[12:02] <marcin_ant> slomo, but in fact debian policies for emacs are the biggest problem for me
[12:02] <marcin_ant> slomo, policies not related to FHS and directories
[12:02] <crimsun> shawarma: C transition
[12:02] <marcin_ant> slomo, just emacsen-common stuff etc.
[12:02] <slomo> marcin_ant: sorry that i can't be more helpfull here... i know really nothing about emacs... nothing other than it beeing written in lisp ;)
[12:02] <Nafallo> shawarma: c++ transition
[12:03] <crimsun> shawarma: read more here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition
[12:03] <marcin_ant> slomo, heh how is it possible ;) are you vi user ?
[12:03] <slomo> marcin_ant: vim... yes :P
[12:03] <crimsun> shawarma: read the section entitled "C++ ABI Transition"
[12:04] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok.
[12:04] <marcin_ant> slomo, ehh then you propably know more about emacs than I know about vim :D
[12:04] <marcin_ant> slomo, because I only assume that vim is written in C but not really sure ;)
[12:07] <slomo> marcin_ant: lol... maybe :) yes it's plain C afaik ;) i only know that emacs is written in lisp because i played a bit with lisp (well, scheme) some time ago and a friend of mine (emacs user) says everytime you tell him something about emacs being bloated that it's just a lisp interpreter ;)
[12:08] <marcin_ant> slomo, heh it's true but in fact emacs core is written in C too
[12:08] <marcin_ant> slomo, but emacs cannot work with lisp libraries...
[12:10] <slomo> marcin_ant: hmm... well, i've to leave now for maybe 2 hours :) see you later
[12:10] <ivoks> 'evening
[12:10] <marcin_ant> slomo, np, see you
[12:10] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[12:10] <bddebian> Later slomo
[12:13] <pef> bye !
[12:14] <bddebian> pef: You are leaving?
[12:14] <bddebian> Oh, bye
[12:14] <pef> bddebian: it's midnight here :)
[12:15] <bddebian> Gnight then :-)
[12:15] <pef> thanks !
[01:27] <bmonty> bddebian: ping
[01:32] <bddebian> Yo
[01:32] <bmonty> are people rebuilding the "just need a rebuild" packages on unmetdeps ?
[01:32] <bmonty> or do we have to ask here?
[01:33] <bddebian> bmonty: Good question :-)
[01:34] <bmonty> I noticed one I put in the rebuild list at the beginning of the month has sat there
[01:34] <bmonty> not really critical since some of them are probably not used very often
[01:35] <ajmitch> hi
[01:35] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[01:36] <ajmitch> bmonty: well we have to know that they really need a rebuild, and haven't been done already
[01:36] <ajmitch> and that they don't have other problems
[01:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[01:37] <bmonty> ajmitch: i.e. finding the time to do a QA on the packages?
[01:37] <ajmitch> bmonty: that too
[01:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: hand over the list, I'll take a look
[01:38] <bddebian> Goddamnt, I'm getting a debian/rules:19: *** missing seperator. Stop.  But I can't find anything wrong with it??? :-(
[01:38] <bmonty> I put everything I do (which isn't much in the past week) on to the wiki
[01:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: remove the spaces, put in tabs instead
[01:39] <ajmitch> bmonty: the 1 package you say just needs a rebuild?
[01:40] <bmonty> ajmitch: lessdisks (https://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/lessdisks_0.5.3cvs.20040906-7ubuntu2.debdiff)
[01:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: You rock as always
[01:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, now when patch runs, I get: "/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file" ??
[01:47] <ajmitch> yep
[01:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: that doesn't tell me much
[01:50] <ajmitch> fun, I have to revert my own lessdiffs rebuild first..
[01:50] <ajmitch> s/diffs/disks/
[01:51] <bmonty> ajmitch: not much to revert in mine :)
[01:51] <ajmitch> bmonty: no, but I did have it built with a -7ubuntu2 changelog entry :)
[01:52] <bmonty> ajmitch: wouldn't it be easier to just put yours in and discard mine?
[01:52] <ajmitch> bmonty: so please tell me, what changes does a rebuild do to lessdisks?
[01:53] <bmonty> it is going to update the depends in the binary packages
[01:53] <ajmitch> what depends?
[01:53] <bmonty> the install depends
[01:54] <ajmitch> there are no depends that will change with a rebuild - nothing in ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, etc
[01:55] <ajmitch> the uninstallable part is most likely the kernel-image-netbootable
[01:56] <bmonty> well I used my pbuilder to test the installs and I did the install, uninstall, and reinstall
[01:56] <ajmitch> of all the binary packages?
[01:57] <bmonty> yes, I believe so
[01:57] <ajmitch> Depends: kernel-image-2.4-386 | kernel-image-2.6-386 | kernel-image-netboot | not+i386, kernel-image-2.4-generic | kernel-image-2.6-generic | kernel-image-netboot | not+alpha
[01:57] <ajmitch> ubuntu (and now debian) has linux-image-*
[01:58] <bmonty> cool, didn't know that
[01:59] <bmonty> since I don't know what all these packages do, I simply try to build them, if they build I test their install and uninstall
[01:59] <bmonty> if that works, as far as I know the package just needs a rebuild to work
[01:59] <ajmitch> this is why checking the rebuild list takes awhile :)
[02:00] <bmonty> yeah, I wasn't criticizing, just making sure I understood the process
[02:00] <zul> gah..
[02:01] <ajmitch> zul: ?
[02:02] <zul> battery dying
[02:02] <ajmitch> nasty
[02:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: also in this case you could have merged in debian changes (only debian revision, no new upstream)
[02:03] <ajmitch> not meaning to be overly critical :)
[02:04] <bmonty> no worries, I wouldn't have known to check for debian changes
[02:04] <bmonty> I'll add that to my list of things to check :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> something we should all do when touching packages :)
[02:05] <bmonty> it isn't glamourous, but I want to make sure I do this correctly
[02:06] <ajmitch> of course it's not glamourous
[02:06] <ajmitch> that's the whole point of MOTU work ;)
[02:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why, you love to be overly critical of my stuff.. ;-P
[02:07] <bmonty> MOTU - it's better than living in New Orleans
[02:07] <bddebian> Ouch
[02:09] <bddebian2> ajmitch: if [ -e patch-stamp ] ; then \
[02:09] <bddebian2>         for i in `ls debian/patches/|sort -r` ; do patch -p1 -R < /devel/quickplottmp/quickplot-0.8.6/debian/patches/$i ; done ; \
[02:09] <bddebian2>         rm -f patch-stamp
[02:09] <bddebian2> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[02:09] <bddebian2> make: *** [unpatch-stamp]  Error 2
[02:16] <shawarma> bddebian: Is that in a makefile?
[02:16] <shawarma> bddebian2: ..or in a script called from a makefile?
[02:18] <shawarma> bddebian2: Either way: It's probably because of the missing 'fi'.
[02:19] <ajmitch> bddebian2: I have to be overly critica
[02:19] <ajmitch> I'm just trying to do the same for others ;)
[02:31] <bddebian> shawarma: MIssing fi?
[02:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[02:32] <bddebian> Oh, there is a fi after the if, if that is what you mean
[02:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll ask for a sync for scalapack
[02:32] <bddebian> shawarma: And now, it's from debian rules
[02:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why is there a new version?
[02:32] <bddebian> s/now/no/
[02:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, uploaded in the last few days
[02:33] <bddebian> #!@#$%%$^^
[02:33] <ajmitch> more like yesterday, or today :)
[02:33] <ajmitch> it's not in the debian archive yet
[02:34] <bddebian> Sheesh
[02:34] <bddebian> This patch is pissing me off for one little stupid line of code change
[02:34] <shawarma> bddebian: You start an 'if', but there's no finishing 'fi'.
