[08:32] <duflu> greyback__: I might be imagining things but my phones feel more laggy. Did we disable input resampling or something?
[08:32] <greyback__> duflu: nope
[08:32] <duflu> Hmm, probably imagined
[08:33] <greyback__> dednick working on getting numbers for that, using mir's new perf work
[08:34] <duflu> greyback__: Now is a very good time. We have incremental improvements that reduce latency in both 0.14 and 0.15
[08:37] <duflu> And have more after that too. So it won't be sudden, but it is good solid progress
[08:39] <duflu> When the improvements actually make it into distro, then they will be announced. In the past we've announced things and then had to revert them before they entered distro
[08:51] <alf_> duflu: greyback__: FWIW, after installing silo 4 (mir 0.14) on mako, scrolling the apps scope feels more laggy than before the update
[08:52] <greyback__> :(
[08:52] <duflu> alf_: Is only Mir upgraded or other things too?
[08:52] <duflu> Because I've spent months verifying Mir is actually faster in 0.14 than 0.13
[08:53] <duflu> s/is/was/
[08:53] <alf_> duflu: Here is the list of upgraded/installed packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11881589/
[08:54] <duflu> alf_: OK then. Way too early to pin the blame on Mir 0.14 :)
[08:59] <duflu> alf_: Also, it's advisable to never use the dash for latency testing. Because the dash has never been fast enough to keep up with 60FPS it will skip frames, which is visually misleading.
[09:00] <duflu> ... you can't see subtle changes if your granularity is 33ms between frames to start with
[09:04] <anpok> .. one possible purely speculative conclusion could be that we should look for things that cause problems and optimize those..
[09:04] <alf_> duflu: I don't use it for latency testing. In the end it's the final visual impression that counts, however, and for some reason we have regressed on this in silo 4.
[09:05] <duflu> alf_: Sure, it's always possible to do worse. Just that if you're looking for very small improvements in future, don't use the dash for visual testing because its performance is too erratic and unreliable
[09:05] <anpok> i am really looking forward to see the perf test with the rest of the stack of the phone included
[09:05] <anpok> just making tests with mir demos isnt really interesting
[09:06] <duflu> Not fun and interesting, but really important. Because if you upgrade the whole stack (ie. that silo) then you have no chance of finding out which package made it slower
[09:07] <duflu> At least not easily
[09:07] <anpok> well the silo does not contain substantial changes in any of the other packages
[09:09] <duflu> If true, then that's intriguing
[09:12] <anpok> i mean .. take server changes.. qtmir plugs in new parts and has its own threading behavior and additional mutual exclusion (event vs render thread) .. so any measurements without that involved cannot be used to make statements about the new phone image
[09:13]  * duflu is only going on what he knows. That is the latency improvement in Mir 0.14 works in isolation (if that's the _only_ thin you change on the phone). That was also months ago. Many things could have changed to affect the performance of the phone or Mir specifically.
[09:15] <anpok> we replaced input dispatcher which.. should have no effect on qtmir because it has its own .. so it may effect usc..
[09:15] <anpok> *affect
[13:33] <kdub> streams having size and pixel formats makes little sense to me... buffers and surfaces have sizes, but streams are just a collection of buffers
[13:37] <anpok> could it be that because of the double buffering branch the swap took longer..
[13:37] <anpok> hmm but still  it happened even without.. so nm.
[13:38] <anpok> kdub: what would be the size of a surface?
[13:38] <anpok> or how is it defined..
[13:38] <kdub> the size of the surface is the size that the surface is :)
[13:39] <kdub> surface size is the intended composition size
[13:39] <kdub> and buffer size is the actual size of the buffer
[13:43] <anpok> kdub: so the primary size used to compose the buffers..
[13:44] <kdub> anpok, right, the surface size is the size that the compositor will have the surface appear on screen
[13:45] <kdub> and the buffer size is the same; its the size of the buffer
[13:45] <kdub> and if the two differ, thats what scaling is for
[13:45] <kdub> but differing should only be a transient scenario for resize
[13:45] <kdub> and an intentional one if there's a stubborn video decoder, perhaps
[13:47] <anpok> so if we report user input to the client... hmm
[13:47] <anpok> which buffer size do we use
[13:47] <kdub> surface size
[13:47] <anpok> or surface size
[13:48] <anpok> the size the client received as his last resize event..
[13:48] <kdub> yes
[13:48] <anpok> or .. instead .. the last resize event sent out to the clien
[13:48] <anpok> t
[13:48] <anpok> that could be different from the surface size
[13:49] <kdub> well, no?
[13:49] <anpok> and also  different from the buffer size
[13:50] <kdub> surface size is the important one... when that changes, we send out the resize event
[13:50] <anpok> right we do that instantly
[13:50] <kdub> right, and the input changes at that point too
[13:50] <kdub> and in the NewBufferSemantics, the client will arrange the transition of buffersize to match the surfacesize
[14:23] <Guest16852> Hi All, I am a newbie, building the mir on ubuntu x86, 64 bit.
[14:23] <Guest16852> But I am facing a problem, thanks in advance.
[14:24] <Guest16852> Building CXX object src/platforms/mesa/server/common/CMakeFiles/mirsharedmesaservercommon-static.dir/buffer_allocator.cpp.o
[14:24] <Guest16852> /home/rakesh/ubuntu_development/mir/src/platforms/mesa/server/common/buffer_allocator.cpp: In member function ‘std::unique_ptr<mir::graphics::Buffer> mir::graphics::mesa::BufferAllocator::reconstruct_from(MirBufferPackage*, MirPixelFormat)’:
[14:24] <Guest16852> /home/rakesh/ubuntu_development/mir/src/platforms/mesa/server/common/buffer_allocator.cpp:240:5: error: ‘gbm_import_fd_data’ was not declared in this scope
[14:24] <Guest16852>      gbm_import_fd_data data;
[14:24] <Guest16852>      ^
[14:24] <Guest16852> /home/rakesh/ubuntu_development/mir/src/platforms/mesa/server/common/buffer_allocator.cpp:241:5: error: ‘data’ was not declared in this scope
[14:24] <Guest16852>      data.fd = package->fd[0];
[14:24] <Guest16852>      ^
[14:24] <Guest16852> /home/rakesh/ubuntu_development/mir/src/platforms/mesa/server/common/buffer_allocator.cpp:248:31: error: ‘GBM_BO_IMPORT_FD’ was not declared in this scope
[14:24] <Guest16852>          gbm_bo_import(device, GBM_BO_IMPORT_FD, &data, package->flags),
[14:25] <Guest16852> Can any one please help me, where to find out the definition for function gbm_import_fd_data and GBM_BO_IMPORT_FD
[14:25] <Guest16852> Even I have successfuly installed the mesa library on my machine
[14:25] <anpok> Guest16852: do you have gbm.h?
[14:25] <anpok> installed..
[14:25] <Guest16852> let me check
[14:26] <anpok> oh you are on ubuntu..
[14:26] <Guest16852> [00:24 rakesh@param build]  :  locate gbm.h
[14:26] <Guest16852> /home/rakesh/ubuntu_development/mir/tests/include/mir/test/doubles/mock_gbm.h
[14:26] <Guest16852> /usr/include/gbm.h
[14:26] <Guest16852> yeh it seems
[14:26] <anpok> go to your mir source dir and type 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps'
[14:27] <Guest16852> [00:27 rakesh@param mir]  :  'dpkg-checkbuilddeps'
[14:27] <Guest16852> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: android-headers (>= 4.4.2) umockdev (>= 0.8.7)
[14:29] <anpok> could you check the mesa version or actually the libgbm-dev version installed
[14:29] <anpok> maybe we need to ensure that the gbm headers are new enough
[14:29] <anpok> as in the version shown in 'apt show libgbm-dev'
[14:30] <greyback_> anyone give me some hints on debugging this: [1436970458.912329] <ERROR> mircommon: Caught exception at Mir/EGL driver boundary (in queueBuffer): /build/mir-UAyS26/mir-0.13.4+15.04.20150709.2/src/client/rpc/stream_socket_transport.cpp(168): Throw in function virtual void mir::client::rpc::StreamSocketTransport::send_message(const std::vector<unsigned char>&, const std::vector<mir::Fd>&)
[14:30] <greyback_> Dynamic exception type: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorIN3mir25socket_disconnected_errorEEEEE
[14:30] <greyback_> std::exception::what: Failed to send message to server: Broken pipe
[14:30] <greyback_> 32, "Broken pipe"
[14:30] <greyback_> happens sometimes when I have multimonitor setup and I unplug the second screen
[14:31] <Guest16852> @anpok, this is my gbmlib version installed
[14:31] <Guest16852> Version: 10.1.3-0ubuntu0.4
[14:34] <anpok> so thats trusty..
