 @gab11010, uet another possibility is the cable, perhaps it is not in perfect shape. Try different one or at least once u connect keep it perfectly still and dont even blow at it. … I had one cable that was particularly problematic. I had similar problem and had to restart the installer multiple times until it finally went all thru.
 I give it a try, thaks Kris
 @Javacookies, @malditobastardo it soumds like the very same problem you reported earlier. The feature was already working back on canonical's image and now seems lile a regression.
 Any tips for moving TextSecure from one phone to another? Should it go, 1) Put in your number to the app on new phone to activate it and 2) Copy the message history database/misc files from the old phone? In which case, which files should be copied and where are they in the phone?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qLxC0ot8/file_2949.jpg I added swappiness editor into ATU. Default value is 60 on Ubuntu. Value 0 will save your internal memory because swap will be avoided unless absolutelyneccessary.
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/all-things-ubuntu-library/files/
 @KrisJacewicz, atu?
 @vanyasem, see the link
 ok
 @Xorpad, I suddenly saw this today: https://youtu.be/efJBkSj9koo
 Good morning guys :)
 I just discovered that my phone is a time machine :)
 (booted up in the 1971)
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/5 ?
[08:01] <tgBot> <蔡 荣诠> Hi
[08:01] <tgBot> <蔡 荣诠> 吃鸡吗？
 @Seumas, no, just copy /home/phablet in full from old to new phone
 You can also use my backup function in magic device tool for that. If I have time I will make a new one during christmas, which is easier to use ;)
 @蔡 荣诠, Englisch plz
 I see Contacts App crashing on start. Does anyone esle have this problem, or is it just me?
 @KrisJacewicz, Hello everyone. Yeah the touchscreen pad bug. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/301
[09:00] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> How do I submit apps to the open store? I have created an app using the webapp creator and thought i might upload it, but what i found in the openstore app was a button that ultimately led to my github page in browser.
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/ has a "Submit" button at the top.
 That should give you instructions on how to submit, and a form to do so. You will need to log in first, though; logging in is done with the login link, and logs in either via Github or via Ubuntu (you can choose one). You use your existing account on one of those two services; you don't need to create a whole new account at the open store.
[09:10] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Okay thanks. Perhaps i will try submitting on desktop. It seems like it ends up bouncing around different login pages on the phone (i had to log into github several times).
 ah, I've never tried it on the phone itself. If there's a problem with that, @bhdouglass would likely like to know about it, and possibly the phone's browser can be worked around.
 @Rawcode, 1971 is strange. Normally it is 1970. If you get 1969, someone is having a laugh…
 @docjuhnk, You are the second. In general seems to be working though
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CEI1hHXS/file_2950.mp4
[09:44] <tgBot> <I Franci> Good morning! I was trying to use libertine trough adb but I get a 'failed getting release file http://ports... '
[09:44] <tgBot> <I Franci> What am I doing wrong?
 Remember that the ubuntu.com servers are dead and libertine is legacy
[09:48] <tgBot> <I Franci> Oh right
 I don't use libertine. Others here will be able to guide you better. Don't expect full functionality. 16.04 some if that will return
[09:51] <tgBot> <I Franci> Kk
[09:55] <tgBot> <I Franci> I was trying to install pidgin since loquiIm doesn't work (keep crashing). If someone can help I will be grateful :)
 @I Franci, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 About Loqui, probably you should prevent app suspension in ut tweak tool
 @I Franci, WhatsApp is aggressively proprietary. Don't expect anything to work, other than partially and temporarily
[10:00] <tgBot> <I Franci> @TronFortyTwo I got another problem. Keep getting decrypt error and getcontactserror
 @I Franci, Ubuntu moved ‘vivid’ release into the ‘old-release’ server. There is a workaround available on our forum ( https://forums.ubports.com/topic/792/libertine-installation-broken-on-vivid/3 ) … A patch for Libertine is in progress but I don’t know it’s current state ( @DanChapman  )
 @Flohack right but I've already started generating individual app histories for other programs on my MP5, so if it's possible to import specific things from the MX4 e.g. call history, SMS and TextSecure database that would be great.
 @Seumas, In general then its a subfolder in .config, .cache etc... look in all dot directories for the app specific data
 Excluded contacts and such, the are in a common evolution database
 Forgot the name ^^
[10:03] <tgBot> mickeywaley was added by: mickeywaley
 I Franci, I believe I was having the exact same problems as you around Weds/Thursday last week, but Rodney helped me fix them. It's about modifying the chroot container python file.
 Thanks Flo-rider ;)
 @sverzegnassi, The fix should have landed in the devel channel
 Cool! so is it going to be available with OTA-3, isn’t it?
 @I Franci, That is a known problem due to closed whatsapp protocol implementation
[10:10] <tgBot> <I Franci> @sverzegnassi thanks! I'll try
 @sverzegnassi, afaik it should. @neothethird can you confirm?
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 @TronFortyTwo, Will eat his battery
 @milkor73, When Loqui is opened yes
 @DanChapman, yes
 testers welcome, it should work on rc and devel
 👍 thanks
 Awesome!
 Note it only fixes the apt sources. I will get the latest and greatest libertine with it's new UI into xenial
 I'm reminded by OMGubuntu's 'year in review' article (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/ubuntu-2017-in-12-images) that Canonical had planned for the move to 16.04 to also be a move from armhf to arm64.  … Is that still the plan?
[10:27] <tgBot> askme765cs was added by: askme765cs
 @DanChapman, Oh that's interesting - is there an updated version somewhere? Can we take a look at the repo or a writeup or anything?
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 @padraic7a, afaik ut xenial will be still armhf
 Ok. I had thought that Canonical were looking to change arm type to make the move to snaps easier.  … I guess for UBports the move to 16.04 is more about being on an LTS and just keeping up?
 And that snaps are a future issue?
 @padraic7a, A subject for debate still I think
 @padraic7a, github.com/ubports/libertine
 Thanks!
[10:49] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> I have a question: i am using the nexus 5 on stable. is there any workaround for the call volume bug: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/137 ?
 You can change it during a call
[10:57] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> hmm using the buttons has no effect.
[10:57] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> i tried it with uvolman and it also had no effect on the volume
 @padraic7a, yes. Atm the future of snap on ut isn't defined. We'll see
 @TronFortyTwo, Ok, interesting, thanks for that.
 np
 Hi :) Yesterday my Nexus 5 with UT died, so I want to use the MX4 with UT from UBPorts. At the Moment there is the UT from Meizu and Canonical on it. My question is, how does the MX4 work with the actual version of UBPorts?
 @Ben, What happened ?
 @Hannes Lindner, Did you try first to sett with uVolume? During call does not work in any OS very well
 The Motherboard died, so there is no function anymore
 @Ben, Should work fine
 how old was your late Nexus 5? … now I'm worried, I just bought a 2nd hand one 😁
 I also bought it second hand 2 years ago.
 @Ben, I suggest you use Magic Device Tool
 I used both mdt and the installer from UBPorts.
 @Ben, I mean with the MX4
 @Ben, the MX4 works perfectly, just as (if not better) then the old canonical version
 @mariogrip, Ok thanks :)
 @Stereofont, I will look :) Maybe I will try it with the Installer :)
 And then with the mdt
 Does it run android now?
 No
 UT from Meizu
 ah ok :) then the switch should be simple
 the installer has a switch function, so it will save all data and apps
 @mariogrip, Ok very nice :)
 Thanks :)
 :)
 I have another question. Where can I get some ubports Stickers? :)
 @Ben, right now it's only https://www.patreon.com/ but we are planing a shop sometime later
 Ok at the moment I am a 20€ patreon
 @Ben, ah! could you send us a message there with your address and we will send some stickers to you right away :)
 @mariogrip, And liberapay 😂
 @Stereofont, And that :)
 @mariogrip, Ok thanks :)
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 Ah, I see you're coming from the chinese lang group? Then, welcome to the Supergroup 😄
 @Army King, welcome!
 @Army King, Welcome :)
 @蔡 荣诠, Here is a link to the Chinese group:  … Chinese - 这里有中文 https://t.me/UBports_Chinese
 @padraic7a, arm64 is not supported by all phones, so we could only do it as a second option. And currently we are totally swamped with the 32bit image, so we need more time for such keen ideas ;) - So yes, 16.04 is primarily needed to bring us back on supported LTS
 @Flohack, About this, i added arm64 support to the build server 2 days ago! https://github.com/ubports/build-tools/commit/b83a1d0182caad157da8f520899904d725806b86 but we need to update our jenkinsfiles on the different projects
 and amd64 so we can build unity8 for desktop
 cool
 @mariogrip, Very nice :)
 @mariogrip, Nice
 here is an examle i did with mir https://ci.ubports.com/blue/organizations/jenkins/ubports%2Fmir/detail/artful/7/pipeline
 @mariogrip, yay! :D
 (Sticker, 499x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0rTwImuB/file_2953.webp
 @popescu_sorin, Once i get some time i will try getting unity8 to work on artful :) (with qt 5.9) :D
 Are you already porting to artful for the time after xenial?
 or is that for the desktop only?
 yay! artful is like 17.10? can't remember :D
 i'm still using xenial
 @JBBgameich, this aint an LTS right?
 oh right, it's 17.10
 We will not go for non-LTS
 bionic is 18.04
 xenial 16.04
 It makes no sense to put so much pressure for no features
 Plus no unity8 inside
 We ned a good plan after 16.04 ^^
 bionic is a nice confusing name ... Android c lib and ubuntu at the same time
 who would compile a beaver anyway?
 hehe yeah :)
 @JBBgameich, it's just to get it to build, notthing more
 and maybe see if it works
 @Flohack, The UBports github account already looks like most packages including unity8 are already built by your ci
 but why that, is because that has no upstart, so it's a good target to test on
 @popescu_sorin, Jep
 Btw, I tried to fix hybris-boot + upstart https://github.com/Halium/hybris-boot/pull/21
 I haven't tested it, but it could work ...
 @JBBgameich, Well putting it into Jenkins and making a usable release are 2 different things. We need tons of QA to get unity8 running on 18.04 I assume
 Its already wonky in 16.04
 Thats why we need so much time to get forward with it, every major Ubuntu release has a potential to break the phone completly
 @Flohack, Yunit had it working on artful I think. The problem was that unity8 didn't like gcc7 that much Afaik
 @JBBgameich, humm are you sure /target/lib/systemd/systemd does not exist on a upstart system? sinc you can have systemd installer but use upstart (like ubuntu touch has)
 I can change the systemd test there ... Maybe init —version | grep systemd would work too
 is the systemd or only the libsystemd0 package installed in ubuntu touch
 @JBBgameich, belive that was Zesty
 @mariogrip, Oh, maybe I'm wrong
 problem with artful is there is no upstart
 (in the repos9
 and unity8 heavy uses upstart, even to start apps
 I'm currently building an Ubuntu touch image to check for the existence of /lib/systemd/system ...
 you can also just download the rootfs
 from ci
 or i can check it for you
 @JBBgameich, jep that's there
 @JBBgameich, both `/lib/systemd/system` and `/lib/systemd/systemd`
 maybe `if [ $(readlink $INIT) == /lib/systemd/systemd ]` would work
 ```phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ readlink /sbin/init … upstart```
 that's what it gives now
 it just says "upstart" no path or anyting
 oh ...
