[00:13] <droid3> hey guys  i am wonder is there away to create a ubuntu repo from a github repo ?
[00:14] <droid3> And what determines the difference of a github repo vs a ubuntu repo vs  rpm based repo for redhat /centos ..
[00:14] <droid3> I always been on the side of adding a repo and downloading software.
[00:15] <jeremy31> droid3: I don't think there is such a thing as github repo
[00:15] <droid3> But now i am considering the other direction making my own ubuntu , redhat/centos ,...etc repos that i put my software on and that people can add thru there apt program ...etc
[00:15] <sarnold> droid3: I have no idea what a github repo is, but you can create your own apt repositories with aptly or apt-ftparchive
[00:16] <droid3> jermey31 github example https://github.com/torvalds/linux
[00:17] <droid3> its a version control for keeping track of your software versions , bugs ,...etc
[00:17] <sarnold> oh, you mean git repositories?
[00:17] <jeremy31> droid3: I know what github is, I don't think it can be considered a repo
[00:17] <sarnold> they're very different from apt repositories
[00:18] <droid3> I was curious on if there is away  to take your github repo and convert them into ubuntu or redhat repos so people can rpm or apt-get the software rather then git cloning it and building it from scratch.
[00:18] <droid3> sure its a software repo the ubuntu repo are more deb file repos or binary repos
[00:19] <droid3> I just was curious about if one can convert one over to the other visa-vera
[00:19] <droid3> Because i do find .deb , .rpm ,...etc are easier for most to install then downloading the .jar , .tar.gz , .exe /appImage ...etc
[00:20] <droid3> Also been awhile just curious on how one can manually create his own ubuntu third party repos on his website or hosting server?
[00:21] <droid3> Usually you go thru ppa , canonical  ,...and other server hosting sites that create your ppa url/uri to use with apt-get for you.
[00:21] <droid3> I am just curious on the software canonical uses to do it manually
[00:24] <sarnold> droid3: many people use travis or jenkins to offer binaries built for a variety of operating systems and architectures; there's also the opensuse build service which is apparently pretty nice
[00:26] <jayjo> What's the best way to get a list of required packages for a certain package? I'm trying to manually download debs for offline use, can I get a list of 'recommends' packages? I'm going to use dpkg-scanpackages to create the Packages.gz
[00:26] <sarnold> jayjo: you could check if apt-offline still works
[00:27] <Bashing-om> jayjo: ' apt depends <package> and apt show <package> ' should help.
[00:48] <droid3> jenkins , circle , travis , bamboo , teamcity , shippable , codeship , semaphore , continousphp ,...etc there so many to choose from by the time you get good with one its legacy and there is another one you got to learn. So its either learning about the deployment/continous build software which takes you away from programming the actual software
[00:49] <droid3> So i am just wanting more to setup a ubuntu repo that people can add to there sudo add-apt-repository xxxxx
[00:50] <droid3> and i want to host it myself later i am going to put it on a launchpad ppa:url...etc
[00:50] <droid3> But i was curious on how you create your own lauchpad set in your internal network
[00:51] <sarnold> droid3: as far as I know there's exactly two instances of launchpad running in the world. you almost certainly don't want to run *launchpad*.
[00:51] <droid3> Obviously the no brainer is just to sign up for launchpad or another service and put your application to deploy out there at people can just sudo add-apt-repository xxxx
[01:03] <droid3> sarnold but isnt launchpad the main site that allow PPA your personal package  achive so people can apt-get or yum it down
[01:04] <droid3> what other sarnold options for hosting a PPA are there for people?
[01:04] <sarnold> droid3: aptly and apt-ftparchive are the two popular choices
[01:04] <sarnold> droid3: at least with apt-ftparchive you can use the webserver of your choice to host the end results; I don't know much about aptly, but it looks neat
[01:04] <droid3> Github is great for source code repos but for deb , rpm and package managers they dont work so well  so you kind of need a launchpad website that hosts it /builds
[01:06] <droid3> wait are you saying apt-ftparchive  is a software service you can install locally on your home network to host your own PPA launchpad like repo for people to sudo add-apt-repository xxxx
[01:06] <sarnold> droid3: for the building side, you could more easily maintain a bunch of schroots for each release you want to support, for the various ubuntu and debian releases
[01:06] <sarnold> droid3: of course that'd only get you builds for whatever architectures you have available
[01:07] <droid3> so how does launchpad target any linux distro be it tar.gz source/binary or .deb or .rpm
[01:10] <sarnold> droid3: launchpad doesn't; launchpad only builds for debian-derived systems. the launchpad canonical hosts only builds for ubuntu, even
[01:10] <sarnold> droid3: if you want to build for rhel or sles you'll need to do something else to build rpms
[01:10] <droid3> ok so maybe i was wrong what do we have for rpm based distro repo
[01:10] <droid3> curious
[01:11] <droid3> i usually just yum them down never consider setting my own up for different distro flavors
[01:11] <droid3> sure mirroring them over with rsync is a different story but actually creating them i am curious hummmm
[01:11] <sarnold> droid3: I left rpm world back when up2date was still a thing :) heh
[01:12] <droid3> ya i remember those days lol
[01:12] <sarnold> droid3: check out the opensuse build service, I think it'd be something you'd like, and it is probably way easier to self-host that than launchpad; OBS also understands how to build both rpms and debs
[01:13] <droid3> i uses to think source code control repos like github , cvs, svn , mercurial was difficult to setup locally or use them but there pretty easy now a days. Back in the day less info was out on them and proprietary version controls where most insider company used
[01:14] <droid3> Now to me version control is not bad working either setting them up locally on your server or just as a client pushing changes to github...etc
[01:14] <sarnold> yeah, source code systems are *significantly* easier to manage than build services :)
[01:15] <droid3> The major issue now is creating my own package manager repos thats the last step as i hate just setting up github instructions on how to build or how to run
[01:16] <droid3> if i can just make a package repo that each individual distro repo can use like yumming , apt-get ,...etc and just have people add the url/uri that be another option i like to explore.
[01:17] <droid3> It be really cool if github , sourceforge , and the rest of the popular webbased software version control system on the web
[01:17] <droid3> to have the features of create a PPA or .deb .rpm , repo...etc
[01:17] <droid3> If they just enhanced the website with this for programmers without making it overly complicated
[01:18] <droid3> then one could make a repo url and an easy install method for any of his repo projects on these hosted site
[01:19] <droid3> wishful thinking it be really really cool
[01:19] <droid3> because github has bug tracking features , webpage hosting , wiki hosting ,...etc the only aspect it is missing is for linux/unix repo
[01:21] <droid3> to beable to sudo add-apt-repository xxxx and then sudo apt-get or sudo yum -y install http://xxxxx.rpm
[01:22] <droid3> thats the one area to integrate into software repo and program hosting site i see as an enhancement the ability to create repo for deb , rpm and other type of linux/unix repo
[01:23] <droid3> See with microsoft windows OS and mac OSX  you dont have this need for all this stuff.
