[05:27] <jack|h> So i've gotten ubuntu up and running but the only application that seems to be able to play sound is gnome.  Everything else either hangs or is silent.
[05:27] <jack|h> any suggestions?
[05:27] <reon> haapamik, done a update & upgrade ?
[05:27] <Entity> LinuxJones, I'm not installing a new kernel
[05:27] <haapamik> reon: yes
[05:27] <memer> reon: well, it's basically debian but with their own installer and a kind of control area that you can use to set up sound, install java, flash, fix your resolution, wash your dishes...
[05:27] <Entity> LinuxJones, my system is up to date
[05:28] <oly_> eeek, help any way i can end totem it has frozenand taken the rest of my gui out
[05:28] <Entity> LinuxJones, I'm trying to use madwifi ;)
[05:28] <oly_> i can get to a commadn line using ctrl + alt + f1
[05:28] <reon> memer, sounds like something for me ? got a link to a guide ?
[05:28] <reon> brb
[05:28] <LinuxJones> Entity, what I am saying is that the kernel module that your using, is probably corrupted or not compiled correctly. If you try another kernel it might solve the problem.
[05:28] <oly_> is there anything i can do to kill that specific app ?
[05:28] <memer> reon: www.libranet.com
[05:29] <sophie_> memer hi
[05:29] <oly_> is there a shortcut key to force quit ?
[05:29] <oly_> anyone got any suggestions i dont really want to reboot
[05:29] <LinuxJones> Entity, what's the module name your trying to load again ?
[05:29] <memer> sophie: heya
[05:29] <zenrox> alt+ctrl+backspace
[05:29] <sophie_> memer i'll need some help
[05:30] <oly_> yeah but i will loose stuff i am workin on
[05:30] <zenrox> on in x
[05:30] <reon> memer, thanks, I'll check it out now. is it a straight forward install on ubuntu ?
[05:30] <oly_> i just want to end totem
[05:30] <zenrox> only in x
[05:30] <haapamik> what bootscript runs dhclient3 ???
[05:30] <memer> sophie: i doubt i'll be able to help, but i'll try...
[05:30] <sophie_> memer i 'd like to read dvds on HOARY
[05:30] <zenrox> oh
[05:30] <thoreauputic> oly_: try typing xkill in a terminal, then zap with your mouse
[05:30] <memer> reon: coming
[05:31] <Entity> LinuxJones, I try to load ath_pci, but it then should load ath_hal, wlan, ath_rate
[05:31] <sophie_> memer any suggestion about repositories ?
[05:31] <oly_> hum, thoreauputic xkill says cant get display
[05:31] <thoreauputic> oly_: the cursor changes to a sort of gun-sight ;)
[05:31] <Entity> LinuxJones, same error for all modules
[05:31] <wjesus_axl> hey jason
[05:31] <wjesus_axl> I'm installin the restricted modules
[05:31] <oly_> is that perhaps because ctrl + alt + f1 is seperate to f7 ?
[05:31] <wjesus_axl> from hoary
[05:31] <thoreauputic> oly_: in X, not console
[05:31] <oly_> x gui has frozen
[05:32] <shevegen> hi, question, when i use "apt-get install build-essential", will it need to download remote files? am asking cuz i want to install on PCs without internet connection
[05:32] <oly_> hence the prob :p
[05:32] <wjesus_axl> I guess I need to get rid of the old drivers because the madwifi has some drivers for atheros
[05:32] <thoreauputic> oly_: then try  kilall totem
[05:32] <memer> sophie: i knew this would be quick ;-)  i'm way out of my depth on that. reon: i'm sorry to tell you that adminmenu is part of the distro. honestly, i'm much more a neophyte than you
[05:32] <thoreauputic> killall sorry
[05:32] <zenrox> oly then if x froze alt_ctrl+backspace is all you can do
[05:32] <oly_> thxs a lot The-Ghost|afk
[05:33] <oly_> thxs a lot thoreauputic
[05:33] <oly_> that worked perfectly
[05:33] <thoreauputic> oly_: Ok
[05:33] <thoreauputic> uh -huh
[05:33] <oly_> ended totem, and the gui works again yay
[05:33] <kapputu> guys I screwed up my partitions in my desktop
[05:33] <kapputu> I need to reinstall Ubuntu now
[05:33] <dmoyne> hello ! ; if I want to install debian packages from "http://packages.debian.org/testing" what should I add as a new source in synaptic : "URI=http://packages.debian.org/testing" ; what else ? ; thanks.
[05:33] <kapputu> when I try to do that, I only see hda
[05:33] <kapputu> but I do have a ext3 partition
[05:34] <Entity> djp, so I added the tree lines at the end, what's next?
[05:34] <navreet> hi, just dist-upgraded to hoary... when Xorg started (instead of XFree86), it maxed out my resolution to 1024x768... my native resolution is 1280x1024, how can I fix it?
[05:35] <djp> Entity: reboot
[05:35] <Entity> djp, WARNING: Error inserting ath_hal (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath_hal/ath_hal.ko): Invalid module format
[05:35] <Entity> djp, damn, Windows style right? ;)
[05:35] <kapputu> Entity: they are trying to fix that
[05:35] <kapputu> I went back to 2.6.8
[05:36] <reon> sophie, do you want to play movies ?
[05:36] <Entity> kapputu, ok let's reboot that ppc notebook
[05:36] <djp> Entity: that link only works if you are getting the message at boot when hotplugs load, it may not be relevant to your problem...
[05:37] <pi> Has anybody in hoary using gnome gotten xinerama to work properly?
[05:39] <kapputu> how's Ranish Partition Manager
[05:40] <craigaa> when mounting a CD-ROM with nautilus in browse mode, and the tree sidebar enabled, a cd-rom device appears in the tree pane. How do I get this to happen with mounted hard drives?
[05:42] <Absynthe> holy crap.....  Insight did upgrade my cable modem.
[05:42] <navreet> hi, Xorg is not detecting my max resolution, how can I fix this?!
[05:42] <Absynthe> I'm in the process of dist-upgrade on this pc, and the otherone just benchmarked 3025 down....
[05:42] <Seveas> .close
[05:42] <sophie_> memer i 'd like to play dvd on hoary
[05:43] <PacoBCN> sophie, seen the howtos?
[05:43] <Absynthe> sophie_, I did a google search for +ubuntu +mplayer and came up with a solution.
[05:43] <Entity> djp, kapputu , same errors :WARNING: Error inserting ath_hal (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath_hal/ath_hal.ko): Invalid module format WARNING: Error inserting wlan (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/net80211/wlan.ko): Invalid module format WARNING: Error inserting ath_rate_onoe (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath_rate/onoe/ath_rate_onoe.ko): Invalid module format FA
[05:43] <Entity> TAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath_pci.ko): Invalid module format
[05:43] <Absynthe> found an article on turning ubuntu into a multimedia powerhouse or something like that.
[05:44] <memer> absynthe: phew
[05:44] <Absynthe> memer ?
[05:44] <memer> absynthe: whut the?
[05:44] <memer> absynthe: i thot you were just about to give sophie the goods. then she signs off?
[05:45] <Absynthe> heh....
[05:45] <Quest-Master> navreet: sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg -- I believe
[05:45] <Loevborg> anyone have a clue why playing encrypted dvds with totem/xine/... is painfully slow? (on a fast machine)
[05:45] <Absynthe> I suppose I can do the googlesearch again, and actually get the URL :)
[05:45] <memer> i was feelin guilty cuz i had no answers
[05:45] <kapputu> navreet: if u are using a laptop, install xorg-driver-synaptics as well
[05:45] <memer> ohhh, i see. she prolly thot you were bein a smartass
[05:45] <bleb_> I have dist-upgraded to hoary in march, but it looks like my nvidia driver is always breaking (have to reinstall it again, and right now no matter what I do I can't run GL programs), and my boot process is really slow (2 minutes on a P4 2.6hz with 1gb of ram!). Do anyone think doing a fresh install of hoary may solve some things?
[05:45] <memer> heh
[05:46] <navreet> Quest-Master, thanks.. this tool is great! :)... but this is a bug, it should've worked out of the box. oh well
[05:46] <Absynthe> wow a google search of: +ubuntu +mplayer = the first and second article will get you sorted out.
[05:46] <rapha> Hi all!
[05:46] <gfxstyler> hi
[05:46] <Absynthe> http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[05:46] <memer> so anybody else here with experience putting ubuntu on mac?
[05:46] <gfxstyler> i formatted my mp3 player with linux and now it cannot read any files anymore
[05:47] <gfxstyler> how can i fix that?
[05:47] <memer> absynthe: i hope she saw that
[05:47] <Absynthe> I'm sure she didn't...
[05:47] <memer> wattayagonna do?
[05:47] <memer> *shrugs*
[05:48] <Entity> djp, Kapputu, I need to put the module names in the blacklist file? or the module name shown in the FAQ?
[05:48] <Absynthe> while I like to help when I can, I still subscribe to the RTFM, and FGI philosiphies.
[05:48] <Absynthe> that's it, no more SAT words before my first pot of coffee is gone.
[05:48] <sproingie> Absynthe: FGI?
[05:48] <memer> FGI?
[05:48] <Absynthe> flarking google it.
[05:48] <thr1ce> fucking google it?
[05:48] <sproingie> ah, JFGI
[05:48] <thr1ce> lol
[05:48] <MaDsKiLLz_Laptop> just gotta say, hoary is very nice
[05:48] <memer> heh
[05:48] <MaDsKiLLz_Laptop> ^.^
[05:48] <sproingie> i dont recognize it without the J
[05:48] <MaDsKiLLz_Laptop> props to the ubuntu team
[05:49] <Absynthe> anyone here ever spend a lot of time working on a redhat, or Forsakencore distro?
[05:49] <sproingie> jfgi doesnt work for very recent breakage of course.  need a good search front end for bug databases
[05:49] <Loevborg> I another thing: is it possible to duplicate a video dvd using k3b?
[05:50] <Absynthe> I'
[05:50] <thr1ce> not copywritten DVD
[05:50] <kapputu> anyone help with Partition Managers??
[05:50] <kapputu> I screwed up my Windows partitions and now I cannot install Ubuntu
[05:50] <sproingie> Absynthe: i partly admin a RHEL box at work.  but  dont actually touch the redhat side of things much, i use openpkg on it
[05:50] <Loevborg> thr1ce, what do you mean?
[05:50] <thr1ce> a movie DVD?
[05:50] <Absynthe> i'd like to credit the Ubuntu team for coming up with a way to upgrade the entire operating system in two command lines, vs.....  "up2date"
[05:50] <sproingie> Absynthe: thank debian for that
[05:50] <Loevborg> thr1ce, yes.
[05:50] <Absynthe> sproingie, is it just me, or is up2date a royal pain in the ass.
[05:51] <thr1ce> upgradepkg works fine ^_^
[05:51] <reon> Absynthe, just wish they would do a nice idiot proof admin utility
[05:51] <sproingie> Absynthe: for me it isn't, because they had the lack of sense to install RHEL without provisioning credits
[05:51] <sproingie> Absynthe: so i can't even use it.  ergo i use openpkg to install stuff
[05:52] <sproingie> god forbid there's *ever* a security hole that needs patching.  ah well it's just a lab machine, firewalled like hell
[05:52] <Absynthe> my workstation at work is on fc3 of some revision or another....  If it wasn't going to take me so long to get all the windows software working correctly, I'd format it, and load ubuntu on it.
[05:52] <sproingie> the quasi-production suse9 box OTOH, has been like buttah
[05:53] <sproingie> i highly recommend suse9 over rhel unless you know exactly what you need rhel specifically for
[05:53] <Entity> kapputu, you went back to what kernel?
[05:53] <sproingie> e.g. oracle is easier to get support for with rhel
[05:53] <kapputu> <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386
[05:54] <sproingie> 'course for everything else i recommend debian, and now i'm an ubuntu convert :)
[05:54] <caff> as am i
[05:54] <djp> Entity: the module name
[05:54] <sproingie> thought the name was silly, but it kinda grows on ya
[05:54] <sproingie> it's fun to say "ubuntu"
[05:54] <Entity> djp, but will I be able to use that module after that?
[05:54] <Absynthe> when upgrading from warty to hoary, it asks several times if I want to keep an old file, or install a new one.  what's the recomended method, on what's basically a base install?
[05:54] <caff> apt-get is new to me but heh itll do
[05:55] <pi> Absynthe: if you haven't really edited the config files, take the new ones
[05:55] <Absynthe> pi thanks
[05:56] <sproingie> ia32-libs is still broken BTW...  how would i file a bug on it?
[05:56] <sproingie> i've never actually filed a debian bug before
[05:57] <sproingie> and if it's a debian thing and not ubuntu specifically, does it get passed upstream?
[05:57] <navreet> hi, when I upgraded to hoary, my sound stopped working :(
[05:57] <roam> Does anybody have a pointer do an isdn howto for hoary?
[05:57] <kapputu> can you switch b/w KDE and GNOME in Ubuntu?
[05:57] <thr1ce> xwmconfig?
[05:57] <sproingie> kapputu: yep.  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:57] <kapputu> I tried the live CD and it's cool
[05:58] <sproingie> or just apt-get install kde if you prefer to cherry pick
[05:58] <kapputu> lots of eyecandy
[05:58] <pi> navreet: Open a terminal and run 'alsamixer', does that identify your sound card correctly?
[05:58] <navreet> pi, yes
[05:58] <navreet> pi, it also has all the volumes set correctly, and nothing is muted
[05:58] <thr1ce> what are you tryi9ng to play music in?
[05:59] <navreet> pi, also, xmms crashes... I am using aplay
[05:59] <pi> navreet: what window manager?
[05:59] <navreet> pi, gnome
[05:59] <pi> navreet: does xmms crash when you try to play, or on load?
[06:00] <navreet> pi, on load
[06:00] <St3althcAt> back to annoy u! :)
[06:00] <sproingie> is there a commandline proggie to file a bug on a package?
[06:00] <sproingie> like apt-bug?
[06:00] <navreet> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:00] <navreet> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:00] <St3althcAt> well I've sucessfuly installed gcc and the speedtouch drivers
[06:00] <pi> navreet: have you tried a different kernel?
[06:00] <navreet> pi, just rebooted with .10
[06:01] <St3althcAt> but I use the command copy speedtouch....zip to /etc/speedtouch/ and i get the error: bash: copy:, something like that
[06:01] <navreet> pi, ::sigh:: this seems to be so buggy
[06:01] <St3althcAt> but I use the command copy speedtouch....zip to /etc/speedtouch/ and i get the error: bash: copy: command not found, something like that
[06:01] <LinuxJones> navreet, you need to install libmikmod
[06:01] <pi> navreet: could you check that the appropriate modules are loaded?
[06:02] <navreet> LinuxJones, shouldn't apt do that for me?
[06:02] <LinuxJones> navreet, for some reason it's not listed as a dependency you need libmikmod2
[06:02] <St3althcAt> can anyone help me? :)
[06:02] <navreet> LinuxJones, should I file a bug report? (it works now btw)
[06:03] <LinuxJones> navreet, it's been that way for a while. Sure file a bug ;)
[06:04] <St3althcAt> lol is my question that "noobish"?
[06:04] <thr1ce> copy?
[06:04] <thr1ce> cp?
[06:04] <St3althcAt> OH YEAH!
[06:04] <St3althcAt> lol
[06:04] <LinuxJones> St3althcAt, :)
[06:04] <St3althcAt> remember now
[06:04] <djp> anyone know how to get to the login screen when your monitor does not support resolutions higher than 800x600? all i get at present is a black scree and the monitor light starts to flash...
