[00:31] <kirkland> jdstrand: auth-client-config question
[01:12] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys has anyone of you set up an active/passive config using heartbeat in HH ?
[03:08] <kinema> Is there a standard way of loading iptables rules in Ubuntu?
[03:08] <ScottK> kinema: See the ufw package.
[03:08] <ScottK> It provides some basic standard settings for such.
[03:09] <ScottK> Personally I have a shell script I like.
[03:21] <kinema> Hmmm....denying all traffic when logged in via ssh isn't the smartest thing I've done today.
[03:23] <ScottK> Trust me, you aren't the first one to do that.
[03:24] <unewbi1> :)
[03:30] <kinema> What are the chances there is a decent Ubuntuish script or set of scripts for managing a firewall somewhere online that I could look at?
[03:33] <kinema> There's something I find unsettling about ufw.
[03:34]  * hads likes firehol
[03:38] <ScottK> kinema: If you find problems about ufw, please file bugs.
[03:39]  * ScottK likes /sh, but probably not what you're after.
[03:39] <kinema> ScottK: I'm going to give ufw a chance.
[03:39] <kinema> We'll see.
[03:40] <kinema> Of course I'll file bugs if necessary.
[03:40] <ScottK> OK, but please file bugs.  It is actively developed within the Ubuntu Server team, so it's worth doing.
[03:41] <kinema> ScottK: Would I be correct in assuming that rules are inserted into the various tabes/chains as soon as command is executed?
[03:42] <ScottK> kinema: I'm not sure, as I've mentioned, I don't use it, but it's the recommended approach in Ubuntu Server for people who don't roll their own.
[03:42] <kinema> Thanks.
[03:45] <ScottK> Maybe jdstrand is around and can answer.
[03:47] <kinema> I thought about it and the fact that running "sudo ufw default deny" killed my ssh connection shows that rules are inserted immediately.
[03:51] <timboy> I just upgraded my hard drive and I can't resize my partition with my livecd... I can resize my swap just fine but can't do anything with my / partition. can someone give me a hand?
[03:53] <ScottK> kinema: So I make a bug based on your experience.  See Bug 253840.
[04:10] <ScottK> lamont: Ping.
[04:10] <lamont> eep
[04:10] <ScottK> lamont: Remember my proposed script for adding stuff to master.cf?
[04:10] <lamont> yeah
[04:10] <lamont> were you expanding that to also do chroot vs non-chroot?
[04:10] <ScottK> Ball's in your court.  What do you think?
[04:11] <ScottK> There's a couple more I'd like to add, but I was hoping for some feedback on the first one?
[04:11] <ScottK> I'd figured on doing add policy server next as it's very similar to add smtpd listener.
[04:11] <lamont> ah, ok
[04:11]  * lamont goes looking
[04:11] <ScottK> Then chroot/unchroot.
[04:12] <lamont> attached to the bug report, yes?
[04:12] <ScottK> IIRC.
[04:12] <lamont> well, it wasn't in my  email... :-)
[04:12]  * lamont looks on L{
[04:12] <lamont> LP evenb
[04:12] <lamont> bug 247332
[04:13] <ScottK> Yeah.  In Bug 247332
[04:13] <ScottK> Heh.
[04:14] <ScottK> Trust me I understand L followed by unprintable characters because you're cursing.
[04:14] <lamont> heh
[04:15] <lamont> 'twould be nice if USAGE were a function, just to have it not evaluate every run - but that's a nit
[04:15] <lamont> and very minor grumbles about you making me update debian/copyright
[04:16] <lamont> could you pretty please pick one of the standard licenses, and name it?
[04:16] <ScottK> OK.
[04:16] <lamont> I don't care if it's the postfix license, or another non-conflicting one
[04:16]  * ScottK tries to remember
[04:16] <ScottK> That's MIT license.
[04:17] <lamont> and I think PEP-8 (?) or somewhere wants imports to be one per line
[04:17] <lamont> or such
[04:17] <lamont> OTOH, you're much closer to PEP-8 that most of my stuff before I started paying attention to it under threat of pain
[04:18] <lamont> I also tend to make a function called __main__ or such and just say if __name__ == '__main__': \n __main__()
[04:18] <lamont> which gives me something I can call when I'm playing with python -i and such
[04:19] <ScottK> Right.
[04:19] <ScottK> I looked and PEP-8 says one per line.
[04:20] <lamont> so general feedback would be PEP-8 conformance, the muttering about main() and USAGE, and otherwise a handwavy "looks at least not-unreasonable, if not just plain reasonable, +1"
[04:21] <lamont> and is shutil all the rage these days?  /me hasn't ever used it
[04:21] <lamont> while understanding that it may be the new hotness and I'm not. :)
[04:21] <ScottK> OK.  The one functional shortcut that it takes that might be an excessive one is it just assumes if the name of the smtpd you want setup appears anywhere in master.cf it's a bad idea.
[04:22] <ScottK> The shutil usage is a result of, "Gee, never had to do that before, let's see what the shiny new edition of Python in a Nutshell has to say about it."
[04:23] <ScottK> Honestly I don't want to go to the effort to make it smart enough to do the case where it has to find out if it's a duplicative service name or something else.
[04:23] <ScottK> Maybe I just add MIT to common-licenses and make it easy.
[04:24] <lamont> anywhere as in anywhere? or anywhere as first token?
[04:25] <ScottK> Anywhere like it parses line by line through your master.cf and if it finds the string you gave as your desired service name it says no thanks.
[04:25] <ScottK> And stops.
[04:25] <ScottK> For a helper script like this I think it's better to bail out in the face of any uncertainty that to try to be to smart about it.
[04:26] <ScottK> The use case I'm thinking about it you don't want to run it twice by accident and end up adding the same service two times in master.cf.
[05:55] <lamont> ScottK: makes sense
[06:46] <kinema> Any ufw people here?
[07:47] <kaushal> hi
[08:07] <kraut> moin
[08:40] <kaushal> hi
[08:40] <kaushal> I did apt-cdrom add and that got listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:41] <kaushal> but when i try to add apache2 it gets from Internet
[08:41] <kaushal> and not from Cdrom
[08:53] <elnewb> How much more RAM would I need to add a GUI (fluxbox or GNOME) to ubuntu server?
[08:54] <MenZa> That would depend on how much you have now :P
[08:55] <elnewb> 384MB (It's a really old Dell)
[09:03] <_ruben> kaushal: then you need to disable the internet repositories in that file
[09:04] <kaushal> ok
[09:13] <elnewb> how do i install fluxbox?  I tried with this "sudo apt-get install fluxbox x-window-system-core xdm"
[09:14] <MenZa> 384mb ram should run even a light Gnome setup decently
[09:21] <elnewb> ok
[09:55] <thefish> hello
[09:56] <thefish> anyone here use a free landscape alternative for updating multiple servers? i would like to eliminate the need to spend hours ssh'ing into boxes to update them...
[10:01] <_ruben> we're using an in-house developed script with a cvs backend
[10:01] <_ruben> far from perfect, but it does its job quite ok
[10:02] <thefish> _ruben: cool, get updates from cvs?
[10:04] <_ruben> thefish: the script does a cvs up every 10 mins .. and symlinks the files into place (which is one big downside of it, not all files can be 'replaced' with symlinks (chroots, sudoers file, etc))
[10:04] <thefish> aah ok, fair enough
[10:04] <_ruben> writing a replacement for it is on my todo list, along with a gazillion other things :-/
[10:05] <thefish> i was thinking of something closer to landscape, which will use dpkg on the client with a package
[10:05] <thefish> hehe i know the feeling
[10:06] <_ruben> its a rather common one ;)
[10:22] <thefish> im spending more and more time on just apt-get upgradeing - got to have a better way!
[10:23] <thefish> redhat/fedora now has free spacewalk
[10:23] <thefish> which is similar to landscape, but free as in beer as well as speech
[10:32] <_ruben> thefish: oh, you're talking package management .. i was referring to configuration management .. package managment is smth i do by hand still (and far from as often as i should)
[10:35] <thefish> _ruben: for configs, have you tried puppet? http://www.howtoforge.com/installing_puppet_on_ubuntu
[10:35] <thefish> ive not tried, but it looks quite powerful
[11:38] <_ruben> thefish: dont know it, so: no ;)
[11:52] <lch> hi
[11:52] <lch> I'm having problems setting up the server on my PC, installation goes fine, but when I reboot I get a segfault after Grub initiates booting
[11:52] <lch> I got the suggestion to use a generic kernel, how can I do that?
[11:55] <lch> I have installed linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic via apt now
[11:55] <lch> I suppose I need to get the kernel modules, too?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> required modules should be pulled in automatically
[12:19] <lch> why can't I use "admin" as an account name?
[12:19] <lch> debian had no trouble with that
[12:19] <lch> what is it that Ubuntu needs this name for?
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> what sort of error do you have?
[12:20] <lch> it doesn't let me create a user with account name "admin" during installation
[12:20] <lch> claiming that it's used by the system
[12:20] <lch> or reserved
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> the group name is in use
[12:21] <Deeps> sounds like an installer bug
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure i agree tbh
[12:24] <lch> I'm using "administrator" as a substitute, but that's kinda unnecessarily long
[12:24] <Koon> lch: you can rename it afterwards
[12:24] <Koon> lch: the installer probably tries to create a user and group with the name you provide, and the admin group is already taken
[12:25] <lch> yup
[12:30] <Deeps> thats what id susecpt too
[12:30] <Deeps> as i was able to create a user admin as long as i specified a group for it to go into
[12:39] <Deeps> hense being an installer bug if it's simply claiming the username is in use/reserved by the system
[14:49] <lch> why is python installed automatically?
[14:49] <lch> is it needed?
[14:49] <lch> same question regarding perl
[14:50] <sommer> lch: yes
[14:50] <lch> what is it used for?
[14:51] <sommer> lots of things... I believe apt needs perl and I'm sure there are multiple apps that need python
[14:51] <lch> I know that in Gentoo, the system things are programmed in Python
[14:53] <sommer> don't quote me on the apt thing, but basically they're installed as dependencies
[14:53] <sommer> and probably most admins would want them :)
[14:54] <maswan> and some system stuff is written in it
[14:54] <maswan> go check out file * |grep python in, say, /usr/sbin
[14:54] <maswan> and the same for perl
[14:54] <maswan> I'm sure you can recognise some core component
[14:55] <ScottK> In Ubuntu Python and Perl are both part of the required set of packages.
[14:55] <ScottK> Just to pick one thing for Python the LSB standard functions for init scripts is written in Python.
[14:57] <lch> hmm
[14:57] <lch> I need to shrink my installation, though
[14:57] <lch> I already threw ppp over board because I don't need it, I'll do the same with the wireless and wpa stuff
[14:58] <lch> anything else I can throw out?
[15:00] <zul> kirkland: bad bad
[15:09] <jdstrand> zul: in your nut work (that sounds a bit odd...) have you come across anything about tripplite UPSs not reporting their battery/line power properly?
[15:10] <maswan> lch: /usr/share/doc ? :)
[15:10] <maswan> lch: a bunch of kernel modules?
