[00:00]  * dutchie will file a needs-packaging for ccicons and hope that lucid+1 has all the relevant packages
[00:00] <dutchie> night anyway
[00:00] <godbyk> g'night.
[02:32] <humphreybc> screenshots are looking goofd!
[02:32] <humphreybc> good*
[02:36] <donri> Are they in the PDF and everything?
[02:36] <humphreybc> yep
[02:36] <humphreybc> hey godbyk, do you think it'd be worth putting a thin border around each screenshot?
[02:37] <donri> Update the builds site! And automate it! :(
[02:37] <humphreybc> the one of the firefox looks a bit weird because it just blends with the page
[02:37] <humphreybc> haha
[02:37] <godbyk> Hmm.. maybe, I dunno.
[02:37] <godbyk> I haven't really looked at 'em yet.
[02:37] <humphreybc> okay
[02:37] <humphreybc> they look pretty good
[02:37] <godbyk> compiling now.
[02:37] <humphreybc> you'll have to eventually go through one by one and make sure the alignment and stuff is all good
[02:37] <godbyk> I know that ubuntujenkins uploaded a TON of 'em today.
[02:37] <humphreybc> some of the captions have overlapped margin notes and things
[02:37] <humphreybc> yeah there are quite a few in there now :P
[02:38] <godbyk> yeah, that'll be another last-minute thing.
[02:38] <humphreybc> so did you work out how to keep the descriptions from the TODO commands?
[02:38] <godbyk> I think I may just make a \quickshot command or something.
[02:38] <godbyk> I haven't really decided yet.
[02:39] <humphreybc> okay
[02:39] <godbyk> The screenshot caption and the quickshot description will be two different things.
[02:39] <humphreybc> they will be
[02:39] <humphreybc> we're just on 500 bug reports now btw
[02:39] <godbyk> And the \screenshot command will print a TODO-like box if it can't find the file.  So we can go ahead and start using those instead (and writing good captions).
[02:39] <godbyk> nice!
[02:40] <godbyk> I made some global edits earlier today. They might have fixed a few of those bugs.
[02:40] <godbyk> things like capitalizing Internet, fixing some quotation marks, and other random stuff.
[02:40] <humphreybc> yeah I saw some of those
[02:41] <godbyk> I was just digging through some docs looking at how to fix some other issues.
[02:41] <humphreybc> is there any latex spellchecker thing we can use?
[02:41] <godbyk> Btw, it looks like I should be able to tell \url to *not* break after a colon.  I'll give it a shot sometime here.
[02:41] <humphreybc> nice
[02:42] <godbyk> aspell or ispell or one of 'em has a -t option for parsing tex files.
[02:42] <godbyk> it's not the smartest parser in the world, but it'll skip over most the common latex commands.
[02:42] <humphreybc> worth running it?
[02:42] <godbyk> maybe.
[02:42] <godbyk> I'll give it a try a bit later.
[02:42] <humphreybc> okay
[02:42] <humphreybc> let me know how you go
[02:43] <godbyk> will do.
[02:43] <godbyk> I'll be back in a little bit.
[02:43] <humphreybc> also, i changed some subsections to sections so they'd appear in the contents
[02:43] <godbyk> Gonna grab something to eat.
[02:43] <humphreybc> k
[02:43] <godbyk> Cool.
[02:43] <godbyk> I added the glossary to the toc -- just for you!
[02:43] <godbyk> :)
[02:44] <godbyk> (actually, I was surprised it wasn't there. turns out you have to pass the 'toc' option to the glossaries package.  <shrug>)
[02:44] <godbyk> anyway, brb.
[02:46] <humphreybc> kk
[02:51] <jaminday> Hey humphreybc: I just rearranged the order of nautilus section a bit
[02:51] <humphreybc> hey
[02:51] <humphreybc> oh?
[02:51] <jaminday> Makes more sense to have navigating first
[02:51] <jaminday> then opening files
[02:52] <jaminday> then creating folders
[02:52] <jaminday> then copy paste
[02:52] <jaminday> Kinda least complex to more complex
[02:52] <jaminday> Is that ok?
[02:52] <humphreybc> yea
[02:53] <jaminday> sweet
[02:53] <humphreybc> sounds good
[02:53] <jaminday> 500 bugs, wow
[02:53] <humphreybc> there is a severe lack of margin notes in the "Working with Ubuntu" chapter
[02:53] <jaminday> Yeah i noticed that
[02:53] <jaminday> I've added a couple this morning
[02:53] <humphreybc> Tonight when i go through it I'm going to see if I can take a lot of stuff and make them margin notes
[02:53] <jaminday> Ok cool. Make sure I've pushed before you do so we don't double up
[02:54] <humphreybc> yep
[02:54] <humphreybc> have you seen all the screenshots?
[02:54] <jaminday> yeah they are looking good!
[02:54] <jaminday> Except are blurry on my screen - i'm not sure why
[02:54] <jaminday> it could be evince?
[02:55] <humphreybc> yep
[02:55] <humphreybc> it's evince
[02:55] <humphreybc> they're not blurry in adobe reader or when printed
[02:55] <jaminday> what do you use in ubuntu? adobe?
[02:55] <humphreybc> evince
[02:55] <jaminday> ah ok
[02:55] <humphreybc> adobe isn't packaged for lucid yet
[02:55] <humphreybc> are you still on karmic?
[02:55] <jaminday> yep, but i've got lucid in a virtualbox so i can refer to it as i go
[02:56] <humphreybc> ok
[02:56] <jaminday> except i just broke it trying to install guest additions
[02:56] <humphreybc> lol
[02:56] <jaminday> hehe
[02:56] <humphreybc> guest additions don't support lucid yet :P
[02:56] <humphreybc> btw, when you come across screenshots, the captions will need to be looked at
[02:56] <jaminday> yeah i just learnt that the hard way!
[02:56] <jaminday> ok
[02:57] <jaminday> that will probably be the last thing i come back to once bugs are done
[02:57] <humphreybc> yep
[02:57] <jaminday> are screenshot captions included in the writing freeze?
[02:57] <humphreybc> yes
[02:57] <humphreybc> they get translated too
[02:57] <jaminday> ah yes of course
[02:58] <jaminday> Did you see that post from the team translating in Tamil?
[02:58] <humphreybc> nope?
[02:58] <humphreybc> about the photo?
[02:58] <jaminday> Hmm.. not sure. I'll dig up the link
[02:59] <jaminday> http://kanchilug.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/translating-ubuntu-manual-into-tamil/
[02:59] <jaminday> you might have seen it
[03:00] <humphreybc> nope haven't seen it, looks awesome! reading now
[03:00] <humphreybc> (those guys are hardcore btw)
[03:00] <humphreybc> what country is tamil spoken in?
[03:00] <humphreybc> wow
[03:00] <jaminday> Umm i'm not really sure - i think it's called kanchipuram ?
[03:00] <humphreybc> that is awesome
[03:01] <jaminday> actually that's probably the city
[03:01] <humphreybc> wow
[03:01] <jaminday> yeah i know - pen and paper!
[03:01] <jaminday> I wrote to them and said they might want to wait till writing freeze before doing too much more
[03:02] <jaminday> especially if they are doing a lot by hand
[03:02] <godbyk> back.. with banana bread.
[03:02] <jaminday> btw - any bugs on the spreadsheet that we won't have time to address till next version, put 10.10 in the 'fixed' column
[03:03] <jaminday> that way we can keep track of them so they don't get forgotten
[03:06] <godbyk> I have a ta.po file for the Tamil translation, but it doesn't have any translations yet.
[03:06] <godbyk> Hope everything is going well there.
[03:06] <jaminday> yeah same, they seem to be very keen
[03:06] <jaminday> They might be waiting till writing freeze
[03:07] <humphreybc> I think I suggested they wait till writing freeze
[03:07] <humphreybc> that is so cool though
[03:07] <godbyk> ok
[03:07] <godbyk> just checking
[03:07] <humphreybc> I wonder if there are other groups like this translating the manual
[03:08] <jaminday> godbyk: Just added a link to www.ubuntu-manual.org in the welcome section of prologue
[03:08] <godbyk> 'bout time someone did!
[03:08]  * godbyk glares at humphreybc.
[03:08] <jaminday> hehe
[03:08] <humphreybc> huh?
[03:09] <humphreybc> it was already there
[03:09] <humphreybc> under contact details
[03:09] <jaminday> ah - hang on i'll show you what i did
[03:09] <godbyk> I fixed some bugs in your 'perfect' chapters, too, humphreybc.  Bugs that I even told you about. :)
[03:09] <humphreybc> ..
[03:09] <humphreybc> such as?
[03:09] <godbyk> I don't remember; I'd have to glance at the bzr logs for today again.
[03:10] <godbyk> maybe capitalizing Internet or serial commas or somesuch.
[03:10] <humphreybc> lol ok
[03:11] <jaminday> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/716997/Prologue.png
[03:11] <humphreybc> oh right
[03:11] <humphreybc> sure
[03:12] <godbyk> \o/
[03:12] <jaminday> hehe
[03:13] <jaminday> godbyk: did you say you had a way to fix the web address breaking at the : in the welcome section?
[03:13] <godbyk> I think so, yes.
[03:13] <jaminday> ok great
[03:13] <godbyk> I haven't coded it yet, though.
[03:13] <jaminday> no worries
[03:13] <godbyk> And that may cause even worse line breaks, who knows? :)
[03:14] <godbyk> I need to totally refactor my tufte-book code sometime soon.
[03:15] <humphreybc> Tamil is spoken in a province of India
[03:15] <jaminday> ah ok
[03:16] <humphreybc> btw, i need your mugshots people
[03:16] <jaminday> that's right i forgot
[03:18] <jaminday> Here you go
[03:18] <jaminday> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/716997/n612706380_207551_8825.jpg
[03:19] <humphreybc> LOL
[03:19] <humphreybc> you're an idiot
[03:19] <jaminday> hehe
[03:20] <jaminday> you think it's usable?
[03:20] <godbyk> Wow.. that's *exactly* how I pictured you in my mind, jaminday!
[03:20] <humphreybc> lol
[03:22] <jaminday> hey godbyk: remind me how i search through the entire manual for a phrase
[03:23] <jaminday> never mind, evince is actually pretty good at searching
[03:25] <godbyk> if you want to search the .tex files, you can use 'grep "my phrase" -ir */*.tex' from the ubuntu-manual/ dir.
[03:25] <godbyk> the -i is for case-insensitive searching, and -r is recursive.
[03:25] <jaminday> ah cool
[03:25] <jaminday> i'll have to remember that
[03:28] <jaminday> humphreybc: In the prologue you said the linux is THE most popular unix-based operating system
[03:28] <jaminday> is this correct?
[03:39] <humphreybc> yes
[03:39] <jaminday> even more so than mac os x?
[03:39] <humphreybc> well on servers yea
[03:40] <donri> touché
[03:40] <jaminday> hmm...
[03:40] <humphreybc> i would say that linux overall has a larger market share than OS X
[03:40] <humphreybc> you can chuck the "most" back in there if you like
[03:40] <jaminday> yeah i think i will - most people reading this probably will be desktop users
[03:41] <jaminday> so it could be confusing
[03:41] <humphreybc> kk
[03:41] <jaminday> "and is currently one of the most popular..."
[03:41] <humphreybc> sure
[03:42] <jaminday> Hey who is in charge of glossary
[03:43] <humphreybc> nisshh
[03:44] <jaminday> Ok. I'll leave any bugs that mention glossary for him to look at then
[03:44] <humphreybc> yup
[03:52] <humphreybc> right off to class
[05:21] <jaminday> godbyk: ping
[05:21] <godbyk> jaminday: Hey.
[05:21] <jaminday> hey - do you know what the 'power' button in lucid is actually called
[05:21] <jaminday> ie where you logout shutdown etc
[05:21] <jaminday> is the the session management button?
[05:22] <jaminday> *it
[05:24] <godbyk> I'm not sure what it's called now, actually.
[05:24] <godbyk> right-clicking and selecting About just mentions the indicator applet.
[05:24] <jaminday> hmm ok.
[05:24] <godbyk> but that's what the power button thing is sitting in.