[06:04] <St3althcAt> lol
[06:04] <sproingie> St3althcAt: if no one knows, you get silence.  it's irc etiquette to not spam a channel with "dunno" responses
[06:05] <djg> CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:05] <St3althcAt> gonna try, want to get internet workin on linux
[06:05] <St3althcAt> cya
[06:05] <farruinn> djp: sounds like you need to fix your XF86Config-4
[06:05] <djg> djp: CTRL+ALT+F1 will get you the first terminal.
[06:05] <pi> Has anybody in hoary using gnome gotten xinerama to work properly?
[06:05] <sproingie> or in this case, no one listened.  yes, there is no "copy" command.  sigh
[06:05] <farruinn> djp: make sure your horizontal and vertical refresh rates aren't out of range
[06:05] <djg> reon: Got it working (finally).
[06:06] <nanomad> i've a question: whenever i try to start tvtime (in a terminal) it complains about YUY2 extension, and suggest to use gatos drivers. I'd like to use my fglrx. is there a way to fix all?
[06:06] <Rafael_Kafka> if i chooae use free space in ubuntu installation what happen?
[06:07] <farruinn> sproingie: what? doesn't he want cp?
[06:07] <Rafael_Kafka> i need install in hdc5
[06:07] <pi> Rafael_Kafka: that's just using space from an unpartitioned part of the disk
[06:07] <bleb_> Hi, I've dist-upgraded to hoary in march, but it looks like my nvidia driver is always breaking (and right now no matter what I do I can't run GL programs), and my boot process is really slow (2 minutes on a P4 2.6hz with 1gb of ram!). Do anyone think doing a fresh install of hoary may solve some things?
[06:07] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: you can have the free space automatically partitioned
[06:07] <thr1ce> bleb_, /topic
[06:07] <bleb_> topic?
[06:07] <sproingie> farruinn: yah but he got impatient and left.  oh well
[06:07] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: but i need install in hdc5
[06:08] <reon> bleb_ When is the las time you did a update/upgrade ?
[06:08] <sproingie> methinks if one doesn't know the cp command, they should stick to gui
[06:08] <djp> djg: yeah thanks guys i was just doing that... how do i go about altering the XFSConfig-4 file?
[06:08] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: I don't understand what th eproblem is...
[06:08] <critter> Can anyone Recommend couple really good sites to d/l apps ??
[06:08] <farruinn> critter: use synaptic, it's built in
[06:08] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: the problem is that ubuntu give me free ptions
[06:08] <sproingie> critter: enable multiverse and universe.  thousands of apps right there
[06:08] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: format one of my hd's
[06:09] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: or use free space
[06:09] <djtansey> this is non-ubuntu specific (but necessary for an ubuntu install). i need a small linux image that can be loaded into memory from grub (vmlinuz/initrd.gz pair). i need it to split a windows fat32 partition i have (so i can mount a ubuntu install CD image as a loopback device) and then i need an ubuntu install cd that has support for the module loop. help?
[06:09] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: but i need use hdc5
[06:09] <thoreauputic> critter: much easier to use the package manager, synaptic
[06:09] <critter> Ive enabled all the sites in the list
[06:09] <Marble2> is there any good programs in linux for mass editing id3 tags?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> critter: then you have over 13 000 apps to choose from...
[06:10] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: and hdc5 isn't one of the options, is that what you're saying?
[06:10] <sproingie> djtansey: i recommend splitting the partition first before anything else.  google for "system rescue cd" and use qtparted
[06:10] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: yes
[06:10] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: btw, hdc is *usually* the cdrom...
[06:10] <Rotund> has anyone here done diskless ubuntu?
[06:10] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: in my pc is the second hd
[06:10] <djtansey> sproingie: yeah -- but i have no CDrom... so it has to be a rescue CD i can boot the image from grub (which i have working alongside windows)
[06:10] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: cdrom is hdd in my pc
[06:11] <mattgirv> Is there a better GUI for VLC, some sort of frontend, because I am really not getting on with the VLC interface.
[06:11] <critter> Was really looking for a good gui virus scanner .. None in the packages that I could see..
[06:11] <djtansey> sproingie: i will be wiping windows when i do hte install. old laptop -- i have nothing. and ubuntu doesn't support my stupid wifi card so  ican't install from the network
[06:11] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: oh, select to do "advanced" or "manual" partition
[06:11] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: i select
[06:11] <reon> bleb_ ?
[06:12] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: and then they just give me the 3 option
[06:12] <sproingie> djtansey: i didn't know grub could boot an iso image copied to a partition... there's a weird trick in bsd installers to do that, but i dont know anything more about it
[06:12] <nanomad> critter: virus scanner?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> critter: why do you need a virus scanner?
[06:12] <farruinn> critter: you're using LINUX, that's anti-virus in and of itself
[06:12] <farruinn> (or at least that's how I look at it)
[06:12] <critter> Doesnt everyone?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> critter: are you admin on a windows network or something?
[06:13] <Marble2> How do I get all my windows fonts onto ubuntu?
[06:13] <critter> Really . Im very new to linux
[06:13] <farruinn> critter: the only possible reason you would want to use anti-virus software would be to protect your friends
[06:13] <farruinn> critter: there are virtually no viruses for linux
[06:13] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: a friend talk me about an boot option for ubuntu give me more partions options
[06:13] <thoreauputic> critter: viruses just aren't an issue in linux
[06:13] <sproingie> critter: "gui virus scanner" for what, gui viruses?  you can google for linux antivirus and get half a dozen hits, some have webby front ends
[06:13] <djtansey> sproingie: it can't. it can boot ubuntu's installer (vmlinuz/initrd.gz) from the partition and then the installer can loopback an ISO. but grub can load a virtual floppy image -- trying to find one with parted that is only one disk
[06:13] <Marble2> I'm at corefonts.sf.net but Ubuntu doesn't use rpms does it?
[06:13] <critter> I do have to other windows system connected to this one
[06:13] <critter> two
[06:13] <sproingie> thoreauputic: not against linux, but it's nice to have an AV for a mail spool
[06:13] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: but i don't know and he don't know what command
[06:13] <skora> Marble2, no it doesnt
[06:13] <skora> it uses DEBs
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: hrm, it should be on the same screen that you're looking at now...
[06:14] <thoreauputic> sproingie: that's why I asked if he had a windows network
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: or maybe you need to select the "repartion harddrive" first and that will allow you to do it manually
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: so you can select hdc
[06:14] <Marble2> they don
[06:14] <critter> I did a google search found nothing that worked
[06:14] <Marble2> they don't offer a deb
[06:14] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: do you know this boot option for ubuntu cd give me the option for format hdc5?
[06:14] <Marble2> So how do I get some windows fonts here?
[06:14] <sproingie> djtansey: i suspect you'll need multiple steps.  if you have hardware access, it might be better to steal another machine's cdrom and drop it in
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: I don't think you need a boot option
[06:15] <trey_> Marble2: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:15] <thoreauputic> sproingie: I guess if you run your own mail server ...
[06:15] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: i can't fomat all hdc, i just can't format hdc5
[06:15] <Marble2> thanks trey
[06:15] <sproingie> i find probably 95% of viruses can be stopped by filtering on attachment content-type  and extensions
[06:15] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: did you select "format harddrive" and hit return?
[06:15] <farruinn> er, enter
[06:15] <djtansey> sproingie: it's a laptop, and i don't have a usb CDROM. or a pcmcia ethernet card. i pretty much am forced to install it from the harddrive
[06:15] <trey_> Marble2: any others... just throw them in /usr/share/fonts
[06:16] <srid> any phone recording software for linux?
[06:16] <sproingie> i wouldn't sell that as a safe antivirus, but it will keep your spool size down
[06:16] <mattgirv> srid, Kphonerec
[06:16] <critter> SO how does Linux Stop email virus???
[06:16] <srid> mattgirv, i have only gnome installed :-(
[06:16] <Quest-Master> critter: E-mail viruses are designed to kill Windows systems
[06:16] <djtansey> sproingie: maybe i could just mirror some linux distribution that is already laid-out (doesn't require an installer) and then work from there.
[06:16] <Quest-Master> critter: And Linux is not Windows :)
[06:16] <farruinn> critter: does your ubuntu box act as a mail server for your other computers?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> critter: it doesn't need to - 99.99% of viruses only run on windows
[06:16] <Marble2> trey_: Where did it install those fonts I just got to?
[06:17] <farruinn> critter: if it doesn't don't worry about it
[06:17] <sproingie> djtansey: hm, no cd and no net.  challenging ...  how are you going to transfer the iso image over?
[06:17] <critter> No it doesnt
[06:17] <srid> mattgirv, no such software
[06:17] <srid> mattgirv, you dahs
[06:17] <mattgirv> :(
[06:17] <mattgirv> lol
[06:17] <critter> Cool
[06:17] <trey_> Marble2: see for yourself... 'dpkg -L msttcorefonts'
[06:17] <sproingie> djtansey: built-in ethernet or just some winmodem?
[06:17] <JDahl> critter, how is linux vulnerable to email viruses?
[06:17] <andrewski> is it possible to read SACDs in linux?  i'm not sure if my drive's not supported, or if it's the driver.
[06:17] <trey_> Marble2: should be /usr/share/fonts though  :/
[06:18] <mattgirv> sorry srid :P did sound linuxey tho huh? :P
[06:18] <thoreauputic> critter: welcome to a well-designed OS ;)
[06:18] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: i cant formart all hdc
[06:18] <_d4vid> http://raus.de/crashme
[06:18] <sproingie> JDahl: technically someone could mail a script, tho linux puts up some barriers there.  mostly it's the fact that they eat up space
[06:18] <andrewski> i guess i should say "the cd portion of sacds"
[06:18] <critter> Jdahl No clue new to Linux
[06:18] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: I just burnt the hoary preview release cd, I'm going to install that now, I'll let you know what I do when I'm back
[06:18] <djtansey> sproingie: ancient (1998?) ultralight. one usb. audio in/out. pcmcia. nothing else.
[06:19] <thoreauputic> critter: well, there's one thing less to worry about for you :)
[06:19] <critter> Thore I did not know that . Thanks for the learning exp.. LOL
[06:19] <sproingie> djtansey: i'm curious how you'll get the iso image onto it then.  anyway, you can get ntfsresize on a floppy, then format the new partition as fat in windows
[06:20] <thoreauputic> critter: hehe.... you're welcome :-)
[06:20] <critter> I guess I'll go and setup my email on here
[06:21] <critter> Ive held off doing it till I had a scanner installed
[06:21] <JDahl> sproingie, I remember receiving one those linux email viruses as a joke.. In the bottom if the email it said "please forward this email to people in your address book, save attachemnt "xxx.sh" to disk then log in as root and type sh ./xxx.sh"
[06:21] <sproingie> djtansey: i suspect you'll need a full-blown partition editor.  google for parted floppy,  or partman floppy
[06:21] <djtansey> sproingie: this is the plan -- split the partition. make a 550mb one. put the ISO of ubuntu (hopefully) onto that partition. configure grub to use that ISO's vmlinuz/initrd.gz pair and then mount the iso as a loopback device from a shell in the installer. then it will install from the ISO. then i wipe the ISO and merge it back into the / partition
[06:21] <Quest-Master> Does the mplayer in Hoary work perfectly fine?
[06:21] <mattgirv> works for me
[06:21] <mattgirv> :)
[06:22] <Marble2> does anyone know what font firefox uses by default in windows?
[06:22] <Rafael_Kafka> how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:22] <thr1ce> mplayer is no more
[06:22] <Marble2> I want to use that, but i'm not sure what it is
[06:22] <djtansey> sproingie: trying. parted has one. but when i booted from it, it seemed to indicate i needed another floppy. researching that.
[06:22] <Quest-Master> thr1ce: why?
[06:22] <andrewski> are there any screensavers/desktop backgrounds that react to playing music?  i remember using something like that in winamp in windows.
[06:22] <mattgirv> thr1ce, what are you talking about.
[06:22] <sproingie> djtansey: yah it's probably a multi-floppy thing.  you just stick the other floppy in and hit a key
[06:22] <mattgirv> it is still 100% alive
[06:22] <thr1ce> go to their homepage
[06:22] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: yes it is - the site message is just a political statement
[06:22] <critter> xmms is the only player that works on mine
[06:22] <mattgirv> yeah... that doesn't mean mplayer doesn't exist anymore
[06:22] <djtansey> sproingie: i have no floppy drive :) -- i'm using virtual floppies from images on windows through grub
[06:23] <thr1ce> This site has been shut down because of numerous patent violations in MPlayer. The other free software multimedia players are next.
[06:23] <thr1ce> that is not a political statement
[06:23] <mattgirv> er.. link at the bottom
[06:23] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: the site is stil accessible
[06:23] <mattgirv> and mplayer is also in the hoary repos.
[06:23] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: you didn't read far enough
[06:23] <mattgirv> afaik ...
[06:23] <sproingie> djtansey: no floppy, no cdrom, no network.  you have yourself a real big challenge
[06:23] <cocol> sudo apt-get install mplayer-nogui mozilla-mplayer mplayer-fonts
[06:24] <djtansey> sproingie: yeah -- but i have network when in windows (the linksys i use card isn't supported in linux)
[06:24] <sproingie> djtansey: i hesitate to ask how you're going to install anything on linux
[06:24] <neighborlee> why does installing 'nvidia-glx' create the /lib/tls DIR ?..I had to mv /lib/tls /lib/tls.bak to get some of my opengl  game devel library examples to work right...??? ( the escape key was  not functioning but hanging instead the app from exiting)
[06:24] <sproingie> djtansey: you sure?  most linksys hardware is decently supported.  it's probably a dec/intel tulip driver.  use a 2.6 kernel, should work fine
[06:24] <mattgirv> djtansey, just mess around with VMware or something tbh.
[06:24] <andrewski> is there anything we americans can do about the software patent situation?
[06:24] <JDahl> andrewski, no
[06:25] <Rafael_Kafka> how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:25] <andrewski> JDahl: :(
[06:25] <sproingie> andrewski: oddly, microsoft is pushing for patent reform
[06:25] <Quest-Master> djtansey: You can use ndiswrapper with Linksys
[06:25] <djtansey> sproingie: i am going to get the thing to work with ndiswrapper once i have ubuntu installed. it's a 802.11g linksys card that google says isn't supported.
[06:25] <andrewski> sproingie: hmm, interesting.  have a link to a story?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> andrewski: support the civil disobedience that will follow if the parliament passes the directive
[06:25] <djtansey> Quest-Master: i intend to. but i can't use it for the install.
[06:25] <sproingie> andrewski: it's all over google news
[06:25] <mattgirv> djtansey, just mess around with VMware or something tbh.
[06:25] <sproingie> andrewski: news.google.com, search for microsoft patent reform
[06:25] <andrewski> sproingie: ok, thanks.
[06:25] <djtansey> mattgirv: what is tbh? and how would vmware help?
[06:26] <Quest-Master> How can I fully remove a program I've compiled?
[06:26] <sproingie> MS is a latecomer to the patent war, they stand to lose a lot if it keeps up
[06:26] <andrewski> why does mplayer need xmms?  what the crap?!
[06:26] <mattgirv> vmware is a virtual machine, so you run linux or whatever os from within windows.
[06:26] <sproingie> i just thought they'd tough it out for a decade and build up the portfolio.  who knew
[06:26] <mattgirv> you can even create a network bridge so you can use your windows connection
[06:26] <mattgirv> tbh = to be honest
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: there's sometimes a "make uninstall" script
[06:27] <djtansey> mattgirv: i want windows gone. this is an old laptop i picked up from some discarding it. i am a linux zealot -- i'll be happy when windows is dropped. and the thing is from 1998 or so. 300 mhz. 4gb harddrive. it doesn't have space or speed for both
[06:27] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: use checkinstall to make a deb next time
[06:27] <spenser> ubuntu has issues with vmware though
[06:27] <tolstoy_> is the problem with the nvidia drivers solved for the most recent Hoary kernel?
[06:27] <lunitik> sproingie: why is it strange? they get sued more than anyone else... its good for them if its harder for others to sue them!
