[07:00] <jb_> how do i blacklist the hostap and hostap_cs
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> jb_: I am not 100% certain you need to do that - can you just not see any accesspoints with iwlist wifi0 scan ?
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> jb_: just replug the card and hotplug should sort it out . iwlist wlan0 scan sorry
[07:03] <nixternal> groovis: i believe i have found a bug with the "Left Click Action" in Embedding of .deb files. There is a click for "Ask whether to save to disk instead"...im playing with that and looking a the rc file to see if it updates
[07:03] <nixternal> konqi is a tank...its a beast of an app
[07:03] <groovis> nixternal: uh-huh...
[07:03] <groovis> nixternal: http://www.skinbase.org/winamp.php
[07:03] <groovis> try that link too
[07:04] <groovis> nixternal: click the download, and kate will open the .wzl(?) extension
[07:04] <groovis> nixternal: any skin...
[07:04] <nixternal> yup
[07:04] <nixternal> that is garbage
[07:04] <nixternal> it is these little things that push me away from konqi too
[07:05] <groovis> nixternal: and to think I switched from slack for this ;)
[07:05] <nixternal> i am using FF, which just happens to be one of the worst browsers in existance
[07:05] <groovis> nixternal: it works in FF...I don't have the problem there, but I prefer Konq.
[07:05] <nixternal> slack support though is just starting to do that...slack..their updates are becoming few and far between
[07:06] <groovis> nixternal: what drove me away was trying to install Ekiga 2.0 beta (dpendency f'ing hell)
[07:06] <stefan_> whats wrong with firefox exactly?
[07:06] <nixternal> heh..ok..i did the little click thing right..and then said "Apply", and now it is in an infinite "Updating system configuration" loop
[07:06] <groovis> nixternal: apt-get is niiiiice ;)
[07:06] <nixternal> good stuff
[07:06] <groovis> lol
[07:06] <groovis> nice work nixternal
[07:06] <nixternal> stefan_: firefox is slow for one
[07:07] <nixternal> that is the biggen...2...the vulnerabilities are slower then their upgrades..almost microsoft style
[07:07] <groovis> afk
[07:07] <nixternal> but that is an offtopic discussion
[07:07] <jb_> h3sp4wn: that kicked me out of the lan, now i am back
[07:07] <nixternal> groovis made me break my konqi
[07:07] <jb_> rmmod did not bring any changes
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> jb_: run sudo wpa_cli
[07:08] <jb_> he says: Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying
[07:08] <jb_> but my card does not support wpa at all
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> jb: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> jb: wpa_supplicant is in software
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> jb: hostap supports wext
[07:09] <jb_> Failed to read read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'.
[07:10] <jb_> i touch it first?
[07:10] <jb_> touch /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> jb: touch it and just add only this line to the file ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> jb: ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
[07:11] <tnt2> share your knowledge
[07:11] <tnt2> :)
[07:12] <jb_> done, the error "could not connect to wpa_supplicant" remains
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> jb: sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:12] <yogi> Can anyone help me finger out why the webcam doesn't work with kopete??
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> jb_: sudo wpa_cli
[07:12] <nixternal> yogi: #kopete
[07:12] <jb_> tons of messages, most "no such device"
[07:13] <dr_willis> ive never had a webcam work yet for me under linux
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> jb_: ifconfig -a
[07:13] <jb_> !pastebin
[07:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:13] <jb_> pasted it with your nick
[07:14] <yogi> dr_willis: The web cam works, otherwise, but just not w/kopete.
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> jb_: What is the url ? (try starting it with sudo wpa_supplicant -Dhostap -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:15] <yogi> dr_willis:When I issue the command 'send webcam' the system locks up tight in a few seconds.  Absolutely nothing in the logs, either, past letting me know the driver registered.
[07:15] <nixternal> yogi: best bet for a good answer is the kopete channel. i know there have been issues with it, and the guys there will rock it out for you
[07:15] <jb_> ifconfig -a is pasted with at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17022
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> jb_ is it a laptop ? with 2 network cards ?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Is is eth0 and eth1 both wired connections ?
[07:17] <jb_> eth0 is lan, eth1 is wlan. but when i off eth0 i am out of the lan, disconnected
[07:17] <jb_> i maintain eth0 just for being able to talk to you
[07:17] <jb_> eth1 is pcmcia, eth0 is builtin
[07:18] <yogi> nixternal:Thanks a bunch! :-)
[07:18] <dr_willis> yogi,  had similer issues with all 3 of my webcams. :(
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwlist eth1 scan
[07:19] <jb_> eth1      Failed to read scan data : No data available
[07:19] <groovis> does anyone have Kopete and web cams working?
[07:19] <groovis> I just use ekiga
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Is hermes in lsmod ?
[07:23] <jb_> yes: hermes                  7808  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> jb_: try adding hermes to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (I don't think you can use hermes and hostap at the same time)
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> jb_: blacklist hermes
[07:24] <jb_> but i rmmod hostap already?
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> jb_: It will have come back after you replugged in the card
[07:25] <jb_> ok, one moment
[07:26] <jb_> i will disconnect now and try to come back with wlan
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> jb_: I think using hostap is a better driver but if you have both running at once then they will conflict
[07:27] <groovis> brb
[07:27] <trym|work> is xeon i386 or ia64?
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> trym|work: Its not ia64
[07:28] <jb_> back
[07:28] <jb_> no success
[07:28] <trym|work> h3sp4wn: i386 then ?
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> trym|work: How new is the xeon ?
[07:29] <jb_> hermes is stil in lsmod
[07:29] <jb_> but i blacklisted it, do i have to reboot?
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> yes
[07:30] <jb_> ok
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> Maybe there is a way of restarting modprobe.d but I don't know it
[07:31] <trym|work> h3sp4wn: brand new
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> trym|work: You should be able to use the AMD64 branch
[07:32] <trym|work> should I ?
[07:32] <trym|work> its a dell poweredge
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> It should have the 64bit extensions if its new
[07:33] <fek> awesome
[07:34] <fek> seaLne: haben wir uns ber das dist-upgrade heute unterhalten?
[07:39] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:40] <jb_> hello h3sp4wn :-( hermes is blacklisted but loaded
[07:40] <jb_> rmmod hermes is not possible because it is in use by orinoco
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> rd_: blacklist orinoco and blacklist orinoco_cs
[07:41] <jb_> me?
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> yEP
[07:42] <jb_> ok, i reboot
[07:44] <fek> dapper rocks :)
[07:50] <jb_> h3sp4wn: now he is refusing eth1 totally
[07:50] <jb_> no orinoco and hermes in lsmod, but eth1 is not startable
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> eth1 no longer appears in ifconfig -a ?
[07:51] <jb_> yes
[07:51] <jb_> it is gone
[07:51] <jb_> hostap and hostap_cs are still in lsmod
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> jb_: Just unblack list what was blacklisted before
[07:54] <jb_> you mean, remove the hermes and the two orinoco-entries?
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> Yep I am just trying to work out what it could be
[07:55] <jb_> ok, i will do it and reboot
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> just try sudo modprobe hermes (it may save you having to reboot)
[07:57] <cesar> hola
[07:57] <cesar> este chat es en espaol?
[07:58] <SpAwN> hello all....i am using mandriva linux atm...but an looking to install kubuntu....my partions are like this right now mandriva has: 10gigs for / 10gogs for /usr and about 208gigs for home. i want to keep everything on my /home partion(has all my music and movies and such) is there anything i should do it b4i try this....like erase ~./kde or anything?
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: move your home directory to usernameold or somesuch name if you want to use the same username
[07:59] <cesar> why?
[07:59] <cesar> why?
[07:59] <cesar> why?
[08:00] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: I'd personally split up that 208GB into smaller partitions and put things like your music on other partitions and keep home for just your config files/directories.  It saves time
[08:00] <Hawkwind> cesar: English only here, try #Kubuntu-ES
[08:00] <SpAwN> ahh so lets say i have user foo on mandriva....and want the same nick on the new install...id move the foo home folder to foobackup then make a new foo user on kubuntu
[08:00] <cesar> tanks
[08:00] <jb_> h3sp4wn: removed from blacklist and rebooted
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: I would to that the uid and gid will probably be different anyway
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwpriv eth1 host_roaming 2
[08:01] <SpAwN> hmm the 208 is pretty full....i dont wanna risk losig anything....wouldnt resizing possibly lost data?
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwconfig eth1 mode managed
[08:01] <jb_> he said invalid command host_roaming
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> Is this as root ?
[08:02] <jb_> yes
[08:02] <jb_> the mode managed worked without coment
[08:02] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Keeping everything in /home really is NOT a wise idea.  You really should do a complete backup and split things up a bit
[08:02] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwconfig eth1 essid any
[08:03] <jb_> ok, done, should i try again?
