[00:00] <EDocToor> sarnold, so the gateway is supose to be the same on all machines
[00:00] <Slyboots> EDocToor, Is your gateway your router to the internet? (ADSL?)
[00:00] <sarnold> Slyboots: 11 days seems like a looong time to just read a few terabytes and compute some parity bits. something sure seems off there. (Note that I've not actually tried this myself, but .. it ought to only take a few hours to read a terabyte of data, right?)
[00:01] <Slyboots> sarnold, Well.. raid rebuilds take a while but that does seem pretty slow.  something else is a bit borked..  I was going to go with ZFS but thats a bitch to get going
[00:01] <EDocToor> yes, I have a DSL router that three computer are attached to...
[00:01] <Slyboots> And its IP address is?
[00:04] <EDocToor> Slyboots, I don't know how to figure that out
[00:04] <sarnold> EDocToor: what address do you type into the address bar of your browser to configure your router?
[00:04] <EDocToor> on windows the IPv$ is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:04] <EDocToor> IPv4
[00:04] <Slyboots> Oh dear.   I am crossing my fingers
[00:06] <sarnold> and change your address to <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:06] <EDocToor> brb
[00:06] <sarnold> or <IP_ADDRESS>. either way, make sure the .1. is in there. :)
[00:06] <Slyboots> sarnold, I honestly think he might be better off setting it to DHCP
[00:06] <sarnold> Slyboots: there are definite advantages there.. :)
[00:07] <Slyboots> He'll still have to setup nameservers and resolv.conf manually
[00:07] <Slyboots> But I suppose everyone has to learn somehow
[00:07] <sarnold> Slyboots: but getting this right is very useful to understanding IPv4 networking, so it's a useful exercise
[00:07] <sarnold> exactly
[00:08] <EDocToor> thanks... and static is required .. I wish.. all this was in the background too...
[00:08] <EDocToor> but it is not
[00:08] <sarnold> I spent absolute _hours_ typing ifconfig and route commands until getting the exact right commands to add to my startup files, back in the days (and distros) before setting them up was just one configuration file....
[00:08] <sarnold> but those hours were how I learned the basics well enough to debug a lot of network problems.
[00:08] <Slyboots> EDocToor, Once you've done that.  Try "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" and see if you get a result.
[00:09] <Slyboots> I enjoy networking, do it "professionally" for what thats worth heh
[00:09] <Slyboots> (very little these days it seems)
[00:13] <EDocToor> Slyboots, the ping <IP_ADDRESS> goes on and I ctrl z to stop it.. is that normal?
[00:13] <EDocToor> and thanks.
[00:13] <Slyboots> yes.
[00:13] <Slyboots> try ping google.com next :P
[00:13] <sarnold> EDocToor: use ^C instead
[00:13] <EDocToor> I am not afraid of reading a URL... but I don't know what URL applies to what I am doing
[00:14] <sarnold> EDocToor: ^Z suspends the command instead of killing it.
[00:14] <EDocToor> how to kill command
[00:14] <EDocToor> how do I kill a command in process
[00:14] <Will> ctrl c ?
[00:15] <EDocToor> Thanks Will...bbbbbbbuddy
[00:15] <EDocToor> ping google.com also goes forever
[00:16] <Slyboots> Whats it actually saying :P
[00:17] <Slyboots> (as long as its not saying something like result timed out, or unknown host)
[00:17] <EDocToor> works exactly like ms dos ping but never stops
[00:17] <sarnold> or no route to host...
[00:17] <sarnold> it will never stop
[00:17] <EDocToor> looks good
[00:17] <Slyboots> TTL expired in transit
[00:17] <sarnold> it runs until you kill it with ^C :)
[00:17] <Slyboots> Thats always a scary one :P
[00:17] <sarnold> o_O
[00:17] <sarnold> Slyboots: oh, I thought EDocToor said that. hehe.
[00:17] <Slyboots> haha
[00:17] <sarnold> Slyboots: yeah, if TTL expires on you, you've got work ahead of you :) hehehe
[00:17] <Slyboots> EDocToor, sounds like your good then.
[00:17] <sarnold> I'm just glad it wasn't EDocToor, fixing routing loops over irc souds unfun.
[00:17] <Slyboots> sarnold, we sometimes get that if a VPN link goes down, its normally a "Oh F*$%!"
[00:18] <EDocToor> Why.. can I just give you my IP for the server... and you do it.. LOL
[00:18] <EDocToor> ha ha
[00:18] <Slyboots> Anyway, Im off
[00:18] <Slyboots> later
[00:18] <EDocToor> I am going to test with apt-get upgrade
[00:19] <EDocToor> Tanks Slyboots
[00:19] <Will> finally! webim panel web server created :D
[00:20] <Will> webmin*
[00:20] <EDocToor> Awesome Will
[00:20] <Will> http://pastebin.com/Jw8GB404
[00:21] <EDocToor> and Slyboots and sarnold helped me with my /etc/network/interfaces configuration successfully
[00:21] <Will> nice]
[00:21] <Will> what you using your server for?
[00:22] <EDocToor> I guess I'll be here for a week as they mentioned that I also have to <Slyboots> He'll still have to setup nameservers and resolv.conf manually
[00:22] <sarnold> EDocToor: if you can ping www.google.com, you're probably all good to go.
[00:23] <EDocToor> the apt-get upgrade IS WORKING.. thank you
[00:26] <EDocToor> Will ... I want to try an opensource package called "ofbiz" for a online store that also runs a POS point of sale cash register in a real store.. and therefore my very first time running/ruining a server
[00:27] <EDocToor> I am disabled ... so I have lots of time to learn
[00:27] <Will> interesting, i only ask as i am curious what to do with my new server now
[00:28] <Will> just wanted to make sure i could do it :)
[00:29] <EDocToor> I am not so sure that I can... but... I am giving it a try
[00:29] <EDocToor> do a web server first.. I guess
[00:38] <Will> shorewall the going firewall for protecting my previous new made server via virtualbox? :)
[00:38] <sarnold> Will: ufw is probably easier to learn.
[00:40] <Will> they not straight forward then?
[00:42] <sarnold> Will: ufw is simpler; shorewall is intended for configuring just about any firewall setup, ufw is intended to make common configurations very easy. check out https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/firewall.html  and see if it meets your needs..
[00:44] <EDocToor> I bookmarked that... as I am sure I am going to want to read it after I edit my hosts file
[00:45] <EDocToor> and I have learned to # cp /etc/everyfile /etc/everyfile.org before I make a change... the hard way.. hee hee
[00:46] <Will> lol
[00:49] <EDocToor> how do I test my /etc/hosts file is correct? I put in it <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain  localhost ...... then <IP_ADDRESS> edoc.icyourrc.com   edoc... I hope that sounds close
[00:49] <Will> you mean view it?
[00:50] <EDocToor> I already edited it... with the above information
[00:50] <EDocToor> the FQDN gave me a headache
[00:52] <EDocToor> Will you taught me Ctrl+C kills and Ctrl+Z suspends
[00:53] <Will> sarnold: thanks, had a read through and i don't think im going to bother with a firewall at all for the time being, i don't want to start restricting ports manually and such until i know more about what i need to protect i guess, for time being i will just test/play around with the concept and idea of what i actually want this server to do
[00:53] <Will> EDocToor, glad i could help :)
[00:55] <EDocToor> Will... Since there is not actual data to protect.. on my new box.. I am thinking that I will delay the firewall for now.. as well
[00:55] <EDocToor> I did bookmark/favorite it for later...
[01:00] <Will> Is there a reason why nano isn't working on via a putty ssh? vim works but to be fair i did install this, do i need to install nano or is that pre installed?
[01:00] <Will> i prefer to edit files with nano thats all ^^
[01:00] <EDocToor> try apt-get install nano
[01:01] <EDocToor> and see .. and tell me what you learned
[01:01] <EDocToor> as I am discovering all this too
[01:01] <Will> lovely :)
[01:01] <Will> its downloaded and installed the nano editor
[01:01] <Will> now i can do nano filename
[01:01] <EDocToor> awesome
[01:02] <Will> easier to use than vim, although i can use both, vim editor just makes me think too much
[01:02] <EDocToor> Will my Channel if you want to add is #diycnc
[01:02] <EDocToor> I am always there
[01:02] <EDocToor> I build my diy cnc on the sunny days so I can drill outside.. and server on the cold or rainy days
[01:03] <EDocToor> I use joe as my editor
[01:03] <Will> cnc?
[01:03] <EDocToor> try Youtube CNC Machine
[01:04] <EDocToor> I have a spare bedroom that has a very big CNC living there
[01:04] <EDocToor> that I made myself from scatch with AL
[01:04] <EDocToor> it is seven foot x 4 foot
[01:04] <Will> nice
[01:05] <EDocToor> thanks
[01:05] <Will> you setup your apache2 bits yet?
[01:05] <EDocToor> to join type /join #diycnc
[01:05] <EDocToor> not yet..
[01:06] <Will> what is it needed, apache2, phpmyadmin, anything else?
[01:06] <Will> oh, mysql
[01:06] <EDocToor> this is my favorite
[01:07] <EDocToor> apt-get install joe gedit build-essential dctrl-tools unzip subversion libapache2-svn vim-nox
[01:07] <EDocToor> oops
[01:07] <EDocToor> apt-get install joe gedit build-essential dctrl-tools unzip vim-nox
[01:07] <EDocToor> the build-essential I mean't
[01:08] <Will> without installingit can i view it?
[01:09] <EDocToor> There essentials... so it is a group of stuff that you will end up installing anyway.. one at a time
[01:10] <EDocToor> when you get the build-essential it gets a bunch of stuff that I am not sure of ..
[01:10] <EDocToor> I have been installing it since debian
[01:11] <EDocToor> since I was a kid
[01:13] <Will> done :)
[01:20] <EDocToor> Will configured the /etc/hostname  ....
[01:20] <EDocToor> now my back and my head hurts.. but mmust go on..
[01:21] <EDocToor> ha ha
[01:22] <EDocToor> Will apt-get remove to remove build-essential
[01:22] <EDocToor> apt-get remove build-essential
[01:24] <EDocToor> Will... (pressing (Ctrl+Alt+del) works.. shutdown -P now works and so does # reboot
[01:25] <EDocToor> I guess rebooted and after where it says edoc login: is says
[01:26] <EDocToor> [  9.032455] [drm] nouveau  .... misalined reg 0x ..... [drm] nouveal ... misaligned reg 0x0060081D [01:26] <EDocToor> I think I broke my server... AGAIN LOL
[01:27] <EDocToor> Pressed enter.. and the edoc login appeared
[01:27] <Will> hmmm i have no idea what that is im afraid
[01:27] <Will> i need to get some shut up, 2.30am im tired, getting on! goodnight all
[01:27] <EDocToor> see ya later
[01:28] <EDocToor> Will do you know how to see the page that zooms by pre Logon:
[01:28] <EDocToor> to see what the warnings are
[01:28] <Will> i dont sorry
[01:28] <Will> night :)
[01:28] <EDocToor> ok
[02:21] <hi_351> i been to like 100 rooma and they say their not ofr support is thi room for supprt i new user of UBUNTU
[02:23] <EDocToor> try /join #ubuntu
[02:23] <EDocToor> for ubuntu
[02:23] <EDocToor> this is for ubuntu server
[02:23] <hi_351> what this room for
[02:24] <EDocToor> new users of ubuntu server.. a server is generally command line
[02:24] <EDocToor> and ubuntu has windows like windows
[02:24] <hi_351> this is a commad libne question
[02:25] <hi_351> in a way i guess
[02:25] <EDocToor> then you might ask it here... but try your best to use fully words.. or you might get half a responce
[02:25] <EDocToor> response
[02:27] <hi_351> is update ubuntu better off getting from APT -GET SYNAPTIC INSTALL or just getting updates from software and updates and software updater in side ubunut
[02:32] <hi_351> let me rephrase that what dose APT - GET SYNAPTIC INSTALL do
[02:39] <EDocToor> ok
[02:39] <EDocToor> I am back
[02:40] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[02:40] <EDocToor> installs a tools for downloading and searching for downloads
[02:41] <EDocToor> I am using your speellling of it.. as I don't know the exact spelling of it
[02:41] <EDocToor> I am a new Ubuntu user as well
[02:42] <EDocToor> but if I can help I'll try.. if I fail... someone else will join the conversation
[02:42] <EDocToor> hi_668, did you miss my response
[02:43] <EDocToor> EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptic
 installs a tools for downloading and searching for downloads
[02:44] <hi_668> what dose APT - GET SYNAPTICS command do
[02:44] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptics
[02:45] <EDocToor> installs synaptics
[02:45] <EDocToor> apt-get has no space
[02:46] <EDocToor> and the apt-get needs a OPTION like "install" "remove"
[02:46] <EDocToor> and synaptics is a package
[02:46] <EDocToor> to use it..
