[00:58] <head_victim> ikt: nice clean countdown btw
[00:59] <ikt> :)) ty
[00:59] <ikt> I've got lubuntu on my netbook
[00:59] <ikt> it's still a bit slow, the hard drive is a shocker
[00:59] <ikt> might start looking at puppy or something even ligher
[00:59] <ikt> lighter*
[01:08] <head_victim> Ah fair enough, I've found Lubuntu is a sweet spot for P4s
[01:09] <head_victim> Enough stuff you don't feel like you're running something TOO cut down but still able to browse the web and stuff without crying
[04:07] <ikt> head_victim, yeah that's what I try to aim for
[04:07] <ikt> running an uber minimalist desktop is cool until you try to do something
[04:08] <head_victim> Yeah uber minimalist is for when you "have to" not when "you feel like it"
[04:08] <head_victim> In my opinion
[04:13] <ikt> agreed
[04:13] <ikt> brb
[11:10] <airtonix> ikt: i'm using this as a server http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=13630
[11:10] <airtonix> htop shows four cpus
[11:10] <airtonix> only downside with this motherboard is it uses sodimm ram
[11:11] <airtonix> oh wait
[11:11] <airtonix> no thats the media centeri was supposed to get
[11:12] <head_victim> airtonix: how would that go as a low end desktop?
[11:12] <head_victim> I'm thinking of ditching this P4 in favour of something that won't break every second week and will use less power.
[11:12] <airtonix> not sure i actually recieved this in the mail instead : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357
[11:13] <head_victim> Onboard video card, even better.
[11:13] <airtonix> yeah ion2 is pretty good
[11:13] <head_victim> Would that run basic web browsing (flash included?)
[11:13] <airtonix> it's atom 5xx series cpu
[11:14] <airtonix> that alone is enough
[11:14] <airtonix> the ion2 gpu is crazy for its power usage
[11:14] <head_victim> So if I bought that, a case and some ram it would be great
[11:14] <airtonix> i wouldn't get that motherboard
[11:14] <head_victim> And it all just "works" under linux?
[11:14] <airtonix> well
[11:14] <airtonix> asus fucked up the qualified memory list
[11:15] <airtonix> but in general
[11:15] <head_victim> I'm only just starting to look into this so no idea about atoms or ions other than basics
[11:15] <airtonix> i had to do some legwork getting audio output through hdmi
[11:15] <airtonix> well let me put it this way
[11:15] <head_victim> Not an issue, I only use a stereo jack through a mixer to speakers
[11:15] <airtonix> does everything my desktop would do
[11:16] <airtonix> and i looked out our power bill for the last quarter
[11:16] <airtonix> virtually no difference compared to the same qaurter previous year
[11:16] <head_victim> So ion's are reasonably well supported linux wise?
[11:16] <airtonix> yeah
[11:16] <head_victim> I might buy 2 and get rid of the wife's p4 as well
[11:16] <airtonix> it shits all over a p4 imo
[11:16] <head_victim> We have quad cores with 8800gts for gaming
[11:16] <head_victim> Just need a "daily" on the side
[11:17] <airtonix> yeah but like i said
[11:17] <airtonix> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357
[11:17] <airtonix> avoid that one
[11:17] <airtonix> memory it wants is virtually none existant
[11:17] <airtonix> won't turn on without the right ram
[11:18] <airtonix> but that's due to the southbridge or northbridge or some shit that asus used
[11:18] <head_victim> Ah ok, how does ion compare to onboard intel video?
[11:18] <head_victim> http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qryPart=11092 something like that but with dvi
[11:18] <airtonix> i wouldn't even put any video stuff intel make in the same bracket as anything nvidia makes
[11:19] <airtonix> nah
[11:19] <head_victim> That's a fair call, just checking. This low power stuff is interesting but I've never had a chance to check it out. Sorry for the questions but I had my p4 in parts today and to find someone on here with experience I'm trying to pick your brain a bit
[11:19] <airtonix> make sure it has at least an nvidia ion1 gpu
[11:20] <airtonix> and then you install latest nvidia binary drivers
[11:21] <head_victim> I figure on board video has to be better on power than a low end video card anyway
[11:21] <airtonix> yeah the ion gpu is part of the motherboard
[11:21] <airtonix> this is the motherboard im using for a server http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html
[11:21] <airtonix> with a 4 port sata daughterboard
[11:22] <airtonix> initially i used one of these as the psu
[11:22] <airtonix> http://www.mini-box.com.au/M3-ATX%20125w%20output.html
[11:22] <airtonix> and i still use one of those in the media center
[11:22] <airtonix> but for the server i need to support internal sata drives
[11:23] <head_victim> I figure if I buy http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14571 that 15o should be enough I hope
[11:23] <airtonix> does it have to look good ?
[11:23] <ikt> *must resist urge to buy mini-itx computer*
[11:23] <head_victim> Hah I have all my desktops currently in a rack
[11:24] <head_victim> So no, looks aren't a huge factor, but for 100 bucks for a case and psu I thought it wasn't bad
[11:24] <airtonix> for another 35$ you can get a lian li case
[11:24] <airtonix> http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html
[11:24] <airtonix> woops
[11:24] <head_victim> But I'm not really sure how much juice one of those would use
[11:25] <airtonix> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1119&products_id=16066
[11:25] <airtonix> well the motherboard uses around 10w
[11:25] <airtonix> and you would add 20w per 3.5 drive
[11:25] <airtonix> since each drive uses about that on startup
[11:25] <head_victim> Well that one has no PSU though so it'd work out nearly double
[11:25] <airtonix> yeah just get a picopsu
[11:26] <head_victim> It would have a single hdd, single dvdrw
[11:26] <airtonix> save you tonnes of room
[11:26] <airtonix> 80w is plenty
[11:26] <head_victim> What am I missing, the antec one looks tiny compared to that lian li
[11:27] <head_victim> Ah the antec is longer not taller
[11:27] <airtonix> http://www.mini-box.com.au/power%20supply%20kits.html
[11:27] <airtonix> head_victim: yeah i bought two of these at 30$ each : http://www.mini-box.com.au/M350%20Universal%20Mini-ITX%20enclosure.html
[11:27] <head_victim> So yeah, it would approximately double the price of the antex
[11:28] <airtonix> if your monitor has mounting slots on the back those 350s are great
[11:28] <airtonix> but you need to use optical drives
[11:28] <head_victim> Nah I'm pretty well cabled up to have all the desktops sit in what used to be a wall mount comms cabinet (now a rack on wheels) between the 2 desk.
[11:29] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/sets/72157623060452960/
[11:30] <head_victim> So I'd just put a shelf in and put them there
[11:34] <airtonix> with picopsus it be a whole lot more quite
[11:35] <airtonix> i can imagine how noisy that room is
[11:35] <head_victim> The other would still be quieter than a p4
[11:35] <head_victim> We have music or the tv playing anytime we're in the room anyway
[11:35] <head_victim> I've ditched all but one of the servers. The loudest single device is the netgear 24port switch actually.
[11:36] <head_victim> Well it's the one I hear most
[11:36] <airtonix> fan?
[11:37] <head_victim> Yeah, it's one of their blue box "real" pieces of hardware so noise wasn't a factor in it's design. Think server rooms.
[11:38] <head_victim> But if I get 2 low power PCs in that cabinet I can probably hang the door again (temperatures were stopping me now) so that would reduce the noise as well
[11:39] <airtonix> yeah i recently modified my built in robes top section to be a server cabinet, installed air ducting and an inline extraction fan to pump out hot air into the attics venting
[11:39] <airtonix> i had to hang the fan from the rafters on spirngs
[11:39] <head_victim> Nice work, the goal is to air con this room one day but hasn't happened yet
[11:40] <head_victim> And this room is on the other side of the house from the bedroom so doesn't really affect sleep
[11:40] <airtonix> so you'd be getting ducted air conditioning?
[11:41] <head_victim> Nah I am thinking a split system in here and a split system in the bedroom. The rest of the house has really good airflow already. It's a heavily renovated Qld'er
[11:41] <head_victim> The ceilings are 3.5m for starters
[11:41] <head_victim> The bedroom and this study are sort of cut off from the air flow though so if I air con these 2 (the rooms we use most anyway) we should be fine


[01:10] <Milky> i am using ubuntu intrepid alpha 3 with compiz.  i can enable compiz fine, but all i can get is the 'normal' effects.  if i change the effects level to 'extra' or if i try to change the settings using ccsm, my changes take no effect at all.  I know that intrepid is still in alpha so this problem might go away eventually, but i have never had the problem before in hardy and i am just wondering if anyone has ever had this problem
[01:11] <Milky> also, i did not originally have this problem with alpha 2
[01:16] <Fallenou> hi
[01:17] <Fallenou> i just upgraded form Hardy Heron to Intrepid and now my keymap is messed up , what's wrong ?
[01:17] <Fallenou> when i press "alt gr" it does "Enter", my up key takes a screenshot and so on
[01:17] <Fallenou> is that bug well known ?
[01:47] <pwnguin> is there a doc on the keymap?
[01:48] <shellback> hi all
[01:54] <emma> Does anyone know when we might get ext4 ?
[01:55] <pwnguin> right after you build it
[01:55] <pwnguin> judging from my communication with the kernel team
[01:55] <emma> Okies let me get crackin
[01:56] <pwnguin> to be fair, it's really not considered stable by the author
[01:56] <emma> I see.
[01:56] <emma> It just seems interesting.
[01:56] <emma> I heard it will have time stamping to the nano second.
[01:56] <pwnguin> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-August/002829.html
[01:56] <crdlb> 'interesting' is not an adjective you want describing your filesystem
[01:56] <pwnguin> sure it is
[01:57] <cycom> how do I hold a package back when I upgrade to intrepid?
[01:58] <crdlb> it should be interesting back when it was new
[01:58] <cycom> I don't want it to upgrade Xorg because FGLRX doesn't work with the new Xorg.
[01:58] <crdlb> by the time you start using it, it should be boring and reliable
[01:58] <emma> are file systems made with the physical properties of the hardware in mind, or is the hardware made with file systems in mind?
[01:58] <pwnguin> crdlb: i find faster benchmarking interesting ;)
[01:58] <pwnguin> emma: probably both
[01:59] <pwnguin> but i know of several examples where filesystems are designed for the hardware
[01:59] <crdlb> I find data integrity useful :>
[01:59] <pwnguin> crdlb: sure, but theres no reason to stamp out passing interest in core components
[01:59] <emma> If it were not for bad data integrity we would all still be fish.
[02:00] <pwnguin> "thou shallt not use ubuntu 'dangerously'"
[02:00] <pwnguin> is dangerous
[02:02] <DanaG> ARgh, stupid broken gnome-session.
[02:02] <DanaG> And I am royally pissed off at nvidia now.
[02:03] <DanaG> Try this: start gdm, log in, switch to TTY immediately...... X will crash.
[02:03] <DanaG> And then it will steal focus when it relaunches.
[02:03] <DanaG> And then when you switch back to TTY, they're all permanently blank!
[02:12] <DanaG> Heh, apport sent me to this URL:
[02:12] <DanaG> [xpconnect wrapped nsISupports]
[02:12] <DanaG> That's the URL firefox tried to open, at least.
[03:10] <crimsun> DanaG: I presume you're referring to an 8.10-specific issue (WRT X.Org crashing), because I can't reproduce it in 8.04
[03:12] <DanaG> I think I've also had that in Hardy.
[03:12] <DanaG> Perhaps my tweaked xorg.conf is causing it.
[03:12] <DanaG> ... or some compiz-fusion plugin.
[03:13] <DanaG> The crashing isn't the biggest issue for me; the biggest one is the killing of the consoles.
[03:42] <scorch__> an1 upgraded to 8.10 yet?
[04:10] <bazhang> scorch__, have you read the topic? not advisable unless you are willing to deal with possible 'total system failure'
[04:26] <IdleOne> scorch__, I have but I don't advise unless you are ok with total system failure
[05:24] <DanaG> what the heck?  I try to follow an apport link, and Firefox opens this:
[05:24] <DanaG> [xpconnect wrapped nsISupports]
[05:24] <DanaG> That's the actual URL it tries to load!
[05:26] <DanaG> ... so, now I can't report bugs on anything through apport!
[05:41] <DanaG> Grr, broken console.
[05:42] <DanaG> Great, now one of my folders consistently crashes QuodLibet.
