[18:48] <olly_> morning
[20:03] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:03] <mwhudson> morning
[21:09] <thumper> morning
[21:30] <chilts> morning
[21:44] <olly_> hmm, poli seems to have a web-based thing now, which is virtually indistinguishable from a phishing scam
[21:44] <olly_> i have no way of telling if the internet banking login served via an iframe at https://nz00702.apac.paywithpoli.com/IOLB/Login.jsp is legit...
[21:54] <mwhudson> i think the banks got pretty upset about that
[21:54] <mwhudson> http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8099097/ASB-warns-customers-of-POLi-spoof
[21:55] <mwhudson> http://www.bnz.co.nz/about-us/media/archives/important-security-update-poli
[21:55] <mwhudson> etvc
[21:57] <olly_> hmm, i rang westpac who told me it was legit
[21:58] <mwhudson> oh i'm pretty sure it is
[21:58] <mwhudson> but it's not exactly good training for users
[21:58] <olly_> i think she didn't really get my concern that there's no way to verify
[21:58] <mwhudson> well
[21:58] <olly_> and if you know enough to look at the source, it looks suspect
[21:58] <mwhudson> banks still occasionally phone me up and ask for my security details before offering a loan or whatever
[21:58] <mwhudson> so...
[21:58] <olly_> she didn't seem to have heard of poli until she asked the supervisor, which I find somewhat surprising
[22:00] <hads> I blame the likes of AirNZ for using it and keeping their silly business alive.
[22:11] <chilts> I hate Poli and refuse to pay AirNZ flights with it
[22:11] <chilts> it seems sooo wrong
[22:11] <chilts> as mwhudson says "it's not exactly good training for users"
[22:23] <olly_> it used to be windows-only - i'm not sure this is really an improvement
[22:39] <G> yeah, it was .NET then they started moving people onto a purely web based system
[22:40] <G> the way they rewrite stuff around their iframes etc is pretty freaky, and for banks to allow it, I don't like it
[22:41] <G> We need the Australian BPay (with enhancements) system to be honest


[23:49] <ekennedy80> Does anyone know why Netbeans (located in the software repo) no longer works on Ubuntu 18.04?
[23:51] <wgrant> ekennedy80: You probably want #ubuntu+1
[23:52] <ekennedy80> Yea... I posted there as well


[11:01] <mzanetti> ltinkl, hey, checklist! https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/integrated_lightdm_refactor/+merge/260588
[11:01] <mzanetti> :)
[11:01] <ltinkl> oy
[11:02] <ltinkl> mzanetti, to my defense, this was long ago ;) even before I started
[11:02] <mzanetti> :)
[11:02] <mzanetti> granted
[11:29] <mzanetti> cimi, hey, can you fix this one? http://i.imgur.com/OPVOm5P.jpg
[11:30] <cimi> mzanetti, try changing to us i18n
[11:30] <mzanetti> ?
[11:30] <cimi> mzanetti, shorter words :D
[11:32] <mzanetti> cimi, this is nothing yet :D. look at this: http://i.imgur.com/Be9AHyV.jpg
[11:32] <cimi> omg
[11:33] <mzanetti> although I would say the translation isn't really good
[11:33] <mzanetti> anyhow, the proper one wouldn't be much shorter
[11:33] <davmor2> mzanetti: just use shorter words
[11:33] <mzanetti> another solution would be to not use Google, right?
[11:45] <ltinkl> mzanetti, cimi : wrap the text in 2 lines?
[11:45] <mzanetti> yeah, or elide it at least
[11:45] <ltinkl> and yes, I've seen that too
[11:45] <ltinkl> in the Czech translation
[11:46] <ltinkl> although not as bad :)
[11:46] <greyback> might not be a bad idea to clip the scope while switching between scopes
[11:47] <cimi> greyback, and performance?
