[11:26] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provisioning r263 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:26] <_mup_> Fixed merge problem from trunk
[11:45] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-service-watch r227 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:45] <_mup_> Split out support for watching services and service units from abandoned expose-provisioning branch
[13:33] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-machine-service-units r227 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:33] <_mup_> Added support for MachineState.get_all_service_unit_states
[14:45] <_mup_> ensemble/config-example-changes r230 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:45] <_mup_> checkpoint for testing on ec2
[15:25] <_mup_> ensemble/config-example-changes r231 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:25] <_mup_> wordpress config-changed hook cleanup
[23:03] <_mup_> Bug #781916 was filed: bootstrap should have an option to allow for pre-allocation of additional machines <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/781916 >
[23:08] <_mup_> Bug #781920 was filed: signal handling for the cli, ctrl-c should be able to interupt <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/781920 >


[12:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Where were you?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: when?
[12:53] <manchicken> I'm on some cheap access point.
[12:53] <manchicken> Around 20:00
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i grabbed dinner, as i thought you guys had decided to hack into the night or something
[12:53] <manchicken> I can't connect to the hotel wireless.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> urgh.  it's working here now
[12:54] <manchicken> You could have asked :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> where does yours die?
[12:54] <manchicken> I can't see it anymore.
[12:54] <manchicken> I'm standing next to a window with my machine on the windowsil.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> they said they were going to come back, and didnt...and i didnt keep track of where you actually all went
[12:54] <Hobbsee> urgh
[12:54] <manchicken> Tell me about it.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> and i needed the food
[12:56] <manchicken> Aww.
[12:56] <manchicken> You could have come said something :)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> like i say, i didnt know where you guys were, as i hadnt keep track fo where you were going
[12:57] <manchicken> Aww.
[01:00] <manchicken> Well we can all go tomorrow.
[01:00] <manchicken> Just one big happy Kubuntu family :)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true that
[01:01] <nixternal> you guys suck!
[01:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then come!
[01:04] <nixternal> school doesn't give me that luxury just yet
[01:05] <nixternal> hopefully boston, but from the looks of it, that is during school
[01:05] <nixternal> so I am guessing gutsy+2
[01:05] <nixternal> as I should be done with school within a year I am guessing
[01:05] <nixternal> food time
[01:15] <manchicken> hobbsee left....
[01:16] <manchicken> :(
[06:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: thanks
[06:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where are you abouts?
[06:48] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You about?
[07:06] <nixternal> oi oi
[09:37] <marseillai_> hi \sh
[09:37] <\sh> re
[09:37] <marseillai_> I now understand why you've stop packaging kbilliards
[09:37] <marseillai_> :)
[09:37] <\sh> hmm?
[09:37] <\sh> on revu?
[09:38] <marseillai_> it's not you : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2407 ?
[09:38] <\sh> oh god...that's old
[09:38] <marseillai_> lol
[09:38] <marseillai_> yes
[09:39] <marseillai_> i was looking at it but it FTBFS and i just give up ....
[09:39] <\sh> oh damn...it never came > 0.8.7 ;)
[09:39] <marseillai_> yes it is
[09:39] <marseillai_> 0.8.7b :p
[09:39] <\sh> well...not a big change...
[09:39] <\sh> forget it
[09:39] <marseillai_> yes done
[09:40] <\sh> it's not worth it...nice game...but I think upstream just stopped ,->
[09:40] <marseillai_> yes
[09:40] <marseillai_> since two years now
[09:41] <\sh> well, I'm just spending my office time in packaging oracle 10g server into a debian package ,->
[09:42] <\sh> marseillai_, work on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3860 this is more important;)
[09:43] <marseillai_> \sh: what's that ?
[09:44] <\sh> marseillai_, it collects all important information of a server/workstation system (packages, partitions, etc.) and write into several text formats....to give a sysadmin the opportunity to check what's changed since the last time he touched the server
[09:44] <\sh> marseillai_, tool was developed by suse...and it's quite handy
[09:45] <\sh> marseillai_, we are using it here on several hundreds of servers
[09:45] <marseillai_> \sh: i'll take a look at it
[09:45] <\sh> marseillai_, just a bit of perl...
[09:46] <\sh> man pages are missing I think
[09:46] <marseillai_> but if it's too difficult i'll not be able! i've done 4 package for the moment
[09:46] <\sh> marseillai_, it's not...it's more low hanging fruit
[09:46] <\sh> marseillai_, a good start into motu business
[09:47] <crimsun> next you'll be managing WINE...
[09:48] <\sh> LOL
[09:48] <\sh> oh yes, take over wine...it's a present ,-)
[09:49] <\sh> crimsun, wanna take fai-kernels? ,-)
[09:49] <crimsun> I think my plate's full with alsa*  ;)
[09:49] <marseillai_> eurf
[09:49] <\sh> hmmm...fai with sound output during installation of new servers...nice idea...I'll think about that ,-)
[09:50] <\sh> debhelper is the easiest way to maintain a package...cdbs is black jbailey magic
[09:50] <crimsun> eh?  Then you'll find cdbs to be even darker magic.
