[01:04] <altf2o> when working w/ NIS + NFS + autofs , anyone ever seen it take a /local/ (to the client) user account and do weird stuff with it? My admin account was just 'user' but today when booting back up the owner was 1004 and group 1005. I could not log in nor do i have ANY account named 'user' being exported in NIS i wanted that admin account local only?
[01:06] <altf2o> i'm also getting 'permission denied' errors when trying to install software on my clients. Permissions for /home/<user> on the server are: 750 , didn't have issues yesterday either.
[01:15] <kansan> question:  how do i a command so that on every startup it gets executed?
[01:21] <maxb> kansan: Given the channel we're on, I assume you mean in the context of a server. But, do you mean a "command" that does something and then quits, or "command" as in starting a long-lived server process?
[01:22] <kansan> specifically i want to add a command to /etc/rc.local ... "wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/user-data; chef-client -J user-data;' .... how can i do that from the command line?
[01:22] <kansan> i want that to be run on every startup
[01:22] <kansan> so the latter
[01:23]  * altf2o_ things his server is going kaput?!
[01:24] <sommer> kansan: I'd place the command into a shell script in /etc/init.d/ then do sudo update-rc.d script_name default
[01:24] <sommer> kansan: least I think that should work
[01:25] <kansan> sommer, is it not enough to add it in /etc/rc.local ?
[01:25] <kansan> and if not, why not?
[01:25] <maxb> kansan: Wait... if you know you want to put it into /etc/rc.local, why are you asking what to do?
[01:25] <sommer> kansan: that should work too
[01:25] <kansan> maxb, cuz i worry that because its launching a daemon of sorts
[01:26] <kansan> that /etc/rc.local might not be the right place?
[01:26] <sommer> rc.local will only launch a deamon if the contents are deamon applications... so your wget command will run then stop, and the system will continue with the boot process
[01:27] <kansan> sommer, but if i put semilcolons in between;  it will still run chef-client -J part
[01:27] <kansan> right?
[01:28] <sommer> it should... you can also to && which will only run if the first command is successful
[01:28] <kansan> is it good/bad idea to put pre authorized public keys of machines we want to be loggin in from into a server image?
[01:29] <sommer> should be fine... I mean they're "public" keys :)
[01:29] <kansan> hah ;p
[01:30] <sommer> I actually load my ssh key into cloned vms without any issue, it's a nice convenience
[01:30] <kansan> yes
[01:30] <kansan> i'm trying to figure out how to do it from command line
[01:30] <kansan> i.e. echo 'ing and >> to authorized_keys
[01:31] <kansan> i'm not sure how that command looks like
[01:31] <sommer> you could just create a standard authorized_keys file and copy it where needed
[01:32] <kansan> yes thats much easier
[01:46] <kansan> sommer, what should permissions me
[01:46] <kansan> be
[01:46] <sommer> for /etc/rc.local?
[01:46] <kansan> no for authorized_keys
[01:47] <kansan> 600?
[01:47] <sommer> kansan: something like that, mine are 644
[02:31] <zoopster> !pastebin
[02:38] <kansan> chroot '/mnt/build/ubuntu' apt-get install -y ruby ==> chroot: cannot run command `apt-get': No such file or directory .... ideas on how to fix?
[02:44] <owh> kansan: I suspect that you might need to specify a path to apt-get.
[02:48] <altf2o_> quick question: anyone know why i'd be getting a: Error reading /home/altf2o/.nano_history: Permission denied , when simply launching: nano foo.c , ? I do launch 'nano' while 'sudo'ing for editing files, could that have messed with me?
[02:51] <erichammond> altf2o_: quick answer: yes
[02:52] <erichammond> altf2o_: See also: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1185470&postcount=4
[03:01] <JanC> altf2o_: the first time you launch nano, it should be as your own user, then you'd prevent this from happening
[03:02] <JanC> + the ubuntuforums post
[03:13] <kansan> owh, is there a place i can specify the path so it'll work with ch_root?
[03:18] <maxb> kansan: What are you trying to do with this chroot?
[03:18] <maxb> Beware that chroots, whilst not *hugely* complicated, aren't as simple as they may seem, either
[03:19] <kansan> maxb, build an ec2 image
[03:20] <kansan> in /mnt/build/ubuntu
[03:20] <kansan> i'm really getting frustrated with it :(
[03:20] <maxb> I don't know anything about ec2. Can I assume that it's roughly like building an image on a second hard drive to later boot it directly in other hardware?
[03:20] <kansan> eeys
[03:20] <kansan> yes
[03:21] <maxb> How did you create the basic stuff in the chroot?
[03:21] <maxb> debootstrap?
[03:21] <kansan> ah thats the issue
[03:21] <kansan> i'm trying to run a scirpt that was meant to be used at the end
[03:22] <kansan> once stuff in the new chroot was installed
[03:22] <kansan> and it cant find it
[03:22] <kansan> i was trying to test the script if it worked on its own
[03:22] <kansan> cuz dloading all the packages takes time
[03:41] <kansan> ok i'm using eric hammonds script:  wget http://ec2ubuntu-build-ami.notlong.com  to build an buntu server image.  how can i ensure that the resulting /etc/rc.local has:   wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/user-data; chef-client -J user-data;   inside it?
[03:41] <kansan> it uses debootstrap i believe
[03:41] <kansan> maxb, ?
[04:13] <maxb> kansan: so, it looks like you're supposed to hook into it by writing a customization script for the --script option
[04:14] <kansan> well i did
[04:14] <kansan> we'll see if it works ;p
[06:53] <jef_buntu> hi
[06:56] <jef_buntu> I have configured a server that is supposed to boot diskless clients but the client i have to boot now doesnt have a screen and its not booting with it
[07:04] <jef_buntu> I have configured a server that is supposed to boot diskless clients but the client i have to boot now doesnt have a screen and its not booting
[07:08] <jef_buntu> hi
[07:08] <jef_buntu> can someone help me?
[07:47] <kaushal> hi
[07:48] <kaushal> is there a step by step guide to install Oracle9i Release 2 Database Server on Ubuntu 8.10 server ?
[07:54] <domas> the best method is: apt-get install mysql-server
[07:54] <domas> \o/
[07:56] <hads> I think you mis-spelled postgresql
[07:56] <domas> no, no, indeed, it is mysql :)
[07:57] <hads> Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about an Oracle substitute :)
[07:57] <domas> I'm talking about next generation database! :)
[07:57] <domas> not about substitutes
[07:57] <hads> So I was right.
[07:58] <domas> in a way :)
[07:58] <frippz> kaushal: I'm guessing that you've already tried Google?
[07:58] <genii> postgres has it all over mysql
[07:58] <kaushal> frippz, yes
[08:08] <genii> kaushal: You could try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Oracle10g   The author asserts he has tested it with LTS (8.04)
[08:31] <simplexio> :) mysql vs postgresql is allways fun. but you can ( ithink) convert oracle pgsql and tables easily to postgresql compatible form
[08:32] <simplexio> not so long ago i found page where someone used same dataset in oracle and pg8.3, without any optimizations pg was 5-10x faster per query (both db didnt have load there).. too bad that i dont have that link
[08:49] <AnRkey> what is the correct way to set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1?
[08:50] <hads> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[08:50] <AnRkey> i have logged in to a client's server a couple times now to find it off and the box has not rebooted. Is there a reason why this would be?
[08:50] <_ruben> edit /etc/sysctl.conf
[08:50] <AnRkey> ta
[08:50] <hads> If you want it done on reboot, what he said.
[08:51] <_ruben> nothing will prevent it from being changed by whatever service/script/etc though
[08:51] <_ruben> there's several ways to get the same result .. investigate what changes the value remains an issue i'd say
[08:51] <AnRkey> thanks _ruben that seems to be the elegant way to do it
[08:52] <AnRkey> i had echo 1 > ... in the rc.local file
[08:52] <AnRkey> then i added my own cron
[08:52] <AnRkey> and now /etc/sysctl.conf
[08:52] <hads> Use a hammer too? :)
[08:53] <AnRkey> naa :) i think i got it now thanks
[08:53] <AnRkey> i need this client, still it would be damn funny to see his face when i cruise in there with a 4 pounder :)
[10:16] <milestone> hi all
[10:18] <milestone> i think it might be good to keep my server configurations inside a subversion repository. is there a tool which provides the management of such a task? Most importnant that hooks in with apt-get to merge configuration changes by that back into the repository? something like etckeeper
[10:18] <milestone> http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/
[10:19] <henkjan> milestone: its being worked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EtcUnderRevisionControlSpec
[10:20] <milestone> henkjan: great thanks. Although i want to use my subversion repository and etckeeper does not support svn
[10:20] <milestone> will the stuff being worked on support svn as well?
[10:22] <Deeeps> having read the page
[10:22] <Deeeps> i'd say no, given that it's build on etckeeper and using bzr
[10:22] <Deeeps> given that there's absolutely no mention of svn anywhere on the page either, i'd highly doubt it
[10:22] <milestone> Deeeps: i think its in the nature of the VCS internal structure
[10:23] <milestone> bzr and git are distributed repositories
[10:23] <milestone> subversion is a central repository
[10:24] <milestone> which has control of what is being out there, while git allows for managing the repository locally
[10:27] <milestone> anyone aware of http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00495.html
[10:27] <milestone> ?
[10:37] <domas> milestone: I use bzr :)
[10:44] <spc> hi anibody uses ESMTP ? i have problems settin it up.
[10:44] <spc> on one location work ok on other no
[10:54] <davmor2> Guys I've been using webmin to configure my ubuntu hardy server.  However being that I'm an Ubuntu tester I thought it would be more prudent to use the ebox platform instead.  To that end I have set up a test box so I can play about with ebox and get the server the way I'd like it.  In the doc for 8.04 is says if you want to install all the packages use ebox-all meta package this doesn't seem to exist or am I doing s
[10:56] <Deeeps> davmor2: try apt-get install ^ebox-.*
[10:56] <Deeeps> to install all modules
[10:57] <davmor2> Deeeps: Thanks I was going to do that after, I found a howto but wanted to check if the docs were correct or not first.
[10:59] <Deeeps> looks like the docs may be wrong if the ebox-all package doesn't exist
[10:59] <Deeeps> recommend filing a bug report!
[11:02] <davmor2> Deeeps: Thanks anyway :)
[11:41] <frippz> I'm not really sure if I understand the concept of ebox. is it possible to administer several server from one ebox installation?
[11:41] <frippz> *servers
[11:44] <_ruben> iirc you'd install ebox on each server you'd want to manage
[11:45] <frippz> hmm, ok. a little unfortunate for some servers that would otherwise be very lean (i.e. a pure DNS-server) if Apache and other stuff has to go there as well
[11:48] <_ruben> you'd use solutions like cfengine for that .. we use own script for it actually .. bash+cvs
[11:48] <_ruben> which is kinda like etckeeper i think
[13:48] <dayo__> awesome
[13:50] <dayo__> i'm trying to set up a server. i've installed openldap and, now i need to install powerdns and dhcp3-server. which of these two do i install first?
[13:51] <_ruben> no apparent order .. you could install em all at once if you want
[13:53] <dayo__> ruben: ok, thanks! i was wondering, because the instructions i'm following talked about setting dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf, which made me think maybe the order of installation mattered.
[13:53] <dayo__> that is the dhcp installation instructions
[14:08] <cjwatson> dayo__: worst case you get to restart both of the servers after you've configured everything *shrug*
[14:09]  * _ruben takes a stroll down to the serverroom .. server isnt coming after a (what appeared to be a successful) remote install .. sigh
[14:10] <_ruben> coming up that is
[14:15] <dayo__> cjwatson: well, i've installed and configured dhcp3-server. now on to install pdns-server and pdns-ldap-backend
[14:29] <dayo__> that's pdns-backend-ldap ...... maybe that's why tutorials have been hard to google. hmmm
[14:32] <AnRkey> I have a backup of /var/spool/mail and I want to know how I can get the restored files to be processed and delivered to the maildirs?
