[00:00] <o0Chris0o> !kde4
[00:02] <toens> i'm running hardy heron in a virtual machine and it refuses to resize screen to 1024x768
[00:03] <toens> it worked with previous kubuntu
[00:03] <toens> trivial issue i know, but anyone got a clue?
[00:11] <fildo> morning
[00:25] <shane_> hello i am just about to install kubuntu and am wondering where i can get some help on installin a dlink g510 card with marvell chipset i tryed with ubuntu and it crashed it up,ubuntu support couldnt help so iv decided to go with kubuntu as it apears to have better help succes
[00:26] <linusblack> oi algum brazuca ligado...
[00:27] <francisco> saludos
[00:28] <linusblack> alguem pode me dar umas dicas
[00:29] <francisco> alguien que sepa espanol!
[00:30] <arriesp> hi
[00:31] <krawek> francisco: entra a #kubuntu-es
[00:32] <Odd-rationale> shane_: I will be willing to help whenever i'm around....   What are those options?
[00:36] <dwidmann_laptop> kaudiocreator, konqueror (audiocd:/ then drag & drop), kaffeine, k3b (yes, it can rip cds too), abcde, ripit, and more
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> shane_: type odd<tab>
[00:36]  * Odd-rationale ignores dwidmann_laptop presence....
[00:36] <lascar> (i'm not fond of k3b's, but konqueror?)
[00:37] <shane_> im not sure what odd tab is
[00:37] <Odd-rationale> shane_: the first letters of my nick + tab
[00:37] <shane_> Odd-rationale: oh ok
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> shane_: yup, much better...I'm in several channesl and it useful to be notified when someone address you...
[00:38] <dwidmann_laptop> lascar: k3b is probably the fastest and most versatile of the GUI rippers. But if you don't "like it", I recommend trying some of the others, for example, type in "audiocd:/" in konqueror and see what you get, then just drag and drop to somewhere else like your home folder or desktop.
[00:38] <shane_> Odd-rationale: ok im just about to burn kubuntu to disc
[00:40] <dwidmann_laptop> lascar: abcde and ripit are first rate ripping tools for the CLI, highly configurable, you'd probably best configure once then reuse the configuration over and over again for those
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann_laptop: does abcde do flac?
[00:41] <Zefir> How do I change what programs run at start-up?
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> !autostart
[00:42] <dwidmann_laptop> Odd-rationale: yes, it can also do one track flac files with a cue file, so you can re-encode over and over again..... nifty feature
[00:42] <Zefir> Oh, thank you.
[00:42] <lascar> dwidmann_laptop: thanx for everything.  I've actually recanted and am going with k3b; cddb works great when you have internet access :-D
[00:42]  * lascar chuckles
[00:42] <dwidmann_laptop> lascar: yes, yes it does.
[00:43] <lascar> ;-)
[00:43] <lascar> later everyone.  Enjoy the day, or night!
[00:44] <dwidmann_laptop> later lascar
[00:45] <dwidmann_laptop> Odd-rationale: then again, I think all of the other rippers I mentioned can do flac also.
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann_laptop: i've been using k3b...
[00:46] <dwidmann_laptop> Odd-rationale: though they can't do the single trac + cue thing, that's abcde's unique niche
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> konq is too slow...
[00:46] <dwidmann_laptop> Odd-rationale: I'd say abcde and ripit are both as fast as konqueror
[00:46] <DilutedReform> hi, i'm trying to setup an IRCd that requires at least 1500 people to be connected, but kubuntu seems to limit it to 1024, how can i go about raising this limit?
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann_laptop: you mean as slow?
[00:47] <dwidmann_laptop> Odd-rationale: s/konqueror/k3b
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> dwidmann_laptop: oh, ok
[00:47] <dwidmann_laptop> Odd-rationale: I think all of them default to using cdparanoia for the backend
[00:49] <McRib> I submitted bug #228044 a while back and it is reported to have been fixed in hardy-proposed.  I've added that repo but when trying to install the mozilla-mplayer package, it has the same error (probably still pulling it from universe)... how do I specify to install the proposed package instead?
[00:50] <orchid`> hello
[00:50] <orchid`> i ahve an question, about backig up files
[00:50] <orchid`> i need to find the kde walet on a 64bit operating system, in order to save my passwrods. can anyone help me?
[00:50] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy mozilla-mplayer"
[00:51] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: install kwalletmanager and launch it
[00:52] <orchid`> im on Ubuntu
[00:52] <orchid`> gutsy gibbon 64 bit architecture
[00:52] <orchid`> and i jsut searched in the add/remove programs bit and its not showing up
[00:52] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12159/
[00:53] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib:  it doesn't see the proposed version at all according to that.
[00:54] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: Hmm... according to the bug report page, it should be in there.
[00:54] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: well, check that it's there then.
[00:54] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: you did remember to apt-get update right?
[00:54] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: Yep.
[00:55] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: if apt-cache policy doesn't see it, then as far as apt is concerned it doesn't exist.
[00:55] <McRib> I have TONS of security updates from proposed...  that I obviously don't want to install.  I just want to install this package and move on.
[00:55] <McRib> hmm
[00:56] <McRib> Cesare Tirabassi is a liar! :)
[00:56] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib:  you could grep the associated Package file for the proposed repo for mplayer. You can find this package file in the /var/lib/apt/lists directory
[00:56] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: also, make sure you're not using a localized repository for the proposed. They tend to be out of date.
[00:56] <orchid`> if no one else knows where or rather how to help me cna i hopefully be pointed in ther right direction?
[00:57] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: I used the propose repository the bug report says to.
[00:57] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: kwalletmanager is definitely in the repositories.
[00:57] <orchid`> on ubuntu?
[00:57] <McRib> !info kwalletmanager
[00:57] <orchid`> 64 amd arctitecture gutsy gibbon?
[00:57] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: yes.
[00:57] <orchid`> :s
[00:57] <orchid`> the reason im even doing this is i got a bad burn of the disc
[00:58] <orchid`> and now im fixing that.
[00:58] <orchid`> shoudl i install the kde package?
[00:58] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: not necessary if all you want is the kwallet
[00:58] <orchid`> i do i already have it
[00:58] <orchid`> have been using it for my messengers
[00:58] <orchid`> like, for kopete, i typed i mypasswords
[00:58] <dwidmann_laptop> hmm
[00:58] <orchid`> it saved them, and reacehs into the 'wallet' when i want ot connect
[00:59] <orchid`> and same for my internet passwords
[00:59] <lonran> whats the state of kde 4.0? can i install it on kubuntu hardy?
[00:59] <orchid`> if i ca fid those i can be nearly done :s
[00:59] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: you ccould try to download that package manually ...
[00:59] <orchid`> and liek i said im running gutsy gibbon x63 arctitecture, always have beena fter upgrading from feisty fawn
[00:59] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: also, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[01:00] <orchid`> hmm... im a newb can i get some steps to that?
[01:00] <arriesp> i can browse files with samba, but i can't open and move them
[01:00] <arriesp> what can i do?
[01:00] <dwidmann_laptop> !paste | orchid
[01:00] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: just copy and paste the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file to there, it will give you a URL to give to us
[01:01] <Walzmyn> lonran, kde 4 may be installed on hardy - it's useable but lots of features are not implimented yet
[01:01] <arriesp> help please
[01:01] <orchid`> okay, im jsut not knowing how to get that sourcelist
[01:01] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: open it with any old text editor that you feel like using
[01:01] <McRib> hmm... I don't know what else to do.   I liked kde4  but i switched  back to 3.9 until they get a few things ironed out - It is going to be very nice though
[01:03] <lonran> Walzmyn: what did you specially missed?
[01:03] <orchid`> brings up the main and multiverse
[01:04] <orchid`> restricted and unrestricted
[01:04] <madberry> How do i block a user from system setting?
[01:04] <Walzmyn> lonran, for me, not being able to hide the panel and add extra panels and the like was a deal breaker
[01:04] <McRib> How would I go about manually installing the MPlayer plugin for Firefox?  It's the only one that plays streaming video that I've been able to find...
[01:04] <Walzmyn> lonran, they also do not have the printer apps ported over yet
[01:05] <Walzmyn> madberry, why?
[01:05] <orchid`> also i seem to trip spam filters
[01:05] <dwidmann_laptop> lonran: install both, mix the two taking the better parts of each :)
[01:05] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: select all, copy, paste it into the pastebin :)
[01:05] <madberry> @Walzym It's a public machine and I want to make sure the background i put on there stays on there
[01:05] <orchid`> dwidmann_laptop:  i did, i trip spam filters
[01:06] <BluesKaj> McRib, which Firefox version ?
[01:06] <kunim> hello, anyone else having serious perfomance trouble with konsole 4 (with nvidia prop. drivers)?
[01:06] <McRib> BluesKaj: FF2...
[01:06] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: try ubuntu.pastebin.us then
[01:06] <McRib> BluesKaj: They haven't fixed the bug for the hardy package yet.... it depends on FF3 only.
[01:06] <Walzmyn> madberry, ah, in that case i'm not sure.
[01:06] <madberry> me neither
[01:07] <orchid`> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d48522d57
[01:07] <xikarrousx> hey... i need some help with a netgear wg311v3 wireless card
[01:07] <xikarrousx> ive got the drivers installed and its recognized with "sudo ndiswrapper -l"
[01:08] <Walzmyn> madberry, could you go to the actual binary and change the permissions on it to require root? (this is a guess)
[01:08] <xikarrousx> but no wireless extentions show up with iwconfig
[01:08] <madberry> that's a good one let me try that
[01:08] <BluesKaj> yes McRib. that's why i switched to konq , FF3 wasn't working on sites that use windows media, and mplayer wasn't working , however the mozilla-mplayer plugin should work on FF2
[01:08] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: seems to be okay, try running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kwalletmanager"
[01:09] <McRib> BluesKaj: No, it works just fine in FF2... but I can't install it in Hardy.  The hardy package has a known bug causing it to depend on FF3....
[01:09] <xikarrousx> hola?
[01:09] <McRib> BluesKaj: I don't want to install FF3 at all.
[01:09] <BluesKaj> !firefox
[01:10] <BluesKaj> hmm
[01:11] <orchid`> doign that in terminal...
[01:11] <BluesKaj> McRib, so you having installed Hardy yet ?
[01:11] <orchid`> it wont delete my passwords, right?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> err haven't
[01:11] <dwidmann_laptop> right
[01:11] <McRib> BluesKaj: Yes... I'm running Hardy.
[01:11] <orchid`> sweet
[01:11] <leo> where can I find uplash
[01:11] <leo> hello everyone, anybody using ultimate
[01:11] <dwidmann_laptop> !info usplash | leo
[01:12] <leo> thanks
[01:12] <orchid`> dwidmann_laptop:  tis done isntallign and setting it up now how do i gaia ccess?
[01:12] <dwidmann_laptop> orchid`: run the command kwalletmanager
[01:12] <Walzmyn> hmm, I just tried to virtualize xubuntu 64 bit in vbox, but it told me it wasn't detecting a 64 processor - how do i fix that?
[01:12] <BluesKaj> well McRib , i hate to discourage you on FF , but I didn't bother much with FF after I discovered that Konqueror runs better on the windows centric media type sites the previous releases
[01:13] <orchid`> i did teh alt f2 thing, then typed it in, nothing popped up
[01:13] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: is the host OS 64-bit?
[01:13] <BluesKaj> better than
[01:13] <Walzmyn> dwidmann_laptop, yes
[01:13] <McRib> BluesKaj: Well, I have no desire to browse windows-centric sites :)
[01:13] <McRib> BluesKaj: Besides... I'm addicted to certain browser behaviors that are only available with FF and it's plugins.
[01:14] <leo> where can i find ubuntu ultimate edition in KDE?
[01:14] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: which ones in particular? I haven't been a firefox user sincce 1.0, so I'm sure I'm behind the curve
[01:14] <shane__> Odd-rationale: r u on 4 a bit im halfway through install now
[01:14] <BluesKaj> right , well i've adjusted to the lack of some addons
[01:14] <Odd-rationale> leo: i think ubuntu ultimate comes onley with gnome...
[01:14] <shane__> Odd-rationale: its takin its time
[01:14] <Odd-rationale> shane__: I'm here
[01:15] <shane__> kk hope in around 10 mins k
[01:15] <Odd-rationale> shane__: np
[01:15] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: Mouse gestures is one big one.  Gmail notifier (for several GMail accounts)...
[01:15] <leo> thanks odd, yeah i can't find any kde version
[01:15] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: StumbleToolbar is huge too :)
[01:15] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: can you describe the latter?
[01:15] <Odd-rationale> leo: ubuntu ultimate is not official... in fact, i wouldn't really recommend it...
[01:16] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: You've never heard of StumbleUpon? :)
[01:16] <Jucato> !info kcheckgmail
[01:17] <Jucato> !info korn
[01:17] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: I've heard that particular phrase used, but I've nod idea what it is
[01:17] <BluesKaj> McRib, I meant windows media-centric sites . There are alot of well meaning sites that assume ppl are using IE or FF2, which run the embedded media just fine.
[01:18] <Jucato> HOWTO: KDE Mouse Gestures: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.0
[01:18] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: It's basically a social-bookmarking plugin.  You setup desired categories (like "linux"), press the "Stumble" button, and it takes you to a random website that another user has tagged with that category.  I've found a LOT of great sites this way.
[01:19] <BluesKaj> I dunno why the Hardy devs decided on a beta browser as the default
[01:19] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: interesting.
[01:19] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: www.stumbleupon.com if you're curious.
[01:19] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: between opera's mouse guestures and kcheckgmail I'm happy though :)
[01:20] <McRib> BluesKaj: No one but they understand that.
[01:20] <madberry> @Walzym that didn't work...
[01:21]  * Jucato points dwidmann_laptop to the link he gave above
[01:21] <dwidmann_laptop> Jucato: opera is faster and seems to be smarter about cache use, which is somewhat essential when you have a high latency link, so I'll be sticking with opera until something is done about that.
[01:22] <Walzmyn> opera == goodness
[01:23] <Jucato> ok
[01:24] <agent> yo yo yo
[01:24] <Jucato> dwidmann_laptop: that was for McRib... misdirected link
[01:24] <agent> lickity lickity
[01:24] <agent> lick
[01:24] <agent> []D [] []\/[] []D
[01:24] <Jucato> agent: huh?
[01:25] <McRib> Jucato: Ah... well, I'm not exactly using KDE ;)
[01:25] <Jucato> ok just pointing out
[01:25] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: You have my sympathies :P
[01:26] <McRib> Ugh... why is it that when I try to install a .deb file, it forces me to install the package from the repos instead?
[01:26] <Jucato> how are you trying to install it?
[01:26] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: use dpkg -i, not apt-get install
[01:26] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: No, I was using GDebi Installer
[01:26] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: still ..... try using dpkg -i
[01:28] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: dpkg-deb: `mozilla-mplayer_3.40-5ubuntu5_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[01:28] <dwidmann_laptop> Jucato: how well does kmail play with IMAP/S? I haven't tried in a while ... but last time I tried it it didn't behave too well, do you know if this has improved any? (especially since gmail offers IMAP/S now :) )
[01:29] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: that might help explain the problem then
[01:29] <McRib> I downloaded the Gutsy package...
[01:29] <Jucato> dwidmann_laptop: all I can say is that if you have suicidal tendencies, stay away from  a kmail+Gmail IMAP combo
[01:29] <Odd-rationale> shane__: btw, what version of kubuntu did you get?
[01:30] <dwidmann_laptop> Jucato: I think you mean so long as I don't have suicidal tendencies
[01:30] <Jucato> dwidmann_laptop: no. I meant what I said :)
[01:30] <dwidmann_laptop> :s
[01:30] <Jucato> KMail+Gmail IMAP = real killer
[01:31] <dwidmann_laptop> that horrible huh?
[01:31] <Jucato> can't say for other IMAPs though.. since Gmail is the only one I have for free :)
[01:31] <shane__> Odd-rationale:  kubuntu 8.04 hardy
[01:31] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: So does that mean that the Ubuntu package from packages.ubuntu.com is corrupted?
[01:31] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: could be
[01:31] <McRib> dwidmann_laptop: It's the exactly same package as from Hardy....  except that Hardy's has incorrect dependencies.
