[07:23] <diplo> Morning all
[07:48] <popey> Morning!
[07:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:29] <diplo>     function onHold($limit, $offset) {
[08:29] <diplo>         $this->db->select('*')
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->from($this->item_table)
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->join($this->links_table, "{$this->item_table}.itemID = {$this->links_table}.itemID", 'LEFT')
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->join($this->stock_table, "{$this->item_table}.IAK = {$this->stock_table}.stock_iak", 'LEFT')
[08:29] <diplo>                 ->where(array("{$this->links_table}.itemID" => null));
[08:30] <diplo> arse
[08:30] <diplo> Sorry guys :D
[08:32] <MooDoo> lol
[08:33] <diplo> Putty + right click paste is good, but not when you do it by mistake
[08:33] <diplo> :P
[08:33] <MooDoo> been there done that lol
[08:41] <BigRedS> I do wonder how much source code leakage is from people right-clicking on IRC windows
[08:41] <diplo> heh
[08:41] <diplo> First time for me, but probably a bit
[08:41] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, and happy Primrose Day everyone! :-D
[08:42] <MooDoo> lol
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: I just finished Mockingjay (Hunger Games 3/3).. how appropriate :)
[08:53] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, It is?  Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Hunger Games series.
[08:54] <JamesTait> I should really start reading more fiction again.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: you should :)
[08:57] <JamesTait> I seem to have swapped Pratchett for various other forms of hocus pocus, magic incantations and sourcery.
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: ah, you fell prey to (some of the) "doorstop" fantasy series?
[09:01] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I read a lot of Pratchett (and Eddings, and others) at Uni.  Don't seem to have (or more likely make) the time these days.
[09:03] <feisar> morning all
[09:04] <feisar> what's happening regarding Ubuntu's release cycle, is 13.04 the last release before rolling?
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Most people I know have started reading those 1000 page epic stories (like the Game of Thrones stuff, etc.).. but I can't stand that kind of "Fantasy" stories :)
[09:05] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I also spent a lot of time at Uni playing and coding on MUDs, most of which were of that genre. ;) I'm not sure which came first, but they probably fed each other.
[09:11] <BigRedS> feisar: I don't think rolling has been decided on, has it?
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> I think they discussed it in a podcast
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> so popey knows
[09:12] <BigRedS> a podcast? How modern
[09:12] <popey> hmm?
[09:12] <BigRedS> Since I've stopped spending 4hrs a week on a motorway I've almost completely stopped listening to podcasts...
[09:12] <feisar> oh right, I wasn't sure
[09:12] <directhex> since i stopped taking the bus i stopped playing handheld games
[09:13] <JamesTait> BigRedS, me too.
[09:13]  * JamesTait spots a theme.
[09:13] <popey> no, there will be 13.04, 13.10 and 14.04...
[09:13] <BigRedS> I'd really like an idiot-proof device that I could give a bunch of podcast feeds to and have it play those whenever I turn it on, as a radio replacement
[09:14] <BigRedS> but I can't quite be bothred to create one
[09:15] <feisar> BigRedS: I wouldn't describe it as idiot proof exactly but Subsonic combined with a phone client would come pretty close to that
[09:17] <BigRedS> Anything involving phones isn't idiot proof for me :) Mine's got a flat battery ~20% of the time
[09:19] <feisar> sure, I was fortunate enough to get a Nexus 4 for Christmas so it works for me : )
[09:19] <Myrtti> I think the "rolling release", AFAIK, will be for n+1 version
[09:19] <Myrtti> ie. people who want to keep using the developmental version can do that with less hassle
[09:19] <Myrtti> normal users see no difference
[09:20] <feisar> Myrtti: that sounds good
[09:20] <Myrtti> popey will probably stab me for this
[09:22] <popey> I will?
[09:22] <Myrtti> did I explain it wrong?
[09:23] <Myrtti> I don't know if I even myself understood what I said
[09:23] <popey> me either ☻
[09:23] <popey> ask Laney
[09:23] <Laney> WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[09:23] <popey> that whole conversation was a disaster
[09:24] <Laney> i've been busy watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIOD_elAgo
[09:25] <popey> that's excellent
[09:25] <Laney> What I understand came out of that discussion is that the non-LTS releases will be supported for less time than before (9 months IIRC), and that there will be a way for people to always stay on the dev. release.
[09:26] <Laney> So imagine a symlink raring → development-release that you can put in your sources.list, which then upgrades you to swanky sloth next week.
[09:26] <directhex> more people running +1? sounds like a recipe for unbotability
[09:27] <Laney> Not sure it'll result in more people running it
[09:27] <mungbean> 9 month support is from release date, right?
[09:27] <BigRedS> botability?
[09:27] <Laney> right
[09:27] <directhex> bootability
[09:27] <directhex> typing from bed is hard
[09:27] <Laney> I don't remember what the precise number of months is
[09:27] <BigRedS> I'd probably tend towards a rolling release dev one if it was likely to end up repeatedly fixed
[09:27] <mungbean> hence, in 5 months, who's gonna install 13.04?
[09:27] <BigRedS> like Debian testing
[09:28] <feisar> and is there a set period between LTS?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> 2 years
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> I guess
[09:29] <mungbean> with 9 mth support, you only get people installing within first couple of months.
[09:29] <mungbean> it will get messy
[09:29] <mungbean> but hopefully it will mean better support for LTS users?
[09:29] <feisar> I'm feeling that makes LTS really the only way to go for me then
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's like that already
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: people don't install 13.04 when 13.10 comes out, do they? Either LTS or latest..
[09:30] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: but why install at 2 months away from 13.10
[09:30] <mungbean> u only have 5 months left of support
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> lts ;)
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> or you install 13.04 and upgrade as soon as 13.10 comes out
[09:32] <mungbean> LTS
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> LTS still gets several years of support, I guess?
[09:33] <mungbean> 5 i think
[09:33] <mungbean> but "support"
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> security updates + hardware enablement, I guess
[09:33] <mungbean> lots of bugs on LTS don't get backported to LTS
[09:33] <MooDoo> it's a shame you can't go from LTS to latest using upgrade-manafer
[09:34] <BigRedS> MooDoo: hah, yeah, some of our Ubuntu machines became centos 'cause of a bug opened in 2010...
[09:34] <MooDoo> nothing wrong with centos :D
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: because they don't have bugs
[09:35] <BigRedS> Nah, it's way less atrocious than it was last time we used it
[09:35] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I like centos, then again it's just rhel isn't it really
[09:35] <Myrtti> I care about this way too much for a person who doesn't even use Ubuntu anymore
[09:36] <MooDoo> Myrtti: what you using now?
[09:36] <BigRedS> I think we're essentialyl replacing Ubuntu with CentOS as our "enterprisey long-term stability" suggested distro
[09:36] <Myrtti> the point of the 9 month support is with the mobile devices
[09:36] <MooDoo> BigRedS: sounds good :D
[09:36] <Myrtti> Desktop users are strongly encouraged to use LTS's
[09:36] <Myrtti> MooDoo: Debian
[09:36] <BigRedS> MooDoo: yeah, we end up then with Debian and CentOS, so all our software is from the late '90s
[09:36] <MooDoo> Myrtti: then yes you care to much, but that's a good thing :)
[09:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <popey> 10:33:31 < mungbean> lots of bugs on LTS don't get backported to LTS
[09:41] <popey> such as?
[09:43] <bigcalm> Somebody at VM doesn't like me http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655699819.png
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: awww
[09:43] <popey> ouch
[09:43] <bigcalm> Yeah
[09:43]  * bigcalm reboots the modem
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> upload more ;)
[09:43] <popey> interesting, mine is down to 20Mb/s
[09:44] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655701704.png
[09:45] <ahayzen> Wheatley campus :) http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655702833.png
[09:46] <bigcalm> Rebooted the modem and now I can't even start a speed test
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: irc works though
[09:46] <bigcalm> FWP?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> [  3]  0.0-20.0 sec   222 MBytes  92.8 Mbits/sec
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> hmm iperf :)
[09:46] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: indeed, and I was able to connect to speedtest.net. But their test isn't actually going anywhere for me
[09:48] <bigcalm> That's better http://www.speedtest.net/result/2655707306.png
[09:48] <bigcalm> I dislike rebooting things to fix them though
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> yeah it feels wrong
[09:50] <NET||abuse> hi guys.
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> \o NET||abuse
[09:51] <NET||abuse> so got the microserver up and running, and was looking to see how it performs, did an scp transfer on hte local network from my laptop, was in around the 200KB/s which is pooor
[09:51] <NET||abuse> was over hardwaire on a netgear 1Gbit switch
[09:51] <ahayzen> Speed on Wheatley LAN ... http://speedtest.net/result/2655711450.png ... I win :)
[09:51] <NET||abuse> hardwaire?? heh, funny word.. over thernet.
[09:52] <NET||abuse> ethernet... arrg.g. thats' what happens when you go to sleep at 4am and getup for work the next day
[09:52] <Myrtti> if it's a relatively low end microserver, the ssh encryption can add noticeable amounts of overhead
[09:52] <bigcalm><PHONE_NUMBER>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: ip -s link
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: anything in the error columns?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: ethtool eth0 -> did autonegotiation work properly (is the cable known-good? try another cable anyway!)
[09:52] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: ooh, that's funky,, never used that before.. i'll have to run the transfer tonight after work and monitor that.
