[02:39] <tgBot1> yin cong was added by: yin cong
 how to install libreoffice on UT
 @KingJamez, 1. In a container (can b ut does not have to be libertine) … 2. Resize rootfs and install it directly … 3. Install direclty without resizing rootfs, but have to manually make some symlinks so that installation data ends up in the userspace
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[05:04] <tgBot1> <shen feng> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/L0sIfO5v/file_3982
 (Voice, 5s)https://irc.ubports.com/ZCbnpB2Y/file_3983
[06:49] <tgBot1> mjmeodmt was added by: mjmeodmt
 Good morning
 QQ about trying UT on Xiaomi MI4 ? or where can I poke for more details...
[06:56] <tgBot1> Azorvida was added by: Azorvida
 @mjmeodmt, good morning. i don't think that device is currently supported. check for supported devices on https://devices.ubports.com/#/   … if you are a seasoned developer, you may want to try porting the next version of Ubuntu Touch to your device
 Welcome newcomers! … @SilvoneyMachado yin @mjmeodmt @Azorvida  … Welcome to the party!🎉 … Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for some useful informations
 @YougoChats Right I saw that thanks :) Also checked the rest of the list. Uhm the meuzu specs/hardware are very similar apart from the cpu. But anyways were can I find the source then?
 Thanks for the welcome :) @TronFortyTwo
 @KingJamez, Check this guide: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @mjmeodmt, :)
 @mjmeodmt, look here for porting to new devices: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Thanks
 and  here for getting involved in general: https://ubports.com/community/ready-to-join-us
 @YougoChats Thanks for the infos and invite. Will check it out.
 @mjmeodmt, when you've read up on things, perhaps it's also good to join the Halium thread where all the porting devs share notes https://t.me/halium
 there is not a bitcoin app in the openstore :(
 @peternerlich, Thanks for they introduction, I read the faq but couldn't find if there are any specific communiction channels aimed at developers such as another telegram group or irc or similar
 @Corne, Yeah, we have a bit of a problem regarding that and communication in general at the moment. Until now there has been a "core team" of four developers who rather don't want to get pinged by everyone all the time, and groups in that direction got overrun with people who wanted to learn being a developer and people just wanting to peek in, so productivity quickly went towards zero. Now the community grew so large that we are in dire need
[10:24] <tgBot1> developers, but the problem with teaching them and separating from bystanders still remains. … We recently made advances like creating some documentation and working on plans how to better shape the infrastructure of our community, but it might still take a while to get going.
 @peternerlich, I understand, I found the documentation you are referring to (the one using ReadTheDocs) haven't read through it all yet looks promising.
 @Corne, But I think it's still very much work in progress, too. And that Canonical also didn't have full perfect documentation on their code (obviously) still requires us to even understand some parts. But as far as I heard, we might be closer to having at least this mapped out
 But yeah, I guess the advice I can give is to be patient, try to find whether you can help somewhere already and not to give up when you're rejected or something. Every now and then, try to poke us UBFR about that and we'll hopefully see something useful emerge to take care of new devs
 @Christopher, this i did not know...  wasnt there one in the Ol' Store?
 @peternerlich, yes except that there are many more than 4 'core' developers since its a community project.  there are some of the original community founders who are still getting pinged a lot because there were not others around to support so much
 @wayneoutthere, But you don't really hear a lot of others, do you?
 now we have a big community and a quickly growing list of focus groups.  as peter said we are working hard to improve community and communications
 @peternerlich, this is a deeper problem in tech culture
 joe and i are discussing this in the audiocast soon
 there are a lot of skilled developers in particular who code like 'ninjas' becaus perhaps they havent worked in an organized open group before
 a lot of them view open as 'do whatever hacking you want' which is fine in some context but in ours we are trying to excel to excellence with as quickly as possible
 and so, in short i thinkk we are breaking ground here like pioneers
 patience, understanding, and flexibility are a must... something i often lack
[11:22] <tgBot1> dirmanhero was added by: dirmanhero
 @dirmanhero, Hello Dragos. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 thanks a lot :D I got a Nexus 5 due to be repaired soon and I'll try ub touch on it
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[11:30] <tgBot1> himaanshu24 was added by: himaanshu24
 @himaanshu24, Welcome
 @technicalbird, Thanks Vijay. Looking forward to awesome journey of Ubuntu Touch OS
 kiya he ns
 can some one confirm if I can flash my Le Max 2 phone with ubuntu touch
 https://www.gsmarena.com/leeco_le_max_2-8051.php
 No you cant :)
 can you bring it to Halium to get started
 on model, bootloader is it unlocked?
 https://t.me/halium
 @Sconio, You probably have to try it yourself if you are the only one currently interested. https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @peternerlich, the guide you linked is outdated and deprecated
 please refer to halium docs instead
 @vanyasem, oops. should be updated then
 well it was updated, but it still start with the link to halium docs
 better give a direct link to halium
 I kinda missed when it was updated and thought its still old
 eh
 Not being a dev I have no idea what this means for UT, but I thought someone else might know. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/tdlib-build-unofficial-telegram-apps
 uhh nice .. an official upport telegram lib ... sound like a looot of work to replace the one ubport current uses
 https://telegram.org/blog/tdlib
 nice
 @Flohack did you see this? https://github.com/tdlib/td
 @popescu_sorin, Oh 😆
 @BrisPete, oh2 😂 all thinking about this 😆
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/get-together-fosdem-2018/3767
[13:51] <tgBot1> Viktor Below was added by: Viktor Below
 @DiogoConstantino, got my hotel + train ticket but now i catched the flu ... so no fosdem this year ;(
 😩((
 i hope some ubports people are there to show some unity8 to people to get more dev into it ;)
 ahh btw. i updated the https://github.com/delijati/fosdem-qml for this year
 At least some users will be for sure
 What can I do when adb doesn't find my device anymore
 ?
 Bus 001 Device 092: ID 2a47:2008
 But I can access it with filebrowser as mtp
 Aquaris e5 at host ubuntu 17.10?
 have you turned on developer mode?
 Yes
 Okey restart then turn dev mode off and on  again...
 Anyone here have an idea of the actual GB amount for the halium-5.1 branch?
 Limited as I'm on my ssd (laptop) atm only having 17GB left....
 After a build of 7.1, I'm sitting at 29G.
 You have to account for `out` taking 8G or more.
 Anyone here who did some GnuCash report programming by any chance?
 Or anyone comfortable with scheme in general?
 @peternerlich, now that would be a totally appropriate topic for the OT channel
 but I'm not in there anymore and didn't want to join just for asking someone to pm
[16:19] <tgBot1> ZatenatskiyDenis was added by: ZatenatskiyDenis
 i wasn't specifically suggesting you do; just making a general comment as an aside :)
 Skype now available as a snap for Linux users | Ubuntu Insights … https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/02/01/skype-now-available-as-a-snap-for-linux-users/
[17:00] <rah> how does UBports use telepathy?
[17:00] <rah> audio gets routed in hardware
[17:01] <rah> so I'm wondering how come there's a telepathy-ofono plugin?
 https://github.com/ubports/telepathy-ofono
 Sure is!