[05:43] <DanaG> ... and I can't file an automated bug report, because "[xpconnect wrapped nsISupports]" (the actual, verbatim URL that shows up in the Firefox address bar) is totally broken.
[05:50] <DanaG> aararararrargh.
[06:00] <DanaG> Heh, another funny thing: new windows start out showing random bits of my corrupt consoles.
[06:02] <DanaG> Odd, downgrading gnome-session fixed quodlibet, too.
[06:22] <scorch__> what is the new install doing
[06:22] <scorch__> to be a total system failure
[06:24] <DanaG> Well, for me... the current repo version of gnome-session is broken, for some reason.
[06:26] <scorch__> repo?
[06:27] <DanaG> repository.
[06:27] <DanaG> i.e. the current packaged version.
[06:27] <scorch__> ah tru
[06:27] <scorch__> wierd,l;.. i am upgradeing now
[06:27] <scorch__> well see what happens i guess
[06:40] <cypherdelic> So my medibuntu bug with libmp3lame0 arrived ubuntu, avidemux is broken, can anyone agree???
[06:41] <RAOF> cypherdelic: EPARSE.  What is it that you're actually saying?
[06:42] <cypherdelic> my current updates include avidemux
[06:42] <cypherdelic> that is not posssible because of libmp3lame0 not installable
[06:43] <cypherdelic> as weill as libaccodec51 from medibuntu
[06:44] <RAOF> Well, that'd be a problem with medibuntu, which isn't an official Ubuntu repository, which means you need to take it up with them.
[06:44] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/257043
[06:44] <cypherdelic> noo dude it is libmp3lame0 from ubuntu
[06:44] <cypherdelic> is it not clear for you?
[06:44] <cypherdelic> than search for the package
[06:44] <cypherdelic> and try to install
[06:45] <cypherdelic> libmp3lame
[06:45] <cypherdelic> and please tell me if it works for you?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> cypherdelic: works here.
[06:45] <RAOF> libmp3lame0 is totally installable.
[06:45] <RAOF> It's only depend is libc6.
[06:46] <cypherdelic> hmm
[06:46]  * RAOF again sings the "blame medibuntu" song.
[06:47] <RAOF> Well, you can't really blame them for not tracking Intrepid, I guess.
[06:47] <cypherdelic> ok thanks that was what i want :)
[06:52] <cypherdelic> can i blame my of adding medibuntu repo and hit ugrade?
[06:52] <cypherdelic> me
[06:53] <cypherdelic> im idling now the day use highlight i watch it later
[10:19] <wers> why is that, the New Human theme of my user account and of my root account look different?
[10:47] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[10:48] <s0u][ight> is the final release of intrepid going to use a patched driver for the iwl4965
[10:49] <RAOF> Quite possibly, but whether or not the specific patch you're thinking of is applied is a different matter.
[10:50] <RAOF> Your question is probably "will $MY_BUG be fixed by release", right?
[10:50] <s0u][ight> patched for the aircrack suite
[10:50] <s0u][ight> so the possibility to inject and the mac80211 core to be patched to perform fragmentation attacks
[10:51] <s0u][ight> the second patch is not only for the iwl4965 but all mac80211 drivers
[10:51] <RAOF> And why would one want to do that?
[10:53] <s0u][ight> well that will save aircrack-ng suite users who will use intrepid to do less work
[10:53] <s0u][ight> and i thought doing the hard work for the end users was a part of the ubuntu idea
[10:54] <RAOF> No, I mean "what does aircrack-ng do"?
[10:55] <s0u][ight> ow it is a suite with several tools to do wireless networking testing
[10:55] <Ng> it hilights my irc client ;p
[10:55] <RAOF> Obviously, the way to advocate a patch be applied is to file a bug against the kernel with the patch and justification why the patch should be applied.
[10:56] <s0u][ight> RAOF: i dont understand that sentence... damn i still have language limitations
[10:56] <RAOF> s0u][ight: Ah, sorry.
[10:56] <RAOF> s0u][ight: The way to suggest that a patch be applied to the kernel is to file a bug against the kernel.
[10:57] <RAOF> You should attach the patch to the bug, and also explain why the patch should be applied - why do we want this patch?
[10:57] <s0u][ight> brb
[10:57] <RAOF> If the patch isn't applied upstream then it's a good idea to also state _why_ it hasn't been applied upstream, and why those reasons don't apply to Ubuntu.
[10:59] <s0u][ight> hmmm in fact now im thinking that if the patch is directly applied by the compat-wireless there would be less distro specific discussions right?
[11:15] <RAOF> s0u][ight: So, the mac80211 core is going to come from the kernel; if the patch were applied to the kernel.org kernel, that'd be good; all distros would get the benefit.
[11:16] <RAOF> s0u][ight: That's ultimately the right way to go; we generally want to have as few patches as possible applied.
[11:17] <s0u][ight> ok going to see what i can do
[11:17] <s0u][ight> maybe it is allready in a list for the next kernel release :D
[11:20] <s0u][ight> RAOF: where can i find kernel developers?
[11:20] <s0u][ight> i mean on irc
[11:20] <RAOF> I don't know.  You can find the Ubuntu kernel maintainers in #ubuntu-kernel.
[11:21] <s0u][ight> ok tnx
[11:57] <s0u][ight> hi again
[12:39] <bazhang> !find eee
[12:39] <bazhang> !info libieee1284-3
[12:40] <bazhang> !info eeepc-acpi-scripts
[12:40] <bazhang> !find eeepc
[16:56] <cmdrpinksock> so yah...   everyone else have the same problem with the 8.10 upgrade?  can not start x server, internal error....
[16:57] <pwnguin> actually, no
[16:57] <cmdrpinksock> so it worked fine for you?
[16:58] <pwnguin> "fine" is subjective
[16:58] <pwnguin> it didnt crash
[16:58] <pwnguin> cmdrpinksock: by chance, can you get an xorg log?
[16:58] <cmdrpinksock> my upgrade did not crash...... i rebotted after the upgrade then it came
[16:58] <cmdrpinksock> up fine
[16:58] <cmdrpinksock> then reebooted again then fail
[16:58] <cmdrpinksock> no
[16:59] <cmdrpinksock> I can not get to that file now...
[16:59] <cmdrpinksock> it gives me a regular login
[16:59] <pwnguin> gdm?
[16:59] <cmdrpinksock> when i try to log in it says file system read only
[17:00] <cmdrpinksock> then give me the loging promot agian
[17:00] <pwnguin> are you booting 2.6.26 by chance?
[17:00] <cmdrpinksock> yeha
[17:00] <cmdrpinksock> -5
[17:01] <cmdrpinksock> when i boot it says to fix the internal error and restart gdm then falls to the regular "UNix" login
[17:01] <pwnguin> ok
[17:02] <cmdrpinksock> try to login then it says mail: ************/ / /  (something): file system read only
[17:02] <pwnguin> there's some stuff we can do from ther
[17:02] <pwnguin> dmesg
[17:02] <pwnguin> should still work
[17:02] <cmdrpinksock> then gives me my login again
[17:02] <cmdrpinksock> its recursive
[17:02] <pwnguin> ouch
[17:03] <cmdrpinksock> yeah
[17:03] <cmdrpinksock> i think i am screwed
[17:03] <cmdrpinksock> going to wait for the oct iso and reinstall i think
[17:03] <pwnguin> that might be one way
[17:03] <pwnguin> get a live cd
[17:03] <pwnguin> mount the F
[17:03] <pwnguin> fs
[17:04] <cmdrpinksock> ok
[17:04] <pwnguin> and grab xorg.conf and xorg logs
[17:04] <cmdrpinksock> ok
[17:05] <pwnguin> there's also some kernel logs that would be interesting
[17:05] <cmdrpinksock> has anyone else had this problem that you know of?
[17:05] <pwnguin> but afaik, 2.6.26 isn't supposed to be the default in intrepid
[17:05] <pwnguin> maybe i misread something
[17:06] <cmdrpinksock> yeah its 2.6.26-5
[17:07] <cmdrpinksock> you said the LiveCd and not the Alternate right??
[17:07] <cmdrpinksock> do you know if 8.04 iso is for DVD or CD
[17:08] <pwnguin> either works, but you might find the liveCD easier
[17:08] <pwnguin> good question
[17:08] <pwnguin> im reading that alpha4 might not have a .iso
[17:08] <pwnguin> for cd
[17:13] <johninlex> hello all
[17:55] <gnumm> doyourecommand any special version of virtualbox for ubuntu 8.10?
[18:04] <zajca> Hi, i have problem with II. i can't connect to internet, i can't add my static IP adress to nm-connetction-manager. when i use manual configuration, OK button go to inactive and i can't confirm configuration.
[18:05] <zajca> in terminal i have this"**(nm-configuration-editor:7172): warning**:Invalid setting IPv4 settings:addresses"
[18:28]  * Ng waves to lamalex ;)
[18:28] <lamalex> haha hi Ng
[18:46] <zAo^> Who can help with some PulseAudio troubles? I'm on Ibex Server. Thanks
[18:47] <hwilde> !pulse > zAo^
[18:48] <zAo^> thnx, but I tried that one :)
[18:48] <hwilde> so whats your problem no sound at all?
[18:49] <zAo^> Yeah, cannot even start the daemon without errors
[18:49] <zAo^> Starts with:
[18:49] <zAo^> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[18:49] <zAo^> W: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
[18:49] <zAo^> W: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[18:49] <hwilde> are you super user
[18:49] <zAo^> root or normal: it makes no differences
[18:50] <hwilde> what version
[18:51] <zAo^> pulseaudio 0.9.10
[18:52] <hwilde> "This bug was fixed in the package pulseaudio - 0.9.10-2ubuntu2"
[18:52] <hwilde> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=866965
[18:52] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/242966
[18:53] <hwilde> "This bug was fixed in the package alsa-utils - 1.0.16-1ubuntu3"
[18:54] <zAo^> I'm on 0.9.10-2ubuntu3 and 1.0.16-1ubuntu3 :S
[19:08] <zAo^> thanks anyway hwilde
[19:08] <hwilde> post to those bugs on the forum
[19:08] <hwilde> then subscribe and see if you get an update
[19:08] <hwilde> it's dead in here today
[19:09] <hwilde> or for kicks you could ask in #alsa
[21:17] <emma> Hey guys, is there a medibuntu repo for Intrepid yet?
[21:18] <burhan> has the visual theme been finalized?
[21:22] <jpds> !medibunty
[21:23] <jpds> emma: They usually do the packages after the release.
[21:23] <emma> cool, is is possible to use the medibuntu hardy repo to install w32codecs on Intrepid?
[21:24] <emma> For that matter I think i can just use the Debian repo if it's a one time thing, shouldn't hurt. I think.
[21:25] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone - does have problems with gdm or kdm not launching automatically?
[21:25] <jpds> emma: Dunno really..
[21:25] <emma> I'll do it and see what happens :)
[22:06] <askand> Hi, how do I get rid of the problem that I can not play flash and other sounds at the same time? I was told something about asound from intrepid or something, anyone knows?
[22:18] <mahfiaz> is there any new on nvidia for xserver-1.5 and geforce4?
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> Gotta wait until nvidia updates their drivers
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> which they haven't yet
[22:19] <mahfiaz> JontheEchidna, hope they will soon :)
[22:19]  * JontheEchidna is sad too :(
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I miss desktop effects
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> and opengl in general
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> well, hardware accelerated opengl ;-)
[22:25] <mahfiaz> wait, there is nv project also, I am on vesa right now :)
[22:25] <mahfiaz> stupid me :)
[22:26] <mahfiaz> btw, I was quite surprised, that vesa is almost bearable, no movies nice, but desktop ok
[23:01] <emma> jpds -- seems to pretty much work.
[23:01] <jpds> emma: Good to hear :)
[23:01] <emma> jpds - I just found a .deb package on the debian sites, downloaded it, and dpkg -i on it.  Seems to be working in kubuntu intrepid, as I have amarok working now. :)
[23:02] <jpds> :)
[23:47] <cskmax> What's the proper sources.list line for Intrepid? Is it #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted universe multiverse?
[23:47] <cskmax> (sans the # of course)
[23:47] <RAOF> That'll be one possibility, yes.
[23:48] <cskmax> Thanks
[23:49] <cskmax> downloading from that mirror is painfully slow at the moment and I wanted to make sure it wasn't a config problem on my end.