[09:53] <NET||abuse> autonegotation?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: and what Myrtti said.. encryption = lots of CPU cycles.. try "scp -c arcfour" for a CPU-friendlier (but maybe not as safe) cipher
[09:53] <NET||abuse> oh between the switch and machines.
[09:53] <bigcalm> Cat attack
[09:54] <NET||abuse> yeh, i was thinking the cpu limit might be a factor. i was just going to use something like an nfs share or even a http wget to see how they perform on the same link
[09:54] <NET||abuse> i'll run some more tests tonight and see how they perform.
[09:54] <NET||abuse> the n40L has a decent processor though.
[09:54] <Myrtti> the speed difference with NFS vs. sftp/sshfs was noticeable even on my 10mbit home lan few years ago, when I had a Dell minitower from about 2004 as a server
[09:55] <NET||abuse> yeh, well i'll definately be curious to see my results tonight
[09:55] <Myrtti> if the network is secure and on ethernet, there's no reason for using ssh
[09:56] <NET||abuse> reports from the internets of other n40L owners say they see transfer speeds of 125MB/sec on gigabit ethernet in their tests
[09:56] <NET||abuse> yeh, it's my home network so of course,, but scp was the easiest to try first
[09:56] <NET||abuse> setup of nfs is something i always seem to get a headache over
[09:56] <Myrtti> I don't even try nfs nowadays
[09:56] <NET||abuse> even though it should really be the simplest.. non encrypted stuff.
[09:57] <Myrtti> it was easier than samba in 2007, but things have changed
[09:57] <NET||abuse> oh, what's your transport of choice for a trusted link?
[09:57] <BigRedS> Myrtti: what's changed? It's still easier than samba! :)
[09:58] <Myrtti> BigRedS: not sure if there was some issues with nfs integration to nautilus/thunar that made me switch, it's been a good few months
[09:58] <NET||abuse> hehe, i think there's a weird fog of misticism around nfs for some people (like me)
[09:58] <NET||abuse> it's probably much muhc simpler in practice than i think it is.
[09:59] <popey> [  4]  0.0-10.1 sec  61.1 MBytes  50.8 Mbits/sec
[09:59] <popey> between my desktop and microserver
[09:59] <NET||abuse> popey: aww, what transport?
[09:59] <popey> but that's over powerline
[09:59] <NET||abuse> powerline?? hahah, you got those pogo plugs?
[09:59] <popey> that's iperf
[09:59] <popey> yes
[09:59] <NET||abuse> awsoem..
[10:00] <Darael> AV2OO?
[10:00] <popey> yes
[10:00] <popey> devolo
[10:00] <NET||abuse> i used them in an apartment about 5 years ago... then after a few weeks realized my neighbours were stealing my internet through their own plug
[10:00] <popey> with encryption
[10:00] <popey> my neighbours can't do that ☻
[10:00] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: from my N40L to my workstation: 68MB  22.6MB/s. That's a kernel file, possibly not big enough to really test via scp
[10:00] <NET||abuse> dodgy apartments with cheeply wired electrics back in Dublin :)
[10:01] <Myrtti> we've got powerline to connect upstairs with downstairs
[10:01] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: is that using scp?
[10:01] <BigRedS> Myrtti: ah, I've never tried to do it in nautilus. And, actually, I've not done it for a good few months either
[10:01] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: yes
[10:01] <BigRedS> All that sort of thing that I do now is temporary enough that I just use sshfs
[10:02] <NET||abuse> damn, so i've got something really crappy going on with my network maybe.
[10:02] <popey> NET||abuse: no, you can encrypt the data so people can't steal your internets
[10:02] <NET||abuse> :) i was using some pretty cheepy plugs
[10:02] <BigRedS> NET||abuse: nah, that's pretty standardly-wired electircs
[10:02] <Myrtti> what's the current Viglen MPC-L/microserver choice of the channel?
[10:02] <BigRedS> mains electricity wasn't really designed for secure signal handling :)
[10:02] <popey> heh
[10:02] <Myrtti> the HP microserver thing?
[10:02] <Myrtti> RasPi?
[10:02] <bigcalm> Myrtti: HP N40L (microserver) or similar
[10:03] <BigRedS> it's really comon for baby monitors to conflict between neighbors, for example
[10:03] <popey> depends on use case
[10:03] <popey> N50 now
[10:03] <NET||abuse> N50.. oooh,, need to lookup the specs
[10:03] <bigcalm> I don't see a need to replacing the n40 I have any time soon :)
[10:03] <popey> sorry, n54
[10:03] <NET||abuse> N54L
[10:03] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/430446-proliant-microserver-turion-2-2-2gb-250gb-nhpl-sata-lff-in-704941-421
[10:04] <Myrtti> I feel uneasy with D having RoR stuff and apache and god knows what on his laptop and I've told him he could use my Viglen as a server, but he doesn't want to mess with my box
[10:04] <popey> ~200 with cashback
[10:04] <NET||abuse> yeh, don't see a big up on the spec.
[10:04] <funkyHat> I got my first MicroServer for ~£120 after cashback ⢁(
[10:04]  * BigRedS feels sorry for anybody who has RoR stuff
[10:05] <NET||abuse> yeh i got my n40L  for £80 after/cashbackjust before christmas
[10:05] <bigcalm> This is the company I got my n40L from with 100 quid cashback: http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers/704941-421
[10:05] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: I was "investigating" RoR yesterday
[10:05] <SuperMatt> which mainly meant banging my head on the table
[10:05] <bigcalm> Though the cashback is directly with HP
[10:05] <NET||abuse> of course another 40 on ram upgrade and 120 worth of hard drives in it :)
[10:06] <SuperMatt> I've come to the conclusion that RoR has been designed for developers to get something running quickly, but if you're an sysadmin, you've got to work real hard to get stuff working well
[10:06] <SuperMatt> there's also ZERO documentation about successful RoR administration
[10:06] <bigcalm> You'll want to up the RAM and add more storage. That's where the price bumps up a bit
[10:07] <NET||abuse> so if getting 200Kb/s on a  transfer of 400 MB file over gigabit ethernet,, even using scp, the n40L should be capable of much faster than that anyway? so i've got a network issue
[10:07] <bigcalm> popey: did somebody say that these microservers can actually take up to 16gb ram?
[10:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:07] <popey> someone did yeah
[10:07] <funkyHat> And there I was thinking I'd maxed mine out...
[10:07] <popey> http://n40l.wikia.com/wiki/Memory
[10:08] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:09] <bigcalm> 8gb ecc is working well enough for me for now. Especially as work bought the ram :)
[10:09] <Myrtti> then again D also has a san box waiting to be filled with hard drives
[10:10] <popey> alan@homeserver:~$ sudo btrfs filesystem df /srv
[10:10] <popey> Data, RAID1: total=8.14TB, used=6.20TB
[10:11] <popey> zoiks
[10:11] <popey> I should clear up a bit
[10:12] <funkyHat> wat. Did not know there are 4TB drives available now
[10:12] <NET||abuse> yeh, i got the same as you bigcalm
[10:12] <NET||abuse> 8GB ecc.. have you done the modified bios replacement?
[10:13] <NET||abuse> i have a pop out drive bay in the top of it but i've not got it working yet as the sata interface isn't making itself available even when i set ahci mode on the bios
[10:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:15] <jussi> heya all. Can someone here tell me how to get to milton keynes from gatwick via public transport?  :D
[10:16] <jussi> morning davmor2 :)
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi train?
[10:16] <SuperMatt> jussi: what station would you normally pull in to if you went to london?
[10:16] <popey> jussi: http://nationalrail.co.uk
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gatwick to Victori or London Bridge (I guess)
[10:16] <jussi> SuperMatt: No idea :D
[10:16] <Laney> www.transportdirect.info
[10:16] <funkyHat> gatwick express to Liverpool Street(?), Northern line to Euston, London Midland or Virgin train to Milton Keynes
[10:16] <popey> http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/GTW/MKC/today/1130/dep
[10:17] <davmor2> jussi: tube to London, from there to Euston, Euston to milton Keynes on one of the many trains
[10:17] <Laney> hahaha
[10:17] <popey> tube?
[10:17] <popey> no
[10:17] <Laney> I love the guessing
[10:17] <shauno> if coach is an option too, national express do gatwick-milton keynes often enough
[10:18] <SuperMatt> hurm
[10:18] <Seeker`> Jetpack to London, hovercraft across the thames, then unicycle to MK?
[10:18] <SuperMatt> euston isn't so good for tubes to gatwick
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> But how come nobody has asked the really important question? ...
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> WHY Milton Keynes?
[10:18] <SuperMatt> could do euston -> kings x -> gatwick
[10:18] <popey> heh, i was thinking that
[10:18] <popey> and also wondering who would ask it first
[10:18] <popey> well done
[10:19] <popey> Data, RAID1: total=8.14TB, used=6.08TB
[10:19] <popey> better
[10:19] <Myrtti> rockets.
[10:19] <SuperMatt> oh wait...
[10:19] <SuperMatt> gatwick, not heathrow >.<
[10:19] <SuperMatt> in which case
[10:19] <SuperMatt> euston -> tube to vicroria -> gatwick express
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I see there is a one change service via Clapham... A bit slower but cheaper
[10:19] <SuperMatt> indeddc
[10:20] <shauno> just take a coach and avoid going through london in the first place
[10:20] <SuperMatt> but if you're not too confident, I would take the express
[10:20] <funkyHat> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
[10:20] <funkyHat> Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.
