lost your files
[21:27] <EriC^^> zachg5757: maybe some hard reset or something damaged it
[21:27] <stumpys> EriC^^: Hey, thx again for the link. I tried "boot repair disk" and "super grub disk" but no luck. Was going to try syslinux or install-mbr but am not 100% sure I won't nuke thigns
[21:28] <zachg5757> Yeah no such luck with restarting after update-grub
[21:28] <stumpys> EriC^^: do you think using "install-mbr" or writing mbr.bin to my win drv screw things up if my win drive is efi, and/or encrypted using bitlocker?
[21:29] <EriC^^> stumpys: wait why do you want to write a windows mbr if its efi?
[21:29] <EriC^^> those are opposite stuff
[21:30] <silvian> ok zachg5757 is the windows drive a separate physical disk from the drive you use for ubuntu?
[21:30] <zachg5757> Yes
[21:30] <silvian> as in are you running two separate hard drives
[21:30] <zachg5757> 2 SSDs
[21:30] <silvian> ok cool
[21:31] <EriC^^> stumpys: are you trying to get your windows efi install to boot?
[21:31] <silvian> i would suggest trying to take it out and plug it as a secondary drive in another machine that is already running windows to check that you can read your files.
[21:31] <silvian> if that's an availabe option for you?
[21:32] <stumpys> EriC^^: yup, exactly. I tried installing xubuntu to a usb drive, that worked but now I have grub on my sys
[21:32] <EriC^^> stumpys: no worries the windows efi should still be there
[21:32] <silvian> or from your ubuntu zachg5757 check using gparted tool that it shows up correctly
[21:32] <EriC^^> stumpys: type "sudo parted -l | nc termview.me 9999"
[21:32] <zachg5757> Hm. I don't think that is an option. I have a usb with windows installer on it, but that's the best I got. I can run gparted. How do I do that?
[21:32] <unholymachine> is there a preferred method for creating a live persistant usb install?
[21:33] <silvian> i'm getting a little bit worried that it got damaged
[21:33] <stumpys> EriC^^: yeah, fortunately it is, its just now I have to go to the computer boot menu and select the win boot manager
[21:33] <silvian> inside ubuntu just search for gparted and run it
[21:33] <stumpys> EriC^^: alright, will try that.
[21:33] <silvian> it should prompt you for your password and let it scan all your drives
[21:33] <EriC^^> stumpys: try "sudo update-grub" and see if it mentions windows
[21:33] <EriC^^> !persistence | unholymachine
[21:34] <zachg5757> silvian I'm in
[21:34] <silvian> cool what drive name is dedicated to it? and does it give you additional info about its file system?
[21:34] <silvian> does it show up as sdb4 or something?
[21:34] <EriC^^> zachg5757: boot the windows usb and try to run chkdsk /f as the mount command suggested
[21:35] <zachg5757> I'll try that after gparted EriC^^
[21:35] <EriC^^> anything else you guys are doing you might as well be fondling your balls
[21:35] <zachg5757> silvian sda1 is unknown, sda4 is Basic data partition ntfs
[21:35] <stumpys> EriC^^: done, its on terview.me/80e6
[21:35] <zachg5757> It has a warning saying that it requires the package ntfs-3g/ntfsprogs
[21:35] <silvian> ok so if sda is your windows device
[21:36] <silvian> which one is your linux device?
[21:36] <zachg5757> adb
[21:36] <silvian> which one has ext file system shown to it?
[21:36] <zachg5757> I'm looking at sda right now
[21:36] <stumpys> EriC^^: oops, its on http://termview.me/80e6
[21:36] <EriC^^> stumpys: any luck with update-grub?
[21:36] <silvian> ah so i guess its sdb
[21:36] <silvian> they swapped aroudn
[21:37] <zachg5757> yeah. Weird. Sda is lwindows, sdb is ubuntu
[21:37] <zachg5757> what's that warning about ntfs-3g?
[21:37] <zachg5757> And also, is the sda1 something important
[21:38] <silvian> what do you mean?
[21:38] <silvian> what warning do you get?
[21:38] <marcisb>  /j #symfony
[21:38] <stumpys> EriC^^: ... didn't try it, will try now
[21:38] <silvian> i suspect sda1 might be the windows recovery partition?
