[05:44] <MooDoo> morning all
[23:53] <mhall119> can somebody here send meetingology to #ubuntu-us-fl please?


[03:47] <tseng> hm
[03:47] <tseng> can I join?
[03:47] <schweeb> sure
[03:47] <tseng> where to
[03:47] <schweeb> irc.arstechnica.com/#linux
[03:47] <tseng> oh
[03:47] <tseng> eff that
[03:47] <schweeb> rol
[03:48] <schweeb> it's where I do most of my trolling at :)
[03:48] <schweeb> I'll need a roll-call for that pic... who is everyone
[03:48] <tseng> uh
[03:49] <StoneTable> eff that why? :)
[03:49] <schweeb> ^^^^ arstechnica irc op
[03:49] <schweeb> heh
[03:49] <tseng> d3vic3, dholbach, koke, whiprush, riddel, Unfrgiven, colin, my laptop
[03:50] <schweeb> here's my laptop, it's a dell too :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/9747743/
[03:55] <tseng> except yours sucks
[03:55] <schweeb> all Dells suck
[03:56] <schweeb> next one's gonna be an IBM or a Fujitsu
[03:57] <tseng> my dell rocks your face
[03:57] <tseng> centrino for the win
[04:06] <tseng> wb
[04:06] <d3vic3> ta
[04:06] <d3vic3> I'm having X hiccups :(
[04:06] <tseng> ya i saw
[04:06] <tseng> gdm on crack
[04:11] <tseng> oh nose
[04:12] <d3vic3> (O.o)
[08:05] <\sh> morning
[01:19] <tarzeau> !seen herve
[02:20] <Unfrgiven> hey all. im having some problems using cdbs for a package im trying to create... actually it seems to be a pbuilder issue. im running a "pbuilder build <app>.dsc" and get a warning about packages that cannot be authenticated. any ideas?
[02:22] <ajmitch_> yeah, it's a pbuilder issue with gnupg not being installed in the chroot, there's a PbuilderHowto page on wiki.ubuntu.com, iirc
[02:22] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: hmm i thought i followed that howto to the letter, but ill double check
[02:23] <ajmitch_> yiirc you need to add an apt option in the chrrot, making sure you save it
[02:23] <ajmitch_> I just did pbuilder login --save-after-login, added gnupg, and I think that worked
[02:25] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: ill give that a shot.
[02:32] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: whats the recommended way to deal with updated upstream releases? the new maintainers guide suggests using uupdate.
[02:36] <ajmitch_> that works, if there's a watch  file
[02:37] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: and if there isnt? is it just easier to unpack the new version and copy across the debian directory?
[02:37] <ajmitch_> yeah
[02:38] <Unfrgiven> cool.
[02:38] <Unfrgiven> by the way i've uploaded two packages ready for MOTU review. i put the details on the MOTUToReview wiki page as dholbach told me to.
[02:38] <Unfrgiven> do i need to notify anyone that they should go review them?
[02:39] <Unfrgiven> oh and the third and fourth packages arent too far off ;)
[03:03] <ajmitch_> welcome, ogra
[03:08] <ajmitch_> hello _matth, jsgotangco
[03:08] <jsgotangco> where's he-man
[03:09] <ajmitch_> he's busy just at the moment
[03:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, gone to bed i think
[03:12] <trulux> morning
[03:12] <trulux> ogra: hi :)
[03:13] <ogra> hey trulux
[03:16] <trulux> ogra: howya?
[03:18] <ogra> trulux, fine, even its very exhausting here
[03:20] <trulux> ogra: how's that?
[03:23] <ajmitch_> because we're doing BOFs all day long, and spending our free time writing them up
[03:23] <ajmitch_> evening d3vic3
[03:24] <d3vic3> ajmitch..... dude, you sitting right next to me
[03:24] <jsgotangco> haha
[03:36] <zul> ajmitch_: a little work wont kill you ;)
[03:36] <ajmitch_> the problem is when it's a lot of work ;)
[03:38] <ajmitch_> night all..
[03:43] <Unfrgiven> ogra: hi ogra
[03:44] <ogra> heya Unfrgiven
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya
[07:17] <herve> houba !
[10:49] <Amaranth> can anyone tell me what linda means when it says "File /home/travis/Projects/smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb failed to process: Format args for usr-lib-in-arch-all don't match Description. (0 vs 1)"?


[00:16] <Oe_eden> holstein, where/how can I file a bug ?
[00:19] <Unit193> !bug
[00:35] <Oe_eden> 500 internal server error
[01:21] <kosaidpo> hello
[01:22] <kosaidpo> which package i have to install to get disk utility
[01:22] <Unit193> gnome-disk-utility ?
[01:23] <kosaidpo> Unit193: you sure ??
[01:23] <kosaidpo> i think its lx sumthin related i may be wrong ']
[01:24] <kosaidpo> Unit193: you're right i mistaken its name
[04:26] <Ascavasaion> Morning.  My PS/2 mouse refuses to be recognised.  It is getting power as it is glowing, but does not work.  I am currently using a USB one just to get around GUI, but I need the USB port for other things.  Can someone please tell me how to get the PS/2 mouse working.  Thank you.
[20:08] <jkh62> hello everyone! :)
[20:09] <mysteriousdaren> peace
[20:09] <jkh62> mysteriousdaren: peace!
[22:06] <Lesh_> Hello, I'd like to ask for some help. I have a old IBM T23 and wanted to install Lubuntu 12.10 alternate 32bit. It has a Pentium 3 with 1,13GHz and 384MB Ram. After the installtion the screen looks like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/706097_189241941214630_123880148_o.jpg Is there a problem with the graphic driver and am I able to fix that? Thank you.
[22:43] <Analogymous> Hi! I'm currently installing Lubuntu for an older machine running amd athlon 3000+, 512mb ram, 128mb Nvidia 5200 and I decided to erase the already existing Windows XP and Ubuntu-installation when I clicked in the installation guide that I run from a DVD. I can only hear minor activity from the HDD and there is a blackscreen with the pointer feat the loading circle. Has the installation frozen or is it just erasing all the
[22:43] <Analogymous>  data from previous OSs? :)
[22:56] <Lesh_> Hello, I'd like to ask for some help. I have a old IBM T23 and wanted to install Lubuntu 12.10 alternate 32bit. It has a Pentium 3 with 1,13GHz and 384MB Ram. After the installtion the screen looks like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/706097_189241941214630_123880148_o.jpg Is there a problem with the graphic driver and am I able to fix that? Thank you.
[23:06] <Analogymous> Looks like problems with the graphic driver...
[23:09] <Lesh_> And now? =/
[23:18] <Analogymous> I have no clue. I am currently trying to install it myself and it feels stuck with the loading...
[23:19] <Analogymous> I think maybe an installation of XP or other OS would make due to recover it!
[23:20] <Analogymous> Hope I won't have the same graphical issue, it's feels like a gamble when it comes to driver to support for linux but maybe that's just my beginner prejudices..
[23:23] <Lesh_> Same here ;)
[23:37] <Analogymous> Dah.
[23:47] <holstein> Analogymous: i would load the live CD with "nomodeset".. safe graphics mode
[23:47] <holstein> Analogymous: with tricky hardware, i might use a live CD such as puppy or knoppix to get the desktop configured.. then steal the xorg.conf from that live environment
[23:48] <holstein> driver support can be challenging, but remember.. nothing about linux/*buntu is preventing your hardware manufacturer from providing you a driver for your hardware
[23:49] <holstein> that being said, there are plenty of options.. the vesa driver is one of those usually fail-safe options
[23:57] <hal14450> Lesh_, it would help to know the graphics chip. you can use lspci to glean that info and then google for a solution. i do have to admit that having something like that happen after a fresh install given you probably didn't use a CLI based installer really isn't acceptable.


[04:14] <GykGyrl> hi
[04:14] <GykGyrl> anyone here?
[04:15] <falktx> GykGyrl: me
[04:20] <GykGyrl> 8op
[04:20] <GykGyrl> i so need help with sound
[04:21] <GykGyrl> im suing the latest of ubuntu studio, and i lost sound all together
[04:21] <GykGyrl> if i boot into a live version i have sound again...
[04:21] <GykGyrl> and i am really new to linux
[04:22] <holstein> GykGyrl: i would look for an older kernel in your grub menu
[04:25] <holstein> GykGyrl: what im proposing is, you took a kernel upgrade that doesnt support your audio hardware
[04:25] <holstein> it could also be that you have the sound turned down or muted in XFCE and mabye are not totally familiar with that UI
[04:26] <GykGyrl> its not muted i found the sound settings... and i played with all the slyders....
[04:26] <GykGyrl> how do i check the grub menue
[04:28] <holstein> GykGyrl: i had a situation where the buttons would mute, but not unmute
[04:29] <holstein> the keyboard buttons
[04:29] <holstein> that is with pulseaudio and XFCE
[04:29] <holstein> which is what you have
[04:29] <holstein> so, if you dont mind, double check the settings there in the UI
[04:29] <holstein> then, open a terminal and run alsamixer
[04:30] <holstein> hit F5 and look there and see that all is how you would expect
[04:30] <holstein> you can also install pavucontrol, and try that
[04:30] <holstein> i dont think you should edit grub
[04:30] <holstein> i think you should just look and see if there is an older kernel, and boot it, temporarily... but try these other options firts^
[04:30] <holstein> first*
[04:34] <GykGyrl> ok im confused a little... but tryin it now
[04:36] <holstein> GykGyrl: just decide what you want to try, and ill help you
[04:40] <GykGyrl> ok i did alsamixer and its all up all the way
[04:40] <holstein> GykGyrl: well, you dont necessarily want everything up all the way, unless you do
[04:41] <holstein> just be aware, thats how you can break something
[04:41] <GykGyrl> ?
[04:41] <holstein> GykGyrl: i didnt say go in there and turn everything all the way up
[04:41] <GykGyrl> um... i feel like a tool
[04:41] <holstein> thats all im saying... so you realize that cant hurt, or break something
[04:41] <holstein> like your ears ;)
[04:41] <GykGyrl> oh... lol
[04:42] <GykGyrl> i lke it loud
[04:42] <GykGyrl> 8o)
[04:42] <holstein> anyways... did sound ever work?
[04:43] <GykGyrl> oh yeah
[04:43] <GykGyrl> loved it
[04:43] <holstein> so, what broke it?
[04:43] <holstein> an upgrade?
[04:43] <GykGyrl> i did update a few days ago, then when i rebooted
[04:43] <GykGyrl> poof
[04:43] <GykGyrl> nothin
[04:45] <g33kgrl> ok i changed to the right computr
[04:46] <g33kgrl> i was going back n forth it was annpying
[04:47] <g33kgrl> how do i check the drub setting
[04:48] <g33kgrl> grub
[04:48] <holstein> g33kgrl: you can just reboot, and hit shift to see the list
[04:48] <holstein> you can look at
[04:48] <holstein> !grub
[04:48] <holstein> ^^ see if you want to unhide your grub list
[04:48] <holstein> i suggest this as a troubleshooting step, not really something you need to change permanently, or worry about
[04:49] <g33kgrl> ok so i have to reboot
[04:49] <g33kgrl> brb
[05:07] <gykgyrl> ok im in a previous kernel... no sound still
[05:10] <holstein> gykgyrl: ok, so i know you dont want to hear this, but its likely something in the UI you have hit
[05:10] <holstein> you can also try installing pavucontrol
[05:11] <gykgyrl> ok trying it now
[05:37] <gykgyrl> ok it was installed, so i reinstalled it
[05:39] <gykgyrl> pavucontrol
[14:44] <arges> Anybody know if enabling home folder encryption will cause issues (latency, etc) when recording to harddrive?
