[00:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#2162 closed: tests: new codespell, narrowed checks and better execution order <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2162>
[02:27] <tooijar> Is it possible to remove old revisions from the store?
[02:49] <Son_Goku> zyga: https://flocktofedora.org/#cfp
[05:03] <mborzecki> morning
[05:24] <mup> PR snapd#5346 opened: cmd/snap: add a backup handler for snap:// URIs that prompts the user to install the gnome-software snap <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5346>
[06:09] <zyga> hey
[06:09] <zyga> irccloud is down, hmm
[06:13] <mborzecki> zyga: heh, looks like it
[06:13] <zyga> ok, let me push those suse PRs
[06:20] <zyga> oh, drat
[06:20] <zyga> master has even better integration
[06:20] <zyga> let me take some of that too
[06:21] <zyga> I wish the snapd.apparmor.service was in 2.33 :/
[06:26] <mborzecki> zyga: can't you backport it?
[06:26] <zyga> yeah, that's what I'm looking at now
[06:26] <zyga> it's not a large change
[06:27] <zyga> I'm building 2.33 as is to see what it lacks from the packaging in master
[06:37] <zyga> I don't love cherry picking our patches when they are not squashed
[06:38] <zyga> I guess I can branch off 2.33 and cherry pick the lot
[06:38] <zyga> then squash and export
[06:38] <zyga> right?
[06:39] <zyga> tumbleweed is on 4.17,
[06:39] <zyga> that's ... fast :)
[06:50] <mborzecki> zyga: 4.17.2-1-ARCH
[06:50] <mborzecki> probably fedora too
[06:53] <zyga> ok, patches prepared, one more build
[06:55] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem I need to thank you for the fantastic rework of the opensuse package!
[06:55] <zyga> it makes things much easier
[06:58] <mborzecki> zyga: did you get a chance to look at #5341 ?
[06:58] <zyga> the C changes?
[06:58] <mup> PR #5341: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: intoduce helpers for validating snap instance name and instance key <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5341>
[06:58] <mborzecki> zyga: yup
[06:59] <zyga> not in detail,
[06:59] <mborzecki> probably good if jdstrand could take a look too when he comes back
[07:00] <mborzecki> btw. if nobody minds i'll be landing #5314 soon
[07:00] <mup> PR #5314: many: rename snap.Info.Name() to snap.Info.InstanceName(), leave parallel-install TODOs <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5314>
[07:04] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:04] <zyga> pstolowski hey
[07:04] <zyga> mborzecki I asked one question on the validate PR
[07:05] <zyga> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/y3kjK4zXGS/ <- rpmlint report so far
[07:06] <mvo> hey pstolowski ! good morning
[07:06] <mborzecki> zyga: not sure i follow, the pr splits instance name to snap name and instance key and validates both already
[07:06] <pstolowski> mvo, mborzecki any new developments re snapd.seeded service issue? you haven't forwarded me those emails, have you?
[07:06] <zyga> yes but you _already_ have a function for splitting it
[07:10] <mborzecki> zyga: right but that code is supposed to work with validated input and dies instead of returning nice errors, i could probably rework it to use sc_error
[07:10] <zyga> ah
[07:10] <mborzecki> zyga: it will die if sc_error is unset right?
[07:11] <zyga> this makes sense
[07:11] <zyga> yes
[07:11] <zyga> sc_error was designed so that errors are either propagated or the program dies
[07:11] <mborzecki> zyga: i can look into it
[07:12] <mborzecki> mvo: do yu have any high priority pending PRs that use info.Name() that would conflict if i merge #5314?
[07:12] <mup> PR #5314: many: rename snap.Info.Name() to snap.Info.InstanceName(), leave parallel-install TODOs <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5314>
[07:13] <zyga> mborzecki btw, I want to simplify sc_error
[07:13] <mvo> mborzecki: nothing with priority, feel free to land this
[07:13] <zyga> I wrote some personal code and I evolved (simplfied) error handling a bit
[07:14] <mborzecki> mvo: ack
[07:14] <zyga> we could talk about this on Friday
[07:15] <mup> PR snapd#5314 closed: many: rename snap.Info.Name() to snap.Info.InstanceName(), leave parallel-install TODOs <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5314>
[07:15] <zyga> [   43s] FAIL: booted_test.go:218: bootedSuite.TestUpdateBootRevisionsOSErrorsLate
[07:15] <zyga> [   43s]
[07:15] <zyga> [   43s] booted_test.go:253:
[07:15] <zyga> [   43s]     c.Assert(chg.IsReady(), Equals, true)
[07:15] <zyga> [   43s] ... obtained bool = false
[07:15] <zyga> [   43s] ... expected bool = true
[07:15] <zyga> random test failures are best
[07:16] <mborzecki> zyga: does it fail when ran isolated?
[07:16] <zyga> it didn't fail for the last N runs I did
[07:16] <zyga> I'm only tweaking linter errors so it's just random
[07:16] <zyga> I didn't try isolated yet
[07:16] <mborzecki> zyga: trid go test -c -o foo.test && while true; ./foo.test -check.f || break; done ?
[07:17] <mborzecki> mvo: do you have the log from  snapd.seeded failure? (or is pstolowski already looking into it)
[07:21] <pstolowski> mborzecki: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/thJBrCX4wr/ ; i haven't looked at it yet but about to, mvo has some more info in emails, looking forward to them
[07:21] <mvo> mborzecki: pstolowski said he will look into it last night, I can mail the logs to both of you
[07:22] <mvo> pstolowski: I sent the mail a bit earlier is it not there yet?
[07:22] <pstolowski> mvo: nope, no emails
[07:23] <zyga> most lint errors are gone now
[07:23] <zyga> just a few more..
[07:26] <mborzecki> mvo: pstolowski: looks like snapd.seeded could use Requires=snapd.socket at least
[07:27] <pstolowski> indeed
[07:29] <mvo> mborzecki, pstolowski sent it to both of you again
[07:32] <mup> PR snapd#5347 opened: data: remove /bin/sh from snapd.sh <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5347>
[07:36] <mvo> mborzecki: did you get the mail?
[07:36] <mborzecki> mvo: yup, got it
[07:36] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks!
[07:37] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you, interessting, pstolowski did not get it, we were wondering if my fastmail provider has a problem but apparently its more complicated :/
[07:37] <pstolowski> interesting :)
[07:37] <mborzecki> mvo: yeah, got a nice fat warning from gmail about possible spoof
[07:38] <mborzecki> mvo: similar to a name in your organization but the email address does not belong to your domain or the email is not authenticated. Avoid clicking links or replying with sensitive information unless you reach out to the sender by another means to ensure that this email is legitimate
[07:42] <pstolowski> mvo: so yes looks like Requires=.. will do it, but i'd test it; how do i play with seeding?
[07:43] <mborzecki> hm i'm wondering if there could some unwanted side effect
[07:43] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: maybe we should have Restart=on-failure too?
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, that sounds reasonable
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: restart on failure
[07:52] <pstolowski> allright i see some spread tests for seeding
[07:52] <mborzecki> hmm got 14% of battery left, need to find a power outlet
[07:57] <pstolowski> mvo, mborzecki okay, i'll try to amend existing spread tests to reproduce and then will apply the above plan
[07:58] <mborzecki> pstolowski: sounds good
[07:58] <mvo> pstolowski: \o/
[08:01] <mup> PR snapd#5348 opened: packaging/opensuse: snap-confine should be 06755 <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5348>
[08:11] <pstolowski> mvo: ok, the problem reproduces nicely with just examining systemctl snapd.seeded service status in existing spread test, onto fix now
[08:12] <mvo> pstolowski: yay, thank you
[08:12] <mvo> pstolowski: I will pull that into 2.33.1
[08:12] <pstolowski> ok
[08:12] <mborzecki> ok, i'm moving back home, bbiab
[08:14] <mup> PR snapd#5349 opened: packaging/opensuse: add missing bits for snapd.seeded.service <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5349>
[08:15] <Chipaca> mvo: pstolowski: which problem?
[08:16] <pstolowski> Chipaca: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/thJBrCX4wr/
[08:16] <pstolowski> Chipaca: snapd.seeded service not waiting for snapd.socket
[08:17] <Chipaca> pstolowski: it should wait for snapd.service I'd think
[08:17] <Chipaca> unless that creates a loop
[08:22] <mup> PR snapd#5350 opened: packaging/opensuse: don't use %-macros in comments <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5350>
[08:23] <zyga> Chipaca hey sir
[08:23] <zyga> quick question
[08:23] <zyga> $(reverse complete.sh) needs to be executable, correct?
[08:23] <mup> PR snapd#5351 opened: packaging/opensuse: build position-independent binaries <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5351>
[08:25] <Chipaca> zyga: hmm... let me remember
[08:26] <Chipaca> zyga: it doesn't need to afaik
[08:26] <zyga> it is on ubuntu
[08:26] <zyga> it isn't on opensuse
[08:26] <zyga> shall I unify some way?
[08:27] <Chipaca> zyga: we run essentially 'bash etelpmoc.sh'
[08:27] <zyga> and it is in the tree
[08:30] <Chipaca> zyga: if you have the 'http' snap installed, and you run: snap run --command=complete http 9 9 6 1 ' ' "http -" http -
[08:30] <Chipaca> zyga: if that prints a bunch of stuff, it works :)
[08:30] <Chipaca> (by a bunch of stuff i mean a list of options)
[08:31] <zyga> yes, it works
[08:31] <zyga> ok, I'll remove the +x bit then
[08:31] <Chipaca> zyga: er
[08:31] <zyga> hm?
[08:31] <Chipaca> zyga: note it's the one in the core you want to tweak
[08:31] <zyga> oh
[08:31] <zyga> bummer
[08:31] <Chipaca> :)
[08:32] <zyga> that's more work ;)
[08:33] <zyga> Chipaca ok, that works too
[08:34] <Chipaca> zyga: also it's rev <<<complete
[08:34] <Chipaca> $(rev <<<complete).sh
[08:34] <Chipaca> clearly
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#5270 closed: snap,client: show "publisher" in `snap list` and expose in client API <Created by mvo5> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5270>
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#5352 opened: many: expose full publisher info of the snapd api <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5352>
[08:37] <Chipaca> hah! in github the way you tell it utf is ok is with 'utf8=✓'
[08:38] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi,  5352 follows your suggestion about expanding publisher in the snapd API to the same object as the v2 store API
[08:38] <Chipaca> pedronis: reviewing it already
[08:38] <Chipaca> (toggled whitespace to see the struct diffs properly which is when i noticed the utf8=✓ thing)
[08:39] <mup> PR snapd#5353 opened: data/completion: remove shebang and +x from etelpmoc.sh <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5353>
[08:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: had we agreed on changing the column name in list?
[08:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: (that's a bigger 'we' than you and me)
[08:43] <mvo> Chipaca: for publisher instead of developer? I think we did
[08:43] <Chipaca> mvo: schweet
[08:53] <mup> PR snapd#5354 opened: packaging/opensuse: ship apparmor integration if enabled <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5354>
[08:57] <zyga_> https://code.facebook.com/posts/605721433136474/accelerate-large-scale-applications-with-bolt/ is interesting
[09:05] <zyga> Chipaca: I pushed the opposite approach, we should also perhaps look at those shellcheck warnings I posed
[09:05] <zyga> nothing there screams critical though
[09:05] <zyga> I will address those separately
[09:06] <Chipaca> zyga: sure. be careful though :)
[09:09] <pedronis> Chipaca: answered some of your comments
[09:10] <pedronis> Chipaca: also do you really meant adding output related code to the client pkg? that feels strange
[09:12] <mup> PR snapd#5355 opened: data/complete: fix three out of four shellcheck warnings in data/complete <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5355>
[09:12] <zyga> Chipaca: I decided not to touch that last one
[09:12] <zyga> feel free to do so
[09:12] <zyga> my bash is not that fantastic to do it comfortably
[09:14] <pedronis> Chipaca: also I notice that client/packages.go imports  snap nowadays, do you know what's the expected boundary?  I could move to shared snap.StoreAccount under you unflatten request
[09:14] <pedronis> *your
[09:15] <mborzecki> re
[09:15] <zyga> 2018-06-20 09:13:55 Cannot allocate google:arch-linux-64: cannot allocate new Google server for arch-linux-64: quota 'IN_USE_ADDRESSES' exceeded. Limit: 575.0 in region us-east1.
