[12:20] <Burgundavia> crimsun: never mind. I was asking about UWN proofing, but it has already gone out
[12:21] <crimsun> Burgundavia: ok
[12:21] <Burgundavia> maybe next time
[12:57] <theCore> LaserJock: ping
[12:59] <LaserJock> theCore: hi
[01:00] <theCore> LaserJock: how the Packaging Guide is going?
[01:01] <LaserJock> well, I haven't really worked on it for a while
[01:01] <LaserJock> I plan on getting back on it shortly
[01:01] <LaserJock> trying to work on Feature Freeze and Universe Freeze stuff
[01:01] <theCore> LaserJock: I plan to do that too
[01:02] <theCore> oh, when the Freezes are? I was searching for dates
[01:03] <theCore> LaserJock: it is a good idea to wait for the freezes, btw
[01:03] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[01:03] <theCore> Burgundavia: thanks
[01:08] <theCore> ``Schedule as iCal'', I personally find this ironic...
[01:08] <LaserJock> why?
[01:09] <theCore> iCal is for OS X, isn't it?
[01:09] <LaserJock> well, but the iCal format can be read by many apps
[01:10] <LaserJock> and yeah, I use iCal in OS X so that's nice too ;-)
[01:10] <theCore> really? I didn't knew that
[01:10] <theCore> hehe
[01:11] <theCore> personally, I lost all the interest I had for OS X, for Ubuntu
[01:11] <trappist> I still think OS X is sexy
[01:13] <trappist> I get a little jealous when I see the mac guys dragging their windows around so smoothly.  hopefully that'll stop when xgl/aiglx stabilizes.
[01:13] <theCore> trappist: good GUI is nice, but it worth nothing if you're in closed system
[01:13] <trappist> yeah that is a bummer
[01:13] <theCore> but I don't want to pullute -doc with that...
[01:15] <LaserJock> there is a lot of open source stuff for/on OS X
[01:15] <LaserJock> it could certainly be better
[01:15] <LaserJock> but it could also be worse
[01:19] <theCore> LaserJock: and what about the file formats of their apps?
[01:19] <LaserJock> depends on the app
[01:20] <theCore> it's not what I heard, lately ...
[01:21] <LaserJock> huh?
[01:21] <LaserJock> there are many OS X apps that are opensource
[01:22] <LaserJock> and Apple even open sources some stuff
[01:22] <LaserJock> I think Apple is much closer than MS
[01:22] <Burgundavia> and many that are not
[01:22] <theCore> I meant from Apple
[01:23] <LaserJock> I'm decently optimistic for Apple although I haven't been around it much
[01:26] <LaserJock> although it is nowhere close to  most Linux distros in that regard
[01:39] <theCore> LaserJock: http://peadrop.com/mac2ubuntu.html, this might give you an overall idea of the situation I see now
[01:45] <LaserJock> theCore: some good reading
[01:45] <theCore> LaserJock: indeed
[01:49] <LaserJock> however, I get to keep OS X so I'm trying to make the best of the situation, finding lots of open source software etc.
[01:50] <LaserJock> so besides OS X itself, I pretty much us all open source software on it
[01:50] <LaserJock> which is much more than I can say for Windows
[01:51] <theCore> LaserJock: for you it isn't a problem, because you didn't had to pay the Apple tax
[01:52] <LaserJock> sure
[01:52] <theCore> LaserJock: and you can fill Windows with open-source apps
[01:52] <LaserJock> I don't find much open source for Windows
[01:52] <LaserJock> but maybe I'm not looking hard enough
[01:52] <LaserJock> anyway
[01:53] <LaserJock> way OT and I can't really get rid of OS X anyway so no sense in me grumbling about it
[01:53] <theCore> like I said before, I don't want to pollute -doc with this, it isn't useful at all
[01:54] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:55] <theCore> I better spend my time improving open-source apps, rather than waste everyone else by trashing other peoples apps
[01:55] <theCore> else time*
[01:56] <theCore> brb
[02:12] <Burgundavia> no worries
[02:31] <theCore> the funny thing is I was browsing netsplit.com when it happenned :/
[02:31] <theCore> scary
[04:17] <jsgotangco> god morning
[06:45] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:49] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[06:49] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[06:50] <Madpilot> you free Tuesday evening? How about beer & pizza & BS somewhere - your place or downtown?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: either. You want to do a fringe show as well?
[06:57] <Madpilot> is that running already?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:57] <Burgundavia> already picked out what I want to see
[07:01] <Madpilot> what's running Tuesday night, anything interesting?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[07:04] <Burgundavia> http://www.intrepidtheatre.com/shows.html?venue3 <-- rebel without a niche is showing at 9:45 on tuesday
[07:06] <Burgundavia> alternatively, at 7:45 there is "in the packaging it came in"
[07:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.intrepidtheatre.com/shows.html?venue1
[07:14] <Madpilot> I'm at work until 6 @ BH, making that early show would be difficult
[07:15] <Madpilot> the late one could be entertaining, though
[07:19] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:19] <Burgundavia> why don't you come here?
[07:19] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sure - how good evening buses from your place?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> 11 goes right outside my door
[07:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, good - see you around 6:45/7 at your place, then
[07:38] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[08:40] <mdke_> Seveas: around?
[08:40] <Seveas> yes
[08:40] <Seveas> WARNING 2006-08-28T20:40:26 Error connecting to
[08:40] <Seveas>         calvino.freenode.net:6667: User timeout caused connection
[08:40] <Seveas>         failure.
[08:41] <mdke_> Seveas: I saw the bug bot doing something cool in #launchpad, announcing new bugs, is it possible to set that up here too, for distros/ubuntu/+source/(k)ubuntu-docs and products/ubuntu-doc ?
[08:41] <Seveas> yes
[08:41] <mdke_> that would be awesome, do you need me to do anything more?
[08:41] <Seveas> who gets bugmail for those products? docteam?
[08:42] <mdke_> Seveas: people/ubuntu-doc, I'm fairly sure
[08:43] <Seveas> ok, then I'll create a 3rd account for ubugtu
[08:43] <mdke_> thanks!
[08:43] <nixternal_> ooh, nice one mdke!
[08:53] <Seveas> mdke, please accept ubugutu-docbugs as member of people/ubuntu-doc
[08:59] <jjesse> nixternal_: can you resend that diff of the guide you sent me ?
[08:59] <nixternal_> heh
[08:59] <nixternal_> sure thing
[08:59] <jjesse> grin thanks
[08:59] <jjesse> it got lost in my spam filter for some #%%#%# reason
[09:00] <nixternal_> sent
[09:01] <Seveas> mdke, ?