[14:34] <anpok> but it should have those structs defined
[14:35] <Guest16852> Yup, I am using 14.04
[14:36] <anpok> oh that was added in 10.2
[14:37] <Guest16852> @anpok, so do I need to upgrade the libgbm-dev ????
[14:37] <anpok> yes.. mir can only build with mesa newer than 10.2
[14:38] <Guest16852> Thanks mate.
[14:38] <Guest16852> let me try
[14:38] <Guest16852> is there any apt-get install package?
[14:38] <Guest16852> or do I need to build the source code again?
[14:39] <anpok> oh you could try picking a newer mesa release, but that might require you to also install a newer libdrm .. and might run into further troubles..
[14:40] <anpok> install as in .. trying to build it locally..
[14:40] <anpok> it might be simpler to just go to utopic or even vivid
[14:41] <Guest16852> Thanks mate, I will install the 15.04 then
[14:41] <Guest16852> that is the easiest way I reckon.
[14:44] <rakesh__> Thanks anpok
[14:45] <anpok> welcome - happy hacking.
[14:45] <rakesh__> Yoo too
[14:54] <greyback_> unping - it's a symptom of the server dying
[14:54] <anpok> oh which server? .. i mean nested or host?
[14:55] <greyback_> anpok: host
[14:55] <greyback_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11882995/
[14:55] <anpok> oh
[14:58] <kdub> greyback_, did the server die?
[14:59] <greyback_> kdub: yeah
[14:59] <greyback_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/+bug/1474891
[15:00] <kdub> seems like a mir bug, can probably look this afternoon
[15:00] <kdub> or a hwc bug maybe :)
[15:00] <greyback_> kdub: any info I can supply that might help?
[15:00] <greyback_> while I've things set up
[15:00] <kdub> greyback_, maybe how often it occurs
[15:01] <greyback_> kdub: it's not guaranteed, maybe 30% of the time
[15:02] <kdub> greyback_, alright, will let you know what I see
[15:02] <greyback_> kdub: cool, thanks
[15:03] <greyback_> kdub: I think it's easier to repro on the N4
[15:52] <greyback_> C++ advice please: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11883287/
[15:53] <greyback_> that fails to compile, as DisplayConfigurationOutputType is an enum, not a class
[15:53] <greyback_> anyone know any trick to avoid having to put :: qualifiers in from of the enum names in that switch?
[15:54] <greyback_> i.e. I can do "typedef mg::DisplayConfigurationOutputType out" and then use out::lvds
[15:54] <greyback_> but if I can avoid that, it would be nice
[15:54] <anpok> using out = DisplayConfigurationOutputType;
[15:54] <anpok> oops
[15:54] <anpok> using out = mg::DisplayConfigurationOutputType;
[15:55] <greyback_> anpok: I'll still need to do out::lvds then yeah?
[15:55] <anpok> yes
[15:55] <greyback_> ok, I guess that'll do
[15:55] <greyback_> thanks!
[18:41] <kgunn> Chipaca: just checking in, i believe you got mir launching ok....and were just having issues with the qml part...is that right ?
[18:41] <kgunn> just in case you still needed some help
[18:51] <kgunn> Chipaca: also, did you end up having to have some sort of patched drm or mesa driver ? curious what that was, if any
[18:52] <Chipaca> kgunn: no, we patched libxkbcommon, but that's all for now
[18:52] <Chipaca> kgunn: however
[18:52] <Chipaca> HOWever
[18:52] <Chipaca> kgunn: anything other than the demo clients that ship with mir can't connect
[18:53] <Chipaca> kgunn: so rather puzzled by that
[18:53] <kgunn> weird... Chipaca so you couldn't build the qtclock snap like i did in the doc ?
[18:53] <kgunn> ...or well, build, instlal and run
[18:53] <Chipaca> kgunn: i don't know the doc you mean :-/
[18:54] <kgunn> Chipaca: this one...
[18:54] <kgunn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14msTXe_cFulk9z4jFptEjFJzZx58b1mWU_r4VivLkfA/edit
[18:54] <kgunn> qt clock reference app (towards the bottom)
[18:54] <Chipaca> ah!
[18:55] <Chipaca> no, i haven't tried that, i will do so now
[18:55] <Chipaca> kgunn: are you around for a bit more?
[18:55] <kgunn> yes Chipaca, will be interesting
[19:03] <kgunn> Chipaca: the patch to  libxkbcommon, is in wily itself already ? or something separate ?
[19:03] <Chipaca> kgunn: not in wily, no; it's http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11882626/


[19:06] <solomon_> hello
[19:07] <Fiki> DJones, well I use Ubuntu and sometimes the gui freezes for no apparent reason?
[19:07] <solomon_> guys, how can i configure tor and anonymous to be 100% anonymous online?
[19:07] <DJones> Fiki: ok, so ask your supprot question, but please don't spam links
[19:07] <sulfasal> 15.10 Trouble with Firefox: This has been going on through all the upgrades, all the "send a reports". A site switches to black and white and freezes. Sometimes goes away on its own, sometimes must kill -9 pid. Anybody else have this problem, solution?
[19:07] <codfection> solomon_, u can not be 100% ANONYMOUS
[19:07] <bindi> Can anyone tell me if a "Qualcomm Gobi 2000 HP UN2420 wwan Card +GPS Unlocked 3G Module
[19:08] <solomon_> how about 90 or 80%
[19:08] <bindi> Can anyone tell me if a "Qualcomm Gobi 2000 HP UN2420 wwan Card +GPS Unlocked 3G Module" will work on ubuntu 16.04 out of the box? will testing out with a live usb have the proper drivers?
[19:08] <codfection> that you can
[19:08] <codfection> lol
[19:08] <solomon_> cox when i use whoer.net to check my ip it says am 47%
[19:09] <kaliba> Hello Guys
[19:09] <reisio> 'lo
[19:09] <genii> bindi: Yes, Gobi 2000 works. But you need firmware for it
[19:10] <kaliba> How can I remove Ubuntu and install FreeBSD?
[19:10] <ioria> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gobi-firmware/
[19:10] <Gallomimia> kaliba: with a freeBSD installer
[19:10] <Joenuh> I'm wondering how much you can trust whoer.net. It says i'm 90% anonymous and i did absolutely nothing to improve it
[19:10] <Gallomimia> be sure and backup any files you want to keep
[19:11] <bindi> genii: how can i find the correct firmware for finland/europe?
[19:11] <kaliba> just kidding :D
[19:11] <genii> bindi: It must have the part with the card that holds the SIM with phone number, though. You also need to install package gobi-loader to insert the firmware
[19:12] <bindi> genii: i didnt quite catch the first part
[19:12] <genii> bindi: The firmware will be on the Windows driver disk for it
[19:12] <kaliba> Is any german in here?
[19:12] <bindi> genii: the module is bought off ebay, although i found a page for it where they show you how to extract them
[19:12] <bindi> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Gobi_2000
[19:13] <Joenuh> Not German, but close :)
[19:13] <kaliba> I like the Linux community.
[19:14] <genii> bindi: The Gobi 2000 card requires a telephone SIM card in order to have an IMEI. On some models the SIM goes directly into the Gobi. On other models there is a wire connector fromt he card to a separate SIM holder. You require this part for it to work.
[19:14] <neredsenvy> I have app (smartgit) that launches from a .sh can I create a Launcher shortcut to have it autorun ?
[19:14] <neredsenvy> So I don't have to do it via terminal
[19:14] <bindi> genii: oh yeah sure, it has a sim holder lol
 what desktop environment do you use?