[01:32] <shane__> Odd-rationale: is hardy a good version in 8.04 cause i just finidhed install and its reseting now
[01:32] <Odd-rationale> shane__: yes hardy is good. did you get the kde3 or kde4 version?
[01:33] <McRib> Oh good Lord..... so I downloaded the same file from a different mirror.... got a completely different error saying that Firefox isn't even installed.
[01:33] <shane__> Odd-rationale: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[01:33] <McRib> oh... that's because I don't have "firefox" installed... I have "firefox-2" installed.
[01:33] <shane__> the pc one this is a p4 cpu so no 64
[01:33] <Odd-rationale> shane__: ok
[01:33] <McRib> I guess my next question is this:  How do I change a packages dependencies myself?
[01:34] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok im up what do i need to update first
[01:34] <shane__> or can i just run the driver
[01:34] <Odd-rationale> shane__: if you wish, you can /join #Odd-rationale and we'll see what we can do...
[01:35] <hmich176> Hi all!
[01:35] <tinin> Hi, does anybody know how to listen to *.3gp video files from cellphones? I can se the video, but there's no sound
[01:35] <shane__> Odd-rationale: i get a private users are blocked for spam
[01:36] <hmich176> I'm looking for some help related to the Ubuntu 8.04 upgrade
[01:36] <Odd-rationale> shane__: ok nvm...
[01:36] <afeijo> I want to install skype
[01:36] <McRib> ugh
[01:36] <Odd-rationale> shane__: first run a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:37] <McRib> Even the source code is screwed up... I just need a damned media player plugin!
[01:37] <shane__> Odd-rationale: i get ur #oddrational one
[01:37] <tinin> afeijo use the medibuntu repositories, but you should try a free alternative (openwengo, ekiga...)
[01:38] <afeijo> I will try that, lets google...
[01:39] <McRib> What is the new name for build-essentials in Hardy?
[01:40] <tinin> afeijo even kopete or amsn have video support, you can try them too afeijo
[01:40] <dwidmann_laptop> McRib: build-essential is still there
[01:41] <McRib> Yeah... stupid "s" :P
[01:41] <tinin> anyone is able to hear to *.3gp videos?
[01:43] <ubuntu> hi
[01:44] <Lyron> i need some help with kubuntu
[01:44] <dwidmann_laptop> Lyron: we get that alot around here :P
[01:44] <Lyron> lol i guess..
[01:44] <Lyron> im having trouble going wireless with my laptop
[01:45] <Lyron> i have a broadcom bcm4312
[01:45] <dwidmann_laptop> !wireless
[01:45] <dwidmann_laptop> would probably be a good place to start
[01:45] <Lyron> :-/
[01:45] <dwidmann_laptop> IIRC, that card plays nicer with diswrapper even if there's a "native" solution.
[01:46] <dwidmann_laptop> *n
[01:46] <Lyron> ive installe ndiswrapper and "installed" the win xp driver
[01:46] <Lyron> but kubuntu doesnt recognice it
[01:47]  * dwidmann_laptop is glad he made sure his laptop would have intel wireless ...
[01:48] <Lyron> i really dont know what else to do
[01:48] <Lyron> sorry for my english
[01:48] <Lyron> :-p
[01:51] <afeijo> I can use kopete to skype network?
[01:52] <afeijo> other question, can I use ffmpeg to convert *.avi and output to out folder?
[01:52] <afeijo> a batch convertion
[01:53] <afeijo> I add medibuntu repositories, but when I search on my adept for skype, found none
[01:54] <afeijo> *added
[01:57] <myk_robinson> hey. How do i use/configure apcupsd? I just bought a battery backup, because we have been having frequent brownouts.
[01:57] <fildo> !pastebin
[02:00] <shane_> Odd-rationale: can u give me ur link box again
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> shane_: link box?
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> shane_: you mean #Odd-rationale ?
[02:01] <shane_> that #odd link u gave me earlier
[02:09] <patch_> Would any one be able to help me with getting the sound to work on a compaq presario V6000. Sound has always worked with gusty and fiesty now with hardy only the system sounds work.
[02:13] <_ZeuZ_> which is the channel for ubuntu servers?
[02:13] <_ZeuZ_> nm
[02:19] <tailsfan> How do you mount a ISO Writable?
[02:19] <luis> ¬¬
[02:20] <tailsfan> Hey, I'm still learning
[02:20] <luis> what you want to do
[02:21] <tailsfan> I wanted to mount a Disc on which I not mention which one and add a file to it
[02:21] <tailsfan> Disc Image
[02:21] <luis> i dunno a program for linux
[02:21] <afeijo> #ubuntu ué!
[02:21] <luis> but for windows
[02:22] <tailsfan> Well, as long as it's Wine Compatiable
[02:22] <timboy> I am trying to create a script that takes this command: HandBrakeCLI -i /media/cdrom -o ~/Desktop/movies/$moviename -w 320 -L -b 300 -e xvid -d --crop 0:0:90:90 and asks me what to name the movie.avi can someone give me a hand? I would really like it to pop up and ask what to name it and then just do it...
[02:22] <Makuseru> hi, i seem to be having a problem with some video playback. its a .avi file, VLC will play it, but its EXTREMLY choppy, so i tried to use Mplayer, but the video codec i usually use with it (the one thats the fastest, XV) wont work, it says "Error opening/initilizing selected video out," how can i get this codec to work?
[02:22] <luis> use iso
[02:22] <luis> agh i forgot
[02:23] <luis> something about iso
[02:23] <luis> i just made use of it a couple of weeks ago
[02:25] <firecrotch> tailsfan:  mkdir /mnt/iso && mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
[02:26] <firecrotch> tailsfan: er.... actually this:  mkdir /mnt/iso && mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0
[02:27] <tailsfan> Thanks :)
[02:27] <tailsfan> and will that make it writable
[02:27] <tailsfan> because it's HFS+
[02:28] <firecrotch> tailsfan:  it should
[02:29] <tailsfan> Alright :)
[02:38] <psyco> I can anyone help me with a program install. THey don't have a support channel
[02:39] <psyco> Hi*
[02:40] <firecrotch> psyco:  What's the name of the program?
[02:40] <psyco> after running ./configure I get, "checking for C compiler default output name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[02:40] <psyco> its frameworks a stop motion animation program
[02:41] <timboy> I am trying to create a script that takes this command: HandBrakeCLI -i /media/cdrom -o ~/Desktop/movies/$moviename -w 320 -L -b 300 -e xvid -d --crop 0:0:90:90 and asks me what to name the movie.avi can someone give me a hand? I would really like it to pop up and ask what to name it and then just do it...
[02:42] <timboy> I just want it to ask me what I want the moviename to be then add .avi on to it
[02:42] <secleinteer> ssssssssooo, has anyone tried running wubi in wine?
[02:42] <firecrotch> timboy: give me like.... 2 minutes and I can put together a short script
[02:42] <timboy> firecrotch, thx!
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> secleinteer: that may possibly be the least useful thing ever.
[02:43] <psyco> XD
[02:43] <secleinteer> Daisuke_Ido: nevertheless... ;p
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> secleinteer: would still be interesting to see
[02:43] <shane__> odd
[02:43] <shane__> Odd-rationale:
[02:43] <Odd-rationale> shane__: yes?
[02:44] <secleinteer> Daisuke_Ido: i'm gonna try it ;)
[02:44] <Odd-rationale> shane__: you there?
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> good luck secleinteer
[02:44] <shane__> yup
[02:45] <shane__> i opened knetworkmanager and i get katapult on screen
[02:45] <Odd-rationale> shane__: /join #Odd-rationale
[02:45] <secleinteer> that's ****ed up shane__
[02:45] <firecrotch> timboy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12177/
[02:45] <shane__> Odd-rationale: if u want send that odd link
[02:46] <Odd-rationale> shane__: /join #Odd-rationale
[02:46] <shane__> secleinteer: funny guy i just started kubuntu
[02:46] <timboy> firecrotch, that looks great! so the question is how can I make it add .avi onto the name I put in?
[02:47] <secleinteer> shane__: i've been using it for close to 2 years, and i've never gotten that lulz
[02:47] <firecrotch> Um.... just stick .avi on the end of the filename...
[02:48] <firecrotch> timboy: line 3 would just become this: HandBrakeCLI -i /media/cdrom -o ~/Desktop/movies/$moviename.avi -w 320 -L -b 300 -e xvid -d --crop 0:0:90:90
[02:48] <firecrotch> at least, that *should* work
[02:48] <timboy> firecrotch, awesome thx i'll give it a shot
[02:49] <birnisson> hi, if I install kde4 on kubuntu can I get konqueror+webkit?
[02:49] <secleinteer> Daisuke_Ido: boring.....:"Error opening file for writing: z:\ubuntu\install\custom-installation\hooks\casper-premount.sh" 5 seconds into "install"
[02:49] <firecrotch> timboy:  if that doesn't work, I have another solution :)
[02:50] <timboy> firecrotch, ok. how hard would it be to make this pop up the moviename question in a gui?
[02:51] <firecrotch> timboy:  Um, I have no clue, I don't ever do that kind of scripting lol
[02:51] <timboy> ok this will work for now. thx firecrotch!
[02:51] <firecrotch> timboy:  No problem :)
[02:54] <timboy> firecrotch, one more question. if I wanted to be able to put a space in the name would it just look like this:  HandBrakeCLI -i /media/cdrom -o "~/Desktop/movies/$moviename.avi" -w 320 -L -b 300 -e xvid -d --crop 0:0:90:90?
[02:56] <Dr_willis> Spaces in filenames can be really annoying.
[02:56] <Dr_willis> You  may want to use the $HOME  variable instead of ~ also. :)
[02:58] <firecrotch> timboy: HandBrakeCLI -i /media/cdrom -o "~/Desktop/movies/${moviename}.avi" -w 320 -L -b 300 -e xvid -d --crop 0:0:90:90?
[02:58] <firecrotch> and Dr_willis is right.... spaces in filenames are annoying, especially when shell scripts are involved
[02:59] <Dr_willis> I alwyas seem to end up tacking on extra quotes. :)  - isent there a case when you should be using single quotes instead of double quotes also.
[02:59] <mantan> I'm trying to put rockbox on my friend's Sansa E260 and on the ubuntu forums it says to " n a root terminal (or with root permission, such as sudo), point your directory to the Bootloader (using the cd command)
[02:59] <Dr_willis> Id make the script convert the spaces into _ by default :) but im that kinda-guy
[02:59] <mantan> but it tells  me cd isn't a command
[03:00] <firecrotch> mantan:  What is the exact command you're trying to run ?
[03:01] <mantan> sudo cd media/sda1
[03:01] <mantan> is what I tried
[03:02] <firecrotch> mantan:  you need a / before media.... /media/sda1
[03:02] <mantan> and then I'm supposed to put these lines:
[03:02] <mantan> oh
[03:02] <mantan> ok
[03:02] <Dr_willis> Heh.. Time for bash basics  lessons. :)
[03:03] <mantan> firecrotch it's still telling me that cd isn;'t a command
[03:03] <Dr_willis> Odd error message it gave. Must be using busyboxs shell.
[03:03] <mantan> mantan@desubox:~$ sudo cd /media:/sda1
[03:03] <mantan> sudo: cd: command not found
[03:04] <firecrotch> mantan:  try sudo -l cd /media/sda1
[03:04] <firecrotch> that's a lowercase L
[03:04] <mantan> that did it
[03:04] <stdin> cd is a shell built-in command, not an executable
[03:04] <mantan> now I'll see if the rest of the process works
[03:07] <timboy> firecrotch, it quit when I used spaces but works without spaces.
[03:08] <mantan> ok now the command I'm supposed to put in is this:
[03:08] <mantan> chmod +x sansapatcher
[03:08] <mantan> ./sansapatcher
[03:08] <firecrotch> timboy:  Hehe, spaces cause problems lol
[03:08] <timboy> yeah figured they would... :)
[03:09] <mantan> I've tried various ways and shapes with this but it's telling me the file or directory doesn't exist
[03:15] <bea> hi ya!
[03:29] <MagLauncher> Howdy one and all.  I am running Kubuntu Linux and would like to know if it is possible to install an RPM file.  I tried kPackage but I get an error about /bin/sh.  Anyone have any comments?
[03:30] <Danish989> what is the difference between installing Kubuntu-desktop, kde, kde-core and kubuntu-default-settings in Ubuntu?
[03:30] <NickPresta> MagLauncher, what are you trying to install?
[03:30] <MagLauncher> The program I am trying to install is vnware workstation 6.
[03:31] <MagLauncher> VirtualBox doesn't work well and I wanted to see if I could use vmware.
[03:31] <NickPresta> !vmware
[03:32] <MagLauncher> I will look for Ubuntu Multiverse.  Thank you.
[03:35] <o0Chris0o> how do I set my screen resolution?
[03:36] <Danish989> what is the difference between installing Kubuntu-desktop, kde, kde-core and kubuntu-default-settings in Ubuntu?
[03:36] <Danish989> what is the difference between installing Kubuntu-desktop, kde, kde-core and kubuntu-default-settings in Ubuntu?
[03:37] <NickPresta> !repeat
[03:46] <iosif> join #sms-nsk
[03:48] <NickPresta> iosif, I'd rather not, thanks.
[03:48] <MagLauncher> !multiverse
[03:52] <stuffcorpse> hello, is anyone using vidalia 0.1.2? i have this problem where its systray icon doesn't show up. So I can't change/look at anything..
[03:53] <pulaski> hello, has anyone had problems installing kubuntu 7.10, specifically grub returns an "L 99 99 99 ..." error?
[03:55] <pulaski> I'm using the desktop cd of kubuntu 7.10.  I am confused though.  Can I use apt-get on the command line and make permanent changes to a new installation?
[03:56] <MagLauncher> I am running Kubuntu 8.04 here.
[03:58] <petgrill> i want to open "My Documents" (xp setup) from my Kubuntu install from my desktop is there any way to mount the folders without copy em?
[03:59] <pulaski> Thanks MagLauncher,  I had a new version of 8.04 running when my clone died.  I had another machine that I had used as a file server that I'm now rebuilding as a desktop machine.  Unfortunately I don't have an 8.02 live cd only the 7.10 live cd.  My plan is to install 7.10 then dl the 8.04 cd and reinstall
[04:00] <pulaski> 8.04 rather than 8.02
[04:01] <_2> could boot the live you have dl the one you want ...
[04:01] <MagLauncher> I had Xp on a 60GB hard drive, xfered it to a 160GB drive and used a CDRW to install KUbuntu on the 60.  Seeing how it is.  Definately plays the radio station I listen to much better.  lol
[04:01] <MagLauncher> I just need to get used to the way Linux is.
[04:02] <_2> "the way Linux is"    ?
[04:02] <MagLauncher> Linux is much different that Windows in some ways.
[04:02] <MagLauncher> Than
[04:03] <pulaski> _2: thanks, I do have an iso image of 8.04 but I can't burn it using the live 7.10.  I have to install 7.10 first.  my question is can I use the live 7.10 to make permanent software changes?
[04:03] <_2> pulaski what kind of "changes" ?
[04:03] <pulaski> I'm thinking about using apt-get with a live 7.10 to remove grub and manually install it.
[04:04] <_2> !grub | pulaski yes, see here
[04:04] <pulaski> I've been reading the grub.org page and that seems like an alternative to getting my installed 7.10 to boot.
[04:06] <pulaski> ok thanks you guys.  I no longer run a dual boot.  I'm strictly kubuntu now.
[04:06] <_2> grub is limited to hdd's with partitions,  and floppy disks only as far as i can tell.   (flash disks can be treeted as either of those though)
[04:06] <MagLauncher> I heard XP stops Linux Dual-Boot.  Anyone know if it is true?
[04:06] <MagLauncher> I have XP in the list but cannot boot to it.
[04:07] <_2> MagLauncher many dual-boot xp and linux
[04:07] <MagLauncher> I am refering to XP SP3, I apologize.
[04:07] <_2> ok.   sp3 i don't know anything about
[04:08] <MagLauncher> Some say with the SP3 installed Linux/XP dual boot is not allowed, or something.
[04:08] <_2> there is a ##windows channel though
[04:08] <pulaski> _2: yes I know I can run fdisk on the cl under the live 7.10 cd.  the installer on that cd however uses the grub-install package and I think it is not recognizing the correct mbr geometry thus the "L 99 99 99 ..." error.