[11:47] <cimi> greyback, scope switching is already slow
[11:48] <cimi> greyback, anyway, will be fixed with scopes as apps
[11:49] <greyback> cimi: clipping a single big rect will have tiny impact. Clipping is bad if you do it in list/gridview delegates, where lots of delegates are on screen (breaks batching)
[11:49] <greyback> but yeah
[11:50] <mzanetti> cimi, well no.. .the label still shouldn't reach out of the shape
[11:50] <greyback> wtf, why is there Scottish Gaelic as a language option, but no Irish Gaelic!
[11:53] <greyback> hmm there must be one guy doing the scottish gaelic translation. it's pretty good, just a few errors
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, are you using the MockMirSurfaceItem?
[12:17] <dednick> dandrader: in my work yes
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, I didn't detect this error as I'm only using the FakeMirSurfaceItem
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, I found it much easier to use a fake than a google mock
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, but, I'll fix it then
[12:18] <dandrader> s/but/but ok
[12:18] <dednick> dandrader: i need to verify that a call is made on the surface
[12:18] <dandrader> dednick, sure
[12:20] <dednick> mzanetti, greyback: i'm getting a very strange crash in the QSGRenderThread, but can't get a stack. any idea how to get a decent stack from that?
[12:21] <dednick> if i use a mousearea, it crashes, if i use a ubuntu button it doesnt. :/
[12:22] <mzanetti> odd
[12:22] <mzanetti> dednick, not sure why you don't get a stack trace, however, one difference that comes to my mind is that the ubuntu button takes activeFocus, while the mouseArea doesn't
[12:22] <dednick> and only on device, not desktop.
[12:22] <dandrader> dednick, dumb question: do you have the debug symbols installed?
[12:22] <dednick> some of them. qt5quick5-dbgsym is
[12:23] <dednick> and core & gui
[12:23] <dandrader> dednick, you also need glib
[12:23]  * dandrader looks for his notes
[12:24] <dednick> dandrader: have that as well
[12:24] <dandrader> dednick, you need these: libc6-dbg libdbus-glib-1-2-dbg libglib2.0-0-dbg qtbase5-dbg qtdeclarative5-dbg libubuntu-app-launch2-dbgsym
[12:24] <dandrader> dednick, I made this list a while ago. might not be up to date anymore
[12:24] <dednick> hm. maybe because i'm using dbgsym
[12:25] <dandrader> I only used dednick dbgsym for packages that don't have a -dbg...
[12:27] <dednick> will give it a try
[12:31] <dandrader> dednick, the tons of deprecation warnings we are getting comes from the indicators. it seems that unity8 loads the indicators from somewhere else. where's this code?
[12:35] <greyback> dednick: qtdeclarative5-dbg the main one you'd need for a renderer crash, libglib2.0-0-dbg good too for tracing down into the event loop
[12:37] <greyback> dednick: usual reason for a renderer crash would be if a surface buffer has been deleted before it was removed from the scenegraph on the render thread
[12:49] <dandrader> greyback, can we get https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/improve-resize/+merge/258912 in?
[12:49] <greyback> dandrader: superceded?
[12:49] <dandrader> greyback, I mean https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/improve-resize/+merge/260950
[12:50] <greyback> dandrader: yeah ok, I'll give it a quick check
[12:50] <greyback> want to land a few things
[12:50] <dednick> dandrader: a lot of the indicator items are in ubuntu-settings-components
[12:51] <greyback> dandrader: src/ubuntumirclient/input.cpp has nativeEventTypeToStr commented out. Should it just be removed?
[12:51] <dandrader> greyback, it's useful when you want to debug things
[12:52] <greyback> dandrader: :how about #ifndef QT_NO_DEBUG ?
