[02:46] <Rush> Hello
[02:46] <Rush> can anyone see my chat or im not logged in right ?
[02:47] <Laurel> Hello
[02:48] <Laurel> I have installed Lununtu 19  but having a few problems.  can anyone help?
[02:48] <Laurel> 1.  the gui software center wont load, just freezes
[02:49] <Laurel> 2. How to add shortcuts to the task bar?  I installed Chromium but can add a shortcut.  mouseclicking the app just opens it. Even a right click
[02:49] <Laurel> I dont even know if anyone can see my text?  this freenode chat is weird.  Can anyone confirm you can even see my text please
[02:51] <Laurel> anyone ??  please?????  just say yes u can see me
[02:52] <Laurel> god dammit;  .why is freeonde so lame.   i dont evne know if im signed in or not.
[02:53] <Laurel> and anyone just say yes please.. or i wil lassume im not even bloody logged in. Typical liniux, hard to use.. even hard to get help.  Cryptic chat rooms...
[02:56] <Laurel> help
[02:56] <Laurel> sdg
[02:56] <Laurel> d
[02:56] <Laurel> d
[02:56] <Laurel> d
[02:56] <Laurel> dfd
[02:56] <Laurel> fd
[02:56] <Laurel> gd
[02:59] <Laurel> HELP
[03:06] <Laurel> how cna everyone be asleep?  not possible
 Just hold and drag the icon...
 To the panel
[03:19] <Laurel> it doesnt work.  iget a red circle with a line through it.  it wont let me add
[03:20] <Laurel> plus the gui software center freezes and never opens properly
[03:20] <Laurel> i am on 1gb ram, yes.  but i thought that was the idea of this OS?
[03:21] <Laurel> i have 'quick launch' in the widgets.  no idea if it sactivated  or not., cant se any options.   but NOTHING will go into the task bar
[03:22] <Laurel> i just want to find one lightweight os i can use.  it seems an impossible task. all are not working in some way or another
[03:24] <Laurel> oh ok.. everyones gone napping again..
[03:25] <Laurel> maybe i'll have to try xubuntu again.. this lubuntu is clearly unfinished and like a beta
[03:35] <Laurel> JIB JIB
[03:36] <Laurel> Ubbit Ubbit
[03:59] <Laurel> fuk me this is about as useful as a chocolate teapot
[03:59] <Laurel> why even have this room open? ive been hare about 2 hours and had one reply
[04:00] <lynorian> Laurel: lubuntu task bar does not add stuff to launch from the task bar just the quick launch
[04:01] <lynorian> if you have an open window it shows up in the taskbar
[04:01] <Laurel> ? i dont understand
[04:01] <Laurel> i want to add an app icon from the menu in to the task bar so i can quick launch it. but it refuses t oadd
[04:02] <lynorian> you need to drag to the quick launch to do that not that taskbar
[04:02] <Laurel> and sorry, i dont even understand your reply
[04:02] <Laurel> ?
[04:02] <Laurel> drag to the widget?
[04:03] <lynorian> yes to quick launch to launch stuff
[04:03] <lynorian> and then left click on it
[04:03] <lynorian> sorry I was eating dinner
[04:03] <Laurel> wher is the quick launch area?
[04:03] <lynorian> left of the task bar by default
[04:03] <Laurel> i cant se anything
[04:04] <Laurel> there is nothing 'left of the taskbar'
[04:05] <Laurel> the task bar takes the whole bottom screen. nothing else there, and it wont go ANYWHERE in the taskbar
[04:05] <lynorian> have you rearagned your panel
[04:05] <Laurel> no
[04:06] <Laurel> unless my OS is crashed.  i tried installing midori, but had to just risk a ubuntu instlal.  it didnt work.  maybe that upset the system.. no idea
[04:06] <Laurel> it salmost impossible to get help so i had to try to do it myself
[04:06] <Laurel> plus the GUI software center is unusable.  just freezes.  1gb ram no tenough?  thought it was
[04:07] <Laurel> plus some apps wont even let me drag them onto the desktop.. so im trying to created a shortcunt using 'gnome'  orsomething.. but it simpossible becasuse i dont know the location of the executable file. and cannot find how to find it
[04:08] <Laurel> everything else works fast.. but my gui store freezes everytime
[04:08] <Laurel> can anyone help me with this mess or should i just forget it ?
[04:08] <lynorian> discover or muon
[04:10] <Laurel> sorry?
[04:10] <Laurel> discover.  totally freezes
[04:10] <Laurel> the other is fine
[04:10] <lynorian> then use muon although it is a bit more complicated
[04:10] <Laurel> well not totally. it takes agees for anything to appear.  and when it dies nothing ,moves
[04:11] <Laurel> i tried muon.. manafged to install 'SMTube'  but gues swaht.. it WILL NOT leave the panel and let me put quicka launch icon
[04:11] <Laurel> same as chromuim.  but at least chroium lsts me put a shortcut on dekstop. SMTube wone even let me do that
[04:12] <Laurel> i think his OS is too much beta.  i know i cant use linux well.  but this just isnt working anyway
[04:12] <lynorian> although keep in imnd the more things you install and keep running the more RAM useage will be no matter how lightweight the base
[04:13] <Laurel> can you help me or shall i just go to another room and try yet another lightweight OS?  None of them work for me
[04:13] <Laurel> ive got nothing in there.   nothing
[04:13] <Laurel> just wanted a lighter browser than firefox.  chromium is.   and wanted a youtube app as i cant watch youtube in browser with 1gb ram
[04:13] <Laurel> all the other apps i open are pretty fast.. except the gui for downloads
[04:14] <lynorian> vlc can if you copy paste the url in
[04:14] <Laurel> but u still ahve t osurf to get the url.  not youtube apps?  like SMTube works sometimes.  but i cannot get a god damn short cut on my desktop
[04:14] <Laurel> how ridiculous
[04:15] <lynorian> do you know how to use lxqt-runner
[04:15] <Laurel> ofcourse not. never heard of it
[04:15] <Laurel> this linux is obviously for hobbyistsm not everyday casual users
[04:15] <lynorian> press alt+f2 and start typing what you want
[04:16] <Laurel> i did,  the word appeared and nothing else happened
[04:16] <Laurel> a notepad then.. nice to know ..
[04:17] <Laurel> please somebody help me ive beeen trying to get this compute rrunning for days
[04:17] <Laurel> can anyone just bloody help me?
[04:18] <Laurel> thething is, this computer is not for me.  if it was,  alf+f2 is fine.  but its for someone who needs a desktop with the links directly on it.
[04:19] <Laurel> So its easy as possible.  the user WILL NOT be searching fo rstuff i assure you
[04:19] <Laurel> so, why the hell cant i just add a few shortcuts to the taskbar?
[04:20] <Laurel> if yo udont know just tell me please
[04:20] <Laurel> id rather not waste another 2 hours here
[04:20] <Laurel> can yo uhelp or no?
[04:20] <lynorian> Laurel: I have been telling you how to not sure why your install is doing what it is
 because taskbar isn't for that purpose...
[04:20] <Laurel> i need shortcuts.  even on desktop will do
 you want lightweight, you need to split functionalities
[04:20] <Laurel> or is desktop also not for purpuse?
[04:21] <Laurel> well, i alraedy have shortcut sON the taskabar anyway,  firefox.  so why cant i put my own ?
 so, taskbar is for taskbar, where you see window running, and manage it, and quick start is for quick start, where you add shortcut to it where it is on a panel, so you can start application instantly
[04:21] <Laurel> well, what IS quickstart?  pictuer please?
 THAT IS NOT THE BLOODY TASKBAR
[04:22] <Laurel> i have no idea..  firefox is in the taskbar. YES?  i want to put other thing sthere too
[04:22] <Laurel> failing that, in the desktop is fine
[04:22] <Laurel> but the desktop shortcuts dont work properly. AND the SMTube wont even let me put on desktop
[04:23] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html this has pictures of it note the quick luanch is to the left and firefox is the icon only in the quick launch and the taksbar has the window title
[04:23] <lynorian> the whole thing is called the panel
[04:24] <Laurel> it salready in the quick launch. i need it on taskbar
 IT CAN'T
[04:24] <Laurel> this is nuts
[04:24] <Laurel> why is firefow allowed to be there but no other app?
 the fact is firefox isn't...
[04:25] <lynorian> pcmanfm-qt is there as well
[04:25] <Laurel> well.. where ever it IS. Can i put other app there too ?
 THEY ARE ALL UNDER THE QUICK LAUNCH WIDGET
 NOT THE BLOODY TASKBAR
[04:25] <Laurel> and how ot put other apps there?
[04:26] <Laurel> so how to put them there
 you just drag the icon from the launcher to there
[04:26] <Laurel> it didnt work
 did you keep press the mouse?
 try to move it in between the icons, since the margin may not trigger
[04:27] <Laurel> ok, now it works. that is minute. no room for error
[04:27] <Laurel> i recommend the devs give more room for error.  its was miniscule
[04:27] <Laurel> and how about the 'smtube'  that wont even let me drag it anywhere?
 what?
[04:28] <Laurel> i have an app called SMTube  but it wont evne let me START to drag the icon anywhere
[04:28] <Laurel> i need to add it to the 'not taskbar' area also
 and, even though lubuntu is meant for lightweight, the software center itself isn't.
 you don't need to start to drag, just look for the icon in the launcher.
 ...if there is any
[04:29] <Laurel> i said before.. this is for someone else. they will NOT be going in the lanucherl i need it simple
[04:29] <Laurel> I need the smtube shortcut on th edesktop somewhere
[04:30] <Laurel> ok. i managed to find it.  damn that was hard just doing that
[04:31] <Laurel> i have two more thing sthen i am done.  i only need the laptop to do a few basic things
[04:31] <Laurel> Can this OS run skype ?
[04:32] <Laurel> and can it install a better youtube viewer 'GTK viewer'
[04:32] <Laurel> Apart from that, i will not be using any other features
[04:32] <lynorian> skype doens't run the best on linux I have head
[04:32] <Laurel> a brightiness slider on the desktop would be nice... but for some reason the devs didnt think so.. oh well
[04:32] <Laurel> skype runs nice in ubuntu
[04:32] <Laurel> i use it often
[04:33] <lynorian> It should run the same as on ubuntu
[04:33] <Laurel> but i cnat install it here
[04:33] <Laurel> ubunti is easy. lubuntu is not
[04:37] <Laurel> or 'GTK viewer'  ?  as SMTube hardly works
[04:42] <gubbins> i am here
[04:42] <Laurel> i tried 'xubuntu'  im pretty convinced lubuntu 19 is faster
[04:43] <Laurel> Just the gui software center is unusable.  and the apps and general use a  bit harder to install and figure out
[04:43] <Laurel> if i could oipen the gui i can at least see if they have any youtube stuff.
[04:47] <Laurel> any ideas?
[04:48] <Laurel> any youtube viewer /browser app that works in lubuntu 19?
