[12:13] <jsiris> kalagio: if nothing helps, you may get additional help here: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwintv
[12:13] <clau> kalagio: or try maybe #v4l
[12:13] <kalagio> clau
[12:14] <pjesi> 6.20
[12:14] <pjesi> 10 even
[12:14] <SlackRat> thats it! the kubuntu forums have been down for hours! im going back to windows!
[12:14] <kalagio> it sayws v4l2 driver version is loaded
[12:14] <desi007> is there an easy howto for pdf printer to add in 6.10 :(
[12:14] <hendaus>  ubotu i open amule from kubuntu,but the kad is off, is there any solution to fix it?
[12:14] <SlackRat> :-P
[12:14] <kalagio> clau and registered device video 0
[12:15] <SlackRat> !uboto kad
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uboto kad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <clau> kalagio: could you paste all of it in pastebin again?
[12:15] <kalagio> yes
[12:15] <SlackRat> check the aMule site,,,,,,
[12:16] <kristina> hi, how do you make fonts look nice on an lcd monitor again? sorry I forgot the command
[12:16] <kalagio> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7407/
[12:16] <hendaus> SlackRat maybe coz i am using a router
[12:17] <hendaus> but i dont know how to disable the firewall from it to work amule
[12:17] <Dr_willis> !fonts
[12:17] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[12:18] <SlackRat> dunnno, i just set it up about two days ago......stopped configuring it and got what i needed via a bittorent
[12:18] <SlackRat> need to config it one o these days
[12:19] <Contrast> pjesi:, still there?
[12:19] <hendaus> SlackRat so what can i do to fix the problem????
[12:19] <kalagio> clau ?
[12:20] <clau> kalagio: hmm... my knowledge is unfortunately at its ends...
[12:20] <clau> try #v4l
[12:20] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:20] <KiPSeRoN> !nividia
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:21] <tom__> join #beryl
[12:21] <tom__> oops!sorry
[12:21] <kalagio> clau thank you very much
[12:21] <clau> kalagio: sorry I could't help you any further
[12:21] <kalagio> i will ask in v4l
[12:22] <clau> show them the pastebins
[12:22] <clau> especially the first
[12:22] <franklin> hi pplz, need help, how can i mount another linux partition?
[12:22] <kalagio> thanks a lot
[12:22] <clau> no prob.
[12:24] <jsiris> franklin: mount /dev/something /where/it/should/be/mounted
[12:24] <franklin> i'm new on this
[12:24] <jsiris> franklin: alt+f2 --> konsole
[12:24] <jsiris> franklin --> kcontrol
[12:25] <jsiris> franklin: --> system settings --> partitions
[12:25] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:26] <heavy666> hi @all
[12:27] <heavy666> Hi, ist hier jemand, der sich mit Themes auskennt ?
[12:27] <jsiris> wieviel muss ich wissen, um mich damit auszukennen?
[12:27] <coreymon77> okay guys
[12:28] <heavy666> ich versuchte verzweifelt kde themes zu installieren die ich z. b. von kde-look.org gezogen hab
[12:28] <coreymon77> i got a replacement of the same card i used to have
[12:28] <coreymon77> same sound card
[12:28] <coreymon77> it works in windpws
[12:28] <coreymon77> but not in linux
[12:28] <Section32> Hey all
[12:28] <jsiris> heavy666: themes fr kdm?
[12:28] <crimsun> coreymon77: pastebin the info requested at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[12:28] <Section32> Whats the name of the CPU monitor that goes in the task bar?
[12:29] <heavy666> jo, fr kdm
[12:29] <Section32> I just had to reinstall my Kubuntu and I forgot.
[12:29] <jsiris> heavy666:k. was ist das problem?
[12:29] <heavy666> ich wrde gern mir mal die lcars dektops genauer ansehen
[12:29] <clau> heavy666: system settings -> kdm theme manager -> (administrator mode) install new theme
[12:30] <heavy666> hab ich versucht, jedoch ohne erfolg, es werden mir keine dateien angezeigt und ich hab auch schon versucht die via *.* einzeln mal anzusprechen aber der kann mit z. B. themerc oder ktheme nix anfangen
[12:31] <jsiris> heavy666: link des themes?
[12:31] <heavy666> jo, mom
[12:32] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:32] <ronniew> alright, back agai with another (prpably dumb) question :)
[12:33] <franklin> i got a linux partition hdb4 fron a previous distro, how can i mount it?
[12:33] <ronniew> when i enable beryl with aiglx my titlebars dissapear, any suggestions?
[12:33] <jsiris> franklin: did you find your way with kcontrol?
[12:34] <heavy666> z. b. http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/lcars/
[12:34] <franklin> jsiris: i didnt
[12:34] <jsiris> franklin: but u did start kcontrol?
[12:34] <coreymon77> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7409/
[12:35] <franklin> i cant find anything about partition on kcontrol
[12:35] <jsiris> heavy666: dem screenshot nach ist es ein window manager theme..
[12:36] <SlackRat> sudo mount /dev/hda4
[12:36] <ScarFreewill> jhutchins: ping?
[12:36] <MadMatt> has anyone here had a problem with games skipping frames?
[12:36] <ScarFreewill> jhutchins: i got my drivers working :)
[12:37] <ScarFreewill> MadMatt: no, no prolblems here
[12:37] <MadMatt> well I have a go 7700 and the frames skip on games in glxgears
[12:37] <MadMatt> it skips like every 3 seconds
[12:37] <jsiris> franklin: okay. there s supposed to be "system settings"  (or something similiar) in the kcontrol menu on the left. do you see this
[12:37] <MadMatt> it's really annoying
[12:37] <franklin> SlackRat: cant find /dev/hdb4 en /etc/fstab o /etc/mtab
[12:38] <SlackRat> what does it show franklin?
[12:38] <franklin> yes, well in spanish,
[12:38] <SlackRat>   ,.media /hda4?
[12:39] <franklin> unknown error ocurred
[12:39] <wildchild> !worcraft
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worcraft - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <wildchild> !games
[12:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[12:39] <Chicory> !warcraft
[12:40] <SlackRat> its part 4, on hdb right?
[12:40] <franklin> jsiris:  i fount paritions onsystem settings but i cant do anything there
[12:40] <franklin> yes, it's corret
[12:40] <SlackRat> what *does* the fstab show?
[12:40] <jsiris> franklin: there s a button that says something like "system administrator"
[12:40] <SlackRat> does it show under storage media as an icon?
[12:41] <jsiris>  franklin: fstab shows all partitions including cdroms, dvds, usb-devices, scsi etc.
[12:41] <franklin> SlackRat: yes it show but i cant access
[12:41] <SlackRat> postbin your fstab....u may have to access as root....what filesystem is it?
[12:42] <jsiris> franklin: only root - the system administrator can edit it. that s y you need to click the button in kcontrol, which works as a graphical interface for editing fstab.
[12:42] <SlackRat> or sudo pico /etc/fstab........
[12:43] <jsiris> SlackRat: he might be better off with a graphical interface as a beginner...
[12:43] <robrobrob> \me
[12:43] <franklin> fstab bash: sftab: orden no encontrada
[12:44] <SlackRat> true, but it doesnt hurt to know about it, when the graphical doesnt work....
[12:44] <ronniew> no1 have an idea?
[12:44] <franklin> fstab doenst show anything
[12:44] <SlackRat> actually, i still prefer the graphical way meself. heh
[12:44] <SlackRat> pastebin your fstab
[12:44] <SlackRat> what partition is it for? distro? filesystem??
[12:45] <franklin> bash: sftab: orden no encontrada
[12:45] <eean> franklin: its a file, /etc/fstab
[12:46] <SlackRat> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[12:46] <SlackRat> and copy that and post it to one of the pastebins here or pastebin.ca
[12:48] <SlackRat> or go graphically to /home then use the up arrow to bring you to a root window, then go to etc,,,and find fstab
[12:50] <MadMatt> does anyone have an idea about why my games are skipping frames?
[12:50] <franklin> etc/fstab   there is not hdb4 parititon there
[12:50] <TMM> hey
[12:51] <TMM> aseigo: hey, well, I am getting used to KDE, I think I might even have found some stuff I like :)
[12:51] <SlackRat> u said that already, franklin, what IS there?
[12:51] <Kyral> MadMatt: Could be any number of reasons
[12:52] <Kyral> MadMatt: Computer not powerful enough, something else calling for the CPU (As in the nightly updatedb cronjob)
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> hi somone why my beryl work slowly
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[12:52] <MadMatt> well I installed the nvidia drivers and glxgears skips every 3 seconds
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> with stocks
[12:52] <Kyral> MadMatt: *shrug*
[12:52] <franklin> SlackRat: it's too much to copy and paste
[12:52] <wildchild> hem hem hem ubuntu games
[12:52] <wildchild> why there isn't in repos
[12:52] <wildchild> battle for wesnoth
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <SlackRat> how could it be too much?
[12:53] <SlackRat> how many entires you have? you post it to pastebin so you dont flood the channel here
[12:53] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:54] <SlackRat> wesnoth isnt it repos?
[12:54] <lovloss> how do you enable restricted formats with *k*ubuntu?
[12:55] <lovloss> i cant play dvds, wmvs or mp3s :(
[12:55] <franklin> SlackRat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7413/
[12:55] <wildchild> lovloss: sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[12:55] <sebas_> Hi. Where can i get information about the package linux-restricted-modules? I would like to know exactly what modules are inside the package
[12:56] <dwidmann> !dvd | lovloss
[12:56] <ubotu> lovloss: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:56] <wildchild> lovloss: in your /etc/apt/sources.list enable mulitiverese
[12:56] <wildchild> multiverse*
[12:56] <lovloss> i did enable multiverse... its not finding libxine though
[12:56] <SlackRat> is it a windows ntfs or a linux partition?
[12:56] <wildchild> win
[12:56] <dwidmann> lovloss: did you Update after enabling multiverse?
[12:57] <lovloss> yes
[12:57] <wildchild> lovloss: paste your sources.list
[12:57] <franklin> it's a linux partition made with suse
[12:57] <aseigo> TMM: good to hear =))
[12:57] <lovewig> i am getting this error, but not running anything else that could be tying up my soundcard:ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[12:57] <lovewig> ALSA snd_pcm_open error: Device or resource busy
[12:57] <lovewig> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory
[12:57] <lovloss> !pastebin
[12:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:57] <dwidmann> Note also, there are two or three lines you have to uncomment to enable Multiverse.
[12:57] <heavy666> @Jsiris hast noch ne idee, wie ich das installieren soll ?
[12:57] <SlackRat> do you know if it were reiserfs or ext3 filestystem?
[12:58] <lovewig> only 3 lines lovloss
[12:58] <lovloss> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7414/
[12:58] <lovloss> hmm?
[12:58] <lovloss> what do you mean
[12:58] <franklin> i'm sure it's ext3 paritition
[12:58] <lovewig> oh sorry
[12:58] <dwidmann> lovloss: the line for multiverse isn't there
[12:59] <lovloss> it wasnt there to start with then
[12:59] <SlackRat> look at  entry 6, seems like a root partition for ext3
[12:59] <TMM> aseigo: well, I managed to make most tools stop begging for cookies, and made kontact stop crashing, and some other basic stuff, and, yes... the power is nice... although I still think that the sheer amount of options in konqueror is just insane, and over the top :) I'm going to like dolphin I think :)
[12:59] <wildchild> lovloss: line 16,17
[12:59] <lovloss> all i did was uncomment stuff
[12:59] <SlackRat> which is prolly Suse
[12:59] <wildchild> add multiverse at the and
[12:59] <dwidmann> add multiverse to the end of this line lovloss: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[12:59] <TMM> aseigo: and, I noticed I really missed using konqueror as a webbrowser :)
[12:59] <SlackRat> but the UUID= and all that shouldnt precede it at all
[12:59] <wildchild> lovloss: at the lines 16 and 17 :P
[12:59] <aseigo> TMM: heh.. dolphin: just for you, baby
[01:00] <jsiris> heavy666: ich schaus mir grad nochmal an. warum nimmst du den von freshmeat und nicht von kde-look?
[01:00] <SlackRat> it should look more like /devhdb4 /media/hdb4 ext3 defaults, errors=remount-ro 0     1
[01:01] <lovloss> still doesnt see it...
[01:01] <SlackRat> and the same with the swap under it
[01:01] <dwidmann> lovloss: and you've updated again right?
[01:01] <TMM> aseigo: just have to figure out how to make konqueror never, ever open a new window in webbrowser mode and an adblocker, and I think I might begin to feel at home :)
[01:01] <lovloss> oh >.<
[01:01] <heavy666> kde look gabs grad mal ein lcars theme, hab einfach alles gezogen was mir so unter die finger gekommen ist, aber installiert hab ich noch keins bekommen
[01:02] <lovloss> yep... still cant find it
[01:02] <wildchild> !ge
[01:02] <ubotu>       #ubuntu-ge - ~ For Georgian language support, please join #ubuntu-ge
[01:02] <wildchild> !de
[01:02] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:02] <franklin> SlackRat: before install kubunto i deleted suse parition but kept my home partition, now that paritions is hdb4
[01:02] <jsiris> heavy666: der von freshmeat scheint fr enlightenment zu sein, nicht kde.
[01:02] <heavy666> hab mich schon totgegooglet ;)
[01:02] <dwidmann> TMM: Setting -> configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Advanced Options
[01:02] <Tuumba> !nvidia
[01:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:02] <aseigo> TMM: konqi has an adblocker as of.. um.. 3.5.something. it's in the settings dialog. never opening another window, there are some more settings in the Advanced Options button in the Tabs area
[01:03] <phisco> !ati
[01:03] <heavy666> iis das net ne art widget fr kde ? oder sind die berhaupt net komatibel
[01:03] <dwidmann> TMM: see also, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Adblock Filters
[01:04] <SlackRat> look at this franklin, youre swap was also messed up
[01:04] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7415/
[01:04] <phisco> is it possible to test the driver of a graphic card (something like in point2play)
[01:04] <SlackRat> hdb2 is also commented out.....but ive fixed and edited something that may work
[01:04] <SlackRat> whats hdb2?
[01:05] <lovloss> Guys, its not finding it ....
[01:06] <firstc624> how come the forums from the kubuntu website require a username and password to view?
[01:06] <ozzicle> Anyone have an idea why my keyboard lags when I type, like I have to press and hold a key for it to show up....I killed kaccess and it resolved the issue, but that's a far from satisfactory solution
[01:06] <ozzicle> Anyone have any ideas
[01:06] <lovloss> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7417/   <--- :(
[01:07] <aseigo> ozzicle: go into the accessibilty control panel and turn it off there
[01:07] <dwidmann> The sources list looks fine ... do you have the package name right? It's libxine-extracodecs
[01:07] <aseigo> ozzicle: it can get autoactivated if activation is turned on, though you do get a dialog first and i -thought- that was turned off by default *shrugg8
[01:08] <ozzicle> !
[01:08] <ozzicle> Son of a gun
[01:08] <ozzicle> Thanks
[01:08] <ozzicle> I don't remember seeing that ever come up asking me
[01:08] <ozzicle> I was beating my head for that
[01:08] <ozzicle> Such a stupidly frustrating problem too.
[01:08] <wildchild> I have problem with my screen saver
[01:09] <jsiris> heavy666: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29054
[01:09] <wildchild> it wouldn't start..
[01:09] <lovloss> i got it right... still isnt working ;_;
[01:09] <jsiris> heavy666: erklrt dir, warum du nichts brauchbares findest... sry, vielleicht baut der dude mit dem letzten comment was fr dich zusammen.
[01:09] <SlackRat> looks okay, but another reason to install synaptic, if youre new.......you can add and subtract repos in a gui................much more stable and useable than adept
[01:10] <TMM> ah, much, much better
[01:10] <SlackRat> franklin, and the entries shouldnt be that messy in fstab, should look more like :
[01:10] <firstc624> in kubuntu do you use sudo like in the gnome counterpart?