[14:36] <dayo__> AnRkey: this is what i use: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_backuppc
[14:42] <dayo__> does anyone know any good tutorials for installing powerdns with LDAP as backend?
[14:53] <cedeel> Hi. Does somebody have experience in getting MPD to work on the server edition?
[14:58] <soren> cedeel: What's the problem?
[14:59] <cedeel> seems to have resolved itself... was a permission problem with the default user not being in the audio group
[15:01] <rdw200169> dayo__, you're talking about the same thing bind does; it *can* (though few do) store records in ldap; is this what you're talking about?  like the A records, etc...?
[15:06] <rdw200169> dayo__, there's are examples in /usr/share/doc/pdns-backend-ldap
[15:06] <rdw200169> dayo__, and there's a manpage that's installed: zone2ldap
[15:07] <rdw200169> dayo__, and you have to add the schema dnsdomain2 to openldap; i can't remember how to do this, because ubuntu uses the dn=config configuration storage method
[15:08] <rdw200169> dayo__, but it did install that for you, so that step is done... in /etc/ldap/schema
[15:08] <MatBoy> are people using here seperate MySQL servers to authenticate ProFTP or is running it locally a wiser idea ?
[15:09] <rdw200169> MatBoy, security-wise you mean?
[15:11] <looseparts> Hello, I'm trying to set up samba on my Ubuntu server, so I can map a drive from my windows boxes and store files on the server. I've a problem in the smb.conf (?) where the username in the windows logon box automatically adds the windows macnine name to the login name - like this. I type <bobby> <passwd> and click OK, it immediately pops back up with <MACHINE-NAME\bobby> <blank> and of course won't let me succeed in logging in
[15:13] <rdw200169> looseparts, you don't need samba for that; you can just mount a samba share using mount; i.e. cifs
[15:13] <looseparts> from the windows side?
[15:14] <rdw200169> looseparts, ah, i got it the other way around
[15:14] <looseparts> i want to store windows files on the linux server
[15:14] <AnRkey> dayo__, that does not help much i'm afraid
[15:15] <AnRkey> i have the files restored, but the mails are not being delivered
[15:15] <rdw200169> looseparts, so you're talking about windows -> linux, right?
[15:15] <looseparts> rdw200169, yes
[15:16] <rdw200169> looseparts, yah, just mount the windows share on the linux server
[15:16] <Deeeps> i think he wants to store the files on the server
[15:16] <Deeeps> and thus, mount a share from his linux server on his windows clients
[15:17] <looseparts> uh. shouldn't i be mounting the linux share on my windows boxes?
[15:17] <Deeeps> looseparts: what version of ubuntu are you using>
[15:17] <rdw200169> looseparts, that's what i'm been asking; trying to figure it out
[15:18] <looseparts> see, i want to run Robocopy and incremenatlly backup my wife (unending) work on my linux server for safekeepping.
[15:18] <Deeeps> rdw200169: 1514.37 < looseparts> i want to store windows files on the linux server
[15:18] <looseparts> it's 8.04 lts
[15:18] <looseparts> and xp
[15:19] <Deeeps> looseparts: see https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/configuring-samba.html, scroll down to the section headed 'user accounts'
[15:19] <looseparts> (sorry - I meant my wife's unending work - she's doing a lot of writing...
[15:19] <looseparts> Deeeps, i'll look there - thanks
[15:21] <looseparts> Deeeps, et al. I'm off the work - I'll (re)read the configuing-samba.html and touch back in an hour or two. thanks for your help.
[15:22] <refnumzx> I am trying to get the version of kvm available in jaunty to run on intrepid.  The  amd64 version available on the packages pages makes dpkg produce an error that udev will break and fails to install.  I do not know how to build debian packages from source, i did try exploring that yesterday.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
[15:23] <Deeeps> refnumzx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu may be relevant to your interests
[16:15] <refnumzx> 0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0
[16:33] <Deeeps> kirkland: loving the new dark theme
[18:39] <kaje> I have a script I want to run whenever someone logs in (via ssh, gdm, whatever)... I though I could just put it in /etc/profile.d/, but that didn't seem to work. Any suggestions?
[18:48] <pmatulis> shell-dependent i would say
[19:30] <andol> kaje: The content in /etc/profile.d/ is sourced not run.
[19:46] <thehook> Hello everyone :) I have made a script that updates the system and installs Nginx with PHP support and MySQL with minimal user-interaction (only asks for mysql root password pretty early). If anyone could please check it out and give me some feedback it would be great! http://insecure.no/2009/01/easy-nginx-php-and-mysql-installer-script/
[19:49] <thehook> And if anyone knows how to suppress the big blue screen asking for MySQL root password so i can set it manually later? Hope anyone has a tips or two for me :)
[19:55] <kaje> andol: Where should I put a script that I want to run whenever someone logs in?
[19:56] <jmarsden|work> kaje: I'd say that /etc/profile.d/ is the right idea; just do it as a shell script fragment that will be sourced (executed in the current login shell) not executed in a separate process.
[19:56] <domas> hi!
[19:59] <jmarsden|work> kaje: So you can do   echo 'echo Hello shell user' |sudo tee /etc/profile.d/hello.sh   and then log in and it should display that little message to everyone who logs in.
[20:00] <maxb> kaje: Define "logs in" - console? ssh? X? What about the difference between interactive and non-interactive ssh?
[20:01]  * domas points to 'sudo bash' ;-)
[20:01] <domas> thehook: you can specify dpkg 'noninteractive mode'
[20:01] <domas> thehook: the easiest way is just sending to background :)
[20:02] <thehook> domas: will the script continue then?
[20:02] <domas> thehook: you can also put in < /dev/null
[20:02] <domas> so dpkg notices it doesn't own terminal
[20:02] <domas> dunno :)
[20:02] <domas> I wouldn't use mysql package from ubuntu
[20:03] <domas> I'd use one from mysql.com :)
[20:03] <thehook> hehe, i dont think it will work with > /dev/null at leaast but maybe the noninteractive mode
[20:03] <domas> thehook: < /dev/null
[20:03] <domas> thehook: not > /dev/null
[20:03] <domas> anyway, there's a way to set batch behavior somehow
[20:04] <thehook> and that's the way im looking for :P hehe, but i cant find it though :s
[20:05] <domas> I told you, try redirecting input
[20:05] <thehook> some guy said something about search google for "dpkg default priority" but all i find is dpkg-reconfigure --priority="low"
[20:05] <domas> or running with & :)
[20:05] <thehook> i am trying :) but i think the script will hang if it isn't getting any input
[20:06] <domas> hehehe
[20:06] <domas> you have limited thinking then!
[20:06] <jmarsden|work> thehook: Read the debconf(7) man page, look at the non-interactive front end option...
[20:06] <domas> anyway, I'll reiterate, I wouldn't use ubuntu package myself
[20:07] <domas> or at least I'd do considerable changes to it
[20:07] <domas> after I install it
[20:08] <domas> it has at least 3 major mistakes
[20:10] <thehook> domas: like what then? the only reason i'm using apt-get is because it will get updates automatically later :)
[20:10] <thehook> jmarsden: thanks, i will :)
[20:10] <thehook> jmarsden|work: thanks, i will :)
[20:11] <jmarsden|work> :)  I should have /away'ed before I left for work... I forgot to do that today!
[20:11] <thehook> hehe
[20:14] <thehook> jmarsden|work: how do i get the debconf(7) i just seem to get debconf(1).. im not to familiar with the man :P
[20:16] <jmarsden|work> man 7 debconf
[20:16] <jmarsden|work> BTW, you should also do man man and read that :)
[20:17] <thehook> hehehe, i tried man debconf 7 actually :P
[20:24] <thehook> domas: would you please tell me what the 3 mistakes with ubuntu package of mysql? :)
[20:25] <thehook> im trying to make the script as secure as possible so i would love to hear what.
[20:25] <domas> thehook: 1. CHECK TABLE on every restart 2. ~mysql permissions
[20:25] <domas> 3. old mysql version
[20:25] <thehook> mysql permission?
[20:26] <thehook> and is it bad that it does CHECK TABLE on every restart?
[20:27] <domas> thehook: if you had any 300GB innodb tables, you wouldn't like that ;-)
[20:27] <domas> well, even 10G is noticeable
[20:27] <thehook> is there any way to fix this with configuration after install?
[20:27] <domas> yes
[20:27] <domas> you have to edit the file installed by package
[20:28] <thehook> the config files right? what about the permissions? i will try to add this in my scripts :)
[20:30] <domas> just change mysql userdir to /nonexisting
[20:30] <domas> ~mysql should never be writable by mysqld
[20:30] <thehook> i'm not that into mysql configuration and would love if you maybe could help me a little bit to make a secure configuration :)
[20:31] <domas> come to my talk at mysql conference!
[20:31] <thehook> where?
[20:31] <domas> http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2009/public/schedule/detail/6753
[20:31] <domas> :-D
[20:32] <thehook> nice :) but too bad im living in norway :s
[20:34] <thehook> but i would love to if it was possible
[20:35] <domas> it is a good conference
[20:35] <thehook> im sure it is, i want to go already
[20:36] <thehook> but brb, i think i need some food :P
[20:51] <jef_buntu_> hi
[20:52] <jef_buntu_> i was able to makeup a NIC by sending an handmake frame but now my dhcp tftp servers dont boot the wakeup client...
[20:53] <jef_buntu_> makeup=wakeup
[21:03] <toehio> Can someone please give me some guidance for installing sound on my server?
[21:10] <kaje> I'm trying to get ssl working with apache on my ubuntu server. I've followed the instructions in the documentation on the ubuntu site. Now I'm getting this error when I try to look at the page in my web browser: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long
[21:10] <kaje> Any thoughts? I'm not seeing any message in the apache error log
[21:28] <genii> kaje: Perhaps see http://kainotes.blogspot.com/2008/08/creating-ssl-certificate-for-apache-on.html
[21:34] <kaje> The way I fixed it was to add NameVirtualHost *:80 \n NameVirtualHost *:443 to the top of my defaul vhost
[21:35] <kaje> Then every vhost had to be <VirtualHost *:80> or <VirtualHost *:443>
[21:35] <kaje> not sure why that was necessary, but it worked...
[22:19] <kansan> is this a valid /etc/rc.local file?  : http://pastie.org/373672
[22:21] <erichammond> kansan: You may wish to be explicit in where you expect the user-data to be downloaded (what directory) and perhaps even remove the file afterwards.
[22:21] <kansan> erichammond, where would you recommend?
[22:21] <kansan> to put it that is/
[22:22] <erichammond> kansan: /tmp is always convenient for temporary files :)
[22:22] <kansan> erichammond, once i invoke with user-data;  is it safe to delete at that point?
[22:23] <erichammond> kansan: I don't know how chef-client operates.
[22:25] <kansan> will wget overwrite the file if it already exists?  if not how can i make sure to?
[22:25] <erichammond> kansan: If you are starting with the Ubuntu AMIs I list on http://alestic.com then you can simply pass in a script to user-data and it will automatically be run on first boot.  That script could save the data file and run chef-client.
[22:26] <erichammond> kansan: I don't know how much other custom configuration you are doing, but it might even be possible to not have to build your own AMIs.
[22:26] <kansan> erichammond, i'm close to not having to build one
[22:26] <erichammond> kansan: Do you want to run chef-client on every reboot of the server? or just on the first boot?