[15:10] <jdstrand> zul: specifically, they toggle 'on battery' to 'on line power' and back frequently
[15:10] <lch> yeah, about that... I installed linux-generic because my system wouldn't boot otherwise
[15:11] <lch> but it's a hefty 125 MB
[15:12] <zul> jdstrand: yeah it does sound a bit odd, its suppose to be fixed in intrepid I think but I havent backported the patch to hardy yet
[15:12] <jdstrand> zul: oh excellent
[15:13] <jdstrand> it is mighty annoying, and you have an eager tester :)
[15:13] <zul> jdstrand: nifty are you running intrepid yet?
[15:14] <jdstrand> zul: no, this is a production hardy machine
[15:14] <zul> jdstrand: ah ok...
[15:14] <jdstrand> zul: I don't mind recompiling on hardy though
[15:14] <lch> maswan, so assuming I don't plan to change my hardware at all for the forseeable future, I suppose I can delete all the kernel modules that aren't in use at the moment? right or wrong?
[15:14] <jdstrand> zul: or testing an SRU
[15:14] <zul> jdstrand: I could probably backport it for hardy
[15:15] <zul> ie: stick it in my ppa
[15:15] <lch> I have 62M avail :(
[15:16] <zul> jdstrand: but please open a bug in launchpad as well and I can see about getting a patch as well
[15:17] <jdstrand> zul: I'm going to recompile intrepid's version on hardy, and let you know how it goes
[15:17] <zul> jdstrand: sounds good
[15:42] <kirkland> zul: bad bad, what?
[15:43] <zul> kirkland: there was a typo in the winbind.init script for samba-3.2
[15:43] <zul> but it happens
[15:54] <Koon> mathiaz: about tomcat6, I've written a spec to describe the implementation options I followed (Tomcat6StackSpec). One question is related to the webapp framework, or how we expect it to be
[15:55] <mathiaz> Koon: I think that is a very good question
[15:55] <Koon> mathiaz: are we aiming to install all webapps in a common folder ? Or have some kind of registry to point the future webapp framework to the applications wherever they appear to be ?
[15:56] <mathiaz> Koon: hm - I've been thinking about that lately - I'm thinking about a kind of registery
[15:56] <mathiaz> Koon: where you'd install a webapp pkg in /usr/share
[15:56] <mathiaz> Koon: and then deploy it in /var/www, or /var/lib/tomcat6/webapps
[15:57] <mathiaz> Koon: the way you do with the sample apps in a postinst
[15:57] <mathiaz> Koon: it would be similar to the way dpkg operates
[15:58] <mathiaz> Koon: but all this is still a bit fuzzy right now
[15:58] <Koon> mathiaz: so where should I install the tomcat6 webapps ? Note that most of them are tied to tomcat6
[15:58] <Koon> (tomcat6-admin and tomcat6-docs)
[15:59] <Koon> (one may consider the -examples as being usable on another servlet/jsp container)
[15:59] <chmac> I've got two machines on a network, but only 1 has permission to access the internet. The two can talk to each other though.
[15:59] <chmac> What's the easiest way to give the second one access to the internet via the first?
[16:00] <chmac> Host a VPN server?
[16:00] <Koon> mathiaz: in a common /usr/share/webapps directory ? or leave them under /usr/share/tomcat6/webapps and let the future registering thing handle them there ?
[16:00] <chmac> Create a virtual interface and then ip masquerade?
[16:00] <chmac> Any suggestions?
[16:00] <\sh> Chipzz: NAT
[16:01] <\sh> sorry
[16:01] <\sh> chmac: NAT
[16:01] <chmac> chmac: Create a virtual interface and then nat the second machine through the first?
[16:01] <\sh> chmac: use two interfaces
[16:01] <jdstrand> zul: unfortunately nut 2.2.2-6ubuntu1 doesn't fix it
[16:01] <chmac> Hahaha, I'm talking to myself, DOH! \sh that was for you ^^
[16:01] <\sh> two real nics
[16:01] <chmac> \sh: I don't have two nics available unfortunately
[16:02] <\sh> chmac: if you can't ifconfig eth0:1 <IP_ADDRESS> (or whatever rfc priv addr) and then add some -t nat -A POSTROUTING magic
[16:03] <zul> jdstrand: crap can you open a bug in launchpad and I can forward it upstream
[16:03] <chmac> \sh: Ahh, I can create a virtual interface just with ifconfig eth0:1 can I? Or will I need to create that first in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:03] <jdstrand> zul: I sure will
[16:03] <chmac> My /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't list eth0 currently, it only lists lo and ppp0
[16:03] <\sh> chmac: oh...the real way to do it is through /etc/network/interfaces (auto eth0:1 \n iface eth0:1 inet static...)
[16:04] <chmac> \sh: Ok, I found a howto on that, thanks :)
[16:04] <zul> jdstrand: thanks
[16:09] <jason__> I
[16:10] <jason__> I'm not sure how to ask a question here, so I'll just do it.
[16:10] <jason__> I acedentaly changed the grounps for my main user to just its own group and www-data. Without sudo how can I add the admin and other groups back?
[16:11] <sommer> jason__: do you have another admin user on the box?  if not you'll need to boot into recovery mode which will allow you to re-add the groups
[16:12]  * ScottK stops typing because sommer already said it better.
[16:12] <sommer> :)
[16:12] <jason__> no, thats the only user, how do I boot into recovery mode, I've never done it before
[16:13] <sommer> jason__: just reboot and from the grub menu there should be a "recovery" option
[16:13] <sommer> jason__: I forget the actual verbage, but it should be the one after the current kernel
[16:14] <jason__> I only have the one install and I dont see a grub loader like when I reboot my laptop with multiple partions. How can I force the grub loader?
[16:14] <sommer> jason__: press escape right before booting a message should flash with a 3 second counter
[16:14] <jason__> ok, thanks
[16:15] <jason__> I'll give it a try
[16:16] <jason__> once I boot in recovery I just need to type  "sudo usermod -G username,adm,uucp,dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,video,plugdev,scanner,netdev,lpadmin,powerdev,admin username"
[16:16] <jason__> is there any other groups to concider?
[16:17] <billoutre_> hello
[16:17] <kirkland> dendrobates: mathiaz: fyi, I posted to debian-devel last night, asking for permission to do mass bug filing on the init script status actions
[16:18] <ScottK> jason__: In the recovery console you'll be root, so no sudo needed.
[16:18] <jason__> I guess that should have be obvious
[16:19] <ScottK> Once you're there the prompt will be #, so yes.
[16:19] <jason__> I'm going to my server room (bedroom closet) to give this a try, any more groups to add?
[16:20] <ScottK> As long as you get admin, iirc, you can fix the rest later.
[16:20] <jason__> ok, thanks alot, be back later.. and be fixed I hope
[16:29] <Koon> mathiaz: got to go now, please comment on the Tomcat6StackSpec directly with the location you prefer for Tomcat6 webapps.
[16:37] <jdstrand> zul: bug #253999
[16:37] <zul> jdstrand: thansk
[16:37] <jdstrand> np
[16:58] <kirkland> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/253993
[16:58] <kirkland> zul: can you sponsor?
[16:59] <edmoore> how is a server cpu different? if I'm building a headless box, should I avoid commodity intel core 2 type stuff?
[16:59] <zul> kirkland: already fixed
[16:59] <zul> 3.2.0-4ubuntu3 was uploaded this morning
[17:03] <kirkland> zul: oh, thanks, you fixed it?
[17:03] <zul> yep
[17:03] <kirkland> zul: is there another bug?
[17:03] <kirkland> zul: should this one be a duplicate?
[17:03] <zul> it should be a duplicate
[17:16] <kirkland> jdstrand: can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253816
[17:17] <kirkland> jdstrand: i needed to add ecryptfs to the pam password stack, to rewrap your password if you change your login password
[17:18] <edmoore> can you run different sized drives in raid1? so say i have a pair of 250GB hdds, and in 3 years time one of them falls over, do I have to replace it with a 250gb hdd, or can i get a much larger one?
[17:21] <jdstrand> kirkland: oh so this is just a change to the ecryptfs-utils acc-profile? yeah, no problem. I assume you have tested the profile and it works in all cases? I was kinda surprised to not see 'use_first_pass'...
[17:21] <kirkland> jdstrand: actually, that's part of what i wanted you to take a look at that
[17:22] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'm actually not sure where in the stack it belongs
[17:22] <kirkland> jdstrand: and if "required" is correct
[17:25] <jdstrand> kirkland: well, it depends on what you want
[17:26] <jdstrand> what you have will prompt for the password via pam_unix, if it fails, end pam processing
[17:26] <jdstrand> if it succeeds, do the smbpass thing
[17:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay, so if a user's password change is successful, we're going to use the old password to unwrap the mount passphrase, and re-wrap it with the new password
[17:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: this should only run if the full password change is successful
[17:26] <jdstrand> then ecryptfs-- which prompts theuser again, and if that fails, then pam fails
[17:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: i tested it, and it did work in my one simple, direct test case
[17:27] <jdstrand> you were prompted twice-- correct?
[17:27] <jdstrand> (eg pam_unix and pam_ecryptfs)
[17:28] <jdstrand> kirkland: does pam_ecryptfs support 'use_first_pass'?
[17:29] <kirkland> jdstrand: lemme check....
[17:29] <kirkland> jdstrand: grep turns up no hits to that string in the pam_ecryptfs source code
[17:31] <jdstrand> kirkland: I haven't done pam programming, but it seems clear that the best user experience is to get the password from pam_unix via 'use_first_pass' and send that to pam_ecryptfs
[17:34] <jdstrand> kirkland: I wonder if it will just get that by linking into libpam.so.0 and libpam_misc.so.0?
[17:34] <jdstrand> (which it does)
[17:34] <kirkland> jdstrand: that's possible
[17:35] <kirkland> jdstrand: i don't see any references in the pam_ecryptfs source code, but it *works*
[17:35] <jdstrand> kirkland: so this time you aren't prompted twice?
[17:36] <kirkland> jdstrand: right, i'm not prompted twice
[17:36] <jdstrand> kirkland: good-- the last bit is 'required'
[17:36] <jdstrand> hold on...
[17:41] <jdstrand> kirkland: do you think it is reasonable that the whole operation fail if ecryptfs fails for some reasn?
[17:41] <jdstrand> kirkland: I am thinking particularly about password expiration
[17:42] <kirkland> jdstrand: well, people's data will not be immediately accessible, if their login password changes, but their wrap passphrase doesn't
[17:43] <jdstrand> kirkland: when might this operation fail? if the passwords are out of sync certainly, any other times?
[17:44] <jdstrand> kirkland: and does pam_ecryptfs output a helpful message in the case of failure?
[17:45] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'm trying to think of what failure might occur
[17:45] <jdstrand> kirkland: what if the user just delete ~/Confidential (or whatever it's called these days)?
[17:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: ah, right, ~/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[17:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: if that disappears
[17:46] <jdstrand> kirkland: what if $HOME is nfs/smb mounted and is unavailable?
