[07:05] <trigx300> hey none of that in here
[07:05] <Neil3> depends on your cpu
[07:05] <Neil3> Tarkus
[07:05] <trigx300> this isnt that kind of chat
[07:05] <max300> dose anyone know how to use a ps2 emu.
[07:05] <Neil3> those filthy italians!!!
[07:05] <max300> im italian
[07:06] <Neil3> exactly
[07:06] <nanomad> me too...
[07:06] <nanomad> we aren't all the same
[07:06] <Neil3> max300 is enforcing a bad stereotype :(
[07:06] <nanomad> max300, go to #ubuntu-it
[07:06] <trigx300> I agree
[07:06] <nanomad> Neil3, i see....
[07:06] <max300> can u repete that in english
[07:06] <trigx300> i think ill go upstairs and kick his ass
[07:06] <kaha> hehe
[07:06] <nanomad> vai nel canale #ubuntu-it
[07:07] <max300> ci sono gia andato
[07:07] <nanomad> lol
[07:07] <max300> lolololo
[07:07] <trigx300> write /join #ubuntu.it
[07:08] <trigx300> i mean write /join #ubuntu-it
[07:08] <nanomad> he already went there...
[07:08] <nanomad> stunning
[07:10] <max300> k im here+
[07:10] <nanomad> me too
[07:10] <max300> wat do i doo
[07:11] <nanomad> chat in the OTHER channel. parla in #ubuntu-it
[07:12] <thoreauputic> trigx300,max300,  duplication is all very well, but it's a bit transparent, isn't it?
[07:14] <d33p> what happened with the fglrx-driver package that is in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto? how can I install the ati drivers into my ubuntu know?
[07:15] <nandi> any one knows the "unable to find ubuntu via gethostname() error in sudo
[07:15] <thoreauputic> nandi: you've changed your hostname, right?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> hmm - quick visit !
[07:16] <Deus> How supprotive is ubuntu with wlan cards
[07:16] <Deus> ?
[07:16] <d33p> why in ubuntuguide.org there is help for nvidia drivers but not for ati? :(
[07:17] <PacoBCN> ubuntuguide isn't official
[07:17] <thoreauputic> d33p: ask the author
[07:17] <rel> Deus, as supportive as ndiswrapper and others are I guess
[07:17] <PacoBCN> however you will find help about ATI cards in the forum
[07:17] <PacoBCN> even some howto
[07:17] <d33p> PacoBCN, thanks going to search the forum
[07:18] <PacoBCN> d33p ;)
[07:18] <d33p> thoreauputic, no prob, just wondering
[07:18] <thoreauputic> d33p: :)
[07:18] <PacoBCN> hey, people, I have a question
[07:18] <Deus> Where can i change the startup to logon with kde
[07:18] <PacoBCN> do you know about any way to deal with monkey's audio files? Ape and cue?
[07:19] <d33p> PacoBCN, ubuntuforums.org you meant?
[07:19] <PacoBCN> d33p, yes
[07:19] <d33p> PacoBCN, ok thanks
[07:19] <trigx300> Thoreaputic- duplication?
[07:19] <PacoBCN> d33p: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567&highlight=howto+ati
[07:20] <trigx300> what do you mean?
[07:21] <njan> hmm. How would I find out what the previous version of alsa-base to this one was in order to reverT?
[07:22] <njan> nm, got it :)
[07:23] <d33p> PacoBCN, it mentions the wiki page that says to install flgx-driver but my apt-cache doesn't found suck package nor none similar
[07:23] <d33p> PacoBCN, eres de barcelona?
[07:24] <PacoBCN> d33p, as es
[07:24] <d33p> PacoBCN, yo soy un canario viviendo en madrid =)
[07:25] <PacoBCN> d33p, encantado, y suerte con Ubuntu, que es un placer de distro ;)
[07:25] <d33p> PacoBCN, llevo meses con ella pero hoy he empezado a aprender a programar opengl y claro... ahora si necesito el driver de ati
[07:25] <d33p> creo que llevo desde octubre del a?o pasado
[07:26] <Tarkus> if i am using windows XP proffesional, Pentium4, 2.8GHz, 500MB RAM, 80GB HDD, geForce MX 4000. What should i download to burn onto a cd to make a Live CD??
[07:26] <PacoBCN> as es
[07:26] <PacoBCN> pero algunos lo tenamos antes
[07:26] <PacoBCN> tenamos la testing
[07:26] <nanomad> Have u got a cd burner?
[07:26] <Tarkus> yes
[07:26] <d33p> PacoBCN, afortunado ;)
[07:26] <nanomad> so, assuming u have nero.....
[07:27] <PacoBCN> no, me enter por casualidad justo cuando quera probar una distro nueva
[07:27] <Tarkus> yup
[07:27] <Tarkus> what should i download tho?
[07:27] <d33p> PacoBCN, que casualidad, me alegro, es muy buena...
[07:27] <d33p> PacoBCN, tienes una tarjeta ati?
[07:27] <nanomad> just try to download the iso....
[07:27] <nanomad> and then burn it
[07:27] <nanomad> simple ....
[07:27] <Tarkus> lol, i dont know where it is
[07:27] <nanomad> ok, i will post the link then. wait a minut
[07:28] <Tarkus> ok thank you nanomad
[07:28] <d33p> PacoBCN, tal vez no tengo las fuentes necesarias para tener ese paquete... me pegas tu apt-sources en un privado?
[07:28] <PacoBCN> no, una nvidia
[07:28] <PacoBCN> estoy en hoary, yo
[07:28] <PacoBCN> t?
[07:28] <d33p> PacoBCN, creo que tambien
[07:28] <PacoBCN> creo?
[07:28] <nanomad> Tarkus,  Are u from Canada (so i can choose the best mirror...)?
[07:28] <Tarkus> yes
[07:29] <nanomad> ok
[07:29] <Tarkus> i am in Canada/Quebec/montreal
[07:29] <PacoBCN> escribe "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:29] <d33p> PacoBCN, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse
[07:29] <d33p> PacoBCN, hoary si
[07:29] <sigglet> Tarkus: you do any goose or duck hunting up there?
[07:30] <nanomad> ok here is the link:
[07:30] <PacoBCN> ok, te las pego
[07:30] <nanomad> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[07:30] <Tarkus> thanks
[07:30] <d33p> PacoBCN, ok gracias
[07:30] <PacoBCN> nadas
[07:31] <ubuntudave> Hi all - can anyone help with apt-get problem?
[07:31] <nanomad> every1
[07:31] <sigglet> ubuntud00d: ask
[07:32] <ubuntudave> getting 'broken pipe' and 'error code (1)' with apache stuff
[07:32] <sigglet> upgrading?
[07:32] <sigglet> or fresh install of apache stuff?
[07:32] <ubuntudave> installing apache
[07:32] <ubuntudave> following guide at ubuntuguide.org
[07:33] <ubuntudave> fresh but was adding php apache when problem occured
[07:34] <ubuntudave> is there a way to rollback all apach/php installs and rety?
[07:35] <sigglet> yes
[07:35] <sigglet> apt-get --purge remove packagename
[07:35] <sigglet> that will remove even the config files ubuntud00d
[07:35] <sigglet> err
[07:35] <sigglet> ubuntudave:
[07:35] <ubuntudave> okay going to give that a go now - thanks sigglet
[07:35] <sigglet> yup
[07:35] <neighborlee> anyone yet why gftp isn't installable anymore and if a fix is in order ? ;-))
[07:36] <neighborlee> -know- why ..;-))
[07:36] <sigglet> neighborlee: what do you mean isn't installable anymore
[07:36] <sigglet> I still have it
[07:36] <neighborlee> it will not install in synaptic
[07:36] <sigglet> just upgraded it 2 days ago as a matter of fact
[07:36] <sigglet> what version?
[07:36] <neighborlee> I get errors about wrong vesrions of programs
[07:36] <sigglet> sig@idaho:~ $ gftp -v
[07:36] <sigglet> gFTP 2.0.17
[07:36] <neighborlee> checking
[07:37] <sigglet> neighborlee: you can try this: apt-get --purge remove gftp
[07:37] <sigglet> and then: apt-get install gftp
[07:37] <neighborlee> 2.0.17-6
[07:37] <neighborlee> sigglet, ok
[07:37] <sigglet> neighborlee: you using hoary?
[07:37] <eikke> how to tell apt-get I'm not on hdc but on hdb now, which makes it error out when trtying to generate an initrd?
[07:37] <neighborlee> sigglet, nope
[07:37] <sigglet> odd
[07:38] <neighborlee> although i'm aware its borked in hoary..seems what borked it there borks in everywhere ;(
[07:38] <sigglet> neighborlee: well try the: apt-get --purge remvoe gftp     then: apt-get install gftp
[07:38] <neighborlee> k here goes
[07:38] <ubuntudave> sigglet, 'E: Command line option 'p' [from -purge]  is not known.
[07:38] <ubuntudave> '
[07:38] <neighborlee> sigglet, no luck same errors
[07:39] <neighborlee> should I pm you or paste here or in #flood or...
[07:39] <sigglet> --purge
[07:39] <sigglet> apt-get --purge remove gftp
[07:39] <neighborlee> sigglet, yes thats what I used
[07:39] <neighborlee> made no difference
[07:39] <sigglet> let me see the output from your cmd line
[07:39] <neighborlee> here ?
[07:40] <sigglet> in #linuxdojo would be fine
[07:40] <neighborlee> ok
[07:40] <thor|afk> apt-get remove --purge
[07:43] <Kallicat> anyone know about setting up hotsync for a Palm?
[07:43] <ubuntudave> if i run apt-get i get told "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[07:43] <ubuntudave> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:43] <ubuntudave>   apache-common: Depends: apache-utils (>= 1.3.33-3)
[07:43] <ubuntudave> "
[07:44] <kingsley> What's the proper way to disable xscreensaver?
[07:45] <ubuntudave> but if i do that i get the error: " trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd', which is also in package apache2-utilsdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:45] <ubuntudave> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:45] <ubuntudave>  /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-utils_1.3.33-3_i386.deb"
[07:45] <ubuntudave> does anyone have any ideas?
[07:45] <Confiskeus> what is the ununtu clan?
[07:45] <Confiskeus> *ubuntu
[07:48] <Zindar> ubuntudave: try to remove apache2-utils... then retry
[07:49] <ubuntudave> Zindar, trying that as we speak - i seem to be ending up in 'dependency' cycles and unable to remove anything =/
[07:49] <Tarkus> can u minimize the windows you have open in linux?
[07:49] <nandi> hi
[07:50] <Zindar> tarkus: of course
[07:50] <nandi> 2 questions
[07:50] <ubuntudave> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:50] <ubuntudave>   apache-common: Depends: apache-utils (>= 1.3.33-3)
[07:50] <ubuntudave>   apache2-common: Depends: apache2-utils (= 2.0.53-4ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed"
[07:50] <nandi> sudo error in warty
[07:50] <nandi> "unable to find ubuntu via gethostname()
[07:50] <Zindar> ubuntudave: remove apache-common, apache-utils....
[07:50] <Zindar> for starter
[07:50] <ubuntudave> okay
[07:51] <Zindar> nandi: check your /etc/hosts... do you have "ubuntu" in there?