[15:02] <falktx> arges: not latency, but higher cpu usage
[15:02] <arges> falktx, even with hardware aes?
[15:02] <falktx> aes?
[15:03] <arges> the encryption algorithm has a hardware accelerator
[15:03] <falktx> arges: I tested ~2 years ago, there's a bit more cpu usage when writing/reading stuff from disk. not sure how it handles it with aes though
[15:04] <arges> falktx, i usually have cycles to spare (mostly tracking and not running effects)
[15:04] <arges> might as well give it a shot, worst case I can always record to a non-encrypted directory
[15:05] <arges> thanks
[15:45] <holstein> arges: you should always record to a different hard drive anyways
[15:45] <arges> holstein, why is that?
[15:45] <holstein> performance
[15:46] <holstein> ideally, you could track to a raid array or something :)
[15:46] <holstein> anyways, theres no reason to record inside the encrypted area
[15:47] <holstein> if you were to go into a pro studio, they would be tracking to a different drive that the OS is on
[15:47] <arges> holstein, it just seems odd. so who is using the harddisk that much when recording other than the recording program?
[15:48] <arges> if we have sufficient memory in a system, we shouldn't be using the swap
[15:48] <holstein> arges: do what you like
[15:48] <holstein> i dont track to the same drive my OS is on
[15:48] <holstein> havent since i started
[15:48] <arges> holstein, i'm trying to understand why people do that : ) i've heard it too
[15:49] <holstein> arges: performance
[15:50] <holstein> if im tracking 24 tracks and 24/96, i might need something faster
[15:50] <holstein> plus, i might want some swappable drives so i can archive or whatever right from the disks kind of like they are analog tape
[15:50] <arges> holstein, yea that's another good reason
[15:51] <holstein> when im just tracking stereo data in the field, i'll just do that on the local disk, or even just some USB drive
[15:51]  * holstein gotta run
[15:51] <holstein> feel free to ask around in #opensourcemusicians
[15:52] <arges> cya
[15:52] <arges> thanks
[23:17] <g33kgyrl> hi i was looking to get some help with a sound issue with ubuntu studio... can anyone help?
[23:20] <holstein> g33kgyrl: you can ask here, or depending on how studio related it is, you can ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
[23:21] <holstein> also #opensourcemusicians
[23:21] <holstein> im about to run out, but i'll take a look :)
[23:22] <g33kgyrl> wow thats why i like this version of linux
[23:22] <g33kgyrl> i want to do music with it
[23:22] <g33kgyrl> welll i had sound untill yesterday, wehn i rebooted... it was fine for about 2 weeks
[23:23] <g33kgyrl> i checked the alsamixer everything is up
[23:23] <holstein> g33kgyrl: i would suggest maybe installing whatever DE you are comfortable with using
[23:23] <g33kgyrl> the grub i went back to my previous version, and it didnt work
[23:23] <g33kgyrl> and im stuck there
[23:23] <holstein> it sounds to me like there is something in the UI that you are not familiar with
[23:23] <g33kgyrl> whats a de?
[23:23] <g33kgyrl> im smart, but new to linux
[23:23] <holstein> DE = desktop environment
[23:24] <holstein> XFCE is probably not the one you are used to
[23:24] <holstein> you could have hit the mute button, and got something muted
[23:24] <holstein> also, like i mentioned before, when i mute in XFCE from the keyboard shortcuts, there is a bit of an issue unmuting
[23:25] <holstein> i would literally open all sound settings, including pavucontrol and start looking for mute buttons
[23:25] <holstein> i would consider installing main ubuntu and just use that and add whatever packages you need to it
[23:25] <holstein> if you are not going to be using JACK, it will be arguably overkill to have and use ubuntustudio
[23:26] <holstein> but, you can feel free to ask in here, or on the mailing list, or in one of the other channels i mentioned, or in #xubuntu
[23:26] <holstein> you can take screenshots
[23:26] <holstein> without setting in front of the machine, i cant really tell you what to do
[23:26] <holstein> *if* you have sound from a live CD, then the hardware is working
[23:26] <holstein> you can open a terminal and type into it
[23:27] <holstein> aplay -l
[23:27] <holstein> and hit return
[23:27] <holstein> this will return what sound devices are available
[23:27] <holstein> however, i really feel like its just a simple switch somewhere you are just unfamiliar with
[23:30] <holstein> it could also be the source... if you are not having sound when playing something in youtube for example
[23:30] <holstein> try only playing a local .ogg file, or some system sounds in something like VLC
[23:33] <holstein> g33kgyrl: i need to run out, but if you can try some of those other more broad avenues of support, im sure someone will help you out... or, i will be back about this time tomorrow, or we can schedule a time when you are less distracted, and i am not heading out for a concert :)


[00:00] <dutchie> Azelphur: i hope you have about 15 million gigs of ram too
[00:00] <ali1234> so what kind of server are you going to make?
[00:00] <Azelphur> 8GB with more if needed
[00:00] <ali1234> PvP?
[00:00] <Azelphur> atm it's creative, It isn't set in stone yet though
[00:04]  * ali1234 guesses the server name correctly first time
[00:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha you found it?
[00:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: you must be chinnybob :P
[00:13] <ali1234> guilty
[00:13] <Azelphur> :)
[00:18] <daftykins> 0o
[00:18] <daftykins> aww i was watching videos early last week on minecraft
[00:18] <daftykins> but i didn't want to pay for something ahead of a trial
[00:19] <daftykins> do i sound crazy? :>
[00:20] <Azelphur> nah, my friend was asking for a trial too earlier
[00:24] <daftykins> oh you can run your own server and let people on?
[00:24] <ali1234> only if they bought it
[00:24] <ali1234> it's well worth the money though
[00:26] <Azelphur> ali1234: re minecraft, I have weird issues where it lags for single players but not others
[00:27] <ali1234> the network code is pretty rubbish
[00:27] <Azelphur> it's happened to me a bunch of times, where I'll type something in minecraft, and see it come up in the server over ssh 20 seconds before it appears in the text box on the client for example
[00:27] <daftykins> :)
[00:27] <ali1234> round-trip ping...
[00:27] <Azelphur> haha
[01:57] <ali1234> aw, and i nearly had the roof on
[02:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol, it's not released yet as I say
[02:01] <Azelphur> it will be getting reset
[02:01] <Azelphur> I'm in the midst of setting it up
[02:02] <ali1234> you should turn mobs on, it's too easy withut them
[02:02] <Azelphur> but they destroy your magical creation
[02:02] <ali1234> not if you build it properly
[02:02] <Azelphur> true :P
[02:03] <ali1234> anyway, no lag issues, only the usual minecraft bugs
[02:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: we're all discussing it on my irc channel, I'm kinda making decisions in the cloud :p
[02:03] <Azelphur> so if you wanna join I'll raise the idea :P
[02:03] <ali1234> didn't see any chunk errors either, so that's good
[02:03] <Azelphur> :D
[02:03] <Azelphur> just getting a few nice plugins for it now
[02:04] <Azelphur> mainly player ability to toggle PVP mode, Ability to lock things, Version control, and banning fire :P
[02:04] <ali1234> i guess you'll want to ban TNT too then
[02:05] <Azelphur> nah, TNT has it's uses
[02:05] <Azelphur> fire doesn't really lol
[02:05] <Azelphur> *shrug* might ban TNT too
[02:08] <ali1234> oh yeah, without mobs you can make arrows but not a bow
[02:09] <ali1234> and you can't make TNT
[02:10] <Azelphur> hehe :P
[03:24] <HazRPG> hey all
[04:07] <arsen> daftykins   lol
[04:08] <arsen> funny how "coarseness" has my name in it :(
[04:52] <HazRPG> arsen: it does?
[05:06] <HazRPG> Woot! Just caught my first pokemon!
[05:07] <HazRPG> same there isn't a working emu for DreamCast on linux
[05:07]  * HazRPG looks at his Jet Set Radio box sadly
[05:50] <cardinalzero> morning
[06:20] <HazRPG> \o
[06:20] <cardinalzero> hey HazRPG how are you today
[06:21] <HazRPG> cardinalzero: I'm good thanks, how's you?
[06:37] <HazRPG> how's everyone doing this morning?
[07:03] <jam> connect irc.esper.net
[07:32] <HazRPG> there's a / missing from that :P
[08:05] <HazRPG> hmm, I'm having trouble calibrating my ps3 controller
[08:56] <andylockran> hey guys
[08:56] <andylockran> does the kernel log the timestamp the message was generated, or the time the message was logged in /var/log/messages?
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: the kernel logs a (its own) time stamp
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: the time in /var/log/kern.log is the time it was received/processed by syslog
[09:10] <kazade> o/
[09:12] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:12] <jam> ooer didn't know i was in this channel
[09:12] <jam> Good morning
[09:13] <AlanBell> hi jam
[09:13] <DJones> Morning all
[09:13] <AlanBell> speaking of jam, I think it is time for some toast
[09:13] <jam> strawberry of course
[09:20] <HazRPG> hey all :)
[09:26] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[09:26]  * BigRedS notes that Joomla doesn't like PHP5.3
[09:31] <daubers> Morning
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[09:33] <JamesTait> Guten Morgen bis alles! Glücklich Montag!
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> Glückliche* ;)
[09:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:37] <mungojerry> hello
[10:09] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[10:09] <pr0ph3t> what is the most secure way to set up a VPN in ubuntu?
[10:10] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Thanks for the correction. I'm actually quite pleased that that was the only one!
[10:10] <popey> !vpn
[10:12] <HazRPG> I thought vpn was already a built-in function?
[10:12] <HazRPG> or at least OpenVPN was...
[10:15] <daubers> \o/ openVPN
[10:16] <HazRPG> hurray for chicken!
[10:22] <pr0ph3t> erhm, sorry I am not connecting to an existing VPN, I need to connect to my linux box from another machine through a VPN,  if that make sense
[10:23] <pr0ph3t> so I need to set up the VPN
[10:23] <pr0ph3t> on ubuntu
[10:23] <Myrtti> do you need vpn or would any vpn like solution suffice?
[10:24] <pr0ph3t> Myrtti a PtPP VPN
[10:24] <pr0ph3t> it's to connect remotely to VLC mainly, to stream media from remote
[10:26] <pr0ph3t> basically is what in windows is called an incoming connection? That's how I set it up on windows 7
[10:26] <Myrtti> right
[10:27] <pr0ph3t> does that make sense?
[10:35] <pr0ph3t> so I want to set up a VPN server on ubuntu, that's what I need to do, I think
[10:35] <popey> !openvpn
[10:35] <popey> :)
[10:38] <drivlex> join #the_nexus
[10:39] <drivlex> ergh
[10:40] <pr0ph3t> thanks popey
[10:41] <directhex> openvpn is hard to get right
[10:41] <directhex> and a PITA with windows clients
[10:41] <directhex> openvpn is not pptp
[10:42] <directhex> using pptpd involves setting up Samba for windows active directory nonsense
[10:44] <daubers> directhex: Any VPN tech is hard to get right.
[10:44] <Myrtti> for any other use I'd recommend ssh portforwarding, but I suppose the throughput might be too little with ssh taking its toll
[10:49] <pr0ph3t> directhex, so if I need the point to point protocol I should use pptpd, or it doesn't matter I can use openvpn because they are both difficult to set up?