[01:11] <SlackRat> pastebin.ca
[01:11] <SlackRat> oops
[01:11] <SlackRat>  wait
[01:11] <lovloss> well thanks
[01:11] <KiPSeRoN> somone can help me why my beryl work with stcok
[01:11] <lovloss> oh
[01:11] <KiPSeRoN> stocks
[01:11] <lovloss> how do you do dvds again?:
[01:12] <TMM> aseigo: dwidmann: thanks, this just made my life a lot better :)
[01:12] <heavy666_> re
[01:12] <dwidmann> !dvd | lovloss
[01:12] <ubotu> lovloss: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:12] <lovloss> thanks :3
[01:15] <SlackRat> wtf is wrong with ubuntu pastebin??
[01:17] <franklin> SlackRat: all my HD is a mess up, hdb1is 1kb
[01:17] <SlackRat> first, yes same thing cept for kdesu for gui
[01:17] <SlackRat> you have xp and suse on the box, thats it?
[01:18] <SlackRat> i saw one looked wrong
[01:18] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7420/
[01:18] <SlackRat> check that franklin
[01:18] <franklin> SlackRat: i deleted suse and swap partition before install kubuntu
[01:18] <luca> bye
[01:19] <SlackRat> and ubuntu is installed where?
[01:19] <SlackRat> doesnt look like you wrote your delete to the hard disk
[01:19] <NDPTAL85> What do I have to do to get Flash working on my system?
[01:20] <franklin> i hoped installer take unpartitionated space to install kubuntu and swap
[01:20] <flaccid_> !flash > NDPTAL85
[01:21] <SlackRat> but if suse wasnt properly uninstalled, where did kubuntu isntall??
[01:21] <SlackRat> in what unpartitioned space? free space? it will ask you whether to use it or to partition ti
[01:21] <SlackRat> it
[01:21] <TMM> is there any place to report little irky thingies, inconsistencies mostly?
[01:22] <SlackRat> TMM , such as?
[01:22] <TMM> stuff that is mildly annoying, but not exactly worth filing a fully fledged bugreport about
[01:22] <SlackRat> such as?
[01:22] <TMM> SlackRat: the fact that the menu item in konsole is called 'new shell' while the keyboard shortcut is called 'new session'
[01:22] <kalagio> how can i get in #v4l?
[01:22] <TMM> SlackRat: for instance, I've got more of those kind of things :)
[01:22] <SlackRat> the first bug report was 'theres no distro out there yet like ubuntu"
[01:23] <kalagio> #v4l
[01:23] <crazy_bus> for some reason square zero's have replaced all text in gtk applications.  What should I do?
[01:23] <franklin> SlackRat:  on suse i had 2 partitions "/" and "home", i just deleted "/" and swap
[01:23] <SlackRat> google em, see if theres a fix, or reconfig....and if its not working you can try a bug report
[01:23] <Sanne> kalagio: type: /j #v4l
[01:23] <NDPTAL85> Hrm anyone have any experience with this? http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html
[01:23] <TMM> SlackRat: how can I 'fix' that? that's not something that can be configured :)
[01:23] <SlackRat> it was still there, franklin.......people here arent psychic.....what are you running now, and where?
[01:24] <lovloss> would libqt3-headers give me all i need to program in qt3? anyone know?
[01:24] <franklin> i'm on kubuntu,
[01:24] <SlackRat> heh, i dont even see "new console' where are you seeing that
[01:25] <TMM> SlackRat: no, 'new shell' and 'new session'
[01:25] <Sanne> lovloss: you need some *-dev package, most likely libqt3-mt-dev
[01:25] <SlackRat> in session menu, is new shell, right
[01:25] <TMM> SlackRat: session > new shell but the keyboard shortcut is marked 'new session'
[01:25] <lovloss> okay, so *devs are libraries
[01:26] <lovloss> i need th e headers too right?
[01:26] <TMM> lovloss: the -dev packages are the headers
[01:26] <lovloss> why is there a *-header file then?
[01:26] <TMM> lovloss: wha?
[01:26] <lovloss> libqt3-headers - Qt3 header files
[01:27] <lovloss> there is, however , a libqt3-mt-dev
[01:27] <SlackRat> probably cause its referring to a new session IN the new shell
[01:27] <TMM> lovloss: interesting libqt3-mt-dev
[01:27] <TMM> SlackRat: no, it does the same thing
[01:27] <lovloss> so mt-dev is the good one?
[01:27] <Sanne> lovloss: *-dev packages are the development headers for the corresponding lib, installed mostly in /usr/include. I don't know about the libqt3-headers, but I think it shouldn't hurt to install them also.
[01:27] <TMM> lovloss: yes, it looks like libqt3-headers is some sort of transitional thing
[01:27] <lovloss> oh
[01:28] <SlackRat> theres barely a thing in unix you cant change, if you wanna waste time redoing and recoding and ....reinventing the wheel
[01:28] <SlackRat> we get used to unix , it doesn t generally get used to us
[01:28] <mizraim> que onda
[01:28] <TMM> lovloss: it's a meta package, it depends on libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-dev, libqt3-plugins-headers
[01:28] <mizraim> alguien sabe como le puedo hacer para
[01:28] <SlackRat> find and donwload The Unix Haters Handbook, for a few laughs at how the guys who invented unix complain about it
[01:28] <lovloss> i might get a bundle then, if i use aptitude
[01:28] <flaccid_> as for linux, we fork it hard for no reason
[01:28] <mizraim> poder activar mi wireles
[01:28] <TMM> SlackRat: I've read it :)
[01:29] <TMM> SlackRat: I'm not new to unix :P this is just a KDE inconsistency, and I wondered if some KDE devs cared or not
[01:29] <SlackRat> heh, so you know, you can either a) reinvent konsole and rewrite it and debug it
[01:29] <TMM> I'll just compile a list and dump it on -devel
[01:29] <SlackRat> or live with it, lol
[01:29] <flaccid_> TMM: whats the inconsitency
[01:29] <lovloss> WOAH, not only do i get every single qt3 header, but it automatically gievs me MESA and qt4 ;D
[01:29] <lovloss> i assume mesa means i can fiddle with opengl?
[01:29] <SlackRat> thats a kde dev issue tho
[01:29] <flaccid_> whats the issue
[01:30] <Sanne> lovloss: I have both packages installed
[01:30] <TMM> flaccid_: session > new shell. but, the keyboard shortcut is called 'new session' which made it hard for me to find
[01:30] <lovloss> Sanne - how does mesa work?
[01:30] <TMM> Sanne: no surprise, you get libqt3-mt-dev 'for free' if you install -headers :)
[01:30] <SlackRat> he doesnt like that in one menu a new session is called a new shell under another menu on konsole
[01:30] <lovloss> its giving me a gazillion things
[01:30] <lovloss> bring it on, dev, i got the space XD
[01:31] <SlackRat> youre basically complaining that sometimes its called terminal , sometimes console , sometimes wtf....
[01:31] <flaccid_> TMM: so keyboard shortcut for new shell tab is called new session?
[01:31] <Sanne> TWM: no, it only resommends libqt3-mt-dev (I'm on dapper, if that changes anything)
[01:31] <TMM> SlackRat: if you want to change the keyboard shortcut for something, labeled as 'something' in the menu, wouldn't you look for a keyboard shortcut named 'something' and not 'thisthing' ?
[01:31] <lovloss> I wish this thing had karel headers so i could make everyone's favorite stupid robot run around
[01:31] <Sanne> lovloss: sorry, I don't know how mesa works ;)
[01:31] <TMM> flaccid_: yes, and not 'new shell' like in the menu, which is confusing :)
[01:31] <lovloss> sanne - oh ok ^_^
[01:31] <flaccid_> TMM i agree
[01:31] <crazy_bus> here's a screenshot of the weird text in gtk apps http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=numberic4.jpg
[01:31] <flaccid_> the names don't match
[01:31] <phisco> does somone know how to test the capabilities of a 3d gc in linux?
[01:32] <flaccid_> plus konsole calls a session the whole instance
[01:32] <flaccid_> so a new session should open an entirely new konsole, not a shell tab
[01:32] <SlackRat> so he says, i dont usually use key configs , i fire up from kde or cli
[01:32] <TMM> lovloss: mesa is the GL implementation of linux, it doesnt 'work' like anything, you just have to learn openGL programming :)
[01:32] <SlackRat> but no, i dont expect all of unix to work like i wouldve had it work if i designed it
[01:32] <lovloss> TMM - But that means i can access open gl #includes :)
[01:32] <flaccid_> its just a naming error, you could file it as a bug imo
[01:33] <SlackRat> yeah, there are no bugs too small, i said that
[01:33] <SlackRat> but thats a kde bug if its konsole
[01:33] <TMM> flaccid_: I don't care :) as long as the things are labeled the same for the same action! I don't care if it is called 'superwhizbang2k' as long as the menu item and the config screen for keyboard shortcuts are the same :)
[01:33] <flaccid_> luckily this is minor
[01:33] <flaccid_> far worse things to find hehe
[01:33] <SlackRat> so file a bug report
[01:33] <SlackRat> lol, flaccid
[01:33] <flaccid_> TMM: i totally agree
[01:33] <SlackRat> to kde
[01:33] <flaccid_> i take your approach all the time
[01:33] <TMM> but, I've found like 10 of these weird little inconsistencies alread ;)
[01:34] <SlackRat> the longer i run distros the more i see the problems are in the original apps that make up the distro
[01:34] <SlackRat> all kde apps, file em a report
[01:34] <flaccid_> TMM: raise them with #kde and their communication channels. that would be a good little report f you ask me
[01:34] <lovloss> I wonder how feisty will be. we're calling it feisty herd under kubuntu right?
[01:34] <TMM> I'm running feisty now
[01:34] <lovloss> TMM but isnt that beta?
[01:34] <SlackRat> lmao, i could probably come up with 30 more if you gave me ten minutes
[01:34] <TMM> yeah, dissapointingly stable
[01:35] <flaccid_> i find there to be a range of kde bugs that present, but the most is ubuntus implementation thats the problem
[01:35] <cpk1> oh boy
[01:35] <lovloss> TMM lol well thats kind of good too
[01:35] <cpk1> I think 5k+ might have been too many files for krename
[01:35] <SlackRat> well, it gets more complicated when they reinvent kcontrol as another app but kcontrol is also under the hood
[01:35] <lovloss> Im switching to feisty in may, so it will have plenty of time to fully stabalize. Besides, i just reinstalled yesterday. miffed my files up
[01:35] <coreymon77> und still wont work
[01:36] <SlackRat> its one reason i do most of my work on slack.....the packages remain closer to the upstream sources
[01:36] <Sanne> cpk1: there's a cli app named rename, maybe that one will cope ;)
[01:36] <coreymon77> and i need to to know if my new sound card works
[01:36] <SlackRat> no nifty tweaks on stuff that works fine already
[01:36] <TMM> so, is amarok an official kde app? :)
[01:36] <lovloss> it has a 'k'
[01:36] <TMM> well, if it is, I wonder if KDE has a hig :)
[01:36] <SlackRat> no, i think amarok is amarok, check under the HELP docs for background or on amarok  under help/about
[01:37] <cpk1> Sanne: well it hasnt crashed *yet* but it doesnt seem to be doing anything other than eat cycles =P
[01:37] <TMM> it feels completely alien :)
[01:37] <cpk1> I believe in it
[01:37] <SlackRat> probably made for kde, but not by kde
[01:37] <Sanne> cpk1: ha... give it some time :)
[01:37] <lovloss> did kde used to be proprietary? someone told me it did but i dont know the story
[01:38] <flaccid_> lovloss: never has. qt was non-free prior to 2000
[01:38] <SlackRat> the qt toolset its built on was
[01:38] <lovloss> aha i see
[01:38] <TMM> qt had the weird ass qpl license
[01:38] <SlackRat> till pressure from OSS people and debian made them open source a version of their tools and libs
[01:38] <TMM> yeah, debian wouldn't ship QT
[01:38] <SlackRat> yeah, still does for proprietary projects, but theres the OS one now
[01:38] <flaccid_> where the pressure came from is arguable, SlackRat
[01:38] <SlackRat> for years already
[01:39] <flaccid_> i'mgoing to get milk
[01:39] <SlackRat> came from many places......
[01:39] <lovloss> i really like kde. i had used gnome and it just feels more fun :3
[01:39] <TMM> flaccid_: users, the fsf, harmony and debian
[01:39] <SlackRat> i think debian got the most militant about it at the time, could double check the history again
[01:39] <lovloss> linus torvald said he thought kde was best ^_^ or at least i was told
[01:39] <TMM> funny thing, with the name 'harmony' it is the second time that a project set out to reimplement a proprietary product under that name was canceled because the proprietary product suddenly became GPL :)
[01:39] <SlackRat> recent flame war on that lately.....nasty words tween linux and gnome
[01:40] <flaccid_> still arguable but at least thats a few more people
[01:40] <coreymon77> i need to get my sound working
[01:40] <coreymon77> can anyone help?
[01:40] <flaccid_> i friend of mine is forking gnu gpl. its pretty coo
[01:40] <clau85> when trying to update from dapper to edgy from the alternate-CD, I get "can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk"
[01:40] <SlackRat> i cant hear you core, could you turn your sound up?
[01:40] <TMM> flaccid_: slack wouldn't ship it either, so, that would be about 80% of linux users that wouldn't have gotten access to QT on linux
[01:40] <SlackRat> :-P
[01:40] <SlackRat> yeah....
[01:40] <lovloss> They're going to review the GPL soon.  I just care that the gpl doesnt get tarnished
[01:41] <SlackRat> some heavy lobby power
[01:41] <coreymon77> can anyone help?
[01:41] <cpk1> cmon krename you can do it
[01:41] <flaccid_> TMM: you seem to forget bsd/unix users...
[01:41] <lovloss> sound working, coreymon?
[01:42] <coreymon77> nope
[01:42] <lovloss> hmm
[01:42] <SlackRat> they have their own license
[01:42] <coreymon77> i got a new card
[01:42] <TMM> although, having a SunOS kernel with a stable ABI would probably result in more binary-only drivers, so I'd prefer linux actually
[01:42] <lovloss> *turns you over to the smarter guys:)*
[01:42] <TMM> flaccid_: and, in 2000 exactly how many people were using bsd's as workstations? :)
[01:42] <flaccid_> i prefer freebsd over it all
[01:42] <coreymon77> the smarter guys arent answering
[01:42] <SlackRat> imo, distros like mepis shouldve been flamed long before they were
[01:42] <lovloss> i know
[01:42] <lovloss> guys?
[01:42] <SlackRat> for mucking with the GPL
[01:42] <flaccid_> TMM: quite a large deal
[01:42] <lovloss> coremon's sound isnt working ^_^
[01:43] <TMM> flaccid_: as workstations? I doubt that
[01:43] <flaccid_> TMM: thats ignorance for ya
[01:43] <SlackRat> kmix, are the volumes up? and not muted?
