[09:52] <Jack3> dbo, just says config file specified, but /etc/dbus-1/system.conf already exists
[09:53] <DBO> thats not how its supposed to work...
[09:53] <Jack3> i think its using system.conf
[09:53] <joakim_> I tried the MultiPASS C5000 model but some went wrong with the print out..color mismatch
[09:53] <DBO> Jack3, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[09:54] <DBO> that script should read in the config file...
[09:54] <Jack3> Failed to start message bus: The pid file "/usr/var/run/dbus/pid" exists, if the message bus is not running, remove this file
[09:55] <DBO> interestingly... that should NOT be doing that...
[09:55] <KevinAlaska> joakim_ here is a website worth looking at... http://www.turboprint.de/english.html not sure what it fully is but its a start
[09:56] <DBO> Jack3, give it the restart command
[09:56] <joakim_> ok thanks...
[09:57] <Jack3> dbo, gives that same error
[09:57] <Jack3> i think this must be from me messing with compiling dbus myself
[09:57] <DBO> Jack3, do you have a /etc/dbus-1/system-local.conf
[09:57] <DBO> yes I agree it probably is
[09:58] <Jack3> no , no system-local
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Jack3: iirc, you can grab that off the SVN and build it for you system
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc, they use SVN...
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> but i don't remember and it's late here for me.
[09:58] <joakim_> ok thanks Kevin ..I'll leave now
[09:59] <KevinAlaska> sure?  did you find anything?
[09:59] <DBO> Jack3, how long ago did you compile dbus?
[10:00] <Jack3> a few hours ago
[10:00] <Jack3> i tried make uninstallin everything but it didnt help
[10:02] <DBO> you have to have some spare config file laying around, system-local or something
[10:02] <jang_> hi
[10:03] <wombat_> hi
[10:03] <wombat_> teh this is good
[10:04] <wombat_> anyone have luck installing Google Earth 4.1
[10:04] <Jack3> dbo, i dunno wha you mean
[10:05] <wombat_> google earth, it's like a 3d rendered map of the earth compiled for debian
[10:06] <wombat_> sorta works on kubuntu, 'cept im having problems with resolution915
[10:06] <DBO> Jack3, give me ls -Ra /etc/dbus-1
[10:06] <KevinAlaska> Anyone here able to help help me understand WHICH PART of the file to edit in with the command "sudo visudo" which give me the file to edit here--> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/916317 ... it tells me to "Change the user part and add the following to the end of the file" (the part to add is---> "user ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/g15daemon") but in that file I see 2 user parts. Which user part am I supposed to add?  Because there is a '# User alias spec
[10:06] <KevinAlaska> ion'?
[10:06] <wombat_> some of the graphics is trashd
[10:07] <Jack3> dbo, http://www.pastebin.ca/515559
[10:07] <wombat_> n e way lemme know if someone has got Google Earth to play nice
[10:08] <adi> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL change the root part to your user this would give you the potion to sudo any command
[10:09] <DBO> Jack3, do you happen to have a /usr/etc/dbus-1?
[10:10] <Jack3> dbo, yeh
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> adi, ahhh.. so the part that is the following I put it at the end?
[10:10] <Jack3> dbo, i found the problem i think
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> #
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> # User privilege specification
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> #
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> after the root part?
[10:10] <Jack3> i downloaded the dbus source and did ./configure, its because the auto prefix is /usr
[10:11] <adi> yeah you can just add a line that says  (username)    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:11] <adi> username is your user
[10:11] <DBO> well now that you know your a big dumb dumb =P  You think you can handle that one Jack3?
[10:11] <DBO> Jack3, running "which dbus-daemon" might be a helpful bit of info too =)
[10:12] <Jack3> dbo, well, if i do ./configure --prefix=/ that would put it in /var/run/dbus, but wouldnt the other files just dump into /
[10:12] <KevinAlaska> adi, right.. okay thank you. last part it asks me is to do this in gnome but granted.. I am usind KDE but is there something simular.. here is what the last step is: After this go to System->Preferences->Sessions and add sudo g15daemon to the list
[10:13] <DBO> Jack3, didnt everything dump into the right path with a /usr tacked on the start?
[10:13] <Jack3> ill check
[10:13] <DBO> Jack3, otherwise there are usually more advanced configuration options
[10:14] <Jack3> now its /usr/var/run lol
[10:14] <DBO> also you can probably just change the configure file in /usr/etc/dbus-1/system.conf to reflect the proper paths
[10:14] <DBO> Jack3, yes yes, and the exe is in /usr/usr/bin/dbus/daemon?
[10:15] <DBO> why did I say eye... get out of my head Billy
[10:15] <DBO> exe
[10:15] <DBO> the bin, the bin is in /usr/usr/bin/dbus-daemon
[10:15] <Jack3> im just gonna edit the configure file in the source and compile it again
[10:15] <DBO> you want to check where that bin is landing first
[10:15] <adi> well i would just open a terminal and run sudoedit /etc/sudoers
[10:16] <Jack3> im just changing this localstatedir='${prefix}/var' to localstatedir='/var'
[10:16] <KevinAlaska> nothing in KDE to do the sessions editing or what ever its called then? but I will try that way
[10:16] <Jack3> dbo, should that do it?
[10:17] <DBO> Jack3, well you also have things going into /usr/etc that need to be fixed too
[10:18] <wombat_> helo
[10:19] <wombat_> linux for humans, all the rest of u propellor heads can fuck off
[10:19] <wombat_> hi :)
[10:19] <DBO> wombat_, language
[10:19] <Jucato> !language | wombat_
[10:19] <ubotu> wombat_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:20] <wombat_> k
[10:20] <hassi> ahoi
[10:20] <sombhotla> hi room
[10:20] <wombat_> hi
[10:20] <wombat_> any 1 tried that Google Earth yet?
[10:22] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: maybe we have talked in here before :)
[10:22] <Jucato> !autostart | KevinAlaska
[10:22] <ubotu> KevinAlaska: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:22] <Jucato> you might need that too
[10:22] <chuen> Hi, can someone try to clarify a 'boot' problem I'm having?
[10:22] <wombat_> mayb
[10:22] <Jucato> !someone
[10:22] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:22] <wombat_> whats the problem
[10:23] <KevinAlaska> oh .. heh.. hay Jucato..  :-|
[10:23] <Jucato> :)
[10:23] <Tm_T> Jucato: have you seen the light?
[10:23] <Jucato> Tm_T: depends on which light you're talking about. haven't seen the Sun in quite a while :P
[10:23] <KevinAlaska> the directions told me to add 'sudo g15daemon' to the list on sessions?  does that make any sense?
[10:23] <KevinAlaska> jucato
[10:24] <chuen> OK. When Grub starts, it now only gets as far as the 'boot' command. I then have to 'intervene' , access the menu and manually select whicj kernel i want.
[10:24] <chuen> then the sequence continues OK.
[10:24] <Tm_T> Jucato: me ofcourse
[10:24] <wombat_> yeah sounds like you screwed up menu.lst
[10:24] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: hm... only for GNOME. best way to do it in KDE is to leave g15daemon running when you logout. it should be restarted when you log back in. not sure about the need for a password
[10:24] <chuen> This happened after I installed GDE. But I can't imagine how the 2 might be related (maybe they're not)
[10:24] <Jucato> Tm_T: heh. I haven't seen you until today :P
[10:24] <wombat_> do a search for that file and fix it
[10:24] <KevinAlaska> its off when I log back in
[10:25] <Tm_T> Jucato: shame on you
[10:25] <chuen> wombat_: Thanks. What kind of error should I be looking for (as I haven't got a clue!)?
[10:25] <KevinAlaska> unless I do not need to after this edited file in sudo visudo
[10:25] <Jack3> dbo, okay i make installed everything, now how do i start this?
[10:25] <KevinAlaska> er.. /etc/sudoers
[10:25] <KevinAlaska> added the ; user ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/g15daemon
[10:26] <wombat_> just sudo apt-get install kde-base and cross ur fingers
[10:26] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: oh, try making a link to ~/kde/Autostart then
[10:26] <KevinAlaska> line to the #User priviledge specifications
[10:26] <wombat_> actually start with lilo or grub u might be able to save your exisiting installation
[10:27] <KevinAlaska> oh.. how then? :-|
[10:27] <wombat_> dunno, sudo apt-get install grub sounds about right
[10:28] <chuen> wombat_: What should I be looking for in menu.lst ?
[10:28] <DBO> first Jack3, run "which dbus-daemon"
[10:28] <MPS> hi
[10:28] <KevinAlaska> howdy! :)
[10:28] <wombat_> try this in console, sudo locate menu.lst
[10:29] <Jack3> dbo, /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon
[10:29] <wombat_> that will tell you if it exists
[10:29] <MPS> i am having a question about special keys on my nc6120 using feisty
[10:29] <wombat_> if it does'nt then you haven't got a bootloader
[10:29] <MPS> there's an information key. usually this calls the kde help. but i'
[10:29] <chuen> wombat_: I have the file open - but what error should I look for?
[10:29] <wombat_> try it and get back to me
[10:30] <ompaul> wombat_, so will 'gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.list'  ;-)
[10:30] <DBO> Jack3, is that where you installed it to?
[10:30] <wombat_> read the entries, there should be one for each operating system
[10:30] <DBO> ompaul, kubuntu =P
[10:30] <wombat_> yeah that sounds good
[10:30] <ompaul> DBO, ARRRR
[10:30] <MPS> but i won't that. i like that it calls an app oder next song in amarok. i also give it an new symcode, F20. but
[10:30] <chuen> wombat_: Yep.
[10:30] <MPS> but it also doesn't work. anyone an idea?
[10:30] <Jack3> dbo, i think so
[10:30] <ompaul> DBO, thats what happens for joining all them channels :)
[10:30] <KevinAlaska> jucato let me try rebooting with what I have so far and see if it stays up.
[10:31] <DBO> ompaul, I know, I got sucked in here the same way
[10:31] <wombat_> well thats where ur problem is, next
[10:31] <DBO> Jack3, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[10:32] <MPS> anyone an idea?
[10:32] <wombat_> gotta go code in .NET :(
[10:32] <wombat_> cya
[10:32] <chuen> wombat_: Are you answering 2 people? is the "well that's where your problem is" for me?
[10:33] <wombat_> yep
[10:33] <wombat_> bye
[10:33] <chuen> wombat_: I don't understand - but bye.
[10:43] <phred___> Hello
[10:44] <KevinAlaska> hello phred__
[10:44] <phred___> how many lock files are there for the apt / adept system?
[10:44] <KevinAlaska> /shrug  :`(
[10:45] <phred___> I have deleted 4 from /var... nothing is running to use it, but I still can't get in.
[10:46] <phred___> running find again.. there are more
[10:46] <Jucato> !adeptfix | phred___
[10:46] <ubotu> phred___: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:49] <michael__> omg
[10:49] <Shibby86> hey all
[10:49] <Jack3> who was i just talkin too?
[10:49] <Shibby86> New kubuntu user here
[10:49] <Shibby86> jack3: not me
[10:50] <Shibby86> anybody who knows how to install a NVIDIA card on Kubuntu feisty?
[10:50] <Jack3> DBO, i fixed it!!!!!!!!
[10:51] <Jucato> !nvidia | Shibby86
[10:51] <Jack3> dbo, i went and manually downloaded the dbus deb from archive.ubuntu.com and installed it and it works now!
[10:51] <ubotu> Shibby86: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:51] <Shibby86> jucato: what will that do?
[10:51] <Shibby86> ubotu: Okey, I will take a look right now
[10:52] <Jucato> !thanks | Shibby86
[10:52] <ubotu> Shibby86: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[10:52] <GuHHH> lol
[10:52] <Shibby86> good to know :-)
[10:52] <Shibby86> have to learn every day
[10:52] <phred___> no output from fuser... dpkg showed   setting up  (listed three files)
[10:52] <KevinAlaska> the bot is EVIL I say E V I L ! !
[10:53] <phred___> still have lock files... can I just delete them?
[10:57] <KevinAlaska> Dear! Dear! Jucato, Friend, Buddy, Pal, Chum! :) you mentioned ~/KDE/autostart link... how do I do that?
[10:58] <KevinAlaska> g15daemon didn't load up automaticly
[10:58] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: go to ~/.kde/Autostart right-click in the window -> Create New -> Link to Application
[10:59] <ShadyTree> or go to that folder, and drag a link from your Start menu into it
[10:59] <ShadyTree> and copy
[10:59] <Shibby86> where is this option? (System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager) in kubuntu feisty (kde)
[10:59] <ShadyTree> we didnt get that
[10:59] <Shibby86> I can never find it :-/
[10:59] <KevinAlaska> oh.. its just a konsole thing.. sudo g15daemon :)
[11:00] <sanelson_> can one run the "migration assistant" after install?
[11:00] <ShadyTree> Only Ubuntu got the RDM
[11:00] <thumper> how come when I started Konversation with beryl as window manager I got a Server List window that was always in front?
[11:00] <ShadyTree> it's a bug
[11:00] <thumper> reported?
[11:00] <ShadyTree> you can drag it onto a diff desktop I gues
[11:00] <ShadyTree> idk
[11:00] <KevinAlaska> I see.. so by default autostart is empty.  like the startup folder in ((cough)) windowsxp ((cough cough))
[11:02] <KevinAlaska> thank you though.. I got it. woot. /bad_dance
[11:03] <sanelson_> is the uma only part of the installer?
[11:03] <Cosmo__> hmmm, getting ready to build a new system and can't decide between a AMD Athlon 64 x2 5600 or a core 2 duo e6400. any suggestions?
[11:04] <sanelson_> in fact, I didn't see it on install - is this another thing that kubuntu didn't get?
[11:04] <ShadyTree> I dont think Kubuntu got that either
[11:04] <ShadyTree> Kubuntu didnt get 1-click Compiz either
[11:05] <ShadyTree> I guess they wanted to test them out first before giving them to us
[11:07] <ShadyTree> I guess so
[11:07] <KevinAlaska> AMD tends to be better with games if thats important..   :-d
[11:08] <ShadyTree> probably not, since he's using Linux
[11:08] <KevinAlaska> I said "if"!  heh.  ;P
[11:11] <ShadyTree> maybe thats from removing ubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <ShadyTree> maybe you removed a program that was linked to ubuntu-desktop, so ubuntu-desktop got deleted
[11:14] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:17] <harmental> Im having a weird problem with my wifi connection.....
[11:17] <harmental> but when i ping google or my router it doesnt find anything...
[11:17] <harmental> at startup...it seeems like it is connected to my router....
[11:18] <harmental> ive been having this problem since i upgraded to feisty....
[11:18] <harmental> i have to disconnect and then reconnect...
[11:18] <harmental> then its all ok...
[11:18] <harmental> any ideas?
[11:19] <Ash-Fox> !kfreebsd
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kfreebsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <Cosmo__> hmmm, getting ready to build a new system and can't decide between a AMD Athlon 64 x2 5600 or a core 2 duo e6400. any suggestions?
[11:20] <adaptr> Cosmo__ you're repeating and have been answered
[11:21] <rothchild> harmental do you have knetworkmanager installed?
[11:21] <Cosmo__> adaptr: sorry must have missed the answer
[11:21] <adaptr> must have been another channel, then
[11:21] <harmental> rothchild: yeap...
[11:21] <adaptr> what do you intend to use it for ?
[11:22] <Cosmo__> games, video encoding, web surfing etc.
[11:23] <ShadyTree> [09:07]  <KevinAlaska> AMD tends to be better with games if thats important..   :-d
[11:23] <adaptr> get the core duo, then - it beats AMD by up to 30% for video work
[11:25] <rothchild> harmental I have a similar issue but it's not consistent sometimes knetwork manager crashes at boot and I have to hit ctrl / esc kill it and restart it, maybe if you're just using one AP you could configure it with /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:25] <harmental> rothchild: AP?
[11:26] <rothchild> harmental sorry 'access point' (your wireless router)
[11:27] <harmental> what bugs me is that when do the whole disconnect/connect thing...it works like charm...
[11:27] <harmental> rothchild: and also that before doing that it "seems" to already connected....
[11:29] <epimeth> I don't think that the netman actually crashes... I think that the tray icon just doesn't appear
[11:30] <rothchild> epimeth, yeah it's still running cos I can see it in the process table but it doesn't allow me to connect
[11:31] <rothchild> where does knetwork manager keep it's log? is it possible to tail it?
