[08:09] <linuxkid2> huh? emacs is a text editor, and python is a script language. what's this?
[08:09] <fdoving> simen: try alt+f2 'dcop kicker kicker restart'
[08:09] <rance> ok, I didnt see that
[08:09] <LjL> zorglu_: visual basic rules the world
[08:09] <simen> already done that, seems as the systray aplet isnt installed
[08:09] <Mantits> i am go to sleep
[08:09] <Mantits> have a nice sleep
[08:10] <maryen> noooo
[08:10] <simen> what package should it be in?
[08:10] <maryen> i like kate
[08:10] <LjL> linuxkid2: you can most definitely write a text editor in a script language. though you'd probably need a text editor in the first place
[08:10] <Jucato> simen: did you try Add Applet to Panel?
[08:10] <maryen> oooo edgy has updates
[08:10] <maryen> come to papa
[08:10] <simen> LjL: echo "code" > myneweditor.py ;)
[08:10] <linuxkid2> LjL: I was just confused. he looked like he was comparing the two.
[08:10] <LjL> simen: yeah, cat might be handier though
[08:10] <maryen> awww only 2 packages
[08:11] <fdoving> simen: it's in the kicker package, and you really should have it installed.
[08:11] <Jucato> maryen: reinstall Edgy Knot 1 and then update so you'll have more packages :P
[08:11] <LjL> linuxkid2: and he was... just spitting nonsense on purpose :)
[08:11] <rance> fdoving: typically when you have a localhost cups server connected to a printer on a remote cups server there are problems when you have to maintain that printer, I find its easier to just set the cups client to look at the other box
[08:11] <maryen> hmmm... that sounds like a great idea!
[08:12] <maryen> or better yet, install hoary and upgrade to dapper!
[08:12] <fdoving> rance: isn't that what the local cups server will do? - look at the remote server?
[08:12] <Jucato> maryen: well, hoary > breezy > dapper > edgy
[08:12] <Jucato> you can't take shortcuts
[08:12] <fdoving> rance: i -think- that's what it does, not sure though.. don't have a printere here.
[08:12] <Jucato> or at least not from breezy to edgy
[08:12] <maryen> ok update to breezy then dapper
[08:13] <maryen> thats like 2x the package updating fun
[08:13] <rance> fdoving: I'll try it and see, in the past that hasnt worked the way that I would like
[08:13] <fdoving> rance: ok, i understand what you want.
[08:13] <simen> the systray applet was in kicker-applets package for some obscure reason
[08:13] <simen> got it installed, thanks for the help
[08:13] <maryen> bye
[08:16] <maryen> zzzzz
[08:16] <Jucato> :)
[08:17] <maryen> i think ill take a nap
[08:17] <maryen> daytime is not my friend
[08:17] <Jucato> heh.. I need to sleep now too
[08:18] <fdoving> bye.
[08:18] <maryen> bye
[08:18] <fdoving> have a nice nap :)
[08:18] <Jucato> bye everyone! fdoving thanks for the tip/guide :)
[08:18] <fdoving> Jucato: did it work?
[08:20] <troy> hey, is anyone on edgy? Did gmail stop working in konq for you?
[08:21] <fdoving> works for me.
[08:21] <narasim_7> what package do i need to extract a rar archive?
[08:21] <fdoving> narasim_7: unrar-nonfree or p7zip
[08:22] <troy> fdoving: it used to work for me (using Firefox 1.5 user agent string), but now it just times out... firefox still works as expected, so it's not a network issue...
[08:22] <narasim_7> fdoving: thanks
[08:22] <fdoving> troy: i'll check again.. hold on.
[08:23] <fdoving> troy: yes, it works.
[08:23] <troy> fdoving: which UA string are you sending?
[08:23] <troy> fdoving: (and are you using the basic html display, as opposed to the javascript fancified version?)
[08:24] <fdoving> troy: for gmail.com i send firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:24] <fdoving> troy: and yes, i use the cool version.
[08:25] <troy> fdoving: okay, I'll try nuking konq's settings and see if that helps
[08:33] <troy> no change...
[08:34] <markeib> is there no package to install opera?
[08:35] <MotorCityMadMan> markeib: there is
[08:35] <markeib> oh
[08:35] <markeib> i'm stupid then ^^
[08:35] <ed_> can anyone help me learn hoe to connect with a modem?
[08:36] <ironfroggy> how can i get xvideo extension configured?
[08:36] <markeib> what's the name of it, then MotorCityMadMan?
[08:37] <troy> it's in multiverse, methinks
[08:37] <BonBonTheJon> markeib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[08:37] <MotorCityMadMan>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:38] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: install the proper video driver
[08:38] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: 'xvinfo' to get the info about it
[08:38] <MotorCityMadMan> markeib: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[08:38] <ironfroggy> zorglu_: not sure what i do with that info. ive got the right driver and all.
[08:39] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: "xvinfo | grep ports" gives you what results
[08:39] <BonBonTheJon> ed_: try looking at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_identify_Modem_chipset
[08:39] <MotorCityMadMan> markeib: or deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[08:40] <ironfroggy> zorglu_: im sorry but i dont know what that is for. it says 'number of ports: 1
[08:40] <ironfroggy> zorglu_: and port base: 73. am i to use that somehow?
[08:40] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: this mean you already got xv extention
[08:40] <ironfroggy> then why do videos play blue?
[08:41] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: that i dunno
[08:41] <ironfroggy> :-/
[08:41] <troy> well, clearing konq's cache fixed it, so that's weird...;
[08:41] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: at least, now you knows it is due to the lack of xv
[08:42] <zorglu_> try other player and other video
[08:42] <dennister> howdy pps
[08:43] <dennister> is everyone asleep?
[08:43] <BonBonTheJon> nope
[08:43] <dennister> hi bonbon :-)
[08:43] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[08:43] <dennister> how r ya this fine chilly day?
[08:43] <BonBonTheJon> a little cold
[08:44] <dennister> yeah...my heat's not on yet, so i opened the oven door
[08:44] <dennister> where are u?
[08:44] <tony_> hello.. can i use wireless  USB Network adapter with linux without any problmes
[08:44] <BonBonTheJon> cincinnati
[08:44] <dennister> <-----Toronto...hi tony
[08:44] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: what chipset?
[08:45] <tony_> USB is trendnet
[08:45] <tony_> i want to buy one .. so i thout i ask befoe
[08:45] <tony_> MONTREAL <<<<<<<
[08:45] <dennister> howdy neightbour!
[08:45] <tony_> good.. how you doing
[08:46] <dennister> cold
[08:46] <tony_> sunny and cold over here too
[08:46] <tony_> :)
[08:46] <Samuli^> how cold is cold?
[08:46] <dennister> tony: there's a list of compatible hardware for ur distro
[08:46] <tony_> not as cold but you got to have a jacket on
[08:46] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: looks like you probably can use it
[08:46] <Samuli^> around 0 C here.
[08:47] <BonBonTheJon> Samuli^: where are you at?
[08:47] <tony_> i also get this error message when i boot , something about my boot loader is different from backup
[08:47] <Samuli^> that's when water freezes if you don't know your celciuses :)
[08:47] <Samuli^> Finland bonbon. ;)
[08:47] <BonBonTheJon> Samuli^: oh, no wonder its cold
[08:47] <dennister> look: i'm having a problem opening a folder...i can see it, but root konsole keeps telling me it doesn't exist when i try to open it or the files inside
[08:48] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: are you using konqueror to open it?
[08:48] <dennister> it's named funny, too, a number, space, "Retail"...more numbers with periods
[08:48] <tony_> there is a different between your bootsectore and its backup .. how should i fix this ??
[08:48] <Samuli^> dennister, could it be that the folder doesn't have +x permission?
[08:49] <dennister> in root konsole it's colored blue
[08:49] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: put a \ in front of the space
[08:49] <Samuli^> dennister, i think folder
[08:49] <Samuli^> 's need that.
[08:51] <dennister> k, tried renaming it but konsole told me "illegal octal digit 9"
[08:51] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: if you are in consolue, you can hit tab to autocomplete the name
[08:52] <dennister> the permissions in konq are drwxr-xr-x
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: permissions are ok
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: what's the ownership of the folder
[08:53] <dennister> then why can't I open it in root terminal?
[08:53] <dennister> root, and i am in root terminal
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: type the beginnign of the name and hit tab to autocomplete
[08:53] <zorglu_> dennister: what is the name of this folder
[08:54] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: or put \ in front of the space in the name
[08:56] <dennister> i'm in!
[08:56] <BonBonTheJon> good
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> have anybody succesfully installed firefox rc2 with working mplayer plugin?
[09:00] <dennister> finally! was able to copy those files into where i needed them
[09:00] <dennister> now let's hope all that hell was gone thru with the writer driver ;-)
[09:01] <dennister> u don't know what i went through b4 i cam in here, lol
[09:01] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: its amazing what you can find out if you ask around
[09:01] <dennister> <-------still working on her ivtv drivers
[09:02] <dennister> yeah...but once when i came in here someone was helping me...and then told me he couldn't hold my hand...i should read
[09:02] <dennister> <---------does read b4 asking
[09:03] <dennister> the problem with the umpteen howtos about ivtv drivers is that they're almost all out of date, or u can't find the files in the ftp or http sites they direct you to
[09:06] <nightstar> ciao a tutti !
[09:06] <tony_> Guys, i get this message duing boot
[09:06] <tony_> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[09:06] <tony_> There are differences between boot sector and its backup.
[09:06] <tony_> Differences: (offset:original/backup)
[09:06] <menace> i've heard about a lot of people having trouble with the flashplugin-nonfree package. and i think thats what's wrong with some of my applications. could someone please tell me how to fix this?
[09:06] <tony_> im trying to use dosfsck , using interactive, should i copy backup to original ??? would this fix the problme
[09:08] <nightstar> hi guys
[09:08] <BonBonTheJon> hi nightstar
[09:08] <nightstar> i have problem with Kmail
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: what is it
[09:09] <dennister> does anyone else have any exp with ivtv drivers?
[09:09] <tony_> i guess no one knows
[09:09] <tony_> :(
[09:09] <zorglu_> tony_: you get that *during* linux boot ?
[09:09] <tony_> yes
[09:09] <nightstar> i can't download the mail
[09:09] <tony_> i have both window and linux
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: can you get on the internet
[09:09] <tony_> grub installed and after selecting boot linux , i get that
[09:10] <nightstar> the program say : command pass failure
[09:10] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: if you aren't on the computer
[09:10] <nightstar> i can connect in the internet
[09:10] <zorglu_> tony_: seems weird that you got that when you boot linux
[09:10] <tony_> i have no problme booting window..
[09:11] <zorglu_> tony_: ohhhh you just installed window or something ?
[09:11] <tony_> i checked ubuntu forum and solution was to run dosfcsk .. but im not pretty sure
[09:11] <tony_> no
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: what does the status bar at the bottom say as its trying to check mail
[09:11] <tony_> i installed window first
[09:11] <zorglu_> tony_: did it ever worked ?
[09:11] <tony_> then linux on different partition been working well untill recently
[09:11] <nightstar> what can i do ?
[09:12] <dennister> k...i'm off for now...cya later
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: bye
[09:12] <tony_> worked very well no problme.. i guess that happned when installed mysql aministration program in lunx and that crashed on me
[09:12] <zorglu_> tony_: wild guess, some misconfiguration in grub
[09:12] <zorglu_> tony_: nothing that mysql admin should change tho
[09:13] <tony_> but it crashed linux
[09:13] <tony_> :|
[09:13] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: what does the status bar say when the error happens
[09:13] <tony_> should i copy the backup to original ??
[09:13] <tony_> using dosfsck
[09:13] <tony_> ?
[09:13] <zorglu_> likely ... not sure tho
[09:13] <zorglu_> that what i would do
[09:13] <zorglu_> tony_: give the url of the forum where you saw that
[09:14] <tony_> hold on
[09:14] <tony_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32531
[09:15] <zorglu_> looking
[09:15] <tony_> based on forum , seems many got same problme as i do :) .
[09:15] <zorglu_> tony_: you are on live cd, now
[09:15] <zorglu_> ?