[04:50] <Laurel> damn.. everyone left.. i guess another 2 hours wait
[04:52] <krytarik> Laurel: This ain't how volunteer support works best btw.
[04:52] <Laurel> sorry, didnt understand that,
[04:53] <Laurel> I'm not a hater. i have no bias.  When Lubuntu works i am blow naway by it sspeed with just a 1gb ram netbook. absolutely blown away. Chromium, and most of teh desktop apps.. incredible.   when it doesnt work, im totally lost though lol
[04:54] <Laurel> all i need is a chat client that can handle skype. and a bette rmore reliable youtube app viewer, and its perfect.  totally usable.  even on a utterly useless 2010 netbook
[04:55] <Laurel> just cant go into the gui software center tho.  wont need to if i can get the few things i need anyway
[04:59] <gubbins> no ideas anyone ?
[04:59] <gubbins> i cat even search myself cos i dont know what runs and what doesnt.  'lxqt' copatible ive no idea
[04:59] <gubbins> its me agin, on my netbook,, chromium much better then firefox on 1gb
[05:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> palemoon?
[05:01] <tomreyn> about:performance in firefox may help identify the bottleneck there
[05:01] <tomreyn> but 1 GB RAM is just... not much
[05:01] <tomreyn> zram might help a bit
[05:02] <gubbins> chromium is usable as abrowser on here.   as long as i dont go youtube
[05:02] <gubbins> which is why is want a youtube viewer that reiable and works with lubuntu  19
[05:02] <tomreyn> try vlc
[05:03] <gubbins> it works. but still haev to surf the web to get the links.   better to use an app
[05:04] <gubbins> ill instal zram also if it helps.  but how?
[05:05] <tomreyn> it compresses data written to your ram. meaning RAM access gets slower, but more fits in,
[05:06] <gubbins> you recomend it for a 1gb netnook?
[05:06] <tomreyn> i recommend acquiring more ram.
[05:06] <tomreyn> and zram as a fall back option if thats not an option
[05:07] <gubbins> its not an option
[05:07] <gubbins> can you please help me finish off this installation. im almost there
[05:07] <gubbins> its hard to catfh anyone here for help
[05:08] <tomreyn> i've never installed zram myself, just read about others doing it.
[05:08] <gubbins> afte i get suggestions in here, im left with no way to actually perform them
[05:09] <gubbins> ok
[05:09] <gubbins> how about  goo youtube viewer?
[05:09] <gubbins> good*
[05:09] <gubbins> and skype.  then im done
[05:09] <gubbins> skype not essential tho
[05:10] <gubbins> youtube viewr ore inportant
[05:10] <gubbins> more*
[05:11] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can try kodi. it take about 150-200Mb memory and have youtube plugin. but i don't know about hardware acceleration video playback on your's netbook
[05:11] <gubbins> worth a try
[05:12] <gubbins> vlc player works nice. bu the pp i use with it doesnt. . many videos wont work
[05:12] <gubbins> app*
[05:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> and a hear about script to move youtube stream to vlc/mpv/any_player
[05:13] <gubbins> kodi has an actual youtube gui ?
[05:13] <gubbins> well, this needs y obe a youtube app gui, and click to play am , auto open in vlc etc
[05:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i use kodi 17/18 with lubuntu 18.04. don't use youtube
[05:14] <gubbins> the use of this laptop wont be pasting anything lol.  i need simple
[05:14] <gubbins> su=ounds good.  can it instal in 19?  i have 19 here
[05:16] <tomreyn> !yy.mm
[05:16] <gubbins> lubuntu 19.04
[05:16] <gubbins> the new one
[05:17] <gubbins> but my sicover ap is just broken.  either tha t or my 1gb cant handle opening it
[05:18] <gubbins> discover app*
[05:18] <gubbins> i have the 64 bit processor and 1gb ram, so use the 64 bit os
[05:18] <gubbins> crasy
[05:19] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://kodi.wiki/view/Supported_hardware
[05:20] <gubbins> idont know what hardware i have .  i have acer aspire ne netbok  1gb ram, intel atom processor
[05:20] <gubbins> btu its wrorth a try, VLC player wrks
[05:20] <gubbins> can you tell me how to instal please
[05:20] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'     will tell what hardware you have
[05:22] <gubbins> i psted it and nothing happene
[05:22] <gubbins> pasted it in terminal *
[05:22] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i use acer ao725 amd-c60 2gb. can play h264 1080
[05:23] <gubbins> i am happy playing 360 p  i jsut wat a reiable played streaming youtube
[05:23] <gubbins> please tell me how to instal
[05:24] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install_Kodi_for_Linux
[05:24] <gubbins> im sory i cat do it
[05:24] <gubbins> which  one am i supposed to paste in ?
[05:24] <gubbins> so many 'flavours' i never know\
[05:25] <JohnDoe_71Rus> try stable first
[05:25] <gubbins> the first section?
[05:25] <gubbins> ive no idea
[05:25] <gubbins> so many termnal commend tehre
[05:25] <gubbins> which ones to paste?
[05:26] <JohnDoe_71Rus> first 4 lines to add ppa and install kodi
[05:26] <gubbins> thanks
[05:30] <gubbins> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kodi/kodi_18.2+git20190422.1151-final-0disco_all.deb  Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[05:31] <gubbins> didnt seem to install either. cant find it
[05:31] <JohnDoe_71Rus> try agane
[05:32] <gubbins> all of it ?
[05:32] <JohnDoe_71Rus>  update was without error?
[05:33] <gubbins>   Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kodi/kodi_18.2+git20190422.1151-final-0disco_all.deb  Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[05:33] <gubbins> the frst 3 were without  i think
[05:33] <gubbins> the last one has error
[05:33] <gubbins> oh, some errors also
[05:33] <gubbins> ]Err:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/midori/ppa/ubuntu disco Release          404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[05:35] <Laurel> ?
[05:35] <Laurel> why am i getting silences
[05:35] <Laurel> silenced*
[05:35] <gubbins> ?
[05:36] <gubbins> i think the disco' release parts  are not downloading
[05:39] <gubbins> can u see me or have i been muteed?
[05:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> run sudo apt-get install kodi agane
[05:41] <gubbins> idid. same result
[05:43] <JohnDoe_71Rus> wait some time. i can open http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kodi/ and can download *.deb. you have internet trouble
[05:43] <gubbins> my net seems fien on other things.   i tihnk its downloaing now
[05:43] <gubbins> think it mght have done ok
[05:44] <gubbins> termina dissapeared before icould check
[05:44] <gubbins> but i cat find teh app in my thing yet
[05:44] <gubbins> its there now.. opening
[05:44] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://kodi.wiki/view/Add-on:YouTube
[05:46] <gubbins> thanks ill try to add it
[05:48] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/index.html look this too
[05:55] <Laurel> t oheavy for my system unfortunately  . it freezes amost completely when doing video search
[05:56] <Laurel> had t or reboot it got stuck
[05:57] <Laurel> i dont want to download, just stream.  that second link can stream also ?
[05:58] <Laurel> i think 'GTK Viewer' is common in ubuntu.. but maybe not available here
[05:58] <tomreyn> https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube
[05:59] <tomreyn> (is also in ubuntu)
[05:59] <bobbins> gubbins here. back from reboot
[06:00] <Laurel> i can try it, but how on earth do i instlal it lol.  git hub is like heiroglyphics to me.  always was
[06:04] <Laurel>  ~/.local/bin should be in your PATH for --user installs.   no idea wat i tmeans..  do i just copy an dpaste or i  have to choose carefully?
[06:04] <Laurel> using 'pip'?
[06:05] <Laurel> sorry,  giving me links  with that stuff in, i just dont know waht im supposed to d owith it
[06:06] <bobbins> and also can you give the link again?  i cat see it in tehis netbook as i was not in room at the time, was restarting
[06:08] <bobbins> Command 'pip3' not found, but can be installed with:  sudo apt install python3-pip
[06:09] <bobbins> i cat do it on my on guys..   you have to understand this is all greek to me\
[06:10] <bobbins> shal i istall python pip then?   i'll jus tbreak my bloody OS if i try to do thing smyself
[06:11] <bobbins> instaling python pip,  not my fault if it screws up
[06:14] <bobbins> installed it  but got this warning
[06:14] <bobbins> The script mpsyt is installed in '/home/john/.local/bin' which is not on PATH.   Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location.
[06:14] <bobbins> nothing i n do about it  no idea how to change anything,  this is the problem with linux,  no help = totally stuck until i get help
[06:15] <bobbins> and i cat see anything anywhefre.  where did it instal to?  cant run it
[06:15] <bobbins> jee....
[06:16] <bobbins> how to get help wih this os?  or no help room officially exists?
[06:16] <bobbins> i tried askijg questions in ubuntu forum. but didnt get much joy out of that
[06:17] <bobbins> well tat was a waste, i cnat instll it... just cluttred my os with more crap
[06:17] <bobbins> like midori earlier.. wuldnt instal.
[06:17] <bobbins> now this thing wont
[06:17] <bobbins> and im tlking to myself
[06:18] <bobbins> thanks for the help.. but if ure gonna disapear for 20 - 40 minutes everytime u leave a link.. could you tll me?   im left writing for help and noone even reading it
[06:20] <bobbins> Successfully installed mps-youtube-0.2.8 pafy-0.5.4  well how to run it or even find it ?? ANYONE ? ? ?
[06:22] <bobbins> $ mps-youtube mps-youtube: command not found
[06:22] <bobbins> fking termninal
[06:22] <bobbins> how am i supposed to know how to start it
[06:29] <bobbins> well.. cheers for the suggestions.... and not for dissapearing...  that doent wrk well at all..
[06:30] <bobbins> i get infuriated with this..... wt good are suggestions if u wont bloody help me perfrom them ?
[06:31] <bobbins> linux is the most infurtiating thing ive ever come across
[06:31] <bobbins> i wish it understood violence. it beat it to a pulp until it did what i wanted
[06:38] <bobbins> wow.. this is actualy 'support'  it says on teh banner on top
[06:39] <bobbins> i suppose this is a good as it gets
[06:39] <bobbins> thanks for the efforts
[06:39] <bobbins> linux is for people who are chronically unhealty and spend to muc htim in front of a monitor ,   how the heck ca u perform andlearn this stuff and still live a health life?
[06:40] <bobbins> and if im expected to learn it, you can forget that
[06:40] <krytarik> bobbins: I'd appreciate if you stopped now filling this channel with your unwarranted rants - thanks.
[06:40] <bobbins> i feel like a god damn corpse already
[06:41] <bobbins> im fien thanks.. id appreciate some help.  instead of a room with 100 peopleand hardl anyone participaing
[06:41] <bobbins> this is a support channel ?
[06:42] <bobbins> and u wont even answer me that question will you
[06:42] <bobbins> incredible
[06:43] <krytarik> https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube - fwiw, everything you needed to know about how to install and run the program is on this page, but apparently..