[11:33] <harmental> rothchild: may i show you my /etc/network/interfaces file?
[11:34] <Ash-Fox> rothchild, I imagine daemon reloads from knetwork manager are logged in /var/log/syslog
[11:35] <rothchild> Ash-Fox thanks
[11:35] <rothchild> harmental sure we can compare, what card do you have?
[11:36] <harmental> rothchild: DLink DWL-G650 (PCMCIA)
[11:37] <wombat_> #ubuntu-au
[11:38] <wombat_> connect #ubuntu-au
[11:39] <_4strO> /join #ubuntu-au
[11:39] <wombat_> thx
[11:39] <_4strO> would be better ;)
[11:39] <wombat_> hi
[11:39] <_4strO> yo
[11:40] <wombat_> ur aussie, good 1
[11:40] <wombat_> u tried google earth yet?
[11:41] <_4strO> yes but didn't work fine
[11:41] <_4strO> too slow for me
[11:42] <rothchild> harmental here's mine http://pastebin.ca/515653
[11:42] <harmental> pastebin doesnt work here...donno whats happening...
[11:43] <rothchild> harmental try http://pastebin.ca/new.php
[11:43] <harmental> rothchild: heres mine
[11:43] <harmental> http://pastebin.ca/515656
[11:44] <_4strO> harmental: weird
[11:44] <_4strO> is it you who have written it ?
[11:44] <rothchild> they're very different aren't they!?
[11:45] <rothchild> does knetworkmanager rely on the interfaces file though?
[11:45] <harmental> _4strO: ive just modified the default file with my ath0 settings
[11:45] <_4strO> rothchild: yours is standard
[11:46] <rothchild> works though!
[11:46] <_4strO> harmental: i think have your wireless-key written like this in a file is weird
[11:46] <harmental> rothchild: where do you keep your wep?
[11:47] <rothchild> I use wpa and knetworkmanager handles it for me in conjunction with kwallet
[11:47] <harmental> _4strO: is there another way of doing it?
[11:47] <_4strO> harmental: just using the tool in system settings
[11:47] <harmental> _4strO: could you explain yourself pls?
[11:48] <_4strO> yes
[11:48] <harmental> _4strO: you mean network settings?
[11:48] <wombat_> dhclient wlan0 works too
[11:48] <_4strO> K / system setting / network
[11:48] <defcon_> im having a problem when I have allot of connections open/torrents and firefox windows/irc my ubuntu is internet is really slow even though my connection can handle it in windows
[11:48] <wombat_> wierd
[11:49] <wombat_> my connection rocks
[11:49] <wombat_> you on wifi?
[11:49] <_4strO> harmental: you see what i mean ?
[11:50] <tahsin> does anyone have a link for kubuntu newbie guide?
[11:50] <defcon_> k back
[11:50] <defcon_> any ideas?
[11:50] <wombat_> that BackTrack 2 looks like a mighty fine distro for all you pen testers
[11:50] <harmental> _4strO: yeap...but ive already tried that....
[11:50] <rothchild> hey tahsin you still at it good stuff
[11:50] <defcon_> bt2 rules
[11:51] <tahsin> hey rothchild
[11:51] <harmental> ok guys gimme a sec ...ill try rothchild file ....
[11:51] <wombat_> yeah its sweet, i wanna work out how to unleash all them exploits
[11:51] <tahsin> rothchild: can you help me in step 4
[11:51] <harmental> ill have to reboot.....
[11:51] <rothchild> tahsin www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:52] <rothchild> lol what of that baghira guide?
[11:52] <tahsin> rothchild: step 4 of baghira
[11:52] <tahsin> rothchild: yeah
[11:52] <wombat_> got a holiday soon to play with my linux toys
[11:52] <rothchild> hit me the link
[11:52] <tahsin> okay
[11:52] <tahsin> hold on
[11:53] <tahsin> rothchild: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step4
[11:53] <wombat_> defcon, you had a play with JTR yet?
[11:53] <tahsin> rothchild: i did buildset
[11:54] <tahsin> rothchild: but icons dont change ...i got the same onl kubuntu icons
[11:54] <rothchild> lol I don't even need to look this is icons isn't it?
[11:54] <ulrich> good morning =)
[11:54] <rothchild> did they build ok?
[11:54] <tahsin> rothchild:yup correct
[11:54] <tahsin> rothchild: yup guess so
[11:54] <rothchild> morning ulrich
[11:54] <wombat_> evenin
[11:54] <rothchild> no errors
[11:54] <tahsin> nope
[11:54] <tahsin> i got a file .tar.bz2
[11:55] <rothchild> just go k menu, system settings, appearance, icons, install new icons and point it at your tar.bz2 file that got made by the buildset
[11:55] <tahsin> rothchild:OS-L.tar.bz2
[11:56] <tahsin> rothchild: doing that
[11:57] <gary_> hey ppl
[11:58] <tahsin> rothchild: i hit apple but the icons dont seem to change
[11:59] <rothchild> sometimes it takes a minute to load them all up
[11:59] <tahsin> rothchild: it said updating conguration complete or something
[11:59] <xlinux__> any particular reason my buddies XP can played a burned DVD but I cant? I can play DVDs, so long as theyre store bought.. but ohhhhh hell no.. I have to boot to windows to watch a burned one
[11:59] <tahsin> rothchild: but no icon change
[12:00] <rothchild> tahsin can you see OSL in the list of icon sets?
[12:00] <jeffrey> when I do sudo apt-get update, I'm getting the following error:
[12:00] <tahsin> rothchild yes i can
[12:00] <jeffrey> GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:01] <rothchild> tahsin so click on it and hit apply
[12:01] <tahsin> rothchild yes i did that
[12:01] <tahsin> rothchild but no change
[12:01] <tahsin> rothchild same old kubuntu icons
[12:01] <rothchild> tahsin I'm afraid I don't know then
[12:02] <tahsin> :(
[12:02] <rothchild> tahsin you might want to go through the buildset process again
[12:02] <Andeh> Hey! I just installed the Kubuntu-Desktop package into my normal ubuntu install and i have a problem
[12:02] <tahsin> rothchild okay can u direct me?
[12:02] <xlinux__> soooo sick of everything giving problems... just gets to you after a while
[12:02] <rothchild> did you install the imagemagick package?
[12:03] <tahsin> rothchild yes i did
[12:03] <Andeh> Anyone remember the screen where you get a slider on how powerful your CPU is and how many effects you want?
[12:03] <harmental> rothchild and _4strO:
[12:03] <harmental> thx you guys.
[12:03] <fdoving> Andeh: yes, kpersonalizer
[12:03] <harmental> rothchild file worked like a charm for me!
[12:03] <Andeh> I need it to show again, if possible, cause my crappy laptop isnt happy with all KDE's effects
[12:03] <rothchild> harmental glad to hear it!
[12:04] <fdoving> Andeh: kmenu -> run command -> 'kpersonalizer'
[12:04] <Andeh> Yes thanks i did that
[12:04] <Andeh> Thanks
[12:04] <harmental> rothchild: still dont fully understand the problem though....
[12:04] <harmental> but...hey......right now it works ....that fine with me...
[12:05] <rothchild> harmental I think that knetwork manager uses HAL not the traditional 'interfaces' approach perhaps they just mess with each other?
[12:05] <Andeh> Also, Kde Control Center is not in my K Menu. I need to run the command manually. How do i put it in the menu?
[12:06] <xlinux__> anyone have any ideas why a burned DVD wont work in Kubuntu, but it will in XP? Store bought DVD's work fine
[12:07] <_4strO> harmental: cool :)
[12:08] <Andeh> Does SuperKaramba come with kubuntu?
[12:08] <_4strO> Andeh: not by default
[12:08] <Andeh> Ok, what's the package name?
[12:08] <fdoving> Andeh: guess :)
[12:09] <fdoving> i bet you'll guess right the first time.
[12:09] <Andeh> yaay
[12:09] <Andeh> :D
[12:09] <Andeh> Kde is fun... but running it proves how crappy and old my laptop is :-D
[12:10] <_4strO> Andeh: in kubuntu you have system settings, a kde kontrol light version by defaut ;)
[12:10] <Andeh> One of the best single core pentium 4's, a 3.06 GHz and only 512 mb of ram lol.
[12:10] <Andeh> _4strO: What?
[12:10] <_4strO> you have this : K /system settings
[12:11] <_4strO> it's like k kontrol but just a little lighter
[12:12] <Andeh> _4str0: Yes, clever of kubuntu to put the user friendlier one. My brain nearly exploded when i opened Control Center :-)
[12:13] <basse> hi, i'm running latest kubuntu, and for some reason after boot the network doesnt get real ip. if i run "dhclient" manually it gets one just fine.
[12:14] <basse> any idea how to start solving the problem? bootup doesnt show any messages, only graphical splash
[12:16] <Skiff> guys if you have a 120gb disk what would be a good way to partition?
[12:16] <Skiff> keep in mind Id like a separate partition to just dump crap I dl
[12:17] <ardchoille> Skiff: For a 120gb drive, I usually use half for "crap I dl", and the other half is divided into about 20gb for / and 40gb for /home
[12:17] <adaptr> Skiff I'd set aside 1GB for swap, and create a 16GB root partition; the rest goes to /home
[12:18] <Skiff> k
[12:18] <adaptr> I see no need to separate the crap from your /home, unless you intend to share it with multiple users
[12:18] <Skiff> 15-20gb root is for apps I dl?
[12:18] <adaptr> in which case see ardchoille
[12:18] <Skiff> adaptr, Im not
[12:18] <ardchoille> adaptr: I usually use it for file serving
[12:19] <adaptr> no, it is for the software you install, and 16GB is very, very generous - I run with 8GB root with about half being used
[12:19] <adaptr> but since it's kinda hard to grow later, better make it generous
[12:19] <rothchild> basse its in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:19] <Skiff> ok so should I chooes the guided option use the entire disk when I install?
[12:19] <ardchoille> Skiff: I have been using *ubuntu since warty and haven't ever used more than 6gb for the system
[12:19] <adaptr> you'll have ~95GB left for everything else
[12:20] <Andeh> Hi again
[12:20] <defcon_> help, for some reason my gnome log viewer closes as soon as I open it, could this be a problem since I installed kubuntu onto ubuntu?
[12:20] <ardchoille> but adaptr has a good point, best to make it generous now
[12:20] <Skiff> ok
[12:20] <Skiff> thanks
[12:20] <Skiff> Ill set it manually
[12:20] <adaptr> well, you were even more generous than me, at that
[12:21] <basse> rothchild: thjansk i check into it.  kubuntu is nice, but lot ofthings hidden, and system too new to me.. :)
[12:21] <adaptr> I'd rarely use more than 16GB , unless I intended to install many games (in /opt or wherever) and anticipated having to use a lot of space in /var
[12:21] <ardchoille> I tend to make daily backups and I keep them on the /storage (crap) partition along with mp3' and such
[12:21] <rothchild> basse this is a GRUB thing rather than a Kubuntu thing, most linux distros will use the same config
[12:21] <Andeh> My idea is to save lots of money, buy a dual core 2 and motherboard, more RAM, better graphics, better monitor, put Kubuntu on it and instal fluxbox for when i need to virtualise windows when i'm making music.
[12:21] <Andeh> Sound good?
[12:22] <adaptr> besides those, nothing in root grows much beyond your initial install
[12:22] <Andeh> Fluxbox because it is very light
[12:22] <Skiff> ok thank you gentlemen
[12:22] <adaptr> Andeh virtualize windows *how* ?
[12:22] <basse> rothchild: there isn't a key that i can press and get terminal view?  instead of disabling whole splash
[12:23] <Skiff> btw I shouldnt pick reiserfs right?
[12:23] <Skiff> ext3 for everything for the most part?
[12:23] <adaptr> Skiff yes
[12:23] <adaptr> keep it simple
[12:23] <ardchoille> Skiff: I've never used anything but ext3
[12:24] <ardchoille> Is reiser better than ext3?
[12:24] <Skiff> gotcha
[12:24] <adaptr> I've used reiser, it's only useful if you know you have to serve millions of tiny web pages
[12:24] <Andeh> adaptr: Wine when possible, (wine works with my windows music program) and VirtualBox when not.
[12:24] <Andeh> My licence expired and i made a lovely script that changes the date to when it was valid, runs my music program in Wine and changes it back when i close it.
[12:24] <adaptr> Andeh and do either of those allow you to access your sound hardware directly ?
[12:24] <adaptr> because if not, I wouldn't bother - it's Cubase all the way for me ;-)
[12:24] <rothchild> basse I'm not sure you may be interested in http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/index.jsp?topic=/com.fultus.redhat.elinux4/manuals/rhel-rg-en-4/s1-grub-configfile.html
[12:25] <Andeh> adaptr: Depends how crappy your virtualisation setup is.
[12:25] <Andeh> Hmm. after installing KDE and using it, my HDD is getting filled with junk data
[12:25] <Andeh> lets see about this
[12:27] <Andeh> I also want 4 SATA disks for a software raid 0 setup. I need the Alternate Install CD, right?
[12:28] <adaptr> could be - why not do yourself a favour and set up RAID 10 ?
[12:28] <adaptr> you'd need a decent card for it, but it will be well worth it
[12:28] <adaptr> the adaptecs are around $150 or so, for 4 drives
[12:29] <adaptr> it will be so fast it's scary
[12:29] <ardchoille> hehe
[12:29] <Andeh> How exactly do raid combinations work?
[12:29] <adaptr> what do you mean ?
[12:29] <ardchoille> Apps open before you launch them, lol
[12:29] <Andeh> lol
[12:29] <adaptr> ardchoille I have seen this happen, yes ;-)
[12:30] <Andeh> I know raid 0, 1, 5 and a few others, but how does raid 10 work then?
[12:30] <adaptr> I have installed Windows 2003 server on a 6-disk 15K raid-10 set in 3-4 minutes
[12:30] <adaptr> Andeh it is a stripe set made up of mirrors
[12:30] <Andeh> adaptr: LOL
[12:30] <ardchoille> I saw OpenOffice.org calc open in less than 1 second on a high-end machine.. knocked my socks off.
[12:30] <adaptr> ardchoille without the preloader running ?
[12:30] <Andeh> adaptr: Uuuhhmm?
[12:30] <ardchoille> adaptr: Ah, I don't know about that preloader, it might have been running.
[12:31] <adaptr> ardchoille it usually is, so yeah
[12:31] <basse> rothchild: thanks..  for now, i just edited networking script to do some ifups and downs .. seems to work :)  there must be tools to do this in GUI too i guess..
[12:31] <Andeh> I can get a relatively cheap motherboard with 8 SATA ports, that should install ubuntu in several... seconds?
[12:31] <adaptr> no, it won't have actual RAID functionality
[12:31] <adaptr> forget that
[12:31] <adaptr> for RAID, you *pay* :)
[12:31] <basse> with all the wonderful gui tools, i always seem to miss all of them.. and have to go around of things
[12:32] <SubOne> My videos skip and stutter in firefox/mplayer. I know it's not the connection. Any hints on fixing this?
[12:32] <Andeh> Can anyone tell me what might have caused my / directory free space to go from 50% to 5% after installing Kubuntu-Desktop?
[12:32] <Andeh> I definately had several gigs so i know the actual installation didnt do that... Any ideas?
[12:32] <adaptr> Andeh erm.. the KDE libraries ?
[12:33] <adaptr> Andeh run aptitude clean to remove all downloaded packages, that will get rid of a gig or so
[12:33] <Andeh> adaptr: Which would only cause the free space to go down to 40%
[12:33] <Andeh> ooh ok
[12:33] <Andeh> yeh that probably it
[12:36] <Andeh> is raid 10 faster than raid 0?
[12:36] <Andeh> and why would software raid be a bad idea?
[12:37] <Andeh> ??
[12:37] <tahsin> how do i copy a .tar.bz2 to usr/share/icons  ? ?
[12:37] <ardchoille> What's the command for the ooffice preloader?
[12:38] <MartyMcFly> how do I switch the sound from my sound blaster live sound card to my USB headset?
[12:38] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i copy that tarball to usr/share/icons ?
