[00:02] <justs0me> at shut i get "mmap dev/zero: permission denied" why ?
[00:06] <genii> justs0me: google tells me it may have something to do with vesa extensions not found or so  (from this page) http://www.mindfrost82.com/f199-ubuntu/215758-video-resolution-8-04-beta.html
[00:08] <justs0me> k thanks
[00:09] <lavacano201014> Did someone highlight me earlier?
[00:09] <lavacano201014> XChat's scrollback doesn't go back that far.
[00:11] <lavacano201014> ah vell
[00:11]  * lavacano201014 starts his music and does stuff
[00:12]  * genii sips his coffee and does stuff
[00:20]  * Daisuke_Laptop does stuff to genii's coffee
[00:21]  * genii undoes it
[00:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> no whiskey/
[00:21] <genii> Ah. Thats acceptable modifications then
[00:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> of course, i wouldn't do anything evil to anyone's coffee - that's a sacred drink
[00:23] <genii> :)
[00:44] <meeowzers> quick question, I have an SD card that won't read on Hardy but reads fine on my Sabayon box
[00:44] <meeowzers> does Kubuntu support fat16 default?
[00:44] <meeowzers> I would guess so since it's based on Debian
[00:44] <Richard> yes
[00:45] <renan> algum brasiliro aqui
[00:48] <Richard> renan nao obvio
[00:51] <leba_> How do I move a folder contents using cp command ?
[00:53] <Richard> mv folder/* newfolder/
[00:53] <leba_> Richard, ok, let me check it. ;)
[01:00] <hex_1> Hi all
[01:00] <hex_1> kubuntu has any tool, like pkgtool?
[01:01] <joseph> what's the best kind of usb hard drive to get for use with kubuntu? i want to run xp in a virtualmachine using the ext. hard drive.
[01:01] <hex_1> i´m trying to remove a pkg, but i can´t get into pkgtool
[01:01] <Richard> any drive
[01:01] <Richard> i like plextor's
[01:01] <hex_1> any body help?
[01:02] <hex_1> whtaś the comand line for pkgtool?
[01:02] <joseph> so there aren't any problems with usb drives then with kubuntu?
[01:03] <Richard> not that i know of
[01:06] <rikard> I'm attempting to use kismet, but I need to "
[01:06] <rikard> using the serialmonkey GPL'd
[01:06] <rikard>                      rt2x00 drivers.  Must use 1.2.2 beta 2 or newer drivers.
[01:06] <rikard> Ack. That didn't come out appropriately. Sorry. Not used to Konversation yet.
[01:07] <rikard> Anyway, I need to find the serialmonkey rt2x00 drivers. I've found a site here that says they're accessible via git, but the packman for kubuntu is apt-get. So how do I access these?
[01:07] <hex_1> please
[01:07] <hex_1> i wanna remove a pkg from kde
[01:07] <hex_1> what´s the comand line should i use???
[01:08] <murchadh> !aptitude
[01:10] <LanceMartin> Hello
[01:11] <LanceMartin> testing
[01:11] <rikard> Anyone? I need wireless-dev to get serialmonkeys rt2x00 wireless card drivers, but it's not on apt-get for Kubuntu.
[01:12] <Richard> hex_1 aptitude remove package
[01:14] <czybyszew> Jest jakiś rodak na kanale ?
[01:15] <LanceMartin> telephone dialing program?  I want the modem to dial a phone number --
[01:15] <rikard> Anybody? Hello? :/
[01:15] <LanceMartin> Hello Rikard
[01:15] <dthacker-work> !patience | rikard
[01:15] <rikard> Hello Lance.
[01:16] <rikard> Also, hello random irc bot. Despite your AI like ability to infer a user is becoming irate and demanding, perhaps your owner should program you to recognize simple disdain in people. Maybe his personality rubbed off on you. :/
[01:19] <dthacker-work> rikard, channel etiquette is to not repeat one's question more often than once every 10 minutes or so, which you should see in the guidelines.
[01:19] <dthacker-work> !alien
[01:20] <LanceMartin> Is apt better than RPM?
[01:20] <rikard> Dthacker-work, perhaps I'm new to IRC in general, and the guidelines aren't exactly "posted" when you join the channel.
[01:20] <rikard> Channel etiquette is also, apparently, belittle the ignorant newbie.
[01:21] <dthacker-work> LanceMartin: that's an endless debate.   Ubuntu has chosen to use apt, so that's what we support here.
[01:22] <LanceMartin> Okay, I have been out of linux for a long time ... my questions might be those of a complete newbie.
[01:22] <dthacker-work> rikard: no offense was intended.  The guidelines help irc volunteers to help you when things get busy.
[01:23] <dthacker-work> LanceMartin: we were all new once! :)
[01:23] <rikard> My apologies. I'm just irate for no good reason.  I downloaded one but I don't know how to make it work.
[01:25] <dthacker-work> LanceMartin: I haven't used one in a long time.   I would fire up adept and query for strings like "modem" and "dialer".  What is the name of the package you downloaded?
[01:25] <LanceMartin> thank you!
[01:26] <dthacker-work> rikard: Hardware can be very frustrating.  I'd suggest you visit the forums and query for your card.   You may find someone else who has gotten it to work.
[01:26] <rikard> The card works fine. I'm looking to replace the stock kubuntu driver with the serialmoneky specific that supports packet injection so that kismet will work.
[01:27] <yogi_> um, I have a question about getting wifi to work for my dell inspiron in hardy...anyone?
[01:27] <dthacker-work> rikard: I'd still recommend the forums in that case.
[01:28] <rikard> Thank you.
[01:28] <dthacker-work> yogi_: please state the problem
[01:28] <rikard> Whats the kubuntu equivalent of gedit?
[01:29] <dthacker-work> rikard: hmmmm. never used much gnome.   Kate, perhaps?  (text editor?)
[01:29] <yogi_> i'm currently using kubuntu gutsy for my inspiron 1505 and I have wifi working. I can't get it to work in Hardy. I assumed the procedure would be the same, but I'm wondering if there are any modules that might be interfereing with ndiswrapper
[01:29] <yogi_> yup kate
[01:30] <rikard> Yep. It's kate. thanks.
[01:31] <rikard> Ok. When attempting to edit a .conf file, if I try to kate *.conf while I'm root, I get an error that I couldn't connect to X server.
[01:31] <rikard> However, if I do it as my standard user, I can open the file fine, but can't save.
[01:31] <rikard> Perhaps, because I don't have permission.
[01:31] <dthacker-work> yogi_: I don't know of any.  Have you checked the wifi resources online?
[01:31] <dthacker-work> rikard: are you using sudo or su?
[01:32] <dthacker-work> !wifi | yogi_
[01:32] <rikard> su -
[01:32] <rikard> ps
[01:32] <rikard> er, password.
[01:32] <dthacker-work> rikard: try sudo, I think you're losing your X env when you su.
[01:33] <rikard> Worked great. What does "losing my x env" mean, if you have time to explain it?
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> rikard- kdesu kate
[01:33] <rikard> Kismet up and running. Fantastic.
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> Don't use sudo for GUI apps. That's what kdesu is for
[01:34] <rikard> It still worked, dragn, but I will remember thati n the future.
[01:34] <rikard> Kubuntu: 1. Fedora 9/Ubuntu: 0.
[01:34] <rikard> Kismet hardlocked my system in fedora and ubuntu. Kubuntu it didn't. Wee! :D
[01:34] <yogi_> dthacker & ubottu --- thanks
[01:34] <rikard> Thanks for the help guys.
[01:35] <dthacker-work> rikard: your X server is set as an shell environment variable.  When you su -, you take root's shell and leave yours.  If you su (no dash) or sudo, you bring your shell environment with you.
[01:36] <dthacker-work> Dragnslcr is right about GUI apps and sudo.
[01:36] <rikard> I see!
[01:36] <rikard> Thank you, dt. That makes more sense now.
[01:36] <rikard> Tomorrow is Linux day at the course I'm taking, and maybe I'll be able to do base functions without coming into IRC to torture the volunteers.
[01:37] <rikard> Last question for the time: The base video drivers that installed with kubuntu have my desktop at a very low resolution. Does anyone have ar ecommendation as to what Nvidia drivers to get? Are there some on apt, or should I get the proprietary from nvidia?
[01:38] <dthacker-work> no idea on that one.
[01:39] <rikard> Oh, wow! The aircrack suite works with the default driver in kubuntu too.
[01:39] <rikard> Fantastic!
[01:41] <yogi_> rikard...I had to revert to the old nvidia driver for my laptop...it might work for you
[01:43] <rikard> Whats a good program to burn an iso to dvd?
[01:44] <rikard> Does k3b support iso?
[01:44] <yogi_> k3b
[01:44] <rikard> Thanks.
[01:44] <yogi_> or mkisofs
[01:45] <yogi_> mkisofs is a command line tool...u comfortable with that?
[01:46] <genii> yogi_: mkisofs is to create an iso. To burn one you'd need instead cdrecord
[01:46] <Jucato> yogi_: doesn't mkisofs make iso's?
[01:47] <yogi_> cdrecord is included in the distro...mkisofs utilises that
[01:48] <rikard> Whats the proper init to run the nvidia proprietary driver installation at, so that X is not present?
[01:52] <rikard> whoa
[01:52] <yogi_> Genii && Jucato: see man mkisofs
[01:53] <yogi_> but Genii is right cdrtools are necessary to burn to dvd
[01:53] <rikard> i see
[01:53] <rikard> thank you
[01:53] <yogi_> mkisofs makes the file system
[01:54] <yogi_> but you pass arguments to send ISO to the burner from mkisofs
[01:57] <rikard> How do I change it so that I have to double click files to open them? This single click stuff gives me ptsd from windows ME.
[01:57] <yogi_> does anyone know what the deal is with KDE 4.x ---- any word on stability issues
[01:58] <nuxil> yogi_, its becoming more stable,, but the usability sucks
[01:58] <Dedi> yogi_: 4.0 for devs, 4.1 for users, 4.2 for stable users
[01:58] <yogi_> rikard: kcontrol > peripherals > mouse
[01:58] <yuji> I had trouble with 4.1
[01:58] <yogi_> same here...was using with hardy
[01:59] <nuxil> kde4 is basicly just eyecandy atm .. IMO
[01:59] <yogi_> i use fluxbox for my work sessions and KDE for school sessions
[01:59] <yogi_> LOL ... needs me some eye candy at times
[01:59] <rikard> Thanks, yogi
[01:59] <yogi_> np
[02:00] <rikard> Wheres kcontrol? Hahaha.
[02:00] <yogi_> u can envoke from xterm : kcontrol
[02:00] <yogi_> LOL
[02:00] <nuxil> so.. anyone know of a good pyqt4 tutorial?
[02:01] <yogi_> try google
[02:01] <rikard> Wow, kubuntu is great.
[02:01] <rikard> It feels like home.
[02:01] <yogi_> i prefer it over gnome
[02:01] <Dedi> yuji: yogi_: 4.1 is not released yet, its just a RC
[02:01] <yogi_> i know but i had to try it
[02:01] <yogi_> :-D
[02:02] <yogi_> i have reverted to old release
[02:02] <yogi_> nuxil: do a search in Stumbleupon
[02:03] <yogi_> say Dedi...ny advice on messing w/ candidates?
[02:04] <yogi_> I'm not a programmer by trade but I prefer to learn by breaking mys system
[02:04] <yogi_> so to speak
[02:06] <nuxil> you like to break your system? man what hoppy is that :p.
[02:06] <yogi_> dude I'm a banker...i need an exciting hobby
[02:06] <nuxil> *hobby
[02:06] <yogi_> LOL
[02:06] <yogi_> I should've studied CS in college
[02:09] <nuxil> it sounds boring to me..  screw up the  system.. reinstall.. break the system,, reinstall :p
[02:09] <yogi_> man that's the way i learn...and i don't 4get it that way
[02:09] <paolo_> Hi *. I cannot send mail using kmail unless I use "send via...". I didn't have this problem with gentoo (Same version of kmail). Does anyone know if there is a way to solve this one?
[02:09] <yogi_> plus it can be fun
[02:09] <nuxil> anyway. i need to grab some howtos.. whats the best way to grab a site ?? wget -k -r -l 2 ADDRESS
[02:11] <yogi_> u prob need the wget manual first: http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/
[02:12] <dthacker-work> paolo_: help me understand.  Does kmail put up a dialog box with an error?
[02:13] <dthacker-work> yogi_, nuxil: the discussion is offtopic and verrrrry close to violating CoC.  Please move it to #kubuntu-offtopic or another location
[02:14] <yogi_> dt: will do brother
[02:15] <hellhound_> i am getting the following error in amarok "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers" does anyone know what is causing this?
[02:15] <paolo_> dthacker-work: no... it just doesn't send it. I am not the only person having this problem:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=398036 . I am just very surprised that it hasn't been solved yet
[02:17] <dthacker-work> paolo: have you checked launchpad for a bug?  Maybe it hasn't been reported properly.  You can sometimes find workarounds there.
[02:19] <paolo_> dthacker-work: no... I just switched to (k)ubuntu. Where exactly do I need to go?
[02:19] <dthacker-work> hellhound_: there are several different fixes here.  YMMV. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-102064.html
[02:19] <yogi_> um, i have a session lock up issue when starting wine....ctrl+alt+backspace not working? wtf... solution anyone?
[02:20] <dthacker-work> paolo_: https://launchpad.net/
[02:20] <dthacker-work> Click on the big bug......
[02:21] <dthacker-work> yogi_: get to a terminal and kill -9?
[02:21] <yogi_> can't ... i can't get anything
[02:22] <yogi_> what's the equivalent of ctrl+alt+del in kubuntu?
[02:22] <yogi_> nonresponsive system....
[02:22] <yogi_> man, first time this has happened?
[02:22] <paolo_> dthacker-work: I think I found it... but it doesn't seem that people care too much about it. -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/243825
[02:22] <dthacker-work> ctl+alt+del works in kubuntu too.
[02:23] <yogi_> dt: not working...will be doing a hard boot...
[02:23] <paolo_> it seems that noone uses kmai lhere
[02:24] <yogi_> that's weird....for a sec was expecting a BSOD? freaking flashbacks
[02:24] <yogi_> LOL
[02:24] <yogi_> wow .... kernel panic.... dammit
[02:24] <dthacker-work> paolo_: what does your outgoing mail log say?
[02:25] <yogi_> dt: could this be a power supply issue?
[02:26]  * dthacker-work is unable to diagnose power supplies from here.......
[02:27] <yogi_> dt: I deserved that...
[02:31] <yogi_> wine is locking up my screen again...any thoughts?
[02:32] <nuxil> what you need wine for?.. check the logs
[02:33] <yogi_> trying to install Office XP...just "for fun"...but it's messing with my X...i don't get it!
[02:37] <nuxil> just for fun? whats wrong with open office ?
[02:38] <dthacker-work> yogi_ is a mad scientist.  :)
[02:38] <yogi_> dude nothing is wrong with it...but i was trying out wine...i'll switch to flux see if KDE is to blame (prob not - might be my hardware)
[02:38] <yogi_> yogi got the Linux fever man
[02:39] <dynoll3> hi!
[02:39] <dynoll3> i have a problem installing looking glass :S someone can help me?
[02:39] <dthacker-work> !lookingglass
[02:39] <dthacker-work> !looking glass
[02:40] <dynoll3> i have a .bin file
[02:40] <dynoll3> how i install it
[02:40] <Walzmyn> What's a quick easy way to compare the difference between two text files?
[02:40] <Walzmyn> dynoll3, where'd you get it? they probably have destructions
[02:40] <nuxil> yogi_, it sounds like you got M$ fever to be :P messing with wine and office :p
[02:41] <dynoll3> no they dont have any instruction :( i can get u the web site
[02:41] <nuxil> dynoll3, usaly.. chmod 755 *.bin,, then ./bin
[02:41] <Walzmyn> try sh run file.bin
[02:41] <Walzmyn> ah, that looks much better than mine
[02:42] <dthacker-work> dynoll3: what Walzmyn said, but have you looked for a package?
[02:42] <dynoll3> https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/binary-builds.html is the site where i got the .bin
[02:42] <dynoll3> ok ill try sh run file.bin
[02:42] <Walzmyn> dynoll3, what is this a bin for?
[02:42] <nuxil> no.. do it my way,., you prob need to set +x on the bin file
[02:42] <yogi_> Walzmyn: see if diff might work
[02:43] <Walzmyn> em, ok. I was hoping kate or kwrite might have something built in
[02:43] <dynoll3> the bin is to install looking glass
[02:43] <yogi_> as in diff file1 file2
[02:43] <Devourer> I uninstalled kubuntu-desktop, but I still have the kubuntu login and everything. How do I get rid of that?