[09:15] <tony_> no, in full installation
[09:15] <zorglu_> hmm im lost
[09:16] <tony_> i can boot to linux , but during boot, i get that message ..
[09:16] <zorglu_> how did you boot
[09:16] <zorglu_> ah ok
[09:16] <tony_> thrugh grub
[09:16] <tony_> boots ok, but just boot gets out of boot splash , and shows that message , and then starts with normal boot
[09:17] <zorglu_> tony_: ok can you paste your /etc/fstab in pastebin
[09:17] <zorglu_> !pastebin
[09:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:17] <LjL> tony_: that message is usually harmless
[09:17] <zorglu_> or another
[09:17] <LjL> tony_: i got it too, and you can run dosfsck to fix it
[09:17] <tony_> im not very good with linux , so no clue as how to get that info from fstab.
[09:17] <LjL> tony_: if your system doesn't boot, however, that's another story, but i'm not sure it'd be related to that message
[09:18] <tony_> my system boots ok..
[09:18] <tony_> just the message , and it says it can not fix that automatically
[09:18] <tony_> i can only fix that using dosfcsk using interactive
[09:18] <tony_> but im not sure if i should copy the backup to original or original to back up
[09:19] <markeib> hello, when my webcam is connected as i boot my pc i have no sound because the mic of the webcam is recognised as a "soundcard" i think. is there a way to have the webcam connected while booting and still have sound?
[09:19] <LjL> tony_: yes, do that. run "sudo dosfsck -ar /dev/whatever"
[09:19] <c4__> hi guys
[09:19] <LjL> tony_: when asked, select option number 1 (i.e. overwrite the backup with the original)
[09:19] <zorglu_> tony_: have you tried to put a 1 in the last field (pass)
[09:19] <tony_> no..
[09:19] <zorglu_> a 0 i meant
[09:19] <LjL> zorglu_: that sh
[09:19] <LjL> ah nevermind
[09:19] <tony_> i tought to first ask you  guys before i do anything
[09:20] <LjL> tony_: putting a 0 there will simply bypass the filesystem check. you might want to do that -- the system will probably boot a little faster
[09:20] <zorglu_> tony_: wise decision
[09:20] <LjL> tony_: though the dosfsck thing will fix the problem
[09:20] <zorglu_> tony_: LjL: yep it is more a workaround that a fix
[09:21] <LjL> zorglu_: i've done both things, myself.
[09:21] <zorglu_>  sudo dosfsck -ar /dev/hdc1
[09:21] <zorglu_>
[09:21] <zorglu_>  Choose to make the original the backup (option 1 I think), and then choose "Y".
[09:21] <LjL> yep
[09:21] <zorglu_> LjL: oh ok
[09:21] <zorglu_> tony_: then follow ljl advices, as im just guessing here :)
[09:21] <tony_> ok , i used sudo dosfsck -ar /dev/hda1 and now i have to choose the option ,, 1, 2 or 3 (no action) which one to use?
[09:22] <LjL> 1
[09:22] <zorglu_> 1) Copy original to backup
[09:22] <tony_> ok , hold on .. will do that now
[09:22] <tony_> now asking perform changes ? y / n
[09:22] <tony_> shold i go with Y ?
[09:23] <LjL> yes
[09:23] <tony_> OK.. i will boot later to window and then linux ,,and will let you guys know :)
[09:23] <zorglu_> test it now while it is hot :)
[09:24] <c4__> anyone know how to fix a corrupted/messed up flashplugin-nonfree?
[09:24] <uncannybuzzard> hey, does anyone know how to run gnome 2.16 once garnome is finished building it?
[09:26] <c4__> i guess noone knows?
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> c4__: only idea is uninstall then reinstall
[09:26] <c4__> i tried that
[09:26] <c4__> but it still doesnt work
[09:27] <zorglu_> c4__: tried a 'dpkg --configure -a' ?
[09:27] <c4__> no i havnt...good idea
[09:27] <zorglu_> and have you installed it thru adept ?
[09:27] <c4__> synaptic
[09:27] <zorglu_> ok, dunno about synaptic but i know adept got issue with stuff which require license approval
[09:28] <dinosaur> hi
[09:28] <c4__> zorglu_: all that did was bring up a new prompt
[09:28] <c4__> the dpkg configure thing
[09:28] <zorglu_> i dunno if it is the case here, but in doubt you may try to install it by hand <- c4__
[09:28] <zorglu_> c4__: is the stuff still broken ?
[09:28] <mirjam> hi all
[09:28] <c4__> yes, frostwire wont run,, and i cant watch movies on youtube
[09:29] <mirjam> I'm new to Ubuntu and I wondered howto add mp3 support?
[09:29] <dinosaur> is installing ia32 package enough for running 32-bit apps?
[09:29] <c4__> !mp3
[09:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:29] <zorglu_> i have yet install flash on mine...
[09:29] <c4__> there you are mirjam
[09:29] <c4__> ok.
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> !ia32
[09:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ia32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:29] <tony_> ok, im back
[09:29] <tony_> :)
[09:30] <tony_> problme seems to been fixed now :)
[09:30] <tony_> but one more question
[09:30] <tony_> why do i get out of boot splash , either when i boot or during shootdown?
[09:30] <c4__> zorglu_: i had this problem on my old computer and i came here and someone walked me through fixing it. it used a lot of konsole commands...got any ideas on what they told me to do?
[09:30] <zorglu_> c4__: nope :(
[09:30] <LjL> tony_: i'm not sure what you mean there
[09:30] <c4__> k
[09:31] <tony_> when booting kubuntu, you get that splash screen showing devices loading and OK to the side.. but at one point i lose that and end up in consol look boot sequence
[09:32] <c4__> wtf. now the scroll bar on firefox looks corrupted
[09:32] <fleissigfiona> my hp printer keeps spurting out blank pages when i want to print
[09:32] <c4__> fleissigfiona: out of ink?
[09:32] <TowerKeeper> yo yo
[09:32] <fleissigfiona> no
[09:33] <c4__> have you set up the printer?
[09:33] <fleissigfiona> just continual pages going straight through
[09:33] <fleissigfiona> yes
[09:33] <c4__> idk
[09:33] <TowerKeeper> i need to know which driver kubuntu is using to operate my wlan
[09:33] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: what are you printing from? what app?
[09:33] <uncannybuzzard> anyone know how to boot to a new gnome installation after running garnome?
[09:33] <fleissigfiona> ive tried on kpdf and kview
[09:34] <fleissigfiona> using the kde print thing
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: try 'cat /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps | lp' from a konsole and see if the testpage prints.
[09:35] <markeib> why won't icon themes apply everywhere immediately?
[09:35] <fleissigfiona> lp: Error - no default destination available.
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: if that doesn't print then there's a driver problem. It could be that the driver that came with kubuntu is assumed working, but really doesn't, and you'll want to see if you can find a new ppd from linuxprinting.org.
[09:35] <fleissigfiona> ok
[09:35] <tony_> i think i switch to window.. linux seems too complicated for now :( ..
[09:35] <dinosaur> so what about x86 support?
[09:35] <zorglu_> q. why my eclipse leaks memory like crazy ?
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: okay, that means that you haven't set a printer to default, which you can do from the printer control panel by right clicking and set user default.
[09:36] <tony_> i tried eclips . and was very slow on my ssytem and i just removed it
[09:36] <zorglu_> tony_: which cpu/ram you got
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: or you could use lp -d [name of printer] , you can get a list of printers installed on your system with lpstat -t, it will also show you what jobs might be waiting.
[09:36] <fleissigfiona> oh yeah i forgot, i just uninstalled it and im just putting it back one
[09:36] <mirjam> ok, thank you for pointing to the mp3 support! :)
[09:36] <tony_> AMD Athelon.. 64 , with 1 gig ddr 2
[09:36] <zorglu_> tony_: you have to run with with java sun tho :)  the gnu one is way too slow to run it
[09:37] <zorglu_> tony_: ok so the issue was the java used
[09:37] <mirjam> I want to convert movies from divx to a different format, can anyone suggest me software?
[09:37] <zorglu_> mirjam: meconder/ffmpeg are able to do that
[09:37] <zorglu_> mencoder even
[09:37] <tony_> yehh, but im looking for good editor somethinglike  dreamweaver for linux.. thatas why i still use window
[09:37] <mirjam> zorglu_: are those easy programs?
[09:37] <LeeJunFan> ffmpeg is
[09:38] <mirjam> is that a nice gui?
[09:38] <c4__> does anyone know of a program that can burn .iso files to a CD?
[09:38] <zorglu_> tony_: ok, ubuntu want you to be happy :)
[09:38] <mirjam> I want point-and-click :)
[09:38] <zorglu_> c4__: k3b
[09:38] <c4__> thanks zorglu
[09:38] <zorglu_> !info k3b
[09:38] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: no, but there probably is one if you search in adept for ffmpeg
[09:38] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[09:38] <mirjam> LeeJunFan: adept?
[09:38] <tony_> so far, installed ubuntu like 5 times for past three weeks that i got it . hehhe
[09:38] <c4__> awsome. this is just like nero
[09:39] <tony_> one too many consol works . :( ..
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: man ffmpeg  --- it's simple, why have a GUI for something you don't need one for?
[09:39] <mirjam> LeeJunFan: I hated DOS interfaces, I'm not going to start now
[09:39] <tony_> how you guys deal with copy protected Movies ??? is there a ripper for linux ????
[09:39] <tony_> just a question
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> !css
[09:40] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:40] <c4__> !ktorrent
[09:40] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[09:40] <c4__> grrr i need a tutorial for ktorrent...i've never used torrents before
[09:40] <LjL> tony_, for the splash problem, it might sometimes happen that a command takes too long to execute, and the splash screen times out... it's not really a problem, it's just aesthetics
[09:40] <LjL> tony_: do try putting that "0" in the fstab -- dosfsck taking too long *could* possibly be the culprit
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: it's just a couple options. You're missing out by not knowing the command line, that's where the true power of any OS lies.
[09:40] <tony_> c4__ is pretty easy . just start the program , do a search for what you want and download
[09:41] <zorglu_> c4__: what are your question, i implemented bt, so i got good knowledge of it :)
[09:41] <josh_> whats up guys
[09:41] <josh_> anyone in here use proftp?
[09:41] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: GUI's generally lack powerful options that command line allows otherwize there'd be 2000 buttons/switched on every app.
[09:41] <tony_> where can i find FSTAB ??? and how can i open it ?
[09:41] <josh_> etc/fstab
[09:42] <josh_> gedit / vim /nano
[09:42] <c4__> i just dont get the seeding and stuff.....zorglu: bt = backtrack?
[09:42] <tony_> ok . will do that now
[09:42] <mirjam> LeeJunFan: really, I don't have the patience for command line
[09:42] <zorglu_> c4__: nope, bt = bittorrent, sorry :)
[09:42] <LjL> tony_: "sudo nano /etc/fstab" will open it for editing
[09:42] <zorglu_> tony_: no more window, then ? :)
[09:42] <josh_> mirjam: commandline is quicker then the gui...
[09:42] <c4__> ooooh ok. thats cool
[09:42] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: I think theres a gtranscode that is a gui to transcode, but personally I find that more confusing than simply ffmpeg -i infile [outfile] .
[09:42] <c4__> am i the only one that feels like backtrack isnt stable?
[09:43] <c4__> lol
[09:43] <zorglu_> c4__: seeding is when you already got the totality of the file but you still offer it to other, thus they can download it faster
[09:43] <tony_> ok, but , what part of fstab should i change to 0 ?? all entries or there are specific entries
[09:43] <zorglu_> tony_: hue ? you already did that no ?
[09:44] <fleissigfiona> thanks LeeJunFan it works now :D
[09:44] <josh_> tony... first what are you trying to do in fstab?
[09:44] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: cool, yer welcome.
[09:44] <tony_> no not yet.. i did open it ,. but i have few entry , all are 0 and some with 0 and 1 ..
[09:44] <josh_> first is dump second is pass
[09:44] <rahmetli> i have a program in tar.gz ,if i install it, am i going to be able to remove is from adept?
[09:44] <LjL> tony_: the one that refers to your FAT drive
[09:44] <trappist> rahmetli: no
[09:45] <LjL> tony_: i.e. the Windows partition(s)
[09:45] <rahmetli> trapp
[09:45] <c4__> do i want to download or save the torrent?
