[18:08] <falstaff> is there a problem with x and keyboard/mouse locks in latest daily build (20081022)?
[18:08] <Dreaman> video driver 96 nvidia mx440 work in realise candidate ?
[18:09] <bsnider> Dreaman, no it does not
[18:09] <Dreaman> ok
[18:09] <joaopinto> ethana2, a bug has been already reported about a problem after upgrading, the new kernel was not installed
[18:09] <joaopinto> check your uname -a
[18:10] <joaopinto> i mean it could be related, if you mean, they dont work at all :P
[18:10] <joaopinto> not random locking
[18:11] <knittl> hello. is there any workaround for the »gnome-sessions are broken« problem?
[18:11] <ethana2> joaopinto: i don't think you meant to say that at me
[18:11] <falstaff> So, no x locks for you lately?
[18:12] <joaopinto> erm, it was for falstaff
[18:12] <joaopinto> :P
[18:12] <joaopinto> sorry
[18:13] <falstaff> joaopinto, i did a fresh install from latest daily
[18:13] <falstaff> joaopinto, so its not related to this upgrade bug...
[18:13] <piquadrat> Hi! Since two or three days, the kernel begins throwing exceptions (example: http://dpaste.com/86376/) at a staggering pace, filling my /var-partition with logs. At the same time, both dd and klogd run at 100% load. Is this a known bug?
[18:13] <joaopinto> ok
[18:14] <falstaff> i just cant time anything... GDM shows me the login screen, but i cant do anything, with keyboard and mouse
[18:14] <falstaff> s/time/type
[18:15] <joaopinto> falstaff, can you CTRL-ALT-F1 ?
[18:15] <falstaff> joaopinto, yes console works, and keyboard works there too
[18:15] <joaopinto> hum, it stills seems to be related to the kernel modules not beeing propely loaded
[18:16] <falstaff> joaopinto, hmm
[18:16] <joaopinto> can you check the kernel version with uname -a ?
[18:16] <falstaff> joaopinto, i have to say that i had to start ubuntu with no-acpi, i use the newest hp laptop (EliteBook 8530w) which seems to have an acpi bug
[18:17] <falstaff> joaopinto, im under windows atm, could not configure wlan in console...
[18:17] <joaopinto> I am just hinting to the kernel, because since yesterday we had 2 cases of kbd and mouse not responding on X, both were related to the wrong kernel
[18:18] <joaopinto> on my case it was also  a fresh install, but not formatting the existing / partition
[18:18] <falstaff> joaopinto, hm okey... so there was a new kernel release lately
[18:18] <falstaff> ?
[18:19] <joaopinto> falstaff, not, but on this cases, the hardy kernel from the previous install was kept, and the new kernel was not installed
[18:19] <joaopinto> I mean, new as in, for Intrepid
[18:19] <falstaff> joaopinto, its a new laptop, i unpacked it today... so there was never an hardy nor an old ibex installation on it...
[18:20] <joaopinto> ok, so it must be a different problem :\
[18:20] <falstaff> i think so too yes... what do you think, can it be a problem that i used no-acpi?
[18:21] <falstaff> is there any obviously connection between acpi <-> keyboard/mouse <-> x?
[18:22] <joaopinto> no idea, give a look into /var/log/messages , it may provide you a hint
[18:23] <falstaff> joaopinto, hm i gona try this... whats messages? I looked inside Xorg.0.log, but nothing interessting there....
[18:23] <falstaff> joaopinto, who generates this messages?
[18:23] <joaopinto> error related to modules loading
[18:23] <joaopinto> falstaff, the kernel
[18:23] <falstaff> joaopinto, ah ok
[18:24] <falstaff> joaopinto, something which is strange in x is: The only keycombination which works is Alt+F4.... this closes the x server
[18:24] <falstaff> joaopinto, i think this combination is somehow registred on terminal level, but the x server cant catch any keyboard input..
[18:25] <joaopinto> I had the same symptom with the missing kernel modules
[18:25] <falstaff> hm okey, seems really to be a problem of kernel modules loading...
[18:25] <joaopinto> and I couldn't config network either, since the network modules were not loaded
[18:26] <falstaff> which modules where involved?
[18:26] <[diablo]> yo
[18:26] <[diablo]> good evening
[18:26] <nikolam> Ok, this Thunar on 8.10 amd64 works like dead rabbit. until you kill gam_server..
[18:27] <joaopinto> I have no idea, you can run a : sudo depmod -a
[18:27] <joaopinto> if you have an modules related problem, it will most likely be reported during depmod
[18:27] <falstaff> joaopinto, ok thanks
[18:28] <zeco> hi guys, any word when the ibex RC is to be released? Roadmap says it's due today
[18:28] <falstaff> joaopinto, i gona try...
[18:30] <delight> zeco: the day isn't over yet ;)
[18:30] <knittl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-session can't be true xD see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/249373
[18:31] <knittl> it doesn't save anything
[18:31] <knittl> anybody experiencing similar problems?
[18:31] <nikolam> To me it seems that 8.10 does not include bugfixes from 8.04..
[18:32] <ethana2> nikolam: uhh...  i'm pretty sure fixes go upstream
[18:32] <ethana2> which we then re-pull
[18:32] <ethana2> ...new bugs and all
[18:33] <nikolam> hmm i am pretty shure i found 3-4 bugs in 8.10 i reported for 7.04.. i think..
[18:34] <joaopinto> nikolam, care to list them :) ?
[18:34] <ethana2> well so did i, but were they fixed in 7.04?
[18:34] <nikolam> oh, is this my favourite guy that mantains getdeb.net
[18:34] <nikolam> i am your biggest fan :)
[18:35] <ethana2> wait, what?
[18:35] <joaopinto> hi nikolam ;)
[18:35] <nikolam> On, just a sec
[18:35] <ethana2> oh, wow!
[18:35] <nikolam> :)))
[18:35] <ethana2> getdeb.net is amazing.
[18:35] <joaopinto> tks ethana2 :)
[18:36] <ethana2> ..i'd like community managed quick-response apt repositories..
[18:36] <nikolam> joaopinto, Take a look at our Loco: www.ubuntu-rs.org , www.ubuntu-rs.org/wiki , /forum etc :)
[18:36] <ethana2> i have to add apt from all these different projects out there 'cause backports takes a while...
[18:37] <zoran> nikolam: ok i will look :)
[18:37] <joaopinto> there are still problems on using apt for several updates per day, we are experiencing some of them with playdeb
[18:37] <joaopinto> brb
[18:38] <nikolam> yes, i noticed playdeb..
[18:38]  * DanaG wonders when nvidia will fix the damn 96 drivers...... dare I guess, never?
[18:38] <bsnider> never
[18:38] <bsnider> not ever
[18:39] <DanaG> Mmmyeah, nvidia is officially on my "shitlist", as I call it -- list of companies not to buy stuff from.
[18:39] <DanaG> Creative is the other.
[18:39] <nikolam> DanaG, like Ati was before, huh? ;)
[18:39] <DanaG> Actually, I never had ATI on such a list.
[18:40] <knittl> is there a way to fix gnome session saving? *bump* *bump*
[18:40] <DanaG> The last time I had ATI (with my 9800 Pro), was like 4 or 5 years ago.
[18:40] <zoran> knittl: im looking for that too,
[18:40] <DanaG> I wasn't Linux-savvy then.
[18:40] <knittl> zoran: great, now we are two :D
[18:43] <knittl> zoran: have you found anything good yet?
[18:43] <zoran> no, i m using kde :)
[18:43] <knittl> aww, bad (for me)
[18:43] <zoran> gnome not have that...
[18:43] <zoran> and that is ... pippp
[18:44] <knittl> well, it used to have it
[18:44] <knittl> it was still there in hardy
[18:44] <bsnider> DanaG, nvidia makes the best linux graphics driver for modern hardware
[18:46] <jemark> is intrepid RC out?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> yep jemark
[18:46] <BUGabundo> its out every single day
[18:46] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[18:46] <joaopinto> lol
[18:46] <zoran> RC, not testing?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> its the same
[18:47] <BUGabundo>  !rc
[18:47] <jemark> BUGabundo: serieusly?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> hooo some one needs to update that one
[18:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:47] <bsnider> BUGabundo, thank you for making that point. i'm trying ont he "brainstorm" site to get them to drop these useless "alpha/beta" releases for just this reason
[18:47] <jemark> gutsy?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> why wouldn't it be jemark?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> NOOOOOOOOO bsnider
[18:47] <BUGabundo> I love to have dailies
[18:47] <jemark> BUGabundo: how is the current intrepid?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> that I can rsync and test fixs
[18:48] <BUGabundo> quite nice
[18:48] <BUGabundo> a few bugs, but for the most part
[18:48] <BUGabundo> much better then previous releases
[18:48] <BUGabundo> hi dholbert
[18:48] <LARefugee> howdy. Anyone have their bluetooth headset working with intrepid?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> you are visiting us from Mozilla? how nice
[18:49] <jemark> BUGabundo: how do I update again with the update manager?