[09:50] <crimsun> nice.
[09:50] <marseillai_> lol
[09:51] <\sh> cdbs is only nice, if you know what happens behind the scenes...but it's black magic
[09:51] <\sh> marseillai_, that's why cdbs is easier for you, just because you don't know what is going on behind cdbs...read the source of cdbs...if you have problems with makefiles...don't use cdbs in the first place...
[09:55] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[10:00] <marseillai_> \sh_away: sitar is unmaintained too
[11:27] <nixternal> Riddell: rockin' job with edubuntu-kde! I want to help anyway I can with that


[00:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pimp them?
[00:58] <groo> hi/2 al..
[00:59] <groo> i want to join the kubuntu bugs team, what should i do?
[01:00] <groo> actually just did, is john around?
[01:01] <apachelogger> groo: doesn't seem like it
[01:01]  * apachelogger should write an intro page for kubuntu-bugs
[01:02] <groo> apachelogger: ok, i read the wiki, i have a launchpad account, know my way around deb apckages, im a getdeb contributor for more then a year... what can i do to help you guys?
[01:03] <apachelogger> groo: I'd suggest taking a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[01:04] <_Groo_> ok, gonna check that,. what is the easiest way to talk to more experienced packagers? through here?
[01:04] <apachelogger> yes
[01:05] <apachelogger> _Groo_: currently it makes most sense to find "important" bugs which should be fixed for 8.10 and bring them to JontheEchidna's or my attention
[01:05] <apachelogger> or you can just go ahead and fix them :)
[01:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can you give me an example of an important bug?
[01:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it doesnt have to be a new one.. just an example of the gravity of the bug and such
[01:08] <_Groo_> brb, just a sec
[01:08] <apachelogger> _Groo_: bug 270114 bug 268531 bug 182215
[01:08] <apachelogger> _Groo_: generally anything that could affact a lot of people
[01:09] <_Groo_> ahh the first is kinda easy to fix at the first sight... forgot to put a x:number above the old in the changelog?
[01:09] <_Groo_> eehehe even betterm, the revision number is lower that the one in ppa :D
[01:10] <_Groo_> ok, and after i found a bug, can i pull it to myself via launchpad, or i fix it and imediatly tell you guys here?
[01:11] <_Groo_> i fixed the second bug in my own build.. the kdelib changed numbers.. the package needs a replace: tag
[01:11] <apachelogger> well, if you want to fix it, assing the bug to yourself, prepare a debdiff, attach it to the bug and subscribe the affected sponsor team
[01:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahh you touched the soft spot.. the ONLY thing i dont know how to do yeat is how to create a damn debdiff..
[01:12] <apachelogger> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > old-to-new.diff
[01:13] <_Groo_> hmmm ok, do you have a tutorial just for the sake of documentation
[01:13] <_Groo_> a link i mean.. wiki... whatever
[01:13]  * DreadKnight strugles to map his stylus button to right-click
[01:13] <apachelogger> _Groo_: search in the wiki :P
[01:13] <apachelogger> !debdiff
[01:14] <apachelogger> ubottu: dood, you really need to work on that
[01:14] <apachelogger> -.-
[01:14] <apachelogger> excuses, nothing but excuses
[01:14] <_Groo_> aheuaheuhae
[01:14] <_Groo_> ok, im gonna do my homework :D
[01:14] <_Groo_> brb
[01:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well , gotta go home.. gonna start helping asap.. see ya all
[01:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/k3b_1.0.5-1ubuntu5_to_ubuntu6.diff
[01:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: needs a backport to hardy as well
[01:58] <apachelogger> vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=powerdevil
[02:00] <NCommander> apachelogger, can you please hit me
[02:00]  * apachelogger hits NCommander
[02:00] <NCommander> I'm complinating writing a brainf*** compiler :-P
[02:01] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:01] <NCommander> Yeah
[02:01] <NCommander> Brainf*** to x86 ASM
[02:01] <NCommander> If that doesn't say WTF, I dunno what does
[02:04] <apachelogger> lol
[02:04]  * NCommander notes PE files are cool
[02:06] <NCommander> Oh geeze
[02:06] <NCommander> That's WRONG
[02:06] <NCommander> Windows can download and load DLLs across the internet on the fly
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[02:16] <NCommander> yeah
[02:16] <NCommander> In the LoadDLL section of the PE file
[02:16] <NCommander> You put \\*webdavserver*\*dll*
[02:16] <NCommander> And the dymanic loader loads it o_o;
[02:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, what do I pimp
[02:18] <NCommander> http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html - Wow
[02:18] <apachelogger> bug 184068 vs. bug 185798 .. interesting enough users no duplicate them selfs? :S
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: rgreening needs the list-missing and dump-to-console-on-fail
[02:19]  * apachelogger should create a bzr branch with all his fancy helpers :P
[02:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bookmark http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/phooks/
[02:19] <apachelogger> list-missing is indeed out-of-date
[02:20] <apachelogger> better
[02:52] <Lex79> apachelogger: where is kubuntu alpha 6 iso for testing, please?
