[05:40] <didrocks> good morning
[06:00] <zniavre> good morning
[06:00] <zniavre> please remove banshee from unity-lens-music dep ....   :o)
[06:09] <didrocks> zniavre: it's a hard dep ;)
[06:57] <MacSlow> ola
[07:41] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:51] <zniavre> didrocks, this means im stuck with banshee even if im not using it ?
[07:53] <didrocks> zniavre: you can remove the music lens, it's just a recommends
[07:55] <davidcalle> Hi didrocks, do you know any python lens ported to the new unity?
[08:03] <RAOF_> Oh, boo. DBO's left, so I can't bitch about the new alt-tab at him!
[08:12] <didrocks> davidcalle: I don't know any of them yet
[08:13] <zniavre> didrocks, ok thank you
[08:13] <zniavre> (still hard to customize ubuntu/unity with minimal installation)  :o)
[08:14] <davidcalle> didrocks, ok thank you :)
[08:14] <zniavre> i got worrie with tranparence and unity-panel should i report it .?
[08:15] <zniavre> btw no more ubuntu icon in top left ?
[08:18] <davidcalle> zniavre, there is a list of bugs already reported in the last few hours, feel free to check what's missing from your own list ;-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated
[08:23] <zniavre> ok ty
[08:25] <didrocks> zniavre: ping gord_ about it, you are not the only one :)
[08:37] <htorque> hello, everyone! opening thunderbird's new mail message sometimes causes the window to get distorted like this: http://img.xrmb2.net/images/212853.png - how can i make this a useful bug report?
[08:37] <htorque> *message → window
[08:38] <didrocks> htorque: confirmed there as well, I think it's a compiz issue
[08:38] <htorque> didrocks: great (that you can confirm it, not that it exists :P)
[08:39] <didrocks> htorque: come on! where would be the fun without it :)
[08:41] <ephan> 4.8.0 htorque ?
[08:41] <ephan> or from repos?
[08:44] <htorque> yes
[09:21] <didrocks> om26er: thanks for backporting the annoying Qt issue
[09:21] <didrocks> (drag)
[09:21] <om26er> didrocks, yw, you sponsoring it?
[09:21] <didrocks> om26er: indeed!
[09:24] <om26er> didrocks, nice, thanks :)
[09:24] <didrocks> thanks to you :)
[09:32] <mardy> what is the LP project name of unity-services?
[09:38] <didrocks> mardy: it's in unity
[09:38] <mardy> didrocks: thanks, just found out
[09:51] <om26er> with latest update it seems launcher cannot be revealed from the left edge after doing alt-tab (super key works still)
[09:53]  * om26er reports a bug
[09:53] <didrocks> om26er: you defintively rock!
[09:53] <didrocks> definitively :)
[09:53]  * didrocks wonders how om26er found the step to reproduce
[09:54] <om26er> didrocks, but your name says you rock :D
[09:54] <didrocks> ;)
[09:54] <didrocks> (rocks is for my family name "Roche")
[09:54] <om26er> aha, i always read Roche as rosh
[09:58] <didrocks> "sh" isn't really French :)
[10:06] <mardy> could please someone test if bug 825060 applies to unity as well (I filed it for unity-2d)?
[10:33] <Omega> mardy: cannot reproduce
[10:33] <Omega> (the offset thing)
[10:34] <mardy> Omega: so, when you ckick the BFB, the Dash correctly opens?
[10:34] <mardy> *clock
[10:34] <mardy> *click
[10:35] <mardy> :-)
[10:35] <Omega> when I click it twice it opens correctly
[10:35] <Omega> mardy: I'm on natty btw
[10:36] <mardy> Omega: thanks! So it's probably in unity-2d only
[10:39] <Omega> mardy: Oooh, I didn't even see that it waas unity-2d
[10:54] <jjardon> Hi, where is the current order of the indicators nowadays?
[10:55] <jjardon> what*
[10:56] <jjardon> Is this the correct one? bluetooth, keyboard, network, messaging, power, sound, datetime, session
[11:22] <andyrock> hi all
[12:40] <apw> are we expecting a cursor in the password box in the new lightdm theme?  very confusing to me without
[12:46] <didrocks> JohnLea: ^^ not sure if it's by design or just not implemented by robert
[12:47] <jibel> apw, bug 810805
[12:48] <jibel> robert is aware but didn't set a status.
[12:56] <jjardon> kenvandine: If you have any free time: https://launchpad.net/indicator-power/trunk/0.6
[13:02] <om26er> jjardon, some update yesterday made the battery icon little fuzzy in the panel, there have been no icon theme update nor any indicator-power so its a mystery.
[13:02] <JohnLea> didrocks, jibel; yes, that's a bug
[13:02] <kenvandine> jjardon, i'll look at it
[13:03] <jibel> JohnLea, thanks for confirming. I'll update the report.
[13:05] <jjardon> om26er: fuzzy?
[13:06] <didrocks> apw: FYI ^^
[13:06] <om26er> jjardon, the icon is not as clear as the others in the panel, it was fine before yesterday
[13:07] <om26er> seems like the icon is being scaled or something
[13:07] <jjardon> om26er: Can you take a screenshot? Seems to work fine here
[13:08] <jjardon> om26er: the issue happens with all the battery status icons?
[13:09] <om26er> jjardon, yes it seems, i have an old iso somewhere for Oneiric I will take two screenshots so that they could compared
[13:12] <andyrock> om26er, can you confirm/"unconfirm" this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/818726)
[13:13] <om26er> andyrock, firefox is not instaled
[13:13] <om26er> installing now
[13:13] <andyrock> andyrock, i think my dnd branch fixes it (so i could mark it as in progress)
[13:13] <andyrock> om26er, thx
[13:13] <andyrock> andyrock to andyrock damn! :)
[13:21] <jjardon> om26er: thanks a lot!
[13:22] <om26er> jjardon, heh I din't come up with the images yet ;)
[13:25] <om26er> andyrock, it can't be reproduced
[13:25] <om26er> andyrock, the launcher shows up but you can still drop the tab to the very left
[13:25] <andyrock> om26er, ok...
[13:26] <andyrock> with my branch (if it will be merged the launcher) is not shown when dnd gtk widget :)
[13:26] <om26er> andyrock, with your branch launcher won't appear at all in this case I guess?
[13:26] <andyrock> om26er, yep
[13:26] <om26er> that would be cool
[13:26]  * om26er goes to the past
[13:34] <apw> so we know about nm menu always appearing, becoming 'empty' and then reappearing in full; every time you open it ?
[13:34] <andyrock> apw, the same for me
[13:36]  * apw waits to see if it is known before filing
[13:44] <om26er> jjardon, sorry false alarm, as I compare screenshots from saturday's ISO and upto date Oneiric there is a very little differenent to be seen thats possibly due to new theme etc.
[13:45] <om26er> battery icons need love though
[13:45] <jibel> apw, bug 823955
[13:58] <kenvandine> jjardon, can you please tag releases in bzr as you release them?
[14:21] <kenvandine> jjardon, crash from 0.6
[14:21] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/664294/
[14:21] <kenvandine> only happening on my desktop box, which has no battery
[14:56] <ephan> To open the trash from the launcher I just need to press the Trash Icon. However, even though it's not necessary, I'd like support for a "Open Trash" QuickList icon. I branched Unity and I made the code for the "View Trash", I am pretty sure it works, even though I didn't try it. How do I know if such quicklist item is wanted? I want it, but I can't just push it to a branch without knowing if it is wanted. Thanks
[14:57] <ephan> Should I ask a "Question" in Launchpad (unity)?
[14:59] <om26er> didrocks, gir1.2-unity-3.0 cannot be installed when gir1.2-unity-4.0 and vice versa shouldn't they conflict with each other?
[14:59]  * om26er now have a broken apt :/
[14:59] <ephan> :/
[14:59] <ephan> om26er, do you have an answer to my question above btw?
[15:00] <didrocks> om26er: argh, indeed, the overrides files aren't versionned
[15:00] <didrocks> om26er: let's add Conflicts/Replaces then
[15:00] <om26er> didrocks, yes i can't install anything since I installed usb-creator and it pulled gir1.2-unity-3.0 :/
[15:01] <om26er> ephan, hmm not sure
[15:01] <om26er> ephan, report a bug, and link the branch
[15:01] <ephan> Thanks om26er
[15:02] <om26er> ephan, i think would be a good addition,
[15:02] <didrocks> om26er: seems usb-creator needs a rebuild then
[15:06] <ephan_> om26er, done, thanks for helping me, sometimes I don't know what to do
[15:07] <om26er> ephan, yw :) , bug number
[15:08] <om26er> ephan, btw still that button pressed state bug is not confirmed to be fixed due to a different bug that came with the new update
[15:19] <apw> do we know that when a window is maximised the new x+/ buttons are mostly invisible ?
[15:20] <ephan> om26er told me about a bug related to those buttons in the new Unity Release, perhaps it is that one, but I don't know about it
[15:20] <apw> also: do we know that the brightness controlls are not connected to osd
[15:21] <om26er> apw, yes sir, its reported :)
[15:21] <om26er> talking about window controls in the panel for maximized window
[15:22] <om26er> bug 824831
[15:22] <ephan> Also I can't view the attachment in that bug
[15:22] <om26er> ephan, seems like you fixed it, there is a very slight notable glow on the red icon when clicked
[15:22] <ephan> "Error: page not found"
[15:23] <apw> and do we know that a good percentage of the time a terminal appearing seems to kill compiz
[15:24] <om26er> ephan, could be a launchpad bug because of the weird name of the attachment
[15:25] <ephan> Yes it has ":"'s and spaces
[15:26] <ephan> @om26er: Since it was my first code contribution to ubuntu (unity) it feels great to know that, thanks :)
[15:27] <om26er> ephan, yaaay :)
[15:29] <apw> as compiz has now core-dumped as well i've filed that ...
