[00:51] <mspencer> How do I find out if a bug is really a bug and not a feature? It is in Unity.
[00:56] <persia> mspencer: Do you mean to ask whether a given behaviour was intended or not, or do you mean to ask whether a given behaviour should be preserved in the future or not?
[00:56] <persia> In either case, discussions with upstream are the best route to an answer.
[00:57] <mspencer> I mean was it intended to work the way it does.
[00:57] <persia> But it likely saves confusion to be very clear about the question, and avoid valued semantics "bug", "feature" in the hopes of not getting a canned response.
[00:58] <mspencer> Sorry, I'm wondering for LP #1019457 if the dash is supposed to close or not, and how I would find out.
[00:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1019457 in unity (Ubuntu) "The Dash closes when trying to switch to the Command lens (Alt+F2)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1019457
[01:00] <mspencer> Would I contact the Desktop Team for this?
[01:01] <persia> You want the upstream authors: the Desktop Team is probably a good place to start, and some upstream folk hang out in the desktop channel
[01:02] <mspencer> I asked an hour ago on #ubuntu-desktop but haven't gotten any response, so I wanted to check to see if that is where I should ask.
[01:04] <mspencer> Should I try the mailing list for the team?
[01:04] <persia> I'd try asking during EU business hours: that seems to be when that team is most active.
[01:07] <mspencer> Okay, thanks.
[19:44] <jmburgess> Hello. I'm trying to start 5-a-day and working on bug #1076387 would that be libmetacity-private0 or ubuntu-release-upgrader-core?
[19:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1076387 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Oneiric to Precise upgrade fails with 'files list file for package libmetacity-private0 is missing final newline' message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076387
[19:45] <jmburgess> it seems like it's a libmetacity bug but I can't find anybody else who has the bug which is suspect


[01:16] <flan> nisshh, hi.
[02:19] <nisshh> flan, wooo! finally you highlighted me back! :)
[02:20] <nisshh> flan, i only have one question for you after all that: are you willing to host the screenshots for the developer manual on your server?
[02:21] <nisshh> flan, by screenshots i mean act as a quickshot server
[02:47] <j1mc> hi all
[09:56] <daker> hello
[09:56] <nisshh> hey daker :)
[09:56] <daker> is there any progress ?
[09:56] <nisshh> daker, dunno, the channel has been quiet today
[09:56] <nisshh> nothing on the ML either
[09:57] <daker> nothing from humphreybc ?
[09:57] <nisshh> daker, not as far as i know, nothing since his email to the list on monday
[09:58] <daker> ok
[09:59] <nisshh> daker, i could be wrong though, i am very busy with my own stuff at the moment


[09:04] <gammakrikit> hi everybody :)
[10:11] <duanedesign> o/
[11:05] <r4y> OK, I am having a problem with Ubuntu 10.04 where after I install and update I evenually can't login. When I try to login the desktop pops up but then quickly sends me back to the login screen. I've installed 4 times, and now I am afraid to reboot
[11:06] <r4y> I've done a few things different then last time though
[11:08] <r4y> I installed and used smartmontools, did sudo apt-get clean, did sudo dpkg --configure -a, and did sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop. smart passed
[11:09] <r4y> Is there anything else I should do?, Also I noticed that at the login screen that power management said it wasn't finished, and I remember reading to try reinstalling power management
[11:10] <evilduanedesign> hmm, that is strange
[11:12] <evilduanedesign> one thing you might consider is upgrading to a newer release. Ubuntu 10.04 reaches its 'End of Life' in April
[11:13] <evilduanedesign> if you open the update manager you should have an option at the top to upgrade to the newer release
[11:14] <evilduanedesign> I have never heard of being able to log in and then ou geet loged out
[11:14] <evilduanedesign> you*
[11:15] <r4y> I know, I guess I should be trying other Ubuntu versions, I tried Ubuntu 12.04 and didn't like it. I just wanted to be able to setup and backup info. The problem I am having is one of my other hard drives has init but grub doesn't work and I tried using boot-repair but it only fixed init when I coulodn't even mount that hard drive
[11:15] <r4y> I guess I should use a live cd though
[11:16] <r4y> And use this drive live a flash drive which I have never done
[11:17] <evilduanedesign> r4y: only thing i vcan think of is maybe their is not enough disk space for temporary files?
[11:17] <evilduanedesign> not sure how much free space you have on your HD
[11:17] <r4y> A lot
[11:17] <r4y> 266 GBs
[11:18] <evilduanedesign> thats not it then :)
[11:19] <r4y> Hmm, is there a text file I should print up related to logging I should paste into pastebin?
[11:19] <r4y> I meant paste not print
[11:20] <r4y> Or grub?
[11:20] <evilduanedesign> you might look at /var/log/syslog
[11:20] <evilduanedesign> for any clues as o why this is hapenning
[11:21] <evilduanedesign> their is a log viewer app or you can use the terminal command: sudo cat /var/log/syslog | less
[11:22] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1616041/
[11:23] <evilduanedesign> r4y: I did find this thread on the forums...sems you were/are not the only one with the issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1576472
[11:28] <r4y> It seems that that thread is of a different problem I think because I login and it logs me out. I mean it's not logging me out right now for no reason, and the only way to login when I can't seem to login is by using the failsafe graphics mode. No 3d graphics installed by the way, there was no extra driver I could install on this system. In fact this motherboard has a built in card and is an...
[11:28] <r4y> ...Emachines computer
[11:29] <r4y> Obviously though I don't know what the problem is
[11:30] <r4y> Perhaps it has something to with my power supply and or I need to reinstall power management
[11:31] <r4y> I don't remember what the package was suggested somewhere to reinstall, but I just Googled and I see a package with gnome in the name
[11:33] <r4y> gnome-power-manager
[11:36] <r4y> OK, well, I might as well see if one of the things I did make this work and if it passes my small test then I will come back and say it passed. If it doesn't pass then I will be trying out other versions of Ubuntu, like the ones Unit193 suggested to try like L, K and X versions
[11:36] <evilduanedesign> i dont see anything in the log
[11:36] <r4y> TY for trying to help me.