[09:14] <mdke> Seveas: sure, sorry was away
[09:15] <mdke> Seveas: done
[09:15] <Seveas> ok, then let's put him to work
[09:16] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter /home/dennis/ubugtu/data/bugmail-doc
[09:16] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter /home/dennis/ubugtu/data/bugmail-doc
[09:16] <Seveas> ok, that should've done it
[09:17] <mdke> I'll file a bug
[09:19] <mdke> o.o
[09:19] <mdke> oh, there is a delay in email
[09:19] <Seveas> it takes some time
[09:19] <Seveas> 5 minute launchpad delay
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58027 in ubuntu-doc "Ubuntu documentation is too good, and the docteam are too cool" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58027
[09:25] <mdke> yay
[09:25] <mdke> thanks Seveas
[09:25] <jjesse> confirm that bug :)
[09:38] <nixternal> haha, i just noticed the email for that bug...i was like mdke got a hold of some toxic fumes and logged onto the LP..then i realized, ahhh he is testing the bot ;)
[09:39] <nixternal> i can confirm that bug btw, but just to let you know, it would be impossible to patch jjesse right now, so send it upstream
[09:39] <nixternal> ;)
[10:04] <jjesse> ;)
[10:05] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:15] <nixternal> jjesse: i sent you a new patch...it validates here fine..and it is to kubuntu/switching/C/intro.xml
[10:16] <nixternal> don't know why you would have had issues with the last one though...also this patch is just to show you really what i have done with the intro.xml and the idea i have with it..it still needs a lot of work and i am continuing to do more to it here today as well
[10:25] <jjesse> cool
[10:33] <nixternal> did that work for you?
[10:33] <jjesse> yes it did
[10:33] <jjesse> sorry slow at work
[10:33] <nixternal> hehe
[10:34] <jjesse> dang only got a couple of weeks left to doc string freeze
[10:34] <jjesse> gotta get working :(
[10:34] <LaserJock> when is it?
[10:34] <mdke> yes
[10:34] <nixternal> thats fine...i really created the patch jsut so you can see the idea behind the intro..there was talk the other night about creating a generic introl that contains all of the history and support stuff...so, don't know when that will happen though
[10:34] <jjesse> sept. 14th
[10:34] <LaserJock> what?
[10:34] <nixternal> heh
[10:34] <LaserJock> darn it
[10:34] <nixternal> go go go
[10:34] <LaserJock> I thought it was *after* Univerrse Freeze
[10:35] <LaserJock> grrrr
[10:35] <jjesse> just found out they want to do an edgy version of the book as well
[10:35] <nixternal> jjesse: please tell me that the SFW doesn't have to be done by the freeze
[10:35] <jjesse> gotta get cracking on that as well :(
[10:35] <jjesse> nixternal: i would love it to be, but i think it will be in edgy +1 the way things are going :(
[10:35] <nixternal> whew, ya, because we need to finish up on some of the current kubuntu docs for edgy
[10:35] <jjesse> destkop guide and release notes
[10:36] <nixternal> i have started the "release notes",
[10:36] <jjesse> i noticed
[10:36] <nixternal> so i can continue on that if everythign is ok
[10:36] <jjesse> need to update adept guide and fianlly get that published to kde's svn
[10:36] <mdke> yeah, I don't think SFW is going to make it for Edgy
[10:36] <nixternal> desktop guide, last i heard robotgeek was trying to split up some work with me, and i haven't heard from him since
[10:36] <jjesse> mdke: agreed unforntaly
[10:38] <nixternal> is there a way to apply or force the apply of a patch that was created in an older revision?
[10:41] <mdke> nixternal: no idea
[10:41] <nixternal> i cheated..i replaced the (revision ####) with the new revision in the patch..and it worked ;)
[10:43] <nixternal> jjesse: what are we to do about the desktop guide?  i don't want to step on robotgeek's toes, however we need to get going on it, with the freeze 2 weeks away pretty much
[10:44] <LaserJock> mdke: really :/
[10:44] <Burgwork> doc freeze is two weeks away?
[10:44] <Burgwork> ugh
[10:45] <nixternal> sept. 14th
[10:45] <nixternal> 16 days
[10:45] <mdke> LaserJock: really which?
[10:45] <nixternal> or less depending on where in the world you are
[10:45] <LaserJock> mdke: wrt, linux-basics being out of place
[10:47] <mdke> LaserJock: yeah, it feels really bad in the new-look desktop guide
[10:56] <mhz> mdke: hi there
[10:56] <mhz> i am not sure if i asked you this before but...when could we have a newer moin system instead of 1.3.5?
[10:58] <mdke> mhz: the webmaster is working on it (and yes, of course you've asked me before :)
[10:59] <mdke> LaserJock: ah, moving the chapter earlier makes it look better. If you have any feedback on the layout of the new DG, i'd appreciate it (just committed)
[10:59] <mhz> mdke: hehe, sorry, but any ideas about 'when' we could have that?
[11:00] <mhz> mdke: also, is there any procedure to ask for Macro and/or Plugin installations?
[11:00] <mdke> mhz: nope
[11:00] <mdke> mhz: yes, file a bug on ubuntu-website
[11:00] <mhz> oh, i see
[11:00] <mhz> thx, as usual
[11:01] <mdke> np, 1.5 is overdue already
[11:09] <mhz> yeah, 1.6 will rule
[11:10] <mhz> esp. with syncing pages and email support


[00:08] <metbsd> Betal, you only need one EFI on one pc
[00:09] <Betal> metbsd: yes, but I want to move the efi to diskB, so I want to ensure it boots from diskB before deleting efi from diskA
[00:11] <Betal> metbsd: iam sure 2 efi (1 in each disk) should work even if we only need 1 in total
[00:11] <metbsd> then you just delete the one you dont want
[00:11] <metbsd> you can check grub wiki on archlinux
[00:11] <Betal> then I can't boot without a live usb
[00:12] <metbsd> you have EFI partition
[00:12] <Betal> one efi don't interfer the other, why would it?
[00:12] <metbsd> and it has grub installed as you said
[00:12] <Betal> yes, both efis have grub installed
[00:13] <metbsd> then it's safe to delete one of them, just use one of them
[00:13] <metbsd> if it doesn't boot, reinstall grub with proper mount
[00:13] <Betal> metbsd: after the diskB efi works, because it don't works or iam missing something in grub-install
[00:13] <metbsd> but when it boots, how do you know it's EFI from A or B?