[22:26] <kansan> erichammond, i'm now usuing chef which automates things
[22:27] <kansan> erichammond, every reboot
[22:27] <erichammond> user-data cannot be changed after the EC2 instance starts, so why does it need to be run on reboots?
[22:27] <kansan> erichammond, chef-client needs to start up
[22:27] <kansan> upon boot
[22:28] <kansan> and if it cant be changed
[22:28] <kansan> i dont need to rm it
[22:28] <kansan> problem solved
[22:28] <erichammond> right
[22:28] <erichammond> so /tmp is not the best place for that
[22:28] <kansan> ah you're right
[22:29] <kansan> i think it gets auto cleaned
[22:29] <kansan> where should i put instead?
[22:29] <kansan> i'm thinking /etc/ ?
[22:30] <erichammond> kansan: I would expect the chef documentation to have example locations under /etc or the like.
[22:30] <kansan> wait better
[22:30] <kansan> /etc/chef
[22:30] <kansan> along with chef config
[22:30] <kansan> perfect
[22:30] <kansan> erichammond, it doesnt really document how to start it up with ec2
[22:30] <kansan> folks in #chef are helping
[22:32] <erichammond> kansan: If you choose to use the user-data script hooks in the public Ubuntu AMIs, you will want to have that script install a chef-client startup program under /etc/init.d and symlink from /etc/rc4.d so that it gets started on reboots.
[22:33] <kansan> erichammond, isnt it enough to put this cd /etc/chef; wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/user-data; chef-client -J user-data;
[22:33] <kansan> inside /etc/rc.local ?
[22:33] <kansan> i thought rc.local gets run on every boot
[22:33] <kansan> oh you're saying if i choose not to bundle an ami?
[22:44] <erichammond> kansan: right on the last q.  (out to lunch, be back later)
[22:58] <fevel_> hi
[23:02] <fevel_> hello
[23:32] <RediXe> What is the terminal command to remove a user from a group? Specifically to remove a user from being able to use sudo. (admin group I think)
[23:34] <dayo__> RediXe: check the man pages for usermod
[23:34] <dayo__> RediXe: personally, i just edit the /etc/group file in vim
[23:35]  * altf2o_ wonders why his first 'sudo' command takes /forever/ to run. Subsequent ones are fast.
[23:35] <RediXe> dayo__, okay that just seems like the best way i guess. I thought there would be a more "accepted" solution using something like usermod.
[23:38] <dayo__> RediXe: imo "accepted" is whatever works and  u're most comfortable with
[23:39] <Deeeps> for auditing purposes, using sudo usermod is probably better
[23:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> RediXe, also look at gpasswd
[23:40] <JanC> altf2o_: probably because the second time all the files it needs are cached in memory?  ;)
[23:40] <RediXe> dayo__, okay :D I have used that method before I am just writing a wiki entry for setting up new machines for new employees (small office) I'll looking into usermod and gpasswd thanks :)
[23:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[23:40] <altf2o_> that's my guess, it's just annoying, i have no idea why it's starting to do this out of nowhere. One day it took 3 seconds for the first one, now it takes 30
[23:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc the command would be `gpasswd -R $username $groupname`
[23:41] <JanC> altf2o_: oh, that sounds like something else is wrong
[23:41] <Deeeps> RediXe: probably better off having them use one of those tools for your office environment then, rather than vi, as the change can be logged then
[23:41] <altf2o_> JanC: yeah and i've been messing with so many things i have no idea where i could've jacked something up.
[23:41] <RediXe> Deeeps, okay.
[23:52] <MatBoy> I have some weird issues with proftpd and mysql... my quota is not updated in the DB...


[15:51] <zequence> OvenWerks: If you're interested, I just pushed a GUI demo of the SRU version of ubuntustudio-controls. Doesn't do anything yet, but the barebones are all there.
[19:39] <zequence> The code is badly organized. Latest push checks if settings are good or not (sort of).
[19:47] <zequence> I'll only need one or two days to finish it up. But, won't have time again until a week from now.
[20:09] <zequence> OvenWerks: holstein: elfy: Just a heads up that I'll be gone for a week, and will be completely unreachable during that time.
[20:09] <elfy> yep - saw that zequence - have fun if it's fun you're off for :)
[20:14] <zequence> elfy: A week of Robinson Crusoe, basically, except it's a small island on the east coast of Sweden
[20:14] <zequence> I'm bringing my cell phone, so if I do have connection, I'll at least be able to watch the football final
[20:15] <elfy> sounds awesome - have enough fun to last a long time :)
[20:16] <zequence> yep, will try my best :)
[20:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: Have a good time.... hope to do about the same in august
[21:12] <zequence> OvenWerks: See you next week


  Sometimes legitimate users got slammed too.
[03:38] <skellat> paultag: But notice the issues I flagged with that nasty little dependency...
[03:38] <skellat> Shipping a private copy of node.js in a package probably violates packaging policy, I assume
[03:38] <paultag> skellat: pushing so hard for stable, why?
[03:39] <paultag> why not just wait until node gets into testing and backports
[03:39] <skellat> :-)
[03:39] <paultag> skellat: also is pump really in a shape to be uploaded to Debian?
[03:39] <skellat> paultag: Evan wants to build a pump.io appliance
[03:39] <paultag> skellat: if someone has a bug in 4 years when this version is in stable, will it get attention or "you're running out of date code, we're at v100000, what are you using that for"
[03:40] <paultag> perhaps you should upload it to experimental.
[03:40] <skellat> paultag: That's still the question being batted about
[03:40] <paultag> i see
[03:40] <paultag> yes, I agree. Wait until there's a compelling reason
[03:40] <paultag> until then use a local archive + ppas
[03:40] <skellat> Identica collapsed once after the transition
[03:41] <paultag> you have to really ask if this is going to be supported; if not, it's not fit for stable
[03:41] <paultag> which is part of why node it's self isn't in
[03:41] <skellat> Hence why I'm also talking to an FTPMASTER
[03:41] <paultag> skellat: rc-buggy, btw, isn't about rc buggy behavior
[03:41] <paultag> it's the rc buggy car from toy story
[03:41] <paultag> it's a joke
[03:41] <paultag> skellat: >:D
[03:41] <paultag> (you heard about that, didja :) )
[03:42] <skellat> Which done did flew over my head
[03:42] <skellat> Never really watched the Toy Story films too much
[03:42] <paultag> it's a bit subtle for most people
[03:42] <paultag> http://s3.amazonaws.com/bonanzleimages/afu/images/1002/8369/TOY_STORY_RC_CAR_PICS.jpg
[03:42] <jenni> https://j.mp/10VyPYw
[03:42] <skellat> Evan is a DD at least
[03:43] <paultag> wait, he is?
[03:43] <skellat> Last I recall, Evan Prodromou is a Debian Developer
[03:43] <paultag><EMAIL_ADDRESS>confirmed
[03:43] <paultag> neato
[03:44] <skellat> When I did the private write-up to him about what it would take to do the appliance I noted that Debian was going to be the best route since it supported the most kerosene-powered cheese graters at the moment
[03:44] <paultag> skellat: I met him when he came to Boston :)
[03:44] <paultag> Yeah, I'd say shoot for experimental
[03:44] <paultag> you can requestsync it down if you need to
[03:45] <skellat> The downstreams are the big worry if he goes ahead with the RPi appliance idea
[03:45] <skellat> Raspbian would be out of the question since they diverge a bit from Debian's own repo
[03:45] <skellat> Possibly
[03:46] <paultag> well, setting up an rpi archive is a snaop
[03:46] <paultag> snap
[03:46] <skellat> The RPi has a nice price point but has so many inconvenient limitations that make it annoying for things like use as an appliance
[03:46] <paultag> and one of the rpi folks is a DD
[03:46] <paultag> erm, raspbian
[03:46] <Unit193> Pretty easy to do a normal repo too. ;)
[03:46] <paultag> plugwash
[03:46] <paultag> brb trash
[03:46] <skellat> ARMv6 instruction set makes it generally not play nice with Pure Debian armhf which is why Raspbian went through re-compiling
[03:46] <skellat> Ubuntu won't touch ARMv6 instruction set
[03:47] <skellat> Fedora ARM ran dog slow until it was re-compiled for ARMv6 as Pidora and that was just...not cool...
[03:48] <skellat> Slackware focuses on ARMv5
[03:48] <skellat> Gentoo's installation process looks a bit masochistic
[09:35] <Derath-Srvr> skellat: isn't Gentoo masochistic in the first place?
[17:55] <skellat> Blah: https://identi.ca/alpacaherder/note/DvflWvpsQk2hpOfKXUO2xg
[17:55] <jenni> [ note by Stephen Michael Kellat - Identi.ca ] - https://j.mp/1bCYXvC
[17:56] <paultag> skellat: :(
[18:28] <Unit193> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1269#comment-402807 hah. ;P
[18:28] <jenni> [ Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » Two weeks with Mir ] - https://j.mp/1bD5AOv
[18:28] <Unit193> And no, I don't often read that blog, I didn't even fully read that post either.  There is a Jeff in the comments that is worth reading, though.
[18:54] <paultag> skellat: I'm just an ftp-assistant, part of the ftpmaster team :)
[18:54] <paultag> skellat: but thank you :)
[18:54] <Unit193> Well you help me out enough...
[18:54] <paultag> Unit193: ♥
[18:55] <paultag> it's a pleasure to serve.
[18:55] <paultag> Men and women for others, and all that other Jesuitical stuff
[18:57] <Unit193> I've even contacted the Debian/Ubuntu packageer for grub about a patch, but he said to contact upstream. :(
[18:58] <paultag> dafuq
[18:58] <paultag> cjwatson? jordi?
[18:58] <Unit193> (New config option, so makes sense.)  Watson.
[18:58] <paultag> ah yep
[18:58] <paultag> cjwatson is a great guy
[18:59] <Unit193> He didn't seem bad, not someone I'd want to contact often though just because :scary: :P
[18:59] <Unit193> He explained why, and it was very sane.
[19:04] <paultag> :)
[19:08] <alpacaherder> Very, very, very tentatively: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-ohio/624/detail/
[19:08] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Ohio July 2013 Meeting | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/15IaKGw
[23:16] <Unit193> Heh, for having "details" in the name, it's a bit lacking on their end. :P  I'd guess either the platform is lacking, or the agenda is one item?  (Well, guessing lacking platform either way.)
[23:20] <skellat> Unit193: Yet another bug I need to file against LoCo portal
[23:21] <skellat> Even though our time zone is Eastern Standard Time, the meeting tool is stuck in UTC
[23:23] <skellat> Okay
[23:23] <skellat> Got some more details added
[23:23] <skellat> Gonna file yet more bugs
[23:23] <Unit193> (Not that I'm trying to nitpick, or complain.)
[23:24] <skellat> Unit193: There, does it look better now?
[23:25] <Unit193> Yes!


[03:17] <russell5> is anyone else haveing issues with nuvexport with xvid on mythbuntu 9.10
[07:54] <ramindia> mythbuntu.org is down.. any one have idea where i can download ISO image
[07:59] <superm1> if the site is down, cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu
[07:59] <Zinn> [cdimages.ubuntu.com] Index of /mythbuntu
[07:59] <superm1> Daviey, tgm4883 ^ re site down
[08:01] <ramindia> Mythbuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) Daily Build
[08:01] <ramindia> is this  correct ?
[08:01] <superm1> if you want to test the dailies for 10.04 sure; 9.10 is the stable stuff
[08:01] <superm1> under releases/
[08:02] <superm1> 10.04 is 0.23 based, 9.10 is 0.22 based
[08:02] <ramindia> ok let me download both and test
[08:04] <superm1> feel free to file any 10.04 bugs at http:///bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[08:19] <ramindia> sure
[08:20] <ramindia> iam installing 10.X now, wtih hauppaugei 1800 card, hope it work with this version
[09:15] <ramindia> superm1: 10.X have problem installing
[09:27] <hein1908_> Good morning
[09:29] <hein1908_>  Is there somebody out there, who has an advice how to setuo my xorg.con right to use HDTV?