[12:52] <dandrader> greyback, not enough. it will complain about unused function
[12:53] <dandrader> greyback, but I don't care much. can remove if you want to
[12:53] <greyback> dandrader: it's used by the DLOG, which is also commented out. Can fix it with the QT_NO_DEBUG ifndef
[12:54] <greyback> it looks useful, let's not lose it
[12:54] <dandrader> greyback, I would also have to uncoment the DLOG, which will make debugging very verbose by default
[12:54] <greyback> dandrader: DLOG only prints if built with debug mode
[12:55] <greyback> #if !defined(QT_NO_DEBUG)
[12:55] <greyback> #define DLOG(...) LOG(__VA_ARGS__)
[12:55] <greyback> #else
[12:55] <greyback> #define DLOG(...) qt_noop()
[12:55] <dandrader> greyback, yes, but it will still make debug logs very verbose by default
[12:55] <dandrader> greyback, debug logs in debug builds
[12:55] <greyback> dandrader: debug mode is not the default
[12:56] <greyback> that's a dev's problem :)
[12:56] <greyback> if you need to go in to uncomment a useful chunk of code, you can also go in to comment out a DLOG line that's useless
[12:58] <dandrader> greyback, didn't quite get you. the thing is: I usually don't want those "UbuntuInput::customEvent(type=%s)" messages printed on every single event when I'm debugging qtubuntu
[12:59] <dandrader> greyback, and that's why it's commented out. it's too verbose
[12:59] <greyback> dandrader: ok, it'll do, leave it
[13:02] <dandrader> greyback, to make things prettier I could surround nativeEventTypeToStr and that DLOG with a "#if VERBOSE_DEBUG" or something...
[13:03] <greyback> dandrader: only if you want to. It's not worth arguing about :)
[13:03] <greyback> dednick: are you using this: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/window-close-support/+merge/249579 ? If itt's ok, please approve it and I'll try landing now
[13:04] <dednick> greyback: ya. ok
[13:04] <greyback> ta
[13:04] <dednick> greyback: done
[13:05] <dandrader> greyback, hmmm there's already a "#define LOG_EVENTS 0" there, which I can use
[13:06] <greyback> dandrader: again, only if you want to. It's too minute a detail to really care about
[13:07] <dandrader> doing it alread
[13:07] <dandrader> already
[13:07] <greyback> :)
[13:08] <dandrader> done
[13:09] <dednick> weird. not crashing now :/
[13:11] <dednick> oh. that's because the problem is in media-hub/qtubuntu-media which were downgraded on reflash
[14:43] <greyback> dednick: you don't get any stacktrace? or the stacktrace is useless - no valid frames?
[14:44] <dednick> greyback: just a bunch of ?
[14:44] <dednick> 2 to be exact
[14:44] <greyback> dednick: ok, gdb unable to figure out the trace
[14:44] <dednick> ya
[14:44] <greyback> that might imply it crashes in the android/hybris side
[14:44] <greyback> which gdb can't figure out, as different ABI
[14:50] <greyback> dednick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Core/UbuntuDebugAndroid if you fancy a go
[14:50] <dednick> greyback: cool. thanks
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, do you know about these errors? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity8-wily-i386-ci/94/console
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, "tests/plugins/Utils/modeltest.h	LGPL (v2.1)	*No copyright*" etc
[14:52] <mzanetti> dandrader, yes, on it right now
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, is it a bug in the script?
[14:52] <mzanetti> dandrader, the licensecheck tool was updated and fails when a / is in the copyright line
[16:58] <dandrader> greyback, kgunn, I think I can't work on the shell cursor yet. mir doesn't have a mouse input event type. I has only pointer.
[17:02] <greyback> dandrader: you'd best liaise with racarr/anpok to describe your requirements and get them on that job
[19:32] <fisch246> is fullscreen boderless window support coming to unity8? windows in windowed mode that takes up the entire screen and overlap the top panel.