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Gotta love Mepis... Lets use all the ubuntu stuff.. and not let them use our fancy features...   :)
[01:43] <TMM> flaccid_: well, at least I'm persistant :)
[01:43] <flaccid_> freebsd is great for desktop and has been since 1995
[01:43] <SlackRat> their fancy features are proprietary
[01:43] <coreymon77> i got a new card (which turned out to be crappier than the old one) so that i could fix my problems
[01:43] <lovloss> hmm
[01:43] <SlackRat> and they wouldnt release source code, said it put a financial burden on lil distros
[01:43] <TMM> flaccid_: no, it isn't, I tried it
[01:44] <coreymon77> so i need help
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Of course with out the fancy features... theres no reason to use mepis... not that theres much of a reason to use them anyway
[01:44] <SlackRat> now theyre hijacking the ubuntu work
[01:44] <lovloss> coreymon, #ubuntu is sometimes a good place to ask
[01:44] <flaccid_> TMM: thats you, not me and not the rest of the users in this world that did
[01:44] <SlackRat> lol, Dr WIllis
[01:44] <coreymon77> lovloss: why, this is kubuntu
[01:44] <flaccid_> its only you. and thats all that matters to people these days
[01:44] <lovloss> coreymon77: Same thing really, different gui
[01:44] <TMM> flaccid_: well, I suppose so :) I really disliked ports
[01:45] <clau85> any idea what this means?
[01:45] <clau85> when trying to update from dapper to edgy from the alternate-CD, I get "can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk"
[01:45] <TMM> flaccid_: and, I am not ditching freebsd as such :) It's a great OS, and the community around it is great, it just didn't work for me
[01:45] <flaccid_> TMM: that explains most of it....
[01:45] <SlackRat> yea, and the sound problem is prolly kde related
[01:45] <flaccid_> freebsd is not for linux users who expect things to be done for them. its for real computing people
[01:45] <SlackRat> im bi-distral
[01:45] <TMM> flaccid_: I'm just addicted to apt-get :)
[01:45] <SlackRat> bsd and linux
[01:45] <SlackRat> heh
[01:46] <flaccid_> TMM: im addicted to ports
[01:46] <SlackRat> have you tried ports?
[01:46] <flaccid_> i'm a freebsd user
[01:46] <lovloss> I like apt-get a lot XD
[01:46] <flaccid_> not kubuntu
[01:46] <Sanne> clau85: I found this, maybe it helps? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/67999
[01:46] <flaccid_> i just help here
[01:46] <TMM> flaccid_: how? why? when? ports is just an agonisingly slow version of apt-get :)
[01:46] <SlackRat> i do a speedball mainline of apt and ports
[01:46] <SlackRat> pkg_add isnt tho
[01:46] <flaccid_> TMM: you really have no idea do you
[01:46] <coreymon77> guys, can you help me?
[01:46] <cpk1> woot Sanne it finished! =D
[01:46] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  huh?
[01:46] <Dr_willis> power loss!!
[01:46] <coreymon77> my sound is not working
[01:46] <lovloss> *doesnt have any idea* apt-get works well enough
[01:46] <Dr_willis> bbl! power going out here
[01:46] <TMM> flaccid_: ports is just a huge dir with makefiles in, that download sources, have dependencies and patches in, isn't it?
[01:46] <lovloss> for me
[01:47] <Sanne> cpk1: ahh, see? Sometimes you just need faith ;)
[01:47] <SlackRat> corey, did you answer my question?
[01:47] <flaccid_> TMM: its far more than that
[01:47] <TMM> flaccid_: some rsync magic thrown in for good measure
[01:47] <Tibmol> how can i read the log files on console ?
[01:47] <Tibmol> what shoul i type ?
[01:47] <cpk1> only took 20 minutes lol
[01:47] <flaccid_> and you don't see the benefits and reason for it so i'd be wasting my breathe
[01:47] <coreymon77> SlackRat: question?
[01:47] <TMM> flaccid_: what more is it then? perhaps I just don't 'get' it :)
[01:47] <flaccid_> TMM: more ignorance heh
[01:47] <lovloss> break it up you guys >.< yeesh
[01:47] <SlackRat> you keep saying help me, when someone refers to your question you dont answer
[01:48] <flaccid_> a practical example would be. new kde comes out and goes to ports. people on ubuntu have to dist-upgrade and prey...
[01:48] <TMM> flaccid_: I don't like to ge ignorant, I came to this conclusion entirely by putting freebsd on my machine and forcing myself to work with it for a month, so I don't think calling me 'ignorant' is very fair
[01:48] <SlackRat> are the kmix volumes all un muted and up
[01:48] <flaccid_> TMM: ok its not fair
[01:48] <Tibmol> how can i read the log files on console ?
[01:48] <Tibmol> what shoul i type ?
[01:48] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes
[01:48] <lovloss> OS wars are silly. the only thing we should bash is micro$oft
[01:48] <SlackRat> cat /whatever log files you wanna read?
[01:48] <flaccid_> us freebsd users just do portupgrade
[01:48] <lovloss> >:)
[01:48] <coreymon77> SlackRat: please put my name before anything you say to help me
[01:49] <coreymon77> os i know its for me
[01:49] <SlackRat> have you gone to sound & multimedia in kde s control center
[01:49] <TMM> flaccid_: don't the freebsd people have to portupgrade and pray in exactly the same manner?
[01:49] <TMM> flaccid_: just, longer? :)
[01:49] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes
[01:49] <SlackRat> in too many conversations to keep typing your name
[01:49] <SlackRat> what happened in kde control?
[01:49] <coreymon77> SlackRat: tab completion
[01:49] <flaccid_> TMM: you never had to use ports anyway. you could just do pkg_add -r packagename to add the pre-compiled package from the internet
[01:49] <SlackRat> do you get a test sound?
[01:49] <Sanne> Tibmol: or (so you can scroll): less /path/to/log
[01:49] <flaccid_> TMM: no we dont.
[01:49] <SlackRat> d;uh.....
[01:50] <coreymon77> type it once, and then you can just press tab and it will type it again for you
[01:50] <SlackRat> no kidding......
[01:50] <flaccid_> like i said freebsd is for real computing people. not high level linux users who are used to packaging.
[01:50] <coreymon77> SlackRat: no i did not get test sound
[01:50] <TMM> flaccid_: but, what's the difference between doing a portupgrade and an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:50] <SlackRat> when i ask a question, i tend to pay attention
[01:50] <TMM> flaccid_: why is portupgrade better?
[01:50] <SlackRat> not wait for my name to light up
[01:50] <clau85> Sanne: that didn't help :(
[01:50] <flaccid_> TMM: there are many i don't feel like wasting my time getting into it
[01:51] <TMM> flaccid_: I'd really like to know
[01:51] <SlackRat> do you get a sound when you hit test sound button?
[01:51] <coreymon77> SlackRat: no
[01:51] <SlackRat> what is the device for sound?
[01:51] <flaccid_> all packaging systems have their issues. it would be stupid to make comparisons on this leve
[01:51] <SlackRat> autodetect?
[01:51] <coreymon77> yes
[01:51] <Sanne> clau85: oh, sorry to hear that. I don't know otherwise, I just googled your error message, sorry.
[01:51] <soulrider> hi
[01:51] <soulrider> !es
[01:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:51] <SlackRat> try alsa,....and apply
[01:51] <SlackRat> or OpenSound
[01:51] <TMM> flaccid_: fair enough, but, I really did come to this conclusion by trying it, I am not just being a parrot here :)
[01:51] <SlackRat> and see if you get sounds on test sound
[01:51] <clau85> Sanne: thanks anyway
[01:52] <Sanne> clau85: you're welcome
[01:52] <flaccid_> the big difference is apt-get is installing packages. ports is compiling. did you even know that?
[01:52] <TMM> flaccid_: I even upgraded to -CURRENT to get iwi to work for my wireless nic :)
[01:52] <clau85> I'll google it further
[01:52] <flaccid_> i'm going to get my milk now
[01:52] <lovloss> *new subject* feisty fawn needs a really sultry anthropomorphic fawn logo. >:D
[01:52] <TMM> flaccid_: I knew that :) that is why it is slow
[01:52] <SlackRat> im getting coffee.......brb. coreymon77
[01:52] <flaccid_> TMM: but you don't even know why you are compiling....
[01:52] <flaccid_> this is the problem
[01:52] <flaccid_> i have to go
[01:52] <TMM> flaccid_: but, because everyone compiles with the same compiler flags and settings, there's no real point, because the binaries on all machines should be the same
[01:53] <lovloss> i think when you compuile on your computer specifically it woorks better for you, TMM
[01:53] <coreymon77> SlackRat: nothing
[01:53] <TMM> only if you set your compiler to USE the features of your machine
[01:53] <flaccid_> TMM: but what everyone has installled as its deps is different.
[01:53] <lovloss> perhaps bsd has that capability
[01:53] <TMM> if I compile a binary on *any* ubuntu 6.10 machine, the binaries will be identical
[01:54] <TMM> flaccid_: doesn't ports just pull in the dependencies itself as well?
[01:54] <cpk1> unless they are running 64bit
[01:54] <flaccid_> this is why im not going to waste my time explaining it all. you can read about this on the net. i don't need to explain
[01:54] <flaccid_> TMM: what i'm saying is that the deps i have installed may be different versions to the next user
[01:54] <flaccid_> so something pre-compiled is not always going to help at all
[01:54] <flaccid_> thus the build
[01:54] <flaccid_> there is loads more
[01:54] <flaccid_> but i have to get milk ok?
[01:54] <TMM> flaccid_: have fun :)
[01:55] <SlackRat> getting milk is fun?
[01:56] <SlackRat> coreymon77: anything yet?
[01:56] <coreymon77> nothing
[01:56] <SlackRat> did you just install? or did you have sound and lost it ?
[01:56] <coreymon77> had sound and lost it
[01:56] <SlackRat> when?
[01:57] <coreymon77> that was the cards fault though
[01:57] <coreymon77> it happened about 2 weeks ago
[01:57] <SlackRat> it died?
[01:57] <coreymon77> i replaced the card
[01:57] <coreymon77> yup
[01:57] <SlackRat> is the new card SECURELY inserted and fastened?
[01:57] <coreymon77> yup
[01:58] <SlackRat> k....have you checked google for that model and any kubuntu kde related problems
[01:58] <SlackRat> >
[01:58] <SlackRat> ?
[01:58] <coreymon77> its the same card
[01:58] <SlackRat> see, on konsole if you can get alsaconf running
[01:58] <SlackRat> sudo alsaconf
[01:59] <SlackRat> one problem atm is that the kubuntu forums are down
[01:59] <dsmith_> hmmmm well I'll be
[02:00] <SlackRat> unless you read german
[02:00] <dsmith_> office 2003 does work w/ crossover
[02:00] <cpk1> that used to be all crossover did
[02:00] <SlackRat> dsmith, is that a bug or a feature?
[02:00] <dsmith_> for me a feature
[02:00] <SlackRat> heh
[02:00] <dsmith_> I am closing the gap to migrating away from windoze
[02:01] <coreymon77> alsaconf: command not found
[02:01] <SlackRat> im actually more comfortable with OO than MS now
[02:01] <cpk1> you mean alsamixer?
[02:01] <dsmith_> SlackRat: I am as well
[02:01] <SlackRat> ok corey, install alsa-utils......
[02:01] <SlackRat> do you have synaptic, corey?
[02:01] <coreymon77> you mean adept?
[02:01] <the_hammer> hey all anyone have a link for the 3.5.6 instructions?
[02:02] <dsmith_> this was just proof of concept to myself so I can learn for myself
[02:02] <SlackRat> no, synaptic
[02:02] <SlackRat> more features and gui options than adept
[02:02] <coreymon77> SlackRat: already have them
[02:02] <cpk1> meh, just use aptitude =P
[02:02] <SlackRat> you want to try and load up alsa modules, alsa pkgs.....a few
[02:02] <dsmith_> synaptic is nicer
[02:02] <SlackRat> so you can run alsaconf to set up ur card
[02:03] <SlackRat> synaptic is much nicer
[02:03] <dsmith_> *nOD*
[02:03] <dsmith_> remember NOD vs GDI?
[02:03] <dsmith_> :P
[02:03] <SlackRat> adept is like replacing kcontrol with system settings.....pointless
[02:03] <SlackRat> heh
[02:03] <julle> How do i bring up the kdm theme manager?
[02:04] <dsmith_> they should take synaptic, color it blue and call it kynaptic
[02:04] <SlackRat> coreymon77: sudo apt-get synaptic
[02:04] <dsmith_> :P
[02:04] <SlackRat> they did at one point
[02:04] <cpk1> julle: install kdmtheme first
[02:04] <dsmith_> oh really?
[02:04] <SlackRat> it faded away in later releases
[02:04] <dsmith_> oh damn
[02:04] <julle> cpk1: ok thx
[02:04] <SlackRat> less features than synaptic, they tinkered with it too much
[02:05] <dsmith_> KISS
[02:05] <SlackRat> or just never fully adopted it to kde
[02:05] <julle> cpk1: ok got it
[02:05] <SlackRat> heh, KISS is the slackware motto
[02:05] <coreymon77> SlackRat: what alsa packages do you want me to get
[02:05] <rforce> m
[02:05] <orient2000> Hi! Is there any way to send e-mail from console using line commands?
[02:05] <julle> cpk1: how do i bring it up now?
[02:05] <dsmith_> i just removed ubuntu and xubuntu desktops on this machine
[02:05] <SlackRat> i generally make sure i have alsa , alsa utils , alsa tools ,alsa headers, alsa drivers
[02:05] <dsmith_> i was using them as demo's
[02:06] <cpk1> julle: kmenu > run command and run kdmtheme
[02:06] <julle> ok thx
[02:06] <SlackRat> even some of the alsa driver s for OpenSound.....you can skip Jack for the moment.......
[02:06] <coreymon77> SlackRat: what alsa packages do you want me to get?
[02:06] <SlackRat> just told you a bunch
[02:06] <SlackRat> ill give you the list i have installed
[02:07] <julle> cpk1: great thank you for your help!
[02:07] <linuxgoober> can someone tell me what is wrong with my grub configuration? http://pastebin.ca/370991
[02:07] <orient2000> there is no kdmtheme on my system, why?
[02:07] <cpk1> julle: yup, you can get themes from kde-look.org and can usually install them from that menu without having to untar them or anything
[02:07] <cpk1> because you need to install it
[02:07] <TMM> linuxgoober: that depends a bit on what you expect it to do
[02:08] <SlackRat> alsa.....base , utils,  libesd-alsa.....
[02:08] <SlackRat> libpt plugins alsa
[02:08] <linuxgoober> everything works but booting windows xp pro
[02:08] <SlackRat> libsdl debian alsa
[02:08] <cpk1> you dont need libesd-alsa on kde...
[02:08] <soulrider> linuxgoober: hold on a sec
[02:08] <TMM> linuxgoober: on line 35 you don't have a title block, also, you should move it down
[02:08] <SlackRat> sometimes esd is the only sound that works on some distros
[02:08] <draik> Does anyone here run frostwire with Beryl Window Manager
[02:08] <draik> ?
[02:08] <SlackRat> linux sound base
[02:09] <TMM> linuxgoober: on line 170, you have title=windows xp, loose the '='
[02:09] <TMM> linuxgoober: do you know what you have to do?
[02:09] <SlackRat> alsamixer gui could be nice
[02:09] <julle> cpk1: yeah i just did that :D
[02:09] <linuxgoober> no, what do i need to do on line 35?
[02:09] <Linux_Galore> draik: Beryl is still classified as unstable and you will have issues
[02:09] <SlackRat> alsatools, if i didnt mention that one
[02:10] <soulrider> draik: frostwire is a java application
[02:10] <draik> Linux_Galore: Ok. So then I'm just s.o.l
[02:10] <soulrider> beryl jas issues with java applications, it just doesnt load the buttons and stuff
[02:10] <soulrider> youll have to disable beryl to use frostwire
[02:10] <SlackRat> and check the info on alsa firmware loaders to see if your card is there
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> draik: especially if its a java app because thats not been done yet
[02:10] <draik> soulrider: I know. It runs with the default window manager, but not Beryl
[02:10] <Blu3> how do i fix the renice error with adept so updates will commit?  initial install and update of packages
[02:10] <SlackRat> are you on synaptic now?