[01:23] <droid3> But with linux /unix package repos are a huge deal.
[01:23] <droid3> to make things easier for others when developing software.
[01:26] <droid3> i guess my issue is i see alot of people with github project and sourceforge project and there readme/install instructions are like a few page and need really technical people to configure/setup. Sometimes there made overly complicated
[01:27] <droid3> yet  i set them up. But thought to myself when ever i provide software its a few instruction or a few as steps as possible to try to make it for people
[01:27] <droid3> the more steps you make / more complicated you make it in the deploying step is going to deter people from using it. I dont care how good the software is there are limits
[01:28] <droid3> So for me it just be nice if github ,bitbucket , sourceforge ,...etc had a feature button to click create deployment repos for deb , rpm , slack ,..etc
[01:29] <droid3> then all you have to do as a programmer is once you done with your github project say
[01:29] <droid3> just click the button to create a deploy repo for the debian , redhat , slack , xxxbsd ,...etc
[01:29] <zenn> Hello
[01:30] <droid3> its just better some times to have your finished project in package downloads.
[01:30] <zenn> i'm having caps lock delay issue any idea how to fix it?
[01:30] <zenn> any idea how to fix this I believe it has been a known issue for very long time
[01:30] <sarnold> droid3: the trouble is every project has vastly different build requirements
[01:30] <zenn> I'm running distro 20.10
[01:30] <droid3> As well as source builds from git clone ,  or downloading appImages , tar.gz...etc
[01:30] <sarnold> droid3: that's part of why all the READMEs hav ehuge instructions..
[01:31] <droid3> ya i know i just am trying to figure out a way that any normally user can use linux like windows interms of installing software
[01:31] <sarnold> droid3: well that part is easy, snap provides a single app store across distributions :)
[01:32] <droid3> it seem installing software on windows with install programs or downloading just the .zip or exe is almost as easy as point /click. With no issues 99% of the time for windows users
[01:32] <droid3> However for linux its not the case and i think mac /apple would be somewhere inbetween linux and windows.
[01:33] <droid3> not talking about difficulty of use of the system there all pretty straight forward for most. But it is in the application install procedures /package managers that things get hair for most people
[01:34] <droid3> not to mention you can hire a how team of project managers that only purpose is to maintain the software repos /versions ...etc
[01:34] <droid3> thats the only area windows seems to beat out linux/unix OS in.
[01:35] <droid3> simple because linux/unix is much more general software , ...etc then windows OS
[01:35] <Toadisattva> I don't know if it's in the repos/software center it's pretty much as simple as windows
[01:35] <droid3> anyway just rambling today until i look more into what is the popular package repos developers can use
[01:36] <droid3> launchpad is pretty up there its like github interms of package repo hosting for debian/ubuntu based OS
[01:36] <droid3> however i am not so sure about redhat , centos and the rpm based distro OS
[01:37] <droid3> And not so sure on the slackware repo , xxxbsd repo like net ,free open, dragonfly ,..etc
[01:38] <droid3> it seems as the deployment methods are vast and people can over complicate stuff or get lost on even how to download/run/install stuff on linux
[01:38] <droid3> where as windows you just click on the visual installer link or exe or .zip
[01:38] <droid3> so i am trying not to create new software or other standards /options god knows we have enough of them
[01:39] <sarnold> droid3: heh, funny, I left windows twenty years ago in part because I hated the windows .exe "click next eight times" installers that unpacked a dozen copies of the same old outdated libraries everybody else used...
[01:40] <nunya_> Is ther some way to lock icon position on desktop? Every time I save a file to desktop it seems to push files around in no particular order. Is there a way to have new files save to first empty spot after othe files' icons?
[01:40] <droid3> but the easiest way to deploy your linux/unix/xxxbsd software in the easiest manner ...keeping portability in perspective and easy of use. As well as being able to easily get it across to as many target audiences
[01:41] <droid3> nunya you should beable to say remove from favorites or pin to menu...etc look for those options
[01:42] <droid3> If you dont have them you may have to go into configure files or desktop settings , tweak , gsettings ,..etc Or
[01:43] <zenn> Hi guys any idea about the caps lock delay issue ?
not the application icons in the dock. I am referring to files I have on the /home/nunya/Desktop
[01:44] <droid3> you mean like locking the icons to always be on the desktop or removing a desktop icon like trash can or something?
I mean for them to always be in the position I left them instead of shuffled every time I add a file.
[01:47] <droid3> O i see what you mean
[01:47] <droid3> I just gsetting , tweak ,...etc  or look for  icon arrangement settings
[01:48] <droid3> usually you can set them to sort by date, name ,...etc but there should be a custom feature to setup in certain ways.
I couldn't find anything in settings  to do such a thing. Even a sort by name, type, or mod date would work.
[01:50] <droid3> nunya not sure off the top of my head but take a look at this thread
[01:50] <droid3> https://askubuntu.com/questions/47290/how-to-auto-arrange-desktop-icons
How do you get them to sort. I see no settings for that or right clicking on the desktop doesn't give me sort options either.
[01:51] <droid3> you may need to install iconic if you dont want to go thru the configuration files directly. It seems this program has some cool features that tweak might not have
If I knew the config files to edit I would.
[01:56] <zenn> anybody here can help me I'm fixing caps lock issue in intellij
[01:56] <zenn> which is affecting my coding
[01:59] <thdootdootman> yeah turn it off
[02:04] <nunya_> Iconic looks like a pain to use. Does anyone know another way to sort files on desktop by name, type, mod date, etc?
[02:07] <k_sze> Why is there linux-generic-hwe-20.04 but no xserver-xorg-hwe-20.04 yet? Is that normal?
[02:09] <nunya_> BTW running Ubuntu 20.4
[02:11] <sarnold> zenn: what kind of delay? I have capslock remapped to escape on my system for ages but it always felt pretty instant
[02:12] <zenn> like the TExt would appear like this when I have already press the caps lock button
[02:12] <zenn> it happens in Intellij
[02:13] <Jari--> hi all Ubuntu users
[02:13] <Jari--> morning from Finland
[02:14] <sarnold> Jari--: humppa!
[02:14] <sarnold> zenn: perhaps you've also disabled your capslock key? :)
[02:14] <zenn> ?
[02:14] <zenn> I never did disable anything at all.
[02:15] <zenn> it has been a known issue since ages
[02:15] <zenn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/574740/caps-lock-delay
[02:15] <zenn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1376903
[02:16] <zenn> I would like to note that this bug is still being overlooked by the community.