[11:36] <evilduanedesign> r4y: the bug might be fixed in a newer ubuntu version
[11:37] <evilduanedesign> you can upgrade to 10.10, and then 12.04 which is the new LTS
[11:37] <r4y> Perhaps I should try Ubuntu 10.10 then. OK, TY for the suggestion
[11:37] <r4y> You beat me to hitting typing and hitting enter
[11:38] <evilduanedesign> You should be able to upgrade through the update manaer so you do not have to do a reinstall
[11:38] <evilduanedesign> ]:)
[11:38] <r4y> I prefer doing clean installs
[11:38] <r4y> It's great that Ubuntu can be installed from USB
[11:39] <r4y> In fact I think it installs faster with USB then CD for me
[11:39] <evilduanedesign> keep in ming the newer versions of ubuntu do not fit on a cd so you will need  a dvd or usb flash drive
[11:39] <evilduanedesign> ok you have done a usb install, good.
[11:39] <r4y> OK, I might have a DVD disc lying around, and my writer is a dvd writer
[11:40] <evilduanedesign> I did my first one the other day. Because I had been doing upgrades for years and wanted a clean install
[11:40] <r4y> I was trying to install Ubuntu 10.04 from CD the first couple of times
[11:40] <evilduanedesign> a seperate /home partition is udeful
[11:40] <evilduanedesign> usefull*
[11:41] <evilduanedesign> so when you do have to do a new install your personal files are saved
[11:41] <r4y> Well, I should try this.I also reinstalled gnome-power-manager
[11:41] <r4y> Couldn't I use this hard drive like a flash drive?
[11:42] <r4y> I mean empty otherwise
[11:42] <r4y> No OS
[11:42] <evilduanedesign> to do an install/
[11:42] <evilduanedesign> ?
[11:42] <r4y> No, to use for backing up with no OS
[11:42] <evilduanedesign> sory dark here, I need a lighted keyboard :) lots of typos
[11:43] <r4y> I mess up when typing all the time
[11:43] <evilduanedesign> yeah, i think so. Just format it ext4 or...
[11:44] <evilduanedesign> oh my brain is failing me. Another format you can use for cross platform
[11:44] <r4y> I can format using disk utility but I remember getting confused about which format tab to click
[11:45] <r4y> Format volume or format drive and yes do so unmounted from a live cd of coarse
[11:46] <r4y> I think it must be volume
[11:46] <evilduanedesign> you could create one large EXT4 partition if you are only intending to use this with Linux. Remember, Windows will not recognise EXT* partitions. If you are intending to share between the two, use NTFS.
[11:46] <evilduanedesign> from forumm post
[11:46] <evilduanedesign> why it reads weird :)
[11:47] <r4y> Right, I think I will be just using Linux
[11:47] <evilduanedesign> cool
[11:47] <r4y> O, so use the other option then?
[11:47] <evilduanedesign> I would use ext4
[11:47] <r4y> don't format volume, format the drive
[11:48] <evilduanedesign> if you are going to use the while HD do the drive
[11:49] <evilduanedesign> if you want to save some space for an os do a partition and format the volume
[11:49] <r4y> O
[11:49] <evilduanedesign> you could put a smal linux distro on it like Damn small Linux
[11:49] <evilduanedesign> those are fun to play with
[11:49] <r4y> LOL, great name
[11:50] <evilduanedesign> I have tiny core linux on my machine
[11:51] <r4y> Well, I am going to see what happens. I will come back on the usb if it doesn't pass to say if so
[11:51] <evilduanedesign> they are neat. Amazing what they can do with such a small install
[11:52] <r4y> TY so much for teaching me, you are all great
[11:52] <evilduanedesign> tiny core even has a litttle launcher a tthe bottom http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Tiny-Core-Linux-1-3-Has-Better-Support-for-Flash-Drives-2.jpg
[11:52] <evilduanedesign> sorry to get off topic :)
[11:52] <r4y> No, that's neat
[11:53] <evilduanedesign> I think it is 12MB install
[11:53] <r4y> Wow, crazy
[11:53] <evilduanedesign> it is. They are fun
[11:53] <r4y> My install is 2.6 GBs
[11:53] <r4y> And that's without the packages I might want
[11:53] <evilduanedesign> yeah mine has reached 5 or 6 GB
[11:54] <evilduanedesign> but I have a ton of apps I probably do not need. I have a disease called install anything that sounds remotely neat
[11:54] <evilduanedesign> i wish you the best of luck friend
[11:55] <r4y> I feel the same way, like for instance I like to use Banshee instead of Rhythmbox and I prefer Deluge over trasmission
[11:55] <evilduanedesign> i have MOC installed. It is a terminal based music player
[11:56] <r4y> However what I found great about rhythmbox was using it to see what the bitrate was for many many audio files at one time
[11:56]  * evilduanedesign nods
[11:56] <evilduanedesign> i like amarok
[11:56] <r4y> I haven't tried it
[11:57] <r4y> I will be back
[11:57] <evilduanedesign> a lot of people used to stay away from it because it was a KDE (QT) app
[11:57] <evilduanedesign> but ubuntu has al those QT apps installed now
[11:58] <evilduanedesign> o/
[11:58] <r4y> kpackage manager
[11:58] <r4y> I remember using kpackage manager to fix ZSNES
[11:59] <evilduanedesign> is that of cool
[11:59] <r4y> Yep sure is that cool
[11:59] <evilduanedesign> i should install that on my machine. i have an NES emulator on my phone
[11:59] <r4y> I did a lot of emulator testing for video games
[11:59] <r4y> I mean for
[12:00] <evilduanedesign> interesting
[12:00] <r4y> finding the emulators I liked
[12:00] <r4y> I am not a dev of coarse
[12:00] <evilduanedesign> i had a blast playing the original  legend of zelda again
[12:00] <r4y> O, there is a hacked version that is insane
[12:01] <evilduanedesign> really, sounds neat
[12:01] <r4y> Legend Of Zelda Parallel Worlds
[12:01] <evilduanedesign> i will look for it
[12:01] <r4y> Yam wow was that crazy, it has a glitch related to falling into holes
[12:02] <r4y> I meant ya
[12:02] <r4y> Alright, TY I will be back
[12:02] <evilduanedesign> you can always join #ubuntu-beginners-team. That is where the beginners team hangs out. It is an open team full of lots of cool people FYI
[12:03] <evilduanedesign> ok, ill get back to my java homework :\
[12:03] <r4y> I am not sure that I am worthy
[12:04] <r4y> Life right now however is too much for me though as well