[23:50] <RAOF> You could always try another mirror.
[23:50] <RAOF> a.u.c is always slow.
[23:52] <cskmax> I'd love to. Where can I find a list of intrepid mirrors? Searching didn't turn up anything immediately relevant.
[23:55] <cskmax> I guess "apt-mirror" should do the trick.


[02:23] <smartboyhw> Well, it looks like  nobody reviewed my packages:(
[02:23] <smartboyhw> Don't upload simon, but at least rekonq and libkfbapi...
[05:28] <ScottK> 4.10.4 is released to raring-updates
[05:48] <smartboyhw> ScottK, \o/
[06:02]  * smartboyhw goes and makes the announcement for 4.10.4
[06:03] <smartboyhw> Er, we haven't backported it to quantal/precise right? Or we shall just backport for 4.10.5 instead?
[06:06] <mgraesslin> fyi: a Kubuntu user confirmed that KWin+Wayland is working with the packages in saucy - good job
[06:07] <smartboyhw> mgraesslin, great:)
[06:07] <mgraesslin> there was only a small problem I had not considered in my instructions: distributions without systemd
[06:10] <smartboyhw> eh
[06:10] <smartboyhw> soee, 4.10.4 is now in raring-updates.
[06:11] <soee> :)
[06:11] <smartboyhw> Heck, I should change the announcement instead:P
[06:15] <smartboyhw> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.4
[06:15] <smartboyhw> Can someone check it, or is there another way to describe it's uploaded to raring-updates?
[06:16] <smartboyhw> ScottK, ^
[06:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[06:18] <ScottK> Completed QA testing in the proposed changes repository and has been released for all users in raring-updates.
[06:18]  * ScottK can't find the password and is too tired to look.
[06:18] <ScottK> Good night.
[06:18] <smartboyhw> ...............................
[06:23] <valorie> smartboyhw: I can check if you paste somewhere?
[06:23]  * valorie has no access to the website keys
[06:24] <smartboyhw> valorie, ,,,,,s
[06:24] <smartboyhw> You don't have? :O
[06:24] <valorie> nope, I got sort of out of website admin for a few years
[06:24] <valorie> just learning how to ssh again, etc.
[06:25] <smartboyhw> valorie, meh
[06:25] <valorie> I used to have websites when I did genealogy
[06:25] <smartboyhw> paste.kde.org/786062 valorie
[06:25] <valorie> can you just paste into paste.kde.org and give it a password?
[06:25] <valorie> ok
[06:25] <smartboyhw> valorie, password? Really?
[06:25] <smartboyhw> :P
[06:26]  * smartboyhw doesn't think it's seriously confidential enough to password it
[06:26] <valorie> ok
[06:26] <valorie> I would make this a full sentence: Bugs in the software to KDE.
[06:26] <smartboyhw> valorie, well, it has been it for ages.
[06:26] <valorie> like: Please report bugs...
[06:26] <valorie> ok
[06:26] <valorie> that's ok then
[06:27] <smartboyhw> That's actually the original announcement for 4.10.4. I just changed the raring bits.
[06:27] <valorie> heh
[06:27] <valorie> that's smart use of your time
[06:27] <smartboyhw> valorie, ofc :P
[06:27] <smartboyhw> valorie, you think it's good to publish?
[06:28] <valorie> yes
[06:28]  * smartboyhw publishes
[06:28] <smartboyhw> DONE
[06:28] <valorie> awesome
[06:29] <valorie> y'all worked really hard on all this
[06:29] <valorie> and this is a hard time of the year, with end of school, etc.
[06:31] <smartboyhw> valorie, not for me. I came back to Kubuntu packaging after my exams (and the results are excellent, so...)
[06:32] <valorie> excellent
[06:32] <valorie> I'm sorry to hear that you'll miss Akademy this year, though
[06:32] <smartboyhw> valorie, I think i will miss it till 18:P
[06:32] <valorie> touring around the UK should be all kinds of fun, though
[06:33] <smartboyhw> valorie, not just touring. Don't forget, we are a "study" tour.
[06:33] <valorie> where do you plan to go to school?
[06:33] <valorie> sure
[06:33] <valorie> I think traveling is educational even with no 'lessons' added
[06:35] <smartboyhw> valorie, we DO have lessons. Meh
[06:35] <valorie> oh, well
[06:36] <valorie> I'm the type of person who visits museums for fun, and reads textbooks
[06:36] <valorie> so learning to me IS fun
[06:37] <smartboyhw> ....
[06:38] <mgraesslin> give a few years and you will realize that, too
[06:39] <smartboyhw> Yeah, we don't get it until university or latter stages.
[06:39] <smartboyhw> For secondary students, NOT. :P
[06:40]  * mgraesslin is sure you are already learning for the fun of it
[06:40]  * mgraesslin remembers a blog post about learning packaging stuff for example
[06:41] <smartboyhw> mgraesslin, oh?
[06:42] <valorie> I enjoyed my time in college, even working for grades
[06:42] <valorie> maybe I'm just weird
[06:42] <mgraesslin> "I hate symbols -> I love symbols"
[06:43] <valorie> lol
[06:43] <smartboyhw> mgraesslin, LOL LOL LOL LOL
[06:43] <smartboyhw> That one:P
[06:43] <valorie> mgraesslin: coming to Akademy?
[06:44] <mgraesslin> valorie: given that I have a talk scheduled, I guess I'm expected to board the plane ;-)
[06:44] <valorie> haha!
[06:44] <valorie> now that I think of it, I did see your name
[06:44] <valorie> so I'll see you once again
[06:44] <mgraesslin> I also plan to attend part of the Kubuntu developer summit
[06:44] <valorie> GREAT
[06:45] <valorie> gosh, I wonder what we'll discuss?
[06:45] <mgraesslin> yeah - the large KDE family reunion - once a year in Europe
[06:45] <valorie> :-)
[06:45] <valorie> that's how it feels, for sure
[06:45] <smartboyhw> valorie, how to break down Mir?
[06:46] <mgraesslin> smartboyhw: let's be positive: how to transit to Wayland
[06:46] <valorie> I'll make a target, call it MIR and pin it to Martin's back~
[06:46] <valorie> yes, let's be positive
[06:47] <valorie> the Mir discussions/flamewars are fun and all
[06:47] <mgraesslin> not really
[06:47] <valorie> but beginning to get a bit tedious
[06:47] <mgraesslin> I find it very exhausting
[06:47] <valorie> well, you are on the front line
[06:47] <mgraesslin> and I don't want to be
[06:47] <valorie> and damn it, I don't want there to be a war
[06:47] <valorie> at all
[06:47] <valorie> fanbois
[06:48] <valorie> grrr
[06:48]  * smartboyhw agrres with mgraesslin and valorie
[06:48] <smartboyhw> Yeah, better if you guys discuss the transit to Wayland.
[06:48] <smartboyhw> Holy, it's starting to rain big here.
[06:48] <mgraesslin> well I hope that at least we don't get that much from Canonical any more - I asked to respect our decision and to not try to put the blame on us
[06:48] <smartboyhw> We got a tropical cyclone coming in (fortunately, not worse than originally forecasted)
[06:49] <valorie> mgraesslin: indeed
[06:49] <valorie> they can do as they like, even if i disagree that that's a good direction
[06:49] <valorie> I even see their reasoning
[06:49] <mgraesslin> exactly - I don't question their decision
[06:49] <mgraesslin> so they should not question our decision
[06:49] <valorie> but I wish they had more of an open mind about the ramifications
[06:50] <valorie> they seem to have tunnel vision so far
[06:50] <valorie> not healthy
[06:51] <smartboyhw> mgraesslin, valorie I'm going to be teaching a Ubuntu IRC Classroom session at 13:00 UTC. :P
[06:51] <valorie> nice
[06:51] <mgraesslin> smartboyhw: cool, what's the topic?
[06:52] <valorie> I love seeing us kub. people doing straightline ubuntu stuff
[06:52] <smartboyhw> mgraesslin, valorie "Using your preferred testing system with Test Cases"
[06:52] <valorie> it takes all the flavors, etc.
[06:52] <smartboyhw> Basically, it is a introduction to running through testing an ISO.
[06:52] <valorie> cool
[06:52] <smartboyhw> Fortunately, unlike last time, I prepared slideshows:)
[06:53] <valorie> we need a bit more help with that
[06:53] <smartboyhw> It was difficult to teach without screenshots...
[06:53] <valorie> unfortunately I'll be asleep then
[06:53] <smartboyhw> valorie, yeah:(
[07:24] <shadeslayer> morning
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Hey shadeslayer :)
[07:34] <shadeslayer> hi
[07:35] <yofel> moin
[07:35] <smartboyhw> Hello yofel
[07:35]  * smartboyhw wonders can yofel and shadeslayer review rekonq
[07:36] <shadeslayer> slightly busy at the moment with something else
[07:37] <shadeslayer> can do after that if it hasn't been looked at by then
[07:37] <yofel> same
[07:37] <yofel> ooh, digikam built on armhf \o/
[07:37] <smartboyhw> Oh alright.
[07:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/
[07:37] <yofel> suprisingly trivial solution :D
[07:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, :D
[07:37] <smartboyhw> 4.10.4 is in raring-updates BTW yofel
[07:38] <yofel> saw it
[07:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, shadeslayer 'm going to be teaching a Ubuntu IRC Classroom session at 13:00 UTC. :P
[07:38] <smartboyhw> s/'m/I'm/
[07:38] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "yofel, shadeslayer I'm going to be teaching a Ubuntu IRC Classroom session at 13:00 UTC. :P"
[07:38] <yofel> why did that list get longer since the last time I looked ? -.-
[07:38] <yofel> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu
[07:38] <smartboyhw> -.-
[07:39] <smartboyhw> Damn, it's symbols again.
[07:39] <yofel> oh right, nobody fixed okteta
[07:39] <smartboyhw> For okteta
[07:39]  * smartboyhw fixes
[07:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, actually what happened is that I tried to fix
[07:40] <yofel> I know
[07:40] <smartboyhw> All archs have symbols problems, I fed each single log into pkgkde-symbolshelper, and it didn't work out.
[07:40] <yofel> symbols are weird, just fix it again
[07:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, AGAIN!?
[07:40] <yofel> though I need to check what happened to all those removed symbols
[07:40] <yofel> unless someone removed the lib for those
[07:42] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah
[07:43] <yofel> (I'm assuming that because there's no MISSING lines for those)
[07:49] <smartboyhw> Backk.
[07:53] <shadeslayer> looking at rekonq noq
[07:53] <shadeslayer> *now
[07:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, great:)
[07:54] <smartboyhw> Actually, it's just a small fix.
[07:54] <smartboyhw> 2.3.2 that is.
[07:54] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: where is this fix?
[07:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I mean the 2.3.1 -> 2.3.2 fix.
[07:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/rekonq/2.0/rekonq-2.3.2.tar.bz2?r=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Frekonq%2F&ts=1372588070&use_mirror=kent
[07:55] <shadeslayer> right, but I don't see a dsc here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/1196237
[07:55] <smartboyhw> http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/rekonq-2-3-2-fixing-the-fixes/
[07:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, right, that's because I haven't given you one, it's in my main PPA.
[07:55] <smartboyhw> I posted the link thrice, but
[07:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/rekonq_2.3.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:56]  * shadeslayer falls off his chair
[07:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[07:56] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[07:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what?
[07:56] <shadeslayer> so many associations
[07:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oops sorry;P
[07:56]  * smartboyhw kicks shadeslayer out of his chair again.
[07:56] <smartboyhw> :P
[07:57] <valorie> that's a lotta lil symbols on that there page
[07:57] <smartboyhw> valorie, lil?
[07:57] <shadeslayer> wee symbols
[07:57]  * valorie was being silly
[07:57] <shadeslayer> loads of wee symbols
[07:57] <valorie> lil=little
[07:57] <smartboyhw> valorie, ah
[07:58]  * valorie is planning travel too and from akademy
[07:58] <valorie> or at least noting the options
[07:58] <smartboyhw> valorie, where do you live actually?
[07:59] <yofel> ooooh, smartboyhw is a member of the X team. wayland maintainer found ;P
[07:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, actually, I joined for bug triaging (never did it though)
[07:59] <yofel> heh
[07:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, heh
[07:59] <valorie> south of Seattle Washington, USA
[07:59] <valorie> I fly out on the 4th
[07:59] <smartboyhw> valorie, any direct flights to Barcelona or Madrid from Seattle/
[08:00] <smartboyhw> ?