[02:16] <zenn> It really is aggravating to know while Linux as a whole claims to be free and open and customizable and user friendly due to the freedom to get what the users want, anything that the majority does not use as much is just... disregarded.
[02:23] <sarnold> zenn: that's strange; has anyone filed a bug with java folks so they would know about it?
[02:23] <zenn> it has been a known issue
[02:23] <zenn> it points to xorg
[02:26] <destinydriven> Hey guys, is there a way to check whether I'm running two separate instances of nginx on the same server?
[02:27] <sarnold> destinydriven: start with ps auxw | grep -i nginx perhaps
[02:27] <pavlos> destinydriven: shouldn't the parent pid be different?
[02:27] <destinydriven> Let me check
[02:28] <destinydriven> I stopped it service nginx stop and its still serving sites
[02:29] <destinydriven> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8n5Z9wXJJs/
[02:32] <pavlos> destinydriven: can you paste 'ps -ef | grep nginx' so I can see the ppid?
[02:32] <destinydriven> Sure
[02:33] <destinydriven> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZTn88VqfdY/
[02:34] <sarnold> strange, their parent is dead but they never got the message
[02:34] <sarnold> kill em by hand?
[02:34] <destinydriven> sarnold, which?
[02:34] <droid3> nunya try using sudo apt-get install gconf-editor
[02:35] <sarnold> destinydriven: the nginx worker processes
[02:35] <droid3> if you  dont know the configuration lines directly just use the gui program like that
[02:35] <destinydriven> ok
[02:35] <droid3> If you dont find what your looking for just uninstall it when you like.
[02:36] <droid3> me personally there are 100 of different setting for desktop managers so dont waste your time trying to figure out the names for every one /keeping track of them
[02:37] <droid3> just uses the gui and play around with it till you find what you need or uninstall it if you dont find what your looking for.
[02:39] <destinydriven> I keep getting nginx[78152]: nginx: [emerg] bind() to [::]:80 failed (98: Address already in use)
[02:43] <droid3> destinydriven seems like you already have some socket bound to that port
[02:43] <pavlos> destinydriven: from the last paste, there is no pid 78152
[02:44] <destinydriven> I rebooted the server
[02:44] <destinydriven> Let me see what spawns now
[02:44] <droid3> check to see whats running and check your firewalls also.
[02:45] <pavlos> destinydriven: you can try, 'netstat -plant | grep :80' to see what pid listens to port 80
[02:46] <pavlos> destinydriven: add sudo before netstat
[02:46] <destinydriven> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:80              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      1644/nginx: master
[02:46] <destinydriven> tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      1644/nginx: master
[02:46] <destinydriven> Just this right now
[02:47] <destinydriven> I run into issues when I try to run certbot to dry-run cert renewals.  All fail
[02:47] <pavlos> destinydriven: so ps -ef | grep nginx should show 1644 as ppid
[02:47] <destinydriven> 1644, 1649, 1650, 1651, 1654
[02:48] <destinydriven> Oh well yes 1644 is the ppid
[02:48] <pavlos> destinydriven: give us an updated paste, ps -ef | grep nginx
[02:49] <destinydriven> I should add that I'm running passenger with nginx
[02:49] <destinydriven> I suspect that may be the cause of the issues
[02:50] <destinydriven> pavlos: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/45HzdrQ4mX/
[02:50] <pavlos> destinydriven: much better ...
[02:51] <destinydriven> Looks normal right?
[02:51] <pavlos> destinydriven: yes, one ppid, a few pid stemming from ppid
[02:52] <destinydriven> Ok certbot seems to be running cleanly now
[02:52] <destinydriven> I'm still lost as to why there were issues before
[02:52] <destinydriven> Rebooting isn't a solution
[02:52] <pavlos> destinydriven: can you paste, sudo /usr/sbin/passenger-memory-stats
[02:53] <Roey> how do I find out the process that is using my webcam/making it turn red, indicating that it is recording?
[02:53] <destinydriven> Pavlos: sure
[02:53] <pavlos> destinydriven: reference this page, https://www.phusionpassenger.com/library/walkthroughs/deploy/ruby/ownserver/nginx/oss/stretch/install_passenger.html
[02:54] <destinydriven> Pavlos: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/rzj5FhWr9z/
[02:55] <destinydriven> Pavlos: I've been on those docs for days now haha
[02:55] <destinydriven> Problems started when I upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04
[02:56] <pavlos> destinydriven: according to the ref page, passenger is not running ... I dont know how to troubleshoot this part
[02:57] <destinydriven> Yeah you're right.  Redmine is certainly down now  .. . sigh
[02:59] <pavlos> I'll be afk (for a while ...
[02:59] <destinydriven> Pavlos: thanks for the assistance
[02:59] <pavlos> np
[05:05] <ash_worksi> what size monitors do you use for best productivity?
[05:24] <derpadmin> 4k
[07:01] <Mibix> im confused why my /media/servername is empty now
[07:01] <Mibix> it used to have a bunch of my shares
[07:20] <Alento> I recently upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 and in doing so the program 'gnome-screenshot' is not functioning properly.  Can I get some assistance here?
[07:21] <al_nz1> how do you check easy-rsa version?
[07:22] <tribaal> al_nz1: "apt policy easy-rsa" should give you that information
[07:22] <al_nz1> thanks it did
[07:23] <al_nz1> I could nto find that in google
[07:23] <tribaal> hehe :)
[07:23] <tribaal> you heard it here first folks! IRC is better than google
[07:23] <tribaal> :)
[07:23] <al_nz1> I am trying to sign a req and the common name show is munted commonName = \0D
[07:23] <al_nz1> which is not the CN I usedf
[07:24] <al_nz1> and the signing fails
[07:24] <al_nz1> but the req looks fine
[07:47] <saurabh009> Hi, I made some changes in the config files of the Kernel which is in boot directory, does anyone know how to recompile things again so that those changes I made in the config file gets activated
[07:47] <saurabh009> ?
[08:10] <al_nz1> is there a way to check the commonName in easy-rsa
[08:13] <fling> Consider using wireguard instead of openvpn if you can.
[08:14] <locsmif_work> Hi all. Any idea how I can properly cause a command like xset to run every time I boot into GUI?
[08:14] <locsmif_work> I've tried scripts in $HOME, none of them seem to be invoked
[08:15] <locsmif_work> Latest was ~/.Xresources
[08:16] <locsmif_work> I want to switch off dpms at every boot, since Ubuntu doesn't switch on my 4K monitor when I unlock my desktop
[08:16] <locsmif_work> I have to manually switch it off completely and on again for the monitor to be added to my desktop layout again
[08:17] <locsmif_work> There for I use xset -dpms
[08:17] <locsmif_work> Therefore*
[08:19] <locsmif_work> (Plaese tell me I don't have to wrap the command in Bash or add a sleep command to delay execution for 10 seconds.)
