[09:12] <fari69> hallo i have wlan problem pleas help me.
[09:13] <diogenes_> !ask
[09:14] <fari69> very low
[09:16] <fari69> i am new xubuntu
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi
[09:17] <fari69> wifi
[09:18] <fari69> ok ty
[10:06] <gnrp> lol


[21:59] <Pendulum> elky: on the chance you'll see this before you fly out, I hope you have safe flights!
[22:01]  * nigelb hopes someone clicks a picture of the look on customs' face ;)
[22:03] <Pendulum> ?
[23:27] <elky> Pendulum, thanks, you too.
[23:27] <elky> nigelb, it appears to have busted open, and i only have 1:50 between flights, so I'm deciding that it's likely to end badly and will get it to him some other way


[05:13] <pitti> Good morning
[07:59] <DanChapman> good morning all
[08:01] <Noskcaj> evening DanChapman
[08:01] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, hey o/
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, how's Testdrive?
[09:18] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, good. I've got a huge merge up for review that adds ubuntu studio support
[09:18] <Noskcaj> And ubuntu gnome
[09:18] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, good job man
[09:19] <Noskcaj> thanks. I'll try and get it into debian when it get's merged
[10:55] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:55] <slickymaster> good
[13:36] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, time to test 12.04.3LO
[13:36] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:36] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[13:36] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I'm arriving at office xD
[13:36] <smartboyhw> XD
[13:56] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, what time is there?
[13:59] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, you mean here? 10 pm
[13:59] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, 10pm :O
[13:59] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, I sleep at 12.
[13:59] <SergioMeneses> 9am here
[14:03] <DanChapman> afternoon folks
[14:03] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, time to test 12.04.3:P
[14:05] <SergioMeneses> DanChapman, morning!
[14:05] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, cool :-)
[14:06] <DanChapman> SergioMeneses, Morning :-)
[14:06] <DanChapman> SergioMeneses, smartboyhw , im guessing balloons is on leave this week?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, dunno
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Probably
[14:07] <smartboyhw> mhall119, is balloons on leave?:P
[14:07] <SergioMeneses> really?
[14:07] <SergioMeneses> why?
[14:07]  * SergioMeneses is lost
[14:07]  * smartboyhw does not know
[14:23] <mhall119> smartboyhw: no, why?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> mhall119, dunno ask DanChapman ...
[15:08] <SergioMeneses> mhall119, I think DanChapman is getting crazy xD
[15:08] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, ↑↑↑
[15:08] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, LOL
[15:09] <DanChapman> i mean is he on holiday this week
[15:09] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, SergioMeneses yes he IS on holiday, confirmed by dholbach
[15:09] <SergioMeneses> DanChapman, ah! got it
[15:10] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, :)
[15:37] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, how's your wiki and laptop testing work?
[15:38] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, my personal wiki?
[15:38] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, duh, Lubuntu wiki
[15:38] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:38] <SergioMeneses> ah
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Huh, I'm in 43 channels now:O
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, jeje
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> give me a minute
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Oh?
[15:40]  * smartboyhw is expecting something fun and interesting
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[15:42] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, well, these aren't your wiki work:P
[15:42] <smartboyhw> I mean, after you became the lead
[15:48] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, BTW I think Laptop testing has been done on 12.04.2 before it was released, so you guys would probably want to do that for 12.04.3.
[15:51] <dholbach> hey hey
[15:51] <smartboyhw> hey hey dholbach
[15:51] <dholbach> does anyone know a bit about the manual testcases on packages.qa.ubuntu.com?
[15:51] <smartboyhw> Why have you left the chamber? (a.k.a. #ubuntu-quality)
[15:51] <smartboyhw> dholbach, ah,  a lot (including me)
[15:52] <dholbach> smartboyhw, man, I'm in too many channels already :)
[15:52] <dholbach> so if a new revision lands in lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[15:52] <dholbach> what needs to happen for it to go up on packages.qa.u.c?
[15:52] <smartboyhw> dholbach, we will put it into the packages Qa tracker by a testcase admin
[15:52] <smartboyhw> a.k.a. balloons or chilicuil or me or SergioMeneses or DanChapman or .....
[15:52] <smartboyhw> (a long list:P)
[15:52] <dholbach> ah great, so it's not blocked on balloons then?
[15:52] <smartboyhw> dholbach, NO.
[15:53] <dholbach> awesome
[15:53] <smartboyhw> dholbach, you got something for us?
[15:54] <dholbach> not yet... it was more like investigating how this all works :)
[15:54] <smartboyhw> dholbach, :)
[15:54] <smartboyhw> You will learn this easily I believe, since you are so great
[15:55] <dholbach> no, I'm not :)
[15:59] <smartboyhw> dholbach, anyways, just submit a merge-proposal whenever you are ready
[15:59] <dholbach> smartboyhw, fantastic, thanks
[15:59] <smartboyhw> We will review (by actually running it) and put it in:)
[17:05] <SergioMeneses> sorry smartboyhw I was attending a meeting in my job
[17:09] <phillw> SergioMeneses: he's off-line. TZ's are a pain :)
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> phillw, totally agree
[17:11] <SergioMeneses> ok, lunch time
[17:11] <elfy> I'm sure phillw will agree with me when I say everyone should keep to UTC :p
[17:11] <phillw> I always drop an email to a ping request from IRC so they pick it up next time they're around :)
[17:12] <phillw> elfy: it would be less confusing for sure... I still have issues with British Summer Time :P
[17:13] <elfy> I just add on 1 for 6 months of the year - I've not gone wrong (apart from once) in years
[17:14] <phillw> I've often considered making a complaint to Advertising Standards Authority about the mis leading term of 'Summer' :P
[17:16] <phillw> If it were summer time, then it would apply for 2 weeks :D
[17:16] <elfy> lol
[17:17] <elfy> imagine how fed up people were in the 40s when they called it Double Summer Time :p
[17:17] <elfy> or the 70s even
[18:56] <phillw> are xubuntu and Mythubuntu not having a 12.04.3 release?
[18:56] <knome> are
[18:57] <knome> at least xubuntu is
[19:02] <phillw> knome: I'm short on time, but will pull in the 12.04.3 of amd64 alternate and see how I get on. It takes a couple of hours for me to grab an ISO.
[19:02] <knome> phillw, sure, thanks.
[19:06] <elfy> vbox tests good enough knome ?
[19:06] <knome> elfy, as always
[19:06] <knome> elfy, don't ask me, you're the testing lead! :P
[19:06] <elfy> oh yea lol
[19:07] <elfy> elfy - yea that's fine - carry one
[19:07] <knome> .2 and .3 aren't too different from each other
[19:08] <elfy> grabbing the desktop now, will run through all 3 testcases
[19:09] <elfy> 64bit
[19:10] <elfy> knome: why's 64bit got autoresize/manual and live session but 32bit has those plus entire disk?
[19:10] <knome> i have no idea
[19:11] <knome> have you filtered "tested" out or sth?
[19:12] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/51847/testcases
[19:12] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/51846/testcases
[19:12] <elfy> nope
[19:13] <knome> hmpf.
[19:14] <phillw> knome: elfy I'll also ask unit193 to pull all the 12.04.3's onto http://phillw.net/isos/ as they do pre-date my mirror (faster to download from there).
[19:15] <knome> elfy, wondering if that's because the amd64 image is a bit oversized. probably not, but there's nothing else looking faulty in the tracker
[19:15] <elfy> I couldn't see anything either
[19:16] <elfy> phillw: I got fastish net
[19:17] <phillw> elfy: that server is faster than using the direct cdimage link. Especially when things are a bit busy :)
[19:19] <elfy> took me 2 or 3 minutes to get the 64bit one
[19:20] <phillw> it's only on a 100Mb/s back bone, but does seem faster than cdimage :D
[19:30] <phillw> 9500 kb/s looks much better than 49 kb/s :D
[19:30] <phillw> pulling to the mirros, then I'll grab it from there.
[19:30] <phillw> *mirror sever*
[19:31] <phillw> hmmm dyslexic fingers tonight :)
[19:32] <elfy> :)
[20:47] <phillw> elfy: knome ~ 3hours for my download of alternate amd64. Don't worry, I'll get them done tomorrow! I've sent a failbook message out to ubuntu-quality and lubuntu-offtopic to ask if there are any volunteers for the 32 bit version (lubuntu people are good at 32 bit ones :P )
[20:49] <elfy> I've done desktop stuff phillw
[20:49] <elfy> except for one - and Noskcaj is lookign at that one
[20:59] <phillw> elfy: so, mythubuntu or kubuntu next for you? It really does pain me being in the lovely countryside with a really slow narrow-band link....
[21:12] <elfy> phillw: I'll do my alternate 32bits first ;)
[21:58]  * phillw goes and finds som super-glue for slickymaster :)


[00:11] <mikubuntu> anybody know why i might be having problems with brasero cd burner, and also gnomebaker?  are there any known issues possibly associated with updates?
[00:14] <homebrewcider> anyone know of a bigger compatability list than the one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[00:23] <mindframe-> mikubuntu, try k3b
[00:23] <Mark76> Is it worth having more than one Linux on a desktop?
[00:24] <mikubuntu> mindframe-: ok, did you have a similar prob?
[00:24] <mikubuntu> i know i burned things couple of weeks ago no prob, only thing i can think is updates somehow screwed up brasero
[00:25] <mikubuntu> i go look for k3b, is it in the standard packages?
[00:25] <TheSheep> Mark76: depends on what you do
[00:26] <Mark76> Not a lot
[00:26] <TheSheep> Mark76: My friends keeps every single linux distro he finds on his hdd
[00:26] <mikubuntu> not in appfinder
[00:26] <TheSheep> Mark76: he's a distro developer himself and he wants to keep in touch with what others do
[00:27] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: it's there, just use synaptic
[00:27] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: it's a KDE app
[00:27] <mikubuntu> ok, thx
[00:27] <Mark76> Are there enough differences between distros to justify it in my case?
[00:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: I sometimes keep archlinux or debian on a second partition, to play with them
[00:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: I don't know "your case"
[00:28] <Mark76> I'm just a casual user.
[00:29] <TheSheep> then I guess not
[00:30] <Mark76> Fair enough
[00:30] <TheSheep> unless there is a distro that has something special that interests you
[00:30] <mindframe-> mikubuntu, no i've just always used k3b and never had problems
[00:30] <Mark76> I can't think of any
[00:30] <TheSheep> Mark76: it used to be like that with compiz
[00:30] <TheSheep> Mark76: it may be like that now ith KDE 4
[00:31] <mikubuntu> i never had problems b4 either, using a iomega external burner and it always worked fine
[00:31] <Mark76> Ah right
[00:31] <Mark76> I'll cross the KDE4 bridge when it comes to me
[00:33] <Mark76> I'll certainly add Kubuntu to my options once it's in the official repositories
[00:34] <Mark76> KDE4, that is
[00:34] <Mark76> Not much point whilst they're still on 3.5.  I've seen it
[00:36] <Mark76> Right
[00:36] <Mark76> Bed time!
