[04:33] <zul> meh
[06:39] <fabbione> morning
[04:16] <zul> hmmm...kernel-package is broken
[04:18] <chmj> O.o
[04:44] <svenl> fabbione: what is the status of the current breezy kernel with regard to hoary ?
[04:45] <svenl> would using it on a hoary system break horribly ?
[04:49] <fabbione> svenl: not that i know of.. try
[04:57] <svenl> fabbione: i am thinking of building a pegasos version of hoary, which would need the newer kernel so that the gigabit ethernet interface works.
[05:01] <fabbione> svenl: just keep in mind that it is 2.6.12rc4.
[05:04] <svenl> fabbione: so ?
[05:04] <svenl> fabbione: just because it is not a released kernel ?
[05:22] <svenl> ARRGGGHHH
[05:22] <svenl> gedit just died on me, and i dind sae my changes, sucks big time.
[05:44] <svenl> zul: did you fix kernel-package ? Or did you just downgrade ?
[06:17] <fabbione> svenl: well dude.. i was only warning you. do whatever you want :)
[06:17] <svenl> fabbione: :)
[06:18] <svenl> fabbione: i have worse problems, the current ld in breezy doesn't like to build the pegasos firmware.
[06:18] <svenl> i am trying to build a sarge chroot, but seems debootstrap uses something else than apt and thus cannot bypass this stupid firewall i am saddled with here.
[06:19] <fabbione> uh? yes it does use apt
[06:19] <Lathiat> use tsocks and ssh -D <port>
[06:19] <fabbione> just set HTTP_PROXY
[06:20] <svenl> fabbione: for the Release file also, and not wget or somethign ?
[06:20] <fabbione> HTTP_PROXY is respected by wget too
[06:20] <svenl> i have Acquire::Http::proxy set in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:20] <fabbione> that only acts on local machine
[06:22] <svenl> huh ? I could upgrade and stuff with it, and broke my build env.
[06:22] <svenl>  HTTP_PROXY=<IP_ADDRESS>:8080 sudo debootstrap sarge sarge http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian
[06:22] <svenl> I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release
[06:22] <svenl> E: Failed getting release file http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release
[06:22] <svenl> i guess this is not how i am supposed to use it, right ?
[06:22] <fabbione> nah
[06:22] <fabbione> export HTTP_PROXY
[06:22] <fabbione> than sudo
[06:23] <svenl> fabbione: oh, and do you know how comes firefox tells me some horrible thing when trying to edit prefs, about pref.xul being bad ?
[06:23] <fabbione> no
[06:23] <fabbione> i don't use firefox
[06:23] <Lathiat> btw, wget uses http_proxy
[06:23] <fabbione> oh sorry
[06:24] <fabbione> it was all small
[06:24] <Lathiat> in fact, so does apt
[06:24] <fabbione> even for apt
[06:24] <Lathiat> http_proxy="http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/" sudo deboostrap sarge sarge http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian
[06:24] <Lathiat> shoudl work
[06:24] <Lathiat> wfm(tm)
[06:25] <svenl> he, thanks, that worked.
[07:27] <svenl> fabbione: do the powerpc kernels include the atkbd stuff ?
[08:48] <zul> svenl: i got the new version from snapshot.debian.net
[08:48] <svenl> zul: i installed a sarge chroot :)
[08:49] <zul> that works..
[08:51] <svenl> and it built the package :)
[08:51] <svenl> now i need to test it on that prototype board :)
[10:24] <zul> this is a new one
[10:24] <zul> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/chuck/work/ubuntu/<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-2.6.12-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/build/build-686'
[10:24] <zul> The changelog says we are creating 2.6.12, but I thought the version is 2.6.12-1-686
[10:24] <zul> make[1] : *** [stamp-debian]  Error 1
[10:24] <zul> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/chuck/work/ubuntu/<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-2.6.12-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/build/build-686'
[10:24] <zul> make: *** [build]  Error 2
[10:24] <zul> debuild: fatal error at line 765:
[10:24] <zul> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[10:33] <mjg59> zul: I've seen that, but didn't manage to figure out why it happened
[10:43] <zul> how did you get around it?


[00:19] <bryceh> can't wait :-)
[01:11] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[01:11] <BUGabundo> using nvidia with nouveua
[01:11] <BUGabundo> if I rotate my screen 90º, the touchpad doesn't rotate
[01:11] <BUGabundo> is this known, or should I file a bug for it?
[01:12] <bjsnider> nouveau
[01:12] <BUGabundo>  I never write it well
[01:12] <BUGabundo> sorry about that
[01:12] <bjsnider> show some respect for the glorious french language
[01:12] <BUGabundo> next time, choose something *easy* :p
[01:12] <mdeslaur> new? :)
[01:12] <bryceh> BUGabundo, yeah known issue
[01:12] <BUGabundo> thanks bryceh
[01:13] <BUGabundo> any bug I can sub to?
[01:13] <bryceh> BUGabundo, you can rotate it manually using xinput I think
[01:13] <bryceh> in fact I think there's a patch for it
[01:13] <BUGabundo> I made my laptop as a semi tablet, to read feeds :D
[01:14] <BUGabundo> ⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[01:14] <BUGabundo> I guess that's the one I want
[01:14] <bjsnider> mdeslaur, they could have called it "novus" which is latin for "new"
[01:14] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: yeah, but then I would have trouble remembering how to spell it :)
[01:14] <bryceh> I had a hell of a time trying to tell a native french speaker about the driver
[01:15] <bjsnider> a driver name has to have at least 2 syllables
[01:15] <BUGabundo> bryceh: LOLOLOL
[01:15] <bryceh> "Yes, use the nouveau driver."  "Oh, a new driver for nvidia?  What's it called?"
[01:15] <BUGabundo> new new
[01:15] <BUGabundo> what ? new new
[01:15] <bryceh> pretty much
[01:15] <BUGabundo> :DDD
[01:15] <mdeslaur> who's on first
[02:01] <Sarvatt> hmm, wonder why they never took that orientation patch upstream now now that you mention it
[02:05] <Sarvatt> ah waiting for XI2.1 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21129
[02:05] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 21129 in Input/Core "General axis inversion and rotation support" [Normal,Assigned]
[02:05] <Sarvatt> (probably 2.2 now)
[02:08] <jewsucanuse> hey bryceh, i'm getting a weird x error.
[02:08] <jewsucanuse> after a few hours of use, most videos and images have color banding gradients
[02:08] <jewsucanuse> and this perists until an x restart.
[02:09] <Sarvatt> hmm its implemented for absolute devices http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=6cccf0131c8464d8838cae2200730873d7dd9e45
[02:10] <Sarvatt> what driver?
[02:12] <Sarvatt> if its nvidia try changing away from the dynamic dithering mode? (shot in the dark)
[02:14] <jewsucanuse> i9515
[02:14] <jewsucanuse> *i915
[02:15] <jewsucanuse> natty bits btw
[02:16] <bryceh> jewsucanuse, no idea
[02:21] <LLStarks> i wish i could take a pic
[03:07] <bjsnider> libv, someone has created another via graphics driver -- "chrome" by name
[03:08] <bryceh> just what the world needs
[03:09] <bjsnider> at least via users have lots of choice
[03:09] <bjsnider> over 3000 possible drivers and counting
[03:09] <bjsnider> and none of them work!