[05:24] <jaminday> I could call it the session management button, or otherwise keep it as "Power" button
[05:25] <godbyk> what does the docs team call it?
[05:26] <jaminday> I've been looking but cant seem to find it anywhere
[05:26] <godbyk> let me poke around a little.
[05:26] <jaminday> ok. Let me know if you find anything.
[05:32] <godbyk> I think it's the fast-user-switch-applet.
[05:32] <godbyk> but that's a crappy name
[05:32] <jaminday> ooh awkward nam
[05:32] <jaminday> *name
[05:32] <jaminday> Maybe we could do the inline image like you suggested
[05:33] <jaminday> and just call it the "Power" button as it's descriptive
[05:34] <godbyk> help.ubuntu.com didn't appear to mention anything about how to shutdown your computer.
[05:35] <jaminday> yeah i couldn't find anything on logout or restart either
[05:37] <godbyk> where are the docs that the docs team writes?
[05:37] <godbyk> it's a good thing we're writing a manual 'cause I can't find anything!
[05:37] <jaminday> hehe
[05:38] <jaminday> I'll leave as is for now then.
[05:38] <jaminday> Might talk to ubuntujenkins about putting in an inline image instead of the description
[05:39] <godbyk> yeah, there are a few others places where displaying the icon (instead of just describing it) would be handy.
[05:39] <godbyk> we'll need to collect the icons from the default theme.
[05:39] <godbyk> c'mon!
[05:40] <godbyk> a google search for "ubuntu how do I shutdown my computer?" was useless
[05:40] <godbyk> way down the list, I found a yahoo answers page about it.
[05:40] <godbyk> the answer was:
[05:40] <godbyk> "Click the button at the top right of the screen."
[05:40] <jaminday> hehe
[05:41] <donri> Well, it is a little cryptic. But less so in Lucid, I think?
[05:41] <jaminday> Yeah lucid is a little more obvious i think
[05:41] <donri> In Karmic, that I should click my user name to shut down, is about as helpful as good ol' windows "click start to stop".
[05:41] <jaminday> hehe that's right!
[05:41] <godbyk> right
[05:41] <godbyk> I like the new icon.
[05:42] <jaminday> same
[05:42] <godbyk> just not sure what its official name is. :)
[05:42] <donri> It's the same icon as most computers have on their power switches, yea?
[05:43] <godbyk> yep
[05:44] <donri> So maybe call it something like that, "power switch button" and specify its location, "top right corner".
[05:44] <godbyk> just call it the power button may be confusing the icon with the physical power switch, though.
[05:44] <godbyk> (though pushing the power switch should be fine, too.)
[05:44] <jaminday> This is what it says currently
[05:44] <jaminday> When you are finished exploring, restart your computer by clicking the ``Power'' button in the top right corner of your screen (circle with a line through the top) and then select Restart
[05:45] <donri> Screenshot with an arrow pointing at it? :)
[05:46] <donri> But can't really get more specific than "top right corner".
[05:46] <jaminday> yeah that's right
[05:46] <donri> There's nothing that is more to the top right than that button.
[05:46] <jaminday> godbyk suggested just a small image of the icon in-text might be the go as well
[05:47] <jaminday> to replace the (circle with line through the top) bit
[05:48] <donri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol#Definitions
[05:49] <godbyk> is it the top right corner for RTL languages?
[05:49] <donri> My laptop uses the standby symbol on the on-off switch. Now I'm gonna have OCD itches about that. :(
[05:49] <jaminday> hehe
[05:50] <jaminday> I think it's used a lot now for on-off rather than standby
[05:51] <jaminday> godbyk: thats a good question
[06:54] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[06:55] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: morning.
[07:09] <ubuntujenkins> well if humphreybc wants the wubi in different language we need someone with windows 7 ultimate and they only support 35 languages
[07:14] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-is-awesome.html
[07:16] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: screenshots left http://paste.ubuntu.com/400996/ can we scrap the last two?
[07:17] <ubuntujenkins> the last one is a maybe i think
[07:17] <humphreybc> the GRUB screen would be good
[07:17] <humphreybc> we can scrap the second to last one, number 9
[07:17] <ubuntujenkins> does grub show it in different langauges?
[07:18] <ubuntujenkins> good number 9 gone
[07:18] <humphreybc> I tried to get a shot of Rhythmbox but my Lucid install wasn't letting my create a new user and then Rbox wouldn't recognize my CD drive and uh
[07:18] <humphreybc> oh good point, not sure
[07:18] <humphreybc> maybe scrap GRUB one as well
[07:18] <ubuntujenkins> if it only dies english then it might be easyier as we can include it in all of the manuals
[07:18] <ubuntujenkins> *does
[07:19] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks for trying i will try and get a cd from some one.
[07:19] <ubuntujenkins> if you want the wubi in different language we need someone with windows 7 ultimate and they only support 35 languages
[07:19] <ubuntujenkins> I can get the english one now i have found a wubi that works
[07:19] <humphreybc> we only need wubi in english
[07:20] <humphreybc> not going to bother getting that in multiple languages
[07:20] <ubuntujenkins> will it go in all languages still?
[07:20] <humphreybc> y4ep
[07:20] <ubuntujenkins> right I wil do that one today
[07:20] <humphreybc> awesome
[07:20] <humphreybc> the shots are looking great in the manual :)
[07:21] <ubuntujenkins> I know I just have the hard ones left
[07:21] <humphreybc> lol
[07:21] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: how's quickshot going? when can we test it?
[07:21] <ubuntujenkins> are there any others that you think we don't need?
[07:21] <ubuntujenkins> total is now 53
[07:22] <humphreybc> what's number 6?
[07:22] <ubuntujenkins> creating a day event in evolution
[07:22] <humphreybc> "visual example of adding an event in the day view by typing"
[07:22] <humphreybc> hm
[07:22] <humphreybc> the description needs to specify that it's actually in evolution
[07:23] <ubuntujenkins> It will do, number 5 is questionable as we need to give people an e-mail address to enter
[07:23] <humphreybc> true
[07:23] <humphreybc> scrap that then
[07:23] <ubuntujenkins> wooo!
[07:23] <humphreybc> the messaging menu isn't fundamental
[07:24] <godbyk> you won't get IMs if you don't know how to handle the messaging menu, though, right?
[07:24] <humphreybc> you don't need to do anything with the messaging menu
[07:24] <humphreybc> it works with empathy by default
[07:24] <humphreybc> plus i think empathy uses the notification system
[07:24] <humphreybc> as well
[07:26] <ubuntujenkins> how do you change the language in the log in screen?
[07:26] <humphreybc> no idea
[07:26]  * humphreybc has only ever needed to use english ubuntu
[07:27] <ubuntujenkins> I can get away with one screenshot for the whole manaul if i take it before selecting a user, owever it will have "thur" in the bottom right
[07:27] <ubuntujenkins> as in thusday
[07:27] <humphreybc> that's not the end of the world
[07:28] <ubuntujenkins> good, virtual box isn't playing ball so doing only one makes it easyier
[07:28] <humphreybc> kk
[07:50] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/original-thriller.mp3
[07:50] <humphreybc> An avant garde tune I wrote for a couple of cellos, a viola and a violin in high school
[07:50] <humphreybc> first time i've listened to it again in like 2 years, i think it sounds pretty neat!
[07:51] <humphreybc> I especially love the part at 2:26, i remember i thought it was gold when I wrote it
[08:10] <humphreybc> oh yeah, ubuntujenkins
[08:10] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-installation-slideshow.html
[08:26] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I will redo it later
[08:26] <humphreybc> kk neat
[08:27] <ubuntujenkins> I thought there was a new one
[08:27] <humphreybc> should hit Lucid sometime next week
[08:28] <ubuntujenkins> ok I wil keep checking
[08:34]  * humphreybc is fixing up the blueprints
[08:36] <ubuntujenkins> lol my mate whilst drunk changed his computer password and now he can't think of it :-P
[08:37] <humphreybc> lol
[08:37] <humphreybc> that's a dumb thing to do
[08:38] <ubuntujenkins> Its so funny he is the peson who has windows 7 and is providing screenshots
[08:38] <humphreybc> haha
[08:40] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: have we any idea if the default theme is going toi
[08:40] <ubuntujenkins> change?
[08:40] <humphreybc> will find out next week, Ivanka is just double checking with Mark
[08:41] <ubuntujenkins> I hoep not so i con't have to do the screenshot again but I think white is the better default
[08:42] <humphreybc> lol
[08:42] <humphreybc> Ivanka is pushing for the dark one
[08:42] <humphreybc> So it will probably stay as it is at the moment
[08:42] <humphreybc> but i'm honestly not sure
[08:42] <ubuntujenkins> yey
[08:44] <humphreybc> let's see if we can get all the bugs fixed in time for beta, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+milestone/beta-release
[09:06] <godbyk> yikes!
[09:06] <godbyk> flood me with bug emails, why doncha! :)
[09:07] <humphreybc> hehehehe
[09:07]  * humphreybc gets another few thousand karma
[09:39] <humphreybc> where are those mugshots everyone!?
[09:40] <godbyk> what kind of mugshot are you wanting?
[09:40] <humphreybc> one where you're happy to be working on UMP
[09:40] <humphreybc> grinning, even
[09:40] <godbyk> I don't smile.
[09:40] <godbyk> Ever.
[09:40] <godbyk> :)
[09:41] <humphreybc> well now you have to
[09:45] <humphreybc> just pull a silly face, if you must
[10:04] <humphreybc> come on jaminday, cjohnston, godbyk, TommyBrunn, Red_HamsterX, vish I need mugshots!
[10:05] <godbyk> Heh.. it's 5 a.m. here. You'll have to wait 'til I've had my beauty sleep!
[10:05] <humphreybc> okay okay
[10:11] <humphreybc> haha
[10:11] <humphreybc> we had two people deactivate their membership in the team after that large amount of spam
[10:14] <godbyk> nice
[10:15] <nvsbl> to anyone who has contributed to the ubuntu manual project: thank you. this is exactly what i needed to help convert my nigh-computer-illiterate friends into ubuntu users
[10:15] <humphreybc> :)
[10:16] <TommyBrunn> humphreybc: What do you need the mugshots for?
[10:16] <humphreybc> TommyBrunn: it's a surprise
[10:16] <TommyBrunn> How exciting. :P
[10:16] <humphreybc> I know!
[10:16] <humphreybc> I need to collect as many as I can
[10:16] <humphreybc> so email me yours asap
[10:17] <TommyBrunn> Alright. I'm not exactly my most charming self at the moment (I've managed to get sick again), but I'll see what I can do.
[10:17] <humphreybc> okay
[10:17] <humphreybc> any photo of you smiling that's at least 800 x 600 is good
[10:19] <TommyBrunn> Mmm, I've managed to get a blister the size of a kiwi bird on my lower lip, so I'll be sure to show that off.
[10:20] <humphreybc> lol, don't you have any photos of you already lying around?
[10:20] <humphreybc> on facebook or something?
[10:20] <TommyBrunn> Not on facebook, I don't think, but I'll see what I can find.
[10:20] <humphreybc> ok
[10:23] <humphreybc> godbyk, you wanna run the build script again and update the draft?
[10:24] <godbyk> I s'pose
[10:24] <humphreybc> :)
[10:42]  * humphreybc didn't know that Google used Ubuntu so extensively
[10:53] <humphreybc> who made the awesome progress bar on the website?
[10:54] <godbyk> no clue. I just assumed it was you.
[10:54] <humphreybc> must have been daker
[10:56] <TommyBrunn> Speaking of which, does anyone know why the countdown timer is so freaking slow all of a sudden?
[10:56] <TommyBrunn> It takes like 5 seconds for it to even start on my machine.
[10:56] <humphreybc> slow?
[10:56] <humphreybc> oh right
[10:56] <humphreybc> yeah same here
[10:59] <TommyBrunn> Oh, I think I know.
[10:59] <TommyBrunn> I would guess that it's because Google Analytics is a slow beast, and the countdown timer doesn't start until the page is fully loaded.
[11:01] <godbyk> new builds up: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[11:01] <godbyk> draft is being pushed as we speak.
[11:02] <TommyBrunn> Wow, 100% of the Bengali edition seems to be translated. When did that happen?