[06:43] <bobbins> yes. apparently im not a computer geek
[06:43] <bobbins> I a canot do it.  you all sw my strugglglinh to hell... but decided to just watch
[06:44] <bobbins> how man ytimes did i ask for help with what to do\
[06:44] <bobbins> but 'apparently'  that makes me thick
[06:45] <bobbins> am i supposed to use the linux instal?  the ubutu?  instal python??   how teh hell do i know
[06:45] <bobbins> i think i insaled it anyway eventually. and it doet work
[06:46] <bobbins> Error fetching data. Possible network issue. Youtube Error 403: Daily Limit Exceeded. The quota will be reset at midnight Pacific Time (PT). You may monitor your quota usage and adjust limits in the API Console: https://console.developers.google.com/apis/api/youtube.googleapis.com/quotas?project=422897895433    >
[06:46] <bobbins> but i dont expect u to even acknowledge that problem either
[06:48] <bobbins> thanks for hinting that im stupid by the way
[06:48] <bobbins> really classy
[06:48] <bobbins> typica linux user
[06:48] <krytarik> You are welcome!
[06:49] <bobbins> id rather be 'stupid that waste my time learning that crap.  i bet u look like a flacid pale sack by now.   the price of being linux liteterate
[06:53] <bobbins> when was the last time you did any exercise?
[06:53] <bobbins> a flacid potato calijng me 'stupid'  cos i dunno t oinstal a linux version or a ubuntu verson.  wat a sham
[06:54] <krytarik> If you are done being aggressive towards the volunteers trying to help you, please leave this channel.
[06:55] <bobbins> oh yea.. it was all me.. like u didnt call me stupid and i didnt say thanks to te guys who did try to help
[06:56] <bobbins> i just also said whatthe use in giving me a sugestion then dissapear8ing when i dont know what to do
[06:56] <krytarik> Yeah, I didn't, you did.
[06:56] <bobbins> then mr flacid potato called me stupid
[06:57] <bobbins> u suggested it. in your usual aloof linux manor
[07:33] <Laurel> either way.. im amazed how swift lubuntu 19 is
[07:34] <zap0> upgraded 18.04  to 18.10  ....  now i want to upgrade to 19.04
[07:34] <Laurel> regardless of many of my pleas in here falling on deaf ears.   lubuntu is an amazing acheivement
[07:35] <Laurel> it has no right to be that fast on a 1gb intel atom 2010 netbook
[07:36] <krytarik> zap0: Are you just announcing your progress on that, or do you need any help?
[07:36] <zap0> Laurel what netbook have you got..
[07:36] <Laurel> acer aspire one d255  1gb ram
[07:37] <zap0> i just upgraded to 18.10  on a similar ^H^H  probably the same as that.. it now flies along!
[07:37] <Laurel> and in lubuntu 19, with google chrome, and using 'SMTube' for playing youtube videos at 360p.   its astounding.    only thing that wont run well is the gui software app. just freezes.
[07:37] <zap0> krytarik i was wondering if someone could direct me to that document that describes the upgrade process
[07:38] <Laurel> krytarik thinks im stupid
[07:38] <Laurel> zap0  wat method have you discovefrd is best for watching youtube ?
[07:39] <zap0> Laurel i think you are pushing the limits of that hardware!
[07:39] <Laurel> the SMTube works  fantastically wel with vlc.  but some videos wont play
[07:39] <acheronuk> zap0: https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[07:39] <zap0> will not play at all?    or you just don't have codecs
[07:39] <Laurel> well zap.. gonestly.  with chromium, and the smtube for the youtube... its not sweating much.
[07:39] <zap0> acheronuk  that looks like it,  thank oy.u
[07:39] <zap0> you./
[07:40] <Laurel> no, just said wont open or something... maybe the app wont play from some 'offical' sites.  maybe blocked.  music etc
[07:40] <acheronuk> zap0: FYI, the manual link in in this channels topic ;)
[07:40] <acheronuk> *is in
[07:45] <Laurel> i'm amazed
[07:46] <Laurel> my netbook is behaving like somethin with 2, maybe even 4gb and with a half decent processor.  what sorcery is this
[07:46] <Laurel> lubuntu runs maybe faster or as fast as puppy.  but looks pleasing on the eyes
[07:47] <Laurel> whos responsible for this lubuntu. the guy is a genius.  just wish he'd put a brightness slider toggle on the taskbar though
[07:58] <cet> Laurel: hahah, glad you like it
[07:58] <cet> Laurel: you could probably do something about brightness by mapping a shortcut for xbacklight
[08:06] <Laurel> true @ cet  but its a bit to complicated for me
[08:08] <cet> You'll get used
[08:09] <Laurel> hmm  also everytime i  start chromium, it says 'make default?'   i make it default but it doesnt remrember.  every time i start it it asks
[08:19] <DiscoDynamite> how can we set right click for paste in LXTerminal ?
[08:32] <zap0> DD, that would be awesome idea
[08:34] <DiscoDynamite> yes, currently the right-click is blinded as "menu".  trying to figure out if we can modify that
[15:12] <moses> hello
[15:14] <moses> I want to move my iMac G5 PowerPC completly on lubuntu. The current problem is that I cannot get it to boot from USB or DVD. All the attempts with 'c' or 'option' or open firmware failed
[15:14] <moses> any ideas
[15:22] <diogenes_> moses, it's always tgoublesome with macs running linux, try this project: https://github.com/TheP1nguinExpanded/UbuntuMATExMacbooks
 parallel desktop?
[15:30] <moses> diogenes thanks but it seems that its to recent 'macbook pro 2016/17' I own an old iMac Power PC G5 ... which I would like to wipe completly and run lubuntu on it. Hardware still great but Mac OS too old and no software support
[15:31] <moses> parallel desktop with powerpc possible?
[15:31] <moses> I know it with intel based cpus
 oops...
[15:33] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-powerpc
 http://lowendmac.com/2018/installing-linux-on-powerpc-macs/
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/ppclinux/
[15:36] <moses> thanks I know this already. I am triying the alternate iso image from lubuntu
 ok
[15:36] <moses> it seems that at least the 'c' option for booting from the cd is working ...
[15:39] <moses> ok it seems to work now at least I am in the installation procedure and it searchs through the CD rom
 ok
[15:39] <moses> thanks for your help
 let us know if you need more help..
 feel fre
 free* to ask
[15:40] <moses> hope not ... ;-)
 ;)
[15:40] <moses> but thanks
[16:20] <misa_> hi
[16:52] <sammie> Just installed 19.04. Excellent!
 really?
 any different from 18.10 ?
[16:53] <sammie> Overall, it seems more polished and performance is very good.
 QT right?
[16:54] <sammie> Yes, QT. Looks really modern and is smooth.
 for me I"m facing lot of network issues
[16:54] <sammie> Is it the network applet in the system tray? That is a bit clunky.
 the gui tools for managing network are kind of missing
 Yup
 So you gotta' install Connman UI
[16:55] <sammie> It's slightly better in 19.04. Enough so, that I find it useable.
[16:55] <sammie> What is Conman UI? I haven't heard of that.
 😏
 even I didn't till I had to download ...
[16:56] <sammie> I'll have to look into that. Thanks.
 that's a network manager frontend in QT
[16:57] <sammie> 19.04 is also pretty light on RAM, not like 18.04, but it's still pretty good. About 300-500MB for a base system.
 really...
 but shouldn't be a major one from 18.10 ..correct?
[16:58] <sammie> Yes, not something you'd install on really old hardware, but still pretty light.
 okie Dokie , thanks!
[20:14] <non> hello
 @non [<non> hello], hello
 just ask your question
 Hey guys lubuntu question. I used to get an Open PGP key authentication message on my lubuntu laptop at home. I don't anymore. What's weirder is that i connected to my work wifi and was able to receive the message normally (about 1 min after booting). Is there anything within preferences I can check to see how to reenable the popu
[23:54] <Laurel> hmm


[07:36] <juergh> @tomreyn, that page was modified today so IMO should be updated.
[07:37] <juergh>  @apw https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html is missing impish and jammy.
[07:37] <juergh> maeh. apw ^^
[07:38] <juergh> hirsute looks outdated as well.
[07:39] <juergh> hrm. it all looks outdated. so either broken or no longer maintained.
[15:48] <croraf> juergh, it is still outdated as far as I see, the focal linux-hwe shows no kernels.
[16:23] <juergh> croraf, yes, it's outdated but I have no visibility into what is generating that page. apw might have.
[20:20] <apw> juergh, yeah that mapping is sad currently
[20:21] <apw> it is generated (for poorly explained reasons) by cve-autotriage, which i think moved and noone told me.
[21:44] <apw> croraf, its on my list of things which are broken at the moment already
[21:45] <apw> croraf, what are you using that list to get information wise?
[21:45] <apw> (i am wondering if really that is actually a sensible source or not)
[21:47] <croraf> I used tried to use that to find what is the latest kernel for my distribution so I update to it.
[21:47] <croraf> And before I wanted to see the actual mapping to the mainline kernel.
[21:48] <apw> rmadison is probabally a better conduit for the first one, but the second is the primary meaning of that file.
[21:49] <croraf> I did found this command though: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[21:49] <croraf> Which helped me acheive my goal.
[21:49] <apw> anyhow, basically that thing is getting the information from a poor source, and needs a major overhall, so its going to take a while to repair most likely
[21:50] <croraf> (yes, someone suggested rmadison, tom I think, but I didn't catch it)
[21:51] <croraf> Before I needed that list when some of my drivers was not working, so I tried to find which distribution and kernel I have to install to match the mainline that has a fix.
[21:53] <croraf> Would also be nice to have like a roadmap of future kernels.
[21:53] <croraf> (with mapping to mainline kernel)
[23:33] <croraf> Is it recommended to install kernel packages as linux-image-generic or linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[23:33] <croraf> instead of linux-image-5.4.0-90-generic or linux-image-5.11.0-40-generic?
[23:34] <sarnold> the linux-image-generic and similar packages are the way you get kernel upgrades
[23:37] <croraf> linux-image-generic is the default, right?
[23:43] <sarnold> I'm not entirely sure what's the default on eg our desktop installer images any more. each of the big clouds has their own, different hardware packages have their own, etc etc


[03:21] <zul> @schedulre montreal
[03:21] <zul> @schedule montreal
[03:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu
[04:24] <Arbiter> @schedule italy
[04:24] <Arbiter> pfff :D
[04:24] <Arbiter> @schedule Rome
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu
[04:24] <jsgotangco> try a city
[04:25] <jsgotangco> @schedule Manila
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 26 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Aug 04:00: Technical Board | 03 Aug 04:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu
[04:25] <Arbiter> there's no planned community council before sat?
[04:26] <Arbiter> (saturday)
[04:26] <jsgotangco> it has been a busy week for knot1 it will be annouced for sure when a CC would convene
[04:26] <Arbiter> ow
[05:27] <ogra> heya
[05:27] <RichEd> hello :)
[05:27] <ogra> @schedule berlin
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu
[05:27] <ogra> see
[05:28] <RichEd> okay ...