[00:36] <Mark76> No staying up till 5am for me tongiht
[00:36] <Mark76> Night Sheep
[00:37] <TheSheep> good night
[00:44] <DaBeowulf> Oh damn, Teledat 220 and Ubuntu (even Linux for that matter) doesn't turn up much in google.. I hope I'll get it to work.
[00:44] <DaBeowulf> Do you think a Compex Ethernet card (RL2000) might do as a replacement?
[00:44] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: i wonder what the prob is... installed k3b and it's not detecting my external burner either..
[00:45] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: could this be related to some kind of kernel update?
[00:45] <DaBeowulf> I'd have that to spare for her.
[00:52] <mikubuntu> if it was a problem related to a kernel update, is it possible for me to get the old version back?
[00:54] <mikubuntu> i'm lost without a burner...
[00:55] <DaBeowulf> What do you burn mostly?
[00:55] <DaBeowulf> Does wodim still work?
[00:56] <DaBeowulf> @mikubuntu
[00:57] <mikubuntu> dabeowulf: mostly distro iso's
[00:57] <DaBeowulf> Try wodim then. :)
[00:57] <DaBeowulf> wodim blablabla.iso
[00:57] <mikubuntu> what is wodim?
[00:57] <DaBeowulf> 'man wodim' in the terminal ;)
[00:58] <DaBeowulf> !wodim
[00:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wodim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <mikubuntu> DaBeowulf: ummmm, i looked at the 'man wodim', omg, lot of info .. so do i understand that wodim is 'better' at detecting ext devices?
[01:05] <DaBeowulf> Your burner is an external one?
[01:05] <mikubuntu> yes, iomega.  was working last week or so.  is only about two months old, so i don't think it's wore out.
[01:07] <DaBeowulf> If it doesn't autodetect it when you issue the 'wodim blablabla.iso' command you can try and look in /dev/ for a 'cdrwX' link like cdrw1 or maybe just cdrw and add 'dev=cdrwX' to the command
[01:09] <mikubuntu> i'm not understanding about the 'wodim blablabla.iso' command?
[01:09] <mikubuntu> do you mean wodim only operates from a terminal?
[01:09] <mikubuntu> if so, it might be 'over my head'
[01:09] <DaBeowulf> 'sudo wodim blabla.iso dev=/dev/...' <- like that actually; yes it does
[01:11] <mikubuntu> back to my other question, then, if this is an update to the kernel that has caused the problem, is there a way for me to go back to the older kernel version?
[01:11] <DaBeowulf> ^ like that when you're in the directory where the ISO is lying
[01:11] <mikubuntu> i don't know why it 'just stopped working'
[01:11] <DaBeowulf> I bet 100 bucks.
[01:12]  * mikubuntu is waiting with bait breath for the wager
[01:12] <jjmiv> evening
[01:13] <DaBeowulf> If there's none other there's always reinstall the OS. :P
[01:13] <mikubuntu> evening in some places
[01:13] <jjmiv> yup
[01:13] <jjmiv> actually..i've reinstalled xubuntu twice and it won't load into the operating system...
[01:14] <jjmiv> it boots into recovery mode, but i'm not sure where to go from there in order to 'recover' the first boot option
[01:15] <mikubuntu> omg, maybe i'll go reinstall, then
[01:16] <jjmiv> yeah, when i select the first boot option after install....nothin' happens..ha
[01:27] <jjmiv> any suggestions?
[01:29] <mikubuntu> DaBeowulf: i swear, something is rotten in denmark.  now not even detecting the 'internal' cdrom on my laptop.  can't even reinstall os cause it won't boot from the drive.  what could be up with this...
[01:32] <DaBeowulf> Erm, the BIOS is set to boo from the CD, though?
[01:32] <DaBeowulf> *boot
[01:36] <AlanBShepard70> Can anyone tell me how to find the drive letter of a USB flash drive? I can't find a reference to it anywhere. In Ubuntu I can but not in xubuntu
[01:37] <AlanBShepard70> by drive letter I mean path.... It's /media/sd??? something right?
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> AlanBShepard70: It will likely mount as /media/$LABEL, if it has one.  The device is /dev/sd??
[01:44] <jjmiv> ah, i think i might just have to reconfigure xserver
[01:44] <jjmiv> hm
[01:44] <keb> anyone know how to get rid of the annoying DHCPDISCOVER messages in the logs
[01:46] <keb> my system us trying to find an ip for eth1 but i unplugged that usb ethernet device days ago
[01:46] <keb> *is
[01:55] <AlanBShepard70> tonyyarusso: thanks but someone in the ubuntu-offtopic channel helped me figure it out.
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> AlanBShepard70: cool
[02:48] <SteamMachine> Hi. I'm considering switching to xubuntu from ubuntu - but I was wondering about the difference in speed (ie, is it worth it?)
[09:45] <[chr0n0s]> can anyone help using AWN with xfce (without compiz)
[09:58] <ablomen> [chr0n0s], awn depends on compiz
[09:59] <ablomen> so youll have to install compiz and run it before you can use awn
[09:59] <[chr0n0s]> ablomen, xfwm4 includes its own compositing manager, which takes advantage of the new X.org's server extensions. The compositor is like a WM on its own, it manages a stack of all windows, monitor all kinds on X event and reacts accordingly. Having the compositing manager embedded in the window manager also helps keeping the various visual effects in sync with window events. If you want to use the compositor, you have to build xfwm4 using the --enable-
[09:59] <[chr0n0s]> compositor configure option. In any case, you can disable the compositor on xfwm4 startup using the '--compositor=off' argument.
[10:00] <ablomen> i know it has a compositing manager, but afaik awn cant use it
[10:01] <qwerkus> Hello: still nothing new about a way to fix the broken frambuffer console under Gutsy ?
[10:13] <tonyyarusso> qwerkus: nope :(
[10:16] <qwerkus> mist
[10:16] <qwerkus> will try again next week ...
[10:38] <MatBoy> ablomen, awn is not nice ;)
[10:52] <MatBoy> mhh, the krdc full screen issue is not solved yet
[10:53] <MatBoy> should it be a krdc or a xfce problem ?
[11:35] <Mark76> Has anyone seen this? http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/45837-1.jpg
[11:36] <totalwormface> i didn't
[11:37] <Mark76> Looks good, eh?
[11:38] <totalwormface> it's everything i wanted to kick out of my theme, i like square :P
[11:38] <totalwormface> but it looks good :D
[11:39] <Mark76> It does
[11:39] <totalwormface> i wish i did
[11:39] <totalwormface> time to wash my face
[11:40] <Mark76> You know when you want to add a submenu launcher to the panel, where do you find the cmds?
[11:43] <Mark76> I've looked in usr/bin and they aren't there
[11:58] <Mark76> Anyone?
[12:07] <Mark76> :(
[12:14] <Pumpernickel> If the command you're looking for isn't in /usr/bin, then it's somewhere else.
[12:14] <Pumpernickel> Not everything is lumped together in /usr/bin.
[12:16] <Mark76> I figured that
[12:16] <Mark76> I just can't work out where else
[12:18] <TheSheep> Mark76: what command?
[12:18] <Mark76> I want to add some sub menus to the panel
[12:18] <Mark76> Network and games to start with
[12:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: well, just create multiple entries in th launcher
[12:19] <Mark76> You can't add entire sub menus?
[12:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: no, use the 'xfce menu' plugin for that
[12:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: with a different menu file than the system menu
[12:20] <Mark76> xfce menu plugin?
[12:20] <TheSheep> Mark76: at the bottom of panel plugins list
[12:21] <Mark76> Ah
[12:21] <Mark76> I've not been down that far before
[12:22] <TheSheep> _^_
[12:22] <Mark76> Hmm. I still have to edit it
[12:22] <TheSheep> but you don't need the system menu this time
[12:23] <Mark76> Okay, so I want the network menu to pop up.  Do I just replace menu.xml with network.xml?
[12:25] <TheSheep> no, I'm afraid you'd have to recreate it
[12:25] <Mark76> :(
[12:33] <Mark76> There's no option to add help to the panel?
[12:33] <Mark76> That's a bit of an oversight
[12:35] <TheSheep> Mark76: you mean like clippy?
[12:35] <Mark76> NO, I mean like HELP"
[12:36] <TheSheep> we could have a desktop background with a nice and friendly "Don't panic!" :)
[12:37] <Mark76> I'm surprised there isn't already
[12:37] <Mark76> We need more Sci fi themed wallpapers
[12:37] <keb> make some :D
[12:38] <TheSheep> Mark76: and there *is* help in the menu by default
[12:38] <TheSheep> Mark76: and it shows when you press F1
[12:39] <Mark76> I found a way to edit the sub menus
[12:39] <Mark76> Make sure main menu is in settings
[12:51] <Mark76> I'll leave the wallpaper making to the pros, Keb
[12:52] <keb> some of the best wallpapers are amateur
[12:54] <octoberdan> When I start xfce, n+1 nm-applet instances start up. n equaling the number of instances last time I started up
[12:54] <octoberdan> Currently 8...
[12:55] <octoberdan> I isually just "killall nm-applet" and start a new one so there's only one
[12:55] <octoberdan> Could that be related?
[12:57] <Mark76> That happened to some one else
[12:58] <octoberdan> Found the solution I think
[12:58] <octoberdan> http://www.nabble.com/Multiple-Instances-of-nm-applet-t4114321.html
[12:59] <octoberdan> Thank you. killing off the session files with only one instance of
[12:59] <octoberdan> 'nm-applet --sm-disable &' running seems to have done the trick.  Should we want to?
[13:23] <nikolam> When I try to install inside wemu, there is error in recognising CD drive (even it boot from virtual cd in wemu?
[13:24] <nikolam> To test.
[13:24] <Mark76> What is it?
[13:24] <nikolam> To make virtual server, whatever
[13:24] <nikolam> It is Virtualisation software You can install many OS-es unaware they are running inside virtual machine, up to near rel speed
[13:25] <Mark76> Ah
[13:25] <Mark76> Sounds cool
[13:25] <nikolam> Vmware, qemu, xen
[13:25] <Mark76> Coes it have any practical applications in a desktop environment?
