[04:37] <holycow> ah
[04:37] <holycow> don't know
[04:37] <imperfectus> I can go to VM->removable devices
[04:37] <imperfectus> and it just says empt
[04:37] <holycow> how are you connecting to your windows session if its running on vmware server?
[04:37] <holycow> rdp client of some sort?
[04:37] <imperfectus> I'm usoing the vmware server concole currently
[04:37] <trinkolade> Aggrav8d, is it accessable somehow? From localhost or the same net? What about the firewall setting?
[04:37] <Gun_Smoke> dcraven:  good thinking... I've forgotten about that.. I've been trying to force myself lately to use the command line.
[04:38] <holycow> the client by which you are connecting to win will need to talk to your local machine to pass the usb data back and fort
[04:38] <holycow> h
[04:38] <dcraven> Gun_Smoke, apt-get is a command line tool.
[04:38] <Aggrav8d> is there a default fw in ubuntu 6.10 server that blocks port 80?
[04:38] <dcraven> Gun_Smoke, as is aptitude.
[04:38] <imperfectus> Well
[04:38] <imperfectus> It's all on my local machine
[04:38] <holycow> imperfectus, i don't know what capabilities that client has ... you would best be looking for that answer on their site
[04:39] <VMT2007> NetworkManager doesn't seem to work with my interface
[04:39] <VMT2007> It doesn't even detect it.
[04:39] <holycow> imperfectus, however, the idea is the same.  that client has to know how to access your hardware and pass the usb data back and forth.
[04:39] <imperfectus> I'm just using server because it's free and because I can deatch and it'll still be running in the background
[04:39] <holycow> i know why you are running server but server and workstation are different beasts
[04:39] <jmiller565> VMT: what's your interface?
[04:39] <imperfectus> Yeah?
[04:39] <VMT2007> Interface?
[04:39] <VMT2007> Oh.
[04:40] <holycow> and your running windows, a piece of crap os that really isn't design for anything including virtualization
[04:40] <trinkolade> Aggrav8d, no, there shouldn't be any, but is there a hardware router?
[04:40] <imperfectus> Is it possible I need workstation to get this to wrok?
[04:40] <VMT2007> One second
[04:40] <holycow> imperfectus, it works on workstation
[04:40] <holycow> they have a 30 demo you can try
[04:40] <GMT-1_AZ> Can my computer act as a server ? what is exactly a server?
[04:40] <imperfectus> Well, I'd like to be able to sync with my VM5 phone, that's all.
[04:40] <userundefine> GMT-1_AZ, yes.  a server's just a computer with different programs running on it.
[04:40] <jmiller565> BRB
[04:40] <VMT2007> jmiller565: Broadcom BCM4318
[04:40] <trinkolade> Aggrav8d, oh! Ubuntu server? There might be a fw for that, see if there's one
[04:40] <jmiller565> oh ok
[04:40] <jmiller565> um
[04:41] <tolldog> is there a known problem with the nvidia 6150 on 64 bit? I can't get past the splash screen with installs
[04:41] <holycow> imperfectus, *nod* i exploained how both approaches work so go for it
[04:41] <GMT-1_AZ> like... serving other computers ? with services, ... a webpage?
[04:41] <jmiller565> I don't know anything about that interface. soz man
[04:41] <Eldanen> Does anyone know what I can do? :/
[04:41] <userundefine> GMT-1_AZ, sure
[04:41] <velasco_> Does anyone know where I can find beryl's packages for Ubuntu 6.06 ?
[04:42] <velasco_> please =)
[04:42] <jmiller565> VMT:I don't know anything about that interface. soz man
[04:42] <imperfectus> Well a quick glance at vmware's site hints that there is a ip-based solution for USB data for the ESX server
[04:42] <holycow> !beryl
[04:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[04:42] <imperfectus> I'm running beryl
[04:42] <imperfectus> it's purty
[04:42] <holycow> though not supported here, pre alpha software and extremely buggy
[04:43] <imperfectus> eh
[04:43] <imperfectus> velasco_ : http://www.timothyward.us/ipod/beryl.ogg
[04:43] <imperfectus> That's my desktop, it seems pretty stable imho
[04:43] <velasco_> thanks.. I'll take a look
[04:43] <GMT-1_AZ> Extremely buggy. I might say :)
[04:44] <unikon> sup hackit
[04:44] <hackit_error> nottin
[04:44] <draco79> anyone know anything about vpns
[04:44] <jief-> hey guys. i installed ndiswrapper, i can load the driver with ndiswrapper (shows up with -l). i can modprobe ndiswrapper, it loads fine. but it doesnt create a wlan0 interface. im kinda new to wireless in linux. what could be wrong?
[04:45] <hackit_error> help
[04:46] <hackit_error> I want ubuntu to be better than xp
[04:46] <|Amon|> ..
[04:46] <DarthLappy> hackit_error: Err?
[04:46] <cyphase> ..
[04:46] <hackit_error> but it sucks
[04:46] <unikon>  anyone please tell hackit why edgy is a pain compared to dapper
[04:46] <GMT-1_AZ> imperfectus, what's your graphics card?
[04:46] <imperfectus> Uhm
[04:46] <bruenig> edgy has been flawless for me
[04:46] <imperfectus> Nvidia 7600GS I think
[04:46] <holycow> hackit_error, define 'better'
[04:46] <hackit_error> lol
[04:46] <userundefine> No problems on edgy here
[04:46] <cyphase> edgy is awesome
[04:46] <|Amon|> hackit_error: um. linux is by definition better than xp
[04:46] <VMT2007> Aw
[04:46] <VMT2007> Ah
[04:46] <VMT2007> I got NetworkManager to work
[04:46] <hackit_error> lol yea
[04:46] <VMT2007> I changed the device name from eth0 to wlan0
[04:46] <hackit_error> sure
[04:47] <imperfectus> GMT-1_AZ : Why do you ask?
[04:47] <VMT2007> |Amon|: not really
[04:47] <GMT-1_AZ> I'm using ati radeon. Beryl works but... with some bugs
[04:47] <VMT2007> |Amon|: XP kicks Linux's ass at crashing :P
[04:47] <holycow> you still havent a: defined a problem and b: defined better
[04:47] <holycow> hackit_error, so what exactly do you want?
[04:47] <cyphase> Linux, n. 1. The best operating system in the world
[04:47] <|Amon|> VMT2007: is for me... i can do everything i need from bash
[04:47] <ademan> is autotools the most relevant make system still?  Should i bother learning CMake?  Or some other make system?
[04:47] <|Amon|> maybe u need to study bash?
[04:47] <hackit_error> how can i make it look cooler
[04:47] <unikon> he doesnt like the mac look
[04:47] <VMT2007> i'm a tcsh man
[04:47] <hackit_error> ubuntu looks like the macs' os
[04:47] <Music_Shuffle> ...
[04:47] <VMT2007> oh he did NOT just say that
[04:48] <cyphase> huh? it does
[04:48] <DarthLappy> hackit_error: So change it?
[04:48] <darksmiley> yo!
[04:48] <userundefine> hackit_error, you can make linux look like anything you want it to.
[04:48] <Music_Shuffle> No, Gnome looks like OSX.
[04:48] <cyphase> because it has abar on top?
[04:48] <hackit_error> how
[04:48] <Music_Shuffle> Change it.
[04:48] <cyphase> a bar*
[04:48] <bradley> has anyone had a problem burning data-dvd's i never been able to do it (since breezy) but i can't find a fix. other people on the forums have the same issue, but if they get it fixed they don't give the howto.
[04:48] <Music_Shuffle> Don't just...complain.
[04:48] <VMT2007> GNOME does not look like OS X.
[04:48] <holycow> !art
[04:48] <darksmiley> gnome does look a bit OSX-y yeah =)
[04:48] <unikon> goto applications then settings
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about art - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <holycow> !theme
[04:48] <cyphase> VMT2007: i agree
[04:48] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:48] <|Amon|> dont feed the troll
[04:48] <VMT2007> it looks more like a cow.
[04:48] <bradley> if someone could help me fix this i would be very grateful.
 hi
 i'm trying to modify a python script
 (smack.py)
 that lets one change desktops by hitting the side of their thinkpads
 i'm trying to make it compatible with beryl using the DBUS calls
 however, whenever i try making a call
[04:48] <VMT2007> an awesome dairy cow
 i get this message:
 Failed to open connection to session message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[04:48] <cyphase> VMT2007: it has a bar on the top of the screen (in Ubuntu), but that's about it
 anyone have any ideas about what's wrong?
[04:48] <VMT2007> nikhil: do not paste
[04:48] <userundefine> nikhil, no need to spam the chat dude.
[04:48] <nikhil> ok ok
[04:48] <nikhil> i'll retype
[04:48] <Music_Shuffle> !pastebin | Nikhil
[04:48] <ubotu> Nikhil: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:48] <userundefine> !pastebin > nikhil
[04:48] <Music_Shuffle> >_<
[04:48] <Music_Shuffle> I WINZ.
[04:49] <tolldog> ok, so its not the video that caused my problem, the hp laptop needed noapic to boot
[04:49] <VMT2007> aha.
[04:49] <nikhil> oh
[04:49] <userundefine> :(
[04:49] <nikhil> got it
[04:49] <darksmiley> i have an XGL question... i have just installed it using synaptic... what is the easiest way to use it?
[04:49] <holycow> !xgl
[04:49] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:49] <userundefine> darksmiley, you need a composite manager to actually do anything with xgl.
[04:49] <cyphase> #beryl
[04:49] <holycow> darksmiley, not really supported here
[04:50] <darksmiley> oh, i don't think gnome has a composite manager does it? i thought that was just KDE... =S
[04:50] <darksmiley> how does it work?
[04:50] <cyphase> darksmiley: take a look at http://www.beryl-project.com/ or #beryl
[04:50] <VMT2007> wow
[04:50] <VMT2007> scrolling in firefox lags
[04:50] <Eldanen> Anyone know about the MCP55s? ;/
[04:50] <userundefine> darksmiley, you can install beryl.  follow the links people pasted
[04:50] <VMT2007> do I need to get better graphics drivers
[04:50] <darksmiley> oh, ubuntu-xgl
[04:50] <bradley> anyone have a problem burning dvd's?  with this warning: 'unhandled error'.
[04:50] <hackit_error> ok so what now
[04:51] <Music_Shuffle> ...ubuntu is not so much about holding your hand..
[04:51] <cyphase> hackit_error: what now what?
[04:51] <Music_Shuffle> Lol
[04:51] <hackit_error> do i do
[04:51] <cyphase> about?
[04:51] <Music_Shuffle> About what?
[04:51] <cyphase> you need to tell us what's bothering you about ubuntu
[04:51] <holycow> hackit_error, why don't you just go use windows
[04:51] <cyphase> then we can help
[04:51] <hackit_error> what is the difference with dapper and edgy
[04:51] <nikhil> hi all
[04:51] <Music_Shuffle> holycow, roflllllll
[04:51] <nikhil> i'm trying to modify a script
[04:51] <nikhil> (smack.py)
[04:51] <userundefine> hackit_error, one has packages that are 6 months newer
[04:51] <cyphase> hackit_error: edgy has more up-to-date software
[04:51] <TheDebugger> hackit_error: edgy is the current version
[04:51] <VMT2007> hackit_error: edgy is "experimental"
[04:52] <holycow> your really not interested in actually learning, you are more suited to talk smack with that group of people
[04:52] <Music_Shuffle> That's like...the meanest insult in here.
[04:52] <nikhil> that lets a person hit the side of their thinkpad in order to
[04:52] <VMT2007> NOTE the quotes
[04:52] <cyphase> hackit_error: and it's overall faster, slicker, etc
[04:52] <holycow> it will save both of us a headache
[04:52] <nikhil> change desktops
[04:52] <nikhil> i'm trying to mod it to work in beryl
[04:52] <nikhil> using DBUS commands
[04:52] <Music_Shuffle> Indeed. I sorta vote with holycow honestly. Show SOME initiative.
[04:52] <nikhil> but when i try, i get a weird error:
[04:52] <nikhil> Failed to open connection to session message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[04:52] <nikhil> i was wondering
[04:52] <hackit_error> red hat
[04:53] <nikhil> if anyone had some ideas
[04:53] <ablyss> i only had one small problem w/ edgy.. the symlink of /bin/sh was pointing to /bin/dash instead of the usual /bin/bash .. easy enough to change but took me a while to hunt down why my cgi scripts where going nuts
[04:53] <nikhil> about what the problem is?
[04:53] <hackit_error> linspire
[04:53] <unikon> heck no
[04:53] <|Amon|> linspire
[04:53] <|Amon|> lol
[04:53] <__mikem> linspire is an insult to linux
[04:53] <hackit_error> ok
[04:53] <DarthLappy> !enter > nikhil
[04:53] <VMT2007> scrolling in web pages seems to be too...
[04:53] <VMT2007> slow
[04:53] <|Amon|> the only decent product from red hat is the enterprise server... fedora project sucks
[04:53] <nikhil> !enter > nikhil?
[04:53] <hackit_error> mandriva
[04:54] <VMT2007> |Amon|: I had CentOS on my laptop
[04:54] <VMT2007> It sucked horribly
[04:54] <|Amon|> CentOS does suck
[04:54] <cyphase> hackit_error: any new operating system takes some initiative to learn. if you want linux to be just like windows, use windows. Linux is NOT a version of windows, thankfully
[04:54] <DarthLappy> Indeed... *Should* get the bot to send something to you... But I don't actually know :)
[04:54] <holycow> what cyphase
[04:54] <|Amon|> but it's a server operating system, not a desktop OS
[04:54] <hackit_error> what about mandriva
[04:54] <holycow> we also don't care if anyone at all uses linux
[04:54] <Music_Shuffle> __mikem, I saw linspire installed on an OEM desktop at Fry's the other day. I was like 'Wtf..'
[04:54] <VMT2007> if you want user-friendly stability
[04:54] <userundefine> what about it
[04:54] <holycow> its not here to take over the world
[04:54] <VMT2007> get Mac OS X
[04:54] <VMT2007> and in that case you'd just need a Mac.
[04:55] <|Amon|> but hes too cheap
[04:55] <VMT2007> :P
[04:55] <|Amon|> :x
[04:55] <cyphase> holycow: it would be nice if more people did
[04:55] <Music_Shuffle> If macs were cheaper...I'd consider it. :o
[04:55] <cyphase> holycow: gives us more market clout
[04:55] <VMT2007> Sell your equipment and your soul
[04:55] <nikhil> Here's my 1 liner: I'm trying to modify a script (smack.py) using dbus commands to make it work with beryl, but whenever i try, i get a message which says "Failed to open connection to session message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.". Does anyone ha
[04:55] <nikhil> ve any ideas as to why i'm getting this message?
[04:55] <VMT2007> then you can afford the down payment for a Mac.