[17:06] <rah> UniversalSuperBox: I'm asking why?
 Ah, sorry
 Hi @himaanshu24 and @ZatenatskiyDenis! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the NNewcomers Room!
[17:37] <rah> can anyone say what telepathy-ofono actually does?
 @rah, telepathy is not an audio routing framework. that's what pulseaudio does.
 @rah, SMS at least
 I am now a Patreon
 and i'm pretty sure that call audio also gets routed through pulseaudio
 if there was no software involved in audio routing, why would there ever be "no audio in voice call" type of bugs in ubuntu?
 @ahoneybun, well done Aaron 👍 welcome to the UBports community
 thanks
 supporting 3 things on there now
 @rah, there was also some working going on from Canonical, at the time when Unity/phone got cancelled, to enable SIP calling using telepathy; with plans to integrate other IM services into standard messaging/voice apps
 Great to see you again Aaron!
 Ubports at fosdem???
 I am their on sunday wondering if me and my new oneplus one can come say hi 👋
[19:24] <tgBot1> Christian Helling was added by: Christian Helling
 @Corne, I'm there, however I have no affiliation with Ubports and have no clue what talks I will be seeing yet 😆
 Crazy Ubports 😜
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 UBports hacked my ads 🤪
 @Crash_Burn, I've got a oneplus one right now and i've installed umatrix but how do you make videocalls?
 @Johan_k, do you use the mariogrip test verison?
[20:20] <tgBot1> CuberTuber was added by: CuberTuber
 videocalls work only in that version
 @Michele, Sorry, I've installed the wrong one.
 @Johan_k, np 👍🏻
 Is there a way to make calls with telegram?
 Hi Christian and @CuberTuber! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[20:28] <tgBot1> <Christian Helling> Thank you :)
 @Johan_k, Not yet.
 @KingJamez, Thanks
[21:25] <tgBot1> AloneRacer was added by: AloneRacer
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/6GKr03Ms/file_3995.jpg Çıkan reklama bak canım çekti
 @AloneRacer, Look at this ad
 Nice ad
 Better than phone ads
 Big brother is watching you :D
 @archi_dagac, Omg!
 Xd
 @AloneRacer, switch to duckduck ;)
 @TronFortyTwo, +1
 come in: duckduckgo.com
 Or Searx
 https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances
 @TronFortyTwo, No man. That great ad
 It's free :)
 @AloneRacer, How the heck does that happen? Did @wayneoutthere buy adspace?
 @AloneRacer, superb tagline in that ad...become more....so good.
[21:56] <tgBot1> Gian Luca Repetti was added by: Gian Luca Repetti
 @Johan_k, Remember that you can have both installed at the same time, just as with Dekko and Dekko2
 Hi Gian Luca! I'm part of the UBFR. To get up to speed, please refer to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 Welcome Gian Luca ! wanna join the italin group @ubportsitaliano ?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm always around. Just at a new job with System76 so busy lol.
 @peternerlich, buddy!  finally!  I was hoping for years some cool people would pick this one up.  I really want gnu cash to catch up with the rest of the proprietary versions
 nah, I'm just poking around at the moment
 @Johan_k, it's an easy mistake to make... considering that the non-officlal one is the one that... works best and has all the features :(
 @YougoChats, Wayne did not.


[21:06] <moomo1> it updates to <IP_ADDRESS> before it was <IP_ADDRESS> i think, and i had proprietary nvidia-gfx-new driver
[21:06] <moomo1> when will it come new restricted modules ?
[21:06] <moomo1> its one restricted module in Update Manager, but its "gray" so i acnt install it
[21:06] <thegve> I have just updated everything, I think it is wise to keep my system running until the new restricted modules arive ....
[21:06] <Arwen> when someone from the kernel team realizes they screwed up
[21:06] <moomo1> oh ok
[21:06] <SeveredHead> Hello everyone.
[21:06] <moomo1> my mouse double-clicks instead of single clicks too :(
[21:06] <moomo1> why is this?
[21:06] <SeveredHead> Does anyone happen to know if there are Wine problems in Hardy?
[21:06] <SeveredHead> (Figured I'd jump in here and ask before Googling)
[21:07] <thegve> But a 'normal update' keeps a previous one in the menulst I think?
[21:07] <thegve> SeveredHead: Or look it up in launchpad
[21:07] <thegve> I was having wine problems in Hardy
[21:07] <thegve> but I blamed myself for that
[21:07] <Arwen> wine is currently broken
[21:07] <thegve> I used some scripts I shouldn't use
[21:07] <moomo1> well just cuz it updated kernel, it shouldnt make graphics driver incompatible
[21:08] <moomo1> my wine dont even work in hardy
[21:08] <Arwen> moomo1, it does because part of the driver is in the kernel
[21:08] <Arwen> and that part is proprietary
[21:08] <h3sp4wn> Wine segfaults straight away here (on amd64 anyway)
[21:08] <Arwen> same here
[21:09] <Arwen> the old Gutsy version works, and supposedly manually compiling does too
[21:09] <jianfei> i'll reboot
[21:09] <heret1c> *phew*
[21:09] <SeveredHead> Yeah, there's a segfault bug.
[21:09] <SeveredHead> Bug #191575
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191575 in wine "wine segfaults on winecfg" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191575
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> Is there a workaround that takes 5 mins or less ?
[21:10] <SeveredHead> People say the 0.9.54 Gutsy package works.
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> If there isn't I can wait
[21:10] <Arwen> h3sp4wn, if you haven't ignored me, the old one works and you can manually build .56 from upstream
[21:10] <h3sp4wn> I don't actually need it quite yet
[21:11] <Arwen> so he did ignore me.... his problem then
[21:11] <h3sp4wn> (still not too sure whether I trust works in wine to mean works in windows for my program though)
[21:11] <heret1c> Oooo... serious stuff to apt-get upgrade now...
[21:12] <smallfoot-> thank god i ahve windows xp, since i cant rely on hardy alpha for mission critical objectives such as porno, as it now dont work due to the update
[21:12] <SeveredHead> Hmm...
[21:12] <smallfoot-> how long does it take until they fix the nvidia graphics?
[21:13] <SeveredHead> Whoo, no segfault. ^__^
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> What is wrong with them I just got a new kernel + restricted modules
[21:13] <smallfoot-> also, on kernel.org there is <IP_ADDRESS>, so how can ubuntu have <IP_ADDRESS> ????
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> why not just boot the old kernel for the time being
[21:13] <Assid> smallfoot-: who knows
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> it doesn't
[21:13] <smallfoot-> but it says it does
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> it has 2.6.24-10
[21:13] <smallfoot-> oh ok
[21:14] <smallfoot-> shouldnt it be 2.6.24-ubuntu10 then?
[21:14] <h3sp4wn> the -10 is the ubuntu release number and means nothing under any other context
[21:14] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:14] <h3sp4wn> and its based on 2.6.24 - thats all that matters
[21:14] <smallfoot-> well 2.6.24 is vulnerable to security vulnerabity, it got fixed in <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:14] <smallfoot-> so now im using old unsecure version, this is not acceptable!