[02:10] <draik> Linux_Galore: Ok. I think I finally understand this. Thank you Linux_Galore
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> draik: most people forget Beryl is work in progress
[02:12] <draik> Linux_Galore: obviously I have :P
[02:12] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes i am
[02:13] <coreymon77> and most of those packages i already have
[02:13] <velle> I have an offtopic prob, I had a file distributed as rar foo.part001.rar, foo.part002.rar etc, i extracted them by typing "rar e foo.part* .", whereas i think i should have typed "rar e foo.part* bar". Now it has all been extracted, but each file has been extracted to a file of the same name. I now need to concatenate all these files together. How do I do that?
[02:13] <SlackRat> so youll see a desription of firmware loader, see if one is your hardware
[02:13] <SlackRat> if so install it
[02:13] <orient2000> I had some problems during kdmtheme installation
[02:13] <orient2000> Reading package lists... Done
[02:13] <orient2000> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:13] <orient2000> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:13] <orient2000>   kdmtheme
[02:13] <coreymon77> except for alsa-tools alsamixer-gui and alsa-firmware-loader
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> draik: with Java moving to an open license things should start working
[02:13] <SlackRat> and hit apply to find out what its gonna download........what do you mean except?
[02:14] <draik> linux_
[02:14] <saunders> berel agl? is this easy to get installed is it wise to install this gys?
[02:14] <orient2000> sorry  for this paste http://pastebin.ca/raw/371006
[02:14] <saunders> xgl*
[02:14] <SlackRat> you dont have those in your repositories?
[02:14] <draik> !beryl | saunders
[02:14] <coreymon77> yes
[02:14] <ubotu> saunders: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:14] <coreymon77> i do
[02:14] <coreymon77> and im installing them now
[02:14] <saunders> thanks :)
[02:14] <bxnp-sleep> saunder, just keep your system and leave beryl allone who needs beryl anyway to get those nice moving windows etc etc :)
[02:14] <coreymon77> i could have also used apt you know
[02:15] <coreymon77> anyways
[02:15] <SlackRat> when all that alsa nonsense is installed.....you should get a response for sudo alsaconf
[02:15] <coreymon77> i now have the packages
[02:15] <SlackRat> which will walk you thru a card setup
[02:15] <draik> Linux_Galore: I hope it all works out. I really love beryl. I find it much more efficient to do work. Escpecially since I remote to my friend's computer quite a bit
[02:15] <SlackRat> and then put the sound server in kde control to either autodetect or alsa
[02:16] <coreymon77> still nothing
[02:16] <SlackRat> and quite often? you ll need to log out to let them run......alsaconf provides nothing?
[02:16] <coreymon77> alsaconf still give me nothing
[02:17] <SlackRat> k, hold on....
[02:17] <saunders> where cani download beryl?
[02:17] <saunders> how install beryl?
[02:18] <SlackRat> you on dapper or edgy?
[02:18] <crazy_bus> I'm using kubuntu but for some reason all gtk apps have rectangles instead of letters.  What should I do?  here is a screenshot http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=numberic4.jpg
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> draik: the remote stuff is nothing to do with Beryl
[02:18] <coreymon77> edgy
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> draik: Beryl is basically fancy window dressing
[02:19] <Tuumba> !nvidia
[02:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:20] <draik> Linux_Galore: No no no... I like beryl because I can go around my cube from his desktop (desktop A) to Firefox (desktop B) to amaroK (desktop C) to Konversation (desktop D)
[02:20] <saunders> how do i get set up with beryl please?
[02:21] <SlackRat> did you update edgy recently?
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> crazy_bus: on kcontrol there is thing to Apply kde fonts to GTK (Gnome) Apps
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> in*
[02:21] <crazy_bus> yes
[02:21] <BluesKaj> err draik, still the pc ...what so wonderful about that ?
[02:22] <coreymon77> SlackRat: ya, but my sound broke atleast a week and a half after
[02:22] <crazy_bus> use my kde fonts and kde theme are both selected
[02:23] <SlackRat> well we have two problems.......ubuntu claims alsaconf isnt necessary according to  a number of forum posts...then check this link.....
[02:23] <SlackRat> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/virtual/alsaconf
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> draik: actually the cube effect also works without Beryl, its actually code from another project called 3ddesktop
[02:23] <bengt_> anyone got time to help with some usb wlan dongle problems? :]  spent hours doing guides and reading faqs.. no luck
[02:24] <Adydas> is there a list of MS prodcuts wine can support?
[02:24] <SlackRat> but with apt, or synapt, all those dependencies shouldve been installed with alsa-utils
[02:24] <SlackRat> do you get anything with alsamixer, on command line?
[02:24] <coreymon77> i already had alsa-utils
[02:24] <coreymon77> yes
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> Adydas: look on the wine home page
[02:24] <Hirvinen> Adydas: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[02:25] <SlackRat> you see the next page on that link...? do you have dialog and all those deps installed?
[02:25] <bengt_> does anyone know why my wlan0 isn't set, even though KInfoCenter lists my Netgear WLAN USB adapter among the USB devices?
[02:25] <SlackRat> (which shouldve apted automagically....... :S
[02:25] <saunders> wtf is katapult?
[02:26] <draik> I used 3ddesktop
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> bengt_: just because it can see the device doesnt mean it will work
[02:26] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes, i have alsa-utils and all of its dep
[02:26] <coreymon77> s
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> saunders: its a simple application launcher
[02:26] <saunders> thanks
[02:26] <SlackRat> see if alsamixer runs
[02:26] <SlackRat> on command line
[02:26] <coreymon77> it does
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> saunders: usually you trigger it with  alt+space
[02:26] <bengt_> Linux_Galore: i know, but i can't get anything to work. tried ndiswrapper and prism2_usb
[02:26] <saunders> how can i find out if i have all the latest drivers for my motherboard etc etc ?
[02:27] <saunders> and how do u use katapult
[02:27] <bengt_> Linux_Galore: ndiswrapper -l says driver present, but nothing about hw...
[02:27] <FordPrefect_NZ> hiya. when i activate the mac-os like menu bar option, i get the menu bar at the top and a empty non-editable grey bar underneath it. how can i remove the intrusive grey bar? thanks in advance :-)
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> saunders: just run it,  then press alt+space bar
[02:27] <SlackRat> corey, is everything unmuted there?
[02:27] <coreymon77> yes
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> saunders: the rest is obvious
[02:28] <SlackRat> PCM ?
[02:28] <saunders>  linux_galore i have run it i just get a picture
[02:28] <saunders> of a slong shot then it goes :S....
[02:28] <saunders> sling*
[02:28] <coreymon77> yes
[02:28] <saunders> aint obvious to me tho lol
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> saunders: ok type the first few letters of an applications name  ie  konq  for konqueror then  hit enter
[02:28] <SlackRat> use the arrow key and make sure PC Speakers all the way to the right is up too
[02:28] <Sanne> saunders: usually the linux kernel loads all necessary drivers for your hardware, except proprietary drivers like nvidia or ati video. Those you would have to instal manually.
[02:29] <julle> i have problems with my sources.list. When i do apt-get update is hangs at 99% waiting for headers
[02:29] <saunders> wicked thanks linux galore
[02:29] <saunders> i like it! lol
[02:29] <NDPBG4> Man
[02:29] <coreymon77> yes
[02:29] <coreymon77> its at 87
[02:29] <NDPBG4> Do you guys know about EasyUbuntu?
[02:29] <saunders> sanne: thanks
[02:29] <BluesKaj> !EasyUbuntu
[02:29] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[02:29] <SlackRat> k.......see if any of this sounds familiar, its a bug report
[02:30] <SlackRat> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/23180
[02:30] <SlackRat> man problem here, is im on dapper.......
[02:30] <NDPowerBook> I just used it and it installed all the video codecs you need and ati/nvidia drivers and you don't even have to edit any source lists.
[02:30] <crazy_bus> is there anything I can do to restore the fonts.  Because gtk apps are set to use kde fonts but they still wont work
[02:30] <SlackRat> so dunno what edgys problems are
[02:30] <NDPowerBook> It can even install Microsoft fonts
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: do you have two audio devices  ie on board sound and a pci card ?
[02:31] <SlackRat> do I ? no, its coreymon77's question
[02:31] <SlackRat> i have onboard only
[02:31] <coreymon77> i have pci only
[02:31] <SlackRat> hmn, what brand?
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> if you have two sound devices some times you have to define the default or nothing happens
[02:31] <coreymon77> creativ labs sound blaster
[02:32] <Sanne> saunders: you can check which kernel modules (= drivers) are loaded currently by typing 'lsmod' in konsole. The hardware the kernel recognized can be shown for example by 'lspci' or 'lspci -v' or 'lshw', or by studying the kernel log (less /var/log/kern.log).
[02:33] <SlackRat> well, first check over that bug report......and start digging into edgy sound problems soundblaster...........before that, see what happens if you type 'sudo artswrapper'
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> type   sudo asoundconf list   to check your available sound chipsets
[02:33] <saunders> so just type in ismod in konsole?
[02:33] <SlackRat> good news is artsd for kde sound is going inversion four, its a nightmare
[02:33] <saunders> or is their other commands to type in
[02:33] <saunders> ?
[02:33] <Sanne> saunders: lsmod (with an 'el')
[02:33] <saunders> el?
[02:33] <julle> What todo when apt-get update hangs at 99% ?
[02:34] <Sanne> saunders: lsmod, not ismod
[02:34] <saunders> i dont understand im completlely new to this
[02:34] <SlackRat> and like Linux-G just said type   sudo asoundconf
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: it will still be there just not in the same function
[02:34] <coreymon77> SlackRat: absolutely nothing happens when i do sudo artswrapper
[02:34] <SlackRat> try without sudo
[02:34] <saunders> done it sanne thanku
[02:34] <Sanne> saunders: now type: lspci -v
[02:34] <SlackRat> Linux, dont say that , argggg!
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: type   sudo asoundconf list
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: does anything show up
[02:35] <Hasrat_USA> i have a question
[02:35] <coreymon77> i did the list thing
[02:35] <saunders> yes now sanne?
[02:35] <coreymon77> and it shows my one sound card
[02:35] <SlackRat> yes, the card name
[02:35] <SlackRat> available sound cards
[02:36] <coreymon77> yes
[02:36] <coreymon77> my one card
[02:36] <Hasrat_USA> if i have installed Ubuntu, then one day decided to install Kubuntu-desktop from Ubuntu, should I be in here? or should i have installed Kubuntu and then joined this channel?
[02:36] <Sanne> saunders: nothing, you just can investigate this output.
[02:36] <saunders> thanks sanne
[02:36] <Sanne> saunders: I have another neat info thingy for you:
[02:36] <coreymon77> and running the command without sudo gave me a lot of stuff
[02:37] <Sanne> saunders: you can get info about those module names you got from lsmod by typing: modinfo <modulename>
[02:37] <saunders> sanne: which is :)?
[02:37] <saunders> kool
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> Hasrat_USA: Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with kde as the default
[02:37] <saunders> module name? as in nvidia?
[02:37] <SlackRat> hasrat, no  matter
[02:37] <SlackRat> if youre in kde desktop ,here is the place
[02:37] <Sanne> saunders: yes, the name you get listed woth lsmod
[02:38] <saunders> swish cheers
[02:38] <Hasrat_USA> SlackRat: then should i be in #ubuntu also?
[02:38] <coreymon77> SlackRat: do you want to know what artswrapper w/o sudo gave me?
[02:38] <SlackRat> no, nine hundred people there, tis a madhouse
[02:38] <SlackRat> yeah
[02:38] <Sanne> saunders: you can even tab complete. Type modinfo nvi<tab>, then it completes all modules there are that start with nvi
[02:38] <SlackRat> corey, prolly a cant start? error
[02:38] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7435/
[02:39] <saunders> wicked ne thing else?
[02:39] <saunders> lol
[02:40] <coreymon77> SlackRat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7435/
[02:40] <SlackRat> hmn, its running........see if rebooting with all the added packages and having alsa or autodetect starts up your sound
[02:40] <coreymon77> okay
[02:40] <Sanne> saunders: nothing I can think of right now... but there's lots more. There always is ;)
[02:40] <Sanne> saunders: acutally, yes, since you're new
[02:40] <saunders> :) yes... lol
[02:42] <Sanne> saunders: you can tab complete any konsole command. So, to find out available commands starting with 'a', you type: a<tab><tab>. If you want to know what those commands do, you can find out by typing: man <command>
[02:43] <Sanne> saunders: when you are in a so called man page, you quit again to konsole by hitting 'q'
[02:44] <saunders> oo thats nifty sanne
[02:44] <saunders> lol
[02:44] <saunders> i like
[02:44] <Sanne> saunders: that's kind of necessary knowledge for survival, imo ;)
[02:45] <saunders> :D
[02:47] <Linux_Galore> also  www.google.com/linux   is your best buddy
[02:47] <SlackRat> corey any sound on startup?
[02:47] <Linux_Galore> it tells google to filter none Linux specific pages from a search
[02:47] <coreymon77> SlackRat: nope
[02:48] <SlackRat> well, youre not alone............http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341177
[02:48] <SlackRat> its from a few days ago
[02:49] <SlackRat> you might want to test by running  edgy live and see if it gives you sound
[02:49] <SlackRat> sign into this forum thread, and keep updated till someone solves it........
[02:50] <SlackRat> post your own experience there
[02:50] <coreymon77> i dont have an edgy live
[02:50] <coreymon77> i have a dapper live
[02:50] <SlackRat> dapper sound was fine?
[02:50] <coreymon77> dapper was ages ago
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> Dapper ->Edgy isnt a good web update I found
[02:51] <SlackRat> its why i seldom try to get the new release.......dapper is supported for three years and was meant to be stable.....edgy is edgy and released in october
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> 101 broken things
[02:51] <coreymon77> SlackRat: ive had edgy since it came out
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> easier to back /home  and do a fresh install
[02:51] <SlackRat> unless youre a bleeding edge hacker who likes playing with his system, dont upgrade unless you need a new feature from a new release......
[02:52] <coreymon77> and my sound only broke a while ago
[02:52] <coreymon77> a week and a half
[02:52] <Linux_Galore> back-up*
[02:52] <SlackRat> if you like hacking about, then update.....edgy is called edgy for a reason
[02:52] <SlackRat> you ll have annoying days like this, heh
[02:52] <coreymon77> its got nothing to do with it though
[02:52] <coreymon77> its not edgy
[02:53] <crusty> hello!i have problem to connect to automatix repository on port 80....any help?
[02:53] <coreymon77> crusty: i have a suggestion
[02:53] <coreymon77> crusty: dont use automatix!!!
[02:53] <SlackRat> but we still cant pinpoint when youre old card died, and why and why a new card fails as well
[02:53] <coreymon77> the new card works in linux though
[02:53] <SlackRat> yea
[02:54] <coreymon77> i mean
[02:54] <coreymon77> windows
[02:54] <coreymon77> asdfghjkllllll;'';lkjhgfdsaasdfghjkl;'
[02:54] <BluesKaj> crusty, there is no special port required to connect to automatix
[02:54] <SlackRat> but the old one stopped exacrtly  it worked in windows, or it was dead there too?
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77:   try running  asoundconf list then  sasoundconf set-default-card card_as_listed
[02:54] <coreymon77> yes
[02:54] <coreymon77> it died in windows too
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77: ooh put sudo in front of each one
[02:54] <coreymon77> asdfghjkl;';lkjhgfdasdfghjkl;';lkjhgfdssdfghjkl;';lkjhgfdsdfghjkl;lkjhgfdssdfghjkl;lkjhfdfghjkllokjhfgfhjkl;lkjfghjkl;lkjhgfgdhjkljkhfgdhjkglkjfhdgfahjdkflg;hjkjhgdfaASGHJKL;
[02:55] <SlackRat> well we found it on edgy now....try what LInux Galore just told you
[02:55] <desi007> as soon as I log in kde says laptop lid is closed suspending on relogin it works fine :(
[02:55] <SlackRat> wtf was that??