[04:55] <VMT2007> :)
[04:55] <unikon> hackit if u want to look at alot of the different versions of linux
[04:55] <holycow> cyphase, eventually, we haveto build a network of local support groups and businesses
[04:55] <unikon>  look at www.distrowatch.com
[04:55] <nikhil> dammit, it became 2 lines
[04:55] <nikhil> w/e
[04:55] <Music_Shuffle> cyphase, and directly increases the proportion of people who want their hands held. >_<
[04:55] <VMT2007> He can get a Mac mini
[04:55] <voraistos> Good Oses: Debian, Ubuntu, and a bit of gentoo
[04:55] <derek_> Hi
[04:55] <VMT2007> $600
[04:55] <VMT2007> gentoo is horrible
[04:55] <Music_Shuffle> Yeah, but that's...MINI. ;P
[04:55] <holycow> cyphase, after that i estimate we can get 50% of the non gaming public easily and a large chunk of the business world
[04:55] <VMT2007> If you want to compile everything just go with a BSD
[04:55] <kitche>   !offtopic
[04:55] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:55] <cyphase> holycow: my dad runs a computer shop
[04:56] <ablyss> the main driving force behind linux is its free ( GNU ) applications..  imho, that's all and only why we are here, to support free software
[04:56] <voraistos> nah gentoo's nice ifyou like compiling stuff.
[04:56] <cyphase> holycow: i'm trying to wean him off windows
[04:56] <derek_> Can the updates be paused, and the computer shutdown, and the updates resumed later?
[04:56] <Music_Shuffle> derek_, I wouldn't personally.
[04:56] <holycow> cyphase, neato
[04:56] <VMT2007> derek_: bad idea
[04:56] <cyphase> holycow: as for gaming, with more users, we'll get the games
[04:56] <|Amon|> cyphase: Windows has a purpose
[04:56] <VMT2007> it doesn't take too long with a decent broadband connection
[04:56] <thoreauputic> guys, distro discussion --> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:56] <derek_> OKay, but I have to :/
[04:56] <holycow> cyphase, indeed
[04:56] <derek_> and I started the update already
[04:56] <cyphase> |Amon|: i agree
[04:56] <holycow> games will probably be last
[04:56] <Eldanen> Is there a 2.6.18 kernel in the Ubuntu repos?
[04:56] <VMT2007> not really. game developers are developing more games for Linux
[04:56] <Eldanen> For Edgy Eft?
[04:57] <holycow> cyphase, we need A LOT of dedicated users with cash first then the game companies will come
[04:57] <cyphase> |Amon|: i don't mean to imply Widnows should go away. sompetition is better for everyone
[04:57] <cyphase> holycow: yes
[04:57] <|Amon|> i don't think windows is competition at all
[04:57] <thoreauputic> I repeat: non-ubuntu discussion -> -offtopic
[04:57] <derek_> How to have multiple monitors working?
[04:57] <|Amon|> two diff markets altogether
[04:57] <|Amon|> imo.
[04:57] <VMT2007> derek_: as in using the same desktop across two monitors?
[04:57] <|Amon|> we need to quit worrying about making nix more "like windows"
[04:57] <cyphase> |Amon|: i don't know about that..
[04:57] <VMT2007> !offtopic
[04:57] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:57] <cyphase> |Amon|: a lot of people switch from windows to linux every day
[04:58] <Music_Shuffle> We need to quit worrying about non-support in this channel. :P
[04:58] <cyphase> |Amon|: my mom included :P
[04:58] <thoreauputic> OK final plea - offtopic or be muted
[04:58] <|Amon|> cyphase: and a lot end up going back to windows because linux isn't what they thought it would be : a Windows replacement
[04:58] <|Amon|> it's not
[04:58] <Music_Shuffle> ...
[04:58] <thoreauputic> .opme
[04:58] <feross> mute ! mute ! mute ! haha
[04:58] <cyphase> sorry about the offtopic chat
[04:59] <thoreauputic> sorry but I will have to act if you don't stop with the oftopic stuff
[04:59] <thoreauputic> OK
[04:59] <VMT2007> __mikem: they hide in the shadows.
[04:59] <VMT2007> anyway
[04:59] <tritium> voraistos: not true
[04:59] <thoreauputic> __mikem: a lot of people weren't around when I lived here ;-)
[04:59] <VMT2007> derek_: you want to use two different workspaces with two different monitors?
[04:59] <Music_Shuffle> __mikem, ./didn't either. But nobody is asking a question right now =[
[04:59] <derek_> VMT2007: yes
[05:00] <VMT2007> synergy
[05:00] <voraistos> tritium yes i am afraid it is. support we give here is for nix noobs; not ubuntu support.
[05:00] <derek_> VMT2007: yeah
[05:00] <tritium> voraistos: not really, nor is that the intent
[05:00] <Aggrav8d> i've got apache2 running on ubuntu 6.10 server.  iptables is empty, apache is definitely running but "nc -v localhost 80" never produces any kind of welcome message, it just says "localhost [<IP_ADDRESS>]  80 (www) open" and then sits there for ever.
[05:00] <Aggrav8d> anyone know why?
[05:00] <|Amon|> voraistos: i have a friend who comes here because ppl in other channels ignore him and he doesnt even use ubuntu
[05:00] <|Amon|> lol
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Music_Shuffle: new people can be put off asking if the offtoic stuff is scrolling by
[05:00] <Aggrav8d> the only thing I've tried to do is add a virtual host.
[05:00] <Music_Shuffle> voraistos, Well, that's because its the default channel. We give a lot of help to actual people in need.
[05:00] <VMT2007> oh wait
[05:00] <Music_Shuffle> Oh. Right. :-X
[05:01] <VMT2007> synergy shares different machines with the same keyboard/monitor/mouse right
[05:01] <cu83> hey, how do i disable exec  sheild?
[05:01] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: I don't think httpds send anything like that...
[05:01] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: yes, it rocks :)
[05:01] <|Amon|> late
[05:01] <|Amon|> im tired, just dug my car outta 6 ' of snow
[05:02] <VMT2007> hmm.
[05:02] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: actually afaik not the monitors
[05:02] <cu83> how do i set  exec-shield-randomize to  0?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: but the mouuse and keyboard go with the mouse focus
[05:02] <VMT2007> cyphase: XDMCP? :P
[05:02] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: They just wait for the client (browser) to send what they need. Try entering an HTTP command if you want to check, or use a browser like w3m?
[05:02] <cyphase> lol
[05:02] <derek_> VMT2007: in windows I could easily extend the desktop to the other monitor attached..
[05:02] <VMT2007> derek_: everything's easier with windows, man
[05:02] <cyphase> |Amon|: Colorado?
[05:02] <VMT2007> doing anything in linux means downloading 1000 packages
[05:03] <VMT2007> but it's so worth it
[05:03] <cu83> could someone please help me?
[05:03] <derek_> ok, how to do it now here?
[05:03] <htt> :/  trying to fix the delay on internet connections i screwed it up totaly now..  wont connect to anything through anything
[05:03] <cyphase> VMT2007: what do you mean?
[05:03] <|Amon|> !offtopic
[05:03] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:03] <|Amon|> jk
[05:03] <htt> does the instruction there https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4 actually work?
[05:03] <__mikem> @lart |Amon| for kidding
[05:04] <cu83> can  someone give me a hand?
[05:04] <bradley> i can't burn data-dvds, if i pasted my hdparm would anyone be willing to look it over to see if there are any glaring errors?
[05:04] <VMT2007> !xinerama
[05:04] <ubotu> xinerama is using multiple monitors as one big monitor. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[05:04] <VMT2007> like that?
[05:04] <cyphase> cu83: don't ask to ask, just ask
[05:04] <lifepositive> hello
[05:04] <derek_> How can I find out which version of some program apt-get is going to install?
[05:04] <lifepositive> how can I get Gnomebaker to burn Audio CD's?
[05:04] <tritium> __mikem: hello
[05:04] <voraistos> |Amon| All these snow related problems you have could easily be sorted if you had gentoo. Take a nice PC (with the Athlon 1GHz inside) near your car. Install gentoo. Compile loads of stuff as usual; come back, and enjoy the non-existence of snow around your car.
[05:05] <derek_> VMT2007: yes
[05:05] <VMT2007> as in
[05:05] <jedix> does anyone know how to get nvidia 97xx drivers to change refresh rates?
[05:05] <ABrandi> Pardon me folks! How might I compile a .bin file ?
[05:05] <ABrandi> or, I should say, implement
[05:05] <voraistos> aha
[05:05] <cu83> haha i did
[05:05] <|Amon|> voraistos: i just let my dog eat it all
[05:05] <cu83> =P
[05:05] <VMT2007> well, like those HUGE displays at stores where you have an image split across several screens that form one huge screen?
[05:05] <cyphase> ABrandi: .bin files are already compiled
[05:05] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - could the problem have anything to do with the message "could not determin the server's fully qualified domain name, using [lan ip]  for ServerName" ?
[05:05] <cu83> how do i set  exec-shield-randomize to 0?
[05:05] <derek_> VMT2007: yes
[05:05] <ABrandi> Thanks cyphase, how do I utilize the program though? My computer thinks its an abiword.
[05:06] <VMT2007> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[05:06] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - because i set the ServerName in the virtualhost block.
[05:06] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Not at all. Try the command: w3m localhost
[05:06] <lifepositive>  !gnomebaker
[05:06] <ubotu> gnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 991 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[05:06] <cyphase> ABrandi: try using the terminal
[05:06] <lifepositive> !gnomebaker
[05:06] <htt> :(
[05:06] <cyphase> ABrandi: it's faster then fixing it with the gui
[05:06] <thoreauputic> cu83: maybe no-one knows right now - try asking again in around ten minutes, or maybe send your question to the mailing list
[05:06] <ABrandi> what's the command cyphase?
[05:06] <VMT2007> mailing lists...
[05:06] <cu83> k
[05:06] <VMT2007> so archaic
[05:06] <cyphase> ABrandi: just type the files name
[05:06] <idlemind> lol
[05:06] <cyphase> path*
[05:06] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: not at all
[05:07] <ABrandi> oh, solid, I'll try it, thank you!
[05:07] <Ardonik> VMT2007: Au contraire.  They actually have threading, unlike IRC and web fora.
[05:07] <VMT2007> oh?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: some of the most clueful people in the community are on the lists
[05:07] <VMT2007> true though
[05:07] <Kim^J> Hey all. Where do I put export VARIABLE so that it's system wide?
[05:07] <Ardonik> You get more insightful commentary on mailing lists and newsgroups than you do anywhere else.  Often, references are even provided.
[05:07] <derek_> VMT2007: thx
[05:07] <Ardonik> Kim^J: try /etc/profile.
[05:08] <ABrandi> cyphase: it doesn't seem to recognize it as a command?
[05:08] <lifepositive> when I try to burn an Audio CD with Gnomebaker, it says: The plugin to handle a file of type audio/x-wav is not installed.  Any solution please?
[05:08] <Kim^J> Ardonik: It doesn't work for KDE Keyboard actions. :(
[05:08] <Ardonik> Though that might be for interactive or login shells only.
[05:08] <Ardonik> man bash to the rescue, as usual.
[05:08] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - w3m is happy
[05:08] <VMT2007> info > man imo
[05:08] <voraistos> Well, when you have an advanced problem, you better go on a mailing list, coz on IRC youll end up helpin people and not yourself :) Just like i did :P
[05:09] <VMT2007> very true
[05:09] <Kim^J> Why man bash Ardonik ?
[05:09] <Ardonik> VMT2007: agreed, info > man.
[05:09] <VMT2007> i hate typing man mount.
[05:09] <Kim^J> Ardonik: I don't even use bash.
[05:09] <Ardonik> Kim^J: Because it explains what .bashrc, .profile, /etc/profile, and the rest do.
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Kim^J: then man $SHELL you use :)
[05:09] <Ardonik> Kim^J: find the equivalent for your sh, I suppose.
[05:09] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: :)
[05:10] <bradley> here is my hdparm just in case someone can find something about why i can't burn dvd's
[05:10] <bradley> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38308/
[05:10] <|Amon|> voraistos: then your question ends up getting ignored unless you act like a noob.
[05:10] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - but i still can't access it from outside the lan.  i try using the domain name (www.marginallyclver.com) and it times out.
[05:10] <Aggrav8d> the domain nslookup is correct and port forwarding is set up
[05:11] <thoreauputic> |Amon|: on mailing lists, on the contrary, good questions are more likely to be answered
[05:11] <voraistos> ok. so instead of talking about LVM i should talk about c: and d: ?
[05:11] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Did you just mistype your domain?
[05:11] <|Amon|> thoreauputicq: thought we were talking about irc
[05:11] <Aggrav8d> yeah.
[05:11] <|Amon|> my bad
[05:11] <Aggrav8d> www.marginallyclever.com
[05:11] <Aggrav8d> sorry
[05:11] <thoreauputic> |Amon|: i might have missed something - I often do ;-)
[05:12] <|Amon|> ditto
[05:12] <voraistos> hey were not like ubotu
[05:12] <vox754> !ubotu
[05:13] <voraistos> did it crash ?
[05:13] <voraistos> ubotu you damn bot wake up !
[05:13] <vox754> !X
[05:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:13] <lifepositive> when I try to burn an Audio CD with Gnomebaker, it says: The plugin to handle a file of type audio/x-wav is not installed.  Any solution please?
[05:13] <voraistos> aaaaaah
[05:14] <vox754> !gnomebaker
[05:14] <ubotu> gnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 991 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[05:14] <xipietotec> !gps
[05:14] <ubotu> gps: Graphical Process Statistics using GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 116 kB, installed size 372 kB
[05:14] <xipietotec> darnit
[05:14] <vox754> !GPS
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about GPS - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <VMT2007> heh, my college has a LUG
[05:14] <VMT2007> I do not partake
[05:14] <Reilithion> Hi.  I'm looking for a program that'll let me send a file to my friend.  I'd love to use Gaim, but for some reason none of the accounts we have let us actually transfer files.  I also tried setting up an FTP server, but it didn't work.
[05:14] <VMT2007> GPS as in navigation.
[05:14] <VMT2007> ?
[05:15] <xipietotec> okay...is there a program for interfacing with a GPS device?
[05:15] <VMT2007> Reilithion: e-mail?
[05:15] <xipietotec> yes, gps as in navigation
[05:15] <mzuverink_> I use dyndns  and need to have a fqdn, can that be set to what I use with dyndns, and if so, how?
[05:15] <Reilithion> VMT2007: Yuck.  Out of the question.
[05:15] <VMT2007> Reilithion: rapidshare?
[05:15] <|Amon|> ReinH: Gmail.
[05:15] <voraistos> Reilithion: make your ftp run on port 80
[05:15] <vox754> !ftp
[05:15] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[05:15] <IdleOne> I installed the sun-java5-jre but firefox keeps telling me I need to install JRE. am I missing something?
