[00:00] <trism> h6w: ubuntu-bug update-manager; I would guess, it can be reassigned later
[00:00] <conner_bw> Hi, Question: I updated to 12.10 from 12.04 and it's defaulting to linux kernel 3.5.0-17-lowlatency. Is this right?
[00:01] <dem0n> okay sorry guys i had to switch from NAT to BRIDGED mode in vmware player which required me to restart linux and vmware player
[00:01] <reuf> jrib: thanks - thanks thats it
[00:01] <reuf> PatrickDickey: thanks that does it too
[00:01] <Fishscene> dem0n: That's a good start. How is it looking now?
[00:02] <dem0n> okay now that i am in bridged mode i should in theory just be able to start the vnc server (tightvnc) and then plug in my private ip address in "androidvnc" with the vnc port -> 5901 and should be all set right?
[00:02] <dem0n> Fishscene: i am about to try it out...
[00:02] <jilebedev> Mount question: can I mount the root of my filesystem as an nfs mount point at /mnt/foobar ?
[00:02] <BusyBoxes> dem0n depends on iptables
[00:02] <Fishscene> dem0n: If it doesn't work, report back and we'll look more into your setup.
[00:02] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: also depends on whether you restarted your network interfaces to obtain the new bridged ip.
[00:03] <compdoc> dem0n, the port is usually :1
[00:04] <compdoc> dem0n, what ip address is the vm now?
[00:05] <dem0n> <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:05] <dem0n> hey guys what would be the correct way to start vncserver with a good resolution and 24bps color setting
[00:06] <Fishscene> dem0n: Your previous IP address was <IP_ADDRESS>... Could you double-check that the network settings are correct? Unless of course, your NAT connection was using the same IP address range as your LAN..
[00:06] <PatrickDickey> conner_bw: The kernel type (lowlatency) is determined by what your hardware supports. So, I would say as long as it works, then it's probably the right one.
[00:07] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: reboot the virtual machine please then give us the inet address again
[00:07] <dem0n> Fishscene: i actually typed the wrong when i first connected it was actually <IP_ADDRESS> this is what is was before i used "bridged connection"
[00:08] <conner_bw> PatrickDickey: But it wasn't lowlatency in 12.04 AFAIK, did this change?
[00:08] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: ok ping that vmware ip from your windows machine
[00:08] <PatrickDickey> conner_bw: They added that flavour of kernel in 12.10
[00:08] <BusyBoxes> let me know if you get a reply
[00:08] <conner_bw> PatrickDickey, Ok thanks.
[00:08] <reuf> whats the use of .bashrc directory?
[00:08] <PatrickDickey> conner_bw: Not a problem.
[00:08] <Fishscene> brb. sorry
[00:09] <jaymartinez> i just setup ubuntuone where is that cloud icon in the taskbar? i dont see any info on what ubuntuone is doing
[00:09] <PatrickDickey> reuf, it's a file. You use it to set your bash profile up. For example, I have mine set up with colors and a hindu meditation.
[00:09] <dem0n> okay i just pinged my linux box from my windows box and it looks good
[00:09] <dem0n> 0% packet loss
[00:09] <reuf> PatrickDickey: is it different for every user?
[00:10] <PatrickDickey> reuf, yes. Well it can be. If you set up yours, it will be different from everyone else on that computer.
[00:10] <jmc1> Hi, anyone know what to do? I have activated Xinerama and had to reboot, since than, I cant see anything on the screen, only the wallpaper and mouse, I cant even right clic on the mouse but I still see the mouse going trough monitors
[00:10] <f0urtyfive> Anyone know what I can do if the ubuntu installer isnt detecting existing partitions (just shows free disk with no partition)
[00:11] <Trinity> Hi! Is it possible to open terminal even if i do not have anything other than gnu on server?
[00:11] <Trinity> no desktop?
[00:11] <compdoc> f0urtyfive, you can d/l and boot gparted
[00:11] <Trinity> im connected with some kind of VNC
[00:11] <reuf> whats the use of .bash_logout file?
[00:11] <Trinity> and want to open terminal, but have only a blank desktop :P
[00:11] <Trinity> is there any hot keys?
[00:11] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: I have no problem partitioning myself... but how do I install from that if its not detecting any partitions
[00:12] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: wierd thing is sfdisk -l shows the partition structure fine from the install disk
[00:12] <reuf> also if anyone knows whats the use of .bashrc.save ?
[00:12] <compdoc> f0urtyfive, what partition types are you using?
[00:12] <zl2tod> Trinity, Alt/F2 do anything?
[00:13] <dem0n> okay well it worked!
[00:13] <Trinity> hi zl2tod, no :/
[00:13] <zl2tod> reuf, probably saved by a script or a person modifying .bashrc, diff it against .bashrc
[00:13] <PatrickDickey> reuf, I'd venture that the .bashrc.save file is a backup of your old .bashrc file.
[00:13] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: theres two existing partitions (128 GB total) that are an existing windows install
[00:13] <f0urtyfive> compdoc: and 128 gb free on the disk
[00:13] <dem0n> i see my linux resolution, but one thing i need to find a better screen resolution size, i didn't put one in i just ran "vncserver"
[00:13] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: http://askubuntu.com/questions/148648/ubiquity-is-not-recognizing-existing-partition-while-trying-to-install-ubuntu-al this might help you out.
[00:13] <tom> i keep getting "Please insert the disk labeled:
[00:13] <tom> Ubuntu-Studio 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - Release amd64 (20111011)
[00:13] <tom> in drive /media/cdrom/"
[00:14] <dem0n> my tv is a 50" does anyonen have any guesses what would be a good resolution size for the vncserver on that size of a tv?
[00:14] <jmc12> Anyone know what to do with XINERAMA that hang the startup? I can see mouse and wallpaper but nothing else
[00:14] <zl2tod> Trinity, left, right, middle click ?
[00:15] <Trinity> i get create folder etc, zl2tod, but not terminal
[00:15] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: that doesnt seem to help...
[00:15] <reuf> whats the difference between apt-get, aptitude, synaptic and dpkg install managers - will they conflict with each other if you mix them when installing stuff?
[00:15] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: os-prober doesn't return anything?
[00:16] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: os-prober reports whats required
[00:16] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: my problem is /dev/sda is being reported as no partition structure in the installer... however it clearly has paritions
[00:16] <PatrickDickey> reuf, apt-get is a simplified version of aptitude. Synaptic is just a GUI front end for apt-get/aptitude. And both apt-get and aptitude are command line frontends for dpkg.
[00:17] <PatrickDickey> Try running the install from the desktop then f0urtyfive. Or have you done that?
[00:17] <zl2tod> reuf, run them one at a time and you'll be ok. They are different front-ends to the underlying package management structure.
[00:17] <jmc12> Anyone can help please? Since that I have activated Xinerama, I cant see nothing on my screen.. only wallpaper, mouse but not even able to right clic on mouse. I use 12.10 Ubunut
[00:17] <reuf> thanks all - but wont they conflict with each other?
[00:17] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: Tried
[00:18] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: shows "/dev/sda/ free soace 251999 MB"
[00:18] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: w/ no partition table
[00:18] <jmc12> compiz seems to crash all the time
[00:18] <zl2tod> Trinity, don't suppose ctrl/alt/f1 works ?
[00:18] <dem0n> Fishscene: hey thanks for your help bro, i really appreciate it
[00:19] <dem0n> hey so does anyone here have any kind of idea what a resolution would be for a 50 inch hd tv?
[00:19] <dem0n> ilke 1920x1050 for example?
[00:19] <dem0n> *like
[00:19] <PatrickDickey> dem0n: I'd say you have to try something, and see if it works. But, you need to find out what resolutions the tv supports first (as you won't be able to use just anything).
[00:20] <Trinity> zl2tod: ctrl+alt+t worked
[00:21] <Trinity> how to login as another user int terminal btw? :s
[00:21] <reuf> i want to learn how to make bash scripts such as moving directories around, finding files with patterns and compying them to some endpoint directory - where can i look for this?
[00:21] <BusyBoxes> su - for root
[00:21] <RedPenguin> BusyBoxes: might be a lease duration, but like I said immediately delating the old no-lojnger valid static lease, all was well
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: any ideas?
[00:22] <BusyBoxes> RedPenguin: If your getting deauthed could be bad passphrase.
[00:22] <dr_willis> reuf:  check out the 'advanced bash scripting guide' and the #bash channels reccmendations
[00:22] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm googling to see what I can find. I've never ran into that situation.
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: looks like gparted shows the same
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: but sfdisk -l shows the correct
[00:22] <dr_willis> !abs > reuf
[00:22] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: gparted shows no partitions?
[00:22] <dr_willis> reuf:  also check out guides on 'regular expressions'
[00:22] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: correct.
[00:22] <RedPenguin> soupeee: any luck?
[00:23] <somsip> Trinity: su username. If you need to login as a user with no password, su -i to change to root, then su uername
[00:23] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: looks like windows partitiing ftl
[00:23] <BusyBoxes> RedPenguin: Best thing to do is open up wireshark and see what's going wrong. Why's he's getting deauthed or not obtaining a dhcp lease.
[00:23] <RedPenguin> yea
[00:23] <jmc12> Well, anyone know how to deactivate Xinerama from terminal?
[00:23] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: "/dev/sda contains gpt signatures, indicating that it has a gpt table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table as it should"
[00:24] <AaronCampbell> So I have a user that has sudo, and they screwed up the /etc/passwd file.  They changed the first line to something like this: root_something:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[00:24] <RedPenguin> I just know sometimes the accept page isn't auto, and I gotta open a browser and attempt to go to a page
[00:24] <reuf> dr_willis: thanks - its installing
[00:24] <AaronCampbell> Now their sudo doesn't work, and neither does mine...and I can't seem to su root either.  Is there a way to fix this?
[00:24] <reuf> !regular expressions > reuf
[00:24] <RedPenguin> then I usually get redirected to like https://<IP_ADDRESS> if it's a CISCO router or whatever
[00:25] <reuf> apt-get install what - for regex?
[00:25] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: so windows fucked up the partition table
[00:25] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=16388 looks like it has the solution
[00:25] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: (something called rEFIt)
[00:25] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: privledge escalation maybe, try su -; then try to see if the file is writtable to your user group if so fix it, because your system looks like it stores the hashes in /etc/shadow anyhow.
[00:25] <xangua> !language | f0urtyfive
[00:26] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm not sure what happened to the partition table. You can also look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656212 and see if it helps you.
[00:26] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: the system shipped with GPT partition structure, but when I went to do a new windows 7 install it wouldnt install to GPT partitions
[00:26] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: su - does the same thing as su root ... it says the password is wrong
[00:26] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: so I deleted the partitions and created new MBR partitions, apparently windows didnt wipe the GPT sig
[00:27] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: try seeing if you can modify the /etc/passwd file
[00:27] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: vim /etc/passwd opens in readonly
[00:27] <Trinity> tnx!
[00:28] <Trinity> is it sudo apt-get openssh-server ?
[00:28] <Trinity> or open-ssh server ?
[00:28] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: Trying to override with :w! says that I don't have permission
[00:28] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, did you open it as root?
[00:29] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: That sucks, uhm only idea I really have that's probably feasible is mounting the file system to another machine. Then fixing the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files.
[00:29] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: I can't, I can't su to root or sudo
[00:29] <bin_bash> you can't use sudo at all?
[00:29] <PatrickDickey> AaronCampbell: instead of su root, try su root_something
[00:29] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, did you enable a root user?
[00:29] <PatrickDickey> whatever the something is, in the /etc/passwd file, I mean.
[00:29] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: not since the top line (root) was messed up in the /etc/passwd file (the username was modified)
[00:30] <bin_bash> :|
[00:30] <BusyBoxes> Aaron: Mount file system elsewhere and go ham, or escalate your privledges through a application or service vuln.
[00:31] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, have you tried using a livecd
[00:31] <AaronCampbell> PatrickDickey: Yeah, actually su root says "Unknown id" and su root_something is the one that says my passwd is wrong
[00:32] <PatrickDickey> AaronCampbell: I would do a combination of what bin_bash and BusyBoxes are telling you. Boot to a live cd, mount the file system, and fix the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files.
[00:32] <bin_bash> ^
[00:32] <Trinity> i did su to root ;)
[00:32] <BusyBoxes> AaronCampbell: The person changed your root passwd and username. The only way of fixing this is mounting the file system elsewhere and modifying the account data.
[00:32] <Trinity> worked
[00:32] <Trinity> How to install a desktop on my ubuntu server? (For vnc backup use) ?
[00:32] <PatrickDickey> AaronCampbell: also, if the person doesn't really need sudo access (if they don't have a good reason to install applications system-wide or make system-wide changes), demote them.
[00:33] <bin_bash> Trinity, same way you'd install it anywhere else
[00:33] <Trinity> hehe....
[00:33] <BusyBoxes> Aaron: I believe you would have to encrypt the shadow password with DES then import it, I'm not sure of the algorithm do some research.
[00:33] <AaronCampbell> BusyBoxes: I'm unsure of how they changed the password.  Maybe since the username changed it no longer matches a field in the /etc/shadow file?
[00:33] <Trinity> anyone else?
[00:33] <BusyBoxes> SUDO =(
[00:33] <Trinity> doesnt i need to get some files to install desktop etc
[00:33] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, seriously. Boot a livecd, mount the filesystem, and then change the file
[00:33] <bin_bash> it's really easy
[00:34] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: Ok, I'll try it.  Thanks
[00:34] <BusyBoxes> lol ignorance.
[00:34] <bin_bash> Trinity, what are the system specs of the server
[00:35] <PatrickDickey> He'll probably find out that if he changes the root_something back to root, everything will work. It probably didn't do anything to /etc/shadow But I'm guessing there.
[00:35] <Guest35211> hi! can somebody help me with a short tip related to gstreamer-properties default values?
[00:35] <dem0n> hmm...does anyone know how to get a better picture with vncserver i have been using the option "-depth 24" for color depth but the image coming up on my hd tv is still pretty fuzzy, and i was wondering if anyone maybe knew any tricks to get a better picture.
[00:36] <Trinity> bin_bash : i7 , 32gb ram
[00:36] <Trinity> 3tb hdd
[00:36] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: gptsync didnt do it :/
[00:36] <bin_bash> Trinity, you're just using it as a headless?
[00:36] <Trinity> bin_bash: just bought it for fun :P
[00:37] <bin_bash> Trinity, you didn't answer my question. Are you using it as a headless?
[00:37] <Trinity> sounds bether than headless
[00:37] <dem0n> Trinity: nice hardware
[00:37] <Trinity> whats headless :P
[00:37] <bin_bash> Trinity, no monitor, just ssh
[00:37] <Trinity> bin_bash yea
[00:38] <Trinity> so far
[00:38] <bin_bash> okay.
[00:38] <RedAmber2> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me?
[00:38] <bin_bash> Trinity, I'm guessing X isn't installed, right?
[00:38] <Trinity> dunno what X is :P
[00:38] <Trinity> but i have installed a version of vnc
[00:39] <bin_bash> Trinity, if you don't know what X is, then wtf are you doing?
[00:39] <Trinity> but cant find out witch one. Because i have a .vnc folder, but cant start vnc , kind off :P
[00:39] <bin_bash> Trinity, X is the window server.