[02:56] <Lex79> ok, found it
[03:31] <vorian> apachelogger: ack'd
[03:31] <vorian> i love powerdevil
[11:52] <yao_ziyuan> i'm playing with kubuntu intrepid alpha 6 in virtualbox
[11:52] <yao_ziyuan> it seems adept 3.0 doesn't have an icon
[12:06] <jussi01> sigh...
[12:51] <yao_ziyuan> i don't know why you're doing this: the Oxygen color scheme is already bright, and kubuntu intrepid is making it even brighter
[13:43] <apachelogger> ehm
[13:43] <apachelogger> I find this distrubing
[13:43] <apachelogger> a lot
[13:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 270704 needs an ack ;-)
[17:03] <jeroen-> I want to upgrade from hardy to intrepid, but is it ready enough; so my kde3-settings will be imported in kde4?
[17:35] <blizzz> has someone more information about kubuntu specific news to intrepid alpha?
[17:35] <blizzz> jtechidna maybe?
[17:51] <blizzz> and does this pam framework thing also effects us?
[18:27] <jtechidna> blizzz: I don't really know of very many kubuntu specific news, except maybe bugfixes
[18:29] <blizzz> so theres nothing worthy to note in particular?
[18:29] <jeroen-> again (nobidy answered):  I want to upgrade from hardy to intrepid, but is it ready enough; so my kde3-settings will be imported in kde4?
[18:30] <astraljava> jeroen-: I don't use KDE currently, but the basic rule applies; if you really care about your settings and other data, don't upgrade to a devel release.
[18:31] <astraljava> jeroen-: Whatever you decide to do, please recall to backup all valuable data.
[18:31] <jeroen-> astraljava: well I know that
[18:32] <astraljava> jeroen-: Ok good, just needed to be sure. :)
[18:40] <jeroen-> astraljava ans others: it's about this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion#Migration
[19:27] <mcas> jtechidna: will there be a news about the alpha6 release of intrepid?
[19:34] <seele> adept notifier still crashes in alpha6? or is that just knotifier?
[19:35] <blizzz> mcas: i asked him before ;)
[19:35] <seele> blizzz: i think he said it's on his todo also ;P
[19:35] <seele> er, on Riddell's todo
[19:35] <blizzz> hwell
[19:35] <blizzz> jt told me there are bugfixes mostly
[19:36] <seele> did we have anything that needed a feature exception?
[19:37] <blizzz> i don't know, but i was not very present the last week
[19:37] <seele> me neither, hehe
[19:37] <seele> too much irl work to do :(
[19:38] <blizzz> same here
[19:38] <blizzz> two study projects have to be finished and a term paper to be written
[20:20] <jjesse> i am unable to get to bugs.kde.org can anyone verify?
[20:20] <jjesse> or is it bug.kde.org?
[20:21] <knome> i can verify
[20:21] <jjesse> you can't get to it?
[20:21] <knome> can't get to it :)
[20:33] <mcas> i have the same problem :-/
[20:34] <jussi01> !downfor | jjesse
[20:34] <jjesse> jussi01: lol thanks
[20:34] <jussi01> :D
[20:35] <jussi01> that factoid comes across a bit harsh...
[20:37] <knome> Huh? doesn't look like a site on the interwho.
[20:44] <jussi01> knome: what?
[20:44] <knome> said the site
[20:44] <jussi01> oh... :D
[20:45] <jtechidna> mcas: depends on if somebody writes one I guess
[20:45] <jtechidna> jjesse: it's down for me too
[20:48] <mcas> techbase is down, too
[20:57] <blizzz> userbase killed it all
[20:57] <blizzz> ;)


[01:27] <bluesabre> robert_ancell, is that new lightdm what I think it is? :D
[01:27] <robert_ancell> bluesabre, hopefully! Please test
[01:27] <bluesabre> Will do
[02:58] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I added appstream metadata to wine1.6/xenial-proposed but instead of using the Name I specified, it used the name from wine-winecfg.desktop instead
[02:58] <jbicha> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/305678434/wine1.6_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14.1.diff.gz
[02:59] <robert_ancell> jbicha, might be better to ask Laney about the appstream generation, I only really know the part that GNOME Software reads, not so much about the generation.
[03:00] <jbicha> ok
[03:27] <jbicha> FJKong: if you're interested in doing another SRU, there's gnome-calculator 3.18.4 for xenial to fix bug 1566513
[03:43] <FJKong> jbicha: ok
[03:43] <FJKong> I will do it
[05:33] <hikiko> hi
[08:05] <desrt> happy wednesday!
[08:28] <didrocks> happy friday desrt :)
[08:29]  * didrocks is off on thursday/friday
[08:29] <flocculant> didrocks just rubs it in ...