[05:15] <VMT2007> Reilithion: I have a pretty high-bandwidth but high-latency solution
[05:15] <VMT2007> Burn a DVD and put it in the postal mail.
[05:15] <Reilithion> lol
[05:15] <gizim> lol
[05:16] <Reilithion> nice
[05:16] <xipietotec> Reilithion: http://www.mytempdir.com will temporarily host any file up to 50mb
[05:16] <jedix> how do I get a list of supported modes from my monitor?
[05:16] <Reilithion> What's rapidshare?
[05:16] <|Amon|> VMT2007: i've had friends send me whole copies of hdds... dvds are nothing.
[05:16] <VMT2007> Google it
[05:16] <jedix> they used to be put in /var/log/Xorg.log.0 but not in ubuntu..
[05:16] <Music_Shuffle> IdleOne, there's a sep. package for the FF plugin for it.
[05:16] <VMT2007> I forgot the URL
[05:16] <vox754> !X
[05:16] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:16] <GiZiM> Where is the banner for ssh located? Noob +1
[05:16] <IdleOne> Music_Shuffle, you know what it is?
[05:16] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: nmap calls p80 there filtered.
[05:16] <vox754> !xorg.conf
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <Music_Shuffle> No, its like mozilla-flash or something or the other.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> GiZiM: probably /etc/issue.net
[05:17] <Music_Shuffle> Just search for 'mozilla flash'
[05:17] <GiZiM> Thanks
[05:17] <VMT2007> I wonder though, what's faster: sending a DVD across the country through first-class domestic mail, or downloading the DVD image with a dial-up connection?
[05:17] <kotaro_kuroudo> ``````````````
[05:17] <bruenig> Reilithion, why not create a torrent, and then seed it to him
[05:17] <BrettMeister> Hi, there....
[05:17] <holycow> first class mail actually
[05:17] <vox754> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[05:17] <Reilithion> bruenig: That sounds like a great option.  Do I have to run a tracker on my system as well?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> GiZiM: you have to put your banner there though
[05:17] <IdleOne> VMT2007, mail would be faster
[05:17] <BrettMeister> Does the linux Opera browser work well with Ubuntu?
[05:17] <holycow> or as the old sys admin joke goes ' never underestimate the bandwidth of a van filled with bakup tapes'
[05:17] <voraistos> VMT2007: whatif you use a hard drive instead of a DVD ?
[05:17] <bruenig> Reilithion, no just put on an already existing tracker
[05:18] <vox754> !rapidshare
[05:18] <thoreauputic> !opera
[05:18] <VMT2007> too expensive? :P
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rapidshare - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[05:18] <VMT2007> whoa we're getting carried away
[05:18] <|Amon|> holycow: lol
[05:18] <bruenig> Reilithion, put it on thepriatebay.com, they have a tracker and will allow you to put up anything
[05:18] <VMT2007> BrettMeister: definitely
[05:18] <VMT2007> Reilithion: How big is the file?
[05:18] <Music_Shuffle> holycow, station wagon**!
[05:18] <BrettMeister> Thanks.  I'm having more and more questions about the security of all of the Mozilla products.
[05:19] <VMT2007> BrettMeister: Firefox is very secure
[05:19] <vox754> !Mozilla
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Mozilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <vox754> !Firefox
[05:19] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:19] <voraistos> VMT2007: its a jpeg 320x200 ..... lol
[05:19] <mzuverink_> How do I set a fqdn?
[05:19] <bruenig> Reilithion, you can put it on some really obscure name that nobody will ever want if you want to keep it private. I did it once, I think I called it the 1990 Male Ice Dancing World Championship Qualifiers
[05:19] <Reilithion> VMT2007: I'm basically looking for something that'll replace my way of transferring files completely, so I'll want to transfer files both large and small.
[05:19] <VMT2007> an image? just use imageshack
[05:19] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - filtered? wazzatmean?
[05:20] <vox754> !fqdn
[05:20] <VMT2007> Reilithion: any manner of directly transferring a file between two computers requires ports to be mapped
[05:20] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Can't get through...
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fqdn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <VMT2007> more and more people have NAT routers
[05:20] <voraistos> Reilithion: nfs over internet
[05:20] <VMT2007> and less people know how to configure them
[05:20] <vox754> !nat
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: I can't actually ping that domain though ^_^ Looks like you're blocking that... :(
[05:20] <VMT2007> best option is to just host an FTP server
[05:20] <BrettMeister> Thanks for the courtesy, folks.  Just what I have grown to expect from the Ubuntu community.
[05:20] <Reilithion> voraistos: I hear nfs is pretty gnarly.
[05:20] <vox754> !NAT
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about NAT - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <vox754> !nfs
[05:20] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[05:21] <GiZiM> Is there a way to dump to the console from BitchX?
[05:21] <mzuverink_> !hostname
[05:21] <ubotu> Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly
[05:21] <VMT2007> Reilithion: Or you can get some webspace :P
[05:21] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - yeah, i can't ping localhost.  i have no idea how it's being blocked.
[05:21] <VMT2007> gizim: please don't
[05:21] <VMT2007> !pastebin GiZiM
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin GiZiM - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <voraistos> !nfs is when you imagine yourself, owner of huge servers interconnected with fiber optics :)
[05:21] <VMT2007> !pastebin| GiZiM
[05:21] <ubotu> GiZiM: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:21] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - sorry, i can't ping www.marginallyclever.com either.  i can ping localhost.
[05:21] <kitche> VMT2007: don't know why you telling huim to use pastebing when he wants to go the opposite way
[05:21] <voraistos> !ubuntu
[05:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[05:21] <GiZiM> Oh no no not dump text into bitchx i mean leave bitchx running and i switch to the console im ssh'd to my box
[05:22] <VMT2007> oh
[05:22] <stephan21> anyone know of a good way to convert pngs to xpm
[05:22] <VMT2007> screen
[05:22] <thoreauputic> GiZiM: check out GNU screen
[05:22] <vox754> !gimp
[05:22] <ubotu> An advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[05:22] <|Amon|> advanced
[05:22] <|Amon|> lol
[05:22] <thoreauputic> !screen| GiZiM
[05:22] <ubotu> GiZiM: screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[05:22] <VMT2007> most installations come with screen installed by now
[05:22] <magusknight> What's the best media player?
[05:22] <voraistos> stephn21: i think xpm is vector graphics...
[05:22] <vox754> !vlc
[05:22] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:22] <VMT2007> magusknight: that really depends
[05:22] <|Amon|> Magilla: I like VNC.
[05:23] <|Amon|> vlc
[05:23] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Possibly a router thing then?
[05:23] <|Amon|> magusknight*
[05:23] <Magilla> |Amon|: cool ;P
[05:23] <thoreauputic> !info screen | GiZiM
[05:23] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.2-4.1ubuntu5.6.10 (edgy), package size 570 kB, installed size 976 kB
[05:23] <vox754> !codecs
[05:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:23] <|Amon|> ;c
[05:24] <vox754> !mplayer
[05:24] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[05:24] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[05:24] <VMT2007> now to kick my computer until the sound works
[05:24] <VMT2007> brb
[05:24] <Aggrav8d> darth - router is a dlink POS but routing appears to be set up correctly.
[05:24] <Ardonik> I prefer Audacious.  BMP is old (they're working on BMPx now.)
[05:24] <GiZiM> !beryl
[05:24] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:24] <Ardonik> Audacious is the GTK2 fork of XMMS that still carries the flag of the old guard.
[05:24] <vox754> !Audacious
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Audacious - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <VMT2007> NFS over wireless loves to crash my router
[05:24] <VMT2007> stupid.
[05:24] <Ardonik> You'll like it.
[05:24] <vox754> !bmp
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <vox754> !banshee
[05:25] <VMT2007> it keeps me entertained
[05:25] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:25] <VMT2007> banshee is like iTunes
[05:25] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Okay. Well, I'm not terribly sure. I think you'll have to make sure your router is doing what it's asked :)
[05:25] <VMT2007> doesn't shut the hell up until you tell it to :\
[05:25] <VMT2007> anyway
[05:26] <VMT2007> graphics don't render well on my laptop
[05:26] <VMT2007> it's a VIA VN800 with edgy
[05:26] <vox754> !via
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about via - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <voraistos> I apt-get, You apt-get, He apt-gets, .........
[05:26] <VMT2007> gee thanks, i've looked everywhere and I can't find any documentation
[05:26] <vox754> !X
[05:26] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:26] <VMT2007> that isn't the problem
[05:26] <trinkolade> Banshee looks like almost exactly like Rhythmbox oO and I didn't know about it. Is it good?
[05:26] <VMT2007> and i'm looking for support, not manuals thrown at me
[05:27] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - no idea how, the admin panel says it's doing what it should.
[05:27] <VMT2007> i've looked everywhere
[05:27] <VMT2007> openchrome doesn't work, the driver installed with synaptic doesn't work
[05:28] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: I have a DLink modem/router, and it doesn't behave very well through the admin panel. Telnet is the only trustworthy way.
[05:28] <GiZiM> My kingdom to get my RTL8187 wireless to work
[05:28] <GiZiM> Stupid new motherboards with built in wireless cards
[05:29] <thoreauputic> !wifi
[05:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:29] <GiZiM> I tried all i can try im almost at doing crack
[05:29] <mistone_> I just changed graphics cards is there a way to automajagicly reconfigure my xorg.conf ?
[05:29] <falaris> i
[05:29] <falaris> hello
[05:30] <vox754> !X
[05:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:30] <voraistos> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:31] <thoreauputic> mistone_: what voraistos said, with sudo in front of it :)
[05:31] <xipietotec> how do I find mounted devices?
[05:31] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - how do you telnet your commands to it?
[05:31] <mistone_> yea
[05:31] <PeanutHorst> xipietotec: cat /etv/fsta
[05:31] <vox754> !mount
[05:31] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:31] <PeanutHorst> cat /etc/fstab
[05:31] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: telnet <IP_ADDRESS>, login, help!
[05:31] <thoreauputic> xipietotec: type mount in a terminal or run sudo fdisk -l to see all your devices
[05:31] <ablyss> shell comamnd 'df' shows mounted partitions
[05:31] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Well, mine's at <IP_ADDRESS>, anyway.
[05:31] <vox754> !df
[05:31] <ubotu> Graphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T
[05:32] <vox754> !fdisk
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <xipietotec> thankyou! now if I only knew which one my GPS receiver was
[05:32] <ablyss> !du
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about du - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <GiZiM> Anybody know of a way to watch what someone is doing when they are remoted into the box? like if someone is remoted in thru ssh is there a way i can "watch" what they are doing?
[05:33] <mistone_> how do I figure out the bus ID for AGP cards?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> guys, ubotu doesn't knowevery *nix command :)
[05:33] <kitche> GiZiM: with screen
[05:33] <Aggrav8d> DarthLappy - pm
[05:33] <GiZiM> I need to read up on that
[05:34] <thoreauputic> GiZiM: did you note ubotu's URLs for screen info?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> !screen | GiZiM
[05:34] <ubotu> GiZiM: screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[05:34] <SeraVitae> has anyone here managed to get Imlib2 working in ubuntu?
[05:34] <GiZiM> Yeah i got it
[05:34] <GiZiM> Thanks
[05:34] <thoreauputic> OK
[05:34] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: Sure.
[05:34] <SeraVitae> when i configure it iget "fatal error: no FreeType detected" yet i have freetype installed
[05:34] <holycow> or you can just ctrl / shift / t to open up tabs in terminal
[05:35] <holycow> ctrl / shift / w to close tab
[05:35] <vox754> !shell
[05:35] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:35] <z9999> Does anyone know why Firefox 2 is not available on the package manager? The firefox web site claims it has been available for a while now.
[05:35] <vox754> !firefox
[05:35] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:35] <xipietotec> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38311/ if anyone could tell me which of those might be my GPS receiver (if any) It would be appreciated
[05:35] <velasco_> hi people, again
[05:35] <thoreauputic> z9999: it;s available in edgy
[05:35] <kitche> SeraVitae: why not just install the ubuntu pacakge?
[05:35] <kitche> z9999: also in dapper-backports
[05:36] <SeraVitae> kitche - because when I compile this piece of software, PiDiP, it says it can't find Imlib2.
[05:36] <SeraVitae> i have the associated Imlib2 package already installed
[05:36] <thoreauputic> SeraVitae: you need -dev packages, probably
[05:36] <kitche> SeraVitae: do you have the -dev package also? since it's looking for that
[05:36] <SeraVitae> I have those installed too
[05:36] <SeraVitae> wait
[05:37] <vox754> !dev
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <vox754> !Imlib2
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Imlib2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <thoreauputic> SeraVitae: try  apt-cache search imlib2 | grep dev
[05:37] <kitche> !fishing|vox754
[05:37] <ubotu> vox754: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:37] <velasco_> Is it really possible to install Berley's package in dapper release of Ubuntu?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> !info imlib2-dev
[05:37] <ubotu> Package imlib2-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[05:37] <thoreauputic> hmm
[05:37] <SeraVitae> Okay i found the problem
[05:38] <kitche> velasco_: Berley you mean beryl? and yes it is
[05:38] <SeraVitae> except now it's missing more packages heh. *sorts that out*
[05:38] <velasco_> ops... sorry... Beryl!
[05:38] <kitche> velasco_: beryl wiki tells you how to
[05:38] <z9999> We're running 6.06 and very new, so have been relying on the package manager to do all updates, which appears to require little or no knowledge on our part.
[05:38] <z9999> Thanks for the direction vox754, we will read that info and see if it doesn't solve the problem. Just trying to keep everything up to date and working well.
[05:39] <velasco_> I tried! But I couldn't find the package...
[05:39] <vox754> !beryl
[05:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:39] <velasco_> I did everything right.. I am sure
[05:40] <holycow> velasco_, we can't really help with very buggy pre alpha software
[05:40] <holycow> try the friendly beryl channels
[05:41] <velasco_> holycow, I see.
[05:41] <lupine_85> velasco_: yes, beryl can be installed in dapper
[05:41] <lupine_85> Trevinho has an SVN dapper repository
[05:41] <kitche> holycow: don't know why you call beryl pre alpha when it's not compzi is more pre alpha then beryl is
[05:41] <velasco_> Could you tell me what is the beryl channel, please?
[05:42] <lupine_85> velasco_: #ubuntu-xgl :) I'll be in there
[05:42] <velasco_> lupine_85, Trevinho?
[05:42] <vox754> !beryl
[05:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:42] <lupine_85> yeah. I'll get you the link
[05:42] <malt> since i installed a bandwidth cap on my ubuntu server on apache, does the site still load fast www.m4lt.com/~nugz/
[05:42] <holycow> kitche, because it is, because it is buggy and basically sucky.  its a great experiment and should be treated as such
[05:42] <velasco_> thanks people!