[08:00] <valorie> nope
[08:00]  * shadeslayer is waiting for his visa
[08:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[08:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: coming to Akademy?
[08:00] <smartboyhw> Still waiting?
[08:00] <valorie> I'm flying to NY, and spending a few days with my son in Connecticut
[08:00] <valorie> hoping to see the fireworks in NYC
[08:00] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: will probably get it in a couple of days
[08:00] <shadeslayer> expecting it by the 2nd / 3rd
[08:00] <valorie> ScottK said he can't afford the time
[08:00] <valorie> :(
[08:00] <smartboyhw> valorie, ah, NY's easier
[08:00] <shadeslayer> :(
[08:01] <valorie> then I'm spending 2 days in Madrid
[08:01] <smartboyhw> :(
[08:01] <smartboyhw> valorie, great.
[08:01] <valorie> Prado!
[08:01] <valorie> so jetlag should be gone for akademy
[08:01] <valorie> coming back will be brutal though
[08:01] <smartboyhw> valorie, unfortunately you can't watch Real Madrid or Barcelona FC (or rather, buying LV bags?:P)
[08:02] <valorie> art over football!
[08:02] <smartboyhw> valorie, art!?!?
[08:02]  * smartboyhw hates art
[08:02] <valorie> the Prado is one of the world's leading museums
[08:02] <valorie> I can't wait to see it
[08:02] <valorie> what a privilege
[08:02] <smartboyhw> valorie, eh
[08:03] <valorie> smartboyhw: if you saw real art, you would feel the impact
[08:03]  * smartboyhw likes the Louvre in Paris better.
[08:03] <valorie> reproductions and such aren't the same
[08:03] <smartboyhw> valorie, Art is my WORST subject at school.
[08:03] <valorie> I've had the pleasure of spending a day in the Louvre
[08:03] <smartboyhw> In contrast, Computer Literacy is my best subject at school.
[08:03] <valorie> I could have spent three
[08:04] <valorie> well, I'm an artist along with my other interests
[08:04] <valorie> I make amazing paper
[08:05] <valorie> and i'm pretty computer literate
[08:06] <valorie> not so much in programming languages though
[08:06] <smartboyhw> valorie, me too. But I've got a long way to learn programming:P
[08:07] <valorie> I've been online longer than you've been alive!
[08:07] <smartboyhw> valorie, I know.
[08:07] <smartboyhw> And I won't argue with you on ages.
[08:09] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: looks good, uploading
[08:10] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thanks.
[08:11] <valorie> no argument; you are so much smarter than I was, that I'm blown away
[08:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, maybe review libkfbapi in the same PPA also?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> ack
[08:12] <valorie> after I hung out in this channel for a month or two and figured out that kubuntu was made by teenagers, I just couldn't believe it
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Don't touch simon, I haven't done the changes upstream wanted
[08:12] <shadeslayer> was going to be my next question :)
[08:12] <smartboyhw> valorie, well wait a minute, "teenagers" in your mind = ? age?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> people in their teens ? :P
[08:12] <valorie> teens are say, 12-20
[08:13] <valorie> some might have aged into their 20s
[08:13] <smartboyhw> valorie, OK, I'm a teen for sure but Riddell or ScottK isn't really a "TEEN" right?
[08:13] <valorie> I guess Riddell is the father figure, and ScottK and I are the grandparents
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Eh, simon has a LOT of --list-missing files
[08:14] <smartboyhw> valorie, sure, I'm the grandchild:P
[08:14] <valorie> <3
[08:14] <valorie> and i'm the linuxgrandma!
[08:16] <smartboyhw> valorie, yeah, we know that:)
[08:16] <shadeslayer> ej
[08:16] <shadeslayer> *eh
[08:16] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: libkfbapi-1.0/debian/libkgapi0-dbg
[08:16] <shadeslayer> ???
[08:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[08:16] <smartboyhw> :O
[08:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, hmm, that thing shouldn't BE there....
[08:17] <shadeslayer> why that is super odd
[08:17] <shadeslayer> since wouldn't debuild -S -sa have removed it
[08:17] <shadeslayer> when you uploaded it to lp
[08:18] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I only do debuild -S ...
[08:18] <smartboyhw> ;P
[08:18] <shadeslayer> ( when running dh_clean )
[08:18] <shadeslayer> eh
[08:18] <shadeslayer> what
[08:18] <smartboyhw> And also, that sounds like from libkgapi
[08:18] <smartboyhw> !?!?!?!??!??
[08:18] <mgraesslin> valorie: please join #plasma, we need a moderator - unpleasant user
[08:18] <valorie> I don't have ops
[08:18] <smartboyhw> mgraesslin, who?
[08:18] <mgraesslin> valorie: just to moderate
[08:18] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, eh, do I have to re-upload?
[08:19] <mgraesslin> not to kick
[08:19] <shadeslayer> heh yeah, how did that even end up there
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Damn:P
[08:19] <valorie> k
[08:19]  * smartboyhw re-uploads
[08:19] <mgraesslin> valorie: back log: http://paste.kde.org/786098/
[08:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, 5 minutes later find the file in my 2buntu ppa
[08:20] <smartboyhw> I'm uploading now, but it takes some time to appear.
[08:20] <valorie> thanks mgraesslin
[08:21] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: why not use ~ppaX
[08:21] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, to make the uploader more convenient?
[08:21] <smartboyhw> I mean, I only use ~ppaX when in Kubuntu PPAs.
[08:23] <mgraesslin> valorie: thanks for taking over
[08:24] <valorie> any time
[08:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/libkfbapi_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[08:26] <shadeslayer> k
[08:27] <smartboyhw> Does that still have the strange directory?
[08:27] <shadeslayer> will check in a moment
[08:28] <shadeslayer> eh
[08:28] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: why is the md5sum for the rekonq tar I got from sf and the one I got from lp different?
[08:28] <shadeslayer> oh bah
[08:28] <shadeslayer> sec
[08:29] <shadeslayer> nvm
[08:30] <smartboyhw> .....
[08:31] <shadeslayer> md5sum'd the wrong tar :)
[08:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[08:33] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: done
[08:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, \o/
[08:33] <smartboyhw> simon coming in one hour:p
[08:33] <shadeslayer> np
[08:33]  * shadeslayer starts looking at backporting 4.10.90 for quantal and precise
[08:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, fix 4.10.5 first:)
[08:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what does a new -dev package should depend on?
[08:35] <shadeslayer> libFOO (= {binary:Version})
[08:35] <shadeslayer> at the very least ^^
[08:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, hmm, there's no lib for simon yet...
[08:35] <smartboyhw> This is going to be a big project it seems.
[08:35] <shadeslayer> think about why a -dev package needs shipping for an app
[08:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why? :P
[08:36] <shadeslayer> exactly, why?
[08:36] <smartboyhw> Because you can't work without it.
[08:36] <shadeslayer> and there is no lib for simon?
[08:36] <smartboyhw> But there's only simon, no libsimon
[08:36] <smartboyhw> libsimon0
[08:36] <smartboyhw> no
[08:37] <shadeslayer> lib is not necessarily called libsimon :P
[08:37] <shadeslayer> could be called libmymagicpony
[08:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no lib at all
[08:37] <smartboyhw> Just that.
[08:37] <smartboyhw> W: simon: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libeventsimulation libsimonactions0 libsimonactionsui0 libsimonappcore0 libsimoncontextadapter0 libsimoncontextcoreui0 libsimoncontextdetection0 libsimoncontextui0 libsimonddatabaseaccess0 libsimondialogengine0 libsimondialogengineconfui0 libsimondialogenginegraphicalview0 libsimondialogenginettsview0 libsimondstreamer0 libsimongraphemetophoneme0 libsimoninfo0 libsimonjsonconnector0 libsim
[08:37] <smartboyhw> onlogging0 libsimonmodelcompilation0 libsimonmodelmanagementui0 libsimonmodeltest0 libsimonprogresstracking0 libsimonrecognitioncontrol0 libsimonrecognitionresult0 libsimonrecognizer0 libsimonsampleshare4 libsimonscenariobase0 libsimonscenarios0 libsimonscenarioui0 libsimonsound0 libsimontts0 libsimonuicomponents0 libsimonutils0 libsimonvision0 libsimonwav0 libsimonxml0 libsscdaccess4 libsscobjects0
[08:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that's a crisis out there:P ^
[08:37] <shadeslayer> funsies
[08:38] <shadeslayer> seems like there are a bazillion libs
[08:38] <shadeslayer> all stuffed into simon
[08:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that's the problem
[08:38]  * smartboyhw probably should make libsimon0
[08:38] <smartboyhw> Put everything in it  instead:P
[08:38] <shadeslayer> hm
[08:38] <yofel> what do you need to ship the headers for anyway?
[08:39] <shadeslayer> my original question ^^
[08:39] <yofel> because either leave it like it is or do it properly
[08:39] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel the question is: The headers aren't even shipped in 0.4.0...
[08:39] <yofel> latter might not be possible if I see stuff like libeventsimulation
[08:39] <smartboyhw> packaging I mean
[08:39] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: yeah, I don't think it's required to ship those headers
[08:40] <shadeslayer> I doubt anything uses them
[08:40] <shadeslayer> W: kactivities source: intra-source-package-circular-dependency libkactivities-bin libkactivities-models1 libkactivities6
[08:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, but why we shouldn't?
[08:40] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, hehe
[08:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: there is no reason to ship them
[08:41] <shadeslayer> btw I just realized, there are no symbols for libkfbapi
[08:41] <shadeslayer> we should probably introduce some
[08:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, alright, have you uploaded it yet?
[08:42] <smartboyhw> If yes, -0ubuntu2 will be needed
[08:42] <shadeslayer> yeah, already uploaded
[08:42] <shadeslayer> no big deal, we can introduce them with another upload
[08:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, uh, does this include the headers?
[08:42] <smartboyhw> However, one small thing: Many packages (the ones for Ubuntu and
[08:42] <smartboyhw> OpenSUSE, for example) omitted some key data files from the final
[08:42] <smartboyhw> packages (prompts files, general scenario, etc.) without which Simon
[08:42] <smartboyhw> 0.4.0 "crashes" immediately after startup (i.e., shows a fatal error and
[08:42] <smartboyhw> quits).
[08:43] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: did you rebuild akonadi-facebook against the new libkfbapi btw?
[08:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, not yet.
[08:43] <shadeslayer> is there a new release for that as well?
[08:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, never heard of.
[08:43]  * smartboyhw checks
[08:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, um, it's in kdepim-runtime it seems
[08:45] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[08:45] <smartboyhw> So, rebuild that?
[08:45] <shadeslayer> probably time to retire akonadi-facebook thne
[08:45] <shadeslayer> *then
[08:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you haven't answered my question yet:)
[08:46] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: which one? I didn't quite get the last question
[08:47] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, uh, does this include the headers one, with the upstream instructions below
[08:47] <shadeslayer> nope
[08:47] <shadeslayer> data files are usually arch independent files
[08:47] <shadeslayer> like images
[08:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, hmm, I can't find it with dh_install --list-missing...
[08:49] <shadeslayer> where is this written?
[08:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, kde-packagers mailing list
[08:49] <shadeslayer> and check debian/not-installed
[08:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no such file?
[08:51] <shadeslayer> then it seems like everything was installed?
[08:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah
[08:52] <shadeslayer> lemme check if Peter is around
[08:57] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Pre-Depends field of package unknown substitution variable ${misc:Pre-Depends} ?
[08:57] <smartboyhw> It's in libkfbapi1-dev
[08:57] <smartboyhw> Oops libkfbapi1
[08:57] <shadeslayer> lintian didn't warn me of that here
[08:57] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, not  lintian
[08:57] <smartboyhw> dpkg-gencontrol
[08:57] <smartboyhw> lintian should have NO warnings
[08:57] <smartboyhw> :P
[08:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell might know
[08:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, and also, packages with Architectures: all shouldn't have {shlibs:Depends} as Depends: right?
[08:59] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: why not?
[08:59] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, it says that it's unknown variable...
[08:59] <yofel> shlibs:Depends is not generated for arch:all
[08:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, so remove
[08:59] <smartboyhw> ?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> wait, arch:all = arch independent package?