 I need to try on a systemd system
 on my debian it returns `/lib/systemd/systemd`
 ```mariogrip@mariogrip-laptop:~$ readlink /sbin/init  … /lib/systemd/systemd```
 yeah same for my laptop
 would using grep in the initrd work?
 if busybox has it yes
 i belive it has
 since i have been using grep in recovery before
 Ok, but it would work like I said above anyway, because we check if it's this systemd path, and if not, it doesn't matter anyway
[12:52] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> @milkor73, i don
 yeah
 Do you know if I should add the same check here https://github.com/Halium/hybris-boot/blob/master/init-script#L370 too?
 @JBBgameich, yeah probobly
 sorry to interrupt, so how about the doublet-tap-to-wake? that was just a tease? LOL
 @JBBgameich, but is it best to check if systemd is there, would it not be better to check if upstart is there that way it will always fallback to systemd and not to upstart
 well thinking about it, systemd will work anyway without —log thingy
 ^^
 Is `--log-target` needed for any debugging or really useless
 Just useless I suppose
 Nice, that makes the whole thing a lot easier :)
 (Sticker, 512x490) https://irc.ubports.com/EzObRwW5/file_2954
 😂
 I guess `--log-level=debug` does also not work with upstart?
 @JBBgameich also while you're at it please update commit message to include actual discussion and not the telegram group link..
 (what if telegram disappears etc etc)
 Ok, we had telegram outages yesterday, so let's better be careful :)
 I haven't had the time to touch the Upstart stuff again, unfortunately. It seems like there's another issue that prevents SSH from starting correctly on the second or later boot of the image.
 The pull request description already contains the important points, can you just use squash & merge to include it into the commmit message or should I really change the commit message?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I've theory btw... Let's talk about it later..
 You bet
 @JBBgameich, You have commit right.. just squash and merge it
 So authorship is not get lost
 Everything ok now? … https://github.com/Halium/hybris-boot/pull/21
 Ignore my comment... I didn't see commit message
 Just PR description
 @mariogrip, migration to systemd was nearly done in april, but also we were removing click support and migrating to snaps too. which is of course problematic for ubports
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/d0lSxxL6/file_2955.mp4
 That was a miss tap
 @UniversalSuperBox, eh
 not possible to automate click migration to snap regarding apps ?
 @dohbee, So what would be the best general approach in your opnion? try and re-integrate upstart or move all the unity8/app related jobs to systemd?
 Right now we're just carrying on using Upstart
 @lduboeuf, No, Snaps don't support all of the "outlets" that clicks did
 yet
 ok, i understand
 still interesting .. there is some sort of android bootloader support in snapd
 also simon fels did some experiments to get ubuntu core boot with snapd on mako but that does not address the above
 Ubuntu Touch on Ubuntu Core never happened, though
 So there's a lot of work there
 @matv1, upstart will be ok for 16.04, using some of the older code in the u8 stack. which will hold up until 2021 at least
 @anpok, there would be a lot bigger issues to address than just systemd, to move to ubuntu-core for primary rootfs, too
 snappy is really not good for phones at this point, anyway
 @anpok, Packaging all the kernels as snap would currently not make the life of the developers easier.
 @JBBgameich, i would disagree, but there are much bigger problems beyond that
 @dohbee, Do you think that is likely to change at all, or will it have to be UBports that create any changes?
 @padraic7a, i doubt it will change, given canonical having no more interest in it
 I thought moving to 16.04 was hard enough. All this stuff about changing architecture, changing init daemon, changing packaging, etc. reminds me of shooting the dragon in "Guards" Guards!"
 Sure, makes sense. so do you think the work done until April will essentially be lost?
 I don't think this discussion will immediately change anything in our short-term strategy, and I don't really see any harm in the long-term dreaming. :)
 no, the systemd stuff is very relevant
 Ok, that's all interesting to know.
 @alan_griffiths, Here at UBports we never say no to challenges :) But these are changes that need to happen at some point, upstart is forexample removed on next lts (bionic)
 but it's long-term things, but the faster it's fixed the more we can focuse on other thing
 Snappy is something to review in the future. Currently, the early adopters (including Mir) are still identifying issues that need to solved for everyone.
 @alan_griffiths, Yeah snappy proboly wont happen anytime soon for us, but snap apps might not be that far off
 system-image does work pretty well for us so far
 I'm trying to replace Canonical Ubuntu by UBports system on an E5 HD, but I can't boot in bootloader/fastboot mode by pressing Power & Volume + ... nothing seems to happen, the phone carry on starting as usual. Is there any detailed help about this ?
 @xdequinze, if you enable developer mode you can do `sudo adb reboot bootloader` from your laptop/desktop
 @xdequinze, also if you use the UBports installer, it will handle all the reboots needed
 @mariogrip, if you enable dev mode you can just flash and preserve data, without needing to go to fastboot
 @xdequinze, also for the bq devices, I belive you need to hold power and vol-up and vol-down
 Ok, I will try this now, thank you Marius
 And Rodney, better if can preserve data
 i think ubports installer can do that, right @mariogrip ?
 Yes, the ubports install will keep all data and apps
 Unless you click wipe :)
 (do NOT click wipe)
 The phone displays "=> FASTBOOT mode..." and the ubports installer seems to be running but with the message saying "Please connect your device with an usb cable"
 Have you already clicked on "Install" or is this the first screen?
 I clicked on Switch
 After the installer detecting the 15 system
 Hmm.
 Which version are you running? 0.1.9? Snap or AppImage?
 snap
 How much time does normally take the job ?
 Do you have ADB installed on that computer via the `android-tools-adb` package?
 I've found some really strange behavior of the installer and I don't know why it happens.
 I'll see
 But could I get you to download the AppImage from https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases and try to run through that?
 If it doesn't work, then run it from the terminal rather than double-clicking
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 For now, I see the following in the terminal : debug: correct password … debug: fastboot: wait for device … debug: Running platform tool exec asar cmd echo cornet199 | sudo -S fastboot devices
 I see that my pass is on ...
 Yeah, that's not great logging
 no ;-)
 Fastboot isn't finding the device even though it's in fastboot.
 Yeah, could you try the AppImage? At least it'll add some credibility to the bug report I'm going to put in
 I installed the package
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yep, then grab another installer binary
 I'm trying to reboot in bootloader mode as asked by the installer
 After rebooting : i see => FASTBOOT mode...
 Is there a difference between fastboot and bootloader mode ?
 Nope
 That's running the installer from the AppImage from the terminal?
 yes
 Hmm. Now why won't it detect that
 I'm in a different state
 @xdequinze, Could you do `fastboot devices` on the host?
[16:16] <CBugDCoder> I have a question I wont be getting a smartphone for a few years but when I do I would like to get a Ubuntu touch phone I live in the US will it be on US devices by 2020?
 The Nexus 5 works in the US
[16:18] <CBugDCoder> ok I looked and it said that it only works on AT&T and T-Mobile will that be expanded in the future or is it a hardware limitation?
 Sorry, It was not the AppImage installer.  I try to reboot for it now
 Rebooted but still not detected
 Hmm, let me explain. The installer won't detect my device in fastboot if I run the AppImage by double-clicking it. I have `adb` and `fastboot` installed on my host. If I run the AppImage from the terminal, installation runs normally
 Command fastboot device gives
 UA000237    fastboot
 fastboot devices
 Okay
 I'll try it again starting it from the terminal
 Waiting for device
 I see this error
 Which one?
 debug:  Error: Command failed: adb -P 5038 shell echo 1 … error: no devices/emulators found …     at ChildProcess.exithandler (child_process.js:217:12) …     at emitTwo (events.js:106:13) …     at ChildProcess.emit (events.js:194:7) …     at maybeClose (internal/child_process.js:899:16) …     at Socket.<anonymous> (internal/child_process.js:342:11) …     at emitOne (events.js:96:13) …     at Socket.emit (events.js:191:7) …     at
[16:28] <tgBot> _onclose] (net.js:510:12)
 I mean, what else does it say?
 And i have Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.36
 That's okay. Can you manually select your device?
 yes
 selected
 I'm invited to connect the device  with an usb cable
 at the bottom of the window
 Ubuntu 17.10?
 yes
 but ready to install at the top
 do I need 16.04 ?
 That's the thing, the installer should be agnostic
 I've got my 17.10 installation updating right now
[16:32] <tgBot> PalmCentro was added by: PalmCentro
 https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5
 Is it compatiable with the hammerhead?
 Yes, hammerhead is the Nexus 5
 Hello @PalmCentro and welcome.
 @UniversalSuperBox, There's two varients, just wanted to make sure.  … Thanks
 @Crash_Burn, Thanks
 Anyone using poeditor.com? I have problems getting all my organizations listed for selection.
 @nfsprodriver, UMatriks
 @LarreaMikel
 @milkor73 , @nfsprodriver is the owner of the uMatriks translation project.
 Aha
 Thx
 @wayneoutthere , I was wrong 😱
 (Photo, 1280x692) https://irc.ubports.com/p02s89aa/file_2957.jpg
 @CBugDCoder, 2020 is the deeeep future
 Is there anywhere the files that I can manually flash the files instead of using the installer?
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 @PalmCentro, Hello Motty. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome …  LOL
 @UniversalSuperBox, He can still join the Welcome Room lol
 does that mean he's about to jump?
 No, it means that UDF won't work
 @Crash_Burn, Lol
 The windows app doesn't seem to work....
 @Stereofont, Where's that?
 @PalmCentro, Can you run it with admin privileges?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Doing it now
 We have the Welcome Room so that this room doesn't go into meltdown with install stuff. Link in the welcome link
 let's get a mob going.... … DOWN WITH WINDOWS!! … ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
 @wayneoutthere, nah
 yeah you're right
 borrrring
 nothing could excite me less
 Update: run the AppImage with `sudo` from the terminal on Ubuntu 17.10, it works much better.
 ok ... in the meantime, I tried the magic-device-tool which is working
 I'm waiting for the install to be finished
 A good choice
 Thanks a lot for your help
 The installer is defintely a beta product, but it's getting better all the time
 I'll try it next time with a new phone. I'm waiting for a new fairphone
 It seems to be working very well ... I'll be back soon ;-)
 Thank you
 No problem! You helped me get on the case to the workaround
 @UniversalSuperBox, it has worked well for me
[18:51] <tgBot> alan_morford was added by: alan_morford
 Hello. Anyone using a Nexus 5 with UT in the US? I have a question about uNav.