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> RedAmber2, Have you checked th md5sum of the disc or ISO?
[00:39] <Trinity> ah, X = screen
[00:39] <Trinity> then i know what X is ;)
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum
[00:40] <RedAmber2> Idk wilee-nilee
[00:40] <AaronCampbell> bin_bash: I gave one last things a try before booting to a CD and it worked.  Turns out "gksudo gedit" worked where "sudo vim" did not
[00:40] <AaronCampbell> Thanks for all your help
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> RedAmber2, here is a good link for doing this.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM  There is also a out of the bios boot from menu, sometime that is all that is needed, mine is reached with a f12 at powering on yous may be different.
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> yours*
[00:42] <bin_bash> Trinity, which DE/WM do you want to use?
[00:43] <bin_bash> AaronCampbell, that's good
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> RedAmber2, I assume you burned the cd as an image at a slowest speed possible as well.
[00:44] <Trinity> bin_bash: tnx for help :)
[00:44] <bin_bash> Trinity,
[00:44] <bin_bash> Trinity, whcih DE/WM do you want to install
[00:44] <Trinity> dunno the different ones, so have to google them
[00:45] <bin_bash> Trinity, apt-get install xserver-xorg && apt-get install gnome
[00:46] <Trinity> what is  xserver-xorg
[00:46] <RedAmber2> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me? I CHECKED MD5SUM Is good
[00:46] <bin_bash> Trinity, read it. what do you think it is?
[00:46] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, what kind of computer
[00:46] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, is it a mac
[00:46] <RedAmber2> No it is a hp
[00:46] <Trinity> x window server something :P
[00:46] <bin_bash> Trinity, yes.
[00:48] <Trinity> bin_bash what vnc client is best?
[00:48] <bin_bash> I don't use vnc so idk
[00:49] <Trinity> but i have a screen, so do i need xserver-xorg? or only gnome
[00:49] <RedAmber2> bin_bash Its an hp
[00:49] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, okay. I'm not sure then. Try a USB
[00:51] <RedAmber2> bin_bash I am loading off a usb
[00:51] <RedAmber2> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[00:51] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, tryv a cd then
[00:52] <RedAmber2> bin_bash I don't have any cd burners
[00:52] <superfake123> how do I remove the package bluetooth-applet D:
[00:52] <docmur> I just installed 12.10 and my eth0 interface is getting an address but I can't ping anything.  If I go into windows its fine, Is there a noted issue with 12.10 and wired networking?
[00:52] <bin_bash> RedAmber2, idk then sorry m8
[00:52] <superfake123> docmur, yes I read there was
[00:52] <codephobic> hi
[00:52] <superfake123> docmur, I changed to use opendns and I have not had any issues since
[00:53] <RedAmber2> Thanks for you help bin_bash greatly apprecticated
[00:53] <docmur> is opendns already installed in 12.10 or should I boot the live cd and juist install it
[00:53] <superfake123> docmur, it's just 2 dns servers you change to. <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:54] <codephobic> I've got a folder with over 9000 txt, pdf, zip and html files. I've been trying to transfer the .html files (4000+) into another folder and it's now been "transferring" for 10 minutes... if I cancel it, do you think I could lose any files?
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, How are you transfering?
[00:55] <Tohuw> What does "unlock this key automatically whenever I'm logged in" actually set? As in, what file or gsetting is changed?
[00:56] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: heres how I fixed the gpt issue: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/wipegpt.html
[00:56] <Tohuw> Unrelated question: how can I pass an option from a Unity shortcut? For instance, can I invoke gnome-terminal --maximized instead of gnome-terminal from the Unity shortcut?
[00:57] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, just dragging and dropping files from one folder on one drive to another.
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> f0urtyfive, +1 on that link
[00:57] <JimmyNeutron> What's the differences between ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone? no luck so far w/ Google
[00:57] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm glad you got it fixed. Have you made sure that you can still boot to your Windows os and still have your data?
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, Does this leave the original, is it on the same HD?
[00:57] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: still installing ubuntu atm
[00:58] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, no different disk
[00:58] <codephobic> and I'm moving rather than copying
[00:58] <codephobic> ok, I just cancelled the transfer, there's 900 that have transferred, hopefully the rest haven't been messed up
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, If it does not leave the original I would let it finish, usually from partiton to partition the original stays, your risk here in the end.
[00:59] <codephobic> oh
[00:59] <ner0x> Can anyone explain LDAP and give me some solutions for ubuntu?
[00:59] <codephobic> not good
[00:59] <PatrickDickey> JimmyNeutron: you might be able to get that answer in #ltsp or #edubuntu
[00:59] <JimmyNeutron> PatrickDickey, Thanks! let me try there.
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, Ah moving, I would think if you stopped it you would loose stuff
[01:00] <PatrickDickey> ner0x: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication It might explain it for you.
[01:00] <codephobic> well, guess it's time to find out... 4000 - 900 ... hopefully 3100 left.
[01:00] <ner0x> PatrickDickey: Have not. I'll check it out now.
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> good luck. ;)
[01:01] <codephobic> is there an upper limit to the number of files and folders nautilus can cope with, within any given folder?
[01:01] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: I haven't been paying attention to what you're doing, but if it's a simple move, it *shouldn't* delete anything that it hasn't already copied over.
[01:02] <Tohuw> ner0x: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication for Ubuntu specifically, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Directory_Access_Protocol for an exposition in general.
[01:02]  * PatrickDickey emphasizing shouldn't because Murphy was an optimist. ;-)
[01:02] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, that's what I was thinking (hoping) but... given that these are archived articles and stuff I've collected over 10+ years ... I wanted to be sure.
[01:02] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, were you just getting antsy to finish, what made you stop it?
[01:03] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, nautilus was slowing down every folder window. So I couldn't even open my music folder.
[01:03] <zl2tod> codephobic, thumbnailing and characterisation of the files eats up memory, so configure nautilus to curb those behaviours if you run into trouble. It'll reduce your risk from malicious files too.
[01:03] <codephobic> I figured it must have crashed so ... eventually just cancelled and hoped for the best.
[01:03] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: where are you copying to and from?
[01:04] <codephobic> zl2tod, thanks for that tip - will adjust preferences.
[01:04] <superfake123>  how to I find what package bluetooth-applet is apart of and remove it?
[01:05] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I was copying from an old hd Documents (windows xp) folder over to my NAS' documents folder
[01:05] <codephobic> sorry that should be windows vista
[01:05] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: windows boots fine btw.
[01:05] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: Nautilus was probably bogging down, because it's doing all of the processing on your computer.
[01:05] <PatrickDickey> f0urtyfive: I'm glad to hear that. :D
[01:05] <Tohuw> superfake123: apt-cache search bluetooth-applet
[01:06] <yanick_> hi, what kind of actions can the community take to push ATI into making decent "legacy" (4 years old graphics card) drivers?
[01:06] <f0urtyfive> PatrickDickey: grub didnt install right :/
[01:06] <superfake123> Tohuw, perfect thanks :)
[01:06] <zl2tod> superfake123, dpkg -S bluetooth-applet
[01:06] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I wasn't expecting it to take so long ... and eat so much memory... my ram usage shot up to 5GB+ (of 8GB physical ram)
[01:07] <Tohuw> yanick_: Stop buying ATI until they do. Beyond that, write them, and/or join the groups reverse engineering the drivers.
[01:07] <Tohuw> Unrelated question: how can I pass an option from a Unity shortcut? For instance, can I invoke gnome-terminal --maximized instead of gnome-terminal from the Unity shortcut?
[01:07] <codephobic> btw, how do you reboot nautilus? just type "nautilus" in a terminal?
[01:07] <yanick_> Tohuw, I bought my laptop 4 years ago :) and, YES! I will NOT buy another ATI card again
[01:07] <superfake123> when I try to remove the pacakge gnome-bluetooth it comes up with a ton of other stuff it wants to remove that I don't think is safe to remove. can I remove just gnome-bluetooth???
[01:07] <PatrickDickey> yanick_ ATI won't make drivers for old hardware because "they've maximized it's capabilities".  Which is another way of saying "We want money."
[01:08] <Tohuw> codephobic: What are you attempting to do, specifically? To close nautilus, you can invoke sudo killall nautilus, but you should not normally have to do this.
[01:08] <Crayboff> So I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 on my friend's HP netbook. On the first step after I decide that I don't want to install 3rd party software, and I press continue, I get stuck in with the waiting wheel
[01:08] <yanick_> where's the open source ATI driver project site?
[01:08]  * PatrickDickey wonders if ubottu has an ati entry
[01:08] <Crayboff> what do I do to install ubuntu and get around this on my friend's netbook. I've tried 12.10 and 12.04 from a USB drive
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> superfake123, That removal only brings up all bluetooth apps here.
[01:08] <PatrickDickey> !ati
[01:09] <superfake123> well, worse case I just reinstall gnome-bluetooth I guess right?
[01:09] <zl2tod> superfake123, why do you want to remove it ? disabling it may be a better option
[01:09] <PatrickDickey> Crayboff: how long has it been hung up? (the wheel)
[01:09]  * KM0201 wonders if PatrickDickey knows about !msgthebot
[01:09] <Tohuw> Crayboff: What model is the netbook? I have 12.10 running on my Mini 1010NR
[01:09] <codephobic> Tohuw, I cancelled a very slow file move, now it looks like nautilus has crashed (the right-click menu looks 'odd') and so I was thinking of restarting nautilus
[01:09] <superfake123> i don't have any bluetooth devices and the process that is constantly running bothers me D:
[01:09] <zl2tod> Crayboff, is the machine connected to the net ok ?
[01:10] <dr_willis> so just have it not start at login superfake123
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> superfake123, you can turn it off in startup applications.
[01:10] <dr_willis>   /etc/xdg/autostart/ has entries...
[01:10] <superfake123> ahhh, ok ty
[01:11] <dr_willis> Not like its doing anything anyway....
[01:11] <yanick_> PatrickDickey, I already installed the fglrx-legacy package (http://www.unixmen.com/ubuntu-12-10-and-amd-catalyst-problem-solved/) which seems to be "stable" enough...
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> superfake123, You just have to load the start apps though it is empty now, I can fine the code if you need it .
[01:11] <PatrickDickey> yanick_ that's probably all you can do for now. Aside from updating the card if possible.
[01:12] <Crayboff> PatrickDickey: 15 minutes now, before when I tried it I waited about 20 before. zl2tod, when i was trying 12.10 it was connected by ethernet, now I'm trying without any internet.
[01:12] <yanick_> PatrickDickey, hmm I wish. I don't think it is possible on my Dell Studio XPS
[01:12] <yanick_> I could revert back to 12.04 :)
[01:12] <PatrickDickey> yanick_ laptop?
[01:12] <yanick_> PatrickDickey, yes
[01:13] <PatrickDickey> yanick_: yep, you're out of luck then. Either you have to rely on the fglrx team (the open source versions) or go back.
[01:13] <wilee-nilee> dr_willis, I wonder the percentile of the users that visit are ocd, some seem a bit to obsessed with perfection.
[01:13] <Crayboff> Tohuw, unfortunately I'm not sure which it is, it is a Mini, not sure which model though
[01:13] <Tohuw> codephobic: You can attempt to force Nautilus to restart via sudo killall nautilus, though it may be as simple as closing all open Nautilus windows. It may also not, as the Desktop is a nautilus session as well.
[01:14] <Tohuw> Crayboff: look at the bottom, near the serial number
[01:14] <bin_bash> Tohuw, you don't need sudo to use killall, in fact it's not good practice to do so
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> present company on the channel exempt of course. ;)
[01:15] <codephobic> Tohuw, I get the feeling that I'm going to have to reboot ... banshee is struggling too now. I think the music folder is still being clogged up by nautilus and banshee can't read from it...
[01:15] <Crayboff> Tohuw, there is no serial number on the bottom :/ only something saying that HP is a registered trademark
[01:15]  * PatrickDickey is ocd in a lot of ways
[01:15] <bin_bash> codephobic, do you have htop installed
[01:15] <codephobic> bin_bash, nope
[01:15] <bin_bash> codephobic, apt-get install htop
[01:15]  * wilee-nilee is not officially, but have probably qualified at times.
[01:16] <Tohuw> bin_bash: Good point, as nautilus will always start as the user logged in. codephobic, note what bin_bash said please. Also, consider checking top.
[01:16] <bin_bash> codephobic, once it's installed, run it via terminal, and then click where it says "command"
[01:16]  * PatrickDickey is racking his brain. I used to have a script installed on my laptop that disabled all non-essential things like bluetooth. I can't remember what it was though. it came from the ubuntu repositories, IIRC.
[01:16] <codephobic> bin_bash, Tohuw k, I'll install that.
[01:17] <Tohuw> codephobic: top is installed by default. execute "top", then press shift+m to sort by memory consumption
[01:17] <BusyBoxes> codephobic: press q to exit top.
[01:17] <codephobic> ah, htop looks so much better than top
[01:17] <codephobic> colourful
[01:17] <codephobic> lol
[01:18] <blackshirt> yes, top was available by default
[01:18] <codephobic> ok, so what am I looking for within the htop output?
[01:18] <Tohuw> You kids and your color! Get off my lawn!
[01:18] <codephobic> lol
[01:18] <Crayboff> PatrickDickey Tohuw zl3tod: if it helps, I am using a different flash drive than I was before. it's an intel Atom. if you need more info i can try ubuntu fine, it's just installing it
[01:18] <codephobic> It reminds me of my dear old Spectrum +4
[01:18] <codephobic> It reminds me of my dear old Spectrum +3*
[01:19] <bin_bash> codephobic, select "command" and use the arrow keys to scroll down to find nautilus
[01:20] <PatrickDickey> Crayboff: does it matter if you start the installer from the boot option (where you click the button to either Try or Install) or if you start it from the desktop after clicking "Try"?
[01:20] <Crayboff> PatrickDickey: no difference
[01:20] <Tohuw> Crayboff: there is usually a status message near the progress bar. What is the install doing when it hangs? Also, is this system connected to a network?
[01:21] <codephobic> bin_bash, I've found a few instances of nautilus (on a side note, is it normal to have multiple instances of pulse audio?)
[01:21] <Crayboff> Tohuw: there is no progress bar, I click "Continue" and it immediately gets stuck in the wheel thing without changing anything else on the screen
[01:21] <codephobic> do I just kill those instances of nautilus?
[01:21] <bin_bash> codephobic, yes. try killing it.
[01:21] <bin_bash> codephobic, kill the children too
[01:21] <codephobic> :o kill children ...
[01:22] <Guest35211> Could somebody please tell me what is the default value of the input audio pipeline in gstreamer-properties in ubuntu 12.04? I had plugin: custom, device: none, pipeline :"audiosomething", I think, but paying with it replaced the name of the pipeline.
[01:22] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: http://www.admin-magazine.com/Articles/PowerTOP PowerTOP is what I was thinking of. If I remember right, it will allow you to disable the processes from inside of it.
