[02:41] <troy_s> greetz kwwii
[05:17] <Viper550> Isn't there supposed to be a topic?
[05:25] <Viper550> Is anyone here?
[05:48] <kwwii> re
[05:48] <Viper550> Hi...
[05:49] <kwwii> howdy Viper550
[05:50] <Viper550> My theme for Edgy is almost ready, I'm just looking for a nicer splash screen
[05:54] <kwwii> cool, sounds good
[05:54] <kwwii> :-)
[05:54] <kwwii> the kubuntu stuff is almost finished as well
[05:55] <Viper550> Cool, did you change the bad looking buttons?
[05:55] <Viper550> * on the border?
[05:55] <kwwii> yepp :-)
[05:55] <kwwii> check the wiki page, I uploaded a screenshot
[05:56] <Viper550> The graphically intensive kubuntu-edgy-ideas?
[05:56] <kwwii> yepp :-)
[05:56] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[05:56] <Viper550> Yeah, I think I already saw it
[05:57] <kwwii> I have pretty much everything done except for a usplash pic
[05:57] <Viper550> I think it would look better if the Maximize glyph was smaller, and the Minimize glyph was smaller
[05:57] <kwwii> I was hoping that we could at least make the usplash pic for kubuntu and ubuntu similar
[05:57] <Viper550> Ooops, I meant minimize to be lower, not smaller
[05:58] <kwwii> ahhh, good idea
[05:58] <kwwii> actually, I did move them down one pixel
[05:58] <Viper550> That's one of the reasons I thought they looked a bit wonky
[05:58] <kwwii> but I was thinking about moving the whole button down one pixel as well
[05:59] <Viper550> So, move Minimize's glyph down a few pixels to the bottom of Maximize, and make Close's button bigger
[05:59] <Viper550> I meant Close's glyph, sorry
[05:59] <kwwii> I'll look into that
[05:59] <kwwii> I still have a few weeks time to tweak things
[06:00] <Viper550> Oh, in that second picture, I love those icons, what are they?
[06:00] <Viper550> They look like Oxygen...
[06:01] <Viper550> OMG! So that's what the KDE 4 iconset looks like on a Desktop!
[06:01] <kwwii> yepp
[06:02] <Viper550> Looks nice! But, the new folders kinda look weirder
[06:03] <kwwii> hehe
[06:03] <kwwii> not sure if we will keep brown or blue
[06:03] <Viper550> The ones on the about page look nicer, Blue and the fill style you used there is nicer...
[06:04] <kwwii> yeah, I thought so too, but everyone else liked the newer version that david made
[06:04] <Viper550> Maybe the 2 designs could be combined
[06:04] <kwwii> well, it is more a matter of perspective, I think
[06:05] <Viper550> I mean, the perspective of the current one, but make the fill style similar to the old one.
[06:06] <kwwii> so you like the higher contrast of the older ones, I guess
[07:14] <Viper550> kwwii: You said you wanted a Purple Usplash?
[07:14] <kwwii> Viper550: nope, didn't say that ;-)
[07:14] <kwwii> probably just a blue logo on a black bg
[07:15] <Viper550> Well, you did say that you didn't do the Usplash yet
[07:16] <kwwii> yepp, I did say that :-)
[07:17] <Viper550> I just did finish a purple version of the Dapper Usplash right now
[07:17] <kwwii> hehe, cool, post it on the wiki :-)
[07:19] <Viper550> kubuntu-edgy-ideas, Right?
[07:23] <Viper550> Post'd!
[07:27] <Viper550> Hello
[07:39] <kwwii> killer
[07:40] <Viper550> You like it?
[07:42] <kwwii> well, the problem with using purple is that it goes against the branding
[07:43] <kwwii> so I guess we really cannot do that without changing the logo and official colors themselves
[07:43] <Viper550> But note, on Usplash on Breezy, the whole thing was colored blue
[07:44] <Viper550> Never mind what I just said...
[07:45] <Viper550> We did change the branding going into Dapper's more deep bluish look, so we can easily do it again to our violet colors!
[07:46] <kwwii> they do not want to change the branding again
[07:46] <Viper550> Oh...
[07:47] <kwwii> note that I am using the blue logo on a purple-ish bg for everything else though
[07:47] <Viper550> Oh...might there be a way we can still have a purplish Usplash but maintain the correct colors?
[07:48] <kwwii> not too sure on that, theoretically it should be possible
[07:48] <kwwii> a very dark purple
[07:48] <Viper550> Or, Blue with a purple glow?
[07:48] <kwwii> that would work too, yeah
[07:51] <Viper550> I'm going to rig up something like that...
[07:58] <Viper550> But...how?
[07:58] <kwwii> cool, good luck
[07:58] <kwwii> ;-)
[07:58] <kwwii> kinda hard with so few colors
[07:59] <Viper550> I might wanna try modifying Breezy's splash...
[07:59] <kwwii> that will probably not result in a good pic, but it would give you and idea
[08:14] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:15] <kwwii> brb
[08:40] <Viper550> The new splash for my Edgy theme is ready: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic
[11:47] <Viper550> I finished the new splash screen for Tropic...


[09:49] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[15:47] <swift110> hey ChinnoDog


[00:54] <holstein> COOL
[00:54] <holstein> i think the 32bit is going to go through
[00:54] <holstein> the normal intall
[00:54] <holstein> install*
[02:09] <holstein> ScottL: you there?
[02:09] <holstein> ailo: ?
[02:09] <holstein> i did the normal install
[02:09] <holstein> task select worked
[02:09] <holstein> but the desktop was funky
[02:09] <holstein> the theme
[02:09] <holstein> let me reboot...
[03:06] <ScottL> holstein, sorry was out eating with family
[03:06] <ScottL> i should do an install later tonight after we settle down
[03:07] <holstein> ScottL: cool
[03:07] <holstein> let me know what you find
[03:07] <holstein> im on the 2nd one
[03:07] <holstein> the LVM encrypted one
[03:07] <holstein> 32bit
[03:21] <Kokito> howdy
[04:54] <ScottL> holstein, ack, it's already almost 11:00 pm here, i'll start it first thing in the morning
[04:57] <holstein> ScottL: yeah, im calling it a day too
[04:57] <holstein> i got 2 cases done
[04:57] <holstein> but the theme-ing looks funny
[04:57] <holstein> we'll see what you find
[15:12] <ScottL> ailo, do you remember the log you looked at when your install failed?
[15:13] <ailo> ScottL, Yeah...
[15:13] <ailo> ScottL, Did you install again?
[15:13] <ScottL> i did and it failed at installing software
[15:13] <ScottL> this is bad, very bad
[15:14] <ailo>  ubuntustudio-desktop: Depends on hal, but is not installable
[15:14] <ailo> something like that
[15:14] <ailo> I wonder why holstein was able to install
[15:15] <ailo> ScottL, Did you check the log?
[15:15] <ScottL> ailo, i can't remember the log location, that's what i'm asking about
[15:15] <ailo> ScottL, /var/log/syslog
[15:16] <ScottL> ailo, copy that, going upstair to check
[15:16] <ailo> You'll probably find it at the bottom
[15:16] <ailo> The error that is
[15:26] <ScottL> ailo, i have multiple problems with labavcodec52 and libavcode-extra-52 and a few other av packages
[15:27] <ScottL> i didn't see any thing for hal, but i didn't look either
[15:28] <ailo> ScottL, Ok. I never looked at the log for my machine install, only on Virtualbox, which would seem it wasn't about a bad burn at least
[15:28] <ailo> I didn't double check the image, though :P
[15:29] <ScottL> i'm going to download the latest daily image and test it as well
[15:29] <ScottL> if that fails as well then i will continue my freak out at that time
[15:29] <ailo> I will try too
[17:09] <ScottL> hi Kokito
[17:16] <ailo> ScottL, Seems to be installing this time. But, I didn't choose any tasksels in my first attempt like last time
[17:17] <ailo> So, I'm going to try with a tasksel again, and see if that causes a problem
[17:17] <Kokito> hi ScottL  and ailo
[17:18] <ailo> Kokito, Hi
[17:18] <ailo> Kokito, We're testing to install the beta 2 release
[17:19] <Kokito> cool ailo
[17:44] <ScottL> hi falktx
[17:45] <ScottL> ailo, i'm about to start installing
[17:46] <falktx> hey
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> ailo, wierd thing, last image which was from the qa testing had the purple background you talked about
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> the daily on i'm testing now has a medium blue
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> strange
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> but it looks better
[17:49] <ailo> scott-upstairs, That's strange. It was purple now during install for me
[17:51] <ailo> scott-upstairs, I was installing on Virtualbox and the theme fails on that. But, I'm pretty sure that it is related to Virtualbox.