[03:24] <Dr_Jakob> bjsnider: linky?
[03:26] <bjsnider> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODkzMQ
[11:06] <libv> bjsnider: one of the openchrome... let's say... people, did that
[11:07] <libv> bjsnider: commits are made to git by "root"
[11:08] <libv> of someone who has been, let's call it, "hanging around" graphics for the last 4-5 years, one would expect better, no?
[14:34] <soreau> Does anyone know if gallium will be default for radeon r3-5xx cards for natty?
[17:22] <ripps> I'm gonna try out Xorg-edgers on my rv350, see how gallium is coming along
[18:45] <ripps> hmmmm.... [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] *ERROR* Failed to allocate GEM object (1224704, 2, 4096, -12)
[18:46] <ripps> tried running pcsx to test opengl with a playstation game, now X seems to crash everytime I run a complex opengl program
[18:54] <ripps> cool, with r300g, I can force flash to use gpu acceleration
[19:06] <Sarvatt> we're going to get yelled at for maing this font default http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono.png :)
[19:06] <Sarvatt> soreau: it already is, yeah
[19:08] <bjsnider> i think that font looks cool
[19:09] <ion> I’ll have to see it without the blurry font rendering to compare with the current DejaVu/Vera one.
[19:11] <vish> Sarvatt: reboot after updates! ;)
[19:14] <Sarvatt> ion: without the blurry font rendering? it looks screwed up at anything but subpixel smoothing/slight hinting at the moment
[19:16] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono-subpixel-full.png
[19:16] <ripps> awesome, 3d css transforms work in chromium now. and they look awesome
[19:16] <ion> If a horizontal or vertical line has subpixels that are anywhere between the background color and the text color, the rendering is using lower frequency content than would be possible, i.e. blur. That might look aesthetically nice, but nobody can claim it’s not less readable. We’ve drawn our characters with sharp lines through the human history for a reason.
[19:17] <ion> Even the -full one is blurry: alas, you need to do sudo perl -i -pwe 's/\000\Klcddefault\000/lcdlegacy\000\000/g' /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libxsettings.so to get sharp fonts in Ubuntu Gnome.
[19:18] <ion> The powers that be haven’t provided us with a better way to do it, and i haven’t got around to creating a good patch. :-)
[19:19] <bjsnider> i don't see the blur in that screenshot
[19:20] <ion> It would be obvious if you’d see the really sharp text next to it. You could fire up xmag and look at any horizontal or vertical line to see the between-0%-and-100% subpixels.
[19:20] <bjsnider> xmag?
[19:21] <ion> Alt-F2, xmag, Enter
[19:22]  * bjsnider nods
[19:22] <ion> The solution to get aesthetically good-looking fonts is getting displays with considerably better resolutions, not using blurry rendering to approximate it with the cost of readability.
[19:22] <bjsnider> my monitor only does 96 dpi
[19:23] <ion> ditto
[19:23] <ion> Still waiting for the 300 DPI displays. :-P
[19:24] <ion> …affordable ones, that is.
[19:27] <bjsnider> why stop at 300?
[19:27] <bjsnider> we can't even really get much past 96 at this point though
[19:28] <ion> I didn’t mean the progress should stop at 300. :-)
[19:30] <ilmari> my home laptop is 140dpi, my work one is 147
[19:30]  * mdeslaur will run his 300 DPI display at 96 DPI to get massive resolution :P
[19:30] <ilmari> 1440x900 on 12.1" and 1920x1200 on 15.4", respectively
[19:31] <bjsnider> at 300 dpi the windows icons would be so small that they'd be invisible
[19:31] <ion> mdeslaur: That makes no sense. In LCDs, the resolution is a physical property of the display that doesn’t change. :-)
[19:32] <Sarvatt> vish: why'd you make me reboot, gnome classic session breaks in new interesting ways every friday update :)
[19:32] <mdeslaur> ion: right, I meant massive window real estate :P
[19:32] <vish> oops!
[19:33] <ion> bjsnider: Toolkits should scale images (picking the closest appropriate bitmap version available for small sizes) based e.g. font size.
[19:34] <ion> mdeslaur: You mean you want small fonts? Then the setting you’re after is the font size. :-)
[19:34] <bjsnider> ion, windows doesn't
[19:34] <ilmari> bjsnider: and?
[19:35] <ion> bjsnider: Yes, i said “decent”. ;-) Anyway, as high-resolution displays become available, i’m sure Bill will have to follow.
[19:35] <bjsnider> actually maybe windows 7 does, i dealt with a guy who had a laptop with a large resolution and small display and his icons were tiny
[19:35] <bjsnider> but he was using vista
[19:35] <mdeslaur> ion: okok, you win :P
[19:35] <Sarvatt> ion: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono-full-lcddefault.png
[19:35] <ilmari> icons should be vector graphics anyway
[19:35] <Sarvatt> whoops lcdlegacy I meant
[19:36] <ion> sarvatt: Not bad. I can see further hinting is needed, but i could get used to that.
[19:36] <ion> Thanks for the screenshot. :-)
[19:37] <ion> By switching between http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono-full-lcddefault.png and http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono-subpixel-full.png one can clearly see the difference in blurriness.
[19:37] <ion> Not to mention between http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono.png and http://sarvatt.com/downloads/mono-full-lcddefault.png
[19:38] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, does the led on your wifi chip work?
[19:40] <mdeslaur> ugh, I hate full hinting
[19:45] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: atk9k is all kinds of screwed up in the latest kernels but yeah the led works fine
[20:08] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: knew it was too good to be true that we could keep the same basic packaging between 3 releases for nvidia/fglrx :)
[20:08] <Sarvatt> (see end of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2010-December/date.html )
[20:09] <bjsnider> well, dumping the modalias package is fine by me
[20:10] <bjsnider> i wonder if it's possible to move all of nvidia-common into jockey and then just have jockey and the drivers
[20:11] <bjsnider> of course that's not the way debian does things, they have to have separate packages for every little thing
[20:15] <Sarvatt> hmm guess we could build lib32vdpau in the PPA so people can get flash acceleration on amd64, I'm totally stumped on what to do with it in the archive though
[21:56] <soreau> Sarvatt: Awesome, thanks.


[07:51] <savvas> kwwii: sorry to bother you, but could you check if bug 349572 is a gnome-icon-theme problem?
[13:15] <thorwil> digest mode should be disabled
[13:36] <kwwii> hrm, where would be the best place to discuss suggested improvements for panel themeing?
[13:38] <thorwil> kwwii: in what scope? currently the gnome people don't even know what to do with applets in that gnome shell thing
[13:39] <thorwil> and a first attempt at making the gnome shell themeable is some ruby to change things in the code(!?)
[13:39] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, that was kinda what I was thinking too
[13:40] <kwwii> thorwil: guess I want to make the existing gnome panel look halfway decent for karmic
[13:41] <thorwil> kwwii: document the problem, define what we want as solution, see if it can be developed in-house as patch?