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77:   so it should be  sudo asoundconf list   then  sudo asoundconf set-default-card  card_listed
[02:56] <coreymon77> Linux_Galore: i did that before i restarted
[02:56] <SlackRat> do it again
[02:56] <coreymon77> I DID
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77: card_listed   being the card that was previously listed
[02:56] <coreymon77> whoops
[02:56] <crusty> well...this is what i get from the konsole:  Failed to fetch http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/edgy/Release.gpg  Could not connect to www.getautomatix.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[02:56] <coreymon77> sorry
[02:56] <coreymon77> didnt know that caps wasnon
[02:56] <SlackRat> np
[02:56] <coreymon77> crusty: use apt
[02:57] <crusty> what you mean
[02:57] <coreymon77> dont use automatix
[02:57] <coreymon77> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:58] <SlackRat> its not supported crusty, but i wouldnt go near automatix, i d use easyubuntu for codecs and stuff.......but peoople caution against that one too
[02:58] <SlackRat> corey, you have kubuntu only, or both desktops installed?
[02:59] <slyfox> I use this program and it has to be run via Terminal:  xtightvncviewer <IP_ADDRESS>      this is the program to remotley connect to windows. Is there any way to make like an executable bin bash or soemthing so that I can click on it and it will do it automatically ?
[02:59] <coreymon77> ku only
[03:00] <SlackRat> dont think ive ever run only one desktop, theres always problems with kde alone lately, that didnt happen when i installed ubu kubu and xubu from a dvd......all the libs i could want are there by default.....
[03:00] <SlackRat> you upgraded it from a dapper install?
[03:00] <coreymon77> yes
[03:00] <coreymon77> right when edgy came out
[03:01] <Sanne> slyfox: you could make a launcher on the panel (or in the menu) that starts konsole and executes this command in it. Should I look for the syntax?
[03:01] <flaccid> anyone know an alternative ssh server?
[03:01] <SlackRat> let me ask you a simple quesiton....do you like keeping up with releases and testing and bug tracking, or do you jus want a system that works?
[03:01] <slyfox> Sanne: how do i do that ?
[03:01] <coreymon77> SlackRat: i like edgy, i like it better than dapper, and good luck getting me to change bacl
[03:01] <coreymon77> back'
[03:02] <SlackRat> lol, good luck with your sound........
[03:02] <Sanne> slyfox: do you know how to make a panel launcher button or a menu entry? Which one would you prefer?
[03:02] <saunders> xubuntu ? what is it
[03:02] <azriel> anyone else lose audio on kxmame?
[03:02] <saunders> is it good what makes it diff from the resT?
[03:02] <coreymon77> SlackRat: it wasnt edgy that broke it
[03:02] <SlackRat> are you new to linux?
[03:02] <coreymon77> no
[03:02] <saunders> yer
[03:02] <coreymon77> ive been using it for 60 years
[03:02] <coreymon77> 6*
[03:03] <SlackRat> then you know that distros with kde often have this sound nightmare....?
[03:03] <SlackRat> and gnome desktops have their own annoying quirks
[03:03] <coreymon77> then what do you suggest it do
[03:03] <SlackRat> post the problem, other people have it too
[03:03] <coreymon77> switch to xfce?
[03:04] <saunders> ubuntu? xubuntu? kubuntu which shud i use!!!?!? help please
[03:04] <saunders> whats the differne. new user here.
[03:04] <SlackRat> your new card works in windows.....and NEVER worked when you isntalled it on dapper.....right
[03:04] <slyfox> Sanne: I use Kubuntu and there is katapult, so perhaps some kind of a shorcut to the launcher maybe will do? I was actually thinking of making like a text file with the command in it and then makeing it execuatble and then launching it and then just create a shortcut. I may be talking nonsense as I am only learning Linux.
[03:04] <coreymon77>
[03:04] <SlackRat> saunders, different desktops
[03:04] <SlackRat> install ubuntu and add kde so you can try both
[03:05] <saunders> just different styles but each linux does exactly the same thing?
[03:05] <slyfox> Sanne: also please note, that I usually enter 2 strings: xtightvncviewer <IP_ADDRESS>  to connect and the next line - it asks me for the password and I neter it and I am logged in
[03:05] <SlackRat> its the same distro, didffernt desktops
[03:05] <coreymon77>
[03:05] <coreymon77>
[03:05] <saunders> so same thing different visual style?
[03:05] <Sanne> slyfox: no, this is also a very good idea, we actually would start with making a script. How we start it depends on if you need to keep the konsole windows to stay open or not.
[03:05] <SlackRat> sort of, different tools etc
[03:05] <slyfox> Sanne: forget about waht I wrote - I use Kubuntu *** I thought I was in the ubuntu channel
[03:05] <saunders> which is best
[03:05] <SlackRat> corey, what did you use before ubuntu?
[03:05] <saunders> slackrat which is best?
[03:05] <slyfox> Sanne: yes, it need to be open
[03:05] <SlackRat> this is kubuntu, most are kde users here
[03:06] <SlackRat> its a matter of choice
[03:06] <saunders> kde? what other versions r there then
[03:06] <Sanne> slyfox: well, we should just start with a script and go fron there, I guess. Just a sec, I type something up.
[03:06] <SlackRat> but i generally install UBUNTU, and add kde to have both in one
[03:06] <slyfox> Sanne: please.
[03:06] <saunders> so wot actually is kde
[03:06] <SlackRat> ubuntu has been developed and worked on longer and then you dont have to choose just one
[03:07] <saunders> i mean i have kubuntu lol
[03:07] <saunders> but whats kde
[03:07] <saunders> lol
[03:07] <Muntrue> Hello
[03:07] <SlackRat> well, install it, you can add the gnome desktop and see that as well
[03:07] <SlackRat> google KDE.......
[03:07] <saunders> gnone is gd aii?
[03:07] <rEvolution27> !kde
[03:07] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:07] <SlackRat> kde wiki
[03:08] <luckyone> hello all - new kubuntu user here
[03:08] <luckyone> I just switched today
[03:08] <Sanne> slyfox: create a text file, name it anything you want, and put this into it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7438/
[03:08] <SlackRat> congrats lucky one
[03:08] <rEvolution27> gnome is ok, I personally find it a bit too simplistic
[03:08] <Muntrue> Hey luckyone! i switched yesterday =)
[03:09] <luckyone> btw, Konqueror is the most awesome file browser
[03:09] <dsmith_> xfce is simplsitic
[03:09] <luckyone> dsmith_: I did use xfce
[03:09] <saunders> how get beryl?
[03:09] <saunders> how gfet it installed
[03:09] <slyfox> Sanne: done
[03:09] <rEvolution27> konquerer rocks
[03:10] <rEvolution27> you can use adept to install beryl
[03:10] <Sanne> slyfox: how did you name it?
[03:10] <SlackRat> i find it hard to believe corey has been linuxing for six years and didnt have a clue what to do to troubleshoot sound........
[03:10] <saunders> i searched beryl in adept
[03:10] <luckyone> does kubuntu still use the gstreamer framework?
[03:10] <saunders> but nothing came up
[03:10] <slyfox> saunders: go to beryl site and choose ubuntu wiki there you will see the guide, jsut follow the script one it will do everything for you - easy
[03:10] <slyfox> Sanne: windows
[03:10] <SlackRat> ack, it can but i think it uses xine if you install that
[03:11] <saunders> thanks sly
[03:11] <SlackRat> there was a release when they tried to do alll the kde multimedia with gtk....thank god they went back to giving us a choice
[03:11] <luckyone> I *think* I have xine installed, but I am not sure
[03:11] <Sanne> slyfox: ok, now we make it executable. Open a konsole, goto the directory where the script lies, and type: chmod 755 windows
[03:11] <SlackRat> i prefer xine for kde.....gtk is gnome centric
[03:12] <luckyone> I tried to 'apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' and it said that it had no installation candidate
[03:12] <slyfox> Sanne: done
[03:12] <SlackRat> and never worked right on whatever it was,,,,,breezy? i think.....
[03:12] <Sanne> slyfox: now you can test it. Type: ./windows and observe if everything works as it should.
[03:12] <BluesKaj> !nonfree
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <SlackRat> well you could opt out for easyubuntu which will snarf your codecs and stuff.....
[03:13] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[03:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:13] <saunders> ubuntu 7.04 any good?
[03:13] <saunders> how do u upgrade a kunbuntu version?
[03:13] <saunders> throught adept?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> saunders, never heard of it
[03:13] <slyfox> saunders: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia#Kubuntu
[03:14] <SlackRat> apt-get upgrade is an option
[03:14] <saunders> 7.04 feisty fawn :S???
[03:14] <Sanne> ah, saunders, youre back. I wanted to give you this (you can't hide harhar): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:14] <saunders> thanks sanne lol
[03:14] <Sanne> hehe
[03:14] <saunders> wicked cheersa sanne
[03:14] <slyfox> Sanne: it works, the next line though asks me for the password, is there a way to put the password into the script ?
[03:14] <saunders> u guys r awefully helpful :D
[03:14] <Sanne> saunders: but relax, that was my closing comment for today ;)
[03:15] <saunders> :)
[03:15] <Sanne> slyfox: hmmm... I don't think so... maybe there is, but maybe there isn't, given the security implications. Sorry, I don't know.
[03:15] <saunders> gee its like 2:15 am lol
[03:15] <saunders> im shgattered
[03:16] <slyfox> Sanne: what is the difference between #!/bin/bash and #!/bin/sh ?
[03:16] <luckyone> can anyone tell me what to install instead of libxine-extracodecs? It says that it has no installation candidate
[03:16] <luckyone> slyfox: the type of shell you are using
[03:16] <SlackRat> for what lucky?
[03:16] <Devineman> luckyone:  what are you looking for>
[03:17] <Kite_DH> can somebody help me please? the problem is: i want gimp in english, i currently have it in german
[03:17] <linuxgoober> luckyone : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[03:17] <SlackRat> should be able to configure that from gimp, didnt know there was a language version gimp
[03:17] <slyfox> luckyone: which one does what?
[03:17] <Kite_DH> t from gimp, didnt know there was a language version gimp
[03:17] <Kite_DH> [03:17]  <slyfox> luckyone: which one does what?
[03:17] <Kite_DH> oops
[03:17] <Kite_DH> sry
[03:17] <Kite_DH> apt-get gimp help-de
[03:17] <sdlnxgk> !gtk-gnutella
[03:17] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[03:18] <Kite_DH> and apt-get install gimp-help-en
[03:18] <slyfox> Sanne: actually what we did works very well, i just added windows to my kicker and I do not even see the konsole running, it jsuts asks me for the password and I get windows and no konsole running
[03:18] <luckyone> slyfox: they both do pretty much the same thing
[03:18] <Sanne> slyfox: /bin/sh is a link to /bin/bash, so it's the same for us. I think /bin/sh is more general, will work anywhere and link to the shell that's in use on the given system.
[03:18] <saunders> im on dapper do i really need to be ugrading to newer version sanne?
[03:18] <luckyone> slyfox: they are both shells that execute commands
[03:18] <saunders> sanne: ?
[03:19] <dec_> hello where can i find feisty fawn to upgrade, i am currently using edgy
[03:19] <Sanne> slyfox: so the script does what you want now (except for the password thingy)?
[03:19] <SlackRat> saunders....you want my opinion? :-P
[03:19] <luckyone> so - do I have to install gstreamer? I thought that libxine-extracodecs was all that I need for MP3 support
[03:19] <zerone> Does any1 know what is going on with the automatix page?
[03:19] <saunders> yes sanne
[03:19] <saunders> please lol
[03:20] <SlackRat> you talking to me, or sanne?
[03:20] <Sanne> saunders: I'm also still on Dapper. If the apps are recent enough for you, you don't *need* to upgrade. Dapper is LTS with 3 years suupport, after all.
[03:20] <saunders> LTS?
[03:20] <luckyone> finally, when I try to install libxine, it tells me that there is no installation candidate. I have already modified /etc/sources.list
[03:20] <SlackRat> i concur, heh
[03:20] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: do you know how to change the language of GIMP?
[03:20] <SlackRat> nope, never had it pop up in german before
[03:21] <Sanne> slyfox: if the script is ok, we are not done yet, because I would like to show you something further.
[03:21] <underdog5004> ???
[03:21] <saunders> my system hardware is like 1gd ram Asus A87n8x deluxe motherboard. 2.2 ghz i wanna know if im getting the most out of my stuff?
[03:21] <saunders> lol
[03:21] <slyfox> Sanne: ok
[03:21] <slyfox> Sanne: please do
[03:21] <slyfox> Sanne: so far so good
[03:22] <saunders> can u see these kinda details on kunbuntu like i cud in windows?
[03:22] <luckyone> I am really excited to start using amaroK, so I want to figure this out soon!
[03:22] <luckyone> but I do not want to install gstreamer if I don't have to
[03:22] <underdog5004> saunders, Kmenu>System>KSysGuard
[03:22] <Sanne> slyfox: if you want the command 'windows' to be accessible from everywhere, you can put it to /usr/local/bin. This is the location where custom binaries and command scripts should reside, that are not under the government of the package manager.
[03:23] <saunders> thanks underdog
[03:23] <zerone> Does any1 know what is going on with the automatix page?
[03:23] <slyfox> Sanne: "accessible from everywhere" how do you mean?
[03:23] <underdog5004> it's down
[03:23] <underdog5004> zerone, I don't know whey
[03:23] <underdog5004> why
[03:24] <zerone> thnx
[03:24] <SlackRat> yes, its gods way of saying use easyubuntu if you must use an all in one unsupported download tool to make life easier :-P
[03:24] <underdog5004> google still has a cache of it...but you need getautomatix.com to be up so you can get the key...very aggravating
[03:24] <slyfox> Sanne: So far I just putted the "windows" to my /home/slyfox/Programs/Scripts  folder and edited my Kmenu and added "windows" remote control to my utilities section and it works great !
[03:24] <underdog5004> rofl
[03:24] <KaoticEvil> anyone got a minute or 2 to help me with some wifi problems?
[03:24] <underdog5004> I'll try
[03:24] <Sanne> slyfox: I mean, you wont have to cd to the directory and type ./windows, or start it with /path/to/windows, but you can just type 'windows', or put just 'windows' in the menu to run it.
[03:24] <dec_> anyone know where i can get feisty fawn i am currently running edgy and i wnat to upgrade
[03:24] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, I'll try
[03:24] <SlackRat> ubuntu.org?
[03:24] <Sanne> slyfox: you can leave it where it is, of course
[03:24] <underdog5004> dec_, google is your friend.
[03:25] <KaoticEvil> well, i can't Edgy to connect to the same wireless router than vista connects to just fine
[03:25] <saunders> sanne: how do i know iof i can run beryl and xgl on dapper? it says beware might not work on wiki
[03:25] <Sanne> slyfox: I just wanted to show you what you can do, if you want to just be able to type 'windows'
[03:25] <KaoticEvil> and im not that familiar with linux networking commands, so i have no idea how to procede
[03:25] <saunders> if it will work on my pc
[03:25] <underdog5004> dec_, linuxtracker.org is your friend as well
[03:25] <slyfox> Sanne: let me try that too
[03:25] <SlackRat> what does ifconfig show on your command line?
[03:25] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, ummm, ok, what de are you using? (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc)
[03:26] <saunders> how do i know if i can run beryl and xgl on dapper? and if will work with my pc?
[03:26] <Sanne> saunders: I must pass this question to the rest of the channel, because I don't know anything about beryl and xgl.
[03:26] <KaoticEvil> K
[03:26] <saunders> ok sanne
[03:26] <Sanne> slyfox: ok
[03:26] <Sanne> slyfox: works?