[13:25] <nikolam> qemu can even emulate other architectires (risc, power pc etc)
[13:25] <Mark76> Does
[13:26] <nikolam> Yes, I can Run 5-6  VM oses : XP, Windows, bsd, multiple linuxes and make network of them hhe
[13:26] <nikolam> I personally want to make VM inside my machine to act like firewall and proxy for my dsl line
[13:27] <nikolam> Ad every connection goes to Vm from machine and to the world.
[13:27] <nikolam> if you have large amount of RAM and multi core cpu, you can make a whole datacenter inside one machine :)
[13:28] <Mark76> Sorry about that
[13:29] <Mark76> What were you saying Nikolam?
[13:29] <nikolam> I personally want to make VM inside my machine to act like firewall and proxy for my dsl line
[13:29] <nikolam>  Ad every connection goes to Vm from machine and to the world.
[13:29] <nikolam>  if you have large amount of RAM and multi core cpu, you can make a whole datacenter inside one machine :)
[13:30] <nikolam> and it is great for testing and using software for windblows, per instance
[13:31] <nikolam> I were using vmware on xp for linux , Now I Use linux and I will use xp inside Vm :)
[13:32] <Mark76> That sounds interesting
[13:33] <Mark76> I have a friend I'm trying to cajole into going Linux, but she can't play her games on it
[13:34] <nikolam> One can try using CEDEGA on linux
[13:34] <Mark76> That costs money, doesn't it?
[13:34] <nikolam> It is extended version of wine
[13:34] <nikolam> Yes
[13:34] <nikolam> You can hack it
[13:34] <Mark76> She already has XP installed
[13:34] <nikolam> But I think it is worth to pay for it
[13:35] <nikolam> Depends if you are paying for games or not
[13:35] <nikolam> xp is for games, anyway :)
[13:36] <Mark76> She has about 2 gigs left on her hard drive
[13:36] <nikolam> I would like to make people using windblows to actually PAY for all software they are using..  They would be switching to Linux, Instantaneous :))
[13:36] <nikolam> 2 gig is not much
[13:36] <Mark76> Don't they do that already?
[13:37] <nikolam> Ask them ? :)
[13:37] <Mark76> Yeah, it's not. But I'm wondering how much can be stripped out of XP without affecting performance too much
[13:37] <nikolam> if you think about switching, I surely hope so :)
[13:38] <Mark76> She might have a lot of 3rd party apps for security that could be dumped if she used Linux for surfing and email
[13:38] <nikolam> Hard drive space have not direct affect on performance
[13:38] <nikolam> I use 1. Firestarter 2. Nothing else on linux :)
[13:39] <nikolam> Firestarter set firewall and exits anyway (~100kb) :)
[13:39] <Mark76> Well, no, but it does affect how much of ubuntu you can install
[13:39] <nikolam> Minimum is a big more then 2GB
[13:39] <Mark76> Do you use Firestarter on your desktop?
[13:39] <nikolam> But if you have 2GB free on Xp partition, you need to free a little bit more
[13:39] <Mark76> I think you can get away with 1.5 gigs for Xubuntu, Nik
[13:40] <Mark76> But that'd only leave 500 megs
[13:40] <nikolam> Beacouse when you make partition for ubuntu, there on xp must be some space left free
[13:41] <Mark76> You think the XP partition could be reduced?
[13:41] <nikolam> 1. free about 4 gigs on XP partiton 2. use partition magic or so to make Xp partition 3 gigs smaller  3. Make 2,5Gigi ubuntu partition 4. Make 0.5Gig swap partition 5. Install Xubuntu  :)
[13:42] <nikolam> use ext3 for partition type for linux
[13:42] <nikolam> And linux swap for linux swap partition
[13:42] <nikolam> After that you could dual-boot xp and xubuntu
[13:42] <Mark76> Sounds complex
[13:43] <Mark76> I suspect she doesn't even have a partitoner
[13:43] <nikolam> sound easy if you use partition magic and free some space and defragment xp partition before using partition magic
[13:43] <nikolam> Well, you can try Boot CD with Gparted tool on it
[13:44] <nikolam> Just a sec
[13:44] <Mark76> She doesn't have a working CD player
[13:44] <nikolam> But I thin she should use partition magic (get it from torrents somewhere)
[13:44] <Mark76> So we'll be using UNetbootin
[13:44] <nikolam> Does she`s computer have floppy or does she can boot from USB?
[13:45] <Mark76> I don't think she has floppies either
[13:45] <Mark76> But UNetbootin is good
[13:45] <Mark76> It has a partitioner
[13:45] <nikolam> Maybe she could backup data somewhere and use full install or second HDD for linux?
[13:46] <nikolam> I don`t know what is UNetbooti
[13:46] <Mark76> Maybe
[13:46] <nikolam> Linux use GRUB for boot
[13:46] <Mark76> You don't know UNetbootin?
[13:46] <Mark76> Hang on then
[13:46] <nikolam> And gparted for partitioning
[13:47] <Mark76> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/05/unetbootin-create-a-dual-boot-windows-linux-pc-without-a-cd/
[13:47] <nikolam> Look ad the Gparted Live CD:
[13:48] <nikolam> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[13:48] <nikolam> There is also Live USB http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php
[13:49] <nikolam> but Anyway, be SHURE to backup All importand Data Before any partitioning?
[13:49] <Mark76> Indeed
[13:50] <nikolam> i will look to unetbootin.. I am looking to add solaris and macosX on top of two windoses and software raid1 dual linux setup :)
[13:52] <Mark76> Sounds like fun
[13:52] <nikolam> hah :) And it was automaticly recognized both windowses.
[13:52] <maxamillion> nikolam: solaris 10 or an opensolaris distro?
[13:53] <nikolam> I am thinking on opensolaris, But I think I will wait a bit, until they put it on GPL3 Licence :)
[13:54] <nikolam> I know it uses partition 4 on HD for install.. so far
[13:54] <nikolam> But I am quite happy with My Xubuntu 64-bit, anyway
[13:55] <maxamillion> nikolam: last time i checked it was dual licensed gplv3 and cddl
[13:55] <nikolam> I am looking to use virtualisation so i can use testing and bug reporting for xubuntu
[13:55] <maxamillion> but i could be wrong :/
[13:55] <nikolam> opensolaris??? I think ist only ccdl..
[13:56] <nikolam> They are Saying .. Maybe GPL3 in some time
[13:56] <nikolam> When that happen, We will have TWo GPL open source platforms :)
[13:58] <Mark76> How do you resize a partition, anyway?
[13:58] <Mark76> Or create a new one?
[13:59] <nikolam> 1.Free some space on disk 2. Defragment disk 3. Install and start partitn magic
[13:59] <Mark76> Right
[13:59] <nikolam> You can just shrink it with PM and let Xubuntu use free space.
[14:00] <Mark76> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=198821
[14:00] <nikolam> if its blank new disk, xubuntu install precedure can partition it or you can do it manually durin install after booting from cd
[14:00] <Mark76> You can download partition magic from Sourceforge!
[14:02] <Mark76> But I'm downloading Mandriva first :)
[14:03] <predaeus> This does not seem like it is Partition Magic.
[14:03] <nikolam> It is not the same thing..
[14:03] <nikolam> Partition magic is commercial software..
[14:03] <Mark76> Oh well
[14:03] <nikolam> For PM try on torrents and get it
[14:03] <Mark76> I'm sure it'll do just as good a job
[14:04] <nikolam> If you want , delete it after use :)
[14:04] <nikolam> Or just try that gParted CD..
[14:04] <nikolam> It is free
[14:04] <Mark76> I don't have a GParted CD
[14:04] <nikolam> Get it from the link i gave you
[14:26] <baty> ppl need help, how can i change the video drivers in text mode?
[14:31] <TheSheep> baty: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:03] <witozzo> hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my external hard drive: I have the permission to read and write on it, but when I try to create a new file or erase something I get "Read-Only file system"
[16:15] <mindframe-> it's probably mounted read-only
[16:15] <mindframe-> what fs is it using?
[16:15] <mindframe-> witozzo,
[16:15] <witozzo> fat32
[16:16] <mindframe-> type mount and paste what it says for that device
[16:16] <witozzo> but the point is that when I check the permission, I have "drwx------", so basically I should be able to write...
[16:16] <mindframe-> not necessarily
[16:17] <witozzo> ok, thanks
[16:17] <mindframe-> you need to mount the device with rw and not ro
[16:18] <witozzo> /dev/sda1 on /media/BACKUP DOC type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)
[16:18] <witozzo> so, it is "rw"...
[16:28] <witozzo> could it be that the problem is the gid not defined?
[16:29] <TheSheep> witozzo: who's the woner?
[16:29] <TheSheep> owner?
[16:30] <witozzo> I'm the owner
[16:52] <IR1> hi
[16:52] <IR1> i've got a problem, i would like to install xUbuntu on my xbox, but idon't know if i have to modify my xbox before
[16:53] <IR1> i'm french so excuse my english
[16:53] <clientuser> ton anglais est parfait
[16:54] <IR1> merci :)
[16:54] <clientuser> mais pourquoit tu veux mettre xubuntu sur un xbox?
[16:54] <IR1> pour avoir un pc de récuperation et surtout parce que j'ai vu qu'il existait une version de xubuntu compatible i386 xbox
[16:57] <IR1> because i've seen that a version of xebuntu was compatible with the xbox
[16:57] <clientuser> hm je ne sais pas, tu pourrait essayer #ubuntu, c'est plus active
[16:57] <IR1> i'm coming from their channel
[16:57] <IR1> thay wereb't able ti help me
[16:57] <TheSheep> how about askig on #xbox?
[16:58] <IR1> the official channel?
[16:58] <clientuser> I don't think it's official
[16:58] <TheSheep> no, I don't think Microsoft would have an official channel on Freenode :)
[16:58] <IR1> they won't appreciate that i modify their product no?
[16:58] <clientuser>  :p
[16:58] <IR1> ow sorry ^
[16:58] <IR1> ^
[16:58] <clientuser> freenode= opensource severs
[16:58] <IR1> okay
[16:58] <IR1> i'll try
[16:58] <IR1> thank's
[16:59] <TheSheep> IR1: I'm sure 100% of #xbox population has their xboxen modified :)
[16:59] <IR1> oo rly?
[16:59] <IR1> =D
[16:59] <clientuser> noo, 98%
[16:59] <TheSheep> .9
[16:59] <clientuser> The 2% left still have to learn how to modify it
[17:00] <IR1> =]
[17:00] <IR1> they are only 5 on this channel
[17:00] <IR1> (4 without me)
[17:01] <clientuser> wait 5/ 100 is...
[17:02] <evil_tech> 1 20th
[17:02] <clientuser> err exactly
[17:02] <clientuser> math ~grr
[17:03] <evil_tech> :)
[17:03] <clientuser> evil_tech and TheSheep, are you always online?
