[12:24] <jemark> TJ-: vim
[12:24] <bibi234> TJ- zammit : well this looks like the tool! thanks I'll check this out
[12:24] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje have you say me something??? it has happened another time the same problem and it has blocked
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> djtorr3: did you setup ubuntu with an internet connection enabled?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: plz check your 'additional drivers' section to see if any other drivers list
[12:24] <zammit> TJ-, bibi234 ...i wonder how crontab does it? ...wait no, it uses a temp file
[12:25] <djtorr3> lotuspsychje, yes I did
[12:25] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje yes,
[12:25] <djtorr3> lotuspsychje, i checked additional drivers but saw nothing in there, said no additional available
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> djtorr3: ok try the nvidia-current to test
[12:25] <djtorr3> ubottu, i'm about to try nvidia-current again.  i tried it once and had to remove everything because after login it was just showing a black screen
[12:25] <TJ-> djtorr3: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" please?
[12:25] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje yes, I have the privative drivers of ATI but this ones, doesn't work well
[12:26] <djtorr3> TJ-, i'm on here on a separate machine atm
[12:26] <pepe221_> lotuspsychje I see all pixelated, and the pc doesn't turn on well
[12:26] <djtorr3> TJ-, what specifically were you looking for out of lspci -nn?
[12:27] <sitown> What is the best alternative to Unity, if you want a less buggy interface? Dont need 3d and animations.
[12:27] <TJ-> djtorr3: The [vendor:device] ID
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: you updated your system?
[12:29] <SaberX01> TJ-, zammit I didn't know about this vipe app .. that's pretty slick .. have several scripts that could be much simpler with that.
[12:29] <pepe221_> yes, i'm on ubuntu 13.10
[12:30] <djtorr3> TJ-, not sure if this is it, i think you are looking for [8086:0a16] ?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: did your card work better on other ubuntu versions?
[12:30] <pepe221_> no, allways happens the same
[12:30] <djtorr3> TJ-, thats for an integrated graphics controller
[12:30] <TJ-> djtorr3: No... I need the ID of the nvidia device. try "lspci -nn  | grep VGA"
[12:30] <pepe221_> i'm using ubunutu since 12.4
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: and 12.04 didnt run your card smoothly?
[12:31] <TJ-> djtorr3: I thought the issue was with the nvidia device? If its an optimus system with dual GPUs you'll need a recent nvidia driver, or the bumblebee driver
[12:31] <pepe221_> it happend the same
[12:31] <djtorr3> TJ-,  line says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 09)
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> pepe221_: maybe try a nomodeset or xubuntu/lubuntu
[12:32] <pepe221_> I'm searching on google and people says that is a problem with the kernel
[12:32] <pepe221_> I need an old kernel
[12:33] <pepe221_> that supports  an AGP card
[12:33] <pepe221_> with open source drivers
[12:34] <SaberX01> Older kernel goign to mean older distro.
[12:34] <SaberX01> Or allot of custom work.
[12:35] <TJ-> djtorr3: As the system has two different GPUs, that's an Nvidia Optimus technology, so you need to focus on that issue. It isn't a simple video-driver issue, you'll probably need to look at the Bumblebee driver which is the open-source GPU-switcher
[12:35] <jemark> pepe221_: what is your pc?
[12:35] <TJ-> pepe221_: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" please?
[12:35] <pepe221_> jemark a desktop pc
[12:35] <djtorr3> TJ-, so i'd look at installing bumblebee first then the nvidia drivers?
[12:36] <sitown> sitdown
[12:36] <SaberX01> pepe221_, what year roughly?
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> jemark:  ati 3850 agp on ubuntu 13.10
[12:36] <sitown> Sorry, wrong place i wrote
[12:36] <pepe221_> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/6651005/
[12:36] <TJ-> djtorr3: I can't tell you; I've not dabbled with Optimus personally, but I have seen experts in here talking about it. It appears it can be a pain! I read that recent nvidia drivers support it (I use nvidia 331 from the Xorg Edgers PPA, for example, which is supposed to)
[12:37] <win5hit> hmmm, I've got a question that might be "hard" to answer... I've a ubuntu 13.10 server running as virtual machine on hyper-v, and I've enabled dynamic memory. the guest tells the host that it currently needs 589MB of RAM. but 'top' tells me: KiB Mem:    673072 total,   312684 used,   360388 free,    16592 buffers
[12:37] <pepe221_> SaberX01 8-9 years approx
[12:37] <djtorr3> TJ-, as i'm reading about it it looks like ubuntu itself supports it a little better on the newer versions too, appreciate the help, here's to a night of debugging i guess
[12:38] <Daekdroom> win5hit, do you have zRAM enabled in the guest?
[12:38] <TJ-> djtorr3: Good luck :)
[12:38] <win5hit> Daekdroom: let me google that... never heard before :)
[12:38] <nashant> Hi guys, I've got a problem. Just bought a new laptop and the touchpad doesn't have separate buttons, they're under the bottom corners. The issue is that if I touch these areas it moves the pointer. I've tried using synclient AreaBottomEdge, but that then disables the whole touchpad if I have my thumb on the dead area. Anyone know of a solution?
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> !zram | win5hit
[12:39] <TJ-> pepe221_: You could be suffering bug #574884
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: can that be used on a desktop with ssd aswell?
[12:39] <Daekdroom> win5hit, you can find out whether it's enabled by running "dmesg | grep zram". If it is enabled, you'll see about 6 or 7 lines and one of them is something like "zram: Created 4 device(s) ..."
[12:39] <Daekdroom> lotuspsychje, yes
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: what are the advantages of this?
[12:40] <pepe221_> TJ- and how could I fix it?
[12:40] <win5hit> Daekdroom: no zram enabled
[12:40] <Daekdroom> lotuspsychje, less paging, so in the case of SSD it means less spent writing cycles and longer drive life. Also, I'd guess better performance in situations the system is nearly out of free RAM.
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: nice hint mate tnx!
[12:41] <TJ-> pepe221_: search for and read the comments in bugs related to the RV670 and test suggested work-arounds or fixes
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: you wouldnt know any other gui ssd tweak tools perhaps?
[12:41] <win5hit> Daekdroom: so you are telling me that i want zram?
[12:41] <Daekdroom> lotuspsychje, no, I don't.
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> Daekdroom: ok tnx anyway
[12:41] <TJ-> pepe221_: compare your system's configuration to those described in bug reports to identify if your system is very similar in configuration to that reported in the bug
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate!
[12:42] <Daekdroom> win5hit, nope, I was trying to figure out why the values were different.
[12:42] <pepe221_> TJ- my kernel is an old kernel??
[12:42] <win5hit> Daekdroom: ok :)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[12:43] <pepe221_> 3.2.0-57-generic
[12:43] <TJ-> pepe221_: Have you tested the most recent liveCD image (for 13.10) to see if the problem still exists there?
[12:44] <win5hit> Daekdroom: so from the values reported by top i would say the system currently uses 312MB RAM, right?
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: he says he got issues on all ubuntu versions with that card
[12:45] <Daekdroom> win5hit, 305MB
[12:45] <win5hit> Daekdroom: ah, devided by 1024? i was lazy... :)
[12:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Yeah, but trying to get specifics. pepe221_ Have you seen/tested the solution at http://askubuntu.com/questions/316490/fixed-radeon-hd-3870-driver-installation-issue-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise
[12:49] <pepe221> TJ- have you say me something, I had to reboot
[12:49] <pepe221> :S
[12:50] <TJ-> pepe221: Have you seen/tested the solution at http://askubuntu.com/questions/316490/fixed-radeon-hd-3870-driver-installation-issue-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise
[12:52] <pepe221> TJ- i'm going to try it
[12:56] <yick2> is there a  zoom pop up like this in FM? http://postimg.org/image/lrch699mn/ is this only for desktop?
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> what's FM?
[12:57] <yick2> thunar
[12:57] <yick2> or any other
[12:57] <k1l> FileManager
[13:01] <Alex4o> hi
[13:01] <Alex4o> error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
[13:01] <Alex4o> i have that problem
[13:01] <Alex4o> please help
[13:02] <Rory> !grub | Alex4o
[13:04] <SaberX01> Alex4o, Similar Problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found
[13:04] <Alex4o> how to run terminal ?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Alex4o, alt+f2 , terminal
[13:09] <Alex4o> thanx a lot guys
[13:11] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, if you at the grub rescue >  .. ..  can you get to a console / terminal ?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, ctl+alt+F1-F6 , don't think I've ever been at grub rescue
[13:15] <demon^eye> i see latest VlC player is 2.1 2 ... and on ubuntu software center is 2.0.8 ? if so how can i upgrade it to latest version
[13:16] <vvf> ciao
[13:17] <vvf> !list
[13:20] <demon^eye> again ... what is the latest VLC for ubuntu ? since their site shows 2.1.2 and software center show 2.0.8
[13:20] <demon^eye> anyone?
[13:20] <ObrienDave> demon^eye, safer to stay with the repo versions
[13:21] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, yeah understand grub rescue> is for grub, grub> is Grub2 .. but dont thing he can get to a console form there.
[13:21] <demon^eye> ObrienDave,  : what do u mean?
[13:21] <SaberX01> *think
[13:22] <ObrienDave> demon^eye, the repo versions are more stable
[13:22] <demon^eye> ObrienDave,  "repo" stand for?
[13:23] <ObrienDave> demon^eye, repository. where you get the "software center" versions
[13:23] <demon^eye> ObrienDave,  :  roger that :D
[13:23] <SaberX01> !repo | demon^eye,
[13:24] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : 10x
[13:26] <SaberX01> !backports | demon^eye, Also See:
[13:28] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, I probly used "Boot Repair". it's helped me in some of those situations
[13:30] <SaberX01> demon^eye, looks like 2.1.2 is slatted for 14.04 .. fouund some PPA stuff, but unless your really need 2.1x .. ObrienDave is right, probably best to hang where your at until it's released.
[13:32] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : "release" u mean via ubuntu software center?
[13:32] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, I think BR is still in a PPA .. hope they release that soon, seems allot of folks could use that given the number of folks could use it here rescently.
[13:33] <SaberX01> demon^eye, yes, should be released when 14.04 is released.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:34] <hkr> is mate any good ?
[13:34] <demon^eye> SaberX01, : u mean  ubuntu 14.04  ? will it be LTS also ? and where can i see any future release of UbuntU ? 10x :)
[13:34] <hkr> or should i use gnome 2 >
[13:34] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, yeah, have to add the PPA to get it.
[13:35] <cfhowlett> demon^eye, for development releases see #ubuntu+1
[13:35] <demon^eye> ok
[13:35] <cfhowlett> hkr, yes. no. how would we know what appeals to you.  no way to answer.
[13:36] <SaberX01> demon^eye, Yes Saucy has 2.0.8 and Trusty has 2.1.2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy&keywords=vlc
[13:36] <hkr> I'm asking about stability and you know... freedom and stuff
[13:36] <Rory> hkr: In my opinion, Mate is the perfect desktop environment, however
[13:36] <jj995> is there anything dangerous about using pull-debian-source/mk-build-deps/debuild to install a package from another distribution?  I can always uninstall with apt-get remove, right?
[13:36] <Rory> !best
[13:36] <hkr> ok Rory. its xfce for me :D
[13:37] <cfhowlett> jj995, mixing distros frequently leads to unpredicatable if not disasterous results
[13:37] <hkr> which file manager does it use by default, Rory ?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> SaberX01, fortunately I used the cd , since I didn't have usb boot capability at the time
[13:38] <jj995> cfhowlett: disastrous results including not being able to just apt-get remove the thing you added to revert the disaster?
[13:38] <TJ-> jj995: Depends on the source of the 'source' :p If it's upstream Debian, for most packages, it'll be OK. But as always, it depends on the specific package and differences against the Ubuntu version
[13:38] <cfhowlett> jj995, yes that would be one possibility
[13:39] <SaberX01> BluesKaj, It looks pretty good, goes through all the stuff we plow through here on a daily basis.
[13:39] <cfhowlett> jj995, consider the attempt a nice science experiment  - probably not something to risk your production environment on ...
[13:39] <jj995> ok, I'll just build the package my self under /usr/local then
[13:40] <TJ-> jj995: I generally add a "debian/" directory to source packages I build in order to take advantage of dpkg/apt facilities later
[13:40] <SaberX01> jj995, have a look at checkinstall, makes it easy to pull it back out if things go the wrong way.
[13:40] <nikcsareb> hi
[13:40] <SaberX01> Hello
[13:41] <eoifj1> and nooow - reporting live from my fubared system! using lynx and irssi
[13:42] <SaberX01> eoifj1, could be worse, could be at grub> .. .. ..
[13:42] <Maveryck> ciao
[13:42] <nikcsareb> My touch mouse aka trackpad is unsupported by xorg input synaptics What should i do? Where should i ask or report?
[13:42] <TJ-> SaberX01: could be worser, could be at _
[13:42] <SaberX01> :-)
[13:43] <eoifj1> How comes some packages decide to remove the whole desktop environment?! (And how do I get the idea to allow that?!)
[13:43] <SaberX01> TJ-, yeah, if ya get the dreaded _  things have gone really sideways ...
[13:44] <k1l> eoifj1: depends on what packages you remove
[13:45] <jj995> SaberX01: thanks, I'll give checkinstall a try
[13:45] <eoifj1> last time I logged in I still managed to open a terminal and had about 1.5 fonts :D
[13:45] <cfhowlett> eoifj1, details?  crystal ball is in the shop ...
[13:46] <TJ-> eoifj1: If package libVital is removed, everything that depends on libVital, and everything that depends on packages that depend on libVital, get removed
[13:46] <eoifj1> I think I was installing gvim yesterday. The removal of about 100 packages happened so fast I could not stop it
[13:47] <TJ-> eoifj1: If you need to reinstall them, you ought to be able to find a log of what was removed in /var/log/apt/history.log
[13:47] <jj995> SaberX01: usually I just run make install with some preface directory like /usr/local/boost so that I can just remove /usr/local/boost if I want, but that makes it a pain since it isn't in standard search paths -- checkinstall lets you get best of both worlds, right? standard search paths + easy to remove
[13:47] <_5andr0> hey guys. i got this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/396804/rtl8111-8168b-rev-06-ethernet-controller-not-working-with-ubuntu-12-04-03-13-1 offering some btc for a solution
[13:47] <SaberX01> jj995, Yup there's also some auto stuff that's pretty nifty too.
[13:48] <eoifj1> at the last boot I wrote a .py script to reset them to manually installed, it seemed to work, but I didn't get all of them
[13:48] <SaberX01> jj995, auto-apt run ./configure  works pretty slick
[13:48] <eoifj1> i'll reboot now, lets see what works
[13:49] <djtorr3> i have a problem with nvidia/intel optimus dual gpu in ubuntu, i'm trying to find a way to simply enable bumblebee or whatever i need to run default in unity so that i can use nvidia drivers
[13:50] <TJ-> _5andr0: Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" please?
[13:50] <k1l> !away > dziegler
[13:51] <TJ-> _5andr0: If its a pain, what I want to see is the [vendor:device] PCI ID of the network device
[13:52] <_5andr0> TJ-: sure, it's a bit of a hassle. will take a while because the rig is in an ice cold cellar. brb
[13:53] <cfhowlett> *wine cellar* ??
[13:54] <eoij> There and back again. I can access the terminal after the splash screen. Still no graphical environment. I installed xorg, gnome-desktop and others.
[13:55] <TJ-> _5andr0: Arghh... OK ... also, can you tell me if it has the package "r8168-dkms" installed? " dpkg-query -l 'r8168*' | grep '^ii'  ''
[13:55] <k1l> eoij: what desktop do you want to use?