[00:14] <metbsd> as far as i know, it doesn't tell
[00:14] <Betal> the motherboard menu say from where you are booting
[00:14] <metbsd> i have never tried two EFI partition before
[00:14] <metbsd> how old is your motherboard
[00:14] <Betal> you can select in motherboard from where you are booting, thats why you tell an ID for the bootloader
[00:15] <Betal> the --bootloader-id=GRUB
[00:15] <metbsd> ok, but my motherboard boot menu just tell me the efi name
[00:16] <metbsd> ok i haven't tried two EFI partitions before, but as far as i know, the bios will goes into EFI partitions and read all available boots
[00:16] <Betal> efibootmgr show all entries and bootorder, samething that motherboard show
[00:17] <metbsd> yes efibootmgr do scan efi partition
[00:18] <metbsd> but motherboard, i'm not sure, lets say if you insert another usb or something, boot menu of motherboard will detect it
[00:19] <Betal> yes, it will list everyone who have an esp partition
[00:20] <metbsd> what other os do you need to boot?
[00:20] <metbsd> any windows?
[00:20] <Betal> only ubuntu matter right now, just use grub to have more options, fallback and things like that
[00:21] <Betal> I find weird that manually typing inside the grub shell from diskB I can boot, but it using the same config as diskA can't
[00:21] <Betal> given ubuntu is inside lvm, it is (lvm...), so it should be the same config for both grubsd
[00:22] <Betal> s/grubsd/grub's
[00:22] <Betal> or Iam missing something obvious there
[00:25] <johnfg> I've been working on cpanel and slack remotely, so haven't been watching here.
[00:25] <johnfg> I did *not* submit a bug report, as it won't work from here.  At present, no other computer available.
[00:26] <johnfg> Anyone come up with a solution for the problem with firefox?
[00:33] <Betal> metbsd: no windows/other os, do this change something?
[00:40] <redbeard83> tomreyn: me again, espace doesn't work in the grub screen
[00:55] <redbeard83> so, I installed ubuntu and I'm stuck at a grub screen. nothing happens after that, no command, works. I have tried a lot of different solutions
[00:55] <tomreyn> redbeard83: try holding down shift then
[00:55] <tomreyn> during boot
[00:56] <tomreyn> do you know wether it's supposedly uefi or bios booting?
[00:56] <redbeard83> it's uefi
[00:57] <tomreyn> hmm then it should be escape. maybe you didnt hit the right time
[00:57] <redbeard83> I was hitting it like crazy, lol
[00:58] <tomreyn> redbeard83: when you say "espace doesn't work in the grub screen", then what do you see on screen?
[00:58] <redbeard83> just "grub" and a blinking "_"
[00:58] <tomreyn> then maybe you hit escpae too often
[00:58] <tomreyn> you need to press it once, or once a second, until it takes effect, only.
[00:59] <redbeard83> I'm using a live usb, it is possible to change grub from here?
[01:00] <tomreyn> a live usb? you said you installed ubuntu?
[01:00] <redbeard83> yes, I installed it, but I never pass this grub screen
[01:00] <tomreyn> type "normal" next time you hit it
[01:00] <redbeard83> so I had to use the live usb to come here, lol
[01:01] <tomreyn> oh i see. i suggest you use a second computer or mobile phone to cconnect there then
[01:01] <golden_ticket> I have a SDR but when I try to run URH I cannot connect to it. I instead get an error. Is this the best place to try and resolve the issue?
[01:01] <golden_ticket> The error is, "Failed to start rx mode"
[01:02] <tomreyn> golden_ticket: is URH a software provided by ubuntu, and are you running wsome ubuntu release (which)?
[01:03] <golden_ticket> tomreyn, yes it is. It's universal radio hacker (the name) and the ubuntu version is 18.04
[01:04] <tomreyn> golden_ticket: what's the package name?
[01:04] <golden_ticket> tomreyn, it just says universal radio hacker in the software center
[01:04] <golden_ticket> idk
[01:05] <tomreyn> oh it's probably a snap then
[01:05] <golden_ticket> it is
[01:05] <tomreyn> did you do what it says here? https://snapcraft.io/urh
[01:06] <redbeard83> tomreyn: escape isn't working, nor typing normal
[01:06] <tomreyn> redbeard83: hmm, okay, what's this hardware?
[01:06] <golden_ticket> tomreyn, yes i did. I ran the command, "sudo snap connect urh:raw-usb"
[01:06] <redbeard83> i5, nvidia gtx1650, 8gb ram
[01:07] <redbeard83> I had opensuse on this machine, I tried to install ubuntu and it's not working
[01:07] <tomreyn> redbeard83: ah, sorry, i had asked before. so opensuse worked for you?
[01:08] <redbeard83> before yes
[01:08] <redbeard83> now I tried to reinstall it and it had another grub problem
[01:08] <tomreyn> redbeard83: ubuntu, or opensuse?
[01:08] <redbeard83> opensuse
[01:08] <tomreyn> what was the grub problem you saw there?
[01:09] <redbeard83> I don't remember
[01:10] <redbeard83> could the graphic card have anything to do with it? I was using opensuse with gtx750 ti, I changed to the gtx 1650 and everything was working. But, after the installation nothings worked anymore, lol
[01:10] <tomreyn> redbeard83: it could be a power supply problem
[01:11] <johnfg> Bug 1917191
[01:11] <tomreyn> foxfire? :)
[01:11] <redbeard83> so, should I replace the 1650 for 750ti?
[01:12] <golden_ticket> tomreyn, any idea?
[01:12] <tomreyn> redbeard83: if things were working fine with the gtx750 ti for a while, and you still have that available, then i'd use that to see whether it makes it boot properly
[01:13] <tomreyn> redbeard83: but this rather sounds like a hardware / firmware issue so far. or a broken installation. if you get stuck on the grub prompt, then the linux kernel and any drivers have not been loaded.
[01:14] <tomreyn> so either something is broken with grub, or with the efi system partition grub is stored on, or some hardware or the 'bios configuration' is malfunctioning.
[01:14] <redbeard83> I did like 6 instalations today, lol
[01:15] <tomreyn> golden_ticket: no, i'm out of ideas there, do not know the software. RX refers to receiving data, but i assume you know so much.
[01:16] <tomreyn> redbeard83: of ubuntu 20.10? all with this very result?
[01:16] <redbeard83> 2 popos, 3 ubuntu and one opensuse
[01:16] <tomreyn> golden_ticket: see the support options available on the developer website.
[01:16] <redbeard83> both pop and ubuntu had the same problem
[01:17] <tomreyn> redbeard83: it's good that you're telling this now.
[01:17] <golden_ticket> tomreyn, thanks
[01:17] <johnfg> apport-collect 1917191 did not work, as it needs a browser too.
[01:17] <johnfg> tomreyn: anything else to do?
[01:20] <redbeard83> tomreyn:(
[01:21] <tomreyn> johnfg: try running it as     BROWSER=chromium-browser apport-collect 1917191     or whichever web browser you prefer
[01:23] <tomreyn> redbeard83: try installing to different storage media
[01:23] <tomreyn> redbeard83: maybe oyu have a spare ssd, hard disk, or removable storage?