[03:26] <Kite_DH> hmm...
[03:26] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: im using KDE
[03:26] <Kite_DH> i probably didnt see the answer
[03:26] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, ok, try the system settings>Networking to see if your adapter is detected
[03:26] <Kite_DH> im sry
[03:26] <saunders> sanne: another wuestion for u
[03:26] <saunders> if u dont mind :)?
[03:27] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: i see wlan0 and wmaster0
[03:27] <Sanne> saunders: shoot (although, you might get more response if you just ask, so anybody picks it up who knows). But of course I don't mind :)
[03:28] <SlackRat> :-)
[03:28] <underdog5004> wmaster0? hmmm do you have any other wireless devices on your computer?
[03:28] <slyfox> Sanne: this is a great tip! Works
[03:28] <Sanne> slyfox: haha! So that was your first lesson in shell scripting :)
[03:28] <KaoticEvil> no, just the wifi card
[03:29] <saunders> sanne: with windows if i was to go onto a website which had spyware or downloads with as virus i wud catch a virus or spywares etc. but with kubuntu if i go on exactly the same website and download exactly the same file i dont get spyware or viruses cos its linux?
[03:29] <underdog5004> ok, so run the wireless lan assistant
[03:29] <saunders> dont i need to protect meself still :S?
[03:29] <slyfox> Sanne: one thing I do not get though is that when I launch this via konsole, I have to keep konsoel running and when I just exectue what we have created, it opens the windows withut the need of running the konsole laso
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> im about to just say to hell with it and swap cards out with this one
[03:29] <SlackRat> sanne, ill buy you coffee when feisty is released and we can watch everyone pulling out their hair while we play MMORPG pingus on dapper.....
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> i know this card works on both Vista and linux (i used it on Dapper)
[03:29] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, lol, if it works...
[03:29] <Sanne> SlackRat: hehe ;)
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> *sigh*
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> and then just use dapper and ndiswrapper :P
[03:30] <saunders> sanne: u can anwer that ?
[03:30] <underdog5004> try using the wireless lan assistant
[03:30] <underdog5004> it's under internet in the kmenu
[03:30] <saunders> with windows if i was to go onto a website which had spyware or downloads with as virus i wud catch a virus or spywares etc. but with kubuntu if i go on exactly the same website and download exactly the same file i dont get spyware or viruses cos its linux?
[03:30] <KaoticEvil> it sees the router, and when i click Connect, it *tries* to connect, but always just Connection Failed
[03:30] <saunders> ne body please help
[03:31] <SlackRat> saunder, a virus has to be intentionally opened by root.....theres no root account in ubuntu, and root users in other linuxes dont just open suspicious files, which usually contain viruses made for windows
[03:31] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: did you try KnetwokManager?
[03:31] <SlackRat> theres no point in attacking linux with most malware and virurses
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> slyfox: no, not yet
[03:31] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, ok, you may need to go into system settings>networking and set some static ips, tell it the AP, etc...
[03:31] <Sanne> saunders: basically yes, you won't be affected by those malware that is written for windows. But you might get bitten by something that exploits a security hole in firefox in an os agnostic way, so it is always wise to do security updates for those programs that access the web, on *any* os. And please, give me time to answer ;)
[03:31] <julle> Anyone who knows how to get TCL Scripting Language via apt-get ?
[03:31] <underdog5004> Or try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:31] <andrewr> hi all
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: i tried that as well
[03:32] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: Use it. Everything should work
[03:32] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, I'm out of ideas, sorry
[03:32] <saunders> sanne: how do i perform security checks in kubuntu please?
[03:32] <SlackRat> you can get virus protection for linux to be on the safe side, but my never peeps
[03:32] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: waht is yoru network wep or wpa ?
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: could it be that the card is only half supported?
[03:32] <SlackRat> clamav is one
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> slyfox: neither... its open
[03:32] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, maybe...
[03:32] <saunders> u mean security updates for like firefox?
[03:32] <andrewr> trying to figure out why apt-cache search tightvnc shows nothing, yet packages.ubuntu.org shows it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/tightvncserver
[03:32] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: hmmm.. still try knetworkmanager
[03:32] <underdog5004> there is also a linux version of Kaspersky antivirus
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> i'll have to install it
[03:32] <underdog5004> but it's not free
[03:32] <Sanne> slyfox: if you run it via konsole, the konsole just runs it and stays open. If you just run the script without konsole, it may spawn a konsole, but just keeps it open so long it needs to.
[03:33] <saunders> underdog: just trying to understand linux ya dirty bas*t**d
[03:33] <andrewr> using edgy, and did an apt-get update..
[03:33] <slyfox> andrewr: I got mine here http://www.tightvnc.com/
[03:33] <Sanne> slyfox: I don't know if this was not confisung...
[03:33] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, lol, I wasn't talking to you...sorry
[03:33] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: i wasnt talking to you either :P
[03:33] <underdog5004> oh, ok
[03:33] <andrewr> slyfox: but it should be in apt, why is it not there?
[03:34] <jmichaelx> AVG antivirus is free for home users, but i have never tried it in linux
[03:34] <Sanne> saunders: you should do updates when they are available, at least for those critical apps. That *should* be enough.
[03:34] <slyfox> Sanne: a bit confusing, it is just that if I run this program via konsole, and it runs, if I close hte knsole, the program closes too.  But with what we did, I see no konsoel at all, just a tiny windows asking me for hte password and that is it
[03:34] <saunders> sanne: so different from windows finding it difficult to understand which is y i ask so many questions sorry
[03:34] <Sanne> slyfox: yes, that's because youdidn't start a konsole manually *before* running the command *in it*.
[03:35] <KaoticEvil> meh... i'll just swap the cards, and go to Dapper
[03:35] <slyfox> Sanne: hmm...
[03:35] <slyfox> Sanne: I kind of get it
[03:35] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, have you tried googlin' around?
[03:35] <Sanne> slyfox: the command 'returns' and closes the window it spawns, kinda.
[03:36] <Sanne> slyfox: is this how you want it?  If so, we can try to achieve that.
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: ive looked... but not found a whole lot
[03:37] <slyfox> Sanne: what we did now is great. That is what I wanted, the extra konsle windows was not needed and jsut took space for me
[03:37] <Sanne> saunders: it's ok, switching an os is a learning experience. It's quite a lot at first to take in.
[03:37] <crazy_bus> my system partition has lost files again.  fsck tells me of deleted inodes.  Is there anything I can do
[03:37] <Sanne> slyfox: ah, ok :)
[03:39] <Sanne> slyfox: hmmm... I'm just thinking... you don't have multiple processes of your xtightvncviewer running now, do you?
[03:39] <julle> Anyone know knows the name of tcl scripting language in apt-get ?
[03:39] <julle> can find it anywhere
[03:39] <julle> cant
[03:40] <Sanne> julle: search on packages.ubuntu.com, you should find it. I'll help also.
[03:40] <slyfox> Sanne: no
[03:40] <slyfox> Sanne: jsut one
[03:40] <Sanne> slyfox: ok. I was concerned if we perhaps needed to close it explicitely, but seems we don't.
[03:40] <julle> Sanne: Thank you
[03:40] <slyfox> Sanne: but it needs konsole to be open if I launch it via konsole command manually
[03:41] <Sanne> julle: you can also search in a konsole window with: apt-cache search tcl
[03:42] <Schuenemann> hi, on which repository can I get java 6?
[03:42] <Sanne> julle: there's a package tcl8.4, seems like what you need? Type: 'apt-cache show tcl8.4' so you can read the description.
[03:43] <Sanne> slyfox: yes, that's like it works when you start commands via konsole.
[03:43] <Schuenemann> anybody installed java 6 here?
[03:43] <Kite_DH> ok heres my question: i currently have GIMP in german, i would like the english version tho...could somebody tell me how to do that??
[03:43] <saunders> sanne: i need a dvd ripping tool so can copy copyrited dvds
[03:43] <Sanne> Schuenemann: search at packages.ubuntu.com for the package, it tells you the repository
[03:43] <saunders> what can i use to take the copywrite off etc
[03:44] <Sanne> saunders: I also don't know that one. I just recently got my first dvd drive, and actually today played my first dvd. Never ropped one so far.
[03:44] <julle> Sanne: okey thank you, libdb3-tcl  <. that helped. Now i just have to find tk :D
[03:44] <Sanne> ripped even
[03:44] <Sanne> julle: same procedure :)
[03:45] <saunders> lol ok sanne
[03:45] <saunders> i need a dvd ripping tool so can copy copyrited dvds  can ne one help??
[03:45] <saunders> to take off the copywrite etc
[03:45] <slyfox> Sanne: waht we did was great. Thank you very much for you help !!!!
[03:45] <Sanne> slyfox: you're very welcome! :)
[03:45] <slyfox> Sanne: This is us: http://slyfox.tiddlyspot.com/index.html#ShellScripting
[03:45] <BluesKaj> a ripping tool isn't what you want ...k9copy is
[03:46] <Kite_DH> =/...
[03:46] <saunders> y k9copy?
[03:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:46] <Schuenemann> Sanne, I only see version 5
[03:46] <Sanne> slyfox: haha, neat :)
[03:46] <saunders> basically i want sumthing so when my friends lend me their dvds i can copy them and it copies the dvd like for like
[03:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:46] <Sanne> Schuenemann: then maybe it is not available from the repositories? Does anybody know?
[03:47] <saunders> and thats k9copy? only when i tryed it b4 it wudnt do that
[03:47] <Kite_DH> hm...
[03:47] <Schuenemann> someone told me he got from apt-get
[03:47] <Kite_DH> im sry
[03:47] <SlackRat> watches the black helicopters from the DRM police flying over Saunders house
[03:47] <Kite_DH> did somebody read my question?
[03:47] <SlackRat> we all did , we're ignoring you
[03:47] <SlackRat> :-P
[03:48] <Kite_DH> k..
[03:48] <SlackRat> jk
[03:48] <Schuenemann> Sanne, maybe it's in a repository the site doesn't search? it's not free
[03:48] <Sanne> Schuenemann: I'm finding it in feisty and edgy-backports
[03:48] <Schuenemann> not yet, at least
[03:48] <saunders> slackrat: LOL u say that but a helicopter is actualy outside the area
[03:48] <BluesKaj> it'will author the dvd to fit on one dvd -+r , a lot of cpopyrighted dvds a re larger , so k9copywill shrink them to the necessary size
[03:48] <saunders> can hear it
[03:48] <luckyone> Sanne: can you tell me where to find libxine-extracodecs? I can't find an installation candidate
[03:48] <Sanne> Schuenemann: what's your ubuntu version?
[03:48] <Schuenemann> Sanne, why on backports?
[03:49] <Schuenemann> kubuntu 6.10
[03:49] <Schuenemann> I have multiverse enabled, I should see it... or not?
[03:49] <Sanne> Schuenemann: if it's on backports, it means it wasn't available when edgy finalized.
[03:49] <andrewr> I found my problem about tightvnc, I have to enable the universe sources
[03:49] <BluesKaj> libxine-extracodecs
[03:49] <Schuenemann> how do I add that repository?
[03:49] <Sanne> Schuenemann: no, you need the backports repository in your sources.list
[03:49] <BluesKaj> !libxine-extracodecs
[03:49] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[03:50] <Sanne> Schuenemann: one moment, I'll try to find out for you
[03:50] <Schuenemann> I had for dapper, I don't remember though
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> hey question...
[03:50] <luckyone> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:50] <luckyone> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:50] <luckyone> is only available from another source
[03:50] <luckyone> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> if i install dapper, and use ndiswrapper for my wifi card... and then do a dist upgrade to edgy
[03:50] <Sanne> Schuenemann: in the meantime you can open your sources.list: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> will it keep my ndiswrapper settings?
[03:50] <Schuenemann> right
[03:51] <Sanne> luckyone: you might need to enable universe or multiverse
[03:51] <Schuenemann> !universe
[03:51] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:51] <luckyone> Sanne: I have them both enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <Sanne> luckyone: just a sec, I'm looking into your problem when I have helped Schuenemann, ok?
[03:52] <slyfox> Can someone please tell how big is the difference between when I right click and enable all reposetories in adept package manager vs editing my sources.list and replacing whatever is in there with this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories  ???
[03:52] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: do you know how??...
[03:52] <Schuenemann> Sanne, I see it... commented
[03:52] <Schuenemann> # deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <Sanne> Schuenemann: yep, that should be it. Do you know how to proceed?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> slyfox ...adept uses your sources list
[03:53] <luckyone> Sanne: sure thing! sorry to bug
[03:53] <Sanne> luckyone: np
[03:53] <SlackRat> Kite, let me get this straight, when you open gimp, you get the words for file, save , brushes, etc in german???
[03:53] <Schuenemann> uncomment and update?
[03:53] <Sanne> Schuenemann: yep :)
[03:53] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks
[03:53] <SlackRat> hmn, the DRM police just nabbed saunders....
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> anyone know?
[03:53] <luckyone> Sanne: I hate this because I am not a *ubuntu newb, I have been using it for 2 years now... just new to kde and don't really want to put gstreamer on my machine
[03:54] <Sanne> luckyone: can you please paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[03:54] <slyfox> BluesKaj: I know it does. I mean is there a differnece between this edgy guide list and if I were to manualyl enable all the repositories in the adept ?
[03:55] <SlackRat> Kite_DH: ???
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> anyone... ?
[03:55] <luckyone> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7442/
[03:56] <SlackRat> hmn, what do people here do, ask questions, wonder off, have a light snack and wait for a sound alert to know theyre being spoken to?
[03:56] <Sanne> luckyone: I found on packages.ubuntu.com that libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse. Now I look at your paste.
[03:57] <luckyone> Sanne: I guess I don't have multiverse...
[03:57] <SlackRat> then come back and ask the same question again, wander off, play with the cats and wait for the sound alert on their irc again?
[03:57] <slyfox> is there a differnece between this edgy guide list and if I were to manualyl enable all the repositories in the adept ?
[03:57] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: ok heres my question: i currently have GIMP in german, i would like the english version tho...could somebody tell me how to do that??
[03:57] <Sanne> luckyone: correst. You have multiverse only for edgy-backports, but not for edgy. Add multiverse to lines 16 and 17.
[03:58] <SlackRat> how many times are you going to ask the same qeustion kite, then wonder why you dont get an answer....i asked you a question.....
[03:59] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: oh..didnt see it
[03:59] <Sanne> slyfox: I think adept will also just update your sources.list as if you had done it manually. At least synaptic (which I use) does that.
[03:59] <luckyone> when is kde 4.0 supposed to become available?
[03:59] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: yes, all in german
[04:00] <Sanne> luckyone: did you get libxine-extracodecs?
[04:01] <SlackRat> it seems according to some google hits, that it might be designed in germany, but the standard apt get is always english in my experience......did you do what someone suggested and apt get help-en??
[04:01] <luckyone> Sanne: sound is a wonderful thing - thanks!
[04:01] <Sanne> luckyone: hehe :)
[04:01] <slyfox> Sanne: the quesation is - I can go to adetp package manager and enable all the commented out repositories. WIll there be a difference if I do that or if I delte my sources.list and inseart into it this - http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories  ???
[04:01] <BrigadierFrog> I can't for the life of me get the fglrx driver working with hardware acceleration
[04:01] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: yes, i installed apt-get gimp help-en and uninstalled help-de, but those are only the help files, i need the app in english :/
[04:02] <TMM> is there any harm in installing the kde4 packages to play around with in Xephyr?
[04:02] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: i downloaded a folder called "gimp-2.3.4" ...it has many files in it...no idea how to install that
[04:02] <TMM> or will it destroy my kde3 settings? :)
[04:02] <SlackRat> your best bet (and i dont know how you got a german version in the first place is to uninstall and reinstall thru a standard repo.....which has never provided me with a german edition.......