[21:38] <zachg5757> I'll post it
[21:38] <marcisb> :D
[21:38] <silvian> sure :)
[21:39] <silvian> AHHH
[21:40] <silvian> you're missing ntfs-3g driver support?
[21:40] <silvian> how's that possible lol?
[21:40] <stumpys> EriC^^: That worked, in that it added it to the grub menu. Caveat though, I am hoping to remove grub and have the comp just boot to win normally
[21:40] <zachg5757> hahahah I don't even know what that is
[21:41] <silvian> what happens if you type in your terminal zachg5757 ntfs-3g ?
[21:41] <stumpys> EriC^^: and use ubuntu via the bio boot menu (as its a work comp and I only use ubuntu on it for personal stuff)
[21:41] <silvian> its the kernel driver bit that makes ntfs compatible with linux kernel
[21:41] <zachg5757> posteed
[21:41] <EriC^^> stumpys: you can do that, type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termview.me 9999"
[21:42] <zachg5757> should I run that command to mount windows?
[21:42] <stumpys> EriC^^: alright, will boot into ubuntu and run it
[21:42] <silvian> ok try as suggested ntfs-3g /dev/sda4 /mnt/windows
[21:42] <EriC^^> zachg5757: type apt-cache policy ntfs-3g ntfsprogs | nc termview.me 9999
[21:42] <silvian> you have to specify sda4 so yeah
[21:42] <silvian> as root of course
[21:43] <silvian> see if you get a successful mount and if you can cd into /mnt/windows and ls to view the files
[21:43] <zachg5757> EriC^^ termview.me/tu31
[21:44] <EriC^^> zachg5757: you should be able to mount ntfs fine
[21:44] <silvian> yeah try mounting as i suggested zachg5757
[21:44] <zachg5757> posted silvian
[21:44] <zachg5757> I'm getting an error
[21:44] <silvian> if you can't then we have an issue with the windows partition itself
[21:44] <silvian> ok
[21:45] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try one last time "(sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt; dmesg | tail ) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:45] <silvian> yes try what Eric^^ suggested
[21:46] <silvian> lets see if we get a tail on that log
[21:46] <stumpys> EriC^^: done, http://termview.me/b5q9/
[21:46] <EriC^^> stumpys: type sudo efibootmgr -o 0000,0001,0017,0018,0019,001A,001B,001C
[21:47] <zachg5757> EriC^^ what was that command?
[21:47] <zachg5757> I think termbin.com/p9p6 has it
[21:48] <EriC^^> zachg5757: nah run that one too
[21:48] <zachg5757> Which one?
[21:48] <silvian> was this what you got zachg5757 http://termbin.com/p9p6
[21:48] <zachg5757> Yup
[21:48] <EriC^^> zachg5757: (sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt; dmesg | tail ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:48] <EriC^^> that's what it gave you?
[21:48] <zachg5757> yup
[21:49] <EriC^^> oh ok
[21:49] <EriC^^> well that sounds great
[21:49] <silvian> wait can you paste your /etc/fstab file?
[21:49] <silvian> looks like the error says you got some duplicate entries?
[21:49] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try "ls -l /mnt" do you see the windows files?
[21:49] <stumpys> EriC^^: done, http://termview.me/e028
[21:50] <EriC^^> stumpys: looks good ;)
[21:50] <EriC^^> windows should start instead of grub now
[21:50] <zachg5757> I have BootInfo and boot-sav
[21:50] <stumpys> EriC^^: cool, will try now!
[21:51] <zachg5757> posted silvian
[21:51] <EriC^^> zachg5757: those sound like boot-repair stuff
[21:51] <zachg5757> Not sure why I have a duplicate
[21:51] <zachg5757> I did run that EriC^^ earlier
[21:51] <EriC^^> zachg5757: what exactly is mounted right now? type "lsblk -f | nc termview.me 9999"
[21:52] <zachg5757> termview.me/4uwz/
[21:53] <stumpys> EriC^^: Dude, you are a friggin linux svant! Thx doesn't quite do it but... thx!!!! Now I don't have to worry about our work admins b*tching me out :)
[21:54] <EriC^^> stumpys: haha, awesome :)
[21:54] <silvian> what do these two entries refer to zachg5757?
[21:55] <silvian> #UUID=CCCA-2C5C /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 1
[21:55] <stumpys> EriC^^: thx again, ciao!