[10:20] <funkyHat> C:\Windows\system32>set vmrunguestlinux="C:\Program Files (x86)\VMware\VMware Se
[10:20] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: a potential client :D
[10:20] <funkyHat> rver\vmrun" -T server -h https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8333/sdk -u vmcopy -p Wa11street  -gu qa002o -gp Wa11street
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - sit on the M25 instead ;-)
[10:20] <funkyHat> C:\Windows\system32>set vmrunhost="C:\Program Files (x86)\VMware\VMware Server\v
[10:20] <funkyHat> mrun" -T server -h https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8333/sdk -u vmcopy -p Wa11street
[10:20] <Myrtti> funkyHat: tsk.
[10:20] <funkyHat> C:\Windows\system32>%vmrunguestlinux% register "[D] copy_to_esx/R505_QA_REGION_2
[10:20] <SuperMatt> combo breaker
[10:20] <funkyHat> 013-04-17/qa002.vmx"
[10:20] <SuperMatt> phew
[10:24] <funkyHat> Amazing. Sorry everyone
[10:24] <funkyHat> paste fail with passwords and everything!
[10:24]  * diplo did it earlier :) not as badly as you though
[10:25] <diplo> :P
[10:27] <NET||abuse> that was some epic password leakage there ... :P
[10:27] <NET||abuse> why are you running a linux guest on a windows host.. ughghhg
[10:27]  * NET||abuse shivers in disgust
[10:28] <MooDoo> change your passwords too as this channel is logged remember
[10:28] <NET||abuse> yeh, you're login will be googlable
[10:29] <NET||abuse> i have a stack of 11 different switches i'm going to take home with me and do transfer speed tests with my microsever tonight, i have a feeling i have a few netgear switches which have faults
[10:31] <NET||abuse> ultimately a better dsl router would be nice too though,, i have sky's crappy dsl netgear wifi router
[10:31] <NET||abuse> i get about 12Mbit download and 1Mbit up
[10:31] <NET||abuse> not hte worst in the universe but i've seen much much better
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh I am starving! Wonder what lunch will be today?
[10:40] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: ham sandwich with mustard and a cold pint ;)
[10:41] <shauno> a car door?
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> I will be drinking this evening and try and avoid lunchtimes unless I have no work in the afternoon. Nice idea on the sarny front though. But fancy something hot.
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> shauno: Thanks.
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> My face is now almost back to normal.
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone want to see this morning's picture?
[10:42] <shauno> good to hear :)
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> The chippy is rather appealing right now...
[10:46] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: we'll see your picture on google+ i'm sure
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm planning on doing a 7 day montage tomorrow :-)
[10:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> So the question is: Saveloy, Battered Sausage, Pie, Fish, Fish Cake, Burger... What to accompany chips & curry sauce?
[10:51] <brobostigon> pie, battered sausage, chips and curry sauce. :)
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pie AND Battered Sausage - that's a bit hardcore for me I think.
[10:52]  * brobostigon is hungry, so maybe is biased.
[10:54] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: welcome to my incredibly active twitter stream :D
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[10:55] <SuperMatt> man, I had my chips on wednesday, I'm way ahead of the curve
[10:57] <jussi> so Im going to wales next week... this should be fun :P
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi: Alan Bell is Wales today
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right am now definitely going for some scran. BBL
[11:00] <jussi> laters :D
[11:05] <davmor2> jussi: is that up to 1 tweet a year now :D
[11:12] <NET||abuse> mmm, friday,, today is my chpper day,, although.. i should be healthy
[11:12] <NET||abuse> i got an interval times on amazon on wednesday cause i'm gonna be so good and start getting fit again.
[11:13] <NET||abuse> yeh, so gonna get chips
[11:13] <NET||abuse> interval times? interval timer..
[11:13] <NET||abuse> arrrg.. 3.5 hours sleep is not enough
[11:14] <jussi> hehe
[11:14] <jussi> davmor2: nah, maybe one every 2 years :D
[11:14] <NET||abuse> just to let teh internet, you're still alive
[11:14] <jussi> davmor2: I find twitter a bit too public tbh
[11:15] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: if you actually want to see something from me, follow/circle me on g+
[11:15] <NET||abuse> yeh, and kind of fruitless.. g+ is better for sources of links/ideas i find
[11:15] <jussi> but I warn you, it will include baby pictures :P
[11:16] <davmor2> jussi: your not getting this internet thing are you, only pictures of cats are allowed on the t'interwebz ;)
[11:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Saveloy, Chips, Curry sauce, followed by some Tangfastics.  :P
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> jussi: depends.. are you a furry?
[11:20] <davmor2> jussi: No I'm saying your doing it wrong :P
[11:20] <jussi> hahahaaha
[11:26] <funkyHat> NET||abuse: I don't have much say in what runs on our VM hosts. The IT guys internally use ESX a lot and I think they are starting to use some KVM, but we are stuck with VMware Server and VBox if we want to run our own virtualisation
[11:27] <NET||abuse> your dev box should be linux anyway!!:{
[11:27] <funkyHat> NET||abuse: that's not an option at the moment, and that wasn't a paste from my dev box anyway
[11:28] <NET||abuse> raawwwrrr... stating uncompromising point of view... not interested in argument, closed minded approach to life... and calm.. :P
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: you know admins ;)
[11:28] <Myrtti> you know company policies
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> sysadmins, that is
[11:28] <NET||abuse> :)
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: IT dept. policies*
linux should be on every system, windows has no place in enterprise, too young, too volatile, was a flash in the pan anyway, </moredogma>
[11:31] <NET||abuse> i'm enjoying being facetious today :
[11:33] <Laney> yay my beers from brewdog have shipped
[11:38] <shauno> our IT guys are actually pretty good for that kinda thing.  we're allowed to run whatever the hell we want, on the agreement that they'll kick us off the network if we don't put our toys away when we're done with them
[11:40] <shauno> which has happened :/  we have one box that takes great delight into searching the network for a certain class of devices, attempts to login to them with default credentials, and then sets them to its own config if successful
[11:40] <shauno> plug that into the wrong network and we become very unpopular :(
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> hahaha :)
[12:05] <jussi> argh, USB creator I KILL YOU!
[12:05] <Seeker`> jussi: I think there is a queue for that
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> yeah buddy, get in line</Manhattan accent>
[12:06] <jussi> made a live usb, when I boot it drops to some sort of prompt with "boot:"
[12:06] <jussi> message is: ERROR: No configuration file found!
[12:06] <jussi> No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!
[12:06] <jussi> sigh...
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> jussi: it can't find the boot device
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> might be your BIOS being a PoS
[12:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hrm, thats annoying...
[12:08] <jussi> lemme have a look, thanks for the tip
[12:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - it's all going off in Boston. Just told the whole of Boston to stay indoors
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I've been listening all morning.. it's been getting worse and worse
[12:13] <mungbean> USians have a tendency to over react a tad tho
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: well ANYONE could be armed!
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: better to overreact in that case..
[12:14] <mungbean> yeah lets shutdown all public transport
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: he can't get away using a train that way..
[12:15] <jussi> hahah
[12:15] <jussi> hrrr, someone locked this bios... gonna have to call the company tech people to try find out the password... aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhh
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you could just paperclip the BIOS jumper :)
[12:16] <jussi> MartijnVdS: that would actually assume a few things... 1. I know where that jumper is, and 2. I am unlazy enough to open this laptop up... :P
[12:27] <Myrtti> hm, I wonder did I leave the BIOS password in
[12:36] <davmor2> jussi: you forgot the important one. 3. had a paperclip
[12:36] <mungbean> i have 4 on my desk
[12:37] <davmor2> mungbean: yeah only jussi is on a train in a country that isn't his own, that makes it slightly less likely that he would have one handy :)
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> which country is that?
[12:38] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: he is in the England
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: old or new?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> ah wait.. THE
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[12:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was think in the uk but then put England
[14:24] <funkyHat> THE England
[15:18] <czajkowski> popey: Laney http://24.media.tumblr.com/6986166623219890aecb766874bcdd14/tumblr_mldjvvNI0Z1r6uouqo1_500.gif
[15:18] <popey> ☻
[15:19] <Laney> aww
[15:20] <czajkowski> only thing making it better of course would be a pug
[15:37] <czajkowski> Laney: this is awww worthy :) https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7081521152/h91EB9AB2/
[15:40] <Laney> my god
[15:40] <Laney> remind me never to buy one of those
[15:42] <czajkowski> Laney: a pug?
[16:02] <NET||abuse> wow, so my main disk is partitioned in an lvm , but lvm2 wasn't actually installed on the base os install..
[16:04] <NET||abuse> oh, no, seems when i re-installed it didn't use lvm... oops
[16:06] <NET||abuse> hmm, apt-get'ing lvm2 broke
[16:07] <NET||abuse> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-27-generic                cp: reading `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6': Input/output error         cp: failed to extend `/tmp/mkinitramfs_gjPIas//lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6': Input/output error
[16:07] <NET||abuse>   /sbin/ldconfig.real: file /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 is truncated
[16:08] <NET||abuse> Bus Error    E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 135 gzip 0
[16:08] <NET||abuse> does it matter it's running ? :P
[16:10] <NET||abuse> hmm, bugger,, seem just update initramfs-tools craps out, odd..
