[05:13] <jasoncohen> this is why newbies shouldn't use backports
[05:14] <bob2> then ubuntiebuddy did something silly that they need to tell us about
[05:14] <rob^> soon newbies wont have to
[05:14] <lumberjack> and when i do mount -rw it still does it
[05:14] <jasoncohen> rob^, what do you mean?
[05:14] <reka> jasoncohen: well, i can't really say anything: [1]  i am not a KDE fan [2]  i avoid BP like the plague
[05:14] <rob^> once breezy is release most of the sought after packages will be included in the normal mirrors
[05:15] <jasoncohen> reka, it's been in BP for nearly 3 weeks and there are numerous posts on the forums about this issue
[05:15] <Take_Da_Fish> my evolution has crashed.. can anyone tell me how I can reinstall it or rebuild the database?
[05:15] <bddebian> bob2: Well I'm trying to help him but this portion of Ubuntu is still a little greek to me
[05:15] <jasoncohen> how the hell did this get out of staging? it prevents a user from installing KDE...isn't that a big enough "bug"?
[05:15] <shad0w1e> if you want KDE, MEPIS is probably a better distro for you
[05:15] <jasoncohen> sure, it's easy to fix by forcing the correct version but still
[05:15] <lumberjack> when i mount my harddrive it changes the folders permissions i mount it in to root
[05:16] <bob2> mepis is a worse choice if you want a real supported O
[05:16] <bob2> S
[05:16] <trebuchet> i've got a sapphire radeon 9200se 128mb 8x agp graphics card. how should i go about installing which drivers?
[05:16] <reka> jasoncohen: heh, well good on you for trying to tell people the right way.
[05:16] <jasoncohen> and now a bunch of new ubuntu users might have problems upgrading to breezy now that they have kde 3.4.1 installed
[05:16] <Take_Da_Fish> my evolution has crashed.. can anyone tell me how I can reinstall it or rebuild the database?
[05:16] <hondje> !ati
[05:16] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <bob2> trebuchet: pretty sure you don't need to do anything
[05:16] <reka> trebuchet: easy way: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:16] <bob2> jasoncohen: using backports has historicaly broken upgrades anyway
[05:17] <trebuchet> this driver that was auto0installed isnt 3d accellerated
[05:17] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, it shouldn't now with the package naming scheme. jdong uses ~ so the packages are all below the breezy version
[05:17] <bob2> mostly
[05:17] <jasoncohen> bob2, this was discussed in the meeting that made backports official
[05:17] <bob2> trebuchet: well, it did for mine, but: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:17] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes, I was there
[05:17] <adwait> fishynet: if u want to reinstall, u could remove and install again  i guess
[05:17] <adwait> *take_da_fish
[05:18] <ubuntu_> can someone help me with a small problem
[05:18] <ubuntu_> somebody?
[05:18] <bob2> ubuntu_: you need to ask...
[05:18] <ubuntu_> im trying to run a command
[05:18] <ubuntu_> csh install
[05:18] <jasoncohen> i was surprised how civil Amaranth was compared to the other devs who at first seemed quite hostile. I thought he opposed backports.
[05:18] <ubuntu_> and it says command not found
[05:18] <bob2> ubuntu_: why are you trying to run that?
[05:18] <cam> ubuntu_: you don't have csh installed
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, what happened to the evolution db?
[05:19] <adwait> ubuntu_: try this sudo apt-get install csh
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> ubuntu_: my evolution has crashed.. can anyone tell me how I can reinstall it or rebuild the database?
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, just because it crashed doesn't mean you lost everything
[05:19] <bob2> I thought everyone was quite civil
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> i know that
[05:19] <nickrud> jasoncohen I just hover around the fringes, but most dev's seem to hate things that screw up their work.
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> but i can't restart evolution
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, why do you want to reinstall it then?
[05:19] <adwait> Take_Da_Fish: : u can remove with apt-get remove and install with apt-get install
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> i want to reinstall evolution
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, ps -ax | grep evolution
[05:19] <cam> Take_Da_Fish:  can you not start it now?
[05:19] <bob2> Take_Da_Fish: that's not going to help unless you have disk corruption
[05:20] <Take_Da_Fish> no.. it just sits there an my hard disk goes flat out
[05:20] <jasoncohen> adwait, he already has it installed so he would probably want to use apt-get install --reinstall evolution
[05:20] <Take_Da_Fish> it doesn't open up.. the screen does but doesn't fully load.. its like it trying to open somethign up but can't
[05:20] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, what does ps -ax | grep evolution do?
[05:20] <jasoncohen> does it show you any running evolution processes
[05:20] <adwait> jasoncohen:: hmm.....k
[05:20] <Aliska> hi..
[05:20] <cam> Take_Da_Fish:  if worse comes to worse you would just need to delete your ~/.evolution directory (assuming something got screwed up there, which is unlikely)
[05:21] <jasoncohen> adwait, man apt-get for all its features
[05:21] <jasoncohen> adwait, and man apt-cache too
[05:21] <reka> apt-get -h as well :)
[05:21] <daniels> hm, indonesian ubuntu.  rock.
[05:21] <jasoncohen> cam, he probably just has a zombie evolution process which he needs to kill
[05:21] <nickrud> Take_Da_Fish don't delete ~/.evolution, just move it to ~/evolution-maybe-screwed, and try running evolution again
[05:21] <Take_Da_Fish> thanks guys, I'll try tht..im on my lappy and its in another room
[05:21] <adwait> jasoncohen: hmm......i did man apt-get b4, but i was looking for an action like install or remove :)
[05:21] <ubuntu_> ADwait - I ran sudo apt-get install csh, then it said (reading package lists (done) then building dependency chain(done) then it says E: couldnt find package csh
[05:21] <ubuntu_> ADWAIt
[05:21] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, did you do ps -ax | grep evolution ?
[05:22] <cam> jasoncohen:  yeah probably (i don't run evolution, but if something is screwed up it would be there in the home dir, not the actual binary itself)
[05:22] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, it's in universe. you need to enable the universe repository
[05:22] <adwait> ubuntu_: thts odd........u have universe/multiverse in ur repos?
[05:22] <ubuntu_> i dont know
[05:22] <jasoncohen> woops
[05:22] <ubuntu_> how do i check
[05:22] <jasoncohen> ubuntu_, it's in universe. you need to enable the universe repository
[05:22] <adwait> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:22] <adwait> !repos
[05:22] <ubotu> adwait: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:22] <ubuntu_> im sorry im a beginner, but i really need help
[05:23] <jasoncohen> ubuntu_, read this first - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[05:23] <adwait> !reposistories
[05:23] <ubotu> adwait: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:23] <adwait> uuh....whts the spelling
[05:23] <adwait> !repostories
[05:23] <ubotu> I don't know, adwait
[05:23] <adwait> !repositories
[05:23] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:23] <reka> !repositories
[05:23] <adwait> yay
[05:23] <jasoncohen> ubuntu, and then read this for instructions how - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:24] <misfit_toy> best dvd bin/cue burner for ubuntu is?
[05:24] <ubuntu_> !reposistories says EVENT NOT FOUND
[05:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ubuntu_
[05:24] <dapimp53_> hmmmm it says my wireless is connected but I cant connect to any web pages or ping anything
[05:25] <adwait> ubuntu_:?? tht is just a command for the bot tht we have in the chatroom
[05:25] <jasoncohen> dapimp53_, does ifconfig show that you have an IP?
[05:25] <adwait> ubuntu_: u dont enter that at the prompt
[05:25] <root________> so I'm going to install ubuntu for my girlfriend on her laptop...  But I need to split the drive in half first, for she has windows XP and doesn't want to lose it yet..  what should I use to resize the partition
[05:25] <ubuntu_> beginner
[05:25] <ubuntu_> :)
[05:26] <adwait> anyway.......ubuntu_: paste ur /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl and paste the URL here
[05:26] <reka> root________: you can edit the partitions in the installer.  resize XP and whatnot.
[05:26] <nickrud> ubuntu_ then, you've come to the right place :)
[05:26] <dapimp53_> jasoncohen: when I choose the DHCP no... if I set the ip to go on my network it say it has the IP I entered
[05:26] <jasoncohen> dapimp53_, do you have a DHCP server?
[05:26] <bob2> misfit_toy: cdrdao, I'd assume
[05:26] <root________> reka, the partition will not get destroyed and such ?
[05:26] <heinrich> does ubuntu include the x windows system?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> bob2, but with GUI...
[05:27] <jasoncohen> heinrich, yes
[05:27] <adwait> heinrich: yes
[05:27] <reka> root________: hopefully not. :)  defrag first to get the maximum space
[05:27] <jasoncohen> heinrich, if you use a regular desktop install- no if you do a server install
[05:27] <dapimp53_> I have comcast cable and they connect to the net via DHCP.... Normally I can connect to my netgear router using the DHCP as well
[05:27] <heinrich> alright
[05:27] <jasoncohen> heinrich, you can see exactly what ubuntu installs by checking the dependencies on ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <reka> root________: then select "manually edit partition table", highlight the windows partition, select the size field and press enter, then enter a new size.
[05:27] <nickrud> ubuntu_ if you're a beginner, then, why do you want csh? (not that it's wrong, just, suggesting you keep the clutter down for now)
[05:27] <reka> in the installer
[05:28] <jasoncohen> heinrich, see http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/kubuntu-desktop and http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/ubuntu-base
[05:28] <jasoncohen> heinrich, a server install just uses ubuntu-base. a desktop uses both
[05:28] <ubuntu_> im trying to install equinox 3d and it said extract and run csh install
[05:28] <ubuntu_> ADWAIT <-----http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/441
[05:28] <root________> reka, will it resize the filesystem and everything like partition magic (which I don't have anymore u,.,u) or will it just mark it as smaller ?
[05:29] <dapimp53_> would it help anything if i plugged in to it via a hardwire
[05:29] <dapimp53_> then tryed the wireless
[05:29] <adwait> ubuntu_: every line in ur sources is commented out :S
[05:29] <reka> root________: it will shrink the windows partition to create some free space (assuming windows originally took up the entire drive)
[05:29] <adwait> remove the # at the beggining of line 20
[05:29] <jasoncohen> holy crap...this has got to be a joke!
[05:29] <reka> root________: you can then use the free space and auto-partition it for ubuntu.
[05:30] <adwait> 20, 23, 26
[05:30] <root________> reka, it will properly resize the NTFS partition though, leave it in a usable, preferably error free state ?
[05:30] <soft_talk> hi there folks
[05:30] <jasoncohen> the guy who packaged the broken konversation says there's nothing wrong with requiring users to install KDE 3.4.1 to get one new package...and he said " Mez packaged Konversation with deps on 3.4.1 so users would upgrade"
[05:30] <adwait> ubuntu_: sudo gedit /etc/sources.list and remove the # from line 20, 23 ,26 as seen in the pastebin
[05:30] <jasoncohen> Mez..heh
[05:30] <reka> root________: done it twice, haven't had problems before.
[05:30] <ubuntu_> okay and save
[05:30] <reka> root________: backup first of course :)
[05:30] <dapimp53_> jasoncohen: any ideas?
[05:31] <adwait> ubuntu_:right
[05:31] <adwait> ubuntu_: after that sudo apt-get update
[05:31] <adwait> ubuntu_:after that apt-get install csh
[05:31] <jasoncohen> dapimp53_, well, it sounds like your DHCP server isn't working? do you have DHCP enabled on your router? try using wired ethernet first
[05:31] <jasoncohen> reka, can you believe that response from backports?
[05:31] <root________> reka, alright..  thank you very much :)  *glomp*
[05:32] <ubuntu_> i edited in text editor and tried to save it wont let me though
[05:32] <adwait> ubuntu_: did u use sudo b4 gedit?
[05:32] <reka> jasoncohen: heh, not very good of him.
[05:32] <adwait> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ubuntu_
[05:33] <ubuntu_> in root terminal?
[05:33] <ubuntiebuddy> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu accepting passwords, anything requiring password verification through the GUI, I can't get to. It gives me "Failed to run users-admin  Child terminated with 1 status
[05:33] <adwait> yeah sure........in root terminal skip the sudo
[05:33] <jasoncohen> reka, he's an idiot...if he's going to do that, he should tell users that they need kubuntu's sources to use backports!
[05:33] <trebuchet> ubuntu really rocks
[05:33] <adwait> in root terminal just use gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <reka> jasoncohen: are there major differences b/n the default konv and the one in BP?
[05:33] <ubuntiebuddy> help! help! I'm having a problem with Ubuntu accepting passwords, anything requiring password verification through the GUI, I can't get to. It gives me "Failed to run users-admin  Child terminated with 1 status
[05:33] <trebuchet> gotta love a system that just works well
[05:33] <jasoncohen> reka, no clue- i bet there isn't
[05:34] <MrJung_> hello
[05:34] <jasoncohen> reka, and backports doesn't have a changelog so i'll have to check breezy
[05:34] <jasoncohen> reka, you know some people...it's 2 digits higher so it must be better!
[05:34] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy:  u in sudoers list?
[05:34] <nickrud> ubuntiebuddy wow, that is a unique error
[05:34] <reka> jasoncohen: exactly!
[05:35] <reka> jasoncohen: i used BP once and broke my system...never used it since.
[05:35] <adwait> nickrud: not really....saw a bunch of them in the forums/here.........no idea abt the soln though
[05:35] <adwait> :)
[05:35] <jasoncohen> reka, http://konversation.kde.org/
[05:35] <ubuntiebuddy> I can't get to root terminal
[05:35] <jasoncohen> reka, i bet it could have used kde 3.4.0 libs just fine...the guy who built it  was probably just lazy and dumb
[05:35] <ubuntiebuddy> because from the GUI you need a password to get to it
[05:35] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: in normal terminal use sudo
[05:35] <ubuntiebuddy> and I'm a stinking nweb
[05:35] <adwait> u cant use gksudo
[05:35] <jasoncohen> reka, why aren't these packages built on a hoary system?
[05:35] <reka> nickrud: ubuntiebuddy turned his computer off in the middle of verification iirc
[05:36] <nickrud> adwait and, there's no man page :)
[05:36] <reka> jasoncohen: no idea.
[05:36] <nickrud> reka verification meaning ...
[05:36] <adwait> nickrud: man page for....?
[05:36] <nickrud> user-admin
[05:36] <lumberjack> when i try to play an mp3 in xmms it freezes
[05:36] <lumberjack> i have alsa insatlled
[05:36] <nickrud> users-admin
[05:36] <lumberjack> and a sound blaser live!
[05:36] <ubuntiebuddy> is that what to do?
[05:36] <ubuntiebuddy> ok
[05:36] <adwait> nickrud: actually he'll probably get the same errro for anything tht uses gksudo
[05:37] <adwait> so the problem is with gksudo itself
[05:37] <reka> lumberjack: did you change the output plugin?
[05:37] <_crimsun> lumberjack: what type of sblive specifically?
[05:37] <ubuntu_> ADWAIT <---- i ran apt-get install csh <<---- LOOK GO TO http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/443
[05:37] <reka> lumberjack: btw, beep-media-player is nicer :)
[05:37] <adwait> ubuntu_: did u run sudo apt-get update?
[05:37] <nickrud> so, how does one fix gksudo?
