[05:18] <WhoAmi00> hello ,
[05:18] <WhoAmi00> How to redirect requests for a resource that are not on the server ? ,
[05:18] <WhoAmi00> i have a website hosted on ubuntu 14.04 - apache 2.4 i want my website to accept only requests for files on the server and the others redirect them to another website , can that done ?!
[05:47] <Xhuin> hey all
[05:47] <Xhuin> can anyone recommend an irc server?
[06:19] <gvandeweyer> hi, I'm trying to install linux kernel 4.7.0 on an ubuntu 14 LTS server. So far all attemts result into booting into busybox, with the message that the hard drive (/dev/dis/by-uuid/....) cannot be found. the xenial kernel (4.4) boots fine. Any idea what I'd be missing?
[06:20] <gvandeweyer> It was a mainline deb that I installed. I'd like to try it to check if a bug is resoved (mentioned that it should in 4.7).
[06:20] <gvandeweyer> the issue is present on both physical server (dell poweredge) and on kvm/qemu virtual machine.
[07:53] <KpuCko> hello i'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS from USB pen drive to software raid & lvm, the problem is that on the 4 console (the log) im seeing errors like that: main-menu: operation not supported, and my installation fails
[07:54] <KpuCko> the errors are seen after disk setup, root & swap partition and starting installing the system
[08:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:58] <xperia> hi all. i have executed "apt-get dist-upgrade" and now after reboot i get the error message "init line 277 readlink not found" My server is not booting now! Can somebody tell me how to fix this problem so my ubuntu server start to boot again pleas?
[09:58] <ikonia> xperia: what version of ubuntu
[09:58] <ikonia> xperia: it also should give you a bit more info than that
[09:59] <xperia> ikonia: last line is /bin/sh/ can't access tty job control turned off
[10:00] <xperia> its 16.04.1 now
[10:00] <xperia> it looks like filesystem is mounted in read only modus
[10:01] <xperia> there is nothing else beside the cusor blinking
[10:03] <RoyK> xperia: try to reboot into single user mode
[10:05] <RoyK> xperia: once up with that, run an fsck on the root fs
[10:09] <xperia> RoyK: i rebooted with usb and i chroted the rootfs partition. if i try to do apt-get update i get the error message that command can not be found even i have access to all of my rootfs
[10:09] <xperia> i guess i need to mount usr too like it said to get access to my commands
[10:09] <xperia> on my rootfs
[10:12] <ikonia> apt-get update won't do anything
[10:12] <ikonia> we need more info about what part of the boot process is failure
[10:12] <ikonia> rather than little snippets
[10:12] <ikonia> an fsck as RoyK suggested wouldn't hurt
[10:16] <RoyK> xperia: umount your old root and run fsck on it - if it came up mounted ro, something is usually messed up
[10:17] <RoyK> xperia: and hopefully that 'something' is just some hichup in your fs and not your drive
[10:17] <RoyK> xperia: you may want to run a smartctl -H against the disk first
[10:19] <xperia> well it looks like the installation and upgrade from the last lts version to the new one 16.04.01 was aborted in half.
[10:20] <xperia> i chrooted now in my roofs and did again apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:20] <xperia> and got the eeror message that packages need to be reconfigured
[10:20] <xperia> doing it right now so installation can be completed
[10:22] <xperia> RoyK: will do this fsck too but now too late. wil wait till upgrade is finished
[10:25] <RoyK> xperia: you should never write to a filesystem with errors
[10:26] <xperia> LOOKS like i am back. i see again root login screen
[10:27] <RoyK> xperia: just for safety, run touch /forcefsck and reboot to give it a fsck
[11:03] <mdeslaur> rbasak: hrm, bug 1610765 may be related to the new migration stuff...
[13:52] <jonah> is it possible for two servers to share dns, so both have different websites on them but use the same two nameservers of the master server? so on the second server the domains just use the fist servers ns1 and ns2 and the sites are still routed through the first server from the second and load up properly?
[13:53] <bekks> jonah: what are you trying to achieve? With a weird dns setup :)
[13:56] <jonah> bekks: haha - well basically I have a server running and orignally wanted to add failover with an identical second server. I can't find a good solution for this though, so wondered if I can just run them in parallel. Both providing mail and different sites. I don't have any spare IPs so hoped the second server could somehow route through the first
[13:59] <bekks> two server, serving the same sites, and a dns loadbalancer.
[14:01] <bekks> And basically you dant do that with just one IP.
[14:11] <tuor> Hi, I want to use a ubuntu-cloud image but not with a qcow2 format, I need it in the raw format.
[14:11] <tuor> How can I convert it?
[14:12] <jamespage> tuor, qemu-img can do that for you
[14:16] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: as I managed not todo my ci tidy last week, did some catchup today
[14:16] <jamespage> backported some new revs for client packages for heat; rebased some patches, misc other bits
[14:16] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome, thanks :)
[14:16] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: I suspect the need todo another oslo ++ run
[14:16] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[14:16] <jamespage> keystone needs new oslo.db I think
[14:17] <jamespage> thedac, hey - I should have something approximating vmware-nsx packages for newton as well
[14:18] <jamespage> tap-as-a-service and networking-sfc packaged, but not uploaded just yet
[14:18] <jamespage> ppa:james-page/yakkety
[14:18] <jonah> bekks: well the dilemma is I've got a block of 8 ip on order which isn't ready for a month. so I wondered how to use both servers in the meantime...
[14:37] <rbasak> mdeslaur: I think that happens because the user has a locally modified apparmor profile and so it doesn't get updated with the new paths.
[14:37] <rbasak> I'm not sure what to do about that.
[14:38] <mdeslaur> rbasak: oh! I see
[14:38] <mdeslaur> rbasak: meh, he gets to keep both pieces
[14:49] <tuor> jamespage, thx. worked well. :)
[14:53] <coreycb> jamespage, do you have an opinion on bug 1607095 ?
[14:53] <jamespage> coreycb, hmm yeah I saw that one
[14:53] <jamespage> coreycb, does that not break dfs?
[14:54] <tuor> When my cloud-image VM boots up, I cant login. I have configured a user and a password in the user-data file.
[14:54] <coreycb> jamespage, good question, I've not hit it
[14:54] <coreycb> jamespage, oh.. we pip install setuptools for dfs
[14:54] <tuor> I have run the image in a KVM VM.
[14:55] <coreycb> jamespage, so no it doesn't affect it
[15:00] <tuor> Hmms seems like, there is no user created in the VM.
[15:00] <tuor> I have to check my yaml file.
[15:01] <coreycb> jamespage, yeah we pip upgrade pip and setuptools from what the default virtualenv gives us prior to installing anything with pip
[15:02] <jonah> bekks: is mod_proxy any good?
[15:03] <coreycb> tuor, ubuntu cloud images require ssh key authentication by default. can you just generate a keypair and use it?
[15:04] <bekks> jonah: Depends on what you want to do. Questions without any contexts are pointless, usually.
[15:05] <coreycb> tuor, might be useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/cloud-images-and-uvtool.html
[15:05] <tuor> coreycb, can't I login with tty?
[15:05] <tuor> coreycb, thx.
[15:06] <tuor> I'm using kvm and want to manage the VMs with libivrt. I can start the VM and I see it's screen, the only thing is, I can't login on it. With SSH, I need to know it's IP first...
[15:10] <coreycb> tuor, uvt-kvm might be nice for that, I'm not sure that virsh has the capability to find the IP, but arp might work.
[15:10] <tuor> coreycb, ok.
[15:11] <coreycb> tuor, uvt-kvm has a --password option too, but of course it's not as secure as using keys
[15:12] <tuor> To login with SSH I need a user to. The user didn't get created. I mounted the VMs partition and check /etc/passwd, but there is no user called "user" or "ubuntu" in it. No user with uid 1000
[15:14] <coreycb> tuor, hmm not sure, there should be an ubuntu user by default
[15:15] <tuor> coreycb, there wasn't. Maybe I have an error in my userdata file...
[15:16] <tuor> At booting up, after systemd started the journal service, there is no output on the "screen" for minutes...
