[03:58] <inetpro> good morning
[05:13] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi Trixar_za, inetpro, Tonberry_, and others
[06:25] <bduk1> More almal
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:46] <nuvolari> oh hi bduk1, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey nuvolari
[07:15] <Cantide> hi everyone~
[07:18] <nuvolari> oh hi Cantide, sorry, missed you :P
[07:19] <Cantide> :p
[07:19] <Cantide> understandable as i don't chat much these days ._.
[07:22] <nuvolari> :-/
[07:24] <Cantide> too busy...
[07:24] <Cantide> :'(
[07:24] <Cantide> life does that to us
[07:36] <nuvolari> yeah
[07:36] <nuvolari> I'm going to make a definite attempt to not let life pass by me at my new job - a conscious attempt
[07:37] <Cantide> :)
[07:38] <Cantide> speaking of work... i have to go back .-.
[07:38] <Cantide> bye  bye~
[07:52] <Kilos> hi Squirm  nuvolari  inetpro  ThatGraemeGuy  charl and others
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos
[08:09] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos
[08:15] <Kilos> one general question today,
[08:15] <Kilos> im running unity in 64bit and kde in 32bit, is that why unity is so much faster
[08:16] <Kilos> chose to get kde in 32bit because then i can use it on 32bit pcs as well
[08:20] <Kilos> Telkom Internet will be extending its Free Night Surfer data by an hour from 1 September, giving subscribers free data from 00:00 to 07:00 (12am – 7am), MyBroadband has learnt.
[08:21] <Kilos> eish no more 11pm
[08:26] <Kilos> morning bushtech
[08:27] <inetpro> uh
[08:27] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[08:27] <bushtech> morning kilos
[08:27]  * Kilos waves
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: Telkom Internet is ADSL, not 3G
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> that artible applies to DSL users
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> the article too
[08:32] <Kilos> oh yay ty ThatGraemeGuy
[08:33] <Kilos> i didnt know adsl did night surfer as well
[09:22] <nuvolari> oh this is nice
[09:22] <nuvolari> bitlbee's own service is somehow busted
[13:29] <alphaG> molo
[14:22] <Kilos> Maaz  tell  alphaG Just hang around if no one answers you immediately , sooner or later someone will get to see your message, and best of all if you have a problem then state it and hang for an answer
[14:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell alphaG on freenode
[15:04] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist
[15:04] <StonedAlchemist> Hello Kilos
[15:05] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:05] <StonedAlchemist> Thanks, I'm feeling wanted already :)
[15:06] <Kilos> why does dominic sound familiar
[15:06] <Kilos> hehe
[15:06] <StonedAlchemist> Do you read vampire novels?
[15:06] <Kilos> my sister lives off them
[15:06] <Kilos> ive read a few
[15:07] <Kilos> i mainly read instructions on how to fix my ubuntu
[15:08] <StonedAlchemist> Lol luckily ubuntu doesn't need fixing that often.
[15:08] <Kilos> hehe not for me i always need help
[15:09] <Kilos> but lately we been minetest mad
[15:11] <StonedAlchemist> What's minetest?
[15:11] <Kilos> its a free clone of minecraft
[15:11] <Kilos> great to play online if you have uncapped data
[15:12] <Kilos> expensive if you use 3g
[15:12] <StonedAlchemist> Oh I see. Looks exactly like minecraft actually.
[15:13] <StonedAlchemist> Bet someone is going to get sued for it..
[15:13] <StonedAlchemist> A few sandbox games have sprung up lately.
[15:14] <Kilos> last night we went through the route of setting up a local server on our pcs for day time and family to play and after 11pm we go online to one of our guys server
[15:14] <Kilos> i think they have got past all that because its even in the ubuntu repos
[15:16] <StonedAlchemist> Still it can't be completely legal. It looks like an exact copy of minecraft beta.
[15:17] <StonedAlchemist> Nevertheless I'm gonna get it anyway.
[15:17] <Kilos> wait
[15:17] <Kilos> there is a better one than the one in the repos
[15:17] <Kilos> minetestc55
[15:18] <Kilos> add the ppa
[15:18] <Kilos> we even have an irc channel
[15:18] <StonedAlchemist> I'm on arch. I downloaded the source file from the website.
[15:18] <Kilos>  #minetest-za
[15:18] <Kilos> but the c55 one hey
[15:20] <Kilos> http://www.instalki.pl/gry/download/symulatory/Minetest-c55.html
[15:20] <Kilos> that one i think
[15:20] <Kilos> the clever guys are either still working or on the way home
[15:21] <Kilos> or let me look in notes somewhere
[15:23] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install minetestc55
[15:23] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
[15:23] <Kilos> sorry they should be other way around
[15:24] <Kilos> oh you on arch
[15:24] <Kilos> you fight it out then
[15:26] <StonedAlchemist> I'm just digging down.
[15:26] <StonedAlchemist> lol
[15:27] <Kilos> with or without ladders?
[15:27] <StonedAlchemist> Just straight down.
[15:28] <Kilos> ya we do too but then use tp commands to get back
[15:28] <Kilos>  join #minetest-za
[17:19] <charl> whoops sorry
[17:19] <charl> just greeted you on the wrong channel :D
[17:20] <charl> when i saw all the familiar names i thought i was in a different channel
[17:26] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:26] <Kilos> hi charl
[17:30] <Kilos> so whats the right name for the song ai yai die jy scroomba
[17:38] <Kilos> ah its ska-rumba
[17:39] <charl> sounds like my vacuum cleaner
[17:39] <charl> roomba
[17:39] <Kilos> very catchy song
[17:40] <Kilos> by juanita du plessis
[17:40] <charl> ooh i made a mistake of googling it :(
[17:40] <charl> it's true... south african music is indeed even worse than dutch music
[17:41] <charl> finished listening... in NL we believe we have the absolute worst of music in the world but i think we need to revise that statement
[17:41] <Kilos> i think thats a very catchy tune
[17:42] <charl> if you want catchy then rather give me caramella or gumibaer
[17:43] <Kilos> i dont know them
[17:43] <Kilos> dont use data for music
[17:44] <charl> it's some real crapmusic pop from sweden and germany
[17:49] <charl> ah no now you have me watching all the wrong stuff
[17:49] <Kilos> haha
[17:50] <Kilos> she sings well man
[17:50] <charl> i just watched caramelldansen and i am overcome with a strange sence of epic win and epic fail simultaneously
[17:50] <Kilos> listen to some of her other songs
[17:50] <Kilos> not your foreign stuff
[17:51] <charl> sorry but i just put on a clean pair of jeans this morning, don't want to dirty them
[17:52] <Kilos> haha
[17:52] <Kilos> i spose you say the same about tara's singing
[17:53] <charl> who's that ?
[17:53] <Kilos> eish
[17:54] <charl> wait isn't she your daughter ?
[17:54] <charl> sorry maybe got stuff mixed up now, been a long day
[17:54] <Kilos> ya
[17:54] <charl> she was in australian idols or something right ?
[17:55] <Kilos> xfactor ya
[17:55] <charl> ah ok lemme search
[17:55] <Kilos> ill get you the link
[17:55] <charl> there is a populair band called tara but that's korean
[17:55] <Kilos> hi divanvisagie
[17:55] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:56] <divanvisagie> hi, thanks
[17:56] <Kilos> google tara-lynn sharrock on xfactor
[17:56] <charl> Kilos: https://www.youtube.com/user/TaraLynnSharrock/videos ?
[17:56] <charl> yeah just found it :)
[17:56] <Kilos> that is her ya
[17:57] <charl> whow she's pretty ! and classy appearance too, not like that other juanita
[17:57] <charl> sings really good as well
[17:57] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wczRExQRttk
[17:57] <Kilos> i think thats the best
[17:58] <Kilos> was the first i heard her sing as well
[17:58] <charl> she's good !
[17:58] <charl> has an angelic voice
[17:59] <charl> man that's your daughter :D amazing
[17:59] <Kilos> she is busy trying to make up her own album
[17:59] <charl> she should
[17:59] <charl> didn't get any record deals yet ?
[17:59] <charl> or staying independent
[17:59] <Kilos> nope
[17:59] <charl> strange, just hear the crowd shouting for her
[18:00] <Kilos> she missed out on xfactor because of visa probs to the states
[18:00] <charl> bah :(
[18:01] <Kilos> now she is trying to do it on her ownm
[18:01] <Kilos> own
[18:01] <charl> staying independent is a good thing these days
[18:01] <charl> record companies are made of evil
[18:01] <charl> but yeah i don't know how easy it is
[18:01] <charl> you have to have some money to do good shoots for youtube
[18:01] <charl> it's not just good enough to sing these days, you have to do a performance
[18:02] <charl> look at people like linsey stirling
[18:02] <Kilos> ya but she records at home with poor equipment so not the same as pro recording
[18:02] <charl> nah precisely
[18:02] <charl> and to go pro you do need some funds
[18:02] <charl> unless you have enough money in the bank it's hard to get started
[18:02] <Kilos> ya
[18:02] <charl> and these days youtube is totally crowded with good talent even
[18:02] <charl> yeah tough one ...
[18:03] <charl> linsey stirling made it big on youtube but she is not only very good on the violin but her videos are made really professional as wel
[18:03] <charl> well
[18:03] <charl> these days people have high expectations... not just good enough to be good anymore
[18:04] <Kilos> yeah
[18:04] <Kilos> and everything is expensive
[18:05] <charl> yeah entertainment is tough
[18:05] <charl> also because the one moment you're in and next moment you're old news again
[18:05] <charl> i actually don't think i would ever want to be a professional entertainer
[18:05] <Kilos> nope
[18:05] <charl> there is a dutch guy that made a song now that is based off a song by kurt darren
[18:06] <charl> both the original and the new versions are cringeworthy though
[18:06] <charl> it's a song called "lekker lekker"
[18:06] <Kilos> lol i dont like his singing
[18:06] <Kilos> im too old fashioned i think
[18:06] <charl> well this particular one was cringeworthy, i don't know about the rest
[18:07] <charl> i was like "this fails so hard..."