[05:37] <ubuntu_> no
[05:37] <adwait> ubuntu_: first run that and try again
[05:38] <ubuntiebuddy> it says that I am not in the sudoers file
[05:38] <lumberjack> i had beep
[05:38] <ubuntu_> okay, its downloading
[05:38] <nickrud> doh, I need to think now and then
[05:38] <lumberjack> but i changed to xmms when it froze
[05:38] <ubuntu_> just a second
[05:38] <lumberjack> but it happens in both
[05:38] <adwait> ubuntuiebuddy: right.......well then add urself
[05:38] <lumberjack> reka, how?>
[05:38] <reka> lumberjack: did you change the output plugin?
[05:38] <reka> lumberjack: ctrl+p
[05:38] <lumberjack> reka, no, ok
[05:38] <ubuntu_> it looks like the script is working now ADwait!
[05:38] <_crimsun> lumberjack: what type of sblive?
[05:38] <reka> then search for an output plugin option
[05:38] <reka> then change it to alsa
[05:38] <adwait> ubuntu_: :)
[05:39] <ubuntiebuddy> how?
[05:39] <ubuntu_> thank you
[05:39] <adwait> ubuntu_: np
[05:39] <reka> lumberjack: if that doesn't work, ask crimsun (he's a sound guru)
[05:39] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: what was the first user created on the pc?
[05:39] <auk> ubuntubuddy: got GNOME?
[05:39] <lumberjack> _crimsun, ls
[05:39] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i give sudo permission for another user
[05:39] <lumberjack> _crimsun, live! ls
[05:39] <_crimsun> lumberjack: do you mean an audigy ls?
[05:39] <nickrud> lcharly_TheOne sudo adduser <user> admin
[05:40] <adwait> lcharly_TheOne:  as root........visudo
[05:40] <ubuntiebuddy> well, I was editing
[05:40] <ubuntiebuddy> the users
[05:40] <Xzallion> Ok im back.  Hi everyone.  Same prob.  More information though
[05:40] <ubuntiebuddy> I think there's aproblem with the boxes that come up that you enter your password into
[05:40] <QMario> How can I scan using HP PSC 2410 in Ubuntu?
[05:40] <lcharly_TheOne> but i have a problem i erase the fisrt user and i create a new user but i can make sudos
[05:40] <lcharly_TheOne> and i cnat be root
[05:40] <lumberjack> _crimsun, 5.1 ls
[05:40] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: actually ur not in the sudoers list, thts the problem
[05:41] <jasoncohen> reka, heh, i responded quite harshly. let's see if anything gets done- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245461#post245461
[05:41] <reka> QMario: apps > graphics > Xsane maybe?
[05:41] <adwait> lcharly_TheOne: use the root terminal emulator, application>system>root terminal
[05:41] <heinrich> how do you change from gnome to xwindows in ubuntu?
[05:41] <_crimsun> lumberjack: I need the lspci -v audio line
[05:41] <ubuntiebuddy> then how do I get there?
[05:41] <lcharly_TheOne> thanks
[05:41] <nickrud> ubuntiebuddy are you the guy that when you try to boot in recovery mode, you can't even log in?
[05:41] <lumberjack> _crimsun, ok
[05:41] <bddebian> nickrud: That is him
[05:41] <ubuntiebuddy> yeah
[05:41] <ubuntu_> Adwait, How do i check where it installed?
[05:41] <Xzallion> problem: Cannot start x server  Tried: sudo apt-get install Nvidia-glx   What happened: couldn't find the package Nvidia-glx
[05:41] <QMario> Reka, Xsane doesn't work and returns an error.
[05:41] <reka> heinrich: er, doesn't gnome run on top of xwindows?
[05:41] <ubuntiebuddy> that's me, couldn't access root from the recovery boot
[05:42] <_crimsun> Xzallion: not Nvidia-glx but nvidia-glx. Case-sensitive.
[05:42] <nickrud> heh, it's time for a recovery disk, and editing passwd, group and sudoers
[05:42] <adwait> ubuntu_: its probably in /usr/bin
[05:42] <QMario> It says "no device available".
[05:42] <ubuntu_> i checked but not there
[05:42] <auk> ubuntubuddy: got any valuabl edata on there?
[05:42] <ubuntu_> let me look again
[05:42] <heinrich> reka, oh
[05:42] <adwait> ubuntu_:wht happens if u type csh
[05:42] <adwait> ?
[05:42] <ubuntiebuddy> I KNEW WHERE THIS WAS GOING! :) and, no
[05:42] <trebuchet> how do i add an app to the application menu?
[05:42] <bddebian> nickrud: Damnit, I didn't even think of that
[05:42] <ubuntu_> it gives me a # on the next line
[05:42] <auk> wipe the disk an reinstall
[05:42] <ubuntu_> csh install?
[05:42] <nickrud> ubuntiebuddy lol, and I will NOT walk you thru it :)
[05:43] <dapimp53> I can get online no problem with my hardwire but not my wireless for some reason
[05:43] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: u could boot to run level 1, but i hv been told tht y defaut all run levels are same in ubuntu
[05:43] <reka> QMario: is it detected in the device manager?
[05:43] <Xzallion> _crimsun: oh ok.  *smacks self in head* thanks I shall try to fix that.
[05:43] <ubuntiebuddy> lol, well thanks for your time, people
[05:43] <cafuego> !!!
[05:43] <reka> trebuchet: google for: smeg menu editor
[05:43] <ubotu> csh!! sucks!!
[05:43] <dapimp53> I plugged it in... surfed around the internet for a bit
[05:43] <dapimp53> then unplugged it and tried my wireless
[05:43] <dapimp53> nothing!
[05:43] <auk> trebuchet: /usr/share/applications
[05:43] <QMario> Yes.
[05:43] <QMario> It is a USB Printer.
[05:44] <_crimsun> lumberjack: did you change the xmms output plugin?
[05:44] <adwait> ubuntu_:i dunno wht csh install does............csh is a shell, like bash
[05:44] <ubuntu_> oh
[05:44] <lumberjack> how do i kill a process
[05:44] <lumberjack> its frozen
[05:44] <jasoncohen> dapimp53, did you setup your SSID & wep key correctly in network-manager?
[05:44] <lumberjack> i dont want to restart
[05:44] <adwait> lumberjack kill pid
[05:44] <adwait> kill <pid>
[05:44] <jasoncohen> dapimp53, you can't associate unless you have the right credentials
[05:44] <auk> or killall
[05:44] <cafuego> adwait: csh is like tcsh, not like bash.
[05:44] <_crimsun> lumberjack: pkill xmms
[05:44] <ubuntu_> hey adwait, if u follow this link and scroll down you will see what im trying to do http://www.equinox3d.com/Download.html
[05:44] <reka> QMario: [1]  search ubforums/google for scanner topics [2]  you may need to install a driver or something.
[05:44] <dapimp53> jasoncohen, I typed them exactly like I was told too
[05:44] <adwait> cafuego: i meant to say tht it is a shell......not similar to, but a shell just as bash is a shell
[05:45] <QMario> I tried the 'hpoj' driver, but it doesn't work.
[05:45] <cafuego> adwait: 'rc' rocks
[05:45] <QMario> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HpPscHpPhotosmartSeriesAllInOnePrinters
[05:45] <lumberjack> _crimsun, i changed it to alsa and it doenst work
[05:45] <meng> is Gnome 2.10.2 out for Ubuntu?
[05:45] <adwait> ubuntu_: hmm........why dont u chuck csh, and try ./Install in that directory
[05:46] <ubuntu_> says command not found
[05:46] <reka> QMario: hmm, not really sure as i don't have a scanner myself.
[05:46] <lumberjack> nevermind
[05:46] <_crimsun> lumberjack: how so? does it hang, or does it appear to play with no sound?
[05:46] <lumberjack> _crimsun, i got it nevermind
[05:46] <adwait> ubuntu_: first type bash
[05:46] <lumberjack> _crimsun, thanks alot 4 ur help
[05:46] <_crimsun> lumberjack: yw
[05:46] <adwait> ubuntu_: now go to the directory where u unzipped the files
[05:46] <adwait> ubuntu_: there ./Install
[05:47] <ksmurf> anyone have exper. with swat for samba?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> cannot execute binarry file
[05:47] <adwait> *sudo ./Install
[05:47] <bddebian> DAMNIT -1 bddebian.. :'-(
[05:47] <adwait> ooh....its a binary file...i thought it said a script
[05:47] <ubuntu_> adwait: it said install script
[05:47] <adwait> right.......so i figured its in install SCRIPT..
[05:48] <ksmurf> anyone have exper. with swat for samba?  I can't seem to get it right
[05:48] <adwait> ubuntu_: ok well...i dunno much abt this, so lets start following the instructions again :)....when u type csh Install what haooens?
[05:48] <ubuntu_> adwait: i thought it already installed, do you want me to post what happened when i ran apt-get install csh
[05:48] <cafuego> ubuntu_: what does 'head -n1
[05:48] <ksmurf> !swat
[05:48] <ubotu> ksmurf: I don't know
[05:48] <cafuego> ubuntu_: what does 'head -n1 ./Install' say?
[05:48] <trebuchet> what command do i use to install a deb?
[05:48] <ksmurf> !samba
[05:48] <ubotu> samba is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[05:48] <cafuego> trebuchet: dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:48] <adwait> ubuntu_: tht installed csh, not the software u r trying to install
[05:49] <ksmurf> tnx
[05:49] <ubuntu_> install: no such file or directory
[05:49] <auk> hehe or alien -i <pkg>
[05:49] <QMario> Ksmurf, what are you trying to do?
[05:49] <adwait> ubuntu_: try captilizing I, linux is case sensitive
[05:49] <adwait> Install is not same as install
[05:49] <competenCe> how would i move all the files in 1 directory off a shell into a ftp folder when i logon to ftp in the shell?
[05:49] <trebuchet> damn. not only does ubuntu rock, fresh from install but its got some kickass support in its support channel :-D thanks, guys
[05:49] <ubuntu_> hehe
[05:49] <ubuntu_> oh shit
[05:49] <ubuntu_> it just installed
[05:49] <cafuego> trebuchet: liar!
[05:49] <trebuchet> hehe
[05:50] <reka> trebuchet: what are you installing?
[05:50] <ubuntu_> adwait: lol, i didnt know linux was case sensitive
[05:50] <Stan__> When I boot my computer, it doesn't come up with any options before loading M$ windows.  How can I change the boot order within windows?
[05:50] <trebuchet> smeg
[05:50] <auk> not in the repositories?
[05:50] <reka> ah, forgot. :)
[05:50] <adwait> ubuntu_: :)...
[05:50] <grphx> Hey does ubuntu not support NTSF?
[05:50] <trebuchet> doesn't look like it
[05:50] <Razor-X> Stan__: you can't ;)
[05:50] <adwait> Stan__: XP?
[05:50] <holycow> Stan__, windows can't boot linux
[05:50] <Razor-X> you need to obtain a Linux floppy
[05:50] <meng>  grphx: there is only read support
[05:50] <holycow> you need to install grub boot loader
[05:50] <QMario> Does Ubuntu have another scanning program other than XSANE?
[05:50] <cafuego> grphx: For reading, yes.
[05:50] <auk> Stan__: BIOS?
[05:50] <Razor-X> graphx: it supports NTFS read support
[05:51] <Stan__> Yes, XP... how can I change boot order then?
[05:51] <grphx> Hm
[05:51] <auk> but not write
[05:51] <reka> Stan__: did you do anything recently?  sounds like you need to reinstall grub
[05:51] <grphx> I have music on an NTSF HD, but I can't get to it, and I'm kinda new to linux
[05:51] <adwait> Stan__: no freakin idea.....spent hours @ a friends place trying to do that :)
[05:51] <cafuego> !listkeys ntfs
[05:51] <grphx> I know you have to mount the HD, but I can't find it
[05:51] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (2 shown): ntfs ;; user accessible ntfs.
[05:51] <Razor-X> Stan__: get a bootable Linux floppy, and try and fix GRUB
[05:51] <meng>  grphx: but can always use captive
[05:51] <cafuego> !user accessible ntfs
[05:51] <cafuego> !tell grphx -about user accessible ntfs
[05:51] <Razor-X> I suggest just getting GAG (a nice boot-manager)
[05:51] <Razor-X> graphx: what's the mount-point?
[05:52] <Stan__> Well how can I change the boot order if My computer doesn't give me a chance before loading windows?
[05:52] <cafuego> grphx: Check what ubotu just /msg'd you.
[05:52] <Razor-X> Stan__: get a bootable floppy
[05:52] <Razor-X> do you know what that is?
[05:52] <reka> grphx: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[05:52] <ubuntu_> adwait: the program works, thank you very much, i am much obliged
[05:52] <Stan__> it doesn't even check the floppy!
[05:52] <adwait> ubuntu_: :) np
[05:52] <Stan__> i put one in and it still started!
[05:52] <Razor-X> Stan__: then change your BIOS settings
[05:52] <grphx> reka: I guess that link doesn't work
[05:52] <cafuego> Stan__: You need hot <esc> dor <del> well before that, so you can change the bios
[05:52] <Razor-X> is the floppy bootable?
[05:52] <Stan__> ok, can you tell me how?
[05:53] <sTyLo^^> yeap
[05:53] <sTyLo^^> yeap
[05:53] <Stan__> I don't have that option, cafeugo
[05:53] <meng> Razor-x: can just try using the install CD
[05:53] <Stan__> that is the whole problem
[05:53] <Razor-X> cafuego: on my old computer's Phoenix BIOS, it's F3
[05:53] <Razor-X> Stan__: you have to
[05:53] <cafuego> Stan__: What brand is the machine?
[05:53] <Stan__> Local company
[05:53] <Stan__> NERD
[05:53] <cafuego> Razor-X: I avoid phoenix bioses like the plague
[05:53] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:53] <Razor-X> cafuego: it was good for its time
[05:53] <reka> grphx: hmm, sorry bout that... old reference perhaps
[05:53] <auk> Stan__: try F1 or F2
[05:53] <meng> stan, isn't Del instead
[05:54] <grphx> Yeh, got an updated reference?
[05:54] <cafuego> Stan__: Can you give them a call and ask them how to get into the bios?
[05:54] <Razor-X> Stan__: try Esc, Del, F1, F2, or F3
[05:54] <Stan__> wait
[05:54] <Stan__> fixed!
[05:54] <reka> grphx: anyway, you'll need to edit fstab
[05:54] <meng> phoenix is Del
[05:54] <auk> huh?
[05:54] <Stan__> The screen didn't come up but I helled all the buttons down
[05:54] <Stan__> and it worked
[05:54] <cafuego> meng: AWARD is del
[05:54] <auk> grphx: i've got one working
[05:54] <Stan__> held*
[05:54] <reka> grphx: post the output of sudo fdisk -l to a pastebin
[05:54] <Razor-X> meng: not this old Phoenix
[05:55] <cafuego> Stan__: Cool. Now there will be a menu of a list. Iif a menu, go to the 'BOOT' options. If a list, go to the second item in the list.
[05:55] <cafuego> menu OR a list even
[05:55] <Razor-X> basically, make sure that the first device to boot is floppy
[05:55] <meng> intel is normally
[05:55] <trebuchet> ok, i want to get my pinnacle dc50 a/v capture card working... its got a zoran chipset
[05:55] <meng> f2
[05:55] <grphx> reka: http://pastebin.com/309279
[05:56] <meng> razor_x: can i suggest something?
[05:56] <auk> /dev/hda1               /mnt/xp                 ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000                       0       0
[05:56] <trebuchet> lspci calls it: Zoran Corporation ZR36057PQC Video cutting chipset (rev 02)
[05:56] <auk> oops...sorry
[05:56] <meng> auk: use a pastebin
[05:56] <auk> pastebin?