[01:23] <tomreyn> redbeard83: it could also be another usb stick
[01:24] <redbeard83> I will look for another one
[01:25] <tomreyn> redbeard83: and in case you changed bios settings recently (before things stoped working), try resetting it to ("optimized") manufacturer defaults
[01:27] <tomreyn> redbeard83: you can also run a memory test (memtest86.com provides one which is uefi bootable and free for personal use), and, on some systems, firmware supported hardware diagnostics
[01:28] <tomreyn> disabling the "secure boot" bios configuration can sometimes help
[01:29] <tomreyn> johnfg: any luck with this?
[01:33] <tomreyn> johnfg: are there recent files in this directory?     ls -lah ~/.mozilla/firefox/Crash\ Reports/pending/
[01:34] <redbeard83> tomreyn: I reste the bios already. I tried one last time to boot and 3 rectangles appeared: one green with an "!", one red and another one pinnk
[01:35] <tomreyn> johnfg: if so, run    export MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DISABLE=1; /usr/lib/firefox     this may enable the ubuntu crash reporter to capture the crash
[01:37] <tomreyn> redbeard83: this is probably hardware specific. do you know which mainboard you have there? it may say on the very first hardware initialization screen when you reboot
[01:38] <redbeard83> it's a gigabyte
[01:38] <tomreyn> that's... a brand ;)
[01:39] <tomreyn> their models are usually called GA-something i think
[01:39] <redbeard83> it's h110m-h
[01:41] <tomreyn> redbeard83: maybe a cmos reset would help there. but that's all in the hardware domain, try asking the folks in ##hardware for further suggestions (they will know better), or gigabyte support.
[01:45] <johnfg> tomreyn: yes, there are files in that directory.
[01:45] <johnfg> I'll run the export cmd.
[01:45] <tomreyn> johnfg: but are there *recent* files there?
[01:45] <amazoniantoad> Hey I'm trying to run an application via X11 on ssh. However when I try to run a particular application I get an error, cannot open display: localhost:10.0. Typically I'm able to run any graphical application
[01:46] <amazoniantoad> can anyone help me resolve this issue?
[01:46] <johnfg> Yes.  How did you want me to run the export cmd?  export MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DISABLE=1; /usr/lib/firefox doesn't work.
[01:46] <tomreyn> johnfg: "doesn't work" as in?
[01:47] <johnfg> It returns, running it as you entered: bash: /usr/lib/firefox: Is a directory
[01:48] <tomreyn> johnfg: oh, my bad, make it     export MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DISABLE=1; /usr/bin/firefox     please
[01:49] <tomreyn> johnfg: but for now, if you can try to do the apport-collect instead, this may be more useful
[01:49] <johnfg> Segmentation fault (core dumped) was the result.
[01:50] <tomreyn> does this exit?    ls -l core*
[01:50] <tomreyn> *exiSt
[01:56] <tomreyn> johnfg: apparently ubuntu is configured (out of the box, as per /etc/apport/blacklist.d/firefox ) not to create crash reports for firefox. so this is not really fruitful. i suggest you focus on reporting the bug with apport-collect instead.
 johnfg: try running it as     BROWSER=chromium-browser apport-collect 1917191     or whichever web browser you prefer
[01:57] <tomreyn> and i'm off to bed.
[02:05] <redbeard83> tomreyn: it seems to be a hardware problem indeed, I tried to boot from another hd with opensuse and it has a grub issue now
[02:30] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: what kind of host are you running ssh from?
[02:37] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, ubuntu remote with ubuntu server
[02:41] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: x11 or wayland?
[02:42] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, x11
[02:43] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: ssh -X?
[02:43] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, yes
[02:44] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: what does 'xhost' return on the client?
[02:44] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, not the server, right? the client
[02:44] <amazoniantoad> SI:localuser:jonny
[02:47] <ducasse> this all looks good, not sure what is going on tbh
[02:48] <ducasse> have you tried another x11 application, like just a terminal?
[02:49] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, i am using just a terminal. I can give you more information if you would like
[02:49] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, https://pastebin.com/DWanHF2S
[02:50] <ducasse> you're not ssh'ing from a graphical environment?
[02:51] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, I am. but I'm using terminal in the graphical environment
[02:52] <ducasse> right, try running one from the server, like xterm
[02:53] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, tried with xterm yet i get the same error
[02:54] <ducasse> try 'xhost +' on the client
[02:55] <amazoniantoad> https://pastebin.com/DWanHF2S
[02:55] <amazoniantoad> crap
[02:55] <amazoniantoad> wrong paste
[02:55] <amazoniantoad> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
[02:55] <amazoniantoad> that's what I get when running xhost + on client
[02:56] <ducasse> now try running your application
[02:57] <amazoniantoad> didn't work :/
[02:57] <ducasse> hmmm, then i'm running out of ideas
[02:57] <ducasse> sorry
[02:58] <amazoniantoad> it's okay :<
[03:00] <jayjo> is there a way to customize where an app opens its first window? Some of the default to the (0,0) position on a two monitor setup. Can I change that?
[03:03] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: you can run x apps from the terminal locally, right?
[03:03] <amazoniantoad> yes
[03:03] <amazoniantoad> just not this particular app
[03:04] <ducasse> it's weird, it looks like a permission issue, but xhost + should resolve that
[03:04] <ducasse> does 'echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE' returb 'x11'?
[03:05] <ducasse> on the client
[03:48] <amazoniantoad> I have another issue, this time with pulseaudio. It will not start and so an application that depends on it will not start
[03:49] <amazoniantoad> when I run pulseaudio --start I get "refusing to start/autospawn"
[03:49] <amazoniantoad> can anyone help me figure out what is going on? I have already tried purging the application and reinstalling
[04:04] <amazoniantoad> Anyone here know anything about pulseaudio? D:
[04:39] <johnfg> I'm installing chromium-browser now.
[04:44] <johnfg> Ok, that's all done.  Now just sit back and wait, eh?
[05:20] <dpward> Hi, does someone have permissions to nominate LP: #1860826 for the Focal series? I added comments to this bug a week and a half ago asking for that but no response.
[06:03] <Qen-Joana> Hello chan, is it alright if I ask for help with Pop!_OS here? Not systemd related. ;)
[06:08] <Ben64> Qen-Joana: nope, there's always ##linux
[06:47] <random_programme> Hi, how can I uninstall a linux kernel in ubuntu installed from https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/?
[07:07] <Swift110-mobile> Sup
[07:32] <blahboybaz> Does 20.04 desktop also have touchscreen capability?