[17:48] <jdstrand> kirkland: I didn't actually think about this before, but it seems that in auth it's required, but in session it's optional
[17:49] <kirkland> jdstrand: yeah, i'm not sure about that either...  sadly, i'm not a PAM expert
[17:49] <jdstrand> kirkland: that sounds wrong-- in case the user delete ~/.ecryptfs, *boom* no login
[17:50] <jdstrand> kirkland: np-- I think optional is the way to go for all of them. it'll work when it's supposed to, and fail gracefully
[17:50] <kirkland> jdstrand: yeah, that does sound better
[17:50] <jdstrand> kirkland: it will require testing though, in various failure modes
[17:50] <jdstrand> s/modes/situations/
[17:51] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'll do some testing here, and resubmit the patch
[17:51] <jdstrand> kirkland: excellent! :)
[17:55]  * delcoyote hi
[19:07] <RainCT> Why does "dpkg-reconfigure slapd" ask for an organization name, if it isn't used for anything?
[19:23] <sommer> anyone know if there is a way to restrict "sudo bash"?
[19:24] <Deeps> afaik you can restrict what commands can be run by sudo
[19:24] <Deeps> man sudoers would know more
[19:24] <sommer> Deeps: heh, true thanks
[19:25] <Deeps> happy to help :)
[19:51] <stiv2k> Does anyone here use ddclient? It's not updating my ***** IP address
[19:52] <egoleo> is not dd
[19:52] <egoleo> is dhclient
[19:52] <egoleo> i gues
[19:52] <stiv2k> egoleo: No, it's ddclient I'm talking about
[19:52] <egoleo> oh ok
[19:52] <egoleo> sorry
[19:53] <egoleo> never used that
[19:53] <Deeps>  Description: Update IP addresses at dynamic DNS services
[19:53] <stiv2k> Deeps: It just isn't updating.  I can't figure out why... it used to though
[19:53] <Deeps> dont use it either, sorry
[19:53]  * stiv2k drop kicks his server.
[19:54] <egoleo> how do i upgrade ubuntu server 6.04 to 8.04 server
[19:54] <egoleo> any link plse
[20:05] <kees> winbind status has a typo and is making it uninstallable.
[20:05] <K-Mile> Hi folks, I am having difficulty with network connectivity using 2 interfaces on an server running in VMware Server (both Ubuntu 7.04). Either LAN works, WAN works, or neither. I can't figure out if the host or the guest drops the connections. VMware (bridged networking) should not get in the way, right?
[20:06] <kees> kirkland: ^^ (winbind)
[20:06] <kirkland> kees: it's fixed
[20:06] <kees> kirkland: ah, okay, I just got unlucky.  :)
[20:06] <kirkland> kees: needs to be sync'd out
[20:06] <kirkland> kees: yeah, sorry
[20:06] <kees> kirkland: np :)
[20:07] <bamed> K-Mile: I know this is a dumb question, but just to make sure, your WAN and LAN aren't on the same subnet are they?
[20:08] <K-Mile> bamed: no, both are on a different router, different IP ranges, and I can connect from LAN using either the public or the local IP address..
[20:09] <K-Mile> but the setup is shaky, since I had some trouble with conflicting DNS settings provided.. they are both on DHCP, that might not be an optimal solution..
[20:11] <K-Mile> the reason I want the two interfaces is that I want to expose Apache and SSH to the world, but they rely on LDAP authentication to a local server in the LAN
[20:12] <bamed> VMWare creates a couple of virtual NIC's; make sure those subnets don't conflict with anything, I've seen the vmnet interface cause routing problems in such cases
[20:13] <K-Mile> thanks.. just found out that my VMware died on me... expired beta it seems
[20:13] <K-Mile> why do they timebomb that thing?!
[20:14] <K-Mile> will check those vmnet interfaces though
[20:16] <K-Mile> the vmware server has 2 default gateways..
[20:16] <_ruben> they timebomb it so ppl wont end up using beta stuff for ages when better (more) final versions are out
[20:17] <K-Mile> yeah, figured that out.. I remember how hard it was getting this thing running, so I feel reluctant to go through that again :/
[20:17] <K-Mile> could be me though...
[20:18] <_ruben> vmware server 2 is easier to setup than vmware server 1 actually
[20:18] <_ruben> since ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 are actually supported for 2 and not for 1
[20:19] <egoleo> how can i upgrade from 6.04 to 8.04
[20:19] <egoleo> server
[20:19] <Deeps> 6.04? o_O
[20:20] <egoleo> 6
[20:20] <egoleo> server
[20:20] <Deeps> oh, dapper
[20:20] <egoleo> yeah
[20:20] <egoleo> is that possible
[20:20] <_ruben> first hit of google: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[20:20] <egoleo> is the server
[20:20] <egoleo> ok
[20:23] <K-Mile> _ruben: is there a package for VMware, or is it just a install from src from VMware?
[20:24] <K-Mile> binary from VMware I mean
[20:27] <bamed> binary vrom VMware is the only way I know to, and it won't run without some tweaking to your system, but there's some good info in the wiki
[20:27] <bamed> s/vrom/from
[20:27] <egoleo> hey guys anyone running exim mail server?
[20:28] <egoleo> i am receiving all sort of junk mails and also getting my IP been blocked all the time
[20:28] <egoleo> any help on that
[20:28] <K-Mile> bamed:  thanks.. will take a while before I can get to those networking issues ;)
[20:28] <K-Mile> vmnets are in different subnets btw
[20:29] <bamed> if you're wanting data from the WAN to be passed to the LAN then make sure net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
[20:29] <bamed> I mean = 1
[20:32] <K-Mile> bamed: no, I don't want to route from WAN to LAN.. I just want to expose some services over WAN
[20:34] <K-Mile> I could try just to enable the WAN interface on the guest OS
[20:34] <K-Mile> but I need apache to authenticate with LDAP in the LAN..
[20:43] <_ruben> K-Mile: the binary package provided by vmare for server 2 (rc1) installs just fine on ubuntu 8.04
[20:43] <K-Mile> Hmm.. I've got Feisty AFAIK
[20:43] <_ruben> for 7.04 and 7.10 there's an ubuntu package for server 1 in the partner repo
[20:44] <_ruben> havent tried server on feisty myself
[20:44] <_ruben> but it is support by vmware iirc
[20:44] <K-Mile> yeah, I know, but I already run server 2, so I can't really downgrade
[20:44] <K-Mile> will try the binary package
[20:45] <K-Mile> from VMware
[20:45] <K-Mile> could the fact that I have 2 default gateways on the host interfere with WAN access to the guest OS?
[20:46] <_ruben> it ougta be pretty painless .. except for you having install a package or two from the ubuntu repos (like a compiler and some libs)
[20:46] <_ruben> 2 default gateways is asking for troubles, unless configured 'perfectly'
[20:46] <K-Mile> they probably aren't ;-)
[20:46] <_ruben> gotta go for now .. might be back in a bit
[20:46] <K-Mile> will set the wan interface to static
[20:46] <K-Mile> k, thanks so far!
[21:02] <Deeps> haha
[21:02] <Deeps> comparing debian testing with ubuntu hardy
[21:02] <Deeps> apt-get --help
[21:02] <Deeps> debian: autoremove - Remove automatically all unused packages
[21:02] <Deeps> ubuntu: autoremove - Remove all automatic unused packages
[21:02] <Deeps> brilliant
[21:05] <ogra> Deeps, and the fun stuff is that its the same maintainer :)
[21:05] <Deeps> lmao
[21:08] <ogra> hardy was frozen way before lenny though ... that explains why the fix is in debian testing, unstable and intrepid
[21:09] <Deeps> safe
[21:10] <K-Mile> that
[21:10] <K-Mile> that's weird.. the second time my server freezes while working on the network settinga
[21:10] <K-Mile> a=s
[21:11] <K-Mile> got one ssh session still going, two died on me, as well as the local terminal
[21:13] <K-Mile> and calling ifconfig also screwed my last session :(
[21:14] <K-Mile> I expected the SSH session to go when I reset my networking, not the entire system EXCEPT the SSH session..
[21:19] <_ruben> ssh usualy survives a network restart, unless an ip change is involved
[21:19] <K-Mile> yeah, but two out of three died, as well as the box itself...
[21:20] <K-Mile> num-lock does not even respond.. cant switch to different terminal with alt-Fx
[21:21] <K-Mile> I really don;t like hard-resetting the box two times in a row...
[21:24] <_ruben> strange
[21:24] <K-Mile> yeah..
[21:25] <K-Mile> its an almost new dell poweredge.. so far no issues.. except today when I unplugged a network cable, same thing happened
[21:28] <_ruben> hmm .. scary
[21:29] <K-Mile> yeah
[21:29] <K-Mile> does respond to SysReq combinations..
[21:29] <K-Mile> rebooted..
[21:34] <K-Mile> http://xkcd.com/349/
[21:34] <K-Mile> What started out as an attempt to expose Apache over WAN, got me reinstalling VMware and now checking my systems memory and filesystem because of system freezes..
[21:34] <K-Mile> one of those nights.. ;-)
[22:25] <hocmin> Does ubuntu support installs on a headless server?  If so, are there any guides?
[22:31] <hocmin> No one knows?
[22:33] <kirkland> hocmin: sure
[22:33] <K-Mile> what are you going to use your server for?
[22:33] <kirkland> hocmin: can you elaborate?
[22:33] <hocmin> kirkland: bought a ibm eserver.  I'd like to install ubuntu server on it
[22:34] <hocmin> kirkland: what other information do you need?
[22:34] <f11f12> does anyone use anjuta?
[22:34] <kirkland> hocmin: and you don't have a monitor hooked up to it?
[22:34] <hocmin> K-Mile: simple web server, file server, maybe e-mail if I'm feeling adventurous
[22:35] <hocmin> kirkland: right, no monitor
[22:36] <K-Mile> well, almost everything can be done using SSH, only during installation you'd need to hook up peripherals
[22:36] <hads> Traditionally you'd just find a monitor to hook up while you are installing.
[22:36] <hocmin> K-Mile, so then ubuntu does not support a headless install
[22:36] <hocmin> ok
[22:36] <K-Mile> I'm not sure if you can install it without
[22:36] <K-Mile> live CD
[22:37] <K-Mile> 's don't have a root password set
[22:37] <hocmin> actually, I need to find some sort of c2t/vga adapter, but ok
[22:37] <K-Mile> so that makes external access a bit tricky
[22:37] <hocmin> thanks for the info
[22:37] <f11f12> hocmin: is the serial port an option?
[22:37] <K-Mile> maybe use a KVM switch?
[22:37] <hocmin> f11f12: there is a serial port.  What can I do with that?
[22:37] <hocmin> (9 pin if it matters)
[22:37] <f11f12> hocmin: pass this kernel option (in grub): console=ttyS1,9600 console=tty0
[22:38] <hocmin> f11f12: how do I pass kernel option on a headless box?
[22:38] <K-Mile> you could create a live cd with the correct settings
[22:38] <K-Mile> and boot it up and install from there
[22:38] <f11f12> hocmin: better this one: console=ttyS0,9600
[22:39] <f11f12> hocmin: you will have to make a special CD for it or boot once with a keyboard/screen
[22:42] <hocmin> ok, never done this before, but I can look for a guide.  I'm assuming this is pretty easy thing?