[05:56] <meng> the the topic line
[05:56] <grphx> pastebin.com
[05:56] <reka> grphx: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:56] <reka> meng: it was one line
[05:56] <grphx> reka: Okay
[05:57] <reka> hardly a need for a pastebin
[05:57] <QMario> Has anyone hear scanned a picture or any other object using an HP PSC?
[05:57] <meng> does /dev/hda1               /mnt/xp                 ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000                       0       0 looks like one line
[05:57] <auk> no
[05:57] <grphx> reka: I did what you said
[05:57] <reka> grphx: actually, better make a directory first like auk's example
[05:57] <grphx> like..
[05:58] <reka> grphx: sudo mkdir /media/NTFSdrive
[05:58] <auk> reka: why do that?
[05:58] <Harold_installin> Watching an install: It's like watching the grass grow.
[05:58] <reka> auk: otherwise where will it mount to?
[05:58] <bddebian> heh
[05:58] <auk> put something in /mnt/
[05:58] <Harold_installin> I've been watching the grass grow for a week now.
[05:58] <reka> grphx: now, it looks likeyou want to mount /dev/hdb1
[05:58] <Harold_installin> bddebian: I may be nearing the end of my installation.
[05:58] <auk> harold: lol
[05:59] <grphx> reka: That could be my WinXP installation but okay
[05:59] <Harold_installin> auk: Thanks for laughing at my expense, LOL
[05:59] <auk> np
[05:59] <reka> grphx: eh? i thought what you wanted was on the second drive?
[05:59] <grphx> Er yeh
[05:59] <grphx> I have two HDs
[05:59] <reka> grphx: look at your fdisk output and see which one you want.
[05:59] <reka> to mount
[05:59] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Nice
[05:59] <grphx> HD#1 is partitioned into a WinXP install and linux install
[06:00] <Harold_installin> bbdebian: If this is nearing completion, get ready to break out the champayne.
[06:00] <grphx> HD#2 is a 120GB of NTSF with music and stuff on it
[06:00] <reka> grphx: then it's the 2nd one :)
[06:00] <bddebian> Heh
[06:00] <grphx> okay
[06:00] <grphx> How did i view the fstab stuff without opening up the file?
[06:00] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Okay, gotta go finish up.
[06:00] <adwait> grphx: umm cat
[06:01] <adwait> cat /etc/fstab
[06:01] <reka> grphx: we need to edit it.
[06:01] <grphx> okay
[06:01] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Guess it's still installing ubuntu-desktop.
[06:01] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Good luck :-)
[06:01] <reka> grphx: append this to the end on a new line:
[06:01] <auk> grphx: don' tuse sudo
[06:01] <reka> grphx:  /dev/hdb1               /media/NTFSdrive                 ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000                       0       0
[06:01] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Thanks, I'll need it, with this old PowerBook.
[06:01] <adwait> auk: how come? u can edit fstab w/o sudo?
[06:01] <auk> no
[06:02] <Harold_installin> bddebian: I love this PowerBook, but boy has this installation been a killer on 'er.
[06:02] <auk> he did not want to edit it
[06:02] <adwait> ah...k
[06:02] <solar_ANT> hey !!!!!
[06:02] <ubuntu_> anybody know a site that has linux commands so i can learn how to use the terminal
[06:02] <GNULinuxer> any idea if breezy is stable by now?
[06:02] <Harold_installin> bddebian: I have yet to see an Ubuntu GUI.  It's not *the* most important thing, but i'd like to see one, anyway.
[06:03] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: nopes
[06:03] <jewel_> ubuntu_ search for bash tutorial
[06:03] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X, hmm
[06:03] <ubuntu_> ok, thank you jewel_
[06:03] <reka> Razor-X: how is your emacs/bash research going? :)
[06:03] <adwait> GNULinuxer: not much......but look at thge top
[06:03] <Razor-X> ubuntu_: you can look at an infantile version of my guide
[06:03] <Harold_installin> ubuntu: http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl.htm
[06:03] <auk> Harold: it';s just gnome
[06:03] <adwait> *topic
[06:03] <solar_ANT> hiiiii
[06:03] <Razor-X> reka: progressing along fine ;)
[06:03] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X, are you still on Hoary ?
[06:03] <Razor-X> I need someone to help with the "joe" section
[06:03] <jewel_> ubuntu_: http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.shtml
[06:03] <adwait> solar_ANT: hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:03] <adwait> :D
[06:03] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: yes
[06:03] <solar_ANT> how do i run gmake in ubuntu ???????
[06:03] <solar_ANT> hey adwait  !!!
[06:03] <Harold_installin> auk: I haven't actually used Gnome yet.
[06:03] <auk> ever?
[06:03] <rob^> bah, has anyone installed daemontools before? which is the recommended approch, the djb format or fhs?
[06:04] <Razor-X> solar_ANT: wait for others to answer..............
[06:04] <nickrud> ubuntu_ get Using the Bash Shell, from O'Rielly
[06:04] <Aerebus> Can someone please help me fix my mouse? i've been trying to get it fixed for over an hour in #linux and i would hope someone from here could help since i'm using Ubuntu 5.04. Someone said my mouse has the wrong protocol and i put my xorg.conf up on http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nVCWCg70.html
[06:04] <Harold_installin> auk: I'm used to KDE; although I did see a Fedora installation once, for a couple of hours or so.
[06:04] <QMario> :(
[06:04] <Razor-X> nickrud: I don't think you need a book for BASH
[06:04] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: you didn't get Kubuntu?
[06:04] <adwait> ubuntu_: http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/html/lnag.html try this
[06:04] <Razor-X> emacs is something a book is worth for, if you want its full power
[06:04] <QMario> Bye everyone.
[06:04] <auk> gnome is better :)
[06:04] <QMario> Good Night. :)
[06:04] <nickrud> Razor-X it was the best US$30 investment I've made in the last 5 years
[06:05] <Razor-X> so, no joe users?
[06:05] <dbernar1> night
[06:05] <auk> lol
[06:05] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: Didn't know about it until yesterday or so; besides, it's going to be a miracle if I can get this running on my old PowerBook at all.
[06:05] <Stan__> ok, now I discovered that this computer doesn't cooperate with any CD drive.  Is there anyother way to boot ubuntu on it?
[06:05] <QMario> Thank you for all your help. :)
[06:05] <solar_ANT> anyone knows abt gmake in ubuntu ?????
[06:05] <Razor-X> nickrud: I learned about BASH more through experience than anything else
[06:05] <grphx> fstab is readonly..
[06:05] <Razor-X> and, when time comes to formalize my scripting knowledge, there's a free book for that
[06:05] <jewel_> Aerebus
[06:05] <babyfire> hello all
[06:05] <nickrud> Razor-X yeah, but, I do like to learn from other's experience as well
[06:05] <Razor-X> Stan__: netinstall
[06:05] <auk> grphx: use sudo
[06:05] <reka> grphx: cos you didn't use sudo. :-/
[06:05] <Razor-X> nickrud: to each his own, my pocket book is very limited
[06:05] <jewel_> Aerebus: Did you try setting your device to /dev/input/mice?
[06:05] <Stan__> razor-x ok what is that?
[06:06] <ubuntu_> hey thank you guys
[06:06] <men1>  Stan__: check if the CD ROM is set as slave?
[06:06] <Harold_installin> Okay, back to my installing.
[06:06] <Razor-X> Stan__: installing using the interNet ;)
[06:06] <reka> auk: you told him not to.  see what happened? :)
[06:06] <auk> lol
[06:06] <Stan__> oh internet
[06:06] <auk> that's what he wanted
[06:06] <Aerebus> Jewel, thats what is was before someone told me to change it to /dev/psaux
[06:06] <Stan__> capital N confused me
[06:06] <gm78> Hey all. Does anyone know how to completely shut off my internal pc speaker in linux? The thing beeps for no reason, i have already gone through diagnostics in the bios and with other utilities which show nothing wrong with the system. It is driving me nuts
[06:06] <Stan__> thanks
[06:06] <nickrud> Razor-X yeah, so, let's point him at the Bash stuff at the linux documentation project, it's not bad
[06:06] <jewel_> Aerebus: I assume you have a PS/2 mouse...?
[06:06] <Aerebus> My mouse is moving all over the screen and clicking on all sorts of things
[06:06] <Razor-X> nickrud: definitely so
[06:06] <adwait> gm78: if it beeps at start up, there is some reason/meaning to it.luukup beep codes of ur BIOS
[06:07] <Razor-X> my BASH experience started stabbing at a system I couldn't get X working in
[06:07] <Razor-X> long ago, on a very old piece of machinery
[06:07] <reka> gm78: sys > prefs > sound > system bell
[06:07] <grphx> What is it, [sudo gedit /ect/fstab] ?
[06:07] <Aerebus> its a usb mouse with a ps2 adapter a logitech mx510 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2142,CONTENTID=7982
[06:07] <men1> Aerebus: i've a touchpad that does the samething
[06:07] <adwait> grphx: right
[06:07] <babyfire> you guys i have a problem
[06:07] <jewel_> gm78: You can edit /etc/initrc
[06:07] <Razor-X> Aerebus: reccomending mice... tut tut
[06:07] <babyfire> and its sooo simple
[06:07] <grphx> It opens up a blank document though
[06:07] <Razor-X> mice pale in comparisin to trackballs
[06:07] <men1> i place 2 fingers on it to stop the funny movements
[06:07] <jewel_> gm78: I mean /etc/inputrc
[06:07] <adwait> grphx: check spelling
[06:07] <Razor-X> babyfire: i'm listening
[06:07] <gm78> adwait, it isnt, its after its been running for a while, checked system temp, nothing wrong with cpu temp or fans. voltage seems to be fine, i think it just hates me. where can i find those beep codes?
[06:07] <Razor-X> *comparison
[06:08] <auk> grphx: */etc/*
[06:08] <babyfire> i dont know how to unzip tar.gz files
[06:08] <nickrud> I own one book, that was it, and, inside, I have 4 pages from the aptitude docs. That's worked well for me over the years.
[06:08] <dbernar1> in unison, now
[06:08] <Razor-X> babyfire: tar -xzvf file.tar.gz
[06:08] <Moppin> babyfire, hehe, tar zxvf <filename>
[06:08] <babyfire> and its impossible to get anywhere
[06:08] <men1> babyfire: can just use archive manager
[06:08] <reka> babyfire: you could use natilus/fileroller
[06:08] <dbernar1> tar xzvf file.tar.gz
[06:08] <reka> babyfire: or tar zxf < filename>
[06:08] <adwait> gm78: hehe.......tht differs with the bios, which one do u have? and generally those beepcodes are only while startup, so i guess ur right, it just hates u :)
[06:08] <Razor-X> nickrud: I have almost $100 saved up
[06:08] <nickrud> Razor-X buy hardware :)
[06:09] <Razor-X> gonna spend it either on a Das Keyboard, an HHKL2, or a better MP3 Player
[06:09] <comadreja> any place I could find older, but not so old ubuntu packages ?
[06:09] <Razor-X> my keyboard is too plain, my trackball is just awesome ;)
[06:09] <gm78> jewel_, what do i change in that file, the descriptions in the file arent very descriptive
[06:09] <adwait> anybody here uses it? is it like very different from 32 bit performance wisE?
[06:09] <Madpilot> Razor-X: what's an HHKL2?
[06:09] <Moppin> Razor-X, you don't need a Das Keyboard, just type inthe dark :)
[06:09] <men1> is there a way to use window shares in a network automatically?
[06:09] <gm78> adwait, is there any way i can tell without rebooting which bios i have?
[06:09] <Razor-X> Madpilot: Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite 2
[06:09] <Razor-X> Moppin: darkness doesen't give weighted keys ;)
[06:09] <babyfire> ok where do i find my file at i downloaded it and it askedwhat i wanted to open it with i chose gzip and the file is no where to be found
[06:10] <adwait> gm78: not tht i know off........but we have bigger geeks here ;), one of thems gotta know
[06:10] <dbernar1> adwait, the processor uses more memory, but yeah, it should be faster
[06:10] <grphx> Okay I added that line and saved
[06:10] <Razor-X> my only grip is that, if the Ctrl key is weighted too much (which I've read it weighs more than the normal keys) my emacs'ing will suffer
[06:10] <jewel_> gm78: It's the line near the top that's commented out that says "set bell-style"
[06:10] <jewel_> That won't turn off the hardware though
[06:10] <adwait> dbernar1: hmm
[06:10] <nickrud> lol, then, switch to vim
[06:10] <Razor-X> nickrud: nooooooooooooooo!!!!
[06:11] <solar_ANT> hiiiii
[06:11] <Madpilot> Razor-X: oh cool. I learned to type on the old grey Mac kbs, sometimes the "standard" kb still feels too big...
[06:11] <Razor-X> you darest insultest ye?
[06:11] <grphx> So now is my NTSF HD mounted after i saved?
[06:11] <solar_ANT> i have a packgae with a makefile how do i
[06:11] <gm78> jewel_, that is only for tab completion and such though. if it is just beeping for no reason, will that shut it off?
[06:11] <adwait> grphx: no
[06:11] <nickrud> truthfully, I use vim cuz I started there, no other reason
[06:11] <Razor-X> I use Dvorak, so vi is a pain in the arse for me
[06:11] <solar_ANT> how do i run gmake to compile it
[06:11] <adwait> grphx: u hv to use sudo mount /dev/<hd whatever>
[06:11] <Razor-X> good to se another vim starter ;)
[06:11] <grphx> Should I make all the lines line up with the others?
[06:11] <auk> Razor-X: lol
[06:11] <Razor-X> compared to all these nano whelps
[06:11] <grphx> On that text file
[06:11] <_crimsun> Razor-X: I kinda like using my left hand for navigation
[06:11] <auk> emacs is better
[06:12] <solar_ANT> cuz make gives sme error
[06:12] <Razor-X> _crimsun: you mean aoeu ?
[06:12] <jewel_> gm78: No
[06:12] <dbernar1> nickrud: me too, a professor said that it is a good skill to have, since any unic will have vi.
[06:12] <solar_ANT> and documentation says to use gmake
[06:12] <Razor-X> because, that's my home row
[06:12] <Moppin> Razor-X, I've found that Dvorak setup does make vi very difficult.  Even Ctrl-C Ctrl-V is rought
[06:12] <_crimsun> Razor-X: nah, left hand for up and down; right for left and right
[06:12] <gm78> adwait, jewel_, is it possible for a bios to beep with the power cord unhooked from the computer? (please dont laugh if this is a stupid question :-P)
[06:12] <Razor-X> ewww, wasd ;)
[06:12] <jewel_> gm78: Not unless it's a laptop
[06:12] <Razor-X> I've never used WASD, even in my QWERTY days
[06:12] <men1> that would be so haunted
[06:12] <jewel_> gm78: If it were my computer I'd just go unplug the pc speaker
[06:12] <nickrud> dbernar1 I don't remember exactly how it happened, it was some tutorial on using bash, i think
[06:13] <Madpilot> "Attack of the Randomly Beeping Computer"...
[06:13] <adwait> jewel_: umm......can't ut use tht little Li-Ion battery ? which it uses for keeping time?
[06:13] <Razor-X> dunno why WASD caught on, i've been an arrow key user through and through in UT
[06:13] <jasoncohen> lol, this guy just doesn't get it. He doesn't see why preventing hoary users from installing KDE unless they install KDE 3.4.1 (a massive upgrade) is a bad idea when he admits he could easily have used kde 3.4.0 dependencies but chose not to because he thinks users should use 3.4.1. He also apparently doesn't feel the need to tell users before hand that they need kde 3.4.1 to use his package!