[18:49] <td123> jemark: testing it yourself will give you a better answer for your specific computer :P
[18:49] <BUGabundo> LARefugee: the new BT stack doesn't support audio
[18:49] <jemark> BUGabundo: from Hardy?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> for the time beeing
[18:49] <td123> jemark: you have to add intrepid repos
[18:49] <BUGabundo> jemark: update-manager does the job. for upgrade from hardy you type "update-manager -d"
[18:49] <jemark> td123: no, not really a good idea... from the update manager...
[18:49] <BUGabundo> please read the release notes
[18:49] <BUGabundo>  !releasenotes
[18:49] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: why not?
[18:50] <jemark> BUGabundo: now I remember, thanks
[18:50] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: got a link that talks about this?
[18:50] <BUGabundo> LARefugee: let me get the email on devel discuss for that, ok ?
[18:51] <nikolam> joaopinto, Here is a list of long-time unresolved bugs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61620/
[18:51] <BUGabundo> LARefugee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026637.html
[18:51] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: thx!
[18:51] <jemark> BUGabundo: I'm updatin now
[18:52] <BUGabundo> please read the release notes from the ubuntu website jemark
[18:52] <joaopinto> nikolam, you mentioned, fixed on earlier versions...
[18:52] <joaopinto> unresolved bugs are a different story :P
[18:52] <nikolam> joaopinto, hmm you are right, i`ll see to it
[18:52] <td123> jemark: are you using kde or gnome for intrepid?
[18:52] <nikolam> ;,
[18:54] <nikolam> joaopinto, oh yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunar/+bug/163587 does Not happen in 8.04.. .. i think.
[18:54] <Nakkel> Any ideas as to why programs forget their settings on Kubuntu/KDE4? Some wont hold settings at all, some after restarting the program and some forget after reboot.
[18:54] <BUGabundo> humm Nakkel that has been happening to me with Kmail
[18:55] <BUGabundo> although I use gnome
[18:55] <jemark> BUGabundo: it says now: Can't install 'ubuntu-desktop'
[18:55] <jemark> It was impossible to install a required package. Please report this as a bug
[18:55] <joaopinto> nikolam, that bug was not reported to be fixed
[18:55] <zeco> I guess you're gonna change the motd as soon as the RC is released, right? Don't wanna bug the release-page unnecessarily
[18:55] <joaopinto> nikolam, just because it was not experienced on your 8.04 config, it does not mean it was fixed ;)
[18:56] <BUGabundo> jemark: do you have any other apt running ?
[18:57] <Nakkel> BUGabundo: I have it on multiple programs. All Kontact apps (KMail, Akregtor etc.) Konqueror, System Settings (themes, colours, icons etc).... Really frustrating when I have to "rebuild" all settings on every systemstart.
[18:57] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: that link says only positive things about 4.x stack and headsets.
[18:57] <BUGabundo> I started using a bzr repo on my laptop to save my setting to prevent that from happening Nakkel
[18:57] <BUGabundo> yep..
[18:57] <BUGabundo> and it also mentions no alsa
[18:57] <jemark> BUGabundo: nope
[18:58] <BUGabundo> ok.. go look on LP, then jemark
[18:58] <BUGabundo> maybe it's a recent bug
[18:58] <BUGabundo> you are the 1st I see having it
[18:58] <BUGabundo>  !lp
[18:58] <BUGabundo> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[18:59] <jemark> BUGabundo: ok then.. do you have a link ;)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[18:59] <LARefugee> BUGabundo: it's funny that an aplay -Dplug:headset does produce a hissing sound in my headset but then it just hangs and eventually times out with an "unable to install hw params" message.
[18:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:59] <jemark> BUGabundo: umm... maybe bc i have some ppa repositories?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> nag the guy behing the new stacj
[18:59] <BUGabundo> *stack
[19:00] <BUGabundo> it can be jemark
[19:00] <BUGabundo> and other 3rd party apps.
[19:00] <BUGabundo> do a apt-get autoremove too
[19:00] <BUGabundo> and then comment those PPAs
[19:01] <jemark> BUGabundo: :( how am i going to update now?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> that should work
[19:02] <BUGabundo> I don't see anyone here having that prob
[19:02] <BUGabundo> maybe is a prob on your install
[19:02] <BUGabundo> even if so, file a bug, so the ppl in charge of the package can fix it
[19:05] <jemark> BUGabundo: autoremove doesn't remove anything :(
[19:06] <jemark> helo there!
[19:07] <BUGabundo> hi jemark eheh
[19:07] <ethana2> wait, daily .iso's have torrents?
[19:07] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:08] <jemark> hehehe! this is not mark
[19:08] <ethana2> oh.
[19:08] <BUGabundo> but its kinda stupid
[19:08] <jemark> this is his wife
[19:08] <zeco> where?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> I don't there will be many seeds
[19:08] <aatk> ;)
[19:08] <aatk> Sorry
[19:08] <ethana2> that changes EVERYTHING
[19:08] <jemark> mark is busy fixing my laptop
[19:08] <aatk> Right
[19:08] <BUGabundo> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ is 404 here
[19:08] <aatk> Time to learn perl
[19:09] <ethana2> wait, i don't see the torrents..
[19:09] <jemark> BUGabundo: where u from, by d way.
[19:09] <BUGabundo> PT
[19:10] <jemark> BUGabundo: u mean portugal?
[19:10] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:10] <BUGabundo> does http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ open for you guys?
[19:10] <ethana2> yep
[19:10] <jemark> BUGabundo: wow! portugal is a nice place!!!
[19:11] <BUGabundo> how come?
[19:11] <melkart> BUGabundo: yes
[19:11] <BUGabundo> darn... my univ is blocking the port then
[19:11] <ethana2> oh that sucks
[19:12] <ethana2> encrypt?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> can't even open the page lol
[19:12] <BUGabundo> I already have most of the isos
[19:12] <jemark> BUGabundo: sorry guys, got to leave this room coz im not good with electronics. i have nothing to ask and share with u.
[19:13] <BUGabundo> I use rsync from main to get them updated
[19:13] <BUGabundo> jemark: but you can always learn
[19:13] <BUGabundo> about how wonderfull FOSS is
[19:13] <jemark> BUGabundo: well, i wil just leave this kind of stuff to my husband.
[19:14] <jemark> BUGabundo: i have different expertise.
[19:15] <BUGabundo> humm a girl around
[19:15] <BUGabundo> there goes the abuse start... lol
[19:19] <jemark> BUGabundo: my husband mark is done fixing my PC. im doing something with open office. i opened d microsoft. he did something inorder for me to have access wid my documents saved in ubuntu while using microsoft.
[19:19] <BUGabundo> hum
[19:20] <jemark> BUGabundo: my husband is back in this room again
[19:20] <BUGabundo> just need to install OOo on Windows too
[19:20] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:20] <jemark> BUGabundo: that's what he did. its fine now
[19:20] <BUGabundo> or save your docs with a proprietary format like .doc or .xls and Microsoft Office suite should open them
[19:20] <faileas> jemark: or save everything as doc or xls
[19:21] <Wutz> "https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html" is this the final version of RC? or is it still a pre RC testing iso?
[19:21] <ethana2> testing
[19:21] <BUGabundo> Wutz: will have dailies until release
[19:21] <BUGabundo> no RC as a single ISO
[19:21] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[19:21] <faileas> BUGabundo: beat me to it ;p
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ejej
[19:22] <BUGabundo> typing as fast as I can
[19:22]  * ethana2 is paranoid about QA
[19:22] <Wutz> Oh ok, so its just a daily build for the soon to be RC
[19:22] <BUGabundo> in a few minutes I'll go eat so you have the board, commander
[19:22] <faileas> ;p
[19:22] <jemark> BUGabundo: thats true but i wud prefer to use open office. im just openning microsoft now becaus mark have not yet updated my ulbuntu linux in my laptop. he is always busy updating his own laptop. the one im using at the moment.
[19:22] <BUGabundo> no Wutz
[19:22] <cwillu> openoffice seems to have lost ui font hinting recently, anyone else noticed this?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> no RC
[19:22] <BUGabundo> every build IS a RC
[19:22] <BUGabundo> nope cwillu
[19:22] <ethana2> heh
[19:23] <ethana2> ...but not the one with a gigantic swarm where I can get my ratio up to 10
[19:23] <Wutz> Hmm ok, will one of the RC builds be shown on Ubuntu.com/testing, thats what i originally meant
[19:23] <BUGabundo> jemark: just open update-manager
[19:23] <DanaG> argh, nv_bios doesn't fix suspend for me.
