[00:51] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been updated (20191017)
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[02:18] <guiverc> kc2bez, have you started "EFI no yes"?   (I did bios no yes not realizing you were doing it..)
[02:18] <kc2bez> I have not started EFI
[02:19] <guiverc> thanks, I'll do..
[02:19] <kc2bez> We don't have an in progress in the faux testing tracker :(
[02:20] <guiverc> i put my 'in progress' on iso.qa...
[02:21] <kc2bez> I should do that too I guess. Seems redundant since I am on the same computer. I will do XFS , BTRFS and separate home. XFS is almost done now.
[02:22] <guiverc> :)
 @wxl [<wxl> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/the-ubuntu-20-04-lts-codename-has-been …], ❤
 @wxl [<wxl> ^ @tsimonq2 addition of grub theme reverted since it breaks in the chroot …], I saw this coming. That's why I even asked twice, how iso are created, coz during installation also, grub gets Installed at  last. Now the theme won't get in. *Sigh*
 Lite. We will fix this in focal.
[02:31] <wxl[m]> I don't think it's your fault…
 Are focal archives up? I will create a sbuild env of focal only
[02:37] <kc2bez> @The_LoudSpeaker I don't think they are up yet.
[02:38] <kc2bez> Can we get you to check secureboot with the new iso @The_LoudSpeaker ?
[02:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> Oh. So I will wait on the sbuild set up.
[02:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> I can. I will do it in the evening.
[02:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> How many hours till the release?
[02:39] <kc2bez> Nobody really knows. but it is counting down.
[02:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> tsimonq2: any idea?
[02:40] <guiverc> ~8-9 hrs
[02:40] <kc2bez> give or take
[02:40] <guiverc> "infinity> .. I'm anxious to release in about 11.5 hours, give or take. .."  (said a bit under 3 hrs ago)
[02:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> Okay. So I will try to test now after breakfast then.
[02:43] <kc2bez> That would be great, thanks.
[02:45] <guiverc> grrr.. my autologin didn't autologin.. i bet i missed the checkbox.. grrr
[02:47] <kc2bez> My protip for the night is: make sure your USB is fully inserted else weird results.
[02:48] <guiverc> :)    i feel better I'm not the only one ...
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> I don't think it's your fault…], Well it's my fault only, the code I wrote attempts to update-grub which is not present in the build environment.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> My protip for the night is: make sure your USB is fully inserted else w …], What kinda of wierd results? O.o
[02:49] <kc2bez> squashfs errors
 Noted.
[02:50] <kc2bez> typing on the laptop keyboard wiggled the drive loose
[02:50] <kc2bez> it wasn't in all the way
[02:50]  * kc2bez facepalm
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> typing on the laptop keyboard wiggled the drive loose], Woah! How forcefully you type?
[02:51] <kc2bez> not very hard but the drive was far from seated
 I have an external usb connector that I use and it's away from both my keyboards so doesn't cause a problem. :)
[03:52] <wxl[m]> <kc2bez "squashfs errors"> Out of context that freaked me the heck out
[03:58] <guiverc> as long as wimpy's bug (ubuntu-release & Erich prediction there) won't cause another re-spin... I won't freak-out.. We're already at my guess on nbr respins I think
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED19d68e86d6c0 … About this. wxl: @tsimonq2 a non zero error would be enough?
 I mean a non zero return.
 Oops! A zero return.
 A return zero even if update-grub fails?
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[06:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe9013162f152: spellcheck openbox settings] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe9013162f152
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[06:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL876eaea7cc47: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL876eaea7cc47
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[08:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> secureboot tests done.
[08:49] <kc2bez> Thank you The_LoudSpeaker they were some that we had concerns about.
[09:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> what concerns?
[09:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez
[09:48] <kc2bez> I think this was the major one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1848142
[12:57] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been updated (20191017.1)
 @queuebot [<queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been updated (20191017 …], Happy Release party at your desk! Thank you all for the hard work!
[14:15] <tsimonq2> I'll take care of the final tests following this respin.
[14:35] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been marked as ready
[14:36] <kc2bez> \o/
 \o/
[14:39] <tsimonq2> Let's get these release notes banged out.
[14:40] <kc2bez> You have a doc going someplace @tsimonq2 ?
[14:40] <tsimonq2> Starting one now.
[14:40] <kc2bez> okie dokie
[14:40] <tsimonq2> We have a few hours before it's fully "out".
 @queuebot [<queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been marked as ready], 🔥🔥
 Everyone have a coffee.
[14:42] <tsimonq2> https://notes.lubuntu.me/EYgHuxoAQkenGoKW8_Dl2g#
[14:42] <tsimonq2> If you don't have access to notes.lubuntu.me but would like access, let me know.
[14:43] <tsimonq2> Please add names of people that have also contributed.
[14:43] <tsimonq2> For example, Raman needs an entry yet.
[14:43] <tsimonq2> etc.
[14:50] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Ping.
[15:14] <tsimonq2> I'm going to hack on the manual in prod, beware.
[15:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL07317bc9511c: Fix deploy script.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL07317bc9511c
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 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> For example, Raman needs an entry yet.], I am there.
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[15:51] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Alright, so.
[15:52] <tsimonq2> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/ and https://manual.lubuntu.me/master/ now exist.
[15:52] <tsimonq2> Existing links will go to a subpage of https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/
[15:52] <tsimonq2> And once we have 20.04 documentation, that goes to https://manual.lubuntu.me/lts/
[15:52] <tsimonq2> For most people, https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/ are the docs they'll use.
[15:52] <tsimonq2> I renamed the 19.10 branch to stable
[15:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL62c70745297f: Update the version strings for 19.10.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL62c70745297f
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[16:01] <tsimonq2> Alright, and now master is bumped to say 20.04.
[16:01] <tsimonq2> I'll consider that housekeeping done.
[16:03] <tsimonq2> Now my focus is really going to be on release notes.
[16:05] <tsimonq2> Are there any known issues that we're aware of?
 We should mention https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1454
[16:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1454
 I took a peek at the doc earlier but I am afk for about 40 minutes or so
[16:06] <tsimonq2> Do you want to put that in there, @aptghetto, or do you want me to?
[16:06] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: Thanks.
 You are a native Enlish speaker
[16:07] <tsimonq2> Okay.
 And we could mention the new lubuntu grub theme
 we should also probably mention something about improved timezone/location/language detection in cala.
[16:08] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: Same question goes to you; could you add that, or do you want me to? :)
[16:09] <tsimonq2> I'm fine waiting if you're going to be around in the next few hours.
 I will write something for your review.
[16:10] <tsimonq2> Sounds goos.
[16:10] <tsimonq2> *good
 @aptghetto [You are a native Enlish speaker], No, he speaks USA english
[16:11] <tsimonq2> HAH
 Hi! I have some time now
[16:11] <tsimonq2> Hey Hans!
[16:12] <tsimonq2> Please read over the release notes and add anything you think is relevant.
 where is the draft of the anouncemnt?
[16:12] <tsimonq2> https://notes.lubuntu.me/EYgHuxoAQkenGoKW8_Dl2g?edit
 thanks!
 we don't have qt5 frontend in lo, it gave us problem.
 problem with the filepicker
 we have gtk
 @aptghetto [And we could mention the new lubuntu grub theme], 😍😍
 @HMollerCl [we have gtk], That's a bit wierd. But okay.
 How to resize partition
 Root
 I gave just 10.1 gb
 @princeofclay [How to resize partition], Ask in support channel
 You can use gparted. To extend. It works good. I have done that before.
[16:18] <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl: You're welcome to correct it. :)
 @The_LoudSpeaker [You can use gparted. To extend. It works good. I have done that before.], 👍🏻 I'll try that
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Ask in support channel], Not on telegram?
[16:20] <kc2bez> ! support
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> @HMollerCl: You're welcome to correct it. :)], it's autosaved? Or something must be made?
[16:21] <tsimonq2> It's autosaved.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87 is visible only to phab users
[16:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87
[16:24] <tsimonq2> O_o
[16:24] <tsimonq2> oh
[16:24] <tsimonq2> Nice catch.
[16:24] <tsimonq2> Fixed.
 How about a Twitt translation of the announcement of the new version?
 And we might add all the existing TG support channels to https://lubuntu.me/links/
[16:29] <tsimonq2> @N0um3n0: What do you have in mind?
[16:29] <tsimonq2> @aptghetto: My plan is to get that in the announcement itself, but yeah, I can add that.
[16:29] <tsimonq2> Does someone have a list of the new channels again?
 @N0um3n0 ^
[16:36] <tsimonq2> How was the Global Team description?
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> @N0um3n0: What do you have in mind?], I had three things, 1 translate the Twitt of the announcement of the new version.  2. translate if necessary the blog post.  3 (this is only a thought of mine), the creation of a new global Twitter, dedicated only to the topic of advertising new channels, support, announcemen
 or what remains to be done
[16:40] <tsimonq2> Let's discuss the Global Team Twitter after the release.
[16:40] <tsimonq2> We can translate the tweet, but would those just be as responses to the thread?
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Let's discuss the Global Team Twitter after the release.], Perfect ;)
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> We can translate the tweet, but would those just be as responses to t …], like two tweets, one in English and one in Spanish, or if you see it better to put it from my account in a comment in response ...
[16:55] <tsimonq2> I'll let you know when we publish the announcement.
[16:55] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez: Hi, any update?>
[16:55] <tsimonq2> The release announcement is seeming pretty shiny to me at this point.
[16:56] <kc2bez> almost back to my office
[16:57] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[16:57] <tsimonq2> No rush, just wondering.
[16:58] <tsimonq2> @kc2bez, wxl, guiverc2, @teward001, lynorian: As fellow native English speakers, could you please spot check the release announcement? https://notes.lubuntu.me/EYgHuxoAQkenGoKW8_Dl2g?edit
[16:59] <tsimonq2> In the meantime, I'm going to create focal branches now.
 maybe we should add a paragraph about "tiling" shortcuts note present?
[17:03] <tsimonq2> Were they present in the last release?
 @tsimonq2 in the notes "Older Lubuntu versions have reached their end of life and are not supported anymore" wouldn't 19.04 be supported til Jan 2020?
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[17:20] <tsimonq2> @franksmcb: Nice one.
[17:20] <tsimonq2> Thanks, fixing.
[17:21] <tsimonq2> Wait, I do have that exception in there.
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 I see that above it. It just caught my eye how is was phrased
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[17:24] <tsimonq2> Makes sense.
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[17:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING7cc53a29c535: Merge branch 'ubuntu/eoan' into ubuntu/focal] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUMETAPACKAGING7cc53a29c535
 @tsimonq2 We had "tiling" before
[17:29] <tsimonq2> In 19.04?