[15:32] <dannf> jgrimm: do you know what version of libvirt will ship in yakkety? (2.1.0 is in sid, 1.3.4 is currently in y)
[15:39] <jgrimm> dannf, equivalent with sid would be the goal
[15:41] <dannf> jgrimm: cool - yeah, there's some arm stuff in 2.1.0 we're interested in - looking at whether or not to try a backport, will wait on that :)
[17:11] <jayjo> I have a crontab that I wrote years go that uses 'env - PYTHONPATH= ...' . What does the '-' do in this command?
[17:12] <Pici> jayjo: the manpage says that - implies -i
[17:12] <Pici> i.e. ignore environment
[17:13] <jayjo> ok got it - i'm going to switch it to -i to be more verbose
[19:01] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: oslo.db uploaded and a few other fixes.  CI should be back to blue now.
[20:53] <xperia> hi all. i am trying since hours to get fail2ban to run on a new ubuntu server but for some strange reason everytime i do "sudo service fail2ban start" it just start with the only one ssh jail and nothing else despite the fact that more jails exist in the conf file. what is the problem why is fail2ban not really working in ubuntu?
[20:56] <patdk-wk> did you enable them?
[20:58] <xperia> patdk-wk: OOHH looks like i need to enable them additional yes.
[20:58] <xperia> one second
[21:48] <MASM> Hello old my friends
[21:52] <MASM> Some one want to help me with my problem of raid1
[21:52] <MASM> error on md1 and md3
[21:52] <MASM> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22741284/
[21:53] <MASM> and this is an information about devices...
[21:53] <MASM> fdisk -l                       http://paste.ubuntu.com/22741359/
[21:53] <MASM> and information about md1 and md3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/22741501/
[21:55] <MASM> i saw that one device is not sincronized, in mails that i get some time mentioned md1 and other mentioned md3
[22:52] <MASM> http://askubuntu.com/questions/809823/error-raid1-not-unsynchronized-a-degradedarray-event-had-been-detected-on-md-d
[22:53] <sarnold> MASM: there's an <hr> in one of the code blocks
[23:06] <tomreyn> MASM: disk sda has been (or, more precisely, partitions sda1 and sda3 have been) removed off your two md RAIDs (md1, md3)
[23:07] <tomreyn> your system log should hint on why this happend.
[23:08] <tomreyn> if it happened while you did not change the configuration (MBR, grub, partitions) it is often caused by a broken disk (i.e. phyically damaged). check its S.M.A.R.T. attributes using smartmon-tools.
[23:09] <tomreyn> smartctl -a /dev/sda
[23:09] <MASM> sarnold: Thanks i re-edit it
[23:09] <tomreyn> smartctl -t long /dev/sda
[23:09] <tomreyn> smartctl -a long /dev/sda
[23:10] <MASM> tomreyn:  and what i need to do with that?
[23:10] <tomreyn> sorry the last line was wrong, should be just "smartctl -a /dev/sda" again
[23:11] <tomreyn> *IF* your disk is physically defect (use smartmontools to get a better idea about it, and review your system logs at /car/log/syslog* ), you need to replace it.
[23:13] <MASM> i got this message from `smartctl -t long /dev/sda` Please wait 118 minutes for test to complete.
[23:14] <MASM> if i undestand the command line show information about disk  this : smartctl -a /dev/sda
[23:14] <tomreyn> if it's broken: use hdparm to get the broken disks' serial number, power down the computer,  identify the physical location of the drive to be removed (using the serial number), remove it, place a new disk there instead (can be later).
[23:14] <MASM> this is for testing? : smartctl -t long /dev/sda
[23:14] <tomreyn> yes -t for testing
[23:14] <MASM> and when the test finish i need to run this : smartctl -t long /dev/sda
[23:14] <tomreyn> you should not start a self test until you have examined your system logs and the -a output
[23:15] <MASM> sorry, this for check results?: smartctl -a /dev/sda
[23:15] <tomreyn> yes, state, and test results, and how much longer for the test to run
[23:16] <tomreyn> any I/O on any disk makes the disk deteriorate. this is especially true for a disk which is already half broken.
[23:16] <tomreyn> look for a websiote which explains how to interpret the output of smartctl -a /dev/sda
[23:16] <MASM> i need to wait 116 minutes,  xD
[23:17] <tomreyn> only a few of these values actually matter, and their meaning can vary between models and vendors.
[23:18] <tomreyn> that's enough time to do what you should have done in the first place - review the -a output, interpret it, and moreover, review your system logs.
[23:19] <tomreyn> good luck, i'm off to bed
[23:19] <MASM> good bye men thanks for you help


[00:55] <megatlantis> hi
[00:56] <megatlantis> is someone here ?
[01:00] <megatlantis> i really need help for installing Ustudio :'(
[01:21] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, well, ask your question... there are 33 people signed in... maybe someone will know the answer, but no one can give it unless you ask
[01:40] <megatlantis> when i trying to install studio with a live usb , after the try-ubuntu was loaded , every usb port stop working , so my usb , mouse and keyboard can't work
[01:41] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, desktop computer or laptop?
[01:41] <megatlantis> desktop
[01:42] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, you said you're using a live cd. are you doing an actual "install" or just the "try ubuntu" option?
[01:43] <megatlantis> when i do a install directly , that not work , even if i wait 1 hour
[01:43] <megatlantis> i try make the install from the try ubuntu
[01:43] <megatlantis> but all my usb port stop after the desktop was load
[01:44] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, do the usb ports work in the "try ubuntu" mode?
[01:44] <megatlantis> no
[01:44] <megatlantis> that happen only with ubuntu studio
[01:45] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, is this a custom built computer or "store bought"?
[01:45] <megatlantis> ?
[01:45] <megatlantis> custom
[01:45] <megatlantis> q6600 with a gtx560 ti , 4go ram
[01:46] <megatlantis> work well with ubuntu and cubuntu ( i tryed both )
[01:46] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, are your usb ports built into the motherboard or are they on a separate pci card?
[01:46] <megatlantis> build in
[01:47] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, did you try unplugging all other usb devices except the keyboard and mouse and then booting into the "try" mode?
[01:47] <megatlantis> i have only a keyboard + mouse + the usb key connected
[01:47] <megatlantis> when i try to install with a ps2 keyboar
[01:48] <megatlantis> the installed say the usbkey no exist ..
[01:48] <megatlantis> installer*
[01:48] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, usb key? is this a wireless keyboard and mouse?
[01:48] <megatlantis> keyboard is wireless , mouse no
[01:48] <megatlantis> this is a live-usb
[01:50] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, so, if you use a ps2 keyboard and usb mouse does the mouse keep working?
[01:50] <megatlantis> when the try-ubuntu is loaded
[01:50] <megatlantis> every usb of my computer is like no exist !
[01:51] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, what motherboard are you using?
[01:51] <megatlantis> ha. ..
[01:52] <megatlantis> mis p6ngm
[01:52] <megatlantis> msi*
[01:56] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, which version of ubuntu studio?
[01:56] <megatlantis> 12.04 lsd
[02:03] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, sounds to me like ustudio isn't recognizing the chipset properly. I'm not sure what to suggest since I don't have much experience with using "live" cds.
[02:04] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, do you have the latest release of ustudio 12.04.1?
[02:04] <megatlantis> hmm
[02:04] <megatlantis> i have 2 dvd on ubuntu studio ( 32 and 64 bit )
[02:04] <megatlantis> when try-ubuntu with it , the usb work 1 time /5
[02:04] <megatlantis> so when that work , i trying install normally
[02:04] <megatlantis> but after the end , when the installer ask for restarting
[02:05] <megatlantis> there is a problem : after the load logo , i have a block screen
[02:05] <megatlantis> black screen
[02:06] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, do you have the latest version of the BIOS for your mobo?
[02:06] <megatlantis> yes
[02:06] <megatlantis> when i trying to back to a normal ubuntu , with a ubuntu 12.04 dvd
[02:06] <megatlantis> the ubuntu studio desktop started ... but with my usb no working
[02:08] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, overclocked at all?
[02:09] <megatlantis> no
[02:11] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, so your saying that going back to the operating systems that HAD worked usb doesn't work there now either?
