[02:25] <Lex79> ScottK: I've uploaded ktorrent 3.2.5 in my ppa, https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[02:33] <ScottK> Lex79: It's in Main.  It's really too late.
[02:34] <Lex79> ok, no problem
[08:19] <PedroLeKoi> Morning everybody.
[08:20] <PedroLeKoi> May I help someone by testing something?
[08:32] <PedroLeKoi> Somebody there who wants assign a task to me?
[09:19] <apachelogger> morning PedroLeKoi .. that entirely depends on what kind of task you were thinking about :D
[09:20] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ahoy! is there any plan to make the zoom effects in kwin bind to mouse scroll?
[09:21] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: Yesterday I did some ISO testing.
[09:21] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: people with visual impairment need this quite a bit ... having to use the keyboard for regular zooming is a PITA
[09:22] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: I doubt we have isos to test right now :)
[09:22] <apachelogger> should get some iso testing tasks tomorrow or the day after that
[09:23] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: To be honest: I am a new member of the Ubuntu Community. If you may tell me where I can find a list of task I eventually can asign myself to - that would make things easier.
[09:23] <apachelogger> if only there were a list of tasks :S
[09:23] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: I have seen the ToDo List... Right.
[09:23] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: That is exactly what I was wondering about.
[09:23] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: can be done, would be easy in fact
[09:23] <apachelogger> that is rather incomplete and long-term and all
[09:24] <mgraesslin> the disadvantage is that we have to start mousepolling then and that causes wakeups :-(
[09:24] <apachelogger> maybe configuration option?
[09:25] <mgraesslin> yep
[09:25] <apachelogger> also, compiz does seem to use scrolling by default ... neverminding the wakeups?
[09:25] <mgraesslin> perhaps they have a better solution for it ;-)
[09:26] <apachelogger> now if only we had a code spy :D
[09:26] <mgraesslin> they have in general mouse actions which KDE doesn't support
[09:27] <mgraesslin> I have been asked so often for ctrl+alt+left mouse button for activating the cube...
[09:29] <apachelogger> as bad as that is... it actually makes KDE feel a lot more mortal TBH, I didnt think there was anything left KDE could not do :S
[09:29] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: well, what would you like to do? what are you good at?
[09:29] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: iso testing only happens before releases which is only a monthly task
[09:33] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: To make it easier for you, you may have a look on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/PeterStoelzgen.
[09:35] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: I signed the Code of Conduct. Created an account on Launchpad. Asked for a mentor. What I want to say is: I want to help seriously.
[09:37] <apachelogger> quite impressive cv :)
[09:37] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: question is, do you want to do programming?
[09:39] <apachelogger> there sure are other ways to help, in fact, I would consider these other ways more important at this point
[09:39] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: Answer is: Yes. Truth is: It would make me calm to know that I get some guidance - at least in the beginning.
[09:40] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: What isn't part of the CV - impressive or not: I am unemployed right now. That means: I have plenty of time...
[09:40] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: how good is your c++?
[09:41] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: I have almost no practical experience but read some lessons, can read the code and I am motivated to learn...
[09:42] <apachelogger> sounds all to me as if you were best stuited contributing to KDE directly, rather than via Kubuntu :)
[09:42] <GarthPS> Hi everyone, I have am package problem.I try to compile amaroj from git, but since my upgrade to 9.10 I have this error "Phonon library or includes NOT found!" but I have all phonon package installed!!
[09:42] <GarthPS> "libphonon4" "libphonon-dev" "libqt4-phonon" "libqt4-phonon-dev" "phonon". and  I have sylvain@Hellboy2:/usr$  find -iname "phononnamespace.h"
[09:42] <GarthPS> ./include/qt4/Qt/phononnamespace.h
[09:42] <GarthPS> on amarok channel the told me that a package is bad.
[09:44] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: so, do you want to contribute to Kubuntu explicitly? programming only only partly what we do, while contributing to KDE directly you would get a chance to spend most of your time at programming + you get to work with some of the best developers the FLOSS world has to offer
[09:44] <apachelogger> you choice: kubuntu or kde :)
[09:45] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: You leave me no choice! I say KDE.
[09:46] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do you think you could get PedroLeKoi hooked up to KDE development? find him a mentor or something?
[09:46] <apachelogger> GarthPS: sudo apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:46] <mgraesslin> a mentor for KDE programming? Don't know if anybody does that
[09:46] <mgraesslin> have never heard of it
[09:47] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: well, there is no official programm for that :D
[09:47] <mgraesslin> I think the easiest is to pick a nice project and drop in the IRC channel
[09:47] <apachelogger> though maybe there should be
[09:47] <mgraesslin> have often seen it in #plasma
[09:48] <PedroLeKoi> mgraesslin: What is a nice project from your point of view?
[09:48] <GarthPS> apachelogger: in fact i will do a fresh install...it would be better
[09:48]  * apachelogger waits for mgraesslin to say kwin :D
[09:48] <mgraesslin> no I won't :-)
[09:48] <PedroLeKoi> That was a quick answer...
[09:48] <apachelogger> GarthPS: hopefully not because of this issue, because it is really just due to a changed path
[09:48] <mgraesslin> the nicest code base to work with is probably Plasma
[09:49] <mgraesslin> but there are many great projects
[09:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:49] <mgraesslin> and all need helping hands
[09:49] <apachelogger> PedroLeKoi: I would think that it largely depends on what you care about
[09:49] <apachelogger> you like music -> amarok
[09:49] <mgraesslin> yes, just think about something that really bugs you and fix it ;-)
[09:50] <PedroLeKoi> You two have fun, haven't you?
[09:50] <PedroLeKoi> Yeah: Amarok sounds good to me.
[09:50] <PedroLeKoi> How do I get there?
[09:51] <mgraesslin> amarok is great - they already use git :-D
[09:51] <apachelogger> markey: ping
[09:51] <PedroLeKoi> I shall ping markey?
[09:51] <mgraesslin> PedroLeKoi: http://amarok.kde.org/en/contribute
[09:51] <apachelogger> oh
[09:51] <apachelogger> markey was up until 5 am :D
[09:52] <apachelogger> no point in pinging it seems
[09:52] <markey> lol, actually I got up at 5:00
[09:52] <markey> subtle difference
[09:52] <apachelogger> omg
[09:53] <GarthPS> apachelogger: which path chane?
[09:53] <apachelogger> markey: PedroLeKoi would like to join amarok development
[09:53] <markey> that's nice
[09:53] <PedroLeKoi> apachelogger: I see.
[09:53] <markey> first step: /join #amarok
[09:53] <apachelogger> GarthPS: of the phonon stuff ... just run the commend I told you and clear your build directory
[09:54] <PedroLeKoi> I am very sensitive with pinging people...
[09:54] <PedroLeKoi> Don't be afraid.
[09:54] <apachelogger> GarthPS: then run the regular cmake command and you should be good to go again
[09:55] <apachelogger> markey: btw, are you planning on going to Berlin LT next year?
[09:55] <GarthPS> yep but it don't want to install build-dep amarok (pb of dépandencies)..so it will not be bad to do a fresh install! ;) but thankx!!
[09:55] <markey> apachelogger: haven't thought about it yet. when is it?
[09:56]  * markey isn't good with planning ahead
[09:56] <apachelogger> markey: june 9-12
[09:56] <markey> I'm kinda fed up with conferences currently. Gran Canaria did that to me
[09:56] <markey> I hated that place
[09:56] <markey> horror show
[09:56] <apachelogger> :S
[09:56] <apachelogger> good thing I wasnt there
[09:56] <markey> but germany is ok
[09:57]  * apachelogger is going to take over LT 2010
[09:57] <markey> well, june is still pretty far away.. can't really tell yet
[09:57]  * markey has never been at LT
[09:58] <apachelogger> oh, need to change that
[09:58] <apachelogger> LT is the quite awesome :D
[09:58] <markey> nice :)
[09:58] <markey> berlin's airport situation sucks
[09:58] <Mamarok> markey: just tell me at least 2 months before if you want to go to Berlin, I'm not going to do that "I go, I don't" stuff anymore
[09:58] <markey> but apart from that, berlin is OK with me
[09:59] <Mamarok> markey: and "if" we go, we could add some additional time for Dinslaken
[09:59] <apachelogger> never had airport problems, other than me almost passing out in tegel :D
[09:59] <Mamarok> passing out? what did you eat/drink?
[10:00] <apachelogger> what would I be drinking at LT ... too much of that
[10:00] <apachelogger> + I didnt sleep that night
[10:01] <apachelogger> I had to sleep in my car at Salzburg airport
[10:14] <Mamarok> ouch
[11:33] <apachelogger> austria is so freaking insane
[11:33]  * apachelogger likes that
[11:34] <apachelogger> :D
[11:48] <jussi01> apachelogger: similar to you then? :D
[11:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: http://randomizemylife.livejournal.com/117419.html
[11:55] <apachelogger> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/unsereuni
[12:53] <ryanakca> It normal that jockey FTBFS on i386 but not on the rest of the archs because it can't find pykdeuic4 ? python-kde4-dev (which ships pykdeuic4) is a B-D, and it didn't have an issue finding it on any other arch... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34241055/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.jockey_0.5.5-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> jockey only builds on i386
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> There was a kdebindings update a few days ago to fix that issue, though. So if jockey was retried it should work
[12:55] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Ah, ok. And I'm guessing it will be retried? :)
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> I hope :) pitti would probably know
[13:17] <Tscheesy_> Riddell: Is it possible to re-use Kubuntu.Org News Pictures and Translated Phrases in Kubuntu-de.org ? (we would use cc-by-sa 3.0 normally)
[15:27] <ScottK> ryanakca and JontheEchidna: I just retired it.