[13:41] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, already started that...just trying to figure out what to do with it when I am done :p
[13:42] <andreasn> kwwii, #gnome-art proably? benzea or thos should know
[13:42] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, good point
[13:43] <kwwii> andreasn: although I am guessing that most of what I want is more of a distro problem
[13:43] <kwwii> like setting the gconf key to stretch the panel bg by default
[13:43] <thorwil> kwwii: only tell us ubuntu people about it, wait until other will complain and bitch about going-alone and not contributing and all that ...  making it widel known that way ;)
[13:43] <kwwii> we have a policy of not touching gconf keys when updating
[13:44] <andreasn> maybe you should talk to vuntz in that case
[13:45] <andreasn> what kind of stuff did you have in mind? like just a gradient or more advanced stuff like a pattern?
[13:46] <andreasn> vuntz should be around in #gnome-hackers
[13:46] <andreasn> on gimpnet
[13:46] <andreasn> and he's in there talking about the panel _right now_
[13:49] <kwwii> andreasn: thinking about how to allow a theme to set a gconf key :)
[13:55] <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Artwork
[13:55] <andreasn> "Get better panel theming. For example the panel could let the engine render on top of the background image. So it would be possible to make the panel transparent from the theme."
[13:55] <andreasn> can't remember if it was benzea or Cimi that wanted to work on it though
[13:56] <kwwii> hehe, that all sounds very good
[13:58]  * thorwil would like to see combined vertical and horizontal multi-stop gradients and a transparency map
[14:03] <kwwii> thorwil: well, the stuff i want to do with a pixmap does both of those - the cheap way :)
[14:37] <savvas> can someone check bug 349572 please? Should those icons be in gnome-icon-theme ?
[14:40] <kwwii> savvas: yeah, just commented on it...not much we can do now for jaunty
[14:41] <savvas> thanks :)
[14:41] <andreasn> savvas, packagekit specific icons should be installed by packagekit
[14:42] <savvas> andreasn: that's the direct answer I was looking for :) so gnome-icon-theme is invalid?
[14:43] <andreasn> I don't recall that any icons were removed from gnome-icon-theme recently
[14:44] <savvas> ok, I'll have to forward it upstream :) thank you both!
[14:44] <andreasn> np, hope it works out
[15:09] <savvas> oh crap, I thought packagekit-gnome -> gnome was upstream whereas it is freedesktop, heh :)
[15:18] <kwwii> thorwil: btw, I asked arusha (christina kokott) to have a look at the wiki structure and report any ideas, etc
[15:18] <kwwii> thorwil: it's good because a) she is a new member and has never seen it before) and b) this is what she does for a living :)
[15:43] <thorwil> kwwii: cool :)
[17:41]  * thorwil browses http://www.christina-kokott.de
[17:44]  * thorwil continues with http://kokott.co.uk
[20:26] <dashua> Just ordered a Mini-9 w/ Bluetooth, Webcam, Ubuntu for $199.
[20:26] <dashua> Not bad.
[20:26] <knome> hmm
[20:26] <kwwii> hope you have tiny fingers
[20:27] <kwwii> other than that the machines are awesome
[20:27] <dashua> Ha, yeah.
[20:28] <dashua> I hope Jaunty runs good on it.
[20:28] <dashua> I'm sure it will.
[20:29] <dashua> I need to study for an exam all summer and this will be easier to transport than my Dell XPS m1530.
[20:29] <dashua> Much more expendable too.
[20:31] <thorwil> use one of these if fingers not tiny enough: http://www.print-speed.de/images/product_images/popup_images/2083_0.jpg :>
[20:31] <dashua> I was looking at the 10 but RAM is locked at 1 Gig.  Not so good.
[20:32] <SiDi> dashua: im jealous
[20:32] <dashua> thorwil: Is that a pencil sharpener?
[20:33] <dashua> SiDi: I wanted to score one before when they $199, but no bluetooth or webcam.
[20:33] <thorwil> dashua: that, too
[20:33] <dashua> Now, it's a good deal.
[20:33] <kwwii> dashua: we've been doing all our testing on mini-9's
[20:33] <dashua> kwwii: Sweet.
[20:34] <dashua> Compiz run good, do you know?
[20:34] <dashua> I have a feeling I'll have to mess with UXA.
[20:34] <SiDi> dashua: they're more expensive here. and dell france charges for ubuntu. i tried to get a vostro with no os or ubuntu, it was 750 € for the crappy hardware, while for 710 i had almost the best hardware with vista
[20:34] <kwwii> dashua: yes, it runs great
[20:35] <dashua> kwwii: Man, I am getting excited :D
[20:35] <dashua> SiDi: This is a Vosto
[20:36] <dashua> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bqcw9nz&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=productdetails~laptop-vostro-a90&dgc=BF&cid=7421&lid=197378
[20:36] <SiDi> dashua: i meant a 1510:p
[20:36] <dashua> Man, Jaunty is going to boot like the wind with an SSD.
[20:36] <dashua> SiDi: Ah
[20:38] <dashua> Yeah, the Ubuntu spec'd Dells are as impressive as their Windows counterparts
[20:38] <dashua> I bought this Dell w/ Vista which lasted about 20 minutes.
[20:38] <dashua> But there was no XPS m1530 when I bought, just the 1330
[20:39] <dashua> *are not
[20:40] <SiDi> the fact is that here its not legal to sell it with an os and not to offer the same one without os :P
[20:41] <dashua> Damn
[20:41] <dashua> Yeah, there was a box for exporting outside the U.S.
[20:45] <SiDi> dashua: i cant believe the PCs are the same and the ubuntu one is $100 cheaper
[20:45] <SiDi> i do wish they were offering so decent offers here in france :|
[20:47] <dashua> Maybe they changed. Before their prices were really that good.
[20:47] <dashua> weren't*
[21:16] <SiDi> kwwii: are you around ?
[23:15] <kwwii> SiDi: wassup?
[23:16] <SiDi> I wanted to know where i could grab the sources of jaunty's gdm
[23:16] <SiDi> apart from a jaunty installed partition since i'm having trouble with mine :p
[23:16] <SiDi> i'd like to check how you did to edit the gdm menus in your theme
[23:23] <kwwii> check the source in launchpad
[23:24] <SiDi> thanks
[23:26] <kwwii> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gdm-themes for instance
[23:26] <SiDi> thanks, found it already
[23:26] <SiDi> i sometimes dont think about the obvious solutions :D
[23:27] <kwwii> sometimes I want to suggest lmgtfy.com to people :p
[23:31] <kwwii> time for sleep..night all
[23:34] <SiDi> night kwwii


[00:01] <solarcloud> maybe its the wrong driver .. i'm on the 'tested' one.
[00:01] <daftykins> ah nah
[00:01] <daftykins> they should all work
[00:01] <solarcloud> ok
[00:02] <daftykins> except in very rare cases where a graphics card is really new
[00:02] <daftykins> and so sometimes the Linux drivers don't work 100% yet
[00:02] <daftykins> solarcloud: did you ask in the main #ubuntu channel too?
[00:03] <solarcloud> its not new at all .. infact the previous owner used it on Linux too .. but I've only had 3 screens on Windows so far ... :(
[00:03] <daftykins> ah
[00:03] <daftykins> how are you connected all three, by the way?
[00:03] <solarcloud> #ubuntu channel .. i could do on Monday.
[00:03] <daftykins> *connecting
[00:03] <solarcloud> displayport.