[19:23] <BUGabundo> it will do it for you
[19:23] <BUGabundo> you don't need anybody else
[19:24] <BUGabundo> as long as you have admin priv
[19:24] <BUGabundo> Wutz: daily builds show up on testing too
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.146937] Attempting to locate BIOS image in PROM
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.419587] ... BIOS signature not found
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.419665] Attempting to locate BIOS image in PRAMIN
[19:24] <DanaG> [   31.475207] ... BIOS checksum invalid
[19:24] <mindstab_> ich habe gerade auf 8.10 geupgradet und bei der proprietären hardware kann ich einen atheros treiber auswählen, aber da steht schon es ist ein anderer in benutzung, wie schaff ich es den aktivieren zu können?
[19:24] <jemark> BUGabundo: the problem is... when it comes to electronics i always want my husband to do it for me.
[19:24] <mindstab_> oh sry
[19:24] <BUGabundo> lazu girl...
[19:25] <BUGabundo> hope you make up in bed...
[19:25] <mindstab_> i thought its a german channel
[19:25] <frank___> lol
[19:25]  * BUGabundo thinks lucky guy
[19:25] <knittl> mindstab_: nein, ist englisch xD
[19:25] <td123> BUGabundo: this is why girls don't come to this channel if they had the chance...
[19:25] <mindstab_> knittl, maybe u can help me anyway
[19:25] <jemark> BUGabundo: yes, i admit. im lazy when it comes PCs. but when other things im not ;-)
[19:26] <Wutz> One last question, did they change the theme at all since hardy?
[19:26] <knittl> i'm afraid i can't. i don't have much experience with that
[19:26] <td123> and jemark displayed classic signs of agreeing with ppl to shut them up :D
[19:26] <faileas> td123: donno, my ex was the one who got me into linux ;p
[19:26] <frank___> faileas: and you dumped her?! *G*
[19:26] <faileas> frank___: she switched to mac ;p (actually she dumped me)
[19:26] <ethana2> HAHA
[19:26] <BUGabundo> several times Wutz
[19:27] <faileas> then switched to mac, and decided she wanted a sex change...
[19:27] <frank___> faileas: ok - 2 good reasons not to be with her anymore ;p
[19:27] <BUGabundo> the entrire GTK engine changed a lot
[19:27] <Wutz> Oh, does it look better now?
[19:27] <td123> faileas: I'm sorry, I thought that the Linux girl dumped you, you didn't read the man pages on woman?
[19:27] <ethana2> why sex change, she's /already/ a girl
[19:27] <frank___> lol
[19:27] <faileas> ethana2: she wanted to be a guy ;p
[19:27]  * DanaG thinks it would be fun to have Ranma's curse.
[19:27] <td123> faileas: oh, so she liked girls :D
[19:27] <frank___> faileas: after being with you... would concern me a bit ;p
[19:27] <BUGabundo> ok guys
[19:27] <ethana2> it's funny, my mom is biased against mac users
[19:28] <BUGabundo> I shouldn't have started this
[19:28] <Novell> anyone got NFSv4 and krb5 working ? I'm getting "mount.nfs4: Operation not permitted" when trying to mount with -o sec=krb5
[19:28] <faileas> td123: wierdly no. she wanted to have a ... yanno
[19:28] <ethana2> i explained that its a decent OS, but she says most mac users she's seen are odd
[19:28] <BUGabundo> now, now girls WILL EVER come here again
[19:28] <BUGabundo> calm down guys
[19:28] <td123> faileas: a what?
[19:28] <faileas> weewee? ;p
[19:28] <ethana2> wait, you're serious?
[19:28] <ethana2> *headdesk*
[19:29] <td123> faileas: I don't understand your figurative language... what is a weewee? in the context you used it of course :P
[19:29] <faileas> ethana2: story of my life ;p
[19:29] <ethana2> that's horrible
[19:29] <faileas> td123: what a guy has and a girl dosen't
[19:29] <mindstab_> i just upgraded to 8.10 and i see an atheros driver in the hardware drivers list but i cant activate it because there is some other driver loaded how i can load the driver in the list?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> guys and girl(s) time for dinner before classes
[19:29] <BUGabundo> see you in a bit!
[19:29] <jemark> BUGabundo: bye guys... i have to do my own things as well. enjoy! ;-)
[19:29] <faileas> ethana2: she was kinda cute too. french girls seem to be trouble though ;p
[19:29] <BUGabundo> good bye nice girl jemark
[19:29] <ethana2> well, you know what they say
[19:29] <ethana2> Think Different
[19:30] <td123> faileas: ... lol I read that sentence differently that's why I was confused? I thought you meant 3ppl or something
[19:30] <jemark> thank u guys!
[19:30] <frank___> girls and irc harmonize as bad as girls+beer. the ones drinking it are in almost all cases as drunk as everyone else together. you just want to ignore and leave them ;p
[19:30] <faileas> frank___: depends on the place ;p
[19:31] <td123> faileas: where did you meet this french girl?
[19:32] <mysticdarkhack> hey all
[19:32] <faileas> td123: wierdly enough...
[19:33] <faileas> IRC
[19:33] <faileas> twas one of those long simmering long distance relationships that went... kaboom ;p
[19:34] <mysticdarkhack> Anyone here know a way when I install intrepid and after install, booting up but end up in with a black screen on login screen.
[19:34] <mysticdarkhack> anyway to login in and enable the video drivver
[19:35] <mysticdarkhack> I have ati
[19:35] <mindstab_> blub
[19:35] <mysticdarkhack> anyone?
[19:35] <td123> faileas: what do you mean irc?
[19:35] <td123> faileas: you never met her?
[19:36] <faileas> td123: naw, i met her in person later on
[19:36] <faileas> but we first started talking on IRC ;p
[19:36] <td123> faileas: wow, to tell you the truth, I only like to meet in person :/
[19:37] <faileas> td123: well that happens eventually ;p
[19:38] <td123> so what is 9.04 going to include? since there are no (break through) features in this one :D
[19:38] <mysticdarkhack> anyway, seem like intrepid release candidate hasn't release yet
[19:38] <td123> mysticdarkhack: yes it has
[19:38] <td123> read the irc title
[19:40] <kane77> hi, I installed intrepid beta (from the cd available from ubuntu.com) and networking worked, but there was large number of updates and one of those updates borked NetworkManager, because now the icon don't show up in system tray. If I kill the process and start it again it does show, but if I open the connections window (Edit connections) there is connection ifupdown (eth0) for wired connection and I can't delete it..
[19:41] <mysticdarkhack> td123, really, I don't see it
[19:41] <mysticdarkhack> td123, where is it?
[19:41] <theBishop> they should've pushed for Firefox 3.1 before going to RC
[19:41] <theBishop> in my opinioin
[19:41] <kane77> and the whole networkmanager does not work so I have to kill it and run my config script (using plain ifconfig)
[19:41] <Turl> hi!
[19:42] <td123> mysticdarkhack: I quote the irc title: "Release Candidate images ready for testing - please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html"
[19:42] <Turl> I don't know why, but ubuntu doesn't load the "floppy" kernel module by default
[19:42] <mroc> hello.  back in hardy, i applied the "ugly fix" to the load/unload cycles hard drive problem and that worked well.  today, i just noticed that it seems to have reappeared.  i read a post that this had supposedly been "fixed" for intrepid.  has it already been applied, and thus "fixed"?  if i still need the ugly-fix, are there still 4 locations to copy the hdparm script to (and are they the same as posted http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805570 )?
[19:42] <Turl> it should load it though - and loading it manually makes my floppy drive start working
[19:42] <td123> Turl: thank god they finally stopped loading that :D none of my machines use it
[19:43] <Turl> td123, most machines here have those drives
[19:43] <td123> Turl: and I have machines from 1998
[19:43] <Turl> I think it's a must to load that, it's like not loading IDE controllers 'cause sata exists
[19:44] <td123> Turl: I just removed my floppy drives, took up power and I have everything on usb / cds
[19:46] <td123> Turl: that analogy is flawed, floppy drives are pretty much legacy now (nothing new uses it) yet ide drives are still being produced.. + they are hard drives so they need to support those for the long run...
[19:47] <td123> Turl: if ide gets phased out, then ide will most likely be not included by default
[19:48] <Turl> erm, no floppy = no USB boot, get it? :p you can't write boot disks, grub disks,...
[19:48] <td123> Turl: why not?
[19:49] <Turl> cause it's not available to the system...
[19:49] <td123> Turl: what's not available to the system?
[19:49] <swuboo> Floppy.
[19:49] <Turl> "there's no floppy" to GNOME etc...
[19:50] <mysticdarkhack> anyone know why the I end up in blacksscreen when trying to install intrpid
[19:50] <mroc> any thoughts on my question about the hard drive load/unload cycles?