[02:43] <dynoll3> brb
[02:44] <nuxil> dynoll3, looking glass? get xmag or xzoom
[02:44] <yogi_> how else r u gonna login
[02:45] <nuxil> in cli. Devourer remove kdm.
[02:45] <Devourer> nuxil, what's cli?
[02:46] <Walzmyn> comand line interface
[02:46] <nuxil> comand line interface
[02:46]  * Walzmyn knows that because he had to ask it last week
[02:47] <Devourer> Oh.
[02:47] <Devourer> nuxil, thanks.
[02:47] <nuxil> :)
[02:47] <nuxil> np
[02:47] <nuxil> are you installing gnome ?
[02:51] <yogi_> Devourer: From cli do:  sudo nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager and comment out the [/usr/bin/kdm] line by placing # in front of it
[02:51] <yogi_> note that this will remove the default Kubuntu login manager and default to just a text login
[02:52] <nuxil> or just do : sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/kdm
[02:52] <yogi_> or that
[02:52] <yogi_> LOL
[02:52] <nuxil> ;)
[02:53] <yogi_> nuxil's way is easier and faster...but not for noobs (like myself!)
[02:54] <nuxil> yogi_, its easy fast.. + your wrong.. its the noob way aswell ;)
[02:54] <Devourer> nuxil, will that give me the regular GNOME login?
[02:54] <yogi_> change kdm to gdm
[02:55] <nuxil> no it will only disable kdm
[02:55] <yogi_> but you'll need to default .xession to gnome also
[02:55] <Devourer> nuxil, should I just change kdm to gdm?
[02:56] <yogi_> Devourer: as long as you have installed gnome-desktop
[02:56] <Devourer> yogi_, ok.
[02:57] <nuxil> Devourer, kdm can load gome sessions.. you dont need to change. if your lazy like me
[02:57] <nuxil> *gome -> gnome
[02:57] <yogi_> nuxil...show hime the way man, so he can learn.
[02:57] <Devourer> How do I save in nano?
[02:57] <yogi_> ctrl+x
[02:58]  * nuxil got shaky hands from drinking way to much coffee
[02:58] <yogi_> LOL
[02:59] <nuxil> Devourer, i think all this is covered in the wiki and forums.
[03:01] <Devourer> nuxil, what wiki?
[03:01] <yogi_> :-D
[03:01] <nuxil> look at the topic
[03:04] <yogi_> so nuxil have any ideas on my screen lock issues I am having with wine
[03:04] <Walzmyn> anybody know how to use kompare?
[03:05] <nuxil> yogi_, does the logs tell you anything ?
[03:06] <yogi_> which log 2 look @?
[03:06] <yogi_> dmesg?
[03:06] <nuxil> see if there is some winelog.. or look in X log
[03:08] <dynoll3> hi
[03:08] <nuxil> mayne wine is trying to load some extensions which your graphing driver dosent support..
[03:08] <nuxil> but i have no clue,, i dont mess around with wine
[03:08] <nuxil> hi
[03:08] <dynoll3> so someone there know how to install a .bin file?
[03:09] <nuxil> dynoll3, i tould you
[03:09] <yogi_> nuxil: in Xorg.0.log have a no such device or address
[03:10] <nuxil> dynoll3, host@you:) sudo chmod 755 file.bin ; host@you:) ./file.bin
[03:10] <yogi_> Walzmyn: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdesdk/kompare/kompare.pdf
[03:10] <dynoll3> ok ill try
[03:11] <nuxil> yogi_, grep EE /var/log/X.0.log and paste on pastebin.com
[03:11] <yogi_> thanks man ... will do
[03:12] <yogi_> I think my issues started when I updated to kernel 2.6.22-15
[03:12] <dynoll3> nuxil: they say that there are no file of that type
[03:13] <nuxil> dynoll3, what is the name of the file? dont use file.bin but the name of the file
[03:13] <yogi_> dynol: take a look at http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/installation/46122-how-install-bin-file.html
[03:13] <nuxil> dynoll3, also cd to the correct dir
[03:13] <dynoll3> but look and try to understand plz okay? on that site: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-sun-looking-glass-desktop-environment-in-ubuntu.html
[03:13] <sysadmin> can i get some advice on remotely connecting to a windowns pc from a ubuntu/xubuntu machine ....which software should i use ...tutorials on how to use it would be appreciated  :)
[03:13] <dynoll3> its another way (without a bin file)
[03:14] <yogi_> try samba
[03:14] <yogi_> sysadmin: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=samba
[03:15] <sysadmin> can i remotely control that pc with samba ?:S
[03:15] <yogi_> um, remotedesktop or a free vnc
[03:16] <nuxil> dynoll3, its explaind on that site you just pasted.. if you follow it step by step you should be fine..
[03:16] <sysadmin> well the thing is i prefer the remote desktop but i havent been able to connect from the linux box to the windows pc ...but it works the other way around. :(
[03:17] <yogi_> search for rdesktop, or utilise the kubuntu utility
[03:17] <dynoll3> ya i tries but i didnt get the part when they say to add a line in the depot... how we do that (ok im a bit newb)
[03:17] <dynoll3> how we add a line in a depot**
[03:18] <nuxil> sudo echo "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib" >> /etc/apt/sours.list
[03:18] <nuxil> err.. then apt-get update
[03:18] <yogi_> sysadmin: http://blog.lxpages.com/2007/03/13/remote-desktop-for-linux/
[03:18] <dynoll3> ok
[03:18] <nuxil> wait...
[03:18] <dynoll3> ill try that
[03:18] <dynoll3> ok
[03:19] <nuxil> -> sudo echo "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:19] <dynoll3> i write that exactly?
[03:19] <yogi_> nuxil what is he trying to do?
[03:19] <nuxil> yes on the cli
[03:19] <nuxil> install glasses
[03:19] <dynoll3> from sudo to .list?
[03:19] <guido_> hello
[03:20] <nuxil> trype > sudo echo "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:20] <nuxil> then apt-get update
[03:20] <nuxil> +sudo
[03:20] <guido_> I have a divx movie with its subtitles in .idx and .rar, how can I play the movie with the subtitles on?
[03:20] <genii> sudo echo anything >> /not/in/home/dir       won't work
[03:20] <dynoll3> they say that the permission is not accorded
[03:21] <nuxil> sudo
[03:21] <nuxil> genii, sure it will
[03:21] <dynoll3> i write it before
[03:21] <genii> echo whatever | sudo tee -a /the/place
[03:21] <sysadmin> im not a big fan of vnc .....i think i will rather get the rdesktop to work .......but like i said it doesnt seem to work from the windows pc to the linux box....any ideas ?
[03:22] <yogi_> supposedly remote desktop should work for windows to linux
[03:22] <dynoll3> im writing that exactly : sudo echo "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:22] <dynoll3> and permission isnt accorded
[03:22] <sysadmin> yea that makes sense to me ...but ...i cant get it to work :(\
[03:22] <nuxil> dynoll3, err.. kdesu kate /etc/apt/soures.list
[03:22] <yogi_> vnc is a little easier
[03:23] <dynoll3> im on ubuntu not kde
[03:23] <nuxil> add "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib "to the bottom
[03:23] <sysadmin> yea it is i guess....but u have to install it on each machine
[03:23] <yogi_> sorry man you'll have to read the man pages...can't help u w/ win app
[03:23] <genii> Or  echo "deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian stable contrib" |sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:23] <yogi_> check the wikis and google search
[03:23]  * genii sips
[03:23] <sysadmin> i hear ya ...thanks anyway
[03:23] <yogi_> np
[03:24] <dynoll3> i think it worked genii
[03:24] <nuxil> offcource it works..
[03:24] <nuxil> dynoll3, next.. sudo apt-get update
[03:25] <nuxil> then finaly -> sudo apt-get install lg3d-core
[03:25] <dynoll3> ya
[03:25] <dynoll3> it work :D
[03:25] <yogi_> LOL...good job
[03:25] <dynoll3> ty nuxil and genii
[03:25] <yogi_> i think nuxil needs some coffee
[03:25] <nuxil> it should be listed in synaptic now.
[03:25]  * genii slides nuxil a large coffee in an Kubuntu mug
[03:26] <nuxil> i need some anti coffee now.. been drinking 10 cups the last 2 houers.
[03:27] <dynoll3> loll
[03:27] <genii> Pepto Bismol it is then....
[03:28] <yogi_> LOL....actually drink water, your cells are probably 1/2 the size they need to be...LOL
[03:28] <genii> Yes thats true, coffee dehydrates
[03:29] <nuxil> it makes me piss alot
[03:29] <yogi_> yup
[03:29] <genii> Thats part of it, yeah
[03:29] <genii> diuretic
[03:31] <Ren__> How can I get live media to work on kubuntu? like a .mov stream
[03:31] <yogi_> any ideas when openoffice 3.x will be included in kubuntu?
[03:31] <nuxil> Ren__, mplayer plugin ?
[03:32] <nuxil> Ren__, you prob need some extra codecs aswell..
[03:32] <abaffa> netsplit?!
[03:33] <yogi_> xine
[03:33] <dynoll3> hi again! there is an error :S
[03:33] <dynoll3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:33] <dynoll3> what it mean
[03:33] <nuxil> try to run .. sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:34] <nuxil> dynoll3, are you trying to use synaptic whil apt is downloading ?
[03:35] <dynoll3> no
[03:35] <nuxil> maybe your connection got lost
[03:35] <dynoll3> iltry something synaptic want to do some update
[03:35] <dynoll3> ill do then and try again
[03:36] <genii> dynoll3: Did it say anything else directly above the "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"   part?
[03:36] <dynoll3> Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
[03:36] <dynoll3>  lg3d-core
[03:36] <dynoll3> need a translations?
[03:36] <genii> No\
[03:36] <nuxil> translate
[03:37] <dynoll3> some errors as been found while execution:
[03:37] <dynoll3> lg3d-core
[03:37] <nuxil> corrupt download pherhaps
[03:38] <dynoll3> what i do then?
[03:39] <genii> lg3d-core is not any package in standard repositories. Is this what you are trying to install by adding the other repository line of deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian   ?
[03:39] <dynoll3> ya
[03:39] <dynoll3> lg3d is Looking Grass
[03:40] <genii> Ah
[03:40] <genii> You mean Sun's Project Looking Glass?
[03:40] <nuxil> its a debian pack. maybe its not working..  but usaly debian packs works on ubuntu.
[03:41] <nuxil> genii, thats the one hes trying to install
[03:42] <dynoll3> ok ill show u all the thing they say? after i write sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:42] <genii> No
[03:42] <dynoll3> ok
[03:44] <nuxil> dynoll3, do you still got the bin file ?
[03:44] <dynoll3> yes
[03:44] <genii> All you need is https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/files/documents/1834/84267/lg3d-core_1.0.1_dev_i686.deb
[03:44] <genii> And install it with dpkg
[03:44] <genii> Don't mess around with bin files, etc etc
[03:45] <nuxil> is that the stable version?
[03:45] <dynoll3> (i want the stable version)
[03:45] <genii> Thats the stable version
[03:45] <dynoll3> genii, its normal that it open openoffice?
[03:45] <nuxil> lol.. no
[03:45] <genii> Requires package sun-java6-jdk installed first
[03:46] <yogi_> um, based upon the comments on ubuntugeek this install seems to be hit and miss. others are having the same issue
[03:47] <nuxil> try bin file as last result.. you can always uninstall the binfile with ./thefile --uninstall
[03:47] <dynoll3> ok
[03:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm That Lookinimeg glasis stuff has always been a little flakey every time ive dared to try  it
[03:48] <genii> Dr_willis: I've managed it a few times now, but it's a resource hog
[03:48] <yogi_> hungry hippo...needs lots of mem
[03:48] <Dr_willis> genii,  yea. every so often its name pops up again.. and people try it.. and sem to quickly get sick of it. :)
[03:48] <yogi_> it's a great concept though
[03:49] <nuxil> whats so spesial about it?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> I find a lot of the features just get in the way of doing real work. :)
[03:49] <Dr_willis> have they actually done anything new to it? or did someone just find it.. and now we are talking about it again?
[03:49] <dynoll3> when i write sudo chmod 755 lookingglass.bin (its the name of my file), they say that they cant find the file
[03:49] <yogi_> i think dynol thought it looked cool
[03:50] <dynoll3> ya it looked cool
[03:50] <nuxil> dynoll3, you need to cd to the dir you downloaded it too
[03:50] <yogi_> remember KISS
[03:50] <dynoll3> on desk
[03:50] <dynoll3> cd /?
[03:50] <genii> cd ~/Desktop
[03:50] <nuxil> then cd /home/you/Desktop
[03:50] <dynoll3> ok sorry
[03:50] <yogi_> this install is already a pain. I had the same issue as you
[03:51] <yogi_> but I got it working, slowly as getall
[03:51] <nuxil> so whats so spesial about this glasses anyway ?
[03:51] <Dr_willis> dynoll3,  i think yOu may want to be learning You 'might' goof up the system
[03:51] <Dr_willis> nuxil,  lots of silly eyecandy/effects last i looked.
[03:51] <yogi_> nothing, just a nice idea
[03:51] <yogi_> compiz is better
[03:51] <genii> nuxil: It's basically eyecandy which runs in a java environment
[03:51] <Dr_willis> If you really wan tto test it out.. there is a live cd./
[03:51] <nuxil> Dr_willis, for that we got compiz
[03:51] <dynoll3> ok
[03:51] <Dr_willis> nuxil,  this was around about 4+ years befor there was a compiz
[03:52] <nuxil> ahh. so compiz > the glasses
[03:52] <nuxil> :9
[03:52] <Dr_willis> it can also do some things i recall that ive not seen done with compiz.
[03:53] <genii> You can for instance spin an app around on the screen and write memo on the reverse, etc
[03:53] <Dr_willis> the latest release date i see for the looking glass stuff is 2006...
[03:53] <nuxil> that just sounds anying
[03:53] <genii> nuxil: It's not worth the overhead, anyhow
[03:54] <yogi_> I think it would be great if it utilized multi-touch
[03:54] <nuxil> genii, hehe. i belive you..
[03:54] <Dr_willis> I feel the same way about most eye  candy.
[03:54] <aurora> joj
[03:55] <yogi_> it would be a mistake for linux users and developers to discount eye candy
[03:55] <aurora> hi!
[03:55] <Dr_willis> I feel its a mistake for Developers to 'force' eyecandy into being a 'big selling point'
[03:56] <Dr_willis> or companies.. or whoever.. :)
[03:56] <yogi_> good point
[03:56] <Dr_willis> Hardware Makers LOVE it :)
[03:56] <Dr_willis> Used to be the big 'gotta update the pc' thing was new games.. now its just so you can do the same job.. on the new eyecandy desktop...
[03:56] <nuxil> Dr_willis, yeah,, there is little point in just sitting and looking at a fine desktop.. little work gets doen..
[03:56]  * genii pets his 8800GTS
[03:56] <yogi_> unless u use multi touch tech
[03:57] <yogi_> :-D
[03:57] <Dr_willis> genii,  gotta love its dual feature as a space heater!
[03:57] <nuxil> genii, i got the same card :)
[03:57] <genii> It *does* heat up a lot. It also covers 2 other slots since it's massive
[03:57] <nuxil> genii, have you ever gotten the tvout (svid) to work ?
[03:57] <Dr_willis> I got a 8800gtsXXX :)
[03:58] <Dr_willis> tv out works on mine. I do recall..
[03:58] <nuxil> i dont get mine to work.
[03:58] <SebNaitsabes> !flash
[03:58] <genii> It works here too, though right now I have the dvi outs hhoked by hdmi adapters to 2 plugs on my tv anyhow
[03:58] <SebNaitsabes> !konqueror
[03:58] <SebNaitsabes> what's the package
[03:58] <SebNaitsabes> I need to install flash into konqueror?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> nuxil,  i do recall that on some nvidia cards i have to have to have the tv pluged in when i boot up.
[03:59] <SebNaitsabes> probably can just find from the package manager
[03:59] <nuxil> Dr_willis, yeah i have tryed that,. without luck.
[04:00] <nuxil> my old gt 6600 i could just plug in and it was on,,
[04:00] <Dr_willis> nuxil,  heck on some of my nvidia cards. if i just hooked up the tv.. when installing the os.. and unplugged the monitor. It would default to the tv :)
[04:00] <Dr_willis> It does seem to depend on th eexact video card.
