[00:19] <Claudinux> 'night
[14:00] <davidm> Morning NCommander
[14:01] <davidm> ogra, please grab the Freescale call, suggest shutting it down as there is nothing to do at this time
[14:03]  * GrueMaster yawns
[14:04] <ogra> #startmeeting
[14:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:04. The chair is ogra.
[14:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:04] <ogra> heya
[14:04] <dmart> hi
[14:04] <ian_brasil> hi
[14:04] <ogra> seems the agenda isnt properly filled and i have no idea what the action items from last week were
[14:05]  * ogra sighs
[14:05] <dmart> I wasn't here last weeek
[14:05] <davidm> Were there any?  It was release week
[14:05] <ogra> there was "fill out the arm release notes" for asac and me
[14:05] <ogra> (i'm still waiting for NCommander to add the dove install instructions, the rest is done)
[14:06] <ogra> i dont remember what else
[14:06] <ogra> i know there were a bunch
[14:06] <NCommander> sorry for being tardy
[14:07] <ogra> ok, there was: NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image
[14:07] <ogra> looked fine, i tested it right away
[14:07] <plars> as did I
[14:07] <NCommander> no unexpected scrollbarsin sight
[14:07] <plars> stuff like google maps, yahoo, etc looked normal again
[14:08] <ogra> and there was "asac and ogra to flesh out release notes"
[14:08] <ogra> which was done modulo the dove install instructions <- NCommander please add
[14:08] <NCommander> ogra: add an action item for me on that (I'm currently updating the karmic ones)
[14:08] <ogra> and there was a carry over for dyfet to add a check for v6->v7 upgrades to update-manager
[14:09] <ogra> NCommander, just copy paste and remove mentioning of karmic ... if you really do it after the meeting we dont need an extra action imho
[14:09] <NCommander> ogra: I need to update the bootloader section
[14:09] <ogra> dyfet, has an SRU patch been created for mvo to inspect for u-m ?
[14:10] <ogra> [action] NCommander to add a link for dove install notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes
[14:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to add a link for dove install notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes
[14:11] <ogra> hmm, no dyfet
[14:11] <ogra> so i suspect thats a c/o
[14:12] <ogra> [action] dyfet to fix update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades in an SRU
[14:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet to fix update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades in an SRU
[14:12] <ogra> ok
[14:12] <ogra> moving on
[14:12] <ogra> [topic] Standing Items
[14:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[14:12] <ogra> i guess we dont need to look at the workitem tracker atm
[14:13] <persia> There's a new one, but it's mostly empty :)
[14:13] <NCommander> Mostly just need to get specs for UDS up and improved
[14:13] <ogra> neither on any of the other items in that section or do we ?
[14:13] <ogra> so did everyone who has poposed spec for UDS talk to lool  ?
[14:13] <ogra> to get them approved and scheduled ?
[14:14] <ogra> (iirc lool is supposed to approve/decline unless that changed, though nobody told us yet)
[14:14] <asac> feel free to talk to me ;)
[14:14] <asac> NCommander: please submit your spec against ubuntu-arm project
[14:15] <ogra> [action] everyone with UDS specs planned, talk to asac for approval/declination
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone with UDS specs planned, talk to asac for approval/declination
[14:15] <asac> or keep it where it is ... hjowever, i think its best to file it against ubuntu-arm as in that way we will track it
[14:15] <NCommander> asac: huh?
[14:15] <ogra> [action] everyone with UDS specs planned please submit your specs against ubuntu-arm project
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone with UDS specs planned please submit your specs against ubuntu-arm project
[14:16] <ogra> anything else we need to discuss on the standing items ?
[14:16] <persia> I think all the specs for Ubuntu ought be done against ubuntu.  It's a huge pain to move stuff against projects to be against distros (we encountered this previously when fussing with ubuntu-mobile project, and that is part of why we gave up the ubuntu-mobile LP project)
[14:16] <persia> No maverick images available yet :)
[14:17] <ogra> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs disagrees :)
[14:17]  * NCommander has everything submitted against ubuntu with davidm as the approver. If we're going to chang ehow we're filing blueprints, that should have been annoyanvced ages ago
[14:17] <asac> NCommander: it was announced
[14:17] <ogra> NCommander, it was announced about four to six weeks ago
[14:17] <asac> multiple times
[14:17] <ogra> right
[14:17]  * NCommander sighs
[14:17] <ogra> not the ubuntu-arm project but that lool should be approver for all specs at least
[14:17] <persia> ogra: How does that disagree?  Looks like someone else is trying to experiment with a separate project again and will have the same pain later.
[14:18] <asac> mobile team has no own track ... so if its arm related it should be ubuntu-on-arm
[14:18] <davidm> all blueprints are approved by lool
[14:18] <ogra> davidm, it was delegated to asac
[14:18] <davidm> NCommander, I am not involved this cycle
[14:19] <ogra> [link] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs
[14:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+specs
[14:19] <ogra> so lets move on unless someone else has anything for the spec topic
[14:19] <asac> thanks ogra
[14:19]  * ogra skips up to image status
[14:19] <ogra> [topic] ARM Image Status
[14:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status
[14:20] <ogra> i saw that NCommander asked that imx51 and dove images get disabled
[14:20] <ogra> which apparently happened
[14:20] <ogra> (thanks cjwatson )
[14:21] <ogra> since both wont have supported kernels in ubuntu for maverick
[14:21] <ogra> (yet)
[14:21] <NCommander> ogra: can you action item me to post a bzr branch to also drop imx51/dove there (the netboot images are still being generated)
[14:21] <ogra> omap and versatile images will persist for now
[14:21] <NCommander> er
[14:21] <NCommander> drop imx51/dove in d-i
[14:21] <ogra> yes
[14:21] <persia> NCommander: Don't drop it: just leave it unused.
[14:22] <NCommander> persia: ?
[14:22] <ogra> [action] NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds in d-i
[14:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds in d-i
[14:22] <ogra> hrm
[14:22] <ogra> [action] NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds of imx51/dove in d-i
[14:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to take care for disabling (not dropping) netboot builds of imx51/dove in d-i
[14:22] <ogra> thats better :)
[14:23] <ogra> we want to keep omap and versatile :)
[14:23] <ogra> anything else on images ?
[14:23] <NCommander> 10.04 was aweseom?
[14:23] <NCommander> *awesome
[14:23] <ogra> agreed :)
[14:24] <NCommander> I think we're good on images
[14:24] <ogra> ok, moving ong
[14:24] <ogra> *on :)
[14:25] <ogra> [topic] AOB
[14:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[14:25] <ogra> any having anything ?
[14:26] <NCommander> thank you ogra for taking over
[14:26] <NCommander> and also
[14:26] <NCommander> Pepole, please post your ARs! (I'm not perfect on this either, but we really should have them all the wiki)
[14:28] <ogra> well
[14:28] <ogra> its probably good to mention that we should take a look on universe FTBFS in maverick now that main is mostly sorted
[14:28] <ogra> i dont expect massive fallout in main this cycle ... no huge toolchain changes like we had the last releases or anything similar will occur ...
[14:28] <ogra> so we should try to get more motus intrested and work with them to fix all the ftbfs mess
[14:28] <ogra> thats all i had to say for AOB ...
[14:28] <ogra> anyone else ?
[14:28] <ogra> doesnt look like ...
[14:28] <ogra> how about we adjourn then ? :)
[14:28] <ogra> going once ...
[14:28] <ogra> going twice ...
[14:28] <ogra> #endmeeting
[14:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:28.
[14:28] <ogra> boo
[14:30] <ogra> grr, sorry ... worst time for a disconnect
[14:30] <ogra> did i miss anything ? (can somebody paste in a PM if i did)
[14:30] <ogra> so what i said in AOB without noticing i was off ...
[14:31] <ogra> its probably good to mention that we should take a look on universe FTBFS in maverick now that main is mostly sorted
[14:31] <NCommander> ogra: no, everything posted through
[14:31] <ogra> i dont expect massive fallout in main this cycle ... no huge toolchain changes like we had the last releases or anything similar will occur ...
[14:31] <ogra> so we should try to get more motus intrested and work with them to fix all the ftbfs mess
[14:31] <NCommander> you even closed out the meeting
[14:31] <ogra> oh :)
[14:31] <ogra> i did ?
[14:31] <ogra> #endmeeting
[14:31] <ogra> right ... i didnt get any feedback :P
[14:31] <persia> You did.
[14:32] <ogra> great, enjoy your day then :)
[15:00] <pitti> hello everyone
[15:00] <pitti> TB meeting time
[15:00] <pitti> cjwatson, sabdfl, kees, mdz, Keybuk: ping
[15:00] <cjwatson> hi
[15:00] <sabdfl> hello
[15:00] <pitti> hey Colin, how are you?
[15:01] <pitti> our famous leader
[15:01]  * pitti sees Scott getting into his boots very fast
[15:02] <pitti> mdz said he'd be here a little late
[15:02] <cjwatson> semi-recovered
[15:03] <cjwatson> but only semi.  Looking forward to dozing on the train tomorrow ;-)
[15:03] <pitti> heh, have a good rest!