[11:02] <godbyk> plus, the countdown timer's javascript is in-line, not loaded during the header.
[11:03] <godbyk> it's not. it's a bad po file, I think
[11:03] <godbyk> in any case, postats fails when dealing with it.
[11:06] <humphreybc> Italian?
[11:06] <godbyk> same.
[11:06] <TommyBrunn> The italian one seems a bit off as well. It's listed as 100%, but I'm reading it now, and only some parts of it are in italian
[11:06] <TommyBrunn> Oh, I see.
[11:06] <humphreybc> awh
[11:06] <godbyk> $ postats po/it.po
[11:06] <godbyk> Error: "potool po/it.po -ft -s" failed
[11:06]  * humphreybc cannot wait to see a fully translated manual
[11:07] <godbyk> Spanish is getting there.
[11:08]  * ubuntujenkins curses all the bug mail from humphreybc
[11:08] <humphreybc> hehehe
[11:09] <TommyBrunn> I'm a bit surprised at how little of the text has been translated. Generally, software projects (especially those hosted on Launchpad) are translated very quickly without ever even asking for help in the first place. But I guess it's a lot harder to translate 150-some pages of text than it is to translate 50 words to be used in some application.
[11:09] <humphreybc> especially when those 160+ pages are ever changing
[11:09] <TommyBrunn> True.
[11:09] <humphreybc> I think we'll see the pace pick up after the writing freeze
[11:09] <humphreybc> I'm planning on doing a big push/campaign to get translators moving
[11:11] <humphreybc> godbyk: https://help.launchpad.net/API
[11:11] <fenre> Yup, I'm not starting before the text stops changing :P
[11:12] <humphreybc> fenre: awesome. don't forget to send me your mugshot too
[11:12] <humphreybc> godbyk, we'll have to set up our form with the API at some point. We can get Tim to help us/ask him questions if need be
[11:13] <fenre> sure
[11:13] <godbyk> if they expose the parts we need to access.
[11:13] <humphreybc> okay, i'll talk to thumper about it tomorrow
[11:14] <humphreybc> godbyk https://dev.launchpad.net/API/ImplementingAPIs
[11:15] <ubuntujenkins> where can i get music that i can legaly burn on to a cd?
[11:15] <humphreybc> the Jamendo store?
[11:16] <humphreybc> I can have another go at taking the screenshot if you want
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> I am pssibly going home at the weekend so if that one can wait
[11:16] <humphreybc> I'll try taking it for you now
[11:16] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[11:16] <humphreybc> well, in a sec
[11:16] <humphreybc> ill just change my account theme and stuff
[11:16] <humphreybc> it won't have the panels in it, will it?
[11:16] <humphreybc> it won't be maximised
[11:17] <ubuntujenkins> nope just the window maximized when the destop is a t 1024x768
[11:17] <humphreybc> my panels aren't default though
[11:17] <humphreybc> or should I crop the panels out
[11:17] <humphreybc> is that what you mean?
[11:18] <ubuntujenkins> no when you go aplications > accessories > take screenshot choose "grab the current window" and un tick "include pointer"
[11:18] <humphreybc> okay
[11:19]  * humphreybc has to change his window controls back
[11:19] <humphreybc> what were they? maximize:minimize:close
[11:19] <humphreybc> right?
[11:19] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[11:24] <humphreybc> okay taken them
[11:25] <humphreybc> god the default theme is AWFUL
[11:25] <ubuntujenkins> I like it best default theme yet
[11:25] <humphreybc> the "take screenshot of current window" thing didn't work with the window borders
[11:25] <humphreybc> it didn't take the window borders
[11:26] <humphreybc> so i just took the whole thing, and i have to crop out the panel. so it will be 24px less than 1024 high
[11:26] <ubuntujenkins> in that user go system > preference aperences and turn off effects
[11:26] <humphreybc> ah okay
[11:27] <humphreybc> any more you want me to take since i've got the default theme set up?
[11:27] <ubuntujenkins> no thats fine those were the ones i could do
[11:27] <humphreybc> I can take some more if you want
[11:27] <humphreybc> assistive technologies?
[11:27] <ubuntujenkins> done
[11:28] <ubuntujenkins> I only have 5 to do
[11:28] <humphreybc> okay then
[11:28] <ubuntujenkins> Thanks
[11:29] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/rbox.tar.gz
[11:29] <humphreybc> I took two, one with the default and the other with the CD tracklist visible
[11:29] <nisshh> hey dudes
[11:29] <nisshh> hows it coming along
[11:30] <humphreybc> hi nisshh
[11:30] <humphreybc> you have lots of work to do! :)
[11:30] <nisshh> i know
[11:30] <nisshh> only just got home
[11:30] <humphreybc> kk
[11:30] <ubuntujenkins> thats good thanks humphreybc
[11:30]  * TommyBrunn is taking a mugshot.
[11:30] <nisshh> im going to be sorting out my music collection and adding stuff to glossary tonight
[11:31] <TommyBrunn> It just occurred to me that I look a lot like a drunk emo Peter Parker.
[11:31] <humphreybc> hey cool, the title page for the spanish one is translated
[11:31] <humphreybc> lol
[11:31] <humphreybc> nisshh: sweet
[11:31] <humphreybc> we need at least two pages of glossary entries to make it worthwhile
[11:31] <nisshh> ok
[11:31] <nisshh> have to work hard then lol
[11:31] <humphreybc> you do :)
[11:31] <humphreybc> you've got six days
[11:33] <nisshh> cool
[11:33] <nisshh> hey, i just noticed ilya hasnt been around for a while
[11:33] <ubuntujenkins> I was thinking that
[11:33] <nisshh> havent heard anything
[11:33] <humphreybc> yeah, he's probably hiding haha
[11:33] <nisshh> meh
[11:34] <ubuntujenkins> does image bin work for anyone?
[11:34] <humphreybc> nisshh: I need your mugshot too
[11:34] <nisshh> humphreybc: saw your blog post of the printed manual, looks really nice
[11:34] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: no
[11:34] <nisshh> yea, im getting my sister to take it it in a minute
[11:35] <humphreybc> cool
[11:35] <ubuntujenkins> glad its not just me any where else i can post something?
[11:36] <humphreybc> um
[11:36] <humphreybc> try this http://www.imagesocket.com/!
[11:36] <humphreybc> without the !
[11:36] <humphreybc> http://www.imagesocket.com
[11:37] <humphreybc> OMG EW
[11:37] <humphreybc> i just clicked "Random"
[11:37] <humphreybc> got this
[11:37] <humphreybc> http://www.imagesocket.com/view/1DSC06046fe6.jpg
[11:37] <humphreybc> BIG mistake
[11:37] <TommyBrunn> AHHH
[11:37] <TommyBrunn> My eyes!
[11:37] <humphreybc> this one's nice
[11:37] <humphreybc> http://www.imagesocket.com/view/Hour_Glass_500x50037a.jpg
[11:37] <TommyBrunn> What is this I don't even
[11:37] <nisshh> humphreybc:does the mugshot need to be super high quality?
[11:37] <TommyBrunn> That was the remedy my eyes so needed.
[11:37] <humphreybc> nisshh, bigger than 800 x 600 is good
[11:37] <TommyBrunn> Freaking great. Now my memory card isn't being detected, for some reason
[11:38] <humphreybc> so many pics of girls on that site
[11:38] <godbyk> I'm off to bed.  See you guys later.
[11:38] <humphreybc> ugly and nice
[11:38] <ubuntujenkins> ninght godbyk
[11:38] <nisshh> cya
[11:38] <humphreybc> godbyk chow!
[11:38] <TommyBrunn> Screw this turdbuntu, I'm going back to Windows! :@ :'(
[11:38] <humphreybc> hahaha
[11:38] <nisshh> hehe
[11:38] <ubuntujenkins> ok guys have a close look does this look wrong? http://www.imagesocket.com/view/01_ubuntu_login7fd.png
[11:38] <humphreybc> clicking random is actually quite entertaining, provided you don't come across something shit
[11:39] <humphreybc> it's like 4chan, but faster
[11:39] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: no
[11:39] <nisshh> hehe
[11:39] <TommyBrunn> I'm going to try the old windows trick and see if a reboot has any effect.
[11:39] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh:  good I may have faked it.
[11:40] <nisshh> hehe
[11:40] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: they're going to be changing some stuff in the login screen soon
[11:40] <humphreybc> how'd you fake it?
[11:40] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: aaaaarrrrrrrrhhhh
[11:40] <humphreybc> you know how the logo and icons are really white at the moment and hardly visible?
[11:40] <humphreybc> they'll be changed to a darker colour at some point
[11:40] <ubuntujenkins> well got the backround and did a screenshot of virtual machine at the wrong res and made it look good in the right res
[11:41] <humphreybc> ah ha
[11:41] <ubuntujenkins> I noticed but I would like to point out the ui freeze
[11:41] <humphreybc> Canonical doesn't adhere to UI freezes
[11:41] <humphreybc> remember?
[11:41] <ubuntujenkins> It's very anoying
[11:43] <humphreybc> right, i'm going to get some snacks and then watch a movie
[11:43] <humphreybc> night all!
[11:43] <ubuntujenkins> night
[11:44] <humphreybc> keep workin' !
[11:44] <ubuntujenkins> don't worry faking grub now
[11:44] <humphreybc> hahaha
[11:44] <humphreybc> TommyBrunn, nisshh, email your mugshots to me
[11:44] <ubuntujenkins> virtualbox doen't know what 1024x768 is its more like 1024 x 1920
[11:45] <humphreybc> hahaha
[11:49] <TommyBrunn> humphreybc: Sent it
[11:51] <humphreybc> aww you need to smile more!
[11:52] <nisshh> humphreybc:sending it now
[11:53] <TommyBrunn> If you're making a collage with the subtitle: "The smiles of Ubuntu", you're going to give me diabetes.
[11:53] <humphreybc> hahaha not quite
[11:54] <nisshh> darn, none of us will ever quess
[11:54] <nisshh> guess
[11:54] <humphreybc> lol
[11:54] <humphreybc> you'll just have to wait
[11:54] <humphreybc> it's really cool though
[11:55] <nisshh> so you will show us at the end of april?
[11:56] <nisshh> and i just sent my mugshot off to your gmail
[11:58] <ubuntujenkins> woo grub is done http://www.imagesocket.com/view/08_grub_boot_screenf2b.png
[11:59] <TommyBrunn> Ooohh, today is waffel day here in Sweden. I need to get myself a waffel iron.
[11:59] <TommyBrunn> ubuntujenkins is that the official grub in 10.04?
[11:59] <ubuntujenkins> that is grub uptodat at the moment
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> if they change it it better be easy to fake
[12:00] <TommyBrunn> I wonder why they don't do something with grub. It seems every other distro is, so why not Ubuntu?
[12:01] <ubuntujenkins> check out burg that is really good
[12:01] <TommyBrunn> I've seen it, I just don't really feel like messing up grub. I've already done that too many times.
[12:03] <ubuntujenkins> I keep doing clean installs to get screenshots so I haven't bothered
[12:05] <ubuntujenkins> TommyBrunn: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=121105
[12:08] <jaminday> humphreybc: just saw your post on the tamil translation team
[12:11] <ubuntujenkins> well lets see if i have broken grub ;-) i may or may not be back
[12:19] <ubuntujenkins> it worked and nvida boot splash is looking good
[12:42] <ubuntujenkins> mattgriffin, have you decided on the screenshots for ubuntu one yet? I only have 3 left to take to complete them all
[12:43] <mattgriffin> ubuntujenkins: not yet. i should know in a few hours
[12:43] <mattgriffin> i'll ping you when i have the list
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> thanks, was about to say that
[12:43] <mattgriffin> :)
[13:04] <nisshh> just pushed initial work on the prologue to lp
[13:04] <nisshh> more coming later
[13:04] <nisshh> oops
[13:05] <nisshh> i meant glossary
[13:05] <nisshh> also if anyone has any suggestions for glossary items, please say so
[13:14] <donri> Will the screenshots look this pixely in print/final PDF?
[13:18] <donri> Oh, probably just evince sucking at scaling images.