[12:30] <Guest29910> Hi. I'm thinking of setitng up a mythbuntu box for my mediacenter and have a question: since I have an iPod Touch, I was wondering if there is an app that is suitable for remotely controlling mythbuntu?
[12:31] <Guest29910> can anybody recommend something?
[13:51] <gencom> .
[13:53] <mrand> gencom: yes, I believe there is.  Perhaps more than one.
[13:55] <gencom> mrand: do you know, what happened to the mythbuntu.org site?
[13:56] <mrand> iphone guy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/416304
[13:56] <Zinn> [www.gossamer-threads.com] Remotux Released! | MythTV | Users
[13:56] <Daviey> oo err
[13:56] <mrand> Daviey: you doing naughty things?
[13:57] <Daviey> no, there was a failure last night but it should be resolved
[13:57] <mrand> Oh.  You sure you didn't just up and upgrade the world-facing machine to 10.10? ;-)
[13:57] <Daviey> mrand: smithers is running lucid :)
[13:59] <mrand> Daviey: you working the outage, or do we need to alert someone else?
[13:59] <Daviey> mrand: trying to
[14:00] <Daviey> we are back
[14:00] <Daviey> looks like the hard disk needs a good fsck later tho
[14:00]  * Daviey goes afk
[14:00] <gencom> looks good again :-)
[14:00] <mrand> Thanks Daviey
[14:00] <gencom> thanks
[14:14] <gencom> does anybody know, if there is any additional information available beyond https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/439163?comments=all  on how to get mythbuntu 9.10 run with an HVR4000 ?
[14:14] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #439163 in Mythbuntu: “HVR-1300 HVR-3000 HVR-4000 broken in kernel”
[14:23] <mrand> gencom: I'm not aware of anything above what is there.
[14:28] <gencom> mrand: thanks - I'll just try to get through it again until it works
[15:13] <dewman> Good Morning.....Is the autobuild server down?
[15:14] <FKman> Hello. After installing MythFrontend and MythBackend i can't see my live tv. I got only information: "Partially locked". Can anyone help me?
[15:24] <innatech> Hello---tried to install MythBuntu (9.10 x86) as a Primary Backend+Frontend last night on a K8N Neo2 (nForce2) / AMD X2 4200+ system (3GB RAM) with 2 Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 boards. I have one PATA drive (the boot drive) and two SATA drives in an nRaid stripe.   I'm having two problems: first, the installer sees my PATA drive as SDC during install but apparently GRUB doesn't see it as SDC on boot, because it freezes after stage 1.
[15:24] <innatech>  I have to use the install CD to boot the first drive. Second, once booted, I get this constant login prompt flicker--I have to SSH in on another maching and stop GDM. Presumably this is the restricted drivers failing to support my 6600XT (AGP.) I've tried 180, 185 and 190 from nVidia's site. Current plan is to downgrade to older drives and see if that helps. Has anyone seen or solved these before?
[16:08] <mishehu> innatech: I really don't mess around with grub, so is stage 1 still a part of the grub boot load?
[16:08] <mishehu> or is this after grub has completed its work?
[16:08] <innatech> Well, whatever is going on when you see:
[16:08] <innatech> GRUB _
[16:09] <innatech> (with the cursor flashing....endlessly.)
[16:09] <innatech> No prompt, just flashing.
[16:09] <innatech> Booting with the install CD works, so I presume it's a menu.lst problem.
[16:09] <mishehu> hmm donno.  if it was at the point where it would be trying to mount things in fstab, that would be an easy fix
[16:09] <mishehu> don't know what to do about grub
[16:10] <innatech> I'm going to go poke it with a sharp stick. We
[16:10] <innatech> 'll see how it likes that.
[16:10] <innatech> as in, I'm going to reinstall it manually.
[16:11] <innatech> I'm more puzzled by the video problem, as I can currently boot with a CD and it works.
[16:12] <innatech> and, apparently, this is an nforce3 board. Not nforce2. Not a very big difference, tho.
[16:21] <superm1> mrand, blah http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7832#comment:4
[16:21] <Zinn> [svn.mythtv.org] #7832 (Add support to drop permissions if running as root) – MythTV
[16:22] <superm1> that's the bug people have been seeing in 10.04 with the user permissions drop stuff
[16:23] <superm1> the right way to set GID's is 'setgroups', but i'm at a loss how to query all the groups a uid is supposed to be in
[16:23] <superm1> there doesn't appear to be a C analogue to the 'groups' comand that I can find
[16:37] <innatech> alright, I've reverted to plain VESA after 190, 185, and 173 drivers all failed.
[17:11] <innatech> 96 series worked--but not when installed through restricted drivers. Had to do it with nvidias binary package and then install the correct modules and reconfigure.
[17:12] <innatech> The grub2 issue had to do with the installer being confused by the boot order set in BIOS. Booting w/o CD works now.
[17:13] <innatech> I'd suggest that the Restricted Drivers installer be altered to recommend 96 series if the display is an AGP card.
[17:13] <innatech> *on an
[17:17] <innatech> (I'm thinking it would've probably installed cleanly if I hadn't installed/removed all the others first.)
[18:34] <innatech> OK...so I have an apparently working install---but the frontend will not run and I can't access backend config as mythfilldb errors out and then nothing happens. Help?
[18:53] <innatech> OK, so apparently libvdpau is missing. Aptitude doesn't show an appropriate version for nvidia-glx-96. What do I do?


[00:40] <shadeslayer> Launchpad seems down?
[00:40] <shadeslayer> http://isup.me/launchpad.net
[00:52] <eagles0513875> anyreason why LP is down and any other site such as the wiki etc
[00:54] <Pici> eagles0513875: they're working on it
[00:54] <eagles0513875> Pici: did the server explode lol
[00:55] <eagles0513875> its not only launchpad even the wiki is down
[00:55] <Pici> All I know is that Canonical is aware of the problem
[00:55] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[00:55] <eagles0513875> that would potentially mean uk main archive is down as well
[00:58] <vadi> Is Launchpad unavailable for anyone else?
[00:59] <DarkPlayer> vadi: yes
[00:59] <vadi> okay
[01:00] <vidplace7> yeah vadi, RIP launchpad
[01:00] <vidplace7> it must be stored on the same server as the ubuntu community wiki
[01:02] <vidplace7> https://dev.launchpad.net/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[01:04] <vadi> Given how add-apt-repository crashes if the connection times out, I can see a lot of error reports flooding in from this incident
[01:05] <vidplace7> good luck xnox ;)
[01:07] <vadi> Sounds like it is the hosting providers problem
[01:08] <wgrant> We've had a power failure in one of our datacentres. Not entirely sure of the details yet.
[01:09] <vidplace7> good to know it's not some massive DDoS :) hope it's resolved soon
[01:16] <cr3> ah, topic answered my question. bbl :)
[01:16] <xnox> "the incoming electrical supply is considered to be one of the most resilient available to any infrastructure within the UK"
[01:16] <xnox> well, i guess everyone should just have a cup of tea and wait =)
[01:17] <vadi> where'd you read that?
[01:36] <xnox> http://www.globalswitch.com/locations/london-data-center/
[01:43] <Fahrertuer> got an ETAon LP being back up and running?
[01:44] <stgraber> no ETA, the DC lost power, someone is heading there now will be back as soon as possible
[01:45] <Fahrertuer> THX. good luck with bringing it back online.
[01:48] <cprofitt> stgraber: brings back memories for two weeks ago for me when my storage system had multiple disk failures...
[01:48] <cprofitt> took me 8 hours to restore service, but no data was lost
[01:50] <Fahrertuer> sounds like that recurring nightmare I have
[01:51] <Fahrertuer> (although that refers to that messed up PBX system at work)
[01:57] <pirret> hi..launchpad seems to be down
[01:57] <pirret> unless it's just me
[01:57] <pirret> ah sorry, topic..
[01:59] <cprofitt> pirret: its ok... many people have been asking...
[02:00] <czajkowski> please see the topic :)and subscribe to https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[02:18] <julian____> Hi all. Is there a mirror
[02:48] <pirret> argh
[02:48] <pirret> still down :S
[02:48] <pirret> bad datacenter
[02:49] <pirret> just when i started to install new ubuntu box launchpad goes down, my luck
[02:49] <pirret> oh but it is up now!
[02:49] <pirret> no one updated twitter
[02:50] <chilicuil> lol
[02:52] <wgrant> It's sort of up :)
[02:52] <wgrant> Some bits and pieces are still not quit working.
[02:52] <wgrant> s/quit/quite/
[02:53] <FLeiXiuS> PPA noooo
[02:53] <pirret> mmh isee
[02:54] <FLeiXiuS> i need ppa's!!!!
[02:54] <FLeiXiuS> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:00] <TheLordOfTime> wgrant: I take it from FLeiXiuS's statements that PPAs are still down?
[03:01] <wgrant> TheLordOfTime: Yes, they're not quite back yet.
[03:01] <czajkowski> if you keep poking it, it won't come back to life properly :p FACT :)
[03:01] <TheLordOfTime> czajkowski: purely curious is all
[03:02] <TheLordOfTime> because luckily i got what i needed from my PPAs *BEFORE* the datacenter broke xD
[03:02] <czajkowski> sure sure
[03:02] <TheLordOfTime> (people are emailing me asking why the nginx team's PPAs are not working though :/)
[03:03] <TheLordOfTime> i assume still no ETA on fully operational?
[03:03] <wgrant> Very Soon™
[03:03]  * TheLordOfTime didn't see anything on @launchpadstatus
[03:03] <TheLordOfTime> wgrant: so basically, "No, not really"
[03:03] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[03:04] <czajkowski> TheLordOfTime: point them at lp status on twitter and to book mark it
[03:04] <czajkowski> honestly when it's up it's up and everyone does tend to work that out pretty fast
[03:04] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[03:06] <vidplace7> so it's like 1/2 up
[03:06] <vidplace7> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138742143/winusb_1.0.11%2Braring1_amd64.deb for instance, wont download
[03:35] <techplex> Is launchpad not working for more than me?
[03:36] <McMah0n> see topic
[03:40] <heraclitus> anyone else unable to connect to https://launchpad.net ?
[03:41] <chilicuil> heraclitus: launchpad is down due to a datacenter issue
[03:41] <heraclitus> ahh okay, thanks :)
[03:41] <PJAMA> Ah, that's why I haven't been able to update elementary OS lately? Thanks!
[03:41] <heraclitus> hope it gets fixed soon, who ever is working on it :)
[03:41] <ioldanach> no eta, I presume?
[03:42] <chilicuil> yep, no eta so far
[03:42] <heraclitus> sorry to hear about the issues, never fun.
[03:42] <ioldanach> ok.  friday night, and all, I'm sure everyone's doing their best
[03:42] <PJAMA> We'll just have to wait until tomorrow to update. Goodnight Everyone.
[03:42] <heraclitus> good night PJAMA
[03:45] <phyphor> AH, guess the topic explains why I can't add certain PPAs!
[03:48]  * phyphor slips out quietly
[03:53] <coderpete> code.launchpad.net appears to be down. http://screencapture.objects.dreamhost.com/201311/08195134_7095.png
[03:53] <esde> !topic
[03:55]  * coderpete was trying to download the latest stable duplicity tarball
[03:55] <coderpete> anyone here that can help?
[03:56] <wgrant> coderpete: See the topic. There's a power failure in one of our datacentres, and we're working to get things back up.