[16:13] <NET||abuse> alright, will try rebooting
[16:13] <NET||abuse> exit
[16:16] <popey> that looks unwell
[16:16] <popey> bet it doesnt come back from a reboot
[16:17] <^aDaM-iPhone> i hate that had it happen to me when GRUB went on me :(
[16:24]  * davmor2 keeps getting llvm and lvm confused :)
[16:29] <kvarley> I can't remember where I heard it or saw it, I think it might have been in the industry proposition for Ubuntu for Phones. They showed Excel or another office program running on the Ubuntu desktop as an app streamed from a windows server. Does anybody know what this is called?
[16:30] <popey> Ubuntu for Android has this
[16:30] <popey> it's just remote desktop integrated into ubuntu
[16:30] <popey> so you get an Excel icon in the launcher
[16:30] <kvarley> popey: What is it called?
[16:30] <popey> which bit?
[16:30] <kvarley> Like you say, it made the apps have shortcuts and they were streamed from a server
[16:31] <kvarley> Both the server streaming part and the client part
[16:31] <ali1234> it's called RDP
[16:31] <popey> its called remote desktop
[16:31] <popey> RDP is the protocol..
[16:31] <kvarley> Is it Microsoft RDP, Citrix ICA or VMWare View?
[16:31] <popey> all of them
[16:31] <kvarley> Ok :)
[16:31] <popey> it can connect to any of those
[16:31] <kvarley> Is there a guide anywhere on how to set this up on desktop Ubuntu?
[16:32] <popey> !info remmina
[16:32] <kvarley> popey: But how would the icons work?
[16:32] <ali1234> the same way they do with anything else
[16:32] <ali1234> you pin them and they stay on the launcher
[16:32] <popey> yeah, its just an app
[16:32] <kvarley> popey: The thing I saw showed only excel, no other OS running in the background. It just looked like it was running as a native app but it was actually streamed
[16:33] <ali1234> whether or not this actually works is down to unity
[16:33] <popey> you can do that too
[16:33] <popey> there's multiple options
[16:33] <popey> logout and scroll down
[16:33] <popey> there's a remote login option down there, lets you connect to things like this
[16:33] <ali1234> kvarley: multiwindow is part of RDP
[16:33] <ali1234> however it is only enabled on windows server
[16:33] <kvarley> ali1234: Ah ok thanks
[16:33] <kvarley> popey: thanks, as usual you've solved my problem/question :)
[16:34] <ali1234> you can't do it on a consumer version of windows unless you buy citrix
[16:34] <kvarley> This is a brilliant feature, has massive potential
[16:34] <kvarley> ali1234: It's research for a potential business overhaul from windows to Ubuntu \0/
[16:35] <ali1234> you won't be able to get rid of windows
[16:35] <ali1234> you'll still need all the licenses for windows server and office
[16:35] <ali1234> if you use rdp
[16:36] <ali1234> plus everyone will be trying to run office on the same computer which will be incredibly slow
[16:37] <kvarley> Can I get to the login screen on a livecd ?
[16:44] <davmor2> kvarley: lets start at the beginning, First you need a Windows server.  Then you need to install Office onto and make it available via rdp, citrix, vmware. Then you can start looking at add the rdp served app to Ubuntu.  But for an app you can do that by using remina, the login option is more to run an entire windows session via rdp etc rather than an app
[16:46] <kvarley> davmor2: Thanks for the extra detail. I'm intending to build a test environment, if it works then it'll be onto getting it into workplaces
[16:49] <davmor2> kvarley: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-help/sharing-remote-login.html
[16:51] <kvarley> Thanks davmor2
[16:51] <davmor2> kvarley: and http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/ubuntu-12-10-login-screen-adds-remote-desktop-access
[19:07] <mungbean> how can i stop update manager appearing?
[19:22] <zleap> ok i am using lubuntu but afaik it uses the same bit of software
[19:22] <zleap> got to settings and you can set when it checks for updates
[19:24] <^aDaM-iPhone> lo all :)
[19:30] <NET||abuse> yay, continue my N40L server drama.. so the disk i installed the os on.. i think it's in trouble.. every time i try to run vim or nano or something i get kernel messages saying "exception Emask 0x0 .... etc ...   failed command: READ DMA"
[19:30] <NET||abuse> i imagine my disk is scuppered
[19:30] <mungbean> zleap: thanks byt doesnt work. i have edited update-notifier.desktop instead to be vusuble in startup progs
[19:30] <NET||abuse> i've rebooted a few times. and getting the same issue
[19:30] <mungbean> then disabled from there
[19:31] <NET||abuse> i was just trying to update the /etc/networks file to add dns-server as i forgot to add one :)
[19:31] <NET||abuse> but i can't run any text editors
[19:31] <NET||abuse> other commands seem to run ok,
[19:36] <mungbean> dmesg ?
[19:38] <popey> NET||abuse: try a different cable
[19:38] <popey> you can get those errors with a duff cable - I know i have
[19:38] <NET||abuse> it's in one ofthe drive bays, not a sperate cable.
[19:39] <NET||abuse> i've not got the top bay working yet.
[19:39] <NET||abuse> so it's in slot 1 in the 4 disk bay
[19:40] <NET||abuse> shutdown now and have an inspection of the bay, but i don't think that'll be it.
[19:41] <NET||abuse> i'll be having to run spinrite or something now
[19:45] <zleap> mungbean, ok np
[19:50] <brobostigon> tonights new HIGNFY should be good, warwick davis presenting,
[19:52] <NET||abuse> right, re-seated connections
[19:52] <NET||abuse> nope, still broken. and it's really specific.. just running vim will trigger the exact evrror every time.
[19:53] <NET||abuse> ragghghgh,, why won't the technology just bloody work!!
[19:53] <NET||abuse> old disks, my own fault.
[19:58] <NET||abuse> right, need usb stick and time to re-install AGAIN!!!! arrrg
[19:58] <NET||abuse> have another 250GB disk i can use.
[19:59] <SuperMatt> hurm, just put xfce on my latop, and find it rather pleasant
[20:11] <mungbean> still on elementary here
[20:12] <SuperMatt> ooh, now there's a thought
[20:12] <SuperMatt> stable or daily?
[20:13] <SuperMatt> looks like I'm gonna need daily for raring
[20:16] <mungbean> y u need raring?
[20:16] <mungbean> best use 1204+elentary ppa
[20:16] <mungbean> or daily
[20:16] <SuperMatt> because I already have raring installed ;)
[20:22] <NET||abuse> hmm, using the ubuntu-server image, from usb stickit took like 3 hours to install. why is that?
[20:23] <NET||abuse> if i disconnected the network it failed the install altogether. i don't want to pull down stuff from th enet if it's already on the usb stick, i can do updates later.
[20:27] <brobostigon> now that was one good HIGNFY ep, :)
[20:28] <popey> NET||abuse: 3 hours?
[20:29] <popey> do you mean 23 minutes?
[20:47] <NET||abuse> nope, yesterday and day before, i made usb stick with unetbootin, selecting the 12-10 server iso,, it seemed to boot the installer, yet wanted to retrieve all packages like it were a net installer
[20:47] <NET||abuse> used usb creator this time, seems to be quicker
[20:47] <NET||abuse> retreiving 69 files at the mo.. but seems like it's not net-installing this time.
[20:53] <NET||abuse> yeh, that was the problem, it was in net-installer mode last time.. doh :( silly me.
[21:44] <Laney> grr
[21:44] <popey> grr?
[21:44] <Laney> how can samsung get away with force installing "knowhow movies" on my tv, and making it uninstallable
[21:44] <Laney> ununinstallable?
[21:45] <popey> like google, apple, microsoft do on tablets?
[21:46] <Laney> dunno, never experienced anything like this
[21:46] <Laney> "Smart hub needs to update to continue"
[21:46] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/217v1LMlA81PC4n34ZtvtG
[21:46] <popey> *stab*
[21:46] <popey> _hate_ that dialog
[21:47] <Laney> then BBC iPlayer has gone away and in its place is KNOWHOW Movies
[21:47] <Laney> hateful
[21:48]  * popey breaks out xkill
[21:48] <ali1234> this is when RMS points and laughs at you for buying hardware with proprietary firmware


[01:32] <MageofHope> Hey, can I ask if anyone's gotten touchegg to work in Precise here yet?
[01:32] <MageofHope> Also, how well touchegg works in general
[01:33] <MageofHope> with gnome shell, particularly


[04:01] <mybalzitch> rip his array
[10:06] <tomreyn> daevski: hmm. looks like you installed NM as a snap (is it no longer available through apt then?). i'm not sure this has anything to do with the wireless not authenticating. I'd be willing to rather bet on a badly supported wireless chipset. which chipset is it? does it work fine with the same ubuntu release and kernel version and of ubuntu desktop (in case you tried)? have you ever used this very wireless chipset successfully under Linux?
[10:07] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller'     would provide us with information on the network device
[10:09] <tomreyn> also, the first threee bytes of the access point you're trying to connect to aren't registered to any manufacturer e0:22:04:... can you tell us more about this device?
[10:16] <tomreyn> http://standards-oui.ieee.org/oui/oui.txt lists organization unique identifiers (of the first three bytes of MAC addresses) in the nn-nn-nn format (rather than the nn:nn:nn format).
[10:18] <tomreyn> So while E0-22-04 isn't registered, E0-22-02  is registered to ARRIS group, a CPE vendor for devices often providing a wireless AP.