[06:13] <jasoncohen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245481#post245481
[06:13] <gm78> jewel_, now that is odd, i unplugged it at one point and heard it. i cant think of anything tho that is sitting near my computer that could possible be beeping
[06:13] <Aerebus> Jewel, i'm back sorry my mouse disappeared
[06:13] <jewel_> Razor-X: I think you can remap all of your keys in vim to the corresponding devorak keys
[06:13] <_crimsun> jewel_: sure can
[06:13] <Madpilot> gm78: it's haunted. arrange for an exorcist...
[06:13] <_crimsun> jasoncohen: he must not be using 5.04.3 ;)
[06:13] <men1> Aerebus: mouse trap?
[06:13] <adwait> lol
[06:13] <jasoncohen> he also violated the new backport guidelines. backported packages are supposed to use hoary libraries only
[06:13] <Razor-X> jewel_: I probably can, regardless, I've fallen in love with emacs
[06:14] <auk> hehe
[06:14] <gm78> Madpilot, lol....arrange for a baseball bat is more like it
[06:14] <grphx> How do I show fstab without opening it?
[06:14] <jewel_> gm78: Some motherboards with integrated sound cards play the pc speaker through the regular speakers
[06:14] <adwait> gm78: how does it beep? short? long ?
[06:14] <jewel_> grphx: cat /etc/fstab
[06:14] <Razor-X> very nice for comparing two tex files, compile one on the side with a terminal, putting things in a scratch file, and yeah
[06:14] <auk> grphx: cat /etc/fstab
[06:14] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, he built the packages...he probably did so on a system with KDE 3.4.1 installed and he was too damn lazy to change dependencies
[06:14] <nickrud> plus, I don't code, so I never needed an extra operating system.
[06:14] <auk> oh. haha
[06:14] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, grr- some people shouldn't become maintainers
[06:14] <Razor-X> nickrud: I do ;)
[06:14] <vinux> what are some good ubuntu books?
[06:14] <men1> try the creepy a7n8x-e board startup sound
[06:14] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: i'm hoping to become one meself
[06:14] <jasoncohen> or make packages
[06:14] <gm78> jewel_, well mine has an integrated sound card, but it is not linux compat. so i have it shut off in the bios and am using a pci sound card
[06:14] <_crimsun> jasoncohen: err, which maintainer did that?
[06:15] <Madpilot> men1: you mean when it talks to you?
[06:15] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, this retard who makes packages for backports
[06:15] <gm78> adwait, when i backspace or tab in a terminal, it is short. this beeping is a bit longer
[06:15] <grphx> okay I did a sudo mount /dev/hdb1
[06:15] <Aerebus> men1, i'm sorry if i dont find that too humorous right now i'm very tired and i wish i hadnt just installed linux for the first time the other day i'm really trying desperately to get this fixed >.<
[06:15] <dbernar1> vinux: there is a ubuntu book?
[06:15] <jewel_> gm78: And it has no speakers attached?  Perhaps your modem?
[06:15] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, read this- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245481#post245481
[06:15] <TokenBad> what was command again to see free space on drives?
[06:15] <adwait> gm78: ok if u hv an Award bios, and it beeps during operation it could indicate overheating
[06:15] <vinux> dbernar1, Not sure that's why I'm asking
[06:15] <Razor-X> dbernar1: not really, as far as I can tell
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: df
[06:15] <_crimsun> jasoncohen: ah. I was about to say that none of us MOTUs would do that.
[06:15] <Harold_installin> What is Breezy's full name?
[06:15] <gm78> jewel_, winmodem that is not hooked up to anything
[06:15] <dbernar1> ya, I dunno of any neither
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: Breezy Badger
[06:15] <jasoncohen> of course not- because MOTUs are intelligent
[06:15] <gm78> adwait, i already checked the system temps, they are sitting around where an athlon xp should be
[06:15] <jewel_> Harold: Breezy badger
[06:16] <Harold_installin> Tigli: Thanks
[06:16] <nickrud> Harold_installin Breezy badger
[06:16] <Harold_installin> Thanks Nick
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> lol everyone wants to answer that one
[06:16] <adwait> gm78: hmm.......k
[06:16] <dbernar1> jasoncohen: maybe it is an ignorance thing more than not intelligent, teach teh guy, I guess.
[06:16] <men1> Madpilot: the system says system is booting in a robotic female voice
[06:16] <TokenBad> thanks tiglionabbit
[06:16] <jasoncohen> they realize that requiring a massive system upgrade in order to install a desktop app is stupid especially when it's completely unnecessary
[06:16] <jewel_> Here's a better question... what comes after breezy
[06:16] <nickrud> heh, any one who's watching for the next version knows that one :)
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> Badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
[06:16] <Razor-X> by the way... does anyone have an iRock 830 here working with Linux?
[06:16] <jewel_> I was thinking auntie anteater would sound good
[06:16] <grphx> Thank you, I got it working now!
[06:16] <Madpilot> men1: I know, I've got the Deluxe version of the same mobo. it's damned odd... :)
[06:16] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: Is that like an iRiver?
[06:17] <Razor-X> not really
[06:17] <Razor-X> it's an MP3 player though
[06:17] <jasoncohen> dbernar1, i tried explaining why what he did was bad but he just doesn't seem to get it. He says that 3.4.1 wasn't needed but he thinks " Any user who is using backports obviously wants the latest packages... why not KDE 3.4.1 as well?"
[06:17] <nickrud> 38 days and counting, till I install breezy for real
[06:17] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: In other words, a portable MP3 player?
[06:17] <Razor-X> exactly
[06:17] <Razor-X> i'ld think the iPod would be the stereotype there, but, meh
[06:17] <grphx> What's a good mp3 player for linux?
[06:17] <jasoncohen> dbernar1, he also doesn't think telling users that 3.4.1 is required to use his package is necessary either
[06:17] <men1> Aerebus: tried another pointing device?
[06:17] <adwait> grphx: i like rhythmbox
[06:17] <jasoncohen> and the consequence of his actions is to prevent KDE from being installed for hoary users
[06:17] <auk> yeah
[06:17] <dbernar1> jasoncohen: oh, yeah, cool, whatever, backports people are needy.
[06:17] <Razor-X> graphx: iRiver works famously
[06:17] <adwait> grphx: but u gotta d/l gstreamer for it
[06:17] <auk> adwait: *
[06:18] <Razor-X> and has OGG support as well
[06:18] <gm78> jewel_, i shut my speakers off and it still does it. this has me baffled. the thing is out of warranty and i dont feel like taking it in for tech work
[06:18] <jasoncohen> unless they know how to force a specific version
[06:18] <Razor-X> I think he meant portable MP3 player
[06:18] <adwait> auk: ?
[06:18] <jasoncohen> easy with synaptic but may not be obvious to newbies
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: what?  We can use kubuntu
[06:18] <men1> Madpilot: there's an editor for windows for the sound
[06:18] <grphx> Is there a keystroke combo to go straight to the desktop?
 yeah
[06:18] <Razor-X> rythmbox is stupid, cplay is the way to go, coupled with mpg123 and ogg123 ;)
[06:18] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, no, if you use backports apt-get install kubuntu-desktop won't work...try it
[06:18] <Harold_installin> grphx: I would say the iRiver; I've had great luck with it on Linux.
[06:18] <adwait> aah.ok
[06:18] <auk> ctrl+alt+d
[06:18] <Razor-X> which basically is all the formats I love, MP3, OGG, and FLAC
[06:18] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you must do sudo apt-get install konversation=0.16-1ubuntu1 first
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> really?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, kubuntu-desktop depends on konversation and this guy included a version of konversation that doesn't work with hoary
[06:19] <gm78> grphx, xmms or beep media player work good too, you can also download and compile wma plugins for them
[06:19] <auk> grphx: *
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> I got kubuntu on hoary though
[06:19] <adwait> razor-x: if u hv a large collection, rhythmbox is the only one i hv tried which lets u search
[06:19] <Harold_installin> grphx: But I've also heard the new Archos series has Linux installed on it.
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, it requires kde 3.4.1 libs not in hoary
[06:19] <Razor-X> FLAC pwnz
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> it didn't have any problems
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, do you have backports?\
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> uh...
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, dpkg -l konversation
[06:19] <gm78> If it is some sort of hardware problem with my bios, wouldnt dmesg show some kind of output for it?
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> the only thing I got from backports was w32codecs I believe
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, this only affects users that have backports enabled in their sources
[06:19] <grphx> what the heck
[06:19] <doug_> A Problem: all of a sudden ubuntu won't accept my usb optical mouse.  Any suggestions?
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> ii  konversation          0.16-1ubuntu1         user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE
[06:19] <Razor-X> adwait: cplay does as well
[06:19] <Madpilot> men1: ya. wanted to edit mine to say "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated" - but then I stopped using Windows... :)
[06:19] <grphx> The music player can't handle mp3s?
[06:20] <Razor-X> cplay is all comand-line, though
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you have the hoary version installed
[06:20] <jewel_> aerebus: Take a look at "man 4x mouse"
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> ah
[06:20] <Razor-X> which is what I love about cplay, nice and compact
[06:20] <jewel_> aerebus: There are a lot of settings you can play with
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, konversation 0.18-1~5.04ubp1 is broken
[06:20] <auk> grphx: you need to install an dadditional package
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, read my post -  only affects users that have backports enabled in their source
[06:20] <jasoncohen> sorry
[06:20] <nickrud> !w32codecs
[06:20] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the Backports repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[06:20] <Aerebus> Jewel, sorry my mouse is going crazy right now
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245481#post245481
[06:20] <jewel_> aerebus: Are you still here?  I just realized I have the same mouse
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> hm, ok then.  Well tell people not to have backports enabled when they install kubuntu?
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, i told them how to force the hoary version
[06:21] <Aerebus> Jewel, i'm here
[06:21] <nickrud> hm, that should mention adding those repositories, getting w32codecs, and then commenting out the backports
[06:21] <men1> Madpilot: take a spare partiton and install wndows, use the app, hten remove windows once done
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, it's a one line fix but most users won't know to do it
[06:21] <grphx> Does ubuntu come with a windows emulator?
[06:21] <dbernar1> dont have backports enabled ubnless you are installing something from them...
[06:21] <nickrud> for general use
[06:21] <dbernar1> at all.
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, sudo apt-get install konversation=0.16-1ubuntu1 will install the version from hoary
[06:21] <adwait> how do i search in cplay?
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> k
[06:21] <auk> grphx: install wine
[06:21] <jasoncohen> you can also do the same with synaptic
[06:22] <jewel_> aerebus: The setting I suspect will help you is the samplerate setting
[06:22] <gm78> grphx, what do u mean by windows emulator. wine allows u to use some windows apps, but very few and it is sort of hit and miss. crossover office is a little bit better, but it costs money
[06:22] <Harold_installin> If I want to use xcde3, do I need xserver-xorg?
[06:22] <jewel_> aerebus: But I don't know what you would set it to
[06:22] <adwait> cedega if u want to spend money
[06:23] <gm78> grphx, vmware and win4lin actually allow you to run windows on top of linux
[06:23] <Madpilot> men1: might do that; need to stick XP in a partition anyway to convert some non-Ubuntu-readable files...
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> !windows
[06:23] <ubotu> somebody said windows was Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[06:23] <gm78> grphx, both cost money though
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> !alternative
[06:23] <grphx> Bah I can just reboot to windows, nevermind.
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[06:23] <grphx> I kinda wish I could read/write to my "archives" HD
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> grphx: is it ntfs?
[06:23] <Harold_installin> grphx: Everything doesn't run in Linux, but neither does everything run on Windows.
[06:23] <grphx> yeh
[06:24] <gm78> jewel_, adwait, do u think it is safe to just continue using my computer if it doesnt say anything about heating problems?
[06:24] <Razor-X> be back in a bit, people
[06:24] <tiglionabbit> grphx: you can read it.  You just can't write from linux
[06:24] <Harold_installin> grphx: It depends on the apps you're depending on.  Can you give up those Windows apps, or most of them?
[06:24] <grphx> Yeh
[06:24] <nickrud> Harold_installin yeah, you need X, you can get the minimum by doing aptitude install x-window-system-core
[06:24] <grphx> I do a lot of video/graphic editing..
[06:25] <grphx> But all my music and videos are on that other HD
[06:25] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Do you know how to do this from the terminal?
[06:25] <nickrud> Harold_installin I just did :)
[06:25] <gm78> grphx, what version of windows is installed on the other harddrive?
[06:25] <auk> xp
[06:25] <grphx> xp
[06:25] <tiglionabbit> grphx: ah.  Well, be sure to try gimp, inkscape, and the various 3d graphics programs available.  I'm sure there are some video programs too
[06:25] <nickrud> Harold_installin I recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get, both work
[06:25] <auk> yay, gimp!
[06:26] <nickrud> Harold_installin especially for a fresh install
[06:26] <adwait> gm78: beats me
[06:26] <auk> nickrud: why??
[06:26] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Oh, so I can apt-get install x-window-system-core?  Just like that?
[06:26] <bddebian> Yup
[06:26] <chombee> Does anyone know if there's an f-spot channel? I'm backing up my data, and wondering if all my labels in f-spot are stored somewhere in my homedir? where does f-spot store its config?
[06:26] <nickrud> auk because aptitude tracks what's installed, and it's dependencies, and will, if you use it consistently, remove unused packages
[06:26] <nickrud> Harold_installin yes
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: get xserver-xorg...
[06:27] <grphx> I guess I could just format my NTSF to a Fat32 or whatever Linux has to use
[06:27] <Harold_installin> nickrud:  Dang, wish I had know that before I began my apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop.
[06:27] <tiglionabbit> grphx: sure could, that way both could see it
[06:27] <grphx> Yeh
[06:27] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I believe it's installing.
[06:27] <hgh> sorry this is more of general linux question, but does anybody know how to grep through a directory excluding a specific subset of files?
[06:27] <nickrud> Harold_installin ;(
[06:27] <Harold_installin> nickrud: What can I remove?
[06:27] <grphx> Ah but I have so much installed on that HD *sniff*
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> hgh: excluding?  Why not make your filename wildcard exclude those itself?
[06:28] <auk> nickrud: and apt-get does not?
[06:28] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I mean, what can I safely remove to get xcfe3 installed?  I understand I also need fluxbox.
[06:28] <nickrud> Harold_installin if you're well into the install, and have the disk space, keep it all.
[06:28] <trinidad> HELP! Can someone point me to the easiest way to install the latest nvidia drivers for hoary?
[06:28] <Harold_installin> nickrud: That's just it; i *don't* have much disk space left.  (Only 2GB total).
[06:28] <hgh> tiglionabbit: whats the rgex syntax to exlude?  grep "search spec" "!excluespec" ?
[06:28] <grphx> I'll be back maybe..
[06:28] <chombee> trinidad - if you have added all repositories, i think you can search for nvidia in synaptic
[06:28] <nickrud> Harold_installin hm
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> hgh: * can be replaced with 0 or more characters, and ? can be replaced with exactly one character.  You can use these together, like lib*.??? would match libgl32.abc or something similar
[06:29] <trinidad> thank you chombee, i will try right now
[06:29] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I"m hoping I don't run out before the current install ends.
[06:29] <stisev> Hi all
[06:29] <hgh> tig: but what if the files are more general than that?
[06:29] <trinidad> chombee, the latest version is 7174
[06:29] <chombee> Does anyone know how to set bookmarks, for the Places menu, in GNOME, and if you can set emblems/icons for them?