[19:50] <mysticdarkhack> are they still having video issure or ati problem
[19:50] <td123> Turl: booting from cd doesn't depend on the floppy drive... am I understanding you correctly?
[19:50] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[19:50] <Turl> mysticdarkhack, I heard you need to move your mouse, it's a screen problem possibly
[19:51] <Turl> td123, would you waste a CD for having a bootloader in order to boot from USB if your bios doesn't support it?
[19:52] <Turl> I personally wouldn't
[19:52] <mysticdarkhack> Turl, I did move my mouse but no resualt
[19:52] <td123> Turl: in those cases, burn it to a cd
[19:52] <Turl> mysticdarkhack, does the HDD light blink?
[19:52] <td123> Turl: plus, any bootable cd should do the trick
[19:53] <Turl> td123, I don't have cd burner, that's another problem
[19:53] <faileas> Turl: thats why i have CDRWs ;p
[19:53] <td123> Turl: ummm well then load the floppy module, sheesh
[19:53] <nekostar> ok
[19:53] <mysticdarkhack> Turl, it stop blink when it stop loading the iso
[19:53] <nekostar> yeah
[19:54] <nekostar> this is pretty sick...
[19:54] <nekostar> but the usb formatter tool didnt work
[19:54] <nekostar> when it was trying to install, it was looking for a cdrom...
[19:54] <nekostar> [and i was mounting as usbhdd]
[19:55] <jemark_> when i update via the update manager, do i need to deselect the unsupported updates in hardy? or just leave it selected?
[19:55] <Turl> I think it's the same, haven't tested tho
[19:56] <nekostar> jemark
[19:56] <nekostar> first just get it installed
[19:56] <jemark_> nekostar: yes?
[19:56] <nekostar> then clean up the repos
[19:56] <jemark_> nekostar:  just leave on the security repo on, that's all?
[19:56] <nekostar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61642/
[19:56] <nekostar> thats what i have
[19:56] <nekostar> feel free to use it
[19:57] <nekostar> i'm more interested in getting that usb key installer tool to work.
[19:57] <mysticdarkhack> nevermind the rc hasn't release yet but only the note
[19:57] <mysticdarkhack> blah
[19:57] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[19:58] <jemark_> ok, i will update via the update manager now
[19:58] <mroc> back in hardy, i applied the "ugly fix" to the load/unload cycles hard drive problem and that worked well.  today, i just noticed that it seems to have reappeared.  i read a post that this had supposedly been "fixed" for intrepid.  has it already been applied, and thus "fixed"?  if i still need the ugly-fix, are there still 4 locations to copy the hdparm script to (and are they the same as posted http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=805570 )?
[19:59] <jemark_> mroc: for me it still worked... i will see after the update...
[20:00] <mroc> jemark_: you're still running hardy though, right?
[20:00] <jemark_> mroc: yep... but i updated to intrepid before... maybe i didn't pay attention it too then :(
[20:01] <jemark_> mroc: yep... there is "fix" for it in intrepid, right?
[20:01] <mroc> jemark_: i may have missed it, but i hadn't noticed it until today.  and if i remember right, it couldn't have been this way for very long based on the total cycle count.
[20:02] <mroc> jemark_: well, supposedly, yes.  that's kind of what i was asking about since i seem to be seeing the problem again.
[20:02] <mroc> input from anyone else?
[20:03] <jemark_> mroc: i don't like the clicking noise from the hd :(
[20:03] <mroc> jemark_: if it was just the noise, i could live with it.  but since it's a direct effect on the projected lifetime of the drive...it's something that needs to stay fixed.
[20:05] <mroc> jemark_: the so called ugly fix (link is in my question) worked when i just applied it, but i wanted to know if the locations to install the script were still the same, if all 4 locations were needed, and if the fix that was supposed to show up in intrepid had already been applied.
[20:05] <jemark_> mroc: yes, i agree. i shortens the lifetime
[20:06] <jemark_> mroc: i had the fix in the same locations as in hardy
[20:07] <mroc> jemark_: i upgraded from hardy to intrepid around alpha 6 or so.  as far as i know, the fix was still applied properly.  it's just today that i noticed it again.
[20:07] <graft> howdy, where do i find desktop effects configuration?
[20:08] <mroc> graft: you mean beyond the three options in the effects tab of the appearance window?
[20:08] <jemark_> mroc: oh I see... i suggest to look for the fix for intrepid. i think, that i saw a new feature in intrepid "mobile mode"
[20:08] <graft> mroc: no, i mean for fine-tuning compiz
[20:09] <mroc> jemark_: i'll take a look.  you have a link by any chance?
[20:09] <jemark_> im looking for it now :)
[20:10] <mroc> graft: i've always used compizconfig-settings-manager.  might that be what you're looking for?
[20:10] <vaughn> Has anyone had errors with ipw2200 when installing the Intrepid beta?
[20:10] <jemark_> mroc: i think, this is it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/laptop-mode-tools
[20:10] <graft> mroc: yeah, i was just wondering why it wasn't in the gnome system of menus by default
[20:11] <graft> mroc: i mean i can run ccsm from the shell of course...
[20:11] <bsnider> the rc image done yet?
[20:11] <mroc> graft: i'm not sure why it's not default.  installing the compizconfig-settings-manager package should install a menu item.
[20:11] <graft> mroc: oh ah, so it does
[20:12] <Stev> hi, i've just read the last few lines
[20:13] <Stev> is the load cycle problem definitely fixed in intrepid?
[20:13] <mroc> jemark_: it doesn't sound like those tools address the hard drive parking issue.  can anyone else give more details about it?
[20:14] <mroc> Stev: well, it seems to have reappeared for me just in the past day or so.  i'm hoping someone with more knowledge of it could offer more information.
[20:15] <jemark_> what if you do hdparm -B -255 in your terminal?
[20:16] <vmelo> hello, anyone here got no partitions in ubuntu installer (beta)?
[20:16] <mroc> jemark_: as i mentioned, the ugly fix does still work for me.
[20:17] <jemark_> mroc: i also use the ugly fix
[20:17] <mroc> jemark_: i was looking for info on whether the locations to copy the "ugly fix" script were still the same, and whether the fix that had been expected in intrepid has already been applied (and thus not worked for my drive).
[20:18] <Stev> mroc, the bug is marked as "fix released" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[20:18] <Stev> maybe you should post a comment?
[20:18] <vmelo> I guess this is a bug (no partitions in ubuntu installer)
[20:19] <vmelo> does anyone know about it?
[20:19] <mindstab_> blub
[20:19] <mindstab_> i just upgraded to 8.10 and i see an atheros driver in the hardware drivers list but i cant activate it because there is some other driver loaded how i can load the driver in the list?
[20:21] <danage1> mindstab_: what atheros do you have
[20:21] <Stev> mindstab_, uhm have you tried unloading the old driver?
[20:22] <mindstab_> Stev, how can i do this?
[20:23] <Stev> mindstab_,  from terminal: sudo modprobe -r module_actually_loaded
[20:23] <mindstab_> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[20:23] <mindstab_> this is the atheros
[20:23] <mindstab_> chip
[20:23] <jemark_> mroc: this bug is fixed in intrepid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/+bug/250935
[20:24] <danage1> it will be fixed before release
[20:24] <Stev> don't know which module you have.. i would try tiping the first letter of atheros and "TAB-bing" to see possibile completions
[20:24] <mindstab_> but on the msi site there is mentioned i have n - standard
[20:24] <danage1> it's probably ath5k that gets loaded
[20:24] <danage1> blacklist in kernel config
[20:24] <danage1> i doubt you do
[20:24] <danage1> gimme lspci -nv |grep 168c
[20:24] <mindstab_> http://www.msi-computer.de/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=utility&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1529
[20:24] <mindstab_> thats the laptop
[20:24] <danage1> gimme ^^
[20:25] <mindstab_> 05:00.0 0200: 168c:001c (rev 01)
[20:25] <danage1> yeah that's not an n card
[20:25] <danage1> blacklist ath5k in kernel
[20:25] <mindstab_> these liars :)
[20:25] <danage1> and it will work
[20:25] <mroc> Stev: i'll check out the bug report, maybe add a comment.
[20:25] <danage1> i can lookup the bug if you want
[20:26] <Stev> mroc: read the message from jemark_
[20:26] <Stev> uhm.... too late XD
[20:26] <danage1> mindstab_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/+bug/288148
[20:27] <mindstab_> http://www.onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=15811 is the lsmod output
[20:28] <danage1> you know what
[20:28] <danage1> it may be one of the cards that lspci doesnt put out correctly
[20:28] <danage1> i remember there was a problem
[20:28] <graft> how does one switch to using emerald as your decorator?