[15:27] <ScottK> retired/retried
[15:30] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks
[15:30] <ryanakca> Hurray, knmap built! :D
[15:34] <ScottK> Jockey built.
[15:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: good :)
[15:49]  * txwikinger slowly wakes up after an awesome Ontario GNU Linuxfest
[15:53] <Tscheesy_> txwikinger: did you meet up Gagne? and had your speech? (any Pics? ; )
[15:56] <txwikinger> Tscheesy_: I had my speech...I did meet Marcel, at least not knowingly
[15:56] <txwikinger> There were lots of people
[17:12] <Mamarok> the Kubuntu Ship-it still talks about the beta release instead of the RC for download
[17:13] <Mamarok> oh, and do the new ship-it rules apply to Kubuntu also?
[17:28] <ScottK> I'd assume so.
[17:29] <Mamarok> ok, so we should point people to their LoCo Team in the topic rather than to Ship-it, right?
[17:30] <jpds> Mamarok: shipit page> Talk to newz in #ubuntu-website.
[17:30] <Mamarok> jpds: thx, will do
[17:33] <jpds> Mamarok: Or file a bug at bugs.lp.net/shipit
[17:34] <jpds> Can't remember what I did last time.
[17:35] <Mamarok> jpds: will see, I pinged newz for now
[17:42] <adiroiban> can someone help me with bug 459476 . I don't know how to „convince” khelpcenter to load the translated docs
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> adiroiban: is KDE itself set to a different language than english?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> System Settings -> Regional & Language
[18:02] <adiroiban> yes
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> I get localized docs here
[18:02] <adiroiban> khelpcenter UI is translated
[18:02] <adiroiban> but not the content
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, same here
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> it's deceiving because the sidebar is translated too
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> Actually where there are spanish docs in kde-l10n-es, I see localized docs
[18:05] <adiroiban> can you give me an example ?
[18:05] <adiroiban> it is sad that from khelpcenter I can not get the real path of those HTML files
[18:06] <adiroiban> all paths are in the form help://doc
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> At least for spanish, kgpg has docs in kde-l10n-es
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> help:/kgpg/index.html
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> if there's nothing in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/<LANG> it'll fall back to english
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> Be back later, good luck.
[18:09] <adiroiban> thanks
[18:33] <adiroiban> how do you install the translated docs for kgpg ? I have installed kgpg but it only contains these files http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/301479/
[18:52] <Riddell> Tscheesy_: yes of course, we don't have a formal licence as far as I know but cc-by-sa 3.0 is sensible
[18:54] <Tscheesy_> thx - this just because theres no License-Link yes - and- we're cautious ... so i would send this lines to our Team-ML
[21:04] <ScottK> Nice: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4093
[21:45] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: can you upload kamoso 1.0.5 from my ppa? https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages


[12:28] <manchicken_> Riddell: We need to smack whoever decided not to make KDE3 compatibility classes for the various KDE3 action classes.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:32] <Hobbsee> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/services/kresources/kabc/net.desktop': No such file or directory
[12:37] <crimsun> from?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> kdelibs 3.5.7
[12:39] <nixternal> dh_install --list-missing
[12:39] <Hobbsee> oh bugger, not this root problem again
[12:40] <nixternal> haha, I had to go through and do that
[12:40] <nixternal> I am stuck not having libsyndication, so I can't build kde4pim
[12:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: would you happen to know of a way that all the files dont change to ownership root when bindmounting a directory in pbuilder?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> does using fakeroot stop that?
[12:45] <crimsun> fakeroot shouldn't have anything to do with that.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought...
[12:45] <Hobbsee> i just dont rememmber usually having this problem
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh dear.  i look like a drowned water rat in that picture
[12:59] <crimsun> hehe, I just watched Flushed Away last night (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424095/)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> how is 1300 UTC for our meeting, sometime next week?
[01:16] <ajmitch> 1AM, lovely
[01:17] <ajmitch> :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> maybe, 1300 UTC on this friday, seeing as there's nothign else scheduled
[01:17] <Hobbsee> poor ajmitch
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you have to do the MOTU one
[01:17] <ajmitch> I know
[01:17] <ajmitch> I'll try & avoid it if possible
[01:20] <crimsun> I'm a bit dismayed that a couple people are unhappy with the current situation but haven't proposed feasible resolutions.
[01:20] <crimsun> Oh well. :-)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes, we suck.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> we know it.
[01:22] <crimsun> nah, no one in here.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: still, it doesnt mean that we're not thinking about it, just because we're not actually proposing a solution
[01:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you are
[01:23] <Hobbsee> oh good
[01:23] <nixternal> I would propose a solution, but I don't even know what the problem is ;)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> good thing i was too cold to cause trouble at UDS then
[01:23] <crimsun> nixternal: we know your problem.  Stop using Vista as the excuse!
[01:23] <nixternal> nevah!
[01:23] <nixternal> Vista > GNOME any day
[01:23] <nixternal> KDE > Vista > Windows ME > GNOME
[01:24] <nixternal> tis what you get!
[01:24] <nixternal> and another kde4 build bites the dust
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: who do you think will win?  you or me?
[01:24] <nixternal> you
[01:24] <nixternal> hands down
[01:26] <manchicken> Oh, come on.  Proprietary software will never be better than Free Software :)
[01:27] <manchicken> Besides, we looked at Ubuntu Studio at the Ubuntu-Illinois meeting.
[01:27] <nixternal> manchicken: in this case.... ;)
[01:27] <manchicken> Not too shabby.
[01:27] <nixternal> Kubuntu Studio would be better
[01:27] <nixternal> Ku Ku Studio
[01:28] <nixternal> sing it like Phil Collins would though
[01:28] <nixternal> ahh, the reason for this build failure for kdeedu is booged code it seems
[01:29] <nixternal> error: 'class QPolygonF' has no member named 'containsPoint'
[01:29] <nixternal> lovely
[01:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:30] <manchicken> nixternal: Get right on that :)
[01:31] <nixternal> on which one?
[01:31] <manchicken> kubuntu studio
[01:31] <nixternal> the code or the Phil Collins Kubuntu
[02:03] <nixternal> uploading my kde4 amd64 packages now
[02:03] <nixternal> admin, graphics, toys, multimedia, and games
[02:03] <nixternal> nothing else wants to play nice and build
[02:04] <nixternal> so the rest need some tweaking to satisfy
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:04] <nixternal> and from the looks of it, a lot of tweaking
[02:04] <Hobbsee> you're beating me, then
[02:04] <nixternal> that won't last long
[02:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and lots of pointy-clicky vista action?
[02:04] <nixternal> omg drown!
[02:04] <nixternal> haha
[02:04] <nixternal> damn you crimsun
[02:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:05] <nixternal> it has migrated to another channel
[02:05] <nixternal> it started in motu, now kubuntu-devel...what's next?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-devel
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hte rest of the ubuntu channels
[02:05] <nixternal> nobody knows me there
[02:05] <Hobbsee> sure sure
[02:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you know you're going to be teased about that forever, dont you?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised no one's blogged about it yet
[02:09] <nixternal> thanks Hobbsee for giving them the idea
[02:09] <nixternal> haha
[02:09] <nixternal> I have never ever even used Vista
[02:09] <crimsun> sure, that's what they all say...
[02:09] <nixternal> I will admit to having a 20GB partition with XP on it though
[02:10] <crimsun> nah, that's Vista with an XP theme.
[02:10] <nixternal> lol
[02:10] <nixternal> I can't afford Vista
[02:10] <Hobbsee> well, + /home
[02:10] <nixternal> I only use it for the stupid VB class at school and to play Battlefield 2
[02:10] <nixternal> oh, I have at least 20 linux ones
[02:11] <nixternal> hehe
[02:11] <nixternal> not including chroots
[02:31] <Hobbsee> LOCK KDEgames
[02:36] <jjesse> evening
[02:37] <Hobbsee> woot!  kdelibs built
[02:47] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kde4-feisty-amd64/
[02:47] <nixternal> that is what we have so far
[02:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: is it shiny?
[02:48] <nixternal> nope
[02:48] <nixternal> hehe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> aww
[02:48] <nixternal> JR has the rest on http://kubuntu.or/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1
[02:48] <Hobbsee> does it point and click?
[02:48] <nixternal> you know it
[03:14] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/7.10/kubuntu-docs/
[03:16] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[03:16] <nixternal> howdy jjesse
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ewww, kdepim buglist looks evil
[03:17] <nixternal> alrighty, nevermind kflickr then
[03:17] <Hobbsee> kdenetwork looks equally bad
[03:18] <nixternal> ya, kdepim is nasty
[03:18] <nixternal> I went through one evening a few months back and attempted to clean it up as well
[03:18] <nixternal> wth needs a sync/merge that hasn't already?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ksudoku will, but not yet
[03:19] <nixternal> k
[03:19] <Hobbsee> (it hasnt cleared debian yet)
[03:19] <nixternal> I will work on tonio's kftpgrabber
[03:19] <Hobbsee> oh, iknow
[03:19] <nixternal> oh you do
[03:19] <nixternal> tell me ;)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yakuake needs cleaning up
[03:20] <Hobbsee> we should sync that from debian, if we can, and push our changes back
[03:20] <nixternal> ahh, my favorite
[03:20] <Hobbsee> basket 1.0.2 is released, too
[03:20] <nixternal> we can sync it from debian I believe..I am running a debian version...ooh, I am using hte new beta one..that's right
[03:20] <Hobbsee> excellent
[03:20] <nixternal> I will check it out now
[03:21] <Hobbsee> good.  still building.