[08:20] <bindi> might need "export DISPLAY=:0.0"
[08:21] <locsmif_work> Ah, that makes sense
[08:26] <locsmif_work> Looks like .Xresources is a sort of registry though, with its own syntax and I don't know the specific setting name for dpms
[09:14] <snowkidimd> anyone familiar with dbus?
[09:14] <Hash> I NEED JAVA
[09:14] <Hash> Oops
[09:14] <Hash> JDK 8 is required for installing the NetBeans IDE. Make sure that the JDK is properly installed and run installer again.
[09:14] <Hash> Which one do I need? JRE or JDK, and which version?
[09:15] <Hash> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-jre#2-installing-openjre
[09:16] <snowkidimd> Question is that if I run a application that calls signal-cli, via dbus, i assigned that process a user, but I am not sure whether or not the user should have been assigned a password to get things working
[09:16] <snowkidimd> the runtime env and developer kit are two different things, some apps need both
[09:17] <Hash> Ok
[09:19] <locsmif_work> If you're installing netbeans, you need JDK
[09:19] <locsmif_work> Obviously
[09:19] <locsmif_work> Does anybody know how to sanity check upstart scripts? I just added one and I would like to have upstart check if it's valid or not. I'd rather not find out next boot if it isn't
[09:20] <Hash> Java programs fonts look like absolute hell
[09:21] <locsmif_work> Hash: I'm not a Java programmer, but maybe wxWidgets is available for Java
[09:21] <sandman13> hi, is there an automatic way to revert to ifupdown from Netplan? I mean auto configuration/generation of /etc/network/interfaces
[09:21] <locsmif_work> Otherwise, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaFX
[09:22] <sandman13> from the docs and wiki page, all I could infer was, ifupdown to Netplan is automatic but nothing much has been said about reverse
[09:23] <locsmif_work> Hash: I do hope you're not using Swing/AWT or whatever
[09:23] <Hash> Trying to get netbeans
[09:23] <Hash> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17510099/ugly-fonts-in-java-applications-on-ubuntu
[09:23] <Hash> Found this too
[09:23] <Hash> REQUIRED Remove openjdk and install oracle jdk.
[09:23] <Hash> Download deb from http://ppa.launchpad.net/no1wantdthisname/ubuntu/pool/main/f/fontconfig-infinality/
[09:23] <Hash> Uhmmm
[09:23] <Hash> Third party debs mmmmmm I dunno
[09:24] <Hash> I used to have like 3 or 4 options I would export as java options or put into netbeans.conf java command to make nicer fonts
[09:24] <Hash> I forgot them. Something someting AA something I dunno
[09:24] <locsmif_work> Hash: oh, that.
[09:24] <locsmif_work> No idea. I have no problems running PHPStorm/PyCharm here at least
[09:25] <sandman13> maybe this can work: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/java#Better_font_rendering
[09:25] <locsmif_work> That post is 7 years old, too
[09:25] <Hash> -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on, -Dswing.aatext=true
[09:25] <Hash> That's two of them
[09:25] <Hash> Nice
[09:25] <Hash> Let me try
[09:26] <sandman13> IIRC that worked for me
[09:29] <locsmif_work> Odd that you have this problem. I don't. Or don't appear to.
[09:29] <locsmif_work> Using older Ubuntu versions?
[09:32] <Hash> Just upgraded to 20 LTS
[09:33] <Hash> reinstall
[09:33] <locsmif_work> Ok
[09:41] <locsmif_work> Hash: the answer is that I'm using the JetBrains toolbox to install my IDEs, and they appear to come with their own tweaked OpenJDK
[10:13] <Hash> I see
[10:13] <Hash> I too have their software. I was setting them just now. I have a student pack thing.
[10:20] <ace_me> how should a row record in bind zone look like please ?
[10:20] <ace_me> domain.ro.      IN     MX (1)	 aspmx.l.google.com
[10:23] <Habbie> lose the ()
[10:37] <aminvakil> how can i have my local mirror using rsync, but excluding specific distros, is there a official ubuntu doc somewhere?
[10:43] <ikonia> !mirrors | aminvakil
[10:43] <ikonia> I'm sure there was a factoid for mirroring setup
[10:44] <aminvakil> ikonia: thanks for the link, i have setup my mirror successfully, my question was about excluding specific distros
[10:44] <ikonia> yes, so you've not set it up
[10:44] <ikonia> have a look through some of the docs
[10:44] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[10:44] <ikonia> it will depend on the process you use to sync the mirror if/how you exclude
[10:45] <Hash> Hello
[10:46] <aminvakil> ikonia: i'm not sure if you have read my question or not, i'm using "rsync" as i have said, there is nothing about excluding a distro using rsync in the link you have sent (i have read this), is there another wiki page which i'm unaware of?
[10:46] <Hash> I have updated to 20 LTS. I am using Xmonad and I am looking for a standalone Xorg panel to use. I need a button for program menu, a task switcher, and a system tray. It doesn't need to be fancy or have many features.
[10:47] <ikonia> aminvakil: --exclude
[10:49] <aminvakil> ikonia: that is what i'm looking for, so if just say "--exclude trusty" for example, and exclude any file or folder that have trusty in it, would i be fine? or am i going to miss a package in bionic which has trusty in its name?
[10:50] <aminvakil> ubuntu mirror structure is very confusing to me, i don't know what is in mirror/dists/bionic/main... and what is in mirror/pool/main...
[10:50] <aminvakil> would i be fine if i just exclude dists/trusty* ?
[11:07] <ikonia> aminvakil: you can't just write --exclude trusty, man rsync for the --exclude syntax and patterns
[11:08] <ikonia> aminvakil: you're second example is better, I often find that trusty/ would work, because it's looking for a dir name trusty then, rather than a file containing trusty
[11:15] <hackers> there's so much ubuntu going on I can't focus on making the right choice of product and solutions
[11:17] <jpds> aminvakil: No, you can't exclude distros with rsync like that
[11:21] <jpds> aminvakil: There's two options; either do a full mirror with rsync as you have, or use debmirror - but as you're excluding things - you have to resign the mirror with your own GPG keys (and pass those keys to the clients that use the mirror)
[11:22] <ikonia> jpds: is it the key signing of the repo that prevents the --exclude option being useable ?
[11:23] <jpds> ikonia: --exclude would only have an effect on the dists/ directory and nothing in pool/
[11:23] <jpds> ikonia: You'd save at most a couple of MB compared to the many GBs of the package files
[11:24] <jpds> So, basically useless
[11:25] <ikonia> yes
[12:09] <IniGit> hi
[12:09] <IniGit> Why do all tutorials for systemd suggest to put configuration into `/etc` ? For example my configuration for verdaccio is currently is `$HOME/.config/verdaccio` — why should I move it to `/etc`? Also the same is true for the binaries, why move them to `/usr/bin`?