[21:15] <Arwen> smallfoot-, the fixes were probably backported
[21:15] <Arwen> instead of the entire kernel
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> There is no security updates for development releases
[21:15] <smallfoot-> oh ok
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> but that should be in anyway by now anyway
[21:15] <smallfoot-> then why should ppl want use development release, if there are no security update, and they can get hacked?
[21:15] <jianfei> still 800*600
[21:15] <Arwen> oh, incidentally, one of the cooler features of 2.6.24 is uvesafb which... doesn't work on Gutsy.
[21:16] <Arwen> smallfoot-, to... test them and well, develop?
[21:16] <smallfoot-> uvesafb?
[21:16] <Arwen> uvesafb is the next-generation vesafb
[21:16] <smallfoot-> Arwen, well i cant test them if its unsecure
[21:16] <smallfoot-> oh cool, what its good for? why its better than vesafb?
[21:16] <h3sp4wn> smallfoot-: Thats not the purpose of it
[21:16] <Arwen> it's better because you can use custom resolutions
[21:16] <smallfoot-> and does anyone really use vesafb when they can use like nv, or nvidia?
[21:16] <Arwen> it makes your tty consoles shinier
[21:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:16] <smallfoot-> i like shiny
[21:17] <oliver_g_> smallfoot-: you can test it locally first
[21:17] <oliver_g_> smallfoot-: no problems with security holes then :-)
[21:17] <smallfoot-> oliver_g_, test what?
[21:17] <smallfoot-> oliver_g_, but then i cant use internet, then i cant test the internet stuffs
[21:18] <smallfoot-> is it reported that 2.6.24-10 kernel update breaks the nvidia graphics on i386?
[21:18] <Arwen> smallfoot-, typically to exploit a kernel flaw, the attacker needs to have local access. Unless its a flaw in tcp/ip of course.
[21:18] <smallfoot-> so they know to fix it?
[21:18] <oliver_g_> smallfoot-: what bug was fixed in <IP_ADDRESS> then?
[21:18] <smallfoot-> oliver_g_, a kernel security bug i read on the internet
[21:18] <Assid> smallfoot-: breaks ?
[21:18] <smallfoot-> assasukasse, well my desktop isnt pretty when i updated to 2.6.24-10 anymore, before i had compiz and bling now its like 1980 computer
[21:19] <smallfoot-> Assid*
[21:19] <jianfei> lol, mine looks like my old 286
[21:19] <assasukasse> smallfoot-: compiz and the other compositors are just memory hogs and resource wasters..CLI is the answer
[21:19] <Oli``> The kernel security hole was a local exploit though wasn't it? So it's only a security risk if somebody (not you) has exploit permissions on your box, which probably would only be the case if you're running a public ssh server... no?
[21:19] <Assid> so compiz is broken again ?
[21:20] <smallfoot-> assasukasse, but CLI isnt pretty, i use compiz, i have a 3d cube, and my windows gets "beamed up" and when i close them, they burn in fire, its cool!
[21:20] <Assid> assasukasse: technology wouldnt move if cli was the answer
[21:20] <assasukasse> actually i think that plain metacity does its work very good
[21:20] <Assid> smallfoot-: exactly same effects on my desktop
[21:21] <smallfoot-> Assid, yeah its so cool :D
[21:21] <assasukasse> i think ppl should concentrate more on drivers and modules
[21:21] <smallfoot-> but not anymore, because 2.6.24-10 broke it, so now it looks junk
[21:21] <smallfoot-> thats why they need to make another update
[21:21] <Arwen> I don't use compiz... it makes everything slow
[21:21] <smallfoot-> or a "System Restore"
[21:22] <Arwen> smallfoot-, you could just reinstall the 2.6.24-8 kernel and use that instead
[21:22] <h3sp4wn> If they did a system restore then me -> Debian
[21:22] <smallfoot-> Arwen, i dont know how
[21:22] <jianfei> me either
[21:23] <h3sp4wn> (Unless they implimented it so well that it was perfect but that would take years of really serious work)
[21:23] <Arwen> smallfoot-, jianfei, it's in the package list - install it and choose it at bootup
[21:23] <napsy_> can I somehow force tracker to index a directory?
[21:23] <smallfoot-> oh
[21:24] <smallfoot-> so i guess that nvidia graphics driver dont work anymore is not a bug
[21:27] <flipstar> damn im afraid now of booting the new kernel :/
[21:28] <heret1c> h'm.
[21:29] <Arwen> fortunately for me, even without the kernel module, fglrx can load with 2d accel
[21:29] <Arwen> yay 4 me
[21:29] <heret1c> flipstar: worked here (qed)
[21:29] <flipstar> with nvidia drivers ?
[21:29] <heret1c> nope.
[21:29] <heret1c> intel
[21:30] <Arwen> heh, Intel
[21:30] <flipstar> whats qed ?
[21:31] <heret1c> which is hereby demonstrated
[21:32] <heret1c> quod erat demonstrandum, afaicr.
[21:32] <flipstar> oh .. okay :)
[21:34] <Arwen> demonstratum, perfect participle
[21:35] <jianfei> back on 2.6.24-8 and 1680*1050 res, thanks
[21:39] <heret1c> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ 8)
[21:40] <Arwen> heret1c, lame
[21:40]  * Arwen thinks there's no contest there. Aero is just plain awesome.
[21:40] <heret1c> even has a happy ending.
[21:41] <flipstar> bad quality ..
[21:41] <heret1c> Arwen:  you'd probably fall asleep if u saw my desktop.
[21:42] <Arwen> hmm?
[21:42]  * DanaG performs an impression of Flash:
[21:42] <DanaG> *segfault*
[21:42] <flipstar> use vlc like i do :P
[21:42] <DanaG> That's what it does more often than anything else.
[21:43] <Arwen> gah, firefox 3 doesn't check RSS feeds automatically
[21:44] <DanaG> Can't use VLC for flash in Firefox, can you?
[21:44] <Arwen> no, you can't
[21:44] <flipstar> no, not in firefox
[21:44]  * Arwen doesn't want his browser showing videos anyway so that's a non-issue
[21:45]  * DanaG uses adblock plus.
[21:45] <flipstar> *uses adblock plus&nocript
[21:46] <DanaG> NoScript is too annoying for me.
[21:46] <flipstar> i just used "clive --player="/usr/bin/vlc %i --fullscreen" --play=src <url>"
[21:46] <flipstar> didnt even had to open firefox
[21:47] <Arwen> which would be a good thing since firefox is broken, but..
[21:48] <heret1c> Arwen> screenshot.
[21:48] <Arwen> of?
[21:48] <flipstar> ..here it works also in firefox..
[21:49] <heret1c> Arwen> erk. i'm not registered.
[21:50] <heret1c> Arwen> desktop.
[21:51] <Arwen> bug 182038
[21:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xulrunner-1.9 "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[22:04] <heret1c> slow night.