[17:03] <evil_tech> not on weekends
[17:04] <evil_tech> im only on at work
[17:04] <evil_tech> sometimes when im at school
[17:09] <clientuser> that's what they all say
[17:11] <TheSheep> clientuser: yes, why?
[17:12] <clientuser> TheSheep: just wondering :)
[17:14] <witozzo> ok, at the end I found a solution: added
[17:14] <witozzo> /dev/sda       /media/iomegaHD vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,rw,user 0    0
[17:14] <witozzo> to fstab, now it's working properly, so it was the missing 'gid'...
[17:16] <TheSheep> witozzo: that's why I asked about owner :)
[17:17] <TheSheep> witozzo: should have asked about group too
[17:17] <witozzo> eheh, that's ok now
[17:17] <witozzo> thanks anyway for your help! ;)
[17:59] <clientuser> hm..
[18:02] <clientuser> #internet
[18:25] <grazie> maxamillion: ping
[18:29] <maxamillion> grazie: pong
[18:31] <grazie> hey maxamillion ...time for a chat?
[18:31] <maxamillion> grazie: uhmm... kinda, what's up?
[18:32] <grazie> maxamillion: nothing...just surprised when you send you weren't running xubuntu any before (the other day)
[18:33] <maxamillion> grazie: oh, yeah ... i actually haven't been running xubuntu for quite some time .... ubuntu kept releasing updates that made my machines no longer boot and i don't have time to chase down fixes, so i switched back to debian
[18:34] <grazie> maxamillion: I see..updates can be a real curse
[18:44] <maxamillion> grazie: but the problem is that in the 7 years i have run debian i have never had a single update break *anything*
[18:44]  * maxamillion knocks on wood
[18:50] <grazie> maxamillion: sorry....multi tasking...very slowly. Yeah Debian stability is not famous without good reason
[18:53] <grazie> maxamillion: just got a new machine myself and Gutsy has been brilliant in supporting new hardware. Others distros have failed miserably
[19:09] <tuna-fish> so, I just installed xubuntu gutsy, and the restricted drivers manager crashes when I try to run it.
[19:09] <tuna-fish> any advice?
[19:10] <tuna-fish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42600/
[19:16] <maxamillion> grazie: well, i am actually running debian testing on my laptop ... it runs all the same versions of software that gutsy does and i've had stellar stability there as well ... it even has the 2.6.22 kernel (and rumors of 2.6.23 moving to it within the next month have been floating around)
[19:32] <grazie> maxamillion: oh I thought Debian was always a bit behind even on the utlra dev branch (or whatever it's really called)
[19:35] <maxamillion> grazie: sid? (also known as unstable) is actually always ahead of ubuntu
[19:38] <grazie> maxamillion: thanks for that...my debian knowledge is v.limited
[19:43] <maxamillion> grazie: well next time i get some free time i will fill you in ++ :)
[19:44] <maxamillion> grazie: well, i gotta run ... ttyl
[19:46] <evil_tech> #fluxbuntu
[20:05] <evil_tech> how do you get pidgin to automatically join channels
[21:09] <namegone> is there a way to make custom keyboard layouts in xubuntu?
[21:55] <hyper___ch> hiho
[22:00] <tsubasaleguedin> xubuntu+xfce compositor+awn+jukebox3d+exaile
[22:00] <tsubasaleguedin> http://hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=8oyxvwf7.jpg
[22:38] <evil_tech> guten morgen herr mark76
[22:38] <Mark76> Hey Evil
[22:38] <Mark76> How's it hanging?
[22:38] <evil_tech> coldly against my leg
[22:39] <evil_tech> heater apparently isnt working
[22:39] <Mark76> That's what happens when you store dead trout in your trousers
[22:39] <evil_tech> lol
[22:39] <Mark76> I tried to install Mandriva 2008 earlier
[22:39] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[22:40] <Mark76> And I learned something
[22:40] <evil_tech> whats that
[22:40] <evil_tech> ?
[22:40] <Mark76> I have no idea how to set up partitions or the grub boot loader
[22:40] <evil_tech> lol
[22:41] <evil_tech> grub takes some getting used to
[22:41] <Mark76> Yeah. It asked me where I wanted to store it. Or something
[22:41] <Mark76> And I had NO idea
[22:41] <evil_tech> i understand how it works but still have no clue how to fix it when it breaks something
[22:41] <evil_tech> well usually you want it in the master boot record on your hard drive
[22:42] <Mark76> AH. Hard drive
[22:42] <Mark76> Hmm. I thought that's where I'd put it
[22:42] <evil_tech> well you can put it on other things too. that is part of the reason it asks
[22:43] <Mark76> Yeah, I might have put it in the root
[22:44] <Mark76> All I know is that when I tried to run the computer after installing it nothing happened
[22:44] <evil_tech> well it stores some of its configuration stuff there i think. actually i think it is in /boot/grub but i'm probably wrong
[22:45] <evil_tech> yeah grub is in /boot/grub
[22:45] <Mark76> Right
[22:45] <evil_tech> so what did it say exactly? ive never used mandriva so i havent a clue what the installer looks like
[22:45] <Mark76> OH well, I doubt there's very much in Mandriva that isn't already in Ubuntu
[22:46] <evil_tech> true
[22:47] <evil_tech> i'm playing with fluxbox :)
[22:47] <evil_tech> fluxbuntu rather
[22:47] <Mark76> I'm installing some games including a package that includes the Legend of Zelda!
[22:47] <evil_tech> sweet
[22:47] <Mark76> How old is that anyway?
[22:47] <evil_tech> i got FCEU working so i can play all my NES roms
[22:48] <Mark76> What's Fluxbuntu like?
[22:48] <evil_tech> nice i like the default theme. and its quick man
[22:48] <Mark76> Cool
[22:48] <evil_tech> even on this old 500mhz i have it on
[22:48] <Mark76> Fantastic :D
[22:49] <Mark76> How did you get it?
[22:49] <evil_tech> its finally available on the get page of the website
[22:49] <Mark76> Woohoo
[22:49] <Mark76> Say, do you have Windows?
[22:49] <evil_tech> yeah
[22:50] <Mark76> Can you access the sourceforge downloads page for Lubi using IE?
[22:50] <evil_tech> hmm let me check
[22:52] <Mark76> Because I was trying to get a friend of mine to download the no CD installation version of Ubuntu GG and she just couldn't connect to that page
[22:52] <evil_tech> yeah i got to it
[22:54] <Mark76> Hmm. Maybe it was her lousy dial up connection then
[22:54] <evil_tech> eeew dial up
[22:54] <Mark76> Tell me about it
[22:54] <Mark76> I'm so glad I missed out
[22:57] <evil_tech> i remember dial up
[22:57] <evil_tech> my first modem was 14.4kbps
[22:57] <evil_tech> ah them were the days
[22:58] <Mark76> Good job the net was mostly text back then
[22:59] <evil_tech> this is true
[22:59] <evil_tech> mostly irc and aol chat
[22:59] <evil_tech> some newgroups
[23:00] <Mark76> I'm looking at Adonthell
[23:00] <evil_tech> whats that
[23:00] <Mark76> I think it's an RPG
[23:00] <Mark76> There's a forest
[23:00] <Mark76> And some bird called Lady Silverhair
[23:01] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:01] <Mark76> So it's either an RPG or the gayest FPS ever
[23:01] <evil_tech> lol
[23:02] <Mark76> I wonder when the base pack of XP will come down in price?
[23:03] <evil_tech> probably never. too many people want it since Vista has so many problems
[23:03] <Mark76> Hee hee
[23:10] <Mark76> They'll have to learn to love it once MS withdraw support for XP
[23:11] <evil_tech> oh yeah thats going to be fun
[23:14] <Mark76> Oh well
[23:14] <Mark76> It's not my problem
[23:14] <evil_tech> will be mine since i have to support it
[23:14] <Mark76> Oh dear
[23:16] <Mark76> Damn, I think I need open GL
[23:18] <evil_tech> you dont have it installed?
[23:19] <Mark76> Doesn't seem like it
[23:20] <evil_tech> thought that was loaded by default
[23:21] <evil_tech> apparently not cause it doesnt seem to be on mine either
[23:22] <Mark76> I just installed the Python package
[23:22] <Mark76> I obviously need something more
[23:23] <evil_tech> does what needs it say which one it wants
[23:24] <Mark76> NO
[23:24] <Mark76> The games just fail to open
[23:26] <evil_tech> i was getting a similar error about 3d and rendering not being on with boson
[23:26] <Mark76> How did you fix it?
[23:27] <evil_tech> i didnt
[23:28] <evil_tech> couldnt figure it out cause i had compiz installed which should have enabled 3d rendering (i thought obviously thats incorrect)
[23:28] <evil_tech> that and the game kept crashing X
[23:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: run them from a terminal, then they should print you what's wrong
[23:28] <Mark76> Okay
[23:29] <evil_tech> that and they probably have log files
[23:30] <evil_tech> the boson game did
[23:30] <evil_tech> kept crashing cause i didnt have the 3d acceleration
[23:31] <Mark76> This is what I got when I tried to run billard-gl from the terminal OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0'
[23:31] <Mark76> Chromium
[23:31] <Mark76> WARNING: could not read config file (/home/mark/.chromium)
[23:31] <Mark76> WARNING: could not read score file (/home/mark/.chromium-score)
[23:31] <Mark76> randomizing.
[23:31] <Mark76> SDL initialized.
[23:31] <Mark76> Couldn't set GL mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[23:31] <Mark76> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[23:32] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[23:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:33] <Mark76> GLX is the common thread
[23:34] <Mark76> IS there a quick and easy way to install GLX?
[23:35] <evil_tech> well fluxbuntu has it installed already
[23:35] <Mark76> Something like aptitude install glx would be nice
[23:36] <evil_tech> so i would imagine xubuntu should as well?
[23:37] <Mark76> Hang on
[23:37] <evil_tech> sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx
[23:39] <Mark76> I ahve NVidia legacy glx installed
[23:39] <Mark76> And the driver activated
[23:39] <Ben_Cs> hello
[23:39] <Ben_Cs> does gutsy have samba automaically pre-configured?
[23:40] <evil_tech> dunno
[23:41] <evil_tech> not on my machine
[23:42] <evil_tech> Mark76: maybe you need the latest driver?
[23:43] <Mark76> I already have libgll-mesa-glx installed apparently
[23:43] <Mark76> Nah, I had them working yesterday
[23:43] <evil_tech> hmm its a mystery
[23:44] <Mark76> Ah, but yesterday I had the full Gnubuntu installed
[23:44] <evil_tech> is that the totally free ubuntu
[23:44] <evil_tech> ?