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: use df -h to see how much space you have, and apt should report the space it will use when you install something
[06:29] <hgh> tig: specifically, say I want to exclude everything that starts with 'ChangeLog'
[06:30] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Thanks, I just found that out earlier.
[06:30] <trinidad> through synaptic, however, nvidia has 7667 on website
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> hgh: hmm...  oh I know there's a way to do that but i've forgotten it
[06:30] <jewel_> hgh: Do this: grep include | grep -v exclude
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> sorry
[06:30] <nickrud> Harold_installin, well, just finish the install, and see what's left.
[06:30] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I should be okay with this current install.
[06:30] <stevenj> To run a "gui" Vim in gnome do I need Vim and gnome-vim?
[06:30] <auk> chombee: AFAIK, not possible in gnome 2.10
[06:30] <trinidad> HELP! Can someone point me to the easiest way to install the latest 7667 nvidia drivers for hoary?
[06:30] <stevenj> I installed VIM but I can only run through terminal
[06:30] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Will do.  Speaking of which, I'm going to go finish it.
[06:31] <auk> trinidad: no reason to repeat
[06:31] <chombee> trinidad - did you find 7174 in Synaptic? If the Ubuntu package is out of date, you might have to download the drivers from Nvidia and compile them. I think Nvidia have an installer
[06:31] <trinidad> they do
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> !nvidia
[06:31] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:31] <trinidad> i will init3 then install
[06:31] <trinidad> brb
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> is this howto correct, guys?
[06:31] <jayparadise> how can i open another instance of gdm ? i'm on fvwm and can't get kde or gnome to launch
[06:31] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I have 332MB left.
[06:31] <auk> chombee: support is suppossed to be coming in future versions
[06:31] <men1> Madpilot: i use a SB Live card to override the sound, silence is better
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> jayparadise: gdmflexiserver
[06:31] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I understand Gnome is going to be dogslow on my 233MHz system.
[06:32] <chombee> auk - support for adding bookmarks? okay. Well for now you can edit .bookmarks i believe, but I just wanted to customise the icons
[06:32] <Lancellor> hello everybody i have a little problem this is the second time this happen don,t know what is going on
[06:32] <auk> chombee: you mean in the places menu?
[06:32] <nickrud> Harold_installin probably, there are some tricks to speed up gnome, but they might not be enough
[06:32] <ramblingturtle23> are us servers having problems or something?
[06:33] <jasmuz> Saludos
[06:33] <chombee> auk - yeah. Another way to add them is to add them as bookmarks in the GNOME file chooser
[06:33] <auk> really?
[06:33] <auk> coole
[06:33] <chombee> auk, yeah
[06:33] <auk> didn't know that
[06:33] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I'll try it, but I have a feeling I'm going to want xcfe3/fluxbox.
[06:33] <auk> so just in the nautilus bookmarks neu?
[06:33] <nickrud> Harold_installin I've been running gnome on a 466 successfully, but I use every trick I know.
[06:33] <tiglionabbit> yeah, when you're opening or saving, it's easy to tell it to pin/add something to its list
[06:33] <chombee> auk, there is a hidden config file in your homedir, it's a very simple file, I dunno what the syntax for customising the icons is though if there is one
[06:33] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I've read reports that it runs slow on my particular system.
[06:34] <auk> hmm i will check it out
[06:34] <Harold_installin> nickrud: That is, I think I have.
[06:34] <men1> Harold_installin: it's a miracle if anyone can do tricks for KDE to run on 166mhz
[06:34] <nickrud> Harold_installin first hand experience is what matters.
[06:34] <Harold_installin> men1: That's a miracle, alright.
[06:34] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Yes, true.
[06:34] <hgh> jewel: good call, thanks... i was trying to find a piece of text in some source, say ABC excluding ChangeLog* files, and found this to work: grep ABC * | grep -v ChangeLog
[06:34] <hgh> thanks
[06:34] <vinux> Any speach recognition pkgs for ubuntu or in source that I can use?
[06:34] <chombee> Am I right in expecting that if I backup my homedir and restore it in a fresh install of Linux all my app configs should be renewed? eg.: downloaded emails in evolution, tagged images in f-spot ?
[06:35] <auk> chombee: not necissarily /all/
[06:35] <Harold_installin> Okay, I suppose it's time for a reboot to see if I've got a GUI on this Mac!
[06:35] <auk> good luck
[06:35] <nickrud> chombee I've done exactly that many times, but I'd move each dot file individually and test
[06:35] <wolverian> chombee: the system daemon configs will be lost, user specific configs will be retained
[06:35] <Lancellor> when i turn on my computer everything is ok until when ubuntu is about to start this is in my screen "pivot_root: no such file or directory  /sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/ console: no such file kernel panic-no synicing: attented to kill init!
[06:35] <nickrud> although, evolution has never failed me
[06:35] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: you shouldn't have to reboot.  Just say startx
[06:36] <wolverian> nickrud: if you do that a lot it might be easier just to use a separate partition for /home
[06:36] <bddebian> Harold_installin: You never told me it was a Smash-n-toss :-)
[06:36] <chombee> auk - evolution seems to have the necessary config files, but I don't find any for f-spot. Seems crazy that f-spot would store all that tagging work elsewhere
[06:36] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Sure I did.  Didn't I?
[06:36] <bddebian> Harold_installin: I think you impied it :-)
[06:36] <auk> lancellor: uh-oh
[06:36] <nickrud> wolverian been doing that for a long time
[06:36] <Lancellor> this happen twice so i have to hard drives with ubuntu
[06:36] <Harold_installin> bddebian: It's a PowerBook.
[06:36] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Wallstreet?
[06:36] <chombee> wolverian - do you know if the f-spot tags will be retained?
[06:36] <auk> lancellor: new install?
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Exactly.
[06:37] <bddebian> Ahh
[06:37] <newbie> any one know how can i connect directly from a home pc to another home pc for file transfer preferrebly through ssh
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Why, do I have some more pain to look forward to?
[06:37] <Ninwa> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me getting Java working with Firefox. I've installed Java with synaptic and I can run Java applications otherwise, but Firefox still says its not installed.
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> chombee, retained in the files? ...
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Was that an "Ah" or an "Ahhhhh!"
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Or rather, an "aaargh!"?
[06:37] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Dunno, I haven't tried Ubuntu on one.  I used to run Debian on a few.
[06:37] <chombee> nomasteryoda - erm... does f-spot insert metadata into the actual files when you tag them?
[06:38] <hilloki> does anyone know to optimize a build for pentium4s?
[06:38] <chombee> if so that'd be great
[06:38] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Okay, I'm off to starx.
[06:38] <Harold_installin> startx
[06:38] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Good luck :-)
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> chombee from what i can tell if you edit the comments, yes... but other tags are in a flatfile db ... from my testing of it
[06:38] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Before I begin, how will I get out of X/return to the terminal?
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> right in the folder with the pics
[06:38] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: so, does it flicker a few times and then fail?
[06:39] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: control-alt-backspace
[06:39] <chombee> nomasteryoda - and do you know where the flat-file db is kept?
[06:39] <bddebian> Harold_installin: That's always the fun part on Mac's isn't it :-)
[06:39] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: actually, that kills X.  To switch between it and the terminal, use control-alt and the F keys
[06:39] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I'll let you know when I try it.  First, I want to transfer the kernel to my BootX partition.
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> chombee, just sec
[06:39] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Thanks for the tips.
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: k.  But right now, play around switching terminals with control-alt-F#
[06:40] <auk> heh
[06:40] <auk> e
[06:40] <auk> i love doing that
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: ubuntu usually sets up the first 6 for text.  The 7th is where X will start, and other X session will go after those
[06:40] <auk> like virtual desktops, but better
[06:40] <bddebian> You have to use shift, ctl, or the apple key on the PowerBooks, I can never remember
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> oh yeah, forgot they have dif keyboards
[06:41] <auk> Ninwa: yes
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> crobably control-command-F#
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> *probably
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> or with option or something =P
[06:41] <bddebian> Aye, I tink
[06:41] <bddebian> err think
[06:42] <bimberi> Ninwa: Have a look at the bottom of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:42] <auk> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:42] <Ninwa> Appreciate it guys :)
[06:42] <bimberi> Ninwa: np - hope it helps
[06:42] <grphx> So does ubuntu come with dvd burning software?
[06:42] <auk> np
[06:42] <levander> What's the best software to stress test a Linux box that you're worried if the cooling is good enough for?
[06:42] <auk> grphx: yep
[06:42] <levander> grphx: graveman, nautilus
[06:43] <levander> grphx: nautilus if all you're gonna do is data dvd's
[06:43] <tiglionabbit> lol
[06:43] <grphx> how do i run that?
[06:43] <tiglionabbit> no no, use uh..  kaffeine
[06:43] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I've been using control-alt-F2 to drop into the terminal.
[06:44] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Anyway, I'm going to get to testing X in a moment.
[06:44] <levander> grphx: from the Places menu on your desktop, or just type nautilus at the command prompt
[06:44] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I'll let you know my progress.
[06:44] <jewel_> levander: I do a md5sum on a bunch of big files
[06:44] <nickrud> no, k3b is best for general burning, at least at the moment
[06:44] <jewel_> levander: That should get the hard drive heating up as well
[06:44] <levander> jewel_: suggestions for these big files?
[06:45] <jewel_> levander: /var/cache/apt/archive/*
[06:45] <grphx> I typed in nautilus and it opened up a window to my desktop
[06:45] <auk> yes...?
[06:45] <jewel_> levander: That might have 500MB worth of files in there if you're lucky
[06:45] <bimberi> grphx: OK - under the "Go" menu you have CD/DVD Creator.  Once you've pasted files in there you can "Write to disc"
[06:45] <grphx> Oh that's it?
[06:45] <nickrud> grphx nautilus is the name of the file manager for ubuntu
[06:46] <grphx> Ah
[06:46] <Madpilot> grphx: Nautilus is Ubuntu's default file viewer
[06:46] <grphx> Or you can simply put in a blank DVD and drag stuff to the icon
[06:46] <auk> uhh, for gnome
[06:46] <Razor-X> back
[06:46] <levander> jewel_: thanks, that's what i'll do tomorrow, going to passive cooling on a dual pentium iii 550 box, hoping it works...
[06:46] <auk> hey
[06:46] <Madpilot> nickrud: beat me to it... :)
[06:46] <jewel_> levander: There might be a better way, see if you find anything on google
[06:46] <nickrud> fingerflick, answered that before :)
[06:46] <bimberi> grphx: sounds like you know more about it than me :)
[06:46] <jasmuz> Can anybody tell me why my sound works with the 2.6.8 kernel and not with the 2.6.10?
[06:47] <Harold_installin> I'm currently transferring my kernel to my BootX partition.  How often is the kernel altered?
[06:47] <levander> jewel_: some reason, there's only 19M in /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:47] <grphx> bimberi: Don't even think about saying that.
[06:47] <jewel_> levander: You've not done much upgrading, apparently... :)
[06:47] <auk> lol
[06:47] <grphx> I've only ran linux for about 2 hours
[06:47] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: often enough ;)
[06:47] <bimberi> :)
[06:47] <trinidad> OK, I've just updated via Ubuntu update manager and have lost sound!
[06:47] <Harold_installin> General question for anyone: I'm currently transferring my kernel to my BootX partition.  How often is the kernel altered?
[06:47] <nickrud> I do love the way nautilus handles data disks.
[06:47] <auk> grphx: how ols are you?
[06:47] <stisev> Hi all
[06:47] <_crimsun> trinidad: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:48] <grphx> That's including the time it took to find a good download, download it, and install it
[06:48] <grphx> 21
[06:48] <stisev> anyone know anything about vmware here?
[06:48] <Razor-X> there's no set interval of time at which a kernel changes
[06:48] <levander> jewel_: well, i'm on hoary, it's has been a few weeks since I've updated though.  Next time I update, there's going to be a lot?
[06:48] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: Is it altered while you upgrade packages/
[06:48] <auk> ah
[06:48] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: yeahp
[06:48] <Razor-X> you can obviously do it manually, but, yeah
[06:48] <trinidad> 0 snd_emu10k1
[06:48] <jewel_> levander: I think there might be an openoffice.org update
[06:48] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: You're kidding.
[06:48] <jewel_> levander: That's 100MB or so
[06:48] <levander> jewel_: you're on hoary and have about 500M in there?
[06:48] <_crimsun> trinidad: please paste the output from ,,amixer'' (without the quotes or commas) onto the pastebin in the topic
[06:48] <jewel_> levander: No, I'm on breezy
[06:49] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: So I have to manually move it to my BootX parition after every install of a package?
[06:49] <jewel_> levander: 500MB is the default limit for that cachec
[06:49] <jasmuz> Can anybody tell me why my sound works with the 2.6.8 kernel and not with the 2.6.10? it think it has to do with the loading of the OSS modules
[06:49] <jewel_> jasmuz: You can check and see what modules are loaded with lsmod
[06:49] <Harold_installin> jasmuz: Wish i could help you there.
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> jasmuz: if you want, you can screw around with it like in this forum post, but it's not guaranteed to help you
[06:49] <jasmuz> jewel_: where should i post em?
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[06:49] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:50] <jewel_> jasmuz: if you have the old kernel still you can boot into both and get the results of that and compare them
[06:50] <trinidad> ok
[06:50] <jewel_> levander: running updatedb should take your hard drive
[06:50] <jasmuz> jewel_: i know...
[06:50] <jewel_> levander: Then you'll have to find something else to run at the same time to keep your processors busy.
[06:51] <Harold_installin> Anyone: When you run an apt-get upgrade, does that affect your kernel?
[06:51] <tiglionabbit> Wow you guys, I just noticed a very interesting bug
[06:51] <jasmuz> jewel_: thing is im not smart enough to find out wat
[06:51] <steven_> hey im trying to download xfce and i cant find most of the packages on synaptic
[06:51] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: What is that?
[06:51] <mihai_> help. I get an mp5 error on libcairo when I try to update firefox with synaptic
[06:51] <levander> jewel_: yeah, good point
[06:51] <grphx> When I'm adding files to the blank DVD, how do I tell how much more I have left to go?
[06:51] <mai> Harold_installin, only if you upgrade the kernel
[06:51] <_crimsun> steven_: enable the universe repo, then install the xfce4 package
[06:51] <steven_> whats hte universe repo?
[06:51] <jewel_> levander: compiling the kernel with the -j3 option should keep both processors busy
[06:51] <trinidad> _crimsun:  it's there
[06:52] <Harold_installin> mai: So you're not upgrading the kernel when you do an apt-get upgrade?
[06:52] <_crimsun> steven_: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[06:52] <Harold_installin> tiglion: What's the bug?
[06:52] <steven_> wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages thats the site
[06:52] <steven_> ok
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, not necessarily
[06:52] <auk> dinner
[06:52] <bimberi> mihai_: there are problems with the us repositories.  Change us.archive to just archive in your sources.list
[06:52] <Harold_installin> mai: I had a feeling you'd say that.  How do you know?
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, if you don't want to upgrade the kernel (but apt wants you to) just hold it
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, it will tell you what applications it will upgrade
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, better yet, use 'aptitude' and it will give you a nice graphical menu
[06:52] <Harold_installin> mai: So how do you hold the kernel?
[06:53] <jewel_> Harold_installin: Just right click on it in synaptic
[06:53] <levander> Harold_installin: good question
[06:53] <jewel_> harold_installin: I think... :)
[06:53] <mai> Harold_installin, in aptitude you would hit '=' on it
[06:53] <levander> Any way to do that with apt-get?