[13:55] <eoij> unity
[13:55] <k1l> eoij: make sure a 'dm is instaled, like lightdm
[13:55] <k1l> eoij: install lightdm and ubuntu-desktop
[13:56] <TJ-> eoij: lightdm should start X. is lightdm installed and the service enabled?
[13:56] <eoij> lightdm is installed, ubuntu-desktop too
[13:57] <eoij> lightdm returns "Failed to use bus name org.freeDesktop.DisplayManager"
[13:59] <k1l> eoij: are you root or a user? what command did you start lightdm with?
[13:59] <_5andr0> TJ-: Ethernet Controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)      brb again for the dkms package
[14:00] <eoij> I started lightdm with root
[14:00] <_5andr0> cfhowlett: wish it was a wine cellar, but no. it's an unused cellar full of spiderwebs and dust :D
[14:00] <MarkDavies_> where is the file xinetd.conf on new Ubuntus?
[14:01] <eoij> k1l: it blinks a while and when I switch to another terminal and back, the mentioned message is shown
[14:01] <MarkDavies_> well, it doesn't even have inetd/xinetd daemons. What are these replaced by?
[14:01] <k1l> start lightdm as a user with "sudo service lightdm start"
[14:02] <eoij> "Job is already running"
[14:02] <k1l> then do a "restart"
[14:02] <eoij> i stopped and started it now
[14:03] <eoij> and I even _heard_ something :D
[14:03] <eoij> the ubuntu-login-sound
[14:03] <eoij> but I see nothing except a frozen underscore
[14:04] <eoij> now i switched back and there is "lightdm started running"
[14:04] <eoij> I still get no response from "tty7"
[14:05] <pozzio> ciao, per vedere skygo mi chiede l'installazione di silverlight ma non capisco (e non mi fa capire il web) dove scaricare il programma per ubunu. Chi mi può gentilmente aiutare?
[14:05] <k1l> !it | pozzio
[14:05] <pozzio> ok
[14:06] <nashant> Hi guys, I really want to use ubuntu but I've got a problem. Just bought a new laptop and the touchpad doesn't have separate buttons, they're under the bottom corners. The issue is that if I touch these areas it moves the pointer. I've tried using synclient AreaBottomEdge, but that then disables the whole touchpad if I have my thumb on the dead area. Anyone know of a solution?
[14:06] <mazinho> helpe me
[14:06] <mazinho> meu som não funcinoa
[14:06] <mazinho> funciona
[14:07] <mazinho> my sound stopped working
[14:07] <k1l> eoij: see the logs from Xorg and syslog to get to know what is wrong there
[14:08] <mazinho> how?
[14:08] <TJ-> _5andr0: Your AskUbuntu question says you manually installed the r8168 driver, but the preferred way to install that driver is using the "r8168-dkms" package. You can download it as a single .deb and transfer it to the host, then install it manually using "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/r8168-dkms.deb" from the following link
[14:08] <nashant> mazinho: He's not talking to you
[14:09] <banex> Hello Al
[14:09] <TJ-> _5andr0: From this link choose first the Ubuntu version that is installed (for each version, prefer the -updates and -backports variations to get the latest version)
[14:10] <ddosantos> hi there, little question about memory usage
[14:11] <TJ-> _5andr0: The package is available for Quantal (12.10) and later
[14:11] <ddosantos> executing df -h I get /dev/sda7             127G   92G   30G  76% /home
[14:11] <ddosantos> but the du -sch at /home level says 88G
[14:11] <ddosantos> do I have 4G missing?
[14:14] <_5andr0> TJ-: no packages installed like that. i tried installing it like that: http://sikpigs.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/realtek-r8168-on-ubuntu-12-04/ but it sais dkms not found. u said "from this link" but i can't see a link :S
[14:15] <TJ-> _5andr0: lol I forgot to paste it! >>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=quantal&searchon=names&keywords=r8168-dkms
[14:16] <TJ-> _5andr0: Those instructions are incomplete and don't cover blacklisting the r8169 driver and having the r8168 driver auto-load
[14:16] <TJ-> _5andr0: I suspect you'll need to use "dkms" to remove the manually installed version *first*
[14:18] <_5andr0> well, then i have to build dkms^^
[14:21] <TJ-> _5andr0: 'dkms' should be installed. What you'll need do is something along the lines of "sudo dkms remove r8168/<IP_ADDRESS> --all"
[14:22] <TJ-> _5andr0: Then you can do the "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/r8168-dkms.deb"
[14:23] <tux31> how install sis video driver
[14:23] <_5andr0> can't find the r8168-dkms.deb package for precice lts. can i take the quantal.deb package? i swear i got an error message when using sudo dkms that dkms it wasn't found on a fresh precice desktop install
[14:23] <freefox> hi,it says "no free space on home drive, KDE cannot start" at startup, beven though I freed up space, what can I do?
[14:25] <anuvrat> I am trying to boot off a live usb of ubuntu 13.04 (works fine on one of my machines) but gives "can't stat /root/var/cache... password.dat': Input/output error" on other machine (lenovo thinkpad') ..
[14:25] <anuvrat> could someone tell me what could be the problem?
[14:25] <TJ-> _5andr0: Arghh, it might be it was optional in Precise, but I can't recall now
[14:26] <TJ-> _5andr0: Not sure if the Quantal  r8168-dkms package would work but in theory it might, since it is a source-only package. It depends on whether specific kernel patches are needed/included for the Precise kernel.
[14:27] <freefox> and it says "Error writing headers; rc = [-28]" on the console
[14:27] <TJ-> _5andr0: You could save a lot of grief if you could temporarily plug in a spare network card or USB network adapter to gain network access... anything you can 'borrow' from another system temporarily?
[14:28] <_5andr0> yea, that could work. what can i do when internet is working?
[14:28] <TJ-> _5andr0: You could ssh to it from your warm and cosy PC, and then install software/pastebin results of commands so we can help you better
[14:29] <_5andr0> great idea. brb
[14:29] <freefox> help!
[14:29] <TJ-> _5andr0: OK, I have to go run the huskies so will be away for a while; someone else should be able to pick up helping you
[14:29] <_5andr0> okay hf ;) thx
[14:30] <pikaren> why is mint ranked ahead of ubuntu on distrowatch
[14:32] <k1l> pikaren: that is a topic for the offtopic channel: #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:32] <Ronn5241> Distrowatch just measures the number of views the main website gets, it isn't the measure of how many users use those distros
[14:33] <BluesKaj> pikaren, it's political :)
[14:34] <ROPA> is there anyway to have a program play an audio file at full volume ev en if the master volume control is set to a low volume level???
[14:35] <ObrienDave> ROPA, no, that's why it's called the MASTER volume
[14:38] <ROPA> ObrienDave can a command line direct the master volume to be turned up to full, play the short audio file, then redue the master volume control back to its previous setting??? Is there really no way to do this??
[14:39] <CrzyUchiha2486> sup guys, trying to install mpv player, new to linux, any help would be appreciated
[14:39] <jrib> ROPA: sure, you can do that.  You can also set volume to more than 100% for the application
[14:39] <xangua> !find mpv
[14:40] <CrzyUchiha2486> I've tried a couple of guides to build it my self with no luck unfortunetly
[14:42] <CrzyUchiha2486> !find mpv
[14:43] <ROPA> jrib that works once, until the system reboots-
[14:43] <jrib> ROPA: what do you mean by "that".  I mentioned two options
[14:43] <djangonoob> I have got a new laptop and switched from 12.04 to 13.10 and I think my sony eye-toy which I am using for a python project is not working anymore
[14:43] <djangonoob> I see it with lsusb
[14:44] <djangonoob> I think the python code should be correct
[14:44] <ObrienDave> "sony eye-toy", wasn't that for a PS3?
[14:44] <djangonoob> it is the older one
[14:44] <ROPA> jrib when I set the sound system to play wide open for a particular application, the next time the system is rebooted, it has to be adjusted again.
[14:44] <djangonoob> for ps2 (or ps1?)
[14:44] <jrib> ROPA: ok
[14:45] <jrib> ROPA: your question is how to make that persistent?
[14:45] <eoij> still no graphics here :/
[14:45] <djangonoob> ObrienDave, it was working with the old laptop and ubuntu 12.04
[14:45] <ROPA> jrib persistance might make it work.........
[14:46] <ObrienDave> djangonoob, don't know what to tell ya. sorry
[14:46] <jrib> ROPA: i'm trying to figure out what your actual question is.
[14:46] <eoij> "trusty" tahr
[14:46] <ROPA> jrib I will elaborate............
[14:47] <ObrienDave> eoij, "trusty" support is in #ubuntu+1
[14:48] <ROPA> I want a notification to be heard even if the master volume is turned down.........in my case, I want xchat irc program to advise me when my brother comes online and I need to be able to hear it even if I'm in the next room and the master volume is set to a low setting.
[14:48] <dramon> i am using ubuntu 13.10 and have installed java plugin but firefox is not running javascript so i wonder if someone can help me figure it out
[14:48] <ROPA> jrib I want a notification to be heard even if the master volume is turned down.........in my case, I want xchat irc program to advise me when my brother comes online and I need to be able to hear it even if I'm in the next room and the master volume is set to a low setting.
[14:49] <jrib> ROPA: so as I suggested before, either make the app raise master volume, play, restore master volume or have the app raise its application volume past 100%
[14:49] <eoij> It was not the thars fault, it was mine. I guess it would also happen with other releases
[14:50] <jrib> ROPA: you need to decide on one of these options (or suggest a new one), then try to use it/implement it
[14:50] <davor> hello
[14:51] <eoij> The interesting thing is, when I do a full restart on the lightdm service, i hear the login sound every time, now the terminal in which I started it indicates that no output was found
[14:51] <djangonoob> how can I find out what ubuntu 12.04 does with my eye-toy after I connect it what ubuntu 13.10 does not?
[14:52] <eoij> tty1 says: "Failed to start NVIDIA PRIME Power Saving Mode"
[14:52] <ROPA> jrib all the programs I tried so far will only play at a setting that is limited by the master volume setting.
[14:52] <k1l> djangonoob: dmesg
[14:52] <jrib> ROPA: so as I suggested before, either make the app raise master volume, play, restore master volume or have the app raise its application volume past 100%
[14:52] <k1l> eoij: so its a video card issue with hybrid graphic
[14:53] <jrib> ROPA: to expand on the second option, with pulseaudio you can set volume past 100%.  See pavucontrol for example
[14:53] <ObrienDave> ROPA, how's this.... turn down the volume on ALL other apps except for Xchat
[14:53] <dramon> could someone help me figure it out what happen in my firefox that dont play youtube videos
[14:53] <davor> I am trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 x64 to a Lenovo G710. I can get to the bootloader, but upon selecting Install or Try without installing, I get a black screen (no backlight either, black as if the computer is off). I have tried setting SATA mode to compatible and switching from EFI to legacy, all to no avail.
[14:53] <zteam> Hi guys!
[14:54] <zteam> is there any easy way to convert a a KDE-icon theme to Gnome?
[14:54] <jrib> ROPA: I assume one can manipulate the application volume with something like pactl or pacmd.  Or that those settings can be saved and restored.  Or that they can be configured statically somewhere.  I don't know the details; I'm just suggesting a path for you to take
[14:54] <davor> If I just leave it to boot off the DVD on its own, it gets to the violet screen with the little man and keyboard drawing on the bottom, and then said black screen follows
[14:54] <eoij> k1l: So there is probably some package that was previously removed that caused this?
[14:55] <k1l> yes, possible. we still dont know what you removed. but the apt log in /var/log can tell you
[14:57] <jrib> ROPA: how do you make xchat notify you?  Is it built-in or is it launching some external application?
[14:58] <ROPA> jrib xchat has it built in......OR you can specify a sound player and the file to play........
[14:58] <k1l> jrib: its in the xchat settings
[14:59] <jrib> ROPA: so probably the easiest/kludgiest solution is to just launch a script that modifies volume, plays sound, restores volume (bonus for just modifying the app volume that's playing the sound)
[14:59] <eoij> interesting: apt held the nvidia-319-updates back.
[15:00] <ROPA> jrib ok-so I need to learn about writing scripts???
[15:00] <ObrienDave> eoij, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:00] <jrib> ROPA: it's probably handy to learn how to write a basic script, yes.  Do you use the command line at all?
[15:01] <ROPA> I'm a near beginner, and prefer the command line.
[15:01] <ROPA> jrib I'm a near beginner, and prefer the command line.
[15:02] <jrib> ROPA: a basic script is just a text file with one command per line and a special line at the very top of the form "#!/bin/bash" that has executable permissions (chmod +x script)
[15:02] <ROPA> none to the sound plyers have the ability to independently raise the mster volume level though.
[15:02] <Kartagis> Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) <--- with this audio device, all I get is a constant buzz in skype. this started happening with 13.10 update. any ideas?
[15:02] <jrib> ROPA: you can change the volume with pactl or pacmd
[15:03] <jrib> ROPA: google something like "pulseaudio volume command" or "pulseaudio pacmd pactl volume raise" etc.  I don't know the command offhand
[15:04] <ROPA> jrib ok, so script wring and pacmd and pactl are the topics I NEED TO LEARN ABOUT??!! I can do that, thanks for the nudge in the right direction !!
[15:04] <ROPA> wring = writing.
[15:05] <jrib> ROPA: yes.  Start by write some basic script that says "hello".  Then, try to figure out the commands that control volume.  Then combine your knowledge...
[15:06] <ROPA> jrib ok, that sounds like a plan-any idea how to sense the initial master volume level and then return it to that level after the alert sound is played???
[15:07] <jrib> ROPA: not offhand
[15:07] <jrib> ROPA: make that the last thing you worry about
[15:08] <ROPA> jrib ok, I'll hit the books again....Ive never written a script before, unless a .bat file in windows counts::>
[15:08] <ROPA> jrib I thank you, you were incredibly helpful.
[15:11] <LjL> ROPA: that's pretty much jrib, yeah
[15:12] <jrib> a wild LjL appears
[15:13] <mbicknell1> Anyone around the Middle Ga area?
[15:13] <Rory> !anyone | mbicknell1
[15:15] <dna__> scope-runner-dbs.py keeps crashing in my 13.10. Any ideas why?
[15:15] <mbicknell1> I'm looking for someone in the Middle GA area (Warner Robins, Macon), to give a paid session on setting up a mail server on ubuntu. Yes, paid.
[15:16] <dna__> mbicknell1, have you tried ubuntu-offtopic ?
[15:16] <mbicknell1> I will try, thank you!
[15:19] <dramon> what command should i use to deleted completely firefox and install it again without remember how was set before?
[15:19] <dramon> in the terminal
[15:19] <dna__> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[15:20] <dramon> dna__, is that better than purge?
[15:20] <dramon> cause is still putting the bookmarks
[15:20] <ObrienDave> dramon, use purge to completely remove
[15:20] <xangua> dramon: the configuration is in your home ~/.firefox
[15:21] <dramon> ObrienDave, i did but still remember the config
[15:21] <xangua> Or it was ~/.mozilla
[15:21] <jrib> dramon: you probably just want to create a new profile (firefox -ProfileManager) or rename ~/.mozilla
[15:21] <dramon> well...the problem is this...for some reason firefox stop running java
[15:23] <dennis_> dramon: did you update to firefox 26?
[15:23] <dramon> dennis_, no
[15:24] <dramon> dennis_, i just installed ubuntu 13.10
[15:25] <tacorwin> dramon: try reinstalling Java, and/or Firefox.
[15:25] <dennis_> the ubuntu updater might have updated firefox. can you check the version?
