[22:50] <hyperstream> ive installed the linux headers for 2.6.31-17 but i get: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.31-17-generic/kernel/ubuntu/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[22:50] <magnus__> hello=)
[22:50] <rip> xulrunner-1.9.1 seems to be a dependency of firefox-3.5
[22:50] <bobmanuk> its not the ethernet im worried about
[22:50] <ikonia> hyperstream: because there is no such file
[22:51] <ikonia> hyperstream: you're missing the module
[22:51] <bobmanuk> its the wifi i need to use, the proprietary driver program shows them there, but wont activate them
[22:51] <hyperstream> ikonia, how do i obtain the module? compile ndiswrapper from source again?
[22:51] <ikonia> hyperstream: how did you install ndiswrapper
[22:51] <CattyKid> anyone think they might be able to help me with MINICOM?
[22:51] <hyperstream> ikonia, from source.
[22:51] <ikonia> hyperstream: why ???
[22:51] <Out_Cold> oh.. bobmanuk did you go into the restricted drivers in the sys menu?
[22:51] <ardchoille> CattyKid: May I PM you?
[22:52] <magnus__>  i have a little problem, i use two monitors, and the reselution suck son monitor number 2. and i cant get it higher, and if i try to activate my ati driver my skreens get all black=(
[22:52] <ikonia> hyperstream: why did you not use the version ubuntu packaged for you ?
[22:52] <CattyKid> please thanks
[22:52] <hyperstream> ikonia, this is actually an issue darko956 is having, he upgraded from 8.10 to 9.10 and followed this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092
[22:52] <bobmanuk> yes
[22:52] <bobmanuk> its there where it wont let me activate them
[22:52] <ScoobyDoo> Anyone know how to convert a kommader .kmdr file to a executable file?
[22:52] <Marcel__> I need to migrate my home directory because I want to change  the filesystem of its partition. Can anyone tell me a software that writes a backup image I can restore later?
[22:52] <eternicode> anyone know where I can get ff3.6?  It's not in the ubuntu repos yet and in ubuntu-mozilla-daily it's a "special transition package".
[22:52] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, and 'can' you plug into the network with a cable?
[22:52] <hyperstream> ikonia, ive suggested a clean install of 9.10 karmic, which he is downloading atm.
[22:52] <ikonia> hyperstream: there was no need to compile from source, it looks like who ever built it has not built and installed it correctly, and now your system is tained
[22:52] <bobmanuk> it shows theyre there, it knows what is needed, but it refuses to install them
[22:52] <ikonia> tainted
[22:53] <hyperstream> ikonia, :)
[22:53] <Santisnight> I uninstalled something i shouldn't have :T Ubuntu ate my windows! (the ones that hold the "close, maximise, minimise buttons) on almost everything but google chrome.
[22:53] <magnus__> if some one know a sulution on my problem plz pm me
[22:53] <ScoobyDoo> Anyone know how to convert a kommader .kmdr file to a executable file?
[22:54] <ikonia> ScoobyDoo: kommander is a disk image tool isn't it ?
[22:54] <ardchoille> ScoobyDoo: you should ask in #kubuntu
[22:54] <ScoobyDoo> Ah ok thanks
[22:54] <ikonia> ScoobyDoo: never mind, it's the dev tool, I see it
[22:54] <ardchoille> !info kommander
[22:54] <mathrick> hiya, the logout/shutdown menu entries have randomly disappeared from my panel with no clear reason, and are not coming back if I restart
[22:54] <Paulo39> hi everybody, i'm having a weird error when i try to update my repos: at some moment, it gaves an error, telling that was unable to connect to the repo (and the connection was refused). i never saw this, can you help me?
[22:54] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, can you plug in with a cable? it might be a easy fix to upgrade that way
[22:54] <mathrick> how can I check if the panel believes I'm authorised to log out?
[22:55] <bobmanuk> i cant, its dorms, shared wireless and no ethernet access
[22:55] <ardchoille> mathrick: you can find the logout/shutdown options in the user applet at the right
[22:55] <bobmanuk> shoudl really learn to direct my messages to people lol
[22:55] <mathrick> ardchoille: I don't have user applet at the right. I mean System → Log out... entries
[22:55] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, which driver/card?
[22:55] <Santisnight> I uninstalled something i shouldn't have :T Ubuntu ate my windows! (the ones that hold the "close, maximise, minimise buttons) on almost everything but google chrome.  can anyone tell me what i uninstalled so that i may reinstall it?
[22:56] <Paulo39> a guy told me that i need to change the mirror of the repo, is that ok? and where can i find urls for those mirrors?
[22:56] <mathrick> they have been there up until today for the past three years or so
[22:56] <ardchoille> mathrick: if you don't have a user applet, then those options should be under System
[22:56] <mathrick> and decided to go away
[22:56] <mathrick> ardchoille: but they aren't, which is the issue I've just presented
[22:56] <Out_Cold> Paulo39, yes and in synaptics its titled 'repositories' from a menu
[22:56] <ardchoille> mathrick: weird
[22:56] <mathrick> and I need help debugging that, since the whole authorisation question is horribly distro-dependent
[22:57] <Santisnight> can anyone help? this is a rather bothersome issue.
[22:57] <Out_Cold> !ask
[22:57] <magnus__> i have some problem with my reselution can some one help me out?
[22:57] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: broadcom bcm4312
[22:57] <bobmanuk> out_
[22:57] <mathrick> Santisnight: what exactly were you doing?
[22:57] <wANd> I only have one hard drive in my computer, one partition spanning the whole drive and it contains windows.  I am booting the Ubuntu live stick but the only drive showing up in the installer is my USB stick!  Why isn't it showing /dev/sda?  ALso if I fdisk /dev/sda it shows it just fine
[22:57] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: just trying to boot unr so i can find out what the exact package its after is called
[22:57] <mathrick> Santisnight: my guess is you removed metacity and/or compiz
[22:57] <mathrick> but I can't know without a more detailed explanation of what you did
[22:58] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, you are trying to use a live usb?
[22:58] <Santisnight> mathrick,  ah was that it?
[22:58] <mathrick> Santisnight: I don't know, were you uninstalling things?
[22:58] <Marcel__>  I want to change the filesystem of the partition containing my home directory. Can anyone tell me a software i can use to write a backup image I can restore later?
[22:58] <Santisnight> mathrick,  can i get that back just from the software center or sympnacs or whatever it's called? :P
[22:58] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: i used a live usb to install yes, it worked fine when i initially ran from the usb, but now it doesnt work
[22:58] <mathrick> Santisnight: you should be able to, yes
[22:59] <olvap> any one could tell me what im doing wrong or what im not doing? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3dbd1040
[22:59] <mathrick> but normally the system wouldn't let you remove them
[22:59] <Santisnight> mathrick,  yes, i was uninstalling whatever i didn't use or whatever i couldn't seem to find / operate.
[22:59] <olvap> sorry wrong channel
[22:59] <mathrick> Santisnight: through synaptic? You shouldn't be able to do that
[22:59] <Santisnight> i uninstalled through the software center.
[22:59] <mathrick> Santisnight: did you have desktop effects enabled before you did that?
[22:59] <Santisnight> no
[23:00] <mathrick> okay, then see if package metacity is installed
[23:00] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: i tried to mount the usb and force apt to see it as a repository to hopefully let me use the drivers, but theyre already installed on the system, just not allowed to activate
[23:00] <duffydack> Marcel__,  clonezilla, but make sure (if you dont backup / (root) )  to amend your fstsb
[23:00] <BluesKaj> wANd, are you talking about the partitioning option during install?
[23:00] <ardchoille> Santisnight: do you have an nvidia 5 or 6 series card and missing the window border?
[23:01] <Santisnight> ardchoille, no i have a series 9
[23:01] <ardchoille> ok
[23:01] <Marcel__> does clonezilla write a image?
[23:01] <Santisnight> BRB
[23:01] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, ok well then i assume the driver is on the usb and you are just lacking a way to enable...  maybe we can force the driver with modprobe. one sec while i look around
[23:01] <duffydack> Marcel__, yes
[23:01] <Marcel__> or just copy data?
[23:02] <Marcel__> duffydack: And it stores also permissions, links and so on?
[23:02] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: thanks, just fyi it says broadcom STA proprietary wireless driver
[23:02] <mathrick> now, back to my question: anyone with a clue how I can tell what panel is thinking about my authorisation to logout/shutdown?
[23:03] <duffydack> Marcel__, if you are confident enough you could just boot to recovery mode,  type 'cd' to make sure you are in home folder and do cp -av . /somewhere-else, umount the partition, format it, amend fstab to reflect changes, and mount it, and cp everything back
[23:03] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, i'm checking here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1368699 and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1368946
[23:03] <duffydack> Marcel__, its a complete backup solution...so, yes, everything.....mbr, partition table etc
[23:04] <duffydack> Marcel__, what filesystem are you gonna format to ?
[23:04] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, try the first link step 2
[23:04] <Marcel__> duffydack: got ext4 with karmic and want back to ext3.
[23:05] <wANd> Why isn't the partitioner showing /dev/sda when I'm trying to install!
[23:05] <duffydack> Marcel__, i`d just backup files/folders with cp and do it manually.
[23:05] <wANd> its oly showing a friggin USB stick
[23:05] <wANd> gparted /dev/sda works fine
[23:05] <wANd> why is it doing this
[23:05] <Out_Cold> wANd, have a terminal?
[23:05] <wANd> yes
[23:06] <wANd> yes Out_Cold
[23:06] <duffydack> Marcel__, do you have enough free space on your root or other partition to copy files to?
[23:06] <Out_Cold> wANd, sudo fdisk -l shows it?
[23:06] <wANd> Out_Cold:  absolutely
[23:06] <wANd> And i even just did manual partioning via gparted
[23:06] <wANd> and it works great
[23:06] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: they are already installed, but i will attempt again from the USB
[23:06] <Marcel__> duffydack: Not uncompressed...
[23:06] <Marcel__> duffydack: missing about 15%
[23:06] <Guthur> is it possible to get a terminal to listen on tty1
[23:07] <wANd> look at this stupid thing
[23:07] <wANd> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4310318232_456596c756_b.jpg
[23:08] <wANd> it shows up in fdisk but partitioner doesnt even give me option to select it
[23:08] <BluesKaj> Guthur , tty is the same as a terminal , without the xserver running
[23:08] <Out_Cold> wANd, not too sure mate.
[23:09] <Out_Cold> wANd, try exiting the partitioner and try again?
[23:09] <wANd> thanks for trying :(
[23:09] <duffydack> Marcel__, tar it up then...  IIRC, sudo tar czvpf /home.tar.gz .
[23:09] <wANd> ive tried :(
[23:09] <duffydack> Marcel__, would tar and zip with permissions to /
[23:09] <Guthur> BluesKaj, what would happen to data sent to it from an external source, connected to the serial port
[23:09] <Guthur> can I capture that
[23:10] <BluesKaj> Guthur, sorry , never tried that
[23:11] <ryrych> hello :)
[23:11] <ahhughes-myth> wtf is a "Network Manager Keyring password"? Why should I set one?
[23:11] <solexious> Q: After logging into gnome my top and bottom panels (set to auto hide) stay hidden till I click on them. After doing this they function as normal till I reboot. Any ideas how to fix this?
[23:11] <duffydack> Marcel__, hangon Ive got that wrong :)
[23:11] <k0d3g3ar> what's a good unzip/unrar utility that can handle multi-file ZIP archives?