[01:22] <BusyBoxes> pkill nautilus
[01:22] <codephobic> bin_bash, k, I'll go genocidal
[01:22] <bin_bash> codephobic, great
[01:22] <BlueGuy> #ubuntu-server
[01:23] <codephobic> done, killed the bleedin' lot of them
[01:23] <Crayboff> Tohuw it was connected to the network via ethernet cable the first time I tried it today and was installing 12.10. It gave the same problem. I just connected it to a semi reliable hotspot (don't have access to ethernet atm) and can try again, but I don't think that will make a difference
[01:23] <PatrickDickey> KM0201: Nope. I didn't know about !msgthebot
[01:23] <codephobic> bin_bash, now I restart nautilus?
[01:23] <KM0201> PatrickDickey: lol.. :)
[01:23] <PatrickDickey> !msgthebot
[01:24] <PatrickDickey> Awesome. I'll have to use that. Thanks KM0201.
[01:24] <KM0201> no prob...
[01:24] <Crayboff> Tohuw: also noteworthy is that when i wasn't connected to the network, I didn't select the 3rd party or update options, the issue still occurred then
[01:25] <bin_bash> codephobic, yeah
[01:25] <codephobic> bin_bash, do I just type 'nautilus' in a terminal and then close it and close the terminal?
[01:26] <codephobic> nevermind, I was just being ... well, 'anxious' let's say.
[01:26] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: when you close the terminal, it will kill any processes that are running (nautilus in this case). So you'll want to leave the terminal open while you're doing whatever you need in nautilus.
[01:26] <codephobic> ok, time to go investigate the damage...
[01:26] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I ran it via alt+F2
[01:27] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: if everything is alright, my suggestion is to start the move when you get ready for bed (or to leave for a while). That way it's not affecting anything that you're doing.
[01:27] <codephobic> I'm guessing that it's just another terminal that I don't see on the screen
[01:27] <PatrickDickey> codephobic: Alt+F2 is the equivalent of Start --> Run... in Windows.
[01:27] <Tohuw> Crayboff: try passing acpi=off noapic to the installer. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDBootOptions
[01:28] <codephobic> PatrickDickey, I'll do that. I'm just surprised that it was an issue ... I didn't think linux would have problems with it, I could have done it in my Windows 7...
[01:28] <codephobic> ah, I see
[01:28] <codephobic> thanks PatrickDickey, Tohuw :)
[01:28] <Tohuw> yw
[01:28] <PatrickDickey> no problem.
[01:28] <Crayboff> Tohuw: will try now and will report back with the results
[01:29] <codephobic> btw, now that I can see multiple instances of PulseAudio in htop, do you think those are previously crashed instances and would it be ok to kill them? (they seem to be eating some ram 400mb+ of "virtual" (memory?))
[01:31] <codephobic> so far so good, the numbers look ok...
[01:32] <FluxD> Hi, I brought a brand new SSD, burned new ubuntu image and set boot order to optical drive and tried to boot from it to install and it never goes to install step, how can I install it?
[01:32] <Tohuw> codephobic: Typically, yes. Consider trying sudo service pulseaudio restart first.
[01:32] <Tohuw> FluxD: What happens?
[01:32] <codephobic> Tohuw, will do :)
[01:32] <FluxD> Tohuw, I get "operating system not found" message
[01:32] <codephobic> thanks again, time to go sleep ... and restart the transfer.
[01:32] <codephobic> cya
[01:34] <PatrickDickey> Tohuw, does htop tell you if it's a zombie process like System Monitor does?
[01:36] <Tohuw> PatrickDickey: the "S" column in top will display a "Z" for zombie. I don't know if htop does or not; I've never bothered installing it
[01:37] <Guest35211> can somebody using Precise (12.04) check their value of the default input pipeline in the audio tab, please?  (If plugin name is still "custom")
[01:37] <Guest35211> using gstreamer-properties
[01:38] <Tohuw> Guest35211: It's "autoaudiosrc" in 12.10, but I don't have any 12.04 instances of Desktop about anymore.
[01:39] <Crayboff> Guest35211: I have autoaudiosrc in the Default Input Pipeline
[01:39] <Mrokii> anybody else having problems with Sound Juicer since switching to 12.10? For some reason, the button in its preferences to change the quality of the input format has disappeared and I have no clue how to change the xml-config file.
[01:39] <Crayboff> I'm on 12.04
[01:39] <Guest35211> thanks Tohuw and Crayboff!
[01:39] <Crayboff> np
[01:40] <Tohuw> yw
[01:44] <ahmad_> hey guys on ubuntu server 12.10 is there a way to cache unlimited output instead of i think its 500 lines currently?
[01:46] <darsie> I accidently copied /etc/shadow- to /etc/shadow. Is that bad?
[01:48] <Tohuw> ahmad_: #ubuntu-server (your answer is that this would require a kernel recompile; consider using byobu or such)
[01:48] <Crayboff> Tohuw: I selected the acpi=off and noapic options (so a little x was next to them in the boot options). I'm having the same issue of being stuck with the loading wheel
[01:49] <Tohuw> Crayboff: try stepping through this guide (meant for installs, much of it still applies): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11789959
[01:50] <Crayboff> alright will do, I"ll report back if I have any interesting results
[01:55] <Crayboff> Tohuw: the difference between what this thread seems to be saying is that most of the advice is if the live ubuntu doesn't work. However, I can navigate through ubuntu just fine, I just can't go through the steps of installing
[01:57] <samholmes> Hi. My computer cannot sleep or hibernate with ubuntu installed.
[01:57] <Tohuw> Crayboff: That's true; much of it is dedicated to Ubuntu not starting at all. I'm not sure of how to best use apport or something else to hook into the installer process. I suggest reporting this as a bug in Launchpad against ubuntu-installer. Hopefully a response there can guide you further. Good luck!
[01:57] <samholmes> This seems like a common issue with ubuntu on laptops. What's the fix(es)?
[01:58] <Crayboff> Hmmm, alright thanks Tohuw.
[01:58] <Tohuw> samholmes: What happens when you attempt to do so? What graphics driver are you using? What version of Ubuntu, and are you using any uncommon boot options (especially those related to ACPI)
[01:59] <Crayboff> samholmes, I had a similar issue, let me see if i can find the fix that helped me. Whenever I closed my computer to put it to sleep, it would freeze at a black screen and the fan would go on like crazy
[01:59] <Crayboff> dunno if that's your problem, but i'll look for it anyway
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> hi all, i installed xubuntu 12.04.1 with xubuntu-restricted-extras and enabled 'partners' source then tryed both adobe-flashplugin and flashplugin-installer..i still cant play youtube any thoughts?
[02:00] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Are you using Firefox?
[02:00] <samholmes> Tohuw: I just installed ubuntu using wubi, and I'm running 11.10
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:yes mate
[02:01] <Tohuw> samholmes: Consider upgrading. Known ACPI issues are addressed in 12.04+
[02:01] <samholmes> Alright, I'll see how it runs after upgrading.
[02:01] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Does Firefox complain about flash not being present? Is it listed in the plugins list?
[02:01] <samholmes> Wubi installs Ubuntu normally right?
[02:01] <samholmes> No funky tricks?
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:its listen in plugins, youtube just doesnt show the video(blank)
[02:02] <Tohuw> samholmes: No. Wubi installs Ubuntu as a virtual instance inside Windows. This abstraction could be the cause of your issue, but it normally isn't.
[02:02] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Does any flash work?
[02:02] <samholmes> What's a virtual instance?
[02:03] <Ray2> Ubuntu-10.04...I have a deb file when I try to close it...it stays on screen and my desktop partially covers it...I have to open another program  for both to close
[02:03] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:no i dont think so, it all started on latest versions of ubuntu could it be 11.2 flash bug maybe?
[02:03] <Crayboff> samholmes: I'm not using Wubi, so I'm not sure if this will fix your problem, but it's what fixed it for me. I would recommend upgrading first and if you still have the issue try this: http://thecodecentral.com/2011/01/18/fix-ubuntu-10-10-suspendhibernate-not-working-bug
[02:04] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: Yes, it certainly can be. I have resource issues with flash in Firefox currently thanks to 11.2. However, when did it last work?
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:think it worked on ocelot
[02:04] <Tohuw> samholmes: A virtual instance means it runs inside a host, in this case Windows. It's an operating system running inside another operating system.
[02:05] <samholmes> Does the virtual instance make it run slower?
[02:05] <Tohuw> samholmes: Yes.
[02:05] <samholmes> Is it worth installing normally?
[02:05] <samholmes> That is, without the virtual instance?
[02:06] <Tohuw> samholmes: Certainly. It requires some work, but to be free of the consumption of Windows while using Ubuntu is liberating in many ways.
[02:06] <lotuspsychje> Ray2: you could also consider clean installing 12.04.1 or 12.10
[02:07] <samholmes> Tohuw: What appeals to me with linux is the posix system, I would prefer a Mac over Linux, but I don't have the cash right now to spend.
[02:07] <samholmes> I've been facepalming a lot using windows and developing using Node.js.
[02:07] <jaysonr> Tohuw: Wubi does not create a Virtual machine
[02:07] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: I'd be curious to know if chromium can play flash for you, and further curious if you purged Firefox and reinstalled it; if it would work
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:would be nice to easy roll back to previous flash version
[02:08] <ChrisPartridge> samholmes: it's a lot better than what it used to be (re node and windows)
[02:08] <jaysonr> Wubi uses a Disk image - only the Disk is virtualized, the OS run in bare metal
[02:08] <Tohuw> jaysonr: I'm aware, it uses a Loopback mounted file system. It is still hosted in a sense. Virtual is not limited to VMs.
[02:08] <samholmes> However, I'm having trouble getting use to ubuntu because of the strange file structure (abbr. as hell)
[02:08] <jaysonr> Tohuw: no, very different
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i installed chrome and says shockwave flash plugin missing(but did not uninstall all flash)
[02:08] <jaysonr> A VM would be running via a hypervisor - you can boot many OSes from VHD's, that doesn't make it a virtual machine
[02:08] <samholmes> ChrisPartridge: It's not just node. It's things like redis and such. Usually software is designed for linux first, then later adopted on Windows.
[02:09] <samholmes> Because I'm developing for a linux VPS, it makes more sense to test on a linux environment.
[02:09] <Tohuw> jaysonr: Very different, but Windows still hosts Wubi.
[02:10] <jaysonr> Tohuw: no it doesn't - The Windows bootloader boots the VHD - that's it's only involvement
[02:10] <samholmes> Other things that both me is the GUI of linux. It's all old and out-date (which appeals to most linux users for some reason). I prefer Gnome 3 (which linux users loath, for some reason). But, I feel gnome 3 can be better.
[02:10] <jaysonr> Tohuw: once booted, it's running on bare metal - from the disk image.
[02:11] <samholmes> I wish I could be more apart of the community and contribute to the Gnome project. But I found it difficult to orient myself to how to do so. Maybe the organization of bugs and contribution applications have improved.
[02:12] <Tohuw> jaysonr: Fair enough, and a worthwhile distinction. I'll be sure to be more explicit about this in the future, and spend time reading about lupin. I do still stand by the point that transitioning from Wubi to a more typical install is worthwhile. Thank you for your corrections!
[02:13] <Tohuw> samholmes: this is an interesting and worthwhile topic, but for the sake of channel traffic, may I suggest #ubuntu-offtopic? I'd be happy to discuss this with you further there, as I imagine some others would be as well.
[02:13] <eliteprodigy> Okay, My machine is 100% up to date, but every single time I try to Switch Users I get a black screen. And it sits there. Forever. Until I hit Ctrl + Alt + Del then two lines of text pop up real quick and then it restarts or whatever but I usually end up having to restart the computer from the Box.
[02:13] <eliteprodigy> How can I fix this/Troubleshoot it?
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:would be interesting to check /var/log/syslog on that logout time
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:does the first login boot without problems?
[02:15] <eliteprodigy> lotuspsychje: YEah.
[02:16] <eliteprodigy> Everything else is working great, but I cannot switch users.
[02:16] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: What video driver are you using? Whenever switching sessions results in display problems, the #1 culprit is the display driver.
[02:16] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw:  How do I check?
[02:17] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: lspci | grep -i vga
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> /var/log/syslog
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> Gr.
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> david@poseidon:~$ lspci | grep -i vga
[02:17] <eliteprodigy> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]
[02:19] <Tohuw> Ah, Radeon HD. ATI's attempt at sado-satire for the Linux user. Hold on, eliteprodigy. Someone fixed this not that long ago, let me dig.
[02:19] <ariane5> where i find game channel ?
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> !alis | ariane5
[02:19] <ariane5> ok
[02:21] <chase> Is there any way to make the dash not take up 75% of my screen when I open it? I googled around...couldn't find anything.
[02:21] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Some light reading: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11781573 and the bad news: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=343 and make sure you add yourself to the affected of this bug, and it may be worth following: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/+bug/876242
[02:21] <bin_bash> Does anyone ehre use systemd?
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> chase:maybe in compiz manager settings unity plugin?
[02:21] <wastrel> how to toggle launcher visibility from command line
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> !info systemd
[02:22] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, I have ubotto on ignore because it's abusive spam.
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> bin_bash:it doesnt show package info
[02:23] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, people use it to PM others and that's pretty offensive, imo
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> bin_bash:maybe share your issue with us mate, might be someone that can help
[02:24] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, oh I was just curious if anyone was using systemd
[02:24] <ariane5> can i install ubuntu on old pc ?
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> bin_bash:what does it do exactly?
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> ariane5: try lubuntu or xubuntu
[02:25] <bin_bash> lotuspsychje, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
[02:25] <Tohuw> ariane5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[02:25] <ariane5> pentium III ?
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:how much ram do you have and wich grafix card?
[02:26] <Tohuw> ariane5: Probably pushing it a bit, but Xubuntu or Lubuntu might work out.
[02:27] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: So basically this hasn't been fixed and it never will be?
[02:27] <ariane5> 512
[02:27] <ariane5> voodoo3
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:it sometimes help pasting your bug to #ubuntu-bugs
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:like Tohuw says better install lubuntu or xubuntu will be lighter for your system
[02:28] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> How do I Extract a bz2 file on Ubuntu ?
[02:28] <chase> I can change launcher icon size in compiz, but not the size of the icons inside the dash when it opens.
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !bz2
[02:28] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: :'( Your solution is to fallback to Gnome Classic (blech) or get non-ati hardware. ATI has made it clear they don't care.
[02:29] <wastrel> ati used to be better than nvidia
[02:29] <ariane5> can i install java and flash ?
[02:29] <wastrel> a long time ago
[02:29] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: So I can't use Gnome 3?
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:yes flash should work on lubuntu an xubuntu
[02:30] <wastrel> is there a way to toggle the hide behavior of the unity launcher in 12.10, preferably command line
[02:30] <ariane5> say that is not good to instal this on linux
[02:30] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> tar -jxf tcl_archive.tcl?mode=download         Does Not Work ~
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:what do you mean?
[02:30] <chase> wastrel: I just ran across autohide in compizconfig settings
[02:30] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Correct. Or Unity. Not if you want fast user switching. My advice: ditch fast user switching.
[02:31] <ariane5> system work no stabile
[02:31] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: How? How do I switch users after?
[02:31] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: enclose that filename in quotes.
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]>  I have
[02:31] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: log out, log the new user in
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> and then with single quotes
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> ariane5:that would be untrue, your system will be more stable then ever!