[07:51] <ubuntudave> Zindar, apache-common remove fails: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:51] <ubuntudave>   libapache-mod-php4: Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.33) but it is not going to be installed"
[07:51] <nandi> ok
[07:51] <nandi> if yes then what
[07:51] <Zindar> nandi: type "host ubuntu"
[07:52] <Zindar> ubuntudave: well.. do you want apache1 or 2? if 2, then remove everything that depends on apache-common
[07:52] <nandi> Zindar: can i login in cli instead of gui
[07:52] <ubuntudave> Zindar, i'd go for 2 - but it seems impossible to remove the dependencies =/
[07:52] <Zindar> nandi: sure.. what's that has to do with anything
[07:53] <Zindar> ubuntudave: no.. it's doable... are you using apt-get remove?
[07:53] <ubuntudave> yeah - 'sudo apt-get --purge remove X'
[07:53] <nandi> Zindar: I am a old slack user hence the cli questiom
[07:53] <Zindar> ubuntudave: if your dependencies are really messed up, sometimes it helps running "dpkg -r"... if it's "-r".. this so
[07:53] <Zindar> nandi: sure.. go ahead
[07:53] <blah09> i have a question for the xfce users present =)
[07:54] <ubuntudave> okay thx will play about a bit more
[07:54] <nandi> Zindar: how do i do it
[07:55] <nandi> Zindar: instead of directly going to gnome let it go to cli
[07:55] <Zindar> nandi: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[07:58] <ubuntudave> hey Zindar thanks - seems to have removed everything now
[07:59] <Zindar> dave: good :)
[08:00] <xbaez> hi
[08:01] <xbaez> i'm a new user of ubuntu :)
[08:02] <Kallicat> same here... can't get my palm to sync after following the howto :)
[08:03] <SiRrUs> Kallicat same here
[08:03] <SiRrUs> I know it will work cause it does through mandrake
[08:04] <Kallicat> *nods* what kinda palm for you? mine's a zire 31
[08:05] <SiRrUs> zire 72
[08:05] <Kallicat> heh
[08:05] <SiRrUs> just got it had you model previous
[08:06] <Kallicat> *nods* yeah, they're good little toys
[08:06] <SiRrUs> :)
[08:06] <Kallicat> getting the palm up under linux is the last critical thing before I can go all linux
[08:07] <SiRrUs> Like I said I know its possible I had it working with mandrake using jpilot
[08:07] <Kallicat> yep
[08:08] <Kallicat> I tried a dmesg | less to see if any of the error messages looked relevant, but none of 'em rang a bell
[08:08] <Kallicat> not even to my two full time sysadmin buddies
[08:08] <SiRrUs> but there got to be a way
[08:08] <Kallicat> yah
[08:08] <Kallicat> did you find the right device id for yours?
[08:09] <SiRrUs> nope
[08:10] <Kallicat> hrm, that might be your probelm
[08:10] <Kallicat> *problem
[08:10] <Tarkus> do i just burn the file "warty-release-live-i386.iso" onto a cd to make the live cd??
[08:11] <thor|afk> Tarkus: make sure you burn it as a raw image
[08:11] <Tarkus> how?
[08:11] <thor|afk> Tarkus: else you'll just get an iso file
[08:12] <thor|afk> Tarkus: I'm not familiar with nero
[08:12] <Tarkus> im using roxio
[08:12] <thor|afk> but there's an option to burn as an image
[08:12] <Tarkus> roxio easy cd creator 5 platinum
[08:12] <Tarkus> ok ill find it
[08:12] <Tarkus> thanks
[08:12] <Zindar> tarkus: usually "burn image"...
[08:13] <qoke> hi.. ive read the faq re: getting Ubuntu running on MS Virtual PC, however, this reqs editing the XF86 config file
[08:13] <qoke> is there any way to get the Ubuntu LIVE working under virtual PC ?
[08:14] <qoke> (since the config file is static in the iso)
[08:14] <comfrey_work> anyone aware of firefox crashing issues?
[08:14] <comfrey_work> with warty?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> comfrey_work: I haven't had firefox probems, no
[08:15] <comfrey_work> interesting, i have 2 users on a multi-user system expereiancing crashes
[08:15] <binks> dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:15] <binks> dpkg: need an action option
[08:15] <binks> can someone help me plz
[08:16] <thoreauputic> comfrey_work: you might want to install the binary from mozilla.org for 1.0 , if you're comfortable with that
[08:16] <binks> hi all so rude of me again
[08:16] <comfrey_work> thoreauputic, good idea
[08:16] <comfrey_work> i may give that a whirl
[08:16] <qoke> sorry to ask again, but it there anyway to force X to load with 32bpp instead of 24bpp using Ubuntu LIVE ?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> comfrey_work: works well here
[08:19] <binks> has anyone an idea why i get the error with the dpkg cmd
[08:19] <binks> dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:19] <binks> dpkg: need an action option
[08:19] <qoke> try
[08:19] <qoke> dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:20] <Zindar> oh.. do you come from the rpm world?
[08:20] <binks> yes
[08:20] <Zindar> you NEVER force anything in debian/ubuntu
[08:20] <Zindar> :)
[08:20] <Zindar> that's a big no no
[08:20] <Zindar> :)
[08:20] <qoke> unless the source pkg is corrupted somehow.. in which case you've got more important things to worry about :)
[08:20] <binks> im just trying a tutorial from the forums to get the latest ati driers on
[08:21] <qoke> binks: try add that -i i suggested above, that should help
[08:21] <Zindar> bad tutorial.. where did you find it?
[08:21] <binks> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15990&page=2&pp=10&highlight=ati+drivers
[08:21] <Zindar> but you need the -i .. true
[08:21] <binks> so use the i but not the force overwrite bit
[08:21] <Zindar> I use the default ati-drivers... works fine for me
[08:21] <qoke> use both
[08:21] <binks> no 3d
[08:21] <qoke> dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:22] <qoke> a nice pkg *should* install without the force-overwrite.. but if the tut says you need it, put it in... (As Zindar explained, force-overwrite is _bad_ (tm) )
[08:23] <ogra> binks: is there any reason not to use the ubuntu fglrx driver ?
[08:23] <Kallicat> hrm, it looks like pilot-link package might have the necessary device code info for a zire series palm
[08:23] <Kallicat> dunno that it'd solve my problem tho
[08:23] <xtracto> hello, could someone help me mounting an external HD
[08:23] <xtracto> i have already everything done, i can mount it with root
[08:23] <binks> yes when i run tuxracer for me little boy the graphics are ll wrong
[08:23] <xtracto> but cant see it in user mode
[08:23] <xtracto> im mounting it in /mnt/disc directory
[08:23] <qoke> xtracto: you cant mount it as another user, or you cant access it ?
[08:24] <hawke_> Kallicat: There's nothing special about the zire
[08:24] <xtracto> the directory is 777
[08:24] <xtracto> I can mount it with any user
[08:24] <xtracto> but can NOT access it
[08:24] <xtracto> only with root
[08:24] <xtracto> i trid editing fstab
[08:24] <qoke> try unmount, chmod 0777 /mnt/disc, mount /mnt/disc; chmod 0777 /mnt/disc
[08:24] <xtracto> and adding user option
[08:24] <ogra> binks: hmm, so you try to install a 6.8.0 driver in hoary xorg 6.8.1 ? and expect that to work more proper then the tested drivers ?
[08:25] <ogra> hmmm
[08:25] <xtracto> nope, "you have no permissions to view contents"
[08:25] <binks> still in warty m8 not hoary
[08:25] <binks> dpkg: error processing fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb (--install):
[08:25] <binks>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:25] <binks> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:25] <binks>  fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:25] <ogra> with xorg ?
[08:25] <xtracto> the directory /mnt/disc is 777 when unmonted
[08:25] <qoke> and when mounted ?
[08:25] <xtracto> but when mounted is dr-x
[08:26] <xtracto> dr-x------
[08:26] <qoke> remove the user option, and chmod 0777 /mnt/disc when its mounted
[08:26] <xtracto> ok
[08:26] <xtracto> should I put any option??
[08:26] <qoke> defaults
[08:26] <xtracto> defaults, rw or somethng else??
[08:26] <xtracto> its a ntffs
[08:26] <xtracto> ntfs*
[08:26] <neighborlee> hey guys if anyone goes to install gftp..'gftp' alone wont work it gives dependency issues..you must use 'gftp-common' instead <<<...( sigglet )
[08:27] <qoke> umm, probably defaults, rw (i assume NTFS module still reqs. an explicit RW)
[08:27] <tarzeau> where do i forward bug reports about packages in ubuntu that i accidently get?
[08:27] <neighborlee> btw..why do some installed apps not show up in menus?..is it the app maintainers goof or what....? ;-))
[08:27] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: yes, and a dist-upgrade in warty wants to remove gftp
[08:28] <ogra> tarzeau: youre a DD ?
[08:28] <xtracto> i tried 'chmod 777 disc'
[08:28] <tarzeau> ogra: no i haven't said that
[08:28] <xtracto> read-only file system
[08:28] <xtracto> =oS
[08:28] <Kallicat> hawke: since my zire doesn't sync, it's kind of a problem for me...
[08:28] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: only the ubuntu supported ones show up, I think
[08:28] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, odd
[08:28] <ogra> tarzeau: so what kind of bugreports do you get ?
[08:28] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ahhh
[08:28] <tarzeau> ogra: for a debian package. i'm a debian maintainer
[08:28] <qoke> try mount -oremount,rw /mnt/disc
[08:28] <SiRrUs> Kallicat if your still here I just did any time apt-update there are updates for gnome pilot
[08:28] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: stuff from universe etc seems not to in general
[08:28] <qoke> then try chmod
[08:29] <xtracto> lol ok thnks
[08:29] <ogra> tarzeau: oh, so i should have asked for DM then ;)
[08:29] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, even before I upgraded gftp wouldn't install right
[08:29] <ogra> tarzeau, which package ?
[08:29] <tarzeau> ogra: cenon
[08:30] <xtracto> lol no luck.. I can see the contents with root
[08:30] <ogra> tarzeau: hmm, cant find it in ubuntu....
[08:30] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: I think someone has messed with the deps in some od way - only noticed it yesterday
[08:30] <xtracto> isnt it something in /dev/sda1???
[08:30] <Kallicat> sirrus: ok, I'll check apt to see if gnome-pilot updates fix me
[08:30] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I think so too yes
[08:30] <crypticreign> argh
[08:30] <hawke_> Kallicat: Any program that handles pilots should handle the zire
[08:30] <crypticreign> open office doesnt want to open any documents
[08:30] <crypticreign> it freezes up
[08:30] <tarzeau> ogra: don't ask me. the guy tells me he has ubuntu, and he has a problem. i have no idea what version, where from he gots the stuff
[08:30] <scorpix> how can i change the time to the local time ?
[08:30] <xtracto> just a thing, this disc has 3 partitions, and they are all ntfs
[08:30] <binks> ok if i upgrade to hoary will it install latest ati drivers
[08:30] <qoke> xtracto: not that im aware.. it may be the NTFS module..
[08:30] <SiRrUs> hawke_ we have unfortunately not been able to make ours work
[08:31] <xtracto> when i connected the disk, it recognizes 2 of them, and open sda4 and sda5
[08:31] <hawke_> SiRrUs: What model?