[09:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah
[09:00] <yofel> right
[09:00] <shadeslayer> I always get confused :/
[09:00] <shadeslayer> okay they yeah, can be dropped
[09:00] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: though check what Debian did
[09:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, debian doesn't have that package I think
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Initial release: 0.4.0-0ubuntu1
[09:01]  * smartboyhw checks again though
[09:01] <shadeslayer> this is simon?
[09:01] <yofel> they don't
[09:01] <shadeslayer> no git packaging?
[09:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no.
[09:02] <tester56> hi, I am getting this when compiling sessionk on saucy:
[09:02] <tester56> CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but they are set to NOTFOUND.
[09:02] <tester56> Please set them or make sure they are set and tested correctly in the CMake files:
[09:02] <tester56> QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR
[09:02] <tester56>    used as include directory in directory /home/user/sessionk/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp
[09:03] <smartboyhw> tester56, did you install qt4-defaults?
[09:03] <tester56> what is qt4-defaults ... seems to be no package
[09:03] <smartboyhw> tester56, just sudo apt-get install qt4-*
[09:04] <tester56> you mean qt4-default
[09:04] <smartboyhw> tester56, yeah, sorry
[09:04]  * smartboyhw forgotten
[09:04] <smartboyhw> You need qt4 to compile...
[09:04] <smartboyhw> And BTW, why are you compiling KDE SC on your own?
[09:04] <tester56> now I have installed it and it works ... thx :D
[09:05] <smartboyhw> sessionk...
[09:05] <tester56> is there a sessionk version in the repos?
[09:05] <smartboyhw> tester56, hmm no...
[09:05] <tester56> i wanted to test the improved startup
[09:05] <smartboyhw> well, we need upstream to release something:P
[09:06] <tester56> dantti is not here today :-(
[09:08] <tester56> anyway it does not compile on saucy
[09:09] <tester56> In file included from /home/user/sessionk/src/XSMP/legacy.cpp:38:0:
[09:09] <tester56> /home/user/sessionk/src/XSMP/server.h:43:28: fatal error: X11/ICE/ICElib.h: No such file or directory
[09:09] <tester56>  #include <X11/ICE/ICElib.h>
[09:09] <yofel> libice-dev:amd64: /usr/include/X11/ICE/ICElib.h
[09:10] <smartboyhw> tester56, read the README of sessionk and make sure you install all dependencies first before compiling
[09:10] <smartboyhw> Holy cow, sessionk doesn't have a README!
[09:11] <tester56> there is no README :-(
[09:11] <shadeslayer> silly developers I tell you
[09:11] <smartboyhw> tester56, try compiling again after installing libice-dev first:)
[09:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[09:12]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[09:12] <shadeslayer> eh what
[09:12] <shadeslayer> I missed lunch
[09:12] <shadeslayer> gtg and lunch
[09:12] <tester56> i have installed libice-dev already
[09:12] <smartboyhw> tester56, still doesn't compile?
[09:12] <tester56> now getting:
[09:12] <tester56> [ 20%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/sessionk.dir/XSMP/legacy.cpp.o
[09:12] <tester56> In file included from /home/user/sessionk/src/XSMP/legacy.cpp:38:0:
[09:12] <tester56> /home/user/sessionk/src/XSMP/server.h:48:23: fatal error: X11/SM/SM.h: No such file or directory
[09:12] <tester56>  #include <X11/SM/SM.h>
[09:12] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:12] <yofel> fun
[09:13] <yofel> libsm-dev:amd64: /usr/include/X11/SM/SM.h
[09:13] <smartboyhw> tester56, install that^
[09:13] <yofel> you can use apt-file to look for files btw.
[09:13] <smartboyhw> Who invented such a strange package!?!?!/
[09:13] <yofel> which one?
[09:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, libsm-dev (the name)
[09:14] <yofel> uh, that's a bit unlucky short naming I guess :P
[09:14] <smartboyhw> I rather like libsessionmanagement:P
[09:14] <smartboyhw> tester56, is it going better now?
[09:15] <tester56> yeah ... it compiled :-))
[09:15] <smartboyhw> tester56, great
[09:16] <tester56> thanks for your great help!
[09:16] <smartboyhw> tester56, our pleasure:)
[09:17] <smartboyhw> That guy should really invent a README though
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Who makes software without README(s)?
[09:17] <yofel> developers ;P
[09:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, ;P
[09:17] <tester56> but he made a WHY DESIGN and COPYING
[09:18]  * smartboyhw is thinking should he wait for Riddell's response on {shlibs:Pre-Depends} or just upload with the symbols
[09:18] <smartboyhw> tester56, but he didn't even tell people HOWTO compile.
[09:19] <smartboyhw> That's stupid:P
[09:20] <tester56> hopefully my session starts again after installing :D
[09:20] <tester56> but it's a dev install anyway
[09:20] <smartboyhw> tester56, yeah, if it breaks, uh oh:)
[09:20] <tester56> no risk no fun :D
[09:21] <smartboyhw> yofel, how do you guys make new project-neon packages? (/me wants to play with sessionk:P)
[09:21] <tester56> would be great if it could be included in project neon ... would make things easier
[09:21] <tester56> make as an optional package
[09:22] <tester56> *maybe
[09:22] <yofel> well, that's trivial as it's mostly scripted anyway. Where's the repository again?
[09:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fdantti%2Fsessionk.git
[09:22]  * smartboyhw wants to run the script...
[09:23] <yofel> make Quintasan or apachelogger add you to ~neon
[09:24]  * smartboyhw waits then...
[09:24] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, apachelogger put me into ~neon please:)
[09:24] <tester56> no way back now ... is installled
[09:25] <tester56> i will logout now ... c ya and thanks!
[09:31] <tester56> here again ... it seems to be installed but seems to use the default way of starting
[09:31] <tester56> at least it uses the normal splash screen
[09:31] <tester56> which should not be the case
[09:32] <tester56> is there a way to "activate" sessionk?
[09:33] <yofel> it seems to have its own session name
[09:33] <yofel> KDE Plasma Workspace (sessionk)
[09:33] <tester56> oh ... did not notice that ...
[09:33] <tester56> gonna try now
[09:35] <tester56> not in my case ... at least lightdm gives me no option to choose
[09:35] <smartboyhw> tester56, have you run sudo make install after compiling?
[09:35] <tester56> yeah
[09:35] <smartboyhw> tester56, hm
[09:35] <yofel> wrong desktop file location probably
[09:35] <tester56> how to fix that?
[09:36] <yofel> try this: edit the sessionk paths in src/kde-plasma-sk.desktop from /usr to /usr/local/
[09:36] <yofel> then copy the file to /usr/share/xsessions/
[09:37] <tester56> Exec=/usr/bin/sessionk to Exec=/usr/local/sessionk ?
[09:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's that about the symbols?
[09:37] <yofel>  /usr/local/bin/sessionk
[09:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer said that libkfbapi doesn't have any symbols, and told me to add some.
[09:37] <yofel> not sure if that'll work but I hope so
[09:38] <smartboyhw> Meanwhile, libkfbapi says that for the Pre-Depends field ${misc:Pre-Depends} doesn't exist
[09:38] <tester56> yofel: no recompiling?
[09:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: sounds like good advice
[09:38] <yofel> no
[09:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, about the "Pre-Depends", what is the correct fix?
[09:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: umm, add it?
[09:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no, I mean, dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Pre-Depends field of package libkfbapi1: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Pre-Depends}
[09:40] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[09:40] <Riddell> ahem
[09:40] <smartboyhw> Sorry guys
[09:40] <smartboyhw> :P
[09:40] <Riddell> nice recovery :)
[09:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why does it have a pre-depends field?
[09:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[09:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well, you added it:P
[09:41] <Riddell> is it used?
[09:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to tell?
[09:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well look at it? what's in debian/control?
[09:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, there's the Pre-Depends field
[09:42] <smartboyhw> in libkfbapi
[09:42] <smartboyhw> 1
[09:43] <smartboyhw> with ${misc:Pre-Depends}
[09:43] <Riddell> and does it pre-depend on?
[09:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[09:43] <Riddell> just delete it then
[09:43] <tester56> damn ... it's blazing fast :-))) yeah
[09:44] <smartboyhw> tester56, great:)
[09:44] <smartboyhw> Now yofel I think since you have commit access you'll have to do it:P
[09:44] <smartboyhw> Change the /usr/local/ in the kde branch:)
[09:45] <yofel> not really, it's just only meant for system installs
[09:45] <yofel> i'll have to patch and rename that for neon too
[09:45] <tester56> things look a little bit different in the session though
[09:46] <tester56> the fonts look different, appmenu is not working etc.
[09:46] <smartboyhw> tester56, well come on, it's a new project!
[09:46] <tester56> i know ... i am quite happy someone got plasma starting that fast :D
[09:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, review time: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/libkfbapi_1.0-0ubuntu2.dsc (and also, how's the asking to Peter about simon?)
[09:51] <guest-VAsONf> tester56 here from guest session ... it seems some services are not started
[09:51] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: Riddell fwiw I recompiled akonadi-facebook locally and it compiles fine
[09:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, great. Review the one with symbols plz:) ^
[09:51] <shadeslayer> + against new libkfbapi
[09:52] <guest-VAsONf> when i am trying to configure the services it says: unable to contact kded which is quite logical considering the design of sessionk
[09:53] <smartboyhw> guest-VAsONf, well try contact the dev of sessionk will be better:)
[09:54] <guest-VAsONf> yeah ... he was in this channel yesterday
[09:54] <smartboyhw> guest-VAsONf, try in #kde-devel. Or maybe he just hasn't waken up yet.
[09:55] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: looks good to me
[09:56] <guest-VAsONf> but i have to say i am very happy ... this looks very promising to me
[09:57] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: btw I can confirm that splash-being-killed-before-plasma-is-started bug
[09:57]  * guest-VAsONf too
[09:58] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: I know that far
[09:58] <afiestas_> I want to know why Plasma is talling ksmserver "I'm ready" without being ready
[09:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: kde bug 311871
[09:59] <yofel> btw
[09:59] <yofel> erm no
[09:59] <yofel> kde bug 321695
[09:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, greato
[10:01] <guest-VAsONf> so is sessionk now going to be available in neon?
[10:01] <yofel> I'll add it later
[10:02] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw:  pedantic : * Remove Pre-Depends field for libkfbapi1. < the reason for that is missing, I'll add " since it is useless for Arch:all packages"
[10:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, alright. Sorry, thanks:)
[10:02] <shadeslayer> s/all/any/
[10:02] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "smartboyhw:  pedantic : * Remove Pre-Depends field for libkfbapi1. < the reason for that is missing, I'll add " since it is useless for Arch:any packages""
[10:03] <smartboyhw> alright:)
[10:03] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, UPLOAD!:P
[10:05] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:05] <shadeslayer> P: libkfbapi source: unversioned-copyright-format-uri http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5
[10:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^ what's the correct uri for copyright files now?
[10:07] <yofel> IIRC Format: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[10:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :O
[10:07] <yofel> (any of the merged packages would tell you that :P)
[10:07] <smartboyhw> ... ... ... ...
[10:07] <shadeslayer> thx
[10:07]  * smartboyhw didn't see that lintian warning:P
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Yeah, rekonq 2.3.2 in saucy-release!
[10:08] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: it's a pedantic warning
[10:09] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ?
[10:09] <yofel> you perfectionist...
[10:09] <shadeslayer> ^^ :P
[10:09] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Done
[10:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[10:09] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, oh.
[10:09] <yofel> oh yay
[10:09] <Quintasan> If you break anything I'm kicking you out
[10:09] <Quintasan> :P
[10:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, maybe I'll do sessionk then
[10:09] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ookkkoookkkookkk
[10:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: -> #project-neon and I'll guide you through
[10:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, there already
[10:11] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: [ubuntu/saucy-proposed] libkfbapi 1.0-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)
[10:11] <shadeslayer> thanks for the fixes :)
[10:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[10:12] <Quintasan> ONE MORE EXAM
[10:12] <Quintasan> FFS
[10:12] <Quintasan> I so don't want to learn
[10:13] <Quintasan> Hmm
[10:13]  * Quintasan heads off
[10:13] <Quintasan> I have a brilliant idea
[10:15] <shadeslayer> I have no motivation to package 4.10.5
[10:15] <shadeslayer> instead, I'll backport 4.10.90 to quantal :P
[10:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Can you make it so that Muon Software Updater does NOT show and Updates available notification when the window is active?