[15:04] <sabdfl> sunsets should be great from the train, what with all the *ash* in the air ;-)
[15:04] <pitti> cjwatson: would you mind SMSing Scott? I'll SMS Kees
[15:05] <cjwatson> sure
[15:07] <pitti> ok, let's start for now
[15:07] <pitti> #startmeeting
[15:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:07. The chair is pitti.
[15:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:07] <pitti> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:07] <kees> hello, sorry i'm late
[15:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:07] <pitti> hey kees
[15:08] <pitti> [TOPIC] Review of previous actions
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of previous actions
[15:08] <pitti> ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria
[15:08] <pitti> ScottK, Riddell: ^ any update, or push forward?
[15:08] <pitti> cjwatson to write up 2010-03-09 meeting minutes
[15:08] <pitti> cjwatson: I guess we'll push that? :-)
[15:08] <Riddell> pitti: started reviewing yesterday, will get it sorted this week
[15:09] <pitti> cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion
[15:09] <pitti> cjwatson: I think that happened, right?
[15:09] <cjwatson> not done yet, got eaten by release and I decided that it wasn't RC
[15:09] <pitti> Riddell: ooh, thanks!
[15:09] <pitti> [ACTION] ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria
[15:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ScottK and Riddell to finalize draft, get agreement with KDE on point release criteria
[15:09] <cjwatson> as in, nothing in the archive actually performed the problematic link
[15:10] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, so it's actually a non-issue completely?
[15:10] <pitti> (I thought last time we resolved to that it's not something we need to deal with?)
[15:11] <cjwatson> I still want to look at it
[15:11] <cjwatson> Keybuk texted back to say he's on leave today
[15:11] <pitti> ok
[15:12] <pitti> [ACTION] cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion
[15:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to drive libfaac issue to conclusion
[15:12] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks
[15:12] <pitti> [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed
[15:12] <pitti> not sure who added that
[15:12] <pitti> but I had a look today, and found two things, I put them on the agenda now
[15:12] <pitti> [TOPIC] Request for Kubuntu Unseeded Packages Team
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Request for Kubuntu Unseeded Packages Team
[15:13] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000155.html
[15:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000155.html
[15:13] <pitti> does anyone have an opinion about this? to me this again sounds like DMB matter
[15:14] <Riddell> I'm not sure how the package list would be defined
[15:14] <Riddell> cjwatson likely knows the sort of magic for that
[15:14] <persia> I'd like to see it implemented as a seed (even if not a seed that ends up on a CD), just for ease of tracking.
[15:14] <kees> feels like dmb. if dmb has questions with it then it would hit TB?
[15:15] <pitti> I thought in terms of dependencies, as a basis for that list?
[15:15] <persia> kees: That matches the decision from last week, but it was TB prior to that (including at the time of the mail)
[15:15] <pitti> ICBW, but I think it needs to be a seed for the LP magic to work
[15:15] <Riddell> so I should talk to DMB and get approval there then find out who can implement it?
[15:16] <persia> Riddell: DMB can implement: the key bit is getting the list.  I'm happy to help you put that together over the next week.
[15:16] <pitti> right, I don't think we can define them (technically) as a negative of seeds
[15:16] <cjwatson> we can define them however we like.  a seed is easiest
[15:17] <cjwatson> but it's quite programmatic right now ...
[15:17] <cjwatson> tracing reverse build-dep graphs is a rather painful way to do it though
[15:17] <cjwatson> happy to sit down with somebody at UDS and try to thrash it out; that might be the easiest way
[15:18] <Riddell> ok, we can do that
[15:18] <pitti> thanks
[15:19] <pitti> [TOPIC] Canonical's patent licenses impact on redistribution
[15:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Canonical's patent licenses impact on redistribution
[15:19] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000192.html
[15:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000192.html
[15:19] <pitti> This came up on the ML again, and it's again a legal matter
[15:19] <mdz> pitti: here now
[15:19] <pitti> I don't feel that I can definitively answer this on my part, but my feeling is that it would be weird for these license to automatically apply for any other derivative
[15:20] <pitti> hello mdz, how are you?
[15:20] <cjwatson> I don't have the information necessary to respond to that; unless mdz or sabdfl happen to know, I assume we would have to refer this to Amanda?
[15:20] <mdz> pitti: I added the "scan the mailing list" topic to remind us to see if anything is outstanding from the list
[15:20] <pitti> does anyone know more?
[15:20] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, I can do that
[15:20] <mdz> I saw that on the mailing list, and I think it should be addressed to Canonical rather than to the TB
[15:20] <sabdfl> i believe the licenses he's referring are purely in support of OEMs in specific cases
[15:21] <pitti> sabdfl: that's what I expected, but I'm happy to confirm with Amanda
[15:21] <mdz> I don't think there's an issue here, but Canonical does need to respond
[15:22] <pitti> [ACTION] pitti to confirm scope of Canonical's ffmpeg licenses with Amanda and followup
[15:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to confirm scope of Canonical's ffmpeg licenses with Amanda and followup
[15:22] <pitti> [TOPIC] Maverick: Syncing from testing or unstable?
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick: Syncing from testing or unstable?
[15:22] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030594.html
[15:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030594.html
[15:22] <pitti> ^ start of thread
[15:23] <pitti> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html
[15:23] <pitti> ^ summary
[15:23] <pitti> summary-summary: syncing from testing was perceived as a good decision for lucid by the majority of replies
[15:23] <cjwatson> thanks for the summary, that's helpful
[15:23] <kees> that was a pretty interesting thread.
[15:23] <cjwatson> I like the compromise proposal of syncing from unstable as normal, and then from testing for a little longer
[15:23] <pitti> but the general feeling is that we shouldn't do it all the time to not fall behind too much
[15:24] <pitti> my personal preference is to switch back to unstable for maverick
[15:24] <pitti> rationale: (1) Debian is approaching freeze, and (2) we just left the more conservative LTS cycle and need to catch up
[15:24] <cjwatson> I agree
[15:24] <pitti> what do you think?
[15:24] <kees> +1
[15:25] <pitti> ah, let's do that for formality
[15:25] <kees> we could maybe consider switching to testing near/at DIF
[15:25] <pitti> [VOTE] switch back to unstable for Debian->maverick syncing
[15:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  switch back to unstable for Debian->maverick syncing.
[15:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:25] <kees> (in addition)
[15:25] <kees> +1
[15:25] <MootBot> +1 received from kees. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:25] <pitti> +1
[15:25] <MootBot> +1 received from pitti. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[15:26] <cjwatson> +1
[15:26] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[15:26] <mdz> pitti: is there a decision we need to make today?
[15:26] <cjwatson> we need to start autosyncing soon, yes
[15:26] <mdz> +1
[15:26] <MootBot> +1 received from mdz. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[15:26] <pitti> mdz: we're about to open teh floodgates for maverick
[15:26] <pitti> once gcc-4.5 finishes building, I think we're good to go
[15:26] <cjwatson> and I'd like to switch MoM over appropriately
[15:26] <pitti> doko said that there's currently no new binutils which we urgently need (or none at all)
[15:27] <pitti> we need to look at perl maybe
[15:27] <pitti> sabdfl: do you have an opinion about it, or abstain?
[15:28] <kees> heh
[15:28] <sabdfl> gack
[15:28]  * pitti jumps back a step
[15:28] <sabdfl> i concur that we should sync from unstable
[15:29] <sabdfl> and that LTS's deserve different treatment in that regard
[15:29] <sabdfl> sorry for closing the wrong window. it's those damn tab close icons in the wrong place.
[15:29] <sabdfl> ;-)
[15:29] <cjwatson> I can probably sort out perl before I finish up for the day ...
[15:29] <pitti> yeah, and close buttons on the wrong side, etc.
[15:29]  * pitti infers a +1 and..
[15:29] <pitti> [ENDVOTE]
[15:29] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[15:29] <sabdfl> +1
[15:30] <pitti> cjwatson: are you okay with doing the switch in MoM? shall I ask the Soyuz guys to switch over sync-source?
[15:30] <pitti> (or do it myself)
[15:30] <cjwatson> MoM switch done
[15:30] <cjwatson> please ask for the Soyuz change, yes
[15:31] <pitti> will do
[15:31] <pitti> [ACTION] pitti to get sync-source default back to unstable
[15:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pitti to get sync-source default back to unstable
[15:31] <pitti> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Check up on community bugs
[15:31] <pitti> zarro
[15:31] <pitti> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:31] <pitti> I forgot, do we go by IRC nick or name?
[15:32] <pitti> IRC nick -> sabdfl, Name -> Keybuk, I think?
[15:32] <kees> nick
[15:32] <sabdfl> ack
[15:32] <kees> at least i thought so
[15:32] <pitti> right
[15:33] <pitti> that's it, thanks everybody!
[15:33] <pitti> [ENDMEETING]
[15:33] <kees> thanks!
[15:33] <pitti> #endmeeting
[15:33] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:33.
[18:50] <zul> morning...er...