[08:30] <desrt> erm.
[08:30] <desrt> well, it's like pseudofriday for me
[08:30]  * desrt is also off tomorrow
[08:31] <desrt> although i feel like it's still going to be a lot of work
[08:31]  * desrt is going to be getting drunk from ~10am tomorrow
[08:32] <desrt> these kölsche jecke...
[08:32]  * flocculant wanders off muttering about lucky people ...
[08:33] <didrocks> from or to ?
[08:34] <desrt> from.
[08:34] <desrt> see... you can't just go out in the night... this is carnival
[08:34] <desrt> you have to start early
[08:34] <desrt> (mascha's friend is throwing a pre-pre-party)
[08:34] <didrocks> ahah, this needs planning it sounds like
[08:37] <desrt> ...and costumes.  lots of costumes.
[08:40] <didrocks> :)
[08:40] <didrocks> enjoy it!
[08:40]  * desrt gets in the mood early
[08:40] <desrt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF6p-BGQcl4
[09:02] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney
[09:03] <desrt> hi LANEY :D
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning desrt didrocks flocculant hikiko
[09:03] <desrt> hey flexiondotorg  :)
[09:03] <hikiko> hi all
[09:05] <desrt> happy (something), hikiko
[09:05] <hikiko> happy ra day :p
[09:05] <hikiko> happy wednesday desrt
[09:06] <desrt> oh.  that's the one?  cool.
[09:06] <hikiko> in which timezone you are?
[09:06] <hikiko> lol
[09:06] <desrt> -1 from you
[09:06] <desrt> cet
[09:08] <willcooke> morning all
[09:08] <hikiko> goodmorning willcooke
[09:11] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg, Laney, hikiko, willcooke!
[09:13] <hikiko> hi *
[09:13] <desrt> O(n^2) ftw
[09:13] <willcooke> :D
[09:14] <willcooke> HI DESRT!
[09:14] <desrt> hey willcooke omg how are you today like really
[09:14] <desrt> ?!
[09:14] <willcooke> HI DESRT!
[09:14]  * desrt scratches her head
[09:15] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:15] <willcooke> :DDD hey seb128
[09:15] <seb128> :-)
[09:15] <hikiko> desrt, do you know the erlang movie?
[09:16] <desrt> no.  such a thing exists?
[09:16] <desrt> must have been a big hit in theatres...
[09:16] <willcooke> lol
[09:16] <hikiko> hahahahah
[09:17] <hikiko> it has a part where they demonstrate a project in erlang in a phone center
[09:17] <hikiko> like 10 minutes of
[09:17] <hikiko> calls like:
[09:17] <hikiko> "hi dave" "hi robert" "hi joe" "hi X"
[09:18] <hikiko> it's a great plot you have to watch it :p
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 willcooke
[09:29] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg!
[09:31] <seb128> duflu likes to blame gtk for weird behaviours under unity8 it seems
[09:31] <duflu> seb128: You could probably take Unity8 out of that sentence and replace it with "Mir"
[09:32] <duflu> seb128: I say GTK is winning though. It's apparently software rendered and runs smoother than many of our GL/Qt apps
[09:34] <seb128> :-)
[09:38] <duflu> In terms of raw fill rate, GL-based toolkits like Qt will win. But for that to be useful we need to fix some bugs like poor scrolling and resizing in Qt apps
[09:39] <duflu> Which apparently happens in the same Qt apps under X too
[09:50] <willcooke> Laney, your XPS - did you have any issues with the super key being disabled?
[09:50] <Laney> ?????????
[09:50] <Laney> no
[09:50] <willcooke> The internet is a liar
[09:50] <willcooke> Laney, what about switching workspaces with ctrl-alt-<arrow>
[09:50] <willcooke> did that all work ok?
[09:51] <seb128> is that "out of the box" experience we talk about?
[09:51] <Laney> yes, I do it quite often
[09:51] <seb128> like the pre-installed ubuntu?
[09:51] <seb128> or ubuntu on the xps?
[09:51] <Laney> there are multiple XPSen though
[09:52] <willcooke> The person asking me  is using the from-the-factory install
[09:52] <willcooke> XPS13 which is 2 weeks old
[09:53] <seb128> which I guess Laney is not
[09:53] <seb128> Laney, did you upgrade or reinstall?
[09:53] <ricotz> XPS13 - 9350 or 9360 is quite a difference
[09:53] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[09:54] <seb128> hey ricotz
[09:55] <Laney> I reinstalled, but not after using it for a while on the stock install to see how it was
[09:55] <Laney> until after*
[09:55] <Laney> but it's not what they are currently selling
[09:57] <seb128> willcooke, basically it's difficult to say what's the state of the stock oem image preinstalled on those without having a new machine to poke at, they could have some xorg input driver/keyboard handling issue or some weird default config
[09:57] <willcooke> seb128, yeah, figures.  I've pointed them at the settings for hot keys and will see what comes back.