[02:31] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: what happens?
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> it says it is not a tar
[02:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> type
[02:31] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: He has a pentium III :P
[02:31] <chase> I really like the unity launcher bar, but the dash, once it opens...is so slow and takes up the entire screen....I don't get what's wrong with just a list of applications.
[02:32] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], escape the ? perhaps
[02:32] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: But that's impossible, it destroys any kind of productivity I've gained by switching to Ubuntu.
[02:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> let me see
[02:32] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: Why is it that switch user works in Win 7 but not here?
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i installed xubuntu on very old systems, working fast and flawless
[02:32] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: Well, is it?
[02:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> nope didnt work
[02:32] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: ATI cares about Windows.
[02:32] <wastrel> chase: i'd like something quicker than launching ccsm and drilling down to that
[02:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> tar -jxf "tcl_archive.tclmode=download&id=1668"
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> tcl is eggdrop
[02:33] <ariane5> p3 in basemant :)
[02:33] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Yes
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> u not trying to unpack a tcl?
[02:33] <chase> wastrel: Customization sucks in unity, unfortunately, from what I have seen.
[02:33] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> I do want to extract it
[02:33] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: you appear to be trying to extract something that is not a tar archive.
[02:33] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: I guess I just don't know enough low-level programming to understand why it matters which OS is running. :S
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> the tcl is packed in bz2?
[02:33] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], filename looks sort of broken
[02:34] <ariane5> its dust
[02:34] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> bzip2 -d "tcl_archive.tclmode=download&id=1668"
[02:34] <eliteprodigy> It just doesn't make sense to me.
[02:34] <ariane5> i thing to active this pc
[02:34] <ariane5> think
[02:34] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Do you want the download Link @ zl2tod?
[02:35] <lotuspsychje>   [_-S1L3NC3-_]:did you install rar?
[02:35] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], wget thedownloadlink then tar -jxf downloadedfilename
[02:35] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Display drivers are OS-specific. When you use Windows, you are using entirely different software to talk to your video card than you use in Linux. ATI makes stuff work in Windows, but fglrx is horribly neglected in Linux. Always has been, and (I expect) will be for the forseeable future.
[02:36] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> i have tod
[02:36] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> i even dwnloaded it within quotes "
[02:36] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> rar? anyway to find out
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:you can try 'nomodeset' and test out if users wont go blank
[02:36] <eliteprodigy> lotuspsychje: nomodeset?
[02:36] <lotuspsychje>  [_-S1L3NC3-_]: sudo apt-get install rar
[02:37] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: It's not a bz2 format. You will not be able to extract it that way. Can file-roller open it? If it's a rar, try installing rar.
[02:37] <zl2tod> [_-S1L3NC3-_], type rar
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | eliteprodigy
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> cmd not found @ tod
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> then i dont
[02:37] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  I am sorry I just walked into this but what are the system specs  ?
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> !info rar |  [_-S1L3NC3-_]
[02:37] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: modeset isn't his problem. This is a known fglrx issue with fast user switching.
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[02:37] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ty
[02:38] <bobweaver> !info p7zip-full
[02:38] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> anyway to use apt-get but lightweight mode?
[02:38] <bobweaver> !info p7zip-rar
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i bet its a compis thing crashing on other users...might he be testing out without compiz?
[02:38] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> im running low on Ram
[02:38] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: HP p7 AMD Athlon II 650 3.2GHZ 8Gb DDR3
[02:38] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[02:38] <bobweaver> What !
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:39] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: With Gnome 3
[02:40] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  lol I think that I am reading the log wrong but that thing is not booting ?
[02:40] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: Switching users takes me to just a black screen.
[02:40] <eliteprodigy> Sometimes.
[02:41] <wastrel> is there a way to query and change compiz plugin settings from the command line then?
[02:41] <Tohuw> lotuspsychje: It's very likely fglrx's 3d acceleration doing what it does: failing. This issue is reproducible in Gnome 3, which does not use compiz.
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:did you try unity2 on users?
[02:42] <eliteprodigy> Hitting Ctrl + Alt + Del displays 2 lines of text and restarts, where it usually hangs for a long time on the Ubuntu screen.
[02:42] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  what does keyboard -> shortcuts say that is assigned to ?
[02:43] <eliteprodigy> lotuspsychje: You mean the Unity desktop session? I can't remember if it was doing this when I was using Unity still or not.
[02:43] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Ctrl + Alt + Del sends a reboot message. The two lines of text are the shutdown broadcast messages.
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> Tohuw:i know ati got bad support, but im more like to test just everything to make things sure
[02:44] <eliteprodigy> bobweaver: Where do I check that?
[02:44] <Tohuw> bobweaver: This is not controlled by Gnome preferences, but rather LightDM. He is successfully exiting to LightDM, he just can't see it.
[02:44] <eliteprodigy> And why is it important?
[02:45] <bobweaver> so you are saying that there is bug in gnome-sessions-quit ?  that is what ctrl+alt+delete does for me
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> bobweaver:Tohuw posted the bug above on this issue
[02:46] <Tohuw> bobweaver: Presss ctrl+alt+delete in LightDM (the login screen).
[02:47] <eliteprodigy> What I don't understand is if Windows can make the ATI cards work, why can't Ubuntu? It's not like MS has created some super secret version of C++ that magically works with graphics cards or display drivers or whatever.
[02:48] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: You're thinking of it backwards. ATI makes the card work. The source code and firmware on the cards are secret.
[02:48] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: But it's working on top of code, with code.  I can't get my head around it.
[02:48] <Tohuw> This is like me asking you to paint the Mona Lisa with the perfection of DaVinci, but giving you crayons and breaking your wrists first.
[02:49] <eliteprodigy> It frustrates me when I can't get my head around things.
[02:49] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:49] <eliteprodigy> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: apt-get update
[02:50] <OerHeks> !unrar
[02:50] <eliteprodigy> Try updating your repos or whatever we call them.
[02:50] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[02:50] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> E: Package 'rar' has no installation candidate
[02:51] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> after i updated
[02:51] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: Video cards contain firmware. This firmware needs instructions to render graphics. These instructions have to know everything about the firmware. Because the firmware is not open source, only ATI knows how to make software that can talk to it properly. Because ATI did not do a good job with fglrx and refuses to let others have enough information to help, you are in this situation
[02:51] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: the package name is unrar
[02:52] <eliteprodigy> Tohuw: The only way that makes sense is if there's a line of code that's like #IF OS != WINDOWS { Generate.Pseudo.Random.Behaviour(); }
[02:52] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> ok
[02:52] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> nope wont work either
[02:52] <crimsonmane> correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't 7zip the all-pupose free (as in speech AND beer) archive program that works even on .rar files?
[02:52] <bazhang> eliteprodigy, Tohuw this has strayed way offtopic. take it to PM or #ubuntu-offtopic Please
[02:52] <bobweaver> crimsonmane,  correct it is great !
[02:52] <Tohuw> eliteprodigy: You are making vast assumptions about how graphics rendering works. I am trying my best to explain to you that it is very OS specific. We can discuss further in #ubuntu-offtopic if you like.
[02:52] <eliteprodigy> bazhang: I just want my bloody computer to work.
[02:53]  * eliteprodigy breaks down and cries.
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> eliteprodigy:i got an old ati x800 running flawless on precise 64bit, so ati driver works on many boxes
[02:53] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> 7 zi p?
[02:53] <OerHeks> crimsonmane, yes, only extract
[02:53] <bazhang> eliteprodigy, this is not the place to chit chat. take it elsewhere
[02:53] <bobweaver> !info p7zip-full > crimsonmane
[02:54] <crimsonmane> eliteprodigy: might i suggest you google for your local LUG - Linux User Group - where you might find great help from people who can actually touch your computer and result in better assistance than IRC can offer?
[02:54] <eliteprodigy> bazhang: I wasn't really aware me trying to understand why my computer isn't working as expected was chit chat.
[02:55] <eliteprodigy> Does connonical offer premium support?
[02:55] <crimsonmane> yes, for a price
[02:55] <eliteprodigy> Good.
[02:55] <bobweaver> eliteprodigy,  yes
[02:55] <crimsonmane> you pay per tech support call
[02:55] <crimsonmane> ok bye
[02:55] <bazhang> he's gone
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[03:07] <rexwin_> hi, sudo apt-get install euca* doesnot download and install the appropriate packages, what can i do now?
[03:07] <foobArrr> where can I see when a package was updated to a newer version in the repository and what was changed? where do I find older version?
[03:09] <trism> foobArrr: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/package_name/+publishinghistory
[03:09] <trism> foobArrr: for source packages that is
[03:10] <foobArrr> trism: thanks
[03:11] <foobArrr> are source packages and binary packages released around the same time?
[03:12] <samurai2> hi how to make a for loop in shell script? thanks :)
[03:12] <Tohuw> samurai2: #bash
[03:12] <samurai2> I make something like below but it doesn't work :
[03:12] <trism> foobArrr: binary packages are built from source packages, I just meant you need to have the name of the source package for the url I posted, the binary package is a different path
[03:13] <samurai2> for (( i=1; $i <= 10; i++ )
[03:13] <samurai2> do
[03:13] <samurai2>     echo $i
[03:13] <samurai2> done
[03:13] <FloodBot1> samurai2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:13] <foobArrr> trism: ok, thank you
[03:14] <trism> samurai2: I like: for i in {1..10}; do echo $i; done; just cause it is easier to type
[03:14] <Derrick1> I'm trying to use ubuntu on my computer. I'm using wubi to install it, but each time I try to boot it, it says something about windows not loading correctly.
[03:15] <[NM]entropy> brb upgrading mirc
[03:15] <fego> samurai2: donot use $i on the first line
[03:15] <samurai2> trism : but if it's 100 elements, it will be too long.
[03:16] <samurai2> fego : ok, I'll try it
[03:16] <fego> samurai2: it is a C style for loop,there is foreach loop also avaiable in bash
[03:17] <bobweaver> samurai2, where is the ) ?
[03:17] <bobweaver> in the for loop ?
[03:17] <bobweaver> the 2nd one ?
[03:17] <wilee-nilee> Derrick1, Here is a wubi wiki link defaulting to cannot boot into ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#Cannot_boot_into_Ubuntu
[03:17] <samurai2> bobweaver : sorry wrong typo, but even I write with ))
[03:17] <samurai2> still not working, it always said Bad for loop variable
[03:18] <trism> samurai2: not really, I just did 10000 with no problems
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> Derrick1, Wubi is not a install that is much covered here sometimes a new install might be the answer if it is a fresh install.
[03:19] <fego> samurai2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304113/
[03:19] <samurai2> o by the way, I put my file name like forLoop.sh
[03:20] <fego> samurai2: anything you eish, it is still a rose :)
[03:20] <fego> wish*
[03:20] <samurai2> fego : but it still gave me Bad for loop variable
[03:21] <fego> samurai2: what version of bash?
[03:21] <rexwin_> i want to install euca2ools on JEOS, can somebody help with me with that?
[03:21] <fego> samurai2: bash --version
[03:22] <samurai2> fego : GNU bash, version 4.2.24(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[03:23] <fego> samurai2: i am also running the same version ,works fine for me
[03:23] <fego> Csyle for loops work in bash >= 4.0
[03:23] <fego> samurai2: can you please post the exact error you are getting
[03:23] <bobweaver> samurai2,  you have read this ?  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/018
[03:24] <samurai2> fego : forLoop.sh: 3: forLoop.sh: Syntax error: Bad for loop variable
[03:25] <samurai2> bobweaver : I think I know my problem is, because I put my filename end with .sh extension so it doesn't work
[03:25] <samurai2> if I rename it into forLoop only
[03:25] <samurai2> it will run
[03:26] <fego> samurai2: try bash forLoop.sh
[03:26] <bobweaver> samurai2,  you have asked also in #bash
[03:26] <bobweaver> no need for .sh at extentionj for bash
[03:26] <bobweaver> that is confusing Oo
[03:27] <fego> of use #!/bin/bash as the first line in your script
[03:27] <fego> or*
[03:27] <bobweaver> that is why env looks for it in shebang (if using env) #!/usr/bin/env bash
[03:27] <fego> extensions are irrelevant in unix
[03:27] <SuperMiguel> if im doing a raid 1 boot, where should i put my boot loader?
[03:27] <samurai2> fego : ok, I'll try that
[03:27] <bobweaver> fego,  none the less they are confusing :)
[03:28] <fego> you can use .sh , but make sure you are telling the script which interpeter(bash,ksh,sh) to use
[03:28] <bobweaver> +1
[03:29] <bobweaver> sh is for ksh correct ?
[03:29] <fego> Bourne shell bobweaver
[03:29] <bobweaver> exstention ?
[03:29] <fego> yes normally
[03:29] <fego> .sh -- bourne shell
[03:29] <samurai2> fego : o ic, so bash has more command than sh? :)
[03:29] <fego> .ksh -- korn
[03:30] <fego> yes specially bash >= 4.0
[03:30] <samurai2> fego : bash -> born again shell, so if he born again, it should be better :)
[03:30] <fego> it is bourne again shell, not "born" samurai2
[03:31] <Tohuw> "Bourne Again Shell" It's a pun.
[03:31] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> still cant extract tcl_archive.tcl?mode=download&id=1668
[03:31] <bobweaver> what do you know a MIT Pun Oo
[03:31] <fredson> i want to reinstall the grub bootloader on my comp after a windows install wiped it out
[03:31] <samurai2> fego : so any command in .sh will still work on bash but not vice versa. I got it. thanks :)
[03:31] <bobweaver> fredson,  boot live cd mount ubuntu drive and install grub
[03:32] <bobweaver> onto ubuntu partition
[03:32] <Tohuw> [_-S1L3NC3-_]: The file isn't an archive any of those handlers recognize. Contact the site operator or file owner.
[03:32] <[_-S1L3NC3-_]> all the files within the eggdrop tcl site are labeled that way and i've been able to extactu sing tar- xf file         just not this one
[03:32] <morphias> well hello there people
[03:32] <fredson> my goal is to get to a grub prompt so i can follow the instructions here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[03:33] <bobweaver> fredson,  I had the same troubl as you there is form post on it I will dig up
[03:33] <fredson> i went to a bash terminal and ubuntu and typed in sudo grub, but it says 'command not found'
[03:33] <fego> samurai2: you still need to refer to the documentation to be sure, but yes majority of bourne shell commands, built-in s work in bash
[03:34] <bobweaver> fredson,  What !! where is this tutorial ?
[03:35] <fredson> bobweaver http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[03:35] <bobweaver> No that is all wrong
[03:35] <bobweaver> there is a much easier way fredson
[03:35] <fredson> grub-install?
[03:36] <Tohuw> fredson: That article is very outdated. GRUB is now a rather different beast.
[03:36] <Tohuw> As a general rule, avoid using help articles more than a year old. (The one you linked is from
[03:36] <Tohuw> 3/22/07)
[03:36] <Kardos> but is it the same animal, and a different beast?
[03:37] <fredson> i'm running xubuntu 11.10 on my comp, i think it's an older version of grub too
[03:37] <Tohuw> fredson: That article still won't help you.