[08:03] <SpAwN> hmm i have a external 120 gig hdd...but that just about full too........ *sigh*
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> jb_: iwlist eth1 scan
[08:04] <jb_> typed the command, he is waiting, then "ressouce temporarily unavailable"
[08:04] <stephan22222_> i have a mobile centrino, i ther a tool wich shows my how fast it is running at the moment (other speedswithc stuff would be nice)
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> how do I unpack a .bin file?
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> trying to install Google earth
[08:13] <jb_> h3sp4wn: are you still there?
[08:13] <abattoir_> CaptainMorgan: sh ./<file>.bin
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> abattoir_: thanks
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> jb_: I am out of ideas I suggest you try an orinoco support channel if there is one
[08:24] <jb_> ok, thank you
[08:31] <Muki-DA> Anyone here using azureus?
[08:32] <SpAwN> yes i do
[08:32] <Muki-DA> The warning box isn't going away.
[08:32] <Muki-DA> Is there a way to disable it?
[08:32] <SpAwN> the one that says it shut donw improperly?
[08:33] <Muki-DA> Yeah.
[08:33] <Muki-DA> Or that it can't grab the access port you specified, etc.
[08:33] <SpAwN> and u hit the hide button
[08:33] <SpAwN> well which is it
[08:33] <Muki-DA> Yup, it didn't go away.
[08:33] <Muki-DA> At the moment, Azureus did not shut down tidily.
[08:33] <SpAwN> if its the one about ports u may need to fix it to make it go away
[08:34] <Muki-DA> I just wanna disable warning boxes. I have no need for them.
[08:34] <Muki-DA> And I have no access to the router, and you can't just tell Azureus that port forwarding isnt' an option.
[08:35] <SpAwN> Muki-DA: let me take a quick look in azurues real quick for u
[08:38] <SpAwN> Muki-DA: i just did a once over and didnt see an option to disable them'
[08:38] <SpAwN> .....there could stil lbe one....but i didint see it
[08:38] <Muki-DA> SpAwn : I've done sever looks over the options and I've never see it.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> Maybe it's a config file or something.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> Regardless, it's all new kinds of annoying.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> It's the only big [bleep] ing pet peeve I have with Azureus.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> It's the only program in existence that doesn't let you disable it's annoying popup messages.
[08:39] <Muki-DA> *its
[08:40] <SpAwN> hehe
[08:40] <SpAwN> but it is a damn good torrent client
[08:41] <Muki-DA> I would have uninstalled it AGES ago if it wasn't ;)
[08:41] <SpAwN> ;)
[08:42] <Muki-DA> There is ZERO option for this.
[08:42] <Muki-DA> And the Kubuntu build is FUKT.
[08:42] <Muki-DA> ARRGGG >_<
[08:44] <SpAwN> just go dl azureus from thier site
[08:44] <SpAwN> unpack and bingo....its working
[08:44] <Muki-DA> I can't stand those warning messages either way >_<
[08:44] <zorglu1> Muki-DA: join the irc channel thru azureus itself and describe your problem
[08:44] <Muki-DA> zorglu1 : I have ^^
[08:45] <zorglu1> and ?
[08:45] <SpAwN> ive dled 118 gigs and upped 132 gigs with azureus
[08:45] <Muki-DA> No response. No activity, actually.
[08:45] <SpAwN> lol
[08:45] <zorglu1> ah ok :)
[08:45] <SpAwN> mostly legal torrents
[08:46] <SpAwN> =D
[08:46] <SpAwN> maby a few mp3's...
[08:46] <sensei> 'mostly' is enough for them
[08:46] <sensei> I was kidding though ;)
[08:46] <SpAwN> sensei: if i thoguht u wa sserious id be changing my ip right about now...then using a proxy to reconnect here
[08:46] <SpAwN> ;D
[08:47] <sensei> I'd see your IP when disconnecting ;)
[08:47] <SpAwN> sensei: im on a large isp and have synamic ip
[08:47] <SpAwN> ....i can change my actual ip as i want...plus who is to say im not using a proxy atm
[08:48] <SpAwN> =D
[08:48] <sensei> FYI, ISPs are forced to log the owner of any given ip of any given user for a minimum of three years
[08:48] <SpAwN> ill just the good ol onion router
[08:48] <SpAwN> sensei: realy?
[08:48] <sensei> SpAwN: Really
[08:48] <h3sp4wn> Some isp's don't do that (FDD in the uk for example)
[08:48] <SpAwN> thats gotta be huge huge volums of logs
[08:49] <sensei> SpAwN: Oh yeah
[08:49] <SpAwN> imagine that
[08:49] <sensei> h3sp4wn: Don't know about UK law, so it's possible that's the case
[08:49] <SpAwN> like 1000000 tbs of logs per day
[08:49] <sensei> In Sweden they even have to log all the connections
[08:49] <sensei> Each TCP chain is logged with time
[08:49] <SpAwN> damn
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> It is still against the law but that is one ISP that never did it (probably because they couldn't do it technically it was a bit of a cowboy outfit)
[08:49] <SpAwN> i though they had like a cashe for them....but 3 years damn
[08:50] <SpAwN> *cache
[08:50] <Lynoure> sensei: really? Are you Swedish?
[08:50] <sensei> All in the name of anti-terror ;)
[08:50] <sensei> Lynoure: Yes, born and raised
[08:51] <Lynoure> sensei: they'd done a full turn then, if http://dsv.su.se/jpalme/society/PUL-and-logging.html is to believed
[08:52] <sensei> Lynoure: No, they're not logging the data, just the chains, and there's tonnes of clauses that null and voids that
[08:54] <Lynoure> sensei: I understand some Swedish but not enough to figure out good search terms. Could you point me to the law about it, or help me to search for it? I've been considering moving to Sweden, so I'd like to make sure the law is not all absurd.
[08:55] <sensei> Lynoure: A swedish or English page?
[08:55] <DjDarkman> hy ,a friend of mine has an ATI videocard that`s direct rendering  didn`t work after he upgraded ,can he use the old ati drivers somehow?
[08:56] <Lynoure> sensei: Swedish is fine, English preferred, but I know laws usually don't come translated to non-official languages
[08:56] <sensei> Just a second
[08:57] <SpAwN> brb...gotta reboot this thing
[08:59] <sensei> http://www.64bits.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51265&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=3a6368597159c0ecc7e595fea11e1e02
[08:59] <sensei> Actually, that implies that this law is a EU one :O
[09:00] <mundial> hi
[09:00] <mundial> how can i login as root in kubuntu?
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> DjDarkman: 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe' he has 2.6.15-25 kernel but no matching restricted modules probably
[09:01] <Lynoure> sensei: EU has been made some whattheyarecalled... things to be implemented as laws in countries. But different countries have interpreted them differently, so the actual local law is what matters
[09:01] <sensei> http://www.effi.org/sananvapaus/eu-2002-11-20.html A lot of countries seem to do this already
[09:04] <Lynoure> sensei: I used to be active in EFFi :)
[09:04] <sensei> Then shouldn't you be aware of this? :)
[09:05] <sensei> Braakman sounds dutch, Holland has the same law as Sweden :)
[09:07] <Lynoure> sensei: I don't live in Swedish nor have time to track all countries always
[09:07] <Lynoure> sensei: I'm aware of the EU directive.
[09:08] <sensei> Ah ok
[09:09] <Lynoure> sensei: but like I said, often countries implement those in radically different ways. ( see for example the recent copyright law changes accross EU)
[09:10] <sensei> Yeah, I guess they do
[09:15] <Lynoure> Hmm, time to do some paid work, now...
[09:17] <sensei> laters
[09:20] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Hey guys
[09:20] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I was wondering what is the diffrents between Xubuntu and the other ubuntu's?
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu (gnome) kubuntu (kde) xubuntu (xfce)
[09:21] <Philip5> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: the windows handler
[09:23] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Thanks
[09:24] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I knew it was something about the window handler but wasn't sure what it was
[09:27] <bam_> anyone got warcraft 2 to work with stratagus
[09:28] <bam_> it should be gubuntu
[09:29] <gioacchino> hello
[09:29] <gioacchino> how to install the bases pacages ( gcc kedit ecc ecc... )
[09:29] <gioacchino> ?
[09:31] <GBoS> sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:31] <gioacchino> mm
[09:31] <gioacchino> no only gcc
[09:31] <gioacchino> all bases pacage
[09:33] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Hey Guys what do you think of Komplete?
[09:33] <gioacchino> all bases pacage
[09:34] <SpAwN> omg im installing kubuntu.....realy hope i did the partions right
[09:35] <apollo2011> How do I listen to mp3s in Amarok on Dapper? There is no package listed in the Restricted Formats Wiki page for amarok under Dapper and I can't play mp3s in amarok right now...