[12:39] <ardchoille> tahsin: sudo cp /path/to/tarball /usr/share/icons
[12:39] <Jucato> tahsin: are you installing a complete icon theme?
[12:39] <Andeh> Why shouldnt i use software raid?
[12:39] <tahsin> jucato: yes i am
[12:40] <Jucato> tahsin: why not just use the icon theme installer in System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons?
[12:40] <Andeh> and if i make regular backups and just want SPEED, i should use raid 0 right?
[12:40] <tahsin> jucato: that doesnt work for this particular icon theme
[12:40] <Jucato> then it's probably not a complete icon theme, and you would probably have to copy the icons to their proper places by hand
[12:41] <tahsin> ardchoille: cp: omitting directory `/home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit'
[12:41] <adaptr> Andeh software raid is not a bad idea at all, but using raid-0 for anything is laughably stupid
[12:41] <adaptr> unless it's swap
[12:41] <Andeh> adaptr: Why?
[12:41] <adaptr> because it fails twice as much as a single drive ?
[12:41] <tahsin> jucato: its a complete icon theme i guess
[12:41] <ardchoille> Jucato: It's an icon set created from a build script, it works but it uses a "index.theme" instead of a "desktop.theme" which is why I think kcontrol pukes on it.
[12:41] <Andeh> If i make regular backups then it wont suck, right?
[12:42] <Jucato> ardchoille: Icon themes use index.theme :)
[12:42] <adaptr> Andeh if you make regular backups of the entire 4-disk stripe set ? where would you put that ?
[12:42] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ok, then this one uses a desktop.theme file instead.
[12:42] <tahsin> ardchoille: cp: omitting directory `/home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit'
[12:42] <adaptr> I would advise against using anything smaller then 250GB SATA2 these days, as they cost next to nothing
[12:42] <ardchoille> The theme works, tho
[12:42] <Andeh> adaptr: No, backups of the data they contain. This i would put on an external hard drive.
[12:42] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i copy it?
[12:42] <kristina> hi, what was the command to make sure I own all the files in my home directory?
[12:42] <adaptr> so you'd end up with a 1TB system, and you would back this up how ?
[12:42] <Andeh> Just my homefolder anyway
[12:43] <adaptr> Andeh how big are these 4 drives ?
[12:43] <Andeh> adaptr: Depends but i am 12 years old and dont have too much money to spend on drives.
[12:43] <tahsin> i tried this without success tahsin@tahsin-desktop:~$ sudo cp /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit /usr/share/icons
[12:43] <ardchoille> tahsin: Dude, please ask someone else. Too often I give you commands and you either don't pay attention or I don't know what. And you really need to stop with the eye candy and learn basic file system navigation, then ome back to the eye candy.
[12:44] <adaptr> Andeh what I would not do, however, is run raid-10 in software, because there is no direct module for it, so you'd end up with running raid-0 on top of 2 raid-1 arrays, which is 3 times the processing
[12:44] <tahsin> ardchoille: :(
[12:44] <adaptr> Andeh okay, so why would you want to buy 4 drives in the first place ?
[12:44] <Andeh> adaptr: But i could run raid 1 or raid 0 in software, right? I also read software raid 5 is crap.
[12:44] <adaptr> if you want to save money then buy one, or 2, or 3 - not as many as will fit
[12:44] <tahsin> jucato: can you help me here ?
[12:45] <Andeh> adaptr: Cause my current drives suck in size and speed and in raid 0 the more the better?
[12:45] <adaptr> Andeh software raid-5 is *slow*, yes
[12:45] <Jucato> tahsin: um I'm not familiar with the icon theme. sorry
[12:45] <adaptr> Andeh not so, invest a little in security now, thank me later
[12:45] <Andeh> adaptr: yes, no point in software raid 5. Like a bad complex version of raid 1.
[12:45] <adaptr> Andeh is this for a desktop system ?
[12:45] <tahsin> jucato: no just teach me how to copy a file to /usr/share/icons
[12:45] <Jucato> ardchoille, tahsin: although if it does't use the correct index.theme, then I doubt KDE will be able to see it as a valid icon theme
[12:46] <adaptr> Andeh not at all, we use it extensively, but then our raid controllers cost a bit more than your entire computer ;)
[12:46] <Jucato> tahsin: don't. not in /usr/share/icons. just put in ~/.kde/share/icons
[12:46] <Andeh> adaptr: Yes. I would never use a raid 0 for a professional environment.
[12:46] <tahsin> jucato: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step4
[12:46] <adaptr> Andeh that's pretty funny, you talking about a "porfessional environment" ;-)
[12:46] <Jucato> tahsin: extract the contents of the .tar.bz2 into ~/.kde/share/icons
[12:46] <adaptr> erm
[12:46] <ardchoille> tahsin: When you get a chance, please read this page.. it'll help you a great deal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:47] <tahsin> ardchoille: thnx
[12:47] <Andeh> adaptr: Well i can't start one at my age can i?
[12:47] <Andeh> I use web hosting lol
[12:47] <Andeh> Cant be bothered with my own server. Even my router doesnt work properly lol
[12:47] <Andeh> Now back to the raidf
[12:48] <Andeh> raid*
[12:48] <Jucato> tahsin: Download the file in the ~/.kde/share/icons/ directory (~ is your home). Unzip it, you get an OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit/ folder. Enter this folder and launch the buildset script from a console (type F4 from konqueror to open a console in the current directory):
[12:48] <tahsin> jucato: i did those
[12:48] <Jucato> tahsin: it says in ~/.kde/share/icons/ not in /usr/share/icons
[12:48] <Andeh> If i could buy a bunch of small second hand identical SATA drives, what would be the best thing to do with them if i wanted optimal speed?
[12:48] <Jucato> tahsin: ok just reading
[12:48] <tahsin> jucato: in the forth paragrahph
[12:49] <Jucato> tahsin: so it doesn't work from System Settings?
[12:49] <tahsin> jucato: nope
[12:49] <MartyMcFly> how do I switch the sound output from my sound blaster live sound card to my USB headset?
[12:49] <tahsin> jucato: BUT IT FAILED ON MANDRIVE @))% and also on my kubuntu
[12:49] <tahsin> MANDRIVA 2005
[12:50] <Jucato> hm.. I can't seem to remember the correct commands for this
[12:51] <Andeh> adaptr: Ok, if i had 4 identical 80 GB SATA hard drives, and no raid controller, and wanted speed, what should i do?
[12:51] <adaptr> Andeh don't by second-hand hard drives - ever
[12:51] <Jucato> which is why I can't give you a command.. it requries sudo... which is a bit scary
[12:51] <Andeh> adaptr: LOL
[12:51] <tahsin> jucato: okay
[12:51] <adaptr> Andeh in that case, set up 2 in a raid-1 for your system, and the remaning two as another raid-1 for whatever
[12:51] <adaptr> there is no excuse for using raid-0, ever
[12:51] <Andeh> adaptr: Ahem. SPEED.
[12:52] <adaptr> unless you're doing heavy video work and need lots of scratch space
[12:52] <adaptr> Andeh system. DIE. ahem.
[12:52] <Andeh> Raid 1 is not speed.
[12:52] <Andeh> I said i make backups.
[12:52] <adaptr> no, it's security
[12:52] <adaptr> well, it's your early funreal
[12:52] <adaptr> bleh
[12:53] <Andeh> Strange how my 12 year old computer hasnt had one funeral yet
[12:53] <adaptr> really, get a medium drive for your system and a big one for data, all done
[12:53] <adaptr> 12 years old ? and you will put SATA in that how ?
[12:53] <Andeh> and it actually runs faster than my windows xp install
[12:53] <adaptr> wait - it was a birth present ? :)
[12:53] <Andeh> No.
[12:54] <ardchoille> Jucato: I placed that icon tarball in /usr/share/icons, unpacked it, went to kcontrol and the icons were there in the icons list. I chose them, clicked Apply and my icons changed to the new theme.  I forgot the correct commands :/
[12:54] <ardchoille> adaptr: too much info, lol
[12:54] <adaptr> heh
[12:55] <tahsin> ardchoille: i didnt put it in /usr/share/icons
[12:55] <ardchoille> tahsin: Where did you put it?
[12:55] <tahsin> ardchoille: i COULDNT put it in /usr/share/icons
[12:55] <Ace2016> raid 10, wouldn't that be better?
[12:56] <tahsin> ardchoille: its in /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons
[12:56] <adaptr> Ace2016 yes
[12:56] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons && ls -a    <-- tell me the last few letters of the icon tarball
[12:56] <tahsin> ardchoille: im having trouble putting it in /usr/share/icons
[12:56] <tahsin> OS-L.tar.bz2
[12:57] <florian> hello
[12:57] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons && tar xjf OS-L.tar.bz2
[12:58] <ardchoille> tahsin: Then restart kcontrol and see if they're in the icon list
[01:00] <tahsin> ardchoille: does that put the tarball in /usr/share/icons ?
[01:00] <ardchoille> tahsin: No, it's already in /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons
[01:01] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes but i have to put it in /usr/share/icons as said by the tutorial
[01:01] <tahsin> ardchoille: and then delete the one in /home/tahsin/.kde.....
[01:01] <ariez> hello??
[01:02] <tahsin> hello rothchild
[01:02] <rothchild> hey ariez
[01:02] <rothchild> hello again tahsin how are you getting along?
[01:02] <tahsin> rothchild yeah im still stuck but i think i got a way
[01:02] <tahsin> rothchild just dont know how to copy a file
[01:03] <ardchoille> tahsin: I feel it's best at this point for you to learn how to use sudo and how to properly navigate the fs as I don't want to be a party in breaking your system.
[01:03] <ariez> Ubuntu rulez
[01:03] <adaptr> thanks for that sentiment
[01:03] <tahsin> ardchoille: dont worry about the system im using linux to experiment so braking the system wont hurt me lol
[01:03] <tahsin> breaking*
[01:04] <rothchild> ehem Kubuntu rulez
[01:04] <rothchild> ;-)
[01:05] <tahsin> rothchild ardchoille  : i have this file OS-L.tar.bz2 loactd in /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit  ...and i want to copy it to /usr/share/icons how do i go about ?
[01:05] <tahsin> located*
[01:06] <rothchild> kdesu konqueror
[01:06] <ardchoille> tahsin: Ok, I'll give you the command to copy and paste into the terminal.
[01:06] <sylvestre> hi all
[01:06] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes please
[01:07] <ardchoille> tahsin: sudo cp /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit/OS-L.tar.bz2 /usr/share/icons
[01:07] <sylvestre> what's the language of this chan, english?
[01:07] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd /usr/share/icons && sudo tar xjf OS-L.tar.bz2
[01:07] <tahsin> ardchoille: thanks got it copied
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> yes
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> english
[01:07] <sylvestre> thanks
[01:08] <sylvestre> (i'am new and i'm lost ^^'
[01:08] <user_> hi everyone
[01:09] <user_> just installed my PC with Kubuntu 7.04
[01:09] <user_> but don't know where to go after this :)
[01:09] <sylvestre> me too
[01:09] <sylvestre> lol
[01:09] <user_> can anyone help me?
[01:10] <user_> what should i do next
[01:10] <tahsin> ardchoille rothchild : thanks got it working finally
[01:10] <SlimeyPete> user_: well, what do you want to do?
[01:10] <rothchild> woo!
[01:10] <tahsin> :d
[01:10] <rothchild> user_ what are you trying to do?
[01:10] <tahsin> WoW the icons are cool
[01:11] <SlimeyPete> user_: you can use "Add/Remove Programs" or "Synaptic" from the menus to install software
[01:11] <user_> i need to get simple apps like DVD & MP3 playing
[01:11] <sylvestre> Join #kubuntu fr
[01:11] <sylvestre> oh
[01:11] <sylvestre> sorry
[01:11] <SlimeyPete> oh wait, I just remembered I'm in 'kubuntu not 'ubuntu ;)
[01:12] <SlimeyPete> user_: you use "Adept" to install software
[01:12] <rothchild> user_ I'd reccomend having a look at www.ubuntuguide.org espcially the bit on adding extra repositories
[01:13] <user_> a lot of things inside Adept Installer are disabled
[01:13] <sylvestre> were can i find a french chan please? (i'm french and totaly lost)
[01:14] <user_> how to enable?
[01:14] <SlimeyPete> user_: disabled?
[01:14] <Andeh> Ok, now without telling me my idea is horrible, CAN i install Kubuntu over a Software raid 0 and will it be faster?
[01:14] <user_> yes
[01:14] <SlimeyPete> user_: do you mean they're not installed? if so, just tick them and hit "apply" (or is it "install"... I'm not in kubuntu at the moment I'm afraid)
[01:15] <user_> ic
[01:15] <SlimeyPete> user_: this is the main way of installing software in Kubuntu. When you tell Adept to install something it will automatically grab the relevant software from the internet and install it for you automatically.
[01:16] <SlimeyPete> user_: if you look around in the menus, there should be an option to add Universe and Multiverse repositories. If you enable these and then reload you package lists, you will be able to install many thousands of applications from within Adept
[01:17] <user_> ok i'll try them out. Thx SlimeyPete :)
[01:18] <SlimeyPete> no problem.
[01:18] <root> hi
[01:19] <root> Dear how can i repair my KUBUNTU 7.40
[01:19] <root> any one can help
[01:19] <root> ,e
[01:19] <root> how can i repair my system
[01:19] <root> ???
[01:20] <root> any one
[01:20] <root> \??
[01:20] <root> is any one here
[01:20] <root> ?
[01:20] <SlimeyPete> well.. we can't help you unless you describe your problem
[01:21] <root> the problem is
[01:21] <root> i can't logged in kubuntu via normal start up
[01:21] <root> i have to use
[01:21] <root> recovey option
[01:21] <SlimeyPete> does it give you an error message?
[01:21] <root> and then have to start the x server
[01:21] <root> the message
[01:22] <root> is
[01:22] <root> sensor limit fail
[01:22] <shampoonator_> cd kde
[01:22] <shampoonator_> ARGZ ><
[01:23] <root> ??
[01:23] <shampoonator_> i wanted todo /join #kde ;)
[01:23] <Andeh> Does anyone here know exactly what is different between MEPIS and Kubuntu? I mean any drastic differences that might be worth noting
[01:23] <SlimeyPete> root: not seen that before
[01:24] <root> ahan
[01:24] <root> so tell me how can i repair all the OS
[01:24] <root> WITHOUT REINSTALLING IT
[01:25] <SlimeyPete> don't shout.
[01:25] <Andeh> Caps is fine too
[01:25] <Andeh> RAWR
[01:25] <SlimeyPete> I don't think you can, to be honest. This sounds like a kernel issue.
[01:26] <root> well give me an idea
[01:26] <rc-win-2-linux> help pls
[01:26] <SlimeyPete> I can't. I don't have any ideas to give.
[01:26] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: help with what?
[01:27] <root> i don understand
[01:27] <root> slimey
[01:27] <rc-win-2-linux> closing /etc/..../network
[01:27] <SlimeyPete> root: I don't know how to solve your problem, sorry.
[01:27] <root> okay
[01:27] <root> and where is ubuntu
[01:27] <rc-win-2-linux> i've typed in my config i want and now wht?
[01:28] <SlimeyPete> root: what do you mean "where is"? www.ubuntu.com
[01:28] <rc-win-2-linux> btw it's ubuntu 7.04 server
[01:28] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: you mean you've altered your network config? do a "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0" where eth0 is your network device
[01:29] <baudthief> I have severe tearing while watching videos with fast-action scenes or draging windows sideways - I'm running nvidia-glx (as far as I can tell) and vsync is enabled... any ideas?
[01:29] <rc-win-2-linux> sorry my wrong
[01:29] <rc-win-2-linux> vi /etc/../network
[01:29] <rc-win-2-linux> vi /etc/../network/interfaces
[01:29] <Skiff> guys the only way to view all yoru partitions is through fdisk or some other app, or maybe there is a command?
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> what's with the ..?
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: you don't want to put the ".." in there. That will open a new file called /network/interfaces.
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> Skiff: there's a utility called parted, and a gui one called gparted.
[01:31] <Skiff> thanks
[01:31] <SlimeyPete> I don't use them though, myself. I use fdisk, because I'm used to it.