[12:10] <IniGit> `ExecStart=/usr/bin/verdaccio --config /etc/verdaccio/config.yaml` is suggested in the docs instead of the default locations of those files
[12:12] <ThinkT510> isn't /etc system wide and $HOME./config/foo user specific?
[12:12] <ikonia> not seeing the problem there ?
[12:13] <IniGit> ThinkT510: I think so, but why is the user specific folder not ok?
[12:14] <ikonia> IniGit: I'm not sure what your question actually is ?
[12:14] <ikonia> what are you asking
[12:14] <IniGit> ikonia: Why I have to copy those files to the system wide folder and cannot just use the default files within the user specific folder?
[12:15] <ikonia> you don't have to
[12:15] <ikonia> you can do what you want
[12:15] <ikonia> it's advised/recommended to make functionality easier, standard etc
[12:17] <IniGit> ikonia: ok, thank you
[12:21] <Deyaa> Hello
[12:21] <Deyaa> I'm a Linux beginner
[12:22] <ikonia> welcome
[12:23] <Deyaa> I heard that Firefox is opensource project and cross platform. My question is how is it cross platform I'm mean does Firefox had repos for all operation systems?
[12:23] <ikonia> distros (ubuntu) package it
[12:23] <Deyaa> And where I can find these repos?
[12:23] <ikonia> it's in default in the ubuntu repos
[12:24] <Deyaa> I'm taking about the source filea
[12:24] <Deyaa> Files
[12:24] <Deyaa> For win Linux ios
[12:25] <ikonia> you may want to do a little bit of open source research on that
[12:25] <psych094> An online search for the source files should result in one of the search results to be mozilla's website containing the source files for (amost?) all the old versions to the latest.
[12:26] <psych094> Just do a search for firefox source codes... Using firefox :v
[12:28] <Deyaa> https://github.com/mozilla/firefox-browser-architecture
[12:29] <Deyaa> https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix
[12:29] <Deyaa> I came a cross these
[12:42] <psych094> Deyaa: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
[12:43] <psych094> Deyaa: Source code about releases or the latest version from here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Source_Code/Downloading_Source_Archives
[12:44] <Deyaa> psych094: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/1.0.7/
[12:44] <Deyaa> I can't find win64
[12:47] <ikonia> Deyaa: youre getting a little offtopic for this channel focus
[12:48] <ikonia> maybe join some of the firefox community groups, maillist/irc/news groups etc
[12:50] <Deyaa> ikonia: okay I'm sorry
[12:51] <ikonia> no need for sorry, it's fine
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:22] <linux_love> hi
[13:39] <g3poandlsl> I have an Ubuntu 18.04 install joined to an Active Directory domain with SSSD.  I'm trying to use Evolution to connect to an Exchange server using kerberos. However, when I open Evolution, I get the error "No response: Server not found in Kerberos database".
[13:39] <g3poandlsl> I have a valid kerberos ticket, but I'm guessing the Exchange server needs to be added to my keytab. Any thoughts?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> g3poandlsl: ubuntu server?
[13:49] <g3poandlsl> lotuspsychje, Ubuntu desktop
[13:51] <Kurozen> Hello
[13:52] <Kurozen> I'm looking to blacklist certain drivers, is the method stil the same in 20.04 LTS as in 16 and 18 ?
[13:56] <IniGit> hi
[13:57] <IniGit> When I have a service running and it constantly logs something, will my harddrive be full after so time?
[13:57] <IniGit> Or does systemd ensure, that this does not happen?
[13:57] <IniGit> I'm talking baout /var/log/syslog and journalctl
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> IniGit: the user needs to manage his system, clean your logs and other tmp files etc, check bleachbit/stacer to wipe
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !logrotate
[14:01] <BluesKaj> no info
[14:02] <IniGit> lotuspsychje: ok, thx
[14:02] <vlm> when i do mkfs.ext3 /dev/mydisk after when i do blkid /dev/mydisk it shows sec_typefs=ext2 along with ext3 is that intended?
[14:12] <kyle__> Using i3 on 20.04, it's logging me out completely when I leave it idle.  No errors, no obvious log messages.  I come back and I'm logged out.  Has anyone else come across this?
[14:14] <RoseBus> what's a good program to encrypt / decrypt directories that need to be accessed semi-regularly
[14:15] <RoseBus> it's getting tedious to use pgp and tar
[14:30] <kyle__> RoseBus: Is there a reason not to just do FDE?  Or at least encrypted /home ?
[14:32] <mgedmin> RoseBus: I still use ecryptfs for that, but apparently it's deprecated
[14:32] <mgedmin> maybe LUKS on a loop device would work?
[14:33] <mgedmin> ext4's new encrypted directory support is tantalizing, but I don't know how well it's supported
[14:37] <kyle__> It's been around since 2015 apparently.  Though this is the first I've heard of it.
[14:45] <IniGit> Can I also run a command within ExecStart= and if so how? (systemd)
[14:50] <IniGit> I mean without a .sh file
[14:50] <IniGit> Or do I have to have a .sh file?
[14:52] <ikonia> you can run anyting you want
[14:52] <ikonia> try the systemd channel to get some specific help on it
[14:54] <LimeOn> Is possible to install virtualbox 6.0 in ubuntu 20.04 or its dependencies will be incompatible with that version?
[14:55] <ikonia> check the deps
[14:57] <kyle__> LimeOn: if it's from a tarball or a .deb there's no reason not to try.  Won't hurt anything and it's trivial to try (assuming you're not on dialup where downloading it would be painful)
[14:58] <kyle__> LimeOn: Umm... why do you want 6.0 specifically anyway?
[14:58] <vlm> default for tar when used as root is preserve and extract permissions ,how come it still preserves owner and permissions when used as regular user,seems only it did not copy setuid permissions though
[15:03] <LimeOn> kyle__: i've seen that 6.1 no longer allows you to enable direct3d
[15:03] <LimeOn> and that the option was avaiable before 6.1
[15:07] <chull> My husband’s Ubuntu 20.04 machine is freezing in the middle of typing for like 30 seconds every few minutes. What could be doing that? It affects Terminal as well as LibreOffice. And IRC.
[15:11] <mefistofeles> chull: something in the logs?
[15:14] <chull> mefistofeles, thanks for replying. :)  I always forget where to look. (It's not my computer) Where to look?
[15:14] <mefistofeles> chull: maybe dmesg, when that happens
[15:16] <chull> mefistofeles, it keeps happening, when it happens, I can't type at all.