[09:15] <zyga> google hates us todaty
[09:16] <zyga> or just me
[09:16] <mborzecki> ayy
[09:16] <pedronis> mmh
[09:16] <zyga> ETOOMANYIPV4ADDRESSESWHATWEREYOUTHINKING
[09:16] <pedronis> do we have machines left over
[09:16] <mborzecki> something not cleaning up the machines?
[09:17] <pedronis> zyga: to be fair you created a tons of small PRs it seems
[09:17] <zyga> or perhaps the many small PRs consumed too much
[09:17] <zyga> yeah, I think that's it
[09:17] <zyga> let's wait for this to settle in ~20 mintues
[09:18] <pedronis> like another round and we are in review sprint territory
[09:20] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5342 can be merged now
[09:20] <mup> PR #5342: tests: shellchecks part 4 <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5342>
[09:20] <Chipaca> pedronis: I'm +1 for shared, but gustavo has sometimes objected to it
[09:20] <zyga> I hope my small packaging fixes can mostly land very fast
[09:21] <Chipaca> pedronis: but I think we're moving towards mostly-shared, see snapshots for example
[09:21] <mup> PR snapd#5342 closed: tests: shellchecks part 4 <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5342>
[09:21] <Chipaca> mborzecki: when is the cutover for your shellchecks work?
[09:22] <Chipaca> mborzecki: by this i mean, when would an 'exceptions' list be shorter than a 'must' list :)
[09:22] <mborzecki> Chipaca: i think we're at ~40%
[09:23] <mborzecki> i'll open another batch today
[09:23] <pedronis> Chipaca: ok, I kept it flat because is flat atm, and also there would be more churn but I can do that if you feel it's better
[09:23] <pedronis> Chipaca: did you see my questions/comment on ForTerminal ?
[09:24] <Chipaca> pedronis: I did not
[09:24] <Chipaca> got the gas inspector in, got a little sidetracked
[09:29] <pedronis> Chipaca: also if it's snap.StoreAccount it seems even a worse place for ForTerminal, I think we'll have a function with flags or functions in cmd/snap itself instead
[09:29] <mvo> mborzecki: if you want you can review your/our go-check PR, I tweaked it a little bit to address the concerns that gustavo had and I think its quite nice now
[09:30] <Chipaca> pedronis: ok
[09:33] <mborzecki> mvo: i see you've pushed the fix for basic types
[09:33] <mborzecki> nice
[09:34] <Chipaca> mborzecki: we need a 'basic types starter pack' meme now
[09:34] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, I think/hope its good now
[09:35] <mvo> mborzecki: it still has the properties we want, i.e. big structs/long strings are nicely diffed
[09:35] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5350 is green and trivial, please review
[09:35] <mup> PR #5350: packaging/opensuse: don't use %-macros in comments <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5350>
[09:35] <mvo> mborzecki: if it looks good to you I will ask gustavo (either here or in the standup) for a quick look
[09:36] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5347 is in the same spot
[09:36] <mup> PR #5347: data: remove /bin/sh from snapd.sh <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5347>
[09:37] <zyga> mvo: trivial action on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5331
[09:37] <mup> PR #5331: snapstate: sort "snapd" first <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5331>
[09:40] <mvo> zyga: thanks, will do
[09:42] <mup> PR snapd#5356 opened: packaging: require snapd.socket in snapd.seeded.service; make sure snapd.seeded.… <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5356>
[09:42] <pstolowski> mvo, mborzecki ^
[09:43] <pstolowski> btw, systemd didn't like Restart=on-failure, perhaps because it can't be combined with oneshot?
[09:45] <mvo> pstolowski: silly question, why is the after=snapd.socket not enough?
[09:49] <pstolowski> mvo: that's a little bit vague, see https://serverfault.com/questions/812584/in-systemd-whats-the-difference-between-after-and-requires
[09:49] <mborzecki> mvo: after is just ordering, if both seeded.service and snapd.socker are started together, seeded will be ordered after
[09:49] <pstolowski> "After= configures service order (do X only after Y), while Requires= state dependencies. If you don't specify an order, a service depending on another would be started at the same time as the one it is depending on"
[09:49] <mborzecki> but if you start seeded.service and socket is not active then it will not be started
[09:50] <pstolowski> "After= is a "loose coupling"
[09:53] <mvo> zyga: should your rpm stuff go into 2.33.1 as well?
[09:53] <mborzecki> pstolowski: right, it may nee to be one of the 'daemon' modes
[09:54] <zyga> well, the packaging/ directory can be master only
[09:54] <zyga> there are a few things we could cherry pick once everything lands
[09:54] <zyga> but I have patches in the tree so not a hard requirement
[09:54] <zyga> I'm happy if they land in master only
[09:55] <mvo> mborzecki, pstolowski thanks, I guess I'm missing something. if snapd.seeded is ordered after snapd.socket (which it currently is afaiui) then when snapd.seeded runs it should simply socket activate on snap system-info snapd. or are sockets and services started by systemd in different "runs" ?
[09:55] <zyga> mvo: thank you for the reviews!
[09:55] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5349 needs a 2nd review now
[09:55] <mup> PR #5349: packaging/opensuse: add missing bits for snapd.seeded.service <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5349>
[09:55] <zyga> (green and ready)
[09:55] <mvo> mborzecki, pedronis I guess my question is "why are snapd.seeded, snapd.socket" not started togehter :)
[09:56] <mup> PR snapd#5350 closed: packaging/opensuse: don't use %-macros in comments <Simple> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5350>
[09:56] <mvo> mborzecki, pstolowski is it because of the different "WantedBy"?
[09:57] <mvo> mborzecki, pstolowski sorry for the questions, just trying to understand the why behind it
[09:57] <mborzecki> mvo: my guess is that the seeded target is ordered independenly of the sockets target
[09:58] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, I think that makes sense. I would have assumed socket targets run before the normal multi-user though. but its the best theory so far :)
[09:58] <mvo> as an experiment we could make snapd.seeded wantedby socket.target to see if that also solves the issue
[09:58] <mborzecki> mvo: or make snapd.socket wanted by seeded target
[10:00] <pstolowski> i can experiment with that
[10:00] <Chipaca> why wanted by and not before/after?
[10:01] <Chipaca> also note wantedby and requires do not imply before/after
[10:01] <pstolowski> fwtw the spread tests are happy after requires= fix
[10:01] <Chipaca> so i guess you need both
[10:01] <Chipaca> requires= and after=
[10:01] <Chipaca> or wantedby= and before=
[10:01] <pstolowski> Chipaca: atm (with my PR) we have after= and requires=, yes
[10:01] <Chipaca> (probably the former)
[10:02] <Chipaca> good
[10:06] <pedronis> pstolowski: hi, btw can your disconnect hooks PR be re-reviewed?
[10:06] <pstolowski> pedronis: not really, there is a spread test failure that may be related to conflict-checks change
[10:08] <pedronis> ok, ping me when you think I should look again
[10:09] <pstolowski> pedronis: but if you could take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5323 that would be great
[10:09] <mup> PR #5323: ifacestate: prevent running interface hooks twice when self-connecting on autoconnect <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5323>
[10:13] <zyga> mvo: updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5353 -- I also re-worded the branch description to match the final state
[10:13] <mup> PR #5353: data/completion: fix inconsistency in +x and shebang <Squash-merge> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5353>
[10:18] <zyga> mborzecki: can you have a quick look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5349
[10:18] <mup> PR #5349: packaging/opensuse: add missing bits for snapd.seeded.service <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5349>
[10:18] <mvo> I noticed we hit a GCE quota limit for IN_USE_ADDRESSES
[10:21] <zyga> likely due to the number of PRs in flight
[10:21] <mup> PR snapd#5349 closed: packaging/opensuse: add missing bits for snapd.seeded.service <Simple> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5349>
[10:21] <zyga> we discussed that above with pedronis a moment ago
[10:22] <pstolowski> oh wow that's a massive failure https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/394476948/log.txt
[10:23] <pstolowski> cannot allocate new Google server for ubuntu-16.04-32: quota 'IN_USE_ADDRESSES' exceeded. Limit: 575.0 in region us-east1
[10:23] <pstolowski> etc.
[10:25] <pstolowski> ah that's what you discussed above
[10:25] <zyga> mborzecki: thank you for the idea, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5347 is now a one-liner
[10:25] <mup> PR #5347: data: remove /bin/sh from snapd.sh <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5347>
[10:29] <pedronis> pstolowski: will look at that after lunch
[10:29] <pstolowski> thx
[10:32] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5341#pullrequestreview-130331441 is reviewed :)
[10:32] <mup> PR #5341: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: intoduce helpers for validating snap instance name and instance key <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5341>
[10:33] <mborzecki> zyga: thanks!
[10:35] <jamesh> mborzecki: for your shellcheck work, what do you think of listing the spread tests that are allowed to fail rather than the ones that are required to pass?
[10:36] <jamesh> mborzecki: I ask, because I've added new spread tests in some of my branches that failed shellcheck and didn't error out because they weren't listed in the "must" file
[10:37] <Chipaca> what's the default terminal on kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, mate? <- popey?
[10:37] <mborzecki> jamesh: hm something to consider, looks like an easy change
[10:37] <popey> uh
[10:37] <popey> konsole, dunno about the others
[10:37] <jamesh> mborzecki: it seems like a check that new tests should be required to pass
[10:38] <Chipaca> popey: do you have a konsole handy? (as in already installed, at your fingertips)
[10:38] <popey> yes
[10:38] <Chipaca> popey: could you run http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WkK7GSvhfC/ ?
[10:38] <mborzecki> jamesh: yes, that would be helpful, i could stop reminding people to add their files to must-pass list
[10:39] <jamesh> mborzecki: it would also make it easier to tell when the job was finished: you'd have an empty file listing the tests allowed to fail.
[10:41] <mup> PR snapd#5357 opened: firstboot: mark essential snaps as "Required" in the state <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5357>
[10:42] <popey> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DtIIptAt/Screenshot_20180620_114053.png
[10:42] <popey> @Chipaca ^
[10:42] <Chipaca> zyga: what's the easiest way for a machead to run a core image?
[10:42] <zyga> machead?
[10:42] <Chipaca> zyga: person with a mac and no ubuntu
[10:42] <zyga> aaah
[10:42] <Chipaca> popey: what
[10:42] <zyga> Mac head
[10:43] <zyga> :D
[10:43] <zyga> lol, sorry, I didn't parse that at first
[10:43] <popey> Chipaca: screenshot above
[10:43] <zyga> well, those raspberry pi's, Mac-heads love to buy stuff I suspect ;)
[10:43] <Chipaca> popey: no i mean what happened to the utf8
[10:43] <popey> no clue
[10:44] <zyga> Chipaca: more seriously, if you need a VM there are several popular choices
[10:44] <zyga> VMware fusion, maybe parallels (but I didn't use it and it's a subscription now so bleh)
[10:44] <Chipaca> popey: all those should be «[…] Green ☑✅✓✔🗸🗹»
[10:45] <popey> my bad
[10:45] <mborzecki> kinkpad ;)
[10:45] <popey> kde thinkpad -> kinkpad :)
[10:45] <zyga> kinky
[10:46] <popey> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hCiOpnNQ/Screenshot_20180620_114603.png
[10:46] <popey> better
[10:46] <Chipaca> thank you
[10:46] <Chipaca> popey: 18.04?
[10:46] <popey> sorry, i used the raw text from the pastebin, which was my error
[10:46] <popey> 16.04
[10:46] <popey> kde neon
[10:46] <Chipaca> popey: ok
[10:47] <Chipaca> popey: and those strings are now the right utf8 thing, in that order?
[10:48] <popey> i copypasted from the pastebin, so should be as you wrote them
[10:48] <Chipaca> IOW konsole in 16.04 renders ☑ and ✅ the same?
[10:48] <zyga> emoji support is much later
[10:48] <zyga> so that's expected
[10:48] <popey> yeah, i dont think I've fiddled much with the fonts or anything
[10:49] <zyga> is cachio around today
[10:49] <Chipaca> zyga: all of those work acceptably on gnome terminal in 16.04, fwiw
[10:49] <zyga> I wonder if spread somehow forgets to release IP addresses
[10:49] <Chipaca> zyga: no, cachio  is not around today
[10:49] <zyga> maybe after the issue we had lately
[10:49] <zyga> we killed all the stray VMs
[10:49] <zyga> but not their addresses
[10:49] <zyga> sseessesses
[10:49] <zyga> ss... ss..