[09:45] <rahmetli> thanx
[09:45] <josh_> save the torrent
[09:45] <Manyfold>  i can't enable fast writes with my nvidia graphics card also it's supported by both bios and graphic card
[09:45] <c4__> k
[09:46] <josh_> that way you can pick it up later if you lose the connection
[09:46] <Manyfold> distro is ubuntu drapper
[09:46] <josh_> dapper
[09:46] <Manyfold> and nothing in the wiki works :(
[09:46] <Manyfold> yes dapper kubuntu
[09:46] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: I hate to say it but linux isn't really the OS for someone who is not willing to use command line.
[09:46] <josh_> LeeJunFan: couldn't have said that any better
[09:47] <Manyfold> nvidia driver is installed and nothing shows up in the logs
[09:47] <c4__> then i open the torrent file that i saved?
[09:47] <josh_> yep
[09:47] <josh_> just doubleclicking should do it
[09:47] <uncannybuzzard> has anyone updated gnome using garnome?
[09:47] <Manyfold> what can i do?
[09:47] <josh_> Manyfold: what are you trying to do?
[09:47] <tony_> done.. will reboot back to linux to see how it works , comming back in few seconds.
[09:48] <c4__> An error occurred while loading the torrent. The torrent is probably corrupt or is not a torrent file.
[09:48] <c4__> i got that error
[09:48] <Manyfold> well i installed the nvidia binary drive
[09:48] <Manyfold> r
[09:48] <josh_> ok
[09:48] <uncannybuzzard> anyone? garnome? ;)
[09:48] <josh_> ... whats the problem Manyfold
[09:48] <c4__> gah i gotta restart now...brb
[09:48] <Manyfold>  enabled agp gart and direct rendering in xorg conf
[09:48] <josh_> never used it uncannybuzzard
[09:49] <josh_> u trying to install qingy?
[09:49] <uncannybuzzard> bah. well, would you know anything about the scripting i need to point xwindows at an updated gnome?
[09:49] <josh_> nope... this is a kde chat... you might want ubuntu room... thats a gnome based desktop OS
[09:50] <josh_> they might be able to help you with your gnome issue
[09:50] <Manyfold>  i can't enable fast writes with my nvidia graphics card also it's supported by both bios and graphic card
[09:50] <uncannybuzzard> weird, my computer boots kubuntu, but the default GUI is gnome
[09:50] <Manyfold> that's the problem
[09:51] <Manyfold> the other problem is glxgears gives me an average fps of 400
[09:51] <LjL> uncannybuzzard: at the login screen, click on "Options" (or the icon on the left of the login/password textboxes), and select KDE as your session
[09:51] <josh_> uncanny, if you want kde you need to do "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" that will use kde desktop
[09:51] <tony_> well, things working well now :)
[09:51] <tony_> heheh
[09:51] <josh_> yeah or what ljl said
[09:51] <tobias__> hello lovely kubuntus
[09:52] <josh_> hello
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> josh_: hehe, that's too simple. I would have said to change /et/X11/default-display-manager
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> :)
[09:52] <uncannybuzzard> nah, i like gnome
[09:52] <josh_> lol LeeJunFan im going for simple
[09:52] <josh_> :)
[09:52] <Manyfold> no one can help me?
[09:52] <josh_> Manyfold: not me... i used the normal "nvidia-glx" drivers
[09:53] <tony_> is that driver any good
[09:53] <tobias__> :)
[09:53] <tony_> i can not undrestand how to install nvidia driver from nvidia site
[09:53] <josh_> worked for my 3ddesk....
[09:53] <Snake[Away] > Hey any package builders in here?
[09:54] <josh_> download it... then you will probably have to compile
[09:54] <dinosaur> tony_: tha's simple - download it and do "sudo path-to-downloaded-file"
[09:54] <dinosaur> *that
[09:54] <josh_> which reminds me i need to get build essentials :P
[09:54] <josh_> thanks for the reminder :)
[09:55] <tony_> downloading is ok.. but installing is different story , it keeps asking for all sort of stuff that need to be installed . including kernel and stuff
[09:55] <tony_> me no clue abut things like that
[09:55] <josh_> is it binary?
[09:55] <josh_> *source?
[09:55] <dinosaur> josh_: hehe, I've installed it before downloading development packages :)))
[09:55] <tony_> no. the extension is .run
[09:55] <josh_> then do what dinosaur said
[09:55] <tony_> is setup program of sort
[09:56] <josh_> what are some intersting programs out there?
[09:56] <josh_> i just did a fresh install on my 250 gig harddrive and i need too fill it :P
[09:57] <tony_> if i do with sudo downlaod .. i will still bedownloading same program .
[09:57] <josh_> no
[09:57] <josh_> u download it
[09:57] <tony_> humm. im more confused .. hehhehe
[09:57] <josh_> then from a terminal you would do "sudo /foo/bar" where /foo/bar = path to file
[09:57] <tony_> im talking about Nvidia driver for linux
[09:57] <josh_> yeah
[09:58] <tony_> that would install the driver for me ?
[09:58] <josh_> ok what graphics card do you have?
[09:58] <dinosaur> sudo NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8774-pkg2.run
[09:58] <josh_> 6600 gt?
[09:58] <LjL> tony_: what (wasn't following), "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"? that will install the driver
[09:58] <LjL> tony_: though you'll then need to activate it
[09:58] <tony_>  Nvidia gEFORCE 7300 GS OC
[09:59] <Jonty> Has anyone had trouble with gsfonts-x11 when upgrading to the new Edgy beta?
[09:59] <josh_> wouldn't the normal "nvidia-glx" driver work?
[09:59] <tony_> On nvidia site, it says not to have glx if i m going to install thier driver
[09:59] <josh_> ahh
[09:59] <tony_> right now i have NV driver
[09:59] <josh_> gotcha
[10:00] <dinosaur> LjL: if I install pre-compiled driver with Adept, will it correctly replace already installed (manually) one?
[10:00] <Jonty> Can I force apt-get NOT to remove something automatically?
[10:00] <LjL> dinosaur: i don't know. which is why i do not recommend installing this kind of stuff manually
[10:00] <menace> how can i make the downloads on my bittorrent go faster? could i keep opening the torrent?
[10:00] <LjL> Jonty: what is it removing automatically?
[10:01] <josh_> nope menace
[10:01] <LjL> tony_, the driver that ships with ubuntu (nvidia-glx, not the plain nv) might not be the latest and greatest, but it'll probably be much simpler and safer to install than one downloaded externally
[10:01] <menace> k
[10:02] <keelbill> hi
[10:02] <dinosaur> LjL: I mean their installer and pre-compiled package may write files to different places... may be...
[10:02] <tony_> i see. ok.. can you agin point to on how to install nvidia-glx ???
[10:02] <keelbill> good afternoon everyone
[10:02] <Jonty> LjL: gsfonts-x11
[10:02] <josh_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:02] <keelbill> anyone can point me to a repository for edgy that contains mplayer?
[10:02] <tony_> thats all there is ???
[10:02] <josh_> lol yep
[10:02] <LjL> dinosaur: i don't know what their installer does. if it's not giving you any problems, perhaps it's best to just leave things as their are...
[10:02] <Jonty> I'll pastebin the error I get - it's running the post-install/remove script but without arguments
[10:03] <keelbill> tony installing on edgy?
[10:03] <tony_> dapper
[10:03] <LjL> tony_: yes and no -- after that's done, you'll need to enable the driver (i.e. tell your system that you want to use the "nvidia-glx" driver rather than the plain "nv" driver)
[10:03] <keelbill> ok
[10:03] <tony_> installing now
[10:03] <tony_> how ot enable
[10:03] <tony_> to
[10:03] <LjL> tony_: that can be done from KDE's System Settings -- or failing that, you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and change the driver line from "nv" to "nvidia"
[10:03] <keelbill> on edgy it toome 3 minutes to install with the beta nvidia drivers
[10:04] <josh_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:04] <Jonty> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25925/
[10:04] <tony_> hold on
[10:04] <keelbill> ok i have uncommented the restricted modules repositories and still it can't find mplayer
[10:04] <LjL> Jonty: had you installed that package manually (i.e. using "sudo dpkg"), and did it complain about dependencies?
[10:05] <josh_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will walk you through all the steps, different display modes, drivers, monitors... whole 9
[10:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> someone said my nick while i was afk...oh well
[10:06] <LjL> josh_: yeah, but that's probably not even needed... for just changing the driver, modifying xorg.conf manually is probably easier
[10:06] <tony_> im in system setting , display section and in nvidia section , i don't see in nvidia-glx ..
[10:06] <Jonty> LjL: No, it was during an upgrade to Edgy (which failed)
[10:06] <Jonty> so I'm in between the two
[10:06] <tony_> i see bunch of other NVIDIA driver
[10:06] <LjL> josh_: (or using the KDE settings is even easier, *if* it decides to work)
[10:06] <LjL> Jonty: agh
[10:06] <LjL> tony_: where?
[10:06] <Jonty> indeed
[10:06] <josh_> more then likely, but if his old card didn't support certain res. he might want to run through if he wants to use better ones
[10:07] <tony_> System setting>> Display and i selected hardware tab
[10:07] <Jonty> LjL: I had hoped there was some resolvable bug, but there apparently isn't: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gsfonts-x11/+bugs
[10:07] <tony_> there i should be able to select driver i guess ????
[10:08] <LjL> tony_: yes
[10:08] <LjL> tony_: that tab does sometimes act up, though
[10:08] <LjL> tony_: anyway, in "Hardware", select your card, and choose "Proprietary driver" instead of the other option
[10:08] <Jonty> LjL: No, someone seems to have had a similar problem: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gsfonts-x11/+bug/52803
[10:09] <LjL> Jonty: i don't know what i'd do... besides trying some "sudo apt-get reinstall gsfonts-x11"...
[10:09] <tony_> ok .. , i have geforce 7300 , but i have no idea which one of those cards i have to select
[10:09] <Jonty> LjL: E: Invalid operation reinstall
[10:09] <Admiral_Chicago> tony_: nivdia
[10:09] <keelbill> install
[10:09] <keelbill> if it can be reinstalled install will work
[10:10] <tony_> Under Nvidia i have few hardwear selection
[10:10] <Jonty> LjL: It still fails :(
[10:10] <tony_> such as Nvidia geforce 256 , geforce2 DDR , etc
[10:11] <tony_> my nvidia is ddr2 , geforce 7300
[10:11] <samoth13> elo
[10:11] <LjL> Jonty: ah, sorry, that's aptitude syntax
[10:11] <LjL> Jonty: with apt-get it would be "sudo apt-get --reinstall install gsfonts-x11"
[10:11] <LjL> not that i really believe it will work though, mind you
[10:11] <samoth13> do you know where i can fin french?
[10:12] <mirjam> back :)
[10:12] <josh_> LjL: why not have him do a remove, clean and then a install?
[10:12] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:12] <josh_> will --reinstall clean the old config files?
[10:12] <mirjam> How do I install the nvidia drivers? aka: how do I switch off X?
[10:12] <keelbill> nvidia beta drivers?
[10:12] <LjL> josh_: no it won't. i dunno, i'm just going by attempts... when i see APT breaking like that (which, fortunately, happens quite rarely here), i just pray and try fiddling around ;)
[10:13] <tony_> ohh, well, i give up,
[10:13] <josh_> gotcha
[10:13] <LjL> tony_: just leave the card model as it was
[10:13] <josh_> tony
[10:13] <tony_> i can not select any nvidia .. i keep getting VESA
[10:13] <josh_> just do this
[10:13] <mirjam> kejust the 8xxx drivers
[10:13] <josh_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:13] <LjL> tony_: well, then select geforce2 DDR. seems like the closest match
[10:13] <josh_> once that is installed
[10:13] <josh_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and go through that
[10:14] <BatmanX> should just be able to run nvidia-glx-config also
[10:14] <larson9999> picked up a complete p4 tower(no monitor, etc) for $30 at the salvation army.  they were selling a p2 right next to it with a crappy monitor, mouse, and keyboard for $100
[10:14] <tony_> ok. i guess i have restart x server
[10:14] <silox> how do i setup a command to autostart in Gnome?