[06:53] <jasmuz> jewel_: may i query you my results?
[06:53] <shad0w1e> help! what do I do with the output of lspci!
[06:53] <_crimsun> trinidad: you need to unmute the External Amplifier
[06:53] <Harold_installin> jewel: Do you know how to do this via the terminal?
[06:53] <shad0w1e> its just giving me a buncha numbers!
[06:53] <trinidad> ok ill try again
[06:53] <trinidad> brb
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: well this has happened several times so far.  Run kaffeine from terminal, open a file and play it.  Then press control-C at terminal...  it closes, but kaffeine is still displayed and playing stuff!  Several seconds later, kaffeine takes over all my system resources and my fan goes wild trying to cool it down
[06:53] <nickrud> Harold_installin right click in synaptic, equals sign in aptitude
[06:54] <nickrud> Harold_installin synaptic is an excellent tool
[06:54] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I've seen behavior similar to that on Xandros.
[06:54] <trinidad> _crimsun:  didn't work
[06:54] <jewel_> Harold_installin: Through aptitude as mai said
[06:55] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Thank you.  How about an apt-get equivalent?
[06:55] <Harold_installin> jewel: I guess I just favor apt-get.
[06:55] <steven_> wait
[06:55] <_crimsun> trinidad: did you increase the volumes of your Master and PCM?
[06:55] <steven_> crimsun
[06:55] <Harold_installin> jewel: I'll have to figure out aptitude.
[06:55] <steven_> the first step in the wiki it says Select computer menu from top of the screen
[06:55] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: what's up with this program?  I don't like it.
[06:55] <steven_> whats that
[06:55] <nickrud> Harold_installin figuring out aptitude is a superior idea :)
[06:55] <stisev> anyone know anything about vmware here?
[06:55] <trinidad> yes
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: hey
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: can you help me out? :(
[06:56] <_crimsun> steven_: you need to choose System instead. That guide was written for Warty.
[06:56] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I didn't mean I'd seen behavior in that program like that, but similar behavior with another app or two on Xandros.
[06:56] <trinidad> _crimsun: yes, I also have played with unmuting the analog/digital jack.
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: I successfully setup VMware on my box
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: installed  vmware tools
[06:56] <jewel_> Harold_installin: I think you edit some configuration file w/ apt-get
[06:56] <_crimsun> trinidad: the analog/digital output jack needs to be ON (unmuted) if you're using analog speakers
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: (on my laptop) but i'm having trouble using any other resolution other than the virtual 650x480
[06:56] <stisev> er 650
[06:56] <Harold_installin> nickrud: aptitude is probably great, I just keep stumbling when using it.
[06:56] <stisev> omg 640
[06:56] <trinidad> stisev:  I am responding to someone  else with the "yes"
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/415005814731
[06:57] <stisev> omg
[06:57] <stisev> lol
[06:57] <Harold_installin> jewel: Perhaps I'll use aptitude, then.
[06:57] <trebuchet> what'd be the name of the kernel source for hoary via apt-get?
[06:57] <trinidad> _crimsun:  I'll tryagain
[06:57] <trinidad> brb
[06:57] <_crimsun> trebuchet: linux-source-2.6.10
[06:57] <trebuchet> thank you
[06:57] <nickrud> Harold_installin there are just a few keystrokes you need to use aptitude effectively.
[06:57] <_crimsun> yw
[06:58] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Really? I just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade and I've still got vmlinux-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-powerpc installed in my /boot.
[06:58] <nickrud> first, / (backstroke) it searches for files
[06:58] <holycow> the i810 driver has ogl acceleration?
[06:58] <holycow> this is weird
[06:58] <holycow> i can play gltron just fine
[06:58] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: was that meant at me?
[06:58] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Basically, it's just "+" and "-", isn't it?
[06:58] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Yes.
[06:58] <holycow> either its all done on the cpu or the i810 driver has got an update
[06:59] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: not sure what you're referring to
[06:59] <trinidad> _crimsun:  this is going to seem odd, but if surround slider is down, I get nothing.  I got sound when I turned the surround volume up
[06:59] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I'm sorry - the linux kernel version.
[06:59] <nickrud> Harold_installin yes, those, and = for holding
[06:59] <_crimsun> trinidad: good
[06:59] <trinidad> :)
[06:59] <grphx> So what's another good CD/DVD burner?
[06:59] <trinidad> whatever works for now ay!
[06:59] <trinidad> thanks again
[06:59] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: right, but I'm not sure why you addressed that to me
[06:59] <_crimsun> trinidad: yw
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: that's the warty kernel - did you change your sources to point at hoary /
[07:00] <levander> if I compile a package using apt-get/dpkg (whatever you're supposed to use) to stress the cpu on my box, is it going to replace the package I've currently got installed?
[07:00] <nickrud> Harold_installin and, shift - (underscore) for purging configurations
[07:00] <Madpilot> grphx: has anyone mentioned gnomebaker yet?
[07:00] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Yes, I certainly did.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> hmm
[07:00] <levander> Madpilot: I was trying to think of that one, read something where Ubuntu wants to standardize on gnomebaker in Breezy
[07:00] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Thank you.
[07:00] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I will learn it, in due time.  (Like soon, I'm sure.)
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: have you rebooted since the dist-upgrade? what does `uname -r ` return?
[07:01] <nickrud> Harold_installin I've been using if for years, I still get suprised at what it does
[07:01] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: One momemt...
[07:01] <supernix> Ok just curious what can use use in Kubuntu to work with your digital camera ?
[07:01] <grphx> So I go to their website and download it?
[07:01] <jasmuz> supernix: Kcam
[07:01] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: <IP_ADDRESS>-3-powerpc
[07:02] <Madpilot> levander: someone mentioned that to me, too. Rythymbox is also supposed to be getting audio burning capability!
[07:02] <supernix> ty jasmuz
[07:02] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: And yes, I've rebooted.
[07:02] <trebuchet> i just installed the kernel source you said but in building this app it stills halts because it can't find a build dir inside the source tree
[07:02] <zlost1> does ubnutu support oldworld mac ?
[07:02] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: still using Warty?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> zlost1: ask Harold_installin
[07:02] <jasmuz> supernix: is your camera supported?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: very odd if you have hoary - what does ` cat /etc/issue ` say?
[07:02] <trebuchet> /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory
[07:02] <trebuchet> make: *** [here]  Error 1
[07:02] <Harold_installin> crimsun: No, it says Hoary when I reboot.
[07:02] <_crimsun> trebuchet: more than likely what you want instead of linux-source-2.6.10 is linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:02] <supernix> not sure I don't see Kcam yet
[07:02] <Madpilot> grphx: gnomebaker is in Ubuntu repos. no need to visit a website...
[07:02] <grphx> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=4
[07:02] <supernix> I am running the LiveDVD of Kubuntu now
[07:02] <grphx> Er
[07:03] <grphx> repos?
[07:03] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: are you trying to use the latest hoary kernel?
[07:03] <zlost1> Harold_installin does ubnutu support oldworld mac ?
[07:03] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog \n \l
[07:03] <Madpilot> grphx: repositories. Open Synaptic, search for "gnomebaker"
[07:03] <nootrope> Anyone: my friend has a Dell with WinXP. He wants to install Ubuntu (HH). His single physical HD is formatted NTFS and currently partitioned into two: C: has 19.7/29.2GB free, and D: has 35.5/45.2 GB free. Ubuntu installation wants me to choose a partition...
[07:03] <Harold_installin> crimsun; yes.
[07:03] <grphx> How do I open up Synaptic?
[07:03] <nickrud> uhh, repos
[07:03] <Harold_installin> zlost1: I'm trying to figure that out.  Stick around.
[07:03] <nootrope> that's D, not D:
[07:04] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: what's the output from ,,apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.10-5-powerpc''?
[07:04] <levander> Anybody has seen an ubuntu package for an application called stress?
[07:04] <zlost1> what are you using for a boot floppy ?
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> grphx: system -> admin -> synaptic
[07:04] <cmatheson_> grphx, type 'sudo synaptic' in the terminal (or go to admin->synaptic)
[07:04] <grphx> Nevermind
[07:04] <Madpilot> grphx: System menu --> Admin --> Syn
[07:04] <nootrope> ...and it doesn't give NTFS as a choice. Does this matter? if I choose the current D partition for Ubuntu, will the ~100GB of data be wiped from it?
[07:05] <grphx> It didn't find gnomebaker
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: you cannot use linux on NTFS, but you can resize an ntfs partition to fit an ext3 partition for linux
[07:05] <Stan__> when trying to boot from Floppy (because PC wont boot from CD), I get "non-system disk or disk error <br> Replace and press any key when ready
[07:05] <nootrope> oops ~10GB, not ~100GB
[07:05] <trebuchet> no way.. ubuntu doesn't come with gcc?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> trebuchet: get build-essential
[07:05] <jasmuz> trebuchet: remember Ubuntu is made for the Desktop users in mind, that dont necesarily compile anything
[07:05] <cmatheson_> trebuchet, aptitude install build-essential
[07:06] <steven_> can i download xfce straight from synaptic
[07:06] <steven_> ?
[07:06] <alberto_> anyone used an ipod with ubuntu ?
[07:06] <nickrud> grphx you need to enable the extra stuff that ubuntu provides, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components for a description, and use https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto to enable them
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> cmatheson_: if he just installed, he probably doesn't have aptitude.  Say apt-get
[07:06] <_crimsun> steven_: yes. Enable the universe repository, then install the xfce4 package.
[07:06] <cmatheson_> tiglionabbit: ubuntu comes w/ aptitude
[07:06] <thoreauputic> steven_: yes, enable universe and install xfce4
[07:06] <steven_> i enabled universe
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> really?
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> oh
[07:06] <steven_> xfce4 pacakage
[07:06] <steven_> ok
[07:06] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I'm not certain how to interpret this.  Under Installed it says none, though...
[07:06] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, thanks. so ext3 is a good choice, after i resize, say, the D partition down. how big should i make the ext3 partition for a beginner's explorations?
[07:07] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: you can paste the output onto the pastebin in the topic
[07:07] <steven_> which package do i install
[07:07] <steven_> is there a specific one
[07:07] <_crimsun> steven_: xfce4
[07:07] <steven_> or should i dl all of them
[07:07] <steven_> ok
[07:07] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I've never done that.
[07:07] <mcdenyer> hey i just installed ubuntu....now what do i do
[07:07] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:07] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:07] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Madpilot
[07:07] <cmatheson_> nootrope: if you're not planning on sticking a bunch of mp3's and crap on there you could just get by w/ like 5G no problem
[07:07] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, i have about 30 GB to play with
[07:07] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Can I do that from the terminal?
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: My ubuntu partition is 10 gigs.  The software for ubuntu I have installed only takes up 3.2 so far, so if you have a separate home directory, you don't need to have much space for your root dir
[07:07] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: just paste the output from that apt-cache command onto that web site
[07:07] <Madpilot> !repositories
[07:07] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: copy and paste
[07:07] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:08] <nootrope> thanks a lot!
[07:08] <mcdenyer> hey what kind of partitions was i supposed to use when i installed ubuntu
[07:08] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Unfortunately, I don't have X running on that Ubuntu system yet.
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: people recommend you make a /home partition and a / partition
[07:08] <mcdenyer> i think i used like ext 3
[07:08] <Madpilot> ok, that does work. can someone train ubotu to respond to "repos" as well as the full name?
[07:08] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Lemme check something...
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: and a swap partition too
[07:08] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: do you have ssh and do it via that?
[07:08] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, both of them ext3?
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: yes.  And swap is its own format
[07:09] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, so three of them
[07:09] <nootrope> ah!
[07:09] <nootrope> okay
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: however, you could make your home directory fat32 instead, if you want it to be readable by windows as well, if you're dual booting
[07:09] <jasmuz> alberto_: use gtkpod
[07:10] <thoreauputic> ubotu, repos is  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:10] <ubotu> okay, thoreauputic
[07:10] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I'm just now running startx for the first time.  Seeing "Ubuntu: for the people" or something like that...
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> Linux for Human Beings, Harold_installin
[07:10] <grphx> Hm there isn't a way to convert a partition from NTSF to Fat32 is there?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: done
[07:10] <grphx> Without formatting
[07:10] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Exactly.  Like that slogan, by the way...
[07:10] <alberto_> im trying
[07:10] <jasmuz> Harold_installin: Cool!
[07:10] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thanks. couldn't remember the ubotu-training syntax - and like to leave it to those better-qualified, anyway... :)
[07:11] <alberto_> jasmuz, im trying but it doesnt sync...
[07:11] <Harold_installin> crimsun: It's a grey screen now; it's probably loading X or something still...
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: you just say " ubotu, <keyword> is < whatever>
[07:11] <jasmuz> alberto_: has your Ubuntu recognized that a deviced is attached?
[07:11] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thnx.
[07:11] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone: I'm seeing an icon!  (Botton left corner)  Still grey everywhere else.  Also got a pointer that moves...
[07:12] <nickrud> ubotu, components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:12] <ubotu> ...but components is already something else...
[07:12] <nickrud> !components
[07:12] <ubotu> components is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[07:12] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone: Brown screen now...
[07:12] <othernoob> almost like sex isn't it Harold :p
[07:12] <alberto_> yes and mounts it
[07:12] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone/othernoob: Yes, it's like sex...
[07:12] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone: ...like sex on a rainy day...
[07:12] <steven_> I LOVE UBUNTUU!!!
[07:13] <grphx> What is that other link refering to components?
[07:13] <Madpilot> grphx: they're both the same content
[07:13] <Madpilot> grphx: just oddness in the wiki
[07:13] <jasmuz> alberto_: then how the heck arent you sync'n?
[07:13] <nickrud> grphx it explains what you're getting from !repositories link
[07:13] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone Omigosh I'm seeing a burst - some starlike thing...an Applications menu...there's more...where's that other Old World user?
[07:13] <mcdenyer> steven
[07:14] <alberto_> jasmuz, it gets the files from the pod
[07:14] <alberto_> but i cant put any on the pod
[07:14] <grphx> Okay so these are I guess a list of programs that people feel that should be available to other Ubuntu users?
[07:14] <mpm> does anyone know if it would be expected to experience an increase in static and noise when converting from .wma to .wav format via mplayer??
[07:14] <nickrud> grphx yes, about 15,000 of them :)
[07:14] <Harold_installin> Everyone: Would I really be wise to try Firefox on this 233MHz Mac PowerBook?
[07:14] <nickrud> or so
[07:14] <Harold_installin> Everyone: Here we go...
[07:15] <jasmuz> alberto_: that is because you are probably mounting it as read-only
[07:15] <grphx> But apparently I don't have a list all of them
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: it will run, but take a while to start
[07:15] <grphx> Like I'm suppose to get gnomebaker, but it doesn't show up on the list
[07:15] <mcdenyer> how much does cedega cost?
[07:15] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: It's running...
[07:15] <alberto_> yup
[07:15] <alberto_> well it was not me
[07:15] <alberto_> it was ubuntu
[07:15] <jewel_> mpm: It should sound the same as listening to the wma file through your headphones
[07:15] <Madpilot> grphx: this might have been posted earlier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:16] <mcdenyer> how much does cedega cost?
[07:16] <jiyuu0> grphx, have u check http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <jewel_> mpm: Unless you're resampling to a lower sampling rate
[07:16] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Firefox isn't running yet, I guess it's starting...