[12:04] <evilduanedesign> right
[12:04] <evilduanedesign> real life first, ubuntu 2nd
[12:04] <evilduanedesign> :)
[12:05] <r4y> My lower back was giving me trouble but I think I found a way to fix it
[12:05] <evilduanedesign> ugh back trouble is no fun
[12:05] <r4y> I also have gone to the chiropractor
[12:05] <evilduanedesign> hope it gets better for you
[12:06] <r4y> But my dad had seen a chiropractor who suggested puting a nerf ball under the lower back
[12:07] <evilduanedesign> i have a co worker that has one of those super expensive ikea chairs
[12:07] <r4y> it helps, and heat is great, but healing is very important because of tense muscles. I think I am over it though
[12:07] <r4y> lumbar support
[12:07] <r4y> spelling
[12:08] <r4y> I think I can finally fight life again
[12:08] <evilduanedesign> sorry Aeron
[12:08] <evilduanedesign> Aeron office chair
[12:08] <evilduanedesign> like close to $1000
[12:09] <r4y> No, I actually wasn't sure of my spelling with lumbar
[12:09] <evilduanedesign> whenever he takes days of I use it, it is really really nice
[12:09] <r4y> Neat
[12:09] <evilduanedesign> it does make a difference
[12:10] <r4y> It was my own fault for hurting my back when trying to get into shape
[12:11] <evilduanedesign> i had a problem from slouching. My ribs were actually bruising my organs/insides
[12:11] <r4y> Oo, ouch
[12:12] <evilduanedesign> I hurt my shoulder once working out
[12:12] <r4y> When I went to the chiropractor once he said that one of my ribs was barely hold on and that the muscle was holding it
[12:12] <evilduanedesign> ironic when you hurt yourself trying to get in shape :)
[12:13] <evilduanedesign> i guess i shouldnt :) it is not funny
[12:13] <evilduanedesign> issues like your back can really affect your life
[12:14] <r4y> YA, I know what you mean. I was in a pool with kids playing nerf football. The kind of nerf ball that soaks up water and they were pulling on my left shoulder and I was pulling the ball upward. Never again, LOL
[12:14] <evilduanedesign> ouch
[12:15] <evilduanedesign> my dad dislocated hii shoulder trying to do a 'canopener' off the diving board at 50 years old.
[12:15] <r4y> Yoga can help but it doesn't fix it per say
[12:15] <evilduanedesign> i have never tried yoga but always wanted to
[12:16] <r4y> I learned a bunch of ground yoga, but only what felt great from a book
[12:16] <evilduanedesign> I looked at several books but could not decide on one
[12:16] <r4y> I wasn't using the internet then. I suggest tryin youtube
[12:17] <evilduanedesign> oh, god idea
[12:17] <evilduanedesign> good*
[12:17] <r4y> There is a difference between the upward dog and the cobra
[12:17] <r4y> I don't do the cobra
[12:18] <r4y> but because I am not sure about it yet
[12:18] <evilduanedesign> i was about to say, did you find that out the hard way
[12:18] <r4y> No
[12:18] <evilduanedesign> ah
[12:18] <r4y> I just didn't know
[12:18] <r4y> I always have just the upward dog and didn'
[12:19] <r4y> put it together until recently
[12:19] <evilduanedesign> i think the you tube suggestion is a good one. Where i live not many oga options. kinda of a conservative southern town
[12:20] <r4y> Make sure to check out different videos on the same poses first. Also I think it helps to make a folder and gather pictures to remember poses
[12:20] <evilduanedesign> plus you tube is cheaper then going to a yoga studio :)
[12:20] <r4y> lol, ya
[12:20]  * evilduanedesign nods
[12:20] <evilduanedesign> thats a good idea
[12:21] <r4y> ha ha it's 420 here
[12:21] <r4y> I don't smoke just saying
[12:21] <evilduanedesign> :)
[12:21] <r4y> 3x4x5x7=420
[12:21] <evilduanedesign> when i was in high school i had a bumper sticker on my locker that said 'its 4:19 you got a minute"
[12:22] <evilduanedesign> but that was then
[12:22] <r4y> lol
[12:22] <r4y> O, how the times change
[12:22] <r4y> Well, you know what I mean
[12:22] <evilduanedesign> yeah
[12:23] <r4y> I guess I should try this, I will be back
[12:23] <evilduanedesign> ok
[12:23] <evilduanedesign> o/
[12:23] <r4y> o/
[12:30] <r4y> Sorry, I got side tracked. It seems that one of the things I did must have worked, but I should try restarting a few more time to be on the safe side
[12:31] <r4y> There were at least 5 things I did
[12:32] <r4y> My test was to restart and login, then try shutting down and logging in, and both passed
[12:32] <r4y> I am going to make sure again
[12:36] <r4y> Yes, it's still working
[12:37] <r4y> I tried restarting twice always logging of coarse, then shutting down twice always logging in
[12:37] <r4y> It's works, now I can start backing up
[12:38] <r4y> I should make a text file of this
[12:46] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1616497/
[12:47] <r4y> Alright, I am out, TY for the help
[12:49] <r4y> I guess I could try narrowing down which one really solves the problem
[12:58] <r4y> I want to put this text file on my flash drive and I tried to mark it so it is not an exuctable. It has Ubuntu 10.04 for installing on it. Should there be a problem?
[13:02] <r4y> It keeps marking it as an executable file. Perhaps I should make a folder to make it not work?, or maybe there is no need to worry
[13:05] <r4y> I guess it isn't a problem.
[13:07] <escott> r4y. fat doesnt have permissions
[14:35] <coolbhavi> smartboyhw, hey
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Hey coolbhavi
[14:35] <coolbhavi> pm?
[14:36] <smartboyhw> coolbhavi, sure
[18:31] <Nick07> hello, i need to start and login ubuntu without monitor
[20:27] <iggy19_> Hey all.  I really appreciate all the help I get in this chan.  Thanks so much!
[20:29] <iggy19_> I have a /home/user directory with 1.9G total, df shows all but 49M used, and I can't figure out what is taking up all the space.  Searching for files over 1024K shows nothing, and only nine files in the whole tree over 512K, and most directories with few files in them.  Any thoughts on what I am missing?
[20:33] <Unit193> You can use the 'du' command, or even easier, ncdu to find out what's taking up the space.  Hopefully correct permissions are set, thus not "hiding" something in a subdir.