[22:04] <dencrypt> yeah
[22:04] <Arwen> mm hmm
[22:04]  * heret1c amuses himself by youtubing +reptilian +reporter
[22:05] <dencrypt> I just took a break from my wiki-work. Might get to bed soon.
[22:05]  * Arwen patiently waits for linux-restricted-modules
[22:06] <heret1c>  -generic
[22:06]  * Arwen impatiently waits for firefox-3.0-dev
[22:06] <heret1c> hitting apt-get update every minute, eh? 9=
[22:09] <Kuni> gah
[22:10] <Kuni> the update to linux headers .10 killed my graphics! It doesn't recognize the card anymore
[22:10] <Arwen> Kuni, NVIDIA/ATI? i386?
[22:10] <Kuni> nvidia i386, yes
[22:11] <Arwen> yep, restricted modules aren't out yet...
[22:11] <Kuni> gah
[22:11] <heret1c> held back
[22:11] <Kuni> well be back in a bit then.
[22:11] <Assid> Kuni: so no compiz ?
[22:11] <Kuni> yeah, no compiz
[22:12] <Assid> your atleast able to use metacity right?
[22:12] <Kuni> I did manage to get my resolution back to 1920x1200 though
[22:12] <Kuni> yes
[22:12] <Assid> xorg got overwritten ?
[22:12] <Kuni> but my screenlets are really starting to tick me off. :)
[22:12] <Kuni> dunno, but it wasn't reading right, so I reconfigured it
[22:13] <Kuni> well, I'll be back shortly
[22:13] <dutchpot> you're luckier than me, I'm stuck in 800x600 right now ;-)
[22:13] <dutchpot> ...what's up with my name
[22:13] <Arwen> Funny, my setup still works
[22:13] <Arwen> yay 4 separate 2d and 3d acceleration
[22:15] <bardyr> does anybody have any experience with preload?
[22:16] <ppvanzella> Hi! I got a bit of a problem here: Todays update broke python
[22:17] <ppvanzella> so now Miro doesn't rum
[22:17] <ppvanzella> run
[22:20] <crimsun_> ppvanzella: more specifically?
[22:21] <ppvanzella> crimsun_: well, when I run miro (which wasn't updated, and was running fine so far, it returns ImportError: No module named _bsddb
[22:21] <ppvanzella> which I found to be a python problem
[22:21] <Kuni> gah
[22:22] <Kuni> any news on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic's release?
[22:22] <Arwen> nope
[22:22] <FrankQ> should find the bug link, probably
[22:22] <lime4x4> anyone else having trouble coping a large file to another network share? I always get connection timed out issues when coping big file from hardy to gusty
[22:23] <Kuni> I almost feel like booting into vista...
[22:23] <crimsun_> Kuni:
[22:23] <crimsun_>  <IP_ADDRESS>-10.27
[22:23] <crimsun_> Published in hardy-release 18 minutes ago
[22:23] <FrankQ> same here, first time in ages I've had the thought o booting into something else ;-)
[22:23] <FrankQ> Though honestly, Ubuntu is actually amazingly usable on low resolutions compared to windows.
[22:23] <jianfei> crimsun: does it fix the nvidia issue?
[22:24] <RoC_MasterMind> what issue?
[22:24] <lime4x4> i just installed the nvidia drivers 169.09 from nvidias website
[22:24] <crimsun_> jianfei: no idea; I don't use l-r-m.
[22:25] <thompa> need help. I can load the modules acer-acpi and ath_pci but no wireless coming up
[22:25] <Arwen> someone forgot to make kde depend on python2.5-dev....
[22:25] <ppvanzella> Arwen: someone forgot to do a lot with python it seems ><
[22:26] <thompa> i heard that acer-acpi has been backported for 2.6.24
[22:26] <thompa> backported as wmi-acer?
[22:26] <so1> hi
[22:26] <Kuni> crimsun_: I've checked released and proposed, can't get it in either place
[22:26]  * DanaG hates iwl3945 -- lately it's formed the habit of breaking after suspend and resume.
[22:26] <Arwen> crimsun_, it's not out
[22:27] <crimsun_> Kuni: because it was just uploaded recently.
[22:27] <Kuni> ah
[22:27] <DanaG> .... and if I try to modprobe -r the module, modprobe simply hangs.
[22:27] <so1> mhhh iwl3945 doesn't work here, too
[22:27] <DanaG> So much for Intel being "Better for Linux".
[22:27] <crimsun_> DanaG: even with today's l-u-m?
[22:27]  * Arwen hates fglrx - it's broken
[22:27] <Arwen> And ATI has no intention of fixing it
[22:27] <so1> i can activate/deactivate it, but it doesn't show any wireless aps anymore ...
[22:28] <DanaG> It only breaks if I have the hotkey turned OFF at suspend.
[22:28] <thompa> i can apparently load modules but they do nothing
[22:28] <so1> i have a wired and a wireless nic, but networkmanager shows eth0, eth1 and wlan0_rename ---
[22:28] <thompa> glad im not alone here
[22:28] <Arwen> why are you glad other people have problems? o.O
[22:29] <Arwen> misery loves company?
[22:29] <thompa> no
[22:29] <FrankQ> means it's not just him
[22:29] <Arwen> oh yeah, shell completion with mplayer is broken. Can't complete pathnames with spaces
[22:30] <thompa> means there is a discussion going
[22:30] <ppvanzella> Arwen: it's exactly the same on Fedora 8
[22:30] <Arwen> oh yeah, is the "lzma" tool compatible with 7-zip?
[22:31] <ppvanzella> Arwen: so I guess it's a problem with mplayer, not with the packaged version
[22:31] <thompa> i wish i kept the earlier kernels to test, can i get them back?
[22:31] <Arwen> thompa, apt-get install :-P
[22:31] <DanaG> Fix for odd names: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.
[22:31] <FrankQ> "apt-get install :-P". Never heard of that before!!
[22:32] <DanaG> It reeeeally needs to generate rules for wmaster interfaces, too.
[22:32] <DanaG> !aptitude
[22:32] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[22:33] <thompa> FrankQ: i need 2.6.24-4 i think.. only -8 is there
[22:33] <DanaG> dmesg | grep "wme:wme_qdiscop_enqueue ht_queue=4,queue=2 pool=0xF qdisc=f76ae280" | wc -l
[22:33] <DanaG> 1541
[22:33] <thompa> acer acpi stopped working after 2.6.24-4
[22:34] <FrankQ> thompa: Sorry, my joke misfired.
[22:34] <thompa> well now it has
[22:35] <Kuni> FrankQ: with :-P you really want to use aptitude to make sure you can remove the dependencies when you get rid of it.
[22:36] <RAOF> DanaG: Is that with 2.6.24-10?  It's meant to be fixed there.
[22:37] <DanaG> I'm on .8, actually.
[22:37] <FrankQ> Kuni: True. Then again, nobody in his/her right mind would wish to get rid of :-P
[22:37] <DanaG> I like to see complete changelogs before I install things.
[22:38] <thompa> im going to reinstall, is -10 in daily build already?