[18:59] <mathiaz> o/
[19:00] <zul> oh good so im not halicunating
[19:00] <mathiaz> zul: well - may be there are two of us
[19:00] <sommer> I'm about :-)
[19:00] <ttx> I'm here :P
[19:00] <zul> heh
[19:01] <ttx> just parallelizing a lot
[19:01] <ttx> mathiaz: the chair is all yours
[19:01] <mathiaz> ok - I'll run this one
[19:01] <mathiaz> smoser: hggdh: Daviey: o^42
[19:01] <smoser> hiho
[19:02] <Daviey> \o
[19:02] <mathiaz> ok - let's get started
[19:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[19:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[19:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02] <mathiaz> I'll be the scribe this week
[19:02] <mathiaz> Today's magnificent agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[19:03] <zul> whoo
[19:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  # Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:03] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20100428
[19:03] <mathiaz> # hggdh, zul to get their release note/early SRU bugs known to ttx
[19:04] <zul> i was going to bring them up at the meeting today
[19:04] <mathiaz> zul: we'll cover the lucid SRU in the relevant topic later in the meeting
[19:04] <zul> k
[19:04] <mathiaz> and release notes are too late
[19:04] <mathiaz> # ALL to mark DONE or POSTPONED the remaining work items for 10.04 by Thu 29 April EOD
[19:05] <mathiaz> I hope the final lucid burndown charts looked good ;)
[19:05] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^?
[19:05] <mathiaz> # hggdh to outline testing bottlenecks for UEC testing UDS sessions
[19:05] <ttx> mathiaz: done
[19:05] <Daviey> i *think* i've achieved my objectives ;)
[19:05] <zul> boo!~
[19:05] <mathiaz> hggdh: ^^ have you dumped your ideas in the relevant blueprints for UDS?
[19:06] <mathiaz> that's all for last week minutes
[19:06] <mathiaz> jjohansen: hggdh: around?
[19:07] <mathiaz> nope - ok - let's move on
[19:07] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review
[19:07] <zul> so
[19:07] <mathiaz> I've updated the wiki page to list lucid nominations
[19:07] <mathiaz> and remove interpid now  that it's EOL
[19:08] <mathiaz> dapper, hardy, jaunty nominations are empty
[19:08] <mathiaz> for karmic: bug 494084
[19:08] <mathiaz> bug 572317
[19:08] <mathiaz> zul: let's go through the nominations lists first
[19:09] <mathiaz> zul: and then we'll discuss your list of bugs?
[19:09] <zul> sure
[19:09] <mathiaz> smoser: how important are these bugs^^ for karmic?
[19:10] <smoser> arch bug is not as important as "no-ramdisk" bug
[19:10] <smoser> but no-ramdisk is required if you want to run (correctly) lucid image store images on karmic uec
[19:10] <smoser> so the intent was to piggy back the arch change also in an update
[19:11] <jjohansen> oops, /me slips in
[19:11] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - I'll accept both bugs for lucid and karmic then
[19:12] <mathiaz> so for lucid
[19:12] <mathiaz> there are 5 bugs nominated
[19:12] <mathiaz> bug 573345
[19:12] <mathiaz> bug 195480
[19:13] <mathiaz> FYI you can get the LP query from the KnowledgeBase wiki page
[19:13] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Team%20policy
[19:13] <mathiaz> ^^ SRU weekly review
[19:13] <mathiaz> which ones should be accepted for a SRU in lcuid?
[19:14] <zul> 458637 shouldnt
[19:14] <zul> its not fixed upstream afaik
[19:14] <zul> 573345 needs a bit more research
[19:15] <zul> 562832 was upload but didnt get process for some reason so that should be objected
[19:15] <mathiaz> bug 573345 seems straight forward
[19:16] <mathiaz> zul: what do you mean by objected?
[19:16] <zul> mathias: sorry reejcted
[19:16] <Daviey> 573345 seems a valid sru
[19:17] <mathiaz> Daviey: right - I've accepted the nomination
[19:18] <mathiaz> zul: bug 562832 - does this mean that DRBD is currently broken in lucid?
[19:18] <zul> mathiaz: if you rebuild it manually no
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: oh ok
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: so not SRU worth
[19:19] <mathiaz> I'll decline the bug
[19:19] <zul> mathiaz: it would be nice to have that fixed though
[19:19] <mathiaz> zul: right - we're looking at SRU nominations
[19:20] <mathiaz> zul: declining an SRU doesn't mean it won't be fixed in the development version
[19:20] <mathiaz> bug 195480
[19:21] <mathiaz> doesn't seem SRUable for now as still not fixed in maverick
[19:21] <mathiaz> so declining
[19:21] <mathiaz> and last bug on the list: bug 512110
[19:22] <mathiaz> doesn't seem SRUable for now
[19:22] <mathiaz> and there is a workaround in the bug
[19:22] <mathiaz> declining
[19:23] <mathiaz> allright - that's all for the lucid nominations
[19:23] <mathiaz> I've produced a last-week bug fix list
[19:23] <mathiaz> http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-05-04.html
[19:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-05-04.html
[19:23] <mathiaz> which is of course rather short given it was release week :)
[19:24] <mathiaz> anything SRU worth on this?
[19:24] <mathiaz> well - I guess not
[19:24] <mathiaz> since they've all been fixed in *lucid*
[19:24] <mathiaz> zul: any other bugs on your SRU plate?
[19:24] <zul> yep
[19:25] <zul> these ones are in process
[19:25] <zul> bug 572262
[19:25] <mathiaz> zul: where do you keep track of them?
[19:25] <zul> bug<PHONE_NUMBER>06
[19:25] <zul> im keeping track of them locally
[19:26] <zul> and have a script that pulls down all of the bugs that are nominated for a particular release
[19:26] <mathiaz> zul: great
[19:26] <zul> in the uds session i want to talk about how to keep better track of them and make it more vissible
[19:27] <mathiaz> zul: totally
[19:27] <mathiaz> zul: I'm glad to hear there will be UDS session dedicated to that subject
[19:27] <mathiaz> anything else to add the SRU front?
[19:27] <zul> nope
[19:28] <mathiaz> let's move on
[19:28] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UDS Maverick
[19:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS Maverick
[19:28] <mathiaz> so we're planning UDS next week
[19:28] <mathiaz> I hope all blueprints have been registered
[19:28] <mathiaz> jiboumans has been working on the schedule
[19:29] <mathiaz> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/cloud_and_server/
[19:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/cloud_and_server/
[19:29] <mathiaz> ^^ this is the current *tentative* schedule
[19:29] <mathiaz> it *will* change
[19:29] <mathiaz> but you can already get a taste of what we'll discuss and when
[19:29] <Daviey> it *will* break ;)
[19:30] <mathiaz> any questions on UDS?
[19:31] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on then
[19:31] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[19:31] <mathiaz> any other questions?
[19:32] <zul> nope
[19:32] <mathiaz> allrighty then
[19:32] <mathiaz> let's wrap up
[19:33] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:33] <mathiaz> given we'll be at UDS next week
[19:33] <mathiaz> I suggest we cancel next week meeting
[19:33] <zul> skip it
[19:33] <Daviey> +1
[19:33] <mathiaz> we'
[19:33] <mathiaz> we'll come back in *two* weeks, same place same time?
[19:34] <mathiaz> we'll come back in *two* weeks, same place same time.
[19:34] <mathiaz> thanks for attending
[19:34] <Daviey> thanks mathiaz
[19:35] <mathiaz> and I'll see some of you next week in Belgium!
[19:35] <mathiaz> have safe travels
[19:35] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[19:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:35.
[20:12] <ronnietucker> Hi, is the EMEA meeting taking place?
[20:15] <voRia> According to the wiki page, it's at 20:00 UTC
[20:17] <ronnietucker> voRia: thanks, just checking as the UWN gave it as 7 GMT. I'll hang around  :)
[20:17] <voRia> :)
[20:54] <Seveas> hi forumsmatthew
[20:54] <forumsmatthew> hello, Seveas
[20:55] <Seveas> we all expire in 4 hours, except for jonathan :)
[20:55] <Seveas> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-emea/+members#active
[20:55] <forumsmatthew> Then we should hurry. :)
[20:56] <highvolt1ge> good evening
[20:56] <Seveas> hi ghvoltage!
[20:56] <forumsmatthew> hi!
[20:56] <highvoltage> Seveas: heh, very punny
[20:56] <Seveas> popey, stgraber, 5 minute warning :-)
[21:00] <Seveas> argh. Bad Lucid. Stop crashing
[21:01] <highvoltage> I last rebooted when Lucid was released and had no stability issue whatsoever :)
[21:01] <Seveas> x keeps hanging
[21:01] <Seveas> something between X, compiz and the intel driver is at war
[21:02] <Laibsch> good evening
[21:02] <Seveas> hello Laibsch
[21:02] <Seveas> popey, highvoltage, forumsmatthew, stgraber: It is time.
[21:02] <ivarela> hi to all
[21:02] <forumsmatthew> ready here
[21:02] <voRia> hi :)
[21:02] <Respawner> hello
[21:02] <forumsmatthew> greetings to all
[21:02] <highvoltage> greetings again!
[21:02] <highvoltage> do we have quorum?