[10:17] <shadeslayer> any ideas how I can make bzr not try and use my ssh key to branch ?
[10:19] <shadeslayer> bleh
[10:19] <shadeslayer> just delete ~/.bazaar
[10:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: which boost version is required on quantal?
[10:20] <yofel> copy the raring script, it's 1.49 too
[10:21] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[10:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: and what's with libgpgme++2.install ?
[10:21] <yofel> you'll need that too
[10:22] <shadeslayer> the kdepimlibs-raring script
[10:22] <yofel> I think you'll need all quantal and raring scripts
[10:23] <shadeslayer> sure, but whats teh deal with libgpgme?
[10:23] <yofel> new version in saucy removed something
[10:23] <yofel> there's a debian bug report somewhere
[10:25] <shadeslayer> what fun
[10:25] <shadeslayer> I ran the backport script to backport from raring to quantal and it starts backporting 4.10.5
[10:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, srsly? Bp to precise first?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:28] <shadeslayer> okay, so I also need to manipulate other files
[10:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: er yeah, default is ninjas and stable ^^
[10:33] <yofel> there's options for that
[10:33] <shadeslayer> yep
[10:33] <shadeslayer> adjusted some things
[10:33] <shadeslayer> for eg backport list was outdated
[10:33] <shadeslayer> and also copied over kdesc-dev-latest from saucy
[10:33] <shadeslayer> erm, raring
[10:33] <shadeslayer> not saucy
[10:36] <yofel> brrrrrr
[10:37] <yofel> I forgot about backport list handling -.-
[10:37] <shadeslayer> ?
[10:37] <yofel> that needs to be seperated too
[10:37] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:37] <yofel> anyway, I'll fix that later
[10:38] <shadeslayer> any reason why we have separate backport lists for each release?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> guys my lokalize 4.10.90 depends on kdesdk-strigi-plugins 4.10.4
[10:48] <shadeslayer> O_O
[10:50] <tsdgeos> http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/786266/
[10:50] <shadeslayer> atleast on saucy it depends on kdesdk-strigi-plugins
[10:50] <shadeslayer> no versioning
[10:51] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: what does apt-cache policy kdesdk-strigi-plugins say?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> and how did you upgrade from 4.10.4 to 4.10.90?
[10:51] <tsdgeos> http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/786272/
[10:51] <tsdgeos> i dist-upgrade my saucy install
[10:51] <yofel>      4:4.10.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa1 0
[10:51] <yofel>        -500 https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
[10:51] <shadeslayer> ( not quite sure how kdesdk-strigi-plugins stayed at 4.10.4 while lokalize upgraded to 4.10.90 )
[10:52] <yofel> it's not in the archive it seems o.O
[10:52] <shadeslayer> eh
[10:52] <shadeslayer> probably in new
[10:52] <shadeslayer> yep
[10:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ kdesdk-strigi-analyzers are in new
[10:53] <shadeslayer> plz be doing your thing :)
[10:54] <tsdgeos> and it'd be cool if you guys could rebuild kdevelop in saucy so it doesn't depend on libkasten2controllers2/libkasten2okteta1controllers1 but in the new versions
[10:57] <shadeslayer> agateau: gwenview + svgz seems broken
[10:58] <shadeslayer> all I get is a spinny icon
[11:02]  * shadeslayer forwards knetattach icon patch
[11:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: Peter is bedhar
[11:04] <shadeslayer> he should join in a couple of seconds
[11:04] <bedahr> shadeslayer: what's up?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> bedahr: smartboyhw is packaging the new simon release and had some questions
[11:05] <bedahr> alright, great
[11:05] <shadeslayer> bedahr: I think it was about the missing data files you mentioned in kde-packagers
[11:05] <shadeslayer> AFAICT all files that make install installs are shipped
[11:07] <bedahr> no, they weren't in the earlier release
[11:07] <bedahr> what package of 0.4 are you looking at?
[11:08] <apachelogger> oh talking about simon ...
[11:08] <apachelogger> bedahr: I really think you have a tad too many tiny libs
[11:08] <apachelogger> yofel: new qt5 on its way to ppa.... supposedly this time I got my make syntax right :S
[11:08] <yofel> hehe
[11:09] <apachelogger> debhelper makes you forget make :@
[11:09] <shadeslayer> bedahr: oh and armhf is failing : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/139528689/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.simon_0.4.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:09] <shadeslayer> not sure if thats been fixed
[11:09] <apachelogger> /build/buildd/simon-0.4.0/sam/src/qwt_bars_item.cpp:222:55: error: no matching function for call to 'qBound(qreal, double&, qreal)'
[11:10] <bedahr> apachelogger: kinda agreed but there's not much I can merge without introducing additional dependencies on applications (e.g. simonwav is not in simonsound for Simond not to depend on ALSA)
[11:10] <apachelogger> bedahr: ^ note that qreal on ARM is a float and not a double so to fullfill a qreal argument you'll have to explicitly construct it and through that coerce the double into float
[11:11] <apachelogger> bedahr: too many applications then :P
[11:11] <bedahr> apachelogger: big software :)
[11:11] <apachelogger> I wouldn't know I inherited a code base of 30k line and my local copy now has some 5k :P
[11:12] <apachelogger> <- should work on gnome
[11:12] <apachelogger> yofel: we are in luck, builders were free, alraedy building
[11:12] <apachelogger> and it seems they got past the qtsync execution \o/
[11:14] <Peace-> apachelogger: yesterday i have installed kubuntu ... and then i got the silly bug unmanaged on network managerr
[11:14] <apachelogger> ?
[11:14] <apachelogger> afiestas_: ^
[11:15] <Peace-> apachelogger: sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[11:15] <Peace-> replace true instead of false ... fixed
[11:15] <apachelogger> eh
[11:15] <apachelogger> that's wrong I think
[11:15] <apachelogger> that's for ifupdown
[11:16] <apachelogger> which you ought not use with nm anyway
[11:16] <Peace-> apachelogger: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/nm_disabled.png
[11:16] <Peace-> apachelogger: very similar to that
[11:16] <Peace-> you can see your eth0
[11:16] <Peace-> but it says unmanaged
[11:17] <apachelogger> oh well, wait for afiestas_ to throw toughts at you :P
[11:17] <Peace-> lol
[11:17] <afiestas_> ?
[11:18] <Peace-> afiestas_: yesterday i have installed kubuntu , then i have lauched it but i have messed mbr so i have installed again grub
[11:18] <Peace-> after that so fresh system
[11:18] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[11:19] <apachelogger> ^ what if more than grub got bricked? :S
[11:19] <Peace-> apachelogger: i don't think so , i used dban on my hd
[11:19] <bedahr> shadeslayer: honestly don't know why this is using qreal's at all (not my code); it's not consistent anyway so at best nothing happens
[11:20] <apachelogger> Peace-: unless the system boots right away after install it is not considered successfully installed
[11:20] <Peace-> afiestas_: booting again i have used kernel recovery just tro try , so i have picked : resume to continue in the normal boot
[11:20] <apachelogger> unless the system boots right away after install it is not considered successfully installed
[11:20] <Peace-> afiestas_: and i got the kde desktoop , but eth0 was unmanaged
[11:20] <apachelogger> ....
[11:21] <apachelogger> ..................
[11:21] <Peace-> afiestas_: btw internet was working .....
[11:21] <apachelogger> recovery mode.
[11:21] <Peace-> apachelogger: so it's recovery mode?
[11:21] <apachelogger> so it's
[11:21] <apachelogger> unless the system boots right away after install it is not considered successfully installed
[11:21] <apachelogger> end of story
[11:22] <Peace-> apachelogger: well i have discussed this with my friends on irc
[11:22] <Peace-> apachelogger: after you have made a dban there are some problems with kubuntu
[11:22] <Peace-> it is installed but it doesn't boots
[11:22] <Peace-> i have tested this on 2 computer
[11:23] <Peace-> both was installed successfully but they did not boot
[11:23] <Peace-> i had to use a live cd and install grub
[11:23] <apachelogger> right, install problem then
[11:24] <shadeslayer> O_O
[11:24] <shadeslayer> bedahr: yeah, you were right
[11:24] <shadeslayer> metric ton of files that are not installed
[11:25] <Peace-> apachelogger: try to use dban in a hd and install kubuntu
[11:25] <apachelogger> no
[11:25] <apachelogger> Peace-: try reporting a bug
[11:25] <Peace-> :D
[11:25] <Peace-> ahhaha ok ok
[11:25] <bedahr> shadeslayer: this tiny patch should fix the compile on ARM: http://paste.kde.org/786284/
[11:27] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: ^
[11:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: attending Akademy right?
[11:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: muon SRU done yet?
[11:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/7UDZ2pRN what's with that?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> ej
[11:36] <shadeslayer> *eh
[11:36] <shadeslayer> vHanda suggested we SRU soprano 2.9.2 for raring IIRC
[11:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so do that? :P
[11:37] <shadeslayer> will do
[11:37] <Peace-> the name of netboot installer ?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> quantal KDE SC 4.10 going up
[11:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: accepted!
[11:43] <shadeslayer> hurray
[11:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you setup the status page for 4.10.90 for quantal?
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: muon discover was put on the CD right?
[11:46] <shadeslayer> I moved the card to done
[11:46] <Riddell> yeah it was
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but needs muon-discover --application firefox not to be broken to update firefox-installer
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you test it uses lots of CPU for you?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> I don't have muon-discover installed at the moment
[11:47] <shadeslayer> and apt is upgrading
[11:48] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 1196344 -> upstream
[11:48] <apachelogger> also I cannot reproduce this
[11:49] <apachelogger> also it would be easy to fix
[11:49] <apachelogger> also I fear that the problem is bigger than what the simple fix would entail
[11:50] <yofel> well, I'm not sure either as that only happens only on me eeePC
[11:50]  * apachelogger can't find screenGeometryChanged-.-
[11:51] <apachelogger> yofel: could be a qt thing FWIW
[11:51] <apachelogger> oh
[11:51] <apachelogger> wrong workspace branch
[11:51] <apachelogger> trololo
[11:52] <apachelogger> found it
[11:52] <apachelogger> screenGeometryChanged is the root of the problem and it was only introduced in .11
[11:55] <apachelogger> righ then
[11:55] <apachelogger> yofel: setStage was not called in .10 when creating a new splashwindow
[11:55] <apachelogger> also I think it needs to be called after show() anyway
[11:55] <apachelogger> yofel: regardless please close bug and file upstream :P
[12:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, wut?
[12:25] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: seems like alot of data files are not installed
[12:26] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I suggest making a simon-data package
[12:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "Discuss Mir situation with other flavors"
[12:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: move that to done?
[12:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep please
[12:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: doing simon?  I think get ridof -l10n and change it to a -data
[12:28] <agateau> shadeslayer: indeed svgz is broken. sad consolation: it was already broken in 4.10, so it's not a regression :/
[12:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: about-kubuntu, is that done ? do we want to ship that in saucy?
[12:28] <apachelogger> no
[12:28] <shadeslayer> agateau: oh
[12:28] <apachelogger> needs string review
[12:28] <apachelogger> string freeze
[12:28] <apachelogger> release
[12:28] <agateau> shadeslayer: doesn't mean it should not be fixed :)
[12:28] <shadeslayer> agateau: are you sure it was broken in 4.10 ?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> because IIRC I opened a svgz in 4.10
[12:29] <apachelogger> also os-release support
[12:29] <apachelogger> oh well, I guess that is not blocking though
[12:29] <agateau> shadeslayer: just tried it with raring Gwenview
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[12:29] <shadeslayer> agateau: want me to file a bug?
[12:30] <agateau> shadeslayer: yes, although it might have been reported already
[12:30]  * agateau sucks at bug triaging
[12:30] <agateau> but having a bug report makes me feel better when I commit stuff close to release day :)
[12:31] <shadeslayer> I don't see one https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=695106&short_desc=svgz&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&component=general&component=importer&product=gwenview
[12:31] <agateau> shadeslayer: ok, go ahead then
[12:31] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1180067] No icons on buttons @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180067 (by GamePad64)
[12:31] <shadeslayer> what's 4.11 pre @_@
[12:32] <agateau> it's 4.11 before 4.11.0
[12:33] <agateau> two release from now it is better to have "4.11 pre" than master
[12:34] <agateau> oh, but beta2 is out
[12:34] <agateau> should add a new version
[12:34]  * agateau does it
[12:34] <shadeslayer> please do, will report it against tjhat
[12:34] <agateau> shadeslayer: done
[12:37] <shadeslayer> thx
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer laterss plez
[12:44] <smartboyhw> I need to do a classroom session...