[17:51] <ailo> I've had that before
[17:58] <scott-upstairs> ailo, this is where i got the image earlier today: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[17:58] <scott-upstairs> i selected all software and it is installing
[17:58] <scott-upstairs> i might have to leave the house soon for an hour or so though
[17:59] <ailo> scott-upstairs, I see. Well, I'm still using the one you gave me before.
[17:59] <ailo> scott-upstairs, That would mean it's been fixed, then
[18:05] <scott-upstairs> hmmmm, i made to configure real time priveliges for jackd which it didn't do before
[18:05] <scott-upstairs> i'm hoping this is good
[18:10] <ailo> scott-upstairs, Good thing you reminded me. Otherwise I would have forgotten to check that again
[18:25] <ailo> scott-upstairs, Seems like the install is working. Just need to do it on my machine as well to check about the theme, then I'm satisfied.
[18:25] <ailo> scott-upstairs, Did you have theme problems?
[18:48] <ailo> scott-upstairs, Ok. The user is in audio group. Forget about what I said about new users also. Creating new users is a different thing anyway. They get no sudo privilege either, so that's the administrators duty to fix that
[18:49] <ailo> So, what is missing is only a way to give users realtime privilege when installing from repo
[19:43] <ScottL> ailo, i successfully installed with today's daily build
[19:44] <ailo> ScottL, I had a succesful install with the image from the previous link, though I expect it was updated in between my downloads
[19:45] <ailo> ScottL, Looking at the links now...
[19:45] <ailo> ScottL, The one that failed was from 13th of April
[19:45] <ailo> The one that succeded was from 14th of April
[19:47] <ailo> The one I downloaded last was from a link /daily/current. The other two before that were /daily/<date>/, of which only 13th failed
[19:47] <ailo> So, I haven't yet installed the latest, which is from current, but it would be safe to assume, that it will work from me as well
[19:54] <ScottL> yay!  that makes me feel much, much better
[19:54] <ScottL> rock on, going out again, i'll be back in later this afternoon
[19:55] <ScottL> after i start some test for xubuntu and a dock, i want to start setting up for testing kernels
[19:55] <ailo> ScottL, Yeah, take a break. You deserve one
[22:39] <ScottL> holstein, ailo : when you installed did you have a network icon on the top right?
[22:40] <ScottL> of the panel?
[22:40] <ailo> ScottL, Let me check. I know there was a problem with icons
[22:40] <ailo> before..
[22:44] <ailo> ScottL, I need to install on a PC to see about that. The icons are messed up on Virtualbox together with the theme. So, I can't really tell. How is that on your install?
[22:45]  * ailo is burning a DVD now..
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> ailo, it looked "normal" to me
[23:02] <scott-upstairs> just as it normally does, i'll do a screenshot in a minute with imagebin
[23:05] <scott-upstairs> http://imagebin.org/148576
[23:05] <scott-upstairs> that's the same network icon that i've seen with ubuntu studio far as long as i can remember
[23:05] <scott-upstairs> this is from a full dvd install
[23:07] <ailo> scott-upstairs, It was pretty funny looking at that pic. It started loading, but then it reset. Anyway, I got a look at it, and looks normal to me too.
[23:07] <ailo> scott-upstairs, Just installing myself now. hmmm...
[23:07] <ailo> Got stuck at the part where the partitioner is supposed to kick in
[23:08] <ailo> Think this has happened to me sometime before. Maybe on a Debian install
[23:12] <ailo> BUT, the background is blue :)
[23:15] <holstein> ScottL: that icon was bad
[23:15] <holstein> and the panel was not right
[23:15] <ailo> holstein, Virtualbox?
[23:15] <holstein> ailo: i did one of each
[23:15] <holstein> metal and Vbox
[23:15] <ailo> holstein, And you had bad panel on metal too?
[23:15] <holstein> yup
[23:16] <ailo> What graphic card with that?
[23:16] <holstein> ATI
[23:16] <holstein> but, i didnt try for 3d at all
[23:16] <ailo> Could you try installing drivers too see if that makes any difference
[23:16] <ailo> On Virtualbox I think I get it everytime
[23:16] <holstein> ailo: i'll have to try again
[23:16] <holstein> all around
[23:16] <holstein> its gone now
[23:16] <ailo> And on VB there is a problem with drivers
[23:16] <holstein> but, i have one more case left
[23:17] <holstein> ailo: in the vbox one
[23:17] <holstein> i tried loging out and back in a few times
[23:17] <holstein> and the metal
[23:17] <holstein> i just did it the one time
[23:17] <holstein> could have just been a little glitch
[23:17] <ailo> What happens is that the gtk stuff fails for some reason, and falls back on the basic theme
[23:18] <ailo> Don't think that happens on Ubuntu no matter what
[23:18] <ailo> Vanilla, that is
[23:20] <ailo> The strange thing is that it only happens for the panel and the desktop
[23:20] <ailo> My guess is that this is because of some Unity thing
[23:20] <holstein> ailo: did you get iso's booting?
[23:20] <holstein> and installing?
[23:21] <ailo> I've managed to install on VB, using the 14th of April iso. 13th failed on both.
[23:21] <ailo> So, now I'm installing the latest on metal
[23:22] <holstein> ailo: i DL'd from that link
[23:22] <holstein> but the next day
[23:22] <holstein> maybe i got different iso's?
[23:23] <ailo> They do change, but I find it confusing when. I DL'd from the first link twice.
[23:23] <ailo> And got the 13th and the 14th
[23:23] <ailo> Now I DL'd from current
[23:24] <ailo> Link is */daily/current/* instead of */daily/<date>/*
[23:24] <ailo> The actual download link, that is
[23:24] <ailo> Not the link where you go to get the iso
[23:26] <ailo> holstein, This is the link I used now http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/natty-alternate-i386.iso
[23:40] <ailo> holstein, I'm installing now, so if I get this problem, I can deal with trying to find out what it is
[23:41] <ailo> Actually, should be doable from Virtual Box too :/
[23:52] <ailo> holstein, Mine looks normal.
[23:53] <ailo> ScottL, The install extra drivers icon is missin, though
[23:53] <ailo> (it's a white square with an x in it)


[03:00] <leaf-sheep> Hi folks, I hope I'm in right channel.... I'm curious.  I have Dell Inspiron Mini 10, which contains Integrated Intel GMA 500 graphics. (In other word, Poulsbo). Is there a remedy for Karmic/Moblin?
[03:20] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, did you read this link? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/
[03:29] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: Hi! Yes I did. I'm facing this issue when I did that. Let me show you the pastebin.
[03:29] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: http://pastebin.com/m74190e92
[03:29] <leaf-sheep> I read an article about "What a kick in the face" -- Intel to linux community. :(.
[03:31] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, it is not finding a package :-/
[03:31]  * rbelem looking for the package
[03:32] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, they are there
[03:33] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, paste your sources.list and sources.list.d/* for me
[03:33] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: Okay.  It'll be a minute.
[03:33] <leaf-sheep> netbook*
[03:33] <rbelem> eheeh
[03:36] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: Well, I can't get in. The screen is jerking off... As if tty1 restarts itself repeatedly... (I had this happening earlier with gdm).
[03:36] <leaf-sheep> As for /etc/apt/sources.d/ -- I used lucazade's script for that one.
[03:38] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, boot in single mode
[03:39] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: Be aware. I'm trying to install Ubuntu-Moblin-Remix (Karmic) on the netbook.
[03:39] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, ok, np
[03:40] <leaf-sheep> I'm not sure what you mean by single mode. I'm in the root console right now. (ESC at beginning of GRUB2).
[03:40] <leaf-sheep> The screen is flickering. :\
[03:43] <leaf-sheep> I'm going to take my puppy outside for bathroom and whatnot. I'll be back in 20min-ish. Also, I'm going to do a clean karmic install quickly and try the script again (using regular karmic, not moblin) and see if the problem still exist.