[13:19] <ubuntujenkins> donri: it is evince being sucky
[13:20] <donri> Sad, as most people will be reading in evince.
[13:21] <donri> I wonder what it uses to display images, and if it could be patched to use whatever eog uses (which scales much better).
[13:23] <ubuntujenkins> i have no clue i am afraid
[13:23] <ubuntujenkins> does any one have access to windows 7?
[13:28] <ubuntujenkins> are the wubi only works in vista compatible mode
[13:32] <nisshh> our college computers run win7
[13:36] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for the offer nisshh but I have now got it sorted.
[13:36] <ubuntujenkins> 7 doesn't like the wubi you haev to tell it to run it as vista
[13:39] <artnay> how do I find which translations have errors? I'm looking at the build log at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ - what should I look for?
[13:40] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: look at the errors colum it tells you how many errors which one are you after?
[13:41] <artnay> yeah, there's like 24 out of 300 now. but which ones cause those errors? I'm looking at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-fi.log and there's no mention of "error"
[13:42] <artnay> any way to track down those 24? ctrl+f and ...
[13:42] <jaminday> nisshh: ping
[13:43] <ubuntujenkins> there is no way of tracking it down easily you will have to ask godyk when he wakes up
[13:44] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: you know that you can still see the pdf even if there are errors it many not be complete thought
[13:44] <artnay> I think it's those compound words (in Finnish) which are related to those words that have (LaTeX?) syntax
[13:44] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: true, I already checked that one
[13:45] <ubuntujenkins> I have a feeling they will be laytex errors
[13:46] <artnay> same, but not knowing which translations have errors will cause a lot more problems if we continue translating
[13:46] <artnay> have to investigate the syntax a bit to complete this task...
[13:47] <ubuntujenkins> have you seen the notes for translators?
[13:47] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: sure I have
[13:48] <ubuntujenkins> ok then amke sure you haven't tranlated stuff that you shouldn't have, I have to run to alecture but I will try and do a build of it when i get back and see what errors i find
[13:49] <artnay> but, umh, here's an example. so we have "company named \gls{Canonical}" in the english sentence. but in Finnish (and many more langues) that translates to "\gls{Canonical}-niminen yritys"
[13:49] <artnay> does the dash break the syntax?
[13:50] <artnay> so we now have compund word that should have a dash just next to the text "Canonical"
[13:50] <ubuntujenkins> I have no clue i am afraid I will look when i get back sorry go to go
[13:50] <ubuntujenkins> *got
[13:56] <artnay> I see only warnings in the log, not actual errors. anyways, I'm too tired atm to inspect this any further. please highlight my nick if you reply, thanks.
[13:59] <nisshh> jaminday: yes, sorry i was busy
[14:00] <nisshh> jaminday: what did you ping me for?
[14:04] <nisshh> artnay: the dash should not break the syntax unless the word niminen forms part of the word Canonical in your language
[14:05] <nisshh> if need be i can move that latex code somewhere else
[14:06] <artnay> nisshh: it does form a compound word
[14:06] <nisshh> so your saying that to say the word canonical in your language you need to say "canonical-niminen"?
[14:07] <artnay> unless we want to rephrase the whole sentence (which probably would make the whole sentence a bit complicated)
[14:07] <nisshh> sorry, if it takes me a little while to grasp what your trying to say, i am an english only speaker
[14:09] <artnay> so basically yeah, there are a lot of situations where you have to combine the original word and the finnish word with a dash
[14:09] <artnay> GNOME desktop environment would be GNOME-työpöytäympäristö
[14:09] <nisshh> right
[14:09] <artnay> so I think the dash breaks the syntax. is there and escape charater?
[14:10] <nisshh> have you run make and looked at the manual?
[14:10] <artnay> sorry, lots of typos here (won't be in the final draft of manual!)
[14:11] <nisshh> it shouldnt break the syntax from what i understand
[14:12] <nisshh> but basically, whatever phrase in finnish makes up the word canonical should be inside those curly braces.
[14:12] <nisshh> everything else should be outside them'
[14:12] <artnay> nisshh: 1. haven't run any make for this 2. I've been looking for answers at wiki & ML
[14:13] <nisshh> ok i will try this out, what is the code for finnish e.g. UK is united kingdom
[14:13] <artnay> fi
[14:13] <nisshh> ok give me 2 minutes
[14:14] <nisshh> running make now
[14:14] <artnay> nisshh: I could figure out those problems if only I saw the actual error lines
[14:17] <nisshh> hmm ok, well where you have translated the terminal commands, they seem to have broken, they come up with wornings during compilation
[14:17] <nisshh> warnings i mean
[14:17] <artnay> there's a's and o's with dots
[14:17] <nisshh> yes
[14:17] <artnay> like account = käyttäjänimi
[14:18] <nisshh> right ok
[14:21] <nisshh> hmmm, well since i cant read finnish i cant tell if the syntax is actually broken
[14:21] <nisshh> your going to have to check for me
[14:21] <nisshh> ill guide you through compiling the manual and you can see the errors and check the pdf for breakage ok?
[14:22] <artnay> nisshh: well enough
[14:22] <nisshh> ok so have you got the latest revision of ubuntu-manual from launchpad
[14:23] <artnay> nisshh: main.pdf?
[14:23] <nisshh> oh, have you compiled it?
[14:24] <artnay> no I haven't. so where do I get the source?
[14:24] <nisshh> oh did you download the pdf from our website?
[14:25] <artnay> nisshh: from here http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ and now I'm browsing https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main
[14:25] <artnay> so there's a makefile, right.
[14:25] <nisshh> right, ok do you have bazaar installed?
[14:25] <artnay> sorry, nope.
[14:25] <nisshh> yes theres a makefile
[14:26] <nisshh> ok your running ubuntu though?
[14:26] <artnay> debian but I have lucid in virtualbox
[14:26] <nisshh> ok can you install the bzr package in lucid please, i assume you know how to install stuff?
[14:27] <artnay> nisshh: sure, it's warming up ;)
[14:27] <nisshh> ok cool
[14:27] <nisshh> once thats installed go to an empty directory somewhere in your home directory
[14:27] <nisshh> doesnt  matter where
[14:28] <nisshh> you with me still?
[14:28] <artnay> nisshh: I'm here with fsck, will take some time before lucid is up
[14:29] <nisshh> oh ok, so your translating from debian?
[14:29] <artnay> nisshh: using launchpad, yeah. I'm at work now, no Ubuntu here.
[14:30] <nisshh> ok well i do believe you can get bzr in debian
[14:30] <nisshh> if thats any easier for you
[14:30] <artnay> well bzr is now installed in lucid
[14:30] <nisshh> ok good
[14:30] <nisshh> so now open a terminal
[14:30] <artnay> and now I should fetch those files with bzr, hmh?
[14:31] <nisshh> yea , but bzr will put the files in your current directory
[14:31] <nisshh> so you should make a temporary one
[14:31] <artnay> yes, I'm in an empty dir atm
[14:31] <nisshh> ok cool
[14:31] <nisshh> so now run: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual
[14:32] <nisshh> and it should fetch all the files for you
[14:32] <artnay> 750KB/s
[14:32] <nisshh> oooh nice net connection
[14:32] <nisshh> way faster than mine
[14:33] <nisshh> which is 160KB/s
[14:33] <artnay> shouldn't take long, 1.2MB/s currently
[14:33] <artnay> 70 MB fetched
[14:33] <nisshh> ok
[14:34] <nisshh> i think its about 130mb
[14:34] <nisshh> maybe more
[14:34] <nisshh> lol
[14:34] <artnay> done, 585 revisions
[14:35] <nisshh> ok cool
[14:35] <nisshh> so now go into the newly created ubuntu-manual directory
[14:35] <artnay> pwd ... /home/ubuntu/bzr/ubuntu-manual
[14:35] <artnay> yep
[14:35] <nisshh> cool
[14:35] <nisshh> and run: make ubuntu-manual-fi.pdf
[14:36] <nisshh> this will compile a pdf in your language
[14:36] <nisshh> it does take a little while though
[14:38] <artnay> my vb-lucid was missing po4a, now it's installed. now it can't exec "kpsewhich", /usr/share/perl5/Locale/Po4a/TeX.pm
[14:38] <artnay> so, umh, some TeX magic missing?
[14:39] <nisshh> oh no, darn it i forgot
[14:39] <nisshh> you need texlive installed
[14:39] <artnay> uh, 229 MB to fetch. ~40 secs
[14:40] <nisshh> what is it fetching?
[14:40] <artnay> 4 MB/s from the main repos, way better than the country mirror
[14:40] <artnay> texlive
[14:40] <nisshh> ok, so your installing texlive?
[14:40] <nisshh> make sure its texlive 2009
[14:41] <jaminday> nisshh: sorry was trying to fix some bzr issues
[14:41] <nisshh> jaminday: yea sorry my commit and someone elses diverged
[14:41] <jaminday> yeah that's ok i think it was me!
[14:42] <nisshh> hehe
[14:42] <jaminday> think i got it sorted thought
[14:42] <nisshh> so do i
[14:42] <nisshh> there were 2 conflicts
[14:42] <jaminday> yep thats right
[14:42] <jaminday> scariest moment of my life
[14:43] <nisshh> hehe
[14:43] <nisshh> artnay: hows it coming along?
[14:43] <artnay> nisshh: so if someone else is up to the same task, the default installation needs po4a and texlive before you can even try to make
[14:43] <nisshh> yes we have a script for that
[14:43] <nisshh> i completely forgot
[14:43] <artnay> now the make fails, po4a::tex: Can't read from file without having a filename at /usr/bin/po4a-translaite line 229
[14:44] <nisshh> its in the branch you downloaded under pkgs/install-pkgs.sh
[14:44] <nisshh> it will install everything you need
[14:44] <jaminday> anyway i'm heading to bed, but nisshh was just gonna let you know that i changed a few bugs in the spreadsheet to your name as they were regarding the glossary
[14:44] <nisshh> ok thanks
[14:44] <nisshh> if they were from godbyk i already saw them
[14:45] <jaminday> ah ok, don't worry then
[14:45] <nisshh> unless hes submitted more
[14:45] <jaminday> wasn't sure if you had or not
[14:45] <nisshh> yea thanks
[14:45] <jaminday> no i don't think so, probably the ones you saw
[14:45] <artnay> nisshh: so I tried "sh install-pkgs.sh", it told me No version of TeX Live was detected.
[14:45] <jaminday> anyway, i'll be back tomorrow for some more bug-fixing fun!
[14:45] <jaminday> night all
[14:45] <nisshh> night
[14:45] <artnay> apt-cache show texlive says it's 2009-7
[14:46] <artnay> and yeah, it's installed.
[14:46] <nisshh> ok, there is a downloadable script that installs texlive 2009 for you
[14:46] <nisshh> follow these instructions:
[14:47] <artnay> sh install-pkgs.sh --> Checking TeX Live version...Status: install ok installed -ne E[33m
[14:47] <nisshh> oh, the script works now?
[14:47] <artnay> nope, that's the error msg
[14:48] <nisshh> oh ok here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors
[14:48] <artnay> then it gives me a link to wiki
[14:48] <nisshh> at the bottom of tha page
[14:48] <nisshh> there are instructions on how to install texlive 2009
[14:48] <nisshh> but there is one thing missing
[14:48] <nisshh> make sure you enable create symlinks in the texlive install script
[14:49] <artnay> I do need the build-essential for that, right?
[14:49] <nisshh> yes
[14:49] <artnay> uh... my wife is waiting at me ;)
[14:49] <nisshh> just install build-essential and then run the script
[14:49] <artnay> for me even
[14:49] <nisshh> hehe
[14:49] <nisshh> if you have to go dont worry
[14:49] <artnay> umh, can we continue this tomorrow or some other day?
[14:49] <nisshh> sure
[14:50] <nisshh> i need some sleep anyway lol
[14:50] <artnay> I would like to learn the procedure and then help with the translations
[14:50] <nisshh> cool just jump in here tommorrow and someone will be here
[14:50] <artnay> and I need to learn more that TeX syntax
[14:50] <artnay> ok, thanks and sleep well!
[14:50] <nisshh> cheers!