[07:16] <grphx> Madpilot: That link didn't work eailer, but I tried it again and it worked, sorry to have "ignored" it
[07:16] <alberto_> now it syncs
[07:16] <nickrud> grphx gnomebaker is in universe. the components link explains what the universe section is, and the repos link explains how to enable universe
[07:16] <alberto_> but the ipod doesnt play anysongs
[07:17] <vladuz976> hey does "apt-get install base3" make my computer calculate in base 3 instead of base 2?
[07:17] <mpm> jewel what about after burning the wav files to CD?  I hear a degradation after the conversion to wav and a worse one after conversion to CD-audio...
[07:17] <Harold_installin> The only problem I'm seeing, is the screen is still divided into 4 parts.  Must be a display issue.  I learned to ignore it when running the terminal.
[07:17] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: It runs on my pentium 200mmx, 64MB RAM - but it takes a long while to start
[07:17] <jewel_> mpm: There shouldn't be a degredation from wav to CD-audio if your wav file is at 44100 hz
[07:18] <jewel_> mpm: A more common source of degredation would be from converting to a low bitrate mp3 or ogg
[07:18] <trebuchet> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/System.map': No such file
[07:18] <mpm> jewel that's what I thought!
[07:18] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: a quick graphical browser is "dillo" - but it doesn't do javascript, frames etc
[07:18] <niket> just after installing mysql-server package , how to set password of mysql root
[07:18] <mcdenyer> is xchat a private irc network or does it link u to all servers?
[07:19] <jasmuz> jewel_: but from cd to Flac there isnt degradation
[07:19] <jewel_> Harold_installin: You're running gnome on that thing?
[07:19] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Firefox is just now *barely* getting started...
[07:19] <steven_> Ugh
[07:19] <steven_> IM HAVING A CRISIS
[07:19] <steven_> I need helpp
[07:19] <jiyuu0> nickrud, mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:19] <steven_> if someone cna help me with this one problem i will be sooo thankful
[07:19] <grphx> Okay I went to that site, followed it's directions and I still can't get gnomebaker
[07:19] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: I've never heard of dillo; think I'll try it.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: xchat is a client - it will use any network/server you point it at
[07:19] <jiyuu0> oops niket mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:19] <jasmuz> Harold_installin: get xfce4
[07:19] <niket> thanks jiyuu0
[07:19] <steven_> i cant get sound on my xfce or kubuntu
[07:19] <Razor-X> steven_: shoot
[07:19] <steven_> what should i do!!
[07:19] <jasmuz> steven_: what is the issue?
[07:19] <Harold_installin> jewel: I guess so.  Yes, i want that xfce4 thing.  how do I get it installed?
[07:19] <nickrud> jiyuu0 that can't have been ment for me :)
[07:19] <Stan__> does anyone here use wirless internet on unbuntu succesfully?
[07:20] <mcdenyer> oh ok
[07:20] <mai> steven_: yuou probably just need to run esd
[07:20] <steven_> i cant get sound on xfce or kubuntu but gnome i get perfect soudn
[07:20] <jewel_> Stan__: Yes
[07:20] <Razor-X> Stan__: many, me not included
[07:20] <steven_> how do i do this
[07:20] <steven_> im an oob
[07:20] <Razor-X> mai: ugggghhh
[07:20] <steven_> *noob
[07:20] <Razor-X> let me say something
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: dillo is quite nice, but somewhat limited - good for searching on google, locl files, simple web pages etc
[07:20] <jiyuu0> nickrud, auto tab nick prob... sorry
[07:20] <Razor-X> ESD IS NOT USED IN KUBUNTU
[07:20] <jasmuz> steven_: im going to query you
[07:20] <Stan__> jewel, what hardware is recommended?
[07:20] <jewel_> steven_: What does ps aux | grep esd say?
[07:20] <Razor-X> thank you very much ;)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: it *is* fast though
[07:20] <nickrud> jiyuu0 if I'd been patient .... but I'm not ;)
[07:20] <jewel_> Stan__: You need a supported wireless card
[07:20] <Razor-X> jewel_: did you see my all caps message?
[07:21] <mai> Razor-X: chill out
[07:21] <jewel_> Stan__: Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of them around
[07:21] <Razor-X> steven_: put ps -e in pastebin for me
[07:21] <mcdenyer> r there any good free win32 emulators???
[07:21] <mai> mcdenyer: wine
[07:21] <MrJung_> if i do this "which  ping || echo no && which  pong || echo no" i see the path  but, i wan't see the path, how can i do ?
[07:21] <IceDC571> mcdenyer: qemu
[07:21] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: qemu
[07:21] <IceDC571> wine is not an emulator
[07:21] <Stan__> jewel, i will check unbuntu.com, does that list the supported ones?
[07:21] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: depends on your goal, accuarate emulation, OS to emulate, quick, exactly ;)
[07:21] <mcdenyer> i heard they dont work very well
[07:21] <mai> IceDC571: does he really need an emulator, or just something that will run win32 apps?
[07:21] <mcdenyer> i want to play cs 1.6
[07:21] <jewel_> Stan__: I've had a lot of success with the Intel 2200
[07:21] <mcdenyer> on steam
[07:22] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: you want Cedega
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: If you're looking for a 802.11 G card
[07:22] <IceDC571> lol.. talk about emulating games
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: There are a lot more 802.11b cards support
[07:22] <mcdenyer> yeah but cedega costs...
[07:22] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: complie from CVS
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: The atheros cards are supported, but you need special binary drivers
[07:22] <mai> mcdenyer: winex (i've never used it)?
[07:22] <Stan__> jewel, is this expensive?  This is just a test PC for linux, not looking to spend a lot
[07:22] <Razor-X> mai: winex == old cedega
[07:22] <IceDC571> The atheros cards work out of the box for me
[07:22] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Oh yeah, I've gotta try it.  There's *no way* I'm going to be using Gnome on this old Mac.
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: Then get a $20 802.11B card
[07:22] <mai> Razor-X: oh... i've been out of the computer-scene for a couple years
[07:22] <mcdenyer> and i dont want to pirate anything that has to do with linux
[07:23] <Stan__> ok
[07:23] <mcdenyer> lol i support linux distors
[07:23] <Razor-X> mai: heh, well welcome back ;)
[07:23] <jewel_> IceDB571: Yes, it works, but it doesn't have an open source driver, so it's not nearly as fancy
[07:23] <Razor-X> laugh-out-loud ;)
[07:23] <linuxn00b> Hi, how do I mount a hard drive using the hoary live cd??
[07:23] <Razor-X> sorry, I had to do that
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: use xfce4 or something really light like icewm or one of the *box window managers
[07:23] <Razor-X> too much 'lol'ness in here
[07:23] <mcdenyer> how do u do that name thing where your message is red for the person u r directing it to?
[07:23] <mcdenyer> irc noob
[07:23] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: XFce is awesome
[07:23] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: How do I find out what to install/remove?
[07:24] <grphx> I marked gnomebaker for installation, now how do I install it?
[07:24] <mai> mcdenyer: that's a feature of your client, you don't need to do anything
[07:24] <mcdenyer> ?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, it's very good indeed :)
[07:24] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: I understand I'm going to need fluxbox or something?
[07:24] <jewel_> Stan__: Search around and make sure it's supported... you don't want one that needs ndiswrapper
[07:24] <trebuchet> i've got an error in building a driver: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/System.map': No such file
[07:24] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: if someone addresses you (i'm prepending the message with mcdenyer:) then, it highlights red
[07:24] <IceDC571> qemu crashes every time i try to install windows :(
[07:24] <IceDC571> oh well
[07:24] <Stan__> jewel, ok thanks i will search
[07:24] <IceDC571> off to vmware for me
[07:24] <Razor-X> of course, I have BitchX, so I don't use anything like that
[07:24] <IceDC571> 30 days is enough time
[07:24] <Razor-X> *get anything
[07:24] <jewel_> grphx: Hit "apply"
[07:24] <Madpilot> grphx: just click "Apply" in Syn
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: xfce4 would probably run OK - or fluxbox, yes
[07:24] <grphx> Thanks
[07:25] <mcdenyer> Razor-X is there anyway i dont have to keep typing your name over and over again?
[07:25] <Razor-X> I want .hack//SIGN OST 3 :(
[07:25] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: tab complete ;)
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: gtk-gnutella?
[07:25] <jewel_> trebuchet: Is that file in /boot ?
[07:25] <Razor-X> I long gave up typing people's names, feh
[07:25] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: something along those lines, yes ;)
[07:25] <mcdenyer> complete?
[07:25] <mcdenyer> lol whats complete
[07:25] <trebuchet> System.map-2.6.10-5-386
[07:25] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: i'm not 100% sure in XChat, but in BitchX, type in part of the name and hit Tab
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: in irssi, I can hit tab and it will type out your name
[07:26] <Razor-X> and voila, C'est un nom
[07:26] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: try for example thore <tab>
[07:26] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: ewww, irssi ;)
[07:26] <niket> mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password | not works for me.. gives error | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)'
[07:26] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic, ok workewd
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: ew?
[07:26] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hah, yeahp
[07:26] <Razor-X> irssi is like BitchX in every way but a spare few
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> irssi is awesome, whatchoo talkin bout
[07:26] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic, so u use a comma and not one of these things : lol
[07:26] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic, ?
[07:26] <Razor-X> and those little differences just make it so unusable for me
[07:26] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:26] <jewel_> niket: I think it's --password=db_user_password
[07:26] <mcdenyer> ugh im such a noob
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: irssi is better than bitchx in every way
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: irssi is a lifesaver if you want torun without X, say over ssh
[07:26] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: to each his own, it's your choice
[07:27] <mcdenyer> Razor-X, ?
[07:27] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: this BitchX is being run over SSH now ;)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: you can change that in prefs
[07:27] <mcdenyer> oh ok
[07:27] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hell no, in your dreams ;)
[07:27] <supernix> Hiya guys can someone help me with my Kodak digital camera? I am using Kubuntu 5.04
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: well at least irssi wraps lines without breaking them!
[07:27] <Razor-X> I do almost all my chatting on SSH, don't let my machine dabble it
[07:27] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: fine fine, you have me there
[07:28] <niket> jewel_ : not works
[07:28] <jasmuz> supernix: is it supported?
[07:28] <Razor-X> there's probably a script to remedy that, anyways
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: hmm... I kind of have a prejudice against bitchx for its lame default quit messages ;)
[07:28] <supernix> How can I find out ?
[07:28] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: that's why you either customize your quit messages... or never quit, like me ;)
[07:28] <supernix> I know that I can see it in the settings that it is detected
[07:28] <mcdenyer> Razor-X:
[07:28] <Razor-X> I just detach my screen session (soon to be an emacs session)
[07:28] <jasmuz> supernix: if it is you could mount it as a USB disk
[07:28] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: yes?
[07:28] <mcdenyer> Raskall: ok got it
[07:28] <Aerebus> Anyone wanna take a shot at my iffy mouse problem?
[07:28] <Hackmo> Hey all, anyone got any clues on how to get my webcam working?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: thanks, but I'm quite happy with xchat or irssi :)
[07:28] <jasmuz> supernix: you would have to browse the web, in google.com/linux
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: lol.  But irssi is better in many other ways too, like how you can connect to a ton of different channels at the same time and it keeps their messages separate (alt-# switch) and reports their activity all the time.  You can also use multiple servers
[07:29] <trebuchet> anybody recognise: unknown symbol videobuf_dvb_unregister
[07:29] <niket> i just want to know steps after apt-get install mysql-server what should i do
[07:29] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: lol i got : to work lol
[07:29] <Razor-X> some people append commas after names, others append colons, still others yet use the pipe-to-file character (>), and lastly, the hyphen
[07:29] <supernix> thanks jasmuz
[07:29] <jewel_> niket: What are you trying to do?
[07:29] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: how exciting
[07:29] <jasmuz> supernix: look for your camera model in linux
[07:29] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: so can you in BitchX
[07:29] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how do I make it so bitchx separates the messages from different channels?
[07:29] <Razor-X> well, it doesen't matter to me
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> it's really annoying
[07:29] <Razor-X> I can read well-enough as the next guy-or-gal
[07:29] <mcdenyer> anyone up for explainig to me how apps are installed into the linux distro filesystem thing
[07:30] <mcdenyer> ???
[07:30] <Razor-X> maybe better ;)
[07:30] <niket> jewel_ just want to add database do not knows password of root user and do not know how to add user
[07:30] <Razor-X> and, you can do multi-servers in BitchX
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yeah but sometimes it's nice to be able to pay attention to a single channel when several of them are active
[07:30] <jewel_> niket: I think the default password is blank
[07:30] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: how often do you get channel notices?
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> what?
[07:30] <jewel_> Try `mysql -u root -p`
[07:30] <Razor-X> I'm not seeing all channel messages in one window
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> you're not?
[07:30] <Razor-X> I have different windows restricted to different channels and queries, of COURSE
[07:30] <niket> jewel_ on FC its works but not on ubunut
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how?
[07:31] <Razor-X> i'ld die having to sort out through all that ;)
[07:31] <LoneLy> hai
[07:31] <othernoob> mcdenyer on ubuntu with a .deb file dpkg -i filename.deb or via synaptic/kynaptic or apt-get
[07:31] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I had to kill Gnome; that was a painful experience.
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: aw...
[07:31] <LoneLy> hai
[07:31] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: the FAQ has a very easy to bind command for that, and in recent versions, if you join one channel with an already connected one, it quits
[07:31] <mai> niket: maybe try 'dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server' (not positive about this one, but it's worth a shot)
[07:31] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Pretty desktop, though.
[07:31] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: basically, you have to get a hang of the windowing system
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: ew
[07:31] <jasmuz> LoneLy: hey
[07:31] <phaedrus_> !request http://www.kellymadison.com/members/home/  (netbilling)
[07:31] <ubotu> phaedrus_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:31] <Razor-X> I can get a ton of channels running here through screen and BitchX windowing
[07:31] <mcdenyer> othernoob: lol i have know idea what your talking about this is my first day of ever usingany linux distro
[07:31] <niket> mai thanks
[07:32] <grphx> So what's a good mp3 player?
[07:32] <phaedrus_> huh?
[07:32] <jewel_> niket:  I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've done it
[07:32] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: my .bitchxrc means I hit /join, and a new window auto-pops-up
[07:32] <mai> grphx: beep-media-player, rythmbox...
[07:32] <tiglionabbit> I don't like that solution.  I like how irssi allows me to run only ONE instance of itself, yet handle unlimited amounts of channels and servers SEPARATELY
[07:32] <raza> if I'm getting an MD5Sum mismatch error trying to apt-get install something, should i try to find another mirror?
[07:32] <Poromies> grphx: xmms, amaroK
[07:32] <jasmuz> grphx: Xmms, Beep media player, Amarok, muine
[07:32] <Hackmo> anyone got any idea on how to get my webcam working?
[07:32] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: I run one instance per-server, only beacuse it's inconvenient to manage more than 10 windows in one application
[07:32] <mcdenyer> i need some practice.....i need an app to try and install on ubuntu
[07:32] <mai> seriously people the text-based irc clients are not worth the debate
[07:32] <jasmuz> Hackmo: is your webcam supported?
[07:32] <Razor-X> I gave an average of 4-14 windows per server
[07:32] <The_Vox> amarok rocks...but it seriously hates me
[07:32] <Razor-X> mai: they are, XChat user ;)
[07:33] <othernoob> mcdenyer: lol well, you maybe have seen the konsole.. that's where you'd use dpkg -i...., synpatic is ubuntus installmanager
[07:33] <Hackmo> jasmuz: yes
[07:33] <mcdenyer> i dont get how to install linux apps
[07:33] <jasmuz> Hackmo: what do you need to do then?