[03:56] <Noskcaj> coderpete, all of launchpad is down, please read the topic
[03:57] <esde> !topic | esde
[03:58] <coderpete> right.  thanks Noskcaj I'll check back in a bit.
[03:59] <excalibr> launchpad is being ddosed?
[03:59] <esde> !topic | excalibr
[03:59] <wgrant> No, unless DDoSers managed to take out some of our power feeds :)
[03:59] <esde> power issues
[04:02] <excalibr> uhm
[04:04] <Logan_> It looks like we're back in business.
[04:04] <stgraber> not really
[04:04] <stgraber> launchpad.net works but quite a bit of backend infrastructure doesn't
[04:05] <stgraber> including a good chunk of the PPA infrastructure and Ubuntu's ftpmaster
[04:05] <Logan_> Please disregard that, then. :P
[04:16] <rickhull1> i can reach https://launchpad.net now  :)
[04:16] <rickhull1> might wanna update https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus  ?
[04:17] <esde> ppa still down
[04:17] <dragon36> looks like ppa is still down
[04:25] <wgrant> Codehosting, PPAs, the librarian and various other services are still down.
[04:26] <TheLordOfTime> wgrant: i was just about to tweet to @launchpadstatus (not post, but send a tweet myself with the @ target) saying that some things seem partially up, perhaps someone should update @launchpadstatus about the partial-restoration of services?
[04:29] <pdffs> there's really no point updating the status until all the backend services return
[04:30] <pirret> what is taking so long :S
[04:45] <rickhull1> imho, worth a status update to say that http is back, auth services are back, etc.
[04:45] <rickhull1> personally, i care because openstack.org uses launchpad for auth
[04:45] <rickhull1> so i would have liked to know, from statusupdate, that auth is back
[04:46] <rickhull1> without polling stuff myself
[04:46] <pirret> did zunami hit the datacenter or why ppa still down after 3 hours?
[04:47] <TheLordOfTime> pirret: because it probably takes a while to bring a lot of backend services back up, you need to have patience
[04:47] <wgrant> Electricity also helps :)
[04:48] <wgrant> There's a misconfiguration in the power feeds to some of our cabinets, which means that our dual-feed supplies to some hosts aren't working with one of the feeds failed.
[04:48] <wgrant> A few hosts are still down.
[05:07] <PJAMA> PPA servers still down?
[05:08] <stgraber> the buildd-manager needs a restart at least and it's not yet clear how many of the builders are reachable, so yeah, more urgent things to fix first
[05:14] <jeffrey_f> Trying to add my private key to Launchpad.  Although I can find my PubKey on the hkp ubuntu server by email, I can't find it by fingerprint.  Any ideas?
[05:16] <wgrant> jeffrey_f: Which fingerprint are you trying?
[05:16] <jeffrey_f> 4C69 9D45 A24B 3BD0 2AF4  8BA0 6097 40B9 12A4 5CAB
[05:17] <wgrant> And what's the email address?
[05:17] <jeffrey_f><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:19] <wgrant> jeffrey_f: I see that key when I search for 0x4C699D45A24B3BD02AF48BA0609740B912A45CAB
[05:19] <wgrant> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4C699D45A24B3BD02AF48BA0609740B912A45CAB&fingerprint=on
[05:20] <jeffrey_f> Yes, but launchpad is saying it can't import the key
[05:33] <jeffrey_f> any news?
[05:34] <stgraber> the server in the critical path for GPG is booting up now
[05:34] <jeffrey_f> OK
[05:34] <wgrant> And PPAs and codehosting are mostly back.
[05:48] <jeffrey_f> how long does that usually take, just curious
[05:50] <wgrant> jeffrey_f: There's no "usually", unfortunately; we're routing power between cabinets to get the remaining servers re-powered.
[05:51] <jeffrey_f> ah.  So I should try in the morning then?
[05:51] <rickhull1> my guess is booting servers that have had power restored takes a few minutes.  verification, undoing previous triage things, re-establishing clusters, shared storage, discovering faults in less-than-critical-paths — these things can take hours
[05:51] <jeffrey_f> Yep, I'll try in the AM.  Thanks!
[05:52] <wgrant> There's only a couple of bits left still broken, but it's not clear how long those will take.
[05:53] <jeffrey_f> ok.  Thanks for the help!
[08:04] <arun> hi guys , I wanted to host my codes in launchpad , how can I do that ??
[08:25] <arun_> hello guys , anyone there ., please help me for adding my codes in Launchpad !!!
[08:25] <arun_> ajmitch: hello !!!
[08:27] <StevenK> arun_: I suggest you read the topic, we can't help you right now, due to it.
[08:27] <arun_> StevenK: oh sorry bro
[08:34] <rickhull1> arun_: https://code.launchpad.net/     but there was a recent outage and not all services may be up
[08:37] <arun_> wgrant: good to hear
[08:38] <arun_> rickhull1: so, how do a do ???
[08:38] <arun_> rickhull1: please help me
[08:38] <rickhull1> 1. now is a particularly bad time, because things may not be working normally
[08:38] <rickhull1> 2. check the docs
[08:39] <rickhull1> personally, i've never been involved in code hosting with launchpad
[08:39] <rickhull1> arun_: are you familiar with github?
[08:40] <arun_> rickhull1: yes , I have github repo , and I am wanting to translate my software into other languages !!!, so. please help me
[08:40] <rickhull1> according to https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus  things should be working normally now
[08:41] <rickhull1> arun_: ok, well the choice of hosting on launchpad or github has nothing to do with the software language
[08:41] <arun_> rickhull1: I mean, I wanted to localize my software
[08:41] <rickhull1> gotcha
[08:42] <rickhull1> that seems like a completely separate problem from where to host your software
[08:43] <arun_> rickhull1: yaa., the main thing is to localize or translate my software !!!
[08:44] <rickhull1> it's a tough problem, for sure
[08:44] <rickhull1> i don't see how hosting your code on launchpad versus anywhere else accomplishes that goal
[08:49] <arun_> rickhull1: lol, so any ways for the localization
[08:50] <rickhull1> i might be misunderstanding the power of launchpad code hosting, but i think it's something that needs to be worked out in the code, not the hosting
[08:52] <wgrant> arun_: Have you read through https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject?
[08:52] <wgrant> You don't have to use Launchpad Codehosting to use Launchpad Translations.
[08:52] <wgrant> You can upload translation templates directly.
[08:52] <wgrant> But you first need to have translation support in your code.
[08:56] <arun_> wgrant: yaa, I have the pot file
[08:56] <arun_> wgrant: so , whats the next ??
[08:57] <wgrant> arun_: https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/ImportingTemplates
[09:01] <arun_> wgrant: bro, I can't figure out there is no for pot , there is only git, bazaar, ...,etc
[09:01] <wgrant> arun_: Where are you looking
[09:01] <wgrant> ?
[09:01] <arun_> wgrant: where u told
[09:02] <wgrant> "or manually upload .pot files using the web interface. "
[09:03] <wgrant> click the Translations tab on your project, then select a series. You'll see an option in the bottom right to upload a file directly.
[09:04] <arun_> wgrant: bro manual synchronize?]
[09:05] <wgrant> arun_: That's the one
[09:06] <arun_> wgrant: ok , I am downloading that file from my git repo
[09:20] <arun_> wgrant: I just uploaded but there is no data in the translations page inside my branch
[09:21] <wgrant> arun_: Which project is this?
[09:21] <arun_> launchpad.net/chitwanix/sagarmatha
[09:23] <wgrant> arun_: I've approved the template import, so it should happen in a few minutes. You can see the status of your imports at https://translations.launchpad.net/chitwanix/sagarmatha/+imports
[09:24] <arun_> wgrant: thank u very much, but the language I am going to translate into is Tharu not Nepali
[09:27] <wgrant> arun_: Chitwania Tharu aka. 'the'?
[09:28] <arun_> wgrant: I can't understand what u are saying
[09:29] <wgrant> arun_: Tharu is a family of languages with several dialects, each with a distinct language code.
[09:29] <wgrant> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/23 describes the process for adding a new language to Launchpad
[09:29] <arun_> wgrant: og
[09:32] <arun_> wgrant: brother, the lanuage is related to Nepali with the writing letters same as Nepali but the Name must be Tharu
[09:33] <arun_> wgrant: so, we need to get verified for an ISO
[09:39] <wgrant> arun_: There are already ISO 639-3 codes for several Tharu languages
[09:39] <wgrant> See the bottom right of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharu_language
[09:40] <arun_> wgrant: oh yaa, so, how can I get that , its Chitwania
[09:40] <wgrant> So http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=the?
[09:44] <arun_> wgrant: bro, then how do I add the language in launchpad??
[09:44] <arun_> wgrant: should I ask in the answer page or what? please give me some idea
[09:45] <wgrant> arun_: You'll need to ask a question on Launchpad Answers, including the language code and plural form information as described at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/23
[09:45] <arun_> wgrant: ok
[09:46] <excalibr> is it not possible to make your ppa only available to you?
[09:47] <wgrant> excalibr: Private PPAs are a commercial feature.
[09:47] <excalibr> oh i see. then what is that "publish" option in ppa
[09:48] <excalibr> ppa page*
[09:49] <wgrant> It's not useful to you unless you already know why you need to use it. It prevents the packages from being published to ppa.launchpad.net where apt can see them.
[09:49] <wgrant> The PPA remains public on the launchpad.net web UI.
[09:52] <arun_> wgrant: will be verified soon ?
[09:53] <wgrant> arun_: You need to provide plural form information before we can set up the language. Have you read through https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/PluralForms?
[09:55] <arun_> wgrant: I really didn't understand that , sorry, please help me !!!
[09:57] <wgrant> arun_: What didn't you understand about that page?
[09:57] <arun_> wgrant: the plural thing, 2 for English ?? what that means??
[09:58] <wgrant> arun_: In English I say "0 apples, 1 apple, 2 apples, 3 apples, [...]". That means there's two plural forms: one for a single object, and one for every other number of objects.
[09:59] <wgrant> We need to know the plural forms for a language so we know what to ask for when translating a plural string.
[10:00] <arun_> wgrant: oh thanks bro
[10:03] <arun_> wgrant: oh there are 2
[10:03] <arun_> wgrant: bro, submitted
[10:15] <eLBati> any known issue with MPs? https://code.launchpad.net/~agilebg/account-payment/adding_account_due_list_7/+merge/182330
[10:17] <wgrant> eLBati: Sorry about that, it's a bit of remaining fallout from the datacentre power failure we suffered a few hours ago. Fixing.
[10:17] <wgrant> Hopefully just a few minutes.
[10:17] <eLBati> thanks wgrant
[10:19] <wgrant> eLBati: Should work now.
[10:19] <eLBati> wgrant, it does
[10:19] <eLBati> tnx
[10:26] <arrun> wgrant: hello again
[10:26] <wgrant> arrun: Hi. I noticed that you provided the number of plural forms, but we also need to know the rules which determine the form to use.
[10:27] <wgrant> For English the plural expression is 'n != 1', because one form is used for the case of 1 object, and the other form is used for every other case.
[10:27] <arrun> wgrant: bro , its same as of the English
[10:31] <arrun> wgrant: I c that, the thing is not been observed by the guys what I posted
[10:31] <wgrant> arrun: I don't understand what you mean by that last bit.
[10:31] <arrun> wgrant: I mean , the post is not been replied by the guys !!!
[10:32] <wgrant> arrun: Things normally get replied to within a day or so, except on weekends. But I'm creating the language for you now.
[10:32] <arrun> wgrant: oh Thank you very much !!!
[10:33] <wgrant> arrun: Is it spoken in India, Nepal, or both?