[02:34] <bddebian> shawarma: There is in my rules file
[02:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, looks worthy for sync, I'll beg elmo
[02:35] <shawarma> bddebian: Ok, you just omitted it in what you pasted.
[02:35] <ajmitch> hm, perhaps not sync
[02:35] <shawarma> bddebian: Er... Is the 'fi' on the line following the 'rm -f patch-stamp' ?
[02:36] <bddebian> shawarma: Well it doesn't show on the err message now that you mention it
[02:36] <bddebian> shawarma: Yes, right after rm -f...
[02:36] <shawarma> bddebian: Exactly. Chances are that you're just missing a \ on the line before it.
[02:36] <shawarma> bddebian: Put a \ at the very end of that line then, and you're good to go. :-)
[02:41] <shawarma> bddebian: Did that help?
[02:43] <bddebian> You meant \ at the end of rm -f patch-stamp right?
[02:46] <bddebian> Ahhh, I was missing a ; and a \ .  What a dolt.  Thanks shawarma
[02:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: There aren't any ubuntu changes in scalapack, are there?
[02:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: none
[02:47] <bddebian> Then why not a synch?
[02:48] <ajmitch> it now build-depends on newer mpich version than we have
[02:48] <bddebian> Ahh
[02:48] <bddebian> So synch the mpich.. ;-P
[02:49] <bddebian> Freakin' a skippy, it worked.. w00t
[02:50] <ajmitch> no, I won't sync mpich, there's no good reason to break UVF
[02:50] <bddebian> I was joking.. Notice the ;-P :)
[02:50] <shawarma> bddebian: Any time.
[02:51] <ajmitch> although mpich looks like it should have been c++ transitioned, but hasn't
[02:52] <ajmitch> hm, that's a worry
[02:52] <ajmitch> c++ libs in libmpich, package wasn't renamed
[02:54] <bddebian> Hmm
[02:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: If you get some "free" time can you peruse my list on "Non-MOTU" fixes on UniverseUnmetDeps?
[02:57] <ajmitch> why is there a non-motu fixes?
[02:57] <ajmitch> +tora (1.3.16-1build2) breezy; urgency=low
[02:57] <ajmitch> +
[02:57] <ajmitch> +  * Changed depends from libqt3c102* to libqt3*
[02:57] <ajmitch> that's obviously wrong..
[02:57] <ajmitch> maybe you meant 1ubuntu1
[02:57] <bddebian> Why?
[02:57] <bddebian> Ohh
[02:58] <bddebian> Because I am not an MOTU so they need review before upload.
[02:59] <ajmitch> http://bur.st/~lathiat/savant.debdiff
[02:59] <ajmitch> why comment out the cout << "NULL" part?
[03:03] <bddebian> Because if FTBFSs otherwise.
[03:03] <bddebian> I think its useless code anyhow.  All other instances are commented out
[03:03] <bddebian> Unless you want to declare cout and endl
[03:04] <bddebian2> quit
[03:04] <bddebian2> whoops
[03:04] <bddebian> OK, gotta go spend some "quality time" with the Mrs.  Be back in a couple hourse
[03:04] <bddebian> -e
[03:51] <bmonty> ajmitch: so I'm looking at the xfree86-driver-synaptics, the debian version is newer and updated for X.org, is this where you ask for a resync?
[03:55] <ajmitch> I don't know if it's needed at all
[03:55] <ajmitch> since we already have a synaptics driver for x.org
[03:55] <ajmitch> Version: 0.14.3-1ubuntu1
[03:55] <ajmitch> Replaces: xfree86-driver-synaptics
[03:55] <ajmitch> Provides: xfree86-driver-synaptics
[04:06] <bmonty> where did you get that version info?  ubuntu's packages page shows the version is 0.14.2-1
[04:07] <ajmitch> for xorg-driver-synaptics?
[04:07] <ajmitch>  *** 0.14.3-1ubuntu1 0
[04:07] <ajmitch>        1200 http://<IP_ADDRESS> breezy/main Packages
[04:07] <ajmitch>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:07] <bmonty> the version you listed is for xorg-driver-synaptics?
[04:07] <ajmitch> yes
[04:08] <ajmitch> so the xfree86 version can be morgued, imho
[04:08] <bmonty> yeah, that is what I was thinking
[05:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, Lathiat said std:: too but I don't know C++ for squat..  Probably is a better solution.
[05:10] <lamont> ogra: new waili uploaded
[05:10] <ajmitch> hi lamont
[05:10] <ajmitch> would you like me to throw the tomato if I see him, instead?
[05:10] <bddebian> pyxine was removed from Debian?
[05:11] <bddebian> Oh, so I can take waili off my list, nice
[05:11] <ajmitch> looks like it
[05:11] <lamont> ajmitch: nah - he just renamed it to libwailic2 in one spot, and libwaili1 in another...
[05:11] <lamont> so I fixed it
[05:11] <lamont> bddebian: oh.
[05:11] <lamont> bddebian: I'm just killing some easy ones
[05:12] <bddebian> lamont: I have a bunch of "easy" ones, I think, waiting on UniverseUnmetDeps :-)
[05:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: for c++ & using cout, you either prefix them with std::, or put a namespace std; at the top
[05:12] <ajmitch> iirc
[05:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: You want me to do that instead then?
[05:14] <lamont> namespace std is ugly but not terrible for non-headers.  absolute evil in a header file
[05:14] <ajmitch> I don't know, since I haven't seen the context of the source :)
[05:14] <ajmitch> lamont: I know, it can break things horribly
[05:14] <bddebian> It looks like just a debug function afaict
[05:14] <ajmitch> it can possibly be left commented out then
[05:15] <ajmitch> not that there's been any new upstream release hit debian for 18+ months
[05:15] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[05:16] <bddebian> Should I bother with pyxine since it was dropped from Debian?
[05:17] <lamont> in what way is the preview affecting universe?
[05:17] <lamont> preview freeze, that is...
[05:17] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319699
[05:17] <ajmitch> lamont: not much, except that we're extra careful about not breaking things
[05:18] <lamont> ok
[05:18] <ajmitch> so limited exceptions for UVF breakage
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK :-)
[05:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: gives a few good reasons for removal, imho
[05:18] <ajmitch> lamont: ok, what sort of bugs that we can fix?
[05:19] <lamont> ajmitch: so I've been doing things like fixing g++/xorg/postgres transition bugs
[05:19] <ajmitch> right, I've come across a few postgres ones
[05:20] <lamont> although I haven't been checking to see that they are really "breezy-autotest failures with binaries of the same version in the archive" (just that they are FTBFS)
[05:20] <lamont> the "" is one of my breezy/main criteria
[05:20] <ajmitch> there's a long list of packages that people have worked on for gl/glu, that have yet to be uploaded
[05:20] <lamont> I've been ignoring gl/glu :-)
[05:20] <ajmitch> ok :)
[05:20] <bddebian> Heh
[05:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wow a main uploader eh? :-)
[05:21] <lamont> note also that the permission for the class-of-bugs uploads to main was not a blanket grant to all main-uploaders...
[05:21] <lamont> generally speaking, the state for uploads to main right now is "ask first, and don't do it until kamion says you may"
[05:21] <ajmitch> yes, that's to be expected
[05:22] <ajmitch> it's too easy to accidentally break things right before preview release
[05:22] <lamont> and come monday morning, kamion has told me he's revoking my blanket perms.