[09:58] <willcooke> no biggy
[09:58] <seb128> k
[09:58] <Laney> I think we'd know about it if the super key was broken for everyone
[09:59] <willcooke> good point
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho you fixed a heap of indicator and icon related issues for snaps last week.
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> I think those have all landed in Zesty now, right?
[10:16] <flexiondotorg> Do you have bugs that track those as SRUs for 14.04 and 16.04?
[10:27] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho I've found a nice group or SRUs bugs for Xenial :-)
[11:59] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: oh, yeah.. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html should track them
[11:59] <Trevinho> I've verified them, so I hope they'll hit -updates soon
[11:59] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[12:01] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: I've pushed a MP that fixes the security issue we were talking yesterday...
[12:01] <Trevinho> Laney: if you want to test that in your HiDPI hw, feel free, but I already did it simulating my hw...
[12:01] <Trevinho> xrandr --scale is my friend ;-)
[12:06] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: awesome, thanks
[12:06] <jbicha> good morning
[12:06] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: you don't need the link, don't you? :-)
[12:07] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: not really, will it eventually make it's way to the releases?
[12:08] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: well, zeisty just needs a code approval then it's there
[12:08] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: as for the others, i've to do an SRU...
[12:09] <mdeslaur> ok
[12:09] <Trevinho> which... actually i think it's time to do now
[12:09] <Trevinho> well, for xenial
[12:09] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: do you have other things pending?
[12:09] <Trevinho> trusty... I won't cover that, so if you want, code should apply there easily
[12:09] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: quite a lot yeah
[12:10] <mdeslaur> ok
[15:35] <abeato> Laney, hey, I have noticed that gst-plugins-bad1.0 1.10.3-1ubuntu3 has been released, but I do not see that revision number in the changelog in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0
[15:37] <Laney> abeato: Well, it wasn't uploaded by me, looks like the uploader didn't push it
[15:38] <Laney> abeato: You can download it (and ubuntu2), and then use gbp import-dsc to import them
[15:39] <Laney> gbp import-dscs /path/to/ubuntu2.dsc /path/to/ubuntu3.dsc
[15:39] <abeato> Laney, I've noticed because I have this MP in a silo and got a conflict: https://code.launchpad.net/~alfonsosanchezbeato/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/+git/gst-plugins-bad1.0/+merge/317315
[15:39] <abeato> ah, interesting command
[15:40] <Laney> it's not automatic and most uploaders don't bother to check vcs for ubuntu uploads
[15:40] <Laney> we have this a lot with desktop components
[15:41] <Laney> abeato: so yeah I'd do that and then rebase your stuff onto that
[15:41] <Laney> then I'll pull up to that revision + the tags in the ubuntu-desktop repo
[15:41] <Laney> if you let me know when it's pushed to yours
[15:41] <Laney> thanks!
[15:41] <abeato> ok, will do
[15:41] <abeato> np
[15:53] <abeato> Laney, aha, the change is just a no-change rebuild
[15:53] <abeato> so nothing to import
[15:53] <abeato> I can just bump the version in the silo
[15:55] <Laney> it should still get merged into the VCS IMHO
[15:55] <abeato> I can take the changelog entry
[15:56] <Laney> yeah
[16:03] <Laney> ximion: yo, I made reading files much safer in libmo master now, feel free to give it a go
[16:03] <Laney> have you got any idea how to set up the coverity submission stuff from travis if the build happens in docker?
[16:08] <Laney> next I'll add a mo_file_new_from_bytes, and that will be the end of the API additions for now
[16:08] <Laney> will add a testsuite and call it 0.1
[16:08] <Laney> but this is weekend work for me
[16:16] <ximion> Laney: nice, thanks! :)
[16:16] <ximion> I haven't tried that yet  (Docker and coverity)
[16:16] <ximion> but I should really set that up
[16:16] <Laney> the examples are just for plain builds without docker
[16:16] <ximion> in run my code through coverity manually every once in a while, but didn't do that for the last few AppStream releases
[16:17] <Laney> I forgot why I was using docker in the first place ¬_¬
[16:17] <ximion> Laney: in theory, downloading the coverity tarball manually and running it & uploading the result should work
[16:18] <ximion> well, if Travis wouldn't use a Ubuntu release from the stoneage, one could skip Docker :P
[16:18] <Laney> it has xenial
[16:18] <Laney> I think I needed a newer meson
[16:19] <Laney> # the meson build requires a newer meson and glib
[16:19] <Laney> FROM ubuntu:yakkety
[16:19] <Laney> ya
[16:19] <Laney> should probably backport these
[16:20] <Laney> but then it'll turn out the base travis thing doesn't have backports
[16:20] <ximion> I think I needed a newer GLib back then
[16:20] <ximion> oh, it has xenial? I though the last thing was an optionalk unstable trusty
[16:20] <Laney> well my thing says "dist: xenial"
[16:20] <Laney> ...