[23:11] <ryrych> can you tell me folks if Ubuntu music store will be available outside the US? What about Europe (especially mid-west)
[23:12] <duffydack> sudo tar czvpf /home.tar.gz *
[23:12] <minimec> ahhughes-myth: It is another protection level for your passwords. You can leave it blank.
[23:12] <Checkmate91> I am working on restoring data from a corrupt XP hard drive.  At this time, I have tried booting a live cd but fdisk cannot mount the drive.  I suspect that the motherboard does not recognize the harddrive because sudo fdisk -l reveals nothing at all.  Now...about this harddrive...there might be something physically wrong here.  The drive spins up BUT most of the time, the MOBO does not recognize it.  On the off chance that the MOBO does recognize
[23:12] <Checkmate91> it, the drive tries to boot but after about 20 seconds restarts the computer.  Cany takers?
[23:13] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: wow... thanks, it now works, just a reinstall of the same packages works a treat
[23:13] <idyle> Does the latest karmic kernel have all the bluetooth support built in? I just did sudo modprobe bluetooth and got module not found, thinking I may need to recompile the kernel
[23:13] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  try putting the HDD in a freezer for 5 mins.  Then try again
[23:13] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: thing is ive been trying this with kubuntu and unr for days... yet its only just worked straight out of the gates :)
[23:13] <vinceman> what else but file size does the ls -l command list? there are two integers at each file/directory name...
[23:13] <bobmanuk> thank you
[23:13] <k0d3g3ar> idyle:  its recognizing bt on my laptop
[23:14] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  Thought about doing that but the thing does spin up even when it doesnt boot
[23:14] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, i assume that it didn't install because it didn't know??? but the packages were on the usb which worked live??
[23:14] <Out_Cold> bobmanuk, good to see it working now though
[23:14] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  ok ... dumb question... you have a backup,right?
[23:14] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  I dont...but it's not my drive and if I cannot get this data back...it's gone
[23:15] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  then you have a problem, dude.  Have you tried Spinwrite on it?
[23:15] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  never heard of it
[23:15] <obiwan_> hi, i'm trying to capture some screen in the background while i'm on other things, i'm trying to do it with recordmydesktop but i couldn't find the option
[23:16] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  its a really good HDD recovery tool from Steve Gibson.  www.grc.com I think
[23:16] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: yeah but i did aptitude search dkms and bcmwl (both seperately of course)
[23:16] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold:  and they were installed, after asking the command line to reinstall it, it did so and same issue
[23:16] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  looking at it now but to install it, the HDD needs to boot, right?
[23:16] <bobmanuk> Out_Cold: but anyway, ta very much
[23:16] <bobmanuk> ttfn all
[23:17] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  No, its a Live CD type boot disk.  Just as long as the HDD is connected somewhere in the chain it should find it
[23:17] <drunkenangel> I am having issues with permissions in ubuntu, apache, and php. Where is the best place to ask for help with my problem?
[23:17] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  do you think that the sometimes booting sometimes not recognized by the MOBO is a physical problem or a sector problem?
[23:17] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  depends where the problem is
[23:17] <Out_Cold> drunkenangel, start here then see
[23:18] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  I've heard of problems like that being failures in the logic boards on the HDD controller.  Sometimes you can find the same drive, and swap out the logic board on it and it will work
[23:18] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  UGH, this is gonna be a challenge.  Will Spinwrite erase data?
[23:19] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  No, I've never had it do that to me
[23:19] <drunkenangel> Alright so, I installed apache2 and I added a folder to the /var/www directory the files in the directory are used by php and html pages that are stored in the /var/www directory, I can see the pages but not of the files that I have in the directory I added to the www folder are showing
[23:19] <vinceman> !default
[23:19] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  Think a demo version would do the trick or do you use the full?
[23:19] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  make sure all content is owned by Apache.  chown -R apache.apache *
[23:19] <vinceman> !alias
[23:20] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  I didn't tell you this, but there are hundreds of copies of Spinrite on bittorrent
[23:20] <CosmiChaos> how to i invoke a script containing sudo commands in rc.local?
[23:20] <drunkenangel> The error I am getting is permission denied to the file that is trying to be used, So I have done chown -r /www-data:www-data /var/www/direcotry
[23:20] <drunkenangel> Then chmod -R 755 /var/www/directory
[23:20] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  no, it needs to be owned by Apache if that is what you are using to serve it
[23:20] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  lol, ok.  So if it's sectors I am dealing with, it's a possible solution
[23:20] <k0d3g3ar> Apache creates its own user account & group on installation
[23:21] <brishu> hey folks, i am hoping you can help me with something ..... my <Win + Space> shortcut seems to have been mapped to something ... only i dont know what that something is .... is there a way to figure out/clear what that is mapped to? (just pressing the combination seems to do nothing)
[23:21] <drunkenangel> When I checked the page same problem, I thought www-data is the defualt user for apache
[23:21] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  and assuming this is the issue, does that explain what fdisk does not see it out there?
[23:21] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  Yes, its a total solution if its just about bad data on sectors.  This will go down to the bit level to try and recreate the data there so you can use the drive
[23:22] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  If you  can't recognize it, it might be that the partition table is toast.  But Spinrite should be able to recover any recognizeable data for you
[23:22] <sivang> hi all
[23:22] <sivang> two questions:
[23:23] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar:  can a bootable windows xp CD do the same thing?
[23:23] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  I have about 14 CentOS servers running Apache, and all of them have apache as the user account.  I can't speak for all distros but that was my understanding with RedHat/CentOS
[23:23] <sivang> 1) Why does Ubuntu 9.10 sucks so badly?
[23:23] <sivang> 2) How do I change lumminece level from the console ?
[23:23] <k0d3g3ar> sivang:  coz your a noob?
[23:23] <Erreon> Having a problem with setting up Hal rules for my Targus mouse.  The mouse by default is inverted for some reason.
[23:23] <sivang> (the UI controls have stopped responding)
[23:23] <vinceman> !ls
[23:23] <mneptok> sivang: you know better than to troll with things like that first question.
[23:23] <Santisnight> My titlebar and stuff is still missing ><
[23:23] <sivang> mneptok: hehe
[23:23] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: lol
[23:24] <sivang> mneptok: As more as I become depandant on the system for real work, I get more trollish :)
[23:24] <mneptok> sivang: no, it's not funny. i'll happily ban you from the channel.
[23:24] <jch> I'm trying to get the headers of a standard hardy 8.04 amd64 for vmware but linux-headers-2.6.24-19-server is nowhere to be found
[23:24] <sivang> mneptok: ah, I see
[23:24] <blendmaster1024> anyone ever heard of "frostwire", www.frostwire.com, and would you recommend it as virus/rootkit/whatever free? (for the ubuntu version)
[23:24] <sivang> mneptok: then I apologize for the harsh words
[23:24] <sivang> mneptok: you know I lvoe Ubuntu
[23:24] <UK-DONE> How do I solve network unmanaged problem ?
[23:24] <rexha> Hi is here any one that has a strong influence like developer of ubuntu ?
[23:24] <sivang> k0d3g3ar: I guess I am :)
[23:24] <sivang> k0d3g3ar: it's been a while since I did distro development
[23:24] <sivang> k0d3g3ar: can you please help me?
[23:25] <Erreon> Anyone around got any time to help me out with a HAL problem?
[23:25] <Nautilus> anyone know how to read smartctl output?  pastebin.com/dbd608d4
[23:26] <drunkenangel> www-data:www-data is default for ubuntu thanks so hmhm
[23:26] <sivang> for the record: Ubuntu is the greatest distro ever, with all the bugs and work be done.
[23:26] <omenmaster> greetings may i have some help please - ubuntu login window is not showing up on sys---admin---
[23:26] <sivang> it has inspired me to become invovled in Linux and open source
[23:26] <omenmaster> how do i acquire it?
[23:26] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  I'm actually right now compiling apache & php for my 9.10 laptop from source.  I'll  check the user account stuff as soon as its finished downloading the dependencies
[23:27] <sivang> and have bought me a very good place in the work market.
[23:27] <sivang> ^^^
[23:27] <Erreon> Anyone around that can help with an inverted mouse problem?
[23:27]  * sivang takes back his words from before
[23:27] <sivang> and if I was more hardworking, I would fix the bugs instead of trolling about them :)
[23:27] <sivang> k0d3g3ar: ^^
[23:27] <sivang> ;)
[23:29] <omenmaster> greetings may i have some help please - ubuntu login window is not showing up on sys---admin---
[23:29] <omenmaster> how do i acquire it?
[23:30] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: just got lucky and the HDD booted enough for CHKDSK to run
[23:30] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: here's hoping
[23:30] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  Sweet!  Fingers crossed
[23:30] <grkblood13> steve, i got it
[23:30] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  I'd still run Spinrite on it.  Even in maintenance mode it should be able to protect you from any bad sectors coming up later
[23:30] <grkblood13> if you are the same steve form last night
[23:31] <Boom> Anyone could tell me the command to create a new user on linux?
[23:31] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: ok...i appreciate the help
[23:31] <iceroot> Boom: sudo adduser newusername
[23:31] <grkblood13> steven__,
[23:31] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  np
[23:31] <drunkenangel> ok I figured it out
[23:31] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  what was it?
[23:31] <drunkenangel> I just did the entire /var/www folder instead of just the folder I wanted permission changed
[23:31] <obiwan_> please, is there any way i can stick gtk recordmydesktop to a window so i can put it in the background and still record it?
[23:32] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel:  Yep, that would do it.  Just make sure its secure from those you don't want in there of course
[23:32] <bcurtiswx> any way to get banshee 1.5.3 now? was just released today
[23:32] <sivang> so anybody knows why OSD controls stop to work after a resume on 9.10 ?
[23:32] <blakkheim> bcurtiswx: compile it
[23:32] <sivang> and is it safe already to dist-upgrade to the RC ?
[23:32] <drunkenangel> ubuntu is www-data for default apache user thanks
[23:32] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  Download source & compile it
[23:32] <k0d3g3ar> drunkenangel: k
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> blakkheim, k0d3g3ar: how?
[23:33] <iceroot> sivang: what RC?
[23:33] <blakkheim> bcurtiswx: you're using linux but don't know how to compile something?
[23:33] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  How?  With a compiler.....  ./configure,  make,  make install, etc.
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> use the git repository?
[23:34] <onetinsoldier> !info build-essential
[23:34] <omenmaster> greetings may i have some help please - ubuntu login window is not showing up on sys---admin---
[23:34] <iceroot> blakkheim: luckily if you use linux you dont have to know how to compile something
[23:34] <omenmaster> how do i acquire it?
[23:34] <sivang> iceroot: oh darn, no RC yet
[23:35] <sivang> iceroot: I'm helusinating :)
[23:35] <blakkheim> iceroot: but it is a basic thing that is very useful to know how to do
[23:35] <iceroot> blakkheim: but not needed
[23:35] <rabot9> How do I get sound to work on an Ubuntu Minimal install?
[23:35] <k0d3g3ar> iceroot:  but if you want to use software the day its released, you'd need to compile it.  If you are not that 'bleeding edge', sure no compiling required
[23:35] <onetinsoldier> bcurtiswx: before trying to compile something, you'll want to make sure you have the 'build-essential' package installed ;-)
[23:36] <blakkheim> iceroot: not if you lived in a closed ecosystem or your repository has everything you want
[23:36] <iceroot> k0d3g3ar: backports, deb from the website, binary from the website.... no need for gcc and so o
[23:37] <k0d3g3ar> iceroot:  I've never been able to 'use' a Linux distro without being able to compile stuff.  But then my needs may be different to others....