[00:03] <daftykins> ah
[00:03] <daftykins> i wonder if Linux is having a fit with that
[00:04] <daftykins> yeah give them a shout, those guys have typically seen it all
[00:04] <daftykins> there are some great guys in here too, of course, but they're probably in bed for work :D
[00:04] <solarcloud> fould be .. but i see there is no other connectors involved.
[00:04] <solarcloud> ok i'll try on Monday ..
[00:04] <solarcloud> **could
[00:04] <daftykins> well displayport is pretty rare to be used you see, so it might not be 100% in the nvidia driver
[00:05] <daftykins> or there might just be a 'trick' to getting it working
[00:05] <solarcloud> ... well I suppose Pricess Leia has friends :)
[00:05] <solarcloud> **princess
[00:05] <daftykins> she sure does \o/
[00:05] <daftykins> er i mean he, me, :D
[00:07] <solarcloud> ok .. enough sillyness for one day .. thanks for trying all the same .. :)
[00:08] <daftykins> np :)
[00:08] <daftykins> gl with it o/
[00:08] <solarcloud> straight to bedsie's & don't past Go for me . Bye bye.
[00:17] <solarcloud> & no Preincess Leia you can't have the big pillow again !!
[00:18] <daftykins> D:
[04:24] <solarcloud> Anyone still up here ?
[04:26] <shauno> at 4am?  that's a bit of an ask
[04:28] <soreau> !anyone
[05:58] <solarcloud> !poll
[05:59] <solarcloud> !details
[05:59] <solarcloud> !gq
[07:04] <dw4tkins> IRC is full of curious people.
[07:06] <shauno> you say the nicest things
[07:08] <dw4tkins> I try my best.
[09:05] <hoover_> morning folks
[09:13] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[09:13] <diplo> Morning all
[09:13]  * jussi hides... mornings... overated..
[09:14] <SuperMatt> morning all
[09:17] <diplo> jussi: That's why there was no 'Good' on mine :)
[09:25] <jussi> hehe
[09:49] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1444949/ so what on earth does using -69M of swap mean??
[09:53] <danfish> AlanBell: just think of all that space swap has used in the past! This is it's way of giving something back to you ;)
[10:06] <czajkowski> popey: ever experienced any issues like https://twitter.com/decob/status/280603948325421056
[10:07]  * Laney wibbles
[10:08] <Laney> three more days
[10:08]  * Laney no longer counts down to Christmas day but Christmas holidays beginning instead
[10:09]  * czajkowski is on holidays today : )
[10:09] <directhex> i've got a full week
[10:10] <directhex> and technically this full week is on montreal time
[10:10] <jussi> Laney: shh my countdown is till sunday... when I leave for Australia
[10:11] <popey> czajkowski, the fact that he's saying "gnome menu bar" makes me think they're running something I probably don't use
[10:11] <Laney> jussi: oh I feel so bad for you :P
[10:11] <jussi> lol
[10:12] <czajkowski> popey: aye wasn't so sure and he seems a bit frustrated so was trying to figure out what, hate it when people are upset by an ubuntu  install and are frustrated
[10:12] <czajkowski> I'm sure it's something simple
[10:13] <Laney> can he try a unity session? anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
[10:16] <Laney> czajkowski: you off now until 2013?
[10:17] <czajkowski> Laney: nope back tomrorow till friday
[10:17] <czajkowski> been off since thursday last week
[10:17] <czajkowski> usuing up some annual leave
[10:17] <czajkowski> heading to ireland later on
[10:18] <Laney> you jetsetter you
[10:20] <czajkowski> and NO DELAYS :-)
[10:20] <czajkowski> w00t
[10:22] <Laney> (H)
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:48] <daubers> Morning
[10:55] <Laney> I'm scared that I accidently washed my nice wool Christmas jumper in a normal wash
[10:56] <Laney> girlfriend will kill me slowly and painfully if i ruin it
[10:56] <popey> i ruined a mat by washing it the other day :S
[10:57] <czajkowski> Laney: cant find it ?
[10:57] <Laney> correct
[10:57] <Laney> I wore it on Saturday ...
[10:58] <Laney> it would be slightly more preferable to have left it in the pub
[10:58] <czajkowski> Laney: rang them to see ?
[10:58] <Laney> I'm waiting for the outcome of the wash
[10:58] <czajkowski> hate it when you lose something you really like or a gift from someone :/
[10:59] <Laney> I'm pretty sure the pub would have known that it was mine though if I left it there
[10:59] <Laney> and rosie works at said pub and was on shift yesterday, so ...
[10:59] <czajkowski> Laney: you're in trouble
[10:59] <Laney> surely I would have seen it when loading the machine?!?!?!?!
[11:00] <Laney> but I do have a bad habit of taking my t-shirt and jumper off together, so it could have been inside out inside a t-shirt
[11:00]  * Laney hides
[11:00] <czajkowski> bold Laney
[11:00]  * Laney loads the washing machine like a man
[11:00] <czajkowski> aka fires it all in
[11:00] <Laney> SHOVE SHOVE SHOVE that's about full enough
[11:00] <czajkowski> and never looks back
[11:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:02] <Laney> I just committed a PPA sin of deleting a package and then uploading it with a lower version
[11:02] <czajkowski> ello
[11:02] <Laney> surprised it worked
[11:02] <czajkowski> Laney: you're not well today are you
[11:02] <Laney> sometimes it's more effort to go back and do something over again :P
[11:03] <czajkowski> Laney: I'll remind you this the next time shall  I :)
[11:03] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:03]  * Laney screams DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO
[11:08] <bigcalm> czajkowski: are you or Jon veggies?
[11:08] <czajkowski> NARP!
[11:08] <czajkowski> lordie!
[11:08] <bigcalm> \o/
[11:08] <czajkowski> we likes our meat!
[11:08] <bigcalm> And we like hog roasts ;)
[11:09] <mungojerry> what are john lewis sales like?
[11:09] <mungojerry> i.e. is there a chance the tumble drier i want will be reduced?
[11:09] <czajkowski> mungojerry: went in there last year people tripping over themselves to get stuff
[11:10] <mungojerry> czajkowski, will do the shop online, but unsure if regular stuff is reduced or just crap stuff
[11:11] <dwatkins> I bought a matress from JL online, was much cheaper - they do 'website specials' sometimes
[11:11] <mungojerry> so close to christmas i should probably wait to see if there's a reduction
[11:12] <czajkowski> mungojerry: we got one last week
[11:12] <czajkowski> just cant see much coming off them tbh
[11:12] <czajkowski> never gonna be half price
[11:12] <mungojerry> which one did you get?
[11:13] <czajkowski> hmm it;s a condensor
[11:13] <czajkowski> and has sensors
[11:13] <czajkowski> not sure of make/model as not near it tbh
[11:13] <czajkowski> think it' a energry rating B
[11:16] <mungojerry> ah, i'm doing a vented one
[11:16] <czajkowski> mungojerry: decided against the combo :)
[11:17] <mungojerry> yes
[11:20] <popey> i had to replace the elephant in our tumble dryer
[11:20] <popey> or something
[11:22]  * Laney hears the Final Spin
[11:22]  * Laney Fears
[11:22] <shauno> I want one I can turn on via zigbee, or wifi, or something.  they keep pretending to make these things clever, but never quite getting there
[11:22] <popey> surely you need to go to the machine to put stuff in it
[11:23] <shauno> sure, but I don't want to turn it on until I go to work.  because it's bloody noisy and I can't hear the TV
[11:23] <czajkowski> put it on when you go to bed?