[23:46] <Mark76> No, it's the original Ubuntu
[23:46] <Mark76> I just decided to add the Gn(ome) on a whim
[23:46] <Mark76> This is interesting
[23:47] <Mark76> It's a 1
[23:47] <evil_tech> eh?
[23:48] <Mark76> The 3rd l in libgll is a 1
[23:48] <Mark76> And it's already installed
[23:48] <evil_tech> yeah
[23:48] <PowerGo> I am running Xubuntu live, and Xorg is using a crap ton of CPU
[23:48] <PowerGo> Will that happen once I install it ?
[23:48] <bradappel> Hi, I'm new to the channel, don't beat me up :), but I just installed Xubuntu on my laptop, and I'm having some trouble.  How/where can I look at the boot log?
[23:49] <evil_tech> no not if it is installed properly
[23:49] <PowerGo> evil_tech: that was my answer or someone else ?
[23:49] <evil_tech> yours
[23:49] <Mark76> I'd expect the boot log to be under boot in the file system
[23:50] <bradappel> Ubuntu was working fine the other day, I decided to install Xubuntu, and now that I've installed the wireless drivers, it refuses to come up with X
[23:50] <dgimse> hi I was wondering how i would go about changing my menu.lst doc in 7.10?
[23:50] <Mark76> At least that would seem like the logical place
[23:50] <PowerGo> OK.  Another thing is , Ubuntu wouldn't run worth a damn , will this provide a more smoother system ?
[23:50] <PowerGo> I am on an older computer.
[23:50] <evil_tech> what are the specs of the machine powergo
[23:51] <evil_tech> that or check /var/log
[23:51] <PowerGo> p2 450, 320 MBs of SDRAM, 10 GB hd internal, VooDoo3 3dfx 8 MB AGP
[23:51] <Mark76> There's a bootlog in var/log
[23:52] <grommithockey> /clear/clear
[23:52] <evil_tech> well in mine there is a file called boot in /var/log. nothing in it though
[23:52] <Mark76> Same here
[23:52] <bradappel> that's a directory
[23:52] <PowerGo> evil_tech: Will that be enough , or will it run slower and WindowsXP on crack like Ubuntu ?
[23:52] <evil_tech> powergo: that should run xubuntu fine
[23:52] <PowerGo> slower than WindowsXP*
[23:52] <bradappel> checking /var/log/dmesg now to see if it gives a clue
[23:53] <evil_tech> if not id check to see if the hard drive is giving up the ghost
[23:53] <PowerGo> evil_tech: For some reason Ubuntu/Gnome ran worse than XP with fading.
[23:54] <evil_tech> for anything under 700mhz xubuntu runs better
[23:54] <Mark76> YEah
[23:54] <evil_tech> or if you really want you can try the new fluxbuntu
[23:54] <Mark76> I have 833 giHz and I still prefer Xubuntu
[23:54] <PowerGo> evil_tech: Last I checked, they didn't have it ready , just the RC
[23:54] <Mark76> I just tried to aptitude install fluxbuntu, Evil
[23:55] <Mark76> No dice
[23:55] <evil_tech> its fluxbuntu-desktop
[23:55] <Aviatrixie> hello  :)
[23:55] <evil_tech> powergo: just cause it is a release candidate doesnt mean it isnt usable
[23:55] <Mark76> Yeah, that's what I typed
[23:55] <Mark76> Nothing came
[23:56] <PowerGo> evil_tech: If it looks anything like KDE, I will want to smash it.
[23:56] <evil_tech> besides the more people who try it and report bugs the better the final will be
[23:56] <evil_tech> no it looks like DSL
[23:56] <evil_tech> not as crowded and green instead of the dark theme
[23:57] <evil_tech> Mark76: i dunno why its not there should be.
[23:57] <PowerGo> There's always been something about KDE that made me go "bluhh.."
[23:57] <Mark76> I'll try again
[23:57] <PowerGo> evil_tech: Yes, but I have limited bandwidth usage per day, besides 2-5 AM
[23:57] <PowerGo> I don't want to download something that I know I'm going to have to redo
[23:58] <evil_tech> download DSL then and give it a try. its only 50mb
[23:58] <Mark76> E: Couldn't find package fluxbuntu-desktop
[23:58] <PowerGo> DSL?  You can't install Fluxbuntu from the command line yet
[23:59] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:59] <PowerGo> Nothing big to do to get it to actually work
[23:59] <evil_tech> let me check my sources.list
[23:59] <Aviatrixie> puppy is good too, but not debian... tho they just adoted slack


[01:50] <davecheney> niemeyer_: i'm actively responding to rog's comments on the stop/start machine CL
[01:51] <davecheney> and will have another proposal by the end of the day
[01:51] <davecheney> i'll remove it from review
[01:51] <niemeyer_> davecheney: Cool, I was just skimming over it actually
[01:51] <davecheney> it'll be 10-15% smaller by the end of the day
[01:51] <niemeyer_> davecheney: Sounds good.. I'd like to have a look at it with a fresher brain tomorrow as well, so that will suit well
[01:52] <davecheney> cool
[01:52] <niemeyer_> davecheney: Oh, that's nice
[01:56] <davecheney> niemeyer_: related question: do you know what the status of our hp cloud access is
[01:57] <davecheney> ie, can we just use it, or is there something left to do ?
[02:12] <niemeyer_> I have not heard, but I can check in the morning
[02:13] <davecheney> niemeyer_: thanks
[06:56] <Aram> morning.
[07:00]  * davecheney goes back to fighting juju test
[07:23] <rogpeppe> Aram, davecheney, fwereade_: hiya
[07:23] <fwereade_> heyhey
[07:23] <Aram> moin
[07:23] <davecheney> evening lads
[07:23] <davecheney> i'm just on my way out
[07:23] <davecheney> have a nice evening
[07:23] <rogpeppe> davecheney: what are doing to poor jujutest; she never wanted to fight anyone :-)
[07:23] <rogpeppe> s/doing/you doing/
[07:24] <rogpeppe> davecheney: ok, have a good one
[09:12] <fwereade> rogpeppe, can I ask a favour please? I'm off today, and the rework-stop-watchers branch is still not submitting cleanly; if you would merge it for me I would be most grateful
[09:13] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I can worry about why I can't submit anything else later ;)
[09:13] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i will try, np
[09:13] <fwereade> rogpeppe, tyvm
[10:19] <niemeyer> Good morning
[10:21] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: hiya
[10:22] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i'm wondering what your feeling on
[10:22] <rogpeppe> cannot create new
[10:22] <rogpeppe> machine node
[10:22] <rogpeppe> oops
[10:22] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i'm wondering what your feelings on assign-subordinate-units are now
[10:24] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: although i think bcsaller's criticism is somewhat misfounded (the change is always made properly within a retryChange transaction), i'm still inclined to drop the change and make Machine.Units (perhaps renamed) return principal units only
[10:26] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: The data fiddling seems to be unnecessary
[10:26] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: that's what i'm thinking
[10:26] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: And it's nice to avoid depending on atomic behavior, even if we can
[10:26] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: (if i understand what you mean by data fiddling here)
[10:27] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: that too.
[10:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: The Units API still looks nice, though
[10:27] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i'm happy if we document that Machine.Units returns principal units only
[10:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: That sounds bad
[10:28] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: oh
[10:28] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Have you seen the comment in the review?
[10:30] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: so your suggestion, i think, is that topology.UnitsForMachine should do a search for subordinate units too, rather than just looking a topoUnit.Machine?
[10:31] <rogpeppe> s/a topo/at topo/
[10:31] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Right, it's the same loop..
[10:31] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: no, i think it needs to be an inner loop. it's n^2 but probably not bad in practice.
[10:32] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: that is, for each unit we find with the given machine, we have to scan all other units to see if any has that unit as its principal.
[10:32] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Only if we do it badly
[10:33] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: right, we could do two linear loops, building up a map in the first one, i suppose
[10:33] <niemeyer> Yep
[10:34] <rogpeppe> still not quite "the same loop" but, yeah, that would work ok.
[10:35] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: and i have to check if we always know if a unit is principal when we create a *Unit.
[10:35] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: It can actually be done in the same loop, but it doesn't matter.
[10:36] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: The Principal is a setting next to the Machine
[10:36] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i don't *think* so, because when we get to a subordinate before its principal, we don't know whether to keep it around or not.
[10:36] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I'm going to argue.. it doesn't matter..
[10:36] <niemeyer> I'm not going to argue
[10:38] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i'd like to do it in the same loop, which is why i'm asking. i don't mind much though.
[10:39] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ok, i'll go with that, thanks.
[10:39] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i don't think the tests need to change, which is nice.
[10:39] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I'm more concerned that it looks nice.. it doesn't have to be in the same loop
[10:40] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: The tests need to ensure subordinate units are returned, because clearly they don't right now
[10:40] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: that CL made it do so, and tested for that
[10:41] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: but i think Unit.MachineId should look up the principal unit when necessary. that's new.
[10:42] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Yeah, indeed
[10:44] <Aram> hi niemeyer
[10:45] <niemeyer> Aram: Heya
[10:45] <rogpeppe> mramm: hiya
[10:45] <mramm> rogpeppe: hi
[11:30] <TheMue> Lunchtime
[11:31]  * rogpeppe *hates* the fact that ^W deletes a tab in Chrome. And that it loses the contents of any text entry box in doing so.
[11:31] <TheMue> niemeyer: https://codereview.appspot.com/6296064 is just in again. Looks better, definitely. Thx for that great idea.
[11:31] <Aram> rogpeppe: I hate that ^W is so close to ^Q.
[11:32] <rogpeppe> Aram: i'd switch off all menu shortcuts if i could (i don't count ^X, ^C and ^V)
[12:16] <niemeyer> TheMue: Heya, no problem
[12:18] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: clean up data", but that's not the only thing that zkRemoveTree is used
[12:18] <niemeyer> for - removing a service is not really "cleaning up data").
[12:18] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I'm not following..
[12:18] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: That's exactly what zkRemoveTree is doing in that context
[12:20] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Ah, I think I see what you mean
[12:25] <TheMue> rogpeppe: zkRemoveTree() only adds this, but it's called in methods adding more context.
[12:25] <TheMue> rogpeppe: So you've got "can't remove server: can't clean up data: ...".
[12:26] <TheMue> rogpeppe: The context of where zkRemoveTree() is called has to be added by the caller.
[12:30] <TheMue> Ooops, 'can't remove service "foo": can't clean up data: <<some error during zk.Delete()>>'
[12:31] <TheMue> So it looks like.
[12:33] <niemeyer> TheMue: That was his point too
[12:41] <niemeyer> Heading off for doc appointment
[12:41] <niemeyer> TheMue: You have a review on this issue
[12:41] <TheMue> niemeyer: Yes, I've seen and started the changes.
