[02:35] <dragun0v> general question: IS the ssh -f switch (where ssh goes into background before cmd exe)... is that similar in concept to running processes in background using ctrl+z and bg or using screen?
[03:14] <LeinardoSmith> anyone still on here?
[03:14] <LeinardoSmith> I need help with cupsaddsmb
[03:21] <LeinardoSmith> anyone?
[06:59] <eagles0513875_> good morning everyone where does ubuntu install squirrelmail by default on one's
[06:59] <eagles0513875_> system
[06:59] <eagles0513875_> reason im asking is im wanting to install a plugin but cant seem to find where its installed on my system
[09:28] <Antar> Hi
[09:28] <Antar> guys anyway to display php errors on Lamp server
[09:29] <Antar> please ......
[09:31] <bekks> Enable php error logging.
[09:36] <Antar> bekks
[09:36] <Antar> where and how
[09:36] <bekks> Which ubuntu do you use?
[09:36] <Antar> 12.04.04
[09:37] <Antar> sorry 12.04.03
[09:38] <bekks> Look at the php.ini used by your apache webserver, look for display_errors and error_log.
[09:38] <Antar> the php ini fie have been changed
[09:38] <ice9> Is it safe to use the auto generated SSL certifications during the installation of packages like Dovecot or Postfix?
[09:39] <andol> ice9: Save, from what?
[09:39] <andol> s/save/safe/
[09:39] <bekks> Antar: Then look at the changes.
[09:40] <ice9> andol, I mean are those certs get generated during the installation or they are already created and put inside the installer and then they are copied and used?
[09:42] <Antar> bekks what should i change ?
[09:42] <Antar> which param ?
[09:42] <bekks> Antar: I just told you.
[09:43] <Antar> display_errors to ..
[09:43] <bekks> Antar: Please read the documentation of that paramater :)
[09:43] <Antar> ; display_errors ;   Default Value: On ;   Development Value: On ;   Production Value: Off
[09:44] <andol> ice9: A quick look suggests that the dovecot ones are generated during install, while the postfix (snakeoil) ones are copied
[09:44] <bekks> Antar: So you know the possible values now.
[09:44] <ice9> andol, where did you find this please?
[09:44] <Antar> Exactly
[09:45] <Antar> what should i do
[09:46] <bekks> Antar: You have to tell us the current value...
[09:46] <andol> ice9: The keyword being a quick look, still not entirely sure on the postfix ones. Checked it by downloading the source packages and looking inside (apt-get source dovecot, apt-get source postfix)
[09:46] <Antar> current value is off
[09:47] <bekks> Antar: Then read the meaning of the possible values again.
[09:49] <Antar> bekks cant understand
[09:50] <bekks> Antar: http://php.net/manual/en/errorfunc.configuration.php
[09:51] <Antar> so instead of on ... 1
[09:51] <Antar> ??
[09:51] <bekks> Antar: No,
[09:51] <Antar> ??
[09:52] <Antar> can you give me a preconfigured php.ini file =
[09:52] <Antar> '
[09:52] <bekks> Antar: Boolean values are On/Off, true/false, 0/1 -- if the current value is Off and you want to _display_ the values... how about chaning it to "on"?
[09:53] <bekks> *changing
[09:53] <Antar> bekks Yeah exactly what i did
[09:53] <bekks> Antar: Then check the location of the error log now and configure it to your needs.
[09:53] <eagles0513875_> Antar: you probably want to restart the web server for your changes to take effect
[09:54] <eagles0513875_> bekks: Antar probably isnt restarting their webserver
[09:54] <bekks> eagles0513875_: I know - he isnt yet done with the config.
[09:54] <eagles0513875_> oh ok
[09:54] <eagles0513875_> my bad :(
[09:54] <bekks> But he knows everything he needs now :)
[09:54] <Antar> eagles0512875 doyou mean service apache2 restart ?
[09:55] <eagles0513875_> i do have an interesting question if one has web sites or web apps what is the advantage of using /usr/share instead of /var/www
[09:55] <bekks> Antar: First, check the location of the error log.
[09:55] <eagles0513875_> Antar: yes sudo service apache2 restart unless you are ina  root prompt
[09:55] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: there is no advantage - it's a file system, nothing more
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ok as i find it a bit strange that ubuntu when installing from the package it puts squirrelmail in /usr/share instead of /var/www
[09:56] <Antar> Yeah
[09:56] <Antar> it is steal off
[09:56] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: why is that strange ?
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> seeing as squirrelmail is web based you would think it woudl be put by default in /var/www
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> Antar: did you save any changes you made
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> and what editor are you using
[09:57] <Antar> Yeah of cours
[09:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: bravo on once again reading nothing on the package before installing and asking question
[09:57] <Antar> nano
[09:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: let bekks finish helping
[09:57] <Antar> or gedit
[09:57] <bekks> Antar: So which php.ini file did you edit?