[21:02] <Seveas> if popey and stgraber wake up
[21:03] <highvoltage> stgraber is kind of on holiday, I'll sms him to see if he's around
[21:03] <forumsmatthew> let's mention their names again, them being popey and stgraber
[21:06] <highvoltage> I forgot I had popey's number too. sms'ed him too.
[21:07] <czajkowski> highvoltage: shame you're not coming to UDS :(
[21:07] <highvoltage> czajkowski: hey you know it's not my fault!
[21:07] <czajkowski> I know!
[21:11] <popey> hi
[21:11] <popey> sorry
[21:11] <forumsmatthew> glad to see you!
[21:11] <Seveas> 4 is quorum
[21:11] <popey> we ready to rock?
[21:11] <Seveas> let's begin
[21:11] <Seveas> ronnietucker, you're up
[21:11] <ronnietucker> hi!
[21:12] <Seveas> hi ronnietucker, please introduce yourself to us
[21:13] <Seveas> ronnietucker?
[21:13] <ronnietucker> I'm Ronnie the founder, and editor, of Full Circle magazine which has now been running for three years (this month).
[21:14] <highvoltage> ronnietucker: who else works on the Full Circle team?
[21:15] <ronnietucker> mrmonday (Robert) and linuxgeekery (Rob K.) have been with me since the beginning in 2007, but there are other behind the scenes people such as proof-readers and contributors
[21:15] <Seveas> highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/FullIssueIndex -- quite a few people it seems
[21:15] <ronnietucker> I also liase with the translation teams
[21:15] <Seveas> ronnietucker, I'm going to vote -1 now as none of these people actually left a recommendation on your wikipage. I think full circle is great but want to get some input from the rest of your team
[21:16] <ronnietucker> mrmonday should be here if that's any help
[21:16] <popey> I'm going to +1 because I've seen and read FCM for some time and consider it a worthwhile, consistent and quality contribution to Ubuntu.
[21:16] <highvoltage> I feel that ronnietucker has made really good contributions, Full Circle magazine is does a great job of spreading knowledge of Ubuntu
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to go -0. I would like some testimonials and comments from people working with you. However, I have seen the product and agree with popey that it is high quality.
[21:17] <ronnietucker> I've no recommendations on my page, but 30,000 readers each month can't be wrong  :)
[21:17] <highvoltage> it's a solid 3 years of advocacy, so the sustained part is there, it's also quite a significant contribution he's made
[21:17] <Seveas> highvoltage, popey, hmm
[21:17] <ronnietucker> feel free to browse our site for many many comments
[21:17] <popey> I agree that the wiki page doesnt come up to our usual requirements
[21:17] <highvoltage> I'm going to go +0, but I'd like ronnietucker to re-apply with an expanded wiki page with more details
[21:18] <forumsmatthew> I agree it is a sustained and significant contribution, but would like to have some personal comments from individual people who work directly with you.
[21:18] <Seveas> ronnietucker, the purpose of the wikipage is that *you* prepare it to make it easy for us to give a +1
[21:18] <highvoltage> ronnietucker: if you could list any other teams you have worked with, or in, that would be great. recommendations are quite important too, if you can get them
[21:19] <highvoltage> ronnietucker: you're a writer and an editor so preparing a wiki page should be very little work for you ;)
[21:19] <Seveas> ronnietucker, I'm afraid that the total of votes is exactly 0. I think it should take very little time for you to get some recommendations and expand your wikipage a bit, so please do so and come back next month.
[21:19]  * mrmonday appears, whaddaya need
[21:19] <Seveas> "a wild mrmonday appears"
[21:19] <forumsmatthew> here is an example of a very good page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Joeb454
[21:20] <popey> testimonials, stat!
[21:20] <ronnietucker> mrmonday is one of the people who helped found Full Circle
[21:20] <highvoltage> Seveas: you've been spending too much time on your Apple ][ this week!
[21:20] <Seveas> mrmonday, please read scrollback and give ronnietucker some credit on his wikipage.
[21:20] <mrmonday> What kind of a testemonial do you need? I can give one, but how I word it depends on what sort of information you want from me
[21:20] <mrmonday> ok, sure :)
[21:20] <Seveas> I'd like to move on
[21:20] <Laibsch> sorry to jump in
[21:20] <highvoltage> let's do
[21:20] <forumsmatthew> move on
[21:20] <Seveas> voRia, you're up
[21:20] <Laibsch> May I ask to be next?
[21:21] <voRia> hello everyone
[21:21] <voRia> oh sure
[21:21] <popey> I agree, ronnietucker I'd be happy to help you get your wiki page in order
[21:21] <voRia> ;)
[21:21] <Seveas> voRia, please introduce yourself to us
[21:21] <ronnietucker> popey: thanks, will we do that now?
[21:21] <voRia> Seveas: consider Laibsch first
[21:21] <popey> ronnietucker: drop me a mail and we'll sort it
[21:21] <voRia> it's not a problem for me
[21:21] <Seveas> ok, Laibsch you're up then :)
[21:21] <Laibsch> voRia: thanks
[21:22] <Laibsch> cool
[21:22] <Laibsch> my name is Rolf Leggewie
[21:22] <voRia> Laibsch: np
[21:22] <Laibsch> the reason I'm asking to be next is that it's 5 in the morning and I'd like to go back to zzzZZZzzz
[21:22] <Laibsch> ;-)
[21:22] <Seveas> Laibsch, then please quickly introduce yourself :)
[21:23] <Laibsch> I've been a long-time contributor to Ubuntu, mostly while working on bugs
[21:23] <Laibsch> Recently (about a year or two) I've done some packaging work as well
[21:23] <Seveas> do you want to become a MOTU?
[21:24] <Laibsch> I'm maintaining a couple of pages in Debian because I feel that's the best way to support Ubuntu when it comes to packaging
[21:24] <Laibsch> I eventually may consider that
[21:24] <Laibsch> I always thought it's invitiation only
[21:24] <Seveas> it is definitely not
[21:24] <Laibsch> I've only recently understood that it is by application
[21:25] <Laibsch> I sometimes wish I could upload packages (for example those I maintain in Debian)
[21:25] <highvoltage> going the MOTU route may be a better way to gain membership for you
[21:25] <Laibsch> I can upload to Debian now that I'm DM
[21:25] <Seveas> Laibsch, reading your launchpad page I see good amounts of karma on bug work, but as with ronnietucker: while the contribution may be valuable, some recommendations/testimonials from other are really needed to judge the quality of your contribution
[21:25] <Laibsch> One doesn't preclude the other, I'd say, highvoltage
[21:25] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to agree with Seveas
[21:26] <Laibsch> Seveas: if that's a requirement maybe that should be made more clear
[21:26] <Laibsch> stgraber could have said someting about me
[21:26] <Laibsch> I package pastebinit
[21:26] <Seveas> Laibsch, that is most definitely made clear on the membership guidelines wikipage
[21:26] <forumsmatthew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[21:26] <Laibsch> or persia, but I think he's asleep
[21:26] <Laibsch> I work mostly on my own
[21:27] <Laibsch> so I'm not sure there are that many people that regularly come in contact with what I do
[21:27] <Laibsch> nonetheless my contributions are sustained and of a significant amount which at least I understood to be the main deciding factor
[21:28] <forumsmatthew> anyone see your packages/bugs? approve them? are there people who can comment on the quality of the help you give?
[21:28] <forumsmatthew> we can see activity, but only people closely involved can comment effectively on the quality
[21:28] <Laibsch> I'm sure almost anyone doing sponsoring has at one time or another interacted with what I do
[21:28] <Seveas> Laibsch, then please ask them to leave a note on your wikipage
[21:28] <Laibsch> if I were them, I'm not sure I would remember everyone I sponsor every half year or so
[21:28] <hggdh> FWIW, I can vouch for Laibsch work
[21:29] <forumsmatthew> especially on the quality of personal interaction and whether or not it reveals the spirit of ubuntu
[21:29] <Laibsch> thanks, hggdh
[21:29] <highvoltage> Laibsch's work is certainly good
[21:29] <Laibsch> that's a relief ;-)
[21:29] <Seveas> highvoltage, good to know :)
[21:30] <Laibsch> See, I'm not even sure I interacted with highvoltage
[21:30] <Seveas> votes please
[21:30] <Seveas> I'm still at -1
[21:30] <popey> I'd say go for MOTU as that's most appropriate
[21:30] <forumsmatthew> I'll give +0 with a desire to see applicants set up their wiki pages according to requested guidelines
[21:30] <popey> yes, sorry +0
[21:30] <forumsmatthew> I also echo popey that MOTU might be a better path
[21:31] <Seveas> /me3
[21:31] <Seveas> highvoltage, ?
[21:31] <highvoltage> I'm stuggling to decide between +0 and +1
[21:31] <highvoltage> +1
[21:32] <highvoltage> but I also agree with the others and some testimonials would make it easier to give more +1's
[21:32] <Seveas> highvoltage, do you think it is more appropriate for Laibsch to go the MOTU route when reapplying?