[05:22] <lamont> specifically to stablize for preview CD's.
[05:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: You didn't by chance get time to look at my quickplot fix did you?
[05:22] <lamont> or rather, colony $mumble
[05:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I haven't looked at it yet
[05:23] <bddebian> NP
[05:24] <ajmitch> oh, that's the one you were having patch fun with?
[05:24] <bddebian> Aye
[05:25] <ajmitch> all for a 1 line patch :)
[05:25] <bddebian> Exactly :-)
[05:25] <bddebian> "checking for main in -lz"? WTF?
[05:29] <bddebian> That's not a good way to look for a required lib is it?  AC_CHECK_LIB(z,main,[] , ...
[05:47] <bddebian> So if postgresql-plruby wants postgresql-dev (<< 7.5) and I wanted to go ahead and try it with 7.5.8, what should I change the build-deps to?  (<< 8.0) or (<< 7.6), etc?
[05:51] <lamont> well, I think pitti was doing a postgres 8.0 transition...
[05:51] <lamont> poke pitti
[06:00] <bddebian> OK, thanks lamont
[06:04] <bddebian> Where is libpgtcl?
[07:44] <pef> hi
[09:22] <siretart> morning
[09:22] <siretart> ajmitch: you talked earlier about scorched3d?
[10:42] <Lathiat> anyone notice nvidia and/or fglrx GL is fairly useless?
[10:43] <siretart> didn't check yet, as my amd64 box with nvidia is still hoary
[10:44] <Lathiat> glxgears is so slow
[10:44] <Lathiat> that after like 2 minutes
[10:44] <Lathiat> it still hadnt printed an FPS
[10:44] <Lathiat> and supertuxkart runs like a total dog
[10:45] <siretart> glxgears is broken for me, too
[10:45] <siretart> on my radeon, no FPS are printed, but the gears are rotating smoothly
[10:59] <Lathiat> they look pretty crap h ere
[10:59] <Lathiat> and the fact that supertuxkart runs like crap tells me it isnt working so well
[11:00] <Lathiat> nvidia-settings isnt showing me my temperature either
[11:00] <Lathiat> so it might be br0ked
[12:51] <ajmitch> siretart: bochs is on the list of things to sync for a reason
[12:51] <ajmitch> which is why it just FTBFS
[01:54] <pef> hi
[02:20] <bddebian> Sheesh, you'd think it was a holiday weekend or something :-)
[02:41] <siretart> ajmitch: oh. sorry
[02:42] <ajmitch> siretart: it currently FTBFS because of aalib-dev
[02:42] <ajmitch> but I'm sure there was another build failure later on :)
[02:42] <siretart> ajmitch: where is the list of things to sync?
[02:42] <ajmitch> n/p, but it was listed as needed sync on the unmet deps page
[02:42] <siretart> oh
[02:43] <ajmitch> I'll fire off an email to elmo asking for anjuta & bochs sync
[02:43] <ajmitch> bochs will break UVF for universe
[02:43] <siretart> thats ok
[02:44] <ajmitch> yeah, since it'll fix FTBFS for an important package :)
[02:51] <bddebian> ajmitch is up? Wow. :-)
[02:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: well it's 1AM, so I'm still up
[02:53] <ajmitch> haha
[02:53] <ajmitch> even then I don't do much :)
[02:56] <bddebian> heh
[02:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: So you are going to upload my stuff from your bed? ;-P
[02:58] <rbelem> morning
[02:58] <bddebian> Hello rbelem
[02:59] <rbelem> hi bddebian, how's going? and the bug fixes? ;-)
[03:05] <womble> ajmitch: Have you seen this? http://lappyvator.cyberknights.com.au/
[03:05] <bddebian> rbelem: Slowly
[03:06] <ajmitch> womble: looks useful :)
[03:06] <bddebian> That's pathetic
[03:06] <womble> ajmitch: It's certainly on *my* personal wishlist.  <grin>
[03:07] <bddebian> rbelem: And I'm not sure I would call what I do "bugfixing" :-)
[03:08] <rbelem> bddebian: heheeheh
[03:09] <rbelem> bddebian: here... i'm trying to fix some unmet deps
[03:10] <bddebian> rbelem: Me too but no one uploads them. :-) (Excluding ajmitch of course)
[03:10] <ajmitch> is that a subtle hint for me to get uploading, bddebian ?
[03:10] <rbelem> heheeehe
[03:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, just a statement that no one else seems to look at/ care about the unmet deps page.
[03:11] <bddebian> But if your bored... ;-)
[03:12] <ajmitch> it's not secksy work, doing unmet deps ;)
[03:13] <bddebian> Well I'm starting to feel like I'm working on it for nothing
[03:14] <ajmitch> why?
[03:15] <bddebian> Because no one looks at it except you when you have time
[03:15] <siretart> bddebian: which uploads do you need?
[03:15] <bddebian> And people upload stuff without ever even looking at it so I can't keep up
[03:16] <siretart> bddebian: I uploaded tora for you, yesterday. Just looking what happened to tapiir
[03:16] <bddebian> siretart: There are two lists on UniverseUnmetDeps.  Although I think a couple of packages listed in my "Just need a rebuild" list are wrong, which is why I need some guidance from time to time
[03:18] <siretart> ah. i see
[03:18] <siretart> ok
[03:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw, can you take python-iplib & python-imdbpy off that list?
[03:19] <ajmitch> since they're apt-get.org crack that I'm stripping down & redoing
[03:19] <ajmitch> badly packaged :)
[03:19] <siretart> bddebian: whats the problem with xmpi? its installable for me
[03:20] <ajmitch> that's because last upload was on aug 27, by mitario
[03:20] <ajmitch> xmpi (2.2.3b8-8ubuntu3) breezy; urgency=low
[03:20] <ajmitch>  .
[03:20] <ajmitch>   * Modified shlibs.local for UnmetDeps.
[03:20] <bddebian> siretart: As I said, I can't keep up
[03:20] <siretart> ahh. hm
[03:20] <ajmitch> and you think I can? :)
[03:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: building sear now, will check & upload
[03:21] <siretart> hmmm
[03:21] <siretart> xmpi_2.2.3b8-8ubuntu3 got built and seems pretty installable..
[03:22] <ajmitch> yes
[03:22] <siretart> bddebian: t38modem got also already rebuilt
[03:23] <siretart> bddebian: thank you for your excellent work with the unmet deps page.
[03:23] <bddebian> OK, removed, thanks gents
[03:24] <bddebian> siretart: Bah ;-)
[03:24] <siretart> did you check the buildlogs of the packages in your list?
[03:24] <bddebian> siretart: Which list?
[03:25] <bddebian> Either of you know where libpgtcl is?
[03:25] <siretart> your 'to be rebuilt list'
[03:25] <siretart> never heard about
[03:25] <bddebian> siretart: No, I haven't recently
[03:25] <bddebian> siretart: It's a depends for pgaccess and pgadmin3
[03:26] <ajmitch> so it came from somewhere.. :)
[03:26] <ajmitch> possibly replaced by postgresql-pltcl-7.4
[03:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: I can't find it in the archive and policy shows no candidates
[03:27] <siretart> spiralsynthmodular was uploaded on aug 27
[03:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh
[03:27] <bddebian> wiliki hasn't been rebuilt since jine
[03:27] <bddebian> Err June even
[03:28] <bddebian> The last spiralsynthmodular I see is Aug 22 and failed ??
[03:29] <bddebian> I also have like 3 merged packages that I think can go up.. :-)
[03:29] <ajmitch> ok, sear rebuild didn't work yet..