[08:31] <qoke> maybe try mount --bind /mnt/disc /mnt/disc2 (create disc2 drist and set perms)
[08:31] <SiRrUs> z 72
[08:31] <xtracto> ok ill try
[08:31] <xtracto> crap...
[08:31] <Kallicat> hawke: zire 31 here
[08:31] <xtracto> all my music is in that partition
[08:31] <xtracto> lol
[08:31] <SiRrUs> oops zire 72
[08:31] <xtracto> i want to listen to music!!
[08:31] <xtracto> =oS
[08:31] <hawke_> SiRrUs: Hmm, I have a '71
[08:31] <ogra> tarzeau: currently the appropriate way is to forward them to the ubuntu-users list currently, until our bugtracker is ready.... you can also drop in to #ubuntu-motu , we care for the universe packages...but anyway its a bit strange...
[08:31] <qoke> use disc3 then
[08:31] <qoke> or whatever
[08:32] <hawke_> SiRrUs: the only quirk is needing to tell apps to use ttyUSB1 rather than ttyUSB0
[08:32] <SiRrUs> hawke_ yours is working with ubuntu?
[08:32] <hawke_> SiRrUs: Yup
[08:32] <SiRrUs> hmmm
[08:33] <Kallicat> well, mine is set to ttyUSB1, and I followed the zire 31 howto, and it still doesn't work *g*
[08:33] <hawke_> Kallicat: well, I can't speak for a 31..
[08:33] <tarzeau> ogra: i can send to ubuntu-users without subscribing? what's the address if so?
[08:33] <hawke_> or a 72 really.
[08:33] <SiRrUs> I think i will try with this upgrade
[08:33] <qoke> umm question.. is Hoary meant to prompt for a root password to set ?
[08:33] <SiRrUs> the 31 71 and 72 should all be very similar
[08:34] <SiRrUs> i know the 31 and 72 are
[08:34] <ogra> tarzeau<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:34] <Alli> hi
[08:34] <Kallicat> yeah, but for the 31 you have to set a device ID and do some other stuff to config files
[08:34] <SiRrUs> hawke_ are you using jpilot?
[08:34] <ogra> tarzeau, you csan send without subscription, but will get a message that your mail needs listmaster approval
[08:34] <hawke_> SiRrUs: No, I've used kpilot and pilot-manager
[08:35] <SiRrUs> hawke_ kpilot so your running kde on your Ubuntu
[08:35] <xtracto> mmmm ...
[08:35] <xtracto> no, this doesnt works...
[08:35] <tarzeau> ogra: that's fine. sent
[08:35] <Alli> can anyone give me some advice how to start an own script at startup?
[08:36] <_thomas__> Im having a problem starting gnome. When i log in - the panels are drawn but then the system locks solid. no icons or menus, no cursor movement and i cant switch to a terminal. Ifi log into XFCE it works fine for about 30 seconds then i get the same problem. I think it may be a problem with one of the gtk libraries - any idea how i could track it down - which logs to view?
[08:36] <hawke_> SiRrUs: Not at the moment, no...but I have, and got it working there.
[08:36] <xtracto> what is the problem with this?? i disconnect and connect the usb drive again...
[08:36] <SiRrUs> ah ok
[08:36] <xtracto> 2 of the 3 partitions show
[08:36] <hawke_> _thomas__: What kernel?
[08:36] <xtracto> but no luck with my music
[08:36] <ogra> tarzeau, also we have a whishlist for packages.... if you want to handle the bug, tell the user to add it to UniverseCandidates in the wiki....if your package is included, the MOTU team will cae for ubuntu bugs
[08:36] <_thomas__> latest hoary
[08:37] <hawke_> _thomas__: Try adding 'noinotify' to your kernel command line in grub
[08:37] <hawke_> _thomas__: Or switch back to kernel 2.6.10-3
[08:37] <tarzeau> ogra: is motu an african word for bugfixer ?
[08:37] <hawke_> _thomas__: if you're using 2.6.10-4 that is.
[08:37] <_thomas__> ah yea - i did remember reading that it was a bit buggy - if it works, how can i help find the problem?
[08:38] <ogra> tarzeau: its the abbreviation of: masters of the universe :)
[08:38] <hawke_> _thomas__: I think the problem is known
[08:38] <xtracto> lol, now that i see, i have not sound also...
[08:38] <xtracto> =oS
[08:38] <ogra> tarzeau: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[08:38] <_thomas__> hawke_: ok - ill go try
[08:38] <_thomas__> thanks
[08:38] <hawke_> _thomas__: Yup, good luck
[08:39] <binks> do i just chage the warty bits to hoary in sources.list to upgrade
[08:39] <SiRrUs> binks yes
[08:39] <xtracto> does anyone know of another good distro based on debian??
[08:39] <crypticreign> can anyone get openoffice to work?
[08:39] <binks> then what do i do apt-get upgrade
[08:39] <SiRrUs> apt-get update
[08:40] <SiRrUs> dist-upgrade
[08:40] <binks> :)
[08:40] <neighborlee> I did  my smart upgrade and now when I click links in firefox to download something I'm getting a weird small window instead of the download dialogue box...whats causing and does anyone know of a fix ?LOL
[08:40] <binks> fingers crossed
[08:40] <thoreauputic> binks: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:40] <hawke_> xtracto: mepis
[08:40] <hawke_> crypticreign: Works fine here last I checked.
[08:40] <xtracto> ok thnks
[08:40] <binks> i have a fresh install so al should be ok lol
[08:40] <xtracto> I was using Mandrake
[08:40] <xtracto> but i wanted to try a distro based on debian
[08:41] <neighborlee> nm for now i'm just going to apt ephiphany
[08:41] <xtracto> I am in a HP pavilion laptop
[08:41] <zul> hehe
[08:41] <xtracto> so I think lots of distros wont work...
[08:41] <hawke_> xtracto: Mepis has a nice livecd with an installer, it's based around Debian and KDE.
[08:41] <xtracto> cool
[08:41] <xtracto> thnks
[08:41] <hawke_> xtracto: But the live CD will let you try it and make sure it works on your hardware
[08:42] <xtracto> cool
[08:42] <xtracto> i tried that with ubuntu but i thnk livecd is just a morphix based cd no?
[08:43] <xtracto> and anyway it wont boot up =oP
[08:44] <thoreauputic> xtracto: yes - i tried the live CD and it had major issues, but Warty installed fine
[08:44] <xtracto> well ppl, im back to Win, to download/burn/try Mepis
[08:44] <xtracto> happy hacking!
[08:44] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:44] <hawke_> xtracto: good luck
[08:44] <xtracto> u2 ... DC
[08:49] <marcin_ant> hi!
[08:49] <gstrummer> hello?
[08:49] <marcin_ant> I got a question about ppp connections
[08:49] <marcin_ant> I need to create ppp connection that will start on system boot
[08:50] <marcin_ant> how to do this?
[08:50] <gstrummer> I am trying to play some songs, but when I play them totem says cannot open file X
[08:51] <hawke_> marcin_ant: I can't remember, been a long time since I used PPP.  Unless you mean PPPoE
[08:51] <gstrummer> failed to open; erason unknown
[08:51] <gstrummer> it actually pops up twice
[08:51] <gstrummer> any ideas?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: just a guess, but if you used pppconfig to set it up, just ading the commans "pon" at the end of /etc/init,d/bootmisc.sh should work
[08:51] <hawke_> Does gnome pilot have any user interface, other than preferences?
[08:51] <crypticreign> hawke_: it works as good on hoary as it did on warty  - it startsup but thats it
[08:51] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: haven't tried it, but it's worth a go
[08:51] <marcin_ant> hawke: unfortunately not PPPoE I need this for GPRS connection
[08:52] <hawke_> marcin_ant: OK, can't help you then. :-)
[08:52] <marcin_ant> hawke: this connection is unlimited (time and bandwith) so it works simmilar to pppoe
[08:52] <morchuboo> hawke_: the noinotify option worked.. Thanks
[08:52] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: try my suggestion: set up with pppconfig then add pon to that script
[08:53] <hawke_> morchuboo: Awesome.
[08:53] <marcin_ant> hawke: but technically it is not pppoe
[08:53] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: ok thanks
[08:53] <hawke_> morchuboo: Should be fixed in the next (Ubuntu) kernel release.
[08:53] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: and another thing maybe you know how to make this connection to reconnect everytime it's broken?
[08:53] <morchuboo> hawke_: Thanks
[08:54] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: not really - but you could write a little script to do it when the ppp0 interface goes down, I suppose
[08:54] <thoreauputic> or ppp1 or whatever you have
[08:57] <Snipper_> hey anyone be able to help me with a usb problem
[08:58] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: ok trying... I'll write script and add it to cron maybe...
[08:58] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: thx
[08:58] <AcidWolf> is there something else i can use for email besides evolution cause its not working :(
[08:58] <AcidWolf> its being difficuilt
[08:58] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: I think it would need to be set to run when/if the ppp daemon ies
[08:58] <AcidWolf> grrrrrrrrr
[08:58] <thoreauputic> *dies
[08:59] <hawke_> AcidWolf: Mozilla?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[08:59] <AcidWolf> hmmm Mozilla eh
[08:59] <AcidWolf> tell me more of this Mozilla
[08:59] <hawke_> AcidWolf: either mozilla-firefox or mozilla-mailnews
[09:00] <AcidWolf> i have FireFox
[09:00] <AcidWolf> its webbrowser
[09:00] <AcidWolf> lol
[09:00] <rel> anything to burn dvd's with, except for k3b?
[09:00] <AcidWolf> or so i thought
[09:00] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: it is
[09:00] <thoreauputic> rel: gnomebaker
[09:00] <morchuboo> Snipper_: noone can help if you dont ask - tell us what's up and we will help if we can
[09:01] <thoreauputic> rel: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/   for ubuntu packages
[09:01] <Clas> I need help with install, I would like to do a network install
[09:01] <Clas> Is that possible
[09:01] <AcidWolf> thoreauputic how does firefox or thunder bird solve my issue
[09:02] <thoreauputic> thunderbird is a mail client
[09:02] <rel> thoreauputic, ok, ty. hope they have x64 packages
[09:02] <AcidWolf> oh
[09:02] <thoreauputic> rel: that I xdoubt :(
[09:02] <thoreauputic> I doubt
[09:02] <rel> thoreauputic, :(
[09:03] <rel> thoreauputic, then nothing left to install k3b and its clan of deps
[09:03] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[09:03] <thoreauputic> rel: or get the source and compile it
[09:03] <AcidWolf> hmmmmmm
[09:03] <AcidWolf> yes i did that
[09:03] <AcidWolf> its installing
[09:03] <thoreauputic> ok
[09:03] <AcidWolf> thank you :)
[09:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:03] <hawke_> rel: How about grave...something
[09:03] <thoreauputic> graveman
[09:04] <hawke_> yes
[09:04] <hawke_> Is that any good?
[09:04] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: thank you :)
[09:04] <rel> hawke, seen that, installed it. but version 0.3.8 sups dvd. and in repo onlt 0.3.6
[09:04] <AcidWolf> oh wow look @ that 4am
[09:04] <pignu> Hello, just got one question, How do I change X resolution?..   I figured out the wxPython problem.