[19:15] <neredsenvy> kaliba: Unity 7
[19:15] <genii> bindi: I have a Gobi 2000 here in my laptop and it works fine.
[19:16] <bindi> genii: still not sure which firmware files i want for it
 http://askubuntu.com/questions/67925/how-to-create-a-desktop-shortcut-in-unity
[19:19] <genii> bindi: For a finnish firmware, I am not sure either, sorry.
[19:19] <bindi> genii: apparently there's a sim slot in the motherboard
[19:19] <bindi> and not in the module directly
[19:20] <genii> bindi: Yes, that is what I stated earler about two kinds of those cards. Some have onboard SIM slot, some don't
[19:20] <bindi> genii: is the onboard sim slot expected to work with aftermarket installed wwan card?
[19:20] <genii> Yes
[19:21] <bindi> does it need extra wiring or does it go through the mobo :P
[19:22] <genii> bindi: If you have one which used a slot on motherboard and putting it into a system which does not have that, you will need to manually solder one onto the card
[19:22] <solomon_> any one good in using tor?
[19:22] <bindi> genii: well the motherboard/laptop has a slot for it
[19:22] <bindi> so it should be good to go
[19:22] <kaliba> can anyone help me lern english?
[19:22] <kaliba> :D
[19:22] <genii> bindi: If the motherboard has it already, yes, is fine
[19:23] <bindi> genii: okay thanks. my friend will be here shortly with his laptop, we'll try to get it working in the live usb :p
[19:23] <bindi> or does it need reboots in order to work
[19:23] <genii> bindi: No reboot, it just becomes active once the firmware is loaded
[19:24] <bindi> we want to confirm that it works on (x)ubuntu to make the change from windows into ubuntu (it's just for surfing)
[19:24] <bindi> ok
[19:25] <thebluesquirel> hi
[19:28] <Korenc> Hi, I have a problem with my postfix, but somehow I can't figure out what exactly is going wrong. So when i send or receive mail, I get this error: 451 4.3.0 Error: queue file write error.
[19:28] <Korenc> I tried google searching the problem, but it's not helping to me.
[19:30] <sulfasal> 15.10 Trouble with Firefox: This has been going on through all the upgrades, all the "send a reports". A site switches to black and white and freezes. Sometimes goes away on its own, sometimes must kill -9 pid. Anybody else have this problem, solution?
[19:33] <thebluesquirel> anyone here using xubuntu?
[19:33] <neopsyche> wierd
[19:33] <Minimaxx> Yep !
[19:33] <neopsyche> dns not working for websites.. but is working for IRC
[19:33] <kaliba> Yes
[19:34] <kaliba> I use Xubuntu (Xfce)
[19:34] <neopsyche> PhoneCo.Scum blocking 8080 / 80?
[19:34] <neopsyche> so wierd man
[19:34] <neopsyche> I wonder if its just my ubuntu settings on firewall?
[19:34] <\9> try to traceroute it
[19:34] <neopsyche> how do I tracroute?
[19:34] <Minimaxx> check if your firewall is blocking port 80
[19:35] <neopsyche> Ping works to google / cnn etc.
[19:35] <\9> traceroute google.com
[19:35] <\9> or whatever host you prefer
 how can I help you?
[19:35] <Minimaxx> type "traceroute www.example.com" in the terminal
[19:35] <neopsyche> hahah.. traceroute not installed
[19:36] <Minimaxx> where "www.example.com" is te adress of the website you want to traceroute
[19:36] <\9> yeah it's not installed by default
[19:36] <neopsyche> ubuntu 16.04
[19:36] <kaliba> apt-get install traceroute
[19:36] <\9> for some reason
[19:36] <Minimaxx> sudo apt-get install traceroute
[19:36] <neopsyche> and of course.. it cant connect to update / install
[19:36] <neopsyche> lol.
[19:36] <\9> welp
[19:36] <kaliba> sudo -s; apt-get install traceroute
[19:36] <neopsyche> kaliba - in a perfect world yes
[19:36] <neopsyche> lol
[19:36] <kaliba> dafuq
[19:37] <neopsyche> kaliba: problem with dns
[19:38] <kaliba> Yo_Mama has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) lol
[19:38] <neopsyche> hmm.. i guess this is the only place to chat lol
[19:38] <coredump> Does anyone run xfce4-power-manager without the rest of XFCE? I am running it with i3 and it almost works, there are some stuff that on;y work when I start it on a console with sudo. I have polkit installed and running and my user is on the power group, I am unsure of what else I need to do. Maybe some XML somewhere defining something that I missed?
[19:39] <neopsyche> wierd. skype also works
[19:39] <neopsyche> anything to do with browser not working though
[19:39] <neopsyche> so perhaps udp is up but tcp is down?
[19:40] <Minimaxx> what browser did you use ?
[19:42] <neopsyche> hmm
[19:43] <neopsyche> minimaxx i tried chrome / ff / chromium
[19:43] <neopsyche> holy crap its working on chrome
[19:43] <kaliba> i like chrome
[19:43] <neopsyche> wierd. so now connection is mysteriously back
[19:43] <kaliba> but i use opera
[19:43] <neopsyche> chrome is insecure though
[19:43] <neopsyche> security risks with plugins / flash
[19:43] <kaliba> its the same engine (webkit)
[19:44] <HackerII> i think vivaldi is the same / 2
[19:44] <neopsyche> the little engine that could?
[19:45] <neopsyche> strange . flash not seem to be working on firefox
[19:47] <Joenuh> Maybe I missed something but did it just stopped working randomly?
[19:47] <sulfasal> 15.10 Trouble with Firefox: This has been going on through all the upgrades, all the "send a reports". A site switches to black and white and freezes. Sometimes goes away on its own, sometimes must kill -9 pid. Anybody else have this problem, solution?
[19:48] <bazhang> !15.10
[19:48] <bazhang> thats end of life very shortly sulfasal
[19:50] <OerHeks> sulfasal, 'a site' is so vague, did you try to reset firefox with a new profile?
[19:50] <OerHeks> and cleaning history and such
[19:52] <sulfasal> OerHeks: there are several sites that do this - I can't tell if they're just random or if they're same ones over and over. Stoopid question: How do I change the profile?
[19:53] <ozbrk> guys need to ask something if any of you are photographer here. Raw Therapee is add a ping line on the photos
[19:53] <ozbrk> any idea abot why ?
[19:53] <ozbrk> about?*
[19:54] <OerHeks> sulfasal, cleanup the hidden folders in your home like ~/.mozilla
[19:55] <bazhang> !alis | ozbrk use this to search for a photo channel
[19:55] <OerHeks> raw therapee is part of ubuntu-studio
[19:55] <bazhang> try #ubuntustudio then
[19:56] <bazhang> !find therapee
[19:56] <bazhang> !info rawtherapee
[19:57] <bazhang> why not use imagemagick ozbrk
[19:58] <ozbrk> bazhang, imagemagick ? just heart that let me check it too
[19:58] <bazhang> ozbrk, is rawtherapee gui
[19:59] <reisio> ping line?
[19:59] <OerHeks> 2 nice metapackages http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntustudio-photography http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntustudio-graphics
[19:59] <sipsop> Hi, my lenovo yoga 3 keeps freezing randomly every now and then. Looking at /var/log/syslog gives me this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5d4be415cfd292fed124440ebb5658f8 . Any clues?
[20:00] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install imagemagick --fix-missing
[20:00] <ozbrk> bazhang,  yes
[20:00] <bazhang> sipsop, primarily freezes doing what
[20:00] <sipsop> bazhang: it freezes completely, I cannot even go to tty1
[20:01] <sipsop> bazhang: using glances suggests it is not out of memory (8GB available swap, more than 3GB available memory)
[20:01] <basiclaser> hey i used the built-in OS encryption when installing ubuntu, will i damage the OS if i resize using gparted ? im trying to make room for a windoze dualboot
[20:01] <bazhang> sipsop, what is using the processes primarily
[20:01] <basiclaser> 'crypt-luks'...
[20:01] <sipsop> bazhang: just a web browser, code editor, terminal
[20:02] <kshenoy> Is there a way to find out what version of  dependencies a package was  built with?