[12:37] <daevski> tomreyn, `product: BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n`. same issues on desktop edition through the gnome interface, but the wifi works perfectly well in Kali linux.
[12:39] <daevski> kali has a bit more in the box  than is needed for a docker container server, so ive been spending several days trying to fogure this out.
[12:44] <daevski> i think i can actually work around this issue. the server is installed and ether net works. i can drop this macmini next to the router after setting a static ip for it. thanks for taking the time to look at it with me!!


[02:57] <roeinstein> yay, got it installed on a vbox guest
[03:00] <roeinstein> so I've downloaded  http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img and got it running
[03:01] <roeinstein> but I would like my clutter to look like thids
[03:01] <roeinstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/clutter-small.jpg
[03:04] <roeinstein> I dont see much info on the web on how to get that running
[03:04] <roeinstein> I'm trying to find the packages but I'm basically just randomly installing stuff
[03:04] <roeinstein> what package should I be looking for and how do I run it?
[03:13] <roeinstein> ok I got it installed I think
[03:14] <roeinstein> libclutter
[03:14] <roeinstein> now how do I run this, haha
[06:35] <roeinstein> I'm a bit confused and I've been digging online for hours now without much luck
[06:35] <roeinstein> I've been trying to get clutter working
[07:19] <roeinstein> anyone alive?
[07:19] <roeinstein> :)
[09:34] <persia> roeinstein: note that MID is a hildonised interface, and so not really focused on clutter.
[09:35] <persia> apt-cache shows only netbook-launcher as depending on clutter, and this probably runs better on the UMPC image.
[20:07] <alex_mayorga> hello all, can anyone help me troubleshoot a bunch of "hci_cmd_task: hci0 command tx timeout" on my dmesg and impossibility to pair my bluetooth mouse?


[23:31] <bennypr0fane> Hello, do you think it should normally be aproblem to mount a webdav share on the server that it is coming from?  http://serverfault.com/questions/661359/mounting-a-webdav-share-to-its-original-linux-server


[00:09] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke
[00:09]  * ochosi pokes bluesabre back
[00:10] <bluesabre> I think you mentioned that the catfish ugliness was a greybird thing?
[00:10] <ochosi> possibly
[00:10] <ochosi> haven't had time to look cause now i have to test panel stuff, which i only build in my dev env
[00:10] <ochosi> which is (weirdly) 14.04lts
[00:10] <bluesabre> and, if greybird is now gtk 3.14 friendly, want to give a point release?
[00:10] <ochosi> i do, but i'm not sure it's all done yet
[00:11] <bluesabre> I can also drop other themes as you request from shimmer depends
[00:13] <ochosi> yeah, i'll give knome some time to think whether he really wants to maintain those three
[00:13] <knome> maintain... don't know, but i could give them a bump at least
[00:13] <knome> and tbh, i'm mostly interested in albatross only, so it might be just that
[00:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: parole's osd buttons look weird now unfortunately. should check how they look with adwaita to be sure who's at fault...
[00:15] <bluesabre> ok
[00:15] <bluesabre> will try to work on that a bit this weekend
[00:15] <ochosi> i'm not sure i'll get to much before christmas
[00:15] <ochosi> and then after christmas it's not looking much better until the 3rd or so
[00:15] <bluesabre> planning to be around for a change, hopefully those plans don't change for me
[00:15] <bluesabre> yeah
[00:15] <ochosi> which is why i tried to push some gtk-theme patches today
[00:16] <ochosi> but synaptic's toolbar-buttons still have weird white borders :'(
[00:16] <bluesabre> I'll roll out another release then
[00:16] <JackFrost> screenshooter will roll soon too it looks.
[00:16] <bluesabre> nice
[00:18] <ochosi> and taskman
[00:18] <ochosi> night everyone
[00:21] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[00:43] <knome> ok, off as well
[00:43] <knome> nighty people!
[00:57] <Noskcaj> Are we going to have adwaita-icon-theme or gnome-icon-theme for vivid?
[01:28] <shnatsel> Any tips on how to reach tumbler (XFCE thumbnailer) devs? xfce.org seems to be down
[01:29] <shnatsel> I want to run a fuzzer on their various thumbnailers, but for that I need a way to invoke and monitor them more or less directly. The regular daemon architecture won't do.
[01:31] <Noskcaj> shnatsel, #xfce-dev on freenode, direct emails, or filing bugs
[01:31] <shnatsel> thanks!
[05:31] <Noskcaj> Incase it's not been mentioned, transmission has some theme issues with the new gtk too
[06:05] <JackFrost> That's alright, deluge is better anyway. :>
[08:14] <elfy> ochosi: ok - got those updates late yesterday - http://i.imgur.com/JkArMFn.png  http://i.imgur.com/ussMCJ4.png
[08:14] <elfy> I can't tell if what you think is skewed is or isn't still :)
[13:03] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that's how it's supposed to be
[13:06] <elfy> cool - I can forget about that now then :)
[13:08] <ochosi> synaptic is not 100% fixed yet unfortunately
[13:08] <elfy> well ...
[13:09] <elfy> I guess the priority has to be our *packages*
[13:09] <elfy> and I would just assume that things are supposed to look like they do - unless it was horribly broken of course :)
[13:11] <bluesabre> good morning guys
[13:11] <ochosi> nah, but the synaptic bug points to a general issue
[13:11] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[13:11]  * ochosi is about to sneak out again
[13:12] <bluesabre> ofc :P
[13:12] <ochosi> :)
[13:12] <ochosi> pushed another fix to greybird quickly
[13:12] <ochosi> and i'm out.
[13:12] <ochosi> ttyl
[13:13] <ochosi> elfy: that one should fix synaptic and co
[13:13] <bluesabre> seeya
[13:16] <elfy> ok ochosi - I'll keep an eye out for that - have fun
[13:16] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[13:16] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[13:19] <elfy> keeping busy then :)
[13:26] <bluesabre> :)


[09:57]  * PaulW2U counts summaries - 9 still to be done
[16:28] <pleia2> thanks PaulW2U
[16:34] <ahoneybun> done 3
[16:35] <pleia2> \o/
[16:42] <ahoneybun> 4 done
[16:42] <ahoneybun> in total


[15:30] <sarnold> good morning
[15:30] <eslerm> hi all o/
[15:30] <joalif> o/
[15:30] <slyon> o/ c_paelzer does have some timezone clashes today. So I'll be running the meeting.
[15:30] <dviererbe> Hello o/
[15:30] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:30:55 UTC.  The chair is slyon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[15:30] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage eslerm
[15:31] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[15:31] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:31] <jamespage> o/
[15:31] <didrocks> hello
[15:32] <slyon> c-m is looking pretty good. inetutils is with joalif for MIR review (what's status on this?) and I've just reviewed a fix for the broken autopkgtests today
[15:32] <slyon> the fix is ready for sponorship, but pending FFe
[15:32] <slyon> mosh has been taken over by rbasak to fix the remaining blockers
[15:32] <joalif> slyon I didn't get the chance to work on it last week, I;ll do it this week (promise)
[15:32] <slyon> thanks joalif!
[15:32] <slyon> c-m-p:
[15:33] <slyon> this is looking much cleaner!
[15:33] <eslerm> does ipmitool need to stay on that list? "ipmitool repository has been locked, and its maintainer suspended, by GitHub" - https://lwn.net/Articles/926101/
[15:33] <slyon> we (foundations) were able to drop two *-perl dependencies of devscripts and I just uploaded ndctl earlier today to drop two additional deps/mismatches
[15:34] <slyon> eslerm: this is a fair point.. I think we should further disucss this during AOB
[15:35] <sarnold> we definitely should have another conversation with the maas team to see if there's a good alternative that we can invest in to push it over the line
[15:35] <slyon> for *cups we're pending security review IIRC and python-inflect is with the OpenStack team
[15:35] <slyon> sarnold: is maas the only user?
[15:36] <sarnold> slyon: probably not, but the supported-maas seed is how this is on our radar every week :)
[15:36] <slyon> sarnold: could you or eslerm reach out to the MAAS team to clarify this?
[15:36] <sarnold> sure
[15:36] <slyon> ACK. Maybe we should create a bug report which can be shared with the MAAS team, and also subscribe ~ubuntu-archive, to bringt it to the AAs attention?
[15:37] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[15:37] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:37] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:37] <slyon> nothing \o/
[15:37] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:37] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:37] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:38] <slyon> bug #2001699 -> tracking update
[15:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2001699 in jaraco.text (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-autocommand, python-inflect" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2001699
[15:38] <slyon> bug #2007710 -> seems ready for promotion. didrocks could you double check and update the bug status accordingly?
[15:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2007710 in gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007710
[15:38] <didrocks> slyon: we need the FFe
[15:38] <didrocks> before doing the promotion
[15:38] <didrocks> but yeah, I’ll change the status after checking
[15:39] <slyon> didrocks: thanks! Please also mention the FFe in the comments as I think I couldn't find anything about it there
[15:39] <didrocks> well, it’s the distro regular process at this point (for the thing that will start pulling it)
[15:40] <slyon> didrocks: well... actually it looks like it already migrated. So maybe FFe is already done?
[15:40] <didrocks> but happy to write it down
[15:40] <didrocks> the thing pulling it should have the FFe
[15:40] <slyon> anyway, thanks for taking care!