[10:50] <zyga> I need a coffeee
[10:50] <zyga> eee
[10:50]  * zyga stops
[10:50] <Chipaca> Wimpress: are you around?
[10:50] <zyga> mvo: do you have permissions to see IP address allocations?
[10:52] <popey> Chipaca: he's on a call
[10:52]  * Chipaca installs mate-terminal
[10:53] <mvo> zyga: I don't think so
[10:56] <mup> PR snapd#5358 opened: tests: add spread test to ensure snapd/core18 are not removable <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5358>
[10:57] <ogra_> do we ignore user preferences if interfaces do autoconnect (and do we have a bug for that if this is the case) https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-premissions-automatic-resets/6021
[11:05] <pedronis> ogra_: we had a bug about that what pstolowski landed a fix I think (don't remember when)
[11:06] <ogra_> well, smells like this user didnt get the fix yet ... unless it is really a UI only issue
[11:09] <pstolowski> ogra_, pedronis it landed in master on may 18th - https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4551
[11:09] <mup> PR #4551: ifacestate: do not auto-connect manually disconnected interfaces <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4551>
[11:10] <ogra_> ah, so not in any stable release yet, that explains it
[11:15] <zyga> I guess PRs are stuck in limbo now
[11:15] <zyga> waiting to go over 49 minute mark
[11:15] <zyga> let's not open new PRs
[11:15] <zyga> or re-start anything
[11:15] <zyga> until this clears
[11:19] <mup> PR snapd#5250 closed:  interfaces/udev,misc: only trigger udev events on input subsystem as needed <Reviewed> <Squash-merge> <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5250>
[11:33]  * zyga -> lunch
[11:55] <mup> PR snapd#5359 opened: spread-shellcheck: use a whitelist of files that are allowed to fail validation <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5359>
[11:55] <mborzecki> jamesh: ^^
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#5360 opened: tests: fix shellcheck 0.5.0 warnings <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5360>
[12:30] <zyga> hmm
[12:30] <zyga> I think gce is very unhappy now
[12:31] <zyga> mvo: I'll postpone suse work until I can land the rest of the things to master
[12:31] <zyga> mvo: switching to interfaces in core18
[12:31] <mvo> zyga: yay!
[12:31] <zyga> as we discussed yesterday
[12:31]  * mvo hugs zyga
[12:32] <mup> PR snapd#5361 opened: snapstate: allow removal of snap.TypeOS when using a model with a base <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5361>
[12:33] <pedronis> yes, gce issues are a bit blocking work atm
[12:34] <zyga> Murphy strikes :)
[12:34] <zyga> when Sergio is off, clouds rain
[12:35] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: can you please have a look at a suse packaging change: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5351
[12:35] <mup> PR #5351: packaging/opensuse: build position-independent binaries <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5351>
[12:42] <mup> PR core18#33 opened: hooks: install net-tools package <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/33>
[12:44] <zyga> mvo: I'm -1 on that
[12:48] <mborzecki> hm sergio off, but argentina plays their match only tomorrow ;)
[12:49] <mvo> zyga: yeah, thats fine. I was a bit split about it myself
[12:49] <zyga> mvo: I replied on the thread
[12:50] <pedronis> is a national holiday today there
[12:50] <mborzecki> i'm contemplating switching the shellcheck test to run on arch instead of 18.04, i don't really feel like building shellcheck from source
[12:50] <mborzecki> pedronis: what kind of holiday?
[12:50] <pedronis> I don't know
[12:50] <mup> PR core18#33 closed: hooks: install net-tools package <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/33>
[12:50] <mborzecki> :D
[12:50] <ogra_> chocolate appreciation day :)
[12:50] <pedronis> Flag Day apparently
[12:51] <ogra_> (or was it cheese)
[12:51] <mborzecki> ogra_: fondue?
[12:51] <zyga> mborzecki: cough, snap it, cough
[12:51] <ogra_> lol
[12:51] <mup> PR core18#30 closed: hooks: clenup /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow}.orig <Created by mvo5> <Merged by sil2100> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/30>
[12:51] <zyga> mvo: as I'm thinking about core18
[12:52] <zyga> mvo: can we please ship locales-all and see how big that becomes
[12:52] <sil2100> mvo: what do you think about https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/24 now ?
[12:52] <mup> PR core18#24: Add the systemd-sysv package for tools like shutdown and reboot <Created by sil2100> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/24>
[12:52] <zyga> mvo: I can take that if you don't NACK it
[12:52] <zyga> mvo: locales sans .mo files, that is
[12:52] <mvo> zyga: I tried that and it was huge, let me try again
[12:52] <zyga> if you teach me how to try I could do too
[12:52] <mvo> sil2100: let me check, thanks for the update
[12:52] <zyga> mvo: I'm only after the locale catalogs
[12:53] <zyga> mvo: since apps can relatively easily ship .mo files
[12:53] <zyga> (eventually)
[12:53] <mborzecki> zyga: that might not be such a bad idea after all, only nit is that it's in haskell probably pulls in several GB of packages just for the build
[12:53] <sil2100> zyga: just modify the hook for additional packages and you can add locales-all there - then just build it
[12:53] <zyga> but shipping basic locale would let us fix a class of bugs
[12:53] <sil2100> mvo: you doing that or should I check how the size changes?
[12:53] <sil2100> (to save you time)
[12:54]  * zyga hugs sil2100 and mvo
[12:54] <zyga> seems this is in good hands
[12:54] <Wimpress> Chipaca: I am now
[12:54] <zyga> I'll go back to interfaces
[12:54] <Chipaca> Wimpress: too late har har, too late har har
[12:54] <Wimpress> Sorry.
[12:57] <mvo> sil2100: feel free to test it yourself, I have a meeting in 3min
[12:57] <sil2100> mvo: building with locales-all to compare the size
[12:58] <mvo> sil2100: thank you!
[12:58] <mvo> sil2100: I also update the cleanup PR now
[12:58] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: thank you! I'll update that
[12:58] <sil2100> mvo: same here, although depends if I'll have my sprint load at the same time or I'll be able to get to the snappy one
[13:00] <sil2100> mvo, zyga: by installing locales-all just the snap size increased by 11 MB
[13:00] <zyga> \o/
[13:01] <zyga> that's _neat_
[13:01] <zyga> thank you
[13:01] <zyga> and if you strip the .mo files?
[13:01] <sil2100> Checking!
[13:03]  * Son_Goku still bemoans the poorly named core* snaps
[13:03]  * zyga hugs Son_Goku agreeing
[13:04] <Son_Goku> that's probably going to be one of those things I'm not ever going to let go
[13:04] <Son_Goku> like the dumb thing with /snap
[13:16] <zyga> mvo: comment https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5361#pullrequestreview-130386914
[13:16] <mup> PR #5361: snapstate: allow removal of snap.TypeOS when using a model with a base <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5361>
[13:19] <mup> PR snapd#5362 opened: tests: use "ss" instead of "netstat" (netstat is not available in cor18) <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5362>
[13:25] <mvo> thanks zyga :)
[13:25] <mvo> zyga: will reply after the standup
[13:25] <zyga> ok
[13:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#2163 closed: tests: add lifecycle ordering tests <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2163>
[13:51] <zyga> sil2100: did you get that number without .mo files?
[13:53] <mborzecki> Chipaca: yay, getting consistent results with shellchek from snap :P
[13:53] <sil2100> zyga: not yet! We're still eh, sprint loading
[13:53] <zyga> no worries
[13:53]  * zyga wonders what is "sprint loading"
[13:53] <zyga> in a bus waiting to fly?
[13:53] <sil2100> zyga: I'll have it in a few, just need to run the build
[13:54] <sil2100> zyga: it's like, loading tasks we're going to work on during the next 2 week 'sprint' ;)
[13:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#2164 opened: add support for the "website" field in snapcraft <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2164>
[13:54] <zyga> aah
[13:54] <sil2100> 'loading' == 'committing to working on them'
[14:05] <om26er> Wimpress: ping
[14:11] <sil2100> zyga: oh, there's actually no .mo files installed
[14:12] <sil2100> Not by this package or it's dependencies
[14:12] <zyga> sil2100: thank you
[14:13] <mup> PR snapd#5354 closed: packaging/opensuse: ship apparmor integration if enabled <Simple> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5354>
[14:18] <sil2100> I was wondering why my hook wasn't changing the size, and well, it's because it wasn't removing anything
[14:21] <zyga> Thank you for checking. This is useful data
[14:21]  * zyga -> afk
[14:22] <Chipaca> mborzecki: huzzah
[14:25] <mborzecki> Chipaca: if you feel like reviewing a bit then #5359 and #5360 need some attention :)
[14:25] <mup> PR #5359: spread-shellcheck: use a whitelist of files that are allowed to fail validation <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5359>
[14:25] <mup> PR #5360: tests: fix shellcheck 0.5.0 warnings <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5360>
[14:26] <Chipaca> mborzecki: I never* don't feel like reviewing
[14:29] <Chipaca> mborzecki: question: why not parser.add_argument('--can-fail', default=os.getenv('CAN_FAIL', None)) ?
[14:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#2165 opened: many: automatically detect dependency changes <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2165>
[14:31] <pedronis> mvo:  Chipaca: using "-"  for no publishers break yaml parsing, which we use in  the snap info test
[14:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: hah
[14:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: we use em dash for that in yaml output
[14:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: :)
[14:31] <mborzecki> hm a list item
[14:31] <pedronis> Chipaca: in info ?
[14:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[14:31] <pedronis> ah
[14:32] <Chipaca> pedronis: sorry, an en dash
[14:32] <Chipaca> 					version = "–" // that's an en dash (so yaml is happy)
[14:32] <mvo> Chipaca: nice
[14:32] <pedronis> Chipaca: only in info though, right? the other places use "-"
[14:33] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[14:33] <pedronis> Chipaca: thx
[14:34] <Chipaca> that, and uparrow, and horizontal ellipsis, are all in the default linux console font
[14:36] <Chipaca> mvo: :-)
[14:38] <mborzecki> Chipaca: thanks for the reviews
[14:39] <Chipaca> mborzecki: thanks for the code :)
[14:40] <Chipaca> the switch from whitelist to blacklist makes me happy
[14:40]  * Chipaca is easy to please
[14:51] <niemeyer> Okay, spread -gc seems to be working well, and spread in Travis was updated so it reports properly the job it's running for..
[14:52] <niemeyer> Please let me know if you see any bugs there
[15:07] <niemeyer> Lunch
[15:18] <mup> Issue core18#4 closed:  Crash qt gui aplication (build with core 18 on ubuntu 18.04(LXD))  <Created by EndrII> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/issue/4>
[15:18] <mup> PR core18#24 closed: Add the systemd-sysv package for tools like shutdown and reboot <Created by sil2100> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/24>
[15:19] <mup> Issue core18#4 opened:  Crash qt gui aplication (build with core 18 on ubuntu 18.04(LXD))  <Created by EndrII> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/issue/4>
[15:20] <mup> PR core18#24 opened: Add the systemd-sysv package for tools like shutdown and reboot <Created by sil2100> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/24>
[15:24] <kyrofa> mvo, regarding https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2164, is that actually supported in snapd? The thread to which you linked leads me to believe something isn't quite done there
[15:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#2164: add support for the "website" field in snapcraft <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2164>
[15:24] <cachio> niemeyer, hey, last change in spread is breaking axecutions
[15:24] <kyrofa> pedronis, what do you mean when you say website is not fully exposed to snapd?
[15:25] <cachio> niemeyer, https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/394581202#L791
[15:25] <pedronis> kyrofa: the  APIs that snapd use don't all habe website as  a field
[15:25] <cachio> it is making fail all the travis builds
[15:25] <pedronis> kyrofa:  it's not a snapcraft side issue afaiu
[15:25]  * cachio afk
[15:26] <kyrofa> mvo, pedronis, jdstrand will the review tools let website through?