[21:33] <highvoltage> it would probably be more appropriate, but I have absolutely no objections if he re-applies with us with a more complete wiki page
[21:33] <Seveas> ok
[21:34] <Laibsch> to me that comment sounds like "you're overqualified", I don't really understand that.  It's a bit weird to see that as ground for rejection.  Becoming a member does not preclude me from becoming a MOTU later.  Just my 2¢
[21:34] <Seveas> Laibsch, sorry to disappoint you, but you'll have to come back another time
[21:34] <highvoltage> Laibsch: working with the MOTU team may make it easier to prove work that was done within the team though
[21:34] <Seveas> Laibsch, it's more that the MOTU can judge your contributions better than we can
[21:34] <highvoltage> Laibsch: that's definitely not the case
[21:34] <Laibsch> not sure that's the case
[21:35] <Seveas> anyway, let's move on
[21:35] <Seveas> voRia, *now* you're up
[21:35] <Laibsch> good night
[21:35] <Laibsch> thanks
[21:35] <highvoltage> Laibsch: thanks to you too
[21:35] <voRia> I'm the founder and the mantainer of the 'Linux On My Samsung' project
[21:35] <Seveas> voRia, what kind of work did you do within the ubuntu teams?
[21:36] <voRia> the project aims to help users to get a better experience with ubuntu (and other distro too as well) on samsung netbooks/notebooks
[21:36] <voRia> actually, not that much
[21:36] <voRia> the project has born as individual
[21:36] <voRia> not aimed to ubuntu
[21:36] <Seveas> voRia, ubuntu membership is a recognition of a sustained and significant contribution to Ubuntu
[21:36] <forumsmatthew> Sadly, I'm again not seeing enough information on the wiki page to evaluate. There are no testimonials from Ubuntu members/teams. There are no details about sustained contributions to Ubuntu.
[21:36] <forumsmatthew> I'm sorry, I have to -1
[21:36] <Seveas> all I see is an upstream project, this does not qualify
[21:36] <Seveas> -1
[21:36] <highvoltage> voRia: I looked at the LP page for samsung-tools, it looks like a really good project but it seems like you've mostly really been active for a month or so?
[21:37] <voRia> the fact is, 99% of the work I do is for ubuntu
[21:37] <voRia> highvoltage: the project has born more than a yer ago
[21:37] <voRia> i provide fixed packages for ubuntu on the repository since intrepid release
[21:38] <popey> I'm inclined to agree. This looks like a worthwhile project, especially for those who are owners of these specific Samsung devices, but I'd like to see more contribution directly to Ubuntu.
[21:38] <popey> -1 from me for now.
[21:38] <voRia> popey: this what I've applied for
[21:38] <voRia> I want to integrate my work in ubuntu in a better way
[21:38] <highvoltage> voRia: your work looks good but your wiki page makes it incredibly hard to judge
[21:39] <highvoltage> -1 from me too
[21:39] <Seveas> voRia, Ubuntu membership is not a requirement for that, quite the contrary
[21:39] <forumsmatthew> perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what membership is and does. It is designed to recognize contribution and participation, not a first step
[21:39] <forumsmatthew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[21:39] <Seveas> if you have problems getting your software integrated with ubuntu, please talk to the MOTU
[21:39] <Seveas> anyway, -4 means we move on again
[21:39] <Seveas> ivarela, you're up now
[21:40] <voRia> well ok
[21:40] <ivarela> hi to all
[21:40] <Seveas> hi ivarela, please introduce yourself
[21:40] <highvoltage> voRia: if you need more advice on your wiki page feel free to contact any of us after the meeting
[21:40] <ivarela> First of all, I want apologize me about my english level
[21:40] <voRia> highvoltage: ok, thanks
[21:41] <ivarela> there is little to say about me: I'm a member of softastur, a community who works for free software in asturian language
[21:41] <ivarela> I heard about Ubuntu 3 years ago, and we started translating it.
[21:41] <forumsmatthew> wow, look at all that translation work!
[21:41] <ivarela> We had few resources, and we coordinate and optimize our resources working in softastur.  I am proud to say that a few years ago very few people knew Ubuntu in Asturias, and now this issue has changed.
[21:41] <Seveas> I'm impressed
[21:42] <ivarela> forumsmatthew: we are a very little group,
[21:42] <highvoltage> ivarela: at what kind of institutions do you do your talks and what topics do you cover?
[21:42] <Seveas> good contributions, well documented, good recommendations and launchpad info
[21:42] <ivarela> so we must work too much.
[21:42] <Seveas> +1, you made it easy for me, thanks :)
[21:42] <forumsmatthew> This is an example of someone doing real and sustained work and documenting it well. He also has good testimonials. The wiki is simple, but effective
[21:42] <forumsmatthew> easy +1 from me
[21:43] <highvoltage> I guess I can ask ivarela again after the meeting :)
[21:43] <highvoltage> +1 from me too
[21:43] <popey> Yup, great work, great testimonials! +1
[21:43] <Seveas> +4, excellent
[21:44] <Seveas> welcome to the dark side, ivarela!
[21:44] <ivarela> thank you very much
[21:44] <forumsmatthew> congratulations
[21:44] <Seveas> Respawner, you're up!
[21:44] <Respawner> well, hello everyone
[21:45] <Respawner> I'm Guillaume, a French guy, using Ubuntu since 2006, member of the ubuntu-fr community, writer on the ubuntu-fr planet, doing some translations work, contributor to java-gnome (coordination with Debian and Ubuntu packagers & coding of course)
[21:45] <Respawner> also writer for GNU/Linux Magazine
[21:45] <highvoltage> Respawner: just catching up on your blog... I also loved the 80's style Fringe episode ;)
[21:46] <Respawner> highvoltage: nice isn't it :p
[21:46] <Respawner> My blog is all french (sorry about that :))
[21:46] <Seveas> Respawner, where do you say you spend more time: ubuntu-fr or java-gnome?
[21:47] <Respawner> both actually, I wrote on the planet regularly and spend time on the forum of course, in java-gnome I try to keep the package up to date in a PPA and do some code
[21:48] <Seveas> Respawner, why aren't there any recommendations/testimonials from other ubuntu-fr members on your wikipage?
[21:48] <Respawner> my articles in GNU/Linux magazine France are tutorials written for Ubuntu in general
[21:49] <Respawner> Seveas: I would love to have a testimonial from onkarshinde, but I was not able to catch him
[21:49] <Respawner> I worked with him for the java-gnome package
[21:50] <highvoltage> Respawner: it's great that you maintain your ppa so well, why haven't you gotten any of your work into the Ubuntu archives yet?
[21:50] <Seveas> I'm leaning towards +1 but need a bit more convincing
[21:50] <Respawner> Seveas: sadly I have no reference from ubuntu-fr (I didn't ask actually)
[21:50] <Seveas> Respawner, why didn't you ask?
[21:51] <Respawner> highvoltage: I would love that, that's why I want to adopt java-gnome package in the future
[21:52] <Respawner> Seveas: I forgot and don't think about it
[21:53] <Seveas> highvoltage, popey, forumsmatthew: can I have a vote please?
[21:53] <popey> I'd like to see some more testimonials really
[21:53] <popey> especially given how huge the french ubuntu community is, can't be that hard :)
[21:53] <forumsmatthew> I am struggling. Again, I would like more testimonials from people in the Ubuntu world.
[21:53] <highvoltage> +1, I just want to suggest to Respawner that he gets his packages into revu and into universe
[21:53] <forumsmatthew> I have to +0 for now
[21:54] <Seveas> +0 too
[21:54] <popey> if he's going to go for putting packages in revu/universe then surely MOTU makes more sense?
[21:55] <Seveas> popey, well, he's doing lots in ubuntu-fr too, so here makes sense too
[21:55] <highvoltage> popey: if he's specifically interested in MOTU, then yes. if he only cares about his own packages then it might not
[21:55] <popey> true
[21:55] <popey> I'm going to say +0, and come back with more testimonials I'm afraid.
[21:55] <Seveas> Respawner, please get some ubuntu-fr testimonials and come back next month, shouold be a breeze then
[21:56] <highvoltage> Respawner: either way, please get some comments from people you have worked with and re-apply! Also consider following the MOTU route for membership if you have broader packaging interests.
[21:56] <Respawner> Seveas: sure, thank you anyway :)
[21:56] <Seveas> HardDisk, you're up next (and last on the agenda)
[21:56] <Respawner> highvoltage: I will consider that
[21:57] <Seveas> idle time 13h, we can assume he's not here
[21:58] <Seveas> so, almost end of meeting.
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> Let me then say as we close that it has been a privilege and honor to serve with all of you on the board.
[21:58] <Seveas> It's been very nice working with you all over the past 2 years!
[21:58] <popey> thanks forumsmatthew !
[21:58] <Seveas> or was it one year?
[21:58] <Seveas> anyway, I enjoyed it!
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> For me it was two
[21:58] <popey> will you be at UDS forumsmatthew ?
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> Yes!
[21:58] <Seveas> I will not :(
[21:58] <highvoltage> forumsmatthew: thanks for serving on the board, you've been great!
[21:58] <popey> excellent, we shall celebrate the good times
[21:58] <Seveas> Enjoy UDS!
[21:59] <popey> I shall have some kwak for you Seveas :)
[21:59] <Seveas> popey, that's a very good idea, but try not to limit yourself to kwak. Belgium has more :)
[21:59] <popey> :)
[21:59] <forumsmatthew> I look forward to working with each of you again in the future in other facets of the community.