[05:42] <holycow> kitche, that way we can make sure that newbies don't end up expecting a finished s upported product, they go into the experience expecting to haveto deal with bugs
[05:43] <holycow> why do you think there are so many beryl questions here? its not because it works
[05:43] <holycow> -_-
[05:43] <xipietotec> anyone have any familiarity getting GPS receivers to work with Ubuntu?
[05:45] <kitche> holycow but it does work just that ubuntu doesn't have it in it's repos and such at least on an nvidia it works out of the box if you use the 9xxx drivers
[05:45] <holycow> no
[05:45] <holycow> it doesn't work
[05:45] <vox754> no
[05:45] <holycow> it works for some, sometimes
[05:45] <VMT2007> awesome my screen's blank
[05:46] <holycow> i think its important to know HOW to frame an idea
[05:46] <holycow> which is what that statement is all about
[05:46] <holycow> you want to downsell something you know will have issues
[05:47] <holycow> you want to upsell those things that really are proven to work well
[05:47] <robert_> holycow, it's holycow! :P
[05:47] <VMT2007> xipietotec: i've seen a GPS program in the repos
[05:47] <holycow> telling noobs anything other than its buggy and pre alpha i think is irresoponsible.  its great if they try it, they should simply have an understanding that some problems may arise
[05:47] <holycow> robert_, hola
[05:48] <robert_> :P
[05:48] <VMT2007> ugh
[05:48] <VMT2007> how do I get rid of that splash screen
[05:48] <vox754> !splash
[05:48] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image using !gconf-editor
[05:48] <VMT2007> not that
[05:48] <VMT2007> the "ubuntu" thing
[05:48] <Acu> Greetings, I want to buy a Laptop to run Ubuntu or Debian - I find strangely that the Laptops with Linux are more expensive than those with Windows - also I wonder whether Intel core 2 duo is better than Turion X2 - also I wonder if it is significant diference between Turion X2 and Turion
[05:48] <vox754> !grub
[05:48] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:49] <VMT2007> ugh
[05:49] <VMT2007> wow, don't even take time to listen
[05:49] <VMT2007> just pull out pretyped messages
[05:49] <vox754> !yes
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <holycow> VMT2007, that is the answer
[05:49] <VMT2007> I mean that thing that replaces the bootup sequence
[05:50] <holycow> VMT2007, you seriously believe you are the first one to ask the question?
[05:50] <VMT2007> just shows the ubuntu logo and that progress bar
[05:50] <holycow> correct
[05:50] <holycow> follow the instructions above pls
[05:50] <vox754> !boot
[05:50] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:50] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: change the quiet splash on the kernel line in /bott/grub/menu.lst
[05:50] <VMT2007> ah
[05:50] <thoreauputic> umm * /boot
[05:51] <VMT2007> a good answer for once.
[05:51] <VMT2007> that's all I needed, not redirection to a huge wiki page
[05:51] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: when did you first notice your attitude problem ? *grin*
[05:51] <VMT2007> I have one?
[05:51] <frogzoo> !patience | VMT2007
[05:51] <ubotu> VMT2007: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:51] <vox754> !bum
[05:51] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:51] <VMT2007> I just don't like it when people are being so condescending as to just throw a bunch of manuals at you
[05:52] <holycow> giving you answers isn't condascending
[05:52] <holycow> we do this for free
[05:52] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: we are trying - so are you :)
[05:52] <DarthLappy> Aggrav8d: ping?
[05:52] <holycow> we arent' here to holdyour hand or be friends with you or have a coffee and chat
[05:52] <holycow> you have questions we have answers
[05:52] <holycow> everyone asks exactly the same questions over and over and over
[05:52] <VMT2007> but that isn't an answer, that's just being directed to a manual
[05:53] <holycow> no that is the answer
[05:53] <VMT2007> it's like simply putting +m on the channel and changing the topic to the wiki URL
[05:53] <thoreauputic> VMT2007: chill, please
[05:53] <holycow> manuals hold all theinfo you need
[05:53] <holycow> VMT2007, in all acxtually you got it
[05:53] <holycow> this channel really doesn't need to exist, most of the info is actually on the wiki
[05:53] <frogzoo> usually the help pages are better explained & more complete & why should people have to reenter the same answers to the same questions again and again?
[05:53] <vox754> !sorry
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sorry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <DarthLappy> holycow: Most. But some users need live support :)
[05:54] <holycow> DarthLappy, true, absolutely
[05:54] <vox754> !support
[05:54] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[05:54] <vox754> !forums
[05:54] <VMT2007> besides I'm unfamiliar with grub and Linux as a whole -- I've been using FBSD a lot longer
[05:54] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[05:54] <frogzoo> DarthLappy: the reason this channel works is because it allows users to be directed to the relevant docs
[05:55] <VMT2007> sometimes documentation doesn't cut it
[05:55] <thoreauputic> that's cool - but do realise that we do our best and there are 823 other people here
[05:55] <holycow> true but expecting someone else to do the reading for you
[05:55] <holycow> and spit out an answer is really not cool either
[05:55] <DarthLappy> frogzoo: True.
[05:55] <frogzoo> thoreauputic: not good enough - I want my money back :)
[05:55] <thoreauputic> OK I think the point has been made
[05:55] <thoreauputic> frogzoo: heheh - exactly :)
[05:56] <vox754> !users
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about users - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <VMT2007> anyway I'm sorry but I'm just too used to working with a seriously manual transmission computer, if that analogy fits
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[05:57] <thoreauputic> vox754: please don;t just guess what factoids ubotu mu=ight have in his brain :)
[05:57] <imperfectus> Anyone know if linux is trying to use my windows mobile device somehow ?
[05:57] <voraistos> lol dude calm down
[05:57] <imperfectus> mounting it or something such thing and how I could stop it
[05:57] <vox754> ?
[05:58] <imperfectus> Well
[05:58] <vox754> !mount
[05:58] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:58] <thoreauputic> !botabuse
[05:58] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:58] <imperfectus> I can't seem to get even basic functionality from the phone when I plug it
[05:58] <imperfectus> and I just want to use it under VMware
[05:58] <vox754> !Bot
[05:58] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot.  Just cool off :) Reminds me of gnomefreak sometimes :P
[05:59] <vox754> !gnomefreak
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnomefreak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <thoreauputic> vox754: I'll ungag you in aminute - stop abusing the bot
[06:00] <voraistos> botabuse.com pictures, videos, etc ...
[06:00] <lupine_85> poor bot
[06:01] <VMT2007> yeah, congesting the channel with that
[06:01] <voraistos> ubotu should join the bot liberation front one of these days.
[06:02] <thoreauputic> vox754: don't ping me, don't ctcp me
[06:02] <ubuntu> usually I use ubuntu (edgy) but my laptop went wrong the other day so I've been using my friends laptop which she lent me. I ordered kubuntu a few months back (the free cd's) and I have to say, i am *very* impressed with this kubuntu system, it is flawless!!... (Using 6.06 LTS)
[06:02] <mistone_>  ok so I got my nvidia DVI output connected to  a DVI to HDMI connected to my HD LCD TV
[06:02] <mistone_>  however I can't get the resolution higher then 800X600
[06:02] <VMT2007>  /silence him?
[06:03] <mistone_> WHAT DO I DO'S :(
[06:03] <lupine_85> 800x600 rings a bell as being the correct resolution for a TV...
[06:04] <mistone_> no no
[06:04] <mistone_> HD LCD TV
[06:04] <lupine_85> still, have you tried deleting all the modelines except the highest one ?
[06:04] <VMT2007> I'll help you #ubuntu style
[06:04] <VMT2007> !X
[06:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:04] <voraistos> rah cmon dude cheer up !
[06:04] <mistone_> I did all tht
[06:04] <ubuntu> is there any way of setting up XGL/compiz/ using the live CD of kubuntu?
[06:05] <lupine_85> ubuntu: only if it'll fit in the rather tight confines of the ramdisc
[06:05] <mistone_> it still says 800x600 and 640x480 only
[06:05] <lupine_85> still, worth a shot I guess. Just follow the wiki but /don't/ reboot :p
[06:05] <ubuntu> lupine_85:  well, I'll give it a try :).. using an ATI graphics card.
[06:05] <ubuntu> lupine_85:  lol, nah, that's assumed :P where'sthis wiki ?
[06:05] <voraistos> ubuntu: good luck
[06:06] <ubuntu> voraistos:  cheers!
[06:06] <voraistos> check out the radeon driver page on the wiki
[06:06] <VMT2007> hmm
[06:06] <lupine_85> wiki.beryl-project.org
[06:06] <VMT2007> you guys know how FreeBSD has the X configuration script?
[06:06] <voraistos> nope, i said that because i did most of it :P
[06:06] <ubuntu> lupine_85:  thanks
[06:06] <VMT2007> Xorg-config or something like that?
[06:06] <lupine_85> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[06:06] <VMT2007> does any package include it?
[06:06] <lupine_85> erm, xserver-core
[06:07] <lupine_85> IIRC
[06:07] <holycow> close
[06:07] <holycow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:07] <mistone_> I already did tha
[06:07] <mistone_> *tha
[06:08] <holycow> mistone_, that was for VMT2007 i have no idea how to setup output for hdtv displays
[06:08] <VMT2007> they used to call it XFree86
[06:08] <mistone_> oh
[06:08] <VMT2007> now what's with this xorg thing
[06:08] <mistone_> same shiznat :O
[06:09] <slicky> *fart* :$
[06:09] <voraistos> xfree? is that still in dev ?
[06:09] <holycow> VMT2007, xorg forked off of xfree when the xfree maintainer decided to be a prick
[06:09] <holycow> or rather people just got tired of hime
[06:09] <holycow> since then xorg has modularized and worked on stuff that should of been done 10 years ago
[06:09] <holycow> i.e. catching up
[06:10] <VMT2007> alright i'm stuck
[06:10] <VMT2007> I have a synaptics mousepad
[06:10] <VMT2007> which mouse protocol is that
[06:10] <vox754> I read that in Ubuntu 6.06 it was /etc/XFree86/ but in 6.10 it is /etc/X11/
[06:10] <VMT2007> touchpad, rather. lol.
[06:11] <holycow> !synaptics
[06:11] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[06:11] <voraistos> everything is there :)
[06:11] <holycow> VMT2007, i think you are getting the idea, try chatting ubotu also it will sav eyou time
[06:11] <ubuntu> vox754:  are you talking to me?.. i'm the guy using kubuntu and trying to get compiz/xgl to work on live cd
[06:12] <voraistos> nah dapper is /etc/X11
[06:12] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: vox754 has it wrong - both 6.06 and 6.10 use xoeg, not xfree86
[06:12] <thoreauputic> *xorg
[06:12] <ubuntu> thoreauputic:  what guide should I be following?.. could you link me?
[06:13] <vox754> I recently read something like that in the ubuntu gides for reconfiguring X
[06:13] <holycow> its been /etc/x11 since for ever
[06:13] <holycow> as far i know it has been like that since debian potato
[06:13] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: sorry i don't know about xgl etc - but I think there's a #ubuntu-xgl
[06:13] <VMT2007> please work...
[06:13] <VMT2007> oh awesome, stupid via driver
[06:13] <voraistos> yeah, ubuntu, unlike Debian, has always been using xorg. However i heard Debian had xorg in their comunity repos ?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: yes, just checked
[06:14] <thoreauputic> voraistos: debian sid has xorg, at least
[06:14] <Acu> HELP: I want to buy a Desktop and Laptop (Preferably with AMD X2) without OS or with Linux - so far what I found was $200 more expensive if you get it without  than if you buy it with windows - is puzzling - anyhow maybe someone have some good hints - I really appreciate anyhelp
[06:14] <ubuntu> thoreauputic:  im not great at linux, so, if you have any guide to help...
[06:15] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: try joining #ubuntu-xgl and asking the experts :)
[06:15] <idlemind> have you tried custom building on a vendors website
[06:15] <zspada15> where do i file bug reports for bots?
[06:15] <VMT2007> Acu: http://www.dell.com/linux
[06:15] <thoreauputic> zspada15: I think there are bot bugs on launchpad
[06:15] <voraistos> just talk to the bot, it will file report itself
[06:15] <thoreauputic> !launchpad
[06:15] <VMT2007> I wonder if any manufacturers do OEM ubuntu machines
[06:15] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[06:16] <holycow> Acu, build the desktop your self, you never really want to buy a name brand.  they will put whatever parts they want randomly into them so name brand boxes are useless
[06:16] <VMT2007> Acu: Have you looked at linuxcertified?
[06:16] <VMT2007> And yes, manufacturers like to throw in cheap parts.
[06:16] <VMT2007> very generic crap
[06:16] <holycow> Acu, for laptops stick with all intel chipsets and video as well.  asus sells laptops in kits as well that you can put together i can get you a link
[06:17] <thoreauputic> heh ubuntu waited a whole 2 minutes in #ubuntu-xgl before leaving...
[06:17] <VMT2007> yes, intel chipsets, definitely
[06:17] <voraistos> yeah intel rocks for laptops
[06:17] <VMT2007> AVOID via chipsets
[06:17] <VMT2007> at all costs
[06:17] <holycow> http://anitec.ca/product/6736/asus_z96js_intel_945pm_core_duo_barebone_notebook_*free_2nd_year_warranty_upgrade*/
[06:17] <holycow> you want a barebone system
[06:17] <holycow> that one is not intel chipset ... ati so stay away from that
[06:17] <VMT2007> dell is good though
[06:17] <holycow> but you want to start off iwth a barebone or go with as they said linux certified
[06:18] <VMT2007> Linuxcertified can sell you a laptop pre-configured with Debian
[06:18] <VMT2007> I'm not sure about Ubuntu, you'd probably have to pay them a bit
[06:18] <VMT2007> this via driver isn't working for crap, ugh
[06:18] <voraistos> no, dell is bad. They know what cheap parts are about.
[06:19] <Acu> holycow: I used to build workstations - nowadays if you have no "dealer price" you end up paying 20% more for the hardware - but I am willing to look at - let me follow this linuxcertified - so far were outrageusly expensive
[06:19] <VMT2007> thing is
[06:19] <holycow> Acu, the point is, if you look at the price of a barebone laptops, that is as cheap as you will get with laptops ... any EXACT SAME win laptop will cost 100 bucks more at least so you save right there
[06:19] <holycow> Acu, not true
[06:19] <Life> for some reason while shutting down the server
[06:19] <zspada15> isnt this a support channel?