[04:01] <Dr_willis> or else i enable twinview and clone the display to the tv.
[04:01] <nuxil> you lucky bastard :p i tryed all thouse ways.
[04:02] <Dr_willis> I have like 4 different nvidia cards. :)   I took out a 'bigger/faster' card from one machine and replaced it with a slower QUIETER 5500 I think. :)
[04:02] <Dr_willis> for my movie player box.
[04:02] <dynoll3> why :  cd ~/desktop dont work?
[04:02] <genii> Use a D and not a d
[04:02] <Dr_willis> Because Linix is CASE SenesEtiVe!
[04:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:03] <nuxil> i would like to put mythtv on my tv. since i got a tvcard with 2 tuners. hw mpeg encoder
[04:03] <dynoll3> ohhh
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Linux FUNdaMENTALS :)
[04:03] <dynoll3> cant find command
[04:03] <dynoll3> oh ok
[04:03] <dynoll3> i got it
[04:04] <yogi_> yo nuxil, thanks for the help earlier
[04:04] <nuxil> np.
[04:04] <yogi_> have fun yall ... i'm gonna go eat me a magick brownie
[04:05] <yogi_> and no jokes about that
[04:05] <yogi_> LOL
[04:05] <genii> Peace out dude!
[04:05] <yogi_> l8r
[04:05] <genii> ;)
[04:05] <bastid_raZor> i'm running ubuntu 8.04 and was wanting to install kde4 applications on it, what repo, if any, do i need to add? currently apt-get gives kde3.5 apps
[04:05] <nuxil> gimme
[04:05] <rikard> I'm trying to use kismet/aircrack-ng/airodump-ng on Kubuntu with an Atheros wireless chipset (Supposedly the best chipset to do it with), and for some reason I get an error message that it couldn't set monitor mode on ath0. Is it possible the base kubuntu driverdoesn't support monitor?
[04:07] <nuxil> rikard, ath0? usaly you do airmon ethX start
[04:07] <rikard> eth? eth are ethernet interfaces, aren't they?
[04:07] <nuxil> rikard, you can try iwconfig ethX mode Monitor
[04:08] <genii> bastid_raZor: I'm sure they'll know something about it in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:08] <bastid_raZor> genii; ahh, i thought this was the kde4 channel. thanks
[04:08] <genii> np
[04:08] <nuxil> rikard, hope your not dumping my packs :p
[04:09] <rikard> Nah. I'm practicing some stuff I'm learning in the SANS Security Essentials class.
[04:09] <rikard> Or, at least trying to. I don't want to take the easy route and use live cds.
[04:09] <rikard> So I'm trying to configure my lab.
[04:09] <rikard> But I seem to be having issues getting my wireless card to cooperate, even though its supposed to be one of the best ones to use.
[04:11] <nuxil> rikard, ifconfig -a to see all devices
[04:11] <nuxil> rikard, also iwconfig should show you which card that the IEEE 802.11 extensiom
[04:11] <nuxil> *that got the
[04:11] <nuxil> rikard, there should also be a patch included in the aircrack-ng tools "sources", dont know if you need to patch
[04:12] <rikard> Sources? I just used a packmanager.
[04:12] <nuxil> to patch the drivr
[04:12] <rikard> i know, but where would i find the patch if i used packmanagers?
[04:12] <nuxil> normaly you only need to patch if you want to do arp injection while in monitore mode
[04:13] <rikard> Yeah. That's what I'm looking to do.
[04:13] <rikard> WHere can I find this patch?
[04:13] <nuxil> they are in the source.. google for the source
[04:13] <rikard> Ah, I've found the driver patch section on the aircrack ng site.
[04:14] <rikard> Let's see!
[04:14] <nuxil> rikard, keep in mind. you might need to recompile the kernel with the new patched driver
[04:14] <rikard> eh?
[04:14] <rikard> i have to do whta now? :o
[04:15] <nuxil> get the header files for your current linux
[04:15] <rikard> this sounds like a big deal
[04:15] <nuxil> then patch the driver.. if you are lucky,, you only need to make the module.
[04:15] <nuxil> rikard, its a big deal to be a black hat :p
[04:16] <rikard> what are these .patch files?
[04:16] <nuxil> codes which must be added to your driver
[04:16] <rikard> how do I apply them? :(
[04:16] <dr_Willis> I think some More learning is going to be going on tonight for rikard  :)
[04:16] <nuxil> lshw -C network to see what module your card uses
[04:17]  * nuxil agrees
[04:17] <rikard> PCI (sysfs)
[04:17] <nuxil> dont spam
[04:17] <rikard> Wait... Theres a lot more ;D haha
[04:17] <rikard> I won't.
[04:18] <SebNaitsabes>
[04:18] <SebNaitsabes>
[04:18] <keri> i just installed konqueror and into  ubuntu/gnome i am trying to get flash and nsplugins  and  flashplugin-nonfree are already installed.  ,but  flash does not load. and  i   checked the  config and  the plugin is there
[04:18] <rikard> Ok. What info do I need from these, nuxil?
[04:19] <rikard> What confuses me a bit, is I have a wifi0 device, and an ath0 device.
[04:19] <rikard> but when I just did what you told me, the ath0 device is not there.
[04:19] <rikard> Only wifi0.
[04:22] <nuxil_> damit.. was going to cat /dev/ppp but did a cat /dev/port by mistake.. hehe forze my system :p
[04:22] <rikard> Bah. I'm lost. I have an ath0 device, and a wifi0 device, and I'm not sure which is what.
[04:23] <rikard> but sudo lshw -C network doesn't show the ath0 device, and yet iwconfig/ifconfig do
[04:23] <nuxil_> rikard, you must first get a understanding of what card is what before you even can go on a cracking your new. i suggest you go read up a bit on linux networking
[04:24] <nuxil_> *new - net
[04:24] <genii> rikard: Thats because the aircrack tools were originally written for the prism2 /Atheros cards.If you don't have one of those it makes a virtual one
[04:24] <murdoc_> does any one know about walkmans/portable audio players in xubuntu?
[04:25] <rikard> Ah!
[04:25] <rikard> I see.
[04:25] <rikard> I didn't know that :)
[04:26] <murdoc_> Having trouble mounting it- can't even see it-
[04:28] <murdoc_> or does any one know where I can get some documentation to figure it out?
[04:29] <genii> murdoc_: The manual for your walkman might say something about what modes it can be set to when connecting to computer
[04:31] <rikard> 1what does kubuntu have that will compile c? make is giving me c related error messages
[04:31] <genii> rikard: build-essential
[04:32] <rikard> thank you genii
[04:32] <genii> np
[04:32] <rikard> yeah nuxil
[04:32] <rikard> i've seen it done before.
[04:32] <rikard> i'm just trying to figure out why my ath devices is giving me troubles
[04:32] <murdoc_> genii-just one mode-it's not even supposed to work for anything other than windows-however I've been running it in fedora8 for some time, just switched to kubuntu
[04:33] <rikard> and telling me it doesn't support monitor mode.
[04:34] <genii> murdoc_: No other idea offhand then. Likely it needs some udev rule
[04:34] <rikard> getting openssl errors now genii.
[04:35] <rikard> would it be.. openssl-devel?
[04:35] <powertool08> Could somebody please help me set up restricted drivers? I enabled the check box and restarted to a very low resolution login screen, after login everything is messed up, background doesn't draw properly, menu background's won't draw, etc
[04:35] <murdoc_> is there a "connected hardware" apt, or something like that I should look at- as in a "my computer" type prog
[04:35] <rikard> no, its not openssl-devel
[04:36] <genii> rikard: When it complains about some lib not found or so usually then install the -dev version
[04:36] <genii> just -dev not -devel
[04:36] <rikard> openssl-dev didn't give me anything :(
[04:37] <paolo_> Hi *. I cannot send mail using kmail unless I use "send via...". I didn't have this problem with gentoo (Same version of kmail). Does anyone know if there is a way to solve this one?
[04:37] <genii> rikard: Try  libssl-dev
[04:38] <rikard> Thanks so much for putting up with my mental retardation, genii.
[04:38] <genii> rikard: No worries
[04:38] <rikard> It's compiling now.
[04:39] <_2> genii will you put up with my "mental retardation" ?
[04:39] <genii> rikard: However I am extremely tired and departing soon so someone else will need to tackle whatever bugbears may come
[04:39]  * _2 buys genii a cup of java
[04:39] <rikard> I'll try again later.  I'd have the coffee but leaving soon actually. Unless it's some interesting emergency?
[04:41] <chackal_sjc> hey guys
[04:41] <chackal_sjc> im trying to make a ssh conection in other user here in my localhost
[04:41] <chackal_sjc> but is returning an error like thios
[04:41] <chackal_sjc> this
[04:41] <chackal_sjc> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[04:41] <chackal_sjc> anyone knows how to fix?
[04:42] <_2> genii no, just normal idiosencracy
[04:42] <powertool08> chackal_sjc: are you connecting to a computer behind a router? If so you need to port forward
[04:42] <chackal_sjc> powertool08: what you mean?
[04:42] <genii> chackal_sjc: You have openssh-server installed?
[04:42] <genii> powertool08: He said localhost. So I imagine it's not behind a router ;)
[04:43] <chackal_sjc> powertool08: its a localhost user.. in my machine
[04:43] <_2> chackal_sjc is sshd running ?    pidof sshd
[04:43] <chackal_sjc> no
[04:43] <_2> can't ssh to (sshd is not running here) period
[04:43] <chackal_sjc> i dont have the openssh-server installed
[04:44] <genii> chackal_sjc: That explains it then
[04:44] <chackal_sjc> yeah, im installing
[04:44] <chackal_sjc> yeah, now it works good..
[04:44] <chackal_sjc> thanks
[04:45] <_2> chackal_sjc and configure /etc/ssh/sshd_config  before you let some black pro ssh in as root
[04:45] <genii> root login is disabled by default
[04:45] <_2> genii not in sshd it's not.   so if you set a root password you also have enabled remote root
[04:46] <chackal_sjc> _2: what you mean??
[04:46] <_2>      ^
[04:47] <_2> chackal_sjc that's what i mean.     if you even enable the root login  "which you probably shouldn't anyway"  and also run the default sshd_conf....     the defaults are to allow root and listen on all networks.
[04:47] <chackal_sjc> _2: how do i configure that?
[04:47] <chackal_sjc> im a ssh newbie
[04:48] <_2> you edit the file     probably best to read up on it a little first but it has some instructions in it.
[04:48] <_2> one should never "ignorantly" run any service.   always learn a little about what you are opening up first.
[04:49] <chackal_sjc> _2: ok, Im gonna take a look in few minuts..
[04:49] <genii> Interesting. This enable root is new since 6.06 at least
[04:49] <genii> Or mybe since I have often server version
[04:50] <_2> grep root /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:51] <_2> err  -i that
[04:51] <genii> chackal_sjc: Change line: PermitRootLogin yes                to: PermitRootLogin no              in that file
[04:52] <chackal_sjc> genii: thats it?
[04:52] <_2> exactly   and/or   set the listen line to <IP_ADDRESS>/16   or something local only
[04:52] <genii> chackal_sjc: Yes.   alt-f2 then: kdesu kate /etc/ssh/sshd_config              to open it with proper rights for editing
[04:52] <powertool08> chackal_sjc: I'd change Protocol to only "2" not "1,2" maybe change port number
[04:52] <chackal_sjc> powertool08: why that?
[04:52] <_2> powertool08 that's default now.
[04:53] <genii> chackal_sjc: Also restart the server after by:     sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[04:53] <_2> chackal_sjc for stronger security   obviously
[04:53] <chackal_sjc> PermitRootLogin yes, keep that right?
[04:53] <genii> chackal_sjc: Because port 22 is well know for ssh login, many bots try to use brute-force login attempts for root there. So putting it on some oddball port helps security a lot
[04:54] <powertool08> chackal_sjc: protocol 1 is weak, also if you change default port less people find it with scanners
[04:54] <genii> chackal_sjc: No change the "yes" to a "no"
[04:54] <_2> powertool08 changing the port hardly hides the service from nmap
[04:55] <powertool08> _2: thats why I said less people
[04:55] <chackal_sjc> Protocol 2, is deafault
[04:55] <_2> lol   ok.
[04:55] <_2> chackal_sjc yes i said that already
[04:55] <powertool08> _2: it hides it from programs who only scan defaults
[04:55] <chackal_sjc> genii: so, change port 22 to what?
[04:55] <genii> _2: Port changing at least prevents attempts from these automated attacks
[04:55] <powertool08> chackal_sjc: anything you want that isn't already used, something over 1000 is good
[04:56] <genii> chackal_sjc: Some number above 1024 and below 65535 that you can remember easily
[04:56] <_2> powertool08 yeah it might duck one leftover ms-dos script from 1984    i guess that's right.
[04:56] <genii> powertool08: Over 1024, others are priveleged ports
[04:56] <_2> genii       ^
[04:57] <_2> :)
[04:58] <genii> chackal_sjc: When the port is changed you need attempt login by:    ssh -p 12345 servername
[04:59]  * _2 wonders if port: `dd if=/dev/urandom bs=2 count=1 2>/dev/null | od -l | cut -c18- | tr -d -- '\n'`    would work....
[04:59] <genii> where 12345 is that number you choose
[04:59] <_2> don't use  6667   it will look like an irc server
[04:59] <genii> chackal_sjc: And DON'T tell us here what the port number you choose is. This channel is public and also logged
[05:00] <_2> and a good source for black hat info
[05:00] <nuxil> indeed
[05:00] <genii> _2: Hehe 6667 would be confusing
[05:00] <chackal_sjc> yeah,, its good now
[05:00] <nuxil> it would be conflicking if he uses irc alot
[05:01] <chackal_sjc> indeed²
[05:01] <genii> nuxil: The clients here should be using 8001 anyways and not 6667 to prevent DCC attacks
[05:01] <_2> chackal_sjc i haven't scanned your ip.  (unusual as that might sound)   but i hope you haven't blindly thrown up an ftp or even http server either....     "never run a service that you don't know anything about,  because you will be the only one that can't access it!"
[05:02] <genii> I'll drink to that
[05:02]  * genii sips
[05:03] <_2> genii but that's been posted so much, that 8001 is just as big a target now anyway...
[05:03] <chackal_sjc> yeah,.. good advice
[05:04] <chackal_sjc> scan my ip
[05:04] <chackal_sjc> to see whats service im running =)
[05:04] <chackal_sjc> and tell me
[05:04] <chackal_sjc> to let me know
[05:04] <_2> !enter | chackal_sjc and don't use enter for punctuation; and don't use enter for punctuation;
[05:05] <nuxil> lets spam chackal_sjc with FIN RST FIN RST :p JK
[05:05] <_2> nuxil he didn't say reset his services for him  lol
[05:05] <nuxil> :p
[05:06] <genii> I have SARA running here. 1 minute
[05:06] <chackal_sjc> =]
[05:07] <genii> You have Samba running which allows me to dump your list of usernames. Also you may be a mail relay
[05:08] <_2> i keep canablising my server   soon it will be down to a nic and a cpu      unless i can figure out how to make it work without the cpu :)))
[05:08] <_2> genii pm him his user names
[05:08] <genii> hehe
[05:08]  * _2 waits to intercept....
[05:08] <genii> I'm not sure i can do it from inside the web interface of SARA
[05:09] <genii> (it just probes for vulnerabilities)
[05:09] <_2> well it can be done though and that's the point.
[05:10]  * _2 hat is way to white to do that anyway
[05:10] <genii> chackal_sjc: Also you have public shares on your box which are listable, and a user with a null passowrd can login and see them
[05:10] <chackal_sjc> genii: i dont have a samba running
[05:10] <chackal_sjc> I don't even have samba
[05:11] <genii> hangon checking settings
[05:11] <genii> Hah! I just scanned my NAS
[05:11] <genii> 1 minute :)
[05:14] <chackal_sjc> genii: hahahahha
[05:14] <chackal_sjc> =]
[05:14] <genii> chackal_sjc: Your box looks good. 1 sec I'll PM the results
[05:14] <chackal_sjc> ok
[05:15] <nuxil> hey scan me aswell.. if you have nothing else to do..
[05:15] <genii> /msg chackal_sjc
[05:15] <genii> dding a primary target
[05:15] <genii> Add-primary: bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca
[05:15] <genii> Add-target: bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca prox 0
[05:15] <_2> chackal_sjc also if you ever feel the need for tightening security, there are several packages to help with that.   check your package manager.
[05:15] <genii> Primaries being rescanned, rebuilding tables.
[05:15] <genii> Reading sara-data files...