[18:07] <Kilos> lool
[18:07] <charl> epic fail is all you can call it
[18:08] <charl> i was almost like "you fail at failing" :D
[18:08] <Kilos> haha
[18:38] <Private_User> hi everyone, anybody here know what could be the issue when one tries to use the radio function on a phone and continues requesting one to connect a wired headset when it has already been plugged in?
[18:47] <magespawn> good evening
[18:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:49] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[18:49] <magespawn> on two channels
[18:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <charl> hi magespawn
[19:10] <magespawn> hi charl
[19:10] <charl> :)
[20:45] <Kilos> night al sleep tight


[11:42] <Guest2146> helo
[11:42] <Guest2146> hello
[11:42] <Guest2146> guys
[11:42] <Guest2146> lubuntu is amazing
[11:42] <Guest2146> i love it
[11:42] <Guest2146> are the devs here?
 I think you reach them faster in Lubuntu Development channel on Telegram
[14:30] <DIO_> Hi, how this works
[17:20] <Hello44> I been searching for answers, fresh install of LU 21.04 thinks it sees synaptics touch pad but the pad is dead.
 I believe we should know more details about your hardware and log files (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Hello44> I been searching for answers, fresh install of LU 21.04 thinks it sees synaptics touch pad but the pad is dead.)
[20:21] <diniamo> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f714ec09241f02ccf34aedd16bf34e87/pasted.txt
[20:21] <diniamo> Hey guys, I'm having problems installing Lubuntu... I really wish there were still alternate releases because that would have made my job a lot easier here. So basically my problems is that I can only boot into safe graphics mode for some reason. Abd when I try to install Lubuntu from there, the next button is off the screen. I also can't change
[20:21] <diniamo> the resolution, there is only one option in the dropdown.
[20:23] <kc2bez> diniamo: Which version of Lubuntu are you trying to install?
[20:25] <diniamo> Currently 21.04, but I realized I should do LTS instead.
[20:32] <diniamo> So, kc2bezany idea?
[20:33] <kc2bez> Both releases have the same result?
[20:33] <diniamo> I'm gonna test LTS now.
[20:33] <kc2bez> Also what does `lspci | grep VGA` show?
[20:47] <diniamo> kc2bez VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Geforce Gtx 560 Ti] (rev a1)
[20:52] <kc2bez> You may need to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers to set the full resolution. I would check to see if the 20.04 live iso has the same results as 21.04.
[20:54] <kc2bez> In the menu under preferences is the the additional drivers installer.
[20:54] <diniamo> OK, well I can do that tomorrow, but I can't really install Nvidia drivers here... if I install them with the command line command then it requires an restart, if I do it in the UI, it doesn't do anthing.
[20:55] <kc2bez> I am not sure the best solution for the live iso since it needs the restart.
[20:56] <kc2bez> Perhaps nomodeset can help?
[20:56] <kc2bez> !nomodeset
[20:56] <diniamo> Yeah, it doesn't really work, that's why I said alternate install would have made my life a lot easier... I could also use 18.04 but that's just. :/
[20:56] <diniamo> Let me see.
[20:57] <kc2bez> You can still set that when booting the live iso.
[20:57] <diniamo> OK well I'll try that tomorrow with LTS version.


[14:36] <Unit193> DuckHook: Congrats!
[14:38] <DuckHook> Just became an Ubuntu member and recently joined the staff at ubuntuforums. Told to apply for my cloak on this channel and am respectfully doing so. Launchpad ID is https://launchpad.net/~duckhook  TIA for helping.
[14:38] <DuckHook> Unit193: Thanks. You were very helpful.
[14:40] <DuckHook> Unit193: Trying out hexchat. Am still working on irssi, but need more CLI-Fu
[14:41] <Unit193> Everything looks good, just waiting for a response now.
[14:50] <Unit193> DuckHook: You should have a PM.
[14:54] <DuckHook> Unit193: Much thanks again.
[14:55] <k1l_> ircc should put you in the cloaked people launchpad group and staff can set the cloak then
[14:59] <DuckHook> k1l_: Will I get some form of notice?
[14:59] <Unit193> DuckHook: uptime PM'd you, so as long as you confirm you're good to go.  Your status window will tell you once you get it too.
[15:00] <Fuchs> (depends on the client)
[15:00] <Unit193> Since he already said hexchat...
[15:01] <Fuchs> and considering switching to weechat :)
[15:01] <Fuchs> err
[15:01] <Fuchs> irssi
[15:02] <DuckHook> I may be missing something... Does PM mean the forums? Remember you're dealing with a newbie here.
[15:02] <IdleOne-> DuckHook: Congrats and welcome. Your membership fees are due on the 1st of every month (no later then the 5th) and you will receive your copy of the cleaning schedule with your duties by the 7th of the month.
[15:02] <Fuchs> DuckHook: a private message
[15:02] <Fuchs> DuckHook: you probably have a new tab, with uptime  (that's his name)
[15:03] <Fuchs> DuckHook: if you can't find it, you can just prod him yourself and say you accept the cloak
[15:06] <DuckHook> Okay. I see it.
[15:07] <DuckHook> Rats. Just missed him. Will keep my eye out.
[15:07] <Fuchs> yeah, he'll see the message when he's back and he can set the cloak
[15:07] <Fuchs> in the meantime, if you plan to stay with hexchat, you might want to configure SASL
[15:08] <DuckHook> Stepping away for a moment here too. Thanks for handholding a rookie, y'all.
[15:08] <Fuchs> http://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat  << this thing. It's for auto identification and thus applies the cloak on connect, so you won't join channels uncloaked and annoy them with 3 extra lines
[15:08] <Fuchs> otay, congratulations and bye :)
[15:32] <Unit193> Also we just barely missed the cloak dance, /ns info DuckHook.
[19:21] <Unit193> nhandler: Around?
[19:21] <nhandler> Hi
[19:22] <Unit193> Can you give the IRCC account +f in -release?
[19:26] <nhandler> Unit193: You should be good
[19:26] <Unit193> nhandler: Danke.
[19:32] <Unit193> nhandler: Oh, and the link when you register a nick on Freenode is 404'ing.
[19:33] <nhandler> Unit193: Feel free to file an issue on https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/issues (although, that one sounds familiar). Otherwise, I'll do so later.
[19:34]  * Unit193 waits, has no GH account. :3
[23:54] <meurth> This is basically an offtopic/unregged channel then?
[23:55] <Unit193> This specific one?  No, why would you think that?
[23:56] <meurth> Unit193, the #ubuntu-ops introduction said the only channel broader than #ubuntu-offtopic was #ubuntu-irc.
[23:57] <meurth> I am trying to find an elementary school teacher from 13 years ago who is apparently no longer staff at that school.
[23:57] <Unit193> 'This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only - #ubuntu-irc has a broader scope.' no, doesn't say -ot anywhere.  This is more LoCos and other team channels, as seen in the topic.
[23:57] <meurth> Unit193, I apologize.
[23:58] <Unit193> 'Tis fine.


[00:21] <usul> need terminal app in server gui
[00:54] <patdk-lap> usul, server has no gui
[02:10] <ping__> hy
[02:10] <ping__> help my
[02:11] <ping__> i instal squid on ubuntu server, but i can't cache youtube , why ?
[02:15] <ping__> hy
[02:16] <ping__> tes
[02:16] <ping__> tes
[02:33] <ping__> hy
[02:54] <martadinata> hmm
[02:55] <ping__> ded
[02:56] <martadinata> hmm :) yes
[02:56] <ping__> yuhu
[02:56] <ping__> yg lain pada tidur kali ya om
[02:57] <martadinata> don't know
[03:55] <ping__>  1 tes
[03:56] <ping__>  hy
[03:56] <ping__>  tes
[03:57] <ping__> tes
[03:57] <ping__> hy
[08:59] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i need to set grub to default boot onto the xen kernel and that seems to be in a submenu on grub2 how can i see and set that kernel to boot by default
[09:10] <ikonia> you set it in the grub config files, re-run update-grub to generate a new config then reboot
[09:11] <eagles0513875> ikonia: problem is is that the kernel gets installed in a grub submenu
[09:11] <ikonia> that is not a problem
[09:11] <ikonia> you still set it in the config
[09:12] <ikonia> treat the menu process as a directory listing
[09:12] <eagles0513875> ok waht has me confused is that on a clean 12.04 install it seems to use a numerical listing to tell grub which kernel to boot
[09:13] <ikonia> well, it can be, starting from 0
[09:13] <ikonia> that was brought across from grub legacy
[09:13] <eagles0513875> ikonia: so i can use paths as well O_o
[09:14] <ikonia> no, not paths,
[09:14] <ikonia> when I said think of it as a directory listing, I meant treat the listing as a directory, eg: top level down
[09:15] <eagles0513875> i did this line according to help.ubuntu.com article sudo sed -i 's/GRUB_DEFAULT=.*\+/GRUB_DEFAULT="Xen 4.1-amd64"/' /etc/default/grub and updated grub and rebooted im guessing that command wont work would it?
[09:15] <ikonia> that's not going to work
[09:15] <ikonia> you can try it though, I could be wrong
[09:16] <eagles0513875> i did try it and it didnt
[09:16] <eagles0513875> and this is on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenProposed#Installing_Xen
[09:17] <eagles0513875> ikonia: are the xen modules already compiled into the standard 12.04 kernel?
[09:17] <eagles0513875> which it seems like they are according to an lsmod | grep xen
[09:18] <ikonia> what are you talking about modules ?
[09:18] <eagles0513875> kernel modules
[09:19] <ikonia> what are you actually asking ?
