[05:31] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:57] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:00] <Kilos> hi henkj
[07:02] <henkj> hi kilos
[07:06] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[07:06] <magespawn> good morning y'all
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[07:20] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:21] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[07:32] <Vince-0> Hii
[07:34] <Squirm> morning
[07:45] <Kilos> yo Squirm
[07:50] <Squirm> oooh
[07:50] <Squirm> skiing time
[07:55] <magespawn> nice, cold but nice
[07:55] <Squirm> sun's out
[07:55] <Squirm> but yes, cold
[07:55] <Squirm> snowed on the berg night before last
[07:55] <magespawn> have not seen that much snow for a very long time
[07:55] <Squirm> last skii before winter :/
[07:56] <magespawn> i would have thought you could do more skiing in winter
[07:56] <Squirm> magespawn: where you now?
[07:56] <Squirm> lol
[07:56] <Squirm> water skiing
[07:56] <Squirm> :/
[07:56] <magespawn> hluhluwe
[07:56] <magespawn> ahh right
[07:56] <magespawn> lol
[07:56] <Squirm> oh, thought you may have been up this way
[07:59] <Squirm> bbl
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just my life insurance renewal notice, and i realised that it still lists me as a smoker. i quit in mid-2010 already! :'(
[08:00] <Squirm> :P
[08:00] <Squirm> lol
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i accidentally a word :-/
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <Squirm> oh yes, bbl
[08:01] <Kilos> enjoy Squirm
[08:11] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: still not smoking, well done! You must be the only one... :-(
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah pretty much
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe Sully too
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the rest quit quitting :)
[08:12] <superfly> Indeed
[08:36] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[08:36] <Tonberry> hallo
[09:30] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos, and others
[09:30] <Kilos> dga boetie
[09:30] <Kilos> dag ook
[10:17] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[10:17] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:19] <magespawn> hey Trixar_za
[10:31] <magespawn> Kilos you still enjoying KDE?
[10:31] <Kilos> yip and maverick magespawn
[10:31] <Kilos> chicken to put unity on the maverick drive
[10:36] <Kilos> i wish i understood more of how things work
[10:37] <Kilos> like with an external or stick plugged in 10.10 can right click and format it.
[10:37] <Kilos> is it possible to get that function working on 12.04
[10:38] <magespawn> not sure
[10:38] <magespawn> i am still learning my way around kde
[10:38] <Kilos> methinks that will be the dev guys that know that
[10:38] <magespawn> i never really used unity that much
[10:39] <Kilos> even on kde it would be nice to have
[10:39] <Kilos> i dont fancy all the partition manager and disk utilities and things
[10:42] <Kilos> ohi psyatw
[10:44] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:47] <magespawn> hey psyatw
[10:49] <psyatw> hi magespawn
[11:27] <Kilos> kde takes some getting used to hey magespawn ?
[11:27] <Kilos> hehe
[11:32] <psyatw> Kilos, I am finishing my papers for getting hired in Poland starting one month from now
[11:32] <psyatw> so that's why I'm away from the computer and the chat for now
[11:32] <Kilos> great. everything seems to take so long hey
[11:32] <psyatw> yeah
[11:32] <Kilos> np. once you are there you will have internet all the time
[11:32] <psyatw> this has been going for three weeks now, but at least I'll have a job soon
[11:33] <psyatw> of course
[11:33] <psyatw> and I can finally be here all the time, even if I'm not able to talk when I'm at work
[11:33] <Kilos> oh did you read the mail that maia posted for photos or postcards from you guys all over the world
[11:33] <Kilos> ?
[11:34] <psyatw> oh, I haven't read much mail lately unfortunately
[11:34] <psyatw> I will give you my picture soon, maybe even a postcard from here in the Netherlands and soon Poland
[11:35] <psyatw> or her, I mean
[11:35] <Kilos> she i starting a collection of all the ubuntu guys worldwide or something
[11:35] <psyatw> yeah, it's a really cool initiative
[11:37] <Kilos> im not sure if its just guys on our mailing list or not
[11:37] <Kilos> never remember what i read
[11:38] <psyatw> I've been too focused on finding a job for the past few months and finishing what I have to do here to read mailing lists, but I'll try to catch up soon
[11:38] <Kilos> cool
[12:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[12:23] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[12:25] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w
[12:33] <SmilyBorg_w> hey there
[13:55] <magespawn> guya i am stuck here, how do i change the size of the icons in a panel on kde?
[14:01] <Kilos> oh
[14:01] <Kilos> settings
[14:01] <Kilos> um
[14:01] <Kilos> second one from the top left i think
[14:01] <Kilos> or is that unity
[14:01] <Kilos> lemme boot from kde quick magespawn
[14:05] <Kilos-> hmm.. you still here magespawn
[14:05] <Kilos-> helloooooo
[14:05] <magespawn> hey kilos
[14:05] <Kilos-> cooowweeeeee
[14:06] <Kilos-> hehe
[14:06] <Kilos-> system settings
[14:06] <Kilos-> top left the second one then fonts
[14:06] <magespawn> and then ?
[14:06] <Kilos-> then you will see lotsa things on the tight
[14:07] <Kilos-> choose they are called
[14:07] <Kilos-> click on choose and tick on the size you want in the popup
[14:08] <magespawn> Kilos i am looking to adjust the size of the icons in the panel
[14:08] <Kilos-> what is the panel?
[14:09] <magespawn> the start bar
[14:09] <Kilos-> that bottom bar thing?
[14:09] <magespawn> yes
[14:09] <Kilos-> one of those settings makes it all bigger in the panel
[14:09] <Kilos-> maybe toolbar
[14:09] <magespawn> yes how to make it smaller?
[14:10] <Kilos-> wow how big is it?
[14:10] <magespawn> like half my screen
[14:10] <Kilos-> wow
[14:10] <Kilos-> what did you do?
[14:10] <Kilos-> mines like 5mm
[14:10] <magespawn> don't know or i would simple reverse it
[14:11] <magespawn> the bar itself is not the problem, the icons in it are
[14:11] <Kilos-> is that bar really half your screen?
[14:11] <magespawn> 1/3
[14:12] <Kilos-> the smaller the bar the smaller the icons
[14:12] <magespawn> no
[14:12] <magespawn> wait now they are resizing hold on
[14:13] <Kilos-> kde you have to tick apply with everything
[14:13] <Kilos-> bottom right
[14:14] <Kilos-> of that window you working in of course
[14:14] <magespawn> plasma desktop just crashed
[14:14] <Kilos-> crashed gone?
[14:15] <magespawn> yup
[14:15] <Kilos-> oh my no text mode or anything?
[14:15] <magespawn> restarted itself, busy submitting the crsh report now
[14:16] <Kilos-> before closing down do sudo touch /forcefsck and it should clean up on reboot
[14:16] <magespawn> no, blank screen
[14:16] <magespawn> no need, the desktop retarted itself
[14:17] <Kilos-> i see it seems to do a short fsck on its own every reboot
[14:17] <magespawn> fsck is for disk problems, hopefully this is not one of those
[14:17] <Kilos-> if you kill the boot splash you can see what its doing on boot
[14:18] <Kilos-> no man
[14:18] <Kilos-> file system checker
[14:18] <magespawn> ahh well
[14:18] <magespawn> what was wierd here was i would resize the panel, but the icons would stay big
[14:19] <Kilos-> even after you tick apply?