[09:35] <SpAwN> !restricted
[09:35] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:35] <SpAwN> ubotu: ^^
[09:35] <ubotu> I know nothing about ^^
[09:35] <SpAwN> ubotu: read up
[09:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about read up
[09:36] <apollo2011> I already went there
[09:36] <SpAwN> crap
[09:36] <SpAwN> lol
[09:36] <SpAwN> talking to the rong person
[09:36] <SpAwN> *wrong
[09:36] <SpAwN> apollo2011: an?
[09:36] <SpAwN> *and
[09:36] <gioacchino> how to install the bases pacages ( gcc kedit ecc ecc... )  ?
[09:37] <apollo2011> that page doesn't have any package listed for amarok on Dapper, just for Breezy and I installed that package and it didn't do anything
[09:37] <SpAwN> apollo2011: this is my second day using ubuntu and was able to get it working...just look for the packages they recomend
[09:37] <SpAwN> well kubuntu
[09:38] <apollo2011> I have been using for a year and a half
[09:38] <SpAwN> and u havent gotten mp3s working?
[09:39] <gioacchino> how to install the bases pacages ( gcc kedit ecc ecc... )  ?
[09:39] <apollo2011> this is on a different system that I just installed it on
[09:39] <SpAwN> ahh apollo2011
[09:39] <apollo2011> I use XMMS anyway on my main system
[09:39] <SpAwN> apollo2011: same here man
[09:39] <SpAwN> xmms pwns
[09:40] <gatekeeper> gioacchino: use your pacakage manager adept or alternatively install synaptic and use that
[09:40] <SpAwN> brb install just finished
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> Its old and buggy and gtk1
[09:40] <Howitzer> does anyone know of a really lightweight KDE movie player?
[09:41] <Howitzer> like Totem but for KDE then
[09:41] <bam_> I prefer xine
[09:41] <gatekeeper> works for me too
[09:41] <Howitzer> i don't like xine having 2 windows
[09:41] <bam_> doest bug me
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Tried codeine ?
[09:41] <bam_> I am watching a move not a control panel
[09:41] <Howitzer> i will now :)
[09:42] <Howitzer> yes, but the seperate windows bug me somehow
[09:42] <bam_> then get rid of it
[09:42] <bam_> right click
[09:42] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me get my webcam working and mp3 playback working?  I'm a total n00b and i've looked on most of the appropriate pages and can't find any help
[09:42] <Howitzer> also, any idea how to enable repeat on default?
[09:45] <roob> omg it wokred!!!!!!!!!!...i didnt mess up my partions =D =D
[09:45] <diiiego> hi, i have a problem whith my keybord when i have installed xgl.... but i find a solution of this problem with the command xmodmap /home/user/.myxmodconfiguratio.... but i vont to apply this command in automatic when pc start.... can you help me?
[09:45] <deuce868> I'm trying to setup kaudiocreator to rip some cds to mp3 format. I have it setup to use lame, but how can I tell it what bitrate to use when encoding?
[09:46] <serenity> i want to uncompress a folder full of zip-files at once, what is the command for it?
[09:46] <nico8481> hi
[09:46] <roob> is there a packge that will install gcc,make, and like the kernel source....i want to install the nvidia driver and be able to compile things
[09:47] <serenity> roob: sudo apt-get buildessential
[09:47] <serenity> roob: sudo apt-get install buildessential
[09:47] <SpAwN> serenity: thanks
[09:47] <SpAwN> =D
[09:47] <serenity> SpAwN: for what?
[09:48] <crimsun> SpAwN: is there any reason the included Nvidia drivers don't work?
[09:48] <crimsun> serenity: you answered his question
[09:48] <serenity> crimsun: they work, but without 3d-accl.
[09:48] <crimsun> serenity: I'm referring to nvidia, not nv.
[09:48] <SpAwN> crimsun: well i did a diff install of kubuntu and installe dthem following the directions and did ctrl alt backspace and boom locked my ssytem up
[09:48] <crimsun> (i.e., the ones in restricted)
[09:48] <SpAwN> i kinda almost prefer to install the nvidia driver by hand
[09:49] <crimsun> SpAwN: ok, then you need build-essential, fakeroot, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:49] <serenity> crimsun: but you said the included...i installed the nvidia-drivers and they work fine
[09:49] <SpAwN> that way i know there installed and working.....the nvidia driver has always worked for me
[09:49] <SpAwN> crimsun: nice thanks......
[09:49] <SpAwN> installing them nw
[09:49] <SpAwN> *now
[09:49] <crimsun> serenity: the binary-only nvidia drivers /are/ included but not activated by default
[09:50] <crimsun> serenity: that's why I use the syntax "nvidia" and "nv"
[09:50] <SpAwN> !restrictec
[09:50] <ubotu> I know nothing about restrictec
[09:50] <SpAwN> !restricted
[09:50] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:50] <gatekeeper> SpAwN: does that not happen at installation time?
[09:50] <serenity> crimsun: ok, sry 'bout that
[09:50] <crimsun> serenity: n
[09:50] <crimsun> p
[09:50] <SpAwN> gatekeeper: what happen?
[09:51] <gatekeeper> SpAwN: the nvidia drivers get installed if you have that type of graphics card?
[09:51] <gatekeeper> serenity: :-)
[09:52] <SpAwN> hehe now im confused gatekeeper.....but its cool.....i have to run out for a bit...do a few errands....bbl...and thanks to all that have helped me so far
[09:55] <deuce868> anyone know how to customize the ripping of kaudiocreator to change the directory it puts ripped songs, bitrate, etc?
[09:55] <Philip5> gatekeeper: mine didn't... had to install it with apt-get
[09:58] <gatekeeper> Philip5: I have got a GeForce4 it looks as if it has installed some nvidia stuff looking the package manger just woundering if there is other stuff that should also be installed
[09:58] <gatekeeper> Philip5: may be if ain't boke I shouldn't try to fix it :-)
[09:58] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me get my webcam working and mp3 playback working?  I'm a total n00b and i've looked on most of the appropriate pages and can't find any help
[09:59] <Philip5> gatekeeper: i have the nvidia-glx installed
[10:00] <Philip5> gallag: and the nvidia-kernel-common
[10:00] <keyne> hi
[10:00] <Philip5> ops
[10:00] <Philip5> gatekeeper:  and the nvidia-kernel-common
[10:02] <gatekeeper> Philip5: I have nvidia-kenel-common but not nvidia-glx
[10:02] <Philip5> gatekeeper: you'll need it and then see that your xorg.conf is right
[10:02] <omgwtflolbbq> doesnt anyone know why
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> when i do ./configure's
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> when it says cechking for X
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> it cant find it
[10:03] <crimsun> because you don't have x-dev, libx11-dev, and others installed
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> word
[10:03] <crimsun> that's a faq
[10:03] <omgwtflolbbq> lol k
[10:04] <Mongey> is there 3d desktop switchin in kde?
[10:05] <gatekeeper> Philip5: hmm as everything is OK at the moment I am tempted to leave well alone, not really sure
[10:06] <Philip5> gatekeeper: without glx you will not have hardware driven opengl
[10:06] <Philip5> so if you want that then get glx otherwise you can be out it
[10:06] <gatekeeper> Philip5: what would I need to alter in xorg.conf
[10:07] <Philip5> gatekeeper: any nvidia specific options you want/need and that it loads the nvidia driver instead of the nv driver
[10:11] <gatekeeper> Philip5: got a URL that tells me a bit more by any chance?
[10:14] <Silver_Adept> Hi, channel. Having a little trouble getting Dapper to recognize my sound microphone. The Sound Recorder program keeps telling me that my "audio capture settings are invalid" and that I should correct them in the Multimedia pane. any ideas what this might be?
[10:14] <zardoz> other then doing uname -a is there a way to check if I am running this dual core...
[10:14] <Philip5> gatekeeper: a bit more about what?
[10:16] <arcturus> zardoz:  don't know if this helps but try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[10:17] <zardoz> oh, yeah I can try that thanks :P
[10:17] <Philip5> gatekeeper: you can read all about nvidia settings and options in the readme at: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/index.html
[10:17] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: in kmix settings, make sure the little red dot below the microphone is glowing red
[10:17] <Silver_Adept> Ah, yes. That's been done. Mic's not muted, nor quiet.
[10:17] <nixternal> hmmm
[10:18] <nixternal> what sound card are you using?
[10:18] <Silver_Adept> Sound Blaster Live! 5.1
[10:18] <nixternal> ok...so that works from the get go usually
[10:18] <Silver_Adept> I have the emuk101 modules loaded. Apparently, also the ac97 modules, too. Would that be a problem?
[10:18] <nixternal> oh ya..
[10:18] <zardoz> arcturus:  well, thats somewhat helpful... :P
[10:18] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: make sure that "Capture" and "AC97" are also glowing red under the input
[10:19] <cox377> Hey All
[10:19] <Silver_Adept> How do I unload the ac97 modules - they're supposedly in use - and then tell them to go away and never come back?
[10:19] <dr_willis> put them in that modules blacklist file
[10:20] <Silver_Adept> Blacklist file?