[03:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Didn't build?
[03:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: built fine
[03:30] <ajmitch> but the shlibs of liberis1.2-dev are crack
[03:30] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[03:31] <Nafallo> bddebian: morning :-)
[03:32] <rbelem> hi Nafallo morning ;-)
[03:32] <Nafallo> rbelem: morning :-)
[03:32] <Nafallo> morning all!
[03:32] <ajmitch> ok, eris fixed..
[03:32] <Nafallo> ehm
[03:32] <ajmitch> will tighten build-deps on sear to match
[03:32] <Nafallo> ahh, a packet :-P
[03:33] <Nafallo> my friend's server is named eris ;-)
[03:33] <bddebian> siretart: See, apparently I still do much incorrectly :-(
[03:36] <ajmitch> being pedantic has its advantages
[03:36] <bddebian> What do you mean by pedantic in this case?
[03:36] <ajmitch> checking every depend of the sear binary :)
[03:36] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[03:37] <ajmitch> running apt-cache unmet in my breezy chroot to see why sear needed the rebuild
[03:37] <ajmitch> spotting that liberis1.2 wasn't really in the archive
[03:37] <bddebian> spiralsynthmodular still shows in apt-cache unmet
[03:37] <ajmitch> and checking that eris really had C++ headers, and actually needed the transition
[03:38] <ajmitch> rock, eris built, will upload
[03:39] <siretart> bddebian: quark can be dropped, too, I think..
[03:39] <bddebian> siretart: Dropped from my list or dropped from Ubuntu?
[03:40] <siretart> bddebian: it is installable for me
[03:41] <bddebian> Depends libxine1 for me
[03:41] <bddebian> siretart: What platform are you on?
[03:42] <siretart> x86
[03:43] <bddebian> siretart: See how frustrating this is. ;-)
[03:43] <siretart> gnarf..
[03:43] <siretart> hm.. my notebook is a hoary upgrade. that could explain
[03:43] <ajmitch> yep
[03:43] <siretart> i can reproduce this in my amd64/breezy pbuilder..
[03:44] <ajmitch> this is why I check to see if the package is in the archive, rather than just if it installs ;)
[03:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: sear uploaded with fix
[03:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Rockin', thanks d00d
[03:45] <siretart> bddebian: we really need to get you upload privileges ;)
[03:46] <bddebian> siretart: Thanks but to be honest I'm a little leary since I still seem to make a lot of dumb mistakes.
[03:46] <ajmitch> we all do
[03:46] <ajmitch> the eris fix I did was because of a broken transition by a MOTU
[03:47] <bddebian> Well YOU never do. ;-P
[03:47] <siretart> nasty
[03:48] <siretart> ;)
[03:48] <ajmitch> :P
[03:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: of course I make mistakes
[03:48] <ajmitch> I've even had elmo chasing me because of stupid mistakes
[03:48] <ajmitch> and you *don't* want that :)
[03:48] <ajmitch> siretart: not this time ;)
[03:48] <Lathiat> haha
[03:48] <siretart> puh.. :)
[03:49] <bddebian> semidef-oct and rubyfilter gone/missing from the archive?
[03:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: rubyfilter src is still in archive here
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: The source yes
[03:49] <ajmitch> there's no rubyfilter binary package
[03:50] <ajmitch> just ones like rdeliver, etc
[03:50] <bddebian> Oh damn it, I keep doing that
[03:50] <ajmitch> still looks to be there
[03:51] <ajmitch> librfilter-ruby1.6 depends on a missing librmail-ruby1.6
[03:51] <ajmitch> only a 1.8 version exists
[03:52] <bddebian> Is there a "quick and dirty" way to see what binary packages a source package provides without grabbing the source?
[03:52] <ajmitch> apt-cache showsrc <package>
[03:52] <siretart> bddebian: apt-cache showsrc
[03:52] <siretart> damn. too slow ;)
[03:52] <ajmitch>  apt-cache showsrc rdeliver
[03:52] <ajmitch> Package: rubyfilter
[03:52] <ajmitch> Binary: librfilter-ruby1.8, librfilter-ruby1.6, rdeliver, rubyfilter-doc
[03:52] <bddebian> I just did that but I missed the Binary: section.. Bah..  Man, I have to wake up
[03:53] <bddebian> Thx
[03:53] <ajmitch> n/p, I have a few litres here ;)
[03:53] <siretart> could someone of you do me a favor and try to start xfig?
[03:53] <ajmitch> siretart: yep
[03:53] <siretart> I get some strange error messages on startup, about borken app-defaults
[03:54] <ajmitch> yep
[03:54] <ajmitch> probably due to x.org changes
[03:54] <siretart> hm
[03:54] <siretart> so bug daniels or infinity?
[03:54] <ajmitch> I'd say
[03:54] <siretart> ok
[03:54] <ajmitch> because xfig is a very important package ;)
[03:54] <siretart> absolutly :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Hmm, rsplib appears OK now
[03:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: it should be, since it was one that I fixed with a socketapi sync, remember?
[03:55] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well update my wiki stuff so I don't forget.. ;-P
[03:56] <ajmitch> sure
[03:57] <bddebian> rhdb-admin shouldn't be on the rebuild list either.. :-(
[03:58] <ajmitch> this is great, the list is getting cleared with even less work ;)
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: depends libpgtcl
[03:59] <ajmitch> is that why it shouldn't be on the list?
[03:59] <bddebian> Yes
[03:59] <ajmitch> ok
[03:59] <ajmitch> I'll check out that issue now
[04:00] <ajmitch> we might be able to fix a bunch of those packages easily
[04:00] <bddebian> You rock
[04:01] <pef> erf...2 hdd of my raid1 on my webserver are dead :/
[04:02] <bddebian> pxp looks OK
[04:02] <pef> I hope I haven't lost all my debdiff
[04:03] <bddebian> pef: :-(
[04:03] <pef> 9 debdiff :/
[04:03] <Yagisan> pef: ouch
[04:03] <Nafallo> pef: spell backup ;-)
[04:04] <pef> Nafallo: server died before being able to launch daily cron backup
[04:04] <Nafallo> pef: hmm, next time: * * * * * ;-)
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: the pltcl packages don't seem to ship the same files, so I'll ask pitti when I see him next
[04:11] <ajmitch> as he's the main debian postgresql maintainer
[04:14] <ivoks> hey all
[04:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: NP
[04:14] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[04:16] <bddebian> I think the rest of the "Just need a rebuild" list is OK. (I think)
[04:19] <bddebian> Is python-2.2 just gone, so anything building a python-2.1 or 2.2 binary needs "Fixed"?
[04:19] <slomo> python 2.2 and 2.1 are not gone afaik
[04:20] <slomo> they just need some love ;)
[04:20] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:20] <ivoks> bye all
[04:22] <ajmitch> we want to drop any 2.1 & 2.2 packages from the archive, please
[04:22] <ajmitch> so yes, they need fixed
[04:23] <bddebian> So something like clementtree that builds a python2.2-clementtree should have that package removed from control?
[04:26] <slomo> ajmitch: sure... but python 2.1 and 2.2 are there for compatibility reasons... and someone needs to fix them... FTBFS currently afaik
[04:27] <ajmitch> we are removing the old python 2.1 & 2.2 packages
[04:28] <ajmitch> why do they FTBFS?
[04:29] <ajmitch> since I see a successful build of py 2.1 only a couple of weeks ago
[04:30] <slomo> ajmitch: don't know... i had debdiffs flying around for them and at the time siretart wants to upload them (maybe 2 weeks later) they FTBFS
[04:31] <slomo> ajmitch: i'll look at it when i finished my other stuff here and mako finally looks at the CoC...