[14:20] <magespawn> yup looked very strange
[14:20] <Kilos-> wow
[14:21] <magespawn> seems fine now though
[14:22] <Kilos-> weird
[14:23] <magespawn> maybe had something to do with a full hard drive again
[14:23] <magespawn> very small drive only 20gig
[14:24] <Kilos-> how did you fill it?
[14:24] <Kilos-> and did you look at the details in the crash report
[14:25] <magespawn> data recovery again
[14:26] <magespawn> something caused a segmentation fault
[14:27] <Kilos> pc just hung
[14:27] <Kilos> pulled modem and it revived
[14:27] <Kilos> first time any probs on this kde
[14:28] <Kilos> its bad stuff coming from the net somewhere methinks
[14:30] <Kilos> one of billy's paid anti linux hackers
[14:30] <magespawn> here is a paste of the crash report details http://slexy.org/view/s218ttjJTc
[14:31] <Kilos> you need someone like the fly or the weed to look at that
[14:32] <Kilos> or do you understand all that?
[14:33] <magespawn> no clue what it means
[14:34] <Tonberry> plasma desktop tends to die on me every once in a while
[14:34] <Tonberry> usually it auto restarts
[14:34] <Tonberry> or you can manually run it with alt-f2
[14:36] <magespawn> ty Tonberry
[14:38] <Kilos> maybe it needs some updating. i just did a reinstall with muon and it fetched a meg even though everything is supposed to be up to date
[14:40] <magespawn> i will check that as soon as the crash report is done
[14:40] <magespawn> busy getting some debug symbols
[14:51] <Kilos> do you use muon magespawn ?
[14:51] <magespawn> yes
[14:51] <Kilos> the kde synaptic
[15:06] <Kilos> wow magespawn  i typed plasma in muon and ticked all the stuff installed to reinstall and it wants to fetch another 105m
[15:07] <Kilos> so somewhere apt-get is slipping up
[15:09] <Kilos> 67m is kde wallpapers i see
[15:09] <Kilos> but they showed as installed
[15:10] <Kilos> grrr
[15:11] <magespawn> maybe there are new ones
[15:13] <magespawn> anyway i am off home, chat later
[15:14] <Kilos> ok
[16:19] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[16:19] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:19] <georgelappies> thanks :)
[16:19] <Kilos> have you been here before?
[16:20] <georgelappies> nope, first time. Only seen the link now on distrowatch to http://ubuntu-za.org/ and from there the irc link
[16:21] <Kilos> ah our advertising is bad i think
[16:22] <Kilos> with the lappies bit you must be south african hey?
[16:22] <georgelappies> ja I am South African, from Secunda in Mpumalanga actually
[16:23] <Kilos> ah. and you are using ubuntu?
[16:23] <Kilos> which flavour?
[16:23] <georgelappies> yeah, been using it for a while, since 8.04 actually :)
[16:23] <georgelappies> Ubuntu, Unity
[16:24] <Kilos> great so you come to teach and help others
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <georgelappies> lol
[16:24] <georgelappies> started using Linux in about 1998 with SuSE 7.0 ]
[16:25] <Kilos> wow you a ballie in the game
[16:25] <georgelappies> lol, I presume you are also from SA
[16:26] <Kilos> this is our community help channel. so if you know of peeps that need linux help tell them about us
[16:26] <Kilos> yeah im in pta
[16:26] <Kilos> but im the one that needs the most help normally
[16:27] <Kilos> we have dev guys here and python experts and all kinds
[16:27] <georgelappies> cool, will do so. Which flavour are you running?
[16:27] <georgelappies> that's cool
[16:28] <Kilos> at the moment 12.04 kubuntu. but also use 10.10 and fight with unity
[16:28] <Kilos> you need to join our mailing list
[16:28] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[16:28] <georgelappies> Kubuntu is nice, but for some reason every KDE based distro freezes my laptop
[16:29] <Kilos> i prefered gnome2 but what choice do we have
[16:30] <Kilos> thats why i still have 10.10 on one drive
[16:30] <georgelappies> started happening around Kubuntu 12.04, 11.10 still worked fine, but something inside kwin or the kdelibs changed in KDE between those two version. And now, I am guaranteed a lockup with arcade game bootup screen flickering within 10 minutes :(
[16:31] <Kilos> ouch. maybe the guys can think of a way around it for you. we have kde pros too
[16:31] <georgelappies> mmmmm, some text in my previous reply went missing, was supposed to read between 11.10 and 12.04
[16:33] <Kilos> kde uses more resources than the others methinks
[16:34] <Kilos> but i like that it does app installs faster than unity
[16:34] <georgelappies> Well, I must be honest I am taking to Unity lately
[16:35] <Kilos> i like it as well but 12.04 gives big probs getting 3g working
[16:35] <georgelappies> that's not cool, which modem is it?
[16:35] <Kilos> what do you do in secunda?
[16:36] <Kilos> an alcatel from saudi arabia
[16:36] <Kilos> hehe
[16:36] <Kilos> only 12.04 has the probs though
[16:36] <georgelappies> I am an application specialist
[16:37] <Kilos> lekker
[16:37] <georgelappies> we do high density laser scanning of petrochemical plants and model the plants in 3D modeling software for engineering analyses etc.
[16:38] <Kilos> whew
[16:39] <georgelappies> pity that none of the software works on Linux though, everything is windows based
[16:39] <Kilos> not many here use unity so it will be good to have you around  when someone has probs
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hello all :)
[16:40] <Kilos> yeah thats the biggest prob hey
[16:40] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey wb
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos. I missed you all.
[16:40] <georgelappies> will gladly assist where I can
[16:40] <Kilos> we miss you as well kbmonkey
[16:40] <Kilos> wassup
[16:40] <kbmonkey> tgif
[16:41] <Kilos> ty georgelappies
[16:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey: meet georgelappies
[16:41] <georgelappies> hi kbmonkey
[16:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey: is our on and off meeting chairperson georgelappies
[16:42] <georgelappies> ok, cool. Where do the meetings generally take place?
[16:42] <Kilos> next meeting in ten days kbmonkey
[16:42] <Kilos> here at 19.30 on the third monday of each month
[16:43] <georgelappies> great
[16:43] <Kilos> what irc client are you using georgelappies
[16:43] <georgelappies> XChat
[16:43] <Kilos> cool i love xchat
[16:43] <Kilos> not happy on kde though
[16:43] <georgelappies> normal one, not the gnome one ;) yeah on GTK it is the best
[16:43] <Kilos> no sound
[16:44] <Kilos> yeah the gnome one sucks
[16:44] <georgelappies> on KDE quassel is quite good
[16:45] <Kilos> i prefer konversation. can configure it to be same as xchat with the same alert
[16:45] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[16:45] <Kilos> took a while though
[16:46] <georgelappies> there are a few basic apps I cannot go without: gvim, hotot, xchat, liferea and chrome :)
[16:47] <Kilos> and no pidgin?
[16:49] <kbmonkey> hey I should maybe give gvim a try
[16:50] <georgelappies> not really into im ;)
[16:50] <Kilos> ah
[16:50] <Kilos> best way to get help here though. and for me to keep in touch with family on mxit
[16:55] <kbmonkey> I have it in my calendar Kilos, thanks for your reminders. You are always spot on!