[19:33] <fisch246> it's a feature used by video games
[19:34] <fisch246> honestly the only thing stopping me from playing games on ubuntu
[19:36] <bschaefer> a normal fullscreen app will remove this IIRC (when i was testing some SDL stuff on unity8)
[19:36] <bschaefer> just like how the camera app works
[19:36] <bschaefer> ie. no border
[19:36] <fisch246> yea but a fullscreen app requires me to alt tab in order to get access to my second screen
[19:37] <fisch246> so if i'm waiting for friends to join me in a game, i'd have to alt tab just to accept their skype call
[19:37] <bschaefer> then im not sure :), i've not seen if theres a borderless option atm
[19:38] <bschaefer> also IIRC, fullscreen in mir will not change the res of the screen it self
[19:39] <bschaefer> soo that means in a sense they are already fullscreen borderless, the window just have to be the right size
[19:39] <bschaefer> as far as mouse grabbing there wont be any of that, and its still in the works on how relative mouse support will work
[19:40] <bschaefer> soo you'll just need to move your mouse over to skype and all will work
[19:40] <fisch246> oh that sounds nice
[19:40] <bschaefer> still some things that need to work out for games :)
[19:41] <fisch246> i hope wine will work the same way. if you fullscreen wine it can freak out the display
[19:41] <fisch246> no idea if it does it for the beta
[19:41] <bschaefer> i dont think wine works on unity8 atm sooo i've clue how that'll even work
[19:41] <fisch246> ha true
[19:42] <fisch246> oh one last question, not sure if this is the place for it. as for snappy desktop, i assume it will eventually merge back into the current branch when it's ready right?
[19:43] <bschaefer> hmm #snappy might have a better answer
[19:43]  * bschaefer isn't really sure :)
[19:43] <fisch246> ah okay thanks
[19:43] <fisch246> i assume it's #ubuntu-snappy
[19:43] <bschaefer> np! Hopefully they have an answer there, im just on #snappy, idk if #ubuntu-snappy exists


[20:02] <Guestagain20> I accidentlatty got banned from #ubuntu
[20:02] <Guestagain20> can someone tell me how to get unbanned
[20:02] <Guestagain20> i pasted a terminal reply that was apparently too long
[20:03] <krytarik> Yes, but three times.. :/
[20:03] <Guestagain20> anybody?
[20:04] <krytarik> Do you read me?
[20:04] <Guestagain20> Yes I do
[20:05] <krytarik> So I'm willing to unban you, but please do use a pastebin site the next time..
[20:05] <Guestagain20> yes I got told about that after I got banned
[20:05] <Guestagain20> Thank you
[20:06] <krytarik> No, you got told while getting muted two times before too.
[20:06] <Guestagain20> oh yes I was not aware that's the reason for ban
[20:06] <Guestagain20> I was informed that later but still my bad
[20:07] <krytarik> Ok, hold on..
[20:08] <krytarik> Ban lifted, try joining again now.
[20:08] <Guestagain20> Thank you
[20:08] <Guestagain20> appreciate your help
[20:08] <krytarik> Yw!
[20:08] <Guestagain20> Cannot send to nick/channel
[20:09] <Guestagain20> i get this back
[20:09] <Guestagain20> its working
[20:09] <Guestagain20> thank you
[20:09] <Guestagain20> thank you again
[20:11] <krytarik> Sure, and please leave this channel now to make room for potential other issues.
[20:12] <Guestagain20> okay


[22:59] <ssbob> howdy folks, got a Edubuntu 13.04 question. Trying to test it on vbox and after the install I am unable to login as myself or the guest login
[23:00] <ssbob> some message displays on the screen but it flashes back to the login GUI too fast to read it
[23:03] <phillw> ssbob: as the topic says, please be patient.
[23:04] <ssbob> of course
[23:04] <phillw> edubuntu is highly regarded, but has few 'full time' people.
[23:04] <stgraber> ssbob: what kind of session was that? unity or fallback?
[23:05] <ssbob> unity
[23:05] <ssbob> the default, this is right after a full install.
[23:05] <stgraber> well, you can choose between the two during the install, so that's why I asked ;)
[23:05] <stgraber> anyway, can you try with fallback? (may be called Gnome Classic)
[23:05] <ssbob> ok I will try it
[23:05] <stgraber> you should be able to select it from the login screen
[23:06] <ssbob> yep thanks for the help
[23:09] <ssbob> thanks stgraber I figured it out, GNOME Fallback was kicking me back to the login screen, while the other two options seemed to work. Odd
[23:10] <stgraber> I'll mention that to highvoltage since he's been doing fallback stuff lately
[23:10] <ssbob> I will file the bug and indicate what I found
[23:13] <phillw> ssbob: thanks. there is a simple rule for bugs... discussing a bug does not raise a bug report :)
[23:19] <phillw> stgraber: as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs would ssbob be best to report this as an 'x' bug?