[15:40] <didrocks> being either a seed/metapackage change or a dep
[15:40] <slyon> I see. makes sense
[15:40] <slyon> no other recent (past 2 weeks) updates on that list
[15:41] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:41] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:41] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:41] <slyon> Internal link
[15:41] <slyon> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[15:41] <slyon> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[15:41] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[15:41] <slyon> sarnold: what's the update you have for us today?
[15:42] <eslerm> I'm seeing progress on x265
[15:43] <eslerm> we requested volunteers a few times for cups mirs, I have a 1x1 today where I can raise this again
[15:43] <sarnold> alas not much progress on duktape or kea (sorry christian, when reading the logs, I've still got your dissaproving picture over my monitor) -- escalations atop escalations
[15:43] <slyon> right! there have been some discussions regarding x265 vs libde265. but it seems like they are not fit for the reverse purpose (encoder vs decoder). Foundations is currently trying to clarify this with upstream libde265
[15:44] <sarnold> we do still intend to put more time on MIRs nearer the end of the month, but there's no denying that resources are currently elsewhere
[15:44] <slyon> yeah.. we'll probably also need some cycles for inetutils[-telnet] once MIR review is done by joalif ...
[15:44] <eslerm> that's good to hear, I'm not working on x265, but theres A LOT of assembly :)
[15:45] <sarnold> eslerm: oh good :) you're the new assembly expert! :)
[15:45] <slyon> as unfortunately this already got seeded and the previous netkit-telnet got dropped from the archive (Debian & Ubuntu)
[15:45] <slyon> hehe :)
[15:45] <eslerm> sorry David :pray:
[15:45] <slyon> okay. moving on.
[15:45] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[15:46] <joalif> nothing
[15:46] <eslerm> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/blob/75a487a44c91728e6c35338ed78b57f978bfeea6/README.md?plain=1#L159
[15:46] <slyon> I approved bug #2003549 today after all the required TODOs got resolved, cc athos
[15:46] <sarnold> I added a comment and subscriptions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipmitool/+bug/1978144
[15:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2003549 in log4cplus (Ubuntu) "[MIR] promote log4cplus to main as a isc-kea dependency" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2003549
[15:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1978144 in ipmitool (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ipmitool" [Undecided, Won't Fix]
[15:46] <eslerm> I'd like to change the MIR process to require one LP bug # per MIR request
[15:47] <eslerm> when multiple MIRs are on a single LP page, it breaks security tooling and is generally confusing
[15:47] <sarnold> I think that's a good idea; I'd love to see us move to something like the kernel team's tracking bugs
[15:47] <eslerm> I can make a PR to describe this, but wanted to highlight the issue here
[15:47] <sarnold> the downside of course is that it'd require new tooling to make a change that drastic
[15:48] <slyon> eslerm: no objections against this from my side... it's sometimes easier/quicker to have multiple (small) packages on the same LP bug (like all those *-perl deps), but having individual bugs is the cleaner approach
[15:48] <sarnold> this change is nice and small, addresses problems we're having with jira right now, and doesn't require tooling changes
[15:48] <slyon> eslerm: do you mind creating a PR on github to update that part of the section and we can have the discussion in the PR review?
[15:48] <eslerm> can do
[15:48] <eslerm> thank you
[15:48] <sarnold> it is more work for bug filers :/ but I think the clarity gain is worth it
[15:49] <slyon> thanks eslerm! Then we should be able to find consensus on the next MIR meeting
[15:49] <sarnold> (or, at least, I'm assuming I'm not the only one who has trouble figuring out which of N packages is referred to when reading comments within an omnibus bug)
[15:49] <eslerm> \o/
[15:50] <dviererbe> I asked cpaelzer to enable the Issues section. I promised to respond to issues and redirect them here if the authors doesn't do it. I have PR adding a Contributing section to the Readme: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/13
[15:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 13 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Add contributing section" [Open]
[15:50] <didrocks> I don’t have strong opinions from my side, so the easiest for you is fine by me :)
[15:51] <eslerm> ^ reads well to me
[15:51] <sarnold> dviererbe: I like it
[15:51] <slyon> dviererbe: I also like it.
[15:51] <dviererbe> Thank you :)
[15:52] <joalif> thanks slyon, all :)
[15:52] <slyon> Could everybody please add their review (+1/-1) on the pending PRs: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[15:52] <slyon> so we can get those landed soon?
[15:52] <sarnold> slyon: heh, we should add that as a recurring section in the meeting agenda
[15:52] <slyon> sarnold: ACK. I'll create a PR to update the meeting script :)
[15:52] <sarnold> \o/
[15:53] <slyon> I guess that's all for today.
[15:53] <slyon> thanks folks!
[15:53] <eslerm> thanks slyon, all o/
[15:53] <sarnold> thanks slyon, all :)
[15:53] <slyon> #endmeeting
[15:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:53:57 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-03-21-15.30.moin.txt


[05:39] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Developer Video Tutorial | http://askubuntu.com/q/374796
[10:53] <Rucikir> Hi, I'm making a .deb package for an application I made. But I'm not shure, if I put an 'app.desktop' in '/usr/share/applications' and then an icon in '/usr/share/icons/hicolor', it will work for Gnome. But for others DE, like KDE, will it work too ?
[12:51] <mefrio> I can get my google account details using OnlineAccounts module but how can I get my drive files?
[12:51] <mefrio> for social networks we have  Friends but I found nothing similar for documents
[12:51] <mefrio> I would like to access Google Drive
[12:58] <nik90> +
[12:59] <nik90> mefrio: I dont think there is something similar for documents
[12:59] <nik90> friends was implemented to integrate sharing to social networks
[12:59] <nik90> for google drive documents you will have to use their api to get them
[12:59] <mefrio> nik90, I see...thank you
[12:59] <nik90> the onlineaccounts is only used for authentication purposes.
[17:22] <aquarius> How do I lay out a page which has an image and then a ListView in it? I don't know how tall to make the ListView -- if I anchor the Image to parent.top then it appears *behind* the header (anchored to the top of the actual screen)
[17:25] <aquarius> enormously frustrated by how MainView handles everything magically if you only have one thing on the page, but is just weird if you try and do anything mildly complex :(
[18:55] <nik90> Does anyone know how to play a remote vide in qml?
[20:18] <aquarius> nik90, I don't; neverr tried doing video :(
[20:19] <Elleo> aquarius: have you tried using a Column ?
[20:19] <aquarius> Elleo, I have. That doesn't seem to help, unless I'm missing something obvious
[20:19] <aquarius> what I want is for the listview to scroll but not the page, if you see waht I mean
[20:20] <Elleo> aquarius: if you like I could have a poke around your source see if I can get it working?
[20:20] <aquarius> and you can't anchor things to other things in a Column
[20:20] <aquarius> let me throw together an example
[20:20] <Elleo> okay
[20:20] <Elleo> did you add a Scorllbar with the listview as its flickableitem (but not the page)?
[20:21] <Elleo> Scrollbar*
[20:21] <aquarius> no. I haven't used scrollbars because they sod everything up :)
[20:21] <Elleo> heh
[20:24] <aquarius> Elleo, trivial basic code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6395876/
[20:24] <aquarius> I would like the listview to extend from the bottom of the image to the bottom of the window, and scroll in that space
[20:24] <aquarius> that is: the header, and the picture, stay exactly where they are all the time
[20:25] <aquarius> if you anchor the Image to parent.top then it appears *behind* the header
[20:25] <aquarius> I am entirely open to suggestions. :)
[20:28] <nik90> aquarius: I did anchors.top: parent.top to the image and it worked
[20:28] <nik90> it did not hide beneath the header
[20:28] <nik90> I assuming you are referring to the page header
[20:29] <aquarius> wtf!
[20:29] <aquarius> now it's woring for me too.
[20:29] <aquarius> OK, time to work out why my actual code differs from this, then
[20:29] <aquarius> also, thank you :)
[20:30] <nik90> hehe
[20:31] <aquarius> I hate it when this happens :)
[20:32] <nik90> I am also hitting some issues with listview height
[20:32] <nik90> I tried setting height: childrenRect.height
[20:32] <nik90> but it doesnt seem to work
[20:34] <Elleo> ah cool, glad to see its sorted
[20:34] <Elleo> I was too busy making dinner to do anything useful :P
[20:35] <nik90> :P
[20:35] <nik90> Elleo: will your swipe delete patch land on mondayy?
[20:36]  * nik90 really needs it :)
[20:37] <Elleo> swipe delete patch?
[20:37] <Elleo> you're perhaps confusing me with someone else :P
[20:38] <nik90> Elleo: yup sry
[20:39] <nik90> I was referring to elopio,
[20:39] <Elleo> no worries :)
[20:39] <nik90> close but not the same :P
[20:39] <Elleo> of course I'm always happy to accept credit for stuff ;)
[20:39] <nik90> hehe
[20:39] <nik90> maybe irc should start adding user profile pic next to their nicks
[20:40] <nik90> next-gen irc
[20:45] <Elleo> nik90: careful, pretty soon you'll end up using ms comic chat
[20:49] <nik90> lol...just looked it up


[03:34] <swift110-phone> Hey
[11:34] <seawolf57> ok, hi guys
[11:35] <seawolf57> I'm Paul, I own The Daily Walk with Miracles at http://freemusic57.com just did an article (believe it or not) on Unification
[11:35] <seawolf57> was advised to come here from #freenode
[11:36] <seawolf57> going to try a distro of lubuntu
[11:36] <seawolf57> at the site there's free chat and a good forrum where you can post sale stuff and URL's and emails free
[11:37] <hateball> Yes, that's all well but this channel is for support
[11:37] <hateball> !ot | seawolf57
[11:37] <seawolf57> could somebody give me a link for a decent deveolopment build download of lubuntu want to install it was advised on #freenode
[11:40] <hateball> If you are looking for nightly builds they are found here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/
[11:41] <seawolf57> thanks "I'm there" appreciate it thank you all have a nice night/day
[11:41] <seawolf57> thank you hateball
[11:41] <hateball> You're welcome seawolf57
[11:42] <seawolf57> free chat and forums at http://freemusic57.com please excuse the advert bye all
[11:59] <nosoundonmy> I don't hear any sound on my laptop run by lubuntu 15.10
[13:16] <rameur> Hello
[13:19] <rameur> I want to know if Lubuntu works on a Pentium 3 497 Mhz with 512 Mb memory.