[10:20] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: in kmix, does the bottom right hand corner say "SBLive 5.1 [SB0060] "
[10:20] <Mongey> !3ddesktop
[10:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about 3ddesktop
[10:21] <Silver_Adept> Just SB Live 5.1
[10:21] <gatekeeper> Philip5: looks like all you need to do is: sudo nvidia-xconfig judging by this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185910
[10:21] <gatekeeper> Philip5: thanx for the URL and nvdia info :-)
[10:22] <nixternal> what program is giving you the error?
[10:22] <Philip5> gatekeeper: yes, you can use the xconfig yo help you with it or do it manually in xorg.config
[10:22] <nixternal> hmm
[10:23] <Silver_Adept> Sound Recorder gives me the "audio capture" error - a program like Teamspeak won't transmit my voice.
[10:23] <nixternal> ahh
[10:24] <Silver_Adept> Yeah. I don't know what the problem is. That's why I wonder whether the ac97 drivers are causing the problem.
[10:24] <gatekeeper> Philip5: I will have a good read of the document that you gave me and then have a tink about it. At least I have one full backup I can use if I had to
[10:24] <gatekeeper> Philip5: thanx for the info :-)
[10:25] <nixternal> ahhh
[10:25] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: i know your problem
[10:25] <nixternal> ready
[10:25] <Silver_Adept> Go.
[10:25] <nixternal> follow along
[10:25] <nixternal> here we go ;)
[10:26] <nixternal> "Kmenu > System Settings > Sound & Multimedia"     under General Tab in Sound System, UNCHECK "Enable the sound system" which would disable it...click apply and enjoy teamspeak ;)
[10:26] <Silver_Adept> And now it'll work, ya say...
[10:27] <nixternal> does for me...we just did all these teamspeak issues for the Ubuntu Developer's Summit in Paris
[10:27] <nixternal> and everyone else really
[10:27] <Silver_Adept> A winner is you. Many thanks, little goblins.
[10:27] <nixternal> lol
[10:27] <nixternal> i almost forgot about that issue
[10:27] <nixternal> it wasn't until you brought up teamspeak you toggled the toilet handle in my head ;)
[10:28] <nixternal> flushed out all the bad, and brought in the good ;)
[10:28] <Silver_Adept> Many thank-yous. Will my audio players (like amaroK) still work?
[10:28] <nixternal> yes
[10:28] <nixternal> but your system sound will not
[10:29] <nixternal> like the start up noise
[10:29] <Silver_Adept> Oh, darn. *snaps fingers.*
[10:29] <nixternal> you can enable it after using teamspeak if you need those sounds anyways
[10:29] <nixternal> haha
[10:29] <Silver_Adept> Is that somewehre on a FAQ or the wiki and I just didn't find it?
[10:29] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me install libxine-extracodecs? i can't get it to work!
[10:29] <nixternal> no..but there will be now so i can feed it to ubotu
[10:30] <nixternal> nice name TheHighChild
[10:30] <Silver_Adept> Thanks. Of course, then there's this tiny issue with CUPS... (*snicker*)
[10:30] <nixternal> what printer?
[10:30] <Silver_Adept> HP PSC 750.
[10:30] <nixternal> CUPS is beyond tiny issue for most..except me
[10:30] <nixternal> omg
[10:30] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: i use it that same printer
[10:30] <nixternal> select HPIJS drivers in cups and enjoy
[10:31] <nixternal> cups is really slow
[10:31] <patch> hello all
[10:31] <nixternal> hey patch
[10:32] <Silver_Adept> ...little more fundamental than that - supposedly, Ubuntu can't talk to CUPS.
[10:32] <patch> could anyone help me with a horrifically simple permissions question
[10:32] <nixternal> why can't it talk to CUPS?   do you get a specific error Silver_Adept?
[10:32] <nixternal> shoot patch
[10:32] <Chousuke> Not before you present it :)
[10:32] <nixternal> hehe
[10:32] <zardoz> nixternal:  did you say amarok and teamspeak play nice with eachother?
[10:32] <nixternal> FluxLover in a KDE channel ;)
[10:32] <patch> i have a fat32 partition but it is owned by root and i need to change it so i can read write it
[10:33] <nixternal> they play nice for me zardoz
[10:33] <zardoz> at the same time?
[10:33] <nixternal> ummm..why would you do it at the same time?
[10:33] <zardoz> why not :P
[10:33] <chrisdarby> patch: have you tried chmod?
[10:33] <nixternal> how do you hear the other people?
[10:33] <zardoz> I can get one or the other, but not at the same time :P
[10:33] <nixternal> chown -R patch:patch fat32
[10:33] <patch> yeah i have been trying chmod and chown but i cant seem to make it work
[10:34] <zardoz> very low music vol.
[10:34] <nixternal> sudo chown -R username:group directory
[10:34] <nixternal> zardoz: i have never tried at the same time
[10:34] <Chousuke> patch: you need to set an umask in fstab
[10:34] <zardoz> I was just checking anyways :P
[10:34] <Silver_Adept> Yeah. the error is... "Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running."
[10:34] <Chousuke> chown -R probably doesn't work :)
[10:34] <patch> umask ?
[10:34] <Chousuke> yes.
[10:34] <Chousuke> as a mount option
[10:34] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[10:35] <Chousuke> like umask=000 = free for all :P
[10:35] <patch> ok
[10:35] <Silver_Adept> Dist-upgrade? As in, when the update manager said "Ooh! New version available", I said "Okay, do it"?
[10:35] <tnt2> hey, one question: is <IP_ADDRESS> representing my whole LAN?
[10:35] <nixternal> like...upgraded from Breezy to Dapper dist-upgrade ;)
[10:35] <nixternal> yes tnt
[10:35] <Silver_Adept> That's the one.
[10:35] <nixternal> tnt2: <IP_ADDRESS> = broadcast
[10:35] <tnt2> nixternal: I'm in firestarter
[10:36] <patch> so under options shall i leave defaults and add "umask=000" ?
[10:36] <patch> or remove defaults
[10:36] <zardoz> I was about to say 255 is the broadcast..
[10:36] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: did you loose any applications on the way eg Open Office
[10:36] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS> = network
[10:36] <Chousuke> let it be "defaults,umask=000"
[10:36] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS> = gateway
[10:36] <Chousuke> I think that should work
[10:36] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS> = netmask
[10:36] <nixternal> and your ip is up to you ;)
[10:37] <Silver_Adept> OO won't print, yes, but I didn't "lose" it in the sense of it disappearing.
[10:37] <Raf> hello all, I-m having some troubles with my hard disk, it hangs every certain minutes. is there a way to repair some HD sectors or diagnose my HD in linux?
[10:37] <tnt2> nixternal: and I want to create a new rule... to permit traffic from my LAN, and I put 255 at the end... is this correct?
[10:37] <Chousuke> I think you need something like <IP_ADDRESS>/24 in firestarter
[10:37] <patch> and that is all then?
[10:37] <Chousuke> patch: it gives everyone full read-write access though.
[10:37] <tnt2> Chousuke: oh, i see
[10:37] <serenity> does anyone of u use knemo?
[10:37] <nixternal> ummm....i don't know about 255...maybe the .0....you could try both..im not at all familiar with firestarter
[10:37] <chrisdarby> can anyone help me install a firewire soundcard?
[10:37] <Chousuke> patch: should work, after you remount the volume
[10:37] <patch> ok thanks very much.
[10:38] <Chousuke> I'm not sure though.
[10:38] <tnt2> nixternal: maybe .0/10 would work ok
[10:38] <nixternal> i would do the 0/24 truthfully..as that will cover an entire C 192.168.1 domain
[10:39] <nixternal> subnet i should say ;)
[10:39] <nixternal> network too
[10:39] <Raf> hoe can I diagnose my hard disk in linux?
[10:39] <tnt2> Chousuke: I'm opening 137 and 139 ports (Samba) to allow incoming traffic from all my other PC in the network
[10:39] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: sorry..lost you for a second..so you are saying you did do a dist-upgrade then?
[10:39] <patch> hmmm. that didnt seem to do it
[10:39] <Silver_Adept> I did, yes.
[10:40] <nixternal> argh...i wish that wasn't an option truthfully...as everyone but a select few have done it w/o issues
[10:40] <nixternal> !dist-upgrade
[10:40] <ubotu> I know nothing about dist-upgrade
[10:40] <nixternal> !upgrade
[10:40] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[10:40] <patch> do you think rebooting might make any difference
[10:40] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: are your mail / news reader settings etc retained?
[10:41] <Silver_Adept> All my Firefox bookmarks came through, as did my amaroK database.
[10:41] <arcturus> Raf: fdisk -l
[10:41] <gatekeeper> mail??
[10:41] <nixternal> everythin in ~/ was probably retained...
[10:41] <Silver_Adept> Yep.
[10:42] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[10:42] <nixternal> do you get an error?
[10:42] <Raf> arcturus: colud repair my HD using fdisk -l?