[23:21] <stgraber> phillw: no
[23:22] <stgraber> file it against edubuntu-desktop for now
[23:22] <phillw> stgraber: thanks.
[23:22] <phillw> ssbob: did you get that?
[23:24] <ssbob> ok thanks
[23:26] <phillw> stgraber: thanks for your time on this. Whilst I am firmly in favour of edubuntu and am shamed for not being able to spend more time on the team, I will help out wherever I can.


[01:57] <aldo> hi all..  by any chnace do you know how a missing tile bar in fire fox... i've been looking into the ask ubuntu forums but no answer...  I tried removing fire fox but the issue persist
[01:58] <holstein> aldo: you are missing what?
[01:58] <holstein> removing firefox would do that.. remove the application.. i would try running the guest user, and see if whatever that behavior is exists in the guest account
[01:59] <holstein> if it does, then, you know its a system wide thing.. if firefox is normal in the guest account, then, you can assume its the .config in your users /home that is the issue..
[02:00] <aldo> the title bar ...  or the window title
[02:00] <aldo> ok
[02:00] <aldo> I will try that
[02:05] <aldo> Ok here it is how I know I'm tired...  for some reason the window are poping out too high in the so the panel 1 at the top covers the window title.. also it shows how novice I'm in ubuntu.. lol
[02:05] <aldo> thanks a lot for your support...
[02:05] <holstein> sure.. anytime
[02:05] <holstein> glad you got it working the way you want
[02:06] <aldo> me too...
[02:06] <aldo> -.)
[02:06] <aldo> :)


[00:50] <mmikowski> Schmo> fwiw, it still sounds like this may be fast boot, which IIRC can prevent the needed initialization for some peripherals like keyboard or mouse.
[05:39] <pickanick>  OS is (Operating System: Kubuntu 22.04 KDE Plasma Version: 5.24.7 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.92.0 Qt Version: 5.15.3)
[05:41] <pickanick> I have an internal wireless card that when used there are frequent errordumps in dmesg ending with ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested.
[05:42] <pickanick> I tried to attach external USB wireless devices, and they seem to be recognized in dmesg, however I do not see an interface for disabling the internal wireless and using the USB wireless. How can I do that?
[05:43] <arraybolt3> pickanick: If the internal and external wireless devices have different chipsets, you can probably use modprobe to unload the driver for the internal card.
[05:43] <pickanick> System Settings : Connections seems to be hardware independent aside from segregating wired and wireless and bluetooth.
[05:44] <arraybolt3> pickanick:
[05:44] <arraybolt3> Actually, go to that Network Connections page.
[05:44] <arraybolt3> Click on your WiFI network, and select the WiFi tab, then open "Restrict to device".
[05:44] <arraybolt3> See if you can select the right adapter in there.
[05:56] <pickanick> Hmm. only one device appears as an option
[05:56] <pickanick> the internal network.
[05:57] <arraybolt3> Maybe your USB WiFi doesn't have the right drivers installed?
[05:57] <arraybolt3> Many USB WiFi devices use a Realtek chipset, which is notoriously difficult to get working with Linux (though it is possible).
[05:57] <pickanick> quite possibly, I have not used them before, yes Realtek
[05:58] <arraybolt3> Yeah, you'll probably have to figure out the chipset, then find a trusted GitHub repo with a driver you can build from source.
[05:58] <arraybolt3> That's generally the way I've seen it done.
[06:00] <pickanick> Ugh. does anyone make a usb wifi that works out of the box? I have one internal and two USB all Realtek
[06:00] <arraybolt3> Yeah, there's a whole list, lemme find it.