 @alan_morford, not any more, but i used to
 @alan_morford, I use it.. works well enough.
 I tested it against Wayz and my gps to see how it did.  I was impressed, I could probably use it on its own.
 @alan_morford, It uses IP data for an initial fix, then moves to GPS. If you are in an area not well mapped it will stall
 A database selector would be useful maybe
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/U1hBsZmf/file_2959.jpg
 I suppose the middle of Kansas is a not well mapped area.
 Thank you for the replies.
 Oh, that'd be a permission setting
 Are you on Ubports version
 yeah that's a local issue
 Let me boot this phone again...
 Thought so too but it's enabled.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: To add, location data will only be as good as the Mozilla Location data around you.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: To improve it, you can download and run the Mozilla Stumber app for Android.
 Did you give it permission in Settings > Security and Privacy > App Permissions > Location?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nFhQCa2j/file_2961.jpg
 Try outside first and wait a while
 No, permission denied is different
 Sounds crazy, but have you rebooted the device since you gave it permission?
 What version of UBports are you using?
 Yes I'm on ubports version. Installed last night.
 Stable, rc or devel?
 is your phone on the latest radio firmware?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/z0UjIesC/file_2963.jpg
 @alan_morford, When it happens, just reboot should be fine
 Have you tested if it works for Weather?
 One at a time, folks
 It worked immediately for weather
 @UniversalSuperBox, hehehe :)
 I have rebooted but I can uninstall and reinstall and reboot if that'll help.
 Had you updated to the latest version of Android before installing Ubuntu Touch?
 No just a reboot should help
 I was on the last update sent to the nexus 5 before they eoled
 Okay, cool.
 OK I'll reboot
 Brb
 The creator of Unav is aware of such issue, according to him its related to the operating system itself.  "I will do everything UBports tells me"  !!!  🤣
 Haha well the reboot worked great. Sigh. Next I'll reboot first and then ask questions...
 Yay!
 During the acquisition, lift the right arm and the left leg !
 I've had some great success with bluetooth testing today. Pebble watch works great, music streaming was perfect, and it connected fine with my car but wow was the audio distorted! It sounded like their voice was coming through a distortion pedal! What gives?
 <runs out to reboot car>
 Your bluetooth car has an issue, please buy another one.
 heheh.
 But seriously, we have a very old version of bluez. It's not great.
 I have also one question. I tried to print a photo at a shop machine connecting the phone with usb and MTP. No success. I had my phone with screen on , but did not interconnect. Any ideas
 Oneplus One?
 N5
 devel
 Hmm. In that case, I don't know
 @UniversalSuperBox, Depends of the phone. Nexus 4 with cannonical ut, it was possible to handle a call, with the n5 and ubports impossible.
 Many of my bluetooth issues are fixed on xenial, i can now forexample connect to my car with xenial :)
 With pc at home no problem
 @UniversalSuperBox, In order to get a decent support i think only the bluez shipped with ubuntu 17.10 is ok for public use. Not use how is easy to backport it to xenial.
 @milkor73, Most places you can upload online and collect. Not really your question though…
 Thanks Kévin. How about low call volume?
 @alan_morford, I think a bug fix is ongoing, but i don't have it on mine.
 @milkor73, don't plug your phone into public usb terminals? :)
 Alright thanks all.
 @mariogrip, Even with my desktop xenial i've some issue to connect my bluetooth speaker. I could only do it by cli; bluetoothclt. It went straight forward under 17.10.
 @Stereofont, Yes, it was to print in that moment, not with internet uploads.
 @dohbee, That is also very good point, you are right
 @milkor73, Upload it to their web standing in their shop 😂
 @Ern_st, did you try the xenial-backports repo?
 @mariogrip, and/or xenial-updates
 seems to be a bluez in xenial-updates https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/bluez
 Another evidence we, me have to keep learning to use our smartphones safely
 On my desktop yes. Seems that cannonical focus on bluetooth during the 17.10 to be more userfriendly.
 @mariogrip, i've been good connected to my earpiece bluetooth thing with N4 for a long time now.  The hangup button doesn't work but calls work enough to not get a ticket for distracted driving.  that's illegal in Canada. What's up with that?  When i was a kid I used to use my laptop, ham radio, and texting while drinking coffee and eating a muffin - and no one ever complained!
 Now I can't even hold a phone up to my ear and chat while driving.
 On xenial via the gui i can pair the bluetoot h speaker but not connect it, i need to follow a procedure through bluetoothcl to pair & connect
 Where is the best place to chat about folks preferred paps for UT?
 Apps
 Here or at OpenStore group
 The canonical veraion of the twitter webapp seems to be the only one that notifies. True for everyone? No client like telegram to speak of for twitter?
[19:38] <tgBot> <Miguel Gutiérrez> (Voice, 1s)https://irc.ubports.com/y8yddsb0/file_2964
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/login
 @alan_morford, correct. twitter notifications are done via polling. best to turn it off anyway, to save battery
 Fair enough
 push notifications would require twitter to implement stuff on their server
 so far only telegram was willing to do that :-/
 And it works well it seems. Even though the odd old message notifies from time to time it seems.
 @alan_morford, In order to get instant push notifications for a service, that service has to cooperate; that is, Twitter would have to explicitly support ubports, and they do not. However, you can work around this in a couple of ways. One is to have the service send you email on new messages, if they're prepared to do that; you'll then get an email notification at least, which is better than nothing. A second, which is a bit more shonky but
[19:42] <tgBot> help, is to use IFTTT to get notifications from the service (if IFTTT supports it) and then send those messages as push notifications to your phone via Caxton. (This is a bit more technical to do.)
 @milkor73, +1 convenience v. security
 @stuartlangridge, but your e-mail server would need to support push on ubuntu too
 perhaps, yeah. Or perhaps you've already got Dekko polling (which it can do efficiently with IMAP IDLE, I believe). Or you use ifttt and caxton to push your emails 😊
 so then you're back to polling gmail, or you run your own mail server and implement push notifications
 well IDLE doesn't work when the app is stopped :)
 sure, if you have another machine you want to leave a browser running on all the time
 @Ern_st, I can plug a cable to my car speakers 😂
 @Stereofont, I just bought one of these at the store today... no kidding! :)
 I tried using the gmail webapp on iOS, a while ago (this is before there was web push, although now that there is, Ubuntu (and iOS) still don't support it). I used Boxcar — external service — to poll my email and send me iOS push notifications. IFTTT+Caxton can do the same thing on Ubuntu phones, although the procedure is clunkier than I'd like.
 @stuartlangridge, I was looking at how to implement web push a few weeks ago, but it's kind of an awful mess
 it requires a lot of stuff that the Ubuntu browser doesn't do
 well, even if the ubuntu browser did do it, having the browser running constantly to be able to get push notifications, is a bit much
 Making the browser be an excellent modern browser would solve quite a few issues, as more places adopt PWAs (Twitter does push notifications to the web now, for example) but that's a lot of work, which the resources are just not there for.
 One doesn't keep the whole browser running. Just something akin to the ubuntu push helper. (And in fact it might even be doable by the Ubuntu push helper, if the ubports push server became web push compliant.)
 it would be a reasonably large, but not insurmountable, amount of work to actually do the push stuff. The bigger issue is providing support for it in the browser object model, which is more dificult if you're not a browser engineer.
 @stuartlangridge, one does keep the browser running, because of XSS, and that's exactly how web push works in chromium/firefox.
 nah. Chrome runs the chrome core process so that push notifications work, but you don't need any windows open. And that's only on desktop; it doesn't need to be running at all on Android.
 and because of confined webapps, on ubports, you'd need N instances continuing to run
 naw. The push client is privileged. It can take care of receiving for all web apps and then dispatch only to the relevant one, starting that one if need be.
 how?
 you'd have to reimplmeent service worker support in chromium, afaict
 which is easier if you can type and spell correctly
 yup.
 but still, by no means easy to do. plus the matter of getting rid of oxide in webbrowser-app i guess
 That's why I said "The bigger issue is providing support for it in the browser object model" :)
 I don't know if SW support is in modern Chromium Embedded Framework, whcih is what Oxide is based on.
 well, so is brave, right?
 well oxide needs to go away anyway
 and get replaced by qtwebengine or something
 that'll be a very unfun project for somebody :)
 well, less so than updating oxide to latest chromium
 @Miguel Gutiérrez, you pocketed us!
 who made that term.. 'pocketed'? Was that @dohbee ?  I like...
 i don't recall
 Document Viewer by Stefano Verzegnassi doesn't really offer any more functionality than Beru, Libreoffice Writer, Gedit and Document Viewer aka EVINCE (desktop program which seems independent from it's click namesake), right? Uninstalling it would be good for saving storage.
 do you mean the core app that's installed by default?
 Document Viewer can view quite a few formats by itself that the others either can't, or can only do when all installed in concert.
 it can do odt
 removing things that are installed by default doesn't save any disk space
 I don't think it's a core app as it isn't on my Pro 5 and I don't remember uninstalling it on that device.
 Stuart, such as which formats?
 it's the core app
 Why isn't it on the MP5 then?
 all core apps aren't installed by default
 rather, it seems to be a fork of the fork of the core app
 "core apps" here means the core set of apps that was developed for the phone by ubuntu devs
 like clock/calendar/terminal/filemanager/docviewer/browser
 Right, but wouldn't uninstalling it clear it's cache at least?
 no
 i don't think uninstalling removes app data in ~
 at least, it didn't used to, and generally should not
 if the app is installed by default though, then it's in a readonly part of the system, so uninstalling the app will hide it from view, but not delete the files
 Back to the drawing board then. I just can't figure out why running a video from the SD card in VLC clogged up the main storage.
 no idea about vlc
 If it was opened via content-hub, it's because every file gets copied before opening
 yeah there is that
 So how do I find that copied file and purge it?
 i don't recall if it copies to cache or data dir
 @UniversalSuperBox?
 but `du -sh` would help pinpoint i guess
 Honestly I have no idea
 ie `du -sh ~/.local/share/`
 For all we know there might be many copied files and my actual storage is much greater than the nominal readout.
 vs `du -sh ~/.cache/*vlc*`
 Ok I'll give that a whirl
 Also if there was a setting to help clear these files automatically after time = X, that would help especially for novice users (I'm not one though :P).
 well really, content-hub should just not do that
 The copy behaviour you mean?
 yes, unless it's absolutely necessary to do so, that shouldn't happen
 but alas
 @Seumas, As far as I'm aware: PDF, Word .doc, Word .docx, text, LibreOffice presentations, PowerPoint... basically, anythnig that LibreOffice can open, the document viewer can, I believe.