[04:02] <SlackRat> youre not in germany are you?
[04:03] <Kite_DH> i am german
[04:03] <SlackRat> is the repository in germany also?
[04:03] <Kite_DH> no clue
[04:03] <Kite_DH> ok i uninstall GIMP now
[04:03] <luckyone> amaroK is probably the best music player ever thought of
[04:03] <Sanne> slyfox: I guess there will be differences. I don't believe adept will make the plf and canonical repositories available. But you could just make a backup of your current sources.lists and try out what happens.
[04:03] <Kite_DH> 3...2...1...
[04:04] <Sanne> Kite_DH: I think gimp uses the language you have set your system to. It accesses some environment variable that's maybe set to german.
[04:05] <Kite_DH> Sanne: it is...
[04:05] <SlackRat> uninstall, and get the ubuntu package for gimp from the sight and just install it, or make sure that your repo addresses arent in germany.......remove them temporarily, since they seem togive  you a german default......install gimp, and then put the repos you use back
[04:05] <slyfox> Sanne: ok
[04:05] <Sanne> Kite_DH: I changed the language once. I have an english system, but wanted to have a german gimp to be able to help a client (I'm also german).
[04:05] <SlackRat> another reason synaptic is so useful.....you can check pkgs and repos all in the same place
[04:06] <Kite_DH> i got adept
[04:06] <Sanne> Kite_DH: I could try to find out again how this worked, if you want to (and if you still have the ginp installed... ;))
[04:06] <SlackRat> imo, you d be doing yourself a favor to have synaptic as well
[04:07] <Kite_DH> Sanne: i have a folder full of files from chip.de, it said GIMP in english for linux...its 14,1MB big..its full of stuff, and i have no idea how to install it
[04:07] <SlackRat> you can check and uncheck your repos, see where the http for  those repos are, whether .de or us or whatever
[04:07] <Kite_DH> i just uninstalled GIMP
[04:07] <Sanne> Kite_DH: don't do that. You should really use the gimp tfrom the repositories. We#ll find out how to switch to english.
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sanne: whats a repository?
[04:08] <Sanne> Kite_DH: chances are, if it's from chip.de, it's for windows ;)
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sanne: no, it was a tar.bz2 file...
[04:08] <SlackRat> check your repos, and make sure you dont reinstall from a german repo, or youll prolly get the german edition......theres dev talk on google about keeping info and stuff in sync with the english releases....
[04:08] <Sanne> Kite_DH: you *are* on kubuntu linux, right?
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sanne: kubuntu edgy eft
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.17-11-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.06GHz at 3059 MHz (6126 bogomips), , RAM: 473/503MB, 101 proc's, 1.31h up
[04:09] <Kite_DH> =/
[04:09] <Kite_DH> Sanne: should i dl that---> ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/gimp/
[04:09] <Sanne> Kite_DH: ok, while I work, you could read this (it's for Gnome, but still useful for understanding the basics):https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[04:10] <SlackRat> check http://gug.sunsite.dk/forum/?threadid=1759
[04:10] <SlackRat> it happened to someone with a dutch version as well
[04:10] <SlackRat> GIMP uses the system default locale it seems
[04:11] <SlackRat> check ronalds post on that site
[04:11] <Sanne> Kite_DH: don't download gimp manually. If I succeed, you can reinstall through the package manager and we'll get you an english gimp.
[04:12] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok
[04:12] <Kite_DH> Sanne: also kann ich den ordner da lschen?
[04:12] <Kite_DH> sry
[04:12] <SlackRat> see the GimpUserGroup site i jus posted
[04:12] <Kite_DH> yes, im reading =)
[04:12] <Sanne> Kite_DH: we should speak english here ;)
[04:12] <SlackRat> Ja
[04:13] <Sanne> Kite_DH: let me find the solution first.
[04:13] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok
[04:15] <Sanne> Kite_DH: ok, we can try two things (one from the link SlackRat posted). You need to install gimp again: please type in a konsole: apt-get install gimp
[04:17] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok wait a sec.
[04:18] <Kite_DH> Sanne: done
[04:18] <Sanne> Kite_DH: please open a konsole, and type: export LC_ALL=c
[04:18] <Sanne> Kite_DH: sorry!
[04:18] <Sanne> Kite_DH: please open a konsole, and type: export LC_ALL=C
[04:19] <Kite_DH> k
[04:19] <Kite_DH> did
[04:19] <Sanne> Kite_DH: in the same konsole, type: gimp
[04:19] <Kite_DH> wow
[04:19] <Kite_DH> english
[04:19] <Kite_DH> :DD
[04:19] <Kite_DH> thanks!
[04:19] <Sanne> Kite_DH: cool! Easier than I thought ;)
[04:19] <bur[n] er_> anyone know if kde has a charmap?
[04:19] <Kite_DH> hehe
[04:19] <Kite_DH> lol...
[04:19] <underdog5004> Ok, I tried to install the nvidia-glx-legacy driver for my nvidia Geforce2 go card, but when I get Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[04:20] <Kite_DH> now its german again XD
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> I don't get it, I follow the guide
[04:20] <Sanne> Kite_DH: huh?
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> for ati fglrx drivers
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> and it still says mesagl
[04:20] <Sanne> Kite_DH: you always have to set this LC_ALL=C before you start gimp
[04:20] <Kite_DH> Sanne: i started it with k-menu> grafik> gimp
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> under arch linux I just did a single install command and it worked instantly, why is this such a hassle on whats supposedly a friendly distro
[04:21] <the_hammer> hey all to play movie trailers and all that jazz what do i need?
[04:21] <Sanne> Kite_DH: so we need to make a script to start gimp always with the language setting
[04:21] <Kite_DH> hmm
[04:21] <the_hammer> ive installed some java and flash but nothing working yet
[04:21] <Kite_DH> now i started it with LC_ALL=C again
[04:21] <Sanne> Kite_DH: and?
[04:21] <Kite_DH> its still german
[04:21] <TomSwift> hello
[04:21] <Jucato> the_hammer: for which browser?
[04:21] <Sanne> Kite_DH: did you do 'export LC_ALL=C'?
[04:21] <the_hammer> firefox
[04:21] <Kite_DH> oops
[04:22] <Kite_DH> ok english
[04:22] <Kite_DH> :D
[04:22] <Kite_DH> ok lets make a script
[04:22] <Kite_DH> if thats easy
[04:22] <underdog5004> any ideas for my issue?
[04:22] <Sanne> Kite_DH: kinda. make a text file, name it something like gimp-en or so.
[04:23] <Jucato> the_hammer: java for firefox, you need to install the sun-java5-plugin (sun-java6-plugin if you have your backport respository enabled)
[04:23] <the_hammer> ok
[04:23] <SlackRat> which version brigadier?
[04:23] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok next?
[04:23] <Sanne> Kite_DH: sec, I'll type it up
[04:23] <BrigadierFrog> which version of what?
[04:23] <Kite_DH> Sanne: k
[04:23] <BrigadierFrog> kubuntu? 6.10
[04:23] <SlackRat> ubuntu
[04:23] <SlackRat> with a k
[04:24] <BrigadierFrog> it claims the kernel module isn't compatable, I see it loaded and everything
[04:24] <BrigadierFrog> I dunno
[04:24] <SlackRat> ah, dunno, im running dapper.....and the only distro that ever ran my nvidia was slackware, so i know what you mean
[04:24] <BrigadierFrog> I'm going to try installing the latest one from ati, but yeah, ridiculous for a supposedly friendly distro thats all I'm saying
[04:24] <SlackRat> i think it needs you to install kernel headers for the kernel
[04:25] <SlackRat> uname -a
[04:25] <SlackRat> to make sure which headers to download
[04:25] <bur[n] er_> BrigadierFrog: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy to install it right?
[04:25] <Sanne> Kite_DH: put this in: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7446/
[04:25] <BrigadierFrog> I'm using an ati firegl card
[04:25] <BrigadierFrog> not even a radeon, a real firegl card
[04:26] <SlackRat> what made you move from arch?
[04:26] <BrigadierFrog> orca-robotics only supports a few distributions, so I thought I'd thought I'd try out kubuntu
[04:27] <Sanne> Kite_DH: with me so far?
[04:27] <Kite_DH> Sanne: yes
[04:27] <jean-b> hi
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> SlackRat: honestly, I can't stand kubuntu
[04:27] <apekko> i still have problems with flash player, so frustrating
[04:27] <SlackRat> well its a regularly released debian style one disc distro but it isnt bug free by any means.......
[04:27] <SlackRat> lol
[04:27] <Sanne> Kite_DH: did you put my paste into your script
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> I've spent more time dicking around with this than I ever have with arch
[04:27] <jean-b> when i uninstall programs, some directories remain in home
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> just to get the video card to work right
[04:27] <Kite_DH> Sanne: could we query?
[04:27] <SlackRat> you use kde or gnome usually?
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> kde usually
[04:27] <Sanne> Kite_DH: yes
[04:27] <SlackRat> i hear ya
[04:27] <jean-b> i want to clean up my home dir
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> I don't really understand why the header files are in a seperate package either
[04:28] <jean-b> and removies the directories of my old programs
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> its not like they take up a lot of space
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> so that just means more hassle
[04:28] <SlackRat> thats why slack stays on the production box
[04:28] <jean-b> is there a command to automatically remove the old config files?
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> well, arch is still on my desktop, and probably always will be
[04:28] <TomSwift> has anyone had problems with firefox loading after installing KDE?
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> seriously, no hassles
[04:29] <SlackRat> people might disagree here? but i usually run an ubuntu version thats been out a few months over the latest release...remember its based on debian sid snapshots
[04:29] <BrigadierFrog> I used to use slackware myself, but arch's pacman got me hooked to the latest packages all the time
[04:29] <SlackRat> havent tried arch yet, but ill get to it, heh
[04:29] <jean-b> guys, how can i remove the old config directories of my old programs in home?
[04:29] <bfdhud> is there a difference between installing compiz on kde or gnome? I found a walkthrough on the ubuntu forums, will it work for kde as well?
[04:29] <SlackRat> pcbsd is nice as well.....seems to be gaining some ground
[04:30] <bfdhud> jean-b you can just check view hidden
[04:30] <SlackRat> try kubuntu forums bf.....which seem to be down at the moment
[04:30] <SlackRat> server problem
[04:30] <bfdhud> jean-b then select and delete the folders
[04:30] <SlackRat> its a different tool set to build each desktop
[04:30] <flaccid> SlackRat: thats what i use
[04:30] <jean-b> bfdhud: isn't there an apt-get command to automatically get rid of those files?
[04:31] <saunders> is there a toll to do disk cleanups in dapper ? bit like in windows
[04:31] <saunders> tool*
[04:31] <bfdhud> jean-b I think you can use the --purge tag. If you're using synaptic you can check remove completely
[04:31] <SlackRat> hehe, knew i knew you from somewhere
[04:31] <SlackRat> lol
[04:31] <flaccid> yeah
[04:31] <saunders> ?
[04:31] <jean-b> bfdhud: is it possible to purge all my uninstalled programs?
[04:31] <SlackRat> saunders you dont need to defrag in unix
[04:31] <jean-b> at once?
[04:31] <SlackRat> only windows
[04:31] <bfdhud> jean-b no idea.
[04:32] <saunders> slackrat performance is always good?
[04:32] <jean-b> thanx!!
[04:32] <saunders> my programs keep wanting to terminate alot :S
[04:32] <jean-b> i'll try in #ubuntu
[04:32] <TomSwift> hello
[04:32] <SlackRat> yeah, no slowdowns without a good good reason
[04:32] <Ash-Fox> !nvidia
[04:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:32] <bfdhud> Another question, I installed a KDM theme and now when my desktop loads my background doesnt load automatically. I have to switch desktops then back again.
[04:33] <larson9999> every time i have to use windows, i realize how much i like linux
[04:33] <BrigadierFrog> Ash-Fox: I read that, thats exactly what I just tried
[04:33] <BrigadierFrog> and it gave me mesagl
[04:33] <BrigadierFrog> and why is it that much of a hassle to install something so common, thats what I want to know
[04:33] <SlackRat> xactly larson, then you find less reasons to boot the windows at all
[04:33] <bfdhud> what are you wanting to isntall?
[04:33] <saunders> opensuse 10.2 any good???
[04:34] <saunders> says its good for beginners
[04:34] <saunders> ?
[04:34] <flaccid> nah
[04:34] <SlackRat> i dropped suse after the mess they made in 10.1
[04:34] <infocrash> opensuse is o.k
[04:34] <SlackRat> and theyre dealings with MS
[04:34] <flaccid> suse would be better for server than ubuntu
[04:35] <infocrash> open suse is not for server
[04:35] <saunders> stick with dapper over open suse?
[04:35] <flaccid> nah straight suse
[04:35] <larson9999> SlackRat: i don't boot it unless i'm at work or a friend's with no linux
[04:35] <saunders> open suse looked good to me wheter it is is another story.....?
[04:35] <infocrash> i like the k menu on open suse
[04:35] <infocrash> at first i was like this is crap
[04:35] <SlackRat> problem is the pkg management changed for a while and i just got fed up
[04:35] <saunders> wha other features it av which gd?
[04:36] <SlackRat> they say its fixed on suse now, but it wasnt ever like apt
[04:36] <infocrash> but then i like it alot
[04:36] <SlackRat> liked it till 10.1
[04:36] <underdog5004> Ok, I tried to install the nvidia-glx-legacy driver for my nvidia Geforce2 go card, but when I get Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[04:36] <Bipolar> is there an openvpn plugin for knetworkmanager?
[04:36] <saunders> where is synaptec package manager in dapper?
[04:36] <saunders> or this need be installed thru adept?
[04:36] <flaccid> Bipolar: i havnt seen one
[04:37] <saunders> ?
[04:37] <hawk_> is there anyway to force unmount somthing
[04:37] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get synaptic
[04:37] <SlackRat> use console, its faster
[04:37] <SlackRat> hawk, yea
[04:38] <SlackRat> umount -fl /dev/hdc
[04:38] <infocrash> hawk_ dont think you can if you are using that mount
[04:38] <SlackRat> or whatever hd device it is
[04:39] <saunders> it says invalid operation slackrat
[04:39] <pirothezero> so memtest86 on new ram that i just bought at frys 20 minutes ago with 232 errors is that normal?
[04:39] <hawk_> well i am installing wow with wine and it is asking for the next cd but it will not ejeced the first one so i need to force on mount it
[04:39] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get update
[04:39] <SlackRat> first
[04:39] <saunders> ?
[04:39] <saunders> ok
[04:39] <SlackRat> if you havent used it
[04:40] <SlackRat> itll update your repo list
[04:40] <saunders> done it still invLID operation slack
[04:41] <SlackRat> oh oh,,,,,did i say sudo apt get install synaptic?
[04:41] <SlackRat> install being the important word
[04:41] <saunders> sure did lol
[04:41] <saunders> didnt say install lol
[04:41] <infocrash> well use a paper clip to force eject, i dont know what will happen to the software that is using the cd
[04:41] <SlackRat> try install
[04:41] <saunders> now its working lol
[04:42] <SlackRat> that s the command for installing , lol
[04:42] <SlackRat> sorry
[04:42] <saunders> thanks slack :S
[04:42] <saunders> thanks :D
[04:42] <underdog5004> sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[04:42] <SlackRat> youll like synapitc, you can change your repos from there as well ,and it has package descriptions
[04:42] <underdog5004> synaptic is frickin' awesome, generally the first thing I install
[04:43] <SlackRat> yup
[04:43] <saunders> is it like adept guys?
[04:43] <SlackRat> much better
[04:43] <saunders> swish
[04:43] <hawk_> thankx guys
[04:43] <b0rt> whats better ?