[03:37] <bobweaver> fredson,  Please read  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1851164
[03:38] <Tohuw> Alternatively, there is a Wiki article on this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:38] <jiohua> first time here
[03:39] <fredson> grub install says it succeeded, now i just need to reboot
[03:40] <fredson> thank you so much
[03:40] <morphias> can someone here point me somewhere? i am learning C++ in school and I am getting comfortable with programming.  i would like to contribute to ubuntu but i want to know how i would go about doing so...
[03:41] <bobweaver> C++ Ubuntu TV is going to be looking for help with C++
[03:41] <bobweaver> morphias,  ^^
[03:41] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is also nux and what not and Unity that is C++
[03:42] <fego> morphias: in which area you want to contribute ,
[03:42] <bobweaver> Install qtcreator and have at it morphias . what kinda things are you thinking that you would like to work on for fun ?
[03:42] <ESphynx> morphias how about learning eC and contributing to the IDE, compiler or GUI toolkit :P It just got into Ubuntu :P
[03:43] <fego> if you wish to develop UI stuffs , then you can see python
[03:43] <morphias> uhm... wow lots of responses
[03:43] <bobweaver> fego,  Oo
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> I did an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 rather than a clean install ... it seemed to work ok, however when i attempt to do a update through update manager, it says ( Failed to download repository information - chech your internet connection ) DETAILS : W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> , W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:44] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is a thing called Harvest it is used to track bugs
[03:44] <morphias> i am kindof the person that loves working with things similar to windows C# forms and also i thought the Unity would be cool
[03:44] <Tex_Nick> I plan on doing a clean install in the next day or so ... but would first like to learn the reason for this problem.
[03:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  you can use this to find things that you want to fix in Ubuntu if you like
[03:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[03:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  if you like Unity then you would like to drop in for UDS ?
[03:46] <morphias> whats UDS?
[03:46] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[03:46] <bobweaver> you can register and hang out for remote tour if you like.
[03:46] <bobweaver> morphias,  ^^
[03:47] <bobweaver> there are even tracks and what not that you can watch and learn from and learn how the community operates morphias
[03:47] <johnjacobjingerh> christ almighty... 9 hours so far to edit my partition tables
[03:47] <johnjacobjingerh> gah
[03:47] <morphias> i wont be able to do the UDS... i would love to but can't :(
[03:47] <johnjacobjingerh> gparted is still cranking away
[03:48] <morphias> but im looking at the harvest
[03:48] <morphias> havent seen that b4
[03:48] <bobweaver> morphias,  you can do UDS via remotely
[03:49] <morphias> do you still need to register?
[03:49] <bobweaver> with Irc channels and also audio and visual for some
[03:49] <bobweaver> morphias,  If you want to have a say in things
[03:49] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is a pad that is used called etherpad
[03:50] <bobweaver> or something like that inorder to use that you must be registered on LP and what not  (I think)
[03:51] <bobweaver> morphias,   http://uds.ubuntu.com/community/remote-participation/
[03:51] <ahmad_> i have a question guys
[03:51] <morphias> i am on the register page... i see it now
[03:52] <ahmad_> if i am putting a command in rc.local  such as  'sudo mount -t vboxsf shared /home/openstack/host' how do i get around the asking for command problem?
[03:52] <ahmad_> asking for the password* i mean
[03:53] <morphias> do they do summits in the USA?
[03:53] <bobweaver> morphias,  when looking at the scedual Unity is "Desktop " and there is a UbuntuTV Community meeting also
[03:53] <bobweaver> morphias,  Yes and if you do your fair share Ubuntu (canonical) will pay for you to go !
[03:53] <morphias> sweet!
[03:53] <bobweaver> morphias,  where-ever it is
[03:54] <ahmad_> oh nvm doesn't ask for password :| wierd
[03:55] <bobweaver> morphias,  I am going to UDS because of Work in UbuntuTV     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgQpS8F6_o
[03:55] <bobweaver> C++ ^^
[03:55] <bobweaver> qt and qml
[03:55] <Loshki> ahmad_: that's because rc.local runs as root, so the sudo doesn't have to ask for a password....
[03:55] <bobweaver> python and also some bash
[03:56] <bobweaver> morphias,  so in a round about way Ubuntu as a distro Rocks by far ?Bar none above others and treating there community members great. For real they Do.
[03:57] <morphias> cool
[03:57] <bobweaver> No other distro I give code to.  That's what I get for butting in. Night!
[04:00] <bobweaver> it is QT and qt-quick or qml or what ever you ant to call it
[04:01] <morphias> what can I find for a todo list with unity?
[04:01] <bobweaver> qml is super cool but with libunity no longer suporting it and also dee moving away ksh is all I got to say to that
[04:01] <opti> short query, does ubuntu 12.10 use hardware accelerated AES on cpu's that support it?
[04:02] <opti> for ssh/rsync and the like
[04:02] <bobweaver> morphias,  I suggest reading the wiki page real short http://unity.ubuntu.com/
[04:02] <bobweaver> morphias,  are you opengl person by chance ?
[04:03] <bobweaver> morphias,  there is also a api coming real real real soon about LibNUX and other C++ libs
[04:03] <morphias> i have converted from doing directx projects on windows about a year ago to stopped doing programming just to learn linux and start learning other languages outside of .NET
[04:03] <morphias> been trying to pick up on opengl here and there
[04:04] <bobweaver> morphias,  I also worked a .NET / visual basic / asp classic
[04:05] <SouravAJ> new user cant start x server it giving me the error xauth timeout in locking authority file .xauthority how to fix this?
[04:05] <chaotix> hi guys  :)
[04:05] <SouravAJ> i am using backtrak5
[04:05] <chaotix> im setting up my htpc...  its a low end pos computer, but its all i have available for the task, and it is this or look at a blue screen on my hdtv lol.....   i am going to be using xbmc a lot, i really like it...  but for my distro i havent made any decisions yet...  i would like some input please
[04:05] <bobweaver> fun stuff but there is qt and qml and C++ and javascript which = the bomb
[04:05] <bobweaver> morphias, ^^
[04:05] <chaotix> SouravAJ, prepare to get flamed, or ubottu'd
[04:05] <chaotix> lol
[04:05] <chaotix> sorry bud been there
[04:06] <bobweaver> SouravAJ,  /join #blackbuntu
[04:06] <chaotix> good distro, but even the ubunto-offtopic crowd will ubottu you for mentioning backtrack
[04:06] <chaotix> :P
[04:06] <kunji> SouravAJ: you probably just need to add the new user to the right group
[04:06] <bobweaver> what happened to nbuntu ?
[04:06] <Natural> hello
[04:06] <chaotix> i was thinking xubuntu, with the medibuntu repos...  or maybe mythbuntu, but i havent the slightest clue about running myth tv
[04:07] <webfox> Is there a word for 'winsock' at Linux ?
[04:07] <bobweaver> SouravAJ,  Backbox is also great
[04:07] <kunji> chaotix: well, doesn't backtrack have their own irc channel?  I thought they did.
[04:07] <chaotix> what u guys think i should use for it
[04:07] <chaotix> i was just playing...
[04:07] <bobweaver> SouravAJ,  they also have repo and so do I for pen testing tools if you like
[04:07] <chaotix> about bt
[04:08] <bobweaver> chaotix,  there is a backend ad a front end
[04:08] <bobweaver> think of it like that
[04:08] <bobweaver> backend = mysql
[04:08] <SouravAJ> is there any solution for this
[04:08] <chaotix> id rather not go with myth i think...
[04:08] <bobweaver> there is also plugins for Unity for front end chaotix
[04:09] <kunji> chaotix: I actually wouldn't worry about what distro too much, personally I don't care much as long as it's using a debian based package manager :P
[04:09] <chaotix> the computer is a real pos
[04:09] <bobweaver> it is easy to use chaotix
[04:09] <morphias> bobweaver, i got QT Creator installed... is there anything in particular that i should accomplish? ( i am bad at finding stuff for myself to do but good at doing what others ask me to attempt)
[04:10] <chaotix> mostly i am going to be using xbmc, but i want to have the stuff there when i need it...   basically right now i am wondering lxde or xfce to go with
[04:10] <chaotix> i have used both and they are okay
[04:10] <chaotix> havent used lubuintu for long however
[04:11] <chaotix> and have experienced a few crashes, off a almost fresh install
[04:11] <Tex_Nick> when i attemp to upgrade 12.10 through update manager I get an http 404 error ... how do I fix that ?
[04:11] <chaotix> it is a virtual box tho
[04:11] <kunji> I like LXDE better, but it's personal preference
[04:11] <bobweaver> morphias,  you can use bzr to get Unity source code I wrote about it I will get link
[04:12] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/181474/now-that-i-built-unity-how-do-i-install-it/196023#196023
[04:13] <samurai2> for example I have ten files with names dir_1, dir_2, ... dir 10, dir 11. How to make a match using grep to only return file with 1 or 10, but not both? thanks :)
[04:13] <bobweaver> samurai2, use find
[04:14] <chaotix> is there a good channel i could be discussing this topic in besides ubuntu-ot??  theres no one over there right now
[04:14] <bobweaver> samurai2,  with regex like {1..10}
[04:15] <samurai2> bobweaver : thanks :)
[04:15] <bobweaver> samurai2,  you can also call regex in grep and diferent regex at that
[04:16] <bobweaver> samurai2,  man grep
[04:20] <fego> samurai2 and bobweaver ,{} is brace expansion unlike regex
[04:21] <SouravAJ> is this backtrak irc i typed /join #backtrack-linux but it jumped back in ubuntu
[04:22] <bobweaver> !backtrack | SouravAJ
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> SouravAJ, You can't join backtrack in root.
[04:23] <fego> hot heels he has
[04:23] <morphias> bobweaver, okay im downloading the dependencies now. i saw this basically gets me setup to develop unity in QT.  now is there any web page with like bugs, proposed features, etc for unity?
[04:23] <bobweaver> morphias,  Yes there is Ubuntu Harvest
[04:24] <bobweaver> morphias,  http://harvest.ubuntu.com/
[04:25] <morphias> yeah i have been looking on there and i am trying to find unity
[04:26] <morphias> wait nvm... i had a filter
[04:26] <morphias> now that guy said that qt is for 2d?
[04:26] <morphias> should i consult unity-2d then?
[04:26] <bobweaver> morphias,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity
[04:27] <bobweaver> morphias,  the toturial that I was talking about was for wither qt (unity 2d) or C++/Nux(unity 3d )
[04:28] <bobweaver> either way you can open CMakeList.txt with qtcreator morphias
[04:28] <morphias> cool
[04:28] <bobweaver> for Unity{1..}
[04:28] <bobweaver> er
[04:28] <bobweaver> for Unity{2..3}
[04:28] <bobweaver> morphias,  Unity is real easy to hack
[04:29] <bobweaver> just depends on what kinda  lang you want to rock
[04:29] <bobweaver> Like there is also GO and what not
[04:29] <bobweaver> which is kinda like C++
[04:30] <bobweaver> morphias,  maybe libNux and Ubuntu TV ?
[04:30] <bobweaver> interface will be wrote at a soon point
[04:33] <morphias> sounds interesting
[04:34] <morphias> im doing a test build in QT right now
[04:34] <morphias> but yeah i love learning new things
[04:34] <bobweaver> morphias,  I will try and find api that mhall119  is building
[04:34] <morphias> if you got stuff bobweaver ill definatly indulge on it
[04:35] <morphias> omg ... unity taking a while on my little i3 lappy
[04:35] <bobweaver> morphias,  It is 100 of C++ pages
[04:36] <bobweaver> glib ect it is amazig in the scheme of things ;)
[04:36] <morphias> bobweaver, is it normal to download source code that has compilation errors?
[04:36] <bobweaver> Like to have One Uni-i-fied interface
[04:37] <bobweaver> sometimes what are errors ? on make you are saying ?
[04:37] <bobweaver> think unity is bad try kde lxde ect
[04:37] <bobweaver> is it the flag for a unused lens ? for lens.cpp
[04:37] <bobweaver> ?
[04:37] <Scott_S> morphias, In general downloaded source code, as long as it states it is stable, will not have compilation errors.
[04:38] <bobweaver> errors are differnet then warnings
[04:38] <bobweaver> No errors in unity 3d or 2d
[04:38] <morphias> i used the walkthrough and got a "has no member named" error and the run stopped
[04:39] <bobweaver> 2 warnings   Kde no errors 256 warnings
[04:39] <bobweaver> morphias,  what walkthrough
[04:40] <Scott_S> Warning can refer to unsafe data types (e.g. Not specifying the type of data an array will contain), and they can also refer to 'friendly reminders' from the compiler.
[04:40] <morphias> http://askubuntu.com/questions/181474/now-that-i-built-unity-how-do-i-install-it/196023#196023 that one
[04:40] <morphias> how do i get it to run ignoring the warnings from QT?
[04:40] <bobweaver> what step morphias  ?
[04:40] <Scott_S> morphias, Generally you do not want to suppress warnings.
[04:40] <bobweaver> !screenshot | morphias
[04:43] <morphias> http://imagebin.org/233187
[04:43] <bobweaver> Oo
[04:43] <morphias> i clicked the run button and it did that ...
[04:44] <Scott_S> morphias: That is stating that the method does not exist in that class.
[04:44] <Scott_S> morphias: Have you downloaded and libraries that need to be linked for the compilation?
[04:44] <bobweaver> morphias,  where is soruce from apt-get or bzr ?
[04:44] <morphias> bzr
[04:45] <bobweaver> Scott_S, sudo apt-get build-deps unity      should do that
[04:45] <bobweaver> morphias,  do you have pastebinit installed ?
[04:45] <morphias> no but i could install it :)
[04:46] <Scott_S> bobweaver: You'd think so, but nothing is flawless. That error refers to a non-existent method, which means something is missing.
[04:46] <morphias> i did do build-deps unity
[04:46] <bobweaver> Scott_S,  then there is bug and should be reported
[04:47] <bobweaver> morphias,   apt-cache search unity |pastebinit      let us see the link
[04:48] <bobweaver> er
[04:49] <bobweaver> morphias,  apt-cache policy unity | pastebinit     let us see the link *
[04:50] <morphias> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304186/
[04:50] <morphias> hey check this out...
[04:50] <morphias> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1068033
[04:52] <bobweaver> morphias,  then  check the CMakeList.list make sure that it is checking fr it
[04:52] <bobweaver> CMakeList.txt *
[04:54] <bobweaver> make sure in the shared Lib but that would be in the Configuration ..... Are you sure that there was not any Cmake errors when configureing morphias
[04:56] <bobweaver> morphias,   you can also join us on #ubuntu-tv
[04:56] <morphias> okay
[04:56] <morphias> i didnt get any cmake error
[04:57] <samurai2> hi there I used while loop in shell and it's still doesn't work, I do something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304189/, but it's said :
[04:57] <samurai2> 1
[04:57] <samurai2> addDir.sh: 4: [: expr: unexpected operator
[04:57] <vp18> does anyone on here have failed depository thing when doing  updates?
[05:00] <wilee-nilee> vp18, How and where/when do you get fails, pastebin this if you can.
[05:00] <Tex_Nick> vp18 : do you mean a http 404 error ?