[20:28] <mindstab_> its a really new laptop
[20:28] <mindstab_> 1 month old
[20:29] <danage1> mindstab_: if you want it to work right now, blacklist ath9k and ath5k
[20:30] <danage1> you have 3 drivers that do the same thing loaded
[20:30] <danage1> it's a bug and will be fixed via ticket above, but if you want it to work right now
[20:30] <danage1> blacklist ath5k and ath9k
[20:30] <danage1> just remember you did because eventually it will switch to ath5k
[20:30] <mindstab_> how can i do that?
[20:30] <mindstab_> im not that experienced :)
[20:30] <danage1> google it
[20:31] <mindstab_> ok
[20:31] <danage1> it's easy
[20:31] <demontager> How to make wirelees conection whith automatik engage without asking password ?
[20:31] <visik7> hi
[20:31] <danage1> mindstab_: note: don't buy msi
[20:32] <mindstab_> :P
[20:32] <Stev> what's msi?
[20:32] <visik7> anyone got issue with gtk-window-decorator and nvidia ? I got glitches on the window bar
[20:32] <mindstab_> ok im rebooting
[20:32] <demontager> When I log in it ask to enter root password
[20:32] <danage1> mindstab_: here is some more information, even though the post should *not* apply to you. simply blacklisting should do. http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/atheros-ar242x-howto/
[20:32] <danage1> Stev: micro star international
[20:34] <danage1> what does "This won't make 8.10 GA due to the late date, I've marked this for the intrepid-updates milestone so we can get it in the first post GA update." mean?
[20:34] <Stev> danage1, didin't knew, do the make low-quality hw?
[20:34] <danage> Stev: in my opinion yes, even though that's off topic
[20:34] <danage> *at least as far as notebooks are concerned
[20:34] <rww> danage: it means that it'll be fixed after intrepid comes out
[20:35] <Stev> danage, sorry for the OT
[20:35] <visik7> anyone with nvidia+compiz ?
[20:35] <danage> rww: and part of which package?
[20:35] <danage> i have linux-backports-intrepid installed
[20:36] <danage> it probably means i have 2 weeks without wifi :(
[20:36] <graft> how come there's no emerald themes package?
[20:36] <rww> danage: it'll be released in the first set of normal updates after GA (general availability --> Intrepid final)
[20:36] <graft> is emerald discouraged or something?
[20:36] <louise_> graft, get some from compiz-look.org
[20:36] <apreichner> I'm having a problem with installing the nvidia restricted driver on 8.10
[20:37] <danage> rww: ok... so should i deinstall the backports drivers?
[20:37] <graft> louise_: i'd prefer to use the package manager if possible
[20:37] <louise_> Is there a way for me to recover .Xauthority?
[20:37] <louise_> graft, that'd be nice
[20:37] <graft> louise_: what do you mean, recover?
[20:37] <danage> graft: theres prolly repos out there
[20:37] <graft> yeah, but they used to have it in the repos - why was it removed?
[20:38] <louise_> graft, I think mine got borked in last updated
[20:38] <rww> danage: do you mean linux-backports-modules-intrepid?
[20:38] <danage> um, yes, sorry
[20:38] <graft> louise_: man xauth
[20:39] <visik7> oh lala
[20:39] <graft> louise_: you can usually just delete yours and restart X
[20:39] <visik7> anyone with glitches on the window bar with compiz and nvidia ?
[20:40] <rww> danage: I think you should be okay, but I don't use backports much, so I'm not sure.
[20:40] <louise_> graft, would it be regenerated during boot?
[20:41] <graft> louise_: you can generate a new one for yourself by doing xauth generate :0 (or whatever your display number is)
[20:42] <graft> louise_: but yes, it'll be generated if there's none there when you reboot
[20:42] <shirish> hi all, is there any command to find obsolete packages, not looking for system-cleaner-gtk
[20:42] <louise_> graft, I will try that when I get home thanx
[20:42] <graft> louise_: try just deleting it and restarting gdm or whatever, should be sufficient
[20:42] <mindstab_> ok i didnt manage to get it to work
[20:43] <apreichner> I'm having trouble installing an nvidia restricted driver on 8.10
[20:43] <danage> mindstab_: lsmod
[20:43] <mindstab_> martin@linux:~$ lsmod | grep ath
[20:43] <mindstab_> ath_pci                99096  0
[20:43] <mindstab_> wlan                  211952  1 ath_pci
[20:43] <mindstab_> ath_hal               198864  1 ath_pci
[20:43] <danage> hmm
[20:43] <danage> iwconfig
[20:43] <visik7> sholdn't rc1 be out today ?
[20:43] <mindstab_> no wireless devices
[20:43] <rww> shirish: sudo apt-get autoremove, or http://www.marzocca.net/linux/gtkorphan.html
[20:43] <rww> visik7: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026766.html
[20:43] <visik7> danage: do the following:
[20:44] <louise_> graft, thanks for the help
[20:44] <danage> mindstab_: strange, madwifi should support your card
[20:44] <shirish> rww: I'm looking for a cli equivalent for the same
[20:44] <mindstab_> :(
[20:44] <apreichner> Can someone help me with an nvidia restricted driver?
[20:44] <danage> mindstab_: here is some more information, even though the post should *not* apply to you. simply blacklisting should do. http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/atheros-ar242x-howto/
[20:44] <shirish> rww: I'm looking for a command which will do the same
[20:44] <danage> but maybe it carries some info for you
[20:45] <visik7> danage: do the following: modprobe -r ath_pci ; modprobe ath_pci ;dmesg
[20:45] <rww> shirish: as I said, sudo apt-get autoremove, though depending on how you installed packages, that command might not be helpful
[20:45] <visik7> danage: and paste the output on some pastebin
[20:45] <danage> visik7: you prolly mean mindstab_
[20:45] <mindstab_> :D
[20:45] <visik7> danage: yes
[20:46] <danage> mindstab_: it might be that the madwifi in your intrepid is too old. it should, as i mentioned, support it
[20:46] <danage> so another thing you could try is installing linux-backports-modules-intrepid
[20:47] <danage> but maybe visik7 knows better
[20:47] <apreichner> is there a way to install the restricted drivers through terminal?
[20:47] <danage> i would try that before using a madwifi snapshot
[20:47] <visik7> danage: could you run that command please ?
[20:47] <danage> visik7: mindstab_
[20:47] <danage> not me
[20:47] <danage> i don't have ath_pci
[20:47] <mindstab_>  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)
[20:47] <visik7> danage: sorry :)
[20:47] <rww> apreichner: sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[20:48] <mindstab_> visik7, im the one :P
[20:48] <apreichner> rww: that will install the nvidia restricted drivers?
[20:48] <danage> mindstab_: do what visik7 says, it's the way to debug this
[20:48] <mindstab_> i did
[20:48] <mindstab_> thats the output
[20:48] <danage> ah ok
[20:49] <danage> then try the package i mentioned, it might include a newer madwifi
[20:49] <apreichner> rww: it says its all updated already.
[20:49] <visik7> mindstab_: is your card a AR5BXB63 ?
[20:49] <mindstab_> visik7, no
[20:49] <rww> apreichner: then theoretically, you have them installed :/
[20:49] <visik7> which ?
[20:50] <apreichner> theoretically i have the nvidia driver installed?
[20:50] <danage> visik7: yes
[20:50] <danage> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1192
[20:50] <danage> 168c:001c
[20:50] <apreichner> rww: i guess ill try enabling compositing
[20:50] <mindstab_> the weirdest thing is that on the msi site the windows drivers are for intel wifi
[20:50] <danage> mindstab_: install the package i mentioned
[20:50] <visik7> oh it's a msi u100 ?
[20:51] <mindstab_> msi gx630
[20:51] <mindstab_> 620
[20:51] <danage> as via link above, madwifi supports your card
[20:51] <mindstab_> sry
[20:51] <rww> apreichner: well, linux-generic's dependency tree includes nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common. there might be a userland package you need for xorg, but you have the kernel drivers
[20:51] <apreichner> well
[20:51] <mindstab_> ; Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection Adapter says the driver inf file
[20:51] <mindstab_> but there are 2 different drivers in the installer
[20:52] <visik7> mindstab_: don't care about inf files
[20:52] <apreichner> rww: it said i needed the 173 driver, so I clicked enable... and the screen flashed for a second and then it said, "Cannot enable desktop effects."
[20:52] <visik7> mindstab_: lspci say the truth
[20:52] <danage> visik7: there is a problem with this card and lspci
[20:52] <visik7> danage: ?
[20:52] <danage> but as i said, madwifi supports it now
[20:52] <visik7> danage: pciid doesn't lie
[20:53] <danage> visik7: i think 2 different types report themselves as ar5006 or something
[20:53] <visik7> nevermind about the database
[20:53] <danage> have different sub-ids
[20:53] <visik7> oh
[20:53] <danage> anyhow
[20:53] <danage> mindstab_: install the package i mentioned
[20:53] <mindstab_> ok
[20:53] <danage> it *should* work
[20:53] <kal> is the rc1 still scheduled for 23rd of October?