[06:27] <djtansey> mattgirv: tbh -- now i get it. thanks.
[06:27] <andrewski> tolstoy_: no problems here.
[06:27] <Rafael_Kafka> how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:27] <Quest-Master> thoreauputic: Ok
[06:27] <lunitik> sproingie: they lost over 2 billion last year in 2 lawsuits (sun and novell) ...
[06:27] <mattgirv> djtansey, if you aren't going to have an internet connection, and you don't have a floppy or a cdrom it really is pointless....
[06:27] <mattgirv> sorry but windows is a much more viable option :P
[06:28] <tolstoy_> andrewski, okay.  yesterday, i was getting "invalid module format" for nvidia.ko.
[06:28] <lunitik> mattgirv: then use it?
[06:28] <spenser> hehe
[06:28] <mattgirv> lunitik, ?
[06:28] <andrewski> tolstoy_: dunno.
[06:28] <srid> duh! no ubuntu package for linux-kernel-2.4?
[06:28] <Rafael_Kafka> please help me how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:28] <djtansey> mattgirv: i will get the interent to work eventually. you can get my wireless card to work with ndiswrapper.
[06:28] <lunitik> mattgirv: eh... didn't see statement prior...
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: checkinstall is a nice little app - and you can apt-get install it of course
[06:28] <mattgirv> heh
[06:29] <helio7> hey is anyone aware of a printer utility (hp932C) that would let me a) check ink level and b) clean the cartridges?  in 3 months I haven't been forced to boot to Windows, but needing clean photo-printout may be the catch...
[06:29] <JDahl> Quest-Master, as a rule of thumb, if you're just experimenting then dont install as root, rather install somewhere in your home directory,,, then removing it in a harmless way is just a matter of deleting the directories
[06:29] <spenser> i have 3 different wireless pcmcia cards and they all work flawlessly with linux.
[06:29] <lunitik> spenser: wanna send one this way?  :P
[06:29] <thunkee> hi
[06:30] <NeoCicak> question: how do i make it so that module opl3sa2 is loaded automatically everytime i boot my computer, and also, that the command "ln -sf /dev/mixer1 /dev/mixer" is executed on every boot
[06:30] <lunitik> NeoCicak: put it in /etc/modules
[06:30] <thoreauputic> helio7: no button on the printer to clean the cartridges?
[06:30] <andrewski> lunitik: i just tried to send you mine, but it doesn't seem like your wireless card is accepting connections. :P
[06:30] <spenser> lunitik:  i use them all ;)
[06:30] <NeoCicak> what about the command? (ln -sf) ?
[06:30] <helio7> thoreauputic: not that would be nice
[06:31] <spenser> lunitik:  2 support rfmon mode easy and the other one takes a little work, but i need all of them for my notebooks.  you can pick one up cheap though.
[06:31] <thoreauputic> NeoCicak: try appending it to the script /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[06:31] <mattgirv> haha printers.. i used an Amiga (A500) and an old Star printer for my last college assignment
[06:32] <navreet> hi, I was going to file a bugreport and found a similar bug (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6328) can anyone tell me what "needs merge" in the Status Whiteboard means??
[06:32] <NeoCicak> ok...
[06:32] <NeoCicak> i'll try to boot now..
[06:32] <navreet> it seems like they found the solution, but haven't updated the repositories?
[06:32] <lunitik> spenser: eh... I was kidding... wireless seems like a pain in the butt though... always takes a while here, so I just use wired atm
[06:33] <spenser> lunitik:  wireless is easy as hell.
[06:33] <andrewski> and hell's pretty easy.
[06:33] <Rafael_Kafka> aione can help me how can i install bootstrap?
[06:33] <spenser> lunitik:  i have 2 notebooks that i can take with me and pick up a wireless signal just about anywhere.
[06:33] <lunitik> spenser: except when card isn't actually supported...
[06:33] <lunitik> spenser: I really don't care though, just made a comment  :/
[06:34] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: apt-get install debootstrap  :/
[06:34] <spenser> lunitik:  why would you get a card thats not supported?
[06:34] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: It should be installed already...
[06:34] <lunitik> spenser: dude... leave it alone.
[06:34] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: i did his but now i need run bootstrap
[06:34] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: read the docs?
[06:34] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:34] <spenser> lunitik:  dude, why bring it up?
[06:34] <spenser> dude
[06:35] <sproingie> dude, it's a dell
[06:35] <sproingie> oh way
[06:35] <spenser> hehe
[06:35] <djp> ok, i am about to try and edit my XF86Config-4 file. what changes do i need to make in order to support an older monitor that cannot go any higher than 800x600?
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: yes, i am searching in google
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: but i did not find
[06:35] <mattgirv> *fight* *fight* *fight* *fight*
[06:35] <sproingie> djp: delete all the resolutions in the conf file that refer to higher resolutions
[06:35] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: man debootstrap ... and /usr/share/doc/debootstrap
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: so i just need the command to run
[06:35] <Marble2> how come every time I try to install the new gaim 1.1.4, I get this error running make
[06:35] <Marble2> greg@Greg:~/gaim-1.1.4 $ make
[06:35] <Marble2> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> i seu ,did not work
[06:36] <critter> This is my burning question.When I Install I package,I can't always find it. Windows you can always find it 99% of the time in Program Files. Where dows Linux put them by Defaut???
[06:36] <Marble2> critter: /usr/bin
[06:36] <lunitik> Marble2: 1.1.4 is in the archive... why not use that?
[06:36] <critter> TY TY TY TY
[06:36] <sproingie> critter: similar situation, under the "foot" or the K menu
[06:36] <djp> sproingie: ok, thanks
[06:36] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: mi sheel in knoppix did say no entry for bootstrap
[06:37] <sproingie> i wish gnome or kde had a similar trick as windows of hilighting new apps
[06:37] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: i try the bootstrap of how to but did not work, so i download the new bootstrap
[06:37] <lunitik> critter: 'dpkg -L pkg' will tell you where it put things.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Marble2: also sounds like you didn't run ./configure?
[06:37] <sproingie> better would be to have a whole extra "new apps" menu, with an option of "clear new apps" you can click manually
[06:37] <critter> That would be nice for newbies :)
[06:38] <lunitik> sproingie: that would be annoying!
[06:38] <bryan> how do you edit menus in gnome 2.10?
[06:38] <critter> WIll try it
[06:38] <sproingie> lunitik: why?  in kde, you can edit the menu and just not show it
[06:38] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: i just need the command of this bootstrap debootstrap_0.2.45
[06:38] <sproingie> i suppose the menu would have to point out where the new apps were in the main menu
[06:38] <sproingie> otherwise it's pointless
[06:38] <lunitik> sproingie: I don't use KDE though, GNOME 2.10 has no menu editor
[06:38] <pi> Has anybody in hoary had trouble with the trash not wanting to empty?
[06:38] <sproingie> lunitik: stby
[06:39] <lunitik> sproingie: what?
[06:39] <sproingie> lunitik: Sucks To Be You.  sorry, the menu editor thing was one of those things that turned me into a partisan
[06:39] <thunkee> is there a program to configure xorg btw which program does the installer use to configure resolution/refresh?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> critter: to find an app, try typing ` which <nameofapp> `
[06:39] <sproingie> that and the gratuitous reversal of "yes" and "no" buttons
[06:39] <bryan> thunkee:  if you've got a ATI, you can do fglrxconfig
[06:40] <lunitik> sproingie: kind of a stupid reason to switch... but hey, KDE folks like bloat, maybe your proposal will go over well with them?
[06:40] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: first i try install ubuntu with the cd in hdc5
[06:40] <thoreauputic> critter: without the quotes, of course, in a terminal
[06:40] <critter> Cool Thanks
[06:40] <thunkee> bryan: it's a nvidia mx400
[06:40] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: but he just give me the option of format hd or use free space
[06:40] <sproingie> i can live with spatial nautilus, i can live with the file picker, i cannot deal with abruptly changing the order of "yes" and "no"
[06:41] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: so i find this how to for install with debbootstrap
[06:41] <thoreauputic> critter: and you can usually start an app by typing it's name e,g,  gaim ,  or  firefox etc
[06:41] <laggerzero> a good ol format always fixes things
[06:41] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: but old bootstrap don't work so i download the new
[06:42] <lunitik> sproingie: no reason to live with spatial, just change it back; file picker is basically same now as kde's; I think there is a gconf option to change them back  :/
[06:42] <critter> OK
[06:42] <laggerzero> I've got to admit, ubuntu is probably the best ditro out there based off of debian
[06:42] <sproingie> lunitik: probably why i can live with it.  frankly all i do is run text-oriented apps all day anyway, i could do it in twm for all it matters
[06:42] <mattgirv> Just loaded NeroLINUX and it says I should enable DMA acceleration for my drive.... ehm, how do I do that? :p
[06:42] <jonttu_com> Is there a channel for Finnish people who want to translate ubuntu?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I tend to side with those who think spatial is a brain-damaged idea
[06:43] <laggerzero> why not use k3b?
[06:43] <lunitik> thoreauputic: cool... just don't use spatial?
[06:43] <mattgirv> Sorry but I don't really feel like debating over which application is best, etc....
[06:43] <mattgirv> I wanted to give NeroLINUX a try.
[06:43] <speedy2782> I am in need of a little assistance using ndiswrapper.
[06:43] <sproingie> i like the idea of spatial, and the whole idea of paying attention to consistency of layout over time
[06:44] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: if it isn't already, do  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (if hdc is your burner)
[06:44] <laggerzero> ok, was just making a suggestion
[06:44] <lunitik> mattgirv: its gtk1.2, so not going on this box.
[06:44] <sproingie> it just doesnt ring my bell.  is there a gconf option to switch the order of dialog buttons back?
[06:44] <mattgirv> hdc is indeed my burner :)
[06:44] <lunitik> gtk1.2 is *UGLY*
[06:44] <mattgirv> lunitik, funnily enough NeroLINUX isn't ugly, regardless of it using GTK1.x
[06:44] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I don't - but I get sick of explaining how to disable it on this channel
[06:44] <laggerzero> there are still apps out there using gtk 1.x that are mainstream?
[06:45] <sproingie> mattgirv: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[06:45] <sproingie> mattgirv: put that in a boot script so it runs every time you boot
[06:45] <speedy2782> does anyone in here know much about setting up a wireless card?
[06:45] <mattgirv> oh
[06:45] <laggerzero> i know a little
[06:45] <Marble2> sorry I'm back
[06:45] <laggerzero> i'm about to set up mine
[06:45] <mattgirv> if i do it once, does it not stay permenantly then?
[06:45] <speedy2782> would you be willing to give a little assistance
[06:45] <Marble2> lunitik: the archive shows me 1.0 only?
[06:45] <laggerzero> if you have your windows drivers, use ndiswrapper
[06:45] <Marble2> thoreauputic: i ran ./configure
[06:45] <navreet> is there multiverse for AMD64?
[06:45] <speedy2782> I have been using ndiswrapper
[06:45] <laggerzero> i'm about to install it myself
[06:45] <sproingie> mattgirv: no, it is not permanent
[06:46] <speedy2782> but after I load the .inf the hardware is still NOT present
[06:46] <speedy2782> is there anything I need to do to the pcmcia slot
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Marble2: it would be more sensible to just apt-get install gaim, you know
[06:46] <sproingie> many distros have a hdparm bootup script.  ubuntu does not for whatever reason
[06:46] <laggerzero> not sure, mine is an internal card
[06:46] <laggerzero> did you do a -m aswell?
[06:46] <Marble2> gaim is already the newest version.
[06:46] <Marble2> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:47] <Marble2> when I run it it shows 1.0
[06:47] <laggerzero> nidiswrapper -m installs the module
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Marble2: OK - you're on warty, I guess
[06:47] <speedy2782> I have done just about everything. modprobe ndsiwrapper, sudo modprobe, sudo ndiswrapper -m
[06:47] <Marble2> Yes
[06:47] <speedy2782> you name it, I have tried it
[06:47] <Marble2> I was thinking about upgrading to hoary... but it's still in beta
[06:47] <Marble2> and I'm new to linux, I don't want to mess anything up
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Marble2: any particular burning reason you need to upgrade?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> gaim I mean
[06:48] <Marble2> I just like to keep it up to date
[06:48] <Marble2> yea
[06:48] <mattgirv> sproingie, where is my boot script :P
[06:48] <sproingie> speaking of hdparm, i have a SATA drive, does hdparm make any difference on it?
[06:48] <laggerzero> anything when you do iwconfig?
[06:48] <Marble2> should I just upgrade to hoary?
[06:48] <speedy2782> eth0 and lo
[06:48] <speedy2782> no wlan0
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if gaim works for you, why upgrade it?
[06:48] <laggerzero> yeah its not seeing it
[06:48] <laggerzero> what about ndiswrapper -l
[06:49] <Marble2> I dunno, that's what someone said last time I needed help upgrading. I just like to keep my software current
[06:49] <speedy2782> net8180 Hardware NOT present
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Marble2: well, dist-upgrade to hoary then
[06:49] <thierry> Where can I get the xv module for ubuntu?
[06:49] <sproingie> mattgirv: you need a script in /etc/init.d and a link to it in the runlevel dir, i think it's /etc/rc3.d
[06:49] <mattgirv> eh?
[06:49] <laggerzero> its saying that its not there:/
[06:49] <Marble2> okay
[06:49] <mattgirv> lol nm i will just run it manually on each boot
[06:49] <carbonate> hi
[06:49] <speedy2782> i have a question about the ndiswrapper.
[06:50] <speedy2782> do I need to have something done to my kernel to make it work properly
[06:50] <laggerzero> i'm no expert on it. I'm still learning
[06:50] <sproingie> mattgirv: it's complicated as all hell, not made much easier by this orthodox sysvinit that ubuntu uses
[06:50] <laggerzero> i don't think so
[06:50] <mdblitz1> just have the source available
[06:50] <speedy2782> on their site it says something about haveing the source
[06:50] <mattgirv> heh
[06:50] <laggerzero> hmmm
[06:50] <speedy2782> how do I make sure I have that?
[06:50] <laggerzero> that might be the case
[06:50] <Norgus> excuse me, my friend is installing ubantu and it won't detect his dialup modem
[06:50] <laggerzero> install kernel-tree 2.6.10
[06:50] <Marble2> thoreauputic: apt-get dist-upgrade hoary
[06:50] <mdblitz1> open synaptic and search for your version number
[06:50] <Marble2> right?
[06:51] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: just adding the command at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh should do it fine
[06:51] <navreet> arg, I just installed mplayer, and it told me that /usr/bin/gmplayer was installed, but I can't find it?!?!
[06:51] <mdblitz1> if source is green its installed otherwise, you'll need to install it
[06:51] <speedy2782> cannot do that
[06:51] <Quest-Master> How can I "rm" a directory?
[06:51] <speedy2782> no such file or directory
[06:51] <navreet> Quest-Master, rmdir or rm -fr
[06:51] <mdblitz1> rm -rf directory
[06:51] <mattgirv> navreet you should be able to run just by typing "gmplayer" in Run or a terminal
[06:51] <Quest-Master> navreet: Type in gmplayer
[06:51] <thoreauputic> Marble2: no, you need to change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:51] <Marble2> Quest-Master: rm -rf File/Dir-goes-here
[06:51] <carbonate> i have a problem : since the last hoary upgrade (yesterday, kernel 2.6.10), i have a kernel panic : "pivot_root error, /dev/console : no such file". Is there a solution ?
[06:51] <AndyR> did others find the nvidia xserver broke with latest kernel?
[06:51] <navreet> $ gmplayer
[06:51] <navreet> bash: gmplayer: command not found
[06:52] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[06:52] <mattgirv> try just mplayer
[06:52] <navreet> AndyR, no? i am running both right now
[06:52] <Quest-Master> Open up your /etc/ld.so.conf
[06:52] <navreet> mattgirv, tried that first
[06:52] <dec> i have problem with mplayer on amd64... it's not available
[06:52] <mattgirv> did you install from apt-get
[06:52] <mattgirv> ?