[05:28] <ogra> add your city to the @schedule  command and it will compute the times to your TZ
[05:28] <RichEd> @schedule Cape Town
[05:28] <ogra> @schedule CapeTown
[05:29] <RichEd> @schedule CapeTown
[05:29] <ogra> well, i guess you have to take jo-burg :)
[05:29] <RichEd> qill check link to see where it thinks I am (probably Johannesburg)
[05:29] <RichEd> qill <- will
[05:29] <jsgotangco> @schedule Pretoria
[05:29] <RichEd> thanks ... will be able to work it out from here :)
[05:29] <ogra> @schedule Johannesburg
[05:29] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu
[05:30] <ogra> yay
[05:30] <ogra> :)
[05:30] <RichEd> thanks ...
[05:30] <ogra> @now
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 25 2006, 15:30:23 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 20 hours 29 minutes
[05:30] <ogra> also helpful :)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> @schedule Zulu
[05:30] <RichEd> how far in advance is the schedule ?
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/Zulu: 26 Jul 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu
[05:31] <ogra> edubuntu has fixed dates, so our is nearly alll the time up to date ...
[05:31] <RichEd> is it a link from somewhere or does some poor sucker have to key it in here ?
[05:31] <jsgotangco> @schedule Vladivostok
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Vladivostok: 26 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Aug 07:00: Technical Board | 03 Aug 07:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu
[05:31] <ogra> the others as they are added to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[05:31] <RichEd> @schedule Beirut
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Beirut: 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu
[05:32] <RichEd> to talk about working under pressure <- scary overhead noises
[05:39] <rodarvus> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[05:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 26 Jul 09:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu
[07:20] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu
[09:06] <mhz> quidam-: ves?


[14:47] <Odo> hi folks
[14:55] <erUSUL> hi
[18:28] <nanotube> hey guys... so what are you using for the ubuntu floodbots? is it a supybot plugin, or some other bot entirely?
[18:31] <Pici> nanotube: We're using a custom created bot.  The source is not currently available but it is being cleaned up currently to prepare for release.
[18:31] <LjL> nanotube: and no, it won't reply to your commands.
[18:32] <nanotube> Pici: thanks for the info
[18:32] <nanotube> LjL: i already know that - i only asked here after my queries went unanswered by the bot :)
[18:32] <LjL> heh
[18:32] <niko> nanotube: what is your real question ?
[18:33] <Pici> I thik I answered it already ;)
[18:34] <nanotube> niko: well, i'm running a supybot, and wanted to know if your floodbot uses a supybot plugin, or if i'll have to write my own floodbot plugin
[18:34] <niko> check ChannelManager
[18:34] <niko> !download
[18:34] <niko> ah
[18:34] <niko> one second
[18:35] <niko> nanotube: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-bots/ubotufr/files/head%3A/ChannelManager/
[18:37] <nanotube> niko: ah thanks, that looks like it could be useful. :)
[18:37] <niko> used in #ubuntu-fr* and #ubuntu-es
[18:38] <niko> feel free to pm if you need help
[18:38] <nanotube> niko: thanks a lot mate! i'll take a look when i have a bit of time. :)
[23:51] <erUSUL> is there any way to contact people responsible for the repos ? i mean someone is getting
[23:51]  * erUSUL pastes 3 lines
[23:51] <erUSUL>  erUSUL, Failed to fetch
[23:51] <erUSUL>               http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kde4libs/kdelibs5-data_4.2.2-0ubuntu5.1_all.deb
[23:51] <erUSUL> 00:47 < stsm>   404 Not Found
[23:52] <niko> did you try another repository ?
[23:52] <erUSUL> niko: security has no mirrors afaik
[23:53]  * erUSUL meh the reporter leave the channel
[23:53] <niko> $dpkg -l | grep kde
[23:53] <niko> $
[23:53] <niko> :)
[23:54] <nalioth> erUSUL: if they're using an old release, it can happen
[23:57] <erUSUL> nalioth: as i said the guy left the chanel so who knows
[23:57] <erUSUL> nalioth: the problem may well go away with "aptitude update"


[09:09] <ubuntu_mad> hi peeps
[09:10] <ubuntu_mad> can you direct me to the correct place for 11.04 issues via irc
[09:24] <ubuntu_mad> found it #ubuntu+1


[14:09] <bazhang> haskells at dawn!
[14:10] <DJones> Hmmh, a troll trolling themselves
 get gentoo dude
[14:11] <k1l_> [lulzer] (93578f7d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>):  and [lulzer2] (93578f13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>):
[14:11] <bazhang> whoever wins we are the lulzers
[14:12] <k1l_> seems like a college in switzerland got some break
[14:12] <Pici> yep
[14:12] <Pici> #freenode trolling is up this week too
[14:17]  * Myrtti rests her head on her hands
[14:17] <k1l_> Myrtti: aka double facepalm? :)
[14:18] <Myrtti> no, just looking at utter fascination
[14:18] <Myrtti> "how is this possible"
[14:18] <Myrtti> aka "wow"
[14:21] <Pici> k1l_: is that what gentoo's /etc/issue says?
[14:21] <k1l_> yep
[14:22] <Pici> ah, didn't know that.
[14:25] <Myrtti> same ip range
[14:25] <Pici> yep
[14:25] <DJones><EMAIL_ADDRESS>- newbehelper
[14:25] <k1l_> the lulzer2 guy
[14:25] <Pici> yep
[14:25] <DJones> yep
[14:25] <Myrtti> bazhang: you're wasting your time
[14:26] <bazhang> Myrtti, thats what they said after unity hit
[14:26] <bazhang> I carry on nonetheless
[14:31] <Myrtti> ok then.
[16:39] <teward> can someone banforward lnr to ##fix_your_connection in #Ubuntu please?
[16:39] <teward> [2015-03-20 12:39:32] * lnr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[16:39] <teward> [2015-03-20 12:39:33] * lnr has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[16:39] <teward> ^ repeatedly
[16:40] <k1l_> yep, done. thanks
[16:40] <teward> k1l_: thanks
[16:43] <genii> k1l_: Maybe also in -ot
[16:43] <k1l_> i am not an op there
[16:44] <Flannel> No, removal from #u stopped the SendQ problem.  You could probably remove the ban now and his client will be fine.
[16:44] <Flannel> If you're quick, sometimes you can just kick them from #u and it'll fix it.
[16:45] <k1l_> for the join/part forwards i do set a 1d duration usually.
[16:45] <IdleOne> i hour is usually enough
[16:45] <IdleOne> 1 also
[17:58] <genii> Hm, is kshitijk an acceptable nick?
[18:02] <genii> Requested they change it but may be afk.


[06:16]  * roryy wonders why update-notifier depends on udisks
[09:35] <Kilos> good morning superfly and others
[09:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:35]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[09:35] <Maaz> Sure thing, Kilos. Hey guys, bring your own mugs! I'm tired of doing all the dishes on my own.
[09:36] <Kilos> hi lengau
[09:37] <panphried> morning all
[09:38] <Kilos> lo panphried
[09:38] <panphried> can i have some coffee pls?
[09:38] <Kilos> just ask maaqz coffee please
[09:38] <panphried> Maaz, coffee please
[09:38] <Maaz> panphried: Sure
[09:38] <panphried> ah, a coffee bot, i seee
[09:38] <panphried> nice
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:39] <Kilos> he is an everything bot
[09:39] <Kilos> weather bot too
[09:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and panphried!
[09:39] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:39] <panphried> Maaz, weather in johannesburg today
[09:39] <Maaz> panphried: Too many places match johannesburg today: Johannesburg, California; Johannesburg, Michigan and Johannesburg, South Africa
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:39] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[09:39] <panphried> Maaz, ty
[09:39] <Maaz> Enjoy panphried
[09:40] <panphried> Maaz, weather in Johannesburg, South Africa today
[09:40] <Maaz> panphried: City not found
[09:40] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in johannesburg south africa
[09:40] <Maaz> Kilos: In Johannesburg, South Africa at 10:30 AM SAST on May 28, 2011: 11°C; Humidity: 44%; Wind: WNW at 20 km/h; Conditions: Clear; Sunrise/set: 6:44 AM SAST/5:23 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 2:40 AM SAST/2:18 PM SAST
[09:40] <panphried> lol. thanks Kilos
[09:40] <Kilos> yw
[09:40] <panphried> not too horrible
[09:41] <Kilos> he doesnt forcast just on the spot
[09:41] <panphried> whos joining for the africa day concert in newtown?
[09:41] <Kilos> dunno
[09:46] <panphried> wish the weather was a bit better, but i think its going to be nice.
[09:47] <Kilos> should be a nice day
[09:47] <panphried> anyone close to Newtown - Baaba Maal, Habib Koite, and many more - free concert
[09:47] <panphried> lets hope Kilos
[09:59] <roryy> morning
[09:59] <roryy> will this icy winter never end? *sob*
[09:59] <Kilos> morning roryy
[10:00] <Kilos> lol i also suffer in the cold
[10:00] <Kilos> so does the vodacom network
[10:01] <Kilos> still months to go and most likely gonna get colder some
[10:02] <roryy> yeah
[10:02] <roryy> ah well
[10:56] <Kilos> hi |3o|3 Squirm
[10:56] <|3o|3> Hey Kilos
[11:04] <Kilos> here is a site maybe interesting for you guys with servers
[11:04] <Kilos> http://www.servercircle.com
[11:05] <Kilos> or maybe some of you can go teach/help them even
[11:12] <roryy> looks stackoverflowish
[11:38] <Squirm> hiya Kilos
[16:29]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[16:48]  * Symmetria growls at people attempting to brute force his infrastructure
[17:01] <nlsthzn-work> Scary... :p
[17:07] <Symmetria> heh
[17:07] <Symmetria> easy way to deal with such people
[17:07] <Symmetria> :P null route their asses, complete ban to the entire network
[17:20] <Kerbero> hehe
[17:20] <Kerbero> awesome
[17:24] <nlsthzn-work> Never incur the wrath of the SysOp :p
[18:53] <nuvolari> kb<tab>
[18:53] <nuvolari> where's the monkey?
[18:53] <nuvolari> Kerbero: naand oom
[18:54] <nuvolari> er
[18:54] <nuvolari> lol
[18:54] <nuvolari> Kilos: naand oom
[18:54] <nuvolari> sorry Kerbero
[18:54] <nuvolari> g'evening anyways :P
[18:58] <nlsthzn-work> hey nuvolari, what's up?
[18:59] <nuvolari> hey nlsthzn-work
[18:59] <nuvolari> it's a bit nippy here
[18:59] <nuvolari> all of a sudden :/
[18:59] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari did you get that picture app in diasp.org to work for you now?
[18:59] <nuvolari> how are things there?