[15:25] <dramon> tacorwin, i did...although now i would like to use something stronger that apt-get purge
[15:26] <foxx> hello all. does anyone know why a loop mount does not lock the file being mounted? i.e. `mount -o loop /root/somefile.img /mnt/somepath` does not seem to lock `/root/somefile.img`, so im able to delete the file yet the mount remains there (albeit with a deleted warning inside `mount`). any ideas on why this is not done by default, and whether it can be locked?
[15:28] <jrib> foxx: does "lock" have a special meaning or are you just using it to mean "prevent from being deleted"
[15:28] <foxx> jrib: sorry, i should have been more specific. in this instance, its to prevent write/delete.
[15:28] <jrib> foxx: have you ever seen that behavior?  I haven't
[15:29] <foxx> jrib: actually, thats a good point. i dont think i have.
[15:29] <foxx> well, ive seen write lock, but not delete lock
[15:29] <jrib> foxx: why do you want that behavior?
[15:30] <tacorwin> Just do  "apt-get remove firefox firefox* java* && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install firefox icedtea
[15:30] <dramon> xangua, when we purge firefox it also remove the configuration right?
[15:30] <xangua> dramon: no, the configuration is in your home
[15:30] <foxx> jrib: mostly to prevent accidental user fuckups. i wonder if setting sticky bit would do the trick
[15:31] <tacorwin> Whoops. Didn't finish that! dramon ^^
[15:31] <dramon> tacorwin, ok
[15:31] <jrib> foxx: depending on the scenario, permissions or chattr +i might be sufficient
[15:31] <foxx> jrib: just saw +i now, checking man page
[15:32] <foxx> that looks exactly like what i need, will give it a shot. thank you sir!
[15:32] <dramon> tacorwin, but did you read what xangua says?...the configuration is in different location
[15:39] <djzekome> q
[15:40] <tacorwin> dramon: 10:30:05 <tacorwin> Just do  "apt-get remove firefox firefox* java* && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install firefox icedtea-6-plugin icedtea-7-plugin" also, delete the ~/.mozilla directory.
[15:41] <dramon> tacorwin, thanks...i am on it
[15:42] <tacorwin> You may also want to reinstall other versions of Java you may want/need
[15:43] <dramon> tacorwin, they working good in chrome so i dont know what happened with firefox
[15:44] <dramon> so i am just removing firefox
[15:44] <tacorwin> Also install icedtea-7-plugin and icedtea-6-plugin, if that doesn't work
[15:45] <dramon> tacorwin, thats a good idea...i think i also did
[15:46] <Dudytz> hi all .. what is a "non-interative" session?
[15:46] <TJ-> dramon: Are you aware that Firefox 26 blocks Java plug-ins by default?
[15:48] <TJ-> dramon: See https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/26.0/releasenotes/
[15:48] <dramon> TJ-, didnt know that although i just installed ubuntu 13.10 on my new system :-P
[15:49] <tacorwin> dramon, TJ-, I wasn't aware of that either.
[15:49] <TJ-> dramon: I just came back in, but I got the drift that your problem was Firefox not executing Java applets, but Chrome will... that would be one explanation
[15:49] <Dudytz> is a gnome session a "non interative" session?
[15:49] <dennis_> if you selected to download updates during ubuntu setup you will have the Firefox 26
[15:50] <dramon> TJ-, thats right but ...what we have to do then?
[15:50] <TJ-> dramon: In Firefox's Tools > Addons > Plugins, you may see that the Java plugin is set to "Ask to Activate"
[15:51] <dramon> TJ-, doesnt even show though
[15:52] <TJ-> dramon: OK... once you've re-installed the icedtea-plugin packages and restarted Firefox, the Java plugin should show up
[15:58] <dalit> i love ubuntu but have limited hardware.Im considering xubuntu but is it possible to remove dash and have xfce in ubuntu?
[15:59] <dalit> Is it possible to remove dash and have xfce in ubuntu?
[15:59] <Steve^> I'm trying to read command line email, but struggling to give the username in the right format.. if the username is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>what value do I give to "mail -u ..."?
[15:59] <HTML5lover> I know this is the ubuntu irc, but is anyone else unable to boot Fedora, OpenSUSE, or Slackware from usb?
[15:59] <owljoel> hi
[16:00] <dalit> HTML5lover : no
[16:00] <Rory> HTML5lover: Why don't you ask ##linux
[16:00] <dalit> Is it possible to remove dash and have xfce in ubuntu?
[16:00] <TJ-> Steve^: "mail -u $USER" where $USER is your logged-in username *or* another local system user that you have sufficient permissions to access their /home/$USER/ directory
[16:00] <owljoel> anyone knows where to ask about c programming?
[16:01] <TJ-> dalit: The 'dash' is part of Unity so if you use XFCE the 'dash' won't be used
[16:01] <MarkDavies> how can I learn what the ip of my computer is?
[16:01] <MarkDavies> by the use of a command line, I mean
[16:01] <daftykins> MarkDavies: ifconfig in a terminal if you want to do it command line
[16:01] <Steve^> TJ-, ah ok, in my case that doesn't match up, so I probably need to specify the file location of the mailbox?
[16:01] <dalit> TJ- can i have xfce without installing xubuntu
[16:01] <MarkDavies> daftykins: but it gives me <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:01] <dalit> i know dash is default
[16:02] <TJ-> owljoel: Probably the "##c" channel, although we have experts in here too for Ubuntu-related questions
[16:02] <dalit> so i m ready to remove Unity
[16:02] <dramon> TJ-, i have icedtea-web plugin "always active"
[16:02] <daftykins> MarkDavies: do you mean you want your internet-facing IP?
[16:02] <owljoel> ok, thanks
[16:03] <TJ-> dalit: Yes, using "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[16:03] <MarkDavies> daftykins: exactly
[16:03] <dalit> TJ- then will it work normally?
[16:03] <daftykins> MarkDavies: well that's only possible if it were an interface on your local machine. you could wget whatismyip.com or use a text-based browser like lynx to visit whatismyip.com
[16:03] <ObrienDave> dalit, LOL it will work
[16:03] <TJ-> MarkDavies: From the command line: "wget -qO- http://ipecho.net/plain ; echo"
[16:04] <dalit> TJ- ObrienDave : i mean i have limited hardware
[16:04] <dalit> TJ- ObrienDave : no graphic card lesser RAM
[16:04] <dramon> anyway i just check and i am using firefox 25
[16:04] <MarkDavies> TJ-: it doesn't work
[16:04] <TJ-> dalit: Once xubuntu-desktop is installed you'll be able to select an XFCE session from the log-in screen, by pressing the Gear icon next to the username
[16:05] <TJ-> MarkDavies: What result do you get?
[16:05] <MarkDavies> oh, ok, there is O instead of 0
[16:05] <ObrienDave> dalit, I run Xubuntu on laptop. integrated graphics. no card. works just fine
[16:05] <dalit> TJ- i want to make that xfce the default choice. possible?
[16:06] <jj1234> is Network Manager no longer a service in 13.10?  I can't seem to be able to restart it
[16:06] <dalit> ObrienDave : ya but i want ubuntu without Unity
[16:06] <TJ-> dalit: Someone else needs to confirm this, but I believe once you've installed xubuntu-desktop you could remove ubuntu-desktop... possibly need a little more work though. Not had to do it myself in a long time
[16:06] <dalit> Unity is cumbersome
[16:07] <TJ-> jj1234: How are you trying to start it?
[16:07] <gvo> dalit that's being polite
[16:07] <ObrienDave> dalit, the core is the same, just a different desktop manager
[16:08] <jj1234> well I was just trying to restart it
[16:08] <jj1234> it's an upstart job, right?
[16:08] <dalit> gvo : LOL
[16:08] <TJ-> jj1234: Yes, "sudo service network-manager restart"
[16:08] <ObrienDave> dalit, if you remove Unity and install XFCE, you are running Xubuntu. no difference
[16:08] <jj1234> whoa, ok so that works
[16:09] <jj1234> so it doesn't work if I run it as the root user
[16:09] <dramon> ok there is a option in help firefox menu where you can restart firefox with all add-on dissabled and re-install firefox as originally comes so i got to get it fixed...thanks guys
[16:09] <dalit> ObrienDave : then its fine
[16:09] <ObrienDave> yes
[16:09] <jj1234> i'm not sure I understand that
[16:09] <dalit> ObrienDave : i will do it that way
[16:09] <FiremanEd> dalit: you could opt by just installing sudo apt-get install xfce4
[16:09] <TJ-> jj1234: Yes, "sudo" provides root privileges.
[16:10] <dalit> FiremanEd : then i will get rid of Unity?
[16:10] <jj1234> right, but how come when I run it as the root user, it says 'unknown job: network-manager'
[16:10] <TJ-> jj1234: Depends how you switch to 'root'. The login environment may not be fully set-up. You should use "sudo -i"
[16:11] <jj1234> yep, wasn't using 'su -'
[16:11] <jj1234> just doing 'su'
[16:11] <TJ-> jj1234: aha
[16:11] <FiremanEd> dalit: no, removing unity is not recommended, but you can go all the way and do a Ubuntu minimal install. You install only the packages you want and in your case you would add xfce4 to the list of packages to install (not Gnome or Unity). That way you will get no packages from Xubuntu, except the ones you have selected.
[16:11] <jj1234> fantastic, thanks
[16:12] <daum_> anyone have the lenovo u510? thinking about getting one refurbed and was curious if people like it with ubuntu
[16:12] <OerHeks> !nounity
[16:13] <dalit> FiremanEd : ya somebody even suggested me "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[16:13] <FiremanEd> dalit: If I recall xubuntu-desktop has a dropdown at login to use xfce
[16:14] <ObrienDave> dalit, that will get you a more "complete" DE
[16:14] <ObrienDave> FiremanEd, yes, xfce and xubuntu dropdown
[16:15] <dalit> ok then gong for ubuntu install with xfce interface added later
[16:15] <allstarsnorks2> Hi guys, I am unable to log into my account after changing to a Gnome theme on Ubuntu GNOME.
[16:15] <FiremanEd> dalit: good deal
[16:16] <dalit> thanks guys
[16:16] <isidore> hello , everyone, I met a problem
[16:17] <allstarsnorks2> How do I log back into Ubuntu GNOME after getting stuck on a login screen?
[16:17] <isidore> I develop an IM software, server program runs in linux, and Client program runs in windows
[16:18] <isidore> linux can receive Net Packet from windows, but windwos can't receive Net Packet from linux
[16:18] <isidore> who can tell me why?
[16:19] <TJ-> isidore: Without seeing your application source-code and test-rig, no-one. What steps have you taken so far to diagnose the issue?
[16:20] <isidore> the server source code  and client source run windows, and there is no problem
[16:21] <isidore> @<TJ-> how can I show you my application and source code to ?
[16:21] <TJ-> isidore: Sounds as if you need to check the network connectivity, routing, and firewalls
[16:23] <moi> hi
[16:24] <moi> salut
[16:24] <moi> ok
[16:25] <isidore> there is another phenemenon about linux can't ping windows success, howerver windows can ping linux success
[16:25] <moi> fine
 but there are so many IM software in the business market, they could't make every client user to think their  e network connectivity, routing, and firewalls
[16:29] <jos-z> Weet iemand iets voor de installatie van Lexmark z1270
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !nl | jos-z
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> !lexmark | jos-z
[16:34] <jos-z> lotuspsychje> Dat ga ik even proberen
[16:36] <Merce> Hola
[16:37] <choxte> hola merce
[16:37] <Merce> ola choxte
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !es | Merce
[16:37] <Merce> ok
[16:38] <Merce> eoooooooo
[16:38] <choxte> que pasa merce?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> english guys
[16:38] <Merce> no se eskee nadieeennn habla
[16:39] <choxte> aqui se hanla inglés solamente merce
[16:39] <choxte> habla*
[16:39] <Merce> no
[16:39] <Merce> poco
[16:39] <Merce> bueno po entonces me boi
[16:39] <litropy> I'm running ubuntu from an external HD. My internal HD is damaged, however it does mount. When I attempt to browse my user folders, I get a permissions error. Is this a simple case of chown?
[16:39] <Merce> adios
[16:40] <choxte>  bye
[16:40] <_nix_> litropy, indeed. Try browsing as a root user
[16:40] <shreezbot_> Hi!  I'm looking for a way to have all files created in a directory have the permissions bits set to 666.  Do you guys know of a way to do this?
[16:40]  * hardis 5x5 on
[16:41] <arunkumar413> I friends, I want to create sqlite database the GUI way. is there any good application for ubuntu
[16:41]  * hardis 5x5 on
[16:41] <_nix_> arunkumar413, yeah.. look for sqlite manager in firefox addons
[16:42] <qin> !es | choxte
[16:42] <hardis> nix
[16:42] <hardis>  cm?
[16:42] <hardis> 5x5
[16:42] <hardis> ?
[16:42] <hardis> ?
[16:42] <FloodBot1> hardis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:42] <_nix_> Heh
[16:42] <arunkumar413> _nix_: ya, I've tried that but having issues with foreign keys
[16:42] <litropy> _nix_, thanks. where can I find my drive in bash, anyway? /media only has floppies; when I try sda2 (which is my mounted, damaged drive), it tells me it's not a directory. 'b' is next to sda2's listing.
[16:43]  * hardis 5x5 cm?
[16:43]  * hardis 5x5 on
[16:43] <demophobia> Can Ubuntu get viruses from visiting porn websites?
[16:44] <TJ-> demophobia: Not as easily as you can :p
[16:44] <OerHeks> litropy, 'mount' should tell you where
[16:44] <_nix_> litropy, try "mount | grep sda2" in bash and it should show you where sda2 is mounted
[16:44] <ObrienDave> TJ-, rofl
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: you should always be prudent for forms of malware
[16:44] <demophobia> ObrienDave, ?
[16:45] <_nix_> arunkumar413, not sure then heh. I do this stuff with mysql workbench but that's for mysql alone I think
[16:45] <demophobia> lotuspsychje, of course, but I am not the only user of this computer ...
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: if you hit a malicious banner, while pc banking...things can happen right
[16:46] <demophobia> "pc banking"?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> demophobia: keep a healthy paranoia, is my point
[16:46] <foxx> lotuspsychje: anything can happen when your browsing.
[16:46] <glitsj16> arunkumar413: have you tried sqliteman yet? should be in the ubuntu repos
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> foxx: true
[16:46] <foxx> lotuspsychje: there is no 100% way to prevent all attacks, the best you can do is layer multiple defences
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> foxx: agree on that
[16:47] <_nix_> Browsing with javascript and plugins disabled helps
[16:47] <foxx> but a great start would be to disable flash, java, javascript (unless pre-auth'd), anti virus where possible, lowered user permissions.. etc
[16:47] <TJ-> arunkumar413: what issues are you having? which version of sqlite are you using?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !security | demophobia
[16:48] <rah> my parents' machine has Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) on it
[16:49] <rah> it has a GNOME 2 desktop
[16:49] <rah> I want to upgrade it
[16:49] <_nix_> rah, awesome
[16:49] <foxx> lotuspsychje: if you want to do crazy, then throw in a passive DPI such as snort, or sourcefire. run your workspace inside a virtual machine with snapshots that revert on every run. check for root kits from a clean OS with your virtual machine bind mounted in
[16:49] <arunkumar413> TJ-: I'm unable to define a foreign key
[16:49] <rah> but if their desktop changes, they'll shout at me
[16:49] <shreezbot_> So does anyone know of a way to have all files created in a directory created with certain permissions bits?  For example, I want all files created in /media/data1/ to have permissions bits of 766 regardless of the user who created the files....