 Something to fix or otherwise investigate with critical priority after OTA3 then.
 along with all the other critical priority things
 In the original Ubuntu Touch design, removing an app also removed any storage, and what you're describing is exactly the reason why — that it's basically the only way for non-technie people to "clear the cache" of an app's files. However, lots of techie people hate this idea, so there was always a big tension between the two approaches, and I'm honestly not sure either what Ubuntu Touch actually ended up doing, nor whether Ubports has chan
[20:24] <tgBot> decision.
 @stuartlangridge, it never actually did this.
 cache is one thing and generally ok to delete
 however, actual data is not ok to delete
 if you uninstall the camera app, would you expect all your photos to now be gone too?
 that's why you can't uninstall the camera app 😉
 But I certainly accept there's an argument there
 there are more than one camera app
 However, if you uninstall an app, would you expect that a bunch of stuff you downloaded with it still takes up loads of space on your disk and which you have no sensible way of deleting?
 there are arguments both sides, here.
 also, i'm pretty sure camera is uninstallable
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.camera
 @stuartlangridge, yes, if that data was created of my will
 afaik, we never actually shipped any clicks that were flagged removable=false
 loving that new Open Store web design, eh???
 no
 no.
 i searched for "camera" and it said "no results" and immediately sent me back to the front page
 oh, that part
 ok forget about that
 the rest!
 i only found the camera app by noticing it in the massive sea of icons
 sweet. then it worked
 worked as well as cement shoes
 besides we all download and install 100% of the apps so who cares if it's searchable???
 Do you like my joking question marks????? … or do they bug you????
 Interesting points.
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo du -sh ~/.local/share/ … [sudo] password for phablet:  … 1.6G    /home/phablet/.local/share/
 you don't need to run that with sudo
 use `~/.local/share/*` to see where all the data is
 Decided to because the non-root command didn't have permission to look in the libertine-container.
 that's in ~/.cache/ though
 which is why i put the "*vlc*" in the example command
 so you wouldn't waste time having the thing try to read the container
 oh wait
 are you running vlc via libertine?
 Yes I am.
 oh
 then yeah i think content-hub has to copy the data
 Right because when I tried your du -ssh ~/.cache/*vlc*, No such file or directory.
 yeah, i thought there was a vlc app in open store maybe, and that's what you meant
 Oh hell no, if only, then we might have been able to circumvent the whole vlc-plugin-sdl workaround to actually run video on the desktop.
 *run video in the desktop app
 But ok. What should my next steps be?
 actually, what is the appid for vlc? `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` should show it, and you can grep for your container name in the output to limit the results
 What should the command be, ubuntu-app-launch-appids grep | vivid?
 | grep vivid
 Gotcha.
 Output is vivid_vlc_0.0
 ok, `du -sh ~/.local/share/*vlc*` then
 should give a result
 likely, that is where the files are copied to
 Is Dekko still the best email client? Doesn't seem to notify.
 Output only prints a listing for vlc-control, a remote control app for VLC on desktops/laptops.
 oh, hmm
 Can we just search for .mp4 files in the internal storage and that'll give the answer?
 Tbh I thought Gallery might show the clone(s), but that's probably only for vids run via the default Media Player.
 @alan_morford, are you using dekko2?
 that one is able to do notify
[21:00] <tgBot> <Miguel Gutiérrez> @wayneoutthere, hahahaha, sorry. It was my son.
 @Seumas, right, gallery doesn't know about things that aren't in the mediascanner db, and i don't recall what all it's looking at exactly
 Aha, ran find . -type f -name "*.txt"
 And we have a hit under ./.cache/vivid/HubIncoming/1/
 ah
 Or rather *.mp4
 Ok, removed a.mp4, a .mov, a .wav, all hefty, System Settings->Storage now says back to 1.4GB.
 Phew!
 Ah I wasn't because the description of the app makes it sound pretty alpha
 I'll give it a try
 Oh does UT recognize LTE or only show 4G instead?
 4g is lte
 The apn settings confused me as it seems there's a way to set separate apns for LET and internet+mms
 Lte
 So is this redundant ?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/gAAWWrhs/file_2966.jpg
 i don't know about the APN settings
 4g and lte is a lovely confusing mess of marketing hype
 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=4g+vs+lte&t=hf&ia=web
 By removing several copied media files in this fashion, I'm now down to a respectable 2.1GB free. Could I ask that this fix procedure be placed on the ubports wiki or some other documentation? So people know for future.
 well, it's a wiki, so i presume you could add it :)
 you could probably ask a question on askubuntu, and answer it, too
 Ok. When I get round to it. Just not sure where to put it exactly.
 yeah, i don't know either
 Dekko 2 looks nice. I had to trick it to get the keyboard to show up. Now I cant get it to show to draft an email. Bummer. What do you all use for email?
 Would be a good FAQ, "My system storage is rapidly filling up and IDK why?" "Oh well it's probably..."
 @Seumas, LOL... noted... and added :)
 If not sarcasm, wunderbar, but it's sarcasm innit :*\
 faq everything!
 Also as I alluded to yesterday, tests suggest that copying the file to /tmp/ will avoid these phantom copies, so is a good solution if you aren't running lots of other memory processes and the file you paste doesn't itself break the limits of your RAM.
 One question is the installer working for "grouper"
 ?
 no
 That is Nexus 7 wifi
 grouper is not supported
 it is nexus 7 2012
 damn it that is sad
 thank you @dohbee
 np
 @Seumas, Its great but still I need a proper PDF viewer for UT
 I often receive PDF with password that doesnt work in my phone
 or when I try to view a PDF file its just so slow
 sounds like a missing feature in docviewer
 Beru?
 Beru is only an ePub reader
 Ah.
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 @stuartlangridge Hi Stuart, I am back with some feedback regarding WIFITransfer, unfortunately I cannot connect, another problem is the size of provided connection details, to small. I can see in file manager Wifitransfer,when I click on to open after some time announces impossible to acces due to long time without any activity. Sending images bellow.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/DInl2XH5/file_2972.jpg
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/Faw1s2nE/file_2975.jpg
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/uH0PHXGL/file_2976.jpg
 I noticed myself that the details are rather small...
 I tried also with Filezila, but also without any succes
 I remember it worked very well in the past
 Sorry for not coming with feedback already yesterday, I forgott
 Question: are you a developer?
 no, I am just welcomer,and user
 @Crash_Burn, Thanks! List stumbled into this supergroup following a link in the other UBports telegram group...
 No problem... feel free to stick around.  This is the "main" UBports Telegram group (english).
 @milkor73, Ok. Ignore the automatically visible “WifiTransfer on Ubuntu Phone” option. Instead, set WifiTransfer to “File Mgr”, and then try (your translation of) “Connect to Server” in your file manager on your desktop, and add the details that WFT suggests?
 Although I think this is a bug and my fault, not yours...just that if I’m right it will be hard to fix.
 My laptop lost now the Wifi, fixing and will try again with connect to server
 @alan_morford, I have the same problems, that the keyboard isnt showing up. I use the dekko 1 @alan_morford
 Who do I have to ask nicely to have Ubports phones advertise their name on zeroconf, as Ubuntu desktops do? :)
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/VqQ7H6R8/file_2978.jpg
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/NJ0b0txb/file_2980.jpg
 No success, clicking on: connect, the window disappears and I see only white screen
 samba 😆
 i wasted 3 hours configuring it yesterday at work
 You gained 3 hours of experience with Samba yesterday at work
 I had no idea why didn't it work and then I had no idea why it did
 @Flohack when i send a image with telegram and changing from gsm to wifi while uploading, a restart of tg and deleting the image messages is necessary to get it working again
 To send images :)
 @nanu_c, Yes its known bug already ^^
 Also attachments will fail like this, also downloads are only partial then
 and uploads never finish
 @milkor73, Gosh darn it. Ok. I’m not sure how best to fix this, I’m afraid, because it’s hard to tell exactly what the issue is.  Perhaps you can tell me your computer’s IP address? It can be found in the Network menu on Ubuntu, in “connection info”.
 @stuartlangridge, <IP_ADDRESS>
 Could it affect my connection is 5Ghz?
 @milkor73, Ok. My theory about why it’s not working is disproved. It shouldn’t matter which wireless speed you’re using. I’m afraid I don’t know what the fix is, and my apologies for that. I’ll have a think and see what I can come up with for solutions. Again, sorry.
 OK, no hurry and neither apologies, would be nice somebody else here would also try to be sure it is not something weird on my laptop
 @nanu_c, Yeah I have to trick it by going to a different app and bringing up the keyboard and then going back to dekko 2.


[00:00] <JanC> mark7: adding it to the kernel parameters is the way to go
[00:03] <JanC> you can do that by adding it in /etc/default/grub of course (if you are on Ubuntu, at least)
[00:34] <mark7> Yup.  All right, thanks.


[01:13] <sonofall> Aynone know how to get the wifi working on fresh install?
[01:13] <sonofall> using broadcom
[01:13] <sonofall> i don't see "wifi in the connections" tab
[01:15] <sonofall> 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4359]
[01:18] <sonofall> nvm
[01:18] <sonofall> got it
[01:18] <bazhang> !broadcom
[05:27] <Chonto> hi
[05:28] <glitchd> hi
[05:28] <Chonto> i am downloading my first linux distro today to put on my pc at work
[05:29] <glitchd> congrats?
[05:29] <LookingForAHand> Hey
[05:29] <glitchd> yessum?
[05:29] <Chonto> is xubuntu good for first timers?
[05:29] <glitchd> sure
[05:29] <Chonto> \o/
[05:30] <glitchd> LookingForAHand, ive got 2, whats up?
[05:30] <LookingForAHand> kek
[05:30] <Chonto> only 2?
[05:30] <Chonto> you're practically disabled
[05:31] <glitchd> you seem slightly mutated..
[05:31] <LookingForAHand> Legit though, I've been having a lot of trouble with the Xubuntu installer as of late. It keeps spitting out an error that ubi-partman has crashed.
[05:31] <Chonto> i prefer the term 'differently abled'
[05:32] <glitchd> LookingForAHand, so download another xubuntu.iso and remake the usb.
[05:32] <LookingForAHand> lmao I've been doing that for ~2 weeks now
[05:33] <glitchd> how are u making the usb then?