[09:19] <ikonia> apologies if I'm not reading it clearly
[09:20] <eagles0513875> i know that as of the 3.0.x kernel stack release that xen has been included. question is do i need to install any special xen kernel or boot off a special kernel to use xen from what i have seen it seems like one needs to as the standard ubuntu kernels dont have xen compiled into it
[09:21] <ikonia> xen became part of the mainline kernel in 2.6.30-something, 33 ? 34 ? ish
[09:21] <ikonia> it should be in any kernel post that
[09:21] <ikonia> (you'll need to check 33-34, I can't remember which)
[09:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:22] <ikonia> anything post that will xen build into it's codebase, if that is an enabled option or not, is a different story
[09:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: that wiki page you linked me to (just finished reading it) confirms that xen is part of the ubuntu kernel by default
[09:30] <eagles0513875> ok then why have i seen in grub a submenu with xen specific kernels
[09:31] <ikonia> what does that "sub menu" point to
[09:31] <eagles0513875> xen specific kernels
[09:31] <ikonia> which ones
[09:31] <ikonia> please name it
[09:34] <eagles0513875> ikonia: seems like that was in 11.10
[09:34] <ikonia> so basically you've not done any checking or home work on this
[09:36] <ikonia> why do you have 11.10 stuff on a 12.04 clean install ?
[09:36] <eagles0513875> i dont when i noticed this this was back on 11.10 i have 12.04 only now
[09:36] <ikonia> ah, so you've not checked this
[09:37] <ikonia> you've just assumed it was sub menus on 12.04
[09:37] <ikonia> when you've checked you've found it's not sub menus (I'm assuming)
[09:38] <ikonia> or is it still sub menu's on 12.04 too ?
[09:38] <ikonia> (shouldn't be as you shouldn't have a different kernel)
[09:38] <eagles0513875> ok well ill double check my home server again to make sure
[09:39] <ikonia> it's worth checking
[09:39] <eagles0513875> or even just reboot my netbook
[09:39] <eagles0513875> agreed :)
[09:39] <ikonia> please please, start trying to get your FACTS together
[09:39] <ikonia> how many times - stop making things up that you think are real, check and report on facts
[09:39] <ikonia> not picking on you, but we go through this same thing over and over,
[09:40] <eagles0513875> understood
[09:40] <ikonia> (you may well still have sub menus, but you need to check, and confirm)
[09:40] <ikonia> eg: you are looking at 11.10 kernels complaining about 12.04.
[09:40] <ikonia> need to stop that sort of thing
[10:40] <Anders-> Anyone able to help with Dovecot?
[10:45] <Anders-> I'm getting an internal login failure. From the log file :: Internal login failure (auth failed, 1 attempts): user=<username>, method=PLAIN, rip=<IP_ADDRESS>, lip=<IP_ADDRESS>, secured
[11:42] <Hanako> Nyaa~! I've just set up a Ubuntu 12.04 VPS, installed Apache2, MySQL and PHP... WordPress runs fine, so does Apache2... but WordPress doesn't seem to be able to touch any of the files in the www directory I've set up. My user has been added to www-data group, I've changed the owner of all files so they are in the www-data group and permissions are 770...
[11:42] <Hanako> And from what I can tell the sticky bit is set correctly as well... any ideas on how to fix the problem?
[11:42] <Hanako> (and Apache2 runs as www-data:www-data)
[12:03] <jacobw> Hanako: check /etc/apparmor.d/ for policy definitions restricting those processes
[12:05] <Hanako> ended up chowning the files... www-data is the new owner ^^;
[12:07] <jacobw> functionally equivilent if you set 770 :)
[12:08] <Hanako> I did.. even tried 777 and WordPress/Apache2 couldn't care less... XD
[12:10] <jacobw> apparmor is likely to ship with profiles that restrict both apache and php given that they're very large attack vectors, the problem might not be with apache or php but with apparmor limiting the abilities of the process through exec and the kernel
[12:10] <jacobw> or there's something weird going on :)
[12:10] <Hanako> and apparmor is automatically installed?
[12:13] <jacobw> i think it's been enforcing since 8.04
[12:13] <jacobw> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/apparmor.html
[12:14] <jacobw> an easy method to test if a behaviour is due to apparmor is to place the profile in to complain mode then restart the process
[12:14] <Hanako> guess debian doesn't use apparmor then ^^;
[12:15] <Hanako> since that was what I was using before
[12:16] <Hanako> thank you Jacobw :3
[12:16] <jacobw> http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Distro_debian#Not_Available_in_Stock_Debian
[15:43] <chmac> I'm looking for a simple mail relay, like nullmailer / ssmtp, but one which will accept a message by SMTP on port 25, and then forward it on. Any recommendations?
[15:43] <chmac> Something like postfix configured with a smart relay, but much, much simpler hopefully... :-)
[15:51]  * andol always find Postfix simple enough, especially for doing simple things.
[15:55] <glance> postfix is pritty simple.
[15:58] <qman__> have to agree, postfix is simple enough and easy to set up
[15:58] <qman__> those minimalist solutions, in this case, are more trouble than they're worth


[08:19] <jbrouhard> ew
[09:22] <kraut> moin
[10:27] <kraut> does anybody know, how i could send a magic-sysrq through a remote terminal-console over  cyclades tsc?
[03:32] <sommer> hey all, anyone know if there's an issue in changing www-data user's home directory?
[03:33] <dendrobates> sommer, yeah, if you delete the user, you lose your website.
[03:33] <sommer> heh...I'm trying to run a command over ssh using PHP, but the command runs as www-data.
[03:34] <sommer> just wondering if there's any problems in changing the home from /var/www to /home/something.
[03:34] <sommer> that way I can setup ssh keys outside the web space.
[03:34] <dendrobates> that is not because of the directory, that is because of the user apache runs as.
[03:34] <coNP> sommer: thanks for the lighttpd testing
[03:35] <dendrobates> oh your not using apache.
[03:35] <sommer> coNP: no problem.  anytime you need some testing ping me and I'll see if I can help.
[03:35] <coNP> thanks sommer
[03:35] <coNP> will do :D
[03:35] <sommer> dendrobates: yeah I'm using apache for this project.
[03:35] <sommer> more of a hack really.
[03:36] <sommer> I'm thinking as long as the www-data user exists and it has rights to /var/www it shouldn't be an issue if it's the Home directory or not.
[03:37] <sommer> just wondering if anyone has experience in changing that.
[03:37] <dendrobates> sommer: you can change it, as long as the permissions are all still correct.
[03:38] <sommer> cool, thanks for the input.
[03:42] <sommer> sweet, home directory changed home directory and no issues so far.
[05:18] <ewook> Any opinions on running a 'packaged' firewall or iptables? server sits behind a ipcop dist, but I wish to be on the safer side, and log traffic.
[05:21] <tsurc_> on feisty ubuntu-xen-server is built with <IP_ADDRESS> but the headers for that kernel are not available in the repos. I would like to be able to get xen and drbd on the same host os
[05:25] <ewook> Package xen-headers-2.6.19-4-server
[05:25] <ewook>     * feisty (devel): Common header files for Linux 2.6.19 [universe]
[05:25] <ewook>       2.6.19-2ubuntu7: i386
[05:26] <ewook> http://packages.ubuntu.com | was that the package you were looking for?
[05:27] <tsurc_> now why didn't i find that when I searched. Thanks should do nicley.... I hope
[05:28] <ewook> dunno how you searched :)
[05:28] <ewook> hope it helps.
[05:29] <ScottK> I was a little slower, but went to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu and searched on xen-server and found the same.
[05:38] <tsurc_> bugger....  /usr/src/modules/drbd/drbd/drbd_fs.c:31:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[05:39] <ewook> *_*
[05:43] <tsurc_> installed feisty server ok, followed docs on getting ubuntu-xen-server installed ok, now I'm trying to get drbd to work but to do that (now I have the kernel headers for the running kernel)  I need to compile the drbd module. when I try using "sudo m-a a-i drbd0.7-module-source" it fails with that error
[05:44] <ewook> you're way out of my leage now *_*
[05:44] <ewook> sorry
[05:49] <tsurc_> my idea is that I work in a grammar school and we have just got two identical dell servers. I want to have mega redundancy. so I install ubuntu-server, then ubuntu-xen-server so I can run a number of servers on the same machine then use drbd to replicate the running virtual servers to the other box. Then use heartbeat to monitor them, If one machine goes down the second should auto start the virtual servers again
[05:50] <tsurc_> I have seen it done on CentOS but not ubuntu
[05:50] <ewook> sounds like a good idea.
[05:50] <ewook> should be doable.
[05:51] <tsurc_> "should" thats a nice word
[05:51] <ewook> never worked with xen tho.
[05:51] <ewook> ya... it is.
[05:52] <ewook> did you check all depend. ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/base/ubuntu-xen-server
[05:54] <tsurc_> just trying that now I guess apt-get build-dep is my friend here
[05:55] <sls_> Hi, I have files using swedish charactrers () stored on a samba server -- evntually I notice that the proper characters are replaces wirh odd ascii characters instead (like *~)... any Ideas why?
[05:55] <sls_> the files are not corrupted...
[05:55] <sls_> I have not noticed this when the files are stored on a windows server.
[07:38] <jbrouhard> hi all
[08:21] <jhutchins> Seems to be some corrupted packages at the british mirror - two users reprot bad MD5sum for http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/source/Sources.bz2
[08:23] <nealmcb> sls_ Tell us more about what application produced the file, on what operating system, and what is reading it, what character set you think is being used, etc.  Different applications interpret character sets very differently.  And #ubuntu may also have good insights.
[08:26] <ScottK> jhutchins: There is new support for (IIRC) SHAH1 signatures in the new Apt.  Dunno if the repo is bad, or the Apt has a problem.
[08:27] <jhutchins> ScottK: One of 'em switched to the "in." server and it worked fine.
[08:27] <Nafallo> what's in?
[08:27] <ScottK> India I think.