[05:15] <genii> Reading all hosts info from results/sara-data/all-hosts...
[05:16] <genii> Reading facts from results/sara-data/facts...
[05:16] <_2> oops    !
[05:16] <genii> Add-fact: localhost|ypserv|a|g||||NIS server
[05:16] <genii> Add-todo: localhost|ypbind.sara|
[05:16] <genii> Reading old todo list from results/sara-data/todo...
[05:16] <genii> Done reading sara-data files
[05:16] <genii> policy: bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca prox 0 level 2
[05:16] <genii> Check-pulse: bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca
[05:16] <genii> ==> running bin/timeout 480 bin/fping bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca
[05:16] <genii> Failed ping - bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca
[05:16] <genii> ==> running bin/timeout 480 bin/fwping bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca
[05:16] <genii> Failed fwping - bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca
[05:16]  * _2 thinks about calling flood bot on genii  :)))
[05:16] <genii> process_targets: probe bas13-montreal02-1177925530.dsl.bell.ca...
[05:16] <genii> Waiting for all processes to complete
[05:17] <genii> Data collection completed
[05:17] <genii> ooops
[05:17]  * genii waits for the boot
[05:17] <chackal_sjc> thank you man ¬¬
[05:17] <_2> :)))
[05:17] <chackal_sjc> hahahahahaa
[05:17] <chackal_sjc> dont worry.. tomorrow im not going to use this provider anyway
[05:17] <chackal_sjc> Im going back to Brazil.. i'm here in Canada just to work
[05:18] <chackal_sjc> genii: whats arguments are you using with nmap?
[05:18] <genii> chackal_sjc: I'm not using nmap, I'm using a tool called SARA
[05:19] <_2> !info sara
[05:19] <_2> !find sara
[05:19] <chackal_sjc> genii: is it similar than nmap?
[05:20] <genii> chackal_sjc: I had to manually compile it here actually. It is not in standard repos
[05:20] <genii> chackal_sjc: It is based on an old tool called SATAN
[05:21] <genii> http://www-arc.com/sara/   for more info
[05:21] <chackal_sjc> http://www-arc.com/sara/ ?
[05:21] <chackal_sjc> ok
[05:24] <system366> i know this isnt really the right place for this but does any1 know how to get File Zilla FTP server working in Windows? i set all the ports and everything and seetup login names and directorys but when i put in my external ip the page cannot be found, any help would bemuch apreciated :)
[05:25] <_2> system366 have you asked in ##windows ?
[05:25] <_2> system366 short answer   !i
[05:25] <system366> i have no idea how to change rooms :
[05:25] <system366> :D*
[05:25] <_2> system366 /join ##windows
[05:25] <system366> ooo clicky XD
[05:25] <system366> lolz ty ^_^
[05:28] <joe_> how can i install a tar.bz2 file?
[05:28] <_2> joe_ install it ???    what is it ?
[05:28] <paolo_> joe_: tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[05:28] <nuxil> extract it.. then compile it
[05:29] <_2> it depends on what it is.
[05:29] <nuxil> yea true.. but i guess its a source
[05:29] <joe_> qt curve aka a dock program cuz i'm try'n to find a dock program like the one that mac has but have it for kubuntu
[05:29] <_2> that assumption can bite you here in *buntu land
[05:30] <nuxil> i think my assumption is right ;p
[05:30] <_2> joe_ extract the content and see if it has an installer script
[05:30] <joe_> i'm new to linux, i have only had kubuntu on my computer for about a week and i'm still try'n to get the hang of it cuz i'm try'n to use linux more than windows
[05:31] <genii_> Box locked
[05:31] <joe_> ok hold a sec will i extract it to my desktop
[05:31] <nuxil> joe_, ther is a docker called kooldock in the repos.
[05:31] <dsmith_> I find kubuntu has no really reat docks
[05:31] <_2> genii your box ?
[05:31] <dsmith_> *great
[05:32] <guaqua> any estimates on kubuntu's kde 4.1 packages? :>
[05:32] <joe_> i have tryied to use kooldock but it wouldn't run don't know why
[05:33] <dsmith_> joe_: the only dock I ever fou have to be running compizdn to my satisfaction is ubuntu - avant dock, but you
[05:34] <joe_> it doesn't have a script installer
[05:34] <dsmith_> joe_: the only dock I ever found to my satisfaction is ubuntu - avant dock, but you have to be running compiz
[05:34]  * genii sips and scans
[05:34] <_2> joe_ then prolly a streight forward      ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:34] <joe_> it has config.h.cmake makedist.sh and somemore with about 7 folders as well
[05:35] <_2> !b-e | joe_ seeing that you are asking i should prolly point out;
[05:35] <joe_> it's kool, thnx
[05:36] <joe_> i don't know how to do that of what ur as'n _2
[05:36] <nuxil> joe_, if no one said it to you.. when compiling,, be sure you got the requierments
[05:36] <nuxil> its should be listed in the install or readme file
[05:36] <_2> joe_ read the page.    and the command i posted is verbatum
[05:37] <joe_> oh ok, i'm srry
[05:37] <_2> joe_  reposting ;;;  then prolly a streight forward      ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:38] <joe_> oh ok but like i said befor i'm a noobie when it come's to linux
[05:40] <_2> genii well i what it did scan,  did it find any weakness ?
[05:41] <_2> :)
[05:41] <genii> Not done yet :)
[05:41] <_2> genii or does it only report at the end ?
[05:43] <_2> :)
[05:43] <nuxil> wb
[05:44] <_2> ok
[05:50] <nuxil> is it possible to make kdm execte a command on login ?
[05:50] <_2> nuxil i'm sure.
[05:50] <_2> nuxil in the config
[05:51] <nuxil> but it has to be spesific to the use.
[05:52] <Jucato> !autostart | nuxil
[05:52] <Jucato> two places you can put the command/script in: ~/.kde/env or ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:52] <nuxil> Jucato, no. i cant do that
[05:52] <Jucato> why?
[05:53] <nuxil> its for setting up cryped home disk. when users login.. i have several crypted disks for users
[05:53]  * Jucato is not sure he know what that means in this case
[05:55] <_2> nuxil you probably want pam to handle that then
[05:55] <nuxil> Jucato, lets say i have 2 users. and 2 cryped disk. i need to make a script or somthing that creates the mapper and mount the disk for each user.
[05:56] <nuxil> bc .. i have to press. CTRL ALT F1 and login. then run cryptsetup -c aes -d /usb/mykey create home /dev/hdX before i log in with kdm now
[05:57] <Jucato> ah.. hm... then I don't know... sorry
[05:57] <nuxil> kde dislike getting a ""new"" dir after login.. thats why i have to do it the hard way..
[05:58] <guaqua> sounds like you have an unusual use-case
[05:58] <_2> nuxil what about mounting on the same dir ?
[05:58] <_2> start mount over the top of...
[05:59] <_2> nuxil or have fstab mount them... ?
[05:59] <nuxil> remember i got 2 disk. i dont think mounting 2 disks on same dir is such a good ide
[05:59] <_2> nuxil same dir ?
[05:59] <_2> what ?
[05:59] <_2> one user has two disks ?   two different homes ?
[06:00] <nuxil> no.. once use for each disk
[06:00] <_2> that's not the same dir then
[06:00] <_2> and you could put the users home anywhere you want
[06:01]  * _2 sets _2 home to  /usr/local/share/apps/anon/something/
[06:01] <nuxil> yea i see. but the point was that. userA should not be able to go in userB's dir
[06:01] <_2> nuxil that's done with permissions settings
[06:02] <nuxil> both got sudo access.. but they got seperate keys.
[06:02] <guaqua> mount options, if it's a vfat volume, _2
[06:02] <_2> well you are spitting in the wind if you think you can keep root jr. out of anything.
[06:02] <nuxil> guaqua, no.. its ext3 with aes crypation
[06:03] <_2> if either has full "root jr."   you can not keep them out of anything period.
[06:03] <nuxil> _2, as long as userA or B dosent got the key for the other user,, he can not mount the disk,, well he can,, but ut would be invalid data for him
[06:03] <_2> if either has full "root jr."   you can not keep them out of anything period.
[06:04] <_2> anything root can setup root can access
[06:05] <_2> my advice would be to limit their power in /etc/sudoers and use permissions to restrict what they see/where they go/what they do.
[06:06] <nuxil> _2 ther are 2 seperate keys . once for each disk.. the keys are on 2 usb disk. which each user got.. so userA can never access userB unlsess he got the key
[06:06] <nuxil> and both need sudo access
[06:07] <nuxil> i probealy need to make som silly bash script for this.
[06:07] <_2> do what you want.  <shrugs>    making me root jr. on any box == hands on == i own it.  </shrugs>
[06:08] <nuxil> _2, you might own the box. but not the data.. you beed the key to access it..
[06:08] <_2> do you pay when you bet ?
[06:09] <_2> getting the key is childs play when you own the box
[06:10] <nuxil> if i want the key i need to hit userA in the head and grab the key from his pocket.
[06:10] <_2> nope.  jsut wait until he logs in and check your email
[06:11] <anom01y> why oh why would one kde accound have sound, but not the other ???
[06:12] <anom01y> I try to use amarok, I get "unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[06:12] <anom01y> and youtube doesnt work
[06:12] <anom01y> I tried asoundconf --reset-default-card, and I tried logging out/logging in
[06:12] <anom01y> but my other accound the sound works find
[06:13] <anom01y> (fine)
[06:13] <_2> anom01y did you use sudo with some graphical app in the one account        does one belong to groups the other doesnt
[06:13] <_2> either of those could explain it
[06:13] <nuxil> _2, how is he suppose to log in an check my mail when ? one user at the time on the pc.
[06:13] <_2> !kdesu
[06:13] <anom01y> _2:  hmm possibly
[06:14] <anom01y> I have no clue
[06:14] <anom01y> I will just check the groups to see if they are the same
[06:14] <_2> nuxil i didn't say.  he checks your mail.   i implied that the script i would use would email me the key when he used it...
[06:15] <_2> anom01y one may be in admin and the other not.   by default anyone in the admin group is "root jr."  and can do anything on the box in question.
[06:15] <anom01y> well the one accound wasnt on admin, or audio, like the other account (that works) is
[06:16] <_2> anom01y you did notice what i just said ?
[06:16] <anom01y> yeah I see that thank you
[06:16] <_2> if you don't want them to both be "root jr."  don't add the other to the admin account.
[06:16] <anom01y> ok
[06:17] <anom01y> yeah I will just check the "audio" group that wasnt checked
[06:17] <_2> you're welcome.
[06:17] <anom01y> is "adm" the same as "admin" becuase I have both
[06:17] <_2> anom01y depends on the version.   you can   sudo grep adm /etc/sudoers      to see
[06:18] <_2> it's the sudoers file that makes the differance there
[06:18] <anom01y> yeah I see that I am not in the sudoers group in kuser, but I can still do sudu in konsole for some reason, I think kuser is out of date or something
[06:18] <_2> if it has admin and not adm   then only admin   if it has adm and not admin  then....
[06:19] <_2> you should never be in the sudoers group methinks
[06:19] <_2> that removes the need to enter any authentication
[06:20] <_2> i.e.  it's basicly == login as root, run as root
[06:20] <anom01y> ahhh ok I see thank you
[06:20] <anom01y> what about "cdrom"
[06:20] <_2> yes   be in that
[06:22] <_2> and no not "disks"      reason being if anyone finds an exploit that lets them execute any command they might "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sd*"    which wouldn't need any added permission to wipe out your hdd's
[06:23] <_2> and i'm not talking one partition on one disk there btw
[06:23] <anom01y> its a real science hey
[06:23] <anom01y> well I'd say its about right hopefully the sound problem is fixed
[06:23] <joe_> how can i customiz kooldock?
[06:24] <_2> anom01y k i'm out for a bit.   good luck to your pinguin
[06:24] <anom01y> thank you
[06:24] <joe_> i've been use'n linux for about a few weeks but there are so many thing's i don't know about linux so i ask for help and hope to get answers
[06:25] <joe_> i did try to cuztomize kooldock with putt'n appiccations on it but it didn't work
[06:25] <joe_> can anyone help me out?
[06:25] <nuxil> joe_, in linux you must take some time to read up on stuff..
[06:26] <nuxil> joe_, i bet its explained on the homepage or in its doc's howto customize
[06:26] <joe_> nuxil: gezz thnx i guess i can't count on anyone here to help me out besides ppl alway's tell'n me to do it myself
[06:27] <joe_> i'm outta here & hope to NEVER come back here to ask for help ever again!!!
[06:27] <nuxil> 0.o
[06:28] <_2> on a non-*buntu self compiled app no less.
[06:28] <guaqua> and has to do it by himself :/
[06:28] <nuxil> he will be back tomorrow.. unless he installes windows again :p
[06:30] <nuxil> isnt there a getting started site for kubuntu?
[06:30]  * _2 /msg joe_ ok, never run my command again. "./configure && make && sudo make install "   you'll have to find some other way to get there now...... !
[06:30] <_2> :|
[06:31] <nuxil> sutes him right. we cant do the reading for him..
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> oh i'm glad i wasn't here for that one
[06:34] <guaqua> it took him full 4 minutes
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> the rampant apostrophe abuse alone is a sign of an unstable mind...
[06:38] <_2> apostrophe abuse lol's at Daisuke_Ido's l33t'ness
[06:38] <_2> :)
[06:38]  * Daisuke_Ido cringes
[06:39] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[06:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i already know your mind is unstable :P
[06:39] <_2> O.0
[06:39] <nuxil> hehe
[06:39] <_2> :)
[06:45] <nuxil> omg. i just tested out kooldocker. i hope joe was just trying to be anoying,, bc its uber simple to customize kooldocker
[06:47] <_2> nuxil he could prolly do that without trying,  some of us can ya know.
[06:48] <nuxil> yea,, its becomes natrual for someone.
[06:49] <K`zan> What is the command to switch in opengl for the nvidia card?
[06:49] <nuxil> erm, i think i must get myself a typo pluging.
[06:50] <nuxil> Load  "glx" ?
[06:50] <nuxil> K`zan, what do you exactly mean
[06:50] <_2> !restricted
[06:50] <_2> nah. not that.
[06:51] <_2> !nv
[06:51] <nuxil> !nvidia
[06:51] <K`zan> Well, I installed 8.04 here a while back and video seems sluggish compared to the same setup in 7.10.  Got the nvidia drivers (prop).  Not sure why it is so much klunkier than 7.10. Something not set right?!?!?
[06:52] <nuxil> K`zan, how did you comapre then?
[06:53] <nuxil> K`zan,have you set the driver to nvidia in xorg ?
[06:54] <nuxil> glxgears
[06:54] <nuxil> 65141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13028.101 FPS
[06:54] <nuxil> :)
[06:55] <_2> i wonder if there is a way to measure the display on this box...
[06:55] <K`zan> nuxil: Yes, set to nvidia and glx is loades too...
[06:55] <_2> err i should specify "that i'm looking at"
[06:56] <nuxil> ehh ? thake a mesure band and mesure the desktop :p
[06:56] <K`zan> 33207 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6641.344 FPS
[06:56] <nuxil> _2, glxgears meaures fps.. compiz has also one plugin that does that.
[06:56] <nuxil> K`zan, what Nvidia card?
[06:56] <_2> nuxil not in console
[06:56] <K`zan> Dunno.  6600GT
[06:57] <K`zan> 128M
[06:57] <nuxil> K`zan, i dont think you'll get more fps on that card
[06:57] <kalyan_> is kde 4.1 releasing today
[06:57] <nuxil> _2, ehh? why do you want to mesure fps in console ?
[06:58] <_2> nuxil i just said "i wonder if there is a way"
[06:58] <K`zan> It looks good but desktop studders and it takes about a second or so to close firefox windows.  None of this in 7.10.  Tempted to install 7.04 (.10?) again and see if it happens there now.
[06:58] <nuxil> ahh, i misunderstud
[06:59] <nuxil> K`zan, you got a old card.. try go to nividia.com and try a older driver.. that might help
[06:59] <nuxil> *nvidia.com
[07:00] <K`zan> Might be it, when I was installing those manually I knew what drivers I had :).
[07:00] <_2> nuxil "about thirty more typos today and i'll have to relimquish the crown to you..." --typo king #kubuntu
[07:01] <nuxil> hehe ;)
[07:01] <nuxil> _2, idea.. make a script that floods your console and and count the lines it floods pr /sec ..  lol
[07:01] <_2> i could do that.
[07:03] <K`zan> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run <--<<< What I was running... will uninstall whatever ubuntu did and install that and see what happens....