[16:49] <foxx> lotuspsychje: the question is, what are you trying to protect, and how far do you want to go to protect it
[16:49] <rah> so, can I upgrade to a recent release of Ubuntu and retain the GNOME 2 desktop?
[16:49] <foxx> lotuspsychje: because honestly, this can escalate all the way to sitting inside your own home built faraday cage. im not joking :)
[16:49] <gordonjcp> rah: it's no longer developed
[16:49] <_nix_> rah, there's a MATE desktop
[16:50] <litropy> _nix_, nevermind, I was ssh'ed into another box, thinking it was my computer.
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> foxx: i know this, demophobia started the question
[16:50] <OerHeks> rah no, gnome2 is dead
[16:50] <foxx> ahh
[16:50] <TJ-> arunkumar413: Show us the syntax you're using, and tell us the sqlite version
[16:50] <_nix_> litropy, lol
[16:50] <foxx> my bad, misread your message!
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> no sweat :p
[16:50] <foxx> demophobia: be afraid!
[16:50] <_nix_> shreezbot_, you can try that with a umask I guess
[16:50] <arunkumar413> TJ-: actually , i'm doing the GUI way
[16:51] <foxx> total paranoia is total awareness. but additional security is usually a pita.
[16:51] <rah> _nix_: will the MATE desktop retain the panel layout, etc., of a user's GNOME 2 desktop?
[16:51] <gordonjcp> rah: maybe, maybe not
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[16:51] <gordonjcp> MATE is the hacked-about reanimated corpse of Gnome 2
[16:51] <_nix_> rah, MATE desktop kinda looks like gnome2 but there's some difference somewhere. I haven't really used it, KDE fellow here heh
[16:51] <_nix_> Yes, what gordonjcp said
[16:51] <gordonjcp> rah: just use Unity like a normal person
[16:52] <shreezbot_> _nix_, I'll try to google that...  Thanks!  :)
[16:52] <OnkelTem> Hi all. Can anybody clarify what is the key difference between Xubuntu and Lubuntu? If both are minimal, then why two?
[16:52] <demophobia> What calendar program should I use? Can I export my iCal calendars into it?
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: the issue isn't what I want to use
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: the issue is what will prevent my parents from shouting at me
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: Unity will make my parents shout at me
[16:52] <gordonjcp> rah: no, it won't
[16:52] <rah> gordonjcp: eh?
[16:52] <gordonjcp> rah: it took my mum all of about ten seconds to figure it out
[16:53] <ObrienDave> rah, only until they get used to it ;P
[16:53] <gordonjcp> it's much quicker than Gnome 2 used to be
[16:53] <rah> gordonjcp: that doesn't contradict what I said
[16:53] <_nix_> shreezbot_, but umask would apply to your login shell. As in, do "umask 0111" in bash and then any file you create would have 0666 perms
[16:54] <TJ-> arunkumar413: I'd recommend checking you can do it from the sqlite shell first. If that works, it narrows the issue down to the GUI you use
[16:54] <rah> is MATE the only fork in Ubuntu?
[16:54] <arunkumar413> glitsj16: now I've tried the sqliteman, but there is no option to define a foreign key
[16:54] <rah> is Cinamon in Ubuntu?
[16:55] <rah> (sp?)
[16:55] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Oh, that might not work for me then.  There is an application running as another user that is creating the files...  :(
[16:55] <rah> Cinnamon
[16:56] <phillyj> will i get some error if I install both IDE and SATA optical drives in my machine?
[16:56] <shreezbot_> _nix_, I have another task, running as another user, that needs to be able to have full rw access to the files, but it can't because it doesn't have permission...  :(
[16:56] <_nix_> rah, there's Cinnamon in Ubuntu. I'd suggest trying out mint.
[16:57] <_nix_> shreezbot_: oh, hmm.
[16:57] <rah> _nix_: why mint?
[16:57] <litropy> _nix_,  so I'm now ready to (attempt to) copy my user directory from my damaged HD to my external HD, where I'm running Ubuntu. I'm using root. Will that set the owner of all files and directories to root, or will they be unaffected? Eventually, I'd like to chown it all to my Ubuntu user.
[16:58] <rah> hmm
[16:58] <rah> scratch that
[16:58] <_nix_> rah, mint because Cinnamon is their child and they have the best implementation
[16:58] <glitsj16> arunkumar413: i'm with TJ-: even when you use a sqlite GUI you will have to enter properly syntaxed and correct sql commands, a GUI isn't pure magic
[16:58] <rah> I read "mint" as "MATE"
[16:59] <_nix_> litropy, depends on how you're copying. If you do it with cp -a it'll preserve ownership and permissions. You can always do a recursive chown anyway though
[16:59] <_nix_> shreezbot_, is this process creating files as well?
[16:59] <litropy> _nix_, thx
[17:00] <_nix_> litropy, I
[17:01] <TJ-> arunkumar413: I've ust used sqliteman to create 3 tables, the third having two foreign key definitions to the other tables
[17:01] <_nix_> litropy, I'd suggest using something like scalpel if it's a damaged HD
[17:01] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Well, there is the process creating the files running as one user, and then another process that needs to be able to move the files running as another user...
[17:02] <_nix_> shreezbot_, how about putting both users in the same group and applying group read/write umask on them?
[17:02] <arunkumar413> TJ-: then when adding the record how do we select the foreign key
[17:02] <rah> thanks
[17:02] <_nix_> litropy, oh check this out http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ :)
[17:03] <litropy> _nix_ too late for that, already started cp. Will check it out while I wait, though.
[17:03] <shreezbot_> _nix_, That sounds like exactly what I'd like to do...
[17:05] <Rick_> first timer : what are hot topics?
[17:05] <RiotingPacifist> When I try and add a connection i get Error: Failed to add/activate new connection: (32) No session found for uid 1000 (unknown), but polkit is set to allow me to create connections and doing it as root works
[17:06] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Actually, if both users are members of the same group, so I even need to set a umask?
[17:07] <_nix_> shreezbot_, I -think- the default umask is 0022 which translates to u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx in Ubuntu. Can't verify it right now though.
[17:07] <kalon33> Hello everybody, someone else experiencing 404 errors downloading updates using archive.ubuntu.com?
[17:08] <user82> is there still a way to dynamically hide the side-bar in Ubuntu 13.10. Like when you have a full screen app running?
[17:08] <_nix_> shreezbot_, ohh how are you launching the other process? You can also make a shell script to call umask 0111 before launching the process, that'll work too.
[17:09] <cristian_c> Hi
[17:09] <_nix_> cristian_c, hey
[17:09] <cristian_c> I've purchased a serial to usb adapter
[17:09] <_nix_> cristian_c, eep
[17:09] <cristian_c> _nix_, hello
[17:09] <cristian_c> I've tried it with a serial mouse, for example
[17:10] <shreezbot_> _nix_, It is getting launched by "/etc/init.d/couchpotato start"
[17:10] <cristian_c> I've tried the mdetect command
[17:10] <_nix_> shreezbot_, oh cool. You can edit the init script to achieve this
[17:10] <cristian_c> and the terminal has returned intellimouse
[17:11] <cristian_c> then, I've set intellimouse protocol with the inputattach command
[17:11] <cristian_c> I've found a new input device in xinput list
[17:11] <shreezbot_> _nix_, Sweet!  Thanks for all of your help with this!  :)
[17:11] <cristian_c> but I don't know how to enable it
[17:12] <glitsj16> kalon33: seems down here too for the moment, you can always use http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[17:12] <cristian_c> I've noticed a strange thing, also: if I disconnect the mouse, I see the new device in xinput list yet :O
[17:12] <_nix_> shreezbot_, :)
[17:12] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[17:12] <cristian_c> :)
[17:13] <kalon33> glitsj16, thanks, didn't know that one :)
[17:14] <ddsss> what skype alternative do you guys use if any?
[17:14] <ObrienDave> kalon33, or, select a different mirror
[17:14] <TJ-> arunkumar413: Did you do "pragma foreign_keys = ON;" for the database?
[17:14] <ObrienDave> ddsss, there is no skype alt. afaik
[17:15] <kalon33> ObrienDave, I did that, but it doesn't solve the server problem
[17:15] <ddsss> ObrienDave, jitsi?
[17:15] <ddsss> ObrienDave, https://prism-break.org/en/subcategories/linux-video-voice/
[17:16] <t-rex_> hi
[17:16] <arunkumar413> can we use libreoffice base to create sqlite db
[17:16] <Rick_> exit
[17:17] <kostkon> ddsss, viber? only 64bit deb atm
[17:17] <ddsss> kostkon, have you used it?
[17:18] <kostkon> ddsss, no
[17:18] <ddsss> kostkon, I guess I should have addedd: open-source
[17:18] <kostkon> ddsss, right
[17:19] <HiItsNick> which unix operation system should i install on my computer? specs processor: 1.8ghz ram 2gb graphic card nvdia geforce6200 turbochace
[17:19] <HiItsNick> sorry if its offtopic
[17:19] <litropy> _nix_, alright, everything looks good, and I'm ready to chown. Is it just:  chown myuser:mygroup *
[17:20] <_nix_> litropy, you want to do chown -R myuser:mygroup .. to apply it to everything inside as well
[17:20] <OerHeks> HiItsNick, try xubuntu
[17:21] <litropy> _nix_, that's for when I'm in the directory I just copied, right?
[17:21] <HiItsNick> ok.. im lagging on this machine..
[17:21] <HiItsNick> win7..
[17:21] <jos-z> quit for search
[17:21] <_nix_> litropy, right. You can supply a path to chown as well
[17:22] <litropy> _nix_, thx
[17:22] <HiItsNick> thanks oerheks
[17:22] <_nix_> litropy, :)
[17:24] <anonymous__> do you know how to hack a facebook account???
[17:25] <_nix_> Heh
[17:25] <ObrienDave> anonymous__, seriously?? ROFLMAO
[17:25] <_nix_> I know but I'm not telling
[17:25] <HiItsNick> i know
[17:25]  * _nix_ highfives HiItsNick.
[17:25] <anonymous__> please
[17:25] <HiItsNick> download rat.zip
[17:26] <HiItsNick> and run server.exe
[17:26] <phillyj> HiItsNick: mint? for your old pc
[17:26] <anonymous__> r u sure ur not hacking me with this
[17:26] <anonymous__> !!
[17:26] <HiItsNick> im using ubuntu for 3 years
[17:26] <HiItsNick> but my parents pc is running slowly
[17:27] <HiItsNick> and i want to suggest them a fast unix system
[17:27] <HiItsNick> i dont now what to install
[17:27] <HiItsNick> know*
[17:27] <_nix_> HiItsNick, how about.. lubuntu?
[17:27] <HiItsNick> hm lemme read a review about it
[17:28] <anonymous__> were to download rat.zip
[17:28] <OerHeks> Hacking is byond the scope of this channel, anonymous__ ( do not suggest those solutions here HiItsNick )
[17:28] <OerHeks> !ot
[17:29] <_nix_> I think we were just trolling xD
[17:29] <ObrienDave> anonymous__, you will NOT receive help for this topic here
[17:29] <anonymous__> from were
[17:29] <gordonjcp> OerHeks: s/hacking/cracking/
[17:29] <gordonjcp> tyvm
[17:30] <HiItsNick> anonymous join anonops
[17:30] <HiItsNick> not freenode
[17:31] <k1l> !lubuntu | HiItsNick
[17:31] <HiItsNick> thanks you guys
[17:34] <phillyj> HiItsNick: im using mint on a P4 HT 10 year old PC
[17:35] <jhutchins> !mint
[17:35] <actu> please can any one help im in desspret need to hack a facebook account?????
[17:35] <HiItsNick> does linux mint use the same commands as ubuntu?
[17:35] <HiItsNick> apt-install etc
[17:36] <k1l> actu: aka anonymous__  you were already told that this is forbidden here
[17:36] <ObrienDave> for the most part. not 100%
[17:36] <HiItsNick> actu
[17:36] <HiItsNick> pray to god 9 times a day
[17:36] <HiItsNick> and then u will receive a facebook account hacker
[17:37] <ObrienDave> lol
[17:37] <actu> i do pray to 12 times a day
[17:37] <HiItsNick> pray 9 times a day or die with a small penis
[17:37] <HiItsNick> god loves anal
[17:37] <gvo> Must be praying to the wrong god.
[17:37] <HiItsNick> i should know
[17:37] <gvo> Try Vishnu.
[17:38] <k1l> guys, lets keep it family friendly and to technical ubuntu support in here.
[17:38] <gordonjcp> ugh, "family friendly"
[17:38]  * Mongo44 agrees with k1l.
[17:38] <gordonjcp> offensive
[17:39] <bigbadben> when I compile something from source why is that the executable only works from that folder I compiled from but not from my path?
[17:40] <llutz> bigbadben: it relys on other files located in the srcdir?
[17:41] <TJ-> bigbadben: Maybe because it relies on other files with relative paths from the present working directory, or the executable directory?
[17:41] <llutz> bigbadben: check for the usage of relative pathers
[17:41] <llutz> -r
[17:43] <gvo> bigbadben: define "works"  Error message??
[17:46] <bigbadben> gvo I guess "works" means that if I click on the executable in that folder it will exectue but its not installed in my applications or anything like that
[17:46] <gvo> bigbadben: So you have to add it to your path or add it to your menu system.
[17:47] <gvo> bigbadben: depending on how you want to call it, or you could create a link on your desktop.  Your choice.
[17:48] <bigbadben> gvo, ok but when I apt-get something where does it get added I guess
[17:49] <gvo> Depends a lot on what your're adding.
[17:50] <gvo> If there is a script in the package to add it to the menu system, it'll go there, for instance.
[18:00] <mason-> Anyone here have any experience with Ubuntu's PPA for Native ZFS for Ubuntu? If so, what has your experience been?
[18:02] <Guest92157> ciao a tutti
[18:03] <Guest92157> !list
[18:07] <n1n0> hi. trying to share files between ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10. got ssh server and openssh, and when trying to browse the files from ubuntu 12 machine to ub.13, it works via Files-Connect to the server where I can choose between ftp, ssh... and manually enter IP, yet from 13 I cannot access 12, and the "Connect to server" window doesn't offer to choose between ssh,ftp...connection
[18:12] <veke> hello there, Is there a reason why a dameon won't start on my ubuntu 13.10 with error "Cannot assign requested address" ? i tried changing the port and looking at netstat if the port was busy but it's not
[18:13] <jhutchins> veke: Yes.
[18:13] <bekks> veke: Which daemon then?
[18:14] <gvo> permissions?
[18:14] <jhutchins> n1n0: There's an sshfs that's been intermittently available under fuse, but generally an ssh connection isn't browsable.
[18:14] <jhutchins> n1n0: cifs/samba is probably the easiest way to make it browsable.
[18:14] <bekks> gvo: Unavailability of the address configured most likely.
[18:15] <Pavelcz> Can Ubuntu 13.10 be upgraded to next version when it comes out ?
[18:15] <bekks> Pavelcz: Yes.
[18:15] <jhutchins> Pavelcz: Yes.
[18:15] <Pavelcz> Thanks. Already running on it ;)
[18:16] <n1n0> jhutchins samba was ok to connect to xp station, yet didn't recognize another ubuntu
[18:16] <n1n0> is there a way to downgrade 13 to 12 distro?
[18:17] <bekks> n1n0: No. You have to reinstall.
[18:17] <HiItsNick> can some1 tell me what exactly ubuntu tv is
[18:21] <veke> bekks, it's an uncommon daemon
[18:21] <veke> jhutchins, which ?
[18:22] <DJones> HiItsNick: This is probably the best place to look that up, http://www.ubuntu.com/tv/ Still something in development though
[18:23] <HiItsNick> i checked it but stil i cant understand what ubuntu tv is
[18:23] <HiItsNick> an app or a tv?