[20:54] <rww> apreichner: go to System->Administration->Hardware Drivers and see if 1) there's an option for the nvidia driver, and 2) it's enabled
[20:54] <visik7> seems but no iso are available yet
[20:54] <kal> ok
[20:55] <apreichner> no. none of them are enabled, there are 3 options. When I click to enable it shows a download bar really quick and then it vanishes and it still shows as not enabled
[20:55] <joaopinto> hi
[20:55] <mindstab_> ok i did and next step?
[20:55] <danage> reboot
[20:55] <joaopinto> my microphone is not working, any tips on how to troubleshoot ?
[20:55] <mindstab_> ok :)
[20:56] <apreichner> rww: it shows a red dot next to all of them and it says "Not installed"
[20:56] <danage> or
[20:56] <danage> mindstab_: still there
[20:56] <mindstab_> y
[20:56] <mindstab_> danage, y
[20:57] <danage> ok
[20:57] <danage> do a modinfo ath_pci
[20:57] <danage> and paste the version info here
[20:57] <rww> apreichner: try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173
[20:57] <danage> then, reboot
[20:57] <rww> apreichner: (also, check that your video card is on this list: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-glx-173 )
[20:58] <apreichner> rww: it says Couldn't find package nvidia-glx-173
[20:58] <mindstab_> danage, srcversion:     D3FD3BD11169A96DBCFF8DE
[20:58] <mindstab_> this?
[20:58] <danage> yes
[20:58] <mindstab_> ok
[20:59] <danage> see ya :)
[20:59] <rww> apreichner: do you have the restricted repository enabled?
[20:59] <vmelo> is there any report about partitions table not recognized during installation?
[20:59] <apreichner> rww: my driver is on the list. And yes according to the package manager, the restricted repository is enabled.
[21:00] <apreichner> rww: I also have an option for the 177 driver too, but that doesnt work either
[21:02] <rww> apreichner: can you copy your /etc/apt/sources.lst file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[21:02] <histo> Anyone using conky with itrepid? I've noticed that you can't have any desktop icons while conky is running with double buffer enabled.
[21:02] <mindstab> im back :)
[21:02] <danage> workie?
[21:03] <mindstab> no ^^
[21:03] <danage> modinfo ath_pci
[21:03] <apreichner> rww: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61668/
[21:04] <mindstab> version:        0.9.4
[21:04] <danage> srcversion?
[21:04] <mindstab> srcversion:     D3FD3BD11169A96DBCFF8DE
[21:04] <danage> same, rats
[21:05] <danage> mindstab: i guess you have to either wait or use the fix from ubuntuusers.de
[21:05] <mindstab> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile/ath_pci.ko
[21:05] <mindstab> is this rigth=
[21:05] <mindstab> ?
[21:05] <rww> apreichner: odd, the package you need is on the mirror you're using. did you do sudo apt-get update recently?
[21:05] <danage> mindstab: yeah
[21:05] <mindstab> :(
[21:05] <apreichner> no i just installed it today, but ill do it now
[21:05] <danage> maybe try what visik7 wrote with this one
[21:06] <mindstab> [  372.572859] wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3)
[21:06] <apreichner> rww: okay just did update, want me to try the driver again?
[21:06] <rww> apreichner: yeah
[21:06] <danage> mindstab: ubuntuusers guide
[21:07] <visik7> you could try ath5k driver tooo
[21:07] <mindstab> can can u give me a link to the guide?
[21:07] <mindstab> just load the driver with modprobe?
[21:07] <apreichner> rww: its downloading and installing it, so i think it worked
[21:08] <visik7> remove ath_pci before
[21:08] <mindstab> [  476.939564] ath5k phy0: failed to wakeup the MAC Chip
[21:08] <apreichner> rww: hm.. well the bar finished going, but it still shows as not installed
[21:08] <danage> visik7: its quite b0rken i heard
[21:08] <visik7> danage: so seems
[21:09] <danage> mindstab: hafta remove ath_pci first
[21:09] <danage> rmmod ath_pci
[21:09] <visik7> modprobe -r
[21:09] <rww> apreichner: I thought that System->Administration->Hardware Drivers would do the apt-get update for you, but it seems not. I guess that was why installing from there wasn't working ;-)
[21:09] <danage> or that
[21:09] <visik7> rmmod is not clean :)
[21:09] <rww> apreichner: didn't see your last message. hmm
[21:09] <mindstab> [  476.939614] ath5k_pci 0000:05:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
[21:09] <mindstab> [  476.939947] ath5k_pci: probe of 0000:05:00.0 failed with error -5
[21:09] <mindstab> [  544.347991] ath_pci: driver unloaded
[21:09] <mindstab> [  544.380072] wlan: driver unloaded
[21:09] <mindstab> [  544.412069] ath_hal: driver unloaded
[21:10] <apreichner> rww, i guess ill try restarting and see what happens, but it never gave me a restart message
[21:10] <apreichner> oh nvm, now it did
[21:10] <visik7> mindstab: you have to remove both with modprobe -r and load only ath5k
[21:10] <apreichner> rww i think it worked, thank you for your help
[21:10] <rww> apreichner: no problem; let me know if you have problems after restarting :)
[21:11] <apreichner> okie doke
[21:14] <apreichner> rww: The driver works flawlessly! Visual Effects is on and looks good. Thanks for your help, although I didn't think it would be that simple to fix.
[21:16] <rww> apreichner: Awesome! Glad to hear it :)
[21:17] <apreichner> Thanks again. Bye
[21:18] <mindstab> i cant get it to work
[21:18] <mindstab> :/
[21:19] <bsnider> mindstab, just remove the linux-restricted-modules packages you have installed and the old madwifi stuff will be gone
[21:19] <visik7> mindstab: did you digg launchpad to see if someone already had report the bug ?
[21:27] <mindstab> hmm any other ideas
[21:27] <danage> ubuntuusers thingy
[21:27] <[diablo]> evening
[21:28] <danage> ath5k won't make you happy
[21:28] <danage> i have my experiences with it
[21:28] <[diablo]> guys, anyone got beta working with openchrome please?
[21:28] <[diablo]> I get a black screen
[21:28] <mindstab> danage, can u give me the link?
[21:28] <adz21c> hi, since switching to intrepid my sound card has not worked properly. It has once produced sound, then I rebooted an it was gone. It is a Xonar D2. When I go to alsamixer I can't mute various options. Any ideas how I might go about solving this?
[21:28] <danage> mindstab_: here is some more information, even though the post should *not* apply to you. simply blacklisting should do. http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/atheros-ar242x-howto/
[21:28] <rww> my old laptop used an atheros chipset. had so much trouble with it :(
[21:28] <danage> BUT
[21:29] <danage> use a newer snapshot
[21:29] <danage> ^^^^ignore what i wrote beside the link
[21:29] <danage> but do use a newer snapshot
[21:31] <stork> am I the only one having problems with flash?
[21:32] <mindstab> danage, should i try hal testing=
[21:32] <mindstab> ?
[21:32] <danage> hmm
[21:32] <rww> sabaua: to answer your #ubuntu question: gnome-core is currently at version 2.22.2.
[21:32] <mindstab> http://snapshots.madwifi.org/
[21:33] <danage> sec
[21:33] <sabaua> not 2.4?
[21:33] <danage> hal10 current
[21:33] <rww> sabaua: sorry, i read packages list wrong
[21:34] <LARefugee> anyone have a bluetooth headset working with intrepid?
[21:34] <rww> sabaua: looks like some packages are at 2.24.0 (e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome-panel) and some are at 2.24.1 (e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/eog)
[21:35] <rww> sabaua: so i'd assume we're getting 2.24.1 some time soon. i'm looking for more info on this
[21:39] <simone> hi, cioè ciao
[21:39] <loue> hello. anybody running intrepid with matrox graphics + dual monitors
[21:39] <simone> provengo dal canale inglese
[21:39] <simone> mi hanno risbatutto qui....qualcuno sa per caso del problema nvidia con il nuovo xorg?
[21:40] <rww> !english | simone
[21:40] <rww> !it | simone
[21:40] <simone> sorry, sorry, i thought i was already in the italian channel
[21:40] <rww> simone: no problem :)
[21:42] <danage> mindframe: i just saw the wget link in the ubuntuusers wiki entry is correct
[21:44] <simone> oh my gawdddd, nobody's there....you know italian people...lazy bunch of....
[21:45]  * rww giggles
[21:45] <mindstab> i have good news
[21:45] <mindstab> D
[21:46] <mindstab> i just connected to my network
[21:46] <mindstab> but i didnt got an ip
[21:46] <mindstab> over wifi
[21:46] <danage> did you follow the guide?