[04:43] <hawk_> it worked
[04:43] <SlackRat> synaptic
[04:43] <b0rt> whats better than adept i mean
[04:43] <SlackRat> whats that Jucato?
[04:43] <NDPTAL85> !synaptic
[04:43] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[04:43] <underdog5004> b0rt, anything
[04:43] <Jucato> SlackRat: an app/dialog box to easily add/edit repositories
[04:44] <hendaus> hello
[04:44] <NDPTAL85> Adept has package descriptions too.
[04:44] <b0rt> i mean, what can do synaptic better than adept?
[04:44] <underdog5004> hello
[04:44] <hendaus> i need help
[04:44] <hendaus> with amule
[04:44] <underdog5004> why use amule?
[04:44] <hendaus> always im getting kad firewalled
[04:44] <underdog5004> open a port on your router
[04:44] <SlackRat> ack, my irc blew up
[04:44] <hendaus> i alreadddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddy done
[04:45] <hendaus> already done
[04:45] <b0rt> port forwarding
[04:45] <hendaus> done
[04:45] <saunders> whats multiverse and universe peeps?
[04:45] <underdog5004> use bit torrent
[04:45] <underdog5004> !multiverse > saunders
[04:45] <BrigadierFrog> where do I module-assistant from
[04:45] <hendaus> yes but thee plm the files which i need doesnt  exist on torrent
[04:46] <NDPTAL85> SlackRat: We were asking what does Synaptic do that Adept doesn't.
[04:46] <BrigadierFrog> the binarydriverhowto specifies I need module-assistant
[04:46] <SlackRat> universe is if irecall the wider range of apps not always supported by ubuntu, while multiverse is pretty much all the debian repos as well.....
[04:46] <saunders> !multiverse
[04:46] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:46] <saunders> thanks#
[04:46] <SlackRat> its faster, more stable, has downlaod speeds, and command line, repos can be added or checked off, updated, all in a smooth well tested gui
[04:47] <SlackRat> its apt in a box
[04:47] <SlackRat> adept takes forever....why reinvent the wheel
[04:47] <b0rt> heh
[04:47] <Sanne> bye all
[04:47] <b0rt> gonna give it a try then
[04:47] <SlackRat> aufwiedersehen sanne
[04:48] <SlackRat> its  been the debian and ubuntu standard for years, if you dont wanna go command line
[04:48] <hendaus> hi slackrat i need a help i have plm with kad in amule always firewalled
[04:48] <hendaus> i have opened the ports in my router
[04:48] <hendaus> same plm
[04:48] <SlackRat> sorry hendaus, just installed aMule last night and stopped trying to mess with it, i just used torrents to download what i was looking for
[04:49] <SlackRat> check either their site, or their docs.....
[04:49] <hendaus> ok thx
[04:49] <SlackRat> i ll get around to it one of these days....heh,
[04:49] <SlackRat> np
[04:49] <hendaus> iother qt i hev installed gnokii what i should write in connexion to use usb
[04:49] <hendaus> cable
[04:50] <BrigadierFrog> wow, it finally worked!
[04:51] <SlackRat> woot
[04:51] <BrigadierFrog> alright, well, hopefully the rest of this fiasco will go a little smoother/faster
[04:51] <martman> my install craps out at 45% (copying file stage). im guessing i burnt a bad disk. anyway i can do a netinstall with the disk i already made?
[04:52] <SlackRat> lol frog
[04:52] <SlackRat> !ubotu netinstall
[04:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:52] <hawk_> so for some one how is coming from window$ what are the best programs for linux
[04:52] <SlackRat> check that out martman, yeah, sounds like a bad iso burn
[04:52] <saunders> how do i know what the apropriate module for my kernel is please?
[04:52] <SlackRat> try burning at no more than 4x for isos
[04:53] <SlackRat> uname -a
[04:53] <SlackRat> will tell you the kernel info
[04:53] <gregd> trying to compile konversation for my edgy kubuntu. have all the necessary toolchain packages. getting an error: *** KDE requires autoheader 2.53 or newer.
[04:53] <saunders> ?
[04:53] <SlackRat> konsole, type 'uname -a'
[04:54] <SlackRat> see what kernel it is, those are the kernel modules you donwload then
[04:54] <Jucato> uname -r
[04:54] <SlackRat> gregd, you have gcc installed?
[04:55] <makuseru> how do i mount an ISO?
[04:55] <Jucato> gregd: which version of konversation are you compiling?
[04:55] <Jucato> !iso | makuseru
[04:55] <ubotu> makuseru: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:55] <Vague_Rant> Hey guys.
[04:55] <makuseru> thanks
[04:55] <Vague_Rant> My hard drive has kind of died, so I'm trying to install Kubuntu on my external HD.
[04:56] <gregd> Jucato: yes to gcc, svn version of konversation
[04:56] <Vague_Rant> But I want the partitions to be FAT32, and I don't seem to have much of a choice.
[04:56] <Jucato> gregd: install autoconf and automake1.9
[04:57] <gregd> Jucato: both are installed
[04:57] <intelikey> well i have gotten as far as the authentication in cups now.   after only 6 days it looks like another week of hacking and i'll finally get cups working for a "raw" printer...
[04:58] <BrigadierFrog> is there a subversion 1.4 package for 6.10
[04:58] <Jucato> gregd: kdelibs4-dev ?
[04:58] <makuseru> how do i UNmount an ISO?
[04:58] <intelikey> anyone want to tell me what it's looking for at the authentication screen ?
[04:58] <Jucato> BrigadierFrog: none
[04:58] <underdog5004> should I use the 9631 (new legacy) or the 7184 (legacy) for my Geforce2 go?
[04:58] <Jucato> makuseru: same way you unmount paritition
[04:58] <Jucato> partitions*
[04:58] <BrigadierFrog> Jucato: I suppose I could build it from source then
[04:59] <makuseru> i dunno how
[04:59] <Jucato> sudo unmount <mountpoint>
[04:59] <makuseru> oh ok, thanks Jucato
[04:59] <Jucato> makuseru: er.. "umount"
[04:59] <Jucato> not unmount, sorry
[05:00] <makuseru> k
[05:00] <intelikey> umount   and you can specify device or mountpoint.
[05:00] <Jucato> intelikey: in the case of a mounted ISO, will there be a device?
[05:00] <gregd> Jucato: yes i have the kdelibs4-dev
[05:01] <intelikey> the file.
[05:01] <intelikey> Jucato i.e. umount file.iso
[05:01] <Jucato> intelikey: ok
[05:01] <Jucato> gregd: hm... kde-devel?
[05:02] <saunders> how do i know what update to install of rnvidia :S? in SPM
[05:02] <saunders> in*
[05:02] <SlackRat> SPM?
[05:03] <SlackRat> what are the choices?
[05:03] <saunders> loads :S
[05:03] <saunders> confused :S
[05:04] <rinofima> hi
[05:05] <bonbonthejon> hi rinofima
[05:05] <intelikey> what to put in "    AuthType Basic______________________________________________________________    Require user @SYSTEM_"  on the cups admin page ?
[05:05] <TomSwift> hello
[05:05] <fuel> !adeptfix
[05:05] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:06] <intelikey> can i just change the @SYSTEM  to root ?
[05:06] <intelikey> or the authtype   to   none   ?
[05:07] <underdog5004> should I use the 9631 (new legacy) or the 7184 (legacy) for my Geforce2 go?
[05:10] <SlackRat> did i mention adept crashes? :-P
[05:11] <intelikey> i've had dpkg broken more times than i care to count...
[05:11] <SlackRat> dont know if i ever broke apt........mustve at some points, usually upgrading
[05:12] <SlackRat> been a while since i used dkpkg
[05:12] <intelikey> yeah that's normally where i hosed it.
[05:12] <intelikey> dpkg ?
[05:12] <intelikey> you use it every time you install or remove a package.
[05:16] <intelikey> damn!   i'm over 40 years old, and i just now noticed that vary and very were spelled differently.
[05:17] <fudgey> hey
[05:17] <fudgey> are there any admins?
[05:17] <intelikey> only root
[05:17] <fudgey> ??
[05:17] <fudgey> nonono  admins of #ubuntu
[05:17] <fudgey> cuz it says im banned =(
[05:18] <intelikey> fudgey what did you do ?   flood ?
[05:18] <SlackRat> but you dont deal with driectly if youre aptgetting, used to install pkgs from cds with it dpkg -i if i recall
[05:18] <fudgey> dunno
[05:18] <fudgey> I dont recall
[05:19] <intelikey> SlackRat but a frontend is only a frontend...
[05:19] <SlackRat> and a backend is only a backend
[05:19] <intelikey> fudgey so aside from being banned from that channel what do you need ?
[05:19] <SlackRat> and where would we be without dselect :-P
[05:19] <fudgey> ahh nothing
[05:19] <fudgey> il just talk here then
[05:19] <SlackRat> he doesnt need to be banned, he already got that
[05:19] <fudgey> ask help here
[05:20] <SlackRat> fudgery, no great loss
[05:20] <fudgey> yeah
[05:20] <fudgey> ubuntu and kubuntu are about the same
[05:20] <intelikey> fudgey actually that's how i got here too....
[05:20] <fudgey> =/
[05:20] <SlackRat> theres ubuntu-offtopic and ubuntu-forums but theyre not heavy on support,,,,,
[05:21] <fudgey> thanks
[05:21] <SlackRat> this room at least has less than 900 people
[05:21] <archangel_> does anyone here have any experience with the ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset with linux?
[05:22] <fudgey> does he ban last a life time?
[05:22] <intelikey> no really i got banned in #ubuntu for disagreeing with an op.   (he was wrong, but that don't matter; he had ops)   ....
[05:22] <fudgey> yeah
[05:22] <archangel_> I hear the chipset is NOT recommended for linux
[05:22] <fudgey> I think I did that
[05:22] <fudgey> but worse
[05:22] <intelikey> no normally a few weeks.
[05:22] <fudgey> I swore once
[05:22] <SlackRat> do tell
[05:22] <Prophet> Anyone familiar with getting WPA-TKIP setup?
[05:22] <SlackRat> once?
[05:22] <fudgey> yeah
[05:22] <intelikey> archangel_ !i  sorry.
[05:23] <SlackRat> fsck them if they cant take a joke......
[05:23] <fudgey> he probably thought I swore like 20 times
[05:23] <archangel_> good to see you again intelikey
[05:23] <archangel_> long time
[05:24] <intelikey> archangel_ ati has been very low on the support structure...   maybe sense the merger that will change.
[05:24] <archangel_> hows the kids?
[05:24] <SlackRat> stick around here fudgery.....i ve been talking with some ubuntu and kubuntu folks about an unofficial ubuntu support irc channel in the near future
[05:24] <intelikey> archangel_ back at ya. :)
[05:24] <fudgey> awesome
[05:24] <intelikey> kids.     ah.  don't ask.
[05:24] <archangel_> yeah, lets hope so
[05:25] <intelikey> 18 years old.   any questions?
[05:25] <SlackRat> asl plz
[05:25] <fudgey> LOL
[05:25] <SlackRat> heh
[05:25] <intelikey> i thought there was one.   #ubuntu
[05:25] <intelikey> :)
[05:26] <SlackRat> thats official
[05:26] <SlackRat> thats the one that banned him
[05:26] <intelikey> been in there lately ?
[05:26] <SlackRat> fairly yea
[05:27] <intelikey> if you question is more than "where is the start button"  good luck....
[05:27] <makuseru> !ISO
[05:27] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[05:27] <SlackRat> thinking of dropping the forums too ......too many people with almost no experience passing out disinformation
[05:27] <SlackRat> and banning and abusing the ubotu instead of dealing with actual quesitons
[05:27] <TomSwift> firefox question
[05:27] <intelikey> that too.
[05:28] <intelikey> !botabuse
[05:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot).  Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[05:31] <SlackRat> yup free as in freedom and free as in beer
[05:31] <intelikey> "as we can make it"    heh.
[05:32] <flaccid> !freebsd
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freebsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <flaccid> typical
[05:32] <hawk_> what are the most have programs for linux
[05:32] <intelikey> yeap
[05:32] <SlackRat> well hes honest......no one wants to do without everything
[05:32] <fudgey> is it possible to get a ppc version of slackware??
[05:32] <SlackRat> must have? depends on what you do wiht your puter
[05:33] <flaccid> !gateway
[05:33] <intelikey> hawk_ probably debian.
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gateway - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <hawk_> i do every thing
[05:33] <flaccid> !natd
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about natd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <flaccid> !ppp
[05:33] <ubotu> ppp: Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon. In component main, is standard. Version 2.4.4rel-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 320 kB, installed size 1016 kB
[05:33] <hawk_> graphics video and alot
[05:33] <gregd> Jucato: I guess my system was trying to use unsermake
[05:33] <flaccid> dang
[05:33] <SlackRat> er, ubuntu has more packages than debian now
[05:33] <intelikey> hawk_ if i understood your Q
[05:33] <asaup> hi
[05:34] <fudgey> ubuntu doesnt work on my ppc =(
[05:34] <asaup> i have a problem
[05:34] <intelikey> SlackRat more packages != more programs.
[05:34] <asaup> !
[05:34] <asaup> !=
[05:34] <intelikey> !-  not equal
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not equal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <hawk_> hey not say i will but anyone know if you cant get cigna or that game version of wine of a p2p program
[05:35] <SlackRat> well it pretty much includes the debian repos in multiverse plus all the ubuntu addons
[05:35] <intelikey> SlackRat what ubuntu addons would that be ?
[05:36] <SlackRat> adept prolly, the new control panel for kde,,,,,
[05:36] <asaup> my kubuntu dvd does not boot
[05:36] <SlackRat> you want a list?
[05:36] <asaup> i have made it now from the iso
[05:36] <asaup> :(
[05:37] <intelikey> asaup will it boot in another computer ?
[05:37] <asaup> no
[05:37] <fudgey> then you gotta check the quality of it
[05:37] <intelikey> asaup you didn't burn it to disk correctly.
[05:37] <asaup> i burn it with ashampo
[05:37] <fudgey> .
[05:37] <fudgey> .
[05:38] <fudgey> you need to use another program
[05:38] <asaup> ok
[05:38] <asaup> thnx
[05:38] <asaup> :)
[05:38] <fudgey> anti-virus
[05:38] <intelikey> heh
[05:38] <fudgey> spam
[05:38] <fudgey> w/e
[05:38] <asaup> no
[05:38] <SlackRat> burning on windows?
[05:39] <asaup> hahahaha
[05:39] <asaup> its called
[05:39] <fudgey> you need to use imburn
[05:39] <asaup> ahampoo
[05:39] <fudgey> imgburn
[05:39] <fudgey> image burn
[05:39] <intelikey> !enter
[05:39] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:39] <asaup> ashampoo burning studio 6
[05:39] <asaup> :P
[05:39] <asaup> i made a mistake
[05:39] <fudgey> a shampo?
[05:39] <fudgey> a shampoo?
[05:39] <fudgey> are u sure?
[05:39] <SlackRat> use nero
[05:40] <SlackRat> yeah , ashampoo s been out for a few years
[05:40] <intelikey> a' sh' am po'
[05:40] <intelikey> i sure am poor
[05:40] <fudgey> LOl
[05:40] <asaup> lol
[05:40] <asaup> :P
[05:40] <fudgey> im more poor
[05:40] <fudgey> 1 dolla a day
[05:40] <SlackRat> wouldnt that be a sha am poo?
[05:40] <asaup> me too
[05:40] <intelikey> samantics ya C++
[05:41] <asaup> i am so poor that i do not have another dvd to burn it
[05:41] <intelikey> poo  ?
[05:41] <asaup> :P
[05:41] <SlackRat> no asaup, youre not poo, it just feels that way sometimes
[05:41] <SlackRat> :0P
[05:41] <asaup> hahahaha