[23:37] <iceroot> k0d3g3ar: then use ubuntu and not gentoo :) but this is getting offtopic
[23:37] <onetinsoldier> when possible, using 'checkinstall' is good for compiling from source :)
[23:37] <k0d3g3ar> iceroot:  didn't know this forum had a 'topic'
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> ty
[23:37] <otokoyama> forgotten how to force a package when dependencies are missing with apt-get, anyone?
[23:37] <onetinsoldier> !info checkinstall
[23:37] <doufer> can someone recommend a good help desk live chat ?
[23:38] <iceroot> !ot | k0d3g3ar
[23:38] <doufer> help desk live chat on websites
[23:38] <onetinsoldier> otokoyama: are you certain you want to force it?
[23:38] <k0d3g3ar> ubottu:  yep, and what part of compiling apps is off-topic with that?
[23:38] <k0d3g3ar> doufer:  Have you tried using a Jabber client for that?
[23:38] <otokoyama> onetinsoldier, sure
[23:39] <obiwan_> please do you know any other program which lets you stick the desktop recorder to a specifiw window, and record even when it's minimized?
[23:39] <onetinsoldier> otokoyama: sudo apt-get --force-yes -f install
[23:39] <otokoyama> hmm is it --ignore-missing
[23:39] <leg> hi I was wondering if and how it is possible to takeover an existing terminal? im on pts/2 and I want to takeover pts/1
[23:39] <doufer> k0d3g3ar, nope.... do they have jabber based on AJAX / PHP?
[23:39] <otokoyama> onetinsoldier, i thought --force yes just skipped asking the questions
[23:39] <otokoyama> and -f is to fix missing
[23:39] <k0d3g3ar> doufer:  Yep, I think there are few open source projects around in PHP that have Jabber clients for that.  I seem to remember coming across sometihng on Google Code for that last year
[23:40] <doufer> k8d a link would be greatly appreciated
[23:40] <k0d3g3ar> doufer:  sure.... www.google.com
[23:40] <doufer> LOL
[23:40] <onetinsoldier> otokoyama: --force-yes is a little more 'dangerous' than that ;-)
[23:40] <k0d3g3ar> doufer:  :)
[23:40] <tylor> Is there an easy way to make a Mandriva 2010 LIve USB, i tried Unetbootin but it gave me errors on boot
[23:40] <duffydack> How do I get grub to show menu when there is only 1 os installed and doesnt show it
[23:40] <Boom> Anyone could send me a tell saying how I can create a new user then root please thanks
[23:40] <otokoyama> onetinsoldier, ok i will give it a shot (needing proper libssl library)
[23:41] <hyperstream> lol duffkitty what for ?
[23:41] <onetinsoldier> otokoyama: roger. good luck
[23:41] <djamel> Boom, terminal, adduser
[23:41] <leg> nobody?=)
[23:41] <quentin> i am having a problem with labyrinth mind maps. any one else have this same problem?
[23:41] <duffydack> hyperstream, so I can choose recovery mode if I want
[23:42] <duffydack> hyperstream,  or memtest.
[23:42] <rabot9> How do I get sound to work on an Ubuntu Minimal install?
[23:42] <quentin> i am having a problem with labyrinth mind maps. After install it won't open. Any one else have this same problem? Just clarifying.
[23:42] <hyperstream> rabot9, install the drivers, google your sound card chip
[23:42] <Guthur> BluesKaj: If you are interested, to listen on COM2 -> cat /dev/ttyS1
[23:42] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: getting better, I can get to the login screen a little more consistently but when I use the keyboard it locks up.  Does windows have a feature to enable an on-screen keyboard that I could use the mouse for?  Funny...asking that in a Ubuntu channel :)
[23:42] <KenBW2> is it possible to check the uptime of previous sessions?
[23:43] <needhelpUbuntu> i need some help recovering data, i would like to ssh /home/usernamehere to another box. i am liveusb'd right now, and can not seem to mount the sda1 where my data is.  suggestions? someone walk me through? thanks
[23:43] <Random832> KenBW2; by reading log files carefully and using basic subtraction skills
[23:43] <minimec> rabot9: check if the alsa-base is installed.
[23:43] <KenBW2> Random832: good idea, thanks
[23:43] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  Can you get to a login screen in Safe mode with Windows?
[23:43] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: openssh-server needs to be installed on the host
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/364198/ what should I do?
[23:43] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: havent tried but can give that a shot...i am booting back to ubuntu live cd now just to see what I come up with
[23:44] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  Or command prompt?  (ie. hold down F8 on boot)
[23:44] <needhelpUbuntu> ok
[23:44] <needhelpUbuntu> will doo KenBW2
[23:44] <needhelpUbuntu> brb
[23:44] <recmajkemi> i have installed xulrunner-1.9.1 but now my video performance is all messed up, cant watch regular xvids they stop and go blurry&cubuc every 15 seconds. could install be related to problem?
[23:45] <chetos> hello
[23:45] <ascheel> In Karmic, where is the grub menu listed?  I have no file named /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:45] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtisws:  Did you install the build-essentials stuff first?  I think the error you are seeing is that GCC isn't installed on your rig
[23:45] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, i was using samba b4, said unable to write to remote
[23:45] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, installing now
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: yes i do have it installed
[23:45] <Random832> KenBW2; i think last will tell you from the utmp log - it's more reliable than syslog which on my system tends to fill up with ata3 crap
[23:45] <iflema> !grub2 | ascheel
[23:45] <Random832> the command 'last
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: a restart required?
[23:45] <ascheel> ah, thanks iflema
[23:45] <needhelpUbuntu> im not real good with mounting drives from usblive yet
[23:45] <needhelpUbuntu> sighs..
[23:46] <chetos> guys u see the button on the right upper side of ur screen is like a mail, it contains the Evolutions and empathy right?
[23:46] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  I wouldn't think so....  hang on
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> k
[23:46] <emma> I see nothing moving.
[23:46] <chetos> but in my only appears empathy
[23:46] <hyperstream> chetos, yes
[23:46] <chetos> how can i add evolution?
[23:46] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: I can see the 80GB drive in Ubuntu live now but not the user's folder in documents and settings
[23:46] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, ok, im logged in to remote end
[23:46] <hyperstream> chetos, install the package perhaps ?
[23:46] <chetos> is oinstalled but it doesnt appears
[23:46] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: gonna call her
[23:47] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: what do you want to do
 the equivalent is /boot/grub/grub.cfg but go easy as the syntax is completely different
[23:47] <needhelpUbuntu> here is what happened, i was doing the virtualbox setup jail howto from this site... http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Setup_Jail  so i did a reverse and tried to remove it all, i removed entries from fstab, and rm -rf /var/64
[23:47] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  You need Gnome's GCONF stuff.
[23:47] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: oh are yu sat at what will be the host?
[23:47] <needhelpUbuntu> when i did a reboot, nvidia lost configs, cannot access desktop
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: what package is that in?
[23:48] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  Not sure what repository is required for that, but see if you can install gconf from Synaptic
[23:48] <tucemiux> ascheel, steve_ grub.cfg should not be edited
[23:48] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, i would actually like to copy my home dir to remote end and reinstall
 thanx for heads up!
[23:48] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, or i would like to restore my old os
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: gnome-common?
 thankfully never tried that..
[23:49] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: what version of ubuntu
[23:49] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  Might be.  Definitely gnome devel or something like that
[23:49] <needhelpUbuntu> 9.10
[23:49] <tucemiux> steve_, usually you can just do probe grub and do and update, if that doesn't work then create your own entry in 40_custom and update grub
[23:49] <needhelpUbuntu> .17 kernel i believe
[23:50] <tucemiux> steve_, i think just a grub-probe will do
 thanks! thankfully grub2 has always played nice for me ;) but i will have a play now - helps out in the future ;)
[23:50] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: hang on, ill check where nvidia-settings puts its config on here
[23:51] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, when i tried to smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/  my home dir. i noticed, that the live cd can not truly mount the data on that drive or should i say, my home user dir
[23:51] <chetos> anyone knows how to add evolution to the mail icon on the right upper side of the screen?
[23:51] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: are the files youre trying to recover on the "host"?
[23:52] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: as in not at the PC you're at now
[23:52] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, yes
[23:52] <needhelpUbuntu> yes im on that pc
[23:52] <needhelpUbuntu> liveusb and xchat
[23:52] <chetos> anyone knows how to add evolution to the mail icon on the right upper side of the screen?
[23:52] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: which PC are you physically sat at
[23:53] <needhelpUbuntu> the laptop i need data to be copied from elsewhere
[23:53] <needhelpUbuntu> i am on the laptop i need to recover data from
[23:53] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: so where  does SSH some in?
[23:53] <usuario_> hola
[23:54] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, mount the sda1 so i can see all the data, then i will simply ssh or smb the /home/username to another computer
[23:54] <chetos> anyone knows how to add evolution to the mail icon on the right upper side of the screen?
[23:54] <needhelpUbuntu> i tried the palimpsest disk util
[23:54] <tucemiux> chetos, right click anywhere in your pane
[23:54] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: and the PC you're currently using is on live-something?
[23:54] <Checkmate91> K0d3g3ar: CHKDSK looks like it got the drive stable enough for me to get what I needed...thanks again for the help!
[23:54] <needhelpUbuntu> its shows 489 gig ext4 @ sda1
[23:54] <needhelpUbuntu> i mounted it
[23:54] <needhelpUbuntu> but..... /home/username is totally default, none of my data is there
[23:54] <tucemiux> chetos, right click in your panel, then click "add to panel"
[23:54] <emma> now again it is happening.
[23:55] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, yes, i am currently using usblive
[23:55] <needhelpUbuntu> correct
[23:55] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: what package do I need to have Mono ?
[23:55] <bcurtiswx> k0d3g3ar: Library Watcher:   no (requires Mono >= 2.4.3)
[23:55] <k0d3g3ar> Checkmate91:  No problem.
[23:55] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: /home/user is the liveusb's home folder, not sda1's
[23:55] <chetos> tucemiux that adds the icnon for the pannel but i wanna add it to the mail icon with empathy
[23:55] <k0d3g3ar> bcurtiswx:  I think mono is its own package (I'm not a fan or supporter of Mono, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask on that)
[23:55] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: your files will be at /media/<something>/home/user
[23:56] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, sorry if i am confusing you...  here let me try this
[23:56] <tucemiux> chetos, you have to be specific in your post, i very rarely use empathy
[23:57] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, usblive is running on same computer i need to recover /home/myuser home dir from. i would like to mount /dev/sda1 such that i can see the data. currently when using palimpsest disk util, it mounts sda1 but.. my data is not there, but the default /home/myusername as it was. but no data in Documents, Videos,, so forth
[23:57] <needhelpUbuntu> yes
[23:57] <chetos> tucemiux look...when u click on the mail icon apperas Evolution and empathy right?
[23:57] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, correct, i went to /media/biglongstringhere
[23:58] <tucemiux> chetos, what "mail icon" you are referring to?