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> Argh
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> Another bug I reported has been marked duplicate of something
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> I don't know what that "something" is though
[10:50] <Myrtti> ptpp is just a term for one type of vpn
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> as the bug is s3kr1t
[10:50] <Myrtti> a vpn is a vpn
[11:03] <DJones> This could be a bit inconvinient for vodafone customers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12595681 disruption after a break-in in Basingstoke
[11:17] <screen-x> hi all :)
[11:17] <BigRedS> good morning!
[11:17] <davmor2> morning all
[11:22] <daubers> The more I read about the banshee/amazon thing, the more I start wondering how many of the more ... loud... FOSS advocates may be a bit out of touch with reality (and possibly leaning towards the marxist type philosophy)
[11:23] <daubers> Not that that's a bad thing. Just quite an interesting thing appearing because of assorted events
[11:25] <directhex> i understand all sides on the matter
[11:25] <directhex> part of it is sticker shock
[11:26] <directhex> i.e. "btw, we've never contributed to your app but we're taking 75% and your milkshake. kkthxbye"
[11:26] <directhex> which isn't entirely fair. canonical people are behind the mpris plugin afaik, and they've taken over maintainership of the u1ms plugin
[11:27] <Laney> i thought bertrand wrote mpris
[11:27] <ali1234> daubers: lots and lots of them are completely nuts
[11:27] <ali1234> \o/
[11:27] <directhex> Laney, did he? i'll check git
[11:27] <Laney> doing too!
[11:27] <Laney> race you
[11:27] <directhex> "free software advocates" are mostly non-contributing nutjobs with blogs
[11:28] <daubers> Yeah, I can see both sides, but it seems a bit nieve to not expect a corporate entity to want to make money out of something that they spend resources on integrating
[11:28] <ali1234> directhex: advocacy is a contribution (lol)
[11:28] <directhex> ali1234, "free software advocates" turn off people, not turn them on. they actively reduce free software adoption.
[11:29] <ali1234> directhex: yeah i know, hence (lol)
[11:29] <Myrtti> daubers: s/nieve/naïve/
[11:29] <directhex> daubers, who spent the resources, though? Laney has done more for banshee integration than all of canonical combined, and he's not even banshee maintainer
[11:31] <directhex> do canonical need funding? yes. but there needs to have been a significantly more transparent approach to the question of affiliate revenue in apps
[11:31] <directhex> what next, switching paypal donate links in gnome-do?
[11:31] <daubers> directhex: Maybe, but they're still giving up resources on their "product" (i.e. the Ubuntu Desktop, CD, blah blah blah) when they could spend resources making a banshee clone (ignoring the same arguments that would bring up)
[11:31] <ali1234> if gnome-do was the official UI, then probably
[11:32] <daubers> directhex: That I agree on, as much as I dislike the Apple "we take 25% of everything" approach, at least it's predictable
[11:33] <mungojerry> daubers: the irony is that some trolls who have been commenting widely on blogs regarding the banshee thing have been saying "i hope Mint/other project replace canonicals referral code and take the revenue".
[11:34] <mungojerry> so it sounds more like canonical hate...
[11:34] <directhex> daubers, it's more emotive than the previous times they've done it (e.g. firefox) because the money is being redirected from the non-profit gnome foundation. i.e. banshee devs wrote the addin to make money for gnome, and canonical's approach can be summed up as "yoink!"
[11:35] <daubers> I thought some other distros already replaced the code anyway? Or was that misinformation?
[11:36] <mungojerry> daubers: i would expect that they do replace it too
[11:36] <screen-x> banshee should pop up a dialogue when you first access the amazon store that says "who dya wanna support" with a load of logos underneath..
[11:37] <ali1234> "not amazon"
[11:38] <Myrtti> I'm so envious at czajkowski and her holiday by a swimming pool it hurts...
[11:38] <mungojerry> :(
[11:38] <mungojerry> haven't seen the sun in over 5 yrs
[11:39]  * mungojerry needs to get over his issues with flying
[11:39] <Myrtti> I don't really like being on a beach holiday, but any kind of holiday would be lovely
[11:39]  * daubers is looking forward to his boating holiday
[11:39] <Myrtti> mungojerry: you don't want to live my life then...
[11:39] <directhex> flying is fine. it's bridges that scare me
[11:39] <screen-x> Myrtti: Beaches are for launching :)
[11:39] <screen-x> daubers: boating++
[11:39] <Myrtti> or even less my bf's life
[11:39] <daubers> directhex: bridges--
[11:40] <mungojerry> directhex: at least you can close your eyes over a bridge...flying and the whole rigmorole is too much
[11:40] <mungojerry> for a whole day more or less
[11:40] <Myrtti> he flies twice a week approximately
[11:40] <daubers> mungojerry: Not advisable if you're driving over said bridge
[11:40] <mungojerry> :)
[11:40] <directhex> mungojerry, dealing with airport security is poopy, but i'm fine with the flying part
[11:40] <Myrtti> flew yesterday, flies on thursday, then on sunday, and then again on sunday
[11:40] <directhex> always have been
[11:40] <directhex> was flying unaccompanied from age 5
[11:40] <davmor2> Myrtti: don't be she'll have a fortnights worth of grief off of me to make up for her not being here this week :D
[11:40] <mungojerry> i used to fly a lot
[11:41] <mungojerry> but then developed a bit of a phobia
[11:41] <Myrtti> davmor2: I'm sure whatever you'll come up with is less than what I have in my hands.
[11:41] <mungojerry> i could always try valium..
[11:42] <davmor2> Myrtti: That sounds so wrong :D
[11:42] <screen-x> mungojerry: I would have thought a good code problem/book/film would be more effective
[11:42] <mungojerry> screen-x: it's more that it makes me v stressed and unwell..
[11:43] <mungojerry> meaning that airport and claustrophobia of a plane would be v difficult
[11:43] <daubers> mungojerry: In that case stop taking bad code problems/books/films :p
[11:43] <mungojerry> the wife understands though..she prefers sunny england
[11:43] <screen-x> mungojerry: wheres that?
[11:43] <mungojerry> east of utopia and up the road from atlantic
[11:44] <mungojerry> atlantis
[11:44]  * AlanBell looks at davmor2 and points to the naughty step
[11:45] <Myrtti> davmor2: I'm too tired to make innuendos or understand possible puns I might be making, so if it sounds wrong, then it wasn't meant to.
[11:45] <davmor2> daubers: the best of the whole canonical thing is, due to canonical having their own agreement with amazon and their own code they could of legitimately swapped it out and not told anyone, no one would be any wiser this has all kicked off because Canonical were trying to do the right thing and use their code that they are allowed to do but still give something back :)
[11:46] <davmor2> Myrtti: Forgiven :)  You're not sound on top form everything okay?
[11:46] <mungojerry> btw i heard that the unity screen that appears when you click the ubuntu icon is supposed to be full -screen..not on mine - anyone?
[11:46] <daubers> In all honesty, I don't think I care too much about the whole thing. It doesn't affect any engineering decision, and business stuff is just a bit too dull to catch my interest these days
[11:46] <Myrtti> davmor2: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/25/%23ubuntu-uk.html#t20:29
[11:47] <popey> :( Myrtti
[11:47] <davmor2> Myrtti: Arse! Sorry to hear that
[11:47] <mungojerry> :(
[11:48] <daubers> Myrtti: That sucks
[11:51] <Myrtti> for fun and profit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholangiocarcinoma - I've not managed to read past the first sentence of third paragraph
[11:53] <Myrtti> anyway, need to go to the national health insurance office to file some claims for mum
[11:53] <Myrtti> ttfn
[11:57] <SuperMatt> http://www.supermatt.net/Pictures/Misc/desktop-28-02-2011.jpg
[11:58] <SuperMatt> that's how I'm rocking mt desktop right now
[12:01] <mungojerry> he's behind the tree
[12:02] <pr0ph3t> I'm getting this message: MPPE required but peer negotiation failed, from pppd, which terminates. I am trying to connect to my VPN server without encryption because the client does not support it so I disabled it in the file /etc/ppp/options.pptp, but I still get the error message. Is there anywhere else I should remove the Encryption option?
[12:03] <daubers> SuperMatt: http://daubers.co.uk/~matt/desktop.png
[12:03] <SuperMatt> natty or maverick?
[12:03] <daubers> Natty
[12:03] <SuperMatt> I tried to install natty, but I couldn't install nvidia drivers at the same time as xserver
[12:04] <SuperMatt> so I dropped back to maverick
[12:04] <SuperMatt> maybe I'll try natty again next month
[12:04] <ali1234> that happens every time
[12:04] <ali1234> every time time during alpha i mean
[12:05]  * SuperMatt nods
[12:05] <SuperMatt> I'll wait a tiny bit longer, I'm in no rush
[12:06] <SuperMatt> though I ask myself: what is gnome 3 going to be like?
[12:07] <ali1234> "even worse"
[12:07] <pr0ph3t> SuperMatt, daubers, http://i55.tinypic.com/2n8u879.png
[12:08] <SuperMatt> "Microsoft gets a lot of stick for producing clunky software. But even during the dark days of the animated paperclip, or the infuriating ".docx" Word extension, they never shat out anything as abominable as iTunes – a hideous binary turd that transforms the sparkling world of music and entertainment into a stark, unintuitive spreadsheet." <- Oh Charlie Brooker, I love you even more now
[12:09] <pr0ph3t> ahaha
[12:10] <ali1234> so true. people who think apple products are successfuly because they are easy to use and therefore should be copied, really need to put the mouse down and walk away from the computer
[12:10] <SuperMatt> "No one uses terms like "sync" in real life. Not even C3PO. If I sync my DVD collection with yours, will I end up with one, two, or no copies of Santa Claus the Movie? It's like trying to work out the consequences of time travel, but less fun, and with absolutely no chance of being adapted into a successful screenplay."
[12:10] <screen-x> and then they came up with the iPod iOS app, which is worse.
[12:10] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I did enjoy that
[12:10] <SuperMatt> I thought iTunes was good in the early days
[12:10] <BigRedS> except his apparent liking of moving music around by dragging and dropping the files
[12:10] <SuperMatt> It played music, and that was what it did
[12:10] <BigRedS> that seems like a completely retarded way to do it as far as I can see
[12:10] <SuperMatt> now it does everything, apparently
[12:11] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: yeah, the last time I used iTunes it seems quite alright. about five years ago or so?
[12:11] <ali1234> BigRedS: why use a different metaphore for moving files, depending on what the file contains? that makes NO sense at all
[12:11] <ali1234> what if you don't know what the file contains? what then??
[12:11] <BigRedS> ali1234: What? That's precisely the problem with moving it around as files. I want to move my songs based on what the song is, not on where the file happens to be
[12:12] <ali1234> thing is, if you don't use stuff like itunes, you'll actually know where the file "happened to be" - where you left it
[12:12] <ali1234> itunes is like when your mum tidies up your room and you can't find anything for weeks
[12:12] <BigRedS> ali1234: Only if I particularly cared where it went when I got it, and I generally don't
[12:13] <BigRedS> I don't see why I'd need to, my music player appears to be able to find my music, index it and play it. I want to use exactly the information with which I choose music to play, to choose music to put on my mp3 player
[12:13] <BigRedS> to have to go from the rather nice abstraction of songs, artists and albums back into files on teh filesystem just seems like a backwards step
[12:14] <BigRedS> one which should be perfectly permissible, but it's a bit annoying that it's somehow seen as the process to aim for
[12:14] <ali1234> what you call a "nice abstraction of song..." i call a slow abomination of confusing mislabelled nonsense
[12:14] <BigRedS> my songs are generally labelled correctly and named atrociously. I can't rely on the filenames, and drag and drop requires that I do
[12:17] <pr0ph3t> well I guess it might be useful for people like me that can't be asked to name the songs correctly and would rather have it done automatically
[12:18] <pr0ph3t> although I hate it when I have to help my girlfriend use her mac
[12:20] <Baikonur> i watch way too much british tv
[12:25] <ali1234> more to the point though, if the computer knows where the files are because it indexed them, why can't it display them in a heirarchical structure that is compatible with the standard file browser?