[11:23] <mungojerry> noisy = can't sleep
[11:24] <Laney> turn it on when you leave ...
[11:24] <popey> http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/17/3775750/lixil-satis-japanese-smartphone-controlled-toilet
[11:25] <popey> almost there
[11:25] <shauno> it's a start.  but I'm thinking more cronjobs than my phone
[11:25] <popey> http://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/home-automation/cat4320011
[11:28] <shauno> or a more realistic scenario, it could ping me when it's done
[11:28] <mungojerry> does anyone know about central heating systems?my bath/shower water is fed off combi boiler but it seems to be not very warm atm, although downstairs tap is hot. seems to be heating the bathroom radiator when i use the bath tap.  how does that even happen?
[11:31] <diplo> Two seperate feeds mungojerry, one shouldn't effect the other
[11:31] <diplo> the radiators will be on a closed loop
[11:31] <diplo> Only thing I could guess is pressure of the water getting up there ?
[11:45] <ali1234> mungojerry: my parents always refered to that as "backflow" but that's a misnomer
[11:45] <mungojerry> gonna try increasing my pressure
[11:46] <mungojerry> only recently noticed it, but could have been an issue during summer
[11:46] <ali1234> the radiator water and hot tap are not connected (that would be gross) but the hot water tank is surrounded by the radiator flow pipes, to recapture any waste heat
[11:46] <ali1234> since the bathroom radiate is typically the closest that one heats up from that
[11:46] <mungojerry> i suspect the gasman did something wrong in january
[11:46] <mungojerry> when i had a pressure problem
[11:47] <danfish> mungojerry: have you bled all the radiators recently - it shouldn't matter, but sorted out our boiler's hot water supply
[11:47] <mungojerry> but not noticed that the bath /shower is too cold until the outside temp is cold
[11:47] <mungojerry> danfish, no but will do that too
[11:47] <mungojerry> main issue is the shower/bath suddenly not hot enough
[11:48] <mungojerry> but bathroom tap seems ok (may be wrong)
[11:48] <mungojerry> kitchen tap definitely hot
[11:48] <danfish> mungojerry: no, sure. Same with us. Decided to bleed the radiators anyway and the water from the tap got hotter!
[11:48] <mungojerry> sounds like witchcraft
[11:49] <danfish> mungojerry: that's what a gas engineer we had round once said his job was!
[11:50] <mungojerry> any opinions on the british gas £15per month type thing rather than indepenedet gas men?
[11:50] <davmor2> mungojerry: do you have a kitchen thermometer? if so run it under the tap, it should be at no less than 50C
[11:50] <mungojerry> what do you get from that type of scheme?
[11:50] <mungojerry> davmor2, under kitchen tap or bathroom
[11:51] <davmor2> mungojerry: all of them bath if you have one is the fastest flowing
[11:51] <mungojerry> bath is <50 for sure
[11:54] <davmor2> then there is a problem. that is very serious, less than 50 and legoinella (possibly spelt wrong) can thrive
[11:54] <mungojerry> :(
[11:54] <mungojerry> will look at it tonight
[12:10] <danfish> mungojerry: the British Gas thing is OK, but expect loads of nuisance calls from them trying to sell you 'upgrades'. If there's a local company with a good rep, I'd go with them.
[12:18] <dwatkins> I have boiler cover with Scottish Hydro (part of the same group as Southern Electric, I think), they never call me to sell me things.
[12:38] <mungojerry> ok cheers chaps
[12:39] <mungojerry> btw wifey is very pleased now that i installed CM7 + S2E on her phone. "infinite" internal storage now
[12:39] <mungojerry> htc desire otherwise is otherwise almost useless due to limited internal storage
[12:39] <brobostigon> anyone watching daily politics, very funny bystander in the background.
[12:52] <directhex> ali1234, were you the one who did uefi tests in qemu?
[12:53] <ali1234> yes
[12:53] <ali1234> though you can't really test much as it can't boot a proper OS with tiano for VMs
[12:53] <ali1234> all you can do is test signing and keys
[12:53] <directhex> ah
[12:53] <directhex> bums
[12:53] <ali1234> it was a while ago, maybe it got better
[12:54] <directhex> what are the cmd line flags to use it?
[12:54] <ali1234> all the instructions on my website: http://al.robotfuzz.com/
[12:54] <ali1234> basically you swap out the qemu bios image for the tiano one you build, and then run it like normal
[12:54] <ali1234> that stuff is all in part one
[12:58] <mungojerry> anyone tried the nvidia beta drivers
[12:58] <ali1234> yes
[12:58] <mungojerry> that apparently make xinerama a lot better
[12:58] <mungojerry> going ok?
[12:58] <ali1234> didn't make much difference for me
[12:58] <mungojerry> oh
[12:58] <mungojerry> i get real problems
[12:58] <mungojerry> thinking of trying them
[12:58] <ali1234> i never had any problms with xinerama
[12:59] <mungojerry> mutlimonitor seems to give a slowness of an old pc even on a fast one
[12:59] <ali1234> nah that's not xinerama, that's just standard for nvidia and compositing WMs
[12:59] <mungojerry> not had it on lxde, but other DEs suck
[12:59] <ali1234> it's exactly the same with one monitor
[13:00] <mungojerry> might try anyway - ppa ?
[13:00] <ali1234> it's packaged assuming you mean 310
[13:00] <ali1234> nvidia-experimental
[13:00] <mungojerry> i rthought there was 313 recently...hold on
[13:01] <mungojerry> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-313.09-driver.html
[13:01] <mungojerry> Improved performance of OpenGL framebuffer object binds with Xinerama enabled by 2000-3000% when the application's windows do not span screen boundaries.
[13:01] <ali1234> well, i've not tried that one
[13:02] <ali1234> i would love it if my desktop went 3000% faster
[13:03] <directhex> stabstabstab
[13:03] <mungojerry> xorg-edgers has it
[13:04] <mungojerry> but i don't wanna upgrade xorg too
[13:05] <mungojerry> meh it's christmas, might as well try
[13:06] <directhex> ali1234, it seems smart enough to boot a real os now... but for the lack of fat32 driver
[13:07] <mungojerry> any real benchmark is shold try before doing this?
[13:17] <ali1234> try running glxgears and the dragging a window
[13:18] <ali1234> it's not a benchmark but if yo are affected by that bug you will know about it
[13:20] <directhex> gcc: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-melf_x86_64’
[13:20] <directhex> sigh
[13:22] <czajkowski> hmm any idea where I'd find bilal on irc
[13:22] <czajkowski> Bilal Akhtar  to be exact
[13:22] <mungojerry> used to hang out in omg?
[13:22] <mungojerry> try g+
[13:22] <czajkowski> there is a channel for omg?