[02:46] <EDocToor> you would type
[02:46] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptics
[02:47] <hi_668> somone told me this will install my updates in ubuntu but in lite foemat
[02:47] <hi_668> format
[02:47] <EDocToor> hi_668, it does exactly like the apt-get does but like windows
[02:48] <EDocToor> and apt-get is a command line downloader
[02:48] <EDocToor> and synaptics is a GUI or Window downloader
[02:48] <EDocToor> both have a update option
[02:49] <EDocToor> am I make any sense to you?
[02:49] <hi_668> is it any different than me just lick on the ubuntu looking icon above the trash can
[02:49] <hi_668> on far left of the desktop i new to ubuntu
[02:49] <EDocToor> It is safe...
[02:49] <EDocToor> why don't you try it
[02:50] <EDocToor> open a terminal
[02:50] <hi_668> i know it safe
[02:50] <EDocToor> and type apt-get install synaptics
[02:50] <hi_668> but it like compressed verision of updates
[02:51] <EDocToor> I am on a server.. and I can't do it as it doesn't apply to command lines computers
[02:51] <EDocToor> There the same thing.. just two different ways of getting and updateing software
[02:52] <EDocToor> you can also update by
[02:52] <EDocToor> typing
[02:52] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get update
[02:52] <EDocToor> then
[02:52] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:52] <shodan45> what's the right way to start/stop services at boot in ubuntu?
[02:53] <EDocToor> EXample : update-rc.d -f spamassassin remove
[02:53] <hi_668> someone said it save a lot more sapce doning it that way then me doning it from clicking on the udates ico inside
[02:54] <hi_668> ubuntu
[02:54] <EDocToor> hi_668, I don't know that much.. so I can not debate or answer that one
[02:54] <EDocToor> it is my first day on a server
[02:55] <EDocToor> but I have been using linux off and on for many years
[02:55] <hi_668> he the synaptic updates take up less space
[02:55] <EDocToor> I don't know.. how that could be true.. but I can not confirm nor deny it
[02:56] <EDocToor> if space is an issue.. consider pressing F6 when installing and
[02:58] <hi_668> it says th package is not available
[02:59] <EDocToor> if you had synaptic 's installed you wouldn't have an issue as it spells it for you
[02:59] <EDocToor> when you search.. it finds
[02:59] <hi_668> it says it missing or obsolate
[02:59] <EDocToor> it might be...
[03:01] <EDocToor> hi_668, why don't you try the #ubuntu channel and ask for "What is the current package manager; and the apt-get method of downloading it?"
[03:01] <hi_668> aomone just told tpyr that in it will update uubuntu itself but it would take less space  of you do the updates thugh ubuntu it take up more space
[03:02] <hi_668> i use 13,93 verision
[03:02] <hi_668> 12.04 ubuntu
[03:02] <hi_668> 13.04 sorry
[03:03] <EDocToor> hi_668, I am lost.. what is your question again?
[03:03] <EDocToor> How to do updates is
[03:03] <EDocToor> apt-get updates
[03:03] <hi_668> i useing this as example
[03:04] <hi_668> thier a utorrent and their a u torrent lite
[03:04] <EDocToor> hi_668, if space is an issue.. use apt-get
[03:05] <EDocToor> is that your question
[03:05] <hi_668> synaptics  was supose to work as a lite lite mean less sapce
[03:05] <hi_668> i dont know im new to ubuntu
[03:05] <hi_668> lite mean taling less space in your hard drive
[03:05] <EDocToor> I don't know.. what to say but that person that you were talking to must know more than I
[03:07] <hi_668> ok whok i dont i lost too lol
[03:07] <EDocToor> I would help you,, but I just don't know.. I do understand .. but I don't understand why space is an issue
[03:07] <hi_668> i like this better than windows os itself
[03:07] <hi_668> it going to be some getting ust to i guess
[03:08] <EDocToor> if space is an issue UBUNTU has a MINI install .;;; Press during install and press F6 then choose mini
[03:08] <EDocToor> but it is way more complicated and you should find a web tutorial to expain the steps
[03:08] <hi_668> he said it you save you sapce
[03:09] <wo0f> hi_668: all Debian based distros use .deb
[03:09] <EDocToor> I get frustrated and put Ubuntu on the shelf every year.. as installing a package sometimes require tech knowledge
[03:09] <EDocToor> and i give up
[03:09] <hi_668> lol
[03:09] <wo0f> and apt-get is a core too for accessing the distro's repository of .debs
[03:10] <wo0f> dpkg installs the .debs
[03:10] <hi_668> it so better graphic are better than windows
[03:10] <wo0f> its the same
[03:10] <EDocToor> thanks for stepping in wo0f
[03:11] <wo0f> synaptic just uses apt-get underneath
[03:11] <wo0f> if youre looking for a cli tool, i use aptitude
[03:11] <wo0f> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[03:12] <EDocToor> wo0f, what does cli tool mean?
[03:12] <wo0f> command line interface
[03:12] <EDocToor> ok
[03:15] <hi_668> he said thie was a differnt way to install updates for ubuntu
[03:16] <hi_668> by puting in that synaptic command
[03:17] <EDocToor> hi_668, yes three ways: synaptics which is a front-end for apt-get... apt-get or aptitude which is a command line interface
[03:18] <EDocToor> I think he is asking the correct method of installing synaptic using the apt-get install... so I am guessing that synaptic is spelled differently; is this correct
[03:18] <wo0f> aptitude is a tool that runs at the CLI ;P
[03:18] <hi_668> like if the update in ubunut is a lot bigger and take up more sapce and the command will save you space like the dollar menu at mcdonalds
[03:18] <hi_668> lol
[03:19] <wo0f> its also a frontend for apt-get
[03:19] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptics
[03:19] <wo0f> hi_668: if you have a desktop GUI installed (like Unity) its not going to save any space
[03:20] <EDocToor> hi_668, how you obtain the download/software doen't change its size
[03:20] <wo0f> its doing the exact same thing, which ever way you update
[03:20] <hi_668> the verision i have 13.04
[03:20] <hi_668> 12.04 better than 13.04 ubuntu
[03:21] <wo0f> lol
[03:21] <wo0f> 12.04.2 is the LTS release
[03:21] <hi_668> o new i used ubumtu for like 3 days
[03:21] <EDocToor> so 12.04.2 is more stable
[03:21] <EDocToor> not uBUMtu
[03:21] <wo0f> ya, its supported for longer
[03:22] <wo0f> LOL ubumtu
[03:22] <EDocToor> too funny
[03:22] <hi_668> yo could give me a virus command and say type it in i would be stupid enoughf to put it in and gibe my self a virus
[03:22] <hi_668> lol
[03:22] <EDocToor> hi_668, you want 12.04.2 or the LTS ... that is for sure
[03:23] <hi_668> not the 13.04
[03:23] <wo0f> hi_668: if youre looking for something for light-weight, disk wise, you might want to try Xubuntu
[03:23] <hi_668> what the difference between the 12 and the 13
[03:23] <wo0f> which uses Xfce
[03:24] <wo0f> 12 is the Long Term Support release
[03:24] <EDocToor> Thirteen is on digit higher ... just kidding.. I am getting tired sorry
[03:24] <hi_668> i have like a ten year old dell
[03:24] <hi_668> insperion
[03:24] <hi_668> 9400
[03:24] <hi_668> made 2 months b4 vist came out
[03:24] <wo0f> what specs does that have?
[03:24] <EDocToor> that is old.. is it a laptop
[03:25] <hi_668> yes
[03:25] <EDocToor> then put back | track
[03:25] <EDocToor> on it
[03:25] <hi_668> what that
[03:25] <EDocToor> cop software for spying
[03:26] <hi_668> like i said you could give a command that would give me a virus and i be dumb seoughf to type it in
[03:26] <EDocToor> then stay away from the backtrack channel or website.. that is what they did to me
[03:27] <EDocToor> so don't feel bad
[03:27] <hi_668> im talking about you
[03:27] <EDocToor> I wouldn't do anything to harm anyone.. I am only here for good reasons
[03:28] <hi_668> tell me to put this command in and i would not know it would be a virus
[03:28] <EDocToor> as are the Ubuntu tribe
[03:28] <hi_668> i know im joking
[03:28] <EDocToor> ok
[03:28] <hi_668> with you i never used linux b4
[03:29] <hi_668> 4th day
[03:29] <hi_668> in life
[03:29] <hi_668> i will belive what ever you all say
[03:29] <EDocToor> hi_668, why don't you ask for a good tutorial.. to get the basics
[03:29] <EDocToor> maybe someone will answer
[03:30] <wo0f> ya, this really isn't the channel for it, someone will probably get annoyed at some point
[03:30] <hi_668> command are like ms dos form when i was little
[03:30] <EDocToor> I learned on a site called debain.org or something that sounded like that
[03:30] <wo0f> #ubuntu is where you want to be
[03:30] <EDocToor> that is true..
[03:31] <wo0f> ROFL are you flaming
[03:31] <EDocToor> this channel is for SERVERS..
[03:31] <wo0f> DEBAIN... lol
[03:31] <hi_668> i use the copy mether like in school find th ecommand and click and past it
[03:31] <hi_668> copying from you papper
[03:32] <EDocToor> wo0f, I am not knowing what flaming is.. if I am I guess I am sorry
[03:33] <EDocToor> hi_668,  you actually should watch the #ubuntu channel... just type
[03:33] <EDocToor>  /join #ubuntu
[03:33] <hi_668> like have you ever copied off somone school papper when you where in school
[03:34] <wo0f> lol- yes hi_668
[03:34] <hi_668> i google how to do this or that in google and copy and past
[03:34] <hi_668>  lol
[03:35] <wo0f> thats what everyone does ;P
[03:35] <hi_668> in termianl is my methode
[03:35] <hi_668> of ubuntu
[03:35] <hi_668> lol
[03:35] <hi_668> let them  do the work
[03:36] <wo0f> ...and get paid for it :P
[03:36] <wo0f> alternatively RTFM!
[03:37] <hi_668> lol yeo
[03:37] <hi_668> yep
[03:40] <hi_668> so you al want me to ge rid of thse files by rite click to trash casn and will that delete from the usb drive permently
[03:43] <hi_668> ok i downloaed ubuntu on to a  USB STICK
[03:46] <hi_668> you wont me to downloaded 12.04 lts and then go to unetbootin and download the WINDOWS OS BOOT and it will take sourgeforge websiite to download
[03:47] <wo0f> ommm, just follow this guide: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[03:48] <wo0f> Ubuntu generally has quite good documentation, and its only a Google away ;P
[03:52] <hi_668> ii know hhow to use the software
[03:54] <hi_668> vecuase i downloaded it  ubuntu from the usb stick but im going to get rid of the fiklesby high lighting  and send to trash can
[03:55] <hi_668> i going to high light them all rite cly click to send to  trash can
[04:48] <EDocToor> silly joke question: when I type /etc/init.d/mailman start  does the init.d stand for "In It Deep"?
[04:49] <EDocToor> well it helps me remember the init.d
[06:19] <nigelb> I used to use lxc fairly regularly, lately, I've noticed that the lxc networking isn't getting configured correctly.
[06:19] <nigelb> I haven't touched the configs.
[06:19] <nigelb> And I ahve this in my syslog http://www.privatepaste.com/74c9c6f096
[06:20] <nigelb> The only major change I've done is switch from using unity to lxde.
[06:20] <nigelb> Any ideas on what's going wrong?