[06:19] <holycow> Acu, i am a reseller, dealers don't make shit on components
[06:19] <Life> the server gets stuck at "Stopping postfix" and it just stays like that
[06:20] <Life> pressing ctrl+z, ctrl+X, or ctrl+c does nothing
[06:20] <thoreauputic> !patience
[06:20] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:20] <VMT2007> the companies that manufacture Linux systems are generally small and will typically be more expensive
[06:20] <Life> thanks in advance
[06:20] <holycow> Acu, we are actually starting to buy retail ... paying 8% markup is really not worth the time going through the signup process for becoming a reseller
[06:20] <zspada15> !offtopic
[06:20] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:22] <voraistos> yo
[06:22] <wason> hi
[06:23] <voraistos> Hello
[06:23] <wason> hello
[06:23] <vox754> I just checked what I said about X11 and XFree, I misinterpretation from my part.
[06:23] <kylevan> hey, does anyone have experience following the UndervoltingHowto for Edgy on the wiki?
[06:24] <wason> I'm searching for #ubuntu-th can anyone help?
[06:24] <VMT2007> thai?
[06:24] <wason>
[06:24] <wason> yes thai
[06:24] <VMT2007> no clue man
[06:24] <Madpilot> !th
[06:24] <robert_> is there a way I can make the system motd not display for certain users?
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about th - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <VMT2007> !thai
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thai - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <voraistos> seems not to exist ...
[06:25] <Madpilot> wason, doesn't seem like there is an #ubuntu-th - but feel free to start one
[06:25] <VMT2007> sorry, i only speak english and spanish.
[06:25] <VMT2007> :\
[06:25] <wason> that's right
[06:25] <Life> hi, for some reason my server just stops at "stopping postfix" while shutting down, how can i get past this so that i can finally shut down my server?
[06:25] <Shadow_mil> WHY DOES JAVA KEEP CRASHING!?!  http://shadowmil.is-a-geek.org/hs_err_pid31103.log
[06:25] <Music_Shuffle> !caps
[06:25] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[06:25] <Shadow_mil> sorry...
[06:25] <jrattner> QUESTION: Where can I find GDM themes for my login screen?
[06:26] <Music_Shuffle> ...
[06:26] <Music_Shuffle> !caps | jrattner
[06:26] <ubotu> jrattner: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[06:26] <Shadow_mil> been trying to solve this problem for like a week now
[06:26] <VMT2007> jrattner: http://gnome-look.org is good imo
[06:26] <voraistos> hehe
[06:26] <wason> thx everybody, bye...
[06:26] <wason> exit
[06:26] <vox754> Important: which irc client are you using? which do you recomend?
[06:26] <trinkolade> Life, does syslog say anything? You might try to put a kill -9 statement to the init-script
[06:26] <jrattner> thanks VMT2007
[06:26] <thoreauputic> !gnome-art | jrattner
[06:26] <ubotu> gnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-3 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB
[06:26] <Life> tinkolade: right now it's stuck at "stopping postfix", i just want to get past that so i can restart my server so i can reinstall the OS
[06:26] <vox754> !irc
[06:26] <Life> CTRL+Z, X, or C doesn't work
[06:26] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[06:27] <Acu> holycow: can you give me other laptop barebone site because the http://anitec.ca/product/6736/asus_z96js_intel_945pm_core_duo_barebone_notebook_*free_2nd_year_warranty_upgrade*/  is far more expensive than if you just buy the laptop full featured at hp or dell ?
[06:28] <holycow> Acu, no
[06:28] <holycow> heh
[06:28] <Music_Shuffle> laptops are pretty cheap these days.
[06:28] <holycow> Acu, all i can tell you is that what you are looking for.  you need to search for the rest
[06:28] <trinkolade> Life, I don't know,  the power switch?
[06:28] <Music_Shuffle> Just buy one.
[06:29] <holycow> actually DON'T do what Music_Shuffle just told you
[06:29] <holycow> that is the single worst piece of advice EVER
[06:29] <Music_Shuffle> Why not?
[06:29] <trinkolade> Life, does it hang like in a loop or does it hang like BSoD?
[06:29] <holycow> laptops are finicky devices that you need to research before buying if you intend on using linux on them
[06:29] <holycow> you REALLY need to know what you are getting
[06:29] <Life> trinolade: let me show you a screenshot
[06:29] <Music_Shuffle> They're cheap, he has no idea what he's doing, sounds like a good mix if he reads some reviews or something.
[06:29] <voraistos> this anitec stuff is prtty expensive for just a keyboard, a monitor and a mboard ....
[06:29] <holycow> or you will spend forever trying to figure out buggy software
[06:29] <trinkolade> okay, Life
[06:29] <holycow> Music_Shuffle, wrong
[06:30] <Music_Shuffle> Why not?
[06:30] <holycow> Music_Shuffle, that is okay advice for windows users, drivers exist for their os
[06:30] <Music_Shuffle> If he can't read a review or two to figure out if it works for Linu
[06:30] <Music_Shuffle> Linux*
[06:30] <holycow> for linux users you are telling them to basically take their money and burn it
[06:30] <Music_Shuffle> He's got bigger issues.
[06:30] <holycow> no just stop
[06:30] <thoreauputic> !hardware
[06:30] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[06:30] <holycow> what thoreauputic said, thats a good start
[06:31] <kylevan> speaking of laptops...
[06:31] <voraistos> At those prices its best to buy a mac !
[06:31] <PeanutHorst> lol
[06:31] <PeanutHorst> :p
[06:31] <holycow> depends on how you look at it
[06:31] <kylevan> anyone know why "debian/rules updateconfigs" fails when trying to apply the PHC patch for undervolting my Sonoma Pentium M?
[06:31] <holycow> i wouldn't take a mac if you gave it to me for free
[06:31] <PeanutHorst> 5 pc, 3 pc64, 2 mac :)
[06:31] <Music_Shuffle> Your opinion depends how you look at it too.
[06:31] <Music_Shuffle> ..
[06:31] <holycow> mac hardware is horrible restricted
[06:31] <thoreauputic> you can run Ubuntu PPC on an iBook G4 ( I do ) :)
[06:31] <holycow> but that only applies tomy use case
[06:31] <PeanutHorst> holycow: i would
[06:32] <Acu> I just went to linuxcertified - they are a joke - with 1300 bucks they sell you a laptop and it seem they are thiefs...
[06:32] <Life> http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3471/hangqe7.jpg
[06:32] <voraistos> holycow: me neither :P
[06:32] <holycow> Acu, then you really are in the wrong place unfortunately
[06:32] <holycow> Acu, you should just stick with windows
[06:32] <thoreauputic> holycow: nice advocacy there ;-)
[06:32] <z9999> kitche Earlier you mentioned that firefox 2 was available in dapper-backports, and we have all repositories enabled, but see no listing for firefox 2. After reading the help site instructions, we would prefer to not go through all those steps, and find additional complications there, so is there an easier method of upgrading to firefox 2? Or better yet, will it be made available on the...
[06:32] <z9999> ...package manager any time soon?
[06:33] <voraistos> holycow: no actually, i would accept it, sell it to a poor guy, and buy 2 pc's for the same price lol
[06:33] <kylevan> anyone have any idea on troubleshooting a kernel patch that won't work?
[06:33] <holycow> voraistos, heh
[06:33] <voraistos> z9999 : just go to the mozilla website .....
[06:34] <trinkolade> Life, doesn't look good. Can you still access the server over ssh or something like this? Try to kill it somehow
[06:35] <trinkolade> Life, I don't have a clue what you could do
[06:35] <holycow> thoreauputic, heh, he is comparing wrong hardware specs with wrong models and comming to the wrong conclusions.  indeed,  advocacy fails in that area.
[06:35] <Acu> the irony is that 99 percent of people in this chat have paid microsoft their dues - and they are going to do it in foreseeable future -
[06:35] <holycow> Acu, actually thats wrong
[06:35] <thoreauputic> holycow: ;-)
[06:35] <holycow> most people in this channel have never paid ms a dime
[06:35] <holycow> trust me on this
[06:35] <Music_Shuffle> He has a point if you've ever bought an OEM PC.
[06:35] <lupine_85> most of the people in this channel will have used teh illegal MS :p
[06:35] <z9999> voraistos: Thanks, but that is where we are coming from. It appears that the firefox in ubuntu is made special for ubuntu so it's not just a simple procedure of replacing the existing version.
[06:35] <holycow> correcto
[06:35] <Music_Shuffle> Or used one really.
[06:35] <Acu> holycow: 100 percent pay their dues  to Microsoft ?
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Acu: build your own, buy a white box PC without OS
[06:36] <thoreauputic> or whatever...
[06:36] <Music_Shuffle> thoreauputic, he wanted a laptop.
[06:36] <holycow> no
[06:36] <holycow> he wanted help on desktop and laptop
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Music_Shuffle: then he should google for linusx laptops, and hardware compatibility
[06:36] <Music_Shuffle> Which is like.../google 'laptop linux' and read everything you can find.
[06:36] <Life> trinkolade: no
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Music_Shuffle: I already gave a link
[06:37] <lupine_85> how about http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ ?
[06:37] <lupine_85> 600 and such
[06:37] <voraistos> z9999: yeah but the original firefox just works as well .... They explain on the wiki how to do it ...
[06:37] <Music_Shuffle> I know, I didn't say otherwise. If you just go buy a PC without reading about it, you're only hurting yourself. :/
[06:37] <thoreauputic> here's another  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[06:37] <FilipeOliveira> hi, i replaced an ide hard drive with an sata, after making a ghost copyof all partitions (swap, ext3 (ubunutu system, ntfs(other os)). after this i rebooted, grub loaded fine, pointed and booted the other os perfectly, however did not boot ubuntu, it stopped after "starting..." is it possible that with the upgrade grub is looking for ubuntu in another location? if so will booting with a live cd, running fdisk to see where my partitions are, editing
[06:37] <FilipeOliveira> mtab and fstab if they are different suffice to get it booting again?? thanks
[06:38] <Acu> Music_Shuffle: google is common sense but the reality is sad - all what I found is that linux laptops are 30$ more expensive than Microsoft Laptops, which is a paradox
[06:38] <Music_Shuffle> Err, you mean 30%*?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Acu: check  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[06:38] <z9999> voraistos: Ok, thanks and I guess we will just stay with the <IP_ADDRESS> version for now.
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Acu: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[06:39] <holycow> Acu, its not a paradox, you just don't know how to compare laptops properly
[06:39] <voraistos> z9999: you can also visit this page http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/web/
[06:39] <holycow> your comparing one brannd against another but not checking the specs of the motherboard
[06:39] <trinkolade> Life, it seems like it really got stuck
[06:39] <holycow> and i know why your not doing it
[06:39] <Ninja_Dylock> is there a way to save the position of programs when i login?
[06:40] <holycow> because manufacturers don't actually give you enough info to do it
[06:40] <voraistos> z9999 They are the packages for edgy, but they should work on dapper with a little bit of help
[06:40] <Life> trinkolade: anything i can do to get it moving?
[06:40] <holycow> your talking some nonsense about dell yet dell doesn't give you any usefull information on systems to do a proper eval and comparison
[06:40] <lupine_85> it seems that, all else being equal, a linux laptop is 59.95 cheaper than a Window laptop
[06:40] <thoreauputic> I believe Thinkpads are favoured by many as Linux laptops
[06:41] <holycow> what you haveto do is take a brand barebone system and then add the price of windows to it
[06:41] <holycow> thats your comparison
[06:41] <Music_Shuffle> lupine_85, link? I didn't see any I liked. :/
[06:41] <lupine_85> erm, 58.75 rather :p
[06:41] <voraistos> z9999: of course you can dl them from there :)
[06:41] <lupine_85> http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/laptops/#pid81963
[06:41] <Music_Shuffle> thoreauputic, and most sites seem to support that view too.
[06:41] <PeanutHorst> ibm thinkpads?
[06:41] <lupine_85> all else being equal... :p
[06:41] <PeanutHorst> gimme
[06:41] <PeanutHorst> also, toshiba satellites aren't bad for running linux
[06:42] <Music_Shuffle> lupine_85, lol! Nice catch xD
[06:42] <trinkolade> Life, no, I don't think so. Is it a remote server or do you have access to the power switch somehow?
[06:42] <holycow> actually all those answers are wrong
[06:42] <holycow> the brand name is irrelevant
[06:42] <z9999> voraistos: We're using dapper, and not linux literate, so are trying to keep things as simple as possible. Plus we are located in an area where human support is not available and cannot take any chance of making the system inoperable.
[06:42] <lupine_85> acer can be a bit hit 'n miss but the one I have is ++
[06:42] <holycow> all that is relevant for linux compatability on laptops are the chipsets
[06:42] <holycow> you don't buy for the name brand
[06:42] <holycow> you buy for the chipset
[06:42] <holycow> and for linux generally the idea is to only buy models with ALL intel chipsets
[06:42] <holycow> its theonly way to guarantee compatability
[06:43] <Music_Shuffle> Why does that make our answers 'wrong'?
[06:43] <Acu> holycow: I do not think you need to be a genius to compare to laptops - there are only 14 or so features which determine the performance (and price) - I was talking of similar features - do not get me wrong - I use a Pentium 4 laptop and a pentium 4 desktop runing Debian and two powerpc runing ubuntu - but for all of those I have paid the microsoft and mcintosh the OS - even I do not use it - I really want to buy a laptop and a desktop but real
[06:43] <Acu> ly all the linux offers are so out of wack with regard to price and features
[06:43] <Crell> Hey all.  I'm having an issue installing (K)Ubuntu 6.10.  Every time I try to boot the CD, it takes it upwards of 10 minutes to think about what it claims are hdc errors (hdc is the CDROM drive), and USB errors if various USB devices are plugged in, then finally boots to a completely garbled display.
[06:43] <Music_Shuffle> DIfferent != wrong.
[06:43] <Crell> It's functional because I get sound and common keyboard commands kinda work, but the display is just a frizz of colors.
[06:43] <VMT2007> oh my god
[06:43] <liberion> hey guys do they have a package for FretsOnFire yet?
[06:43] <holycow> its wrong because all manufactures follow one rule exclusively in manufacturing - its more important to get a product quantity out the door than make a good solid engineering decision and keep your model configs stable
[06:43] <VMT2007> randrproto, renderproto, fontsproto
[06:43] <lupine_85> of course, you could by $any_pc and request a refund from microsft as per their EULA
[06:43] <VMT2007> what is that stuff
[06:44] <lupine_85> (if you don't agree, request a refund, etc...)
[06:44] <lupine_85> not many people have luck with that, though
[06:44] <holycow> those of us that have bought dell in the past know that you can buy dells any time and they will randomly stuff weird ass components and mobos depeding on availability
[06:44] <holycow> if dell doesn't have a component they will just go out and buy whatever is available
[06:44] <Crell> I've tried changing the default video setting, but it's always the same.  The video card is an nvidia 6600 GT.  Any ideas?