[22:38] <Kuni> FrankQ: I did. I much prefer :þ
[22:38] <h3sp4wn> Don't reinstall just install the old kernel from a live cd
[22:39] <thompa> good idea
[22:39] <FrankQ> Kuni: If you prefer to use propetiary smileys, that's your call, I guess.
[22:40] <lime4x4> is hardy limiting network connection file transfer to 1.4 megs per sec?
[22:41] <bardyr> lime4x4, nope?
[22:42] <crimsun_> DanaG: I think you just need a new pin config block
[22:42] <crimsun_> s#just##
[22:42] <Kuni> oh why does it take so long to show up?
[22:42] <lime4x4> on my local network i can only tranfer files at 1.4 megs per sec and my local network is hardwired to a 10/100/1000 switch
[22:42] <DanaG> Sorry, I had an X crash when switching compositing on Metacity on.
[22:43] <crimsun_> I just got my hands on a new model, so I can do some limited testing in the evenings
[22:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the last thing I saw was "is hardy limiting network connection file transfer to 1.4 megs per sec?"
[22:43] <FrankQ> then you didn't miss any lines
[22:43] <DanaG> That reminds me: I can only connect at 24 or 36 megabits in Linux; in Windows, I can get 54.
[22:44] <rsk> probably driver limitation
[22:44] <rsk> or missconfiguration
[22:44] <DanaG> Oh, and the formal bug number for my STAC codec bug is this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/111145
[22:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[22:44] <DanaG> New model of audio codec?
[22:45] <DanaG> Or laptop.
[22:45] <oliver_g_> btw. what would you recommend to measure raw TCP throughput between two machines?
[22:45] <crimsun_> DanaG: new hardware.
[22:45] <crimsun_> not codec AFAIK, but I haven't had enough time to peer at hwdep
[22:45] <DanaG> Aah, a new PC, then.  ?
[22:45] <crimsun_> a new machine to me; a friend's doing a huge favour for me
[22:45] <DanaG> Cool.
[22:46] <crimsun_> granted I have to vpn+ssh to it, but whatever :)
[22:47] <FransQ> I can confirm that metacity compositing crash :$
[22:48] <DanaG> It works fine on next login, though.  It's only on initially flipping the gconf setting, I believe.
[22:48] <FransQ> didn't retain the setting, here
[22:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have a doctor's appointment of some sort to go to, so I'll be away until evening.
[22:48] <DanaG> It kept the setting, for me.
[22:49]  * credible wonders why on earth people would want to use metacity's compositor ...
[22:49] <DanaG> But it started without Metacity; I had to launch it manually.
[22:49] <DanaG> The alt-tab thing is fugly.
[22:49] <Kuni> remind me to say no to partial upgrades in the future...
[22:49] <DanaG> '/me puts laptop in sleep.
[22:50] <h3sp4wn> credible: I wonder the same thing about compiz
[22:50] <FransQ> increased productivity.
[22:50] <credible> compiz may have problems, but at least it isn't xcompmgr crammed into metacity
[22:51] <Kuni> h3spw4n: it's pretty, and makes converting people from windows incredibly easy.
[22:51] <FransQ> on the composited solutions' window switcher things it's easier to find windows. Also, I personally find depth (shadows) to help focus on certain places.
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> Kuni: Are people that shallow ?
[22:53] <Kuni> h3spw4n: Yes? Of course?
[22:53] <FransQ> Is it shallowness? Everyone likes beauty.
[22:53] <Kuni> h3sp4wn: you must understand. I'm at a university in the USA. EVERYONE is that shallow. ;)
[22:54] <FransQ> and like I think Steve Jobs said, beauty makes systems more usable.
[22:54] <hydrogen> err
[22:54] <hydrogen> I completely disagree with that
[22:55] <hydrogen> usable beauty makes systems more usable
[22:55] <Kuni> Depends on whether functionality is sacrificed for beauty.
[22:55] <hydrogen> extreme iCandy makes systems more shit
[22:55] <hydrogen> that is all
[22:55] <FransQ> sure. overblown things make things worse.
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> I haven't found a functional gui yet
[22:55] <RAOF> credible: Because they run nouveau, and have fast XRender but no 3d :P
[22:55] <Kuni> because beauty makes working easier on the eye, but it can also make the computer run worse.
[22:55] <credible> RAOF: hehehe
[22:55] <heret1c> anyone use RISC OS?
[22:55] <Kuni> h3sp4wn: CLI is win, that is true.
[22:55] <Kuni> Epic win, even.
[22:56] <FransQ> but I don't consider Compiz overblown if you just... don't enable certain plugins
[22:56] <Arwen> Compiz can be pretty elegant with the right options... doesn't mean it isn't still slow, but...
[22:57] <Arwen> oh yeah, and the cube needs more anti-aliasing :-P
[22:57] <Kuni> h3sp4wn: Although it gets annoying when you can't run a fullscreen terminal at your native resolution because the framebuffer doesn't come close to supporting 1920x1200 for some reason...
[22:57] <credible> compiz isn't slow at all, certain video drivers are slow at GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[22:57] <Kuni> Arwen: amen on the AA part.
[22:58] <Arwen> credible, it is slow
[22:58] <Arwen> because the desktop is faster without it
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> credible: This nvidia quadro should not be one of them
[22:58] <FransQ> I don't notice any substantial slowness, but I do notice that certain features allow you to get things done so much faster that the slight slowdown is worth it.
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> And it works flawlessly otherwise
[22:58] <credible> h3sp4wn: nvidia's driver is number one on that list
[22:59] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: That's what --loose-binding is for; to work around one of nvidia's bottlenecks.
[22:59] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Is there a sane way to set that in a config file somewhere ?
[23:00] <credible> it's automatically set by ubuntu's compiz startup script
[23:00] <h3sp4wn> Well I was using that could it be my pciid is not in the table ?
[23:01] <credible> it checks by driver, not by card
[23:01] <RAOF> credible: Oh, do we really use loose binding by default?
[23:02] <credible> RAOF: to the detriment of nvidia users who need --indirect-rendering :/
[23:02] <credible> (at least on gutsy; I hope hardy's compiz-manager has been updated by now)
[23:04] <FransQ> I think at the starting of Hardy i had to manually switch to --indirect-rendering but that seems to be gone now.
[23:07] <GortiZ> hi to all
[23:07] <crimsun_> ok, one more test case to pass, then I can push and upload.
[23:07] <GortiZ> someone could help me with mesa drivers? I want to know if there are some options to make a powersave under mesa drivers... I used catalyst drivers and they have 3 power configurations: battery saving, balanced and performance.. there's something like that with mesa drivers?
[23:09] <h3sp4wn> there is a driconf
[23:09] <lime4x4> anyone having issues with bluetooth devices being disconnected after the screen saver has been running ?
[23:10] <h3sp4wn> But I dunno how much use it will be to you (its very little use to me as I don't know what most of the settings mean)
[23:10] <h3sp4wn> and I don't want to use trial and error
[23:10] <CarlFK> how can I tell if this patch is applied<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:11] <h3sp4wn> Look in the source see if the blocks in question are the same
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> If they are sort of the same then it becomes more compilicated
[23:13] <CarlFK> apt-get source linux-image-generic ?