[06:01] <arraybolt3> pickanick:
[06:01] <arraybolt3> https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/USB_WiFi_Adapters_that_are_supported_with_Linux_in-kernel_drivers.md
[06:01]  * arraybolt3 keeps hitting Enter rather than Shift...
[06:04] <jj5> hi there. how come Kubuntu 22.04.1 LTS is only supported until April 2025 while Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS is supported until April 2027?
[06:04] <jj5> I'm getting my information from here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[06:04] <jj5> and here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[06:04] <pickanick> arraybolt3 thank you.  It turns out one of my USB's popped up in Restrict to device, which I didn't realize was there until you pointed it out.  So I'll try that, and if that fails I'll look into the list of other options.
[06:04] <jj5> I mean here: https://ubuntu.com/download/server
[06:05] <arraybolt3> jj5: Because there's only so much work that Kubuntu developers can do. Ubuntu has *way* more developers behind it than Kubuntu does - the work of maintaining an LTS release for just 3 years is pretty hard. An extra 2 years would make it more difficult to make new releases good.
[06:05] <arraybolt3> Basically Canonical takes care of the Ubuntu base, then the flavors are made by the community.
[06:06] <arraybolt3> Canonical has the manpower to keep releases good for 5 years (actually they can do up to 10 years but they charge for the extended support). Kubuntu... not so much so.
[06:06] <jj5> arraybolt3: yeah, I didn't mean to complain or be ungrateful, the reason for my question is that lsb_release -a says Ubuntu and my /etc/apt/sources.list says Ubuntu
[06:06] <arraybolt3> jj5: It's no problem, I didn't take it as a complaint.
[06:07] <arraybolt3> jj5: Technically, Ubuntu uses mostly packages from the Main repository (it might be all Main, but I'm not sure), while Kubuntu uses packages from Universe. Canonical keeps the packages in Main up-to-date for a full five years, while the community generally only works on Universe packages for three years per release.
[06:08] <arraybolt3> (To be clear, all flavors use a lot of packages from the Main repo too, it's just that things like the KDE desktop and apps are in the Universe repository.)
[06:08] <jj5> ah, cool. that makes sense, thanks.
[06:08] <jj5> can you just install kde-plasma on a Ubuntu Server installation and get the Ubuntu LTS to 2027?
[06:09] <arraybolt3> No, because the KDE Plasma stuff is in Universe.
[06:09] <jj5> interesting
[06:09] <arraybolt3> It's the same packages whether you use Kubuntu or start with Ubuntu Server and install KDE after the fact. And those packages are taken care of by the developers for three years.
[06:09] <arraybolt3> (Per release, I mean.)
[06:10] <jj5> okay, good to know, thank you
[06:10] <arraybolt3> Sure thing!
[06:11] <jj5> so if I install kde-plasma on an Ubuntu Server can I say that I'm running Kubuntu?
[06:11] <arraybolt3> Yep.
[06:12] <jj5> great, thanks! :)
[06:32] <jj5> I'm trying to understand the apt repository setup, there's urls for jammy{-updates,-backports} but not jammy-security, this doesn't work: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-security/allpackages
[06:32] <jj5> but jammy-security is an option in my sources.list
[06:33] <jj5> a url that does work for example is this one: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/allpackages
[06:33] <jj5> the jammy and jammy-backports urls also work
[06:40] <alkisg1> jj5: packages.ubuntu.com is a web site that is unrelated to apt repositories. They show information, but you don't download from there
[06:41] <alkisg1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy-security universe means you'd use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ to download the packages; there's a jammy-security folder there
[06:41] <alkisg1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy-security/
[06:42] <jj5> alkisg1: thanks, but my question is why is jammy-security missing from the packages.ubuntu.com website?
[06:43] <alkisg1> jj5: that's an internal thing of canonical, e.g. maybe the security team workflow needs to be faster and doesn't align with the team that maintains that site
[06:43] <alkisg1> It's just a web site though, it shouldn't affect anything you do with apt
[06:44] <jj5> alkisg1: understood, thanks. is there some place I can look to see what's in jammy-security? I'd like to have a complete understanding.