[03:24] <nixternal> hrmm..i figured since ana was doing yakuake it would be in extras
[03:27] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that libtool update patch, I can replace that with the relibtoolization at build like we have been doing in kde-extras
[03:27] <nixternal> that will drop a patch
[03:27] <nixternal> then again...it is patched in debian as well
[03:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ahhh...
[03:28] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:29] <nixternal> now yakuake_2.8~beta1-1 doesn't have any patches at all
[03:29] <nixternal> I don't believe it is going to stay beta much longer, but Sho_ would know better about that
[03:31] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[03:33] <nixternal> I wonder if we should even worry about 2.7.5 for Gutsy
[03:34] <nixternal> want to just request a beta sync? or is that to scary
[03:35] <nixternal> basket 1.0.2-1 is already in the repos
[03:38] <Hobbsee> oh neat
[03:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, request the beta sync
[03:38] <nixternal> roger
[03:50] <jjesse> wow i have no focus tonight to get any work done
[03:52] <Jucato> what is focus?
[03:52] <Jucato> :/
[03:52] <jjesse> apparently something i'm lacking tonight
[03:52] <Jucato> something I must be lacking for years now... or maybe my whole life :D
[03:53] <jjesse> i think its the heroes season finale that is doing it
[03:53] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:53] <nixternal> I can hear it playing
[03:59] <jjesse> wow that was an awesome ending :)
[04:00] <jjesse> maybe now i can work
[04:00] <Jucato> "maybe"... :D
[04:04] <yuriy> shh i haven't seen it yet, others are watching 24
[04:04] <jjesse> yuriy: ok i won't tell anything
[04:04] <jjesse> some of us don't care about 24 :)
[04:36] <nixternal> grr, no go on yakuake sync...we had Kubuntu changes..I have updated the changes, dropped one patch, and am building it now..will request merge after testing
[04:37] <nixternal> hrmm, wrong chan
[04:37] <jjesse> grin :)
[04:37] <Jucato> :P
[04:37] <nixternal> hehe
[04:37] <nixternal> oh well
[08:20] <_marseillais> hi
[09:20] <Lure> Riddell: re 3.5.7> knetworkmanager works now, thanks
[10:04] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:09] <Tonio_> hey :)
[10:09] <Tonio_> fdoving: interested in fixing another media related bug ?
[10:09] <Tonio_> fdoving: very small one, bug annoying :)
[10:11] <Tonio_> hi mbiebl
[10:11] <mbiebl> Tonio_: hi
[10:21] <_marseillais_> yop Tonio_ :)
[10:21] <_marseillais_> could you come 2 minutes on kubuntu-fr
[10:21] <_marseillais_> i got a little thing to ask to you
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdegames done
[11:02] <Hobbsee> anyone alive?
[11:04] <_marseillais_> hi Hobbsee
[11:04] <_marseillais_> for the patch i send to you yesterday
[11:04] <_marseillais_> it build but it makes kopete crash (i've only install kopete from kde3.5.7 and keep all kdenetwork from kde 3.5.6
[11:04] <_marseillais_> i'll try today to fix it
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:05] <Hobbsee> okay
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_!
[11:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got kdelibs available?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: same place as the rest
[11:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: remind me again where that is
[11:18] <Hobbsee> hobbsee.ubuntwire.com/kdelibs
[11:18] <Hobbsee> and the binaries are in /debs
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're looking at doing some?
[11:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'll look at uploading what you've done first
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay :)
[11:23] <Riddell> nixternal: where are your source packages?
[11:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: suggest you use /lastlog
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kde 3.5.7 was to be the last kde4 release, right?
[11:27] <Riddell> that's unclear, there may be a 3.5.8
[11:28] <sebas> Hobbsee: KDE3, probably not.
[11:28] <Hobbsee> ah right
[11:28] <sebas> It's supposed to become less though.
[11:28] <sebas> But it will be supported for some time to come.
[11:29] <sebas> Yielding the interesting question if that's long enough for Gutsy+1 as LTS, or if that should be KDE4-based
[11:29] <sebas> That also depends on when 4.0 and 4.1 will be out.
[11:30] <Hobbsee> sebas: er, yeah, kde3
[11:30] <Riddell> sebas: what do you mean by supported?
[11:31] <glatzor> hi sebas. has anybody yet worked on separating the displayconfig backend from guidance?
[11:32] <sebas> Riddell: Upstream fixes bugs
[11:32] <sebas> glatzor: Nope, a bit busy atm
[11:33] <sebas> And I'm not a packaging dude anyway
[11:33] <Riddell> glatzor: not imminently, it'll happen as part of merges hopefully but just now there's three kde releases being packaged
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably be there tomorrow to help on packaging 3.5.7 if needed
[12:13] <Hobbsee> (darn connection)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whihc bit of kde are you doing now?
[12:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm not, I'm still waking up :)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> right
[12:49] <Riddell> whee!
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: about?
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: ?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i want to attack kdepim, and kdenetwork.  the rest i dont mind about, per se
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you want to be assigned any specs?  e.g. kubuntu-accessibility-keyboard, kubuntu-dolphin-by-default?
[01:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: for kdepim you may want to fix the debian/rules include for simple-patchsys, it's a local include but should be the normal cdbs one
[01:00] <Hobbsee> right, thanks for the headsup
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum yes please, I'll work on those 2 ones
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: and probably the kdebluetooth one too :)
[01:02] <Riddell> I can't find the bluetooth one now
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll take those in charge, and btw as soon as you have 3.5.7 packages out, I'll also start to backport the fixes w have done for the french parliament
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ? let me check
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-bluetooth
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't wait to be back in the effort..... one month without even an upload...... I'm angry :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> poor Tonio_
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'm wokrign on them - but i am at uni too...
[01:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the good point is that I already have a bunch of uploads to perform, but I need deps to come in the repos first (kaffeine.......)
[01:15] <marseillai_> someone could explain me what can be the reason why i don't have any backtrace : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21968/ ???
[01:18] <Riddell> marseillai_: the crash is caused by the library missing a function, not by something that needs a backtrace
[01:25] <marseillai_> oki
[01:25] <marseillai_> thanks Riddell
[01:25] <marseillai_> it's because i've done something bad in my package?
[01:34] <Riddell> marseillai_: something has done something bad yes
[01:35] <sebas> Do the 3.5.7 feisty packages have known regressions?
[01:35] <Riddell> it's using a library version that it wasn't compiled with
[01:35] <Riddell> sebas: not so far
[01:35] <sebas> Ok thanks :)
[01:35] <Riddell> xinerama probably broken
[01:35] <sebas> I will be able to tell you in a minute.
[01:36] <sebas> Well, some minutes.
[01:40] <buz> can i trigger the same HAL code path that guidance power manager uses for suspend from the cli?
[01:41] <Lure> buz: power-manager has dcop interface
[01:41] <Lure> buz: or use dbus
[01:42] <Lure> buz: it is couple of lines of python code
[01:42] <buz> for dcop i need kde running (i' trying to debug a suspend issue from text mode)
[01:42] <buz> ok i'll see about that
[01:42] <Lure> buz: for command line you can do "sudo pmi action suspend" (or hibernate)
[01:42] <buz> ah that was what i was looking for
[01:42] <buz> thanks!
[01:42] <mars> Riddell: it's because i've done something bad in my package or it's an upstream bug? upstream dev say it comes from my package but i don't think i've done anything bad
[01:43] <Riddell> mars: only reason I can think of is that you're mixing files from different compiled (e.g. your compile and a package from the archive)
[01:44] <mars> oki i'll continue this later this evening
[01:44] <mars> and don't give up
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know if all the kubuntu-specific patches in kdepim have been named kubuntu_*?
[01:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[01:46] <Riddell> they have
[01:46] <Hobbsee> excellent
[01:48] <Hobbsee> yay, power
[01:49] <buz> does kde3.5.7 have a fix for those annoying crashes in kmail when you select a new mail?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> buz: should do, yes.
[01:50] <buz> finally ;)
[01:50] <buz> that nearly drove me to thunderbird a while back
[01:50] <Hobbsee> as in, assuming usptream has actually fixed it like they say htey have
[01:50] <buz> well they claimed to have fixed in their dev branch but i couldnt figure out if that got incorporated into 3.5.7
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we still want to use -make-orig-source: .... in the rules file?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> and simple-patchsys is already not a local one
[01:52] <Hobbsee> were you thinking of debian-qt-mk?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> include debian/cdbs/debian-qt-kde.mk
[01:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I must have been thinking of the feisty packages
[01:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't use make-orig-source
[01:53] <Hobbsee> right
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/p/KLYONC76.html is something debian had and dropped, then?
[01:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: guess so, I removed those files upstream so there shouldn't be a need to do it as packagers
[01:54] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:55] <Hobbsee> oh, bugger it.  i wanted to fix your bodgy networkstatus
[02:05] <seele> why is there a flurry of posts about women in OSS?  did something happen?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> seele: when?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> and where?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> oh, ubuntu planet, the equality stuff?