[10:14] <tony_> be back
[10:14] <heliotropo> holas
[10:15] <keelbill> holas
[10:15] <ja> Quick questions, I'm getting occasional hiccups in my audio playback. Which audio device are you do you use? (alsa / oss etc?)
[10:15] <rahmetli> larson9999 so?
[10:15] <jtholmes> silox: go to  #ubuntu  and ask the question
[10:15] <larson9999> rahmetli: just thought that was a good deal.
[10:16] <rahmetli> larson9999 it seems to be,sure of p4?
[10:16] <rahmetli> larson9999 :)
[10:16] <keelbill> i use both no problems here
[10:16] <larson9999> rahmetli: yeah.  and early one
[10:16] <keelbill> i mean i can switch form alsa to oss
[10:17] <rahmetli> larson9999 so what r u going to install?
[10:17] <ja> Hmm, okay thx keelbill.
[10:18] <Jonty> LjL: I finally got it sorted - apparently it's an issue with xfonts-utils - installed it with the --download-only option and then installed it directly
[10:18] <josh_> i need to figure out how to get my music to play through freenx....
[10:18] <josh_> this no music thing sucks donkey
[10:19] <zorglu_> josh_: from which os do you use freenx
[10:19] <larson9999> rahmetli: not sure.  i've been using kubuntu for a few months now and mandriva since the 1990's before that.  this is going to be an upgrade for my son's p3.  i'm thinking of going with mandriva 2007 since it comes with the jazzed up version of wine.  have to see how it handles mandriva though
[10:19] <josh_> windows :***(
[10:19] <zorglu_> josh_: hmm i would say you use http streaming from your linux box :)
[10:19] <larson9999> nx is a nice solution.  the fastest free thing i've use for the purpose
[10:20] <josh_> http streaming you say...
[10:20] <josh_> explain please :)
[10:20] <josh_> i like the sound of that
[10:20] <zorglu_> josh_: you need to get the actual sound of the box or just the song file in it ?
[10:20] <Lechero> 4 8 15 16 23 42
[10:20] <keelbill> any repository that contains mplayer for kbuntu edgy?
[10:20] <josh_> just the song file i have playing through amarok
[10:20] <zorglu_> Lechero: twice already, what are those numbers ?
[10:20] <rahmetli> larson9999 your son,how old is he? is he good at linux?
[10:20] <keelbill> i try to install and it says it's not found
[10:21] <zorglu_> josh_: can you drop ammarok and just get the song file from your window and play them there with a window player ?
[10:21] <Lechero> zorglu_: i must write that number each 108 minutes for save the world
[10:21] <samoth13> do you know how to do for gi on icq chanel?
[10:21] <samoth13> irc.icq.com
[10:21] <josh_> not that im aware of...
[10:22] <samoth13> on #french
[10:22] <larson9999> rahmetli: he's 5.  he's been using both linux and xp since he was 1.  could actually log in with his own userid and pw by 2.  all the whippersnappers take to them like they're appendiges(sp)
[10:22] <zorglu_> josh_: ok then use the 'file sharing' applet to share your song directory thru http and read that from a window player
[10:23] <larson9999> rahmetli: well, now he's only got linux on his computer. sometimes he uses my wife's laptop which has xp
[10:23] <josh_> how would i do taht through http?
[10:23] <zorglu_> josh_: put the url in the player, and it will play immediatly :)
[10:24] <zorglu_> josh_: you can even export playing list like that. .m3u
[10:24] <josh_> but i have to have it stream thru some sort of http server...
[10:24] <tony_> Thanks for your helps guys.. things are working well , i guess. :)
[10:24] <rahmetli> larson9999 lucky boy, i wished my father would know about linux when i was 1 :))
[10:24] <josh_> np tony_
[10:24] <tony_> so im off to buy a wireless network card for my system
[10:24] <zorglu_> josh_: yep, either you use the simple one called 'file sharing' applet
[10:25] <tony_> on other note, what you suggesst
[10:25] <tony_> USB . or PCI
[10:25] <tony_> wireless network controler
[10:25] <zorglu_> josh_: or you config yourself a appache2 and put them in the ~/public_html, all that very simple
[10:25] <zorglu_> josh_: very ... depends your current skill which i dunno/remmeber
[10:25] <rahmetli> larson9999 actually he doesnt know computer's letter "C"
[10:26] <zorglu_> josh_: on the other end you already got freenx running which implies some skills
[10:26] <zorglu_> josh_: so yeah i say very easy :)
[10:26] <larson9999> rahmetli: took him about 6 months to figure out moving the mouse moved something on the screen.  after that he took off like crazy.
[10:26] <josh_> lol
[10:26] <larson9999> rahmetli: who doesn't know 'computer's letter "C"'?
[10:26] <rahmetli> larson9999 my father
[10:26] <larson9999> rahmetli: oh
[10:27] <larson9999> rahmetli: i doubt mine does, either
[10:27] <josh_> ok... well looks like im off to set up apache then :P
[10:27] <josh_> talk to you later guys
[10:27] <rahmetli> larson9999 LOL
[10:27] <tony_> later josh_
[10:28] <keelbill> any repository that contains mplayer for kbuntu edgy?
[10:28] <keelbill> i try to install and it says it's not found
[10:28] <rahmetli> larson9999 you managed to teach your son,the best one ;)
[10:28] <tony_> what you  guys recommend ??? USB wireless network controller, or PCI network controller
[10:28] <keelbill> i don't like wireless anything it sucks for gaming
[10:29] <larson9999> Hawkwind: have you tried out mandriva 2007?  i was thinking about checking it out for the jazzed up version of wine that's supposed to come with it... for my son's computer.  curious if you've checked it out and had any thoughts?
[10:29] <tony_> im not gamer . .:)
[10:29] <tony_> just internet
[10:29] <tony_> thats all
[10:29] <keelbill> ok i don't like wireless cause i have a lot of packet loss when playing
[10:29] <tony_> but it sucks to open the pc and install the pci . and is more expansive
[10:29] <rahmetli> larson9999  how many years have you been dealing with linux?
[10:29] <larson9999> rahmetli: actually, i didn't teach him.  i just put it in his room and let his curiousity take over.
[10:30] <keelbill> but if you don't care about that then wireless is more practical
[10:30] <keelbill> i think you need the lrm for some wireless cards to work
[10:30] <tony_> i just need to move my wireless router out of where i am . .hehe. but need something that linux can recognize and work withought me configuring anything
[10:31] <keelbill> arrrggh damn mplayer won't install
[10:31] <larson9999> rahmetli: i installed it in 1997 for the first time and used it just a bit at first gradually increasing until about 2002 when I switched full time for personal use.  now i use windows only on someone else's computer or for work.
[10:31] <jtholmes> !schedule
[10:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:32] <tony_> hopefully when all major software developers start to port thier products to linux as well, everyone start to use linux :)
[10:33] <zorglu_> tony_: or the opposite :)
[10:33] <tony_> or atleast if dot net framework gets ported for linux :) ,
[10:33] <zorglu_> i call this problem the 'seeding problem' :)
[10:33] <jtholmes> tony_: they  wont go there unless there is a market and it is not there yet, but getting closer
[10:33] <rahmetli> larson9999 you do everything personal on linux then.
[10:33] <tony_> or the opposite..
[10:33] <tony_> more and more people getting on linux. im one of them .. been usiung window since dose
[10:33] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:33] <tony_> dos
[10:33] <zorglu_> but ms is helping us quite a lot recently :)
[10:33] <larson9999> tony_: yeah but it doesn't matter so much to me.  i'm not tied to linux.  but i am tied to open source.  for instance if reactos would get to 1.0 i'd throw it into my OS rotation.
[10:34] <keelbill> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:34] <keelbill> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:34] <keelbill> is only available from another source
[10:34] <jtholmes> tony_: yes but we are still the minority
[10:34] <larson9999> rahmetli: yep.  well, i just added freedos so i'm switching between linux and freedos
[10:34] <keelbill> what can i do to insta
[10:34] <keelbill> install
[10:34] <tony_> i guess, there are one too many distro out there .. people are allconfused,..
[10:35] <keelbill> i tried to download the ./configure make and make install but no luck
[10:35] <tony_> some ask me if linux will work with window ..
[10:35] <tony_> when i tell them is OS , they freak
[10:35] <hellsoul> hi
[10:35] <keelbill> i read that on tux magazine
[10:35] <keelbill> lol
[10:35] <tony_> keelbill, i lovce to use VLC .. you can install that for your multimedia
[10:35] <tony_> love
[10:36] <keelbill> VLC
[10:36] <keelbill> ok will try
[10:36] <tony_> will paly almost anything
[10:36] <hellsoul> someone can help me whit a little prob on GNOME?
[10:36] <rahmetli> larson9999 is reactos linux based?
[10:36] <keelbill> i like mplayer cause it plays anything
[10:36] <tony_> so do vlc
[10:36] <tony_> ALmost all MOVIE format
[10:36] <jtholmes> tony_: i am sure you had initial problems but you had some driving force to move to linux maybe to play etc.
[10:36] <dinosaur> oh, all those devel packages take so much space...
[10:36] <larson9999> rahmetli: nope.  it's a windows clone.  kinda like linux is a unix clone.
[10:36] <keelbill> it says E: Couldn't find package vcl
[10:37] <tony_> im not player .. but i think i like rock solid OS that is not crashing evey 10 minute or soo
[10:37] <rahmetli> larson9999 is it opensource?
[10:37] <hellsoul> need little help qhit gnome
[10:37] <tony_> but i use window , because i have Dreamweaver and dotnet framwork installed on it which i use
[10:37] <keelbill> my windo9ws isn't crashing every 10 minutes or so
[10:37] <keelbill> haven't crashed on me for like 2 years
[10:37] <larson9999> rahmetli: yep.  but i'm guessing it's about a year away from being REALLY useful.  if you consider being 1.0 of windows nt, usable.
[10:38] <keelbill> except for 3dsmax
[10:38] <keelbill> but that's autodesk's fault
[10:38] <keelbill> yet i like linux
[10:38] <jtholmes> tony_: however the majority of windows users view the os as a tool box and they have no desire to trade in the tool box they have become very use to for one  lacking in key tools and no tools at all for some jobs we have a long way to go but getting there
[10:38] <larson9999> rahmetli: they are starting to pick up steam on the developement of reactos so maybe kinda soon it'
[10:38] <larson9999> ll be useful.  some thing do run on it now though
[10:38] <keelbill> yeah and configuring and installing appz is sometimes confusing on linux
[10:39] <tony_> you are right jtholmes..
[10:39] <keelbill> many peeps stay away from it because of that
[10:39] <tony_> but i guess , linux can also benefit from apple  marketing ,
[10:39] <rahmetli> larson9999 you r waiting for it?
[10:39] <tony_> using very nice looking Computer and bundling linux on it :)
[10:39] <jtholmes> tony_: i was  never a windows bigot i was always looking for something more for x86 since I cut me teeth on Unix when at AT&T and linux filled that vacuum
[10:40] <keelbill> yeah bundled with beryl
[10:40] <keelbill> people freaks whet they watch my beryl box
[10:40] <larson9999> rahmetli: i don't know if that's the right word but basically i'll use just about any foss os that hit's v1.0
[10:40] <jtholmes> tony_: apple is a great machine especially since jobs converted to OSX I  am considering purchasing one for my wife
[10:40] <tony_> well im new to linux myself, only 3 weeks old. .:) , so far , beside some minor newbee problmes, i had no problmes .. using tools that i needed like apache and mysql and been working wonderfully
[10:41] <keelbill> tony not everyone is computer savy
[10:41] <cvacubo> Good evening.
[10:41] <keelbill> most peeps will need help even to login
[10:41] <tony_> they look more like conversation pieces :) , i like the way they look , but someone told me MACOSX iis build on Linux kernel
[10:41] <jtholmes> tony_: apache is very mature in the web area it has the largest market share of servers, bar none
[10:41] <tony_> not sure if that is true
[10:41] <tony_> thats right ..
[10:42] <tony_> im using apchae and mysql and php for my site and developing stuff. ( new to php )
[10:42] <larson9999> mac os is derived from bsd.