[06:47] <alkisg1> jj5: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/11/how-to-list-all-packages-in-repository.html
[06:47] <alkisg1> There's a synaptic version there, and a command line version; use the second one first
[06:48] <jj5> alkisg1: cool, thanks!
[06:50] <alkisg1> jj5: if you prefer to see them as files, they're in there:  /var/lib/apt/lists/
[06:50] <alkisg1> You can open whatever file you want from there and parse it if you need something scripted
[06:51] <jj5> alkisg1: good to know, thank you
[09:04] <alkisg1> Because you can access your router but your router can't access the internet?
[09:23] <user|83> New to Linux, can someone explain 22.04 LTS vs 22.10 Current version?  Do the features in the current version get rolled into the LTS version over time?
[09:27] <arraybolt3> user|83: OK, so...
[09:28] <arraybolt3> user|83: Ubuntu isn't just the OS, but also includes an entire suite of applications in a repository. Most of the time, when you install software into Ubuntu, you use this repository.
[09:28] <arraybolt3> user|83: The versions of software in the repository usually aren't updated, but rather, bugfixes and security fixes are backported to the older versions of software as needed and as possible.
[09:29] <arraybolt3> user|83: This means that you always use older but fixed versions of software, giving you a stable system that also stays secure.
[09:29] <arraybolt3> user|83: Each new version of Ubuntu comes with newer versions of software than the previous versions, giving you more features. So LTS will continue to get more and more *stable* over time, but it won't get new features in most instances. If you need new features, you use a newer release.
[09:30] <arraybolt3> The interim releases (like 22.10) get 9 months of support, then they go end-of-life and you're expected to upgrade. The LTS releases get 3 years of support for flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu. Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server, on the other hand, get 5 years of support. The support period is the time while bugfixes and security fixes are provided.
[09:31] <arraybolt3> Once a release goes out of support, updates will end, either partially or entirely.
[09:32] <arraybolt3> So basically, go with LTS if you need to keep a system secure, don't want to always be upgrading and reinstalling, and can live with older versions of software. Go with the latest release if you're willing to do the upgrade and reinstallaiton maintenance and need the newer versions of stuff.
[09:33] <arraybolt3> (There's a little bit more to some of this stuff, mainly Main/Restricted vs. Universe/Multiverse in the software repository, but most users don't need to worry about that sort of thing.)
[09:34] <iomari891> Greetings, I can't unlock te lock screen. Password not working. No error, just doesnt work. I have to go ti terminal and use "loginctl unlock-sessions". Any suggestions?
[09:34] <user|83> Thank you.  Is there a process for the upgrade of the interim releases or is the OS wiped and new version installed in its place?
[09:34] <arraybolt3> user|83: You can upgrade from an older version of Ubuntu without a total reinstall, using the do-release-upgrade tool. However it's highly recommended to make a backup of your system before trying to do that, since upgrades are known for going awry and you may end up needing to do a full reinstall by the end of it.
[09:35] <arraybolt3> iomari891: Is your system fully updated? I ran into this once but haven't for a while.
[09:35] <user|83> I see.  Thanks again.
[09:36] <iomari891> arraybolt3: kubuntu 22.10. BUt the problem started with 22.04
[09:36] <iomari891> fully updated
[09:37] <arraybolt3> iomari891: I wonder what the system logs say. Maybe you can look at the end of /var/log/syslog just after having the screenlocker fail like this to see if anything interesting gets logged there?
[09:42] <iomari891> arraybolt3: I'll try it now ....
[09:49]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk, if someone else knows what to make of the logs or has any idea, feel free to jump in
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:28] <cunguk_> hello world
 Hi, unfortunately I don't know English well and generally use a translator. But okay. The system began to take a lot of RAM. Literally 2/3 GB
[17:13] <rrr> okay I uninstalled hostapd
[17:13] <rrr> still nothing
[17:14] <rrr> I also rebooted. brb
[17:17] <rrr> okay It is back.
[17:17] <rrr> woo
[17:17] <rrr> thank you. your suggestions were most helpful.