[15:29] <didrocks> om26er: ok, so package uploaded as well as usb-creator-gtk
[15:30] <didrocks> om26er: there is still ubuntuone-client, I pinged dobey about it
[15:30] <om26er> didrocks, i hope it un breaks my apt, cant install anything
[15:33] <om26er> andyrock, about bug 820293
[15:33] <om26er> the problem also happens if the cursor is above window controls
[15:33] <om26er> and also below,  1-2px above and below
[15:34] <andyrock> om26er, ok thx i'm working on it atm :)
[15:34] <davidcalle> om26er, aptitude safe-upgrade solves it (at least, it installs what it can).
[15:35] <om26er> davidcalle, ok, downloading the aptitude deps, its not installed ;)
[15:37] <didrocks> om26er: there is update-manager still, waiting for mvo :)
[15:41] <om26er> didrocks, that would take time a little time i guess
[15:46] <om26er> davidcalle, you rock :) aptitude simply did it.
[15:46] <davidcalle> om26er, great :)
[15:46] <om26er> apt-get could do better
[15:50] <ephan> Anybody on 4.6.0 or 4.8.0?
[15:54] <ephan> If anybody on unity 4.8 or 4.6 can try bug 825302 and see if it has been fixed on those, versions, I'd appreciate it
[15:59] <jono> smspillaz, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/818142
[15:59] <jono> this is a real blocker right now it seems
[16:01] <smspillaz> jono: I'm working on it rightn ow
[16:01] <jono> thanks smspillaz
[16:01] <jono> you rock, pal
[16:01] <smspillaz> jono: its gnome-keyring being stupid
[16:01] <jono> right
[16:01] <smspillaz> the joy of writing window managers
[16:02] <smspillaz> jono: gnome-terminal does it too :(
[16:02] <jono> :-)
[16:02] <smspillaz> (you only see it across compiz restarts though)
[16:02] <kenvandine> so does gwibber-poster
[16:02] <smspillaz> it looks like a race condition that we're not handling right
[16:04] <om26er> ephan, I think how compiz handles expose et al this is currently not possible
[16:04] <kenvandine> although gwibber-poster might be different...it is  gray box and there is a hint of the contents of that box draw at the top right of the screen
[16:04] <kenvandine> opening it a second time usually works
[16:05]  * kenvandine blames njpatel's fancy animation for it... i bet it isn't getting the right x,y all the time
[16:05] <kenvandine> so it tries to render the animated slide down starting at 0,0
[16:05] <kenvandine> which has no window :)
[16:06] <ephan> om26er, I thought about it being possible or not too
[16:08] <smspillaz> kenvandine: afaict its a problem with windows that change their override redirect state
[16:08] <smspillaz> (which you shouldn't really ever do, but ... the X protocol allows it for some insane reason)
[16:08] <smspillaz> makes life more difficult for me as there's no callback for override redirect state on a window being changed
[16:09] <smspillaz> which is annoying, because all the sudden, you just can't manage it at all even when you think you should be able to
[16:10] <kenvandine> so maybe this is a different bug... probably a gwibber bug
[16:10] <kenvandine> we might try to get the allocation too soon or something
[16:15] <smspillaz> oh gosh this is more complicated than I thought
[16:15] <smspillaz> kenvandine: its not your bug
[16:15] <smspillaz> its an old one that's come back to haunt me again
[16:15] <kenvandine> woot :)
[16:15] <smspillaz> gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:15] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:15] <kenvandine> it works most of the time
[16:15] <smspillaz> its a race condition
[16:16] <kenvandine> yeah, i figured that
[16:16] <smspillaz> the window moves around within its "containment" window, that's not supposed to happen
[16:16] <kenvandine> we calculate start and end positions and slid the entry down
[16:16] <smspillaz> now I need to figure out who is trying to move the window around
[16:17] <kenvandine> i force it to center the window
[16:17] <kenvandine>     set_position (Gtk.WindowPosition.CENTER);
[16:17] <smspillaz> I may need to get x11vis up and running again to properly debug this one
[16:27] <kenvandine> smspillaz, wow... even if i put in a huge timeout before show_all it happens
[16:28] <kenvandine> but if i don't set_position at all, it never happens
[16:28]  * kenvandine was hoping to at least work around it :)
[16:28] <smspillaz> kenvandine: don't try to fight the window manager
[16:28] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:28] <smspillaz> honestly, it will end in tears
[16:28] <kenvandine> i see that
[16:28]  * kenvandine is glad he doesn't maintain a window manager
[16:29] <smspillaz> be very glad
[16:29]  * kenvandine goes onto battles he has a chance of winning
[16:29] <smspillaz> kenvandine: you know what reparenting is right ?
[16:29] <kenvandine> yes
[16:29] <smspillaz> ah ok
[16:29] <smspillaz> this is a nice bug in that :)
[16:29] <kenvandine> oh
[16:29] <kenvandine> joy
[16:29] <kenvandine> :)
[16:30] <smspillaz> basically, we set a SubstructureRedirectMask on the frame window so that the client can't move around within it
[16:30] <smspillaz> but if we move the client ourselves within its frame, things get screwy
[16:30] <smspillaz> that's basically what's happening here
[16:30] <kenvandine> so even though i don't try to reparent, it is happening above me at some point in the stack
[16:30] <smspillaz> is the window you're working with a toplevel
[16:30] <smspillaz> ?
[16:30] <kenvandine> yes
[16:30] <smspillaz> hmm
[16:30] <smspillaz> is it a GTK_WINDOW_POPUP ?
[16:31] <smspillaz> you'll probably want to make it that anyways
[16:31] <kenvandine> i am not specifying it
[16:31] <smspillaz> (make sure it's not GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL, eg)
[16:31] <smspillaz> ah ok
[16:31] <smspillaz> when you create the window, make sure its that
[16:31] <kenvandine> will do
[16:31] <smspillaz> then it won't get reparented by compiz
[16:31] <kenvandine> woot
[16:31] <smspillaz> and you'll have less trouble doing animations and stuff with it
[16:32] <smspillaz> however, you won't be able to alt-drag it and stuff
[16:32] <smspillaz> (basically it becomes an unmanaged window)
[16:32] <kenvandine> it isn't even decorated
[16:32] <kenvandine> and goes away if you click outside of it
[16:32] <kenvandine> so not important :)
[16:32] <smspillaz> (well, that's probably because you specify it to have no decorations, or it already is a popup window, which would be bad for me because that means this is two separate bugs)
[16:35] <kenvandine> ok, making it a popup does fix this
[16:36] <kenvandine> but now it doesn't destroy on click out
[16:36] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, do you have a minute?
[16:37] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, i have to run out for a bit... be back in an hour or so?
[16:37] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, i assume lens questions :)
[16:37] <stefano-palazzo> absolutely:)
[16:37] <kenvandine> bbiab
[16:37] <stefano-palazzo> cool I'll talk to you later
[16:40] <smspillaz> and here I am, writing assembler again
[16:40] <smspillaz> hate.this
[16:40] <smspillaz> kenvandine: :)
[16:40] <smspillaz> kenvandine: you'll have to do the destroy on click-out manually
[18:07] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, ping
[18:07] <stefano-palazzo> hiya Ken
[18:08] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, so, I tried running my lens on Oneiric, and not surprisingly it doesn't work at all. I was wondering if you could give me a couple of pointers at what I need to do
[18:08] <kenvandine> yeah, hang on
[18:09] <kenvandine> let me get a couple links
[18:09] <kenvandine> it changed a ton
[18:09] <kenvandine> no more group or section models
[18:09] <stefano-palazzo> oh wow, nice
[18:09] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~njpatel/unity-lens-files/unity-lens-files/+merge/70475
[18:10] <kenvandine> that is what i was given as a guide :)
[18:10] <kenvandine> it is full of noise though
[18:10] <kenvandine> lots of renaming place to lens
[18:10] <kenvandine> and doesn't help you understand how it works now
[18:10] <kenvandine> let me copy and paste something
[18:11] <stefano-palazzo> Is there any python lens that works already?
[18:12] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/664431/
[18:12] <kenvandine> no
[18:12] <kenvandine> that is what neil wrote on my wall on facebook
[18:12] <kenvandine> describes the architecture a bit
[18:12] <kenvandine> api wise the python one will be very similar to the vala one
[18:13] <kenvandine> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/trunk/revision/1122
[18:13] <kenvandine> that is the diff for the gwibber lens
[18:14] <stefano-palazzo> right, that's very helpful
[18:14] <stefano-palazzo> though it does sound like a major rewrite
[18:14] <kenvandine> it is :/
[18:14] <kenvandine> in fact
[18:15] <kenvandine> when i rewrote the gwibber lens in vala, it took less time than this port :)
[18:15] <kenvandine> however, last night when i started this i knew nothing about the new API
[18:15] <kenvandine> when i did the rewrite i understood it...
[18:15] <kenvandine> the rewrite in vala took about 4 hours
[18:15] <kenvandine> this port took me 6 hours :/
[18:16] <kenvandine> do you use any tile renderers other than the default vertical one?
[18:16]  * kenvandine tries to keep stefano-palazzo from wasting the same time he did
[18:16] <stefano-palazzo> I use the ShowcaseRenderer, but It doesn't do anything does it?
[18:16] <kenvandine> the renderer is hard coded for now, so if you try to use another one it just ignores it
[18:17] <kenvandine> i never saw that one...