[15:26] <pedronis> that I don't know, likely not
[15:26] <pedronis> jdstrand is on holiday this week
[15:26] <kyrofa> We need to start using cross-project bugs for this stuff, we need to coordinate better
[15:27] <pedronis> to be fair this was a bit mvo chomping at the bit
[15:28] <kyrofa> Yeah... and it doesn't work, but I'll ignore that ;)
[15:28] <mvo> kyrofa: its not there on the snapd side yet either
[15:29] <kyrofa> mvo, haha!
[15:31] <pedronis> afaiu  this is partly supported by the store and metadata api, but not snapcraft ? or is supported by snapcraft but not over snap.yaml?
[15:32] <kyrofa> pedronis, snapcraft doesn't support a website field at all right now. Other than that, this is the first of heard of it, so I don't know the rest
[15:32] <kyrofa> Note that passthrough is available if folks are just wanting to test it out
[15:32] <pedronis> there's a forum topic with some discussion it (and store does support it)
[15:32] <pedronis> but don't think there was even agreement on the topic itself
[15:32] <kyrofa> Indeed, I read it, and came away shrugging :P
[15:33] <mborzecki> 2018-06-20 14:50:44 Cannot allocate google:ubuntu-18.04-64: cannot allocate new Google server google:ubuntu-18.04-64 (jun201446-697464): cannot find ready marker in console output for google:ubuntu-18.04-64 (jun201446-697464)
[15:42] <mup> PR snapcraft#2164 closed: add support for the "website" field in snapcraft <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2164>
[15:46] <Chipaca> mborzecki: that's google speak for "EOD byeeee"
[15:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: I updated #5352
[16:00] <mup> PR #5352: many: expose full publisher info over the snapd API <Squash-merge> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5352>
[16:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: oh no
[16:00] <Chipaca> :)
[16:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: thank you
[16:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: wee, you even did the 'be more structured' thing :-D
[16:09] <abeato> niemeyer, hi, a new review is needed in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5309 :)
[16:09] <mup> PR #5309: overlord/configstate: add watchdog options <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5309>
[16:19] <mup> PR snapd#5348 closed: packaging/opensuse: snap-confine should be 06755 <Simple> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5348>
[16:28] <pedronis> niemeyer: gce has started given a different kind of error, what mborzecki posted above
[16:29] <niemeyer> Oops.. will have a look shortly
[16:32] <Chipaca> mborzecki: is there a 'glxgears'-like snap?
[16:33] <popey> omgiraffe is the new glxgears
[16:33] <popey> :)
[16:33] <Chipaca> :)
[16:34] <Chipaca> popey: what's missing is that ohmygiraffe has a lot of dependencies that a simple GL thing doesn't have
[16:34] <popey> yeah, true
[16:35] <Chipaca> i'm not after a "is gl working", but rather a "minimal snap that works with opengl that i can steal from"
[16:35] <Chipaca> :)
[16:35] <Chipaca> my usual technique of copying stuff until ldd stops complaining is not working
[16:35] <Chipaca> it's almost as if I should use snapcraft
[16:35]  * Chipaca ponders that
[16:37] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kYpjSMWWnd/
[16:37] <popey> lddtostage  script
[16:37] <popey> point it at a binary, it tells you what packages you need in stage-packages
[16:37] <Chipaca> heh :)
[16:38] <Chipaca> popey: it says I should stage 'nvidia-384'
[16:38]  * Chipaca doubts
[16:58] <niemeyer> I see the bug
[16:59] <niemeyer> mborzecki, pedronis: Please give it another shot
[17:24] <niemeyer> abeato: Thanks for the changes
[17:24] <niemeyer> abeato: Submitted a last round of details there
[17:33] <mborzecki> Chipaca: graphics-debug-tools-bboozzoo, it includes glxinfo, eglinfo, vulkaninfo and xrandr
[17:34] <Chipaca> mborzecki: i'd forgotten about those! thanks
[17:40] <abeato> niemeyer, great, thanks
[17:41] <niemeyer> mborzecki: Is it working now?
[18:05] <thiras> https://github.com/snapcrafters/discord/issues/35
[18:13] <mborzecki> niemeyer: yup, PRs are slowly getting green
[18:13] <niemeyer> \o/
[18:31] <zyga> re!
[18:31]  * zyga is done with doctors for a while
[18:31] <zyga> and all is good
[18:31] <zyga> and I can (I think) focus on work now
[19:25] <niemeyer> zyga: Congrats! :)
[19:25] <zyga> niemeyer: haha, thank you :)
[19:25] <zyga> we are all happy and now much calmer


[20:43] <Fleck> ubuntu is not booting when i have my cd/dvd rom attached...
[20:43] <chreekat> I just installed 11.04 and find that the 'make caps lock an extra control' option doesn't seem to do anything in gnome-keyboard-properties. I see lots of bugs regarding this particular feature, but none that straight up say 'it doesn't work.' Does anyone know if anybody else has mentioned this?
[20:43] <Fleck> any ideas?
[20:43] <Fleck> and if i add other, boots, but hangs when i insert cd/dvd sometimes
[20:45] <akitta> Fleck:  are your boot settings cd/dvd set before /HD in boot menu ?
[20:45] <CounterPillow> y u no answer
[20:45] <Fleck> akitta doesn't matter
[20:46] <dioxin> Fleck: have you ensured that the CD is readable?
[20:46] <akitta> Fleck: saying that when i have any cd inserted in the cd/dvd-drive. it never boots up, even if it's just a music cd it seems to stop it booting
[20:46] <Fleck> dioxin doesn't boot with no disc in drive
[20:47] <Fleck> akitta ubuntu starts to boot, i get grub menu, press enter, then stuck!
[20:47] <akitta> dioxin: i think he means ubuntu on hs HD, but if he connects his cd/dvd by usb it's crashing it or failig
[20:47] <Fleck> akitta i have ubuntu in HDD yes, installed already!
[20:47] <delinquentme> heres another question .. i go to install Sun- java .. and it seems that nautilus think im running a AMD 64 processor? and therefore wont let me install it?
[20:47] <delinquentme> i know for a fact that im running an Intel i5??
[20:47] <swayer> i have installed ubuntu and i cant get the launcher to show up any ideas
[20:47] <laanan> ok...why are my .exes opening as archives instead of applications? In file manager, I have the check box checked for...run as application...
[20:47] <CounterPillow> How can I make ikons blink in ubutunu???????!!!!!?
[20:48] <MonkeyDust> laanan: .exe needs wine
[20:48] <dioxin> join #ubuntu-server
[20:48] <auronandace> delinquentme: that is 64bit
[20:48] <h00k> ubottu: punctuation | CounterPillow
[20:48] <laanan> I have wine installed
[20:48] <laanan> like, the icon is wine
[20:48] <laanan> for the exe
[20:48] <CounterPillow> y u tell me dis i need icons blink
[20:48] <delinquentme> auronandace, so you cant install sun SDK on a 64 bi machine? . and why does it say AMD64/
[20:48] <akitta> Fleck: i don't know why it happens but i get same grub error if theres any media in my cd/dvd drive. hAVE YOU GOOGLED THE ISSUE
[20:49] <auronandace> delinquentme: amd64 is just the name given to the architecture
[20:49] <m3asmi> any idea about wifi connexion http://pastebin.com/w9FFDkYF
[20:49] <delinquentme> auronandace, ahh ok thanks
[20:49] <auronandace> np
[20:49] <Fleck> akitta but i have this problem even with no disc in drive
[20:49] <Fleck> when i disconnect my cdrom - works great ;P
[20:49] <swayer> i have installed ubuntu and i cant get the launcher to show up any ideas
[20:50] <CounterPillow> I am king of simbabwe i need icons blink why you not help me
[20:50] <auronandace> !java | delinquentme
[20:50] <h00k> !patience | CounterPillow
[20:50] <akitta> Fleck: I have no idea sorry.
[20:50] <piyushmishra> I want to allow a user to use $ sudo _____ commands so I add the user to admin or sudo ?
[20:50] <Fleck> akitta or when i disable IDE in bios - boots ok and even detects my cdrom, and works cool! :) i just cant boot from cd/dvd if its disabled in bios :)
[20:50] <CounterPillow> nonono i need icons blink
[20:50] <nytek_> piyushmishra: just install sudo
[20:51] <Fleck> ok thx for trying akitta :)
[20:51] <piyushmishra> they should be in a group that has full access right?
[20:51] <laanan> oh...monkeydust..I option-clicked to get open with wine application launcher..that seems to have at least done something (although, not sure if my application will actuallly run...not sure if wine works with all programs or what)...
[20:51] <SIFTU> piyushmishra: whatever group is your /etc/sudoers.. also they have to log out and back in to get their new group membership
[20:51] <piyushmishra> I have both groups in there
[20:51] <bfreis> I have some trouble with Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud. I've managed to setup a cloud, but after a while, one of the node controllers won't work anymore. The "euca-describe-availability-zones verbose" command will show less resources available than the total (the difference correspond exactly to 1 node being down). In the logs, cc.log shows that the node controller didn't respond some requests, and in the node controller's axis2c.log I see "invalid timest
[20:51] <bfreis> amp" problems. I've already installed and correctly configured NTP on the cloud controller and the node controllers, the time is perfectly synchronized. Still, I get these errors! I've googled for many hours, but no solution beyond "install ntp" has been proposed. Any ideas?
[20:51] <akitta> Flex: have you tried manually unmounting the drive
[20:51] <piyushmishra> admin and sudo
[20:51] <laanan> Oh, sweet. It worked...now I can play games!
[20:52] <trinimoses> question  : if a log file doesnt exist wouldnt ubuntu create a new one for it ?
[20:52] <s1m> Fleck: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDBootOptions , might be helpful.
[20:52] <piyushmishra> trinimoses: depends on filepermissions I guess
[20:52] <trinimoses> hrm..
[20:52] <akitta> Fleck: if you've disabled it in bios it will not work ??(!!)
[20:52] <trinimoses> hrm
[20:53] <SIFTU> trinimoses: yes it should
[20:53] <Fleck> akitta if i disable in bios - i cannot boot from cd/dvd - there simply is no such option to chose to boot from cd/dvd :D but ubuntu detects my cdrom anyway and it does work great in ubuntu :)
[20:54] <trinimoses> so if i reboot my box.. i should see some new log files in my /var/log when the services restart ?
[20:54] <Fleck> s1m and for what to look there?
[20:54] <SIFTU> trinimoses: you shouldnt have to reboot.. try restarting a service or 2 if they arnt appearing
[20:54] <piyushmishra> SIFTU: how to add a user to a group :D
[20:55] <trinimoses> cuz photorec has found 13k txt files so far
[20:55] <g-hennux> hi!
[20:55] <akitta> piyushmishra: adduser
[20:56] <SIFTU> piyushmishra: usermod -g (make sure you use -a too)
[20:56] <SIFTU> piyushmishra: sorry -G
[20:56] <g-hennux> i'm looking for a tool to draw diagrams like <http://mathforum.org/sum95/suzanne/many2.gif>, with a) only a predefined set of tiles, b) in a user-friendly way and c) without manually specifying coordinates, i.e. there should be something like "snap into place". anyone knows such a tool?
[20:56] <s1m> Fleck: Grub boot options , or Kernel Parameters.
[20:56] <SIFTU> piyushmishra: usermod -a -G <group> <user>
[20:56] <piyushmishra> SIFTU: ty!
[20:57] <bfreis> Is this the right place to ask about Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud?
[20:57] <trinimoses> sadly i wish ubuntu had an undelete tool like windows where i can specific the folder to check
[20:57] <auronandace> bfreis: yes, you could also try #ubuntu-server
[20:58] <SIFTU> trinimoses: if you really wanted to keep your logs you would use a syslog server to a remote system
[20:58] <trinimoses> k siftu
[21:00] <derp_> hi all. do ATI cards work with linux yet?
[21:00] <derp_> correction: do they work /well/
[21:00] <blsh0p> are there any extra docks for unity?
[21:00] <blsh0p> can i get any other docks like biodock
[21:02] <blsh0p> what are some cool docks for unity?
[21:02] <auronandace> derp_: try it an see (i couldn't tell you, i use nvidia)
[21:02] <blsh0p> other than the one on the left side?
[21:04] <skjoedt> In some bash scripts there are a "2>" in the end of the commands, what good is it doing?