[16:21] <ximion> Laney: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/5821 seems to be still open
[16:22] <ximion> the base is still precise, AFAIK, and you can optionally get trusty
[16:22] <Laney> hahaha
[16:22] <Laney> https://travis-ci.org/iainlane/mo/jobs/203044790
[16:22] <Laney> click "system_info"
[16:22] <Laney> Build dist: xenial
[16:22] <Laney> [...]
[16:22] <Laney> Description:Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[16:22] <ximion> but I am not up to date on this, the CI is something I set up once and when it's working I stop worrying about it or keeping up top date with what's new in Travis
[16:22] <Laney> wtf
[16:23] <Laney> so yeah, need to figure out how to get that working inside docker still
[16:23] <Laney> ah well, that's a future task
[16:23] <ximion> heh ^^
[16:51] <gQuigs> I'm trying to find a (possibly internal) discussion regarding dropping evolution from main re: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial/revision/2403
[16:52] <gQuigs> Laney: any chance you remember?  ....was over a year ago
[16:52] <Laney> We asked the OEM team (or something) and they confirmed
[16:52] <Laney> why?
[16:53] <gQuigs> Laney: got customers using evolution (or wanting to) and want to have a story to tell them why we like thunderbird better
[16:54] <gQuigs> wait, why did OEM team ever care about evolution?
[16:55] <Laney> STS maybe
[16:55] <Laney> I don't remember exactly
[16:55] <Laney> but we asked and it was confirmed
[16:56] <Laney> Isn't it the same answer as to why any other piece of software isn't in main?
[16:57] <jbicha> gQuigs: did you read the commit message for the commit your posted?
[16:58] <Laney> That explains why we wanted to drop it, but we wouldn't have done that if Canonical had a business requirement to keep it in main
[16:58] <gQuigs> jbicha: yup, but that's redundant, I want to know *why* - evolution had an exception # still supported for business environment
[16:58] <Laney> are we going around in circles?
[16:59] <Laney> We asked. and were told. that it was okay.
[16:59] <jbicha> (evo uses webkit2 as of 16.10)
[17:00] <gQuigs> Laney: true, we are going in circles..
[17:01] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: we switched to thunderbird on the default media a long time ago. We couldn't in good conscience leave evolution in main knowing it used an unmaintainable webkit as its rendering engine.
[17:02] <mdeslaur> gQuigs: now that it's switched to webkit2, it may be possible to get it promoted again, assuming that the webkit2gtk developers continue doing abi compatible security releases and don't get bored
[17:03] <gQuigs> mdeslaur: awesome to know, thanks!
[17:52] <willcooke> right, I'm off, night all
[18:22] <Laney> nn also
[20:11] <flocculant> robert_ancell: many thanks - got new lightdm in my iso's now - seems to be working fine for the most part, I reported a niggling issue from suspend earlier - but nothing as horrid as what we had :)
[20:11] <flocculant> s/my/Xubuntu ...
[20:11] <robert_ancell> flocculant, great news!
[20:12] <flocculant> yea - absolutely - I didn't even get to wake up properly before work - testing lightdm instead :D
[20:12] <flocculant> thanks again :)
[20:13] <robert_ancell> flocculant, I'm away for two weeks, so I'm not sure if I'll get the other issue fixed today but if not will pick up when I get back.
[22:18] <flocculant> robert_ancell: seems to me that I only manage to get an issue if I am suspend/reboot/unlock/suspend/reboot/unlock quickly - and on nouveau. Normal use of suspend/unlock works
[22:18] <flocculant> not convinced it's a major issue - certainly nothing like we've seen - where I was ready to not release our Beta
[22:18] <robert_ancell> ok, thanks
[22:20] <flocculant> robert_ancell: have a great 2 weeks :)
[22:50] <jbicha> ximion: hi, do you have time to help with getting the Name field correct for wine1.6/xenial? see the last few comments on bug 1571816
[22:51] <jbicha> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/305678434/wine1.6_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14_1%3A1.6.2-0ubuntu14.1.diff.gz
[22:53] <jbicha> it's using the Name field from wine-winecfg.desktop instead
[23:37] <ximion> jbicha: which component exactly?
[23:37] <ximion> (does have the wrong name)
[23:38] <jbicha> ximion: wine1.6 on xenial-proposed, GNOME Software shows it as "Configure Wine", I want it to just say "Wine"
[23:40] <jbicha> wine1.6 does not ship a .desktop that exactly matches the appstream id I used


[19:33] <cjohnston> o/
[19:34] <newz2000> hi stas, are you around?
[19:34] <stas> newz2000: hi
[19:34] <stas> yep, still working on that app
[19:34] <newz2000> I was just about to tell you something that wasn't true
[19:34] <stas> shoot :)
[19:35] <cjohnston> dont lie! its not nice
[19:35] <newz2000> Just to forewarn you, chances are quite high that we won't need plan b (the app you're doing)
[19:35] <cjohnston> :-P
[19:35] <newz2000> I almost lied and said we won't need it, but instead I changed it to "almost certainly won't"
[19:35] <stas> newz2000: ok so should i continue or drop it>
[19:35] <stas> ?