[06:52] <Quest-Master> And add /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/bin in it
[06:52] <Norgus> sorry, does anyone have advice on getting a dialup modem to detect and work?
[06:52] <laggerzero> it took my driver
[06:52] <laggerzero> and i've got a signal
[06:52] <laggerzero> so its not ubuntu
[06:52] <Marble2> thoreauputic: done
[06:52] <Marble2> now what
[06:52] <laggerzero> i don't have the sources installed either
[06:53] <sproingie> must only do so for immediate children
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Marble2:  sudo apt-get update     then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:53] <Marble2> ok thanks
[06:53] <navreet> navreet@Lightwave:~ $ sudo dpkg -S mplayer |grep bin [newline]  mplayer-amd64: /usr/bin/gmplayer [newline]  navreet@Lightwave:~ $ /usr/bin/gmplayer
[06:53] <carbonate> i see that it's a common problem, but seems unsolved
[06:53] <Marble2> btw, that problem with vlc you were sorta helping me with got fixed
[06:53] <Marble2> i think that was you anyway
[06:53] <navreet> bash: /usr/bin/gmplayer: No such file or directory
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Marble2: i hope you don't have any backports installed?
[06:54] <Marble2> I don't even know what a backport is... so i guess not
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Marble2: OK  ;-)
[06:54] <djp> ok, last problem i have is with sound. the soundcard is an ess audiodrive
[06:55] <MYOB> is there a simple reason for why there isn't a trash can icon on the desktop?
[06:55] <sproingie> ess audiodrive, blast from the past
[06:55] <navreet> MYOB, some of them like it clean... it's easy to fix though
[06:55] <laggerzero> I love that hoary has all the latest packages
[06:55] <dec> you can add trash icon to panel
[06:55] <thoreauputic> MYOB: because it's on the panel?
[06:55] <djp> sproingie: for sure. trying to get ubuntu running on my boys pc
[06:55] <laggerzero> but the installer is fubared. doesn't ask you for the root pw unless you do expert setup
[06:55] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: that's intentional
[06:56] <lunitik> laggerzero: thats because Ubuntu uses sudo...
[06:56] <MYOB> is it?
[06:56] <laggerzero> ah
[06:56] <laggerzero> oh well
[06:56] <MYOB> Because I must have removed it then...
[06:56] <carbonate> nobody for my problem ?
[06:56] <laggerzero> i'm used to root
[06:56] <laggerzero> whats the difference?
[06:56] <djp> sproingie: so far so good, managed with help here to alter the XF86Config-4 file and ubuntu is now up and running but no sound...
[06:56] <sproingie> djp: i know it works in linux, but it was like 8 years ago for me, so what i would remember wouldn't help much nowadays
[06:56] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: reading the docs can be enlightening ... ;-)
[06:56] <thierry> I've got problems with my video/sound synchronisation. Can anyone help me? Someone told me yesterday that it was caused because the xv module wasn't running. Where can I get this module? help me please
[06:56] <laggerzero> rtfm :/
[06:56] <ompaul> thoreauputic, what are docs?
[06:56] <MYOB> never mind, added it back again...
[06:57] <laggerzero> man sudo
[06:57] <thoreauputic> ompaul: haha
[06:57] <DazeD||laptop> hey all whats the easiest partition manager for windows?
[06:57] <DazeD||laptop> i need to partition before i install
[06:57] <reon> carbonate, fresh install with a cd ?
[06:57] <sproingie> lunitik: aha, that's why my install experience was so different.  i used expert.  expert also doesn't add the first user to sudoers
[06:57] <Quest-Master> Why do I keep on getting broken package errors when trying to install mplayer through apt on hoary? :(
[06:58] <reon> partition magic is easy
[06:58] <laggerzero> i don't even get mplayer on my apt repositories
[06:58] <DazeD||laptop> thanks reon
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: missing repositories
[06:58] <ompaul> Quest-Master, first do apt-get update then try to get it
[06:58] <laggerzero> what repos have mplayer?
[06:58] <reon> but not free
[06:58] <thunkee> hoe do i configure my monitor to get more than 60hz?
[06:58] <Quest-Master> I have universe, multiverse, and nerim..
[06:58] <shushi2005> Where is the Linux source directory located?
[06:58] <laggerzero> or do i have to compile it myself
[06:58] <ompaul> Quest-Master, try apt-get -f update
[06:59] <reon> thunkee, edit the xorg.conf file
[06:59] <DazeD||laptop> Quest-Master: goto www.ubuntuguide.org and goto whre it says how to upgrade to warty and copy and paste the sources
[06:59] <sproingie> shushi2005: usually under /usr/src.  you need to install a linux-source package to get it
[06:59] <DazeD||laptop> soometimes its a lil mistyping
[06:59] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: I've already done that.
[06:59] <DazeD||laptop> hmm
[06:59] <shushi2005> sproingie, I am trying to install linux-wlan-ng,
[06:59] <sproingie> which reminds me, where the freakin hell is linux-source for 2.6.11?
[07:00] <laggerzero> kernel.org
[07:00] <sproingie> it's odd having a binary package for it and no source package
[07:00] <laggerzero> but it won't work on debain
[07:00] <laggerzero> unless you patch it
[07:00] <DazeD||laptop> have u updated ur sources or tried search using apt-cache ?
[07:00] <dec> thunkee: also try system-> preferences -> screen resolution. I'm running 1280x1024 @ 85Hz
[07:00] <mattgirv> lmao i just found a site called tuxwarez
[07:00] <spacey> sproingie, ofcourse there is a source package
[07:00] <sproingie> laggerzero: but that's the whole point of the source packages
[07:00] <laggerzero> wtf
[07:00] <spacey> sproingie, you should search better
[07:00] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: yes.
[07:00] <laggerzero> you have to have the debian one though. they are different
[07:00] <reon> thunkee, get your monitors specs hoz&Vet refresh rates, resolutoins and add them to /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[07:01] <spacey> sproingie, search for kernel-source
[07:01] <Quest-Master> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:01] <Quest-Master>   mplayer-686: Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <DazeD||laptop> so who here runs a wireless card on ubuntu?
[07:01] <Quest-Master> And when I try to install mplayer-586
[07:01] <laggerzero> i do
[07:01] <Quest-Master>   mplayer-586: Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[07:01] <Quest-Master>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[07:01] <Quest-Master>                Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[07:01] <Quest-Master>                Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[07:01] <laggerzero> ndiswrapper
[07:01] <Quest-Master> Sorry about the slight flood~
[07:01] <sproingie> spacey: i know how to search for it.  the latest source package is for 2.6.9 for me.  what does it show for you?
[07:01] <laggerzero> do a search for kernel-tree
[07:02] <laggerzero> thats the ubuntu hoary source
[07:02] <sproingie> kernel-tree now?
[07:02] <reon> DazeD, you just missed the wireless card discussion
[07:02] <Absenth> wheeee.
[07:02] <laggerzero> linux-tree-2.6.10
[07:02] <navreet> Quest-Master, you're using multiverse, right?
[07:02] <spacey> sproingie, yes your right. i only have up to 2.6.9
[07:02] <Quest-Master> navreet: multiverse and universe, yes
[07:02] <Absenth> dist-upgrade did in fact break X on the puter with a radeon. :)
[07:02] <JDahl> anyone here using matplotlib for python? I've never had problems with it before until yesterday when I installed Hoary and the newest version of matplotlib... It seems to be broken in several ways
[07:02] <sproingie> spacey: argh, kernel-source, linux-source, kernel-tree ... what is the naming convention changing to?
[07:02] <sproingie> i'm not even sure what kernel-tree actually is
[07:02] <spacey> sproingie, yeah its annoying
[07:03] <spacey> seems like a meta package
[07:03] <mattgirv> is limewire pro worth buying?
[07:03] <mattgirv> or does it suck :p
[07:03] <linuxn00b> hey guys, I seem to have a small problem I no longer have a desktop switcher on the bottem right anymore :-( I tired to add it by right clicking and still nothing :(
[07:03] <sproingie> mattgirv: limewire == spyware.  not on linux, but regardless, do you want to give them your money?
[07:03] <carbonate> re
[07:03] <mattgirv> well i am only going to be using it on linux anyway
[07:04] <navreet> how are cdroms addressed under ubuntu?
[07:04] <Rocha> Hello
[07:04] <linuxn00b> navreet, /dev/cdrom
[07:04] <sproingie> mattgirv: they're scum ... besides, mldonkey is a much better client, if a little harder to configure
[07:04] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: workspace switcher
[07:04] <Rocha> Will Mono 1.1.4 be available in the final release?
[07:04] <DazeD||laptop> u do quest-master ??
[07:04] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: in the right-click menu
[07:05] <DazeD||laptop> what card are u using
[07:05] <linuxn00b> thoreauputic, I tried adding that but still nothing :(
[07:05] <thunkee> dec, reon: i've done a xorgconfig and this killed my complete x it wont start again ... a smart config prog would be fine ;)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: hmm :/
[07:05] <spacey> sproingie, yay, linux-source-2.6.11
[07:05] <spacey> but you already found it
[07:05] <spacey> :)
[07:05] <linuxn00b> thoreauputic, I was up all night tyring to fix It I even googled around and found tnothing
[07:05] <linuxn00b> and I cant reinstall :/
[07:06] <laggerzero> i have a broardcom wireless card
[07:06] <Xer> hi
[07:06] <Xer> how to patch kernel?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: do other applets appear, or is it only this one that doesn't?
[07:06] <Xer> patch -pl ?
[07:07] <linuxn00b> nothing, it I don't have a swither at all I can't even see it :/
[07:07] <sproingie> spacey: indeed, it's there now.  and there was much rejoicing
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <arnaud> patch -p1
[07:07] <linuxn00b> download.com
[07:07] <linuxn00b> oops wrong screen haha
[07:07] <spacey> sproingie, :)
[07:07] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: has your panel disappeared?
[07:07] <linuxn00b> no I still gont the one on top and bottem
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <reon> thunkee, what di you do ? I assume you still have console
[07:07] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: odd indeed
[07:07] <Phython> Anyone know which package gstreamer's faad plugin is in?
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <thunkee> reon: dunno how to dcc chat in xchat ... normal query? ... xserver/xdm restarts several times and then ncurses error messages that it wont start
[07:08] <sproingie> Xer: SHUT UP
[07:08] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Xer: go away
[07:08] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:08] <arnaud> XerI I answered you so, read !
[07:08] <laggerzero> DazeD||laptop, Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless
[07:08] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:08] <Xer> ha?
[07:08] <laggerzero> thats the one i have
[07:08] <Xer> u did?
[07:08] <linuxn00b> thoreauputic, yea it is all I remember was I got an error but my friend clicked OK without even reading it :(
[07:08] <thunkee> reon: now in runlevel 1 :)
[07:08] <LinuxJones> Xer, please stop spamming the channel
[07:08] <neighborlee> why does the repository only offer linux-source-2.6.10-27 when the default installed kernel is 2.6.10-4-386 ????
[07:08] <sproingie> fabbione: you rock
[07:08] <rattboi> hey, I have a question
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Xer: you have the dubious distinction of being the *most* annoying person I've ever seen in #ubuntu
[07:09] <reon> thunkee, not that i know what that means but sudo nano /etx/X11/xorg.conf and revert to your original settings
[07:09] <fabbione> thoreauputic: too late..
[07:09] <fabbione> he is not here anymore
[07:09] <rattboi> I just installed the nforce drivers from Nvidia's site
[07:09] <thoreauputic> fabbione: yeah, heh - thanks
[07:09] <rattboi> and I got the ethernet working, but now alsa isn't working w/ the nvsound drivers
[07:09] <reon> fabbione, cant you ban him for like life ?
[07:09] <rattboi> oss works, but alsa wont
[07:10] <D4B> i have 3com usb bluetooth adapter 3CREB96, can i use it on ubuntu linux (prev.)?
[07:10] <reon> thunkee /etc/
[07:10] <dec> is there any chance mplayer or transcode will work in hoary release?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> reon: problem is he comes back under a different id, and blocking his ISP would block nearly his whole country
[07:11] <laggerzero> i've got a quick question
[07:11] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[07:11] <thunkee>  reon: where do i get the original version of xorg.conf ... actual i just got the modified
[07:11] <laggerzero> every time i try to install the cpad touchpad drivers it errors out saying the headers cannot be found
[07:11] <laggerzero> why is that?
[07:11] <reon> thoreaputic, someone should notify his ISP
[07:11] <sproingie> reon: jeez, he didn't DOS the server or anything
[07:12] <reon> thunkee, did you back it up before you changed it ? Else, do you remember what you changed ?
[07:12] <regeya> I can imagine
[07:12] <thoreauputic> reon: he's merely an annoyance - he hasn't done anything illegal
[07:12] <thunkee> reon: no backup sorry ... just done a xorgconfig
[07:12] <chillywilly> anyone know if the new OOo 1.9.79 (2.0 beta) release has been packaged yet?
[07:12] <drspin> I am trying to enable DMA on my cd device but dmesg|tail keeps telling me it's blacklisted....
[07:12] <Rocha> When will Mono 1.1.4 packages be available?
[07:13] <sproingie> drspin: means your cdrom doesn't support dma
[07:13] <Rocha> Any ideas?
[07:13] <chillywilly> I should learn how to make a package...
[07:13] <laggerzero> there is a newer build out chillywilly
[07:13] <reon> thoreaputic, sure you can classify him as spam ;)
[07:13] <thunkee> reon: is there a way of "reinstall" xorg package? i am not familiar with apt
[07:13] <drspin> sproingie: oh but it does -- just not UDMA
[07:13] <laggerzero> 1.9.84
[07:13] <laggerzero> i'll get a link for ya
[07:13] <critter> Does ubuntu have a filmanger that you view files in a tree?
[07:13] <chillywilly> is that packaged? :)
[07:13] <sproingie> reon: he's gone, you can stop fretting. :)
[07:13] <laggerzero> run alien on it
[07:13] <laggerzero> extrac it
[07:13] <chillywilly> the new OOo is looking sweeter and sweeter every day I use it man
[07:13] <reon> thunkee, send me your xorg.conf file
[07:13] <laggerzero> and do an alien *.rpm
[07:13] <laggerzero> that will converte them to .debs
[07:13] <chillywilly> laggerzero: yea that's what I usually do
[07:14] <chillywilly> laggerzero: I even built it from source (takes forever ;) )
[07:14] <reon> thunkee, yes there is a way, i just cant remember, let me have a look
[07:14] <thoreauputic> critter: synaptic has a lot of filemanagers - but not all of them are nice eye candy :)
[07:14] <matt_> what file manager do you use?
[07:15] <matt_> I stopped using nautilus when I started using fluxbox
[07:15] <critter> Will Look thanks
[07:15] <laggerzero> http://openoffice.mirrors.tds.net/pub/openoffice/developer/680_m84/
[07:15] <thoreauputic> I use rox
[07:15] <matt_> ah
[07:15] <drspin> sproingie: hdc: Disabling (U)DMA for SAMSUNG CD-ROM SC-148C (blacklisted)
[07:15] <laggerzero> chillywilly, yeah the source is over 200MB
[07:15] <laggerzero> takes like 6 horus
[07:15] <drspin> sproingie: sudo cat /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[07:15] <drspin> sproingle: using_dma               1               0               1               rw
[07:15] <thoreauputic> matt_: but I still use nautilus for some things
[07:15] <sproingie> drspin: that means either UDMA or DMA.  i suspect it's dma blacklisted for both, stability problems i guess
[07:15] <DazeD||laptop> laggerzero u know if a linksys wireless g card will work on ubuntu
[07:15] <chillywilly> laggerzero: it's a lot of code :)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> matt_: the ssh and ftp functions are useful
[07:16] <drspin> sproingie: it's showing that it's using DMA -- just not UDMA I think...