[04:31] <bddebian> slomo: Still no CoC? :-(
[04:31] <bddebian> siretart: Did you say you were trying my tapiir?
[04:31] <slomo> bddebian: no :(
[04:33] <bddebian> Hmm, what to do now...
[04:38] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:38] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[04:40] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[04:42] <siretart> huhu sistpoty, hi slomo
[04:42] <siretart> bddebian: I just looked over quantlib, uploading now
[04:43] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[04:43] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[04:43] <siretart> GRRR
[04:43] <siretart> why does firefox hate me :(
[04:44] <bddebian> siretart: OK, thx
[04:45] <siretart> why does firefox segfault for me randomly.. hmm
[04:45] <tseng> flash?
[04:45] <tseng> totem?
[04:45] <tseng> mostly one of those
[04:46] <siretart> no: tabextensions! again! :(
[04:47] <sistpoty> hm... then i won't install these yet ;)
[04:49] <Lathiat> hah what do you need thsoe for :)
[04:49] <tseng> anyone have a wordpress converter to pyblosxom?
[04:49] <sistpoty> Lathiat: e.g. to have several rows of tabs when you have many tabs open
[04:50] <siretart> mmh. new tabextensions on incoming.debian.org
[04:50] <Lathiat> cool
[04:50] <Lathiat> i want that ;p
[04:50] <siretart> lets try these..
[04:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: Uh oh, now what? :-)
[04:50] <siretart> MUCH BETTER
[04:50] <siretart> => note to self: request sync from elmo..
[04:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: automated unmet deps crack
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nice :-)
[04:51] <ajmitch> nothing new
[04:52] <bddebian> Hmm, newer version of rscheme in Debian
[04:52] <ajmitch> new upstream version, or new debian revision?
[04:53] <ajmitch> ah, new upstream...
[04:53] <bddebian> From .b30 to .final.  But looks like still has gcc4 issues according to BTS
[04:53] <bddebian> Trying build now..
[04:54] <sistpoty> good luck, bddebian ;)
[04:54] <bddebian> Hmm segfault, nice
[04:54] <sistpoty> ok, then nothing new since the last version *g*
[04:55] <bddebian> Heh
[04:58] <bddebian> Bah, I dunno what to work on since you people can't keep up.. ;-P
[04:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, we should just give up now & let you handle it all
[05:00] <siretart> :)
[05:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh ouch, I was kidding man... :'-(
[05:00] <siretart> LOL: u_draw.c:1071: Warnung: Zeigerziele in Zuweisung unterscheiden sich im Vorzeichenbesitz
[05:00] <siretart> that translation is too cruel
[05:02] <bddebian> Looks Greek to me. ;-)
[05:02] <slomo> siretart: lol :) babelfish?
[05:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: well we're obviously incompetent ;)
[05:03] <siretart> slomo: no worse: gcc-4 with german locale
[05:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Who said that?  Certainly not me.
[05:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm the incompetent one or I wouldn't need so much hand holding. :)
[05:05] <ajmitch> yay, at least my script fetches the package files so far ;)
[05:11] <ajmitch> now for the hard part of Depends tracking
[05:12] <bddebian> Hello Seveas
[05:17] <bddebian> Hmm, much newer version of buffy in Debian too
[05:20] <ajmitch> oh this script is going to be so slow it's not funny ;)
[05:22] <siretart> finally!
[05:23] <siretart> wpa_supplicant is DTRT with static wep keys..
[05:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: What is this script going to do?
[05:25] <ivoks> is 'restricted' repository enabled after installation?
[05:26] <siretart> ivoks: I think so
[05:26] <ivoks> ok
[05:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: take over the world
[05:27] <siretart> sistpoty: when you updated wpasupplicant, from where did you take the madwifi headers?
[05:29] <siretart> ajmitch: with madwifi?
[05:29] <ajmitch> ipw2200
[05:29] <siretart> ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA] : Operation not supported
[05:29] <siretart> this is what I get
[05:29] <ajmitch> ignore that
[05:29] <ajmitch> it's harmless
[05:29] <siretart> I don't have any wpa network here to test..
[05:30] <siretart> ah, sounds promising :)
[05:30] <siretart> wpasupplicant is doing here wep keying only.. l)
[05:30] <ajmitch> heh
[05:31] <ajmitch> but why?
[05:31] <siretart> ajmitch: because I want to use it as roaming daemon
[05:31] <siretart> I want wpa_supplicant to scan the air and select the right auth/keying method
[05:32] <bddebian> *ajmitch is now known as Brain
[05:32] <siretart> so I can just use dhcp and don't have to care about keys/authentication in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: actually I do
[05:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Really? :-)
[05:51] <ivoks> ping  anyone?
[05:51] <bddebian> Newer version of ace in Debian too
[05:51] <bddebian> Whassup ivoks ?
[05:51] <ivoks> lol i can't belive it!!!
[05:51] <sistpoty> ?
[05:51] <ivoks> i just did suspend to ram
[05:51] <ivoks> and then resume
[05:52] <ivoks> still conected :)
[05:52] <sistpoty> wow ;)
[05:52] <bddebian> Heh
[05:52] <ivoks> it is wow, cause my networking was restarted :)
[05:52] <ivoks> like ifconfig eth1 down
[05:53] <ivoks> xexe
[05:53] <ivoks> that's only cause i wansn't off for a long time... few seconds...
[05:53] <ivoks> but... this is nice too :)
[05:53] <sistpoty> this is really nice ;)
[05:54] <ivoks> well... download didn't continue :(
[05:55] <ivoks> btw.. aria is the best download manager... just ugly :)
[05:56] <ajmitch> great, my script writing has shown up that libx11-6 has a Depend on itself
[05:57] <ivoks> :)
[06:01] <siretart> bddebian: I tried to build the updated ace from debian
[06:02] <siretart> bddebian: at least amd64 is affected by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324271
[06:02] <siretart> which seems really really nasty
[06:03] <tseng> \sh_away: woo, jabberme.net
[06:03] <siretart> tseng: /me is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[06:03] <siretart> tseng: you?
[06:03] <tseng> brandon
[06:04] <tseng> yay
[06:04] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:04] <Nafallo> tseng: the old one deprecated? :-)
[06:04] <tseng> yes
[06:04] <ivoks> hey tseng Nafallo
[06:04] <Nafallo> hi ivoks :_(
[06:04] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:04] <tseng> ill sign off in a second
[06:04] <ivoks> Nafallo: ?
[06:04] <Nafallo> hi ivoks :-)
[06:04] <ivoks> :)
[06:05] <ivoks> ah...
[06:06] <sistpoty> hm... /me just created a jabbernet account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:09] <tseng> yay
[06:09] <bddebian> siretart: OK. Thx.  Just looking for some other work to do. :-)
[06:09] <ivoks> now 'MOTU' group is bigger than Buddies :)
[06:09] <bddebian> heh
[06:10] <siretart> ivoks: your jabberid?
[06:10] <ivoks> siretart<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:10] <Nafallo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:10] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:11] <tseng> f#$@# metacity
[06:11] <ivoks> ok, bug in gaimu
[06:11] <Nafallo> gaimu?
[06:11] <Nafallo> gaim?