[23:58] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, i changed to /home/myusernamehere, and nothing is there except skel files
[23:58] <KenBW2> needhelpUbuntu: i could SSH to your PC from here if you like/are able
[23:58] <chetos> the one it's next to the date
[23:58] <chetos> upper right side of ur screen
[23:59] <Out_Cold> chetos, i have pidgin installed instead of empathy and my mail icon shows evolution and pidgin
[23:59] <tucemiux> chetos, so you want to put an icon for evolution in your panel all the right to the right?
[23:59] <needhelpUbuntu> KenBW2, problem with that is, 1. i have gateway, 2. i dont have connection as wireless is not up if i reboot and not use usblive, 3. i can simply follow instructions from 2nd laptop i have available to walk through fixing old config'd os.


[00:00] <locodir-user> Hello
[00:01] <mhall119> hi
[05:16] <Neo31> Hello, please I need to know if it is possible to point the domain name ubuntu-loco.org to a different IP address where we will host our new website.
[05:27] <leogg> Neo31, send the request to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:28] <Neo31> so that is possible leogg ? what what does rt refer to please?
[05:28] <pleia2> request tracker, the ticking system
[05:28] <leogg> Neo31, what's your domain name?
[05:28] <pleia2> ticketing
[05:28] <Neo31> ubuntu-tn.org
[05:29] <leogg> Neo31, yep... there should be no problem, send a request to rt
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <bkerensa> hi dholbach
[07:04] <bkerensa> :D
[07:05] <dholbach> hi bkerensa
[09:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:14] <mhall119> dholbach: ping
[12:15] <mhall119> 17557 dholbach  20   0 44620  15m 2904 R  100  0.3   5:52.33 python hours-in-queue
[12:15] <mhall119> is killing cranberry
[12:20] <nigelb> what is that?
[12:23] <dholbach> something from the sponsorship stats
[12:23] <dholbach> mhall119, not running any more
[12:27] <dholbach> mhall119, are you sure that's what was killing cranberry? that script has been running on the machine for months without any change to its code?
[12:27] <dholbach> from the line you quote it looks like it used CPU
[12:27] <dholbach> but did that kill the machine?
[12:28] <mhall119> not memory, I can't tell what was causing that
[12:28] <mhall119> but that process was pegged at 100% CPU for at least the 5 minutes I was watching i
[12:29] <dholbach> I'll see what I can do - but I doubt it's what causes problems for loco.u.c
[12:29] <mhall119> probably not
[12:30] <mhall119> since we've been having these for a while
[12:30]  * mhall119 waits for a vanguard to come online
[12:32] <dholbach> it's on my TODO list, I'll probably look into it tomorrow
[12:33] <nigelb> mhall119: I suggest holding dholbach at ransom with a knife to his neck "If you don't fix cranberry, we'll make you stay in Orlando!"
[12:35] <dholbach> maybe LD+summit should be just moved on their own machine ;-)
[12:36] <nigelb> heh
[12:37] <Pendulum> nigelb: I'm not sure that's a threat
[12:37] <nigelb> Pendulum: Yeah, I know realize he might actually like that. That's why the knife bit ;)
[12:37] <paultag> :|
[12:37] <nigelb> s/know/now
[12:37] <nigelb> ohai paultag
[12:37] <paultag> moin moin nigelb
[12:38] <nigelb> I'm purposefully breaking my python script today.
[12:38] <nigelb> So that I can put try & catch blocks
[12:38] <paultag> that's hardly breaking it
[12:39] <paultag> sounds like worthwhile refactoring :)
[12:39] <nigelb> heh
[12:40] <paultag> OK, Who's French here
[12:40]  * nigelb looks at YoBoY and huats
[12:40] <paultag> how would I say a goodbye to a close friend or family member?
[12:40] <YoBoY> ?
[12:40] <nigelb> 10 euros per sentence :P
[12:40] <YoBoY> ho ^^"
[12:40] <paultag> YoBoY: my Mother's in France right now, and I'm emailing her - how should I say goodbye? :)
[12:41] <paultag> ho? :)
[12:41] <YoBoY> hum.... how do you use to say it in english ?
[12:42] <paultag> YoBoY: usually something like "love," or "cheers", or whatever. Just a casual closing or something
[12:42] <nigelb> Just use "Paultag out"
[12:42] <paultag> YoBoY: how would you close an email to a dear friend or a family member or something :)
[12:42] <nigelb> :P
[12:42] <paultag> nigelb: and drop the mic :)
[12:43] <mhall119> YoBoY: I'm taking French classes this semester
[12:44] <YoBoY> for friend I always put something like "Grosses bises" or "Gros câlins", but for a mother, perhaps a "Ton fils qui t'aime" is a good end :)
[12:44] <paultag> YoBoY: thank you :)
[12:45] <YoBoY> mhall119: next year you'll come to visit us ?
[12:45] <nigelb> mhall119: yay, more tracebacks!
[12:50] <mhall119> YoBoY: maybe, if you can convince them to hold the next UDS in France
[12:51] <mhall119> I certainly wouldn't mind
[12:51] <YoBoY> arf... who is responsible for the choice ? ^^"
[12:52] <paultag> We should have it in Germany
[12:52] <paultag> I'd be tempted to go if it were in Germany
[12:52] <YoBoY> with Rick Spencer now in France... perhaps an UDS in Toulouse :D
[12:53] <paultag> I'd get so fat if I went to France
[12:53] <YoBoY> are you saying germany don't have good food ? :O
[12:54] <mhall119> ohh, I'd love to visit Toulouse
[12:54] <paultag> YoBoY: I love German food, but you can't eat a lot of it - plus, my whole family is German, so I'm used to the food :)
[12:54] <YoBoY> :)
[12:54] <paultag> YoBoY: but I could just eat and eat in France :)
[12:55] <mhall119> YoBoY: find a good sized hotel, get their information about hosting conferences, and send it to Canonical
[12:55] <mhall119> I can get you someone's email if you want
[12:55] <nigelb> marianna?
[12:55] <mhall119> ya
[12:55] <YoBoY> it's better to charge huats to do that :]
[12:56] <YoBoY> I can only see in Paris, and Paris is really very expensive
[12:57] <mhall119> put the word out to your loco, see if anybody has a good hotel and international airport near them
[14:18] <mhall119> cjohnston: czajkowski: the profile updating cron jobs aren't moved back to cranberry, IS is getting them setup again now, should fix some of our recent profile problems


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[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rt-extension-assets-import-csv [amd64] (impish-proposed) [2.2-2]
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sip6 [sync] (impish-proposed) [6.1.1+dfsg-2]
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[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, is this a problem for SRUs?
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> old binaries left on amd64: virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-source (from 6.1.22-dfsg-2~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> also old binaries left on amd64: virtualbox-guest-dkms-hwe, virtualbox-guest-source-hwe (from 6.1.22-dfsg-2~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted thermald [source] (hirsute-proposed) [2.4.3-1ubuntu2]
[14:37] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  yes and no, you need to ask archive admins to remove those from -proposed, then things will be migratable / releasable.
[14:37] <xnox> as long as it is intentional.
[14:38] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, you know if its intentional or not :) the change comes from you lol
[14:38] <xnox> har har har har
[14:39] <xnox> vorlon:  i need an archive admin to clean up new packages for linux-{cloud}-5.11 in focal-proposed. There are left over nvidia things to remove; promote from multiverse to restricted; release to updates. It is a meta & lrm only respin which is messy.
[14:39] <xnox> vorlon:  do you have time to do that?
[14:49] <xnox> vorlon:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-aws-5.11/+bug/1941608
[14:56] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-gcp-5.11/+bug/1941610
[15:01] <vorlon> xnox: no bugs for NBS binaries please, I'm going to work off update_excuses and ignore the bugs
[15:04] <xnox> vorlon:  ok sorry
[15:04] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-oracle-5.11/+bug/1941612
[15:04] <xnox> vorlon:  i can close them all.
[15:04] <xnox> vorlon:  i need lrm 5.11 old bins removals; and lrs/lrm 5.11 promotions from multiverse to restricted
[15:04] <xnox> vorlon:  and i need -meta / lrm / lrs to release to -updates => but not too sure if everything is ready for it.
[15:12] <vorlon> xnox: I think I've removed all the stale binaries now as reported by britney; I'll wait for another focal britney run to re-check
[15:15] <vorlon> xnox: as far as promotions, it looks to me like lrm is already in restricted and it's nvidia-kernel-common-{418,460}-server that needs promoted.  if there are other binaries that need promoted, I need details
[15:16] <bdmurray> ginggs: Maybe, but that could remove some future excitement!
[15:19] <xnox> vorlon:  ack. let's wait for britney run.
[15:25] <seb128> is there an issue than update_excuses didn't get updated today?
[15:26] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/impish/2021-08-25/
[15:26] <seb128> no recent try?
[15:27] <cjwatson> 21477 08:07:02              \_ python -c  from __future__ import print_function  import os import sys  from launchpadlib.launchpad import Launchpad as _Launchpad  # Work around non-multiple-instance-safety of launchpadlib (bug #459418). c
[15:27] <cjwatson> looks a bit stuck
[15:27] <cjwatson> I've killed it
[15:28] <seb128> cjwatson, thx
[15:29] <cjwatson> I wonder if there was a network blip; MoM got stuck at a similar time
[15:34] <seb128> cjwatson, could be, sounds like the daily ISO builds also failed
[15:34] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/impish/daily-live-20210825.log
[15:34] <seb128> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable
[15:40] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, aerc/ppc64el regressed in release... reset hint please? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/aerc/impish/ppc64el
[15:48] <sil2100> Just a heads up - prepublishing 20.04.3 images! We'll go live tomorrow late UTC morning
[15:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal 20.04.3] has been marked as ready
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: u-boot (hirsute-proposed/main) [2021.01+dfsg-3ubuntu9 => 2021.07+dfsg-0ubuntu5] (core)
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal 20.04.3] has been marked as ready
[18:38] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg, vorlon: I'm gonna try adding aerc to big_packages first since it coredump'ed and if that fails hint it
[19:40] <mwhudson> sil2100: woo
[20:19] <bdmurray> well aerc dumped core 3x instead of 1x so hinting it
[20:47] <xnox> vorlon:  kernel-sru-review in ubuntu-archive-tools is not as good as it could be, because there is a lot more routings for different kernels that said tool does not support. And normally cranky list-routings and review-changes does a better job at diffing things.
[20:47] <xnox> also does sru-review make sense for devel kernels? i guess it is more of an AA review.
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: plasma-runner-jetbrains (impish-proposed/primary) [1.7.0-0ubuntu2]
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: ^ Please reject, that was supposed to be a PPA upload
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected plasma-runner-jetbrains [source] (impish-proposed) [1.7.0-0ubuntu2]
[20:58] <vorlon> xnox: yes, and AIUI apw has been developing a new tool for handling those routings (he was doing a lot of that by hand or using personal scripts which hadn't been pushed to the repo)
[21:03] <xnox> vorlon:  i think i am managing to use the new enough tools.
[21:04] <xnox> let's see if https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/promote-to-proposed/+bug/1941058 will go into -proposed, and if not, will do by-hand copy & ask for AA approval from the queue.
[21:33] <bdmurray> vorlon: Can you add a 20.04.4 milestone or make it so I can add one?
[21:41] <vorlon> bdmurray: I'm not sure what team confers milestone creation priv. What's the target date?
[21:41] <vorlon> February 10 per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[21:43] <bdmurray> "Milestones belong to a series and can be created from the series page by a project owner or series release manager." I don't know what a series release manager is.