[15:17] <mefistofeles> chull: yeah, maybe check dmesg right after it happens, when possible
[15:22] <BluesKaj> or /var/log/syslog
[15:29] <ace_me> is not quite possible to use nginx proxy and apache on same machine to serve sites on same port 80 ?
[15:40] <ddubya> ace_me, you could bind each to a different ip address
[15:43] <herol3oy> hi. my apt repository just messed up and apt --fix-broken install doesn't work. and i can't install any new package throguh apt!!! can i clean my apt somehow?!
[15:44] <BluesKaj> herol3oy, which error came before you tried apt fix?
[15:45] <herol3oy> BluesKaj, https://pasteboard.co/JCVvrIo.png
[15:47] <coconut> herol3oy, better to pastebin instead of uploading images here if you can
[15:48] <herol3oy> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HKX5mcq4mW/
[15:48] <coconut> thnx
[15:50] <ddubya> ace me, is it possible to remove and re-install codeblocks?
[15:50] <herol3oy> when i run apt --fix-broken install >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j5hqRsCY8R/
[15:51] <herol3oy> ddubya, trying now..
[15:52] <ddubya> herol3oy, maybe apt-get autoremove codeblocks-*
[15:52] <BluesKaj> herol3oy, start at the the bottom (cccc) and install them in the order going up the list...this has worked for me on dependency issues in the past...it's worth a try
[15:54] <kyle__> LimeOn: Well that sucks.  Guess I'm lucky I haven't needed that in a while, I hadn't noticed.
[15:55] <kyle__> chull: if all else fails, install atop and enable it.  With luck it will capture what was running at those times, and you can scroll through the history to see what gobbled it up when.
[15:55] <herol3oy> ddubya, whatever apt command (remove purge autoremove and etc) i run i get this result >> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5GkMFPdvdm/
[15:57] <ddubya> herol3oy, try autoremove on each package listed there or codeblocks-*
[15:58] <herol3oy> apt autoremove * > just give me the same result :/
[16:01] <ddubya> maybe apt --fix-broken remove
[16:02] <ace_me> ddubya: have no ideea
[16:02] <ddubya> ace me, disregard last comment, was meant for hero. First comment still stands (listen/bind address is configurable)
[16:40] <wedr> oh no, I think I broke the Ubuntu dock... It's no longer detecting mouse events.   This is caused when I'm trying to do a screen capture snip (the one where your mouse turns into a cross) on a right mouse button context menu in Visual Studio Code.
[16:41] <wedr> Be aware, folks
[16:46] <wedr> um... anyone knows how to restart Ubuntu dock? I can Alt-Tab/WinKey-Tab windows just fine, and I can launch apps from the App Launcher using the WinKey, so I'm good with and without the Ubuntu dock
[16:58] <ace_me> I do not understand ... slave DNS should be able to be queried of r a domain it has there ?
[16:58] <ace_me> I get ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[16:59] <ace_me> how to test a DNS slave server?
[17:00] <ace_me> I did nslookup, then server IP
[17:00] <ace_me> then a domain it has
[17:00] <wedr> ah, it's just Alt+F2, then "r" for restarting the UI
[17:03] <ace_me> I also get zone transfer denied
[17:04] <nunya_> I am trying to write an executable script to shutdown my computer in 90 minute and tell me that it's doing so. Here's what I have so far. #!/bin/bash
[17:04] <nunya_> shutdown -h +90&
[17:04] <nunya_> gnome-terminal
[17:04] <nunya_> echo Computer will shutdown in 90 minutes
[17:05] <MikeRL100> Having networking issues with wifi dropping for no reason over the past day or so. Running 20.10. No clue why. I have already disabled power saving for my wifi card.
[17:05] <nunya_> Oops should have used pate bin sorry
[17:05] <nunya_> paste bin
[17:06] <MikeRL100> It could disconnect at any moment.  Maybe from a Pi?
[17:07] <MikeRL100> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1258738/ubuntu-20-04-upgraded-some-network-manager-packages-now-problems-are-ensuing
[17:07] <MikeRL100> I already did some troubleshooting on 20.04 before and fixed the issues.
[17:07] <nunya_> I have gotten the timer working and shutdown and gnome-terminal opens but no message about shutdown in terminal,please help.
[17:08] <MikeRL100> If nobody knows off hand how to fix it, considering esp. that the network could crap out on me, maybe I should use AskUbuntu? But what logs and details do I need?
[17:32] <aminvakil> ikonia: jpds: thanks for your advices! as it seems there isn't a clean option, i'd do a full mirror rsync then.
[18:12] <MikeRL> So, anyone have advice for troubleshooting the network? I think my post may have been buried. Been a while but miraculously the network hasn't disconnected again.
[18:16] <sarnold> MikeRL: is there anything in journalctl?
[18:22] <MikeRL> sarnold, Where's that?
[18:22] <MikeRL> Sorry for the late response.
[18:23] <MikeRL> I see a ton of search results. Which location are you referencing?
[18:24] <sarnold> MikeRL: type 'journalctl -f' and then use your machine for a while
[18:24] <sarnold> MikeRL: when you experience network problems, look at that terminal again, and see what was emitted at about the same time
[18:24] <MikeRL> sarnold, My guess is I should wait for a disconnect?
[18:24] <MikeRL> Oh ok.
[18:25] <sarnold> MikeRL: you could also read what's in history, but that requires a lot more understanding of what gets logged
[18:25] <MikeRL> sarnold, Where is that? I could paste it and use a grep command. Is it that simple?
[18:26] <MikeRL> sarnold, There was an issue earlier when shutting down, in the color red at the shutdown screen. Network-manager was mentioned.
[18:26] <MikeRL> So with that being mentioned that may narrow it down. My suspicion is I triggered a bug in network-manager.
[18:27] <sarnold> MikeRL: when you've got nothing to work with, you don't want to use grep -- you want to start with as wide a view as possible
[18:27] <MikeRL> But it's impossible to purge that package and reinstall it easily from what I remember.
[18:27] <MikeRL> sarnold, got it.
[18:28] <MikeRL> sarnold, But I do have one suspicion. Network-manager as mentioned above. It was hanging on shutdown.
[18:29] <sarnold> MikeRL: which one do you want to work on first? rebooting or using the machine? it's probably best to work on exactly one at a time
[18:30] <MikeRL> sarnold, Are you referring to the error on shutdown when you say rebooting the machine?
[18:30] <sarnold> MikeRL: yes
[18:30] <MikeRL> sarnold, I think whatever the consensus is on the most likely culprit. I'll likely watch journalctl.
[18:31] <MikeRL> sarnold, But it disconnects at startup. Err fails to connect, period. So running the command from the terminal may not catch it in time. May have to look at the history.