[02:11] <StillLearnin> your > you're
[02:13] <megatlantis> hmm
[02:13] <megatlantis> when i'm on the usb-live try ubuntu desktop , the usb not work totally
[02:14] <megatlantis> when i'm on the dvd try-desktop , the usb work badly , i can make the installation , but after the restart , after the load logo of ubuntu studio , all i have is a black screen
[02:14] <megatlantis> when doing ctrl+f3 or somthing like that , i can't have access to the terminal
[02:14] <megatlantis> but can't login with any account
[02:14] <megatlantis> when i wanted to back to a normal ubuntu system with a ubuntu dvd
[02:15] <megatlantis> he asked me something , and show me the normal ubuntu logo .. then the ubuntu studio desktop
[02:15] <megatlantis> with nothing working ..
[02:18] <megatlantis> edit : when doing ctrl+f3 or somthing like that , i can't have access to the terminal --> i can have access sorry
[02:19] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, sounds more to me like a failing motherboard than anything else.
[02:19] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, sorry about that...
[02:19] <megatlantis> what is happen only with studio ...
[02:19] <megatlantis> why*
[02:20] <megatlantis> i tryed more then 4 different linux os and that work
[02:22] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, ok, maybe I misunderstood what you said before. Did you mean that booting from a usb stick gives you different operation then when booting from DVD and that both usb and dvd are using the same ubuntu studio image?
[02:23] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, and are you also saying that it is ONLY ustudio that has the problem. The other distros work just fine?
[02:24] <megatlantis> exactly
[02:25] <StillLearnin> hmm...
[02:25] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, and if you try one of the other distros now it still works?
[02:25] <megatlantis> i'm currently on a ubuntu distrib
[02:26] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, and you're typing this on the computer in question?
[02:26] <megatlantis> yes
[02:27] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, ok, my misunderstanding. I thought you were saying that no distros work since you tried ustudio.
[02:27] <megatlantis> ah
[02:27] <megatlantis> no every distros working , but not studio
[02:27] <megatlantis> hmm i repeat
[02:27] <megatlantis> all distros i tested working , but not studio
[02:29] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, sorry for my lack of comprehension. :)
[02:29] <megatlantis> my bad
[02:30] <megatlantis> and every distros i installed is from a usb-live
[02:31] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, since the problem isn't other usb devices causing conflicts, and it's not a pci card that is missing drivers, and no one else here seems to have anything to say at the moment, I'd suggest trying the mailing list or filing a bug report.
[02:31] <StillLearnin> megatlantis, sorry I couldn't help
[02:32] <megatlantis> :'(
[02:32] <megatlantis> i gonna retry again , then i gonna mail
[02:32] <megatlantis> that will be my ... 15th try
[02:32]  * StillLearnin removes the tooth picks from his eyes and falls into bed...
[02:34] <megatlantis> good night and thanks for help
[02:35] <megatlantis> that stupid linux live usb creator is not on linux -.-'
[05:06] <ailo> StillLearnin: If he comes back, if he's using Universal USB Installer, he needs to make sure to get the latest version
[05:07] <ailo> StillLearnin: They just fixed a bug which was making poor US live usbs
[05:10] <amigamiax> i wonder why these browsers take up so much memory? i see chrome is hogging 108mb and is not even on a page. and firefox is 117mb and only have a default page...sheesh
[13:44] <StillLearnin> ailo, thanks for the info!
[14:36] <thebishop> will US 12.04 support Ardour3 when it is finally released?
[15:02] <ScottL> thebishop: can i help answer your question?
[15:02] <smartboyhw> ScottL: His question is that will US 12.04 suppport Ardour3 when it is finally released.
[15:03] <thebishop> ?
[15:03] <ScottL> thebishop: i don't know the answer to that question at this time
[15:03] <thebishop> ok
[15:03] <thebishop> ScottL, bot?
[15:03] <ScottL> to include Ardour3 into 12.04 would require what is called an Stable Release Update (SRU)
[15:03] <thebishop> ah
[15:04] <ScottL> while we may be willing and able, it would need to be approved
[15:04] <ScottL> i certainly would like to see this include ;)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Me too:)
[15:05] <ScottL> but we would also have to test it to verify that it would even build in 12.04 as well
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Uh oh.
[15:05] <ScottL> i remember during the tail end of 8.04 i was unable to get the later versions of ardour to build at all due to mismatched libraries
[15:06] <ScottL> and getting libraries updated is difficult due to the nature of libraries and how they affect so many applications
[15:06] <ScottL> nevermind the security component of libraries
[15:12] <AcidRain2012> can anyone help me with using the firewire driver in jack?
[15:14] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i use it... i would start by issuing "gksudo qjackctl"
[15:14] <holstein> this would be for testing purposes... i would run jack as root, after selecting the firewire driver
[15:15] <holstein> looking at the messages should help you determine what the issue is (if there is any).. then start JACK as normal user looking at the messages again
[15:15] <holstein> share them in a pastebin if you need help interpreting them
[15:15] <holstein> !paste | AcidRain2012
[15:16] <AcidRain2012> firewire ERR: Error creating FFADO streaming device, this is my current error. let me run it as root
[15:19] <AcidRain2012> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170028/
[15:19] <AcidRain2012> same error as sudo
[15:21] <holstein> AcidRain2012: OK... whats in the messages window? is that all?
[15:21] <AcidRain2012> thats all
[15:22] <AcidRain2012> i have a presonus audio box. this works fine on my laptop running the exact same config. no need for jack
[15:22] <AcidRain2012> but on 2 of my desktops, it fails. and i am forced to use jack.
[15:22] <AcidRain2012> but still no success in getting it to work at all
[15:24] <holstein> AcidRain2012: unfortunately, i was going to suggest it could be the hardware..there are some FW chipsets that just dont work
[15:24] <holstein> you can look in lspci
[15:24] <AcidRain2012> holstein: and what am i looking for?
[15:24] <holstein> i have a few PCI texas instruments firewire chipset cards i save
[15:25] <holstein> AcidRain2012: you are looking for the chipset of your firewire device
[15:25] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i have a few that just dont work
[15:25] <AcidRain2012> holstein: what i dont get, is that audacity detects jack, it detects the audio box. it detects everything. i just cant record
[15:25] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i dont use audacity
[15:26] <holstein> i would expect when JACK is running stable, everything will just work
[15:26] <holstein> AcidRain2012: if audacity is seeing a firewire device, i would not expect it to work
[15:26] <AcidRain2012> well... although i dont have a firewire device... i have been told on google searches to use this driver anyways
[15:26] <holstein> AcidRain2012: ?
[15:27] <AcidRain2012> :/
[15:27] <holstein> AcidRain2012: if you dont have a firewire device, it wont work
[15:27] <AcidRain2012> hmmm
[15:27] <holstein> AcidRain2012: if that device is USB, then stop using the firewire driver
[15:27] <holstein> AcidRain2012: that will not work
[15:27] <AcidRain2012> it is usb
[15:27] <AcidRain2012> shit, ok. let me go back to alsa and see
[15:27] <smartboyhw> AcidRain2012: Why do you use a firewire driver, when you don't even have a firewire device?
[15:27] <AcidRain2012> everything loads properly with also, but no success still
[15:27] <holstein> AcidRain2012: you will want to use ALSA... you will stop testing with the firewire driver
[15:27] <holstein> AcidRain2012: do the same.. kill JACK.. start JACK with gksudo..
[15:28] <holstein> you will look in the 2 dropdown menus for the device
[15:28] <smartboyhw> AcidRain2012: Also, next time don't say foul languages here:)
[15:28] <AcidRain2012> smartboyhw: sry
[15:28] <smartboyhw> Only a reminder:)
[15:28] <holstein> if it were me, i would consider disabling the internal sound card
[15:28] <AcidRain2012> holstein: ok. i see usb audiobox as an option. i select that
[15:28] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i would consider not using JACK if all you want is to have audacity use that USB device
[15:29] <AcidRain2012> which options should i select? 1 is AudioBox USB. and 1 is USB Audio
[15:29] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i would literally test both
[15:29] <holstein> AcidRain2012: trust no labels with ALSA
[15:29] <AcidRain2012> lol
[15:29] <AcidRain2012> ok. here jack has started fine, with no errors
[15:29] <holstein> AcidRain2012: open a terminal and start alsamixer, and tweak there levels.. sometimes a channel can be muted
[15:30] <AcidRain2012> ok. i turned everything up with alsamixer
[15:31] <AcidRain2012> only a few labeled 'mic' was all the way down
[15:31] <holstein> AcidRain2012: cool... for the record.i did not say "turn everything up"
[15:32] <AcidRain2012> holstein: yeah i know :) just being extra safe side here. at this point i am getting help so i dont want any errors. once i find out that it works. then ill configure everything the way i need it
[15:32] <AcidRain2012> ive spent hrs on this -.-
[15:32] <holstein> AcidRain2012: you'll need to decide how you would like to proceed. if you are just going to use audactiy, i would disable the onboard sound card in the bios, and just use audactiy without JACK
[15:32] <AcidRain2012> hmmm
[15:33] <AcidRain2012> lets try it with jack first... but u seem confident that disabling the onboard sound card will fix something?