[18:17] <stefano-palazzo> yeah that's what I expected
[18:17] <kenvandine> i use the horizontal one
[18:17] <kenvandine> so now you can't read any of the text in the gwibber posts
[18:17] <kenvandine> which makes it rather useless atm
[18:17] <kenvandine> until they fix that in libunity
[18:17] <stefano-palazzo> mh... jorge told me he'd like to have it done rather quickly - I'm not so sure that's going to work
[18:18] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:18] <kenvandine> yeah, he wants me to upload it to universe
[18:18] <stefano-palazzo> (not because of the api, i just got a job)  (:
[18:18] <kenvandine> having a job is good!
[18:19] <stefano-palazzo> I think from the Vala code I'll be able to do it. Most of the hard work in my lens is in another module, and doesn't depend on the API at all.
[18:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:19] <kenvandine> most of mine is in libgwibber too
[18:19] <kenvandine> you can remove most of the setup code
[18:20] <kenvandine> which is nice
[18:20] <stefano-palazzo> oh cool
[18:20] <kenvandine> all the stuff setting up group and sections models
[18:20] <kenvandine> can just get removed
[18:20] <kenvandine> now you setup filters
[18:20] <stefano-palazzo> Do you have a rough time frame for including it in universe? Are we talking days or weeks?
[18:20] <kenvandine> and categories
[18:20] <kenvandine> jorge was hoping i could upload it monday
[18:20] <kenvandine> :-D
[18:21] <kenvandine> i have no timeline... just tell me when it is ready
[18:21] <kenvandine> one tip... as far as getting it into universe
[18:21] <kenvandine> make sure your licenses and copyrights are in order
[18:21] <kenvandine> all consistent and all
[18:22] <kenvandine> and that you include the license file in the tarball
[18:22] <kenvandine> COPYING that is
[18:22] <stefano-palazzo> Will do!
[18:22] <kenvandine> that is the most common thing i need to talk to upstream about with new packages :)
[18:22] <stefano-palazzo> I'll talk to ajmitch about the copyright before I send off anything
[18:22] <kenvandine> ok
[18:22] <kenvandine> i don't really care what it is... just that it is clear
[18:23] <kenvandine> and if there are files under different licenses, include license files for them all
[18:23] <kenvandine> they are usually all under one license though
[18:24] <stefano-palazzo> It's all GPL, I'll just make sure the licensing is in order, as far as notices and COPYING files go
[18:24] <stefano-palazzo> well fantastic, I'll try my best to have it done on sunday evening
[18:24] <stefano-palazzo> (excited about the new api)
[18:25] <stefano-palazzo> thanks for your help!
[18:26] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, excellent!
[18:27] <kenvandine> jjardon, did you ever see that stacktrace i sent this morning?
[18:51] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: hey when you're about ready we'll ping ajmitch
[18:51] <jcastro> he can help us get into universe
[18:51] <stefano-palazzo> Hi jcastro :)
[18:52] <stefano-palazzo> Well, I was planning on working tonight, so that I have more time on the weekend
[18:53] <ephan> How to add "Needs Design" to a bug report?
[18:54] <ephan> Oh wait nvm
[18:56] <ephan> htorque, your bug report
[18:56] <ephan> I thought about it, but I don't think anything can be done about it
[18:56] <ephan> bug 825047
[19:01] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, I will let you know about my progress tomorrow. It's going to be harder than I expected, but I've also got less work over the weekend than I expected. I'll keep you posted
[19:25] <ephan> https://code.launchpad.net/~davidgomes/unity/open-trash-quicklist-item Can someone on 11.10 try to build my branch and see if it builds correctly with no errors? Thanks
[19:25] <jjardon> kenvandine: no, did you file a bug?
[19:25] <ephan> I lack 11.10 and can't install it with this internet
[19:26] <jjardon> kenvandine: looking now
[19:32] <kenvandine> jjardon, no... did you see it?
[19:32] <kenvandine> i never uploaded it
[19:32] <jjardon> kenvandine: yeah, pushing a fix rigth now
[19:33] <kenvandine> great
[19:33] <kenvandine> thx
[19:33] <kenvandine> i can just cherry pick the fix in
[19:33] <kenvandine> no need to roll a release
[19:34] <jjardon> kenvandine: could you test the with the new patch?
[19:34] <kenvandine> yup
[19:34] <jjardon> kenvandine: ok, thanks!
[19:35] <kenvandine> jjardon, did you see my request about tagging releases?
[19:35] <kenvandine> it would be very helpful :)
[19:35] <jjardon> just now, I missed these messages :/
[19:36] <kenvandine> ok
[19:36] <kenvandine> no worries ;)
[19:36] <kenvandine> testing now
[19:50] <om26er> ephan, i would if i could by i wont :D
[19:50] <kenvandine> jjardon, that fixed the crash
[19:50] <om26er> ephan, my system is slow, ill pack it in a ppa and test
[19:50] <ephan> om26er, damn it you ninja'd me
[19:50] <ephan> I was about to ask you if you could build it on your personal PPA
[19:50] <kenvandine> jjardon, however i do see a red outline of a batter in the indicator, even though it is a desktop with no battery
[19:50] <kenvandine> which isn't new behavior... but any plans to fix that?
[19:50] <kenvandine> jjardon, ^^
[19:51] <jjardon> kenvandine: can you paste the output of upower --dump?
[19:51] <ephan> thanks om26er :)
[19:52] <om26er> ephan, you are welcome, just keep on fixing stuff :0
[19:53] <kenvandine> jjardon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/664491
[20:07] <jjardon> kenvandine: just pushed a fix
[20:07] <kenvandine> woot
[20:10] <jjardon> oh, crappy internet connection
[20:11] <kenvandine> jjardon, not pushed?
[20:12] <jjardon> kenvandine: It's pushed now
[20:12] <kenvandine> jjardon, got it
[20:12] <kenvandine> thx
[20:14] <kenvandine> jjardon, woot, that fix it
[20:14] <kenvandine> thx :)
[20:14] <jjardon> great :)
[20:14] <kenvandine> jjardon, there is still a little bit of a gap there in the panel though
[20:14] <kenvandine> i guess hiding it still takes up a little space
[20:33] <MBarvian> hello all
[20:33] <MBarvian> does the new Oneiric lightdm greeter use webkit or GTK?
[20:43] <kenvandine> MBarvian, i think gtk
[20:43] <kenvandine> not webkit
[20:43] <ephan> so it's the lightdm-gtk package I guess
[20:43] <om26er> ephan, hey
[20:43] <kenvandine> it is unity-greeter
[20:43] <kenvandine> that is the package
[20:43] <ephan> ah ok kenvandine
[20:43] <ephan> hey om26er
[20:44] <om26er> there is a problem with your branch, open trash is only clickable when theres something in the trash, if trash is empty its inactive as well like the empty trash item
[20:45] <ephan> ! I get it
[20:46] <ephan> But is it in the menu item or the launcher icon?
[20:46] <ephan> Or both?
[20:47] <agent00tai> do you guys have any idea why the lightdm-engine-webkit package vanished? is it not supported anymore or what's up with that?
[20:48] <ephan> om26er?
[20:53] <om26er> ephan, the menu item ofcourse, sorry i was fullscreen
[20:55] <ephan> thanks, it's likely because I pretty much copied the code of the "Empty Trash" menu icon to make the new icon
[20:55] <ephan> Let me see that
[20:59] <ephan> But om26er, the action to open the trash is fully working right?
[20:59] <om26er> ephan, yes when its sensitive trash opens
[21:00] <ephan> QuicklistManager::Default()->HideQuicklist(self->_quicklist);
[21:00] <ephan> I got you evil line
[21:04] <ephan> om26er, I'm not sure if you have the time/patience to do this for me, but when programming one needs to debug. I found the place where the quicklist menu item's are hidden. I want to comment that line out and test if when that line is commented, neither the "Empty Trash" nor the "Open Trash" items go "hidden". This isn't the final fix, it's just a test I need to make.
[21:04] <ephan> Can you do it for me? If yes, I will commit and push with that line commented out.


[14:36] <baldpope> recently completed a release upgrade however on login the wall displays information about upgrading from 18 to 20, even though /etc/release shows 20 already - (working through upgrades to latest) - can I ignore that or should I do something before I get too far along?
[18:04] <znf> baldpope, did you reboot after?
[18:33] <baldpope> znf, I did between upgrades
[18:33] <znf> there's no /etc/release in ubuntu by default, btw
[18:34] <baldpope> ran into a diff issue though and had to roll back
[18:34] <baldpope> sorry /etc/os-release
[18:34] <znf> ah


[00:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, I am drunk :P
[00:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: add LGPL and you get an ACK
[00:05] <Riddell> I did
[00:05] <Riddell> the .orig should be updated
[00:05] <Riddell> Messages.sh too now
[00:05] <Riddell> not yet
[00:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, rainct changed the revu <buttons> to <input>, since the latter actually gets rendered as buttons by konqueror
[00:08] <Riddell> now
[00:08] <apachelogger> shoudl be arriving soonish
[00:10] <Riddell> the debdiff only diffs the debian directories it seems
[00:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: on plasma-widget-facebook could you see if it works at all, the packaging is less important than it installing and being able to run
[00:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: in previous versions of revu it included a whole diff, which makes a lot more sense for most reviews IMHO
[00:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: acked
[00:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't have a facebook account so I could only test installing + init
[00:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: but plasma can load it?
[00:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, the packaging is wrongish
[00:29] <apachelogger> for some reason the package the is rather empty
[00:29] <apachelogger> oh, it is not
[00:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: the desktop file is wrong name + wrong directory
[00:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/facebook/metadata.desktop ?
[00:30] <apachelogger> aye, should be in share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-facebook.desktop (I think, i.e. please sanity proof)
[00:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, checkout revu
[00:36] <apachelogger> finally the buttons are actually themed
[00:36]  * apachelogger finds that quite awesome
[00:36] <Riddell> well it works for me where it is
[00:37] <apachelogger> yeah, but the the buttons looked like crap :)
[00:37] <Riddell> looks like a button to me
[00:38] <apachelogger> yeah, didn't before
[00:39] <apachelogger> more like someone puked or something
[00:41] <slacker_nl> is there a way to find out which repo was used for a particular package?