[06:29] <EDocToor> Quick Question ;-) I hope;;; Is there a command that shows the partition with the mount point /
[06:33] <EDocToor> I have done this .. just can not remember... stab.. or something
[06:35] <sarnold> EDocToor: 'mount' will show you the current mounts
[06:35] <sarnold> EDocToor: /etc/fstab shows you what will be mounted at reboot
[06:35] <EDocToor> Sargun, Thanks.. that it
[06:37] <EDocToor> Are you still here... sarnold... you would be surprised how far I am not.. finished mail and now working on FTP wrapped in TLS sessions
[06:37] <EDocToor> All thanks to you... you are awesome
[06:37] <sarnold> EDocToor: ooof. ftp is a horrible, crufty protocol. do you have to support it? :)
[06:37] <EDocToor> and the others on this channel
[06:37] <sarnold> EDocToor: hehe, no, you did all the work, I just make suggestions. :)
[06:37] <EDocToor> This is a play box for learning.. nothing more
[06:38] <sarnold> ah, good. then you'll find out that ftp is a horrible crufty protocol in a safe, fun, environment. :)
[06:38] <EDocToor> ha ha ha ha ha
[06:39] <sarnold> nigelb: I don't know what exactly is wrong.. but the audit_printk_skb shows that not all apparmor messages are being logged; if you install auditd, the log messages will go to /var/log/audit/audit.log, and you'll be able to at least see what was being rejected
[06:39] <EDocToor> I really can not thank you guys enough.. I would be so lost reading these tutorials without a hint every now and again
[06:40] <nigelb> sarnold: aha, thanks, I'll try that.
[06:40] <sarnold> nigelb: some of the lxc containerization is enforced via apparmor, so I wouldn't just blindly add the rules to your profiles, but it might be something to consider
[06:41] <sarnold> EDocToor: hehe, yeah, there's nothing quite like a helpful hint at the right place and the right time :)
[06:41] <EDocToor> I have done a lot of work on my own.. it just doesn't make any sense to me yet..
[06:42] <EDocToor> but I have always loved command lines...
[06:42] <EDocToor> I was a MS-Dos batch code nut when I was a kid...
[06:43] <EDocToor> Well I got to get back at her..
[06:43] <EDocToor> tanks
[06:51] <sarnold> EDocToor: the command line is pretty awesome; there's nothing quite like being able to piece together a dozen nice little tools to solve a huge variety of complicated problems
[06:51] <sarnold> and the design is simple enough that adding new programs into the environment is pretty easy
[07:02] <nigelb> sarnold: hah, so this worked -> echo 1|sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:03] <nigelb> I believe that forced the containers to use ipv4.
[07:03] <sarnold> nigelb: ha!
[07:03] <sarnold> .. wonder why.
[07:03] <nigelb> I think I had set it before
[07:03] <sarnold> ohhhh
[07:03] <nigelb> and something recently changed it.
[07:03] <sarnold> still, seems odd.
[07:03] <nigelb> so, I just set it in /etc/sysctl.conf
[07:03] <EDocToor> sarnold, I have a question... that I have always wondered...
[07:04] <sarnold> nigelb: it might be worth filing a bugreport or asking hallyn when he returns (probably a few hours)
[07:04] <nigelb> I will :)
[07:04] <EDocToor> When the Ubuntu Server Boots.. a page of infomation FLICKERS BY... is there any way to read it.
[07:04] <sarnold> thanks
[07:05] <EDocToor> or see it.. like # history -w history.txt
[07:05] <sarnold> EDocToor: you can find most of it in /var/log/ somewhere -- /var/log/boot.log and /var/log/dmesg
[07:06] <EDocToor> tanks
[07:06] <sarnold> EDocToor: you might be able to hit ^S to stop the terminal, and ^Q to resume the terminal, but that's a big guess on my part. I have'nt done that in a decade or so..
[07:07] <sarnold> (haven't done that at boot recently; I use ^S and ^Q every five or six months. hehe. :)
[07:07] <sarnold> anyway, bedtime :) have fun
[07:07] <EDocToor> heha
[07:08] <EDocToor> me too ... 3 am
[07:08] <EDocToor> I can't this is way to exciting
[07:10] <EDocToor> What time is it for you sarnold ?
[07:26] <thurstylark> I have a server that I messed up the interfaces file on, and now I can't access it any more. I need to access the interfaces file through another machine with the root drive hooked up externally. It will mount, and I can see folders, but I cannot access the etc directory. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
[07:26] <Nilli> I can give users sudo permissions easily by "sudo adduser johndoe sudo" but how do I revoke sudo permissions if I only want to give them temporarily?
[07:27] <greppy> Nilli: an easy way is to edit /etc/group and remove them from the sudo group.
[07:27] <Nilli> greppy: oh, that's all? nice
[07:28] <greppy> Nilli: I haven't ever used it, but I think deluser can be used the same as adduser as well to remove them from the group.
[07:31] <Nilli> thanks, deluser seems to be what I was looking for
[07:42] <rbasak> yolanda_: bug 1189986 refers to real breakages such as segfaults - I'm not sure they should be Wishlist
[07:44] <yolanda_> i see, it's set as important in Debian
[07:45] <yolanda_> what do you think, maybe a medium priority?
[07:47] <rbasak> I'd go with Medium unless there's a particular reason to do anything differently.
[07:48] <rbasak> I'd also like to understand whether any of these would be fixed in a microrelease update. I think PHP should have a microrelease exception, but I haven't looked into it.
[07:56] <maxb> rbasak: It doesn't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[08:08] <rbasak> maxb: yeah. I think maybe it should :)
[08:08] <rbasak> (depending on whether it meets all the criteria)
[08:08] <maxb> Well.... I'm not sure PHP's micro releases are strictly has bug-focussed as usually considered appropriate for a MRE
[08:08] <maxb> s/has/as
[08:09] <rbasak> That's interesting. Do you have an example?
[08:10] <maxb> No, just a vague opinion formed from a general perception of PHP :-)
[08:10] <maxb> I don't suppose PHP have a policy document for what's allowed in a microrelease?
[08:13] <rbasak> That's what I want to investigate.
[08:20] <yolanda_> jamespage, zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-cinderclient/havana/+merge/168416
[08:42] <yolanda_> https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-swiftclient/havana/+merge/168877
[09:37] <Will> morning all
[10:05] <_nbk_> hello all,
[10:05] <_nbk_> maybe someone can help me with MAAS enlisting nodes?
[10:06] <rbasak> !ask | _nbk_
[10:06] <rbasak> Also, if you don't get an answer here, try #maas
[10:07] <_nbk_> ok, thanks <rbasak>
[10:13] <ThothCastel> I am trying for the first time to install and configure ldap on my server
[10:13] <ThothCastel> for ldap configuratin, if my hostname is server.procopio.local then my settings will be dc=server,dc=procopio,dc=local or dc=procopio,dc=local
[10:13] <otaku_coder> hey, has anyone used the chris lea nodejs ppa? For some reason it doesn't keep older versions of 0.10.x around, only tracking upstream. This makes it difficult to use in our cfm tool (puppet) as teh version strings keep expiring
[10:14] <ThothCastel> also, if I setup the hostname after installing the ldap package, will this interfere negativelly in anything?
[10:14] <yeats> otaku_coder: you would need to contact the PPA maintainer about that
[10:18] <otaku_coder> yeats: sure, will do
[10:20] <ThothCastel> help pls
[10:21] <ThothCastel> if my hostname is server.procopio.local then should my settings in the LDIF file be dc=server,dc=procopio,dc=local    or dc=procopio,dc=local  ?
[10:21] <ThothCastel> following this https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[10:41] <jazzkutya> hi
[10:42] <jazzkutya> newer usb hard disks above 2TB use 4kbyte logical sectors (probably physical too). I need information on from what version of ubuntu are these drives supported?
[10:49] <rbasak> jazzkutya: AIUI, they need no special support. However, on certain disks aligning partitions up to the newer sector size is needed to avoid a loss in performance. I'm not sure when the partitioner started doing this by default.
[10:50] <rbasak> It might be easiest for you to try the version of Ubuntu you want to use, and then examining the partition table to see if it's suitable aligned.
[10:51] <jazzkutya> no, this is not advanced format which only needs aligned partitions
[10:52] <jazzkutya> and i need this info to know what to expect on different boxes we have before buying this drive
[10:53] <rbasak> If it helps, I'm running (internal, SATA) 3TB drives on a 12.04 machine. They work fine.
[10:54] <jazzkutya> that probably reports 512byte logical sectors so it is more compatible with linux than these usb stuff i talk about
[10:54] <rbasak> I did need some GPT magic to make the system boot off it though. But presumably for external USB drives this doesn't apply to you.
[10:54] <jazzkutya> these usb drives switched to 4k logical sector sizes to allow compatibility with mbr partition tables
[10:55] <jazzkutya> result is compatibility with winxp but much worse compatibility with linux
[10:58] <rbasak> I see. Yeah - logical block size is 512.
[10:58] <rbasak> Sounds like you need to find out which kernel version supports what you need.
[10:59] <jazzkutya> that could help, yes
[10:59] <rbasak> 12.04.1 ships with 3.2. 12.04.2 ships with the quantal stack IIRC.
[11:00] <rbasak> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack for details of using newer kernels on 12.04.
[11:01] <rbasak> https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues#L-1._Kernel_support suggests that you'll be fine on USB
[11:08] <jazzkutya> yes for 12.04 lts it seems so
[11:08] <smb> rbasak, jazzkutya I would say that support should be in at least since 3.2 (probably earlier).
[11:08] <jazzkutya> i would say we have a lot older boxes also but at first info on 12.04lts is fine for me :)
[11:08] <smb> as long as "blockdev --getpbsz <dev>" returns the hard serctor size
[11:09] <jazzkutya> you know what is funny about these usb disks? they use normal 512byte logical sector internal hard disks and they developed an usb controller for this that translates to 4k logical sectors
[11:10] <jazzkutya> so the driver translates from 4k to 512b then the usb bridge translates back to 4k
[11:10] <jazzkutya> lol
[11:10] <jazzkutya> all this for compatibility with winxp...
[11:12] <smb> Actually for winxp I would say you have to present 512 logical sectors because that is so old there were not any 4k drives around
[11:15] <jazzkutya> it seems not to be the case
[11:15] <jazzkutya> it seems winxp can use 4k very well or maybe i don't remember some detail of this trick for winxp compatibility
[11:16] <jazzkutya> but im sure they use 4k logical sectors to allow usage of mbr partition table explicitly for winxp
[11:18] <Danielamallocci> ciao a tutti
[11:37] <yolanda_> jamespage https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/swift/havana/+merge/168922
[12:11] <ThothCastel> why am I not able to ping the hostname of amy host machine?
[12:12] <mardraum> fix your dns?
[12:26] <ThothCastel> mardraum: my dns seems to be working just fine outside the vm
[12:28] <mardraum> it;s great you are giving so much information about your setup </sarcasm>
[12:50] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[12:51] <frojnd> Hi there.
[12:52] <frojnd> I was about to configure mail server and I was trying to enable amavis antivirus. I was about to integrate postfix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew#Postfix_integration but I keep getting postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 69: missing '=' after attribute name: "smtp-amavis     unix    -       -       -       -       2       smtp        -o smtp_data_done_timeout=1200
[12:55] <frojnd> http://sprunge.us/XFJi
[12:56] <frojnd> This is /etc/postfix/main.cf
[12:56] <frojnd> It's a syntax error
[12:58] <frojnd> Any ideas what am I missing here :)
[12:58] <frojnd> That or wiki is outdated :P
[13:33] <frojnd> Any ideas? :)
[13:33] <frojnd> Didn't find out what's the cause of the problem
[13:36] <mdeslaur> soren: happy birthday :)
[13:39] <rbasak> frojnd: try looking at the documentation for the syntax of main.cf.
[13:39] <rbasak> Actually, isn't that line supposed to be in master.cf?