[12:55] <TheMue> niemeyer: Is back in again.
[12:58]  * TheMue really likes errorContext(). It later easily can be extended.
[13:47] <niemeyer> TheMue: Thanks, checking again
[14:01] <TheMue> rogpeppe: Does the current errorContext() doesn't work with govet? My editor uses govet live (at least I thought so) and it doesn't complain.
[14:02] <rogpeppe> TheMue: in a meeting, back in a short while
[14:05] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ok, have a phone call, so np
[14:07] <niemeyer> TheMue: Another review in
[14:08] <niemeyer> TheMue: The point of rog's comment is that he suggests go vet would actually catch mistakes with his proposed implementation. I'm not sure about that myself, and would like to see it happening before changing the function to something uglier.
[14:39] <niemeyer> Is fwereade off today?
[14:39] <TheMue> niemeyer: reasonable
[14:39] <TheMue> niemeyer: Yes, he's off today.
[14:40]  * TheMue has a hot ear from phoning a bit longer.
[14:40] <niemeyer> There are two branches with similar names and similar descriptions, pushed around the same time
[14:41] <TheMue> niemeyer: fwereade asked rogpeppe this morning regarding rework-stop-watchers
[14:42] <niemeyer> TheMue: Oh?
[14:43] <TheMue> niemeyer: It's not submitting cleanly and so he asked rog to merge it.
[14:43] <niemeyer> TheMue: The branch is up for review
[14:44] <niemeyer> Oh, but it's a copy of a third branch?
[14:44] <niemeyer> Ugh.. messy
[14:44] <TheMue> niemeyer: I think rog can tell you more about it.
[14:46] <niemeyer> It seems to be the same branch that was already reviewed
[14:46] <niemeyer> It just sucks that there are two merge proposals up without any hints about what's going on
[14:48] <niemeyer> I'll pick the newest one and attempt to merge it
[14:58] <TheMue> niemeyer: Next propose is in.
[15:02]  * rogpeppe is out of the meeting
[15:02] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: william wasn't able to submit the branch
[15:03] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: he was getting "readonly transport" errors
[15:03] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Okay, it's in now.. hopefully I got the intention properly
[15:03] <niemeyer> TheMue: Review is in
[15:03] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: the point about the go vet stuff is that i think it's asking for trouble to have a function that takes a printf-like format string and deliberately miss the last argument.
[15:04] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: and in fact i think the signature is slightly nicer - every single call would end in ": %v" AFAICS
[15:04] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: so we can lose that
[15:05] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: How's go vet related to that?
[15:05] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: go vet can check printf-like format strings
[15:05] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I'm happy to have the ": %s" added automatically.. that point wasn't clear from your comment
[15:05] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Have you managed to make go vet work with that function?
[15:05] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yes
[15:06] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Can you please paste an example that fails
[15:06] <niemeyer> TheMue: Please hold off merging for a moment
[15:06] <TheMue> niemeyer: Yes, I'm following here.
[15:06] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: actually i lie. i managed to make go tool vet work with that function.
[15:06] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Same thing.. can you please paste an example of go vet complaining?
[15:08] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1039204/
[15:10] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Ah, you're calling vet manually with explicit parameters
[15:10] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yes, you need to tell govet about custom functions.
[15:10] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: but it can still do the check
[15:10] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Ok, sounds good
[15:11] <niemeyer> TheMue: That sounds good to me.. what do you think?
[15:12] <TheMue> niemeyer: Yes, so I'll change it from append()... to +. Also adopt it in the error strings.
[15:13] <niemeyer> TheMue, rogpeppe: Awesome, thanks
[15:13] <rogpeppe> TheMue: thanks
[15:13] <rogpeppe> TheMue: and note that the function name needs to end in "f"
[15:13] <TheMue> niemeyer: I'll also change the name.
[15:13] <TheMue> rogpeppe: Yes. ;)
[15:22] <TheMue> niemeyer: Tests are green with latest trunk. Directly submit it or do you want to have a final look?
[15:29] <niemeyer> TheMue: If it's all as agreed, +1 on submitting
[15:30] <TheMue> niemeyer: OK, here it comes.
[15:30] <niemeyer> TheMue: Woohoo :)
[15:33] <TheMue> niemeyer: Hmm, not yet. Have a "Cannot lock LockDir" during submit. Any idea what I'm missing?
[15:34] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i think that's the same error fwereade was getting
[15:34] <rogpeppe> TheMue: does it say "readonly transport" ?
[15:35] <TheMue> rogpeppe: Exactly!
[15:35] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: have you tried submitting fwereade's branch? i wonder if you'll get the same problem.
[15:40] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: As I mentioned, it's already in
[15:41] <niemeyer> Hopefully I got the proper end of it
[15:41] <niemeyer> I wonder if I screwed up the setpu somehow
[15:41] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ah, i haven't seen a submit message yet.
[15:42] <niemeyer> There won't be one, but I added a note
[15:42] <niemeyer> And mentioned above too
[15:43] <niemeyer> TheMue: What's bzr info telling you?
[15:44] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ah, i didn't see anything that said you'd actually submitted anything. my clients probably missed the message somehow.
[15:44] <niemeyer> Jun 13 12:03:00 <rogpeppe>      niemeyer: he was getting "readonly transport" errors
[15:44] <niemeyer> Jun 13 12:03:25 <niemeyer>      rogpeppe: Okay, it's in now.. hopefully I got the intention properly
[15:45] <TheMue> niemeyer: It's a standalone tree format 2a, push branch is  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~themue/juju-core/go-state-second-error-improvement/.
[15:46] <TheMue> niemeyer: Branch root is .
[15:46] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ah, i didn't realise that's what you were talking about :-)
[15:46] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Heh
[15:46] <TheMue> niemeyer: Parent is ...../trunk
[15:46] <niemeyer> TheMue: Hmm
[15:49] <niemeyer> Somehow it's picking up a branch for merging onto that you don't have access to
[15:49] <niemeyer> Which makes little sense to me
[15:50] <niemeyer> Oh, it's making more sense now
[15:50] <niemeyer> Crap
[15:50] <niemeyer> I've pushed as gophers rather than ~juju
[15:51] <niemeyer> TheMue: Please try to submit now
[15:52] <TheMue> niemeyer: Yeah, great, thx!
[15:53] <TheMue> niemeyer: So I can start the next branch for unit.go.
[15:55] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: assign-subordinate-units updated as we discussed: https://codereview.appspot.com/6299073
[15:56] <TheMue> niemeyer: Ah, I'm a gopher now, see the reason. ;)
[15:59] <niemeyer> TheMue: Worked?
[16:00] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Thanks a lot man
[16:00] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I'll have a look at that as soon as I'm back from lunch
[16:00] <TheMue> niemeyer: Yes, it's in.
[16:00] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: thanks!
[16:00] <niemeyer> TheMue: Superb
[16:00] <niemeyer> rogpeppe, TheMue: So it was just me screwing over on the migration
[16:00] <TheMue> niemeyer: Thank you, I'll continue with unit.go now.
[16:00] <niemeyer> I'll fix that when I'm back too
[16:21] <rogpeppe> TheMue: you might want to review that too. and this one also: https://codereview.appspot.com/6299082
[16:25] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: i've changed https://codereview.appspot.com/6299082/ based on your feedback. i *think* the two are functionally the same, but the new version avoids the need to make changes in several places in the topology at once.
[16:25] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: thanks, I'll look at it again
[16:26] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: oops, i meant https://codereview.appspot.com/6299073/
[16:26] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: thanks a lot for the feedback BTW. it's really good to have more people familiar with the python version looking at the changes going past in the Go version.
[16:27] <bcsaller> :)
[16:56] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: can you think of a good reason why the machine agent downloads the charm for the unit agent that it starts?
[16:57] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: rather than the unit agent you mean?
[16:57] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: yeah
[16:57] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: given that the unit agent already deals with downloading charms for its subordinates
[16:57] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: I cannot, I think it should be the UA for when things are in LXC containers, but that design predates the LXC everywhere model
[16:58] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: cool, thanks.
[16:58] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: yeah, the sub stuff is new and we factored out the deployment stuff for that to be reused but did touch the orig MA use
[16:59] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: the other thing i'm thinking about is that if the machine agent crashes but the unit agents carry on, then there doesn't seem to be a way for the MA to detect that they're still around and avoid starting them again. am i missing something?
[16:59] <TheMue> rogpeppe: Review is in, sadly clicked too fast so one remark and one with comments.
[17:00] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ok, thanks a lot
[17:00] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: on restart of the MA it needs to look at the at the assigned units and their states in ZK, no?
[17:01] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: yeah, you're right. i must've missed that bit in the python code. thanks.
[17:03] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: i suppose the difficulty is that there's no real way of telling if the unit has really gone down, or just the unit agent.
[17:04] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: a real and persistent issue, yeah, knowing if the service is running apart from the agent isn't really handled, it could mean so many things
[17:05] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: and upstart *should* handle the unit agent restart. so perhaps it's right that the machine agent only checks for unit agent presence when it starts up, rather than watching it continually.
[17:06] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: I think there is nothing wrong with the idea that the MA should observe the UA presence unless we are sure there is no action it will take (due to upstart for example)
[17:07] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: but if its always a no-op then sure
[17:08] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: i'm trying to think of a case where we'd want the MA kill the UA (and its container) and restart it. because there's no way the MA can restart the unit in general without doing that.
[17:09] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: there would have to be a coordination protocol around the stop/restart/upgrade of units, kapil has been thinking about that stuff for some time now
[17:11] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: do any of those (stop/restart/upgrade) imply that the unit's container needs to be ripped down, then recreated?
[17:11] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: upgrade might for some definition of ripped down, but generally no
[17:12] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: upgrading the agent itself
[17:12] <rogpeppe> bcsaller: upgrading the agent itself is ok i think, and can be done without affecting the container
[17:13] <bcsaller> rogpeppe: agreed
[17:19] <rogpeppe> TheMue: the difference between addLoggingCharm and addDummyCharm is that addDummyCharm is used a lot, so probably justifies the charm variables stored in StateSuite (avoiding the overhead of reading the charm directory each time), but i'm not sure that addLoggingCharm does...
[17:22] <rogpeppe> TheMue: on the other hand, maybe a more general mechanism might be good. i'll think about that.
[17:22] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I can't think of a reason for tha MA to be killing the UA like that
[17:22] <Aram> gah.
[17:23] <Aram> managed to lock myself out of the apartment.
[17:23] <Aram> we have these dumb doors that lock themselves at all times.
[17:23] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: and +1 on having UAs handling their own charms
[17:23] <rogpeppe> Aram: so you're outside the door using your wi-fi?