[06:44] <holycow> the same is true of all manufacturers actually
[06:44] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[06:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:44] <holycow> thus you don't buy for the brand, thats wrong because you are really doing nothing more than throwing dice
[06:45] <Music_Shuffle> But we're just telling him that some manufacturers have a far higher rate of success with Linux, like the Thinkpad series. A simple google search would solve his entire question, and give him SO much more than we can tell him in material.
[06:45] <holycow> you want to buy laptops first for the chipset, then work your way out to the rest of the features
[06:45] <holycow> yes an dyou are wrong
[06:45] <Crell> I can't install drivers if the OS won't even boot in the first place, even in VGA mode.
[06:45] <holycow> infact thats what i used to think too
[06:45] <thoreauputic> OK I think the laptop debate has gone about long enough :) Feel free to argue in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:45] <holycow> it really turns out to be bad advice, thats all i'm suggesting
[06:46] <Music_Shuffle> If he just goes by what we say and doesn't read up at all, then its OUR fault? The entire OS is based around not just taking stuff for granted and reading up on it. Not that hard.
[06:46] <Music_Shuffle> thoreauputic, k. ./End. ;p
[06:46] <voraistos> Crell: what is your hardware ? chipset, graphics card ...
[06:46] <holycow> thank you captain obvious.  ./end
[06:46] <thoreauputic> just take it to -offtopic - it's legitimate but it's getting to be too much I think
[06:46] <Music_Shuffle> Cute. A flame to end it.   VIA's like, the #1 chipset out there.
[06:48] <VMT2007> Crell: Well, I'm not laughing.
[06:48] <voraistos> Crell: it certainly is the chipset.... i am afraid i cant help you on that ...
[06:48] <Crell> Nor I.
[06:48] <VMT2007> I'm stuck using that generic vesa driver
[06:48] <holycow> VMT2007, yeah i'm tired of via too
[06:48] <VMT2007> VERY slow rendering
[06:49] <SeraVitae> where's sources.list kept?
[06:49] <VMT2007> OpenChrome doesn't compile
[06:49] <Crell> Not via video, just via BIOS/CMOS/etc.
[06:49] <SeraVitae> oop nevermind
[06:49] <voraistos> Crell: Thing is the ubuntu kernel is pretty much a lot hacked.
[06:49] <VMT2007> and the best anyone does is throw manual pages, brb.
[06:49] <kkerwin> Hi. Does anyone know offhand where I might find an Enemy Territory .deb package? Google isn't being too helpful.
[06:49] <voraistos> Crell: If you try with debian and doesnt get any hdd error or usb problems, then all ou have to do certainly is to get a clean kernel (vanilla)
[06:50] <Crell> 6.06 actually does boot, if I use safe graphics mode.  6.10 won't, however.
[06:50] <voraistos> kkerwin: there is non
[06:50] <Crell> I'm replacing a 4 year-running Ubuntu system.
[06:50] <kkerwin> voraistos: Thanks.
[06:50] <VMT2007> http://pastebin.com/843012
[06:50] <VMT2007> openchrome compile
[06:50] <voraistos> Crell: Would it be by anychance a VIAKT400 ?
[06:51] <zspada15> VMT2007, try running as a normal user
[06:51] <VMT2007> some difference, but okay
[06:51] <Crell> voraistos: Um, not sure.  I'm looking through my BIOS screen to try and find where it says what the chipset is.
[06:51] <Music_Shuffle> No 'Information'-type tab?
[06:52] <SysRq-B> anyone here got a i810+nvidia+beryl dual head setup?  I'm having a problem with nvidia killing i810 glx driver... can't get both at the same time :(
[06:52] <voraistos> certainly in the title Crell
[06:52] <Acu> holycow, VMT2007 and MusicShuffle - thanks for your input - but we should ask ourselves from 823 people in this chat how many we have paid microsoft ? And maybe multiple times. --- We have to end here this discussion but I really think it stinks that we cannot buy easy computers with Linux or without OS...
[06:52] <Crell> No, it's an older Award BIOS.
[06:52] <Crell> Hm, now I have to reboot and watch quickly. :-)
[06:52] <thoreauputic> Acu: you can continue in #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish
[06:53] <Leemur> people can create demand for open source oem systems
[06:53] <Music_Shuffle> Definitely.
[06:53] <bharath> When I try to ssh to a remote machine, it takes about 15 secs to connect. I took a trace and saw that reverse DNS for the IP was taking that much time. I then killed avahi daemon and things are fine now. Is there a permanent way to solve this problem ??
[06:53] <Crell> voraistos: Yep, VIAKT400.
[06:53] <VMT2007> zspada15: same error
[06:53] <Music_Shuffle> Seems to have a buncha issues. =/
[06:53] <zspada15> VMT2007, hmm
[06:53] <Crell> Well, KT400, it doesn't actually say VIA on it, but it's a VIA.
[06:53] <SysRq-B> demand was created for me... 2 years ago, XP died and no free support or downloadable CDs to reinstall (still had my key too, haha) ;)
[06:53] <voraistos> Crell: thank you for this precious information, i am just thinking mine might still be working.
[06:53] <Music_Shuffle> Crell, and you can't...boot?
[06:54] <voraistos> Crell What is the motherboard brand ?
[06:54] <Music_Shuffle> SysRq-B, my key just didn't work one reformat. :/
[06:54] <Crell> Music_Shuffle: Booting 6.10 always gives me garbled video, no matter what video mode I select.  It also takes upwards of 10 min to give errors from hdc that actually begin "huh? Expected NULL".
[06:54] <SysRq-B> Music_Shuffle: that's all it takes.  I have ME laying around on CD somewhere
[06:55] <Gumby> does anyone here use kontact/kmail in an up to date edgy?  it refuses to send email.
[06:55] <Crell> 6.06 works if I use safe video mode, but 6.10 not at all.
[06:55] <Music_Shuffle> And I'm far the better for it. ;P
[06:55] <Acu> thoreauputic: thanks next time I will reinintiate this very pragmatic issue - maybe I should start a forum or website about it - we need badly OSless or Linux systems.... good bye all
[06:55] <SysRq-B> Amen! hehe
[06:55] <VMT2007> i'm really close to throwing that laptop out the window
[06:55] <SysRq-B> Just switching from Suse to Ubuntu yesterday... but can't get dual heads to work properly (glx)
[06:55] <Music_Shuffle> Crell, oh ok. ./Figured out what your issue actually is. xD
[06:55] <zspada15> Acu, whats the problem?
[06:55] <VMT2007> VIA does not publish decent linux drivers
[06:55] <Crell> Music_Shuffle: If you know, please share. :-)
[06:56] <SysRq-B> been on Suse for a while now... I like debian driver support better
[06:56] <Music_Shuffle> No no, I meant I figured out what your question was finally. XDDDD
[06:56] <thedro> hey all. does anyone have an archive of candell's installing ubuntu on ps3?
[06:56] <Crell> VMT2007: Yes, but the kernel team has had support in the kernel forever.  I've been running vanilla kernels for like 3 years.
[06:56] <VMT2007> and I hope to GOD that openchrome supports it
[06:56] <voraistos> Hey the last OS i bought was DOS
[06:56] <VMT2007> I buy Windows
[06:56] <VMT2007> for people who simply aren't proficient enough to use Linux
[06:56] <SysRq-B> Last OS I actually "bought" was Caldera Linux
[06:56] <zspada15> voraistos, wow
[06:57] <VMT2007> Commercial Linuxes suck, IMO.
[06:57] <SysRq-B> Dos was better at that point, quite frankly, heh
[06:57] <elysium444> How can i go in init3 and shut the xserver to install nvidia driver?
[06:57] <thedro> anyone know the ip addy for louiscandell.com?
[06:57] <Crell> elysium444: telinit 3
[06:57] <VMT2007> elysium444: what do you mean?
[06:57] <Music_Shuffle> elysium444, drivers for what as the ultimate goal? Beryl on Edgy? Or just installing them?
[06:57] <voraistos> Hey can you guys imagine all those poor Apple users? Having to pay each update ....
[06:57] <SysRq-B> elysium444: just ctrl-alt-f1
[06:57] <VMT2007> you only need to restart X
[06:58] <VMT2007> ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:58] <SysRq-B> type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[06:58] <elysium444> how can I shut the xserver to install nvidia couse it doesnt install without shutting the x server
[06:58] <Music_Shuffle> Yeah.
[06:58] <elysium444> thanks
[06:58] <PeanutHorst> yo y'all
[06:58] <SysRq-B> For Nvidia install, you have to be outside X11 for a few minutes
[06:58] <PeanutHorst> i'm pushing ubuntu
[06:58] <thedro> anyone install ubuntu on the ps3 yet?
[06:58] <VMT2007> I didn't
[06:58] <Music_Shuffle> .oY
[06:58] <SysRq-B> or...
[06:58] <Crell> So why would Edgy be the first Ubuntu that wouldn't boot?  I've booted all kinds of live CDs on this box before without incident.
[06:58] <SysRq-B> --no-x-check
[06:58] <VMT2007> I installed it while using gnome terminal
[06:58] <SysRq-B> do --no-x-check
[06:58] <VMT2007> without that flag
[06:58] <elysium444> I know thank I have to do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[06:58] <PeanutHorst> my system has a AMD K6-2/366 and 96MB RAM
[06:59] <PeanutHorst> everything else passes muster
[06:59] <voraistos> Crell: i am pretty sure it is kernel related. just try by anymean to run  vanilla kernel, and if it works, then you know where the problem is
[06:59] <Music_Shuffle> Crell, your gfx doesn't like it perhaps? =/
[06:59] <PeanutHorst> is there anything i should be aware of?
[06:59] <SysRq-B> elysium444: you can test after that with "startx" but it won't do a login manager
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Crell: telinit 3 won't do anything on Ubuntu or Debian - default runlevel is 2
[06:59] <thedro> no one here has a ps3?
[06:59] <zspada15> good thing im getting an intel chipset
[06:59] <Music_Shuffle> Crell, when does it hang?
[06:59] <PeanutHorst> this is a toshiba satellite 2060CDS by the way
[06:59] <matsyes> hi i have a question regarding the alias command
[06:59] <voraistos> uh? that was released ?
[06:59] <Crell> Music_Shuffle, voraistos: Until Tuesday this box was running Debian Sid with a vanilla kernel and the nvidia binary driver and was working just fine.  No problems at all like this.
[06:59] <gizim> Anybody know how to get fortune to run in the motd?
[07:00] <SysRq-B> I've played with the --no-x-check on nvidia driver install, no problems with it... saves a bit of time
[07:00] <gizim> !X
[07:00] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:00] <voraistos> Crell: I told you its the kernel for sure. The ubuntu kernel is much more hacked than the debian one
[07:00] <SysRq-B> then again, I'm on a Live CD right now, trying to figure out how to fix a problem with it, heh
[07:01] <voraistos> Crell i honestly dont think its graphics card related.
[07:01] <matsyes> i wanted to replace the option say "emacs filename &" with say "em filename" does anyone know how to do that
[07:01] <PeanutHorst> um
[07:01] <Crell> Great.  So what do I do about it?  I don't really know how to install an alternate kernel on a live CD. :-)
[07:01] <PeanutHorst> ln -s /usr/bin/emacs /usr/bin/em
[07:01] <Music_Shuffle> SO yo ucan't even boot into the LiveCD?
[07:01] <PeanutHorst> maybe
[07:02] <SysRq-B> or you can create an alias
[07:02] <matsyes> yeah thats what i did an alias
[07:02] <Crell> Music_Shuffle: The CD boots as far as the menu that offers to boot from CD, boot safe video mode, check memory, etc.
[07:02] <Music_Shuffle> Ok, and then it?
[07:02] <Music_Shuffle> it...?*
[07:02] <Crell> From there it takes a while and whines about hdc (CDROM drive), then boots to garbled video.
[07:02] <matsyes> but how do i include the option of &
[07:02] <voraistos> Crell well if you can access the CLI, you just have to do it the debian way... dowload the source and compile :P
[07:02] <PeanutHorst> is there a way to boot ubuntu to a command line instead of to an X session
[07:02] <PeanutHorst>  ?
[07:02] <lnc> ln -s /usr/bin/emacs /usr/local/bin/em
[07:02] <Music_Shuffle> PeanutHorst, yeah, turn off x at the runlevel levelthing.
[07:03] <Crell> Is there a command line install for Ubuntu these days?
[07:03] <SysRq-B> chkconfig
[07:03] <Music_Shuffle> The server install is without GUI I thought.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> Crell: use the alternate CD
[07:03] <SysRq-B> if it's anything like RHEL
[07:03] <Music_Shuffle> Or that.
[07:03] <voraistos> Crell: I was thinking..... You seem to be experienced but Did you think about checksumming the CD ?
[07:03] <Crell> matsyes: alias em='emacs &'
[07:03] <PeanutHorst> Music_Shuffle: no
[07:03] <PeanutHorst> i mean on the livecd
[07:03] <confuciusMD> how do I type chinese characters in oowriter?  SCIM works for all the other programs except for that.
[07:03] <Music_Shuffle> Oh. ./Just kidding.
[07:04] <SysRq-B> there's probably a startup string for that... never done it, though
[07:04] <Music_Shuffle> ./Tired and noticing that the problems here are beyond my ability to use logic to solve.
[07:04] <SysRq-B> F6
[07:04] <jbutler> hey all.. this is a really stupid question from a newbie, and ive looked all over google, but most of the tutorials concentrate on make.  Im trying to install  a program and that programs install docs say to use "./configure" then "make", but when i try "./configure" i get a command not found error.  I know im misssing something really simple here....
[07:04] <Life> anyone here can be trusted to reinstall an OS for me while i sleep o_O
[07:04] <Life> i'll pay for services
[07:04] <Crell> voraistos: I haven't, no.  I've tried burning it twice, though, with the same result, so the burn is clean.  Checking the ISO's not a bad idea before futzing with the kernel, I suppose.
[07:04] <Music_Shuffle> G'night all. And...good luck with your issues. :)
[07:04] <Madpilot> jbutler, which program?
[07:04] <PeanutHorst> lii would offer my services
[07:04] <PeanutHorst> life ^
[07:04] <SysRq-B> jbutler: don't use quotes?
[07:04] <Life> peanuthorst: ehh how much :|
[07:05] <PeanutHorst> free
[07:05] <PeanutHorst> but ... how am i meant to do it remotely?
[07:05] <PeanutHorst> i'm in australia
[07:05] <voraistos> jbutler ./configure is a script, it has to exist to work... otherwise just use make and (make sure you have all the necessary libraries)
[07:05] <Life> peanuthorst: you'll have KVM over IP access..
[07:05] <PeanutHorst> Life: can't do with ssh?
[07:05] <Life> no
[07:05] <Crell> !md5
[07:05] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Life: giving people root access to your box from an IRC channel is not wise :)
[07:06] <voraistos> Crell yeah the problem could be not from the burning process but the download process....