[02:06] <seele> melissa, richard, daniel, mark van den borre
[02:06] <seele> yeah
[02:07] <Hobbsee> interesting
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i think some of them discussed it at UDS
[02:07] <Hobbsee> jono was interested in it
[02:07] <seele> and i never hear anyone asking "Where are all the Black people in OSS"
[02:07] <Hobbsee> seeing as there are very few women around in ubuntu
[02:07] <Hobbsee> this is true - but tha twould be more discrimatory
[02:07] <Hobbsee> well, obvious discrimination, more so
[02:07] <Hobbsee> maybe
[02:08] <seele> why?  because i'm pointing out that a group is underrepresented in my world in the universe of OSS?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:08] <seele> thats what people are doing with women
[02:08] <Hobbsee> this is true
[02:08] <Hobbsee> LP users has had a recent thread about code of conduct for LP, and having to use full names
[02:09] <Hobbsee> i'd suspect that there's more of a culture to say "dont jump on the black people" in lots of places
[02:09] <Hobbsee> whereas women are the context of a lot of men's jokes
[02:09] <Hobbsee> but i'm really not sure, and i think i'm ranting
[02:09] <seele> yeah, i dunno
[02:10] <seele> i didnt realise the topic of black people was sensitive outside the US
[02:10] <Hobbsee> it's not, inside the US?
[02:10] <seele> no, it is inside the uS
[02:11] <seele> we did a great job of fucking over black people and native americans in the 300 years
[02:11] <Hobbsee> say if i were to have a go at aboriginies in my country...it wouldnt go down so well - i'd get labelled racist very quickly
[02:11] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:11] <seele> why?  wouldnt that make people sexist for pointing out women's issues?
[02:12] <seele> i just dont understand why every time the code of conduct or other social issue comes up, women in floss has to be discussed
[02:13] <seele> sorry, didnt meant to take it out on you
[02:13] <Hobbsee> it seems to me that there's a great push to try to establish something that they'll never see - and that htey'll never really undersatnd, as they havent been thru
[02:13] <Hobbsee> no problem
[02:14] <Hobbsee> i suspect that they're only looking at one subset at a time, though.  like women first, then black people, or whatever
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: heh.  that's one of the reasons i'm not in ubuntu-women
[02:16] <Hobbsee> seele: i guess one thing is, with the women groups, that a lot of the women wont put up with the same shit that you or i will, just because we're more used to it.  so it probably has a place.
[02:16] <seele> i guess
[02:17] <seele> but some women cant separate a comment that was made to them because they were a bitch rather because they have a vagina
[02:17] <Hobbsee> this is true
[02:17] <Hobbsee> which means they need educatoin too
[02:17] <seele> yeah
[02:17] <Hobbsee> or an appointment with the cluebat, either way.
[02:17] <seele> i'm all for the education of sexist attitude, its just my opinion that is not whats going on here
[02:18] <Hobbsee> what do you think is going on?
[02:18] <seele> i dont know
[02:18] <seele> some people like to complain, some people dont like being underrepresented, some people like fighting for a cause
[02:19] <seele> soem people have the bad luck of working with assholes
[02:19] <seele> but it should remain on social issues, not the fact that women get picked on
[02:19] <seele> because i dont think that happens as much as it seems to be talked about
[02:21] <Hobbsee> cant say i've been overly picked on, apart from UDS, in a good...maybe 3 months?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> wait, does bluefoxicy count?
[02:22] <Riddell> you were picked on at UDS?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> some.  not much
[02:22] <Hobbsee> not by you people
[02:23] <Hobbsee> where you == kubuntu type
[02:23] <seele> no kde love
[02:24] <Hobbsee> seele: apologies.  kubuntu-type == kubuntu+kde
[02:24] <seele> hehe
[02:25] <Hobbsee> seemed so few, so i grouped them together
[02:49] <marseillai> grrrr my poor c++ skills tell me it should work : ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/kopete/kdenetwork-3.5.7/debian/patches/kubuntu_08_emoticons_editor.diff but it doesn't.
[02:50] <ScottK> my non-existant c++ skills tell me I'm not the one to help you figure it out ;-)
[02:55] <Tonio_> marseillai: have an http link ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> marseillai: I'd like to have a look but it looks like I can't connect to your ftp...
[02:56] <Tonio_> marseillai: the link isn't good in fact
[02:56] <Tonio_> 404 for me
[02:57] <marseillai> arf ah oui
[02:57] <marseillai> wait
[02:57] <marseillai> Tonio_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21975/
[02:59] <marseillai> Tonio_, it crashes when i use edittheme function telling me this error : symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kopete_appearanceconfig.so: undefined symbol: _ZN19EmoticonsEditDialogC1EP7QWidget7QStringPKc
[03:15] <hunger> marseillai: Try pasting the _ZN... stuff into c++filt. That should at least give you the demangeled name.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hunger: there are a few debs
[03:16] <hunger> Hobbsee: Not yet in gutsy. Don't want to add more repositories than absolutely necessary.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> i believe Riddell is going to start uploading them
[03:16] <hunger> Wow, great!
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it'd be nice to upload arts+kdelibs for a start
[03:16] <Hobbsee> makingthe rest easier to build with pbuilder
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: will do after lunch
[03:17] <Hobbsee> :
[03:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:17] <marseillai> hunger, i don't understand what you've said
[03:17] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks!
[03:17] <Tonio_> marseillai: fiou....... that patch is wau too complicated for my poor c++ knowledge :)
[03:18] <hunger> marseillai: try "c++filt _ZN19EmoticonsEditDialogC1EP7QWidget7QStringPKc" in a terminal.
[03:18] <marseillai> oki
[03:18] <marseillai> i'm currently at work
[03:18] <hunger> marseillai: That should give you proper classnames, etc. on the missing symbol.
[03:18] <marseillai> but i'll try
[03:18] <marseillai> oki
[03:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: kcontrol is broken again in gutsy.... same problem we previously had during feisty..... I'll have a look at that
[03:18] <hunger> marseillai: It is EmoticonsEditDialog::EmoticonsEditDialog(QWidget*, QString, char const*) for what its worse.
[03:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like the obex kcontrol entry is back and afaicr that was causing the issue....
[03:19] <marseillai> thanks hunger
[03:19] <hunger> marseillai: The compiler pushes all those C++ names through a wringer and turns them into this undecipherable garbadge.
[03:19] <hunger> marseillai: c++filt reverses the process:-)
[03:19] <marseillai> so the message means that this function is missing in /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kopete_appearanceconfig.so ????
[03:19] <hunger> Yes.
[03:20] <hunger> Is it in one of the source files? Is that compiled and linked into the .so-file?
[03:20] <hunger> Usually this kind of thing happens when you screw up the build system:-)
[03:20] <marseillai> really? i don't know
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdepim done
[03:21] <marseillai> i've apply a patch find on kde-apps and build it hunger
[03:21] <Hobbsee> bah.  or not
[03:21] <marseillai> but your information gives some way to looks for problem
[03:21] <marseillai> :)
[03:21] <marseillai> thanks
[03:21] <hunger> marseillai: You are welcome.
[03:23] <marseillai> hunger, may be if you look at the patch you could see something : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21975/ (if you have time)
[03:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you rock
[03:23] <hunger> marseillai: I don't. But I'll sneak a peek anyway;-)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: failed at the end.  grr.
[03:25] <hunger> marseillai: There is no such method:-(
[03:25] <marseillai> yes
[03:25] <marseillai> i've just saw that
[03:25] <hunger> Oh, sorry, just missed it. It is there.
[03:26] <marseillai> there is only +EmoticonsEditDialog::EmoticonsEditDialog(QWidget *parent, QString theme, const char* name) wich i not exactly the same
[03:26] <hunger> marseillai: line 274.
[03:26] <marseillai> it's not exactly the same you told me
[03:26] <marseillai> it's const char* instead of char const*
[03:26] <hunger> marseillai: It is close enough I thing.
[03:27] <hunger> marseillai: That patch seems to introduce a new file (kdenetwork-3.5.7/kopete/kopete/config/appearance/emoticonseditdialog.cpp).
[03:27] <hunger> I do not see where that is made known to the buildsystem.
[03:27] <marseillai> yes
[03:28] <marseillai> line 589 hunger
[03:28] <hunger> marseillai: Hmmm... right:-(
[03:28] <hunger> What did you do after applying the patch? reconfigure?
[03:29] <marseillai> no
[03:29] <marseillai> debuild and build in pbuilder
[03:29] <hunger> I think you might even need to rerun automake to generate the proper makefiles.
[03:31] <marseillai> before building ?
[03:31] <marseillai> but the patch only apply after the build
[03:32] <marseillai> but the patch only apply after the build start
[03:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any plans for adding kdevelop 3.4.1 to the kde 3.5.7 repo?
[03:36] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I don't plan to, it wasn't trvial to do so I left it out
[03:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: okay, dont bother about it then :)
[03:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: not really important
[03:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the packages work fine btw
[03:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's up?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: FTBFS - a file doesnt exist anymore.
[03:38] <Riddell> debuild -nc is your friend
[03:38] <Hobbsee> but this should be it, i hope
[03:38] <allee> Tonio_: I've right now configured my mighty bt mouse without command line help.  With kdebluetooth-dbus-integration it will work out of the box (no hidd necessary)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> what's that do?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> the -nc bit?  no clean?