[15:33] <holstein> most of the issues folks have with JACK and alsa and sound is that the devices can jump from boot to boot
[15:33] <holstein> AcidRain2012: the device you just selected in JACK can change, you can reboot and it will not work
[15:34] <holstein> AcidRain2012: its not an issue of "fixing"... its like this.. if you arent going to use it, it will simplify the process if its not present
[15:34] <AcidRain2012> holstein: right right. i understand that
[15:34] <holstein> AcidRain2012: if audacity or pavucontrol sees a device, it will be the USB device you are trying to use
[15:34] <holstein> AcidRain2012: if JACK sees a device and starts, it will be using the USB device..
[15:34] <AcidRain2012> well... i wont be using the audiobox for output sound. just input
[15:35] <holstein> theres nothing the internal sound card can do that you will want/need when you have that othe device
[15:35] <holstein> AcidRain2012: sure.. that will be more complex.. and maybe you want to consider using the internal card alone for a bit, or the USB card to "get your feet wet"
[15:36] <holstein> if you are new to linux and linux audio, you are dealing with quite a few variables.. i suggest thinning them out
[15:36] <holstein> using multiple audio devices is complex in any operating system
[15:37] <AcidRain2012> grrrr.
[15:37] <holstein> can you? sure... should you? if you want to... i just suggest trying to learn JACK seperate from this.
[15:37] <AcidRain2012> so right now i should reboot and disable the internal sound card?
[15:37] <AcidRain2012> cause even after running audacity as root, and selecting jack connection kit. still nothing
[15:38] <holstein> AcidRain2012: its up to you... im only suggesting that, as i said, as a way to simplify what you are doing right now, which is testing the USB card with audacity, which doesnt require JACK or an onboard sound card
[15:38] <AcidRain2012> holstein: then let me restart :)
[15:39] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i also would not use JACK with audacity
[15:39] <AcidRain2012> what would u use?
[15:39] <holstein> AcidRain2012: just audacity..
[15:39] <holstein> it doesnt need JACK for what you are doing
[15:39] <AcidRain2012> oh right.
[15:39] <AcidRain2012> ok. brb restarting.
[15:44] <acidrain> ok. im on my laptop
[15:45] <acidrain> my dekstop is still trying to enter bios settings. it appears to be detecting all of the devices attached to it
[15:45] <acidrain> pretty slow process
[15:45] <smartboyhw> OK. we'll wait
[15:45] <holstein> acidrain: in my opionion, you wont need ubuntustudio for what you are doing.. are you running ubuntu on the other boxes? or ubuntustudio? xubuntu?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> acidrain: Audacity doesn
[15:46] <acidrain> on my desktop right now. im running ubuntu 10.04 lucid lynx
[15:46] <smartboyhw> 't need Ubuntu Studio for that.
[15:46] <acidrain> here, i am running ubuntu studio. and it works fine out of the box. but it has worked fine on every flavor of linux out of the box with that said...
[15:46] <holstein> acidrain: you can run that same OS.. you just need audacity for your needs.. and 10.04 will be supported for a bit longer
[15:46] <acidrain> on my other desktop, i am also running ubuntu studio
[15:47] <acidrain> cool, im in the bios
[15:47] <holstein> acidrain: one thing to note is, between the versions is where the hardware support can change
[15:48] <holstein> acidrain: ubuntustudio 12.04 and ubuntu 12.04 are quite similar, and share the same hardware support base.. similar kernels and same alsa version
[15:48] <acidrain> holstein, right.
[15:48] <acidrain> so in bios, i go to onboard devices configuration
[15:48] <acidrain> which one do i turn off :/
[15:48] <holstein> in contract, ubuntu 10.04 and ubuntu 12.04, though sharing the same name, have quite different packages and can have quite different hardware support
[15:49] <acidrain> i have a acpi 2.0 support, and acpi acpi support
[15:49] <holstein> acidrain: this will be hardware specific.. and is intended to "simplify" this process.. if you dont feel that it is simple in there, dont bother
[15:49] <holstein> acidrain: i would look for something that says "audio" or "sound"
[15:50] <acidrain> oops. your right. i hit wrong button
[15:50] <acidrain> ok
[15:50] <acidrain> HDAudio Controller is being disabled
[15:50] <acidrain> i now save and exit
[15:50] <acidrain> lets see what we got :D!
[15:51] <holstein> acidrain: now, when you reboot, the only audio you'll see in audactiy will be the device in question
[15:52] <holstein> there is no need to run JACK
[15:52] <luis_> HI!!! i iwant to set nautilus as the default file browser... what can i do?? :)
[15:52] <holstein> luis_: i would just run it as-needed
[15:53] <acidrain> hmmm....
[15:53] <holstein> luis_: in ubuntustudio, it should be already the default
[15:53] <luis_> mmm... when i open a file from the desktop it opens with thunar
[15:53] <acidrain> holstein, seems to be the same issue. i could always just select "audiobox usb: usb audio (hw:1,0)" as the recording device. it still doesnt record
[15:53] <luis_> :S
[15:54] <acidrain> i say "check check check" and it remains a squiggly flag line
[15:54] <holstein> acidrain: what are you expecting? what are you plugging in and how? i would plug into all the "ins" and test
[15:54] <holstein> acidrain: i would just hit record and start tweaking.. open alsamixer and trust no labels
[15:54] <acidrain> lol. im expecting my voice to be recorded
[15:55] <luis_> when i open a folder from the desktop i mean :P
[15:55] <holstein> acidrain: sure... what i meant was, what do you have plugged in
[15:55] <acidrain> i am plugging into only usb2.0 ports. thats all my ports
[15:55] <holstein> luis_: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1167149
[15:55] <luis_> ok thanks! :)
[15:55] <holstein> acidrain: for the mic.. the analog audio capturing you are expeciting to catch your voice
[15:55] <acidrain> i have several external hdds plugged in. but every usb port i have is a 2.0.  only device i have plugged in is audio box
[15:55] <holstein> acidrain: you'll have something plugged in as a mice, otherwise, you wont have a mic being captured
[15:56] <holstein> mic*
[15:56] <acidrain> holstein, i dont have an analog audio capture option anymore.
[15:56] <holstein> acidrain: then, nothing will be captured
[15:56] <acidrain> :/
[15:57] <holstein> acidrain: you'll need to have something going through the device
[15:57] <acidrain> so... i need to launch jack in this case?
[15:57] <holstein> you cant just say "test" at the box.. it'll need a mic plugged in
[15:57] <holstein> acidrain: this has nothing to do with software, or the computer
[15:57] <acidrain> omg lol. yes. i have the mic plugged into the box
[15:57] <holstein> acidrain: you'll need to have amic plugged in
[15:57] <acidrain> i have my mic plugged into port 1 of the audio box
[15:58] <holstein> acidrain: ok.. i would plug that in all the in's to test.. i would open alsamixer and tweak
[15:58] <acidrain> alsamixer gives no options now
[15:59] <acidrain> i press f4 to see capture devices. "This sound device does not have any capture controls"
[16:00] <acidrain> i press f6 to select sound device. and i selected usb audio box
[16:00] <acidrain> but still.. "This sound device does not have any capture controls"
[16:00] <holstein> acidrain: thats the process i would follow.. i would also consider that maybe that device needs a different alsa version, or kernel.. if it works "out of the box" with 10.04, i might just run 10.04
[16:01] <acidrain> ah. but u see. i had 10.04 on my laptop before. and it worked out of the box. i had 10.04 on my desktop, and it didnt work
[16:01] <acidrain> so far only my laptop has managed to do this correctly
[16:01] <holstein> yup.. and thats somehting you'll need to "figure out"
[16:01] <acidrain> :(
[16:02] <holstein> could be that you are selecting the incorrect device
[16:02] <holstein> its always a matter of just figuring out where the device is and how to configure it
[16:02] <holstein> its different per machine and per device
[16:02] <holstein> challening to have a "how-to" on it
[16:02] <acidrain> lol. but like u said. there isnt many options in audacity. at this point ive tried them all
[16:03] <holstein> acidrain: i can assure you you can get that device working
[16:03] <holstein> run in a terminal...