[03:43] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, you can enter in single mode by choosing the "recovery mode"
[03:44] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, ok i will be here
[04:01] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: In your experiences, which arch is more suitable for netbooks? i386 or lpia
[04:14] <rbelem> leaf-sheep, well, lpia is specific for intel netbooks, but there is a blueprint about this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lpia-versus-i386
[04:16] <leaf-sheep> "The lpia architecture is a maintenance burden for Ubuntu"
[04:16] <leaf-sheep> I'm going with i386 -- Packages are installing at the moment.
[04:17] <leaf-sheep> This really suck to have a weak graphic card.
[04:32]  * leaf-sheep installs Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix
[04:39] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: Done. I'm rebooting now.
[04:39] <leaf-sheep> rbelem: Want me to launch the script?
[04:39] <leaf-sheep> Basically -- Following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/ ?
[22:39] <derekS> is it possible to have UMR and UNR running from one installation? Just changing the DM?


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <christel> good morning lovely hugs
[07:06] <dholbach> hey christel :)
[07:06]  * dholbach hugs christel
[07:06]  * christel hugs dholbach
[07:06] <christel> how are you? :)
[07:08] <dholbach> doing well, thanks - how about you? :)
[07:10] <christel> unbelievably tired but well! :)
[12:49] <Glorforidor> Ello sexy people! ^^ I was wondering the Developer summit in Copenhagen is it for Monday TO Thursday or Monday AND Thursday? :)
[12:49] <Glorforidor> ups wrong channel :P
[14:22] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, around?
[14:22] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, could it be that since the move I don't have access to the wordpress instance any more? :)
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Hey dholbach I'm here:D
[14:35] <dholbach> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_8S7VW8IXM
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Yay dholbach :D
[14:37] <jvrbanac> :D
[14:37] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Yay Open Week!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I am a speaker BTW)
[14:42] <jvrbanac> o/
[14:43] <jvrbanac> hi
[14:43] <smartboyhw> hi
[14:43] <stadtfeld> hi :)
[14:53] <smartboyhw> dholbach, good dog:P
[15:01] <dholbach> questions from you guys? :)
[15:01] <dholbach> or a request for a demo?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> dholbach, demo maybe:D
[15:01] <dholbach> what kind of demo?
[15:01] <dholbach> what would you like to see?
[15:03] <smartboyhw> dholbach, you coding:P
[15:27] <JoseeAntonioR> late, but the stream is on ubuntuonair.com


[12:45] <cmaloney> morning
[16:05] <jrwren> good afternoon
[18:27] <jrwren> interesting thing about this 34" display. on HDMI with a USBC adapter on MBP I get nice display, but using tbolt mini display port adapter on old mac book air, i only get 30Hz. the mouse is choppy :(
[18:30] <cmaloney> wow
[18:30] <cmaloney> You'd think Apple would have that down
[18:35] <jrwren> well, the MBA is getting old.
[18:36] <jrwren> early 2014 model
[18:36] <jrwren> i guess it doesn't have the required DP tech.
[18:36] <jrwren> it has DP 1.1 and tbolt 1, but you need more datarate than that for 4k (or near 4k)
[19:17] <cmaloney> unrelated: tehre there is way too much salmon on the Apple site.
[19:17] <jrwren> oh?
[19:17] <jrwren> do you mean apple.com?
[19:18] <jrwren> and do you mean rose gold?
[19:18] <cmaloney> Yeah
[19:18] <cmaloney> Ugh
[19:18] <cmaloney> https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop
[19:18] <cmaloney> And this nasty pink color
[19:18] <jrwren> oh, i see what you mean.
[19:18] <jrwren> ich
[19:19] <cmaloney> It's about two steps from Dell
[20:19] <jrwren> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/msg/6231360642.html any country guitar players?
[20:20] <jrwren> two steps up or two steps down from Dell. That is the question.
[20:24] <cmaloney> jrwren: up, for now
[22:17] <jrwren> found my miniDP to DP cable... MUCH better. 60Hz


[01:38] <bluesabre> ScottK: would you mind ack'ing the extra released components in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1424887 ? at the least, the updated garcon and libxfce4util provide updated libraries with the xfce-4.12 release
[09:39] <jamespage> morning - I have a couple of FFe's that I'd like to get reviewed if there is a release team member around - bug 1423601 and bug 1426761
[09:39] <jamespage> pretty please
[09:39] <jamespage> :=)
[11:25] <sil2100> Hello release team! We would like to get opinion on whether or not we will need to fill in a FFe for the new UITK release that's being prepared
[11:27] <sil2100> It's a big release and the developers mentioned that there might be features changed, but only to fix long-standing bugs
[11:27] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/uitk12_final_vivid_landing/+merge/251578
[11:27] <sil2100> Will we have to pressure for an FFe in this case
[11:29] <tumbleweed> it sounds like it'd require an FFe. New features require FFes. Bug fixes only don't.
[11:32] <doko> tumbleweed, no, there are exceptions for stuff like firefox, openjdk, etc ...
[11:33] <tumbleweed> and uitk isn't in that list
[11:44] <bzoltan_> tumbleweed:  no application is using the UITK on desktop other than the SDK IDE what we maintain.
[11:45] <tumbleweed> then the FFe should be easy to grant
[11:45] <Laney> webbrowser-app
[11:46] <bzoltan_> tumbleweed:  tbh the FFe in our case would be a pure administrative overhead ... the UITK is pretty much on rolling release to the RTM
[11:46] <tumbleweed> then it presumably shouldn't be getting new features after FF
[11:49] <bzoltan_> tumbleweed: it does not
[11:51] <tumbleweed> then it doesn't need an FFe. The rules are pretty simple. Bugfixes that don't break other things, and don't introduce new features don't require an FFe
[11:54] <bzoltan_> tumbleweed:  I am the lander, I do not want to do FFe, because I think it is a pointless administrative overhead. So my opinion os not exactly objective :) So I am looking for somebody who's opinion counts in this case. I can answer questions about this landing.
[11:56] <tumbleweed> bzoltan_: I don't understand what you want. If your upload fits within the FF rules, there isn't a problem. You seem to say that it does, but you also seem to want someone else to approve it, sight unseen.
[11:58] <bzoltan_> tumbleweed:  I am only looking for second opinion :)
[11:58] <tumbleweed> and that's less work than an FFe?
[12:18] <ScottK> Not at the rate we're going.
[12:21] <ScottK> bzoltan_: Needs FFe.
[12:21] <ScottK> (I did look at the diff)
[12:22] <tumbleweed> generally rule of thumb: "Don't know if this needs an ffe" => it does
[12:30] <ScottK> I was pretty sure by line 8 of a 20K line diff.
[12:46] <bzoltan_> ScottK: tumbleweed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1427662
[12:52] <ScottK> bzoltan_: Approved.
[12:58] <bzoltan_> ScottK: Thank you
[15:54] <zul> can i get an ack for python-eventlet 0.7.0 FFE please (#1424639)
[19:50] <cyphermox> could someone please take a look at console-setup-freebsd, removing it so that console-setup can complete its transition to -release?
[19:57] <infinity> cyphermox: Yeahp.
[19:59] <cyphermox> infinity: thanks. good morning :)
[20:00] <infinity> cyphermox: FWIW, changing the Depends lines seems like unnecessary delta.
[20:00] <infinity> cyphermox: "Depends: foo | bar" when only foo is in Ubuntu is fine, after all.
[20:01] <infinity> cyphermox: Also, you didn't drop the freebsd udebs...
[20:01] <cyphermox> infinity: I'd like to make all of it unnecessary, will propose debian to make console-setup-freebsd Arch: kfreebsd-any.
[20:01] <cyphermox> infinity: the freebsd udebs are fine, really
[20:01] <infinity> cyphermox: Why the deb, but not the udebs?
[20:01] <cyphermox> deb is uninstallable due to vidcontrol, kbdcontrol being uninstallable.
[20:02] <cyphermox> the udebs people could use if they really wanted to, I guess
[20:02] <cyphermox> I mean, really, really wanted to
[20:02] <infinity> Fair enough.
[20:03] <infinity> Should sort itself on the next britnification.