[03:38] <Riddell> rebuilds without cleaning first
[03:39] <Hobbsee> neat
[03:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:41] <Hobbsee> and i dont think that admiring for idiocy is terribly good, anyway
[03:41] <marseillai> Riddell, my patch for kopete changes makefile.am and it seems this change are not take into account during the build! is there a way to change that?
[03:41] <Riddell> marseillai: make -f debian/rules buildprep
[03:41] <Riddell> which applies the patch and runs autothings
[03:42] <marseillai> thanks a lot! :)
[03:42] <marseillai> so like that the patck _should_ work
[03:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: someone is asking on bug 103401, regarding the unfixed reboot/restart button
[03:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103401 in kdebase "Reboot-Restart Button with classic LogOut Dialog (doUbuntuLogout=0) doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103401
[03:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the packages for kde 3.5.7 is just the same as 3.5.6 patch-wise, right?
[03:43] <Riddell> _StefanS_: they are yes
[03:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well, I'll just write that in the bug
[03:43] <marseillai> Riddell, last question : is there a way with pbuilder ton build ONLY kopete and not all kdenetwork wich take for me more than an hour and a half ?
[03:44] <Riddell> marseillai: nope, you'd have to compile by hand for that
[03:45] <marseillai> oki Riddell thanks anyway
[03:48] <Tonio_> allee: interesting
[03:48] <Tonio_> allee: where is the package ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> allee: build from svn ?
[03:49] <Tonio_> allee: let's stay connected on that point as I'll start working on that spec soon :)
[03:52] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[03:52] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Hi _StefanS_
[03:52] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: so youre checking time, eh :)
[03:52] <Tonio_> yo _StefanS_ rbrunhuber
[03:52] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I tried to find out if you are ilde. but did not succeed.
[03:53] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I was born idle.
[03:54] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Ok back to other topics. My networkmanager is not running anymore. So no bug for .x509 and no mockups.
[03:54] <Tonio_> allee: I am on the svn, looks pretty active at the moment
[03:55] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: well thats bad :) - why dont you just reinstall the packages?
[03:55] <Tonio_> allee: I'd like to know when is that supposed to be released
[03:55] <Tonio_> allee: but that sounds promissing :) let's try to get that done with gutsy..... I'll update the wikipage concerning this
[03:56] <Riddell> sebas: you're being marked as the assignee of kubuntu-gutsy-guidance since you were at UDS (although it'll presumably be the usual mix of you, me, lure, sime, whoever else)
[03:56] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I upgraded to gutsy already (I don't use the machine productive). There are unmet dependencies.
[03:56] <sebas> Riddell: That means?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: fix is on it's way
[03:56] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: downgrade to feisty version of networkstatus
[03:56] <Riddell> sebas: it means you get launchpad karma :)
[03:56] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: ok nevermind that, I have almost done the LEAP thingy btw
[03:56] <sebas> Hehe.
[03:56] <Lure> sebas: you should implement it and we will look at you ;-)
[03:56] <sebas> I'll happily wait for launchpad karma then.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: unmet deps are normal, etc
[03:57] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: could you write me what commands you use to split up the certificate manually?
[03:57] <sebas> I'll implement parts and merge patches of others.
[03:57] <sebas> Someone came up and started on powermanager port to Qt4 btw
[03:58] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Can i send them later to you. Not on a linux machine now.
[03:58] <Riddell> sebas: really?  who's that?
[03:58] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: thats fine
[03:58] <manchicken> Tonio_: So when are you going to teach me how to use rosetta?
[03:58] <sebas> A student from Edinburgh
[03:58] <sebas> David Edmundson
[03:58] <Riddell> mikearthur?
[03:58] <Riddell> oh, another one
[03:58] <Lure> sebas: do we have the right pyqt4 in feisty - only latest support dbus event loop, afair
[03:58] <Riddell> cool
[03:58] <sebas> I told you that blogging works ;-)
[03:58] <sebas> Lure: Dunno
[03:59] <sebas> He first starts to straightforward port, and then hopefully make it event-based rather than polling
[03:59] <Lure> sebas: I tried event loop stuff (have proto code), but I had to use snapshot version of pyqt
[03:59] <Lure> sebas: when port is done, I can finish event loop stuff
[03:59] <Riddell> Lure: isn't the code for that in dbus python bindings rather than pyqt?
[03:59] <Lure> sebas: will  port be done on branch?
[04:00] <sebas> Lure: Not sure, he'll send patches as soon as something works
[04:00] <Lure> Riddell: no, python-dbus only ship glib loop, while pyqt adds another qt event loop support
[04:00] <sebas> I've already merged an unrelated patch by him yesterday (extending the dbus interface)
[04:01] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I'm such a dumbshot. I have a second machine at home which still uses feisty. So i can use that for mockups and things. Did not think on this, because it only uses wired networking so no need for knetworkmanager.
[04:01] <Lure> sebas: good - I plan to rework battery stuff a bit (so that we have support for ups and mouse battery too)
[04:01] <Lure> sebas: just need to find some time ;-)
[04:02] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: ok sounds good :) - please send those split commands for x509 also (mailto<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:02] <sebas> I'm still not sure what mouse battery has to do there, and how that should be presented to the user.
[04:05] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee, Riddell: The kde 3.5.7 packages for feisty are great. Installed them yesterday. Upgrade was very smooth.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: gutsy or feisty?
[04:05] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : Feisty.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:06] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee : Did the gutsy packages already hit the repos?
[04:07] <Lure> sebas: it would be just another bar under battery with type as label (type: Primary, Mouse, UPS...)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: no.  see earlier.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> they're only partly built
[04:07] <sebas> Lure: Is that kind of stuff in HAL?
[04:07] <Lure> sebas: the only additional aspect could be pasive notification on low battery (but I do not plan to do this unless I have some tester with HW)
[04:07] <Lure> sebas: yes, there is bug opened with UPS details
[04:08] <Lure> sebas: currently we filter out battery by type != "primary"
[04:08] <rbrunhuber> Lure: What about energy level of the user :-)?
[04:08] <Lure> rbrunhuber: that will be after kde4 port ;-)
[04:08] <Lure> rbrunhuber: we need plasma for that ;-)
[04:09] <rbrunhuber> Lure : Or even better oxygen :-)
[04:29] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: great, thanks for testing
[04:29] <Riddell> Lure: ah, I see.  there was someone who packaged the new pyqt but I've entirely forgotten who it was now
[04:29] <Riddell> someone on #kde-devel
[04:30] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Thanks for packaging :-)
[04:37] <nixternal> Riddell: I will upload them now
[04:38] <Lure> Riddell: it seems we just need sync: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-qt4
[04:39] <Riddell> Lure: nice
[04:40] <Hobbsee> cp: cannot stat `/home/hobbsee/kdepim/kdepim-3.5.7/debian/tmp////usr/bin/kitchensync': No such file or directory
[04:40] <Hobbsee> wtf?
[04:40] <Tonio_> !language
[04:40] <Tonio_> :)
[04:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> they havent suddenly moved the binary or something, have htey?
[04:41] <Lure> Hobbsee: 3.5.7 is supposed to have new kitchensync - using opensync framework
[04:41] <Lure> Hobbsee: maybe you need to add some build rules for it
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: so i'm seeing...
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just kiddin' of course
[04:42] <Lure> Hobbsee: http://www.in.fh-merseburg.de/~jahn/opensync-0.21/ might be of help - they have older version of it as separate package
[04:43] <Lure> Hobbsee: see kitchensync-opensync on that page
[04:43] <Lure> Hobbsee: disclaimer: I just think this is the same ;-)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hmmm..  debian still has that file in place
[04:44] <Hobbsee> it's almost done
[04:45] <Hobbsee> it's on <lp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in /home/hobbsee/kdepim if anyone wants to look at it
[04:48] <manchicken> Tonio_: So when are you gonna give me that crash course in translations?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: i think i'll just remove all of kitchensync :P
[04:49] <Lure> Hobbsee: please don't - I really hope we can have proper sync with phones in gutsy
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: it appeared to build for debian, which is the weird thing
[04:50] <Hobbsee> s/build/built/
[04:50] <Lure> Hobbsee: but you can do it temporarily
[04:50] <Lure> Hobbsee: maybe debian has newer opensync?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> not much point
[04:50] <Hobbsee> nope
[04:50] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem so
[04:51] <Tonio_> manchicken: as soon as get my normal life back :)
[04:51] <Tonio_> manchicken: possibly next week
[04:51] <manchicken> I know that feeling.
[04:51] <manchicken> We had to *RUSH* to the doctor's yesterday in panic mode.  I really hope that doesn't happen too much more.  I don't think I can handle that much fear.
[04:53] <Tonio_> manchicken: ouch.......
[04:53] <manchicken> Tell me about it.
[05:01] <fdoving> Tonio_: sure, what bug do you have in mind?
[05:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: here is how to reproduce
[05:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: insert 2 usb keys
[05:04] <fdoving> ah, that one.
[05:05] <Tonio_> right click the desktop icons -> you can eject
[05:05] <Tonio_> eject one of the keys : you can't eject anymore :)
[05:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: known bug according to you ?
[05:05] <fdoving> yeah, i know it.
[05:05] <fdoving> i'll have a look later today.
[05:06] <Tonio_> fdoving: thanks :)
[05:06] <fdoving> Tonio_: did you see the mail i sent you, about k-d-s and konqueror view-modes?