[18:23] <HiItsNick> dumb question.
[18:24] <jimgroth> hi
[18:24] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: it's a suite of applications, based around Ubuntu and the Unity desktop and intended for use as "smart TV" firmware
[18:24] <jimgroth> How would one go about resuming a disconnected SSH session?
[18:24] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: think along the lines of XBMC
[18:25] <gordonjcp> jimgroth: ssh to the box you got disconnected from, resume whatever you were doing
[18:25] <zx> hello.guys .i have  problem with __-i have a dangerous icon in my icon.remind me something need to update.but when i update.it show that can't download ?is there anyone can tell my why?what happende/
[18:25] <jimgroth> when connect again (using putty) it starts a new session.
[18:25] <gordonjcp> jimgroth: if you want stuff to stay working while you're disconnected, look into using screen or tmux
[18:25] <zx> ubuntu 12.0
[18:25] <zx> 12.10
[18:25] <jimgroth> thanks. Looking into to those. :)
[18:26] <gordonjcp> jimgroth: they're great
[18:26] <HiItsNick> is it possible to install it on my own tv?
[18:26] <HiItsNick> http://en.the-ghost.com/2012/01/how-to-install-ubuntu-tv-on-any-tv.html
[18:27] <lonewulf85> Hello I am having trouble logging into my PC, When I boot I get an error about my xserver Is there a way to coorect this from a live boot Ubuntu
[18:27] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: not really
[18:27] <HiItsNick> oh now i got it
[18:27] <HiItsNick> thanks you
[18:27] <gordonjcp> HiItsNick: you could install it on a PC, and stick it under your TV
[18:27] <zx> lonewulf85: is your name and password right?
[18:28] <HiItsNick> oh thanks you
[18:30] <lonewulf85> zx, It does not even get that far the screen freezes at the Ubuntu splash screen then flashes a warning about my Input, screen or graphics card.
[18:31] <demophobia> Does ubuntu 12.04 LTS not have a default Calendar app? I've searched Dash Home and it comes up empty.
[18:31] <lonewulf85> zx, I have tried running Xorg -configure and I get an error about the number of displays not being correct. It is on a netbook.
[18:31] <lonewulf85> demophobia, try clicking on the clock.
[18:32] <demophobia> lonewulf85, thank you, but I am looking for a replacement for iCalendar, coming from Mac OS X.
[18:33] <zx> demophobia:try comand order:
[18:33] <lonewulf85> demophobia, You can try searching the Ubuntu software center, as for a default built in one the clock is the only one that I know of.
[18:34] <demophobia> Thank you. zx, what do you mean "comand order"?
[18:34] <zx> i just have a guess
[18:35] <lonewulf85> zx, the driver that I need is an ati/radeon driver.
[18:35] <zx> demophobia
[18:35] <lonewulf85> zx, could something like this work if I replace the nvidia with ATI    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[18:35] <sam_> http://pastebin.com/9dX4BRY3      trying to repair my grub after reinstalling windows. can't figure out which sda I should choose. can somone give a hand?
[18:36] <lonewulf85> sam_, What is the order of your installation?
[18:36] <zx> be careful with your grub.sam_
[18:36] <zx> that can ruin you
[18:36] <zx> haha
[18:37] <sam_> lonewulf85 I had windows installed first then I installed ubuntu on another partition
[18:37] <sam_> if thats what you asking
[18:37] <zx> i have to sleep now ! goodbye guys
[18:37] <zx> sorry to lonewulf85 again
[18:37] <sam_> zx yeah ok will be carefull have messed up with grub afew times
[18:38] <zx> ok ok .good luck sam_
[18:38] <lonewulf85> sam_, then grub should have installed just fine, try booting into the live boot disc you used to install and the serach for installing GRUB form a live disc.
[18:39] <lonewulf85> sam_, on the internet.
[18:39] <sam_> so command sudo apt-get install grub????
[18:40] <sam_> oh no you are miss understanding I mean after ubuntu was installed I had to reinstall my windows for some reason now I don't have any grub installed
[18:40] <DJones> !grub | sam_ This should help with reinstalling grub after a windows install,
[18:40] <sam_> I know I have to install grub now please help me install my grub
[18:41] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[18:42] <alumno> lo
[18:44] <irc-5225225> I'm having issues with nmcli, connecting to my wireless router. It often drops out, or just doesn't work at all. I'm using a usb wireless adapter.
[18:44] <sam_> yeah thats the problem DJones after this command ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/   I get this result http://pastebin.com/uBsbhsAT
[18:45] <sam_> and non of those sda patitions look like linux
[18:46] <vik> my ubuntu was fine few hours before . after restart ubuntu logo comes and then just a blank screen . So can any one provide solution for this
[18:46] <vik> i think its problem with Radeon graphics driver
[18:46] <ObrienDave> !nomodeset | vik
[18:48] <Beldar> sam_, This tool has a script, the bootinfo summary that gives more detailed info run just it and paste, the url generated. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:49] <vik> but it was working fine for around a month .k thanks ubottu . will look into it
[18:51] <sam_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6652832/             here is the link from bootrepair
[18:53] <Beldar> sam_, I see no install partition, sda4 is an extended, the sda5 is a swap.
[18:53] <Beldar> windows is there no ubuntu or at least unallocated if it was
[18:53] <sam_> so you mean I have installed windows on ubuntu's sda
[18:54] <sam_> its unallocated I havn't mount it
[18:54] <Beldar> sam_, Only you would know that I see what is there now.
[18:54] <ObrienDave> sam_, sda is the first hard drive
[18:54] <ObrienDave> sda1 is first partition on first hard drive
[18:55] <Beldar> sam_, The extended is 285 gigs was ubuntu in there as a logical partition?
[18:56] <sam_> yes my ubuntu partition used to be 285 gigs there was a patition in there
[18:57] <douglarret> how can I mount my osx partition in r/w mode from 13.10?
[18:57] <Beldar> sam_, You can look at gparted on the live cd/usb it is either unallocated or gone from what I can see.
[18:57] <jhutchins> douglarret: What filesystem is it?
[18:58] <sam_> can you please give me the command I should use? I bit newbie
[18:58] <sam_> oh now I got what you mean
[18:58] <Beldar> sam_, gparted is a gui partitioner.
[18:59] <sam_> its unallocated. how can I allocate it?
[19:00] <Beldar> sam_, Not sure there is a fix, you have any backups?
[19:02] <sam_> nope no backup but last time this command worked (now it doesn't) http://pastebin.com/qM1GSUYe
[19:05] <Beldar> sam_, sda6 seems to have been in the extended, it is the unallocated as of now right?
[19:05] <sam_> oh by the way the ubuntuu that was installed on my system was 13.10 but my live usb is 12.04 . that shouldn't cause a problem right?
[19:06] <Beldar> sam_, not in general no.
[19:06] <sam_> now sda4 is unallocated (extended file system) not sda6  , sda6 exist no more (I don't know why)
[19:08] <irvingd_> Hi - quick q. I've recently done an apt-get upgrade which took me from 3.11.0-12-generic to 3.11.0-14-generic. I lost all sound and aplay -l is empty. Any clues on where to look?
[19:08] <sam_> I'm sorry I think my last sentence was unclear. sda6 doesn't exist anymore or at least I cannot mount it
[19:08] <sam_> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/mount: special device /dev/sda6 does not exist
[19:08] <Beldar> sam_, show a screenshot of gparted, I'm wondering if you understand the extended as a container for logicals.
[19:09] <michael2> I am having a weird issue with my video, xrandr is showing up as LVDS connected 1366x768+-32768+-32768 and I cannot change the mode of the video. Actual output of the video is weird shapes and patterns
[19:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: a lot of times when the kernel gets upgraded i've had to go and unmute and/or turn back up, all the sound channels
[19:10] <michael2> nevermind, fixed it....
[19:11] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: If I go in to alsamixer and attempt to select the HDMI audo device, it says 'This sound device does not have any controls'.
[19:11] <irvingd_> (didn't do that pre upgrade. Also errors in dmesg about 'hda-codec: No codec parser is available')
[19:12] <sam_> http://i.imgur.com/GJWFcLv.png
[19:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: okay, sounds like your problem is not what i've encountered when kernel gets upgraded... sorry. newer kernel has always still had the drivers working
[19:13] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: Thanks anyway! :)
[19:14] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: sure. what do you get if you do? --> lspci -v | grep HDMI
[19:15] <david38400> I am having problems with some DVD's. I originally converted Videos to DVD using my LG DVD recorder. This has recorded them all in a video_ts file format. Maybe something is wrong with my LG player now, but I can't get them to work on another DVD player that seems to play most formats. Is this format video_ts unique to LG which would mean I have to buy another player to watch these DVD's
[19:15] <Beldar> sam_, So sda4 is okay, the extended, it is the sda6 that is missing that is the unallocated and was a logical partition, the sda5 is unknown as well. Did you ever resolve the flexnet error in the mbr, from your link?
[19:15] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: Gives me: 1:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks/Whistler HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6000 Series]
[19:15] <sam_> no I never did
[19:16] <sam_> but anyway ubuntu started working well
[19:16] <sam_> before not now
[19:16] <sam_> I didn't need to fix flexnet error
[19:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> irvingd_: okay. i don't know how to help much more. but it looks like the kernel/os can at least see the device is there
[19:17] <constl> Hello, I'm trying to set a home laptop with Ubuntu and remote control it from my Mac. I'm running into some locale problems with python applications e.g. glances, mosh etc. Any hints?
[19:17] <neil> can anyone help new ubuntu user here
[19:17] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix: I'll keep digging :)  Thanks!
[19:17] <neil> flash player is not working in chromium
[19:17] <intrader> I hope this is a question that can be answered here. My tomboy application does not show a menu on ubuntu 12.04. How do I tell ubuntu to show menu for an application?
[19:17] <vik> ubottu : really thank u . It worked 8-)
[19:18] <Beldar> sam_, Cool, that was a problem for a bit, there are recovery apps, I would have everything there backed up before running however if needed.
[19:18] <vik> what Bot ?
[19:18] <david38400> Can I import from a DVD a video_ts format and convert to DVD? Any help please
[19:19] <sam_> http://pastebin.com/TU8Y8cNe         take a look at the result of this command. last time this command fixed all my problems but now this
[19:19] <vik> ubottu: if ur bot , then how could u give a exact solution
[19:19] <sam_> Thanks for helping me by the way
[19:19] <AcidRain2012> how can i search all directives recursively for files with " - " in their name?
[19:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i'm not familiar with using tomboy. does it normally have a menu that you are used to using?
[19:21] <mattintech> AcidRain2012: not sure if there is a better way... but:  sudo find / | grep " - "
[19:21] <Beldar> sam_, grub is in the OS now missing and the mbr, in conjuction they boot ubuntu and windows as well.
[19:21] <neil__> flash player wont work in chromium anyone help??
[19:21] <intrader> If I restart tomboy, the first tomboy window has a menu.
[19:22] <sam_> so what should I do?
[19:22] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "find / -name '*-*'  "
[19:22] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, sorry I answered without your nick
[19:22] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: oh, i see. have you tried hovering your mouse over the bar at the very top of the screen?
[19:23] <sam_> this thing never happens on my other laptop but this one keeps doing this . everytime I reinstall windows I have alot of problem with ubuntu :(
[19:23] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, yes. Once I close the first window, I loose the menu from any window related to tomboy notebooks
[19:23] <mojtaba> Hi, I just run the command sudo apt-get update, but I recieved this error message. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653041/
[19:23] <AcidRain2012> ok it works
[19:24] <mojtaba> Could you please let me know what should I do?
[19:24] <AcidRain2012> now i want to delete all files with '* - *'
[19:24] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: yeah, i hear you. i don't know what think. just thought i'd make sure you'd tried that
[19:25] <Muharrem> EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
[19:25] <Muharrem> ALLAHU EKBERRRRR!  LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!?
[19:25] <TJ-> sam_: How do you reinstall Windows? Using the recovery/reinstaller ?
[19:25] <FloodBot1> Muharrem: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:25] <zetheroo> nautilus is very slow for me ... using Ubuntu 13.10 ...
[19:25] <zetheroo> why is it that nautilus has to rebuild thumbnails in a folder where I was just in ...
[19:25] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: maybe try pressing 'alt' while tomboy has the focus... dunno
[19:25] <sam_> there is a preload of windows installed internaly on my laptop. I don't use a compact disk
[19:26] <AcidRain2012> find /media/Server2/My_Documents/Music -name '* - *' | rm  ??
[19:26] <TJ-> sam_: That is what I meant, and explains everything. That reinstaller usually *wipes* out everything else and rewrites the entire disk
[19:26] <AcidRain2012> how can i simulate this without doing it first?
[19:26] <sam_> Beldar do you have any solution to that?
[19:26] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know why do I get this error message? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653041/
[19:27] <Beldar> sam_, Is the preload manually reinstalled all it takes is a resize of that extended to break whats inside.
[19:27] <mojtaba> I can not run also chrom! (it is wired)
[19:27] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, not to start a 'unity war' but unity menus are a problem for me. For example, when I start vim, vim opens a window at the bottom right of the screen. To reach its menu, I must cursor all the way to the left corner. Do you know of a reason for the change?
[19:27] <AcidRain2012> find /media/Server2/My_Documents/Music -name '* - *' -exec rm -f?
[19:27] <sam_> I'm not following Beldar.
[19:28] <sam_> you mean I edit my preload of windows
[19:28] <mojtaba> mojtaba@mojtaba-Studio-1555:~$ [7930:7930:1228/142730:ERROR:process_singleton_linux.cc(900)] Failed to create socket directory.
[19:28] <mojtaba> [7930:7930:1228/142730:ERROR:chrome_browser_main.cc(1167)] Failed to create a ProcessSingleton for your profile directory. This means that running multiple instances would start multiple browser processes rather than opening a new window in the existing process. Aborting now to avoid profile corruption.
[19:28] <sam_> that seem very dangerous
[19:28] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "find /media/Server2/My_Documents/Music -name '*-*' -print" and check the list of files is correct, then replace "-print" with "-delete"
[19:29] <sam_> TJ when you say it wipes whole disk you don't mean just windows partition right? you mean whole hard drive?
[19:29] <david38400> No help today anyone with DVD formats please?
[19:29] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, alt does not do it - it pops up a command window.
[19:29] <AcidRain2012> TJ-, fail. deleted whole drive
[19:29] <mojtaba> Does anybody know what should I do?
[19:29] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: huh?
[19:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: nope. i can't say i've used the ubuntu/unity desktop for a while. i'm running 'trusty/testing' and the ubuntu/unity desktop is unstable. so i've been using kde
[19:29] <ClientAlive> Anyone up for a challenge? I'm a bit dumb on file/folder sharing between two users (me and someone else on the same computer). I've looked up some information and gottan as far as I can but I'm stuck now. Info is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653064/  <-- Can someone please help?
[19:30] <AcidRain2012> jk. lol
[19:30] <AcidRain2012> ok. how do i empty a directory. i got error directory not empty
[19:30] <Beldar> sam_, I see that, there is no easy fix here , no magic command, any recovery is not guaranteed, maybe a reinstall, and starting a backup system might be best.
[19:30] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "sudo rm -rf /sense/of/humour" :p
[19:30] <AcidRain2012> lol
[19:31] <sam_> :( that means I have to reistall ubuntu everytime I reinstall windows. that sucks
[19:31] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, sorry, I did no get your entire message and as there is no horizontal scroll in hexchat, I can't see the end of it
[19:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: nope. i can't say i've used the ubuntu/unity desktop for a while.