[09:05] <FHacktor> how to hear music with flash in mozilla? i have the mozilla plugin in my system but i can't hear any music i think i need to install some codecs can someone help me plz?
[09:05] <rel> thoreauputic, wget source and then ./configure etc? or deb-src?
[09:05] <pignu> well, im down on a very low resolution, and from the gui, I can't change it to higher
[09:05] <hawke_> CountDown: Oh?  What was it?
[09:06] <ulisse> I'm having troubles with hoary, booting with the latest kernel gnome hangs after a while...
[09:06] <hawke_> FHacktor: Kill esound and/or polypaudio
[09:06] <ulisse> is it a known issue?
[09:06] <Kokey> pignu, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:06] <CountDown> hawke_: Turns out my PYTHONPATH variable wasn't set and wxPython2.4 didn't know how to deal with multiple installs of wxPython without it.
[09:06] <hawke_> ulisse: Yes.
[09:06] <ulisse> ok
[09:06] <Solarwinds> HI
[09:06] <Hexadecimal> Hello, Solarwinds.
[09:06] <hawke_> ulisse: Add "noinotify" to your kernel commandline in grub
[09:06] <morchuboo> ulisse: add noinotify to your kernel options
[09:06] <pignu> thx, ^_^
[09:07] <morchuboo> hawke_,  :P
[09:07] <Hexadecimal> Who can help me install a nic driver?
[09:07] <hawke_> morchuboo: :-)
[09:07] <Solarwinds> I would like to change the login splash, Need help...
[09:07] <hawke_> morchuboo: beat you by a smidgen
[09:07] <Kokey> hawke, what that do?
[09:07] <morchuboo> hawke: lol
[09:07] <CountDown> Kokey: What does what do?
[09:07] <hawke_> CountDown: Ah, that makes sense I suppose.  Fun fun.
[09:07] <hawke_> Kokey: Turns off inotify...
[09:07] <CountDown> hawke_: More fun than I was looking for, but at least everything works now.
[09:08] <rel> does inotify clash with gamin?
[09:08] <CountDown> hawke_: inotify is some sort of interrupt handler or something?
[09:08] <ulisse> hawke_, morchuboo : done, thanks. Now I'm ready for the next problem...
[09:08] <CountDown> rel: I think so.  I had problems with gamin before I added noinotify.
[09:08] <hawke_> rel: In kernel 2.6.10-4, there's something wrong...*shrug*
[09:08] <rel> CountDown, it traces fs changes on idone level
[09:09] <hawke_> CountDown: I think it's some sort of mechanism where the kernel notifies a process when a file changes.
[09:09] <CountDown> That makes sense.
[09:09] <ulisse> I can get nomore USB mass devices auto mounted, or better: they mount, but don't show in Computer:// or desktop
[09:09] <hawke_> CountDown: So you got picard to work?
[09:09] <rel> i know there is a patch for gamin to work with latetst inotify version
[09:10] <CountDown> hawke_: What is picard?  You mentioned that yesterday.
[09:10] <morchuboo> ulisse: thats a known problem - being worked on
[09:10] <ulisse> ok, I'll wait
[09:10] <hawke_> CountDown: Oh, n/m then...I figured that's what you were trying to use since you agreed when I mentioned it yesterday.  It's the next-gen musicbrainz tagger application.
[09:10] <ulisse> it is nice to know that I'm not alone :-)
[09:11] <hawke_> CountDown: It's the only thing I've seen that depends on wxpython2.5.3
[09:11] <CountDown> hawke_: Oh, right.  No, I just knew that it was wxPython-based.
[09:11] <CountDown> hawke_: My code depends on wxpython2.5.3.  :)
[09:11] <ulisse> morchuboo, is it the same issue for cdrom and dvd devices?
[09:11] <hawke_> CountDown: Gotcha.  What code is that? :-)
[09:12] <CountDown> hawke_: I'm writing a couple of things.  One is a featureful low-level serial port terminal.
[09:12] <morchuboo> ulisse: yep its a gamin problem
[09:12] <morchuboo> ulisse: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4066
[09:12] <CountDown> hawke_: Another is an interface for monitoring and controlling wireless sensor networks.
[09:12] <morchuboo> ulisse: and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5176
[09:13] <warty> .
[09:13] <ulisse> morchuboo, thanks a lot, now I'll stop annoyng you...
[09:13] <hawke_> CountDown: cool
[09:14] <CountDown> hawke_: Well, hopefully it will be when I'm finished.  :)
[09:14] <morchuboo> ulisse: np - its what we are all in here for - help out when we can
[09:14] <baluba> hi
[09:15] <DrArcHeH> how would i prevent partitions to be autodetected with the livecd?
[09:15] <DrArcHeH> or disable a specific harddisk?
[09:15] <DrArcHeH> can't find any option
[09:15] <morchuboo> DrArcHeH: unmount it afterwards?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> DrArcHeH: what are you trying to do?
[09:16] <DrArcHeH> well, one of my harddrives is damaged
[09:16] <ulisse> morchuboo, I know, but I should learn to search bugzilla before coming here :-)
[09:16] <DrArcHeH> and it makes the partition autodetection hang
[09:16] <neighborlee> my desktop background is working..I just added a new jpg via add wallpaper but it wont show up...known issue ?
[09:17] <DrArcHeH> morchuboo: so i can't even get to my shell
[09:17] <Vilijo> if I wand to install windows apps and games, I need to install VMware or Qemu? VMware being commercial and Qemu being slow and non-compatible with some software and not easy to install?
[09:17] <ulisse> Another thing: yesterday a boot-up disk check failed reporting about "7.3 % non contiguou", what should I do?
[09:17] <Amaranth> how is qemu non-compatible?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: just dragging an image onto the dialogue should work
[09:18] <Amaranth> and qemu has this accelerator thing that just got released that makes it "near-native"
[09:18] <Vilijo> Amaranth oh it is as compatible as vmware is
[09:18] <morchuboo> DrArcHeH: oh i see
[09:19] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, nope
[09:19] <baluba> i've this problem with gnome-panel segfaulting in a loop, which arose out of nowhere. i tried moving all gnome hidden dirs and wiping out /tmp/ but nothing changed
[09:19] <Vilijo> Amaranth is qemu hard to install? how much do I need to read manuals and how much I can go on with on-screen guide?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: :(
[09:19] <morchuboo> Vilijo: Im running Cedega for games - costs 15 for 3 months but thats all you have to pay. It runs World of Warcraft just fine :)
[09:20] <belch> daoes anyone suceeded with using the prism54g on ubuntu?
[09:20] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, very odd.its always worked before in warty..hmmmmmm
[09:20] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: the background is part of nauilus (desktop)
[09:20] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[09:20] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, not sure why that would cause it not to work as usual but...
[09:20] <Vilijo> well, I would rather try qemu if it can run those 2 games I need to play. virtual pool 3 and Pro evolution soccer 4.
[09:21] <Amaranth> Vilijo: Neither one of them support hardware accelerated graphics.
[09:21] <Amaranth> Vilijo: DirectX will use software rendering.
[09:21] <baluba> ah-ha to session registered for gnome-panel
[09:21] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: hmm - maybe try killall nautilus && nautilus to see if it regenerates?
[09:21] <neighborlee> ok
[09:22] <smckay> Anyone have troubles loading gnome after upgrading to linux-2.6.10-4?
[09:22] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, very odd..k thx that worked...weirdddd
[09:22] <Vilijo> oh, so pes4 wouldn't work probably
[09:22] <CountDown> smckay: Nope.
[09:22] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, first time i've seen the background act like that
[09:22] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: bug in nautilus I'd say
[09:22] <neighborlee> yup indeed
[09:22] <neighborlee> nautilus really can be a pig LOL
[09:22] <thoreauputic> indeed - i use the rox filer mostly
[09:23] <neighborlee> its nice but I prefer I think 'gentoo' file manager...really kewl and so fast to load
[09:23] <neighborlee> but nautilus has some nice features yes
[09:23] <neighborlee> ah yeah...rox...
[09:23] <neighborlee> I gotta try that sometime
[09:23] <smckay> Strange, I upgraded, rebooted, then logged in.  Gnome locks starting the panel.  Went back to 2.6.10-3 no problems.  Even reinstalled, upgraded to hoary, same thing.
[09:23] <smckay> But 2.6.10-3 works
[09:23] <hawke_> smckay: add "noinotify" to the kernel commandline parameters
[09:23] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: very configurable, has thumbnails, quite quick
[09:24] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, hmm thumbnails huh
[09:24] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I def. must try it LOL
[09:25] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: it also doesn't pollute my desktop with unwanted windows ;)
[09:25] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, LOL yeah
[09:25] <neighborlee> yeah I dont like that at all either
[09:27] <smckay> hawke_: thx I'll try that
[09:28] <davix> why does my sshd block after a few days?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> davix: it gets tired? <j/k>
[09:29] <davix> yeah, prob.
[09:30] <smckay> Thx hawke_ that worked
[09:30] <hawke-afk> smckay: hawkesome
[09:31] <smckay> Anyone running fluxbox?  Is fluxbox-gerenate-menu not included?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> smckay: which version?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> smckay: I have a recent one that includes it (0.9.12)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> smckay: the one in the ubuntu repositories is quite old
[09:34] <smckay> thoreauputic: ah, I'm running 0.9.9-1
[09:34] <smckay> Did you compile the 0.9.12 version yourself?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> ok - that's pretty recent
[09:34] <AndyR> hi all
[09:34] <thoreauputic> smckay: yes I compiled it
[09:34] <alumik> hello
[09:35] <AndyR> can anyone help me with a zip drive in hoary?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> smckay: I have a checkinstall deb of it here somewhere if you're interested in trying that: compiled on warty
[09:35] <smckay> There's a .deb on http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/ for 0.9.11, I'll try that.
[09:35] <thoreauputic> OK
[09:36] <alumik> AndyR: a parallel zip drive?
[09:37] <AndyR> no atapi ide
[09:37] <AndyR> i have it mounting and unmounting ok
[09:38] <AndyR> but eject in gnome-volume-manager doesnt work
[09:38] <sjoerd> AndyR: gnome-volume-manager doesn't eject
[09:38] <alumik> AndyR: any error message?
[09:38] <AndyR> as it points to /dev/hdd4
[09:38] <SiRrUs> good afternoon guys
[09:39] <alumik> AndyR: I see... you can't eject a partition
[09:39] <Bandit> and a great afternoon to you as well SiRrUs
[09:40] <alumik> AndyR: i'm not sure, but the problem can be in udev
[09:40] <Bandit> dont mind the rest they never say hi to anyone :)
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Hi Bandit ;-)
[09:42] <Tomcat_> Can anybody explain why xfce is in universe, but is an Ubuntu package?
[09:43] <davix> whats xfce?
[09:43] <alumik> not supported but modified by ubuntu developers
[09:43] <thoreauputic> davix: window manager/desktop
[09:43] <davix> ah.