[20:03] <OerHeks> sipsop, what guide did you use to install ? did you edit grub like this ?  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pcie_aspm i915.lvds_downclock=1 i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1"
[20:03] <OerHeks> iirc that downclock is your solution for these hangs
[20:04] <sipsop> OerHeks: ooh really, is this a yoga 3 issue, or a general lenovo issue?
[20:04] <OerHeks> all yoga's need tweaks..
[20:05] <sipsop> OerHeks: heh, ok. Let me give that a spin, thanks! Do you have any links for this issue?
[20:05] <sipsop> I've googled around but haven't come across this suggestion
[20:06] <folder|> mwahahah lets see the kids faces now
[20:06] <OerHeks> power issue https://github.com/longsleep/yoga3pro-linux/blob/master/Yoga%203%20Linux%20HOWTO.md but haven't seen 16.04 running on yoga yet. don't own one myself
[20:06] <folder|> installed Ubuntu on the guest / kids computers so I could get WinXP off of our network
[20:07] <bindi> can i install wine on ubuntu live?
[20:07] <sipsop> OerHeks: awesome, thanks so much
[20:07] <bazhang> bindi, nothing will persist
[20:08] <bindi> bazhang: i dont need it to persist
[20:08] <bazhang> bindi, why whould you even consider that
[20:08] <Minimaxx> if you don't need to persist, then you can but it will be very slow
[20:08] <bindi> i need to extract some drivers, trying out a wwan card
[20:09] <bindi> genii: how do i use gobi-loader? :P
[20:13] <genii> bindi: Put the firmware in a directory like /usr/firmware/gobi  then find out what ttyUSB device the Gobi is. Then use gobi_loader like: sudo gobi_loader /dev/ttyUSB2 /lib/firmware/gobi
[20:13] <genii> bindi: The command i gave assumes ttyUSB2 in this case
[20:13] <sipsop> OerHeks: thanks a bunch, gotta reboot now :)
[20:13] <bindi> genii: okay
[20:13] <genii> bindi: Sorry, firmware in /lib/firmware/gobi , NOR /usr
[20:13] <bindi> having trouble extracting the firmware files on my pc :p
[20:14] <bindi> msiexec is just running the installer
[20:14] <basiclaser> hey i used the built-in OS encryption when installing ubuntu, will i damage the OS if i resize using gparted ? im trying to make room for a windoze dualboot
[20:14] <basiclaser> 'crypt-luks'...
[20:14] <genii> bindi: Work is busy today, if I do not respond right away to questions, please be patient
[20:15] <genii> bindi: You might need to use wine-tricks
[20:16] <bindi> got em extracted
[20:16] <bindi> on my own pc :p
[20:17] <gnome2> Hi everyone!
[20:21] <bindi> genii: gobi-loader or gobi_loader, command not found on either
[20:22] <bindi> genii: it was in /lib/udev/gobi_loader, it just hangs on the command
[20:22] <bindi> genii: wrong firmware? :P
[20:22] <genii> wrong many things...
[20:23] <genii> bindi: udev is not a folder to put firmwares. Please make a directory in /lib/firmware directory and put it there.
[20:23] <genii> bindi: You will need then to install the package called gobi-loader
[20:23] <genii> !info gobi-loader
[20:24] <genii> bindi: So you can install it from the Software Center or else commandline by: sudo apt update && sudo apt install gobi-loader
[20:25] <genii> bindi: After this, there will exist the command gobi_loader on your system
[20:25] <bindi> what
[20:25] <bindi> genii: i didnt put drivers into udev
[20:25] <bindi> the binary was there
[20:25] <bindi> i did install gobi-loader
[20:25] <bindi> /lib/udev/gobi_loader /dev/ttyUSB0 /lib/firmware/gobi/
[20:25] <bindi> hangs again :P
[20:25] <bindi> next firmware!
[20:26] <genii> bindi: Are you sure it is at ttyUSB0 ?
[20:26] <bindi> genii: there is no other ttyUSB
[20:26] <genii> OK
[20:26] <genii> bindi: Did you use sudo ?
[20:26] <bindi> yes
[20:26] <donnieH> !Trainfiles Debbie Macomber - [Cedar Cove 03] - 311 Pelican Court (doc).rar
[20:27] <bindi> i tried firmwares 0, 3, umts so far
[20:27] <donnieH> @search hackin9
[20:27] <bindi> again it hangd
[20:27] <bindi> hangs
[20:28] <genii> bindi: Do you have a working SIM in the machine?
[20:28] <bindi> genii: yes
[20:29] <genii> bindi: Try again, but like: sudo gobi_loader -2000 /dev/ttyUSB0 /lib/firmware/gobi
[20:29] <bindi> what's the -2000 mean
[20:30] <genii> bindi: There are a couple models, this means try the other model
[20:30] <bindi> right
[20:30] <bindi> well this hangs as well
[20:30] <bindi> shouldve probably tried -2000 on the previous ones as well
[20:32] <Mr|Dave> anyone tried 16.04 on older macminis? everything works except wireless. i've tried drivers from broadcom-sta, bcmwl-kernel-source, and firmware-b43-installer, but none of them seem to work (meaning thei interface seems to come up, but scanning produces no results).
[20:34] <Mr|Dave> i'm guessing a lot has changed in 16.04 also, since a lot of the commands that people suggest running don't exist anymore like nm-tool
[20:35] <genii> bindi: Try a reboot, then after see if the command: ifconfig -a   ...shows a wwan device. Without running any other commands related to the gobi_loader. I think it may be doing that part automatically now
[20:35] <developer> hello guys ı need a help
[20:35] <genii> bindi: I set mine up 3-4 years ago, so I'm trying to remember all the steps now :)
[20:35] <bindi> genii: it's a live usb
[20:36] <bindi> i tried all the firmwares with 3 files in it and all of em hang
[20:37] <bindi> (amss.mbn, apps.mbn, UQCN.mbn)
[20:37] <genii> bindi: I remember it somehow would change it's USB device and vendor after firmware loaded. But this would be another thing where permanent changes would be required and a reboot
[20:38] <bindi> genii: lsusb still shows it in qdl mode
[20:38] <genii> bindi: I'm certain this can be accomplished with a livecd
[20:38] <genii> not certain, sorry
[20:38] <genii> hm
[20:40] <developer> ı need help
[20:40] <developer> who wants to help me?
[20:41] <\9> heh
[20:41] <ozbrk> guys I need to install this as a solution of a problem
[20:41] <ozbrk> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libc6 ,
[20:41] <ozbrk> how can I do it
[20:42] <dax> if you have a problem and solve it by messing with libc6 versions, you will end up with two problems
[20:42] <OerHeks> ozbrk, why not our packages http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libc6
[20:42] <dax> and an unsupported, possibly unbootable system
[20:43] <genii> bindi: There might be some udev magic command to rescan it so that it works properly on livecd, but unfortunately I not know what that would be
[20:43] <Mr|Dave> does anyone think 14.04 is probably better for older macs? i figured 16.04 would have the best driver compatibility, but most of what i google is help for 12.04 or 14.04. not super useful
[20:44] <genii> Mr|Dave: Intel or PPC?
[20:44] <Mr|Dave> intel
[20:44] <ozbrk> OerHeks, because one of our packages cause the issue
[20:45] <genii> Mr|Dave: Yes, then probably 14.04, because of the ATI graphics
[20:45] <ozbrk> according to solution
[20:45] <Mr|Dave> genii: interesting, ok. graphics work just fine. only wifi is broken. i'll wipe and try 14.04
[20:46] <Mr|Dave> the 16.04 installer wouldn't run anyway because of how little ram i have. had to run a server install
[20:48] <donnieH> !Mysfyt Debbie Macomber - [Cedar Cove 05] - 50 Harbor Street (v5.0) (epub).rar
[20:48] <OerHeks> donnieH, stop that, no filesharing here
[20:49] <donnieH> sorry OerHeks  typed it in the wrong channel...