[07:06] <VMT2007> http://pastebin.com/843012
[07:06] <SysRq-B> brb... in case anybody is wondering, I'm here for i810+nvidia simultanious glx not working (only separately) help... pm me if you have solved this problem... I need a smoke.
[07:06] <Life> toreauptic: yes i know
[07:06] <PeanutHorst> Life: so you're saying.. my keyboard video and mouse are eclusively taken over by this remote conection?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Life: so don't do it :)
[07:06] <PeanutHorst> i'm not sure i can dig that...
[07:06] <Crell> Well that's a useless link.  It gives md5sums for 5.10. :-)
[07:07] <Life> meh, i know but i feel asif i'd waste $50 if ic ant finish thia
[07:07] <voraistos> Crell. The CD has an auto checksum option when you boot
[07:07] <PeanutHorst> thoreauputic: well, i'd expect he'd passwd after anyway
[07:07] <justin_> How do I make sure drivers load on every boot automatically? - (sound drivers)
[07:07] <thoreauputic> PeanutHorst: right, after you installed your rootkit ;D
[07:07] <VMT2007> !modprobe | justin_
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <Crell> Yeah, I'm trying to run that now.  Unfortunately it's taking its 10 minutes of whining about Buffer I/O errors on hdc and ide_intr errors on hdc.
[07:08] <Crell> Which I suppose could be a hint about the image itself...
[07:08] <PeanutHorst> thoreauputic:  i am not capanble of making rootkit stuff
[07:08] <VMT2007> !bum | justin_
[07:08] <ubotu> justin_: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:08] <jbutler> madpilot: im trying to install the hydrogen drum machine using make.  could the ./configure be located somewhere other than the .tar.gz i downloaded?
[07:08] <justin_> VMT2007, Already did that - simply keeps it loaded until I reboot my machine - and then I have to re-probe it again.
[07:08] <Madpilot> !info hydrogen
[07:08] <ubotu> hydrogen: Simple drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2 (edgy), package size 3267 kB, installed size 9192 kB
[07:08] <matsyes> i tierd the ln command but that requires a seperate link which i cant do
[07:08] <thoreauputic> PeanutHorst: I nelieve you - but why should he ? :)
[07:08] <Madpilot> jbutler, why not just grab hydrogen from universe?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> *believe
[07:09] <VMT2007> OpenChrome isn't compiling
[07:09] <matsyes> the alias opens a new emacs but doesnt open the file i want
[07:09] <PeanutHorst> thoreauputic: agreed
[07:09] <Crell> Of course, my burning software is on the system I'm trying to replace, so... :-)
[07:09] <voraistos> CRell... Wel no, since the CD actually uses the linux kernel to checkhimself... If you have debian installed, just use it to checksum the CD. themd5 files are on the DL mirrors
[07:09] <VMT2007> 12 degrees centigrade here
[07:09] <VMT2007> damn
[07:09] <Crell> voraistos: I'm on the kubuntu download page.  It's just providing links to ISOs.
[07:10] <FluxTendu> i try to read some wmv on my edgy 64: when i try to use mplayer32: "mplayer32: error while loading shared libraries: libaudio.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[07:10] <voraistos> Crell i dont get it they always provide the md5
[07:10] <Crell> I've a copy of the ISO on my server, and I can md5sum it there.  I just need to know what it should be.
[07:10] <Crell> If you know where to find them I would be most greatful. :-)
[07:10] <voraistos> Crel ill find it
[07:10] <justin_> And does anyone know how to fix this.. in programs like Firefox and Amsn -- instead of having the modern "click hand" -- I have that old left pointing small hand that real ugly one Linux had by default on it years ago
[07:11] <exs> can anyone recommend me a *very* good wifi card for my desktop?..  I want it to run nativley in linux and be able to hack so I can test my security.
[07:11] <idlemind> what md5 sum are you looking for
[07:11] <justin_> But in the system itself, and Opera its the normal modern click hand..
[07:11] <Crell> Kubuntu 6.10 32-bit X86
[07:11] <GMT-1_AZ> where can i get opera ?
[07:11] <jbroome> !opera
[07:11] <VMT2007> exs: get a bridge instead
[07:11] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[07:12] <idlemind> k k give me a min
[07:12] <Crell> exs: I've had pretty good luck with Aetheros chipset cards.
[07:12] <exs> VMT2007:  what's a bridge?
[07:12] <VMT2007> an ethernet-wifi bridge
[07:12] <voraistos> Crell http://ftp.oleane.net/pub/ubuntu-cd/kubuntu/6.10/MD5SUMS
[07:12] <VMT2007> a desktop is stationary
[07:12] <exs> VMT2007:  never heard of it, ill look it up
[07:12] <Crell> I've two of them, one from SMC and one fom D-Link.  Same card, but the SMC is half the price. :-)
[07:12] <justin_> CreativeEmbassy, Kubuntu too? -- I feel your pain ;D
[07:12] <VMT2007> you're not going to exactly wardrive with one
[07:12] <VMT2007> or use more than one network
[07:12] <justin_> =P
[07:12] <Crell> voraistos: Thanks!
[07:12] <voraistos> Crell 1f9baed847eff89b03c754fcaea8070e
[07:13] <Crell> Thanks.  That matches what I've got here.
[07:13] <idlemind> crell: http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/edgy
[07:13] <idlemind> crell: you'll find a md5sums file there
[07:13] <jbutler> madpilot: doesnt support i386 architecture it says and wont install.  I wanted to play around with it since there isnt anything to that effect on the hydrogen page.
[07:13] <voraistos> Crell, im leaving, ill be back in 10 minutes.
[07:13] <VMT2007> exs: and many wifi card manufacturers do not release native linux drivers
[07:13] <VMT2007> because they're lazy.
[07:13] <Madpilot> jbutler, the packaged hydrogen won't install?
[07:14] <Crell> Thanks, voraistos.
[07:14] <matsyes>  i wanted to replace the option say "emacs filename &" with say "em filename" i have tried the alias command but it didnt work any suggestions please
[07:14] <thoreauputic> CYber_Afk: ?
[07:14] <jbutler> madpilot: im sorry for my ignorance, what do you mean by "packaged hydrogen" ? is that what i downloaded?
[07:14] <jordo23> what do I do if I cannot uninstall a package (kdepim) with error code 100
[07:14] <CYber_Afk> just saying hi thoreauputic
[07:14] <Crell> matsyes: Try making a small bash script?
[07:14] <Madpilot> jbutler, enable the Universe repo, install hydrogen from there - use Synaptic
[07:14] <thoreauputic> CYber_Afk: oh OK :)
[07:14] <TraceGreen> Hello, my harddisk has a host protected area, I want to access it in linux , how can i do it?
[07:15] <jbutler> madpilot: ok, ill try synaptic, it was Add / Remove that was giving me the i386 not supported error.  I think i enabled universal to get my mp3 to play.
[07:15] <VMT2007> ugh, this compile error has me puzzled
[07:15] <VMT2007> i'm going to go out for a smoke.
[07:15] <SysRq-B> back... yeah, pretty happy about my new Ubuntu install.  webcam actually works now, and I can do dual heads (which sax2 never did).  I just wish I didn't have to use a closed source NVidia driver :/
[07:15] <matsyes> crell: yeah but what exactly do i put in the script the problem is that the &option comes after the filename
[07:15] <thoreauputic> CYber_Afk: just saying hi :)
[07:15] <thoreauputic> heheh
[07:16] <Crell> matsyes: #!/bin/bash \n emacs $1 &
[07:16] <SysRq-B> actually surprised beryl now works on my integrated card.  The things 4 years old, heh
[07:16] <Crell> Where the \n should be an actual line break in the file, not a literal.
[07:16] <CYber_Afk> thoreauputic,
[07:16] <CYber_Afk> AirPlusXtremeG Adapters - 108Mbps
[07:16] <CYber_Afk> DWL-G650 Dlink Wireless PCMCIA Adapter - Operates in Windows & Linux
[07:16] <CYber_Afk> gf's X-mas present
[07:16] <Crell> Name it "em" and put it in your ~/bin directory, then make sure ~/bin is in your path.
[07:16] <elysium444> I did "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" as root and install nvidia drivers after rebootin the x starts and tells "failed to initialize HAL!". How can I fix this?
[07:16] <jordo23> what do I do if I cannot uninstall a package (kdepim) with error code 100?  Anyone?
[07:16] <CYber_Afk> along with some other stuff
[07:16] <CYber_Afk> :P
[07:16] <matsyes> crell: just a min let me try that
[07:17] <thoreauputic> CYber_Afk: sounds nice, but dows it run Linux?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> *does
[07:17] <CYber_Afk> it?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> ;P
[07:17] <SysRq-B> lol
[07:17] <CYber_Afk> it says operates in both, and my gf aint an IT ;/
[07:17] <Crell> jordo23: Have you tried from the command line?
[07:17] <elysium444>  I did "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" as root and install nvidia drivers after rebootin the x starts and tells "failed to initialize HAL!". what is HAL?How can I fix this?
[07:18] <SysRq-B> hmmm, that's a new one for me
[07:18] <Crell> HAL is the Hardware Abstraction Layer, and it's a bit of black magic I do not understand. :-)
[07:18] <jordo23> Crell: It says it wont remove because of unmet dependencies...
[07:18] <Crell> Does it say which?
[07:18] <SysRq-B> looking...
[07:18] <thoreauputic> CYber_Afk: ah I missed a line there, sorry :)
[07:18] <liberion> hey people!do they have a package of FretsOnFire for ubuntu yet?
[07:19] <elysium444> I also did type init 3, does this help?
[07:19] <CYber_Afk> lol thoreauputic its for my girls lappy so yea :P nice present, she gonna love it :)
[07:19] <thoreauputic> elysium444: bo
[07:19] <liberion> i can build a script that will install frets on fire ,and itll work fine!!
[07:19] <thoreauputic> elysium444: that changes runlevel, but 3 is the same as 2 in Ubuntu
[07:20] <SysRq-B> elysium444: Try the help here - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75328.html
[07:20] <elysium444> I went to 3 because the nvidia installer told me
[07:20] <Sharn> Hello
[07:20] <SysRq-B> oh, you're still in init 3?
[07:20] <elysium444> ok thanks
[07:20] <SysRq-B> reboot :)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> elysium444: that's for Red Hat type distros
[07:20] <lupine_85> SysRq-B: why?
[07:21] <lupine_85> runlevel 2 == runlevel 3 == runlevel 5
[07:21] <elysium444> I got it, I have an external hd
[07:21] <Crell> Honestly, few people use runlevels anymore in the first place.
[07:21] <SysRq-B> ah
[07:21] <elysium444> thats the problem I thinki
[07:21] <thoreauputic> SysRq-B: in Debian and Ubuntu 2 is both X and networked non-X
[07:21] <lupine_85> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop to get out of GUI
[07:21] <elysium444> i will shut it down while booting...
[07:22] <SysRq-B> I find there are only two things you need to fix most problems... access to the power cord, and a hammer
[07:22] <Crell> For certain definitions of "fix".
[07:22] <RMorris84> im having trouble with a usb hard drive... its not allowing me to remove anything from it...
[07:22] <SysRq-B> better in that order as well
[07:23] <Cyber_Stalker> SysRq-B, pref a big one
[07:23] <thoreauputic> SysRq-B: you forgot the hair dye to fix the resulting grey hairs :)
[07:23] <SysRq-B> aye
[07:23] <SysRq-B> hammers fix gray hairs
[07:23] <SysRq-B> at least, it scares those with them away
[07:23] <jbutler> madpilot: its working!  thanks so much.  Bum bah bum bah dah DAH! This is so cool i cant believe its free.
[07:24] <thoreauputic> SysRq-B: if you want to be a redhead :p
[07:24] <SysRq-B> heh
[07:24] <Crell> Is it worth pulling an alternate CD, or would I just run into the same issue later?
[07:25] <Madpilot> jbutler, no problem, have fun. Just remember to look stuff up in synaptic before messing with the source downloads - there's something like 16,000 packages in the universe repo...
[07:25] <kintaro0e> hey guys..what package/software that i need to install if want a sound mixer like pcdj...i want to play 2 instance of sounds and can control the volume of both sounds..any idea guys?ehehe..thanks
[07:25] <SysRq-B> kintaro0e: look for a graphical JACK mixer
[07:25] <SysRq-B> forgot the name
[07:25] <CiscoJones> kintaro0e try jokosher
[07:25] <RMorris84> A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
[07:25] <CiscoJones> www.jokosher.org
[07:26] <RMorris84> im having trouble... this usb hd i added is saying its a read only filesystem
[07:26] <Satan-Claus> oh oh oh
[07:26] <SysRq-B> oh, you mean mixer, not mixer :P
[07:26] <thoreauputic> CiscoJones: interesting - I 've heard about it - how does jokosher compare with audacity ?
[07:26] <SysRq-B> I like audacity, but it crashes at the worst possible moments
[07:26] <Madpilot> RMorris84, what formatting is the HD using?
[07:26] <kintaro0e> ok SysRq-B CiscoJones
[07:26] <kintaro0e> thanks
[07:26] <Crell> RMorris84: Perhaps it is. :-)  What's the filesystem?
[07:26] <SysRq-B> the windows version, at least
[07:26] <RMorris84> ext2 i believe
[07:26] <jbutler> madpilot: cool.  any idea why it would tell me i couldnt install it b/c i didnt have i386 in "Add / Remove", but Synaptic did it no problem?
[07:26] <lupine_85> !info libwnck18 feisty
[07:26] <ubotu> libwnck18: Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 118 kB, installed size 288 kB
[07:27] <lupine_85> !info libwnck18 edgy
[07:27] <CiscoJones> thoreauputic just installed it, and I like it so far, I have been using audigy up until now
[07:27] <ubotu> libwnck18: Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 118 kB, installed size 288 kB
[07:27] <year0369> gibt es kein Ubuntu channel deutsch ?
[07:27] <Madpilot> jbutler, no idea; I generally use synaptic over add/remove, because there's a lot of stuff that doesn't appear in add/remove
[07:27] <thoreauputic> CiscoJones: hmm - /me checks
[07:27] <lupine_85> !de
[07:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:27] <SysRq-B> CiscoJones: you ever use anything like AcidPro and/or know a linux equivilant?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> !de
[07:27] <thoreauputic> oops
[07:27] <jw_606> Hello can
[07:27] <Crell> RMorris84: Check fstab to see how it's being mounted, and do an ls -l on the mount point.
[07:27] <CiscoJones> takes forever to compile/install, but it does it with little intervention at all
[07:27] <TraceGreen> Hello, Does Ubuntu kernel support "host protected area"?
[07:27] <jw_606> Can someone help me with an error I get while trying to compile a program please? The error is  "security.h:37:7: warning: no newline at end of file"
[07:28] <matsyes> crell : that worked ... but i am curious what is $1  ... btw i included my home directory path so i just saved the script in the home directory
[07:28] <SysRq-B> sounds like you either need to add or remove a blank line from the end of your file, either cr or cr+lf
[07:28] <DarthLappy> jw_606: That's a warning. Shouldn't affect the compilation.