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: I am back sorry I had to go in arush how is it going?
[15:02] <ubuntujenkins> *rush
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: after thinking about it i think you should leave \gls{Canonical}-niminen yritys as that, laytext is only effected by the stuff in the {}
[15:12] <ubuntujenkins> the rest appears as it is
[15:18] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: I can now build you manual with no errors that stop it being built it was the same thing through out
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> as for the Canonical thing if the way you pronounce it is Canonical-niminen then it should be how nisshh said
[15:40]  * ubuntujenkins I suppose i better do some revision ping me if you want help
[15:54] <Red_HamsterX> Anyone know when titeuf usually gets on?
[15:55] <ubuntujenkins> he hasn't been on for a day our two but he is utc+1 so about 3 hours ish would be my guess
[15:55] <ubuntujenkins> at least i think he is utc+1
[15:56] <Red_HamsterX> Sounds about right.
[15:56] <Red_HamsterX> I'm not sure how much more I reallyneed to do with the backend, so I'd like to start making sure the frontend works.
[15:56] <Red_HamsterX> I really need*
[15:57] <ubuntujenkins> that would be good, I have only 1 screenshot left to take and the ubuntu one one's
[15:58] <Red_HamsterX> And then we need to decide whether we want to pull them from the server on demand as lower-quality JPEGs (to make Quickshot's package smaller and to decouple data from implementation) or push them out with the client for speed, only pulling anything added after the freeze from the server.
[16:00] <ubuntujenkins> the largest one is 406.8KB total 3mb
[16:00] <ubuntujenkins> I think pull them from the server
[16:01] <Red_HamsterX> I think so, too. It'll make changing thing on the fly a lot easier, and we've already developed and implemented the functions to make it work.
[16:01] <ubuntujenkins> means the program is future proof, for the next release if someone were to try and use an older version of quickshot
[16:01] <Red_HamsterX> Well, the next version will work differently... I'd say it means the design is future-proof.
[16:02] <Red_HamsterX> Just not this implementation.
[16:02] <Red_HamsterX> Since it's very much just a "get stuff working" structure right now.
[16:02] <ubuntujenkins> true it just means that people can't aciedently take older screenshots
[16:02] <Red_HamsterX> It needs a good refactoring cycle before we can be sure we're building it right.
[16:03] <ubuntujenkins> we need to get testing it
[16:04] <ubuntujenkins> 7 days untill release
[16:05] <ubuntujenkins> we need to add the files to the sever for each screenshot that tell it what program to launch etc.
[16:11] <Red_HamsterX> That's part of the dictionary structure.
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> I'll be working on that as soon as we've got proof that the client pulls data properly
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> It's already defined and tested.
[16:12] <ubuntujenkins> is it all one file? I looked at the one in the branch
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> It just hasn't been integrated into the user's flow.
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, just one.
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> Entries are delimited by -<name>- lines.
[16:13] <Red_HamsterX> To allow for ordering in the event that you want to drop the number prefixes from the filenames.
[16:13] <Red_HamsterX> That file is considered authoritative for everything.
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> thats where the screenshot description goes as well
[16:14] <Red_HamsterX> Yep.
[16:14] <Red_HamsterX> And the steps and the sub-rect data and anything else we may need to add as we go along.
[16:14] <ubuntujenkins> I can help create that if you like, once we know it works
[16:14] <Red_HamsterX> Any unknown fields are just treated as free-form text.
[16:14] <Red_HamsterX> It works. It just needs to be integrated with the workflow.
[16:15] <Red_HamsterX> I can quickly populate it with dummy data for each screenshot we have to take.
[16:15] <Red_HamsterX> It can be updated in real time, since the client will have to query each individual entry before taking a screenshot.
[16:16] <Red_HamsterX> So once the skeleton is done, we can just keep adjusting it until everything looks right.
[16:19] <ubuntujenkins> I have jsut pushed the latest screenshots they are in /images/screenshots-samples
[16:20] <ubuntujenkins> we are going to have 43-48 to do some of the other screenshots will be the same in all languages, ie grub, wubi, help icon, netwrok icon, window buttons.
[16:29] <Red_HamsterX> ?
[16:30] <Red_HamsterX> Why not create a 'common' language branch outside of the coded ones for things like that?
[16:30] <Red_HamsterX> Then just update the pull/compile scripts to draw from that location, too.
[16:31] <ubuntujenkins> I hadn't considered how i was going to do that, but Iw ill make that branch now
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> Only the screenshots we haev to do are in the quickshot branch
[17:29] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87 and Red_HamsterX in the manual at the end there is a list of people who have contributed, what are you names as you would like them to appear ?
[17:30] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, sure, it's Simon Vermeersch.
[17:31] <ubuntujenkins> thanks I will add you when i next do a push
[17:31] <ubuntujenkins> good day titeuf_87 ?
[17:31] <titeuf_87> just got home from work and have some time now, so yeah :)
[17:32] <titeuf_87> looking over at the changes made in quickshot, you only took the screenshots but haven't yet added any extra information right?
[17:33] <ubuntujenkins> yep, Neil said he will add the info, the screenshots are going to be pulled from the server as an when needed, that way we can change them at the last minute if needed
[17:35] <titeuf_87> And those that you included are definitive?
[17:36] <Red_HamsterX> Neil Tallim works for me.
[17:37] <Red_HamsterX> Anything you want me to look into on the GUI side, titeuf?
[17:37] <ubuntujenkins> yes as far as i know I haven't ahd any writers moaning that i have got them wrong 01-first-slide will look different but will still be of that screen
[17:37] <ubuntujenkins> thanks Red_Hamster
[17:38] <titeuf_87> Red_HamsterX, I'm going to add the detection of the used language now, then the descriptions of the screenshots before taking them
[17:38] <titeuf_87> Hmm, not sure what else needs to be done on the GUI side except for polishing it then.
[17:39] <ubuntujenkins> wow i didn't know we were that close.
[17:39] <Red_HamsterX> So we just tell it what server to use (probably some sort of global constant) and go?
[17:39] <Red_HamsterX> If so, I'll do some testing today.
[17:40] <Red_HamsterX> Anything you absolutely want me to stay away from?
[17:40] <titeuf_87> Yeah, right now it uses your test server as default, although you can override it by launching it with --server.
[17:40] <Red_HamsterX> (i.e., sections of code you're working on and want to have left alone)
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> feel free to add the screenshots to the en bzr branch to check for the bzr hand shake
[17:41] <titeuf_87> the gui side of the code is a bit of a mess (all in one class, different styles mixed together), but let's keep it that way and not make any big changes now
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> the gui needs tidying up
[17:42] <titeuf_87> except for the get_active_language function, feel free to play around
[17:43] <titeuf_87> going to eat now, back in a little bit
[17:43] <Red_HamsterX> There's ugliness everywhere in the PHP side and error-detection could be a bit less draconic, so I can't criticise you for cluttered design. =P
[17:44] <Red_HamsterX> Besides, we just need to have something working at this stage. We can use the next six months to make it right.
[17:44] <ubuntujenkins> very true
[17:45] <Red_HamsterX> Is the LiveCD that was discussed usable?
[17:45] <ubuntujenkins> it will be when it is finished I need a ppa of wuickshot to finish it off
[17:45] <ubuntujenkins> *quickshot
[17:46] <ubuntujenkins> it will have quickshot pre installed and all of the languges. I couldn't get the default user to be Quickshot
[17:46] <Red_HamsterX> Speaking of PPAs, can we make them depend on other packages?
[17:47] <Red_HamsterX> In a liveCD environment, would the default user actually have to be Quickshot?
[17:47] <ubuntujenkins> not sure I will look into it, what are the dependacies apart from disper
[17:47] <ubuntujenkins> no it doesn't have to be quickshot but that was the ideal case
[17:47] <Red_HamsterX> What about adding a dummy file to /etc/skel/ that tells Quickshot is can do whatever it wants?
[17:47] <Red_HamsterX> it can do*
[17:48] <Red_HamsterX> python-gtk2 and python-wnck
[17:48] <Red_HamsterX> As far as my stuff is concerned.
[17:48] <ubuntujenkins> if people starts taking screenshots then they will all have ubuntu in the top right and not quickshot
[17:48] <Red_HamsterX> wnck is used to automate maximizing and stuff when possible.
[17:48] <ubuntujenkins> added to the listy
[17:48] <Red_HamsterX> And it will (time permitting) be used to replace my raw WM hints calls.
[17:49] <Red_HamsterX> It handles failure and geometry better.
[17:49] <Red_HamsterX> (libwnck is part of Gnome. The Python bindings, however, are not)
[17:49] <ubuntujenkins> well if we can get a pre release out soon then we can get a head start and the change can be made in an update.
[17:54] <ubuntujenkins> well i have a deb of quickshot now
[17:55] <Red_HamsterX> Is it easy to build one using debhelper?
[17:55] <Red_HamsterX> (In case I want to try it on some other systems)
[17:55] <Red_HamsterX> (Which I probably won't)
[17:56] <titeuf_87> back now
[17:56] <titeuf_87> normally quickly will detect the dependencies for us when it makes a deb package
[17:57] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, right. I forgot about that.
[17:57] <ubuntujenkins> all i did was quickly package but dependacies were not detected
[17:57] <Red_HamsterX> About Quickly's facilities, I mean.
[17:57] <ubuntujenkins> also before we package there are a few lines of code to change
[17:58] <ubuntujenkins> off to get food o/
[18:04] <titeuf_87> I just did a quick test of packaging and it correctly found python-gtk2 and python-wnck as dependencies.
[18:33] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: where did it list the dependancies?
[18:33] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I installed it and checked in synaptic (there's probably a better way to check without having to install it first, but I'm not sure how)
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> are makes sense rather obvious, i am going to try and make disper a dependancy as well
[18:34] <titeuf_87> I thought that was only needed for nvidia cards?
[18:35] <ubuntujenkins> yes but it is neater if we have it as a depndancy than having to check it is installed every time
[18:36]  * ubuntujenkins should really learn how to spell dependency
[18:37] <titeuf_87> It's why I love using the built-in spell-checker in xchat.
[18:37] <ubuntujenkins> I do but I type to quick and often forget to check
[18:38] <titeuf_87> Is disper available in the standard ubuntu repositories?
[18:38] <ubuntujenkins> no its not, I am hoping the developer will let us add it to our ppa
[18:40] <ubuntujenkins> he has a ppa of it
[18:42] <titeuf_87> Problem with that then that everyone that wishes to use quickshot will need to install that package, even if they don't use an nvidia card.
[18:43] <ubuntujenkins> mm I know the bit at the start anoys me, with out it the program flows better
[18:45] <titeuf_87> Well lshw doesn't work that fast, which is used to see if we have an nvidia card.
[18:45] <titeuf_87> Can't we replace that with something faster?
[18:46] <ubuntujenkins> not sure i will see what we can do, at the moment adding a manual dependency doesn't work
[18:47] <ubuntujenkins> you are suppose to be able to do quickly configure dependencies but it doesn't work
[18:48] <titeuf_87> Basically we could check the xorg.conf file to see what driver it uses...although, not sure if that's a great way to go about it.
[18:49] <titeuf_87> Also, does the livecd use the binary nvidia driver?
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> xorg.conf doesn't exist by default.
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> we can't as 10.04 doesn't have one by default,
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> the live cd will use nouvea which excepts xrandr
[18:50] <titeuf_87> It depends on how most users will take the screenshots, if most will download the livecd you're making, then it won't be an issue as we can always use xrandr then.
[18:51] <ubuntujenkins> I think we will have to leave it as it is at the moment
[18:52] <titeuf_87> Yeah, it's not -that- bad as it only happens once at startup.
[18:52] <Red_HamsterX> Why does nvidia support matter?
[18:53] <ubuntujenkins> because we want as many users as possible to take screenshots
[18:53] <Red_HamsterX> We should be able to screencap things with only VESA...
[18:53] <titeuf_87> The only reason we check for nvidia is to be able to change the resolution automatically.
[18:53] <ubuntujenkins> also godbyk will so file a bug if we don't support nvidia :-P
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> Ah.
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> That makes sense.
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> Except...
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> Wait...
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> Why couldn't we just use VESA for that?