[17:23] <Aram> rogpeppe: no, I had to wait for my girlfriend to come back.
[17:23] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: cool.
[17:23] <niemeyer> Aram: Oh, crap.. that was one of the first things I did when we moved
[17:24] <niemeyer> Aram: I mean, replacing the door handle by a reasonable one
[17:24] <Aram> heh, yeah.
[17:24] <niemeyer> If you want to lock the door from outside, you need the keys.. such a nice way to turn the issue into a non-existent problem
[17:26]  * rogpeppe has to go. happy evenings all.
[17:26] <Aram> fare thee well.
[17:27] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: if you manage to look at those two CLs (ttps://codereview.appspot.com/6299073 and https://codereview.appspot.com/6299082) that would be marvellous, thanks.
[17:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Certainly will, thanks
[17:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Have a good time there
[17:38]  * TheMue has to leave too
[19:48] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: If you have a spare moment in your evening by any chance, Dave's https://codereview.appspot.com/6307071/ is waiting for you
[20:05] <niemeyer> Okay, review queue is in good state finally.. three days to get it cleaned after holidays. Phew.
[20:05] <niemeyer> I'm having a break.. will come back later to polish some juju slides


[04:05] <wonko> Well, looks like I'm doing a fresh install of 19.10. I'm just not able to recover this upgrade.
 Hello guys, I'm trying to record some parts on Ardour, but lately I've been getting tons of xruns. Right now, the count on qjackctl status says the following: XRUN count since last server startup: 403 (5609).
 Hadn't seen the time, I'll check back on this later today.
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[09:49] <alan_g> vigo: FYI - the problem you saw with kate is a known bug with Qt apps running on Mir on qemu-kvm. (I've updated the MirAL test plan to clarify this.)
[09:56] <vigo> alan_g, that's great
[09:56] <vigo> thanks =)
[10:02] <alan_g> cjwatson: Are you able to help (again) with a simple MIR request? lp:1651384
[10:05] <sil2100> I think Colin might be off as well already
[10:11] <alan_g> thanks sil2100 - I "chose" the wrong time of year. :(
[10:16] <davmor2> alan_g: you did, you did
[10:16] <sil2100> Yeah, it's hard to get things done this week
[10:16] <davmor2> alan_g: Steve is off as well now
[10:17] <sil2100> mterry IIRC as well
[10:17] <alan_g> true
[10:20] <sil2100> alan_g: looking at the ubuntu-mir team the only person that *might* be around to help is cyphermox
[10:20] <sil2100> On the US timezone
[10:21] <alan_g> Saviq: ^ do you know?
[10:22] <Saviq> we can try when he wakes up
[10:23] <alan_g> thanks sil2100 - we'll wait for the USA
[10:55] <cjwatson> alan_g: I'm not in ~ubuntu-mir
[10:56] <cjwatson> so can't help with that
[10:56] <alan_g> cjwatson: ok, thanks
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[12:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Preparing packages
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[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components)
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Successfully built (zesty/telephony-service)
[13:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2319 Preparing packages
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Preparing packages
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[13:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2319 Pending binary packages
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Preparing packages
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Successfully built (zesty/telephony-service)
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2319 Successfully built
[14:04] <cyphermox> alan_g: sil2100: I'll review it again in a bit
[14:12] <dobey> davmor2, vigo: hi, can we get a quick pass on 2275 as it's just updates to cmake bits to be compatible with new cmake-extras changes, and some small fixes to unit tests here and there?
[14:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Failed to build
[14:20] <davmor2> dobey: we'll hit it when we can we are kinda busy with snapd, snappy etc :)
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2315 Preparing packages
[14:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Failed to build (xenial/keeper). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/keeper)
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2315 Successfully built
[15:45] <Saviq> cyphermox, great, thanks, please let me know if there's anything you'd need for the miral MIR
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Preparing packages
[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 zesty/indicator-network: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/indicator-network/lp1648360. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Preparing packages
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[16:21] <cyphermox> Saviq: done; but I can't move it to main myself, an archive admin will have to do it
[16:21] <Saviq> cyphermox, ack, sil2100 any idea if there is one around still ↑?
[16:21] <cyphermox> slangasek might be around.
[16:29] <sil2100> He's on holidays already...
[16:29] <sil2100> And I can't do it since my AA rights are only for kernel SRU usage
[16:31] <sil2100> Saviq: cjwatson answered my ping today on IRC, but I'm not sure if he just wasn't just passing through
[16:33] <cjwatson> I'm not on holiday yet
[16:33] <sil2100> \o/
[16:33] <sil2100> Colin to the rescue then!
[16:33] <sil2100> cjwatson: cyphermox approved an MIR for us https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miral/+bug/1651384
[16:33] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1651384 in miral (Ubuntu) "[MIR] miral" [Critical,Fix committed]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:34] <sil2100> cjwatson: from what he said we need an AA to do the universe -> main copy - you think you could have the time for that? Although I suppose you're still in the before-holiday rush
[16:34] <cjwatson> sil2100: done
[16:35] <sil2100> cjwatson: you're really our savior
[16:35] <sil2100> Thank you!
[16:35] <sil2100> Saviq, alan_g: ^
[16:36] <alan_g> cjwatson: cyphermox sil2100 thanks! And Merry Xmas!
[16:36] <cjwatson> and to you
[16:36] <cyphermox> happy holidays!
[16:37] <Saviq> sil2100, cjwatson, cyphermox, thank you!
[16:38] <cjwatson> Hanukkah overlaps nearly exactly this year too :)
[16:41] <cyphermox> fun :)
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Failed to build
[16:57] <Saviq> sil2100, should we finalize 2160 then? it's unhappy because of the no-change rebuilds you uploaded
[16:58] <Saviq> in theory we should wait until those migrate...
[17:00] <Saviq> oh meh, we can wait until tomorrow, maybe britney will do its thing by then
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2322 Preparing packages
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2322 Abandoning ticket
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2323 Preparing packages
[17:19] <vigo> sil2100, any news about staging/ubuntu images?
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Failed to build (xenial/indicator-network). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 QA Signoff: Approved
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Preparing packages
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Failed to build
[17:47] <dobey> huzazah
[17:48] <dobey> sil2100, cyphermox: can someone ack/publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 please?
[17:59] <sil2100> dobey: looking
[17:59] <sil2100> Wow
[18:00] <sil2100> That's a lot of packages with packaging diffs
[18:00] <sil2100> Ok, this will have to wait a minute in this case
[18:00] <dobey> sil2100: yeah, they're all to dep on cmake-extras >= 0.10.1 or such, and u-a-l maybe also has dep changes wrt gmock
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Failed to build (xenial/indicator-network). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Preparing packages
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 QA Signoff:
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2321 Successfully built
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (xenial/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[19:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[19:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/content-hub)
[19:44] <dobey> hmm
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub)
[20:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Successfully built
[20:12] <Saviq> w00t, migrated!
[20:12] <Saviq> trainguards, can someone please finalize https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 - the status is b0rked because we manually uploaded no-change rebuilds
[20:13] <robru> Saviq: looking
[20:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Merging branches
[20:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- josharenson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2320 Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8)
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2302 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-scopes-shell)
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/unity8-desktop-session). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qmenumodel, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity8, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, zesty/qmenumodel, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8)
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Failed to build (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[20:40] <Saviq> w00t, thanks robru! /me pushes the no-change rebuild to lp:qtmir
[20:44] <robru> You're welcome
[20:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Preparing packages
[20:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 zesty/unity-api: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity-api/add_suggest-override
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Failed to build (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/unity8-desktop-session). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qmenumodel, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity8, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, zesty/qmenumodel, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[21:20] <wgrant> jgdx: Hi. Assuming you were going to ask about the arm64 buildd kernel, that was deployed several hours ago. Let me know if you see any further issues.
[21:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- josharenson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2320 Preparing packages
[21:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2324 Preparing packages
[22:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- josharenson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2320 Successfully built
[22:46] <jgdx> wgrant, hey, yes. :) Thank
[22:47] <jgdx> s


[21:24] <marcoceppi> Hi everyone, I'm following the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Going_through_MOTU and have joined the channel! I have to packages, both python modules, that I've maintained over the last 6 months in a ppa that I wish to get in to universe for trusty
[21:24] <marcoceppi> I realize it's pretty late, but they're somwhat important for juju charm development so having them in trusty for the lts would be quite beneficial
[22:15] <TheMuso> marcoceppi: Ok, have a read as well of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess.
[22:16] <marcoceppi> TheMuso: cool, I'll get cracking on this process as well
[22:17] <TheMuso> marcoceppi: Great. I won't be able to do anything as a sponsor for now, until the freeze exception is granted, and that likely won't happen during my patch pilot duty time today. If it does, I'll have a look of course.
[22:18] <marcoceppi> TheMuso: so, I'll put the latest charm-tools, charmworldlib and amulet in to the ppa, file a bug for each, charmworldlib and amulet for acceptance by an MOTU, then one for charm-tools ffe? or do I need an FFE for all three?
[22:19] <TheMuso> marcoceppi: You probably need an FFE for all, since they are considered new upstream releases, but particularly for the new package since it is not in the archive yet.
[22:19] <marcoceppi> TheMuso: ack, I'll open an FFE for all three then
[22:19] <TheMuso> marcoceppi: Thank you.
[22:27] <marcoceppi> TheMuso: so,the FFE guide says I should still have a MOTU review the package
[22:27] <marcoceppi> for the two "new" packages
[22:29] <TheMuso> marcoceppi: As far as I understand things, there is no point reviewing the package unless it has been given an exception, although I haven't read the document myself in a while, so I may have it wrong.
[22:29] <marcoceppi> TheMuso: that makes sense, the doc says otherwise but I'll wait for ubuntu-release to get back to me
[22:34] <TheMuso> The way I read that, its not explicit in saying the package needs to be reviewed first, it just says to follow the new packages process.


[23:55] <soundray> benste1: you may also have to create an options.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d that contains a line with the name of your wireless driver module and 'rf_kill=0'
[23:55] <ivopacelli> no
[23:55] <ivopacelli> installl
[23:55] <coleys> some_guy: Not Possible, if your driver isn't supported as the LiveCd doesn't allow you to install anything.
[23:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some_guy: what drivers? Usually they are on cd
[23:56] <coleys> some_guy: You can use all programs which are included, but cannot install anything extra.
[23:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> coleys: you can install packages with apt and synaptic in the live system
[23:56] <some_guy> so in order to use the wireless, i'd really need to fully install?