[10:43] <arcturus> Raf:  what's wrong with the HD?
[10:43] <patch> oops, acidentally quite
[10:43] <Silver_Adept> Nope, no error.
[10:43] <Raf> arcturus, my HD get frezee every certain minutes
[10:43] <gatekeeper> nixternal: when I tried a dist-upgrade I had to reinstall Open Office and I wasn't sure what else I lost, still got a version of breezy on my test box so when I have time I will do a backup then upgrade and see what I get
[10:43] <patch> so changing that fstab didnt fix this ownership problem
[10:44] <MetaMorfoziS> rlz
[10:44] <Raf> arcturus, well, my  pc freezes
[10:44] <nixternal> i just make a main folder in ~/ that way there i just back that up to the network...i always install fresh..as i have never been a fan of upgrading the whole system
[10:44] <arcturus> Raf: could be any number of things ... failing drive, bad drivers, poor power supply
[10:44] <Raf> arcturus, I have tested my RAM, it works perfectly, when Im not using that HD, my compter works perfect
[10:44] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: if you didn't get an error..see if you can get into cups now
[10:45] <arcturus> Raf:  try another HD
[10:45] <gatekeeper> nixternal: is there a way to just backup kmail knode and wallet settings / info?
[10:45] <Raf> arcturus, right now, Im using gentoo live CD because i don-t have another HD, my HD runs with kubuntu
[10:46] <Raf> arcturus, could help trying the same HD in another computer?
[10:46] <nixternal> yes gatekeeper...it is all stored under ~/.kde/share/apps/  kmail for kmail   knotes for knotes    and kwallet for kwallet
[10:47] <Silver_Adept> The CUPS web interface? It loads. The KDE printer tool... borks.
[10:47] <drew3> What is the oercentage of sucessfull upgrade from breezy to dapper. I spent a LOT of time customizing kde for someone with poor eyesight,  Can't get the damn thing to print, and wonder if Daper might be a better way to go.
[10:47] <Raf> arcturus: the drivers of my HD aren-t the problem cause the same thing happen in windows
[10:48] <Raf> arcturus, how can I know if this is due to poor power supply or failing drive?
[10:48] <zardoz> raf
[10:48] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you could always try            sudo apt-get --purge remove cupsys                   and then when that completes, try                 sudo apt-get install cupsys
[10:48] <zardoz> what brand HD is it
[10:48] <Raf> zardoz, Samsung
[10:48] <nixternal> maybe that will get rid of the bad, and bring in the new ;)
[10:48] <arcturus> Raf: you can try in another machine but honestly the best thing is just get another drive
[10:48] <arcturus> Raf:  HD's are cheap
[10:49] <arcturus> besides, always nice to have an extra laying around
[10:49] <Raf> arcturus, in Mexico it isn-t cheap
[10:49] <Silver_Adept> Will it also go grab the right HP stuff?
[10:50] <zardoz> Raf: http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/hutil.htm
[10:50] <nixternal> it should Silver_Adept
[10:50] <Raf> arcturus, well, it is not easy to get 90 USD, really
[10:50] <arcturus> Raf: sorry to hear that
[10:50] <nixternal> also, by doing that it will remove kubuntu-dekstop
[10:50] <arcturus> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4116853
[10:50] <nixternal> so as soon as it is done, make sure you sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <arcturus> $80 for 300 gigs, but only in US
[10:51] <andrisp> hello.. how can i make my own menus in kicker panel next to Kmenu ? is there an applet for that ?
[10:51] <gatekeeper> thanx nixternalI I will give that a try, I have always worried about saving and restoring those directories may in some way damage the new install, but if that is the way to go that is what I will do. Thanx :-)
[10:51] <zardoz> arcturus: I think compusa has a 200GB for 49 bucks
[10:51] <nixternal> it won't damage a new install...i back up my entire ~/.kde/share/apps directory when i do a reinstall
[10:51] <arcturus> zardoz: if there's a rebate I'm not interested
[10:52] <nixternal> what i have been doing with some of those directories, is running them off of a usb stick
[10:52] <Raf> zardoz, thank you, HUTIL is DOS based, right?
[10:52] <nixternal> like ~/.gnupg
[10:52] <zardoz> true, but I think that was walk out
[10:52] <nixternal> that is a link to my stick
[10:52] <gatekeeper> nixternal: cool :-)
[10:52] <arcturus> i doubt it
[10:52] <nixternal> that way there, no matter the computer i get on and email, i can use my gpg key
[10:52] <Silver_Adept> nixternal: When it "started" CUPS, there was no [OK]  confirmation.
[10:53] <nixternal> that was interesting
[10:53] <drew3> "back up my entire ~/.kde/share/apps directory when i do a reinstall"   <- will that save the settings used to increase text size throughout kde?  nixternal
[10:53] <arcturus> zardoz: $40 rebate
[10:53] <Silver_Adept> Aaaand... same CUPS error.
[10:53] <zardoz> arcturus: yeah has a $40 MIR
[10:53] <nixternal> drew3: you could also backup ~/.kde/share/config    as that might be where that is located
[10:54] <arcturus> all compusa 'deals' have rebates
[10:54] <arcturus> making them not really a deal in my mind
[10:54] <nixternal> +1 arcturus
[10:54] <nixternal> i agree with you on that
[10:54] <nixternal> check http://www.newegg.com
[10:54] <zardoz> is that fry's one walk out?
[10:55] <nixternal> if you live in the chicago land area, you always have fry's electronics and tiger direct
[10:55] <arcturus> unfortunately newegg's going more the rebate route too
[10:55] <arcturus> my cousin lives 5 minutes away from Fry's in Phoenix
[10:55] <Silver_Adept> Sorry, nixternal, whatever it was, it didn't work properly... although, the printer control says "localhost:631". Is there anyway to rename that to a specific IP address?
[10:55] <nixternal> sure..you will get rebate on box items usually with newegg or non-oem
[10:55] <gatekeeper> nixternal: I like that idea a lot, having an easy way to either back/restore these settings or quickly transfer then onto my test machine when trying new things out will be extreamly usefull :-)
[10:55] <Raven301> Where in Kubuntu do you add /sbin to your user?? What is the file name?
[10:56] <arcturus> i had to contact my state's attorney general to get a newegg rebate
[10:56] <nixternal> exactly gatekeeper, especially since i do documentation work here, it helps out when i destroy a system trying out tutorials ;)
[10:56] <zardoz> arcturus: dam ahaha...
[10:56] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: does it really matter if it shows localhost or the ip?
[10:56] <gatekeeper> nixternal: :-)
[10:57] <nixternal> mine says localhost
[10:57] <Raf> arcturus, thank you very much
[10:57] <nixternal> localhost = good ;)
[10:57] <Raf> zardoz, thank you very much
[10:57] <Silver_Adept> It does, actually - if I try "localhost:631" in Firefox, it goes to an Azureus add-on. If I use the actual IP, it goes to the CUPS administration page.
[10:57] <arcturus> Raf: sorry I couldn't be of more help
[10:58] <nixternal> localhost:631 goes straight to cups for me...azureus add-on..you might have more of an issue then planned ;(
[10:58] <Silver_Adept> Hrm. Maybe if I remove Azureus, then?
[10:58] <zardoz> arcturus: he needs to run that samsung tool I linked
[10:58] <Raven301> How/Where do I add /sbin to my path in Kubuntu ??
[10:59] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: can you get into "Kmenu > System Settings > Printer" at all now?
[10:59] <Silver_Adept> Yeah. The CUPS error is non-fatal.
[10:59] <nixternal> can you get in and add a printer?
[11:00] <Silver_Adept> The detection mechanism doesn't find the printer.
[11:00] <Silver_Adept> Even though it's there.
[11:01] <gatekeeper> manually in the list?
[11:01] <Silver_Adept> I can't configure the print server, either. It asks for root access and I can't authenticate to it.
[11:02] <nixternal> dueyfinster-away: no away messages please
[11:02] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you can't put in your password when it asks you to authenticate?
[11:02] <Silver_Adept> It won't take it for the username "root", nor for my username.
[11:03] <Silver_Adept> Even though I'm not in "Administrator Mode"
[11:03] <Silver_Adept> (now, not not.)
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> Hey... wait...
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> ...it found my printer!
[11:04] <nixternal> hehe
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> ...nothing like a clean install, I suppose.
[11:04] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: a clean install with your setup would be flawless
[11:04] <nixternal> ;)
[11:04] <uniq> dueyfinster-away: please disable away message. ref. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines thanks.
[11:04] <Silver_Adept> Since it's your setup, right?
[11:05] <nixternal> i wish there wasn't a way to do dist-upgrade's truthfully w/o pointing them to the wiki that shows them the best way to do it w/o causing issues ;)
[11:05] <Silver_Adept> Now, which is the right one - PSC 750 hpjis or PSC 750?