[16:55] <Kilos> hi not_found
[16:55] <not_found> o/
[16:55] <kbmonkey> hi not_found
[16:55] <Kilos> gotta keep you younguns on your toes kbmonkey
[16:56] <kbmonkey> indeed ;)
[16:56] <Kilos> hehe
[16:58] <not_found> how are you all this fine evening?
[16:58] <Kilos> good ty not_found , and you?
[16:58] <Kilos> at work?
[16:59] <kbmonkey> very well after that nice burger :]
[16:59] <not_found> home... switching to night tomorrow
[16:59]  * not_found had SFC (KFC's cousin :p)
[16:59] <Kilos> hehe
[16:59] <Kilos> spiced with dates?
[16:59] <not_found> lol
[17:00] <not_found> no with chicen
[17:00] <not_found> *chicken
[17:00] <Kilos> and boiled in camel milk
[17:00] <kbmonkey> hahaha!
[17:00] <kbmonkey> with some added horse
[17:01] <not_found> :(
[17:01] <Kilos> shame
[17:01] <Kilos> sorry
[17:01] <not_found> lol
[17:02] <kbmonkey> I have wesley's burgers
[17:02] <kbmonkey> best in town
[17:03] <Kilos> not_found: meeting the 15th hey
[17:03] <Kilos> sort you lifestyle around that date
[17:03] <not_found> future is cloudy, blinded am I by the darkside...
[17:03] <Kilos> lol
[17:04] <Kilos> georgelappies: not_found is a za guys working in the UAE
[17:04] <Kilos> guy
[17:06] <kbmonkey> bend over and my darkside you will see
[17:09] <not_found> >.<
[17:12] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:12] <kbmonkey> I hear there is a comicon in CT soon
[17:42] <Kilos> sharks struggling not_found
[17:42] <Kilos> sigh
[17:52] <kbmonkey> oh dear. they had a big victory last time though
[17:54] <Kilos> the crusaders are tough
[17:56] <Kilos> kbmonkey: you still on crunchbang?
[17:56] <Kilos> crashbang. whatever
[18:00] <not_found> kbmonkey, comic con this weekend in Duabi... and I am working :'(
[18:01] <not_found> sorry uncle Kilos, not really following the rugby that diligently
[18:01] <Kilos> np
[18:05] <not_found> kbmonkey, awesome ted talk about asking, thanks for sharing...
[18:14] <kbmonkey> yeah, amanda palmer is amazing. I love her music.
[18:20] <not_found> doesn't sound like my cup of tea :p
[18:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello nighttime peoples
[18:38] <smile4ever> bye :)
[18:40] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:41]  * ThatGraemeGuy smiles and waves
[18:41] <inetpro> Ubuntu 13.04, scheduled for release on April 25, is now available for testing in its second and final beta release
[18:41] <Kilos> yo inetpro
[18:42] <inetpro> ho Kilos
[18:42] <Kilos> this drive with kde also started the disk sleep thing
[18:42] <Kilos> removed one 1g ram and so far so good
[18:42] <Kilos> maybe my 160g drive is ok
[18:45]  * Kilos holding thumbs for the sharks
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: are they playing now?
[18:47] <Kilos> yes last 2.5 mins
[18:47] <inetpro> score
[18:47] <inetpro> ?
[18:48] <Kilos> only beat the crusadres 3 times out of 18 games
[18:48] <Kilos> 21/17
[18:48] <Kilos> tonight will be the 4th time i hope
[18:51]  * inetpro running mplayer mms://<IP_ADDRESS>/rsg_22
[18:52] <Kilos> whats that?
[18:52] <inetpro> pragtig! Dankie Kilos
[18:52] <Kilos> w000t
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: aptitude show mplayer
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: actually vlc also works with that
[18:54] <Kilos> ya man but what were you watching on it
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: listening RSG
[18:54] <Kilos> oh
[18:54] <Kilos> thats clever
[18:55] <Kilos> see we got a new clever guy
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[18:56] <Kilos> we must do something about this channel
[18:56] <Kilos> he has been on ubuntu for years and only found us now
[18:56]  * inetpro goes to read backlogs
[18:56] <Kilos> georgelappies:  say hi to inetpro  a kde man
[18:57] <inetpro> georgelappies: welcome at #ubuntu-za
[18:57] <Kilos> 18.20
[18:57] <inetpro> eish... you guys talk a lot
[18:58] <georgelappies> hi inetpro :)
[18:58] <Kilos> well he be new so gotta get to know him
[18:58] <superfly> georgelappies: have you heard of Blender ?
[18:58]  * inetpro trying to catch up since about mid day
[18:58] <georgelappies> yeah, like 3D studio
[18:58] <Kilos> georgelappies: superfly is another kde guy
[18:59] <georgelappies> hi superfly :)
[18:59] <Kilos> and python pro
[19:00] <superfly> I gave up catching up
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro: mag ek gaan doedoe nou?
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:00] <georgelappies> superfly, you using Blender?
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: of course you're welcome to take a well deserved rest
[19:01] <Kilos> rofl you are so kind
[19:01] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[19:02] <Kilos> sien julle more weer
[19:02] <georgelappies> lekker slaap
[19:04] <inetpro> georgelappies: wow, you found ubuntu-za on distrowatch?
[19:04]  * inetpro didn't realise that we're there as well
[19:05] <georgelappies> lol, yeah. I there was a link on phoronix to the beta2 of 13.04, I followed that and from there to distrowatch where I got the ubuntu-za link in related sites :)
[19:06] <inetpro> nice!
[19:07] <inetpro> glad you found your way here and I hope you wil stick around as well
[19:07] <inetpro> will as well
[19:09] <georgelappies> thanks inetpro
[19:11]  * superfly is playing plants vs zombies
[19:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> say hi to crazy dave for me
[19:13] <not_found> plants vs zombies rulke
[19:13] <not_found> *rule
[19:13]  * not_found just died in FTL :(
[19:23] <Squirm> Galaxy S2 or Galaxy S3 Mini ?
[19:26]  * inetpro wonders when we will get pricing for the S4
[19:26] <georgelappies> Squirm, http://androidfact.com/s2-vs-s3-mini/
[19:27] <Squirm> wanted a personal opinion
[19:28] <inetpro> Squirm: personally I wouldn't go for the mini
[19:28] <georgelappies> Now, that is going to be a cool device, the S4
[19:28] <inetpro> the processor is disappointing
[19:30] <Squirm> inetpro: cool. cause I've found they're both similar prices now
[19:31] <Squirm> georgelappies: if you have like R13k
[19:31] <inetpro> Squirm: are you sure it will be that high?
[19:32] <inetpro> apparently pricing in the US is supposed to start at $200
[19:33] <Squirm> bidorbuy
[19:33] <Squirm> Samsung Galaxy S4 16GB
[19:33] <Squirm> R14,999.00
[19:33] <Squirm> Available Till: 19 Apr 00:00
[19:33] <Squirm> Item Condition: New
[19:33] <Squirm> Product Code: I9500
[19:33] <Squirm> Quantity Available: 1
[19:33] <Squirm> but that's not much to go by
[19:33] <Squirm> I want the Nexus 4
[19:33] <Squirm> :/
[19:33] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:33] <georgelappies> Shouldn't be more than R 8500 if bought new once officially available from local carriers
[19:34] <Squirm> Nexus 4 is nice
[19:34] <Squirm> anyway, bbl
[19:34] <inetpro> $200 = R1819.12
[19:35] <georgelappies> inetpro, I am sure that is linked to a 24 month contract?...