[12:25] <ali1234> like a gnomevfs but for your music library
[12:25] <ali1234> this would solve the problem for everyone
[12:26] <shauno> I think the catch is, it's not a problem for everyone
[12:26] <ali1234> it's a problem for people even if they don't know it
[12:27] <ali1234> because when you learn to use itunes, those skills do not translate to any other application
[12:28] <ali1234> but file manager always works
[12:29] <shauno> except when it doesn't
[12:29] <ali1234> the only time it doesn't is when it has been deliberately crippled, like on macs, or windows if you don't turn off "hide hidden files and known file extensions"
[12:31] <shauno> I have a playlist of the n most played songs in my library, which I keep synced to portable devices.  I can't even begin to think how I'd replicate that searching a filesystem
[12:31] <ali1234> what do you do when you want to backup all your music?
[12:32] <shauno> it's already backed up, but it's just a big folder to sync to another drive/machine
[12:37] <mungojerry> i was given an itunes vocher for my bday (today :) ) what should i do?
[12:37] <directhex> mungojerry, ebay!
[13:12] <dwatkins> I would be amused if you got more for it on ebay than it's worth, mungojerry.
[13:14] <shauno> it wouldn't be unusual
[13:57] <mungojerry> directhex: yeah, on the back of the itunes card it says it can't be refunded for money..even if it doesn't work on my pc
[14:00] <s-fox> =)
[14:10]  * DJones is in shock, somebody has just come into work to book a holiday and is happy paying £9,000 per night for a hotel room
[14:11] <Laney> :-O
[14:11] <Myrtti> sounds like a honeymoon
[14:11] <Laney> what kind of hotel can you get for that?
[14:11] <Myrtti> I'd rather pay 9000 for a hotel room than have a ring of that price
[14:11] <DJones> Laney: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1060285/Pictured-Inside-800m-Dubai-hotel-boasting-13-000-night-suite-dolphins-flown-South-Pacific.html
[14:12] <DJones> Laney: Its not even a honeymoon, they just wanted a few nights away....Have they not heard of Blackpool
[14:12] <DJones> And the £9,000 doesn't include flights
[14:13] <Myrtti> also: ARRRRGGGHHH I've increased Daily Fails visitor count by atleast one :-<
[14:13] <Myrtti> why, why did I click the link
[14:13] <DJones> They've booked the room with fish tank wall
[14:13] <DJones> Myrtti: At least I didn't hide it in a short url
[14:14] <Myrtti> DJones: indeed
[14:14] <DJones> With hindsight, I could have linked to a Rick Ghastly video :)
[14:14] <Laney> that is fairly ghastly actually
[14:14] <Laney> give me a b&b in bournemouth ta
[14:15]  * AlanBell prefers hotels where they don't serve dolphin
[14:17] <DJones> ali1234: Thats always a plus
[14:17] <mungojerry> friend of mine paid £6k for a honeymoon and there was a hurricane on the island
[14:19] <screen-x> mungojerry: I dont think you get custom weather systems for £6k
[14:19]  * popey pokes directhex with a pm
[14:23] <hellomrjack> hi, im just having a bit of a problem with a program im using, its called pfhoe and its camera tracking software. the problem is that it isnt finding the libtiff (3) lib even though I do have it aliased#
[14:23] <hellomrjack> its closed source as well so i cannot re compile it
[14:23] <mungojerry> what's the error you are receiving hellomrjack
[14:24] <hellomrjack> http://codepad.org/2s7JKFDW
[14:24] <hellomrjack> in my /usr/lib i do have libtiff.so.3 though
[14:25] <mungojerry> can you type echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[14:26] <hellomrjack> /opt/ati-stream-sdk-v2.3/lib/x86_64/::/home/jack/NGL/lib
[14:26] <hellomrjack> i thought /usr/lib was included by default
[14:27] <mungojerry> you could try: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}
[14:27] <mungojerry> although it's not a permanent solution yet, it's to test that it work
[14:28] <hellomrjack> yep that gets past that problem but now its got this http://codepad.org/VPDRDHl2
[14:28] <hellomrjack> ah i might not have installed the 32bit libs since i reinstalled
[14:34] <hellomrjack> ah i just needed to link the 32bit libs
[14:35] <mungojerry> cool
[14:36] <mungojerry> you can make it permanent by editing the .bashrc or .bash_profile to modify the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[14:37] <mungojerry> not sure where you have it defined
[14:51] <Myrtti> ho-hum, Monday feeling kicked in
[14:52]  * Laney is enjoying Other Peoples Code™
[15:44] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka, how's the world treating you
[15:50] <davmor2> popey: you created a bug a while ago about software-center not saying it was in Secure mode do you know what bug nuber it was at all?
[15:50] <davmor2> number even
[15:51] <popey> hmm
[15:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm on a late shift today, so rubbish :)
[15:53] <davmor2> :(
[15:53] <popey> bug 637649
[15:58] <davmor2> popey: thanks
[15:58] <popey> np
[16:03] <kazade> ok peeps, aside from implementing the streaming API, anyone have any wishlist requests for a Twitter client?
[16:03] <popey> should have reply and reply-all
[16:04] <popey> retweet should let me edit before posting
[16:04] <popey> I should be able to use my own url shortening service
[16:04] <DJones> Similar to tweetdeck to have a window for a seatch/hashtag
[16:04] <popey> images should appear inline, but when clicked they should open in a new windows
[16:04] <popey> i.e. not in a browser at tinypic.com
[16:04] <DJones> identi.ca + farcebook api's
[16:05] <gord> <everything that is in gwibber but less laggy>
[16:05] <DJones> Definable update intervals
[16:05] <kazade> popey, so you want just a dialog window containing the image?
[16:05] <popey> yes
[16:05] <kazade> k
[16:05] <popey> the full size one :)
[16:05] <kazade> DJones, I'm working out some logic so it updates as often as possible without going over the rate limit
[16:06] <DJones> As gord said like gwibber but with an extra 50Mb of free ram :)
[16:06] <popey> kazade: cross platform :)
[16:06] <gord> kazade, is the rate limit per application or per account?
[16:06] <DJones> Multiple twitter accounts
[16:06] <kazade> gord, hmm, good point
[16:06] <kazade> I think it's per-IP/per account
[16:06] <gord> right so don't do that then
[16:06] <kazade> but, it may be per OAuth key
[16:06] <mungojerry> kazade: saved searches
[16:06] <kazade> I'll have to double check
[16:07] <kazade> DJones, multiple twitter accounts works already ;)
[16:07] <gord> my phone talks to twitter, my netbook talks to twitter, my laptop and my desktop do all at once, i don't want one application going crazy with it updates
[16:07] <dwatkins> gord: thanks for reminding me, I still need to get OAUTH to work from a Perl bot I run.
[16:07] <mungojerry> kazade: i would love to be able to hide people from my twitter timeline for a while without unfollowing them :P
[16:08] <kazade> mungojerry, excellent idea
[16:09] <kazade> gord, it's per OAuth
[16:09] <mungojerry> kazade: are you thinking of working on an existing client or making a new one
[16:10] <kazade> I've made a new one, in C++/Gtk/Webkit ... it's really lightweight :)
[16:10] <kazade> I've only been working on it for a couple of days, but I have an updated feed running off two accounts atm
[16:10] <mungojerry> i'm a hotot user because of speed, but it's missing features that gwibber implements
[16:10] <DJones> If its got multiple accounts, to be able to specify which accounts get the status update sent to
[16:10] <Ng> why do people keep using giant html rendering engines for tweets?
[16:10] <kazade> DJones, yeah, I intend to do that
[16:11] <Ng> 160 characters in a scrollyview, how can that possibly need a web browser?! :(
[16:11] <kazade> Ng, because a.) it's easy to style b.) image loading is "free" c.) It handles hyperlinks automatically
[16:11] <kazade> it's convenience more than anything
[16:11] <mungojerry> i would like to have separate streams permanently showing that just show my favourite searches e.g. #ubuntu -RT
[16:11] <mungojerry> which brings me to the following idea
[16:11] <Baikonur> my twitter app doubles as a browser
[16:12] <mungojerry> ability to remove any RT'd tweet from my view
[16:12] <mungojerry> a "hide all RTs" button
[16:12] <DJones> kazade: User choice for the font/font sizes used to display and the option to not see user pic's to minimise the required screen space
[16:12] <popey> kazade: regret asking yet?
[16:13] <kazade> popey, er... a little ;)
[16:13] <popey> kazade: ability to ignore hashtags
[16:13] <DJones> As with gwibber and MahTweets on Windows, a combined timeline with multiple accounts in a single window :)
[16:13] <mungojerry> popey , yeah but then his client would rock
[16:13] <DJones> I'll stop now, my brain is hurting
[16:13] <kazade> DJones, done
[16:13] <kazade> popey, how do you mean "ignore hashtags" ?
[16:13] <kazade> as in, if they contain the hashtag, don't show the tweet at all?
[16:14] <mungojerry> kazade: have you thought of joining gwibber project since that is default in ubuntu and seriously needs some performance and feature work
[16:14] <kazade> mungojerry, I'm going a different direction to them
[16:14] <DJones> kazade: If you want people to test it, I'm quite happy to run it on 10.10
[16:14] <kazade> UI wise and technology wise
[16:14] <popey> kazade: as in, when question time is on, i might not want to see all #bbcqt ones
[16:14] <kazade> DJones, at the moment it'll only run on Natty because of the webkit requirement, I'm waiting for an answer on StackOverflow to see if there is a workaround
[16:14] <popey> then i can unignore it later
[16:15] <kazade> popey, ok
[16:15] <popey> maybe ignore for an hour
[16:15] <popey> thats usually sufficient
[16:15] <popey> that would _rock_ as a feature
[16:15] <mungojerry> popey, i think that could best be implemented as a filter for your own timeline
[16:15] <DJones> kazade: No worries, I'm holding off upgrading to natty because my last experience wasn't too sucessful
[16:15] <popey> i only ever view my own timeline
[16:16] <kazade> DJones, it's likely I won't have a release for some time, maybe not until Natty ;)
[16:16]  * kazade looks at the todo list
[16:16] <kazade> definitely a while
[16:16] <popey> heh
[16:16] <DJones> After the last 5 minutes, its probably a todo pad, not just a list
[16:16] <mungojerry> specially with all these features :)
[16:16] <dutchie> is there source anywhere yet?
[16:16] <kazade> dutchie, no, not yet
[16:16] <popey> kazade: did you see my "cross platform" one? :D
[16:17] <mungojerry> kazade: what's your favourite twitter client at the moment? are you taking inspiration from anywhere else
[16:17] <dutchie> i don't know why i'm asking, my C++ is a bit rusty
[16:17] <kazade> probably gonna LGPL it and have a pro version in the software centre
[16:17] <kazade> mungojerry, I'm trying to take UI cues from Elementary..