[12:45] <shadeslayer> agateau: kde bug 321825
[12:45] <agateau> shadeslayer: thanks
[12:45] <shadeslayer> yw
[12:48] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/0jJMMXm4
[12:48] <apachelogger> observation for next vuds
[12:48] <apachelogger> don't say that we need to define a deadline but define one :P
[12:48] <shadeslayer> why I keep finding bugs in our software
[12:48] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/e5fgex5.png
[12:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: Speaking of deadlines: when can I have my list of packages we should ask to get added to the KDE MRE?
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I really like this
[12:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: though IMHO we should put it on ~/Desktop
[12:50] <shadeslayer> ( put a .desktop file in ~/Desktop )
[12:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: MRE?
[12:50] <apachelogger> ah
[12:50] <apachelogger> yes
[12:51] <shadeslayer> MRE?
[12:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/e5fgex5.png < do you have a bug against that?
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Guys, my classroom session is coming up in 7 minutes!
[12:54] <shadeslayer> best of luck
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you upload p-n5-qt5 again?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you're going to have a bad time :>
[12:55] <shadeslayer> I spammed the builders with KDE for Quantal
[12:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yes!
[12:55] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: not to my knowledge
[12:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: building already
[12:57] <apachelogger> I was fast0r
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: amd64
[12:57] <shadeslayer> starts in 55 minutes
[12:57] <shadeslayer> muwahahaha
[12:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: k filing
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> thx
[12:58] <apachelogger> ehm
[12:58] <apachelogger> wtf jus thappened
[12:58] <apachelogger> I was watching the amd64 build
[12:58] <apachelogger> ....
[12:59] <apachelogger> it started at the same time as i386
[12:59] <apachelogger> now it's queued again
[12:59] <apachelogger> dafuq
[12:59] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha
[13:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[13:08] <shadeslayer> pong
[13:08] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/786320/
[13:08] <apachelogger> list complete enough?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> what is MRE ?
[13:09] <apachelogger> standing SRU exception I guess
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[13:09] <shadeslayer> give me a couple of minutes
[13:09] <apachelogger> do we trust d_ed enough to put lightdm-kde on the list? :P
[13:09] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yes :)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kio-mtp
[13:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what do you really like?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hm?
[13:10] <apachelogger> last I checked kio-tmp was a snapshot and had incomplete i18n
[13:10] <apachelogger> on that note
[13:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you fix the snapshot yet?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not yet
[13:10] <apachelogger> ..
[13:11] <apachelogger> not going on the list then
[13:11] <apachelogger> oh, calligra I suppose
[13:11] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:12] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/786332/
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qtwebkit
[13:13] <apachelogger> hmmm
[13:13] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[13:13] <shadeslayer> ktp
[13:13] <apachelogger> I think qt5 build is failing
[13:13] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/4760960
[13:13] <apachelogger> it's mighty stuck here
[13:13] <apachelogger> I am not sure why
[13:13] <apachelogger> other than qtmultimedia being obvious crap
[13:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not sure qt is in the list so I doubt qtwebkit should be in the list TBH
[13:14] <shadeslayer> okay, just saying that updating rekonq is not much help if qtwebkit is at fault
[13:15] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: kde bug 321827
[13:15] <apachelogger> * (plasma-widget-facebook)  # more social from the start
[13:15] <apachelogger> is that even working still?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:15] <apachelogger> seems a bit pointless
[13:16] <apachelogger> 3000 widgets by default
[13:16] <apachelogger> and a browser that doesn't make it too easy to find stuff
[13:16] <apachelogger> with 3000 widgets anyway
[13:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/786338/ what we have so far, qt/qtwebkit may be worth thinkiing about, and maybe Riddell has some candidates as well
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we can fix kio-mtp translation mess though
[13:18] <soee> i se some KDE update here on my work machine, the versions upgrade is from what i see: 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2 => 4:4.10.04~0ubuntu0.1
[13:18] <apachelogger> it's still a snapshot
[13:18] <apachelogger> so we are the releasing party
[13:19] <apachelogger> which defeats the purpose IMO
[13:19] <soee> what is this update exactly ?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> soee: no difference
[13:19] <shadeslayer> soee: just an upgrade from the PPA to the archive version
[13:19] <apachelogger> i.e. the assumption is that upstream does loads of release QA and is trustworthy enough to not break stuff etc.
[13:19] <soee> shadeslayer, should i do this upgrade ?
[13:19] <apachelogger> but with upstream != releaser that assumption doesn't hold anymore
[13:20] <shadeslayer> soee: I don't see why not
[13:20] <apachelogger> so IMO snapshots generally shouldn't get an exception, at least not if all we ever had in the archive was a snapshot
[13:21] <apachelogger> :@
[13:21] <apachelogger> qt5 stuck
[13:21] <shadeslayer> hum
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *giggle*
[13:21] <shadeslayer> you probably made it oom
[13:21] <apachelogger> fing qtmultimedia
[13:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's time to drop akonadi-facebook from the archive btw
[13:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well it happened to me, I thought it was just some odd problem with my qmake hacks and whatnot
[13:22] <shadeslayer> kdepim-runtime 4.11 has akonadi-facebook baked in
[13:22] <apachelogger> that explains why amd64 aborted
[13:22] <shadeslayer> does qmake + neon even work?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, probabl
[13:22] <shadeslayer> *probably
[13:23] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/01/plasma-desktoppg2237.png
[13:23] <apachelogger> cancel build, cancel
[13:23] <apachelogger> :S
[13:23] <apachelogger> win
[13:26] <soee> i see this packages were held: apport-kde kdelibs5-plugins
[13:27] <soee> is it normal thing ?
[13:28] <yofel> what does dist-upgrade tell you?
[13:32] <soee> yofel, http://pastebin.com/r1Nv6rhZ
[13:33] <soee> the second line shows packages that were hold
[13:39] <yofel> that doesn't tell me why though :S
[13:39] <yofel> what does aptitude full-upgrade say?
[13:43] <soee> yofel, http://pastebin.com/u27VxtGf
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:45] <apachelogger> soee: please always put LANG=C in front of commands you want to paste
[13:46] <apachelogger> I am not sure yofel speaks polish ^^
[13:46] <yofel> well, that's easy enough to understand
[13:46] <yofel> and makes no sense
[13:47] <shadeslayer> review plz : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5816794/
[13:47] <yofel> apport-kde looks like you have raring-proposed on and there's archive skew
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ( I've also adjusted the install files
[13:47] <shadeslayer> )
[13:47] <shadeslayer> actually
[13:47] <shadeslayer> just a sec
[13:47] <soee> apachelogger, LANG=C changes nothing for me
[13:48] <agateau> LANG=en_US is the new LANG=C
[13:48] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/786350/
[13:48] <shadeslayer> plz review http://paste.ubuntu.com/5816796/
[13:49] <apachelogger> agateau: more writing
[13:50] <soee> ihere you go: http://pastebin.com/mySg9VAv
[13:50] <agateau> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/786356/
[13:50] <agateau> apachelogger: I don't know why it behaves that way here
[13:51] <apachelogger> other env variables
[13:51] <apachelogger> I never understood all the vars
[13:51] <agateau> not sure someone ever did :)
[13:52] <agateau> *anyone
[13:52] <apachelogger> probably not
[13:52] <apachelogger> also that behavior doesn't make sense either
[13:52] <apachelogger> LANG=C ought to force the language embedded in the binary
[13:52] <apachelogger> i.e. the original strings
[13:52] <apachelogger> if that is french then the output will be french
[13:52] <apachelogger> it just happens to be en_US so it is roughy equal to LANG=en_US
[13:53] <apachelogger> so assuming ls doesn't have native french strings the behavior is weird :S
[13:54] <agateau> heh, because of course, it should!
[13:54] <shadeslayer> okay, uploading
[13:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no one reviewed yet
[13:55] <shadeslayer> too late
[13:55] <shadeslayer> seemed fine to me :P
[13:55] <apachelogger> why not make a transitional package?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> doesn't apt take into account packages removed from the archive?
[13:56] <apachelogger> it's safer with a transitional package
[13:57] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:57] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:01] <shadeslayer> will be back in a bit
[14:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: transitioning is going to be a bit tricky I think
[14:20] <apachelogger> y?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> because the akonadi-facebook package ships only one binary
[14:21] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:21] <shadeslayer> I could add the transitional binary to kdepim-runtime
[14:21] <shadeslayer> and break/replace on akonadi-facebook < 4.10.90
[14:22] <apachelogger> that's what one usually does :P
[14:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
[14:25] <apachelogger> ah nice, qmake is recursively invoking itself
[14:25] <apachelogger> how nice is that
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5816885/ < review plz
[14:29] <apachelogger> add a comment about when to remove it please
[14:29] <apachelogger> and put it at the very end
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[14:29] <shadeslayer> at the very end of what?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:29] <shadeslayer> control file?
[14:29] <apachelogger> control
[14:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: note about removal in changelog and control file?
[14:30] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/view/head:/debian/control#L73
[14:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: control
[14:30] <apachelogger> see that link
[14:30] <shadeslayer> because noone reads the flipping changelog
[14:30] <shadeslayer> and people forget
[14:31] <apachelogger> that's why :P
[14:31] <Riddell> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch
[14:32] <shadeslayer> so, akonadi-facebook was last shipped in 13.04, which is supported till Jan 2014
[14:32] <shadeslayer> so can be removed in 14.04?
[14:32] <apachelogger> depends on what is the longest supported release it was in
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I don't see a comments section?>
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah 14.04 it seems
[14:33] <shadeslayer> it first appeared in Quantal
[14:33] <shadeslayer> so yeah 14.04
[14:34] <apachelogger> Sput: ping
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi-facebook
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's gone!
[14:39] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, check also my kdesdk removal bug (subscribed ~ubuntu-archive already)
[14:39]  * smartboyhw forgot the bug number though
[14:39]  * shadeslayer is waiting for his upload with the transitional package to land
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: http://paste.kde.org/786380/ ?
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh wait, I only asked for cvsservice and kdesdk-dbg
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Will removing these packages also remove it's 4.10.90 version?
[14:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it means thereis no 4.10.90 version
[14:49] <Riddell> well, removed
[14:49] <apachelogger> stuck in new?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, alright then
[14:49] <apachelogger> mhhhh
[14:50] <apachelogger> qt5 builds without webkit and multimedia \o/
[14:50] <smartboyhw> \o.
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hah
[14:52] <apachelogger> question is of course why it feels like recursively invoking itself when building webkit and why objdump on multimedia craps out
[14:53] <apachelogger> oh
[14:53] <apachelogger> new moby album
[14:53] <apachelogger> http://www.moby.com/innocents
[15:01] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: ping
[15:08] <apachelogger> oh boy, cleaning qt builds takes forever
[15:08] <apachelogger> 5 times faster to rm -rf and start over -.-
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: akonadi-facebook in binary new 0.o
[15:22] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, pong
[15:22] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: you are on the kernel team, surely you'll take care of bug 1196556 for me :P
[15:23] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:23] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I don't even know why the HELL I was accepted.
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Srsly.
[15:23] <smartboyhw> I guess I should work more on X though now.
[15:23] <apachelogger> sure, thanks for handling the bug.
[15:23] <apachelogger> :P
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Since I now know much about packaging...
[15:23]  * smartboyhw dismisses apachelogger's request.
[15:24] <apachelogger> :O
[15:24] <apachelogger> how rude
[15:24] <shadeslayer> humbug
[15:25] <shadeslayer> need attica
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Bah! Humbug
[15:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have another script to backport the packages like akonadi and attica and what not
[15:26] <yofel> nope, I did those by hand so far
[15:26] <shadeslayer> do you have a list?