[04:08] <MagLauncher> Well, I am more interested in checking out Kubuntu and Don'r mind that XP is disabled.
[04:10] <pulaski> My understanding here is that I can simillarly run apt-get on the cl under the live cd, remove the incorrectly installed grub and reinstall it and somehow manage to get the correct mbr (:
[04:10] <_2> pulaski more likely that the nomynclature changes from liveCD boot to hdd boot, you may need to use the grub prompt to setup grub rather than relying on the grub-install script
[04:10] <_2> apt-get to remove a package in the live CD ?     incredable!
[04:11] <_2> apt-get to install on the liveCD   yes you can do that.   but, i still think it's more likely an addressing issue.
[04:11] <pulaski> yes,  I found a good page on that very topic in the grub manual.  The only thing i need to make sure of is that changes I make under the live cd will be pemanent.
[04:12] <_2> pulaski url please ?
[04:12] <MagLauncher> I have a question.  Not a complaint, actually I think it is a good feature.  I went to look at an NTFS partition, and it is blank.  Any way to make it so I can view the files?  It asked for the root password.
[04:12] <pulaski> yeah please hold on _2
[04:12] <_2> MagLauncher that should be your user password.
[04:13] <_2> unless it's incription password that it's asking for...   ;/
[04:13] <MagLauncher> Yeah, I typed in my user password, but it shows the drive as empty.
[04:13] <MagLauncher> It has my emulation files and I wanted to copy some over to the Linux drive.
[04:14] <_2> MagLauncher hmmm.    sudo ls /media/*/         you can use the real mountpoint if you know it, rather than *
[04:15] <_2> MagLauncher or vanella    mount
[04:15] <MagLauncher> Okay, thank you.
[04:15] <_2> see what is mounted where
[04:17] <MagLauncher> "sudo ls /media/*/" just shows my CD drives and my USB stick drives.
[04:18] <_2> MagLauncher ok.   and the mount command says that the ntfs is mounted where ?
[04:18] <_2> MagLauncher    mount | grep -i ntfs
[04:19] <kgx> whats the syntax for doing opening a directory as root in konqueror, file:///root@home/me doesnt seem to work (im trying NOT to use kdesu)
[04:19] <MagLauncher> "mount | grep -i ntfs" doesn't do anything,.
[04:19] <_2> MagLauncher umm actually it does.   it says it's not mounted
[04:19] <_2> MagLauncher where is this ntfs filesystem ?     sda1 ?
[04:19] <MagLauncher> mag@Dimension:~$ mount | grep -i ntfsmag@Dimension:~$
[04:20] <_2> kgx fish:///
[04:20] <MagLauncher> NTFS is 2 partitions on my second hard drive.
[04:20] <MagLauncher> First drive is all Linux.
[04:20] <MagLauncher> I told Linux to use all the 60GB drive and leave the NTFS drive alone.
[04:21] <kgx> _2: yeah thats what i've resorted to for now
[04:22] <pulaski> Hello _2, sorry here's the url: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html
[04:22] <_2> are you going to make me guess ?        /dev/sdb1  and  /dev/sdb2  ???      you could do, cat /proc/partitions   or, fdisk -l    to find out
[04:22] <_2> pulaski k. give me a sec.
[04:22] <MagLauncher> Sorry.
[04:24] <_2> pulaski apt is not mentioned anywhere on that page ???
[04:24] <MagLauncher> !pastebin
[04:25] <MagLauncher> _2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12185/
[04:27] <MagLauncher> I apologize for the delay.
[04:27] <shawng> hey folks. Im use to debian.  I just tried out Latest kubuntu. 8.04 i think it is..it worked fine up untell it informed me that it could install the "not for free" drivers for my nvidia card (laptop, dell precision 4300) now i got a white screen with a black line in the middle of it
[04:27] <_2> MagLauncher ok.     <<< sudo mkdir -p /media/sdb1 /media/sdb5 ;sudo mount /dev/sdb1 -t ntfs /media/sdb1 ;sudo mount /dev/sdb5 -t ntfs /media/sdb5 >>>
[04:27] <shawng> sorry black and grey line
[04:27] <_2> MagLauncher report back if it errors out.
[04:27] <MagLauncher> Okay.
[04:28] <MagLauncher> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not supportedMount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use.
[04:28] <MagLauncher> It had alot to say.
[04:28] <shawng> its just basically, a display problem. i can get to tty2 and so forth.  I just dont knowhow to back out what i just did.  is there an aptitude program i can run and remove the envidia stuff i just installed?
[04:28] <pulaski>  sorry _2 I'm a relative newbie especially when it comes to tweaking grub.  My plan is to use apt-get to remove grub as installed with grub-install by the live 7.10 cd and manually reinstall following the instructions on that page.  I'm hoping the process will somehow turn out better.
[04:29] <_2> MagLauncher ok.  sudo umount /dev/sdb*      and try it again.
[04:29] <MagLauncher> Okay.
[04:30] <_2> pulaski using apt will NOT do what you plan to do there ^   sorry.
[04:30] <MagLauncher> $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not supportedMount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use.
[04:30] <pulaski> hmmm
[04:31] <_2> pulaski using apt-get   even with the --purge option will not remove grub from the MBR   apt just simply doesn't work that way.
[04:31] <MagLauncher> I will re-download the files.
[04:31] <pulaski> I see.
[04:32] <_2> MagLauncher ok.  that's why it showed as empty.   it's marked uncleen,  you need to boot that other os and let it scan it's file system for errors.
[04:33] <_2> MagLauncher however you should now see in /media/sdb5  what ever is on the extended partition on that disk.   assuming that you showed me all the error messages
[04:33] <MagLauncher> Let me paste the whole error mesages.  brb
[04:33] <_2> k
[04:34] <MagLauncher> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12186/
[04:34] <MagLauncher> I might take out the drive and put it aside so i can have XP back if I want it.
[04:35] <MagLauncher> Right now i cannot access XP.
[04:35] <_2> pulaski if you have a "patched" package of grub and want to install it in the live CD and then rerun the grub-install --root-dir=blah blah      it will over write the MBR with hopefully a better install....
[04:35] <pulaski> well I can forget about apt-get because as I read on about grub from the manual I know I can invoke a grub shell and make whatever changes I can read about there that might help me to tweak the current installation to work correctly.  ie no "L 99 99 99 99..." error.
[04:35] <_2> MagLauncher k.  i'm looking at your paste now...
[04:36] <_2> pulaski correct.    as i said "most likely an addressing issue, use the grub shell/prompt to search for the bios address"
[04:38] <_2> MagLauncher yeah. i see it's both fs's   ;/
[04:38] <pulaski> ok, thanks _2 that is helpful.  Like I said I'm only a hobbiest but I think I can figure this out.
[04:38] <qe2315> hello
[04:39] <_2> pulaski note; in the grub shell tab-completion helps.
[04:39] <_2> !tab | pulaski
[04:39] <qe2315> im trying to get flash installed on my 64 bit ubuntu os has anyone done this b4?
[04:39] <_2> !flash64
[04:41] <MagLauncher> Be back soon.
[04:41] <qe2315> ty ill try this
[04:43] <_2> grub wiped out my filesystem :(
[04:44] <_2> well actually it only borked it.
[04:45] <shawng> is there a bot here like the dpkg bot?
[04:46] <_2> !bot
[04:46] <pulaski> _2: thanks.  I'm going to continue.  I'll cya around.
[04:46] <qe2315> Thank you very much that worked Great!
[04:46] <_2> pulaski if you have other questions you know where to find us
[04:46] <_2> qe2315 welcome
[04:47] <_2> /ban Jucato@*
[04:49] <qe2315> ok I have one more question... Dual monitors, I hope someone has an easy link for that :p
[04:50] <_2> !dualhead
[04:50] <_2> !Xinerama
[04:50] <_2> pick you choice, not your nose.
[04:51] <_2> :)
[04:52] <_2> /ban *!Jucato@*
[04:57] <_2> /kickban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  "say; don't i know you, didn't you used to do major networking some place?"
[05:00] <grendal_prime> ok im back.
[05:00] <grendal_prime> anyone miss me?
[05:00]  * Agent_bob never fired a shot...
[05:01] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:01] <grendal_prime> im new to this...ive used debian (straight up ) for like 4 years now and...well i got a new laptop so figured id try this out.
[05:01] <grendal_prime> got a question about nvidia drivers.
[05:02] <Agent_bob> !nv grendal_prime best i can do is point at the infonode on that, sorry;
[05:02] <Agent_bob> !nv | grendal_prime best i can do is point at the infonode on that, sorry;
[05:02] <grendal_prime> the machine is a dell precision m4300.
[05:02] <grendal_prime> ya i read that ubottu bot helped me out
[05:02] <grendal_prime> im just wondering ifn anyone has set this up on this particular laptop.
[05:03] <Agent_bob> grendal_prime larfer user base in #ubuntu    if no one answers here, try there.
[05:04] <Agent_bob> the xorg driver is not DE specific,  so if you don't mention kde they shouldn't care.
[05:04] <Agent_bob> s/larfer/larger/  ^
[05:06] <[GuS]> Hi guys... is there a problem with Qt Designer 4.4, it starts by default with Oxygen style, but if i set plastique style with qt4 settings, it still starts with oxygen style and without fonts on menu bar and toolbar (currently i've installed kde3.x and kde4, but using the first)
[05:06] <o0Chris0o> hey guys, I'm unable to connect to my windows pc through my home network to get my files, any ideas? I click on "samba shares" and it says couldnt' connect
[05:07] <MagLauncher> I added the multiverse to the repositories but cannot find vmware player.
[05:07] <MagLauncher> I get thi smessage installing vmware workstation:
[05:07] <MagLauncher> rpm -U --replacepkgs  '///media/cdrom0/My\ Downloads/VMware-workstation-6.0.3-80004.i386.rpm';echo RESULT=$?error: Failed dependencies:	/bin/sh is needed by VMwareWorkstation-6.0.3-80004.i386RESULT=1
[05:09] <stdin> MagLauncher: we use .deb not .rpm
[05:10] <MagLauncher> Okay.
[05:11] <Agent_bob> !apt | MagLauncher
[05:12] <MagLauncher> I was using apt to look for the vmware player.  I ge 4 items for vmware but none are the player.
[05:12] <stdin> MagLauncher: doesn't look like it is in multiverse any more
[05:14] <Agent_bob> !info vmware-player
[05:15] <crash__> !ot
[05:15] <Agent_bob> !info vmware-player dapper
[05:15] <stdin> MagLauncher: go to vmware.com and download the .tar.gz version
[05:15] <MagLauncher> Okay.
[05:24] <crazy_bus> I have mythtvbackend opening everytime I start my computer.  How do I tell it not to (It's not in the .kde/Autostart folder)
[05:35] <Agent_bob> init script ?
[05:35] <Agent_bob> !autostart
[05:35] <Agent_bob> !startup
[05:36] <Agent_bob> !upstart
[05:37] <crazy_bus> !boot
[05:43] <crazy_bus> I still cant find mythtv in the autostart or env folders.
[05:45] <MagLauncher> !vmware
[05:57] <anethum_a> hey i just got a cool idea for a window manager effect, who should i tell?
[05:58] <stdin> the compiz people probably
[05:59] <eyemon> whats the use of katapult?
[05:59] <ElecNinja>  To easily access your programs with a few short keys.
[05:59] <stdin> to start something quickly without having to go into the menu
[06:00] <anethum_a> katapult is a great program to access programs and files quickly by just typing the name (or first few letters)
[06:00] <anethum_a> it will also do basic calculator functions too
[06:00] <dpowerd> im trying to use chsh to make a bogus shell for a user... which shell do i use
[06:00] <dpowerd> to disable all functionality basically
[06:00] <eyemon> when i launch it nothing happens
[06:01] <stdin> press alt-space
[06:01] <eyemon> nothing is happening man
[06:01] <anethum_a> type the first few letters of a program you want to start
[06:02] <eyemon> where should i write the letters?
[06:02] <stdin> dpowerd: I tend to use /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin
[06:02] <anethum_a> just press alt+space and type when the katapult program appears
[06:03] <eyemon> the katapult does not appear when i press alt+space
[06:04] <eyemon> y's that??
[06:04] <anethum_a> bring up a terminal and type katapult and see if it starts then
[06:05] <the_zenman> That might happen if you've got compiz running, for some reason.
[06:06] <eyemon> ya it works
[06:07] <eyemon> but alt+space does not work
[06:07] <eyemon> how can i fix it??
[06:08] <Agent_bob> dpowerd   false  or true  either work well and both have their adcantages
[06:08] <Agent_bob> ooops  he's gone
[06:08] <the_zenman> check if katapult is running by running 'pidof katapult' in a terminal
[06:08] <anethum_a> you can go to system setting>keyboard and mouse>keyboard shortcuts and set it yourself
[06:08] <the_zenman> if it gives a number, but nothing happens when you press alt+space, then kill the process and run it again
[06:09] <the_zenman> yeah, check if for some reason the shortcuts are different for you
[06:09] <anethum_a> its under command shortcuts and under the utilities section
[06:16] <rsc-232> how do i find out what my tv card is coming up as
[06:19] <eyemon> where can i get adobe photoshop for ubuntu
[06:19] <dontbugme> lol
[06:19] <sgraham> gimp
[06:20] <sgraham> but that is funny eyemon
[06:20] <dontbugme> or use wine
[06:20] <sgraham> i mean..hell...im still loling on that
[06:20] <eyemon> :(
[06:20] <dontbugme> heh
[06:20] <eyemon> hey i'm very new to this
[06:20] <sgraham> you can do everything you do with photoshop with gimp
[06:20] <eyemon> o
[06:20] <dontbugme> there is even gimpshop I think
[06:21] <sgraham> you just need get use to where things are..sure
[06:21] <sgraham> i mean my oldest son does all kinds of crazy stuff with it and there is a ton of plugins for that thing
[06:21] <sgraham> you can video edit with it to
[06:21] <anethum_a> yeah, gimp is a really good graphics program, and yeah, it has a little learning curve, but its easy to get used to
[06:22] <sgraham> i know you sure get alot for the price(especially when you compaire it to photoshop in price) and it makes compatable files
[06:22] <sgraham> grrrrrrrrrrr im not liking this buntu stuff
[06:22] <sgraham> im thinking im heading back to debian testing
[06:23] <sgraham> i keep having problems with the vid drivers..
[06:23] <sgraham> and it locks the entire machine..
[06:23] <Chrysalis> kde3 or 4?
[06:23] <sgraham> i think it has alot more to do with xorg actually. and the perpriatory nvidia drivers
[06:25] <house> hi all
[06:26] <anethum_a> hello
[06:27] <Chrysalis> kde4 was problematic for me too, pretty much everything i tried to open or close gave me errors and it freezes on maximizing/restoring windows, 3.5 has been flawless for me and very responsive (i was surprised how responsive it was at first)
[06:27] <house> chrysalis , read my message in KDE4 channel
[06:27] <sgraham> Agent_bob:  ya
[06:28] <house> Chrysalis: i understand  how slow it is , im running a 2.4 GHZ with 512 RAM and 256MB nvidia card and it still slow and weird , it dont do what you want and desktop effects cant work
[06:28] <sgraham> the only thin that bothers me about the buntu's in general is that they seem so tied into the gui.  I mean i run into a problem and the entire thing goes wonky..
[06:28] <sgraham> i cant just like kill x..reconfigure it and fire it up again
[06:29] <house> however Chrysalis i still believe KDE4 is still new and its only 4.0 , i believe 4.4 will be a major jump but why did they release 4.0 now , i wished if Kubuntu remix said we will extend this project until the next kde release but yuou know how competitors work in this world hehe
[06:29] <Agent_bob> sgraham agreed,    but what i said would be trolling in here though.    and !ot
[06:29] <sgraham> oh
[06:30] <Chrysalis> house: they want it getting tested, and yea, its not rdy for mianstream. . . by far
[06:30] <sgraham> well im not registerd here..so i cant pm you ..hold on ill set up the ident brb
[06:30] <uga> Chrysalis: it's not meant to be ready
[06:30] <uga> Chrysalis: they just want to test it as much as possible
[06:30] <Agent_bob> sgraham i think you can "just like kill x..reconfigure it and fire it up again"    sudo killall kdm     login, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg       sudo kdm
[06:30] <Chrysalis> its like building a tottaly new DE from teh ground up, all programs need proting etc, its gonna take a while till i feel comfortable enough to move
[06:31] <house> Chrysalis:  have you updated to 4.04?