[21:44] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal shows ubuntu-release-team as the release manager for the series, do you have the 'create milestone' button?
[21:45] <bdmurray> not obviously where is it?
[21:47] <bdmurray> well if it goes to +addmilestone I'm not allowed there
[21:50] <vorlon> bdmurray: yeah that's where it goes
[23:07] <mwhudson> bdmurray, vorlon: so my glibc patch made the autopkgtests pass on all arches
[23:07] <mwhudson> (well apart from i386)
[23:07] <vorlon> \o/
[23:13] <bdmurray> I hinted the current version already
[23:13] <bdmurray> mwhudson: did you say something about removing some packages to help with the migration of glibc?
[23:14] <mwhudson> bdmurray: i did but until we get the armhf / networkd issue sorted it's not pressing
[23:19] <bdmurray> ack


[12:01] <BradB> ok
[12:01] <carlos> but I don't know the city so don't know a good place to buy it outside big stores that are also in Valencia
[12:01] <BradB> at worst, lamont's bringing me one, but i was hoping to have my own
[12:02] <BradB> carlos: how commonly spoken is french in spain?
[12:02] <carlos> BradB: zero
[12:03] <carlos> BradB: but Catalan is close to French (some words) so perhaps you could understand somethings
[12:03] <BradB> damn! i would have thought sort of popularish, given that the francophones i know learning spanish say it's really easy to learn spanish once you know french, thought it might be reciprocal
[12:04] <carlos> BradB: the problem is that Catalua has its own language, thus they usualy learn Spanish, Catalan and English
[12:05] <carlos> BradB: in other Spanish regions where don't have a local language, they learn Spanish, English and French
[12:06] <BradB> ah
[12:27] <BradB> sabdfl: I can't figure out if logging everything (in BugActivity) that gets added to a bug (an assignment, an infestation, a web link, etc.) makes sense or not. What do you think?
[12:38] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I'll try and make the time up on saturday instead then.
[01:33] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Small improvements to the potemplate add/edit forms (patch-934)
[02:11] <stub> BradB: ping
[09:44] <sabdfl> morning all
[09:46] <sabdfl> BradB: log only what you think makes sense, we'll get user bug requests if they think they want to see something in there that we are not logging and can deal with those on a case by case basis.
[10:01] <sabdfl> stub: around?
[10:01] <stub> sabdfl: Yup
[10:01] <sabdfl> did you get a chance to look at mark-project-refactor.sql?
[10:02] <stub> Yes - emailed you about it
[10:03] <stub> Its already to put it in if we want.
[10:05] <stub> My main concern is when I checked the documentation on the project table, it looked like we could no longer reasonably support some of the original use cases (gnome project's website product, kde project's website product) without people having to use the project name as a prefix for some or all of their products.
[10:09] <stub> sabdfl: Is that manifest patch waiting on me btw? I don't remember getting an 'its ready' but may have missed it.
[10:11] <lifeless> sabdfl: those areones brought in previously as we'd agreed. bob2 will be working on them today.
[10:12] <bob2> yup
[10:29] <sabdfl> stub: no, i am going to work on code with keybuk today, then we'll know it's ready
[10:30] <sabdfl> (the manifest patch)
[10:30] <sabdfl> stub: new version of the projectless patch will be in as soon as pqm is ready
[10:31] <sabdfl> i've dropped the old UNIQUE (project, product.name);
[10:31] <sabdfl> and added comments
[10:31] <stub> Did you get my modifications? Or are we going to get a clash
[10:31] <sabdfl> stub: need some manual tinkering with the production db at some stage
[10:32] <sabdfl> i refueled just before modifying it, had you comitted?
[10:33] <stub> Yes - but I don't know if it got through in time (I hadn't noticed my first commit bounced due to forgetting to update launchpaddatabaserevision earlier today)
[10:34] <stub> See what happens
[10:35] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bugassignment table and bugactivity tweak (patch-935)
[10:36] <stub> I win.
[10:37] <stub> sabdfl: I think your patch will conflict. Email me the file and I'll sort it at my end.
[10:55] <sabdfl> bugger
[10:55] <sabdfl> :-)
[10:55] <sabdfl> i'll have to resolve the conflict anyhow
[11:04] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>update project refactoring patch for stub (patch-936)
[11:14] <SteveA> sabdfl: do you think we'll have malone working as the ubuntu bug tracker later this month?
[11:55] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Soyuz classmethod clean up done. All classmethods used before for Soyuz app componentes has been removed. Other solutions has been used like utilits as sugested by SteveA. Thanks SteveA. (patch-937)
[11:57] <carlos> morning
[11:58] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>production fixes to the gnarly port (patch-42)
[11:58] <SteveA> hi carlos
[11:58] <SteveA> you pingged me, but I was asleep
[11:58] <carlos> SteveA: yes, it was about the mail I sent you later
[11:58] <carlos> the file upload problem
[12:03] <SteveA> okay, I'll take a look at it.  It does seem very strange that adding another field to the form stops it working properly.
[12:03] <SteveA> what browser are you using?
[12:03] <carlos> SteveA: no, it does not stops working , the forms works, but the upload field does not work like it should
[12:04] <carlos> SteveA: epiphany
[12:04] <carlos> the old upload form works always
[12:04] <SteveA> that's what I mean by "stops working properly"
[12:04] <SteveA> can you try it with firefox?
[12:04] <carlos> but my template creation form with that upload field does not handles the upload
[12:04] <carlos> ok
[12:04] <carlos> sure
[12:04] <SteveA> daf had a similar problem earlier with epiphany, and it seems to be a problem with epiphany
[12:09] <carlos> SteveA: it works now so I could assume that it's epiphany's fault
[12:09] <SteveA> do we have any epiphany hackers on the warty/hoary team?
[12:09] <carlos> I thought it was not the problem because daf had a check to prevent it, but it does not work. I will fix it now
[12:10] <SteveA> maybe they've come across this problem before.  perhaps it is a reported bug
[12:10] <carlos> SteveA: don't know
[12:10] <SteveA> if we knew more about it, perhaps there's a way of working around it
[12:10] <carlos> I could check that with seb128
[12:11] <carlos> SteveA: I will do a check to see if it's a file like object or a unicode instance
[12:12] <carlos> if it's a unicode instance will show a warning saying that the upload failed
[12:12] <carlos> that should stop breaking launchpad
[12:12] <SteveA> that's a good idea
[12:12] <carlos> as soon as we know if there is a way to fix work around it we could change it later
[12:13] <carlos>  /s/fix/ /
[12:13] <SteveA> actually, here's what I want you to do.
[12:13] <SteveA> 1. file a bug in malone on this.  this is okay, even if it isn't our bug, as we need to resolve it one way or another.
[12:14] <SteveA> 2. put your workaround in the code, and write a comment in there saying why this is there, and making reference to the bug in malone
[12:15] <SteveA> 3. write a message to the launchpad mailing list describing the problem and the workaround and the bug, so that everyone else on the team knows about it
[12:15] <SteveA> we can get seb128 to look at it in mataro
[12:15] <carlos> ok
[12:16] <carlos> SteveA: I have other problem that prevents me to reduce code duplication
[12:17] <carlos> I'm not able to do a "from canonical.rosetta.pofile_adapter import foo"
[12:17] <carlos> from canonical/launchpad/database/pofile.py
[12:18] <carlos> because canonical/rosetta/__init__.py imports the class Project
[12:18] <carlos> "from canonical.launchpad.database import Product"
[12:18] <carlos> and seems like it's not ready at that point
[12:18] <carlos> sorry, Product, not Project
[12:19] <SteveA> well
[12:19] <SteveA> I see the problem
[12:19] <carlos> I know I could fix it with: "from canonical.launchpad.database.product import Product"
[12:19] <SteveA> RosettaApplication has changed from being a "placeholder application object" that doesn't do anything but have some views
[12:19] <SteveA> into a database object that directly uses SQL
[12:19] <carlos> but I know that we are trying to prevent those imports
[12:20] <SteveA> So, RosettaApplication needs to move in to the launchpad/database area
[12:20] <SteveA> or, that code (the translatables method) needs to be separated from it somehow
[12:20] <SteveA> the way I'd do this is as follows
[12:20] <SteveA> * keep RosettaApplication where it is
[12:21] <SteveA> * make translatables() part of the IProductSet interface and the ProductSet class.
[12:21] <SteveA> * make RosettaApplication use this by looking up getUtility(IProductSet)
[12:21] <SteveA> so, we get to keep RosettaApplication where we expect to find it
[12:22] <carlos> and it does not depends on the sql code directly
[12:22] <SteveA> and the translatables() method is also in a reasonable place, seeing as it is to do with products
[12:22] <SteveA> yes
[12:22] <carlos> I get the idea, ok.
[12:22] <carlos> thanks
[12:30] <carlos> SteveA: seb says that it's the first time he knows about that epiphany bug and he says he don't have a problem with bugzilla uploading files from it
[12:57] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Now baz changes does a tree-lint (patch-23)
[01:16] <salgado> if I do a "baz delta --diffs patch-998 patch-999" where neither of these patchlevel exists, I got a "corrupt archive" error.
[01:17] <salgado> but if I specify launchpad--devel--0--patch-99{8,9} it tells me that these patchlevels doesn't exist(exactly what I expected).
[01:17] <salgado> is this intensional behaviour?
[02:44] <SteveA> carlos: heard of "trados" ?
[02:46] <carlos> SteveA: context?
[02:46] <SteveA> translation tool
 my wife is a linguist  and she works with Trados
 the defacto standard for translators and linguists
 standard of what?
 of a translations tool
 one of its main functionalities is the translation memory
 okay.  I'll ask the rosetta team about it.
 you put a document in and Trados records Translations of sentences of this document
[02:46] <carlos> yes
[02:47] <carlos> I think some people was talking about it at gnome mailing list
[02:47] <carlos> let me check
[02:49] <carlos> yeah. I know that the name was familiar for me
[02:49] <carlos> I think it's the most used application to do translations
[02:49] <carlos> it's a commercial tool
[02:49] <SteveA> we should try to look at it sometime
[02:50] <carlos> http://www.trados.com/
[03:00] <BradB> stub: pong
[03:00] <BradB> sabdfl: yes, i've been following some ideas to keep the bug changelog fairly simple
[03:01] <stub> eh? Oh - I emailed you about that (and then Mark said on the mailing to do it the way I did anyway)
[03:02] <BradB> catching up on email now
[03:02] <stub> Patch is in, but the bug migration isn't
[03:44] <dilys> New Malone bug #116: "Upload fails sometimes from epiphany", submitted by Carlos Perell Marn
[03:44] <dilys> https://dogfood.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/116
[03:46] <Kinnison> Is there a standard login on the dogfood server?
[03:49] <stub> Urgh... I thought my merge went through hours ago - bounced :-(
[03:50] <stub> Kinnison: Real accounts please
[03:50] <Kinnison> stub: real accounts?
[03:50] <BradB> stub: UNIQUE(project, name) will allow dup names for products that don't have projects. Is that something we want to allow?
[03:50] <BradB> I'm guessing not.
[03:50] <stub> Not a shared one - yours.
[03:52] <stub> BradB: No. My bad.
[03:52] <Kinnison> stub: the forgotten password thing mails me an ubuntulinux.org change url
[03:53] <stub> Yer - you need to create your account in launchpad_dogfood or con someone else into doing it for you.