[16:03] <holstein> aplay -l
[16:03] <holstein> arecord -l
[16:03] <holstein> pastebin them
[16:05] <AcidRain2012> http://pastebin.com/yeLZG0gR   = command outputs
[16:10] <AcidRain2012> well... any more advice?
[16:11] <AcidRain2012> i honestly just dont know what to do. i only have 3 options in audacity. thats audiobox, pulse and default
[16:11] <AcidRain2012> none of which record
[16:12] <holstein> AcidRain2012: i think its config.. i think you'll find a config somewhere that is keeping your sound from recording
[16:12] <holstein> i would install pavucontrol and try there
[16:12] <AcidRain2012> pulseaudio controller?
[16:14] <AcidRain2012> well ill say this. lol. in pulse audio volume controller. i am getting a reading on the mic input for front right
[16:14] <AcidRain2012> but its like a constant jumping. no actual voice input
[16:19] <holstein> AcidRain2012: what are you expecting? the meter moving is good.. means you are likely able to select the mic somehow and use it
[16:20] <acidrain> im saying. the meter isnt moving to my voice. it is randomly moving
[16:20] <holstein> acidrain: right.. and im saying, since its moving, its using *some* input on the device.. just not the mic
[16:20] <acidrain> ooooohhhhhhhhhh
[16:20] <holstein> acidrain: so, all you have to do is sort out how to select that mic input instead of what it is using right now
[16:21] <acidrain> hmmmm
[16:21] <holstein> i would look for that in alsamixer or pavucontrol
[16:21] <holstein> i would not expect JACK to help
[16:21] <acidrain> i mean there are only 2 input ports though... could it be using the headphone? :/
[16:22] <holstein> i would have to have it in front of me.. i would not expect it to be the headphone port, though i can think of several ways to test and confirm that its not the headphone port that i would just do if i thought it were the headphone jack
[16:24] <acidrain> holstein, you are indeed right it appears. there is a midi input port on the back that i didnt notice. it looks like it might be trying to read from that
[16:24] <acidrain> if i tap the top of the audio box. the meter jumps to my taps
[16:25] <holstein> acidrain: the midi in is not analog.. its likely the meter is reponding to something tweaking the jack
[16:25] <holstein> whatever jack you are reading from right now
[16:26] <acidrain> well i unplugged mic. meter still jumps.
[16:26] <holstein> which, i would determine by plugging and unplugging, or plugging and tapping.. or tweaking the sliders in alsamixer and/or pavucontrol
[16:30] <acidrain> holstein, can u post link to send screenshots to?
[16:31] <acidrain> i want to show u what it looks like
[16:31] <holstein> i use imagebin
[16:35] <acidrain> hmmm. now for some odd reason audacity is not detecting the audiobox
[16:42] <acidrain> ugh
[16:42] <holstein> yup.. alsa might crash
[16:42] <holstein> gotta run for a bit.. bbl
[16:42] <acidrain> yeah i think it did
[16:42] <acidrain> aight
[16:42] <holstein> alsa or pulse
[16:43] <acidrain> alsa
[16:43] <acidrain> well both apparently lol
[16:43] <holstein> acidrain: thats what i was saying.. alsa or pulse crashed
[16:43] <holstein> you dont know which yet, or more importantly, why
[16:43] <holstein> i would check for and apply all upgraged.. try diffrent kernels and alsa versions
[16:44] <acidrain> well alsa is not working properly in audacity
[16:44] <acidrain> but in alsa controls, it appears to be working
[16:44] <holstein> acidrain: it wont work at all if it has crashed
[16:44] <acidrain> oh. it hasnt crashed then
[16:44] <acidrain> but i am doing a restart on it
[16:44] <holstein> and alsa is doing what it does.. try and support your audio hardware.. its the hardware interacting with the software/drivers that is the issue
[16:45] <holstein> sometimes its just noot constructive to work out what or who is "at fault"
[16:45] <holstein> just figure out what is causing the issue and sort it, and report a bug if you can
[16:46] <acidrain> ill keep working on it
[16:47] <holstein> yup.. it'll be a troubleshooting experiment at best.. presonus will not provide you a "how-to" and i cant either
[16:47] <holstein> i use a presonus firepod and it works great
[16:47] <holstein> lots of bang for the buck
[16:47] <holstein> anyways.. bbl
[16:48] <acidrain> perhaps i should invest in a firepod lol
[16:49] <holstein> nah... you dont want to buy more devices from a company that is not supporting the OS you are using
[16:49] <holstein> unless you do.. im not telling you what you want to do.. im just stating facts
[16:51] <acidrain> are you not on linux?
[16:52] <acidrain> im just going to have to conclude that if i have everything matching on my laptop here, to my desktop, and they dont work the same. that audiobox is not a good option
[16:52] <acidrain> but what can i say? i only paid 50$ for it
[16:53] <acidrain> im lookin on your firepod here. whats the difference in a mic line, and a mic instrument?
[16:53] <acidrain> my audiobox only has a mic instrument
[17:14] <reivajx> Hello there :), have a question, does anybody knows were can i start to search for "sync  iphone 4s and ubuntustudio" is there any keyword to start to google it? :)
[17:14] <reivajx> yes i can put that on google but...
[17:16] <reivajx> right, i found this , maybe will be useful fro someone ( practically i'd just talked with the bear hahah)
[17:16] <reivajx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1983171
[17:26] <holstein> reivajx: i would just not search ubuntustudio
[17:26] <holstein> i would just search ubuntu.. what are you wanting to "sync"?.. i havent plugged a cable between my phone and computer to sync anthing in about 4 years or so
[17:27] <holstein> i use dropbox to keep general things "in sync" between all my devices and computer
[17:31] <holstein> not that i would suggest running itunes in wine, but http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347
[20:01] <reivajx> holestein: ( sorry) i was on lunch... well just want to sync music and for the other stuff i think i can use dopbox
[20:02] <reivajx> just wanted to know if it was possible use something like iTunes , for that i can try wine as you say
[20:03] <holstein> reivajx: i would not use itunes in ubuntu... but i just dont like itunes
[20:03] <holstein> if you have music that has been purchased in itunes, you might need to go that route
[20:03] <reivajx> yes, well is just im just arriving to linux from osx / windows envirometns so i need to change a little bit my mentality :)
[20:04] <reivajx> *enviroments
[20:04] <holstein> there are plenty of options, and i think the first thing to realize is, this is not an ubuntustudio specific question, so, though i am not kicking you out by any means, you can ask in the more general and arguably more supported avenues of ubuntu
[20:04] <holstein> can you sync an iphone? the short answer is, theres no reason you cant
[20:05] <holstein> the long answer looks more like this.. theres nothing in ubuntu or any of the music players that is preventing apple from allowing you to sync things to your device
[20:05] <reivajx> offcourse i'm not feel my self kicked out :-) , but i understand what you say, no problem, i have found a big universe on linux so as you say a lto of option
[20:06] <reivajx> yes ur right is just need to see the things form a different point of view is all ;-)
[20:07] <reivajx> in the end with dropbox im more than served for my goal :)
[20:07] <holstein> reivajx: there was a guy in my local LUG that did a presentation on syncing ipods in ubuntu... it was quite a while back and wont be relavant now, but let me know if you dont get what you are looking for and i can try and find someone like that for you to talk to
[20:08] <reivajx> thanks a lot for that!, but i think ill be just fine now, thanks alot :)
[20:08] <holstein> reivajx: sure.. enjoy!