[20:03] <cyphermox> thanks
[22:47] <ari-tczew> could someone take a loon on package osm-gps-map/1.0.2-2 what's wrong with that in -proposed? It contains RC bug fix.
[22:49] <infinity> Trying easy from autohinter: osm-gps-map/1.0.2-2 gnuais/0.3.2-1
[22:49] <infinity> leading: osm-gps-map,gnuais
[22:49] <infinity> start: 158+0: a-48:a-22:a-23:i-22:p-21:p-22
[22:49] <infinity> orig: 158+0: a-48:a-22:a-23:i-22:p-21:p-22
[22:49] <infinity> easy: 159+0: a-49:a-22:a-23:i-22:p-21:p-22
[22:49] <infinity>     * amd64: gpxviewer
[22:49] <infinity> FAILED
[22:49] <infinity> ari-tczew: You could read update_output.txt as well as I can to sort out what that means, I suspect.
[22:50] <infinity> ari-tczew: (That's saying that updating those packages breaks gpxviewer)
[22:52] <ari-tczew> infinity: right, I forgot about proposed-migration


[06:05] <JDStone> when a friend of mine unplugs his power adapter from his laptop, it goes into standby, any ideas?
[07:18] <pitti> Good morning
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti & mvo : morning o/
[07:51] <mvo> hey didrocks
[07:56] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:12]  * Amaranth tries again here
[08:12] <Amaranth> $ ls -lh /var/log/syslog
[08:12] <Amaranth> -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 329M 2009-03-11 02:50 /var/log/syslog
[08:12] <Amaranth> pulseaudio can stop DoS'ing me now
[08:12] <pitti> ^  see #ubuntu-devel
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[08:25] <seb128> hello pitti
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: I looked at the log for bug 340508
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: "Report is a duplicate of #329289 (not fixed yet)"
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: I guess marking as duplicate failed because the alleged master bug is also a duplicate
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: I thought I fixed that a while, but it seems that something broke there
[08:26] <seb128> pitti: wasn't it supposed to follow the chain of duplicates?
[08:26] <pitti> s/a while/& ago/
[08:27] <seb128> slomo: hey, let me know when you are around to talk about this gst bug ;-)
[08:38] <seb128> slomo: new bug for you
[08:38] <seb128> slomo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/340800
[08:38] <seb128> ups
[08:38] <seb128> slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574898
[08:39] <seb128> slomo: this one has a debug stacktrace with gst-ffmpeg rebuilt to not use the system copy
[08:40] <seb128> slomo: I'm looking at getting infos for the other one, you don't get the "WARNING **: Failed to retrieve channel layout from caps." either
[08:41] <slomo> i'll take a look
[08:41] <slomo> that warning is not a problem though
[08:41] <seb128> slomo: in fact those have the same stacktrace
[08:41] <seb128> slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574870 updated too
[08:42] <seb128> slomo: we get a lot of similar crashers in jaunty, I reassigned 15 at least this week, sirestart says those are rather gst-ffmpeg bugs than ffmpeg since ffplay doesn't have the issue
[08:43] <slomo> yeah, looks familiar... could you retry with gst-ffmpeg from debian/unstable? at least the aac bug is fixed there, the memset() one probably too
[08:43] <seb128> slomo: the one uploaded yesterday? I synced whatever was current some days ago
[08:44] <seb128> slomo: trying
[08:44] <seb128> slomo: btw should be sync the new gst-plugins-ugly version? ;-)
[08:44] <slomo> yes, the one i've uploaded yesterday
[08:45] <seb128> slomo: building it locally to try right now
[08:45] <slomo> not sure... you should sync ugly/bad/ffmpeg if possible but there are new features and a million bugfixes ;)
[08:45] <seb128> slomo: we still have over a month before jaunty and those are in universe, seems rather a good deal to get the million bugfixes
[08:45] <seb128> what do you think?
[08:47] <seb128> slomo: ok, new gst-ffmpeg fixes those bugs, let me close them now ;-)
[08:47] <slomo> then sync it... there's a known regression with seeking in mpeg files in -bad but a patch is already in bugzilla and will be in next pre-release on friday
[08:47] <seb128> ok good
[08:49] <seb128> slomo: oh and did you read bugs about dvd playing in totem-gstreamer not working with current versions?
[08:51] <slomo> seb128: no... what are the symptoms?
[08:51] <seb128> slomo: let me look at the bugs
[08:52] <seb128> slomo: hum, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23125176/gst-plugins-bad0.10_0.10.10-1_0.10.10-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, somebody uploaded that to ubuntu ... would it make sense to get into debian too?
[08:52] <seb128> the new celt is not in debian
[08:52] <slomo> seb128: oh, no but it should go upstream :)
[08:53] <seb128> right
[08:53] <slomo> damn, i've assigned myself to the bug with that patch and forgot about it
[08:53] <slomo> :=
[08:53] <slomo> :)
[08:54] <didrocks> hey seb128 o/
[08:54] <didrocks> and slomo too ;)
[08:54] <seb128> hey didrocks
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks: could you resync gst-plugins-bad0.10 on debian? it's in universe so you can upload
[08:54] <slomo> hi didrocks
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks: there is just the trivial change I pointed to apply over the new version
[08:55] <didrocks> seb128: no pb, will do it a little later. "trivial change I pointed to apply"?
[08:56] <seb128> didrocks: cf the diff.gz url I copied some lines ago
[08:56] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I'm backlogging :)
[08:59] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:59] <seb128> slomo: bug #338321 is the dvd issue, I need to test there
[09:20] <seb128> pitti: you broke gnome-utils!
[09:20] <pitti> oh, uh, what?
[09:21] <seb128> pitti: the current version doesn't do schemas registration at all in its postinst -> gnome-system-log crash on start with fresh config
[09:21] <seb128> pitti: I'm looking into it
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: is that dh_gconf?
[09:22] <seb128> pitti: yes
[09:22] <pitti> darn, sorry
[09:22] <pitti> I did debdiff, but didn't compare postinst
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: want me to fix it?
[09:22] <seb128> pitti: that's ok, I'm on it ;-)
[09:22]  * pitti hugs seb128, merci
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: darn, then I need to go back putting together the new gnome-themes-extras and wrestle with autobreak
[09:23] <seb128> pitti: you're welcome
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: perhaps gnome.mk should add dh_gonf..
[09:23] <seb128> pitti: good luck with that
[09:23] <seb128> pitti: it does, I'm looking at why that doesn't work ...
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: I'll need it
[09:23] <lool> asac: help!
[09:23] <lool> asac: My wlan1 wifi card is now seen as unmanaged
[09:23] <lool> asac: And I can't get it to be managed by NM again
[09:24] <lool> asac: I had it in /etc/network/interfaces for some minutes this morning, but even with everything commented out in /e/n/i, NM still says it's unmanaged
[09:24] <seb128> pitti: I'm wondering if that's due to the cdbs rules order, I think gnome.mk needs to be after debhelper.mk
[09:24]  * seb128 tries
[09:24] <lool> asac: I thought it cached this somewhere, but can't find where
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: ah, good point
[09:25] <pitti> seb128: I'm used to put the class first, and then the rules, but indeed that might not work with current gnome.mk
[09:25] <asac> lool: sudo killall nm-system-settings
[09:26] <asac> and yes. NetworkManager init should get a "reload" command
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: gnome.mk should perhaps do them in binary-post-install then, but if flipping include order around, it's fine for now
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: binary-install calls dh_install
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: could you try changing binary-install/%: to binary-post-install/%: in /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk and a no-change rebuild of gnome-utils?
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: I'm just afraid that there might be other packages which have that trap
[09:27] <seb128> pitti: lemme try
[09:28] <lool> asac: THANKS!
[09:29] <lool> asac: I don't quite understand why restart doesn't do that though?
[09:30] <asac> lool: because thats how it is ;) ... its definitly a missing feature and should be done, yes.
[09:34] <lool> asac: Ok; thanks!
[09:36] <seb128> hum
[09:36] <seb128> didrocks, mvo, pitti:
[09:36] <seb128> bzr: ERROR: No module named bzrtools.upstream_import
[09:36] <seb128> You may need to install this Python library separately.
[09:37] <seb128> what do I do to fix that?