[22:42] <f11f12> hocmin: if you remove the graphics adapter form the machine, it might not boot, depending on your bios, a VGA Card is maybe mandatoty (you get beep codes)
[22:43] <hocmin> I don't think I got a beep code when I booted it
[22:43] <f11f12> hocmin: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/index.html
[22:43] <hocmin> it's possible I bought a server that's lacking parts to run, but I think that's a little unlikely
[22:43] <hocmin> ok cool
[22:43] <hocmin> I'll read up on that guide and try to connect to the server
[22:44] <f11f12> hocmin: did you detach the speaker too? ;-)
[22:44] <hocmin> I haven't detached anything
[22:44] <hocmin> I just bought the thing
[22:45] <hads> Finding a monitor to use for an hour or so might be easier :)
[22:45] <hocmin> it's not the monitor
[22:45] <hocmin> it's getting an adapter for it
[22:45] <hocmin> no vga port
[22:45] <hads> No adapter at all? How odd.
[22:46] <K-Mile> what kind of server is it?
[22:46] <K-Mile> you just bought it?
[22:47] <hocmin> ibm eserver 335
[22:47] <hocmin> it's got c2t
[22:47] <hocmin> had to look that up
[22:47] <hocmin> and it's got serial
[22:47] <K-Mile> you'd need an IBM kvm switch for that
[22:47] <f11f12> hocmin: if it is a server w/o vga card, then it usually responds on the serial console, my siemens board does it.
[22:48]  * hocmin dies a little inside
[22:48] <hocmin> f11f12, yeah that is sounding like my best option
[22:48] <hocmin> f11f12, I'll read the guide on making my own live CD, how to work on serial, and then give it my best shot
[22:48] <K-Mile> good luck with that ;-)
[22:50] <hocmin> thanks
[22:50] <K-Mile> ah crap, somebody shoot me...
[22:50] <K-Mile> i downloaded the 32bit version of VMware
[22:50] <K-Mile> and I'm behind a slow connection :(
[22:50] <K-Mile> (and a 64bit box)
[22:53] <f11f12> hocmin: you do have a serial (null-modem) cable?  :-)
[22:57] <K-Mile> just a quick question while I download a new VMware...
[22:57] <K-Mile> i have a server with a wan and lan connection
[22:58] <duiu> IS there a way to make 'sudo shutdown -h now' to run when I hit the power button?
[22:58] <K-Mile> i need the DNS lookup of the lan connection, but my preferred gateway is the wan
[22:58] <K-Mile> is it a bad idea to mix those up too much?
[23:01] <K-Mile> duiu: do you have ACPI
[23:01] <duiu> Is that default, I know I don't have APIC?
[23:02] <K-Mile> duiu: probably, if you have a modern pc
[23:02] <K-Mile> duiu: you could try modifying /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[23:03] <K-Mile> duiu: if you have that one
[23:03] <duiu> K-Mile: thanks
[23:04] <duiu> K-Mile: It's not there
[23:05] <duiu> no acpi folder
[23:05] <K-Mile> duiu: do you have the /etc/acpi folder?
[23:05] <duiu> no
[23:05] <K-Mile> k
[23:06] <K-Mile> and /proc/acpi
[23:06] <K-Mile> ?
[23:07] <duiu>  /proc/acpi is there
[23:09] <K-Mile> you could try installing acpi-support
[23:11] <duiu> installing...
[23:12] <K-Mile> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Event%20Processing
[23:15] <duiu> K-Mile: that gave me the folder, thanx
[23:16] <K-Mile> np
[23:18] <duiu> K-Mile: That did it, thanx again!
[23:19] <K-Mile> great!
[23:19] <duiu> I'd help you, but I don't know much about DNS
[23:19] <duiu> I mean, resolv.conf
[23:19] <K-Mile> :-)
[23:20] <K-Mile> yeah, been struggling with getting two interfaces, one LAN, one WAN, to work nicely on a host and VMware guest machine
[23:20] <duiu> there might be a 'force hostname resolution' parameter
[23:20] <duiu> you could try that
[23:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: mathiaz: kees: zul: hey, ecryptfs-utils has been promoted to main and pitti asked me to added to a seed.  i put it in the server-ship seed under filesystems.  who can commit this for me?
[23:33] <kirkland> https://code.launchpad.net/~kirkland/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.intrepid
[23:34]  * kees leaves seeds to soren and mathiaz.  there are subtlties I'm less aware of.
[23:39] <mathiaz> kirkland: is there any reason to put it on the cd ?
[23:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have changes in the pipeline that will make 'adduser' depend on ecryptfs-utils
[23:40] <kirkland> mathiaz: which means that ecryptfs-utils would be used in the installation
[23:40] <mathiaz> kirkland: for intrepid timeframe ?
[23:40] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes
[23:40] <kirkland> mathiaz: those changes have been on ice until the MIR for ecryptfs-utils got approved
[23:41] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - if it goes into adduser as a dependency it will pulled into main anyway
[23:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: agreed, but in case that adduser change were controversial, i wanted to make sure it was in the server
[23:57] <kirkland> jdstrand: you still around?


[01:09] <redir> hackedbellini: how did you setup lxd?
[01:10] <redir> more specifically how did you setup the network bridge for lxd?
[01:12]  * redir eow
[01:19] <hackedbellini> redir: here are my lxd-bridge and network/interfaces file:
[01:20] <hackedbellini> network/interfaces: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326622/
[01:20] <hackedbellini> lxd-bridge: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326614/
[01:22] <hackedbellini> and here is the full output of the bootstrap command: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23326644/
[01:25] <hackedbellini> the strange part is that it tried to "Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8443/1.0". But the <IP_ADDRESS> is another computer (the gateway). The computer where I'm running the bootstrap has an ip of <IP_ADDRESS>, so I would expect that it tried to "Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8443/1.0" instead. I don't know where he is taking that ip from... The only place it is defined
[01:25] <hackedbellini> is on the gateway of the br0 interface
[01:29] <redir> hackedbellini: I was hoping it was a simple you need to run dpkg-reconfigure -p medium lxd answer
[01:29] <redir> but it looks like you've done manual network setup on your system
[01:29] <redir> I have to run, becasue I have dinner plans an won't be back for a while.
[01:30] <redir> but LXD worked for me just running the reconfigure command and restarting the lxd services.
[01:30] <redir> no network twiddling needed.
[01:32] <redir> but I'm guessing you're trying to run lxd hosts on the same network as the host sysytem and gateway, rather than on it's own subnet.
[01:32] <redir> good luck


[01:45] <migs> hello
[01:45] <migs> I just installed Mixxx, and I loaded a track, and played it but no sound comes out
[01:45] <migs> I looked at the sound hardware, but not sure what I need to do
[02:43] <laird> howdy, i'm trying to update my virt-install script to jammy and running into an issue where the install location seems to have disappeared: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/index.html
[02:44] <rbox> laird: what?
[02:45] <laird> i'm doing something like this:
[02:45] <laird> sudo virt-install --virt-type kvm --name eel --ram 2048 --vcpus 1 --disk path=/vm/eel_d0.qcow2,size=10,format=qcow2 --network bridge=br0,mac=52:54:00:64:5b:29 --graphics none --noautoconsole --wait 20 --autostart --cpu kvm64 --location 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/installer-amd64/' --console pty,target_type=sclp
[02:45] <laird> --initrd-inject=http://mule.laird.net/ks/ubuntu.preseed --extra-args="locale=en_US auto=true priority=critical netcfg/use_autoconfig=true netcfg/disable_dhcp=false hostname=eel netcfg/get_domain=domain.com network-console/password=instpass network-console/start=true file=file:/preseed.cfg console=ttyS0"
[02:47] <laird> some comments on discourse made me wonder if install patterns like this were supported on 22.04
[02:50] <laird> I hit this error and started wondering if I was doing something wrong - ERROR    Error validating install location: Could not find an installable distribution at URL 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/installer-amd64/'
[02:50] <laird> rbox - does that make any sense?
[02:51] <rbox> and what used to work
[02:52] <laird> substantially older LTS
[02:52] <rbox> for example...
[02:53] <laird> it's embarrassing but my home lab latest ubuntu preseed was 18
[02:53]  * rbox gives up and goes to do somethign else
[02:53] <laird> i've been working on other distros for a while and coming back to freshen my homelab
[02:54] <laird> trying to figure out what the pattern is today for virt-installing kvm guests with 22.04
[03:54] <josiah> hello
[03:54] <josiah> wazzup
[03:54] <josiah> I am running on a pine A64
[03:54] <josiah> aka a mini computer
[03:54] <josiah> hello
[04:01] <Psil0[m]> Hmm I had one I was using for a pfsense box
[04:01] <Psil0[m]> May format it debating styllllll look
[04:01] <Psil0[m]> Lol
[06:57] <ash_m> I think my problem was installing the google chrome remote desktop app; before removing it I was getting prompted to authorize just logging out
[06:58] <ash_m> both this laptop and my previous one is still experiencing the issue where sometimes my terminal appears to take up the whole screen behind the launcher
[06:58] <ash_m> considering this is persistant across devices, I am surprised no one else experiences such a thing
[06:59] <ash_m> brb
[06:59] <ash_m> seems to be reproducable by closing and opening the laptop
[07:00] <ash_m> guess I'll try backing up my bashrc and see if that does anything
[07:01] <ash_m> trying this again without tmux and bashrc
[07:02] <ash_m> still buggy
[07:02] <ash_m> /quit
[07:03] <ash_m> exit
[07:25] <olspookishmagus> hello, I'm having trouble with using a TP-Link USB-WiFi adapter. The v1 works flawlessly (it has an Atheros chipset) but I want to use a v4 with this box (it has a Realtek chipset). I'm using: ubuntu 22.04 on a 5.19.0-41-generic kernel
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> olspookishmagus: realtek based chipsets are kernel itchy, you might wanna dig into your logs to see whats going on
[07:27] <olspookishmagus> inserting the v4 while watching the syslog, I think it doesn't even get recognized
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> olspookishmagus: journalctl -f and plug your dongle, then !paste us the results with the output plz
[07:27] <olspookishmagus> ok
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> olspookishmagus: here's a few tp-link bugs on ubuntu you might wanna check too; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.searchtext=tp-link&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[07:38] <ash_m> this is the problem I was talking about: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1433479/maximized-windows-become-maximized-behind-launcher
[07:43] <ice9> on my laptop 11th gen, can't load gnome-shell if using kernel 6.2.0, the latest kernel that works is 5.19.0; any idea?
[08:43] <cbreak> finally switched from snap firefox to mozilla ppa firefox, and hoping they release the new thunderbird soon too
[08:54] <nikolam> Hello. Ok, now it is a major new bug that appears in 22.04 Xubuntu. I can't select folder for an app settings when requested. I select a folder but app does not get the info of an folder I selected..
[08:54] <nikolam> Happened in qbittorrent as I remember and now in Steam..
[08:55] <nikolam> Used to work in 22.04 before..
[08:58] <ice9> when upgrading ubuntu server from the cli, how to know if a restart is needed?
[08:58] <jallah> hello everyone
[08:59] <guiverc> ice9, I'd likely go by what packages were upgraded (ie. I read them before I type in the Y/yes proceed)
[09:11] <cbreak> ice9: it should tell you
[09:12] <cbreak> ice9: take a look at /etc/update-motd.d/98-reboot-required
[09:13] <ice9> thanks
[09:14] <ice9> using nvidia's prop driver takes a long time to load the desktop after login in gdm, any idea? while using nouveau, it loads instantly
[09:51] <elias_a> VLC is not able to stream to chromacast in 22.04.2. VLC sees chromacast as a rendering device in my local network. Streaming from Chromium works. Any ideas how to get VLC to work again?