[01:31] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete i have the correct vi etc/network/interfaces
[01:33] <adi> you can use parted print
[01:33] <ubuntu__> hi
[01:33] <PeterJB> hi
[01:33] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete i have done what i wanted to change, now how do I save this config ?
[01:33] <ubuntu__> i have installed ubuntu on one hard disk
[01:33] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: ah right. Press escape, then type ":wq"
[01:33] <Andeh> How do i make the K menu button... bigger?
[01:33] <Andeh> Or can i change the icon?
[01:33] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: in future, you may find that nano is easier to use than vi.
[01:34] <Andeh> Yes, nano seems much easier to learn
[01:34] <Andeh> I almost rebooted X when i got stuck in VI lol
[01:35] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete I'm following a how to but there is now instruction as to how to save the config
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: like I said, press escape then type ":wq"
[01:36] <ubuntu__> is it possible to dual boot
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> then hit enter
[01:36] <ubuntu__> help me pls
[01:36] <adaptr> rc-win-2-linux press Esc, then :w to writ eit, then :q to quit
[01:36] <adaptr> oh, he's hard of reading
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu__: yes. Many people dual-boot.
[01:36] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete :-) Ah thx a lot
[01:36] <ardchoille> !dual-boot | ubuntu__ Have a look at this:
[01:36] <ubotu> ubuntu__ Have a look at this:: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: no problem :)
[01:36] <ubuntu__> how can i do that if have 2 os installed already on 2 different harddisks
[01:37] <Andeh> Where do i change the background color of Konqueror? Mine is black and it looks horrible
[01:37] <PeterJB> ubuntu__: You could also try running winxp in vmware server http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209
[01:37] <Andeh> In folders i mean
[01:37] <ardchoille> Andeh: View -> Configure Background
[01:37] <Andeh> oh lol
[01:37] <ardchoille> :)
[01:38] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete I think I'll keep this channel open, i might need you again with this howto
[01:38] <Andeh> No, it's not there and i dont see it in konqueror settings either
[01:38] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: OK. I can't guarantee I'll be here (I keep the channel open 24/7, but I'm not always watching)
[01:38] <SlimeyPete> but if I'm here I'll try to help.
[01:38] <ardchoille> Andeh: It's not there?
[01:39] <ardchoille> Andeh: Do you mean the left pane or right pane of konqueror?
[01:39] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete I understand 100% thanks again
[01:39] <Andeh> Never mind found it
[01:40] <Andeh> LOL
[01:40] <Andeh> I turned on the option to enter 3 stars for every character in a password field and it looks really funny
[01:41] <ardchoille> lol
[01:42] <hyper_ch> hiho
[01:42] <Andeh> Wow... KDE itself is a bit slower than gnome on my old machine but Adept runs about 50 times faster than Synaptic, and seems to have all the functions
[01:42] <Andeh> lol
[01:43] <tapas> is there a way to make kde not shuffle my desktop icons around on every login?
[01:43] <Andeh> I used to wait for minutes when doing a search in synaptic
[01:43] <Andeh> lol
[01:43] <Andeh> adept does this in under a second yay
[01:44] <hyper_ch> tapas: save the session upon exiting
[01:44] <tapas> hyper_ch: bah this saves all open programs with it right?
[01:44] <tapas> i don't want to go that route ;)
[01:45] <tapas> session management always sucks in one way or another. or at least it always has whenever i tried it..
[01:45] <hyper_ch> tapas: save the session once...
[01:45] <hyper_ch> so everytime you login that one session is started again
[01:45] <tapas> hmm, i mean: it works for the icons on the panel. then why not for the ones on the desktop?
[01:45] <WeeJeWel> Anyone managed to install orinoco on kubuntu?
[01:46] <tapas> hyper_ch: but i will try your advice. thanks..
[01:46] <Andeh> Where can i manage sessions in KDE?
[01:46] <hyper_ch> tapas: good luck :)
[01:46] <hyper_ch> Andeh: what do you mean by "manage sessions"?
[01:47] <Andeh> In gnome i can choose if i want it to automatically save the session on logout, ask me, or not, etc. Where is this in KDE?
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> What does this mean?
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> ehh, hold on lol
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> ./home/emile/orinoco/orinoco.c: In functie orinoco_get_drvinfo:
[01:48] <WeeJeWel> ./home/emile/orinoco/orinoco.c:4287: fout: struct net_device has no member named dev
[01:48] <carles> erm
[01:48] <carles> how can i install NTFS-3G
[01:48] <carles> i dont find it in the default repositori
[01:48] <Andeh> hyper_ch: Where is that feature in KDE?
[01:48] <hyper_ch> why does one want to
[01:48] <hyper_ch> Andeh: dunno
[01:48] <Andeh> hyper_ch: The stuff about sessions>
[01:48] <carles> in adept i mean
[01:49] <hyper_ch> Andeh: I don't use kde... but when exiting the gui you should be able to save the session
[01:49] <Andeh> lol you dont use kde
[01:49] <Andeh> I already changed it to autosave it, but i dont want it anymore
[01:49] <carles> i want to access a 2nd hd which is ntfs
[01:49] <wagnix> I just installed kubuntu 3 days ago and my graphic settings have changed each time I have rebooted and now it wont load anything over 640x480.... suggestions?
[01:50] <rc-win-2-linux> could somebody pls check out the hosts section @ http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704_p3 and tell if that looks right?
[01:50] <carles> i want to access a 2nd hd which is ntfs, they told me about NTFS-3G but i cant find in adept, can any1 help me plz?
[01:51] <rc-win-2-linux> my hosts file only has 127... localhost and not a third entry, is that right?
[01:51] <rc-win-2-linux> third entry in the same row
[01:52] <DJServers> darn i have canged the wrong thing now have to reinstall kubuntu :P now doing that :P
[01:55] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete - in nano how do i save the edited file? sorry for all the silly Q's but i very new to linux
[01:55] <gnomefreak> DJServers: what did you change?
[01:55] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: ctrl+x
[01:55] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete - thx
[01:55] <gnomefreak> DJServers: you should beable to in most cases remove ~/.kde but you will lose all settings you have set
[01:55] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: there are keyboard shortcuts listed at the bottom. ^ means ctrl.
[01:55] <gnomefreak> s/remove/move-rename
[01:56] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete - that's where i went wrong i tried alt
[01:56] <DJServers> well
[01:56] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: ah right :)
[01:56] <DJServers> i have changed something in the System setings for my 2 screen and the hole pc crash i am now on the cd
[01:57] <gnomefreak> DJServers: did you try booting into the safemode kernel and reverting your changes?
[01:57] <DJServers> yep didnt work
[02:01] <DJServers> has someone got a ehm.. how to say it..... changing device for a video cart from DFP to CRT ?
[02:04] <_4strO> DJServers: ?
[02:04] <_4strO> you want go back to your old config ?
[02:04] <DJServers> no my old config whas shit thats why i wanted to change it
[02:06] <_4strO> DJServers: ok but now you cant start your X server ?
[02:06] <_4strO> think it isnt  better :p
[02:06] <ReMiiRuru> How can I check my aperture?
[02:07] <DJServers> no i cant start it anymore
[02:07] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: aperture ?
[02:07] <DJServers> when i boot it just wond start up
[02:08] <_4strO> DJServers: ??? have you an error message ?
[02:09] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO: I'm not sure what is that, but I read up on forums that if it's set to 32mb nvidia drivers won't work with the same effect as it doesn't work for me...
[02:09] <DJServers> no look when i swict my pc on it begins booting i get the kubuntu loading screen after that it stops
[02:09] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO:  It has something to do with AGP... I think @_@;
[02:10] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: ok i see, have a look on this file : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:10] <DraxNS> any known issues with fglrx and shutdown?
[02:11] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep aperture
[02:11] <_4strO> (in a console)
[02:12] <DraxNS> any known issues with fglrx and shutdown? _4strO ?
[02:12] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO: no results, there's nothing about aperture(nor agp) in my xorg.conf
[02:12] <_4strO> DraxNS: nop i use the free driveer for myself
[02:12] <silfar> hi
[02:12] <silfar> for all
[02:12] <_4strO> hi silfar
[02:12] <DraxNS> _4strO: you have 3D?
[02:12] <_4strO> yes
[02:13] <DraxNS> HOW?
[02:13] <_4strO> :)
[02:13] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:13] <_4strO> DraxNS: wich video card have you ?
[02:13] <DraxNS> ati x200 int in laptop
[02:13] <_4strO> mmm
[02:14] <_4strO> think you can use the free driver
[02:14] <DraxNS> dunno... was working fine on edgy
[02:14] <DraxNS> fglrx
[02:14] <MaTiAz> Hmm, any idea why Beryl doesn't work? I've got a Geforce 6200 and newest drivers, and direct rendering is working
[02:14] <DraxNS> now.. it just hangs.. and it is in loop on shutdown/restart/logoff from KDE
[02:15] <silfar> _4strO: hi, how I have config nvidia driver on kubuntu
[02:15] <MaTiAz> When I select Beryl as the window manager in beryl manager, the screen just flashes a bit and the window manager stays as KWin :\
[02:15] <DraxNS> but in session.. it works :-)
[02:15] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO: Nevermind, I found out my aperture, it's 32mb big, which means bad.
[02:16] <DraxNS> !slmodem
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slmodem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <DraxNS> damn
[02:17] <DraxNS> anyone fixed no carrier error with smartlink modem driver?
[02:17] <wagnix> anyone know why my resolution would keep changing or why I only have the one choice in settings now?
[02:17] <Skiff> damn Im having problems with installing nvidia drivers :/
[02:18] <DraxNS> install is easy...
[02:18] <DraxNS> ;-)
[02:18] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: how you find it ?
[02:18] <Skiff> I did the system>administration>Restricted Devices Manager  for nvidia drivers
[02:18] <Skiff> now nothing works
[02:18] <DraxNS> linux-restricted and nvidia
[02:18] <_4strO> silfar: sorry i dont know anything about Nvidia
[02:19] <silfar> _4strO: thanks
[02:19] <DraxNS> you have to change nv to nvidia in /etc/xorg/conf silfar
[02:19] <DraxNS> sorry
[02:19] <DraxNS> you have to change nv to nvidia in /etc/xorg/conf Skiff
[02:19] <DraxNS> section device... if I am not mistaken
[02:19] <Skiff> DraxNS, which editor should I use
[02:19] <Skiff> ?
[02:19] <DraxNS> kdesu kate
[02:19] <_4strO> kate
[02:20] <Skiff> kate /etc/xorg.conf ?
[02:20] <DraxNS> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:21] <Skiff> $ kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:21] <Skiff> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[02:21] <DraxNS> ???
[02:22] <DraxNS> have you typed that in konsole or where? Skiff
[02:22] <Skiff> DraxNS, yeah
[02:22] <Skiff> console
[02:22] <Skiff> Ill nano edit it
[02:22] <DraxNS> sudo dpkg-xserver-reconfigure
[02:22] <Skiff> thanks
[02:22] <DraxNS> you have terminal within X or just terminal?
[02:23] <Skiff> just terminal
[02:23] <_4strO> :p
[02:23] <DraxNS> so no X :-)
[02:23] <Skiff> yep
[02:23] <Skiff> nano will do ?
[02:23] <_4strO> yes
[02:23] <DraxNS> in that case... yes... nano will do
[02:23] <_4strO> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:23] <DraxNS> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:23] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:24] <_4strO> DraxNS: you play 3D games ?
[02:24] <DraxNS> one... :-)
[02:24] <DraxNS> ET RTCW :-)
[02:24] <_4strO> which one ?
[02:25] <Skiff> Section "Screen"
[02:25] <Skiff>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[02:25] <Skiff>         Device          "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:25] <Skiff>         Monitor         "DELL D1028L"
[02:25] <Skiff>         Defaultdepth    24
[02:25] <DraxNS> but that from desktop with nvidia :-)
[02:25] <DraxNS> Skiff: no
[02:25] <Skiff> the graphics card is correct as well as the monitor
[02:25] <DraxNS> find line with driver
[02:26] <Skiff> Section "Device"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:26] <Skiff>         Driver          "nvidia"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Option          "NoLogo"        "True"
[02:26] <Skiff> EndSection
[02:26] <DraxNS> Section "Device"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[02:26] <DraxNS>   boardname "nv"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   busid "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   driver "nvidia"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   screen 0
[02:26] <DraxNS> EndSection
[02:26] <DraxNS> try mine... just keep yuor ident
[02:27] <thernymous> can i boot the livecd in console mode (ie. without it starting x) ?
[02:27] <DraxNS> live... no
[02:27] <unbenutzerNiCK> CAPTCHA
[02:28] <thernymous> DraxNS: ah ok, thx
[02:28] <_4strO> weird you dont have a busid in your device section
[02:28] <Skiff> DraxNS, sorry this is what I have as well Section "Device"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:28] <Skiff>         Driver          "nvidia"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Option          "NoLogo"        "True"
[02:28] <Skiff> EndSection
[02:29] <DraxNS> and no modeline/resolution
[02:29] <Skiff> hmm?
[02:29] <_4strO> think you should have a busid line in
[02:29] <DraxNS> yup..
[02:29] <DraxNS> what kubuntu?
[02:29] <Skiff> its ubuntu
[02:29] <DraxNS> dapper/edgy/feisty?
[02:29] <Skiff> feisty
[02:29] <_4strO> type : lspci to have the good value for the line busid "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:29] <DraxNS> whatever
[02:30] <DraxNS> here is mine
[02:30] <DraxNS> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[02:30] <DraxNS> just to help you find it ;-)
[02:30] <Skiff> like so
[02:30] <Skiff> Section "Device"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:30] <Skiff>         Driver          "nvidia"
[02:30] <Skiff>         busid           "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Option          "NoLogo"        "True"
[02:30] <Skiff> EndSection
[02:31] <Skiff> ?
[02:31] <DraxNS> add screen 0
[02:31] <DraxNS> and CHECK if busid is OK!
[02:31] <Skiff> thnx
[02:32] <DraxNS> now.. back to slmodem... anyone here knows anything about it?
[02:32] <DraxNS> was working fine on edgy
[02:32] <DraxNS> does not work on feisty
[02:32] <DraxNS> no carrier error ... whatever I do
[02:32] <Skiff> nano saves automatically?
[02:33] <DraxNS> and I tried almost anything I could find
[02:33] <Skiff> just ctrl+x ?
[02:33] <DraxNS> uhhh..
[02:33] <DraxNS> let me check...
[02:33] <DraxNS> crtl+o
[02:33] <ReMiiRuru> Ah~~~ I won~~ nvidia drivers finally work for me~~ T_T me is so happy~
[02:33] <Skiff> thnx
[02:34] <DraxNS> after ctrl+o do ctrl+x ;-)
[02:34] <DraxNS> and ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:35] <DraxNS> or startx
[02:35] <DraxNS> maybe last one is better... it will produce an error if cannot start x
[02:35] <DraxNS> so it will give us a clue
[02:36] <DraxNS> _4strO: do you know how to fix slmodem sh*t by any chance?
[02:37] <_4strO> nop
[02:37] <DraxNS> know anyone who does?
[02:37] <_4strO> i even know what is slmodem :p
[02:37] <DraxNS> I think you can guess... ;-)
[02:38] <DraxNS> Smart   Link   modem  *^%&^^*)(^%$#&^%
[02:38] <_4strO> :p
[02:40] <DJServers> omg i have just buyt windows vista premium whit license code just for 10 euro's :P lol
[02:40] <nagyv> is it normal in feisty, that amarok does not know the details of the played last.fm track (played in amarok)? (in edgy it worked better)
[02:40] <hyper_ch> why waste 10 euros?
[02:40] <DJServers> i am gonne install that on my old pc not on this one
[02:40] <DraxNS> ok... about ati? _4strO? why would it hang/loop on logout/reboot/shutdown from kde logoff screen?
[02:40] <DJServers> look what vista has to offer
[02:40] <DJServers> test it
[02:40] <DJServers> then kill it :P
[02:41] <DJServers> or just sell it again
[02:41] <hyper_ch> you konw the youtube movie "how to install vista in 2min"?
[02:41] <DraxNS> if I issue sudo poweroff... it works... but if I click on turn off.. it just hangs...
[02:41] <DJServers> no
[02:41] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: dapper/edgy/feisty?