[13:23] <mungojerry> yeah, used to frequent it a couple of years ago
[13:23] <diplo> heh, I thought the same thing czajkowski :)
[13:23] <mungojerry> freenode #omgubuntu i think (don't quote me on that)
[13:23] <mungojerry> SuperMatt lives there
[13:23] <czajkowski> http://blog.itsbilal.com/index.php/2012/12/connect-an-android-4-0-phonetablet-to-ubuntu-the-reliable-way/  am trying to get my phone and machine talking
[13:24] <czajkowski> trying to work out why when I unmount I get - fusermount: entry for /home/czajkowski/MyAndroid not found in /etc/mtab
[13:26] <mungojerry> rebooting my pc with 313 beta drivers...i may not return
[13:32] <ali1234> that reminds me, cyanogen 10.1 nghtlies are started and i need to update
[13:35] <mungojerry> ali1234, my framerate halved with glxgears
[13:35] <mungojerry> since installing 313 beta
[13:36] <ali1234> well not to worry, it's normally like 6000 fps anyway
[13:36] <ali1234> the thing is, what happens when you drag a window?
[13:36] <mungojerry> was 3500, now 3500/2
[13:37] <mungojerry> well it feels like driving the car after a service
[13:37] <mungojerry> you've rebooted for the first time in 99 days
[13:37] <mungojerry> and slapped a new kernel on
[13:37] <mungojerry> and new drivers
[13:37] <mungojerry> any difference? dunno
[13:37] <mungojerry> just gonna check what elementary feels like
[13:38] <mungojerry> wow, like floating on air
[13:39] <ali1234> nvidia is always faster right after a reboot
[13:40] <ali1234> see what it's like after 3 days uptime
[13:40] <mungojerry> you're right
[13:40] <mungojerry> mainly compiz and chrome realted i suspect
[13:48] <mungojerry> how do i remove the right hand launcher from unity?
[13:48] <mungojerry> when using multi mon?
[13:48] <ali1234> whut
[13:48] <ali1234> you got the launcher on the right?
[13:48] <mungojerry> no srry, i mean one launcher present on each monitor
[13:48] <ali1234> oh
[13:48] <ali1234> i can't remember
[13:48] <mungojerry> i just logged into gnome3 and got weird effect that it was zoomed in300%
[13:49] <mungojerry> like the compiz zoom effect
[13:49] <popey> its in the display applet in control centre
[13:49] <popey> "Launcher Placement"
[13:50] <mungojerry> thanks popey
[13:50] <mungojerry> have another weird one.
[13:50] <mungojerry> no minimise button
[13:50] <ali1234> in unity?
[13:50] <mungojerry> yeah
[13:51] <ali1234> dconf-editor
[13:51] <mungojerry> think i have too many DEs on this box intershagging my pc
[13:51] <ali1234> org->gnome->desktop->wm->preferences
[13:52] <ali1234> button:layout = menu:minimize,maximize,close
[13:52] <ali1234> or w/e
[13:52] <ali1234> and yeah gnome-shell uses that key too
[13:53] <mungojerry> i have that set
[13:53] <mungojerry> might have to do unity --rest
[13:53] <mungojerry> reset
[13:53] <popey> thats deprecated
[13:53] <ali1234> you shouldn't. the theme is gtk
[13:53] <ali1234> you might have to change it, and then change it back though
[13:54] <mungojerry> done that
[13:54] <mungojerry> try to log out...
[13:54] <mungojerry> (since i had orange title borders, strangely)
[13:54] <ali1234> i've been looking at light-themes under the microscope last two days
[13:54] <ali1234> trying to figure out why they don't work right in mutter
[13:54] <ali1234> or specifically why radiance + human looks different in metacity vs mutter
[13:55] <ali1234> it turns out the human-theme is full of nonsense and the radiance gtk-3.0 css isn't much better
[13:56] <mungojerry> http://ubuntuone.com/14H5MqPsILbkBpMANUsDlg
[13:58] <mungojerry> after logging out, still shagged
[13:58] <mungojerry> oh weel
[13:59] <popey> wonder if you're missing some bits
[13:59] <popey> tried the usual? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^   ?
[14:00] <ali1234> that's unpossible
[14:00] <ali1234> what happens if you change that dconf key to somethng totally different?
[14:00] <popey> I have seen others report that after installing gnome shell some theme bits went a bit busted
[14:01] <mungojerry> i have gnome shell (shagged), cinnamon (shagged), elementary, lxde, unity
[14:01] <mungojerry> i think was working after gnome shell
[14:01] <ali1234> multiple desktops on one machine never works like advertised :(
[14:01] <ali1234> shell cinnamon and elementary all use mutter for window decorations so they're all the same
[14:02] <ali1234> though gala uses a different dconf path
[14:02] <mungojerry> elementary and cinnamon use forked ones though right?
[14:02] <mungojerry> all themes have the problem
[14:02] <ali1234> well gala uses standard libmutter
[14:03] <ali1234> dunno about cinnamon but i doubt they needed to hack libmutter
[14:03] <mungojerry> unity working fast with the new vidia driver
[14:05] <mungojerry> cinnamon/gnome working ok again now
[14:08] <andylockran> dme
[15:13] <mungojerry> what would be blocking ctrl-alt-left /right from working?
[15:13] <mungojerry> dconf-editor and keyboard-settings are OK
[15:17] <mungojerry> ah, fixed it. was stuck half way between DE upgrade
[15:22] <ali1234> ctrl-alt-left/right don't work in unity any more. the key combo was changed
[15:22] <ali1234> you can set it back though
[15:25] <mungojerry> any ideas how to resurrect a stuck mouse?
[15:25] <mungojerry> super weird
[15:25] <mungojerry> light is on but no one is home
[15:25] <mungojerry> even tried killing DE and restarting
[15:31] <mungojerry> modprobe -r usbhid seemed to do it
[15:35]  * SuperMatt probes mungojerry
[15:35]  * mungojerry shudders
[15:36] <mungojerry> czajkowski was wondering where to find bilal on irc. i suggested omg irc?
 ctrl-alt-left/right don't work in unity any more. the key combo was changed
[16:02] <popey> yes they do
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Work for me
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wheee.
[16:04] <AlanBell> ctrl+alt+up/down work in Unity and Gnome Shell
[16:04] <davmor2> works for me too on 3 different versions of unity
[16:16] <ali1234> popey: the change was reverted?
[16:19] <AlanBell> I never heard about such a change
[16:19] <popey> there was a bit of fiddling with keyboard shortcuts some while back
[16:19] <ali1234> what?
[16:19] <popey> and also there was a change to gnome which broke compiz keyboard shortcuts
[16:19] <popey> only those involving ctrl though
[16:19] <ali1234> AlanBell: you were talking about it on irc with me when it happened
[16:19] <ali1234> it was during the 12.04 dev cycle
[16:20] <ali1234> every keyboard shortcut in compiz that used alt was changed to using super instead when the HUD was introduced
[16:20] <ali1234> everything that previously used super (ie ezoom) was disabled completely
[16:22] <ali1234> the change was completely unnannounced and most people only saw it when the compiz updated that reset all your custom settings to default was released
[16:37] <popey> bug 940085
[16:38] <dogmatic69> hmm, right click => properties on 'NEF' file crashes file manager thing.
[16:38] <dogmatic69> NEF being nikon raw image file
[16:39] <popey> bug 987274
[16:39] <popey> bug 1055820
[16:44] <dogmatic69> popey: ah, its not just my pc being lame.
[16:47] <AlanBell> ali1234: ah, I remember that, was a bit of a mess
[16:48] <dogmatic69> any idea how I can change the NEF open program some other way?