[19:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i'm running 'trusty/testing' and the ubuntu/unity desktop is unstable.
[19:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: so i've been using kde
[19:32] <mojtaba> I just run sudo apt-get update. but I recieved this message. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653097/
[19:32] <mojtaba> Please help
[19:32] <Beldar> sam_, Not necessarily, something is going wrong, my guess is user error. having multiple partitions and reinstalling to them or reloading an image have to be done correctly.
[19:33] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, how do you like it?
[19:33] <daftykins> mojtaba: i don't think that's an error, it's just ignoring those PPAs
[19:33] <TJ-> ClientAlive: Can I suggest a slightly different way of doing it, one I use? I create the directory "/home/all/" under which I put directories containing documents and files to be shared amongst all users (e.g. "/home/all/Manuals/") with "sudo chown -R tj:users /home/all" and then "chmod -R g+w /home/all", and all users added to the "users" group. I can symlink from each home directory to that at will with "ln -s /home/all/ ~/all"
[19:34] <mojtaba> daftykins: It was ok before I restart my laptop
[19:34] <ki7rw> why does my screen occassionally darken and i can't do anything? happens on more than 1 PC - version 12.04
[19:34] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i like it, kde 4.12.0 in trusty is very nice.
[19:34] <douglarret> jhutchins, how can I mount my osx (hfs or hfs+) partition in r/w mode from 13.10? Sorry my dad called me...
[19:34] <AcidRain2012> how to remove all empty directories?
[19:34] <mojtaba> daftykins: now I can not even run a browser! It gave me error or warning.
[19:34] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: "rmdir $DIRECTORY" for empty directories
[19:34] <sam_> I don't know Beldar but the preload on my computer doesn't give alot of options . I don't know how I can make an error in this
[19:35] <AcidRain2012> i dont think that will work...
[19:35] <daftykins> mojtaba: a browser playing up doesn't have anything to do with running an update 0o
[19:35] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: How about "find $START_DIR -type d -empty -delete" ?
[19:35] <sam_> Acer eRecovery manager has a certain path and doesn't allow me to pick partition. its very automatic
[19:35] <phillyj> can someone help me get this SATA optical drive working? Could it be conflicting with the IDE optical drives I got on it?
[19:35] <mojtaba> daftykins: I know, but I get both errors. May some file is locked up or something has happened.
[19:35] <TJ-> AcidRain2012: I recommend you "man find" first
[19:36] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Oh, am I supposed to be doing perms with user1:user2 rather than user:group?
[19:36] <daftykins> mojtaba: can you provide more info on the browser issue with an example in pictures or something?
[19:36] <glitsj16> intrader: you could try starting the apps you want to have old-skool menus in the app by prepending their start command with 'UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0'
[19:37] <TJ-> ClientAlive: No, $USER:$GROUP is correct. On my system I have the group "users" which I add each real user to
[19:37] <mojtaba> daftykins: I can initiate the browser from cmd and pastebin the warning here, if that works
[19:37] <TJ-> sam_: That recovery manager *usually* rewrites blindly assuming the disk has nothing valuable on it
[19:37] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Ok, I've named my group differently but I think I was shooting for what you said, no?
[19:38] <mojtaba> daftykins: I run chromium-browser, and received "[8085:8085:1228/143723:ERROR:process_singleton_linux.cc(900)] Failed to create socket directory.
[19:38] <mojtaba> [8085:8085:1228/143723:ERROR:chrome_browser_main.cc(1167)] Failed to create a ProcessSingleton for your profile directory. This means that running multiple instances would start multiple browser processes rather than opening a new window in the existing process. Aborting now to avoid profile corruption.
[19:38] <mojtaba> "
[19:38] <TJ-> ClientAlive: I think so... it makes sense to put the shared directory outside of any user's home directory because otherwise you'll have to deal with directory-traversal permissions
[19:39] <sam_> so is there any solution to that TJ? can I change my erecovery manager?? I'm tired of loosing all my data everytime I install windows . it also deletes my ubuntu partition
[19:39] <TJ-> ClientAlive: By default, other users cannot traverse your home directory or its sub-directories
[19:39] <mojtaba> daftykins: I just checked my home directory and the permission for my account are: drwx------. is this ok?
[19:39] <intrader> glitsj16, I don't know how to prepend something to a command of an application installed by ubuntu
[19:39] <TJ-> sam_: No, there isn't... Stop re-installing Windows!
[19:40] <daftykins> mojtaba: would you have done anything to change them? try renaming your chrome config folder to see if a fresh one works
[19:40] <TJ-> sam_: Take care of Windows... treat it like the invalid it is, like a 112 year old granny
[19:40] <Beldar> sam_, Some have a manual install option, I would look closer.
[19:40] <Sarah1> hi
[19:40] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, how do I try it?
[19:40] <mojtaba> daftykins: I did not do anything. I just run this command before: touch /forcefsck
[19:40] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: very carefully ;-)
[19:40] <sam_> you mean from Disk?
[19:40] <TJ-> sam_: Always keep your important data backed up on an external device of some type
[19:40] <glitsj16> intrader: you can just try from a terminal first if it gives you what you want, ie UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 tomboy .. if tomboy is the command, we can deal with changing things generally later on if it works
[19:41] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: you'd have to download the installer
[19:41] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Ahh! So, for a dir at /home/me/dirtoshare I would have to chown -R me:groupname /home/shine (or even * /home)? <-- which would not be good if that's the case.
[19:41] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: how long have you been using gnu/linux?
[19:41] <mojtaba> and when I restarted the laptop, it checked file system and said there is some error, press f to force for fix.
[19:41] <TJ-> ClientAlive: You've got it :)
[19:41] <mojtaba> I did it, and now I have these problems
[19:41] <ClientAlive> wow
[19:41] <ClientAlive> thx man
[19:42] <mojtaba> daftykins: and when I restarted the laptop, it checked file system and said there is some error, press f to force for fix. I did it, and now I have these problems
[19:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: running 'testing' might not be for someone who wants stability and the fewest amount of issues
[19:42] <sam_> ok Thanks Beldar and Tj. :)
[19:42] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, a long time, but I guess I am not one to pay attention to closely
[19:42] <Kihokki> Hi! What catalyst version fglrx-installer-experimental has? Is it 13.9?
[19:42] <TJ-> ClientAlive: The actual case would be you'd have to do "chown $USER:group /home/$USER && chmod g+x /home/$USER" to allow the user's group access
[19:43] <bekks> Kihokki: apt-cache policy fglrx-installer-experimental
[19:43] <daftykins> mojtaba: hrmm, i'm not sure if there's really an issue on the update front but you can try the chrome clean profile test i mentioned to see if it'll fix that one
[19:43] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, earlier versions (8.04) allowed me to start kde
[19:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: if you're wanting it to try it you'd go here...
[19:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[19:44] <ClientAlive> TJ-: Think I did those things. Can I pm you some confidential?
[19:44] <Kihokki> bekks: Sorry I don't have any Ubuntu around me because had a GPU+HDD failure
[19:44] <mojtaba> daftykins: Do you know what does it mean: "W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock "
[19:45] <sam_> Beladas you said there isn't any easy solution . if you know any website anything I can google for any kind of solution please tell me
[19:45] <mojtaba> daftykins: and this one: "E: Couldn't create temporary file to work with /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_saucy_Release - mkstemp (30: Read-only file system)
[19:45] <mojtaba> "
[19:45] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, I 'll save that for reference - thanks
[19:45] <TJ-> ClientAlive: I have to go make dinner here now, sorry, but if you have allowed that kind of access to your home directory I'd recommend reversing it and using a location outside outside anyone's home dir, as I outlined
[19:45] <Kihokki> bekks: can you give me the output?
[19:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: np, yw
[19:45] <Kihokki> I'm using my phone now to irc
[19:45] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: has your root filesystem been mounted as read only?
[19:45] <sam_> I'm sure I can learn it from forums and websites if I know what to look for
[19:46] <ClientAlive> I think I'll make another logical vol for this. Thanks man. Enjoy your dinner.
[19:46] <daftykins> mojtaba: it almost sounds like your disk is read only, can you pastebin the output of "mount" ?
[19:46] <Guest98811> Hey how's it going everyone? I am using a Dell N4010 with Ubuntu 13.10 installed. Everything works great but the keyboard keys that adjust the screen brightness. (it isn't the computer because it works on Windows) I am able to adjust the brightness with the terminal but I really don't want to have to do that everytime i have to change my brightness. Is there a way someone can help me
[19:46] <mojtaba> hitsujiTMO: I do not know, how can I check that.
[19:46] <mojtaba> daftykins: what is the full command for mount?
[19:47] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: as daftykins pastebin the output of : mount
[19:47] <daftykins> mojtaba: just type it on its' own
[19:47] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: as daftykins said* pastebin the output of : mount
[19:47] <mojtaba> hitsujiTMO: daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653177/
[19:48] <sam_> Beladas you said there isn't any easy solution . if you know any website anything I can google for any kind of solution please tell me
[19:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: you should ask about your tomboy problem again.
[19:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: someone else might know what's up
[19:49] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: same with your vim question
[19:49] <daftykins> hitsujiTMO: hrmm i don't have enough experience for mojtaba's query, there's evidence there as if the FS is read only but it looks like none are mounted 'ro' there
[19:50] <mojtaba> daftykins: hitsujiTMO: Do you know what should I do? :(
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> daftykins: yeah, i see the same
[19:50] <intrader> glitsj16, thanks, I don't know whether it works; as I said above, when I restart tomboy it has the menu. It disappears when I close the main subwindow of tomboy
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> mojtaba: can you pastebin the output of: dmesg
[19:51] <daftykins> perhaps the disk check with the encrypted home caused complications?
[19:51] <intrader> WhatIsTheMatrix, thanks for help. I will
[19:51] <daftykins> certainly sounds like it fried your chrome profile
[19:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: okay, cool :)
[19:51] <mojtaba> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653196/
[19:51] <cli3nt> hi
[19:51] <Beldar> sam_, At this point your relying on a recovery partition on the HD for windows, with no backups right?
[19:51] <glitsj16> intrader: np, did you try starting tomboy from a terminal with 'UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 tomboy' yet to see if that changes anything?
[19:52] <sam_> no backups
[19:52] <glitsj16> intrader: that command should disable the global menu for all tomboy windows
[19:52] <sam_> and I'm asking for recovery of my ubuntu not solution for erecovery manager
[19:53] <daftykins> hitsujiTMO: ah-ha good call, looks like the drive is nerf'd
[19:53] <daftykins> mojtaba: your disk looks to be faulty
[19:53] <intrader> glitsj16, no change
[19:53] <daftykins> mojtaba: can you run disk utility and screenshot your SMART status?
[19:53] <Beldar> sam_, If that windows license is important to you I would get all of it backed up, before doing any recovery attempts.
[19:54] <sam_> ok my activation key is writen on back of my laptop
[19:55] <Beldar> sam_, I having to repeat myself here, and this is really user awareness stuff, any HD can fail at any time alone.
[19:55] <sam_> product key I mean: that should work I think
[19:55] <glitsj16> intrader: that's probably another problem then with tomboy, can you try the same command, but now with vim, just to see if you can disable the global menu in general?
[19:55] <sam_> its ok tell me
[19:56] <Beldar> I have twice get backed up
[19:56] <Beldar> sam_, I would ask in ##windows on imaging/cloning the windows partitions
[19:59] <sam_> I should change my chanel to windows you mean?? unlikely that they help because right now I can't login windows. grub won't load so I can't continue to windows. and if I recover MBR there will be no hope to recover ubuntu grub
[19:59] <intrader> glitsj16, oops, by vim disappeared on account of my executing `sudo apt-get remove python` - disastrous - I have reinstalled the desktop, but a lot was deleted.
[20:00] <sabahang> Hi I provided a wrong email address to NickServ for registration, any idea how to change it?/reregister using the same username?
[20:00] <cheesecakes> sabahang: try #freenode
[20:00] <xangua> sabahang: /join #freenode
[20:00] <intrader> glitsj16, I did not know that ubuntu runs on python
[20:00] <glitsj16> intrader: hmm, removing python can get you in serious trouble indeed ..
[20:00] <bonsu> when you make a new user account must i also create the user folder?
[20:01] <sabahang> thanks, I'll ask there
[20:01] <cheesecakes> bonsu: not necessary but if the new user needs login access, you need a home dir
[20:01] <hitsujiTMO> bonsu: not if you use adduser.  useradd only creates account tryies.
[20:01] <hitsujiTMO> entries*
[20:02] <glitsj16> intrader: have you reinstalled python yet?
[20:02] <cheesecakes> hmm my arch doesn't have adduser
[20:02] <cheesecakes> ok
[20:02] <Cajunfiend> i dont understand why ubuntu updater cant connect to ppa
[20:03] <intrader> glitsj16, during the process of reloading desktop, it installed python2.7.3 - I wanted 4.0
[20:03] <Guest98811> Anyone have any idea?
[20:03] <nikcsareb> Hi where should I report for unsupported hardware?
[20:03] <OerHeks> Cajunfiend, what ubuntu version and what ppa?
[20:03] <bonsu> i used useradd but without the option "-d" and now i cant login it bounce me back to the login menu
[20:03] <Cajunfiend> 13.10
[20:03] <cheesecakes> Guest98811: does anyone have any idea about what?
[20:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: you wanted python4.0?
[20:03] <Cajunfiend> wont connect to the ppa.launchpad.net
[20:04] <Cajunfiend> says there's somethign wrong with my connection but obviously not since im here
[20:04] <cheesecakes> bonsu: you can login as another user with root privs
[20:04] <intrader> glitsj16, yes - to try some of the new stuff
[20:04] <cheesecakes> and then : mkdir /home/newuser
[20:04] <OerHeks> Cajunfiend, connects fine here
[20:05] <glitsj16> intrader: just for reference on the global menu issue, look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/10481/how-do-i-disable-the-global-application-menu later, i'd suggest testing your regular apps and the ubuntu in general to see if python is okay first
[20:05] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: ubuntu-minimal requires 3.3. once you go beyond ubuntu-standard, most scripts requires 2.7
[20:05] <bonsu> that's the only account i have
[20:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> intrader: i don't think there is python4.0. even in trusty/testing python3.4 just got released
[20:05] <Cajunfiend> im trying to get rid of the ! in my taskbar it says theres a problem updating
[20:05] <cheesecakes> bonsu: with what account did you create that user?
[20:05] <bonsu> root
[20:06] <cheesecakes> ok so login with root
[20:06] <TJ-> bonsu: Use "usermod -d ..." to set the correct home directory
[20:06] <nikcsareb> Hi my laptop has two batteries and it shut down when one of them is on 3%
[20:06] <geirha> bonsu: And in the future, use adduser rather than useradd
[20:06] <Guest98811> cheesecakes,  hey how's it going? I am using a Dell N4010 with Ubuntu 13.10 installed. Everything works great but the keyboard keys that adjust the screen brightness. (it isn't the computer because it works on Windows) I am able to adjust the brightness with the terminal but I really don't want to have to do that everytime i have to change my brightness. Is there a way someone can help me
[20:06] <intrader> glitsj16, so I realize that I am limping along - it is 3.0.4
[20:07] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO so I realize that I am limping along - it is 3.0.4
[20:07] <demophobia> Does ubuntu have a "zoom" feature like Mac OS X where I can zoom in and magnify a portion of the screen?
[20:07] <phillyj> con someone help me figure out why only one of my 3 ODDs can read a CD, even though all 3 show up in BIOS?