[20:33] <geirha> du -mx --maxdepth=1 /home/user | sort -n
[20:35] <geirha> maybe with -a as well
[20:35] <geirha> err, and without the typo.  du -amx --max-depth=1 /home/user | sort -n
[20:38] <iggy19_> reading man for ncdu now.  looks great.  thanks
[21:43] <iggy19_> 961MB in .thumbnails
[22:27] <iggy19_> seems that one can set a max size for .thumbnails in the configuration editor.  Yet, the setting was 512(MB?), so is clearly not working in my case.  Thoughts?


[07:52] <korean101> only support single nova-consoleauth? (https://jujucharms.com/nova-cloud-controller/#charm-config-single-nova-consoleauth)
[07:52] <korean101> i use Newton Releases
[07:52] <korean101> 3 controller nodes + HAProxy
[07:53] <korean101> start nova-consoleauth on all 3 nodes, checking token false
[07:53] <korean101> but start nova-consoleauth on only 1 node, checking token true
[07:53] <korean101> how can i use 3 nova-consoleauth?
[07:54] <korean101> i already try to [cache section in nova.conf
[15:07] <Budgie^Smore> are we having fun yet
[15:08] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: but of course! Go Monday!
[15:10] <Budgie^Smore> rick_h lol :)
[19:02] <rick_h> lazyPower: ping
[19:04] <rick_h> lazyPower: ignore me, emailed and such since that makes more sense :)
[20:53] <spaok> hello, is there a way to rename a deployed application?
[20:55] <rick_h> spaok: no, unfortunately not
[20:56] <spaok> if i deploy a new service, is there a way to move machines? or do I need to redeploy them?
[20:57] <rick_h> spaok: you'd need redeploy. It's built on the cloud model of you can add/remove units basically
[20:57] <spaok> ok, thanks rick_h


[01:52] <obra> Are folks around? I posted about 9 hours ago - I'm seeing weird freezes apparently in the SCSI device with ubuntu on qemu-arm. Is this a known obvious idiotic thing I'm doing?
[02:36] <julianoliver> i'm targetting ARM7. does the current version of Ubuntu-ARM support this architecture (even experimentally) or is this slated for an April release?
[02:49] <julianoliver> i refer to http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux
[11:56] <julianoliver> i'm targetting ARM7. does the current version of Ubuntu-ARM support this architecture (even experimentally) or is this slated for an April release?
[11:56] <julianoliver> i refer to http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux
[11:58] <armin76> julianoliver: ubuntu atm is armv5 afaik, and it does work with armv7
[12:09] <julianoliver> what kind of speed difference would i be look at for raw number crunching?
[12:09] <julianoliver> s/look/looking/
[12:10] <julianoliver> eg comparing Ubuntu optomised for armv5 to Angstrom optomised for armv7
[12:12] <armin76> no clue, i don't have an armv7 :)
[12:13] <armin76> and i'm no ubuntu dev either
[12:18] <julianoliver> right thanks.
[13:22] <lool> obra: No idea about your specific problem, I recall someone mentionning scsi OOPSes in qemu because generic SCSI support was turned on -- IIRC; but I'm surprized you get this with Aurélien's kernel
[13:22] <lool> obra: I'd report to the qemu folks in all cases
[13:23] <lool> julianoliver: It's hard to tell, but there are noticeable differences between ARMv5 and ARMv6 + VFP at least
[13:23] <lool> So I'd expect v7 + VFP to imply an even more noticeable difference
[13:39] <julianoliver> lool: right, thanks.
[13:44] <julianoliver> lool: i'll try to make use of as many armv7 compile-time optomisations for my code and see if that helps.
[14:23] <julianoliver> i'm trying to use the script build-arm-rootfs and after a long process of downloading and building it fails with this output: http://rafb.net/p/tCVnne85.html
[14:23] <julianoliver> hehe ugh.. i see that the typo's mine
[14:23] <julianoliver> nvm.
[23:45] <maxriskfactor> I am trying to make the memory available more than 256MB while making ubuntu arm to run under qemu-system-arm
[23:45] <maxriskfactor> anybody facing the same problem?
[23:46] <maxriskfactor> i get a segfault when giving more than 256MB


[03:18] <jog> axw, axw_, your commit to the structured-metadata branch didn't run through CI because it needs a version update, since 1.26-alpha3 was released to devel late last week.
[03:21] <axw> jog, ok, thanks
[04:03]  * thumper is done for another day
[04:03] <thumper> laters folks
[08:32] <frobware> jam, ping
[08:34] <jam> frobware: pong
[08:34] <jam> I heard you were up late trying to work on this stuff, thanks for helping me pick it up
[08:34] <frobware> jam, If I ask MAAS for the DNS info it comes back empty
[08:35] <frobware> jam, np - though I need to go out in about 10 mins
[08:35] <jam> frobware: dns_servers for the subnet comes back with nothing? I wonder how maas is filling it out from DHCP.
[08:35] <jam> I have the feeling there are some secret bits to configuration that neither MaaS nor we were realizing.
[08:36] <frobware> jam, I took a path to least resistance. We already parse the hosts /etc/resolv.conf so I took that route here too.
[08:36] <frobware> jam, if I `maas 9 nodes list |grep dns` I get no entries
[08:36] <frobware> jam, well, I get  "dns_servers": []
[08:37] <frobware> jam, when I say "already" that's what we do when address-allocation is enabled
[08:38] <jam> frobware: k, I think the trick there is that maas has a space for people to set up dns servers for subnets that you define, but they don't actually put their own information into the one that they manage
[08:38] <frobware> jam, I was almost confused by "space" there. :)
[08:39] <jam> frobware: can we think of anything other than nameservers that DHCP would be setting up that we would be missing?
[08:39] <jam> heh
[08:39] <jam> Like routes ?
[08:39] <frobware> jam, if you look at the containers /e/n/i it seems to do that itself
[08:40] <jam> frobware: gateway IP seems to be in the DHCP message
[08:40] <jam> but I'm guessing we know we need to set that up already?
[08:41] <frobware> jam, hmm. so this is specified in the LXC config
[08:42] <frobware> jam, and looking at my container I have a default route
[08:42] <jam> so DHCP has a fair number of options, Router, Time Server, Name Server, Domain Name Server, Log Server, Cookie Server, LPR Server, Impress Server, Resource Location Server
[08:43] <jam> Host Name, Boot File Size, Merit Dump File, Domain Name, Swap Server, Root Path, Extensions Path
[08:43] <jam> I'm guessing we don't need to use all of those, but that would be the sort of thing that we need to be clear on what we are and aren't using as we switch away from DHCP
[08:44] <frobware> jam, ac
[08:44] <frobware> jam, ack
[08:44] <jam> as long as its "ack" and not "ack!"  :)
[08:44] <jam> (eek! (?) )
[08:44] <frobware> jam, try ag. or pt.