[07:16] <firdel> when updating from warty to hoary, after the packedges are installed i get promtede if i wanna keep my old setting, or use the updated ones. heres an example
[07:16] <firdel> Configuration file `/etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh'
[07:16] <firdel>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[07:16] <laggerzero> i have no idea DazeD||laptop  iuse broadcom
[07:16] <firdel> do i keep the old settings ?
[07:16] <thunkee> reon: just found there is no /dev/mouse ... testing this with /dev/psaux
[07:16] <DazeD||laptop> damn
[07:16] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[07:16] <drspin> sproingie: I also do notice LOTS of problems related to that CD device -- I'm trying it with unmaskIRQ off to see if that makes a difference
[07:17] <laggerzero> i'm still learning too. its fun learning new OS's
[07:17] <reon> thunkee, how many things did you change ?
[07:17] <chillywilly> nautilus still needs some work, imho :)
[07:17] <arnaud> thunkee: did you try /dev/input/mice ?
[07:17] <DazeD||laptop> c
[07:17] <DazeD||laptop> Does anyone know if a linksys wireless G card will work on ubuntu...its a nogo on knoppix live???
[07:17] <sproingie> drspin: you're well past my knowledge level on the subject of cdroms now
[07:17] <laggerzero> you have to use ndiswrapper to install the drivers
[07:17] <chillywilly> the sftp support and smb support could be better :)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> chillywilly: I agree :)
[07:17] <mdblitz1> DazeD||laptop: working for me
[07:17] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: It will work with ndiswrapper
[07:17] <mdblitz1> just use ndiswrapper
[07:18] <drspin> sproingie: I doubt that -- but I appreciate your thoughts...
[07:18] <laggerzero> ndiswrapper works great on my broadcom
[07:18] <chillywilly> I still think winders XP has a better desktop (unfortunately)
[07:18] <Teal`c_> anybody know where i can find specific perl .deb packages ?  i need the perl xml::parser but cant find it anywhere
[07:18] <thunkee> reon: sorry for that ... x starts again because of /dev/psaux
[07:18] <xamdm> hi, nvidia-drivers broken in hoary after totdays online-update (linux-image-2.6.10-4-686) ??
[07:18] <mdblitz1> laggerzero: yup
[07:18] <DazeD||laptop> quest-master do i just get the normal windows drivers and load it up through ndiswrapper
[07:18] <laggerzero> i hate winblows
[07:18] <reon> thunkee, no probs
[07:18] <laggerzero> and microshaft for that matter
[07:18] <Seveas> Teal`c_, try to find it in synaptic
[07:18] <mdblitz1> DazeD||laptop: yea
[07:18] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: Pull out your Linksys CD
[07:18] <DazeD||laptop> ok good
[07:19] <neighborlee> no one knows about linux-source issue ?? ;(
[07:19] <regeya> interesting; apparently kde's media:/ ioslave can detect devices that have been added, but can't mount them unless they're in /etc/fstab
[07:19] <laggerzero> what issue?
[07:19] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: Get the .inf file in the drivers folder, and use it with ndiswrapper
[07:19] <DazeD||laptop> lol linksys CD is in jacksonville at school while im stuck at home
[07:19] <reon> xamdm, hope not havent rebooted yet, lol
[07:19] <chillywilly> laggerzero: yea well if you want to take some market share from them you at least have to have a nice consistent desktop
[07:19] <chillywilly> Gnome is getting there but it still annoys me at times
[07:19] <neighborlee> laggerzero: why does the repository only offer linux-source-2.6.10-27 when the default installed kernel is 2.6.10-4-386 ????
[07:19] <Riddell> regeya: seems to be the case, bit disapointing that
[07:19] <Teal`c_> I just installed Hoary (first time ubuntu user) .. Nice so far.. but it strange that the root user account is disabled by default..,  because the admin tools in gnome are pretty much useless without it
[07:19] <laggerzero> did you do a search for linux-tree-2.6.10?
[07:20] <neighborlee> tree ?
[07:20] <mdblitz1> neighborlee: use synaptic
[07:20] <xamdm> reon: rebootes 2 times reinstalled restricted modules, didn't help
[07:20] <laggerzero> thats what the ubuntu one is :/
[07:20] <regeya> indeed, Riddell.  wonder if there's a workaround for that other than adding removable media to /etc/fstab
[07:20] <laggerzero> found that one out last night
[07:20] <timte> python2.3-ldaptor: Depends: python2.3-pyparsing but it is not installable  --  how do I fix this?
[07:20] <speel> are the warty packages on freeze??
[07:20] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, I am and that is the result from searching for 'linux-source'
[07:20] <thunkee> again is there a smart xorg configuration program to configure card/monitor with card and monitor database like sax?
[07:20] <Marble2> uh im upgrading to hoarhy and I get this
[07:20] <Marble2> Configuration file `/etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh'
[07:20] <reon> xadm, no i'm to scared to reboot... ouch
[07:20] <Marble2> should I install the ne one
[07:20] <Marble2> or not?
[07:20] <sproingie> ARGH this is driving me nuts
[07:20] <sproingie> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:20] <sproingie>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[07:20] <thoreauputic> speel: warty hasn't changed since October :)
[07:21] <thoreauputic> speel: except for security updates
[07:21] <laggerzero> i love warty
[07:21] <sproingie> could anyone tell me what that relative path is relative TO so I can force this broken package to install?
[07:21] <xamdm> reon: anyone eles problems with the nvidia-drivers ??, now trying the nvidia-installer ...
[07:21] <laggerzero> or hoary
[07:21] <laggerzero> errr
[07:21] <sproingie> i can't even find it with strace
[07:21] <neighborlee> laggerzero: tree comes back with the same '27' ending which i'm fairly sure is going to give nvidia installer massive headaches
[07:21] <sbassi> hello, I am looking for the boot messages. in wich log file they r?
[07:21] <speel> bah i mean the universe pakages
[07:21] <drspin> how do I edit my kernel parameters?
[07:21] <Marble2> what does /etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh do and should I let hoary install a new one?
[07:21] <laggerzero> the drivers come on the ubuntu repos
[07:21] <mdblitz1> neighborlee: search for the headers, that should work the same
[07:21] <laggerzero> have you installed the drivers?
[07:21] <laggerzero> the glx ones?
[07:21] <reon> xadm, I'll reboot in 11min after KDE is installed...
[07:22] <xamdm> ui, there is a new driver from nvidia 7167
[07:22] <laggerzero> then just run a nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:22] <thoreauputic> speel: hoary is in feature freeze atm I believe
[07:22] <guiman> Been using Hoarty for a couple of weeks and it installs flawlessly on a Toshiba Tecra 8200... except that there is not suspend/sleep/hybernate support. Is this supported in any of the laptops? Any ideas?
[07:22] <Marble2> anyone?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Marble2: accepting defaults is usually the safe way to go
[07:23] <reon> thoreaputic, probably because official release is next month ?
[07:23] <speel> bah ... i need this one pakage netpanzer 0.8 beacuase the one in the universe repo is out of date =/
[07:23] <regeya> otoh, amarok-xine seems to work fine (gstreamer seems to be b0rked in kubuntu atm)
[07:23] <thoreauputic> reon: yep
[07:23] <scizzo> guiman: pheonix BIOS?
[07:23] <regeya> I'll take non-automounting devices if I can play music in amarok without aRts
[07:23] <laggerzero> it works great on my Compaq presario r300z with an AMD Athlon64 3200+ DTR
[07:23] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i am trying to upgrade to hoary, what do i do or what thing do i follow?
[07:23] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, The headers also show the same '2.6.10-27' stuff which I'm almost positive will cause nvidiai compile to go haywire
[07:23] <laggerzero> all hardware works
[07:23] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, why dont the match with the default installed kernel ????
[07:23] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, the/they
[07:23] <laggerzero> i'm about to recompile the kernel myself
[07:24] <laggerzero> to get rid of any headaches
[07:24] <sbassi> guiman: I think that is planned for next Ubuntu release
[07:24] <mdblitz1> you should be able to search for linux-headers2.6.10-4
[07:24] <guiman> scizzo: no idea... I am returning to Intel laptops (been using Macs since 1987)
[07:24] <mdblitz1> err
[07:24] <mdblitz1> linux-headers-2.6.10-4
[07:25] <arnaud> scizzo: I have phoenix bios, what's up with them and hibernate ?
[07:25] <guiman> sbassi: great, thanks.
[07:25] <scizzo> arnaud: they are not supported
[07:25] <laggerzero> hibernation is still very beta
[07:25] <scizzo> arnaud: Tecra S1 and so on are poorly supported....and the fact is that it has to do with the bios....
[07:25] <speedy2781> how do I get motorola drivers out of an exe file?
[07:26] <chillywilly> bah, nautilus ftp support stinks too :)
[07:26] <shushi2005> I am having trouble installing linux-wlan-ng. I get an error when I specify the linux source directory. Can anyone help?
[07:26] <scizzo> guiman: find out if it is a pheonix bios if it is..then I guess you will have to wait for Toshiba to be able and share some secrets about the bios
[07:26] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i am trying to upgrade to hoary, can anybody tell me what to do or point be to a how-to?
[07:26] <speel> speedy2781, .exe files are stricktly windows
[07:26] <speedy2781> darn
[07:26] <speedy2781> so how would i get motorola drivers without the exe file from their website
[07:26] <laggerzero> wine
[07:26] <laggerzero> try with wine
[07:27] <speedy2781> wine?
[07:27] <arnaud> shushi2005: how are you compiling these drivers ?
[07:27] <speedy2781> like fermented grapes?
[07:27] <laggerzero> http://www.winehq.com
[07:27] <speel> lol
[07:27] <guiman> scizzo: thanks. I will keep track of this.
[07:27] <laggerzero> its also on the repos
[07:27] <laggerzero> so you can install it through synaptic]
[07:27] <vpalle> dont use wine for drivers....
[07:27] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i am trying to upgrade to hoary, can anybody tell me what to do or point be to a how-to?
[07:27] <laggerzero> oh
[07:27] <laggerzero> for drivers
[07:27] <laggerzero> no
[07:27] <vpalle> :)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> chillywilly: it works OK for a simple transfer with drag and drop (that's all I use ftp for with nautilus)
[07:27] <shushi2005> arnaud, I got the tarballs from the official website and am following their instructions.
[07:27] <speel> speedy2781, well check first if your motorola products is supported .. google it or check the hcl on linuxquestions.org
[07:27] <laggerzero> unless you want to extract them
[07:27] <shushi2005> arnaud, so I did make config
[07:28] <scizzo> I have one thing that helps to change the light only on my laptop but thats it....the toshiba tools and so on is not working with Tecra S1 for example
[07:28] <laggerzero> thats the only reason wine should be used for drivers
[07:28] <reon> guiman,  what happens if you close the lid or enter apm -s
[07:28] <speedy2781> i need to ndiswrapper the motorola .inf file
[07:28] <speedy2781> but I am struggling to find the .inf I need
[07:28] <arnaud> shushi2005: ok, I had a similar problem (Still not fixed) sorry
[07:28] <shushi2005> arnaud, darn
[07:29] <arnaud> shushi2005: have you got linux-sources installed ?
[07:29] <speel> and to who ever is trying to upgrade to hoary just chage the repos that say warty to hoary
[07:29] <speedy2781> (bcmw15.inf) is the inf driver i need
[07:29] <guiman> reon: the screen goes black, the backlight stays on and when I open it again there is not response (no place to enter a password, no response)
[07:29] <shushi2005> arnaud, i just did a default install of hoary
[07:29] <firdel> when updating from warty to hoary, after the packedges are installed i get promtede if i wanna keep my old setting, or use the updated ones. heres an example
[07:29] <firdel>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[07:29] <firdel> *** cdsymlinks.sh (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[07:29] <arnaud> shushi2005: so you first need to get the kernel sources, they are not isntalled by default
[07:29] <guiman> reon: I have not tried apm -s
[07:29] <shushi2005> oh
[07:30] <firdel> do i keep my current, or do i go with the update ?
[07:30] <shushi2005> arnaud, how do i do that?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> firdel: accept the defaults
[07:30] <scizzo> firdel: read everything
[07:30] <speedy2781> anyone know where I can find that?
[07:30] <arnaud> shushi2005: in synaptic package manager, look for linux-sources
[07:30] <shushi2005> arnaud, ok
[07:30] <firdel> i did say keep current to the first one thoreauputic :(
[07:30] <reon> guiman, dont know if it will work but you can try
[07:30] <scizzo> firdel: if you read you will find out that it says that "this is the version from the person doing the package" and it asks you if you want to keep it or what you want to do with it
[07:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: probably will be fine - don't fret
[07:31] <firdel> im a bit scared
[07:31] <xamdm> hi, got nvidia-drivers workin, just using the new ones from nvidia
[07:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: :-)
[07:31] <reon> guiman, running hoary ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[07:31] <neighborlee> is ubuntu working on a decent GUI installer by chance ? ( just curious )
[07:31] <laggerzero> bulding the new openoffice packages now
[07:31] <laggerzero> from rpms to debs
[07:31] <neighborlee> I think they should adopt anaconda frankly
[07:32] <laggerzero> neighborlee, its a text installer
[07:32] <laggerzero> but its easy to use
[07:32] <neighborlee> laggerzero, nooooooooo it can't be
[07:32] <firdel> thoreauputic, last time i did dist-upgrade, my comp crashed im the middle of installing the packedges.. so i just reinstalled ubuntu, and first thing i did was to update to hoary.. now i hope im crashfree :)=
[07:32] <guiman> reon: thanks I will give it a try. And thanks for the url
[07:32] <neighborlee> laggerzero, lol
[07:32] <thoreauputic> firdel: they are mostly configuration options - keeping the ones you have should work fine
[07:32] <burgundavia_> neighborlee from what I understand anaconda is crap underneath
[07:32] <neighborlee> laggerzero, surely they are working on a GUI intaller
[07:32] <firdel> ok
[07:32] <burgundavia_> neighborlee, they are working on a gui installer
[07:32] <laggerzero> it uses the debian installer
[07:32] <neighborlee> burgundavia_, i've never heard that..you have sources for that assumption ;-))
[07:32] <burgundavia_> neighborlee, there are some issues to be solved, as not all video cards are alike
[07:32] <neighborlee> burgundavia_, ic..well thats good to hear then
[07:33] <burgundavia_> neighborlee, this is from the Mataro sessions where I heard this
[07:33] <neighborlee> hmm never heard of them
[07:33] <burgundavia_> last Ubuntu dev conference
[07:33] <speedy2781> Well, since I am tired of fighting with these wireless cards that are unsupported. what card is decent price that would work under ubuntu
[07:33] <burgundavia_> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Mataro
[07:33] <neighborlee> anyway I just thought standards are good but if it truly has issues well...then I guess what can ya do but make your own
[07:33] <neighborlee> burgundavia_, k thx ..checking
[07:33] <burgundavia_> speedy2781, dlink 650 pcmicia. I have one that works
[07:33] <speedy2781> what is needed to make it work
[07:34] <neighborlee> anyone know why nvidia-glx installs '/lib/tls' ???
[07:34] <burgundavia_> speedy2781, out of the box, native drivers
[07:34] <neighborlee> it causes some weird glitchy behavior with some of my apps
[07:34] <Marble2> how do I view os info
[07:34] <reon> How do you do remote desktop via a router running NAT ?
[07:34] <burgundavia_> speedy2781, just plug it in. You might have to use dhclient to get an address though. That is a network hotpluging issue
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Marble2: what sort of info?
[07:34] <mdke> hi all. My evolution is taking about 5 minutes to start. updated hoary. Any news?