[10:42] <jtholmes> tony_: as far as i know  OSX  is composed of  mach kernel, some bsd and Jobs own (excellent) Next Step os (next step was a marketing failure)
[10:42] <tony_> didn't know that .
[10:43] <rahmetli> i didnt know that also
[10:43] <larson9999> for me, mac came to the unix dance a bit too late.  and it's still too expensive and in many ways even less free than windows
[10:43] <tony_> i guess, when apple never allwoed clonning , that realy kild it products.
[10:43] <tony_> but now gaining good foot,, due to designe of thier computer
[10:43] <jtholmes> larson9999: i thought i saw a Mac desktop for about $1100 was I wrong
[10:43] <tony_> i like to have apple , just because is pretty :)
[10:43] <larson9999> well, there were some apple clones.  i have one.
[10:44] <tony_> yes. they came too late. i guess :)
[10:44] <larson9999> jtholmes: that's too expensive for me :)
[10:44] <tony_> window got where it is because of IBM clons
[10:44] <rahmetli> i dont have one but i am ok with kubuntu :)
[10:44] <larson9999> jtholmes: i just bought a desktop for $400
[10:44] <tony_> :)
[10:44] <jtholmes> larson9999: ok i was just comparing to the original  $3000 laptops which i was not going to buy
[10:44] <cvacubo> I want help Kubuntu. And I create Lila deb-package. But I don't know what I need to do for send or upload my deb-package to Kubuntu Community. Maybe you can help me ?
[10:45] <tony_> kubuntu is my first linux installatin , and to my surprise was fast and easy ..
[10:45] <larson9999> jtholmes: but it's the non-freedom of the OS that would prevent me from going OS X even if i had all the cash in the world.
[10:45] <duane> pclinuxos is an easier install than kubuntu by far imo
[10:45] <duane> it's better out the box than kubuntu too
[10:46] <Samuli^> duane, how could it even be? :)
[10:46] <larson9999> jtholmes: i don't buy laptops either for the same reason.  too expensive for the horsepower.
[10:46] <duane> Samuli^: i dunno, i've just always found PCLOS's more intuitive
[10:46] <keelbill> anything easir than kubuntu?
[10:46] <tony_> anyways, im out to get me wireless controller , so wish me luck i get something that would work out of box with linux :):)::)
[10:46] <jtholmes> larson9999: i   cant argue w/that but i would go to it for my wife as  i hear it is very trouble free and has many built in features, me I will stick with linux of some flavor
[10:46] <duane> yeah, im using kubuntu now
[10:46] <keelbill> lol this time i didn't have to do anything
[10:46] <Samuli^> I don't buy laptops because i'm then restricted to the keyboard and monitor.
[10:46] <keelbill> just set timezone and keyboard layout
[10:46] <duane> PCLOS deals with partitions easier
[10:46] <rahmetli> tony_ LOL
[10:47] <Samuli^> if one of them fails the laptop is useless.
[10:47] <duane> like if you already have a linux partition
[10:47] <keelbill> ok
[10:47] <jtholmes> tony_: look on teh linux wireless page to see what works
[10:47] <duane> PCLOS is also setup alot better out the box than kubuntu
[10:47] <keelbill> i actually already had my reiser and swap partitions
[10:47] <tony_> will do that .
[10:47] <larson9999> yeah, those wife thingies.
[10:47] <duane> i hate how ugly the fonts are out the box on kubuntu
[10:47] <duane> and PCLOS comes with mp3, and video playback support out the box
[10:47] <keelbill> i will check PCLOS then
[10:47] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:48] <duane> and to install graphics drivers all you got to do is install a package and restart x
[10:48] <jtholmes> Samuli^: keyboard yes monitor most laptops have a port for external monitor
[10:48] <duane> pclos just doesnt work with my wireless card
[10:48] <duane> so i'm on kubuntu and i just made it look just like pclos
[10:48] <Samuli^> jtholmes, I'm pretty sure they have port for keyboard too, if they don't that's pretty bad engineering IMO.
[10:48] <duane> so it's not much a difference since pclos uses synaptic and apt also
[10:48] <Samuli^> but still, it's not a laptop with external monitor anymore.
[10:49] <duane> pclos is just easier to setup out the box that's the reason why i like it
[10:49] <jtholmes> Samuli^: true but i like mine for traveling it is great
[10:49] <rahmetli> duane is pclos adebian clone?
[10:49] <Samuli^> I don't travel that much :)
[10:49] <rahmetli> duane is pclos a debian clone?
[10:49] <keelbill> bah mine looks much better than pclos
[10:50] <keelbill> still if it comes with video and mp3 will be very atractive for new users
[10:50] <duane> rahmetli: it's a fork of mandrake
[10:50] <keelbill> specially if partitioning is as easy as he says
[10:50] <duane> uses rpm
[10:50] <luka80> hi, where i download amule? u know a link?
[10:50] <rahmetli> keelbill it will never come i think :)
[10:51] <luka80> amule for kubuntu
[10:51] <duane> holy crap i got 9 gigs on my linux partition
[10:51] <duane> where'd that come from :)
[10:51] <ubuntu__> hi guys
[10:52] <rahmetli> duane where?? tell us so we can have the same 9 gigs :))
[10:52] <duane> i wish it was that easy
[10:52] <duane> hehe
[10:52] <keelbill> i only have 6gb for my linux partition the rest is winblows
[10:53] <rittap> is it dangerous to make a partition on a hard drive where part is partitioned and part is not?
[10:53] <dennister> i'm baaaaaaack
[10:53] <dennister> hi all
[10:54] <keelbill> ok i try to install VCL with apt-get and it can't find it
[10:54] <rahmetli> duane should we use rsync for the same 9 gigs? :)))
[10:54] <duane> lol sure why not
[10:54] <duane> keelbill: after I fix my windows partition i'm going to allot more space towards linux than windows
[10:55] <keelbill> yeah id like that too
[10:55] <rittap> I want to make a linux partitioning on a non-partitioned part of my hard drive, the other part is partitioned with windows..
[10:55] <duane> i honestly dont use windows for anything but to use this program to dj parties
[10:55] <rittap> is that secure?
[10:55] <keelbill> but somehow my games run crappier on linux than windows
[10:55] <keelbill> also i have software that won't run on linux
[10:55] <duane> <--not a gamer
[10:55] <duane> so i dont have that problem
[10:56] <keelbill> so i'm forced to stay on windows
[10:56] <rahmetli> duane which program to dj parties?
[10:56] <duane> yeah i think everyone must use windows for something
[10:56] <dennister> i'm trying to load some modules, and i'm getting errors that they don't exist
[10:56] <keelbill> yeah that sucks
[10:56] <duane> rahmetli: a program called djdecks
[10:56] <duane> www.djdecks.be
[10:56] <rahmetli> duane is it opensource
[10:56] <duane> nope
[10:57] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:57] <dennister> <-----would like to use windows, but can't cause her disk is cracked
[10:57] <dennister> so here I am trying to load ivtv :-(
[10:57] <rittap> hmm
[10:57] <rittap> @dennister disk is cracked?
[10:57] <dennister> yep...disk 1 of xp media center edition
[10:58] <dennister> lovely little 1/2 inch split from center
[10:58] <rittap> @dennister bummer, no backups??
[10:59] <rittap> @dennister or other less-legal ways :)
[10:59] <dennister> it's been over a week now with no tv...nope...hard to backup a holographed disk set
[10:59] <rittap> ow darn
[10:59] <fdoving> hint #kubuntu-offtopic hint.
[10:59] <dennister> my oem is trying to get me some replacement media
[10:59] <dennister> hey fdoving! :-)
[10:59] <rittap> okay that's service
[11:00] <fdoving> hi dennister.
[11:00] <dennister> how is my savior?
[11:00] <dennister> <---loves fdoving
[11:00] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[11:01] <dennister> fdoving: can u help me with my ivtv drivers? I've been struggling with them and howtos for 2 days now
[11:01] <rittap> @rahmetli maybe some screen setting?
[11:02] <fdoving> dennister: i doubt that, don't know much about ivtv.
[11:02] <rahmetli> rittap i dont know,it started to irritate me :(
[11:02] <fdoving> dennister: maybe someone else here does.
[11:02] <dennister> can't load the modules into /proc/modules
[11:02] <dennister> anyone?
[11:02] <fdoving> dennister: what's the modulename?
[11:03] <dennister> there are 4: msp3400, cx25840, wm8775, and saa7127
[11:03] <dennister> aka almost all of them
[11:03] <dennister> lol
[11:04] <dennister> <------doesn't even know where they might be to copy them over
[11:04] <ErikTheRed> are you trying to have the modules autoload on startup?
[11:04] <dennister> i'm definitely closer...but...yes i am erik
[11:05] <ErikTheRed> can you modprobe them currently?
[11:05] <dennister> i believe so, but not sure
[11:05] <dennister> i don't get any error message when i try to modprobe
[11:05] <ErikTheRed> yeah they're working then
[11:05] <dennister> amazzing
[11:05] <ErikTheRed> you'll want to add the names of all the modules to /etc/modules
[11:06] <ErikTheRed> that'll take care of autostarting them
[11:06] <dennister> and where are they located? i'm afraid i'll get 10 million results if i do a locate
[11:07] <ErikTheRed> you don't need to know where they are
[11:07] <ErikTheRed> you just edit /etc/modules with a text editor and add each one's name on a seperate line
[11:07] <dennister> ahhhhh...k, brb
[11:07] <fdoving> rahmetli: take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21808.html
[11:08] <xwolf-> i'm having a problem here. i type my login+password but ksplash won't start. it goes back to login/password request form
[11:08] <rahmetli> fdoving thanks,i am checking
[11:09] <rittap> @xwolf is this your first startup?
[11:09] <xwolf-> nope. i was just using it. then i put a dvd on and clicked its icon so it would get mounted+acessed through konqueror. when i came back, the pc was down
[11:10] <xwolf-> i turned it on and now it won't start graphically. i'm using irssi here.
[11:11] <xwolf-> rittap: sorry. it's up there /\
[11:11] <rittap> lol
[11:12] <rittap> thats kinda weird
[11:12] <rittap> tried to reboot??
[11:12] <dennister> k, the're all in /etc/modules now...even 2 saa files, lol...that'll be an error for sure
[11:13] <xwolf-> no. i guessed a reboot wouldn't do since it was already off.
[11:13] <xwolf-> but i'll reboot just to double check.
[11:13] <xwolf-> exit
[11:14] <dennister> now i'm gonna have to reboot, and something different should happen when i try to load them all
[11:14] <dennister> be back soon with a report
[11:15] <steakhades> deutsch???
[11:15] <rittap> #kubuntu-de
[11:15] <rittap> :P
[11:16] <steakhades> :D das hab ich nicht gesehen
[11:16] <rittap> gern geschehen :)
[11:18] <xwolf-> yeap. no change, rittap. tried failsafe session login as well.
[11:18] <rittap> @xwolf hmm thats totally weird
[11:19] <rittap> read /etc/fstab is the disk still mounted?
[11:19] <xwolf-> i'm sorry, i don't follow you. what do you mean?
[11:19] <rittap> is the DVD still mounted?
[11:20] <marcus> how does one start konq in root mode without being root?
[11:20] <rittap> in /etc/mtab
[11:20] <BonBonTheJon> marcus: in the k-menu do run program, and run 'kdesu konqueror"
[11:20] <xwolf-> rittap: no, it's not even mentioned.
[11:21] <rittap> @xwolf: Then I'm sorry, I can't help you, I'm not an expert
[11:21] <xwolf-> marcus: alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror
[11:22] <marcus> thank you for the help
[11:22] <xwolf-> rittap: ok, let's assess. why wouldn't login work in the first place?
[11:23] <rittap> @xwolf because of a corrupt script?
[11:24] <larson9999> this thing has rimm ram.  is that good or bad for cheap guys like me?
[11:24] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[11:24] <oslo>  hi i'm trying 1.0-9625 on kubuntu when i install it , its OK, then i start kdm then i log in ALL is OK, but if i reboot nvidia not working anymore !!! can u help ?