[02:41] <DJServers> whats that about
[02:41] <DraxNS> feisty
[02:41] <DJServers> that movie?
[02:41] <_4strO> DraxNS: dont think it's about ati but most due to XGL
[02:41] <DJServers> hyper_ch: whats that movie about then?
[02:42] <DraxNS> _4strO: where to look? what to kill ;-) ?
[02:42] <hyper_ch> DJServers: how to install vista in 2min   http://www.youtube.com/v/FVbf9tOGwno
[02:42] <DraxNS> I know it will be in xorg... :-)
[02:42] <DJServers> o lol lets take a look at that
[02:42] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: hmmm, you could install Xubuntu... then you won't have that problem
[02:43] <DraxNS> nope... I am KDE addict :-)
[02:43] <DraxNS> so it will have to make do
[02:43] <DraxNS> just what&where
[02:43] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: you even say you're an addict... is it good manner to give addicts their drugs or try to clean them?
[02:44] <DraxNS> :-D
[02:44] <DraxNS> good one ;-)
[02:44] <hyper_ch> ;)
[02:44] <DraxNS> I dislike gnome...
[02:44] <hyper_ch> use Xfce
[02:44] <DraxNS> X(fce) is .. well small
[02:44] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: it's beautiful
[02:44] <DJServers> !pastebin
[02:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:44] <DraxNS> and KDE is just best fit
[02:45] <DJServers> yeah ubotu is back :P
[02:45] <DraxNS> !slmodem
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slmodem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <DraxNS> !slmodemd
[02:45] <Skiff> DraxNS, hmm I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and configured with nvidia drivers first, no dicem, didnt work, then I tried with NV and it works but I guess thats just default right?
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slmodemd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <_4strO> DraxNS: i thionk i dont understand your problem
[02:45] <Arwen> Xfce... beautiful? lol
[02:45] <DraxNS> Skiff: yes... that means you have NOT installed nvidia driver :-)
[02:46] <hyper_ch> Arwen: sure it is
[02:46] <Skiff> nice
[02:46] <DraxNS> _4strO: which one? ;-)
[02:46] <_4strO> DraxNS: if you select turn of, your screen become shaddy and nothing more ?
[02:46] <DraxNS> I get konsole kubuntu logo.. with that blue stripe... as while boot up
[02:47] <DraxNS> just there is no blue stripe... and it does not unload
[02:47] <DraxNS> blinks at regular rate... and stays like that
[02:47] <_4strO> mmm
[02:47] <vtn> Hi, I just upgraded my kernel, when I shut down my system, it hung up with a black screen, I waited for a while, then pressed ctrl+alt+del, noting happened, then I pressed the power button, again nothing happened (because it is a soft key). Some moments later the System stut down and rebooted normally. Does this have anything to do with the kernel? Do you think the kernel was installed correctly? Thanks for helping me!
[02:47] <DJServers> bye all
[02:47] <Arwen> whee.... kernel update... *time to recompile all my drivers...*
[02:47] <DraxNS> so.. it would turn of.. once laptop run out of battery :-)
[02:48] <DraxNS> same goes with reboot and logoff
[02:48] <DraxNS> I got either blank screen or that with kubuntu logo...
[02:49] <Skiff> ok so if restricted drivers way didnt work, how can I install nvidia drivers?
[02:49] <DraxNS> so I have to poweroff on button
[02:49] <_4strO> DraxNS: did you wait enough time ?
[02:49] <DraxNS> like 5 minutes
[02:49] <_4strO> ok enough !
[02:49] <DraxNS> no point on waitin more
[02:50] <DraxNS> looks like it is trying to kill something... but cannot...
[02:50] <DraxNS> and it is stuck in a loop
[02:50] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: xfce ;)
[02:50] <DraxNS> hyper_ch: let the KDE be with you ;-)
[02:50] <ariez> what is HjU-buntu??
[02:51] <adi> when you shutdown the system do Ctrl+Alt+f2 for text mode and see if it hangs on something
[02:51] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: it was.... for almost 3 months :) but then I went into the darker realms of linux
[02:51] <DraxNS> did that
[02:51] <adi> and?
[02:51] <DraxNS> ctrl+alt+f1
[02:51] <adi> ok and?
[02:51] <DraxNS> it cant hold on
[02:51] <adi> what do you mean it cant hold on?
[02:52] <DraxNS> it lasts ~1-2 sec and brings me back to x
[02:52] <adi> oh
[02:52] <DraxNS> to that kubuntu logo
[02:52] <adi> wierd
[02:52] <ariez> Dns ubuntu ip, load 89.0 /play -w
[02:52] <adi> what happens if you log to your older kernel version?
[02:52] <SlimeyPete> DraxNS: I have the same problem
[02:52] <DraxNS> and if I do that few times too many... well you can guess.. just plain blank screen
[02:52] <SlimeyPete> DraxNS: I just use "sudo halt" in a terminal instead
[02:52] <DraxNS> SlimeyPete: I know that
[02:53] <DraxNS> but I want to get the hang of it
[02:53] <DraxNS> it is ~90% fglrx issue
[02:53] <DraxNS> since I installed it yesterday... and this started yesterday
[02:53] <SlimeyPete> yes, I use fglrx too
[02:54] <DraxNS> see :-)
[02:54] <_4strO> DraxNS: can you past your xorg.conf ?
[02:54] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: does restarting x help?
[02:54] <DraxNS> hmm it is on laptop...
[02:54] <SlimeyPete> DraxNS: Radeon 200M?
[02:54] <DraxNS> yup
[02:54] <DraxNS> 200
[02:54] <SlimeyPete> same here.
[02:54] <DraxNS> what part of xorg do you need _4strO?
[02:54] <DraxNS> i'll retype it
[02:55] <_4strO> DraxNS: all if you can
[02:55] <_4strO> no$
[02:55] <_4strO> ok
[02:55] <_4strO> dont do this
[02:55] <DraxNS> well ... too much to type
[02:55] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:55] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:55] <BluesKaj> Morning All :)
[02:55] <hyper_ch> then you can copy'n'paste it
[02:55] <DraxNS> it is on laptop
[02:55] <DraxNS> I am on desktop now
[02:55] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:56] <hyper_ch> ssh into the laptop
[02:56] <_4strO> DraxNS: in Section "Monitor" you have Option "DPMS" ?
[02:56] <DraxNS> through what? connected via eth to net -)
[02:56] <DraxNS> I think so
[02:57] <hyper_ch> the desktop is not connected to a lan?
[02:57] <DraxNS> it is
[02:57] <DraxNS> laptop is not..
[02:57] <DraxNS> no switch
[02:58] <DraxNS> yes I have DPMS
[02:58] <hyper_ch> oh, laptop is not...
[02:59] <DraxNS> hmmm I guess I have found out...
[02:59] <DraxNS> it is identified as Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP
[02:59] <DraxNS> and it is just X200
[02:59] <DraxNS> would that matter?
[02:59] <_4strO> probably not
[03:00] <DraxNS> hmmm lspci says it is Xpress 200
[03:00] <DraxNS> rs 482
[03:00] <_4strO> if you have the same identifier in device aznd screen sections
[03:01] <DraxNS> yes.. it is same
[03:01] <_4strO> it doesn't be a problem
[03:01] <rbolt> has anyone tried changing the ubuntu startup logo?
[03:01] <_4strO> it's just a name
[03:01] <DraxNS> it is just a name :-)
[03:01] <BluesKaj> X200 requires the fglrx proprietary or open source driver depeneding what you want to do
[03:01] <DraxNS> :-D
[03:01] <DraxNS> well I wish to have 3D
[03:01] <ubuntu__> who are me
[03:02] <BluesKaj> DRI and google earth or beryl
[03:02] <DraxNS> ?
[03:02] <DraxNS> just 3D
[03:02] <_4strO> DraxNS: if you only want 3d (but low perf) you should use the free driver
[03:02] <DraxNS> no.. ET will not work with that
[03:02] <DraxNS> :-(
[03:03] <_4strO> openarena will :)
[03:03] <DraxNS> oh well
[03:03] <DraxNS> :-)
[03:03] <_4strO> but i tried "cube2" and it dont
[03:03] <DraxNS> any other clue for fglrx and shutdown?
[03:03] <NotFaint> So let's say I'm trying to (learn to) compile a kernel... Got the source bz2 file in the /usr/src directory, but when I try to extract it, it seems to give me a lot of lines indicating it's skipping files. Is that something I should be worried about?
[03:04] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: how strange. Did you do a "sudo tar -xvjf <tar.bz2 file name>"?
[03:05] <NotFaint> Well, I thought that might have been the problem, but when I do it that way, it just puts me on a new line with nothing happening. Or does that just mean it's extracting silently? Thing is, I can type in this blank space...
[03:05] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, for 3D , go here : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[03:05] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: Funny thing I'm getting is that it has written SOME of the files and directories.
[03:05] <DraxNS> now this was fun
[03:06] <NotFaint> Considering I don't own the directory, it shouldn't have done any of them, right?
[03:06] <DraxNS> I have restarted X
[03:06] <DraxNS> and now poweroff works!!
[03:06] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: if you don't have permissions then yeah, it shouldn't write any
[03:06] <DraxNS> quite odd
[03:06] <NotFaint> I'm gonna see if maybe it finishes after a minute or two when I sudo it -- I mean if the command line ever comes back.
[03:06] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: you're probably best-off installing a kernel source package, unless you need a bleeding-edge or developer-branch kernel
[03:07] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: This is for a learning experience. Hell, I don't even know what you're talking about. :P
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yeah feisty has power off issues after editing X11/Xorg.conf
[03:07] <DraxNS> so.. I have to log in.... do ctrl+alt+backspace and after that I will be able to poweroff as usual....
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:07] <DraxNS> what is the catch?
[03:07] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: in Adept/synaptic/apt-get you can install a kernel source package instead ogf an image. This will dump kernel source code into /usr/src just as if you'd downloaded the tar file.
[03:07] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: you can then compile it manually
[03:08] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, or do the 3finger linux salute first then choose shutdown in the login scrb
[03:08] <BluesKaj> scrn
[03:08] <NotFaint> I'm gonna check to see if extracting it with sudo ever seems to do anything one more time, then I'll try adept.
[03:08] <DraxNS> whatever... gotta go now.. BB L8r
[03:09] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, did you get my post about the fglrx 3D tutorial ?
[03:09] <NotFaint> Funny thing is that I don't know if I should trust my drive activity light, heh. It seems to be always blinking at random anyway.
[03:10] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: You know, I think when I do it with sudo and it just gives me this dumb blank stare, that it must be writing files. Otherwise it's writing SOME of them when I do it withOUT sudo, which just doesn't make sense.
[03:10] <NotFaint> ...OK, got my command prompt back. Guess that's what it was. :P
[03:11] <maurice> just installed kde 3.5.7 only have one issue... right after kdm username and pass X dies. When I start with startx it all works fine.... where to look ?
[03:11] <DraxNS> BluesKaj: yes... now I am realyaway
[03:11] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:12] <NotFaint> maurice: You know, that's one of the things about all this that keeps me dual-booting rather than just being Linux-exclusive. :P
[03:13] <maurice> I have no problems with linux at all ... my second dualboot is gentoo ....
[03:13] <NotFaint> I've had to roll back xorg.config something like 5 times in less than one month because I'm... naturally curious.
[03:13] <maurice> Yust new to ubuntu ...
[03:14] <NotFaint> I'm new to it all. I want an automatic rollback after changes have been made if the user is unable to confirm that it works, like when you change video modes in WinXP.
[03:14] <epimeth> NotFaint: naturally curious?  more like "like to break things" :-p
[03:14] <NotFaint> epimeth: Yeah, sounds about right. :P
[03:14] <NotFaint> I can't help that X is fragile, haha
[03:14] <NotFaint> There's this machine at work that uses an S3 Unichrome onboard video thing, and when I try to set that as the driver in Kubuntu, X won't start or whatever.
[03:15] <NotFaint> OpenChrome works fine, but not Unichrome.
[03:15] <mason> hello
[03:15] <mason> i come from china
[03:16] <Lynoure> mason: hello.
[03:16] <mason> is there anyone like share some thing with me?
[03:16] <NotFaint> Welcome to the Internet. It's a bit different from China, I've heard.
[03:17] <mason> where are from?
[03:17] <NotFaint> </poor attempt at humor>
[03:17] <NotFaint> explore: Fraud!
[03:17] <encompass> Does anyone know of a calendar making program for ubuntu?
[03:17] <Lynoure> mason: for non-support talk try #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic instead
[03:18] <mommo> +
[03:19] <vtn> Hi, I just upgraded my kernel, when I shut down my system, it hung up with a black screen, I waited for a while, then pressed ctrl+alt+del, noting happened, then I pressed the power button, again nothing happened (because it is a soft key). Some moments later the System stut down and rebooted normally. Does this have anything to do with the kernel? Do you think the kernel was installed correctly? Thanks for helping me!
[03:20] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: Thanks for the help, I think I'm past it.
[03:20] <NotFaint> vtn: sounds like X stopped displaying stuff
[03:20] <encompass> vtn: if you booted then I am sure you are just fine
[03:20] <vtn> okay then I am reliefed
[03:20] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: no problem :)
[03:21] <NotFaint> And I'm out, before I accidentally try giving someone advice and get their xorg.config file screwed up... :P
[03:21] <MaTiAz> lol
[03:22] <Arwen> vtn, even if the new kernel doesn't work, you can still boot the old one :-)
[03:23] <vtn> yeah, but strangely it works
[03:25] <encompass> vtn kernels in linux are different then windows...
[03:26] <masonliu> hello and i have a problem that is how can i open chm files.it reported 936
[03:26] <masonliu> kchmviewer can not open chinese chm file
[03:26] <vtn> encompass: what do you mean by that?
[03:33] <epimeth> !adept
[03:33] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:35] <epimeth> how do I run the adept updator?
[03:35] <epimeth> its not in my system submenu
[03:36] <rothchild> epimeth try going through your kstart menu run command and type kdesu adept
[03:36] <epimeth> adept_updator... heh
[03:37] <epimeth> or not?
[03:38] <epimeth> running adept_updator opens it and tells me I need root privs, kdesu adept_updator says it doesn't exist???
[03:38] <epimeth> I guess I smell bad :-)
[03:39] <Jucato> epimeth: adept_updater
[03:39] <epimeth> I tried that, Jucato!
[03:39] <epimeth> :-(
[03:39] <Jucato> updater not updator
[03:40] <epimeth> damnit!!! lol
[03:40] <Arwen> !foo
[03:40] <ubotu> foo is bar
[03:40] <epimeth> cheers Jucato! :-p
[03:40] <Jucato> epimeth: Tab completion helps a lot in the command line :)
[03:41] <epimeth> yea, but with kdesu it wouldn't complete.... and I didn't notice it was e
[03:41] <basse> hey, now that i'm finally on the channel, i might also ask about this "root" system.. it's my sons machine, and i dont necesssarily want him to have root access...  is it possible to make kubuntu prompt root password when you want to for example start adept_manager ?
[03:41] <ReMiiRuru> Is there something like windows 'daemon tools' for (k)ubuntu?
[03:41] <basse> now my son is just sudoer and it asks his own passwd
[03:41] <epimeth> ReMiiRuru: you don't need it, you mount images like you mount any filesystem
[03:42] <ReMiiRuru> epimeth: Oh, I do? Neat.
[03:42] <epimeth> basse: just take him off of the "admin" group
[03:42] <Jucato> basse: create a different user for your son and don't put him in the admin group
[03:42] <epimeth> thats good, too :-)
[03:43] <Jucato> basse: or create a new user that will be admin, put it in the admin group, and remove your son from the admin group
[03:43] <epimeth> in fact, thats better....
[03:43] <Jucato> make up your mind! :P
[03:44] <epimeth> cuz if he's the only user than you won't be able to log in as root unless you enable root logins first
[03:44] <epimeth> Jucato: the "thats better" was for creating a new user without admin... you just happened to finish typing before me
[03:44] <epimeth> :-)
[03:44] <Jucato> :)
[03:45] <epimeth> any reason to not upgrade the kernel?
[03:45] <_4strO> epimeth: if you dont use UUID in your fstab
[03:46] <epimeth> the cdrom seems to not use it....