[08:45] <jam> heh. I'm happy with ack, just bringing levity.
[08:45] <frobware> jam, and ag is nicely integrated with Emacs. But pt is written in go...
[08:45] <jam> wouldn't it just be "p" in go ?
[08:45] <jam> can't waste characters like that
[08:46] <frobware> jam, depends on font size
[08:47] <frobware> jam, is there anything else I can convey now? I'll check back in later but I suspect you'll be long gone.
[08:48] <jam> frobware: no I think we're good. I'll take custody of your patch and add some tests, and do some due diligence that we aren't missing anything else.
[08:48] <jam> frobware: thanks for helping on this during your holiday. enjoy your day
[08:48] <frobware> jam, great and thank you!
[08:51] <frobware> jam, so there was 1 unit tests failure. FAIL: client_validation_test.go:56: ClientValidationSuite.TestClaimLeaseName
[08:51] <frobware> jam, I didn't see that for the single run I did locally
[08:53]  * frobware needs to run - already late. Adios!
[09:38] <jam> weird, that test passes here
[09:38] <jam> seems like it is a random failure, but I'll investigate
[11:43] <jam> jog_: when you're around give me a ping
[13:48] <mup> Bug #1528572 opened: lxcBrokerSuite.TestStopInstance fails if a loopback is currently mounted <testing> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1528572>
[15:05] <ericsnow> natefinch: can you see or hear me on the hangout?
[16:18] <natefinch> ericsnow: trying to figure out the right place to convert Timestamp to used.  I guess the question is - do we expect Used to be printed out in the yaml output, or not?
[16:19] <ericsnow> natefinch: convert it in the formatter
[16:20] <ericsnow> natefinch: Used should be a field on the new "formatted" struct
[16:20] <natefinch> ericsnow: ok, yeah, that's basically what I was wondering - should it be in the struct or is it purely a "view" of the data in tabular format.
[16:21] <natefinch> ericsnow: I'm fine with it being in the struct
[16:21] <ericsnow> natefinch: k
[16:22] <natefinch> ericsnow: lol, just noticed resource.Type ... where there's only one valid value :/  (not your fault of course)   .... do we know what other values besides "file" might be used?
[16:23] <ericsnow> natefinch: there was talk of other things like repos
[16:23] <natefinch> ericsnow: that's interesting
[16:23] <ericsnow> natefinch: haven't worried about it because the semantics aren't clear and I don't have time :)
[16:23] <natefinch> ericsnow: right.
[16:55] <jog> jam, pong
[17:04] <perrito666> jam: hey can we schedule a time after the shutdown to go over security groups in aws so I make sure I dont screw anything?
[17:09] <perrito666> oh, cmoom, blocked? that is so unfair
[18:52] <natefinch> ericsnow: I note that the FormattedCharmResource has a bunch of fields not actually used in the tabular format... do you think we should drop them until they're asked for?
[18:52] <ericsnow> natefinch: we expose them through the JSON and YAML formatters
[18:53] <natefinch> ericsnow: yes, but there's not even anything in the spec about there being json and yaml formatters, let alone what fields are expected to be there
[18:54] <ericsnow> natefinch: so are you arguing that we should drop them?  If so, why?
[18:54] <rick_h_> natefinch: ericsnow any list commands should take fornstters so they're consistent
[18:55] <natefinch> rick_h_: ok
[18:55] <natefinch> ericsnow: just don't want to presume what should be displayed
[18:55] <ericsnow> natefinch: understood
[18:55] <natefinch> ericsnow: less to maintain
[18:57] <natefinch> rick_h_: there's a limited amount of information shown in the two list resources commands, as written in the spec.  Presumably this is to keep the tabular format small.  But what should we put in the yaml/json?  In theory, there's a lot more we can put in there, but my initial assumption would be to just put in the same data as in tabular
[18:57] <ericsnow> natefinch: we should put everything in there, which is what we've done
[18:59] <natefinch> ericsnow: "everything" is a rather fungible concept, though
[18:59] <natefinch> I guess that's why we do demos :)
[18:59] <ericsnow> natefinch: :)
[19:00]  * perrito666 imagines juju status returning even the source code for juju itself
[19:01] <rick_h_> natefinch: ericsnow i'm notnsure what thenlist of all metadats is but i'd think a basic dump of known details that matched up with a show command
[19:01] <rick_h_> natefinch: ericsnow but to be bqckward compatible best tonstart with less and add sipport than tonrekove later as anbackward incompatiblenchange
[19:02] <natefinch> yeah, I was just thinking that... once we start writing things out, we have to support those fields for forever
[19:02] <natefinch> though obviously that's not written in stone until we merge to master ;)
[19:02] <ericsnow> natefinch: let's table any changes there to after this iteration is complete (make a card)
[19:02] <rick_h_> natefinch: so i'm open tona list and starting feedback from stakeholders on 'need it' vs 'nope'
[19:03] <natefinch> ericsnow: sounds good
[20:32]  * natefinch just invented a new word - charmtabular.
[20:32] <natefinch> thumper: hope you're having a charmtabular day so far.
[20:35] <thumper> pretty quiet so far
[20:35] <thumper> get to just focus on hacking for a change
[20:35] <natefinch> nice
[20:36] <natefinch> I can tell I'm working with ericsnow's code, because everything gets a lot easier now that I have 5 windows open ;)
[20:36]  * ericsnow opens another tab to read natefinch's message
[20:37] <natefinch> haha
[20:38] <natefinch> honestly, it's not so hard with two big monitors, it's doijng it all on one 15" monitor that's the real problem (for me)
[21:12] <natefinch> ericsnow: this is a bad habit to get into: https://github.com/juju/charm/blob/v6-unstable/resource/fingerprint.go#L23
[21:12] <natefinch> ericsnow: far better to make() the target slice the correct size and just use copy to copy it over
[21:12] <ericsnow> natefinch: I started doing it when I saw it done in the stdlib :)
[21:13] <natefinch> ericsnow: hmm... maybe append is smarter than I'm thinking
[21:44] <natefinch> ericsnow: far better to make() the target slice the correct size and just use copy to copy it over
[21:45] <natefinch> oops
[21:46] <natefinch> ericsnow: I was just doing some benchmarking... I guess apend actually is smarter than I realized.  both are very very similar in memory usage and speed.