[23:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> coleys: some_guy: no, one can install stuff but in ram and it'll go lost on reboot - AFAIR
[23:56] <benste> soundray where exactly does I have to do sth? it worked since 2006 but now with 9.04 there is a problem,
[23:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some_guy: no just try to install them
[23:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some_guy: it'll work in ram
[23:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some_guy: otherwise you can install to an usb stick
[23:57] <coleys> Le-Chuck_ITA: it's possible I havn't tried apt, Aptitude wouldn;t work.
[23:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> coleys: what did it say?
[23:57] <some_guy> cool. are there any sites that collect ubuntu drivers or will I have to go on a search-around?
[23:57] <soundray> benste: I told you exactly where
[23:57] <mk15> #Haskell
[23:57] <mercutio22> Le-Chuck_ITA> what do I do after detecting all sensors with lm-sensors?
[23:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some_guy: what card?
[23:57] <Dr_Willis> theres not a lot of drivers to collect that can be legally 'collected' :)
[23:57] <coleys> Le-Chuck_ITA: It just wouldn't allow me too, I didn't really look to far into it. (Cause I just assumed you couldn't after that point =p)
[23:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mercutio22: did you let it save the configuration?
[23:57] <phase_shift314> where can i find a good html/css/ect ide for ubuntu
[23:58] <Apaxis> some_guy: if all else fails you can usually use ndiswrapper with the appropriate windows driver of your card to get it to work
[23:58] <elementz> i have the following problem: i have a notebook with a broken keyboard and no plug for an external keyboard. now, i would like to install bsd on it. but i will at least need a console on that machine. anybody got an idea how i could do that?
[23:58] <mercutio22> Le-Chuck_ITA> Yes I did
[23:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mercutio22: run "sensors" even as an user
[23:58] <coleys> Le-Chuck_ITA: Didn't try synaptic though.
[23:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> coleys: I usually install the deb of truecrypt on the live system and it works
[23:58] <coleys> some_guy: You will want to install ubuntu once you get a tastte =p
[23:58] <soundray> elementz: no USB?
[23:58] <assem> after upgrading to 9.04, i'm noticing lots of scim-bridge error messages in my syslog.  are there any issues with scim/scim-bridge?
[23:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> coleys: also I tried upgrading the live system to test newer drivers
[23:58] <Raith> Hey I can't seem to get youtube or anything like that working
[23:58] <mercutio22> Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm, it looks cool.42.5 C
[23:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so coleys yes apt should work
[23:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mercutio22: monitor it
[23:58] <phase_shift314> can you get a virus in ubuntu?
[23:58] <elementz> soundray: maybe. hard to tell. but i don't have a usb keyboard anyways
[23:59] <Raith> any kind of video just comes up as a plain white screen. Any ideas?
[23:59] <jeanne> how do i make a terminal command be run automatically upon boot?
[23:59] <some_guy> coleys: my main problem is that the hard drive is ridiculously small (it's quite an old laptop) so i'd probably have to wipe windows off it which isn't really something I wanted to do
[23:59] <coleys> Le-Chuck_ITA: If that works, that's awesome.
[23:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there are plenty of applets or just use "watch" or make a while loop and log it
[23:59] <soundray> jeanne: add it to /etc/rc.local
[23:59] <_econn> hi all, why do I get "E: Package partimage has no installation candidate" ? I am using ubuntu 9.04 ..
[23:59] <amirman> is there any way to get shockwave on ubuntu?
[23:59] <coleys> some_guy: Windows sux anyways. =p
[23:59] <zce> Le-Chuck_ITA, i believe my disk is fine.. according to smartctl, no sectors was ever reallocated and the long scan was fine.. i also ran fsck to find bad blocks and none was found.. its a laptop disk, which is only 6 months old
[23:59] <some_guy> lol
[23:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> amiman perhaps wine
[23:59] <amirman> ah
[23:59] <genii> _econn: Did you do already: sudo apt-get update        or similar?
[23:59] <_econn> genii: yep


[09:44] <tdr112> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/1480/detail/
[09:45] <tdr112> ubuntu hour this weekend
[09:45] <tdr112> i will send out an email some point today
[09:45] <slashtommy> deadly, lunchtime
[09:45]  * slashtommy adds to his schedule
[20:07] <EnTeQuAk> hey there, we totally forgot to send a second mail to the mailinglist, (I am from the german ubuntu team that visited Dublin during New Years Eve), but hey - it was great, next time we are in Dublin we try to meet I hope ;)
[20:15] <slashtommy> hey, at least two of us are thinking of visiting Berlin for next new years eve :)
[20:16] <EnTeQuAk> slashtommy, that's bad, we were thinking of visiting london :D
[20:17] <EnTeQuAk> damn
[20:17] <slashtommy> tempted by 29c3
[20:17] <EnTeQuAk> ah, I see
[20:18] <EnTeQuAk> but if you have finished plans, just let us know, there's always a party waiting to be organized :)
[20:20] <slashtommy> so many people travelling around at new years, it's hard to arrange a meetup
[20:21] <EnTeQuAk> indeed
[21:00] <tdr112> EnTeQuAk: i was in berlin while you were over at 28c3
[21:03] <EnTeQuAk> damn
[21:04] <EnTeQuAk> we were in dublin from 30. to 01.
[21:04] <EnTeQuAk> so we could have met each other in berlin
[21:04] <EnTeQuAk> next time you give us a hint :)
[23:50] <airurando> the things I do for ubuntu-ie.
[23:50] <airurando> just spent 2 hours removing spam from the entries on the website.
[23:50] <czajkowski> airurando: :/
[23:51] <airurando> went back as far as the karmic koala release party
[23:51] <czajkowski> wow
[23:51] <airurando> spam went balistic there
[23:51] <airurando> pages of it
[23:51] <czajkowski> no spamassim installed
[23:51] <czajkowski> really wish it was moved off that hosting to bk stuff so we could do more
[23:51] <czajkowski> just I'm no dev
[23:51] <airurando> thats what i thought
[23:52] <airurando> i have the same feelings
[23:52] <airurando> :(
[23:52] <airurando> wish i could do it myself
[23:52] <czajkowski> killing me as it;ll be the 2nd year in a row we've had it sponsored and its gone to waste
[23:54] <airurando> hopefully infoturtle will progress things before the Jan meeting
[23:54] <czajkowski> nods


[10:59] <m_tadeu> hi....is there a way to tell the last successfull pull date?
[11:05] <LeoNerd> It's not stored as such, but you could probably bound it by the timestamp of the most recent commit, combined with the mtimes of files in the .bzr directory
[12:17] <m_tadeu> LeoNerd: thanx
[18:44] <zyga> hey, fastimport.helpers lost binary_stream() and now bzrlib-fastimport doesn't work
[18:54] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-fastimport/+bug/1314771
[18:54] <zyga> anyone knows where the code in question (binary_stream) went to?
[19:00] <zyga> jelmer: ping
[19:00] <zyga> jelmer: python-fastimport, there's no tag for the 0.9.2 release
[19:01] <zyga> jelmer: and I need some help (if you have a moment)
[19:01] <zyga> jelmer: I'm trying to solve bug 1314771
[19:01] <zyga> jelmer: I'm trying to figure out where binary_stream() function moved to and at least patch my local environment to work around that
[20:26]  * jelmer waves
[20:26] <jelmer> zyga: why do you want 0.9.2 rather than 0.9.3 ?
[20:29] <zyga> jelmer: hey
[20:29] <zyga> jelmer: have a look at the bug I linked to
[20:29] <zyga> jelmer: I sent a debdiff there
[20:29] <zyga> jelmer: I don't know where that missing code should move to but without it utopic is broken
[20:29] <zyga> jelmer: can you advise?
[20:30] <jelmer> zyga: what is utopic?
[20:30] <jelmer> zyga: this code really belongs in bzr-fastimport, not python-fastimport
[20:31] <jelmer> it's generic code, not related to fastimport and not used by python-fastimport itself
[20:35] <zyga> jelmer: ubuntu 14.10 (or debian sid), the 0.9.3 release broke bzr-fastimport (trunk and any released version)
[20:36] <zyga> jelmer: sure, do you know the upstream of bzr-fastimport that could move those functions there/
[20:36] <jelmer> zyga: ah, right
[20:36] <zyga> jelmer: or anything else that rdepends on fastimport and might have called them
[20:36] <jelmer> zyga: bzr-fastimport is here: http://launchpad.net/bzr-fastimport
[20:38] <jelmer> zyga: I'd be surprised if anything else uses those functions
[20:39] <jelmer> (and I didn't realize bzr-fastimport didn't have its own copies of them)
[20:39] <zyga> jelmer: I'm not a commiter there and you seem to be a part of project maintainers
[20:39] <zyga> jelmer: can you just copy those and release a new version? We'll get it packaged and release to fix everyone
[20:40] <SamB> hmm, do "just" and "release a new version" really belong in the same sentence?
[20:40] <jelmer> zyga: sorry, I'm no longer a committer on bzr-fastimport
[20:40] <jelmer> zyga: (no longer have commit access)
[20:40] <zyga> jelmer: I see, thanks
[20:40] <jelmer> hmm, actually.. I do
[20:40] <zyga> I need to grab anyone from https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+members#active
[20:41] <jelmer> zyga: happy to merge mps to fix this
[20:41] <zyga> jelmer: to what? to bzr-fastimport?
[20:41] <jelmer> I left some bzr groups because they were too spammy
[20:41] <jelmer> but apparently not ~bzr-fastimport
[20:42] <jelmer> zyga: sorry, nevermind
[20:42] <jelmer> confusingly lp:bzr-fastimport is nowadays owned by ~bzr, not ~bzr-fastimport
[20:42] <zyga> yeah
[20:42] <zyga> I just looked at that
[20:45] <jelmer> zyga: anybody from that group will do, proposing a merge should get their attention
[20:46] <zyga> jelmer: thanks


[15:44] <jMCg> Hello happy people
[15:44] <jMCg> I'm looking for a better way to handle this: http://sprunge.us/IAiV
[15:45] <jMCg> Because the results are just plain horrible (IMO)
[15:45] <jMCg> http://sprunge.us/WSdc


[01:16] <bigjools> wgrant: is launchpad still using ampoule?
[01:30] <wgrant> bigjools: The non-celery MP and branch scan jobs still use it, in TwistedJobRunner.
[01:30] <bigjools> wgrant: ok thanks, I am looking at using it in maas
[01:30] <bigjools> it's not packaged though, which is a pain
[08:26] <stub> https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/trivial/+merge/233498 , prob should just trivial it
[08:27] <jtv> stub: descent → descend
[08:28] <jtv> (And this does look as if it can't do any harm — unless someone outside depends on the list not being modified in-place in this case)
[08:29] <stub> fixed
[08:30] <stub> Its in an os.walk stanza, so in-place is fine (and required)