[09:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: there reason it puts things in /usr/share is so that other sites (as ubuntu uses virtual namebased hosts by default) can use it
[09:57] <Antar> or gedit
[09:58] <Antar> it is /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[09:58] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: ok are you referring to vhost's like apache uses?
[09:58] <eagles0513875_> or am i misunderstanding the concept here
[09:58] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: if you look at the package it actually creates a redirect to use /usr/share/squirrelmail to reference those files
[09:58] <eagles0513875_> ahh ok :) got it now
[09:58] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: like apache uses ??? it IS apache.....do you not know what webserver you are using ?
[09:58] <bekks> Antar: And thats the php.ini file your apache is using?
[09:58] <eagles0513875_> i do you meantioned virtual name based hosts i wasnt sure if that was something internal to ubuntu or to the web server
[09:59] <Antar> i dont know but a lot said that
[09:59] <Antar> is there another
[09:59]  * eagles0513875_ goes into silent mode
[09:59] <ikonia> virtual name based hosts, is an apache parameter
[09:59] <bekks> Antar: Of course. Thats why I said: look at the php.ini file your apache webserver is using.
[09:59] <Antar> ok
[09:59] <eagles0513875_> ok thanks for clearing that up for me ikonia  ill be honest i havent gone into great detail in terms of the inner workings of apache hence why i wasnt sure what you meant
[10:00] <bekks> Antar: Create an php file with phpinfo() in it to see where the configuration used by apache is located.
[10:01] <eagles0513875_> bekks: seems like he quit or closed out of the web chat
[10:59] <baswazz_> hdparm (spindown) does not work anymore. I installed ubuntu 12.04.3 lts edited the /etc/hdparm/conf removed the # from the line that say spindown_time = 120 (10 min) reboot and it did work fine. After installing some packages (tvheadend, oscam-svn, zfsonlinux, sabnzbdplus) i rebooted again. Only the drives do NOT spindown anymore. If i do 'sudo hdparm -y /dev/sdb for example the drive spins down.
[12:21] <baswazz_> anyone who could help me out with hdparm
[13:07] <ice9> How to determine the number of threads of a running process?
[13:12] <patdk-lap> I normally just guess
[13:14] <patdk-lap> you want to try 'man ps'
[13:14] <patdk-lap> likely the T and m options
[20:07] <Kaelten> Anyone know if Apache 2.4 got removed from the 12.04 repo?  IT looks like it has
[20:08] <RoyK> didn't know it was there in the first place
[20:08] <Kaelten> it was, had to adapt a bunch of scripts to it as a result
[20:08] <Kaelten> and now it's not there which means it's poof
[20:09] <RoyK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=apache2
[20:21] <qman___> it most definitely was not, it is in the upcoming 13.10 though
[20:21] <qman___> if you had it you got it from a third party source
[20:33] <g0tcha> hey guys, im having some issues with a new install of an ubuntu server, i can ping an ipv4 internet address without any issues but i cannot resolve hostnames
[20:33] <g0tcha> i have static ip setup and i tried with both my isp and google's dns servers and its still the same.. anyone can help me out with this maybe?
[20:33] <g0tcha> server 12.04
[20:36] <RoyK> g0tcha: possibly wrong dns resolver config?
[20:36] <g0tcha> if i try 'dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com'  it resolves fine
[20:36] <RoyK> pastebin /etc/resolv.conf
[20:36] <RoyK> and /etc/network/interfaces
[20:37] <g0tcha> i thought in ubuntu server 12.04, i dont need to edit /etc/resolv.conf anymore?
[20:37] <RoyK> g0tcha: no, it's generated by dhcpcd or /etc/network/interfaces contents
[20:37] <g0tcha> this is my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/6052744/
[20:38] <RoyK> you probably won't reach that ipv6 dns server without an ipv6 address ;)
[20:38] <Kaelten> qman__: hrm, it's possible we're using several, none tarted at apache2 but you know how that goes
[20:39] <g0tcha> RoyK, i have ipv6 from my isp thats active, so i added google's ipv4 and ipv6 nameservers, is that wrong?
[20:39] <RoyK> try to remove the ipv6 dns server and try with ipv4 only
[20:40] <RoyK> then - if that works - you know where the error is
[20:40] <g0tcha> RoyK, just tried, still does not resolve
[20:40] <RoyK> what's in resolv.conf?
[20:40] <qman__> cat /etc/resolv.conf, does it contain what you expect?