[21:47] <natefinch> I figured append would be wasteful of space, but it looks like it's just rounding up a little on capacity
[22:01] <mup> Bug #1528703 opened: juju unable to deploy juju-gui to lxc containers on servers with multiple networks <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1528703>
[22:04] <mup> Bug #1528703 changed: juju unable to deploy juju-gui to lxc containers on servers with multiple networks <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1528703>
[22:07] <mup> Bug #1528703 opened: juju unable to deploy juju-gui to lxc containers on servers with multiple networks <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1528703>


[07:35] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:02] <catphish> i'd like to configure an ethernet interface with a /32 primary IP and /24 secondary IP, will ifupdown let me do this?
[11:03] <catphish> or am i better off configuring the /24, then adding the /32 and updating the source IP for routes afterwards?
[11:04] <lordievader> Believe so. IIRC you can simply add two "address" specifications.
[11:05] <catphish> i didn't know what was even possible! i've always used post-up commands for secondary IPs  in the past
[11:05] <catphish> alternatively i guess i can just add the /24 with ifupdown normally then add the /32 as an extra IP, and default route with the custom source IP in a post-up
[11:06] <catphish> the aim is to have a /24 LAN IP, but then a /32 IP for outbound WAN traffic
[11:08] <catphish> which IP is primary is probably irrelivant to the source on the defaut route anyway
[11:08] <catphish> thanks, i'll have a play
[11:20] <catphish> turns out i'm an idiot, these servers have netplan
[11:21] <catphish> so i just need to work out how to choose the source IP for the default route in netplan
[15:18] <coreycb> sahid: python-tabulate (git)merged and uploaded to focal. thanks for the updates.
[15:19] <tomreyn> so... 2.5 months to go for autoinstall to be implemnted, tested, serious bugs to be fixed. is this actually realistic?
[15:20] <tomreyn> 18.04 LTS's server installer was a mess, I have a feeling it'll be the same in 20.04 :-/
[15:22] <sahid> coreycb: ack, thanks for the review
[15:23] <sdeziel> tomreyn: someone's working on this ATM, see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/server-autoinstall-design-questions/14207
[15:24] <tomreyn> sdeziel: yes, and my calendar says january 31st
[15:24] <tomreyn> i'm glad it's being worked on, though
[15:30] <tomreyn> there once used to be a principle (or just a goal?) to get major changes into the release before an LTS, and this semed to make a lot of sense.
[15:31] <tomreyn> anyways, this is the wrong place to spread a bad mood, i'm just disappointed with where ubuntu is heading. will move it elsewhere.
[15:51] <rbasak> tomreyn: let's wait for the outcome. The installer is a little special here - it can now be updated out of band of Ubuntu releases. Not being directly involved with it I'm not sure what the plans are around that, but it does mean that the usual risk is reduced. The usual hard deadline is feature freeze anyway, and we're not there yet.
[15:56] <tomreyn> I can't live update the installer on airgapped systems (yes, can be a corner case). I'll not be able to wait, but will certainly watch.
[16:38] <isostatic> I'm reserving judgement tomreyn, but in theory if the installer didn't work until August, a working server CD / etc with 2004 could be released then
[16:47] <tomreyn> isostatic: sure, if it'll be ready then, but ideally in april.
[17:33] <rbasak> isostatic: but wouldn't you want the ISO to remain...static? :-P
[17:34] <isostatic> My build ISO hasn't changed since 2008, other than a new initrd and kernel and menu item every 2 years :D
[17:34] <isostatic> (Actually I lie, I did update isolinux to use a pretty menu about 4 years ago)
[18:41] <sahid> coreycb: cinder for focal in ready in my repo
[18:54] <johnfg> hi folks
[18:56] <johnfg> The installation of 19.10 server, LAMP pkg, installed mysql vs. mariadb.  Is mysql what's 'expected' on ubuntu vs. mariadb?
[18:59] <quadrathoch2> mariadb is the expected LAMP stack johnfg
[18:59] <sarnold> johnfg: that's your choice; mysql is in main, so there's more testing around it, but the mariadb updates provided by a community member are usually pretty timely
[18:59] <johnfg> quadrathoch2: Coming from debian buster, I thought so too.  However, mysql is installed and not mariadb.
[19:00] <quadrathoch2> johnfg: welp what sarnold said, I didn't even know :) so here you go
[19:05] <johnfg> I guess since it's here installed, unless I have problems, I'll stick with mysql.
[19:13] <johnfg> Truly, I've not found very much, if any, difference between the 2, in executing anything.
[19:16] <sarnold> johnfg: just be sure you don't try to swap between the two just for fun :)
[19:17] <sarnold> something like 80% of the bugs I see on both in launchpad come from folks who have tried swapping between them on the fly, or try one and then the other
[19:20] <sdeziel> IIRC, only mysql has an Apparmor profile shipped by the package
[19:20] <sdeziel> I remember the mariadb maintainer trying to get one too but I don't think it happened yet
[19:20] <sarnold> yeah, having a profile in one but not the other is like 60% of those bugs
[19:22] <johnfg> Good advice!  Thanks!
[19:23] <sarnold> (otto's even been working on upstream apparmor project to try to improve the notifications around apparmor denials :)
[19:23] <johnfg> I just noticed, working on the same thing, that in ubuntu, as it was on debian, root is the owner.group of /var/www.  On debian, I changed everything to www-data.www-data.  Should this be on ubuntu-server as well?
[19:24] <sdeziel> sarnold: I guess you were right about wireguard ending up in 20.04 kernel: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Adds-WireGuard
[19:27] <sarnold> johnfg: I think the webserver process should only have write access to log files and database sockets; maybe an upload directory if it runs an application that lets users upload..
[19:27] <sarnold> yay :)
[19:46] <johnfg> typo3 9.5.13 won't work with mysql, but will with mariadb.  If I want to stick with mysql, I'll have to wait for the point version of typo3-cms-10 to come out in the spring.
[21:52] <orentanay> I have a local ubuntu apache2 server for testing websites, but i'm having a very hard time getting self signing ssl to work. Can someone look at my config files and see if i'm doing something wrong? https://pastebin.com/DPZMJkBN  thanks.