[07:32] <blahboybaz> Can it work on a 2 in1 laptop and give both touchscreen as well as regular operation?
[07:59] <blahboybaz> Any known issues with Intel Wi-Fi 6 2x2 (Gig+) and Bluetooth or with NVIDIA GeForce MX350 ?
[08:01] <ThinkT510> blahboybaz: you can search through launchpad to see if there are any bugs reported
[08:03] <blahboybaz> ThinkT510: I'm checking that now. I just wanted to put the feelers out here and see if anyone experienced it. I'm looking at a dell inspiron 7000 2 in 1 and wondering if there are any compatibility issues (if anyone has the machine or experienced it)
[08:04] <ThinkT510> I have no idea how well touchscreens work, I've never wanted such on a laptop
[08:13] <ducasse> blahboybaz: there is touchscreen support, but i've not tried it. also i'm not sure all desktops support it
[08:32] <Swift110-mobile> Thinkpad are awesone
[08:32] <blahboybaz> ducasse: thanks for mentioning it. I was looking on the internet for it too
[08:33] <andystar> I have a usb with a boot image ready with persistent memory.  Will that automatically log my boot sequence?
[08:33] <blahboybaz> Swift110-mobile: I like thinkpads but when I started comparing them it looks like expensive for the value (they charge a lot)
[08:34] <blahboybaz> and some little things seem to constitute an upgrade that you would expect to just be included - iike ssd card
[08:34] <blahboybaz> card reader I mean
[08:39] <CapnKernel> Hello.  I'm trying to install roundcube (webmail server) on an Ubuntu 20.10 server.  I want this server to have nginx but not Apache, but when I run "apt install roundcube", it installs Apache.  Is it possible to install roundcube from a package without installing Apache?
[08:40] <Swift110-mobile> blahboybaz: which is why I get them when they are at least five years old
[08:40] <Swift110-mobile> You get them for a much lower price as a result
[08:41] <CapnKernel> Install log: https://paste.centos.org/view/e4001b28
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> CapnKernel: apt is smart, when it wants to install depends let it be
[08:43] <ducasse> CapnKernel: try installing nginx first, then install roundcube with --no-install-recommends, but i don't know if it'll work
[08:43] <CapnKernel> Thanks ducasse, I'll try that
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> blahboybaz: you could also try unity-desktop ontop ubuntu desktop, they got some proper touch support
[08:58] <andystar> I just tried booting into a live usb with persistent memory.
[08:59] <andystar> There was an error, but the log is on a squashfs file and I don't know how to read it.
[09:00] <andystar> It would be nice to just see the messages during boot up to see what is going on.
[09:01] <andystar> I tried removing the quiet splash boot parameter so I could see messages, but I can only see the last page.
[09:02] <andystar> The error I get is AHCI controller unavailable.
[09:02] <andystar> I am not sure if that is the first error, or just what gets the system to stop booting.
[09:06] <ducasse> andystar: maybe your hd controller is set to raid mode, try switching
[09:09] <kelptaken> Hi there!
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> welcome kelptaken
[09:09] <kelptaken> Howly crap, this is my first ever IRC message delivered
[09:10] <kelptaken> When will Ubuntu support GNOME 40 after it's released?
[09:12] <andystar> It is not in raid.
[09:12] <andystar> I think the hard drive is in AHCI.
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | kelp
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> oh hes gone
[09:15] <andystar> I got to see the end messages after turning off quiet splash.
[09:15] <Furai> Is it possible at all to do add i386 foreign architecture on live usb with persistent memory?
[09:16] <andystar> It looked like it was going through trying to initialize the usb drive, after initializing other usb devices.
[09:46] <unixbsd_> openmw works very fine, except the fullcsreen that does not work.
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> file a new !bug unixbsd_
[10:31] <Angs> what's the reason that Ubuntu stores old kernel image files? and why does it not delete the old ones automatically?
[10:37] <oerheks> Angs, it does, with the next update.
[10:37] <oerheks> and one wants the previous kernel to stay, for recovery purpose
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> Angs: you can also clean your system yourself with apt autoremove, bleachbit & stacer
[10:48] <Angs> my VM has 5.8.0-43 atm, but it has images from 5.4 https://pastebin.com/ujNnf2dT
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[10:49] <Angs> I was wondering if there is any specific purpose why those are stored
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah that list looks a bit too long to me
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> Angs: whats your cycle story exactly, did you jump to HWE yourself?
[10:52] <Angs> I don't exactly remember, but as I remember, I created this VM from 20.04's image
[10:53] <oerheks> 5.4 from install, 5.8 from the HWE kernel
[10:53] <oerheks> = also fallback
[10:53] <Angs> I've just executed "apt autoremove", it removed some of the kernel headers, but most of them are still there https://pastebin.com/9dKu71FB (this is after apt autoremove)
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> Angs: if your'e sure your current kernel works great, try bleachbit and see what you can purge there
[11:03] <Angs> thanks
[11:04] <Angs> my main intention was to understand why there are old kernel images, and if I understood it correctly, old ones are there for recovery purpose. I guess something is wrong with my VM that it stores too many old images
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> Angs: normaly its current kernel + 3 last older kernels as backup
[11:05] <Angs> thanks
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> not sure why your system mixes 5.4 + hwe togheter
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> we often see long kernel lists, when the users starts testing other kernels out from !mainline
[11:09] <Angs> thanks. I will use bleachbit to open more space, thanks for the suggestion
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> welcome Angs
[11:27] <faLUKE> hello. Is there a specific reason for which there are not matrix chat clients in the official/extra ubuntu repos?
[11:47] <faLUKE> which _packaged_ irc client with matrix bridge can I use on ubuntu?
[12:00] <ThinkT510> faLUKE: element-desktop is available as a snap for ubuntu. as regards an irc client with matrix support there is weechat-matrix (not sure if that is in the repos or a snap)
[12:02] <faLUKE> ThinkT510: thanks, let's see
[12:04] <faLUKE> hello
[12:07] <ThinkT510> faLUKE: nheko seems to be in the repos, if you want a native matrix client
[12:09] <ThinkT510> also spectral and quaternion
[12:51] <Owly> wow
[12:54] <Owly> whats the best irc client for terminal
[12:55] <Owly> ???
[12:56] <Owly> can only use 1 weechat via ubuntu terminal
[12:56] <Owly> really annoying
[12:56] <Owly> nervmind
[12:56] <Owly> :D
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:20] <aebraham> Happy Sunday, all
[13:27] <loganrun> is there a howto or something for setting up nfs4 with krb5? no luck getting it to run so far
[13:28] <Intelo> I installed dwm with apt but sometimes the ALT key stops working. Now almost all functions of dwm depend on this key. It turns our it gets unusable in the middle of my work and I have to reboot. How can I find out what goes wrong?