[19:36] <newz2000> I would say it's safe to put it on hold for now
[19:36] <newz2000> stas: how much have you got done?
[19:36] <stas> well, I almost got url generator done
[19:37] <stas> had to find another solution for geoip location
[19:37] <newz2000> stas oh?
[19:37] <stas> and the best was to use http://code.google.com/p/python-geoip/
[19:37] <stas> it will serve both the country code and continent
[19:37] <newz2000> oh, nice
[19:37] <newz2000> great find!
[19:38] <stas> that was the main issue, as i said yesterday
[19:38] <stas> practicaly now I'm testing the post if it works ok
[19:38] <stas> though didn't published anything yet, all is localy hosted
[19:39] <newz2000> It may be that your solution could turn out better than "plan A"
[19:39] <newz2000> But I don't want to waste your time, we will most likely have a working solution
[19:40] <stas> ok so i'll leave it with a lower priority
[19:40] <newz2000> ok. Thanks a bunch for your willingness to help, I do appreciate it greatly
[19:40] <stas> and check it in case we really need a plan b
[19:41] <stas> newz2000: no problem :)
[19:41] <stas> btw, did you see the facebook app on planet? :P
[19:41] <newz2000> no, I never get a chance to read planet. Was it a good sighting?
[19:42] <stas> yep, the best so far :D
[19:42]  * newz2000 just read it
[19:42] <newz2000> that's beautiful. You're famous!
[19:42] <newz2000> stas: are you a developer by trade?
[19:44] <stas> i'm a web developer, but not employed. I love hacking for ubuntu
[19:45] <stas> together with adiroiban we are holding ubuntu.ro and all it has on web
[19:45] <newz2000> stas: Now's your chance to launch your freelance develpment biz. :-)
[19:45] <newz2000> Ride the free publicity
[19:45] <stas> not really interested :P
[19:45] <newz2000> that's cool
[19:46] <Turl> hi newz2000
[19:46] <newz2000> I've only used PHP for facebook apps but my personal server isn't reliable enough to host them
[19:46] <newz2000> So I'm looking forward to trying out a fb app on app engine
[19:46] <newz2000> hey Turl
[19:46] <Turl> what app engine project do you need help for?
[19:46] <stas> my first app ws on php , but was dissapointed of its performane
[19:47] <stas> python rocks :)
[19:47] <newz2000> Turl: actually, it's on hold
[19:47] <Turl> stas: you didn't use xcache, did you?
[19:47] <newz2000> stas: yes. It's remarkable how productive you can be
[19:47] <newz2000> and app engine free hosting for small and medium apps also rocks.
[19:49] <stas> Turl: nope, i didn't even used memcache
[19:49] <stas> was not really needed
[19:49]  * Turl never used memcache
[19:49] <Turl> newz2000: yeah, appengine is good
[19:49] <newz2000> stas: xcache makes your php code go about 8 times faster after the first page view
[19:49] <Turl> but the lack of a 'real' db makes things hard sometimes
[19:50] <stas> +1 for appengine, but i would like to also try heroku
[19:50] <newz2000> Yeah, it requires a change of thinking.
[19:50]  * newz2000 googles heroku
[19:50] <stas> Turl: it's harder to get used to it, but after I didn't have issues
[19:51]  * newz2000 bashes his computer for continually forgetting alt+tab shortcut
[19:51] <Turl> hm, it's ruby
[19:51] <stas> yep, thats the fun :D
[19:51] <Turl> I never used ruby
[19:51] <Turl> nor rails
[19:52] <newz2000> stas: is it based on rails?
[19:52] <stas> ruby standalone sax, but rails are a nice piece of code
[19:52] <stas> newz2000: yeah it uses rails instead of python/django
[19:52] <newz2000> yeah, rails is pretty sweat. I use django for work but have been playing with rails on my own time
[19:52] <Turl> actually, I never used many other langs
[19:53] <Turl> php for most things
[19:53] <newz2000> Turl: you should give rails and django a try. You can do common stuff so quickly
[19:53] <Turl> and I used python to help getdeb's apt-portal
[19:53] <Turl> that's the problem newz2000 :P
[19:54] <Turl> I don't like using frameworks with cli stuff that generates more stuff automatically
[19:54] <Turl> because I don't know the stuff, hence I can't control it easily
[19:54] <newz2000> You just have to learn it. Each has a tutorial that takes 20 min.