[11:24] <rysiek|pl> when is edgy expected to be releassed as stable?
[11:25] <xwolf-> rittap: well, if you're saying :)... so, which script?
[11:25] <BonBonTheJon> rysiek|pl: its in beta now and should come out by the end of the month
[11:25] <fdoving> rysiek|pl: 28th this month.
[11:25] <rittap> @xwolf uh I dont know, there a quite a few! :)
[11:26] <xwolf-> damn.
[11:26] <rysiek|pl> fdoving: thanks a lot
[11:27] <xwolf-> it's weird... really weird. i type login+pass then enter. but the screen behaves as i've restarted it with ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:27] <rittap> and console login works?
[11:27] <xwolf-> yeap
[11:28] <fdoving> xwolf-: can you login from console,and read the output of 'tail -n10 ~/.xsession-errors' ?
[11:30] <xwolf-> fdoving: i typed it but it outputs nothing
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> Hi guys :)
[11:30] <dennister> hi again
[11:30] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> Is there a linux live radio ?
[11:31] <dennister> report: some improvement! all but one module loaded at boot
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> dennister, hi :)
[11:31] <dennister> hi lostbyte
[11:31] <BonBonTheJon> |lostbyte|: can you give an example
[11:31] <dennister> it was that stubborn msp3400 one i've been struggling with almost from the getgo
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> BonBonTheJon, Like i been searchin for a internet radio that is dedicated to linux..
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> BonBonTheJon, like http://www.linuxreality.com
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> But they only host pod casts.
[11:32] <dennister> lostbyte: there is live radio with the tuners
[11:32] <BonBonTheJon> |lostbyte|: I don't know about live radio, but i know there are some podcasts
[11:32] <xwolf-> fdoving: no ideas?
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> BonBonTheJon, which othere, do you know ?
[11:33] <fdoving> xwolf-: i would start searching http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> dennister, tuners ?
[11:33] <fdoving> xwolf-: can't do it for you, have to go to bed. hope you can find something.
[11:33] <dennister> erikthered had to leave? :-(
[11:33] <BonBonTheJon> |lostbytes|: i know i've seen some on itunes, linux quwestions is one
[11:33] <xwolf-> fdoving: thank you
[11:33] <dennister> yes lostbyte...i'm trying to set up a tuner now
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> dennister, looking on it.
[11:34] <dennister> tvtuner that is, but most tuners have fmradio too
[11:34] <xwolf-> does anyone know of an msn protocol text-mode thingie?
[11:34] <fdoving> xwolf-: tmsnc
[11:34] <dennister> it's not for the faint of heart lostbyte...tuners are some of the most difficult things in the world to setup
[11:34] <dennister> both in windows and linux
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> huh.. 8-)
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> dennister, could you link me.
[11:35] <dennister> link u? not sure what u mean?
[11:36] <xwolf-> fdoving: great, the thing just says it couldnt create a config file.
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> dennister, link me to more info on tuners.
[11:37] <dennister> that's a huge task lostbyte...start searching the ubuntu.com site
[11:37] <dennister> or try for hauppauge...they're supposed to work for ubuntu
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> dennister, oh, ok.. let it be then.
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> huh. ok
[11:37] <dennister> k...too bad erikthered had to leave :-(
[11:38] <dennister> finally someone that knew something about ivtvdrivers
[11:38] <dennister> any new pps here who could help?
[11:39] <dennister> erik!!!
[11:39] <dennister> i was just bemoaning the fact that u were gone
[11:40] <dennister> all but one module loaded: msp3400 has been giving me probs since the getgo
[11:42] <dennister> hi motorcity
[11:44] <dennister> hello?
[11:44] <BonBonTheJon> hi, dennister
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> :)
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> :-o
[11:44] <dennister> <------wasn't getting any response at all, from anyone to anyone
[11:45] <dennister> ok now
[11:47] <dennister> i've done loacates for a driver that did have its module loaded, and compare it with the msp34000...see where the latter file is *not* showing up like the others
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> dennister, /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko
[11:50] <|lostbyte|> :-/
[11:50] <dennister> u have it there lostbyte?
[11:51] <rance> I need to ask a question about scanners? I have one that sane supports in the version of sane that is part of kubuntu, but I cant seem to get my scanning apps to find the scanner even when scanimage -L will figure it out fine
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> thats what locate said for me.
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> dennister, locate msp3400
[11:52] <dennister> i did...i have it in lots of places, but not as many places as the other drivers
[11:53] <josh_> how do i add smb mounts to my fstab again?
[11:54] <josh_> its been a long LONG time since i have had to mess with samba lol
[11:54] <dennister> lostbyte, I have the msp3400 in the right directory: just like yours, only different kernel name
[11:54] <josh_> why can windows just be more like linux...
[11:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, its always loaded from .. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[11:54] <josh_> :P
[11:55] <dennister> <---thinks lostbyte was holding out on her at first
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> "holding out" ?
[11:56] <dennister> yeah, u knew about tuners...and here i was trying to tell you about them when u first came in
[11:56] <dennister> lol
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> dennister, huh, not really. just experiance setting up my saa7134
[11:58] <gupta> I have to use a script that has "/usr/bin/env ruby" as the first line
[11:58] <gupta> which package do I need to run this?
[11:58] <gupta> which exact package? ;)
[11:58] <|lostbyte|> !env
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about env - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <gupta> actually th first line is #!/usr/bin/env ruby
[11:59] <dennister> ok...u've been helping, that's the main point
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> gupta, looks like it already installed by default
[12:00] <dennister> basically i've got 8 copies of msp3400 on my hdd, and about twice that of the other modules
[12:00] <dennister> or files
[12:01] <gupta> |lostbyte|: the error: /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[12:02] <gupta> ok apt-get install ruby was all that was needed.. sry!
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> dennister, dmesg | grep msp3400      .. should show something..
[12:04] <dennister> ok...got 3 lines in response, one about it failing to load module, and two about it disagreeing about version of symbol struct_module
[12:05] <dennister> great...getting somewhere again, and my savior gets kicked offline
[12:06] <dennister> what in the hell is symbol struct_module?
[12:07] <dennister> le alone the version of it..heheh
[12:07] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: how/can one clean/clear out old stored commands in run command box ?
[12:08] <dennister> <------has no idea
[12:08] <dennister> sorry
[12:10] <dennister> wb lostbyte!
[12:10] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: sorted memory issue. 2nd,3rd bank only support one-sided RAM. two-sided RAM over heats


[17:10] <shannonlucas> In caase anyone is interested, Rasmus Lerdorf, the creator of PHP, is speaking tonight at the Seattle PHP Meetup: http://hasmeetup-eorg.eventbrite.com/
[18:39] <cj> shannonlucas: nice.  I haven't seen him for a while
[18:39] <cj> shannonlucas: if you end up going, tell him I say hi.  I'm on Orcas until Thursday
[19:30] <MJEvans> http://www.gslug.org/wiki/index.php/Meeting_2011-10-08 << I can't attend the meeting, but maybe there's a launch party?
[19:31] <MJEvans> Ah topic
[19:32] <MJEvans> Thursday after work...


[00:18] <smoser> blackboxsw, still there?
[00:18] <smoser> you probably shouldnt be.
[03:36] <blackboxsw> smoser: sorry was doing dinner and bedtime: just ran on azure artful (from zesty upgrade) with and without ifupdown. Worked like a charm in both cases.
[03:36] <blackboxsw> approved your branch
[03:36] <blackboxsw> for tomorrow
[14:56] <smoser> hm...
[15:18] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/ubuntu/sm-proposed-artful
[15:33] <rharper> raharper/ubuntu-devel-new-artful-release-v3
[16:44] <blkadder> Question for the hive-mind: I am using cloud-init to spin up AWS instances via the aws CLI + yaml files. I am in the process of writing a wrapper script as among other things I want to be able to set the hostname for a given instance on launch. I am wondering if it is possible to merge the existing YAML file with the command line parameters I am setting?
[16:59] <smoser> the aws cli only will allow you to pass one "user-data" blob.
[16:59] <smoser> you can merge all your yaml files to your liking ahead of that one blob
[16:59] <smoser> or you can combine multiple blobs into a mime-multipart message and putt hat as your blob and cloud-init will merge yaml on its side.
[17:03] <blkadder> smoser, Thanks, I was trying to sort through that last option but couldn't find any examples of how to do so.
[17:04] <blkadder> Otherwise I was just going to have the script treat the yaml file as a template and sed the hostname in.
[17:14] <smoser> blkadder, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit
[17:14] <smoser> that shows how to create a mime multipart
[17:14] <blkadder> Awesome thanks!
[17:15] <blkadder> Had been looking for something like that.
[17:18] <blkadder> Although looking at it, if I need to go through those gyrations, it is probably simpler to just sub in the hostname with sed as that's the only thing I need to do at present.
[17:18] <blkadder> In any event appreciate the assist.
[20:16] <powersj> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331736
[21:22] <powersj> another https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331743
[21:23] <blackboxsw> I'm glad someone is making progress
[21:23] <blackboxsw> I'm trying to clear out from under unified getdata
[21:24] <powersj> well that 2nd merge was written by smoser and I just went and did the work and tested it ;)


[03:39] <Sarvatt> Dr_Jakob: you and me both.. pretty soon moorestown is going to replace that dread :)
[05:37] <vish> Sarvatt: should i file a separate bug then? or will the .33.3 drm patches land irrespective of a bug?
[09:45] <hyperair> wooo maverick has hit the mirrors!
[09:45] <bryceh> nice
[09:45]  * hyperair contemplates upgrading
[09:46] <bryceh> hyperair, you're not running lucid already?
[09:46] <hyperair> bryceh: running lucid. contemplating upgrading to maverick =p
[09:46] <bryceh> oh ahhh
[09:47] <bryceh> well, the next few weeks should be pretty boring
[09:47] <bryceh> most breakage will come post-UDS
[09:47] <hyperair> heheh
[09:47] <hyperair> breakage huh
[11:59] <om26er> hello everybody! what would be the grub parameter for booting nvidia without KMS


[04:07] <lguerra> Riched: ping
[04:16] <neurogeek> !seen mhz
[04:16] <ubotu> I haven't seen mhz recently
[04:17] <jsgotangco> lguerra: he's most likely asleep at this time
[04:19] <lguerra> jsgotangco: tks
[04:20] <lguerra> neurogeek: What you need mhz? I tomorrow speak with him, desire that tell him something?
[04:21] <neurogeek> lguerra, oh thanks.. please tell him that i've been madly looking for him.. i need to speak with him
[04:22] <lguerra> neurogeek: ok.
[05:14] <lguerra> highvoltage, Who can collaborate me to change the wikiname in the wiki official?
[05:21] <lguerra> neurogeek: ping
[05:29] <neurogeek> lguerra, hello
[06:05] <stelis> nixternal: I've finished this section: http://www.elsn.org/downloads/edubuntu/drafts/p4-docandsup.xml
[07:01] <keltorsori> anybody here have experience with ppc clients?
[07:02] <keltorsori> good evening
[07:02] <keltorsori> anyone have any experience with ppc clients?
[07:03] <keltorsori> i've got a bead on a lab full of imacs and want to use them as ltsp clients. i assume i need to build a new chroot with ppc?
[08:02] <highvoltage> morning edubuntuland
[10:08] <RichEd> hey jono
[10:08] <RichEd> Editing your LoCo page at the moment.
[10:08] <jono> hey
[10:08] <jono> cool :)
[10:18] <jsgotangco> heya
[10:18] <willvdl> jsgotangco, hey
[10:23] <willvdl> http://www.innovateonline.info/ OSS features for OCt/Nov
[10:24] <jsgotangco> OHHHHHHHH
[10:24] <jsgotangco> this is nice!
[10:36] <jsgotangco> willvdl: i should subscribe here
[10:36] <willvdl> it is very nice
[10:37] <willvdl> How many folk in the UK are familiar with http://www.intute.ac.uk/ ?
[10:38] <stelis> I haven't heard of them
[10:38] <stelis> I know of OSS Watch
[10:38] <stelis> Fundined by JISC
[10:38] <stelis> But that's never really caught fire
[10:39] <stelis> Oh, right
[10:40] <stelis> This is for general Web resources
[10:40] <stelis> Like a kind of DMOZ for academia
[10:44] <willvdl> yip. will have to go through it.