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 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> In 19.04?], yes
[17:35] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[17:35] <tsimonq2> Could you please write a paragraph, and I can check it over?
 done
 we should mention the new wallpaper too
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Good idea.
 we had it for beta, could copy the sam
 e
 https://notes.lubuntu.me/rtyT2uSQToOIS2BgX26H-Q#
[17:52] <lynorian> I do not see anything wrong looks nice
 @tsimonq2 grammar wise i dont see anytthing glaringly obvious
 FYI tho I am suffering a bout of Bronchitis right now... :/
 ufff, take carre @teward001
 Yeah dont expect me to be super active heh
[17:55] <tsimonq2> @teward001: Thank you; get well soon.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Thanks.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> lynorian: How about the manual changes?
[17:56] <lynorian> I was mostly ready except for the final hashes which I am not sure are based off final file name
[17:56] <tsimonq2> Yep, I took care of those.
[17:57] <lynorian> thank you
[17:58] <tsimonq2> You're welcome/.
[18:02] <tsimonq2> I'll publish in one hour, that gives a last opportunity for any final tweaks.
[18:02] <tsimonq2> The more eyes the better on this. :)
 @tsimonq2 changed the "tiling" and put it as a note
[18:08] <tsimonq2> I'll clean it up slightly.
[18:08] <kc2bez> Feel free to sanitize my edits too.
[18:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNEWREL668995582c3b: Add manual deployment instructions.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNEWREL668995582c3b
[18:15] <tsimonq2> Sounds good.
[18:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: need new Lenny!] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#2491
[18:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOGfed7d5d26805: Add the Eoan announcement.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOGfed7d5d26805
[18:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^^ Please change the topic in the other two channels, I can't do that.
[18:39] <tsimonq2> (-offtopic and support)
[18:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T41: Lubuntu 19.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41#2501
[18:42] <tsimonq2> \o/
[18:42] <tsimonq2> IT'S OUT!
[18:42] <tsimonq2> Party time!
[18:42] <kc2bez> \O/
[18:42]  * kc2bez is old and might nap first.
[18:44] <tsimonq2> :D
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[18:54] <tsimonq2> Jenkins updates have been ran (as well as plugin and system updates), Focal added.
[18:55] <tsimonq2> After I verify things are still working after the update, I'm going to run a nightly to see if Focal jobs will work.
[18:56] <tsimonq2> Phab updated.
[18:57] <tsimonq2> System updates also done for the Phab container. Restarting that.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> teward: You forgot to enable the sshd-phab service when you created it.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> Enabled.
 now that 19.10 is out I will install it for the first time in SDD. Any recommendations?
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[19:12] <wxl> @tsimonq2: will do topics and fix the ubutnu release notes to point at the right thing.. please add to new release checklist to update the testing page
[19:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: ack
[19:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ubuntu release notes? hmm
[19:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: Didn't even think of that.
[19:14] <wxl> tsimonq2: bdmurray mentioned it in -release but only highlighted me
[19:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: sigh
[19:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: Thanks.
[19:14] <wxl> currently we're pointing at disco
[19:15] <wxl> i guess we should add THAT to the release notes XD
[19:16] <tsimonq2> "pointing at disco" wat?
[19:17] <wxl> it's fixed so no worries
[19:17] <wxl> but the link was to the disco release notes
[19:17] <tsimonq2> oh
[19:17] <tsimonq2> sigh
[19:17] <tsimonq2> thanks
[19:40] <wxl> fyi flavors page got updated but not with the new logo https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ubuntu.com/issues/3161#issuecomment-543330097
[19:43] <kc2bez> I just blasted the Telegram Announcement channel.
 I think we should change the channel avitar to the new Lenny here. (It is a cuttlefish Lenny now for the IRC folks)
 Good idea.
[19:48] <wxl> someone gonna do that?
 (New chat photo, 640x640) https://i.imgur.com/egpmz2c.jpg
 Done
 Nice!
 ^^
[19:50] <wxl> i think the fossa should be a gutter punk
[19:51] <wxl> https://t12.deviantart.net/N42bKt3VD7SmFCS_02sl1mZaIco=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre02/f3e1/th/pre/f/2014/350/6/c/ally_cat_by_acldtrlp-d8a46m1.png
[19:52] <kc2bez> Needs glasses for "focus"
[19:52] <wxl> oooh yes!
[19:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNEWREL1c3757528dce: Update docs.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNEWREL1c3757528dce
[19:55] <wxl> https://6dollarshirts.com/image/cache/data/designs/punk_cat/punkcat-hg-750x750.jpg
[19:55]  * wxl drops the mic
[19:56] <kc2bez> YASS!
[19:56] <tsimonq2> Uhhhh. XD
[19:57] <kc2bez> XD
[19:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123
[19:58] <tsimonq2> On a serious note, Lintian is now updated for Focal.
[19:58] <tsimonq2> debootstrap is coming Soon.
[20:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2511
[20:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2514
[20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2515
 @tsimonq2 Finally there isn't much tweet to translate, eoan is out ;)
 xD
[21:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> ! standup
[21:00] <wxl> oh jeez
[21:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> :)
[21:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> o/
 o/
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> I have an alarm in my phone for this.
[21:01] <kc2bez> o/
 o/
[21:06] <theloudspeaker> who's first?
 You
[21:07] <wxl> +1
[21:07] <theloudspeaker> yup! so here it goes:
[21:08] <theloudspeaker> tested secureboot for 14th and 17th oct builds
[21:08] <theloudspeaker> also, autologin one for 14th
[21:09] <theloudspeaker> sent the xscreensaver fix to wxl. My build env is still not up completely
[21:09] <theloudspeaker> faught spam in both devel and user lists
[21:09] <wxl> (well, he sent it enough for me to confirm i couldn't get it to fail in the same way)
[21:10] <theloudspeaker> misc:
[21:11] <theloudspeaker> publicity forr ubuntu talk that's scheduled tomorow morning here. wxl's our guest. telepresence
 oh nice
[21:11] <theloudspeaker> preparing for that now.
[21:11] <kc2bez> Excellent!
[21:11] <theloudspeaker> set up a hackintosh and scrapped it coz need ubuntu tomorrow.
[21:12] <theloudspeaker> was fun tho
[21:12] <theloudspeaker> I will send in the poster of the talk after meet.
[21:12] <theloudspeaker> end/
[21:13] <wxl> and given that i'll segway in
[21:13] <wxl> hopefully i won't be a total embarassment as it will be 11pm here
[21:13] <wxl> i.e. past my bedtime
[21:14] <wxl> as for what i've done.. pretty much just pushing things along with release
[21:14] <theloudspeaker> you signed up for it.
[21:14] <wxl> i know, i know :)
[21:15] <wxl> so talk will be in a mostly q&a format, with the intention of focusing on ubuntu as a whole, but with heavy emphasis on flavors
[21:15] <wxl> that's it for me
 For me I did some small work on recording for pavucontrol-qt
 more screenshots for find and jump to in featherpad
 a way to change the language just for ark as well
 and a few times I did spellcheck rather lot of files
 that was it from me this week
[21:20] <wxl> good job lyn!
[21:21] <kc2bez> +1
[21:21] <kc2bez> Short list from me.
 +1
[21:21] <kc2bez> Only have 3 items.
[21:21] <kc2bez> * Testing
[21:21] <kc2bez> * Moar testing
[21:21] <kc2bez> * Made some minor additions to the release notes.
[21:22] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[21:22] <wxl> thanks a ton for the testing
[21:23] <wxl> especially given we had to re-test like 10,000 times
[21:23] <kc2bez> It is all worth it.
 We've had worse
[21:23] <wxl> i dunno. it was pretty bad.
[21:23] <wxl> one of the worst i've seen.
 (Photo, 628x1280) https://i.imgur.com/PtCjdjK.jpg Here's the poster.
 Oops! That was my fb story! 😅
 (Photo, 1280x872) https://i.imgur.com/zvLNS9E.jpg This is the one you should see.
 Also, due to some technical reasons, we just had to postpone it by one day. But rest all good. Every fest has some hiccups. I hope we don't have more.
[23:21] <guiverc2> apologies: I didn't realize it was 'friday' (stand-up) & was guiverc2 due constant reconnects so this box didn't ping..   I'd not have said anything anyway; so it's no great loss :)
 We couldn't do it without you Chris.
 You are the MVP guiverc2:


[00:02] <nhandler> He was only quieted there, I removed it
[01:22] <Jordan_U> I'm busy with other things so please don't think that I am watching #ubuntu right now.
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> !brasil is <alias> brazil
[02:15] <MrUnagi> floodbot says i am on an open proxy...but im not
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> Calling anyone who knows how the silly floodbots work...
[02:25] <elky> how do you mean?
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> elky: I think they have some kind of automated test for whether a hostname is running an open proxy, and banning if it does.
[02:26] <elky> ok, ljl is who you ask
[02:27] <tonyyarusso> well, yeah, but...WHOWAS - unhelpful.
[02:28] <IdleOne> rww ^^
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> MrUnagi: So you're banned from #ubuntu, is that it?
[02:29] <MrUnagi> yup
[02:29] <IdleOne> rww might know, he's been studying up on the floodbots
[02:29] <IdleOne> really need to take that class myself
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> Oh, I think I know why.
[02:30] <IdleOne> MrUnagi: try joining now, you should be exempt now
[02:31] <MrUnagi> thank you
[02:31] <MrUnagi> er i was kicked lol
[02:31] <IdleOne> heh
[02:31] <IdleOne> sorry
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> MrUnagi: I think it's interpreting your D-Link DIR-615's administrative page as a proxy server, since it's in addition to your local Apache.
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> Or something like that.
[02:31] <MrUnagi> oh really?
[02:31] <MrUnagi> strange
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> That's my totally uneducated hypothesis.  I'll run it by rww and LjL later.
[02:32] <MrUnagi> ill test it
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> Meanwhile, IdleOne appears to be at least attempting to set up an exemption for you...
[02:32] <IdleOne> yeah but it didn't work
[02:32] <IdleOne> not sure how to remove him from the proxy list now
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: Define "didn't work"?  ;)
[02:33] <IdleOne> it rebanned
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> ah, hrm
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> bad floodbot
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Obviously they need some code to make them not ban someone with an exemption...
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Heck, shouldn't an exemption override a ban anyway?
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Oh, right - it'll still kick though.
[02:36] <IdleOne> ok he should be good when he rejoins
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> what'd you change?
[02:36] <IdleOne> but we need to let ljl know about it
[02:36] <IdleOne> join ops-monitor
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> Because I don't have enough channels already - you people :P
[02:37] <IdleOne> well you want to learn to work the bots or not :P
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> lol, must be invited
[02:37] <IdleOne> errr
[02:38] <IdleOne> sent
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> I have access actually - I just need to invite myself through chanserv before trying to join.
[06:40] <bazhang> the ucenik/psyflux spammers are back
[06:42] <maco> isnt there a ban on ucenik* ?
[06:42] <bazhang> a different IP
[06:42] <maco> well i guess not if they're in there, but...
[06:42] <bazhang> there are three taken out with the +q I just issued
[06:42] <maco> can i set one on ucenik*!*@* ?
[06:42] <bazhang> well he's on psyflux as well
[06:43] <bazhang> no response via PM
[07:53] <bilalakhtar> BTW, any idea of what is going on, on ##lessthanthree?