[21:55] <silvian> UUID=B842-D846 /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 1
[21:55] <silvian> one is commented out and one is not
[21:55] <zachg5757> I couldn't tell you silvian. Sorry. This was the way it was
[21:56] <silvian> can you run blkid zach5757
[21:56] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try "sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt | nc termview.me 9999"
[21:56] <EriC^^> silvian: see the lsblk -f output, it has the uuid's
[21:56] <EriC^^> http://termview.me/4uwz/
[21:56] <silvian> see if they match what your drives are
[21:57] <EriC^^> zachg5757: really the sole purpose here is to see whether the filesystem is intact and if not you need to use windows tools to fix it
[21:58] <zachg5757> hm
[21:58] <zachg5757> blkid posted
[21:59] <zachg5757> I couldn't connect to termview.me 9999 EriC^^
[22:00] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try without the | nc part
[22:00] <EriC^^> just sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt
[22:00] <zachg5757> I have an error
[22:00] <marcisb> How to set up ubuntu search also in google in inet
[22:00] <marcisb> ?
[22:00] <EriC^^> zachg5757: same as before in the gist?
[22:01] <marcisb> FOr example if i write something in ubuntu search it also searches in google
[22:01] <marcisb> ?
[22:01] <zachg5757> Yeah. I reposted it there. The I/O error
[22:01] <silvian> can you comment out this line by adding a # in front of UUID=B842-D846 /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 1
[22:01] <silvian> the last line zachg5757 in your /etc/fstab
[22:02] <silvian> i think that is your duplicate
[22:02] <lordcirth> marcisb, maybe this lens? https://github.com/ecsark/google-unity-lens
[22:02] <silvian> since you already have an entry further above for /boot/efi under /boot record
[22:02] <zachg5757> So what do you think commenting it out would do
[22:02] <silvian> not throw the duplicate error?
[22:02] <silvian> we saw
[22:03] <silvian> i still have hunch that your /etc/fstab file is broken somewhow...
[22:04] <zachg5757> Maybe. I mean I could try commenting it out. I think you might be right. I still don't know what os-prober does. Because maybe that modified my fstab file
[22:05] <silvian> perhaps and that's the only thing in the file that strikes me as a duplicate
[22:05] <EriC^^> zachg5757: silvian is right about fstab needing commenting out
[22:05] <silvian> remember this error we saw [  392.041029] systemd-fstab-generator[2437]: Failed to create mount unit file /run/systemd/generator/boot-efi.mount, as it already exists. Duplicate entry in /etc/fstab?
[22:05] <EriC^^> comment out UUID=B842-D846 /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 1
[22:06] <silvian> yeah and give it a reboot afterwards
[22:06] <EriC^^> well not yet
[22:06] <silvian> hopefully we're getting somewhere here :)
[22:06] <EriC^^> try sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda4
[22:07] <unholymachine> is there a way to enable non-free drivers in the live environment?
[22:07] <zachg5757> Ok guys. I'm going to comment out the last line
[22:07] <unholymachine> i tried going through the drivers menu in settings but it wont enable
[22:07] <zachg5757> rebooting now
[22:07] <silvian> crossing fingers we haven't broken everything now :P
[22:08] <silvian> nah we should be fine we can always undo it via recovery again :P
[22:08] <zachg5757> Good start. I was able to boot into ubuntu after
[22:08] <silvian> oh that's always good :D
[22:09] <zachg5757> running sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda4 now
[22:09] <silvian> cool
[22:10] <zachg5757> Posted
[22:10] <marcisb> How to handle permissions more easy?
[22:11] <lordcirth> marcisb, you need to be more specific.
[22:11] <EriC^^> zachg5757: are you sure /dev/sda4 is still the windows partition?
[22:11] <marcisb> For example i need frequently make permissions chmod
[22:11] <EriC^^> try sudo parted -l | nc termview.me 9999
[22:11] <marcisb> for many folders
[22:11] <zachg5757> o my.  Want me to mount it too? What was that command again?
[22:12] <silvian> mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt/windows
[22:13] <EriC^^> just use /mnt
[22:13] <silvian> marcisb depends what you need to do? Like what sort of things do you need to set permissions for? when creating new users or files or when updating files and folders frequently which resets permissions back?