[09:37] <seb128> pitti: the cdbs change you suggested makes not difference
[09:38]  * pochu didn't know the "check for notifications" patches are not UI changes :-)
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: does dh_gconf get called in the build log at all?
[09:38] <pochu> so no UI freeze exception required
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: bzr error> what did you try?
[09:38] <seb128> pitti: bzr-buildpackage
[09:38] <seb128> pitti:
[09:38] <seb128> $ grep dh_gconf gnome-utils_2.25.92-0ubuntu2_i386.build
[09:39] <seb128> $
[09:39] <seb128> pitti: I did dist-upgrade yesterday, perhaps another python-* screwage
[09:41] <mvo> anyone familar with the latest pycentral ? it complains loudly that Python-Versions is not defined, yet I do define it in the debian/control file (trying to fix python-ropemacs)
[09:41] <seb128> mvo: don't talk to me about python, that's not good for my nerves ;-)
[09:42] <seb128> mvo: btw if you have any idea about the bzr-buildpackage error I just copied ...
[09:42] <seb128> james_w: ^
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: hm, works here..
[09:43] <mvo> seb128: you have the latest bzrtools installed I assume :) ?
[09:43] <seb128> $ python -c 'import bzrtools'
[09:43] <seb128> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:43] <seb128>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
[09:43] <seb128> ImportError: No module named bzrtools
[09:43] <mvo> grrrrr python grrr
[09:43] <seb128> $ dpkg -l bzrtools | grep ^ii
[09:43] <seb128> ii  bzrtools
[09:43] <seb128> current version yes
[09:43] <mvo> heh :)
[09:43] <seb128> hate hate python
[09:43] <mvo> maybe its yet anohter python crazyness
[09:44] <mvo> what does ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-package/bzrtools show?
[09:44] <seb128> $ ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-package/bzrtools
[09:44] <seb128> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-package/bzrtools: No such file or directory
[09:44] <mvo> hm
[09:45] <mvo> try bzrlib ?
[09:45] <seb128> that works
[09:45] <mvo> and there plugins (in that
[09:45] <seb128> $ python -c "import bzrlib"
[09:45] <mvo> is there a dir for bzrtools ?
[09:45] <seb128> $
[09:45] <seb128> doh, typo in your line
[09:45] <mvo> oh, sorry
[09:46] <seb128> no bzrtools dir
[09:46] <seb128> are you interested to debug that or should I just reinstall the package?
[09:46] <seb128> I guess that will fix it
[09:47] <mvo> seb128: a moment of debugging would be nice
[09:47] <mvo> seb128: what is the output of dpkg -L bzrtools ? could you pastebin that?
[09:48] <seb128> $ ls /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzr*
[09:48] <seb128> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzr*: No such file or directory
[09:48] <mvo> ls -l /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins
[09:48] <mvo> woah
[09:48] <seb128> $ dpkg -L bzrtools | grep pyshared | grep bzrtools
[09:48] <seb128> /usr/share/pyshared/bzrlib/plugins/bzrtools
[09:48] <seb128> ...
[09:48] <mvo> so python did not create the symlinks for you
[09:49] <seb128> I did clean python2.4 yesterday
[09:49] <seb128> and he did a bunch of "refreshing symlinks" round
[09:49] <seb128> he -> it
[09:49] <seb128> I'm wondering if that broke those
[09:49] <mvo> heh
[09:49] <mvo> could you check /var/log/apt/term.log ?
[09:49] <seb128> clean = sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:49] <mvo> that would be fun indeed
[09:50] <seb128> Unlinking and removing bytecode for runtime python2.4
[09:50] <seb128> ...
[09:50] <seb128>     bzrtools: >= 2.4 (['install', 'ok', 'installed'])
[09:50] <seb128> but not details
[09:51] <mvo> let me try it here
[09:51] <mvo> just go ahead with the reinstall, but it might be worthwhile to report a bug
[09:52] <mvo> I don't think you are the only one who will run into it
[09:52] <seb128> mvo: I don't really need it right now so I can keep it broken for the day
[10:03] <mvo> I think I found the problem now, if there is a version installed with Python-version, pycentral is unable to recover *ever* it seems
[10:03] <seb128> what?
[10:03] <mvo> and bonus points for dpkg --remove --force-all python-ropemacs not work too
[10:03] <seb128> mvo: you get the bug too?
[10:03] <mvo> this is a different one
[10:03] <mvo> with python-ropemacs
[10:04] <mvo> that fails to install/remove everything for me
[10:04] <crevette> seb128, if you update gnome-icon-theme, it seems there is a bug where the spinner name has changed, and may broke for application using it
[10:04] <seb128> crevette: I'm not main is frozen for alpha6 mostly now
[10:04] <mvo> but like i said, not just "fail", break everything forever
[10:04] <seb128> urg
[10:05] <crevette> :)
[10:05] <seb128> mvo: if you open a bug can you give me the number please
[10:05] <seb128> crevette: can you let dobey know so it's fixed for 2.26?
[10:05] <crevette> we're still investagating on #gnomefr :)
[10:05] <mvo> seb128: its a different one from what you have
[10:05] <seb128> mvo: ok
[10:14] <mvo> its even better, the package can not even be upgraded to a fixed version
[10:14] <seb128> ...
[11:03] <crevette> seb128, about the g-icon-theme problem, the bug was on nemiver code
[11:04] <seb128> crevette: ok good
[12:06]  * kenvandine waves
[12:29] <pochu> +				if (strcmp ((char*)c->data, "actions")) {
[12:29] <pochu> +					supports_actions = TRUE;
[12:29] <pochu> I think I missed an "!" in that if...
[12:29] <pochu> I was getting crazy as to why Liferea keeped showing those weird dialogs :)
[12:35] <kenvandine_wk> pochu: hehe
[12:35] <kenvandine_wk> bryce: i see your intel driver build failed in  your ppa
[12:36] <kenvandine_wk> bryce: no rush... but is that something you are going to fix soon?
[12:36] <pochu> kenvandine_wk: btw slangasek has told me he doesn't things this changes need UI exceptions FWIW
[12:36]  * kenvandine_wk is trying to decide if he wants to edit his xorg.conf or not :)
[12:36] <kenvandine_wk> pochu: ok
[12:40] <pochu> kenvandine_wk: it was exactly that, works fine now :)
[12:45] <pochu> seb128, asac: hi, could you have a look at my liferea update? The new upstream release is bugfix-only, it works fine here, and the notifications patch seems to DTRT :) http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/liferea_1.4.26-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:47] <asac> pochu: i can look after lunch. waiting for someone to pick me up so not sure yet when that will be (hopefully soon ;))
[12:48]  * kenvandine_wk is happy that his new laptop is much faster than his desktop :)
[12:48]  * kenvandine_wk hugs the t400!
[12:50] <pochu> asac: no hurry, thanks!
[12:50] <asac> pochu: why didnt upstream include the patch?
[12:50] <pochu> asac: it's in trunk only
[12:51] <asac> pochu: k
[13:04] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: ping
[13:04] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: hi
[13:04] <kenvandine_wk> hey
[13:05] <kenvandine_wk> so libgda4.0, there are symbols removed without versioned sonames
[13:05] <kenvandine_wk> just for the providers
[13:05] <kenvandine_wk> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-10 16:11 libgda-mysql.so
[13:05] <kenvandine_wk> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-10 16:11 libgda-postgres.so
[13:05] <kenvandine_wk> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0   5352 2009-03-10 16:11 libgda-sqlite.so
[13:06] <seb128> where are those installed?
[13:06] <seb128> if they are not public libraries that's ok
[13:06] <kenvandine_wk>  /usr/lib/libgda-4.0/providers/
[13:07] <seb128> ok, not an issue, they do what they want with their private code
[13:07] <kenvandine_wk> okie dokie
[13:07] <seb128> good that you are checking for such changes though ;-)
[13:07] <kenvandine_wk> :)
[13:07]  * kenvandine_wk attaches a diff
[13:07] <slomo> didrocks: if you merge gst-plugins-bad you also want to get http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574009
[13:07] <slomo> seb128: you also might want to sync gnonlin :)
[13:08] <seb128> slomo: thanks
[13:10] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: what's the easiest way to see if something comes from main or universe?
[13:10] <kenvandine_wk> or from some ppa for that matter
[13:11] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: locally?