[06:31] <sgraham> ya had something weird happen with that though..hold on
[06:31] <uga> Chrysalis: 4.1 should already be usable. 4.2 and 4.3 should make it much faster and robust
[06:31] <rsc-232> how do i find out what my tv card is coming up as
[06:31] <Chrysalis> 4.3 is what i have i think
[06:31] <surgy> hey guys fixing to move back to kubuntu
[06:32] <surgy> is kde4 worth anything yet?
[06:32] <uga> Chrysalis: 4.1 isn't out yet =)
[06:32] <uga> so neither 4.3 =)
[06:32] <anethum_a> actually kde 4.0.4 is pretty usable
[06:32] <surgy> "pretty" usable.....
[06:32] <Agent_bob> sgraham i'm not running the latest, they seem to be testing some "auto_re_configure_every_time_X_thingy" something or 'nother   in the hardy breed
[06:32] <surgy> answers my question, kde 3 it is
[06:32] <Chrysalis> yea, add a zero in between there :p
[06:32] <o0Chris0o> its usuable
[06:32] <o0Chris0o> but its not feature rich yet
[06:33] <uga> anethum_a: you can't even move widgets, layouting is broken, konqueror won't load pages right..., that's not usable =)
[06:33] <uga> yes, konsole works, right
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> its usable
[06:33] <o0Chris0o> :)
[06:33] <Agent_bob> i should not even try to talk,  everyone i say something to is already gone...
[06:33] <uga> yes, "usable" as in "you can use it, but it won't work", right¿
[06:33] <Chrysalis> you cant really configure much of anything, i hope thats not on purpose and changes as it matures
[06:34] <house> i want to convince my family that Linux rockz , thats why i have kde4 installed , and soon il show them that this is the mother of Vista and Mac , a system that does everything and can run all mac and windows products . this is the approach of linux
[06:34] <fildo> o0Chris0o: howd u go?
[06:34] <o0Chris0o> howd I got
[06:34] <rsc-232> any ideas?
[06:34] <o0Chris0o> fildo
[06:34] <o0Chris0o> I switched back
[06:34] <o0Chris0o> its not usable for me :)
[06:34] <fildo> ok
[06:34] <Chrysalis> o0Chris0o: same :)
[06:35] <o0Chris0o> I am sticking with stable till kde4 comes to be stable
[06:35] <surgy> kde 4 cant run "all windows products" can it?
[06:36] <house> o0Chris0o: if Jesus christ is GOD , and hes GOD incarnated into Jesus , and Jesus Worshiped GOD , the question arises , how can GOD worship GOD ... hmm
[06:36] <o0Chris0o> most linux os can't run all windows products :)
[06:36] <surgy> i mean its been a while since ive messed with linux but its still heavely dependant on wine for win32 apps right?
[06:36] <izzyb> lol
[06:36] <anethum_a> ive got kde 4.0.4 installed along with kde 3.5.9 and for only being in distros for a couple months now, i am very impressed with the usabilty of kde 4 at the moment, its shaping up quickly to be a great DE
[06:36] <izzyb> where'd that come from?
[06:36] <Chrysalis> surgy: what windows programs exactly do you wanna use? the kde once are for the most part better then any windows once and free
[06:37] <surgy> im not even understanding the big deal about kde 4
[06:37] <surgy> its just an update right?
[06:37] <anethum_a> more like a total overhaul
[06:38] <grendal_prime> god that was overly difficult
[06:38] <izzyb> I only played with it for a few minutes, but found it wasn't usable by me at the time.  too many things I can't figure out how to do that I can do in kde3
[06:38] <grendal_prime> Agent_bob: ok this is me again
[06:38] <surgy> anethum hmm looks like i need to hit google for a min
[06:38] <uga> surgy: everything got rewritten. The way kde does multimedia, filesystem access, desktop...
[06:38] <grendal_prime> sorry new nic
[06:38] <emilsedgh> izzyb: man, KDE 4.0 like little baby...
[06:39] <izzyb> ?
[06:39] <izzyb> you mean it's not quite ready for use?
[06:39] <crazy_bus> what is the best way to disable mythbuntu in init.d?
[06:39] <izzyb> I'd agree
[06:39] <Lenaud01> I have a hp pavilion and it has vista on it and I cant stand it, I did kubuntu with the windows install option but my wireless does not work at all in kubuntu?
[06:39] <anethum_a> not for full day to day use at least
[06:40] <anethum_a> what pavilion is it, thats what im on right now on wireless
[06:40] <Lenaud01> I would like to switch over but need have wireless of course
[06:40] <surgy> ok now i get it
[06:40] <Lenaud01> its a paviolion 6839cl
[06:40] <surgy> kde 4 is like kde's version of vista
[06:40] <surgy> .....
[06:40] <izzyb> crazy_bus, what is the name of the process in /etc/init.d/  -- do something like update-rc.d remove mythbuntu?
[06:40] <surgy> i hate widgets
[06:41] <Lenaud01> it adds more then widgets surgy
[06:41] <surgy> Lenaud01 tell me something worthwhile that it does add?
[06:41] <surgy> as compared to 3.5.x
[06:42] <o0Chris0o> !kde4
[06:42] <uga> surgy: something that will finally make your soundcard work when 4 apps are playing at the same time?
[06:42] <Lenaud01> read there site and compare for self surgy and form your own opionion
[06:42] <uga> surgy: something that will do your flash cards right when you want to use them?
[06:42] <surgy> lol why would i ever have four apps accesing my sound card?
[06:42] <uga> surgy: something that will show your cameras right when you connect them in digikam?
[06:42] <izzyb> er, crazy_bus that should be update-rc.d mythbuntu remove
[06:42] <uga> surgy: oh you do, you just didn't notice yet
[06:42] <uga> on a daily basis
[06:42] <surgy> example?
[06:42] <Lenaud01> anethum_a did you have do anything get wireless working??
[06:43] <crazy_bus> izzyb: should I force it?  update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[06:43] <uga> surgy: oh my... it's obvious, think a bit. KDE will play sounds through your soundcard on each event. amarok will too, and at the same time if you open flash, flash can't play
[06:43] <izzyb> crazy_bus, yes
[06:43] <uga> surgy: or open skype while you hear music
[06:43] <anethum_a> Lenaud01, yeah, it took me a bit to track down exactly what i needed to do, but go to www.uboontu.com and search for your laptop
[06:43] <izzyb> you need to force it if the script is still in init.d
[06:44] <anethum_a> Lenaud01, i was trying to track down the tutorial i used but unfortunately it seems i did not bookmark it
[06:44] <Lenaud01> thanks a ton anethum_a funny thing is I could not even downgrade this one to xp lol I tryed and no harddrives were detected with the xp cd lol
[06:44] <crazy_bus> thanks izzyb
[06:44] <izzyb> crazy_bus, to put it back after do update-rc.d myth defaults
[06:44] <Lenaud01> kubuntu worked fine tho with the windows version hopfully i can wipe vista off I hate it its crap
[06:45] <anethum_a> yeah, kubuntu runs so much better on this laptop than vista did
[06:45] <uga> surgy: it's not just bits that have been changed. it's the whole of kde that has been rewritten from scratch
[06:45] <izzyb> Lenaud01, as I've just discovered going back to xp from vista can be a driver nightmare too :(
[06:45] <Lenaud01> vista is a joke
[06:45] <izzyb> yeah, that much most agree on
[06:45] <Lenaud01> yea heard that izzyb
[06:45] <Chrysalis> has anyone got logitech mx518 thumb buttons working? nothings worked for me that i could find googling
[06:45] <surgy> uga you say things and assume my usage of my desktop is the same as yours, when i multi task I never run the same thing twice, If i want multimedia i only use one type of software, IE: vlc for movies or amarok for sound never both
[06:46] <Lenaud01> vista is to xp what millenium was to 98
[06:46] <izzyb> except microsoft who things they can force everyone to use vista like it or not
[06:46] <izzyb> yeah, That was a painful time too
[06:46] <uga> surgy: you say things and assume that you are the only kde 3.x user around?
[06:46] <surgy> vista sucks
[06:46] <Lenaud01> dx10 is huge thats all they got
[06:46] <uga> surgy: kde 3.x is broken, not for you, but for the rest of users it is
[06:46] <uga> that's why it needed a rewrite
[06:46] <Chrysalis> they are already working on windows 7 (i think what the new one was called)
[06:46] <anethum_a> yeah, one of the main reasons im using linux today is because of trying to do a clean install of XP, i was like, omg, where am i going to get these drivers from? nothing works!
[06:47] <surgy> my 2.8 ghz athlonX2 laptop with 4 gb ram and 180 gb hdd takes 5 minutes to boot into vista, something is wrong with that
[06:47] <Lenaud01> yea there ditching vista Chrysalis
[06:47] <Lenaud01> that search engine is going make ubuntu/kubuntu even bigger anethum_a lol great resource
[06:47] <izzyb> kde4 will come into its own in time, and I have little doubt I'll run it and love it - when its ready for me
[06:47] <Chrysalis> so has anyone got their mouse thumb (back/forward) buttons working? nothing seems to work for me
[06:48] <Chrysalis> mx518 in particular
[06:49] <anethum_a> yeah, i love it, it was a great idea
[06:49] <uga> Chrysalis: you just need to configure the number of buttons in xorg possibly
[06:49] <surgy> anyone ever do any console emulation on there buntu box?
[06:49] <Lenaud01> I get no results putting my lappy model in :(
[06:49] <uga> Chrysalis: I have an mx laser mouse and had it working with all buttons
[06:50] <Chrysalis> uga: which config did you use?  there was a couple walk throughs on ubuntu forums that didnt do anything for me
[06:50] <uga> Chrysalis: I had mapped the thumb buttons to switch desktop and desktop sorting. So much fun with compiz and kde4 stuff
[06:50] <anethum_a> lenaud01, im trying to find it myself, yeah try some different keywords like HP, just the model number, pavilion
[06:51] <uga> Chrysalis: ugh, yes, I had to test different mappings and one worked finally, but each mouse is different
[06:51] <anethum_a> lenaud01, is it a DV series?
[06:51] <Lenaud01> I got it :)
[06:51] <Lenaud01> broadcom
[06:51] <uga> Chrysalis: in compiz you can configure number 7 to rotate desktop for example
[06:51] <uga> you can specify numbers
[06:51] <Lenaud01> thats the wireless card type per device manager
[06:51] <Lenaud01> ndiswrapper i have a feeling
[06:52] <Chrysalis> uga: well, ill try searching more i guess
[06:52] <uga> Chrysalis: I have to leave now, but if you cannot figure out, I'll be back in the evening
[06:52] <Chrysalis> uga: ok, thank you
[06:53] <anethum_a> lenaud01, this looks helpful here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475963
[06:53] <Lenaud01> is that what you did anethum_a?
[06:54] <Lenaud01> I assume you have broadcome to having a pavilion as well
[06:54] <uga> Chrysalis: I forgot, if you can't find it in ubuntu forums, check gentoo ones, they usually have very detailed ones
[06:54] <Lenaud01> broadcom
[06:55] <anethum_a> lenaud01, yeah broadcom here also, thats not the tutorial i followed but it looks pretty good, if i was trying to get wireless working right now i would try it
[06:55] <Lenaud01> ok thanks
[06:55] <Lenaud01> issue is I have no interent on kubuntu when i go to that
[06:55] <Lenaud01> and it wants me to use repos
[06:59] <anethum_a> Lenaud01, give me a min i might have found the tutorial i used
[07:00] <Lenaud01> you using kubuntu 8.04?
[07:01] <Agent_bob> !bug
[07:01] <anethum_a> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=769990 that is the tutorial i used i believe, and yes 8.04
[07:01] <anethum_a> if that applies to you
[07:01] <Lenaud01> thanks a lot anethum_a
[07:02] <Lenaud01> im running 64 bit but im sure same lol
[07:03] <Lenaud01> thanks a lot anethum_a
[07:04] <anethum_a> no problem, hopefully you can at least use this is a starting point for more info if its not successful
[07:05] <anethum_a> well good luck, im off to bed, ive got school in the morning
[07:10] <Agent_bob> times up.   gooday
[07:18] <firat> merhaba tük varmı burada
[07:19] <firat> ihtiyacım var bir konuda
[07:19] <firat> türk
[07:20] <Jucato> !tr | firat
[07:24] <edos> lut all
[07:29] <izzyb> I'm fighting with a problem causing my system to hang randomly in a strange way.  I could use some help isolating it -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12199/
[07:33] <snowolf> izzyb: could be the problem related to any application you might be running? I experience a problem (not on kubuntu) with World of Warcraft that is exactly like your one
[07:35] <izzyb> hmm, only programs I can think of that may have been running during all the crashes are firefox2, konsole, and maybe konqueror
[07:35] <izzyb> as far as processes I ran
[07:36] <izzyb> outside of using xen and compiz, I'm running a standard kubuntu hardy install
[07:36] <izzyb> hmm, with lvm and raid active
[07:36] <ceo> hi
[07:37] <snowolf> izzyb: no idea of what might cause it, just I run a similar Sabayon/Gentoo install (two monitors and all of that) and experience freezes with WoW, usually I reset :)
[07:39] <izzyb_> crap, just hung again.
[07:40] <izzyb_> I'm going to drop this system down to console only to isolate xwindows as the cause
[07:43] <surgy> hi
[07:43] <surgy> i forgot how to get to the restricted drivers manager
[07:43] <surgy> !nvidia
[07:51] <tiki> does anybody see any advantage to enabling the root account and using su rather than using sudo for everything?
[07:52] <timboy> anyone know of a good cli m4p to avi converter? preferably m4p to xvid
[07:54] <roner> hola es mi primera noche en kubuntu
[07:54] <izzyb_> tiki, I usuallyy enable the root account for times when I'm doing a lot at the command line that requires root.
[07:55] <timboy> izzyb_, why don't you just do sudo su?
[07:55] <izzyb_> hmm, never considered even trying such a thing
[07:56] <izzyb_> I guess that would eliminate the need for a root password
[07:56] <timboy> izzyb_, yes then you don't have to lock the root password when you are done... ;)
[07:57]  * izzyb_ has never been that concerned about running as root.  I've done it for years.
[07:58] <timboy> izzyb_, not concerned about running as root but if you forget to lock root account it leaves your system more vulnerable.
[07:59] <tiki> how is the root account locked out
[07:59] <izzyb_> timboy, not sure how that would be. your user account would be the point of attack then instead of root
[08:00] <timboy> izzyb_, yes but do you know what my user account is?
[08:00] <izzyb_> I'm sure it's not that hard to figure out
[08:00] <Roy_Muzz> Does ubuntu have a default program that can be used as a vnc client or should I specifically apt-get a new one?
[08:01] <izzyb_> timboy, are you logged in as dena?
[08:01] <timboy> if you were attacking my system remotely it would be
[08:01] <timboy> izzyb_, no that's just my system name
[08:01] <izzyb_> ah, I see
[08:01] <izzyb_> my mistake
[08:02] <timboy> i always name my system different than username but i'm paranoid... ;)
[08:02] <tiki> kfrb is desktop sharing for kubuntu....im not sure what it is for gnome
[08:02] <tiki> it uses vnc
[08:03] <Roy_Muzz> tiki, thanks, perfect
[08:04] <izzyb_> hmm, strange, irc knows my username not my system name.  how do you mask yours timboy?
[08:05] <timboy> I don't remember how i did it off the top of my head was a while ago when I set this system up
[08:06] <izzyb_> there are a number of ways for a remote user to find out the primary account on a box, so I wouldn't rely on sudo as a fool proof defence of the root account
[08:07] <eatThisAndDie> izzyb_: there is?
[08:08] <izzyb_> any application you run is a potential whole to your user account.
[08:08] <izzyb_> all it takes is an unpatched bug in a program you use and sudo is rendered useless
[08:09] <izzyb_> well, not useless, they still have to break your password
[08:09] <izzyb_> but they know the account to attack. so no better then having a root account
[08:09] <izzyb_> of course, you shouldn't allow remote access to root, and you shouldn't run anything like irc as root
[08:10] <izzyb_> but thats  the case even if you don't activate a root password
[08:23] <peer_> Ok, I made a copy of a directory with rsync to a mobile disk. diffed it - everything is fine. but with "Properties" on the two directories, I get different total file sizes. This should not be like that.