[03:53] <Kinnison> But apparently the password I last thought of was correct
[03:54] <BradB> Kinnison: dude, you already bypassed the forgotten p/w and manually reset your p/w in the dogfood db, IIRC :)
[03:54] <stub> BradB: product.name is about to become UNIQUE anyway - patch should have gone through a few hours ago but I didn't check that mailbox ;)
[03:54] <Kinnison> BradB: it seems so
[03:54] <BradB> stub: So product names will be *globally* unique?
[03:54] <stub> BradB: Yup
[03:54] <Kinnison> BradB: I forget these things when using a different browser :-)
[03:55] <BradB> Kinnison: heh heh
[03:55] <BradB> stub: hm, interesting :)
[03:58] <BradB>      *<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:58] <BradB>        Now baz changes does a tree-lint
[03:58] <BradB> finally! :)
[04:01] <stub> BradB: We arrive at Barcelona at the same time. Look out for the unshaven dude with stupidly long hair and a Zope T-Shirt.
[04:02] <BradB> wicked!
[04:02] <BradB> I just shaved yesterday, but I might be too lazy to shave again once the con gets under way.
[04:04] <kiko-afk> I mean
[04:04] <kiko-afk> SERIOUSLY long hair
[04:05] <carlos> X-)
[04:08] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>By default show qualified revisions (patch-24)
[04:13] <stub> Actually - I'll wear my Async SHOW ME THE CODE T-Shirt
[04:13] <stub> 'Cause it is cool
[04:14] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Product.name is now globally unique, and Product.project optional (patch-938)
[04:38] <carlos> BradB: do we have a way to do form validation easily in launchpad?
[04:38] <carlos> I'm more interested on the visual feedback of errors (missing mandatory fields and things like that)
[04:41] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>merge in tla inode sig integrity improvements from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- helps bug #3869 (patch-25)
[04:41] <BradB> carlos: for forms that aren't add or edit forms, you mean?
[04:41] <carlos> BradB: well, at this moment it's for add/edit forms
[04:42] <carlos> I know you are using autogenerated forms with malone, that's why I'm asking
[04:46] <BradB> carlos: Yes.
[04:47] <BradB> Pass a callable to the constraint paramater.
[04:47] <BradB> (of a field in your schema)
[04:47] <BradB> carlos: src/zope/schema/README.txt
[04:47] <carlos> BradB: thanks
[04:48] <BradB> no prob
[05:08] <Kinnison> elmo: roughly what time would be a good time for gina to run? I.E. when will the daily archive sync complete?
[05:19] <stub> Farewell until Spain! I'm off in 12 hours.
[05:20] <BradB> see you there dude
[05:58] <SteveA> Kinnison, BradB: I plan to fix up forgottenpassword tonight
[05:58] <Kinnison> SteveA: cool
[05:58] <BradB> awesome
[05:58] <Kinnison> SteveA: hang on... tonight? Aren't you at the lunchpad?
[05:58] <SteveA> no
[05:58] <SteveA> I'm in lithuania
[05:58] <Kinnison> oh I thought you flew to .uk on wednesday
[05:58] <SteveA> I'd just popped in to see what condition my condition was in.
[05:58] <SteveA> well, that and a schooltool meeting.
[05:59] <Kinnison> oh heh
[05:59] <SteveA> afaik, the schooltool meeting had been planned before the arch sprint
[05:59] <SteveA> so I did 1/3 day on schooltool and 2/3 on canonical
[05:59] <SteveA> each day
[06:03] <SteveA>  nice article on wrapping GTK+ things for python: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-wrap/
[06:07] <SteveA> I was in this cafe, and the "ubuntu" song came on the sound system.  So,  I bought the CD from them.
[06:09] <SteveA> it's one of the songs on the "Africa" compilation published by Putomayo
[06:10] <Kinnison> SteveA: bring the CD with you to mataro?
[06:11] <SteveA> yep, willdo
[06:11] <SteveA> I'm listening to it now, as I'm not sure which track is the one with the ubuntu chorus.
[06:12] <SteveA> definitely "move your ass around" music though
[06:12] <SteveA> ideal for those long coding sessions
[06:14] <Kinnison> Mmm donkey!
[06:14] <SteveA> aha, got it: "Thandaza" by "Soul Brothers"
[06:25] <BradB> SteveA: email sent
[06:26] <SteveA> thanks
[06:44] <SteveA> BradB: do you need this fixed up urgently?
[06:44] <SteveA> I mean, is it stopping you doing something you really want to get done right now?
[06:44] <SteveA> (just trying to plan my evening's work)
[06:45] <BradB> SteveA: It's not stopping me, per se, but it's still leaving a major gap in the fact that the whole point of keeping history (or well, an important part of it) is to be able to make a note about why one changed something (e.g. why a bug was rejected.)
[06:45] <BradB> I'm just putting a dummy message in the BugActivity.message field in the meantime.
[06:46] <BradB> I think it's more of a showstopper than the forgotten p/w though, if that's what you're asking :)
[06:46] <SteveA> okay.  I'll take a brief look now, and if I don't get the "eureka", I'll try and get to it more thoroughly this evening.
[06:48] <SteveA> BradB: probably unrelated...         fields="title shortdesc description name"
[06:48] <SteveA> I see no changelog_comment in there
[06:49] <BradB> SteveA: Unrelated. Error is precisely the same with or without.
[06:50] <SteveA> try adding a "for" attribute perhaps
[06:55] <BradB> I'll have to try it a bit later, as I've commented out the code and reverted the ZCML, and am in the midst of merging some of the activity stuff.
[06:56] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>merge in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(patch-26)
[06:56] <SteveA> okay.  let me know how it goes, and whether I need to look into it further.
[06:56] <SteveA> if it *does* work, that makes it easier to find out exactly what is going on.
[06:57] <BradB> ok, I'll let you know when I get around to it.
[07:24] <salgado> SteveA, I want to get rid of person-{join,unjoin}.pt, wich only serves to display "User foo joined team bar". for this I was thinking in self-posting to the team page and then look in the request for +join/+unjoin.
[07:24] <salgado> what do you think of this?
[07:26] <kiko> salgado, except it's not self-posting!
[07:27] <salgado> yeah, it's not. but how do I'll call it?
[07:28] <SteveA> sounds like something that could use a status message and a redirect
[07:32] <kiko> SteveA, can you elaborate or point out a simile?
[07:33] <SteveA>   -----> d:-)
[07:33] <SteveA> oh, you didn't mean "a smiley"
[07:33] <kiko>   simile
[07:33] <kiko>        n : a figure of speech that expresses a resemblance between
[07:33] <kiko>            things of different kinds (usually formed with `like' or
[07:33] <kiko>            `as')
[07:34] <SteveA> I meant that, rather than fill in a form and go to a do-nothing page that just says "you did something", go to a normal "+index" page, but with a status message saying "you did something".
[07:34] <SteveA> For a self-posting form, this is usually done with a redirect on successful form submission
[07:35] <kiko> SteveA, using person-join.pt and a redirect, or using index itself and sniffing +join from the request location?
[07:35] <SteveA> kiko: yep -- had metaphor and simile drilled into me for years in school :-)
[07:35] <kiko> thank god someone here went to school! barbarians! ;)
[07:36] <SteveA> the message would be done in the same way brad has been doing messages.
[07:36] <kiko> ah?
[07:36] <BradB> kiko: I wrote a mail to the list about it already.
[07:36] <BradB> kiko: It should contain everything you need to know.
[07:37] <SteveA> a bit subject to "we can make your page say something lame" injection attacks
[07:37] <SteveA> but we'll worry about that later
[07:37] <BradB> SteveA: Mine isn't. :)
[07:37] <SteveA> ok -- must read it more carefully ;-)
[07:37] <kiko> BradB, did the message have a subject? :)
[07:37] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>record some of the more important bug activity, namely bug add/edit, package assignment add/edit and product assignment add/edit (still a work in progress\!) (patch-939)
[07:37] <BradB> kiko: Yeah, it mentioned "status messages" in the subject :)
[07:38] <BradB> And "add forms" too, I think.
[07:38] <kiko> okay
[07:38] <kiko> salgado, see if you can find it, otherwise I can explore my launchpad mailbox
[07:38] <kiko> but if it is not sufficient
[07:38] <kiko> I WILL BE BACK
[07:39] <kiko> and that wasn't english either
[07:39] <salgado> kiko, I'm reading it right now
[07:39] <BradB> kiko, salgado: http://rince.africaninspace.com/mailman/private/launchpad/2004-December/000845.html
[07:40] <BradB> that shows how sadly difficult it currently is to display status messages that 1. survive redirects and 2. avoid content injection attacks.
[07:42] <SteveA> BradB|lunch: okay -- so it works only for ints
[07:43] <salgado> you can pass in any bug number
[07:43] <BradB|lunch> salgado: yes, but you won't get a defacement
[07:43] <SteveA> the general form of that is a regex or other callable that verifies the form of the passed-in replacement
[07:43] <SteveA> basically a schema field ;-)
[07:43] <BradB|lunch> salgado: I could have also verified that the bug exists, but that's just the details
[07:43] <SteveA> so, perhaps we have a "redirect message schema"
[07:44] <SteveA> class IBugAddedRedirect(Interface):
[07:44] <SteveA>     bugnumber = Int(u"The bug number")
[07:44] <SteveA> something like that
[07:44] <BradB|lunch> SteveA: i dunno about regexes there though, it depends on what you want to show.
[07:45] <BradB|lunch> normally the general form is intended to be: 1. you pass back something that uniquely identifies something you want to show, 2. you leave it to the view to write the actually message, and lookup whatever it's supposed to lookup from the identifier it was given.
[07:45] <SteveA> then, in the redirect, it says  ..../+index?schema=IBugAddedRedirect&bug=123
[07:45] <SteveA> could also use the docstring of the IBugAddedRedirect schema as the message
[07:45] <SteveA> class IBugAddedRedirect(Interface):
[07:45] <SteveA>     """Bug number ${bug} has been added."""
[07:45] <SteveA>     bugnumber = Int(u"The bug number")
[07:46] <SteveA>     bug = Int(u"The bug number")
[07:46] <SteveA> (oops -- ignore 'bugnumber')
[07:46] <BradB|lunch> seeing schema=IBugAddedRedirect makes me worry a bit :)
[07:46] <SteveA> is this total CA crack ? ;-)
[07:46] <BradB|lunch> heh
[07:47] <BradB|lunch> okay, really |lunch now
[07:47] <SteveA> of course, we could use a code instead of IBugAddedRedirect
[07:47] <SteveA> like, an int
[07:48] <SteveA> but, that would be handled by the framework -- no need to see that in the code
[08:54] <sabdfl> SteveA, BradB: the View class should as a general pattern have a "messages" attribute, which is a list of messages
[08:55] <sabdfl> perhaps those could be smart enough to know what sort of message they are (info, alert, error sort of thing)
[08:55] <sabdfl> then a form can trivially iterate over those and display them
[08:55] <sabdfl> without content-injection problems
[08:58] <BradB> sabdfl: hm? I don't see how that survives redirects.
[08:59] <BradB> sabdfl: Realistically, what happens is that .nextURL gets called on the add form's view, which redirects to another URL (e.g. redirect back to the bug listing from a bug add form)
[09:02] <BradB> We need some kind of smart "IPC", I think. e.g. perhaps a status could be associated with a unique token, registered in a global utility. The global utility could store the status object + receipt in the ZODB, and pass the receipt to the nextURL. A view could then try to "pick up" a status message (like picking up something waiting for you at the post office), using the receipt. That's one idea anyway.