[07:03] <nuxil> try that
[07:03] <K`zan> Thanks for the help folks!  Much appreciated!
[07:03] <nuxil> K`zan, log your glxgrear output and compare
[07:03] <K`zan> nuxil: wilco, thanks.
[07:04] <_2> nuxil maybe even as simple as  "(sleep 1 ;killall -9 cat) &  cat /dev/hda
[07:04] <_2> "
[07:06] <_2> 32
[07:07] <raffytaffy> good evening, does anyone have the original repo list for 8.04, i am updating from 7.10
[07:08] <nuxil> _2, dont think that will work well.
[07:08] <_2> raffytaffy you can replace "edgy" with "hardy"  in your sources.list
[07:09] <raffytaffy> hmm
[07:09] <_2> nuxil it's not a bench mark by any means
[07:09] <nuxil> i know.
[07:09] <_2> but 32k lines is about what it would post
[07:11] <yuankai> wqi
[07:11] <yuankai> 再见
[07:12] <raffytaffy> should  enable universe and multiverse during distro upgrade
[07:13] <raffytaffy> i* ?
[07:13] <Jucato> !cn | yuankai
[07:18] <_2> raffytaffy anything you have installed from   yes
[07:18] <raffytaffy> ok
[07:19] <_2> raffytaffy mussent leave something behind while upgrading, it might hose the whole
[07:19] <raffytaffy> well in case it fails, i burned a 8.04 disk
[07:19] <_2> raffytaffy but isn't there a script for that from edgy to hardy ?
[07:20] <_2> !upgrade
[07:20] <_2> check there  ^
[07:20] <_2> there is a script for everything.
[07:21] <_2> function *() { * ; }
[07:21] <_2> don't run that by the way
[07:21] <_2> sorry i forgot the policy on stuff like that
[07:22]  * _2 admonishs self
[07:23] <_2> in short the shell would expand both * in that line and would generate a random function from "`ls -A`" output.
[07:23] <_2> not a good idea.
[07:24] <_2> err maybe not -A   but ls anyway
[07:29] <_2> oh my.   wine installs  /usr/bin/function_grep.pl    why on earth, oh why....
[07:30] <nuxil> wine is satan's app.. i keep aways from stuff like that :p
[07:30] <nuxil> _2, open the perl script and take a look
[07:30]  * _2 thought perl was   ^
[07:32] <nuxil> hehe.. it might be one if the smaller deamonds :p but the big boss is wine
[07:33] <_2> nuxil 29
[07:33] <nuxil> hu?
[07:33] <_2> just counting typos
[07:33] <_2> "_
[07:33] <nuxil> ahh :)
[07:34] <_2> was 30 more.  now 29
[07:34] <_2> i hate to part with the title,  but if you insist :)
[07:35] <KingOfTypos> :)
[07:35] <_2> not yet you arent.
[07:35] <nuxil> but soon :)
[07:35] <_2> ;)
[07:45] <_2> nuxil troll net ?
[07:45] <nuxil> :) im a troll on the net
[07:46] <nuxil> yes thats the isp
[07:46] <_2> nuxil did genii ever scan your ip?   i remember you asking him to
[07:46] <nuxil> i dont think he did
[07:47] <_2> could you tell if he did and didn't tell you ?
[07:47] <_2> :)))
[07:47] <_2> btw i'm scanning it right now for you.
[07:47] <nuxil> if he scaned me.. he didnt tell me about it.
[07:47] <nuxil> np
[07:48] <_2> Connect() Scan Timing: About 0.79% done
[07:48] <nuxil> i think you should find 2 open ports. but if you get more. tell me
[07:48] <_2> this is not an extensive probe.  just looking for possable connection points.     k i will
[07:49] <_2> nuxil i'll send you the full output.
[07:49] <nuxil> ok
[07:49] <nuxil> are you using nmap? or sara ?
[07:50] <elaine> hi
[07:50] <guido> hello
[07:50] <_2> nmapfe
[07:50] <elaine> hmm?
[07:50] <elaine> i have a silly question
[07:50] <elaine> its not life or death
[07:50] <_2> we like those
[07:50] <elaine> somehow, mostly because my mouse was loose
[07:51] <elaine> i stumbled across something that modified my start up password page away from the standard ubuntu one
[07:51] <elaine> and I wanted to know what app I used
[07:51] <elaine> so that I could modify it back
[07:51] <elo_> how do i find out what version of Qt i have?
[07:51] <elaine> but I have no idea
[07:51] <_2> elaine kcontrol can
[07:51] <elaine> thanks, lemme check on that
[07:52] <_2> elo_ kwin --version
[07:52] <elo_> thanks so much
[07:52] <guido> I'm trying to set a headless winxp with virtualbox and have seamless integration following the steps listed here http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/run-windows-xp-applications-seamlessly-on-your-linux-desktop but for some reason I can only get it to work once, upon reboot I couldn't connect remotely. I'm running kubuntu hardy heron. Anyone can lend me a hand?
[07:53] <elaine> how do i find out if I could have been using that if its not under my apps drop down window
[07:54] <_2> elaine in kde3 kcontrol is the app that so many parts of a accessed with "properties" and right click...
[07:55] <_2> so if it's kde3 you probably used kcontrol without knowing what was actually being ran behind the senes
[07:55] <elaine> hmm. thats probably what I did. how do i get back to that?
[07:56] <_2> it won't look the same. to have the full kcontrol open as it does for any given part
[07:56] <_2> elaine alt+f2 kcontrol     or kmenu > system settings > "settings manager" or something like that
[07:57] <_2> that last one doesn't sound right....
[07:57] <_2> but it's in there somewhere.  i just call kcontrol and use it's navagation
[07:58] <elaine> looking
[07:58] <_2> guido if no one in here can   you might try  ##windows too
[07:58] <guido> _2 thanks
[07:58] <guido> I'm also trying on #vbox
[07:59] <elaine> well, when I was trying to do that earlier, I installed some new startup manager and founda  way to manage the screen previous to that
[07:59] <_2> yeah in ##linux for any linux side of that...
[07:59] <elaine> but not the password splash screen thinggie
[07:59] <elaine> and theres no kcontrol in the windows interface, can I find it from the terminal?
[07:59] <_2> elaine ah  you may have switched from kdm to gdm ?
[08:00] <_2> elaine   sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[08:00] <elaine> i have kbabel etc but no kcontrol
[08:00] <elaine> yes
[08:01] <_2> what part of "<_2> elaine alt+f2 kcontrol" is so confusing ???
[08:01] <_2> the fact that i pitched in a kmenu > system settings    with it maybe ?
[08:04] <elaine> there is a chance anything is possible
[08:04] <elaine> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[08:04] <elaine> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[08:04] <elaine> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kdm is not installed
[08:04] <_2> elaine hmmm  gnome ?
[08:04] <elaine> yes
[08:04] <_2> then why are you in the kde specific channel ?
[08:04] <_2> /join #ubuntu
[08:05] <_2> they should know !
[08:05] <elaine> its the default on brand new ubuntu installation
[08:05] <_2> this channel is ?
[08:05] <elaine> yes
[08:05] <_2> on kubuntu   not  ubuntu
[08:06] <elaine> sorry
[08:06] <_2> anyway.  i don't know about gnome.   sorry.
[08:06] <elaine> i will do that
[08:08] <_2> nuxil seeing anything interesting ?  :)
[08:09] <elaine> its kubuntu because its a program called Konversation which is the default irc chat client so it used the K
[08:09] <_2> elaine so why are you went ?
[08:10] <_2> went is past tense of going
[08:10] <nuxil> what do you see?
[08:10] <_2> nuxil nothing much yet.
[08:10] <_2> one http port but you expected that
[08:10] <nuxil> yep
[08:11] <nuxil> i expect you to find 2 ports open
[08:11] <nuxil> oh +irc port
[08:11] <nuxil> 6667
[08:11] <_2> just figured you were taking the opertunity to brush up on your intruder detection skill
[08:11] <_2> you running an irc server ?
[08:12] <nuxil> no. but shouldnt it be listed open as long as iam connected to irc..
[08:12] <_2> nuxil you connect to port 6667 or 8001  on the server but the client port is not that.  it's a random high count port   32497   for example
[08:13] <nuxil> aha.. i'll need to fix that in my scrapy fw script
[08:13] <_2> and no it wont be "open"  it's established connection only.
[08:14] <_2> nuxil and no need to add more iptables rules   the  "established"  will let the traffic back in from the "established" ip you connected to.
[08:14] <_2> that's what it's for.
[08:14] <nuxil> _2, maybe you have time to look at my fw script then?
[08:15] <nuxil> i got tonz of rules
[08:15] <guido> I'm trying to set a headless winxp with virtualbox and have seamless integration following the steps listed here http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/run-windows-xp-applications-seamlessly-on-your-linux-desktop  and here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433359 but for some reason I can only get it to work once, upon reboot I couldn't connect remotely. I'm running kubuntu hardy heron. can anyone lend me a hand?
[08:15] <_2> nuxil i don't know iptables that well really.     but a rule on accpet like this >>>  ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
[08:16] <_2> lets all outbound packets back in when they return.   i.e. anything you initiate
[08:16] <_2>                               see where i earned the title ^
[08:17] <_2> accept
[08:17] <rodya_> does adept keep a log somewhere of which packages it has installed? I'm trying to figure out files it's pulling from my aptoncd repo disk so I can collate all the necessary ones onto just one disc
[08:17] <_2> rodya_ maybe.  but are you looking for the general dpkg log insted ?
[08:17] <_2> rodya_ check  /var/log/dpkg*
[08:18] <_2> !dpkg | rodya_
[08:18] <_2> !adept | rodya_
[08:18] <rodya_> I might be. Basically, I'm trying to install the BARE minimum files needed for russian language menus, the gimp, and mp3/xvid/dvd support on a clean install of hardy
[08:19] <_2> !locales
[08:19] <rodya_> on one computer with internet, so I can later figure out which ones to put together to install on computers without the internet
[08:19] <_2> rodya_ i haven't viewed it but that localeConf page may be what you want
[08:20] <tomasko> i like what wubi does, i like the "my grandma can use it" nature of ubuntu, but i like the speed of arch linux. is there any way i can have all three or at least a fast ubuntu on a laptop intended for a technophobe?
[08:20] <_2> and yes if you still want the log file     <_2> rodya_ check  /var/log/dpkg*
[08:20] <tomasko> let me rephrase... how do i make ubuntu faster? is there an easy way to stop a lot of the services that start up by default from not starting up? i remember having to use something like sysv-rc-conf and it was painful. no GUI frontend (like the system settings -> advanced -> services) eased the pain either
[08:21] <_2> tomasko you undo all the "defaults"   i.e. configure the base system and the desktop with only the things you need
[08:21] <rodya_> I'm a gnome person myself, but doing this for a school with kubuntu installed, so I'm just a bit of a deer in headlights, and keep stumbling stupidly over myself due to differences in the interface... Really need to get more comfortable with the terminal side of all this :P
[08:21] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> how do i reset the iptables to the default settings?
[08:22] <_2> iow take the fluff out of it.
[08:22] <_2> Big_Buddha_Daddy sudo iptables -F
[08:22] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> thank you
[08:23] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> do i need to restart?
[08:23] <_2> no
[08:23] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> coolio
[08:23] <_2> Big_Buddha_Daddy iptables -L   # this will list the rules
[08:24] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> ok
[08:24] <tomasko> _2: i don't have bios access to this machine so i have to boot into the lame windows install every time, so wubi seems to be my only way to a workable linux install
[08:24] <_2> Big_Buddha_Daddy sudo iptables -F   # this will flush all rules
[08:24] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> should i do that?
[08:24] <nuxil> IP=iptables ;  for table in nat mangle ; do $IP -F ; $IP -X ; $IP $table -X ; $IP $table -F ; done
[08:24] <tomasko> _2: so, is there a way to limit what processes start up on boot? because between arch and ubuntu, i've only really noticed a difference in boot time, not actual usage latency
[08:25] <_2> tomasko have antivirus protection turned on in bios to keep you from writing a new MBR ???
[08:25] <tomasko> _2: no, it's an old corporate laptop that the company says it is fine to install linux, etc. on, but they want to retain the bios password on the system
[08:26] <guido> I'm trying to set a headless winxp with virtualbox and have seamless integration following the steps listed here http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/run-windows-xp-applications-seamlessly-on-your-linux-desktop  and here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433359 but for some reason I can only get it to work once, upon reboot I couldn't connect remotely. I'm running kubuntu hardy heron. can anyone lend me a hand?
[08:26] <tomasko> _2: but either way, i can't mess with the boot order or partition the system
[08:26] <rodya_> does that log file get periodically flushed? does it persist after a reboot? Just in checking for it in general, I'm not seeing it on my own laptop (though it's been a week or so since I've installed anything here)
[08:27] <_2> tomasko yes  like i said   configure everything.    but there is not a "simple one click" answer.      SO startup processes are in /etc/inittab /etc/init.d/ /etc/rc?.d/  ...
[08:27] <_2> !upstart | tomasko
[08:28] <tomasko> oh, okay, thanks
[08:28] <_2> rodya_ no and yes, and i did use a wildcard on purpose, because cron will make backups.   /var/log/dpkg*   <<< may not be one file but many.
[08:30] <_2> tomasko there may also be several documents on the interweb about speeding up ubuntu.    but i will caution that installed in ntfs space is going to run slower than in native linux space.  it just has to.
[08:30] <_2> it's like running from a cd as opposed to an hdd
[08:30] <nuxil> _2 %? on scan
[08:31] <_2> it just can't perform quite as well.
[08:31] <_2> nuxil tired ?
[08:31] <tomasko> _2 that's fine, i can't help that. i mean i want to control what i can to be the fastest given the constraints
[08:31] <_2> nuxil i'll tell you tomarrow.  go sleep.
[08:31] <nuxil> _2, a little bit.. its 09:30 am. and i been up all night
[08:32] <_2> tomasko   k.
[08:32] <_2> promice.  my hat is not black.
[08:32] <nuxil> i must be awake until afternoon else, my day rythme gets totaly screwed up
[08:33] <Agent_bob> my collar is not blue either
[08:34] <Agent_bob> 11.66%
[08:34] <guido> I'm trying to set a headless winxp with virtualbox and have seamless integration following the steps listed here http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/run-windows-xp-applications-seamlessly-on-your-linux-desktop  and here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433359 but for some reason I can only get it to work once, upon reboot I couldn't connect remotely. I'm running kubuntu hardy heron. can anyone lend me a hand?
[08:34] <nuxil> Agent_bob, that will be running all day :p
[08:35] <Agent_bob> nah.   just an hour or two more.
[08:35] <Agent_bob> maybe 5  :)))
[08:36] <Agent_bob> oh and i'm well aware of what timezone that ip is in.   may not know exactly where you are.  but the ip is reasonably easy to find.
[08:38] <nuxil> the irc client will show you my ip tho
[08:39] <Agent_bob> and a whois on that will show where it's registered.
[08:39] <rodya_> can adept create download scripts to use on other machines to download packages, like synaptic does?
[08:39] <Agent_bob> !apt-move | rodya_
[08:39] <Agent_bob> !aptmove | rodya_
[08:39] <Agent_bob> bah.
[08:39] <Agent_bob> !aptzip | rodya_
[08:40] <rodya_> lol
[08:40] <Agent_bob> bot got a bad case of the dumba** today
[08:40] <rodya_> yeah looks like it
[08:40] <Agent_bob> !find apt-zip
[08:40] <Agent_bob> !find apt-move
[08:40] <Agent_bob> see i'm not KrazEE
[08:40] <Agent_bob> !info apt-move
[08:41] <Agent_bob> !info apt-zip
[08:41] <flaccid> Agent_bob: you can query ubottu first you know :)
[08:41] <Agent_bob> check out those two packages rodya_
[08:41] <Agent_bob> flaccid that takes all the fun out of it.
[08:42] <Agent_bob> nobody laughs   ;/
[08:42] <rodya_> oh okay, that's manageable
[08:43] <Agent_bob> rodya_ there may even be other related packages   you can search for...     apt-cache search ^apt
[08:44] <Agent_bob> and use    apt-cache show <found said package here>
[08:44] <Agent_bob> for detailed information on them.
[08:45] <Agent_bob> !info apt-mirror
[08:48] <rodya_> ah, man! It just occurred to me that this may be indeed trickier than I thought. I'm going to need to find out what i need installed on this fresh box without internet here, then I have to go to a computer with access to the net, but is running windows... so I will have to hand download these files from the package mirror site. I s'pose all i need is whatever app will generate a wget script, and then read it myself, and one by one download the necessary
[08:48] <rodya_> files?