[00:41] <Riddell> I'm
[00:41] <Riddell> slacker_nl: apt-cache policy <package>
[00:41] <slacker_nl> Riddell: i want to know which packages i have installed are from $repo
[00:41] <Riddell> I'm not convinced by your moving of the facebook .desktop file, where does the code go?
[00:42] <slacker_nl> Riddell: was hoping some kind of dpkg -l --show_repo command ;)
[00:50] <Riddell> hmm, to complex this, time for bed
[00:52]  * apachelogger gives Riddell a good nice kiss and pulls the blanket up to Riddell's ears
[01:07] <a|wen> g'night all around (head hits pillow...)
[02:04] <shtylman> ryanakca: yay for ubiquity bugs :)
[02:15] <shtylman> any feed back on the fullscreen installer? do we like it being fullscreen yea/no?
[02:21] <ryanakca> shtylman: I like it, as long as the minimize icon remains
[02:22] <shtylman> k...that it shall
[02:29] <kub1> "kdebase" is not installed on my recently installed KU 904 with todays apt-update.  Shouldn't it be??? - I got no reply in #KUbuntu, anyone here know the answer?
[02:41] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I could even live without a minimize icon ;-) ... that said, if the user goes straight to the installer (i.e. not via the live session) will the minimize icon not be displayed?
[02:45] <kub1> Anyone know when KU904 will get the functionality like in adept, the gui apt mgr in KU 804? ie, something better than KPackageKit?
[02:46] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I would assume so, but I'm not the one writting it ;)
[02:49] <apachelogger> shtylman: ^
[02:49] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I though you tested it :P
[02:51] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I did today. Took all morning ;)
[02:52] <shtylman> apachelogger: yes...if in install only mode..you cannot minimize
[02:52] <apachelogger> ok
[02:52] <apachelogger> I love the installer then
[02:52] <apachelogger> seriously
[02:52] <shtylman> if this is not the case a bug should be filed :)
[02:52] <shtylman> thanks
[02:52] <apachelogger> I totally went crazy
[02:52] <apachelogger> so did my best friend
[02:52] <shtylman> hahaha
[02:52] <apachelogger> way too awesome :)
[02:52]  * apachelogger buries shtylman in cookies for that
[02:53] <shtylman> thats the reaction I was hoping for :)
[02:54] <apachelogger> well, with that kind of improvement what else could you expect
[02:54] <apachelogger> also, I wonder how ubuntu can top that :P
[02:54] <shtylman> heh
[02:55] <shtylman> I don't know if they will try to ... not everyone would like the installer to be like that..I am sure some people prefer the app looking one
[02:56] <apachelogger> well, trust me on that, $bestfriend is a  hardcore usecase user, so if he likes it, you can be sure it fits at least 90% of the target audience
[02:57] <shtylman> cool
[02:58] <shtylman> got a few more improvements to add to it...then it will be where I envisioned it when I started this frontend skinning
[06:29] <ScottK> Just got back from seele's birthday party.
[06:39] <ScottK> Did anyone test an updated knetworkmanager snapshot with the new -workspace?
[06:42] <maco> i got home first and i used public transit!
[06:47] <ScottK> You live way closer than I do.
[06:57] <maco> oh
[06:57] <maco> are you a columbia person?
[06:57] <ScottK> Ellicott City (past Columbia)
[07:10] <maco> yikes
[11:45] <Riddell> asac: did you work out what was still needed for a working knm?
[11:56] <asac> Riddell: nothing new needed. just what i told initially ... you need to bump knetworkmanager to trunk if you bump workspace to latest from branch ;)
[11:57] <asac> it worked perfectly here when using the trunk with the workspace version that has the patch applied
[11:57] <asac> confirmed it yesterday
[11:57]  * asac is on swap day though
[11:58] <Riddell> stop looking at your computer then!
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: any plans to merge latest pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.4.11) into karmic? google-akonadi package from debian would like it
[12:00]  * Lure is still confused by quassel connect and konversation doesn't when at work
[12:00] <Lure> s/by/why
[12:00] <Riddell> Lure: I've no plans but it shouldn't be hard
[12:02] <Lure> Riddell: is there any concer as to newer packages, as it has bigger changes - may cause build-from-source problems for some packages
[12:02] <Lure> Riddell: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pkg-kde-tools/pkg-kde-tools_0.4.11/changelog
[12:02] <Riddell> hmm, debhelper 7 complexity
[12:03] <Lure> Riddell: I may look into merging it and trying it out in my ppa with akonadi, then you can decide what to do
[12:04]  * Lure does not know, as I am not following packaging changes lately
[12:05] <Riddell> Lure: the kubuntu changes should all be factored out into kubuntu.mk now so it should just be a case of including that into kde.mk and debian-qt-kde.mk
[12:05] <Riddell> but I could be wrong
[12:05] <Riddell> asac: well it's working today although it wasn't yesterday for me, so I'll package that up
[12:05] <Lure> Riddell: it does look like, yes
[12:06] <asac> Riddell: you need scottk workspace and latest knetworkmanager
[12:06] <asac> i just tried to put the trunk bump patch intot he package and added it to series
[12:06] <asac> but seems that the package doesnt apply any patches ;)
[12:06] <asac> so take care ;)
[12:07] <asac> hmm
[12:07] <asac> odd
[12:07] <asac> you will know what to do ;)
[12:07] <asac> just package latest trunk and all will be fine if you also have latest 4.3.0 workspace
[12:08] <Riddell> asac: go and do holiday things!
[12:08] <asac> ack
[12:08] <asac> till next week then
[12:29] <Nightrose> hmmm I wonder if it is better to install firefox or chromium on the eeepc wrt space
[12:30] <Nightrose> i need one of them for google gears but am short on disk space
[12:30] <Nightrose> anyone know which of them would need more disk space?
[12:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: chromium doesn't support gears yet I think
[12:32] <Nightrose> bah not?
[12:32] <Nightrose> i thought it was build in..
[12:32] <apachelogger> really don't thik so
[12:33] <Nightrose> hmm ok - that'd make the decision easy
[12:33]  * Nightrose will check at home
[12:33] <Nightrose> thx
[13:05] <ScottK2> Riddell and NCommander: KDE/Qt Main retries on armel are done and we're into Universe now.  Amarok and kdeplasma-addons have real build failures that need investigating by someone that knows what they are doing.
[13:09] <Riddell> rocking stuff ScottK
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: plasma-widget-facebook needs that .desktop file in both places to work, sneaky
[13:39] <apachelogger> ohhh
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: true
[13:40] <apachelogger> it's the very same in .kde ... if you just move the plasmoid to .kde/share/plasma it won't get in the list
[13:40] <apachelogger> so plasmapkg -i will install the source _and_ add a desktop file for ksycoca to be found
[13:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[13:41] <Riddell> I wonder what this does http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/akonadi-resource-googledata
[13:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: akonadi resource for google calendar and contacts
[13:42] <apachelogger> i.e. syncs desktop with those
[13:43] <Riddell> that sounds very useful
[13:44] <ScottK> Riddell: It's in Debian already.
[13:45] <ScottK> We just need to sync/merge some depends first
[13:46] <Riddell> ScottK: packages.d.o doesn't see it
[13:48] <ScottK> Riddell: It's still in New.  Sorry.  The packaging is in qt-kde team svn.
[13:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I've got a copy of the md5sum identical tarball locally for it.
[13:51] <Riddell> ok so we can archive Tonio_'s one from revu
[13:52] <ScottK> Yes
[13:53] <ScottK> We need the newer kde-pkg-tools Lure was mentioning earlier and libgcal synced and then I should be able to just upload it.
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[13:54] <Tonio_> hi
[13:54]  * Tonio_ is finally in canada
[13:54] <ScottK> Hello Tonio_.  Welcome to North America
[13:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: :)
[13:54] <cbr> aha! now i know why totem wont play videos @ firefox anymore
[13:54] <Tonio_> I'm there for 6 weeks, nothing to do in the evening
[13:54] <cbr> ubuntu dropped the xine backend
[13:55] <cbr> and gstreamer is an epic fail (tm)
[13:55] <Tonio_> I'm finally done with all the administrative stuff...
[14:02] <ScottK> Tonio_: Did you try plasma-netbook yet?
[14:05] <Tonio_> ScottK: not yet, I was planning to test this WE, since I have basically nothing to do here :)
[14:05] <Tonio_> ScottK: needs testing and default settings I guess
[14:05] <Tonio_> ScottK: does it come by default with kubuntu-netbook right now ?
[14:06] <ScottK> Tonio_: Needs some help with hacking on it too
[14:06] <ScottK> Yes
[14:06] <Tonio_> ScottK: kk
[14:06] <ScottK> As of Tuesday
[14:06] <Tonio_> ScottK: well, I was really out of the game since now cause I had priorities, but that's over now
[14:06] <ScottK> Upstream is very open to contributions.
[14:06] <Tonio_> ScottK: you can count on me for this we
[14:06] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially since I'm on the same time zone than you now (or almost)
[14:07] <ScottK> Where in Canada are you?
[14:07] <ScottK> The main then is to help upstream get plasma-netbook as finished as we can.
[14:08] <Tonio_> ScottK: nearby montreal, sherbrooke
[14:09] <ScottK> Tonio_: So you are in -0400 now, right?
[14:12] <Lure> ScottK, Tonio_: you were interested for akonadi-googledata, right?