[10:33] <arrun> wgrant: in Nepal
[10:34] <wgrant> And it's written left-to-right? From what I can see it uses Devanagari.
[10:35] <arrun> wgrant: yup left to right
[10:36] <wgrant> arrun: https://translations.launchpad.net/chitwanix/sagarmatha/+pots/sagarmatha/the/+translate
[10:36] <wgrant> https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/the
[10:36] <arrun> wgrant: oh yaa, Thank You bro very very much
[10:37] <wgrant> arrun: No worries. If you have any issues, ask here or on Launchpad Answers and we'll sort it out.
[10:38] <arrun> wgrant: bro, but I am unable to add the strings  !!!
[10:38] <wgrant> arrun: What happens when you try?
[10:38] <arrun> there is writthen no translation yet
[10:39] <wgrant> arrun: Ah, you have your translation permissions set to Restricted, which means that only members of the translation group for your language can make changes to the translation.
[10:39] <arrun> wgrant: yaa , but I am the4 owner of it , isn't it
[10:41] <wgrant> arrun: I'd suggest changing your policy to Open or Structured at https://translations.launchpad.net/chitwanix/+configure-translations
[10:41] <wgrant> Open means that anybody can change any translation
[10:41] <arrun> ok
[10:41] <arrun> wgrant: but some freaks may change it to jpt also
[10:42] <wgrant> Structured means that anyone can make suggestions, and any member of the relevant translation group can change the translation. If there's no translation group set up for that language, anyone can make changes.
[10:42] <wgrant> I'd recommend Structured for now; you can change it later if you run into trouble.
[10:43] <arrun> wgrant: bro, and can we be the translation group :)
[10:45] <arrun> wallyworld_:  yes structured worked
[10:46] <wgrant> arrun: If you want to use Restricted, you'll need to create an lp-l10n-the team and get it set up in the Launchpad Translators group, but I'd suggest continuing with Structured unless you see a problem.
[10:46] <wgrant> It keeps the overhead low for new languages with few contributors.
[10:46] <arrun> wgrant: ok bro
[14:19] <arrun> wgrant: hello bro, I had a thing to do, how can I add a person for translation stuffs
[14:29] <arrun> wgrant: are u there?
[15:42] <nik90> hey can you guys help me merge a branch into a project.
[15:42] <nik90> I just created a new project
[15:42] <nik90> and I did a bzr init on a folder and commited files
[15:42] <nik90> https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/cliffhanger/trunk/+merge/194622
[15:43] <nik90> now I am not sure how to merge this branch into the lp:cliffhanger branch
[15:43] <nik90> I did bzr merge lp:~nik90/cliffhanger/trunk
[15:43] <nik90> but I get a message "nothing to do"
[15:45] <cjwatson> If you initialise a branch from scratch then you can't merge it into other branches
[15:45] <cjwatson> If you wanted to merge it into lp:cliffhanger, then you should have started by "bzr branch lp:cliffhanger name-of-your-branch"
[15:46] <cjwatson> Also, "bzr merge lp:~nik90/cliffhanger/trunk" operates on your current working tree, so if you're in lp:~nik90/cliffhanger/trunk already then it's a no-op
[15:48] <nik90> my new project does not have a trunk branch yet
[15:48] <nik90> how do I initiate it?
[15:49] <cjwatson> lp:~nik90/cliffhanger/trunk-1 appears to exist, so push to it
[15:49] <nik90> it does but it is incorrect since I dont want my username attached to it
[15:49] <nik90> I like it to be just lp:cliffhanger
[15:50] <nik90> or am I being completely wrong here
[15:50] <cjwatson> It can't be *just* lp:cliffhanger, although that alias can certainly exist; there always has to be a canonical name of the form lp:~OWNER/PROJECT/BRANCH-NAME
[15:50] <cjwatson> So you can either have OWNER there be nik90, or a team
[15:50] <nik90> ah okay
[15:51] <cjwatson> Have you read through https://help.launchpad.net/Code and the various pages following it?
[15:51] <cjwatson> e.g. https://help.launchpad.net/Code/TeamBranches
[15:51] <nik90> cjwatson: I am familiar with pushing/editing branches..just wasn't sure where to find documentation on initiating a new project
[15:54] <cjwatson> Basically you just push a branch with your preferred ownership (yourself or a team) and some name like "trunk", and then set the development focus of the project to that branch.
[15:55] <cjwatson> You don't want to merge.
[15:55] <nik90> I understand better now. I created a team and push it to lp:~cliffhanger-dev/cliffhanger/trunk and set that as my developement trunk
[15:56] <nik90> now I can merge to that branch if required
[15:57] <cjwatson> But for the initial push you should just push to it, not merge.
[15:57] <nik90> yeah
[15:57] <nik90> so lets say I branch a new one by bzr branch lp:cliffhanger branch-name-here
[15:57] <nik90> and I push it to lp:~nik90/cliffhanger/branch-name
[15:57] <nik90> how do I merge this into trunk?
[15:58] <nik90> after a review process/
[16:01] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review
[16:01] <cjwatson> which links to http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/merging_changes.html
[16:01] <nik90> thnx
[16:02] <cjwatson> It's easiest if you're working in a checkout (i.e. "bzr checkout lp:cliffhanger"), in which case it's just "bzr merge lp:~nik90/cliffhanger/branch-name", resolve any conflicts, commit with some appropriate message
[16:02] <cjwatson> If you're in an unbound branch ("bzr branch lp:cliffhanger"), then you also have to "bzr push" back to lp:cliffhanger at the end
[16:04] <nik90> this is a single person team now. So mergeing into trunk directly would be okay
[16:04] <nik90> but I still want to create a review and then push to trunk where possible for best practices
[16:08] <cjwatson> And the commands I just gave you are what you'd use for the post-merge review
[16:08] <cjwatson> Er, the post-review merge
[16:10] <nik90> ah okay.. so I checkout the trunk branch, merge the branch under review and then commit it
[16:11] <nik90> I am used to jenkins bot doing the merge for me in the clock app :P
[16:11] <nik90> that you forget the basics
[16:28] <cjwatson> Right.
[16:31] <ryanakca> Is there a way to stop receiving PPA related messages for teams you belong to?
[17:41] <skellat> Is anybody around who can assist with [Launchpad Feedback #40137] perhaps?
[20:07] <theleft> any reason why i should still be getting three signature failures on my ppas?
[20:07] <theleft> three ppas that is
[20:08] <theleft> the problem started when launchpad went down, they were all fine before that
[22:23] <ozzy_> hello i need help, i can't create a package withing a PPA, the error is bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.BzrCommandError: Failed to apply quilt patches, anybody knows how to solve it?


[01:22] <gorilla> ikt: how is what setup? My media storage??? It's just one partition... I am considering getting a few "green" hard drives and create a raid volume from there.
[10:59] <ikt> heya brez :)
[11:55] <somethinginteres> FYI to anyone trying to install 11.04 on a netbook there seems to be a bug in the installer where the window doesn't resize to fit the screen so you can't see the install progress bar.
[12:57] <ikt> hmm'
[12:57] <ikt> that bug should have been fixed ages ago
[13:03] <somethinginteres> ikt: it was meant to have been fixed but it still presents in the final ISO. I added a comment to the bug report stating that
[13:26] <head_victim> somethinginteres: thanks for the write up, I should do one for the website as well but might just copy and paste from the mailing list one
[13:28] <somethinginteres> head_victim: no problem :)
[13:29] <head_victim> Documenting the efforts is half the battle.
[13:29] <head_victim> My ulterior motive for making sure it's all written up properly is it will make a reapproval bid easier if we have it all there already.
[13:35] <somethinginteres> head_victim: yeah that's it. When would they consider the case for re-approval?
[13:35] <head_victim> Whenever we're ready.
[13:36] <head_victim> I think if we have increased activity for this release cycle we should reapply
[13:40] <head_victim> It's more about sustaining then having one burst of activity.
[13:43] <somethinginteres> head_victim: I think so too. This is why I suggested in my "report" that it would be awesome to meet up more regularly than simply at release time.
[13:43] <head_victim> somethinginteres: by all means, look up "ubuntu hours" which is what I wanted to organise but my shiftwork kinda made it unfeasible for me personally.
[13:44] <head_victim> All it takes is someone to want to do it, publicise it and have others arrive :)


[05:53] <charles_> w00
[05:53] <charles_> transmission 1.0 released!
[05:53] <charles_> http://download.m0k.org/transmission/files/transmission-1.00.tar.bz2


[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:17] <SlidingHorn> morning lotuspsychje
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> hey SlidingHorn
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:00] <SlidingHorn> morning lordievader
[06:00] <lordievader> Hey SlidingHorn
[06:00] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:01] <SlidingHorn> Not too bad - just looking into switching twitch bots atm
[06:02] <SlidingHorn> and banging my head against the wall in the main channel in the meantime lol
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning!
[06:19] <SlidingHorn> ducasse: morning
[06:20] <SlidingHorn> RIP ubottu -
[06:21] <ducasse> it'll be back, i expect
[06:21] <SlidingHorn> we hardly knew ye
[06:37] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:37] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:39] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well, thanks, how are you?
[06:40] <lordievader> Doing good here 😁
[06:41] <ducasse> having a good morning so far? :)
[06:42] <lordievader> Haven't had coffee yet
[06:43] <lordievader> Going to get some now 😀
[06:43] <ducasse> mustn't forget that
[06:58] <lordievader> Indeed
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> work time guys cu laterz
[08:20] <Bugzie> Back
[10:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:46] <JimBuntu> Good morning
[10:48] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[10:50] <BluesKaj> insomnia here again, woke up at 4...couldn't get back to sleep after that :/
[10:53] <BluesKaj> but a nap this afternoon should help
[11:43] <daftykins> \o
[12:10] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins
[12:14] <daftykins> BluesKaj: hi hi, how're things besides the sleep troubles?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> ok otherwise daftykins, how about you?
[12:16] <daftykins> pretty good cheers! i did a huge overhaul of my home server earlier this week, so i am much upgraded... saving power and made life easier :)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> ahh, cool :-)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> saving power is money in the bank, especially at our rates here...been consolidating our electrical devices and now I have about 6 or 7 old devices that were continuously drawing power thru the wall warts they came with, "always on" is not a good thing in the name of convenience.
[12:28] <daftykins> indeed! these modern games consoles are quite crazy for wanting to automatically start up and get updates etc, too - strange time
[12:30] <leftyfb> Bugzie: knock it off
[12:31] <daftykins> yep just keep feeding that troll
[12:32] <Bugzie> leftyfb: When you say knock it off, do you you feel proud of youself?
[12:32] <leftyfb> daftykins: the problem is, this troll is dangerous.  Kodi needs a lotta work IMO
[14:27] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[14:28] <daftykins> i don't think it's Kodi that needs work, IPTV is just something it's capable of - it's the addons
[14:28] <leftyfb> hggdh: I don't understand why you believe letting trolls run rampant and putting the onus on us to ignore them is a better solution than just removing them
[14:28] <daftykins> leftyfb: it's because they're not willing to do their jobs
[14:28] <leftyfb> hggdh: what's the point of ops if your solution is to never do anything about it?
[14:28] <daftykins> always has been the case on freenode
[14:29] <leftyfb> especially in this case where it's not only a repeat offender, but they're blatantly admitting their intentiobs
[14:39] <JimBuntu> I re-propose my idea of a special channel that when you ban/kick people... they go there... with all the other trolls. They can troll-roll each other
[14:39] <leftyfb> JimBuntu: you've said this before. It's not a thing
[14:44] <JimBuntu> leftyfb, correct, it's not... but I think it should be. I guess I should consider writing some sort of IRC server plugin
[14:44] <leftyfb> a plugin won't work
[14:44] <leftyfb> you can't force someone into a channel and stay there
[14:45] <JimBuntu> Well, whatever the proper nomenclature would be for an IRC server. I never suggested (that I can remember) that the person is forced to stay in that channel.