[23:13] <Arwen> CarlFK, that'll get you linux-meta. Try with apt-get source linux-image-version
[23:14] <crimsun_> CarlFK: it has not been applied to ubuntu-hardy.git.
[23:14] <CarlFK> crimsun_: thanks.
[23:14] <CarlFK> now to see about applying it...
[23:15] <crimsun_> CarlFK: line 317, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/host/ehci-q.c;h=b10f39c047e944848f3ac2aa4067e820d2f5df90;hb=HEAD
[23:15] <ionstorm> anyone know an eta on the restricted modules issue
[23:15] <crimsun_> CarlFK: you may wish to inquire in #ubuntu-kernel
[23:15] <CarlFK> man, there is a #u-channel for evertyng :)
[23:15] <crimsun_> CarlFK: although I might add that since it is targeted to 2.6.25, hardy will pick it up automatically.
[23:16] <CarlFK> crimsun_: how soon?
[23:16] <macogw> hey anyone else notice that when running on battery power on the live cd, it shows the "on ac power" icon?
[23:16] <macogw> im playing with alpha 5
[23:16] <crimsun_> macogw: yes, known issue.
[23:16] <macogw> the installer has failed twice now
[23:16] <macogw> ok
[23:16] <macogw> how about the tooltip on the "simple ubuntu" bg being "elephant" while the tooltip on the elephant bg is "simple ubuntu"?
[23:17] <crimsun_> macogw: also, today's new (well, Ted's ppa version) g-p-m does not resolve the battery/AC<->icon issue.
[23:17] <macogw> ok
[23:17] <crimsun_> macogw: no idea about the latter.
[23:18] <macogw> how about the installer inside the live environment going to a blank little box http://colbyframeco.com/~maco/nix/end_of_installer.png after you answer questions instead of a progress bar?  it only happened while using the live environment.  didnt happen when i chose the "install ubuntu" option (the second one) on the disk menu
[23:19] <macogw> those were the 3 things i noticed right away
[23:19] <macogw> i havent gotten it installed yet to find post-install bugs :P
[23:23] <Kuni> oh thank God, it's here
[23:23] <Kuni> be back i a bit
[23:23] <Kuni> *in
[23:23] <ionstorm> any1 know when the restricted modules pack will be fixed for -10
[23:24] <Arwen> Ubuntu has new wallpapers now?
[23:24] <Arwen> ionstorm, before Duke Nukem Forever is released
[23:24] <ionstorm> word
[23:24] <ionstorm> duke newkem rox
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> Did they release it ? (I have been waiting for that game for 10 years now)
[23:25] <FransQ> Arwen: They have the fela kuti newspaper
[23:26] <h3sp4wn> (meaning duke nukem forever)
[23:26] <ionstorm> http://www.3drealms.com/duke4/
[23:26] <macogw> wow the "installing system" window that is a useless blank little box won't die.  it keeps coming back all Thriller-style
[23:27] <macogw> and it claims the installation is complete....we'll see how that goes... brb gotta reboot
[23:27] <CarlFK> Arwen: wallpaper is /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png :)
[23:27] <Arwen> oh, lol
[23:27] <CarlFK> interesting name for something new...
[23:28] <Arwen> I wasn't around back when Warty/Hoary was released
[23:28] <CarlFK> new image, old name
[23:28] <CarlFK> I just noticed the name last week
[23:29] <CarlFK> when I noticed the new image... "hmm, I want to grab that... what's it called?.... wtf?
[23:29] <FransQ> yeah it could make you think it's some old wallpaper but it's actually new, AFAIK. It actually features a heron
[23:30] <Arwen> Kubuntu seriously needs new papers :-P
[23:30] <CarlFK> FransQ: that got bit in the nick by a hyena?
[23:30] <CarlFK> neck
[23:31] <h3sp4wn> ionstorm: Yeah I gave up looking - one day I guess they release it and it will not be what I thought it would be (not sure what that is anymore)
[23:32] <FransQ> CarlFK: "Ubuntu Hardy Heron. Not Hyena-resistant."
[23:32] <CarlFK> lol
[23:38] <Kuni> thank God for the ability to boot with 2.6.24-8
[23:39] <h3sp4wn> Other than one extra usb boot warning I don't have any issues
[23:41] <h3sp4wn> And the bios upgrade I just did seemed to fix that anyway
[23:41] <Kuni> lucky you
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> Well the hardware is supported to run Linux (SLES) but still
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> and kvm seems to be fixed also
[23:45] <flipstar> Kuni: trouble with the new kernel ?
[23:45]  * smallfoot- says PLZ MAKE NEW GRAPHICS FOR KERNEL 2.6.24-10, PLZ MY DESKTOP SUCKS, PLZ HELP, I NEED IT, PLZ MAKE IT!
[23:45]  * smallfoot- says PLZ MAKE NEW GRAPHICS FOR KERNEL 2.6.24-10, PLZ MY DESKTOP SUCKS, PLZ HELP, I NEED IT, PLZ MAKE IT!
[23:45]  * smallfoot- says PLZ MAKE NEW GRAPHICS FOR KERNEL 2.6.24-10, PLZ MY DESKTOP SUCKS, PLZ HELP, I NEED IT, PLZ MAKE IT!
[23:45] <Arwen> o.O k-lined?
[23:46] <void^> i wish
[23:47] <h3sp4wn> Perhaps my mirror is out of sink of aptitude just doesn't offer the really silly upgrades
[23:48] <Arwen> I upgraded intentionally, even seeing the b0rk :-)
[23:53] <Laser87> Hi!
[23:57]  * h3sp4wn still doesn't get compiz (It seems a bit faster now) but it flickers
[23:57] <h3sp4wn> SGI had that right in 1996 when I first saw hardware accelerated opengl desktop
[23:58] <flipstar> h3sp4wn: what did you do to make it faster ? it is very slow here when i restart compiz ..
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> flipstar: BIOS update and installing the updates nothing else
[23:58] <flipstar> uhm


[06:45] <infinity> stgraber: Why does the lxd 'track' debconf question default to "latest" instead of "3.0"?  I'd think the latter is the behaviour you'd want if people don't know which to select (or install noninteractive).
[06:46] <stgraber> infinity: it does 3.0 when installed on a LTS release of Ubuntu, 3.x otherwise. That matches what we were doing with the LXD releases as debs
[06:46] <infinity> stgraber: Ahh.  Okay.
[06:47] <infinity> stgraber: Except.  What if I install on 19.10 and upgrade to 20.04? :P
[06:48] <infinity> stgraber: Also, neat:
[06:48] <infinity> ==> Running migration from Deb to Snap
[06:48] <infinity> error: The following packages depend on [lxd lxd-client]: juju-2.0
[06:48] <infinity> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-0xjWRT/08-lxd_1%3a0.3_all.deb (--unpack):
[06:48] <infinity>  new lxd package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[06:48] <stgraber> I'm starting to seriously consider removing that particular migration check given that it keeps finding deprecated packages on people's systems :)
[06:49] <stgraber> I don't actually know whether the juju-2.0 deb can use the LXD snap so not sure if I should whitelist that particular one or not
[06:50] <infinity> Hrm, I seem to have juju deb and snap installed anyway.