[08:28] <Nafallo> it's Canonicals DC anyway.
[08:28] <mathiaz> in. points to archive.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <Nafallo> jhutchins: I get that for universe and multiverse btw.
[08:51] <Nafallo> jhutchins: problems seems to have gone away on gb
[09:09] <stiv2k> i have a really weird issue
[09:09] <stiv2k> i already asked it in #cups but im waiting for a response
[09:09] <stiv2k> for some reason, the printer i have in cups keeps disappearing every few hours
[09:09] <stiv2k> and I have to constantly re-add it again
[09:09] <stiv2k> it's so annoying, why?
[09:18] <nealmcb> We (and #cups?) need more details - see the Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[09:19] <stiv2k> right eight
[09:19] <stiv2k> right right*
[09:19] <stiv2k> let me think
[09:19] <stiv2k> ok so im running feisty
[09:19] <stiv2k> and cupsys 1.2.8
[09:19] <stiv2k> um
[09:19] <stiv2k> well someone in a different channel said it might have something to do with dbus


[11:56] <BluesKaj> HI all
[20:48] <FearTheLord> !ops | god please forgive me i didnt mean to get drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!


[10:16] <airurando> I see the linux foundation also tweeted about the meath chronicle article
[10:18] <czajkowski> it's really cool
[10:18] <czajkowski> I posted it to canonical as well
[10:19] <airurando> it sure is :-)
[10:19] <airurando> inspiring
[10:27] <tdr112> did we tweet it
[10:29] <czajkowski> we did
[10:29] <czajkowski> I think
[10:29] <czajkowski> am nearly sure we did
[10:30] <airurando> checking
[10:30] <tdr112> I have just added our account to my tweet deck, I will retweet it
[10:32] <airurando> i posted both articles to identi.ca which them passed them to the twitter a/c


[02:59] <scientes> what exactly does dh-translations do?
[03:00] <scientes> i'm trying to just build without it...
[04:01] <pitti> Good morning
[04:01] <pitti> Noskcaj: YW
[04:39] <infinity> RAOF: Before you ask, I'm fixing libmirclient2 right now.
[04:39] <RAOF> In what way fixing?
[04:40] <RAOF> I thought all that needed to happen was a nice rebuild of the xserver and then everything would magically propagate out of -proposed?
[04:40] <infinity> RAOF: You didn't notice your xorg-server FTBFS mails, I guess. :P
[04:41] <RAOF> I did indeed just notice them
[04:41] <RAOF> I'm missing my amd64 FTBFS email, though :)
[04:41] <infinity> Should be all better now.  Retrying them.
[04:41] <infinity> amd64 hadn't started yet. :P
[04:42] <infinity> You can blame the ubuntu-sdk people who think that every upload to their PPA needs to build on 4 series'.
[04:44] <RAOF> saucy, raring, qantal, precise? Really all those?
[04:44] <infinity> RAOF: Yeap.
[04:50] <infinity> RAOF: Aaaand, now you get a real FTBFS instead.
[04:51] <infinity> ../../../../hw/xfree86/xmir/xmir-window.c:262:21: error: 'mir_display_output_invalid' undeclared (first use in this function)
[04:51] <infinity>   params.output_id = mir_display_output_invalid;
[05:08] <RAOF> That'll teach me for trusting the... oh. That branch hasn't landed yet.
[05:08] <RAOF> No, it must have. Because that's what bumped the ABI.
[05:09] <RAOF> Ah. So when the documentation says "use mir_display_output_invalid" what it actually means is "BWA HA HA!"
[05:09] <infinity> I get those two phrases confused often, myself.
[05:10] <infinity> I think it's because they rhyme.
[05:28] <RAOF> Wah? Now I'm confused.
[05:28] <pitti> RAOF: that tends to happen when talking to infinity at this hour :)
[05:29] <RAOF> Heh.
[05:29] <RAOF> No, I'm confused by what's precisely in -proposed.
[05:31] <RAOF> And also by by sbuilder setup, which I need to actually have -proposed enabled for...
[07:15] <Mirv> can some core-dev say 'ack' if packaging change ubuntu-keyboard http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013052/ looks ok to you, too? (daily publishing process)
[07:40] <pitti> Mirv: LGTM
[07:42] <Mirv> thanks, publishing services stack then
[07:43] <Mirv> there'd be another one from kenvandine and robru renaming a package and adding C/R/P for the old package - mixed inside wrap-and-sort, though http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013101/
[07:44] <Mirv> (this is btw practicing for the fact that didier will be away for the next two weeks)
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <pitti> Mirv: no vacation for didrocks! :-)
[07:53] <didrocks> yeah, that should be forbidden, who authorized that? :p
[08:00] <Mirv> so, if another core-dev has time for a small glance, an 'ack' for http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013101/ (qml-friends packaging change) would be welcome
[08:01] <pitti> yay for reordering everything and making the diff really hard to read..
[08:04] <pitti> Mirv: dropping of qtdeclarative5-test-plugin build-dep is deliberate? the changelog doesn't mention it (or the reordering, or standrad-version bump, etc.)
[08:05] <pitti> Mirv: nevermind, it was a duplicate
[08:05] <Mirv> pitti: yeah, mixed in wrap-and-sort
[08:06] <Mirv> what truly happened was http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~super-friends/qml-friends/trunk/revision/49 + R/C/P additions (+ wrap-and-sort)
[08:07] <pitti> Mirv: the diff looks ok to me after ignoring the re-sorting, but note that you need a transitional package for clean upgrades
[08:07] <pitti> sometimes it works without one, but it's way too easy to confuse apt by not having one, so I strongly suggest adding it
[08:08] <pitti> Mirv: why does it need renaming in the first place?
[08:08] <infinity> If something else is depending on the new package (always), then you don't need the transitional package.
[08:08] <infinity> It's if your package is a leaf that you must have one.
[08:08] <infinity> s/that/then/
[08:08] <pitti> infinity: that's what I thought, too; but I've seen upgrades being stuck without one
[08:09] <Mirv> pitti: there's a new policy of having versioned qml plugins like that, so that when API changes the package name will also change
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: apt shouldn't get stuck if one upgrades, say, friends-app, and it depends on the new plugin, and it has a proper CPR triple against the old.
[08:10] <infinity> pitti: It's when people use the wrong relationships that it goes sideways.
[08:10] <infinity> pitti: Or accidentally depend and conflict with themselves (see the cups mess I unwound over the weekend).
[08:11] <Mirv> seb128: related to above, do you know/remember how the new QML plugin naming policy came to be, I've been only told about it?
[08:11] <infinity> Anyhow, given that this stuff is all new to saucy anyway, I'd let it pass without a transitional package, and if there are reports of breakage, one can be added.  But I hate having mid-cycle cruft if it's not necessary.
[08:11] <pitti> ack
[08:12] <seb128> Mirv, I don't know, it's just kenvandine who told me it was decided to use name<version> after they found how to make different abi co-installable
[08:12] <infinity> (Now, if someone had installed it on its own as a leaf package, that will break miserably for them, but the odds of that on anything but some random developer's machine seem very, very low)
[08:13] <Mirv> seb128: right, it was about that making different abi co-installable
[08:13] <infinity> Given that none of this is seeded, it's pretty wildly undiscoverable, etc, I highly doubt anyone other than Ken might have installed it manually.
[08:14] <infinity> Mirv: So, ack on that diff from me.  Watch for reports of upgrade breakage and be prepared to add a transitional package if it turns out you broke the world, but it should all be Just Fine.
[08:15] <hyperair> any ~ubuntu-archive folk around?
[08:16] <Mirv> alright then, thank you. publishing friends stack.
[08:16] <hyperair> messagingmenu-sharp's been sitting on the saucy queue for two months or so now
[08:16] <infinity> hyperair: For a couple more minutes before bed.
[08:16] <hyperair> infinity: how long does it take to ack a NEW package?
[08:17] <infinity> hyperair: More than those couple of minutes.  But you can bug me after I've slept and answer my questions while I review it?
[08:29] <hyperair> infinity: sure.
[08:29] <hyperair> infinity: when can i bug you?
[08:30] <infinity> hyperair: In ~8h?
[08:36] <Mirv> Wellark: hud still fails to build, can you check? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3438927/+listing-archive-extra
[08:49] <darkxst> pitti, cjwatson, so I am trying to run gnome-shell under ubiquity-dm, however there doesnt seem to be a logind session for that? and gnome-shell isnt real happy about that ;(
[08:50] <Laney> that's an xnox thing
[08:50] <Laney> also known
[08:51] <darkxst> Laney, is there a bug for that?
[08:51] <Laney> not sure
[08:52] <xnox> darkxst: running gnome-shell under ubiquity-dm sounds backwards.  bug #1214732 is sensible -> auto-login into gnome-shell with a profile to just start ubiquity as a normal app. But then you'd need to hack "try ubuntu-gnome" button to do something sensible, e.g. make gnome-shell load the rest of stuff / relogin into normal profile
[08:53] <xnox> darkxst: logind bug is bug #1178638
[08:58] <darkxst> xnox, if its so backwards why does ubuntu even use ubiquity-dm? other than that it would have been super easy if it wasnt for the missing logind stuff
[08:59] <xnox> darkxst: up to raring, we were using consolekit in ubiquity-dm so it all did work. (we recently switched to logind in the distro, and ubiquity-dm is one of the few remaining ones to switch).
[09:00] <xnox> darkxst: we use ubiquity-dm: as it uses less resources than a full-session, less confusion, and it crashes way less on slow hardware, doesn't require 3D graphics drivers, more reliable.
[09:01] <xnox> darkxst: i have tried recently, but gnome-shell was failing to load/display in Qemu, thus for example there was no way for me to install fedora 19
[09:02] <xnox> darkxst: i did experiment with running ubiquity-dm under compiz but there was a large increase of "compiz crash, installer froze" bugs.