[21:47] <danage> mindstab: you can try dhclient ath0
[21:47] <danage> *sudo
[21:49] <mindstab> ok i tried
[21:50] <mindstab> DHCPREQUEST of <IP_ADDRESS> on ath0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[21:50] <mindstab> DHCPACK of <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:50] <mindstab> bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 922688733 seconds.
[21:50] <mindstab> but ifconfig still shows no ip under ath0
[21:50] <mindstab> ok now it does
[21:50] <mindstab> :D
[21:50] <danage> unplug the ethernet!!!
[21:51] <mindstab> huhu
[21:51] <danage> it workie?
[21:51] <mindstab> im still here=
[21:51] <mindstab> ?
[21:51] <mindstab> :D
[21:51] <mindstab> ok
[21:52] <mindstab> its very slow somehow?
[21:52] <adz21c> hi, since switching to intrepid my sound card has not worked properly. It has once produced sound, then I rebooted an it was gone. It is a Xonar D2. When I go to alsamixer I can't mute various options. Any ideas how I might go about solving this?
[21:52] <crimsun> is anyone experiencing bug 274995?
[21:53] <mindstab> i have a huge lag
[21:53] <crimsun> adz21c: is your xonar the only active audio device in the system?
[21:53] <adz21c> crimsun: I have a webcam with a mic, so it is the only output audio device
[21:54] <danage> mindstab: check your iwconfig rx tx data
[21:54] <crimsun> adz21c: however, a webcam with a mic is also an audio device.  Is it configured (through ALSA) as hw:0 or hw:1?
[21:54] <mindstab>  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:1D:19:EA:E1:6E
[21:54] <mindstab>           Bit Rate:12 Mb/s   Tx-Power:17 dBm   Sensitivity=1/1
[21:54] <mindstab>           Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[21:54] <mindstab>           Power Management:off
[21:54] <mindstab>           Link Quality=25/70  Signal level=-71 dBm  Noise level=-96 dBm
[21:54] <mindstab>           Rx invalid nwid:6154  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[21:54] <mindstab>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[21:55] <danage> looks like you got bad reception
[21:55] <danage> i think it gets better int he 40s
[21:55] <mindstab> ?
[21:55] <danage> you could try iwconfig ath0 rate 1M
[21:55] <danage> link quality 40 and above
[21:56] <adz21c> crimsun: how do i figure that out, not got much knowledge on alsa
[21:56] <crimsun> adz21c: cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:56] <adz21c> crimsun: D2 = 0, USB = 1
[21:56] <mindstab> danage, no change
[21:57] <mindstab> i try sitting next to the access spot
[21:57] <crimsun> adz21c: please execute the alsa-info.sh script from http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[21:58] <mindstab> ok i got 64/70 now
[21:58] <danage> mindstab: yes, see if that helps
[21:58] <mindstab> strange
[21:58] <danage> try a download of some size
[21:58] <mindstab> that were 2 meters
[21:58] <adz21c> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=49224decaeb0e9942536c4ea5c53949c658dd5c5
[21:59] <danage> high frequency is strange
[21:59] <graft> hmm... emacs doesn't install by default, that sucks
[22:00] <crimsun> adz21c: do you actually use the spdif out?
[22:00] <rww> graft: that's a matter of opinion ;-)
[22:01] <crimsun> adz21c: if not, amixer -c0 set 'IEC958',0
[22:01] <adz21c> crimsun: yes, that is how I am connected to my speakers
[22:01] <crimsun> err, amixer -c0 set 'IEC958',0 mute
[22:01] <crimsun> adz21c: ok, and what's the link status on the spdif?
[22:02] <graft> rww: well, i'm a long-time vim prefer-er, but still... it's emacs!
[22:02] <adz21c> crimsun: where would I find that?
[22:02] <crimsun> adz21c: by inspecting the hardware.  Most components have a visual indicator whether the spdif is active.
[22:02] <mindstab> ok
[22:02] <mindstab> i cant even ping the router
[22:03] <mindstab> hallo
[22:03] <echinos_> I will never run "update-manager -d" again :/
[22:03] <adz21c> crimsun: unfortunately that isn't always the case with my speakers. When its doing normal output there is no difference on the indicators compared to using analog, unless I play a DVD with spdif passthrough which then lights up the dolby digital indicator, which currently doesn't happen when i play a DVD
[22:04] <echinos_> something always goes wonky
[22:04] <rww> echinos_: tell me about it. I have such bad luck with upgrading OS versions, even on Windows/OS X. Backup, erase, install... that's my motto!
[22:05] <crimsun> adz21c: <ugh> ok, then, can you eliminate pulseaudio from the debugging picture?
[22:06] <adz21c> crimsun: how would I go about that?
[22:06] <crimsun> adz21c: I.e., pasuspender -- aplay -Dplug:iec958 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[22:07] <simone_> sorry
[22:07] <simone_> where is ubuntu+1 italian??
[22:07] <simone_> the italian channel for 8.10
[22:07] <simone_> ?
[22:07] <mindstab> danage, still here?
[22:07] <adz21c> crimsun: if I said pulseaudio-utils isn't installed would that eliminate it?
[22:08] <crimsun> adz21c: well, you can still test without pulseaudio-utils.  Just use:  pulseaudio -k; aplay -Dplug:iec958 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[22:09] <adz21c> crimsun: apparently pulseaudio isn't installed full stop, that a good or bad thing? also I noticed when aplay tried to play the wav it complain of an underrun
[22:10] <crimsun> adz21c: good vs. bad - well, depends on your opinion.  underrun isn't really important here.
[22:10] <crimsun> adz21c: more importantly, was the sound audible?
[22:10] <graft> !it
[22:10] <adz21c> crimsun: nope
[22:11] <crimsun> adz21c: if not, can you try aplay -Dplug:spdif /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[22:12] <adz21c> crimsun: same result. One thing that might be worth noting, that before on hardy i noticed when the sound card didn't work I was unable to mute/unmute most of the options in alsamixer (which is the case currently), however after building alsa 1.0.17 the sound started working and i was suddently able to mute and unmute various items
[22:13] <crimsun> adz21c: hmm, you compiled your own 1.0.17 and aren't using the version in linux?
[22:13] <crimsun> adz21c: (because in that case, you need to be using 1.0.18rc3)
[22:14] <adz21c> crimsun: when i was in hardy (which shipped with 1.0.16) i recompiled it to 1.0.17 to get it working, so I asssumed it would work out of the box with intrepid since thats shipped with 1.0.17
[22:15] <crimsun> adz21c: ah, so you /didn't/ recompile alsa-driver on intrepid?
[22:15] <crimsun> (your previous statement is a bit ambiguous)
[22:16] <adz21c> crimsun: I had tried previously, recompiled alsa (didn't upgrade) that made no diff, so then i tried 1.0.18rc3 and that failed, so i rolled back to 1.0.17 shipped with intrepid
[22:16] <crimsun> adz21c: I'm afraid at this point you have two recourses:  wipe the state file and reload the virtuoso driver, or use 1.0.18rc3
[22:16] <crimsun> adz21c: also, what failed in 1.0.18rc3?
[22:17] <adz21c> crimsun: just the same result, no sound
[22:18] <crimsun> adz21c: ok, try wiping the state file.
[22:18] <adz21c> crimsun: would that be /var/lib/asound.state?
[22:18] <danage> mindstab: yes
[22:19] <crimsun> adz21c: yes.  You'll need to unload snd-virtuoso, then remove the state file, then reload snd-virtuoso.
[22:20] <josh||> so what version of KDE ships with 8.10?
[22:20] <adz21c> josh||: 4.1.2
[22:20] <josh||> thanks
[22:20] <josh||> not sure yet if i want to make the leap to kde from xfce
[22:21] <ethana2> i'm wondering what URL to watch for the post-QA 8.10 rc..
[22:21] <adz21c> crimsun: done that, i tried aplay with front_center.wav and same result, no audio
[22:22] <crimsun> adz21c: did you mistakenly toggle the loopback element?
[22:24] <josh||> how about the xfce version for 8.10? :)
[22:24] <adz21c> crimsun: not even been anywhere to toggle it, however just went into alsamixer to try and again, can't toggle mute on it. only things i can change mute on are iec958 and master, the rest are locked unmuted
[22:25] <crimsun> adz21c: 'IEC958 Loopback'
[22:25] <adz21c> crimsun: there is a mute toggle for that, but it is locked unmuted
[22:26] <crimsun> adz21c: ok, then you have to muck with the mixer settings.  Sorry, I don't have access to that card locally.
[22:27] <adz21c> crimsun: s'ok :-) unfortunately I mucked with the mixer as muich as i can, like i said most of it just wont change, i can change volume levels on master, must and unmute iec958 and master, and i can change the stereo upmixing, other than that it is like all the other settings are there for show
[22:28] <thatguy> can anyone tell me a good method to clearing ~80MB of space on '/boot'
[22:28] <graft> thatguy: remove old kernels?