[06:11] <ivoks> gaim
[06:11] <Nafallo> oki :-)
[06:11] <ivoks> when someone adds me, it asks me do i want to add him
[06:12] <ivoks> ok, then i get add buddy UI
[06:12] <ivoks> where i have to click new person, ok
[06:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: hehe
[06:12] <ivoks> but i can't hit Add then :)
[06:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: isn't that the evo-plugin? :-)
[06:12] <ivoks> it is
[06:12] <ivoks> but bug is in gaim
[06:12] <Nafallo> hmm, oki :-)
[06:13] <ivoks> cause uid isn't empty
[06:13] <ivoks> but add is grey
[06:13] <ivoks> hm hm
[06:14] <Lathiat> hey ivoks
[06:14] <ivoks> hey Lathiat
[06:14] <Lathiat> i guess i never actually tried dialling
[06:14] <ivoks> :))
[06:14] <Lathiat> it just seemed to work
[06:14] <ivoks> i know
[06:15] <ivoks> now imagine how frustraiting it can get :)
[06:15] <ivoks> it works, it reports as smartlink, everything seems ok :)
[06:15] <ivoks> but doesn't dial :)
[06:15] <Lathiat> in fact
[06:15] <Lathiat> i think i recall having it not dial
[06:15] <Lathiat> just never thought any more of it ;p
[06:16] <Lathiat> 'ah its shit doesnt wor'
[06:16] <Lathiat> after changing the country etc
[06:16] <ivoks> i tought that was the reason, too
[06:16] <ivoks> then that lspci -vvv
[06:16] <Lathiat> heh
[06:16] <ivoks> it was "WTF?!"
[06:17] <ivoks> i was playing with that for months!
[06:17] <ivoks> and fscking thing isn't what it tells me :)
[06:18] <bddebian> Hey, since everyone is here, let's knock out some more unmet deps..
[06:20] <bddebian> heh
[06:28] <ivoks> sorry, /me is busy
[06:28] <bddebian> :-)
[08:21] <bur[n] er> has anyone tried to get qemu w/kqemu accelerator to compile in breezy?
[08:21] <bur[n] er> i get build errors
[08:34] <bur[n] er> nm... it has to do with gcc 4
[08:37] <underline> i'm trying to help ubuntu project rebuilding some packages I saw im UniverseUnmetDeps... when I get this packs "rebuild" what do I do??
[08:37] <bur[n] er> tell one of the MOTUs :)
[08:38] <bur[n] er> underline: or use REVU?
[08:38] <underline> bur[n] er, tkx...
[08:38] <underline> bur[n] er, What's revu?? :P
[08:38] <underline> hmm... the topic :P
[08:38] <underline> ok...
[08:38] <bur[n] er> underline: see /topic
[08:38] <bur[n] er> ;)
[08:39] <underline> bur[n] er, tkx guy... I'm gonna wait till my CHROOT is completed... I'll be back in a minute
[08:40] <bur[n] er> have fun
[08:40] <bur[n] er> as a side note, i don't suppose you have gcc 3?
[08:40] <bur[n] er> or know how to compile using 3 instead of 4 so I can actually build qemu
[08:41] <siretart> bur[n] er: qemu w/kqemu? which package is that?
[08:42] <bur[n] er> kqemu is just an add on kernel module to qemu that makes it faster
[08:42] <underline> bur[n] er, I've already build a lot of package, but under pure debian... with ubuntu is the first time... I'm kind learning the process :P
[08:42] <bur[n] er> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/index.html <-- qemu... kqemu is the qemu accelerator module
[08:43] <bur[n] er> i can't compile it because it requires gcc 3.x according to the faq http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/faq.html
[08:54] <Burglaptop> ogra, any chance of getting g-p-m 0.2.0?
[08:57] <siretart> bur[n] er: ubuntu kernel is compiled with gcc 3.4
[08:57] <hrvoje> any ubuntu developers present ?
[09:00] <bur[n] er> siretart: so does that mean I just have to wait till qemu is ported to gcc 3.4?
[09:00] <slomo> Burglaptop: hehe, i wanted to ask him too :)
[09:00] <siretart> bur[n] er: possibly yes
[09:01] <bur[n] er> awww
[09:01] <bur[n] er> thanks for the enlightenment siretart
[09:01] <Burglaptop> slomo, I don't think we are going to get it. We only have hal 0.5.3 and it requires. 4
[09:02] <slomo> Burglaptop: it 0.5.3 compatible to 0.5.4 and does it contain only bugfixes? ;)
[09:02] <hrvoje> To whom it may concern: I've just installed Colony 3 CD today and tried to install Mathematica, went well but didn't install mathematica fonts because lack of xset which it obviously executes, so it won't work for users
[09:03] <Burglaptop> slomo, no idea
[09:04] <shawarma> When I run dpkg-buildpackage -S (i.e. I only want to build the source package) which targets are invoked in debian/rules ?
[09:07] <robitaille> hrvoje: apt-get install xset   (not sure about Colony 3, but it works in a current Breezy)
[09:07] <hrvoje> robitaille: I did that
[09:08] <hrvoje> but I just wanted to point out Mathematica installer will fail with no apparent reason
[09:08] <hrvoje> and people will be mad like I was :-D
[09:13] <jc-denton> hi all
[09:19] <robitaille> hrvoje:  well, you could ask the ubuntu developpers to add xset to the set of default installed applications (on #ubuntu-devel or on their list), or ask Mathematica to have a better installer.
[09:23] <hrvoje> robitaille: well they have an unified installer for all linuxes and doubt they would change that for ubuntu, so asking the developers would be a better solution, right ?
[09:31] <robitaille> hrvoje:  nothing to lose to ask
[09:31] <hrvoje> robitaille: where do I ask, who is a developer? :)
[09:32] <tseng> everyone is a developer
[09:33] <robitaille> but not everyone can get xset install by default :)
[09:34] <hrvoje> exactly :)
[09:36] <robitaille> I guess you could first ask on #ubuntu-devel.  Or send an email to ubuntu-devel.  Or fill a bug report.
[09:37] <hrvoje> oh
[09:37] <hrvoje> thanks
[10:00] <ivoks> morning
[10:01] <hrvoje> e ivoks :)
[10:01] <ivoks> hi hrvoje
[10:01] <hrvoje> can't send /msg, listen ... Mathematica won't install properly on breezey because lack of xset pkg
[10:01] <hrvoje> and I can't find where to submit bugreport/hint/something
[10:02] <ivoks> ?
[10:02] <ivoks> icq
[10:02] <hrvoje> k.
[10:34] <underline> where pbuilder place the build packs??
[10:36] <underline> I've got this pack done: aboot-cross_0.9b-3_i386.deb
[10:36] <underline> what odo i d
[10:36] <underline> ??
[10:36] <underline> =[p
[10:40] <siretart> hi ogra
[10:41] <underline> siretart, What do i do with my build packs?? I'm a lot of packs listed in UniverseUnmetDeps... what do i do with them??
[10:41] <underline> i'm building a lot of packs... sorry... forgot the verb :P
[10:43] <siretart> underline: packages, which need a rebuilt must be uploaded to ubuntu with a higher version number in a package
[10:43] <ivoks> siretart: we could package skype for ubuntu, right? for multiverse?
[10:43] <siretart> underline: obviously, this must be done by someone in the universe keyring
[10:43] <siretart> ivoks: that depends
[10:44] <siretart> ivoks: does the license really say that we may redistribute skype?
[10:44] <siretart> ivoks: if yes, then talk to someone who can decide this. I think mdz could, be he is obviously quite busy these days..
[10:44] <siretart> s/be/but/
[10:45] <ivoks> even better
[10:45] <ivoks> we could do a meta package
[10:45] <ivoks> they provide ubuntu .deb
[10:45] <ivoks> :)
[10:45] <ivoks> http://skype.com/products/skype/linux/
[10:45] <siretart> hi Marce
[10:45] <Marce> hi
[10:46] <siretart> ivoks: I think the license might be okay. but better speak to someone more familiar with 'funny' licences..