[14:12] <Tonio_> ScottK: yep
[14:12] <Lure> I have debian package with updated libgcal and pkg-kde-tools (merge) in my ppa
[14:12] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but it doesn't work as well as I expected
[14:13] <Tonio_> Lure: right now I'm a lot more interested in the akonadi-syncml plugin
[14:13] <Lure> Tonio_: calendar works for me, not sure about recurring events yet
[14:13] <Tonio_> Lure: but it would be nice to have both
[14:13] <Tonio_> Lure: there are gsoc projects so should be over in septembedr
[14:13] <Tonio_> hopefully
[14:14] <ScottK> Lure: It seems like something we should have.
[14:14] <ScottK> Tonio_: Same TZ as me then.
[14:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: oki ;)
[14:14] <Tonio_> great
[14:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have packages on my ppa for those akonadi plugins
[14:15] <Tonio_> those may not be svn up to date anyway
[14:16] <ScottK> The google data one I have the md5sum identical tarball from Debian and their packaging so once the depends are updated, I can just upload it.
[14:18] <Lure> ScottK: in my ppa it is exact package from fabo
[14:18] <ScottK> KO
[14:18] <ScottK> OK even
[14:19] <Lure> ScottK: if you can review pkg-kde-merge in my ppa it would be great
[14:19] <Lure> or Riddell ^^^
[14:19] <ScottK> Lure: I really need to focus on $WORK today.
[14:19] <ScottK> (and am not currently succeeding)
[14:19] <Lure> ScottK: no problem, for Riddell this actually means work ;-)
[14:19] <Lure> ScottK: I know the feeling ;-)
[14:20] <Riddell> ScottK: /quit may help  :)
[14:20] <Riddell> _Sime: aren't you ment to be on holiday?
[14:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's the status of   http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-applet-flickr ?
[14:20] <_Sime> Riddell: wifi baby!
[14:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's already in repos
[14:20] <_Sime> the beach is just 20-30 meters away.
[14:21] <Lure> Riddell: here is link: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/ppa
[14:21] <Lure> Riddell: whenevr you have time ;-)
[14:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: groovy, archived on revu
[14:21] <Lure> _Sime: stop teasing us! ;-)
[14:21] <Riddell> Lure: will do
[14:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: You can nuke packages?
[14:22] <Lure> Riddell: are you archive-admin still? Then you can also take care for bug 411679 ;-)
[14:23]  * Quintasan got some packages to nuke
[14:24] <apachelogger> didn't I like kill the KHC search?
[14:24] <apachelogger> a drage it is
[14:26] <_Sime> cya, have to go snokeling... B-)
[14:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: I can archive on revu yes
[14:27] <Quintasan> nah, I want them to disappear from there
[14:27] <Quintasan> anyone is working on aurorae?
[14:33] <Riddell> not that I know of
[14:37] <Quintasan> Then I will try to package it
[14:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: we already have kwin-style-aurorae
[14:37] <Riddell> in the arhicve
[14:37] <Riddell> I don't know if it's the latest version
[14:38] <Quintasan> I wanted to ask that :O
[14:38]  * mgraesslin uploaded a new tarball to kde-look today so it probably isn't
[14:39] <Quintasan> well, I'm up for updating it if I find diff.gz
[14:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: apt-get source or get it from launchpad
[14:40]  * Quintasan is still on jaunty
[14:40] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-googlecalendar needing review (still to poke upstream into including COPYING file)
[14:41]  * apachelogger needs a bug status dont-care-geek-crap
[14:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: code does neither contain copyright nor license statements either
[14:43] <Quintasan> hurr durr, why do I always forget about dget -x?
[14:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: as I just said :)
[14:46] <apachelogger> 3) according to kde-look 1.1.1 is out, I suppose upgrading makes sense
[14:46] <apachelogger> 4) copyright header seciton should be Upstream-Name: Upstream-Maintainer: ...
[14:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[14:46] <Lure> Riddell: thanks for libgcal sync
[14:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose kde.mk could use some fancy feature to auto-create a symlink form metadata.desktop to the services directory
[14:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: speedcrunch does not localize
[14:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: it should, it has enough .qm files in /usr/share/speedcrunch/locale
[14:54] <apachelogger> sorry, that statement was incomplete
[14:54] <apachelogger> bug 366285
[14:54] <apachelogger> it does not localize when KDE country settings are changed
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubiquity/kde-desktop-file/+merge/10155
[14:57] <Quintasan> Yay for broken kernel in jaunty and nonworking fglxrx in karmic :S
[14:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we do something about that at all?
[14:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: it appears that the decimal symbol is set via the qm file
[14:59] <apachelogger> so unless the lang is switched, there is little chance to get the decimal symbol changed
[15:03] <apachelogger> hm
[15:03] <apachelogger> BUG
[15:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: the window name of systemsettings is not translated
[15:03] <apachelogger> I suppose that is caused by desktop file stuff
[15:12] <dpm> apachelogger: I've started tagging Kubuntu translation bugs as (imaginatively enough) 'kubuntu' in the ubuntu-translations project in order to keep track of them (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu) what you are mentioning would be a good candidate to be reported
[15:12] <dpm> there
[15:13] <apachelogger> dpm: I'd rather fix it right away ;-)
[15:14] <dpm> oh yeah, that's always the preferred approach :-)
[15:27] <ScottK> \o/
[15:27] <ScottK> Connecting now via knetworkmanager
[15:27] <ScottK> asac: ^^^
[15:27] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^^
[15:27] <ScottK> This is with wpa-psk
[15:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please add kubuntunetbook to the kubuntu group on identi.ca?
[15:34] <ScottK> Is that how that works?
[15:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: is kubuntunetbook a group or what?
[15:39] <Riddell> ScottK: awooga
[15:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  It's just me 'denting about netbook stuff
[15:49] <maco> ScottK: then you add yourself to it
[15:50] <maco> groups are join, not invite
[15:57] <maco> segphault's talking about making a plasma frontend to gwibber
[15:58] <maco> since he's writing a daemon + tack-on gui version now for gnome
[15:58] <maco> and um the µblog plasmoid is useless...doesnt post...only shows your own updates...
[15:58] <Riddell> maco: that would be cool
[15:58] <smarter> then it should be fixed
[15:59] <maco> he said he looked at the current plasmoid's code and its fubar :P
[16:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, the problem is that some (almost all?) desktop files define -capation "%c" as exec argument, easiest solution would probably be to strip that in the cdbs magic
[16:00] <apachelogger> but
[16:00] <apachelogger> this will not work for say gnome apps that define -capation
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've never understood the need for that
[16:00] <apachelogger> it is not
[16:00] <apachelogger> maybe it is faster or something
[16:01] <Riddell> no it's not, an app knows its own name regardless
[16:01] <Riddell> maybe it's used before the app has started though
[16:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: where did nuno mention that Kubuntu wasn't part of the branding idea?
[16:02] <smarter> for the taskbar entry while the cursor is bouncing?
[16:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: in a quey we had
[16:02] <maco> branding idea?
[16:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Still crashy however (knm).  Two crashes awaiting retrace right now.
[16:03] <Riddell> neversfelde: new plasma-widget-plasmaboard out
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think I've ever had it crash on me
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: OK, we'll see what the backtraces say.
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure where that -capation stuff gets filled in from though ... my best guess is somewhere within kservicegroup, which creates a kdesktopfile object and then creates a kconfigroup using its desktopGroup() function, from that it apparently gathers the capation
[16:04] <apachelogger> m_strCaption = config.readEntry( "Name" );
[16:04] <maco> Riddell: plasma-widget-plasmaboard?
[16:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: but for me anything underneath kdesktopfile just becomes more and more cryptic
[16:06] <Riddell> neversfelde: on screen keyboard
[16:07] <smarter> reminds me I have to look at it
[16:08] <smarter> and adds to it some features from Kvkbd
[16:08] <apachelogger> well, it appears to implement kconfig and puts all the information into a kconfiggroup obviously
[16:08] <apachelogger> but I have no idea where to hook into kconfig in order to create a fallback if resolution from desktop file content fails
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe you have more luck :)
[16:10]  * apachelogger needs to take a shower
[16:11] <asac> ScottK: nice. finally all the bits are up ;)
[16:12]  * asac off again for swap day ;)
[16:12] <ScottK> asac: Yes.  Enjoy your day off.
[16:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: I did join the kubuntu group, but kubuntunetbook doesn't show up as a member?
[16:14] <ScottK> Posts don't show up either.
[16:16] <ScottK> Can someone check if wep works with today's knetworkmanager?
[16:16] <Riddell> ScottK: working for me
[16:16] <ScottK> Kewl.  You really should upgrade to wpa
[16:19] <Riddell> I usually don't use any encryption, but my neighbours started using gnutella so had to change that
[16:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: I dont think that is how groups work
[16:22] <apachelogger> you'd need to have !kubuntu in the posts
[16:23] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:23] <ScottK> I see.
[16:23] <ScottK> Got it.
[16:43] <ScottK> Quintasan or lex79: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde4+bluetooth+files+open?content=108869 might be worth packaging.  I can confirm blueman works way better than kdebluetooth right now.
[16:51] <neversfelde> Riddell: I am not at home till end of next week, but I will have a look at it after I return.
[17:03] <lex79> ScottK: I have not bluetooth in my desktop, so I can't test the package if I do, maybe Quintasan has a notebook
[17:04] <ScottK> lex79: I can test it.
[17:07] <lex79> ok
[17:12] <maco> hey wait i heard we can use osx dashboard widgets on kde
[17:12] <maco> how?