[21:54] <sarnold> orentanay: fix the connection error before working on tls
[21:55] <sdeziel> orentanay: have you installed PHP 7.1 from a PPA by any chance? 18.04 ships with 7.2
[21:55] <orentanay> yes, I installed 7.1
[21:55] <sdeziel> why?
[21:55] <orentanay> this works just fine in http without the redirect
[21:56] <orentanay> b/c I'll need to work with Magento 2.2, and it's only 7.1 compatible
[21:56] <sdeziel> ah OK
[21:56] <sdeziel> orentanay: pastebin the output of "apache2ctl -S"
[21:57] <orentanay> it wasnt my call, but we migrated just before Magento announced they were discontining support for 2.2, and now we have to migrate to 2.3. not a great day.
[21:57] <orentanay> ok, one sec.
[21:59] <orentanay> wow, that was interesting...
[21:59] <orentanay> AH00526: Syntax error on line 48 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mysite-ssl.test.conf:
[21:59] <orentanay> SSLCertificateKeyFile: file '/etc/ssl/private/mysite.test-selfsigned.key' does not exist or is empty
[21:59] <orentanay> Action '-S' failed.
[21:59] <orentanay> The Apache error log may have more information.
[21:59] <orentanay> I may have misplaced a file?
[22:01] <tomreyn> does the SSLCertificateKeyFile exist then?
[22:01] <orentanay> checking...
[22:02] <orentanay> yes, it's there, and it's not empty
[22:03] <orentanay> right next to ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
[22:04] <tomreyn> and if you run    file    against it it says?
[22:05] <orentanay> cannot open, permission denied. I see that the user:group for snakeoil is root:ssl-cert and for my key its root:root
[22:06] <orentanay> could it be as simple as the wrong group?
[22:06] <tomreyn> apache httpd on ubuntu normally starts up as root so it can read those files, spawns child processes which drop privileges (IIRC)
[22:06] <tomreyn> so unless it's not got the read bit set (chmod-wise) i *think* it should be readable to root
[22:07] <tomreyn> so when you    sudo file   it, it says?
[22:08] <orentanay> ASCII text
[22:08] <orentanay> the snakeoil file has permissions -rw-r----- and my file has -rw-------
[22:09] <tomreyn> hmm, and if you     sudo head -1 /etc/ssl/private/mysite.test-selfsigned.key | hd     does it return readable text?
[22:09] <orentanay> yes
[22:10] <tomreyn> also run file and head -1 against the snakeoil key and compare
[22:10] <sdeziel> sudo openssl rsa -in /etc/ssl/private/mysite.test-selfsigned.key -noout; echo $?
[22:11] <sdeziel> should return 0 unless you use something fancy like ECDSA
[22:11] <orentanay> tomreyn, identical output.
[22:11] <tomreyn> sdeziel's approach is better.
[22:12] <orentanay> it returned 0
[22:12] <sdeziel> orentanay: next op is comparing this: openssl rsa -in /etc/ssl/private/mysite.test-selfsigned.key -noout -modulus | md5sum
[22:13] <sdeziel> orentanay: with openssl x509 -in /etc/ssl/certs/mysite.test-selfsigned.crt -noout -modulus | md5sum
[22:13] <tomreyn> i also like inspecting -text
[22:13] <sdeziel> orentanay: invoke those oenssl commands with sudo
[22:14] <sdeziel> tomreyn: agreed for the x509 one
[22:14] <tomreyn> right
[22:14] <orentanay> trying it now.
[22:17] <orentanay> they output is identical
[22:18] <sdeziel> orentanay: what happens if you use the snakeoil cert and key instead?
[22:18] <orentanay> I haven't tried that, yet
[22:24] <orentanay> just tried it, and I got the same result
[22:25] <orentanay> I made sure to restart apache before testing
[22:25] <sdeziel> orentanay: apachectl -S still complain even for the snakeoil key?
[22:26] <orentanay> yes
[22:26] <orentanay> AH00526: Syntax error on line 50 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/idwholesaler-ssl.test.conf:
[22:26] <orentanay> SSLCertificateKeyFile: file '/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key' does not exist or is empty
[22:26] <orentanay> Action '-S' failed.
[22:26] <orentanay> The Apache error log may have more information.
[22:27] <sdeziel> orentanay: what do you have from "ll /etc/ssl/"
[22:28] <sdeziel> orentanay: oh, "sudo apachectl -S"
[22:30] <orentanay> that outputs quite a few lines, but it seems the first 2 are most relevant...
[22:30] <tomreyn> oops :)
[22:31] <orentanay> *:443                  mysite.test (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mysite-ssl.test.conf:38)
[22:31] <orentanay> *:80                   is a NameVirtualHost
[22:31] <sdeziel> yeah, facepalm
[22:32] <tomreyn> i failed there, too
[22:32] <sdeziel> orentanay: now, are you able to start/restart apache2? If yes, please show "ss -nlt"
[22:33] <orentanay> restarted apache, and here is the output...
[22:33] <orentanay> State                   Recv-Q                    Send-Q                                        Local Address:Port                                       Peer Address:Port
[22:33] <orentanay> LISTEN                  0                         80                                                <IP_ADDRESS>:3306                                            <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[22:33] <orentanay> LISTEN                  0                         128                                           <IP_ADDRESS>%lo:53                                              <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[22:33] <orentanay> LISTEN                  0                         128                                                 <IP_ADDRESS>:22                                              <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[22:33] <orentanay> LISTEN                  0                         128                                                       *:443                                                   *:*
[22:33] <orentanay> LISTEN                  0                         128                                                       *:80                                                    *:*
[22:33] <orentanay> LISTEN                  0                         128                                                    [::]:22                                                 [::]:*
[22:34] <orentanay> sorry, i should have used patebin for that one
[22:35] <sdeziel> orentanay: looks good to me
[22:36] <orentanay> BTW: I really appreciate all the help thats been offered.
[22:43] <tomreyn> orentanay: so this is Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, fully updated, with apache httpd 2.4.29 from Ubuntu, PHP 7.1 from Ondřej Surý's PPA, and you've not changed how apache httpd starts and which user it runs as etc?
[22:45] <tomreyn> oh and does ssl work fine now, or is this not yet fixed?
[22:47] <orentanay> still no ssl, but correct on everything else you mentioned.
[22:48] <tomreyn> orentanay: so are there still errors on the log? still the same error - i assume not?