[19:35] <inetpro> georgelappies: yes probably
[19:41] <Tonberry> can you buy those here?
[19:41] <Tonberry> last i checked south africa was out of luck
[19:45] <inetpro> as far as I'm aware they will be available in South Africa on the same day as in many other countries
[19:45] <inetpro> on MTN and on CellC you can pre-order already
[19:45] <Tonberry> they have been available in the usa for many months
[19:45] <inetpro> but I don't know how that works with pricing that is not yet announced
[19:46] <inetpro> Tonberry: not officially
[19:46] <Tonberry> nexus 4 sold by google is about as official as it gets
[19:47] <inetpro> Tonberry: ahh, sorry I thought you're talking about the S4
[19:47] <Tonberry> if sa is getting the nexus 4 it is pretty late to the game
[19:47] <inetpro> sadly I have not seen the Nexus 4 here
[19:48] <Tonberry> ah, s4 was discussed farther back
[19:48] <inetpro> our mobile companies are pretty useless here if you ask me
[19:48] <bakuman> apparently when the nexus 4 was released LG said they were not selling it in SA
[19:48] <inetpro> especially Vodacom
[19:49] <Tonberry> no one will sell a nexus 4 here because it will kill all other competition
[19:49]  * inetpro is still waiting for the Note II from Vodacom
[19:49] <bakuman> well it has a flimsy back
[19:49] <Tonberry> why buy and s3 if you can have a nexus 4 at 1/2 the price?
[19:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> because marketing
[19:51] <Tonberry> i dont think the carriers are brave enough to depend on marketing alone
[19:51] <Tonberry> lack of choice on the other hand tends to work well
[19:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't matter when there are Galaxy S3 ads on TV all. the. time.
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> well they were a year ago anyway
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's kinda old now
[19:52] <Tonberry> well no one sells the nexus 4 at a sane price here so it does nor really matter
[19:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah whatever market research methods they use told them it wouldn't be worth it
[19:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think vodacom had the nexus s way back when and it sold really poorly
[19:54] <inetpro> well I ordered the Note II on 23 Feb and am still waiting
[19:54] <inetpro> could have been imported by now
[19:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> ouch, from who?
[19:55] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: VC
[19:55] <inetpro> at Wonderpark
[19:55] <inetpro> all they say is that they will call me when they have it
[19:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i discovered a few years ago that a small mtn franchisee near me always has what i want
[19:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> when i wanted an htc desire 3 years ago, i had 3 mtn stores that would call me when they had stock. on a whim i called this guy and i fetched my phone 3 hours later.
[19:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think the mtn corporate stores rely on really sucky stock distribution channels
[19:57] <inetpro> at this stage I'm just about waiting for my contract to run out completely before considering my options to jump ship to CellC or another mobile co
[19:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> whereas franchise guys are more free to get stock from wherever
[19:57] <inetpro> and maybe, just maybe the S4 will be available and affordable by then
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'm quite keen on cell c too. their new low rates were announced something like 6 weeks after i upgraded last year :(
[20:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok bed time
[20:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> 4-year-old hasn't realised the value of sleeping in on a saturday morning :-/
[20:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> night all


[21:57] <akgraner>  The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly News is now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue184
[22:17] <AlanBell> nice email from Mark
[22:17] <IdleOne> yup
[22:17] <akgraner> AlanBell, yep I thought so too
[23:10] <pleia2> oh that is nice :)
[23:58] <elky> oh crapola. sam posted anyway


[12:18] <ploum> good night everyone
[12:18] <ploum> I'm sorry for the planet flood...
[12:18] <Anarchy> can someone point me to the documentation you all used for reversing the key press on laptop with vol up/down keys ... I know these keys are not handled by acpi
[12:20] <Keybuk> Keyboard Shortcut references in GNOME
[12:21] <Anarchy> After clearing out the Gnome key config and running xev, I have discovered that in Ubuntu, the key events are sent in the proper order!
[12:41] <zul> Keybuk: there is a rgression in the latest dapper upload for the kernel. #50031
[12:42] <mdke> zul: crimsun_ said that he'd nailed it down and had got a fix
[12:42] <zul> yeah i know
[12:43] <mdke> ah
[12:43] <zul> i been talking to him ;)
[12:43] <dem> out of curioustity what language is lauchpad/roseta writen in?
[12:44] <mdke> dem: python. Find out more at #launchpad
[01:13] <theine> Sorry for triple posting on bug #50031. As much as I enjoy spamming people -- this was not intended. I just hit "Reload" a couple of times.
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50031 in linux-source-2.6.15 "[regression]  Resume is broken with 2.6.15-25" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50031
[01:15] <crimsun_> known, compiling to test a fix
[01:17] <dem> i can conform that for a z61t
[01:29] <dAndy> does anyone know anything about Bug #48918? This is a big bug for my organization, we want to load about 40 boxes next week, and we would like them to have root passwords
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48918 in kickseed "shadow passwords not enabled (no rootpw)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48918
[01:35] <theine> dAndy: If it isn't fixed until next week, may I suggest to run a script that runs shadowconfig on all boxes via ssh?
[02:19] <stuNNed> i need newer glibc for gnomad2 project is this possible w/dapper or do i *have* to run unstable?
[02:20] <tseng> i have never heard of a simple user land app that requires a newer glibc
[02:21] <tseng> and "no"
[02:23] <stuNNed> tseng: let me check, maybe i'm wrong.  and doesn't mono rely on esd?  if it does.  that's really stupid imho.  i've killed esd and muine freezes sometimes.  you might want to disable esd code in muine and steal from mpg321 or something, i dont' know.
[02:23] <tseng> ...?
[02:24] <tseng> muine uses gstreamer
[02:24] <tseng> gstreamer can use esd, oss, also
[02:24] <tseng> *alsa
[02:24] <tseng> polyp
[02:24] <tseng> whatever.
[02:25] <jdub> pulse!
[02:26] <tseng> are you sure you mean glibc and not glib?
[02:28] <stuNNed> well why when i disable esd mono fannooks?
[02:28] <stuNNed> i mean muine...
[02:28] <Keybuk> jdong: what's pulse?
[02:28] <tseng> because you have gstreamer setup to play to esd
[02:28] <Keybuk> meh
[02:28] <Keybuk> jdub: what's pulse?
[02:28] <tseng> Keybuk: polypaudio
[02:30] <Keybuk> new name?
[02:30] <Keybuk> or fork?
[02:31] <tseng> new name
[02:31] <Keybuk> ahh
[02:32] <jdub> much better new name :)
[02:34] <makko> what is the url to the gmane newsgroup which anounce updates and their reasons (i want to use is instead of update-manager, which almost never shows anything)?
[02:34] <makko> anounces
[02:35] <_ion> You can use apt-listchanges
[02:45] <jdub> Keybuk: hey, got any gnome issues you want seb, daniel and i to touch on at guadec?
[02:45] <jdub> Keybuk: gathering a list for us to work on
[02:46] <Keybuk> I'd like session management to not suck
[02:47] <jdub> adding
[02:47] <Keybuk> I still think Log out/Switch user/etc. should all be replaced by one thing that lets you log on as another user
[02:48] <Keybuk> it may choose to save your session and end your apps after a while, or immediately, depending on resources
[02:53] <jdub> Keybuk: anythign else?