[09:02] <darkxst> xnox, perhaps that is the same issue that stops boxes working properly on ubuntu?
[09:03] <xnox> darkxst: what is "boxes"? GNOME boxes?
[09:04] <darkxst> xnox, yes, the GNOME  VM thing
[09:04] <xnox> darkxst: Qemu & kvm works correctly here and displays all ubuntu releases / FreeBSD / Debian / Windows here.
[09:04] <xnox> under virtual-manager.
[09:11] <darkxst> xnox, anyway assuming we go the auto-login route, how to bypass ubiquity-dm?
[09:11] <xnox> darkxst: "echo manual" > /etc/init/ubiquity.override
[09:11] <darkxst> xnox, from casper?
[09:11] <xnox> darkxst: echo "manual" > /etc/init/ubiquity.override
[09:12] <xnox> darkxst: yeah, or some such.
[09:13] <xnox> darkxst: note that you get to keep both pieces, e.g. gnome-shell behaving really/slow crashing with free drivers, and proprietary drivers are not activated by default on the cd, thus dead-locking and preventing a user from installing your flavour =)
[09:13] <darkxst> xnox, is there anychance the logind thing would get fixed this cycle?
[09:13] <xnox> darkxst: yeah, it should be. I had other things piling up on me.
[09:14] <darkxst> xnox, well in that case, their experience is hardly going to get any better after installing!
[09:14] <xnox> darkxst: you can use raring image to develop ubiquity-dm under gnome-shell, cause that shouldn't have logind problems.
[09:15] <xnox> darkxst: sure it will, if they can install, they can tick install proprietary drivers on second page, and after install it will all be dandy good.
[09:16] <darkxst> xnox, that doesnt actually install proprietry graphics drivers does it?
[09:17] <xnox> darkxst: it does. ubuntu-drivers-common is run and if drivers are needed they are downloaded and installed into target installation.
[09:17] <darkxst> ok I will test my ubiquity patches with a raring image
[09:17] <darkxst> although gnome-shell doesnt have the external session modes on raring, but that shouldnt really matter too much
[09:19] <darkxst> ok don't think its ever worked for me, but then I don't do real installs that often
[09:30] <Wellark> Mirv: ...
[09:32] <seb128> Wellark, hey, are you looking at that or should we find somebody else? (it's blocking the indicator stack)
[09:32] <Wellark> seb128: if it's blocking the stack, then it's my 1st priority
[09:33] <Wellark> deprecations...
[09:35] <seb128> Wellark, deprecations are fine, the issue is that ted insists on failing build on those
[09:35] <seb128> which doesn't make sense...
[09:36] <Wellark> seb128: well, we could argue on that, but I have my hands full on fixing the hud build ;)
[09:36] <seb128> Wellark, yeah, let's fix that an move on ;-)
[09:45] <Wellark> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/hud/g_action_map_lookup_action/+merge/181508
[09:45] <Wellark> now we can argue. :P
[09:47] <dholbach> lool, do you think we should have a catch-all session about click and surrounding technologies or do you feel we're all set with what's been proposed up until now?
[09:48] <dholbach> Just asking because will be on vacation until shortly before vUDS.
[09:54] <lool> dholbach: it might be good just to socialize latest update / status, yeah
[09:55] <lool> dholbach: BTW I've got the details on the Click failure that M Fisch was seeing; not sure it's still affecting us or whether other things are still on the way for Click on read-only images
[09:55] <Wellark> seb128, Mirv: coulc you approve the MR?
[09:55] <seb128> Wellark, it's already approved by larsu
[09:56] <lool> dholbach: with Colin on leave this week, who do you think could poke at this?
[09:56] <seb128> Wellark, waiting on CI to be run to top approve
[09:56] <Wellark> seb128: great
[09:56] <lool> dholbach: essentially it seems click checks permissions of all parent dirs instead of just the directory where clicks get installed
[09:56] <lool> dholbach: fwding you
[09:57] <dholbach> lool, there were a few commits by barry in lp:click - maybe slangasek could suggest somebody who could help
[09:57] <dholbach> lool, do we have a bug report?
[09:59] <seb128> Laney, seems like those retries didn't help :/
[09:59] <dholbach> lool, so shall I go file a click blueprint?
[09:59] <lool> dholbach: no; I'll file one if I see issue with today's image which will have the apparmor stuf
[09:59] <lool> stuff
[10:00] <dholbach> lool, can you tag it with 'appstore' please?
[10:00] <lool> sure
[10:00] <dholbach> merci bien
[10:00] <lool> dholbach: blueprint >> you feel strongly about it, and I think it would be benefitial as a fallback or just socializing time, so go for it   :-)
[10:00]  * lool hugs dholbach
[10:01] <dholbach> will do thanks
[10:01]  * dholbach hugs lool back
[10:04] <Laney> seb128: yeah
[10:04] <Laney> i'll look at it some more in a bit
[10:05] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, can you help on autopkgtests being stucked in RUNNING state?
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: same thing as last time, just retrying them? I can do that, yes
[10:05] <pitti> which one?
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, no, don't
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, it's glib, but Laney already retried, didn't seem to make a difference
[10:06] <seb128> though chromium-browser is still running
[10:06] <seb128> so maybe that's going to change once it's done
[10:06] <pitti> hm, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html has an awful lot of running
[10:07] <pitti> the only ones which are actually running are chromium-browser and maas-daily
[10:07] <dholbach> lool, hum, I'm not sure if foundations-1305-click-package should/could be reused...
[10:07] <pitti> (and openvswitch which is known to hang with the new kernel)
[10:08] <dholbach> sending a mail about it
[10:09] <lool> dholbach: feel free to
[10:09] <Laney> pitti: yeah, they're being collected as RUNNING as you can see in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/2013-08-22/09:51:05.log
[10:09] <Laney> I think that means the bug is in adt-britney / jenkins somehow
[10:10] <pitti> right
[10:10] <seb128> pitti, do we have anyone that knows those stuff while Colin and jibel are on vac?
[10:10] <pitti> these are the only two, I'm afraid :/
[10:11] <seb128> :-(
[10:11] <pitti> I guess we can manually hack the status files somehow until that gets fixed
[10:11] <seb128> infinity, ^ can you help?
[10:13] <pitti> I found work/adt.result.saucy which e. g. says bzr-upload 1.1.0-3ubuntu1 RUNNING bzr-upload 1.1.0-3ubuntu1
[10:13] <pitti> (which has finished yesterday)
[10:14] <pitti> and data/adt/saucy-proposed/amd64/saucy-proposed_amd64_glib2.0 whcih also has these RUNNING bits
[10:14] <pitti> but chromium is indeed running, let me check some others
[10:15]  * pitti arghs at people.u.c. having a load of ~ 20
[10:15] <xnox> ubiquity is stuck (i re-run it, but the original result from 19:10 yesterday, should have migrated ubiquity)
[10:16] <jodh> smb: any further thoughts on bug 1208455? pitti/jibel: we may need to explore alternative solutions to bug 1158391 that don't involve nested kvm.
[10:16] <pitti> seb128: I'll try fiddling the status files for bzr-upload, that's got a small dep chain
[10:17] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: if that works, and it propagates after the next publisher run, we can do the same for glib
[10:18] <seb128> pitti, great, let me know how that goes
[10:18] <pitti> if it just resets it, we need to force it
[10:18] <pitti> and wait until Colin and JB fix it
[10:18] <seb128> we need also more people to be able to deal with those magics
[10:18] <smb> jodh, Not much. Second level nesting seems to suffer various odd problems but the many variations of os/arch do not make it easy
[10:18] <seb128> or not let jb and Colin take holidays at the same time :p
[10:19] <pitti> jodh: well, you said you do need the inner KVM and that lxc isn't enough (because of kernel crashes, etc.), right?
[10:20] <pitti> jodh: is that a new crash with a recent kernel? stuff seemed to work quite well a few weeks ago when I played with that
[10:21] <jodh> pitti: yes, we can't use lxc, but an alternative might be for autopkgtest to provide an (external) vm that the test can control. Avoiding nested kvm (or getting the kernel fixed in that regard) look like the best plans right now.
[10:22] <jodh> pitti: were you running autopkgtest on your home systems or via canonistack?
[10:22] <pitti> jodh: just at home
[10:22] <jodh> pitti: that might be relevant as with canonistack and I guess the autopkgtest jenkins setup there is atleast 1 extra kvm instance running.
[10:22] <pitti> jodh: but our production autopkgtest servers are real iron too, not on canonistack
[10:23] <pitti> jodh: if that only affects canonistack, is that a big issue?
[10:23] <Mirv> Wellark: let's wait for the rebuild, 10:00 UTC builds are already going, hud can be restarted later
[10:23] <pitti> test development can happen locally, and production tests won't be on canonistack either
[10:23] <jodh> pitti: maybe not. But I don't have the h/w at home and need to test somehow that it might work when deployed on autopkgtest
[10:24] <pitti> uh, no kvm capable hw?
[10:25] <jodh> pitti: I have that, but smb believes we should stick to an initial 64-bit environment. Thats the problem as my 64-bit h/w is not kvm capable.
[10:26] <smb> jodh, pitti It was mostly to find you some setup that allows you to test.
[10:27] <pitti> smb: why would nested kvm not work on a 32 bit host and guest?
[10:27] <smb> In theory, even with the canonistack guest being 32bit userspace, you still have a 64bit capable cpu provided
[10:27] <pitti> smb: I mean locally, not on cstack
[10:28] <pitti> "prepare-testbed i386" builds a 32 bit VM which should work just fine on 32 bit
[10:29] <smb> pitti, It should work but factually it has issues while using the 32bit version did not. But then this looses vmx which is of no use for jodh . But I did not know at that point he is trying a third level
[10:29] <pitti> you wouldn't use a third level
[10:29] <pitti> locally
[10:29] <pitti> AFAICS jodh only runs on canonistack because he doesn't have 64 bit kvm capable hw, but if he has 32 bit kvm hw that should be fine?