[20:41] <g0tcha> no, its empty
[20:41] <g0tcha> it says there in caps not to edit that file manualy
[20:41] <RoyK> then your system can't resolve anything
[20:41] <qman__> sounds like resolvconf hasn't updated it
[20:41] <qman__> not sure how to kick it manually, but a service networking restart will probably do it
[20:42] <g0tcha> qman__, i restart the service each time i do a change to the network interface with no change
[20:43] <g0tcha> i added it manually and it works fine now
[20:44] <g0tcha> im gonna try to reboot and see if the changes stick
[20:45] <g0tcha> nope.. cant resolve a hostname after a reboot :/
[20:47] <qman__> oh, I just caught it
[20:47] <qman__> you typoed nameservers in your interfaces
[20:47] <qman__> missing the e
[20:49] <qman__> g0tcha, dns-namservers -> dns-nameservers
[20:49] <g0tcha> damn.. good eye dude
[20:49] <g0tcha> that did it
[22:49] <mojtaba> Hi, Is there anyway to encrypt all the emails in the inbox? I know how can I send encrypted emails using public key with enigmail and Thunderbird. I am using IMAP and I would like to have all of my emails encrypted on the server.
[22:50] <Patrickdk_> is there a point? the email just passed through the open internet, without encryption, everyone on the earth could have read it
[22:53] <mojtaba> Patrickdk_: I did not use encryption before and now I just want to encrypt all of my emails in the server. (I think there could be a way to encrypt them locally and then synchronize it on the server.)


[03:15] <granttrec> does the dolphin file manager use the magic number to determine the file?
[12:07] <jubo2> 'sudo do-dist-upgrade' says that it cannot upgrade from 17.04 to 18.04.1. What to do?
[12:07] <jubo2> I have the option to install clean as there is minimal software in the current system
[12:08] <diogenes_> 17.04 > 17.10 > 18.04
[12:09] <jubo2> hmmm
[12:20] <jubo2> sounds like too much of a hassle.. I'ma go with install clean 18.04.1
[12:21] <diogenes_> you found the right decision
[12:25] <jubo2> hmm.. cannot seem to make that machine boot from an USB stick
[12:25] <jubo2> I wonder what is wrong.. BIOS boot order is USB first and HDD second
[12:27] <diogenes_> try different usb or on a different machine
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:30] <jubo2> Hiya BluesKaj
[12:37] <BluesKaj> hey jubo2\
[12:42] <BluesKaj> er jubo2 :-)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Anarcho Taoist please don
[13:11] <BluesKaj> 't post long lines of errors here , just state your issue as a clear question
[15:27] <granttrec> do I need anything like touchegg for touchpad gestures in kubuntu or is it already there?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> !touchegg | granttrec
[15:35] <BluesKaj> !info touchegg | granttrec
[15:43] <granttrec> BluesKaj: what does that mean...
[15:44] <BluesKaj> granttrec, means it's available if you want or need it
[15:44] <granttrec> BluesKaj: yeah I was just wondereing if there is built in support
[15:45] <granttrec> my bad poorly phrased question
[15:45] <BluesKaj> not installed by default,  sudo apt install touchegg, in a terminal
[15:45] <BluesKaj> you're not "bad", just mistaken
[21:58] <denza242> my touchpad scrolling stops working randomly
[21:58] <denza242> i mean, if I do a kwin_x11 --replace it'll work again for a little bit
[21:58] <denza242> but it keeps stopping
[21:59] <denza242> and now it's working again
[21:59] <denza242> weird
[21:59] <denza242> i wonder if something keeps like
[22:00] <denza242> huh
[22:01] <denza242> i think it's kwin related


[00:47] <nhaines> ryanjyoder[m]: I'll be there, too, running the Ubuntu booth!  :)
[02:49] <lynorian> finally I make a metting and remember for first time in forever
[02:50] <nhaines> Yay!
[02:50] <nhaines> Which is in 10 minutes.
[03:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:00] <nhaines> Hello everyone, and welcome to the first Ubuntu California meeting of 2020, the last year of the decade and certainly not the first!
[03:01] <nhaines> Tonight's agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/20January19
[03:01] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[03:01] <nhaines> The 18th Southern California Linux Expo, SCALE 18x, is coming up March 5-8th at the Pasadena Convention Center.
[03:02] <nhaines> Ubuntu will have a booth there, and so I'll be putting out a cal for volunteers very shortly.  Unfortunately, I don't quite have the wiki page up yet, but it will be the same scenario as before.
[03:03] <nhaines> There will be no UbuCon at SCALE this year, but we are looking forward to resuming it at SCALE 19x in 2021.
[03:03] <lynorian> aww dang
[03:03] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[03:03] <nhaines> Are there any announcement for this month?
[03:05]  * lynorian does not have anything?
[03:05] <nhaines> Okay, moving on....
[03:05] <nhaines> #topic Agenda
[03:06] <nhaines> There is no agenda for tonight's meeting.
[03:06] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[03:06] <nhaines> First off, it is with regret that I announce that George Mulak's wife, Vicki, passed away due to cancer last week.