[10:58] <nayeon> yo
[11:01] <brkcore> where wget saves the deb files by default, ubuntu?
[11:02] <brkcore> home directory right?
[11:02] <thrice>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[11:03] <oerheks> in your ~/
[11:03] <brkcore> ah right
[11:03] <brkcore> thanks man
[11:03] <thrice> unless you mean calling wget yourself, then it will go to the current directory
[11:06] <Guest19> Can someone help me fix ubuntu boot issue?
[11:06] <Guest19> It sometimes gets stuck on boot splash
[11:07] <oerheks> !bootrepair
[11:07] <Guest19> I have the Nvidia proprietary driver install
[11:07] <oerheks> ' sometimes'  is weird.
[11:07] <Guest19> yes i think so too
[11:08] <EriC^^> Guest19: look at /var/log/syslog to see what's happening
[11:08] <Guest19> if it gets stuck and reboot it it works after 2-4 reboots
[11:08] <Guest19> ok i will look
[11:10] <thrice> does it finish if you let it sit for awhile (2 minutes or so?)
[11:10] <Guest19> should i grep something specific or would you like to see the whole thing
[11:10] <Guest19> no it doesnt
[11:13] <Guest19> I wil pastebin everything
[11:21] <Guest19> The file is really big
[11:37] <Guest19> there is no pastebin that accepts it it is 2 mb or 12 mb for everything
[11:38] <thrice> http://ix.io/  ?
[11:38] <ioria> split
[11:39] <Guest19> how did you do that?
[11:39] <Guest19> I just pasted that are you a mod there?
[11:39] <thrice> ?
[11:39] <pickanick> Which is the "latest version" : "# An OpenSSL vulnerability has recently been fixed with USN-6188-1 & 6119-1:  # CVE-2023-2650: possible DoS translating ASN.1 object identifiers.  # Ensure you have updated the package to its latest version."
[11:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue summary: Processing some specially crafted ASN.1 object identifiers or data containing them may be very slow. Impact summary: Applications that use OBJ_obj2txt() directly, or use any of the OpenSSL subsystems OCSP, PKCS7/SMIME, CMS, CMP/CRMF or TS with no message size limit may experience notable to very long delays when processing those messages, which may lead to a D... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-2650>
[11:41] <Guest19> https://privatebin.at/?843a747db067eb13#6bUn69eXLvgfZXdzp2LSvRBwgYMiLmXotUAcDCveMKD3
[11:41] <Guest19> It wil take a minute to load if you click it
[11:48] <ravage> pickanick: the version you get with your regular updates
[11:51] <Guest19> Was anyone able to look at it?
[11:51] <Guest19> or should i try to make it smaller
[11:53] <ioria> Guest19, it loads fine
[11:53] <Guest19> ok :D
[11:53] <ioria> Guest19, a bit huge, yes ... how many times did you reboot ?
[11:54] <Guest19> today only 2
[11:54] <ioria> Guest19, fully updated ? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[11:54] <Guest19> i found out that if it gets stuck and i hold power(force shutdown) it works the next boot
[11:55] <Guest19> i think it puts something to default
[11:55] <Guest19> if i do upgrade it goes of lts to Ubuntu 23.04?
[11:56] <ioria> Guest19, nope, just run the command and press 'N' (in case you don't want it)
[11:56] <Guest19> i installed timeshift will i able to revert with that if something goes wrong?
[11:56] <ioria> i don't useit... idk
[11:57] <Guest19> i have never done an upgrade that went well on linux so
[11:57] <Guest19> maybe because i use none standard apps?
[11:57] <ioria> probably
[11:58] <Guest19> its not like super weird i still use apt install but somehow i always get more issues
[11:58] <Guest19> I will try to look it up
[12:01] <Guest19> people online said it is hit and miss on a restore
[12:01] <Guest19> It is probably best if i figure out the cause before attemting the upgrade
[12:02] <Guest19> Did you see anything weird in the log? so i can do more research i have no idea what to look for
[12:02] <ioria> Guest19, what's the problem you 're having ?
[12:03] <Guest19> Ubuntu gets stuck on the ubuntu load screen
[12:03] <Guest19> if i reboot it a few time it goes to the login screen
[12:03] <ioria> Guest19, have you tried to boot in Recovery mode ?
[12:04] <Guest19> I just have to reboot it a few times and it works perfectly after i reach the login screen
[12:04] <Guest19> so the issue is a weird one for me
[12:05] <Guest19> i use the nvidia proprietary driver
[12:05] <Guest19> I read nomodeet is onlu for noveau driver
[12:05] <Guest19> nomodeset
[12:06] <ioria> Guest19, yes, i see it;nope , nomodeset is generally used
[12:06] <Guest19> only
[12:06] <ioria> Guest19, so the the kernel will load only the essential modules
[12:07] <Guest19> so i should add nomodeset to grub even if i have proprietary driver, is what you mean right?
[12:07] <Guest19> and what did you see?
[12:08] <ioria> Guest19, that you use 530 ver
[12:08] <Guest19> oh of the nvidia driver yes i am
[12:09] <Guest19> there was a newer one i think but that one was no gud for me
[12:09] <ioria> Guest19,  Unable to read EDID for display device DP-0
[12:09] <Guest19> wow you are so fast on what line is that?
[12:10] <Guest19> 2278
[12:10] <Guest19> i think i read about edid before
[12:10] <Guest19> that has to do with lightdm?
[12:11] <ioria> Guest19,  it's just a warning, btw
[12:11] <pickanick> @ravage for openssl, reboot necessary or no?  service restart or no?
[12:13] <ioria> Guest19, lightdm ?  what flavor are you using ?
[12:13] <Guest19> I think it is normal
[12:13] <ioria> Guest19, i doubt it; default ubuntu uses gdm3
[12:13] <Guest19> i just dnwlouaded ubuntu no kubuntu xubuntu etc
[12:14] <ioria> Guest19, systemctl status gdm3
[12:14] <Guest19> downloaded not*
[12:14] <Guest19> ok
[12:14] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello. I'm unable to start my laptop. it gets stuck at "loading initial ramdisk..." I think this answer might be relevant: https://askubuntu.com/a/1332899 . however, it doesn't say "how" to edit. can someone please help me figure it out?
[12:16] <Guest19> you can edit kernel boot paremeters in grub menu
[12:17] <Guest19> ApostleInTriumph
[12:17] <oerheks> !grub
[12:18] <Guest19> ApostleInTriumph your issues may be simular to mine
[12:19] <Guest19> but i dont think mine gets stuck on it initramdisk
[12:24] <ApostleInTriumph> Guest19 do you know how to edit `/etc/default/grub` ?
[12:24] <Guest19> yes
[12:25] <Guest19> you can type sudo nano /etc/default.grub
[12:25] <Guest19> you can type sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[12:26] <ApostleInTriumph> Guest19: from where?
[12:27] <Guest19> a terminal
[12:27] <ApostleInTriumph> I press "e" and then go to terminal
[12:27] <ApostleInTriumph> from there?
[12:27] <Guest19> if you are talking about during boot
[12:27] <ApostleInTriumph> yes
[12:27] <Guest19> you can but that is for one time only
[12:28] <Guest19> e is to edit current boots kernel parameters
[12:28] <ApostleInTriumph> yes but I would need to get my system to start in the first place
[12:28] <Guest19> ah ok
[12:29] <ApostleInTriumph> after I press "e" I pressed F2 and got into ">grub" window
[12:29] <Guest19> e is not really terminal it is for current boot kernel parameters
[12:29] <ApostleInTriumph> from there, my system couldn't find "vi" or "nano"
[12:30] <Guest19> then nothing must be loaded
[12:30] <Guest19> you may not have filesystem acces yet somene better suited may need to help here
[12:31] <ApostleInTriumph> ah, but only thing I can access is a page with options "Ubuntu" , "Advanced Options for ubuntu" ...
[12:31] <Guest19> maybe you can post an photo?
[12:32] <Guest19> https://postimages.org/
[12:34] <Guest19> in advanced options there should be recovery options to try do they not work either?
[12:35] <ApostleInTriumph> https://postimg.cc/gnYRpTQJ/7f17889a
[12:35] <ApostleInTriumph> recovery mode also gets stuck
[12:35] <ApostleInTriumph> the image is that of the options i can see
[12:37] <Guest19> recovery mode should drop yu to terminal i think , if it gets stuck do you see any errors?
[12:37] <ApostleInTriumph> no there are no errors
[12:37] <ApostleInTriumph> it just says "loading initial ramdisk..."
[12:37] <ApostleInTriumph> and stays like this for an hour or so
[12:37] <ApostleInTriumph> as long as I leave it undisturbed
[12:38] <Guest19> Ok then i am not sure what to do right now either
[12:39] <Guest19> your issue may be going deeper than mine
[12:39] <Guest19> What did you do before it got stuck like that?
[12:40] <ApostleInTriumph> only thing I can recollect is, that my laptop was terribly overheated when i put it in my bag
[12:40] <ApostleInTriumph> I don't recall any program running at that time
[12:40] <ApostleInTriumph> i simply closed the lid and put it
[12:40] <ApostleInTriumph> It was boiling hot when I took it out. However, I ran hardware diagnostics that were suggested by Dell. None of them failed
[12:53] <Guest19> did the include an harddrive test?
[12:53] <Guest19> test*
[12:54] <Guest19> maybe it only tested cpu ram
[12:57] <ApostleInTriumph> hmm i'm not sure, yes, that could be possible
[12:58] <Guest19> maybe try to see if the disk works in another system(depending on how hard it is to remove)
[12:59] <Guest19> oh wait
[12:59] <Guest19> the disk would not drop you to grub menu if the dis stopped working lol
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:03] <Guest19> ioria https://privatebin.at/?a33ed0e5aaa5eec9#AaKmCXTAH5UkXuAf5MCMguBd4ShedAFcih4MUSQmwsPn
[13:04] <Guest19> also if i enable nomodeset during boot it gets stuck every time
[13:31] <Guest19> nomeset makes to worse for me. There were many places that recommended it >.<
[13:31] <Guest19> nomodeset*
[13:42] <webchat57> hi
[13:43] <Guest19> i see "proc_thermal_pci 0000:00:04.0: error: proc_thermal_add, will continue" before  it freezes i'm not sure what it means
[13:46] <webchat57> hi
[13:49] <Guest19> Hello webchat57
[13:53] <webchat465> hello
[14:41] <ice9> how to use Wayland with Nvidia's prop driver?
[14:50] <ice9> I implemented this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403854/cant-use-wayland-with-nvidia-510-drivers-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts but still using x11
[15:02] <jhutchins> ice9: What features does wayland have that you want or need?