[08:27] <p_quarles> peer_, different filesystems? different inode sizes? I'm not sure I buy that they should take exactly the same space
[08:28] <peer_> p_quarles: probably, but they should still show the same file sizes. or maybe two values: the real ones, and the file-system-affected-ones.
[08:29] <p_quarles> the "real" one is affected by the filesystem . . .
[08:30] <p_quarles> all I'm saying is, investigate the differences between the disks and how they're formatted before concluding that anything is not as it should be
[08:30] <peer_> no, no. if i put a file on the disk with x bytes, it should tell me that it has x bytes and retrieve x bytes. not y bytes, even if it takes y bytes on the disk.
[08:31] <p_quarles> if you say so
[08:31] <peer_> well, the total file size serves as a rough estimation that the whole copy thind went well. why should i investigate further if everything was copied fine? it makes things more complicated.
[08:32] <PeanutHorst> oh btw
[08:32] <PeanutHorst> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo su -
[08:32] <PeanutHorst> root@ubuntu:~#
[08:32] <PeanutHorst> ^^ huge bug as i see it :p
[08:32] <p_quarles> peer_, rsync authenticates with hashes, though -- saves the trouble
[08:32] <p_quarles> PeanutHorst, how is that a bug?
[08:33] <PeanutHorst> p_quarles: instant interactive root shell is a bug.
[08:33] <p_quarles> PeanutHorst, no it's not
[08:33] <pyro17> uuuugh
[08:34] <p_quarles> PeanutHorst, though the proper way is to use sudo -i
[08:35] <Bauldrick> all users except mines screen res reverts to 1024x* when logging in? I can set to 1280* through NVIDIA X settings, but it always goes back to 1028??
[08:43] <mehdi_> WoW(it s my first Time ;) (test))
[08:44] <djdarkman> where does kontact keep it`s lock files?
[08:46] <p_quarles> djdarkman_, in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/
[08:53] <htrednek> How do you locate the install location of a program apt installed?  ie Firefox?
[08:53] <smeril> hardy heron is shit i cant even use bloody myspace
[08:53] <htrednek> Sorry for the noob question, I'm waay rusty in linux and am just getting back into it.
[08:54] <smeril> it says error loading xml document when i click on the myspace player
[08:55] <smeril> that proves how smoth windows can be
[08:55] <p_quarles> htrednek, use the "which" command -- e.g., "which firefox"
[08:56] <p_quarles> it should return /usr/bin/firefox -- meaning that the executable is in /usr/bin (like most are)
[08:57] <stdin> htrednek: "dpkg -L <package>" will list all the files installed by "<package>"
[09:04] <htrednek> p_quaries / stdin, thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for.
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> lo each
[09:16] <smeril> how can i wiev myspace player from firefox it says that it has error loading xml document when i try to play music
[09:16] <smeril> http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=81371327
[09:17] <smeril> before i updated to hardy heron from the terminal everything worked fine
[09:17] <smeril> pls help
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> smeril: let me websearch
[09:18] <joebros_> smeril? have you tried a fresh install of hardy heron?
[09:18] <joebros_> i've read in many places that updating causes some problems
[09:18] <joebros_> smeril: what kind of problems are you facing?
[09:19] <smeril> sry i was wrong on this one i have a fresh install and on my other laptop i did it from the terminal
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=479363
[09:19] <smeril> what is xml document
[09:19] <joebros_> smeril: so are both (laptop and fresh install) causing problems?
[09:20] <smeril> no only this one with the fresh install from live cd
[09:20] <smeril> but except that it is working
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> smeril: do you have full updates and latest flash plugin?
[09:20] <smeril> yes
[09:21] <smeril> what flash plugin is best
[09:21] <PeanutHorst> um, what's the name of the bootloader used for the start of kubuntu bootup from livecd?
[09:21] <smeril> i have to klick on the player before it can wiev for ex youtube or myspace
[09:21] <smeril> it has a big play sign on it
[09:22] <smeril> i downloaded the flash plugin that firefoc recomended me to install
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> smeril: do other flash sites work ok?
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> www.youtube.com
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> www.fat-pie.com
[09:23] <smeril> YES
[09:23] <smeril> only myspace
[09:24] <smeril> i mean everything works except myspace
[09:24] <joebros_> ?
[09:24] <joebros_> smeril: perhaps it is a javascript setting
[09:24] <smeril> how can i change that?
[09:25] <joebros_> smeril: i mean in firefox do you have javascript enabled?
[09:25] <smeril> where do i find that in settings?
[09:25] <joebros_> smeril: Tools->Options->Content
[09:25] <smeril> yes
[09:25] <smeril> java is enebled
[09:26] <joebros_> smeril: Check the enable javascript
[09:26] <smeril> it is ticked
[09:26] <joebros_> mmm
[09:26] <smeril> wierd
[09:26] <joebros_> weird
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> smeril: if you verify java is installed does it succeed. Use http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[09:27] <smeril> what does a xml document do ?
[09:28] <joebros_> smeril: an xml document can have data, settings, layout properties
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> smeril: you could try removing then reinstalling flash
[09:29] <smeril> it says you are using a newer version of JRE than the current version availible on java.com
[09:30] <joebros_> smeril: impossible !
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> smeril: id rinstall java from java.com
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> smeril: sun make java, id install sun's java
[09:32] <smeril> should i delete the current version befre install the new one
[09:33] <joebros_> smeril: yes delete it, and make a reboot if it asks to
[09:36] <joebros_> does anyone has some experience in installing kubuntu from DVD?
[09:41] <smeril_> when i try to open the downloaded java file it says it cant open the file and when i try to remove java with adept it says it cant remove it because other programs are depending on it
[09:41] <joebros_> smeril: did you close firefox?
[09:42] <joebros_> smeril: you can reboot your machine and then directly after rebooting try to remove java
[09:42] <smeril_> i will try
[09:43] <xt828> i have a rather odd problem
[09:44] <joebros_> xt828: what is it?
[09:44] <xt828> when i run apt-get in konsole, it keeps trying to connect to a mythical server at <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:44] <xt828> but if i run adept manager it works fine
[09:45] <smeril_> it still says the same after reboot
[09:45] <xt828> yeah
[09:46] <xt828> rebooted a couple of times to no effect
[09:46] <smeril_> Cannot remove 'sun-java6-bin'
[09:46] <smeril_> One or more applications depend on sun-java6-bin. To remove sun-java6-bin and the dependent applications, use the Synaptic package manager.
[09:47] <smeril_> how can i remove java with synaptic?
[09:47] <joebros_> smeril: what are the applications that depend on the sun-java6-bin package?
[09:47] <smeril_> i dont know
[09:47] <smeril_> maybe firefox
[09:48] <joebros_> smeril: mmm
[09:48] <joebros_> smeril: type "man synaptic" when you're in the console
[09:48] <spitfirekdv> Hi all! I have a strange problem with kopete in kubuntu 8.04 - it restarts X when I want to read message
[09:49] <smeril_> i am in synaptic now and i have marked all java applications but how do i confirm remove after marking them?
[09:50] <joebros_> smeril: click on Accept button
[09:50] <smeril_> i cant find it wierd
[09:52] <smeril_> i am still looking
[09:52] <joebros_> smeril: :(
[09:53] <Chrysalis> i am getting a bunch of errors in terminal from 'sudo kate'. . . temp files being owned by uid 1000 instead of 0
[09:53] <Chrysalis> any idea?
[09:54] <smeril_> have a look for you self http://bayimg.com/AAJHeaabK
[09:56] <joebros_> smeril: it is the "Apply" button that you need to click at
[09:56] <joebros_> smeril: try to make changes so that the Apply button is enabled again
[09:57] <smeril_> can it be save markings?
[09:57] <smeril_> sry
[09:57] <smeril_> apply i grey
[09:57] <smeril_> cant touch
[09:58] <joebros_> smeril: yes, i've seen that the apply button is grey, try to make it enabled again by making changes to the pakages selected (i.e. mark the package and then unmark it)
[09:59] <smeril_> when i start synaptic it says that it will start without admin rights
[09:59] <joebros_> ah ok
[09:59] <joebros_> smeril: start synapsys with administrator privileges
[10:00] <joebros_> smeril: type "sudo synapsis" in the console
[10:00] <smeril_> smeril@smeril-laptop:~$ sudo synapsis
[10:00] <smeril_> [sudo] password for smeril:
[10:00] <smeril_> sudo: synapsis: command not found
[10:00] <smeril_> smeril@smeril-laptop:~$
[10:01] <joebros_> smeril: type "sudo passwd root"
[10:01] <smeril_> sry
[10:01] <joebros_> smeril: then enter a password for the root account
[10:01] <smeril_> i typed wrong
[10:01] <smeril_> :)
[10:03] <smeril_> removal is done
[10:03] <smeril_> but when i want to install the new file from java.com it says Couldn't display "/home/smeril/Desktop/jre-6u5-linux-i586.bin".
[10:04] <joebros_> smeril: how are you installing it?
[10:05] <joebros_> smeril: try to install it from console
[10:05] <joebros_> smeril: i.e. go to your console and then run the file
[10:05] <smeril_> sudo apt-get ??
[10:06] <joebros_> smeril: no, download the file from sun website, save it to disk, then type the filename in the console
[10:06] <smeril_> ok
[10:06] <sig_wal1> installing sun-java6-jre package is easier way :)
[10:09] <smeril_> it dosent work what directory should i be in?
[10:09] <joebros_> smeril: i assume that you downloaded your package to the desktop
[10:09] <joebros_> smeril: so you should be in the Desktop directory
[10:10] <sig_wal1> why do you need java from official site? java installed from repository works fine..
[10:10] <joebros_> smeril: type "home/smeril/Desktop/jre-6u5-linux-i586.bin"
[10:14] <blrguy> helloo
[10:14] <blrguy> does kde4 need a p4 machine?
[10:16] <eatThisAndDie> doesn't NEED it, but you'll be glad to have it
[10:18] <joebros_> kde4 needs a good vga however because it has lots of visual effects
[10:19] <late-Commer> oic so p4 is a must
[10:19] <joebros_> i think a good vga is a must
[10:19] <joebros_> you will definitely be amazed by the visual effects that kde4 has
[10:19] <late-Commer> ok
[10:20] <late-Commer> ic
[10:20] <late-Commer> but it is very slow naa
[10:21] <late-Commer> some one in kde channel said kwin is slow and qqt4.4 is fast
[10:21] <Roy_Muzz> Hi can anyone tell me where the fonts are kept int kubuntu. I have a problem with VNC not being able to find my fonts. Thanks
[10:21] <joebros_> true
[10:24] <blrguy> but kubuntu's installtion is nice
[10:25] <blrguy> first run live cd and then install
[10:25] <blrguy> simple
[10:26] <thebosch> werkt als een speer dankje wel
[10:27] <thebosch> nu nog een beetje geluid :)
[10:28] <thebosch> soundblaster FX
[10:28] <thebosch> of werkt die niet onder Ubuntu ??
[10:30] <Odd-rationale> !de | thebosch
[10:32] <advanced> !compiz
[10:33] <joebros__> ubottu: do you have any idea if the compiz package is available on the kubuntu DVD release?
[10:33] <late-Commer> is it true that gnome is considered enterprise not kde
[10:33] <advanced> pls tell me command how to install COmpiz Fusion ? I have Kubuntu Hardy herron
[10:35] <joebros__> advanced: get the compiz debian package and install it
[10:35] <advanced> where i can download ?
[10:36] <late-Commer> is it true that gnome is considered enterprise not kde
[10:37] <joebros__> advanced: add the following repository to /ect/apt/sources.list
[10:37] <joebros__> advanced: http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main universe
[10:37] <sig_wal1> feisty?
[10:37] <joebros__> advanced: then type: sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:38] <advanced> thx
[10:40] <Odd-rationale> advanced: compiz is in the hardy repos already
[10:40] <advanced> i have now
[10:40] <advanced> thx
[10:40] <advanced> !Cedega
[10:40] <Odd-rationale> advanced: no need to add the feisty repo...
[10:40] <advanced> !Wine
[10:40] <advanced> hmm
[10:40] <advanced> I need help how to play WoW in Linux
[10:41] <Odd-rationale> advanced: check the appdb
[10:41] <Odd-rationale> !appdb | advanced
[10:41] <advanced> But i have Cedega - illegal...because WINE dont works for me :-/
[10:43] <Roey> advanced:  that's because gnu/linux sucks.
[10:44] <Roey> advanced:  no youtube, no windows games.
[10:44] <kuil_> Roey: no youtube?
[10:44] <Roey> advanced:  for all its worth, when it comes to homey things... it doesn't work.
[10:44] <Roey> kuil_:  64-bit kubuntu? no chance in hell.
[10:44] <kuil_> ah.. haven't tried that
[10:44] <kuil_> I am running on an old laptop
[10:45] <sig_wal1> opera may use 32-bit plugins using 32-bit operapluginwrapper :)
[10:45] <kuil_> opera is the only browser in which I cannot play flash movies (or any flash stuff)
[10:45] <kuil_> :(
[10:46] <sig_wal1> flash9/10 seems to work in opera 9.5 beta2
[10:48] <ct529> Hi there
[10:48] <ct529> I need to recompile a package using a source from the repository. Could you please point me out to some documentation?
[10:48] <thebosch> meschien een dome vraag hoe krij ik een rpm bestand open ??
[10:49] <Odd-rationale> ct529: if it is in the repos, you do not need to compile.
[10:50] <Odd-rationale> ct529: you can try "sudo apt-get reinstall <packagename>"
[10:50] <thebosch> thx
[10:50] <ct529> Odd-rationale: yes, they did a very silly thing, they upgraded the kernel, but *NOT* the virtualbox-ose kernel module package, so I need to recompile or the virtual machine(s) do not work anymore
[10:50] <Odd-rationale> ct529: If it is not in the repos, then
[10:50] <Odd-rationale> !compile | ct529
[10:53] <jussi01> !nl | thebosch
[10:53] <ct529> Odd-rationale: the source is in the source repository, as virtualbox-ose-source, I need instructions to build and install using deb commands
[10:53] <jussi01> !rpm | thebosch
[10:54] <Odd-rationale> ct529: so you have a .deb but just need to install it?
[10:54] <Odd-rationale> ct529: sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[10:55] <PeanutHorst> how do i get skype on amd64 kubuntu?
[10:55] <Odd-rationale> ct529: or rather, sudo dpkg -i <pathtopackage>
[10:55] <Odd-rationale> PeanutHorst: try adding the medibuntu repos
[10:55] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu | pea
[10:55] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu | PeanutHorst
[10:59] <PeanutHorst> Odd-rationale: will skype run as 64-bit?!
[10:59] <Odd-rationale> PeanutHorst: i think the medibuntu repos have a 64 bit version, not sure though....
[11:13] <ct529> Odd-rationale: no, I do not have a deb. I have a source package off the source package repositories.
[11:13] <ct529> Odd-rationale: it needs to be bult using some dpkg --build something or another, I do not remember anymore
[11:22] <CactusWiZaRd> hello
[11:22] <CactusWiZaRd> i installed Kubuntu few hours ago, and now i countered an problem
[11:23] <joebros__> CactusWiZaRd: what is it?
[11:24] <CactusWiZaRd> i have Seagate FreeAgent 500gb usb-hard drive, and kubuntu says it's empty, although there's stuff like movies, music etc.
[11:24] <CactusWiZaRd> where's the problem?
[11:25] <joebros__> What's the filesystem of the hard drive?
[11:25] <CactusWiZaRd> N
[11:25] <CactusWiZaRd> NTFS
[11:25] <CactusWiZaRd> in gnome it worked well, although i couldn't save anything there
[11:26] <joebros__> you may have to load the ntfs module in kubuntu
[11:26] <joebros__> true
[11:26] <joebros__> that's because ubuntu doesn't let you write on ntfs filessystem
[11:26] <joebros__> you need to install a third party package
[11:26] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[11:26] <joebros__> thanks Jucato
[11:26] <Jucato> hm.. forgot which one Ubuntu/Kubuntu comes with by default
[11:27] <joebros__> !ubuntu
[11:27] <Jucato> (I think Ubuntu has it installed and enabled by default, while Kubuntu only has it installed, but not enabled.. not sure for Hardy)
[11:27] <CactusWiZaRd> i had problems installing that when i used ubuntu, but then i decided to turn back on windows..