[18:59] <nlsthzn-work> hot as hell
[18:59] <nlsthzn-work> :p
[18:59] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: will check just now
[19:00] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: as long as it *is not* hell :P
[19:00] <nlsthzn-work> ah, ok... I got it to work for me... seems a bit silly (... except if you like to collect lol cats I guess)
[19:01] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari, I am not sure... it might be (this being my 4th night straight at work it might really be) ;)
[19:04] <nuvolari> this is ubsurd. every time I log in it tells me the page I'm looking for doesn't exist
[19:04] <nuvolari> after it seems to successfully authenticate me
[19:05] <nlsthzn-work> Must be a conspiracy
[19:06] <nuvolari> I blame M$
[19:09] <nlsthzn-work> Uncle Bill does not approve
[22:29] <Kilos> winter in africa
[22:29] <Kilos> sleep warm all. see ya morrow time


[00:02] <wallyworld> waigani: hi
[00:03] <waigani> wallyworld: could I hangout with you for 5min?
[00:03] <wallyworld> sure
[00:45] <perrito666> nites/morning people
[00:46] <waigani> wallyworld: just swapped two occurrences of GetMockBuildTools for GetMockBundleTools in one file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7486270/
[00:47] <waigani> wallyworld: tests now pass
[00:47] <wallyworld> great
[00:48] <waigani> I'll leave it there for now unless you/william think it is urgent to get rid of GetMockBuildTools all together.
[00:48] <waigani> I need to start looking at identity now
[00:55] <hazmat`> g'morning
[00:55] <waigani> morning hazmat`
[00:55] <waigani> morning perrito666
[01:20] <wallyworld> axw: morning, good weekend?
[01:21] <axw> wallyworld: morning, yeah not too shabby
[01:21] <axw> never get to rest anymroe on the weekend though
[01:21] <wallyworld> i had to give my son a driving lesson, very stressful :-)
[01:21] <axw> ooh :)
[01:21] <wallyworld> good news on the house?
[01:21] <axw> mine was slightly stressful too ;)
[01:21] <axw> yes
[01:21] <wallyworld> \o/
[01:21] <axw> it is ours
[01:22] <wallyworld> great :-)
[01:22] <wallyworld> we should have martin back today, so standup tonight
[01:23] <axw> cool, sounds good
[01:23] <wallyworld> feel free to ping me before then if required. you've got some wip and i've made a couple of cards high propority
[01:23] <axw> no worries
[01:23] <wallyworld> the cards i've bumped are the cause of the last few test failures
[01:24] <wallyworld> on jenkins
[01:24] <thumper> axw, wallyworld: local tests are getting better, 5 times through only one failure, replicaset
[01:24] <wallyworld> yeah, getting there :-)
[01:24] <thumper> wallyworld: we need to chat, can I grab you in about 15 minutes?
[01:24] <wallyworld> sure, anytime
[01:24] <axw> thumper: glad to hear that
[01:24] <axw> the peergrouper one was a pain in the arse
[01:28] <thumper> any plans on how to fix the replica set failures?
[01:28] <thumper> they seem problematic
[01:30] <wallyworld> one fix has gone in already
[01:31] <wallyworld> to retry after starting mongo since the replicaset may not be ready just yet
[01:31] <wallyworld> just need to keep plugging away at it, mongo seems quite flakey at times
[02:17] <waigani_> just spotted this in trunk: provider/openstack/storage.go:59: assignment count mismatch: 3 = 2
[02:17] <waigani_> anyone on it?
[02:24] <wallyworld> waigani_: your goose deps are wrong
[02:25] <waigani_> oooh
[02:26] <wallyworld> godeps will fix it
[02:26] <waigani_> wallyworld: I just filed a bug. Is there a way to delete it or should I mark it as invalid?
[02:26] <wallyworld> mark it as invalid
[02:27] <waigani_> done
[02:54] <axw> wallyworld: are our architecture codes meant to match simplestreams? if not, is there a mapping somewhere?
[02:55] <wallyworld> the codes in arch.go?
[02:55] <axw> wallyworld: yeah, i386, armhf, etc.
[02:55] <wallyworld> there's a regexp transformation in arch.go
[02:55] <wallyworld> NormaliseArch()
[02:55] <axw> wallyworld: that's for uname
[02:55] <axw> isn't it?
[02:56] <axw> yeah, uname
[02:56] <wallyworld> ah, sorry was going from memory
[02:56] <axw> wallyworld: I found that the tests in environs/instances use dummy simplestreams data that has an entry for "arm", whereas we expect armhf
[02:56] <wallyworld> in that case i think the codes are meant to match
[02:57] <axw> wallyworld: ok, so I will change that dummy data
[02:57] <wallyworld> yeah, that may well be wrong
[02:59] <davechen1y> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1320738
[02:59] <_mup_> Bug #1320738: constraints: gccgo test failure <gccgo> <ppc64el> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320738>
[02:59] <davechen1y> bugger
[04:18] <waigani> Gobot reports environs/sync [build failed], but when I run the tests locally it passes... hmmm
[04:22] <waigani> ah, I see why, ignore me
[04:50] <jam> thumper: are we generally cancelling our weekly 1:1? Did you find a better time?
[05:07] <waigani> I'm hitting this on the gobot:
[05:07] <waigani> PANIC: sync_test.go:420: badBuildSuite.SetUpTest
[05:07] <waigani> ... Panic: cannot share a state between two dummy environs; old "only"; new "only"
[06:06] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1320738/comments/1
[06:07] <_mup_> Bug #1320738: constraints: gccgo test failure <gccgo> <ppc64el> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320738>
[06:07] <davecheney> annoying
[06:32] <davecheney> thoughts, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487106/ ?
[07:10] <wallyworld_> axw: did you confirm your mp fixes the tests on i386 by doing a test run, perhaps with version.Current.Arch hardcoded or something?
[07:11] <axw> wallyworld_: yes that's what I did
[07:11] <wallyworld_> great
[07:11] <axw> wallyworld_: modified juju/arch/arch.go
[07:12] <wallyworld_> ok
[07:13] <wallyworld_> axw: ultimately i'd like to mature the ToolsFixure and consolidate a lot of the older code
[07:13] <axw> wallyworld_: sounds good. less reliance on version.Current would be nice
[07:14] <wallyworld_> yep. it's all very messy in that area
[07:14] <axw> wallyworld_: are you going to look at the prereq too, or leave it for fwereade?
[07:14] <wallyworld_> looking now
[07:14] <dimitern> morning all!
[07:14] <wallyworld_> o/
[07:15] <axw> hye dimitern
[07:15] <axw> hey*
[07:15] <wallyworld_> axw: i also want to get rid of the hard coded json metadata cause we have marshalling capability now also
[07:16] <wallyworld_> oh, and don't forget to update the mp covering description of the 2nd branch
[07:16] <axw> wallyworld_: hm yeah. we could just have an init() function that renders the images/tools objects
[07:16] <axw> wallyworld_: will do
[07:17] <wallyworld_> we can set up a slice of metadata structs and just marshal those
[07:17] <wallyworld_> much easier than all the json
[07:17] <axw> yeah, very finicky
[07:18] <axw> miss a comma and it's all over
[07:20] <wallyworld_> yep, happened to me today
[07:20] <wallyworld_> had to run it through a parser to find the rrror
[08:14] <voidspace> morning all
[08:26] <mgz> morning!
[08:28] <TheMue> morning
[08:29] <jam> mgz: good morning
[08:35] <axw> wallyworld_: I think you're going to have to merge changes for i386 fixes in provider/joyent
[08:35] <wallyworld_> axw: yeah, figured as much when i saw your work :-)
[08:52] <axw> wallyworld_: any chance  we could delay the standup for till quarter past?
[08:52] <axw> -for
[08:52] <wallyworld_> axw: no problems
[08:52] <axw> thanks
[08:55] <wallyworld_> fwereade: hiya, will you be free for a chat in say 45 minutes?
[08:55] <fwereade> wallyworld_, sure
[08:56] <wallyworld_> awesome, i'll ping you after our standup
[09:13] <axw> wallyworld_ mgz ready when you are
[09:17] <dimitern> so is it intentional that virtually all team names (except onyx) are blue stones?
[09:17] <dimitern> :)
[09:18] <dimitern> i didn't know how moonstone or tanzanite look like, but both are blue and the latter is almost exactly the same color as sapphire
[09:37] <thumper> jam: yes, we need to find a better time...
[09:37] <jam> dimitern: tanzanite is actually a bit more of a purple, and moonstone is white.
[09:38] <jam> emerald is more green
[09:39] <mgz> dimitern: we just won, everything is a shade of blue now
[09:40] <dimitern> jam, yeah, I forgot about emerald :)
[09:40] <dimitern> mgz, exactly ;)
[09:40] <dimitern> mgz, welcome back btw
[09:42] <mgz> thanks dimitern :)
[09:47] <wallyworld_> fwereade: you ok for a chat now?
[09:48] <fwereade> wallyworld_, yeah
[09:49] <wallyworld_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g6w7cwvuro6wshqar324ytpg5ma?hl=en
[10:31] <jam> fwereade: if you're done chatting with wallyworld, I wouldn't mind an ear to bounce a couple more API thoughts off of
[10:33] <fwereade> jam, sure
[10:33] <fwereade> jam, done chatting with mgz as well :)
[10:34] <jam> fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/juju-sapphire
[10:34] <jam> we have our standup in 10m anyway
[10:38] <axw> mgz: I think I have the instancepoller test under control, will let you know later if I don't think I will get it fixed soon
[10:40] <mgz> axw: ace
[10:45] <perrito666> morning everyone
[10:46] <jam> vladk: dimitern: TheMue: standup ?
[10:47] <TheMue> jam: yep, lost the link :D
[11:00] <perrito666> fwereade: hi, regarding your comment in https://codereview.appspot.com/92320043/ do you have any objections regarding merging this?
[11:09] <jam> wallyworld_: have a good evening
[11:10] <wallyworld_> jam: will do, sorry long day today, very tired
[11:10] <jam> np
[11:12] <fwereade> perrito666, I think it's fine to merge
[11:12] <fwereade> perrito666, this feels like one of those cases where we really need some sort of docs though
[11:13] <fwereade> perrito666, just to make the expected usage and situations and so on clear
[11:13] <perrito666> fwereade: yup, we have doc duty too, but I did not want to propose a pull request for the docs before merging the code
[11:13] <fwereade> perrito666, one question: does this fail properly when run against an env with a running state server that *isn't* the bootstrap node?
[11:14] <fwereade> perrito666, I think we all agreed that docs come first
[11:14] <fwereade> perrito666, they don;t need to be *good* but they do need to go to evilnick early so he can massage them into shape
[11:14] <fwereade> perrito666, and so that we have some sort of idea what we're actually implementing, too ;)
[11:14] <perrito666> fwereade: agreed, specially since this use case is not all that intuitive
[11:15] <fwereade> perrito666, cool
[11:15]  * perrito666 pull requests first
[11:16] <perrito666> fwereade: mmm, good question about the node, it fails on non HA, Ill make a test run for that case just to be sure
[11:25] <voidspace> perrito666: morning
[11:27] <voidspace> axw: ping
[11:27] <voidspace> if you're still around
[11:36] <voidspace> natefinch: morning
[11:36] <voidspace> natefinch: who are you interviewing, anyone interesting?