[03:06] <lynorian> my condolences
[03:07] <nhaines> She passed away at home, surrounded by family and friends.  So keep George in your thoughts.
[03:07] <nhaines> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is due in mid-April, and should be a fantastic release.
[03:09] <nhaines> Canonical now offers individuals up to three computers with Ubuntu Advantage features such as extended support maintanence for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and kernal live patch support, with up to fifty systems for Ubuntu members.  So it's never been a better time to run an Ubuntu server.
[03:10] <nhaines> We're looking for SCALE volunteers.  As always, if you have the ability to help out at the booth for a couple of hours, it's a great way to help out Ubuntu and the LoCo, as well as gain experience representing Ubuntu in a very friendly, welcoming environment.  SCALE is a great way to meet a lot of other Free Software and Open Source software community members.
[03:11] <nhaines> I'll follow up with more information on the mailing list soon.
[03:11] <nhaines> Is there any other business to discuss for this meeting?
[03:11]  * lynorian does not have anything
[03:15] <nhaines> Okay, so our next meeting will be on Februrary 16th, 2020.  I hope to see more people there.  Happy new year, and have a great rest of your January!
[03:15] <nhaines> #endmeeting


[06:32] <crazyrohila> hi all
[06:37] <crazyrohila> I am a drupal front-end deveolper. I want to contribute to ubuntu website
[07:24] <head_victim> crazyrohila: I'm not actively involved myself but if no one else appears to have suggestions have a read over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDrupal and see if you want to chime in anywhere. If anyone else has ideas I'm sure they'll give you some suggestions as well.
[07:25] <crazyrohila> head_victim, thanks :)
[07:26] <head_victim> crazyrohila: always happy to try to help others get involved where they can :)
[07:27] <crazyrohila> sure man
[11:11] <cjohnston> crazyrohila: did you send an email about being a student and wanting to work on Drupal?
[11:14] <crazyrohila>  cjohnston yeah
[11:15] <cjohnston> crazyrohila: I don't do anything with Drupal.. if your looking specifically for drupal, check out #ubuntu-drupal and see if anyone is still in there
[11:15] <crazyrohila> cjohnston, actually i am not looking for only drupal
[11:16] <crazyrohila> cjohnston, i want to join contribution and i can contribute in website because thats my area
[11:16] <cjohnston> If your interested in django we could help you out and are always looking for devs
[11:17] <crazyrohila> cjohnston, i didn't use django before
[11:18] <crazyrohila> but i am intersted in it i decided to do it before but couldn't , my bad
[11:18] <cjohnston> That is what is used for alot of the community sites
[11:18] <cjohnston> so if your interested in contributing there, we will be happy to help you learn
[11:18] <crazyrohila> cjohnston,  is it require fully python ?
[11:19] <cjohnston> Otherwise there is the drupal channel that I think they work on drupal themes and plugins, and we have a theme for a wordpress site
[11:19] <cjohnston> crazyrohila: you would need to learn some python as well, yes
[11:20] <crazyrohila> cjohnston, okay
[11:20] <crazyrohila> cjohnston,  thanks i will try it :)
[11:20] <cjohnston> sounds good
[11:21] <crazyrohila> i am downloading django and checking how it works
[11:21] <crazyrohila> cjohnston,  can you give me some useful links and tips to use django with web ?
[11:21] <cjohnston> Sounds good.. I'm leaving for work, but if you have questions feel free to ask them in here and someone will try to help as they have time
[11:27] <crazyrohila> okay thanks
[20:58] <daker_> mhall119: ready ?
[21:02] <mhall119> daker_: always :)
[21:02] <daker_> let's go :)
[21:02] <mhall119> daker_: do you still have the link to the instructions?
[21:03] <daker_> yes
[21:05] <mhall119> daker_: take it away then, I'll be here if you have any questions
[21:05] <daker_> ok
[21:40] <daker_> mhall119: where can i see if the pot were imported ?
[21:42] <mhall119> daker_: https://translations.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=all should update when  it's been imported
[21:43] <mhall119> cjohnston: do you remember who helped you rename loco-directory to loco-team-portal?
[21:44] <daker_> so mhall119 it's says : Imported
[21:44] <mhall119> daker_: so it does, it didn't when I first loaded it :)
[21:44] <daker_> yes yes
[21:46] <daker_> i know i asked this before but what format i should download PO or MO ? i guess it's PO if i am not wrong mhall119
[21:46] <mhall119> 2PO
[21:46] <mhall119> blah, just PO
[21:46] <mhall119> ignore that 2
[21:47] <mhall119> daker_: feel free to edit that wiki page to specify
[21:47] <daker_> ok
[22:05] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-django-foundations/bzr-apps/+merge/68184
[22:05] <cjohnston> right channel now
[22:05] <cjohnston> heh
[22:11] <mhall119> cjohnston: do you have rights to merge it?