[02:53] <jdub> hold on, i'll save this page os you can see what i have
[02:55] <jdub> Keybuk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeffWaugh/Guadec2006
[02:56] <Keybuk> I'd still like to see Applets and NIcons become one
[02:56] <Keybuk> with the panel as one bit NTray
[02:56] <_ion> "telepathy/galago: Ready for desktop use in edgy timeframe?"
[02:56] <Keybuk> - state of evolution; is anyone going to bother maintaining it?
[02:56] <_ion> That would rule.
[02:58] <jdub> Keybuk: evo - good
[02:58] <Keybuk> you already have epiphany on there -- my one ffox killer feature btw, is being able to bookmark a set of web pages and open them all at once
[02:58] <jdub> yeah
[02:58] <Keybuk> not to mention various extensions
[02:59] <Keybuk> LP would be unusable if it weren't for linky and stylish
[02:59] <jdub> oh, reminds me - bug-buddy/launchpad/etc
[03:00] <Keybuk> more avahi!
[03:00] <Keybuk> "Share this folder" => some kind of avahi share, not samba
[03:00] <Keybuk> "Share this calendar"
[03:00] <Keybuk> "Share this document"
[03:01] <Keybuk> "Share this playlist" (I think this works now, no?)
[03:01] <Keybuk> avahi chat sessions
[03:01] <Keybuk> avahi tomboy!
[03:03] <Keybuk> guadec is after ufk, right?
[03:04] <ajmitch> 'share these photos' => f-spot & DPAP support hacked in
[03:04] <Keybuk> ship some bloody mono apps in gnome desktop
[03:04] <Keybuk> (like tomboy) :p
[03:04] <ajmitch> must get it in desktop seed
[03:10] <jdub> i've added a suggestions section
[03:10] <jdub> please add
[03:17] <NthDegree> will reiser4 go in edgy?
[03:42] <Lathiat> woo avahi :)
[03:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: smelly thing, who would ever want to use it? :)
[03:42] <Lathiat> you!
[03:43] <ajmitch> well, yes
[04:18] <LaserJock> why not make jdub switch ;-)
[04:19] <LaserJock> or rock-paper-scissors for it
[04:19] <jdong> I figure he has seniority around here :)
[04:19] <jdong> lol
[04:22] <Hobbsee> haha.  rock paper scissors for it could be fun
[05:24] <stuNNed> ok what's this: ****** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x103bf268 ***
[05:26] <stuNNed> debian mess?
[05:27] <tadpole> stuNNed: where do you see it?
[05:29] <stuNNed> starting latest stable gnomad2
[05:29] <stuNNed> marked by gnomad2 devs
[05:30] <stuNNed> is there a quick fix?  as i'm at a coffee shop and they are about to close and there is no network at my apartment
[05:31] <tadpole> probably not without re-compiling.
[05:31] <tadpole> does a backtrace tell you anything useful?
[05:32] <stuNNed> welp, malone's search feature and algorithm could be simplified and improved...
[05:32] <stuNNed> use gdb?  i've been out of it for a few...
[05:33] <tadpole> yeah. but it will probably be useless unless you re-compile gnomad2 with debugging symbols.
[05:34] <stuNNed> ok so that i will do tonight i will recompile gnomad2 w/debugging turned on and report back tomorrow, that fine?
[05:34] <stuNNed> i gotta go they are closing
[05:34] <tadpole> sure.
[05:34] <stuNNed> i will see you asap
[05:34] <tadpole> good luck.
[05:35] <stuNNed> thanks hopefully will get this creative zen microphoto working w/mp3 support have to use libmtp for it, so revenge it is! see you guys, be good.
[10:45] <asac> iwj: you found time to redo the patch from the real checkins? I have finished extracting suite patches, so I can invest some time on this issue again.
[11:04] <sivang> morning all
[11:18] <stc> hello
[11:18] <Toma-> Would this be considered a worthy bug? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15853
[11:21] <stc> i have this bug: Xgl http://pastebin.com/714455
[11:22] <siretart> morning.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> hey siretart
[11:23] <siretart> stc: Toma-: please read the topic. please use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug for reporting bugs
[11:23] <siretart> huhu Hobbsee
[11:23] <Toma-> doing so now... just dont like fileing bugs that arnt really bugs :(
[11:24] <Toma-> and wether it should be filed under sane or udev
[11:25] <siretart> Toma-: then use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addticket to file a support request. it can be upgraded as a bug if necessary
[11:25] <Toma-> ahhh thanks ;)
[11:30] <Toma-> filed and waiting. thanks again!
[12:01] <nomed> hi all
[12:01] <nomed> Mithrandir, around ?
[12:02] <imbrandon> most are probbly on flights on preparing for flights to paris
[12:04] <nomed> ops true
[12:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:06] <highvoltage> mdz: hi there, are you around?
[04:32] <rddp> are the voip sessions at Paris going to be recorded and availiable later, or only in real time?
[04:33] <\sh> voip sessions?
[04:33] <\sh> there is _no_ video casting? ;)
[04:33] <Keybuk> rddp: both
[04:34] <Keybuk> they will be available realtime and recorded
[04:34] <rddp> Keybuk,  great, thanks
[04:35] <\sh> Keybuk: tell me more about it...voip? ekiga, or something else?
[04:47] <Keybuk> \sh: we'll be using TeamSpeak
[04:47] <\sh> Keybuk: not really, no?
[04:47] <Keybuk> \sh: yes
[04:49] <\sh> then I need to install teamspeak...oh joy :)
[04:50] <Keybuk> yeah
[04:50] <Keybuk> easy enough, just download the tarball from their website
[04:50] <Hobbsee> and mangle your sound settings a bit, usually
[04:51] <\sh> Keybuk: I was using it in the past with windows..and it was difficult to understand the people when 5 people are breathing and didn't adjust their mics
[04:51] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's not so bad when people use push to talk - some of us were testing it out earlier
[04:52] <\sh> Hobbsee: push to talk is quite useless, when you are playing mmorpg ;) and there is no key combination left to use ;)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> \sh: well, that's true :P  but you're hardly playing mmorpg in meetings, now are you \sh?  actually, dont answer that :P
[04:54] <\sh> Hobbsee: well...I used gobby and kate during the bofs at ubz..no mmorpg though ;)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:30] <Keybuk> hey sab
[05:41] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[05:41] <Chipzz> edgy libc6 appears to break locales...
[05:41] <Chipzz> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:41] <Chipzz>   File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 35, in ?
[05:41] <Chipzz>     import apt_listchanges
[05:41] <Chipzz>   File "/usr/lib/site-python/apt_listchanges.py", line 25, in ?
[05:41] <Chipzz>     locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL,'')
[05:41] <Chipzz>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/locale.py", line 381, in setlocale
[05:41] <Chipzz>     return _setlocale(category, locale)
[05:41] <Chipzz> locale.Error: unsupported locale setting
[05:44] <fabbione> Chipzz: thanks for reporting another duplicate :)
[05:44] <fabbione> that was known even before uploading the new glibc to edgy
[05:52] <mdz> fabbione: then why was it uploaded?
[05:52] <fabbione> mdz: required to bootstrap the toolchain for edgy
[05:52] <fabbione> it's not a critical bug even tho very annoying
[05:52] <mdz> fabbione: what I meant was, why wasn't the bug fixed first if it was known?