[16:17] <kazade> so simple
[16:17] <kazade> no menu
[16:17] <kazade> well, menubar
[16:17] <kazade> popey, yes, I saw cross platform ;)
[16:18] <kazade> it is cross platform at the moment, if I could be bothered to spend a couple of days getting libraries working on Windows
[16:19] <mungojerry> it's also annoying when the twitter client starts up and tell you about mentions that it already told you about
[16:20] <popey> http://identi.ca/notice/65642441
[16:20] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/42257575592472576
[16:20] <popey> could do with some re-tweeting :D
[16:20] <bigcalm> popey: venue booked?
[16:21] <Myrtti> identica, the pox of modern social media
[16:21] <Myrtti> *cough*
[16:21] <bigcalm> The platform or the users?
[16:22] <Myrtti> good question.
[16:22] <Myrtti> software is nice.
[16:22] <Myrtti> or the platform
[16:26] <gord> i had to remove myself from the ubuntu group on identica, it wasn't something that i wanted to be a part of
[16:26] <mungojerry> my twitter account got followed by an (spammy) identica user , not sure how that works but i couldn't block them
[16:29] <gord> hehe a bunch of my testing for unity places went into firefox somehow, if anyone ever needs to know where to find a "sdaasdasdddsasdsaasdsssdsssda" on google, i am your man
[16:30] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:32] <bigcalm> Humf
[16:32] <bigcalm> My keyboard order hasn't been processed yet
[16:33] <bigcalm> Is Kentucky a laid back state?
[16:36] <gord> the only thing i know about kentucky is that they like chicken
[16:37] <bigcalm> They can't like them that much if they keep killing them
[16:37] <mungojerry> i've seen some funny rip-offs of KFC in my time e.g. kansas fried chicken, etc but the best one was KentOcky fried chicken
[16:38]  * DJones awaits the wrath of AlanChicken on mungojerry for chicken abuse
[16:43] <mungojerry> did i mention that i like eating chickens?
[16:54] <hamitron> grrrrrrrrr
[16:55] <hamitron> move everything to a new comp and found it has some hardware fault
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> \o everyone
[17:49] <daubers> Gah!
[17:49] <daubers> I _hate_ compiled languages
[17:50] <daubers> always take me forever to remember how to use the blasted compilers
[17:50] <gord> daubers, learn automake ;)
[17:50] <ali1234> that's only a problem for the likes of java and .net, which have too many compilers with too many options
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> hmmm Perl :)
[18:32] <KrimZon> argh!
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon: ?
[18:32] <KrimZon> ok, I downloaded an ubuntu 10.04 iso, used startup disk creator to put it on a usb stick, then tried installing wubi on another machine
[18:33] <KrimZon> then wubi started downloading the iso I already downloaded to make the ubuntu stick in the first place
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> I don't know.. never used Wubi
[18:35] <KrimZon> I love it, it was how I started using ubuntu as my 'main' operating system
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> what's wrong with partition resizing?
[18:36] <KrimZon> at the time it was daunting, and for this particular instance I just need it to rip dvds on the games machine
[18:36] <Myrtti> wubi :-<
[18:36] <KrimZon> cause the games machine is faster and transcodes at a higher framerate than the video
[18:37] <KrimZon> then I can upload them to my home server running ubuntu, and play them from my eee pc or laptop which both run ubuntu
[19:05] <Jibadeeha> KrimZon, what bitrate are you ripping them at
[19:07] <KrimZon> 640 ish
[19:11] <KrimZon> !!! even burning the iso to disc it still then downloads the iso
[19:12] <Jibadeeha> KrimZon, i've been ripping my dvd collection recently at 2000 and 3000 for stand-up comedy where lots of black background .. being doing this on a netbook and seems to take about 2 hours per DVD
[19:14] <KrimZon> well, I got 20fps transcoding on the laptop and 70-80 on the desktop machine
[19:15] <Jibadeeha> KrimZon, do you do 2-pass encoding?
[19:15] <Myrtti> kekek. http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3001
[19:15] <KrimZon> dvd::rip does, with the options I give it
[19:20] <Jibadeeha> i like dvd::rip but the only thing that stopped me using it was there is no queuing mechanism
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> handbrake \o/
[19:20] <Jibadeeha> yeah handbrake is what i am using now and can leave my DVDs queued up over night
[19:20] <Jibadeeha> works a treat
[19:21]  * MartijnVdS is old-fashioned and plays DVDs from the disc
[19:21] <Cepheus> me too. I don't rewatch films enough to warrant ripping them
[19:24] <Jibadeeha> MartijnVdS, i need the space so ripped them and put them in the loft
[19:25]  * MartijnVdS just bought some new Billy bookcases to put them in :)
[19:25] <Jibadeeha> missus doesn't like them on display lol
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> ah there's the problem: you got the missus BEFORE your DVDs :)
[19:25] <Jibadeeha> pmsl
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> :P
[19:26] <Jibadeeha> i was waiting for the "find a new missus then", but it works out cheaper to rip the DVDs lol
[19:54] <HazRPG> hey all :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> \o HazRPG
[19:54] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o :)
[20:00] <HazRPG> I've been messing around with PCSX recently :)
[20:00] <HazRPG> its come along way since I last used it
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> pcsx?
[20:00] <HazRPG> yeah it's a playstation emulator
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:02] <HazRPG> I tell ya what, a game I own (called: Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure) never played right on my PSone - I think I've found out why!
[20:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Frustration, thy name is trying to work on two projects - http://philbull.livejournal.com/58459.html
[20:03] <HazRPG> I think as they shrunk they playstation over time, they also removed some features
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: did they?
[20:04] <HazRPG> because whenever the main character would sing (or would play her instrument to add them to roster of playables), never actually made those sounds. I assumed back then that it was the game built that way
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> it was
[20:05] <HazRPG> but using an old BIOS in  pcsx, its actually playing them
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[20:05] <HazRPG> I never realised she actually sung the words!
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> US vs European vs Japanese firmware ?
[20:06] <HazRPG> I'm using a European firmware, since I have European games on disc
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: which game, specifically?
[20:07] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: "Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure"
[20:07] <HazRPG> on my actual console, it never actually played the singing music
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you could try in a PS3.. if she sings there it's a pcsx bug :)
[20:07] <HazRPG> only SFX and background music
[20:08] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: No I mean pcsx plays them! My console never actually did! :o
[20:08] <KrimZon> hmm... that's a point, I only tried handbrake in windows and it couldn't decode the disc
[20:09] <KrimZon> my brother said it worked on his mac though
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon: region lock?
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try asking around on some playstation forums?
[20:10] <HazRPG> I had two consoles, an NTSC PSone, and a PAL PSX... Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure is an NTSC game - she never sang, I always read the lyrics off the screen... but using pcsx she actually sings :D! It's like playing a whole new game! :P
[20:10] <KrimZon> I don't know what it was, probably css
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon: that's another name for dvd  region locking
[20:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: No point really, more convenient for me to play it on my PC (sister always hogs the TV - main reason for downloading the Emu. in the first place)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: time to move out :P
[20:13] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Why should I :P? My parents don't live here, nor do they visit - or have plans on ever coming back, but the house is paid for. Cheaper to stay at home, plus it means I can look out for my sister :)
[20:14] <gord> yup moving out, waaaay cheeper than buying a new tv ;)
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: hm, sounds like a nice arrangement :)
[20:14] <HazRPG> gord: Cheaper to stay with my sis :P
[20:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: It is, plus my parents are split up - so I have 2 houses to pick from. However too much hassle to sort my dad's place out, it got struck with the floods a few years ago and is completely empty almost.
[20:15] <gord> HazRPG, irony, its conveyed on internet via the use of elongation of words
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> gord: eeeeloooonnnggggaaaaattiiooooon?
[20:16] <HazRPG> gord: how do ya mean?
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: imagine gord rolling his eyes while saying "waaaaay cheaper"
[20:17] <gord> HazRPG, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggXmKPMaHMo
[20:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Plus the house is in a bad part of town...
[20:17] <HazRPG> (dad's I mean)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: internet -> no need to go outside ;)
[20:19] <HazRPG> gord: ah... with ya now
[20:19] <HazRPG> I use 8-) for rolling eyes
[20:20] <HazRPG> or ¬.¬
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:20] <HazRPG> that works too
[20:20] <HazRPG> but I can't type that on my keyboard :P
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I've taught my irssi that "/lod" means that :)
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (look of disapproval)
[20:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: nice one :P
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: /alias lod say ಠ_ಠ
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: /save
[20:22] <Myrtti> :')  http://bit.ly/i9PCIm
[20:22] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: not using irssi
[20:22] <kewxedge> *waves*
[20:23] <kewxedge> <-- new to Ubuntu
[20:23] <HazRPG> kewxedge: welcome to the community \o/
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: "Sorry, you're not authorized to see this status"
[20:23] <Myrtti> oh. strange
[20:24] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I just thought - Playstation 3 has baaaaaad PSX/PS2 emulation
[20:24] <Myrtti> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78514#c19 then
[20:24] <kewxedge> thanks HazRPG :) Im loving it so far... only issue im having is with exchange mail - but tbh thats what OWA can be for :)
[20:24] <HazRPG> which is ironic, since you'd think that sony _knows_ how their own system works :/
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they dropped ps2 emu after the first generation hardware
[20:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I still own a ps3 60GB fat :D
[20:25] <HazRPG> \o/
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: my 40G fat died, so I now have a 250G slim
[20:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what happened to it?
[20:25] <kewxedge> oh yeh, i forgot - streaming to Airport Express seems a bit of a pita too... not figured that out! I had one fix for it, but it crashed the airport express lol
[20:25] <HazRPG> kewxedge: hehe :P
[20:26] <HazRPG> kewxedge: Ubuntu & its community is awesome :)
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: HDMI stopped working
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: still works on my brother's TV though, so now he has it
[20:26] <kewxedge> yeh im good mates with Nafallo so if he's anything to go by it should all be good :)
[20:27] <kewxedge> once ive figured out the airport express crapness it'll be good to go
[20:27] <HazRPG> kewxedge: I was having troubles with Flash not playing fullscreen stuff properly because of TwinView in the nVidia drivers, and ali1234 made a fix to help within hours of saying I had problems :D
[20:27] <kewxedge> hah nice :D
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Flash doesn't play fullscreen _anyway_
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: twinview or not..
[20:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: random...
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> it just shows one frozen frame
[20:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Really?  I didnt admit to that :E
[20:28] <HazRPG> kewxedge: Hmm, I use chrome and I haven't had that issue either - weird.
[20:28] <kewxedge> Its mostly youtube that breaks in chrome for me
[20:29] <kewxedge> does it on my windows machine here and at home too
[20:29] <kewxedge> * work
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ah, full screen video works in natty
[20:29] <HazRPG> kewxedge: I'm an eclectic when it comes to music, so I wouldn't worry ;). However rock is my music of choice, I still have and listen to other stuff though.
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it's VERY choppy, but it works
[20:30] <ali1234> can't use twinview on natty... so yeah
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: intel intel intel :)
[20:30] <kewxedge> Right :) nice to meet y'all but I need to go and fix SickBeard and SabNZB then make myself some food! Not eaten since lunch :(
[20:31] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: using 10.10 here
[20:31] <HazRPG> kewxedge: might just be hardware incompatibility then
[20:32] <HazRPG> kewxedge: adobe can be _very_ slow at updating stuff
[20:33] <HazRPG> kewxedge: hehe sure no problem, hope to see ya around :)
[20:33] <HazRPG> ali1234: still haven't tried natty on my setup yet
[20:34] <HazRPG> I fear using it on my development system, however seems to run okay for most stuff on my netbook/laptop
[20:34] <HazRPG> just not a huge fan of unity
[20:35] <safiyyah> anyone got time to help me with nvidia?