[11:36] <jam> dimitern: did you want to talk about addressible containers with vladk ?
[11:36] <natefinch> voidspace: Not particularly... seems an ok candidate
[11:36] <voidspace> natefinch: cool
[11:37] <voidspace> natefinch: I'm down a rabbit hole of rsyslog changes (again)
[11:37] <natefinch> voidspace: ug
[11:37] <voidspace> natefinch: whilst flowing host ports around I discovered one serious bug in our current implementation
[11:37] <voidspace> natefinch: previously it was only port/cert that could change - so in the worker handler there's a shortcut that doesn't render/restart if those haven't changed
[11:37] <axw> voidspace: I'm here atm, but may disappear at a moment's notice
[11:38] <voidspace> natefinch: whereas now we can add a new state server without the port or cert changing
[11:38] <voidspace> natefinch: that was easy to fix
[11:38] <voidspace> axw: are you normally around until about this time?
[11:38] <voidspace> axw: I can ping you earlier tomorrow
[11:38] <axw> voidspace: no, not normally
[11:38] <voidspace> ah...
[11:38] <axw> voidspace: usually clock off about 1h40m ago
[11:41] <voidspace> axw: ok, I'm usually on well before then
[11:44] <voidspace> natefinch:  fwereade: FTR axw says that the rsyslog port and cert are in the environment "at the time the environment is bootstrapped"
[11:44] <axw> ooh wait
[11:44] <voidspace> natefinch: fwereade which means that we are fine to only watch APIHostPorts in the general case
[11:45] <voidspace> axw: haha, ok...
[11:45] <axw> voidspace: I may have brain farted
[11:45] <voidspace> axw: would you rather continue this tomorrow - I have plenty of other stuff in the meantime
[11:46] <natefinch> jam: FYI - I have to skip our meeting today to get the kids prepped early so I can be ready for the interview in a little over an hour.
[11:46] <axw> voidspace: probably better, I don't want to keep feeding you lies
[11:46] <axw> voidspace: I think the rsyslog-ca-cert is actually generated post-bootstrap
[11:47] <voidspace> axw: hmm... ok
[11:47] <axw> that doesn't need to be kept like that though
[11:47] <axw> was just to consolidate bootstrap/upgrade logic
[11:47] <voidspace> axw: you can point me to the code tomorrow
[11:48] <voidspace> axw: so long as it is *before* the rsyslog worker is created we're ok, but that may not be the case
[11:48] <axw> voidspace: it's not, it's created by the rsyslog worker
[11:48] <axw> voidspace: see "ensureCertificates" in worker/rsyslog/worker.go
[11:48] <voidspace> axw: ah, which also doesn't matter then
[11:49] <voidspace> it sounds like we're good
[11:49] <voidspace> axw: I'll spelunk that code a bit more
[11:49] <axw> cool
[11:50] <axw> fwiw I think we could extract that bit out to bootstrap time, and make rsyslog-ca-cert immutable in 1.20
[11:50] <voidspace> ok
[11:59] <voidspace> lunch
[11:59] <perrito666> voidspace: you have the most random lunch pattern ever
[12:03] <jam1> perrito666: I've got 10 minutes before my next meeting… Lunch!
[12:03] <voidspace> perrito666: yup
[12:03] <voidspace> perrito666: I *aim* for 1pm (now) - but often miss it by a couple of hours
[12:04] <jam> natefinch: one thought, the test here: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/local-deploy/1309/console is running on a Precise machine. which *might* be why it would be seeing different results.
[12:04] <voidspace> perrito666: although moving our standup to 3pm made that harder
[12:04] <voidspace> perrito666: so this sort of time will probably be more normal for me now
[12:05] <perrito666> voidspace: good luck then :)
[12:38] <perrito666> fwereade: nice spot there, turns out that restore will restore if there are other state-machines as long as machine 0 is dead
[12:38] <fwereade> perrito666, cool
[12:38] <fwereade> perrito666, well, not cool
[12:38] <fwereade> ykwim
[12:39] <perrito666> hehe, yep
[12:39] <fwereade> perrito666, is it that we're not storing the current set of state servers on the provider now?
[12:45] <TheMue> jam: I have to step out for some minutes. there are some open questions in our doc, could you please take a quick look? tia
[12:45] <perrito666> fwereade: I think it is the way restore checks if stateservers are up, as long as one is down it will consider that it is safe to restore
[13:14] <jam> TheMue: I tried to respond to them, there are a few more "comments" in the dropdown box that seem to be related to stuff you've already deleted.
[13:32] <jamespage> fwereade, fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1314686 is blocking any SRU activity of 1.18.x into trusty right now
[13:32] <_mup_> Bug #1314686: Please add support for utopic <packaging> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.18:Fix Committed by wallyworld> <juju-core (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1314686>
[13:34] <wallyworld_> jamespage: we can't help unless the extra mongo logs are attached as requested so we can see what is going wrong
[13:36] <jamespage> wallyworld_, rbasak is just reproducing again to get that
[13:36] <wallyworld_> great, thanks :-)
[13:37] <wallyworld_> we may need to set up a utopic vm to test with
[13:37] <jamespage> wallyworld_, sure - we have pubished cloud images on the daily stream for utopic now
[13:38] <wallyworld_> the initial fix was for the core issue with juju which was lack of utopic knoledge
[13:38] <wallyworld_> juju now knows about utopic but i guess mongo is unhappy
[13:39] <jamespage> wallyworld_, maybe - I'm just upgrading a server to utopic to repro as well
[13:39] <wallyworld_> ok. i was hoping teaching juju about utopic would be enough
[13:40] <wallyworld_> a new bug may be pertinent as there are 2 separate issues to address
[13:40] <TheMue> back again
[13:40] <TheMue> jam: thx, will take a look
[13:47] <voidspace> is there any way of building all test packages *as well*
[13:47] <voidspace> I would like to find compile errors in the tests (I've changed some apis) and "go build ./..."
[13:47] <voidspace> omits test packages
[13:47] <voidspace> hmmm... maybe it has a flag
[13:53] <perrito666> fwereade: you where right
 perrito666, is it that we're not storing the current set of state servers on the provider now?
[13:55] <fwereade> perrito666, cool
[13:55] <perrito666> fwereade: not really :p
[13:55] <perrito666> hehehe
[13:56] <fwereade> perrito666, on this occasion, I men it's cool that my psychic debugging skills are still here
[13:56] <fwereade> perrito666, and at least there should be a path to fixing that, right?
[13:56] <perrito666> yep :)
[15:03] <voidspace> natefinch: you still interviewing?
[15:04] <natefinch> voidspace: sorry, no, got caught up in writing down my thoughts about it.  I'll be right there
[15:04] <voidspace> natefinch: cool
[15:06] <natefinch> wwitzel3: standup?
[15:07] <mattyw> natefinch, perrito666 Hi guys, I've been working on other things today so I'll be taking a look at the ensureavailabilty command tomorrow, just wanted to let you know
[15:07] <natefinch> mattyw: cool, no problem
[15:07] <natefinch> mattyw: we're doing a standup right now, would you like to join?
[15:07] <mattyw> natefinch, I certainly can do
[15:08] <mattyw> natefinch, moonstone?
[15:08] <natefinch> mattyw: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=1
[15:08] <natefinch> yep
[15:18] <voidspace> natefinch: this is a diff against Wayne's branch
[15:18] <voidspace> https://code.launchpad.net/~mfoord/juju-core/ha-rsyslog-api/+merge/220087
[15:19] <voidspace> natefinch: this is before fixing the old tests that are now broken and adding new tests for the changed behaviour
[15:25] <voidspace> natefinch: lines 339-343 of that diff is the removal of the obsolete check (without which the existing CL is broken)
[15:42] <perrito666> uff, I just missed dimitern
[16:15] <fwereade> I have https://codereview.appspot.com/12841044 and https://codereview.appspot.com/94540043/ up and would appreciate reviews
[16:15] <fwereade> yes, that is a 9-month gap between the prereq and the followup :/
[16:16] <mgz> fwereade: looking
[16:20] <perrito666> fwereade: we love you anyway
[16:25] <mgz> huh delete(someMap, keyNotInMap) doesn't have any error-y-ness
[16:26]  * perrito666 gets scared to death when her wife is followed by a twitter botnet and her tablet, next to him, starts making sounds as if being possessed
[16:26] <mgz> her? is there something you're not telling us?
[16:27] <perrito666> mgz: her tablet?
[16:27] <perrito666> next to me?
[16:28] <perrito666> its interesting what 150 notifications make to android
[16:28] <mgz> "/me gets... when her wife is"... the her has the wife, clearly
[16:28] <perrito666> heh
[16:41] <voidspace> natefinch: this is the mp for just removing the "dangerous check" (plus a "now obsolete and failing" test)
[16:41] <voidspace> https://code.launchpad.net/~mfoord/juju-core/ha-rsyslog-shortcut-removal/+merge/220105
[16:58] <natefinch> voidspace: thanks
[16:58] <voidspace> right, off to krav maga
[16:58] <voidspace> back shortly
[16:59] <natefinch> voidspace: kick some butt
[16:59] <voidspace> natefinch: I'll talk to wwitzel3 about that branch
[16:59] <natefinch> voidspace: cool
[16:59] <voidspace> natefinch: he might as well merge it into his before landing
[16:59] <voidspace> heh
[16:59] <voidspace> we don't kick butts much
[16:59] <voidspace> not an effective place to kick
[16:59] <voidspace> groin or the back of the knee
[16:59] <voidspace> or the chest if someone is coming towards you
[17:00] <voidspace> c'ya later all
[17:00] <natefinch> voidspace: and this is why I'm glad you're on my team and not someone else's :)
[17:00]  * perrito666 is glad you are all 14k of his but, groin and back of knee
[17:00] <voidspace> hehe, nice
[17:47] <perrito666> fwereade:  doc/architectural-overview.txt line 118 , care to tell me the end of that tale? :)
[18:45] <jcw4> dumb bzr question
[18:45] <jcw4> if I'm in a cobzr branch and merge in juju-core
[18:45] <jcw4> and commit
[18:45] <jcw4> and then do go get -u ./...
[18:46] <jcw4> should I expect to lose my locally committed changes irretrievably?
[18:46] <natefinch> don't use go get when developing on a branch
[18:46] <jcw4> yeah... :(
[18:46] <natefinch> or rather: don't use go get when developing
[18:46] <jcw4> I usually switch to master and do that to get updated dependencies
[18:46] <natefinch> you shouldn't ever be able to lose your changes forever
[18:47] <natefinch> it's version control, that's what it's for
[18:47] <jcw4> natefinch: that's what I would expect
[18:47] <jcw4> natefinch: but I can't find the revisions and don't know enough about bzr innards to know where to look
[18:48] <natefinch> so, after doing a go get -please-screw-up-my-workspace .... hopefully a simple bzr revert would put you back in the right spot, but I'm not 100% sure
[18:48] <jcw4> haha
[18:48] <jcw4> sadly bzr status looked happy and I switched to master and back and that's when I noticed my missing revisions
[18:49] <natefinch> did you push the changes or just commit locally?