[07:34] <Marble2> like what distro. and stuff
[07:34] <Marble2> I just upgraded to hoary
[07:34] <thoreauputic> cat /etc/issue
[07:34] <Marble2> just want to check
[07:35] <guiman> brb - I am going to try "apm -s"
[07:35] <Marble2> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[07:35] <Marble2> yay
[07:35] <NetwrkMonkey> mdke what version of evolution
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Marble2: congratulations :)
[07:35] <NetwrkMonkey> and do you have spamassassin installed?
[07:35] <Marble2> :)
[07:35] <speedy2781> is it possible to look into an exe file and get what you need out of it?
[07:35] <laggerzero> it depends
[07:35] <laggerzero> some exes are just rars and zips
[07:35] <laggerzero> not all of them though
[07:35] <chillywilly> bah, Gnome keeps wanting to use firefox as an ftp client
[07:35] <error_29> aarrfhhgg! why does gedit make the search window so f*&^&ing large!
[07:35] <speedy2781> how would I try?
[07:36] <laggerzero> try changing the extention
[07:36] <chillywilly> where can i change that?
[07:36] <mdke> NetwrkMonkey, the current one in hoary
[07:36] <laggerzero> to either zip or rar
[07:36] <laggerzero> some times it works
[07:36] <mdke> NetwrkMonkey, this problem only arrived today
[07:36] <laggerzero> sometimes not
[07:36] <sproingie> yay, figured out the ia32-libs problem.  strace to the rescue once more
[07:36] <mdke> NetwrkMonkey, gnome-terminal crashes upon start as well
[07:37] <Marble2> okay, now why does cups hate me
[07:37] <sproingie> cups hates all humanity
[07:37] <sproingie> its not personal
[07:37] <laggerzero> cups is evil
[07:37] <firdel> what ftp server would you people recommend.. i like gui's ;)
[07:37] <thoreauputic> firdel: gftp
[07:37] <mdke> me too gftp
[07:37] <Marble2> I'm trying to share a printer on the network so a windows computer can access it
[07:37] <Hell-Razor> guys how do i add  Hoary Backports sources.
[07:37] <mdke> or nautilus
[07:37] <speel> i use proftpd as a server and gftp for client
[07:37] <thoreauputic> oh sorry, server
[07:37] <Marble2> every time it asks for a damn user/pass
[07:37] <Marble2> i've tried my ubuntu login, the windows login, root, blank, everything
[07:37] <Marble2> and I just get access denied
[07:38] <ompaul> cups is something that really wants to live with foomatic then it looses its evil streak
[07:38] <JDahl> firdel, proftp is easy to setup, although there's no gui
[07:38] <speedy2781> oh, i just fixed that last night
[07:38] <guiman> reon: it returns a message saying that there is no support in the kernel for apm (tried -s and -S)
[07:38] <mdke> any idea on why my gnome-terminal and evolution are not starting properly in hoary?
[07:38] <speedy2781> the passwrd thing
[07:38] <speel> Hell-Razor, open up /etc/apt/sources.list and stick  deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe in there
[07:38] <sproingie> foomatic merely papers over the evil that is cups
[07:38] <firdel> JDahl, i like to word easy, not one you get by very often in this community
[07:38] <reon> guiman, then it is prob acpi
[07:38] <Marble2> speedy2781: how?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Marble2: are you trying to use the web interface?
[07:38] <Marble2> no
[07:38] <speedy2781> I am tryting to remember
[07:38] <Hell-Razor> speel, for hoary? im trying to upgrade to hoary
[07:38] <sproingie> only printer systems that never drove me nuts were macos and netware
[07:39] <sproingie> netware's was hairy as hell under the surface but it just worked
[07:39] <reon> guima, have a look at the ubuntu forums and do a search for toshiba or acpi or apm
[07:39] <ompaul> sproingie,  ahh but the paper holds in many cases for $case
[07:39] <farruinn> sproingie: do you mean classic mac os, because "under the surface
[07:39] <firdel> thoreauputic, im gettin freightening many of theese
[07:39] <firdel> Setting up linux-image-2.6.10-4-386 (2.6.10-27) ...
[07:39] <firdel> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:39] <firdel> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:39] <firdel>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[07:39] <regeya> and macos uses cups now, oddly enough
[07:39] <farruinn>  sproingie os x uses the same system as linux
[07:39] <firdel> perl: warning
[07:39] <speel> o then open up your sources list and change everything that says warty to hoary
[07:39] <sproingie> farruinn: yes, old system7 macos
[07:40] <Marble2> any ideas thoreauputic ? or speedy
[07:40] <sproingie> firdel: please dont flood
[07:40] <firdel> ok sproingie, sry!!
[07:40] <firdel> :/
[07:40] <laggerzero> last night i tried to install over 700 updates and packages at once. including drivers
[07:40] <laggerzero> killed my install
[07:40] <speel> lol
[07:40] <JDahl> firdel, I use proftp occassionally when technically challenged windows users need to upload large amount of data to my work machine... it's just a matter of apt-get install and your flying...afterwards I just remove it with apt-get remove, and no hazzles
[07:40] <sproingie> ow.  i dont do 700 with a dist-upgrade
[07:40] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, lol
[07:40] <guiman> reon: thanks
[07:40] <thoreauputic> firdel: wait and see if it works before you panic :)
[07:40] <laggerzero> fresh insall of hoary
[07:40] <reon> no probs
[07:40] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, did you sucessfully upgrade to hoary? im trying it right now
[07:41] <laggerzero> and updated gnome and kde and installed everthing i could think of
[07:41] <firdel> i have a tendency to panic
[07:41] <laggerzero> it was off the hoary cd
[07:41] <laggerzero> and i just installed and upraded every program i could think of
[07:41] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, heh i would update through the hoary cd but i dont want to lose all my shit
[07:41] <laggerzero> it was kind of funny
[07:42] <sproingie> laggerzero: well that makes for a nice torture test of apt
[07:42] <speel> Hell-Razor, i dont think you can with the cd ... just chage your repos
[07:42] <laggerzero> and my net connection and hard drive
[07:42] <firdel> JDahl, i would preferre a server i can configure, without reading 20 man pages. besides, i dont wanna install / remove a server everytime i need one
[07:42] <Hell-Razor> speel, i mean reinstall everything
[07:42] <laggerzero> my isp hates me. they see me downloading the same shit over and over
[07:42] <firdel> laggerzero, you not alone
[07:43] <ompaul> laggerzero, no they love you the caache gets raided often :-)
[07:43] <firdel> hey, 20 secs'o'silence
[07:43] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, my isp dissconnects me about once a week for a day for some odd reason...they claim its for server updates but its bullshit
[07:43] <JDahl> firdel, proftp is probably still your best bet...  The executable file I cant find it. I opened tkdesk in term . But it doesnt open the file browser. Thats what I wanted it for. Any help ??
[07:47] <speel> ooo
[07:47] <nictuku> hi
[07:47] <laggerzero> man i need to get the dvdcss packages
[07:47] <laggerzero> google is my friend
[07:47] <critter> Not In usr/bin
[07:47] <firdel> define:google
[07:47] <PacoBCN> the tecnician of my isp told also that he's not sure the router will work with Ubuntu...
[07:47] <oly> nero always worked well in windows, not sure if the linux version would be dependant on underlying drivers though
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: I think cracking is off-topic here
[07:48] <PacoBCN> I told him, listen, the router is connected to Internet even with no computers
[07:48] <PacoBCN> and he couldn't understand
[07:48] <firdel> PacoBCN, what freking ISP you got? they must be incompetent
[07:48] <PacoBCN> fucking moron
[07:48] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: heheh
[07:48] <speedy2781> marbel2 did you figure it out
[07:48] <PacoBCN> Firdel, the problem is that 99% of the times the customers will accept what they say
[07:48] <laggerzero> i hate mandrake
[07:48] <critter> This is my main headache with linux. what are the executable extentions And where the hell are they by default
[07:48] <laggerzero> *.sh
[07:48] <firdel> i know, i worked as ADSL supporter for my countrys largest ISP
[07:49] <StaleFish> Hello, any Synatic genius here?
[07:49] <PacoBCN> btw, my ISP is Jazztel
[07:49] <firdel> people are plain stupid
[07:49] <PacoBCN> Spain
[07:49] <thoreauputic> critter: executables don't need extensions
[07:49] <ompaul> critter, there are none
[07:49] <laggerzero> sh files execute
[07:49] <speel> critter, sh bin usually but some dont even have extensions :P
[07:49] <thoreauputic> critter: and to see what a file is type   file /path/to/file
[07:49] <laggerzero> not all bins do
[07:49] <riffic> can someone help me with alsa and hoary?
[07:49] <critter> How do I know what file opens the program that I wnat to opem
[07:50] <speel> critter,  well what file do you want to open?
[07:50] <riffic> I had sound working before an apt-get update, now its not working
[07:50] <thoreauputic> critter:  type  which <command>
[07:50] <riffic> maybe broken kernel?
[07:50] <wezzer-> maybe
[07:50] <ompaul> ahh that is a different matter - try typing the word 'file  filename' and it will tell you something of it
[07:50] <firdel> brolen pci slot
[07:50] <wezzer-> try command alsamixer
[07:50] <firdel> :d
[07:50] <thoreauputic> critter: you just need to think differently
[07:50] <riffic> doesn't work, aplay -l shows no cards found
[07:50] <PacoBCN> the worst part was when they wanted to force me to encrypt my essid
[07:50] <riffic> theres a bunch of errors when I boot
[07:51] <PacoBCN> I told them I didn't mind in sharing my connection with my neighbors
[07:51] <riffic> alsactrl can't start or something like that
[07:51] <PacoBCN> "No, you can't share"
[07:51] <laggerzero> whoa libdvdcss has a freshmeat page now]
[07:51] <critter> I looked through synaptic for the path but many paths . Not a clue wich one opens the app
[07:51] <riffic> even though its' still in lspci
[07:51] <firdel> cant as in cant, or cant as in your not allowed ?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> critter: to see where executables *might* be, type  echo $PATH
[07:51] <elcuco> hi, what package (in universe) i need to install in order to play mp3's under totem, i prefear using gstreamer (not xine)
[07:52] <thoreauputic> critter: I told you: type  `which <commandname>
[07:52] <critter> I tried nothing happened
[07:52] <laggerzero> they even have a debian package
[07:52] <speel> dude what are you trying to open
[07:52] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/mozilla
[07:53] <thoreauputic> for example
[07:53] <critter> The file manager for tkdesk that I just installed
[07:53] <farruinn> elcuco: gstreamer-mad I believe, check at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:53] <ompaul> critter, an app is not opened by a file - if you look in /usr/bin you will find a file called gcc if you type file gcc you will get information
[07:53] <speedy2781> NEW BREAKTHROUGH
[07:53] <critter> Notin /usr/bin
[07:53] <StaleFish> Anyone seen where all my packages have gone in Synaptic?
[07:53] <riffic> okay i'm getting this when I /etc/init.d/alsa start:  /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'
[07:53] <thoreauputic> critter: what is the app called?
[07:53] <speedy2781> ok, so I ndiswrapper a .inf for a motorolla wifi card and the hardware is present
[07:53] <speedy2781> now I don't have any clue what to do
[07:53] <riffic> and a bunch of scrolling stuff
[07:54] <speedy2781> i modprobe ndiswrapper right?
[07:54] <speedy2781> than I ndiswrapper -m
[07:54] <critter> tkdesk is the app I installed. I opened it with term
[07:54] <critter> but the file manager apperently is another question
[07:54] <thoreauputic> critter: type    apropos tkdesk
[07:54] <critter> All I got was a tool bar
[07:54] <SuperL4g> how much disk space does a standard Warty install take?
[07:54] <critter>  No buttons on it to open file manager
[07:55] <reon> riffic,  cat /proc/asound/modules
[07:55] <thoreauputic> critter: are you even reading what I said above?
[07:55] <farruinn> SuperL4g: I'm pretty sure that's in the release notes or something
[07:55] <farruinn> SuperL4g: I don't remember off the top of my head
[07:55] <critter> Reading typing and trying it outr on term .
[07:55] <thunkee> SuperL4g: 1557708 :)
[07:55] <critter>  I need a sec thanks
[07:56] <thoreauputic> critter: apropos will show you where the manual is - also try `man tkdesk`
[07:56] <ompaul> critter, file management is not the same as in another popular desktop - (the mac :)) or some other one. - file association as you think of it is really usually a function of the desktop i.e. gnome in most cases with ubuntu
[07:56] <farruinn> thenuke: be nice :) give him df -H
[07:56] <elcuco> farruinn, mad indeed :)
[07:56] <speedy2781> ndiswraper help needed
[07:56] <riffic> reon: nothing
[07:56] <riffic> it just made a new line
[07:56] <Teal`c_> the search function in synaptic is rather unintuitive ...
[07:56] <critter> ompal I know thats why im trying out tkdesk
[07:56] <reon> riffic, ouch
[07:56] <squallbsr> anybody having problems accessing releases.ubuntu.com and shipit.ubuntu.com ??  I get DNS not found...
[07:57] <riffic> want me to lsmod | grep snd ?
[07:57] <squallbsr> err, DNS cannot find the address...
[07:57] <reon> riffic, ouch, is this a new install or did things go wrong ?
[07:57] <riffic> things went wrong
[07:57] <reon> riffic, ok
[07:57] <riffic> i've been using hoary successfully for a few weeks now
[07:57] <riffic> I rebooted with a new kernel
[07:57] <firdel> yippie, it werks <(
[07:58] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: what does `host shipit.ubuntu.com`  say?
[07:58] <reon> riffic, if the output is big then dont pste here
[07:58] <thenuke> farruinn: but but..
[07:58] <Frederick> anyone brazillian here? I want to set my xterm and term to accept special characters like ? and accents
[07:58] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: in a terminal
[07:58] <firdel> is it possible to install nvidia drivers with apt-get, or should i get it with the synaptic manager _
[07:58] <riffic> reon: http://www.pastebin.com/254556
[07:58] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic: yes or no answer would be enough for me
[07:58] <Coutsos> Can anybody help me get gDesklets compiled?
[07:59] <riffic> its a hercules gtxp, cs46xx
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: yes or no to what?
[07:59] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, nm
[07:59] <farruinn> Coutsos: why do you need to compile it?
[07:59] <squallbsr> thereauputic: shipit.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:59] <squallbsr> shipit.ubuntu.com mail is handled by 10 fiordland.ubuntu.com.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: well, looks like DNS knows about it then
[08:00] <ompaul> critter rather than trying to do something the same way as you do elsewhere, pause for a minute and take the following on board, we have great technologies that help you do more with less - and a bit like getting into a european car after driving a japanese one there are some small differences in where things are triggered from but at the end of the day you can do more :)
[08:00] <Myrtti> I notice kernels on -27 now
[08:00] <Myrtti> kernel's
[08:00] <Myrtti> any hope that nvidia will be fixed on it?
[08:00] <squallbsr> thereauputic: firefox is sending me back to my domain (which is what happens when DNS cannot find the site...)  thats off my server, my desktop doesn't have host...  I need to check from theree...
[08:00] <Coutsos> farruinn, I tried getting it from synaptic, but that version doesn't seem to work for me
[08:00] <firdel> after my first hoary reboot i can only view 640*480 ;/
[08:00] <firdel> is it possible to install nvidia drivers with apt-get, or should i get it with the synaptic manager _
[08:01] <reon> riffic, looks ok, been to http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=TroubleShooting  yet ?
[08:01] <riffic> yeah
[08:01] <ompaul> critter, I would like to assist you but I do not know what it is you are (a) trying to learn (b) achieve if you can tell me that without reference to the action you think needs to be carried out then I or some of the other helpful people here may have just the solution for you
[08:01] <riffic> I found that page on a google
[08:01] <drspin> can i set options on my scsi HD and CD drive?