[18:34] <sarnold> MikeRL: ah, troubleshooting a failure to connect at all is indeed different
[18:34] <sarnold> MikeRL: that's best handled by looking at the logs after you boot
[18:35] <MikeRL> sarnold, It will connect if I mess with the network via the panel or settings. Don't know what I did to resolve it. But it fails to start normally at boot.
[18:39] <ash_worksi> is i3 the window manager in 20.04 ?
[18:40] <ash_worksi> (also, why are the LTS' always x.04 and x.10 ?)
[18:40] <MikeRL> All the releases are .04 or .10 except one because they come in April or October.
[18:41] <DJones> ash_worksi: LTS releases are every 2 years, latest is is 20.04
[18:41] <MikeRL> They reach stable that is.
[18:41] <DJones> !lts | ash_worksi
[18:41] <ash_worksi> so, this is not semantic based on release? (ie patch or backwards compatibility)
[18:41] <MikeRL> TH dang bot beat me.
[18:43] <ash_worksi> huh; well anyway, as for the first question...
[18:44] <DJones> ash_worksi: LTS are released every two years, in April, so 16.04, 18.04 and latest 20.04.  Everthing in between are short term releases that need to be updated every 6 months
[18:44] <ash_worksi> about window managers...
[18:44] <ash_worksi> :)
[18:45] <sarnold> ash_worksi: i3 is *not* the default
[18:45] <sarnold> ash_worksi: I run i3 myself on 20.04, it works well enough, but the default with ubuntu is gnome, and the other flavours have their own choices
[18:46] <MikeRL> What is an i3 Desktop environment?
[18:46] <MikeRL> Must be new.
[18:47] <tomreyn> it's newer than X11
[18:50] <MikeRL> tomreyn, Anything is newer than X11.
[18:52] <MikeRL> Guys still have a question. How do I go about getting the results from journatctl after boot?
[18:52] <sarnold> MikeRL: yeah, i3 is only 11 years old
[18:52] <sarnold> MikeRL: just run journalctl
[18:52] <MikeRL> sarnold, I thought it would miss the mess up after startup.
[18:52] <MikeRL> sarnold, It messes up before I can fire up the terminal.
[18:53] <MikeRL> Still may have useful info though.
[18:53] <sarnold> MikeRL: the default behaviour of journalctl is to show you all the journal messages in the current boot; journalctl -f follows new ones, and journalctl -b -1 etc shows you from previous boots
[18:53] <MikeRL> sarnold, Oh so it keeps a log of the older ones? Good.
[18:54] <MikeRL> I will run this as soon as I'm done mucking around with a Win7 install in vbox. May be 15 minute max. No more.
[18:54] <sarnold> MikeRL: yeah; the journal tries to keep everything until it hits disk use limits
[18:54] <MikeRL> I have enough space left so I'll be OK. Talking tens of GBs free.
[18:57] <hggdh> MikeRL: and journalctl --list-boots will show you all (currently) saved boots (so that you can zero in a specific previous boot)
[19:01] <MikeRL> Guys I wrote down the documentation you gave me for journalctl. Thanks. I know it's in the man pages or viewable with the --help argument, but there's probably a ton of arguments.
[19:02] <MikeRL> Anyone else with GNOME Shell try the DING desktop icons shell extension?
[19:02] <MikeRL> Way better IMO than the bundled one.
[19:08] <sarnold> MikeRL: heh, there's hundreds of thousands of lines of documentation for systemd-related stuff. figuring out which dozen things you actually need to know is insanely hard with it
[19:08] <MikeRL> sarnold, Well thanks. Makes my life not a nightmare.
[19:08] <sarnold> :D
[19:24] <MikeRL> sarnold, I have an issue. "journalctl --list-boots" only lists one boot.
[19:25] <MikeRL> Is there any way to increase the capacity to say 2 or 3 boots?
[19:25] <tomreyn> MikeRL: which ubuntu version are you running?
[19:25] <MikeRL> tomreyn, 20.10
[19:25] <tomreyn> is /var/ almost full?
[19:26] <MikeRL> tomreyn, How can I tell?
[19:26] <MikeRL> Hmm.
[19:26] <MikeRL> df -h?
[19:26] <MikeRL> Doesn't list /var...
[19:27] <MikeRL> Only /var/tmp.
[19:27] <dax> df -h /var, it'll show whichever partition is relevant, probably /
[19:27] <MikeRL> 80% in use for the main partition.
[19:27] <tomreyn> how much is free, in absolute numbers?
[19:29] <tomreyn> and what does this report?    journalctl --disk-usage
[19:29] <MikeRL> 101G available out of 513G partition.
[19:29] <MikeRL> Too short to paste.
[19:29] <MikeRL> "Archived and active journals take up 16.0M in the file system."
[19:30] <tomreyn> did you customize /etc/systemd/journald.conf ?
[19:30] <MikeRL> No customizations to my knowledge.
[19:30] <MikeRL> Don't think I've viewed that file till today.
[19:31] <tomreyn> does the directory /var/log/journal exist?
[19:31] <tomreyn> if not, you would need to run: mkdir -p /var/log/journal
[19:32] <MikeRL> Do not see it.
[19:32] <MikeRL> Do you need a paste of ls -a?
[19:32] <tomreyn> no, i believe you.
[19:32] <MikeRL> Now the folder exists.
[19:33] <tomreyn> it's unsualy that you don't have it, though. the only explanation i can think of is a custom installation or a system that was upgraded from before 18.04 LTS
[19:33] <tomreyn> oh, also a failed release upgrade could have caused it
[19:33] <MikeRL> This Linux install has been upgraded for a while. Not sure when I started it.
[19:33] <MikeRL> Not custom.
[19:34] <MikeRL> Just been upgraded for some time. Likely the cause.
[19:34] <MikeRL> Is there any way to tell what the original pre-upgrade version was?
[19:34] <tomreyn> cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:34] <MikeRL> I backup using GNOME Disks so I haven't reformatted clean in a while.
[19:35] <MikeRL> No such file or directory for that command.
[19:35] <MikeRL> I wonder if Bleachbit removed it.
[19:35] <tomreyn> then it gets harder, maybe /var/log/release-upgrade* can hint on it
[19:35] <MikeRL> I use that occasionallly.
[19:36] <MikeRL> Nothing.
[19:36] <MikeRL> Old install for sure though.
[19:37] <MikeRL> So I guess I'll get back on topic.
[19:42] <MikeRL> I did have cloudflare deamon installed. I removed it when networking issues started to streamline any issues. Just to be more close to a fresh install.
[19:45] <MikeRL> Output for "journalctl -b -l" from this morning's boot: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sZGrHq8QyP/
[19:46] <MikeRL> I updated X so I probably should reboot. And I'll get more logs.