[09:44] <robertj^> alumik: not all universe packages are modified by the developers
[09:44] <steven__>  /msg nickserv link ThePainter ThePainter666
[09:44] <thoreauputic> brought to you by the Masters of the Universe
[09:44] <Dave2> oops?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:44] <robertj^> universe packages can be autobuilt from Debian even if there are no mods
[09:44] <robertj^> if it's in Debian, and it builds, it will almost always find its way into universe
[09:44] <thoreauputic> steven__: time to change your password ;)
[09:45] <robertj^> plus there is other stuff in universe that is exclusive to Ubuntu (mostly newer stuff that just hasn't found its way upstream yet)
[09:45] <robertj^> I think ;)
[09:46] <SiRrUs> :)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> steven__: ah, no I see... oops
[09:47] <ThePainter> thor Hi Im new to this Ive just worked it out, I was steven.
[09:48] <rt> it's like the bttv driver isn't working.
[09:48] <SiRrUs> ThePainter did you change your password
[09:48] <robertj^> rt ?
[09:48] <ThePainter> I dont know I dont think Ive put a password in ?
[09:49] <robertj^> rt: what's up?
[09:49] <SiRrUs> steven__  /msg nickserv link ThePainter ThePainter666
[09:49] <bodhi> how can i change the default kernel in grub?
[09:49] <CountDown> bodhi: You can edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file.
[09:50] <ThePainter> yes thats what I typed i like it said on the freenode page ?
[09:50] <CountDown> bodhi: I think the order of the kernels in that file determines the order grub uses them.  I'm just guessing, though.
[09:50] <ThePainter> dont know what Im doing really
[09:50] <bodhi> ok
[09:51] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: is your other nick ThePainter666 ?
[09:51] <CountDown> bodhi: In particular, I would look into it further before changing anything.
[09:51] <ThePainter> yes
[09:51] <tjostolf> bodhi: at the top of menu.lst there is a line: default
[09:52] <bodhi> yes, CountDown, I am checking a grub manual
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: OK I guess you didn't expose your password with that mistake then
[09:52] <bodhi> really? ok, wait a minute, tjostolf
[09:52] <SiRrUs> :)
[09:52] <tjostolf> bodhi: if you type 0 there the top entry boots
[09:53] <ThePainter> It said to type that with two nicknames and it links them but it posted it instead ?
[09:53] <tjostolf> bodhi: type 1 and the second entry boots .. so on
[09:53] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: you probably had a space before the /
[09:53] <bodhi> ok, tjostolf, should I do someting like "lilo"?
[09:54] <ThePainter> Ill try it agian
[09:54] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: so it went into the channel instead of to nickserv
[09:54] <tjostolf> bodhi: no, do nothing more. just reboot
[09:55] <bodhi> ok, tjostolf
[09:55] <tjostolf> bodhi:  good luck
[09:55] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: tip - change to the freenode chan before entering /msg nickserv commands in case you accidentally expose your pass
[09:55] <tjostolf> bodhi: but of course read info grub
[09:56] <bodhi> ok, thank you very much
[09:57] <ThePainter> I see it worked that time without the space
[09:58] <sleeper> hi
[09:58] <sleeper> i need a program similar to dreamweaver and other similar to flash mx
[09:58] <djtansey> how do you check (from the command line) that all removable devices are unmounted?i'd like to add it to my laptop suspend script
[09:58] <sleeper> what can i use?
[09:58] <YankDownUnder> sleeper: NVU
[09:59] <sleeper> and to do flash ?
[09:59] <bodhi> tjostolf, should i count "recovery" entries in menu.lst to set default?
[09:59] <YankDownUnder> sleeper: NVU
[09:59] <sleeper> i can do two things with nvu?
[09:59] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: NVU does flash?
[10:00] <tjostolf> bodhi: i think so
[10:01] <sleeper> mmmmmm
[10:01] <bluefoxicy> mmmm bj. . .
[10:01] <palfi> :)
[10:01] <sleeper> i dont find it
[10:02] <sleeper> where can i get it?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> sleeper: read ubuntuguide.org - it tells you how to find and install it
[10:03] <sleeper> ok
[10:03] <sleeper> thx
[10:04] <ThePainter> sleeper: You can run Flash MX via Crossover Office, dont know if this helps ?
[10:05] <sleeper> ? sry my english is very bad
[10:05] <SiRrUs> sleeper np
[10:06] <thoreauputic> sleeper: there's a #ubuntu-es I believe
[10:07] <Cube-ness> anybody know anything about inoded enabled kerels causing kernel panic during hotplug startup?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> sleeper: 14 people in #ubuntu-es at the moment
[10:07] <sleeper> yes but nobody answer
[10:08] <thoreauputic> sleeper: 2 minutes is not long ;)
[10:08] <CountDown> Cube-ness: It's a problem with 2.6.10-4.  It's being worked on.
[10:08] <thoreauputic> sleeper: have you read the links in the topic for that channel?
[10:08] <ubuntudave> Cube-ness, check the forum - long thread on it
[10:08] <sleeper> i am reading 1 helper about nvu
[10:09] <sleeper> thx a lot
[10:09] <CountDown> Cube-ness: Add the noinotify option in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:09] <thenuke> should ubuntu work OK if change HD with ubuntu to another machine
[10:10] <Darwin> Thenuke, no working
[10:10] <thenuke> okeyp, but I dont want to believe you and still test it :D
[10:10] <thoreauputic> thenuke: very unlikely unless the hardware is the same
[10:10] <ubuntudave> anyone know why i'm getting this error installing php4 for apache2?: "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-utils_1.3.33-3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:10] <ubuntudave>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd', which is also in package apache2-utilsdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)"
[10:10] <thenuke> I can switch over the nic and display adapter
[10:11] <thenuke> and I can switch over the cpu
[10:11] <thenuke> humm, let's see, so only the motherboard is changed
[10:11] <ThePainter> thenuke: I suppose you would have to have it in the same position ie' slave, master or the partitons nums would change
[10:12] <fc9k|alt> guys, i'm competely new to linux and am currently installing ubuntu through virtualpc.  is this a bad idea?
[10:12] <thenuke> ThePainter: indeed, although that would be easy to fix as I have grub
[10:13] <gstrummer> hi everyone, i'm trying to play a wma file, i was told the only way to do it is with mplayer?
[10:13] <gstrummer> is that true?
[10:14] <ironwolf> anyone able to get jre1.4.2 working with firefox on hoary? I've linked the libjava...so into /usr/lib/mozilla and enabled java, but can't seem to get it to show any applets.  Advice?
[10:15] <K00pa-Rul3X> help me channel of ubuntu spanis?
[10:15] <K00pa-Rul3X> help me channel of ubuntu spanish?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: why 1.4.2? isn't the latest one 1.5 or so?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> K00pa-Rul3X: #ubuntu-es
[10:15] <CountDown> K00pa-Rul3X: #ubuntu-es?
[10:15] <BockBilbo> K00pa-Rul3X, #ubuntu-es
[10:16] <K00pa-Rul3X> no
[10:16] <BockBilbo> K00pa-Rul3X, yes
[10:16] <gstrummer> so i guess what i'm trying to do is install mplayer, can i just apt-get install mplayer?
[10:17] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: I'll get working whatever will work.  My need is 1.4.2 or better, I tried 1.5.0 didn't work, tried 1.4.2, same results.  I just need it to work.
[10:17] <CountDown> gstrummer: You have to add multiverse, I think.
[10:17] <wezzer> gstrummer: check ubuntuforums.org
[10:17] <wezzer> -> howto
[10:17] <wezzer> there is good manual how to install mplayer and codecs
[10:17] <K00pa-Rul3X> #it ubuntu-is it is not the ubuntu channel in Spanish
[10:17] <CountDown> gstrummer: what wezzer said.
[10:17] <K00pa-Rul3X> #ubuntu-es it is not the ubuntu channel in Spanish
[10:17] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: I used the howto on ubuntuguide.org - works here for 1.5
[10:17] <ThePainter> fc9: I once installed mandrake on a Vpc but I couldnt get it to access any directories outside of the Vpc.
[10:17] <gstrummer> ok, checking the site
[10:17] <gstrummer> thanks
[10:18] <Jet2k5> hey any of you guys here currently using cpu throttle?
[10:18] <ThePainter> I followed that tut for MPlayer and half of the list to install had uninstallable dependenies
[10:19] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: you might need /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox BTW for plugins etc
[10:19] <Cube-ness> well crap.. noinotify didnt work.. still hangs at hotplug.. kernel 2.6.8 was the last kernel that worked for me
[10:19] <ThePainter> I find VLC plays just about everything and its only one file to insall. But I havent tried WMA on it cos Ive got non
[10:20] <ThePainter> I tried to upgrade to Hoary today but I last my mouse and keyboard after a reboot and had to pull the plug and reinstall Warty
[10:21] <Darwin> i nedd change firefox to 1.0?
[10:23] <error_29> Darwin:  the information on this page worked for me:http://desktopos.com/ubuntu-starter-guide/
[10:23] <mz2> huh? tomboy seems to distribute its own mono
[10:23] <mz2> that's not nice
[10:24] <mz2> the ubuntu binary
[10:24] <mz2> or rather, libdbus-cli
[10:24] <mz2> does
[10:24] <mz2> cil
[10:24] <thoreauputic> error_29: that looks like just a mirror of http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:25] <error_29> thoreauputic, you're right, if it's the "unofficial" guide
[10:26] <error_29> I got a little over enthusiastic with that page and accidentally backported a lot more stuff than I needed...
[10:26] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: so.../usr/lib/mozilla-firefox worked, /usr/lib/mozilla did not.. thanks for that tip.  It's working now with 1.5.0
[10:27] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: heh - I think java is evil anyway, so I enabled it for mozilla but not firefox (use moz if I need it)\
[10:28] <error_29> Can anyone tell me why xterm gave me an error when I tried to chmod Realplayer, but Gnome terminal worked?
[10:28] <ubuntudave> hey guys - is it possible to install php4 for apache2 via package manager? only the php4 dependencies are apache(not2) ?
[10:28] <error_29> Am I not supposed to use xterm, what's it for, is it missing features...?
[10:29] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: it's part of my job to use this particular applet, and the deal is, if I can get it working with Ubuntu, I don't ever have to boot Windows.  So needless to say, I'm motivated. :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> error_29: I doubt that it was a question of xterm vs gnome-terminal - some other weirdness there
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: ah, yes that's a different thing :) I understand - I have the luxury of not *having* to use it :)
[10:30] <error_29> hmm, guess so thoreauputic --
[10:31] <thoreauputic> error_29: a shell is a shell is a shell (if you follow me)
[10:31] <Darwin> what is name the pack java? For apt-get
[10:31] <error_29> prefer xterm 'cause the gnome thing is sluggish on my system
[10:31] <thoreauputic> error_29: yes it's slow to start and heavier on resources
[10:32] <error_29> Maybe my shell is cracked, thoreauputic :-
[10:32] <thoreauputic> error_29: try aterm - even lighter
[10:32] <thenuke> Darwin: ubuntu wiki has guide for installing java, so I dont know if it is better to do that way, than apting
[10:32] <error_29> thanks thoreauputic
[10:33] <thoreauputic> error_29: aterm can look cool too, if that's important to you: try aterm -tr -sh 80 -bg back -fg white    for instance
[10:33] <Darwin> thank thenuke...i am novate in ubuntu...so is very bad my english
[10:33] <Darwin> i speak spanish
[10:33] <error_29> heh, you read my mind thoreauputic - gnome terminal doesn't stand out from the other windows, problem for me
[10:34] <LinuxJones> Darwin, there is a spanish speaking ubuntu channel as well
[10:35] <thoreauputic> error_29: aterm has lots of options for transparency etc - you can also lose scrollbars by using the +sb switch if you wish (all in the man page, of course)
[10:36] <error_29> Darwin, sorry missed the first part of your query:  excellent Spanish guide here: http://guia-ubuntu.org
[10:36] <error_29> (it's a translation of the other guide)
[10:37] <error_29> installing aterm now, thoreauputic !  (weird, I thought I already had it...)