[21:04] <derp_> auronandace: problem is, same here. nvidia's currently fallen a bit behind in the benchmarks lately, and i'm looking to build  a new syste,
[21:04] <derp_> *system.
[21:04] <motophreaker> Wonder if anyone would be interested in contributing their Linux knowledge on a new forum??? blazingimage.net
[21:04] <Dmole> skjoedt: redirecting the error out
[21:04] <rww> motophreaker: don't advertise here, please
[21:04] <derp_> i haven't used ATI cards in years, and i was wondering if they were still off-limits to linux users
[21:05] <hierman1> hello
[21:05] <motophreaker> sorry rww
[21:05] <hierman1> !list
[21:05] <motophreaker> no advert just wanted to know
[21:05] <delinquentme> how is it so difficult to add  universe to the ubuntu repo list
[21:05] <Dmole> derp_: they worked 6 years ago and today aswell
[21:05] <delinquentme> ive read through 3 web pages and it should be a single stinking line .... why does the ubuntu manpage on this drag it out
[21:06] <derp_> dmole, aye, they do output a usable signal, but the gap between windows performance and linux performance has been pretty substantial, if i recall correctly
[21:06] <derp_> nvidia drivers, on the other hand, have been pretty close between the two OSs
[21:08] <Dmole> derp_: if its a performance question you might want to look for a benchmark for your specific card~
[21:09] <derp_> dmole, again, i don't have a card yet. i'm looking to build a new computer.
[21:09] <derp_> dmole, where can i find linux benchmarks, anyway? everywhere i know to look is windows-only.
[21:09] <m3asmi> I can't connecte to wirless network http://pastebin.com/index/w9FFDkYF
[21:10] <auronandace> derp_: try phoronix
[21:11] <derp_> auronandace: good call! the first article is almost exactly what i'm looking for.
[21:11] <CosmicVoyager> Hi. Is there a way to get a drive you plug in to show without restarting? I only see a drive if was plugged in on boot.
[21:11] <derp_> auronandace, Dmole: thanks for your help!
[21:11] <CosmicVoyager> Is there a way to make the computer look for new drives?
[21:12] <auronandace> derp_ no worries :)
[21:13] <CosmicVoyager> Is there a way to make Ubuntu look for newly plugged in drives? They don't show unless I restart.
[21:13] <IncredibleStorm> Thoughts: keeping /usr on a seperate drive from /
[21:14] <ArchMage> what do you mean plugged in drives?
[21:14] <IncredibleStorm> CosmicVoyager: Do you mean USB drives? CD-ROMs?
[21:14] <graingert> CosmicVoyager: like sata?
[21:14] <graingert> or IDE?
[21:14] <graingert> IDE is not plug and play
[21:14] <CosmicVoyager> graingert sata
[21:15] <Guest98707> ola
[21:15] <IncredibleStorm> You have to edit fstab for an ide
[21:15] <Guest98707> d
[21:15] <IncredibleStorm> but 1.4 floppy disks generally autodetect. LOL
[21:15] <CosmicVoyager> incrediblestorm internal sata
[21:16] <IncredibleStorm> You gotta use a disk utility that can update fstab, or edit /etc/fstab yourself. I think.
[21:16] <IncredibleStorm> You don't change the drive often do you?
[21:16] <CosmicVoyager> IncredibleStorm where is fstab?
[21:17] <ArchMage> get off me casual
[21:18] <CosmicVoyager> IncredibleStorm so there is no program that will show it like disk utility?
[21:18] <ArchMage> why do you need to plug in different devices to SATA so often?
[21:18] <Um_cara_Qualquer> excuse me, is there anybody who knows a little bit "assembler" language programing?
[21:18] <CosmicVoyager> archmage not often. just now.
[21:18] <IncredibleStorm> If you have disk utility it should be showing it
[21:19] <ArchMage> so just restart it?
[21:19] <rww> Um_cara_Qualquer: try ##asm
[21:19] <IncredibleStorm> Archmage: sata I agree, but I love to toy with cast-aside old stuff. LOL
[21:19] <ArchMage> lol
[21:20] <CosmicVoyager> archmage my question is not if i should restart or not. it is if there is a way to show the disk without restarying.
[21:20] <IncredibleStorm> Hey, for 1 dollar, you can't get a 40g DVD at a rummage sale, lol
[21:20] <ArchMage> have you tried google?
[21:21] <IncredibleStorm> CosmicVoyager: Do you HAVE disk utility?
[21:21] <CosmicVoyager> IncredibleStorm yes
[21:21] <Tatrasiel> does anyone know how to add repositories via command line?
[21:21] <IncredibleStorm> CosmicVoyager: If so, does it show the disk?
[21:21] <ArchMage> anal repositories?
[21:21] <CosmicVoyager> IncredibleStorm no. but when i reboot it does
[21:21] <Tatrasiel> isn't like atp-get deb http://"repo
[21:22] <IncredibleStorm> wow
[21:22] <CosmicVoyager> IncredibleStorm i thought maybe i was overlooking a way to scan for new volumes
[21:22] <IncredibleStorm> that message just took the cake
[21:22] <kermit> how do i set a timeout in grub to automaticly boot the first menu option?
[21:22] <Tatrasiel> or is it wget add deb http:ppa."repo name"
[21:23] <IncredibleStorm> CosmicVoyager: your system determines all ide "disks" at POST time, after that, whatever is there is there, unless you are talking USB/Floppy/CD-ROM or something else I don't know about
[21:24] <CosmicVoyager> IncredibleStorm ok thanks
[21:24] <kisuke> !wifi > kisuke
[21:24] <Him> Hi all. Is there an official place where I can grab 10.10?
[21:25] <kisuke> Him: yeah ubutu.com should have it.
[21:25] <kisuke> Him: ubuntu.com*
[21:25] <Him> kisuke: All it hast is the LTS and 11.04
[21:25] <kisuke> !10.10
[21:26] <kisuke> Him: ^\
[21:26] <Him> Thankee very much.
[21:26] <kisuke> !wifi > kisuke
[21:32] <nilzie> is there an ubuntu with gnome 3 by default? like theres  kubuntu with kde etc
[21:33] <glebihan> nilzie, no stable version yet, oneiric will run gnome3 though
[21:33] <OerHeks> nilzie next release oneiric will have gnome3
[21:34] <OerHeks> next thursday 22nd beta 2, but for support join #Ubuntu+1
[21:35] <nilzie> OerHeks: instead of junity?
[21:35] <nilzie> unity"
[21:35] <alexd285> join #firefox
[21:35] <glebihan> nilzie, unity *is* gnome (well a shell for gnome)
[21:35] <OerHeks> no, unity is still the default ontop of gnome3
[21:35] <nilzie> glebihan: oh ok but i mean gnome shell >)
[21:36] <glebihan> nilzie, it won't be installed by default, but you will be able to install it if you want
[21:42] <m_22> hej xx
[21:43] <m_22> hi xx
[21:44] <m_22><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:46] <qin> m_22: First time on Internet?
[21:51] <jeffcutsinger> Is there a program  that will help locate wireless APs? Show estimated distance and direction, etc.
[21:54] <qin> jeffcutsinger: iwconig gives all values, rest is oldschool triangulation.
[21:54] <qin> *iwconfig
[21:55] <Zwei_> ne
[21:56] <Zwei_> hey i got a question about using ubuntu
[21:56] <qin> !ask
[21:56] <Zwei_> i remember back in Ubuntu 10 how do you turn the wall into the cube
[21:56] <Zwei_> for the workspaces
[21:57] <IStorm> wow
[22:00] <almoxarife> jeffcutsinger: kismet with gps will do some of that
[22:05] <groumf> Hi guys, I'm trying to install ubuntu on lvm using the desktop install iso.is there an advanced install which i'm missing?
[22:05] <qin> !alternate
[22:05] <Artem> Hi
[22:06] <Artem> What does it mean when it says
[22:06] <Artem> Can not mount /dev/loop on / cow
[22:07] <groumf> qin so the standard version doesn't do it. ok.
[22:07] <qin> groumf: Not, as far as I know.
[22:07] <Artem> .
[22:07] <Artem> any know how to fix that
[22:07] <groumf> qin, cool thanks, I'll get it.
[22:08] <white_magic> if i'm trying to add a repository, like ppa:foo/bar, what should it look like in /etc/apt/sources.list? Just 'deb foo/bar'? Assume for a second that I want to do this manually
[22:08] <Artem> I have no idea what im doing
[22:09] <Artem> What does "Can not mount /dev/loop on / cow" mean
[22:09] <edusant> hello guys
[22:09] <qin> white_magic: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ , not sure if ppa still write to main file.
[22:10] <Artem> Can anyone help?
[22:10] <IdleOne> white_magic: the ppa line would look something like: deb http://some.host.com...
[22:11] <robertzaccour> how come screencasting is very freezy and output video has almost no movement all frozen like? I have an Acer 4330-2618. thanks in advance
[22:11] <IdleOne> much like the rest of the entries in sources.list
[22:11] <edusant> im having this issue when i close the lid of my laptop, the ubuntu freezes and i have to do a hard restart, i found this but im not that tech savy to be honest and i understand half of whats being said there, also the fact im pretty new to ubuntu. can anyone lend me a hand?
[22:11] <edusant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/65027
[22:12] <white_magic> idleOne: i'm just trying to follow instructions here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/keepass/forums/forum/329220/topic/4503818 . the problem is, neither apt-add-repo* nor add-apt-repo* are available for me
[22:12] <robertzaccour> oops I meant acer 4339-2618
[22:12] <white_magic> i tried installing python-s/w-properties but its already installed, so im not sure what the problem is
[22:12] <white_magic> IdleOne: if it was just a url in the instructions, i could manage that easily..
[22:13] <todd__> anyone know the easy way to redirect port 8080 to port 80 (my app is on 8080 and I want it to be on port 80 also, all the time)?
[22:14] <IdleOne> white_magic: keepass2 is in the ubuntu repos, just sudo apt-get install keepass2
[22:14] <white_magic> IdleOne: I have debian..
[22:14] <Corey> todd__: Have whatever binds to 8080 bind instead to 80.  Failing that, use something like nginx or apache on port 80 to proxy port 8080.
[22:14] <white_magic> IdleOne: I thought they're closely enough related to ask here as well
[22:14] <edusant> :( halp!
[22:15] <edusant> i have a cat pls halp!
[22:15] <IdleOne> white_magic: you thought wrong :) try asking in #debian.
[22:15] <Corey> !patience | edusant
[22:15] <white_magic> IdleOne: thanks for trying, though!
[22:15] <IdleOne> white_magic: sure thing but I would think keepass is also in debian repos. anyway check with them.
[22:15] <robertzaccour> how come screencasting is very freezy and output video has almost no movement all frozen like? I have an Acer 4339-2618. thanks in advance
[22:15] <todd__> Corey: I tryed binding to 80, and there is something preventing it.... something like??? could you be more specific?
[22:16] <robertzaccour> in recordmydesktop I mean
[22:16] <Corey> edusant: And just as an aside, prefacing a technical question with "I'm stupid with technology" doesn't make it likelier for folks to help you.
[22:16] <rgb247> anyone can help me to setup a metamode for twinview of two monitors?
[22:16] <edusant> did you just called me stupid?
[22:16] <edusant> i said im not that much tech savy
[22:16] <Corey> todd__: Root permissions (see !sudo) are needed to bind to low ports such as 80.  It will also fail if something is pre-existingly bound to 80.
[22:16] <Corey> edusant: I was paraphrasing your qualifier.
[22:16] <edusant> dont know if that means stupid in your world
[22:17] <IStorm> rgb247: I think I wanna hear the answer here, just stuck a new card in a very old machine
[22:17] <edusant> it doesnt in mine... and im just saying im new to the system and no clue on how it works
[22:17] <edusant> im guessing you where the same when you first used it
[22:17] <MonkeyDust> !troll| edusant
[22:18] <todd__> Corey: Yep, did that, it runs without error as I am root, but does not show up in browser. I am trying to get tomcat to run on 80, not 8080 btw, apt tomcat
[22:18] <MonkeyDust> !trol| edusant
[22:18] <rgb247> IStorm: which answer?
[22:18] <edusant> !trol | monkeydust
[22:18] <rgb247> IStorm: can you help me?
[22:18] <todd__> Corey: how do I tell what may be bound to 80?