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> That should support xrandr just fine.
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> Just pare down the modules list to restrict what X can load.
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> .
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> -.
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> i may be on the wrong vesa but wikipedia says VESA has issued a number of standards, mostly relating to the function of video peripherals in personal computers
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> i am confused on the use of vesa
[19:00] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: did you get that packaging up the manual is not going to work?
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> no i missed that
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> what shall i do a ppa shot of?
[19:01] <titeuf_87> vesa is a really basic driver that works with every graphic card and doesn't use any kind of acceleration
[19:01] <Red_HamsterX> "VESA", referring to the X driver, is among the most primitive in existence. Every card in circulation supports it.
[19:01] <Red_HamsterX> It's got no card-specific enhancements.
[19:01] <Red_HamsterX> It's not really much more useful than a framebuffer.
[19:01] <titeuf_87> And we could use that for the livecd, but we can't change the graphic drivers of already installed systems.
[19:02] <Red_HamsterX> But it should be enough.
[19:02] <ubuntujenkins> does it support 1024x768?
[19:02] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf beat me to it. D:
[19:02] <ubuntujenkins> also it may be to much for this release
[19:03] <titeuf_87> Doesn't support compiz though and all those shiny effects, but I don't think you can actually see that in screenshots.
[19:03] <Red_HamsterX> Not having those would be kinda helpful, actually.
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> i guessed that
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> to what titeuf said
[19:03] <Red_HamsterX> Since their drop shadows add to the geometry of windows.
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> ooo we have a quickshot question
[19:04] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, no!
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> just answering now
[19:07] <titeuf_87> On the UI-side of things, when would be a good time to show the steps/explanation of the screenshot?
[19:08] <titeuf_87> Right now I show its description under the list of screenshots when you select one, but I still need to show the explanation steps.
[19:08] <titeuf_87> Adding another window with just that before the capture window does seem kind of silly.
[19:08] <ubuntujenkins> put them in the capture window
[19:09] <titeuf_87> I'll try, hopefully the window won't get too big.
[19:09] <ubuntujenkins> just a thought also can we decorate the window with only a mimize button?
[19:10] <titeuf_87> We can, although I don't think that's really needed. The capture window hides itself right before taking the screenshot so it'll never show up.
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> I was thinking if the user has to set some stuff up that happens to be behind it
[19:12] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: you know the comment you put on line 190 if the quickshot file next to os.system('cd /home/quickshot/quickshot && bzr pull lp:quickshot')
[19:12] <titeuf_87> yeah
[19:13] <titeuf_87> Forgot to ask why it was there.
[19:13] <titeuf_87> But I don't think it's needed: this is run when quickshot is already launched, if we do that we'll have to check if any files got changed, and if any were, then restart quickshot.
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> when you are next there can you uncomment it as it means we don't have to run quickly run -r all the time. It updates the user with the branch every time we open the quickshot program in the quickshot user
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> it may be in the wrong place then
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> I didn't add it
[19:15] <titeuf_87> Also, if we package quickshot on a livecd or in a ppa we can't just download the latest version from bzr.
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> I know that line will be one of the ones that goes from the code before packaging
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> they are work arounds whilst we use quickly
[19:16] <dutchie> using quickly is not a barrier to having a ppa
[19:16] <dutchie> it's a positive boon
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> reword (work arounds for the testing branch)
[19:18] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, try out my latest changes I just pushed?
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: pulling now
[19:18] <titeuf_87> If everything works well, this was the last bit that was missing for basic functionality.
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins>   File "bin/quickshot", line 25, in <module>
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins>     import babel
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> ImportError: No module named babel
[19:19] <Red_HamsterX> We'll probably want to show the user the commands that will be issued to launch applications.
[19:19] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: what should the module be
[19:19] <titeuf_87> Install the python-pybabel package ubuntujenkins
[19:19] <Red_HamsterX> Just so they don't authorize something bad, like rm -rf ~/*
[19:20] <Red_HamsterX> (Maybe a tiny label at the bottom of the screenshot prompt window)
[19:20] <ubuntujenkins> i forgot that package I did a clean install the other day
[19:21] <titeuf_87> They wouldn't lose much as it runs as its own user. But doubt anyone would want to use quickshot anymore if someone ever sees a command like that.
[19:22] <titeuf_87> But I'll it in there anyways.
[19:23] <titeuf_87> Red_HamsterX, does your server mention if a screenshot should be a full-screen one instead of just a window?
[19:23] <Red_HamsterX> Well, it's more of a precaution than anything else...
[19:23] <Red_HamsterX> It's an optional dictionary value.
[19:23] <Red_HamsterX> 'maximize': bool
[19:24] <Red_HamsterX> There's also 'maximize-delay': int.
[19:24] <Red_HamsterX> Which is the number of seconds to wait after launching the subprocess before trying to maximize it.
[19:24] <titeuf_87> Ah I thought maximize meant that we should try to maximize the application.
[19:24] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, it does.
[19:25] <Red_HamsterX> I haven't written anything to manage subprocesses.
[19:25] <Red_HamsterX> But if you give me a module into which such functions should be placed, I'll add it.
[19:25] <Red_HamsterX> Managing processes seems like it should be outside of the Webserver/Xserver domain.
[19:26] <titeuf_87> Yeah, right now the applications gets launched when we click on the next button after selecting a screenshot.
[19:26] <titeuf_87> And gets maximized too if needed.
[19:26] <Red_HamsterX> if data_dict.get('maximize'): sleep for delay (if specified), attempt to auto-maximize.
[19:27] <titeuf_87> I meant for full screen screenshots, like one of the whole desktop, without any applications running.
[19:27] <Red_HamsterX> The maximize function I provided is only semi-reliable, though. It doesn't keep trying until the window's state changes, though I could add that functionality with a thread, if needed.
[19:27] <Red_HamsterX> Oh.
[19:27] <Red_HamsterX> No, there's no flag for that.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> I figured that would be implied by the lack of a command.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> But we can add an explicit value, if you want.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> (It's super-easy to do)
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, maybe we should...
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> Since it's possible that there may be something we can't launch programmatically.
[19:29] <Red_HamsterX> But still need to capture in windowed form.
[19:29] <titeuf_87> I think it's better to explicitly add that, although I can't think of an example right now of why.
[19:30] <Red_HamsterX> Just come up with a key for it, then.
[19:30] <Red_HamsterX> I'll translate it into a boolean.
[19:30] <titeuf_87> Just use fullsceen, simple enough and will avoid confusion.
[19:31] <Red_HamsterX> Okay. Gimme a moment to add it.
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> ok going to do a reboot then i will test quickshot the user detection is palyinmg up
[19:39] <titeuf_87> Ah good, that means we can fix it. What's wrong with it?
[19:39] <Red_HamsterX> 'fullscreen' is now an optional boolean key. Assume False if not set, I suppose.
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> not sure
[19:39] <Red_HamsterX> I can give it a default value if you want, but .get() sould be sufficient.
[19:40] <titeuf_87> It's fine like this, thanks!
[19:40]  * Red_HamsterX updates the docstrings.
[19:41] <titeuf_87> Could you also add an example screenshot like the gedit one on your server that uses fullscreen and another one with sub-rect?
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> We should probably start adding real screencap entries.
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> But, yeah, I'll add two more in a moment.
[19:42]  * Red_HamsterX collects food-stuff.
[19:44] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: it works :-)
[19:45] <titeuf_87> Sweet!
[19:46] <ubuntujenkins> can you neaten up the windows i metiont he other day
[19:47] <titeuf_87> Ah right, what was the problem with that exactly?
[19:47] <ubuntujenkins> they are supposibly set up the same but they look different
[19:48] <titeuf_87> Right, I'll take a look.
[19:48] <ubuntujenkins> thansk i can't work it our
[19:49] <titeuf_87> I always run quickshot with -n so I don't see those windows.
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> click skip so you can see the other window.
[19:50] <ubuntujenkins> I have to do some revison but ping me and i will look when i get back
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> There are now three entries.
[19:53] <titeuf_87> Thanks!
[19:55] <Red_HamsterX> Also, entries will show up in the order they're defined in the dictionary.
[19:55] <Red_HamsterX> So you don't need to have any sort of local list.
[19:56] <Red_HamsterX> Or worry about working in alphabetical order or anything like that.
[19:59] <titeuf_87> Ah, I do explicitly order them. I'll take that bit out then.
[20:04] <Red_HamsterX> It occurred to me last night that preserving order would probably be helpful.
[20:53] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I just fixed those layout problems, I think it looks fine now, but let me know if it doesn't.
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: they look better but the icons are two far to the left also the label for the countdown has gone.
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> its a definate improvement though
[21:10] <titeuf_87> Ok, I'll fix those issues too.
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> Thansk I think the label was label19
[21:11] <titeuf_87> it showed below the normal text right?
[21:11] <titeuf_87> I was wondering why an empty label was there and deleted it.
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> yea but you can put it where you like, it doesn't look that good there
[21:17] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, going to finish this tomorrow. I'm going to bed now.
[21:17] <titeuf_87> Night all.
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> night titeuf_87
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie i fixed the build for the fi manual if i upload the po file will i break any thing?
[21:59] <dutchie> not if you didn't do anything wrong
[22:00] <dutchie> email me a diff if you like to check it
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> whats your e-mail? I only removed a \ from about 10 lines for some reason some commands have two \\ in and work but others don't
[22:01] <dutchie><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: sent
[22:04] <dutchie> you'll probably get greylisted, so I may have to wait a while
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> ok, on lucid when a windows in active do the buttons change order for you?
[22:05] <dutchie> no, they just change colour
[22:06] <ubuntujenkins> oh no its the background that changes the oval shape is messed up
[22:07] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: http://www.imagesocket.com/upload/
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> opps http://www.imagesocket.com/view/Screenshotd57.png
[22:11] <dutchie> nope, not seeing that
[22:11] <dutchie> file a bug
[22:11] <dutchie> 3
[22:11] <dutchie> 2
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> your e-mail failed
[22:12] <dutchie> bah, manualbot
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> hello manualbot
[22:12] <dutchie> you ruined my countdown,
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> ok e-mail sent a again typo as usual
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:16] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: ahh, don't go
[22:16] <jaminday> mornin' all
[22:16] <ubuntujenkins> why?
[22:16] <dutchie> did you try building the manual in that language?
[22:16] <ubuntujenkins> morning jaminday
[22:16] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[22:16] <dutchie> did it work>
[22:16] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[22:16] <dutchie> go for it then
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> I will ask gobyk in the morning as there are a few errors with chapter links but it does build fine
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> I am confused why there is a double \ before most commands
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> bug #543384
[22:18] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 543384 in simple-scan "Toolbar confusing for new users" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543384
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> thank you manualbot
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[22:39] <jaminday> dutchie: ping
[22:39] <dutchie> jaminday: pong
[22:39] <jaminday> are you familiar with the command "sudo change -M 90 username"
[22:40] <dutchie> no
[22:40] <dutchie> why?
[22:41] <jaminday> hmm - you have access to the bug spreadsheet? There is a bug report we aren't sure on
[22:44] <jaminday> dutchie: actually don't worry - i think the offending section has already been removed from the manual
[22:49] <godbyk> I'm awake again.
[22:49] <godbyk> Just reading through 8 hours of backlog. :)
[22:50] <jaminday> godbyk: fun!
[22:51] <godbyk> To donri: It's evince. If you load our pdf using xpdf or acroread (Adobe Acrobat Reader), then they look a lot nicer.
[22:51] <godbyk> artnay: Errors in the log files are marked by one of two things: The word "Error:" or an exclamation point (!) at the beginning of the line.
[22:53] <godbyk> artnay: The hyphen won't break the syntax in \gls{Canonical}-niminen yritys.  But you do have to make sure that 'Canonical' stays untranslated here and only translate the name/description parts in the corresponding \newglossaryentry line.
[23:19] <godbyk> Okay, caught up on the backlog now. :)
[23:28] <semioticrobotic> lucky!
[23:31] <semioticrobotic> is this syntax correct?
[23:31] <semioticrobotic> See \chaplink{ch:system-maintenance} for how to update your Ubuntu computer with the latest security updates and patches.