[20:08] <reivajx> ;-)


[13:06] <tosaraja> I must have faced every possible error MAAS can produce when trying to get this new ARM server online via it
[13:16] <mup> Bug #2007852 opened: allocating a small range prevents MAAS from offering DHCP <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007852>
[13:19] <mup> Bug #2007852 changed: allocating a small range prevents MAAS from offering DHCP <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007852>
[13:22] <mup> Bug #2007852 opened: allocating a small range prevents MAAS from offering DHCP <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007852>
[13:52] <mup> Bug #2007854 opened: Wrong path to .gpg file <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007854>
[13:55] <mup> Bug #2007854 changed: Wrong path to .gpg file <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007854>
[14:07] <mup> Bug #2007854 opened: Wrong path to .gpg file <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007854>
[16:43] <mup> Bug #2007866 opened: One of nodes did not deploy in 1800 seconds <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007866>
[16:49] <mup> Bug #2007866 changed: One of nodes did not deploy in 1800 seconds <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007866>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #2007866 opened: One of nodes did not deploy in 1800 seconds <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007866>
[17:01] <mup> Bug #2007866 changed: One of nodes did not deploy in 1800 seconds <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007866>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #2007866 opened: One of nodes did not deploy in 1800 seconds <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007866>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #2007868 opened: maas root vm-hosts read type=virsh returns Connection refused <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007868>
[17:10] <mup> Bug #2007868 changed: maas root vm-hosts read type=virsh returns Connection refused <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007868>
[17:13] <mup> Bug #2007868 opened: maas root vm-hosts read type=virsh returns Connection refused <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007868>


[15:35] <bAndie91> hi all
[15:36] <bAndie91> i have some generic questions
[15:37] <bAndie91> how can i make more flexible network up and down?
[15:37] <bAndie91> on a laptop
[15:38] <bAndie91> when i move between networks...
[15:53] <bAndie91> how can i make more flexible network up and down? on a laptop, when i move between networks...


[01:09] <snadge> hi guys, i've identified a long standing issue with dmraid.. the short of it is, dmraid can't detect raids with disks >2TB using promise fasttrak (pdc) metadata format.. (amd motherboard raid)
[01:09] <snadge> the fault is actually upstream (ie, every linux distro).. and herein lies the problem
[01:10] <snadge> earliest report of this issue is 2013
[01:11] <snadge> just log it against ubuntu in launchpad? and hope whomever packages it for ubuntu.. does the right thing with it? :)
[05:07] <snadge> anyone here?
[10:09] <Dmitrii-Sh> Hi, could anybody from the SRU team take a look at the following bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/qemu/+bug/1656480 The steps to reproduce are provided in the bug description but I can help to reproduce in case it is not clear enough.
[11:31] <rbasak> Dmitrii-Sh: please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure. I don't see it in the queue, so if you need sponsorship, #ubuntu-devel is a more appropriate channel. This channel is for bug triage, and the bug is already triaged.
[11:32] <rbasak> Dmitrii-Sh: the SRU team can only help once a sponsor has uploaded, and to ask for SRU team members use #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-release.
[11:33] <Dmitrii-Sh> rbasak: I see. Sorry about that - I will ask there instead.
[11:34] <rbasak> Dmitrii-Sh: no problem. But before asking for sponsorship, please fill in the SRU paperwork - see the procedure.
[11:34] <rbasak> If you don't have permission to edit the bug description, just add it in a comment and someone can copy it over.
[11:36] <Dmitrii-Sh> rbasak: I have "Impact", "Test Case" and "Regression Potential" fields in a comment. I will copy them to the issue description then
[11:36] <rbasak> Dmitrii-Sh: oh yes, you do. Sorry!
[11:38] <Dmitrii-Sh> rbasak: np -thanks for reminding though. It is mandatory to have them in the description?
[11:38] <Dmitrii-Sh> rbasak: I can always do that in the future - just have to know for sure
[11:40] <Dmitrii-Sh> is it*
[11:45] <rbasak> Dmitrii-Sh: no, it's only mandatory to have it. In description is preferred because then we know where to find it, but if we find it in a comment, that's fine :)
[11:46] <Dmitrii-Sh> rbasak: thanks for the clarification :^)


 But the ANC will always win , thats sad.
[09:32] <magespawn> i was reading this morning about TIER and OpenBTS
[09:33] <magespawn> maybe that is the way to take on the big guys
[09:41] <Kilos> hi SCR1845-6357A
[09:41] <SCR1845-6357A> Good morning Kilos!
[09:42] <Kilos> is buenos dias appropriate
[09:42] <SCR1845-6357A> yes
[09:42] <Kilos> i learned some mex from clint eastwood
[09:42] <SCR1845-6357A> how's it in af?
[09:42] <Kilos> hehe
[09:42] <Kilos> good here and there?
[09:43] <SCR1845-6357A> oh, I mean, how to say good morning in afrikaans
[09:43] <Kilos> use za instead of af
[09:43] <Kilos> zuid afrika
[09:43] <SCR1845-6357A> yeah, I know that hehe
[09:44] <SCR1845-6357A> why did they change so many names of provinces and cities?
[09:44] <SCR1845-6357A> from afrikaans to tribal languages
[09:45] <Kilos> new govt dont like old names
[09:45] <SCR1845-6357A> I heard that they're about to rename pretoria
[09:45] <Kilos> thats been a fight going on for a coupla years now
[09:45] <SCR1845-6357A> to some unpronounciable name
[09:46] <Kilos> its half and half Tswane now
[09:46] <SCR1845-6357A> twane municipality already or something, right?
[09:46] <Kilos> yeah
[09:49] <SCR1845-6357A> I once downloaded an afrikaans language learning pack
[09:49] <SCR1845-6357A> but never did proper use it of
[09:51] <Kilos> we had a yank here a while back that learned it quite well
[09:52] <Kilos> we have an afrikaans channel too #ubuntu-za-afr
[09:52] <SCR1845-6357A> wow I'll check it out
[09:52] <Kilos> not many peeps there thought
[09:52] <Kilos> though
[09:53] <SCR1845-6357A> only you, actually :-P
[09:53] <Kilos> wait i have something wrong
[09:54] <Kilos> hmm... inetpro what did i do wrong
[09:54] <Kilos> is that channel dead
[09:56] <SCR1845-6357A> maybe it is so at certain hours
[09:56] <Kilos> it used to be open all the time
[09:57] <Kilos> maybe it was closed through lack of use
[09:57] <Kilos> the pro will know
[09:58] <Kilos> maybe afk
[09:58] <Kilos> nope
[09:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:58]  * Squirm yawns
[09:58] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:59] <Squirm> Maaz: largest
[09:59] <Maaz> Whew do you want a bath full Squirm?
[09:59] <SCR1845-6357A> well, you'll see that in the za-aft channel none of us is set as mod
[09:59] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[09:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:59] <SCR1845-6357A> so, it should mean that it's open
[09:59] <Kilos> ?
[09:59] <Kilos> chanserv used to be there too. maybe i got something wrong
[10:00] <SCR1845-6357A> when you open a non-existant channel, the server automatically makes you mod
[10:01] <Kilos> superfly: do you know if #ubuntu-za-afr has been closed down?
[10:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[10:03] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[10:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:03] <SCR1845-6357A> some roobos with a drop of milk for me, please
[10:03] <SCR1845-6357A> :-D
[10:06] <Kilos> rooibos is very healthy
[10:09] <Kilos> how do you peeps get to know about rooibos tea
[10:58] <charl_> Kilos: they sell rooibos tea everywhere in europe
[10:58] <charl_> Kilos: i don't know about spain but it is commonplace in NL and DE
[10:59] <Kilos> great
[11:00] <charl_> in DE they call it "rotbusch-tee"
[11:01] <charl_> they even have an info site http://www.rotbuschtee.com/
[11:01] <charl_> "Rotbuschtee - gesund genießen"
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: why do you want to send people to another channel?
[11:01] <Kilos> inetpro: our afrikaans channel
[11:01] <Kilos> tell me if it was closed or not dont attack me man
[11:01] <Kilos> grrr
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: is it relevant to Ubuntu?