[11:05] <nixternal> exactly Silver_Adept ;)
[11:05] <nixternal> PSC 750 HPJIS
[11:05] <Silver_Adept> (There's also a 750xi option. What's that?)
[11:05] <nixternal> you will know, because it will error out with the other one
[11:05] <nixternal> i have no clue..i don't see that one in my setup
[11:06] <Silver_Adept> ...well, it worked.
[11:06] <Hawkwind> If one wants to add /sbin to their path, what file exactly do they need to edit within Kubuntu and should it be edited as root user or normal user ?
[11:06] <crimsun> Hawkwind: /sbin/ is in the $PATH by default.
[11:07] <fek> kann mir jemand sagen, wie das tool noch frs systra heit, dass den wlan status in vertikalen balken darstellt?
[11:07] <uniq> fek: #kubuntu-de please.
[11:07] <fek> arhgs, ELAN
[11:07] <fek> sorry
[11:07] <uniq> :)
[11:08] <fek> how was this tool called for the systray, wich shows the wireless lan status in vertical scales?
[11:08] <Hawkwind> Raven301: You see that answer crimsun just gave you
[11:08] <Raven301> crimsun: In what file?
[11:08] <Hawkwind> crimsun: That's what I thought too.  But Raven301 has the question but he can't actually get /sbin/halt to work as normal user
[11:08] <drew3> and is surprised
[11:08] <Hawkwind> drew3: Heh, I was asking for someone else though :P
[11:08] <Silver_Adept> Nixternal, thanks for all your help.
[11:08] <crimsun> Raven301: you shouldn't be calling it as non-root.
[11:08] <nixternal> np Silver_Adept...enjoy!!!
[11:09] <dueyfinster-away> nixternal: uniq: Dodn't know that, from now on, nick I'll just change, with no message, as per: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:09] <Silver_Adept> Another thing for the documents, I suppose.
[11:09] <crimsun> Raven301: /sbin/halt requires superuser privs
[11:09] <Raven301> crimsun: So to shut down my laptop I have to sudo poweroff ?
[11:09] <nixternal> hehe dueyfinster-away..no problem...no harm no foul!!
[11:09] <uniq> dueyfinster-away: thank you very much :)
[11:09] <Silver_Adept> Are there any other things I should worry about breaking because I did the upgrade?
[11:09] <crimsun> Raven301: to shut it down completely? sudo shutdown -h now
[11:09] <uniq> fek: kwireless mayb?
[11:10] <uniq> e
[11:10] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you will probably run into them as you go along..don't hesitate to come back
[11:10] <crimsun> Raven301: you're not invoking Shut down from within KDE?
[11:10] <dueyfinster-away> nixternal: uniq: no bother, thanks for the tip
[11:10] <Raven301> crimsun: I want to do it without superuser
[11:10] <nixternal> you can always ping! me too
[11:10] <nixternal> if im around i will help you out!!
[11:10] <Raven301> crimsun: I'm in E17
[11:10] <nixternal> arg
[11:10] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: at least OO was still installed :-)
[11:10] <nixternal> hehe ya
[11:10] <crimsun> Raven301: you can't do that unless you modify the user/group
[11:10] <fek> uniq: you mean kwirelessmonitor? that's the wrong one
[11:11] <bam_> anyone know whats needed for xine to play dvd's?
[11:11] <Raven301> crimsun: of the command modify the user/group??
[11:11] <uniq> fek: kwireless is a kicker applet that comes with the kwifimanager package.
[11:11] <uniq> fek: one red and one green bar by default.
[11:11] <fek> uniq: ah, cool. i have a look, thanks
[11:11] <Silver_Adept> Aaaand... we're printing! Whoo-hoo! Thanks a bunch!
[11:11] <fek> uniq: yes, that sounds good
[11:12] <crimsun> Raven301: are you aware of the security ramifications?
[11:12] <uniq> fek: i think that's what you're looking for. you're welcome :)
[11:12] <nixternal> haha Silver_Adept glad everything is working..well everything that you can see so far!!
[11:12] <nixternal> haha
[11:12] <Silver_Adept> Glad everything works again.
[11:12] <gatekeeper> bam_: this might help: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[11:12] <Raven301> crimsun: all that someone could do is shutdown my computer? Right
[11:13] <nixternal> !libdvdcss
[11:13] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:13] <crimsun> Raven301: that's pretty critical.
[11:13] <bam_> keepscool, maybe it applies to breezy
[11:14] <crimsun> Raven301: in any case, you could make it suid root
[11:14] <Silver_Adept> Thanks again, nixternal. You'll see me around again if things continue to go wrong.
[11:14] <Raven301> crimsun: So in KDE I can shutdown or reboot with out superuser. How's that done then?
[11:14] <crimsun> Raven301: because the spawning process already has root privileges.
[11:14] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: well then, i hope to never see you again!!! lol
[11:15] <Silver_Adept> Maybe when I have something to contribute, I'll hang out to help people.
[11:15] <Raven301> crimsun: ok thanks for the info ... I'll have to try and get e17 wm to do the same thing
[11:15] <fek> uniq: you are sure that kwifimanager includes a systray bar?
[11:15] <nixternal> Silver_Adept: you probably have a lot to contribute, just don't realize it yet
[11:15] <nixternal> what you learned today, you can contribute tomorrow :)
[11:16] <Silver_Adept> Especially with the printer stuff.
[11:16] <uniq> fek: yes, /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/kwireless.desktop is in kwifimanager.
[11:16] <gatekeeper> too right :-)
[11:16] <nixternal> and the teamspeak stuff..because a lot of people come in here with that same exact question
[11:16] <gatekeeper> never too early to start :-)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> who has riddell's 3.5.3 repo handy?
[11:16] <uniq> fek: right click on the panel, to add it.
[11:16] <Raven301> crimsun: btw what is the file for adding to your path??
[11:17] <uniq> gnomefreak: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main
[11:17] <fek> uniq: i don't found any one like that
[11:17] <crimsun> Raven301: /sbin/ is already in the default $PATH . Why do you want to add it again?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> uniq: ty
[11:17] <uniq> gnomefreak: /nick kdefreak :)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> uniq: giv eme  afew i have to reboot ;)
[11:17] <Raven301> crimsun: Ok it's there but what file would it be to edit it ... for learn :)
[11:18] <crimsun> Raven301: a default login (non-ssh) uses /etc/environment
[11:18] <Raven301> s/learn/learning
[11:18] <arso_> people
[11:18] <arso_>  i am looking for a ps2 emulator for linux
[11:18] <uniq> gnomefreak: sure, I'll have to go to bed in a few. Work starts waay to early in the morning.
[11:18] <uniq> arso_: pcsx
[11:19] <uniq> arso_: that's the package name, you'll find it in adept.
[11:19] <monomaniacpat> Can anyone tell me how to install KDE without changing the grub splash to kubuntu?
[11:19] <Raven301> crimsun: thanks ... I was trying to do it in .bash_profile ... Thanks again for all your help
[11:20] <arso_> uniq:  k thnx ;)
[11:20] <Silver_Adept> uniq: Pcsx does PS2 as well?
[11:22] <arso_> uniq:  only finding pcsx for ps1, wat about ps2
[11:22] <gatekeeper> monomaniacpat: without doing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:22] <bam_> anyone know where I can get libdvdcss2?
[11:22] <uniq> arso_: oh, only pcsx1 in the repos, you'll find pcsx2 on google somewhere.
[11:22] <arso_> uniq:  oh ok,
[11:22] <ubuntu> moro
[11:22] <arso_> coz on their main sites
[11:22] <Silver_Adept> Does that actually work fully now?
[11:23] <arso_> it seems ot be for windows
[11:23] <Kubuntu> Hi
[11:23] <Hawkwind> bam_: You need the restricted formats stuff added
[11:23] <arso_> not linux
[11:23] <bam_> got-it
[11:23] <Hawkwind> !restricted
[11:23] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <Kubuntu> first time when i use Linux
[11:23] <Silver_Adept> bam_: That's nonfree software, and potentially illegal to have, as I recall.
[11:23] <fek> uniq: ah, i found it. thanks
[11:23] <Kubuntu> HELLO!!
[11:25] <uniq> arso_: you'll have to get the source code, and compile it yourself. Maybe not a very easy task. I haven't tried it lately.
[11:25] <uniq> fek: great :)
[11:25] <uniq> nite.
[11:25] <monomaniacpat> gatekeeper: I don't know. Just when I was running breezy I installed all the KDE stuff using an install cd and lost the ubuntu splash in grub
[11:26] <fek> uniq: i love this toolbar... all informations i need in a small place ;)
[11:26] <fek> uniq: and it keeps you allways informed when you travel :)
[11:27] <Silver_Adept> monomaniacpat: When you say "ubuntu splash" does that mean the graphic that displays when you boot that shows the system as it starts up?
[11:28] <Silver_Adept> Or a different splash screen that happens before (or while) you boot grub?