[10:30] <smb> pitti, The variation was which qemu command to use. qemu-system-i386 or qemu-system-x86_64. The former seemed to work from the 32bit userspace guest while the latter did not
[10:30] <pitti> jodh: does anything in your tests actually require 64 bits?
[10:31] <pitti> after all, these tests ought to work on i386 too
[10:31] <jodh> pitti: how many "levels" of kvm will the autopkgtest jenkins env have?
[10:31] <jodh> pitti: no. correct.
[10:31] <pitti> jodh: the jenkins slave is real iron, and the normal "run-adt-testbed" is the topmost VM
[10:31] <pitti> jodh: thus, your sub-vm within the upstart test is the second level
[10:32] <pitti> while it would be the third on cstack
[10:32] <jodh> pitti: ftr, I finished writing these tests a few weeks ago. But we are still attempting to find an environment that actually works where we can test the tests :)
[10:32] <pitti> jodh: I thought you can do 32 bit kvm on your machine?
[10:33] <jodh> pitti: ok. well I can retry locally with 32-bit but ftr that was also failing when running with qemu-system-x86_64.
[10:33] <pitti> jodh: maybe, but why do you want qemu-system-x86_64 in the first place?
[10:34] <jodh> pitti: yes I can, but the combinations we have tried as documented on various bugs show that although the systems *should* work, they do not.
[10:34] <jodh> pitti: However, as I say, I'll try once more locally with 'qemu' at all levels rather than the existing hard-coded autopkgtest qemu-* variant.
[10:34] <pitti> jodh: oh, do you mean because run-adt-test and prepare-testbed hardcode qemu-system-x86_64 for >= 13.04?
[10:35] <pitti> jodh: yeah, we should check the host architecture and use qemu-system-i386 if it's 32 bit
[10:35] <pitti> jodh: you can just change these locally in these scripts
[10:35] <jodh> pitti: correct
[10:36] <jodh> pitti: yes, it feels I've been changing those scripts almost hourly :)
[10:38] <pitti> seb128: hm, britney sets back the status to RUNNING, so hacking the state files doesn't work :(
[10:38] <pitti> so we'll need release team nudges for these
[10:42] <smb> pitti, The problem with the whole nested kvm is that each level can vary in the kernel(+kvm kernel module) and the qemu/kvm user-space driving it. Which makes it very hard to figure out what broke when.
[11:07] <Wellark> seb128: now the same test passed on i386 and failed on ARM :(
[11:07] <seb128> Wellark, :/
[11:08] <seb128> Wellark, doing another retry...
[11:08] <Wellark> pete-woods: did you touch the watchdog code yesterday?
[11:09] <Wellark> pete-woods: test-watchdog first failed on i386 and passed on ARM but on the second run it passed on i386 and failed on ARM
[11:09] <Wellark> we need to tweak the urand()...
[11:09] <Wellark> just for the lulz
[11:10] <pete-woods> Wellark: no touches, unfortunately
[11:12] <seb128> pete-woods, hey, thostr mentioned you were doing hud work, is fixing bug #1192646 on your list?
[11:13] <Wellark> pete-woods: seems that the timer check is way too strict
[11:14] <Wellark> pete-woods: I will give it some more margin
[11:16] <pete-woods> seb128: I had only been assigned fixing the "hud doesn't work at all on the phone" bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/hud/+bug/1205097)
[11:16] <seb128> pete-woods, ok :/
[11:41] <Wellark> pete-woods, seb128: letäs try this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/hud/g_action_map_lookup_action/+merge/181533
[11:41] <Wellark> I'm suspecting that the builders are simply just under such heavy load that it causes the timing sensitive tests to sometimes fail
[11:43] <seb128> Wellark, the build fix finally got merged btw, but yeah, it makes sense to increase a bit the timeout I guess
[11:58] <Mirv> Wellark: hud amd64 built fine now
[12:02] <Wellark> Mirv: it has always built fine. :)
[12:03] <Wellark> oh, sweet.. armhf failed again
[12:16] <seb128> doko_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-mock/1.6.0+svn437-0ubuntu3 is stucked in proposed, britney doesn't like your "python:any" depends
[12:23] <seb128> Riddell, did you see that your qtwebkit-source recent update fails to build on arm?
[12:25] <seb128> jamespage, hey, not sure if you noticed but samba is depwaiting on libtevent-dev ... do you plan to file a MIR for tevent?
[12:28] <xnox> doko_: javac seems to segfault during android build here. Not sure what broke, as both oracle and openjdk are segfaulting here.
[12:29] <paulliu> Hi, I got "Module 'HudClient' does not contain a module identifier directive - it cannot be protected from external registrations.
[12:29] <paulliu> Is there some packages I missed?
[12:30] <paulliu> wrong channel, sorry.
[12:30] <xnox> doko_: that's 6, openjdk 7 works fine, so i'll port our build to use that..... or like not build that one single java util.
[12:41] <jamespage> seb128, yeah - zul is going todo that
[12:42] <seb128> jamespage, great, thanks
[13:34] <dobey> kenvandine: hey, in system-settings-online-accounts, how do i go back to the main list of accounts (and also back to the main system settings view once in accounts), after i've clicked on or added an account?
[13:35] <Laney> dobey: the same way you always go back, by dragging up the toolbar from the bottom
[13:35] <dobey> awesome. so i can't go back (running it on workstation)
[13:36] <xnox> Laney: i usually exit by fallowing "Exit" signs....
[13:36] <Laney> why not?
[13:36] <dobey> because i can't drag the toolbar up with a mouse?
[13:36] <Laney> sure you can
[13:36] <dobey> no. i can't
[13:36] <xnox> dobey: hm, i thought i could, also I thought on desktop the toolbar is always expanded.
[13:37] <dobey> oh, i can. i guess there's just no toolbar on the main screen
[13:37] <dobey> you know, because *that's* obvious
[13:37] <dobey> xnox: it's not
[13:37] <xnox> interesting.
[13:38] <dobey> also, why can't i just flick from left to right in the app, or on the header, to do that?
[13:38] <dholbach> lool, maybe my memory is failing me right now, but did you file a bug on the click permissions thing?
[13:42] <Laney> it's a design pattern
[13:42] <Laney> http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/global-patterns/navigation
[13:42] <Laney> "Deep"
[13:49] <lool> dholbach: no, have to test it with today's image still; upgrading now
[13:49] <dholbach> gotcha
[13:49]  * lool was visiting a collocation space in the last hour
[13:49] <lool> will be trying it out tomorrow
[13:50] <lool> drilling noise at home + heat + nobody => I'd like to see some faces  ;-)
[13:50] <lool> I can open my G+ stream and look at hackergotchis, but somehow it's not the same
[13:53] <tvoss_> lool, :)
[14:35] <w1nt3r> where does one goes to seek/request changes/additions in the distro iso?
[14:36] <dobey> bug reports
[14:37] <w1nt3r> have a link?
[15:26] <pitti> sforshee: thanks for filing the upower bugs! I have another question/request for info in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68337, in case you missed it
[15:29] <sforshee> pitti: I responded already ... did I miss something
[15:41] <pitti> sforshee: ah thanks; that ought to be enough to reproduce
[16:02] <qengho> Weird. So, why would the first step in "apt-get", "Reading package lists" take y
[16:02] <qengho> oops.
[16:03] <qengho> take a really long time?  Like, previously, 30 seconds.  Now, minutes.
[16:06] <qengho> strace has long pauses between each read() of the downloaded Packages file.  ~32000 bytes per read().  Seems normal.
[16:06] <qengho> ...The size, not delay.
[16:14] <seb128> qengho, hey, how are you? are you getting somewhere with the chromium build fail on saucy?
[16:15] <ogra_> again ?
[16:15] <seb128> ogra_, yes...
[16:15] <ogra_> oh man ... do they change their whole code each micro release ?
[16:26] <qengho> seb128: yes, got it solved. Preparing next version now. Should be soon.
[16:30] <seb128> qengho, great
[17:02] <w1nt3r> are there (detailed) docs somewhere on the process ubuntu uses to master their isos? (specifically how is the boot record created)
[17:05] <infinity> pitti: Erk, did you actually hack status files?  It would have been much less hassle to ask a release team member to just add test hint.
[17:40] <w1nt3r> where should I file a bug to add more crypt kmods to the live cd's initrd?
[17:41] <xnox> w1nt3r: $ ubuntu-bug cryptsetup
[17:42] <xnox> w1nt3r: although it could be ubuntu-cdimage bug, since cryptsetup has been changed to include only some crypt modules to live cd's initrd.
[17:42] <xnox> http://pad.lv/p/ubuntu-cdimage
[17:43] <w1nt3r> xnox: thanks, that was very non-intuitive
[18:55] <ScottK> sip4 and python-qt4 migration are blocked by python-qt4 autopkgtests still RUNNING after many hours. Could someone please have a look?
[18:57] <gQuigs> looking for the right people to ping about my blueprint: recommending 64 bit by default: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-32v64-bit
[19:00] <gQuigs> or just people who would want to discuss it this UDS.
[19:16] <xnox> ScottK: known problem, please check the result on public jenkins and add a hint.
[19:16] <xnox> ScottK: infinity unblocked ubiquity in a similar fashion for me.
[19:17] <xnox> ScottK: jibel + cjwatson are away, and they kind of the two people who did "jenkins <-> britney" integration.
[19:22] <Laney> yeah i've added a force-skiptest or two for that
[20:27] <ScottK> Last time I was told it was all fixed.
[20:35] <xnox> ScottK: sure, it was working fine, but yesterday is when i noticed problems.
[20:35] <xnox> so something new has gone astray
[21:10] <robert_ancell> tedg, you're handling indicate-bluetooth reviews right?
[21:11] <tedg> robert_ancell, Either myself or charles, yes.
[21:11] <tedg> What's up?