[20:50] <OerHeks> donnieH, highly illegal on #freenode too
[20:51] <genii> bindi: Please do: lsmod | grep serial     ...and see if module qcserial is loaded
[20:53] <bindi> genii: sec, ran out of battery
[20:54] <bindi> friend has to go and get the cable, unless if we continue tomorrow
[20:56] <genii> bindi: I will not be here tomorrow or Sunday, but will return Monday-Friday next week, as I connect from work
[20:56] <Cyber_Akuma> My install keeps complaning about "The package linux-image-4.5.0-sbz needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." I can't seem to Google that file
[20:57] <genii> bindi: I will be here about 2 hours more today
[20:57] <Cyber_Akuma> Any suggestions what I can look into?
[20:57] <OerHeks> linux-image-4.5.0-sbz seems no ubuntu kernel.
[20:58] <reisio> -sbz, is that copied & pasted? :p
[20:58] <Cyber_Akuma> yes
[20:59] <Cyber_Akuma> Can I clear apt-get's install cache or whatever?
[21:01] <bindi> genii: we'll continue tomorrow i think :p
[21:02] <auronandace> bindi: genii will see you Monday then
[21:12] <Bomber4Chats> which type of backup should I use if I have a dual-boot computer with Windows 8.1 and Kubuntu and I want to replace Kubuntu with another Ubuntu flavor, and hopefully keep the data I have from my current Kubuntu system?
[21:12] <kshenoy> I want Ubuntu to run this command on startup: `setxkbmap -option 'ctrl:nocaps'` How do I get it to do that?
[21:13] <Bomber4Chats> I have sda5 as / and sda7 as /home
[21:13] <Bomber4Chats> I should be able to simply replace sda5 with the new ubuntu flavor installation, and set sda7 as /home, right?
[21:14] <Bomber4Chats> btw, I realize I have 15Gb of Swap, is that an overkill?
[21:14] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: What? Whoa!
[21:15] <Mordoc_Mystery> Bomber4Chats, Wow - how much RAM do you have in that thing?
[21:15] <Bomber4Chats> 8..
[21:15] <Mordoc_Mystery> Bomber4Chats, usually the rule is either 1.5x or 2x what you have in RAM. Feel free to correct me IRC hive...
[21:15] <Bomber4Chats> so, yeah..
[21:15] <Bomber4Chats> I guess I'm good.
[21:16] <auronandace> Mordoc_Mystery: that is an old rule getting more irrelevant with the amount of RAM available nowadays
[21:16] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: Here's a rough guide for RHEL: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-ppc.html#id4394007
[21:17]  * nudoge 's eyes melt at the sight of RHEL
[21:17] <kshenoy> ... Sorry but I found it linked off an AskUbuntu post...
[21:18] <Bomber4Chats> ha, ok.
[21:18] <Bomber4Chats> so I can lower down a bit
[21:18] <Bomber4Chats> say 10g
[21:18] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: Dunno, what do you do with it?
[21:18] <Bomber4Chats> anyway, back to my question
[21:18] <Bomber4Chats> how should I backup my current Kub Os?
[21:18] <Bomber4Chats> OS*
[21:19] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: What'll happen if you just install to /sda5 and ask it to use /sda7 during install as your /home?
[21:20] <Mordoc_Mystery> Bomber4Chats, how much ram do you have in that box? Say it you have 4 GB, you could make it 8GB max...
[21:20] <kshenoy> I have multiple linux virtual machines (all Ubuntu based though) sharing the same data disk
[21:20] <Bomber4Chats> kshenoy: I don't know
[21:20] <Bomber4Chats> I hope it won't freak out
[21:21] <Bomber4Chats> If i can revert back to Kubuntu, that's just fine
[21:21] <kshenoy> But I don't tell it to mount the disk during installation. I just create links within /home
[21:21] <Bomber4Chats> but again, I want insurance, so I'd like to have an image backup, I believe
[21:22] <Bomber4Chats> kshenoy: ah, so multiple distros running against the same /home?
[21:22] <Bomber4Chats> That'd be nice
[21:22] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: Well, not directly. But the end result is the same
[21:22] <Bomber4Chats> yeah, sure, any details on how to do that?
[21:22] <Bomber4Chats> how to select that?
[21:22] <kshenoy> Eg. I have Ubuntu 16.04 and Elementary OS 0.3 (I think...)
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> and you can choose which one to boot to
[21:23] <kshenoy> When I  installed them, I didn't mount /home as a separate partition so by default it installed /home in the same partition as /
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> uhhhh
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> Ok...
[21:23] <kshenoy> But then after install, I added my "Data" disk
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> so did I screw myself over by having sda5 / sda7 /home?
[21:24] <kshenoy> and created symlinks for ~/Documents, ~/Videos etc. to point to the Data Disk
[21:24] <kshenoy> Anything that I want to be portable, I put it on the Data partition and then just created links
[21:24] <Bomber4Chats> hmm
[21:24] <Bomber4Chats> well, I can't make my sda7 protable, can I?
[21:25] <kshenoy> I remember trying to do like what you're trying i.e. just have /home as a separate partition and use it interchangeably between different OSes but I remember running into some issues
[21:25] <Bomber4Chats> hm
[21:25] <kshenoy> However, I didn't try too hard tbh
[21:26] <kshenoy> The symlink version worked, so I created a setup scripts that I can just run on a new machine so it doesn't take a lot of time to set up a new system so I'm happy with it
[21:27] <kshenoy> Besides, the things that I truly value are my documents etc. which are anyway backed-up via dropbox and my dotfiles repo which are backed-up via  dropbox and github
[21:29] <chadwin> Hello guys.....long time no read!!...lol
[21:33] <Bomber4Chats> k, I have 336GB of space, 170 used for Kubuntu
[21:33] <Bomber4Chats> I'll just split off 100G for the new ubuntu
[21:34] <Bomber4Chats> or...I dunno..
[21:37] <stacks88> in 16.04 are you able to now patch the kernel without rebooting ?
[21:37] <Cyber_Akuma> apt-get is stuck trying to install a package it can't find >.<
[21:38] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: 'stuck' in what sense?
[21:38] <Cyber_Akuma> I can't seem to google the packag name either
[21:38] <nacc> stacks88: not yet available, i don't think, you're referring to kpatch i believe
[21:38] <Cyber_Akuma> It just says "The package linux-image-4.5.0-sbz needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." and I can't do anything else
[21:39] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: ok, "stuck" would imply "hung" to me, which is not the case, that's why i asked for clarification
[21:39] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: what is that package?
[21:39] <Cyber_Akuma> No idea
[21:39] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: not an ubuntu one, I believe
[21:39] <Cyber_Akuma> I think Steam tried to install it when I tried to install Steam
[21:40] <Cyber_Akuma> Oh wait..... it's part of an attempt to install sound drivers
[21:41] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: so you put a package on, presumably from a PPA, but it didn't finish (i'm guessing)
[21:41] <apb1963> Today's random tip:  Some useful & interesting info here for both developers and sysadmins.  Definitely worth a look.  This tip will (probably) not be repeated.  Ever.  http://troglobit.com/
[21:41] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah, it said "unpacking" and never progressed from there
[21:41] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: and that package was then deleted from the PPA or wherever you got it from
[21:41] <Cyber_Akuma> I still have it in my downloads folder actually
[21:41] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: so you need to tell apt to uninstall it (purge it, most likely)
[21:41] <Cyber_Akuma> Tried reinstalling it..... still hands on unpacking
[21:41] <Cyber_Akuma> hangs*
[21:42] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: i'm not really willing to figure that out -- my suggestion is remove that if you want  support here, as using said package puts you outside of ubuntu proper
[21:43] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: Why do you need 100G for it?