[23:33] <godbyk> semioticrobotic: Yes, the syntax is fine.
[23:33] <semioticrobotic> hmm
[23:33] <semioticrobotic> okay
[23:33] <semioticrobotic> thanks, godbyk
[23:33] <godbyk> no problem
[23:34] <semioticrobotic> is jamin still here?
[23:34] <godbyk> artnay: Whenever you get back: The only LaTeX-related problems I found in the Finnish translation is that when you type "uusi_hakemisto", you need to escape the underscore (_) character with a backslash (\).
[23:34] <godbyk> artnay: So change "uusi_hakemisto" to "uusi\_hakemisto" in the four instances and the manual compiles fine.
[23:35] <godbyk> jaminday: ping
[23:35] <semioticrobotic> jaminday, that bug report regarding "chage?"
[23:36] <semioticrobotic> I was the one who edited that portion out of the manual!
[23:36] <semioticrobotic> ha!
[23:37] <godbyk> I'll be right back. Need to find something to eat.
[23:49] <godbyk> Back.. with chili.
[23:51] <semioticrobotic> mmmm
[23:51] <semioticrobotic> chili
[23:59] <jaminday> godbyk + semioticrobotic: hey, sorry pidgin has decided to stop telling me when someone pings me


[00:13] <ari-tczew> there is a bug in LP accounts related to Ubuntu - ~ubuntu-devel-discuss-lists should be merged into ~ubuntu-dev
[00:17] <ovnicraft> hi folks, i want to know if there is any official support about multibranchs in lp?
[00:23] <wgrant> ovnicraft: multibranchs?
[00:32] <wgrant> CarlFK: No, you still have to upload individually.
[00:33] <CarlFK> wgrant: but someday, right? :)
[00:33] <wgrant> ari-tczew: That's probably a bit difficult at the moment. ~ubuntu-dev needs the ubuntu-reviews ML as its contact address.
[00:33] <wgrant> CarlFK: Maybe. What is your use case?
[00:33] <wgrant> CarlFK: For the common daily builds case, the source package recipes beta may be of interest.
[00:34] <ari-tczew> wgrant: is it possible to fix? we shouldn't supply packages with non-existing maintainer
[00:34] <CarlFK> wgrant: not having to maintain multiple configs
[00:34] <wgrant> ari-tczew: That affects nothing, though.
[00:34] <wgrant> CarlFK: For what?
[00:34] <CarlFK> wgrant: some python code i wrote
[00:35] <wgrant> CarlFK: But releases? Daily builds?
[00:35] <CarlFK> just releases
[00:35] <wgrant> Since it's Python, have you considered just uploading to the lowest series then copying up?
[00:35] <wgrant> That often works for Python things.
[00:36] <CarlFK> copying up?
[00:36] <wgrant> CarlFK: Upload to, say, Hardy, then copy the binaries to Karmic/Lucid/Maverick.
[00:37] <wgrant> CarlFK: In a lot of cases that will work.
[00:37] <CarlFK> cool
[00:58] <ia> hello. I've clashed with some strange problem in [my] PPA - i can't download orig.tar.gz [via web interface]. dsc, deb and diff.gz files available for download, but when I try to download orig.tar.gz, I've got error page (ID OOPS-1772N73, for example). I will be appreciate for any clues about this problem. Thanks.
[01:00] <wgrant> ia: That's probably bug #522800. Can you 'apt-get source' the package instead?
[01:09] <ia> wgrant: thanks for answer, looks like that bug this is it, but 'apt-get source' tells that "Unable to find a source package".
[01:14] <wgrant> ia: Which PPA, and which package?
[01:20] <ia> wgrant: here - https://launchpad.net/~iaz/+archive/battery-status/+packages (the same one orig.tar.gz for lucid and karmic)
[01:24] <wgrant> ia: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49107169/battery-status_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz
[01:37] <ia> wgrant: thanks a lot for such operative help! But could you tell me, please, does exist some way to figure out this magic number (49107169) in link for some other tarball in the other PPA? (just in case if i've clashed with this problem again)
[01:39] <wgrant> ia: I found the SHA1 of the orig.tar.gz in the dsc, and searched for it at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/search?digest=78fbe780eb8ae349a524399517681579ce34bc3e
[01:41] <ia> wgrant: great advice. Thanks again!
[02:01] <lamont> wgrant: that's crazy
[02:03] <wgrant> lamont: Howso?
[02:08] <lamont> searching by digest.  crazy in a totally cool way
[02:09] <wgrant> Ah, yes.
[02:09] <wgrant> It can be handy.
[02:09] <wgrant> (I used it to grab buildd chroots for a while, but then I exported the URL directly)
[02:13] <lamont> ah.  I just cheat and use manage-chroot.py to get the chroot tarball.
[02:13] <lamont> or build a fresh one
[02:13] <wgrant> Yeah, not really an option for me.
[10:58] <Zanko> hi
[10:59] <Zanko> i would like some help putting stuff on my ppa
[10:59] <Zanko> that's first time i use ppa so i'm not sure what i did wrong
[11:00] <Zanko> anyway here is the problem : i uploaded package with dput specifying the ppa name, it seemed to work
[11:00] <Zanko> but i have nothing on the ppa page
[11:01] <wgrant> Zanko: Was your changes file signed by a key associated with your Launchpad profile.
[11:01] <Zanko> i verified that changes file is signed with a key that launchpad know about
[11:01] <Zanko> yes
[11:02] <wgrant> What's your Launchpad username? Can you pastebin your changes file?
[11:02] <Zanko> my username is zanko
[11:03] <Zanko> and here is the changes file : http://pastebin.com/Sj1qmMzc
[11:04] <wgrant> gpg: Signature made Sun 07 Nov 2010 12:16:46 EST using RSA key ID 6E898547
[11:04] <wgrant> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[11:05] <wgrant> The Internet does not know about that key.
[11:06] <Zanko> but this is the key associated with my launchpad profile
[11:06] <wgrant> No, that's 313297AB
[11:07] <Zanko> true
[11:07] <Zanko> i don't understand, where debuild get his key ?
[11:07] <Zanko> i only have one key in seahorse
[11:08] <wgrant> What does 'gpg --list-secret-keys' say?
[11:09] <Zanko> it has a line mentionning the bad key (ssb   4096R/6E898547 2009-09-22)
[11:10] <wgrant> Is it under the main 313297AB key?
[11:11] <wgrant> I wonder if you have a new subkey that you haven't pushed.
[11:12] <Zanko> yes it is
[11:12] <wgrant> Do you recall creating that subkey?
[11:12] <wgrant> It's some 2.5 years newer.
[11:12] <Zanko> not sure
[11:13] <Zanko> so if i update the key on my profile it will be ok or do i need to reupload package after ?
[11:14] <wgrant> Push the key up (gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 313297AB), and tell me when that's done.
[11:14] <wgrant> I'll check that it's correct, and then you can upload the package again.
[11:15] <Zanko> done
[11:15] <wgrant> Hm, that's not it. Can you pastebin the output of 'gpg --list-secret-keys'?
[11:17] <Zanko> http://pastebin.com/iAv9nbRr
[11:17] <wgrant> Ah.
[11:17] <wgrant> I wonder if there's a cache in the way.
[11:20] <geser> the LP keyserver knows the new subkey now
[11:21] <wgrant> Not for me. The proxy must hate me.
[11:21] <geser> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x3B0AD97C13C1439B4C0EA8648A6E3375313297AB&op=vindex lists it
[11:21] <wgrant> Ah, requesting it directly works.
[11:21] <geser> didn't tried to fetch it myself yet
[11:21] <wgrant> Zanko: Upload your package again.
[11:21] <wgrant> It should work this time.
[11:23] <Zanko> done
[11:24] <wgrant> It should hopefully appear in a minute or so.
[11:24] <Zanko> ok
[11:24] <Zanko> thanks a lot !
[11:24] <wgrant> Multiple subkeys always confuse things :(
[11:24]  * Zanko refresh the ppa page every second
[11:25] <wgrant> Upload are only processed every 5 minutes :)
[11:25] <geser> Zanko: you should get a mail when it got accepted
[11:25] <Zanko> ok
[11:25] <wgrant> Odd that it's not there.
[11:25] <wgrant> Check your inbox.
[11:26] <Zanko> crap
[11:26] <Zanko> Rejected:
[11:26] <Zanko> Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[11:26] <Zanko> Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error.
[11:26] <wgrant> Zanko: debian/changelog is wrong.
[11:26] <wgrant> It needs to specify your target Ubuntu series (eg. 'maverick'), not 'unstable' (which is a Debian series).
[11:27] <Zanko> so i have to do a package per-distro, even if the same package works on multiple distros ?
[11:28] <wgrant> Do the same binaries work on multiple?
[11:28] <wgrant> Each source package can build in at most one series.
[11:28] <Zanko> yes (and no binaries, only python)
[11:28] <wgrant> But if the binaries work across multiple series, then you can copy.
[11:28] <wgrant> So I'd upload to the lowest series, and then copy the binaries up.
[11:28] <wgrant> Right, but you still have binary packages.
[11:29] <wgrant> They just don't contain any real binaries.
[11:32] <Zanko> hopefully it works this time
[11:35] <wgrant> 'twould appear not.
[11:44] <Zanko> Rejected:
[11:44] <Zanko> Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed.
[11:44] <wgrant> You need to give debuild the '-S' flag.
[11:51] <Zanko> Accepted !
[11:52] <Zanko> thanks for your help folks !
[11:59] <wgrant> Excellent.
[13:01] <Dominic> hi all.  On a branch that's already in merge review, I've committed without my e-mail address set in bzr whoami.  Will lp be happy if I uncommit a few times, then recommit and push back to the branch (presumably with --overwrite)?
[13:02] <wgrant> Dominic: The revisions will show up *after* any existing comments on the MP, but yes, it should be fine.
[13:02] <Dominic> wgrant: great, thank you
[13:09] <Zanko> if i install packages from my ppa, it says they're "non authentified" while my key has correctly been obtained by add-apt-repository, why is that ?
[13:10] <wgrant> Zanko: I suspect that it took a while to generate the key, so the initial packages weren't signed. When you next upload or copy something, it should all be signed.
[13:10] <Zanko> ok, thx
[13:13] <Zanko> also, even if it's not really launchpad related, do you know how to tell debuild to ignore bzr stuff ? I tried to add -i as suggested on lintian doc, but it is still complaining that "diff-contains-bzr-control-dir"
[13:14] <wgrant> Zanko: -i excludes .bzr and co. from the .diff.gz. But you've built a native package, which doesn't have a .diff.gz.
[13:14] <wgrant> Is that deliberate?
[13:14] <wgrant> (there's no orig.tar.gz)
[13:18] <Zanko> that's not deliberate, (i'm discovering debian packaging and don't really know about all its subtleties yet)
[13:23] <Zanko> after reading some doc it seems i should switch to a non-native package
[17:27] <psusi> I'm getting an invalid stacked location error but the branch seems to work anyhow, what's the deal?  https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/natty/parted/drop-dmraid-regression-patch
[19:29] <psusi> I'm getting an invalid stacked location error but the branch seems to work anyhow, what's the deal?  https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/natty/parted/drop-dmraid-regression-patch
[20:03] <ProfNoel>  /j #facil
[20:03] <ProfNoel> oups sorry
[20:04] <ProfNoel> sound like spam, just make an extra space
[21:02] <thumper> psusi: did you manually stack it?
[21:05] <psusi> thumper, if you mean I had to add --stacked when pushing, yes
[21:05] <psusi> was't sure why I had to do that either
[21:05]  * thumper thinks
[21:05] <psusi> since I just pulled from the main branch, made a small change, then pushed to my personal branch... last time I did that it auto stacked
[21:06] <psusi> but this time it started uploading everything so I aborted, deleted the branch on lp, then did it again with --stacked
[21:06] <thumper> hmm...
[21:06] <thumper> it should autostack...
[21:06] <thumper> if it isn't, it's a bug
[21:06] <psusi> and the lp branch pages seems to correctly show all of the history, so it MUST be pulling from the stack
[21:07] <psusi> right?