[06:50] <infinity> What a mess
[06:51] <infinity> stgraber: Maybe help them migrate too? :P
[06:51] <stgraber> juju-2.0 deb got removed from the archive in 17.10 I think, so yeah, no idea what that does :)
[06:51] <infinity> stgraber: You're TIL.
[06:51] <infinity> uju-core (2.0.2-0ubuntu2) zesty; urgency=medium
[06:51] <infinity>   * Update debian/tests/setup-lxd.sh to support LXD storage API.
[06:51] <infinity>  -- Stéphane Graber<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 17 Feb 2017 00:17:30 -0500
[06:52] <stgraber> oh so 17.04 then, not 17.10
[06:52] <stgraber> IIRC I'm also the one who processed its removal
[06:52] <infinity> stgraber: Right, this is the problem that occurs with deb->snap without migration. :P
[06:52] <infinity> (And I remember arguing at the time that it would leave users dead-ended)
[06:52] <stgraber> yep
[06:53] <stgraber> it's unfortunate that it's the LXD migration noticing that because there are more pleasant ways to handle those kind of things than another package failing in preinst :)
[06:53] <stgraber> it's gonna confuse a bunch of people for sure
[06:53] <stgraber> especially during 18.04 -> 20.04
[06:54] <infinity> stgraber: Purging juju debs and trying again, I now get:
[06:54] <infinity> => Running sanity checks
[06:54] <infinity> error: The source server is running a more recent version than the destination.
[06:54] <infinity> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/lxd_1%3a0.3_all.deb (--unpack):
[06:54] <infinity>  new lxd package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[06:54] <stgraber> oh, you selected 3.0?
[06:54] <infinity> I did.
[06:54] <stgraber> I was actually right about to fix that :)
[06:54] <stgraber> one sec
[06:54] <infinity> It was an option .:P
[06:55] <infinity> I can pick the other.  Sec.
[06:55] <stgraber> cosmic has 3.0.2, 3.0 snap has 3.0.1
[06:55] <stgraber> I'm about to promote 3.0.2 to stable
[06:55] <infinity> Ahh.
[06:55] <infinity> Okay.
[06:55] <infinity> Do that.
[06:55] <infinity> I can try again in 10m.
[06:55] <stgraber> done
[06:57] <infinity> Oh, but now I need to refresh it manually, I tihnk.
[06:58] <infinity> There we go.
[06:58] <infinity> stgraber: Better.
[06:58] <infinity> stgraber: But yeah, maybe helping the juju people with proper migration would be nice.
[06:58] <infinity> stgraber: (and maybe getting that SRUed back to bionic too...)
[06:59] <stgraber> yeah, an empty transitional package with a debconf message and no lxd depends would fix that particular issue and maybe un-confuse some users
[06:59] <infinity> stgraber: Something that actually installs the snap would be even better.
[07:14] <stgraber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1793074
[07:21] <cjwatson> (Also bear in mind that some people use juju from the juju team's PPA)
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1019.22]
[07:23] <infinity> cjwatson: Wait, they still maintain the deb in a PPA, but not in the archive?
[07:23] <infinity> cjwatson: That's all kinds of special.
[07:32] <infinity> juliank: <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:33] <sil2100> Argh, the langpack instance is hanged
[07:35] <cjwatson> infinity: I think it's disrecommended, I just haven't migrated away yet (no doubt along with many others)
[08:15] <tjaalton> armhf binaries for 389-ds-base, 389-ds-base-dev, 389-ds-base-libs should be removed to let 389-ds-base to migrate.. I missed this arch the last time
[08:18] <apw> stgraber, i selected latest and it ate my machine leaving me with lxd demandind a epoch 0 version and lxd-client demanding a epoch 1 version and not resolving
[08:18] <apw> stgraber, i had to remove lxd to get the installation to complete
[08:30] <stgraber> apw: do you have a log of that apt session?
[08:31] <stgraber> apw: errors from preinst can be pretty confusing, the version mismatch thing is usually an indication that something went wrong in preinst like that juju-2.0 thing that infinity ran into
[08:31] <stgraber> apw: you said the install completed after you removed lxd, did you mean lxd-client?
[08:59] <apw> stgraber, i removed both, and in error purged both, so that didn't do any of my containers any good
[09:00] <apw> i tried to remove just lxd-client and it wouldn't
[09:00] <apw> the primary issue seemed to be related to
[09:00] <apw> error: The following packages depend on [lxd lxd-client]: python3-libertine-lxd
[09:01] <stgraber> apw: ah, python3-libertine-lxd, wtf is that
[09:02] <apw> dunno but it was most unhappy to be removed
[09:02] <stgraber> rmadison can't even find any record of this thing
[09:02] <stgraber> looks like a leftover xenial thing maybe
[09:03] <apw> now that becomes a good question
[09:03] <stgraber> apw: so you tried removing python3-libertine-lxd manually and apt was pretty upset by that too?
[09:03] <apw> yeah i had to remove that, lxd and lxc-client together
[09:03] <apw> which is when i mad a sad a purged
[09:04] <stgraber> hmm, ok, so that may be a bit of a problem... so far everyone that ran into this kind of issue has been able to either use "apt remove --purge -f <whatever>" or "dpkg --purge <whatever>" to clear the package after they've confirmed they don't completely depend on it
[09:06] <stgraber> anyway, I think I'm now of the opinion that our migration code shouldn't do this check when run from within preinst because well, whether it passes or not doesn't matter that much, you need to upgrade anyway
[09:06] <stgraber> so I'll change that check to be non-fatal when it's run inside preinst, it'll still log the packages that may need manual attention but that should fix the actual upgrade failures
[09:11] <stgraber> apw: do you still have anything under /var/lib/lxd post-purge?
[09:12] <stgraber> apw: if you do or if you were using zfs or lvm for your containers, we may still be able to recover them with a bit of work
[09:16] <apw> stgraber, na, looks like you did an awsome job of cleaning up
[09:47] <Odd_Bloke> stgraber: FWIW, juju-2.0 is still produced in the Juju PPA, which I'm using.
[09:50] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke: interesting, anyway, the change I just pushed to the snap (waiting for build + CI still) will turn this into a warning, so won't break upgrades at least
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> OK, cool.
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> I just removed Juju. :p
[11:35] <slangasek> mfo: why does the new libuv1 fail its autopkgtest on armhf?
[11:35] <mfo> slangasek, hi. thanks for the libuv1 upload. would you mind triggering a nodejs rebuild for s390x on cosmic-proposed, so it picks up the libuv1 change and passes the FTBFS/test-case failure?  the other archs shouldn't need rebuilds, since this is a runtime-only change, but up to you.