[10:45] <willvdl> stelis, familiar with EDNA?
[10:45] <stelis> My first thought was that search engine integration for this would rock
[10:45] <stelis> willvdl: No, fraid not
[10:46] <willvdl> Aussie edu network. Apparantly it is the bomb, from content to libraries to resources to management to authoring...
[10:46] <stelis> Is this material available to poms?
[10:49] <willvdl> don't know really.
[10:50] <willvdl> might not be relevant
[10:50] <willvdl> but the portal/structure/methadology is very very interesting
[10:52] <jsgotangco> these links are nice
[10:53] <stelis> Yep
[10:57] <stelis> Got to run...train to catch
[10:57] <stelis> Bye all
[11:13] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know who's working on the release announcement?
[11:14] <RichEd> highvoltage: I think silbs is putting together an Ubuntu and Edubuntu and Kubuntu general release
[11:16] <highvoltage> ok
[12:45] <ogra> RichEd, are you sure ?
[12:45] <jsgotangco> hey
[12:45] <ogra> yo
[12:46] <ogra> * Languages: zh es bn hi ar xh pt ru ja de
[12:46] <ogra> ;)
[12:46] <RichEd> ogra: I will confirm with her now, but she asked me / you for 3 top features for Edubuntu 6.06 yesterday
[12:46] <ogra> pitti just added a ton of langpacks to the CDs :)
[12:46] <ogra> RichEd, i know, but i thought for final we'd have separate notes
[12:46] <jsgotangco> ogra: we seem to have space lately
[12:46] <ogra> yeah
[12:46] <ogra> ~15M on i386
[12:47] <RichEd> ogra: sorry please expand on that comment ^^ ?
[12:47] <jsgotangco> I was surprised to see the build w/o langpacks at 650+MB
[12:47] <ogra> RichEd, i thought we'd do combined notes for the milestone releases, but for the final one we'd have separate release notes
[12:51] <jsgotangco> Wow edubuntu rel notes would be way different because of ltsp
[12:51] <ogra> well
[12:51] <ogra> ubuntu release notes will have a lot about ltsp already i guess
[12:52] <jsgotangco> Ahhh
[12:52] <ogra> so we can only put up the integration bit here
[01:02] <RichEd> ogra: I am asking Silbs who is coordinating Edgy press releases, and then will find out (1) what is already planned and (2) ask for advance copies. We can then discuss what gaps need to be addressed.
[01:02] <ogra> oki
[01:02] <RichEd> ogra: We can plan a full detailed release for our mail lists, and then use that info in different formats for other outlets.
[01:03] <ogra> no, lets have something thats consistent, lets not do douplicated work
[01:03] <ogra> *duplicated
[01:04] <ogra> if we have a combined announcement, lets just point to it on our lists ... else lets make sure it also goes there and not only to the announce list
[01:05] <jsgotangco> So the relnotes/announce are now done at the office?
[01:06] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I am confirming ...
[01:07] <jsgotangco> Much less work heh
[01:07] <ogra> well ....
[01:08] <ogra> also much less info about what we improved in a combined announcement ... (do dont have as much space)
[01:08] <jsgotangco> yeah...its not like most people know the innards
[01:08] <ogra> s/do/you/
[03:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:50] <highvoltage> howdy bddebian!
[03:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:51] <highvoltage> good afternoon sbalneav
[03:51] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage!
[03:52] <highvoltage> sbalneav: have you ever seen a udev error message on the clients while booting?
[03:52] <highvoltage> I came across that error during testing the past weekend, but it doesn't seem like anyone else have seen it before.
[03:53] <highvoltage> I'm hoping that it was just a unique glitch
[03:53] <sbalneav> What was the error?
[03:54] <bddebian> Hello highvoltage, sbalneav
[03:55] <sbalneav> Hello bddebian
[03:55] <highvoltage> sbalneav: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/67383
[04:03] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20061024.3/ <-- if thats not broken it will be the release :)
[04:03] <highvoltage> :-D
[04:04] <highvoltage> ogra: this isn't a problem in edgy anyore, righ? so it can be resolved?
[04:04] <highvoltage> ogra: this isn't a problem in edgy anyore, righ? so it can be resolvedhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47304
[04:05] <highvoltage> lag--
[04:06] <ogra> yeah, its sdolved, even thin clients should have the right cursor after boot now
[04:11] <highvoltage> ogra: the education icon that was missing, could that be solved in time?
[04:13] <ogra> nope
[04:13] <ogra> but in an upgrade
[04:14] <highvoltage> ok
[04:27] <sbalneav> rsyncer.sh for the win!
[04:27] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I believe the correct term these days is ftw
[04:38] <juliux> highvoltage, ping
[04:38] <RichEd> hey juliux, sbalneav
[04:39] <juliux> hi RichEd
[04:39] <juliux> so my edgy update is finished without a problem
[04:52] <highvoltage> juliux: pong
[04:52] <juliux> highvoltage, you said a long time ago that i should create/install something on my server for edubuntugirl but i forgot it
[04:54] <highvoltage> juliux: this is a strange co-incidence, I was just busy installing edubuntu girl stuff right now on another server
[04:54] <highvoltage> juliux: we'll have her back shortly :)
[04:54] <juliux> highvoltage, ah ok
[04:55] <juliux> highvoltage,  i saw your account today on my server and i was wondering because you loged in only one time;)
[04:56] <highvoltage> juliux: really? i remember loggin g in more.
[04:56] <juliux> highvoltage, ok one or two times
[04:56] <juliux> highvoltage, i have the rest of the logs on an other computer;)
[04:57] <highvoltage> 9two might be right. I couldn't do much without those modules :/
[04:58] <highvoltage> lag--
[05:16] <nixternal> hey, where are all of the Edubuntu docs stored and worked on?  not talking about the handbook, but rather the About Edubuntu, Release Notes, Desktop Guides, and the Browser Start Page?
[05:23] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[06:04] <cbx33> nixternal, are they not i nthe doc repo?
[06:04] <nixternal> not that i can tell, i went ahead and grabbed the source, edited the file, added info to the changelog, and then created a debdiff, attached it to a bug i just filed
[06:07] <nixternal> ogra_ or anyone who can fix it ->  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/68002
[06:09] <cbx33> ogra did you get my updated usplash
[06:09] <ogra> yes, its in
[06:09] <cbx33> ;)
[06:09] <ogra> nixternal: sorry, my gaim crashed ... what was the bug number ?
[06:10] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/68002
[06:11] <ogra> oh, thats fixed long ago ... some time before RC
[06:11] <nixternal> i also noticed the edubuntu-artwork package is using Standards-Version: 3.6.7 instead of 3.7.2..i didn't build with the new standards, as I figured I would leave that up to the professionals
[06:12] <nixternal> well, the title is still wrong, even in the source i downloaded today
[06:12] <ogra> hmpf
[06:12] <nixternal> heh
[06:12] <ogra> we cant rebuild the CDs anymore
[06:12] <cbx33> Confirmed
[06:12] <ogra> unless there is a heavy blocker
[06:13] <cbx33> so this is it?
[06:13] <cbx33> did we get everything done?
[06:13] <ogra> and your dendiff only contains a changelog entry
[06:13] <cbx33> that's what I thought too
[06:13] <ogra> *debdiff
[06:13] <nixternal> mine shows the edits
[06:14] <ogra> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4932716/edubuntu-artwork.debdiff
[06:14] <cbx33> nixternal, check the LP page one
[06:14] <nixternal> ya, that isn't even close to being the same
[06:14] <nixternal> lp did that
[06:16] <nixternal> i know why..i didn't select "patch"
[06:17] <nixternal> now check it out
[06:17] <cbx33> that's better
[06:17] <nixternal> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4932736/edubuntu-artwork.debdiff
[06:17] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <ogra> right :)
[06:18] <cbx33> nixternal, did we sort out about the images in the handbook repo?
[06:18] <ogra> if we have to rebuild the CDs for some reason i'll try to get it in, else it will have to wait for -updates
[06:18] <nixternal> kind of funny how it was being rendered as a webpage just by not selecting patch..that was cool
[06:18] <cbx33> haha
[06:18] <cbx33> ogra, how is the mood now?
[06:18] <cbx33> I mean ubuntu wise
[06:18] <cbx33> gearing down a little?
[06:19] <nixternal> scpdisconnect.jpg  scpexec.jpg  scpkill.jpg  scpmain.jpg  scpmess.jpg  scpprocs.jpg
[06:19] <nixternal> those are the images i see there
[06:19] <nixternal> that are in the binaryredneck svn
[06:19] <nixternal> i have those, and then some in the doc repo svn, such as the Edubuntu logos
[06:20] <cbx33> right....but in my scp doc....do I just link relative to those image names
[06:21] <nixternal> that is fine
[06:21] <nixternal> i can do any fixing necessary if the dir structure changes at all
[06:22] <nixternal> im hoping to call a meeting concerning the handbook, there is no way it will be out for Edgy, and trying to do so would be a huge mistake, i think it needs some time right now, to pick up more content
[06:22] <nixternal> i think if we were to finish every section we have planned, it would still be naked
[06:23] <nixternal> RichEd: ^^  about another Handbook meeting if possible
[06:23] <nixternal> i shall return..i have to sign some documents to provide the government for my educational benefits ;)  bbiaf
[06:23] <sbalneav> I agree, but is there any chance of posting what content there is as html pages, or wiki pages somewhere?
[06:24] <sbalneav> There's some useful LTSP info in there that it would be handy to be able to refer people to.
[06:24] <cbx33> nixternal, you gone?
[06:27] <sbalneav> \o/ for -bigiron kernel!  Now my x3550 Ibm server can see all 5 gigs of ram!
[06:31] <nixternal> im here,
[06:31] <nixternal> preparing some faxes now
[06:32] <ogra-thin> looks good :)
[06:34] <nixternal> moinmoin2docbook is there, just not to good right now..we are working with that, as it is a Google SoC project
[06:34] <nixternal> i don't see why we wouldn't be able to convert the pages into something useful though..i will look into that
[06:42] <sbalneav> nixternal: It wouldn't be that hard: an exercise in text processing.
[06:43] <sbalneav> Could probably get close with a 40 line awk program.
[06:43] <sbalneav> ogra-thin: You're already a skinny dude.
[06:44] <sbalneav> Phhht: IBM "We recommend Red Hat Enterprise Linux for our xServer line"
[06:44] <sbalneav> Nuts to that, says I :)
[06:47] <cbx33> sbalneav, ++
[06:51] <nixternal> sbalneav: no need to script anything, there are plenty of applications to do what we need, xml to html is easy, and i already have the scripts to do that, i also have a fop connection to export docbook to pdf as well
[06:52] <nixternal> anywho, lunch time...bbiab
[08:12] <keltorsori> anyone running any ppc clients?
[09:57] <keltorsori> anyone actually here today?
[09:58] <LaserJock> I am
[09:58] <keltorsori> anyone noticed that terminal users on an xubuntu ltsp setup can shutdown the main system?
[09:58] <keltorsori> seems like a serious problem
[09:59] <pygi> keltorsori: the same problem with gnome existed/exists
[10:00] <keltorsori> new edubuntu allows users only to log off (6.10), no shutdown or hibernate options
[10:01] <pygi> keltorsori: I know :)
[10:01] <pygi> you could do the same in dapper with tweaking
[10:01] <keltorsori> this is a problem with xfce?
[10:02] <pygi> no, with it's configuration
[10:02] <pygi> perhaps you could also tweak it
[10:03] <keltorsori> which by the way, i just got a couple of norhtec microclient jrs (http://norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html) for testing out. these things are absolutely ridiculously tiny and pxe boot out of the box just fine
[10:03] <keltorsori> pygi: any pointers towards where i might find the configuration info needed to fix this?