[07:54] <Flannel> bilalakhtar: Mostly 1s, 2s, and 2.5s
[07:54] <bilalakhtar> Flannel: ?
[07:54] <Flannel> bilalakhtar: Certainly no 4s or 5s!
[07:55] <bilalakhtar> Flannel: I really want to know!
[07:55] <bilalakhtar> no joking time ...
[07:56] <Flannel> bilalakhtar: I haven't heard anything recently, so I'm certainly not in the know on it.
[08:01] <jussi> bilalakhtar: why do you ask?
[08:01] <bilalakhtar> jussi: curiosity
[08:02] <jussi> bilalakhtar: its wsome channel that is apparently full of trolls, although I base that on hearsay. not something to worry about atm, unless they start bothering us.
[08:02] <jussi> Staff were notified and can deal with it.
[08:21] <nerdshark> hi guys
[08:23] <nerdshark> so, bilalakhtar and nisshh, users with ubuntu member vhosts, came into ##lessthanthree. nisshh was kind of friendly, but bilalakhtar waved his epeen around about having freenode sysops under his fingers and being "aware" that all users in the channel were going to be klined
[08:23] <nerdshark> very classy
[08:23] <bilalakhtar> It was my mistake, I went to investigate there
[08:23] <bilalakhtar> sorry for that, I didn't know what happens very well until after I left
[08:23] <nerdshark> smooth
[08:23] <nerdshark> very smooth
[08:24] <nerdshark> are you even an op?
[08:24] <nerdshark> well i guess you are, since you're in here
[08:24] <bilalakhtar> The matter is over now
[08:24] <nerdshark> yes it is
[08:24] <nerdshark> i brought it to the attention of freenode sysops
[08:24] <bilalakhtar> nerdshark: You know the idling rule then, read the topic
[08:25] <nerdshark> i'm not idling
[08:25] <nerdshark> i am discussing this topic
[08:25] <nerdshark> just thought you'd like to know that freenode is aware of your guys' actions after we had already solved our problem
[08:25] <nerdshark> that is all
[08:26] <jussi> nerdshark: thanks for the info, Ill follow up on this.
[08:26] <nerdshark> jussi: i have a log if you would like to see it
[08:26] <jussi> nerdshark: you can pass me stuff in PM.
[08:26] <nerdshark> sure
[08:28] <bilalakhtar> now I promise to be extra-careful on this network
[08:29] <bilalakhtar> I never knew what that channel was about in the first place
[08:30] <nerdshark> best thing to do is just ask
[08:30] <nerdshark> anyway my business here is finished i think
[08:31] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: will do, thanks!
[08:31] <bilalakhtar> oops, wrong channel
[09:21] <bazhang> yikes
[09:29] <jussi> bazhang: ?
[09:29] <bazhang> jussi, just saw the paste of the 'incident'
[09:29] <jussi> bazhang: never mind about it, its being sorted.
[09:30] <bazhang> aye aye
[10:32] <Argorok> I don't know if im using proxy, if i am, its transparent to me, and its the company proxy
[10:32] <Argorok> why cant i access #ubuntu?
[10:38] <ikonia> Argorok: are you being told you're banned ?
[10:38] <ikonia> or are you being forwarded to another channel ?
[10:39] <Argorok> banned
[10:39] <ikonia> let me have a look
[10:40] <Argorok> ty
[10:41] <ikonia> Argorok: ok, I see the problem, give me a minute
[10:42] <ikonia> Argorok: you should be able to join now
[10:44] <Argorok> thank you :]
[10:44] <Argorok> let me try
[10:44] <Argorok> again :P
[10:45] <ikonia> no problem
[10:45] <jussi> Now fixed :)
[10:45] <ikonia> ?
[10:45] <ikonia> what is ?
[10:45] <Argorok> but still banned
[10:46] <ikonia> are you ?
[10:46] <ikonia> ahh you've been re-banned
[10:46] <ts2> Argorok: try now
[10:47] <Argorok> ty
[10:47] <ikonia> thank you ts2 jussi
[10:53] <ikonia> pzr11hdik56: hi there
[10:53] <pzr11hdik56> hi
[10:54] <ikonia> pzr11hdik56: how can we help today
[10:54] <pzr11hdik56> yesterday i installed UBUNTU. today I installed X-Chat and I can join all channels except #ubuntu
[10:55] <ikonia> pzr11hdik56: what happens when you try to join #ubuntu
[10:55] <pzr11hdik56> you are banned from #ubuntu .
[10:56] <pzr11hdik56> Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[10:57] <ikonia> I can't see reference for you
[10:57] <ikonia> just checking
[10:59] <ikonia> pzr11hdik56: I can't see a reason for you to be banned
[11:00] <pzr11hdik56> ikonia: sould I register a new nickname?
[11:00] <ikonia> no
[11:00] <ts2> looks like a ban in the ident
[11:00] <ikonia> ts2: nice one
[11:01] <ikonia> I need to pop out for an hour, apologies for having to leave
[11:01] <pzr11hdik56> ok
[11:03] <pzr11hdik56> If I login in UBUNTU from a different account/user and try to join #UBUNTU, ....??
[11:04] <bilalakhtar> pzr11hdik56: we are looking into the ban, please wait
[11:06] <bilalakhtar> ts2: Are you searching for one?
[11:06] <ts2> I'm trying to get the BT to work
[11:07] <ts2> fwiw, it's ban id 28224
[11:11] <pzr11hdik56> so.....
[11:12] <bilalakhtar> oh!
[11:12] <ts2> pzr11hdik56: try now
[11:13] <pzr11hdik56> THANKS A LOT!!
[11:13] <ts2> you're welcome, but please don't SHOUT ;)
[11:14] <ts2> pzr11hdik56: if there's nothing else we can help you with, can you /part please
[11:15] <pzr11hdik56> bye bye
[13:07] <jayne> some bot doesn't ask about #ubuntu bans anymore?
[13:07] <jayne> oh, there it goes
[13:08] <jayne> or not... it's asking about a different ban
[13:25] <jussi> jayne: it should...
[13:25] <jayne> it hasn't asked me about rendy
[13:27] <Pici> jussi, tsimpson: Is there a reason why ubottu just reminded me about 10 or so bans that were all recorded to have been set on Oct 16th? And at least the first few I checked aren't even active anymore.
[13:27] <jussi> Pici: I suspect its to do with the fact I reset the server this morning
[13:28] <Pici> :|
[13:28] <jussi> (server had security/kernel updates)
[13:55] <LjL> please -b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:57] <jussi> LjL: in #ubuntu ?
[13:57] <LjL> yes
[13:57] <LjL> thanks
[13:57] <jussi> done
[13:57] <jussi> :)
[15:07] <bilalakhtar> Pici: You're still opped
[15:08] <Pici> I know.
[15:23] <rww> tonyyarusso, IdleOne: There's an "unblock" command in -ops-monitor for this situation. I haven't used it before, though. I believe there's an ubuntu-irc email about it ;P
[15:28] <bilalakhtar> rww: I cannot enter channel #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[15:29] <rww> tonyyarusso, IdleOne: oh, nvm, it seems you figured this out in there ;P
[15:30] <LjL> bilalakhtar: you can now
[15:31] <rww> thanks. I'm busy juggling scrollback :)
[15:31] <bilalakhtar> thanks LjL, will I need to be invited every time I come on IRC?
[15:32] <LjL> no, i've set a +I line for you
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> thanks then
[15:32] <LjL> you do need to be voiced, or request automatic voicing from the irc council
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> Pici: Can I please get automatic voicing in #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> It all began with that typo, and I then had to get everything done manually
[15:33] <rww> there are benefits to having a three-letter nick ;P
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> hmm, yup
[15:34] <LjL> even when it's unpronounceable ;(
[15:35] <bilalakhtar> Someone has registered nickname bilal and that's what I would like. bilal logs in once a month and hence I cannot get it dropped. I tried other nicks, but people didn't recognise me, and other troubles, when I decided to give up
[15:35] <bilalakhtar> This one's far too popular, even sabdfl knows me with this nick
[17:55] <Pici> !contribute
[17:55] <Pici> Harvest is more for developers
[17:56] <IdleOne> they have bitesize for beginners
[17:56] <IdleOne> but if you feel better to leave it out
[19:14] <_|> sorry guys, some guynamed michaelh ban-forwarded me here
[19:17] <Pici> ...
[19:20] <Pici> Taken care of.
[19:20] <Pici> I think.
[21:27] <Myrtti> that was interesting
[21:29] <Jordan_U> Should I set a ban on *dyn.user.ono.com ?
[21:29] <LjL> Jordan_U: set a ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:29] <LjL> the whole of dyn.user.ono.com seems too much
[21:29] <LjL> also - i'm not really sure, but i think the ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was a bug from the floodbot's part
[21:32] <Jordan_U> LjL: I know I should have studied up on this by now, but could you tell me how to set such a ban?
[21:32] <LjL> Jordan_U: /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:32] <Jordan_U> LjL: Thanks.
[21:32] <LjL> Jordan_U: also you really might want to remove the ban i mentioned above, as i've no idea why the floodbot did that
[21:33] <Jordan_U> LjL: Floodbot has been kicking people that it shouldn't be recently.
[21:33] <LjL> Jordan_U: right but i think that was usually because of the proxy thing?
[21:35] <Jordan_U> LjL: I honestly don't know. I picked a terrible time to start being an operator because I don't have much free time now to learn and keep up on things.
[21:35] <bazhang> jussi, hi
[21:36] <LjL> Jordan_U: well it's not a big deal. if you ever want to ask me something be my guest, i'm bored all day
[21:37] <cdbs> now, this was wierd
[21:37] <cdbs> somehow I got ghosted by myself
[21:37] <LjL> netsplit crazies going on
[21:38] <bazhang> LjL, glad to see you back in here
[21:39] <LjL> teaches people to ban me :>
[21:40] <bazhang> LjL, I noticed the floodbots have something like "suspected of bad/suspicious behaviour"; what's that about
[21:40] <LjL> COUGH
[21:41]  * LjL drags bazhang into -monitor
[21:45] <LjL> bazhang: i'll explain here since that specific part is harmless enough :) it isn't really something to be much concerned about and i might remove it entirely, but it's because the bot looks up IPs at http://projecthoneypot.org/ and "spammer" means they spammed sites, while i don't entirely remember what "supicious" is
[21:45] <LjL> at any rate, it has too many false positives to be anything but a very rough indication that someone might possibly be malicious
[21:45] <bazhang> LjL, okay, thanks for the explanation
[23:27] <mneptok> i had pancakes last night!
[23:27]  * mneptok bounces and drools in the corner
[23:53] <rww> niko niko niko niko niko niko niko niko
[23:54] <jpds> rww: KEEP CALM.


[00:49] <adueppen> to get back on topic after 2 hours, I recall someone here was telling me to boot up a flash drive in virtualbox with persistence, what exactly was it that I needed to do with that? I can't seem to find it in the logs
[00:50] <adueppen> (Kamilion, wxl, phillw)
[00:51] <wxl> i thought you had that convo on ubuntu-google?