[08:01] <riffic> doesn't really help
[08:01] <thunkee> firdel: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[08:01] <firdel> thunkee, fanx m8
[08:02] <squallbsr> anybody running ubuntu as a server?  i.e. -> openldap, smbldap-tools, samba3 (as pdc), netatalk, qmail, etc?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: does your /etc/resolv.conf contain nameservers?
[08:02] <critter> ompal I am trying to find a gui that has a dir tree. tkdesk says it has one just cant get it to open
[08:02] <ijuz> squallbsr: ubuntu has a working openldap?
[08:03] <Benjamin_L> is there a way to set the font-size for the nautilus desktop ?
[08:03] <squallbsr> thoreauputic: yes, they have the same name servers as my server...
[08:03] <critter> "`man tkdesk' has nothing
[08:03] <reon> riffic, sorry new to this myself, only just sorted my sound out last night. just check out all your conf etc
[08:03] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: OK
[08:03] <ompaul> critter ahh
[08:03] <thunkee> critter: what about filemanager/nautilus treeview?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: is it only firefox? have you tried another browser? i think links is installed by default
[08:04] <critter> "` opropos tkdesk" Nothing aprpriate"
[08:04] <Seveas> ijuz, slapd is in main
[08:04] <thoreauputic> critter: apropos
[08:04] <ompaul> critter, have you looked at nautilus? and if you want to see all the stuff start it with the command 'sudo nautilus'
[08:04] <riffic> reon: k, thanks for your help
[08:04] <squallbsr> thoreauputic: the website started working again...  odd...
[08:04] <critter> " apropos tkdesk
[08:04] <critter> tkdesk: nothing appropriate."
[08:04] <thoreauputic> critter: sorry - what about `man tkdesk` ?
[08:04] <riffic> it was working before so I'm going to assume it will work again in the future
[08:05] <riffic> and this is just temporary brokenness
[08:05] <critter> Tried nothing happened
[08:05] <thoreauputic> critter: a package without a man page... that's a bug
[08:05] <ijuz> Seveas: debian main or ubuntu? the one in debian is broken beyond repair
[08:05] <riffic> I can live with temporary brokenness.. that's why I'm using unstable
[08:05] <riffic> heh
[08:05] <lunitik> Whats a good OS news site? osnews.com is bothering me - mainly cuz Eugenia is a tool, and I just don't really like Slashdot  :(
[08:05] <critter> I'll try again
[08:05] <ompaul> critter, nothing happened when you did what?
[08:05] <riffic> kerneltrap
[08:05] <thoreauputic> critter: time to use google
[08:05] <Seveas> ijuz ubuntu main
[08:05] <lunitik> So uhh, something like osnews.com, but without a tool for an editor
[08:06] <squallbsr> thoreauputic: my desktop is gentoo (btw)  I'm thinking about putting ubuntu on my server instead of freebsd since I cannot run Xen or VMWare easily on FreeBSD (which is what it is running right now)
[08:06] <rever> Hi I am trying to mount my fat32 share but I keep getting wrong fs but when I do dmesg | tail. This is the error:
[08:06] <speel> www.linux.org www.lwn.net
[08:06] <riffic> lunitik: kerneltrap.org
[08:06] <rever> Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1
[08:06] <rever> FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found
[08:06] <critter> "` man tkdesk" notrhing happend
[08:06] <squallbsr> rever: what command are you typing?
[08:06] <ijuz> Seveas: cool, hopefully really 2.2.23
[08:06] <rever> I grep my config and get this CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1"
[08:06] <ijuz> (openldap 2.1.30 dies often and destroys sometimes the database)
[08:07] <rever> squallbsr, I put it in my fstab. But I also have done mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/share
[08:07] <ompaul> critter: only type only that between the arrow heads > man tkdesk < and then hit enter
[08:07] <Seveas> ijuz sorry, it's 2.1.30
[08:07] <Seveas> but maybe hoary has a newer version
[08:07] <Seveas> i'm running warty
[08:07] <firdel> how is it i restart X _
[08:07] <squallbsr> rever: how does mount respond?  does it try to do it?
[08:07] <critter> ok
[08:07] <squallbsr> rever: or say something about the superblock
[08:07] <critter> got it
[08:08] <critter> have man up
[08:08] <rever> squallbsr, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[08:08] <rever>        missing codepage or other error
[08:08] <thoreauputic> :/
[08:08] <ompaul> critter when you type > sudo tkdesk <  you can run it as root and traverse the whole file system
[08:08] <ijuz> Seveas: 2.1.30-3 in debian is said to have a bugfix for a segfault, but well, i'm doing now it better on my own, it's beyond cool when 40-50 boxes aren't usable because ldap is dead again
[08:08] <Seveas> absolutely
[08:09] <caliber> What do I need to compile EGGDROP.. I already did a apt-get install tcl8.4 but it still can't find the TCL library and headers
[08:09] <ompaul> critter you need to close the 'intro screen'  {I love apt-get it just does the job :)}
[08:09] <critter> I got tkdesk open but all it oped was the tool bar . But no way to open file manager
[08:09] <ompaul> critter, there is a button on the bottom of that which says close ?
[08:09] <rever> squallbsr, I tells me to look at dmesg so I do and thas when I see that error
[08:09] <rever> squallbsr, I grep my config and get this CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1"
[08:10] <ompaul> behind that there is a file system navigator
[08:10] <ompaul> then you gte all this stuff on the right hand side of your screen and you wonder where it came from :)
[08:10] <critter> Button at bottom is to delete files on the tool bar. But the intro I closed 5 min ago
[08:10] <ijuz> btw. the installer of the hoary review has imo a big problem it asks for a device for grub-install (as the install of sarge is doing at the moment), that's nothing for beginners, they first have to figure out that they have in 99,9% of the cases to enter (hd0)
[08:11] <ompaul> critter ahh I am with yhou now
[08:11] <naibed> hi
[08:12] <squallbsr> rever: the CONFIG_FAT_etc charset looks right, you are using a english windows right?
[08:12] <rever> squallbsr, Yeap english verison of windows 2000
[08:12] <ompaul> critter - okay what you need to do is something like this right on the picture that has the lamp on it :) the desktop
[08:12] <squallbsr> rever: now where to find it, hmm...
[08:12] <caliber> What do I need to compile EGGDROP.. I already did a apt-get install tcl8.4 but it still can't find the TCL library and headers
[08:12] <zeppelin> Can anyone help me in unpacking an RPM file on a PPC with Ubuntu?
[08:12] <ompaul> critter then navigate to wherever you want :)
[08:13] <ijuz> zeppelin: dumb people like me are just using mc
[08:13] <ompaul> critter - be warned tools liek that can kill your machine :)
[08:13] <ompaul> critter like that is what I mean
[08:13] <rever> squallbsr, Just to let you know I am using hoary. If that make a difference
[08:13] <zeppelin> whats mc? (count me in the dumb people category, I'm a newb)
[08:13] <ells> anyone in here actually running debian
[08:13] <squallbsr> rever: did you google the problem?
[08:13] <critter> Ompal got it ty ty ty
[08:13] <caliber> midnight commander
[08:14] <thoreauputic> zeppelin: midnight commander (file manager and editor)
[08:14] <ompaul> ells, go on ask I am running more than one linux at a time :)
[08:14] <rever> Am currently searching through some pages. Nothing yet, was hoping someone ran into this
[08:14] <zeppelin> and its a package that came with Ubuntu?
[08:14] <ijuz> zeppelin: apt-get install mc    ...no idwa if that is in ubuntu
[08:14] <ells> ompaul: in debian, I cannot connect to my debian source
[08:14] <thoreauputic> not by default
[08:14] <squallbsr> rever: out of curiosity, comment out that line in your config.  which file is it in anyway?
[08:14] <ells> ompaul: trying to see if the source is down
[08:14] <ijuz> what's btw. the ubuntu way to load kernel modules?
[08:15] <zeppelin> Cant find package "mc"
[08:15] <critter> Ompaul All I need to do is conf now Thanks
[08:15] <freewarty> Hi all
[08:15] <freewarty> Cheers to apt-get ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> I don't know if anyone else is interested in this, but as I reported earlier today, I had problems with nvidia driver not working after yesterday about this time upgrading kernel. I updated it just now again, and the problem was solved, it works again. This on hoary, kernel 2.6.10-4-386 (-27).
[08:15] <squallbsr> rever: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12238.html
[08:15] <rever> squallbsr, That was on my /boot/config-2.6.10-custom1 file
[08:15] <ompaul> ells, then you tell us what the http is and we can look from where we are
[08:15] <freewarty> I heard that 2.7 is out now
[08:15] <gratefulfrog> zeppelin: have you tried cpio?
[08:15] <ells> okay, hold one
[08:15] <thoreauputic> zeppelin: it's in the universe repository
[08:16] <zeppelin> Dont even know what cpio is
[08:16] <squallbsr> rever: this is a good google search to use for the problem: "Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1" (debian OR ubuntu)
[08:16] <dampjam> I'm using hoary and I love this ipod automount thing, but is there a gui way to unmount it, or do I just do that the standard umount way?
[08:16] <ells> ompaul: here ya go   deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main
[08:16] <ells> deb-src http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main
[08:16] <zeppelin> repositories I can do, just figured that out today =P
[08:16] <rever> squallbsr, Maybe I should have looked in Ubuntus owen found this one.  http://www.resellerhostingbox.com/linux-questions/msg6461.html
[08:16] <speel> heh i wouldent use debian made packages with ubuntu
[08:16] <squallbsr> rover: it sounds like its a problem with kernel modules, I would try to comment out that line since the codepage is most likely in the kernel.
[08:16] <Myrtti> I would, if no other means are available
[08:17] <rever> squallbsr, Will try an compile as a module instead
[08:17] <drspin> what's the fastest way to rip a CD?
[08:17] <speel> yea i suppose
[08:17] <rever> squallbsr, thanks
[08:17] <Teal`c_> find the torrent
[08:17] <gratefulfrog> rzeppelin: try this:   > rpm2cpio YourFile.rpm | cpio -i --make-directories
[08:17] <squallbsr> rever: what is your fstab?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> drspin: use sound juicer?
[08:17] <drspin> I prefer Grip
[08:17] <drspin> but what plugin?? cdparanoia, cdda2wav??
[08:18] <thoreauputic> drspin: well, install grip then
[08:18] <rever> squallbsr, /dev/sda5       /mnt/share      vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[08:18] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[08:18] <ompaul> ells, not getting a reply there
[08:18] <ompaul> ells, message me please
[08:18] <reon> just installed KDE and decided I dont like it that much.
[08:18] <drspin> yes thank you :)
[08:18] <ells> ompaul: it must be down
[08:18] <ompaul> I will then message you my local config for testing
[08:19] <squallbsr> rever: I think the webpage you found has good info.  It is something to do with your compiled kernel, did you compile it, or did it come that way?
[08:19] <ijuz> Myrtti: there are patches for the nvidia modules to get them working with 2.6.11-rc5 at least, i guess ubunut 2.6.10 has some 2.6.11 stuff, so you need this or pwarts of this patches for the nvidia driver
[08:19] <squallbsr> rever: if that is default on the new hoary release, you need to submit a bug report so that it is fixed on the next release
[08:19] <Myrtti> ijuz: but it works fine now...
[08:20] <rever> squallbsr, No I compiled it to get my 6600GT to work
[08:20] <ijuz> Myrtti: ok
[08:20] <ompaul> more to the point to the wireless card
[08:20] <Teal`c_> gnome-btdownload is a nice thought but rather useless for serious use
[08:20] <ompaul> I'll fix it later
[08:20] <ijuz> squallbsr: where does somebody report bugs?
[08:21] <ompaul> actually its a pack hell I made a mistake
[08:21] <da5id> hi @ll
[08:21] <squallbsr> rever: oic.  I'm having problems with my FX5200, I get framerates of like 8 from glxgears, it gets slower the longer X stays running...
[08:21] <ompaul> ahh well l8r ya all
[08:21] <da5id> cu ompaul
[08:21] <rever> squallbsr, What nvidia driver ar you useing?
[08:22] <ompaul> cheers
[08:22] <squallbsr> ijuz: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:22] <ijuz> squallbsr: thanks
[08:23] <rever> squallbsr, BRB just finished compile. Lets see if it worked
[08:23] <ijuz> how do i load kernel modules?
[08:23] <firdel> after installing hoary + nvidia drivers, my max possible screen res is 640*480 !! help needed! >(
[08:24] <thoreauputic> ijuz: sudo modprobe <module>
[08:24] <squallbsr> rever: Latest version installed: 1.0.6629-r1
[08:24] <firdel> im hoaryfied
[08:24] <meuserj|work> firdel, lol
[08:24] <firdel> :)
[08:24] <speedy2782> I have ndiswrapper problems
[08:24] <blizah> what version of ati's drivers will hoary come with?
[08:24] <ijuz> thoreauputic: so i have to load it again after the reboot, is there a modconf replacement in ubunut?
[08:24] <speedy2782> I have installed everything line by line like the directions say, but the drivers are not loading
[08:25] <speedy2782> the hardware is present but I can't configure anything
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ijuz: just put the module in /etc/modules
[08:25] <speedy2782> wlan0 won't show up
[08:25] <speedy2782> hardware present
[08:25] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* what append to ne new update from hoary ... nvidia is broken .. i cant install KDE .. *ahhh* i need kde for my keyboard but when i try to install it it says that some needed files cant be installed
[08:25] <speedy2782> no wlan0
[08:25] <firdel> is there a way i can force a higher res perhaps >
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ijuz: on a line at the bottom of the file
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ijuz: then it should load on boot
[08:25] <speedy2782> no wlan0
[08:26] <speedy2782> using two different cards now, won't work
[08:26] <speedy2782> motorola and netgear
[08:26] <firdel> thoreauputic, you been my salvation man sofar, gimme sugar baby :)
[08:26] <ijuz> thoreauputic: i know, but i thought ubuntu would have some other tool (when they don't install modconf)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> firdel: :)
[08:26] <StoffBox-Steve> kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed <--- someone i idea how to fix that ?
[08:27] <speedy2782> are there any other ubuntu channels?
[08:27] <speedy2782> or debian chanels
[08:27] <speel> speedy2782, try the forums
[08:27] <firdel> i wonder what the average age is inhere
[08:27] <speedy2782> I have been all over the forums
[08:27] <squallbsr> StoffBox-Steve: get the .deb and install it yourself?
[08:27] <da5id> i'm wondering if anyone knows this problem, i'm using hoary, have mplayer, libfaac, w32codecs and all installed, it will play all kinds of video files, even some odd quicktime i have with weird qualcom audio codec, except when I try to play any 256k mp4 file from prelinger archives, i.e. "duck and cover" I have no sound. What's weirder, I have mplayer and older packages running on Mandrake and it will play far less -- exept those weird mp4 prel
[08:27] <da5id> inger files, any ideas?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> ijuz: well, putting a module in /etc/modules isn't too tough, is it ;-)
[08:27] <StoffBox-Steve> seems the only way squallbsr :(
[08:28] <thoreauputic> firdel: probably about 15 ;-)
[08:28] <socketbind> howdy, is it possible to have gnome 2.10 on warty?
[08:28] <firdel> yeiks
[08:28] <socketbind> without compuling is
[08:28] <socketbind> it
[08:28] <socketbind> ehheh compiling it
[08:28] <socketbind> geez i can't get used to this keyboard :D
[08:28] <squallbsr> StoffBox-Steve, apt is a great package manager, try using RH9, where YOU have to figure out the order in which to install all of the bazillion of kde packages in exactly the right order...
[08:29] <socketbind> any idea? :D i want to stay at warty
[08:29] <drspin> can I "hdparm" my scsi HD and CD drive?
[08:29] <socketbind> are there available any backports for it?