[18:49] <jcw4> just local
[18:49] <jcw4> if I'd pushed them I'd just blow my local branch away
[18:49] <jcw4> :(
[18:49] <natefinch> right
[18:50] <jcw4> If I'm in a branch and merge in juju-core... and juju-core has new dependencies... how should I retrieve them if not go get -u ./...
[18:50] <jcw4> ?
[18:50] <jcw4> manually for each import error?
[18:51] <perrito666> jcw4: godeps
[18:51] <natefinch> so, the proper way to update dependencies in juju is to go to the root directory of juju-core and do godeps -u dependencies.tsv, which will sync all external branches.  Occasionally that'll return an error like "abc1234 is not a valid revision on branch foo" which just means that you need to go do a bzr pull on that repo, because dependencies.tsv references a revision that exists on launchpad but not on your local machine
[18:51] <jcw4> godeps is what gave me the error
[18:51] <jcw4> because I didn't have the new errors package downloaded
[18:51] <natefinch> righ
[18:51] <natefinch> right
[18:52] <jcw4> so; manual get of dependencies in that case...
[18:52] <jcw4> sigh.  so much to learn
[18:52] <natefinch> yeah, it's a failing of godeps
[18:52] <jcw4> :)
[18:52] <jcw4> tx natefinch perrito666
[18:52] <perrito666> natefinch: jcw4 yep, godeps falls short in a few very common cases :(
[18:53] <natefinch> there's two failings - one is repos it's never heard of before, like the errors packages.... that doesn't happen very often since we don't add dependencies very often.  The one about revisions not existing locally happens all the time, unfortunately.  We should really spend some time fixing it up so it just does the right thing all the time.
[18:53] <natefinch> neither of those two problems is really that hard to fix, since the solution is blatantly obvious each time
[18:53] <jcw4> If I didn't misunderstand it looks like internal Google teams use godeps too?
[18:54] <natefinch> they may use godep .... which has a very similar name, but does very different things
[18:54] <jcw4> natefinch: oh.  Interesting.  Maybe that's what I saw.
[18:54] <natefinch> well, they don't use godep, they use something LIKE godep, which they aren't sharing ;)
[18:54] <jcw4> teh suk
[18:54] <jcw4> ;)
[18:55] <natefinch> Yeah, Google doesn't open source enough of their stuff, unfortunately.
[18:57] <jcw4> I imagine that that tool would be getting ticklishly close to their competitive advantage in managing vast complex code-base
[18:58] <natefinch> probably. They do just have everything in one hugely massive repo.... so all third party code is also in the repo (which means it needs to have its import statements fixed up to point at google's repo and not github or whatever)
[18:58] <jcw4> hmmm; the 'vendor' folder approach
[19:00] <natefinch> exactly.  Honestly, that's the only way to be 100% sure your code will always build.  We've avoided that with juju because all our dependencies are really controlled by us, or people who work at the company.  So if Gustavo's mgo package suddenly breaks, we can go hound him about it ;)
[19:00] <jcw4> dependencies in juju haven't become tedious enough for us to adopt that approach I suppose.  right
[19:00] <jcw4> fun
[19:01] <niemeyer> natefinch: No need to change imports for that.. a controlled GOPATH environment would work fine
[19:02] <natefinch> niemeyer: yeah, that requires a little more futzing with the local environment, though
[19:02] <jcw4> niemeyer: so... using a vendor folder + GOPATH that points to it?
[19:02] <niemeyer> natefinch: Well, just using a GOPATH with content that is under your control rather than arbitrarily taken from the net
[19:03] <niemeyer> s/natefinch/jcw4
[19:03] <jcw4> niemeyer: I see.  Makes sense
[19:03] <niemeyer> That's what godeps does, for example
[19:03] <niemeyer> Erm godep
[19:05] <natefinch> ahh, ok, I was mistaken about how godep works, I thought it was rewriting import paths.  I know camlistore has a tool they use to do that.  It's hard keeping all these tools straight :(
[19:05] <bodie_> how exactly does it expect the dependency entry to be formatted?
[19:05] <bodie_> e.g., launchpad.net/tomb      bzr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  17
[19:05] <bodie_> I'm not sure what the third and fourth entries are
[19:05] <bodie_> or where to look for that info, anyway
[19:07] <jcw4> I'd hazard a guess at #3 (timestamp + hash?), but #4 defies even guessing :)
[19:08] <bodie_> I think it's specified in CONTRIBUTING
[19:08] <bodie_> yep
[19:09] <bodie_> line 234
[19:09] <bodie_> tab-separated
[19:10] <jcw4> according to godeps source it looks like #3 and #4 are vcs specific
[19:10] <jcw4> revid, revno
[19:10] <bodie_> godeps -t $(go list launchpad.net/juju-core/...) > dependencies.tsv
[19:10] <bodie_> :)
[19:11] <jcw4> and a #5 an optional 'clean' flag
[19:11] <jcw4> oops optional revno
[19:25] <bodie_> hmmm
[19:25] <bodie_> this doesn't want to work properly
[19:26] <mattyw> natefinch, ping?
[19:27] <natefinch> here is but in a meeting
[19:27] <natefinch> -ish
[19:31] <mattyw> natefinch, I've got my leankit account setup, was trying to find the ensureavailability more logging card on the board
[19:32] <mattyw> natefinch, ah, I see it
[20:14] <fwereade> perrito666, there's an orphaned line 20 or so further down
[20:14] <fwereade> perrito666, fixed in followup (actually just removed)
[20:15] <perrito666> tx
[21:23] <menn0> morning ppl
[21:25] <perrito666> menn0: morning :p
[21:35] <waigani> morning all
[21:40] <waigani> I'm getting this panic from gobot that I can't reproduce locally: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7490387
[21:40] <waigani> Panic: cannot share a state between two dummy environs; old "only"; new "only" (PC=0x414311)
[21:46] <perrito666> waigani: poisoned env?
[21:47] <waigani> perrito666: what does that mean?
[21:48] <perrito666> The env where that is being run is dirty?
[21:50] <perrito666> waigani: you might want to go in there and clean the bot's env by hand
[21:51] <waigani> perrito666: right, I've never done that.
[21:51] <perrito666> waigani: neither did I
[21:52] <waigani> i assume Its sshing in and rming go/pkg
[21:52] <perrito666> waigani: yup
[21:52] <waigani> but I might wait and check with wallyworld_ (I also don't know where to ssh into)
[21:52] <wallyworld_> wot
[21:52] <waigani> hey :)
[21:52] <perrito666> wallyworld_: aha, lurking
[21:53] <wallyworld_> coding :-)
[21:53] <waigani> it's early for you right wallyworld_ ?
[21:53] <wallyworld_> yeah
[21:53] <wallyworld_> not toooo early
[21:53] <waigani> well in that case ...
[21:53] <perrito666> waigani: waigani has tarmac shouting him stuff that he can reproduce
[21:53] <waigani> looks like I need to kick the bot, but I have not done it before
[21:53] <perrito666> I meant wallyworld_
[21:54] <waigani> *can't reproduce
[21:54] <wallyworld_> what do you mean "ick the bot"
[21:54] <wallyworld_> kick
[21:54] <waigani> wallyworld_: Panic: cannot share a state between two dummy environs; old "only"; new "only" (PC=0x414311)
[21:54] <wallyworld_> right, but what does "kick" mean
[21:54] <waigani> do I need to ssh in a rm go/pkg?
[21:54] <wallyworld_> not sure
[21:54] <waigani> kick means ^
[21:55] <wallyworld_> i'm landing a branch at the moment
[21:55] <wallyworld_> we can see how that foes
[21:55] <wallyworld_> goes
[21:55] <waigani> cool, sounds like a plan
[21:55] <wallyworld_> so far so good, stil running
[21:56] <wallyworld_> after 10 minutes
[21:56] <wallyworld_> my guess is it's a bug in your code :-)
[21:57] <waigani> wallyworld_: okay I'll look harder
[21:58] <wallyworld_> my branch will befinished soon so we can see for sure then
[22:00] <perrito666> heh dont rub your code correctness on the man
[22:03] <wallyworld_> waigani: my branch just landed so bot is ok
[22:04] <waigani> hmph
[22:05] <waigani> wallyworld_ perrito666: I just reproduced it on my machine! So yep my fault. Sorry for the red herring. Weird that I couldn't reproduce it the first time.
[22:05] <wallyworld_> no problem
[22:09] <wallyworld_> arosales: g'day, you around?
[22:11] <arosales> wallyworld_: hello
[22:12] <wallyworld_> hi, i was hoping you could help. i have some pull requests on github for the joyent libraries we need landed for core. the've been there a week and no one has looked at them. i tried emailing danile also. is there any contact in joyent we can prod?
[22:13] <arosales> wallyworld_: for sure can you point me to the pull requests I can send a mail and cc you.
[22:14]  * arosales looking around https://github.com/joyent . . .
[22:14] <wallyworld_> arosales: sure, i'll email you - there are 4 of them
[22:14] <arosales> wallyworld_: thanks, I'll look for your mail.
[22:17] <wallyworld_> arosales: thanks, email sent
[22:46] <arosales> wallyworld_: thanks, we should hopefully have some folks taking a looks soon. Thanks for finding those fixes and perf. improvments.
[22:46] <wallyworld_> no problem
[22:47] <wallyworld_> thanks for helping
[22:48] <arosales> wallyworld_: anytime.
[23:00]  * wallyworld_ bbiab
[23:58]  * arosales grabs some dinner


[10:53] <jsgotangco> ah
[03:20] <Whoopie> mjg59: Hi, will you integrate usplash support in feisty's uswsusp package again? Would be great.
[03:33] <hub> how can I debug a supsend to disk problem
[03:33] <hub> basically it does not resume back from disk
[03:34] <hub> and then I have to recreate swap by hand
[03:41] <hub> nevermind, filed a bug
[05:46] <uu> hi


[11:48] <Mez> Is this the right place to ask about dbus stuf?
[11:48] <jcristau> probably not
[11:49] <Mez> Any idea where? (polkitd started by dbus == broken, but if I start it manually it works fine)
[12:07] <mlankhorst> no idea, this just isn't the right place :-)
[20:44] <jcristau> Prf_Jakob: fwiw i had to apply http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-vmware.git;a=patch;h=5544fe0de73e5144f43cec1896445ef522dda3a7
[21:22] <Prf_Jakob> jcristau: thanks
[21:28] <Prf_Jakob> jcristau: can you send that to the ml?
[21:29] <jcristau> xorg-devel?
[21:40] <jcristau> will do tomorrow.


[17:14] <timoteus> Hi. I’m unable to login. After entering my password, I am returned to the login screen. The last thing I did in mt last session was ‘startx’ at command line. Could this be the problem?