[20:08] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: for what exactly do you need a specific version of python for? 99% OF 3.0 scripts will rin on 3.3
[20:08] <bonsu> ok ty
[20:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info xzoom | demophobia
[20:08] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO brings to mind that I probably should reinstall without wiping /home
[20:08] <glitsj16> intrader: better follow hitsujiTMO on the python issue, i messed that up once before too and had to reinstall
[20:09] <Beldar> sam_, as of now you have no ubuntu, grub is dead without it's install or recovery, any recovery attempt should be made if you secure windows, if it's important to you.
[20:09] <xangua> demophobia: if you are using unity, just install compiz settings manager in software center and you can enable and edit the 'Magnifier' plugin
[20:09] <demophobia> Thank you!
[20:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: python installations are pretty tricky eh?
[20:09] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO: how to reinstall without messing up /home
[20:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> demophobia: sure, yw
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: you can install as many versions of python as you want. just symlink them seperately in /usr/bin
[20:09] <cheesecakes> Guest98811: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2145241&p=12648279#post12648279
[20:10] <glitsj16> WhatIsTheMatrix: very much so indeed, got stung and even now i don't have a grip on it
[20:10] <demophobia> compiz settings manager magnifier plugin > xzoom?
[20:10] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: is /home a seperate partition?
[20:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: rgr that. i've run into some pretty tricky installations before. been there
[20:10] <intrader> glitsj16, hitsujiTMO, WhatIsTheMatrix : It needs a better dependency manager to prevent this disaster
[20:10] <nikcsareb> i can boot it
[20:10] <TJ-> intrader: Each version of python has its own executable named "/usr/bin/pythonX.Y" and "/usr/bin/python" is sym-linked to the system-preferred version used by system scripts.
[20:11] <glitsj16> intrader: that or less fiddling :p
[20:11] <nikcsareb> but it hibernates because one of the batteries is at 3%
[20:11] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: it warns you quite clearly that its about to uninstall the system
[20:11] <TJ-> intrader: You can run whichever version of the python interpreter you wish using e.g. "python3" or "python3.3" if the packages for those are installed
[20:12] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I did not see the warming. but then... wow I was aghast!
[20:12] <nikcsareb> hibernate looo
[20:12] <nikcsareb> loop
[20:12] <TJ-> intrader: If you have python scripts that absolutely require a particular version, then add a shebang line - the first line of the script would be e.g.  "#/usr/bin/python3.3"
[20:12] <nikcsareb> it is plugged to AC
[20:13] <intrader> TJ-, I realize that now
[20:13] <jj1234> what's the best way to create a network 'chroot' type environment short of going full OS virtualization with say qemu?
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: if your /home is not on a separate partition. i'd boot a live cd and nuke everything other that /home ... then install to the same partition without formatting
[20:13] <nolrai_26> So I added a .pam_environment to add a path to my $PATH and now when ever I try to log in it boots me back out to the log in screen. Anyway I can get rid of that file with out logging in?
[20:13] <nolrai_26> (or log in)
[20:13] <Guest98811> cheesecakes, brb got to restart for the change
[20:14] <hitsujiTMO> jj1234: debootstrap is prob what you're looking for
[20:14] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, /home is not in a separate partition
[20:14] <jj1234> can I setup network interfaces as well?
[20:14] <jj1234> my big picture goal is to create a network of several hosts and test software with traffic shaping 'tc'
[20:15] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: then boot a live cd. nuke everything other than /home and reinstall to the same partition but choose not to format
[20:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nolrai_26: you could boot up to live/rescue cd/usb and mount/access the hard drive from that
[20:15] <jj1234> but I'd like to keep my resource utilization as low as possible...i.e. avoid VMs if I can
[20:15] <geirha> nolrai_26: reboot, hold down shift, select the recovery line from the menu that appears, choose root-shell, then fix it from there
[20:15] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I have /home saved by the backup application
[20:15] <nolrai_26> Thanks!
[20:15] <TJ-> jj1234: You need to use Linux cgroups, aka containers aka LXC
[20:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nolrai_26: perhaps what geirha said will work
[20:16] <geirha> nolrai_26: *hold down shift during the early boot sequnce, until a menu appears
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> jj1234: virtualisation overhead is usually pretty minimal, but if you want to avoid the vms then LXC would be the best option as TJ- said
[20:17] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, rmdir each directory?
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: rm -r
[20:18] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, rm -r thanks
[20:18] <jj1234> ok, I'll check it out...thanks
[20:18] <jj1234> i suppose I can give them multiple network interfaces and do fancy routing between them?
[20:19] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, by the way, does it really warn me that removing python is such a bad thing?
[20:19] <TJ-> jj1234: See e.g.  http://www.nsnam.org/wiki/HOWTO_Use_Linux_Containers_to_set_up_virtual_networks
[20:21] <irvingd_> WhatIsTheMatrix, sudo apt-get remove oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms - problem solved :)
[20:21] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: it lists the packages that will also be removed. So you should see a wall of text with 99% of the packages installed on your system
[20:21] <TJ-> jj1234: This might get you jump-started: http://containerops.org/2013/11/19/lxc-networking/
[20:22] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, why not use C++ or C instead of python?
[20:23] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, perhaps that is the reason ubuntu is slow vs. suse
[20:23] <omega14> I need the default apache2.config file
[20:24] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: because these are simple, user editable scripts that gain minimal speed when switching to c.
[20:24] <vik> should i reinstall all software after upgrading to new ubuntu
[20:25] <TJ-> omega14: Depending on version, you should find it at "/usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2/" or very similar
[20:25] <phillyj> vik: why?
[20:25] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, make sense - it is an easier language to learn and use.
[20:25] <phillyj> vik: isn't it a fresh install?
[20:26] <vik> i am going to upgrade to 13.10 . should i install apps like chrome and others after upgrade
[20:26] <vik> i am using 13.04 now
[20:26] <intrader> vik, careful, I tried 13.10 with disastrous consequences - very unstable
[20:27] <phillyj> vik: if it's not part of the distro, then you will have to install it
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> intrader: and ubuntu is certainly not slow in comparison to suse. the slowness you're prob talking about is just the unity DE. Switching to a DE thot doesn't use soo many resources like whats used in suse would show a huge difference in speed
[20:27] <vik> then is it good to be with 13.04
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> vik: 13.04 is EOL next month
[20:28] <vik> what does EOL means ?
[20:28] <vik> i am new to ubuntu
[20:28] <hitsujiTMO> !eol > vik
[20:28] <phillyj> vik, end of life
[20:28] <Bashing-om>  vik; Are you contemplating a clean install from liveMedium, or on-line upgrade to 13.10 ?
[20:28] <vik> online upgrading
[20:29] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, that makes sense - I did not like the change to unity - too many slow downs and laptop overheating problems
[20:29] <phillyj> my ssh connectivity is sporadic and right now, my characters don't show up on the ssh login terminal screen
[20:29] <phillyj> any ideas?
[20:30] <vik> k can any one tell should i upgrade to 13.10
[20:30] <Bashing-om>  vik: I have done 2 on-line upgrades to 13.10, no problem ! .. 13.10 is faster than 13.04.
[20:31] <vik> would i keep my apps ?
[20:31] <vik> would it keep my apps ?
[20:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: i don't see why not. you'll find out though
[20:31] <hitsujiTMO> vik: you'll need to reinstall non repo apps most likely
[20:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: what hitsujiTMO said
[20:32] <Bashing-om>  vik: here's the deal, diable your 3rd pary PPAs, and any screensaver, do the upgrade and then re-enable the PPAs, and again update the system.
[20:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: otherwise, what you'll get is newer versions of your apps, unless as hitsujiTMO said, they are non-repo apps
[20:32] <vik> i am a mozilla developer . i had setup mozilla build . should i build again
[20:32] <Calinou> third party repos are automatically disabled before an upgrade, normally
[20:33] <WhatIsTheMatrix> vik: yes, after upgrading i would think... in order to link it to the newer libc6 and other libs
[20:34] <vik> is there any solution
[20:34] <Bashing-om>  vik: There is always the rsik of something going wrone, In all my on-line upgrades, all my files and configs have been kept - no problem, just disable the 3rd party PPAs prior to upgrading.
[20:34] <intrader> All: most interesting conversation. It applies to my problem.
[20:35] <hitsujiTMO> vik: if you are using the system for dev you should stick to the LTS versions, unless you absolutely need a feature in a non-lts version
[20:36] <ceed^> Hi, how can I enable to grub menu when I boot so I can choose which kernel to boot? Now it just boots the newest kernel, but I want to be able to choose. I'm running 13.10 x64
[20:36] <hitsujiTMO> ceed^: there should be a list of available kernels in advanced menu
[20:37] <Bashing-om> ceed: from a cold boot, as soon as the bios screen clears, depress and hold the shift key -> grub boot menu (non UEFI !).
[20:37] <vik> k how to disable PPA
[20:37] <ceed^> hitsujiTMO, but I am not getting a menu at all, it just boots directly using the newest kernel.
[20:38] <phillyj> you got to be kidding me, ssh won't work if a vga cable is plugged into the port??
[20:38] <vik> Bashing-om : so ur telling me to use 12.04
[20:38] <phillyj> i hate linux sometimes
[20:38] <hitsujiTMO> ceed^: as Bashing-om you need to hit either left-shift - right-shift or esc immediately after bios screen
[20:38] <Calinou> phillyj, you shouldn't
[20:39] <Bashing-om>  vik: Easiest way to disable is from the U Software Center -> Other Software, uncheck the boxes.
[20:39] <Calinou> why wouldn't ssh not work because of that?
[20:39] <hitsujiTMO> phillyj: thats most definately not the case
[20:39] <ceed^> hitsujiTMO, I will try that, but I would prefer to have it so that I get the menu every time. I know there's a setting in grub's config for that but I can't remember what it is.
[20:39] <phillyj> Calinou: i have no idea, some kind of input redirect i think
[20:39] <Cdunn700> hello can anyone help me please?
[20:39] <Calinou> you're probably doing something wrong
[20:39] <Calinou> I can ssh to a machine using VGA or DVI screen just fine
[20:39] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !ask | Cdunn700
[20:40] <phillyj> Calinou: it was just the cable, not connected to the monitor
[20:40] <Cdunn700> oh ok im just wondering i have built a new computer and i have a gtx 760 graphics card will i have issues with it in ubuntu
[20:40] <Cdunn700> ?
[20:40] <Cdunn700> or isit easy to get properietry drivers for it
[20:40] <Cdunn700> thanks
[20:40] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, from live CD, where do I see the directories?
[20:40] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I connected the network cable and this window is not updating
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> ceed^: you need to change the relevant option in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[20:40] <phillyj> Cdunn700: i think you're supposed to use the nvidia drivers for best results
[20:41] <ceed^> hitsujiTMO, thanks, I will try that.
[20:41] <Cdunn700> how would i install them on ubuntu gnome
[20:41] <Cdunn700> just download the linux driver from the website
[20:41] <Bashing-om>  vik: Well if it is a development enterprise, I would highly value stability and Long Term Support, currently that is 12.04 // Next LTS is 14.04 due out next April !
[20:41] <Cdunn700> because last time i had a amd and had to do legacy drivers and it was a nightmare
[20:41] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, I will be reinstalling as described.
[20:42] <hitsujiTMO> Cdunn700: copy it to ~/.themes
[20:42] <Cdunn700> ?
[20:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> lol
[20:42] <sam_> ok I used testdisk software now I have all my ubuntu driver shown in home folder from live usb. however I still cannot login my ubuntu. and my gparted looks ugly (http://i.imgur.com/t1Qeea7.png) what have I done???!!
[20:43] <vik> Bashing-om : April 2014 ?
[20:43] <phillyj> Cdunn700: go to settings > additional drivers
[20:43] <hitsujiTMO> Cdunn700: sorry. "how would i install them on ubuntu gnome" was thinking you meant themes for a sec. you should install nvidia-319
[20:43] <Cdunn700> ok well i havnt installed it yet
[20:44] <Cdunn700> the ubuntu as i was seeing
[20:44] <Cdunn700> if it had alot of issues
[20:44] <Cdunn700> as i like gaming
[20:44] <phillyj> check it out to see if its there, Cdunn700
[20:44] <Cdunn700> and linux will have more games ported in the new year
[20:44] <Cdunn700> can i check it out using the live cd demo
[20:45] <Cdunn700> or from installing it?
[20:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Cdunn700: i don't think you can check out the nvidia-319 driver when running  a live install cd/usb
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> Cdunn700: for proprietary drivers its best to install
[20:45] <intrader> hitsujiTMO, with the python removal I also lost vimeo capability
[20:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Cdunn700: i think you'll need to actually install gnu/linux
[20:45] <Cdunn700> ah okay
[20:46] <Cdunn700> ill have to try it this weekend
[20:46] <Cdunn700> cheers guys
[20:46] <Cdunn700> see ya
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> WhatIsTheMatrix: you can, but theres quite a bit of effort to get it up without having to reboot
[20:46] <phillyj> Cdunn700: go to your synaptic manager and install nvidia-current
[20:46] <Bashing-om> ceed^; Yes indeed for the grub edits: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 .
[20:46] <sam_> I think I'm one big step closer to recovering my ubuntu just need a bit of help
[20:48] <dougl> why can't I mount my hfsplus partition in read write mode in 13.10 according to a multitude of google results on the subject say the same thing I am doing but still cannot write to my OSX partition.
[20:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hitsujiTMO: ohh, roger. it can be done, but quite a hassle then, i take it
[20:48] <sam_> Beladas you still there?
[20:48] <phillyj> can someone help me get a cd drive working? only one of the 2 IDE drives works even though they both show in bios
[20:48] <dougl> it gives me an error saying is mounted in read only mode
[20:50] <sam_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653468/
[20:50] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: you need to disable the journal in osx afaik which is not recommended
[20:50] <Bashing-om> sam_; State your problem.
[20:50] <sam_> just check one little step is left
[20:50] <atari> hi
[20:50] <dougl> hitsujiTMO, good to know = thank you :)
[20:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hello
[20:51] <atari> does anyone feel like doing a oocalc test for me?
[20:51] <sam_> Bashing -om I had windows 7 and ubuntu 13.10 on different partitions. had to reinstall my windows. the erecovery process erased my ubuntu partition.
[20:52] <sam_> I used testdisk software to recover that partition
[20:52] <dougl> hitsujiTMO, do you know how to mount ext3 partition in osx?
[20:52] <hadifarn_> how can I see user's last login? is there a command for that?
[20:52] <sam_> now I think somone with better knowledge can help me recover my grub and ubuntu
[20:52] <sam_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653468/
[20:52] <dougl> I googled that with fruitless results too
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: i dont i'm afraid. not an osx user.
[20:53] <dougl> hitsujiTMO, thanks
[20:53] <dougl> :)
[20:53] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: looks like 'lastlog'
[20:53] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: last time i used osx + linux i used exfat as an intermediate filesystem
[20:53] <Bashing-om> sam_; Let's work with tools I am familiar with, give me a pasty of terninal code: -> sudo fdisk -lu <- Too see the partitions.
[20:53] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: i got them from -->  apropos user | grep login
[20:54] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: i got that* from -->  apropos user | grep login
[20:54] <hadifarn_> thanks WhatIsTheMatrix
[20:54] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hadifarn_: sure, yw
[20:55] <hadifarn_> dougl: you need to work on your googling skills. use OSX Fuse. there must be a plugin for ext3
[20:55] <sam_> to Bashing -om         http://pastebin.com/77g7Lk1b
[20:58] <Bashing-om> sam_: good news; your partition is still there "/dev/sda5       694587392<PHONE_NUMBER>   265929728   83  Linux". No can boot is the problem ?