[17:22] <daftykins> dogmatic69: someone in the comments says it mystically works if you 'strace' nautilus in the process 0o
[17:22] <daftykins> heh seems to be every camera raw format going, pesky proprietary formats
[17:22] <Laney> that kind of thing happens with race conditions
[17:23] <daftykins> hmm
[17:23] <daftykins> anyone know the current situation with 3 screens over displayport off an nvidia card on quantal btw? had someone ask last night
[17:23] <daftykins> i figured it'd be just running nvidia-settings with gksudo, then writing a xorg.conf, but i think i'm out of date now?
[17:24] <davmor2> daftykins: very out of date ;)
[17:24] <daftykins> which bit?
[17:24] <daftykins> he'd installed the proprietary driver already, naturally
[17:25] <davmor2> daftykins: just set in nvidia-settings and done, however I have no idea i the binary is working correctly in Quantal it wasn't
[17:25] <daftykins> ah i see
[17:26] <daftykins> i had a sneaking suspicion that daisy-chained displayport screens might be a little rare a use-case to be working 100% right now too
[17:37]  * Laney is testing something on fedora
[17:37]  * Laney has an "oh god what if i break something" new user feeling
[17:37] <daftykins> :D
[17:37] <daftykins> Laney: sounds fun
[17:38] <daftykins> don't scratch the paintwork!
[17:43]  * MartijnVdS listens to TIMC
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> \o/ timc http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/timc
[17:44] <daftykins> one guy being serious, one not
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yes :)
[17:45] <daftykins> my what hilarious consequences may brew up :)
[18:20] <Nece228> Hi, is it easy to find a web developer job in uk?
[18:33] <BigRedS> Standards apper to be low, yes
[18:33] <daftykins> lol
[18:53] <Nece228> BigRedS: what do you mean?
[18:56] <zoizoi> LIST
[19:13] <cliftonts> Hey, Azelphur, are you there?
[19:13] <Azelphur> yep
[19:13] <Seeker`> I just lost the game :(
[19:13] <cliftonts> it was you that suggested I should build a cantenna wasn't it?
[19:13] <Azelphur> yep
[19:14] <cliftonts> it works great, except for the fact it doesn't work!
[19:14] <Azelphur> wait, did it explode and kill your kittens?
[19:14] <Azelphur> :P
[19:14] <Azelphur> oh, that's no good :(
[19:14] <cliftonts> the signal is through the roof but the wireless card refuses to connect to anything
[19:14] <Azelphur> what did you use as the can?
[19:14] <Azelphur> haha
[19:14] <cliftonts> It won't even connect to a router sat right next to it while it's not in the can!
[19:14] <Azelphur> :(
[19:15] <cliftonts> any thoughts?
[19:15] <Azelphur> sounds like either the laptop is playing up or the stick is broken
[19:15] <Azelphur> try a different computer?
[19:15] <cliftonts> it's a brand new stick and I don't have any other computers
[19:15] <cliftonts> it reports itself as RTL8188CUS
[19:16] <cliftonts> could it be some sort of conflict between the laptop's own wireless and the usb one?
[19:16] <Azelphur> unlikely
[19:17] <Azelphur> you can't take it to your neighbours and test it on his machine?
[19:17] <cliftonts> it keeps asking for the passphrase again and defaulting back to the internal wireless
[19:17] <Azelphur> ah
[19:17] <Azelphur> maybe right click > edit connections and delete everything in there
[19:17] <Azelphur> that deletes all saved passwords / settings
[19:18] <cliftonts> Not really, he has some friend who are best avoided. I'd rather not take the chance they are there.
[19:18] <Azelphur> that helps me sometimes when wifi is playing up
[19:18] <cliftonts> That will cut me off, so please bare with
[19:18] <Azelphur> righto
[19:23] <cliftonts> seems to have made no difference
[19:23] <Azelphur> :(
[19:24] <Azelphur> what are you connected with now, your internal wifi?
[19:24] <cliftonts> yup7
[19:24] <cliftonts> and I know the passphrase is right because it's copied and pasted
[19:24] <Azelphur> only thing I can suggest is trying the dongle in a different computer to see if it's broke
[19:25] <cliftonts> Aah!  It's got a bad attitude on my machine
[19:26] <Azelphur> could try that :)
[19:26] <cliftonts> brb then
[19:36] <cliftonts> right, it connects now but I can't see any networks outside my room!
[19:37] <daftykins> you got it aimed right? cantennas are directional i think?
[19:39] <cliftonts> in 12.10 it had full signal even without the cantenna
[19:39] <Azelphur> oddness
[19:39] <daftykins> use iwconfig and what not to see some real stats?
[19:40] <cliftonts>  i was using aircrack
[19:41] <daftykins> haha
[19:41] <cliftonts> ?
[19:41] <daftykins> ah it's just amusing to assume what you might be able to get up to in the coming days XD
[19:42] <cliftonts> and what might that be?
[19:42] <daftykins> i know they're good analysis tools
[19:42] <daftykins> nah dw i'm not meaning to annoy
[19:42] <cliftonts> I'm accessing a network I have permission to access
[19:43] <cliftonts> right I've got strong signal but for some reason it's choosing not to display the networks in the network manager list
[19:43] <cliftonts> I've noticed there are often many more networks listed on aircrack
[19:46] <cliftonts> hello?
[19:47] <SuperMatt> yo
[19:47] <SuperMatt> I don't know the answer
[19:47] <SuperMatt> have you tried changing the channel your wireless is operating on?
[19:47] <cliftonts> I think I do
[19:47] <cliftonts> http://askubuntu.com/questions/123937/rtl8188cus-wireless-usb-dongle-doesnt-work-unless-i-disable-wireless-security
[19:47] <SuperMatt> ah
[19:47] <SuperMatt> realtek
[19:48]  * SuperMatt nods sagely
[19:48] <cliftonts> I'm going to reboot and try that fix. 'I'm going out for a walk....I may be some time
[19:48] <SuperMatt> I know your pain
[19:48] <cliftonts> thanks all, bye
[19:57] <cliftonts> ok, next problem. The drivers are for kernel 2.6 or 3.0, not the 3.5 that ubuntu is using. Can I use these drivers?
[20:15] <einonm> ls
[20:15] <einonm> dammit, wrong window...
[20:18] <oimon> anyone know a good irc for plumbing advice?
[20:18] <oimon> cannot repressurize my boiler :(
[20:23] <cliftonts> Azelphur: I got it working!
[20:23] <Azelphur> cliftonts: woo
[20:23] <Azelphur> victory :p
[20:24] <cliftonts> well, it worked for a bit and then stopped loading pages. But I think the rest is just fine tuning
[20:24] <Azelphur> :)
[20:24] <cliftonts> right, I'm of to celebrate with a bacon sandwhich!