[22:19] <qin> edusant: Let's start over, how we can help you?
[22:19] <edusant> im having this issue when i close the lid of my laptop, the ubuntu freezes and i have to do a hard restart, i found this but im not that tech savy to be honest and i understand half of whats being said there, also the fact im pretty new to ubuntu. can anyone lend me a hand?
[22:19] <chocolates> Guys I am following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair. And am running the commands in Livecd. After the second command, I get the error: "Unable to locate package boot." could someone please help me?
[22:19] <IStorm> rgb247: about the metamode for twinview....etc.... I'm not even sure what I should do with 2 g-cards yet, at the very worst, I learn something new
[22:19] <edusant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/65027
[22:20] <rgb247> IStorm: I don't have two cards, only one with two DVI outputs
[22:20] <todd__> anyone know the easy way to redirect port 8080 to port 80 (my app is on 8080 and I want it to be on port 80 also, all the time)?
[22:20] <edusant> btw thanks qin
[22:20] <Havacore> anyone here know how to clean up the boot menu when starting my computer?  I have win7, memtest and about 10 different ones saying linux,ubuntu
[22:20] <IStorm> rgb247: does the systems read it like 2 cards? just curious
[22:20] <Corey> todd__: netstat -antp
[22:21] <rgb247> IStorm: no, but if I connect two monitors in these output, the system wil recognize both of monitors
[22:21] <rgb247> I have extended desktop right now
[22:21] <IStorm> rgb247: actually, come to think of it, my laptop should be like that when booted in linux, it has it's monitor and can support another independantly.
[22:21] <rgb247> but in games (warcraft 3) I have double width resoltion, and I can't change this...
[22:22] <robertzaccour> how come recordmydesktop is very freezy and video has almost no movement all frozen like? I have an Acer 4339-2618. thanks in advance
[22:22] <pythonsnake> Hello
[22:22] <todd__> Corey: we got 631, 8005, and 8080 only, so thats not it
[22:22] <pythonsnake> Will MacBuntu work with arch ? anyone tried ?
[22:22] <qin> edusant: Compare kernel with this but: uname -r
[22:23] <IStorm> rgb247: Well, I'm installing Xubuntu on the machine with 2 graphics cards atm. I'm wondering how it will come up, but we'll see, should be about 20 mins
[22:23] <al_nz1> whats a good way to measure cuda cores useage?
[22:23] <edusant> qin i wish i knew what that means... im guessing is i have to open the terminal and type but: uname -r ?
[22:23] <qin> edusant: The easy way it to: sudo pm-suspend  and paste logs if frozen
[22:23] <IStorm> rgb247: understand that's not your situation though
[22:23] <todd__> anyone know the easy way to redirect port 8080 to port 80 (my app is on 8080 and I want it to be on port 80 also, all the time)?
[22:24] <robertzaccour> how come recordmydesktop is very freezy and video has almost no movement all frozen like? I have an Acer 4339-2618. thanks in advance
[22:24] <pythonsnake> anyone tried macbuntu with arch?
[22:24] <graingert> robertzaccour: what's your graphics card?
[22:24] <edusant> ok qin will type that in the terminal, before i do, where will i find the log for it?
[22:25] <graingert> pythonsnake: does this _look_ like #arch
[22:25] <pythonsnake> graingert: no
[22:25] <Corey> todd__: Then as I said, have something else proxy, such as apache or nginx.
[22:25] <pythonsnake> because macbuntu is for ubuntu
[22:25] <graingert> pythonsnake: and arch is?
[22:26] <robertzaccour> graingert: Intel HD Graphics
[22:26] <graingert> robertzaccour: that-b-why
[22:26] <pythonsnake> graingert: a distro
[22:26] <graingert> pythonsnake: so go to #archlinux
[22:26] <robertzaccour> graingert: what is why?
[22:26] <robertzaccour> graingert: it works perfectly in windows 7 with camtasia studio
[22:26] <graingert> oh
[22:27] <graingert> odd
[22:27] <todd__> Corey: Great, it would be whatever is installed by default in 11.4, I just installed the system clean, so the only change was the tomcat add
[22:27] <pythonsnake> ...
[22:27] <Corey> todd__: Both are available in the repositories.
[22:27] <pythonsnake> is there ubuntu bleeding edge ?
[22:28] <todd__> Corey: Both? both what?
[22:28] <Corey> todd__: http://serverfault.com/questions/293348/configure-nginx-for-jboss-tomcat goes into it some for nginx, alludes to the apache configuration as well.
[22:28] <nuclearworm> hello im trying to install a .sh file but with no success, i get a cannot allocate memory message, anyone help?
[22:28] <pythonsnake> I meant can I get latest packages ? is there a testing repo ?
[22:28] <todd__> Corey: I followed, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 is this a bad site to go to?
[22:28] <Corey> nuclearworm: What does uname -a say?
[22:29] <graingert> pythonsnake: does this look like #ubuntu+1
[22:29] <graingert> ;)
[22:29] <rgb247> anyone can help me to setup a metamode on two monitors on nvidia?
[22:29] <robertzaccour> graingert: any ideas?
[22:29] <todd_> Corey: see the section on port 80... why does this not work?
[22:29] <graingert> rgb247: probably
[22:29] <graingert> robertzaccour: nope
[22:29] <nuclearworm> Corey , uname? is it a command?
[22:30] <Corey> nuclearworm: Yes.
[22:30] <rgb247> graingert: can you help me?
[22:30] <Corey> nuclearworm: One line should return from "uname -a" in your terminal.  Please paste that one line here.
[22:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> pythonsnake:  ubuntu doesnt have rolling dev releases.  but there's betas of ubuntu+1.  check out #ubuntu+1 for questions.
[22:30] <graingert> rgb247: what's the issue
[22:30] <pythonsnake> ok
[22:30] <graingert> rgb247: use the gui to create the xorg.conf
[22:30] <rgb247> I want to set a metamode - I heard this can solve my problem
[22:30] <todd__> Corey: No, that is not what I am looking for, I do NOT want apache on my box
[22:30] <graingert> and it will comment out the old line if you use merge
[22:30] <rgb247> when I launch a game (warcraft 3) it have a double width resolution
[22:30] <Corey> todd__: Then what do you propose listens on port 80? :-)
[22:30] <graingert> rgb247: yeah
[22:31] <graingert> rgb247: I'm actually an expert on this
[22:31] <Corey> I'd use nginx, but that's just me.
[22:31] <graingert> rgb247: can you pastebin your xorg.conf
[22:31] <rgb247> ok, wait a second please
[22:31] <robertzaccour> graingert: maybe I should give ffmpeg a try and see how it is
[22:31] <graingert> don't think ffmpeg records desktops
[22:32] <rgb247> http://pastebin.com/skTFKJD6
[22:32] <nuclearworm> Corey , uname: extra operand (filename)
[22:32] <rgb247> this is my xorg.conf
[22:32] <todd__> Corey: I folowed the directions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 and it did not work for the port 80 redirect, I just want the stuff on 8080 to be accessable via 80, it is a clean box outside apt tomcat and following that page, what should I do now?
[22:32] <Corey> nuclearworm: No, that's incorrect.  uname -a<enter>
[22:32] <hylian> what would allow you to run a graphical program like links 2 without x? inx does it...??
[22:33] <rgb247> graingert: http://pastebin.com/skTFKJD6 this is my xorg.conf
[22:33] <nuclearworm> Corey , Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[22:33] <SIFTU> graingert: robertzaccour ffmpeg can record the desktop
[22:33] <MonkeyDust> hylian: ssh -Y to localhost
[22:33] <Corey> nuclearworm: Please pastebin the output of free -m
[22:34] <edusan> qin im back... typing the command sudo pm -suspend did in fact recreate the problem of closing the lid
[22:34] <todd__> Corey: suggestions???
[22:34] <hylian> MonkeyDust, so they are ssh'ing into a localhost? but a gui never launches... it's all done from the same machine...??
[22:34] <nsq> does anybody knows a good application for recording 3d games (like fraps)? .. im not searching for something like recordmydesktop, because it takes to much power.
[22:34] <graingert> rgb247: crumbs okay rather than merging in your xorg.conf can you call this one xorg.conf.bak
[22:34] <edusan> now about those logs... im on the log viewer but im lost on wich ones are the ones you need
[22:34] <graingert> rgb247: and make a new one with your current settings
[22:34] <IStorm> hmm
[22:35] <graingert> rgb247: this has way too many changes
[22:35] <nuclearworm> Corey , free -m is about ram?
[22:35] <rgb247> graingert: ok, I'll backing up now
[22:35] <MonkeyDust> hylian: you can boot into a terminal and the ssh -Y to you own pc
[22:35] <Corey> todd__: I suggest not binding Tomcat to port 80 at all.  There are very good reasons not to do this.
[22:35] <rgb247> graingert: I've made a backup
[22:35] <MonkeyDust> hylian: or you can ssh -Y to a remote pc and run a graphical program
[22:36] <todd__> Corey: I am aware of this... should the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 page have that section removed?
[22:36] <SIFTU> nsq: if it opengl based you can try glc
[22:37] <nuclearworm> Corey , Mem:           496        475         20          0         37        187
[22:37] <techcrisis> sup all
[22:37] <graingert> rgb247: okay now make a new one - using nvidia-settings
[22:37] <Corey> todd__: No, they describe how to do it.  That's ill advised, but that's their prerogative.
[22:37] <hylian> MonkeyDust, ok, but why would that allow you to run a graphical program? this is a live cd that does not run x, does not connect to any other machine, but is still able to run graphical apps, and runs off of ubuntu...
[22:37] <graingert> rgb247: how you want it to be most of the time
[22:37] <nsq> SIFTU: would it work with directx games running in wine?
[22:37] <graingert> rgb247: ie two screens
[22:37] <SIFTU> nsq: nope
[22:37] <graingert> rgb247: but don't merge it, say to create a new one
[22:37] <todd__> Corey: well then why does it not work, wait let me go to the support site... #ubuntu... ough wait :-)
[22:38] <Corey> todd__: I feel like I'm explaining why things are done a certain way, and you're ignoring everything I'm saying and demanding an answer.
[22:38] <rgb247> graingert: I don't understand, I've made a copy of xorg.conf named xorg.conf.bak, now what I should do?
[22:38] <qin> edusan: logs have time stamp, messages syslog and kern.log are usual suspects, what if you sudo pm-hibernate
[22:38] <rgb247> graingert: can we talk in private please?
[22:38] <Corey> todd__: One I've already given you, in fact.
[22:38] <w30> how do I add an  --indirect-rendering argument to Unity compiz?
[22:38] <Corey> !pm
[22:38] <nuclearworm> Corey , i guess i have only 20mb free ram. i m using ubuntu live usb .
[22:39] <MonkeyDust> hylian: "why" is a philosophical question, but do try ssh -Y [your_ip_address] "firefox"
[22:39] <pythonsnake> should I get 10.04, 11.04 or 11.10 ?
[22:39] <Corey> nuclearworm: That would do it.
[22:39] <qin> edusan: Have you checked if your kernel is same as mentioned in bug?
[22:39] <graingert> rgb247: use the nvidia-settings too to create a new xorg.conf
[22:39] <graingert> rgb247: how you would like your desktop to be
[22:39] <todd__> Corey: I am sorry if you feel that way, but I guess I am missed where you explained how one would make :80 look like :8080, could you tell me again please?
[22:40] <rgb247> graingert: I want my desktop to be like in the first xorg.conf which I've sent to you
[22:40] <hylian> MonkeyDust, i could see that working, because currently I am running x.
[22:40] <graingert> rgb247: I know but it's been merged over the top of a load of other configs
[22:40] <jeffrey1790> kernel.org is still down.
[22:40] <graingert> rgb247: and it's too messy
[22:40] <jeffrey1790> wow
[22:40] <rgb247> graingert: so I need to clean the xorg.conf and after config again, right?
[22:40] <pythonsnake> what do you recommend me ? 10.04, 11.04 or 11.10 ?
[22:40] <MonkeyDust> hylian: great, now try it without running x
[22:40] <graingert> rgb247: just run nvidia-settings
[22:41] <jeffrey1790> 8.04 FTW.
[22:41] <rww> pythonsnake: do you want to upgrade every 3 years or every 6 months?