[15:17] <Intelo> How can I change my resolution by commandline to 1280x800. Just by typing a command? Right away. Regardless of what desktop environment I use?
[15:17] <Intelo> though I use dwm on ubuntu
[15:34] <ducasse> Intelo: you can't, though if you set up multiple resolutions you used to be able to switch with ctrl+alt+plus/minus
[15:34] <ducasse> dunno if that still works, it was ages ago
[15:40] <EddyKid> Hiya
[15:41] <EddyKid> I don't know if this is the right channel for this - I want to talk about some... Uhh, development considerations, both development and business.
[15:41] <EddyKid> If this isn't the place the obvious question is "where" in a way that is a 2 way conversation not just blind submission
[15:42] <EddyKid> "Thank you for your feedback, it went to noreply@ but irrelevant, THANK YOU!"
[15:42] <EddyKid> :P
[15:42] <BluesKaj> EddyKid, try #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-discuss chat
[15:43] <MonkeyDust> Intelo  try xrandr
[15:43] <EddyKid> tyvm BluesKaj
[15:43] <BluesKaj> np
[15:55] <Intelo> MonkeyDust: ducasse thanks, i did. I wonder why dwm is so buggy if installed via apt get?
[16:01] <ducasse> Intelo: not sure, have you looked if the devs provide a repo?
[16:22] <blb4393> hi, where do i get ia32-libs for 20.04?
[16:27] <EddyKid> did you google that
[16:27] <EddyKid> I googled your entire line:
[16:27] <EddyKid> 12:22 AM <blb4393> hi, where do i get ia32-libs for 20.04?
[16:27] <EddyKid> (including timestamp)
[16:28] <EddyKid> https://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[16:28] <EddyKid> first listing
[16:32] <blb4393> yeah, i don't know what package needs to be installed
[16:32] <blb4393> so i need to check metapackage deps
[16:33] <blb4393> and first find it somewhere
[16:45] <Intelo> ducasse: what do you mean?
[16:51] <oerheks> why change resolution by comandline..
[17:05] <EddyKid> cause linux.
[17:34] <fwef64> Hi, I'm having a problem with the 'Files' application. It sometimes takes way too long to open, e.g. like 2 minutes. Sometimes it's instantaneous. Any idea why this might be happening? I'm running 20.10.
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> fwef64: did you try running it from terminal to compare?
[17:36] <richardonnay> fwef64: Perhaps could it be looking for an expected bookmark to a mounted drive thats unmounted/cant find?
[17:36] <fwef64> lotuspsychje: I don't know how :(
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> fwef64: type nautilus from a terminal
[17:37] <fwef64> richardonnay: this is a new installation, I don't have it longer than a week, also I didn't bookmark anything, barely even open it.
[17:37] <fwef64> lotuspsychje: same thing, it's taking forever to open
[17:38] <oerheks> fwef64, depends on other tasks, memory installed, too much uncertain
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> fwef64: can you: journalctl -f and pastebin us the output please after you running nautilus?
[17:38] <oerheks> SSD or traditional hdd, what ubuntu version..
[17:40] <fwef64> oerheks: CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz × 8, Memory: 31.1 GiB, Disk: 256.1 GB SSD, Ubuntu version: 20.10
[17:43] <fwef64> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/jKUrZfbu, also this time the nautilus running in terminal also printed out this message: https://pastebin.com/jD8P5ZEM
[17:44] <oerheks> ... nautilus running in terminal .. why??
[17:45] <richardonnay> fwef64: its a samba issue
[17:45] <fwef64> oerheks: because lotuspsychje asked me to do that
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> debug
[17:45] <richardonnay> fwef64: its trying to get info on a samba/windows share
[17:46] <richardonnay> that it cant find
[17:46] <fwef64> is there any way to disable that?
[17:47] <richardonnay> fwef64: is nautilus-share isntalled?
[17:48] <fwef64> yup, 0.7.3-2ubuntu3
[17:49] <richardonnay> fwef64: uninstall if you dont intend to use windows shares, it wont break anything
[17:51] <fwef64> richardonnay: I did that, but it still takes way too long to open, do I need to reboot?
[17:51] <richardonnay> fwef64: most likely
[17:53] <fwef64> richardonnay: ok, after the reboot it seems that the issue is fixed. thank you all for your help!
[17:54] <richardonnay> fwef64: no prob! i wish i had a real fix for you, uninstalling your problems always feels dirty
[17:56] <fwef64> richardonnay: this is fine for now, I'm only afraid that it's gonna happen again in the future and I'll forget all about how to fix it.
[17:57] <oerheks> check the hdd with the sambashare for errors?
[18:09] <all-night> Why is the font so small on the Official Ubuntu documentation?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | all-night
[18:10] <all-night> thanks lotuspsychje, will do that
[18:25] <oerheks> all-night, let me guess; you have a pretty 4K monitor?
[18:31] <all-night> oerheks, no no, just very peculiar when it comes to fonts
[18:45] <jakobbg> Hi! Does an alternative to Samba exist when it comes to CIFS shares? I'd like something with a more modern and simpler codebase. Samba probably contains 95% functionality which I never will use.
[18:58] <kk4ewt> jakobbg, https://www.topbestalternatives.com/samba/
[19:46] <EddyKid> !discuss | democracy
[19:46] <EddyKid> Hahaaa
[19:58] <Croran> gnome-system-monitor reports different numbers for 'free' vs 'available' space on my disks.
[19:58] <Croran> what's the difference between free and available?
[20:49] <samdragon> I got a new Acer laptop and i've tried both ubuntu 20.04 (which I had to switch from because a wifi driver bug) and now 18.04, and every time I do a system update with apt update, the BIOS SATA mode gets reset and make my laptop fail to boot. I need to get into boot, remember some obscure key stroke to get the advanced SATA mode setting to show up, and switch it to AHCI for it to boot again. It's really annoying but I havent had
[20:49] <samdragon> any luck googling for solutions
[20:49] <samdragon> I need to get into the BIOS*
[20:50] <Croran> samdragon: The BIOS settings change when you update the OS?
[20:50] <Croran> samdragon: The only way I've seen that happen is in a system that is failing to boot and then loading BIOS defaults.
[20:51] <samdragon> yea, maybe not every time I run `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` but often, it seems correlated to when there's a new minor kernel update
[20:51] <Croran> samdragon: usually accompanied by a message. with asus it was 'overclocking failed press f1 to load defaults or f2 to enter setup'
[20:51] <Croran> samdragon: whether overclocking was involved or not.
[20:52] <Croran> samdragon: what model acer?