[22:29] <thatguy> can you please tell me how i would go about doing that?
[22:30] <thatguy> oh wait they are the abi-generic stuff?
[22:30] <graft> thatguy: um. well, see which ones ar einstalled first, dpkg -l | grep  linux-image
[22:31] <ikonia> thatguy: remove uneeded files
[22:31] <thatguy> http://pastebin.com/m4a309a9d
[22:31] <thatguy> i'm guessing remove everything htat isn't 2.6.24-21
[22:31] <graft> thatguy: what are you running now?
[22:32] <graft> thatguy: yeah... i usually keep one stable backup, but you're probably okay removing everything you're not using
[22:32] <ikonia> thatguy is /boot a seperate partition
[22:32] <thatguy> the one i just mentioned
[22:32] <thatguy> no it is a folder
[22:32] <ToxinPowe> is RC out?
[22:32] <graft> thatguy: then once the kernel packages are gone, apt-get autoremove should clean up header packages and such
[22:32] <ikonia> thatguy: so you need to make sure your / file system has 80meg of space
[22:33] <graft> althoug headers aren't in /boot anyway, never mind
[22:34] <josh||> thats a good point, actually... whats your partition table like? if everything is one big part you can delete from anywhere
[22:34] <graft> if he doesn't have 80M of free space he's probably got other problems
[22:35] <josh||> yeah well that was the next thing i was worried about :X
[22:35] <thatguy> i'm guessing i can find the partition table in GParted?
[22:36] <josh||> thatguy, how about the output of the df command
[22:36] <ikonia> thatguy: why do you want the partition table ?
[22:36] <thatguy> ikonia: josh|| mentioned it
[22:36] <josh||> that will tell you what partitions you have and how much space is on each
[22:36] <josh||> im curious what else is on the same part as /boot, where he might have stored some files he could (re)move
[22:37] <thatguy> http://pastebin.com/m653a08d9
[22:37] <graft> well, crap. I just got this: ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin: Input/output error
[22:37] <graft> just that one file.. everything else is okay
[22:38] <josh||> :o someone left your cache in a bad state... thats scary
[22:38] <graft> yeah, so now what?
[22:38] <thatguy> josh||: http://pastebin.com/m653a08d9
[22:38] <tapas> input/output error sounds bad
[22:39] <josh||> thatguy, well youve got a separate partition for /boot so your only choice is to delete files from under /boot
[22:39] <josh||> graft, first id want to know if apt keeps any automatic backups :X
[22:40] <graft> i'm not even sure what happened here
[22:40] <josh||> ive had apt barf on me in similar ways
[22:40] <thatguy> most of the /boot folder in my filesystem is just generics (current and old versions)
[22:40] <josh||> lets see... scanning man pages
[22:41] <josh||> thatguy, you can safely remove old kernel versions
[22:41] <thatguy> cool
[22:41] <josh||> just dont remove the current one!
[22:41] <graft> it should yell at you anyway if you try to remove the current kernel
[22:41] <thatguy> i know
[22:41] <thatguy> hm it won't let me delete them
[22:42] <graft> don't delete them
[22:42] <graft> use apt to remove the packages
[22:42] <tapas> thatguy: run a file system check some time just to be sure
[22:42] <thatguy> mm if you haven't noticed, i'm not a big bash user, the most i actually know is how to compile something simple like pidgin
[22:43] <graft> you could always reboot 30 times
[22:43] <josh||> haha
[22:44] <thatguy> and why is 30 so magic...42 is
[22:44] <graft> but properly speaking you should run from a livecd and use the 'e2fsck' command
[22:45] <tapas> erm
[22:45] <tapas> i actually meant to send that comment to graft [re: input output error]
[22:46] <thatguy> ah
[22:46] <hellues> hey
[22:46] <hellues> can you give infos about super ubuntu
[22:47] <aliasbody> #ubuntu-fr
[22:47] <thatguy> well so far so safe
[22:47] <thatguy> (i used synaptic pkg manager due to lack of bash knowledge
[22:50] <thatguy> it works now btw
[22:50] <josh||> :)
[22:50] <thatguy> i freed up about 130MB of space by taking away all the old stuff
[22:51] <thatguy> hm maybe i'll upgrade to beta a week early from now on to make the download time easier
[22:52] <kane77> hi, I installed intrepid beta (from the cd available from ubuntu.com) and networking worked, but there was large number of updates and one of those updates borked NetworkManager, because now the icon don't show up in system tray. If I kill the process and start it again it does show, but if I open the connections window (Edit connections) there is connection ifupdown (eth0) for wired connection and I can't delete it..
[22:52] <zeco> Intrepid Ibex RC is out now: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[22:52] <kane77> and the whole networkmanager does not work so I have to kill it and run my config script (using plain ifconfig)
[23:20] <ronny> hi
[23:20] <lastent> hi there is not sun-java-jdk on intrepid?
[23:21] <kane77> lastent, there is
[23:21] <louise> I lost my system since last updates. I think I have a problem with xauth and gdm's authority to access xserver
[23:21] <ronny> intrepid gives me strange welan performance - every few minutes my download rates drop from 300-500 kb down to a about 1000 bytes/minute (only happens when using the wlan)
[23:21] <ronny> *wlan
[23:21] <louise> its very new stuff to me
[23:22] <kane77> lastent, sun-java5-jdk and sun-java6-jdk
[23:22] <lastent> kane77, I cant find any of them
[23:23] <lch> hi, I'm wondering if or when mediawiki-1.13.2 will make it into the intrepid repo
[23:23] <kane77> lastent, they are in multiverse so check if you have multiverse repository enabled
[23:24] <lch> from the package mailing list I can see that the maintainer already checked in some patch
[23:24] <lch> to Debian or so
[23:24] <lastent> kane77, it is the package manager the problem
[23:31] <a1len> Anyone know how I'm gonna pull up Python? And how I can set a shortcut gui on the desktop?
[23:32] <lch> "pull up"?
[23:32] <a1len> Yeah. Bring up the program or whatever the technical name is. Use it.
[23:32] <a1len> I can't find it.
[23:32] <a1len> Apt-get says it's installed.
[23:32] <joaopinto> a1len, from the terminal just type: python
[23:33] <joaopinto> a1len, please search for a Python tutorial
[23:33] <a1len> joaopinto: thanks.
[23:35] <ethana2> since python is installed by default, and not everyone codes, it is hidden
[23:36] <ethana2> system > preferences > main menu
[23:36] <ethana2> unhide it
[23:36] <ethana2> this will give you an applications > programming > python
[23:36] <ethana2> a1len: does that help?
[23:38] <Wutz> is RC released now?
[23:38] <a1len> ethana2, thanks. Found it
[23:41] <WelshDragon> Wutz, http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ ?
[23:41] <Wutz> ah, thats exactly what i'm looking for, ty
[23:41] <WelshDragon> yw =)
[23:42] <tgm4883_laptop> has the 8.10 RC been released yet?  ubuntu.com says it has, but links to the beta page
[23:43] <WelshDragon> tgm4883_laptop, http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[23:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ah yes, so it's just the release page that doesn't exist then
[23:46] <nhaines> tgm4883_laptop: Give it a couple hours, it'll get there.  :)
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> thx, downloading now :)
[23:49] <zoran> is that final rc?
[23:50] <lch> anybody here who can tell me how maintaining Ubuntu packages works?
[23:50] <zoran> hmmm?
[23:51] <nhaines> zoran: yes.
[23:51] <lch> I'm wondering if or when mediawiki-1.13.2 will make it into the intrepid repo
[23:51] <lch> from the package mailing list I can see that the maintainer already checked in some patch
[23:51] <zoran> nhaines: tnx
[23:51] <pwnguin> does anyone know what happened to the ornamental GNOME games card theme?
[23:51] <csilk> ahs the default theme for intrepid been finalised yet?
[23:51] <csilk> *has


[15:26] <hemza> salm
[15:31] <ButterflyOfFire> Salam hemza
[15:32] <hemza> Good. At last i get logged in Ubuntu-dz IRC
[15:38] <ButterflyOfFire> You're welcome hemza :)
[15:39] <ButterflyOfFire> Vous êtes d'Annaba hemza ?
[15:42] <hemza> No. from Jijel. I'am studing in Annaba
[15:42] <ButterflyOfFire> Ok :)
[15:43] <hemza> ButterflyOfFire, But how did you know ?
[15:45] <ButterflyOfFire> Just by your IP address :) Gateway CERIST-Univ.Annaba :)
[16:15] <hemza> ok. I have some suggestions about LoCo Team. Where could I post them
[16:16] <ButterflyOfFire> You can post send them to our mailinglist
[16:16] <ButterflyOfFire> so that everyone can read your message
[16:34] <hemza> ok Thank you