[10:46] <siretart> for multiverse, that is..
[10:46] <ivoks> siretart: ok
[10:46] <ivoks> of course
[10:48] <ivoks> http://skype.com/company/legal/promote/distributionterms.html
[10:48] <ivoks> hm :)
[10:48] <ivoks> to leagal for me :)
[10:48] <ivoks> You will not distribute Skype Software through other media than CD-ROM or DVD
[10:48] <ivoks> that means: no
[10:49] <siretart> You acknowledge and agree that You are not permitted to distribute the Skype Software for any commercial gain, including but not limited to any selling of related services or attempt to charge for the Skype Software.
[10:49] <siretart> on the secound thought, canonical does not provide support for multiverse anyway..
[10:49] <ivoks> :)
[10:50] <siretart> but your point is better. we redistribute that via ftp/http..
[10:50] <ivoks> maybe simple metapackage would be enough?
[10:50] <siretart> ivoks: you mean an isntaller package perhaps?
[10:50] <ivoks> yes
[10:50] <siretart> thats not quite a metapackage, but I think that would be acceptable
[10:50] <siretart> well, I would advocate ;)
[10:51] <siretart> the thing is: it breaks as soon as the download url changes
[10:51] <ivoks> it doesn't change
[10:51] <ivoks> http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb
[10:51] <ivoks> that's url
[10:51] <siretart> ivoks: whats the problem with the deb they provide?
[10:51] <ivoks> if it changes, we have breezy-update
[10:52] <ivoks> siretart: no problem, but apt-get install is better for newbies
[10:52] <ivoks> or synaptic
[10:52] <ivoks> or we should have grapchical installer
[10:52] <ivoks> for a single package
[10:52] <siretart> in principle, yes
[10:53] <siretart> but with those braindead distribution terms, they don't deserve better, imo
[10:53] <ivoks> and it would be easy to implement
[10:53] <ivoks> it would read depends, install it, and then install package
[10:53] <ivoks> siretart: now i'm talking about installer :)
[10:54] <siretart> jepp, I do undestand you
[10:54] <ivoks> i have an idea
[10:54] <ivoks> gui installer should just copy deb to local deb-database
[10:55] <ivoks> local repository
[10:55] <ivoks> and apt-get update would make that package apear in synaptic
[10:55] <ivoks> so if user removes it, he/she will be able to install it again
[10:55] <ivoks> it would be easy to read dependency
[10:56] <ivoks> imagine this:
[10:56] <ivoks> you click on deb on some web
[10:56] <ivoks> firefox automaticly moves it to local repository
[10:56] <ivoks> notification icon apears: "New programs available"
[10:56] <ivoks> click and install program
[10:57] <ivoks> sounds good or?
[10:58] <siretart> quite difficult to implement, given the curreny state of breezy
[10:58] <ivoks> not for breezy
[10:58] <siretart> it involves fiddling with sources.list
[10:58] <ivoks> it's easy
[10:58] <siretart> ah, I thought you wanted it for breezy..
[10:58] <ivoks> it's one line
[10:59] <ivoks> it would be easy to implement!
[10:59] <ivoks> we allready have notification daemon
[11:00] <ivoks> that just needs support for "new apps", not only "apps for upgrade"
[11:03] <siretart> hm. will need to think about it..
[11:03] <siretart> gn8 folks
[11:03] <ivoks> night
[11:14] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:16] <ivoks> bye all
[11:56] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys, where do I file a bug about azureaus?
[11:57] <sistpoty> HiddenWolf: is it in universe?
[11:58] <jc-denton> package maintainer?
[11:58] <sistpoty> (sorry, can't find a package like that)
[11:58] <HiddenWolf> It should be. I get a user who has a messed up azureaus installed from kynaptic.
[11:58] <jc-denton> debian has a package for it
[11:58] <jc-denton> at leas in unstable
[11:59] <jc-denton> so it's probably in ubuntu universe
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> I can't find it tho.
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> Not that I want to find it, but it seems to have a messed up auto-update function that breaks things.


[00:13] <Goodgame> bioterror, I've posted on the topic if you're interrested
[00:15] <bioterror> are you asking do you put all the placing settings in the same file
[00:15] <bioterror> yes
[00:16] <bioterror> you put them into lubuntu-rc.xml
[00:16] <Goodgame> bioterror, a friend of mine said their is as easier way
[00:18] <Goodgame> to open the apps at the loggin he tells me to use gnome-session-properties and for the position (and the size) to use devilspie https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie bioterror
[00:19] <Goodgame> what do you think of this?
[00:20] <bioterror> pffffffffffffffffffft
[00:20] <Goodgame> ??
[00:22] <Goodgame> bioterror, ?
[00:29] <bioterror> put them all maximized :D
[00:29] <Goodgame> don't you think his way is easier?
[00:30] <bioterror> http://code.google.com/p/gdevilspie/ go ahead
[00:30] <bioterror> if that suits your needs
[00:31] <Goodgame> I don't understand
[00:32] <bioterror> st.
[00:32] <Goodgame> ??
[00:38] <bioterror> Goodgame, well, I cannot help you with that
[00:38] <bioterror> you have to try it out yourself and think if that's what you need and want
[00:38] <Goodgame> to me it does the same thing, maybe a bit easier his way no?
[00:39] <bioterror> *shrug*
[00:47] <Goodgame> ok
[00:47] <Goodgame> thanks anyway for your help bioterror
[00:53] <Goodgame> gnight
[02:23] <ubuntuman> Hey all, hoping someone can help me out. Just installed lubuntu 10.10. wondering if there is a way to save the session on shutdown (ie, open windows, apps etc) , kinda like xfce does.
[02:26] <phillw> ubuntuman: not that I know of, you may be better off asking on the mailing list.
[04:16] <wanda> How do I browse for samba network shares on lubuntu 10.10?
[04:19] <wanda> Seemed like pybrowser was in lucid, is that my best bet?
[04:25] <phillw> wanda: there was a package missed in the iso... oops :)
[04:26] <phillw> give me one minute
[04:28] <phillw> wanda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat/#Network%20File%20Browsing%20with%20PCManFM
[04:29] <wanda> Thanks, I'll look it over.
[04:31] <phillw> there is a 10.10.1 iso due out shortly, I think that they've decided to include gvfs-backends by default as it is causing support calls.
[04:31] <phillw> the os-prober  issue will also be fixed.
[04:34] <wanda> Thanks, phillw, I don't know about the os-prober issue.  I didn't realize that regular releases had point releases.
[04:35] <phillw> wanda: yeah, Julien will be making a point release as those two issues are causing support calls on here and on the forum.
[04:36] <phillw> we're not a 'regular' release, 10.10 was released as a bets, so we are allowed to 'tweak' it :P
[04:36] <phillw> */s/bets/beta
[05:13] <wanda> Thanks, folks.
[07:24] <audio> Hi all,
[07:24] <audio> I want to monitor and record the changes made when installing an application.
[07:25] <audio> Can anyone suggest how to do it?
[07:25] <audio> Install some sort of monitoring app?
[07:28] <bioterror> why?
[07:28] <bioterror> I've used linux since 1998 and I've never found need for anything like that
[07:32] <audio> I want to try and learn how part of an app works but I can't read the code, so wanted to see what it changes.