[14:45] <leftyfb> JimBuntu: you'd have to make all the Freenode server admins run your code
[14:46] <leftyfb> it would be much easier to just have admins/ops that do their job
[14:46] <JimBuntu> I'm not trying to make anyone do anything. That's why I said perhaps I should think about writing a solution. Then whoever wants to use it, could.
[14:46] <daftykins> hehe the #u namespace playpen
[15:46] <Squarism> Any "global" reason not upgrade to 18.04?
[15:47] <JimBuntu> If Blueskaj was on, he could give you lots of good info on what it's been like to use for the last several months
[15:48] <JimBuntu> Squarism, do you want to upgrade for a personal machine with good backups or for a commercial/production machine with excellent backups?
[15:49] <Squarism> JimBuntu, for my super-important-it-works 9-5-work laptop wo backup methods
[15:49] <Squarism> The best scenario =D
[15:52] <JimBuntu> What version are you running today... 16.04 ?
[15:54] <kostkon> Squarism, wait until 18.04.1 comes out. in the meantime start working towards adopting a viable backup strategy since you mentioned it's a 9-5 work laptop
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Squarism, production machines are usually advised to wait until the first Bionic point release is ready, most likely sometime in July
[15:56] <JimBuntu> July 26th according to the "schedule"
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:56] <JimBuntu> Sorry BluesKaj , I didn't intend that in a mean way
[15:58] <BluesKaj> It's working well for me atm, but I'm a home user Squarism so probly nowhwere near the number and kinds of apps you might need
[15:58] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, no worries :-)
[16:14] <Squarism> thanks guys. Appreciate the info.
[16:18] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, can you confirm that when in terminal, you aren't able to ALT+F to access the file menu?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> yes, confirmed JimBuntu, nothing happens
[16:24] <JimBuntu> Thanks. That seems whacky to me. I seldom use it, but I saw someone complaining and wasn't sure if it was an actual issue.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> never used that before
[16:28]  * pragmaticenigma curious what tool JimBuntu and BluesKaj are talking about (irc logs is lagging)
[16:31] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, yeah, what is that suppoded to do?
[16:34] <JimBuntu> ALT+F while in terminal should ause the "File" menu to drop-down so you see 'Open Terminal", "Open Tab", etc
[16:35] <JimBuntu> ALT+T should cause the Terminal menu to drop-down. I'm guessing none of them work
[16:36] <nacc> JimBuntu: it's also configurable
[16:36] <nacc> i turn it off because it intercepts irrsi, e.g.
[16:36] <JimBuntu> nacc, I guess it's off by default with 18.04
[16:37] <nacc> JimBuntu: yep
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> oh, terminal shortcuts... most of those are disabled for me too since applications I run (e.g. finch) also use some of the same key combos
[16:37] <nacc> JimBuntu: gnome-terminal -> preferences -> global -> general -> enable mnemonics
[16:37] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: right, that's my guess why it's disabled by default
[16:37] <nacc> probaby an upstream gnome decision, but not sure
[16:37] <JimBuntu> nacc, Thanks, I'll check that out if someone brings it up again, literally putting that in notes
[16:38] <nacc> JimBuntu: np
[16:38] <BluesKaj> nacc, I'm on KDE/Plasma, doesn't work here either
[16:38] <JimBuntu> This machine will be upgraded when 18.04.1 comes out, since it's Unity, I wonder if the setting will change.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> Unity?
[16:40] <JimBuntu> Default UI for Ubuntu desktop for a while now, idk, maybe 3-4 years
[16:40] <nacc> BluesKaj: hrm, possibly changed in all terminal emulators? dunno :)
[16:40] <nacc> BluesKaj: i assume they meant they were upgradeing from 16.04 to 18.04.1
[16:41] <JimBuntu> This machine deserves some stress, so I'll be moving it up to 16.04 first, lol.
[17:51] <nacc> fun fun fun spectre-ng
[17:53] <daftykins> how delightful
[17:59] <Bugzie> back
[18:17] <nicomachus> oh yay
[21:46] <kostkon> https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/mosaic  :)
[21:55] <oerheks> lolz @ bing.com
[21:57] <daftykins> "just bing it" :)


[00:24] <brianjaod> anyone here used fbi in a programtic way to send image to the frame buffer?  using system() in my C code, I'm trying to use it but I don't see a way to change the image in code, only through manual keyboard commands.
[01:32] <shank_> Hey
[01:33] <shank_> I'm new to Ubuntu Emulator
[01:33] <shank_> can anyone tell me, How to use devices tab?
[01:33] <shank_> I installed all the packages
[01:34] <shank_> now when I click 'start selected emulator'
[01:34] <shank_> it's taking ages
[01:34] <shank_> but not starting
[01:34] <shank_> please help me
[01:34] <sarnold> I understand the emulator is slow; how long have you waited?
[01:34] <shank_> 2-3 min
[01:34] <shank_> then I restarted the machine
[01:35] <shank_> and again I started the emulator
[01:35] <shank_> right now it's in progress
[01:36] <shank_> now I'm getting
[01:36] <shank_> Detecting device.. * there is no device connected.
[01:36] <shank_> error
[01:36] <shank_> Do I need to connect any device?
[01:37] <sarnold> shank_: yeah, wait fifteen or thirty minutes. I heard it's -slow- :)
[01:38] <shank_> Ok I'll wait
[01:39] <shank_> thanks Sarnold
[01:40] <shank_> is anyone working on Ubuntu phone app development?
[12:07] <daker> popey: just noticed that when you create a webapp project only two files are created app.desktop & app.json, no manifest.json


[02:20] <Auctus> are there any other channels on freenode for accessibility or disabled users? I wonder where I can ask about a typing program I am having trouble googling
[02:20] <Auctus> i remember one you could use with the mouse, where the letters are on the right and it forms a sort of tree, i think it was scrolling right to left, so you select letters sort of by drilldown


[06:40] <apb> +
[07:56] <jubo2> Re the audio gone missing problem.. I booted from a Kubuntu stick and there the audio works
[07:56] <jubo2> it'd be a real bummer if I have to reinstall this system to regain audio
[08:03] <lordievader> jubo2: What did you try to troubleshoot?
[08:11] <jubo2> Problem is no audio: I didn't touch a single setting before the audio dropped out
[08:12] <jubo2> I've checked that Alsamixer setting look good and naturally the System Settings for audio
[08:27] <lordievader[m]> Does aplay work?
[08:31] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: I don't have any file to play on aplay
[08:31] <jubo2> In the System Settings the "test" left/right speaker buttons don't produce sound
[08:32] <lordievader[m]> Sure you do, /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[08:32] <lordievader[m]> In other words, does 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' produce any sound?
[08:32] <jubo2> nope
[08:34] <lordievader[m]> Okay, what is the output of 'aplay -l'?
[08:36] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: https://apaste.info/E14t
[08:38] <lordievader[m]> Okay that looks good, what is the output of 'aplay -L'?
[08:38] <jubo2> another thing that is probably releveant to mention here is that no youtubes will play. I mean that the video never starts to play. This condition appeared same time
[08:38] <lordievader[m]> (I do need to go in a bit)
[08:39] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: https://apaste.info/sJgS
[08:40] <lordievader[m]> Do you hear something when running: aplay --device plughw:CARD=PCH,DEV=0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[08:40] <lordievader[m]> ?
[08:41] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: aplay: main:788: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[08:42] <lordievader[m]> Interesting, and aplay --device pulse /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav ?
[08:43] <lordievader[m]> Need to go, be back in a couple of hours.
[08:43] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: I hear nothing
[08:43] <jubo2> ok thanks for help lordievader[m]
[08:46] <lordievader[m]> Try and first get things working under alsa.
[10:13] <deemo> hello, anyone here? how do you get wayland gnome for Ubuntu?
 #ubuntu channel
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:07] <daniel___> america is the best I am english but I would like to be american
[11:40] <lordievader[m]> jubo2: Any progress?
[13:16] <Canon> I am wondering whatte best way to send myself a email after a script is finished
[13:23] <jubo2> lordievader: nope.
[13:24] <lordievader[m]> jubo2: Do you expect the audio to go over HDMI?
[13:24] <jubo2> No. I'm trying to get it come out the speakers or the headphones
[13:32] <BluesKaj> jubo2,  could you post a screenshot of your alsamixer
[13:36] <lordievader[m]> jubo2: Okay, could you try each non HDMI output from 'aplay -L'?
[13:36] <lordievader[m]> See if one does work.
[14:43] <foxly> I'm having a weird issue (for me anyway) a new install of 17.04 on my laptop and the ethernet is connected but cannot reach external addresses. I can log into the router, and file share internal network- but everything else shows no connection. Any ideas? (internet does work with other machines on same router and I've restarted)
[14:47] <genii> Sounds like bug 1682499
[14:53] <foxly> awesome thanks so much!
[14:53] <genii> foxly: Did you manage to resolve it now?
[14:54] <foxly> Not yet, I'm looking at the bug report and googling not super knowledgable
[14:56] <foxly> i think I see the fix at the bottom of that report, trying that now
[14:57] <foxly> sure enough, that fixed it! Thanks alot
[15:00] <genii> foxly: Glad to assist
[15:02] <BluesKaj> good call genii :-)
[15:07] <genii> BluesKaj: I had the same issue myself last week :)
[15:10] <BluesKaj> yeah , same here, i just solved it by including  allusers oinstead of just me , but that was ay least a month ago
[15:10] <BluesKaj> wifi on the laptop
[15:25] <foxly> wow, I've been using 16lts for awhile and 17 seems like there's been some pretty massive changes, I'm really liking some of the new design changes
[15:27] <foxly> I already liked plasma over other uis, but this is great
[15:34] <user|39768> Hello, I'm thinking of switching from "regular" ubuntu to kubuntu, and I was wondering: does it also offer the option to encrypt the hard drive on install?
[15:35] <foxly> yep!
[15:35] <user|39768> Thank you!
[15:36] <foxly> you have the same options during the install, encrypt the entire disk or just home folder
[15:36] <user|39768> Great to hear that, I travel a lot with my laptop, so this is important for me
[15:52] <viewer|75493> Hi, can somebody tell me what to do? When I try installing kubuntu 17.04 it freezeing on logo
[16:23] <Toxtlo> Hi, I'm trying to install Kubuntu 17.04 with a manual installation, but I get frequent "Installer Crashed" message, when manually partitioning to setup a crypto root and home folder. Currently testing it first on a virtual machine, Skylake system, which I want to use later for real(?) (sry for my english). The error messages varry, when I click to check "Format?" it says something else than choosing an encrypted volume etc...
[16:50] <Toxtlo> can nobody help me? :-(
[16:50] <vaody> Hola!
[16:52] <Toxtlo> hiho
[17:06] <jubo2> lordievader: Trying the other devices with aplay it complains that the device or resource is busy
[17:06] <lordievader[m]> And nothing produces any sound?
[17:06] <jubo2> lordievader and BluesKaj: I think a key information is that all the video decodecs stopped working at the same time as the audio nipped out
[17:07] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: zero sound. When I boot from LiveCD stick the sound works just fine. and I didn't mess around with the sound settings when the sound stopped working
[17:09] <lordievader[m]> jubo2: Corellation does not imply causality.
[17:09] <lordievader[m]> jubo2: I'd check what device the livecd is using.
[17:10] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: how do I do that?
[17:10] <lordievader[m]> Knowing that gives you a clue in what direction you need to go.