[22:50] <orentanay> looking for the log files now...
[22:52] <tomreyn> also ( if you're ok with posting this to https://termbin.com ):    sudo lsof -n -sTCP:LISTEN -iTCP:80 -iTCP:443 | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:54] <orentanay> onesec...
[22:56] <orentanay> Here you go https://termbin.com/otnd
[22:57] <tomreyn> hmm no ipv4, but ss -nlt showed ipv4.
[22:58] <tomreyn> the rest looks fine though. so what about the logs?
[22:58] <tomreyn> i think it's unusual that the server would start up if there are still critical SSL key issues.
[22:59] <tomreyn> orentanay: so what does "still no ssl" look like?
[23:02] <orentanay> Here's a small section of my error.log https://pastebin.com/XyHfnLpK
[23:02] <orentanay> I still get the refued to connect webpage.
[23:06] <tomreyn> so stapling will likely not work with a self-signed certificate (i haven't actually tried this, but it seems logical to fail)
[23:07] <tomreyn> so either comment out / remove this directive off your :443 virtualhost configuration or use a lets encrypt certificate
[23:08] <tomreyn> or a commercial certificate if you have one which can be used for this purpose
[23:10] <orentanay> thanks, I think that will be my next attempt. thank you for all of your help and time.
[23:10] <tomreyn> your certificate SubjectAltName (SAN) or Common Name (CN) also doesn't seem to match the FQDNs provided in the :443 virtual host configuration.
[23:13] <tomreyn> you're welcome.


[02:53] <semitones> Did apport change its config defaults?
[02:54] <semitones> I got this diff, I don't really know what is changing. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mBQGTSP8ZC/
[02:55] <semitones> it looks like it is removing the word "crash" from this line: 'problem_types': ['Bug', 'Package', 'Crash'],
[02:59] <semitones> i've found this wiki, but it is even more confusing. It says that to ENABLE crash reporting, you have to comment-out the problem types line? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[03:00] <guiverc> semitones, mantic isn't fully functional yet.
[03:00] <semitones> what is mantic?
[03:01] <guiverc> this room is ubuntu-next; mantix is the 'next' release.. lunar is released and now off-topic in this room; use #ubuntu for lunar
[03:01] <guiverc> s/mantix/mantic (my fingers are still learning mantic)
[03:01] <semitones> oh, got it. jhutchins sent me here to talk about lobster
[03:02] <guiverc> okay; I'll suggest #ubuntu... also state which product (server/desktop so its understood; minor default differences can exist between products)
[03:02] <semitones> ok
[09:41] <RikMills> Mantic Minotaur \o/


[03:52] <Thr0r> What is the difference between OpenGL2,0 - OpenGL3,1 - and XRender?
[03:55] <Thr0r> I did not see any change in using one or the other..
[03:55] <valorie> I dunno
[03:55] <valorie> I just use whatever the software recommends
[03:57] <Thr0r> ok - I will too then - but would be nice to know since one can choose - someone must have had a purpose putting the choises there in the first place..
[03:57] <valorie> newer software to cover newer hardware is my assumption
[03:57] <valorie> xrender being the oldest I think
[03:58] <valorie> I'm sure google or ddg can give you more info
[03:58] <diogenes_> Thr0r, opengl uses your gpu (hardware acceleration) and if it's a good one, you got nice effects and cool performance, xrender uses your cpu for drawing things, thus, higher cpu and no effects.
[04:03] <Thr0r> diogenes_ : Ok Thanks for clearing that up..
[04:12] <Thr0r> diogenes_ :  ok - I will use these settings then: https://imgur.com/a/jjLC3zP
[04:13] <diogenes_> Thr0r, if you experience no lags or misbehaviors then of course that's a better way.
[04:15] <Thr0r> diogenes_ :  No Lags here no.. Thanks
[04:16] <diogenes_> then you're good to go, you're welcome.
[04:23] <Thr0r> If you ever need someone to test things for You I am always available - I will find things you never was thinking of.. :)
[04:26] <Thr0r> ..Give me the 20,10 Iso link..
[04:28] <valorie> do you mean this, Thr0r?
[04:28] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[04:29] <valorie> that is the testing site for all the ISOs
[04:30] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/404/builds has the eoan builds
[04:31] <valorie> which will become 20.10
[04:33] <Thr0r> Ok - I will read those - (really small fonts there,,) As we spoke about before.. :)
[04:34] <valorie> control + makes it all bigger
[04:36] <Thr0r> Oh - Ok
[04:36] <imac_> valorie: you rock :)
[04:37] <valorie> lol
[04:37] <valorie> thank you
[04:37] <imac_> Welcome :)
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:11] <human> 12
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:09] <yuradoc> hello. i'm very angry of kubuntu. I did very impoertant oparation in the background. but also i have firefox and intellij idea opened. I did want to open virtualbox instance - and my computer start freezeing
[14:10] <yuradoc> i weasn't able move mouse and spent near 40-50 mins to close some programs
[14:10] <yuradoc> why plasma haven't strong priority?
[14:11] <yuradoc> important task didn't finished correctly. it's seemsed to me because network service stopped responding
[14:11] <yuradoc> i did have such freezes time at time
[14:13] <yuradoc> i have Intel Core I7-3517, 7.7 GiB of memory
[14:14] <yuradoc> i remember from windows experience that mouse never freezes there
[14:14] <yuradoc> and System GUI and services have priorities
[14:16] <yuradoc> there are some things that you need to finish in one transaction you know
[14:16] <yuradoc> why there are such riscs
[14:16] <yuradoc> ?
[18:34] <user|77635> vnc error - problem connecting some problem
[18:34] <user|77635> help
[18:46] <user|77635> vnc error - problem connecting some problem
[18:46] <user|77635> help, vnc error - problem connecting some problem
[20:01] <Jonopoly> anyone free to help me with my laptop warming issue
[22:27] <Thr0r> CTRL+ALT+F11 is a strange command..
[22:30] <valorie> oh, what does it do, Thr0r?
[22:31] <Thr0r> Don't press it..
[22:31] <Thr0r> It will make you have to reboot.. or something
[22:31] <twdnl> brazilian?
[22:32] <Thr0r> Gets you into some console mode..
[22:34] <Thr0r> By a mistake I pressed it instead of CTLF+F11 and had to reboot...
[22:36] <Thr0r> No warning or anything..