[08:29] <speedy2782> I feel windows getting reinstalled on this laptop
[08:30] <StoffBox-Steve> yeah apt is lovey but the new release from hoary look a bit ugly ;)  squallbsr
[08:30] <firdel> thoreauputic, i dont wanna spoil you saturday evening, but do you have any recomendations on how to get my res up higher? how bout you get user/pass and fix me up good over ssh ;)
[08:30] <blizah> anyone know what fglrx drivers hoary comes with
[08:30] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: I guess they can't please everybody :)
[08:30] <ijuz> drspin: just add your hdparm lines to /etc/init.d/rcS    but you should not have to do anythign for SCSI drives
[08:31] <da5id> why would you do something like that speedy2782?
[08:31] <reon> "nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)"  Looks fine in 2.6.10-27
[08:31] <squallbsr> StoffBox-Steve: there is always something worse out there...
[08:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: heh - have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:31] <speedy2782> because this laptop is worthless without wireless
[08:31] <drspin> ijuz: but my performance seems to suck...
[08:31] <ijuz> thoreauputic: still inconvient, modconf is better
[08:31] <speedy2782> might as well keep my desktop
[08:31] <firdel> nopes, ill do it right away
[08:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: if you are on hoary...
[08:31] <firdel> i am now
[08:31] <firdel> i think ;D
[08:31] <thoreauputic> ijuz: OK whatever you say ... :)
[08:32] <StoffBox-Steve> thoreauputic, i know ... i reinstalled warty today and than upgrade to hoary ... last time i do this ( 2 weeks ago ) all was fine .... looks like i have to wait a bit so KDE and nvidia works again
[08:32] <ijuz> drspin: how fast is the scsi disk? how much speed to you get?
[08:32] <squallbsr> FOR ALL YOU NVIDIA PEOPLE: If you have a via chipset and agpgart in the kernel, you need to google around for using the NvAPG instead of the kernel module.  VIA is known to cause problems with some nvidia cards on some via chipsets...
[08:32] <lunitik> ijuz: modconf doesn't help at all if you don't know what you need... and takes longer than simply googleing and typing 'modprobe what_good_said"
[08:32] <laggerzero> woot this kernel has cpad modules built in
[08:32] <lunitik> what_google_said*
[08:32] <Teal`c_> gnome-btdownload should be removed.. completely.. it a pos , sorry
[08:33] <laggerzero> probably going to have to reinstall my kernel drivers though
[08:33] <laggerzero> for nvidia
[08:33] <firdel> thoreauputic, im asked:  Please enter the video card's bus identifier.
[08:33] <drspin> ijuz: I have the controller set to optimum settings I think...
[08:33] <socketbind> squallbsr: mine works fine with AGPGART is it better to use nvAGP?
[08:33] <lunitik> Teal`c_: eh... care to elaborate?
[08:33] <drspin> I'm pretty new to this scsi stuff
[08:33] <thoreauputic> firdel: leave that - not necessary
[08:33] <Brunellus> Hi there.
[08:33] <Brunellus> trying to isntall samba via synaptic
[08:33] <firdel> PCI:1:0:0 is default, but im guessing it should be agp something
[08:33] <firdel> ok
[08:33] <ijuz> lunitik: i mostly don't need google, but ok, i don't care about usability
[08:34] <lunitik> Teal`c_: It worked for me... decent speeds too...
[08:34] <ijuz> drspin: optimal settings? what should that be?
[08:34] <Brunellus> and I get an error on the install..
[08:34] <Teal`c_> lunitik, it doesnt save settings, the file selector doesnt use the one in the latest gnome, command line arguments dont work.... nuf said
[08:34] <squallbsr> socketbind: I had numerous X crashes with my VIA chipset on an old epox MB (Athlon classic), NvAGP was the answer.
[08:34] <Teal`c_> cant change ports because of that
[08:34] <drspin> agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[08:34] <drspin> agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[08:34] <drspin> agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
[08:34] <Teal`c_> basically useless for most people
[08:34] <Brunellus> synaptic tells me I have dangling symlinks
[08:34] <Brunellus> and I don't know what's going on
[08:34] <socketbind> squallbsr: well mine is an ASUS, kt400a chipset, works very nicely
[08:34] <lunitik> ijuz: if you know what you need... modprobe just makes things take longer... its not a matter of usability, usability would be "plug it in and just work"...
[08:34] <socketbind> squallbsr: just can't get to work the fast writes
[08:35] <drspin> ijuz: the defaults -- which are the fastest settings...
[08:35] <socketbind> squallbsr: though i have it enabled in the bios, there must be some way to enforce it
[08:35] <ijuz> drspin: so why you are claiming it's slow when it's optimal?
[08:35] <lunitik> ijuz: s/modprobe/modconf/
[08:36] <socketbind> anyway DOES anybody know gnome 2.10 backports for warty?
[08:36] <ijuz> lunitik: yes, for example mandrake installed and configured my tv card :-)
[08:36] <socketbind> or must i compile it if I want one
[08:36] <Brunellus> help.
[08:36] <lunitik> socketbind: why would you want to do that? just use hoary  :/
[08:36] <Brunellus> I'm trying to install samba
[08:36] <Brunellus> and it won't confirm changes/configure samba
[08:36] <lunitik> ijuz: 'apt-get install tvtime' ... and it will work  :/
[08:36] <socketbind> lunitik: well i would stay at a stable release
[08:36] <Brunellus> because of a "dangling symlink" error
[08:36] <drspin> ijuz: let's try this  -- just because my hardware is optimally configured does not mean that the software is optimally configured... so could you point me to a good "using scsi in linux" tutorial?
[08:36] <lunitik> socketbind: everything is stable upstream  :/
[08:36] <socketbind> lunitik: i need a very stable system
[08:36] <nicc_> socketbind: yes stay, its a lot better
[08:36] <squallbsr> socketbind: there is a whole bunch of "Option  blah" available for the nvidia driver - you'll have to google it - since I haven't gotten around to fully setting up mine yet...
[08:37] <lunitik> socketbind: then you don't want a gnome x.x.0 release
[08:37] <nicc_> socketbind: and wait for gnome 2.10, there is really no need to hurry
[08:37] <Brunellus> is anyone running samba on warty?
[08:37] <squallbsr> lunitik: get debian, or stick with warty for stability.  Choose a BSD, and definitely stay AWAY from gentoo.
[08:37] <socketbind> okeydokey :D
[08:37] <drspin> Brunellus: I use Samba on warty
[08:37] <socketbind> squallbsr: well i've found those
[08:37] <lunitik> squallbsr: what?
[08:37] <squallbsr> lunitik: you said you need a very stable system...
[08:37] <Brunellus> drspin:  I'm trying to install samba via synaptic
[08:38] <socketbind> does i need to put it before or after the alias in modprobe.conf
[08:38] <lunitik> squallbsr: no I didn't.
[08:38] <socketbind> squallbsr: i said i need one :D
[08:38] <Brunellus> and the samba package doesn't configure
[08:38] <socketbind> squallbsr: i know that fast writes can make it unstable
[08:38] <drspin> Brunellus: why not?
[08:38] <Brunellus> "dangling symlinks"
[08:38] <squallbsr> lunitik: sorry, I cannot read...
[08:38] <lunitik> squallbsr: learn
[08:38] <ijuz> lunitik: no, it loads the tuner module with the wrong options (i don't know what's changed, but apt-get install xawtv is enough on a debian system)
[08:38] <Brunellus> "invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba"
[08:38] <socketbind> well but these options do need to be placed before or after nvidia aliases in modprobe.conf?
[08:39] <drspin> Brunellus: can't help you there -- try searching on google "ubuntu dangling symlinks"
[08:39] <socketbind> oh modules.conf
[08:39] <socketbind> i have only that
[08:39] <squallbsr> lunitik: learn what?  your name was in that line, it was from socketbind to you.
[08:39] <ijuz> drspin: no, it should really just work
[08:39] <socketbind> well but these options do need to be placed before or after nvidia aliases in modprobe.conf?
[08:39] <drspin> ijuz: ok -- thanks :)
[08:39] <da5id> anyone experience with aac audio and hoary?
[08:39] <ijuz> drspin: if it's possible to tune something it's fucked, like for example ide
[08:39] <lunitik> ijuz: *shrug* installing tvtime worked here... xawtv sucks though.
[08:39] <t325> dampjam try right clicking on ipod's icon
[08:40] <drspin> ijuz: heh - but I can tune the shit out of my IDE on this system and more than double my throughput --
[08:40] <jdk15> legends in mpg4 anyone?
[08:40] <drspin> ijuz: on certain drives ;)
[08:40] <laggerzero> time to compile
[08:40] <laggerzero> if this works off of the first boot it will be a miracle
[08:40] <ijuz> lunitik: can't cut and waste...  "tuner: TV freq (0.00) out of range (44-958)"
[08:40] <drspin> I used xawtv -- it's simple and I like it
[08:41] <drspin> this was more than a year ago though
[08:41] <speedy2782> why would ndiswrapper show hardware as present but not list it as wlan0
[08:42] <laggerzero> do a modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:42] <laggerzero> i bet my wireless won't work after i reinstall the kernel
[08:42] <laggerzero> leme get those nvidia drivers ready
[08:42] <ijuz> lunitik: stop, the xawtv install loaded the module, i'll try to install tvtime again
[08:42] <laggerzero> i know its not gonna let me back into x
[08:42] <firdel> no luck with the screen res thoreauputic :l
[08:43] <firdel> told X to use 1280*1024@60hz, but the only choice i have is 640*480@60hz
[08:43] <reon> firdel, try editing the xorg.conf file
[08:44] <reon> i had a similair problem on array5
[08:44] <pestilence> is there a gnome vnc client?
[08:45] <laggerzero> man i missed a bunch on this kernel. i see a lot more fat to trim off
[08:46] <squallbsr> pestilence: you are actually probably looking for a gnome frontend to something like tightvnc or realvnc.  Do a search of such.  As for rdesktop - there is grdesktop (gnome ui for rdesktop)
[08:46] <firdel> ups
[08:46] <firdel> come again
[08:46] <scizzo> pestilence: there is one included in GNOME now
[08:46] <pestilence> scizzo: what's it called
[08:46] <laggerzero> oh crap now i know what i forgot. all the network crap
[08:47] <pestilence> squallbsr: i'm looking for vncviewer, gnome version
[08:47] <Funraiser> somebody is using PAN here?
[08:47] <pestilence> squallbsr: there is one for kde, just wondering if there was one for gnome
[08:47] <scizzo> wait a sec
[08:47] <reon> firdel, did you try and edit the xorg.conf ?
[08:47] <pestilence> and it seems like since there is a frontend for the server there should be one for the viewer
[08:48] <farruinn> pestilence: look under applications>interent, I think it's there
[08:48] <firdel> well, im creating one now, i cant find an existing one
[08:48] <Teal`c_> anybody wanna get high with me ?
[08:48] <firdel> i have to answer 101 questions
[08:48] <pestilence> farruinn: not in hoary, at least i don't see one
[08:48] <laggerzero> now i've got to compile all over :(
[08:48] <ijuz> lunitik: somehow the module is loaded when booting with the wrong options
[08:48] <BleSS> somebody with thinkpad laptop can tell me the output of 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name'
[08:49] <scizzo> if I am not wrong I used the Terminal Server Client to connect to my computer once with VNC
[08:49] <reon> firdel, no /etx/X11/xorg.conf file ?
[08:49] <scizzo> it handles a lot of different protocols from what it seems and using it against VNC shouldn't be a problem
[08:49] <reon> etc
[08:49] <farruinn> pestilence: terminal server client
[08:49] <firdel> nopes
[08:49] <farruinn> pestilence: change rdp to vnc
[08:49] <firdel> oh
[08:50] <firdel> hang on
[08:50] <laggerzero> firdel, are you using warty or hoary?
[08:50] <laggerzero> warty uses xfree86
[08:50] <firdel> hoary
[08:50] <laggerzero> nm then
[08:50] <scizzo> pestilence: Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
[08:50] <pestilence> farruinn: that seems like the wrong name...
[08:51] <pestilence> i associate terminal server with other things.
[08:51] <farruinn> pestilence: if you don't like it file a bug, but that's what you're looking for
[08:51] <farruinn> pestilence: _client_
[08:51] <farruinn> oh
[08:51] <pestilence> farruinn: ok, thanks
[08:51] <firdel> reon, found it
[08:51] <scizzo> pestilence: its not a VNC only client
[08:51] <pestilence> scizzo: gotcha
[08:51] <reon> firdel, i need some info from the file
[08:51] <pestilence> i just wouldn't have looked for a vncviewer under "terminal server client"
[08:52] <blizah> could one of ya see what version of the ati drivers fglrx hoary comes with (im just curiuous so i can see how uptodate they are)
[08:52] <laggerzero> here is a quick question. debian uses different run levels then any other distro. what run level besides 1 is console only?
[08:52] <laggerzero> nvidia drivers might not install in single user
[08:52] <will50n> someone who could help me about ubuntu please!!1
[08:52] <reon> firdel, go to Section "Monitor"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[08:52] <firdel> 	Driver		"nv"
[08:52] <firdel> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[08:52] <firdel> EndSection
[08:52] <farruinn> laggerzero: debian/ubuntu doesn't do the runlevel magic
[08:52] <firdel> Section "Monitor"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Identifier	"Sony 200ES"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Option		"DPMS"
[08:52] <firdel> EndSection
[08:52] <firdel> Section "Screen"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[08:52] <naibed> flood!
[08:52] <firdel> 	Monitor		"Sony 200ES"
[08:52] <firdel> 	DefaultDepth	24
[08:53] <firdel> 	SubSection "Display"
[08:53] <laggerzero> will the nvidia drivers install in runlevel 1?
[08:53] <firdel> 		Depth		1
[08:53] <firdel> 		Modes		"1152x864" "1024x768"
[08:53] <reon> firdel, what are your hor & ver refresh ranges ?
[08:53] <firdel> shit sry
[08:53] <firdel> i thougt i pasted that in priv
[08:53] <farruinn> laggerzero: install or load?
[08:53] <laggerzero> install
[08:53] <will50n> install
[08:53] <laggerzero> it won't work while in x
[08:53] <will50n> i need wo install more than 2 OS
[08:53] <firdel> 1152x864@75hz
[08:53] <firdel> max
[08:53] <will50n> what boot manager to use?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:53] <will50n> or how configurate
[08:54] <BleSS> somebody with laptop can tell me the output of 'grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices'? I need it to finishing a tools for autoconfiguration in live systems
[08:54] <laggerzero> ok
[08:54] <Funraiser> nobody's using a grabit-like here?
[08:54] <Funraiser> ?
[08:54] <laggerzero> will do that on next reboot
[08:54] <laggerzero> kernel almost done compiling
[08:54] <will50n> help
[08:54] <speedy2782> laggerzero, any new ideas on my wifi
[08:54] <reon> firdel, no, under Section "Monitor" you should have HorzSync & VertRefresh
[08:54] <will50n> please send some privates
[08:54] <firdel> hang on
[08:54] <laggerzero> try a different driver?
[08:54] <laggerzero> not all drivers work the same
[08:54] <reon> firdel, go to the DCC window
[08:54] <speedy2782> I am trying a different wifi card actually
[08:55] <critter> IS there any way to get xmms to play wma files
[08:55] <speedy2782> this one shows up as present
[08:55] <speedy2782> but won't do anything else
[08:55] <speedy2782> it won't show up as wlan0
[08:55] <laggerzero> it might come up as eth1
[08:55] <laggerzero> do an iwconfig
[08:55] <speedy2782> nothing new comes up
[08:55] <speedy2782> just eth0 and lo
[08:56] <will50n> help with a boot manager? please some ideas ...
[08:56] <laggerzero> Installed ndis drivers:
[08:56] <laggerzero> bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present
[08:56] <laggerzero> i get that
[08:56] <laggerzero> when doing ndiswrapper -l