[22:14] <EriC^^> zachg5757: i think you need to boot a windows usb and run chkdsk /f
[22:14] <silvian> or just use /mnt if its not already used yes as EriC^^ suggested
[22:14] <lordcirth> marcisb, chmod has the -R feature, (use with caution)
[22:15] <lordcirth> marcisb, or you could make a bash alias for a specific chmod command
[22:15] <zachg5757> Posted it. If that mount doesn't glean any new info, I'll boot into the windows usb
[22:16] <EriC^^> zachg5757: try "dmesg | tail | nc termview.me 9999"
[22:16] <silvian> ok i think we're running into trouble here and we're going around in circles.... i think we ought to be giving up and do what the program says and actually try to use windows chkdsk /f as EriC^^ suggested. Maybe the file system is broken afterall.
[22:16] <zachg5757> termview.me/2fwr/
[22:17] <silvian> no luck? You can't access files in /mnt no?
[22:17] <EriC^^> i hope ntfsfix didn't make it worse
[22:17] <zachg5757> There is no mounted windows, no
[22:18] <EriC^^> i've been saying to boot a windows usb since an hour
[22:18] <silvian> ok windows bootable disk and chkdsk /f it is
[22:18] <zachg5757> At this point i don't mind losing my files. Most everything I have is online through github
[22:19] <silvian> lol yes...
[22:19] <silvian> ok marcisb i have certain scripts if you want i can share with you that do folder and file permission resets and checks
[22:20] <silvian> this is if the files get updated by git and the permissions are wrong etc
[22:20] <silvian> maybe it might help with the stuff you need to do to use a similar approach?
[22:24] <zachg5757> alright repair my computer
[22:24] <zachg5757> running what again? ckdisk -f?
[22:25] <silvian> chkdsk /f
[22:25] <zachg5757> Got it
[22:25] <zachg5757> The type of the file system is NTFS.
[22:25] <zachg5757> Cannot lock current drive.
[22:25] <silvian> yes DOS is special it uses / instead of -
[22:25] <zachg5757> Windows cannot run disk checking on this volume because it is write protected.
[22:25] <silvian> oh god...
[22:26] <silvian> and you've selected the correct volume yes?
[22:26] <EriC^^> zachg5757: is it mounted right now somehow?
[22:26] <EriC^^> try "diskpart" and type "list vol"
[22:26] <zachg5757> O Idk how to check which volume I'm looking at
[22:26] <silvian> fdisk
[22:26] <silvian> on windows
[22:26] <silvian> should show i believe
[22:27] <silvian> see what drive letter it gives you
[22:27] <zachg5757> It looks like volume 1 with ltr c is the drive I want to use
[22:27] <silvian> of course we can always do it the cave man way zachg5757 which is to open your PC case and literally unplug every drive except the SSD with windows on. You can't go wrong then :P
[22:28] <zachg5757> Ok got it
[22:28] <zachg5757> No need for cavemen here hahaa
[22:28] <silvian> ok try i guess i can't remember the command chkdsk /f C:
[22:28] <silvian> maybe?
[22:30] <zachg5757> It's unable to determine volume version and state
[22:30] <silvian> ugh
[22:30] <silvian> broken parittion is broken
[22:31] <zachg5757> same haha
[22:31] <zachg5757> I think I'm going to reinstall. Then just not use grub I guess
[22:31] <silvian> well... two options now. 1. we use a hammer and we hit the SSD as hard as we can. 2. we try windows recovery or reinstall windows from USB stick on that drive.
[22:31] <zachg5757> 2
[22:32] <silvian> you have selected option 2... do you wish to proceed? [Y/n]
[22:32] <zachg5757> Y
[22:33] <silvian> just remember that you'll need to install grub again to access your ubuntu drive with both SSDs installed if you want to get back to ubuntu and its file system
[22:33] <silvian> you can do that through an ubuntu live usb
[22:33] <silvian> after you got windows working again
[22:34] <silvian> good luck dude... sorry this kinda sucked. weird issue :(
[22:35] <zachg5757> Grub has been screwing me up all the time. I might just choose my drive using my bios instead of grub
[22:36] <zachg5757> Thank you guys for your patience and help. It's a tough one for sure
[22:36] <silvian> no problem sorry we couldn't be of more help to ya. Hopefully nothing is wrong with the actual SSD itself. Definitely a weird one
[22:38] <zachg5757> No worries. It shouldn't be the ssd. I'm going to try to restore from the recovery partition first. But reinstalling might be the only way
[22:40] <silvian> yes do windows recovery first from your live CD/USB
[22:41] <silvian> usually the first thing i try and you will keep your data if its successful :)
[22:41] <zachg5757> Awesome! Thanks guys. I'm gonna hop out now. Thanks again!
[22:41] <silvian> no problem good luck to ya
[22:44] <marcisb> WHat mnt folder purpose ?
[22:44] <marcisb> WHat is?
[22:44] <EriC^^> marcisb: to mount stuff in it
[22:45] <marcisb> I can mount staff from flash drive?
[22:45] <EriC^^> marcisb: yeah
[22:45] <marcisb> How? : )
[22:45] <oerheks> removable media mounts in /media/
[22:46] <oerheks> basicly
[22:46] <EriC^^> marcisb: the file manager doesn't show you anything to the left?
[22:46] <marcisb> Shows 16GB volume my flash drive
[22:46] <EriC^^> marcisb: click on that
[22:46] <marcisb> ok
[22:47] <EriC^^> it mounts it in /media/youruser
[22:47] <marcisb> ok
[22:47] <marcisb> EriC^^, I m in media in it
[22:49] <marcisb> EriC^^, How i can create to mount it in mnt folder?
[22:50] <EriC^^> marcisb: click it again to unmount it
[22:50] <marcisb> ok
[22:51] <EriC^^> marcisb: then type "sudo parted -l | nc termview.me 9999" in a terminal and paste the link it gives you here
[22:52] <marcisb> Paste at http://termview.me/ifap
[22:52] <EriC^^> marcisb: is the usb still plugged in?
[22:52] <marcisb> yes
[22:53] <marcisb> Paste at http://termview.me/ifap
[22:53] <marcisb> i plugged in again and
[22:53] <marcisb> Paste at http://termview.me/1fma
[22:54] <EriC^^> marcisb: type "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt"
[22:56] <marcisb> EriC^^, ok
[22:56] <tknp> ntfs mount question - i am trying to make a single directory of an ntfs mount available to a specific user. is there a way to allow uid 1001 to access the specific directory of the ntfs share without adding uid 1001 to the group id provided for the ntfs? is this something for bindfs or is there another way?
[23:22]  * eelstrebor got the latest pluggable bluetooth driver - driver loads but still won't pair with my skullcandy headset/mic
[23:23] <eelstrebor> pairs ok with 2 other BT devices though
[23:29] <bazhang> pulseaudio-module-bluetooth eelstrebor installed that yet
[23:32] <pavlos> tknp: make that user belong to some obscure group (gid=yy) and mount the ntfs with gid=yy
[23:33] <pavlos> tknp: in /etc/fstab    UUID=<xxxxx> /media/win ntfs rw,auto,umask=077,gid=yy    0   0
[23:33] <pavlos> tknp: untested ...
[23:40] <eelstrebor> bazhang, yes
[23:41] <eelstrebor> looks like it's a bad headset - it won't work with cellphones or  even a windows pc
[23:43] <eelstrebor> it did pair with my asus rog (ubuntu 16.04) but the mike audio is very low at the maximum audio setting
[23:43] <fishcooker> which is faster between rm and cat /dev/null ?
[23:46] <buggaboosanchez> I'm using gnome terminal (have for a long time). It's been a long time since I done so but didn't it used to be easy to give custom names to the tabs?  Last I remember there was a way through the menu wasn't there?
[23:48] <buggaboosanchez> I see information on the web how to do it using the command line, but is there a non command line way? (I thought it came up in a context menu or something but I don't see the option now).
[23:50] <buggaboosanchez> did gnome terminal used to have a "set title" command somewhere?
[23:54] <bazhang> https://askubuntu.com/questions/860145/set-title-for-each-terminal-tab-in-gnome-terminal-using-a-bash-script buggaboosanchez
[23:55] <buggaboosanchez> Why am I unable to execute normal git commands from a sub dir? This is way too cumbersome to deal with. Is there any way to fix it?
[23:55] <buggaboosanchez> sorry, wrong channel on the last on
[23:55] <tknp> pavlos: thanks!