[05:01] <Jordan_U> samurai2: "set -x" is a great debugging tool for the shell, I think you'll see the problem when you add "set -x".
[05:01] <samurai2> Jordan_U : thanks.
[05:01] <Jordan_U> samurai2: You're welcome.
[05:03] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : I think I'm having the same issue as vp18 ... when trying to update 12.10 through update manager
[05:04] <blue_> Whats up everybody, Does anyone know anything about JIRCii their website is http://www.oldschoolirc.com I'm just having a hard time installing it.
[05:04] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, Run a update in the terminal and pastebin all the text?
[05:04] <thomedy> okay i have gimp
[05:04] <thomedy> i am trying to install gp
[05:04] <thomedy> gap
[05:05] <thomedy> i ran rsycn  and also maned what it does and ithought that it was going to install it but i dont seem to have gap
[05:05] <Jordan_U> samurai2: Also note that for iterating through numbers a for loop is *much* more sane.
[05:08] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : i'm running a dual boot box ... presently in M-$0ft os ... let me reboot into ubuntu and give you some info
[05:08] <blue_> Are you guys seeing what I type I just want to make sure x chat is working right
[05:08] <Jordan_U> blue_: Yes, we see you.
[05:08] <blue_> kool thanks bro
[05:09] <blue_> but do you guys know anything about JIRCii
[05:11] <Jordan_U> blue_: If nobody has an answer to your question, then nobody will answer. With so many people in the channel having everyone say "I don't know about that" when someone asks a question doesn't really scale, so just be patient and if you don't get a response it means that nobody has an answer, not that we didn't see you or that we're ignoring you (we're not).
[05:11] <blue_> no problem
[05:15] <Karlo_> I'm in single-user mode; "apt-get check" reports a bunch of errors.  Obviously, I can't correct them by installing new stuff, until I have a network.  Is it reasonable for me to correct the errors by removing stuff instead, and then letting it install the right stuff later on?
[05:16] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp, but when I connect to it... it's like the unity launcher doesn't load. I can see the desktop icons and right click, etc.. Running 12.10, and connecting from a win7 machine.
[05:20] <david> Hello...:)
[05:21] <Guest24773> I want set up unity in my ubuntu studio 12.10
[05:21] <Guest24773> how can i do that?
[05:22] <Jordan_U> Karlo_: Have you tried simply running "sudo apt-get -f install"? It may in fact propose to remove packages rather than install them (or may propose to install packages which are already in the package cache).
[05:22] <aeon-ltd> !uniyu | Guest24773
[05:22] <aeon-ltd> !unity | Guest24773
[05:23] <irenicus09> hello can anyone help me with my wifi issue
[05:23] <fleish> hi all, I'm trying to boot the cloud images from uec-images.ubuntu.com, have gotten precise & oneiric working with no issues. but lucid fails with an alert that /dev/xvda does not exist and drops me in the initramfs. anyone experienced this? am running it on openstack+xen
[05:23] <irenicus09> I'm trying to change the region of my card but it defaults to country 00
[05:23] <irenicus09> *iw reg set xx
[05:24] <Guest24773> Unity is the default UI since Ubuntu 11.04. But I want set up in my ubuntu studio, but It has only XFCE...
[05:24] <aeon-ltd> Guest24773: first answer here has the pkg names http://askubuntu.com/questions/131016/how-can-i-remove-and-re-install-unity
[05:24] <Guest24773> OK thank you!...:)
[05:25] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp, but when I connect to it... it's like the unity launcher doesn't load. I can see the desktop icons and right click, etc.. Running 12.10, and connecting from a win7 machine.
[05:26] <rexwin_> when trying to euc2ools i get the error message. http://picpaste.com/ubuntu-error-8meDFArs.bmp
[05:28] <suripto_w> heloow
[05:28] <Tex_Nick>  wilee-nilee : RE- 12.10 update problem ... I've booted into ubuntu & run update through terminal output is @ -> http://pastebin.com/51V35NH4
[05:29] <Karlo_> Jordan_U: Yes, I've tried it.  That command produces the error list.
[05:29] <ahmad_> hi guys, i am getting this error can anyone shed some light please
[05:29] <ahmad_> ahmad is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[05:29] <ahmad_> when i try to use sudo it happens
[05:30] <Karlo_> Jordan_U: I can't try it from multi-user mode because it refuses to boot, *possibly* because the database is bad.
[05:30] <Jordan_U> Karlo_: Can you pastebin the exact error message? Both using pastebin, and fixing this, might be easier if you booted from a LiveCD/USB and chrooted in to run commands.
[05:31] <Karlo_> I've got someone coming over right now with a disk.
[05:31] <suripto_w> i got upgrade issue ":Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[05:31] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, The xswat ppa does not have a quantal release you can go to softwrae sources and remove it or tick it off.
[05:31] <suripto_w> somebody please help///
[05:32] <Jordan_U> suripto_w: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[05:32] <Karlo_> Jordan_U: I had just updated to 12.04 -- on reboot I got "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present".
[05:33] <Karlo_> As per a Web suggestion, I remounted / as readwrite, then tried "apt-get install -f" to deal with the broken packages.  I got dozens of error messages, mostly of the form "(something) is not installed".
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick,I suggest tick it off as they may have one later, they are up to precise as of now
[05:33] <suripto_w> Reading package lists... Done
[05:33] <suripto_w> Building dependency tree
[05:33] <suripto_w> Reading state information... Done
[05:33] <suripto_w> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:33] <FloodBot1> suripto_w: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:33] <suripto_w> sorry...my mistake
[05:34] <Jordan_U> Karlo_: Try adding the "rootwait" kernel parameter (though that's most likely to just cause an indefinite hang, it might allow you to boot if for some reason the root FS is taking a long time to become available).
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, you can get to the software sources from the edit in the software center
[05:35] <rexwin_> how to check the version of ubuntu running
[05:36] <suripto_w> jordan_U .. the result would be this...http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304221/plain/
[05:37] <Karlo_> rexwin_, maybe cat /proc/version
[05:37] <Jordan_U> !version | rexwin_
[05:37] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : Ok have ticked xswat off ... will try update again
[05:38] <Lil> I am having a problem. I installed xrdp, but when I connect to it... it's like the unity launcher doesn't load. I can see the desktop icons and right click, etc.. Running 12.10, and connecting from a win7 machine.
[05:38] <suripto_w> this is the bug in upgrading 12.04 to 12.10.......http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304226/plain/
[05:39] <suripto_w> plz help me
[05:39] <suripto_w> plz help me
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, How are you upgrading?
[05:40] <Kernel-Tux> Hello from CentOSQUITQUIT
[05:40] <Karlo_> OK, I now have an install disk for 12.04 -- friend brought it over but didn't stay to help.
[05:40] <suripto_w> using software center wilee-nilee
[05:41] <suripto_w> did i do something wrong???
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, I'm not sure I know how you would from there, could you  share that.
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> suripto_wI don't PM< the channel is better
[05:43] <suripto_w> sorry wilee-nilee....i can't make it right ....
[05:44] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, If you close everything and open the update manager do you see a upgrade offered there?
[05:44] <suripto_w> i just don't know how to fix it....i'm already doing apt-get autoremove, apt-get clean, apt get -f install
[05:44] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : as always you had the answer ... update now works ... hey man, thanks for the help ... it's ppl like you that make IRC & u=Ubuntu work
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> Tex_Nick, No problem, sometimes we get lucky. ;)
[05:45] <suripto_w> yes, wilee-nilee....i upgrade it because there's the offer
[05:45] <krish> hey guys, I said install updates on update manager yesterday and today morning nothing works on my ubuntu 12.04.   no network, no touchpad, I dont see network-manager, I try to use wired connection even it doesnt work.  I try to add new network manually but the fields are all disabled
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, Where?
[05:45] <krish> just what is happening!
[05:46] <Tex_Nick> wilee-nilee : lol yeah with me it's luck ... with you it's skill ;-)
[05:46] <suripto_w> from update manager...wilee-nilee
[05:46] <krish> I get crash dialogs from ubuntu one, gdunotification-daemon
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, So you are getting the error you posted from using the update manager?
[05:47] <Karlo_> Uh -- to boot from the CD, it should be sufficient to have the CD in the drive when the machine powers up, right?
[05:47] <suripto_w> it said new ubuntu release 12.10 is available...i just click upgrade
[05:47] <err-or> Karlo_: also you have to set up your boot order to use the cd drive first.
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w Ah, so it just seems to be broken packages are blocking hold on.
[05:48] <Karlo_> Ah.  That sounds semi-familiar now.  If I go to the menu, I should be able to add something to the command line to boot from CD just this once, right?
[05:48] <krish> guys, any help on my issue
[05:48] <suripto_w> yes,...
[05:49] <suripto_w> what am i suppose to do then?
[05:50] <err-or> Karlo_: maybe this clarifys it more: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD
[05:50] <suripto_w> did i do something wrong??? wilee-nilee
[05:51] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, Not sure the error is a broken package, the command Jordan_U gave you returned nothing, I'm googling to see if I can find something.
[05:53] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, If it was me I would start with running a update and upgrade in the terminal to look for errors, so run a update and pastebin all the text.
[05:53] <Karlo_> Oh, I'd forgotten about this.  Although this whole thing started with my attempting to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04, I seem to still have 10.04 on this system; the version-checking commands agreed on that, and so does the boot menu.
[05:53] <themhz> is there anyway I can add widgets on my desktop in ubuntu 12.04?
[05:53] <suripto_w> yes, i've tried the command that jordan_U gave me.....
[05:53] <philaneous> hi im having trouble updating ubuntu server 12.10
[05:53] <philaneous> something with the kernel
[05:54] <suripto_w> i'm still googling for it since this morning .....it's 12.54 pm in indonesia though
[05:55] <err-or> Karlo_: why not updating via update-manager?
[05:55] <Karlo_> err-or: I did.
[05:55] <Karlo_> Is "recovery mode" the same as "single user mode"?
[06:00] <MacYET> Latest Ubuntu version, latest kde-standard version installed, KDE desktop appears with default 800x600 resolution or so. there is no setting for adjusting the display settings…where to change?
[06:01] <krish> guys is there a way to roll back last update
[06:02] <MacYET> guys? no girls?
[06:03] <aeon-ltd> krish: yes, but it's NOT reccommended. too many things can go wrong
[06:04] <aeon-ltd> MacYET: my only suggestion is to check if you've got drivers installed for your gpu
[06:05] <MacYET> i could change the settings under unity
[06:05] <krish> aeon-ltd: well for now my last nights updates, .. nothing works,.. no network, no touch pad, half of the dialog boxes are disabled in settings, cant crash report (because no network)
[06:05] <MacYET> so i suspect that there something else missing
[06:06] <krish> I tried using the wired network.. same thing.. doesnt work
[06:06] <guang_> i want to use gtk+ interface to do some practice,where i can find code example??
[06:06] <aeon-ltd> krish: was the update interrupted?
[06:07] <krish> no, it wasnt .. logs says it failed
[06:07] <krish> im trying to force upgrade now
[06:08] <krish> and it says its trying to use alternative of ld.so because the x64 version is broken
[06:08] <krish> hope it goes fine
[06:08] <krish> :(
[06:08] <Karlo_> I've rebooted, but I *think* I'm still booted from hard disk instead of CD.  How can I tell for sure?
[06:09] <krish> this is pretty bad.  What about complete layman users ... update should break something to this level
[06:09] <krish> any ubuntu dev here ^
[06:09] <krish> might wanna take it up the ladder
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> krish, Hehe your assuming awful soon there is no user error here.
[06:10] <krish> I see the logs right
[06:10] <krish> I let the updates run, till it failed itself
[06:11] <krish> I was simply watching Mr.bean while this was happening.. not to interrupt anything (although that shouldnt be required)
[06:11] <chase> I did a minimal install using a wired connection. Now when I boot, my computer won't recognize I have a wireless card, but...if I plug in my ethernet cable, then unplug it, suddenly, it sees my wireless...ever heard of anything like that?
[06:11] <wilee-nilee> krish, logs don't release you from making an error. Have you added any repos and or installed 3rd party stuf.
[06:11] <chase> I installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop on top of the minimal install.
[06:11] <krish> like chrome repos?
[06:11] <krish> google chrome repo
[06:11] <krish> dont tell me that messes with ld.so :)
[06:12] <Ben64> X is taking up all my ram, how can I find out why?
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> krish, Installing chrome adds a deb to the sources.list I believe, is all. what are the exact errors?
[06:12]  * samurai2 thinks I have seen this MacYET somewhere before :)
[06:13] <Ben64> root      1215  3.0 64.7 4068708 2628428 tty7  Ss+  Oct12 543:20 /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-rUxFO9/database -nolisten tcp vt7
[06:14] <krish> The errors are to gdu-notification daemon crash and ubuntu one crash
[06:14] <krish> these are the only ones visible ^ wilee-nilee
[06:16] <krish> the logs show that ubuntu-apport failed for something
[06:16] <krish> manually upgraded it
[06:16] <krish> and now forced other updates
[06:16] <krish> lets see.. its going for a reboot
[06:18] <joosen> How can I install flash player 64bit into ubuntu 12.10?
[06:19] <Ben64> joosen: download it from adobe, then put in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:19] <joosen> How the file that I will download?
[06:20] <Ben64> what do you mean
[06:20] <krish> wilee-nilee: ok it seems to work now... although load avg seems bit higher now (like 2.0+) and I hate to see so many kde daemns
[06:20] <krish> Btw, the way this got fixed is update ubuntu-apport manually
[06:20] <krish> then run the apt-get upgrade -f
[06:21] <krish> so I was lucky to have the packages already in my cache due to last nights updates.. else any other layman person is probably screwed
[06:21] <krish> thks all. lemme log off and resign in from the fixed box
[06:23] <IronLight> This takes some getting used to.
[06:24] <pgdac> `Compared to Window 8 why ubuntu 12.10 is booting slow :( ? I want ubuntu to boot fast !
[06:27] <wilee-nilee> pgdac, Windows 8 is a hybrid sleep.
[06:28] <thrgyjth> How does one obtain a mask on IRC?
[06:28] <coolstar> thrgyjth: #freenode
[06:28] <psychogenik> pls halp ubuntu keep showing porn n i dont even look at porn and im 12
[06:28] <somsip> !proxy | thrgyjth
[06:29] <thrgyjth> ok, thanks
[06:30] <coolstar> psychogenik: ubuntu doesn't show porn...
[06:30] <coolstar> psychogenik: must be someone else using your computer
[06:30] <nocturnal_> psychogenik: probably your dad
[06:30] <psychogenik> its in amazon lens or whatever
[06:31] <nocturnal_> ask amazon
[06:31] <coolstar> psychogenik: well here's a fix: when you see someone watching porn smash their face into the keyboard
[06:34] <NuSuey> what is it with my graphic card .. my 6850 (ati) will only show a black screen ~ install/boot of 12.04 .. and it goes same way when I turn the ati driver on the 12.10
[06:34] <Karlo_> Still no luck in getting the booter to use the cd instead of the hard disk.  It's as if it doesn't see a disk in there.
[06:35] <zruty> I got a HDD and when I try to install ubuntu and the partitioner starts, it does not show up. What can i do about that?