[07:33] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: apt-get/synaptic is the general method
[07:33] <mai> Razor-X: haha, i use the text-based ones too (but if you really wanna get me involved i prefer irssi too (or epic4)
[07:33] <othernoob> mcdenyer: you maybe want to edit your sources.list firs though
[07:33] <othernoob> first*
[07:33] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: try typing  sudo apt-get install gftp  :)
[07:33] <Hackmo> jasmuz: it doesn't work, i'm getting an error that it is already in use when I try to use it
[07:33] <The_Vox> mcdenyer: "sudo aptitude install whateverapp" in your nearest terminal.
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[07:33] <mcdenyer> othernoob: OH!!!! thats what synaptic is and thats why everyone is talking about it lol
[07:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:33] <Razor-X> mai: not many BitchX users left ;) only because irssi tends to be defacto in newer distros
[07:33] <Harold_installin> Who was a talking with about my kernel not upgrading?
[07:33] <mcdenyer> yea i already edited the list
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: it's not that hard, you can just use synaptic
[07:33] <Razor-X> actually, in an older distro, BitchX was defacto, whence I adjusted to BitchX
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[07:33] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:33] <mcdenyer> some guy helped me do that eralier
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[07:33] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic, was that you?
[07:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:34] <jasmuz> Hackmo: that is odd
[07:34] <othernoob> mcdenyer: lol yep :)
[07:34] <mcdenyer> ok ty much all
[07:34] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: me
[07:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:34] <trebuchet> grr.. i'm having problems getting this a/v card working
[07:34] <Hackmo> jasmuz: yeah it is, any clues on how to sort it?
[07:34] <mcdenyer> what should i install lol
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: briefly a while ago, yeah
[07:34] <othernoob> porn :D
[07:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:34] <Razor-X> err, ok then, two people ;)
[07:34] <mcdenyer> how do u install porn?
[07:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:34] <mcdenyer> i thought those were an image
[07:34] <jasmuz> Hackmo: what proggy are you trying to use it with
[07:34] <Razor-X> othernoob: don't take that name here ;) that's nasty stuff (literallly)
[07:34] <Poromies> apt-get install porn
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> you don't install porn, you download it
[07:34] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  With apt
[07:34] <Poromies> :D
[07:35] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:35] <trebuchet> lspci calls this card a Zoran Corporation ZR36057PQC
[07:35] <othernoob> lol sowwy Razor-X ;)
[07:35] <Razor-X> you can also get pork ;)
[07:35] <trebuchet> Zoran Corporation ZR36057PQC
[07:35] <mcdenyer> well i want to install a program
[07:35] <Hackmo> jasmuz: i've tried multiple programs and I get the same error from all of them
[07:35] <Hackmo> jasmuz: apart from gnome-meeting that gives me a different error
[07:35] <Poromies> you need to activate the porn repos
[07:35] <Razor-X> too.... much.... laugh-out-loud'ness.... noooooooo!!!!
[07:35] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: sudo aptitude install pornview  (seriously !)
[07:35] <Harold_installin> Fellows/ladies: So when I started X and went into Gnome, there was a message there that stated that I could upgrade a few packages, including linux-kernel-image or something.  So now that I'm back in the terminal, I've run an apt-get dist-upgrade.
[07:35] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic: lol
[07:35] <The_Vox> Razor-X: what was the debian cow thing?
[07:35] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: meh, I dunno, I got really tired of how bitchx would break my lines and thread everything together unless I ran multiple instances.  Now that I've got irssi, I have it connect to freenode and feed nickserv my password on startup, and I have all my windows within the same instance, and can see their activity with the colors of their window numbers...  it's uh, neat
[07:36] <jasmuz> Hackmo: how did you know that the system recognized it?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: it exists - it's an image viewer ;)
[07:36] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:36] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: that must be a pretty ancient version of BitchX
[07:36] <othernoob> thoreauputic: is it good?
[07:36] <Razor-X> The_Vox: huh?
[07:36] <mcdenyer> fuck people give msomething to install
[07:36] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:36] <thoreauputic> othernoob: it's OK - I prefer gqview
[07:36] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Is irssi a terminal app?
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: yes
[07:36] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:36] <mcdenyer> besides porn
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: but as graphical as it needs to be
[07:36] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: use BitchX ;)
[07:36] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:36] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: yeah!
[07:36] <The_Vox> Razor-X: never seen the cow thing?
[07:36] <Razor-X> actually, use what you're most comfortable with
[07:36] <Razor-X> The_Vox: nopes
[07:36] <D1> can anyone recommend some good mono apps besides muine?
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> ok, I'm going to try bitchx for a moment
[07:36] <Hackmo> jasmuz: because the red light that turns on when it's in use goes on during boot up
[07:37] <othernoob> mcdenyer: install mplayer..or something..
[07:37] <Poromies> irssi is the best irc-client ever o/
[07:37] <thoreauputic> apt-get moo
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> w00t to that, Poromies
[07:37] <Razor-X> I think what really increases my reading speed, more than constant Fantasy reading, is this chatroom
[07:37] <Harold_installin> Is there a version of X-Chat Aqua?
[07:37] <Hackmo> jasmuz: it's also the only philips cam that should work out of the box with Ubuntu, I remember reading that somewhere on the Ubuntu site but I can't find the page now
[07:37] <The_Vox> Razor-X: sudo aptitude install cowsay
[07:37] <jasmuz> Hackmo: that isnt a proper way to make sure its recognized!
[07:37] <Razor-X> managing tech support with 3 people in between a flood of messages takes skill, one that takes a while to develop ;)
[07:37] <Razor-X> The_Vox: mmmmkay
[07:37] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: i get this error
[07:37] <mcdenyer> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:37] <mcdenyer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:37] <Harold_installin> X-Chat Aqua is the Mac OS X IRC app I'm currently using.
[07:37] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: still has the same behavior, in the ubuntu version
[07:38] <Razor-X> specifically prepend the 'sudo'
[07:38] <Hackmo> jasmuz: can you give me a better way to check then please?
[07:38] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: odd... then my sysadmin's a real god ;)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: you have multiple apt instances running
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how do I make bitchx separate windows?
[07:38] <The_Vox> Razor-X: then: cowsay this is a test
[07:38] <othernoob> mcdenyer then you're running synaptic and you're trying to install it via konsole i assume
[07:38] <jasmuz> Hackmo: check your query
[07:38] <Harold_installin> Can anyone tell me how I'm going to live with Windows now?
[07:38] <Poromies> mcdenyer: close synaptic when you are using apt from commandline
[07:38] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: there'r commands for it, i've bound them specifically though
[07:38] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: whats an apt?
[07:38] <Harold_installin> Now that I'm in the Ubuntu world?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[07:38] <ubotu> apt is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[07:38] <othernoob> Harold_installin:  miserable? :p
[07:38] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: apt is the package manager
[07:38] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:38] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: oh well im installing updates right now thats the problem
[07:39] <Poromies> synaptic is graphical front-end to apt
[07:39] <Razor-X> at least, the default package manager
[07:39] <Razor-X> I, myself, use aptitude
[07:39] <mcdenyer> damn learning a new os is so exciting
[07:39] <othernoob> why Razor-X?
[07:39] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:39] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: damn straight ;)
[07:39] <grphx> heh
[07:39] <Razor-X> othernoob: because it's better than apt-get
[07:39] <jewel_> mcdenyer: You made the right choice for a new one to learn, too
[07:39] <Razor-X> errr, apt rather
[07:39] <raza> Anyone here running Synergy?
[07:39] <Razor-X> since there are many variants of apt
[07:39] <othernoob> what's it doing better?
[07:40] <grphx> I'm not trying to learn this OS right now, I'm just trying to get my mp3s to play so i can have some music to sleep to!
[07:40] <Madpilot> "aptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken." <-- oh boy...
[07:40] <mcdenyer> lol yeah my bro has a friend who went stragiht to the army to be a encrypter
[07:40] <othernoob> i hardly use apt or kynaptic so i dont know
[07:40] <Razor-X> othernoob: has a nice curses interface if you invoke it normall, which I do on occasion, and can work just like apt-get if you want it to
[07:40] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: hes a crazy linux guy
[07:40] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: ;)
[07:40] <Razor-X> I'm pushing for maintainership
[07:40] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: he wrote a sweet file sharing program i guess
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: aptitude is like a console version of synaptic.  It lets you browse through the available packages
[07:40] <Razor-X> and I promise the people, the first thing I do, compile as much proprietary support in VLC as I can and put it IN THE REPOS!!!!!
[07:41] <Razor-X> *will do
[07:41] <Poromies> grphx: just "apt-get install <mediaplayer>" like xmms
[07:41] <wolverian> othernoob: aptitude is for those who don't want to move their hands from the keyboard :)
[07:41] <othernoob> i see. i tend to compile most of the things i install..which isn't that much lately
[07:41] <othernoob> lol
[07:41] <Madpilot> grphx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats <-- for your mp3s
[07:41] <Razor-X> othernoob: ahhh, I see
[07:41] <Razor-X> I compile my most-used things
[07:41] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: lol what am i installing btw?
[07:41] <Razor-X> like my Eterm is custom compiled
[07:41] <grphx> I got Xmms..
[07:41] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: a media-player
[07:41] <grphx> But everytime  I load an mp3 in there it wont' play
[07:41] <Razor-X> that far outpaces anything else, IMHO
[07:41] <mcdenyer> Razor-X:  i just got it started
[07:41] <wolverian> grphx: go read that wikipage
[07:41] <Razor-X> wow, I think I just broke a new typing plateau
[07:41] <Razor-X> this channel gives you adrenaline ;)
[07:41] <mai> grphx: go check the wiki for restricted formats
[07:42] <wolverian> grphx: also, xmms is a horrible, horrible program. use rhythmbox, please, or muine. :)
[07:42] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: oh will this come with a dvd encoder?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> grphx: enable the esound output plugin in prefs
[07:42] <wolverian> grphx: programs that don't conform to the desktop's interface suck.
[07:42] <Razor-X> wolverian: hell no, VLC is teh way to go ;)
[07:42] <grphx> I'm guessing mp3s are restricted?
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> why not beep-media-player?
[07:42] <Poromies> grphx: check that madpilots wiki-link
[07:42] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: if you mean decoder, then, yes
[07:42] <jewel_> Or, if you like the "winamp" interface, then beep-media-player is good
[07:42] <Poromies> wolverian: :(
[07:42] <Razor-X> *the
[07:42] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: LOL
[07:42] <wolverian> Razor-X: that's slightly better, but its interface isn't as simple as it could be, either.
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what is the official difference between beep-media-player and xmms?
[07:42] <Razor-X> I gave up Winamp a while back
[07:42] <wolverian> Poromies: why the sad face? :)
[07:42] <steven_> jasmuz, no luck =(
[07:42] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: im such a noob
[07:42] <steven_> it still didnt work
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> when I run one while the other is open, it commands the other one, as if they are actually the same program
[07:42] <The_Vox> Razor-X: did you check the cow thing? :)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: beep is a gtk2 fork of xmms
[07:43] <Razor-X> wolverian: I suggest anyone who idolizes interfaces that much to go shower themselves in syrup, and not wash
[07:43] <wolverian> tiglionabbit: bmp uses gtk2 (when it chooses to actually use widgets instead of its own silly themes)
[07:43] <Razor-X> The_Vox: ahhh, I forgot ;) I installed it
[07:43] <Razor-X> how do I invoke cowspeak?
[07:43] <wolverian> Razor-X: I don't idolize interfaces.  I was speaking about application-specific themes
[07:44] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: ok
[07:44] <Razor-X> Bryan_w: there are different variants of curses, ncurses being my farovite
[07:44] <thoreauputic> wolverian: apt-get install cplay and use the consistent CLI interface ;-)
[07:44] <steven_> I dont have sound on Kubuntu or xfce but on Gnome i do.. why is this so? can anyone help meee im desperate =(
[07:44] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ahhh, the best of the best ;)
[07:44] <mcdenyer> hmm my sound was working fine before i updated and now it doest work???
[07:44] <wolverian> thoreauputic: again, cli isn't what I was talking about, but thanks for the pointer :)
[07:44] <eternale1> arrggh ssh just work already .....
[07:44] <thoreauputic> wolverian: I was kidding :)
[07:44] <Razor-X> The_Vox: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[07:44] <Razor-X> CLI is what I live in
[07:44] <Ne0-Aw> Hi, i delted my /etc/apache2 thinking that apt-get install apache2 would put back those files in /etc
[07:44] <jasmuz> steven_: do on a command line ps aux to and check if ESD is running
[07:45] <Ne0-Aw> how can i get them back?
[07:45] <The_Vox> Razor-X: the debian cow rules :)
[07:45] <wolverian> Razor-X: what window manager do you use? :)
[07:45] <mai> steven_: seriously you need to check out what daemon you're programs are wanting to pipe their sound through, it almost certainly has to do w/ esd
[07:45] <wolverian> Razor-X: (if any)
[07:45] <Razor-X> my text editor, my special terminal, my media player
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> say guys, has anyone tried to compile this?  http://scourge.sourceforge.net/   It doesn't appear to detect ANY of the things it requires on my system...  even though I have the dev libs of most of its dependencies
[07:45] <Razor-X> wolverian: KDE... it looks good as a background ;)
[07:45] <jasmuz> steven_: or change the Sound daemon you use for your applications to ALSA
[07:45] <steven_> Ok
[07:45] <steven_> what do i do first
[07:45] <wolverian> Razor-X: hmm. ever tried ion, or ratpoison? :)
[07:45] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: you sure you have the dev version of the libs?
[07:45] <Razor-X> wolverian: never heard of the former, was considering the latter
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yes.  And exactly what libs does it need?
[07:46] <steven_> what do i do first
[07:46] <beatyou> Hi, i delted my /etc/apache2 thinking that apt-get install apache2 would put back those files in /etc
[07:46] <beatyou> how can i get them back?
[07:46] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: the website.... or the config process should tell you
[07:46] <jewel_> Razor-X: Even better than ratpoison is wmii
[07:46] <mcdenyer> hey why does my sound sometimes work an other times my computer beeps lol
[07:46] <Razor-X> beatyou: apt-get remove apache2 & apt-get install apache2
[07:46] <wolverian> Razor-X: ratpoison is even more barebones than ion, ion (ion3 to be specific) has floating windows optionally, and I like its keys better.
[07:46] <Razor-X> jewel_: hmmm, is it?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> beatyou: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[07:46] <Razor-X> wolverian: I was also considering E
[07:46] <Hackmo> Hey, can anyone help me out with my webcam problem?
[07:46] <niket> jewel_ : after reconfig its adviced me to set root password in /root/.my.cnf can i know how to put lines in that file
[07:46] <Razor-X> E has eye candy, but not the syrupy kind
[07:47] <Razor-X> the nice, dark, basking kind ;)
[07:47] <wolverian> Razor-X: enlightement?
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: the website doesn't say, and configure has many errors ending up with configure: error: Cannot find GL library
[07:47] <Razor-X> wolverian: the one and only
[07:47] <steven_> I dont have sound on Kubuntu or xfce but on Gnome i do.. why is this so? can anyone help meee im desperate =(
[07:47] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: then get the opengl dev libraries ;)
[07:47] <steven_> ive tried going on ps aux
[07:47] <jewel_> steven_: try typing killall esd
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: what are they called?
[07:47] <Razor-X> steven_: put ps -e on pastebin for me