[13:21] <swift110-phone> Lol
[13:23] <rameur> LOL
[13:23] <rameur> what is the minimum configuration for Lubuntu ?
[13:24] <leszek> a computer that runs faster then your smartphone :P
[13:24] <rameur> I want to test Linux and install it on the old computer.
[13:24] <leszek> *than
[13:25] <rameur> OK
[13:25] <rameur> so Lubuntu will not works on the old computeur ? :(
[13:29] <rameur> nobody to help me ?
[13:40] <rameur> thanks a lot for your help. :)
[13:40] <rameur> bye
[16:31] <Jakey3> hi, im on 14.04 lubuntu is there going to be many changes in 16.04?
[16:31] <Jakey3> to make it worth upgrading
[17:05] <pZombie> editing the space settings in LXpanel v0.8.1 and decreasing/increasing the values, shouldn't the space between the icons the spacer is set between decrease/increase as well? It doesn't
[17:07] <pZombie> Also, in panel preferences, under the appearance tab, if you check System theme under Background, it results in a grey solid color. If you ping Solid Color, it actually uses the system theme. Picking a solid color is impossible
[23:17] <swift110> hey all
[23:18] <wxl> what's up swift110 ?
[23:18] <swift110> hey wxl I am great and you?
[23:18] <wxl> swift110: doing good. we'll continue this over at -offtopic? :)
[23:19] <swift110> sure


[23:47] <hsa2> anyone using gnome-do ?
[23:48] <jpds> dath: Try installing: ia32-libs
[23:49] <dath> jpds: cant find that package in synaptic
[23:49] <DarkWell> anyways seems that I cant create any good stuff with the liveCD ?
[23:49] <hsa2> what happens whan i press '.' in gnome-do?
[23:49] <hsa2> it opens a window like a text input
[23:49] <DarkWell> i refuse using anything that could be attack by watermark attacks
[23:49] <hsa2> but i cannot understand what it does
[23:49] <jpds> DarkWell: Well, you just have to find out where twofish-xts-essiv is.
[23:50] <jpds> dath: I'm sorry, I'm out of ideas.
[23:50] <hsa2> any idea for me
[23:50] <DarkWell> yes where =
[23:50] <jpds> hsa2: It's for adding long texts really...
[23:50] <hsa2> ?
[23:50] <DarkWell> ?
[23:50] <hsa2> hmmm
[23:50] <hsa2> i see now
[23:50] <hsa2> thanks a lot
[23:50] <DarkWell> i have the twofish and twofish-common modules
[23:50] <jpds> hsa2: Like, if you use the Remmeber the Milk plugin.
[23:51] <DarkWell> modprobe -l | grep $what ?
[23:51] <jpds> hsa2: Type something and hit Esc, and it'll add the text to the text field you're in.
[23:52] <Typh> Can anyone lend a hand? I can't launch the software sources gui: http://dpaste.com/136426/
[23:52] <epinky> hsa2: Pressing . (period) as the first key in a pane enters Text Mode, when applicable. Use it for typing larger amounts of text, or when you want to type without distractions. Do will automatically enter this mode when there are no other options than text for you to select. http://do.davebsd.com/wiki/Using_Do
[23:53] <syrius> hmm
[23:53] <syrius> ubuntu is anti democratic they are pro capitalism therefor they are unanarchist
[23:54] <vis> anyone have any ideas about this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8539150#post8539150
[23:54] <jpds> syrius: Cool, but offtopic for here.
[23:54] <leopistabas> anyone know how to see my music from itouch on linux?
[23:54] <erUSUL> !ipod
[23:54] <syrius> why you not in offtopic jpds
[23:55] <jpds> syrius: I'm in 35 channels as it is.
[23:55] <cheezey> question. is there anything that allows me to extract the "EDID" thingy from my laptop. (im following: http://republicadelosbananos.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/solution-for-nvidia-210m-causing-blank-screen-after-driver-install/ but the program they suggest crashes on my computer no matter what :X)
[23:55] <DarkWell> AES didnt work eier this ccommand gave exactly same error :
[23:55] <DarkWell> cryptsetup --verbose -c aes-xts-essiv:sha256 luksFormat /dev/sda5 /media/e91a1c82-4f7f-4a36-b15d-c867056ccb84/desktop1/root
[23:56] <syrius> leopistabas just use rockbox I just put a folder on my ipod and put the music there and I disabled the ipod plugin for rhythmbox and enable the MTP plugin this will only let you see the music in the folder you created
[23:57] <dath> jpds: quake 3 runs now, you have to run the script as root
[23:57] <jpds> DarkWell: Try: sudo lukformat -t ext3 /dev/sda5
[23:57] <jpds> DarkWell: Ah, glad to hear you sorted it.
[23:57] <syrius> dath link?
[23:57] <leopistabas> syrius, ok and that will work with itouvh?
[23:57] <dath> syrius: what link?
[23:57] <syrius> to how to use that with quake 3 dath
[23:57] <unop> Typh, sounds like it's missing a template , a file or so. what happens when you try and run it without gksudo?
[23:58] <syrius> dunno look at rockbox to see if it supports your ipod model leopistabas
[23:58] <Typh> unop: same thing
[23:58] <dath> syrius: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/q3a/ , http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t252074.html
[23:58] <dath> all you have to do is run the script as root
[23:59] <dath> then it seems to work
[23:59] <dath> game starts
[23:59] <judgen> How do i set the gnome icon theme from kde?
[23:59] <dath> unfortunately without sound, but im gonna fix that
[23:59] <unop> Typh, hmm, I would try reinstalling the software-properties-gtk package in the hope that it replaces the missing file(s).   sudo aptitude reinstall software-properties-gtk


[03:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#3727 closed: commands: status and list-tracks <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3727>
[07:46] <mup> PR snapd#11680 closed: packaging: restart our units only after the upgrade <⚠ Critical> <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11680>
[07:51] <mup> PR snapd#11707 closed: o/assertstate: fix handling of validation set tracking update in enforcing mode <Complex> <Needs Samuele review> <Bug> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11707>
[07:56] <mup> PR snapd#11747 opened: release: version 2.55.4 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11747>
[11:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#3729 closed: parts: handle build base <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3729>
[11:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3720 closed: Pull changes from main to snapcraft/7.0 <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3720>
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#11747 closed: release: version 2.55.4 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11747>
[12:42] <mup> PR snapd#11748 opened: packaging: merge 2.55.4 changelog <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11748>
[13:12] <mup> PR snapd#11748 closed: packaging: merge 2.55.4 changelog <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11748>
[18:03] <mup> PR snapcraft#3731 opened: tests: fix content provider snap not found for core22 <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3731>
[19:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3732 opened: commands: upload <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3732>


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[18:05] <IZh> Hi! Just a curiosity, how many official Canonical testers are total? Of course, if it's a not secret info. Wanted to know order of magnitude.
[18:06] <IZh> How big is QATeam in Canonical?
[19:06] <dpb1> IZh: I doubt you will get an official number there. :)
[19:06] <dpb1> IZh: working at Canonical, we attempt to put quality as a part of everything we develop, every step of the way.  Not to dodge the question or anything.
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[09:55] <xnox> uploaded llvm-toolchain-9 that should build on armhf
[09:56] <xnox> ghc still building
[09:56] <xnox> python3.9 still building on riscv64, and doesn't look like it is stuck.... yet.
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[10:24] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, the build was good https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-9/1:9.0.1-14build1
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> you just uploaded before it finished
[10:31] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  le sigh
[10:31] <xnox> it failed like 3 retries before
[10:32] <xnox> i hate it
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> its more armhf sucking
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> same fot ghc
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> *for
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[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> wow this haskell migration makes no sense to me
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[01:01] <DalekSec> Nice, great job on git support and thanks. \o/
[03:17] <robfrawley> i was as excited as a 8yr old on Christmas morning when I red the Git info in that last discussion - then i saw the background/watermark - you guys 100% pulled off obnoxious on that one
[03:17] <robfrawley> ;-)
[04:02] <wgrant> robfrawley: it'll hopefully be released before the end of April.
[06:53] <robfrawley> wgrant: thanks for the info on that - i can't wait!
[14:58] <tsdgeos> is launchpad borked?