[22:41] <jeffrey1790> haha
[22:41] <rgb247> graingert: I ran
[22:41] <graingert> rgb247: and save your current settings to the xorg.conf and don't let it merge
[22:41] <rgb247> got it, wait a second please
[22:41] <pythonsnake> rww: hmm, i dont care of that..
[22:41] <pythonsnake> I can upgrade everytime
[22:41] <edusan> sorry i dont understand how to compare them, and i know it might be kind of annoying.
[22:41] <graingert> rgb247: it's clever this - you'll like it
[22:41] <graingert> edusan: diff
[22:41] <hylian> MonkeyDust, ok ill get inx up and running and do that. I guess my thinking process was that all graphical programs on ubuntu had to have x running firest?
[22:41] <jeffrey1790> honestly, it seems like ubuntu is getting much worse. kinda seems thrown togther.
[22:42] <rahduke> hey little help please, all of a sudden all my videos in Movie PLayer (totem?) play in black and white.... whats up with that?
[22:42] <pythonsnake> rww: both seems ok
[22:42] <MonkeyDust> hylian: first write down that line, lest you forget it
[22:42] <rgb247> graingert: http://pastebin.com/WJkZvgwV
[22:42] <graingert> rahduke: you can set the saturation somewhere
[22:42] <todd__> Corey: Are you there????
[22:42] <bastidrazor> pythonsnake: if you don't care then go for 10.04 and be happy with stability.
[22:42] <graingert> rgb247: you checked it works?
[22:42] <rww> pythonsnake: then 10.04
[22:42] <graingert> rgb247: much nicer init
[22:42] <jeffrey1790> yeah... 10.04
[22:42] <rgb247> graingert: I didn't made a restart.. I should do?
[22:43] <rahduke> duh fixed it myself.... sorry
[22:43] <rgb247> graingert: only saved these configs
[22:43] <pythonsnake> ok 04
[22:43] <pythonsnake> thanks
[22:43] <graingert> rgb247: yeah to check it works - if it does not you'll need to copy your backup over
[22:43] <rgb247> graingert: how can I be sure it's work? I need to restart my computer?
[22:43] <todd__> OK I will take that as they have droped off...
[22:43] <graingert> rgb247: restart x or log cycle
[22:44] <nosetto> window 1
[22:44] <todd__> can anyone explain why the port redirect in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 does not work?
[22:44] <nosetto> window 2
[22:44] <nuclearworm> Corey , perhaps i should upggrade kernel?
[22:45] <Corey> nuclearworm: That doesn't necessarily follow. How's that going to sort out a memory allocation error?
[22:45] <Corey> nuclearworm: Either don't use a LiveCD for things that require that much RAM, or upgrade the system with more RAM.
[22:45] <todd__> Corey: NICE, very nice! Please do not talk to me ok?
[22:45] <todd__> can anyone explain why the port redirect in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 does not work?
[22:46] <pythonsnake> I'm going to switch to Ubuntu.
[22:46] <graingert> rgb247: you still alive?
[22:46] <Corey> todd__: The people here are volunteers.  It's a good idea to remember that. :-)
[22:46] <nuclearworm> Corey , it s not a livecd but a liveusb, is it the same?
[22:46] <Corey> nuclearworm: Same theory, yeah-- the running system lives entirely in RAM.
[22:46] <mordof> anyone have a link to Documentation detailing the metacity-theme-V.xml files?
[22:47] <todd__> Corey: Sure, and beleve it or not I have helped 5 people while waiting, and I am not rude
[22:47] <todd__> can anyone explain why the port redirect in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 does not work?
[22:47] <mordof> the theme I'm using has some issues i'd like to fix, but the values aren't even in the xml file.
[22:47] <hylian> MonkeyDust, heh, that port be closed matey.
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> hylian: which port?
[22:48] <mordof> nevermind, found the documentation
[22:48] <nuclearworm> Corey , ok , thanks very much
[22:48] <rgb> ok, I've restarted the startx, everything is fine
[22:48] <rgb> graindem: are you still there?
[22:48] <Corey> nuclearworm: Good luck.
[22:48] <hylian> MonkeyDust, 22
[22:49] <Corey> hylian: Ooh, good call, matey.
[22:49] <edusan> ok this is what i found at the time of me putting that command, Sep 19 18:25:19 eduardo-HP-HDX-16-Notebook-PC kernel: [ 1883.422809] EXT4-fs (sda4): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0
[22:49] <edusan> Sep 19 18:25:23 eduardo-HP-HDX-16-Notebook-PC kernel: [ 1887.741067] wlan0: deauthenticating from 00:25:9c:4a:d0:48 by local choice (reason=3)
[22:49] <edusan> Sep 19 18:25:23 eduardo-HP-HDX-16-Notebook-PC kernel: [ 1887.756419] cfg80211: All devices are disconnected, going to restore regulatory settings
[22:49] <edusan> Sep 19 18:25:23 eduardo-HP-HDX-16-Notebook-PC kernel: [ 1887.756430] cfg80211: Restoring regulatory settings
[22:49] <graingert> graingert: tab complete
[22:49] <FloodBot1> edusan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:49] <edusan> Sep 19 18:25:23 eduardo-HP-HDX-16-Notebook-PC kernel: [ 1887.756441] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
[22:49] <edusan> Sep 19 18:25:23 eduardo-HP-HDX-16-Notebook-PC kernel: [ 1887.764287] cfg80211: Ignoring regulatory request Set by core since the driver uses its own custom regulatory domain
[22:49] <graingert> lol
[22:49] <qin> MonkeyDust: This ssh -Y localhost (in tty1) seems to be foggy.
[22:49] <cypha> i'm clicking Install for skype after downloading the .deb from their webpage. It shows up in the Ubuntu Software Center and I click Install, but nothing happens. How can I get the installer to run??
[22:49] <Corey> edusan: Avast, ye scurvy dog!  Do not be pastin' into the channel!
[22:49] <mordof> yikes
[22:49] <qin> !paste | edusan
[22:49] <hylian> Corey, yeah, i'm a dork :)
[22:49] <rgb> graingert: I've restarted the start x, everything is fine..
[22:49] <graingert> cypha: use the installer from partner rpos
[22:49] <Alien> Hola
[22:49] <todd__> can anyone explain why the port redirect in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5 does not work?
[22:50] <Corey> !patience | todd__
[22:50] <Alien> ¿Alguien acá habla español?
[22:50] <rww> !es | Alien
[22:50] <Corey> !es | Alien
[22:50] <graingert> rgb: okay now make a new xorg.conf with the settings how you want it for single mon mode
[22:50] <cypha> graingert, what's that?
[22:50] <Alien> Gracias
[22:50] <graingert> rgb: you can put this in ~/xorg.conf
[22:50] <Corey> De nada, matey.
[22:50] <MonkeyDust> hylian: ah 22 for ssh, but gotta go now, good luck!
[22:50] <graingert> cypha: just enable the partner repo
[22:50] <edusan> sorry bout that im learning tho... be patient guys :P
[22:50] <graingert> and search for skype in software-center
[22:50] <edusan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693391/
[22:51] <rishabh> hello
[22:51] <w30> how do I add an  --indirect-rendering argument to Unity compiz? I need that to make suspend work on my Dell laptop.
[22:51] <graingert> edusan: you were kicked automatically
[22:51] <cypha> graingert, in synaptic or in software center?
[22:51] <graingert> w30: use fusion-icon
[22:51] <graingert> cypha: either
[22:51] <rgb> graingert: can you give me again a link with the new xorg.conf please?
[22:51] <grippi> hey there
[22:51] <graingert> rgb: I need to see the version with the single monitor mode
[22:51] <graingert> rgb: create it with nvidia-settings
[22:52] <grippi> does anyone know if ufw supports URL's in addition to ip'
[22:52] <grippi> s?
[22:52] <graingert> rgb: and store it in ~/xorg.conf
[22:52] <rgb> ok, I need to disable the second monitor, right?
[22:52] <qin> MonkeyDust: This ssh -Y localhost (in tty1) seems to be foggy.
[22:52] <graingert> rgb: just set it up how you want it for games
[22:52] <todd__> Great I get a clueless person to not tell me anything, and now no one will even try to help,... I am not very happy
[22:52] <graingert> rgb: then save the xorg.conf to ~/single.xorg.conf or something
[22:52] <qin> MonkeyDust: Can you likny?
[22:52] <w30> graingert, how do you make unity use fusion-icon?
[22:52] <graingert> w30: you have to whitelist it
[22:52] <edusan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693391/ \
[22:52] <edusan> sorry guys about the flooding im learning
[22:52] <graingert> todd__: please purchase support
[22:53] <w30> graingert, whitelist what, where?
[22:53] <graingert> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[22:53] <Corey> todd__: Avast, please to remain civil when sailin' the IRC's!
[22:53] <IStorm> todd__: what about open-source don't you get?
[22:54] <cypha> thanks graingert
[22:54] <graingert> todd__: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/services/overview
[22:54] <todd__> IStorm: I get open source, but are we allowed to just not be nice on here??? great!
[22:54] <graingert> rgb: pastebin this new xorg.conf
[22:54] <todd__> FUCK ALL OF YOU!
[22:55] <dataspy> that wasn't very nice!
[22:55] <IStorm> wow
[22:55] <almoxarife> way too much coffee
[22:55] <dataspy> you should try meditation todd_
[22:55] <graingert> todd__ ^
[22:56] <dataspy> breath in through the nose out through the mouth
[22:56] <graingert> todd__: and get a proper nick
[22:56] <Corey> todd__: Yer question has been answered a few different ways, matey-- if ye still be havin' trouble, ye might consider phrasin' it a different way.
[22:56] <rgb> graingert: http://pastebin.com/t4DecxTv this is the new xorg.conf
[22:56] <graingert> w30: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[22:56] <IStorm> todd__: for one, open source means that outside of checking resources, the support is YOU.
[22:57] <IStorm> todd__: if you don't think it's right, recode it, but please, document your work, and submit it properly
[22:57] <Corey> IStorm: Belay that!  If ye think that having an application server natively listen on port 80 be a smart move, to the brig with ye!
[22:58] <todd__> yea, well still no anwser, and infact I dno not appreciate someone telling me "its simple" and not giving me an answer, if they kept there mouth shut when they obviosly know nothing that would be one thing, but to intentionaly waste my time, I am sorry I just do not like that
[22:58] <IStorm> todd__: what if they knew so much that explaining it to you would be complicated?
[22:59] <graingert> rgb: http://pastebin.com/WXr4D2Mi
[22:59] <Gentoo64> todd_, its easy man
[22:59] <almoxarife> I can't find a way to increase the font of the bookmark bar in chrome, gtk theme even, any thoughts?
[22:59] <edusan> ermm i for one do apreciate the work you guys put in this system, and the time you spend helping others but he does have a point when he says some of your peers answer with an "i know everything and you are a noob" air, qin is not one of those tho
[22:59] <IdleOne> !behelpful
[22:59] <graingert> todd__: just come back another time
[22:59] <graingert> todd__: and maybe the right people will be in chat
[23:00] <todd__> IStorm: I get that, I came on here to find if there was a quick solution to the issue, but if there is not I will hit the source, pardon me for attempting to share solutions, or is that not "Open source"?
[23:00] <rgb> graingert: thanks you a lot, I need to restart x now?
[23:00] <Gentoo64> almoxarife, i think that goes from system fonts. does for me anyway
[23:00] <IStorm> edusan: some guys are bitter, and get angry if you ask about something they don't know. This is IRC though, not MSN or Yahoo chat
[23:00] <graingert> rgb: yep restart x launch a game - if it all works remember: 17FVn5kKcrGSE1wjFkkJrgGwZDyRXqb581
[23:01] <rgb> graingert: what is this code?
[23:01] <IStorm> todd__: would you define the amount of time you've spent as quick, in comparison to your work with the source code?
[23:01] <edusan> istorm you do have a point
[23:01] <mbrigdan> Hey, does anyone know how to get a DGE-530T network card working? Apparently it worked in older versions of ubuntu.
[23:01] <todd__> Cool! It does not work as advertised, I will submit a bug, thanks for your not helping
[23:02] <Corey> I didn't be havin' the heart to tell 'im he was running a newer version of Tomcat. :-/
[23:02] <edusan> qin m8 u still there?