[22:13] <daker_> mhall119: in the production branch i'll do a bzr merge loco-team-portal, right ?
[22:13] <mhall119> lp:loco-team-portal, yes
[22:17] <cjohnston> mhall119: i think so
[22:19] <daker_> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/production
[22:23] <daker_> mhall119: writing the email
[22:31] <daker_> mhall119: SOS
[22:31] <daker_> · · · — — — · · ·
[22:32] <mhall119> daker_: ?
[22:33] <daker_> no changes on the email &<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>/CC, right ?
[22:34] <cjohnston> prolly wouldnt be a bad idea to start cc'ing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and the same on summit) so everyone knows
[22:34] <mhall119> daker_: leave out the 'pullapps' line, since that wasn't working for them anyway
[22:34] <mhall119> and we don't need the apt-get line we needed last time
[22:34] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/linaro-theme-improvements/+merge/94063   this makes the css work without apache hacks
[22:34] <mhall119> otherwise it should be the same
[22:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: is is less than 3k lines?
[22:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: yes
[22:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: so now comes the fun part
[22:35] <cjohnston> customizing the links
[22:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: 166 lines
[22:36] <mhall119> muy bueno
[22:36] <cjohnston> so.. now.. since the links are in base.html which is in the common app... how do you propose changing them?
[22:37] <cjohnston> without an {% if linaro %} would be cool
[22:37] <cjohnston> otherwise the code is already live
[22:38] <daker_> mhall119: done, check your mails
[22:39] <cjohnston> nigelb: does tarmac work on the foundations project?
[22:44] <mhall119> cjohnston: I don't think it does
[22:44] <cjohnston> damn
[22:44] <cjohnston> nigelb: can you make tarmac work on foundations please


[09:32] <Saviq> Yesterday:
[09:32] <Saviq> - Debugging confined-shell on Core (realized portals are a thing)
[09:32] <Saviq> - Fixed bad requirements on checkbox-mir.graphics
[09:32] <Saviq> - Reviewed the [`graphics` extension](https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4288)
[10:41] <karmavil[m]> About the build fail: I cannot explain why it is running a test that doesn't exist. But that extra "FFFF" argument??(whatever) is even more strange
[12:11] <karmavil[m]> Saviq, my apologizes for interfere in that pr. I though it was you and that comment would not means much. I hope that doesn't extend the pr flow (or times) because I cannot stay awake, I need a nap. Sorry, have a good day
[16:54] <Saviq> alan_g any idea why miriway-shell would be spawning another miriway-shell process?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dfe5088e22c4db6d7079e878a5267452b26b924d>)
[16:55] <Saviq> ~$ ps aux | grep miriway
[16:55] <Saviq> mir        22316  0.8  6.3 1285520 126944 tty2   Sl+  18:50   0:02 /snap/confined-shell/x1/usr/local/bin/miriway-shell
[16:55] <Saviq> mir        22526  0.0  2.7<PHONE_NUMBER>2 tty2     S+   18:50   0:00 /snap/confined-shell/x1/usr/local/bin/miriway-shell
[16:55] <Saviq>  * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a01cf0ca9a5c1f3af5fae6007e393be944cd4354>)
[16:59] <Saviq> Interestingly, the same snap doesn't do that on my classic system, but does, on Core 🤷
 "alan_g any idea why miriway-..." <- > <@saviq:matrix.org> alan_g any idea why miriway-shell would be spawning another miriway-shell process?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/1d5026b6b6d2f46a8fd52d4637a0032ea6a5d53d>)
[17:24] <alan_g[m]> Today: testing PRs
[17:26] <Saviq> alan_g[m]: I think I just worked it out… apparmor blocked dbus-update… because it's not in the snap
[17:28] <Saviq> Probably need to handle failing shell-components= in Miriway better
[17:40] <Saviq> Must be AppArmor denying [`execvp()`](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/blob/330961f02abd080596ec2af6936604dd09e408e5/src/miral/launch_app.cpp#L120) is special
[18:07] <Saviq> Today:
[18:07] <Saviq> - Debugged the last issue I found with confined-shell ([#26](https://github.com/MirServer/confined-shell-wip/pull/26))
[22:36] <mattkae[m]> Today:
[22:36] <mattkae[m]> - Some more fixes for the Alt + Tab PR (I still need to solve a bug that was encountered there though)
[22:36] <mattkae[m]> - I have what I believe to be the correct skeleton for the Input Method V1 work, but I will need some input for tomorrow before I continue
[22:36] <mattkae[m]> - Also encountered some strange freeze in Miriway, but I am unsure how to repro. I will try again tomorrow


[09:17] <moyogo> hi
[09:19] <kamstrup> cheers
[09:20] <moyogo> is it possible to contribute to the ubuntu-title font?
[01:21] <klepas> brb
[03:21] <klepas> crap... oops.