[08:49] <rodya_> man, Ninotsminda just needs unlimited DSL already :(
[08:49]  * Agent_bob thinks there should be one more package  "apt-complain"  to allow users to complain dirrectly to package builders about bugs in [pre,post][rm,inst] scripts....
[08:49] <Agent_bob> rodya_ i think that's what apt-zip is for
[08:49] <rodya_> okay. that's the one I'll explore. thanks for the help!
[08:50] <Agent_bob> rodya_ also dont do "apt-get clean" it clears out the package cache.   i.e. deletes the packages you already dl'd.  insted save them to carry to the other boxen.    they are found in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:53] <Agent_bob> rodya_ i use a script to keep all packages i dl    you might have a look at it for thoughts maybe.    if you know anything about shell scripts.     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4976c8df
[08:54] <Agent_bob> with it ^ doing apt-get clean   doesn't hurt, it only deletes symlinks  the packages remain.
[08:54] <Agent_bob> just a thought.
[08:58] <rodya_> you know for the time being it might just be a bit simpler - so long as adept shows in it's "preview changes" display every dependency it's going to install along with requested ones, I can just jot them down and pull them from the mirrors myself?
[08:58] <rodya_> or am i missing a critical piece of the puzzle?
[09:00] <Agent_bob> well butning to cd what you dl'd on one box and copying them to the other boxen saves dl'ing again.
[09:00] <Agent_bob> burn
[09:01] <Agent_bob> what i'm saying is cloning is easy.  you setup one. and copy too all others.
[09:02] <rodya_> well yeah, that's the ultimate goal - after the fact I'll put them all together using my computer to create a special aptoncd repo disc and there we go... in business
[09:02] <rodya_> if I'm not missing anything
[09:03] <Agent_bob> not sure.  but you may be missing the fact that if the packages exist in /var/cache/apt/archives/  on any given box  you can use the package manager of choice to install them without needing to dl anything.   they are already local....
[09:04] <rodya_> no that much I got, I just don't think I'm going toget the okay at this office today to install hardy on one of their computers, even though I'm going to need to do that eventually anyway
[09:05] <rodya_> the complication is that I'll have to do the downloading itself on a windows box, most likely
[09:06] <rodya_> I suppose I could use my laptop, but it's running gutsy, so preinstalling them here and just copying the cache is a no-go
[09:06] <chigoja> Hello people
[09:07] <rodya_> really hoping those hiccoughs on thinkpads get smoothed out for 8.10
[09:07] <rodya_> google as I did, it looked like half the problems (compiz, sound, wifi) have yet to really be cleaned up
[09:07] <Agent_bob> rodya_ for instance, i have 7 boxes setup alike, with same packages installed.   i want to update them for security sake.    but i don't want each to have to dl.  only one.     i run   sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   on the "dl" box.    then when finished. i make a tarball like this.   sudo tar -czf update.tgz /var/cache/apt/archives /var/lib/apt    copy that file "update.tgz" to all boxes and unpack it in /
[09:08] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:08] <Agent_bob> and there all updated  with only one dl.
[09:09] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> i need help restoring GRUB, I tried to repair my windows OS, and when i rebooted to go into Ubuntu, it wasnt there
[09:10] <Agent_bob> !grub
[09:10] <rodya_> well that's actually delightfully simple
[09:10] <rodya_> thanks for that tip
[09:10] <rodya_> put that way
[09:10] <Agent_bob> rodya_ welcome.
[09:10] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> thanks
[09:10] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> Agent_bob: will that remedy it, i mean will i lose my data
[09:10] <Agent_bob> rodya_ yeah sometimes communication is the issue  :)
[09:11] <Agent_bob> Big_Buddha_Daddy grub should not cause a data loss.   but backups are never a bad idea
[09:11] <Big_Buddha_Daddy> right on, thanks
[09:12] <Agent_bob> some features of grub i like.    and sometimes wish i could use grub to boot this box.
[09:17] <rodya_> alright, I'm off to give this a try. Thanks for all your help, Agent_bob
[09:18] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[09:20] <Agent_bob> you know it's a shame grub can't find it's buttoc with both hands...   i would actually use it if it could boot this box.      errr and wouldn't hose my primary superblock.
[09:46] <danielantonio> hi!
[09:46] <Agent_bob> danielantonio
[09:51] <comboyvid> when will 4.1 be up on kubuntu?
[10:15] <Brydenn> hi
[10:15] <Brydenn> anyone up?
[10:15] <Agent_bob> Brydenn
[10:15] <nuxil> yes
[10:15] <Brydenn> nice
[10:16] <Brydenn> well i just installed kubuntu and having some network issues
[10:16] <nuxil> what issues?
[10:16] <Brydenn> i'm not sure how... but i need to change my name server to <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:16]  * Brydenn has a "modified" modem ;)
[10:16] <Brydenn> so right now i have no internet on kubuntu :(
[10:16] <Brydenn> so how do i manually go through and set it up right?
[10:16] <Agent_bob>  /etc/resolv.conf
[10:17] <nuxil> welll. put it in there,, or open knetworkmanager
[10:17] <Brydenn> sudo kwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[10:17] <Brydenn> knetworkmanager? they have a GUI to change that info?
[10:18] <nuxil> yes,
[10:18] <Brydenn> very cool.
[10:18] <Brydenn> sorry for my ignorance. i'm still very new to all this :)
[10:18] <Brydenn> now i wont have to reset that info ever time i reboot will i?
[10:18] <flaccid> if you write to resolv.conf manually make sure you have no dhclient running / dynamic config in /etc/network/interfaces..
[10:19] <Brydenn> alright guys. i'll give some things a try. :) Thanks!
[10:20] <flaccid> knetworkmanager manual config is all you need to do if this is your requirement. <IP_ADDRESS> is a great public dns server but your isps will be faster in lateny
[10:20] <Brydenn> ya well
[10:20] <Brydenn> i'll deal :)
[10:20] <Brydenn> thanks
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[10:40] <nuxil> g day
[10:40] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> word of warning
[10:41] <Agent_bob> don't update
[10:41] <Agent_bob> ?
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> dont play frets on fire with tool's schism
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> hurts load
[10:41] <Agent_bob> oh.
[10:42] <Agent_bob> i updated and spent a day getting it to boot correctly again.
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> what was changed?
[10:42] <Agent_bob> the kernel initramfs pair
[10:43] <Agent_bob> and the stupid initramfs wouldn't make the root devicenode
[10:43]  * nuxil runs a customs kernel :)
[10:44]  * Agent_bob now runs a custom initramfs image
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: yeah ive seen kernel stuff on updates but they are held back
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> so i was like, "ok if thats how it is"
[10:44] <rodya_> hey again - so I might be missing something (again), but out of the box, is kubuntu-restricted-extras not visible to apt without an apt-get update?
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> rodya_: no updates are available out of the box, you need to update
[10:46] <nuxil> how else does it know anout new stuff
[10:46] <rodya_> well, just the straight install of the package - not an update, but marking it for installation
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> rodya_: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras; sudo apt-get clean
[10:47] <Agent_bob> rodya_ you did notice that in the example i gave eariler   i tar'd  /var/lib/apt   also ?   that's where apt keeps track with what is avalable in it's repos.  and the /etc/apt/sources.list  lists the repos.
[10:47] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip why clean ?
[10:48] <Agent_bob> why are you deleting all downloaded packages first ActionParsnip ?
[10:48] <nuxil> man i need something to put under my eyes. been up for 22 H.. and  must be up at least 6 more:
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> cleans out the old debs and makes sure you dont get drive full messages
[10:48] <nuxil> -.-
[10:48] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip he wants to keep his package cache tho
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> then omit the clean commands
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> its habit for me. i like my system as minimal and punchy as possible
[10:50] <Agent_bob> he has a bandwith issue and several machines to update.
[10:50] <Agent_bob> some not networked maybe.
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> i thought it was a single system
[10:50] <rodya_> I'm out in the boonies of a developing country with horrible almost nonexistant only through wap internet and I need to save the packages to keep for other comps :)
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> rodya_: then dont do the clean command
[10:51] <rodya_> yeah
[10:51] <nuxil> omg. your dl with wap?
[10:51] <rodya_> yeah
[10:51] <rodya_> hah
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> wap is great for email downloads :D
[10:51] <Agent_bob> :)
[10:51]  * nuxil gives rodya_ 10 pack of coffee
[10:52] <rodya_> I'm in the Peace Corps in the republic of georgia -- the georgian gov't has rolled out linux machines to all the schools, but hasn't really trained administrators in how to use these things or maintain them
[10:52] <flaccid> dang
[10:52] <Agent_bob> ah ground breaking....
[10:53] <flaccid> whats new :)
[10:53] <rodya_> and even further, we don't have easy net access to get important things like russian menus, etc etc
[10:53] <nuxil> rodya_, cant you put the cache on a nfs export ?
[10:53] <rodya_> it's been a ridiculous mess, so much of this would have been solved by having the live dvd with all the main repo on it
[10:54] <Agent_bob> more than one way to pull the wool off a /bin/cat
[10:54] <rodya_> but the hardy image that made it up on the georgian server is corrupted, dies with i/o errors left and right
[10:54] <nuxil> rodya_, it better be a big dvd.. its about 25000 pack in the repo
[10:54] <rodya_> or whatever that dvd is, at least
[10:55] <rodya_> the dvd that comes out with each release
[10:55] <Agent_bob> alternate install disk
[10:56] <Agent_bob> i would like to have a full boxed set of debian latest stable....
[10:56] <rodya_> I've got it for gutsy, and have all the stuff needed for gutsy, but by random chance gutsy has some unresolved thing going on with the cd burners the ministry bought for these machines
[10:56] <rodya_> so it's just whack one mole, three more pop up
[10:56] <flaccid> i hope your people are volunteers :)
[10:57] <Agent_bob> good illistration  with the moles btw
[10:57] <rodya_> some are, and many aren't, but are kind of part timer students and the like
[10:57] <fadi> fff
[10:58] <rodya_> so, there you go, there's your peace corps. I don't know terribly well what I'm doing but I can safely say I'm the by default linux expert in this town... god help us all
[10:58] <Agent_bob> like swat'en sketters in louisiana,  ya just caint get caught up...
[10:59]  * Agent_bob blinks !
[11:00] <Agent_bob> s/ett/eet/
[11:01] <rodya_> so I think I've managed to understand a bit better the deal with apt in general. I had always assumed that "out of the box" it has a list of everything that is on the official repos, and the update just runs a check for changes. But in reality, "out of the box" you have to run update once to tell it what's out there, as it doesn't come with that list of what was available as of the moment the version (in this case, 8.04.1) was finalized
[11:01] <rodya_> am i just about right?
[11:01]  * nuxil wounders if rodya_ can use clusterssh
[11:02] <Agent_bob> rodya_ pretty close.    the enabled repos are current as of date of mastering.
[11:03] <Agent_bob> the updates and security repos are always changing so there is no way to say current except from the web.
[11:03] <rodya_> but how might that explain things like "kubuntu-restricted-extras" or even "language-pack-ru" not even being visible as possible installs pre-update?
[11:05] <rodya_> like, right now if i were to sit down and type "apt-get install language-pack-ru" just to get the error "d/l failed... are you on the internet? (or something to that effect)" in fact all I get is "couldn't find language-pack-ru" - done and done
[11:06] <Agent_bob> umm because the only repo enabled on the install disk is the packages on the install disk...  ?
[11:06] <rodya_> ahhhhhhhh
[11:06] <rodya_> see that's where I had a very ridiculous misconception
[11:06] <rodya_> okay
[11:07] <Agent_bob> i.e. check the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[11:07] <rodya_> got it
[11:08] <Agent_bob> man sources.list
[11:08] <rodya_> i've got main, universe, and multiverse
[11:08] <rodya_> all available
[11:09] <rodya_> I'd assumed these things were in univ or multi, but It's just clear I'm going to at least need to run an update to get sight of these packages
[11:09] <rodya_> okay
[11:10] <rodya_> i do believe this now requires coffee and a cigarette :)
[11:10] <Agent_bob> rodya_ you will have to update one box youe.
[11:10] <Agent_bob> yes
[11:10] <Agent_bob> i thought we covered that already
[11:14] <bryan> BOnjour
[11:14] <bryan> Appel a tous les Linuxiens pouvez vous m'aidez ?
[11:14] <jussi01> !fr
[11:27] <nuxil> Agent_bob, is the scan still going on ?
[11:39] <rodya_> okay, so I konw how I'll be doing this then... you guys think you can give me a ballpark from a clean install of hardy, how much bandwidth I'm likely to blow in running apt-get update, downloading russian language packs for openoffice and kubuntu in general, and getting mp3 and vid support? Think I can do it all in 30 mb or less?
[11:39] <rodya_> need to know how many phonecards are going to go on this, basically :)
[11:41] <nuxil> what speed do you get on wpa?
[11:42] <rodya_> think 1999 dialup
[11:42] <rodya_> I can let it run overnight if need be, time isn't the issue
[11:46] <ahox> rodya_: 30mb wont cut it for a full update, there where a few kernel updates, firefox etc in the meantime. However, if you only enable security updates, it might work. Not sure
[11:46] <ahox> but aptitude upgrade will tell you how much you have to download
[11:47] <nuxil> mp3 > security :p
[11:47] <ahox> nuxil: He could selectivly install the mp3s and so on
[11:48] <ahox> but if he updates from all the reps, I dont think that 30mb is sufficient
[11:50] <nuxil> tme to take a nap
[11:50] <nuxil> *time
[11:50] <dileep> hello can some one help me
[11:50] <nuxil> wot
[11:50] <dileep> nuxil can u help me to learn
[11:51] <nuxil> learn what ?
[11:51] <rodya_> yeah, I'm laughing about mp3 > security too. but my school folk here are freaking livid that the computers aren't running windows as it is - they're not yet at the "Oh, let's just reencode to ogg, that's cool" point yet
[11:51] <bazhang> dileep, what is the question
[11:51] <dileep> learn to program in linux
[11:52] <nuxil> dileep, start out with bash. theres a guide called abs
[11:52] <bazhang> dileep, this is a troubleshooting channel; not really a one on one tutorial channel-->there are a number of web sites you can learn about that on
[11:52] <dileep> k nuxil
[11:52] <rodya_> let it be enough for the time being that they'll be running a system that won't catch every one of the 8,000 trojans running around on everyone's pendrives
[11:52] <error404notfound> what's the default email client in KDE?
[11:53] <rodya_> trust me, that's security enough on my watch
[11:53] <flaccid> error404notfound: kmail i guess
[11:53] <dileep> can u tell any one of then bazhang
[11:53] <Tm_T> rodya_: what are you talking about?
[11:53] <trixon> I dont have any icons for folders in the kmenu in kde4.1rc1, only questionmarks. Is that a kde or kubuntus "feature"?
[11:54] <Tm_T> trixon: hmm, and you have iconthemes installed?
[11:54] <rodya_> long story - helping get a bunch of linux machines situated for some school computers in the caucasus - the teachers at these schools whine uncontrollably that their min of education didn't spring for windows licences
[11:54] <jussi01> trixon: please use #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support
[11:54] <rodya_> anyway I'm off to buy phonecards
[11:55] <rodya_> thanks for both the patience and the help
[11:55] <nuxil> lol
[11:55] <nuxil> :)
[11:55] <dileep> hey nuxil can u tell me something to get start gtk program??
[11:55] <nuxil> rodya_, you'll be up all night chaing cards
[11:55] <nuxil> err..
[11:56] <nuxil> dileep, thats the wrong channel to ask, but look into pyqt4 instead
[11:56] <trixon> Tm_T ok will change channel, and yes every other icon is ok
[11:56] <nuxil> *this
[11:56] <dileep> pyqt4 means
[11:57] <bazhang> http://www.techbooksforfree.com/linux.shtml dileep look here
[11:57] <nuxil> python qt 4 . qt is a trolltech product .. qt > gtk
[11:57] <dileep> k thanq bazhang
[11:58] <nuxil> dileep, learning gui programing is not the 1st step..
[11:58] <bazhang> np
[11:59] <nuxil> 1st learn c c# c++ etc etc etc then you move on to gui
[11:59] <dileep> nuxil then wat to do
[11:59] <dileep> i know c,c++ in windows
[11:59] <nuxil> then you probaly would take a look at qt4
[11:59] <nuxil> its the future
[12:00] <dileep> where to start qt4 nuxil??
[12:00] <nuxil> with google.