[13:11] <kenvandine_wk> yeah
[13:11] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: apt-cache madison source or apt-cache policy source
[13:11] <seb128> ups binary in the second case
[13:12] <kenvandine_wk> ah
[13:12] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[13:12] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[13:13] <seb128> you're welcome
[13:13] <kenvandine_wk> anyone know what the proper behavior is for the gnomecompat compiz plugin?
[13:14] <kenvandine_wk> it looks like it just implements some similar behavior
[13:14] <kenvandine_wk> but stores it's own keybindings and such
[13:14] <kenvandine_wk> as opposed to just reading the gnome gconf settings
[13:14] <kenvandine_wk> which seems sub-optimal
[13:16] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[13:16] <kenvandine_wk> morning rickspencer3!
[13:16] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: mvo is the one who probably knows best about that
[13:16] <seb128> or Amaranth
[13:16] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: ping
[13:16] <didrocks> slomo: thanks, noted. I will do it this evening :)
[13:17]  * kenvandine_wk goes to refill the coffee... this time change is kicking my butt
[13:17] <mvo> kenvandine_wk: pong
[13:17] <rickspencer3> seb128: kenvandine_wk: mvo: good morning!
[13:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: do you have virtualization set up on your desktop?
[13:18] <mvo> hey rickspencer3
[13:19] <rickspencer3> mvo: seb128: if kenvandine_wk sets up a VM with with Jaunty, can he use that to test various permutations of your upgrade script for notify-osd/indicator-applet?
[13:19] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: i can now that i have my new laptop :)
[13:19] <didrocks> slomo: I will also try to get the harvest low hanging fruits, if applicable
[13:20] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: read back for my question about the gnomecompat compiz plugin please
[13:20]  * kenvandine_wk cries over an empty coffee pot
[13:20] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: get some more coffee, you may need it
[13:20] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: gonna be a rough day?
[13:20] <kenvandine_wk> hehe :)
[13:20] <seb128> rickspencer3: I guess he could yes but that would tedious work, ie having to get the old version, do random config, upgrade, clean everything back and try other combinaisons
[13:21] <mvo> kenvandine_wk: it should sync the settings back and forth
[13:21] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: oh  so it should read the settings from gnome?
[13:21] <kenvandine_wk> ok, that isn't working then :)
[13:22] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: not hard... just need to give me some use cases to test :)
[13:22] <rickspencer3> seb128: is there a better way to test it?
[13:22] <mvo> kenvandine_wk: but the plugin is enabled?
[13:22] <kenvandine_wk> "screw it up this way" and update
[13:22] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: yes
[13:22] <seb128> rickspencer3: push it early and wait for users to complain if it breaks? ;-)
[13:22] <kenvandine_wk> if i change the settings in the keyboard shortcuts, the plugin doesn't get them
[13:22] <rickspencer3> with a VM, he could take snapshots, so it's trivial to get back to a known state
[13:22] <rickspencer3> seb128: hmmm
[13:22] <seb128> rickspencer3: that's only a gnome-panel layout if it's messed up on upgrade for beta users that no big deal imho
[13:22] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: i think we can test it a little before pushing it :)
[13:23] <mvo> where is the upgrade script currently living?
[13:23] <seb128> mvo: gnome-panel
[13:23] <rickspencer3> ok ... I'm putting it out there as an option
[13:23] <mvo> and you guys take care of it?
[13:23] <rickspencer3> but I would like to see some testing if it's feasible (don't know what else kenvandine_wk is booked in for)
[13:23] <seb128> mvo: I took over the task and said I would work on that with you today
[13:23] <mvo> heh :)
[13:23] <seb128> mvo: morning has been busy but see query
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: the keyboard shortcuts with compiz and the s-c-p patch making it upstreamable...
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> are the main things
[13:24] <mvo> seb128: ok, we can work on it in a bit, need to finish some other stuff first
[13:24] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[13:24] <kenvandine_wk> i also need to fix a build for intrepid for the OLS guys
[13:24] <seb128> then we can organize for testing
[13:25] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: mind taking a quick look at the gnomecompat plugin to see if you can figure out what broke?
[13:27] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: most of the time involved with that kind of testing is the setup time... which is mostly idle
[13:27] <kenvandine_wk> so i can be working on other things too
[13:28] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: it's actually pretty handy to a VM set up anyway
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: i am big on VMs :)
[13:28] <kenvandine_wk> one of the reasons i wanted this new laptop :)
[13:29] <rickspencer3> also, I was hoping that maybe you could look ensuring the the indicator-applet works in various permutations and log bugs where it does not
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> needed a box with VT support :)
[13:29] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: i have already logged some bugs there :)
[13:31] <kenvandine_wk> unrelated question... on a fresh install, what should i have to do to get the codecs needed for mp3?
[13:31] <kenvandine_wk> on my last install i don't recall doing anything...
[13:31] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: seb128: pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/JauntyIndictorAppletTestCases
[13:31] <kenvandine_wk> so figured we had some codec buddy kind of thing
[13:31] <seb128> rickspencer3: thanks
[13:31] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:32] <soren> kenvandine_wk: We used to have something pop up and tell you that you needed extra stuff to do it.
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: double click on a mp3, totem is started and should ask if you want to install whatever is required
[13:32] <soren> kenvandine_wk: ...in totem, at least.
[13:32] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: i just tried that
[13:32] <kenvandine_wk> got an error playing stream
[13:32] <kenvandine_wk> didn't trigger anything
[13:32]  * kenvandine_wk found a bug i guess
[13:33] <seb128> kenvandine_wk: anything printed on the command line?
[13:33] <kenvandine> ** Message: Error: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[13:33] <kenvandine> pulsesink.c(836): gst_pulsesink_prepare (): /GstPlayBin:play/GstBin:visbin/GstBin:abin/GstBin:audiosinkbin/GstGConfAudioSink:audio-sink/GstBin:bin5/GstAutoAudioSink:autoaudiosink1/GstPulseSink:autoaudiosink1-actual-sink-pulse
[13:34] <seb128> that seems a pulseaudio issue and not a codec one
[13:34] <seb128> are you sure you lack the codecs?
[13:34] <kenvandine> no i am not
[13:34] <mvo> kenvandine: if you want to diagnose gnomecompat,that is fine with me :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> just installed this thing :)
[13:34] <seb128> kenvandine: is pulseaudio running?
[13:34] <kenvandine> yes
[13:35] <seb128> hum
[13:35] <seb128> can you paplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav?
[13:36] <kenvandine> this is interesting... the login sound played when i logged in
[13:36] <kenvandine> but
[13:36] <kenvandine> canberra-gtk-play -i desktop-login
[13:36] <kenvandine> ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:626:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument
[13:36] <kenvandine> Failed to play sound: IO error
[13:36] <seb128> iz pulse bog
[13:36] <kenvandine> ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:626:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument
[13:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:36] <kenvandine> definately pulse
[13:36] <kenvandine> i got that from paplay
[13:37] <seb128> try restarting pulse and see what happens
[13:37] <kenvandine> ok
[13:37] <kenvandine> can i just HUP it?
[13:38] <kenvandine> ok
[13:38] <kenvandine> that worked
[13:38]  * kenvandine guesses there is no way to find out how it got in that statu
[13:38] <kenvandine> state
[13:38] <seb128> wait and see if that happens again
[13:39] <kenvandine> will do
[13:51] <ripps> Does anybody know where I can get some documentation on the Gnome dbus multimedia keys framework?
[13:55] <mvo_> seb128, hi, sorry. nm killed my network
[13:55] <mvo_> seb128, I have the migration stuff in front of me now, what exactly needs to be done?
[13:55] <mvo_> just adding the indicator applet? if so, where?
[13:56] <seb128> mvo_: re
[13:56] <seb128> mvo_: next to the notification area if I understood those guys correctly
[13:56] <seb128> pitti: ^ can confirm that?
[13:57] <seb128> davidbarth: ^ or you?
[13:57] <seb128> mvo_: bug #340777
[13:57] <kenvandine_wk> seb128: it is just to the right of the notification area on this clean install
[13:58] <seb128> mvo_:
[13:58] <seb128> "It should be inserted at the end of the applet stack as much as possible and aligned right. So, it should appear slightly to the left of the notification area. This isn't the default placement with a clean install, but it should make the insertion MUCH easier and has been deemed good for putting it on the panel."