[03:46] <epimeth> but everything else does
[03:46] <_4strO> the new kernel seems to change sda to hda
[03:47] <epimeth> lol!  thats funny... they went back.  I was *pissed* when I couldn't find my hard drives earlier... took me a while to realize hd* was sd*
[03:47] <epimeth> so now its back to hd?
[03:47] <_4strO> yep
[03:47] <epimeth> but the UUID didn't change, right?
[03:47] <_4strO> /dev/hda6            6528        9594    24635614+  83  Linux
[03:47] <_4strO> yes
[03:48] <epimeth> whats the UUID for my cdrom?
[03:48] <_4strO> i had no pb because of the UUID stuff
[03:49] <Arwen> CD-ROMs don't have UUIDs
[03:49] <epimeth> ahhh
[03:49] <epimeth> kay
[03:49] <epimeth> meh
[03:49] <Arwen> UUIDs depend on the filesystem so each disc would be different :-\
[03:49] <epimeth> I'll upgrade when I'm done with work... don't wanna break anything :-)
[03:52] <_4str1> epimeth: you put the finger on a problem :p
[03:52] <_4str1> my cdrom didn't automount now :/
[03:53] <basse> Jucato: yes, thats what i did. but i couldn't figure out how i start adept then when my son is logged in..
[03:53] <Jucato> aah
[03:53] <basse> in my own debian i just do "kdesu programnamegoeshere"
[03:53] <basse> this doesnt quite work in kubuntu
[03:54] <Jucato> basse: you can try this: "su - username" (your admin user), then "kdesu adept_manager" (to run adept)
[03:54] <hyper_ch> gkdsudo adept
[03:54] <basse> gkdsudo ?
[03:54] <hyper_ch> no, I'm wrong
[03:54] <hyper_ch> Jucato is right
[03:54] <Jucato> I am? O.o
[03:54] <basse> Jucato: aah.. that might work. nice.
[03:55] <hyper_ch> jucato is always right
[03:56] <Jucato> lol not always.
[03:56] <Jucato> not even sure if what I said will work 100% :)
[03:56] <harmental> how can we upgrade to KDE 3.5.7? is there special repos?
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: from what version?
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> (of kubuntu)
[03:57] <Jucato> harmental: for Feisty, yes
[03:57] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: feisty
[03:57] <hyper_ch> why does Linux rock so much?
[03:58] <harmental> have anybody trie kde 4 other than for developing?
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[03:58] <hyper_ch> I have much mor fun using Linux than I ever did using Windows (well, except for games....)
[03:58] <MaTiAz> Linux is all about discovery for me :p
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: as most of the core features (such as plasma) are missing, it would be pointless to use it now and expect it to be good
[03:58] <GrueTamer> hyper_ch: because youre in control
[03:59] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: alright then....ill wait for kde4....what about kde 3.5.7?
[03:59] <hyper_ch> anyone has tried to setup bnet servers on debian/ubntu?
[03:59] <MaTiAz> But the main reason I'm using Linux right now is that PSPSDK is muuuuch faster on Linux than Cygwin :p
[04:01] <Arwen> MaTiAz, lol? cygwin?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> <----KDE 3.5.7 ...seems fine so far
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> 3.5.7 is great
[04:05] <BluesKaj> harmental, quite frankly i fail to see any difference between 356 & 357 , so far at least
[04:06] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: could you elabore....
[04:07] <BluesKaj> how can one elaborate on "no difference" ..behaviour is exactly the same as before
[04:07] <MaTiAz> Arwen: Yeah, PSPSDK was originally made for Linux so it was the only possibility :)
[04:08] <harmental> BluesKaj: actually Daisuke_Ido stated that "3.5.7 is great"....
[04:08] <harmental> i was wondering if Daisuke_Ido could elaborate....
[04:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , so is 356 :)
[04:09] <Arwen> it's a minor version o.O
[04:09] <Slack_Rulz> Buenas a Todos
[04:09] <Slack_Rulz> acabo de terminar una migracin exitosa de 20 pcs de un colegio de WinXP a Kubuntu
[04:10] <BluesKaj> harmental ok ...I'll keep my nose out of this
[04:10] <BluesKaj> !es | Slack_Rulz
[04:10] <ubotu> Slack_Rulz: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:11] <harmental> BluesKaj: i didnt mean to back you off.....
[04:11] <ahmed> join #ubuntu
[04:11] <sudeep> i have ubuntu 7.04 installed in my system via CD. I also have KUBUNTU cd. I would like to add kde in my system via CD "not repo" . How should i do it ?
[04:12] <harmental> well done Slack_Rulz!!!!
[04:12] <ahmed> sudeep using synaptic package manager
[04:12] <ahmed> set ur repo source to cd
[04:12] <BluesKaj> ahmed do the command in the server text box not here and put a /   in front
[04:12] <ahmed> yea yea mistypes lol
[04:12] <sudeep> ahmed: how is that?
[04:12] <ahmed> sudeep, u can just insert the cd
[04:12] <ahmed> and it will ask u if it shud load new packages or not
[04:13] <ahmed> guys do any one know what is cvs ??
[04:13] <ahmed> i hear alot abt cvs cedega and cvs wine ,, what is cvs ???
[04:15] <ubuntu__> como instalo kubuntu?
[04:16] <DraxNS> !cvs
[04:16] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[04:16] <BluesKaj> cvs is like pkg manager with it's own repository but not exactly : http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/*docroot*/help_rootview.html
[04:17] <DraxNS> BluesKaj: that page you sent me... for fglrx is for ATI fglrx... not one that is in repo..
[04:17] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: that's a very complicated way to put it :)
[04:17] <ubuntu__> somebody can help me? i want to install kubuntu and i dont know how
[04:18] <Lynoure> ubuntu__: Are you stuck at some point or at the very start?
[04:18] <ubuntu__> at the very very start
[04:19] <ubuntu__> right now im using kubuntu, but directly from the cd
[04:21] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, no cuz the one in the repos won't work with ati x200..this page will patch the problem and install the proper dependencies and driver if you follow the instructions
[04:21] <DraxNS> aaaaahhh
[04:22] <DraxNS> I saw some patching... there... but .. just glanced
[04:23] <BluesKaj> ok DraxNS , one thing ...the part where he says that you can copy his xorg file ..don't just make the changes like driver = "fglrx" .. if you have prob or question , just ask me ..I'll be hanging around :)
[04:23] <BluesKaj> don't copy his xorg file , I mean
[04:24] <DraxNS> yes.. got it :-)
[04:24] <DraxNS> I usually do that part by hand... fglrx or nvidia...
[04:24] <BluesKaj> right
[04:24] <DraxNS> then I know what went where ;-)
[04:24] <BluesKaj> you got it DraxNS :)
[04:25] <DraxNS> I am not so noobish... ;-)
[04:25] <DraxNS> but .. I cant resolve my other issue.. called ATI IXP modem...
[04:26] <DraxNS> or slmodemd ...
[04:26] <sercan> what dedin glm
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: to elaborate, 3.5.7 is just like 3.5.6 with a different number.  therefore great.
[04:30] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, not using dhcp ?
[04:30] <DraxNS> nope
[04:30] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: ok....so basically you were just kidding..... ;o)
[04:30] <DraxNS> why?
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it's still great.
[04:30] <Arwen> 3.5.7 has all sorts of uber features! like kwin1
[04:30] <Arwen> like kwin*
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> just not revolutionary.
[04:31] <DraxNS> dhcp in what way?
[04:31] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, on dialup then
[04:31] <DraxNS> well problem is that I cant get to ISP
[04:31] <DraxNS> no carrier is faster
[04:31] <DraxNS> ;-)
[04:32] <DraxNS> atdp #isp and no carrirer
[04:32] <DraxNS> wvdial.. kppp .. pon.. does not matter
[04:33] <BluesKaj> you on a network , DraxNS ?
[04:33] <DraxNS> now yes.. on desktop...
[04:33] <DraxNS> but modem is on laptop
[04:33] <DraxNS> and I got correct slmodem device
[04:33] <DraxNS>  /dev/ttySL0
[04:33] <DraxNS> all ATI gets by
[04:34] <BluesKaj> is the laptop on a WANetwork ?
[04:34] <DraxNS> and when I try to connect.. it fails with no carrier
[04:34] <DraxNS> hmm ra0 and eth0 are active....
[04:34] <DraxNS> but I cant kill ra0
[04:35] <DraxNS> it is always there..
[04:35] <BluesKaj> the ati ixp moden is strictly for dialup service ,not dhcp which is normally eth0
[04:36] <DraxNS> so?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> the eth0 is usually a realtek ethernet device
[04:36] <DraxNS> I should kill dhcp client?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> no
[04:36] <DraxNS> eth0 is Agere 131
[04:36] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:36] <DraxNS> ra0 is rt61 wifi
[04:37] <BluesKaj> but why are you trying to use the ati ixp/modem ?
[04:37] <DraxNS> since that is what it is
[04:37] <DraxNS> :-)
[04:37] <DraxNS> scanmodem said it is smartlink..
[04:37] <DraxNS> and lspci says I have ati ...
[04:38] <DraxNS> so ..
[04:38] <BluesKaj> iixp/modem is not an ethernet card
[04:38] <llutz> DraxNS: sl-modem-daemon is installed and runs?
[04:39] <DraxNS> no
[04:39] <llutz> DraxNS: you'll need it
[04:39] <DraxNS> sl-modemd-daemon does not work
[04:40] <DraxNS> slmodemd also does not work
[04:40] <DraxNS> I get till the dial.. and BANG no carrier
[04:40] <FroggyTheGreat> Hey hoo - Two questions...
[04:41] <FroggyTheGreat> How does Kubuntu handle hotswapping monitors?
[04:41] <DraxNS> I cant even install that slmodem for ubuntu... with unload-winmodem... says it cant find it
[04:43] <llutz> DraxNS: i had a similar issue with my intel-modem on edgy until i reconfigured sl-modemd
[04:43] <DraxNS> so.. I have tried solo slmodemd... slmodem source for ubuntu from smartlink and sl-modem-deamon...
[04:43] <DraxNS> none works
[04:44] <apetrescu> Does anyone else have the problem where KAlarm is unable to play any sound at all? The soundcard is working fine, every other application uses it flawlessly, and KAlarm itself launches alarms, just not the audio component. I know a few other people on the forums ran into this too. Anyone know a workaround? =/
[04:44] <Arwen> DraxNS, buy a real modem
[04:44] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, so you ARE on dialup , not cable or DSL ..right ?
[04:44] <apetrescu> I rely on KAlarm to wake me up in the morning, so... ^^;
[04:44] <DraxNS> no.. I am on wifi.. now... from desktop
[04:45] <DraxNS> and modem is on laptop
[04:45] <BluesKaj> laptop is on dialup then
[04:45] <DraxNS> I got eth and ra working... and even modem was working on edgy
[04:45] <DraxNS> yes
[04:45] <DraxNS> but now on feisty... it was struggle with ra0 and now with modem...
[04:45] <DraxNS> and it will be with ati
[04:46] <DraxNS> all was working on edgy 64bit... and now on feisty i386.... I have eth and ra... no modem.. and partial ati (fglrx)
[04:47] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone managed to get Adobe REader working on Kubuntu?
[04:47] <DraxNS> FroggyTheGreat: it was working on edgy
[04:47] <DraxNS> I cant find it on feisty though
[04:47] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: yes, what problem are you having?
[04:47] <FroggyTheGreat> "is it worth trying, and if so, what method is best?"
[04:48] <apetrescu> I'm not sure about the "worth trying" part. Most of the features 90% of people use Reader for are present in KPDF already.
[04:48] <FroggyTheGreat> I need a way to scale an A4 page to US-Letter paper.  Adobe Reader is the only PDF package I've found that does it.
[04:48] <ubuntu__> hello
[04:49] <apetrescu> Ah, okay, for printing.
[04:49] <BluesKaj> FroggyTheGreat, the linux version is called acroread
[04:49] <apetrescu> You may be right then, you may need it.
[04:49] <apetrescu> Have you tried through Synaptic?
[04:49] <korobase> Hi,all
[04:49] <ubuntu__> hi
[04:49] <FroggyTheGreat> Blues - Aah, thanks.
[04:49] <apetrescu> zblach: is that you? =O
[04:49] <BluesKaj> synaptic has it , FroggyTheGreat
[04:50] <korobase> I can't use my Mic in my notebook under kubuntu.
[04:50] <korobase> !mic
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok.  What is Synaptic?  I'm fairly new to this.
[04:50] <zblach> hey apetrescu
[04:50] <zblach> o
[04:50] <zblach> lol
[04:50] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: it's a gui frontend for apt; you're in #kubuntu so you probably want Adept, not Synaptic.
[04:50] <decapitated> seeya
[04:50] <korobase> I can't use my Mic in my notebook under kubuntu.Help me,all friends!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:50] <apetrescu> It's in System Tools, iirc
[04:50] <BluesKaj> adept has it as well
[04:50] <jplever> can anyone help with installing a commercial game on Feisty?
[04:51] <apetrescu> But at any rate, just type in a terminal: sudo apt-get install acroread
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !adept
[04:51] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:51] <zblach> korobase: check to see that it's not muted
[04:51] <korobase> mute off.
[04:51] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm looking in adept, and it's not finding acroread in the repository.
[04:51] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: is multiverse enabled?
[04:51] <zblach> korobase: there's a difference between speaker mute and microphone input mute
[04:51] <FroggyTheGreat> First I've heard of Multiverse, so probably not.
[04:51] <BluesKaj> apetrescu, Synaptic works very well in kde or kubuntu
[04:52] <apetrescu> Ah, okay. Go to "Adept -> Manage Repositories" in the menu up top
[04:52] <apetrescu> There should be a checkbox somewhere there to enable multiverse. Then close, "Fetch Updates", and check again for acroread :)
[04:52] <apetrescu> Or, like I said before, just type in a terminal: sudo apt-get install acroread
[04:53] <proxx> hi i need help.. since i installed kubuntu feisty fawn my ntfs drives were mountet automatically n every start..i even could write on them using a ntfs configuration tool.. but know they are not automatically mountet anymore.. i mountet one drive by using the mount command an i even could see the contetn but now i have now writing permissions anymore.. is this a common problem?
[04:53] <korobase> I can use the mic in skype.But I can't use it using the krecord.
[04:53] <zblach> korobase: lol. i have the same problem
[04:53] <FroggyTheGreat> apetrescu - the commandline method returns "unable to find package"
[04:53] <apetrescu> proxx, check your /etc/fstab . Does your ntfs drive have the 'noauto' flag set?
[04:53] <khaije1> anyone know how kde 4 is coming along?
[04:53] <zblach> probably has something to do with using alsa v.s. arts
[04:54] <spyked> hi - need help - just updated my feisty 'cause the package manager told me to... and my puter rebooted in text mode - graphics driver problem???
[04:54] <apetrescu> Froggy, did you do the multiverse thing?
[04:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, I've done "Manage Repositories", waht should I do from there?
[04:54] <apetrescu> Okay, in Manage Repositories, there should be some mention of multiverse.
[04:54] <apetrescu> (I can't tell you exactly where/what, since i'm at work right now, no access to my Kubuntu machine =/)
[04:55] <khaije1> !kde4
[04:55] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[04:55] <apetrescu> spyked, yes, probably. Do you know if you were using a binary driver like nvidia-glx or fglrx?
[04:55] <proxx> apetrescu: no, only the ext3 partiotions
[04:55] <proxx> apetrescu: should i add it?
[04:55] <apetrescu> proxx, only the ext3 partitions have 'noauto' set?
[04:55] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, I can't find any mention of Multiverse in the Software Sources screen.
[04:55] <apetrescu> proxx, no, don't add it. I find it strange that your ext3 partitions have it at all o_O Can you put your /etc/fstab file in a pastebin somewhere?
[04:55] <FroggyTheGreat> Wait no, there it is, my bad.
[04:55] <FroggyTheGreat> It's enabled.
[04:56] <apetrescu> Alright, FroggyTheGreat, in that case, can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file on rafb or something so I can check it for you?
[04:56] <apetrescu> Ah
[04:56] <apetrescu> There you go
[04:56] <apetrescu> When you say "it's enabled", do you mean "I just enable dit now" or "It was always enabled"?