[05:33] <LookingForAHand> UNetBootin
[05:33] <LookingForAHand> I also tried using dd on another Linux system but that didn't work at all.
[05:33] <glitchd> your probably not making it correctly in unetbootin then if it continually gives the same error
[05:34] <glitchd> again you didnt use dd correctly then
[05:34] <glitchd> i made a usb with dd today
[05:34] <LookingForAHand> Huh
[05:34] <glitchd> what command did u use with dd?
[05:35] <LookingForAHand> Yeah I've tried doing it with several diff. ISOs, using UnetBootin in Windows and linux, dd, even sticks that used to work aren't working anymore.
[05:35] <LookingForAHand> I used dd if=xubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc1 bs=4M
[05:37] <glitchd> i would rename the iso to just xubuntu.iso and i would try changing sdc1 to sdc instead
[05:37] <LookingForAHand> Alright thanks fam
[05:37] <LookingForAHand> I'll give that a shot, see what that turns up.
[05:37] <LookingForAHand> Fingers crossed.
[05:37] <glitchd> hope it works for ya
[05:38] <glitchd> you can try booting it on the computer your on just to test it before u take it to work
[05:38] <glitchd> *you should try
[05:48] <xangua> What release?
[05:49] <xangua> Oh 16,04
[05:49] <Chonto> xubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64
[05:49] <Chonto> that lol
[05:50] <glitchd> LookingForAHand, by chance are there any other devices plugged into the machine that gives u the error?
[05:51] <xangua> What PC? UEFI?
[05:55] <Chonto> i'm trying to download xubuntu and have gotten glitter all over the place
[05:55] <Chonto> idk what i did wrong
[05:57] <xangua> Trying? Thought you were installing
[05:58] <Chonto> nah still downloading. literally just began 5 mins ago
[05:58] <Chonto> cleaning glitter now
[05:59] <xangua> Downloading?  Xubuntu is pretty easy to use.
[06:14] <INeedAHandHere> It's also hard to break, but somehow, I find a way to do so around this time of year
[06:14] <Chonto> downloading a bunch of cheat sheets and got the official docs. no idea what most of this stuff is but i'm sure it'll be handy
[06:14] <Chonto> haha
[06:15] <Chonto> yeah lots of folks recommended it
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> Yeah
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> Don'
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> t be afraid of the terminal
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> It is your friend
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> Your dude
[06:15] <Chonto> your bromanski
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> Yes
[06:15] <INeedAHandHere> that thing
[06:15] <Chonto> i've been messing with pc's since i was a kid. i can build 'em but i've only ever used windows
[06:15] <Chonto> now i got a desk job and lots of free time
[06:16] <INeedAHandHere> I'm actually getting ready to do my first build here real soon
[06:16] <Chonto> so why not learn \o/
[06:16] <Chonto> very nice
[06:16] <Chonto> going all out? :D
[06:16] <INeedAHandHere> T h e  m o r e  y o u  k n o w
[06:16] <INeedAHandHere> $500 dollar budget, I'm po'
[06:16] <Chonto> ayy you gotta start somewhere
[06:17] <Chonto> invest in a good case and mobo and everything else can be replaced over time
[06:17] <INeedAHandHere> Also I hope you don't have an AMD graphics card
[06:17] <Chonto> haha... i do :x
[06:17] <INeedAHandHere> Oh... fug.
[06:17] <INeedAHandHere> AMD drivers are jank on linux.
[06:17] <Chonto> really... interesting. why?
[06:17] <Chonto> so many people use em
[06:18] <INeedAHandHere> IDK. Amd doesn't really care about Linux AFAIK. The open-source crivers might be good by now, I haven't checked
[06:18] <INeedAHandHere> *drivers
[06:19] <Chonto> i'll keep it in mind. i'm not allowed to tinker with the work pc
[06:19] <xangua> I just use open source and Radeon DPM, running unity
[06:19] <INeedAHandHere> Should be fine
[06:19] <Chonto> nor do i wanna spend money doing so haha
[06:19] <xangua> Open source drivers* just fine
[06:19] <INeedAHandHere> As long as you don'
[06:19] <INeedAHandHere> t play too many intensive vidya grames you should be fine
[06:19] <Chonto> oh no no... this is purely work and learning related
[06:20] <Chonto> no gaming
[06:20] <INeedAHandHere> Oh, you'll be fiiiiine
[06:20] <Chonto> he says, convincingly
[06:20] <INeedAHandHere> Just be very skeptical whenever something says to update libc. That's how I broke mine last year.
[06:20] <Chonto> thanks for the heads up though cuz someday i'll want linux on my home pc
[06:21] <Chonto> noted
[06:21] <INeedAHandHere> Assuming you like it.
[06:21] <INeedAHandHere> Obv
[06:21] <Chonto> i believe i will
[06:21] <xangua> Assuming you are alive tomorrow
[06:21] <Chonto> -gulps-
[06:21] <INeedAHandHere> Also you don't have to worry about AV which is fun
[06:22] <INeedAHandHere> X a n g u a
[06:22] <xangua> You do, if you work with windows users
[06:22] <INeedAHandHere> S t o p  m a k i n g  t h i n l y  v e i l e d  d e a t h  t h r e a t s
[06:22] <INeedAHandHere> Oh yeah, you do
[06:23] <Chonto> what's easier for me as a noob, trying to do a VM or boot from a USB?
[06:23] <xangua> Why virtual? Go real!
[06:23] <INeedAHandHere> Like, install Linux in a VM, or install it as it's own host OS?
[06:23] <INeedAHandHere> They're both about the same difficulty
[06:24] <Chonto> ahaha alright
[12:21] <chonto> so i put xubuntu 16.10 onto a usb stick using Universal USB Installer
[12:22] <chonto> i boot from the usb and i can run from it no prob
[12:22] <chonto> i installed it onto the HDD after verifying it was ok
[12:22] <chonto> but i see nothing now about it when i wanna boot to it
[12:23] <chonto> in the boot menu, it only has windows and the USB. doesn't list anything else new
[12:24] <MoBeats> are you sure you installed grub on to the hdd, not the usb?
[12:27] <chonto> i believe so. the drive i worked on was 1tb in size... it's only a 4gb usb lol
[12:28] <chonto> i've got more reading to do :x
[18:26] <slee> hi, why does software center take so long to load in 16.04?
[18:35] <kafran> Hey guys, can someone update me about the annoying thunar bug?
[19:36] <zorgrian> Installing 16.04
[19:36] <zorgrian> anything in 16.10 thats good and not flakey?
[19:37] <zorgrian> or some percent up the kreek without paddle?
[19:38] <zorgrian> Well dont all shout at once!
[19:38] <zorgrian> amazing levels of silence for internet
[19:38] <zorgrian> perhaps you all on facecage?


 Anyone want some vegetarian lasagna
 Yes!!!
 @Ivoriesablaze, It is a bit of a drive, huh?
 Yeah :-(
 If you are willing to make the commute, you are welcomed to have some
 I'm afraid I'll have to pass, lol
 @Ivoriesablaze, Too bad. It is amazing
 @ahoneybun, Just don't eat the yellow snow
 This was last night
 Now it snows more after I leave, of course
 Yea sadly
 Merry Christmas!
 Bah humbug
 @Ivoriesablaze, Ayy
 Forgot I snapped pics of that Delorean back in IL, September lol
 @Ivoriesablaze, Happy festivus then. Even though that was two days ago.
 @SivaMachina, Same
 so the google home is pretty neat.
 it's very fluid in how you interact with it.
 the whole always listening thing is creepy
 Although i feel like amazon's echo system is more robust
 i can't even play content from Play Movie library yet with it.
 @govatent, Yeah, that hurts
 I feel this gives amazon a strong advantage in the market with the Skill things people can program
 @govatent, There are still a lot of advantages with the home. The audio quality of the speaker is amazing. You can also make custom skills for home
 ahhh
 Yea. the speaker is amazing.
 I'm playing around with it now. just hooked it up.
 hope everyone is having a great Christmas .
 We have plenty of snow here in CO.
 @govatent, The speaker on the home mini is also shockingly good
 I just told it to play jazz. and it's playing a decent selection
 i need to replace my sound bar with an HDMI arc capable one. I have a 2.1 sound bar using optical. so when the chromecast turns on the tv it can't control the sound bar.


[09:02] <jam> fwereade: there you are
[09:02] <jam> I hereby revoke your ability to submit any more patches :)
[09:02] <fwereade> jam, hey dude, tyvm for all the review
[09:03] <fwereade> jam, haha
[09:03] <fwereade> jam, that's what happens when my family go away for a couple of days and there's noone on irc :)
[09:04] <dimitern> fwereade: you're on fire on friday :)
[09:04] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah, 'twas a great day
[09:05] <fwereade> jam, I was thinking of adding explicit tests for the charm test helpers to charm_test.go, would that be ok with you?
[09:06] <jam> fwereade: I've been told you don't write tests for test helpers, but *I'm* personally a fan of it.
[09:06] <jam> (Why is this test failing? Oh the test infrastructure is wrong)
[09:06] <fwereade> jam, yeah, me too, it's just been 4 years since I've been in an environment where someone else agrees with me on this
[10:26] <dimitern> jam: are we the only ones today for standup?
[10:33] <jam> dimitern: technically, but mgz is sitting on mumble
[11:47] <fwereade> dimitern, fwiw jam's observations on the txns are good ones, and I'm still trying to figure out the Right Thing to do in those cases, but I'm definitely not quite doing it right now
[11:48] <fwereade> dimitern, jam: the big question for me is what I can safely assume about ops that aren't constructed in plain view... *at the moment* we can simplify those my assuming how the op-creation methods work
[11:48] <fwereade> dimitern, jam: and *maybe* we should
[11:49] <jam> fwereade: I did a lot of reviewing, can you link for context?
[11:50] <fwereade> jam, https://codereview.appspot.com/8126044/diff/1/state/machine.go#newcode310
[11:50] <fwereade> jam, https://codereview.appspot.com/8126044/diff/1/state/machine.go#newcode447
[11:52] <fwereade> jam, I have ideas floating around about a layer that lets us work with ops without having to think so much
[11:53] <jam> fwereade: so if you have a case where retrying will succeed when it would otherwise fail, I'm happy to have the retries
[11:53] <jam> though a more consistent "try twice" or "try three times" seems useful
[11:56] <fwereade> jam, "try twice" was deliberate, and I think it's correct but its form may be unhelpful -- the idea there is that we use the exact same gating checks across the board, but an aborted txn should guarantee that one of those will fail; we should therefore always return before attempting to execute a second txn
[11:57] <fwereade> jam, deserves a comment, I think
[11:58] <fwereade> jam, the reason for the "try three times" was because I expect lifecycle switches to be icky and demand retries, but neglected to observe that this one's simpler than I assumed
[11:58] <fwereade> jam, I would be most keen to go for a try-twice approach there for the above reasons
[12:02] <fwereade> jam, I'd like to roll up the duplicated bits of the txn-futzing code into something a little smarter, but I don't think I can justify it atm because it'd be at least half fishing-trip
[13:57] <fwereade> mramm, hey, I think it's just me again -- do we need to meet? I have a pile of good reviews and I'll be landing them for the rest of the day I think, not much more to tell
[13:58] <mramm> fwereade: if I have any questions about the board status, I'll let you know -- but no we don't need a meeting.