[17:17] <Sput> Riddell: in Germany, recently the police have raided and searched a home and took all network equipment with them because the guy supposedly ran an open WLAN
[17:17] <Sput> at least that's what they gave him as a reason why they wouldn't need a judge to grant permission to search his home
[17:17] <Sput> "Imminent Danger because of an open WLAN"
[17:20] <maco> wtf
[17:20] <jussi01> mmm, IM hungry
[17:25] <Riddell> http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013420o-2000498448b,00.htm  "
[17:25] <Riddell> "Kubuntu Netbook Release Coming"
[17:28] <Riddell> shtylman: bzr diff -r 3364..3365  on ubiquity, lots more changes for timezones for kde frontend
[17:32] <lex79> Riddell: can you upload digikam, kipi-plugins, choqok and kde-style-qtcurve from bzr ? :) thanks
[17:33] <Riddell> someone's been busy
[17:35] <Riddell> lex79: choqok 0.6.6-0ubuntu1  where's the new .orig.tar.gz?
[17:35] <lex79> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Choqok?content=95760
[17:37] <Riddell> an actual download link preferred
[17:38] <lex79> Riddell: http://mirror.umoss.org/download.ospdev.net/choqok/choqok/0.6.6/choqok-0.6.6.tar.bz2
[17:40] <Riddell> lex79: got links for the other ones (if I need them)?
[17:42] <lex79> Riddell: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/digikam/digikam_1.0.0~beta3.orig.tar.gz
[17:42] <lex79> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kipi-plugins/kipi-plugins_0.5.0.orig.tar.gz
[17:44] <lex79> Riddell: http://home.freeuk.com/cpdrummond/QtCurve-KDE4-0.67.5.tar.bz2
[17:49] <Riddell> lex79: the get-orig-source in kde-style-qtcurve doesn't work, could you fix it or remove it?
[17:49] <lex79> Riddell: ok I'll do
[17:53] <Riddell> lex79: rest uploaded
[17:54] <lex79> Riddell: also I've soprano-backend-sesame 2.3.0
[17:54] <lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano-backend-sesame/+bug/412786
[17:56] <Riddell> lex79: super
[17:58] <Riddell> lex79: uploaded, thanks
[18:07] <lex79> Riddell: launchpad bug 407727
[18:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: about?
[18:21] <lex79> Which the difference between /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/debhelper/kde.mk and /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk ?
[18:21] <lex79> pkg-kde-tools 0.4.11 introduced /debhelper/kde.mk, we should switch to this for new packages?
[18:25] <Riddell> lex79: debhelper/kde.mk is scary debhelper 7 stuff, I'd ignore it for now
[18:26] <lex79> okay
[18:27] <user321> Hello All, this is Max from the web browser project: http://dooble.sf.net  - We currently try a linux deb release.
[18:27] <user321> Maybe someone wants to support that, we use Qt and Webkit, currently two members of this community encouraged me, to ask here in the forum
[18:28] <user321> With the follwing idea:
[18:28] <user321> we have a desktop integrated in the browser, the Dooble Desktop
[18:29] <user321> and one idea is to make the browser the desktop of a linux kernel, so that apps an be started from the browsers desktop, like google android
[18:29] <user321> if kde apps then want to use an own main window, then nothing changes, and if they want to plug in into one browser tab, that is as well possible
[18:30] <user321> if you want to have a look , try a compile out of the SVN with Qt environment with qmake just dooble.pro file
[18:30] <user321> it is one click to compile, but deb package needs longer
[18:30] <user321> our contact mailinglist is: "dooble-team"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:31] <user321> join if you like
[18:31] <user321> screen movie is here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8m316_dooble-web-browser-sumaawardsapplic_school
[18:32] <user321> we have desktop, 45 languages and not an addicted google search attitude.
[18:32] <Riddell> agateau: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2009-August/002915.html
[18:32] <user321> SVN http://dooble.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dooble/
[18:33] <agateau> Riddell: I gave an explanation about this in your blog comments, can you paste it there/point them there
[18:33] <agateau> (I am not subscribed to konversation-devel@ and about to be on holiday)
[18:34] <Riddell> yeah, you french and your 35 hour week :)
[18:34] <Riddell> I'll reply to him
[18:34] <agateau> Riddell: :) are you being jealous?
[18:41] <agateau> Riddell: new kmail patch with almost-completely-working configuration ui available on my page
[18:42] <agateau> http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/
[18:42] <agateau> Time for holidays
[18:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: :) as I already said, even for most french, 35 hours a week is just a legend :)
[18:42] <Tonio_> agateau could confirm this I guess :)
[18:42] <Tonio_> agateau: hi, btw
[18:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: unlike you Canadian slackers :)
[18:42] <agateau> hi Tonio_
[18:42] <agateau> yes, I confirm!
[18:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha
[18:43] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[18:43] <Riddell> agateau: rocking
[18:43] <Riddell> agateau: bon vacance
[18:43] <agateau> Riddell: thanks!
[18:43] <smarter> Riddell: *bonnes vacances
[18:43] <smarter> :p
[18:43] <agateau> :)
[18:43] <Tonio_> agateau: going on vacations ? have fun then
[18:43] <Riddell> smarter: but but, it's only one vacance
[18:44] <agateau> Riddell: it's like being on holiday*s*
[18:44] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm at work, but yes
[18:44] <Riddell> I only every go on one holiday at a time
[18:44] <agateau> anyway, daugther is waiting for me, have to go for real now
[19:40] <Lure> Riddell, asac: thanks for working k-n-m - wpa2-psk works for me now
[19:41] <ulaas> hi! mp3 is broken?
[19:41] <ulaas> hi! mp3 is broken?
[19:43] <ulaas> yay! stupid irc colors...
[19:44] <ulaas> Lure: how, where ,when?
[19:47] <ulaas> Lure: ah you are talking about the kde3 knm
[19:47] <Lure> ulaas: no, kde4 knetworkmanager in karmic
[19:48] <ulaas> Lure: the beautiful plasmoid?
[19:48] <Lure> ulaas: no, standalone app (tray icon)
[19:48] <Lure> ulaas: plasma is being developed
[19:49] <ulaas> thats qt3...
[19:49] <ulaas> anyway
[19:50] <ulaas> any info on mp3?
[19:50] <a|wen> ulaas: nope qt4.5/kde4 knetworkmanager
[19:51] <ulaas> a|wen: ok! i am listening...
[19:51] <a|wen> you mean the mp3 in general (the libs)?
[19:52] <ulaas> a|wen: i have xine and gst backends. still no mp3 from amarok
[19:52] <ulaas> xine-ui also cannot playback. (yes the ffmpeg plugin is installed)
[19:53] <ulaas> no wonder this is an alpha :)
[19:53] <ulaas> a|wen: one by one please :) knm.. where is that?
[19:54] <a|wen> ulaas: default in karmic since a week or two ago ... starts automatically and is in the systray
[19:54] <ulaas> a|wen: hmm package name? i am a ubuntu-desktop convert
[19:57] <a|wen> ulaas: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[19:57] <ulaas> a|wen: sure! thats the easiest way to from gnome to kde  :)
[19:58] <a|wen> should be pulled in as a depends or recommends from that ... but has been fixed very recently (and needs restart of kde i think)
[19:59] <ulaas> a|wen: you are positive that it goes ok with wpa2 psk ?
[20:00] <a|wen> plasma-widget-networkmanagement it's called
[20:00]  * a|wen is in the process of testing on his own karmic install
[20:08] <ulaas> i will give it a try
[20:08] <ulaas> kamikazeeeeeee
[21:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[21:53] <_StefanS_> evening
[21:54] <a|wen> evening _StefanS_
[22:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Point for quassel on upstream responsiveness.  One of davmor2's alpha testing bug was committed in the upstream git based on conversation here before a bug even got filed (and it's in the archive today).
[22:58] <lex79> a|wen: plasma-runner-amarok needs one final ack in revu if you have time
[23:08] <a|wen> lex79: i'm taking a look
[23:20] <Monika|K> http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=KDE&word2=Gnome ha!
[23:30] <lex79> thanks
[23:33] <a|wen> lex79: check revu
[23:34] <lex79> well, thanks :)
[23:36] <a|wen> yw :)
[23:39] <Quintasan> a|wen: I have update ready for kwin-style-{crystal,aurorae} ready, I should do something like filing a bug etc. or just poke someone?
[23:39] <a|wen> Quintasan: new upstream release?
[23:39] <Quintasan> yup
[23:40] <a|wen> Quintasan: upload to REVU ... and either file a bug or poke someone or both
[23:40] <Quintasan> hurr, updates to REVU?
[23:41] <shtylman> Riddell: yea...I see that and I am quite unhappy with the changes actually... I don't like the strong coupling between the timezone class and the frontend...I prefer to keep it through signals/slots, it also makes testing the timezone independently of the frontend easier...
[23:41] <Quintasan> hi shtylman
[23:41] <shtylman> he also introduced unnessesary loops I think
[23:41] <shtylman> Quintasan: hey
[23:42] <a|wen> Quintasan: well, it works ... you can dsc the package there (which you can't if you upload it in LP); LP is usable for debdiffs but not anything more
[23:43] <Quintasan> a|wen: I put it to REVU, now who should I poke?
[23:43] <shtylman> but if it works...it works I suppose
[23:43] <a|wen> Quintasan: package in main or universe?