[13:40] <frojnd> rbasak: omg
[13:40] <frojnd> yeah I rered again wiki and I just noticed /etc/postfix/[main.cf|master.cf] :o
[13:41] <frojnd> I have to set higher value for monitor brightness
[13:43] <frojnd> I wonder what else did I missed, going to read again
[13:43] <frojnd> miss*
[13:50] <zul> yolanda_:  is this the errors you are getting with ceilometer https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1134575
[13:51] <yolanda_> zul, yes
[13:51] <yolanda_> i marked my bug as a dupe
[13:51] <zul> yolanda_:  ok kombu isnt the problem its another dep which ill update
[13:52] <yolanda_> ok
[13:52] <yolanda_> i just solved upgrading kombu, but maybe it was related with another module
[13:52] <zul> yolanda_:  nm i was wrong
[13:57] <ThothCastel_> is there a difference in configuring a client with dns using the /etc/resolv.conf and using the /etc/network/interfaces with the dns-search and dns-nameservers  ???
[14:09] <ThothCastel> is there a difference in configuring a client with dns using the /etc/resolv.conf and using the /etc/network/interfaces with the dns-search and dns-nameservers ???
[14:10] <pmatulis_> since 12.04 resolv.conf should no longer be hand-edited ThothCastel
[14:11] <pmatulis_> it's now a symlink:  /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[14:11] <pmatulis_> if you want to, make it a regular file and you will get back the traditional way of hand-editing
[14:12] <ThothCastel> pmatulis_: ok, so I should dd dns settings to the /etc/network/interfaces   as in https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution
[14:12] <ThothCastel> ?
[14:12] <pmatulis_> otherwise, use interfaces file
[14:13] <pmatulis_> dd?
[14:13] <ThothCastel> dd = add    sorry
[14:13] <pmatulis_> yes, use the interfaces file
[14:14] <ThothCastel> pmatulis_:   ok, many thanks
[14:39] <yolanda_> hi lamont, can we talk about bind9 issue? so you expose your opinion
[14:39] <lamont> sure
[14:39] <lamont> the basic question I have is: who is the intended audience for a changed version.bind?  and how will it be used?
[14:40] <yolanda_> zul, Daviey ^
[14:40] <zul> yolanda_:  its mostly stats gathering but Daviey can say more
[14:40] <lamont> if I was going to do it, I'd use something based on [ -x /usr/bin/lsb_release ] && lsb_relaese -si || echo Debian/GNU inside of configure (and configure.in)
[14:41] <zul> lamont:  i tend to agree
[14:41] <lamont> (in the debian package, I really don't want to fork it for ubuntu unless there's a really really good reason to)
[14:41] <lamont> historically, version.bind has been about the version, not the packaging, so adding a distribution.bind to the namespace would be less likely to produce the same kind of ire.
[14:41] <lamont> from those who ire.
[14:42] <lamont> OTOH, it produces a different kind of ire from those who believe that chaos/bind belongs to upstream en toto.
[14:44] <yolanda_> zul, what do you think?
[14:44] <lamont> zul: Daviey: highlight me so I notice, eh?
[14:45] <zul> lamont:  oh im highlighting you, :) i totally agree with you  should be done in the debian package
[14:47] <lamont> zul: my take is "should be in the debian package if done at all, now help me understand why"
[14:47] <lamont> zul: (the highlight comment was more of a "I'm going to wander off and do things I should be doing right now" comment)
[14:49] <zul> lamont: if its going to be done it should be in  the debian packaging
[14:49] <lamont> +5000
[14:50] <zul> so yolanda_ , so yeah prep something and let lamont have a look since lamont maintains it in debian
[14:52] <lamont> hrm.  that reminds me, I think I'm supposed to upload something for bind9
[14:52] <lamont> something for this evening, to be sure
[14:55] <lamont> like, 9.9.3-P1, say
[14:57] <yolanda_> ok
[15:05] <hallyn> hm, who's our newest motu?
[15:05] <hallyn> eh,
[15:06] <hallyn> smoser: do you mind pushing http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libcgroup-symlink/libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu11.dsc (for precise SRU)
[15:06] <smoser> 404
[15:06] <smoser> hallyn, i can do that for you. will also work on utlemming's sru
[15:07] <smoser> hallyn, but i can't do it until you fix 404
[15:07] <hallyn> hm
[15:08] <hallyn> what the...
[15:09] <hallyn> oh, i see, a pcc feature i hadn't considered
[15:09] <hallyn> smoser: fixed
[15:09] <hallyn> (trailing '/', so it pushed the .dsc without the directory)
[15:14] <zul> adam_g_:  png
[15:16] <rbasak> lamont: talking about bind, can you look again at bug 1090593? If not, please could you upload my proposed SRU if we're not going to get anything better? Assuming it's not out-of-date now.
[15:19] <smoser> hallyn, shoot.
[15:19] <smoser> your version number wasnt right.
[15:19] <smoser> and i uploaded.
[15:19] <hallyn> ?
[15:19] <smoser> Daviey, you're a archive admin, can you reject my libcgroup upload to precise-proposed ?
[15:19] <hallyn> oh effing quantal
[15:20] <hallyn> sorry
[15:20] <hallyn> very sorry
[15:20] <smoser> wait. you wanted preicse-proposed
[15:20] <smoser> right?
[15:20] <hallyn> yeah
[15:20] <hallyn> lemme fix and repush
[15:20] <smoser> you used '0.37.1-1ubuntu11', better would have been '0.37.1-1ubuntu10.12.04' or '0.37.1-1ubuntu11.1'
[15:20] <hallyn> sru acceptor should catch that though.  i
[15:20] <hallyn> i know
[15:20] <hallyn> if daviey's not around i can go tell infinity what i dumbass i was
[15:20] <smoser> err.. ubuntu10.1
[15:20] <smoser> make sure you add my name too
[15:21] <smoser> as i just did the upload :)
[15:21] <hallyn> no wait, isn't quantal on a newer version #? (0.38)
[15:21] <hallyn> checking,
[15:21] <hallyn> yeah no, the precise version # should be fine...
[15:22] <hallyn> checking history
[15:25] <hallyn> smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libcgroup-symlink/libcgroup-symlink/libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1.dsc
[15:26] <smoser> hallyn, right.
[15:27] <hallyn> smoser: thanks.  you can go ahead and push, no need to wait for the other to be kicked
[15:27] <smoser> it wasn't specifically wrong.
[15:27] <smoser> just more obvious as sru with the version number.
[15:27] <hallyn> smoser: and recommended as such by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation
[15:28] <hallyn> based on memory, I was thinking we only did .1 if the newer release shared the version #
[15:28] <hallyn> but it's actually recommended to always do it.  makes sense too
[15:28] <smoser> yeah, its better with the .1, but here woudn't cause upgrade issues.
[15:29] <smoser> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[15:29] <smoser>   Uploading libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1.dsc: done.
[15:29] <smoser>   Uploading libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1.debian.tar.gz: done.
[15:29] <smoser>   Uploading libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1_source.changes: done.
[15:29] <smoser> Successfully uploaded packages.
[15:30] <smoser> utlemming, ping
[15:30] <utlemming> smoser: pong
[15:31] <smoser> in lp:~utlemming/ubuntu/raring/isc-dhcp/64bit_time.lp1189571 (https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming/ubuntu/raring/isc-dhcp/64bit_time.lp1189571)
[15:31] <smoser> the changes differ from those in saucy
[15:31] <smoser> was that by design ?
[15:31] <smoser> saucy: isc_interval_set(&interval, sec, usec * 1000);
[15:31] <smoser> raring-branch: isc_interval_set(&interval, sec & DHCP_SEC_MAX, usec * 1000);
[15:32] <smoser> your quantal branhc is same as raring branch
[15:32] <utlemming> smoser: looking....they should be the same, afaik
[15:33] <hallyn> smoser: thanks again
[15:33] <genii> Zentyal install seems busted for me on 64bit. Does it need multiarch or something?
[15:33] <smoser> hallyn, as i look at utlemming's changes, i see that both jdstrand and mdeslaur uploaded full number ubuntuX in the isc-dhcp package to quantal.
[15:34] <smoser> so its probably "ok", and we/I should have probably just left it.
[15:36] <utlemming> smoser: okay, I'm lost...I just diff'ed the branches and I don't see a difference.
[15:36] <utlemming> smoser: I didn't change the isc_interval_Set(..)
[15:37] <smoser> but you should have
[15:37] <smoser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=600673
[15:38] <smoser> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/dhcp.git/tree/dhcp-4.2.4-P1-interval.patch
[15:39] <utlemming> smoser: yeah, I see that....crap
[15:40] <lamont> rbasak: wilco
[15:40] <smoser> utlemming, so if you dont mind, could you re-do those branches with
[15:40] <smoser>  * the same patch (including patch header) as went into saucy
[15:40] <smoser>     (refreshed if needed)
[15:40] <smoser>  * the same patch *name* as in saucy
[15:41] <smoser>  * test the build output on azure
[15:42] <utlemming> smoser: yeah, I can do that
[16:06] <Daviey> smoser: yes
[16:06] <smoser> never mind. we're settled.
[16:07] <Daviey> smoser: ok
[16:07] <Daviey> smoser: libcgroup doesn
[16:07] <Daviey> smoser: libcgroup doesn't need rejecting?
[16:09] <smoser> well, i uploaded 2 version
[16:09] <smoser> ubuntu11 and ubuntu10.1
[16:09] <smoser> the 11 could be rejected, but in the end either is actually fine.
[16:09] <smoser> but there are 2, so one needs rejecting
[16:10] <Enich> In the ubuntu kickstarter file, there is the option %post     Is this executed after the machine has installed and has been rebooted ?  or am i totally wrong ?
[16:10] <Daviey> smoser: looks already rejected?
[16:11] <virusuy> howdy gents
[16:37] <streulma> hi, I have an openvpn-server and virtualbox vboxnet0, how can I route traffic to the vboxnet0 network ?
[16:48] <jdstrand> smoser: I am lacking context, but the SECURITY UPDATE versions to quantal were still before quantal was released, so we used standard ubuntuX versioning for the dev release as opposed to ubuntuX.Y, which we employ on stable releases
[16:48] <smoser> ah.
[16:48] <smoser> that makes sense then.
[16:48] <smoser> thank you for clearing that up.
[16:49] <jdstrand> np
[16:49] <smoser> you seemed to do fine without context :)
[16:54] <jamespage> smoser, how exactly is the automatic mirror resolution mean't to work n cloud-init?
[16:55] <jamespage> I'm trying to hack an openstack cloud to use a local mirror by providing a suitable dns entry
[16:55] <jamespage> but I can't get it to work
[16:55] <jamespage> I *think* it might be a problem with the config-drive datasource but I'm not 100% sure
[17:01] <smoser> jamespage, you're trying to feed data in via cloud-config ?
[17:01] <smoser> or trying to have it discover it via dns
[17:01] <jamespage> smoser, no - I'm trying to hack http://$ac.cloud.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:01] <jamespage> ac/az
[17:01] <smoser> right.
[17:02] <smoser> jamespage, it doesn't look like its possible with config-drive
[17:03] <smoser> hm..
[17:04] <smoser> wait. it should work.
[17:04] <smoser> but note, its going to look for
[17:05] <smoser> http://%(availability_zone)s.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[17:05] <smoser> clouds
[17:05] <smoser> (plural)
[17:06] <smoser> jamespage, ^
[17:28] <zul> adam_g_:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[17:30] <adam_g_> zul, +1
[17:45] <EDocToor> !seen Will
[17:45] <EDocToor> !spoke Will
[17:49] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here know of a tutorial for properly getting an image from http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/precise/current/ pulled into a devstack deployment?
[18:29] <EDocToor> Good Morning/day/night Ubuntu Server Channel
[18:41] <virusuy> EDocToor: hi!
[19:00] <n00b123> hi guys, need help here. I'm having permissions problems on a ubuntu 12.04 server. The system is under raid 1 lvm and one o the lv is /cameras. I have chown to the cameras:cameras user and chmod -r 666 but when I am the user cameras I can not cd int /cameras (permission denied) and when I ls --l /cameras it says d????????? ? ? ? ?     folder-name, for all folders. But when I sudo su and cd goes normal, no problems
[19:02] <sarnold> n00b123: to 'cd' into a directory, the directory's mode needs to include the executable bit -- typically, mode octet 5 or 7 ...