[13:58] <fwereade> mramm, cool
[14:50] <gary_poster> sorry for basic go question, but what is diff between []params.Port(nil) and []params.Port{} ?  Test expects first and obtains second
[14:52] <gary_poster> pointer to doc would be aok :-)
[15:00] <dimitern> gary_poster: I think the first one is just a nil slice, while the second one is an empty one. Both have len() == 0, but the first cannot be modified. The second is equivalent to make([]params.Port, 0)
[15:02] <gary_poster> ah! thanks dimitern.  I'll see if I can switch one to the other...
[15:06] <dimitern> gary_poster: actually, both can be modified ok it seems: http://play.golang.org/p/Mr2Y49I2Q2
[15:06] <gary_poster> dimitern, oh, weird.  So...should DeepEquals find them equivalent?
[15:07] <gary_poster> append can return back a new instance IIRC
[15:07] <gary_poster> so you might still be right about initialization diffeerences
[15:08] <dimitern> gary_poster:  yeah, you're right - append creates a new slice
[15:08] <dimitern> gary_poster: deepequals should work I think
[15:08] <dimitern> gary_poster: they're of the same type
[15:09] <gary_poster> dimitern, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5667597/ ISTM that DeepEquals does not behave that way now?  Or am I missing something?
[15:11] <dimitern> gary_poster: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/golang-nuts/vNodYyoUu9Q - there are no docs about it, but there are some ML questions about it
[15:12] <dimitern> gary_poster: so "the value of an uninitialized slice is nil"
[15:13] <fwereade> gary_poster, I suggest using HasLen for slices that might be nil or empty
[15:13] <fwereade> gary_poster, assuming you're testing
[15:13] <fwereade> gary_poster, also works on maps
[15:14] <dimitern> gary_poster: HasLen 0 works on both maps and slices, even if nil, so should work
[15:14] <gary_poster> fwereade, ack, ty.  So given context (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5667597/) of testing larger struct, would you suggest refactoring that DeepEquals assertion to stepping over each attr individually?
[15:14] <dimitern> gary_poster: the issue for me here is why []T(nil) is returned when it need to return []T{} probably?
[15:15] <gary_poster> yeah, I was going to try and address that
[15:15] <fwereade> gary_poster, doing every field seems a bit nasty
[15:16] <dimitern> try c.Assert(gotEntities[num].Port, DeepEquals, ent.Port)
[15:16] <fwereade> gary_poster, I'd probably prefer to fix either the return value or what the test checks for
[15:16] <gary_poster> fwereade, I thought so too.  Cool, I'll pursue that.  thank you again, fwereade and dimitern
[15:16] <fwereade> gary_poster, cheers
[15:16] <dimitern> if it fails, then I suppose digging into reflect.DeepEqual to see what might be the issue
[15:17] <fwereade> dimitern, AIUI nil is not the same as an empty slice, it just acts the same in most situations
[15:17] <fwereade> dimitern, DeepEquals is not one of those situations
[15:18] <fwereade> dimitern, consider maps -- nil maps act like empty maps in many situations, but not all
[15:18] <fwereade> dimitern, maps are a bit worse off because there's no equivalent of append for a map, so the difference is a little more obvious
[15:22] <dimitern> fwereade: yeah, I was thinking something in those lines
[15:22] <dimitern> fwereade: and the docs are sparse at places ("if it's not in the docs it's not allowed " etc.)
[16:15] <fwereade> gn all, hope to pop on and do a few of other people's reviews a bit later
[16:15] <dimitern> fwereade: have a good one
[19:57] <thumper> morning
[20:11] <gary_poster> hi
[20:13] <gary_poster> I'd really appreciate two reviews of this large but almost-but-not-entirely mechanical branch (circular imports): https://codereview.appspot.com/8086045/
[20:37] <thumper> hi gary_poster
[20:37] <gary_poster> hey thumper :-)
[20:39] <thumper> gary_poster: why the new package for params?
[20:42] <thumper> gary_poster: instead of using "series" for series and "name" for the service name with comments for "precise" and "wordpress", why not just structure the test so the results show "precise" and "wordpress" ?
[20:43] <gary_poster> thumper, I did not add the params package, I only added the values to the params package.  params package is supposed to be a place to put structs that are used both by state and by api
[20:44] <thumper> ok
[20:44] <gary_poster> the two are not to mix, AIUI; and certainly when they do you get circular imports
[20:44] <thumper> I bet most of those changes were mind-numbingly boring
[20:44] <gary_poster> why yes! :-)
[20:45] <gary_poster> thunper, +1 on changing the examples to the comments.
[20:45] <gary_poster> thumper, even
[20:46]  * thumper writes it on the review
[20:46] <gary_poster> ty
[20:50]  * thumper looks at the kanban board for something to do
[21:27] <m_3> thumper: I don't have a leankit acct... would you mind linking lp:~mark-mims/+junk/pyju-packaging-with-alternatives to the packaging item
[21:28] <m_3> thumper: it's working, but martin can review/cleanup when he gets back from vaca
[21:28] <thumper> m_3: sure...
[21:28] <m_3> thumper: thanks!
[21:29] <m_3> thumper: go packaging should be able to do something similar
[21:29]  * thumper nods
[23:25] <m_3> awesome... got an instance running with both 0.6 and 1.9.13 installed from packages


[11:11] <hmollercl> NickServ identify 1380
 Might want to delete that one
 might want to use a new password now :P
 already did it
 XD


[13:46] <realtime-neil> I'm starting to wonder if
[13:47] <realtime-neil> I'm starting to wonder if using the Server rather than the Desktop Bionic installer would be an easier way to get the GA kernel in my installed targets.
[16:33] <xnox> so server images, we do explicitely default to GA kernel; and provide HWE one as an option.
[16:43] <realtime-neil> xnox: understood; it's a shame Focal does away with non-live server images
[16:44] <realtime-neil> for me, at any rate
[16:44] <xnox> realtime-neil:  there is one..... one-off one.....
[16:45] <xnox> hidden at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04.1/release/ and requires a survey as to why you are trying to use it
[16:48] <realtime-neil> xnox: that'll work!


[15:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:31] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hi dscassel :)
[16:17]  * genii-around makes coffee
[16:33] <BluesKaj> snowing in the north channel
[16:38] <bregma> cripes, I just accidentally started the upgrade to precise on my main machine
[16:39] <bregma> here's hoping it's stable
[16:45] <genii-around> bregma: I guess BluesKaj and I may see you later in #ubuntu+1  ;)
[16:47] <BluesKaj> genii-around,  I reverted to 11.10 so I haven't been hanging around there much lately
[16:47] <bregma> actually, I'm in the same hotel in Hungary as the entire Canonical desktop team, I'm in good hands
[16:48] <bregma> if they're not already in a nearby bar
[16:50] <genii-around> Nice!
[17:47] <epod> meh.,...
[17:47] <epod> I'd order a system76 system, but they don't collect duties... so I have no idea WTF Canada customs would charge me, and shipping is already almost $100
[17:47] <epod> :S
[17:49] <pangolin> epod: they will charge you the normal tax rate for your province
[17:49] <epod> ah so 12%
[17:50] <pangolin> I believe that is how they do it.
[17:50] <pangolin> don't quote me on it.
[17:50] <epod> so $84
[17:50] <epod> which would make, with shipping, the laptop almost $900
[17:51] <epod> I might as well buy a retail system at futureshop/bestbuy with those specs for $600 and put ubuntu on it
[18:10] <genii-around> I think the Dell linux boxes can still be ordered from in Canada
[18:13] <dscassel> epod: With System76, it's not customs you need to worry about. It's brokerage fees.
[18:14] <dscassel> I'm probably going to try zareason for my next machine.
[18:14] <dscassel> Much as I think the System76 guys are awesome...
[18:18] <epod> dscassel, oh right ups' brokerage fee... ugh I guess system76 is out
[18:19] <epod> I'm currently thinking either http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34104 or http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34111 I'm just a bit concerned about AMD Fusion stuff under Linux not being mature.  And I don't know which is better for windows gaming.
[20:29] <DarwinSurvivor> epod I got a system76 machine a few months go. had it shipped to a location in the US, then brught it over myself
[20:30] <DarwinSurvivor> paid about $25 shipping and duty was just the 12% (I believe)
[20:56] <DarwinSurvivor> actually, I don't think we had to pay anything to bring it accross, just the $25 shipping to get it to blaine
[20:56] <DarwinSurvivor> you just have to get the shipping destination added as an authorized shipping destination to your credit card (5 minute phone call to the bank)
[20:57] <epod> DarwinSurvivor, yeah, I could do that I suppose, Fargo isnt that far south.
[20:58] <epod> genii-around, I havent found any on Dell's site, do you where I'd look?
[20:58] <DarwinSurvivor> just add the shipping address to your card, then verify it with system76 before buying it
[20:59] <epod> DarwinSurvivor, mmkay.
[21:01] <dscassel> I'm very pro buying Ubuntu pre-installed.
[21:01] <dscassel> But failing that, you can always look up potential purchases here: https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[21:01] <DarwinSurvivor> some manufacturers (Acer I know of) will give you a partial refund on the OS if you send in your HDD for a full wipe right after purchase
[21:02] <epod> dscassel, I'd like to, but Dell apparently has no ubuntu notebooks for sale in Canada anymore, and its a 3 ring circus (or really expensive) to get a system76 :(
[21:02] <genii-around> epod: This is the old page: http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1    if you use their search bar on top right with: linux laptop the first hit at top is the Inspiron N411Z
[21:02] <DarwinSurvivor> just get something in writing from the manufacturer before purchase
[21:02] <epod> genii-around, yeah, but if I go to BUY one, only win7 is available
[21:04] <DarwinSurvivor> another route is small shops, they are usually more willing to bring in custom-build systems with no OS
[21:04] <DarwinSurvivor> If you live in lower-mainland BC, geeks-are-us will probably do that for you
[21:06] <epod> I'm in winnipeg, just checking out google to see if there's anything around here
[21:07] <epod> DarwinSurvivor, I'm currently just thinking of going with http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/dell-dell-inspiron-15-6-laptop-featuring-intel-core-i3-2310m-processor-i15rn-7059dbk-black-i15rn-7059dbk/10174369.aspx?path=b79161cf9d839f2c30aa72808a84e255en02 and putting 11.10 on it
[21:08] <epod> from what I can tell, all the hardware ought to work out of the box
[21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> nice
[21:09] <epod> oddly, $50 cheaper than buying the SAME laptop from Dell.ca
[21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> there should be an equivalent on Dell's site
[21:09] <epod> which I don't get :S
[21:09] <epod> yeah there is, it's $50 more.