[05:06] <Tonio_> fdoving: not yet, when did you send it ?
[05:07] <fdoving> friday, 21:20
[05:07] <fdoving> Subject: Fwd: [Bug 69168]  Re: konqueror file manager loses chosen view setting
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69168 in kubuntu-default-settings "konqueror file manager loses chosen view setting" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69168
[05:07] <Tonio_> fdoving: nothing in my mailbox
[05:07] <fdoving> oh.
[05:07] <fdoving> i'll re-send.
[05:08] <Tonio_> fdoving: just have your audiocd eject patch, that I'll upload if riddell doesn't put it in the 3.5.7 packages
[05:08] <Tonio_> fdoving: great thanks
[05:09] <fdoving> sent.
[05:09] <fdoving> bbl, dinner. i'll look at that remove-thing later.
[05:10] <Tonio_> fdoving: I agree concerning your fix
[05:10] <Tonio_> fdoving: we should enable this
[05:11] <Tonio_> fdoving: is that an hidden setting ?
[05:11] <Tonio_> fdoving: can't find it in the konqueror config menus
[05:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: what needs to go into 3.5.7?
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: a fix for the media patches, to eject an audio cd
[05:36] <fdoving> Tonio_: hidden by the kubuntu supplied .rc change.
[05:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep I saw that
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have the fix ?
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: fdoving should have send it to you
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, if you don't have time, I'll just add the fix with a further upload
[05:38] <fdoving> did i send anything to anyone?
[05:38] <fdoving> Tonio_: don't think i sent it to riddell, maybe stefans did.
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can send it to you if you want
[05:40] <Riddell> is it to kdelibs?
[05:40] <fdoving> kdebase iirc.
[05:41] <fdoving> kdesktop/kdiconview.cc i think.
[05:41] <Riddell> ah, I'm not on kdebase yet
[05:41] <Riddell> but e-mail it to me and I'll incude it
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: the mail is gone :)
[05:42] <fdoving> it should probably be fixed in the media patch that makes the problem.
[05:42] <Tonio_> s/gone/sent
[05:42] <fdoving> but i haven't found the time to do that yet.
[05:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's what I'm saying in the mail, that your patch is a "patch for the patch"
[05:44] <fdoving> Riddell: about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-remove-media - that's more or less finished.
[05:44] <Riddell> fdoving: groovy
[05:45] <Riddell> you may win the prize for first gutsy spec to completion :)
[05:45] <fdoving> Riddell: tonio did some testing and reports success.
[05:45] <fdoving> Riddell: tiny spec :)
[05:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: we're using this in the french parliament
[05:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: 1000 computers, no issues reported :)
[05:46] <fdoving> Tonio_: nice. :)
[05:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: btw, why an external application ?
[05:46] <Tonio_> isn't that simpler to just patch kdebase/kdelibs ?
[05:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: because getting this on the cd means, go through revu, get it approved, write a main inclusion report etc ........
[05:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: why nor just patching the existing binary that just doesn't work as proposed, even if that means replace the all code ?
[05:47] <Tonio_> s/nor/not
[05:48] <fdoving> Tonio_: well, i could make a patch to add the app to the kdebase source.
[05:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: that would be way easier for us to implement it
[05:49] <Tonio_> fdoving: then I'll just have to patch, test and upload and that it :)
[05:49] <fdoving> more work for me.
[05:49] <Tonio_> hum, indeed......
[05:49] <Tonio_> well you decide, I'll manage to do the bureaucracy thing ;)
[05:49] <fdoving> well.. i'd rather keep it separate. getting it into main can't be that much work.
[05:50] <Tonio_> fdoving: not that much
[05:50] <Tonio_> fdoving: as I said you decide :)
[05:50] <fdoving> making it part of kdebase is more work, that's my guess.
[05:50] <fdoving> then it'll be a separate package.
[05:50] <Tonio_> okay
[05:51] <Tonio_> well do you still have to work on the code ?
[05:51] <Tonio_> if not we should upload it to revu now
[05:51] <Tonio_> I may do it as I cleaned up your packaging a bit :)
[05:51] <Tonio_> missign builddeps etc...
[05:51] <fdoving> code is finished if it works for your 1000 computers.
[05:51] <Tonio_> fdoving: perfect
[05:51] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll upload to revu on friday and try to get it approved the same day
[05:51] <fdoving> there is a new version at http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/ with automake deps.
[05:51] <Tonio_> that's on my todo list
[05:51] <fdoving> great.
[05:52] <Tonio_> fdoving: great
[05:52] <fdoving> and i'd like patches to the packaging, or links to source etc. when you're finished polishing packaging.
[05:52] <fdoving> then if i ever make changes, the new packages will appear at http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/
[05:53] <Tonio_> sure
[05:53] <Tonio_> fdoving: well I think it was just a matter of missing builddep
[05:53] <Tonio_> fdoving: those changes were just for the local deployement, I wouldn't have upload to revu without emailing you the changes :)
[05:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: btw we have to wait for kde 3.5.7 to reach the repos as we need the fixed kde code....
[05:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: I won't patch kde 3.5.6 now :)
[06:00] <lucky_lucas> Hi, I have to report two problems with kde  3.5.7 packages
[06:01] <Riddell> lucky_lucas: what's up?
[06:01] <lucky_lucas> Hi Riddell let me explain
[06:01] <lucky_lucas> So first of all I did the update from CLI
[06:02] <lucky_lucas> I didn't add the key but it doesn't make a difference, does  it ?
[06:02] <lucky_lucas> Know I wanted to install kdeveolp 3.4.1 and realize that only the 3.4.0 is available
[06:03] <lucky_lucas> I wanted to add the key with adept and the nice kubuntu way of managing repos is replace with the standrad adept one, which cannot handle key
[06:03] <lucky_lucas> replaced sorry
[06:05] <Riddell> kdevelop isn't in the archive I'm afraid
[06:05] <Riddell> do you have software-properties-kde installed?
[06:05] <lucky_lucas> I just check
[06:06] <lucky_lucas> no it wasn't installed i do it now
[06:06] <lucky_lucas> that's it
[06:08] <lucky_lucas> And now i got the nice kubuntu interface to manage the repos
[06:08] <lucky_lucas> thank you
[06:08] <lucky_lucas> It's maybe related with the fact that I installed ubuntu and after I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <lucky_lucas> ?
[06:09] <Riddell> that should still install software-properties-kde
[06:09] <Riddell> did you upgrade from edgy?
[06:10] <lucky_lucas> no a fresh install form ubuntu live cd
[06:10] <lucky_lucas> from sorry
[06:10] <Riddell> curious
[06:10] <Riddell> have you installed kde 4?
[06:10] <lucky_lucas> but I installed kde4 packages once
[06:11] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/7.04/kde4-3.90.1
[06:11] <nixternal> debs and src
[06:11] <Riddell> that'll be it, the qt from kde 4 removes qt 4 apps like software-properties-kde
[06:11] <nixternal> I will continue working on the other packages...as they will need to be created from scratch
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy
[06:11] <nixternal> which from the looks of it, I can copy debian/ from other packages, make some changes, and build
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: you could also try going i386
[06:11] <nixternal> heh, sure
[06:12] <fdoving> tonio, there is no depend on it anywhere, you don't need any changes to kdebase as it won't autoinstall anywhere. should be fine to just upload.
[06:12] <Riddell> nixternal: there are sources for other kde 4 packages in feisty
[06:12] <lucky_lucas> Riddell: thank you I didn't notice the change with kde4 packages because I rarely use adept
[06:13] <lucky_lucas> And only use because of the tutoriel on kubuntu.org to install your key
[06:14] <Riddell> nothing stopping you doing it the command line either of course
[06:15] <lucky_lucas> Sure but I didn't remember the apt-key add sequence, so I follow the guide
[06:17] <lucky_lucas> Anyway, my two problems are fixed because the 3.4.1 isn't in the repos..
[06:20] <\sh> Riddell: why don't we enable the exchange plugin for kdepim?
[06:20] <Riddell> \sh: I don't know
[06:22] <\sh> Riddell: I just saw it somewhere...hmm...lemme look
[06:27] <bddebian> Heya
[06:29] <marseillai_> Riddell: perhaps we should add this correction to konqueror for feisty on kde 3.5.7 no ?
[06:30] <Riddell> marseillai_: which?
[06:30] <marseillai_> arf sorry forgot link
[06:30] <fdoving> did the gmail one make it into 3.5.7 ?
[06:30] <marseillai_> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2807
[06:30] <marseillai_> fdoving: no
[06:30] <marseillai_> it was what i talk about
[06:30] <fdoving> marseillai_: ah, ok. i
[06:30] <fdoving> i
[06:30] <fdoving> grr..
[06:30] <Riddell> fdoving: yes
[06:31] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. good.
[06:31] <marseillai_> Riddell: it seems no
[06:31] <fdoving> Riddell: kde.org tagged 3.5.7 too, or did you patch it into the kubuntu package?
[06:31] <marseillai_> narishma on kubuntu-fr still have the bug
[06:31] <Riddell> I checked half an hour ago, the code in that blog is in the current 3.5.7 tar
[06:31] <fdoving> good. :)
[06:32] <Riddell> possibly not the feisty ones though, KDE updated the tar throughout the week
[06:32] <marseillai_> ah oki
[06:40] <marseillai_> Riddell: indeed for feisty i've just check here : http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/pool/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.5.7.orig.tar.gz and the patch is not here for gmail
[06:42] <Riddell> marseillai_: fooey
[06:43] <marseillai_> Riddell: if i make a debdiff for that you are interest for feisty ?