[19:55] <newz2000> Django produces less stuff automatically, instead it has conventions and you only have to write code when you want to do something differently
[19:55] <Turl> I much more like things like CodeIgniter, which I can code the stuff I need on the "barebones" framework, or use premade modules by the community that I can read and modify
[19:55] <Turl> that's an interesting approach newz2000
[19:55] <newz2000> ci is cool. Django is only a little thicker of a layer than ci
[19:55]  * Turl should try django some day
[19:56] <stas> php is fscked up because of the lack os conventions
[19:57] <stas> and there's no good (really good) framework for php
[19:57] <stas> there are many of them and each one has issues
[19:57] <stas> learning php frameworks takes also more time that learning rails or django and thats sad
[19:57] <imbrandon> stas: same could be said for any framework for any lang, there are a few php frameworks i quite like
[19:57] <imbrandon> ci being one
[19:57] <newz2000> Everything has issues
[19:58] <Turl> yeah, everything that is made by humans has errors
[19:58] <imbrandon> newz2000: you need to make it down here to KC this summer for a beer or three ;)
[19:58] <Turl> imagine if gnu/linux were perfect and bug-free :P
[19:59] <newz2000> imbrandon: hey. I don't know why I'd want to, Iowa is perfect right now. :-)
[19:59] <stas> imbrandon: ruby also has many, but usually when you say ruby its rails, because they did their best to make it that simple to use and powerfull
[19:59] <newz2000> stas: for heroku do you have to do something special to a rails app to make it run or is it straight rails?
[20:00] <stas> newz2000: no its straight rails
[20:00] <imbrandon> stas: sure, it really depends on what your doing though, when you only use a hammer everything looks like a nail ( use the right tool for the job without over engineriung it imho )
[20:00] <newz2000> that's a good way to explore rails w/ a basic app for no cost then
[20:01] <stas> imbrandon: I also liked sinatra or limonade in php :)
[20:01] <newz2000> imbrandon: well, one reason to visit kc would be to hang w/ some cool people I guess.
[20:01] <imbrandon> newz2000: :)
[20:01] <Turl> anyone here like symphony?
[20:02] <imbrandon> newz2000: how far was ya away ? i always forget, like 3.5ish right ?
[20:02] <newz2000> 3 if the traffic is good
[20:02] <imbrandon> ahh
[20:02]  * stas guys, brb :P
[20:02] <imbrandon> cool, anyhow i actualy came from non-afk to try to catch joey
[20:03] <imbrandon> seen him alive today ?
[20:03] <imbrandon> re: the drupal -> wordpress conversion
[20:03] <newz2000> imbrandon: got an email from him today
[20:04] <newz2000> imbrandon: maybe I can help you thouh
[20:04] <imbrandon> cool, i got to grab some food and such then i'll try to ping him in a bit, gonna try to write some of the plugins we need for things that wp dosent normaly handle
[20:04] <imbrandon> was gonna make sure we all was on the same page etc
[20:04] <newz2000> imbrandon: better talk about the plugins before you write them...
[20:05] <newz2000> canonical's infrastructure is not always friendly to third party modules
[20:05] <imbrandon> ( like draft submistions for stories from readers etc )
[20:05] <imbrandon> newz2000: ohh yea i'm quite familiar with that mess , LOL
[20:06] <newz2000> imbrandon: joey will probably coordinate the effort with our internal development team (aka ISD) who is in charge of this bit of infrastructure
[20:07] <imbrandon> newz2000: hey actualy i probably need to poke you too about the planet theme, is anyone working on giving it the same theme we're using accross the other sites ?
[20:07] <newz2000> it'll trickle down there eventually but it's not on the critical path
[20:07] <imbrandon> newz2000: cool just wondering, woulda been a good weekend project for me ;)
[20:08] <newz2000> imbrandon: are you on the web presense team mailing list?
[20:08] <imbrandon> yea
[20:08] <newz2000> There will probably be some oppourtunities for community theme building
[20:08] <imbrandon> k
[20:08] <newz2000> mark s formally gave the project a kick in the tail yesterday
[20:09] <imbrandon> :)
[20:12] <imbrandon> okies off for some food, seriously though, beer / bbq / ubuntu / kansas city, this summer
[20:12] <imbrandon> newz2000: ^^
[20:12] <newz2000> ;-) we'll see
[20:12]  * newz2000 puts visiting kc on his summer todo list
[21:02]  * stas back
[21:04] <stas> i think i missed some interesting discussions about wordpress and drupal, and the log hangs at 20:01 :)
[21:04]  * newz2000 got fed up and switched from empathy to pidgin so missed a lot
[21:06] <stas> newz2000: use sushi instead as irc client its awesome and has libnotify integrated
[21:06] <newz2000> I'd like to use one for both im and irc
[21:07] <stas> oh, ok than
[21:27] <Turl> newz2000: don't you think empathy needs a lot of polish?
[21:28] <Turl> I still couldn't get it to work with irc :/
[21:28] <newz2000> it worked for me with IRC but misses some features like hiding part messages
[21:28] <newz2000> and the ability to /list
[21:29] <Turl> I added my irc accts but I couldn't join any chatrooms
[21:29] <newz2000> but it's very pretty. I wish pidgin looked as nice
[21:29] <Turl> and also, MSNP was very crashy and didn't work at all