[15:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: maybe we should just add them to the backport list?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> probably
[15:26]  * yofel checks if the version parsing can do that
[15:27] <yofel> yeah it can, as long as there's no ~ in the upstream version
[15:28] <apachelogger> I guess the parser is broken then? :P
[15:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: trat, no it can't
[15:29] <yofel> *drat
[15:29] <apachelogger> upstreamversion = version.split("-")[0] :P
[15:30] <smartboyhw> lol lol lol lol
[15:31] <yofel> the script is neither designed to work with different upstream versions at the same time, nor to pull from different locations at the same time
[15:31] <apachelogger> that's because it's not atomic enough
[15:31] <apachelogger> we need more atomic scripts :P
[15:31] <apachelogger> builder is very atomic :P
[15:31] <apachelogger> it's so atomic you can even inject arbitary build steps via recipes :P
[15:32] <yofel> well, true. I went without multiple layers of abstraction :P
[15:32] <Sput> apachelogger: pong
[15:33] <apachelogger> Sput: can I get a hotfix for quassel 'hiding' buffers on ctrl+w
[15:33] <apachelogger> i.e. if you hit ^W the buffer disappears from the all buffers list, but it really is still there, just not shown
[15:33] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, for the kernel bug, just kindly ask in #ubuntu-kernel...
[15:33]  * yofel should really rewrite that in python sometime
[15:33] <Sput> apachelogger: seems like we have that shortcut already, but it doesn't seem to do anything here
[15:33] <yofel> bash it hitting it's limits while staying readable
[15:33] <apachelogger> yofel: ruby it :P
[15:34] <smartboyhw> I mean, kernels are the only thing that Kubuntu won't complain at Canonical:P
[15:34]  * yofel knows no ruby
[15:34] <apachelogger> perfect then?
[15:34] <apachelogger> Sput: curious
[15:34] <apachelogger> ah
[15:34] <apachelogger> nevermind then I am happy already :P
[15:34] <apachelogger> can just unset the shortcut
[15:34] <Sput> apachelogger: actually, it just worked for me
[15:35] <apachelogger> well I do not want it do anything on ^W
[15:35] <Sput> apachelogger: aaaah, you *don't* want to have that functionality :)
[15:35] <apachelogger> and it doesn't do what it is supposed to do anyway
[15:35] <apachelogger> because it's not parting
[15:35] <Sput> it's temp-hiding the buffer
[15:35] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:35] <apachelogger> Sput: that's weird
[15:35] <apachelogger> if at least it were parting :P
[15:35] <Sput> which is what most people want for "closing" queries, they should pop up if someone speaks again
[15:35] <apachelogger> plus sorting gets broken if you use it
[15:35] <Sput> that it does indeed
[15:36] <apachelogger> hit ^W then join again so it gets shown again
[15:36] <apachelogger> now the buffer is at the bottom of the list
[15:36] <apachelogger> regardless of setting
[15:36] <shadeslayer> it's been broken like that for quite a while
[15:36] <apachelogger> I guess for queries it makes sense
[15:36] <apachelogger> for channels it just confuses the hell out of me
[15:36] <shadeslayer> the most fun part is ctrl+a then hitting delete
[15:36] <shadeslayer> hides all the buffers
[15:37] <apachelogger> well, that's if you focus the buffer list, no?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> and I've hit that quite some time when doing ctrl+a in the text edit and suddenly the focus jumps to my channel list
[15:37] <apachelogger> ^W works if you are in the input field, which is why it constantly happens to me ^^
[15:37] <shadeslayer> *times even
[15:37]  * apachelogger does a final qt5 build and then heads out for today
[15:38] <apachelogger> I suspect some of the adidtional configure args or env variables cause the trouble with qtwebkit/qtmultimedia
[15:38]  * shadeslayer is finishing up firefox and then heading out
[15:38] <apachelogger> or not
[15:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmph, using the same args as the archive package?
[15:38] <apachelogger> qtwebkit gets stuck "Checking for fontconfig..."
[15:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[15:39] <apachelogger> qt4 neon
[15:39]  * Sput is finishing an emerge @smart-live-rebuild and then heading out
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then why not use the args from archive package
[15:39] <apachelogger> hm, so the fontconfig thing is what causes the qmake recursion
[15:39] <shadeslayer> these silly gentoo and slackware users I tell you :P
[15:39] <apachelogger> oi
[15:39] <apachelogger> leave slackware alone you noob
[15:39] <apachelogger> there is no building in slackware
[15:40] <apachelogger> slackware is a binary distro
[15:40] <shadeslayer> fine, gentoo users
[15:42] <Sput> well, easiest way to get KDE from Git as system-wide installation :>
[15:43] <shadeslayer> and here I thought that was neon :>
[15:44] <shadeslayer> anyway, done for the day
[15:44] <shadeslayer> time to dinner
[15:44] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[15:44]  * apachelogger throws stones at qtwebkit
[16:42] <akoma1s> Hi all, I asked in #kubuntu earlier with not much success, here is my second try: Is LibreOffice's global menu in Kubuntu Raring working for anyone?
[18:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  I would say no to Qt, as I've seen enough regressions in point releases to be scared.  I'd say yes to QtWebKit, because regression issues not withstanding, we don't have any other way to deal with the huge piles of open CVEs.
[18:02] <ScottK> akoma1s: Not for me.
[18:02] <ScottK> I think they are using a different version of the protocol that KDE doesn't support yet.
[19:49] <Quintasan> dantti_laptop: Nice work on sessionk. Thought from what I managed to gather not much chances of getting systemd in Ubuntu :P
[20:36] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch
[20:38] <ahoneybun> yo jono
[20:39] <jono> hey ahoneybun
[20:39] <ahoneybun> jono: how are you?
[20:39] <jono> ahoneybun, great thanks, you?
[20:39] <ahoneybun> tired but good
[20:40] <ahoneybun> awesome job getting 4.10.4 up for us guys!
[20:41] <ahoneybun> jono: are you in all the buntu channel's?
[20:41] <jono> ahoneybun, yes, a lot of them
[20:41] <ahoneybun> jono: what is your option of Mir?
[20:42] <jono> ahoneybun, my opinion?
[20:42] <ahoneybun> yea never was good at spelling lol
[20:42] <ahoneybun> yet I'm working on the Docs lol
[20:44] <jono> ahoneybun, I think Mir is good - diversity is always a good thing in Free Software, and the Mir team have done a good job being open since the announcement
[20:44] <jono> and I just tested Mir in 13.10 and it works pretty well
[20:44] <ahoneybun> I just think it is weird for us to hear nothing about Mir till just a few months ago
[20:45] <yofel> well, on my eeePC XMir does kinda, somewhat run a kubuntu-session. more or less. Need to do more debugging if I can
[20:45] <yofel> diversity is only good though if we see WaylandMir and MirWayland layers
[20:46] <jono> ahoneybun, well, I didn't have a say in when it was announced
[20:46] <yofel> I don't want to have the gtk/qt themeing mess in kde and gnome again on a worse scale
[20:46] <jono> or more, it wasn't my decision to make
[20:46] <ahoneybun> jono: not saying it is your fault at all
[20:47] <popey> #blamejono
[20:47] <ahoneybun> I'm just saying that the development was not as open as I think it should have been
[20:47] <yofel> #blamejono only because he's a the front and all bullets hit him
[20:47] <jono> popey, :-)
[20:48] <jono> ahoneybun, well, there is always someone who feels that way :-)
[20:48] <jono> ahoneybun, I wish it could have been announced earlier, but it is what it is
[20:49] <jono> I actually think Mir could be good for Kubuntu
[20:49] <ahoneybun> jono: I just hope we can get all the technolgies to work together later on
[20:49] <jono> XMir already works pretty well, and XMir and Mir will be well supported
[20:49] <ahoneybun> like how yofelsaid
[20:49] <jono> ahoneybun, agreed
[20:49] <jono> yofel, always taking the bullets :-)
[20:50] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey great job on the software page
[20:50] <ahoneybun> jono: I don't know if I should back Wayland or Mir. Wayland's development seems slow but great things come in time
[20:51] <jono> ahoneybun, I think you should back them both
[20:51] <jono> both are great projects
[20:51] <yofel> slow is subjective here. If wayland would't have existed in an experimental project, Mir would've come far later
[20:52] <jono> yofel, agreed, but if Mir wasn't happening, I don't think Wayland would have seen some of the increased work recently
[20:52] <jono> everything is relative
[20:52] <yofel> it's fine going your own ways, just please don't offer a "somewhat working compatibility layer" and belive everyone will happyily use it
[20:52] <yofel> yeah, true
[20:52] <ahoneybun> yea but I don't like how Mir is dividing us up
[20:53] <yofel> this was a marketing mess. If we're talking about division, then surfaceflinger from google already divided linux
[20:53] <yofel> so it's not like canonical does something completely new and strange
[20:53] <jono> yofel, I never said I expect everyone to use it, and the compatibility layer, to be fair, is X
[20:53] <jono> Mir is simply providing another alternative
[20:54] <jono> in the same way Kubuntu provides an alternative to Ubuntu
[20:54] <jono> I personally think Mir will be good overall, it will be fast and efficient and ship soon
[20:54] <jono> but I understand how upstream is still assessing things
[20:55] <ahoneybun> jono: tbh if Ubuntu did not use compiz and Unity was something other then a addon to compiz I think it would be better
[20:55] <jono> ahoneybun, how is Unity using compiz an issue?
[20:55] <jono> it is simply a rendering framework
[20:55] <ahoneybun> jono: if it can bring that and a great layer for Kubutu and other buntu's to use then I will support Mir
[20:56]  * ahoneybun dislikes Compiz
[20:56] <jono> ahoneybun, why?
[20:56] <ahoneybun> slow, buggly
[20:56] <yofel> uhm, no, not really
[20:56] <jono> ahoneybun, we are not fans of compiz either, hence Mir
[20:56] <yofel> I already had compiz working better on my netbook than kwin in the past
[20:56] <ahoneybun> to me it is
[20:57] <ahoneybun> jono: what will Mir do to compiz?
[20:57] <yofel> I don't have  a current opinion as that was like 4 years ago
[20:58] <jono> ahoneybun, compiz won't be used with Mir
[20:58] <jono> there will be no more compiz in the Ubuntu stack
[20:58] <ahoneybun> jono: what window manager?
[20:58] <jono> for 13.10 it will be Unity + Compiz + Mir
[20:59] <jono> in 14.04 it will be Unity + Mir
[20:59] <jono> ahoneybun, Unity is a window manager
[20:59] <ahoneybun> wait...
[21:00] <ahoneybun> compiz is a windows manager and unity is add-on to it
[21:00] <ahoneybun> no?
[21:01] <yofel> jono: OT question: is there any chance that when asking one could rename the mir process from unity-system-compositor to something else?
[21:01] <yofel> I don't care much about the software I'm using, but if in the end everyone - not only unity - is *supposed* to use it then that's more than a bit misnamed
[21:02] <jono> ahoneybun, right, but Unity 8 is a totally different codebase to Unity 7
[21:02] <jono> there will be no more compiz
[21:02] <ahoneybun> jono: really? all new? not a add-on anymore?
[21:02] <jono> yofel, I thought the same thing, can you file a bug against Mir in Launchpad for that?
[21:02] <jono> ahoneybun, yes!
[21:02] <ahoneybun> jono: that is amazing news to me
[21:02] <yofel> will do
[21:03] <jono> ahoneybun, Unity 8 is a converged Unity, so when it runs on the phone you get the phone UI, and when it runs on Desktop you get the Desktop UI
[21:03] <jono> ahoneybun, written in Qt/QML and running on Mir
[21:03] <jono> thanks yofel, throw me a link when done
[21:03] <ahoneybun> jono: yes I was like OMG when I heard Qt.
[21:03] <ahoneybun> I was like finally
[21:04] <jono> ahoneybun, so according to your view earlier, you should be now supportive of Mir :-)
[21:05] <ahoneybun> jono: once you have a great layer with WaylandMir for the other buntu's, only then ;)
[21:06] <ahoneybun> jono: are you going to use Qt apps now or have a Qt overlay over the GTK apps Ubuntu uses
[21:06] <jono> ahoneybun, we will focus on apps using our SDK
[21:07] <jono> which is QML
[21:07] <jono> gotta run, meeting
[21:07] <ahoneybun> see yea
[23:31] <ahoneybun> yofel: think I could use my MacBook as a building machine?
[23:32] <yofel> well, anything really as long as it's running ubuntu
[23:32] <yofel> or an ubuntu VM
[23:35] <ahoneybun> it has Kubuntu on it
[23:35]  * ahoneybun is thinking of trying a 13.10 alpha on it
[23:35] <ahoneybun> ubuntu