[05:53] <mdz> it breaks the installation of some other packages
[05:53] <mdz> it causes a number of programs to fail to run
[05:53] <fabbione> mdz: I think Jeff didn't manage to find the problem
[05:54] <Chipzz> fabbione: that's just apt-listchanges; perl also borks out
[05:54] <fabbione> Chipzz: they are warnings, not fatal errors
[05:54] <mdz> python programs in general are broken by this
[05:54] <fabbione> atleast for perl
[05:54] <Chipzz> fabbione: they most definately are fatal
[05:54] <mdz> perl only warns
[05:54] <Chipzz> for python that is
[05:54] <mdz> postgresql explodes
[05:54] <fabbione> well don't run python apps :P
[05:54] <fabbione> it's edgy
[05:55] <fabbione> it's meant to be broken at the very first opening
[05:55] <Chipzz> I wasn't expecting a fix or anything; just reporting
[05:55] <mdz> fabbione: there is a difference between finding bugs and uploading known broken packages
[05:55] <Chipzz> I know not to expect support for edgy
[05:55] <Chipzz> :)
[05:55] <fabbione> Chipzz: then please do it properly via malone :)
[05:56] <Chipzz> I *do* suspect my system not to be booting at the next reboot though :P
[05:56] <fabbione> mdz: yes i am aware of that. There is also the balance between being able to open a new release or stall it 100%.
[05:56] <Chipzz> udev postinst borked out too :P
[05:56] <phanatic> mdz: i have uploaded a debdiff for a bug (sysinfo in universe). i was told to ping you about -updates upload... (bug 47671)
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47671 in sysinfo "Data in Hardware and USB tab truncated" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47671
[05:57] <mdz> phanatic: the changelog needs s/dapper/dapper-updates/
[05:58] <phanatic> mdz: okay, i'll upload a new debdiff then. shall i assign the bug to you?
[05:58] <mdz> phanatic: and please describe your changes in the changelog; not only "fix another issue"
[05:58] <phanatic> mdz: thanks, i'll do it
[05:58] <mdz> phanatic: code changes look fine, just update the changelog and go ahead
[05:59] <phanatic> mdz: i don't have upload rights. shall i ask a motu to do that for me?
[05:59] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[05:59] <mdz> phanatic: yes
[06:00] <phanatic> mdz: thanks for your help
[06:00] <mdz> phanatic: np
[06:00] <Chipzz> launchpad reports latest version of udev as 093-0ubuntu2
[06:00] <\sh> it's FTB...because of broken deps
[06:00] <Chipzz> just did an apt-get update ; apt-get install udev 1 minute ago; I'm still getting 093-0ubuntu1 ?
[06:00] <\sh> debhelper, po-debconf and further down the road of deps
[06:00] <fabbione> Chipzz: yes, that's supposed to fix the postinst, but it might not be wise to reboot ... just yet ;)
[06:01] <Chipzz> and yes, I *am* using the main mirror so I should be getting it...
[06:01] <Chipzz> ?
[06:01] <\sh> it's just not build, that's why a debootstrap or pbuilder run for creating edgy chroots just breaks right now
[06:02] <Chipzz> \sh: hrrm didn't read your comment about FTB
[06:02] <Chipzz> :P
[06:02] <\sh> Chipzz: Builds of udev - 093-0ubuntu2: all failed
[06:02] <mdz> I uploaded an intltool-debian yesterday which should have unblocked that chain
[06:02] <\sh> so there is a source package but no binary
[06:02] <mdz> at the time, the publisher was on manual due to keybuk doing synsc
[06:02] <mdz> syncs
[06:03] <Chipzz> hrrrm :P
[06:03] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, but your upload failed to build
[06:03] <Chipzz> this could get nasty due to this being a laptop and not being able to suspend ;P
[06:04] <Keybuk> mdz: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3080430/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.intltool-debian_0.34.2%2B20060512ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:04] <Keybuk> amusingly it failed to build because of the bug the upload was supposed to fix
[06:04] <dem> anyone here from the kernel team?
[06:04] <Chipzz> dem: try #ubuntu-kernel ?
[06:04] <fabbione> dem: -> #ubuntu-kernel
[06:04] <dem> okay thx bro
[06:05] <mdz> Keybuk: sweet
[06:06] <Keybuk> mdz: TEAM INFINITY will deal with that
[06:06] <Chipzz> who needs translations anyway :P
[06:07] <\sh> sounds like "we install this package into chroot to fix bug"
[06:10] <ogra> Keybuk, is that the new name of the X SWAT ?
[06:11] <siretart> Keybuk: can you approve uploads to dapper-updates, or does every upload has to go via mdz?
[06:12] <siretart> ah, mdz is around as well
[06:12] <mdz> s/mdz/ubuntu-release/
[06:12] <ogra> ubuntu-release isnt around, no
[06:13] <ogra> :P
[06:13] <siretart> oh. I see
[06:13] <Keybuk> ubuntu-release have to approve uploads and cc ubuntu-archive to actually process them
[06:13] <siretart> anyway, may I upload this patch: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3084606/a ? it for fixing malone #40613
[06:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40613 in pbuilder "pbuilder expects debootstrap, gets cdebootstrap" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40613
[06:13] <siretart> fixed in edgy, btw
[06:40] <desrt> i am weak.
[06:41] <Keybuk> bit late aren't you?
[06:41] <Keybuk> some of us have been using it for a week!
[06:41] <desrt> i was trying to not do it
[06:41] <desrt> saying "oh... it'll only be 4 short months"
[06:41] <desrt> but seriously... when you're sitting at home on a saturday morning with nothing better to do, ...
[06:42] <Keybuk> plenty of things for a boy to do on a saturday morning when all alone
[06:42] <Keybuk> children's TV, for example
[06:42] <Keybuk> there's no lrm for the new kernel yet
[06:42] <desrt> eeg.
[06:42] <desrt> my laptop = madwifi-ng
[06:42] <desrt> my desktop = nvidia
[06:45] <desrt> dapper itself has been sort of upgrade-happy....
[07:48] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[07:48] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[07:48] <ogra> sbalneav, i just bought a 19" LCD ;)
[07:49] <ogra> i'll bring it
[07:49] <sbalneav> Hey, just sitting in the airport in minneapolis, getting ready for the overnight flight to Paris.
[07:49] <sbalneav> Cool.
[07:49] <sbalneav> Made a couple of changes to the thin client spec.
[07:49] <sbalneav> Added in the avahi, and a couple of other notes.
[07:50] <ogra> great
[07:50] <sbalneav> Guess you're just hopping a train?
[07:50] <ogra> nope, i go by car
[07:50] <sbalneav> Ah, nice!  How long's the drive?
[07:50] <ogra> i'll start tomorrow around 8
[07:50] <ogra> 4-5h drive
[07:50] <sbalneav> sweet.
[07:50] <ogra> so i should be there around noon
[07:51] <ogra> its 500km only but france has speed limits :) else i'd be much faster
[07:51] <sbalneav> We thought about driving, but couldn't get a snorkel long enough for my toyota :)
[07:51] <ogra> loool
[07:52] <ogra> just get some monster tires :)
[07:52] <sbalneav> heh
[07:52] <ogra> just like the stnt trucks :)
[07:52] <ogra> *stunt
[07:53] <sbalneav> Cool.  We'll be in the country by about 8:30.  We'll proabably spend the day in Paris, then make it back for the 7:00 meeting.  Should be a blast.  Got a cell phone with you?  If you'd like, maybe we can head down to downtown together?