[21:43] <Cyber_Akuma> How do I do that
[21:43] <Bomber4Chats> assuming I can't provide my current /home for the new ubuntu
[21:44] <kshenoy> Bomber4Chats: No, I mean the base install only takes 8-10G IIRC. 100G is way too much
[21:44] <bprompt> hmm
[21:44] <bprompt> kshenoy:    mine was around 6gbs IIRC for 16.04
[21:45] <bprompt> kshenoy:    put a few apps and stuff, and it's around 8gbs total
[21:45] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: i'm just guessing, but `apt-get remove --purge linux-image-4.5.0-sbz`
[21:45] <Cyber_Akuma> Still complains that it needs to be reinstalled
[21:46] <kshenoy> bprompt: Right, so 10 or in the worst case 20G should be more than enough. I was curious to see why he wanted to set aside 100G
[21:46] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: please pastebin output of `apt-get update; apt-get remove --purge linux-image-4.5.0-sbz`
[21:47] <bprompt> kshenoy:    10 is unlikely, but possible, if installing a really big bunch of packages, 100Gbs, depends, if he's going to do rom VMing, I see the need, or run a webserver, or do some media editing
[21:47] <Mr|Dave> hi, i have an older macmini (intel) and i've been trying to get wireless to work. i tried 16.04, which didn't work. just installed 14.04 to see if that would be any better. any thoughts on what i should be trying/testing/looking at? iwlist scan says "No scan results". on 16.04, i tried firmware-b43-installer, bcmwl-kernel-source, and broadcom-sta-dkms. on 14.04 i've tried bcmwl-kernel-source so far
[21:47] <Mr|Dave> is there a better room where people are more focused on either apple, wifi, or general networking issues?
[21:48] <Cyber_Akuma> Probably #apple for apple and #hardware for general networking hardware
[21:49] <nacc> !alis | Mr|Dave
[21:49] <Mr|Dave> well i sort of meant ubuntu-on-apple rather than just general apple issues
[21:49] <Cyber_Akuma> nacc, http://pastebin.com/uRX0CrwF
[21:49] <kshenoy> bprompt: Umm, why would one need the root partition to be 100GB for rom VMing? For that matter, what's rom VMing? I assume you meant running virtual machines.
[21:50] <nacc> Cyber_Akuma: what about `dpkg -P linux-image-4.5.0-sbz`
[21:50] <OerHeks> Cyber_Akuma, try again without update please...
[21:51] <Mr|Dave> nacc: yeah, #apple does not look like the right place. it's only for osx
[21:51] <drale2k> i want to install a specific nginx version but it always gives me "Unable to locate package nginx-1.8.1"
[21:51] <drale2k> although 1.8.1 exists for sure
[21:51] <OerHeks> update might triggered this error
[21:51] <Cyber_Akuma> "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting a removal"
[21:52] <Cyber_Akuma> I also tried it without the update for apt-get before
[21:52] <nacc> OerHeks: Cyber_Akuma's attempt to install the pacakge didn't finish
[21:52] <nacc> OerHeks: so it's in an inconsistent state
[21:52] <bprompt> kshenoy:   yes, just thiinking, he may do it on the root, I wouldn't, but tis a reason for a big root
[21:52] <nacc> drale2k: so generally, there's one version of a given package for each version of ubuntu (allowing for -backports and -updates/-security)
[21:52] <nacc> drale2k: and it wouldn't be named nginx-<version>, it would be nginx everywhere
[21:53] <nacc> drale2k: what version of ubuntu?
[21:53] <nacc> drale2k: no published version of ubuntu currently ships 1.8.1 in its repositories
[21:53] <Cyber_Akuma> This package isn't in the repos by the way, so I don't see the point of update, I got it from here: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=741501
[21:53] <Cyber_Akuma> It's an expiremental drivers to try to get my soundcard working
[21:53] <drale2k> nacc: 3.13.0-57-generic #95-Ubuntu
[21:54] <Mr|Dave> is there a better distro to look at instead of ubuntu? maybe one that has better out of the box wifi support for older machines?
[21:54] <drale2k> i did a apt-get upgrade and now my webapps stopped working because of an issue wit hthe new nginx version. I jsut want  to rollback
[21:54] <nacc> drale2k: that's your kernel version, `lsb-release -a` will tell the version
[21:54] <OerHeks> sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove linux-image-4.5.0-sbz* as the name might be longer than that
[21:54] <drale2k> nacc: i get a lsb-release: command not found
[21:54] <nacc> drale2k: err, sorry, lsb_release
[21:55] <nacc> drale2k: don't paste the whole output, just tell the "description" line
[21:55] <drale2k> 14.04
[21:55] <OerHeks> via google i find linux-image-4.5.0-sbz 4.5.0-sbz-1_amd64.deb for some sb-z issue
[21:55] <nacc> ok
[21:55] <Snackerr> Hey what is the difference between the MINI.ISO, and the regular Xubuntu?  is it worth going out to buy a DVD+R and coming back?  What do i miss if i just do the MINI.ISO?
[21:55] <Cyber_Akuma> OerHeks, I posted the link where I got it from
[21:55] <nacc> drale2k: for 14.04, the version of nginx is 1.4.6-1ubuntu3.5 (in -updates). Anything else is unsupported here...
[21:55] <OerHeks> mini iso needs internet ( cable )  to install, and no live function
[21:56] <nacc> drale2k: if you want to use a ppa or something to get 1.8.1, you can search them and try to find it, but that version is not available for trusty from ubuntu
[21:56] <drale2k> nacc: is that the latest or the oldest supported nginx version ?
[21:56] <Snackerr> OerHeks,  i have internet, with cable. yes
[21:56] <Snackerr> OerHeks,  any other differences?
[21:56] <OerHeks> !mini
[21:56] <nacc> drale2k: i don't know how to answer that question?
[21:56] <OerHeks> mini gives all desktops
[21:57] <nacc> drale2k: as in, i don't fully undrestand what you're asking
[21:57] <Snackerr> hmm, i dont see the option to install MP3 support,etc?  when doing the MINI.ISO?  how do i install it after the install (or check if it did install it?)
[21:57] <drale2k> nacc: 1.4.6 is the oldest version on ubuntu i can rollback to?
[21:57] <nacc> OerHeks: Cyber_Akuma: you might also need --force-remove-reinstreq, depending on the state
[21:58] <OerHeks> err only mint does that, ubuntu uses restricted extra metapackage
[21:58] <drale2k> currently it is on 1.10.1 which i need to get rid of
[21:58] <Snackerr> OerHeks, i just installed the MINI.ISO,, from CD.  cuz i didnt have any DVD-R's left,  is that just as good? hmmmm so only missing theubuntu uses restricted extra metapackage?
[21:58] <nacc> drale2k: i'm not sure how you did that, as that's the version in xenial/yakkety. Did you install via  a PPA?
[21:58] <Snackerr> OerHeks,  i did Xubuntu-desktop, for install
[21:59] <drale2k> nacc: just apt-get upgrade
[21:59] <nacc> drale2k: i would recommend removing nginx and installing the version from trusty proper. I don't know what state you are in.
[21:59] <nacc> drale2k: are you using a PPA?
[21:59] <drale2k> nacc: no
[21:59] <nacc> drale2k: please pastebin the output of `apt-get update`.
[21:59] <nacc> drale2k: there is no nginx 1.10.1 publisehd for trusty in the official ubuntu archives
[22:00] <nacc> drale2k: in fact, the only place that is currently published is 16.10
[22:00] <drale2k> nacc: i see 1.10.1 also when i run "apt-cache showpkg nginx"
[22:00] <nacc> drale2k: please pastebin as requested and `apt-cache policy nginx`
[22:00] <drale2k> and it says "Version: 1.10.1-0+trusty0" for "dpks -s nginx"
[22:01] <drale2k> k mom
[22:01] <nacc> drale2k: that's from a PPA
[22:01] <drale2k> oh you are right, it says "ppa.launchpad.net..."
[22:01] <nacc> ...
[22:01] <drale2k> i didn't know lol
[22:01] <nacc> maybe drop the attitude, and take the help as its given...
[22:02] <drale2k> what?