[11:29] <leo> where can I download the usplash script for so files?
[11:29] <CactusWiZaRd> !ntfs
[11:31] <Oceania23> I'm a new Linux-Kubuntu user- when I ran apt-get install firefox, it installed the 3.0b5 version. Is this unusual? I thought everything defaulted to stable
[11:31] <joebros__> Oceania23: the behavior is normal
[11:32] <joebros__> besides firefox 3 beta 5 is stable even though it is still beta
[11:32] <Oceania23> I am sure it's stable enough for use, I was just surprised to see a beta come down
[11:36] <leo> how can i change my ubuntu ultimate into kde
[11:38] <DexterF> hi
[11:39] <DexterF> so ubuntu is debian based - can one tell *which* debian? like, is latest 8.04/hardy based on debian/testing..?
[11:41] <markus__> hallo
[11:42] <digitaloktay> hallo
[11:42] <markus__> ich hätte da eine Frage zu den System-Diensten...ich benutze 8.04
[11:44] <markus__> es werden ja einige Dienste beim booten gestartet. so zb bei mir auch der acpid
[11:44] <markus__> Aber unter Status steht da bei mir, das der Dienst nicht läuft
[11:44] <markus__> warum?
[11:45] <leo> is there a version of ubuntu ultimate in KDE 4
[11:46] <markus__> what is the language in this channel?
[11:46] <markus__> german or english?
[11:46] <joebros_> i speak english
[11:46] <joebros_> ;)
[11:46] <ct529> I cannot find the package with the files include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf
[11:47] <ct529> anyone with a clue?
[11:47] <joebros_> ct529: nope
[11:49] <markus__> at bootup some systemservices gets startet. e.g acpid...but if i look for the status of that service kubuntu tells me that this sevice is not running...why?
[11:49] <joebros_> markus__: maybe the service had a problem and then crashed
[11:50] <markus__> but there ar so many services getting startet and then they are not running
[11:51] <joebros_> markus__: maybe these services depend on each other
[11:51] <markus__> hehe acpid depends on alsa-utils ???
[11:52] <joebros_> :)
[11:52] <markus__> :)
[11:55] <joebros_> markus__: can u send the report that you get after calling "dmesg" on the console
[11:55] <markus__> ok one moment
[11:55] <joebros_> markus__: try "dmesg > log.txt"
[11:57] <markus__> how can i send you the txt-file?
[11:58] <joebros_> markus__: are you receiving my private messages?
[11:59] <markus__> if this means that there is some kind of a private chat-window...then no
[12:00] <joebros_> markus__: then upload it on rapidshare and put the link here
[12:00] <joebros_> markus__: rapidshare.de
[12:01] <markus__> direct file sharing within irc doesent work?
[12:01] <joebros_> markus__: it should work, why?
[12:02] <markus__> so i could send it to you this way
[12:02] <joebros_> markus__: of course
[12:06] <markus__> ok here is my dmesg log   http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/215592/
[12:07] <joebros_> markus__: ok i'm checking it
[12:07] <markus__> thank you
[12:10] <joebros_> markus__: "hub 5-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 8 disabled"
[12:10] <joebros_> markus__: this message is repeated in the whole log
[12:12] <markus__> i know...but after one hour of uptime...sundently it stops to appear in the logfiles....i tryed to solve this, but i did not succeed
[12:12] <markus__> it seams to be a problem with my bluetooth device
[12:13] <joebros_> markus__: ok
[12:13] <joebros_> markus__: weird i couldn't find anything wrong in the log file
[12:14] <joebros_> can anyone help on markus__ case???
[12:14] <silverpower> Anybody here have the legacy nVidia drivers working for them? This nForce1 (integrated GF2) is driving me up the wall... :(
[12:15] <joebros_> markus__: one more question. What kind of processor do you have?
[12:15] <markus__> i think that the "not running" acpid has the sideeffect that my system do not switch of after shutdown
[12:16] <markus__> i got a Pentium M @ 2Ghz
[12:16] <joebros_> markus__: this could be
[12:16] <thisitit> try reseting the cmos
[12:16] <markus__> sure?
[12:17] <markus__> in winXP i got no Problems with acpi
[12:18] <markus__> so i think that bios is ok
[12:18] <joebros_> markus__: which version of ubuntu do you have?
[12:18] <markus__> 8.04
[12:19] <joebros_> markus__: i have no clue :(
[12:19] <markus__> :)
[12:20] <markus__> i try to compare with my other notebook...then i post the result
[12:21] <joebros_> markus__: try using a diff tool when comparing
[12:28] <markus__> have a look on this first please   http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=servicesjpgkg8.png
[12:29] <markus__> there you can see what i mean
[12:29] <joebros_> markus__: i saw the picture, can u please explain in english
[12:30] <markus__> explain what?
[12:30] <joebros_> markus__: what's written, I mean what does "Ja" or "Nein" mean?
[12:31] <markus__> ja = yes    Nein=no  :-)
[12:31] <joebros_> what does lauft nicht mean?
[12:31] <markus__> explain more?
[12:32] <markus__> that means: doesen't run
[12:32] <joebros_> waw
[12:33] <markus__> waw?
[12:33] <joebros_> u have a bunch of services that doesn't run
[12:33] <markus__> yes...that is mysterious :)
[12:34] <joebros_> :)
[12:34] <markus__> but with my other notebook it is the same
[12:34] <joebros_> the same services status?
[12:34] <markus__> yes
[12:34] <joebros_> weird
[12:34] <JackWinter> i have some dvds that are Mac/PC.  on xp no problems to access the disks.  when i try from kubuntu i'm denied access unless i access them as root ?
[12:35] <markus__> ist there a way to check the status of a service within the console
[12:35] <joebros_> markus__: yes there is. Type ps -A
[12:35] <joebros_> !ps
[12:37] <markus__> ok then i got i list of all the services, but i can't see the status
[12:46] <markus__> ok then i got i list of all the services, but i can't see the status
[12:52] <holyguyver_> !apt-fix
[12:56] <Long> any spanish ONO client?
[12:59] <joebros_> markus__: everything you see when executing "ps" is running
[12:59] <joebros_> markus__: what you don't see, means that it is not running
[13:18] <Dr_willis> unless of course you see a Zombie task.. :) then its  sort of not-running-but-it-was.
[13:18] <Dr_willis> I never have found a good doc on explaining that.
[13:37] <eagles0513875> summmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[13:38] <Pici> offffftopiccccc
[13:39] <jdavies> -e/dev/randommmmm
[13:42] <pteague> more updates for ssh again today?
[13:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:45] <eagles0513875> Pici: sry im just happy
[13:46] <eagles0513875> now i can focus on alot of my projects now
[13:49] <ben> Hey guys, I have a question. First day running kubuntu, and usually on the computer (windows os) I run a program called SwiftKit to play an online game called Runescape. I use the IRC chat in there to talk to friends, was wondering how to connect to those same channels?
[13:53] <ScorpKing-Laptop> hi guys. i had some bad RAM in my box and it corrupted a lot of files on my disk. fschk ran and now some files are missing. is there a way to get it back?
[13:53] <Dr_willis> ben if you know the name of the irc server, and channel, about any irc client should work
[14:02] <ScorpKing-Laptop> !ext3
[14:03] <eagles0513875> ScorpKing-Laptop: u can get rw access to a ntfs partition using ntfs-3g as well
[14:03] <eagles0513875> !ntfs-3g | ScorpKing-Laptop
[14:04] <ScorpKing-Laptop> eagles0513875: i want to restore my ext3 filesystem to a previous state
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ScorpKing-Laptop: gotcha wish i could help ya with that
[14:05] <mm_202> Hey guys, quick question.  The Apt updates, where can I find a changelog for them??
[14:05] <mm_202> I know that the packages have a 'changelog' section, but its usually blank..
[14:06] <ScorpKing-Laptop> mm_202: somewhere in /var/log/ i think
[14:06] <eagles0513875> mm_202: if u wanna see the changelog of a pkg u have to dl the source
[14:06] <eagles0513875> mm_202: of a particular pkg that is
[14:07] <mm_202> hrm, well there was an update to xorg, I really dont want to DL the source, just want to see the changelog.  Its not posted anywhere online??
[14:07] <mm_202> ScorpKing-Laptop: I'll look.
[14:07] <jhutchins> ScorpKing-Laptop: Restore from your backup.  That's what backups are for.
[14:08] <ScorpKing-Laptop> jhutchins: only if you make them ;)
[14:08] <jhutchins> mm_202: Check the xorg site.
[14:08] <mm_202> jhutchins: k..
[14:09]  * Dr_willis makes a prediction on what the new FAQ will be for the #ubuntu and #kubuntu channel in just a few days......
[14:09] <Dr_willis> just saw a news artical ---->  Adobe Flash Player 10 For Linux
[14:10] <pag> Dr_willis, happen to have a link to the news?
[14:10] <Dr_willis> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjQ3Nw
[14:10] <pag> thank you
[14:11] <Dr_willis> Does it seemto anyone else that Flash is becoming what 'JAVA' was supposed to become?
[14:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. You can run the beta of 10... OR run  9. :) bet we will see a lot of 'i installed flash 10 beta , now how do i remove it' soon also. :)
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: what u mean
[14:13] <Jucato> I think he means that it's a very good matter for discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[14:13] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  about the java bit? years ago when java was new. it was 'supposed' to allow all this flexibilty and  useabilty and neat things in web browsers.  I recall java video players, and games, and other things.. seems flash has taken over.
[14:13] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:13] <Dr_willis> Getting the Future FAQ ready! :)
[14:13] <eagles0513875> well java is still used for programs they even got a os in the works
[14:13] <eagles0513875> and there is java script for websites
[14:14] <eagles0513875> applets
[14:14] <eagles0513875> the write once run anywhere motto still lives on
[14:14] <crs> Hello. :)
[14:15] <Dr_willis> java script is not 'java' :) seen MANY a fight over that distinction.
[14:15] <Dr_willis> hay crs
[14:15] <crs> I'm new here, 'd like to say hello to all of you :)
[14:15] <mm_202> Welcome to the cult, crs :)
[14:15] <holyguyver_> So when launching firefox if it crashes & terminal says 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' what does that mean?
[14:15] <Dr_willis> crs,  great! dont flirt too much with the bot :)
[14:15] <Dr_willis> !hi | crs
[14:15] <crs> Hmm, what is my root passwd? ;-)
[14:15] <Dr_willis> Faq Top 10! :P
[14:16] <pag> !root | crs
[14:16] <mm_202> lol
[14:16] <crs> ;-)
[14:16] <crs> Funny. ;)
[14:16] <crs> I am gentoo user for about 6 years by now. :)
[14:17] <mm_202> Guys, a serious question.  How hard would it be to update my system from the standard x86 version of Kubuntu 8.04 to the 64bit version?
[14:17] <crs> But i am quite tired of compilations (my computer isint too fast and any compilations take ages. ;()
[14:17]  * mm_202 is still pissed that he can only use 3.18GB of his 4GB...
[14:17] <jhutchins> mm_202: Why?  What do you need to do that needs 64b support?
[14:17] <pag> mm_202, 'update'? pretty damn hard afaik.. reinstall is million times easier.
[14:17] <Dr_willis> mm_202,  even on a 64bit disrto SOME of that ram may not be useable.
[14:18] <mm_202> one sec guys.
[14:18] <holyguyver_> So when launching firefox if it crashes & terminal says 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' what does that mean?
[14:18] <Dr_willis> but perhaps you wont be loseing .82 gb
[14:18] <jhutchins> mm_202: Your system is using the rest of that RAM for reserved tasks.
[14:18] <Dr_willis> holyguyver_,  means its crashing badly.. which is weird.
[14:18] <crs> I have just received newest kubuntu cd :)
[14:18] <crs> Thanks Canonical. ;-)
[14:19] <mm_202> On my 32bit build of Kubuntu:  (with 4GB of RAM)
[14:19] <mm_202> sergei@mm:/data/home/sergei$ cat /proc/meminfo
[14:19] <mm_202> MemTotal:      3368912 kB
[14:19] <mm_202> MemFree:       2598732 kB
[14:19] <holyguyver_> Dr_Willis well it says that every single time I try to start firefox
[14:19] <mm_202> On my 64bit build:
[14:19] <mm_202> sergei@terra:~$ cat /proc/meminfo
[14:19] <mm_202> MemTotal:      4059264 kB
[14:19] <mm_202> MemFree:       1966872 kB
[14:19] <jhutchins> holyguyver_: You are running an unstable beta test version of firefox and it has created a file containing an image of your RAM at the time of the crash.  This file will be named core<something> in the current working directory.
[14:19] <mm_202> ~640MB of RAM..
[14:20] <pag> mm_202, 'free -m' gives better info (but don't paste it here - use pastebin if you must)
[14:20] <holyguyver_> jhutchins no I am running firefox 2.0
[14:20] <Dr_willis> holyguyver_,  thats not suprising. You could try as a test. either try it under a new/different user, or move your .mozilla dir somewhere, so you have no old firefox settings. and see if it works.
[14:20] <DaemonLee> Problem.
[14:20] <Dr_willis> holyguyver_,  if it dosent crash then.  It would point to a extension crashing.
[14:20] <DaemonLee> I cannot get my Synaptic Touchpad to work, and I've followed the instructions to a T.
[14:20] <Dr_willis> Other then that. Not sure what to even check/debug for firefox.
[14:20] <holyguyver_> Dr_Willis no I am running firefox 2.0
[14:20] <eagles0513875> DaemonLee: this has it and it works out of the box for me
[14:20] <jhutchins> holyguyver_: Heh.  Well, it still applies.  firefox is always a work in progress, but Dr_willis is right, it's probably an extension.
[14:20] <eagles0513875> DaemonLee: did u do an upgrade from gutsy to hard or is this a clean install
[14:21] <holyguyver_> But look
[14:21] <Dr_willis> and the version wouldent matter. :)
[14:21] <DaemonLee> Clean install.
[14:21] <DaemonLee> 8.04 Kubuntu.
[14:21] <eagles0513875> interesting
[14:21] <eagles0513875> u doing kde4 remix
[14:21] <DaemonLee> I don't believe so...
[14:21] <DaemonLee> No. I'm not.
[14:21] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:21] <eagles0513875> interesting what kinda machine u on
[14:21] <mm_202> pag: heh, yeah, free -m is much better.  And I know better than to paste large amounts, but didnt think 3 lines would hurt.
[14:22] <eagles0513875> 3 lines doesnt anything more does
[14:22] <holyguyver_> Dr_Willis & jhutchins but look what I did before I came in here jack@jack-desktop:~$ firefox -profilemanager (next line) Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:23] <DaemonLee> Eagle, a DV6353US HP laptop, 2.0ghz Turion x2, 2gb of RAM, and misc from there.
[14:23] <mm_202> jhutchins: are you trying to say that besides the little bit of RAM, that the benefits of running the 64bit version is close to zero?
[14:23] <Dr_willis> holyguyver_,  that would imply either currupted binary, or libs, or memory.   Try making a new user and see I guess, Other then that. no idea.
[14:24] <pag> mm_202, for average user I'd say there are more cons than pros when it coms to running 64bit
[14:24]  * mm_202 isnt average ;)
[14:24] <holyguyver_> Dr_Willis I can't make a new user because when I ask it to open the firefox profile manager it crashes.
[14:24] <mm_202> Okay, could you give me the 'cons'?
[14:24] <mm_202> Or point me to a url..
[14:25] <pag> mm_202, usally there are problems with closed source apps, but if you don't use them, then there shouldn't be much problems.. (at least what I have noticed.)
[14:26] <mm_202> I think that Flash and Java are the only closed source apps I use.  (and I know that java works fine on 64b)
[14:27] <Pennycook> mm_202: As a 64 bit user, there are quite a few problems with both Flash /and/ Java from my experience.  I'm only still on 64 bit at the moment 'caus I don't fancy a reinstall.
[14:28] <mm_202> ah
[14:28] <DaemonLee> Problem: Synaptic Touchpad does not work, is appearing in Xorg.conf file, qsynaptics and shmconfig state that they either do not have access, or there is no driver installed for touchpad.
[14:28] <Pennycook> mm_202: There's no 64 bit package for Java Web Start afaik, some embedded Java apps don't work and Flash videos occasionally just don't work for no reason.