[11:28] <gatekeeper> monomaniacpat: probable need to ask one of the others, when ever I have wanted a new window manager I have used apt-get and it has sorted it out for me
[11:29] <chahibi> Can anyone here checks if http://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc10/x-utf8.html  works for him in Konqueror better than http://perso.menara.ma/yollnet/snapshot1.jpg ?
[11:29] <monomaniacpat> Silver_Adept: yes you are correct
[11:30] <Silver_Adept> That was an either/or question. Is it the splash while the system boots up?
[11:31] <monomaniacpat> yes
[11:31] <Silver_Adept> If I recall correctly, there's a package in the database that's the splash screens.
[11:32] <raf> hello again... I got borrowed a Hardisk, i want to boot from that disk, but I have installed GRUB on my first HD (kubuntu), how can I grub such a way that boot from the two hard disk
[11:32] <raf> _
[11:32] <raf> ?
[11:33] <nixternal> sudo apt-get --purge usplash          |            when completed                |               sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop usplash
[11:33] <khaije1> ya usplash
[11:33] <Silver_Adept> Ah, thank you, nixternal. I knew there was one there.
[11:33] <nixternal> probably won't work...but it is worth a try ;)
[11:33] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: you can always combine with the '&&' conditional
[11:34] <Silver_Adept> What does '&&' do?
[11:34] <khaije1> it's a logic gate where a single line reads.... cmd1 && cmd2
[11:34] <gatekeeper> do this and do that
[11:35] <khaije1> cmd2 executes if and only if cmd1 executes with no errors
[11:35] <Silver_Adept> That's neat. I guess I don't understand where that advice comes from?
[11:35] <khaije1> it can simplify repetative tasks like building from make files
[11:36] <khaije1> oh just becuase you suggested waiting... this command makes it that much more possible to walk away from your computer and strech your legs during long sequences of commands
[11:36] <khaije1> :-)
[11:36] <khaije1> it's the little stuff
[11:36] <khaije1> btw i rule b/c i just came from an RMS speech, i heart RMS
[11:37] <gatekeeper> khaije1: when you are doing apt-get installs?
[11:37] <khaije1> he's in baltimore, md speaking at a radical book fair
[11:37] <Silver_Adept> RMS being?
[11:38] <raf> how can I install grub from Kubuntu to another HD?
[11:38] <khaije1> gatekeeper: you can do it with anything it's different from just using ';' because w/ '&&' it will stop execution if there is some problem
[11:38] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: Richard Stallman :-)
[11:38] <gatekeeper> khaije1: cool learn something new every day, only used in a code (programming) enviroment
[11:39] <khaije1> hehe , hth
[11:39] <Silver_Adept> Got it, khaije1. the && string works in a terminal sort of environment, huh?
[11:39] <gatekeeper> khaije1: thanx
[11:39] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: ya it's one of those neat things about bash
[11:40] <Silver_Adept> What would I actually use it for, other than the apt pairings that you've been showing?
[11:40] <khaije1> i do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install foobar' all the time
[11:41] <Silver_Adept> For those times when Synaptic doesn't do.
[11:41] <khaije1> it's also good for building from make files './configure && make && sudo make install'
[11:41] <monomaniacpat> nixternal: can you please give those instructions again, so I can retain the UBUNTU (not KUBUNTU) splash?
[11:42] <Silver_Adept> Makes sense - although an end-user non-hacker like myself is discouraged from ever needing configure or make.
[11:42] <khaije1> or if your connecting via ssh, for example if you wanted to re-install X or if a program hung your X server or if a particular machine runs headless :-)
[11:42] <Silver_Adept> All very good reasons.
[11:44] <khaije1> Silver_Adept: you should never be afraid to expirement on linux, thats half the fun, just build so that you can recover and data or settings you need, in particular this is one thing that is very exciting about xen, i can't wait to setup my lvirtual machine lab environment :-D
[11:44] <gatekeeper> khaije1: I have always shyed away from trying to compile linux apps because of the ball-ache of dependencies, does buildessntials and checkinstall remove most of those problems?
[11:44] <raf> how can I install grub from Kubuntu HD to winme HD, I want to boot  from two HD, but I need to disconnect the first (where grub is installed right now) in order to boot from second HD
[11:45] <Silver_Adept> Kubuntu's on one disc and WinME on the other?
[11:45] <khaije1> gatekeeper: many of them but not necessarily all, but reviewing the output of the /.configure scripts will tell you what is needed and from there the trickest thing is determining the right package to apt-get... i've never needed to spend more than 15 minutes looking, it's *always* in repository but doens't always have the same name
[11:45] <jb_> hello, can someone pls help me with wlan (orinoco) ?
[11:47] <Silver_Adept> That's good, but then how do you tell something like configure where the real thing is? I've had trouble with that before - got what I needed, but it was a different name.
[11:47] <zblach> hey, in dapper, how does one configure katapult?
[11:47] <raf> Silver_Adept: yes, My kubuntu HD got quasi-damaged, It has grub, I have another HD with winME but it doesn't have any boot loader
[11:47] <Silver_Adept> More fundamental question: what is Katapault?
[11:47] <khaije1> jb_: you should just ask your question, we are listening and will respond if we can help...
[11:48] <raf> Silver_Adept: Katapult is a system tio launch application in a easy manner
[11:48] <gatekeeper> khaije1: good stuff, figured ./configure would still bitch at me. I probable know enough now to try it again if I ever needed to thanx :-)
[11:48] <Silver_Adept> raf: I don't know if it's still maintained, but I once tried to use a program called XOSL to boot between OS. When I left it, to boot to a Linux partition, the partition needed to be on a separate hard drive.
[11:48] <raf> Silver_Adept: to run it press Alt+Space start typing some application name and katapult shows its icon, press enter, and launch the application
[11:48] <Silver_Adept> Oh.
[11:49] <jb_> my wlan-card (dwl 660 with orinoco chipset) is not working. it recognizes the accesspoint, but with dhcp no ip is assigned. and with static ip, no connect is poosible
[11:49] <raf> Silver_Adept: what I want is boot normally, but If i want to boot from second disk, just disconnect first one
[11:49] <Silver_Adept> I could download XOSL and install it from a floppy disc or CD. Grub, though, I would think, also has such "recovery disk" abilities.
[11:50] <vincent_> jb try ifgonfig "device" down, then ifconfig "device" up
[11:50] <raf> Silver_Adept: i dont know what happen i can mount floppy
[11:50] <raf> Silver_Adept: I can't mount floppy
[11:50] <vincent_> it works for me somtimes
[11:50] <Silver_Adept> Does the WinME disk work okay?
[11:51] <jb_> vincent_- tried that already, also tried blacklisting hostap_cs
[11:51] <raf> Silver_Adept: yes, work ok, but I cant  boot from it cause it has not any boot loader
[11:51] <raf> Silver_Adept: the boot loader is installed in kubuntu HD
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> hi ! all..
[11:52] <gatekeeper> evening :-)
[11:52] <vincent_> jb have you tried to re-install the device drivers?
[11:52] <jb_> any ideas someone? :(
[11:52] <Silver_Adept> raf: Have you tried changing your BIOS settings so that it boots the winME drive before the Linux one?
[11:52] <|lostbyte|> Hi ! all
[11:52] <raf> Silver_Adept: due to I want to boot from winME without the first disk (disconnected), I can't boot from second disc
[11:52] <raf> Silver_Adept: mmm, that's a good idea :D
[11:52] <jb_> which? the orinoco-support is built in in kubuntu, it is not with ndiswrapper
[11:53] <raf> Silver_Adept: Im going to try configuring the boot
[11:53] <khaije1> gatekeeper: one of my favorite things with linux is testing the limits of my understanding with wacky experiments like cat'ing one device to another, or security research, it's fun
[11:53] <raf> Silver_Adept: the bios
[11:53] <Silver_Adept> That will at least get to to the other drive.
[11:53] <raf> Silver_Adept: mmm, but if the two hard disk are in the same IDE?
[11:54] <raf> Silver_Adept: first master, second salve
[11:54] <raf> Silver_Adept: slave
[11:54] <Silver_Adept> Not a problem - the BIOS should be able to change the order. Unless the drives are jumpered to be Master/slave.
[11:54] <raf> Silver_Adept: really???
[11:54] <Silver_Adept> Then you'll probably change that to cable select and put them in the right cable order to help your BIOS.
[11:54] <Silver_Adept> Yep.
[11:55] <jb_> does anybody know a good source/howto for getting orinoco_cs started with dapper?
[11:55] <raf> Silver_Adept: change the two hard disks to cable select?
[11:56] <gatekeeper> khaije1: summer has finally arrived here so I try to get out as much as I can, but I have a test box and when the weather closes in I will want to start trying various things on that. I came in hear to try and contribute where I can, and also learn by seeing how people fix various problems.
[11:56] <Silver_Adept> You can do that - it should be one of the jumper options on the physical disks themselves, raf.