[10:37] <Darwin> linuxjones, they participants the channel #ubuntu-es is sleep...(los participantes de ese canal en espaol estan como dormidos)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> error_29: :)
[10:37] <Darwin> thank, error 29...i go
[10:37] <error_29> Cool! groovy, there it is, thanks thoreauputic
[10:38] <thoreauputic> error_29: no worries, enjoy :)
[10:38] <error_29> Estan dormiendo de ubuntu, Darwin
[10:39] <Darwin> yes error 29, the channel #ubuntu-es...no speaking
[10:39] <error_29> but I swear to god, xterm was acting like an alien shell
[10:39] <ubuntudave> can anyone help me explain this? :"E: /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-utils_1.3.33-3_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd', which is also in package apache2-utils"?
[10:39] <thenuke> error_29: yes yes.. take this red pills twice a day and you wont see alien terminals anymore
[10:39] <error_29> Ubuntistas perisozas, Darwin
[10:40] <hawke_> UbuntuBot: htpasswd is in both apache-utils and apache2-utils
[10:40] <Darwin> yes...perozoso
[10:40] <hawke_> er
[10:40] <hawke_> ubuntudave:  htpasswd is in both apache-utils and apache2-utils
[10:40] <ubuntudave> hawke, so do i need to do anything about the problem?
[10:41] <hawke_> ubuntudave: pick either apache or apache2 :-)
[10:42] <hawke_> ubuntudave: remove whichever of apache2-utils and apache-utils you do not want.
[10:42] <ubuntudave> i did, but the php4 install asks for the apache-utils not apache2 =/
[10:43] <error_29> I swear to god, xterm was saying "too few arguments" with chmod on a file that worked fine in gnome terminal!
[10:43] <stvn> ubuntudave: try first installing apache2-utils and then php
[10:43] <ubuntudave> okay
[10:43] <ubuntudave> thanks
[10:43] <error_29> Xterm wanted an argument, I prefered not to argue, aterm it is till it gets argumenative
[10:44] <stvn> ubuntudave: I had a similar problem when i installed php and apache2 together, php kept asking for apache
[10:44] <thoreauputic> error_29: it's a fiendish plot by the gnome developers to get you locked in to gnome-terminal ;-)
[10:44] <hawke_> ubuntudave: I don't even see php depending on apache-utils or apache2-utils
[10:44] <error_29> gnome is trying to become windows
[10:44] <error_29> no no I didn't mean it!
[10:44] <hawke_> error_29: Really?  I think it's closer to Macintosh.  And that's good.
[10:44] <stvn> error_29: as in the lead desktop environment in the world? ;)
[10:45] <error_29> there you are stvn, but earned this time! :-)
[10:45] <ubuntudave> hawke, if i try to remove apache-common and leave apache2-common i get told that libapache-mod-php4 and php4 will be removed
[10:46] <stvn> ubuntudave: let it remove it, then install php4 again, it'll use libapache2-mod-php4
[10:46] <error_29> I like the interface, but am I a heretic if I say I like a lot of kde's basic apps a lot better?
[10:46] <Klaas> Good evening everybody.
[10:46] <ubuntudave> okay
[10:46] <hawke_> ubuntudave: install libapache2-mod-php4
[10:46] <jinx_> hey guys - how come every time gnome starts (i'm running warty btw) I get a message box saying 'you must run this program as a root user' ?
[10:46] <jinx_> it doesn't say which program
[10:46] <error_29> I was happy, naive noob that I am, to realize that I can have the best of both worlds
[10:46] <OrangeSlice> alright, problem:  I need gnome-sharp, and it isn't anywhere on the internet.  help me :p
[10:46] <thoreauputic> error_29: shame! shame! burn the heretic!
[10:46] <topyli> anybody coming to debconf this summer?
[10:46] <error_29> kicker kicks in ubuntu
[10:47] <thoreauputic> error_29: I use fluxbox anyway :)
[10:47] <OrangeSlice> not to mention gconf-sharp.  I assumed these would have been installed with gtksharp when I compiled it >;(
[10:47] <Riddell> error_29: not at all, I fully encourage you (so long as you don't start any flame wars :)
[10:47] <stvn> OrangeSlice: you mean libgnome-cil ?
[10:47] <OrangeSlice> yeah maybe
[10:47] <error_29> I like blackbox, what I've seen of it, but this is all still over my head
[10:47] <hawke_> error_29: I agree with you on the KDE little-apps end
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Riddell: but flame wars are so entertaining!  ;-)
[10:47] <hawke_> error_29: In fact, I use kgpg under gnome. :-)
[10:47] <error_29> terrific screen shot applet
[10:48] <error_29> kicker hides better than gnome panels, which eat the space even when hidden
[10:48] <Klaas> I've got a question concerning the ubuntu installer and hdparm, I was under the impression that the 2.6 kernel deprecates hdparm, why are you probed for params during the install?
[10:48] <stvn> OrangeSlice: it replaces gnome-sharp, i have it, not sure if it's from hoary universe or mono-alioth
[10:48] <OrangeSlice> seems to be in the backports
[10:49] <thoreauputic> I like the map... heh
[10:49] <OrangeSlice> and... problem solved
[10:49] <OrangeSlice> thanks
[10:49] <stvn> np
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Klaas: really? I didn't know hdparm was deprecated - seems a useful tool to me
[10:50] <error_29> Is it just me, or is gnome using a mishmash of old(ugly) and new(very cool) icons?
[10:50] <topyli> thoreauputic: so you have kworldclock and 40M of kde libs to go with it? ;)
[10:51] <Klaas> thoreauputic: Quite confusing huh! On my pure-debian system I no longer use it, dma and all get set correctly by the kernel.
[10:51] <error_29> and the icons as shown in icon choosing dialogs don't always match the ones actually showing up when I choose them
[10:51] <thoreauputic> topyli: hehe... yeah - I tried to install k3b without success, so I still have the libs
[10:51] <error_29> hola Darwin, que tal?
[10:51] <Darwin> hola error_29
[10:51] <thoreauputic> topyli: talk about wasting resources!
[10:52] <Darwin> fail firefox :(
[10:52] <error_29> hell, thoreauputic, I'll reinstall the whole kaboodle (heh) just to try out the apps
[10:52] <Darwin> Error: No running window found
[10:52] <Darwin> auto selected locale: en-US
[10:52] <Darwin> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?
[10:52] <topyli> thoreauputic: i used to have the libs for k3b but i replaced the lot with gnomebaker :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> topyli: I migrated to gnomebaker instead of k3b too
[10:52] <error_29> kaboodle looks great, if not featureful, in gnome
[10:52] <topyli> yeah, it's nice
[10:52] <Pluk> how is gnomebaker now compared to k3b?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> just haven't bothered to remove the kde libs - and hey, I like the map ;-)
[10:53] <topyli> Pluk: it's ok functionally, and it's more gnomish
[10:53] <ubuntudave> hey hawke php doesn't seem to be being passed from apache to php - i get 'downloads' when viewing php pages - how can i make apache2 load the php4 module?
[10:53] <jontiz> ngon svensk hr
[10:53] <error_29> Maps are good.    Debes leer, y intenta
[10:57] <Pluk> UbuntuBot, and in mods-available?
[10:57] <Pluk> oops
[10:57] <Pluk> darnit
[10:57] <error_29> Darwin, mejor
[10:57] <error_29> ooops
[10:57] <Darwin> ok...error_29 ya lo estoy bajando con apt-get
[10:58] <error_29> Mejor Google el asuntu
[10:58] <error_29> (perdon por mi espanol horrible!)
[10:58] <Sionide> grr
[10:58] <ubuntudave> Pluk, theres php4.load.dpkg-new
[10:58] <toothpick> Does ubuntu have a live cd nvidia install?
[10:58] <Pluk> hmm weird
[10:59] <Pluk> ur really sure libapache2-mod-php is installed?
[10:59] <ubuntudave> yup according to package manager
[10:59] <Pluk> maybe reinstall?
[10:59] <ubuntudave> shall u uninstall everything and try fresh?
[10:59] <ubuntudave> okay ;)
[10:59] <Darwin> i understan you spanish, error_29
[10:59] <error_29> Sparkle, if you'd prefer newbies keep asking and not understanding to someone trying to help 'em and move 'em along to their objective, bueno amigo ;-)
[11:00] <Darwin> is good you spanish, error_29
[11:00] <error_29> Gracias Darwin.   :P
[11:02] <Sionide> as you know, it's also yes for spanish
[11:02] <Sionide> i don't really mind!
[11:02] <error_29> You know, maybe a raiding party of English speakers should hit the Spanish channels and wake 'em up.  I feel Darwin's pain; hard to find non-English activity sometimes
[11:02] <error_29> Sionide, copacetic man I understand
[11:02] <Sionide> eh?
[11:02] <Sionide> double eh?
[11:03] <error_29> copacetico Sionido
[11:03] <and> argh. taken
[11:03] <error_29> Really, I was just so enthused to be able to lecture someone to RTFM in a language not my own
[11:04] <error_29> especially since I only started RTFM myself this morning
[11:04] <topyli> what is rtfm in spanish?
[11:04] <Sionide> well
[11:04] <Sionide> i never knew what copacetic meant till now:P
[11:04] <error_29> Hm, topyli,  stumping me there
[11:05] <topyli> heh, probably depends on what the f stands for
[11:05] <Darwin> error_29, the information in spanish in very low...is better intro channel in english than is
[11:05] <Sionide> just in case anyone was wondering: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=copacetic
[11:05] <error_29> HBO en espanol usually softens the profanity to a general "malidito" this and "maldito" that
[11:05] <ubuntudave> hey Pluk and hawke_ thanks for help - got it working - uninstalled everything then did apache2, libapache2-,php2 - thanks for all the help (ps - apt-get screwed original installation)
[11:06] <ubuntudave> php4*
[11:06] <Pluk> yw ubuntudave
[11:06] <error_29> Darwin, ok
[11:06] <_jon_> anybody having a problem with gnome crashing while loading on hoary
[11:06] <_jon_> ?
[11:06] <nubeiro> had them on warty sometimes
[11:06] <topyli> Sionide: "read the copacetic manual" :)
[11:07] <Pluk> only gnome?
[11:07] <Sionide> eh?
[11:07] <Pluk> or the whole system
[11:07] <error_29> Low is what I needed, Darwin.  Seguro que tienen mas en la red
[11:07] <_jon_> whole system, but i think it's due to gnome
[11:07] <nubeiro> _jon_, solved it rm-ing .Iceauth and .xsession-something
[11:07] <topyli> Sionide: i was just pondering linguistic questions, don't mind me. thanks for the link anyway :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> _jon_: put noinotify in the kernel line of grub's menu.lst or revert to the previous kernel
[11:07] <_jon_> i loaded xfce4 just fine
[11:07] <Pluk> add noitnotify to you kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:08] <_jon_> hmm i'll try
[11:08] <Pluk> noinotify*
[11:08] <error_29> "copacetic" must be dating me.