[06:35] <coolstar> zruty: is the hdd connected properly and turned on?
[06:36] <wilee-nilee> zruty, Check the HD in gparted and make sure it has a partition table.
[06:37] <zruty> coolstar: Yes.
[06:37] <samurai2> Hi, how to increment a variable in bourne shell script? like i++ in c? thanks :)
[06:37] <zruty> wilee-nilee: It does.
[06:37] <coolstar> zruty: pastie the output of "ls /dev/"
[06:37] <zruty> I can connect a USB interface to it and then it shows up, i can partition it, and copy data to and from
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> zruty, What is the partition type on there now, and soes it take up the whole disc?
[06:38] <zruty> But it does nto show up in the installer's partitioner, so I can not install ubuntu to it
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> does*
[06:38] <zruty> I can delete all partitions and create whatever I like, with the USB interface. But conneccted to the hdd interface on the mobo, in 2 computers, it does not show up in the installer's partitioner
[06:39] <Karlo_> samurai2: i=`expr $i + 1`  # works even in older shells
[06:39] <coolstar> zruty: would you mind pastieing the output of the command I mentioned above ^^
[06:39] <zruty> coolstar: I'd be happy to, but that may take a while: I do not have the disk right here right now...
[06:39] <Karlo_> samurai2: i=$(expr $i + 1)  # works in ksh and bash
[06:40] <zruty> What can I check, what can I look for?
[06:40] <suripto_w> wilee-nilee if i upgrade using live cd, would it be upgrade the system without deleting the "data" or erase all????
[06:41] <samurai2> Karlo_ : It's said  expr $i + 1: not found
[06:41] <basil1x> Hullo.  I keep getting a 'location already mounted' error when I insert a DVD.  I just upgraded to 12.10, and have never had this error before doing so.
[06:41] <somsip> samurai2: maybe this will help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/bash-equivalent-to-c-increment-operator-131504/
[06:41] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, No a cd will overwrite the install.
[06:41] <guang_> is there any tool to help choose the right character encoding automatically?
[06:42] <Karlo_> samurai2: It's enclosed in grave accents, `...`, not quotes
[06:42] <somsip> guang_: in what?
[06:42] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, Honestly I would fix your setup now, post a thread at the ubuntu forums and get some help there as well, you seem to have some broken dependencies.
[06:42] <suripto_w> not just ugrade the system?but erase all??? cmiiw
[06:42] <guang_> somsip:vim
[06:42] <pgdac> samurai2: :seq first_number  +increament  last number
[06:43] <pgdac> samurai2:  You can try this also
[06:43] <wilee-nilee> suripto_w, 12.10 does not have a inplace upgrade with the alternative.
[06:43] <samurai2> Karlo_ : ah ic, those symbol really confusing. thanks :)
[06:43] <samurai2> pgdac : I'll try it. thanks :)
[06:44] <suripto_w> hm.....right, i should go to ubuntu forum.but when i'm googling other have the same situation as i did, but none has the answer after all
[06:44] <somsip> guang_: woudl something like this help you? http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1708
[06:45] <suripto_w> hm....it would replace all then, right? :((
[06:47] <samurai2> pgdac : thanks. now I can easily use for loop in bourne shell script without need to provide the whole sequence numbers. :)
[06:47] <Karlo_> samurai2: for i in `seq 20`; do echo here is $i; done
[06:47] <pgdac> samurai2:  Di you found my reply worthful ?
[06:48] <Karlo_> samurai2: That's another way to do it.
[06:48] <pgdac> samurai2: *Did
[06:48] <samurai2> pgdac, Karlo_ : Yeah, thanks to both of you. :)
[06:49] <pgdac> samurai2: Always Welocme !
[06:49] <Karlo_> Not only does the system fail to boot from CD, but when I go to runlevel 1, it doesn't have any info for mounting /dev/cdrom -- it sounds to me as though I don't have a working CD-ROM drive.  Anything else I can try before I give up on that?
[06:50] <prodnix> Hi all, I have a fully functional PXE server runnin ubuntu, debian, winPE and various live discs. I am currently trying to make my ubuntu live boot persistent. At the kernel line I have added persistent. My NFS is writable but I cannot get anything to stick. I test by changing my samba workgroup to mshome. Any help would be appreciated
[06:50] <pgdac> Karlo_: Please repeat your question  one more time
[06:51] <Karlo_> Not only does the system fail to boot from CD, but when I go to runlevel 1, it doesn't have any info for mounting /dev/cdrom -- it sounds to me as though I don't have a working CD-ROM drive.  Anything else I can try before I give up on that?
[06:52] <basil1x> this error only happens with blank discs
[06:52] <pgdac> Karlo_: How you mounting your cd in  runlevel 1
[06:52] <Karlo_> Details: I insert the CD and cold boot, but it boots from hard disk instead.  That gives me the error "The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present", and from there, M takes me to maintenance mode, aka runlevel 1.
[06:52] <foobArrr> I have problems with distorted sound and echo with vlc. Often sound is only distorted for the first few seconds or a minute of a file, then sound is normal. When I skip to the next song/video, sound is distorted again. Also volume levels are strange: some videos are loud, some are quiet, in mplayer they have similar volume. this started a few weeks ago on 12.04 and is still present in 12.10.
[06:54] <somsip> foobArrr: this is not a solution, but do you need to use vlc?
[06:54] <Karlo_> I then attempt to mount it manually.  Neither "mount /dev/cdrom" nor "mount /mnt/cdrom" works (it claims that neither mtab nor fstab knows about that device or directory).  So I try "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom"...  I don't know if I need more options there.
[06:54] <foobArrr> somsip: no, I don't. but I want to use vlc.
[06:55] <Karlo_> Oh, /mnt/cdrom didn't exist.  OK, I create it and try the mount... Now it says mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device
[06:57] <Karlo_> /dev/cdrom is a symlink to sr0, which is block device 11,0.
[06:59] <somsip> Karlo_: AFAIK, sr0 is a cdrom on a SATA connection. Have you tried sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom -t iso9660
[07:02] <Karlo_> Trying that now
[07:03] <Karlo_> "no medium found on /dev/sr0"
[07:03] <somsip> Karlo_: though maybe you are root - did you say you were in single-user mode...no matter
[07:03] <Karlo_> Right, I'm omitting the sudo verb.
[07:03] <somsip> Karlo_: maybe you were right about having a dodgy drive. That command (or similar) has worked for me in the dim distant past
[07:04] <Karlo_> If I plug a thumb drive into the USB port, where should that appear on the filesystem?
[07:04] <somsip> Karlo_: I doubt there will be autoloading in single-user mode. You will have to mount
[07:05] <pgdac> Karlo_:  Did you tried  moutn using /dev/cdrom if it is not working then try definig cd/dvd type  . Let's hope for the best!
[07:05] <Guest90235> hello , i can install ubuntu in to a pen drive however my old motherboard stuck whenever i use other format than fat16
[07:05] <Karlo_> OK then, what device name would the thumb drive have
[07:06] <Guest90235> perhaps making a fat16 boot partition could solve my problem, can anyone help?
[07:06] <somsip> Karlo_: dmesg may help you
[07:09] <prodnix> Any ideas on my persistent PXE ubuntu?
[07:09] <TPAKTOPUCTA> hello all
[07:10] <Karlo_> OK, seems to be /dev/sdb
[07:10] <TPAKTOPUCTA> i have one question regarding the new ubuntu release 12.10
[07:10] <TPAKTOPUCTA> and virtualbox
[07:11] <brady> how can i install a package that i have in a .rpm file?
[07:11] <pgdac> TPAKTOPUCTA: Just ask the question. Don't ask to ask questoin
[07:11] <pgdac> brady: Firstly conver .rpm to .deb
[07:11] <somsip> brady: dont, or if you have to http://www.unixmen.com/howto-install-rpm-packages-on-ubuntu/
[07:12] <TPAKTOPUCTA> i am running ubuntu as OS and on top of that I have virtualbox with several windows virtual machines
[07:12] <basil1x> sorry... computer had issues
[07:12] <fego> brady: dont they provide installers for debian based distros ?
[07:12] <TPAKTOPUCTA> before the upgrade with 12.04 everything works just fine
[07:12] <brady> im trying to  install gcc
[07:12] <TPAKTOPUCTA> no lag and problems while working in the virtual environment
[07:13] <pgdac> brady:  gcc is already in ubuntu
[07:13] <TPAKTOPUCTA> but after the upgrade to 12.10
[07:13] <fego> brady: gcc is available in all linux distributions includong ubuntu
[07:13] <newb2linux> ello?
[07:13] <brady> yes but i need an earlyer version, the new version breaks serial communication with my arduino mega
[07:13] <fego> !info build-essential | brady
[07:13] <TPAKTOPUCTA> i have lags and after random time intervals my virtual machine hangs
[07:13] <TPAKTOPUCTA> anyone experience the same issue
[07:14] <newb2linux> looking for someones input on receiver installs in sure, ubuntu and centos
[07:14] <pgdac> brady:  Means you want to know how to degrade your gcc
[07:14] <fego> brady: you can serch for earlier versions too
[07:14] <brady> yes.. ive been trying to downgrade for hours , i ended up using aptitude to remove it.
[07:14] <fego> or in worst case compile from source tarball
[07:14] <Guest90235> can i create a boot partition before installing ubuntu? even for a single boot?
[07:14] <newb2linux> it takes openmotif and I try to install- needs dependencies, I searchand install the dependant apps and it snowballs from there to more and more
[07:14] <brady> i dont know , where to search
[07:15] <pgdac> brady:  Google it !
[07:15] <brady> i did..
[07:15] <brady> thats how i ended up with the rpm's
[07:15] <newb2linux> anyone have success getting receiver installed on ubuntu?
[07:15] <fego> brady: may be BullShark
[07:16] <newb2linux> there is a small number of articles - follwoed each with a different error on all
[07:16] <fego> sorry
[07:16] <newb2linux> lol
[07:16] <brady> i dont know what to google specifically, other than gcc 4.3.3
[07:16] <fego> brady: may be http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:16] <brady> bullshark?
[07:16] <fego> sorry it was an accident brady
[07:18] <somsip> brady: I get a helpful looking set of results with "how to downgrade ubuntu gcc"
[07:18] <mar77i> needing help here...
[07:18] <somsip> !details | mar77i
[07:19] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <mar77i> hi to you too. As it looks there's been a (weekly) update which crashed. the machine doesn't boot any more and the live system can't chroot because "/bin/bash: doesn't exist" << except, it does. I'm not clear if I missed something when I tried to fix it with # apt-get -o Dir=/media/sda1 --reinstall amd64 libc6
[07:20] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <diabolique> hey guys my videos on youtube play at super fast speed..any way to reduce the play speed?
[07:20] <FloodBot1> diabolique: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:20] <llutz_> mar77i: do you try to chroot from 64bit into 32bit installation or vice versa?
[07:20] <cnf> anyone know of something like geektool i can use with unity?
[07:21] <Luffha> hi guys
[07:21] <Luffha> what does it mean, if i do an "ls" and i file shows with a * at the end?
[07:21] <brady> can't find 4.3.3 on packages.ubuntu.com
[07:21] <raid0array> ok so I created a raid 0 array with mdam to the point where I can mount it using sudo mount /dev/md0 after a reboot but I don't know how to get it to mount on boot. any suggestions?
[07:22] <Luffha> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  202 2012-10-24 16:55 default*
[07:22] <raid0array> *mdadm
[07:22] <Luffha> and green colored :D
[07:22] <suripto_w> does anyone has a display driver for intel gm 965/gl960?....my display sometimes scratch and using vesa for display driver
[07:22] <cnf> Luffha: man ls, and search for -F
[07:22] <cnf> Luffha: it means it's executable, btw
[07:24] <Luffha> Thanks
[07:24] <cnf> Luffha: and the green means the same thing, btw
[07:24] <cnf> green for executable
[07:24] <surferboy> I'm looking for a person who is real clued up with openvpn tunnels
[07:24] <mar77i> well, it should be the cd from where 10.04 was installed (which still had an 'amd64' package, if I have understood correctly). Also, there's no /lib64 directory in the system. also I saw a file with an extremely strange name that contained some \x01 char and stuff
[07:24] <surferboy> I was told that this Ubuntu channel is the place to look
[07:24] <surferboy> right?
[07:25] <mar77i> you got me right that ldd /media/sda1/bin/bash shows /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 but there's no such directory. how can I restore files without chrooting?
[07:25] <brady> the search results may appear useful for downgrade gcc ubuntu.. but im really not getting anywhere from going though the pages.
[07:27] <guang_> somsip:thank you.It does work
[07:28] <diabolique> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304326/
[07:28] <somsip> guang_: np
[07:28] <basil1x> I keep having connection issues... but that's Comcast, and not Ubuntu.  should I restate my question, or is that not necessary?
[07:29] <diabolique> guys help please http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304326/
[07:32] <alumno> !!
[07:32] <alumno> hola
[07:32] <somsip> basil1x: is the DVD mount point in use?
[07:32] <mar77i> ...
[07:32] <basil1x> It must be, but there's nothing there.
[07:32] <somsip> basil1x: output of 'mount'?
[07:33] <brady> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 g++-3.4        , unable to locate package
[07:33] <basil1x> about 15 lines, none of which I understand
[07:34] <somsip> !pastebin | basil1x
[07:34] <shai2892> Hello, Does Ubuntu now cost money? I've trying to download Ubuntu from the official website but I cant find direct download link? just payment page?
[07:34] <librarystudent02> hey
[07:34] <brady> no.. it does not cost money.
[07:35] <librarystudent02> someone please msg me so i can know that this is workinggg
[07:35] <shai2892> brady: so where I can get the latest download?
[07:35] <TPAKTOPUCTA> shai2892: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[07:35] <basil1x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304336/
[07:35] <cnf> so i was told gkrellm and conky, less have a looksee
[07:35] <brady> i used some program that downloaded it and put it on a usb drive
[07:35] <brady> i dont recell the name
[07:36] <TPAKTOPUCTA> shai2892 http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server this is the server version
[07:36] <basil1x> sorry... it took me a bit to post it
[07:36] <librarystudent02> brady: what is the latest ubuntu version at the moment/
[07:37] <brady> 12.10 , however, i was unhappy when i upgraded from 12.04
[07:37] <jgfarnden> Hey there
[07:38] <librarystudent02> brady: why
[07:38] <brady> 12.04 was operating solid on my machine, the latest "upgrade" has brought significant instablity to my machine, and i can't downgrade without fully reinstalling.
[07:38] <librarystudent02> yo wassup
[07:39] <brady> the system went from almost never crashing to , crashing several times a day, random errors, more applications suddenly haulting.. etc.
[07:39] <basil1x> somsip:  Could this thing be trying to mount the disc twice for some reason?
[07:40] <Karlo_> In retrospect, I should have stayed with 10.04 here.
[07:40] <jgfarnden> I ran 12.04 got hybrid graphics to work and was satisfied by it. So I went on to 12.10 I do a bit of the same method as I did to get changeable gpu's but as soon as the config is made for the xorg it gives a bad error.