[11:02] <Kilos> well duh
[11:02] <inetpro> I mean your Afrikaans chatter
[11:02] <Kilos> what walked over your liver today?
[11:02] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:03] <inetpro> we all still small enough to handle things in this channel
[11:04] <Kilos> was the afr channel closed????
[11:04] <inetpro> even if it's Afrikaans here or there
[11:05] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk party keer
[11:06] <inetpro> Kilos: we still have #ubuntu-afr as a channel for those rare occasions when people want to stick to Afrikaans as a language
[11:08] <inetpro> Kilos: and it is not really meant for discussing politics or religion, these topics can turn into very hot debates very quickly
[11:08] <SCR1845-6357A> hah, thanks for finding it
[11:09] <SCR1845-6357A> charl_ and Kilos, rooibos tea is sold very cheaply here, many varieties of it actually
[11:10] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: do you also have all these flavoured teas that we drink? pickwick/teekanne etc?
[11:10] <SCR1845-6357A> I've got like 250-500 grams at home
[11:10] <SCR1845-6357A> hmm I'm not sure, but likely they sell them here too
[11:11] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: because in NL they usually sell rooibos mixed with other stuff, not plain
[11:11] <SCR1845-6357A> I buy it a little blindly
[11:11] <charl_> you can buy it plain but i have only seen it at the kruidvat once
[11:12] <SCR1845-6357A> well, I have the "cheaper" version and a more pure one which is supposed to be a single variety
[11:12] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: interesting...
[11:12] <SCR1845-6357A> so, you use to drink it too, charl_ ?
[11:13] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: i like to vary what i drink, not always drink the same thing
[11:14] <charl_> at the moment i am drinking green tea with ginseng
[11:14] <SCR1845-6357A> I can't stand green tea
[11:14] <charl_> this one: http://www.pickwick.nl/thee/groene-thee/ginseng/
[11:14] <SCR1845-6357A> I have several others, but not that one
[11:15] <charl_> green tea is like pre-dinner mayonaise, it's gooood for you
[11:15] <SCR1845-6357A> never tried gingseng, are they psycho effects felt as much as they say?
[11:15] <charl_> i never lost my mind because of drinking it
[11:15] <charl_> if i had to lose my mind it would probably be eclipse-related
[11:16] <SCR1845-6357A> but maybe felt greater focus or something
[11:16] <charl_> i haven't noticed, but maybe
[11:17] <SCR1845-6357A> I've heard that green tea is the one which has the most health propieties
[11:17] <SCR1845-6357A> compared to black white and red varieties
[11:17] <charl_> i like to vary it... then you get some of everything :)
[11:17] <SCR1845-6357A> agreed
[11:18] <charl_> i drink both coffee and tea but no soda
[11:18] <SCR1845-6357A> neither me
[11:18] <charl_> right now i am drinking kenyan coffee, has a very earthy taste
[11:18] <charl_> i'm not sure if i like it or not
[11:18] <SCR1845-6357A> lately, I begun to mix every coffe or tea with ginkgo biloba leaves
[11:19] <charl_> usually, i prefer this: http://dutchmailorder.com/product/dutch-fairtrade-products/albert-heijn-fairtrade-biological-coffee/
[11:19] <charl_> it has a MUCH better taste and aroma
[11:19] <SCR1845-6357A> oh, I thought that kenya was the original procedence site
[11:19] <charl_> oh yes ginkgo biloba is very good
[11:20] <SCR1845-6357A> I guess that you can even do marihuana teas :p
[11:20] <SCR1845-6357A> as you're on the nl
[11:21] <charl_> why on earth would i want to do that, that sounds dangerous
[11:21] <charl_> bbl
[11:21] <SCR1845-6357A> but have you ever brought it?
[11:23] <SCR1845-6357A> a friend of mine gave me some seeds, which I never sowed
[11:27] <SCR1845-6357A> now, let's create #ubuntu-zu and #ubuntu-xh
[11:28] <Golynx> bad password SCR1845-6357A >_<
[11:28] <SCR1845-6357A> it's a good one
[11:28] <SCR1845-6357A> it never fails
[11:29] <Golynx> you must be spanked! i dont want my password using drugs :/
[11:30] <SCR1845-6357A> hahaha I hate drugs
[11:30] <SCR1845-6357A> but I don't see sense on them being illegal anymore
[11:30] <Golynx> thats a good password :)
[11:31] <SCR1845-6357A> ;-)
[11:32] <Kilos> aha ty inetprothats what i wanted to know. forgot it was ubuntu-afr man
[11:39] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry if I sounded a bit harsh on you
[11:40]  * Kilos cries and sulks inna corner
[11:41] <inetpro> ai!
[11:41] <SCR1845-6357A> oh the drama
[11:43]  * Golynx gives a tissue for Oscar
[11:43] <Golynx> i mean Kilos :p
[11:43] <Kilos> haha you watching it Golynx
[11:43] <Kilos> all the news is about him
[11:43] <Kilos> ty for the tissue
[11:44] <Kilos> but i was joking, cowboys dont cry, they get even
[11:44] <Golynx> ya Kilos , but only on twitter
[11:44] <Golynx> yw
[11:44] <Golynx> lol
[12:26] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: no i have never bought or used marijuana
[12:26] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: if you use it in tea though that would be dangerous because warm water is rapidly absorbed by the body, i don't know what type of effects that would have
[12:26] <charl_> SCR1845-6357A: then again, i guess if you smoke it, you have the same problem
[12:27] <SCR1845-6357A> agreed, was just curious bout it
[12:28] <SCR1845-6357A> actually I hate people that is only into it because it looks cool or rebel
[12:28] <SCR1845-6357A> reciently some youngsters died on a uni at here by eating it
[12:29] <SCR1845-6357A> marihuana with eggs
[12:32] <charl_> lol
[12:32] <charl_> here you get all these shady sh*tbags that hang around those places
[12:33] <charl_> the coffee shops
[12:33] <charl_> and foreigners of course, tons and tons of foreigners
[12:33] <charl_> the only reason i want the law changed is so that we can get rid of the foreigners looking to get stoned
[12:34] <charl_> just because they are being opressed in their own countries they now come here and want to get high
[13:29] <Private_User> afternoon people
[13:29] <Private_User> and bots :)
[13:49] <WOLFEYES> good day all
[13:55] <magespawn> later all
[13:57] <Private_User> good day WOLFEYES
[14:07] <SCR1845-6357A> hi Kilos
[14:59] <Kilos> afternoon peeps
[15:01] <WOLFEYES> heya Kilos
[15:01] <WOLFEYES> hey Private_User
[15:01] <Kilos> hi WOLFEYES
[15:37] <Kilos> hi not_found
[15:37] <Kilos> have a good night there
[16:21] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[16:24] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:08] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos not_found
[17:08] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[17:11] <kbmonkey> is scr having problems?
[17:15] <kbmonkey> oh my it is only 19h15
[17:16] <Kilos> i dont think he is kbmonkey
[17:17] <Kilos> hi superfly did you say hellp to me today and i missed it
[17:18] <kbmonkey> hellllp
[17:18] <kbmonkey> I am stuck in a digital tubeee
[17:18] <charl_> hey people
[17:18] <charl_> i am watching a video of wietse venema about postfix
[17:18] <superfly> Kilos: no, not sure what you're talking about
[17:19] <charl_> this is absolutely fascinating
[17:19] <Kilos> oh sorry , hello i mean
[17:19] <Kilos> forgive the typo
[17:20] <kbmonkey> postfix? sounds like posix.
[17:24] <charl_> kbmonkey: you seriously don't know about postfix the mail server ?
[17:24] <charl_> it's like the de facto smtp server now
[17:25] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[17:26] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[17:26] <charl_> hi theblazehen
[17:26] <theblazehen> hey ChanServ
[17:26] <charl_> hahahahaha
[17:26] <theblazehen> fuck!!!
[17:26] <theblazehen> hey charl_
[17:26] <charl_> i feel like a troll now
[17:26] <Kilos> eeeek
[17:26] <charl_> problem ? :)
[17:26] <theblazehen> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> you to young to swear like that
[17:27] <theblazehen> Kilos, nope?
[17:27]  * theblazehen is getting R25k worth of hardware in around a weeks time...