[19:03] <sarnold> n00b123: you might want to run a command like find /camera -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;     or 777 if you would really rather allow everyone on the computer to read / write / delete all the data
[19:05] <n00b123> what about sudo chmod -R 777 cameras ?? is it ok to
[19:05] <n00b123> trying it
[19:05] <n00b123> read and write for all for test first
[19:05] <n00b123> got better
[19:06] <n00b123> thanks
[19:06] <sarnold> n00b123: mode 777 is dangerous, that'd allow anyone to write any data into any of the files and then allow someone else to execute, perhaps accidentally, any of those files. that's dangerous. :)
[19:06] <n00b123> that's. my nickname says it all
[19:07] <n00b123> I know that sarnold, thanks for the advice. Because I was having the permissions problem i tryed 777, and 666 before, now going back to 755
[19:07] <n00b123> thanks
[19:07] <EDocToor> Wow.. I can see how that could be dangerous
[19:11] <virusuy> 777 in unix permissions is like 666 , the number of the beast
[19:11] <EDocToor> Dumb question ... if i used edoc.icyourrc.com as my FQDN within my Ubuntu Server the www.icyourrc.com is only accessable locally until I get it linked to a nameserver... Am I lost, or am I close?
[19:12] <virusuy> to resolv that domain you will always need a DNS server
[19:12] <virusuy> if you want to resolv locally, just put in your /etc/hosts file
[19:12] <EDocToor> Thanks
[19:12] <EDocToor> done
[19:13] <virusuy> cool
[19:13] <EDocToor> That was my very first. BRIGHT LIGHT moment.. for you it may be obvious
[19:13] <virusuy> lol, don't worry
[19:14] <virusuy> nobody knows everything
[19:17] <soren> mdeslaur: thanks!
[19:19] <EDocToor> and something large groups of people think they know; Ex; Global Warming, will happen anyway as the Earth natural Orbit will naturally move so close to the sun that all life will on land will die; this is known as there is a two foot CRISPY layer found deep down in our Earth crust.. Also when the Earth Orbit moves TOO far way from the sun the Earth gathered a layer of dust.. it wasn't an astorode that killed the dinsoures it was
[19:19] <EDocToor> the Earth moving into space as it will do again. IMHO
[19:43] <shodan45> pros/cons to using nginx from the nginx.org repo vs normal ubuntu repo?
[20:36] <hallyn> roaksoax: bug 1185261 , is that a supported use case, do you know?
[20:38] <roaksoax> hallyn: not that I know of
[20:42] <roaksoax> smoser: around?
[20:42] <smoser> here
[20:42] <roaksoax> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1185261
[20:43] <roaksoax> smoser: does commissioning bring up both interfaceS?
[20:43] <smoser> no
[20:43] <smoser> i think i told this person to open this bug.
[20:44] <smoser> i think it is valid usecase.
[20:44] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, but not at the same time
[20:44] <smoser> but in this case, maas is going to have to know something about the network interfaces.
[20:44] <roaksoax> smoser: because commissioning will contact the maas server for apt_proxy
[20:45] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[20:45] <smoser> well, ideally maas could be told that the apt_proxy was elsewher.e
[20:45] <smoser> and that would pass on through
[20:45] <smoser> the reason this is hard is that we can't just say "dhcp all interfaces"
[20:45] <smoser> because if we did that we'd either have to
[20:45] <smoser> a.) wait for a response on all of them [indefinitely]
[20:46] <smoser> b.) background and just go on
[20:46] <smoser> a. results in hang if there are no dhcp servers on other nics
[20:46] <smoser> b. results in race conditions
[20:46] <hallyn> ok - thanks, so i'll mark this triaged low priority
[20:47] <smoser> so the only solution is to have maas know that its supposed to tell commissioning to wait on eth1 (and even *that* has to be done probably by MAC)
[20:47] <roaksoax> syeah
[20:49] <roaksoax> smoser: but that doesn't change the fact that cloud-init could configure all interfaces to dhcp from
[20:49] <roaksoax> smoser: because in this case, he isusing 1 isolated network to do stuff, and a second network for internfet
[20:50] <roaksoax> but the second network is not being brought up at all
[20:50] <roaksoax> not even for DHCP
[20:50] <roaksoax> so in this case
[20:50] <roaksoax> MAAS shjould not care how many network interfaces the node has
[20:50] <roaksoax> but cloud-init should just bring up all of them
[20:50] <roaksoax> what do you thinkl?
[20:50] <smoser> roaksoax, it can't.
[20:50] <smoser> or one of a or b are still relevant
[20:51] <smoser> ie, i can't just say "always dhcp on all nics"
[20:51] <smoser> because you either wait for all nics, or go on. if you wait, then you wait possibly forever.
[20:51] <smoser> if you go on, possibly 'apt-get update' happens before eth1 (in this case) has gotten an address.
[20:51] <roaksoax> smoser: right but you wait for a few seconds, if not, then no need to keep on waiting right?
[20:52] <jcastro> roaksoax: any feedback from people wrt. MAAS via SRU?
[20:52] <jcastro> good or bad?
[20:52] <smoser> what is the right value for "a few seconds"
[20:52] <roaksoax> jcastro: haven't heard any
[20:52] <roaksoax> smoser: well in maas don't we set 200somthing for d-i?
[20:53] <smoser> so you would delay *all* boots by 200 seconds ?
[20:53] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/861866 for refernece.
[20:53] <smoser> (60 seconds was found to be too low)
[20:53] <roaksoax> smoser: ok so make that the same case for all interfaces
[20:54] <roaksoax> smoser: so not just configure eth0
[20:54] <roaksoax> but configure all
[20:54] <smoser> but then you have to wait [for how long?] for each one.
[20:54] <roaksoax> that doesn't mean that cloud-init will have to wait 5(interfaces) *120 seconds
[20:54] <smoser> and, for the record, it doesn't wait for "eth0"
[20:54] <smoser> it waits for BOOTIF
[20:55] <roaksoax> smoser: right (but in this case I'm assuming it is eth0)
[20:55] <smoser> but by waiting up to 120 seconds, and then going on, you're delaying boot of the current "just works" case by 120 seconds!
[20:55] <roaksoax> smoser: right, aren't you already doing that with BOOTIF?
[20:56] <roaksoax> smoser: what i'm saying is make /etc/network/interfaces configure all interfaces to dhcp and let it be
[20:57] <roaksoax> smoser: right now we can wait the 120 seconds for BOOTIF, but *also* configure the rest of the interfaces to dhcp
[20:57] <roaksoax> but *not* wait for them to get dhcp
[20:57] <roaksoax> this would solve this case
[20:57] <roaksoax> this in reality wouldn't make it a maas bug after all then
[20:59] <roaksoax> smoser: is this the same case for the installer?
[21:05] <roaksoax> smoser: so in this particular case, it is not really up to MAAS to know/configure the second network during the commissioning environment
[21:05] <smoser> roaksoax, we wait indefinitely on BOOTIF
[21:06] <smoser> because, for maas we know that BOOTIF has a dhcp response on it.
[21:07] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, but if a physical node has 2 network interfaces (eth0, eth1), bueing eth0 BOOTIF. Cloud-init waits for for eth0 DHCP to come up and once that happens, it contacts the MAAS server right?
[21:07] <roaksoax> smoser: but at this point eth1 has not being configured at all right?
[21:08] <roaksoax> smoser: so what I'm saying is continue to do what we do, which is wait for BOOTIF, and if it gets a DHCP address, then continue with what it should do, but *also* make sure eth1 is set to DHCP, but we don't care if eth1 got an IP address or not
[21:09] <roaksoax> smoser: that shoulod cover the case scenario where we have a different network for internet
[21:09] <roaksoax> because up until this point, we assume that MAAS will always have external network access
[21:09] <roaksoax> and that's how we've been working all along
[21:10] <smoser> roaksoax, but all you're doing is exposing yourself to a race condition
[21:10] <smoser> where BOOTIF ocmes up fast, cloud-init runs 'apt-get update', eth1 comes up , blamo!
[21:11] <smoser> "doesnt work ever" is arguably better than "works sometimes on thursdays"
[21:11] <roaksoax> smoser: ok fair enough
[21:11] <smoser> the solution si for MAAS to know something about networking
[21:11] <smoser> which is something you were asking for anyway
[21:11] <smoser> in order to support the vlan case
[21:11] <roaksoax> smoser: then we should simply say that MAAS managed network needs to have external network access for it to work, (or an aaccessible mirror)
[21:12] <roaksoax> smoser: the vlan case was really being able to tell eth1, to be configured to dhcp for vlan 2020, eth0 for 2021, etc, etc
[21:12] <smoser> if maas knows about the expected networking, then it can tell the commisioning environment "you'll need to configuer MAC=AA:BB:CC as dhcp and wait"
[21:12] <smoser> right. but maas has to know to tell the nodes that.
[21:13] <roaksoax> smoser: it doesn't have to *know*
[21:13] <roaksoax> smoser: it simply has to allow me to define that I want in cloud-config format and allow cloud-init to do it
[21:13] <smoser> right.
[21:13] <roaksoax> smoser: or allow me to have a post install shell script that does that for me
[21:13] <smoser> it has to know "this machine" (or possibly all machines) are configured like this
[21:14] <roaksoax> smoser: right, but that's why it is by machine, and that's easy to do
[21:14] <roaksoax> you only "import" what's been set for a "particular" machine
[21:14] <roaksoax> and you handle that via templating
[21:14] <roaksoax> so each machine would have their own node.post_inst_params for example
[21:14] <roaksoax> so node.post_inst_params would be different for each if set differently
[21:15] <roaksoax> smoser: having specific knowledge of what network interfaces there are and tell it how you want them to be configured would be a nice feature too
[21:16] <roaksoax> but that still would require maas to tell some cloud-config code or shell for d-i post instll
[21:16] <smoser> the simplist solution is really to just allow a network-interfaces file to be shoved down
[21:16] <smoser> per-node
[21:17] <smoser> and that to be used then
[21:17] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[21:21] <roaksoax> smoser: the only thing though is that we would always have to prevent overriding the manual configuration for BOOTIF
[21:31] <EDocToor> sarnold, Thanks I have now finished my Ubuntu Server with (Apache2, BIND, Dovecot, ISPConfig 3) installed and configured... all thanks to you... I would never in a million years known that I would have had to put a "1" in my static address <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:32] <EDocToor> a million times X Thanks
[21:32] <sarnold> EDocToor: hehe, glad to have helped :)
[21:36] <EDocToor> I have a question sarnold ; I already have a host ; hosting www.icyourrc.com and I setup my UBuntu Server as icyourrc.com can I switch the DNS nameserver information and start hosting from my Practice icyourr.com Ubuntu Server Play Box.. if so, what URL or Google keywords would provide me with a good tutorial to do such a thing?
[21:37] <EDocToor> LETS GO LIVE hehe
[21:38] <sarnold> EDocToor: it's complicated because you'd need to configure your router to perform port-forwarding for all services you wish to run on your machine
[21:38] <EDocToor> I can do that
[21:38] <sarnold> EDocToor: you'd then need to update your NS records with your router's IP address, and wait for the old data to expire out of DNS caches all over the world..
[21:38] <EDocToor> I have a dd-wrt hacked router
[21:39] <EDocToor> I can do that
[21:39] <EDocToor> ;-) But should I?
[21:40] <sarnold> depends upon your ISPs Acceptable Use Policy :)
[21:40] <EDocToor> good point
[21:45] <EDocToor> sarnold, now I am off to the ubuntu channel to in install and configure a another Ubuntu Box for GUI .. actually I am think about Kubuntu.. thanks again ;-)
[21:46] <sarnold> EDocToor: have fun :)
[21:46] <EDocToor> You know it !!!
[22:33] <EDocToor> Question: I have my Ubuntu Server attached to my dd-wwrt router and another ubuntu standard attached as well.. but when I go to the standard ubuntu box and click on file browser: Network the server doesn't show? do I have to edit a file on the Server to tell the server that it can share a folder or something?
[22:33] <sarnold> EDocToor: in what way do you want to share files? NFS? SMB? something else?
[22:34] <EDocToor> Samba..
[22:35] <sarnold> EDocToor: okay, then apt-get install samba on the server and configure the smb.conf to export the directories you want :)
[22:36] <EDocToor> Cake... this is so exciting... ha ha haaaaa


[20:56] <hydruid> delinquentme: but doesn't matter I don't see a package published with that version...