[07:40] <librarystudent02> brady: so now your ubuntu version is 12.10? mine is 10.10 XD
[07:40] <somsip_> basil1x: possibly - did you pastebin the output from mount? I dropped for a couple of minutes
[07:40] <brady> i was perfectly happy with 12.04
[07:40] <basil1x> somsip:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304336/
[07:40] <basil1x> sorry... I'm still a slow typer, though I'm improving
[07:41] <librarystudent02> brady: well what past is past
[07:42] <Karlo_> Is it possible to start the network, from single user mode?  If I can somehow do that, it might be possible for me to fix stuff.
[07:42] <somsip_> basil1x: looks normal. Do you get any errors in dmesg that might help?
[07:42] <brady> well.. it would have been better for them to just push back the release date.
[07:42] <librarystudent02> brady: what release date?
[07:42] <brady> of 12.10
[07:43] <crosswyb> Hi guys  I got some problems   Package requirements (libxml-2.0) were not met:  No package 'libxml-2.0' found
[07:43] <crosswyb> what should I do
[07:43] <llutz_> brady: "i was perfectly happy with 12.04"  <- why did you upgrade then at all?
[07:43] <nocturnal_> 12.04 is lts isnt it?
[07:43] <llutz_> nocturnal_:  it is
[07:44] <librarystudent02> herbie
[07:44] <librarystudent01> test
[07:44] <brady> the upgrade popped up automatically, i had trust that it was safe.
[07:44] <librarystudent02> herbieee
[07:44] <librarystudent01> open xfuck.org at home
[07:44] <librarystudent02> no way-_-
[07:44] <mpajor_op5> librarystudent01: stop spamming
[07:44] <somsip_> librarystudent01: please stop
[07:45] <librarystudent01> derppppppppppp
[07:45] <librarystudent01> element 115 is ready to be released
[07:45] <librarystudent02> HERBIEEE
[07:45] <jgfarnden> http://webchat.freenode.net/#o.O
[07:45] <jgfarnden> woops
[07:45] <jgfarnden> sorry
[07:45] <librarystudent02> can you see the meesage
[07:45] <jgfarnden> don't boot
[07:46] <jgfarnden> I had a question
[07:46] <somsip_> !ops | librarystudent02 is spamming
[07:46] <FloodBot1> jgfarnden: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:46] <andras> Hi, I have a kickstart ks.cfg on a webserver is there a way to specify this at boot time without modifying the install iso image ?
[07:46] <librarystudent02> ask brady
[07:46] <librarystudent01> fuck
[07:47] <brady> ask what?
[07:47] <basil1x> somsip_:  I get one that says 'forcing readonly mount
[07:48] <mar77i> so hm, reinstalling libc6 resulted in an error in post-transaction something
[07:48] <jgfarnden> So does anyone know anything about the hybrid graphics on 12.10
[07:49] <somsip_> basil1x: the cd drive has worked okay in the past, or is it new?
[07:49] <jgfarnden> ?
[07:50] <basil1x> It still works... I burned a DVD to test it after I got the error... but the error balloon shows up every time I try
[07:51] <basil1x> somsip_: I can paste the whole output if you like, but it's fairly extensive
[07:51] <brady> jesus.. this is so annoying.
[07:51] <brady> i manage to remove gcc
[07:51] <somsip_> basil1x: just when DVD-R is inserted?
[07:51] <brady> i mange to install a downgraded version 3.4 gcc
[07:51] <brady> i discover arduino was uninstalled with the higher gcc
[07:51] <basil1x> somsip_: yes, recorded DVDs produce no error
[07:52] <brady> i reinstall arduino 1.01, i discover it has installed newer gcc
[07:52] <brady> im back to where i started
[07:52] <jgfarnden> brady
[07:52] <jgfarnden> What are you trying to do
[07:52] <nug700> so... just installed the newest ubuntu.
[07:53] <brady> im trying to downgrade gcc , i need a version where the newer gcc doesn't break the serial communications via my arduino mega
[07:53] <somsip_> basil1x: can you show output of ls -la /media
[07:53] <jgfarnden> purge all of it
[07:53] <jgfarnden> and install it again
[07:54] <brady> gcc-3.4 , allegedly is supposed to work.
[07:54] <jgfarnden> well
[07:54] <nug700> first of all... why isn't the x server configering the monitor settup like the way I try to?
[07:54] <jgfarnden> it's a chain deal
[07:54] <brady> i am not proficient enough of a user to simply know what purge it all means
[07:54] <jgfarnden> you remove a working part
[07:54] <jgfarnden> xD
[07:54] <jgfarnden> sudo apt-get purge gcc
[07:54] <jgfarnden> who knows
[07:54] <basil1x> somsip_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1304361/
[07:55] <jgfarnden> Whatever the application is you are trying to fix remove them both and just reinstall them back
[07:55] <nug700> Why is ubuntu slowly starting to seem like os x?
[07:55] <brady> yes i see it right there, in the purge process
[07:55] <brady> its removing arduino
[07:55] <jgfarnden> A long time ago I had made a picture
[07:56] <nug700> Why is ubuntu12 open things slower than 10?
[07:56] <brady> which is what happened last time, when i reinstall arduino, it will reinstall a newer version of gcc that causes the problem.
[07:56] <jgfarnden> Opens fast for me
[07:56] <jgfarnden> ?
[07:56] <somsip_> basil1x: no, sorry. I'm only searching and looking for clues, and finding nothing. Maybe try again later when more peeps are on
[07:56] <jgfarnden> What's the problem with the new version of gcc?
[07:56] <nug700> it takes up to 5 seconds to open firefox. 10 did it in less than a second.
[07:57] <brady> it breaks the serial communications with arduino mega via serial
[07:57] <basil1x> so It's not just me that can't figure this out... I feel better... annoyed, but better
[07:57] <brady> the serial communications do not make it to the serial monitor.
[07:57] <jgfarnden> Hmm
[07:57] <brady> yes.. thats the problem.
[07:58] <jgfarnden> Most of the stuff I've managed to get working from 12.04 is just trial and error
[07:58] <palomita> holaa
[07:58] <farciarz84> hi, public tv in our country streams video in silverlight. I have mono plugin istalled but its out-dated and not support any more. Any chance to see this videos?
[07:58] <MonkeyDust> nug700  try installing preload to launch the programs you use most faster
[07:59] <nug700> hm.
[07:59] <waqpa_sexy> hola
[07:59] <jgfarnden> That's the extent of my knowledge but I'm thinking
[08:01] <nug700> I'm really hoping the x-swat ppa driver for my graphics card.. despite the risk of ppa's, I think it'd be much worth it over the junk provided by ubuntu's "additionalt drivers"
[08:01] <brady> when i install arduino, it installs gcc with it, however, the version that it installs breaks serial communications to my mega, i can't get it to print to the serial monitor, searches suggest that downgrading it works, however, when i remove gcc, and install a lower version, and then install arduino , it just installs the broken newer gcc , and leaves me back at the start.
[08:02] <somsip_> MonkeyDust: I use preload but lately have run everything I use when my WM is started. Will preload give me any benefit still?
[08:02] <brady> i can see a bunch of people out there saying that downgrading gcc works to fix it.. no explination on how to do that.
[08:03] <nug700> also.. the curser for kvirc seems to be trailing further behind the text with every letter I type.
[08:03] <Ramtron> Hey! I've run into a huge problem, I've forgotten my routers password, so i can't connect to the internet. I'm on, through my phone right now. Can someone help me crack my password?
[08:03] <jgfarnden> sudo apt-get install -f whatever the app is
[08:04] <jgfarnden> let me see the synaptics
[08:04] <brontosaurusrex> farciarz84: thats heavily dumb from them, so fix them
[08:04] <llutz_> jgfarnden: apt-get -f = --fix-missing , not force
[08:05] <jgfarnden> xD
[08:05] <Ramtron> Anyone know how to crack wifi passwords through ubuntu?
[08:05] <jgfarnden> my bad
[08:05] <jgfarnden> I meant force thanks
[08:05] <jgfarnden> I'm getting confused really quick and tired
[08:05] <jgfarnden> I came here for an answer and now I'm trying to help lol
[08:06] <Ramtron> Please help D:?
[08:06] <brady> jgfarnden: were you speaking to me when you said sudo apt-get install -f ?
[08:07] <nug700> shouldn't crack wifi passwords.. network security exists for a reason.
[08:07] <somsip_> Ramtron: hopefully you will get no help on that here
[08:07] <Ramtron> It's my own router, and it's easier in linux i hear
[08:07] <somsip_> Ramtron: reset it to factory
[08:07] <nug700> log into the router with wired connection?
[08:07] <domie> then you can hard reset it using the button?
[08:07] <Ramtron> I can't figure it out with this guide. Backtrack doesn't work, and reaver is being weird
[08:07] <jgfarnden> what help?
[08:07] <Ramtron> I can't do wired
[08:08] <nug700> .. why not?
[08:08] <Ramtron> because I don't have an eithernet cord.
[08:08] <Ramtron> whatever it is
[08:08] <nug700> then how are you getting it connected to the internet in the first place?
[08:08] <Ramtron> plus my laptop is dumb
[08:08] <jgfarnden> Brady?
[08:09] <jgfarnden> I found something that might help you
[08:09] <brady>  yes?
[08:09] <jgfarnden> I dunno though
[08:09] <jgfarnden> http://marc.merlins.org/perso/arduino/post_2011-12-12_GCC-AVR-4_5_3-2-Breaks-Arduino-NewSoftSerial.html
[08:09] <somsip_> Ramtron: this isn';t the place to ask about this. Can you take your query elsewhere please
[08:09] <nug700> ^
[08:09] <Ramtron> Where would you like me to take it
[08:09] <nug700> hacking forums, idk.
[08:10] <Ramtron> hacking forums? very helpful
[08:10] <nug700> lots on the union network
[08:10] <somsip_> Ramtron: try #aircrack-ng
[08:10] <llutz_> Ramtron: read the documentation on aircrack-ng.org
[08:10] <Ramtron> So give me an example?
[08:10] <jgfarnden> wireshark
[08:10] <Ramtron> Thanks
[08:10] <nug700> also... google is your friend.
[08:10] <brady> i dont know what to make of that page
[08:10] <jgfarnden> damn nug beat me to it
[08:11] <brady> like i cant deduce what exactly im supposed to do
[08:11] <Ramtron> You think I didn't Google this 12,487,276 times first?
[08:11] <jgfarnden> Find binary
[08:11] <jgfarnden> to the old version
[08:11] <Ramtron> This IRC is definitely not my FIRST resort.
[08:11] <brady> yes i did
[08:11] <brady> thats how the conversation here started
[08:11] <somsip_> Ramtron: i've been polite and helped. Please stop
[08:11] <nug700> anyway.. i have to restart computer.
[08:11] <jgfarnden> oh ya
[08:11] <brady> i found replacement bianaries , albiet, not the same ones this page suggests, but they were .rpm
[08:12] <brady> so i came and asked how to install them
[08:12] <brady> but your kinda missing the point
[08:12] <brady> uninstalling the current one, uninstalls the app, that reinstalls the newer version when  you install it
[08:13] <L3top> brady start over, what are you trying to do?
[08:13] <brady> im trying to downgrade gcc
[08:13] <L3top> what version ubuntu, and why?
[08:14] <brady> the version that comes default with arduino or ubuntu, does not properly communicate with arduino mega via the usb serial
[08:14] <jgfarnden> hmm
[08:14] <brady> a number of people on a number of pages have reported downgrading it makes it work
[08:14] <brady> but when i uninstall gcc, it removes the arduino ide with it
[08:15] <jgfarnden> If there was soo much trouble virtual box - older version of ubuntu - install the extension to virtualbox for usb support.
[08:15] <Jordan_U> brady: It's not gcc that does the programming (AKA flashing) of the device, gcc just makes the image to be programmed.
[08:15] <brady> so i need to reinstall that after i install the older version of gcc, however, installing arduino ide, installs the newer version of gcc, rendering the whole process back to the start.
[08:16] <pirx> i have 2 text files, and i want to figure out which lines in file X do not exist in file Y. any suggestions on commands here? i tried "grep -v -f Y X", but that doesnt work since it treats lines in Y as regexp expressions
[08:16] <brady> yes.. but there is something about the newer gcc's that break the serial communications you program into your arduino sketches, particularly with the arduino mega
[08:16] <L3top> brady pin the version of gcc in /etc/apt/preferences
[08:16] <brady> there are many diffrent pages of people reporting the same problem, and the same fix, downgrading gccc.. however none of them specifically explain the process of downgrading.. just that downgrading works.
[08:17] <ahmad_> pirx use the diff command :)
[08:17] <somsip_> pirx: diff
[08:17] <ahmad_> much simpler
[08:17] <brady> i dont know what that means, or how it would be done.
[08:17] <pirx> hmm, wow, could it be that simple:)
[08:18] <L3top> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[08:18] <L3top> brady: ^
[08:18] <somsip_> pirx: diff X Y, will show you which ones aren't in the other. You could diff X Y | grep <, to just get the ones you want. Or the other way round
[08:18] <somsip_> pirx: clearly that needs some refinement...
[08:19] <brady> are there any gui applications for doing this?
[08:19] <emrit> Hello!
[08:20] <L3top> brady you add 3 short lines to a file called preferences. You don't need a gui for that.
[08:20] <pirx> but i'm unsure about which arguments to use with diff. diff reports anything that is out of order too. its mainly used with source code
[08:20] <pirx> whereas my lines can be in any order at all
[08:20] <brady> yes i know. everyone tells me everything is so simple and they forward me onto a page that doesn't lead to anything working. argghh.
[08:21] <blackshirt> brady, hello
[08:21] <somsip_> pirx: use sort to put them in a similar order first?
[08:21] <MonkeyDust> brady  on the other hand, if you use gcc and arduino, one might expect some technical skills from you
[08:21] <confused> hey all, sorry, but is it okay to ask extremely newbish questions in here or should i take them elsewhere?
[08:22] <Jordan_U> brady: What page are you looking at that says that downgrading gcc solves the problem?
[08:22] <pirx> and diff would report any lines that exist in Y and not in X
[08:22] <Karlo_> pirx: sort file1 >tem1; sort file2 >tem2; comm tem1 tem2
[08:22] <brady> the skill of getting the ide to function as it should at install.. seems much more simple than spending the last three hours getting no where.
[08:22] <L3top> !ask | confused
[08:22] <pirx> i have to do some parsing of diffs output i guess
[08:22] <Karlo_> use comm instead of diff
[08:22] <somsip_> pirx: yes - it depends how complicated and exact you want the output
[08:23] <Karlo_> comm -23 tem1 tem2 # report lines that are in tem1 but not tem2
[08:23] <somsip_> Karlo_: ah - good one
[08:23] <Guest90235> can i create a boot partition before installing ubuntu? even for a single boot?
[08:23] <Jordan_U> brady: Also remember that the important package is gcc-avr, since it's the avr cross compiler that you care about when dealing with Arduino.
[08:24] <brady> jordan_U,  i ran into a series of pages saying that while trying to solve the problem, however ive gone through so much stuff, ive long lost track of it all.
[08:24] <Jordan_U> Guest90235: Yes, but there isn't much point in doing so unless you have a buggy BIOS.
[08:24] <Jordan_U> brady: Could you link to one?
[08:24] <brady> no