[06:44] <Riddell> marseillai_: the main task is finding the time to compile it
[06:44] <marseillai_> i understand
[06:45] <marseillai_> but now i allready one debdiff pour kde 3.5.7 : one for kopete and maybe another for konqueror and i can build for i386
[06:45] <Riddell> kopete?
[06:46] <marseillai_> yes
[06:46] <marseillai_> kopete_emoticon_manager
[06:46] <Riddell> what's changed in kopete?
[06:46] <Riddell> that's a feature, that won't go in kubuntu.org packages
[06:46] <marseillai_> i add a great feature
[06:46] <marseillai_> oki
[06:46] <marseillai_> didn't know
[07:41] <giangy> 'evening guys
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Hiya
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Should there be a 3.5.7 in the topic in #kubuntu?
[07:43] <fdoving> na, should there?
[07:43] <fdoving> maybe.
[07:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes
[07:45] <fdoving> like that?
[07:46] <DaSkreech> si
[08:00] <hsitter> Riddell: ping
[08:15] <Riddell> hi hsitter
[08:15] <hsitter> ahoy captain :)
[08:15] <hsitter> Riddell: what do you think about integrating about including suse's sysinfo kio slave in kubuntu?
[08:16] <hsitter> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png
[08:16] <fdoving> i was playing with packaging that once.
[08:16] <marseillai_> yes
[08:16] <marseillai_> kopete_emoticons_manager works! :)
[08:16] <marseillai_> thanks for your help Riddell
[08:16] <marseillai_> i was missing sudo make -f debian/rules buildprep
[08:17] <hsitter> the problem with sysinfo is that there is no own source package for it, so I'd have to create an own tarball - now question is: shall I put the sources in bzr?
[08:19] <fdoving> i extracted the source from the opensuse sourcepackage.
[08:22] <fdoving> i'm all for RCSs in any way possible :)
[08:22] <Riddell> RCS?
[08:22] <Riddell> ah, right
[08:22] <Riddell> sure, go ahead
[08:47] <emonkey-f> thx for the 3.5.7 packages
[08:48] <_buz> i'm experiencing weird behavior with kmail filters since upgrading to 3.5.7
[08:48] <_buz> the log says the filters matched and messages got moved, but they stay where they are
[08:49] <_buz> manually moving works, so it cant be a fs / server issue
[09:13] <hsitter> Riddell: Kubuntu Team as owner of the branches?
[09:13] <nixternal> should be Kubuntu members...team is expired/not used
[09:15] <hsitter> "substantial contribution"
[09:15] <hsitter> now I wonder whether that applies
[09:18] <hsitter> nixternal: you think it's necessary to create an upstream branch?
[09:18] <nixternal> what are we talking about here?
[09:19] <hsitter> the kio-sysinfo thing from suse
[09:19] <nixternal> you can always create your own branch as well on LP
[09:19] <hsitter> nixternal: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png
[09:19] <nixternal> ahh
[09:19] <hsitter> well
[09:19] <nixternal> yes that is sweet
[09:20] <nixternal> is that a SUSE box or did you port it over for Kubuntu already?
[09:21] <nixternal> I noticed the 2.6.20-15 kernel
[09:21] <hsitter> nixternal: not much of porting, it's using hal :)
[09:21] <nixternal> true
[09:21] <nixternal> just needs to be doctored by kwwii
[09:21] <hsitter> yeah :)
[09:21] <nixternal> hola jjesse
[09:23] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[09:29] <fdoving> is there a reason why konqueror identifies as firefox and not safari, when talking to gmail?
[09:29] <hsitter> letz pray for a working upload :D
[09:29] <fdoving> .. is that default setting something we set in k-d-s?
[09:29] <hsitter> fdoving: safari causes misbehaviour on usual google search
[09:29] <hsitter> no right click IIRC
[09:30] <fdoving> ok.
[09:30] <nixternal> fdoving: it is because gmail will not accept konqi
[09:30] <fdoving> nixternal: it does work for me with safari identification.
[09:30] <nixternal> oh, don't know why it doesn't do with safari
[09:30] <nixternal> there is a patch out for konqi to fix the issue
[09:31] <fdoving> sure.
[09:31] <fdoving> but changing the identification is easier.
[09:31] <fdoving> .. or can work as a workaround.
[09:31] <fdoving> the patch is very very small.
[09:31] <Riddell> hsitter: if you want
[09:33] <hsitter> hm
[09:33] <hsitter> does bzr disallow branch pushes to groups one's not member of?
[09:35] <fdoving> .. identifying as opera works too.
[09:35] <fdoving> hsitter: i guess you don't have write access to groups you're not member of.
[09:35] <hsitter> hm
[09:36] <hsitter> yeah, no permission
[09:36] <fdoving> i'm confused too. i can't figure out what makes the contextmenus on rightlicking removable devices on the dekstop.
[09:38] <hsitter> omg
[09:38] <hsitter> there's not even a date for the next meeting
[09:43] <fdoving> gah.. this media stuff is so broken.
[09:43] <fdoving> refreshing the desktop with removable devices plugged in removes the "safely remove" option from the context menus.
[09:54] <hsitter> made a personal branch for now https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu
[09:54] <hsitter> and I need to talk to the committee to find out why I'm not member by default ^_^
[10:10] <DaSkreech> hsitter: that's HW info?
[10:10] <hsitter> DaSkreech: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp035.png
[10:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah Just looked at it
[10:10] <DaSkreech> That's out sideof Kcontrol?
[10:11] <hsitter> yep
[10:16] <toma> DaSkreech: whats wrong with /proc/diskstat ?
[10:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah that lets me know what processor and Video card I have :-P
[10:18] <toma> DaSkreech: it is hidden in those numbers, trust me
[10:21] <mschiff> heya! is there a problem with kitchensync in 3.5.7?
[10:22] <mschiff> (because the package is missing in the repo...)
[10:33] <DaSkreech> toma: Whats Your Network card specs based on that?
[10:34] <toma> "-464" but that might be a bug
[10:34] <DaSkreech> -464 B/s ?
[10:34] <DaSkreech> Better start uploading fast :)
[10:34] <toma> ;-)
[10:37] <DaSkreech> But seriously you'd give your mom or child's school teacher instructions to read that to gain more information on the computer?
[10:38] <yuriy> what's wrong with kinfocenter?
[10:39] <DaSkreech> It's not bad but a little intimidating
[10:39] <DaSkreech> lshw -html is easier to read
[10:41] <yuriy> kinfocenter used to have nice little bars for showing free hdd space, but they seem to have disappeared
[10:48] <DaSkreech> I think you mean memory


[11:32] <Ju> Hi all !
[08:40] <smurfix> locoteams meeting in 20min
[08:40] <Ivarix> k
[08:42] <mitsuhiko> mion
[08:42] <mitsuhiko> s/mion/moin
[08:43] <Ivarix> :-)
[08:44] <mitsuhiko> hi \sh
[08:44] <\sh> hi mitsuhiko,smurfix :)
[08:47] <Ivarix> hi both
[08:47] <Ivarix> \sh: Mithrandir
[08:47] <Ivarix> mitsuhiko
[08:47] <Ivarix> :-)
[08:52] <mitsuhiko> dam di dam :)
[08:52] <Ivarix> ok
[08:53] <Ivarix> start meet
[08:53] <Yann2> Ivarix > and you are..?
[08:53] <mitsuhiko> Yann2: one of the splitted ubuntu-lv team
[08:53] <mitsuhiko> ;-)
[08:53] <Yann2> oh :D
[08:54] <\sh> Ivarix: what is with Mithrandir ? ,-)
[08:54] <Yann2> smurfix > ping
[08:54] <Yann2> mmh. even hno73 is not here, though he decided the date :s
[08:54] <Ivarix> i do not know. just not correct nickname
[08:54] <\sh> Ivarix: oh ok ;)
[08:55] <Ivarix> wanted say one more time hi to mitsuhiko
[08:55] <titus`> hi everybody
[08:56] <smurfix> Yann2: I'm here, don't worry ;-)
[08:56] <Yann2> smurfix > could you lead the debate?
[08:56] <smurfix> sure
[08:56] <smurfix> I planned to ;-)
[08:57] <segfault> 5 min?
[08:57] <mitsuhiko> segfault: 3'
[08:58] <segfault> ups!
[08:58] <segfault> :D
[08:58] <segfault> the changes made in rosetta are automatically synced with doceam's svn?
[08:58] <segfault> err, docteam.
[08:58] <spear> hi
[08:59] <smurfix> segfault: EWRONGCHANNEL?
[08:59] <Yann2> so, no hno73 nor Jane? :/
[09:00] <segfault> ops
[09:00] <Yann2> might be difficult to get some answers :s
[09:00] <Yann2> hno73 could have come :/
[09:00] <Yann2> well, let's start
[09:00] <titus`> wait 5 min ?
[09:00] <smurfix> *gavel* the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[09:00] <Yann2> Please introduce yourself for logs
[09:00] <smurfix> so hello everybody
[09:00] <Yann2> Yann2, Ubuntu-fr admin.