[22:02] <drale2k> what attitude
[22:02] <nacc> "k mom" :-P
[22:02] <drale2k> that's "ok, one moment"
[22:02] <drale2k> what's wrong with that
[22:02] <nacc> ah, i read it as, "k mom" (stop nagging me)
[22:02] <teward> drale2k: nowhere in Ubuntu will you find 1.8.x
[22:02] <nacc> as in mom = mother :)
[22:02] <drale2k> ^^
[22:02] <nacc> drale2k: my apologies :)
[22:02] <teward> drale2k: 1.8.x is no longer supported by the nginx PPA team, nor NGINX upstream because it was replaced
[22:02] <teward> and is end of life on its own
[22:03] <drale2k> i don't need 1.8.1, was jsut an example. I just need to rollback to what it was before
[22:03] <drale2k> one or 2 versions erlier
[22:03] <teward> drale2k: there's no way to know what it was 'before'
[22:03] <nacc> drale2k: right but you're using a PPA, meaning ask the PPA maintainer
[22:03] <teward> nacc: *cough* ohai
[22:03] <nacc> that might be teward :)
[22:03] <user2635> Just finished my DejaDup backup, got some errors. Can someone tell me if they look critical and how I can prevent them in future? http://pastebin.com/JT4dAMFz
[22:04] <nacc> drale2k: we dpm
[22:04] <teward> drale2k: happy to try and help you outside of the channel since PPAs aren't supported here
[22:04] <nacc> drale2k: sorry, we don't know what you installed and when
[22:04] <teward> drale2k: but FYI, I have less attitude tolerance than nacc - give me any and you get slapped ;)
[22:04] <nacc> teward: it was a misinterpretation on my end :)
[22:04] <teward> nacc: ah ok
[22:04] <drale2k> another chan or priv msg ?
[22:05] <teward> drale2k: I suggest you'd start by looking in your /var/log/apt/history.log  files
[22:05] <teward> find where the prior nginx was installed
[22:05] <teward> get the version number
[22:05] <teward> if it's not what's in the Ubuntu repositories (really old version) then it's from the PPA
[22:06] <drale2k> teward: it says "nginx-full:amd64 (1.10.0-0+trusty0, 1.10.1-0+trusty0)"
[22:06] <drale2k> so it wnet from 1.10.0 to 1.10.1 ?
[22:07] <teward> drale2k: because of a security update, yes.
[22:07] <teward> drale2k: functionality between 1.10.0 and 1.10.1 hasn't changed
[22:07] <drale2k> hm, somehow that broke something on my side with dokku (and spdy)
[22:08] <teward> drale2k: can't help you here, I'd suggest #nginx for debugging that, but SPDY is also not supported in nginx 1.9.5+, or whenever HTTP/2 was introduced
[22:08] <teward> because that replaced spdu
[22:08] <teward> spdy*
[22:08] <drale2k> ok so i need to go before 1.9.5
[22:08] <drale2k> but when i try apt-get install nginx=1.9.3 i get "Version '1.9.3' for 'nginx' was not found"
[22:09] <drale2k> i did not do an distupgrade, so a version before 1.9.5 was available before
[22:16] <teward> drale2k: 1.9.x is also not supported
[22:16] <teward> drale2k: problem is: there is no PPA version other than the latest stable, or latest mainline
[22:16] <teward> drale2k: not that i'd advise using, that is
[22:16] <teward> drale2k: and there's no versions of those in the Ubuntu repositories, especially not for Trusty
[22:19] <ilpollo> #ubuntu /join ubuntu-es
[22:20] <ilpollo> fuc... sorry whats the dir of the spanish chanel please ?
[22:20] <nacc> !es | ilpollo
[22:21] <ilpollo> thanks regards
[22:26] <BS> hi
[22:26] <BS> how are you people
[22:26] <BS> ?
[22:28] <JhonC> Hi there!
[22:28] <JhonC> is apt the same as aptitude?
[22:30] <\9> JhonC: not really, apt is a newer user-friendly front-end to apt
[22:30] <\9> aptitude's practically obsolete by now
[22:30] <BS> I am from Syria and the system is not being updated its so hard here
[22:30] <JhonC> uh... Ok.
[22:31] <Cyber_Akuma> Huh, by some miracle me screwing up the Ubuntu kernel several times over with expiremental stuff that wasn't installing right didn't render the OS unbootable.... and the expiremental drivers actually work
[22:33] <SchrodingersScat> JhonC: they both use the same package system, so really whichever you prefer, but seems apt is the one being pushed as standard now.
[22:35] <JhonC> what are the differences between apt and apt-get?
[22:35] <nacc> JhonC: apt is more interactive oriented, i guess
[22:36] <ozbrk> I still don't get it why I can't enable webgl on google chrome I tried everything and nvdia drivers are on 361
[22:36] <nacc> JhonC: `man apt` and `man apt-get`
[22:36] <kshenoy> Can someone tell me how to run a command on startup?
[22:36] <ozbrk> I tried to reproduce the crash and it ends with a really long output
[22:38] <JhonC> I like your opinions
[22:39] <ozbrk> kshenoy, just type to unity "startup"
[22:39] <ozbrk> kshenoy, then you'll figure it out
[22:40] <kshenoy> ozbrk: I put my command in there but it didn't start
[22:41] <ozbrk> kshenoy, well don't out it on a command line then just type unity searchbar and you'll see something like startup apps
[22:41] <ozbrk> kshenoy, if you find it and type your command maybe your syntax is false check your command if it is requires sudo or something
[22:42] <kshenoy> ozbrk: That's what I meant. I added my command to startup applications and checked the box next to it
[22:42] <kshenoy> ozbrk: This is what I have there: `setxkbmap -option 'ctrl:nocaps'`
[22:42] <kshenoy> It doesn't require sudo. If I select and paste it in terminal it works
[22:43] <ozbrk> kshenoy, I don't know the command just here to tell you how you can do it.
[22:43] <kshenoy> ozbrk: Fair enough. Thx for helping out :)
[22:44] <ozbrk> kshenoy, It seems it is a keyboard configuration command why do you need it
[22:45] <kshenoy> ozbrk: It maps Caps Lock to Control i.e. I can use the CapsLock as an additional Control
[22:56] <niranjan> Hi there, on Ubuntu 12.04 desktop, got the update notification and started updating. It's more than three hours and update is still not done. I noticed process dpkg-preconfigu is eating 50% of cpu. Can I kill that process as update seems to have crashed for some reason
[22:57] <W00dP3ck3r> yes
[22:59] <ozbrk> niranjan, why are you using 12.04
[23:00] <OerHeks> 12.04 is still supported
[23:00] <niranjan> I have not got the update notification yet. I am expecting it this month based on calendar I saw on ubutnu website
[23:01] <ozbrk> niranjan, can you reach the apt-get update && upgrade ?
[23:01] <niranjan> ozbrk, trying that now
[23:01] <ozbrk> niranjan, if you can try to update it with terminal more dependable accutaly
[23:02] <ozbrk> OerHeks, wow really thats strange
[23:03] <nacc> ozbrk: what's strange?
[23:03] <OerHeks> 'more dependable'??
[23:07] <niranjan> ozbrk, on command line it worked. Most probably culprit was mysql update. It was showing a configuration screen and likely UI could not handle it
[23:08] <niranjan> Saw this error too - /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-apt-config.config: line 182: [: =: unary operator expected
[23:11] <therealtbe> how to launch installer in text only mode?
[23:12] <therealtbe> keyboard gets stuck on language selection first page of installer
[23:13] <OerHeks> only the mini-iso can do text-only install
[23:14] <therealtbe> why does my keyboard work in bios and grub, but not on language selection install screen?
[23:16] <OerHeks> therealtbe, what machine is this?
[23:17] <therealtbe> OerHeks: intel nuc
[23:18] <therealtbe> maybe there is some grub kernel parameter that I can add to tell it to not kill usb keyboard
[23:18] <OerHeks> check if there is an bios update http://www.pcworld.com/article/2097281/new-intel-nuc-bios-update-fixes-linux-installation-woes.html
[23:19] <OerHeks> also a win7 issue https://communities.intel.com/thread/77220
[23:19] <nacc> usb handoff from the bios can be buggy, for sure
[23:19] <nacc> all that legacy mode stuff and whatnot
[23:20] <OerHeks> his keyboard works in grub, not installer..
[23:22] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: therealtbe :: Kernel cannot match what bios hands off ? Maybe change the USB settings in bios ? See if that makes a difference .
[23:25] <dyc3> Ive got a bit of a weird problem on my hands. I have a folder "/var/lib/tftpboot/" and, according to ls, it's a folder and i can list the files inside it (there are none currently). But when i try to use cp to copy files into it (specifically, "cp -r /media/USER/UUI/install/netboot/* /var/lib/tftpboot"), it says "cp: target '/var/lib/tftpboot/' is not a directory." has anyone else encountered this before?