[07:33] <bioterror> :D
[07:34] <bioterror> all you get is: dpkg -L application
[07:34] <bioterror> :D:D
[07:35] <bioterror> sudo strace apt-get autoremove
[07:35] <bioterror> :D
[07:35] <audio> That looks to list the files but does it show what changes are made to existing files?
[07:35] <bioterror> hahahaha
[07:36] <bioterror> oh for real
[07:36] <bioterror> check the source code
[07:36] <bioterror> how in the eart you think you can see changes from a binary file
[07:36] <bioterror> earth
[07:36] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_file read
[07:37] <audio> If I can identify the changed files I can then compare them to unchanged versions of the same file.
[07:38] <audio> The changes are likely to be config files rather than binary
[07:39] <audio> So I am looking to identify "what changed"
[07:40] <bioterror> :D
[07:40] <audio> So I was hoping to find some sort of snapshot of before and after installation.
[07:41] <audio> Or a record of what happened during installation.
[07:41] <bioterror> :D
[07:43] <audio> Does apt-get install write a detailed log of what happens during installing a new app?
[07:45] <bioterror> if you really want to know
[07:45] <bioterror> sudo strace apt-get install whatever
[07:46] <audio> OK, I'll look into strace.
[07:47] <lithpr> hello.  I installed lubuntu 10.10, and since installing the ati drivers, when i login my resolution is always reset to 640x480.  any idea what i can do to make my resolution preference persistant?
[07:47] <bioterror> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:47] <lithpr> how linuxy.  thanks :)
[07:48] <bioterror> I installed last night fglrx drivers
[07:48] <bioterror> and no problems
[07:49] <lithpr> hmm, yeah, i'm having pretty bad luck with the 10.10 'buntus on this machine
[07:51] <lithpr> there is no setting for resolution defined in my xorg.conf
[07:51] <lithpr> i'll google around to see where/how i should define it
[07:51] <lithpr> thank you
[11:56] <dean_> Hi I am currently using Ubuntu gnome desktop which runs fine but I have installed the LXDE desktop but no wireless connection could someone help me?
[12:01] <dean_> anyone here?
[18:10] <qwm> argh. burnt 10.10 to a cd, to install on an old inspiron 8200. but it fails... and it leaves me clueless.
[19:07] <zk_> 'ello all
[19:07] <zk_> quick question
[19:07] <zk_> how do i install a new theme? :D
[19:11] <zk_> and how do i keep my 1024x768 resolution? after a reboot it goes back to 1600x1200
[19:50] <slooksterpsv> question how can I change the bottom lxde bar to have a different look cause it's a gradient white to black to white
[19:50] <slooksterpsv> nvm found it
[19:50] <slooksterpsv> it was just in the panel settings
[20:23] <bioterror> :D
[21:03] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[21:03] <kosaidpo> is there any app like pitivi i can use in windows ??
[21:03] <MichealH> Windows Movie Maker? xD
[21:03] <MichealH> I joke.
[21:04] <MichealH> There will be one around. You could do It with Flash.
[21:04] <kosaidpo> MichealH: iwanna sumthin easy to use flash needs another 3 months to take in hands first
[21:05] <kosaidpo> then  start the artistic part again
[21:05] <kosaidpo> :S
[21:08] <kosaidpo> hello there
[22:42] <gogeta> hey
[22:42] <slooksterpsv> hi
[22:43] <gogeta> lubuntu is awsome butn i dont like chrome
[22:43] <gogeta> and seem to be unable to remove it without removing the lubuntu-desktop package
[22:44] <gogeta> unfortanly chrome is a fail for gma netbooks
[22:44] <gogeta> video rendering is slow
[22:47] <slooksterpsv> ok
[22:47] <slooksterpsv> you can remove it and if it does remove lubuntu-desktop that's fine, its just a meta-package
[22:47] <slooksterpsv> so it won't remove lubuntu or that, otherwise you can leave it installed and ignore it
[22:48] <gogeta> well i knoe they whont change there defuly broswer but it shouldent be linked to there meta package so i can change it without issue
[22:48] <gogeta> 4gb netbook every byte counts
[22:48] <phillw> gogeta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop
[22:49] <gogeta> i dont whant to remove it
[22:49] <gogeta> im saying if i try to remove chrome it trys to
[22:50] <phillw> gogeta: it is completely safe to remove, please read the link I posted up.
[22:50] <gogeta> they need it not linked to that meta package
[22:50] <gogeta> so remmoving the meta will not effect updates?
[22:51] <slooksterpsv> nope
[22:51] <phillw> gogeta: it has to be for us to be able to use the --no-recomends command, which saves a pile of other stuff being installed.
[22:52] <phillw> gogeta: you only need to pop it back on when lubuntu changes from, say 10.10 to 11.04, then it can be removed again.
[22:52] <gogeta> got ya
[22:53] <gogeta> yea chrom is snappy on rendering but video rendering its alot slower then ff
[22:53] <phillw> gogeta: it's why I documented it up, it's an FAQ (Frequently Asked Question).
[22:54] <gogeta> but chrome is built for dule cores when it comes to that
[22:54] <phillw> gogeta: have you installed the lubuntu-restricted package?
[22:55] <gogeta> it has the same efect on all my older machines
[22:55] <gogeta> just how chrome is
[22:55] <slooksterpsv> well technically it's chromium, which is built for speed as far as I know
[22:55] <gogeta> spped in html rendering
[22:55] <gogeta> speed
[22:55] <gogeta> not so mutch video
[22:55] <slooksterpsv> right video eh..
[22:56] <slooksterpsv> I play divx, flash, etc. videos just fine, but then again I'm on a brand new machine, I'll have to see if I can obtain some older hardware to test out
[22:56] <gogeta> any gma atom netbook
[22:57] <gogeta> you will see the diffrence
[22:57] <gogeta> not so mutch divx
[22:57] <gogeta> being i use the mplayer plugin
[22:57] <gogeta> so not anything to do with what broswer then
[22:58] <phillw> gogeta: the only vid channel I browse is you-tube, with the html5 trial, so I'm not to sure what the others are like.
[22:58] <gogeta> its to bad the vlc plugin fails at everything lol
[22:59] <phillw> gogeta: vlc works out of the box for me?
[23:00] <gogeta> i mean forweb divx streams
[23:00] <gogeta> it will just sitb at wating for video
[23:00] <gogeta> sit
[23:00] <slooksterpsv> gogeta: if its the gma 500 poulbsa however that's spelled yeah that's the worst chipset I've seen
[23:00] <gogeta> gma 450
[23:00] <gogeta> most netbooks use it
[23:01] <gogeta> thers some tweaks you can make to make it preform
[23:01] <gogeta> like overlcoking to 300mhz
[23:01] <gogeta> 400mhz
[23:01] <gogeta> doesent hurt them any
[23:01] <slooksterpsv> that's not too bad, the 500 is horrible I actually hate myself for purchasing the netbook I got with it
[23:01] <gogeta> use gma booster
[23:01] <gogeta> and firfox or modori
[23:02] <gogeta> handels web vids on them alot nicer
[23:02] <gogeta> gma 500 serise can do 400mhz safly
[23:02] <slooksterpsv> tried, no difference lol - I did the tweeks in Ubuntu for it, the 3d effects were nice and only Ubuntu Netbook Edition would allow me to watch Hulu at full screen with medium-low skipping
[23:02] <gogeta> there just underclocked desktop gpus
[23:02] <slooksterpsv> yeah, if you want to continue this discussion further, join #lubuntu-offtopic for OT discussions
[23:03] <gogeta> booster + ff hulu medum no skips
[23:03] <gogeta> lol ok
[23:03] <slooksterpsv> really? wow the 4500 is a lot nicer