[20:57] <satmandu> Anybody here use ubuntu on a mac laptop?
[20:57] <hydruid> delinquentme: try the packages list here, starting with the newest ones and going back one by one, until you find one that works: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libusb&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[20:57] <guntbert> !anyone | satmandu
[20:57] <valex_> wilee-nilee, it said something like module-init-tools: unrecognized service
[20:58] <hydruid> guntbert: Use Ubuntu.....on mac....you do?
[20:58] <hydruid> lol
[20:58] <wilee-nilee> valex_, on the start of it, it does that check the temps
[20:58] <satmandu> ubottu: word.  I don't have X enabled on a current EFI/ubuntu install on a MacBookPro3,1.    I clearly can't use xset...
[21:00] <smaudet> satmandu: don't have X? I didn't think any Ubuntu version didn't use X at all yet.
[21:00] <hydruid> satmandu: http://systembash.com/content/how-to-turn-off-your-monitor-via-command-line-in-ubuntu/
[21:00] <satmandu> Well, I don't have X installed, as I'm running the box as a server...
[21:00] <smaudet> Except maybe 13.10, which isn't out of beta
[21:01] <hydruid> satmandu: that link I sent you is exactly what you need
[21:01] <satmandu> hydruid: That suggests using xset
[21:01] <satmandu> hmmm.  I'll try it
[21:02] <smaudet> satmandu, hydruid: he wants to turn off of his virtual terminals
[21:02] <smaudet> I think
[21:02] <smaudet> Or he has X installed and doesn't realize it
[21:02] <satmandu> I'm on with the virtual terminals... I just want the screen to power off when idle
[21:03] <satmandu> I'm _ok_ with the VTs...
[21:03] <satmandu> hydruid: the xset script doesn't work.  xset:  unable to open display ":0.0"
[21:03] <hydruid> satmandu: tinker with it....you'll figure it out
[21:04] <satmandu> Doen
[21:04] <satmandu> doesn't xset require x to be installed?
[21:04] <satmandu> some xserver loaded and working?
[21:05] <smaudet> satmandu: try 'setterm -powerdown 1'
[21:05] <satmandu> I'm trying to avoid having any xserver loaded at all.  EFI + linux on these macs is a little weird.  You often don't get the graphics card drivers loaded properly... so I'm trying to avoid using the nouveau or nvidia drivers here...
[21:05] <satmandu> smaudet: trying that...
[21:06] <satmandu> 'sudo vbetool dpms off' doesn't work... just runs vbetool at 100% CPU...
[21:08] <EleanorEllis> Hi. I want to synchronise a folder on my ubuntu laptop with a windows server at work. I can get folder access to the windows share via samba when I have a network connection but I want to be able to work on local copies of the files when I dont have connectivity and then synchronise when I do have connectivity. I thought of doing this with Unison and mounting the samba share on my laptop but what would happen if the network connection disappeared while
[21:08] <satmandu> smaudet: 'setterm -powersave powerdown' gives 'setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device' so I don't think that would work...
[21:08] <satmandu> though maybe that tells me it isn't possible without some sort of special display driver loaded... ;-/
[21:09] <smaudet> satmandu: try something else then, not the only setterm command
[21:09] <smaudet> I'm not gonna pop into an vte just to test this for you, good luck with setterm
[21:10] <satmandu> smaudet: thanks for the help... I think the setterm error definitely tells me where to start poking away with drivers :-)
[21:10] <speaker1234> EleanorEllis: you can use a varity of tools
[21:10] <smaudet> satmandu: your welcome
[21:10] <speaker1234> isyncd to sync via google drive is the easiest for me
[21:11] <EleanorEllis> speaker1234: Thanks. Do you have any suggestions? My main question is what happens if I have a windows share mounted via samba and the network disappears.
[21:11] <speaker1234> the share vanishes
[21:11] <speaker1234> it also depends on the sync tool
[21:11] <speaker1234> you can loose the other copy
[21:12] <speaker1234> you can get a full sync to replace what vanished
[21:12] <EleanorEllis> speaker1234:Would I risk corrupting files on the server?
[21:12] <speaker1234> there is no good automatic resync
[21:13] <speaker1234> it depends
[21:13] <speaker1234> tell me again your configuration please
[21:14] <SupaYoshi> does anybody have experience with truecrypt containers and cloud storage?
[21:14] <SupaYoshi> I wonder if the container i upload to for example dropbox or better, copy.com are reuploaded completly each time?
[21:14] <SupaYoshi> Or just the changes, so that the upload size retains small format.
[21:15] <SupaYoshi> The answers i get from google are controversial
[21:15] <EleanorEllis> speaker1234: Ubuntu on laptop. Windows server on the remote server. We have an encrypted network connection using Juniper Network Connect but once Network Connect is up, then I have access as if I was on the LAN at work.
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> SupaYoshi, dropbox does not have your key what do you think
[21:17] <EleanorEllis> speaker1234: And I don't manage the server so I only have user access to it. Needless to say, our IT department don't support linux so I am on my own. I was quite pleased to get Network Connect to work on Ubuntu so I dont have to run windows just to access the work network.
[21:17] <EleanorEllis> speaker1234: What I mean is I will not be able to install or configure anything on the server
[21:17] <SupaYoshi> :P wilee-nilee, yes I do know this ;) hah! But some people say that dropbox is very smart and does this correctly somehow?
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> SupaYoshi, all you have to do is check your self and or ask them
[21:19] <boopms> سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ
[21:19] <roland> j #twrp
[21:20] <SupaYoshi> wilee-nilee, i suppose so yeah . ;) but if somebody knew here, that would be easier. hehe
[21:21] <wilee-nilee> SupaYoshi, your going to trust opinions here, hey I gotta bridge for sale ;)
[21:22] <Windy> hello, networking question, is there a way to access my windows box with my ubuntu laptop from a different network?
[21:23] <reisio> Windy: so many ways
[21:24] <reisio> Windy: look into no-ip, dyndns, etc.
[21:25] <soman> Is there something like autohotkey for ubuntu? I nned to check Window is active then get pressed key and programatically press keys
[21:26] <reisio> soman: xdotool, xautomation, autokey
[21:26] <reisio> in order of preference
[21:27] <Windy> That's the same thing as using an IP address, right? Does any method using this actually allow proper file sharing, or merely accessing?
[21:27] <Windy> @ reisio
[21:28] <reisio> Windy: you can do literally anything with an ip address
[21:28] <reisio> what they actually do is keep your ip from constantly changing on you
[21:28] <reisio> you can technically have one computer broadcast its ever-changing ip to you in a variety of ways
[21:28] <reisio> but that has security implications
[21:29] <Windy> what kind of keywords should I be using to find information on this, or do you have any tutorials I can look at? I literally don't know enough to learn here.
[21:30] <reisio> well for no-ip, dyndns, etc., all the information is on the sites
[21:30] <reisio> for file sharing there are all sorts of options
[21:30] <reisio> nfs, samba, sshfs (nice and simple)
[21:31] <OerHeks> ubuntu one :-)
[21:32] <reisio> yeah you could use another server
[21:32] <LinuxGold> trying to figure out to prevent Ubuntu server from turning monitor off
[21:33] <LinuxGold> I want htop on at all of times
[21:33] <reisio> LinuxGold: setterm -blank 0 or something
[21:33] <LinuxGold> thx, checking man setterm
[21:33] <reisio> LinuxGold: that'll work until you reboot, there's probably a config file to make it enduring
[21:34] <Windy> reisio, I wonder if we have the same definition of "file sharing". I'm talking like Google Docs, where I can edit the file from either computer.
[21:34] <LinuxGold> k
[21:34] <reisio> Windy: okay, how about google docs, then?
[21:34] <Windy> blender files.
[21:34] <d1gital> getting missing install CD error on install from thumbdrive (dd'd).  I think I remember having to pass a kernel arg to get this to work.. how do I tell it to install from the usb drive?
[21:35] <Windy> and I was using dropbox for a long time, but I have a lot of media files I don't want to deal with copying.
[21:35] <reisio> Windy: with copying?
[21:35] <Windy> to dropbox. As in, I don't have enough space for it all.
[21:36] <soman> reisio: thanks
[21:36] <reisio> Windy: okay, so how about google docs
[21:37] <reisio> Windy: ubuntu one does 5gb
[21:37] <reisio> google drive does...
[21:37] <reisio> 15
[21:37] <napsc> Windy why don't you just setup ssh on Windows box?  Lookup cygwin
[21:37] <reisio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services
[21:37] <reisio> or as previously mentioned, you could connect directly to/from your _two_ boxes alone
[21:38] <steve-gb> windy have you tried running a media server?
[21:38] <reisio> napsc: well he's got the Ubuntu box already, so he can just use ssh on that
[21:38] <Lunitome> I installed gnome-shell on Lubuntu 13.04, but Gnome isn't in the menu when I login in. Is there something else to install?
[21:38] <Windy> I want to share all the files. All 155 GB that I have, and more as I get them.
[21:39] <Lunitome> "gnome-shell"
[21:39] <reisio> Lunitome: lightdm, probs
[21:39] <reisio> Windy: yeah definitely not a third party server, then, unless you want to spend loads of cash
[21:39] <Lunitome> reisio: ?
[21:39] <reisio> Windy: no-ip + ssh is a good start
[21:39] <reisio> Lunitome: is there something else to install? -> lightdm, probably
[21:40] <napsc> reisio: right... but i'm under the impression he's using the laptop as the 'client'
[21:40] <Lunitome> reisio: so gdm doesnt work? lol
[21:40] <LinuxGold> added setterm -blank 0 -powerdown 0 -powersave off  /dev/tty$(index) where index (seq 1 6) to rc.local
[21:40] <LinuxGold> thanks
[21:40] <reisio> napsc: doesn't really matter which box is serving
[21:41] <reisio> LinuxGold: you cheater :p
[21:41] <LinuxGold> *=
[21:41] <reisio> Lunitome: no it should
[21:41] <LinuxGold> =D
[21:41] <reisio> Lunitome: are you running gdm?
[21:41] <Lunitome> reisio: yes
[21:41] <reisio> Lunitome: and if you log in, what do you get?
[21:42] <napsc> um, well, i don't play with windows anymore... but i didn't think it came ootb with ssh
[21:42] <CurlyGrogan> IRC server recommendations? Someone had said "Athene" maybe? is that spelled right?
[21:42] <Lunitome> reisio: about 7 or something other things
[21:42] <Taylr0x> Hi all. Currently running my laptop using my TV (via HDMI cable) as my display output however the audio appears to be coming from the laptop still. Anyone got any idea on how to get the audio to output via the TV using the HDMI cable?
[21:42] <Lunitome> reisio: like lubuntu, default, openbox
[21:44] <steve-gb> Windy if you want to share all that why dont you setup FTP? then you can use many accounts for sharing
[21:44] <reisio> Lunitome: default?
[21:44] <Lunitome> reisio: loads lxde
[21:45] <Windy> reisio: ssh is a good start, is there a good way to get a graphic display?
[21:45] <reisio> Lunitome: you know you want to abandon lxde, or do you just want to _try_ gnome?
[21:45] <Lunitome> reisio: closest thing to "Gnome" is "Gnome/openbox" that doesnt work
[21:45] <reisio> Windy: you can mount directories over ssh and use your ordinary GUI file manager on either FS
[21:45] <Windy> reisio :O yeah that's what I want.
[21:45] <Lunitome> reisio: i want to use gnome normal, if it doesnt work good i could reinstall, i didnt do alot on this install yet
[21:46] <reisio> napsc: it doesn't, you'd want a 3rd party sshfs implementation, or the like
[21:46] <reisio> Windy: okay :) so set up no-ip/dyndns/whatever, and make sure sshd is running on Ubuntu box
[21:46] <reisio> Windy: and use http://code.google.com/p/win-sshfs/ on Windows
[21:46] <reisio> Windy: done
[21:47] <reisio> Lunitome: you could try part of the command to remove lubuntu at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu
[21:47] <reisio> Lunitome: and then see if it works, or re-install gnome-shell and see
[21:48] <reisio> there's just some config file tripping your system up somewehre
[21:48] <Lunitome> @rei k
[21:48] <reisio> I'm afraid I don't know which one :)
[21:48] <Lunitome> reisio:  k
[21:48] <Lunitome> rei i just installed "gnome-shell" and what it installed
[21:49] <Lunitome> reisio: so copy the remove lubuntu command?