[11:56] <raf> Silver_Adept: Yes, I know how to change the jumper settings
[11:56] <jb_> is anybody in here who got a wlan card with orinoco chipset running under dapper?
[11:57] <raf> Silver_Adept: my question was if I need to put cable select in two HD's or just in one of them?
[11:57] <gatekeeper> Silver_Adept: doesn't just need to change grub to boot WinMe?
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> jb_, there are for breezy, but none i can see for dapper.
[11:57] <raf> gatekeeper: yes, but I need to disconnect the fistt hard drive
[11:57] <Silver_Adept> Both. And unless grub's been configured beforehand, probably not.
[11:58] <gatekeeper> ok :-)
[11:58] <Silver_Adept> Sorry, got to run.
[11:58] <Silver_Adept> (If he's got the WinME partition in GRUB, sure he can change it, but only if GRUB knows.)
[11:58] <Silver_Adept> Anyway, ciao.
[11:58] <raf> Silver_Adept: Any problem if hard disk is in the IDE's middle connector or in the IDE's final connector?
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> raf, YEs !
[11:59] <flashpc> hello
[11:59] <Silver_Adept> I think cables work so that the middle one is primary and the end on is secondary... I thin.
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> raf, you got to tell you grub and fstab of the change.
[11:59] <jb_> are there other irc-channels one could ask?
[12:00] <sysbob> have anyone here successfully setup wpa wireless networking on ubuntu/linux?
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> jb_, there is wireless, networking channels..
[12:00] <raf> |lostbyte|: no, because I will disconnect the linux hard drive
[12:01] <raf> |lostbyte|: any case, thank you for response
[12:01] <jb_> so, it is join #wireless?
[12:01] <sysbob> what are those channelnaes
[12:01] <crimsun> sysbob: on ipw2195abg and wpa supplicant directly (no network-manager), yes
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> sysbob, ubuntu wiki has an intresting walkthrought..
[12:01] <sysbob> ty
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> raf, huh ! ok.. no problem.. jus tell your grub.. thats it..
[12:01] <gatekeeper> got to go thanx nixternal and khaije1 for your words of wisdom :-)
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> sysbob: wpa_supplicant with madwifi / madwifi-ng and the opensource rewrite for ralink
[12:02] <sysbob> i installed wpasupplicant, but the howto refer to it in the /etc/sbin dir but it's not there after i did a sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> gatekeeper, tc :)
[12:02] <gatekeeper> |lostbyte|: tc :-)
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> sysbob: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
[12:02] <gatekeeper> keep up the good work folks :-)
[12:02] <khaije1> :-)
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, its.. wpa_supplicant command.
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: That isn't where the doc's are though
[12:03] <sysbob> well where is wpa_supplicant located after install? how cna i locate it? i tried a find wpasuplicant | grep wpasupplicant and it didnt show up
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, and its in.. /sbin/wpa_supplicant
[12:04] <|lostbyte|> sysbob, try with sudo ^^^6
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: You shouldn't run it directly though that doc explains perfectly how to setup wpa_supplicant from /etc/network/interfaces
[12:05] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, trust is i didt really use it, just read it. planing to switch to it.. near future..
[12:05] <|lostbyte|> truth*
[12:07] <crimsun> it's pretty straightforward to configure through e/n/i


[16:01] <roog> in the script block is it possible to determine which start on condition started the service.  I want my script to act differently based on which event it received
[16:02] <jhunt_> roog: See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#standard-environment-variables, specifically the UPSTART_EVENTS variable.
[16:05] <roog> jhunt_:  that is perfect, thanks
[16:05] <jhunt_> roog: np.
[20:01] <hallyn> jhunt_: is there a trick to building upstart locally and not having test failures?
[20:01] <hallyn> (with fakeroot debian/rules binary...)
[20:02]  * hallyn sets up pbuilder for another approach
[20:02] <jhunt_> hallyn: don't build it as root or the tests will fail.
[20:03] <hallyn> oh, so not even with fakeroot.  got it.  thanks
[20:05] <jhunt_> pbuilder works fine too though.


[17:11] <cmaloney> https://github.blog/2022-06-08-sunsetting-atom/ <- Sorrt to see it go, but having a bit of "smug mode" for all of the folks that jeered that I was still on vim when this was corporeal
[18:07] <jrwren> vscode is really its successor.
[20:27] <dzho> cmaloney: yeah, similar feeling here
[20:28] <dzho> like, if all y'all are going to be running Electron editors I'd just as soon it wasn't Just That One Editor by That One Big Company
[20:28] <dzho> I went to see what the state of Brackets was. Maybe I'd seen this and forgotten, maybe not, that Adobe ditched it in 2021.
[20:29] <dzho> So there's a successor fork brackets-cont (for Brackets Continued or something like that) but it doesn't look super healthy
[20:30] <dzho> like their heart isn't into it and at least some of that user base seems to be gung ho on a successor project phoenix that is 100% in the browser-browser (as opposed to a browser runtime that doesn't look like a browser)
[20:31] <dzho> seems like there might have been another editor of this kind but maybe it was always just the 3: Atom, VS Cod[e|ium], Brackets
[20:31]  * dzho can't be bothered to dig up the screenshots from the lab machines back in the day
[21:19] <jrwren> lul @ "That One Big Company"
[21:22] <cmaloney> Heh
[21:23] <cmaloney> I'm kinda tired of things that I like getting canned because "company got bored"
[21:23] <jrwren> like starcraft :cry:
[21:25] <cmaloney> How did that get canned?
[21:25] <cmaloney> They remasterd it, according to their site
[21:26] <cmaloney> unless "remastered" is one of those euphemisms for "fixed shit that didn't need fixing"
[22:37] <jrwren> starcraft 2 then? :)


 @randomphoenix can you post a screenshot or the log in a paste?
 One of my failed installs was the partition error
 Ok, if you follow the workaround posted in that post it should help. (re @randomphoenix: One of my failed installs was the partition error)
 Thanks .. reading now
 Thank you, I was able to install and have been busy setting up:)
[16:16] <aria20|2> ont peut parler francais?
[16:18] <aria20|2> bonsoir trous le monde
[16:18] <krytarik> !fr | aria20|2
[19:56] <toxic> hi
[19:57] <toxic> How did u know i'am new user:
[19:58] <Mekaneck> toxic: if you have a lubuntu support question just ask, casual talk is in #ubuntu-offtopic or #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:59] <Mekaneck> thought so
[20:30] <akns> Hola
[20:32] <akns> hola
[20:32] <akns> alguien?
[20:32] <akns> hola alguien
[20:33] <kc2bez_> !es | akns
[20:35] <akns> Gracias
[20:35] <akns> abandono
[20:35] <akns> .


[03:25] <jyo> pleia2: Can't make it to the Hour on Wednesday but are y'all doing Henry's afterwards? Might be able to join for that.
[03:26] <pleia2> jyo: wasn't planning on it this month
[03:26] <pleia2> I suck at time zones, so I think an hour is all I can manage :)
[03:27] <jyo> pleia2: :)
[03:36] <philipballew> pleia2, Life back to normal yet?
[03:37] <pleia2> philipballew: haha, not hardly
[03:38] <pleia2> haven't even been off a plane for 24 hours yet :)
[03:38] <philipballew> pleia2, Arn't you on a plane about once every 24 hours though? :)
[03:38] <pleia2> lol
[03:40] <philipballew> pleia2, your passport must look pretty cool though! :)
[03:42] <pleia2> yeah, shame I'm changing my name and will have to start all over!
[03:46] <philipballew> pleia2, That might invalidate some visa's if you have any!
[03:46] <pleia2> yeah, I don't have any that I need
[03:46] <philipballew> nice!
[03:46] <pleia2> my ghana one was 1 trip, and both HK and .au are on my old name ,and I don't plan to go back in 3 months
[03:46] <pleia2> I won't be updating my passport until I get back from .au in january
[03:47] <philipballew> pleia2, I like how you reference a country by it's Internet address.
[03:47] <pleia2> I am changing it on my SS# and drivers license this month though, going to court on thursday \o/
[03:48] <pleia2> life is too short to type full country names :)
[03:48] <philipballew> pleia2, Wanna bring me back a kangaroo?
[03:48] <pleia2> I don't think customs would approve
[03:49] <philipballew> pleia2, Customs already hates me for crossing into the states with my school id a few weeks ago. So good idea to not do that.
[03:49] <pleia2> lol
[03:50] <philipballew> The sad truth is, that American customs here, will let anyone in as long as they are not darker skinned... Just tell them who won the world series, or that you love the Chargers...
[03:51] <philipballew> I wish it were not so, but that is the way it is.
[03:59] <akk> . o O ( note to self: study up on recent world series results before flying next )
[03:59] <pleia2> go red sox
[04:08] <philipballew> pleia2, They did a good job this year for sure.