[23:56] <studio-user018> hi


[00:16] <homebrewcider> Hey there, every time I start up I get the "sessions and startup" window open. Any way to changet that?
[00:24] <lukinfore> homebrewcider, say, close it and then logout but check "save session" in logout window
[00:26] <homebrewcider> mmm, brilliant, I had tried what I thought was everything.... cheers
[00:26] <knome> homebrewcider, next time you log out, remember to uncheck the "save session" box
[00:26] <homebrewcider> yep, cheers
[00:32] <homebrewcider> on a completely different note, my printer (Canon Mp610) seems to be going to sleep after every job, I have to unplug it from usb and replug it, that seems to "wake it up"
[01:12] <planetary> I just upgraded alsa. i got a few new applications with it, most dont work. I get sound ok on analog. I have an Auzentech xplosion cinima with C-Media CMI8770 PCI chipset. I want to get optical or coax out to work. how do i configure it?
[01:14] <planetary> omg i did it
[01:14] <planetary> nm
[01:14] <planetary> hope surround sound works now
[01:15] <planetary> ok how do i make it 5.0
[01:25] <planetary> YES thanks for listeing
[01:30] <KittyKatt> Okay, for some reason all of my USB devices' volumes are locked. I have NO idea why.
[01:30] <KittyKatt> Anyone help?
[02:53] <planetary> hey, i have xubuntu restriced extras and vlc install and i cant play a dvd
[02:54] <planetary> i did the lib  that used to work install but still
[02:56] <planetary> ok i just skipped to chapter 1 and its playing. i dont know why
[03:10] <pteague_work> wmsensors or xfce4-sensors-plugin ?
[04:09] <owen1> my machine is mute on every boot. someone advice to run: 'sudo alsactl store' but i get E-core/util.c: home directory /home/yuka not ours.  any clues?
[04:13] <KittyKatt> Same problem here.
[04:13] <KittyKatt> Still trying to figure it out.
[04:14] <owen1> i'll ping u if i solve it
[04:14] <owen1> KittyKatt: /sbin/alsactl store
[04:14] <owen1> try it
[04:15] <owen1> doesn't work for me
[04:15] <KittyKatt> "sudo alsactl store" ?
[04:15] <owen1> that's what someone said on a forum
[04:16] <KittyKatt> got your same error
[04:16] <owen1> i'll post in in ubuntuforum and send u the link so u'll subscribe to the thread
[04:16] <KittyKatt> I'll search around some more
[04:16] <KittyKatt> brb
[04:19] <owen1> KittyKatt: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7612601#post7612601
[04:19] <owen1> maybe in a few days you can add a post say that u also have this issue. we can add bug report to xubuntu.
[04:24] <KittyKatt> owen1: may have a workaround....
[04:24] <KittyKatt> Give me a minute to test it...
[04:26] <KittyKatt> owen1: Do you know the chmod MODE for read/write permissions?
[04:27] <owen1> KittyKatt: yes
[04:27] <KittyKatt> +???
[04:28] <owen1> oh, u want me to tell u?
[04:28] <KittyKatt> Could you tell me?
[04:28] <KittyKatt> Yes please lol
[04:28] <KittyKatt> :D
[04:28] <owen1> sorry (-:
[04:28] <owen1> 1 sec
[04:28] <KittyKatt> That's okay. :P
[04:29] <owen1> chmod 777 <folder_name>     this is an example.
[04:29] <owen1> what excatly do u need?
[04:30] <KittyKatt> What if it isn't a folder?
[04:30] <owen1> you can do 700 to give yourself read/write and view. but not for others
[04:30] <KittyKatt> Just a file.
[04:30] <owen1> sure
[04:30] <KittyKatt> Kay.
[04:30] <KittyKatt> One moment...
[04:30] <owen1> 777 will be the most permissive. the file's owner, the file's group and other groups.
[04:31] <owen1> 700 is only for you. 770 is you and the file's group.
[04:31] <KittyKatt> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/68564
[04:32] <KittyKatt> ctrl+f "CyrusCT"
[04:32] <KittyKatt> That's the author of the post that gave me the right directions.;
[04:33] <owen1> i'll try. thank you
[04:33] <KittyKatt> owen1: I did all of that.
[04:33] <KittyKatt> So I'm gonna restart and see what happens.
[04:33] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] restarting
[04:38] <KittyKatt> owen1: Worked. :D
[04:38] <KittyKatt> Going to post a link to that post in there.
[04:40] <owen1> KittyKatt: great, let me know when u'r done, i'll copy from your post.
[04:46] <KittyKatt> owen1: Posted.
[04:46] <KittyKatt> Check it out. :P
[04:46] <owen1> ok
[04:47] <owen1> so the issue we got was permission
[04:48] <KittyKatt> Yes.
[04:48] <KittyKatt> Precisely, my dear Watson.
[11:08] <firestarter1> hi. is there a graphical utility for managing xubuntu's services ?
[11:09] <jbk`> yes.
[11:09] <firestarter1> jbk`: thanks for the stupid answer
[11:09] <firestarter1> now, you are laughing, I suppose
[11:10] <knome> firestarter1, applications -> settings -> sessio and startup
[11:11] <firestarter1> knome: already tried that. but services are started after the desktop is displayed
[11:11] <firestarter1> my service-app is not a GUI app.
[11:12] <knome> firestarter1, uh, applications -> system -> services :)
[11:12] <firestarter1> thanks knome. a more difficult question: is there a way to launch this menu from command line ?
[11:13] <knome> services-admin
[11:13] <firestarter1> knome: it doesn't allow me to add a service
[11:13] <knome> firestarter1, sudo services-admin
[11:13] <firestarter1> I can only display services
[11:14] <firestarter1> knome: same result
[11:15] <knome> firestarter1, run without sudo and click unlock
[11:15] <firestarter1> knome: tried as well
[11:16] <firestarter1> but I can't add services
[11:16] <knome> i think that might be intentional
[11:17] <firestarter1> maybe. but in this way what can I do?
[11:18] <knome> i don't really know
[11:18] <firestarter1> np. thanks anyway
[11:18] <knome> maybe ask #ubuntu
[11:20] <firestarter1> but I need a tool for xubuntu
[11:20] <knome> firestarter1, there is no xubuntu-specific tool for that, that's for sure.
[13:46] <hhh3> is there a simple way to have a login sound in xubuntu hardy?
[13:46] <hhh3> i use the auotmatic login
[14:02] <firestarter1> hi. how can I ADD a service to my system ?
[14:08] <TheSheep> firestarter1: install it with synaptic
[14:09] <firestarter1> TheSheep: install what ?
[14:15] <igsen> !apt-url
[14:15] <TheSheep> firestarter1: the service you need
[14:15] <igsen> !apturl
[14:16] <TheSheep> !botabuse
[14:17] <firestarter1> TheSheep: are you joking ?
[14:22] <TheSheep> not, not particularly, I can't say I'm joking
[14:27] <firestarter1> hi. how can I ADD a service to my system ?
[14:28] <TheSheep> firestarter1: are you a bot?
[14:30] <firestarter1> TheSheep: please shut up
[14:37] <homebrewcider> hey there, my printer was working, now of course it ain't. It isn't showing up on a lsusb command like it used to, even after unplugging and replugging
[14:50] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: check dmesg
[14:50] <TheSheep> dmesg | tail
[14:51] <homebrewcider> <usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04A9 pid 0x1725>
[14:52] <homebrewcider> hang on
[14:52] <homebrewcider> bit more involved than that
[14:52] <homebrewcider> want me to pastebin?
[14:52] <TheSheep> yeah, but most likely it's faulty cable anyways
[14:53] <homebrewcider> works no probs in windows
[14:53] <homebrewcider> and have tried another cable
[14:53] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/1494690
[14:53] <TheSheep> pastebin it, maybe we can make out something from it
[14:53] <TheSheep> thanks
[14:54] <TheSheep> and you say lsusb still doesn't see it?
[14:54] <homebrewcider> correct
[14:55] <TheSheep> when you unplug and replug the cable, are there any new messages appearing in dmesg?
[14:55] <firestarter1> hi. how can I ADD a custom service (daemon) to my system ?
[14:57] <remoteCTRL> hi guys!
[14:57] <remoteCTRL> can anyone pls tell me what the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is?
[14:57] <petria_> XFCE vs GNome desktop
[14:57] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/1494694
[14:58] <remoteCTRL> _Pete_: thats it?
[14:58] <_Pete_> yep
[14:58] <remoteCTRL> thanks then
[14:59] <homebrewcider> hmmm, now it shows up in lsusb
[14:59] <homebrewcider> what the
[15:00] <homebrewcider> after the dmesg thing and 30 unplugs
[15:00] <homebrewcider> disappeared again
[15:00] <homebrewcider> appeared again
[15:00] <homebrewcider> it's a frakin ghost
[15:00] <_Pete_> *x-files theme*
[15:01] <homebrewcider> tell me about it, *rolls eyes*
[15:04] <homebrewcider> I have printer properties open in front of me, and the printer wen from "idle" to "unplugged or turned off" without me doing anything
[15:04] <homebrewcider> is now :idle"again
[15:10] <homebrewcider> thanks for your help, this is freaking me out
[15:10] <homebrewcider> gotta get to sleep
[17:17] <backblue> hi, guys there is any channel for powerpc?
[18:35] <slow-motion> hi
[18:36] <Roybot> hello
[18:39] <walle> hello
[18:48] <Genelyk> Hi
[19:15] <dave_30> hello!
[19:35] <tmurase> Whenever I log in, dozens of xfdesktop processes start up.  That's not normal, I'm guessing
[19:40] <jbk`> it actually is
[19:42] <pteague> if anybody else is having problems with the xfce weather plugin, check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/396880
[19:42] <sacred> Yoho. I would have a small issue with Xubuntu 9.04 and with HP Mininote 2133
[19:43] <sacred> No matter which resolution I add o the machine it always leaves out little of the desktop from the bottom and from the right side of the screen.
[19:44] <sacred> Openchrome drivers are installed through the repository and no changes have been made after the installation.
[19:45] <sacred> Anyone seen this behavior before?
[19:49] <tmurase> jbk`: dozens of xfdesktop processes is normal?  I managed to hit the kernel's oom killer on my last login
[19:53] <SiDi> tmurase: its not, kill them all !
[20:03] <tmurase> SiDi: I did.  Repeatedly.
[20:03] <tmurase> Clearly, there's something screwy in the saved session, but where do I look?
[20:03] <SiDi> rm -rf .cache/sessions/
[20:04] <SiDi> it'll get rid of it
[20:04] <pteague> sacred_: i'm guessing that's a monitor?  can you adjust the display width/height on the monitor itself?
[20:06] <sacred_> pteague, HP2133 is a Mininotebook.
[20:06] <tmurase> SiDi: thanks
[20:06] <sacred_> So unfortunately I cannot adjust the sceensize from the display itself.