[21:12] <robert_ancell> tedg, just checking i'm not blocking any of the changes charles is making
[21:12] <robert_ancell> looking good though!
[21:13] <tedg> robert_ancell, No, we've assumed that you've moved on to some space ship thingy ;-)
[21:13] <robert_ancell> tedg, don't worry, we'll be crashing to earth soon enough :)
[21:13] <charles> robert_ancell: :-)
[21:14]  * tedg buys an umbrella
[21:14] <charles> robert_ancell: do you know of any way to get the battery charge level from a bluetooth device?
[21:14] <charles> bluez doesn't seem to have anything addressing it
[21:14] <tedg> charles, I thought upower had it?
[21:14] <robert_ancell> charles, no, sorry
[21:14] <charles> but I'm still getting up to speed on this
[21:15] <charles> tedg, at least when I tested, upower wasn't reporting anything on mpt's use cases
[21:15] <charles> for example it didn't tell me anything about the bluetooth headset I have connected
[21:16] <tedg> I wonder if it's a specific bluetooth profile that's required
[21:16] <charles> wrt upower, iirc there's not even an entry for them in the upower device type enum
[21:18] <tedg> charles, Hmm, perhaps it was a gnome-power thing that I'm remembering then.
[21:23] <charles> tedg, I don't think gnome-power does that but I'll recheck
[21:24] <tedg> charles, Well, I haven't played with gnome-power for probably 5 years... so trusting my memory here is probably not too wise :-)
[21:24] <tedg> charles, When I was a kid we didn't have these fancy system services you kids have today!
[21:25] <charles> tedg, I'm going to have to ask to see your driver's license, sir
[21:25] <tedg> We did everything in the user session, and we liked it!
[22:26] <darkxst> cjwatson, how do we change the isolinux theme on our livecd?
[23:30] <TheMuso> @pilot in
[23:45] <smoser> hey...
[23:45] <smoser> i wonder what people woudl think abou thits.
[23:45] <smoser> i like eatmydata.
[23:45] <smoser> i like using eatmydata with apt.
[23:46] <smoser> the one thing i'm concerned about is 'eatmydata apt-get install some-daemon-package'
[23:46] <smoser> because if some-daemon-package is sysvinit, afaik, it will inherit eatmydata. which is probably not what i want.
[23:47] <smoser> would there be an insertion point (maybe in 'service' or somewhere) where we could drop libeatmydata's LD_PRELOAD .
[23:47] <smoser> unless there was another environment variable EATMYDATA_SYSVINIT or something also present.


[00:01]  * compdoc passes dasjoe the calamine lotion
[00:02] <dasjoe> :)
[01:58] <ball> Well, I wouldn't have predicted this but I've just installed Ubuntu Server.
[02:04] <ball> If I'm reading this right it took just 1.3 GB on disk.
[02:05] <ball> (plus swap, which doesn't count)
[02:05] <pmatulis> ball, sounds about right
[02:05] <ball> Awesome.
[12:30] <rbasak> powersj: on bug 1540323, I'm not sure I follow. The source package does need removing, and we need to create the binary from the seeds instead.
[12:30] <rbasak> (or get rid of the binary package entirely; that needs further checking)
[12:42] <rbasak> powersj: I replied to bug 1649729
[15:10] <powersj> rbasak: re: ubuntu-virt, so you expect the binary to exist, but to be generated by a different source package?
[15:14] <rizonz> I really doubt if I need to mirror universe and multiverse for my servers
[15:16] <rbasak> powersj: right. Actually I'm not sure if the binary should exist, but if it should, it should be generated via a seed through src:ubuntu-meta I think.
[15:16] <rbasak> (which is semi-auto-updated from the seeds)
[15:17] <powersj> rbasak: ok thanks, I was doing old bug triage and didn't quite understand if there was still an action. I see you added it to the backlog, so I think we are good then :)
[18:26] <hasenov> hello everyone, i am running ubuntu novalxd openstack
[18:26] <hasenov> and i imported an image from a remote host
[18:26] <hasenov> i can see it when i go into the compute container and do "lxc image list"
[18:27] <hasenov> but it is not present in the horizon ui
[18:27] <hasenov> what is the way to make it visible in horizon?
[18:27] <sarnold> are you "allowed" to mix the novalxd with normal lxd like that?
[18:35] <hasenov> sarnold: oh i didnt realize they had different commands
[18:36] <hasenov> can i do remote add with nova lxd?
[18:36] <sarnold> hasenov: the usual lxd image store doesn't have any concept of tenants or 'owners' -- it's nice and simple :) -- but the novalxd thing is going to use glance for images, which do have owners, and so on..
[18:37] <sarnold> so I suspect when you step out of the openstack tooling, you're probably going to have trouble integrating with novalxd; and when you step out of the lxd tooling, you're going to have trouble integrating with openstack
[18:40] <hasenov> my situation is that someone just shared an lxc image with me from their repo and i downloaded it, i believe my only solution is to create a tar out of it and create new image through horizon ui?
[18:40] <sarnold> that sounds plausible; there might be better choices but I can't think of anything off-hand
[19:16] <hasenov> so i exported the image and create new one in horizon, and looks like through openstack the instance wouldn't start
[19:16] <hasenov> but when starting with lxc it starts up fine
[19:17] <hasenov> WARNING nova.compute.manager [-] [instance: 9cb756c9-a39c-42fe-8ce3-c069f8c86b1c] Instance shutdown by itself. Calling the stop API. Current vm_state: active, current task_state: None, original DB power_state: 4, current VM power_state: 4
[19:18] <hasenov> is what is printed out in the nova var log
[20:36] <hasenov> how would i be able to get a novalxd image from a remote Image Location?
[20:36] <hasenov> can i use images.linuxcontainers.org?
[20:51] <GrandPa-G> I have just been given responsiblity to manage a rack mount server with Ubuntu. I am looking for suggestion of how to manage
[20:52] <GrandPa-G> it, especially for being up/down. I will have access to ssh. It will have mysql, apache and another socket based app.
[20:52] <GrandPa-G> How to know status without looking? What tools. Any references are great.
[20:54] <andol> 1) You will gradually want to get some configuration management in place, such as Puppet or Ansible
[20:54] <andol> 2) Icinga 2 is not a bad choice for monitoring, to be able to see what is up or not, etc.
[20:55] <andol> GrandPa-G: ^^
[20:56] <andol> Or wait, are we just talking about one server now? In that case I guess it might be more effencience to use a hosted solution for monitoring, such as Pingdom or Monitis.
[21:03] <GrandPa-G> One caveat is I am told no $ to spend. Just one server, not high usage, just don't want to have to monitor until something is going bad.
[21:06] <andol> GrandPa-G: If we take Pingdom as an example you would probably me able to get away with their Starter tier for $15 a month.  Surely spending that small amount of money must be preferable to you spending a non-trivial amount of work time?
[21:08] <GrandPa-G> If I were in charge, I would agree. It just that any funding is a big deal.
[21:11] <andol> ...and your time is free?
[21:14] <GrandPa-G> actually it is on this project
[22:25] <DK2> my server brings a duplicate address up on eth2 after every reboot, are there any logs as to why this happens?
[22:25] <DK2> i have <IP_ADDRESS>/25 and after the reboot theres also a <IP_ADDRESS>/32 , why?
[22:26] <bekks> DK2: What does your configuration looks like?
[22:27] <DK2> auto eth2
[22:27] <DK2> iface eth2 inet static
[22:27] <DK2>   address <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:27] <DK2>   netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:27] <DK2> thats all.. lol
[22:29] <dasjoe> That's all, no gateway, no DNS, no other interfaces configured?
[22:29] <DK2> yes its not needed in this case
[22:30] <bekks> Not even the loopback adapter configured?
[22:31] <DK2> there is
[22:31] <DK2> but not for eth2...
[22:31] <DK2> eth2 ist just for interal access to some servers
[22:31] <bekks> Guess why the loopback is named loopback and not eth2. :P
[22:31] <DK2> ya well the loopback adapter is there :P
[22:32] <DK2> i just dont know where that mysterious duplicate /32 comes from
[22:37] <k2gremlin> Trying to add a second disk to my ubuntu server.. ran fdisk -l and the one I am adding is /dev/sdb  I want to mount it to /storage. In fstab I put in /dev/sdb /storage ext4 defaults 1 3 However, I get this error "Can't find ext4 filesystem... does it need to be formatted or something??
[22:38] <tarpman> k2gremlin: yes, you should partition it first, and then make a filesystem in the partition
[22:38] <k2gremlin> Do I need to use the mkfs.ext4 command?
[22:38] <bekks> k2gremlin: you need to create a partition on it, like sdb1, and create a filesystem on sdb1 afterwards.
[22:38] <bekks> Then, you can mount it.
[22:40] <k2gremlin> bekks, should it be primary or extended?
[22:40] <bekks> k2gremlin: Doesnt matter actually.
[22:41] <dasjoe> Will mkfs.ext4 actually refuse to work on a raw block device? Let's see
[22:42] <bekks> Not, it will work fine on whatever block device.
[22:43] <dasjoe> Yeah, just tested: /dev/zd96: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=8a0923ec-5575-4234-8ddc-78d0ecb67a30 (extents) (large files) (huge files)
[23:02] <k2gremlin> bekks, thanks.. got it working great :)
[23:25] <tarpman> nacc: just saw your comment on bug 1436558. I haven't proposed a merge yet because I want to see what's happening with heimdal in debian (heimdal 7 RC just got uploaded to unstable)... if I'm going to be adding back heimdal support anyway, I'd kind of rather not merge in the current state with heimdal disabled
[23:25] <nacc> tarpman: ah ok! thanks!