[20:35] <safiyyah> hi daftykins
[20:35] <HazRPG> safiyyah: what's up?
[20:36] <safiyyah> just need to install it and get it working
[20:36] <safiyyah> i am running meerkat
[20:36] <HazRPG> safiyyah: have you installed them before?
[20:36] <safiyyah> i see no xorg.conf file
[20:36] <HazRPG> safiyyah: guessing that would be a no then :P
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Only install them if you're 100% sure you need them :)
[20:37] <HazRPG> agreed
[20:37] <safiyyah> HazRPG,  yes on lucid and hardy and i needed xorg.conf
[20:37] <safiyyah> well i have never not had them lol
[20:37] <HazRPG> same tbh
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Sure you have.. the system started in a graphics mode, didn't it :)
[20:37] <safiyyah> but i rarely upgrade.... hate the fidling
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> and nouveau is getting better all the time
[20:37] <safiyyah> i have an nvidia card
[20:38] <ali1234> with no xorg.conf you get nouveau
[20:38] <HazRPG> right, easiest way would be to go to System -> Admin -> Additional Drivers
[20:38] <safiyyah> erm..... stay here because normal the resolution goes mad
[20:38] <HazRPG> then pick whichever you want to install
[20:39] <HazRPG> I usually go with the "... (version current) [Recommended]" one
[20:40] <safiyyah> i have selected that one and am no bracing myself
[20:40] <safiyyah> for the bezerk resolution
[20:40] <HazRPG> however if you don't mind a bit of terminal, you could type in "sudo apt-cache search nvidia" and look for the one you'd like to install, and apt-get that
[20:41] <safiyyah> i did it the first way
[20:41] <HazRPG> safiyyah: noticed after I'd sent it :P
[20:42] <HazRPG> safiyyah: you will have to restart for it to take effect, or at least restart X
[20:42] <safiyyah> like i said.... it's time to pray
[20:42] <safiyyah> lol
[20:42]  * HazRPG loves the CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE function once its re-enabled :)
[20:43] <HazRPG> safiyyah: hehe :P - it should work fine :)
[20:43] <safiyyah> it never works out of the box for me
[20:43] <safiyyah> i will be back with a crazyyyyy resolution
[20:43] <safiyyah> brb
[20:43] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Must agree, nouveau is getting better :)
[20:44] <Nafallo> kewxedge: ♥
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: re: ps3 -- oops: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/ps3-shipments-halted-in-europe-as-sony-and-lg-fight-over-blu-ray-patent.ars
[20:48] <zleap> i am trying (or struggling) to play back an ogv file of sintel (open movie) i get sound but no picture
[20:48] <zleap> i am not sure what i have done wrong or not got loaded
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> zleap: which player?
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> zleap: also, which video codec? :)
[20:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Wow! I was seriously wondering when that would happen :P
[20:50] <zleap> vlc
[20:50] <zleap> and ogv codec
[20:50] <HazRPG> zleap: have you tried in MPlayer?
[20:51] <zleap> is that the same as movie player on the menus
[20:51] <HazRPG> zleap: yeah it is :)
[20:53] <HazRPG> there is an application called "GNOME MPlayer" too though, which is light-weight (in terms of UI) similar to VLC
[20:53] <zleap> ok that seems to work after a while
[20:53] <zleap> i think it takes time to open
[20:53] <HazRPG> zleap: it worked in Movie Player?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> zleap: ogv can be theor or wbm
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> webm
[20:53] <zleap> yeah
[20:54] <zleap> ok
[20:54] <zleap> so there are 2 different versions of ogv
[20:54] <HazRPG> I've noticed the VLC in the repo for 10.10 and 10.04 seems to be a bit buggy for some video formats
[20:55] <zleap> ah
[20:55] <zleap> that explains a lot of issues i have been having with things then
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> zleap: no, ogg is a container, it could contain anything really :)
[20:56] <zleap> how do i use ls to include how much space a set of files are talking up
[20:57] <zleap> lh
[20:57] <zleap> where h is human readable
[20:57] <Safiyyah> okay!!!!!!
[20:57] <zleap> Safiyyah, hows you
[20:58] <Safiyyah> i am now in a live disk, when I rebooted my monitor says there is no signal from the PC. The computer did boot up though, I even heard the log in noise
[20:58] <Safiyyah> zleap... still in my computer misery moment
[20:59] <Safiyyah> HazRPG,
[21:00] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: Hmm... which graphics card do you have?
[21:01]  * zleap is watching sintel
[21:01] <HazRPG> zleap: I like that short :)
[21:01] <Safiyyah> okay i mounted me root drive and xorg.conf has now been created
[21:01]  * HazRPG really wishes it would be turned into a game
[21:01] <zleap> well just got it working,  read up vlc is buggy
[21:01] <Safiyyah> how do I use the terminal and sudo into my hard drive?
[21:01] <Safiyyah> i am on live disk
[21:02] <zleap> you should be able to mount it,
[21:02] <HazRPG> zleap: I only use vlc for audio for that reason - although recently started using "gnome mplayer" as a replacement for vlc
[21:03] <Safiyyah> HazRPG,   VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400 GS]
[21:03] <Safiyyah> HazRPG,  gnome mplayer is better than VLC
[21:03] <Safiyyah> on ubuntu
[21:03] <Safiyyah> back to my problem
[21:03] <Safiyyah> i need root priviledges from the live disk please
[21:03] <Safiyyah> anyone?
[21:03] <zleap> wel if vlc is still buggy is 11.04  it needs to be replaced with something more reliable
[21:04] <Safiyyah> daftykins,  please ?
[21:05] <HazRPG> zleap: vlc doesn't get installed as standard does it?
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> totem = default
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> and it's not all bad
[21:05] <zleap> ah
[21:06] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: can you not just type: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:07] <zleap> thats interesting the 1280 version seems to work where as the higher definition one doesm't  (2048)
[21:07] <zleap> this is in mplayer
[21:08] <HazRPG> zleap: like I said, gnome mplayer might be a better alternative for you if you prefer the style of vlc :)
[21:08] <zleap> this is mplayer
[21:08] <zleap> i think the larger format seems to be causing other issues the 1280 one plays fine
[21:08] <HazRPG> never tried the 2048 version
[21:09] <gord> 2048 might be bigger than your gpu can handle tbh
[21:09] <Safiyyah> HazRPG, i am on live disk remember?
[21:09] <zleap> well its an old geforce4
[21:09] <zleap> ok
[21:10] <zleap> i will copy the files to mp3
[21:10] <zleap> i mean dvd
[21:11] <gord> yeah an old geforce 4 won't be able to handle things of that resolution really
[21:11] <gord> too big
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> but it has more pixels
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> so it must be infinitely better!
[21:13] <gord> the 2048 version is very pretty :)
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> it's also annoying
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> as most hd equipment is made for 1080, not TWICE that :)
[21:14] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: you should be able to boot up in rescue mode on the liveCD
[21:14] <gord> right, but monitors often have > 1080p
[21:14] <gord> the 1080p version is what you want for your "HD" equipment
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> gord: In which world do you live, and can I live there too?
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> Affordable monitors are 1920x1080 max
[21:14] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: you'll need to know what what mount point you'll need to be using though
[21:15] <Safiyyah> HazRPG, brb i changed the file
[21:15] <gord> MartijnVdS, if you bought a monitor that is 1080, you really just bought a tv
[21:15] <Safiyyah> erm what do i need to press in order to boot from recovery mode?
[21:15] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: ah, guessing you managed to do it without going into recovery mode
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> gord: sue, 1920x1200 then.. still isn't 2048ish
[21:16] <gord> MartijnVdS, no 2048 is more for projectors and cinema screenings, that sort of thing
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> ah, Expensive Hardware®
[21:16] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-boot-ubuntu-linux-rescue-mode/
[21:16] <gord> MartijnVdS, but downscaled 2048 is nicer than upscaled 1080
[21:16] <Azelphur> 500W PSU should be fine for a Q6600 (2.4ghz quad), 8800GT, 1 SATA HDD, DVD-RW and a couple case fans right?
[21:18] <Safiyyah> okay brb
[21:18] <gord> sounds okay, there are online calculators for psu wattage you need though
[21:18] <gord> can't remember where
[21:18] <Azelphur> yea, I ran it through one of those and it recommends 450 or so
[21:20] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I just thought, doesn't grub automatically add a recovery mode anyways without the LiveCD?
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> it does
[21:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Hmm, just having one of those days I guess :/
[21:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'll let him know when he gets back :)
[21:24] <HazRPG> gord, MartijnVdS: That's one thing I've never understood of the TV world... they keep talking about "Oh wow, HD! It does 1080p!", but my monitors in the past have been able to achieve more than that for years!
[21:25] <ali1234> HazRPG: but not your graphics card
[21:25] <popey> mmmm 4K :)
[21:25] <dutchie> HazRPG: http://xkcd.com/732/
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: do you have 4k-capable equipment yet? :)
[21:25] <popey> nope :(
[21:26] <ali1234> xkcd gets dumber all the time
[21:26] <ali1234> i would like to see a PC from 2004 play 1080p video without dropping frames
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: there are 500 funny things in the world. He made >500 comics.
[21:26] <ali1234> hint: at the time it wasn't possible without very specialist hardware
[21:26] <popey> hah
[21:27]  * popey clicks "report problem" as compiz crashes (again)
[21:27] <HazRPG> dutchie: heh, I don't recall seeing that one for some reason :S
[21:27]  * popey sends his 20MB report
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: do your bugs get marked as duplicates of other (secret!) bugs as well?
[21:27] <popey> hehe, not yet
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> mine get marked like that all the time
[21:28]  * popey opens spotify
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> (the automatic apport ones)
[21:28] <HazRPG> ali1234: My 8800GTS that I've had for years has been able to render stuff high higher than 1080p
[21:28] <kewxedge> Nafallo <3
[21:28] <popey> HazRPG: only in the last year or two
[21:28] <popey> VDPAU is fairly recent
[21:29] <popey> bug 724874
[21:30] <ali1234> in 2004 GF6800 was considered high end and probably cost about £300
[21:30]  * popey tickles cbx333
[21:30] <cbx333> oooooh
[21:31] <cbx333> hey there popey
[21:31] <cbx333> howz it going
[21:31] <ali1234> (6800 doesn't support vdpau)
[21:32] <cbx33> popey, up to much?
[21:33] <gord> popey, i think that got fixed today
[21:33] <popey> cbx33: nope :D
[21:33] <popey> cbx33: and yes!
[21:33] <popey> podcast starts tomorrow
[21:33] <popey> we're introducing a quiz :D
[21:33] <cbx33> hahah
[21:33] <cbx33> awesome
[21:33] <popey> so listen in and see if you can get the answers right before us :)
[21:34]  * cbx33 is just working on the git book
[21:34] <HazRPG> popey: I'm sure I've been using more than 1080p for more than just a couple of years though
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: your ps3 can do it :)
[21:35]  * HazRPG recalls my 7600GT and 6800GT
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> ♥ Wipeout HD in 1080p goodness
[21:35]  * cbx33 had a 7300 GT OC
[21:35] <cbx33> :)
[21:35] <HazRPG> cbx33: nice :)
[21:35] <gord> <3 wipeout hd in 720p goodness in threeee deeeee
[21:36] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: obviously :P
[21:36] <cbx33> hehe
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> gord: I can't stand the 3d hype
[21:36] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Agreed :/
[21:36] <ali1234> yes, PC games have been able to run in 1080p for years, but that's a totally different situation...