[21:49] <reisio> Lunitome: except for the && sudo bit on the end
[21:49] <reisio> or make it && sudo apt-get install gnome-shell if you like
[21:50] <reisio> it's a silly and tedious way to fix such a thing
[21:50] <reisio> but I think it may well work :p
[21:51] <zimbo> is port 631 (ipp) supposed to be open on a default desktop install of ubuntu?
[21:51] <napsc> reisio: I think we're thinking the same thing.  I said to install cygwin to get ssh on the windows box. that's all.
[21:51] <Lunitome> reisio: i just installed gnome-shell and not ubuntugnome or anything else
[21:51] <Lunitome> reisio: should it still work?
[21:51] <reisio> napsc: :)
[21:52] <reisio> napsc: for sshfs?
[21:52] <reisio> Lunitome: some config you have is predisposed to LXDE, because you had all that stuff installed first
[21:53] <napsc> yes... i usually just install openSSH on boxes i want to reach.
[21:53] <Lunitome> reisio: so mean that its only looking for lxde because config?
[21:53] <Lunitome> reisio: im trying the command now
[21:54] <reisio> well, yes
[21:54] <reisio> there're configurations, and there's magic
[21:54] <reisio> only magic doesn't exist :)
[21:54] <zimbo> port 631 (ipp) - is it supposed to be open by default?
[21:55] <CurlyGrogan> IRC server recommendations? Someone had said "Athene" maybe? is that spelled right?
[21:55] <Lunitome> reisio: lxde is open when im trying the command, is that ok or should i log out?
[21:56] <reisio> Lunitome: doesn't matter
[21:56] <histo> zimbo: depends do you have cups installed?
[21:56] <Lunitome> rei k
[21:56] <Lunitome> reisio: k
[21:57] <zimbo> histo: yes
[21:57] <Lunitome> reisio: errors
[21:58] <histo> zimbo: then cups is listening on 631.
[21:58] <Lunitome> reisio: http://pastebin.com/vp9fWpsm
[21:58] <histo> zimbo: open a browser and http://localhost:631
[21:58] <zimbo> histo: guess i should have known that, thanks
[21:59] <badass> does anyone know if the samba configuration option for include supports wildcards?
[21:59] <Windy> reisio: thanks for all your help, I'll try this later.
[21:59] <badass> I'm trying to get a similar feature of nginx / apache's conf.d
[21:59] <badass> include /etc/samba/config/*
[21:59] <badass> something like that
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm,, Weird. Downloaded a ubuntu iso file on ubuntu with chrome.. came back and it had opened the iso in winrar.exe that i had  installed via wine.
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> wonder how it did that. ;)
[22:00] <Lunitome> reisio: .-.
[22:01] <histo> badass: did you check man smb.conf ?
[22:01] <histo> badass: I see support in there for wildcards in several areas
[22:01] <badass> doesn't specify for include though
[22:02] <Lunitome> reisio: could you give me the code without those things, there are alot
[22:03] <zimbo> histo: yes it's cups - i can see the server running
[22:05] <Lunitome> Is reisio online?
[22:07] <Lunitome> Is reisio online? or afk?
[22:07] <Mark-Potter> Lunitome: Message them :)
[22:09] <MileyCyrus> Hi
[22:09] <Mark-Potter> Hello MileyCyrus
[22:10] <MileyCyrus> Why's that when you install a new kernel you have to reinstall nvidia drivers?
[22:10] <zimbo> MileyCyrus: if it's you i'm super horny and ready for that pussy (just don't tell my wife)
[22:10] <MileyCyrus> bad boy zimbo
[22:11] <zimbo> ;-)
[22:11] <Tex_Nick> !language | zimbo
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> MileyCyrus:  did you install the nvidia drivers via the .run drivers from the nvidia site?
[22:11] <MileyCyrus> yes, Dr_Willis
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> MileyCyrus:  thats why then.
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> if you used thepackage manager.. it would do it as needed
[22:12] <MileyCyrus> But, I mean, not installing a new kernel, but when Ubuntu does upgrading
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> only timne ieve ever seen it needed to be done is when the kernel version changes
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> each kernel version has to have somthing done via the .run drivers to compile them for that speciric kernel. DKMS handles it automatically if you used the repo drivers
[22:16] <Lunitome> will ubuntugnome work good on my 512 mb ram?
[22:16] <MileyCyrus> Aha. The .run drivers let you specify if you want to install DKMS modules
[22:16] <MileyCyrus> thank you Dr_Willis
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> Lunitome:  id stick to Lubuntu if you got that low of ram.
[22:16] <Lunitome> unity ubuntu worked but some slow and chrome crashed alot
[22:17] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: k
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> track down more ram would be a HUGE boost to the system preformance.
[22:17] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: i like gnome and unity better than lxde
[22:18] <Mark-Potter> !language | Mark-Potter
[22:18] <Mark-Potter> lol
[22:19] <chris5000> !language | chris5000
[22:19] <Mark-Potter> (In the future, please use a private message to investigate)
[22:19] <Mark-Potter> What does that mean please?
[22:19] <gars_33> can somebody help me I can't have access to undernet i can't connect to the server
[22:20] <malus> ciao
[22:20] <Lunitome> 77
[22:20] <malus> !list
[22:20] <Mark-Potter> gars_33: Is that another irc network
[22:20] <gars_33> yes mark-potter
[22:21] <Lunitome> like i would use normal ubuntu if chrome didnt crash on it
[22:21] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: ^
[22:24] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: so does chrome use the memory like unity does?
[22:24] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: so does gnome use the memory like unity does?
[22:25] <OerHeks> Any browser needs memory to run, it should not conflict with unity.
[22:25] <Lunitome> gnome*
[22:25] <Lunitome> like would gnome be better on this comp than unity
[22:26] <OerHeks> unity runs on top of gnome3
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Lunitome:  a browser will use more ram then your desktop i imagine. expecially with more then 1 tab and flash going
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Lunitome:  if you want the 'lightest' desktop - run JUST a window manager. like jwm. but then you lose a lot of features you may want
[22:26] <OerHeks> Dr_Willis, see the chrome <> gnome
[22:27] <Lunitome> gnome***
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> i cant really tell if gnome is heavier or lighter then unity. I dont use low end systems any moar. ;) except for my raspberry pi
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> your browser will still use moar resources then your desktop form what ive seen
[22:28] <chris5000> Dr_Willis: what do you use your pi for?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> chris5000:  znc server, Plex Media player, and XBMC box.
[22:28] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: then is there a way to have search in the menu, use super key to open menu, panel on top? on lxde
[22:29] <Lunitome> Dr_Willis: like in windows 7 search
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> Lunitome:  never noticed.   you can alwyas use some other docks from the repos if lubuntu cant do it
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[22:33] <UndrWater> is there a way to grab the kernel from the running install CD?
[22:35] <jrib> UndrWater: why do you want to grab the kernel?  What did it ever do to ypou?
[22:36] <OerHeks> UndrWater, The running one is loaded from /boot/vmlinuz* AFAIK
[22:36] <sam_> ok I need to install nanny parental control and when i compile it ./configure gives this error No package 'pygtk-2.0' found. I download that package and its not working with my structure (using ubuntu 13.04) need help
[22:37] <jrib> sam_: the software is called "nanny"?
[22:37] <whiptail> lol
[22:37] <NedsFlam> Hey all. Is there any way to boot ubuntu without a monitor and retain graphical mode? I plan rmd into it.
[22:37] <sam_> Jrib_: yes its a parental control software
[22:37] <UndrWater> jrib: it booted with all hardware intact! :D
[22:37] <Ben64> NedsFlam: rmd?
[22:37] <jrib> !vnc | NedsFlam
[22:37] <jrib> !compile | sam_
[22:37] <NedsFlam> ben64: remote desktop
[22:37] <jrib> sam_: you need the right -dev package (see ubottu for more details)
[22:38] <Ben64> NedsFlam: then check what ubottu said to you
[22:38] <sam_> Jrib_: https://projects.gnome.org/nanny/
[22:39] <NedsFlam> jrib: does vnc allow remote desktop? rather than just ssh?
[22:39] <jrib> NedsFlam: that is what vnc is
[22:39] <NedsFlam> jrib: ah then I missread. Thanks I will continue reading
[22:40] <mizu_no_oto> Is there any way to get a Lexmark X7530 printer working?  We're trying to fix my girlfriend's grandmother's computer by putting ubuntu on it, but she's attached to her printer
[22:40] <NedsFlam> jrib: but my real issue is an error ubuntu throws when I try to boot it without an operating system
[22:40] <NedsFlam> jrib: I mean without a monitor
[22:41] <jrib> NedsFlam: what error?
[22:41] <NedsFlam> jrib: hold plz
[22:43] <sam_> Jrib_: I have this line of command and it doesn't work sam@sam:~/Desktop/nanny-2.29.4$ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-init-scripts=debian bash: ./autogen.sh: No such file or directory
[22:43] <NedsFlam> jrib: I am unable to get the error at the moment as I am doing something else with the computer. I will return later with the error.
[22:43] <NedsFlam> thanks anyway
[22:44] <sam_> sam@sam:~/Desktop/nanny-2.29.4$ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-init-scripts=debian bash: ./autogen.sh: No such file or directory
[22:44] <sam_> how can i run that command?
[22:44] <mizu_no_oto> Or do I need to either buy her a new printer or get it booting into vista by default again?
[22:45] <geirha> sam_: ->  [If there isn't autogen.sh try ./configure instead]
[22:45] <jrib> sam_: I suggest you do not use /usr as your prefix
[22:45] <geirha> sam_: That's from nanny's README file
[22:45] <Tex_Nick> not a huge problem, however on 13.04 ... using a rathwer new logitech wireless mouse with new battery ... i have problems resizing windows ... it's kinda difficult to grab hold of a windows edges or corners ... not sure of mouse resolution ... anyone else have a similar problem ?
[22:46] <Tex_Nick> rather*
[22:46] <sam_> geirha_: its the readme file from the program so autogen should work
[22:46] <geirha> sam_: Depends on how you grabbed the sources
[22:47] <sam_> Jrib_: I don't know how to change my /usr part of command can you tell me the new command?
[22:48] <sam_> Jrib_: what are my options for prefix?
[22:48] <geirha> sam_: If you grabbed it via the version control system, you use autogen.sh, which creates a configure script that it runs. If you grabbed a tarball, it generally have a configure script already generated, so you run that instead
[22:50] <geirha> sam_: --prefix=/usr -> --prefix=/usr/local   Software you install outside the package manager should go in either /usr/local or /opt; to avoid interfering with the package manager
[22:50] <sam_> geirha_: I grabed a tarball . I ran configure file and it came up with this requirement missing (pygtk 2.4 - 2.4) the packages I found isn't compatible  with my ubuntu 13.04 structure
[22:52] <geirha> sam_: That probably means you have to install the package  python-gtk2-dev
[22:54] <geirha> as a rule of thumb, whenever the configure script says you're missing some lib foo, you need libfoo-dev. In this case it's a python module, so the package is named python-<libname>-dev
[22:55] <mizu_no_oto> So is there is there any way to get a Lexmark X7530 printer working?
[22:55] <galorin> I am having a minor problem with an old PCI  wireless adapter, working as of two days ago, blew up my power supply.  It's a Belkin F5D7000, which uses the b43 module.  Shows up in lspci, the modules are loaded under lsmod, but there's no sign of it in ifconfig or iwconfig.  What have I forgotten to do to get this old bird in the air again?
[22:55] <geirha> sam_: Looking at its homepage though, that software is three years old, and doesn't seem to be maintained anymore
[22:56] <LinuxGold> It's been said that if you play a windows CD backwards, you'll hear satanic chanting...worse still if you play it forwards, it installs windows.
[22:56] <nakedwater> heh
[22:56] <Mark-Potter> lol
[22:56]  * Mark-Potter would rather take horse manure
[22:57] <histo> galorin: firmware?
[22:57] <Mark-Potter> Press it into the shape of a disc and use that
[22:57] <Mark-Potter> !