[23:26] <nacc> dyc3: is /var/lib/tftpboot by any chance actually a symlink? (ls -ahl /var/lib/ would say)
[23:28] <dyc3> nacc: no, because i created it myself,  and i double checked
[23:28] <nacc> dyc3: are you doing hte cp as root/under sudo?
[23:29] <dyc3> nacc: yes, and i have tried using a different folder as well
[23:29] <nacc> dyc3: and the different folder also doesn't work?
[23:29] <dyc3> nacc: nope
[23:30] <Ben64> dyc3: pastebin the output of "ls -ld /var/lib/tftpboot"
[23:30] <jason_> Can I copy my Ubuntu install to another disk? I just bought a larger SSD and want to transfer the install to it (so I can put the small one in my laptop).
[23:30] <Ben64> jason_: yep
[23:32] <jason_> Ben64, can you point me towards how to do it?
[23:32] <Ben64> jason_: easiest way would be to dd the whole thing over
[23:33] <f0xtr0t-qwerty-k> hey guys
[23:34] <dyc3> nacc: http://sprunge.us/bYQQ
[23:34] <jason_> Ben64, there's not a tool for doing this? I'm a bit hesitant to use such a low level approach.
[23:35] <jason_> and I would need to screw around with some configuration files I'm sure? The bootloader at least?
[23:35] <dyc3> oops, wrong person
[23:35] <dyc3> ben64: http://sprunge.us/bYQQ
[23:35] <Ben64> jason_: no, a full dd would be no different
[23:36] <Ben64> dyc3: strange
[23:37] <dyc3> im using ubuntu 14.04.3 if it helps
[23:38] <Ben64> dyc3: something weird is going on, is /var some weird fs or something
[23:38] <dyc3> ben64: no, everything is on one partition
[23:39] <est31> my system always pesters me about installing flash
[23:39] <est31> how can I make it shut u
[23:39] <est31> p
[23:39] <dyc3> ben64: and iirc its ext4
[23:39] <est31> and installing flash doesnt count
[23:39] <nacc> dyc3: at the risk of sounding foolish: `cd /var/lib/tftpboot; cp -r /media/USER/UUI/install/netboot/* .` ?
[23:40] <nacc> dyc3: does that fail the same way?
[23:40] <dyc3> one sec
[23:43] <dyc3> nacc: it worked! thanks
[23:43] <nacc> dyc3: strange. :)
[23:43] <nacc> dyc3: in some sense, that's worse, as it breaks expectations :)
[23:44] <nacc> dyc3: but glad you got your stuff copied :)
[23:44] <Ben64> original problem might have been typo then
[23:45] <jason_> Ben64, so if I just dd my current linux install over to a new disk, take the old disk out of my machine, everything will work perfectly without doing anything extra?
[23:46] <R13ose> How do I combine two videos together into one?
[23:46] <Ben64> jason_: indeed. just make sure to do that from a livecd/usb and you're going to want to extend the partitions after
[23:46] <givonz> anyone with experience installing ubuntu as a dual boot to win 10?
[23:49] <tpw_rules> my update manager on 14.04 is confused. it says i have i have an update and that 76.4MB will be downloaded, but the "details" box shows no update and neither apt-get nor aptitude show that any packages can be upgrade
[23:50] <pandax> hi
[23:50] <pandax> is there where linux users are hiding
[23:51] <R13ose> pandax: yes
[23:51] <pandax> lol
[23:51] <the-erm> Has anyone ever heard of a tool that will basically do cron jobs but in a digest format?  The idea would be if the subprocess exit's with anything other than 0 it will send print the output immediately other wise it'll store it and send the out put once a day.
[23:52] <pandax> we are back in time
[23:52] <pandax> it's the 90s
[23:52] <pandax> we are chatting
[23:52] <tpw_rules> if i click install it just pretends to do stuff for a second then goes back to the same screen
[23:52] <Bashing-om> pandax: Just a bunch of some .. IF ubuntu as the distirbutionm you have some hope .
[23:52] <pandax> bro this is ubuntu MATE
[23:53] <tpw_rules> i can right click and deselect all but then it just says no packages to install. right click -> select all brings back the 76.4MB
[23:53] <pandax> hi sean
[23:53] <Bashing-om> pandax: K; Mate is supported here .
[23:55] <givonz> anyone with experience with 14.04 on virtual box?
[23:56] <dyc3> givonz: why do you ask?


[02:33] <Robdgreat> BOOM
[02:33] <boomer> itsame
[05:25] <Robdgreat> wb
[14:27] <Robdgreat> hey K_Sam
[15:48] <Robdgreat> ok.


[01:42] <roasted> hi friends
[01:42] <roasted> anybody having issues with their screen timing out after x-minutes? About 90% of the time what I set it to in either dconf (idle-delay) or in system settings, it doesn't respond and the screen just stays awake full time.
[01:49] <oerheks> systemsettings > power setting perhaps?
[01:58] <roasted> oerheks: been there
[01:59] <roasted> oerheks: says 1 minute. wait 1 minute. most of the time, nothing.
[01:59] <roasted> change it to 5 minutes, wait 5 minutes, most of the time - nothing.
[01:59] <roasted> every once in a while if I change it in dconf, suddenly it works once, but won't work again
[01:59] <roasted> my wife and I have identical laptops with 17.04 UG installed, and still I can't wrap my head around it .Her laptop works flawlessly.
[02:01] <jbicha> roasted: do you happen to have Unity or any other desktops installed?
[02:12] <roasted> jbicha: no
[02:13] <roasted> jbicha: when wife and I got brand new laptops, the unity news broke, so we decided to get in on a fresh install of the latest gnome and run with that until the LTS lands, so we're on 17.04 straight from an Ubuntu Gnome ISO.
[02:13] <jbicha> it sounds like you just need to switch laptops with her when she's not looking

[02:14] <roasted> ha, I could. :P
[02:14] <roasted> I'm just not seeing why when I make system settings>power changes and then check dconf, dconf yields exactly what I put in system settings -- but often doesn't honor it.
[02:15] <jbicha> are both or just one of you using GNOME on Wayland?
[02:21] <roasted> both are using Gnome, both are using X
[02:25] <jbicha> I don't know
[02:25] <roasted> I nuked .config/dconf/user but that made no difference. Might just have to nuke all .config .gnome etc stuff and see.
[02:25] <roasted> I'll create a 2nd user here and see how that does. Didn't try that yet.
[02:35] <roasted> oh my, I thought we were on to something there.
[02:35] <roasted> screen started dimming! I got all excited! and it went blank! and then immediately lit up as if I just hit a keystroke... and I didn't touch it at all...


[02:24] <dmcglone> Hey guys, any javascript junkies in here?
[03:01] <canthus13> not me.
[05:17] <Unit193> Ubuntu needs something like this: susestudio.com
[05:20] <Cheri703> ubuntu custom kit (or something like that)
[05:22] <Unit193> Novo Builder? I was referring to the online part...
[05:22] <Unit193> Novo Builder looks like something to try
[14:14] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:39] <dmcglone1> Hi all
[14:41] <thafreak> Morning
[14:45] <dmcglone1> What ya doing?
[14:45] <dmcglone1> I'm sittin here at McDonalds eating and hangin out
[14:48] <thafreak> working
[14:48] <thafreak> nothing fun
[15:03] <dmcglone1> Ahhh your supposed to love your job ;-)
[15:04] <thafreak> no, I love sleep
[15:04] <canthus13> sleep? Whazzat?
[15:05] <thafreak> I don't hate my job...just...it's monday and things aren't going right...
[15:05] <canthus13> So... everything is going as expected?
[22:17] <Unit193> Cheri703: Nope, picked up yet another P4
[22:18] <Cheri703> nice
[22:55] <Unit193> Cheri703: I'm guessing the U-H is 1/13? (is on loco cal)
[22:55] <Cheri703> should be
[22:55] <Cheri703> is the calendar not updated?
[22:55] <Unit193> No, it's fine
[22:55] <Cheri703> ok
[22:56] <Unit193> just asking before I tell anyone that it is
[22:56] <Unit193> (you could be sick or something)
[22:57] <Cheri703> as far as I'm aware, it'll be then
[22:57] <Cheri703> (and it can still happen even if I'm not there)