[20:52] <samdragon> havent seen that error message. it seems like the BIOS defaults (whatever are getting reset to) are causing the failure to boot
[20:52] <samdragon> the message is something like "cant find drive <insert the UUID to the drive that's listed in the BIOS and fstab>"
[20:53] <samdragon> the drive is NVME or whatever, which I believe is different than SATA
[20:54] <Croran> samdragon: what model?
[20:54] <samdragon> Swift 5
[20:56] <Croran> samdragon: swift 5 launched 2016... I'm assuming yours is a newer generation?
[20:56] <Croran> samdragon: 7000-series Intel CPU?
[20:56] <samdragon> yea, the model number from uname -a is Swift-SF514-54T
[20:56] <samdragon> how do I check the CPU device info
[20:57] <Croran> model number is enough. you can `cat /proc/cpuinfo` if you want though
[20:57] <Croran> looks like 10000 series intel
[20:58] <samdragon> i7-1065G7
[20:58] <Croran> yeah it can suck being the tester for linux compatibility with cutting edge hardware - especially laptops.
[20:58] <Croran> with more proprietary firmware/parts
[20:59] <Croran> did you upgrade to HWE kernel?
[21:00] <Croran> HWE edge?
[21:00] <Croran> might help, if you haven't already.
[21:00] <samdragon> i dont think so, let me check
[21:00] <Croran> worth a shot. leave your old kernel installed too so you can easily switch back if it doesn't work right.
[21:03] <samdragon> it says it was already the newest version, "now set to manually installed"
[21:04] <Croran> samdragon: so you've got linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge?
[21:05] <samdragon> I ran this, from the LTS enablement stack page: `sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04`
[21:05] <samdragon> not sure how to check for the -edge package
[21:06] <Croran> samdragon: edge MIGHT be same version as hwe, but check by running `sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge`
[21:06] <guaj0> hello how can i update the libgcrypt 1.9 library ?
[21:06] <Croran> guaj0: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[21:07] <guaj0> 18.04 and 20.04
[21:07] <samdragon> @Croran looks like that was not installed yet
[21:07] <guaj0> principal 18
[21:07] <Croran> samdragon: so it gave you a new version, or just installed the metapackage?
[21:08] <samdragon> hmm, i dont know the differene
[21:08] <Croran> guaj0: 18.04 or 18.10?
[21:08] <jeremy31> The edge kernel should be the same as the hwe
[21:08] <Croran> samdragon: something in the apt messages would have mentioned a kernel package being installed beyond just the linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge metapackage
[21:08] <guaj0> @Croran 18.04
[21:09] <samdragon> Setting up linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge (<IP_ADDRESS>.74~18.04.61)
[21:09] <Croran> guaj0: so you're trying to install libgcrypt20 version 1.9?
[21:09] <Croran> samdragon: sounds like you got a new kernel
[21:10] <samdragon> yea I dont think it was a new kernel
[21:10] <jeremy31> The 5.4 kernels are the newest that 18.04 can get through normal means
[21:11] <Croran> samdragon: oh? what does uname -a say?
[21:11] <Croran> guaj0: looks like the ubuntu repos only have libgcrypt20 packages up to 1.8.7 even if you went with the 21.04 pre-release packages (which might not even work with 18.04).
[21:12] <Croran> guaj0: so you'd need to compile it from source or find another source of packages
[21:12] <Croran> guaj0: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgcrypt20&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[21:12] <guaj0> @Croran I have read that the version I have 1.8.1 is insecure, I have done an update but there is no change. I have to get the latest version 1.9.1 or 1.9.2.
[21:12] <Croran> guaj0: if there's a known issue, it's possible the ubuntu maintainers already patched it. regardless of version.
[21:12] <samdragon> 5.4.0-66-generic #74~18.04.2-Ubuntu
[21:13] <Croran> samdragon: ok. sounds like the same version you mentioned shown in the 'edge' install so yeah not new.
[21:13] <samdragon> so I think I need to reboot, and it'll say .61 rather .2
[21:13] <Croran> samdragon: 18.04.2 is just the OS version
[21:14] <jeremy31> guaj0: why is it not secure?
[21:14] <samdragon> oh ok
[21:15] <Croran> samdragon: have you checked for BIOS updates?
[21:16] <samdragon> no, i havent done anything to the bios
[21:16] <guaj0> @jeremy31 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2021q1/000456.html this is for 1.9.0 i have in ubuntu 18.04 -> Libgcrypt 1.8.1
[21:16] <Croran> samdragon: may be worth checking the manufacturer site for a BIOS update.
[21:17] <jeremy31> guaj0: The 1.8.1 is not affected, just 1.9.0
[21:17] <samdragon> ok I can do that for sure. question: is updating the bios something that is more permanent than switching distros?
[21:17] <Croran> guaj0: looks like the insecurity is in 1.9.0 only, so you wouldn't want 1.9.0
[21:17] <guaj0> @jeremy31 oh Yes
[21:18] <Croran> samdragon: yeah it can be permanent. some MFRs won't allow a bios version downgrade
[21:18] <guaj0> ok, I understood that the others also, I am more relaxed.
[21:18] <samdragon> like if I update the bios, while Im on 18.04, and then switch to fedora or something, the bios updates would be separate from the distro so those updates would persist even while distro hopping?
[21:18] <Croran> samdragon: totally separate from OS
[21:18] <guaj0> thanks @Croran & @jeremy31
[21:19] <samdragon> ok thanks! let me look into that
[21:21] <Croran> samdragon: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/8104?b=1
[21:21] <Croran> samdragon: when you go into your 'BIOS' Setup utility you should be able to check the version and see if you have the latest 1.18
[21:24] <Croran> guaj0: you're welcome
[21:25] <guaj0> thanks as always
[21:26] <guaj0> I love this channel, I've been using it since ubuntu 6 and it's always a great solution, it's amazing
[21:27] <Croran> I agree. one of the best IRC channels
[21:28] <persona24> Hello, I am looking for assistance, is anyone here?
[21:28] <Croran> persona24: ask your question. no guarantees lol.
[21:30] <persona24> I've been trying to install Ubuntu 20.04 on a desktop. I can't seem to get an Internet connection. I don't know what has changed, I've installed Ubuntu 20.04 on this machine before just on a different hard drive
[21:30] <Croran> persona24: wireless or ethernet?
[21:30] <persona24> Ethernet
[21:30] <Croran> persona24: works with windows?
[21:30] <persona24> Yes
[21:31] <guaj0> @persona24 if you need in your language you can ask me privately or in Ubuntu-es, I speak Spanish.
[21:31] <Croran> persona24: do you have it running now and near you?
[21:31] <persona24> Yes, I have yet to install. Right now using a live USB
[21:32] <Croran> persona24: What does networkmanager say for status?