[10:04] <pygi> keltorsori: #xubuntu ^_^
[10:04] <pygi> keltorsori: gconf keys
[10:04] <keltorsori> pygi: thanks, i tried the xubuntu chann, nobody there knows anything, but i think i can figure it out
[10:05] <pygi> keltorsori: start the gconf-editor pls ^_^
[10:06] <keltorsori> xubuntu only has xfce, no gnome
[10:06] <pygi> oh, oh, right , sorry :P
[10:06] <keltorsori> thanks though:)
[10:06] <pygi> no worries, if only I could help you :P
[10:06] <pygi> keltorsori: if you're willing to instruct. we could make xfce behave better on feisty ^_^
[10:08] <keltorsori> pygi: well when i get it figured out, i'll let everyone know
[10:08] <pygi> oki, thanks ^_^
[10:08] <keltorsori> too bad i didn't catch this earlier
[10:08] <pygi> yea :(
[10:30] <_MMA_> Hello guys.
[10:30] <_MMA_> I have a question.
[10:31] <_MMA_> Im working on Ubuntu Studio. I need to setup a custom default setup on install using Gnome.
[10:33] <Burgwork> _MMA_: you need to create meta packages
[10:33] <_MMA_> Meaning we arent using the same one as Ubuntu. We want to change it. Any direction is appreciated.
[10:33] <Burgwork> I suggest you talk to the #ichthux people
[10:33] <_MMA_> Do they stray from the default layout?
[10:33] <Burgwork> yes
[10:33] <_MMA_> Are they on Freenode?
[10:34] <Burgwork> yep
[10:34] <Burgwork> #ichthux
[10:34] <_MMA_> Ill do that.
[10:34] <Burgwork> they do KDE, so they can help you with the meta packages
[10:34] <_MMA_> Im using Gnome.
[10:34] <Burgwork> for the gnome specific bits, you need to look into edubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-artwork
[10:35] <_MMA_> They sent me elsewhere. :) Im kinda chasing my tail.
[10:35] <Burgwork> what do you need?
[10:35] <Burgwork> changed artwrok?
[10:36] <Burgwork> applications installed by default?
[10:36] <Burgwork> the latter icthux can help you with
[10:36] <Burgwork> the former, you need to look at edubuntu and ubuntu-artwork (the actual package)
[10:37] <_MMA_> to change art and how the default environment looks.
[10:37] <Burgwork> what parts?
[10:37] <Burgwork> panel? menu?
[10:37] <_MMA_> ie: Ubuntu-Gnome has 2 panels by default. We want 1.
[10:37] <Burgwork> right
[10:37] <Burgwork> that is slightly harder
[10:38] <Burgwork> I don't know why you want to change that much
[10:38] <_MMA_> I just kinda need to know what package installs the defaults.xml file, I can edit that.
[10:39] <Burgwork> for the panel? gnome-panel
[10:39] <Burgwork> but then you run into the issue that ubuntu-studio should be in tree, not some custom hack
[10:39] <_MMA_> ?
[10:39] <Burgwork> if you change the gnome-panel package, you have issues
[10:40] <Burgwork> it means you cannot insatll ubuntu and ubuntu-studio alongside
[10:40] <Burgwork> do you guys have an irc channel?
[10:40] <_MMA_> #ubuntustudio Freenode.
[10:40] <Burgwork> lets  move there
[10:46] <LaserJock> _MMA_: I'm an Ichthux person
[10:50] <mhz> hey ya'all
[11:22] <schoolinux> Hi,Is edgy coming this week?
[11:23] <Burgwork> yes
[11:24] <schoolinux> when exactly? i think it was set to 26th oct. means tomorrow, right?
[11:27] <Burgwork> tomorrow in your timezone, maybe
[11:28] <schoolinux> Bugwork where can i find something about features in edubuntu 6.10?
[11:45] <edgarin> Hi to all
[11:45] <edgarin> I have a problem with a Edubuntu
[11:45] <edgarin> the computer dont boot
[11:45] <edgarin> and the grub shows a error 24
[11:46] <edgarin> what is this?
[11:50] <BonBonTheJon> edgarin: has this computer worked before


[12:07] <MitchM> lol
[01:21] <tomveens> hello
[02:15] <sid> Hello tomveens
[04:29] <milosevic> same problem
[04:29] <milosevic> :P
[04:40] <tomveens> What's on the menu this week for the marketing team?
[04:43] <milosevic> I sill want to help translating the newsweekly to Spanish...
[04:43] <milosevic> and I can't connect to gobby
[04:43] <milosevic> :P
[04:48] <tomveens> I do not know what gobby is
[04:48] <poningru> wtf
[04:48] <poningru> it is??
[04:48] <poningru> hold on
[04:50] <poningru> hmm yeah there seems to be something wrong
[04:52] <poningru> try again
[04:52] <poningru> milosevic: ping
[04:53] <milosevic> ok
[04:53] <milosevic> at last!
[04:53] <milosevic> :D
[04:54] <poningru> sorry please do ping me when stuff like that happens
[04:54] <milosevic> I will, thank you :D
[04:55] <milosevic> no one is connected?
[05:00] <milosevic> poningru, I have a question about the translation
[05:00] <poningru> sure
[05:00] <milosevic> I need to create a new document correct?
[05:00] <poningru> yep
[05:00] <milosevic> with this format UWN 16 - ES or UWN 16 SP?
[05:01] <poningru> upto you
[05:01] <poningru> but yeah
[05:01] <milosevic> ok
[05:02] <milosevic> any commands? html? php? just plain text?
[05:02] <poningru> we like to keep it plain text
[05:03] <milosevic> thank you
[05:03] <poningru> np
[05:20] <milosevic> poningru, when you say: Universe Version Freeze
[05:21] <poningru> yeah?
[05:21] <milosevic> is that literal?
[05:21] <milosevic> I mean the Freeze?
[05:21] <milosevic> or is the name: "Universe Version Freeze"
[05:22] <milosevic> to know if I need translate it or not
[05:22] <poningru> hmm
[05:23] <poningru> ask dholbach
[05:23] <poningru> he should be in #ubuntu-devel
[05:24] <milosevic> will do
[05:24] <poningru> or not
[05:24] <poningru> he is not in there
[05:24] <poningru> ooh you can ask mdke_ as well
[05:24] <poningru> mdke_: ping ^^^
[05:41] <milosevic> poningru, the last question, why when I want to save it, it wants to be saved in my box? is that ok?
[05:41] <poningru> thats fine
[05:42] <poningru> it will be saved on the server automatically
[05:42] <poningru> I have it saving every 10 mins iirc
[05:43] <milosevic> ok, thank you
[05:44] <milosevic> no se necesita habilidad, nada mas saber leer
[05:44] <milosevic> wrong window
[05:44] <milosevic> :P
[05:46] <milosevic> when is the newsweekly released? which day?
[05:46] <milosevic> jaja forget it
[05:47] <milosevic> I just saw when
[06:03] <milosevic> see you tomorrow :D, i'm going to sleep now
[06:51] <Plug> so
[06:51] <Plug> in excellent news
[06:51] <Plug> there's PPTP support for NetworkManager now in universe for edgy
[06:51] <Plug> I'd love to write about it in UWN
[06:51] <BHSPitLappy> pptp?
[06:52] <Plug> point to point tunnelling protocol
[06:52] <Plug> very common mostly-Microsoft VPN technology
[10:46] <BHSPitMonkey> rejoice!
[03:21] <jenda> MenZa: HuzzaH
[03:21] <jenda> papa's got a brand new bag
[03:22] <MenZa> neat
[03:22] <elkbuntu> o.O
[03:23] <MenZa> elkbuntu: hey Melissa :)
[03:23] <elkbuntu> hihi
[03:24] <MenZa> elkbuntu: just read about the trip you're going on
[03:24] <MenZa> Congrats :)
[03:24] <elkbuntu> MenZa, :)
[03:24] <elkbuntu> i hadnt gloated to you? shame on me :
[03:24] <MenZa> :D
[03:25] <MenZa> elkbuntu: you still need an about page though ;O
[03:25] <MenZa> And no, a Wiki article won't do
[03:25] <jenda> MenZa: Thanks a bunch. Reminds me I promised to send a few of mine. Will do.
[03:25] <MenZa> jenda: Oh, they got there.
[03:25] <MenZa> neat.
[03:25] <MenZa> In good shape?
[03:26] <jenda> Decent :)
[03:26] <MenZa> \o/
[03:26] <MenZa> And quality?
[03:27] <MenZa> Stop putting stickers everywhere!
[03:27] <MenZa> :D
[03:30] <MenZa> Oooh, I digg Joey Stanford
[03:30] <MenZa> OpenOffice.org + Ubuntu + Esperanto = 1337
[03:40] <jenda> MenZa: I gotta run back to school :)
[03:40] <jenda> 4 hours off - I had time to have lunch and attend a court hearing, but now back to teh grind.
[03:40] <elkbuntu> crap. i think the wiki is down
[03:41] <jenda> MenZa: quality looks good, but I'll report depending on what end-users say.
[03:43] <MenZa> jenda: rgr
[04:40] <MitchM> ping menza?
[04:40] <MenZa> yep?
[04:41] <MenZa> Enjoying the stickers?
[04:41] <MitchM> Digg Joey Stanford?
[04:41] <MenZa> Mmmhuh?
[04:41] <MitchM> where'd you see that?
[04:41] <MenZa> nono
[04:42] <MenZa> as in dig
[04:42] <MenZa> the internets corrupted my circuits.
[04:42] <MitchM> lol.
[04:42] <MitchM> I'll be meeting Joey later this month
[04:42] <MitchM> he's the head guy of our loco here in Colorado
[04:42] <MenZa> :O
[04:43] <MitchM> lol
[04:43] <MitchM> elkbuntu still around?
[04:43] <MenZa> Umm
[04:43] <MenZa> It's a bit late over ther
[04:43] <MenZa> there*
[04:43] <MitchM> So where did you find this info on Joey Stanford?
[04:43] <MenZa> but possibly
[04:43] <MitchM> aye -- i never catch her at the right time.
[04:43] <MenZa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeyStanford
[04:43] <MitchM> =) gracias
[04:43] <MenZa> bitte :)
[04:44] <elkbuntu> MitchM, awake for a v.few more minutes
[04:45] <MitchM> hey hey -- you lookat the awstats?
[04:45] <MitchM> i think i got it all setup for ya
[04:47] <elkbuntu> hmm?
[04:47] <elkbuntu> what url?
[04:49] <elkbuntu> MitchM?
[04:59] <elkbuntu> anyway. bed. as i said. v.few mins
[05:11] <jenda> MitchM: you in Colorado? Cool.
[05:12] <jenda> Joey used to be active in the MT, wanted to work on the Ubuntu Magazine.
[05:12] <jenda> I might try to bring him back to help me with spreadubuntu and the UWN, if needed.
[05:13] <jenda> (back from school... the presentation was rather short :)
[06:05] <jenda> Muhehe... first days of school exciting.
[06:05] <jenda> We were recommended a textbook today on Roman Law written by my great-grandfather
[06:07] <MenZa> lol
[06:07] <MenZa> nice
[06:16] <jenda> MenZa: The stickers are great, Thanks again.
[06:16] <jenda> ya think you could email the source files?
[06:17] <jenda> Just to offer to the public, as is my rule :)
[06:27] <MitchM> yup.
[06:28] <MitchM> Joey seems like a pretty cool guy.
[06:28] <MitchM> we're having the edgy release party on the 27th. Should be fun =)
[06:29] <MitchM> elkbuntu: I dont think the hits are right. Seems way too low; I will do some checking and see what I cant find. =)
[06:39] <MitchM> got it fixed elkbuntu --  Should be working right from now on =)
[06:47] <jenda> MenZa: could you please send me your address? I'm so lost in all this data :)
[06:51] <jenda> I gotta go.
[07:20] <MenZa> jenda: rgr
[09:02] <Discriminant> hi there
[09:43] <MenZa> Hey Klaidas.
[09:43] <MenZa> @ Discriminant
[09:50] <Discriminant> hi menza :)
[09:51] <Plug> so: I want to write about a feature app for UWN.  Should I just go ahead and do this on the wiki?


[11:02] <jasondotstar> #mongodb
[21:13] <jose> marcoceppi: did you run that videocast with byobu-classroom?
[21:16] <jose> or what did you use? seems like a *pretty* useful application
[21:17] <jose> oh, damn, just got to the end of the video
[23:53] <ValDuare> hows it going