[09:04] <BradB> e.g.:
[09:04] <BradB> (in some method where something happens)
[09:05] <BradB> status.setInfo("congrats, something happened successfully")
[09:05] <BradB> browser_status = getUtility(IBrowserStatus)
[09:05] <SteveA> sabdfl: what I proposed is similar to what you describe above.
[09:05] <BradB> browser_status.set(status, 'some unique receipt')
[09:05] <SteveA> with the formalism of using schemas to describe messages and the allowed form of replacement text
[09:06] <BradB> then in nextURL:
[09:06] <SteveA> BradB: sounds a bit complex and heavy; could do that, though
[09:06] <BradB> return "foo?status_receipt=some+unique+receipt"
[09:07] <SteveA> another scheme entirely is to use crypto, and pass a digest along with the query string stuff
[09:07] <SteveA> foo?message=You+have+added+bug+123&digest=0x123abcde
[09:07] <SteveA> still, not a big problem at the moment.  let's chat about it next week
[09:08] <BradB> SteveA: If I check that IBugEditForm thing now (with for=), will you have any time to look into tonight/
[09:08] <SteveA> yes
[09:08] <BradB> ok, then I'll check it now
[09:14] <BradB> I expect that it's going to tell me that my view doesn't implement IBugEditForm. Let's see...
[09:16] <BradB> SteveA: Adding for="canonical.launchpad.interfaces.IBugEditForm", produced the exact same KeyError
[09:18] <BradB> SteveA: i tried implement()'ing that iface in the view class too. no dice.
[09:19] <BradB> i.e. same error
[09:19] <SteveA> okay.  is this going to be straightforward for me to reproduce on my machine?
[09:19] <SteveA> is all the necessary code checked in?
[09:20] <BradB> SteveA: no, but all the necessary code is in the email that I sent you. :)
[09:20] <BradB> I don't really want to check this in
[09:20] <BradB> lib/canonical/launchpad/zcml/bug.zcml and lib/canonical/launchpad/interfaces/bug.py are where the bits go
[09:21] <SteveA> can you mail me those files?
[09:21] <SteveA> that way I'll be sure I've got it right
[09:21] <BradB> ok
[09:21] <SteveA> I'll have a crack at this now
[09:23] <SteveA> I need to fix up that keyerror problem, anyway
[09:23] <BradB> sent
[09:24] <BradB> See, we're already doing something very similar with the bug add form (it uses IBugAddForm to create a form that includes fields that you won't find on the bug itself.) It seems though that editforms behave differently in that respect.
[09:29] <SteveA> yeah, weird
[09:29] <SteveA> it could well be a bug
[09:29] <SteveA> this part of the forms stuff is more complex than it should be
[09:30] <BradB> SteveA: I hope life gets made easier with a browser:form directive in Mataro!
[10:27] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>add infestation activity tracking (patch-940)
[10:54] <BradB> sabdfl: I just realized package maintainers are going to get spammed on bug notifications, crap.
[10:55] <BradB> e.g. I'm the debian maintainer. I don't want to get emails about to whom the bug was assigned among the redhat maintainers.
[10:59] <BradB> sabdfl: It's not a big deal I guess. The notifiers could be made more intelligent for some of the notifications (e.g. a maintainer probably wants to see CVE refs and web links and perhaps even infestations no matter the distro, whereas the *assignment stuff could be filtered to notify per-distro)
[11:17] <BradB> SteveA: any luck on the editform-fu?
[11:18] <SteveA> BradB: not yet.  popped off to eat.  I'll stare at it some more now :)
[11:36] <sabdfl> SteveA, bradb, it seems that the web page alert or message is really a message *to a person*
[11:37] <sabdfl> so this might be a useful place to use the zodb decorations
[11:37] <sabdfl> decorate the principal
[11:37] <sabdfl> "add this alert to the list of alerts for user X"
[11:37] <sabdfl> then the view can have a .messages list which give you any messages
[11:37] <sabdfl> hmm... how would messages be cleared, I wonder?
[11:38] <sabdfl> back in a few minutes
[11:39] <BradB> sabdfl: Annotations are meant to describe things, without having to alter the original content to do so. I think an average Zope 3 developer would be quite surprised to figure out that annotations were used for that.
[11:39] <BradB> sabdfl: And also, well, it's not thread safe.
[11:40] <SteveA> I think zodb annotations, and maybe the zodb in general, is a bit dodgy for status messages.
[11:40] <SteveA> but...
[11:40] <SteveA> I think the idea of a personal activity log is useful
[11:40] <SteveA> like, imagine if there's a list of stuff you've done, and when
[11:41] <SteveA> that is kept in the zodb
[11:41] <SteveA> that you can look at
[11:41] <SteveA> and a portlet that tells you the most recent 5 things
[11:41] <SteveA> and has a link to the "noun" that the thing was about
[11:41] <BradB> SteveA: Or better, yet, a not-personal activity log, perhaps.
[11:41] <SteveA> for example, if a thing is "changed status on bug 123", it is a link to bug 123
[11:41] <BradB> People seem to always want to be able to audit users.
[11:41] <SteveA> non-personal?
[11:42] <BradB> i.e. just an audit log of what people do in the site.
[11:42] <SteveA> well, sure, *we* could look at what someone has done.  could be useful for handling bug reports
[11:42] <SteveA> it would be an audit log only of completed transactions
[11:42] <SteveA> which is useful in itself
[11:42] <SteveA> but not so useful of a full audit log
[11:42] <SteveA> hey, another thing to jam on in mataro
[11:42] <SteveA> when do you leave, brad?
[11:43] <BradB> tomorrow night at 18:40
[11:43] <BradB> going for tapas with girlfriend soon :P
[11:43] <SteveA> cool
[11:43] <SteveA> where does bug.py go?
[11:43] <SteveA> it seems to have a large delta from the one in database/
[11:43] <BradB> SteveA: that files contains interfaces
[11:43] <SteveA> oh
[11:43] <SteveA> duh ;-)
[11:44] <BradB> :)
[11:44] <SteveA> should have actually read the file
[11:44] <SteveA> so, if I go to +edit on a bug I'll see the problem
[11:44] <BradB> yes
[11:45] <SteveA> one thing with malone
[11:45] <BradB> SteveA: the goal is that all edit screens on things related to a bug (including, of course, the bug itself) will have one extra little widget added to them, to capture a changelog message, and store that somewhere that isn't a bug
[11:45] <SteveA> I find the lots of "document" icons in different places very confusing
[11:46] <SteveA> like my UI renderer has left noise when I've been trying to drag and drop
[11:46] <BradB> SteveA: mark's idea :)
[11:46] <SteveA> the icons should be in front of the text
[11:46] <SteveA> not after it
[11:46] <SteveA> so they line up nicely
[11:46] <BradB> that'd help, yeah
[11:46] <SteveA> and like they are in the column header
[11:47] <SteveA> I think we need something better for "upstream"
[11:47] <BradB> SteveA: the word you mean?
[11:47] <SteveA> no, the icon
[11:47] <BradB> ah
[11:48] <SteveA> yay
[11:48] <SteveA> I have reproduced your bug
[11:49] <SteveA> okay
[11:49] <BradB> woo
[11:49] <SteveA> traverse functions need to return None, not raise KeyError
[11:49] <SteveA> so the traverse function is in error there
[11:49] <SteveA> that's the "traverse function" contract
[11:49] <SteveA> let's see what happens when I fix that
[11:50] <SteveA> okay, I now get a proper NotFound error
[11:50] <SteveA> now I need to find out why it doesn't find +edit
[11:51] <BradB> indeed, indeed
[11:51] <SteveA> can you fix the traverse function in your copy?
[11:51] <BradB> sure
[11:51] <BradB> it might break things though. i guess we'll see
[11:52] <SteveA> shouldn't do
[11:55] <SteveA> aw crap
[11:56] <SteveA> I think I've got it
[11:57] <SteveA> okay, here's what you need to do
[11:57] <BradB> !
[11:57] <SteveA> 1. register the +edit form for IBug
[11:57] <SteveA> 2. register an adapter from IBug to IBugEditForm.
[11:57] <SteveA> I suggest you use the "decorates" thing for this
[11:58] <SteveA> you know about "decorates" don't you?
[11:58] <SteveA> basically, the forms machinery doesn't really fit with what you're trying to do
[11:59] <SteveA> I think what you're trying to do is pretty reasonable, given the forms machinery
[11:59] <SteveA> we need to make this better when we work on browser:form
[11:59] <BradB> SteveA: if i were missing an adapter, i would have expected it to tell me that it couldn't find an adapter
[11:59] <SteveA> it does do
[11:59] <SteveA> when you do step 1 above


[05:31] <inetpro> sp
[05:31] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[05:45] <barrydk> More almal
[06:25] <Kilos> hi barrydk  inetpro  pieter2627  and others
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:49] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  MaNI2
[07:04] <nuvolari_> o/
[07:05] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, barrydk
[07:05] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:05] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:05] <nuvolari> oh hi nlsthzn
[07:05] <Kilos> gaanit?
[07:05] <nuvolari> dit gaan oraait dankie en met oom?
[07:05] <nlsthzn> sup all? :)
[07:05] <Kilos> redelik goed dankie
[07:06] <Kilos> we maintain here nlsthzn  and you?
[07:07] <nlsthzn> good to hear...
[07:07] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:07] <nlsthzn> I am carrying on as always
[07:07] <nlsthzn> o/
[07:07] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:07] <Kilos> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> the time zone thing is wearing me out
[07:08] <nlsthzn> big world out there :)
[07:09] <Kilos> yeah man we need to move the continents closer together
[07:09] <nlsthzn> shrink the planet
[07:09] <Kilos> nono there is already too little space
[07:23] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[07:23] <Kilos> what broke?
[07:23] <Kilos> hehe
[07:23] <arnaudmez> Eich !!!!!
[07:24] <arnaudmez> I see myself like a guy walking with a Hammer in a plate shop
[07:24] <Kilos> oh my
[07:25] <arnaudmez> :D
[07:25] <arnaudmez> nothing broken dear
[07:25] <Kilos> wonderful
[07:25] <arnaudmez> I tried Kubuntu 15.04 "Live" yesterday
[07:25] <Kilos> and?
[07:25] <arnaudmez> found it a very good alternative
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:26] <nlsthzn> so a question on the forum about cinnamon as an official flavour of ubuntu
[07:26] <nlsthzn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2277237
[07:26] <arnaudmez> I only remember the day I tried it and didn't find it good, the old KDE things was trying to look like Windows
[07:26]  * nlsthzn is installing 15.04 to break it with cinnamon shenanigens
[07:27] <Kilos> shame i never even got to look at cinnamon
[07:28] <Kilos> nlsthzn  you like playing http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[07:29] <Kilos> debian based to should be breakable for you
[07:29]  * nlsthzn is currently happy in windows land thanks... only playing with stuff in virtual machines
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:31] <arnaudmez> super lol
[07:32] <arnaudmez> someone here achieve a mediacenter setup ?
[07:32] <mazal> I have a very low key one
[07:32] <arnaudmez> by meadicenter i mean project like plex, xbmc, etc...