[21:32] <Croran> persona24: shows your interface name? eg. enp0s25
[21:32] <persona24> "IP configuration was unavailabe"
[21:33] <Croran> persona24: hmm. what interfaces does 'ifconfig' show?
[21:33] <persona24> command not found
[21:34] <persona24> When did Ubuntu not come preinstalled with ifconfig?
[21:34] <jeremy31> persona24: do you have internet with 20.04?
[21:34] <s3nd1v0g1us> right?
[21:34] <Croran> persona24: maybe doesn't work on live usb... try /sbin/ifconfig
[21:35] <persona24> There's not even a directory for it
[21:35] <Croran> persona24: i'm running 20.04 and ifconfig works for me. must be a live usb thing.
[21:36] <Croran> persona24: try `ip link show`
[21:36] <persona24> Should I just install it without Internet and see what happens?
[21:36] <Croran> persona24: i probably would. could be that initial updates gets you a kernel version that just works.
[21:36] <jeremy31> persona24: Tether to a smart phone using USB?
[21:37] <persona24> If I only had a Wifi USB adapter
[21:37] <persona24> What's weird is I installed Ubuntu 20.04 on this same machine last year on a different drive and didn't have this problem. Nothing has changed in this machine
[21:37] <jeremy31> persona24: trying to use wifi or ethernet?
[21:38] <persona24> I have no wifi option
[21:38] <persona24> Ethernet only
[21:38] <Croran> persona24: if you're wanting to save time maybe buy a usb to ethernet adapter. probably cheap.
[21:39] <Croran> persona24: this one is cited as compatible https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-Ethernet-Network-Adapter/dp/B00M77HLII
[21:39] <jeremy31> persona24: any info about ethernet in terminal>  lshw -c net
[21:40] <persona24> Yes that commant worked, any information you need?
[21:41] <jeremy31> persona24: model of the ethernet, does is say unclaimed or disabled?
[21:42] <persona24> Product: Ethernet Connection I217-V vendor: Intel Corporation. I don't see the word disabled anywhere
[21:43] <jeremy31> persona24: maybe just try unplugging the cable and plug it back in
[21:43] <samdragon> followup, the BIOS is v1.13 but Acer only provides BIOS updates via EXE files for this laptop line, womp womp
[21:43] <persona24> Ha I tried that already
[21:44] <Croran> samdragon: lame. you could try renaming exe to zip and unzipping. sometimes you can extract that way. if you can get the binary file you may be able to install it another way.
[21:44] <jeremy31> persona24: I mainly use wifi, a bit strange for an Intel device not to work
[21:44] <oerheks> freedos
[21:45] <Croran> persona24: serial number is all zeroes, or is it other numbers?
[21:45] <persona24> It has numbers
[21:46] <Croran> persona24: did `ip link show` not work?
[21:47] <persona24> That worked
[21:47] <Croran> persona24: good. now `ip address`
[21:47] <Croran> persona24: any ip addresses listed?
[21:47] <persona24> No
[21:47] <Croran> persona24: you might try running dhclient manually
[21:48] <samdragon> it looks like theres ways to upgrade the BIOS with a live usb of windows, but that just seems like so much work
[21:48] <Croran> persona24: if no luck there, you could assign a static IP, if you know what ones your LAN uses.
[21:49] <persona24> Nope lol Not that tech savvy
[21:49] <persona24> Only enough to get myself in dumb situations lol
[21:50] <Croran> samdragon: looks like the exe opens with Archive Manager and there's a BiosEc.fd in there that's probably your firmware image
[21:52] <Croran> persona24: so try `dhclient enp0s25`
[21:52] <Croran> persona24: might have to sudo. i don't remember.
[21:52] <jeremy31> Croran: they left
[21:55] <Croran> ah. thanks. i have leaves muted
[22:04] <samdragon> Croran:: i get an error opening the exe with Archive Manager
[22:05] <samdragon> does the exe file need different permissions?
[22:06] <Croran> samdragon: huh. try it from the command line. `file-roller BIOS_V1.18.EXE`
[22:07] <Croran> samdragon: huh. try it from the command line. `file-roller BIOS_V1.18.exe`
[22:07] <Croran> any detailed errors?
[22:07] <samdragon> no, just a general "An error has occurred while loading the archive"
[22:08] <samdragon> same with the file-roller command
[22:08] <Croran> samdragon: i wonder what's different from your file-roller to mine.
[22:08] <samdragon> v 3.28
[22:08] <Croran> 3.36.3 here
[22:08] <Croran> might be it. i wish there was a -verbose option for it to say what it was doing and how it was failing.
[22:11] <jeremy31> Might be one of the exe files that file roller can't handle
[22:11] <samdragon> yea, 3.28 seems to be the latest I can get for 18.04
[22:13] <Croran> jeremy31: it does work for me though, with the newer version
[22:14] <Croran> samdragon: may all be moot anyway. i don't know which, if any, utility can be used to actually flash that bios file.
[22:14] <jeremy31> They might have to try the BIOS update using freedos
[22:14] <Croran> samdragon: if you want you could try getting the focal version of file-roller. might not work on 18.04, but it might.
[22:14] <Croran> samdragon: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/file-roller/file-roller_3.36.1-1ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb
[22:16] <samdragon> im going to look into the freedos option, but Im worried I might brick this machine messing with the bios
[22:17] <Croran> samdragon: you're running bios 1.13 now?
[22:18] <samdragon> 1.13 or 1.14 I cant remember exactly
[22:18] <Croran> samdragon: lot of bios releases. i would think that they correct some important issues with 4-5 bios releases.
[22:20] <samdragon> yea, id definitely like to upgrade, i wish it was easier to upgrade BIOS independent of the OS, but acer only supports windows for these laptops
[22:20] <Croran> yeah good to keep in mind for your next purchase
[22:21] <samdragon> im tempted to just sell this laptop and buy a system76 lol
[22:21] <samdragon> i really like this model, it's super thin and has all the goodies I want and I got a good price but ive had a ton of hardware issues
[22:21] <Croran> samdragon: all laptops suck, to various degrees. proprietary hardware and user-unfriendly firmware
[22:22] <samdragon> yea that's been my experience with linux and laptops which really sucks
[22:22] <Croran> the sacrifices we make for portability. lol
[22:50] <alloy> Hi, can anyone offer suggestions on how to change the onscreen keyboard from the default to Onboard?
[22:50] <alloy> For some reason the default keyboard is missing <ctrl> <esc>, arrow keys etc, basically all the fun ones!
[22:50] <Croran> i thought the default was onboard...
[23:39] <mozzarella> guys help
[23:48] <Bashing-om> !ask | mozzarella
[23:51] <alloy> Croran, nah it's something much simpler