[21:09] <epod> lol
[21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> it won't be the same model number (bestbuy gets custom numbers for "price comparison" reasons), but there should be a VERY close one on Dell's site
[21:10]  * DarwinSurvivor just read up 5 lines, nvm...
[21:11] <DarwinSurvivor> before you buy it, e-mail Dell's sales support asking what the procedure is for OS refunds (not if they exist, ask what they are)
[21:11] <DarwinSurvivor> you can probably get 50-100 back :D
[21:11] <epod> I just wonder if I can do some decent gaming on it, and ok, I will do that.
[21:11] <epod> (by decent I mean, minecraft, trine, maybe wow)
[21:12] <epod> all under linux of course, dual booting is the debbil.
[21:54] <BobJonkman> Is there any advantage in a bulk purchase?
[21:55] <BobJonkman> What if we created a Laptop Buying Consortium amongst Ubuntu-ca people.  Would that reduce our cost in shipping, duty, brokerage fees?
[22:14] <dscassel> Probably only works if we're all in the same city.
[22:14] <dscassel> Although duty (and probably brokerage fees, because they're evil like that) are a percentage of the declared value.
[22:14] <dscassel> But you'd save on shipping...
[22:17] <epod> yeah the whole customs brokerage fees from UPS are insane.
[22:17] <epod> I'd rather stuff ship USPS, but that isnt an option


[22:43] <classicsnail> good morning - with the launch of 21.04 imminent, au.archive and au.releases might want to be redirected in the interim, I've been told the stability is awful again, so better to remove it - there's supposed to be new hardware installed, but covid and all has made it awkward to get some of it in
[23:09] <pjdc> classicsnail: sure thing - can you drop an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for the record?


[00:00] <razorgoto> Well, we're doing this thing with Seneca this year.
[00:00] <razorgoto> They do FSOSS every year and they have the space, resources, people and volunteers to manage and plan a big event.
[00:01] <razorgoto> Basically, it will be at Seneca @ York... so not in Scarborough.
[00:01] <BobJonkman> Are you still accepting speakers for LinuxFest?
[00:01] <razorgoto> Bob, totally.
[00:01] <dscassel> razorgoto: I put in my proposal. :)
[00:01] <razorgoto> Actually, we had a dearth of speakers this year so far.
[00:02] <razorgoto> I am encouraging everyone I know to join.
[00:02] <razorgoto> We are also, on top of the conference, doing an unconference on the last day.
[00:03] <razorgoto> So that will be more a breakout time to do more workshops and conferences. Maybe of a more impromptu nature.
[00:03] <dscassel> Cool.
[00:04] <dscassel> Well, it's after 8.
[00:04] <razorgoto> time does fly swiftly.
[00:04] <dscassel> Oneiric is out Oct. 13 so get planning release parties!
[00:04] <BobJonkman> Before we break up, any words on Oneiric's Release Party?
[00:05] <BobJonkman> :)
[00:05] <dscassel> BobJonkman: We'll have one in Kwartzlab.  I'm hoping there's a Toronto one again. :)
[00:05] <razorgoto> Oneiric is the LTS. Right?
[00:05] <dscassel> I haven't heard about any others.
[00:05] <dscassel> razorgoto: Nope.  12.04 is LTS.
[00:05] <SIR_Taco> anything in Kingston? haha
[00:05] <psema4mobile> There can only be ONEiric!
[00:05] <razorgoto> lol.
[00:05] <dscassel> SIR_Taco: If you hold one there will be. :D
[00:06] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Release Parties are easy to arrange.
[00:06] <razorgoto> The last Ubuntu Release party was great fun here in Toronto.
[00:06] <BobJonkman> The toughest part is getting the Ubuntu logo on the Devilled Eggs!
[00:06] <dscassel> Probably better Oneiric isn't an LTS.  Don't want to have to keep trying to pronounce it for 5 years.
[00:06] <SIR_Taco> dscassel: been holding my breath for awhile now haha
[00:06] <razorgoto> I will try to get in touch with Mike to see if he will be doing it again.
[00:07] <dscassel> razorgoto: Great!
[00:07] <dscassel> SIR_Taco: There's gotta be at least a couple Ubuntu users at Queen's...
[00:08] <BobJonkman> SIR_Taco: Just make an announcement, gather in some local establishment, and burn some CDs from the new ISO
[00:08] <BobJonkman> It might turn into an installfest if people bring laptops
[00:08] <psema4mobile> Im afraid I need to drop off. battery's getting pretty low. Nice to meet you all!
[00:08] <dscassel> Or just, you know, hang out. :)
[00:09] <psema4mobile> BobJonkman catch up with you soon?
[00:09] <dscassel> psema4mobile: No problem thanks for coming out. :)
[00:09] <BobJonkman> Just the thought that it's legal to burn CDs of an operating system is news to some people
[00:09] <psema4mobile> l8tr
[00:09] <BobJonkman> OK psema4mobile, talk to you soon
[00:10] <razorgoto> gotta say the oneric is hard to spell...
[00:10] <SIR_Taco> that's possible
[00:12] <BobJonkman> dscassel: Do you have a date yet for the KW URP?
[00:14] <dscassel> Oct 15.
[00:14] <BobJonkman> Yay!
[00:15] <dscassel> (The saturday after release, as per tradition.
[00:15] <dscassel> (Wait, when's thanksgiving?)
[00:15] <dscassel> (the Monday before.  Phew)
[00:15] <BobJonkman> 10 Oct
[00:15] <SIR_Taco> the weekend before that
[00:15] <SIR_Taco> oooh, I'm a birthday turkey again this year haha
[00:16] <dscassel> SIR_Taco: heh. :)
[00:18] <razorgoto> guys, I've been at work long enough. My Windows computer just crashed. I am going home.
[00:19] <razorgoto> I emailed some people at Free Geek about taking on more activities next two months so we can do some of these stuff in Toronto (Center of Universe.)
[00:20] <razorgoto> See you later.
[00:20] <SIR_Taco> cya razorgoto
[00:21] <SIR_Taco> I always miss the meeting haha
[00:21] <BobJonkman> Bye razorgoto
[00:21] <cvillaco> nice chattin with ya
[00:22] <razorgoto> bye
[00:32] <dscassel> Thanks for coming out, guys. :)
[00:37] <cyphermox> dscassel, poke
[00:38] <cyphermox> sorry, just finished reading backlog
[00:38] <cyphermox> dscassel: might be worth pointing out LinuxConNA next week in Vancouver (I'll be heading out to there on Tuesday)
[00:39] <cyphermox> dscassel: also, please ping me if you're in Montreal on Monday or before, maybe I can make time
[00:46] <dscassel> cyphermox: Oh yeah!
[00:46] <dscassel> There's an open source thing in Ottawa in a couple weeks too.
[00:46] <dscassel> With rms and everything.
[00:46] <cyphermox> fun fun
[00:47] <bregma> wait, what?
[00:48] <bregma> what open source thing in Ottawa?  I might convince my company to pay
[00:49] <dscassel> bregma: hold on..
[00:55] <dscassel> bregma: Found it!
[00:55] <cyphermox> yay for stuff in Ottawa. this is within driveable distance within a day :)
[00:55] <dscassel> http://fosslc.org/drupal/sc2011
[00:56] <dscassel> I'll actually be in Ottawa on the 27th, but I've got a train ticket that leaves at 1pm. :(
[00:57] <dscassel> Funny, tho, that the fsf where's rms page doesn't list it.
[00:57] <dscassel> It says he's suppoed to be in the UK that week.
[00:59] <dscassel> BTW, a little bit of self-promotion I forgot to do at the meeting, I'm putting myself up for Ubuntu membership next week, if you're interested in giving me a testamonial...
[01:00] <dscassel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dscassel
[01:00] <cyphermox> dscassel: absolutely, thanks for bringing it up
[01:00] <cyphermox> i thought the meeting was this week though
[01:01] <cyphermox> I stand corrected
[01:05] <bregma> dang, August 27 is my brother's 50th birthday party in Hamilton, I can't miss that
[01:13] <dscassel> bregma: Maybe your brother will want to meet St IGNUcious for his birthday... :)
[01:14] <bregma> unlikely
[02:18] <khoover> did i miss everything?
[02:20] <dscassel> khoover: There's always something. :)
[02:20]  * dscassel may be lying...
[02:20] <dscassel> Still, if there's anything you want to bring up, I haven't done the minutes yet.
[02:20] <khoover> does that something involve beer and/or code?
[02:21] <khoover> oh, not really.
[02:21] <dscassel> Drink/code 'em if you got em.
[02:21] <khoover> meant more if we had it here...
[02:23] <khoover> last time i tried to adopt ubuntu, it destroyed my music library. probably cause i had the thing partitioned onto it, and there were two filesystems on one physical drive
[02:23] <dscassel> khoover: Where's "here"? :)
[02:24] <dscassel> khoover: Ouch. Yeah. I've learned from hard experience to be very, very careful about that stuff.
[02:24] <khoover> here in channel, ofc. where else?
[02:24] <khoover> my house? :P
[02:24]  * dscassel hands khoover a beer.
[02:26] <khoover> sudo cp beer beer2
[02:26]  * khoover hands dscassel beer2
[02:27] <khoover> cheers
[02:30] <khoover> forever alone...
[02:31] <dscassel> :)
[02:34] <dscassel> I'm at the Kwartzlab hackerspace for Open Night.
[02:34] <dscassel> Webcam here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kwartzlab :)
[02:35]  * dscassel is actually on camera. Say hi and I'll wave.
[02:43] <khoover> bah, was trying to come up with some clever script for multiplying beer.
[02:44] <BobJonkman> Whoops.  Thought the meeting was over already
[02:45] <khoover> dscassel: are you the balded one?
[02:45] <khoover> BobJonkman: it pretty much is
[02:47] <BobJonkman> I uploaded the log a couple of hours ago.  I'll have to add the stuff about Ottawa
[02:47] <BobJonkman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09/log
[02:55] <dscassel> Thanks, BobJonkman
[02:55] <dscassel> Bald*ing*, I'll thank you.