[14:29] <mm_202> Well Im running Ubuntu 8.04 64bit on a server, so no X.  And its been perfect.  I run Openfire (which is Java-based) as my jabber server and zero problems.
[14:29] <mm_202> hmm
[14:29]  * mm_202 might wait then..
[14:30] <crs> Ok, I want to install nvidia dirvers. Im trying to run hardware drivers manager, but it is asking me for root password, what should i do?
[14:31] <Pennycook> mm_202: Ah, if it's a server I imagine it's okay.  Java works absolutely fine by itself, it's the plugins for browsers and such that are shaky.
[14:31] <DaemonLee> crs, type in your password.
[14:31] <crs> DaemonLee: Mine, ok, thanks :)
[14:33] <crs> brb
[14:35] <josh_> if I have amarok running and I try to play a video in mplayer it says unable to initialize audio unless I run mplayer from terminal window. any idea how I can fix this?
[14:35] <jhutchins> mm_202: The fact that you don't know what your system is using that ram for - and it -is- using it - indicates that you're probably not using the system at a level that would benefit in anyway from running 64b.  If you were, you'd know.  It's a little more complex and difficult to get everything working on 64b, and there just aren't anybenefits to most users.
[14:36] <Dr_willis> crs,  its tecnhicially asking for the 'sudoers' password.
[14:36] <jhutchins> !root | crs
[14:37] <Steve-cal> When I create a desktop shortcut to run a bash script, I've noticed that my taskbar shows the bash script running continuously for about 20-30 seconds (along with the "bouncing icon" near my mouse pointer), even though the script executes virtually immediately (which I confirm by running it in a terminal). This goes for every script (no matter how simple/trivial) that I run from a shortcut....
[14:37] <Steve-cal> ...What's going on here?
[14:38] <eagles0513875> Steve-cal: whats the purpose of ur script
[14:38] <josh_> nm just figured it out. set amarok to alsa now all is good
[14:38] <jhutchins> Steve-cal: The bash script doesn't truely interact with the desktop, doesn't give it feedback that it's done.
[14:38] <jhutchins> joschan: Make sure that both Amarok and mplayer are using alsa shared audio.
[14:38] <Jucato> Steve-cal: it's the setting for Launch Feedback (bouncing icon and taskbar notification). you can turn it off for your desktop shortcut to the script (depending on how you made it)
[14:39] <Steve-cal> jhutchins: How can my bash script tell the desktop it is done? I can end my script with "exit 0" and it doesn't help.
[14:40] <jhutchins> Steve-cal: I believe you need to use dcop to communicate with the system, and it would probably be much more complex than the script is now.
[14:40] <Jucato> Steve-cal: how did you create the shortcut?
[14:40] <Steve-cal> Jucato: Instead of turning it off entirely, I would prefer if my script could somehow let the desktop know when it is done. Any way to do that?
[14:41] <Jucato> ah. that I don't know..
[14:42] <Steve-cal> Jucato: For instance, right-clicking desktop, "Create new...", "link to application..."
[14:42] <Jucato> Steve-cal: yeah.. but the way I was going to propose was to turn it off for that script. I'm not sure if there's a way to signal knotify to stop the notification
[14:42] <Jucato> what you can probably do is to shorten the notification length
[14:43] <Jucato> run "kcontrol" and go to Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[14:43] <Steve-cal> Jucato, jhutchins: I've never seen this happen in Gnome though--I don't have the problem there. Is this KDE specific?
[14:43] <Jucato> Gnome doesn't have the same notification system as KDE...
[14:44] <CLEARviewF> hi, do anybody know why can i not see my Genre icon on mi Collection in Amarok over Ubuntu Gnome? i installed kdebase-data but, after that i just can see Artist and Album icon but still not the Genre icon.
[14:46] <Steve-cal> Jucato: I'm using KDE 3.5, which I installed over my Ubuntu install (also installed KDE-desktop), and I don't have anything under kcontrol other than "network". I've always used "systemsettings" for most things. Do you happen to know how I can get everything to display in kcontrol?
[14:46] <Jucato> how did you install KDE?
[14:47] <Jucato> or you can try running "kcmshell kcmlaunch" directly
[14:47] <kalorin> so is anyone using 8.04 with the KDE 4 stuff?
[14:47] <Jucato> kalorin: those people in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:47]  * kalorin goes there
[14:47] <kalorin> thanks
[14:49] <Steve-cal> Jucato: It's been a few months ago, so I don't remember exactly, but if some things are missing in kcontrol, how can I add them to kcontrol? Did I miss installing a necessary package maybe?
[14:50] <Jucato> perahps. but if systemsettings is populated with entries, then kcontrol should be working as well. but I can't really be sure since I don't know how you installed KDE
[14:51] <CLEARviewF> hi, do anybody know why can i not see my Genre icon on mi Collection in Amarok over Ubuntu Gnome? i installed kdebase-data but, after that i just can see Artist and Album icon but still not the Genre icon.
[14:51] <Steve-cal> Jucato: I think I just followed some online guide that told me all the KDE packages to install in Synaptic. That's all I did.
[14:52] <emilsedgh> CLEARviewF: Genre icon? i've never seen such thing
[14:52] <advanced> hi
[14:52] <Steve-cal> Jucato: That's why I think I could be missing some necessary package...
[14:52] <advanced> i need help again :-D
[14:52] <advanced> Where i can get full theme for Kubuntu Hardy Heron ?
[14:52] <crs> kubuntu seems to be easy :)
[14:53] <crs> I think I'll stick to it for a while. ;-)
[14:53] <advanced> I want to change full system screen
[14:53] <advanced> please explain
[14:54] <shane___> Odd-rationale: r u on
[14:54] <eagles0513875> what c++ ide's r out there
[14:55] <crs> How can I easly install compiz-fuzion?
[14:55] <Jucato> eagles0513875: KDevelop, code::blocks, Eclipse (plugin?), Anjuta (spelling?), emacs & vim (hehehe)
[14:55] <shane___> where can i get a game pack like the ones available on ubuntu
[14:55] <Jucato> and kate (semi-IDE)
[14:55] <Steve-cal> Jucato: any ideas? :)
[14:55] <Jucato> shane___: what game pack?
[14:56] <eagles0513875> Jucato: i have eclips but its just java
[14:56] <Jack111> hi i have a problem since the hardy upgrade the firefox 3.5 freezes&terribly slow, but couldnt find any fix..any idea?
[14:56] <emilsedgh> kdegames!
[14:56] <advanced> !compiz
[14:56] <emilsedgh> !info kdegames
[14:56] <Jucato> eagles0513875: it has a plugin for C++ support I believe
[14:56] <poison> !ntfs
[14:56] <Jucato> Steve-cal: only a vague one, but first, does "kcmshell kcmlaunch" work?
[14:56] <shane___> add remove app on ubuntu has many games on kubuntu there is none i have just installed kubuntu and my daughter wants her games back lol
[14:56] <eagles0513875> Jucato: i know if u dont load the biggest version of netbeans it does c++ besides java
[14:56] <Coder2> Hello
[14:56] <crs> advanced: thanks :)
[14:56] <eagles0513875> they also releasing a php version of netbeans
[14:56] <emilsedgh> shane___: install kdegames package
[14:57] <Steve-cal> Jucato: Yes, it does pull up the module successfully.
[14:57] <shane___> ok TY
[14:57] <advanced> sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion
[14:57] <Jucato> Steve-cal: oh ok. so the modules are all there, but kcontrol isnt' showing anything except network?
[14:57] <Steve-cal> Jucato: exactly.
[14:57] <Jucato> Steve-cal: ah clueless there. sorry
[14:57] <crs> Where can I find more repos?
[14:57] <Coder2> Does anyone deal with TomCat? I've installed it, it works, but there are no logs at all. Any ideas?
[14:58] <Steve-cal> Jucato: No problem... I'll check in the forums and see if I can come up with something. BTW, how do I access "kcontrol" from my K menu? What's it called and under which menu is it?
[14:59] <emilsedgh> Steve-cal: sorry, have you tried Settings:/ from konqueror?
[14:59] <Jucato> Steve-cal: it's not in the kmenu in Kubuntu unless you manually add it (right-click on the K Menu icon and select Edit menu)
[14:59] <shane___> emilsedgh: in the add remove app or where do i find it add remove doesnt comeup withany games
[14:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: what php ide
[14:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: what php ide's r out there if any
[15:00]  * Jucato would not recommend using kioslaves that are gone in KDE 4...
[15:00] <emilsedgh> shane___: use the Adept manager please.
[15:00] <Jucato> eagles0513875: I don't know.. sorry
[15:00] <shane___> ok
[15:00]  * Jucato doesn't do PHP
[15:00] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: Quanta+
[15:00] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: ty
[15:00] <Steve-cal> Jucato: No? I have to add kcontrol manually to my K menu? I used another distro with KDE 3.5 and it was in the menu somewhere I remember.
[15:00] <eagles0513875> trying to get stuff i need to help me get my to do list of what i wanna teach myself started
[15:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: if you meant the Settings:/, its not gone
[15:01] <crs> easy and fast way to install kde4? ;-)
[15:01] <Jucato> emilsedgh: in KDE 4?
[15:01] <emilsedgh> yeah Jucato
[15:01] <Jucato> !kde4 | crs
[15:02] <Jucato> emilsedgh: really? doesn't work here (trunk)
[15:02] <crs> Jucato: What about svn?
[15:02] <emilsedgh> Jucato: but its so broken!
[15:02] <Jucato> crs: you will have to compile
[15:02] <crs> Jucato: no snapshots?
[15:02] <emilsedgh> Jucato: im on trunk too.it comes up, but with broken icons and just categories, inside them is empty
[15:02] <Jucato> crs: not at this moment
[15:03] <Jucato> emilsedgh: only applications:/ work here. no settings:/
[15:03] <crs> Jucato: ok, thanks :)
[15:03] <emilsedgh> Jucato: do you want a shot if you are curious to see how it looks? :D
[15:03] <Jucato> emilsedgh: although it doesn't say unknown protocol, unlike media:/
[15:03] <Jucato> no thanks.
[15:06] <crs> hmm what next... ;-)
[15:07] <CLEARviewF> hi, does anybody know why i can not see my Genre icons in my Amarok Collection in ubuntu gnome?
[15:08] <CLEARviewF> nobody knows about that?
[15:10] <xt828_> CLEARviewF: try #ubuntu
[15:10] <CLEARviewF> nobody answer me there :( xt828_
[15:10] <xt828_> CLEARviewF: or #amarok
[15:11] <eagles0513875> xt828_: just in there its dead
[15:11] <CLEARviewF> i did on #amarok, but they told me to install kdebase-data
[15:11] <xt828_> so did you?
[15:12] <CLEARviewF> xt828_: when i did that, i have only the Artist and Album icons, but not the genre icon, and it is the main icon on my collection
[15:12] <crs> Why compiz fusion works faster on kubutnu than on my gentoo? ;-)
[15:12] <crs> Why everything seems to work faster?
[15:12] <xt828_> what did they say in response to that?
[15:13] <CLEARviewF> i will ask that xt828_ :D
[15:15] <lovre> is there anyone from Germany here? I need some help?
[15:16] <crs> how can i search for packages ready to install?
[15:16] <crs> available to install?
[15:16] <crs> like: <search command> fusion
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> apt-cache search fusion
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> or use adept
[15:21] <myk_robinson> !apcupsd
[15:28] <moamahi> hi all I've installed kubuntu 8.04 in beta version, now I've updated all. My kde is 3.5.9 but I'd like to switch to 4.0. Could someone tell me how? thank you
[15:29] <crs> Hmm, that is weird. Can anyone explain me why fusion compiz is working far slower why is started by fusion-icon?
[15:34] <blackwaltz__> moamahi: First of all, if you've installed a beta version of it, I'd recommend upgrading as soon as you can. Second, install the "kubuntu-kde4-desktop" package to install kde4. The binaries will be in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/ ... and it will co-exist with KDE3 :)
[15:34] <Jucato> !kde4 | moamahi
[15:34] <Jucato> moamahi: and you don't actually "switch" to kde4. kde4 will be installed side by side with kde3 (for now)
[15:34] <blackwaltz__> moamahi: oh, and one more thing. Config will be located at ~/.kde4 for kde4 apps.
[15:35] <moamahi> thank you all Now i set it up
[15:39] <crs> I must say, it works. :)
[15:41] <danny_> does anyone know if is possible to run camfrog on linux?
[15:41] <finn_> hh
[15:41] <finn_> hhh
[15:41] <finn_> hello
[15:44] <tzanger> good morning
[15:44] <tzanger> I've got a quick (I hope) apt question
[15:45] <crs> afternoon here. ;-)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[15:45] <tzanger> whenever I use apt-get to installs omething, I get a big long list of packages it wants to remove (packages were automatically installed and no longer required) -- except that the packages look rather important
[15:45] <tzanger> do I apt-get autoremove and hope for the best, or is there something i can do to tell apt that it's wrong?
[15:46] <tzanger> I mean python-crypto, python-twisted-*... I'm pretty sure I have apps that rely on it
[15:54] <rysiek> guys I need a fast one here
[15:54] <rysiek> opera (32bit :/) on a 64bit hardy
[15:55] <rysiek> what do I need
[16:00] <xsacha> rysiek: get opera 64-bit on 64-bit hardy ( i use this)
[16:00] <xsacha> flash works fine on it
[16:01] <rysiek> xsacha: erm, how
[16:01] <xsacha> just download the .deb from opera site (ill get you a link)
[16:01] <rysiek> xsacha: I can't find such a download on opera.com
[16:01] <xsacha> rysiek: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/snapshot-1962/x86_64-linux/
[16:02] <xsacha> download the .deb file rysiek
[16:02] <jeroen-> i used standbye, but how to come back?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> xsacha, you got 64bit Opera working on flash sites ..how did you manage that ?
[16:02] <arvind_khadri> hi , am not able to view the other person's cam in kopete,the other person is using windows..Kopete just crashes as i accept the request to view it
[16:02] <rysiek> xsacha: oh, great, thanks
[16:02] <xsacha> BluesKaj: i used nspluginwrapper on the 32-bit flash plugin
[16:03] <xsacha> rysiek: then once you have downloaded, it's just:     dpkg -i filename
[16:03] <xsacha> it unpacks and wahlah
[16:03] <guille> problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer
[16:04] <xsacha> BluesKaj: you are probably using opera 9.27 where flash has problems. all 9.5 versions, 64-bit flash works perfectly
[16:04] <xsacha> that is 32-bit flash on 64-bit browser
[16:04] <rysiek> xsacha: yeah, I know my ways with dpkg, I am using Linux for a few years ;)
[16:04] <xsacha> ok :)
[16:04] <BluesKaj> xsacha, did you install the nspluginwrapper globally or *.so in the Opera plugins file ?
[16:04] <rysiek> xsacha: I just needed the download link
[16:04] <Steve-cal> In a normal Kubuntu install, where does one access "kcontrol" (KDE Control Center) from the K menu?
[16:04] <rysiek> xsacha: thanks a lot, much appreciated
[16:04] <rysiek> Steve-cal: K->System Settings
[16:05] <xsacha> BluesKaj: umm installed nspluginwrapper, then downloaded flash plugin from adobe website (i could have just installed flash-nonfree), then i ran nswrapper on libflashplugin. then i copied it to opera directory
[16:05] <xsacha> a lot of unneccessary steps though
[16:05] <guille> after loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen
[16:05] <xsacha> opera plugin directory..
[16:05] <Steve-cal> sysiek: Kmenu > System Settings is for the program "systemsettings", not "kcontrol"....
[16:06] <guille> Problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer. After loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen. I cannot reinstall
[16:06] <xsacha> rysiek: no problems,.. this new 9.5 version is really fast :) made me switch from firefox to opera :D
[16:07] <rysiek> Steve-cal: ah, well, AFAIK the (old-style) kcontrol isn't installed by default
[16:07] <rysiek> Steve-cal: sudo aptitude install kcontrol
[16:07] <_r1_> hi
[16:08] <_r1_> which version of kubuntu will be the LTS one ?
[16:08] <hydrogen> yea opera9.5 is very impressive
[16:08] <hydrogen> _r1_ not sure if thats known yet
[16:08] <rysiek> Steve-cal: plus, I can't seem to locate a K-Menu item for it AFTER the installation, so you might want to create one yourself (dunno why they didn't put it in the package)
[16:08] <rysiek> Steve-cal: or you can just alt-f2 run kcontrol
[16:09] <_r1_> hydrogen: not a discussion about next one ?