[04:37] <klepas> night all :)
[04:42] <fimbultyr> hi
[05:34] <derek[] > Hi
[05:37] <derek[] > hi
[06:06] <moyogo> hi


[12:35] <nictuku> spike, hi. Meyer told me you were interested in nwu
[12:36] <spike> nictuku: hi there
[12:37] <nictuku> spike,  can I help you?
[12:37] <spike> nictuku: I'd say best thing is if I paste you the convo we had in here a few hours ago
[12:37] <spike> can I do that in query or prefer pastebin?
[12:37] <nictuku> your call
[12:37] <nictuku> query, btw
[12:40] <spike> nictuku: done
 hmm
 you have a point there (btw, my english is bad, so forgive me)
 I confess I didn't know puppet. It seems a great idea, but neuralis mentioned something important for ubuntu, which would be the ruby dependency
 better take this discussion to the channel
[12:53] <spike> nictuku: I completely agree with that
[12:54] <spike> cfengine wouldnt pose the ruby prob, tho
[12:54] <spike> we can run it already
[12:54] <nictuku> By the way, nwu really needs something like adminotaur
[12:55] <nictuku> nwu is really a prototype by the way, there are no strings attached to where its future development should go. I just tried to stick the the spec
[12:56] <nictuku> nwu is immensely simpler than cfengine
[12:56] <nictuku> virtually no config is required
[12:56] <nictuku> it's not an "autonomic system" either.
[12:58] <neuralis> i think having nwu as a proof of concept system is very important. maybe we can have nictuku out at the next developer conference to sit down with the server team, and spec out where we really want to take it.
[12:59] <spike> well, as I said, whatever comes up I'd like to be involved in this
[01:01] <nictuku> neuralis, is there any date set? like just after dapper release?
[01:01] <neuralis> yes, it's usually very shortly after the release.
[01:04] <spike> what's in your opinion the quicket way to build an initrd image with ssh (dropbear maybe to reduce the size)?
[01:15] <nictuku> I haven't tried dropbear, but well, it claims to be smaller. I'm not sure how much speed you'd get in the end
[01:19] <spike> nictuku: more then speed I was worrying about memory consumption
[01:19] <nictuku> spike, do you use puppet and cfengine for sw management daily?
[01:19] <spike> but atm priority is figuring out how to do the whole thing
[01:21] <spike> nictuku: nope, I did some cfengine for the last place I worked for, and followed the development of puppet. hopefully I'll start over @ new place once I've took care of some priorities
[01:22] <spike> nictuku: I'm a newbie, just done my homework :)
[01:22] <nictuku> yeah me too.
[01:24] <nictuku> spike, I wonder how friendly puppet is for the administration if all he want is sw management/updates.
[01:25] <nictuku> with nwu is all about "aptitude install nwu-agent"
[01:25] <nictuku> then manage the nodes with a cli or pygtk tool
[01:26] <spike> nictuku: definitely it'd be trickier ,and I wouldnt ever swap nwu with puppet if all I wanted was sw management/updates
[01:27] <spike> nictuku: but nwu is just a part of what you want to admin a server farm, a config management must be there, and then you'd need puppet, which incidentally could deal with sw management as well, making nwu redundant
[01:28] <nictuku> asking if sysadmins would be interested in only sw updates is a valid question, actually.
[01:28] <nictuku> s/actually/indeed/
[01:28] <spike> nictuku: but really, guess it's worth keeping this on hold until you talk with the guys and got some specs for the future down
[01:29] <spike> nwu is nice and it's good it's there, for now that's what matters
[01:30] <spike> actually, about the whole assumption we need cfengine for config management...
[01:31] <spike> some of the RH guys developing their nwu solved the prob simply saying that config management is just a self-rolled pkg
[01:31] <spike> which is indeed true
[01:32] <spike> you could handle whole system config by simply rolling and distributing config packages, and besides true is also appealing imho
[01:33] <spike> nictuku: yet stuff like cfengine do a lot more, but with that we'd have two of the biggest prob covered, sw and config management
[01:33] <nictuku> cfengine is not the best config management system for an ideal world of debian/ubuntu-only server base hehe. debconf + ldap is interesting, although limited
[01:34] <nictuku> spike, nwu is not about "autonomic systems" as IBM would call it.
[01:36] <nictuku> I don't imagine a thousand unattended servers administration as a use case
[01:58] <neuralis> nictuku: i have some concrete ideas about where i'd like nwu to go, and how it should integrate with the rest of the platform. that's why it'd be great to sit down with you at the dev conf and spec this out.
[01:58] <neuralis> nictuku: where do you live? do you think you'd be able to fly out to the dev conf somewhere in europe in june?
[02:02] <nictuku> that would be interesting. I live in Brazil. that would be something to think about
[02:03] <nictuku> btw, the world cup in june. i believe that makes it virtually impossible
[02:04] <spike> neuralis: oh, next dev cnf will be held in europe?