[12:01] <dileep> k i will try!!
[12:01] <nuxil> google qt4 toturial | howto
[12:01] <nuxil> erm.. my english sucks..
[12:02] <nuxil> dileep, also visit #qt
[12:02] <dileep> k thankq nuxil
[12:03] <nuxil> np
[12:16] <pc_> hi guys
[12:17] <pc_> does anyone know how to run flash non free for mozilla borwser pls?
[12:17] <flaccid> !flash | pc_
[12:17] <pc_> ok, thx
[12:17] <flaccid> np
[12:21] <AndrewMohawk> what should i install to get unicode support in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[12:21] <AndrewMohawk> my python scripts on my kubuntu box are throwing: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 31: ordinal not in range(128)
[12:22] <jussi01> !partition
[12:23] <_dennister> g'morning channel...is anyone using the envy drivers yet for legacy nvidia cards?
[12:24] <_dennister> more importantly, how well is it working?
[12:28] <AndrewMohawk> anyone?
[12:29] <nuxil> is it a python qt app ?
[12:29] <flaccid> _dennister: envy has its own drivers?
[12:31] <AndrewMohawk> nuxil: no, just a raw python console app
[12:32] <nuxil> maybe thay forgot to put --enable-unicode=ucsX on the pack :\
[12:33] <nuxil> import codecs ?
[12:33] <AndrewMohawk> how?
[12:33] <AndrewMohawk> well whats weird is i dont get the errors on my 8.04 box
[12:33] <AndrewMohawk> that has kde
[12:34] <nuxil> open the file and put that on of the top lines
[12:34] <AndrewMohawk> but on my server i get the errors
[12:34] <AndrewMohawk> at the top of my .py?
[12:35] <AndrewMohawk> before the #! /usr....
[12:35] <AndrewMohawk> ?
[12:36] <nuxil> stop.
[12:37] <AndrewMohawk> ?
[12:37] <nuxil> its most likely that you are missing a module
[12:37] <flaccid> !enter | AndrewMohawk
[12:39] <nuxil> but try to put import codecs amount the other imports.
[12:39] <nuxil> below import sys
[12:40] <AndrewMohawk> still no change :(
[12:41] <nuxil> what app is it exactly?
[12:41] <AndrewMohawk> just one i wrote
[12:41] <AndrewMohawk> testing out mechanize
[12:41] <AndrewMohawk> and beautiful soup
[12:44] <nuxil> sounds strange
[12:45] <nuxil> try to put # -*- coding: latin-1 -*- in there.. for testing
[12:50] <nuxil> AndrewMohawk,  adding at the top # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- or # -*- coding: latin-1 -*-  and see what it does.
[12:50] <nuxil> AndrewMohawk, right below #! /usr/bin/env python
[12:54] <sacha> hello
[12:55] <sacha> which depot does I Have to add , for try Kde4.1 release?
[12:55] <Pici> #python probably would be a better place to discuss python issues.
[12:56] <sacha> ?
[12:57] <clinx> sacha: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[12:57] <sacha> clinx: thw
[12:57] <sacha> thx
[12:58] <nuxil> Pici, true . and AndrewMohawk  read up on http://lowkster.blogspot.com/2008/06/python-unicode-sucks.html
[12:59] <clinx> only the core packages are available this time
[13:03] <strog_> i keep on getting the following dialog window
[13:03] <_dennister> has anyone had any results good/bad from the envy driver for older nvidia cards?
[13:03] <strog_> Reason: 421 there are too many connections from your internet address
[13:03] <strog_> any idea what the problem is?
[13:04] <_dennister> !envy
[13:04] <Pici> strog_: When connecting to IRC?
[13:06] <strog_> no to the internet
[13:06] <strog_> the message comes from konqueror
[13:06] <Pici> strog_: For every website?
[13:06] <strog_> seems so
[13:07] <strog_> and i get an assert failed window when i try to use firefox
[13:09] <strog_> Pici: here http://pastebin.com/m7aa9e79a
[13:11] <hagabaka> are kde 4.1 packages in yet?
[13:16] <strog_> Pici: any idea where the problem is??
[13:30] <lolostates> bonjour
[13:30] <fadey> Hi,everyone. I'm trying to update kde 4.1 (from http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/) and I get a message "The following packages have been kept back:"
[13:30] <fadey> I've tried apt-get dist-upgrade as well
[13:30] <fadey> same result
[13:30] <luca_b> fadey: not all pkgs are ready yet, please wait a little while
[13:30] <sacha> fadey: there are a major error! Go on #kubuntu-kde4
[13:30] <fadey> :-)
[13:30] <fadey> sorry
[13:32] <sacha> fadey: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[13:34] <trackrecokd> please help me
[13:34] <trackrecokd> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:35] <trackrecokd> kubuntu-kde4-desktop:
[13:35] <trackrecokd> and a VERY large list of kde4 apps
[13:35] <trackrecokd> E: Broken packages
[13:35] <Jucato> trackrecokd: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[13:35] <el-gokulo> updated bit to early :)
[13:35] <Jucato> trackrecokd: also please dont' paste-flood
[13:47] <__P__34> hi all
[13:47] <__P__34> there is a way to use kde 4.1 and dual monitor?
[13:57] <ahox__> __P__34: yes, I used the nvidia setup tool
[13:58] <__P__34> but twinvew
[13:58] <pfee>  __P__34: Yes, but it's more a question regarding xrandr, not kde 4.1.
[13:58] <__P__34> or dual X ?
[13:59] <pfee>  __P__34: If your drivers are good enough, then you can use xrandr to setup two monitors as clones of the one display, or have your desktop span the two monitors.
[14:00] <pfee>  __P__34: It works well with Intel X3100, but not so good on an ATI FireGL Mobility T2 that I also use.
[14:00] <__P__34> i like with two desktop, one bottom panel,  i don like twinview beacuse if i enlarge window it become to stretch and big
[14:01] <__P__34> i have nvidia
[14:01] <__P__34> 177 driver on kubuntu intrepid
[14:01] <antheo> Hi
[14:02] <antheo> I use Ubuntu 8 and firefox3, I have plugings, but no video play in browser
[14:02] <ahox__> __P__34: TwinView can use two seperate monitors and use them as such, i.e. if I maximize a window, it only maximises over one screen
[14:02] <pfee>  __P__34: The xrandr commands "should" hide you from driver specifies.  There are GUIs which drive xrandr, e.g. krandrtray, but I've had less success with them.
[14:02] <__P__34> pfee:  you uses separate X on twinview?
[14:03] <__P__34> pfee me too with Krandrtray  it see only one monitor
[14:03] <__P__34> but it is up  i can use it with xubuntu
[14:04] <__P__34> ahox__: how?
[14:04] <__P__34> ahox__:  with kde 4.1?
[14:04] <pfee> __P__34: A single X display, spanning two monitors.  With xrandr you can see the current desktop virtual screen resolution and how that is mapped down onto physical monitors.
[14:04] <ahox__> Here is my xorg.conf, but be carefull, http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=umcss
[14:05] <antheo> I decided not to use twinview because of my video card... :-(
[14:06] <__P__34> ahox__: before to try
[14:06] <__P__34> are you using kde 4.1 ?
[14:06] <ahox__> __P__34: yes
[14:06] <__P__34> ok
[14:06] <__P__34> let me try
[14:06] <ahox__> __P__34: I just notice that systemsettings does only see one screen
[14:07] <ahox__> However, maximize, panels, etc do work
[14:07] <__P__34> ok
[14:10] <antheo> I use Ubuntu 8 and firefox3, I have plugings, but no video play in browser... could you help me please
[14:12] <ahox__> antheo: No video means no divx, etc... or really no video?
[14:12] <antheo> no divx, no nothing...
[14:12] <ahox__> or no flash?
[14:12] <antheo> flash plays
[14:13] <ahox__> why would you want to play a video in firefox? Or did I misunderstood something?
[14:13] <antheo> I had script blocker, but I've disabled it
[14:13] <ahox__> Or are you speaking about realtime, etc?
[14:13] <antheo> for example, youtube doesn't play video in my browser
[14:14] <ahox__> Youtube is flash
[14:14] <antheo> yes ahox__...
[14:14] <White_Pelican> is it out?
[14:14] <White_Pelican> 4.1 I mean
[14:14] <chris_asd> #kde-party !!!
[14:14] <ahox> So flash does not play?
[14:15] <antheo> only video flash I presume, because on other flash site play
[14:15] <antheo> but no video
[14:15] <antheo> flash animation play
[14:15] <antheo> but no flv, mpg, avi, etc...
[14:16] <ahox> is flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[14:16] <antheo> yes, it si
[14:16] <antheo> is
[14:16] <antheo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree, it say that it is installed
[14:17] <antheo> all others plugins are installed... video with totem, vlc, quicktime, etc...
[14:18] <antheo> with Firefox 2, video play, but no with vers.3
[14:19] <ahox> Maybe the flashplugin is disabled.
[14:19] <chris_asd> maybe the flashplugin sucks ?
[14:19] <antheo> no, all are activate
[14:20] <antheo> I'll try to disinstall all?
[14:20] <ahox> Does Tools/Add-Ons/Plugins show the Shockwave Flash?
[14:20] <antheo> yes, ahox
[14:20] <ahox> odd, sorry, I am out of ideas
[14:21] <antheo> ... thanks ahox... I'll will try to reinstall plugins
[14:33] <genii> antheo: You may also need the different codecs which the videos could be encoded in
[14:39] <not-alone>  http://paste.org.ru/?msxi26 what mean this errors
[14:42] <kallu> kde 4.1 rc is not accepting my monitor screen resolution ... when i change to 1280x1024 it is accepting for that session .. when i restart the comp it again reverts to 1024x768 .. its not the case with gnome
[14:42] <genii> kallu: Plase ask in #kubuntu-kde4 channel
[14:43] <kallu> genii, i will .. thanks
[14:48] <__P__34> ahox:  now i have two monitor up
[14:48] <__P__34> but in the second one
[14:48] <__P__34> rightof
[14:49] <_dennister> howdy all
[14:49] <__P__34> no desktop, no panel  and no right click
[14:49] <ahox> what does systemsettings/display say?
[14:49] <ahox> or you could try nvidia-settings
[14:50]  * genii hands _dennister a coffee
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead
[14:51] <__P__34> 2560x1024 auto  with 50H
[14:52] <_dennister> genii: hey there :)
[14:52] <_dennister> methinks i need another real one of those
[14:52] <kaminix> http://www.mojaveexperiment.com :)
[14:53] <ahox> looks ok...
[14:53] <ahox> !Xinerama | __P__34
[14:53] <__P__34> i am not using xinerama
[14:55] <_dennister> tdoay i'm having troubles with another hardy build not detecting ps/2 mouse, bios system clock will *not* stay current (have swapped battery twice now), and don't want to close up this box until I'm sure the one and only case fan is cooling this P4 system well enough...no spot for a second case fan in the case
[14:59] <genii> _dennister: Some bios for ps2 mouse have 3 options: enable/disable/auto     should be set explicitly to enable  in these cases.  Clock situation... does it reset the entire date or just the hour?
[15:00] <_dennister> genii: had ps2 mouse set to auto, didn't work, now its set to enabled, still doesn't work...may be this i8042.nopnp bug i'm reading about in launchpad
[15:00] <_dennister> genii: clock situation: just the hour is reset at reboot
[15:04] <genii> _dennister: The clock reset isn't battery then, it would go back to something like Jan 01 1980 or such.  System is likely using hwclock function to adjust bios time to fit whatever offset from GMT you specified for timezone
[15:07] <_dennister> genii: u mean changing the locale to toronto (from us, now that system is installed) will fix the bios hour problem? the pnp os is doing the time change in bios?
[15:08] <_dennister> i was planning to do that anyway, when I had some of these other hardware issues/annoyances fixed
[15:08] <genii> _dennister: If you set the timezone to GMT -5 and tell it hardware clock is NOT set to UTC (this means also GMT) then it shouldn't mess with the clock anymore
[15:09] <genii> And then the bios time can be set to Toronto time
[15:09] <_dennister> great; next issue...mouse...i'm gonna try a few things, like the workarounds this launchpad bug suggests
[15:09] <genii> _dennister: Is the mouse some usb mouse thats plugged to a usb->ps2 adapter?
[15:10] <ashok> hi.........can anybody one help me?
[15:10] <genii> !ask | ashok
[15:10] <_dennister> genii: no, i am using a usb mouse right now only because the ps2 mouse has never worked with this system...no adapter has been tried yet
[15:11] <genii> _dennister: OK. Somegtimes those adapters screw up the autodetect method is all. Does it also have a ps2 keyboard on this box?
[15:11] <ashok> my display preferences are not persisting over reboots..it keeps on sticking to 87hz refresh rate..
[15:11] <_dennister> yep, and it's always worked
[15:12] <ashok> yeah
[15:12] <genii> _dennister: OK. Some systems no ps2 keyboard means mouse detection gets pre-empted
[15:12] <genii> ashok: Do you have session saving on?
[15:12] <ashok> sorry,, i didn't understand
[15:13] <_dennister> i think i'm ok with 256mb of rambus memory, as there's another 256 mb of cache on the p4 cpu
[15:14] <genii> ashok: If you do not tell kubuntu to remember your settings, every boot it will return the same way it was before you changed things
[15:14] <_dennister> or is it the asus mobo? i forget, but there seem to be an issue with not enough ram, even though the livecd said it needed 384mb of ram to use, i haven't experienced any problems that I can trace back to ram yet
[15:14] <ashok> how i can do that? i used the option in nvidia settings control panel to save settings to xorg,conf
[15:15] <_dennister> sorry...no issues with not enough ram have been detected yet
[15:15] <genii> ashok: K-Button...System Settings.... Advanced tab ...Session Manager...  then there you can choose something like On Login- Restore Previous Session
[15:16] <_dennister> genii: before I log out to try some things related to the ps2 mouse, is it possible that one 80mm case fan and the cpu fan is enough cooling for this p4 system?
[15:16] <_dennister> oh, and of course there's the power supply fan for exhaust
[15:16] <genii> _dennister: Most p4 are fine with stock cooling
[15:17] <ashok> the option "Restore Previous Session' is already checked.....
[15:17] <_dennister> genii: ok, great, after i get the mouse issue and clock thing fixed, I'll close up the box and so some stress testing
[15:17] <_dennister> be back soon
[15:20] <genii> ashok: OK. Offhand then I have no immediate ideas
[15:20] <ashok> okay genji...thank you....
[15:28] <jco> hi, is anyone sending files via bluetooth to 8.04 systems? Any known workaround to suggest?
[15:29] <Tm_T> works here
[15:29] <genii> works here as well from my Nokia phone to a usb bluetooth adapter
[15:30] <engineer> same here
[15:30] <jco> Tm_T: what version of bluetooth and kdebluetooth packages do you have if I may ask?
[15:31] <Tm_T> kdebluetooth is 1.0~beta9~r769275-0ubuntu1
[15:33] <genii> 1.0~beta9~r769275-0ubuntu1 as well here
[15:33] <genii> Tm_T: You have -proposed enabled?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:33] <genii> BluesKaj: Heya :)
[15:33] <Tm_T> genii: mmmm, shouldn't IIRC
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hi genii :)
[15:34] <jco> same here... still I have the problem that seems to affect many on the net, the "Connection failed" thing... well, thanks anyway
[15:36] <genii> jco: Normally I pair from the phone side to my laptop. Then I send files or so from it. Rather than trying to mount the phone and do the obex thing.
[15:37] <jco> genii: that's what I'm doing, since I can't browse the directory I want from the notebook. btw, for public folders on the phone, browsing from the notebook works fine
[15:38] <jco> genii: and the phone can send to other 2 OS on this same notebook
[15:47] <genii> jco: I recall on 7.04 I had to mess around with the rfcomm config files but what I did there eludes me now
[15:48] <jco> genii: I've seen on the web some reports dating back to then, maybe I'll try those also
[15:48] <jco> genii: I've seen most people solved the problem by installing debian packages though
[15:55] <paolo_> Is anyone here able to use kmail to send mail (without some annoying tricks) ?
[15:57] <jco> paolo_: yes, it's my one and only MUA
[16:16] <rikard> Where would I go about getting the kernel headers so I can compile this wireless driver?
[16:19] <engineer> go to apt
[16:19] <genii> linux-headers-generic     unless you have some different kernel
[16:20] <siekacz> hello
[16:20] <siekacz> do you have problems with KDE 4.1?