[15:03] <ice9> jhutchins, guestures and it's more secure than x11 by design
[15:07] <olspookishmagus> is there a counter about systems broken by "unattended-upgrades"? if yes, increase it by 1
[15:08] <olspookishmagus> I'm on a remote location and seems like my troubles with that system NOT seeing TP-Link WN-722N v4 (which it COULD use it before leaving from where I set it up) was about something that had to do with unattended-upgrades
[15:09] <olspookishmagus> to make matters worse now I see no network interfaces except loopback, and I'm pretty sure that some stopped "unattended-upgrade" is the culprit
[15:10] <olspookishmagus> anyway, I'll try chroot-ing into that box and seeing if I can save that installation altough I fear that reinstalling might be my best option even though if that installation messes with "/home" that would mean a lot more work for me
[15:22] <olspookishmagus> for all its worth this is the controller that can't be seen:
[15:22] <olspookishmagus> 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP73 Ethernet (rev a2)
[15:24] <jhutchins> olspookishmagus: It's possible you have a hardware failure.
[15:27] <olspookishmagus> jhutchins: how to rule this out? I mean this system's ethernet controller was working fine, until as it seems, I've interrupted some "unattended-upgrade" procedure and now I only see "lo" in "ip link show"
[15:39] <olspookishmagus> ok, maybe it's better to go for the reinstallation method
[15:40] <olspookishmagus> is there a way to tell ubuntu to NOT to touch the /home partition?
[15:40] <olspookishmagus> hmmm... I'd better check this is on a separate partition first
[15:40] <olspookishmagus> rpool/USERDATA/acerveritonx270_8yoksa              146G   296G      146G  /home/acerveritonx270
[15:42] <olspookishmagus> this is my first ever zfs installation
[15:42] <olspookishmagus> I've also tried creating a USB bootable media using unetbootin with no success, what is the recommended way to make a bootable USB out of an .iso?
[15:44] <ravage> Balea etcher
[15:44] <ravage> And I would not go for ZFS on the desktop again
[15:44] <ravage> It's very poorly maintained
[15:45] <ravage> And that's an understatement
[15:49] <olspookishmagus> then maybe it would be best to get that box back with me where I'll do a reinstallation and use ext4 like I normally do
[15:54] <olspookishmagus> I read something about a "Startup Disk Creator" that's supposed to be available on my system but it's not
[15:54] <olspookishmagus> I'm on xubuntu 22.04 btw
[15:55] <ravage> that is only available on Ubuntu
[15:56] <olspookishmagus> ok
[15:56] <ravage> https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/releases/download/v1.18.11/balena-etcher_1.18.11_amd64.deb
[15:56] <ravage> or https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/releases/download/v1.18.11/balenaEtcher-1.18.11-x64.AppImage
[15:57] <ravage> maybe the appimage is the best choice
[16:04] <Elliria> It looks like the usb-creator-common package will give you the Startup Disk Creator, olspookishmagus.
[17:20] <ice9> I'm using Nvidia's prop driver and getting: https://bpa.st/L3AQ
[17:51] <jhutchins> ravage: xubuntu is just ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome, all of the applications re cross-compatible (unless they're gnome specific).
[17:54] <jhutchins> !info usb-creator-gtk
[17:55] <jhutchins> olspookishmagus: apt install usb-creator-gtk
[17:55] <jhutchins> olspookishmagus: It's not installed by default.
[19:20] <tripstah> can anyone help with the purple-facebook plugin for pidgin? jgeboski's repository doesn't have it anymore and i can't compile it either. https://jgeboski.github.io/#package-repositories
[19:20] <tripstah> it adds the facebook messenger to pidgin
[19:27] <oerheks> !build
[19:27] <oerheks> install build essentials, build the source, and read errors carefull, it gives a clue what -dev package is missing
[19:28] <oerheks> build help https://github.com/dequis/purple-facebook/wiki/Building-on-*NIX
[19:29] <oerheks> choose From the Git Repository, i guess
[19:29] <oerheks> last commit 2021, ... good luck!
[19:53] <nshirelaptop> having some trouble with bluetooth, nothing seems to hold connection. I'll toggle the switch on the bluetoothsettings menu, it will give the rotating "working" icon, then it will just go back to disconnected
[19:53] <nshirelaptop> anyone have any recommendations to figure this out?
[19:54] <nshirelaptop> bluetoothctl is showing rssis around -105 for everything, isn't that pretty low?
[19:55] <oerheks> i use bluez to scan, connect, set trusted
[19:55] <oerheks> after that, standard bt tool works fine
[19:58] <nshirelaptop> I got Connection Failed: br-connection-page-timeout
[19:59] <nshirelaptop> I think this is blueman
[20:18] <tripstah> oerheks: compiled succesfully, had a problem logging to facebook (ERROR_QUEUE_UNDERFLOW), hex edited libfacebook.so, success, it now seems to work!!
[20:27] <oerheks> yay, have fun!
[20:34] <ravage> i would still suggest any other way to chat :D
[20:35] <tripstah> i'm looking for a nicer client than pidgin! it's quite good tho.
[20:36] <ravage> i mean the faceboot part
[20:36] <ravage> *book
[20:37] <tripstah> ahh ok
[20:38] <cbreak> I've switched to IRSSI, it's nice
[20:39] <cbreak> (for irc though, not the face thingie)
[20:40] <tripstah> i'm a gui guy, i use hexchat.
[20:41] <cbreak> I was using Konversation before, it was ok. Tried hexchat too, it was also okish...
[20:41] <tripstah> ircii with a purepak's good tho!
[20:41] <cbreak> none of the clients I've found on linux were as nice looking as what I had on MacOS, but at least IRSSI is customizable :)
[20:41] <tripstah> amirc on amiga is my favorite client!
[20:42] <cbreak> (Used to use Textual over there)
[21:23] <Guest19> Can someone help me with my boot issue, i've been looking the whole day without a solution
[21:23] <Guest19> Ubuntu keep getting stuck right before login screen if i reboot i sometimes go to login screen and then works fine
[21:24] <Guest19> but if i start the laptop the next day it will get stuck on the loading screen again
[21:25] <thrice> somehow, you need to find what it's gettings tuck on
[21:25] <Guest19> It is weird that it sometimes works and sometimes doesnt
[21:25] <thrice> can you change tty when it's stuck (ctl+alt+f2) ?
[21:25] <Guest19> no i cant
[21:26] <Guest19> if i press power button it gets seems like it gets unstuck and shutdown with some shutdown text
[21:27] <Guest19> which is too fast for me to see
[21:27] <thrice> I would disable the boot splash, if you have it, and enable verbose output during the boot
[21:28] <Guest19> ok i will look how to do that
[21:28] <Guest19> i thought it was hold shift
[21:29] <thrice> at the grub screen, I think you push "e" to edit (?).  Or, if you're booted to the system, edit /etc/default/grub, remove things like "splash," "quiet" from the options, update-grub, and reboot
[21:30] <Guest19> i have quit splash in boot options
[21:30] <thrice> I'd remove both, that should give you a text, verbose output.  Maybe when it's "stuck" you can see what it's doing
[21:31] <Guest19> ok
[21:41] <Guest19> ok it failes to loadsave nvidia brightnes backlight thing
[21:43] <Guest19> but in the log it says it finishes
[21:43] <Guest19> should it not say error?
[21:44] <Guest19> "Ubuntu_Laptop systemd-backlight[1763]: nvidia_0: Failed to write system 'brightness' attribute: Invalid argument"
[21:44] <Guest19> Is this a bug or do i have to change a setting?
[21:45] <Guest19> because it does suceed sometimes
[22:06] <lord_daemon> what linux software can i use to manage my switches: cisco, dell, hp. I used one from HP but I forgot the name. I just want to build the topology and know when a switch is down (it will turn red). this software was good because it could specify the UPLINK ports
[22:07] <WaV> Not sure, but a google search of your criteria mentions NetXMS?
[22:08] <olspookishmagus> ok, I've somehow managed to have this system back up and working somehow
[22:08] <olspookishmagus> I looked into /var/log/apt/hist* logs and also /var/log/unattended-upgrades
[22:09] <olspookishmagus> and I've concluded this messup was all because of upgrading to 5.19.0-40-generic
[22:10] <olspookishmagus> having a look at some "virtual packages" there is no way I could go to 5.19.0-41-generic
[22:13] <monty_hall> why is ubuntu app/software center missing so many packages?  Why not just use synaptic?  All I've ever used is apt/dpkg and synaptic for browsing.  The ubuntu app/software center is missing a ton of packages.  Power line fonts?  Available in synaptic not available in ubuntu software/app center.  What's the point of it?
[22:16] <Unit193> I think the software center really only shows desktop applications, those shipping metainfo files.
[22:17] <leftyfb> Unit193: it actually has quite a lot of CLI apps as well
[22:18] <Unit193> leftyfb: I presume those CLI applications ship metainfo files?  Or at the very least, desktop files would be required.
[22:18] <leftyfb> not sure
[22:19] <Unit193> Hmm... Neither alpine nor irssi have desktop files, can you see those?
[22:19] <leftyfb> vim and nmap are a couple
[22:19] <leftyfb> also links
[22:19] <leftyfb> irssi shows up
[22:19] <leftyfb> alpine does not
[22:19] <leftyfb> nano does though
[22:21] <Unit193> Alpine is in universe and irssi main, but nmap is in universe too!  OK, no freaking clue then.  I thought the software center was relying on metainfo (which falls back to desktop files) but it would appear not...
[22:21] <Unit193> leftyfb: Just to confirm, irssi and nmap weren't already installed right?
[22:22] <leftyfb> nmap is(obviously), irssi is not
[22:24] <topcat001> Guest19: It seems like a race condition with loading the nvidia drivers. Did you try `update-initramfs -u` after a successful boot to ensure the modules are included there correctly for early loading? I'm guessing of course.
[22:25] <Guest19> not
[22:25] <Guest19> Can you explain that further?
[22:26] <Guest19> does it save a start order?
[22:27] <Guest19> does the modify the kernel?
[22:27] <topcat001> In a typical ubuntu install, the nvidia drivers are automatically added to the initramfs, which loads (early userspace) before the root filesystem's init (late userspace).
[22:27] <Guest19> that
[22:28] <Guest19> ok i think i follow
[22:28] <topcat001> this is desirable, because modern systems boot so fast that the driver is not initialised fully before its users/clients try to use it.
[22:29] <Guest19> but in my case the load is slightly delayed causng out of sync loading?
[22:29] <topcat001> However, due to an update quirk, or another reason, it might not be working for you. The driver will still load later, and sometimes will finish initialising in time, but sometimes not.
[22:30] <olspookishmagus> anyway I now moved into 5.19.0-41-generic and I think everything's working again
[22:30] <topcat001> I'm only guessing, but if this happens you will get random failures. In other words, a race condition.
[22:30] <topcat001> Manually regenerating the initramfs might set things right.
[22:31] <Guest19> ok but it doesnt change the kernel right?
[22:31] <topcat001> No, only the initramfs
[22:31] <Guest19> ok i will try your sugeston
[22:32] <Guest19> if it doesnt work or makes things worse i can rever it with timeshift?
[22:32] <topcat001> In any case, it should not break anything.
[22:32] <Guest19> im known to be an edge case :(
[22:33] <topcat001> you can restore the previous initramfs (in /boot)
[22:40] <Guest19> It has not broken anything \~.~/
[22:41] <Guest19> It seems to work but i will have to test over a few days to see how often i have to reboot
[22:41] <Guest19> Thank you for your sugestion topcat001
[22:42] <topcat001> np and good luck!