[02:04] <spike> neuralis: any chance to attend as "visitor"?
[02:04] <nictuku> neuralis, could you summarize some of these ideas?
[02:05] <Meyer> our biggest airline going to bankrupcy... all brazilians flying to europe cuz of the world cup.. it will be EXPENSIVE to fly there.. lol
[02:08] <Meyer> debconf should be easier to nictuku
[02:51] <Overand> Hey, there *is* an #ubuntu-server, neat.
[02:54] <nictuku> Overand, welcome
[02:54] <Overand> I'm going to be building a server to move to a colo soon, and I'm debating betwen various options.
[02:54] <Overand> Go with Breezy "ubuntu-server" and upgrade (remotely) when dapper final comes out
[02:55] <Overand> go with dapper flight 6
[02:55] <Overand> or go with a daily
[02:56] <nictuku> wait for dapper unless you have a reason
[02:56] <Overand> heh
[02:56] <Overand> the reason is each month I delay costs me $170 or so
[02:57] <Overand> Also, general impatience.  I have a 1U server with 2 gigs of ram and an Athlon X2 4200+ just *waiting* for an OS
[02:57] <nictuku> breezy, wait, then dapper!
[02:58] <Overand> yeah...
[02:58] <Overand> I've been getting suggestions in both directions when it comes to that.
[02:58] <Overand> THat was my original plan, go for breezy server, then upgrade to dapper
[02:58] <Overand> but upgrades never *quite* seem to be 100%
[03:30] <Meyer> i should gou for dapper
[03:30] <Meyer> its quite stable by now
[03:30] <Meyer> fair less headache than a remote dist-upgrade
[03:35] <Overand> yeah
[03:35] <Overand> I mean, the advantage is that I *can* get to the box pretty easily
[03:35] <Overand> it'd be a ~2ish hour drive
[03:36] <Overand> Meyer: would you say a flight CD or a daily?
[03:36] <Overand> I'm leaning towards a flight CD
[03:36] <Meyer> a daily would be basicaly flight + updates
[03:36] <Meyer> maybe unstable installation
[03:38] <Meyer> going down for reboot.. brb
[03:41] <Overand> yeah, an unstable installation would be kinda bleh.
[04:10] <Overand> heya Meyer
[04:10] <Overand> Hey, don't multiply, you might start making bad comedy as a group.
[08:10] <ajmitch> morning fabbione
[08:11] <fabbione> morning
[08:12] <ajmitch> how's the niagara support now? :)
[08:12] <fabbione> ajmitch: it's all in
[08:12] <ajmitch> full installer images are up?
[08:13] <fabbione> we lack the SSL accelerator, but that will probably not make it for dapper
[08:13] <fabbione> ajmitch: since the announcment
[08:13] <ajmitch> ok, I thought it was just netboot back then
[08:18] <fabbione> oh yes
[08:19] <fabbione> i forgot to announce the CD
[08:19] <fabbione> but they should be working
[08:19] <fabbione> i just got a report of something bad and i am checking
[08:28] <ajmitch> just grabbing the daily now, will report problems when I run into them tomorrow
[08:36] <fabbione> sure
[08:36] <fabbione> but my suggestion is to use netboot
[08:36] <fabbione> it's much easier
[08:36] <ajmitch> ok
[08:56] <Jeeves_> ]
[09:44] <ivoks> fabbione: ping
[09:45] <ivoks> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11 Nov 13 17:35 /etc/ldap.secret
[09:45] <ivoks> this isn't nice :(
[09:45] <fabbione> ivoks: talk with pitti.. -ENOMYPROBLEM
[09:45] <ivoks> ok
[10:50] <infinity> ivoks: What owns /etc/ldap.secret?
[10:52] <infinity> ivoks: I certainly don't have one on my system.
[10:59] <ivoks> infinity: it looks like this is leftover from by old instalation
[09:45] <Jeeves_> busy channel, this ubuntu-server
[09:45] <spike> :)
[09:46] <spike> Jeeves_: thing is we're all working very hard :P
[09:46] <Jeeves_> spike: Sure! :)
[09:46] <Jeeves_> I *am* actually working :)
[09:47] <spike> Jeeves_: sure :)
[09:47] <Jeeves_> spike: Really! I'm kicking a FreeBSD running Sunfire x4200 :)
[09:47] <Jeeves_>  9:51PM  up  5:13, 3 users, load averages: 73.52, 68.37, 48.83
[09:48] <Jeeves_> ./http_load -proxy <IP_ADDRESS> 80 -parallel 100 -fetches 115000 urllist
[10:37] <tarvid> started working with mirrormed and clearpath
[10:38] <tarvid> either would make a significant contribution to debian-med
[10:38] <tarvid> although both are GPL, there is a little of the JBOSS syndrome going on
[10:40] <tarvid> ClearHealth on their "purchase" link suggest a budget of $30,000, the maintainer of MirrorMed will suggest the same
[10:40] <tarvid> Patches are all in CVS, the download versions are periodic feature release
[10:42] <tarvid> The ClearHealth download is at SourceForge is labeled GPL but they seem very possessive of the name
[10:42] <tarvid> I can envision a forced fork just to get a name.