[21:37] <HazRPG> ali1234: so have digital cameras ;)
[21:37] <ali1234> again, not for video, only stills
[21:37] <popey> gord: when does your 3ds come?
[21:38] <gord> popey, erm late march i think? the release date is march 20something
[21:38] <HazRPG> ali1234: only because film producers wouldn't :P
[21:39] <HazRPG> popey: ooo quiz :D
[21:39] <gord> one of the really cool things about the 3ds is that it can take and view 3d photo's, looking forward to that hugely
[21:40] <dogmatic69> cant iphone do that?
[21:40] <dogmatic69> read something about 3d pics on it
[21:40] <gord> wuh? no.. noooooo
[21:40] <gord> the iphone does not have a 3d camera and the iphone certainly does not have a 3d display
[21:42] <dutchie> you can play minecraft in 3d ;)
[21:42] <ali1234> anaglyph doesn't work too well with the pixel textures and bright primary colours
[21:42] <HazRPG> gord: tell you what, main thing I'm looking forward to on the 3ds is the augmented reality :)
[21:43] <gord> i bugged notch on twitter about adding proper 3d to mindcraft, he agreed and went out and bought a 3d monitor. but nothing has come from it :(
[21:43] <AlanBell> you can do augmented reality on Ubuntu
[21:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: my minecraft server is nearly ready, I've got cool things like live map, irc relay, and a water slide :D
[21:43] <Azelphur> can't get better than a water slide.
[21:44] <HazRPG> gord: give him time :P
[21:44] <HazRPG> AlanBell: really?
[21:44] <gord> bah time, this was before you guys were even playing minecraft! :P
[21:44] <ali1234> AlanBell: really? ubuntu has an API for GPS/compass that actually works?
[21:44] <gord> geoclue
[21:44] <gord> for location anyway
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: checking your nick sorting algorithms? :)
[21:50] <Azelphur> nope, just my internet going down
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> or did you grow a beard ;)
[21:52] <kewxedge> So has anyone here for an Airport Express and actually got it working without the need to run iTunes in wime?
[21:52] <AlanBell> ali1234: no, but hang on I will show you . . .
[21:52] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/artoolkit.ogv
[21:53] <AlanBell> me mucking about with artoolkit
[21:53] <kewxedge> * wine
[22:02] <HazRPG> AlanBell: awesome!
[22:04] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: how'd it go?
[22:06] <popey> http://www.britishrailways.tv/british-railways?task=viewvideo&video_id=1708  Choo choo!
[22:06] <Safiyyah> so i installed the nvidia drivers off the restricted drivers facility. The system boots but no signal on the monitor
[22:06] <popey> Safiyyah: is it a clean install?
[22:07] <Safiyyah> its a day old
[22:07] <Safiyyah> completely clean
[22:07] <Safiyyah> even reformatted
[22:07] <Safiyyah> its was fine until i added nvidia
[22:07] <popey> ok
[22:07] <popey> are you at the machine now?
[22:08] <Safiyyah> i don't understand why i cant get into recovery mode and reconfigure x server from there
[22:08] <Safiyyah> but then i did specifically tell grub to boot from /root because it kept giving me initramfs black screen
[22:08] <Safiyyah> yes am at the machine
[22:08] <Safiyyah> i am on a live disk
[22:08] <Safiyyah> i cant find anything helpful on google either
[22:09] <popey> hang on
[22:09] <ali1234> so, let me get this straight... every time you install nvidia, you get black screen?
[22:09] <popey> can you get online and talk here whilst booted to recovery mode?
[22:09] <Safiyyah> apparently, i am supposed to press shift to get into grub menu.... nothing is happen
[22:09] <Safiyyah> nope, no other machine at home
[22:09] <popey> you have to be quick pressing shift
[22:10] <Safiyyah> trust me i was
[22:10] <ali1234> hold shift while turning on power, until you see grub menu
[22:10] <Safiyyah> i did
[22:10] <Safiyyah> but no grub menu
[22:10] <ali1234> are you sure you are installing ubuntu?
[22:10] <Safiyyah> i got the word GRUB
[22:10] <Safiyyah> and then it went straight in maverick
[22:10] <popey> the word grub? what version of ubuntu is this?
[22:11] <ali1234> did you hold left shift? right shift doesn't work
[22:11] <ali1234> popey: sounds like GRUB> prompt
[22:12] <Safiyyah> am on meerkat
[22:12] <Safiyyah> i need to say that i had done this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[22:12] <Safiyyah> that might be the kulprit
[22:13] <Safiyyah> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/0d104aff-ec8c-44c8-b811-92b993823444 /dev/sda
[22:13] <popey> did you install windows?
[22:13] <Safiyyah> i set it onto my root partition because previously i was getting initramfs black screen
[22:13] <Safiyyah> nope only have ubuntu meerkat
[22:13] <Safiyyah> nothing else
[22:14] <Safiyyah> so it straight boots from root now
[22:14] <Safiyyah> so it stubbornly goes there, which is fine, but now i have x server issues
[22:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Seems LG won: http://www.primaryignition.com/2011/02/28/sony-loses-to-lg-in-europe-consoles-to-be-confiscated-possibly-destroyed/
[22:16] <Safiyyah> ali i tried both right and left
[22:16] <Safiyyah> ali1234:
[22:16] <Safiyyah> is there a way to reconfigure x from the live disk? i assume that is the problem i have
[22:17] <popey> yes, there is
[22:18] <Safiyyah> well popey you are the master!
[22:19] <popey> ok
[22:19] <popey> one mo
[22:19] <Safiyyah> k
[22:19] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/FixingBorkedXFromLiveCD
[22:20] <ali1234> lol
[22:20] <ali1234> "4. Fix it"
[22:21] <popey> :)
[22:24] <Azelphur> popey: btw you may be interested in dynmap for your minecraft server, it's like overviewer but live, http://game.azelphur.com/minecraft-map
[22:25] <popey> i see a black box
[22:25] <popey> is it night? :D
[22:25] <Azelphur> haha, do you have frames disabled?
[22:25] <popey> refresh fixed
[22:25] <Azelphur> :D
[22:27] <popey> not sure about that map, neat that its live
[22:27] <HazRPG> is having more than 3 partitions really that bad?
[22:28] <HazRPG> I always thought having swap, root and home on separate partitions was the best way to go
[22:28] <ali1234> yes
[22:28] <ali1234> makes no difference really
[22:28] <ali1234> just add extra hassle to the install process
[22:28] <popey> no need for separate /home really
[22:29] <ali1234> what the install gives you is fine, which is / and swap
[22:29] <Azelphur> popey: hehe, I'm still developing the server atm so I'm gonna reset the map
[22:29] <HazRPG> popey: I do it for convenience, that way if I want to upgrade at least some settings for applications stick around
[22:29] <Azelphur> but thought you might be interested in dynmap :)
[22:29] <popey> no need
[22:29] <popey> upgrade takes are of that
[22:29] <popey> as does install
[22:29] <ali1234> or just back up ~
[22:29] <popey> or that
[22:30] <ali1234> i like to delete most settings on upgrade anyway
[22:30] <popey> you do backup, don't you? :)
[22:30] <HazRPG> indeed
[22:30] <ali1234> otherwise ~ gets full of settings from applications i tried once and didn't like
[22:30] <ali1234> anyway the problem at hand
[22:30] <HazRPG> I have an external and a dropbox for that
[22:31] <HazRPG> hmm, always thought having a separate /home was the best way to go
[22:31] <Azelphur> popey: in game screenshot of the dynmap chat should you want it, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/February%202011/2011-02-28-222951_1908x1167_scrot.png
[22:32] <Azelphur> along with epic waterslide :D
[22:32] <ali1234> are you going to enable nether?
[22:32] <Azelphur> what is nether?
[22:32] <ali1234> um... never mind then :)
[22:32] <Azelphur> haha, do fill me in
[22:33] <Azelphur> remember I've only actually had the game for 2 days, so I'm on a steep learning curve
[22:33] <ali1234> nether is minecraft's politically correct version of hell
[22:33] <popey> heheh
[22:33] <ali1234> it doesn't work in SMP though
[22:33] <ali1234> not without hacks
[22:33] <Azelphur> haha
[22:33] <popey> i guess you could build a house in nether very quickly around the portal?
[22:34] <gord> the big white floaty things would destroy the house pretty quickly
[22:34] <dutchie> isn't cobblestone ghast-proof?
[22:35] <dutchie> (not tried it, just heard from others)
[22:35] <HazRPG> hmm, I would seriously love to know how you guys diagnose stuff - then maybe I could be more useful to others :)
[22:36] <gord> we went through the problems once
[22:37] <gord> all technical support is built on the foundations of blood sweat and tears ;)
[22:37] <HazRPG> trust me I know :P
[22:37] <HazRPG> I can diagnose most windows problems
[22:37] <HazRPG> just not keyed up on linux
[22:38] <gord> i used to be able to do windows problems, then they changed it all and now i am useless
[22:38] <gord> i couldn't even figure out how to uninstall applications, so i just left everything installed...
[22:38] <HazRPG> all usual windows problems, are still there - they just moved everything lol
[23:13] <HazRPG> popey, ali1234: Just my 2 cents worth, but it could just be a problem with the nvidia 260 driver?
[23:14] <HazRPG> popey, ali1234: Might be worth trying a slightly older version?
[23:14]  * popey shrugs
[23:14] <HazRPG> also, digging up info I've come across this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1592802.html
[23:15] <HazRPG> its not the _same_ problem, but seems people have issues with the 8400 series
[23:16] <mgdm> Oooooh
[23:16] <mgdm> My multiple monitor problems are fixed by not using Compiz
[23:17] <HazRPG> mgdm: what multi-screen problem were you having squire?
[23:19] <mgdm> HazRPG: attempting to use an external monitor that hadn't been plugged in on boot froze X
[23:20] <HazRPG> ah
[23:20] <HazRPG> that's a random bug
[23:21]  * HazRPG feels he has much to learn about the linux world :(
[23:22] <mgdm> I've been using it 10+ years, and I still do, so don't worry about it
[23:22] <Safiyyah> HazRPG:  i sussed windoes
[23:22] <Safiyyah> got angry about catching a virus
[23:22] <Safiyyah> moved to ubuntu and am afraid i have been lost since
[23:22] <Safiyyah> i can only do simple stuff
[23:23] <HazRPG> I'm slowly learning things in ubuntu :)
[23:23] <HazRPG> however some of the stuff popey, ali1234 and AlanBell know makes me feel small lol
[23:23] <popey> I am no expter
[23:23] <popey> *expert
[23:23] <HazRPG> popey: know more then me though :P
[23:23] <popey> I am just 38 years old, so have seen stuff before :)
[23:24] <ali1234> Safiyyah: did i log into your computer and fix this before? it seems strangely familiar to me
[23:24] <Safiyyah> no u've never logged into my system
[23:24] <mgdm> Yeah, popey filed many bugs on ENIAC
[23:25]  * mgdm runs
[23:25] <ali1234> must have been someone else then
[23:25] <HazRPG> hmm, I wouldn't have factored age into that, it really just depends on the environments you've been/worked in
[23:25] <HazRPG> experience != time
[23:25] <Safiyyah> popey i thought u were around 50
[23:25] <ali1234> hahaha
[23:26] <ali1234> 10000 hours, that's what they say right?
[23:26] <HazRPG> I thought he was in his late 20's!
[23:26] <HazRPG> how wrong am I!