[07:55] <ogra> sbalneav, got the PM ?
[07:55] <sbalneav> err, no
[07:56] <ogra> sbalneav, +49 177 784 74 66
[07:56] <sbalneav> ah, yes I did, sorry
[07:56] <sbalneav> I usually use xchat, but I'm making an effort to use Gaim under dapper.   Tab popped up and I didnt notice. :)
[07:57] <ogra> heh, gaim
[07:57] <sbalneav> jammcq asks if you're bringing the porsche
[07:57] <\sh> lol
[07:57] <ogra> no
[07:58] <ogra> it brings me :)
[07:58] <\sh> ogra: didn't you say at LT you have to fix it, this porsche?
[07:58] <sbalneav> Both jammcq and I are loling
[07:58] <ogra> \sh, sure, but its good enough to drive to paris before
[07:59] <\sh> ogra: hehe...well, I think it's the same driving experience as with amus spider ;)
[07:59] <ogra> \sh, currently i have to concentrate on moving houses after that i can think about disassembling cars ;)
[08:00] <ogra> \sh, not even near, its a hauswife porsche ... not a 400 horsepower monster
[08:00] <\sh> ogra: btw..when you and suse are setteled in the new house, give me a ping, I will do some travelings after the 12th of July
[08:00] <ogra> (but it also doesnt take 25l on 100km)
[08:00] <ogra> \sh, great
[08:01] <ogra> \sh, our move has to be done by 1st of augunst
[08:01] <\sh> ogra: hmmm... 70 cologne <-> karlsruhe
[08:01] <sbalneav> jammcq and I will give you a call when we arrive.
[08:01] <ogra> sbalneav, great ... i'll likely be just hitting the motorway at that time ...
[08:01] <\sh> ogra: cool...if you need some help, over the weekend I can help you ...:)
[08:02] <ogra> \sh, i'll come back to you with that :)
[08:02] <\sh> ogra: please do :)
[08:02] <sbalneav> We can all hop the train, and go see the eiffel tower, and have a glass of vin on the champ's d'lysee
[08:03] <\sh> lol...and use the stairs to climb up the eiffel tower ,)
[08:03] <sbalneav> err, elysee
[08:03] <\sh> but this we had already ;)
[08:03] <sbalneav> I think I'll take the elevator, thanks :)
[08:04] <ogra> sbalneav, yeah, lets do that :)
[08:05] <ogra> sbalneav, mdz is already there, you might run into him in the hotel
[08:08] <sbalneav> Oh, cool.  sabdfl as well, I assume?  Wonder if he flew or took the chunnel?  We're staying on one extra day (saturday) and taking the chunnel to london for the day!
[08:08] <ogra> sabdfl was in russia one hour ago ... no idea if he'll be there already tomorrow
[08:09] <ogra> i bet he'll fly canonical 1 tomorrow
[08:10] <\sh> brb
[08:15] <Eleaf> yay~!!~
[08:15] <Eleaf> ;[
[08:22] <\sh> re
[08:25] <stuNNed> hello good folks
[08:25] <stuNNed> at work now but will help debug glibc and latest gnomad2 later today
[08:26] <stuNNed> with latest stable libmtp (not the one mentioned on the gnomad sf.net site) i get an execution error (i think) with gnomad2 and ubuntu stable glibc (dapper)
[08:26] <stuNNed> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x103de1c0 ***
[08:27] <fabbione> that's not a bug in glibc
[08:27] <stuNNed> maybe i should try the libmtp that the gnomad site recommends, doh :)
[08:27] <stuNNed> ok so what might it be? :)
[08:27] <fabbione> glibc is telling you debugging info on the app you are running
[08:27] <fabbione> the app is using a double-linked list
[08:27] <stuNNed> ah i got it
[08:27] <fabbione> and it gets corrupted
[08:28] <fabbione> so glibc, instead of allowing the app to destroy data, it kills the app and tells you what is wrong
[08:28] <stuNNed> i'll try downgrading libmtp and see what happens.  right now i'm working at the local grocer and need to fix a deli sheet
[08:28] <fabbione> what you want to do instead is to gdb the apps with debugging libs
[08:28] <stuNNed> well that is pretty smart :)
[08:28] <fabbione> and see why/where it fails
[08:28] <stuNNed> so ./configure --enable-debbugging will do for prep?
[08:28] <ogra> fabbione, probably it should just pay some money to the app if its corrupt :)
[08:28] <stuNNed> (sp)
[08:29] <fabbione> stuNNed: you want to make sure to build with -ggdb and -O0
[08:29] <fabbione> stuNNed: also for the library
[08:29] <fabbione> and make sure not to strip them
[08:29] <stuNNed> fabbione: right on.
[08:29] <fabbione> so you can see where it breaks
[08:31] <stuNNed> what i did as per tseng's suggestions was install the deps with apt (apt-get build-src) or something (i don't know the debian system that well) then downloaded gnomad2 from the their dev site and compiled and installed that, is that the right way?
[08:33] <stuNNed> or should i build gnomad2 from a debian repository and not use the source from their dev site.  it probably doesn't matter but i don't know what tweaks might have been thrown in.
[08:34] <stuNNed> i'm sorry an ubuntu one
[08:35] <stuNNed> reading manpage now
[08:40] <stuNNed> a way to build from source with the package manager would be nice imho
[08:40] <stuNNed> not a gcc optimizer but if need be or something
[08:40] <stuNNed> i'm meek so you might now hear my words :D
[08:40] <\sh> stuNNed: pbuilder and chroot are your friends...but this is more a #ubuntu issue
[08:41] <ogra> apt-emerge !
[08:41] <stuNNed> hey!  i give good advice and am a good writer! :D
[08:41] <\sh> apt-emerge _world_
[08:42] <stuNNed> i applied but haven't had time to get the resume together yet :(  just resigned from tulane university new orleans louisiana united states (too much of the *other*)
[08:43] <stuNNed> they put me in policy setting for future computing but their ms future plans were and i think still are too great.  it's a real shame as it's a very high calibre university but i guess we just don't have the local technical expertise to run massive amounts of linux :(
[08:43] <stuNNed> enough of my rant :)
[08:46] <stuNNed> apt-emerge multilateral
[08:47] <stuNNed> when we get *one* which i am trying to expedite it should be `apt-get dist-update multilateral` :D
[08:47] <stuNNed> apt-emerge dist-upgrade multilateral
[08:47] <stuNNed> or whatever :\
[08:47] <stuNNed> 1st for binary, 2nd for source
[08:47] <stuNNed> now let's see those aholes steal that one. do it so we can run the tab up some more :D
[08:59] <stuNNed> fucking bomber ahole
[08:59] <stuNNed> scuze me
[08:59] <stuNNed> sry for foulnesss
[09:01] <sivang> ogra: any idea what sort of plug adaptor we need to france?
[09:01] <desrt> sivang; europlug
[09:01] <sivang> desrt: could toss me a link to how this looks like?
[09:01] <desrt> sivang; for grounding you need the plug that accepts the pin which pokes out
[09:02] <desrt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug
[09:02] <stuNNed> french on the corner last night they were silly like stuck on a dang street corner
[09:03] <Chipzz> yay
[09:03] <Chipzz> firefox in ubuntu--
[09:03] <Chipzz> grmbl
[09:03] <desrt> grounded version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#Type_E_.28French_2-pin.2C_female_earth.29
[09:03] <Chipzz> just fucked over my session saved by session saver
[09:03] <stuNNed> yeah this deal where canadians don't believe in grounded wires well let me tell ya where i'm at now eh, i need one :D
[09:04] <desrt> ...