[14:58] <tsdgeos> trying to report a bug i get "Something has gone wrong. We're sorry!" all the time
[14:59] <dobey> seems ok here
[15:00] <tsdgeos> :/
[15:01] <tsdgeos> i lost all that nice test i had written
[15:06] <tsdgeos> damnit
[15:06] <tsdgeos> and now a billion bugs were reported :D
[15:08] <tsdgeos> oh well
[15:08] <tsdgeos> duplicated them
[15:10] <dobey> heh
[16:04] <Raccoon> Happy April 1st :)
[16:16] <teward> cjwatson: stupid question but why isn't the channel +t to lock down those kinds of things
[16:20] <cjwatson> teward: Because it's not a practical problem worth spending effort on
[16:20] <cjwatson> When things like that are not a practical problem, it's normally better to be open so that people can collaborate more effectively
[16:21] <cjwatson> And we don't have to deal with managing access lists etc.
[16:21] <teward> mmm
[16:21] <teward> well on april fools day i disagree
[16:21] <teward> this is where "Open Management" philosophy and "pranks galore" diverge from each other
[16:21]  * teward shrugs
[16:21] <cjwatson> You're welcome to, but I've already spent more time arguing with you than I've spent on cleanup. :-)
[16:21] <teward> cjwatson: meh
[16:21] <teward> i call this discussion, not argument
[16:21] <cjwatson> Either way
[16:21] <teward> meh
[16:22] <cjwatson> lockdown has a cost, often hidden
[16:22] <cjwatson> no point if it fails to outweigh the benefits
[16:22] <teward> mmm
[17:07] <KaZeR> hi there
[17:09] <dobey> hi
[17:09] <KaZeR> how can how upload translation templates to launchpad nowadays? trying to use tools from the  ubuntu-l10n-tools i'm always getting an http error 500
[17:09] <KaZeR> (i meant, upload via a script )
[17:10] <dobey> i guess with those tools. do you not also see an OOPS ID in the logs when that happens?
[17:18] <cjwatson> Here's the traceback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10719491/
[17:18] <cjwatson> Not sure why that's turning into a 500 and not a 403 or similar
[17:19] <KaZeR> oh interesting. how did you get that? :)
[17:19] <cjwatson> Server logs
[17:20] <KaZeR> cool.
[17:20] <cjwatson> Anyway, that suggests that the script in question maybe doesn't have credentials with appropriate privileges or similar ...
[17:21] <KaZeR> i did two tests : using translations-lp-upload and trying to script it myself using perl
[17:21] <KaZeR> the credentials i used are the one from my regular account.. i can upload correctly using the web interface, but it's a real pain to do this manually
[17:22] <KaZeR> i made several attempts yesterday ( mostly with translations-lp-upload ) do you have the exact same error with the test i did using my perl script ? i can replay it if it helps
[17:23] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I have to go for dinner, can't look further now
[17:24] <KaZeR> np cjwatson. enjoy dinner!
[17:25] <dobey> KaZeR: is your perl script using an OAuth token and signing the request properly?
[17:28] <KaZeR> i wrote it using mechanize-shell.. as far as i can tell i think it does it, but i'm no oauth expert
[20:54] <KaZeR> cjwatson: are you available now ?
[21:11] <KaZeR> +t folks...
[21:12] <KaZeR> thanks FrogLeg :)
[21:17] <dobey> hi k1l_
[21:17] <dobey> blr: around?
[21:18] <blr> dobey: hi
[21:18] <dobey> blr: ^^ can you take care of this with a banhammer perhaps?
[21:21] <KombuchaKip> lol
[21:21] <KaZeR> dobey: i've reported that in #freenode, it's probably a bot, doing that in a lot of chans. only way out is a +t
[21:22] <teward> they're klined now
[21:22] <blr> ugh sorry everyone, wasn't aware I had ops, or I would have dealt with it.
[21:22] <KaZeR> sweet
[21:23] <teward> blr: you can set a retroactive +b if you want, but you might just want to stay opped for a while
[21:23] <teward> if it's truly a bot attacking, then swtick around
[21:23] <blr> teward: not going anywhere :)
[21:24] <teward> i meant with the op hat on :)
[21:24] <blr> right
[21:25] <DalekSec> Thanks, mquin.
[22:11] <cjwatson> KaZeR: tomorrow during EU working hours
[22:11] <cjwatson> unless somebody else helps in the meantime
[22:24] <KaZeR> ok thanks cjwatson


[00:16] <mattfly> hi, after restarting kwin to see if that would restore the desktop effects (which worked) the window borders gotta kinda small
[00:16] <mattfly> is there any way to solve this?
[00:46] <kaosine> anyone know a way to fix a sleeping issue on a mbp 11,5? Like today it's been especially bad to the point it runs hot(and yes I know the ironic nature of running linux on a mac....the thing is 4 years old and still works so eh)
[01:40] <lcar> hola tengo un problema en varios escritorios por ejemplo kde y gnome y es que las ventanas hija no pueden salir sus bordes de la ventana madre y me resta mucho espacio sobre todo por que las ventanas sean no modificables en tamaño
[01:41] <krytarik> !es | lcar
[01:44] <lucho> Hi, someone speak english/español?
[01:45] <krytarik> lucho: English yes, but Spanish rather goes in #ubuntu-es. :)
[01:47] <kaosine> krytarik: oh....hey >_>
[01:48]  * kaosine hides
[01:48] <lucho> Thnks #krytarik
[01:48] <krytarik> kaosine: Shhhh! >_<
[01:49] <kaosine> I don't use standard ubuntu anyways, I was scared off of it during the unity days *shrugs*
[01:49] <krytarik> Yeah, you aren't the only one there. >_>
[01:50] <krytarik> (I'm using Xubuntu myself currently.)
[01:50] <kaosine> since even then I had a fairly decent toshiba laptop and it was slow as hell on it :P
[01:50] <kaosine> since that was back during the v12-14 days according to cd's I have
[01:50] <krytarik> Yeah, Unity proper wouldn't run on mine either - and not to even think about Gnome Shell.
[01:51] <kaosine> which is why I prefer kde, xfce, and qt XD
[01:52] <kaosine> no offense to people who can run it and it work fine on their stuff :P
[01:53] <kaosine> though I do need to find a way to force this mbp to properly hibernate when I close the lid. Neither neon or kubuntu like to make it stay asleep and the battery is already bad enough without that helping it
[01:55] <krytarik> Are you saying it does go into hibernation at first but then wakes up again by itself?
[01:56] <kaosine> yeah, and i may have refound the solution I used last time, though it does cause me to need to use the power button to wake it back up
[01:56] <kaosine> (and oddly it's a solution from the arch wiki rofl )
[01:59] <kaosine> supposedly the values in /proc/acpi/wakeup for LID0 and XHC1 should make it sleep but yeah it wakes up despite those apparently being enabled like they should be. So back to using this service fix so it will properly sleep. I'll just have to remember to press teh power button to wake it
[02:03] <kaosine> probably what I get for using a 4 year old mac for this....just too broke to go out and replace the darn thing since this was originally a gift in the form of a 2012 model that apple replaced and has worked fine ever since....bar the random dead pixel or two near the bottom left
[02:05] <kaosine> I guess I'll see if this works like last time...no reason it shouldn't but eh *shrugs*
[02:33] <Randune> hi all..
[02:33]  * Randune would like to know if anyone else has had any luck running Kubuntu 18.04 and using an AMD Raid controller?
[02:38] <Randune> I understand AMD provides a driver, but it's only supported up to Ubuntu 16.10.
[02:38] <Randune> too bad it wasn't open source
[08:43] <Guest76498> hello
 Acces outside disk … Grub rescue.. … Any one knows the command,?
 Thanks
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:49] <user|3997> I have kubuntu 17.04 and i can't uptade to the 18.04 version
[14:53] <ca_cabotage> hey all, over on the side of my kubuntu desktop, there is a tiny little hamburger menu icon, and below that it says "Defaults", how can i make this go away
[14:55] <acheronuk> ca_cabotage: right click desktop > Configure Desktop > Tweaks > untick 'show desktop toolbox' > Apply
[14:57] <ca_cabotage> thanks acheronuk
[14:58] <acheronuk> np
[15:28] <Tyras> Is the "Always arrange tasks in columns of as many rows" option not working? I have set 2 rows and ticked the option, but it does nothing...
[15:28] <Tyras> *In the Task Manager Settings
 Hello, does anyone know how I can get Firefox Developer Edition, I searched for it on Discover, didn't get it, but there is an Ubuntu forum post about how to get it but I don't know if it applies to my sweet Kubuntu
[18:26] <user|92106> hello, i have a sample question
[18:27] <user|92106> the first my english is bery bery bad, but i understend
[18:27] <user|92106> how to burn iso in usb ?
[18:28] <user|92106> program, for windows
[18:30] <genii> You might look at https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[18:30] <genii> ..or not since they left now
 🙄 if a program is compatible with Ubuntu does it mean it is also compatible with Kubuntu?
 Fwd from mphoj: Hello, does anyone know how I can get Firefox Developer Edition, I searched for it on Discover, didn't get it, but there is an Ubuntu forum post about how to get it but I don't know if it applies to my sweet Kubuntu
[18:38] <genii> Yes, you can probably use instructions intended for Ubuntu to install Firefox Developer Edition in Kubuntu. Also, yes, most applications which run under Ubuntu will also run in Kubuntu. Although they may not look very pleasing graphically without some additional effort
 thank you, now I can proceed with ease😋
[19:52] <francesco> ciao
[19:52] <francesco> !list
[20:36] <pinkrabbit> hello linux users :)
[23:18] <Guest44638> wc
[23:18] <wc> willc