[13:59]  * dobey wonders why the message indicator isn't just a notification area icon anyway :)
[14:00] <seb128> dobey: their design has no notification area I think
[14:00] <seb128> dobey: ie they are getting ride of it not adding new icons to it
[14:05] <dobey> nm-applet and gnome-power-manager are being replaced?
[14:05] <ripps> C'mon, does anybody know how to make a plugin that uses gnome multimedia keys?
[14:07] <seb128> dobey: not this cycle but they plan to rewrite a panel and might have different indicators for those
[14:08] <dobey> oh you mean gnome-shell, or something else?
[14:09] <seb128> dobey: I don't know the details of their plan, just somebody mentionned that they want less icons in the notification area over time and not add new ones there
[14:09] <dobey> *shrug*
[14:10]  * vuntz wonders who is "they"
[14:10] <seb128> vuntz: the canonical dxteam
[14:10] <dobey> vuntz: well it's apparently not a superset of 'me'
[14:11] <vuntz> seb128: so they plan to rewrite a panel. No joke?
[14:11] <seb128> vuntz: not sure what the plan are but I understood from the boston submit previous year that the gnome-shell etc idea was that no?
[14:11] <mvo_> rewriting seems to be en-vouge currently
[14:12] <vuntz> seb128: if it's gnome-shell, then okay. I was just afraid that it'd be something else
[14:12]  * mvo_ should rewrite something too
[14:12] <seb128> ok good ;-)
[14:12] <vuntz> mvo_: apt?
[14:12] <seb128> mvo_: update-manager in C? ;-)
[14:12] <mvo_> heh :)
[14:15] <mvo_> seb128, hm, I guess we need to keep the migrate fusa stuff around too because of lts->lts upagrdes?
[14:15] <mvo_> maybe we should just fold it into that ...
[14:17] <seb128> mvo_: yes
[14:26] <seb128> pitti: do you think we could speed up the proposed to updates delay for pidgin?
[14:29] <pitti> seb128: yes, absolutely
[14:29] <seb128> slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23748365/heineken_commercial.wmv not playing at the right speed do you know if that's a known bug?
[14:29] <pitti> seb128: got a call now, TTYL
[14:29] <seb128> slomo: ie if there is something about that in bugzilla, not easy to figure to what other bug that can correspond
[14:29] <seb128> pitti: ok, see you
[14:30] <slomo> seb128: works here
[14:31] <seb128> slomo: using debian versions or trunk?
[14:31] <slomo> seb128: debian versions and trunk
[14:32] <slomo> how fast does it play? is it only very slightly faster/slower?
[14:32] <seb128> slomo: bah, on the first try it looked twice the speed and now it works ...
[14:34] <seb128> slomo: ok, seems to be a totem buffering issue or something
[14:34] <seb128> slomo: I played from the website directly first time and it buffered for some seconds and played very fast the start of the video then
[14:35] <slomo> probably... i saw this for other files too when it has to buffer a lot in the beginning
[14:35] <slomo> but that's a gst bug then, no totem bug
[14:36] <seb128> slomo: right, "gst-launch playbin uri=http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23748365/heineken_commercial.wmv" behaves the same way
[14:43] <mvo_> asac, haha, n-m shows me a wirless network indicator in my kvm virtual machine. that is cute .) is that a known issue?
[14:43] <asac> mvo_: lol
[14:43] <mvo_> asac, signal strengh is zero (unsuprissingly)
[14:44] <asac> mvo_: see -devel-discuss thread
[14:44] <asac> mvo_: dx team found its much more intuitive to use that for no connnection
[14:44] <seb128> mvo_: design team decided that not connected == signal 0
[14:44] <asac> mvo_: so they updated the human theme
[14:44] <asac> mvo_: just use a different theme ;)
[14:44] <asac> i dont have this problem because i dont even have gnome-settings-daemon running to do font stuff ;)
[14:45] <seb128> I found it pretty confusing too
[14:45] <mvo_> really?
[14:45] <mvo_> thats a joke?
[14:45] <asac> mvo_: no.
[14:45] <seb128> mvo_: no, read the list discussion
[14:45] <mvo_> lol
[14:45] <asac> mvo_: thats what was found by dx folks
[14:45] <asac> mvo_: they said its clear for users: no signal == no connection
[14:45] <seb128> that's what you get when you let designer decide on technical things I guess ;-)
[14:46] <asac> i tried to prevent that since this idea came up
[14:46] <mvo_> geh, its better and better
[14:46] <asac> but they say it works on Mac OSX  .... even though i am not sure why they think that our previous icon doesnt work ;)
[14:46] <seb128> mvo_: they somewhat agreed that adding a red cross on the icon could make sense after the discussion on the list though
[14:46] <seb128> so let's see
[14:46] <mvo_> I see. if it is used on macosx it must be perfect
[14:46] <asac> actually i know how this started, but i wont go in details here
[14:46] <seb128> mvo_: ;-)
[14:46] <asac> mvo_: read the thread and comment
[14:47] <seb128> mvo_: we have never used macOS so we can't understand I guess
[14:47] <asac> i suggested to skip this step, and do the right solution instead of having a confusing icon for a full cycle
[14:47] <asac> i would be fine if this would be a final solution. but they agreed that there are better solutions, so i dont understand why its still done ;)
[14:48] <mvo_> so this is not what we will release?
[14:48] <mvo_> or is the plan to fix it in jaunty+1?
[14:48] <asac> mvo_: we will releasae and (i hope) agree on the better solution i suggested for karmic
[14:49] <asac> unless i find time and do a heroic act of doing the right solution this cycle i guess ;)
[14:50] <seb128> mvo: they agreed to add a red cross on the 0 signal icon I think
[14:50] <mvo> aha, ok
[14:50] <mvo> that would make it better (also at least to me it would still be confusing, but less so)
[14:51] <asac> yeah red cross is better.
[15:03] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: hey, good morning
[15:03] <kenvandine_wk> hey pitti
[15:04] <allquixotic> Can anyone hug a desktop-related bug me for please? I know it's not hug day, and this isn't the target of the next hug day, but it's a crasher bug in a popular app :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/341155
[15:05] <seb128> allquixotic: not a lot to do right now, the bug is not closed upstream yet
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: okay, we have several thumbs-up for pidgin, I copy now
[15:07]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[15:09] <allquixotic> seb128: True, we don't have the "real" fix, but we have a hotfix that fixes the crasher -- I get a few warning messages on Pidgin startup, but they aren't recurring. I think that beats a crasher. I'm not saying "commit the hotfix now!" but as a contingency -- worst case, Pidgin devs do nothing -- do we ship the code as-is in Jaunty, or would it be possible to commit the hotfix in that case?
[15:11] <seb128> allquixotic: we have time to wait for a proper fix, there is over a month before jaunty
[15:13] <allquixotic> seb128: True. I have no reason to believe upstream won't fix it in a month. I'll resurrect this issue if it's *not* fixed in a month, though :)
[15:26] <seb128> slomo: any idea what to ask on bug #330165?
[15:34] <seb128> slomo: and does http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23755516/PattieMaes_2009.mp4 play at normal speed for you?
[15:35] <seb128> slomo: sorry for all the questions today, trying to clean a bit all those gst bugs to see what needs to be done before jaunty ;-)
[15:35] <slomo> plays at normal speed, yes
[15:35]  * kenvandine_wk ->  lunch
[15:36] <seb128> slomo: using debian versions too? this mp4 plays way too slowly there
[15:36] <nick_> can someone point me towards a good reference on how udev-dbus-hald work in Ubuntu?
[15:36] <seb128> same issue using gst-launch playbin uri=
[15:37] <slomo> seb128: the realloc() thing was fixed by his restart, the wmv3_vdpau part is fixed in gst-ffmpeg git
[15:37] <seb128> nick_: as in any other distro?
[15:37] <nick_> distro agnostic i suppose
[15:37] <seb128> slomo: the git change will land to debian in the next month? ;-)
[15:37] <seb128> nick_: www.google.com, type dbus?
[15:38] <slomo> seb128: yes, friday or saturday :)
[15:38] <seb128> slomo: excellent thanks!