[11:08] <snarky> hey all, i can't seem to get hardware acceleration on hoary
[11:08] <thoreauputic> _jon_: that's the work around
[11:08] <snarky> i'm using nvidia
[11:08] <snarky> and when i do the nvidia-glx-config enable step i get errors
[11:08] <snarky> (i've installed all the packages for nvidia)
[11:08] <topyli> error_29: nice word. i'm going to use it all the time in the near future ;)
[11:09] <error_29> Copacetic, man
[11:09] <snarky> any ideas?
[11:09] <error_29> or , "man copacetic"
[11:09] <error_29> heh heh
[11:09] <topyli> linux is very copacetic!
[11:10] <_jon_> will try to reboot into the kernel brb
[11:10] <error_29> topyli, yer a quick study, dude
[11:10] <JDigital> guys, I have been having eyestrain since installing ubuntu
[11:10] <topyli> snarky: what sort of errors? not that i'm an nvidia expert
[11:10] <error_29> JDigital, is that from enthusiasm, or bad fonts?
[11:10] <JDigital> it might be a coincidence, or it might not
[11:10] <snarky> topyli: weeeell, it tells me to configure it myself basically
[11:11] <topyli> heh. very helpful isn't it
[11:11] <error_29> JDigital, it's cause ubuntu just makes your machine so much more attractive to use
[11:11] <snarky> topyli: and i keep trying to configure it with the dpkg-reconfigure, but it gets me nothing
[11:11] <JDigital> heh
[11:11] <error_29> you can't tear your eyes away
[11:11] <JDigital> a sight for sore eyes
[11:11] <snarky> topyli: and i tried to just edit the xorg.conf myself and just replace "nv" with "nvidia"
[11:11] <snarky> is there anything else i need to do?
[11:11] <error_29> A friend of mine, who's been losing sleep over ubuntu (in a good way)
[11:11] <topyli> snarky: i've made all my problems go away a long time ago, by bying matrox cards :)
[11:12] <error_29> ... said today, I never liked this laptop.  Now I like it.
[11:12] <snarky> topyli: well this is a lappy, i don't have much of a choice
[11:12] <JDigital> I have it in 85Hz/68.7Khz, but I wonder if the 68.7KHz part is the same as I had in windows
[11:12] <topyli> ah
[11:12] <hawke_> snarky: That's all you should have to do.
[11:12] <snarky> hawke_: the X server crashes when i try to open it
[11:12] <topyli> snarky: have you looked at the ubuntu wiki? you probably have
[11:13] <topyli> they do have nice looking instructions there
[11:13] <snarky> yeah it tells you to do nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:13] <hawke_> snarky: do you have nvidia-glx installed?
[11:13] <JDigital> like what if I run it in fiftysomething KHz
[11:13] <snarky> yep all the nvidia stuff
[11:13] <hawke_> snarky: And linux-restricted-modules?
[11:14] <snarky> yes i do
[11:14] <topyli> snarky: sorry, i'm really useless for you now
[11:14] <snarky> it kinda cheesed me off cuz i'm on hoary and using the 2.6.8 kernel (sound doesnt work for me on 2.6.10 yet) and i had to carefully go back to the warty mirrors and get 2.6.8 stuff
[11:14] <hawke_> snarky: What happens when you run "X" at a command line and then hit ctrl-alt-bksp to kill it?
[11:15] <snarky> i had 3d working on hoary the last time i used it
[11:15] <_jon_> gnome works, but i don't have sound
[11:15] <snarky> hawke_: that restarts my x server
[11:15] <hawke_> snarky: well, I suppose it crashes anyway...but what's the output say
[11:15] <hawke_> snarky: what's in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[11:15] <snarky> im on xorg
[11:15] <snarky> but ill get that
[11:15] <hawke_> Oh, right
[11:15] <hawke_> yes. xorg
[11:15] <_4strO> soir all
[11:16] <snarky> heres the error
[11:16] <snarky> which is weird
[11:16] <snarky> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[11:16] <snarky> and i have all the nvidia stuff installed
[11:16] <morchuboo> Does anyone know if it is possible to use the creative prodikeys in linux?
[11:17] <Pluk> snarky, lsmod |grep nvidia
[11:17] <Darwin> error 29, look INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?
[11:17] <Pluk> does that list the nvidia module?
[11:17] <snarky> nvidia               4821556  0
[11:17] <snarky> yep
[11:17] <Darwin> i make apt-ger install --reinstall mozilla-firefox
[11:17] <Darwin> apt-get
[11:17] <viper12> when you went back to the 2.6.8 kernel, did you compile the nvidia driver modules with it? (I downgraded a bit o' go and without recompiling the module, I lost xs as well.
[11:17] <viper12> (for snarky)
[11:18] <snarky> viper12: i reinstalled all the nvidia stuff, is that all i needed to do?
[11:18] <geppy> Why can you not make up a new genre for GRIP?
[11:18] <hawke_> viper12: You shouldn't have to recompile unless you have a custom-compiled kernel
[11:18] <hawke_> geppy: Because they're standardized
[11:18] <geppy> hawke: That's dumb.
[11:18] <hawke_> geppy: Yes
[11:18] <Pluk> snarky, http://www.pastebin.com/ and post your xorg.conf there please
[11:18] <viper12> shouldn't hawke.........but I had to d/g and it LOST the nvidia stuff completely until it was recompiled.
[11:18] <snarky> k
[11:18] <geppy> hawke:  They don't have "Christian", and they _definitely_ don't have stuff like "Mine"
[11:19] <hawke_> geppy: It's an 8-bit number-to-text mapping.
[11:19] <Darwin> what recover firefox?
[11:19] <geppy> hawke: Oh.
[11:19] <hawke_> geppy: Which is also stupid.
[11:19] <hawke_> geppy: But then, that's ID3 tags for you. :-/
[11:19] <geppy> hawke:  That means that I couldn't change it in the source, I take it.
[11:19] <geppy> heh
[11:20] <geppy> hawke:  But what about those of us who don't use ID3 tags, but only vorbis comments? =)
[11:20] <hawke_> geppy: I know.  Personally I kinda ignore genre totally anyway
[11:20] <_jon_> so i have gnome now, but esd can't find /dev/dsp
[11:20] <hawke_> geppy: Since it's so vague to begin with
[11:21] <geppy> hawke:  But, I mean, could I change it so that it allows me to change it to my own values, as I'm just inserting it as text into my FLAC files anyways? (Vorbis comments, not ID3)
[11:21] <geppy> hawke:  It is a bit vague, but it's handy for organizing, especially because you have control over what genre they're named. ...or you should.
[11:21] <baluba> hi
[11:21] <snarky> Pluk: http://www.pastebin.com/245988
[11:23] <hawke_> geppy: I don't know, really.  I imagine you could.
[11:23] <geppy> hawke:  Alright, thanks.
[11:23] <snarky> Pluk: i have a 17inch widescreen lappy monitor so those weird 1440x900 res's works, and with nv in place of nvidia it works good
[11:24] <baluba> i've gnome-panel dying while parsing some config file. lookin at .xsessionerrors it states that '%' is not allowed in an entity. but i don't have the faintest idea what it is trying to parse
[11:24] <hawke_> geppy: If you do it, I'd be interested in a patch for that. :-)
[11:24] <geppy> hawke:  I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I might get around to it eventually. =)
[11:24] <Pyrus> hi everyone
[11:25] <Pyrus> anyvody still awake?
[11:25] <balor> Is there a mono development package around somewhere?
[11:25] <Pyrus> I've got a question about the minimum requirements for ubuntu
[11:25] <morchuboo> zzzz
[11:25] <snarky> Pluk: ah i gotta go man, thanks for the help (i'll just rock no hardware accel for now)
[11:26] <Pyrus> I've tried debian before and when installing it says that I should have more RAM but it works anyway, I saw that 24Megs is the minimum, anybody can confirm that?
[11:26] <topyli> Pyrus: linux works with 4M of ram (or so they say). it's gnome that's hungry
[11:26] <Pyrus> I'm not going to install any interfaces
[11:27] <topyli> Pyrus: what are you going to do?
[11:27] <Pyrus> 12 or 16, I should look how much RAM I have
[11:27] <thoreauputic> balor: try apt-cache search mono | grep dev  ( seems to be some stuff in there)
[11:27] <Weinberg> hi
[11:27] <Weinberg> :d
[11:27] <OrangeSlice> there's also http://www.mono-project.com/downloads/index.html#unstable
[11:28] <Pyrus> topyli: put up a server that should be working as a firewall/router, but just that and only with the shell
[11:28] <OrangeSlice> or am I thinking the wrong 'development' :P
[11:28] <mjr> -e
[11:28] <topyli> Pyrus: a minimal debian install should work with 12M
[11:28] <Pyrus> topyli: so ubuntu too?
[11:28] <topyli> probably
[11:28] <Weinberg> i was install ubunto and have une litle asks and i dont know
[11:29] <Weinberg> any hear speak spanish?
[11:29] <topyli> que?
[11:29] <Pyrus> topyli: trying it out is the only way of finding out I guess?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Weinberg: #ubuntu-es
[11:29] <Weinberg> tnks
[11:30] <topyli> Pyrus: well, woody installs with 12M for sure. perhaps the new installer is more demanding, dunno
[11:30] <Darwin> hola weinber..entra al #ubuntu-es
[11:30] <Pyrus> thanks topyli, I'll find out when I install it :p
[11:31] <topyli> yeah :)
[11:31] <Pyrus> it's just that it's kind of strange that they SAY some minimum but it works with less :p
[11:32] <morchuboo> Pyrus: the minimum is for the default desktop install
[11:32] <Pyrus> anyway probably going to use a more up-to-date pc next time and then I've got 256Mb to work with, no more problems :)
[11:32] <Pyrus> ah ok, thanks morchuboo
[11:32] <topyli> Pyrus: well they are talking about a full desktop install i guess. also, the installers of redhat and others are quite hungry even if you wouldn't install much
[11:32] <Jimi-Jam> hola
[11:32] <Jimi-Jam> hi
[11:33] <ubuntudave> anyone can help with my use of ndiswrapper?
[11:33] <Jimi-Jam> anyone has tried to make work ubuntu on a laptop?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Jimi-Jam: lots of people :)
[11:34] <Pyrus> it seems like ubuntu is really popular allready :)
[11:34] <topyli> and some have come back alive to tell about it!
[11:34] <Pyrus> lol
[11:34] <Jimi-Jam> I have a hp pavillion zv5000 and Im trying to make work a live ubuntu
[11:34] <lordan> Jimi-Jam, we're doing three laptop install here as I write
[11:34] <Jimi-Jam> :)
[11:34] <Jimi-Jam> but it doesn't want
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: topped the monthly chart on distrowatch recently
[11:34] <Pyrus> good luck lordan :p
[11:34] <Pyrus> how old is it exactly then? not more than a couple of months?