[16:21] <engineer> some
[16:21] <siekacz> I've got same problems with ksplash themes
[16:23] <siekacz> *some
[16:29] <genii> siekacz: For assistance specific to kde4 please visit the channel #kubuntu-kde4
[16:29] <rohan> is there a GPG key for ppa packages?
[16:30] <rohan> in other words, can launchpad ppa packages be GPG signed?
[16:30] <Pici> rohan: I think so, but #launchpad would be the proper place to ask about it.
[16:30] <rohan> Pici: ok, thanks
[16:30] <rohan> i am trying to install kde 4.1
[16:31] <Pici> rohan: Ah, then you're best bet is #kubuntu-kde4
[16:32] <rohan> ok Pici , thanks :)
[16:37] <wesley__> !adeptfix
[17:15] <Manaf> hello. How come i can access other users files?
[17:16] <Manaf> I have made 3 accounts and I can acess user folders from within the 3 accounts.. They are not all admins
[17:17] <macic> I don't have a bloody idea
[17:17] <macic> ~~
[17:18] <Manaf> is this normal behaviour?
[17:18] <macic> I guess You want to access them in dolphin?
[17:18] <_dennister> back again...ps2 mouse is now working semi-permanently, but improvement will be lost when new kernel is downloaded in updates
[17:18] <macic> I don't know anything about ps2 mouse issues actually
[17:19] <Manaf> macic: Thats the problem.. I do NOT want to be able to acess them.. But i CAN
[17:19] <macic> aaa
[17:19] <macic> I can give it a test
[17:19] <macic> gimmie sec
[17:19] <PhilRod> Manaf: you want to read up on unix permissions and umask
[17:19] <PhilRod> google should help you there
[17:20] <macic> that's a strange issue
[17:20] <macic> i can access them too
[17:20] <_dennister> not going to worry about the clock for now, either, as long as it doesn't go skewy in kubuntu...will install ntp anyway
[17:20] <macic> and im not root now
[17:20] <_dennister> genii: r u busy?
[17:20] <macic> ok
[17:20] <PhilRod> !permissions
[17:20] <Manaf> hmm.. It is very strange that it is the default setting
[17:20] <PhilRod> Manaf: not at all - perfectly normal
[17:20] <macic> ok
[17:21] <macic> im off to home
[17:21] <macic> cya
[17:21] <PhilRod> Manaf: anyway, take a look at the link kindly provided by the bot
[17:22] <Manaf> PhilRod: Then why do we want passwords  to our accounts at all? If anybody can access them anyhow? I will look into that link
[17:27] <PhilRod> Manaf: no one else can *change* them. And it's easy enough to alter the permissions so that no one else can view the files, if you really want
[17:27] <Manaf> PhilRod: Thanks.. I found out myself. The link i was given was a bit complicated.
[17:29] <PhilRod> ah, really? /me takes a look
[17:29] <PhilRod> the ubuntu docs are usually good
[17:30] <Manaf> yes they are,, When they tell you what to do in the GUI :-) I mean all i had do was to right-click mouse and change permissions from there
[17:30] <PhilRod> yup :-)
[17:30] <PhilRod> but it's still worth understanding permissions, since you'll probably need to know about them in more detail at some point :-)
[17:32] <Manaf> PhilRod: At some point yes.. But im still new to this whole linux thing so am taking one step at a time..
[17:32] <PhilRod> fair enough :-)
[17:33] <Manaf> One last question. When i enter console login at the X server login screen. How do i quit from there? If i just enter "quit" it restarts my computer!
[17:34] <rikard> Stupid question: How do I make my defualt browser Mozilla? I don't want Konqueror coming up when I click links.
[17:35] <genii> _dennister: I just got back now from a meeting, 20 minutes or so left for luch-eating
[17:35] <genii> *lunch
[17:38] <trojkolka> why is the kdepim-kde4 being held back?
[17:38] <genii> rikard: System Settings...Default Applications...Web Browser...click of "In the following browser" and then write in the box there: firefox %u         and then hit Apply button lower right
[17:40] <_dennister> genii: ok, won't take long, can u ping me in private channel? it's offtopic and I'm not using reg nick
[17:41] <vijish> hey
[17:41] <vijish> ?
[17:46]  * genii sips a coffee
[17:46] <genii> _dennister: Getting anywhere with the ps2 mouse issue?
[17:48] <Vermux> why when Im starting konsole, there are two windows that open up, one of them displays: "kdecore (kprocess): warning: _attachPty() 11"  ?
[17:49] <genii> Vermux: You made more virtual terminals than the standard at some point?
[17:50] <_dennister> genii: got it working semi-permanently by editing kernel options in grub, but improvement will be lost when new kernel gets downloaded
[17:50] <Vermux> genii: I dont think so, what is the standard?
[17:50] <genii> Vermux: Seven
[17:50] <Vermux> genii: no, I dont think I opened more than 7
[17:51] <_dennister> right now I'd like to concentrate on the speech synthesizers, as the main user for this system is totally blind
[17:51] <genii> Vermux: VNC-ing in?
[17:51] <genii> !info festvox
[17:51] <genii> bah
[17:51] <Vermux> !vnc
[17:51] <genii> !info festival
[17:52] <_dennister> the bot's wrong! festvox does exist in hardy
[17:52] <Vermux> genii: if I have it installed? I dont remember
[17:52] <_dennister> i've already been using them...they're the talkers for kttsmgr and other synethesizers
[17:53] <genii> _dennister: Yes, it does but the festvox packages all have some added portion to te packagename like festvox-kallpc8k (American English male speaker for festival, 8khz sample rate)           etc
[17:53] <_dennister> oh, shoot...ur right...perhaps the main festvox was removed, leaving the talkers available
[17:54] <genii> _dennister: fesvox = festival voices
[17:54] <_dennister> I have been sampling orca and the festival talkers, but quite frankly, i'm not impressed so far
[17:55] <_dennister> the blind user is used to jaws for winblows, and while the talker for it isn't that greate either...
[17:57] <sebastian_> how do i install kde 4.1 i have ubuntu
[17:57] <_dennister> anyway, now that I've added his girlfriend, the sighted second user, I'm now going to go into console to semi-see how he'll experience the synethesizers with console apps he knows (lynx, irssi...)
[17:57] <_dennister> cya later folks
[17:58] <genii> _dennister: Perhaps some useful apps for blind user: pidgin-festival  screader epos speex
[17:58] <genii> bah
[18:09] <nb72> trying to upgrade to 4.1 based on the kubuntu.org instructions, kdeutils-kde4 is broken, seems to be a known issue.  Found a reference to dpkg --force-overwrite that may fix it, but I'm not sure what to do.  May be a problem with kdf-kde4 package.  Anybody know about this?
[18:10] <CalZing> there is one thing wrong in the KDE4.1-announcement. Just read it... "To update to the release candidate...."
[18:10] <CalZing> just wanted to tell. Guess I'm not the first to do that
[18:16] <nb72> Ok, so are the instructions wrong, or is it just a copy paste problem between the RC instructions and the final instructions
[18:17] <CalZing> just a copy-paste problem
[18:17] <WebCode> 	Hello. I have a problem with KDE 4.1 (Kubuntu 8.04.1). Maybe those who suggest the problem?
[18:17] <nb72> I still can't get the kdf-kde4 package to install correctly
[18:17] <genii> #kubuntu-kde4 please for kde4 issues
[18:18] <nb72> OK, thanks.  Will do.
[18:18] <WebCode> Thanks
[18:18] <WebCode> :-D
[18:18] <WebCode> Пендостанцы
[18:24] <dynoll3> HI SOMEONE KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE CINFIG IN COMPIZFUSION?
[18:24] <dynoll3> sorry for caps
[18:25] <dynoll3> config*
[18:25] <jisaitua_> Hello. I have a problem when launching .desktop files using ALT+F2. I posted a BUG in launchpad...but didn't get any answer, so maybe someone can help me here, please?
[18:26] <sebastian_> how do i install kde 4.1?
[18:26] <jisaitua_> the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/252571
[18:27] <engineer> sebastian_ sudo aptitude install kdebase-workspace
[18:27] <genii> engineer: You keep encouraging the kde4 questions ;)
[18:27] <engineer> well, it's a simple answer
[18:27] <engineer> that can be done in 1 line
[18:27] <genii> hehe
[18:30] <jisaitua_> genii - engineer: hi guys, can you please help me with my problem? Or do you know where to ask?
[18:30] <engineer> stop highlighting
[18:30] <engineer> if we know the solution
[18:30] <engineer> we'll reply
[18:30] <sebastian_> thx
[18:30] <jisaitua_> ok, thanks
[18:31] <Doctor_Nick> Hey, on stock ubuntu 8.04, can i just install the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package to get kde 4.1 or do i have to muck about
[18:32] <gio> ciao
[18:32] <sanjaya> Hi
[18:32] <gio> !list
[18:32] <genii> jisaitua_: Perhaps the name of "myapp" also does appear in the other path as well
[18:33] <jisaitua_> the strange thing is, that the problem appears when launching myapp via a .desktop file
[18:33] <Doctor_Nick> ?
[18:33] <dynoll3> i have a problem with compizfusion
[18:34] <dynoll3> on ubuntu
[18:34] <Doctor_Nick> anyone here give it a shot?
[18:34] <Doctor_Nick> kde 4.1?
[18:34] <jisaitua_> so it seems that .desktop files doesn't honor the PATH variable or something like that
[18:34] <genii> jisaitua_: Is the .desktop file you made marked as executable?
[18:34] <sebastian_> im trying
[18:34] <sebastian_> but i can
[18:34] <jisaitua_> genii: hhm, good question...let me see
[18:34] <sebastian_> but i can't install it
[18:35] <genii> jisaitua_: nvm, none of them there seem to be, just was my first thought
[18:35] <jisaitua_> genii: nop
[18:35] <leftbas> having lots of trouble with a corrupt gpg key trying to isntall kde 4.2
[18:35] <jisaitua_> genii: it's not
[18:35] <leftbas> sorry, 4.1
[18:35] <leftbas> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key
[18:35] <sebastian_> im trying to install kde 4.1 and i tryed sudo aptitude install kdebase-workspace but it dont work
[18:35] <leftbas> how do i fix it?
[18:36] <jisaitua_> genii: the problem is that launching myapp using ALT+F2 uses the PATH variable
[18:36] <genii> jisaitua_: This on kde3 or kde4 ?
[18:36] <jisaitua_> genii: kde 3.5.9
[18:36] <engineer> sebastian_ http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1
[18:37] <engineer> follow the instructions
[18:37] <leftbas> sorry, be back later...work calls again
[18:40] <genii> jisaitua_: My suspicion is: When .desktop declares type as application and then just appname for executable without full path then it looks in order for that. eg: bin then usr/bin     and so on so that first match would win
[18:40] <sebastian_> engineer: i dont understand those instructions :P
[18:40] <engineer> sebastian_ what part don't you understand
[18:41] <sebastian_> part 1
[18:41] <genii> jisaitua_: Try full path for execname
[18:41] <jisaitua_> genii: so you think is not using the definition of the PATH variable?
[18:41] <jisaitua_> genii: that's what I'm trying to avoid :-(
[18:41] <engineer> sebastian_ sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:41] <engineer> add add that source line
[18:42] <sebastian_> at the end?
[18:42] <sebastian_> engineer: how do i save it ?
[18:43] <genii> jisaitua_: If there exists /bin/myapp or /usr/bin/myapp or so and it's not a crucial system binary maybe rename it temporarily and see if alt-f2 shows correct path
[18:43] <engineer> ctrl+x
[18:43] <engineer> doesn't matter
[18:43] <sebastian_> ok thx
[18:43] <engineer> as long as in that line there's nothing else but that line
[18:44] <jisaitua_> genii: are you suggesting to run myapp-entry.desktop and removing /usr/bin/myapp to see if it runs /opt/bin/myapp?
[18:45] <sebastian_> engineer: thx :)
[18:45] <genii> jisaitua_: Not remove but rename so that it can be safely reinstated. To see if the results differ when this is done
[18:45] <jisaitua_> genii: Ok, let's see
[18:45] <vbgunz> how do I find out my version of kubuntu?
[18:46] <icelab> hi
[18:46] <jisaitua_> genii: yes, it runs /opt/bin/myapp
[18:46] <engineer> vbgunz open konqeuror, help about
[18:46] <genii> jisaitua_: And reprts correct path in this case now?
[18:47] <icelab> Everybody knos how install lexmark 1000?
[18:47] <Eruaran> lexmark ?
[18:47] <Eruaran> kill it
[18:47] <Eruaran> burn it
[18:47] <engineer> oh my good
[18:47] <Eruaran> :P
[18:47] <engineer> crappy printer
[18:47] <Eruaran> drop it from a rooftop
[18:47] <icelab> ok i have got it
[18:47] <vbgunz> engineer: that only tells me konqueror and kde versions
[18:47] <jisaitua_> genii: the problem is, that the PATH variable has /opt/bin as it's first directory, but the .desktop is not taking that into account
[18:48] <vbgunz> I cannot believe I am currently on a stable version of kubuntu as I am seeing updates every single day
[18:48] <jisaitua_> genii: so, moving /usr/bin/myapp, uses /opt/bin/myapp as expected
[18:48] <sebastian_> when i try to install kde 4 i get this message
[18:48] <sebastian_> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:48] <sebastian_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:48] <sebastian_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:48] <engineer> sebastian_ close adept or synaptic
[18:49] <sebastian_> i tryed to login and out nothing works and i dont have adept or synaptic on
[18:49] <icelab> really nothing to do??
[18:49] <Pici> !aptfix | sebastian_
[18:49] <Eruaran> hey does anyone know whats happening with Intrepid as far as a graphical package manager goes ?
[18:49] <engineer> vbgunz uname -a
[18:49] <Eruaran> I heard Adept was being replaced
[18:49] <sebastian_> thx
[18:49] <vbgunz> 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 23:41:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:50] <sebastian_> engineer: i cant install kde 4
[18:50] <engineer> i only use synaptic
[18:50] <engineer> not adept
[18:50] <sebastian_> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/dists/hardy/your/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[18:50] <sebastian_> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/dists/hardy//etc/apt/sources.list./binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[18:50] <sebastian_> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:50] <vbgunz> anyone use wingide? anyone know of a good theme for it that doesn't look broken? am trying to match my colorscheme ... gtk ok but side tabs look borked :/
[18:50] <engineer> sebastian_ you added this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[18:50] <engineer> right?
[18:51] <sebastian_> only the blue and deb i think
[18:51] <sebastian_> wait
[18:51] <Doctor_Nick> see
[18:51] <Doctor_Nick> if someone had told me this earlier
[18:51] <Doctor_Nick> i wouldnt have instlaled kde 4.0.3
[18:51] <jisaitua_> genii: do you have the same behavior in your system?
[18:51] <sebastian_> hehe i added this one before deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[18:52] <jisaitua_> genii: I don't think so, but, maybe it's my installation?
[18:52] <engineer> sebastian_ you n00b
[18:52] <sebastian_> haha i know
[18:52] <sebastian_> now i got this: E: Broken packages
[18:53] <genii> jisaitua_: apologies on lag, work required me
[18:53] <engineer> sudo aptitude update
[18:53] <sebastian_> same thing
[18:53] <jisaitua_> genii: no, no problem! BTW: thank you for your time
[18:53] <genii> jisaitua_: Is the /opt/bin/myapp    marked as executable?
[18:54] <jisaitua_> genii: yes, and /usr/bin/myapp too
[18:54] <sebastian_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:54] <sebastian_>   kubuntu-kde4-desktop: Depends: ark-kde4 but it is not going to be installed
[18:54] <sebastian_> and a lot more packages
[18:55] <jisaitua_> genii: when running myapp (alone) using ALT+F2 it runs /opt/bin/myapp...the main problem is whe myapp is called from a .desktop file
[18:55] <genii> jisaitua_: I would recommend to use unique name for /opt/bin/myapp   which does not exist in system folder /usr/bin
[18:55] <jisaitua_> genii: the problem is, that myapp IS in /usr/bin and in /opt/bin I have wrappers to /usr/bin..so sadly, I can't do that
[18:56] <sebastian_> :(
[18:56] <engineer> sebastian_ uninstall your current kde4 packages
[18:56] <sebastian_> i dont have any
[18:57] <TimS> !video-editing
[18:57] <jisaitua_> genii: from what I see, the application that launches the "Exec" part of the desktop files, is not using the PATH variable
[18:58] <jisaitua_> genii: sorry, I mean: it IS using the PATH variable, but it always prepends /usr/bin
[18:58] <jisaitua_> genii: that's why it has run /opt/bin/myapp when I renamed /usr/bin/myapp to something else