[22:57] <histo> !bcm | galorin
[22:57] <sam_> geirha_: installing that gtk dev package its large package. so you say the software won't work on ubuntu 13.04?
[22:57] <sam_> geirha_: do you by any chance know any other parental control software for ubuntu?
[22:58] <geirha> sam_: It might work. I'm saying if it doesn't work, or you find a bug, it seems unlikely you'll get any help/fixes
[22:59] <sam_> geirha_: is there anyway to install all package requirement all at once automaticly. now its asking me for python-gtop
[22:59] <geirha> sam_: The lack of maintainers is probably why it was removed from the Ubuntu repositories in the first place
[23:00] <geirha> sam_: For debian package sources, yes. For arbitrary source code downloaded off the net, no.
[23:00] <OerHeks> timekpr, net nanny are discontinued, and http://dansguardian.org/ is also dying, try opendns ?
[23:03] <LinuxGold> http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5071/momh.png
[23:04] <galorin> histo | Woo! thanks, now I wonder why I had to do that when it was working before I had to swap out a power supply and motherboard.
[23:05] <galorin> Oh well, it's working now
[23:05] <MKCoin> what exactly does indicator-application-service do in 12.04? Mine seems to be leaking a bit, I want to restart it but don't want to be forced to restart.
[23:06] <sam_> geirha_: To use the parental control, please start up the daemon       how  an i start up the daemon? is that a bug??
[23:07] <dr_willis> sudo service servicename  start                is one way sam_
[23:08] <sam_> command not found :|
[23:08] <dr_willis> what command...
[23:08] <dr_willis> what command are you using exactly
[23:09] <sam_> my command was sudo nanny start
[23:09] <dr_willis> that was not the example i gave
[23:09] <dr_willis> sudo service SERVICENAMEFORYOURSERVICE  start
[23:09] <sam_> well I though i should replace service name with my program name
[23:10] <dr_willis> sudo service sshd start   (for example)
[23:10] <dr_willis> and tab completion can work for the service name
[23:10] <dr_willis> !info nanny
[23:10] <dr_willis> !find nanny
[23:11] <OerHeks> it is discontinued after 12.10, dr_willis
[23:11] <dr_willis> never hear of a 'nanny service'
[23:12] <geirha> sam_: Source code generally does not include init script, so you'll likely have to write one (or an upstart config file) yourself
[23:12] <sam_> well is there any parental  control software for linux?
[23:13] <dr_willis> sam_:  did you search the package manager package listing?
[23:13] <dr_willis> I do belive OpenDNS also has such a service at the dns level
[23:13] <dr_willis> and ive definatly seen firefox extensions for  parental controls
[23:14] <dr_willis> ive also seen my 4 yr old grandson get around such things rather quickly... the little rascal..
[23:14] <sam_> didn't find one in package manager . open dns wont' be enough for me I need to control surfing time on my computer
[23:14] <OerHeks> normally you enter net nanny through System > Administration > Parental Control.
[23:15] <OerHeks> Not sure how this behaviour is in 13.04
[23:15] <dr_willis> best parental control ive seen.. Place the PC right in the middle of the liveing room where everyone can see whata anyone else is doing. ;)
[23:15] <sam_> nanny won't work they don't upgrade that software for 13.04 going to uninstall it
[23:16] <sam_> haha lol yeah thats a good solution but not on laptop.
[23:16] <OerHeks> timekpr is dead also
[23:16] <Mark-Potter> yup
[23:24] <dr_willis> glad i dont have to worry about such things with the kids. (got none) :)   i just have to keep the android phone locked down so the grandkid dosent buy  stuff.
[23:25] <MKCoin> what exactly does indicator-application-service do in 12.04?  You mean leaking ram?
[23:26] <dr_willis> memory leaks ;)
[23:27] <MKCoin> no, I mean using a lot of CPU for no reason. It ... appears to have been caused by my CPU monitor, ironically.
[23:27] <MKCoin> yup, that was it, heh.
[23:27]  * Tex_Nick would consider sending his 2 grandkids to dr_willis ... my PC maintenance would much simpler then ;-)
[23:28] <dr_willis> got them all on tablets these days.  :)  no more fighting with windows..
[23:29] <dr_willis> wife is also basically using her android tablet 90% of the time.. she rarely even touches her laptop
[23:32] <dr_willis> now for a support question..  the   /  key  (and as far as i can tell ONLY the / key) seems to be acting up on my ubuntu box.  seems i have  hit it 3 times to get 2 slashss.   like in   http:// whatever.. im constantly getting  http:/whatever
[23:33] <dr_willis> if i  hit the key 3 times however. i seem to get like 5 slashes..
[23:33] <dr_willis> that sound like some sort of software issue or a very weird hardware issue?  not tried a differnt keyboard yet. ;)
[23:37] <smaudet> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS I'm trying to troubleshoot some startup issues, they aren't major it seems but it is stopping rpcbind from working perhaps? Anyways initctl is being executed in the following manner: 'exec initctl emit --no-wait start-rpcbind ON_BOOT=y', where are these 'event's stored, and any idea what might be going wrong?
[23:37] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : i use3d to do hardware design & development ... modern day keyboards incorporate something called "debounce circuitry" that prevents that at the hardware level (the key switch contacts)
[23:38] <caradactyl> when trying to run virtualbox in ubuntu server i get the error: Failed to open the X11 display.. anyone have any idea whats going on here? i'm very new to this
[23:38] <smaudet> Tex_Nick, dr_willis: have done similar things myself, I can attest this is the case with keyboards (with controllers in them at least)
[23:38] <smaudet> Tex_Nick: what was the question?
[23:39] <Tex_Nick> smaudet: dr_willis is having a KB problem ... scroll up
[23:41] <smaudet> That is a very interesting problem: dr_willis, obvious question does it occur in all programs? E.g. if you opened up a virtual terminal and typed '///' what do you get?
[23:43] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : back inthe days of the "radio shack TRS-80" computer ... they neglected to provide KB debounce ... and the result was as you describe ... their only solution was to provide for a software patch/kludge ... whichintroduced a software delay for the KB input ... not used today ... sounds like a bad KB circuit
[23:43] <smaudet> Tex_Nick: agreed - different keyboard/different programs
[23:44] <smaudet> The other thing I could think of would be some weird equivalent of StickyKeys
[23:45] <Semper> Anyone an expert on filesystem permissions?
[23:46] <johnjohn101> i'm advanced
[23:46] <Semper> Do folder or file permissions take precedence?
[23:46] <smaudet> Semper: file
[23:46] <smaudet> Semper: folders are files with files in them
[23:46] <Tex_Nick> smaudet: ahhh might software like that might also be something to consider ... also an intermittently stuck key ???
[23:46] <Semper> If I have a folder chmodded to 700, and the files within it at 644 will everyone be able to access it?
[23:46] <smaudet> Tex_Nick: definitely
[23:47] <Semper> It being the files within the folder.
[23:47] <smaudet> Semper: only root can
[23:47] <Semper> Thought so, weird though.
[23:47] <smaudet> Semper: that is only root can read the directory to obtain a listing
[23:47] <Semper> I tried opening with the full path on non root and it cannot do it
[23:47] <smaudet> Semper: you could always try touching the files inside explicitly, but I dont'think that'd work
[23:49] <smaudet> Semper: not really, folder permissions provide access permissions to things inside them, but the file access is still 'first' since if you can read a directory, then you can do whatever you need to on files with write access in that directory
[23:49] <smaudet> Semper: as I said, folders are files with files inside them (although I'm not a kernel dev so don't quote me on that)
[23:49] <lgc> Hi. This is probably an old topic, but I just found out that my touchpad isn't working, either in Ubuntu or in Windows. I noticed that after a live boot. What gives?
[23:49] <Semper> Kind of a mind screw, mysqldump is dumping the databases is 644
[23:50] <Semper> I don't want everyone with access to it.
[23:50] <Semper> parent folder is 700
[23:50] <Anonynimity> oatmeal on drugs: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
[23:50] <smaudet> Semper: then mysqldump is probbaly running as root, or its users is in the root user group
[23:50] <johnjohn101> Semper, i just did this same thing on my system. i can't access my 644 file in my 700 folder owner by root.root
[23:50] <smaudet> its user*
[23:51] <Semper> john_john, I have the folder set as admin:admin
[23:51] <Semper> admin is a non root account
[23:51] <Semper> I need the admin account for ssh to perform backups
[23:51] <johnjohn101> Semper, so admin user and admin group   so only those users have access to the directory
[23:51] <Semper> I thought so.
[23:52] <Semper> Total pita
[23:52] <johnjohn101> if you make a user part of the admin group, then they have access to the directory
[23:52] <Semper> yeah
[23:52] <Semper> that much is ok.
[23:52] <Semper> admin group only has admin for that reason
[23:53] <Semper> though wouldnt they only have access in the admin group if I made it 740 and above
[23:53] <johnjohn101> Semper, that is correct. thanks for that
[23:54] <Semper> Such a strange situation
[23:54] <Semper> to avoid a password showing in ps
[23:54] <johnjohn101> Semper, let me check my directory permissions
[23:54] <Semper> i need a config file
[23:54] <Semper> with the config file it needs to be root only
[23:54] <Semper> so only root can do the dumps
[23:54] <smaudet> Semper: yes, 740 would be correct for admin access
[23:54] <smaudet> RWXRWXRWX, UGA
[23:54] <Semper> it dumps it for another user to access since you cannot SSH as root
[23:55] <smaudet> 7 7 7, 111 111 111
[23:55] <smaudet> easy if you know binary
[23:55] <Semper> while preventing access for all
[23:55] <johnjohn101> Semper, you can give user read access to the directory
[23:55] <smaudet> Actually OGA, not UGA
[23:55] <Semper> Well, I only need the admin account with access to them.
[23:55] <smaudet> And then there's a sticky bit and a directory bit which I never remember what they do /end waffle
[23:55] <johnjohn101> chmod +g
[23:56] <Semper> So I needed to check folder @ 700 admin:admin prevents all but root and admin access to the folder and files beneath
[23:56] <CADRE> Hey everyone. Hate to add to the confusion chorus, but I just got Ubuntu installed and now TrueCrypt is giving me installation hell. I've extracted this single file, and now it only wants to run in text editor, which it crashes. What's the deal?
[23:56] <Semper> CADRE, isn't it provided as a deb somewhere?
[23:56] <smaudet> CADRE: hold your horses: what's wrong with just an Ubuntu install? Where are you installing TC?
[23:57] <smaudet> CADRE: if you downloaded a .deb file, you'll want to run that i.e. 'sudo dpkg -i truecrypt.deb'
[23:57] <smaudet> You should just be able to double click it but it sounds like your defaults are messed up
[23:57] <smaudet> If you 'extracted' it anyways
[23:57] <Semper> Which desktop environment are you in CADRE ?
[23:58] <CADRE> Well I downloaded TrueCrypt, off their site, the standard 64-bit one. Extracted, and now I have truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64
[23:58] <smaudet> CADRE: ah, look for a .bin file, run that
[23:58] <Semper> well, you just need to run it to install via terminal
[23:58] <CADRE> Extracted to home, that is. As for the distro itself, uname-a says Ubuntu 3.8.0
[23:58] <smaudet> CADRE: i need to install TC myself actually, I'll see what it is in a sec
[23:58] <CADRE> But yes I figured Terminal had something to do with it, but I'm not clear on the commands, a lot of the online stuff gave me commands for various other distros
[23:58] <Semper> smaudet, last time I installed, you extracted it and ran an install script via terminal
[23:59] <Semper> CADRE you should have an install.sh or similar
[23:59] <Semper> sudo run that and it should install I think
[23:59] <smaudet> CADRE: right, well other distros may have it pre-packaged
[23:59] <Semper> if you are in the same directory you need to use
[23:59] <smaudet> Semper: bad idea to do that
[23:59] <Semper> ./install.sh
[23:59] <smaudet> unless it asks for it
[23:59] <smaudet> I'd only sudo install .debs personally
[23:59] <Semper> well I remember that it should
[23:59] <johnjohn101> Semper http://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-file-and-directory-permissions/
[23:59] <Semper> if it doesnt need it don't sudo


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