[21:07] <psusi> so that error doesn't make sense
[21:07] <thumper> psusi: the reason it gives that error on the screen is that "officially" what you've stacked on isn't supported, and in fact didn't exist when we wrote that bit
[21:07] <thumper> but it is valid from the client side
[21:07] <thumper> so the client is happy
[21:07] <thumper> and the scanner is happy (ish)
[21:08] <thumper> but the bit of code that determins the stacked on branch isn't
[21:08] <thumper> so that bit is a bug
[21:08]  * thumper needs to relocate, so will be offline for a bit
[21:09] <psusi> I was wondering why the %2B is in there...


[12:38] <j_f-f> Hi. Is #1266179 a bug? I mean there stands Shift+Alt+L  and not Alt+Shift+L
[12:39] <penguin42> bug 1266179
[12:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1266179 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "When `Shift+Alt L` is for switching keyboard layouts, Shift has to be pressed first" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266179
[12:39] <j_f-f> yes
[12:39] <penguin42> yeh I'd say that's a bug - it's a bit weird that
[12:39] <penguin42> I'd expect with modifiers (shift/ctrl/alt) that the order doesn't matter
[12:41] <j_f-f> ok and thanks Dave
[15:31] <blacklight> hi folks, is anyone aware of any progress on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1025578
[15:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1025578 in bluez (Ubuntu) "espeak sound output very slow if bluez-alsa installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:31] <blacklight> it's seriously affecting me on saucy x64 too
[15:32] <blacklight> not only with espeak, any audio application i launch (audacity, lmms, hydrogen, mixxx...) takes at least 20 seconds to start because of audio initialization
[15:32] <blacklight> i understand it's an issue with bluez-alsa, but uninstalling bluez-alsa is not an option for me since i use bluetooth audio
[15:32] <blacklight> it's still reproducible on saucy x64 this way:
[15:33] <blacklight> apt-get install bluez-alsa
[15:33] <blacklight> python
[15:33] <blacklight> >>> import pyaudio
[15:33] <blacklight> >>> p = pyaudio.PyAudio()
[15:33] <blacklight> these messages pop out and python audio takes at least 20 seconds to be initialized: http://sprunge.us/UbOG
[15:34] <blacklight> uninstalling bluez-alsa seems to fix it, but this is not an option for me...any solution?


[00:25] <michaelh1> Hi there.  Can I add meta data to a commit?  I want to tag a commit as 'will not be sent upstream'
[00:31] <james_w> michaelh1, there are revision properties, but I don't think that core provides command line options to set them
[00:32] <michaelh1> OK.  I can embed meta data in the comment just fine.
[02:27] <lamont> jelmer: two things are needed for hardy to fully disappear from the buildds: 1) an LTS with xen support (for the ppa host, especially - not actually a hard hard requirement), and 2) distro telling us that they're happy with using something newer than hardy to build all of the supported releases - dapper's EOL helps with that discussion, fwiw
[06:58] <vila> hello bzr world
[07:04] <jam> morning all
[08:06] <mgz> morning
[08:09] <vila> mgz: _o/
[08:15] <mgz> morning jelmer. do you know off hand where the python-debian upstream repo is?
[08:15] <jelmer> mgz: "bzr info apt:python-debian" :-)
[08:16] <jelmer> or, if you have bzr-git installed: bzr branch apt:python-debian
[08:16] <jelmer> git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-python-debian/python-debian.git
[08:16] <mgz> ...oo, new command to me
[08:16]  * mgz tries it
[08:17] <jelmer> you need bzr-builddeb
[08:17] <mgz> deprecation warnings, and it works
[08:17] <mgz> I am impressed.
[08:28] <jelmer> hmm, what deprecation warnings?
[08:28] <jelmer> (are you on oneiric?)
[08:28] <mgz> I'll put up a branch, it's a trivial spelling of fallback thing
[08:29] <mgz> two in the style of:
[08:29] <mgz> bzrlib/plugins/builddeb/directory.py:47: DeprecationWarning: Attribute 'Lookup'
[08:29] <mgz> of the 'apt_pkg.SourceRecords' object is deprecated, use 'lookup' instead. lookup = getattr(sources, 'lookup', getattr(sources, 'Lookup', None))
[09:27] <mgz> vila: babune windows seems especially unhappy of late
[09:28] <vila> mgz: :-/
[09:29] <vila> someone needs to bring it back to life :-/
[09:29] <mgz> I seem to remember we had a can't-delete-sh-file problem before and fixed it, but I don't remember how
[09:29] <vila> the infamous 'unable to delete <some tmp file>' was spurious but seem to turn into permanent
[09:29] <vila> we never fixed it, it's a jenkings issue which kind of flip-flop over time
[09:30] <vila> there is a 'hudson.remoting.RequestAbortedException: java.io.StreamCorruptedException: invalid type code: 68' in the backtrace doesn't look good
[09:31] <vila> may be related to the leaks too (the leaks in (or releated to) the subunit stream
[09:31] <mgz> yeah, seems like something is leaking through a stream, if that's even possible
[09:31] <mgz> ...vila wins again
[09:32] <vila> ?
[09:32] <mgz> you said the same thing, faster :)
[09:32] <vila> ha :)
[09:32] <vila> worth noticing then, 'cause you're the fastest most of the time ;)
[09:39] <vila> lol
[09:39] <vila> just found a cryptic YARXU commit message....
[09:39] <vila> .. wondered a bit
[09:40] <vila> ... triggered my acronym decipherer
[09:40] <vila> ... first guess: Yet Another Random Xml Update
[09:40] <vila> win ! :)
[09:41] <vila> I really wish we add a way to get better diffs (and commits) when xml files are involved. Most of the time one or two attributes in a "dict" are modified but the key/values are randomly shuffled. The end result is unreadable
[09:42] <jelmer> vila: it would be really nice to have a mechanism for diffs similar to the merge hooks we have
[09:43] <vila> indeed, they are closely related...
[09:43] <jelmer> also, we currently already have some form of custom diff displayers
[09:43] <jelmer> since we don't diff binary files by default
[09:46] <vila> and doesn't qbzr display image diffs too ? (or rather both images)
[10:03] <jelmer> vila: I wasn't aware of that. If it does, that's pretty cool
[10:04] <jelmer> I know github has some fancy stuff for displaying image diffs
[10:06] <mgz> okay, this looks tractable
[10:06]  * mgz is back on bzr-builddeb
[10:07] <mgz> or rather, the mess that is python-debian r95
[10:07] <jelmer> where everything magically became unicode?
[10:08] <mgz> yeah, but without ever checking the inputs
[10:21] <mgz> ugh, setup.py.in
[10:21]  * mgz just copies it
[10:22] <jelmer> mgz: debian/rules has the magic to generate the setup.py IIRC
[10:23] <jml> https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/udd/less-in-top-level/+merge/80037 up for review
[10:23] <mgz> wants setuptools for no good reason too.
[10:23] <jelmer> hey jml
[10:23] <jml> jelmer: hi
[10:23] <mgz> and given that it's just for a version number... which I don't even seem to be able to get at from the installed package, screw it
[10:25] <mgz> what is it with people using fancy conf stuff on python packages then not actually having __version__ anywhere
[10:25]  * mgz eyes subunit
[10:28] <lifeless> mgz: patches appreciated
[10:29] <mgz> I'd have to learn how all that worked to do that lifeless, which is exactly what I'm avoiding :)
[11:52] <vila> mgz: windows slave still failing but at least with results
[11:53] <mgz> woho.
[11:53] <mgz> I've got bugs on the failures.
[11:54] <vila> yakafokon :)
[12:16] <vila> immortal chroots are pita
[12:16] <mgz> you dig them up but they keep on growing back?
[12:17] <vila> they refuse to die
[12:18] <vila> ..can survive reboots and stay around for months
[12:18] <mgz> okay, enough random poking of plugins, it's lunchtime
[12:18] <vila> luckily it doesn't happen often (which of course makes it even harder to understand the cause)
[12:19] <vila> bon appetit
[12:27] <ccxCZ> ghost in z shell? :-)
[12:27] <AuroraBorealis> speaking of those
[12:27] <AuroraBorealis> the archive bit on some of my files refuses to clear :<
[16:00] <mgz> hm, that was a failed attempt at not getting release notes conflict
[16:31] <jml> mgz: thanks for the review
[16:31] <jml> mgz: would you please merge the branch for me?
[16:53] <mgz> jml: I don't have access either, will poke vila
[17:04] <p2000> hello
[17:04] <p2000> bzr wizards
[17:04] <p2000> how do you translate "git --format-patch" to bzr ?
[17:05] <jml> mgz: thanks.
[17:07] <mgz> p2000: `bzr help bundle` is the diff + metadata thing in bzr
[17:07] <mgz> s/is/for/
[17:08] <p2000> it would b great if i could get the metadata in plaintext as well ... any option ?
[17:08] <p2000> (havent found)
[17:09] <mgz> format-patch is a bit cuter like that, but I never worked out how to send more than one revision with it
[17:09] <mgz> I think there's a send email to file way of doing it
[17:11] <p2000> just now i realize format-patch is probably not what i'm looking for ... intension misleaded me ... i saw the specific feature in gitweb only so far ... there i was able to get a page thatt shows me all commit messages along with the patches in a flat text file ... that's what i'd like to get from bzr but don't know how to get it from git actually ...
[17:11] <p2000> s/intension/intention/
[17:11] <p2000> s/wrong/right/
[17:12] <mgz> s/True/False/ ? :P
[17:13] <mgz> p2000: like `bzr log -p` maybe?
[17:15] <p2000> yes ... looks realy good !
[17:18] <p2000> that was it! ... thank you very much mgz !!!
[17:18] <p2000> :-) same as in git i guess ...
[17:19] <p2000> the 2 dvcs's are on par feature & technology -wise at the moment ... or what do the bzr-wizards say ?
[17:20] <wgz> there's still enough minor things for people to argue about :)
[17:20] <p2000> i mean git vs bzr ... bzr seems to have been quickly developping ... sure
[17:21] <p2000> but there are no more minor differences i guess ... expect design of course
[17:22] <p2000> anyway, thanks !! hanwe
[18:45] <james_w> wgz, how does anyone add you to a team in Launchpad?
[18:46] <james_w> ah, I can avoid the javascript version and do it
[20:18] <briandealwis> jelmer, I just did a dpush to an eclipse repository and seem to have deleted most of the branches other than the branch I was pushing to and to master
[20:18] <briandealwis> (with bzr-git)
[20:40] <wgz> james_w: it's not just that I like making life hard for people...
[20:41] <wgz> thanks for the conscription!
[22:24] <jelmer> briandealwis: what versions of bzr-git/dulwich ?
[22:24] <briandealwis> bzr-git 0.6.2 and dulwich 0.8.0
[22:25] <briandealwis> It unfortunately happened after the support staff had left for home for the weekend.
[22:25] <jelmer> ouch, sorry :-(
[22:25] <jelmer> I've hit this before with tags and subsequently fixed it. I guess it's not in any releases yet
[22:25] <briandealwis> I'm pretty sure I've dpushed to this repository previously though, without this problem!
[22:27] <briandealwis> It would be nice to have a --dry-run flag :)
[22:28] <jelmer> briandealwis: that wouldn't really help with a bug
[22:29] <briandealwis> I'm kinda joking.  I had wondered why the push was taking so long.
[22:30] <briandealwis> And we can't just recover by providing another packed-refs: unfortunately the push seems to have triggered a gc on the other side.
[22:31] <briandealwis> I had meant to ask you what happens with dpush and tags, and if there's a way to not push tags
[22:44] <jelmer> bradm: there is no way to not push tags


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[13:29] <maxolasersquad> Hey spikey00
 Hi
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[14:07] <floridagram-bot> spikey00 was removed by: spikey00
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[14:42] <maxolasersquad> 😊
[14:43] <maxolasersquad> Is anyone else bothered with how emojis break monospaced fonts?
 https://thehackernews.com/2019/01/linux-apt-http-hacking.html
[19:28] <maxolasersquad> I didn't realize apt isn't using https. I wonder what their reasoning for this is.
[19:29] <maxolasersquad> Their repos don't have https support at all.
[19:31] <maxolasersquad> archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com do not respond to https queries.