[04:56] <spyked> apetrescu: be patient  ;) - i installed my driver with that proggy (can't remember the name) that automatically updates ATI or NVIDIA drivers for ya?  ATI here
[04:56] <proxx> apetrescu: no sry my bad.. only the floppy device ans hte cdrom have an noauto argument
[04:56] <spyked> apetrescu: i think the program name begins with 'e'
[04:56] <DraxNS> FroggyTheGreat: are you on edgy or feisty?
[04:56] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm on Feisty
[04:57] <zblach> proxx: did you do an unclean shutdown through winders?
[04:57] <DraxNS> forget about it
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> Hello...I'm needing help with a couple of things since I updated...first, none of my drives automount and/or show up on my desktop...second, now when I try to run 'sudo apt-get update' I get the following error: "Reading package lists... Error!
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: Error occurred while processing thekompany-support (NewVersion1)
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.getautomatix.com_apt_dists_feisty_main_binary-i386_Packages
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> can anyone help me?
[04:57] <DraxNS> there is no acroread in feisry
[04:57] <apetrescu> proxx, okay. Hm. Can you still paste your /etc/fstab somewhere?
[04:57] <DraxNS> feisty
[04:57] <zblach> mattrperry1976: highly recommended NOT to use automatix
[04:57] <Arwen> automatix fails :-\
[04:57] <zblach> as it breaks things bad
[04:57] <proxx> apetrescu: yes.. moment pls
[04:58] <mattrperry1976> ok...should I remove it?
[04:58] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, no acroread in feisty.  Still need my fstab?
[04:58] <apetrescu> matt, your best bet is to revert to a vanilla sources.list and never use automatix
[04:58] <spyked> apetrescu: the program was ENVY
[04:58] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: I never needed your fstab, I needed proxx's...
[04:58] <apetrescu> spyked: Ah, envy
[04:59] <apetrescu> That's an unsopported NVidia driver thingy.
[04:59] <spyked> apetrescu: works for ati too ;)
[04:59] <apetrescu> You can probably solve your issue by doing: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[04:59] <apetrescu> ANd rebooting.
[04:59] <proxx> apetrescu: http://phpfi.com/237583
[04:59] <FroggyTheGreat> Oops.
[04:59] <Skiff> any1 made their nvidia drivers work here?
[04:59] <spyked> ok apetrescu -i'll try that
[04:59] <spyked> ummm
[04:59] <spyked> wait
[05:00] <spyked> apetrescu: i have an ati card - the nvidia reinstall really isn't helpful ;)
[05:00] <apetrescu> Oh, sorry
[05:00] <apetrescu> Is it a Radeon?
[05:00] <FroggyTheGreat> Or, how well would installing the acrotead rpm file using Alien work?
[05:00] <FroggyTheGreat> acroread, sorry.
[05:00] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: It'd work, but I suspect that Adobe's site has an Ubuntu installer already there for you.
[05:00] <spyked> apetrescu: yes
[05:01] <apetrescu> spyked: in that case:
[05:01] <apetrescu> !radeon
[05:01] <FroggyTheGreat> Adobe's site does not that I have found.
[05:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <apetrescu> ubotu speaks the truth :)
[05:01] <spyked> hehe
[05:01] <spyked> thanks apetrescu
[05:01] <MrDigimon> have anyone the same problem as me: the KDE panel stops working after awhile and a box comes up and says signal 11 error
[05:01] <spyked> lemmee see if that helps
[05:01] <apetrescu> No problem, good luck!
[05:02] <apetrescu> (For the record, this is why things like Envy, though sexy-sounding, do more harm than good. They don't play well when the system changes significantly)
[05:02] <proxx> apetrescu: any idea?
[05:02] <sebws> das any one know a good  webmail package for ubuntu
[05:02] <apetrescu> proxx, you seem to be relying on the ntfs-3g package to mount rather than the kernel's ntfs features.
[05:02] <apetrescu> Have you reinstalled ntfs-3g since your upgrade?
[05:03] <MrDigimon> is there any upgrade to the KDE panel?
[05:03] <K-Ryan> !unmount
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <K-Ryan> !mount
[05:03] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:03] <^RiaN^> hiiii allllllll
[05:03] <apetrescu> I reccomend changing all the partition types in your etc/fstab file to "ntfs" instead of "ntfs-3g" and see if that solves your problem. If it does, either keep them that way or reinstall ntfs-3g
[05:04] <^RiaN^> !qt
[05:04] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[05:04] <proxx> apetrescu: i don't think so
[05:04] <proxx> apetrescu: ok i'll try
[05:04] <apetrescu> proxx: You don't think you've installed ntfs-3g? Then that's certainly the problem.
[05:05] <apetrescu> What do you get if you type: sudo mount -a
[05:05] <apetrescu> At a terminal?
[05:06] <proxx> apetrescu:
[05:06] <proxx> apetrescu:  http://phpfi.com/237584
[05:06] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: how to resize swap partition
[05:06] <apetrescu> Oooh
[05:06] <sebws> hi i need to install a webmail server , could some guide me
[05:07] <apetrescu> Okay, the problem is in the actual ntfs drive. It has problems; you shut down Windows uncleanly...
[05:07] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: Check out the qtparted package.
[05:07] <MrDigimon> whats the page where evry KDE bug/error is listed?
[05:07] <^RiaN^> thank's
[05:07] <proxx> ok I will try what mentioned in the tex
[05:07] <apetrescu> proxx: Do you have Vista or XP on those ntfs partitions?
[05:08] <proxx> apetrescu: XP
[05:08] <apetrescu> Okay, then it is safe to use the ntfsfix command.
[05:08] <MrDigimon> i have a strange feeling that tells me that u guys are ignoring me...
[05:08] <apetrescu> Which I believe is in the ntfsprogs package.
[05:08] <apetrescu> sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs
[05:09] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Sorry, what's the problem? :)
[05:09] <proxx> yes i see
[05:09] <MrDigimon> KDE panel is chrashing
[05:09] <MrDigimon> signal 11
[05:09] <apetrescu> Hmm
[05:09] <K-Ryan> MrDigimon: Sometimes people are helping other people and you need to wait for another person.
[05:09] <K-Ryan> Or they don't know
[05:09] <apetrescu> That's a segfault signal
[05:09] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: is that right only 220 kb
[05:09] <MrDigimon> know
[05:10] <MrDigimon>  how do i fix it?
[05:10] <sebws> hi what can be a good webmail service ?
[05:10] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: Your swap partition is only 220 kb?
[05:10] <apetrescu> sebws: Like, gmail?
[05:10] <^RiaN^> no
[05:10] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: the qtparted imean
[05:10] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: Ah, yeah. That's pretty normal, since it is just a fronted to parted which does all the real work.
[05:11] <apetrescu> I'm not on KDE right now, I can't check for sure, but 220KB sounds about right.
[05:11] <apetrescu> You're using apt-get right?
[05:11] <^RiaN^> :)
[05:11] <^RiaN^> no, i dowwnload the package for my friend
[05:11] <sebws> thx but need a webmail server that will connect to my provider network , and need to be running on my server at home
[05:11] <MrDigimon> is there any upgrade to KDE panel that may fix the error?
[05:11] <llutz> sebws: squirrelmail
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm trying to resize my partitions so I booted with my LiveCD.
[05:12] <K-Ryan> I tried to use the QTParted that's on here but that said the devices were busy, but in system settings the devices seemed to be unmounted.
[05:13] <epimeth> ack!!! how do I make my screen brighter again? sudo echo '86' > /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness isn't working
[05:13] <K-Ryan> Now I tried to use the partitioner in the installer and I get an error message and it crashes, and pastebin is giving me an error when I try to submit it so I can't really tell you what it is unless I put it in here.
[05:13] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Are you running KDE 3.5.6 or 3.5.7?
[05:13] <sebws> yes some thing like that , but i also need an sent item box
[05:13] <llutz> sebws: postfix
[05:13] <MrDigimon> err, dont remember, how do i check :$
[05:13] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, if possible , download and burn GParted ...it's very good , best IMO
[05:14] <apetrescu> MrDigimon, right click on the taskbar, "Help->About KDE" or something like that
[05:14] <apetrescu> It's somewhere in the right-click menu of almost all KDE components.
[05:14] <sebws> can postfix be used with squirrelmail
[05:14] <MrDigimon> 3.5.2
[05:14] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I'm just trying to get one that will work
[05:14] <K-Ryan> I'm downloading GParted as we speak.
[05:14] <llutz> sebws: postfix is a mail-transport-agent
[05:14] <MrDigimon> maybe i should upgrade
[05:14] <apetrescu> MrDigimon, woaaah
[05:15] <MrDigimon> i think i should upgrade
[05:15] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Seriously? When did you install Kubuntu? You're about 5 minor versions behind.
[05:15] <MrDigimon> lol
[05:15] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan , it does
[05:15] <MrDigimon> i have kubuntu 6.06
[05:15] <apetrescu> Ah, that explains it.
[05:15] <llutz> sebws: i had postfix running together with courier-imapd and squirrel, worked fine here
[05:15] <MrDigimon> i installed it when it first came out (i think)
[05:15] <apetrescu> 6.06, that's Dapper right?
[05:15] <K-Ryan> Correct
[05:15] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, it's a live cd
[05:16] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: It's installing =)
[05:16] <titanix88> hendaus:
[05:16] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Well, it's your decision if you want to update to Feisty or not. Dapper has the advantage of being an LTS release.
[05:16] <sebws> ok thx and no problem to have a sentbox on squirrel
[05:16] <yarddog> dapper is supported longer
[05:17] <proxx> apetrescu: I started windows.. shut it down and restarted linux and now i can see all of the partitions :)
[05:17] <K-Ryan> 3 years to be exact.
[05:17] <apetrescu> proxx, excellent! =)
[05:17] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: where can i download kubuntu package update in tar.gz format
[05:17] <adaptr> K-Ryan how about 5 years ?
[05:17] <proxx> apetrescu: thanks a lot :)
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ^RiaN^: what's wrong with apt?
[05:17] <K-Ryan> adaptr: For servers it is 5 years.
[05:17] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: 'kubuntu package update'? What do you mean?
[05:18] <MrDigimon> can i upgrade via a live cd of kubuntu 7.07 or something?
[05:18] <K-Ryan> Desktop is 3 years.
[05:18] <adaptr> K-Ryan which is what one would use
[05:18] <MrDigimon> think my brother said it was possible
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> you  can upgrade from edgy to feisty using the Alt. cd
[05:18] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: if you're still trying to get the qtparted package for a friend, I reccomend doing: sudo apt-get install -f qtparted   and then going to /var/cache/apt/archives and getting the .deb file manually from there
[05:18] <^RiaN^> kubuntu update package
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> but not the live cd
[05:19] <^RiaN^> ohh
[05:19] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: You don't even need the cd, just follow the distupgrade procedure.
[05:19] <^RiaN^> thank bro
[05:19] <MrDigimon> Daisuke_ido: ok
[05:19] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: No problem.
[05:19] <MrDigimon> ok, will do it when i find it
[05:20] <MrDigimon> apt-get distupgrade, right?
[05:20] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: have you updated your sources.list first?
[05:20] <MrDigimon> dont think so
[05:20] <apetrescu> You must do that first.
[05:20] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:20] <MrDigimon> new to linux
[05:20] <apetrescu> Open up sources.list and change all occurences of the word 'dapper' to 'feisty'
[05:21] <apetrescu> Then it is: sudo apt-get update
[05:21] <apetrescu> And THEN: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:21] <apetrescu> (The hyphen too)
[05:21] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:21] <apetrescu> Good luck :)
[05:21] <Arwen> someone here's trying to dist-upgrade by hand?
[05:21] <basse> then cross your fingers and close your eyes
[05:21] <apetrescu> (Warning: sometimes dist-upgrade'ing causes lots of problems)
[05:21] <BluesKaj> MrDigimon, after edit your sources list and save it , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:21] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: You forgot to apt-get update
[05:21] <MrDigimon> updating sources
[05:22] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: So you understand the risks?
[05:22] <MrDigimon> yep
[05:22] <apetrescu> Okay, good luck =)
[05:22] <MrDigimon> if it dont work i just reinstall, no big deal
[05:22] <apetrescu> True that :)
[05:22] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:22] <K-Ryan> Am I not able to increase the size of my ext3 partition?
[05:22] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: what have you tried so far?
[05:23] <K-Ryan> When I try to resize it, it's current size is set as the maximum.
[05:23] <apetrescu> (sorry if you're repeating yourself)
[05:23] <apetrescu> Is there free contiguous space after the partition on the drive?
[05:23] <K-Ryan> Well I just shrinked my Windows partition
[05:23] <K-Ryan> continguous as in next to it? No...
[05:23] <MrDigimon> does any of my programs gonna be deleted during the upgrade?
[05:23] <K-Ryan> Opposite ends to be exact...
[05:23] <apetrescu> Yes, but in which direction? If you have it like  <-----EXT3----><---NTFS--->   and you shrink the NTFS partition to the RIGHT, it won't help
[05:23] <sebws> what's the command to see whic version is running
[05:23] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: there's your problem =/
[05:23] <MrDigimon> just wanna be sure....
[05:24] <apetrescu> The space does have to be physically adjacent
[05:24] <K-Ryan> How am I going to do that? =(
[05:24] <BluesKaj> sebws, version of ?
[05:24] <sebws> kubuntu
[05:24] <K-Ryan> ext3 > swap > ntfs > unallocated
[05:24] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:24] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: I believe qtparted/gparted lets you resize in either direction, right?
[05:24] <apetrescu> So grow your ntfs partition on the right, shrink on the left, etc
[05:25] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: how do i change the permission
[05:25] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: how do i change the permission of that archive
[05:25] <Blissex> dont trust utilities that resize, and anyhow resizing/moving down is *much* slower and riskier than resizing up.
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Shrinking on the left was greyed out, I'll try something else though
[05:25] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: you probably want: sudo chmod 777 /path/to/package
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Maybe because unallocated space can only be in one spot
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Just guesswork
[05:25] <BluesKaj> yes, it does but most ppl who dual boot say that windows shuold be the first partition , then ext and then swap
[05:25] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: he's right, this whole thing is pretty risky
[05:25] <K-Ryan> I don't mind
[05:26] <MrDigimon> but if the dist upgrade messes up can i plug the disk in another comp and copy my files over?
[05:26] <MrDigimon> or can they be deleted upon failure?
[05:26] <^RiaN^> i've already copy the archive and no i want to burn it
[05:26] <^RiaN^> but it's doesn't allowed
[05:26] <K-Ryan> shrinking on the left is still greyed out =(
[05:26] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Yeah, you can just pop in a livecd, mount your drive, get your stuff out, and reinstall.
[05:26] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:27] <MrDigimon> thx for the help, im checking out, bye
[05:27] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: I guess that parted doesn't support that feature on NTFS or your particular drive geometry or something =/
[05:27] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan , the greyed out part should be deleted to unallocated status, then reformatted to ext , then youcan expand the linux partition into it
[05:27] <K-Ryan> Oh, I can't shrink to the left because that's where everything is
[05:28] <apetrescu> ? *shrink* to the left means you're moving away from everything
[05:28] <K-Ryan> So, I'm going to unallocate some space
[05:28] <apetrescu> Like, if right now you have
[05:28] <K-Ryan> Err, shrink to the right

[05:28] <K-Ryan> unallocate the space on the left
[05:28] <K-Ryan> I meant shrink the left, shrink to the right
[05:28] <K-Ryan> Never mind =P
[05:29] <K-Ryan> So, the unallocated space I should format to ext3?
[05:29] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, , did you read my post?...it works !\
[05:29] <spyked> hi all - BIG problems - after the last updates my puter refuses to book in anything but text mode
[05:29] <apetrescu> K-Ryan, how is it laid out right now?
[05:29] <spyked> i have an ati driver installed by envy
[05:29] <K-Ryan> same as when i started
[05:29] <spyked> please help...
[05:29] <K-Ryan> ext3 > swap > ntfs > un
[05:29] <apetrescu> spyked: reinstalling the radeon driver didn't help?
[05:30] <BluesKaj> spyked, are you in feisty ?
[05:30] <apetrescu> If you format the un part to ext3, you'll simply have two ext3 partitions, that's not what you wanted is it?