[07:32] <mazal> Pc to ps3 to tv
[07:32] <mazal> Nothing fancy
[07:33] <mazal> In that case nope :P
[07:33] <nlsthzn> plex works well
[07:34] <nlsthzn> stream to ouya connected to tv :)
[07:34] <mazal> Is only use ps3 media server cos I stream specifically to a ps3
[07:34] <Kilos> nlsthzn  did you watch marks keynote?
[07:35] <Kilos> soon ubuntu will work on everything
[07:35]  * mazal realizes he needs to give ps3 some love this weekend :P
[07:35] <nlsthzn> hearing this story since 2010
[07:35] <Kilos> patience
[07:36] <arnaudmez> Kilos: everthing you said ???
[07:37] <Kilos> arnaudmez  is that a question?
[07:40] <nlsthzn> is this an answer?
[07:40] <Kilos> i dont know what to say
[07:40] <Kilos> hehe
[07:41] <Kilos> late nights slow my thinking process
[07:42] <nlsthzn> why you no sleep?
[07:42] <Kilos> nlsthzn  hows the family lad?
[07:42] <Kilos> board meet at midnight
[07:42] <nlsthzn> :p
[07:42] <nlsthzn> working for free :p
[07:43] <Kilos> yeah at least when money crashes i have nothing to lose
[07:46] <Padroni> hola
[07:46] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[07:46] <Padroni> how are you?
[07:46] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:48] <arnaudmez> Kilos: yeah for you wrote "soon ubuntu will work on everything"
[07:48] <Kilos> oh yes there are big plans underfoot to make it work with all kinds of other hardware
[07:49] <Kilos> even microsoft is getting involved somewhere, i cant remember it all
[07:50] <Kilos> ill try find the link for you arnaudmez
[07:50] <nlsthzn> windows 10 is doing the same as ubuntu convergence...
[07:50] <nlsthzn> code once run on all form factors
[07:50] <Kilos> ya that convergence thing
[07:50] <arnaudmez> all this convergence thing started back in 2007
[07:50] <nlsthzn> ms calling it continuum  .
[07:51] <arnaudmez> till now they are busy moving things around
[07:54] <arnaudmez> One of the best things we have seen about this convergence is the fact MS "will be giving" W10 for "free" after years of arguing their prodcut is the best ever and can't be just offered to the peoples
[07:56] <arnaudmez> Finally we can gladly say MS is converging something to Lnx world so we can take care of it ... what a good story
[07:56] <Kilos> hehe
[07:56] <Kilos> i cant find the right link
[07:57] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:57] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:57] <Kilos> i used youtube-dl to get it
[07:58]  * Padroni would prefer Microsoft stay the hell away from Ubuntu...
[07:58] <Kilos> lol
[08:01] <arnaudmez> Padroni: you can't have such a desire fulfilled, just look out the door and you will agree with me that the only product MS can be proud of is Office ... so what to do with Win ???? Help him to swim with the best
[08:01] <Padroni> as long as they don't get involved with Ubuntu itself.
[08:01] <Padroni> They are more than welcome to copy it
[08:03] <psyatw> why would they copy Ubuntu? is that the new plan for Windows?
[08:04] <arnaudmez> Look Padroni, i like you point of view and was even thinking like that years ago "linXtremist" or "SystXtremist" thinking i call it ... they won't copy and Ubuntu is a drop of water into all this
[08:04] <Padroni> I don't know man
[08:04] <arnaudmez> a question is: Why do you support/like ubuntu ?
[08:04] <Padroni> All I know is that Windows wen from functional (win7) to full retard (win8.1) in two easy steps
[08:05] <Padroni> I am weary of MS touching Ubuntu
[08:05] <Padroni> or any flavor of linux for that matter
[08:06] <Padroni> I use Windows because I use specific software that for some reason has yet to be ported to linux
[08:06] <Padroni> (and I know about Wine and RuninLinux but it doesn't work on that)
[08:06] <Padroni> and most games I play needs windows
[08:06] <Padroni> everything else runs linux on  my side
[08:07] <arnaudmez> Padroni: lol, i've been using Win since Win98 if you can see and really the things I reproach to MS not directly to Win is the fact of claiming to bring bring Freedom when they don't and I've find that SystFreedom in Linux and hope MS will be wise enough to give or bring to life what they've promise since years to the more
[08:08] <Padroni> We seem to be on the same timeline - I've been using it since 3.1 though
[08:08] <Padroni> And I agree - time to bring some of that freedom they have been proclaiming since forever
[08:10] <arnaudmez> Even with deep deep convergence I believe systems will learn from each other and this what we can actually see over the world ... project spartan look like a fork of unity or gnome integrated services etc ... the key ? just open the door/window (depending on where you are sitted) and look out
[08:10] <Kilos> arnaudmez  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfgX-k7Hag
[08:12] <arnaudmez> Just to tell, I was using ubuntu for years 2007 to 2012 but I just came to this conclusion: what i like is solid system and not just reliable desktop system ... then I move to Fedora
[08:13] <arnaudmez> I've discovered a lot since I'm doing Fedora but still my Ubuntu desire stays
[08:24] <Kilos> im a kde user for life
[08:24] <Kilos> other flavours are for playing
[08:29] <Padroni> lol
[08:41] <arnaudmez> this was a good discussion ... really liked that
[08:42] <Kilos> yeah
[08:47] <psyatw> I used Ubuntu 10.04 when KDE 4 was still under heavy development and had lots of bugs that made it unusable
[08:47] <Kilos> 14.04 is rock stable
[08:48] <Kilos> i havent broken anything yet, touch wood
[09:00] <arnaudmez> Really I like plasma 5 more than what they've done on KDE4
[09:01] <Squirm> Oh ffs
[09:01] <Squirm> ...sorry
[09:02] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[14:06] <Jacques_StrY> Hi
[14:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[14:43] <inetpro> oh and hi Jacques_StrY
[14:43]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[14:44] <inetpro> Kilos: you survived your meeting?
[14:58] <inetpro> hmm... I wonder
[15:08] <pieter2627> afternoon inetpro
[15:28] <Kilos> evening all
[15:28] <Kilos> just caught up on some of the missed sleep inetpro
[15:55] <Kilos> inetpro  was a very lekker meeting albeit very late
[16:47] <Squirm> 'lo
[16:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[17:16] <Squirm> How's it going Kilos?
[17:17] <Kilos> good ty and you Squirm
[17:22] <Squirm> Yeah, im good
[17:22] <Squirm> it is the weekend afterall
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:31] <magespawn> good evening\
[17:31] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell magespawn I use gandi.net for all my domains" 22 hours, 4 minutes and 16 seconds ago
[17:31] <Kilos> hi my magespawn  hows you?
[17:32] <magespawn> hi Kilos good and you?
[17:32] <Kilos> good ty
[17:37] <magespawn> Maaz tell superfly thanks, but they do not seem to offer .co, or at least i cannot see it on their price list
[17:37] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell superfly on freenode
[17:46] <magespawn> hows the power now?
[17:47] <Kilos> lekker ty
[17:47] <Kilos> so now only load shedding will affect me
[17:47] <magespawn> solar and batteries
[17:48] <Kilos> too expensive, im looking at battery prices atm
[18:43] <magespawn> i am off, pretty tired, good night
[18:44] <Kilos> sleep tight magespawn
[18:54] <captine> good friday evening all
[18:58] <Squirm> Good evening captine
[19:03] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:03] <Kilos> ob bye
[19:03] <Kilos> ok
[19:10] <Squirm> :P
[19:12] <superfly> .
[19:12] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell superfly thanks, but they do not seem to offer .co, or at least i cannot see it on their price list" 1 hour, 34 minutes and 56 seconds ago
[19:12] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[19:48] <Squirm> http://www.egesa.co.za/
[19:55] <superfly> happy birthday inetpro
[19:56] <Kilos> oh my goodness.
[19:56] <Kilos> inetpro  everything of the best to you . you may lurk tonight
[20:45] <inetpro> good mornings
[20:46] <Kilos> hello birthday boy
[20:46] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:46] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[20:47] <inetpro> oh and thank you superfly the spy
[20:47] <Kilos> lol
[20:48] <inetpro> Kilos: what did I miss here today?
[20:48] <Kilos> nothing actually
[20:48] <Kilos> was a very quiet day
[20:49] <inetpro> I see so now
[20:53] <Kilos> you must have some rest this weekend inetpro
[20:53] <Kilos> and work on your wiki page when you are bored
[20:53] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[20:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


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[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Flannel: tnx
[20:46] <Pici> yeesh
[22:46] <zykotick9> _if_ someone wants to file a web page bug (sorry, i _won't_ i'm afraid - and i think it's OT for #ubuntu) but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats still links to Medibuntu for getting DVD support.  If this could be updated to point to the given http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html it would remove another reference to the now defunct medibuntu from ubuntu's website..
[22:47] <zykotick9> ^ i figure someone here might...  thanks for being ops in #ubuntu!  take care.


[19:20] <thewalker> hello world
[19:20] <thewalker> coming from ubuntu
[19:20] <thewalker> so I have 2 disks 1 is 500 GB and the other is 30TB
[19:21] <thewalker> (virtual based on hardware raid)
[19:21] <thewalker> ubuntu is installed on the 500 gb disk
[19:21] <thewalker> I want to configure microstack so that it uses the other 30 TB disk
[19:21] <thewalker> which I can mount (and later add to fstab) as needed
[19:21] <thewalker> note this is bare metal server
[19:23] <thewalker> I would appreciate any help since this this is the 7th time trying to get open(pain)stack to work closest thing I got was by devstack but it stopped working after a simple reboot :\
[19:32] <ahasenack> what is microstack?
[19:39] <thewalker> ubuntu's official openstack bundle ?
[19:44] <ahasenack> haven't installed. Two choices basically: a) check in the snap if there are options for configuring storage (might need to ask somewhere in https://discourse.charmhub.io/search?q=microstack)
[19:44] <ahasenack> b) figure out where it uses its storage, and mount your second disk there before installing microstack
[19:44] <ahasenack> symlinks usually won't work with snaps, because of apparmor
[19:45] <ahasenack> there may be a 3rd option which is to configure the storage driver of openstack to use the bigger disk, as a post-install thing. Depends on what you mean by "I want microstack to use the 30TB disk", if it's data, or the runtime
[19:45] <ahasenack> (probably data I would guess, like VMs, images, etc)
[20:45] <thewalker> @ahasenack, sorry I disconnected, last thing I caught was that symlinks wouldn't work
[20:45] <thewalker> did I miss anything
[20:45] <ahasenack> there may be a 3rd option which is to configure the storage driver of openstack to use the bigger disk, as a post-install thing. Depends on what you mean by "I want microstack to use the 30TB disk", if it's data, or the runtime
[20:46] <ahasenack> (probably data I would guess, like VMs, images, etc)
[20:47] <thewalker> yes I mean data
[20:47] <thewalker> also I am not sure if this is the right venue to report bugs, but my fresh installation of ubunu gave me error when configuring microstack with loop device
[20:47] <thewalker> " 'snapctl start microstack.setup-lvm-loopdev --enable' returned non-zero exit status"
[20:48] <ahasenack> that should probably be reported to microstack
[20:51] <thewalker> alright, I will try to do that tomorrow, back from office with more information than just 1-line


[03:42] <Shadow__X> i just did a fresh install of mythbuntu 14.04.2 and when i tried to setup mythexport it errors out
[03:43] <Shadow__X> exeption in capturestate of plugin mythexport disabling plugin
[03:43] <Shadow__X> but it still causes errors when i try to go to other parts of the app