[01:03] <Uziah> Anyone in here using nextcloud after the update debacle? Also, anyone know what the reliability is? I only ask here because I saw that Martin Wimpress had a post about using the nextcloud box.
[01:15] <billh> hello anybody home?
[03:14] <edmillion> using inspiron e1705 having wifi connection issues
[03:14] <edmillion> intel pro wireless 3945
[03:15] <edmillion> watched 100s of videos and how tos nothing seems to work any push in the right direction would be awesome
[03:15] <nomic> u can wrap a windows driver using 'ndiswrapper'
[03:16] <nomic> so linux can use windows driver
[03:16] <nomic> usb wirless will work
[03:16] <nomic> e1705 is v old
[03:16] <edmillion> yes it is
[03:17] <nomic> its not just 'mate' .. this place isn't that populated
[03:17] <nomic> you get more support on #ubuntu or ubuntu forums (v busy)
[03:18] <edmillion> can i get a  windows driver through terminal
[03:18] <nomic> if you have a usb wireless adaptor, mate (or antyhing)
[03:18] <nomic> will pick up your wireless
[03:18] <nomic> mebbe easier
[03:18] <nomic> cheapo usb key
[03:18] <edmillion> also i have a inspiron 560 desktop will that be a better option
[03:18] <edmillion> i cant get wireless on that as well
[03:18] <edmillion> i know they are both old
[03:18] <nomic> i dunno .. i just said ndiswrapper enables use of windows drivers
[03:19] <nomic> get something like netgear wsg511 key
[03:19] <nomic> works with anything
[03:19] <edmillion> thanks
[03:20] <edmillion> thats prob the least stressful option
[03:20] <nomic> Netgear WG111v2 USB 2.0 Wireless Network Adapter 54Mbps Wifi USB Dongle 802.11G
[03:21] <nomic> ebay $4.99 or lower
[03:21] <nomic> plug it in .. any linux will recognise wirelss from usb
[03:21] <nomic> Netgear WG111v2 USB 2.0 Wireless Network Adapter 54Mbps Wifi USB Dongle 802.11G
[03:21] <nomic> ebay $4.99 or lower
[03:21] <nomic> plug it in .. any linux will recognise wirelss from usb
[03:22] <nomic> seeing 1 for $3.99 new
[03:22] <nomic> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SEALED-Netgear-54-MBPS-Wireless-G-USB-2-0-Adapter-New-WG111-/292067588799?hash=item440095babf:g:iGIAAOSwdGFYr2GA
[03:22] <nomic> hell of a lot simpler
[03:22] <nomic> easy for desktop
[03:23] <nomic> with a laptop, would just use a usb wire ... male . to femail ..
[03:23] <nomic> wg111 I have found 100% compatible everywhere
[03:23] <nomic> n cheap now
[03:23] <nomic> $3.99
[03:24] <nomic> netgear wg111v2
[03:27] <nomic> u there edmillion
[03:34] <edmillion> sorry yea im here
[03:35] <edmillion> i was downloading ndisgtk
[09:25] <pepe__> i have a problem with update
[09:29] <pepe__> https://pastebin.com/PCtHVz0D
[09:30] <pepe__> what going on with this error to update?
[09:37] <alkisg> Seems like your server is currently updating, try later or try with the main server
[09:39] <pepe__> I am worried
[09:39] <pepe__> I read that sha1 is not safe
[09:40] <pepe__> Why people keep using sha1 ?
[09:41] <alkisg> It's not about security there
[09:41] <alkisg> It's about checksum, if they're downloaded OK
[09:41] <alkisg> The .deb packages are signed by their authors, that's where security is
[09:41] <pepe__> this checksum sha1 isn't safe
[09:42] <alkisg> 1+2+3=6. That's a checksum
[09:42] <alkisg> It's not about security
[09:42] <alkisg> It's about verifying that your internet connection didn't break the download
[09:42] <pepe__> https://youtu.be/HguaJV7tGtU
[09:43] <alkisg> Maybe you don't know the difference between signatures and checksums?
[09:43] <alkisg> Google those 2 words...
[09:44] <alkisg> sha1 can be used for signatures where it's not secure
[09:44] <alkisg> Checksums can be calculated with crc32, with md5, with sha... whatever,
[09:44] <alkisg> and there can be collisions, sure; but the signatures in the .debs are not sha1, they're sha512
[09:44] <alkisg> That's where security is, not on the checksum
[09:47] <marina> MMM
[09:47] <pepe__> how can i fix the update?
[09:48] <alkisg> It's a server issue, you can report it to your country ubuntu servers, or just wait for their update to complete
[09:49] <pepe__> any way that can i do ,to change the country server?
[09:49] <marina> still sitting in the classroom........
[09:49] <marina> hi
[09:59] <pepe__> i found a tutorial "how change the mirrirs country server"
[09:59] <pepe__> i gonna try
[09:59] <pepe__> *mirrors
[10:09] <pepe__> i have changed the mirror ,fixed it
[10:09] <pepe__> I do not trust the mirrors of my country.
[10:11] <pepe__> thanks ,bye
[10:12] <marina_> got it
[10:13] <marina> uuupppsss
[15:48] <constantinos> hello
[17:11] <caligula2000> somebody know how to lock mate-screensaver from an udev rule
[17:12] <caligula2000> sudo -H -u <user> mate-screensaver-command --lock doesn't any longer work on 17.04
[17:14] <caligula2000> also no success with "dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.mate.ScreenSaver /org/mate/ScreenSaver org.mate.ScreenSaver.Lock"
[17:39] <mate|55340> sup
[17:54] <alkisg> caligula2000: services aren't supposed to show GUI items inside the session
[17:54] <alkisg> You could e.g. make a dbus service, and have a user-side process listen to events from that
[17:55] <alkisg> That's why mate-screensaver runs as the user and not as root...
[18:33] <Minty95> Hello
[19:54] <brandon_> Hi! Anyone there?
[22:29] <emily_> meed help 3 keys do mot fumctiom om my laptop
[22:30] <emily_> i have to remap them somehow to the useless calc, mail, etc type keys
[22:32] <emily_> its the letter after A, the letter after m, as well as the letter after i
[22:32] <emily_> ideas?
[22:37] <workstation> alguien habla español que pueda ayudarme
[22:56] <techd> hey all


 It prints pretty well
 This is PETG.  I'm experimenting. https://print2.adamoutler.com/webcam/?action=stream&1539029172807
 @AdamOutler - did you hear about the Google Plus mess?
 @KMyers just saw you wished me a happy bday like a month ago.... thank you dear sir...
 I was wondering where you have been
 What happened with Google Plus @KMyers
 @AdamOutler, Google is shutting it down - and they discovered a bug with the API that could have leaked personal details
 Project Strobe: Protecting your data, improving our third-party APIs, and sunsetting consumer Google+ … https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/project-strobe/
 So they're shutting the whole thing down?!?
 what?
 Yes, read above
 The review did highlight the significant challenges in creating and maintaining a successful Google+ that meets consumers’ expectations. Given these challenges and the very low usage of the consumer version of Google+, we decided to sunset the consumer version of Google+.
 wow.
 No social media for me.
 You could host a Mastodon image as well
 @KMyers mx3 is out of stock everywhere :(


[00:39] <pleia2> ok, articles have been sent off to summary writers
[17:50] <scott_ev> pleia2, summary writers - I'll be sleeping all day today and will start writing summaries when I get up
[17:54] <PaulW2U> scott_ev: ok, I'll leave some for you :)


[08:07] <nigelb> mhall119: Thank you!
[18:12] <mhall119> Took you a day to respond, that must mean you had a good one :)


[00:20] <anastasiamac> menn0: wallyworld: txn-revno related bug 1484105
[00:20] <mup> Bug #1484105: juju upgrade-charm returns ERROR state changing too quickly; try again soon <bug-squad> <canonical-is> <upgrade-charm> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484105>
[00:21] <wallyworld> that's the one
[00:25] <menn0> anastasiamac: thank you
[00:26] <anastasiamac> menn0: wallyworld: anytime \o/
[00:36] <menn0> wallyworld: i've assigned that maas apt proxy one to you
[00:40] <babbageclunk> menn0: review plz? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6974
[00:41] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: easiest review eva https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6975
[00:41] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: looking
[00:42] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I mean, I've seen shorter, but that was pretty easy. LGTM'd!
[00:43] <wallyworld> ty
[00:43] <wallyworld> you say that to all the boys
[00:43] <menn0> babbageclunk: looking
[00:46] <babbageclunk> menn0: ta
[00:48] <menn0> babbageclunk: great PR description! regarding your QA steps I would test with a charm that uses resources and ensure that those downloads go through the proxy
[00:48]  * menn0 tries to remember a good charm to test with
[00:49] <babbageclunk> menn0: ok - yeah, I was about to ask that
[00:49] <menn0> babbageclunk: there *is* a good one - I used it for testing migration of resources
[00:50] <wallyworld> menn0: tiny PR - prereq for maas apt proxy issue https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/267
[00:51] <menn0> wallyworld: nice. will look soon.
[00:51] <wallyworld> the juju one wil lalso be 2 lines :-)
[00:52] <menn0> babbageclunk: the mattermost charm uses resources
[00:52] <menn0> babbageclunk: that's a good one to test with
[00:52] <babbageclunk> menn0: Ah, great, thanks/
[00:53] <menn0> wallyworld: ship it
[00:53] <wallyworld> ty
[00:53] <babbageclunk> menn0: how can I get the download to happen a second time? Oh, I guess the first charm download should just not be mattermost.
[00:54] <wallyworld> menn0: there were no tests for those fie names
[00:54] <menn0> babbageclunk: yeah... once it's cached in the controller it'll keep using the cached version
[00:58]  * babbageclunk goes for a run
[01:05] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: Thanks for updating the bug with the PR - just came back to do the same thing!
[01:06]  * babbageclunk really goes for a run
[01:06] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: :)
[01:06] <blahdeblah> Really actually running is a lot better for you than just intending to run & then not doing it. :-)
[01:07] <wallyworld> menn0: another 2 liner https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6976
[01:08] <menn0> wallyworld: ship it
[01:09] <wallyworld> ta
[01:09] <menn0> wallyworld: don't forget develop
[01:10] <menn0> babbageclunk: so much lovely copy pasta :)
[01:13] <thumper> should we just do a bigger merge of 2.1 into develop as we near release?
[01:13] <thumper> that way not everyone has to worry about every merge
[01:25] <anastasiamac> thumper: menn0: +1 on merge from 2.1 into develop. jam is doing it almost daily
[01:25] <anastasiamac> thumper: menn0: this also eliminates the need to add bugs to 2.2 series. it's noise! it is expected that whatever is addressed on 2.1 will go into 2.2
[01:26] <anastasiamac> addition of 2.2 series only makes sense if *implementation* will change btw 2.1 and 2.2
[01:30] <menn0> anastasiamac: sgtm
[01:44] <menn0> babbageclunk: review done. sorry for delay. lots of interrupts.