[23:43] <Quintasan> universe
[23:44] <shtylman> I actually think the changes wern't needed to support what he was doing...he just chose to change it
[23:44] <shtylman> although I could be wrong on that
[23:44] <lex79> upload new upstream release to revu is not need, I've never done
[23:45] <shtylman> anyhow.... I assume these changes were done to remain consistent with his changes to the way the backend handles the timezones
[23:45] <Quintasan> lex79: too late anyways :P
[23:46] <lex79> :(
[23:46]  * Quintasan should get REVU admin to delete his old stuff
[23:46] <a|wen> Quintasan: go poke some MOTU
[23:46]  * a|wen runs and hides :P
[23:46] <Quintasan> a|wen: poke
[23:46] <Quintasan> :3
[23:47] <lex79> lol
[23:49] <a|wen> lex79: revu not needed; any other place where you can dget the package from is fine
[23:50] <lex79> Quintasan: next time, you can open a new bug in LP "New upstream release name_of_the_package version xyz" and attach diff.gz,dsc,tar.gz and subscribe to "Ubuntu sponsor for universe sponsor"
[23:50] <lex79> Quintasan: example launchpad bug 413736
[23:50] <Quintasan> well, I forgot a|wen is a MOTU but he blown up his cover :P
[23:50] <lex79> a|wen: yes
[23:51] <a|wen> Quintasan: looking at crystal now ;)
[23:51] <Quintasan> lex79: thanks
[23:51] <lex79> no problem
[23:52]  * Quintasan needs to work on his dh-only package
[23:52] <a|wen> lex79: well, you can do that ... but I rate it a pain having it in LP as you can't download it (and I know I'm not the only one)
[23:52] <lex79> right
[23:53] <Quintasan> a|wen: I heard you need to do at least one dh-only package before getting into MOTU, asking out of curiosty, what did you do?
[23:54] <Quintasan> s/curiosty/curiosity
[23:56] <a|wen> Quintasan: huh, I didn't hear about that ... iirc python-uniconvertor is dh-only
[23:57]  * Quintasan checks backlog to determine who the hell told him that
[23:57] <a|wen> Quintasan: version of crystal package is wrong
[23:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger!
[23:58] <Quintasan> argh, should be 0ubuntu1
[23:58]  * shtylman debates doing a clean install of alpha4 ... should I?
[23:59] <lex79> apachelogger jokes :P
[23:59] <Quintasan> I think I'm going to epic troll him one day :>


[02:52] <wgrant> OOPS-1575B227
[02:52] <wgrant> Probably a DB locking issue.
[02:52] <wgrant> Can somebody please tell me the problematic statement?
[02:56] <wgrant> Alternatively it could be taking ages to close the several bugs attached.
[02:56] <wgrant> It would be handy to know which.
[03:44] <cody-somerville> wgrant,  TimeoutError: 'SELECT PackageUploadSource.id, PackageUploadSource.packageupload, PackageUploadSource.sourcepackagerelease FROM PackageUploadSource WHERE PackageUploadSource.packageupload = %s ORDER BY PackageUploadSource.id', [<storm.variables.IntVariable object at 0x2aaaadddca28>]
[03:45] <wgrant> Gnargh not that one again.
[03:45] <wgrant> cody-somerville: How long did it take?
[03:46] <wgrant> That particular query, that is.
[03:48] <cody-somerville> As long as what ever the timeout value is I assume
[03:49] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Basically I'm wondering if that query was the straw that broke the camel's back, or if it took a long time on its own.
[03:49] <cody-somerville> wgrant, It doesn't show up in the long SQL statements list.
[03:50] <cody-somerville> wgrant, although it does show up in the repeated SQL statements
[03:51] <cody-somerville> and its a subselect for a lot of repeated queries too
[03:51] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Can you see how long the final statement in the query log took?
[03:52] <cody-somerville> 4ms
[03:53] <wgrant> OK. Thanks.
[03:53] <cody-somerville> "SELECT BugJob.json_data, BugJob.bug, BugJob.id, BugJob.job, BugJob.job_type FROM BugJob, Job WHERE BugJob.bug = %s AND BugJob.job_type = %s AND BugJob.job = Job.id AND Job.id IN (SELECT Job.id FROM Job WHERE Job.status = %s AND (Job.lease_expires IS NULL OR Job.lease_expires < (CURRENT_TIMESTAMP AT TIME ZONE 'UTC')) AND (Job.scheduled_start IS NULL OR Job.scheduled_start <= (CURRENT_TIMESTAMP AT TIME ZONE 'UTC'))) LIMIT 1" a
[03:53] <cody-somerville> ppears very costly. 432.0 and repeated 7 times.
[03:53] <wgrant> Ahhh.
[03:53] <wgrant> so it *is* the bugs.
[03:54] <wgrant> But 432ms each? Seriously?
[03:57] <cody-somerville> thats the average
[03:57] <cody-somerville> some take longer
[03:57] <cody-somerville> one took 632ms
[03:58] <cody-somerville> 'TypeError: Only a read-only field can have a mutator method' <-- I guess sinzui was wrong about bug_supervisor being read only already :P
[03:58] <wgrant> cody-somerville: He was right, and I was right.
[03:58] <wgrant> There are two aspects to read-onlyness:
[03:59] <wgrant>  - the schema in the interface. Currently writable, and what lazr.restful looks at.
[03:59] <wgrant>  - The attribute security, in configure.zcml. Currently read-only.
[03:59] <cody-somerville> Did I mention I hate zope?
[03:59] <wgrant> It goes without saying.
[04:00] <wgrant> Although, well, for what LP is it could be worse.
[04:00] <cody-somerville> but clearly in the context I was talking about earlier I was referring to the former and not the attribute security.
[04:01] <cody-somerville> but maybe it doesn't matter and he just assumed I'd understand what he meant.
[04:01] <wgrant> He was clearly misunderstanding and speaking about the ZCML, though.
[04:02] <cody-somerville> oh well, in the end it meant I learnt something new so all good.
[04:02] <cody-somerville> so I assume if I set the attribute to readonly its not going to cause problems since the attribute security already makes it readonly?
[04:03] <cody-somerville> doh, I was afraid I'd run into this: TypeError: A mutator method must take one and only one non-fixed argument. setBugSupervisor takes 2
[04:03] <wgrant> That's OK.
[04:03] <wgrant> You just need to use something (operation_parameters()? I forget) to pre-populate the second argument with REQUEST_USER.
[04:04] <wgrant> grep around for REQUEST_USER if you're unsure of details.
[04:04]  * wgrant lunches.
[04:05] <cody-somerville> wgrant, I already do
[04:05] <cody-somerville> wgrant, @call_with(user=REQUEST_USER)
[04:06] <wgrant> cody-somerville: You removed the incorrect self argument?
[04:06] <cody-somerville> wgrant, yup
[04:07] <wgrant> cody-somerville: paste(bin) all your decorators and the method definition itself?
[04:08] <cody-somerville> wgrant, https://pastebin.canonical.com/31276/
[04:08] <wgrant> cody-somerville: EPERM
[04:08] <cody-somerville> oops
[04:09] <cody-somerville> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421428/
[04:10] <wgrant> cody-somerville: You might need to export_write_operation too, and all the other examples I'm looking at have mutator_for first (ie. executed last)
[04:10] <wgrant> Anyway, really lunching now.
[04:11] <cody-somerville> true true
[04:11] <cody-somerville> looks like that works
[04:14] <cody-somerville> woot. works. Now I just need to write tests.
[04:25]  * wgrant returns.
[08:49] <mwhudson> woo all tests pass in no-hosted-area
[08:52] <wgrant> mwhudson: Nice!
[08:57] <mwhudson> not sure the very last test fixes will pass review but i guess there's monday for that
[08:57] <thumper> mwhudson: congrates
[08:58] <thumper> :)
[08:58] <thumper> please ignort that last typo
[08:58] <thumper> had almost a bottle of wine
[09:00] <mwhudson> haha
[20:07] <magcius> Where exactly in the code is the source for the launchpad.net landing page and project pages on there? What is the "app" name for the "Overview" section of a project page?
[20:15] <adiroiban> magcius: launchpad.net landing page? Can you please add an URL of that page?
[20:15] <adiroiban> I don't know exactly about what page are you talking about
[20:15] <magcius> adiroiban: something like http://launchpad.net or http://launchpad.net/bzr
[20:15] <adiroiban> http://launchpad.net/bzr
[20:16] <magcius> adiroiban: what subapp is that?
[20:16] <adiroiban> is the IProduct +index page
[20:16] <adiroiban> it should be registry
[20:16] <magcius> ah, registry
[20:16] <adiroiban> I am not sure about the launchpad.net start page ... let me check
[20:16] <adiroiban> I usualy just look at some text on that page
[20:17] <adiroiban> and do a full text search on all files
[20:17] <magcius> heh
[20:17] <magcius> what I'm really looking for is the timeline graph JavaScript code
[20:18] <adiroiban> magcius: the one under „Series and milestones” ?
[20:18] <magcius> adiroiban: yes
[20:21] <adiroiban> registry/templates/timeline-macros.pt
[20:23] <adiroiban> magcius: that should be the starting point... then look for javascript code in lib/canonical/launchpad/javascript/registry
[20:23] <magcius> adiroiban: alright, thank yo
[20:23] <adiroiban> or if it was moved... in lib/lp/registry/javascsript


[12:31] <ScorpKing> bigleon_: 7.10 isn't working too well yet
[12:31] <cash> thnx a loTT
[12:31] <bigleon_> oh can you get me a live disk dl for 7.04 then
[12:31] <bigleon_> i can't seem to get anywebsite but google for some reason
[12:32] <feierfox> hello
[12:32] <Rask330> BluesKaj:  Guess that's it then :/  Know of anyone else who could help me further?
[12:32] <ScorpKing> bigleon_: wget http://mirrors.gigenet.com/ubuntu/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:32] <hitmanWilly> bigleon_, well, wget probably won't work either, then
[12:32] <feierfox> will there be a full-encryption by installation in gutsy? :/
[12:32] <bigleon_> well all my  IM's work. it just seems my  browser went gay
[12:32] <hitmanWilly> bigleon_, ok
[12:33] <ScorpKing> bigleon_: did that help?
[12:33] <hitmanWilly> ScorpKing, that's feisty, he wants gutsy
[12:33] <ScorpKing> hitmanWilly: he said 7.04 is fine 10 lines up. :)
[12:33] <bigleon_> sure did
[12:33] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok :)
[12:34] <bigleon_> will wget do mutiple concurrent connections?