[11:35] <mfo> slangasek, nice timing :)
[11:35] <mfo> slangasek, i'll check, one sec.
[11:36] <slangasek> mfo: nodejs/s390x retrying
[11:36] <mfo> slangasek, thanks.
[11:49] <mfo> slangasek, the libuv1 autopkgtest failures in armhf are errors in uv_{tcp,udp}_bind() (non-zero return status). looking at libuv/src/unix/{fs,tcp,udp}.c, it doesn't look like there's any relation between the udp/tcp-bind and the fs realpath calls.   i see you already requested a re-test which failed too, so that's interesting and i'll try to go w/ some emulation here to reproduce it.. but for now, is it possible for you to request the previous version
[11:49] <mfo> (1.22.0-3) to be re-tested? (i.e., trying to confirm whether it's something else in the armhf environment that's causing this between 08-28 and 09-17)
[11:49] <seb128> doko, looking at the summary of changes on https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo/releases it looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjpeg-turbo/2.0.0-0ubuntu1 should have required a ffe?
[11:50] <seb128> "Overhauled the build system to use CMake on all platforms, and removed the autotools-based build system."
[11:50] <seb128> "Added AVX2 SIMD implementations of the colorspace conversion, chroma downsampling and upsampling, integer quantization and sample conversion, and slow integer DCT/IDCT algorithms."
[11:50] <seb128> looks like non trivial/bugfix changes
[11:56] <ahasenack> hi, do we know who synced tdb with debian today, or yesterday? tdb (1.3.15-4 to 1.3.16-1)
[11:57] <cjwatson> ahasenack: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tdb/+publishinghistory does
[11:57] <seb128> ahasenack, I did
[11:57] <cjwatson> (answer: seb128)
[11:58] <ahasenack> cjwatson: it says "archive robot" sponsored it
[11:58] <cjwatson> ahasenack: second entry, not first
[11:58] <cjwatson> the second is the copy from -proposed to release
[11:58] <ahasenack> ah, the deleted one
[11:58] <cjwatson> *the first is the ...
[11:59] <ahasenack> ok, I was afraid it would trigger a rebuild of other packages like samba and sssd, but since it migrated, maybe not
[11:59] <seb128> ahasenack, no reason it would, there are little changes between the versions
[12:00] <seb128> ahasenack, also unsure why desktop owns that one, but if some other team has interest in it I would be happy to hand that one over
[12:00] <ahasenack> I think ldb is the one that retriggers many
[12:01] <seb128> we have no real interaction or knowledge of that one, but it's on our report which is why I updated it
[12:01] <ahasenack> but was there a particular reason to do it after feature freeze?
[12:02] <ahasenack> I'm also not sure why it would be a desktop pkg
[12:03] <seb128> ahasenack, the changes looked like bugfixes only, which is good candidate to get post ff
[12:03] <ahasenack> ok
[12:05] <ahasenack> rhythmbox, pulseaudio, are in the rdepends list, maybe that's why it's desktop
[12:08] <seb128> likely, I'm just unsure we are the ones knowing it best/using it most
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-drivers-common [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:25] <mfo> slangasek, ping. the armhf emulation is taking forever here, not even past debootstrap yet.  does autopkgtest allow you to request a re-test of the previous version (1.22.0-3) ?  i tried by changing the request URL, but it failed as i dont have access.
[13:30] <ginggs> mfo: i've triggered libuv1/1.22.0-3
[13:32] <mfo> ginggs, thanks!  it takes a while (maybe finish?) to show up in some page, like this one?
[13:32] <mfo> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libuv1/cosmic/armhf
[13:34] <ginggs> mfo: it's only been running for 2 min 50, should take about 10 min in total to run, then maybe another 10 min or so to appear on that page
[13:35] <mfo> ginggs, ah ok. and i just learned about this running.json file (linked in the main page) i see it there, w/ some logging, cool. thanks again. :)
[13:38] <slangasek> mfo: I've retriggered a test for the release version of libuv1 now
[13:54] <slangasek> ginggs: you can't trigger a test against the release version of a package that way when there's a version in proposed (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libu/libuv1/cosmic/armhf)
[13:56] <ginggs> slangasek: :o - so how to do it then?
[13:56] <slangasek> ginggs: see my faked-up trigger
[13:56] <mfo> slangasek, thanks!  ok, so the 1.22.0-3 run finished, and the failures are the same between release/proposed. not too bad!  does that impact this upload to -proposed?
[13:57] <slangasek> ginggs: and there may be some changes soon to make it easier to do this
[13:57] <mfo> (failures: search for 'not ok' in the logs)
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (bionic-proposed/main) [0.130ubuntu3.3 => 0.130ubuntu3.4] (core)
[13:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [0.122ubuntu8.12 => 0.122ubuntu8.13] (core)
[13:58] <slangasek> mfo: I will mark this as a badtest to let the package migrate
[13:58] <ginggs> slangasek: thanks, so what made you pick binutils, would glibc have worked too?
[13:58] <mfo> slangasek, ok, great. thank you.
[13:58] <mfo> ginggs, thanks o/
[13:59] <ginggs> mfo: yw! not that i did anything useful
[14:00] <mfo> ginggs, lol, i undertand, but no worries, thanks for being willing to help. that does count, i think :)
[14:01] <slangasek> ginggs: I picked binutils as one that is unlikely to have a version in -proposed at any given time
[14:02] <ginggs> slangasek: ah, ok!
[14:59] <tsimonq2> I should probably mention that before the beta I plan on doing a patch version bump Qt transition, which doesn't break feature freeze but does need a convenience ABI virtual package bump.
[14:59] <tsimonq2> Please voice objections soon if you have them.
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-edge [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.18.0-8.9~18.04.1] (kernel)
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-edge [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.18.0-8.9~18.04.1] (kernel)
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-8.9~18.04.1]
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe-edge [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-8.9~18.04.1]
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.4 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.5] (core)
[21:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.93.5 => 1.93.6] (core)
[23:02] <mfo> slangasek, hey. when you're back around, could you please review/sponsor another nodejs test-case fail/fix in LP #1793226 ?  following your request on the previous one, I already submitted to Debian (BTS 909151) and included Bug-Debian/Bug-Ubuntu tags in the patch. :)  Thanks again!


[00:01] <JoseeAntonioR> bilal: have a moment to help debug?
[03:31] <vibhav> Good Morning
[03:32] <vibhav> JoseeAntonioR: ping
[03:32] <JoseeAntonioR> vibhav: pong
[03:33] <vibhav> JoseeAntonioR: Is the schedule for the open week full?
[03:33] <JoseeAntonioR> vibhav: why are you asking?
[03:33] <vibhav> curious, maybe I could give a session
[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> it is, and sessions are accepted with at least two weeks of advance. The event is this week
[03:34] <vibhav> ah :(
[03:34] <vibhav> anyways, thanks
[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[21:41] <bilal> JoseeAntonioR: Hey
[23:44] <JoseeAntonioR> bilal: hi!
[23:44] <Darael> Gah!    They have their good points.


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