[21:59] <Seveas> try at least karmeliet tripel for instance
[22:00] <highvoltage> ok I'm off, thanks everyone and goodnight!
[22:00] <czajkowski> highvoltage: nn
[22:00] <forumsmatthew> bye, everyone!
[22:00] <Seveas> so, what happens next for the emea board?
[22:00] <Seveas> who decides who will be on the board in the next 2 years?
[22:00] <popey> votes are almost all in
[22:00] <highvoltage> night czajkowski
[22:00] <popey> cc will announce shortly
[22:00] <Seveas> k
[22:00] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, I believe the CC is going to sort through the applications and announce
[22:00] <popey> should be tomorrow
[22:00] <Technoviking> Seveas: the CC is almost finished voting
[22:00] <highvoltage> Seveas: I guess we wait for the CC to choose the new members?
[22:03] <popey> Seveas: you doing the ~ubuntumembers thing? :)
[22:04] <Seveas> I shall
[22:04] <popey> thanks!
[22:04] <Technoviking> Anyone here for the CC meeting, there is nothing on the agenda
[22:04] <popey> o/
[22:04] <cjohnston> im here to watch it
[22:06] <Technoviking> Anyone got any questions or concerns for the Community Council, many of the member will be at UDS and there will be many community and goverance session during that week
[22:06]  * mdke arrives late
[22:06] <cjohnston> finishing the vote ;-)
[22:07] <Technoviking> hello mdke :)
[22:08] <mdke> Technoviking: heya :)
[22:08] <mdke> agenda's looking nice and tidy
[22:10] <Technoviking> Ok, I guess we will call it, be sure to particpate at UDS remotely if you can not attend next week.
[22:10] <popey> that was quick
[22:10] <mdke> ah hey popey
[22:10] <pleia2> :)
[22:10] <popey> hullo mdke pleia2
[22:11] <pleia2> hey popey
[22:11] <mdke> wow, great turnout
[22:12]  * highvoltage pops back in for a final scare before going to bed
[22:12] <Technoviking> ;)
[22:13] <Technoviking> mdke: we had a quorum:)
[22:14] <mdke> perhaps we should take some decisions in the absence of any agenda
[22:16] <Technoviking> mdke: like what?
[22:17] <mdke> quick show of hands for renaming Ubuntu One?
[22:17]  * mdke slinks off
[22:17] <highvoltage> rofl
[22:17] <highvoltage> mdke: where did everyone go to suddenly!?
[22:18] <mdke> everyone has their hands up, can't touch the keyboard
[22:19] <popey> hah
[22:19] <popey> you subversive little thing
[22:19] <mdke> that's me
[23:25] <HardDisk> Seveas
[23:25] <HardDisk> sorry I was away :( I had to be with my cousin, had a small emergency
[23:26] <HardDisk> I missed my membership I apologize, but family comes first.
[23:26] <HardDisk> I suppose I will have to reschedule again if it's too late.
[23:27] <HardDisk> considering its 1:26am Cairo time
[23:34] <HardDisk> Hope to get my chance next time.


 Howdy y'all! :)
[20:23] <cyberanger> netritious: well, pre-production atm, OpenVPN
[20:23] <cyberanger> I'll likely move znc, wordpress, mediawiki and MariaDB there too, but that's more personal
[20:24] <Unit193> Mediawiki?
[20:33] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, I know it's not as nice as dokuwiki, but it helps with the database exp.
[20:34] <Unit193> Well it is nice, but generally more useful for larger wikis.  Also was wondering if you had something good on it. :D
[20:34] <cyberanger> Blank
[23:16] <minasota> What is the benefit of using Docker?
[23:41] <netritious> Good question minasota.
[23:51] <minasota> It's like there is an imaginary presence, forcing us to contain - build a box - build a box inside that box...
[23:52] <minasota> whoa, that was some Jim Morrison talk there. Anyway, Docker is awesome
[23:54] <minasota> ... for those that want to... still don't get it. Is it more a hobby or necessity?


[01:58] <oerheks> come on guys, fix those videos https://askubuntu.com/questions/1239703/hi-i-cant-install-my-kali-with-30gb-and-see-a-lot-of-kali-installing-videos
[05:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:41] <ducasse> good morning
[06:46]  * TJ- waves ... can anyone recall which channels I'm supposed to be in!? This thing keeps 'forgetting' :D
[06:46] <ducasse> hiyas TJ- - join all the channels!
[06:47] <TJ-> hehehe ... all 20,000 ?
[06:47] <ducasse> :)
[06:47] <TJ-> I know I usually have about 25 in the list and I'm at 15 so far :D
[06:48] <ducasse> i have the same problem now and then, need to fix my autojoin list
[06:49] <TJ-> It's since I moved to the new weechat and a couple of the python plugins seem to be tempremental
[06:49] <TJ-> Ahhh! read the logs/ directory list
[10:54] <daftykins> :)
[16:55] <JakeSays> ok so what's the purpose of #ubuntu?
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: to ask ubuntu issues and get them solved
[16:55] <oerheks1> technical support, JakeSays
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: why did you regret upgrading to 20.04, and from wich version did you?
[16:56] <JakeSays> lol ok well i have an ubuntu issue
[16:56] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: 19.10
[16:56] <JakeSays> well, ok, i guess it's not an issue per se
[16:56] <JakeSays> but i found a problem with tcgetattr that came about with 20.04
[16:57] <JakeSays> it's behavior has changed in such a way that fails when lazy developers use it.
[16:57] <JakeSays> lol ok this is totally not a support issue
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: please lets treat developers with respect, everyone is doing what they can
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: you have chosen to install a non-lts, and move to the next version early
[16:58] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: i'm a developer. i can be just as lazy as the rest
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> that means extra bugs can arise
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: if you want a stable, less bugs experience choose the LTS way and wait for the point releases
[17:00] <JakeSays> anyway, i'm just trying to get more info on this behavior change. the change is specifically three padding bytes in termios are being returned with garbage in 20.04, and they were zero'd in 19.10
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: you can also help the community and the devs by filing a !bug about it
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> might work better then regret and frustrations
[17:01] <JakeSays> hey lets not get hung up on the word regret. i was just expressing myself.
[17:01] <JakeSays> where do i file this bug.
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: do you have a launchpad account?
[17:02] <JakeSays> i dont believe so
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: create one first, then ubuntu-bug yourpackagename from terminal
[17:03] <JakeSays> ok. what package would this issue be a part of?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: well that was gonna be my next idea, it might be handy to first ask about your issue in #ubuntu volunteers might know a solution or an existing bug
[17:04] <JakeSays> lol that's where i started
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: yeah but you never asked a question
[17:05] <JakeSays> you never gave me a chance! but i'll go post my question there
[17:13] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: ugh. i should just go back to bed. so trying to create a launchpad account - it keeps telling me to fix errors, but doesn't highlight anything. (it was highlighting errors when my passwords don't match)
[17:14] <daftykins> web forms are pretty basic
[17:20] <JakeSays> lol nevermind
[17:20] <JakeSays> i should know better than to attempt anything before i've consumed my requisite amount of caffeine
[20:14] <GR1M0R4CL3> hello
[20:17] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje_: your earlier comment about "the lts way" - 20.04 is an lts release.
[20:18] <daftykins> you misunderstood, plus he's gone
[20:18] <daftykins> ah no he hasn't, hmm surprised - usually long gone by now :D
[20:19] <JakeSays> daftykins: misunderstood what?
[20:23] <daftykins> what you just quoted obviously
[20:32] <JakeSays> daftykins: i didnt, but thanks for the opinion.
[20:34] <daftykins> JakeSays: no you've got it all wrong, you stated that you were on 19.10 and upgraded to 20.04, you were told it'd be different had you stuck to LTS, which means that you'd have been running 18.04 - and upgrade to 20.04 wouldn't work until 20.04.1 releases
[20:34] <daftykins> quite simple really
[20:35] <JakeSays> yes i understood that.
[20:36] <daftykins> why did you just affirm 20.04 being LTS then? shows you didn't get that
[20:38] <JakeSays> because i would assume that an lts release would be solid enough to support upgrading over a previous version without causing major issues.
[20:38] <daftykins> i don't think the destination being an LTS has any bearing whatsoever on the upgrade process
[20:39] <JakeSays> yeah ok.
[20:41] <daftykins> o0
[20:41] <daftykins> for some the discussion is too much
[20:49] <Eickmeyer> This is why I put in every release announcement: "Since it’s just out, you may experience some issues, so you might want to wait a bit before upgrading."
[20:50] <daftykins> such a shame the obvious has to be said
[20:51] <Eickmeyer> Also, most of the time I find people that have trouble upgrading have added PPAs with weird versioning schemes in their packages.
[20:52] <daftykins> mmm definitely


[01:59] <Random6> Howdy
[02:00] <sarnold> hello
[02:31] <Random6> Sarnold, I know you. :)
[02:31] <Random6> Are you a mod here sarnold ?