[12:34] <bigleon_> automaticly?
[12:34] <hitmanWilly> i guess that's why I make a lousy programmer...lol
[12:34] <ScorpKing> bigleon_: if the download stop for some reason just add -c after wget and it will carry on.
[12:35] <ScorpKing> bigleon_: not sure about multiple connections
[12:35] <bigleon_> ok
[12:35] <rustalot> When I try to do apt-get update, I get "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)", but (to my knowledge) no other program is using it.
[12:35] <cash> Hello again ) Maybe any known some source about optimization of Kubuntu.I mean nedded software,some setting ,etc ?
[12:35] <hitmanWilly> !aptfix | rustalot
[12:35] <Ubotu> rustalot: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Rask330, anyone here can help but you have to ask
[12:36] <Rask330> Okie.
[12:36] <lnx_> how i can set my screen resolution ?
[12:36] <hitmanWilly> lnx_, what res do you want?
[12:37] <bigleon_> Rask which Ver of Kubuntu?
[12:37] <rustalot> and I'm having other problems with apt
[12:37] <lnx_> hitmanWilly , 1024 * 768 i think ( or something very close to this )
[12:37] <tinin> Hi, could you please recomend me an application to manage my wifi connection?
[12:37] <ScorpKing> is the a 'migrating to kubuntu' or 'using kubuntu for the first time' book available somewhere?
[12:37] <hitmanWilly> lnx_, what's it at now?
[12:38] <lnx_> 1028*1024
[12:38] <bigleon_> Scorpking Actually if i'm not mistaken, wiki.ubuntu.com has alot of FAQ's  for the new kubuntu user
[12:38] <BluesKaj> !wireless | tinin
[12:38] <Ubotu> tinin: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:38] <Rask330> bigleon_:  7.04


[11:43] <Paddy_NI> Hi I am setting up a pc for a client/friend of mine and I am having tremendous difficulties figuring out how to get a resolution of 1920x1080 out of a GTX 1050 ti using the proprietary drivers.  So far I used the default driver upon inserting the card (nouveu) and it gave 1920x1080.  The 390 driver and the lower numbered one, both of which gave terrible low resolutions (1600x900 being the highest, although gets cut
[11:43] <Paddy_NI> off at the edges of the display). xrandr fails to addmode (supposedly due to a restriction in the proprietary driver) and the 396 and 410 drivers both give the same low resolutions.
[11:44] <Paddy_NI> Reverting back to the Nouveu driver is also a failure in that it has reportedly reverted back however I now only have a single tiny resolution (800x600 I think or perhaps lower)
[11:45] <Paddy_NI> I have removed the xorg.conf a number of time in order to make sure it is not being influenced by previous driver configurations, still not working as expected
[11:45] <Paddy_NI> adding a modeline entry to xorg.conf broke X too
[11:45] <Paddy_NI> Running Ubuntu MATE 18.04
[12:57] <Paddy_NI> Is there anyone here?
[12:59] <tjaalton> you need to purge the nvidia driver in order to use nouveau again
[13:10] <Paddy_NI> tjaalton: I have done, it's using Nouveau now although it does not have it's original list of resolutions namely 1920x1080
[13:10] <Paddy_NI> It's actually running at 640x480
[13:11] <tjaalton> lsmod |grep nouveau
[13:12] <Paddy_NI> tjaalton: No results :-(
[13:12] <tjaalton> so you have it blacklisted still, meaning you didn't remove nvidia hard enough
[13:12] <Paddy_NI> Oh?
[13:13] <Paddy_NI> I did sudo apt purge nvidia-driver* and sudo apt autoremove. I also removed the contents of the blacklist file, well the entries relating to nouveau
[13:14] <tjaalton> and rebooted?
[13:14] <tjaalton> dunno then
[13:14] <Paddy_NI> Should I delete this file entirely "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia-nouveau.conf"
[13:14] <tjaalton> most likely
[13:14] <Paddy_NI> Okay
[13:15] <tjaalton> also need to run 'update-initramfs -k all -u
[13:15] <tjaalton> '
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> I did "update-initramfs -u"
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> no the -k all -u
[13:16] <tjaalton> should do
[13:16] <Paddy_NI> I am doing your one now too
[13:17] <tjaalton> it just updates it for all kernels
[13:17] <Paddy_NI> Ah I see
[13:17] <tjaalton> not the one you're running
[13:17] <tjaalton> not just
[13:17] <Paddy_NI> Okay so now I'll reboot
[13:18] <Paddy_NI> hmm.. still 640x480
[13:19] <Paddy_NI> And no results for lsmod | grep nouveau
[13:19] <Paddy_NI> I am completely baffled
[13:20] <tjaalton> did you install the kernel manually+
[13:20] <tjaalton> ?
[13:20] <tjaalton> or is it from the disto
[13:20] <tjaalton> distro
[13:21] <Paddy_NI> tjaalton: From the distro
[13:22] <Paddy_NI> Ubuntu MATE 18.04
[13:22] <Paddy_NI> I did in my desperation add the graphics drivers ppa
[13:22] <Paddy_NI> Would that have caused any trouble?
[13:22] <tjaalton> maybe
[13:22] <Paddy_NI> oh
[13:22] <Paddy_NI> :-(
[13:23] <tjaalton> dmesg|grep nvidia
[13:23] <tjaalton> or, grep nomodeset /proc/cmdline
[13:23] <Paddy_NI> No results
[13:24] <Paddy_NI> No results for that either
[13:24] <tjaalton> check dmesg
[13:24] <tjaalton> search for nouveau or drm
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> Do I just run "dmesg | grep -i nouveau" or "dmesg | grep -i drm"?
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> No results for nouveau
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> $ dmesg | grep -i drm
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> [    2.152418] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
[13:26] <Paddy_NI> [    2.155624] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
[13:26] <tjaalton> ok
[13:30] <Paddy_NI> I am just going to make a cup of tea, might calm my nerves :-)
[13:30] <Paddy_NI> tjaalton: I do appreciate your help very much by the way. Thank you
[13:31] <Paddy_NI> I honestly have no idea what to do
[13:31] <tjaalton> sounds like nouveau is still blacklisted
[13:31] <tjaalton> try loading it manually
[13:31] <tjaalton> modprobe nouveau
[13:31] <Paddy_NI> Will try that right now
[13:32] <Paddy_NI> $ sudo modprobe nouveau
[13:32] <Paddy_NI> [sudo] password for caoimhin:
[13:32] <Paddy_NI> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:832 kmod_module_insert_module() could not find module by name='off'
[13:32] <Paddy_NI> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'off': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[13:33] <tjaalton> huh
[13:33] <tjaalton> dmesg|tail
[13:34] <Paddy_NI> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D5Kwh6Z2Y7/
[13:35] <tjaalton> ok, wonder if that means it's blacklisted
[13:35] <tjaalton> grep -r nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/
[13:35] <Paddy_NI> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf:blacklist nouveau
[13:35] <Paddy_NI> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf:blacklist lbm-nouveau
[13:35] <Paddy_NI> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf:alias nouveau off
[13:35] <Paddy_NI> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf:alias lbm-nouveau off
[13:36] <tjaalton> heh
[13:37] <Paddy_NI> Okay so I deleted those entries
[13:37] <tjaalton> just ppa-purge the ppa
[13:37] <Paddy_NI> Should I update initramfs again?
[13:37] <Paddy_NI> ah okay
[13:39] <Paddy_NI> Okay I removed those entries from the blacklist file, purged the ppa and performed and update on initramfs. Should I also delete that "/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf" file?
[13:39] <Paddy_NI> I thought I had previously deleted it
[13:40] <Paddy_NI> Perhaps it was a different file or it was recreated by something installed via that ppa
[13:40] <Paddy_NI> Okay so reboot
[13:41] <Paddy_NI> I probably should have checked to see if there was a "xorg.conf" needing deleted
[13:41] <Paddy_NI> Oh it's looking like it's 1080p now!
[13:42] <Paddy_NI> tjaalton: It's 1080p now :-)
[13:42] <tjaalton> cool
[13:43] <Paddy_NI> I wonder how on earth I am going to get the proprietary driver installed and running at 1080p
[13:43] <Paddy_NI> My client/mate will be using this for gaming
[13:44] <Paddy_NI> tjaalton: By the way thank you for your patience
[13:44] <tjaalton> np
[13:49] <Paddy_NI> I am just going to run "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390" to see what I get this time.  Perhaps the same but, fingers crossed
[13:54] <Paddy_NI> Okay so I installed "nvidia-driver-390" and reboot.  It seems to have installed successfully however I believe it's still using the Nouveau driver
[13:55] <tjaalton> you probably have no blacklist
[13:56] <tjaalton> I think some package was left in a conf-installed state and you removed the configs by hand, so it's not going to replace them
[13:58] <Paddy_NI> Oh, does this mean I am screwed?
[13:59] <Paddy_NI> Sorry I really need to grab a drink of tea
[13:59] <Paddy_NI> be straight back
[14:00] <tjaalton> someone who knows the nvidia driver better might be able to help with that..
[14:08] <Paddy_NI> Okay thank you tjaalton, I wonder if there is ever a good time to be on this channel for help.  It seems awfully quiet.
[14:09] <tjaalton> it usually is, until there's a new nvidia version out..
[14:09] <Paddy_NI> Ah I see
[14:09] <Paddy_NI> Makes sense
[16:11] <mamarley> Speaking of new NVIDIA releases being out… https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/138959/en-us :)
[16:25] <tjaalton> so it's out of beta now?
[16:25] <mamarley> Apparently. :)
[17:52] <soee> 410.66 driver released ;)