[23:03] <qin> edusan: Partly
[23:03] <IStorm> todd__: even Vista didn't work as advertised, so buck up when people give you an OS for free.
[23:03] <edusan> :P
[23:03] <edusan> you see anything weird on that log?
[23:04] <chocolates> Can someone help me recover files from the lost+found?
[23:04] <qin> edusan: No, since that part you pasted is not revelant
[23:04] <edusan> lol well thats the kernel part that got logged at the same time i placed the command you gave me
[23:05] <qin> edusan: What model of laptop isit?
[23:05] <rgb247> graingert: thanks you a lot, it works :D
[23:05] <graingert> rgb247: :D
[23:06] <qin> edusan: And is your system updated?
[23:06] <rgb247> I have another question, I am a dota player, I want to rename some keys(on windows I used an app called dotakeys, it doesn't work anymore on linux) anyone have any ideea?
[23:07] <th0r> rgb247: you can remap the keyboard with a ~/.Xmodmap file. Use xev to determine the proper keycodes
[23:07] <edusan> yes, some one mentioned before that it might be a bios related issue
[23:07] <root____1> sudo bash -l
[23:07] <edusan> and that i might need the newest bios
[23:08] <edusan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693398/ <--- the log that followed the command to suspend the pc
[23:08] <root____1> exit
[23:08] <root____1> logout
[23:09] <rgb247> th0r: what is xev?
[23:09] <th0r> rgb247: like I said, a program to determine keycodes to use in the .Xmodmap file
[23:09] <rgb247> th0r: thanks you
[23:10] <IStorm> rgb247: did you install your ubuntu, or are you getting it second hand?
[23:10] <th0r> rgb247: there are a number of good tutorials on the web about making that file, what it should contain, etc
[23:10] <edusan> its a ph hdx16 and only the bios its not up to date
[23:11] <mordof> anyone know what actual object in terms of metacity themes the menu is for each window?
[23:11] <rgb247> ITStorm: the santa gave installed it for me
[23:11] <rgb247> ITStorm: The santa installed it for me - sorry i'm tired
[23:11] <mordof> the font for my menus are too bright, i'm trying to find the value to change
[23:12] <IStorm> rgb247: tricky tricky, lot's of things that no one knows what happened. I'm still following btw, I wanna know about this.
[23:12] <mordof> this is infuriating -.-;
[23:14] <IStorm> mordof: I recently uninstalled the font used for panels in xfce4 for my xubuntu install, I'm with ya. Problem is, I couldn't find what to reinstall. LOL
[23:14] <mordof> IStorm: ick, that's inconvenient.. it's little things like this I wish would be more available.
[23:14] <mordof> I can't find ANYTHING online to tell me where I should be looking
[23:14] <IStorm> It's paying the price right now. There is no worse death for an OS than repartitioning, I think....
[23:15] <IStorm> mordof: what WM are you using?
[23:15] <mordof> IStorm: metacity
[23:15] <mordof> the default
[23:16] <IStorm> mordof: know nothing, didn't even know it existed
[23:16] <mordof> IStorm: heh
[23:16] <IStorm> mordof: there isn't a settings applet or something?
[23:16] <Gentoo64> mordof, read this? http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/MetacityThemes
[23:17] <IStorm> OOOOOHHHHH? is it actually Gnome?
[23:18] <mordof> Gentoo64: checking it out
[23:18] <Gentoo64> mordof, not sure it has what you're after in it though...
[23:18] <mordof> Gentoo64: doubtful. what I'm after is in .rc files most likely
[23:19] <mordof> Gentoo64: the gtkrc initially.. but i can't find any values that affected what i was trying to change in my theme
[23:19] <mordof> Gentoo64: it's a good guide to be sure though in terms of the actual window styling
[23:19] <Gentoo64> mordof, the brightness of the font? in the title bar?
[23:20] <mordof> Gentoo64: the File | Edit, etc.
[23:20] <mordof> Gentoo64: the font color is almost the same as the background
[23:20] <Gentoo64> mordof, i think thats in the theme file itself not gtkrc
[23:20] <mordof> Gentoo64: in the theme.xml file?
[23:20] <Gentoo64> i think so. i know it is for openbox
[23:21] <mordof> hm
[23:22] <robin0800> mordof,  you can install gnome colors to change this I think
[23:22] <Gentoo64> i could be wrong, ive only played with themes a few times
[23:22] <qin> edusan: No idea. Sorry.
[23:22] <Gentoo64> i remember changing all of it in the themerc file
[23:24] <argel> saludos
[23:25] <optical> Hey all - Novice user here.    Here is a logfile:  http://www.pastebay.com/138810
[23:25] <optical> Can someone tell me what I need to do?
[23:25] <optical> to fix this ?
[23:25] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... what is better ... 10.04 ... or 11.04 ?
[23:25] <FloodBot1> optical: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:26] <qin> cobra-the-joker: Better is sandwich with ham.
[23:26] <mordof> robin0800: i'll keep that in mind
[23:26] <argel> alguien podria decirme como llego al canal en español¿?
[23:26] <cobra-the-joker> qin , i prefer a sandwich with beef
[23:26] <cobra-the-joker> :P
[23:27] <h00k> !es | argel
[23:27] <BarkingFish> !es|argel
[23:27] <qin> optical: What does: lsb_relaese -sc
[23:27] <BarkingFish> ah, 2 minds - one thought, h00k :)
[23:27] <optical> qin:  jaunty
[23:27] <h00k> !best | cobra-the-joker
[23:27] <argel> gracias
[23:28] <cobra-the-joker> h00k , i am taking about better ... not the best
[23:28] <qin> optical: You should talk to your vps support, since jaunty is !eol
[23:28] <cobra-the-joker> h00k , i am using a laptop here as a workstation ... which one is better in my case ?
[23:28] <optical> can't I do anything to upgrade it ?
[23:28] <h00k> cobra-the-joker: yeah, it still isn't quite appropriate for this channel
[23:29] <qin> optical: Sometimes, depense form vps
[23:30] <optical> don't i just need an updated sources.list or something ? why would my ubuntu installation suddenly be obsolete and unable to upgrade to current ?
[23:30] <qin> optical: Tell your provider that you want new version.
[23:31] <bastidrazor> optical: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[23:31] <cobra-the-joker> i guess i will choose the LTS one
[23:31] <strigoi66> Dell inspiron 1501 problem: cant install wireless driver. Please help ubuntu11.04 classic desktop
[23:32] <bastidrazor> cobra-the-joker: i always suggest LTS versions. 10.04 for stability
[23:32] <cobra-the-joker> bastidrazor: nice ..... i hope its better !
[23:32] <bastidrazor> cobra-the-joker: for me and stability its the best!
[23:33] <cobra-the-joker> bastidrazor: what are the major differences between both .... only stability vs software updates ?
[23:34] <bastidrazor> cobra-the-joker: i don't know.
[23:34] <cobra-the-joker> bastidrazor: ok ... Thanx anyway for the recommendation :)
[23:38] <rusty149> strigoi66: you may need to be connected to the internet to download the driver. try using a cable.
[23:41] <strigoi66> rusty149 i am connected to lan when download drivers
[23:41] <delinquentme> so im attempting to make a link to a folder in /usr .. however the      right click >> make link option isnt available ...?
[23:42] <lcfd> hello world !
[23:43] <rusty149> delinquentme: you need sudo permissions to do that. Either open a nautilus window as sudo or use the terminal
[23:43] <th0r> delinquentme: you need to use sudo
[23:43] <aeon-ltd> lcfd: hi on behalf of the world
[23:44] <delinquentme> rusty149, th0r just found out that you can middle mouse button click and drag .. then select "link " from there
[23:44] <delinquentme> thanks!
[23:44] <lcfd> what's happened here?
[23:44] <th0r> how did I get into that?
[23:48] <strigoi66> http://pastebin.com/dcgB0H5F
[23:49] <f_kafka> does anyone know if theres any good 3tb hdd's avaialble these days that would work nice with a 3ware raid controller?
[23:50] <th0r> strigoi66: the wifi card is a broadcom bcm4311, not a 4401
[23:50] <Corey> f_kafka: Arr, matey-- the 3TB series is a consumer class drive!  It not be specced for enterprise use!
[23:50] <strigoi66> thor yeah i just noticed that but doesnt change any sorry for the typo
[23:50] <th0r> strigoi66: you need to install the firmward to /lib/firmware and maybe then modprobe b43 or wl...whichever ubuntu has there now
[23:51] <delinquentme> so I've linked a file from my /usr directory ... its currently locked within my home folder ... and I'd like to unlock it and be able to make edits without ' sudo ' ... this is a chmod operation right ? but which folder am I chmodding?
[23:51] <f_kafka> well i use 3ware raid controlelr for home use
[23:51] <strigoi66> th0r K thanks will try
[23:51] <Corey> f_kafka: `Tis nay designed fer RAID duty cycles, an' 'tis likely a green drive.
[23:51] <th0r> strigoi66: i think the firmware is available now via a deb, if not, I can get it to you
[23:51] <f_kafka> uhmm
[23:51] <f_kafka> IBM/hitachi has one not green
[23:52] <strigoi66> th0r cool will google it
[23:52] <Corey> If you don't care about your data, feel free t' use a consumer grade drive.
[23:52] <rusty149> delinquentme: the linked file in /usr
[23:52] <f_kafka> :)
[23:53] <complexity> what's a good program to use
[23:53] <delinquentme> and that is like      " sudo chmod 777 -R /arduino/ "
[23:53] <complexity> to save the desktop a window is on?
[23:53] <complexity> like if i want xchat on desktop 9
[23:53] <delinquentme> rusty149,  ^
[23:54] <lauratika> hello veryone is there a way to know what ip address deluge is using?
[23:54] <cooldman69> hey guys im trying to make a /var/www/html rwx for a user. im logged in as the user and i did this: chmod g+rwx /var/www/html and I still cant create files....
[23:55] <th0r> lauratika: in short, it is using the same ip the rest of your computer is using....ifconfig should show it
[23:55] <complexity> or how do you save the desktop
[23:55] <complexity> i mean
[23:55] <beached> anyone have any experience with nvidea gfx drivers?
[23:55] <beached> I have been having some issues that i cant seem to fix
[23:56] <rusty149> delinquentme: I would add myself as a group and leave the others permision as readonly
[23:56] <delinquentme> so 117?
[23:57] <delinquentme> 447 rather
[23:57] <rusty149> delinquentme: sudo chown -R root:delinquentme /usr/folder && sudo chmod g+w -R /usr/delinquentme
[23:57] <kyconquers> join #ldapnewbies
[23:58] <rusty149> delinquentme: mistake; sudo chown -R rootelinquentme /usr/folder && sudo chmod -R g+w /usr/delinquentme
[23:58] <lauratika> th0r: thanx... actually im trying to tell deluge to use a specific port on my motorola sbg900 the portforwarding setup is fine but in costumer service they told me i have to check what ip address is unsing this application to know if is the correct ip address i type on the set up
[23:58] <ubuntunoob101> hey can someone help me with a slight problem i am having. i just got natty and its my first linux distro ever and it wont work with  the nVidia graphics card but it says the driver is installed
[23:59] <bfreis> I've got a problem with my Ubuntu Cloud: if NCs clock have a tiny positive offset with respect to the CCs clock, the NCs will stop responding CCs requests. How do you deal with this kind of problem?
[23:59] <BarkingFish> delinquentme, If you want the Octal numbers, remember 4 is read, 2 is write, 1 is execute - you add each together for Owner, Group and Others.
[23:59] <bfreis> The problem is described in detail here: http://serverfault.com/questions/313200/ubuntu-enterprise-cloud-ncs-down-and-time-synchronization
[23:59] <th0r> lauratika: you have to tell the hub which ip to forward to. In all probability you are using dhcp for your home network, so that IP will change every time you turn on the computer. You need to go to static ip's if you want to do port forwarding in the wifi hub


[01:46] <MatthewDavid> I own a computer repair and sales shop. I'd like to sell more computers with Ubuntu preloaded.
[01:47] <MatthewDavid> The last three laptops I've sold have had Ubuntu 10.10 - so people want it. Anyone else doing hardware sales or know of anyone who is?
[02:06] <MatthewDavid> Doesn't look like there's been much action with the marketing team. Team meeting minutes haven't been posted for a few years. Are you guys still active?