[11:35] <Jimi-Jam> I looked on wiki and it says on my laptop I must put "noapic" option
[11:35] <Jimi-Jam> but doesn't want
[11:35] <viper12> In fact I'm using a laptop/ubuntu right now typing. :)
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: 4.10 Warty = 2004 10th month
[11:35] <morchuboo> Pyrus: you might find this usefull: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[11:35] <lordan> Pyrus, I'm not counting on any problems.. :-)
[11:35] <thoreauputic> so Octber
[11:35] <thoreauputic> October
[11:35] <Pyrus> thanks again morchuboo :)
[11:35] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: linux 2.6 and acpi have problems on many laptops
[11:35] <morchuboo> Pyrus: its the miniram howto - about best config for a minimum setup
[11:36] <Pyrus> that will help me a lot
[11:36] <Jimi-Jam> topyli: but I boot on "ubuntu" option, not on "ubuntu with acpi" option
[11:36] <Pyrus> but still graphic morchuboo?
[11:36] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: but the live cd and the ubuntu install cd are completely different systems
[11:36] <morchuboo> Pyrus: yep
[11:36] <Pyrus> hmm I'm not actually gonna work graphically
[11:36] <Jimi-Jam> Im speaking about live cd
[11:37] <Pyrus> absolute minimum requirements :)
[11:37] <Jimi-Jam> nobody can help me with live cd?
[11:37] <morchuboo> Pyrus: well just do an expert / custom install then
[11:37] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: yeah, that's morphix basically
[11:37] <Jimi-Jam> I don't know morphix
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: the ubuntu installer is the Debian Sarge installer - so any docs on the sarge installer would be relevant
[11:37] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: me neither :9
[11:37] <morchuboo> Pyrus: gives you just a terminal to log in - no X at all - you can then add what you want - or what your hardware will get away with :P
[11:37] <Pyrus> yes morchuboo, that's what I thought, I'm just going to have to try it
[11:38] <Pyrus> ah sarge, thanks thoreauputic
[11:39] <morchuboo> Pyrus: just remember apt-get update - to update the packages, apt-get install <package> to get and install something AND apt-cache to search for something that ou want to install to find its name
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[11:40] <Tomcat_> Is there any project that has tried to do... "X forwarding takeover"? Like "screen" in a terminal, so you can start an X app on one PC, then continue it on another? Anybody know something? :)
[11:41] <lordan> Tomcat_, heard about something like that a while ago
[11:41] <lordan> just can't remember the name
[11:41] <topyli> difficult
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: I think freenx can do something like that
[11:41] <Jimi-Jam> it tells me: VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknow-block(9,0)
[11:41] <Jimi-Jam> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[11:41] <drgalaxy> Tomcat_ with XDM you can save your session and log in remotely (I think)
[11:42] <Guybrush|Numb> I'm trying the dist-upgrade to hoary
[11:42] <Jimi-Jam> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(9,0)
[11:42] <Pyrus> I'll just put in the cd once I received it from my friend and see what happens :p, it will only take one more week or something like that
[11:42] <Guybrush|Numb> but i get a "x-window-system core" as "kept back"
[11:42] <Jimi-Jam> what can I do?
[11:42] <Guybrush|Numb> and it does not seem to install x-org
[11:42] <qoke> hi, what is the default user/password for the Hoary live cd ? (searched the ubuntu site, and can seem to find it)
[11:42] <Tomcat_> _jon_: VNC is great, the problem is that VNC doesn't really have the feel of X forwarding :)
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: maybe look at the No MAchine site (they have client downloads) The server software is proprietary but freenx does the same thing
[11:43] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can help ?
[11:43] <_jon_> Tomcat_: true, but it works cross platform nicely
[11:43] <Tomcat_> Indeed.
[11:43] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: your root device will probalby be something like hd0,0 to grub
[11:43] <_jon_> Guybrush|Numb: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[11:43] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: If you manually tell it to install xserver-xorg it should do it. Then you can dist-upgrade it all
[11:44] <Jimi-Jam> but
[11:44] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: no it won't. you want the cd since you're running the live cd :)
[11:44] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: alternatively -f to force may work....
[11:44] <Jimi-Jam> what is a "root device" ?
[11:44] <_jon_> morchuboo: --force-yes might be what you mean
[11:44] <Guybrush|Numb> i'm running dist-upgrade with "-d" aka download only, so i didn't do anything irrevocable yet
[11:44] <Guybrush|Numb> should i install xorg before dist-upgrade ?
[11:44] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: i'd think it's finding a place to find the system to boot
[11:45] <topyli> what a sentence
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> ok
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> my dvdrom reader
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> is hdc
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> what is the option root I must put?
[11:45] <topyli> so to grub it's probably hd1,0
[11:46] <topyli> i miss lilo
[11:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: it's still there if you want it ;-)
[11:47] <topyli> yeah :)
[11:47] <Pyrus> I can find the minimum RAM requirement for debian is 12Mb let's hope ubuntu is similar :)
[11:47] <bloc76> hey guys, I just installed ubuntu for the first time and everything seemed fine, but when gnome starts I just get a black screen
[11:48] <topyli> thoreauputic: as long as i can boot ok i don't care about the loader. but when a problem arises, believe me, you don't want to read the grub docs :)
[11:48] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: that is at least optimistic :)
[11:48] <Pyrus> lol nice choice of words Guybrush|Numb
[11:48] <thoreauputic> topyli: yeah, I find grub strange - but maybe it's just habit
[11:48] <topyli> for woody 12 ia ok
[11:48] <topyli> is ok
[11:49] <qoke> plz can someone tell me the default login/password for the hoary live cd ?
[11:49] <Guybrush|Numb> toply: well, plain console woody without more than a couple of services running :)
[11:49] <topyli> thoreauputic: years of lilo don't just go away. but it's simpler. why do i need the power of grub just to boot one system? :o
[11:49] <Guybrush|Numb> i ran slackware 9 on 8mb... but could not do much :)
[11:49] <Pyrus> yes Guybrush|Numb, only console and some minor services
[11:49] <_jon_> thoreauputic: when booting it says "i810_audio disabled in this configuration"
[11:50] <topyli> Guybrush|Numb: that's the install we're talking about
[11:50] <_jon_> but i want my audio :(
[11:50] <thoreauputic> topyli: comprehensible howto on grub (well written)  http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[11:50] <Pyrus> Guybrush|Numb: dhcp, nat and the other stuff to run a nice router, also a firewall, that's probably it
[11:50] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: why ubuntu for such a basic system ? it isn't exactly it's best selling point, running on ultra-low end machines
[11:50] <topyli> ooh well written grub docs!
[11:50] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: go for debian stable
[11:50] <Pyrus> to get experience with that distro Guybrush|Numb
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> at that level, debian and ubuntu are practically the same
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> but debian stable is more.... stable :)
[11:51] <Pyrus> I'm trying out Debian allready, maybe you're right, stay with Debian, ubuntu can't be that different
[11:51] <topyli> "Give LILO the Boot and Grab Some GRUB". i like that :)
[11:51] <thoreauputic> topyli: Schroder writes useful stuff
[11:51] <bloc76> anyone have any ideas about this black screen after install?
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: go to console (alt+f1) and run ps -aux
[11:52] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: and see which are the last processes spawned
[11:52] <thoreauputic> topyli: more of her stuff here: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/article.php/1570651
[11:52] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, ok, what am I looking for then?
[11:52] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, i have to reboot to try this so I'm trying to get all the details first :)
[11:53] <topyli> thoreauputic: yes! thanks, i'll save a bookmark for the latter so i can browse her stuff at leisure
[11:53] <Pyrus> thx Guybrush|Numb I'll keep ubuntu for the moment this pc is out of date as a desktop and install it on this one (1GHz amd, 256Mb and lots more diskspace :p)
[11:53] <thoreauputic> topyli: that rare thing, someone with a clue about linux who can make it comprehensible to mere mortals ;)
[11:53] <Guybrush|Numb> you should take note of the last spawned processes (higher PIDs) excluding the shell you are sitting on (the last couple processes), see which is the last process that GNOME started and that is stuck
[11:53] <topyli> thoreauputic: oh, that didn't sound right. you know what i mean and what i don't :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> hehe
[11:54] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, k, thanks. I'm sure I'll be back in a couple minutes
[11:54] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: you welcome, i am convinced that ubuntu excels on the desktop, but good old debian woody is perfect for console and server usage
[11:54] <topyli> thoreauputic: yes. doesn't seem like "for dummies" stuff still
[11:55] <Pyrus> that's what I thought, but since ubuntu has more udates ... I thought that might be interesting too Guybrush|Numb
[11:55] <thoreauputic> topyli: oh no - some of her articles are quite advanced and aimed at sysadmins etc
[11:55] <Guybrush|Numb> i've never seen a free software project with such an helpful community, this is f**king awesome
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: ah, it's called Ubuntu for a reason ;-)
[11:56] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: thats why most of us changed ;)
[11:56] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: for a firewall, woody is the best, few updates means there are fewer bugs ;-)
[11:56] <topyli> thoreauputic: looking at the topics, most of it seems to be admin stuff
[11:56] <Pyrus> also true :)
[11:57] <topyli> Pyrus: i agree with Guybrush|Numb. for such a box, debian stable is the one
[11:57] <Evaso> hi guys, what about pmount and udf writing in ubuntu?
[11:57] <Evaso> is this actually working on hoary?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> well time for a shower and a meeting (*groan*)
[11:57] <Guybrush|Numb> Evaso: hi! I don't have a clue :)
[11:57] <thoreauputic> see you all later...
[11:57] <topyli> thoreauputic: bless you
[11:57] <thoreauputic> topyli: :)
[11:57] <Pyrus> thanks for the help you guys :) I don't know that much about ubuntu yet, apparently it's more of a desktop distro
[11:58] <Guybrush|Numb> good day!
[11:58] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: u're right, the best one :)
[11:58] <topyli> Pyrus: yes. it's unstable with support basically  :)
[11:58] <Evaso> guybrush: clue?
[11:59] <Guybrush|Numb> Evaso: i don't have any idea :-) but it was not polite not to salute you
[11:59] <Evaso> what kernel actually has hoary?
[11:59] <Klaas> current is 2.20
[11:59] <Guybrush|Numb> topyli: what should i do, first install xorg and then dist-upgrade, or the other way around ?
[11:59] <Klaas> Just installed ;-)


[10:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume you've no issues with us not doing alpha 1 or 2 again?
[15:45] <bluesabre> flocculant: no issues here
[15:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: good
[15:49] <flocculant> apart from anything a1 is next week and no-one from a flavour has started the ball rolling yet :D
[15:59] <bluesabre> :D
[16:19] <tracker9> exit
[16:19] <tracker9> quiet
[16:19] <tracker9> bye
[16:22] <bluesabre> IRC is hard.
[16:28] <flocculant> heh
[17:31] <PaulW2U> flocculant, akxwi-dave: Sorry, not much more from me for a while thanks to that ISP whose frontman sports a beard and a woolly jumper. Had hoped to be more involved this cycle. IRC always on via WeeChat and VPS. Still 100% Xubuntu locally. Will do what little I can using 3 and EE. C'est la vie.  :(
[17:32] <flocculant> oh my - good luck :(