[23:26] <Safiyyah> he's always so serious i thought 50
[23:26] <ali1234> i probably have about 50000 hours linux experience
[23:27] <Safiyyah> ali such a shame,.... if you were a pilot you can fly the U2 with that mileage
[23:27] <popey> HazRPG: young people always tell me that experience != time
[23:27] <popey> :)
[23:27] <HazRPG> ali1234: isn't 10000 only just over a year?
[23:27] <ali1234> if you sit infront of a computer for 24 hours a day, yeah
[23:28] <popey> sounds about right ;)
[23:28] <Safiyyah> have we given up on my problem?
[23:28] <popey> sorry, I'm not sure what to do next
[23:28] <ali1234> fixing it will involve tinkering with the modeline
[23:28] <HazRPG> ali1234: only time I leave my computer is for food/toilet/special occasions ;)
[23:29] <Safiyyah> HazRPG:  Recipe for being happily single
[23:29] <Safiyyah> ali what modeline?
[23:29] <ali1234> in the xorg.conf
[23:30] <ali1234> what you should do (what i would do):
[23:30] <ali1234> delete the xorg.conf and reboot back into nouveau
[23:30] <ali1234> press ctrl-alt-f1 to get framebuffer console
[23:30] <hamitron> HazRPG: you slept with your comp?
[23:30] <ali1234> stop xorg service
[23:30] <hamitron> :/
[23:30] <ali1234> install nvidia driver
[23:31] <HazRPG> heh, I wasn't being serious lol
[23:31] <ali1234> start X from console
[23:31] <ali1234> if it doesn't work, kill it, edit xorg.conf, try again
[23:31] <Safiyyah> ali i like this solution but i am slow
[23:31] <Safiyyah> just a minute
[23:31] <HazRPG> ali1234, popey: hmm, I suggested installing an older version of the nvidia drivers... but well, i could be wrong
[23:31] <ali1234> thing is you won't be able to get on irc easily from fbcon
[23:31] <ali1234> especially if you use wireless
[23:32] <ali1234> older version of drivers could help too
[23:32] <ali1234> another thing to try
[23:32] <HazRPG> ali1234: reason I posted that was the 8400 series is known to have issues with nvidia drivers
[23:32] <ali1234> what kind of issues?
[23:32] <HazRPG> I've seen similar hickups on some windows drivers
[23:33] <HazRPG> ali1234: blank screens
[23:33] <HazRPG> also posted an ubuntuforum link earlier
[23:33] <ali1234> ok, try different driver then
[23:33] <ali1234> i dunno how you do that, never had to do it
[23:34] <HazRPG> ali1234: you mean from a liveCD?
[23:34] <Safiyyah> is nvidia the only gaming card on the market?
[23:34] <Safiyyah> isnt there one that just plus and plays on ubuntu?
[23:34] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: There's ATI too
[23:34] <ali1234> there is no such thing as gaming on linux
[23:34] <hamitron> depends what games ;)
[23:34] <ali1234> if you want good linux support you need intel graphics
[23:34] <ali1234> but they don't make cards
[23:34] <ali1234> and you can't play games with em
[23:35] <hamitron> intel graphics are good?
[23:35] <ali1234> the drivers are good, yes
[23:35] <Safiyyah> eh? so you cant game on linux.... you have to use windows?
[23:35] <ali1234> gaming on linux is harder than getting your video card to work
[23:35] <Safiyyah> rofl
[23:36] <Safiyyah> no wonder people are not migrating so fast
[23:36] <hamitron> the problem is the variety of configurations
[23:36] <HazRPG> hmm, Wine isn't as bad as it use to be though.
[23:36]  * JamesTait goes back to World of Goo.
[23:36] <Safiyyah> so u have to game on windows?
[23:37] <hamitron> it depends what you want in terms of gaming
[23:37] <JamesTait> Safiyyah: It's a chicken-and-egg situation.
[23:37] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: I run StarCraft 2 just fine in linux, along with most steam games
[23:37] <dogmatic69> minecraft works fine on linux
[23:37] <ali1234> either that or spend 10000 hours learning how to set it up
[23:37] <dogmatic69> what more do you want?
[23:37] <mgdm> Hmm
[23:37] <ali1234> yeah a few games work really well
[23:37] <dogmatic69> there is not enough time for any other games
[23:37] <ali1234> if you like those games then great
[23:37] <mgdm> if two users are logged in at the same time, one of them gets the audio and the other can't do anything
[23:37] <hamitron> UT 2k4 \o/
[23:37] <ali1234> if you like some other game... bad luck
[23:37] <Safiyyah> lol no world of war craft?
[23:37] <ali1234> WoW works OK i think
[23:37] <Safiyyah> i thought that was the ultimate game
[23:38] <ali1234> (relatively)
[23:38] <HazRPG> hamitron: haha, that even had a little penguin in the corner of the box ;)
[23:38] <hamitron> yeh
[23:38] <hamitron> :)
[23:38] <JamesTait> Safiyyah: Many games producers don't create Linux versions of their games because they don't see a market for it. But there's only a small market, because there are only a few games.
[23:38] <HazRPG> hamitron: I own a copy and was showing my non-believer friend about it the other week :P
[23:38] <hamitron> does the linux installer still work?
[23:39] <Safiyyah> right can you talk me through purging nvidia drivers on my HDD, remember i am on live disk
[23:39] <Safiyyah> then i can boot back in
[23:39] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: I've ran World of Warcraft fine for many years in ubuntu without much configuration
[23:39] <ali1234> Safiyyah: sudo rm ~/target/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:39] <hamitron> the important thing to remember, you can't run many games natively on linux
[23:39] <ali1234> then reboot
[23:39] <hamitron> :/
[23:40] <HazRPG> hamitron: I recall the website having an updated version of it?
[23:40] <Safiyyah> oky i will return for the other gibberish u said about running it from a terminal
[23:40] <Safiyyah> i didnt get it
[23:40]  * hamitron shrugs (I just have a seperate comp for games ;)
[23:41] <Safiyyah> lol
[23:41] <Safiyyah> i dont think i will be buying anything except the wii fit
[23:41] <hamitron> I have a seperate comp for almost every task
[23:41] <Safiyyah> kids get addicted
[23:41] <hamitron> ;D
[23:41] <hamitron> wii :(
[23:41] <Safiyyah> yep
[23:41] <Safiyyah> the wii
[23:41] <HazRPG> hamitron: heh, I tend to do that
[23:42] <hamitron> I'd rather use linux dedicated for gaming personally
[23:42]  * HazRPG listens to the whirling noise of 3 machines
[23:42] <Safiyyah> lol
[23:42] <hamitron> only 3? pussy ;)
[23:42] <Safiyyah> men and their 'junk'
[23:42] <HazRPG> 3 that are turned on ;)
[23:42] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: :o
[23:42] <hamitron> hey
[23:43] <Safiyyah> brb ali1234  if i take long it means i still got no signal and need live disk again
[23:43] <hamitron> I am green and recycle "junk" ;/
[23:43] <Safiyyah> more than 2 comps is hoarding in my eye
[23:43] <Safiyyah> lol
[23:43]  * hamitron has 23
[23:43] <Safiyyah> never getting rid of the old machinese etc
[23:43] <Safiyyah> 23.... u need a house just for them
[23:43] <Safiyyah> brb
[23:43] <hamitron> all 586 and above \o/
[23:43] <HazRPG> Safiyyah: Personally I don't get rid, I accept all the things people are planning on throwing away
[23:44] <Safiyyah> lol
[23:44] <Safiyyah> great am friends with a bunch of hoarders
[23:44] <Safiyyah> brb
[23:44] <hamitron> I threw a Duron out last week
[23:44] <HazRPG> :o
[23:44] <hamitron> so don't hoard everything at least
[23:45] <HazRPG> see I always fix other peoples machines, with parts I've collected over time
[23:45] <hamitron> sorry HazRPG, did you want it?
[23:45] <hamitron> ;)
[23:45] <HazRPG> whether the parts were my own or given
[23:45] <hamitron> I am actually getting sick of this many machines tbh
[23:45] <HazRPG> hamitron: really?
[23:45] <hamitron> yes
[23:46] <hamitron> I have 8 turned on atm
[23:46] <HazRPG> :o!
[23:46] <popey> zoiks
[23:46] <hamitron> only 5 in this room though
[23:46] <popey> I only have 3 on atm, which I think is good :)
[23:46] <HazRPG> and people say they'd hate to see my electric bill!
[23:46] <hamitron> ah well
[23:46] <popey> no, 4
[23:46] <HazRPG> popey: heh same
[23:46] <safiyyah> no i would simply hate to see your house
[23:46] <safiyyah> must be cluttered
[23:46] <popey> nope :)
[23:46] <safiyyah> okay ali am back in
[23:47] <safiyyah> lets go through the terminal gibberish about running x
[23:47] <HazRPG> safiyyah: :( can't judge people when ya haven't met/know them
[23:47] <popey> HazRPG: yeah, ya can :D
[23:47] <popey> its more fun that way
[23:47] <ali1234> safiyyah: well
[23:47] <HazRPG> popey: heh
[23:48] <ali1234> first of all, you press ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to this screen
[23:48] <ali1234> remember that
[23:48] <ali1234> most important
[23:48] <HazRPG> ali1234: my fav keyboard shortcut :)
[23:48] <safiyyah> okay written it down
[23:49] <ali1234> second, you press ctrl-alt-f1 to get to console
[23:49] <ali1234> when xorg fails, do that
[23:49] <hamitron> I like REISUO
[23:49] <hamitron> and REISUB
[23:49] <HazRPG> hamitron: ?
[23:50] <hamitron> but guess that just shows how broken my stuff is
[23:50] <hamitron> :/
[23:50] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[23:51] <ali1234> safiyyah: so what you need to do is log out of desktop, press ctrl-alt-f1, log in, become root
[23:51] <HazRPG> hamitron: I always wondered why it was called SysRq
[23:51] <ali1234> then copy in popey's xorg.conf and run "X"
[23:52] <ali1234> if you get a black screen press ctrl-alt-f1 the ctrl-c
[23:52] <ali1234> edit the xorg.conf with different modeline
[23:52] <ali1234> repeat until it work
[23:52] <ali1234> alternatively, try the older nvidia driver
[23:53] <ali1234> i think you do that through additional drivers
[23:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: additional drivers only shows current (260.xx), 173 and 96.
[23:54] <hamitron> 260?
[23:55] <HazRPG> hamitron: nvidia drivers
[23:55] <hamitron> oh, 10.10?
[23:55] <HazRPG> yeah
[23:55] <HazRPG> ali1234: however other versions do exist in the repo
[23:55] <hamitron> I like 96 series
[23:56] <hamitron> before everything got more messed than it was before
[23:56] <hamitron> :/
[23:57] <safiyyah> okay so i have no idea how to change the modeline
[23:57] <safiyyah> i dont even understand it
[23:57] <safiyyah> so perhaps the best method is getting the 96 series?
[23:57] <ali1234> try it first, it would rule out the possibility at least
[23:58] <ali1234> either that or it works
[23:58] <safiyyah> i will try but i cant change the modeline
[23:58] <HazRPG> I think 173 should work fine
[23:58] <safiyyah> dont know how to
[23:58] <safiyyah> is that the one that isn't recommended?
[23:58] <safiyyah> okay let me do what ali said first
[23:59] <HazRPG> well yeah of course
[23:59] <safiyyah> btw ali when you say become root
[23:59] <HazRPG> carry on :)
[23:59] <safiyyah> u mean type sudo su?
[23:59] <safiyyah> or su root?
[23:59] <ali1234> try the old driver first
[23:59] <safiyyah> oh okay