[17:11] <lordievader[m]> Boot the live-cd, chat what it uses as the default audio device.
[17:12] <jubo2> lordievader[m]: So I look in..? System Settings?
[17:12] <lordievader[m]> No the aplay -L output, it lists a default device.
[17:13] <jubo2> ok
[17:13] <lordievader[m]> Try the others too, though, so you know which work and which dont.
[17:19] <jubo2> lordievader: The list that aplay -L prints looks just the same here as in the system with broken audio
[17:19] <jubo2> aplay -l too
[17:22] <jubo2> I boot back to the system with the broken audio
[17:23] <lordievader[m]> But which one works?
[17:31] <andrea_> salve a tutti
[17:36] <andrea_> ma nessuno scrive?
[17:37] <lordievader[m]> !it | andrea_
[18:05] <Toxtlo> now I inserted kubuntu 16.10 installer and it redirects me to tty1 login and does not respond... >.< I simply cant get it running, whats wrong with kubuntu, I really like KDE! I want it.. but this is a pain...
[18:10] <jviramontes> Hi every one!
[18:10] <jviramontes> Please some one help me!
[18:11] <jviramontes> I want to create a hotspot!
[18:16] <lordievader[m]> Do you have two interfaces?
[18:19] <jviramontes> Yes
[18:19] <jviramontes> ethernet and Wifi
[18:21] <jviramontes> I tried using shared wifi but can't connect
[18:22] <lordievader[m]> Look into hostapd
[18:25] <jviramontes> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/A9u8mDPgQ3eLtr3JtGXJ?signature=5b1bcbb6390520b1e89f2c02a5409a839c28d879fbee4372d5fe0aefd263bc15&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0OTUwNDgyOTd9
[18:32] <EvilRoey> hihi
[18:32] <EvilRoey> in hexchat, how do I get ctrl-u to cut from the cursor to the beginning of the line, and ctrl-k to cut from the cursor to the end of the line?  And also, why is it that across two installations of hexchat (work computer and home computer), I have it configured to the same font (bitstream vera sans mono 15) but when it renders Hebrew, one of the installations uses this very thin and harder to read font?
[18:32] <EvilRoey> oh hi lordievader[m]
[18:33] <IrcsomeBot1> CicliTrekk was removed by: CicliTrekk
[18:35] <lordievader[m]> jviramontes: Don't think Network Manger even supports mastermode related stuff.
[18:35] <lordievader[m]> Adhoc perhaps...
[18:37] <bartosz_> how to start Kubuntu GUI after being in console mode? I used 'startx' command, but it opened another desktop, not Kubuntu, when I tried 'startkde' command it showed me a message about display. I generally have problem to come back to GUI mode after console mode. To activate the console one I need CTRL+F4 and I cannot find the one to go back to GUI. I use Lenovo B50-30
[18:42] <BluesKaj> bartosz_, F7
[18:48] <BluesKaj> bartosz_, ctl+alt+F7 in other words
[20:33] <bartosz_> Hi again, please do not answer on my question which above is as I will quit the session soon:)
[20:34] <bartosz_> I will try tomorrow.
[20:43] <Toxtlo> Hey again: Still cant get the manual crypt installation to work right with the 17.04 installer. :-| still various different assert messages. Anybody experienced the same?
[21:12] <foxly> @Toxtlo I did, but it was just for the encrpyt home folder not the drive. I don't have a fix though, I ended up just doing the guided use entire disk and encrpyt option and it worked
[21:15] <Toxtlo> ok, I tried that too, but this crashes right before finishing the setup with another message...
[21:16] <Toxtlo> will this setup a sep. home folder ?
[21:16] <Toxtlo> or just one root and one swap?
[21:17] <foxly> that method will setup a swap drive and install drive, you'll still have your seperate home folders, it just won't be on it's own virtual disk
[21:18] <Toxtlo> yeah, thats what i mean.. mhh
[21:18] <Toxtlo> can I specify the swap size?
[21:19] <foxly> Maybe... I don't remember honestly, because when I was clicking through the swap size was 4gigs and that's what I wanted so I clicked ok
[21:19] <Toxtlo> mhh, guess I have no choice but to go back to ubuntu and just install kubuntu-desktop package...
[21:29] <physios> Hi
[21:31] <foxly> heyo
[21:31] <physios> I need help figuring out why my kubuntu is unstable, high IO activity from jbd2 causes small but consistent system hangs
[21:32] <physios> @foxly hi how's it going


[08:11] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> can we know which vpn is causing this problem?
[08:39] <guiverc> JuhayerAlWasif[m, Guest75 left about 8 mins after question
[10:31] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> if I want to install an android app,for example Clash of clans,what are the steps to do?
[10:32] <tomreyn> JuhayerAlWasif[m: you install android on compatible hardware or in a virtualization, then install said application.
[10:32] <tomreyn> so far, that's not related to lubuntu
[10:33] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> https://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/how-to-install-clash-of-clans-on-linux.1272668/
[10:34] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> please check this page,they are saying that I can play the game through Genymotion
[10:37] <tomreyn> right, that's a virtualization software you can install on lubuntu
[10:37] <tomreyn> qemu is another
[10:38] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> may I know?which one is easy to use?
[10:38] <tomreyn> and then there's android studio / android emulator from google
[10:39] <tomreyn> i can't make a recommendation there
[10:41] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> okay so can you help me to install genymotion
[10:42] <tomreyn> no, sorry, never did it
[10:42] <tomreyn> but you will surely find instructions on the company's website.
[10:43] <tomreyn> If you have general questions about Lubuntu and software available from its repositories, I may be able to help.
[10:44] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> <JuhayerAlWasif[m "https://www.se7ensins.com/forums">  these instructions are not working,the files cannot be downloaded from here
[10:45] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> <tomreyn "If you have general questions ab"> how can I get emoji picker/pannel in a textbox
[10:49] <tomreyn> JuhayerAlWasif[m: in which application?
[10:50] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> for example fartherpad or in a notepade like onenote
[10:52] <tomreyn> hmm, sorry, i don't know these softwares, are they from lubuntu repositories?
[10:52] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> sorry its featherpad*
[10:52] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> dont know but featherpad was preinstalled in my lubuntu
[10:53] <tomreyn> yes, featherpad exists in *ubuntu, from the universe repository. i do not know it, though, sorry.
[10:54] <tomreyn> if they just accept UTF-8 input, you could just copy nad paste utf-8 emojis from any of those web sites listing them
[10:55] <tomreyn> such as https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html
[10:55] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> in windows,is we tap windows key+ full stop(.),then a emoji panel will anywhere I am writing,so is there any options like this in lubuntu
[10:56] <JuhayerAlWasif[m> if we tap*
[10:58] <tomreyn> not that i know of, but i don't know really know much about lxqt


[09:27] <lotuspsychje> morning dax, your new op here, didnt see you around before?
[09:27] <dax> <-- rww
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> ohhh
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> dax: is that due to council recently?
[09:28] <dax> i seem to switch back and forth between the two nicks every few years :\
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[10:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks


[11:16] <hajour> hai erkan:)
[11:20] <erkan^> hey hajour
[11:21] <hajour> i already thought i know your name erkan^ :)
[11:24] <erkan^> cool that you don't forget my name :p
[11:25] <erkan^> are you first time here, hajour ?
[11:26] <hajour> no i already are here longer
[11:26] <hajour> hehe
[11:27] <erkan^> ow i didn 't see that you are here first
[11:27] <hajour> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/accesibility
[11:28] <hajour> this team was the reason i came on ubuntu
[11:28] <hajour> on 30 nov 2010
[11:29] <hajour> well  i was a couple of days not here on chat
[11:29] <erkan^> I go see
[11:29] <hajour> had some problems with my eeepc
[11:29] <erkan^> I am curious for this URL
[11:29] <erkan^> for = about
[11:29] <hajour> hehe ok
[11:30] <erkan^> eeepc ? what is that?
[11:30] <hajour> little laptop/notebook
[11:30] <hajour> 10 inch screen
[11:30] <hajour> 1gb
[11:31] <erkan^> that is netbook (-:
[11:31] <erkan^> i have read your profile
[11:31] <erkan^> can you sign languag e?
[11:31] <hajour> ye well its a need solution :( my old pc is dead
[11:32] <hajour> no it was a advice after research
[11:32] <hajour> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour
[11:32] <hajour> this is me
[11:32] <erkan^> OW OK
[11:33] <erkan^> oeps
[11:33] <erkan^> sorry for caps
[11:33] <erkan^> i go read
[11:33] <hajour> hehe np
[11:39] <erkan^> have you one eye blind?
[11:41] <erkan^> your have a good profile i see hajour
[11:42] <hajour> yes i am blind on 1 eye
[11:42] <hajour> and other is also not very good
[11:42] <erkan^> have you four children when i understand good?
[11:42] <hajour> yes
[11:42] <hajour> and thank you:)
[11:43] <erkan^> i am deaf and impaired
[11:44] <erkan^> you're weclome
[11:44] <hajour> wauw how you work on the pc?
[11:44] <erkan^> do you know about "Retinitis Pigmentosa (or Syndrome Usher)? I can work normal on the pc
[11:45] <hajour> i have thinking on a alfabet that works on sound vibration
[11:45] <hajour> no i never heard from
[11:46] <hajour> i know because i have a friend wo is deaf
[11:46] <hajour> that people who cant hear
[11:46] <erkan^> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndroom_van_Usher
[11:46] <hajour> they can feel sound
[11:47] <erkan^> yes i can feel sound too
[11:49] <hajour> so i thought on a serial tones from sounds what have different vibration for to use for a vibration alfabet
[11:49] <hajour> send true a kind of headset
[11:50] <erkan^> ok, but I don't know very much about sounds
[11:51] <hajour> well i know someone who knows from sounds
[11:52] <hajour> but for to make it only someone who i deaf can test and help to make something like that
[12:15] <erkan^> brrrr i don't like loverboy, hajour :S
[12:18] <hajour> same here
[12:18] <hajour> if i notice he is 1 he will know who i am
[12:19] <erkan^> ow
[12:19] <hajour> enough say in here
[12:20] <hajour> i sure know ubuntu thinks also about such people
[12:21] <erkan^> nobody is safe )-:
[12:22] <hajour> we got ubuntu
[12:23] <hajour> dont worry erkan^  i keep a eye on that guy from no on
[12:24] <hajour> if you want you may open a pm with me and then ping me when you dont feel safe.then i come right away
[12:28] <hajour> erkan^, ^^
[12:29] <erkan^> i was picked a coffee
[12:29] <hajour> :)
[22:33] <bryan886> hello?
[22:34] <bryan886> i have a question if anyones up for it?
[22:35] <charlie-tca> !ask
[22:35] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[22:36] <bryan886> yeah it just seemed quiet, anyways i was wondering if there's a way to turn off the language bar(?) it's a floating little toolbar with a keyboard symbol and displays the input method being used
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I have not seen it
[22:39] <charlie-tca> There is no Quit in the corner
[22:40] <bryan886> i think it's because i have japanese installed as an input method
[22:41] <charlie-tca> I don't get that with korean and english
[22:41] <charlie-tca> what application is open?
[22:41] <bryan886> no quit it looks like a floating toolbar like in windows with a handle to drag it around the options if you right click on the icon are the two input methods and turn off input method
[22:41] <bryan886> right now i have irc, firefox on thats it
[22:42] <charlie-tca> So, maybe it one of those creating it, and when you close the application, it will go away, too
[22:42] <bryan886> ok cool i just got it.
[22:42] <bryan886> its part of iBus
[22:43] <bryan886> and called language panel
[22:44] <bryan886> kinda answered my own question but for future reference i guess. thanks guys
[22:45] <charlie-tca> You are welcome