[02:56] <dscassel> The webcam doesn't have the resolution to pick up the hair that's there. :)
[02:56] <dscassel> wave...
[02:56] <dscassel> Ben's in the foreground. He's standing in front of me right now.  I'm in the back at the table.
[02:57] <khoover> oh, ben's the bald one.
[02:57] <khoover> so, exactly what goes on at hackathons
[02:58] <dscassel> Hacking. :D
[02:58] <dscassel> It's not actually the Global Synchronous Hackathon.
[02:58] <dscassel> Nobody changed the headline.
[02:58] <BobJonkman> dscassel: Do you already have IRC minutes prepared?
[02:59] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Were you working on it?
[02:59] <dscassel> I started but got distracted. Don't have much.
[02:59] <BobJonkman> Not yet.  Took a break for dinner and a movie.
[02:59] <BobJonkman> Movie was awful, dinner was OK
[02:59] <dscassel> Fair enough. :)
[02:59] <khoover> can we not simply script what the scribe-bot got into something human-legible?
[03:00] <BobJonkman> Was there a scribe-bot?
[03:00] <khoover> there usually is
[03:00] <BobJonkman> Or are you talking about me?
[03:00] <dscassel> Bob posted the log.
[03:01] <khoover> no, the...aw, hang on
[03:01] <BobJonkman> What I usually do is pick out the highlights and make it sound official
[03:01] <dscassel> We're not using a meeting bot.
[03:01] <dscassel> (Because I haven't figured out how, mostly).
[03:01] <dscassel> (And I don't mind being a bit less formal)
[03:02] <BobJonkman> It's my writing style.  Dry and turgid
[03:03] <khoover> here we go
[03:03] <khoover> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2011/08/10/%23ubuntu-ca.html
[03:04] <dscassel> Yeah, that's the log. :)
[03:04] <khoover> well, my mistake in calling it scribe-bot.
[03:04] <khoover> could've sworn i saw it called a bot somewhere...
[03:04] <BobJonkman> Not unlike http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/09/%23ubuntu-ca.html#t23:00
[03:04] <BobJonkman> I think that comes from locobot_1
[03:06] <khoover> damn, son, it's even colour coded
[03:13] <khoover> auuuuuugh, why'd i leave rtf's on office.
[03:20] <cvillaco> speaking of formatting
[03:21] <cvillaco> i hate to inturrupt, but i been wondering for awhile and never found the best time to ask
[03:21] <cvillaco> i been using empathy right now for irc chat
[03:22] <cvillaco> but the text is too small for me, how can i change the empathy chat text size?  Does anyone know offhand
[03:22] <cvillaco> ?
[03:24] <khoover> should be ctrl++ or ctrl+-
[03:24] <khoover> at least, that works for near everything
[03:30] <cvillaco> not in this case khoover
[03:30] <cvillaco> and i have found no formatting preferences or settings yet either.
[03:30] <cvillaco> thanks for the advice though :)
[03:31] <cvillaco> but no luck so far
[03:32] <dscassel> Hm... lemme poke around...
[03:33] <cvillaco> perhaps this is something which can be changed via  global text sizing for the os?
[03:33] <cvillaco> ok
[03:33] <cvillaco> ty
[03:34] <dscassel> Also weird: the Ubuntu theme doesn't use the Ubuntu font. o_o
[03:34] <cvillaco> touchee!
[03:35] <cvillaco> there are android fonts in the repos ehh?
[03:35] <dscassel> What package?
[03:35] <cvillaco> I have it installed and use the android mono space for terminal
[03:36] <cvillaco> 1 sec, i will try to grep
[03:37] <dscassel> Just searching for "android" in software centre doesn't turn anything up.
[03:38] <cvillaco> in synaptic
[03:38] <cvillaco> ttf-droid
[03:38] <cvillaco> and
[03:39] <dscassel> I've got it installed alread. Awesome. :D
[03:39] <dscassel> Nice mono font. :)
[03:40] <cvillaco> haha, i set it up for my terminal and a few other places i have used it
[03:40] <cvillaco> I think one of the sansarrifs is pretty cool as well
[03:41] <cvillaco> I like the ubuntu sans as well, it is nice, i am surprised it is not in empathy by default, especially setting it to Ubuntu theme.
[03:41] <cvillaco> I have trouble typing right now becasue i have a hand brace, and it is very frusterating to work on the computer with it
[03:42] <cvillaco> maybe the font seeting is in an empathy config file
[03:42] <dscassel> It's not in gconf, far as I can tell.
[03:43] <BobJonkman> The minutes, they be up : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09
[03:46] <dscassel> Awesome, thanks, BobJonkman
[03:47] <BobJonkman> You're welcome.
[03:47] <BobJonkman> I'm displeased with the vertical spacing that bullet points create
[03:48] <dscassel> Yeah, something's wrong with the CSS for links.
[03:48] <cvillaco> huh?
[03:49] <cvillaco> looks good to me
[03:50] <dscassel> cvillaco: Then you probably aren't using the Ubuntu light theme. :)
[03:50] <dscassel> (Or maybe it's a Firefox thing)
[03:51] <cvillaco> hmm
[03:51] <cvillaco> i do see
[03:52] <cvillaco> some spacing in the ul can you inset css into the template?
[03:52] <cvillaco> i think it's inheriting a line-height of 1.5
[03:53] <cvillaco> hmm
[03:53] <cvillaco> also there are p tags in li, making a double linebreak
[03:53] <cvillaco>  if the p's in li could be changed to non block level
[03:54] <cvillaco> if the css could be changed, im sure the spacing could be fixed, but it might just be the way the develoeprs of the site prefer listing too
[03:54] <cvillaco> i could troubleshoot styles like this but it is hard i have a finger brace on
[03:55] <dscassel> Not sure who you'd complain to.
[03:55] <cvillaco> and it is frusterating to do any navigation or typing
[03:55] <dscassel> Probably ask around in #ubuntu-website
[03:57] <dscassel> cvillaco: If you change the "Documentation font" size in preferences > Appearances, it'll change the font in Empathy.
[03:58] <dscassel> And now it is midnight. I shall retire.
[03:58] <dscassel> 'night all. :)
[03:59] <cvillaco> thanks dscassel.
[03:59] <bregma> nighty-night
[03:59] <bregma> time to leave work at last
[04:32] <DarwinSurvivor> I missed it didn't I...
[04:33] <cvillaco> the LoCo meeting?
[04:34] <DarwinSurvivor> yeah
[04:34] <cvillaco> yes!
[04:34] <cvillaco> just by a few hours though :-)
[04:34] <DarwinSurvivor> the one that started 5 hours ago :P
[04:35] <DarwinSurvivor> lol
[04:35] <DarwinSurvivor> oh well, next time I guess
[04:35] <cvillaco> some of the meeting i think trailed on so im not sure how long since the end, but you missed the start by a few :-)
[04:35] <DarwinSurvivor> anything interresting happen?
[04:37] <cvillaco> im kinda new member,
[04:37] <cvillaco> there were talks about jams happening
[04:37] <cvillaco> here is some information on the meeting
[04:37] <cvillaco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09
[04:38] <cvillaco> and a og has been kept
[04:38] <cvillaco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09/log
[04:38] <cvillaco> :-)
[04:39] <cvillaco> i would tell more but some of it went over my head, and I have a hand brace
[04:59] <DarwinSurvivor> cool, i'll just take a look at the logs then, thanks
[11:18] <khoover> isn't linuxfest toronto cancelled?
[11:38] <dscassel> khoover: Ontario Linux Fest is reborn!
[11:38] <khoover> dscassel: ooooh, where?
[11:38] <dscassel> Re-named Toronto Linux Fest and rolled into FSOSS at Seneca
[11:39] <dscassel> Oct 27-29 at the York campus http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2011/
[11:41] <khoover> i may not be able to attend almost any of it. damn high school.
[11:46] <dscassel> I'm probably only going to be there the Friday and Saturday...
[11:47] <dscassel> I don't have too much vacation left.  I'm just catching up on the minutes from meeting. Got home last night to find my DSL modem had basically imploded...
[14:33] <BluesKaj> sorry I missed the meeting was busy messing with my other pc , have to dual boot it in order to keep up with W7 ...had to search to find out how to defrag wife's W7 pc :)
[14:37] <bregma> youse guys didn't miss much, just the usual
[14:39] <BluesKaj> youse guys ? :) heh
[14:39] <genii-around> Hm. The Toronto Linuxfest link goes to immutable page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxFest where the dates are from 2009-2010 and the Ontario link starts with "Cancelled"
[14:40] <BluesKaj> btw, hi genii-around , bregma
[14:40] <genii-around> Hi BluesKaj :)
[14:49] <genii-around> I got an email from Sammy Lao at FreeGeek asking if there will be a Toronto release-party for Oneiric.. For whoever is interested, yes. I do not yet have a set date but it will be at the same venue as before.
[14:50] <dscassel> Awesome. Thanks, genii-around
[14:50] <dscassel> Your name came up at the meeting last night. :)
[14:51] <dscassel> genii-around: Toronto Linux Fest is being rolled into FSOSS.
[14:51] <dscassel> Oct 27-29 at the York campus http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2011/
[14:54] <genii-around> Yes, after I found that http://onlinux.ca/ page started with "Cancelled" I saw your Nabble link on the sidebar there :)
[14:57] <dscassel> :)
[14:57] <dscassel> OGLF was my first active Ubuntu community participation thing. :)
[14:58] <dscassel> (Speaking of which, if anyone wants to say nice things about me on my wiki page, I won't mind... http://wiki.ubuntu.com/dscassel)
[14:58]  * dscassel is putting himself up for membership next week.
[15:05] <genii-around> Meh. I changed my primary email at Launchpad and deleted the old one, but it still wants me to put the old one to sign in. Weird.
[15:27] <genii-around> dscassel: I put in my two cents worth for you :)
[15:28] <dscassel> Thanks, genii-around :D
[15:38] <genii-around> Anyone have a recommendation for an ADSL modem? I was using a Speedtouch 516 but the insides cooked.
[15:38] <kenjy> whats up guys, did some one called me?
[15:51] <dscassel> kenjy: Just a mass call for the meeting last night. :)
[15:52] <kenjy> dscassel: ufff okay XD
[15:52] <dscassel> Minute here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09


[02:34] <ShawnR> so i upgraded and moved from dual 19" Samsungs (4:3, old school) to keeping the one 19" and getting a 24" for my main. I can't do dual monitors anymore :/
[02:34] <ShawnR> i get out of range errors when trying to setup the desktop size for the two monitors together
[02:34] <ShawnR> 1920x1080 on primary and 1280x1024 on secondary (using DVI/HDMI for both)