[01:45] <anastasiamac> thumper: wallyworld: menn0: for allocation... would be awesome to have snap bin in $PATH - originally triaged to 2.2 coz life... bug 1660273
[01:45] <menn0> babbageclunk: a few little things, depends on your QA as well of course
[01:45] <mup> Bug #1660273: `juju run` does not include /snap/bin in $PATH <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660273>
[01:49] <thumper> anastasiamac: seems like the host didn't have /snap/bin in the PATH
[01:49] <thumper> we don't do anything special with PATHs here
[01:49] <anastasiamac> thumper: it has been seen by different ppl. we need an answer
[01:49] <anastasiamac> thumper:  the most recent ne was from stub
[01:50] <anastasiamac> one*
[01:50] <thumper> my answer is that it isn't juju's job to manage the snap path
[01:50] <thumper> who knows about snaps?
[01:51] <anastasiamac> k. i guess balloons for us?...
[01:59] <stokachu> i do
[01:59] <stokachu> so xenial server contains /snap/bin in $PATH but the cloud images do not
[02:00] <stokachu> probably easier to go that route if you need it included
[02:00] <anastasiamac> stokachu: note on the bug would be awesome \o/ do we need to get CPC team involved?
[02:01] <stokachu> anastasiamac, yea probably talk to slangasek about getting it added
[02:01] <axw> wallyworld thumper menn0 anastasiamac: do any of you have access to any non-x86 machines that I can test manual provisioning on?
[02:01] <stokachu> anastasiamac, which bug?
[02:01] <stokachu> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660273?
[02:01] <mup> Bug #1660273: `juju run` does not include /snap/bin in $PATH <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660273>
[02:01] <thumper> axw: sorry, no
[02:01] <menn0> axw: I do not
[02:02]  * axw looks at qemu with resignation
[02:02] <wallyworld> :-(
[02:02] <axw> that's a bad word isn't it
[02:04] <anastasiamac> stokachu: yes. (I *think* i marked all related to it as duplicates..  there shouldn't b others floating around)
[02:05] <anastasiamac> axw: no :( maybe QA team does?
[02:05] <axw> oh yes of course
[02:05] <axw> anastasiamac: thanks
[02:05] <anastasiamac> axw: \o/
[02:05] <axw> veebers: do you have a non-x86 machine I can test manual provisioning on?
[02:07] <veebers> axw: I don't, I'm not sure what hardware CI might have available for such a task either, I can find out for you
[02:08] <axw> veebers: if you would that'd be great, thanks
[02:09] <veebers> axw: can do, will probably be tomorrow before we get the info though
[02:09] <axw> veebers: okey dokey
[02:09] <axw> veebers: I'll look at using a public cloud provider for now, but will be good to know for future
[02:12] <veebers> axw: ack, sorry I didn't know off-hand :-P
[02:13] <axw> veebers: no problem, thank you
[02:37] <axw> whoa, develop is blessed
[02:47] <balloons> veebers, the jenkins slaves can be used as needed for non-x86 hardware. What does axw need?
[02:47] <axw> balloons: anything will do
[02:47] <axw> arm64?
[02:47] <balloons> anything? axw, there's also the porter's boxes
[02:47] <axw> balloons: the what now?
[02:47] <axw> oh OS porters?
[02:47] <balloons> right
[02:48] <axw> balloons: how does one get access? I want to run juju on the host, and provision a LXD container in it
[02:48] <menn0> babbageclunk: easy one: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6977
[02:48] <balloons> axw, anyways, what do you want to do on the machine?
[02:48] <babbageclunk> menn0: looking
[02:49] <balloons> axw, cloud-city is your ticket to getting in; look at the ssh config in that repo, along with the key you need to ssh in
[02:49] <axw> balloons: ok thanks. I already spun up a host on Packet, but will have a look there next time
[02:49] <balloons> axw, I was poking veebers since it would be useful for him to know this :-)
[02:50] <balloons> But it would be useful for the devs to know it as well
[02:50] <axw> okey dokey
[02:50] <veebers> balloons: indeed, thanks for that I'll make sure to remember for the future :-)
[02:50] <balloons> veebers, happy belated birthday.. must be almost 2 days late now eh? But it's your birthday here!
[02:51] <veebers> balloons: heh, only 1 day. Thanks! ^_^
[02:51] <anastasiamac> veebers: \o/ HB!!
[02:51] <veebers> anastasiamac: thanks :-)
[02:52] <axw> veebers: happy birthday :)
[02:52] <veebers> thanks axw
[02:56] <axw> so I have Juju running on a machine with 96 ARM64 cores, 128GB DDR4 ECC RAM. fun
[03:02] <babbageclunk> veebers: Happy birthday! For yesterday!
[03:12] <veebers> cheers babbageclunk
[03:16] <veebers> axw: just saw your email, 96 cores! nice
[03:19] <axw> veebers: I'll file the bug
[03:21] <veebers> axw: ah re: cores not showing the correct value. sweet
[03:47] <babbageclunk> menn0: yay, proxy stuff looks good - it's quite fun watching all the requests scroll past in the log
[03:47] <babbageclunk> menn0: What did you want me to look out for wrt resources?
[03:49] <menn0> babbageclunk: just that the resource download also goes through the proxy when you expect it to
[03:49] <menn0> babbageclunk: I guess if it's TLS, it's hard to tell?
[03:49] <menn0> babbageclunk: they come from the charm store
[03:51] <babbageclunk> menn0: but that wouldn't be installed until after the charm software?
[03:52] <menn0> babbageclunk: that's right. the resource gets pulled when the first unit requests it.
[03:53] <babbageclunk> menn0: oh, just saw some stuff for api.jujucharms.com - presumably that was it (since the charm code itself would have been downloaded before the deploy started).
[03:54] <babbageclunk> menn0: ok, I think that's right.
[03:57] <menn0> babbageclunk: sounds good! nice work.
[04:19] <axw> jam: I've updated https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6970 with a fix for the arch thing, PTAL when you can
[04:19] <axw> (also responded to your other questions/comments)
[04:20] <axw> wallyworld: did you see my replies on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6970? are your concerns allayed?
[04:37] <jam> axw: we should probably just chat about it quickly
[04:37] <jam> as I don't think I conveyed my thoughts well, given your replies
[04:37] <axw> jam: ok
[04:38] <axw> jam: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/axw-jam?authuser=1
[04:38] <axw> jam: or we can IRC if you prefer
[04:38] <jam> ho, just give me a sec
[06:00] <axw> jam: just thinking about the Arch thing a bit more. it's possible for InstanceConfig to have tools for multiple arches, so we can't set an overall Arch on entry. the provider gets to choose which arch to start. for LXD, we filter it down to the host arch before passing the tools.List in
[06:00] <axw> jam: I'll leave a comment explaining that where I've used the AgentVersion method
[06:00] <axw> jam: alternatively I can just call HostArch, that might be clearer
[06:02] <jam> axw: I'm happy with HostArch, but a comment is probably useful as well
[06:02] <axw> jam: will do
[07:00] <axw> jam: ah, NewKvmBroker is the one you're going to delete. sorry for the noise
[07:00] <jam> axw: yhea
[07:01] <jam> yehaa? anyway, np
[07:12] <wallyworld> axw: sorry, missed your msg
[07:16] <axw> wallyworld: np, I merged it anyway :p
[07:16] <wallyworld> yeah i read the comments
[07:24] <mup> Bug #1664359 changed: Authentication fails for juju 1.25.6 on aws <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664359>
[07:43] <axw> anastasiamac_: I can't repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1539684 in 2.1. what's the protocol, mark as Invalid and say to reopen if it's still an issue?
[07:43] <mup> Bug #1539684: storage-get unable to access previously attached devices <canonical-bootstack> <storage> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539684>
[08:33] <anastasiamac_> axw: no protocol - depends on the bug :) if the issues is suspected to b fixed, makr as Fixed Committed
[08:34] <axw> anastasiamac_: ok
[08:34] <anastasiamac_> axw: if noone touched the functionality, quirks in setup, etc, then Invalid (if we won't fix)
[08:34] <anastasiamac_> or incomplete if we need more info
[08:34] <axw> anastasiamac_: well the code was overhauled in 2.0 (actually 1.26)
[08:34] <axw> anastasiamac_: so could well be a fix fell out of that
[08:34] <anastasiamac_> axw: so most likely its Fixed :)
[08:34] <anastasiamac_> axw: yes
[08:34] <axw> anastasiamac_: I'll mark as Fix Committed with a comment to that effect
[08:35] <anastasiamac_> axw: my hero \o/
[08:46] <axw> jam: can you please take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6980?
[08:48] <jam> axw: fwiw, I had submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1654943 but it seems your bug predates mine
[08:48] <mup> Bug #1654943: cloud init script should have better preference for IP addresses for agent binaries <containers> <network> <spaces> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654943>
[08:49] <axw> jam: ah, I'll reference that in the TODO then
[08:49] <axw> oh but you already made it a dup
[08:49] <axw> jam: I think we should leave that one open for the final fix
[08:50] <jam> axw: either way, I marked it a duplicate, but if we want to leave mine open as a "correct fix" vs yours as the "quick timeout" that's fine with me
[08:50] <axw> yeah, I'll make the change
[08:50] <jam> axw: we don't have a test anywhere of the command we create for curl? it seems like just getting the command string and asserting it, with annotations in the test as to why we want all the parts?
[08:51] <axw> jam: we do, but it's not checking all the flags
[08:51] <axw> I'll update before landing
[08:54] <axw> jam: pushed again with test updated
[09:36] <jam> btw, approved
[09:36] <jam> axw: ^^ forgot to ping you
[09:36] <axw> jam: thanks
[16:09] <rogpeppe> anyone around to give a review of this, please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6964
[16:12] <rick_h> perrito666: ^
[16:30] <perrito666> rick_h: rogpeppe just returning from lunch, ill take a look
[23:05] <axw> thumper: can you please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6982?
[23:09] <thumper> shipit
[23:09] <axw> gracias
[23:18] <menn0-busy> anastasiamac_: so bug 1664409 certainly looks like a networking issue
[23:18] <mup> Bug #1664409: juju 2.1-beta5 - juju 2.1rc2 - localhost failing to allocate a nested container with an ip <conjure> <regression> <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.1:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1664409>
[23:19] <menn0> anastasiamac_: jam's theory about conjure-up workarounds fighting what juju is doing (now that it does things better) seems plausible
[23:20] <menn0> anastasiamac_: aside from already having too much on his plate, jam is best placed to deal with it
[23:20] <anastasiamac_> menn0: the question is - do we fix it on our side or conjure-up? do we have a fix? is a  quick fix? r we going to fix it today?
[23:21] <anastasiamac_> menn0: questions r*... i guess :D
[23:43] <wallyworld> thumper: for standup, which I'll miss due to interview, I have 3 PRs needing review, 2 juju and 1 goose (linked from the juju openstack PR). i also fixed 2 other bugs, the maas apt proxy one and the status colour one
[23:45] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld: do u have a bug reference for colour one?
[23:46] <wallyworld> anastasiamac_: no, it was a direct request
[23:58] <stokachu> anastasiamac_, i dont have a fix yet
[23:58] <stokachu> anastasiamac_, one thing ive been thinking about is not allowing conjure-up to deploy things to nested lxd containers
[23:59] <stokachu> but that changes the deployment for just one provider since aws/gce allow this
[23:59] <stokachu> and we try to stay as close to the bundle spec as possible


[11:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[15:50] <brobostigon> [A
[15:50]  * brobostigon returns