[16:09] <Steve-cal> rysiek: I have kcontrol installed, thanks, I was just surprised why it doesn't seem to be in my K menus anywhere. Is this the same for everyone else here?
[16:09] <_r1_> cause it will be difficult to maintain ubuntu AND kubuntu as LTS if it's different versions
[16:10] <hydrogen> yes
[16:10] <hydrogen> which may mean that it waaits three years for another LTS
[16:10] <hydrogen> not sure
[16:10] <xsacha> Steve-cal: yeah when they replaced it with systemsettings, they removed it from menu too
[16:10] <rysiek> they should have left the *.theme file in the package though
[16:10] <xsacha> _r1_: well 8.04 is definitely not LTS
[16:10] <guille> Problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer. After loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen. I cannot reinstall
[16:10] <rysiek> so that when the package gets installed by hand one gets a menu entry for it
[16:11]  * rysiek brb
[16:11] <Steve-cal> xsacha: I don't get it then--systemsettings doesn't seem to have everything that kcontrol does... why wouldn't we need both?
[16:11] <_r1_> xsacha: I know that. And it's not my question :)
[16:11] <xsacha> _r1_: i think they are just skipping this LTS
[16:12] <xsacha> theyll still be in sync
[16:12] <_r1_> mmm I have listen that it will be another version as LTS
[16:12] <xsacha> Steve-cal: yeah, it should have everything but it doesnt. they decided to replace kcontrol though
[16:12] <Odd-rationale> shane__: hey there, im on for a bit...
[16:13] <Steve-cal> xsacha: So you're saying they don't want us to be able to configure some of the things kcontrol lets us configure? :)
[16:14] <xsacha> they just havent put it in to systemsettings yet. i guess a lack of developers on it
[16:14] <xsacha> it was a kubuntu creation though wasnt it
[16:14] <crs> where can i find some more repos?
[16:15] <xsacha> crs: have you enabled universe and the rest in manage repositories? what package are you looking for in particular?
[16:16] <Steve-cal> xsacha, rysiek: Well anyway, thanks for the help... Ciao...
[16:16] <phoenixz> I have a process running called "b43".. it takes quite some recourses, but I have no clue what it is.. Anybody knows it?
[16:17] <guille> Problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer. After loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen. I cannot reinstall
[16:17] <crs> xsacha: Nothing in particular now... Where can I enable universe? ;-)
[16:17] <xsacha> adept_manager->manage repositories
[16:20] <crs> xsacha: di uncomment it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:20] <xsacha> crs: just use the frontend: adept_manager
[16:20] <shane__> Odd-rationale: how can i connect the 2 machines together remote desktop style i want to transfer all pics and files onto the one we fixed last night and put kubuntu on it also
[16:20] <xsacha> much safer, but if you are ok with it, yes, its in /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:20] <Odd-rationale> shane__: set up an ssh and use the fish:/ protocol
[16:21] <crs> xsacha: Im quite literate with linux, just never used ubuntu before. ;-)
[16:21] <xsacha> oh ok
[16:21] <xsacha> yeah uncomment any commented repositories in there
[16:21] <crs> Have spent about 6 years with gentoo. :>
[16:22] <xsacha> crs: the GUI does give some better options though, like choosing the country for your repository server
[16:22] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok how do i set ssh and what is fish protocol newby remember
[16:22] <crs> Oh i see. How can i change default system wide language? ;-)
[16:23] <Odd-rationale> shane__: ok. lets define some terms. the server will be the computer with the files on it. the client will be the computer on which you want to put the files on. ok?
[16:23] <crs> I have changed my pripary language, but i'd like to go with english now :)
[16:23] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok
[16:23] <Odd-rationale> shane__: so on the server, install the openssh-server "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[16:25] <Odd-rationale> shane__: got that?
[16:25] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok i got that ill do that now
[16:26] <shane__> Odd-rationale: brb
[16:26] <cq> is kde4 recommendable already, or stay with the kde3 from 8.04? I wouldn't mind features and eyecandy, but above all I want stability and usability
[16:27] <Odd-rationale> cq: if you want stability and usability, use kde3
[16:27] <Odd-rationale> cq: kde4 is quite stable. it is simply missing in many respects...
[16:27] <crs> cq: wait for kde 4.1
[16:27] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok that is done got fresh shane@ line
[16:28] <cq> when is 4.1 due?
[16:28] <crs> cpk1: July
[16:28] <Odd-rationale> shane__: ok. now in the client, open konqueror (our favorite kde all in ont tool ;)
[16:28] <cq> no problem... i read that 4.0 was supposed to get out and 4.1 to complete it essentially... thanks
[16:28] <deever> anyone here with 8.04-kde4 on virtualbox and a screen resolution >800x600 ?
[16:29] <crs> cq: yes, more or less it looks like that. Just wait for 4.1 which should be ready for desktops.
[16:29] <Odd-rationale> kde 4.0 was kind of just like a release for all the application developers to port/test their apps over to kde4.... that the way i look at it...
[16:29] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok
[16:29] <Odd-rationale> shane__: to make things easier, go to Window --> split left/right
[16:30] <crs> What is the easiest way to update kernel in ubuntu? Do i have to compile it by myself or just install newer version from package?
[16:31] <Odd-rationale> shane__: then in the address bar, type in fish://<your_user_name_on_the_server>@<server_ip_address>
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> shane__: do the above in the client...
[16:32] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok where can i find ip on server
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> shane__: on the server, do ifconfig
[16:32] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok brb
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> shane__: you should find a inet address in your ethernet entry (not lo)
[16:34] <xsacha> probably want the network ip so you dont have to forward ports on router...   192.168.x.xxx?
[16:35] <shane__> Odd-rationale: oh beautifull that was so easy
[16:35] <shane__> Odd-rationale: TY once again
[16:35] <Odd-rationale> shane__: yup, just drag and drop between the two panes...
[16:36] <guille> Problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer. After loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen. I cannot reinstall
[16:36] <crs> guille: that X is a cursor a suppose...
[16:36] <Odd-rationale> shane__: you'll soon love konqueror's split windows...
[16:36] <crs> I
[16:36] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok TY and ill talk at yah next time uv made changing over a breeze and i apreciat it lots
[16:37] <Odd-rationale> shane__: sure. feel free to drop me a line in my channel. you know the channel...
[16:38] <shane__> Odd-rationale: yah but i need a link thing everytime i try the side panel to acces and it gives me a spam message
[16:38] <xsacha> shane__: you can Save View Profile.. then when you want to do that same thing in konqueror, you Load View Profile and its straight back
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> shane__: hmm. try typing in konversation "/join #Odd-rationale"
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> shane__: don't click. try typing....
[16:40] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok i got yah in my conect tab now ty
[16:42] <grendal_prime> am i the only person haveing a hard time with the nvidia perpriatory drivers?
[16:42] <cq> hm, can you run an existing windows installation in vbox, or does it need a new isntallation? I only have OEM Images...
[16:42] <guille> crs: but installation doesn't continue.
[16:42] <xsacha> grendal_prime: they are proprietary, so probably everyone is having trouble with them :)
[16:43] <xsacha> problems when you change kernel and so on
[16:44] <yb5> hey guys
[16:45] <yb5> i have a question
[16:46] <yb5> i want to edit my "DVD autoplay menu" and add an entry for "Play DVD with VLC Player"
[16:46] <yb5> can someone hook me up with the parameter for vlc??
[16:48] <grendal_prime> well, ok what kernel works with nvida drivers then..or is there an opensource one...
[16:49] <xsacha> you dont really have a choice with nvidia, that one you have is the best. just tell us what your problem is :)
[16:50] <yb5> nobody any idea?
[16:50] <xsacha> yb5: didnt quite get what you wanted
[16:51] <xsacha> an entry when you stick the dvd in dvd drive?
[16:51] <grendal_prime> when the perpriatory driver gets installed  i reboot the machine and i get a constantly changing white gray screen with a black/gray line done the middle/right side of the screen
[16:51] <yb5> xsacha: i want to edit my DVD autoplay menu and add an entry for "Play DVD with VLC"
[16:51] <yb5> but i dont know the parameter for vlc
[16:52] <xsacha> yb5: you mean like... vlc dvd://dev/dvd ?
[16:53] <yb5> yes something like that
[16:53] <ubuntu_> salut le peuple
[16:53] <yb5> i will try that
[16:53] <xsacha> yb5: in VLC, you can define your 'default' dvd device.. if you have done so, it is simply:   vlc dvd://
[16:55] <yb5> there is an error promt saying /media/NAME_OF_THE_DVD is a folder. file expected
[16:55] <xsacha> yb5: with dvd://dev/dvd ?
[16:55] <yb5> yes
[16:55] <xsacha> what about just dvd:// ?
[16:56] <yb5> try it
[16:56] <guille> Problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer. After loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen. I cannot reinstall
[16:56] <deever> anyone here with 8.04-kde4 on virtualbox and a screen resolution >800x600 ?
[16:57] <xsacha> yb5: both work here but maybe because i have the default dvd device set in VLC. you could try doing that
[16:57] <yb5> xsacha: same error
[17:00] <yb5> xsacha: where is the default dvd device setting in vlc?
[17:00] <xsacha> File->Open Disc...         Disk Device: /dev/dvd
[17:01] <yb5> wait i'll try something else
[17:01] <yb5> i found /dev/scd0
[17:01] <grendal_prime> xsacha: so...any advice on a way around that?
[17:02] <xsacha> grendal_prime: dont know, i down own any nvidia cards sorry.. was hoping someone else would help you
[17:02] <Jabop> Possibly stupid question: is there a config I could get to enable syntax highlighting in bash.
[17:03] <xsacha> bash.. or vim Jabop?
[17:03] <Jabop> vim
[17:03] <yb5> grendal_prime: your problem
[17:03] <ziperon> народ как настроить hotkey на кбунту?
[17:03] <xsacha> Jabop: yeah i believe there are
[17:03] <yb5> grendal_prime: whats your problem?
[17:04] <Jabop> xsacha: Excuse my lack of knowledge, I just moved to Kubuntu :P
[17:04] <xsacha> Jabop: have you tried ... :syntax on?
[17:04] <Dr_willis> Im not sure how syntax highighting in bash would work.
[17:04] <xsacha> Dr_willis: me either lol thats why i figured it was vim
[17:04] <Dr_willis>  :)  for vim - you MOST likely want to install the vim-full package.
[17:04] <xsacha> Jabop: what did you move from? surely it had vim too right?
[17:04] <Dr_willis> and enable the syntax thing as default in the vimrc
[17:04] <Jabop> xsacha: fc8
[17:04] <Dr_willis> i do think that the 'fish' shell had some sort of syntax highliging.
[17:05] <ziperon> peopls pleas help my don't vork hot keys in kubuntu
[17:05] <xsacha> Dr_willis: there's a fish shell? what are the advantages over plain ssh?
[17:07] <Dr_willis> the fish shell.. ghas nothing to do with the fish:// thing of kde. or ssh at all
[17:07] <Dr_willis> !info fish
[17:07] <Jucato> :)
[17:07] <Jucato> http://fishshell.org
[17:07] <Dr_willis> Its a neat little shell.. but just odd enough - that  it proberly would make  learning bash harder. :)
[17:08] <Jabop> xsacha: I don't see the option in vim's man for syntax on, what did you mean by that?
[17:08] <yb5> xsacha:  vlc dvd:///dev/dvd  works in terminal
[17:08] <Pici> I use nano's syntax hilighting
[17:08] <xsacha> Jabop: as in you type it in.. :syntax on
[17:08] <xsacha> colon is how you do commands.. hang on, what did you use in fedora Jabop?
[17:08] <Dr_willis> yea.. the Opensolaris iso  - just crashed virtualbox. :)
[17:08] <Dr_willis> so much for that os. heh
[17:09] <jhutchins_wk> Jabop: You might find the internal help useful.  :help
[17:09] <Dr_willis> Jabop,  vi fundamentals :set SOMEOPTION on (i think)
[17:09] <Dr_willis> theres so many options.. I just set them in my .vimrc file
[17:09] <Jabop> konsole with vim, it came packaged and I didn't have to configure any syntax options
[17:09] <Jabop> :p
[17:10] <Dr_willis> I was thinking the tiny-vim now in ubuntu may have the feature. used to be you had to install vim-full to get the full range of fancy features
[17:10] <Jabop> I use another text editor gui primarily, but when I am in cli and need to change a few lines, syntax highlighting would be useful
[17:10] <matthew_> hey, people, i need some help with wine
[17:12] <yb5> matthew__: whats up?
[17:12] <yb5> xsacha:  vlc dvd:///dev/dvd  works in terminal
[17:12] <xsacha> yeah thats where i have been using it
[17:12] <yb5> xs but not in autoplay. strange
[17:12] <guille> Help me please...Problem trying kubuntu 8.04 installer. After loading, livecd crashes showing something like a "X" at the middle-screen. I cannot reinstall
[17:12] <xsacha> ohh autoplay
[17:12] <grendal_prime> y5b: when the perpriatory driver gets installed  i reboot the machine and i get a constantly changing white gray screen with a black/gray line done the middle/right side of the screen
[17:13] <xsacha> it must convert it from its /dev address to its /media address
[17:13] <grendal_prime> yb5: when the perpriatory driver gets installed  i reboot the machine and i get a constantly changing white gray screen with a black/gray line done the middle/right side of the screen
[17:14] <yb5> which driver did you install?
[17:14] <yb5> @ matthew__
[17:14] <yb5> xsacha: so what do i have to do?
[17:15] <xsacha> yb5: no idea
[17:15] <yb5> xsacha: great :)
[17:15] <xsacha> :(
[17:15] <grendal_prime> sorry should have mentioned im running kubuntu 8.04 and it is the nvidia perp driver that the aptupdater recommends
[17:15] <grendal_prime> and i cant believe i just typed that.
[17:15] <jonathan_1> hello!
[17:16] <yb5> do you have adjusted you /ect/X11/xorg.conf ??
[17:16] <grendal_prime> no
[17:16] <grendal_prime> well im sure i have the one that doesnt work
[17:16] <yb5> there is a section of your graphic card
[17:16] <jonathan_1> does someone know a good site for nice desktop utilities, for example a litle box that displaies the cpu usage or disk usage etc?
[17:16] <yb5> it sasy driver "nv"
[17:16] <jonathan_1> i mean a site where i can find some of them
[17:17] <yb5> change that nv to nvidia
[17:17] <jhutchins_wk> grendal_prime: BTW it's "proprietary".
[17:17] <yb5> with sudo rights
[17:17] <Jabop> xsacha: I figured it out, you lead me in the right direction. thanks
[17:17] <xsacha> :)
[17:17] <jhutchins_wk> !packages
[17:18] <grendal_prime> jhutchins_wk: ya but whats the alternative...the nv driver is not doing opengl
[17:19] <grendal_prime> yb5: pretty sure thats what i have going on now
[17:19] <jhutchins_wk> jonathan_1: Unlike windows, where packages are created and distributed by many other companies, packages that are popular with a distribution's users and developers get tested and bundled with the distribution.  They are not necessarily installed, but looking within the package manager you'll find loads of stuff.
[17:19] <jhutchins_wk> grendal_prime: I don't know much about it myself, I hear that the guide here is a bit old, but:
[17:20] <jonathan_1> hm but then i need the name of some apps to find them don't i?
[17:20] <jhutchins_wk> !nvidia | grendal_prime
[17:20] <grendal_prime> grrrrrr
[17:20] <jonathan_1> it's funny every time i'm in this channel it's the same toppic: graphic-cards :D
[17:20] <jhutchins_wk> jonathan_1: Yeah, that's a bit of a catch, but you can search descriptions as well.
[17:20] <jonathan_1> ok thank you!
[17:20] <jhutchins_wk> !info gkrellm | jonathan_1
[17:20] <xsacha> not that long ago it was wireless cards this, wireless cards that
[17:21] <jhutchins_wk> jonathan_1: That's one option.
[17:21] <xsacha> graphics cards is a bit better i think. atleast they work, the problems usually come in giving them 3d capabiltiies or compositing
[17:21] <jhutchins_wk> xsacha: For the same reasons: the hardware's changing quickly and the manufacturers don't provide Linux support.