[02:31] <sarnold> Random6: yes
[02:32] <Random6> Cool. :)
[02:32] <sarnold> :)
[02:54] <seed_> hi
[02:55] <seed_> bitpor blocked
[02:55] <sarnold> hi seed_
[02:55] <seed_> bitport bocked in chrome firefox
[02:56] <seed_> why ???
[02:56] <seed_> seedr.cc blocked in all browsers
[02:58] <seed_> dropbox is the key
[02:58] <seed_> mpv
[02:58] <seed_> mpv and dropbox is the key
[04:38] <warsoul> im trying to do:
[04:38] <warsoul> sudo apt upgrade
[04:38] <warsoul> and is coming this
[04:38] <warsoul> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[04:39] <Bashing-om> !phasedupdates | warsoul
[04:39] <warsoul> Bashing-om thanks :)
[04:41] <Bashing-om> warsoul: To see the status" ' apt policy <package> "  .
[05:17] <aleksandr> Https://micropython.org/download#other
[05:19] <aleksandr> янделс
[05:21] <aleksandr> оватся
[05:46] <aleksandr> Https//
[11:18] <dsc_> hi, how do I hide desktop icons on Ubuntu 22.04
[11:18] <dsc_> it seems to list my home folder
[11:19] <dsc_> ah, via `sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-prefs`
[11:19] <dsc_> crazy.
[13:18] <loswedseded> Cannot open shared library libasound_module_pcm_pipewire.so, can anyone help me? that happens when I start kega-fusion on ubuntu 23.10
[13:18] <loswedseded> is there a module I have to download?
[13:18] <loswedseded> everything I found on the internet is 9 years old
[13:20] <ravage> google found https://gist.github.com/itsmattkc/bda39e4a962919b3722f866d51dbb3d7
[13:20] <ravage> maybe thats a place to start debugging
[13:22] <loswedseded> ravage, does 23.10 use alsa or pulse audio?
[13:23] <ravage> pipewire i think
[13:23] <loswedseded> is there a command to check?
[13:32] <loswedseded> what have I done to my computer if I have to install software-properties-common to install a ppa?
[13:33] <LuckyMan> loswedseded: don't install ppa's, thats a bad policy
[13:34] <LuckyMan> install snaps or flatpaks or appimages
[13:34] <LuckyMan> ppa's mess with your system
[13:40] <loswedseded> is snapcraft snap?
[14:18] <micha_> What is?
[14:19] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: lets not spread half-true FUD
[14:21] <leftyfb> loswedseded: unfortunately, you really should be seeking support for 3rd party software(kega-fusion) from the vendor
[14:22] <leftyfb> loswedseded: to determine which sound server you are running, you can run: pactl info | grep 'Server Name'
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:58] <gtoyman22> Hi anyone using nordvpn on ubuntu? I've made a GUI for it on github and pypi.
[16:47] <lubuntu> slm
[17:02] <eneslogar> hi
[17:11] <Guest48> How to make null device on grub2?
[18:01] <kawal> hey
[18:03] <oerheks> :-)
[19:54] <Toasty> If I set up two swap files/partitions on two different drives, will the system use them in parallel to improve performance, so long as I give them the same priority?
[19:57] <oerheks> Toasty, yes
[19:57] <oerheks> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/613265/what-is-swap-priority-and-why-does-it-matter
[19:59] <Toasty> Thanks.
[19:59] <rodney_> Hi all.
[20:01] <rodney_> Please, Why does it happen in some ubuntu-based distros whenever you try to compile any source ?
[20:01] <rodney_> root@spefs:/home/rodney/Downloads/vinegar-1.7.3# ./configure
[20:01] <rodney_> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[20:02] <oerheks> i guess this /home/rodney/Downloads/vinegar-1.7.3 is a tar file, unpack it first
[20:02] <F67h> hi
[20:03] <rodney_> oerheks, it's the result of the unpacked file: assets        cmd     go.mod  internal  Makefile   roblox  sysinfo
[20:03] <rodney_> bloxstraprpc  config  go.sum  LICENSE   README.md  splash  wine
[20:03] <rodney_> I've unpacked it already
[20:04] <F67h> I got nice but horrible continious tone  sound which comes when playing video, after video is paused for few mins it goes away but then the tone comes back
[20:04] <rodney_> The source where I unpacked it is 'vinegar-1.7.3.tar.gz'
[20:04] <F67h> same old problem with Ubantu no matter which vers what year
[20:05] <F67h> so how can we switch from windows with these / this huge bug
[20:05] <F67h> is there an easy fotrvr fix?
[20:05] <CosmicDJ> rodney_: any source? looks like vinegar is a go program which usually don't need/ship with configure
[20:06] <oerheks> rodney_, the manual uses make https://vinegarhq.org/Installation/guides/source.html
[20:06] <rodney_> Yes oerheks, I have it already.
[20:06] <oerheks> also use the flatpak they provide, unless you have reason to
[20:07] <rodney_> oerheks, through flatpak in zorin os 17 I have 1.7.2 version - I'd like to get the 1.7.3 which is only possible through compiling it
[20:08] <oerheks> zorin .. oh dear
[20:08] <rodney_> and this flatpak package doesn't work.  In ubuntu I can use ./configure with no problem
[20:09] <F67h> tried zorin and the rest but they are all bugged with this sound tone issue or No sound at all
[20:10]  * F67h wonder which year this bug will be fixed so we can say bye bye to Bill Gates and his windows
[20:12] <rodney_> Please CosmicDJ, './configure' is a basic compilation tool, isn't that ?
[20:12] <rodney_> CosmicDJ, if I don't need need/ship with ./configure, what should I do to compile it ?
[20:13] <gtoyman22> rodney, type "make" ?
[20:13] <rodney_> F6h, it seems this Distro is quite bugged, if compared to ubuntu - I was obligated to install it, it wasn't my option. Now, I ought to work with this Distro (sadness for me)
[20:14] <rodney_> That's why I'm not asking about ubuntu, but about this ubuntu-based system
[20:14] <oerheks> rodney_, yeah, but see topic; choose your distro channel.
[20:14] <oerheks> why do we need finding out what is wrong ..
[20:16] <rodney_> yes oerheks, I agree. Sorry for that.
[20:16] <Guest52> After installing the nvidia driver in ubuntu 22.04 lts
[20:16] <rodney_> I prefer not go to zorin support, but switch to ubuntu LTS
[20:17] <CosmicDJ> rodney_: configure is hacky gnu autotools script that was needed when we had all kinds of unix flavours to get a common ground for C/C++ compilers; as I said you don't need that with Go
[20:17] <CosmicDJ> rodney_: read the docs if you want to compile smth
[20:17] <Guest52> In ubuntu 22.04 lts after installing nvidia 545 driverGave up waiting for root device. Common problems:Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline)Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?)Check root= (did the system wait for the right device?)Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev) ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/920903aa-762f-40d2-8126-87f4b0e6f975 does
[20:17] <Guest52> not exist. Dropping to a shell!BusyBox v1.19.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.10.3-7ubuntu1.1) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a lost of built-in commands. (initramfs)
[20:18] <rodney_> CosmicDJ, I've read it. But the question is: ./configure didn't work in zorin (but surely it works in ubuntu
[20:19] <rodney_> So, forget about it, and thanks for information related to gnu autotools for unix flavours
[20:19] <CosmicDJ> rodney_: again, there's no configure in vinegear -> https://github.com/vinegarhq/vinegar ; the underlying OS doesn't matter
[20:20] <gtoyman22> there is a Makefile, so just running make should start the compile.
[20:22] <Guest52> Please anyone help me out
[20:22] <CosmicDJ> Guest52: the latest nvidia driver on Ubuntu is 535, so whatever you installed it's not supported
[20:23] <Guest52> I even installed 525 version still same issue
[20:25] <CosmicDJ> Guest52: installing a nvidia driver usually doesn't make your disk/partition disappear...
[20:25] <Guest48> Hello
[20:27] <fenreer> Hi! I'm running into a strange issue while configuring my network in Ubuntu. I plug the cable into the switch and to my machine. Full duplex lights come on, as well as gigabit ethernet capability (all lights are green) on each side of the link. However when I check ethtool en-0s20f0 (the network interface that I'm plugged into) I see that: link
[20:27] <fenreer> detected: no and current message level: drv probe link. I would expect the latter if there were no connection at all, but not when the cable is connected and lights are lit on all sides of the lines. I tried two different ports on the switch and two different cables. I also double-checked the other 3 network interfaces on this box to make sure I
[20:27] <fenreer> wasn't just attacking the wrong interface, none have a link detected. Thoughts?
[20:28] <fenreer> I typo'd the interface name above, but the interface name I used is correct when I ran the commands (obviously if you typo the link name when you're running eth tools you get an error :)
[20:28] <rodney_> CosmicDJ,Ok, the underlying OS itself doesn't matter. So, what to do with this information in 'https://github.com/vinegarhq/vinegar' ?
[20:28] <rodney_> What should I have to read first to compile this source ?