[05:30] <spyked> apetrescu: i uninstalled/reinstalled the driver using envy - lost the link you gave me ;)
[05:30] <spyked> BluesKaj: yup, feisty
[05:30] <K-Ryan> No, but BluesKaj said I could expand the first ext3 into the other
[05:30] <apetrescu> spyked: Oh. I reccomend you use the link I gave you, then ;P
[05:31] <K-Ryan> But they have to be next to each other don't they >.>
[05:31] <BluesKaj> yes you can K-Ryan ..I did
[05:31] <apetrescu> ? Not like that you can't... not that I know of.
[05:31] <spyked> apetrescu: that's whyi came back - glad to see you here ;)
[05:31] <spyked> !radeon
[05:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:31] <spyked> there it is :)
[05:31] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: you can merge ext3 across the disk boundary?
[05:31] <apetrescu> As *one partition*?
[05:31] <K-Ryan> No =(
    <-- This makes no sense, I think
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Could I copy everything from the smaller partition to the larger partition?
[05:32] <BluesKaj> spyked, go to this tutorial and try it : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Then just increase the size of the larger partition by removing the smaller partition and adding it to the larger?
[05:33] <apetrescu> Which one's which?
[05:33] <K-Ryan> I want to copy from hdb1 to hdb4
[05:33] <K-Ryan> Remove hdb1, then add the space to hdb4
[05:33] <BluesKaj> yes, once both partitons are ext , then one can be shrunk or the other expanded into it
[05:33] <K-Ryan> well then it would be hdb3 i guess
[05:33] <apetrescu> You could delete hdb1, shift everythign over to the left, and recreate it as a new, larger hdb4, yes.
[05:33] <apetrescu> But you'd have to use some intermediary storage
[05:34] <apetrescu> Until the repartitioning is done
[05:34] <K-Ryan> I have the hdb4 right now
[05:34] <apetrescu> Oh, okay
[05:34] <apetrescu> There you go
[05:34] <K-Ryan> So how do I go about copying/moving hdb1 to hdb4 =)
[05:34] <BluesKaj> BTW K-Ryan ..it takes a while
[05:34] <K-Ryan> It's only 6.7GB
[05:34] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: by incrementally shifting everything over to the left.
[05:34] <BluesKaj> don't copy anything
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Okay, how do I go about moving it?
[05:34] <BluesKaj> too many cooks ... BBL
[05:35] <K-Ryan> apetrescu: ?
[05:35] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: delete hdb1, shift swap over to the left, shift ntfs over to the left, and then left-expand hdb3?
[05:36] <K-Ryan> i need to move the files on hdb1 to hdb4
[05:36] <apetrescu> Oh
[05:36] <apetrescu> Just mount hdb4
[05:36] <apetrescu> Create a mountpoint: mkdir ~/backup
[05:36] <rc-win-2-linux> pls help - I'm trying to change /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf to allow other pc's on my network to be able to connect
[05:36] <apetrescu> Then: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb4 ~/backup
[05:36] <rc-win-2-linux> how do i do this
[05:37] <K-Ryan> Ugh, stupid livecd...
[05:37] <apetrescu> ?
[05:37] <K-Ryan> I need to put them in /etc/fstab
[05:37] <apetrescu> You do? O_o
[05:37] <K-Ryan> I'm on a live cd
[05:37] <apetrescu> LiveCD doesn't allow regular mounting?
[05:37] <apetrescu> (I've never really tried)
[05:38] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, no leave fstab alone , just do the procedure ..it will take a while
[05:38] <K-Ryan> mount: can't find /dev/hdb4 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:38] <apetrescu> Wait, have you rebooted since you repartitioned with gparted?
[05:38] <apetrescu> Because the kernel may still be using the old table if you haven't.
[05:38] <spyked> apetrescu: i'm getting errors during the radeon install...
[05:38] <K-Ryan> No I haven't
[05:38] <spyked> parse errors in my xorg.conf...
[05:38] <apetrescu> spked: what errors?
[05:38] <apetrescu> Oh
[05:39] <spyked> i think it's about keyboard language
[05:39] <apetrescu> Then it's a problem with your xorg.conf. Paste it, and the error messages, and I'll take a look :)
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Isn't there a command to upate the tables?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Or am I thinking of something else...
[05:39] <spyked> can't paste - it's on another machine
[05:39] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: not really, not that I know of.
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Yeah I am, the database
[05:39] <spyked> crap
[05:39] <apetrescu> spyked: I can't really debug the xorg.conf file without seeing it =/ Is that computer net-connected?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Would it be safe to move the stuff from hdb1 to hdb4 while running kubuntu?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, leave the data alone, it will move once you give the command to expand the partition
[05:40] <spyked> apetrescu: yes - i'm working on getting you the txt - 2 secs
[05:40] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I don't want to end up losing all my stuff so bare with me.
[05:40] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: his partitions are on opposite sides of the disk. Are you SURE what you're suggesting is possible?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > ext3
[05:41] <K-Ryan> If I delete the first ext3, then expand the second ext3, it will move the info?
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Because something just doesn't sound right.
[05:41] <apetrescu> I believe it won't, but maybe BluesKaj knows something I don't.
[05:41] <apetrescu> But it sounds terribly unlikely to me that the merge he's suggesting is even possible.
[05:41] <BluesKaj> he really should move windows to the hda1 position or sda or hd0 .
[05:42] <K-Ryan> It isn't windows
[05:42] <K-Ryan> It's just an ntfs partition for windows
[05:42] <titanix88> K-Ryan: definitely not!
[05:42] <BluesKaj> windows should be on the left in GParted , then ext either / or /home, then linux swap
[05:43] <K-Ryan> the ntfs partition is smack dab in the middle
[05:43] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: it's not a windows partition, just an ntfs data partition
[05:43] <titanix88> K-Ryan:No problemo! your last ext3 will mount as /home by default.
[05:43] <BluesKaj> what's on the left of windows ?
[05:43] <K-Ryan> titanix88: However I need the info moved
[05:43] <apetrescu> titanix88: He's not trying to have / and /home mounted seperately, he wants there to be *one* larger ext3 partition
[05:43] <BluesKaj> ok ntfs then
[05:44] <K-Ryan> On the left of the ntfs-drive-that-isn't-windows is swap then ext3(/home)
[05:45] <BluesKaj> bummer, well ...is there an existing linux install on the ext partition ?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> The first one, yes
[05:46] <K-Ryan> Well if I have this hdb4, can I use it in Wine?
[05:46] <K-Ryan> To be honest that's what I need it for
[05:46] <backtick> hi all, yesteday i let adept_updater download and install updates (first time since I install kubuntu) but now I can't play any sound files
[05:46] <BluesKaj> but the other partition is strictly ntfs data , no windows OS ?
[05:46] <spyked> apetrescu: going to paste the xorg.conf to you as soon as i register my nick ;9
[05:46] <spyked> ;)
[05:46] <klm> hello
[05:46] <backtick> i use noatun which says artsd can't open the default device for playback (operation not permitted)
[05:46] <K-Ryan> It's ntfs data for Windows, like, my stuff
[05:47] <backtick> and amarok just hangs
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Nothing related to windows
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Hi klm
[05:47] <klm> i have a little problem with networking
[05:47] <Soap> Kubuntu noob here, need help with getting laptop (Dell Lattitude D820) wireless card up and running.  Everyone else I've found through Google seems to have it working out of the box.
[05:47] <apetrescu> spyked: sounds good =) Make sure you also paste the parsing error you got
[05:48] <spyked> apetrescu: ok - you asked for it ;)
[05:48] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, and you want to shrink the ntfs data space and give the remainder over to linux , right ?
[05:48] <K-Ryan> Correct
[05:48] <mannix_> has anyone installed the linux-image-2.6.20-16 update via adept pkg mngr?
[05:48] <K-Ryan> But I can't shrink it on the left
[05:48] <klm> kryan me just now
[05:49] <K-Ryan> klm: Ask the problem and if anyone in the channel can help I'm sure they will.
[05:49] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, ok first of all we don't to need to change any positioning , just the sizes of the partitions
[05:49] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > ext3
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I need to move the second ext3 to the first ext3
[05:50] <jitendra> hello, guys. can anyone help me know how to use apt to make backup of the softwares i download.
[05:50] <jitendra> they get installed but i want backup too.
[05:50] <K-Ryan> but i cant shrink the ntfs on the left side, so i cant move the unallocated space or ext3 to the other ext3.
[05:50] <klm> it seems i can't browse, torrent works fine, p2p the same gaim too
[05:50] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: He is trying to merge the FIRST ext3 partition on his disk with the LAST partition on his disk.
[05:50] <BluesKaj> eeuuw , what's the last ext3 ../ or /home
[05:50] <MrDigimon> How long does it take to do the apt-get distupgrade
[05:50] <K-Ryan> Nothing, I just made it
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I can get rid of it
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I thought that's what I was supposed to do though.
[05:50] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Depends on your network connection
[05:51] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: A few hours is a safe bet
[05:51] <MrDigimon> 54mbps
[05:51] <K-Ryan> Wow
[05:51] <MrDigimon> 3h?
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I think you mean kbps
[05:51] <MrDigimon> whops
[05:51] <MrDigimon> think so too
[05:51] <K-Ryan> Yeeeaaaah
[05:51] <MrDigimon> the wireless
[05:51] <apetrescu> Heh. MrDigimon, yeah, it'll take about 3 hours at that rate.
[05:51] <apetrescu> There's lots to download :)
[05:51] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Mine was between 500kbps and 1mbps and mine worked in no more than 45 minutes.
[05:52] <K-Ryan> The whole thing.
[05:52] <spyked> apetrescu: did you get my text?
[05:52] <BluesKaj> ok ,delete the last ext3 partition if you don't need it
[05:52] <kane> jitendra: what do you mean "back up
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Alrighty
[05:52] <apetrescu> spyked: no :o
[05:52] <korobase> Hi,all
[05:52] <klm> there is a way to see the services that acces my internet connection?
[05:52] <spyked> apetrescu: NO??
[05:52] <spyked> fudge
[05:52] <MrDigimon> but it says E: Invalid operation distupgrade when i try to install
[05:52] <kane> klm: what do you mean?
[05:53] <korobase> I installed a package,But i don't know where it installed?
[05:53] <apetrescu> Nope, did you privmsg it or something?
[05:53] <kane> klm: what ports you have open?
[05:53] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: It's dist-upgrade
[05:53] <BluesKaj> wait ! K-Ryan
[05:53] <apetrescu> Not distupgrade
[05:53] <K-Ryan> What?
[05:53] <MrDigimon> oh, thx :$
[05:53] <korobase> How to find where is it?
[05:53] <jitendra> i meant dpkg package
[05:53] <klm> i don't have acces to browsing and i don't know why
[05:53] <spyked> apetrescu: yes- then i got an eccess flood message and got disconnected ;)
[05:53] <kane> oh can you ping out?
[05:53] <klm> nop
[05:53] <kane> or do other internet activites?
[05:53] <spyked> apetrescu: how can i get this text to you?
[05:53] <apetrescu> spyked: Oh, lol, no. We only got the excess flood quit ;)
[05:53] <klm> still i can use dc++
[05:53] <apetrescu> Why not use pastebin?
[05:53] <korobase> help me.All friends!!!
[05:53] <apetrescu> Or rafb or some other pastebin service/
[05:54] <korobase> I installed a package,But i don't know where it installed?
[05:54] <kane> klm: hrm.
[05:54] <jitendra> kane: i meant dpkg package.
[05:54] <kane> did you install a firewall?
[05:54] <apetrescu> korobase: Using synaptic or adept, rightclick the package name and view the package details
[05:54] <klm> i had some when i restarted the network (/etc/init.d/networking restart)
[05:54] <Jucato> korobase: what did you install?
[05:54] <MrDigimon> wtf?! after 3sec it responded
[05:54] <MrDigimon> Reading package lists... Done
[05:54] <MrDigimon> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:54] <MrDigimon> Calculating upgrade... Done
[05:54] <MrDigimon> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:54] <klm> no i have no such thing
[05:54] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I have ext3 > swap > nfts > unallocated
[05:54] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Did you do sudo apt-get update first?
[05:54] <underdog5004> I'm trying to install Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. It looks like it's a native game for windows, since it has a linux installer on disk 2. When I try to run it, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22909/, which is really not helpful. I've googled around, and it seems the only solution is to copy the default.cfg folder from a windows partition. Unfortunately, I do not have that luxury...Any ideas?
[05:54] <korobase> some packages
[05:54] <MrDigimon> yeah i did
[05:54] <spyked> apetrescu: lol - pastebin is giving me error messages lol
[05:54] <apetrescu> Did you change your sources.list file?
[05:55] <korobase> Any command can do that.
[05:55] <korobase> ?
[05:55] <BluesKaj> ok, now refprmat unallocated to ntfs
[05:55] <spyked> Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[05:55] <spyked> lock tables recent write
[05:55] <apetrescu> spyked: try rafb.net/paste
[05:55] <BluesKaj> format
[05:55] <kane> jitendra: im think all the packages you download get cached for sometime, im not sure what you mean by backing them up though.
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Make it another ntfs drive?
[05:55] <klm> kane: what is hrm
[05:55] <klm> ?
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Or expand the already existing one?
[05:55] <MrDigimon> i did change the source list file but it wont work
[05:55] <spyked> apetrescu: http://rafb.net/p/zZGTB537.html
[05:55] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, , then expand ntfs in to that space
[05:55] <Jucato> korobase: depends on what those packages are meant to do. if they are graphical programs, most probably they will be in the K Menu after installing. if they are command line utilities, you'll have to run them from Konsole. if they are just libraries, you don't run those
[05:55] <apetrescu> Did you get any errors when you did sudo apt-get update ?
[05:56] <MrDigimon> nope
[05:56] <kane> klm: just strange, just for grins try to bring your interface up and back down.
[05:56] <jitendra> kane: i want to know in which directory i look for the cache of the packages i download.
[05:56] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Make it ext3 > swap > ntfs > ntfs ?
[05:56] <kane> sudo ifdown eth0.  sudo ifup eth0
[05:56] <klm> i did that
[05:56] <mannix_>  has anyone installed the linux-image-2.6.20-16 update via adept pkg mngr?
[05:56] <klm> on live cd it works fine
[05:56] <klm> ok let me try it
[05:56] <kane> klm: nutty....
[05:56] <korobase> Yeah,I want use a command to show me some thing detail about a package.
[05:57] <spyked> apetrescu: theparse error was on line 201 of section DRI in xorg.conf - "option" is not a valid keyword in this section
[05:57] <korobase> Which command?
[05:57] <apetrescu> Ah, I see the problem
[05:57] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, yes, then take the first ntfs and expand it
[05:57] <spyked> apetrescu: good to hear that ;9
[05:57] <MrDigimon> i forgot again, wheres the sources.list?
[05:57] <apetrescu> Completely delete lines 201 and 202
[05:57] <SlimeyPete> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:57] <MrDigimon> keep forgetting where it is
[05:57] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Use all the unallocated space?
[05:57] <MrDigimon> thx
[05:58] <apetrescu> You already have that section covered in lines 226-228
[05:58] <kane> jitendra: try /var/cahce/apt/archives
[05:58] <spyked> ok...
[05:58] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, in order to expand a partion left or right he adjoining one must be the same format
[05:58] <apetrescu> So if you delete the lines 201 and 203 from your xorg.conf file, the error will go away
[05:58] <korobase> I install a book using apt-get install,But I can't find it?
[05:58] <apetrescu> Er, 201 and 202 sorry
[05:58] <titanix88> Bluskaj: ur prblm solved?
[05:58] <apetrescu> korobase: It's most likely in /usr/share/doc
[05:58] <titanix88> Blueskaj: ur prblm solved?
[05:59] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I really don't get this, I'm making a second ntfs partition.
[05:59] <jitendra> kane: great man thanks
[05:59] <spyked> apetrescu: done
[05:59] <kane> jitendra: np
[05:59] <apetrescu> Okay, now startx again :)
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Oh I think I get it...
[05:59] <spyked> ok- 2 secs
[05:59] <BluesKaj> yes K-Ryan it must be the same in order to move it there
[06:00] <K-Ryan> No I just overall didn't get it
[06:00] <K-Ryan> I get it now
[06:00] <titanix88> K-Ryan: ubuntu installed or will install?