[15:38] <slomo> seb128: and that mp4 video plays fine using the debian versions
[15:38] <seb128> slomo: grum, weird, maybe that's the syncs from this morning, I didn't install that yet, thanks anyway
[15:52] <lapo> is there a jaunty lpia iso somewhere?
[15:55] <calc> rickspencer3: my new patch works! :-)
[15:56] <calc> rickspencer3: so i need to beat on it a bit and then upload it after alpha 6 release
[15:56]  * rickspencer3 ^5 calc
[15:57] <nick_> seb128: i thought maybe Ubuntu had something in the dev section on it
[15:57] <nick_> seb128: that doesn't get crawled by google.com
[15:57] <seb128> nick_: no
[16:07] <calc> rickspencer3-mtg: it fails to write to gvfs fuse ftp but that may just be a bug in gvfs fuse, i will track it down after i am done working with pitti on the java MIR bug
[16:07] <calc> actually i'm 99% certain it is a gvfs fuse bug since well i'm using gvfs as a regular fs now
[16:07] <calc> so its either a bug that should be fixed in gvfs or a workaround needed in OOo if it is impossible to fix the bug in gvfs
[16:08] <calc> some gvfs backends can't support certain posix features due to being not real filesystems
[16:08]  * calc just had a huge amount of stress lifted now that saving to network shares works again :)
[16:09] <dobey> calc: it could just be a bug in the ftp server too :)
[16:14] <mvo> why is the second counter thing back when I click on logout in jaunty? I liked the previous solution that said 60sec - 50 sec etc
[16:15] <calc> dobey: possibly, yea
[16:15] <calc> dobey: but there were bugs that i just had fixed in gvfs in the past couple weeks
[16:16]  * calc bets on it being a bug that can be fixed in gvfs fuse layer
[16:18] <calc> ccheney@x200:~/.gvfs/ftp as cheney on cheney.ws$ touch foo
[16:18] <calc> touch: cannot touch `foo': No such file or directory
[16:18] <calc> so it looks like it is below the OOo layer anyway
[16:18] <calc> ccheney@x200:~/.gvfs/ftp as cheney on cheney.ws$ ls -l foo
[16:18] <calc> -rwx------ 1 ccheney ccheney 0 2009-03-11 13:17 foo
[16:18] <calc> so it did create foo but didn't determine that it did
[16:18] <calc> so returned an error instead
[16:19] <calc> it seems it might be timeout related
[16:19] <calc> if you "ls -l foo" right after touch it isn't there but if you wait a second it is
[16:42] <calc> its a bug in the ftp caching in gvfs
[16:48] <seb128> calc: I've been unsetting the milestone for you openoffice shared-mime-info bugs
[16:48] <seb128> calc: openoffice 2007 formats are mostly recognized now
[16:48] <seb128> you have some corner case in the zillion of example in your tars which are still buggy though
[16:48] <seb128> but I think it's low importance
[16:52] <calc> seb128: ok thats fine
[16:56] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: is this update script ready to be tested?
[16:57] <mvo> kenvandine_wk: the one I attached to the bugreport? that can be tested, its just not integrated with the package yet, I was waiting for feedback if it should be folded into the fusa script or not
[16:57] <mvo> that depends on the plans for the next lts of the dx team
[16:57] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: ok, what bug is it again?
[16:57] <mvo> but it should be fine for running it by hand
[16:58] <mvo> give me a sec
[16:58] <kenvandine_wk> ok
[16:58] <mvo> I have it open *somewhere*
[16:58]  * mvo needs more brains
[16:58]  * kenvandine_wk needs a tab limit on firefox :)
[16:59] <mvo> bug #340777
[16:59] <kenvandine_wk> would keep the insanity level down
[16:59] <kenvandine_wk> thx
[16:59]  * kenvandine_wk opens another tab :)
[16:59] <mvo> right now, I just have ~100 open, that used to be ~350 :)
[17:01] <kenvandine_wk> mvo: did the right thing for me... in one test case :)
[17:01]  * kenvandine_wk will do it in a VM
[17:15]  * calc wonders if he can find a way to test the rest of the gvfs backends via fuse so he can beat on them as well
[18:05] <davidbarth> pitti: hi, btw, for the MI testcases, i think we should put that on the testcases wiki made by the QA team, ok?
[18:06] <pitti> davidbarth: sure, please feel free to move the wiki page
[18:06] <davidbarth> pitti: there is already a wiki page for that?
[18:06] <pitti> davidbarth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/JauntyIndicatorAppletTestCases
[18:06] <pitti> davidbarth: it didn't address my comments yet, though (reply to rickspencer3-mtg's mail)
[18:32] <asac> hmm. just added the indicator applet to my panel; interestingly enough it now reads "No indicators" ;) ... sounds confusing
[18:33]  * asac starts pidgin
[18:35] <asac> still "No indicators"
[18:45] <kenvandine_wk> asac: hey... i have seen that too, but only on foresight
[18:46] <kenvandine_wk> haven't had time to try to figure out why
[18:46] <kenvandine_wk> but i guess if it is happening on jaunty, it should be filed as a bug
[18:47] <asac> hmm
[18:47] <asac> i thought its because i never used any app that has libindicate support
[18:47] <asac> i will ask ted when he is back
[18:47] <kenvandine_wk> yeah... it happens with both evo and pidgin running
[18:48] <kenvandine_wk> but i have only seen it happen on my wife's foresight laptop :)
[18:48] <kenvandine_wk> asac: if she will let me use her laptop tonight, i will try to debug it there :)
[18:49] <asac> kenvandine_wk: i now installed "indicator-messages"
[18:49] <asac> after adding indicator applet again to panel its just empty ;)
[18:49] <asac> let me start pidgin again ;)
[18:49] <kenvandine_wk> oh
[18:49] <kenvandine_wk> humm
[18:50] <asac> heh
[18:50] <asac> yeah it works
[18:50] <asac> now i have a "letter" displayed there
[18:50] <asac> even even though i dont have any event
[18:51] <asac> cool ... now i have an applet that allows me to pop up pidgin ;)
[18:51] <kenvandine_wk> that is what you should get
[18:52] <asac> so same functions as the tray thing. let me see if i can get an event from somewhere
[18:52] <asac> good
[18:52] <asac> first message popped up the chat window ... which is annoying, but probably a pidgin setting
[18:53] <asac> second message indiciated that there are new messages in panel
[18:53] <asac> kenvandine_wk: can you send a /msg to asac_the_2nd ?
[18:54] <asac> kenvandine_wk: one more please
[18:54] <asac> (first messagte seems not to work)
[18:54] <asac> ok cool
[18:54] <asac> thanks
[18:54] <kenvandine> :)
[18:54] <kenvandine> some messages seem to go to /dev/null
[18:54] <kenvandine> i have a bug open about that
[18:54] <kenvandine> ted is looking at it
[18:54] <asac> i think its the first message that triggers a new chat window/tab
[18:55] <kenvandine> it is
[18:55] <asac> at least that is reproducible
[18:55] <kenvandine> that is a pidgin setting
[18:55] <asac> to not notify about first message?
[18:55] <kenvandine> no
[18:56] <kenvandine> to open that window
[18:56] <kenvandine> you don't get it in the indicator if it opens
[18:56] <asac> kenvandine_wk: yeah. still it should notify i guess because it opens in background
[18:56] <kenvandine> i think that default should be changed
[19:30] <asac> hmm. a python binding for libindicate would be useful now i guess ;)
[19:31] <kenvandine_wk> asac: ted is working on it :)
[19:41] <dobey> someone should update tango-icon-theme in jaunty ;)
[19:41] <dobey> probably in debian too i guess
[20:30] <nrg> how do i disable nautilus from launching on usb mass storage insertion
[21:46] <seb128> bryce: hey
[21:47] <seb128> bryce; about bug #67188, Sergey who wrote comment #62 is upstream for libxklavier libgnomekbd and the gnome keyboard capplets
[21:47] <seb128> bryce: I would advice trying what he asked there
[21:47] <davmor2> ah seb128: you might know.  On freesoftware only should jockey offer to install Nvidia binary driver?
[21:48] <seb128> davmor2: no clue, dunno what "freesoftware only" is and I've no nvidia boxes nor use jockey
[21:48] <davmor2> seb128: thanks :)
[21:48] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[21:48] <seb128> ask pitti tomorrow I would say
[21:48] <davmor2> seb128: that was my next resort :)