[00:51] <adueppen> wxl: hmm maybe. I kind of have 10 channels open right now so I'm getting them a bit mixed up
[00:52] <wxl> adueppen: 55 or so here. at least on this network. :)
[01:36] <adueppen> wxl: After having dinner here, I did manage to find the relevant information but it was darkxst who told me to do it so I might have to wait until tomorrow
[19:25] <wxl> so if anyone hasn't already seen i sent an email to ubuntu-release basically suggesting that we will likely not participate in alpha 1 and i highlighted the problem bugs http://v.gd/e9i5ts
[19:26] <teward> wxl: hate to ask if you can follow up and indicate that one of your testers found that third one in the Server ISOs, as well... I mean, I WOULD, but I'm not a release manager :P  Anyone reading bugs would notice this though :P
[19:27] <teward> though I think Adam can figure that one out
[19:27] <teward> :P
[19:27] <teward> (just by the information in the comments)
[19:27] <wxl> what, wait, teward? link me maybe?
[19:28] <teward> wxl: the debian-installer bug
[19:28] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1529297
[19:28] <teward> "During an Installation test case for Ubuntu Server, using the 2015-12-25 ISOs on the test case for an Ubuntu Server ISO, it was discovered that after installation the /etc/apt/sources.list file has two CDROM lines present, which would rely on the installation ISOs. One is commented, but the second is not, and out of the box, apt-get and updating does not work."
[19:28] <wxl> teward: you mean the one i linked? what am i supposed to follow up on? :)
[19:28] <teward> wxl: i figured after the fact that Adam will figure it out
[19:29] <teward> wxl: that bug for the alternate tracked back to Ubuntu Server :)
[19:29] <wxl> oh, so you want me to point out the obvious XD
[19:29] <teward> wxl: or, give me $15 for coffee :)
[19:29] <teward> coffee would have helped :)
[19:29] <wxl> adam's listened to me whine enough about debian installer that he knows what it affects, i'm sure XD
[19:29] <tsimonq2> :D
[19:29] <teward> wxl: heh.
[19:30]  * wxl carefully sips espresso
[19:30] <teward> wxl: i know they squished a Wily ISO issue when the installer was using eth0, etc. but the kernel after was using predictable net interface naming
[19:30] <teward> so it broke all installs xD
[19:30] <teward> or was that Vivid... I forget :)
[19:47] <teward> wxl: according to "that guy", he ran a server test and was unable to replicate the debian-installer bug i referenced above, has anyone else on the Lubuntu team tested and confirmed the issue remains?
[19:47]  * teward pokes tsimonq2 and points at his last message
[19:47] <wxl> did as of yesterday
[19:47] <wxl> phillw and/or Kamilion can one of you check and see if the alternate bug still exists? we have reason to believe it may not
[19:48] <Kamilion> I'm having issues with vmware workstation at the moment; unable to test.
[19:48] <wxl> you and your darn vmware :)
[19:49]  * Kamilion shrugs
[19:49] <teward> wxl: i've re-synced my ISO and am going to run the test myself too
[19:49] <teward> (i grabbed the image from today xD)
[19:49] <Kamilion> I blame nvidia's anti-virtualization driver patches over the last year.
[19:49] <wxl> thanks guys. keep me updated and of course fix the bug :)
[19:49] <adueppen> I might be able to test it today if I'm not too busy with the ubiquity bug
[19:49] <wxl> Kamilion: you know, you COULD use virtualbox.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> well the Server image doesn't show it for me
[19:49] <tsimonq2> and I zsynced the ISOs
[19:49] <wxl> adueppen: i would recommend staying on that one. if you can fix the ubiquity bug or even help it will make a big difference!
[19:49]  * tsimonq2 double-checks his zsync script
[19:49] <Kamilion> wxl: you know I avoid touching oracle products as if they carried the plague.
[19:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: well we know it is a permissions problem with ubiquity-dm
[19:50] <tsimonq2> so
[19:50] <adueppen> ok thanks wxl
[19:50] <wxl> Kamilion: i know. and i don't blame you. i'd recommend kvm if you didn't use that god forsaken OTHER os ;)
[19:50] <teward> tsimonq2: AIUI the Lubuntu alternate ISOs are based on the Server image, where I had seen it
[19:50] <teward> though i'm submitting a test result shortly
[19:50] <Kamilion> Again, nvidia is to blame for that
[19:50] <wxl> Kamilion: maybe you should adopt a similar stance to nvidia as you do with oracle ;)
[19:50] <phillw> wxl: just zsyncing
[19:50] <tsimonq2> teward: I would be interested to see if it exists in the Lubuntu ISO but not in the Server ISO
[19:51] <wxl> thanks phillw keep me updated!
[19:51] <teward> tsimonq2: if it does, then the Lubuntu team has a problem :p
[19:51] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah that would be most interesting and entirely unexpected
[19:51] <wxl> what teward said :/
[19:51] <tsimonq2> well can someone confirm??
[19:51] <tsimonq2> because in my testing, that bug did not exist
[19:51] <Kamilion> I would if nvidia actively attempted to destroy competition, attempted to flaunt money and power, and were run by buttheads like Larry Ellison, but that is not the case.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> so we need an install of Lubuntu and a Server install
[19:52] <teward> tsimonq2: i'm running the Server test now
[19:52] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[19:52] <teward> then will pull the Lubuntu alternate test case and test that
[19:52] <Kamilion> grabbing vbox now to test
[19:52] <phillw> I'm runing alt 64
[19:52] <wxl> heheheh
[19:52] <teward> assuming the Server test doesn't have the issue, that is
[19:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: hm :)
[19:52] <teward> phillw: the 12/30 ISO?
[19:52] <phillw> teward: yes
[19:52] <teward> ok
[19:52]  * wxl pets Kamilion in a soothing way to calm him from the terror of using an Oracle product
[19:53] <teward> phillw: please let me know if the issue is gone, if it is, then I'll close the bug with a comment, if not, and I can't replicate on the Server ISO, then that's a weird one
[19:53] <wxl> maybe we should wait until the 12/30 iso is done
[19:53] <teward> wxl: look at this, I'm doing Lubuntu ISO testing by doing Ubuntu Server ISO testing xD
[19:53] <wxl> it should be ready soon
[19:53] <wxl> teward: i knew we could figure out some way for you to do QA for us XD
[19:53] <teward> wxl: indeed, though i wouldn't mind testing the current build to confirm/refute tsimonq2 in this case xD
[19:53] <tsimonq2> uhhhhh teward...
[19:53] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit!
[19:54] <teward> tsimonq2: ?
[19:54] <tsimonq2> xenial-server-amd64.iso.zsync   15-Nov-2015 06:46  1.4M  Server install image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (zsync metafile)
[19:54]  * tsimonq2 has to redo all of his test cases
[19:54]  * tsimonq2 tweaks his script to zsync from pending
[19:54] <wxl> oh jeez tsimonq2
[19:54] <teward> tsimonq2: congratulations, burn your testcases
[19:54] <teward> all of them
[19:54] <teward> [   ] xenial-server-amd64.iso         30-Dec-2015 06:52  724M  Server install image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (standard download)
[19:54] <teward> [   ] xenial-server-amd64.iso.zsync   30-Dec-2015 06:59  1.4M  Server install image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (zsync metafile)
[19:54] <teward> ^ from the server's dailyiso page
[19:54] <tsimonq2> so yes, it very well could still exist...
[19:54]  * tsimonq2 is sad
[19:55] <tsimonq2> sorry everyone
[19:55] <wxl> 29 16 * * *for-project lubuntu cron.daily; for-project lubuntu cron.daily-live --live
[19:55] <wxl> so we SHOULD have the image for the 30th
[19:55]  * tsimonq2 kicks his script in the nards
[19:55] <wxl> argh
[19:56] <wxl> since it's Wed Dec 30 19:56:03 UTC 2015
[19:56] <wxl> build failures oh no http://v.gd/SHXYYN
[19:56]  * tsimonq2 resyncs his ISOs, adjusting current to pending
[19:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: which is why it didn't get to current...
[20:00]  * tsimonq2 learned his lesson, always sync rom pending if it's automated :)
[20:00] <tsimonq2> *from
[20:05] <teward> tsimonq2: wxl: phillw: confirmed the issue still remains
[20:05] <teward> at least in SErver
[20:06] <wxl> ok so we DO have alternate images for today
[20:06] <wxl> the desktop is rebuilding
[20:31] <teward> tsimonq2: wxl: phillw: issue that we saw with the uncommented deb line traced to apt-setup; bug traced, and cjwatson uploaded an (untested) fix, so hopefully that resolves some issues
[20:31] <teward> (at least, for Server and Lubuntu Alt)
[20:32] <teward> Kamilion: ^
[20:32] <phillw> it does not work for me, but my link dropped out.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> yay :)
[20:32] <teward> phillw: i don't think it'll make it in until next build?
[20:32] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:19:46] <teward> cjwatson: so then when the next build runs with the updated apt-setup in it, we shouldn't see this issue?
[20:32] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:21:00] <cjwatson> indeed
[20:32] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:21:03] <cjwatson> hopefully
[20:32] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:21:34] <teward> if it doesn't there'll be more Critical failures on the Server ISO test :p
[20:32] <Kamilion> acknowledged
[20:32] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:21:45] <teward> then I get to report it in the server team meeting that it was an issue xD
[20:32] <tsimonq2> teward: maybe wxl can do another build?
[20:33] <teward> tsimonq2: not until it's built and available in Xenial
[20:33] <tsimonq2> teward: ohhh that *package*
[20:33] <teward> tsimonq2: yes
[20:33] <teward> tsimonq2: two builds:
[20:33] <phillw> I'm on 3g device, I cannot afford another full iso download!
[20:33] <teward> (1) the new apt-setup upload
[20:33] <teward> (2) the next ISO built with it
[20:34] <teward> #1 will likely complete before #2
[20:34] <phillw> teward: #1 has to complete before #2, else #2 is of no use :P
[20:34] <teward> right
[20:34] <teward> phillw: prereq of #2 is #1
[20:34] <tsimonq2> teward: and wxl can do #2 for us
[20:35] <teward> tsimonq2: won't help the other releases or builds :P
[20:35] <teward> but meh
[20:35] <teward> but yeah wxl could respin alts
[20:35] <teward> though...
[20:35] <tsimonq2> well just to test that the fix is valis
[20:35] <tsimonq2> *valid
[20:35] <teward> wxl: did cjwatson say there's still issues?
[20:35] <teward> (with the caching and Librarian adn such including ISO builders)
[20:35]  * teward didn't pay 100% attention in -release
[20:35] <phillw> bug still says fix committed.
[20:36] <teward> phillw: hasn't left proposed
[20:36] <teward> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-setup/1:0.104ubuntu2
[20:36] <teward> should migrate soon (?)
[20:49] <Kamilion> uhh
[20:49] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/  <--- something is very strange here
[20:49] <Kamilion> I've never seen a .1 before
[20:49] <teward> Kamilion: means a rebuild
[20:50] <teward> i've seen it before in cases where a rebuild was pushed
[20:50] <teward> and a .2 for a second rebuild
[20:50] <teward> rare, yes, but i've seen it
[20:51] <tsimonq2> ^\
[20:51] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:02:17] <cjwatson> wxl: kicked a fresh build
[20:51]  * Kamilion shrugs, ignores it, and downloads current
[20:51] <teward> [2015-12-30 15:02:22] <cjwatson> wxl: assuming you mean desktop
[20:51] <teward> hence the .1
[20:51] <Kamilion> where was that?
[20:52] <Kamilion> OFTC?
[20:52] <teward> Kamilion: #ubuntu-release
[20:52] <teward> this network
[20:52] <wxl> wait, you guys need a rebuild?
[20:52]  * Kamilion joins and detaches
[20:52] <teward> wxl: no we don't
[20:52] <Kamilion> wxl: I have no idea what the heck I'm doing at this point.
[20:52] <teward> wxl: phillw and tsimonq2 were saying "but we can have wxl run a build again of alternate once apt-setup is updated and migrated"
[20:52] <wxl> ok just reading backlog
[20:52] <wxl> OH ok
[20:53] <Kamilion> so I just skipped it and downloaded the server daily instead
[20:53] <teward> wxl: the updated apt-setup from cjwatson is in Proposed
[20:53] <wxl> ping me to rebuild when it's ready teward
[20:53] <teward> wxl: can i just wait for it to autorebuild overnight :
[20:53] <teward> :P
[20:53] <wxl> forget that noise, teward. i want to get some testing done! :)
[20:53] <teward> :)
[20:54] <wxl> ok headed to lunch
[20:54] <teward> wxl: here, plug this in and see if it blows up your computer *hands a disk labeled "Lubuntu ancient"
[20:54] <teward> loljk
[20:59] <Kamilion> okay, so I've got 30.1's iso and the server daily coming down right now, will test in vbox shortly
[20:59] <teward> Kamilion: should still be an issue, since none of those were respinned with the updated apt-setup
[20:59] <teward> since it's not in the Xenial repo yet (pending migrate from proposed -> main)
[20:59] <Kamilion> ohhhh, okay.
[21:01] <teward> yeah migration isn't instant
[21:04] <teward> NOW it's in main.
[21:05] <teward> wxl: I STAB THEEE >:D
[21:05] <tsimonq2> LOL
[21:05] <teward> but the Server ISOs aren't gonna be respun i don't think
[21:09] <tsimonq2> well who manages that>
[21:09] <teward> no idea, but i can wait a day to test :)
[21:10] <tsimonq2> yeah good point :)
[21:10] <teward> i know the Desktop ISOs here were rebuilt but they didn't get done in the first place
[21:10] <teward> no need for a rebuild
[21:10] <teward> i'mma just wait for the next autobuild and test that :)
[22:00] <wxl> teward et al.: alternates rebuilding as we speak.
[22:09] <phillw> wxl: has the package apt-setup - 1:0.104ubuntu2 arrived?
[22:09] <wxl> phillw: unless teward lied to me, it has :)
[22:09] <wxl> !info apt-setup xenial
[22:10] <phillw> wxl: hmm, that does not bode well :P
[22:11] <wxl> lag here sucks
[22:11] <wxl> !info apt-setup-udeb xenial
[22:12] <wxl> argh
[22:12] <wxl> 1304 < teward:#lubuntu-devel> NOW it's in main.
[22:13] <wxl> not sure exactly where he's getting his information from
[22:14] <wxl> ah ha right there http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt-setup/apt-setup_0.104ubuntu2.dsc[1~/shay
[22:14] <wxl> argh
[22:14] <wxl> ah ha right there http://v.gd/ZpJRN8
[22:14] <wxl> LAG I HATE YOU
[22:14] <phillw> wxl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-setup
[22:15] <wxl> yep phillw
[22:16] <phillw> okies, I'll ask phillw.net to build an install for me once the ISO is ready
[22:16] <wxl> phillw: you use i386 or amd64 typically?
[22:16] <phillw> normally 64 bit
[22:16] <wxl> k when it's ready i'll check the list first
[22:21] <wxl> phillw: it's ready and it does containt 0.104ubuntu2
[22:24] <wxl> teward: tsimonq2: Kamilion: alternate ready to test with the new apt-setup if you like
[22:25] <Kamilion> wxl: where do I find the old and new copies?
[22:25] <Kamilion> is that under daily-preinstalled or daily?
[22:25] <wxl> iso is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20151230.1
[22:26] <wxl> old one was s|\.1||
[22:26] <Kamilion> pulling both down now
[22:27] <Kamilion> and the server iso will be respun tomorrow?
[22:28] <Kamilion> I'll check it's been fixed then.
[22:28] <Kamilion> i grabbed today's server
[22:28] <wxl> Kamilion: i can request a rebuild there (i think)
[22:28] <wxl> let me ask at release if anyone objects
[22:28] <Kamilion> So, things to test: apt-setup's CDROM line being commented out
[22:28] <Kamilion> wxl: no need just yet
[22:29] <wxl> Kamilion: maybe make sure alternate is good and then we'll go from there.
[22:29] <Kamilion> it'll pick the fix up on it's own for tomorrow's build unless there's a need to GOTTAGOFAST for a1 or something
[22:29]  * Kamilion monitors https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Alpha1 for changes
[22:30] <wxl> well i'm not sure what the plan is on that one
[22:30] <Kamilion> "yes" is the plan.
[22:30] <Kamilion> I can see it quite clearly right in front of me. :3
[22:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: the question remains, as one of the major bugs is fixed, although the answer was no before, are you shipping A1?
[22:30] <wxl> 29 6 * * *for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily --live
[22:31] <wxl> tsimonq2: well i don't know, as we'd have to extend the time a bit (at least a day) for testing
[22:31] <Kamilion> when's A2 scheduled for?
[22:31] <wxl> so tonight at 11:30 our time server builds Kamilion
[22:31] <wxl> won't hurt to kickstart it
[22:31] <wxl> but i'd confirm the fix in lubuntu first
[22:31] <Kamilion> that's what I'm doin'.
[22:32] <wxl> just talking out loud
[22:32] <Kamilion> 7 minutes left on the ISO downloads
[22:32] <wxl> hey flexiondotorg you around?
[22:32] <Kamilion> which is rather annoying; that should have been less than 60 seconds
[22:32] <Kamilion> ah, no wonder, I'm only getting 1.5MB/sec
[22:32] <wxl> how far are we on the ubiquity bug? adueppen ?
[22:32] <Kamilion> instead of my normal 13.5MB/sec
[22:33] <wxl> Kamilion: comcast?
[22:33] <Kamilion> wxl: I havn't had a chance to test on ubuiquity yet
[22:33] <Kamilion> yeah, 125/20.
[22:33] <adueppen> wxl: I just got back from some grocery shopping, so I haven't been able to make much progress
[22:33] <wxl> Kamilion: nuff sed. no matter what you pay for, you still get throttled.
[22:33] <wxl> fscking QoS
[22:33] <Kamilion> WTF, it just dropped to 90KB/sec
[22:33] <wxl> ouuuuch
[22:34] <Kamilion> wxl: I get throttled? Since when? What the hell?
[22:34] <wxl> adueppen: okie dokie. well keep me up to date.
[22:34]  * Kamilion calls up comcast buisness
[22:34] <wxl> hahahahah
[22:34] <adueppen> I really hope that charter and TWC don't merge since Wisconsin already has enough ISP monopolies
[22:34] <Kamilion> if they're throttling me, I'm going to have WORDS with them. Some very bad ones.
[22:34] <wxl> i thought that was already not going to happen, adueppen ?
[22:34] <adueppen> wxl: I haven't really been checking
[22:34] <wxl> Kamilion: it's irregular, but they do it to freaking everyone.
[22:35] <adueppen> Kamilion: Have fun getting told you need to get a more expensive plan
[22:35] <Kamilion> I don't think they HAVE one, adueppen
[22:35] <wxl> nevermind. done deal. http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/26/charter-time-warner-cable-merger/
[22:35] <Kamilion> we're already paying something like $560 a month
[22:36] <Kamilion> http://beta.speedtest.net/result/4957144578
[22:36] <wxl> it was the merger with comcast that didn't happen
[22:36] <Kamilion> yeah, definitely ain't my side :/
[22:36] <adueppen> wxl: I don't recall hearing if it was approved by the FCC or not though
[22:36]  * tsimonq2 gets 2 MB/s down :P
[22:36] <tsimonq2> 3 on a good day
[22:37] <wxl> phillw's always using a 3G dongle. i don't know how he manages to survive.
[22:37] <wxl> what's funny is i remember my first 2400 baud modem and thinking that it was just lightning fast.
[22:37] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:37] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: http://puu.sh/maf3E/2eda125073.png
[22:38] <tsimonq2> holy crap! you have an awesome connection!
[22:38] <Kamilion> wxl: I do -- I was stuck on Clearwire 4G out in los banos for almost a year.
[22:38] <adueppen> wxl: I don't know how one of my friends in Canada survives. He gets 25KB/s down on a good day
[22:38] <Kamilion> 128kbit
[22:38] <phillw> wxl: Ì cannot get a decent connection to my server. Unless Kamilion has virt-manager or Unit193 installed on their machines?
[22:38] <Kamilion> thankfully it was unlimited.
[22:38] <wxl> Kamilion: you were in the baño?
[22:38] <Kamilion> for a while, yeah.  I did 90% of the audio work on all of the filmmaking we did.
[22:43] <adueppen> wxl: Yeah but Madison is one of those places that seems a bit more likely
[22:43] <wxl> good job Kamilion
[22:43] <Kamilion> *shrugs* It kept me fed for a few months.
[22:43] <wxl> adueppen: well, i'd sooner see it in portland, personally. it's like little silicon valley at this point
[22:43] <Kamilion> Absolutely terrible place to live though. Friend of mine got his nose broken, no high speed internet access, no social establishments
[22:43] <adueppen> hopefully that gigabit internet in my neighborhood thing isn't like this: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-out-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/
[22:43] <wxl> yiiikes
[22:44] <adueppen> but there is one of the utility boxes for it next door so I don't think it would be like that
[22:44] <Kamilion> adueppen: indeed.
[22:44] <tsimonq2> 0.0
[22:45] <adueppen> and also the person who was in that article had Charter, which is also my ISP
[22:45] <Kamilion> My father also has Charter in nevada
[22:46] <tsimonq2> ha ha ha, Charter people
[22:46] <tsimonq2> you have it bad
[22:46] <Kamilion> paying like $55 a month for 60mbit
[22:46] <Kamilion> I was floored that he was getting such a better deal than my local comcast's $79/mo 15mbit "With powerbooster!" plan
[22:47] <Kamilion> I actually thought he was lying when he told me the speeds he was getting. ;_;
[22:47]  * Kamilion goes back to trying to work
[22:47] <phillw> wxl: cannot get the ISO to even start to install. Sorry.
[22:47] <adueppen> Kamilion: I think my plan is about the same but I haven't bothered to ask how much it costs
[22:48] <adueppen> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4957166348 kinda crappy ping time is only because I'm on wifi
[22:48] <Kamilion> launching lubuntu desktop 12/30.1 with "Install Ubuntu"
[22:49] <Kamilion> Confirm X closes and TTY displays, followed by desktop restarting to live session.
[22:50] <adueppen> oh wait there was an update?
[22:50] <wxl> phillw: because of your connect or what?
[22:50] <wxl> Kamilion: you do know i was talking about the *alternate*, right?
[22:50] <phillw> because of my connect.
[22:51] <wxl> phillw: as i thought. no problem. thanks!
[22:51] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/me9MI/420ace46fc.png
[22:52] <Kamilion> adueppen: behavior confirmed.
[22:52] <wxl> ew nano gross
[22:53] <adueppen> Kamilion: I do recall darkxst saying that was some kind of other issue or something like that
[22:53] <adueppen> lemme check the logs
[22:53] <Kamilion> ubiquity launches from the 'lubuntu' user without any errors on the terminal.
[22:54] <Kamilion> Bingo
[22:54] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/me9Yz/4f37e07097.png
[22:54] <Kamilion> adueppen: there's your failure.
[22:55] <tsimonq2> wxl: what do you think of Atom?
[22:55] <wxl> tsimonq2: good for people that like GUIs :)
[22:55] <tsimonq2> heh
[22:55] <Kamilion> Atom?
[22:56] <wxl> Kamilion: the editor
[22:56] <adueppen> Kamilion: (08:45:42 PM) darkxst: pretty sure you can ignore this also (08:45:42 PM) darkxst: Fatal server error: (08:45:43 PM) darkxst: (EE) xf86OpenConsole: Switching VT failed
[22:56] <Kamilion> the web editor?
[22:56] <wxl> Kamilion: what's that org.gtk.vfs.Daemon crash?
[22:56] <wxl> that's 3s before the ubiquity crash
[22:56] <adueppen> my personal text editor is brackets since when I write code it's usually for the web
[22:57] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14296680/
[22:57] <Kamilion> wxl: hence "bingo"
[22:57] <Kamilion> line 753-765 is "Install Ubuntu" crashing out.
[22:58] <Kamilion> line 800 is being run as the "lubuntu" user from lxterminal.
[22:58] <Kamilion> after the live desktop starts.
[22:58]  * Kamilion confirms the behavior adueppen has seen.
[22:58] <wxl> i wonder if that bus it refers to is dbus
[22:59] <adueppen> Kamilion: that makes sense since darkxst mentioned something about a leaked cursor
[22:59] <adueppen> something also seems to be messed up in the code where ubiquity gets a "busy cursor"
[22:59] <wxl> yes it is
[22:59] <wxl> that's a gvfs dbus interface
[22:59] <Kamilion> urrgh, stupid mir.
[23:00] <wxl> note that the dbus stuff loads later
[23:00] <Kamilion> why does it even TRY mir >.<
[23:00] <adueppen> Kamilion: yeah I know
[23:00] <wxl> although dbus stuff is loading before that
[23:06] <phillw> wxl: Master bodhi_zazen is doing the alt 64 bit install via KVM as soon as he has grabbed the ISO..... For a Fedora guy, he's still a nice man and doesn't forget us :)
[23:07] <wxl> phillw: wonderful! thanks!
[23:07] <phillw> wxl: I'll let you thank him on #phillw :)
[23:14] <phillw> wxl: I cannot ascertain any issue with my 3g device, their site is 'down' :/
[23:14] <wxl> :/
[23:16] <phillw> I can log onto virt10, but not the new VM.
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> it is installing now. did not test encryption of any sort, or LVM, nothing fancy
[23:21] <Kamilion> eh?
[23:21] <Kamilion> oh, then I can abort, someone with more sense than I do is testing.
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> it is a 47 %
[23:22] <wxl> more testers the better Kamilion
[23:23] <wxl> since i see no tests in progress, my guess is that bodhi_zazen is just doing a spot check anyways :)
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> do you not have a live .iso ?
[23:23] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/mebTC/4de12de050.png
[23:23] <Kamilion> bug confirmed, trying again with the corrected ISO
[23:23] <wxl> yep there's a live iso (the desktop one) but the alternate one is the one we need to confirm works
[23:23] <adueppen> should I get the new .1 ISO if I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1527353?
[23:23] <Kamilion> the disc IS in the drive still
[23:24] <wxl> however if you want to do the live one and try to help us figure out this mess with ubiquity that would be nice
[23:24] <tsimonq2> ^
[23:24] <wxl> adueppen: sure but i doubt it's going to make any difference. the .1 is to fix an issue with the launchpad librarian caching that was causing a build failure
[23:24] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/mebYS/5ed2ed1e42.png
[23:24] <adueppen> wxl: OK just checking
[23:25] <wxl> Kamilion: pastebin the sources.list and gimme a version on apt-setup please
[23:25] <Kamilion> ...
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> wxl, I can look at the live iso
[23:27] <wxl> bodhi_zazen: all we know is that if you try to go straight to install (ubiquity), then ubiquity crashes and it starts the live session. from there, you can start ubiquity with no problem. may be a boot sequence issue.
[23:27] <wxl> bodhi_zazen: the above bug that adueppen mentioned provides more information.
[23:28] <adueppen> wxl: that's why I'm trying to figure out how to start ubiquity later but have no idea how to do that
[23:28] <wxl> adueppen: probably something to do with systemd, i'd imagine, but haven't really researched it
[23:29] <adueppen> wxl: I have something with it open, lemme search through my 34 tabs
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> take a look or post "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/debconf.py", line 83"
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> my guess is a "simple" typo
[23:29] <wxl> :)
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> if you could pastebin that file
[23:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: did he just find the solution?
[23:30] <wxl> tsimonq2: potentially. someone with the live iso needs to provide that py file
[23:30] <adueppen> wxl: darkxst did tell me that along with ubiquity getting updated when this problem started, there was this update to systemd as well: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/228-2ubuntu2
[23:30] <adueppen> wxl: I have the live ISO booted up
[23:30] <wxl> adueppen: cat /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/debconf.py | pastebinit
[23:31] <wxl> install pastebinit first obviously
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> I filed a bug report years ago asking pastebinit be included by default in Ubuntu
[23:31] <wxl> yeah
[23:32] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: the alternate bug is different to ubiquity one :)
[23:32] <adueppen> suddenly my internet crapped out on me at 99% of reading package lists
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> grub install ...
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> Hope this does not crash gnome-wayland , lol
[23:33] <adueppen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14297753
[23:34] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: it will either boot, or you will have a very limited shell login :)
[23:34] <phillw> *boot into lubuntu*
[23:34] <adueppen> `status = int(status)` seems to be the bad line here
[23:35] <wxl> bodhi_zazen:         status = int(status)
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> it is booting to a black screen in KVM
[23:38] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: does the top of /etc/apt/sources.list still have the link to the CD un-commented? (you have vi)
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> not sure
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> trying to boot to vnc rather then spice
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> kvm + spice + wayland == black screeen
[23:40] <phillw> hmm, you should have a login......
[23:40] <phillw> ahh, I stopped using spice when they marked it as won't fix. I just change to VMVGA each time
[23:40] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: I got a black screen once in virtualbox but I checked and the md5 didn't match
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> let me log into lxqt
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> black screen, what dm are you using ?
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> lightdm? sddm?
[23:46] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: me?
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> no, the lubuntu test install
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> cdrom is commented out in sources list
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> lubuntu-desktop is not installed with the alternate cd
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> installing now
[23:49] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: did switching to vmvga give you the login screen for alternate ?
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> no, it looks as if all of X needs to be installed
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> linky to page with test iso again ?
[23:50] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/109565/downloads
[23:51] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: so, it is falling over before or at the point that tasksel is instructed to install lubuntu-desktop.
[23:52] <phillw> and Coin's tidyup is too late in the process I'm guessing.
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> md5 sum is good
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> had to "apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> running now ...
[23:53] <wxl> it would be nice to know that the lubuntu-desktop install doesn't fail
[23:53] <wxl> and/or that updates work fine
[23:53] <wxl> cuz at least that's a step in the right direction
[23:53] <wxl> now it would be interest to see if tasksel is failing with server tasks
[23:53] <phillw> wxl: lubuntu-desktop installs fine. I already confirmed that :)
[23:53] <wxl> intersting that is
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> it appears none of the lubuntu desktop was installed
[23:53] <wxl> oh ok phillw
[23:54] <adueppen> has any progress been made on the ubiquity bug?
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> adueppen, we know the bad line ;)
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> what is the default lubuntu theme ? humanity ? awaita ?
[23:56] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: Lubuntu
[23:56] <adueppen> bodhi_zazen: good, but I know that darkxst said that was likely a separate issue. I don't take him as an absolute source though.
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> my guess with lubuntu-desktop is that it pulls in more then you may want.
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> adueppen, I have not really looked at the ubiquity code, but it looks like a trivial fix, not sure
[23:58] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: it pulls in, via tasksel, what lubuntu-desktop needs from what is basically a net-boot ISO :)
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> aye but it looks like a ton of stuff ;p
[23:59] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Full_install.2C_minimal_install_or_core_install.3F
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> hard to say as it needs to install all of X as well
[23:59] <phillw> you can see the list there.... I'm sure finding the Xenial one isn't too hard to find :P
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> it is pulling sound stuff too
[23:59] <phillw> yup,


[00:38] <mapps> well
[00:39] <mapps> evil dead sucked
[00:39] <mapps> you seen them daftykins?
[00:39] <mapps> il watch 2nd..maybe its better ..:P
[00:39] <daftykins> wussat? naw not familiar with that
[00:55] <diddledan> in soviet russia dead sucks your evil
[00:55] <diddledan> or maybe evil sucks your dead
[00:55] <diddledan> I can't decide which
[01:22] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/jetjocko/status/684537451122180096
[01:22] <diddledan> I am in full agreement with that tweet
[02:45] <ali1234> how can anyone not be familiar with evil dead... sam raimi? bruce campbell?
[02:46] <zmoylan-pi> never seen it i don't think
[02:46] <diddledan> I've not seen any of them either
[02:46] <ali1234> well you need to correct that asap
[02:46] <ali1234> maybe start with 2 or 3 though
[02:46] <zmoylan-pi> meh, i'm good
[02:46] <ali1234> because 1 is basically some kids with a camera
[02:47] <daftykins> sounds like something horror or zombie related which i'd likely ignore
[02:47] <ali1234> yes pretty much
[02:47] <zmoylan-pi> it can be hard recommending some series when you have to tell them 'but start with'... :-)
[02:47] <ali1234> 2 is basically a remake of 1 but with a budget
[02:47] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of trek series are like that as is discworld
[02:47] <diddledan> it's a serial version of night of the living dead :-p
[02:48] <ali1234> if you are in to low budget "amateur" films then you will be fine with 1
[02:48] <ali1234> also, they have a lot of comedy, more so in the later films
[02:48] <ali1234> it's not serious at all... i mean it has bruce campbell
[02:48] <diddledan> I can't place who that is
[02:49] <zmoylan-pi> ditto
[02:49] <ali1234> he's... ash from evil dead?
[02:49] <zmoylan-pi> which... i haven't seen...
[02:49] <diddledan> erm
[02:49] <diddledan> yeah that ^
[02:50] <ali1234> even if you have not seen the films, you've heard people repeating the catchphrases... mostly from army of darkness
[02:50] <diddledan> I have?
[02:50] <zmoylan-pi> i wanted to like the walking dead tv series but by season 2 they were making mistakes so dumb i was rooting for the zombies
[02:51] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAVSMg380qA
[02:51] <diddledan> wait, evil dead isn't walking dead?
[02:51] <ali1234> no?
[02:51] <ali1234> pretty much the only relation is they both have zombies
[02:51] <zmoylan-pi> i did like wwz the book, but saw from the trailer of the movie that they had ruined it
[02:56] <popey> Only zombie movie I really like is Dawn of the Dead
[02:56] <popey> Zombies roaming a shopping mall
[02:57] <zmoylan-pi> for doomsday movies/tv shows/books give me triffids :-)
[02:57] <zmoylan-pi> say it with flowers :-D
[03:04] <m0nkey_> Turns out Kodak are bringing back Super 8 .. http://www.kodak.com/ek/us/en/Consumer/Products/Super8/default.htm
[03:05] <diddledan> o_O
[03:05] <diddledan> and here I thought I was the nutjob
[03:06] <mapps> going to watch the big short;]
[03:06] <mapps> evil dead films suck
[03:06] <mapps> i only watched them as that series ash s evil dead is kinda based on them
[03:06] <mapps> ash vs
[03:07] <zmoylan-pi> bringing back film... that'll be a success... not...
[03:07]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what sort of dumb friday meeting came up with that idea...
[03:09] <m0nkey_> Hipsters
[03:10] <zmoylan-pi> hipsters would be happy with a super8 case that held your shiny new iphone to shoot movies
[03:10] <daftykins> ;]
[03:10] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, even better, they beat digital movies by recording on analogue and scanning it into a digital movie format
[03:11] <diddledan> nothing beats digital more than digital!
[03:11] <daftykins> MOAR!
[03:11] <diddledan> their digital is more digital than everyone else's digital though
[03:13] <diddledan> I wonder how many people that buy that thing will go on holiday and let the airport put the film through the scanner
[03:13] <daftykins> that kills film? didn't even know
[03:13] <daftykins> i skipped that whole thing :D
[03:13] <diddledan> a whole new generation of people need to rediscover that film is sensitive to 1) light, 2) xrays, 3) stretching
[03:14] <ali1234> stretching?
[03:14] <zmoylan-pi> their digital has 0's 1's and 2's!!
[03:14] <diddledan> ali1234, or tearing?
[03:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, startrek! trinary!
[03:14] <daftykins> i'm gonna try something daring later this month... fly to Gatwick, leave the airport, train it one station north for 2 mins, visit a post office, train it back... then fly to Spain
[03:14] <diddledan> o_O
[03:15] <diddledan> weirdo
[03:15] <daftykins> :D
[03:15] <zmoylan-pi> if only the post office had a way to send you the thing without the travel...
[03:16] <daftykins> it's me sending the thing!
[03:16] <daftykins> there is method in my madness, but alas it is hush hush rockdweller speak ;)
[03:16] <zmoylan-pi> if only they made post offices in other countries...
[03:17] <zmoylan-pi> you could send the package to someone you know in uk to send it from there if it needs a uk post mark
[03:17] <daftykins> nah
[03:18] <daftykins> right, shower and bed for me
[03:18] <daftykins> \o
[03:18] <zmoylan-pi> weirdest package i sent was vikings to norway...
[03:18] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:19] <diddledan> wait, you sent vikings TO norway?
[03:19] <diddledan> isn't that backasswards?
[03:19] <zmoylan-pi> i felt as an irish person it was the thing to do... :-)
[03:19] <diddledan> lol
[03:20] <zmoylan-pi> in this case lego vikings to norwegian friends for their wedding present.  both huge geeks really into lego
[03:20] <diddledan> \o/
[03:20] <diddledan> lego!
[03:20] <zmoylan-pi> plus star wars lego coz, well they're geeks
[03:20] <diddledan> apparently the PS4 runs a heavily modified freebsd
[03:21] <zmoylan-pi> had to use 2 hp pc boxes to make a box big enough to hold all the sets
[03:21] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't fit in post office hatch, had to open door to take it in
[03:22] <zmoylan-pi> didn't someone get linux running on ps4 in last few days... till sony shuts them out with a patch i suppose
[03:22] <ali1234> they used an old firmware... lready patched
[03:22] <diddledan> I heard something along those lines, yeah
[03:23] <ali1234> it was a webkit exploit
[03:46] <mapps> i thought linux alredy ran on the ps4?
[03:47] <zmoylan-pi> that was the ps3, till sony removed the option
[03:48] <zmoylan-pi> dumbest thing sony ever did
[03:51] <mapps> i thought one uses linux officially some custom one
[03:52] <zmoylan-pi> it did, the ps3 had 'other os' option but sony removed it and annoyed a suprisingly large number of people
[03:54] <mapps> hm
[03:54] <mapps> this big short is ok
[03:54] <mapps> did you see evil dead?
[04:48] <mapps> sleep time soon
[04:49] <mapps> anyone here ue kodi/xbmc?
[04:57] <diddledan> ergh: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jan/06/north-korea-major-announcement-artificial-earthquake-nuclear-test-site-live?CMP=fb_gu
[04:59] <mapps> hm
[05:26] <mapps> finished the big short:D
[07:37] <Gsp> Hi, are you interested to to help me with a survey for my startup ?          http://goo.gl/forms/JizEdZWM5Y
[07:42] <mapps> in a bit
[08:11] <Guest88069> morning all
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning even
[08:20] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:21] <MooDoo> :)
[08:25] <knightwise> Just setup a brand new Raspberry pi install at home. Using the dietpi distro, pretty sweet
[08:25] <knightwise> you can add and subtract whatever you want to run on the pi using simple scripts
[08:27] <pwaring> Is that at a higher level than apt-get?
[08:28] <knightwise> nah, dont think so , just some clever scripts
[08:37] <knightwise> hey cleder
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:06] <Gsp> Morning
[09:25] <cleder> morning
[09:26] <MooDoo> morning
[09:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude how you feeling today other than hating virgin
[09:34] <foobarry> hmm
[09:35] <foobarry> makemkv not working for me :(
[09:35] <foobarry> "application failed to initialise"
[09:41] <davmor2> foobarry: did you you follow all the instructions in the right order
[09:42] <foobarry> there's instructions?
[09:42] <foobarry> there's a forum post
[09:42] <foobarry> however i discovered that makemkvcon might be all i need
[09:42] <davmor2> foobarry: and there are instructions on the post and a readme file iirc
[09:42] <foobarry> the configure make make install did work for the gui though, and the bare forum post intrucctions
[09:42]  * foobarry checks for readme
[09:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm ok thanks, just waiting for my new books
[10:20] <Gsp> Can you help me to share a survey for a new laptop concept ?     http://goo.gl/forms/JizEdZWM5Y
[10:52] <andylockran> morning!
[10:53] <Myrtti> time of day
[10:56] <pendulum> Hiya
[10:56] <MooDoo> :)
[11:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: Oh hey you're here now ;)
[11:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9lFqxGGCXQ
[11:09] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'm not, not really. It's a cunning illusion.
[11:11] <JamesTait> davmor2, I feel old now!
[11:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: good one for todays topic though right :)
[11:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude
[11:13] <JamesTait> davmor2, yep. Happy Technology Day. ☺
[11:13] <JamesTait> "There's the dance floor - get on it!"
[11:15] <davmor2> JamesTait: No I'm older than you I'll prop up the bar with moodoo and watch you young whippersnappers act like fools on the dancefloor
[11:20] <MooDoo> :)
[12:25] <foobarry> just discovered a tool called "name my tv series"
[12:25] <foobarry> really handy
[12:25] <foobarry> for setting correct names on files
[12:32] <knightwise> foobarry: that sounds cool
[12:33] <knightwise> to make the DL's plex compatible
[12:33] <foobarry> rips
[12:33] <foobarry> yeah
[12:35] <knightwise> rips , of course
[13:38]  * bigcalm grumbles at network stuff
[13:39] <bigcalm> My work work station has decided not to connect to the office router. Either via ethernet cable or via wifi
[13:39] <bigcalm> But I can connect to my mifi wifi
[13:39] <bigcalm> Ethernet cable from wall is connected to desk phone, that works. Plugging the workstation into the wall still doesn't work
[13:40] <bigcalm> What's happened, any way I can debug this?
[13:40] <bigcalm> Rebooting my workstation has not helped
[13:40] <bigcalm> Rebooting the office router during office hours, when everybody else can use it okay, is not really an option I have
[13:43] <bigcalm> From /var/log/syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14420092/
[13:51] <SuperMatt> "DHCPv4 request timed out" There's a problem with the DHCP service on your network
[13:51] <SuperMatt> meaning you can't be offered and IP address
[13:51] <SuperMatt> you may be able to create a static ip for now
[13:59] <bigcalm> I'll try that
[13:59] <bigcalm> Ta
[14:03] <bigcalm> Yep, setting a static IP address worked
[14:03] <bigcalm> Thanks
[14:05] <bigcalm> Computers suck
[14:17] <SuperMatt> yeah, I hate them so much
[14:20] <foobarry> i hate printers and dvds
[14:21] <SuperMatt> oh god, printers are the worst
[14:21] <foobarry> i am still fighting with a good CLI dvd ripping solution
[14:22] <SuperMatt> I understand why they're so goddamn complex, but for 99% of offices, the only options that are needed are "colour [y/N]" and "two-sided [Y/n]"
[14:23] <SuperMatt> You could then have one other printer in the office which has different paper sizes, which only certified individuals can print to
[14:24] <foobarry> ripping tv shows sucks
[14:24] <SuperMatt> well yeah, but that's because bbc will constantly change the way their site works in order to prevent dirty pirates, like you
[14:25] <foobarry> no, i have the DVDs
[14:25] <foobarry> i just want to watch them on my tablet
[14:26] <SuperMatt> oh
[14:26] <SuperMatt> well Ububtu used to come with a good ripper
[14:26] <SuperMatt> but I can't remember what it was called
[14:27] <DJones> SuperMatt: Wasn't that handbrake or devede
[14:27] <SuperMatt> I think it was devede
[14:28] <SuperMatt> tbh, I just watch everything on netflix
[14:28] <SuperMatt> but if it's not there, I will exercise my right to use a competative service
[14:29] <SuperMatt> whether that is legal or not is neither here nor there
[14:29] <foobarry> the tedium is when 7 titles are on a disc and only 4 are real programmes
[14:29] <DJones> Might have been handbrake, that seems to be a dvd ripper, while devede was for creating dvd's
[14:29] <SuperMatt> you're probably right
[14:30] <foobarry> handbrake is good but even the cli requires manual interaction
[14:30] <foobarry> i'm sure somebody has the correct bash script somwehere to make it all easy
[14:30] <SuperMatt> you could write it all yourself, of course ;)
[14:30] <SuperMatt> bash is nice and easy realy
[14:31] <foobarry> bash is, although finding the correct options and undesrtanding dvd title format...
[14:31] <foobarry> oh, just found lsdvd
[14:31] <SuperMatt> you just want to be able to put a dvd in, execute a script, and walk away, right?
[14:32] <SuperMatt> huh, I've never noticed this before, but chrome now gives me arabic autocomplete in the omnibar
[14:33] <foobarry> SuperMatt: yeah, with movies its easy
[14:33] <SuperMatt> it has probably been doing that for an age and I've never noticed though
[14:33] <foobarry> just grab the longest track
[14:33] <foobarry> trying a new way now
[14:35] <SuperMatt> cool
[14:36] <DJones> I knew there was a reason I'd never used blinkbox...Its now been renamed "TalkTalk TV"
[14:52] <foobarry> lol
[14:52] <foobarry> talktalk is a rubbish name
[14:52] <foobarry> i never use the phone
[14:57] <diddledan> yeah it's sucky - I used blinkbox because I got tesco points.. now I don't get those :-(
[15:06] <foobarry> facebook is so needy when you stop using it
[15:06] <foobarry> getting all sorts of notifications after only 2 days
[15:06] <foobarry> android notifications, not within app
[15:07] <foobarry> and emails "activity you've missed"
[15:08] <DJones> Twitter does the same and then says "Do you like this"....No I don't, I didn't yesterday, or the day before, or the month before when I said I didn't like it then either
[15:16] <pendulum> I mostly stopped using Facebook a year and a half ago. The longer you're gone, the fewer notifications you get.
[15:18] <pendulum> They don't go completely away
[15:21] <pendulum> On the rare occasion I go on to check something, I'm pretty much guaranteed to get a notification on my phone within 12 hours. I might get a second in the first 2 days, but then it usually goes back to normal.
[15:23] <pendulum> I use Facebook messenger through the separate app more frequently, but that doesn't seem to effect how often I get notifications
[15:33] <foobarry> i'm doing my annual get off social media and total news blackout
[15:34] <DJones> INteresting, my Itel display driver for Win 8 has stopped responding, thats pretty clever as I'm using Win 10
[15:40] <popey> time for an irc nick change too foobarry :)
[15:46] <diddledan> DJones, impressive
[15:53] <foobarry> heh
[15:59] <foobarry> diplo: davmor2 , know how to get makemkvcon to produce filenames that aren't title0.mkv?
[16:01] <foobarry> bah, ignore that. just realised handbrake allows for minimum track length option, so it performs everything makedvd can do
[16:24] <daftykins> DJones: there's your problem! the wrong one's installed ;)
[16:53] <diddledan> mapps, sky1 are advertising a new series with james nesbitt by stan lee called "lucky man". coming soon they say
[16:53] <diddledan> looks good
[17:22] <davmor2> diddledan: there is a new show on syfy in January called the Magicians that look like it could be good http://www.syfy.com/themagicians
[17:40] <bigcalm> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0841027/
[17:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: The Magicians not Magicians :P  Although that one is comedy gold :)
[17:42] <bigcalm> 'tis a fun film
[21:05] <diddledan> davmor2, thanks for the recommendation, another I just found on imdb is "second chance"


 I meant I need more coffee since it's not enough in my veins :-)
[12:01] <jbicha> good morning
[12:02] <Nafallo> hey jbicha :-)
[12:05] <KGB-0> gdm Jeremy Szu 301389 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/30Z37
[12:19] <bittin> Hey testers, anyone else have problems with updating linux-firmware today in 22.04 ?
[12:21] <KGB-0> gdm ubuntu/master 2297bbe Jeremy Szu debian/patches/ series ubuntu/gdm.rules-Prefer-Wayland-with-NVIDIA-510.patch * Make Wayland as default if nvidia-510 * https://deb.li/35M7v
[12:22] <bittin> lotuspsychje told me in #ubuntu-quality someone else has reported it, and someone is at it already for later this week
[12:24] <KGB-2> gdm ubuntu/master 6543d95 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/3cZUe
[12:25] <seb128> bittin, hey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1964814
[12:26] <bittin> yeha someone else, was faster :p
[13:50] <seb128> jbicha, gnome-boxes is working fine for me
[13:52] <seb128> jbicha, can you create a dir in ~/.config/libvirt/qemu/lib ? just making sure it's not a permission issue
[13:54] <seb128> jbicha, could you also share the journal log?
[13:56] <jbicha> rebooting to check uefi/bios settings
[14:02] <seb128> jbicha, Didier promoted libadwaita now btw
[14:05] <jbicha> 🥳
[14:05] <jbicha> GNOME Boxes is working for me after a restart 🤷
[14:26] <seb128> nice but annoying at the same time that it is unreliable
[15:01] <seb128> I'm going to review the rls bugs now
[15:01] <seb128> kenvandine, unsure if you want to join?
[15:02] <seb128> I'm going to skip the assigned one and just triage those to target and untag
[15:03] <seb128> bug #1964682
[15:05] <seb128> sounds like gunnar is on it, I wiill assign him
[15:06] <seb128> bug #1962585
[15:11] <seb128> sounds like we should deal with, got sidetracked into review upstream activity
[15:12] <seb128> jbicha, ^ could you check that one, maybe report upstream?
[15:13] <seb128> bug #1963758
[15:15] <seb128> asked for details on why it was nominated for rls since it doesn't seem high importance nor a recent regression
[15:16] <seb128> bug #1964442
[15:16] <seb128> did anyone see that issue?
[15:16] <jbicha> seb128: yes I experience the repeated keys bugs
[15:17] <seb128> ah, any idea what updated started it?
[15:17] <jbicha> no, it feels like it could have been a lot of things :(
[15:18] <seb128> :-(
[15:19] <seb128> jbicha, and the tracker one could you report it upstream, it sounds like another seccomp update needed or something
[15:19] <jbicha> yes. By the way I can duplicate bug 1964496
[15:21] <seb128> ah, great, maybe you can also report it upstream. Is there any error in the log?
[15:21] <seb128> log->journal
[15:22] <jbicha> no I didn't see anything in the journal
[16:50] <KGB-2> Extension Manager upstream/latest d739eb5 Heather Ellsworth (10 files in 3 dirs) * New upstream version 0.2.3 * https://deb.li/cLUE
[16:50] <KGB-0> Extension Manager pristine-tar 3d6b5f2 Heather Ellsworth gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.2.3.orig.tar.gz.delta gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.2.3.orig.tar.gz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extension-manager_0.2.3.orig.tar.gz * https://deb.li/3Go1e
[18:11] <jbicha> have y'all seen LP: #1964996 ? annoying bug
[19:23] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[20:47] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master cffee27 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 106 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/CWYC
[20:47] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 0894965 Jeremy Bicha (108 files in 20 dirs) * New upstream version 42~rc * https://deb.li/3c1OG
[20:47] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master f27a931 Jeremy Bicha (108 files in 20 dirs) * Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/42_rc' * https://deb.li/6PTc
[20:47] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 8b5acb7 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * New upstream release * https://deb.li/iwyPy
[20:47] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 9706c31 Jeremy Bicha debian/ control control.in * debian/control.in: Bump minimum meson, libwayland-dev & wayland-protocols * https://deb.li/KC4E
[20:47] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 7c092a2 Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ debian/meson-Do-not-mark-CI-test-tools-as-required.patch meson-add-back-default_driver-option.patch * Refresh patches * https://deb.li/3Pyze
[21:18] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master f57e36e Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/Support-Dynamic-triple-double-buffering.patch * Update triple buffering patch * https://deb.li/7fN


[10:04] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4500 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py): Append to the timezone model using the correct types (LP: #702898).
[10:06] <ev> preparing another upload
[10:06] <ev> speak now if you want anything in it
[10:07] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4501 trunk/debian/real-po/ (63 files): debconf-updatepo
[10:22] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4502 trunk/ (123 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[10:35] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4503 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.14
[11:06] <ev> cjwatson: Cody is seemingly accurately pointing out in bug 707749 that debian_support.Version (lp:usb-creator r320) is not applicable for comparing releases.  I just want to get an idea of your motivation behind using it before addressing the bug.
[11:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 707749 in usb-creator "ValueError: Invalid version string" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707749
[11:06] <ev> distribution releases, that is
[11:09] <cjwatson> ew
[11:09] <cjwatson> yeah, ok, it was a bit of a cheat
[11:09] <cjwatson> if he's managed to construct something that actually breaks it then I suppose we need to roll our own :-/
[11:10] <cjwatson> (though looks like usb-creator needs a bit of work to understand that .disk/info anyway, if I'm understanding correctly?)
[11:12] <ev> indeed
[12:31] <ev> so much for the "ripping to bootloader out of the CD" idea.  I don't think it's going to work unless we set -hard-disk-boot in genisoimage, which we haven't.
[12:32] <ev> assuming I understand the El Tortio specification correctly
[12:32] <cjwatson> sorry, which idea?
[12:33] <ev> pulling the bootloader off the ISO to avoid syslinux/grub version incompatibilities
[12:33] <ev> my thought was some combination of geteltorito + syslinux and memdisk might work
[12:33] <cjwatson> isohybrid does some mangling which I think is roughly equivalent to ending up with -hard-disk-boot
[12:33] <cjwatson> you might find dumpet helpful if you're playing with this
[12:33] <ev> neat, thanks
[12:34] <cjwatson> I think that the -hard-disk-boot stuff only governs header bits, and doesn't necessarily require different contents
[12:34] <cjwatson> so in principle it ought to be possible to twiddle it after the fact
[12:35] <ev> oh? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem entirely then, as surely the value of that doesn't pass through to the boot code that geteltorito extracts, so perhaps the boot is failing for a different reason entirely
[12:36] <cjwatson> I think the way I would approach this would be to compare what you need to do with what isohybrid is doing (probably using dumpet), and try to work out which of the differences are relevant
[12:37] <ev> indeed, will do.  Thanks
[16:06] <superm1> ev, i thought the worry about grub version incompatibilities went away when the CDs switched to grub by usb-creator just dd'ing boot.img and core.img?
[16:06] <cjwatson> but the CDs haven't switched to grub and it continues to be really hard
[16:07] <cjwatson> I'm still working on it, but emulating enough of gfxboot to be acceptable is a pain in the ass
[16:09] <superm1> ah, i wasn't sure how far along you were with it.
[18:17] <ev> hm, some combination of the following may work: 1) write the small bootloader used to find isolinux to the MBR, 2) find out the LBA of isolinux.bin and write it to offset 432, 3) profit?
[18:18] <ev> something to play with tomorrow
[21:58] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1195 ubuntu/ (73 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.60