[09:01] <Ivarix> hi smurfix
[09:01] <Mirv> Mirv, ubuntu-fi admin
[09:01] <smurfix> Yann2: if you want to lead the meeting, just go ahead ;-)
[09:01] <titus`> titus`, ubuntu-fr admin
[09:01] <Yann2> sorry :p
[09:01] <mitsuhiko> \sh: :)
[09:02] <mitsuhiko> ...
[09:03] <smurfix> I notice there are lots more people in the channel ;-)
[09:03] <mitsuhiko> erm. is it possible to come to point 1?
[09:03] <Ju> Ju, ubuntu-fr user
[09:03] <mitsuhiko> " Hosting: Ubuntu-provided vs. sponsored vs ..?"
[09:03] <Ivarix> :-)
[09:03] <smurfix> mitsuhiko: sure ;-)
[09:04] <smurfix> ... except that ...
[09:04] <mitsuhiko> ?
[09:04] <smurfix> that's an item I'd like hno73 to be here for
[09:04] <Yann2> smurfix > basically he decided this meeting :/
[09:04] <mitsuhiko> ok. than we can switch to point 2
[09:05] <Yann2> same point -_-
[09:05] <smurfix> " Trademark issues for creating local charity organisations named ubuntu-something" -- who proposed that?
[09:05] <mitsuhiko> not me
[09:05] <Yann2> I did
[09:05] <Yann2> just let's go over :p
[09:05] <kolcvk> arent we waiting mako?
[09:05] <Yann2> already got my answer :)
[09:05] <smurfix> kolcvk: mako is no longer with canonical
[09:06] <littlepaul> Yann2, and the answer is?
[09:06] <kolcvk> ...
[09:06] <ivoks> smurfix: since when?
[09:06] <Yann2> i should mail trademark@
[09:06] <mitsuhiko> ivoks: 3 weeks?
[09:06] <\sh> ivoks: since he is working for MIT
[09:06] <\sh> ivoks: it was on his blog
[09:06] <Ivarix> that mako is not in canoncical - it`s not a news
[09:06] <Ju> and so o, Planet Ubuntu
[09:06] <Ivarix> it was on his site about some weeks ago
[09:06] <mitsuhiko> \sh: and in some other blogs
[09:06] <ivoks> ah... didn't know that...
[09:07] <Yann2> distribution of cds, conference packs...
[09:07] <mitsuhiko> Yann2: can you answer point 2?
[09:07] <Yann2> Jane, or someone of canonical, should be here.
[09:07] <Yann2> [21:06:31]  <Yann2> i should mail trademark@
[09:07] <smurfix> Next would be "Distribution of Cds and conference packs - logistics issues" -- which would also need somebody from Canonical, preferably silbs again
[09:07] <smurfix> If we go on like that, this meeting is going to be quite short :-/
[09:08] <mitsuhiko> rofl
[09:08] <mitsuhiko> than we have only one point to discuss atm
[09:08] <mitsuhiko> "SFD plans?" although i don't know what this is
[09:08] <smurfix> " Relations to Canonical - eventual creation of a Locoteams team, to improve communication between canonical and locoteams" -- ditto somebody from Canonical.
[09:09] <smurfix> Umm, "SFD plans" is a but late I would say ... that was last Saturday
[09:09] <smurfix> or is that for next year?  ;-)
[09:09] <mitsuhiko> :)
[09:09] <smurfix> Anybody know who proposed that?
[09:09] <Ivarix> i have place where we can put all that
[09:09] <Ivarix> cds and so on...
[09:09] <mitsuhiko> is SFD the free software day?
[09:09] <Yann2> Ivarix > could you handle shipping?
[09:10] <kolcvk> smurfix what about me and ubuntu-lv
[09:10] <smurfix> Ivarix: it's not that easy
[09:10] <Ivarix> kolcvk: it is next point :-)
[09:10] <mitsuhiko> kolcvk: there is one person missing
[09:10] <Ivarix> Yann2: arghm. i do not know yet.
[09:10] <Ivarix> he is not in gsm zone
[09:10] <smurfix> kolcvk: that'd be the item after that
[09:10] <Ivarix> gsm is down
[09:10] <mitsuhiko> ok
[09:10] <Ivarix> about shipping..
[09:10] <mitsuhiko> 10 minute meeting :)
[09:10] <Ivarix> next week after meeting with IBM Latvia
[09:11] <Yann2> well don't ask me to work with canonical if noone is able to showup -_-
[09:11] <Ivarix> i think we will be available to make shippings to Lithuania/Estonia and Latvia (locally)
[09:11] <Ivarix> but for that we need cds which to resend
[09:11] <kolcvk> if canon. sponsors it then we would lote to
[09:11] <smurfix> Yann2: I don't know, I also cannot find the announcement in the locoteams list archive
[09:11] <kolcvk> love*
[09:11] <dand> could we please focus on one topic at a time?
[09:11] <smurfix> dand: definitely
[09:12] <smurfix> Ivarix: we need somebody from Canonical to discuss that
[09:12] <smurfix> assuming you don't want to pay for this all by yourself
[09:12] <smurfix> ;-)
[09:12] <Ivarix> i could
[09:12] <Ivarix> but only if i will get something for that
[09:13] <Ivarix> in lithuania/Latvia/estonia - without any problems
[09:13] <smurfix> anyway
[09:13] <Yann2> same thing in france, well
[09:13] <Ivarix> in worse situaation - i can ship them by myself
[09:13] <Ivarix> :-)
[09:13] <smurfix> *gavel*
[09:13] <Ju> At least it was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar and this page is known... /topic ...
[09:14] <dand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas could have been updated
[09:14] <smurfix> it seems that (a) the email announcement got dropped somewhere, and (b) some people who should know better and be here anyway are not
[09:14] <smurfix> dand: So how many wiki pages which point to other wiki pages with agendas are there ??
[09:15] <dand> smurfix: good question, i don't know
[09:15] <smurfix> so we need to find a time for the next meeting and announce that a bit more widely and/or focused on the people we need to talk to
[09:16] <dand> should we ask somebody from canonical to choose a date/time?
[09:16] <smurfix> dand: I'll try to get that number reduced, I didn't even know about MeetingAgendas
[09:16] <smurfix> the CC meeting is tomorrow
[09:16] <Ivarix> about shipping - i am interested in all that, because last ship (35kg) which i got @ sunday is down till 200cds
[09:16] <dand> smurfix: well it's the url in this channel's topic
[09:17] <mitsuhiko> ok
[09:17] <smurfix> Ivarix: you're definitely off topic now
[09:17] <Ivarix> about 400-500 gone @ sdf day party
[09:17] <Ivarix> smurfix: sorr...
[09:17] <Ivarix> :-)
[09:17] <titus`> maybe we could report this meeting to tomorrow after the cc meeting ?
[09:17] <smurfix> I suggest that we bring that up on the CC meeting
[09:17] <Ivarix> just answering due text upstears :-)
[09:17] <smurfix> the Canonical people should be there
[09:17] <smurfix> so we can find a date
[09:17] <mitsuhiko> tomorrow i'm not online :(
[09:17] <dand> great
[09:17] <littlepaul> smurfix, we should wait a few minutes - im still optimistic
[09:17] <Ivarix> but....
[09:17] <Ivarix> i am not sure
[09:18] <mitsuhiko> littlepaul is not known as optimisticus
[09:18] <smurfix> mitsuhiko: you don't need to be there tomorrow, as long as you're there when the next meeting actually is ;-)
[09:18] <kolcvk> i will be online
[09:18] <spear> are Canonical people base on Mann or does the social base of the company have nothing to do with the place Canonical people are based at ?
[09:18] <mitsuhiko> smurfix: the next meeting is tomorrow 12:00 UTC
[09:18] <smurfix> spear: Canonical people are distributed all over the planet actually
[09:18] <mdke> spear, the latter
[09:19] <kolcvk> ok
[09:20] <spear> :)
[09:20] <Yann2> smurfix > well.. ?
[09:20] <Yann2> what's next?
[09:21] <smurfix> Yann2: that's easy, unfortunately
[09:21] <smurfix> I hereby declare this meeting closed -- we'll do better next time. I hope :-/
[09:21] <Yann2> when do we decide the next time?
[09:21] <mitsuhiko> Yann2: first ask one from canonical
[09:21] <smurfix> Yann2: tomorrow at the CC meeting
[09:21] <mitsuhiko> who is atm our man at canonical?
[09:21] <smurfix> I'm putting us on the agenda now
[09:21] <Yann2> mitsuhiko > i _already_ did
[09:22] <Yann2> hno73.
[09:22] <spear> mdke ... the latter :(
[09:22] <mitsuhiko> and why isn't he here?
[09:22] <smurfix> mitsuhiko: We don't know
[09:22] <Yann2> just ask him when he shows up, he might have forgot
[09:22] <mitsuhiko> does anyone have his mail addy?
[09:23] <\sh> smurfix: mdke is not away ;)
[09:23] <mdke> no
[09:23] <kolcvk> if you give me his cell number then i can call him
[09:23] <mdke> i'm here briefly
[09:24] <mdke> why?
[09:24] <\sh> I thought they need u
[09:24] <\sh> forget it :)
[09:25] <mdke> k
[09:31] <spear> bye
[09:31] <\sh> smurfix: when are u flying to montreal?
[09:32] <smurfix> \sh: not finalized yet, 31th at the latest, depends on whether I can free up the weekend
[09:33] <\sh> smurfix: ok :) after quite some years we will meet at least in person :)