[17:27] <theblazehen> Well not really FOR me, but I get to use it
[17:28] <Kilos> wonderful, what hardware
[17:28] <theblazehen> 4x R9 280x graphics cards, PSU and rest of PC stuff
[17:28] <Kilos> but anyway that word aint good here
[17:28] <Kilos> wow\
[17:28] <Kilos> you gonna kill bitcoin
[17:29] <theblazehen> lol, I wish...
[17:29] <theblazehen> on litecoin alone around $200 is generated every 3 minutes
[17:29] <theblazehen> shared out amongst everyone
[17:30] <Kilos> wow
[17:36] <kbmonkey> oh the mail server charl_, okay that makes sense. I have not had much dealing with it so I am ignorant in that area.
[17:37] <charl_> these issues with spam is amazing and how they are circumventing it
[17:53] <charl_> tlsa looks interesting, i haven't implemented that yet on my domain
[18:01] <charl_> hi Tinuva
[18:01] <Kilos> wb Tinuva you got split for a bit
[18:03] <charl_> hi captine
[18:04] <captine> Hi charl_
[18:04] <captine> hi all
[18:04] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:04] <captine> hi Kilos
[18:07] <charl_> hmmm this looks intersting: http://symas.com/mdb/
[18:07] <charl_> Symas Lightning Memory-Mapped Database (LMDB)
[18:08] <charl_> hi Golynx
[18:09] <Kilos> wb Golynx
[18:09] <captine> charl_, nice.  do you work with databases?  was little dissapointed that ubuntu are sticking with mysql (although it is the only one I really know how to setup...)  was hoping for MariaDB
[18:09] <Golynx> hi charl_
[18:09] <Golynx> ty Kilos
[18:09] <captine> hu Golynx
[18:09] <captine> hi
[18:09] <charl_> captine: as a developer i work with databases daily
[18:09] <Golynx> hi captine
[18:10] <charl_> redis, mongodb, couchbase, mysql, postgres, oracle, cassandra
[18:10] <charl_> etc
[18:10] <captine> ah.  what sort of dev work do you do?  websites, erp's, mobile apps?
[18:10] <charl_> mostly web-related stuff
[18:11] <captine> do you have a company website?
[18:11] <charl_> eh i work at a university
[18:11] <Golynx> charl_ thats a great list :)
[18:11] <captine> nice
[18:12] <captine> I think I should have gone into development.  Am an accountant by trade...
[18:12] <charl_> you need some of all types of people
[18:12] <charl_> doing tech as a hobby only is not bad
[18:15] <charl_> ok i'm off
[18:16] <charl_> have a good evening all
[18:17] <Golynx> i only know how to work with 2 of those databases, but then again its just sql at the end of the day :)
[18:17] <Golynx> oops Gone :/
[18:19] <captine> lol
[18:19] <captine> yip.  i just like the mysqladmin tools
[18:19] <captine> but lots of opensource ERP's use postgres, so I am trying to learn it a bit
[18:21] <Golynx> yeah mysql got the lion's share there
[18:21] <Golynx> i never touched postgres , will give that a try someday
[18:22] <Golynx> we just have to keep on learning new stuff if we wana be good at development
[18:23] <Golynx> but always good to stick with one key area too so you can be an expert in that
[18:27] <superfly> postgres is cool, it's like the open source version of MS SQL Server (at least, that's what you tell damagement)
[18:28] <superfly> these days I don't use a database directly, I use an ORM
[18:28] <superfly> and then it doesn't matter what DB I'm using
[18:33] <Golynx> hi superfly
[18:33] <Golynx> yeah ORM sounds cool, worth its salt
[18:33] <Golynx> hi nlsthzn
[18:34] <Golynx> the easier to use the better, and the more productive too
[18:37] <nlsthzn> o/
[18:38]  * Golynx thinks there should be more creative ways invented to spread the name of Ubuntu in SA
[18:45] <Kilos> i wonder if the varsity peeps actually use the freedom toasters or is it outsiders that go get ubuntu there
[18:46] <captine> orm.  not sure what that is.  will google
[18:48] <Kilos> inetpro i can do the tweet thing again. choqok seems fine in 64bit
[18:48] <captine> ah.  i see.  so are things like codeigniter providing "orm" type functionality, as if I recall, it uses methods etc.
[18:49] <Kilos> hopefully can do all upgrades after 11pm
[18:49] <Golynx> Kilos to me its seems it would be mostly the geeky type hacker/developer wana be type of people that will use that
[18:49] <Golynx> and ofcours for young kids that dont have pc's ,  they will be introduced to it via that toasters
[18:50] <Kilos> yeah Golynx but there are lots of IT learners at varsity
[18:51] <Kilos> they have rows of pcs there in the same room as the toasters as well
[18:51] <Golynx> but there should be actual applications that will become popular that should carry the ubuntu name
[18:51] <Golynx> yeah true Kilos
[18:52] <Kilos> they sit and play there on windows and the toaster stands all lonely in the corner
[18:52] <Kilos> twits
[18:53] <Golynx> hmm, that means creativity is lacking in the ubuntu corner
[18:54] <Kilos> yeah toasters need a chick in a bikini to attract attention
[18:54] <Golynx> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> same as at car shows
[18:54] <Golynx> make that 10 chicks in bikini's
[18:55] <Kilos> half the peeps dont see the cars even
[18:55] <Golynx> :D
[18:55] <Golynx> yeah
[18:56] <Golynx> the main place ubuntu lacks is creating applications that catch the user and keep them
[18:56] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[18:56] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[18:56] <Kilos> we use debian apps
[18:56] <Golynx> if that can be achieved then ubuntu will rise to the top
[18:57] <Golynx> hi Trixar_za
[18:57] <Kilos> it is rising slowly
[18:57] <Trixar_za> Hey Golynx
[18:57] <Kilos> cities in germany are running linux already if im not mistaken
[18:58] <Kilos> and our govt even threatened to go linux a while back
[18:58] <inetpro> kilos heh!
[18:58] <Trixar_za> An OS's purpose isn't to produce applications, but be a platform for applications to be developed on
[18:58] <Trixar_za> Anyway, WINE helps bridge that gap anyway
[18:58] <nlsthzn> OS's purpose is to give access to use the hardware to be able to make it useful via applications :p
[18:59] <Trixar_za> That too
[18:59] <Golynx> Trixar_za thats true, but that wont make ubuntu unique if it keeps leeching off MS
[19:00] <Trixar_za> You mean Windows - not MS. Other developers and companies produce for Windows - mostly because it's one of the defacto markets (the other one being Apple)
[19:01] <Trixar_za> Also considering the technology, I think MS has been leeching off Linux and it's children more than just a little.
[19:01] <Golynx> yeah i agree there
[19:01] <Golynx> aspecially the user accounts permissions side
[19:03] <Golynx> the biggest card i think for ubuntu could be the ubuntu phone OS
[19:03] <nlsthzn> ubuntu touch... coming very soon
[19:03] <Golynx> lots of potential there for innovation
[19:04] <nlsthzn> and I heard it will be world launch via the internet
[19:05] <Golynx> nlsthzn yeah that will be cool
[19:06] <Golynx> if there are many creative dev's out there to create truly user catching app's , then ubuntu will have a winner there
[19:06]  * nlsthzn might have to let go of his S3 early ... especially if the goal of Touch to have the top 100 applications for android, iphone and bb working in touch becomes reality
[19:06] <Golynx> still thats lacking though
[19:07] <Golynx> lol
[19:08] <Golynx> too early to change now
[19:08] <Golynx> better to wait until its stable enough like the desktop side
[19:09] <Golynx> but yes nothing is easy, and success takes time, if you play your cards right
[19:10] <Trixar_za> Never going to happen
[19:10] <Trixar_za> There's a reason for it - several actually - but it's a very long article to read :P
[19:11] <Trixar_za> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm <--- read it if you're bored :P
[19:13] <Trixar_za> "It is logically impossible for any thing to be better than any other thing whilst remaining completely identical to it" <--- extract
[19:13] <Golynx> lol
[19:14] <nlsthzn> makes sense
[19:15] <Golynx> no comment
[20:32] <WOLFEYES> Night everyone
[20:47] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight