[09:07] <Guest60208> hello, I have a problem on nexus 4 with OTA13, during phone calls if I connect the headphones I can hear a noise, like an interference...however, if I disconnect the headphones everything is ok, but it's ok also when I listen to music with headphones...
[09:08] <Guest60208> so this noise is present only during phone calls and headphones are connected, what can it be?
[12:58] <matv1> sil2100 I miss your landing emails for phone/touch :/ have they been discontinued ?
[13:27] <am2> i want to use ubuntu-sdk  for ubuntutouch and Nexus 5, is that possible?
[13:35] <dobey> am2: you want to run it /on/ your phone, or you want to just build an app using the sdk on your pc and run ubuntu on your nexus 5?
[13:35] <am2> thank you for the reply. both of them
[13:36] <am2> Nexus 5 is already has Ubuntu installed
[13:36] <dobey> well the latter you can definitely do. you can probably run the sdk on the phone via libertine, but i suspect it will be terribly non-performant
[13:38] <am2> sdk has been installed on my computer which is a x86_64, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, Trusty
[13:38] <am2> i have connected the computer to the mobile phone by USB ports
[13:39] <mterry> bfiller: the dialer branch can just go in your normal silo then, since you already have one.  Thanks!
[13:40] <am2> i am trying to build an application by ubuntu-sdk on my computer and then run it on the phone, or transfering its image to the phone to become executed each time when i click on it
[13:41] <bfiller> mterry, ack
[13:43] <am2> ubuntu-sdk has an icon: Devices, when i click on it, it says:   Search configured emulator instances...  Detecting device..
[13:43] <am2> it stops at this stage forever
[13:44] <dobey> am2: do you have developer mode enabled on the phone and the screen is unlocked when you try to connect from sdk?
[13:45] <am2> yes , screen is unlocked and the developer mode , yes , it is active. let me double check that
[13:49] <am2> is it activated by bootloader?
[13:54] <am2> @dobey, wonderful, thank you so much, after enabling "developer mode" every thing is OK now
[13:55] <dobey> ok
[13:56] <am2> but it says: There is currently no kit defined for your device.
[13:56] <am2> let Qt creator auto create one or i can choose an existing one?
[13:59] <dobey> i'm not sure
[13:59] <dobey> #ubuntu-app-devel is probably a better channel for your questions really
[14:00] <am2> @dobey,  Thank you a lot
[14:50] <Migush>  I need some help with compiling ubuntu touch: the guide sais "Add your hardware specific git repositories under phablet/hardware." But where do I find my hardware specific repos?
[14:51] <Acou_Bass> Migush: i think you get those from the hw vendor ysually :P
[14:53] <Migush> I'm a noob, and don't really know where to find those (Vendor=asus)
[14:54] <Migush> I do have those: https://github.com/TheMuppets/proprietary_vendor_asus
[14:55] <Migush> *these
[14:58] <Migush> please...
[15:08] <Migush> Wich branch is the master branch? eg 4.4.2 6.0.0
[15:34] <helu> can someone tell how to know wich are the hardware specifig git repositories ?
[15:37] <dobey> it's the device tree which you would get from the manufacturer. as has been said several times
[20:24] <barry> sil2100: ping
[20:56] <sil2100> barry: pong
[20:57] <sil2100> barry: thanks for the reviews! Let me address those as soon as possible :)


[22:56] <rapacity> hey Armageddon don't start a fight :p
[22:57] <Armageddon> do you want to be represented but such an interview ? :o
[22:57] <Armageddon> I wouldn't
[22:58] <Armageddon> he's proud for all the wrong reasons :/
[23:03] <rapacity> well I wouldn't either
[23:04] <rapacity> but I no longer use ubuntu p
[23:04] <rapacity> :p
[23:06] <Armageddon> but we are still here helping the users
[23:06] <Armageddon> if I would be to watch that interview before coming here, I wouldn't even think of coming here to get help
[23:07] <rapacity> what users man :p?
[23:07] <rapacity> I mean sure on the other channel
[23:07] <rapacity> but how often do people ask help on this channel ?
[23:07] <Armageddon> you got a point
[23:07] <Armageddon> it's probably cause of that interview !
[23:08] <Armageddon> see ! now you know why !
[23:08] <Armageddon> but you never made the connection before probably
[23:08] <rapacity> :p
[23:11] <Armageddon> there you go
[23:11] <Armageddon> I threw in a little joke at the end !
[23:11] <Armageddon> happy ?
[23:15] <Armageddon> oh forgot to send it to the list :d
[23:15] <Armageddon> and I told you his name is bob


[12:36] <aboyousif> is it normal to find more thank 1 apache2 task in xfce-taskmanager ?
[12:37] <Jester45> yes
[12:37] <aboyousif> Jester45, even if it is 10 ?
[12:37] <Jester45> well it depends on your apache config
[12:38] <Jester45> each new client starts a new process
[12:38] <Jester45> but at startup it have by defualt 5 i think
[12:38] <aboyousif> Jester45, aha ..got it .. thanks
[12:39] <Jester45> np
[12:53] <Artokal> Is there a place on the Xubuntu website where I can find a list of all the programs that come with the "xubuntu-desktop" package?
[01:09] <Jester45> umm
[01:09] <Jester45> !xubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[01:10] <Jester45> !info xubuntu-desktop
[01:10] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: Xubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.29 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[01:10] <Jester45> nope not that i know of
[01:12] <Artokal> Hmm
[01:12] <Artokal> Guess I'll just put it on my empty server install and find out :)
[01:14] <Jester45> Artokal: you dont have to install
[01:14] <Jester45> if you start to install it will tell you want you need to get
[01:14] <BFTD> yo all
[01:15] <BFTD> !sudoku
[01:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoku - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <Jester45> the "extra" packages are what it depends on
[01:15] <BFTD> !info sudoku
[01:15] <ubotu> sudoku: console based sudoku. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 116 kB
[01:15] <Jester45> !info sudoku
[01:16] <BFTD> what a good sudoku?
[01:16] <Jester45> flash ones?
[01:17] <Artokal> Nah, I wanted to get xubuntu anyways, but I just dident know what programs it came with from an install (the xubuntu-desktop package should be the same as installing it from the cd? right?)
[01:17] <BFTD> any
[01:17] <Jester45> yea
[01:17] <Jester45> i would get a flash ones
[01:18] <Jester45> i my self dont like the game
[01:19] <BFTD> oh
[01:19] <BFTD> not a math person eh?
[01:19] <Jester45> im fine with math
[01:20] <BFTD> they should add a sourceforge repo
[01:20] <Jester45> but i would rather play a game
[01:20] <BFTD> that would be awesome
[01:20] <BFTD> which game>?
[01:20] <Jester45> many depends on what im one and what i have to play
[01:21] <Jester45> as school i cant install anything so i cant play good games
[01:21] <BFTD> pity
[01:21] <BFTD> Kbounce!!
[01:22] <Jester45> and depending on the class room i can ftp a game or play with photoshop
[01:23] <BFTD> ah
[01:24] <Artokal> BFTD: A sourceforge repo would be pretty sweet
[01:25] <Jester45> i dont see how it would work
[01:26] <Jester45> unless you had someone to test all the projects
[01:26] <Jester45> and have all the projects state dependacies
[01:27] <Artokal> Hmm, it would be a big hassle, but just imagine how awsome it would be it it all magicaly worked :P
[01:27] <BFTD> yeah it would be a lot of work, you would have to notify the maintainers of the projects and ask them to pitch in
[01:27] <Jester45> i mean
[01:28] <Jester45> someone could make it a third party repo with a script that excules mac/windows sources
[01:28] <Jester45> and give you no promisses that it would work
[01:29] <Jester45> and the mantanier could get a few people to try each one or some people to make a list of depenacies
[01:29] <Jester45> it would never be able to have a supported thing
[01:29] <Jester45> it would be a repo that you add from guides to get s special version of somthing
[01:29] <Jester45> one of those
[01:33] <BFTD> yeah
[01:34] <BFTD> which is fine
[01:37] <Jester45> can wget download anything in a directory?
[01:37] <Jester45> like download the directory
[01:44] <BFTD> Jester45 I think so
[02:03] <BFTD> quite
[02:04] <Jester45> normaly is
[02:05] <aboyousif> Jester45, did you able to get the directory contents with wget ?
[02:05] <Jester45> nope
[02:06] <aboyousif> Jester45, i tried before more than once and i fail too .. if the files are series you can do a sript to write their urls to a file and then run wget -i filename
[02:06] <Lectus> Hello! I download the ISO, but when I burned to the CD it was with some problem on the CD, so I couldn't start it. Now I installed xubuntu using apt-get xubuntu-desktop. I'm running it, ok. But the menus are now very messed up. Is there a way to fix that?
[02:06] <Jester45> aboyousif: its a few hundred files
[02:07] <Jester45> Lectus: remove all the gnome or kde stuff
[02:08] <Lectus> how?
[02:08] <Jester45> thats more tricky
[02:08] <Jester45> you have to know thatpackages are messing the menu
[02:09] <Jester45> if you find a package where you dont want and dont need the package, remove it
[02:09] <Jester45> but i have to go
[02:10] <Lectus> I think I'm going to download the ISO again. I liked xubuntu, but I don't know why I ran the CD check at boot time it was broke. Is there a way to prevent that the next time I burn it? Is there a md5 or something?
[02:11] <Pumpernickel> There is, and it should be available from the same download page.
[02:13] <Lectus> Another thing: the windows and menus are not completely in my native language. it's mixed with english
[02:13] <T`> anyeone herae able to use WPA on ubuntu? never works for me
[02:13] <Lectus> Probably because gnome is installed too?
[02:22] <leskov_oleg> /LIST
[02:25] <Lectus> So, I was using Ubuntu with Gnome... now I installed xubuntu-desktop and liked it more. Can I uninstall Gnome to have a instalation as if I just installed xubuntu?
[02:27] <Pumpernickel> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && apt-get autoremove should take out most of it.
[02:31] <sl00> Where can I find a list of packages that will be installed by default if I install Xutunbu?
[02:34] <cjae> I apologize on behalf of my dumb friend posting up rubbish and for me not locking the screen or smacking him with a stick which I still might do
[02:36] <cjae> sorry wrong channel
[02:38] <cjae> how do make opticals auto umount
[02:40] <BFTD> /etc/fstab
[03:27] <BFTD> ups hates me
[03:36] <BFTD> !!!!!!
[03:36] <BFTD> ITS HERE!!!!
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> anyone get the bcm43xx driver to work in fiesty?
[04:29] <neozen> greetings all
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> *wave* neozen
[04:30] <neozen> hey there
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> know anyone who got a bcm43xx wireless to work?
[04:31] <neozen> lol
[04:31] <neozen> yeah
[04:31] <neozen> ndiswrapper
[04:32] <neozen> is apparently the one true way
[04:32] <neozen> lol
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> without ndiswrapper
[04:32] <neozen> nope
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> with the native driver?
[04:32] <neozen> nope
[04:32] <neozen> though my experience is still limited
[04:33] <neozen> I've only set up...... about 5 of that series of card
[04:33] <neozen> ...I've just used ndiswrapper because it worked
[04:33] <neozen> ...didn't really have time (or desire since they weren't my cards) to mess around w/ doing it the Right way
[04:33] <neozen> lol
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> with that kind of thinking...i might as well use windows
[04:34] <neozen> ...........
[04:34] <neozen> your choice I suppose
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> my choice is to get this card to work with the native driver in linux
[04:35] <neozen> ok
[04:35] <neozen> you have fun with that
[04:35] <neozen> ...make it a quest
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> or not to use it at all
[04:35] <neozen> ...I have a friend that went that route
[04:36] <neozen> bought an atheros-based card... and it just worked
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> the OTHER laptop needs a pcmcia card (as yet unpurchased)
[04:38] <neozen> lol
[04:38] <neozen> ...this is why there can be only one
[04:38] <neozen> my old one lives in the closet as a paper weight...
[04:38] <neozen> ....it deserves it
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> does it have a pcmcia card that is NOT bcm43xx?
[04:39] <neozen> had power issues... then went kersplat in the middle of saving a term paper
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> hehe ill pay shipping!
[04:39] <neozen> ....I used a prism2_usb in that thing
[04:39] <neozen> namely the ma111v1
[04:39] <neozen> not exactly out of box... but something resembling it
[04:40] <neozen> out of box working that is
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> i figured that was what ya meant
[04:57] <neozen> well... time to watch firefly
[04:57] <neozen> its been too long
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> !paste
[05:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:07] <BFTD> how do I convert whatever-video-format to .avi?
[05:14] <VxJasonxV> mplayer / mencode
[05:14] <VxJasonxV> +r
[05:24] <BFTD> someone write a frontend for ffmpeg encoding
[05:27] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: http://en.linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_Convert_video_files
[05:47] <cellofellow> is there some command that will just log out xfce4? Something scriptable.
[05:56] <BFTD> onmy player it has a .trash folder, how do I remove that?
[05:56] <BFTD> I got it
[06:00] <BFTD> !raw
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about raw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <FrozenDawn> hello there
[06:12] <BFTD> hi
[06:13] <FrozenDawn> good evening.
[06:13] <FrozenDawn> I've just installed an xubuntu
[06:13] <FrozenDawn> and now I am seeking the configs to cups
[06:14] <FrozenDawn> do you happen to know where they are ?
[06:16] <FrozenDawn> (is cups up by default ?)
[06:27] <VxJasonxV> FrozenDawn, start the process if you haven't already ( sudo /etc/init.d/cups start ) and then open a web browser to http://localhost:631
[06:27] <VxJasonxV> there's probably a better way to do it, but I don't remember what it is :)
[06:37] <FrozenDawn> thank you very much
[06:38] <FrozenDawn> i got no /etc/init.d/cups. just cupsys. It should work, right ?
[06:39] <VxJasonxV> mmm
[06:39] <VxJasonxV> yeah, should
[06:40] <FrozenDawn> do you know if there is a difference ?
[06:59] <VxJasonxV> Nope
[07:19] <FrozenDawn> well, just printed my first page on the new system
[07:19] <FrozenDawn> seams I am ready to go
[07:19] <FrozenDawn> thanks
[07:19] <FrozenDawn> (and I am off now, so, goodbye !)
[07:27] <trippppy> im trying to automate a bunch of commands but i don't know where to start. even on google.
[07:49] <Pumpernickel> Which commands?
[09:26] <Merchelo> where would i find info about a unix machine, as in specs and OS and the like?
[09:36] <TheSheep> Merchelo: unix machine?
[09:37] <Merchelo> well one is some sort of sparc server, the other is a dell server, and a normal pc running xubuntu
[09:38] <TheSheep> Merchelo: 'uname -a' should tell you about the system (at least about the kernel)
[09:38] <TheSheep> Merchelo: if there is /proc, you can check /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo
[09:39] <Merchelo> cool thanks
[09:39] <TheSheep> Merchelo: on the xubuntu, you can use 'lspci' to list connected devices
[09:39] <Myrtti> lsusb too
[09:39] <TheSheep> Merchelo: I think there was also some program that collects all that info, lshw or something
[09:40] <TheSheep> !info lshw
[09:40] <ubotu> lshw: information about hardware configuration. In component main, is standard. Version 02.08.01-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 284 kB, installed size 712 kB
[09:41] <Merchelo> yeah, gottit thanks, just wondering the number of cpu's on each machine
[09:48] <guigz> hello,is there ppc xubuntu port?
[09:48] <guigz> I'd like to revive anot so old mac
[09:48] <Merchelo> !ppc | guigz
[09:48] <ubotu> guigz: PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[09:49] <guigz> why?
[09:49] <Merchelo> why up to edgy ?
[11:43] <b52new> hey, i installed xubuntu-desktop after i installed the normal ubuntu
[11:43] <b52new> then i purged ubuntu-desktop but gnome is still there
[11:44] <b52new> can someone help me
[11:52] <grazie> b52new: removing ubuntu by removing ubuntu-desktop does not work. There's a good link somewhere...lemme find it for you. A fresh install is best though
[11:52] <b52new> but now i still installed ubuntu normal :/
[11:55] <grazie> b52new: I don't follow
[01:17] <genshu> hi!
[01:17] <Jester45> hi
[01:17] <genshu> i'm running a mongrel server for my RoR apps and now I want to show it to public, i can access the server via localhost:3000 - but by just entering my ip:3000 it doesnt work
[01:18] <genshu> how can i route it through?
[01:18] <Myrtti> mmmm
[01:18] <Myrtti> how does this relate to xfce?
[01:18] <genshu> xfce??
[01:18] <Jester45> are you sure thats your ip some isp use proxies that cover the real ip
[01:18] <Myrtti> just a thought...
[01:19] <genshu> hm, i should get my ip by ifconfig, right?
[01:19] <genshu> but well this is my local ip then
[01:19] <Jester45> genshu: thats right
[01:20] <genshu> the local works, problem: only for me
[01:20] <genshu> i want to show the page a friend who's not in my local net
[01:21] <genshu> any ideas?
[01:21] <genshu> i'm quite stupid on that topic
[01:22] <Jester45> what kind of sever?
[01:23] <genshu> mongrel
[01:23] <genshu> ruby server
[01:23] <Jester45> i never used it
[01:23] <genshu> i have an idea! isn't there a program, that routes the ip?
[01:23] <genshu> i forgot it's name
[01:24] <genshu> you start it, it checks your local ip and routes it via a service to an xy.ip2go.com or somewhat like this
[01:24] <Jester45> maybe you have to get DynDns going
[01:24] <genshu> yes that was the name!! thank you :)
[01:24] <Jester45> o
[01:25] <Jester45> and if you are using apt you can after setting up the service install ddclient to autoupdate
[01:27] <genshu> perfect!
[01:27] <genshu> thank you a lot
[02:24] <b52new> whats the name of the network manager of xubuntu?
[02:26] <aboyousif> !netwok-manager | b52new
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netwok-manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <aboyousif> !network-manager | b52new
[02:26] <ubotu> b52new: networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[02:29] <b52new> aboyousif when i make sudo aptitude install networkmanager he tells it doesnt exist
[02:30] <aboyousif> b52new, it is network-manager not networkmanager
[02:30] <aboyousif> b52new, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=network-manager&searchon=names&subword=1&version=feisty&release=all
[02:41] <b52new> aboyousif network-manager is ot installed
[02:41] <b52new> so which package is the std network manager on xubuntu?=
[02:45] <aboyousif> b52new, run sudo network-admin
[02:45] <aboyousif> brb
[03:11] <Lectus> Hello
[03:11] <Lectus> I just installed Xubuntu
[03:11] <Lectus> What package do I need to play mp3 files?
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> lec
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> i lost it
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> Lectus, would you mind having codecs for nearly every media format?
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> I have a long command that installs everything
[03:25] <Lectus> ok
[03:25] <Lectus> what command?
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> Lectus: libxine-extracodecs, for Edgy and earlier, or libxine1-ffmpeg for Feisty.
[03:25] <Catoptromancy> well pastebin is frozen
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> That will work with xfmedia or any other xine-based media player.
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> looks like it install gxine too
[03:27] <Lectus> ok... thanks
[03:27] <Lectus> I'll try
[03:27] <Catoptromancy> I use kaffeine and it works nearly perfect
[03:27] <Catoptromancy> some odd video format is kinda blurry
[03:28] <Lectus> Also, I've noted that Xubuntu comes only with Abiword. I want also to have a presentations program (Powerpoint-like), so I should install OpenOffice, right? Or are there any lighter solution?
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> openoffice is great
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> abiword has mem leaks
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> sometimes I open a txt and close it
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> and my cpu flat lines red
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> and I need to terminate abiword
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> I jsut erased it, openoffice and mousepad all i use
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> dunno what happen to abiword
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> Lectus, if your ubuntu didnt come with openoffice
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> you probably dont have feisty
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> my feisty came with it
[03:32] <Lectus> Nope... I have feisty
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[03:32] <Lectus> but I installed only Xubuntu
[03:32] <pleia2> I am not sure xubuntu has openoffice
[03:32] <pleia2> Lectus: just install open office, yes
[03:32] <Lectus> I was using Ubuntu, and then I decided to do a clean install of Xubuntu as I liked it more
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> I have Alt CD of Xubuntu and it came with openoffice word processor
[03:32] <pleia2> unfortunately I don't believe there is a lighter solution :(
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> openoffice is pretty light compared to what it does
[03:33] <Lectus> Yes, ubuntu had openoffice and it was great. I'll unsintall Abiword and install OpenOffice which is more complete
[03:35] <Lectus> I'm using the aqua theme for Xubuntu, pretty beautiful and light :D
[03:35] <Lectus> better linux distro I installed so far
[03:35] <Lectus> and I've tried quite others
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> IU would put xfce on any distro
[03:36] <Lectus> yes... but I like ubuntu base
[03:36] <Lectus> and the repository
[03:36] <Catoptromancy> Ive been experimenting with slackware
[03:36] <Catoptromancy> but I dont think ill ever get rid of xubuntu
[03:36] <Catoptromancy> on my main PC
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> debian with xfce seems pretty sweet too
[03:38] <Lectus> I like the easy of installation and use of (K / X)ubuntu
[03:38] <aboyousif> any one tried fluxubuntu ?
[03:39] <Catoptromancy> I do have fluxbox
[03:39] <Catoptromancy> but i dont know command to switch to it
[03:39] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:44] <Lectus> I've first tried Kubuntu which looked to run faster than Ubuntu on the live cd, then I installed Ubuntu more polished. Then I installed xubuntu-desktop and liked XFCE a lot. So, I decided to have a clean install of Xubuntu, and download the ISO and installed. I'm now running Xubuntu with dual boot to WinXP. But, I'm very impressed. Xubuntu makes my desktop lighter and good looking.
[03:45] <Lectus> I wonder why they don't ship Xubuntu CDs as they do with Ubuntu and Kubuntu.. Xubuntu is the best one I've tried.
[03:50] <Catoptromancy> xfce is pretty small, you can just download it by itself
[03:50] <Catoptromancy> and install it on any other ubuntu
[03:51] <Catoptromancy> when you start it up, it should look llike xubuntu
[03:52] <Lectus> I don't need Gnome
[03:52] <Lectus> so I installed only xubuntu
[03:52] <Lectus> ;D
[03:52] <Catoptromancy> ive see nscreen shots
[03:52] <Catoptromancy> I dont really like how it looks
[03:52] <Catoptromancy> xfce is great
[03:53] <Lectus> When I installed xubundu-desktop from Ubuntu the menus looked messed up. So, I've decided to go with only xubuntu clean install and add the software I want.
[03:53] <Lectus> I'm ending up in less HD usage and lighter system
[03:54] <Catoptromancy> hehe
[03:55] <Catoptromancy> I cant switch distros now
[03:55] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu has worked nearly flawlessly
[03:55] <Catoptromancy> no real reason to switch
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> I wonder if there is a way to save my desktop/menu settings
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> I have a horribly customized desktop
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> would take a little while to set it up just like this again on another system
[03:56] <Lectus> I think if you have /home in another partition you can install other distro and restore your settings
[03:56] <Lectus> that's what I've been told at least
[03:57] <Catoptromancy> hmm
[03:57] <Catoptromancy> I was thinking more of putting it on a flashdrive
[03:57] <Catoptromancy> and doing a clean install
[03:58] <Catoptromancy> I have 5 things on ym tiny taskbar and it more effecinet than default
[03:58] <Lectus> yes... I don't mind losing my settings, that's why I do clean install every time I change. It also prevents unexpected bugs. I usually only backup documents.
[03:58] <Lectus> but it seems xubuntu is now perfect
[03:58] <Lectus> I won't switch anymore
[03:58] <Catoptromancy> I want to try slackware on my other PC, jsut to learn linux
[03:59] <Catoptromancy> debian works much different than more basic distros
[03:59] <Lectus> I'm learning Linux too. I'm trying more Linux programming (been Windows programmer for years)
[03:59] <Lectus> it's nice knowledge addition
[03:59] <Catoptromancy> Makefiles! gotta love em
[03:59] <Catoptromancy> I jsut started learning
[04:00] <Lectus> yep.. i already used GCC on windows (mingw) with makefiles
[04:00] <Catoptromancy> I converted my semi-complicated shell script to c++
[04:01] <Lectus> I just couldn't compile FLTK yet (my favorite GUI library). I wonder if anyone can help me. When I do make, it says it can't find X11 libraries.
[04:02] <Catoptromancy> sometimes you need to manually move .h and .so files into the right directory
[04:02] <Catoptromancy> but that error seems like a cfg file needs a path edited
[04:03] <Lectus> I've found people with same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=390938
[04:03] <Lectus> I'm reading this thread now :D
[04:16] <seshomaru123> hi- installed xfce4 on top of gnome , everything was cool, but after reboot i get nautilus taking over my xfce, help!
[04:19] <Lectus> I don't remember well, but at the login screen you can set XFCE to default to prevent that. Anyway, here I found it was better to do Xubuntu clean install as I don't need gnome.
[04:20] <seshomaru123> Lectus, i chose xfce as default
[04:21] <seshomaru123> i wouldn't like rto reinstall just to get rid of nautilus....
[04:21] <Lectus> I don't know. I'm Linux new user
[04:21] <Lectus> I just installed Xubuntu yesteday
[04:21] <Lectus> yesterday*
[04:23] <seshomaru123> oh....
[04:24] <seshomaru123> Lectus, do you know where to put start-up scripts in xfce?
[04:25] <Lectus> nope
[04:26] <aboyousif> seshomaru123, there autostarted applications in system
[04:28] <Lectus> yep... right at the menu you can choose autostarted applications
[06:05] <W8TAH> can someone PLEASE tell me how to put a terminal launcher on my right click menu - im goin crazy here
[06:12] <aboyousif> W8TAH, do you have a menu.xml file in /etc/xfce4 ?
[06:13] <W8TAH> one sec -- lemme look
[06:13] <W8TAH> i dont have an /etc/xfce4 folder
[06:15] <TheSheep> W8TAH: settings->menu editor  then add new item and save
[06:15] <W8TAH> ok
[06:15] <W8TAH> thanks
[06:16] <neozen> meep
[06:16] <W8TAH> TheSheep, that will put it on the applications menu, correct?
[06:16] <aboyousif> TheSheep, he wants it in the right click menu
[06:24] <TheSheep> aboyousif: it's the same
[06:26] <FrozenDawn> hello, guys
[06:30] <W8TAH> TheSheep, im afraid im being very dense today --- how do i add that to the right click menu by adding it to applications?
[06:33] <thezenmaster> Hi y'all!
[06:33] <TheSheep> W8TAH: the applications menu and the desktop's right click menu is the same thning
[06:33] <W8TAH> ok
[06:34] <thezenmaster> I just installed the nvidia-glx-legacy drivers and now my res is limited to 800x600@56hz ... it should do 1024x768@75
[06:34] <thezenmaster> Nvidia Aladdin TNT2
[06:34] <FrozenDawn> does anyone know how I can edit the "exit" menu on xubuntu ? (too many useless options, like hibernate ...)
[06:36] <TheSheep> FrozenDawn: settings->sessions and startup settings
[06:37] <W8TAH> is there someplace that xfce stores its menu in a text file so i can go look at it to find the right commands and stuff?
[06:38] <FrozenDawn> thanks sheep
[06:45] <W8TAH> TheSheep, it is showing up in my applications menu, but not on the right click menu -- i placed the launcher directly above Settings in the menu editor
[06:45] <TheSheep> W8TAH: the menu is generated from files in /usr/share/applications/
[06:46] <W8TAH> ok
[06:46] <TheSheep> W8TAH: do you use a non-standard menu for the button?
[06:46] <W8TAH> the right click button?
[06:46] <W8TAH> no
[06:46] <W8TAH> its whatever xubuntu came configured with
[06:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how was that with "nice" again? The higher the value the more important the taks?
[06:54] <losser> hola
[06:54] <losser> alguno me podria decir como puedo montar un hd con dos particiones ntfs
[06:54] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: man nice
[06:55] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: man renice
[06:55] <TheSheep> !es | losser
[06:55] <losser> lo monte al hd pero me sale solo 1 particion ntfs del hd?
[06:55] <ubotu> losser: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:55] <TheSheep> !ntfs | losser
[06:55] <ubotu> losser: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:55] <losser> oks
[06:55] <losser> thanks
[07:22] <W8TAH> TheSheep, did you receive my last info?
[07:29] <TheSheep> W8TAH: yes, but I have no more ideas -- it works for me
[07:30] <W8TAH> where on your application menu do you add them?
[07:30] <W8TAH> above or below the include
[07:31] <sqol> Can anyone shed some light for me? I'm trying to install Xubuntu from the cd, and i keep getting a 'The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda) failed.' error when the installer comes to partitioning. I've only got one 80gig hd in there, and i've got rid of everything on there- i'm not dual booting or saving anything, but i just can't seem to get it to format to...
[07:31] <sqol> ...ext3. cheers in advance guys!
[07:31] <W8TAH> sqol, use the alternate cd
[07:31] <W8TAH> do the text install
[07:31] <W8TAH> ive had similar issues and thats apparently the official work around
[07:32] <sqol> righto- am i able to download and burn that from this current live cd?
[07:32] <W8TAH> no -- you will need to get it from the website
[07:33] <W8TAH> you depending on hardware you might be able to do so under the live cd actually
[07:33] <W8TAH> depends if your burner is supported under the live cd
[07:33] <sqol> i'll have a go, ta for your help
[07:33] <W8TAH> no problem
[07:44] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: does LinuxMCE also run on Xubuntu Feisty?
[07:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no idea, what is that?
[07:47] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: LinuxMediaCenterEdition
[07:47] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: it looks quite nice to control your whole home entertainment and surveillance camera and and and and
[07:49] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: www.linuxmce.com
[07:52] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no gui here atm
[07:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: :) I'll try it with Xubuntu feisty... maybe it works
[07:53] <hyper_ch> it says Ubuntu 6.10
[08:17] <Jonex> Is there a server version of xubuntu?
[08:18] <Myrtti> um
[08:18] <Myrtti> server version of ubuntu comes with no gnome, xfce nor kde
[08:19] <Jonex> Oh, so, should I simply start with installing that, and then add what I want?
[08:19] <TheSheep> Jonex: yes
[08:19] <Myrtti> that's one possibility, yes
[08:31] <aboyousif> is there a package of zend optimizer in php ?
[08:37] <Catoptromancy> welll... I managed to kill my desktop
[08:38] <Catoptromancy> terminal has full access
[08:38] <Catoptromancy> what was the command to start up the desktop?
[08:38] <Catoptromancy> I get gtk errors
[09:06] <lied> hi
[09:07] <lied> i had upgraded to the new release of xubuntu and now xubuntu stops at booting. BusyBoy "sh can't access tty: job control turned off" i only get a minimal shell
[09:09] <grazie> lied: is that a normal boot? Have you tried a Recovery Mode boot?
[09:11] <lied> grazie, it was a normal boot
[09:11] <grazie> lied: worth trying Recovery
[09:11] <lied> but its the same with recover mode except there is more output
[09:11] <grazie> k
[09:12] <lied> ant with recovermode it hangs by "floppy0: no floppy controllers found"
[09:12] <lied> s/ant/and/
[09:12] <grazie> have turned off the splash screen and quiet mode?
[09:12] <lied> grazie, recover mode comes without splash...
[09:13] <lied> i had changed nothing with splash manually
[09:13] <grazie> yeah but for normal boot
[09:13] <lied> grazie, no i boot normally with splash
[09:14] <grazie> you can edit the grub menu manually on booting using e I think
[09:14] <lied> I know boot with gentoo live cd and fix the menu.lst cause it sucks that i alway have to s/root(0,0)/root(0,1)
[09:14] <lied> grazie, yeah 'e' is right but on the next boot it is the old conf
[09:15] <grazie> yeah but the clue to your problem(s) will be in the boot messages I think
[09:15] <lied> I'm very dissapointed with this upgrade. it destroyed my MBR, and my grub conf
[09:16] <lied> grazie, oh ok, gentoo needs a little bit than i can edit the menu.lst ...
[09:16] <lied> perhaps it is that xubuntu thinks its on hda1 but it is really on hda2 ...
[09:18] <grazie> do you know where xubuntu is installed?
[09:19] <lied> grazie, on hda2
[09:19] <grazie> then check menu.list
[09:24] <lied> done;
[09:25] <lied> hd(0,0) was wrong and in fstab i hardcoded /dev/hda as /
[09:25] <lied> ehm hda2 of course
[09:25] <grazie> what do you have on hda1?
[09:26] <lied> win2k
[09:26] <grazie> ??!!
[09:26] <lied> why not?
[09:26] <lied> windows 2000 is the best windows ever :)
[09:26] <lied> ah now it works
[09:27] <grazie> no....the installer should never get confused about thinking win2k is linux
[09:27] <lied> haha, I always have this with xubuntu/ubuntu/wte
[09:28] <grazie> should report a bug
[09:29] <lied> hm, it was no installtion in this point. I only wanted to upgrade to the newest release
[09:29] <lied> xubuntu was installed on hda1 half a year ago
[09:37] <lied> grazie, thx for your help. i nearly forgotten that
[09:41] <kmindi> hey, I have a problem: The problem is the same problem that is described here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyKnownIssues/59618). Now I have this problem with the installed version (cause I changed it manually) but if I follow the howto I get until that point where to save the modified conf file but it is read only how can I make it?
[09:43] <kmindi> please help me.
[09:44] <kmindi> while waiting for answers I try to do it with a live cd.
[09:45] <W8TAH> kmindi
[09:45] <W8TAH> whats the issue
[09:47] <hyper_ch> kmindi: you have to edit the file as root:   sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:47] <kmindi> hyper_ch: sure, but it says there is no su/sudo command
[09:48] <kmindi> (under this initframs point described in the howto)
[09:48] <hyper_ch> kmindi: have you tried with sudo anyway?
[09:49] <hyper_ch> do you still have a life cd?
[09:50] <kmindi> i installed the xubuntu
[09:51] <kmindi> and I am not using the live/desktop cd anymore
[09:51] <lied> kmindi, do you boot with xubuntu install cd?
[09:51] <kmindi> no
[09:51] <lied> kmindi, which live cd do you use?
[09:51] <kmindi> ?
[09:52] <kmindi> I'm trying to fix it with dsl live cd.
[09:52] <lied> kmindi, ah ok
[09:52] <lied> have you already mounted your xubuntupartition?
[09:52] <kmindi> but i tried it before with boot parameters in grup (according to the howto)
[09:52] <hyper_ch> kmindi: then mount the partition, alter the xorg.conf and it's ok
[09:52] <kmindi> ok.
[09:52] <kmindi> sry but how can i mount the xubuntu partition
[09:53] <kmindi> sudo mount (and then?)
[09:53] <maddog39> oh thats easy
[09:53] <lied> kmindi, cat /proc/partitions
[09:53] <lied> then you try and error :)
[09:53] <maddog39> mkdir -p /mnt/xubuntu
[09:53] <maddog39> then mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/xubuntu
[09:53] <maddog39> i think thats how it works
[09:53] <kmindi> please more slowly
[09:54] <maddog39> just run those commands in terminal
[09:54] <maddog39> with sudo
[09:54] <kmindi> ok wait.
[09:54] <lied> maddog39, on dsl is no sudo afaik
[09:54] <maddog39> nope
[09:54] <maddog39> in dsl
[09:54] <maddog39> u can emulate sudo
[09:54] <lied> kmindi, try maddog's way if you fail highlight me ;)
[09:54] <maddog39> by using su -c "command_here"
[09:54] <lied> maddog39, for what?
[09:54] <lied> just use ROOT!
[09:55] <maddog39> lied, su -c "command_here" is a way to emulate sudo in DSL
[09:55] <lied> maddog39, yeah but for what?
[09:55] <maddog39> to run commands as root
[09:55] <maddog39> under DamnSmallLinux
[09:55] <maddog39> somebody asked
[09:55] <maddog39> so i answered
[09:55] <lied> maddog39, hm
[09:56] <lied> maddog39, i thought you juste be "root" on a dsl live cd
[09:56] <maddog39> im actually running an alpha build of Haiku atm, im not on linux
[09:56] <maddog39> yes
[09:56] <maddog39> but if you install it
[09:56] <lied> kmindi, what is the output of the command id
[09:56] <maddog39> you are a standard user
[09:56] <lied> sure?
[09:56] <maddog39> yup
[09:56] <maddog39> brb
[09:57] <lied> hm ok, than i'm wrong sry
[09:57] <kmindi> oh man i'm so confuses
[09:57] <kmindi> -s +d
[09:57] <kmindi> whats the default password for dsl?
[10:00] <lied> kmindi, su -c <command> don't work?
[10:00] <lied> su -c passwd root
[10:00] <kmindi> it asks for a password
[10:01] <lied> mom i google for you
[10:01] <kmindi> im doing already but did not find anything until now
[10:01] <lied> sudo passwd
[10:02] <lied> did this ask for a pw?
[10:04] <lied> If you need to run a command as root, you simply type sudo [command] . If you want to stay root for as long as the shell session is open, type sudo su. The root password is unknown to the user, but if you need to login as root, type sudo passwd, supply a new one for root, and then you can use the command su root.
[10:04] <kmindi> i thougt sudo wont work but it seems to work
[10:05] <lied> hihi
[10:05] <fabian> hi :)
[10:05] <lied> hi fabian
[10:08] <kmindi> so im working with the sudo command and that works
[10:08] <kmindi> i mountet the hda1 partition
[10:08] <kmindi> and now im browsing for the file
[10:12] <kmindi> I think I made it.
[10:12] <kmindi> Trying reboot
[10:12] <fabian> kmindi: you're great
[10:13] <kmindi> sure ^^.
[10:13] <kmindi> but only with the help of others. ;)
[10:13] <maddog39> back
[10:13] <kmindi> Oh I thik it works
[10:13] <fabian> gratulations, bye
[10:13] <fabian> kmindi: see you :)
[10:14] <fabian> bye
[10:15] <kmindi|ibm-t20> yes it works as you can see
[10:17] <kmindi|ibm-t20> thanks for your help guys
[10:37] <jjesse> good afternoon, if i need to reconfigure my display, what is the easiest way to do that?  i'm pretty much an newbie to xubuntu
[10:38] <vidd_laptop> question...can you do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to go from edgy to fiesty?
[10:39] <vidd_laptop> ooppss...helps if i spell it right!
[10:39] <TheSheep> jjesse: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:42] <jjesse> thanks TheSheep
[10:43] <kmindi|ibm-t20> well... gn8 boys (and maybe girls (hopefully))
[10:43] <vidd_laptop> !seen maxamillion
[10:53] <superkirbyartist> Hi everyone.
[10:53] <superkirbyartist> I'm looking for an Ogg Theora player that works well on a Pentium MMX laptop.
[10:56] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: try vlc
[10:57] <TheSheep> superkirbyartist: or mplayer
[10:57] <TheSheep> (actually, I think they use the same code for ogg)
[11:03] <vidd_laptop> anyone have drivers for the bcm4306 chipset?
[11:03] <vidd_laptop> the windows drivers that is
[11:05] <Sergo> hello all
[11:05] <Sergo> what graphic interface does xubuntu use, gtk+ ?
[11:05] <cliebow> vidd_laptop, google for it...fwcutter  and bcm43xx
[11:05] <Sergo> X widget toolkit
[11:06] <TheSheep> Sergo: gtk+2
[11:06] <Sergo> thanks
[11:06] <Sergo> =]
[11:06] <vidd_laptop> cliebow, did...and after looking though about 100 of the 1.8 MILLION pages...still no download link
[11:06] <Sergo> but kubuntu
[11:06] <Sergo> also gtk+2 /
[11:06] <TheSheep> Sergo: kubuntu uses kde and qt
[11:07] <TheSheep> Sergo: ubuntu uses gtk+2 and gnome
[11:07] <TheSheep> gnomeui actually extends gtk
[11:08] <vidd_laptop> cliebow, i get lots of info pages and instructions, but NO downloads
[11:09] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: google for the exact file name
[11:09] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: or even use the extension: feature of google
[11:09] <cliebow> sudo apat-cache search  fwcutter
[11:10] <cliebow> whoops
[11:10] <Sergo> what software are desigen for xubuntu
[11:10] <vidd_laptop> the fwcutter hasnt worked since mid december
[11:10] <Sergo> that are gtk+ and gnome?
[11:10] <Sergo> =]
[11:10] <cliebow> yeah hmm. i ama using it inppc
[11:11] <TheSheep> Sergo: I think there was a nice list of good and lightweight gtk applications on the xfce wiki
[11:12] <vidd_laptop> i need the stuff for ndiswrapper
[11:13] <Sergo> ok, thanks
[11:13] <vidd_laptop> i have a 4306 card...and it dont wanna work with the linux drivers
[11:15] <TheSheep> Sergo: found it: http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps
[11:16] <Sergo> thanks!
[11:40] <joselcehn> um...hullo there,can anyone helpmeout with an xubuntu install?
[11:41] <TheSheep> !ask | joselcehn
[11:41] <ubotu> joselcehn: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:42] <joselcehn> right now i'm at the end of this 8-step quick setup once xubuntu has booted and you choose install on the desktop
[11:42] <joselcehn> when it tries toformat the HDD it tellsme : The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of IDE1 master (hda) failed.
[11:43] <joselcehn> btw. thx for your help :)
[11:43] <TheSheep> joselcehn: you already have the partitions created?
[11:43] <TheSheep> joselcehn: I remember there was a bug in the live cd
[11:44] <joselcehn> yep. winxp was on the HDD,trying to get rid of it.:)
[11:44] <Maybelline> huzzah!
[11:44] <TheSheep> joselcehn: Bug #46135
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46135 in ubiquity "Failed to create file system (with 'erase entire disk')" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46135
[11:45] <joselcehn> ok.i'm looking at it right now
[11:45] <TheSheep> joselcehn: try unmounting that partition first
[11:47] <joselcehn> ok.im a terminal,using umount? (i'm still a n00b)
[11:48] <TheSheep> joselcehn: you can just right-click on the disk on your desktop and select 'unmount'
[11:48] <TheSheep> joselcehn: should work
[11:48] <TheSheep> joselcehn: the windows disk
[11:49] <joselcehn> ok....i'm on it
[11:49] <TheSheep> btw, anybody seen the new launchpad in Opera? it's rather embarrasing...
[11:50] <crimsun> they'd probably love to hear about it in #launchpad
[11:51] <TheSheep> crimsun: you think so? :)
[11:52] <vidd_laptop> the next version is gutsy? I hope that isnt the final name
[11:53] <Pumpernickel> It is.
[11:53] <Maybelline> that's what I thought about feisty
[11:53] <TheSheep> might have been worse :)
[11:53] <vidd_laptop> i guess
[11:54] <vidd_laptop> what kind of stuff they got planned?
[11:54] <joselcehn> hello again. unmounting the windoze partition didn't work same error message as before :( it stopped at 5%
[11:55] <Jonex> Can I turn off the screen from the console?
[11:55] <Jonex> Like a screen saver.
[11:55] <joselcehn> it somehow mounted the windoze partition again( iguess it mus a some point to format it)
[11:55] <Jonex> (its a laptop)
[11:55] <Maybelline> Jonex: man xset
[11:56] <TheSheep> Jonex: it has a build-in screensaver -- it will blank after a while of inactivity
[11:56] <joselcehn>  --
[11:56] <Jonex> TheSheep: But not turn off the screen?
[11:58] <Jonex> Oh, found out I could simply close the computer :)
[11:58] <Maybelline> Jonex: "xset dpms force off" does the trick from the console
[11:59] <Jonex> how do i turn it back?
[12:00] <TheSheep> joselcehn: there are also Bug #107259 and Bug #99908
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99908 in ubiquity "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99908
[12:00] <Maybelline> Jonex: hit the space bar -- works for me
[12:01] <Maybelline> ubotu: can he do a killall on thunar, then umount, then install?
[12:01] <TheSheep> joselcehn: the last one has a fix, I think
[12:01] <TheSheep> !bot | Maybelline
[12:01] <ubotu> Maybelline: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:02] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[12:02] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:02] <vidd_laptop> lol
[12:02] <TheSheep> bon APTetite
[12:02] <Maybelline> Do I look dumb, or what?
[12:03] <vidd_laptop> lol
[12:03] <TheSheep> Maybelline: sorry, just thought you're new here
[12:03] <Maybelline> TheSheep: you'd be correct... new to IRC, not to Xubuntu, tho'
[12:04] <Maybelline> I can take the ridicule, though... bring it.
[12:04] <TheSheep> Maybelline: don't be angry, just wanted to explain it somehow, sorry
[12:04] <joselcehn>  TheSheep: the last one?- you mean release?
[12:04] <Maybelline> TheSheep: not angry at all... I've got to learn!
[12:05] <TheSheep> joselcehn: the last bug I psated
[12:05] <TheSheep> joselcehn: the Bug #99908
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99908 in ubiquity "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99908
[12:05] <vidd_laptop> !bug1
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <vidd_laptop> !bug 1
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[12:05] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[12:05] <TheSheep> %)
[12:07] <TheSheep> joselcehn: alternatively, you might try to open a directory, go to the preferences, last tab and disable the 'volume manager' -- I think this is the part that mounts the partition
[12:07] <Maybelline> !bug 107259 has a fix, too
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[12:07] <Maybelline> Boot the desktop CD.
[12:07] <Maybelline>   Go to Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager.
[12:07] <Maybelline>   Select "File Manager".
[12:07] <Maybelline>   Switch to the "Advanced" tab.
[12:07] <Maybelline>   Click on the "Configure" link ("Configure the management of removable drives and media ...").
[12:07] <Maybelline>   Uncheck "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged" and "Mount removable media when inserted".
[12:07] <Maybelline>   Close all the windows just opened, and start the installer.
[12:10] <joselcehn> Maybelline: ok. i 'm trying, thy a lot
[12:12] <joselcehn> Maybelline: Grrbll, installer hangs, is there a place i can kill it?
[12:13] <Maybelline> joselcehn: Don't know how safe it is, but you can killall ubiquity, I would think.  Are you sure it's hung, though?
[12:14] <joselcehn> maybelline: yep. i tried to quit it 10 min. ago, and it asks me if i'm really sure about it. but none of th ebuttons respond...so i'll just kill it and restart .
[12:18] <joselcehn> maybelline: ok. i killed it :) should i still unmount the winxp partition?
[12:20] <Maybelline> joselcehn: yeah, go through the steps I outlined above, and make sure your HDD isn't mounted (cat /etc/mtab)
[12:24] <Maybelline> joselcehn: working?
[12:24] <joselcehn> HDD is scratching it seems to work! yay! thanks everyone!
[12:25] <Maybelline> joselcehn: you bet


[19:12] <Sarvatt> urg
[19:12] <Sarvatt> sarvatt@kyoko{/opt/google/earth/free}:ldd googleearth-bin | grep drm
[19:12] <Sarvatt> 	libdrm.so.2 => /usr/lib32/libdrm.so.2 (0xf45c3000)
[19:12] <Sarvatt> ia32-libs..
[19:15] <Sarvatt> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so: undefined symbol: drm_intel_gem_bo_clear_relocs)
[19:17] <Sarvatt> things were just silently broken but it didn't matter because we had the same versions in oneiric and ia32-libs at release
[19:19] <Sarvatt> yep wine's busted too, err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo The Mesa OpenGL driver is using software rendering, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly (using GL renderer "Software Rasterizer", version "2.1 Mesa 7.12-devel").
[19:22] <Sarvatt> sudo mv /etc/ld.so.conf.d/biarch-compat.conf{,.bak} && sudo ldconfig also works
[19:27] <Sarvatt> guess I can just remove libdrm and mesa from ia32-libs to work around it
[19:27] <Sarvatt> (in edgers)
[19:39] <Sarvatt> only 12 hours to apt-get source ia32-libs, woohoo
[21:15]  * Sarvatt prepares the whiskey for when ia32-libs fails to build properly in the PPA after the 580MB upload
[21:16]  * jcristau prepares the champagne for when ia32-libs ceases to exist
[21:16] <Sarvatt> it's already gone in precise :)
[21:17] <jcristau> yay
[21:17] <Sarvatt> still no news on dpkg? most everything is already multiarched in debian because slangasek is awesome
[21:18] <jcristau> grrr dpkg.
[21:24] <Sarvatt> not everything is converted and ia32-libs is uninstallable on precise at the moment but we freeze in like february, hopefully thats plenty of time to get to wheezy before its frozen in june
[21:24] <jcristau> (and, yeah, vorlon is awesome)
[21:47] <Sarvatt> multiarch dpkg is in dpkg git
[21:47] <Sarvatt> master
[21:47] <Sarvatt> \o/
[21:48] <Sarvatt> author	Raphaël Hertzog<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:48] <Sarvatt> Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:44:21 +0000 (12:44 +0100)
[21:48] <Sarvatt> committer	Guillem Jover<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:48] <Sarvatt> Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:50:59 +0000 (19:50 +0200)
[22:00] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/744765/ ppa-purge with multiarch is so screwed
[22:01] <Sarvatt> oh wow, easier than I thought possibly, no :i386 action going on there
[22:35] <Sarvatt> nothing like writing something, finding out its broken a year or two later, then going back to fix it and finding it been majorly refactored and you have to figure out how its working now :)
[22:35] <Sarvatt> oh and yay at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768, fixing it probably wont even help
[22:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 831768 in baltix (and 3 other projects) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled (affects: 139) (dups: 1) (heat: 700)" [Undecided,New]
[22:53] <jcristau> Sarvatt: i think like half of the commits are in dpkg.git
[22:53] <jcristau> guillem is still stalling the rest


[00:19] <redelmann> hi!, still remains this bug http://askubuntu.com/questions/602527/provide-data-doesnt-send-data-when-required-keys-not-satisfied-juju-charm-usin in services framework
[00:19] <redelmann> ??
[11:38] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, ping?
[11:39] <evilnickveitch> mattyw, pong
[11:39] <evilnickveitch> what's up?
[11:39] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, still thinking about the documentation thing.... It occurred to me that unit numbering is going to go through a slight change in juju 1.25
[11:40] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, and I wonder where I should put the docs
[11:40] <evilnickveitch> mattyw, oh goodie
[11:41] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, basically unit numbering will be like machine numbering - it will always go up, and be unique. so if you have mongo/0 and mongo/1 then you destroy a unit and add a new one instead of still having mongo/0 and mongo/1 you'll have mongo/0 and mongo/2
[11:41] <evilnickveitch> mattyw - hmmm, okay. That doesn't sound too complex
[11:42] <evilnickveitch> however, the best thing to do is to create a new page
[11:42] <evilnickveitch> and put all the stuff in that
[11:42] <evilnickveitch> PR it to the docs
[11:42] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, will do
[11:42] <evilnickveitch> and then it will be in the dev docs and we can work out which bits need to go where when it lands
[11:43] <schkovich> when filing bug report at launchpad i got: "sstmp" does not exist in Juju Charms Collection; there is no doubt that charm exits https://code.launchpad.net/charms/trusty/+source/sstmp
[11:44] <schkovich> what shall i do? play that im dummy and say that i don't know package name?
[11:45] <evilnickveitch> mattyw - I forwarded you a mail which may help
[11:46] <schkovich> uf
[11:46] <schkovich>            Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.                             We’ve recorded what happened,           and we’ll fix it as soon as possible.           Apologies for the inconvenience.                             (Error ID:           OOPS-6b0d7c3b791acfb2e06289ac42f97c68)
[11:49] <mattyw> evilnickveitch, much obliged
[11:50] <schkovich> and to be even more convenient ssmtp charm does not exist in github mirror :)
[11:50] <mattyw> schkovich, I'd probably just report a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms
[11:51] <schkovich> mattyw: i already tried that
[11:53] <schkovich> mattyw: if i answer to In what package did you find this bug? ssmtp in response i am getting error that such package does not exists; if i opt to play dummy and say that i don't know i am getting Error ID:           OOPS-6b0d7c3b791acfb2e06289ac42f97c68
[11:56] <mattyw> schkovich, sounds like you're doing everything right. can you pastebin the details you want to enter and I'll see if I can get it in. Otherwise I'll ping a charmer when some are around
[12:00] <schkovich> mattyw: thanks! http://pastebin.com/5XmrqX7N
[12:03] <mattyw> schkovich, https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1457860
[12:03] <mup> Bug #1457860: sstmp charm: Configuration cannot be changed/updated neither on installing nor later on using GUI/CLI. <Juju Charms Collection:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457860>
[12:03] <mattyw> schkovich, if you can post a comment on the bug just so we can remember it's you we need to talk to :)
[12:07] <schkovich> mattyw: done. thanks. coffee break. :)
[12:41] <lufix> I've just tried the demo web UI of Juju, but I can't seem to find Actions in the UI (for example, mysql backup). Are they exposed in the UI?
[13:04] <turicasto> hi guys
[13:06] <turicasto> I'm not able to deploy local bundle on juju... I got this error: "No charm metadata @ %s', 'trusty/e-commerce/metadata.yaml". can someone help me?
[13:08] <turicasto> obviously the metadata is in the e-commerce's directory!
[13:09] <schkovich> turicasto: most likely either you don't have metadata.yaml, it is misconfigured or you submitted the wrong path to the local charmstore
[13:10] <schkovich> turicasto: command should look like juju deploy --repository=opt local:trusty/puppet --to 4 where opt is the root of the local charmstore
[13:11] <turicasto> schkovich, for the bundle too?
[13:12] <schkovich> turicasto: sorry, i don't know, i guess that the command should be similar
[13:13] <turicasto> schkovich, ok thank you!
[13:14] <schkovich> turicasto: no mention. i just didn't evolve to using bundles yet ;)
[13:15] <tvansteenburgh> turicasto: pastebin the cmd and output you're seeing
[13:20] <mattyw> schkovich, make sure you're subscribed to that bug so you get updates about it
[13:21] <schkovich> mattyw: i already did it :)
[13:22] <mattyw> schkovich, awesome, thanks
[13:25] <schkovich> mattyw: thank you Matthew. :) i truly don't get why i was not able to file the bug report. never happened to me in almost 10 years since im on launchpad :(
[13:27] <mattyw> schkovich, np - it's happened to me once or twice before
[13:44] <lazyPower> skay: did you notice the python-django charm is geting some additional love? :)
[13:44] <lazyPower> skay: https://code.launchpad.net/~thumper/charms/trusty/python-django/support-1.7/+merge/259889
[13:45] <skay> lazyPower: I did not! I'm subscribed to teh repo but my emails got lost in all my other launchpad emails
[13:45] <lazyPower> i know those feels skay
[13:45] <skay> lazyPower: I am happy!
[13:45] <lazyPower> Thumper and I had a quick hangout lastnight over the future of python-django
[13:45] <lazyPower> it looks like he's goign to start paving a path forward for co-maintainership
[13:45] <skay> cool
[13:46] <skay> hopefully I will have time freed up so I can start making merge requests with some suggestions
[14:38] <turicasto> guys juju-quickstart is the only way to deploy bundle?
[14:42] <evilnickveitch> turicasto - not the only way, you can use the juju-gui
[14:42] <evilnickveitch> or juju deployer
[14:43] <turicasto> evilnickveitch, there is a way to specify the local repository of my bundle?
[14:43] <evilnickveitch> if you are using the gui, you can just drag and drop it
[14:45] <turicasto> evilnickveitch, via command line?
[14:46] <evilnickveitch> turicasto, if you don't want to use the gui OR quickstart then you will need to use juju-deployer
[14:46] <evilnickveitch> and yes, you can specify a local bundle
[14:47] <turicasto> evilnickveitch, how?
[14:47] <evilnickveitch> http://pythonhosted.org/juju-deployer/config.html
[14:47] <evilnickveitch> ^ docs for deployer - i can't say if they are up to date, we are phasing out the use of deployer
[14:48] <turicasto> evilnickveitch, because I have problem with the deploy of my bundle,
[14:48] <evilnickveitch> 'juju help deployer' would probably give better usage info
[14:49] <turicasto> evilnickveitch, from gui i got this error:  "error occurred while deploying the bundle: ('No charm metadata @ %s', 'trusty/e-commerce/metadata.yaml')"
[14:50] <evilnickveitch> turicasto, is this a charm/bundle you have written yourself
[14:50] <evilnickveitch> ?
[14:50] <turicasto> evilnickveitch, yep
[14:50] <evilnickveitch> do you know if the *charm* itself works?
[14:50] <turicasto> yeah it works
[14:51] <evilnickveitch> how did you make the bundle?
[14:57] <mbruzek> Hey lazyPower http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/charm-bundle-test-lxc/67/console
[14:57] <mbruzek> This flannel-docker test passed on LXC?
[14:57] <lazyPower> wat
[14:57] <lazyPower> welp, nothing to do here
[14:57] <mbruzek> I don't know what is going on
[14:58]  * lazyPower whistles and wanders off
[15:15] <nodtkn> howdy... I am running into issues bootstrapping vivid nodes via maas and manual using juju 1.23.2-trusty-amd64.  Maas without juju is able to install nodes that I can log in to, but after bootstrapping the same node with juju I can  not ping the instance.
[15:17] <nodtkn> If I deploy the node via maas, setup a manual environment specifying the node, and then attempt to bootstrap the node it appears to work, but jrunning uju status on the environment hangs
[15:18] <lazyPower> nodtkn: juju status is reaching out to the unit on port 17070 - a couple things may have happened that would cause status to hang... 1 being that port is blocked, or the jujud service came online and tanked shortly thereafter
[15:18] <nodtkn> Is anyone having good experiences with a stable release of juju and vivid on a node.
[15:19] <lazyPower> nodtkn: admittely we typically stick with LTS releases on juju - but i know there is some work in teh beta repository wrt vivid and the new systemd init components.
[15:19] <lazyPower> i'm not positive those made it into 1.23.3
[15:19] <lazyPower> the fact its having an issue standing up w/ the 'maas provider' on juju, it leads me to beleive thats not the case.
[15:20] <lazyPower> natefinch: i know you had run into some differences w/ juju and vivid - can you confirm that the 1.24 branch has the fixes in place w/ teh systemd init stuff?
[15:20] <mgz> nodtkn: if you can get into one of the borked nodes, look at /var/log/cloud-init-output.log and /var/log/juju/*
[15:20] <mgz> it may be an init system issue that you need a newer juju for the fix
[15:21] <nodtkn> lazyPower: The last time I attempted that it did not end well... Do you have a link for how to do this?
[15:21] <lazyPower> nodtkn: how to upgrade juju to the currently released -devel branch?
[15:21] <mgz> nodtkn: for instance bug 1452511
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1452511: jujud does not restart after upgrade-juju on systemd hosts <regression> <systemd> <vivid> <juju-core:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452511>
[15:22] <mgz> and various other systemd related issues
[15:23] <nodtkn> lazyPower: How to set a password via preseed or how to connect to the node that failed to bootstrap.
[15:23] <nodtkn> mgz: thanks
[15:23] <lazyPower> ah im not that fluent with the specifics of the preseed process, i can however point you to #maas and ping for assistance in doing so
[15:24] <lazyPower> let me see if anyone from teh maas team is around atm to help troubleshoot nodtkn
[15:26] <lazyPower> nodtkn: as soon as i get a response i'll ping again - i have an open request w/ the maas team that we need help.
[15:28] <nodtkn> lazyPower:  thanks.  I have node that I first deployed via maas, then attempted to bootstrap directly.  The cloud-init.log is not very interesting
[15:28] <lazyPower> nodtkn: i'm fairly certain the issues you're running into are due to running on stable, there's a ton of fixes inc. w/ the 1.24 release and beyond that are specific to vivid/systemd bugs
[15:31] <nodtkn> lazyPower: ok... I could have sworn I got further about a month ago on older cloud init images.  I must of not actually been running on vivid.
[15:32] <lazyPower> really sorry you ran into this snag, but the mailing list has been fairly active the last month with discussion on this very subject
[15:35] <blake_r> lazyPower: I am here
[15:36] <lazyPower> nodtkn: can you relay to blake_r the situation when attempting to connect to the maas unit post juju bootstrap? he can lend a hand in getting you into the unit so we can collect the logs
[15:41] <nodtkn> blake: thanks
[15:44] <nodtkn> blake: If I deploy the node via maas I can ping and ssh into the node.  If release and bootstrap the node via juju I can not ping the node or ssh into it.  What can I do via preseeds or modifying the cloud image to set the root password so that I can log into the node and look at the juju logs?
[15:53] <lazyPower> blake_r: ^
[15:57] <nodtkn> blake_r:  I sorry I referred to use as blake please read my comments above
[15:58] <blake_r> sorry
[15:58] <blake_r> taking a look now
[15:59] <blake_r> nodtkn: hm that is wierd, so deploying with maas works fine
[15:59] <blake_r> nodtkn: can you view the console of the machine? does cloudinit show an error when running userdata
[15:59] <blake_r> nodtkn: because the only difference is the userdata from MAAS point of view
[16:00] <blake_r> nodtkn: if you want to set the root passwd you can do that with some preseed modification
[16:01] <nodtkn> blake_r it hangs* during sending of the ssh keys.  If I hit enter the console continues to scroll to a log in prompt. So hangs is not the best description...lingers?
[16:03] <nodtkn> blake_r: run_parts has claimed to finish restaring the juju bridge interface.  and the sending of ssh keys has started.  I hit enter a few times and it will show the login prompt
[16:04] <blake_r> nodtkn: okay so the only real way to get in is using password as it might be a bridge issue
[16:04] <blake_r> nodtkn: give me a moment and I will try to come up with a preseed modification to do what you want
[16:08] <nodtkn> blake_r: thank you
[19:38] <hatch> In the new bundle format are all container technologies treated with the same synax? ie) lxc:new kvm:new
[21:17] <nodtkn> blake_r: ping
[23:21] <thumper> lazyPower: ping
[23:23] <thumper> hmm later for lazyPower than I thought


[13:52] <abogani> jussi01: Ping
[13:52] <abogani> jussi
[14:58] <scott-work> abogani: thanks for you email about getting the -lowlatency kernel wrapped up and sorry i keep having to bug you with problems
[15:00] <abogani> scott-work: You are welcome.
[15:00] <scott-work> abogani: at some point i would be curious to learn about how you generated your two git trees with the kernel
[15:04] <abogani> scott-work: I have just cloned official Natty git tree (applying my changes).
[15:28] <scott-work> abogani:  "applying my changes"...are these the changes that I am making currently?  or did you make additional changes to the official Natty git tree to create your git tree?
[15:32] <abogani> scott-work: The second one. If you are interested about changes: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=abogani/ubuntu-natty-lowlatency.git;a=commitdiff;h=4af5cdfbaf0f4617d2b34bc40a34fca8eb689774
[15:32] <abogani> scott-work: Obviously for the nature of lowlatency kernel changes are limited to packaging (so no linux kernel code)
[15:35] <abogani> These are the differences in configuration between -generic and -lowlatency kernel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=abogani/ubuntu-natty-lowlatency.git;a=blob;f=debian.lowlatency/config/config.flavour.lowlatency;h=208ac36381710432d2bfd39fd55b3f116ac18bea;hb=4af5cdfbaf0f4617d2b34bc40a34fca8eb689774


[10:45] <scootergrisen> During Ubuntu installation i see a "Skip" button that does not seem to be translated. Could someone check if there is a problem? Maybe its this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/da/29/+translate
[10:49] <scootergrisen> Also its seems a string like "This software is subject to license terms included with its documentation. Some is proprietary." is not using the translated string. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/da/210/+translate
[12:35] <gustavwiz> Anyone affected by the "Printer added" notification issue in Ubuntu 17.04/17.10?
[12:37] <gustavwiz> I've reported the issue here, but I don't know which package is should be filed against: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1725955


[00:05] <therethinker> $ubotu
[00:05] <mythbot> Ubotu is my older brother. I know much more about MythTV than he does, but he knows more about Ubuntu.
[00:05] <therethinker> IS DEAD!
[00:05] <therethinker> Mythbot rulz
[00:14] <foxbuntu> $slap ubotu
[00:14] <mythbot> /me slaps ubotu
[00:27] <MythbuntuGuest39> Need help with HDHomerun card
[00:32] <MythbuntuGuest60> HDHomerun will not show up for capture cards config with terminal OK
[01:01] <MythbuntuGuest60> how copy??
[01:08] <gib> I got my Hauppauge 150 Today, and it worked right off the bat; only took a couple of seconds to configure, unlike the ADS PTV-150.  I have one problem, however.  The schedule guide is off by two channels.  The listings are accurate, but pushed up two channels (ie channel 4 is in the 6 slot, 5 in the 7 slot, ect.)  How can I correct this?
[01:08] <gib> PTV-305, I mean.
[01:09] <gib> I'm using schedulesdirect.
[01:56] <therethinker> $mythbot
[01:56] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[01:58] <superm1> therethinker, why does mythbot die a lot?
[01:59] <therethinker> Well... it has...
[01:59] <therethinker> nevermind, I thought you asked "does it die a lot"... missed the why
[02:00] <therethinker> I'm not quite sure... do you mind if I run the unmodified phenny bot in here, that way if I can figure out if its the channel, or my modifications?
[02:01] <therethinker> I won't poke it or anything... I can't say that for tgm...
[02:02] <superm1> therethinker, well
[02:03] <superm1> what if its the channel
[02:03] <superm1> why would it be the channel
[02:03] <therethinker> Maybe it has something to do with Chan serv or something...
[02:03] <therethinker> Its always timeout errors...
[02:05] <superm1> perhaps your intarweb?
[02:06] <therethinker> I wonder if there some way I can test that...
[02:06] <therethinker> Because It's gone out when my nets is fine, and the server is inbetween me and the nets
[02:07] <superm1> can you run him elsewhere?
[02:38]  * therethinker hoped no one noticed...
[02:40] <superm1> therethinker, so can you run him elsewhere?
[02:40] <therethinker> Hmm... I might try tomorrow, I gotta go no
[02:40] <therethinker> *now
[02:40] <superm1> o
[02:40] <superm1> ok
[02:41] <therethinker> its in #mythbot -- I'll see if it dies at the same time
[02:41] <superm1> okay cool
[02:41] <superm1> good idea
[02:41] <therethinker> I bet $20 that it won't die tonight -- because I *want* it to die :P
[02:41] <therethinker> $infect mythbot
[02:41] <mythbot> /me takes control of mythbot's computer, formats the hard drive, and installs Windows ME on it.
[02:42] <therethinker> now it will die, in 20 minutes :P
[02:45] <scarter> $help
[02:45] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot! You can pick my brain by using $. (See also: $source, $cmdhelp)
[02:46] <scarter> $ati hdtv wonder
[02:46] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "ati hdtv", sorry.
[02:46] <scarter> $cable hrc irc
[02:46] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "cable hrc", sorry.
[02:47] <superm1> i dont think he knows multi word statements
[02:47] <superm1> have to check with therethinker on that though
[04:23] <rhpot1991> anyone here?
[04:25] <tritium> hello rhpot1991
[04:26] <rhpot1991> know anything about using the edit feature on a video?
[04:26] <rhpot1991> or where the cut list is stored
[04:26] <tgm4883> i think it's in the database
[04:26] <rhpot1991> I was messing around and made a backup of my file
[04:26] <rhpot1991> but its still skipping it
[04:26] <rhpot1991> so I need to delete the cut list
[04:27] <tgm4883> it's skipping what?
[04:27] <rhpot1991> the end of the show
[04:27] <rhpot1991> I didn't know what I was doing
[04:27] <rhpot1991> and was using a monocrome osd on top of that
[04:27] <rhpot1991> so its nice and messed up :)
[04:28] <tgm4883> well just go end and delete the last cutpoint
[04:28] <rhpot1991> did that, still missing it
[04:29] <rhpot1991> I said to remove the data after it, and apparently it isn't reversed by removing the cut point
[04:29] <tgm4883> thats odd
[04:29] <rhpot1991> let me double check
[04:29] <rhpot1991> cause it doesn't actually rip the comercial out till you transcode right?
[04:30] <tgm4883> right
[04:31] <rhpot1991> actually, its here
[04:31] <rhpot1991> my bad
[04:41] <rhpot1991> man it did a terrible job finding comercials here
[04:41] <rhpot1991> if I pause a job will the next one in the queue start?
[04:53]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[04:53] <rhpot1991> after about 10 minutes of waiting I assumed no
[04:53] <rhpot1991> so I am waiting for it to finish out
[05:04] <tazgodx> how do i tell mythtv to run jobs? for some reason its not running my jobs, and they are just queueing up
[05:04] <rhpot1991> there is an option in the backend config
[05:04] <rhpot1991> to enable a job
[05:04] <rhpot1991> I had the same problem the other day
[05:06] <tazgodx> backend config eh?
[05:06] <tazgodx> know where offhand?
[05:08] <rhpot1991> looking
[05:08] <rhpot1991> general
[05:08] <rhpot1991> then about 7 pages in
[05:08] <rhpot1991> "Allow 'User Job #1' jobs"
[05:08] <tazgodx> found it
[05:08] <rhpot1991> and so on
[05:08] <tazgodx> thanks
[05:08] <tazgodx> :)
[05:09] <tazgodx> now will they jsut start?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> 7 pages in.. heh. :) aint that the truth..
[05:09] <rhpot1991> I think mine did
[05:09] <Dr_willis> 'now where did i see that setting at.....'
[05:09] <rhpot1991> without having to delete and rerun
[05:09] <rhpot1991> by default it will only run one job at once too
[05:10] <rhpot1991> what kind of jobs are you running?
[05:10] <tazgodx> encode to xvid
[05:11] <rhpot1991> are you removing the commercials first?
[05:11] <tazgodx> im flagging them, then having them removed during encode...i believe
[05:12] <tazgodx> or, trying
[05:12] <rhpot1991> I think you need to convert the flags to cut lists first
[05:12] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials
[05:12] <tazgodx> i don't even know if i have nuvexport installed correctly to do this tho
[05:12] <rhpot1991> I have been messing with the script on that page
[05:12] <rhpot1991> my flagging hasn't been all that accurate though
[05:15] <tazgodx> my flagging has been pretty accurate
[05:15] <rhpot1991> mine is for certain shows
[05:16] <rhpot1991> but seemed to screw up everything on nbc tonight
[05:16] <tazgodx> CSI?
[05:16] <tazgodx> law and order?
[05:16] <rhpot1991> don't record either of those
[05:16] <rhpot1991> I have tested a lot with the daily show and colbert report, works well on those
[05:16] <tazgodx> works good on heroes and chuck
[05:16] <tazgodx> my 2 main shows :)
[05:16] <rhpot1991> don't record anything on nbc tonight?
[05:17] <tazgodx> i didn't record anything since heroes
[05:17] <rhpot1991> I enabled strict comm detecting too
[05:17] <tazgodx> that was monday
[05:17] <tazgodx> lol
[05:17] <rhpot1991> cause my wife was yelling about it not always working on her soap opera
[05:17] <rhpot1991> which, as far as I know, it does well now
[05:17] <tazgodx> haha, i banned anyone from touching my box and putting a soap opera on it
[05:18] <rhpot1991> heh, I have 2 backends, one in my "office" and one in the living room
[05:19] <rhpot1991> I set the slave one up to record shows for her
[05:19] <tazgodx> i would still ban soaps
[05:19] <rhpot1991> gave me a good reason to waste money on hardware and mess around
[05:19] <rhpot1991> it only keeps 1, so its not filling my hd's up with junk or anything
[05:19] <rhpot1991> though I do understand
[05:20] <tazgodx> now i need to figure out if i have nuvexport installed...and get that working....on top of everything else
[05:21] <rhpot1991> I used ffmpeg to encode for ipod
[05:22] <rhpot1991> hmmm, this didn't do what it was supposed to at all
[05:22] <tazgodx> only script i could find to encode to xvid was a nuvexport script. but it uses ffmpeg
[05:23] <rhpot1991> guess the remove commercial script erased my cut list
[05:27] <tazgodx> well, im tired of working on computers tonight. ill play more with this tomorrow
[05:30] <rhpot1991> note to self, rm and mv not the same
[05:30] <rhpot1991> almost did something bad
[05:32] <tazgodx> haha
[06:15] <rhpot1991> hmmmm, anyone else have mythfrontend locking up when they edit a recording?
[06:16] <rhpot1991> 2007-10-19 01:15:16.408 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!
[06:16] <rhpot1991> 2007-10-19 01:15:16.408 AddInheritence past      F   NOT in used or in done. ALLDDaDP
[06:16] <rhpot1991> getting a whole lot of that
[06:18] <gib> How do you add a noise filter to TV recordings if your signal is not all that great.  Can you apply it either at recording time or playback time?
[06:20] <gib> The DVD recorder I just replaced used to look better than watching TV live because of some filter they applied.
[06:22] <gib> I must have been more than deinterlacing, because that's not doing the trick.
[07:52] <gib> Looks like quickdnr or denoise3d are what I'm looking for.   I can barely manage quickdnr as a playback filter, and denoise3d is way to much for my cpu to to in realtime.    Can you use a transcoder to an MPEG2 file and not change anything about the format except applying custom filters like denoise3d?
[07:52] <gib> too much
[07:54] <gib> and have the transcoders only work on the files during idle time.
[08:04] <gib> I think I found what I need.  There is quite a bit to learn to use mythtv most effectively.
[11:35] <therethinker> $mythbot
[11:35] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[11:35] <therethinker> of course, he didn't die
[11:35] <therethinker> Now I'm going to :P
[14:42] <sam_> any clues on the mythtv-multi-rec branch?
[14:42] <sam_> status ie
[15:55] <drunken-wallaby> I've got a question. i have two tuner cards built into my mythbuntu box. a pvr150 and an old bttv based card. my problem is, that when i boot the machine, the cards are assigned the video devices randomly. so the pvr is sometimes /dev/video0 and sometimes /dev/video1 (and the other card vica verse). how can i make sure, that the ivtv-based card is always /dev/video?
[15:57] <drunken-wallaby> sorry, the ivtv card should alway be /dev/video0
[16:26] <hugolp> drunken-wallaby:  I have the same problem
[16:26] <hugolp> I know the devs are aware of this problem but dont know if its solved yet
[16:27] <directhex|work> you could always mess with udev
[16:28] <directhex|work> or you could force loading a driver in /etc/modules, which means the other card gets assigned during autodetection, which is a different time to manual module loading
[16:30] <hugolp> directhex|work:  if I force loading a driver in /etc/modules that gets done before or after autodetection? Im guessing before
[17:21] <just1nj> anyone alive
[17:22] <pdragon> barely
[17:22] <just1nj> i hear ya
[17:23] <just1nj> i am having a problem with getting mythfrontend to autostart properly
[17:24] <pdragon> i'm not a dev, but can try my best. brand new install?
[17:24] <just1nj> wondering if it is a bug or something else, i installed ubuntu gusty via the alternate install cd to get my software raid working and have mythbuntu more and less working,
[17:25] <pdragon> does it start and work fine if you manually tell it to start?
[17:25] <just1nj> it just that when mythfrontend in configured to autostart the auto login hangs at the "autostart" part and never finishes the log,
[17:25] <just1nj> ya work fine manually
[17:26] <just1nj> but then its autostarted the box eventually crashes hard when the load gets too high
[17:26] <just1nj> it looks like to many mythfrontend are getting forked
[17:27] <pdragon> hmm... bit beyond me sorry
[17:27] <pdragon> superm1 or tgm4883 may be able to be more help if they come around
[17:27] <just1nj> righto
[17:28] <pdragon> that just paged them, so if they're around and available they should respond
[17:29] <just1nj> k
[18:12] <StrawberryAngel1> how do you switch workspaces in mythbuntu?
[18:13] <Daviey> StrawberryAngel1: I would think, the same way you would in XFCE or Xubuntu
[18:13] <StrawberryAngel1> xfce is new to me
[18:13] <StrawberryAngel1> so how do i?
[18:14] <Daviey> StrawberryAngel1: I don't know - maybe ask in #xubuntu, or I can have a play later
[18:14] <Daviey> Sorry i can't help more
[18:14] <StrawberryAngel1> ok
[18:16] <reclusivemonkey> StrawberryAngel1: ctrl+alt+arrow keys (left and right)
[18:16] <StrawberryAngel1> thank you
[18:20] <superm1> just1nj, still need help?
[18:25] <just1nj> ya
[18:25] <just1nj> autostarting mythfrontend at login is crashing my box
[18:26] <just1nj> if you do not autostart it and run it from the menu it works fine
[18:27] <superm1> just1nj, mythbuntu's xfce session?
[18:27] <superm1> or is this a gnome session?
[18:27] <just1nj> ya
[18:27] <superm1> can you checkout ~/.xsession-errors
[18:27] <superm1> and /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log?
[18:27] <superm1> and see if either tells a tale about this?
[18:28] <superm1> wait the ya, was that meant for ya mythbuntu xfce?
[18:28] <superm1> or gnome
[18:28] <just1nj> correct
[18:28] <superm1> lol
[18:28] <superm1> xfce or gnome, which one
[18:29] <just1nj> xfce
[18:30] <superm1> ah okay.
[18:30] <superm1> well pastebin those two logs
[18:30] <superm1> and we can start there
[18:30] <superm1> so you installed a bit of a non standard way you say?
[18:31] <just1nj> ya i used the gusty alternate install cd to install gusty with software raid and then did the mythbuntu install
[18:32] <superm1> ah i see
[18:33] <just1nj> no lvm/raid support is kinda limiting
[18:33] <just1nj> most things are working fine
[18:33] <superm1> yeah at uds i'm going to talk to ubiquity guys about lvm support
[18:33] <Daviey> just1nj: it's in the works
[18:39] <just1nj> the old router i have running as a client bridge until i get wireless internal working on that box is being flaky again cutting out on it which makes doing things out of the house harder
[18:40] <just1nj> and nothing in the .xsession-errors is older than today
[18:41] <superm1> its made when you log in
[18:41] <superm1> so you have to activate the automatic login/startup
[18:41] <superm1> and then look at it
[18:42] <just1nj> something i dont like doing remotely incase something gets dorks up in reboot
[18:43] <superm1> well you can just issue a /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[18:43] <superm1> remotely via ssh
[19:01] <just1nj> box seems to be responsive again, what is the entry for starting the frontend suppsosed to be in .config/autostart
[19:01] <superm1> a symlink
[19:02] <superm1> to /usr/share/mythtv/applications/mythtv.desktop
[19:03] <just1nj> shouldnt that be /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop
[19:03] <superm1> did i type that wrong?
[19:04] <superm1> oh yeah
[19:04] <superm1> yeah that's right
[19:04] <superm1> my mistake
[19:05] <just1nj> hrm
[19:05] <just1nj> there a error about thunar-volman not being installed that i took care of before restarting gdm
[19:06] <superm1> anything else though?
[19:06] <just1nj> says it cant find /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore
[19:06] <superm1> dont worry about htat
[19:07] <superm1> things about starting myth is what you want to see
[19:07] <just1nj> system load isnt running away
[19:08] <just1nj> and only one instance of mythfrontend.real appears to be running
[19:08] <superm1> so its fine?
[19:08] <just1nj> but i am at work and cant actually see if the frontend is running on the screen
[19:08] <superm1> vnc?
[19:09] <just1nj> not currently configured
[19:10] <just1nj> but from here is looks like it going ok, the system load is fine and the frontend is still running
[19:12] <just1nj> another quick question, how do i get totem from starting when a dvd is inserted
[19:12] <superm1> huh?
[19:12] <superm1> from starting?
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop> just1nj, mythbuntu install?
[19:13] <just1nj> i think totem was configured to run when a dvd was insert before i got mythbuntu installed over the gusty base and not the removable media option seems to be gone in xfce
[19:14] <superm1> there is an option in the xfce settings menu
[19:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[19:15] <just1nj> with it "gone" is there some way to edit/remove a file somewhere else to make totem to stop being run
[19:15] <testergg> Hi, I just put a new capture card in with mythbuntu and saa7134 via dmesg but the picture is fuzzy (coax- channel=3) it's a proteus pro 2309 card=98 autodetected don't know what to check i need ntsc channel 3 for capturing - and I don't get any sound
[19:15] <tgm4883_laptop> try gnome-volume-properties
[19:15] <tgm4883_laptop> testergg, how fuzzy
[19:16] <testergg> tgm4883_laptop: very I have a tv next to it and it's crystal clear, this shows bands (vertical) with show in them very unclear
[19:29] <testergg> what tuner would anyone suggest for ntsc north america with this card?
[19:31] <superm1> what "tuner"?
[19:31] <superm1> what do you mean by that.
[19:38] <testergg> superm1: I read on the wiki that with these types of card you must configure it for a tuner that corresponds to your region and standard, I need ntsc
[19:39] <superm1> oh.  i haven't worked with any saa7134 cards myself.
[19:39] <superm1> sorry
[19:56] <pdragon> superm1: Here's a way to decorate your office  http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/10/livin-in-mario-world.html
[19:56] <superm1> pdragon, i do try embrace the name :)
[19:56] <superm1> i've got a mario doll in my car
[19:56] <superm1> and i had one at my office this summer
[19:59] <testergg> is a little fuzzy what I should expect or should it be crystal clear?
[20:00] <superm1> it is usually a little fuzzy
[20:00] <superm1> especially when comparing a computer monitor to a tv
[20:01] <superm1> if you hook up the computer to the tv, it will typically look better
[20:03] <testergg> ok so maybe I can't improve on what I get, I thought that with mythtv I could get a clear picutre, would this be better with a pvr-150 card?
[20:03] <superm1> the pvr-150 is higher quality yes
[20:03] <superm1> since its hardware encoding
[20:24] <therethinker> $mythbot
[20:27] <superm1> therethinker, so it died
[20:28] <superm1> did you figure out if it died in #mythbot too
[20:28] <therethinker> No, I wasn't there -- I was installing gutsy
[20:28] <therethinker> and it stayed alive overnight... when I wanted to to crash
[20:31] <reclusivemonke1> is anyone else having trouble getting listings from XMLTV in the UK? I don't seem to be able to get a response from the radio times website
[20:32] <Varka> hi
[20:33] <Varka> i cant get my hauppauge wintv dvb-s to scan for channels
[20:49] <tgm4883_laptop> $add spec
[20:49] <mythbot> Please write up a new specification for that here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/  We appreciate the ideas.   what?
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> 99 times out of 100 it wont get doe
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> done
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> so you need a blueprint
[20:50] <therethinker> why not say 99% chance?
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> I did
[20:51] <tgm4883_laptop> $add spec
[20:51] <mythbot> Please write up a new specification for that here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/  We appreciate the ideas.  Without a blueprint, there is a 99% chance that it won't get done.
[20:51] <tgm4883_laptop> see
[20:51] <tgm4883_laptop> you're just crazy
[20:56] <tgm4883_laptop> $blueprints
[20:56] <mythbot> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[20:58] <DaveMorris> solarbaby: you been able to do that xboxfrontend stuff ?
[21:03] <DaveMorris> $bugs
[21:03] <mythbot> http://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[21:05] <DaveMorris> $forums
[21:05] <mythbot> This is the Official Mythbuntu Forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[21:05] <therethinker>  restarting server
[21:08] <DaveMorris> $wiki
[21:08] <mythbot> http://wiki.mythbuntu.org
[21:08] <hugol1> One of my front-end crashed the other day and since then mythtv is not working perfectly. Sometimes it takes like 8-9 seconds to start live-tv and other anoying effects
[21:09] <hugol1> is somewhere in the database or other place where I can check for any corrupted configuration?¿
[21:09] <therethinker> $wiki
[21:09] <mythbot> Mythbuntu -- http://wiki.mythbuntu.org ; MythTV -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[21:09] <therethinker> okay, that works
[21:09] <DaveMorris> seems good
[21:09] <DaveMorris> 8-9 secs is how long mine takes
[21:10] <DaveMorris> as it takes the tv stream, saves it to disk, then passes the data of the disk to the frontend
[21:10] <DaveMorris> might still be a problem though
[21:11] <pdragon> mine only takes like 3, 4 seconds tops
[21:11]  * DaveMorris has a p450 for a backend though
[21:11] <pdragon> ahh
[21:11] <hugol1> DaveMorris:  it was doing it in 1-3 seconds before
[21:11] <pdragon> 2.8 celeron
[21:11] <tgm4883_laptop> I doubt it's happening in 1 second
[21:11] <pdragon> has to cache 2-3 seconds of tv beforehand at the least
[21:12] <tgm4883_laptop> MythTV devs say it writes 4 seconds to disk first
[21:12] <hugol1> tgm4883_laptop:  I can tell you it didnt take 4 seconds to watch live tv
[21:12] <hugol1> plus I can change channels in less than that time
[21:21] <hugol1> now when I watch live tv theres a gap of 23-25 seconds that I cant watch
[21:21] <hugol1> when I change into  a new channel it tells me taht I have been 23 seconds watching it allredy
[21:21] <hugol1> ....
[21:21] <hugol1> anyone know what setting can be wrong?
[21:24] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds like some database problems
[21:24] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[21:28] <hugol1> tgm4883_laptop:  is anything besides reinstalling that I can do?
[21:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[21:28] <hugol1> this weird things started happening after one of the front ends crashed
[21:29] <tgm4883_laptop> how long have you had it installed?
[21:29] <hugol1> I guess it left something wrong in the database
[21:29] <hugol1> 5 days more o less
[21:29] <hugol1> I reinstalled ubuntu 6 days ago
[21:29] <hugol1> instaleed gutsy
[21:29] <tgm4883_laptop> well you could try repairing the database, or importing a backup of the database
[21:30] <hugol1> tgm4883_laptop:  how do I repair the database?
[21:30] <hugol1> I didnt do any backup of the database and I guess mythtv doesnt do them automatically right?
[21:30] <DaveMorris> isn't there an option for reparing the database
[21:31] <DaveMorris> hugol1: it does, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=581172
[21:31] <reclusivemonke1> is anyone else having trouble getting listings from XMLTV in the UK? I don't seem to be able to get a response from the radio times website
[21:31] <tgm4883_laptop> I had a database issue and ran the optimize tables on it from MCC
[21:32] <DaveMorris> sorry reclusivemonke1I use the EIT here in the UK
[21:32] <hugol1> DaveMorris:  Im cheking that link, but how do I go about repairing the actual database?
[21:34] <reclusivemonke1> $eit
[21:34] <hugol1> DaveMorris:  I didnt install mythbuntu, I installed Ubuntu gutsy desktop and installed the mythtv packets from synaptic. I dont think that way the backups are done right?
[21:34] <DaveMorris> superm1: ^^
[21:34] <superm1> backups are weekly
[21:34] <DaveMorris> reclusivemonke1: it's the free to air transmitted guide, 7 days worth
[21:34] <superm1> and automatic
[21:34] <DaveMorris> sometimes refered as EPG
[21:34] <DaveMorris> superm1: on ubuntu with mythtv as well?
[21:35] <superm1> yeah
[21:35] <reclusivemonke1> ah right. I don't get digital until 2011 where I live now :-S
[21:35] <hugol1> superm1:  where are this backups?
[21:35] <superm1> /var/backups i think
[21:35] <DaveMorris> reclusivemonke1: lives in the middle of nowhere
[21:35] <hugol1> ok Ill check thanks
[21:35] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing you need to log into the database manually and do a drop on the database, then import the sql dmp
[21:36] <hugol1> and how do I run the aplication to repair the databes?
[21:36] <hugol1> DaveMorris:  I am used to work with databases
[21:36] <DaveMorris> [IDEA] m-c-c provides easy restoration my database backups
[21:36] <hugol1> specially mysql
[21:36] <superm1> $spec
[21:36] <DaveMorris> you'll know what to do then :)
[21:36] <tgm4883_laptop> $add spec
[21:36] <hugol1> mcc is mythbuntu control center?
[21:36] <DaveMorris> $blueprints
[21:36] <DaveMorris> $blueprint
[21:36] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[21:37] <DaveMorris> hugol yes
[21:37] <pdragon> i saw that check box in MCC to run daily database maintenance. Is it good to check that anyway even if you're not having problems?
[21:37] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, tell DaveMorris $add spec
[21:37] <DaveMorris> $url
[21:37] <DaveMorris> stupid bot
[21:37] <hugol1> if I install mythbuntu control center will it change any configuration in my ubuntu computer besides any mythtv configuration?
[21:38] <superm1> bootsplash
[21:38] <superm1> that's about all you will see changed though
[21:39] <therethinker> $add spec
[21:39] <DaveMorris> someone already did the spec - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/backup-restore
[21:39] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, does mythbot autojoin?
[21:39] <therethinker> What?
[21:39] <hugolp> ok thanks
[21:39] <tgm4883_laptop> this channel
[21:40] <therethinker> $mythbot
[21:40] <therethinker> No, it connects
[21:40] <therethinker> Ah, its dead!
[21:40] <therethinker> Its about to crash!
[21:40] <tgm4883_laptop> i was just wondering what would happen if we kicked it
[21:40] <therethinker> That means I can get some test data...
[21:40] <hugolp> shit
[21:41] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[21:41] <hugolp> it only keeps one database back-up and it was done today
[21:41] <therethinker> Whoo!
[21:41] <therethinker> It quit at the same time on both!
[21:41] <DaveMorris> hugolp I think we need to file a bug on that 1 then
[21:42] <DaveMorris> $bugs
[21:42] <mythbot> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+packagebugs
[21:42] <hugolp> DaveMorris:  is suposed to behave in a different way?
[21:42] <superm1> hugolp, no it uses rotations
[21:42] <frank_> The mythtv backend setup in gutsy is not doing the mythfilldatabase when I click yes at the prompy
[21:42] <tgm4883_laptop> hugolp, no it should do a few at lease
[21:42] <hugolp> rotations?
[21:42] <frank_> prompt*
[21:42] <DaveMorris> well, personally I'd like to see more than 1 backup
[21:42] <superm1> it will make more than one backup
[21:42] <superm1> i dont know how that's handled
[21:42] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, there is more than one backup
[21:42] <superm1> but it does
[21:42] <tgm4883_laptop> looks like it makes 5 backups
[21:43] <tgm4883_laptop> 1 per week
[21:43] <hugolp> and I didnt think it was important but now that Im here, mythbackend setup sometimes starts at a console sometime it doesnt
[21:43] <tgm4883_laptop> so it could make more, 5 weeks ago sounds like when i installed
[21:44] <frank_> I'm doing the mythfilldatabase manualy but the automated way after you setup the backend doesn't work
[21:47] <frank_> can anyone confirm?
[21:49] <hugolp> it works here
[21:50] <frank_> hugolp: maybe it's because I'm running kubuntu....?
[21:51] <hugolp> not very probable but I guess it could be
[21:52] <frank_> not sure what to do to find the problem.
[22:41]  * DaveMorris risks been killed by upgrading his frontend to gutsy
[22:43] <therethinker> I've been writing programs to write sonnets...
[22:43] <therethinker> its... interesting :P
[22:45] <reclusivemonke1> therethinker: stanzas or it doesn't exist ;-)
[22:45] <therethinker> http://zbanks.mine.nu:8080/test.html#
[22:46] <therethinker> http://pastebin.org/5361 --sample
[22:46] <therethinker> it only knows about 50 words or so :p
[22:47] <reclusivemonke1> lol they all seem a little freudian!
[22:49] <therethinker> reclusivemonke1, hehe, they're not *that* bad, as far as computer-generated talk goes
[22:49] <reclusivemonke1> certainly shows promise
[22:50] <therethinker> Yeah... its based on a recursive sentence generator I wrote... I took out a ton of features that tended to make sentances too long (dep. clauses, compound sent, etc)
[22:50] <therethinker> Sonnets are hard, because they're so long :p
[22:51] <DaveMorris> therethinker: you do this for work?
[22:51] <therethinker> Err... no :P
[22:51] <reclusivemonke1> is there a purpose behind it all? (besides the obvious)
[22:51] <therethinker> No, not really. I'm interested in this stuff...
[22:51] <DaveMorris> there is a natural language group at work who I know a few people of
[22:51] <therethinker> There was a small section in GEB:EGB that inspired me...
[22:52] <therethinker> DaveMorris: I've been talking about it on swhack... I found them from the phenny bot, and this fits in to the topic of their channel...
[22:56] <therethinker> haikus are easier... and make a bit more sense:THE DOG: A dog is a dog./My smelly cow is on a key./A cat is my mouse.


[00:23]  * ianorlin wonders what good things to bring to an installfest when you are volunteering
[01:12] <nhaines> An Ubuntu shirt, that you wear.
[01:49]  * ianorlin doesn't have one but I do have my scale shirt
[01:56] <DonkeyHotei> idk how many scale shirts i have
[01:58] <nhaines> ianorlin: what size shirt do you wear?
[01:58] <ianorlin> adult large
[01:58] <nhaines> You can have an Ubuntu cloud shirt when you get there then.  :)
[02:04] <DonkeyHotei> that's my size too
[03:38] <grantbow> though I haven't ordered from them lately, gotta pitch: http://shop.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <darthrobot> Title: [Canonical Store]
[03:40] <grantbow> tahr shirts aren't very attractive to me
[03:50] <Guest7782> lol the shop is still celebrating 13.10
[04:10] <grantbow> you can buy 20 dvd packs now? wow
[04:13] <nhaines> You *can*, but it would be a gave mistake to.
[05:11] <grantbow> grave?
[05:11]  * grantbow shrugs
[05:55] <nhaines> Yes, one 20-pack is significantly more expensive than two 10-packs.