[09:04] <sivang> desrt: thanks
[09:04] <stuNNed> desrt: not all canadians just one gentoo dev i know on freenode
[09:04] <stuNNed> sry again but it's saturday :D
[09:04] <desrt> well, as it is
[09:05] <desrt> i am searching high and low for a cord which has a europlug on one end and an apple power adaptor interface on the other
[09:05] <sivang> desrt: the israeli one is just like Type C
[09:05] <\sh> well, what we need is a standard for power plugs somehow...;)
[09:05] <sivang> \sh: indeed
[09:05] <desrt> sivang; not true
[09:05] <desrt> sivang; israel is quite odd
[09:05] <sivang> desrt: you have knowledge of it? do you know where I can get such adaptors ? :)
[09:05] <desrt> "type H" -- This plug, defined in SI 32 (IS16A-R), is unique to Israel and is incompatible with all other sockets.
[09:06] <desrt> you can stick europlugs in some of them though
[09:07] <sivang> desrt: so I can stick the .IL one into the europlug one? :)
[09:08] <desrt> no
[09:08] <desrt> the grounding pin on the israel one gets in the way
[09:08] <jpatrick> because they have 3 pins
[09:08] <desrt> but you can stick europlugs into israeli sockets
[09:09] <sivang> crap :)
[09:09] <raphink> hello there :)
[09:09] <sivang> hey raphink !
[09:09] <raphink> we've got a problem with intltool-debian in edgy
[09:09] <raphink> it build-depends on po-debconf, which itself depends on the new intltool-debian to install
[09:09] <raphink> which obviously can't be installed since we want to build it ;)
[09:09] <raphink> so all packages depending on intltool-debian FTBFS
[09:10] <raphink> is someone working on this already?
[09:10] <\sh> raphink: as keybuck already said: TEAM Infinity has to deal with it ;)
[09:10] <raphink> hi sivang
[09:10] <raphink> team infinity?
[09:11] <raphink> :?
[09:11] <raphink> hi sivang btw :)
[09:11] <\sh> raphink: well the problem is known and someone will work on it, let's say on monday
[09:12] <raphink> ok :)
[09:12] <raphink> looking forward to it :)
[09:12] <\sh> raphink: enjoy the weather :)
[09:12] <raphink> hehe
[09:12] <\sh> raphink: some beer some wine
[09:12] <raphink> yeah
[09:12] <raphink> I should do that
[09:14] <raphink> or try to see if there's something to merge that I can do
[09:17] <desrt> sivang; if in your travels to find powercords you should happen upon something....
[09:18] <desrt> sivang; i basically want this: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MNEPWREU/
[09:18] <desrt> sivang; but with one of these on the other end: http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/apple-connect.jpeg
[09:21] <Keybuk> desrt: you can get them from Apple stores, no?
[09:21] <Keybuk> or, at least, from Apple
[09:21] <sivang> desrt: The requested URL /item/Other World Computing/MNEPWREU was not found on this server.
[09:22] <desrt> works for me?
[09:22] <sivang> Keybuk: do you happen to accidently have a outlet -> AC adaptor chord that is Type E compatible?
[09:23] <sivang> Keybuk: (the plug in to the AC adaptor is universal , the chord to the outlet not)
[09:25] <Seveas> For the conference people: please poke me when you know the IP address(es) you'll get so I can poke freenode staff and you won't get K-lined for having a shitload of connections
[09:36] <Keybuk> sivang: whuh?
[09:36] <Keybuk> I don't have any Europlug cords, if that's what you mean
[09:36] <Keybuk> we use different sockets here
[09:38] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, never mind. Hopefully I'll be able to get an adaptor on the airport :)
[10:58] <KaiL_> hmm, no edgy updates since 2 days?
[11:00] <zul> KaiL_: i think most people are flying to paris right now
[11:00] <KaiL_> ah, yes, forgot
[11:11] <dieman> I brought a universal electric adpapter and a power strip for us US types
[11:11] <dieman> or people who have US plugs but not euro plugs
[11:11] <dieman> theres a ton of people here tyring to get on this flight though
[11:12] <dieman> i guess another flight to detroit is delayed 2 hours
[11:12] <dieman> or more
[11:28] <desrt> crimsun; ping
[11:33] <crimsun> desrt: pong
[11:33] <desrt> crimsun; hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to single_cmd mode...
[11:34] <desrt> (after stalling for about 24 seconds)
[11:34] <desrt> on resume from sleep
[11:34] <crimsun> desrt: with -23.39 or -25.43?
[11:34] <desrt> just wondering if you know anything
[11:34] <desrt> -25
[11:34] <crimsun> ok, -25.43 is all kinds of broken
[11:34] <desrt> seems like a new problem, too
[11:35] <desrt> eep
[11:35] <desrt> anything i can do to help you fix it?
[11:35] <crimsun> I cannot isolate the interaction between ACPI and [just about everything] , so unless you can reproduce it with -23.39 + the sigmatel diff, it will be awkward to troubleshoot
[11:36] <desrt> oh.  acpi is being evil in -25?
[11:36] <crimsun> which is of course problematic, since I think you need a couple patches that are in -25.43 to resume properly?
[11:36] <desrt> well.. i sent those patches
[11:37] <crimsun> right
[11:37] <desrt> i have a patched up -23 for myself
[11:37] <desrt> i think this is a new problem with -25 though
[11:37] <crimsun> does your local -23.desrt exhibit the symptoms?
[11:37] <desrt> no.  don't think so.
[11:37] <desrt> it's only started happening since the upgrade
[11:37] <desrt> it delays my resume by a good 20 seconds so i think i'd have noticed before :)
[11:37] <crimsun> right, a lot of things have become ... interesting as of -25.43
[11:38] <desrt> were there any other patches to hda or only mine?
[11:38] <crimsun> I should add that of course -25.43 isn't broken for everyone; it fixes quite a few issues for a significant number of users
[11:38] <ajmitch> where 'interesting' means broken, i guess
[11:38] <desrt> well, not mine.  but the one you pointed me to and i've been using for ages
[11:39] <\sh> where is -25 anyways...all my repos don't show anything
[11:39] <crimsun> desrt: there was a fix for a race condition, but it wouldn't break your hardware
[11:39] <zul> dapper-security
[11:39] <desrt> \sh; are you sure you have -secuirt and -updates enabled?
[11:39] <\sh> desrt: yes
[11:40] <desrt> do you have linux-686 installed?
[11:40] <\sh> no
[11:40] <\sh> i386
[11:40] <desrt> if you only have linux-image-2.6.15-23-386 installed then it wont be upgraded
[11:40] <\sh> ah ok..
[11:40] <\sh> I just wondered
[11:40] <desrt> you need the actual linux-386 package to pull the version up
[11:41] <\sh> desrt: well, linux-386 is installed, but with version 2.6.15-22, but my boot kernel is 2.6.15-23
[11:42] <desrt> \sh; i've no idea.
[11:42] <desrt> \sh; -23 shipped with dapper
[11:42] <\sh> desrt: on this laptop it's a dist-upgrade from flight 6?
[11:42] <\sh> i think it wasflight 6
[11:43] <\sh> so something is going wrong with the updates of the linux kernel? it looks like