[07:28] <Crell> The $1 means "first command line parameter to the script".  $2 is the second, etc.
[07:28] <RMorris84> Crell: bob@bob-laptop:/media/usbdisk$ ls -l total 20 drwx------  2 root root 16384 2006-12-21 23:03 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 19 bob  bob   4096 2006-12-21 23:25 Music
[07:28] <Crell> And AAAAHHHH!!!.  Never put your home directory itself in the path.
[07:28] <Cyber_Stalker> jw_606, you placed a blank line right at then end of the file
[07:29] <Crell> RMorris84: That's why.  It's owned by root, and only read/write by root.
[07:29] <Crell> What's the fstab line?
[07:29] <jw_606> Cyber_Stalker, theres roughly 50 files (ProQuake) that I'm trying to compile, and it has never successfully compiled for me, can you help?
[07:29] <RMorris84> how do i check that?
[07:29] <Crell> cat /etc/fstab
[07:29] <Cyber_Stalker> nope, i was just saying what the error looked like
[07:30] <matsyes> crell: aha cool (about the $1)... and i get the feeling the home directory idea was not good how come
[07:30] <Cyber_Stalker> sorry
[07:30] <DarthLappy> Cyber_Stalker: That's not right anyway, it's complaining because there *isn't* one :)
[07:30] <RMorris84> theres nothing in there about the device in the fstab
[07:30] <Crell> Security.  If a stray program ends up in there, then any time you log in, you get that program instead of the default one.
[07:30] <jw_606> I do get 2 other actual errors while compiling
[07:30] <bakks> can someone please help me install mysql over ssh, i am having trouble getting it working
[07:30] <Crell> Put a program called "cd" in your home directory itself, and you're in trouble. :-)
[07:30] <Cyber_Stalker> DarthLappy, is one isnt one, end of the day its still some thing to do with a line :P
[07:30] <Crell> Using /bin or similar is a common practice and safe.
[07:30] <Crell> er, safer.
[07:30] <SysRq-B> heh
[07:30] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Those might 'cause it :)
[07:31] <Cyber_Stalker> lol @ crell
[07:31] <Cyber_Stalker> u just gave me an idea
[07:31] <DarthLappy> Cyber_Stalker: Haha, true.
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Crell: umm ~/bin I think you meant
[07:31] <jw_606> DarthLappy, can I pm you these 2 errors? They are only 2 lines
[07:31] <elysium444> I can login as root in terminal but couldnt login in synaptic package manager while installing packages. it says incorrect password. how can i use synaptic manager?
[07:31] <voraistos> Crell: I was thinking, you certainly have a Debian install CD... what you can do is install a bsic DEbian system, then change the repos and install ubuntu packages... after that you can make (without rebooting, just in cas it installs  a nubunu kernel) your own vanilla kernel
[07:31] <RMorris84> Crell: theres nothing in there about the device
[07:31] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Yeah, sure.
[07:31] <Cyber_Stalker> elysium444, the root pass is wht you use for synaptic
[07:31] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: auto mounted usb devices don't appear in fstab
[07:32] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: try /etc/mtab
[07:32] <Crell> voraistos: wb.  That sounds... messy. :)
[07:32] <Cyber_Stalker> if you have numbers in your pass trying using the numbers above your standard keys instead of the numpad :P
[07:32] <Crell> And wouldn't that then lose all of the standard Kubuntu setup and auto-configuration?
[07:32] <Pie-rate> how do i get glut.h?
[07:32] <bakks> can someone please help me install mysql over ssh, i am having trouble getting it working
[07:32] <Crell> RMorris84: How are you mounting it?
[07:32] <RMorris84> ok /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
[07:32] <Erb_> How do I add 'nobody' to the sudoers file in regards to the correct syntax?
[07:32] <matsyes> crell: ah cool :p i'll change that then ...ah btw i put the $1 option in the alias path and put that in a script that too works
[07:33] <voraistos> Crell: no, i did that before, its doable :P
[07:33] <Crell> voraistos: Would an alternate install CD work better?
[07:33] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Did you send the PM?
[07:33] <jw_606> DarthLappy, Yes I did
[07:33] <RMorris84> Crell: i just turn it on and it appeared after i set it up using cfdisk
[07:33] <neurotech> What's the chmod to give full access?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: OK looks like it is mounted then at least
[07:33] <Crell> voraistos: Doable, but how easily.  And if ubuntu does that much to the kernel, then isn't that something I want?
[07:33] <jw_606> Try sending me one maybe?
[07:34] <RMorris84> thoreauputic: how come i cant delete stuff off of it?
[07:34] <matsyes> crell : oops the alias one doesnt
[07:34] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: hang on a minute
[07:34] <RMorris84> and when i was trying copy stuff... after a while it would error out and say i cant write to it anymore
[07:34] <RMorris84> ok
[07:34] <Crell> RMorris84: Sounds like odd automounting rules, which I don't know much about.  Try adding "gid=users" (without quotes) to the front of the list that begins rw,  No spaces, just another comma.
[07:34] <Crell> Then remount it.
[07:34] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Just stick 'em in a pastebin so others can have a look too.
[07:34] <voraistos> Crell: I am currently using a vanilla kernel, and it doesnt change much (not at all for me in fact). But you can try ....
[07:34] <matsyes> crell:i'm curious do u think theres anyway to do this with alias without the script
[07:35] <elysium444> I can login as root in terminal but couldnt login in synaptic package manager with the root pass. it says incorrect password. how can i use synaptic manager?
[07:35] <Crell> matsyes: If you have the script, you don't need an alias at all.
[07:35] <Crell> Just make sure /bin/em is accessible via your path.
[07:35] <Crell> er, /home/you/bin/em
[07:35] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: try this:  sudo chown yourusername:yourusername /media/usbdisk ( where you substitute your actual username of course)
[07:36] <matsyes> crell:yeah that is true ... i was just wondering if there would be another way
[07:36] <Crell> voraistos: Hrm.  So which would you suggest has a better chance of rapid success, installing Debian Sarge basic and mutating or using the alternate CD?
[07:36] <matsyes> crell: curousity and all that :P
[07:36] <Crell> Meow. :-)
[07:37] <bakks> can someone please help me get mysql working?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: I assume you formatted it yourself as ext3, as root....
[07:37] <RMorris84> thoreauputic: sudo chown bob:bob /media/usbdisk/  chown: changing ownership of `/media/usbdisk/': Read-only file system
[07:37] <Crell> bakks: Depends what's wrong with it.
[07:37] <voraistos> well, the alternate CD uses the same kernel.... However the server version uses a different kernel (but i dont know how much different it is), since you hav debian, i think its worth a try.
[07:37] <bakks> i am doing the cut and dried install process
[07:37] <Crell> I've installed server before.  It's VERY different.
[07:37] <bakks> and it is giving me access denied errors
[07:37] <Catshrimp> Anyone know why when I install ubuntu 6.10 full that the fglrx drivers work, but when I install just the base system and then install x-window-system-core && fluxbox that the fglrx driver doesn't work?
[07:37] <neurotech> What's the chmod to give full access?
[07:37] <bakks> its server
[07:37] <elysium444> I can login as root in terminal but couldnt login in synaptic package manager while installing packages. it says incorrect password. how can i use synaptic manager?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: right... did you format it as root?
[07:38] <Crell> For instance, desktop includes wireless drivers by default.    This is way better and its free.
[07:39] <mistone_> I still can't configure xorg to go past 800x600 on my HD LCD TV :(
[07:40] <RMorris84> thoreauputic: i did that
[07:40] <RMorris84> now what?
[07:40] <exs> What's the quickest way to check what my wifi card is?
[07:40] <voraistos> Crell, the i say, instal the server version, make a custom kernel, and install the ubuntu-desktop package on top of that.
[07:40] <Crell> Does apt-get give you any errors?
[07:40] <elysium444> I can login as root in terminal but couldnt login in synaptic package manager while installing packages. it says incorrect password. how can i use synaptic manager?
[07:40] <Crell> exs: lspci
[07:40] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: can you write to it now?
[07:40] <DragonRift> can live cd read both windows and linux partitions?
[07:40] <Crell> Hrm.  Custom vanilla?
[07:40] <elysium444> I can install through the terminal...
[07:40] <bakks> no, that all worked fine, the problem is when i try to set the root password
[07:40] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: I assume you are in the plugdev group...
[07:40] <Crell> I'm going to burn a copy of alternate first anyway, since my burning software is on the system I'm reformatting. :-)
[07:41] <RMorris84> no i cant write to it
[07:41] <RMorris84> i dont know if im in that group lol
[07:41] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: running out of ideas, sorry
[07:41] <DragonRift> anyone?
[07:41] <voraistos> Crell: OK, just kep us informed :)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> RMorris84: type "groups" to see
[07:41] <cherubiel> RMorris84: how did you mount it? r/o or r/w ?
[07:41] <elysium444> I can login as root in terminal but couldnt login in synaptic package manager while installing packages. it says incorrect password. how can i use synaptic manager? I am using ubuntu 10.6, i can install through the terminal
[07:41] <Crell> bakks: How are you doing so?
[07:42] <DragonRift> can live cd read both windows and linux partitions?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> cherubiel: I assume he just plugged it in...
[07:42] <RMorris84> yeah im in plugdev...
[07:42] <Crell> wtf?  Alternate CD is 700 MB, too?
[07:42] <RMorris84> cherubiel: i dont know... it automounts
[07:42] <RMorris84> i just turn it on
[07:42] <VMT2007> seems this DVD isn't being decrypted correctly
[07:42] <bakks> sudo mysqladmin -u root password newrootsqlpassword
[07:42] <bakks> thats what i'm using
[07:42] <bakks> that works fine
[07:42] <elysium444> DragonRift: yes it can read if you mount them
[07:42] <thoreauputic> elysium444: you don't run synaptic as root - it wants your password
[07:42] <bakks> and then the line to set the ps for localhost gives me access denied errors
[07:42] <thoreauputic> !root > elysium444
[07:42] <DragonRift> well what I want to do is use a livecd for data recovery
[07:43] <elysium444> the pass is elysium444????
[07:43] <omersiartr> how can i understand that my ubuntu running 64bit
[07:43] <thoreauputic> elysium444: no, your user password :)
[07:43] <Crell> omersiartr: I don't know, do you understand it? :-)
[07:43] <elysium444> lol
[07:43] <elysium444> ok
[07:43] <omersiartr> :)
[07:43] <omersiartr> my english not very good
[07:43] <thoreauputic> elysium444: read about sudo
[07:43] <thoreauputic> !sudo
[07:43] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:43] <Crell> omersiartr: Try: uname -a
[07:43] <VMT2007> please don't tell me the repos don't have libdvdcss
[07:44] <omersiartr> okay Crell
[07:44] <thoreauputic> !libdvdcss
[07:44] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:44] <Shadow_mil> omersiartr: what language are you good at?
[07:44] <Crell> VMT2007: They don't.  Legal reasons.  They have a script to install it from elsewhere instead.
[07:44] <VMT2007> ah
[07:44] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:44] <VMT2007> Why is it illegal anyway?
[07:44] <Crell> Debian does the same.
[07:44] <Catshrimp> Anyone know why when I install ubuntu 6.10 full that the fglrx drivers work, but when I install just the base system and then install x-window-system-core && fluxbox that the fglrx driver doesn't work?
[07:44] <Crell> Because US copyright law is AFU.
[07:44] <VMT2007> meh
[07:44] <VMT2007> damn lawmakers
[07:44] <omersiartr> Linux ubuntuheyya 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 21:16:35 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux Crell
[07:45] <omersiartr> is it 64 bit
[07:45] <jw_606> DarthLappy?
[07:45] <Crell> The "x86_64" means you're running a 64-bit kernel.
[07:45] <bitflip> omersiartr: yes
[07:45] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Yes?
[07:45] <jw_606> Did you get my pm with the error?
[07:45] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Nope.
[07:45] <elysium444> it works fine
[07:45] <omersiartr> 64 bit kernel but not 64 bit programs ??
[07:45] <elysium444> thanks
[07:45] <DarthLappy> jw_606: Your nick isn't registered.
[07:45] <diskus> omersiartr: if you installed ubuntu from 32bit install cd then yes
[07:45] <Shadow_mil> omersiartr: you can run 32-bit programs on 64-bit system/kernel
[07:46] <Shadow_mil> I think
[07:46] <Shadow_mil> if I recall correctly
[07:46] <omersiartr> are my programs 64bit
[07:46] <thoreauputic> !chroot
[07:46] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[07:46] <diskus> omersiartr: probably not
[07:46] <omersiartr> default programs
[07:46] <omersiartr> like firefox
[07:46] <Shadow_mil> omersiartr: yeah... since its OSS... its easy to compile them for 64-bit
[07:46] <omersiartr> oss
[07:46] <omersiartr> ??
[07:46] <diskus> omersiartr: there's realy no reason to use 64-bit software yet
[07:46] <omersiartr> what is it
[07:47] <omersiartr> okay but i cant install flash player extension
[07:47] <Shadow_mil> omersiartr: Open Source Software... it is what makes Linux better then windows... in my opinion
[07:47] <jw_606> DarkLappy, here is the output when I run 'make' http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/52597
[07:47] <Shadow_mil> omersiartr: look oss up on wikipedia for more information
[07:47] <bitflip> omersiartr: because they only have 32 bit builds of it and you are probably running a 64bit build of firefox
[07:48] <bitflip> omersiartr: "of it" being flash
[07:48] <omersiartr> how can i understand my firefox is 64bit
[07:48] <Crell> For a desktop, there's too much software that doesn't work in 64-bit yet.
[07:48] <asher> is there a way to manipulate screen-saver options?
[07:48] <Crell> For a server, with a much smaller set of programs, it's OK.
[07:49] <omersiartr> okay but you said my progs are 32 nit
[07:49] <omersiartr> bit
[07:49] <beowuff_> asher, I install xscreensaver and run xscreensaver-demo. That lets you change settings for any screensaver...
[07:49] <Crell> Depends how you installed the system, really.
[07:49] <Shadow_mil> Crell: thats changing... 64-bit is the new way :D
[07:49] <jw_606> DarthLappy, sorry :)
[07:49] <diskus> omersiartr: if I were you I would stick with 32-bit for a while
[07:49] <omersiartr> i installed from 64 bit iso
[07:49] <asher> is xscreensaver compatible with the lock screen button?
[07:50] <Crell> Shadow_mil: When OOo, flash, and Wine work in 64-bit without weird jail environments, let me know. :-)
[07:50] <nepa1> rapid, hji
[07:50] <DarthLappy> jw_606: You don't seem to have the string.h header.