[20:29] <rodney_> I'm sure you know what you are saying - the problem is: I'm quite newbie and don't know what to read exactly in 'https://github.com/vinegarhq/vinegar'
[20:29] <Guest52> @CosmicDJ Then what is the issue because it's 6th time I installed the ubuntu from scratch and then reinstalled the nvidia driver too but whenever I am installing the nvidia driver then this issue is comming
[20:38] <Guest52> @CosmicDJ Then what is the issue because it's 6th time I installed the ubuntu from scratch and then reinstalled the nvidia driver too but whenever I am installing the nvidia driver then this issue is comming
[20:38] <fenreer> I figured it out. My first of four network adapaters on this box appears to be faulty. I tried enp0s20f2 and it came right up. :P
[20:38] <CosmicDJ> Guest52: installed the nvidia driver how?
[20:42] <Guest52> @CosmicDJ from SOFTWARE UPDATE /Additional drivers
[20:49] <F67h> any know how to fix the tone bug on Ubuntu sound and sometimes there is no sound at all
[20:50] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[20:50] <CosmicDJ> F67h: when doing what?
[20:50] <F67h> is there a fix or are all users using Ubunto without sound in silence
[20:50] <F67h> when playing videos
[20:50] <F67h> the tone comes and no sound
[20:50] <F67h> only tone / beep
[20:51] <F67h> i pause vis for few mins then mostly its bak to normal but starts againb with the tone after few mins
[20:51] <F67h> on and on
[20:51] <F67h> sound unsuable basically
[20:51] <oerheks> try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[20:51] <F67h> why they not fixed this after 7 years?
[20:51] <oerheks> or this one; https://knowledgebase.frame.work/ubuntu-audio-issues-Bkw2Wlf2o
[20:52] <F67h> ok thanks
[20:52] <oerheks> F67h, fixed what? there are tons of audiochips
[20:52] <F67h> any quicker fix? laxy and easy ones
[20:52] <CosmicDJ> F67h: sure, get a better soundchip
[20:53] <F67h> well i have owned a few laptops about 10+ and Ubuntu never worked properly on any machine lol
[20:53] <oerheks> good luck with those manuals
[20:53] <F67h> Tails is the only one works flawlessly
[20:54] <bprompt> 10+?   older than 10 years?  maaan!
[20:54] <oerheks> i am sure there is doubt over those statements
[20:54] <F67h> no new nes
[20:54] <F67h> ones
[20:54] <F67h> and old too
[20:54] <F67h> mostly new ones
[20:54] <oerheks> please do not use enter so much, thanks
[20:54] <bprompt> F67h: well, I haven't had an issue myself, not in 12.04 not now, and yes, my machine is just a 1.5 years old
[20:54] <leftyfb> F67h: do you need help with something?
[20:55] <Guest52> CosmicDJ: from SOFTWARE UPDATE /Additional drivers
[20:56] <bprompt> F67h: so my experience is about 180 degrees from what you stated
[20:56] <jluc> i'm glad i've never had any troubles with sound on ubuntu
[20:56] <jluc> except when forgetting to switch the computer ON
[20:56] <gtoyman22> hehe
[20:56] <F67h> yes I need to fix it so the tone over sound issue is no more.. it would be nice if there is a quicker fix as all else is fine on my new install .. I thouggt I try again after 2 years as previous had same issue..  But I see they not fixed it
[20:57] <leftyfb> F67h: did you try the 2 suggestions you've been given?
[20:58] <leftyfb> F67h: Can you post the resulting URL from this?:   ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; lspci ; echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ; pactl info | grep 'Server Name' ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:59] <F67h> paste in the terminal?
[21:00] <leftyfb> yes, everything after :
[21:04] <root> hello
[21:04] <leftyfb> !rootirc | root
[21:04] <Guest6846> im usinfg proot
[21:06] <Guest52> In ubuntu 22.04 lts after installing nvidia 545 driverGave up waiting for root device. Common problems:Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline)Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?)Check root= (did the system wait for the right device?)Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev) ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/920903aa-762f-40d2-8126-87f4b0e6f975 does
[21:06] <Guest52> not exist. Dropping to a shell!BusyBox v1.19.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.10.3-7ubuntu1.1) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a lost of built-in commands. (initramfs)
[21:07] <Guest6846> huh
[21:19] <mozambique> identify wantmykids
[21:20] <leftyfb> mozambique: can we help you with something?
[21:20] <oerheks> time to change password, mozambique
[21:24] <bprompt> hehhe
[21:37] <davide> sera
[21:38] <Guest48> Play event sound on dbus event
[21:51] <aiena> I was trying to install language support from gnome if I use "sudo su" and login with the password I get root access in the terminal but if I type the same password inside the popup dialog in language support it fails to authenticate. SOme funny behaviour is there with maybe ibus (en) where pressing caps lock only in thise dialoges does not capitalise a leter but shift plus letter does
[21:52] <bprompt> aiena: how about if you just copy/paste the password in the popup?
[21:53] <aiena> hmm I was able to solve it now with presing the shift key for capitalisation
[21:54] <aiena> that dialog always trips me looks like a bug. Pressing caps lock says "Caps lock is on" in orage at the bottom but the character actually typed is still in lowercase (:
[21:54] <aiena> only pressing the show password icon i could debug it
[21:56] <bprompt> yeap, sounds like a bug
[21:58] <aiena> I am currently trying to learn basic chinese so was trying to setup pinyin. Not sure what the difference between the different keyboards
[21:59] <aiena> DOes anyone knw if gedit has a shortcut for increasing /decreasing text size and if it can be easily added
[22:00] <aiena> i cant find it in the default shortcuts page
[22:02] <bprompt> aiena:  hmmm check  the View menu :|, Ctrl-Shift-"+" to zoom IN, and Ctrl-"-" to zoom out
[22:02] <bprompt> aiena: ctrl-0 to back to original zoom
[22:04] <aiena> not working for me(:
[22:05] <aiena> I like kate and have it installed on gnome but for some reason ibus isnt working in that editor. I have QT_IM_MODULE=ibus in my env so wonder why its still not working and ignoring ibus
[22:05] <bprompt> aiena:  hmmm well, it works fine here, hmmm could be something in your keyboard, or caps
[22:05] <aiena> हमम
[22:05] <aiena> sorry
[22:05] <aiena> hmm
[22:06] <aiena> my gedit is 41.0
[22:06] <aiena> is yours newer
[22:07] <bprompt> aiena:  1.36
[22:07] <aiena> how do you get that type of üersion number
[22:07] <bprompt> ohhh wait! you said gedit, I was meaning Geany
[22:07] <aiena> ok geany is not a the default and sorry ibus does work


[10:05] <darius12> does process handover work with current upstart bzr? (from an initramfs upstart to the "real" upstart)
[10:20] <Keybuk> no
[10:36] <darius12> what is missing? the ipc protocol between the two instances of upstart?
[10:40] <Keybuk> right
[10:42] <darius12> is it just that, or there needs to be any refactoring before this protocol is added?
[10:43] <Keybuk> the complete lack of any IPC is a major todo item right now
[10:43] <Keybuk> the necessary conf changes have already happened
[10:45] <darius12> I see.
[10:50] <Keybuk> a related, but not critical path, item is the atomicity of start & stop
[10:51] <darius12> they are not yet atomic?
[10:53] <darius12> I 'm setting a qemu image to play with boot-time facilities (upstart and grub2)
[10:54] <Keybuk> no
[10:54] <Keybuk> in the sense that:
[10:54] <Keybuk>  start JOB with environment FOO=x BAR=y
[10:54] <Keybuk> this should start the job, storing those environment variables in it, and those environment variables should persist throughout the life of the job, including its stop scripts
[10:54] <Keybuk> if I now do
[10:54] <Keybuk>  stop JOB
[10:55] <Keybuk>  start JOB with environment FOO=y BAR=x
[10:55] <Keybuk> (immediately after each other - ie. restart)
[10:55] <Keybuk> the job should stop with FOO=x and BAR=y and not adjust its environment until it has completely stopped
[10:56] <darius12> I see, interesting
[11:16] <Keybuk> actually, it's turned out to be quite a headache
[11:24] <darius12> is "with environment" really needed?
[11:24] <darius12> (I guess it has to do with supporting different instances of a service right?)
[11:33] <Keybuk> right
[11:33] <Keybuk> and if you don't have environment, you don't know what event started you
[11:34] <darius12> right
[11:37] <darius12> and I guess I need service instances
[11:39] <Keybuk> instance cases are even more fun
[11:39] <Keybuk> since in theory, the environment attached is similar enough anyway
[11:39] <Keybuk> start getty TTY=tty1
[11:39] <Keybuk> stop getty TTY=tty1
[11:39] <Keybuk> start getty TTY=tty1
[11:39] <Keybuk> doesn't really make much difference :)
[11:44] <darius12> and why is it such a problem for the atomicity? (I haven't looked at the source yet)
[11:45] <darius12> you are storing an event together with its environment, not?
[11:51] <darius12> I meant a job instance together with its environment
[12:11] <Keybuk> right
[12:11] <Keybuk> you'd need to store its current environment
[12:11] <Keybuk> and its next environment
[12:12] <Keybuk> or...
[12:12] <Keybuk> spawn a new instance, and don't let it start until the other stops
[12:20] <darius12> right, I see
[12:57] <Keybuk> I'm not sure which is the right solution