[20:58] <sam_> yes I still can't boot into ubuntu
[20:59] <sam_> I see grub rescue page when I reboot my pc
[20:59] <phunyguy> which package, when removed, gets rid of the "available/away/offline/etc" list in the envelope?  I want to keep the apps there, but get rid of the availability entries
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> sam_: erm... if thats mbr partition then thats an invalid partition table
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> sam_: is this a pc or mac?
[21:00] <sam_> what do you mean hitsujiTmo? its pc
[21:00] <nikcsareb> hi Where can i report hardware issues ? (touchpad)
[21:00] <hitsujiTMO> sam_: you have 6 primary partition... mbr only supports 4
[21:00] <sam_> I can see my files from ubuntu system they are not gone but I cannot login ubuntu because I don't have grub
[21:01] <Bashing-om> sam_: sorry, We are looking at Windows as dynamically partitioned, out of my shere of knowledge "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT", hang loose see if those who know about HPFS can help .
[21:02] <sam_> ok hitsujiTMo see this screenshot please     http://i.imgur.com/t1Qeea7.png
[21:02] <sam_> I can see the partition in home folder from live usb but the gparted shows no partition. is that what you mean with this?
[21:03] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[21:04] <sam_> ok I think boot repair will fix this problem now
[21:04] <trism> phunyguy: it's not a package, there is an entry in the apps .desktop file that enables it
[21:05] <trism> phunyguy: X-MessagingMenu-UsesChatSection=true
[21:05] <phunyguy> thanks
[21:05] <phunyguy> trism: which .desktop file?
[21:05] <trism> phunyguy: which app?
[21:06] <phunyguy> trism: I think you are getting what I want backwards
[21:06] <phunyguy> I want the apps to be there, but not the available/away/etc stuff
[21:06] <trism> phunyguy: it is enabled on a per app basis, for instance I grabbed that line from pidgin's
[21:07] <phunyguy> I do not have that in my pidgin.desktop
[21:07] <phunyguy> (12.04, Xubuntu)
[21:08] <phunyguy> ahh wait
[21:08] <phunyguy> missed it
[21:08] <Bashing-om> sam_: Exercise care ! .. Best I am aware of Windows' dynamic partitioning, Ubuntu does not deal with it (proprietary to Windows), a real challenge and a hassle to change back to GPT of msdos partitioning !
[21:08] <phunyguy> wait, nope, wrong thing.
[21:08] <phunyguy> yeah I don't have it.
[21:08] <trism> phunyguy: well it's new in quantal, so on 12.04 it is different
[21:09] <bonsu> how to use adduser and useradd '
[21:09] <phunyguy> trism: ok.  and this enables.disables the availability portions of the menu?
[21:09] <phunyguy> because this still doesn't make any sense to me
[21:09] <sam_> I see . ok bootrepair is done I'm restarting to see the result. will be back
[21:09] <trism> phunyguy: in 12.10+, not in 12.04
[21:10] <phunyguy> the reason I ask, is because I have an icon theme that I really like, and that is the ONLY thing that doesn't work.  ;)
[21:10] <phunyguy> and I remember previos versions of xubuntu not having that part of the menu.  Just the apps listed.
[21:11] <trism> phunyguy: there may have been a separate package in the 12.04- version but I don't really remember
[21:12] <chocapic> Hey, do you know a package on which I could use skype?
[21:13] <Jazayri> Want to capture traffics from the computer of my brother ! Wireshark ?
[21:13] <EMKO|2> i updated to 13.04 and on boot i get kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on  unknown block(0,0) any way to fix this?
[21:14] <geirha> bonsu: sudo adduser newusername
[21:14] <TJ-> Jazayri: Depends upon the network topology, generally, with switches, you'd need to capture at the switch/router, you can't do it from another PC (unless both are using 802.11b/g/a)
[21:14] <bonsu> ok but i have to create a home folder how ?
[21:15] <bonsu> adduser -d /home/newusername but it says " adduser  not found "
[21:15] <Rory> bonsu: if you use the "adduser" command, the home directory will automatically be created
[21:16] <sam_> ok my ubuntu is back now. however its abit different now I can see my windows recovery partition. and there are two windows 7 loader on grub page
[21:16] <Rory> bonsu: sudo adduser fred
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> bonsu: whats the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:16] <bonsu> im using root now
[21:16] <Jazayri> TJ-: we are using wireless card ! Two TP links wireless card
[21:17] <geirha> bonsu: adduser creates homedir and such by default; it's a wrapper around the more primitive useradd command
[21:17] <demon^eye> just want to know ... does Mint share same update server with ubuntu?
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: sounds like your in some sort of shared vps environment. you should look up your hosting providers info for any particulars thats needed during an upgrade
[21:17] <Rory> demon^eye: Yes and no; it uses the base Ubuntu repositories but has a separate repository as well.
[21:17] <Rory> !mint | demon^eye
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: no 2 completely different distros
[21:18] <geirha> bonsu: so just  ''adduser newusername''  no options or anything.
[21:18] <TJ-> Jazayri: See http://sandilands.info/sgordon/capturing-wireless-lan-with-ubuntu-tcpdump-kismet
[21:18] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO: its my htpc it has also another OS and that one works
[21:18] <bonsu> it doesn't work  adduser comand not found
[21:18] <demon^eye> ok , i am using Ubuntu
[21:18] <demon^eye> just want to know how thing works
[21:18] <WhatIsTheMatrix> bonsu: what happens if you do? --> sudo apt-get install adduser
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: are you using virtulisation?
[21:19] <EMKO> no
[21:19] <EMKO> i just choose in grub what os i want to use
[21:19] <Jazayri> TJ-: Thank you
[21:19] <EMKO> just after update ubuntu doesnt want to work
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> emko to what extent were you using VFS then?
[21:20] <demon^eye> so what i understand if update available to ubunto , its doesnt mean it will be available for mint or Zorin , even they are based on them ? am i correct?
[21:20] <bonsu> ok ok the package of adduser wasn't install
[21:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> bonsu: okay
[21:20] <EMKO> i dont even know what that is so probably none
[21:20] <Rory> demon^eye: Honestly I don't think you'll get a proper answer here, you're better off asking in the mint/zorin/etc support channels
[21:20] <bonsu> ty guys
[21:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yw
[21:21] <OerHeks> demon^eye, how would we know?
[21:21] <demon^eye> Rory,  : well i just want to know technically side of it ...
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> demon^eye: you'd have to ask that in the mint forums. we know nothing of mint here
[21:22] <demon^eye> hitsujiTMO,  : me to LOL
[21:22] <TJ-> EMKO: Can you get into the GRUB boot men by holding down the shift key as the PC starts, and then selecting an older kernel version from the "Advanced..." menu?
[21:22] <EMKO> yes
[21:22] <TJ-> EMKO: Do all older kernels result in the same failure?
[21:22] <EMKO> that works but its a small window and no UI just the desktop image
[21:22] <TJ-> EMKO: OK... well that is progress, it gives you a way in to fix up the failed grub configuration
[21:23] <TJ-> EMKO: I recommend you do that and select an older kernel version *and* its Recovery option which will take you to a single-user root session
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: can you pastebin the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[21:23] <TJ-> EMKO: A comon cause is having a separate /boot/ partition and it running out of space
[21:25] <TJ-> EMKO: If you can get to a root shell, use "df" to see how much space is used on /boot/ ... if indeed there is a separate partition for /boot/
[21:25] <EMKO> ok i will try get the pastebin and check the space on boot
[21:25] <EMKO> i think there is i just cant remeber i did this long time ago
[21:26] <TJ-> EMKO: I know the feeling :)
[21:27] <chocapic> Do you know any package that could allow me to talk to people who are on skype?
[21:27] <EMKO> if i boot into my other OS openelec and ssh into it can i find out about all this ?  so i can do it from here
[21:27] <TJ-> EMKO: Yes... you'd need to discover which partition is the /boot/ partition though, and mount it manually
[21:28] <OerHeks> chocapic, there is a native linux skype client, in the partner repo or use the installer from their site, it will add their sources
[21:29] <chocapic> Okay, thanks, but what's the partner repo?
[21:31] <OerHeks> chocapic, you can enable it in softwarecenter > edit > sources
[21:31] <chocapic> OerHeks, and what's it for?
[21:31] <OerHeks> !partner
[21:32] <chocapic> Okay, thanks
[21:32] <OerHeks> skype is not free to distibute
[21:33] <chocapic> Ow, okay
[21:36] <kervan_> Hello, Is dist upgrade from version 10 to 13 safe and possible?
[21:36] <Seveas> there's no such thing as 'version 10' or 'version 13'
[21:37] <Seveas> there's 10.04, 10.10, 13.04 and 13.10. And direct dist-upgrades from any 10.x to 13.x are not supported
[21:38] <EMKO> TJ-: ok instead i just install openssh on ubunut now i have access from here any easy way to pastebin?
[21:38] <kervan_> thank you Seveas
[21:40] <OerHeks> !pastebinit
[21:40] <RozzyFriend> ji?
[21:40] <RozzyFriend> hi*
[21:40] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg && sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[21:42] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653710/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653711/
[21:42] <[[a]> Hello, I would like to know how to terminate the "Port 5431 PARK AGENT"- I couldn't find a command on Ubuntu to stop the port.
[21:45] <mbroeker> [[a], enter "netstat -atulpen | grep 5431" in terminal
[21:45] <[[a]> thx
[21:45] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: "Partition table entries are not in disk order" could be part of the problem. can you also do: df -h | pastebinit
[21:46] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653738/
[21:46] <sam_> I think I erased my erecovery manager for my windows preload :(. damn reinstalling windows after ubuntu is so hard, they need to do sth about it
[21:47] <[[a]> mbroeker, still open
[21:47] <mbroeker> [[a], what's the last column?
[21:48] <[[a]> mbroeker, 5431/tcp open  park-agent
[21:49] <[[a]> mbroeker, I think there is no way I can close it, since it is open on my router. I googled the port to get some information about, some ppl do say it is "risky" to let it open. I couldn't find a command to close it
[21:50] <irc-5225225> What's the command to find the uuid of a partition?
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: "Partition table entries are not in disk order" is the only thing I see that 'could' be part of the problem. but most stuff can handle an out of order partition table. I'd consider a clean reinstall
[21:51] <Bashing-om> irc-5225225: sudo blkid for UUID mapping .
[21:51] <EMKO> hitsujiTMO: oh ok
[21:52] <irc-5225225> Bashing-om: Thanks
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> [[a]: what service do you have running that is using that port?
[21:55] <mbroeker> [[a], disable uPnp in your router and check again with nmap :)
[21:55] <[[a]> mbroeker, ok I will do that
[21:55] <the8thbit> Hi, I want use the speakers in my digital piano as general use speakers for my laptop. Right now, if I plug it in via USB and run Synthesia in Wine, Synthesia is able to output audio to the speakers. However, if I go into the 'sound' menu in ubuntu, they are not listed as an output device.
[21:56] <[[a]> hitsujiTMO, there is no service running on it
[21:56] <TJ-> EMKO: "for n in 1 3 4 5; do sudo blkid /dev/sda$n; done
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO> [[a]: there has to be if the port is open. is this on a router or an ubuntu machine?
[21:57] <nikcsareb> ok
[21:57] <[[a]> hitsujiTMO, the service is called "PARK AGENT" and its running on my router.
[21:57] <nikcsareb> Where should i ask for evdev issues?
[21:57] <TJ-> EMKO: Then "sudo mkdir /mnt/tmp && sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/tmp && df | pastebinit"
[21:58] <mbroeker> [[a], for the next time: nmap -T4 -A <router ip>
[21:58] <bhldev> hi guys
[21:58] <hitsujiTMO> [[a]: this isn't router support this is ubuntu support. Park agent is there as nmap generically reffers to that as being the most common service running from that known port. doesn't mean that that is the actual service that is running
[21:58] <[[a]> mbroeker, ok
[21:58] <EMKO> mbroeker: i include the " in the commands right?
[21:59] <mbroeker> EMKO, no :)
[21:59] <bhldev> I have a virtual machine running ubuntu server that I created a static ip for somehow by modifying /etc/network/interfaces (virtualbox) now I want it to use dhcp again and it's not been working
[21:59] <bhldev> so far I modify /etc/network/interfaces to add auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp lines back and comment out all the rest except loopback, but the old ip is still there instead of the dhcp ip
[22:00] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653799/
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> bhldev: what type of network interface is it? bridged/NAT/etc?
[22:00] <bhldev> how do I make ubuntu server completely forget about the eth0 interface and start from nothing?
[22:00] <bhldev> NAT
[22:01] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, that shows us that running out of space wasn't the cause of the issue.
[22:01] <[[a]> hitsujiTMO, thank you. Just if you missed the conversation from the begining, I said " How to close any port using ubuntu's terminal". Thx to mbroeker, who clarified my problem, now I know it is comming from router.
[22:01] <EMKO> TJ-: ok sorry im not much help im not that good with linux
[22:01] <bhldev> for example now it says <IP_ADDRESS> that was an old ip I want it to pull from my router's dhcp
[22:01] <bekks> bhldev: then network manager configures it.
[22:01] <bhldev> ubuntu server doesn't come with network manager does it?
[22:01] <bekks> bhldev: And dont use NAT then, but bridged.
[22:01] <bhldev> should I get it?
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> bhldev: and is there a dchp running within that nat? what virtualisation software is it?
[22:02] <bhldev> I'm using virtualbox I don't know where the <IP_ADDRESS> addy is coming from
[22:02] <bhldev> okay let me switch to bridged
[22:02] <bekks> bhldev: Thats the default NAT DHCP address from vbox.
[22:02] <[[a]> mbroeker, Thx man, it worked. Even though I dont know who activated, next time I will make sure that is closed
[22:02] <TJ-> EMKO: So, what I'd suggest you do is reboot it, enter the grub menu, choose an older kernel and its associated Recovery option, get to the root prompt, and rebuild all the initial ramdisks using "update-initramfs -uvk all"
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> bhldev: ahh yeah, if you want it on the external network you need bridged as bekks said
[22:02] <bekks> bhldev: Very well documented in chapter 6 of the official vbox manual.
[22:03] <TJ-> EMKO: In theory that will fix the corrupted initrd image for the latest kernel... After that you can reboot normally, and hopefully it'll start correctly
[22:04] <BluesKaj> bhldev, /etc/resolv.conf has been replaced by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base , that's where one lists the IPs you want to use with the interfaces file
[22:04] <mbroeker> [[a], Windows and Linux uses UPNP to open ports on demand: skype or games use UPNP to auto-open ports and networking just works.
[22:05] <bhldev> hitsujiTMO, bekks, BluesKaj thanks, got it to work also just found out about the base
[22:05] <bekks> bhldev: the /etc/resolv.conf doesnt set any IP addresses of an interface. It configures the DNS servers to be used only.
[22:05] <bhldev> this is why I use ubuntu, ubuntu people are nicer ;p
[22:06] <bhldev> although I should have realized to use bridged instead of NAT
[22:07] <HeathHayle> i keep on getting error 1604 any ideas?
[22:07] <bekks> !details | HeathHayle
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> HeathHayle: can you give us the full error and what app?
[22:07] <HeathHayle> Sorry wrong room
[22:09] <nikcsareb> hi can i use /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d on ubuntu?
[22:09] <bekks> nikcsareb: Yes.
[22:10] <nikcsareb> because that dir does not exist
[22:10] <bekks> nikcsareb: Although using /etc/x11/xorg.conf would be more easy.
[22:11] <nikcsareb> i want Xorg to use synaptics driver insthead of evdev...
[22:11] <bekks> nikcsareb: Then just create a /etc/x11/xorg.conf file.
[22:12] <asl40mca> hi