[23:26] <tarpman> nacc: I understand it's a nasty bug, but it's also been around for a decade or so :)
[23:26] <nacc> tarpman: 100% ack on that, mostly a note to myself as i triage
[23:26] <tarpman> sure
[23:40] <rizonz> meh my apache stopped serving my vhosts on a 14.04 to 16.04 upgrade


[16:55] <David_Hedlund> apt-get update is working fine. But I'm curious to learn why I cannot install transitional snap packages. Please see http://rafb.ath.cx/pastes/pdwlB657.html JanC
[16:55] <David_Hedlund> This is for Ubuntu Server, not Ubuntu
[16:57] <leftyfb> David_Hedlund: sudo snap install firefox   # and: sudo snap install chromium-browser
[16:57] <leftyfb> David_Hedlund: also, looks like you have a broken dpkg somewhere with the instructions on how to resolve it right in your paste
[17:04] <David_Hedlund> leftyfb: I didn't have any broken dpkg packages before I executed this (verified with a VM).
[17:05] <leftyfb> David_Hedlund: fix the broken package and install firefox and chromium using the commands I posted above
[17:27] <David_Hedlund> leftyfb: Solved with `sudo apt --fix-missing update`  -- Thanks
[17:28] <leftyfb> David_Hedlund: just curious why you didn't follow the instructions in your pastebin?   sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:31] <David_Hedlund> leftyfb: I added that text, it's relevant if you cancel the apt-install by shutting down in the middle of the process for example
[20:58] <webchat2> Hi there. I'm having an issue with my MS Bluetooth mouse, it disconnects after a while and will not connect, only rebooting will take care of it.
[20:59] <webchat2> With that being said, I have no idea on what is causing it to be honest. Has anyone ever dealt with this issue before?
[21:12] <webchat2> jeremy31: Aight, will reboot now.
[21:17] <webchat2> Just rebooted, after like 1 minute it disconnected again.
[21:17] <tomreyn> webchat2: some background info on what you just did: "btusb" is a kernel module, not a command you can run. kernel modules do have parameters you can pass to them, though, to make them work differently. the "modinfo -p btusb" command would list those of the "btusb" module, for your current kernel. kernel module options are applied while the module is loaded (called "module probing", i.e. "modprobe"), and placing them in /etc/modprobe.d is a way
[21:17] <tomreyn> to do so. passing them on the kernel command line is another (type "!kernelparm" here for more info on that).
[21:18] <webchat2> !kernelparm
[21:18] <jeremy31> webchat2: using wifi too?
[21:19] <webchat2> Yes, I happen to be using Wi-Fi as well.
[21:19] <jeremy31> Might need to change Bluetooth coexistence parameter of the wifi module
[21:21] <jeremy31> webchat2: post URL from terminal for>  lsmod|grep cfg|nc termbin.com 9999
[21:24] <webchat2> jeremy31: https://pastebin.com/t6kAHM8D
[21:24] <webchat2> That's from lsmod.
[21:27] <jeremy31> webchat2: try> echo "options options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0"| sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwl.conf
[21:28] <webchat2> Aight. Rebooting again.
[21:28] <tomreyn> you have "options" twice there
[21:29] <jeremy31> I hate doing things on my phone
[21:31] <tomreyn> you need nokia 9000 communicator
[21:32] <webchat2> jeremy31: Now the mouse doesn't even work.
[21:33] <jeremy31> 4:27 PM <jeremy31> webchat2: try> echo "options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0"| sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwl.conf
[21:33] <webchat2> Aight.
[21:34] <tomreyn> webchat2: there was a typo in the command jeremy last provided, it said "options options". this ^ fixed command will correct it.
[21:34] <webchat2> Rebooting.
[21:37] <webchat2> jeremy31: It's working now, but oddly enough the mouse pointer is more sensitive now.
[21:37] <webchat2> Just made a few adjustments, now to see if it will disconnect.
[21:38] <jeremy31> webchat2: if anything goes wrong just delete the iwl.conf and reboot
[21:38] <webchat2> Alright.
[21:38] <webchat2> Btw, I've been getting some odd error messages, but not sure if they are related.
[21:39] <webchat2> It's usually right when I log in.
[21:41] <jeremy31> webchat2: if you find them paste them to paste.ubuntu.com and just post URL here
[21:41] <webchat2> Is there any folder where they are saved to?
[21:42] <jeremy31> webchat2: likely /var/log/syslog
[21:45] <tomreyn> likely /var/log/journal nowadays - use the "journalctl" command to view them
[21:45] <webchat2> Jeremy31 Found it, but it's... a lot of information. Too much in fact.
[21:45] <tomreyn> or just "dmesg" for only kernel messages
[21:48] <webchat2> Odd, it shows some logs, but from 12th May.
[21:48] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -p3    should list errors logged since boot
[21:48] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -p4    should list warnings and errors logged since boot
[21:50] <webchat2> https://pastebin.com/3BZF3fYB
[21:50] <webchat2> Used p4
[21:54] <tomreyn> if you want to share the output, use    journalctl -b -p4 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:54] <ravage> i see that there is a missing firmware file
[21:54] <ravage> could that be a problem?
[21:54] <webchat2> I have no idea on what is missing.
[21:55] <oerheks> MDS CPU bug present and SMT on, data leak possible. This vulnerability was fixed by 20190514 update of microcode
[21:55] <ravage> if yes then here somoneone built a .deb with them https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/releases
[21:55] <webchat2> That would be a chipset firmware update, right?
[21:55] <oerheks> no, intel microcode
[21:56] <ravage> i dont think that affects his BT but could be a good idea to get that latest update too
[21:56] <webchat2> Where would I get that? I doubt Dell has Linux drivers.
[21:56] <tomreyn> "kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: Bad flag given (0x1) vs supported (0x0)"
[21:56] <ravage> webchat2: sudo apt -y install intel-microcode
[21:57] <ravage> but that should be installed
[21:57] <webchat2> ravage: Correct, it is.
[21:57] <ravage> maybe install that .deb on github. it includes the file that is missing
[21:58] <ravage> for your BT firmware
[21:59] <jeremy31> webchat2: in terminal> cd /lib/firmware/brcm && sudo wget https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/blob/master/brcm/BCM20702A1-413c-8197.hcd
[22:00] <ravage> ok. the single file is a good idea too of course :)
[22:01] <webchat2> jeremy31: Is that all I have to do to install the update=
[22:01] <webchat2> ?
[22:01] <ravage> yes
[22:01] <webchat2> Rebooting, brb.
[22:01] <jeremy31> That will get the firmware but you will need to reboot
[22:02] <ravage> ^^
[22:02] <jeremy31> Strange having Intel wifi and Broadcom Bluetooth unless it is a dongle
[22:03] <tomreyn> driver was "btusb"
[22:03] <tomreyn> so i assume that's a dongle, probably
[22:13] <webchat2> Uh, this is awkward. The error messages disappeared alright. But now the Bluetooth Manager won't open.
[22:16] <jeremy31> webchat2: URL from terminal for>  sudo dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm' | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:17] <webchat2> https://termbin.com/bdvgl
[22:18] <ravage> it somehow does not like that firmware patch
[22:18] <jeremy31> webchat2: Lets get rid of it> sudo rm /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-413c-8197.hcd
[22:18] <jeremy31> then reboot
[22:19] <webchat2> Rebooting.
[22:19] <ravage> do we have a lsbusb output somewhere?
[22:21] <jeremy31> ravage: I bet it shows ID 413c:8197
[22:22] <webchat2> Back. Now it opened, but couldn't interact with the window, and an error messaged showed up that BlueZ failed.
[22:23] <jeremy31> webchat2: Is it a Bluetooth dongle?  If it is, unplug for a couple seconds, then put it back in
[22:23] <webchat2> No, it is a module.
[22:23] <jeremy31> Internal then?
[22:24] <jeremy31> Must be an older HP
[22:24] <ravage> on what kernel version are you? maybe it was somewhere mentioned
[22:24] <ravage> i think its a dell
[22:25] <Miles8of9> i'm running command "sudo modprobe i2c-dev"... i'm getting a new prompt below, no error, nothing... Running "lsmod | grep i2c" shows no i2c-dev loaded
[22:25] <Miles8of9> why?????
[22:27] <jeremy31> Miles8of9: That is because i2c-dev is built into the kernel and not as a module
[22:28] <Miles8of9> ah ok
[22:28] <Miles8of9> OpenRgb complains no i2c-dev module is loaded
[22:29] <jeremy31> Miles8of9: Check in terminal>  modinfo i2c-dev
[22:29] <Miles8of9> builtin...
[22:44] <ottosch> I have a PC which was working fine until a couple days ago, but now has network issues. I can't ping the router or <IP_ADDRESS> for example ("Destination Host Unreachable")
[22:44] <ottosch> how can I fix it?
[22:45] <jeremy31> ottosch: Start with a router reboot
[22:45] <webchat2> ravage: Correct.
[22:45] <webchat2> A Dell Latitude E6330 to be more precise.
[22:46] <ottosch> jeremy31: I can't do that at this specific moment (maybe in half an hour). Is it possible it's a router issue with this specific pc?
[22:47] <jeremy31> ottosch: The pc may have received bad info from the router
[22:47] <ottosch> jeremy31: ok, I'll try that soon
[22:52] <webchat2> ravage: Correct
[22:53] <webchat2> ravage: Err, the kernel is 5.19.0-41-generic
[22:57] <webchat2> Well, my shift is about to end. Thanks for the help anyways, I'll see how it goes from here.
[23:49] <ottosch> jeremy31: hey man, I restarted the router and still can't ping anything. Got any other suggestion?
[23:52] <ottosch> Ubuntu server can't ping router, <IP_ADDRESS>, nothing
[23:53] <sarnold> what error message do you get?
[23:53] <oerheks> is this bare metal install, or vm?
[23:53] <sarnold> does ip r  output look right? ip a ?  unexpected messages in dmesg? do you have link light on both ends?
[23:56] <ottosch> sarnold: oerheks: Destination Host Unreachable.
[23:57] <ottosch> bare meta install (mini pc)


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