[10:43] <tarvid> Any experience here with OSS where the developer holds things close to their chest?
[10:44] <Jeeves_> tarvid: You're using it, Linux ?
[10:46] <infinity> tarvid: Trademark holders releasing software under free license but restricting use of their mark is pretty common (Apache Foundation, Mozilla Foundation, Linux, PHP,...)
[10:47] <tarvid> It loads on dapper apache mysql php
[10:47] <tarvid> it is PHP4 dependent
[10:49] <tarvid> the ClearHealth business strategy is to extract significant support fees
[10:50] <tarvid> Apache, PHP etc don't seem to mind people and firms saying they support those products commercially
[10:51] <tarvid> Not sure ClearHealth would be as generous
[10:52] <tarvid> MirrorMed is a "friendly" fork as the maintainer suggests.
[10:58] <infinity> tarvid: Trademark law doesn't allow them to stop you from saying you support the product.
[10:58] <infinity> tarvid: It only allows them to stop you from having a competing/similar product with the same name.
[11:00] <tarvid> I think I am just naive.
[11:01] <tarvid> I have a client that would really like to try an OSS Practice Management System
[11:01] <tarvid> These are the only two that look like they have a prayer of doing X12 (EDI) billing in the near future
[11:02] <tarvid> I guess I am nervous about having an elephant in the closet. A high maintenance client with no clear avanue of support
[11:03] <tarvid> A working demo packaged as a deb might get a lot more people going
[11:03] <tarvid> Right now the community is rather thin.
[11:04] <tarvid> For now I think I will run with the CVS and wait for the lion to roar.
[11:07] <tarvid> Thanks.
[11:16] <spike> eeer, need some help with initrd image
[11:17] <spike> I thought I was supposed to gunzip it and mount it, but it turned out to be a cpio archive
[11:17] <spike> once uncompressed with pax I was expecting a linuxrc script in root, but there's no one
[11:18] <Jeeves_> spike: Wasn't there a script in /etc ?
[11:20] <spike> Jeeves_: nope, modprobe.d and udev
[11:20] <spike> but is' indeed working, cause I'm booting my laptop with it...
[11:20] <Jeeves_> find / -name \*rc\* ?
[11:21] <spike> breezy, latest kernel stock
[11:21] <spike> Jeeves_: already done that, nothing
[11:21] <spike> did ls -R | grep rc actually
[11:22] <Jeeves_> Hmm
[11:22] <Jeeves_> Strange
[11:23] <Kolan> anyone with experience on MegaRaid controllers?
[11:24] <spike> Jeeves_: indeed, I've no idea how it can be working then...
[11:24] <infinity> spike: I assume you're looking for /init ?
[11:24] <spike> gosh...
[11:24] <spike> ehehe
[11:25] <spike> infinity: indeed, ta, I was blindly insisting to look for some rc file :)


[15:16] <jeffrash> anyone installing 11.10 today?
[15:47] <BugeyeD> jeffrash: i plan to, but we'll see how my time works out.
[15:50] <jeffrash> BugeyeD, cool.  I'm creating a LiveUSB from the ISO now
[15:51] <jeffrash> BugeyeD, going to do a clean install on my D420 laptop
[15:57]  * holstein is waiting on 12.04 :)
[16:03] <akgraner> jeffrash, I did :-) kinda liking it
[16:04] <holstein> im *so* frustrated about ubuntustudio
[16:04] <holstein> i got busy with personal things, so i was no help
[16:05] <holstein> our site has been broken for 2+years
[16:05] <holstein> the new release is just awful
[16:05] <holstein> whatever...
[16:05] <holstein> we'll get it :)
[16:10] <akgraner> it will get there :-)
[16:14] <jeffrash> I've been running 11.10 on my desktop and laptop for months now.  Started with beta 1.
[16:15] <jeffrash> I hatted Unity at first, but now that I know how to us it.  I like it


[13:33] <pcfreak30> does ubuntu server have any special means to create a customized live cd vs desktop or is it the same
[13:46] <enyc> pcfreak30: I don't *expect* so, server is to be installed =)
[13:46] <enyc> that doesn't mean there isn't some 'remastering' function
[17:49] <rbasak> pcfreak30: maybe you're looking for https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/a-tool-to-modify-live-server-isos/22195? Not "officially supported" but it may work for you.
[17:49] <pcfreak30> rbasak: thanks.