[20:25] <cliftonts> thanks for your help everyone
[20:25] <cliftonts> bye
[20:32] <ali1234> oimon: stack exchange DIY
[20:33] <ali1234> top question on front page when i went to it: http://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/16204/can-vermin-come-in-through-your-toilet-or-shower-drain-and-if-so-what-can-you
[20:33] <ali1234> my mother is always going on about that
[20:34] <ali1234> and obsessively keeping the bathroom door shut "in case rats swim up the toilet"
[20:35] <ali1234> of course it has never happened in 30 years
[20:39] <jacobw> that's odd
[20:40] <ali1234> i sent here the link to that news story about the python that got loose inside the drains of a tower block and she was like O.O
[20:42] <ali1234> i was like "it's fine it will eat the rats"
[20:44] <oimon> boilers make me depressed :(
[20:48] <davmor2> If I don't get back on before Xmas have a great Xmas everyone and I wish you health wealth and happiness for the new year
[21:00] <daftykins> ali1234: lol super scuba diving rats
[21:00] <ali1234> well rats are good swimmers. it's climbing up the pipe that presents the difficulty apparently
[21:01] <daftykins> ah-har
[21:01] <daftykins> yes, definitely not bred for anti-gravity
[21:04] <Nece228> Haha
[21:05] <Nece228> Btw is it easy to find web developer job?
[21:10] <Nece228> For immigrant?
[21:24] <solarcloud> I tried downloading 12.10 from the main-website, and got: 'ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.ISO', but, Is This the right version to install on a Atom/Intel Netbook-Samsung ??
[21:39] <AlanBell> solarcloud: probably, do you know precisely which atom it is?
[21:40] <AlanBell> well either way, give it a go, it will either work or tell you that it wants the 32bit CD
[21:40] <AlanBell> most atom chips are 64 bit but there were a handful of early netbook ones that were not
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> good thing they fixed that
[21:55] <dave101010> hi all just fond ubuntu uk today and think it is cool
[21:57] <dave101010> dpes any one know any app that will force a screen resiloution i have a eeepc 701sd and it get hard to do things on a small screen or haveing to press alt key all the time
[21:58] <brobostigon> dave101010: you should be able to change resolution inside the montiors section, inside the systems settings app.
[21:59] <dave101010> na it has only one then i tried jupiter and that had three sizes only one was god
[22:00] <brobostigon> dave101010: in wich case, you might have to create a custom xorg config, to force it from that side.
[22:01] <dave101010> yeah i have been looking on the ubuntu foroms under eeepc 701 and they say to run the install udner a custom string but then you restart and boom small again
[22:02] <brobostigon> dave101010: do you mean a grub parameter ?
[22:02] <dave101010> na the actualy screen res
[22:02] <dave101010> when fully booted
[22:03] <dave101010> it is a 7 inch screen so i am not expectijng the world
[22:03] <brobostigon> a fixed xorg config, wont that i know of, reset when you reboot, it will be fixed, over reboots.
[22:04] <dave101010> cool i will look up some good code and test it out thatnks
[22:05] <dave101010> do you listen to the podcast
[22:05] <brobostigon> when i can, yes.
[22:06] <brobostigon> dave101010: just be careful, back up your xorg config first, and make sure you can boot a live media, so you can fix, if it goes wrong.
[22:07] <dave101010> na i use this eeepc as a test rig so i can rebuild any time i need to plus i have a hbcd to format if i go really wrong
[22:08] <brobostigon> ok.
[22:09] <brobostigon> dave101010: more to the point, are you comfortable in command line? as if the xorg config fails, it may do either of two things, boot into basic xorg config, or xorg simply wont start, and will drop you into command line.
[22:10] <dave101010> i am learning more and more every day i have been playing with all flavors of linus for about 5 years so i got some tricks
[22:10] <brobostigon> :)
[22:13] <dave101010> by the sounds of it your a real programmer im just a script kid at the mo
[22:13] <brobostigon> dave101010: i can do basics c and c++ and alittle python, but nothing spectacular.
[22:14] <dave101010> i just do hex and learning c and c++
[22:14] <brobostigon> :)
[22:15] <dave__> sorry i had to change my name but still me
[22:16] <dave__> i went from webpage to xchat
[22:16] <ali1234> you can't change the resolution on an LCD
[22:16] <ali1234> you can make the fonts smaller though
[22:17] <brobostigon> ali1234: yes, i noticed such features, in gnome-shells accesability features.
[22:17] <ali1234> the procedure varies for each desktop
[22:17] <ali1234> some make it harder than others
[22:17] <dave__> there are some scripts that will do it but the one i used for setup was in the setup lines only
[22:18] <brobostigon> ali1234: yes.
[22:18] <brobostigon> dave__: which DE are you using ?
[22:19] <dave__> yeah i have the custom ubuntu i will load it in to a vm and jack the code for the screen see what they did more even switch back to gnome insted of unity
[22:19] <dave__> DE?
[22:19] <brobostigon> dave__: if it is gnome3, then it within the accessability features to change it.
[22:19] <brobostigon> desktop environment
[22:20] <dave__> unity at the mo i did a fresh install today of 12.04
[22:20] <brobostigon> unity i dont know.
[22:21] <dave__> it is like gnome but your have broken fingers
[22:21] <brobostigon> well, there are some rather large differences.
[22:22] <dave__> yeah i think i will go on to gnome that is what the eeebuntu has done
[22:23] <dave__> but that uses ubuntu 9 i think
[22:23] <brobostigon> 9.10/9.04 ? which must be EOL on desktop now, almost three years old.
[22:24] <brobostigon> !9.10
[22:28] <dave__> yeah befor uniy messed things up
[22:30] <dave__> right http://www.filiwiese.com/installing-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ says i get gnome 3 on 12/04
[22:32] <brobostigon> not sure on 12.04, but there is full gnome3 in 12.10.
[22:33] <dave__> nice cool
[22:33] <brobostigon> !info gnome-shell
[22:34] <dave__> you know what else eats me the password
[22:34] <dave__> so it may be worth just doing a upgrade then
[22:35] <brobostigon> !12.04
[22:35] <brobostigon> dave__: depends, if you want to stick with lts or not?
[22:35] <dave__> yeah
[22:36] <dave__> i want to learn ow to do it then rebuild it to look like a mac book
[22:36] <ali1234> eeePC 701 isn't supported in newer Ubuntu builds because it has no PAE
[22:37] <dave__> na i would have to do a command line or tick the box in update manager
[22:38] <ali1234> yes.
[22:38] <ali1234> and possibly build your own kernel
[22:38] <dave__> yeah one day not that good yet lol
[22:39] <dave__> im adding gnome 3 now to it see what happens
[22:39] <popey> ahh 702
[22:39] <popey> er, 701
[22:40] <popey> I ran crunchbang on one of those for a while
[22:40] <popey> still quite like xandrois
[22:40] <popey> -i
[22:40] <popey> -typos
[22:40] <dave__> yeah i got the eeepc 701 sd
[22:40] <popey> my kids still use their eeepc 900's running ubuntu 12.04
[22:41] <brobostigon> 12.10 with gnome3, runs mostly ok, on my eeepc 900 here.
[22:41] <dave__> right just restarting
[22:42] <dave__>  xandrois look nice i will try that
[22:43] <dave__> infact that is the os that it came with then i installed ubuntu
[22:45] <daftykins> :>
[22:47] <dave__> tell you what gnome 3 is nice more lile what i want add a few tewaks and think i will be there
[22:53] <dave__> right im off thanks for the help
[23:25] <ali1234> "first second third fourth fifth ..." - all these words are from old english except "second" which is from latin like "primary secondary tertiary" etc
[23:26] <ali1234> and now that i have realised this i have to find out why
[23:27] <daftykins> plaigirism (sp) in even the earliest times!
[23:43] <ali1234> anyone know a good SMS blocker for android? one that doesn't generate more notifications than it blocks?


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