[19:47] <frib> after installing ubuntu 20 wifi and bluetooth are off by default at reboot. I tried changing power saving config file but it doesn't work. please help, ty
[19:47] <kyle__> Any other i3 users on  20.04? Weird problem: it's logging me out completely when I leave it idle.  No errors, no obvious log messages.  I come back and I'm logged out.  Has anyone else come across this?
[19:49] <sarnold> kyle__: is there anything in journalctl?
[19:51] <kyle__> Nothing obviously correlated
[19:52] <MikeRL> Back. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pJkyzrVF5Z/ Same command as before. No noticable network disconnect this time. Yet.
[19:52] <kyle__> I should repharse: nothing that obviously shows what went wrong, just a message that "[../../i3-wm-4.17.1/i3bar/src/xcb.c:1078] ERROR: X11 connection was closed unexpectedly - maybe your X server terminated / crashed?"
[19:54] <MikeRL> I disconnected and reconnected that time on purpose and it worked.
[19:55] <MikeRL> So, no disconnects now. But it did it several times earlier.
[19:55] <MikeRL> Crazy.
[19:59] <sarnold> kyle__: ohho! how about the X logs?
[20:00] <sarnold> MikeRL: you've got some gnome shell messages in here, maybe disabling some / all of your extensions may help something
[20:01] <kyle__> Apparently the stopped writing on the 30th...
[20:02] <sarnold> Dec 01 14:49:08 mike-HP-ENVY-Notebook kernel: STATE_INVALID_DROP: IN=wlp3s0 OUT= MAC=4c:34:88:4c:2f:2a:dc:bf:e9:f6:df:81:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x20 TTL=50 ID=37949 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=39200 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0
[20:02] <sarnold> kyle__: dang, I assume the crash was on the first?
[20:03] <sarnold> Dec 01 14:49:19 mike-HP-ENVY-Notebook wpa_supplicant[1358]: wlp3s0: CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL-CHANGE above=1 signal=-54 noise=9999 txrate=390000
[20:03] <sarnold> MikeRL: hmm, what's gcr-prompter ?? I'm afraid it logged a key to your journal
[20:03] <MikeRL> sarnold, I disabled all but DING, Dash to Dock, Bing Wallpaper Changer, and Appindicator and KStatusNotifierItem Support.
[20:03] <kyle__> The most recent was.  I'm Using the default unity-like-gnome that comes with 20.04 right now.  And no issues if I walk away from it for hours :/
[20:04] <sarnold> MikeRL: it does say public= .... in the string, but it also has an 'aes' in the thing. what's it do?
[20:04] <MikeRL> sarnold, I have no clue what that is without searching it up.
[20:05] <sarnold> MikeRL: ahhh, gnome keyring prompter. it's probably fine then. pfew. :) I was worried for a minute..
[20:05] <MikeRL> https://developer.gnome.org/gcr/stable/GcrPrompt.html
[20:05] <MikeRL> My guess is it's a qt pw prompt?
[20:06] <MikeRL> Thought it was a rootkit or something?
[20:06] <sarnold> MikeRL: I saw some tor stuff earlier in the logs and worried if there was a tor-specific application that might have been writing silly debug messages
[20:07] <MikeRL> sarnold, That would hurt being anonymous via tor, wouldn't it?
[20:08] <sarnold> MikeRL: yes it would :) it might also expose the data; but I strongly doubt gnome tools would do something so silly
[20:09] <MikeRL> What do I do now? Keep rebooting till it happens again?
[20:10] <MikeRL> I dual boot and 10 has another annoying update.
[20:10] <MikeRL> But ofc I want to tackle this.
[20:10] <MikeRL> If only it logged more than the current boot.
[20:13] <MikeRL> sarnold, Do you have any ideas on what to do next? Should I just wait for it to come back?
[20:14] <sarnold> MikeRL: the STATE_INVALID_DROP: and CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL-CHANGE messages were the 'funny' looking things I saw aside from the noisy gnome stuff
[20:14] <sarnold> MikeRL: see if those correlate with your problems in the future or not
[20:15] <MikeRL> sarnold, So I guess log again and see if they reappear? Log when it messes up?
[20:15] <sarnold> MikeRL: yeah, that's the nice part of journalctl -f, when it happens you just glance at another terminal
[20:16] <MikeRL> Yeah. I will do it again. May be some time though. No way to tell when it returns.
[20:31] <rjwiii> Hi ... I keep getting the message "Package operation failed/The installation or removal of a software package failed." ... there's no information telling me what failed ... any ideas?
[20:32] <rjwiii> Ubuntu 20.04
[20:33] <sarnold> rjwiii: try starting with sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, see what errors pop out
[20:33] <mefistofeles> rjwiii: when is that happening? What are you running to get that?
[20:33] <rjwiii> mefistofeles: that happens when the updater runs.
[20:34] <mefistofeles> rjwiii: I guess what sarnold says then
[20:37] <rjwiii> sarnold: Something to do with v4l2loopback-dkms ...
[20:39] <rjwiii> sarnold: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bX5shD52Kc/
[20:41] <sarnold> rjwiii: okay, that looks like a pop_OS! kernel version; I suggest talking to popOS folks for advice
[20:41] <sarnold> rjwiii: if they're out of ideas, I suggest just purging that dkms package, but they may have better ideas
[20:42] <rjwiii> sarnold: This is a System76 machine, but I am NOT using POP! OS ... Straight Ubuntu 20.04 ...
[20:44] <sarnold> rjwiii: it isn't, note that your kernel comes from http://ppa.launchpad.net/system76-dev/stable/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[20:45] <rjwiii> sarnold: I see that ... it is still Ubuntu 20.04 that came with the machine ...
[20:45] <rjwiii> sarnold: not POP! OS ...
[20:46] <rjwiii> sarnold: Is it something that System76 to 20.04?
[20:47] <sarnold> rjwiii: yeah, system76 maintains your kernel
[20:56] <fraktor> Would this be the right place to ask for nVidia driver support? Or is there a more appropriate channel?
[20:56] <matsaman> there're worse places
[20:57] <fraktor> True that. I just did a kernel upgrade (I'm on the lowlatency kernel) and now my video card doesn't seem to be recognized. I can start X applications, but my resolution is wrong.
[20:57] <fraktor> Also I can't start other applications like Steam, etc.
[21:00] <matsaman> fraktor: and the only thing you changed was your kernel?
[21:01] <fraktor> I did a `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`.
[21:01] <fraktor> Followed by an autoremove.
[21:01] <matsaman> so just boot the old kernel instead to confirm. If that works, you can try and find a newer version of the kernel and see if it still has the issue. If it still has, you'll have to actually find out what the issue is
[21:01] <fraktor> ...I should not have done an autoremove, should I...
[21:03] <matsaman> well, if the packages are properly dep'd in, it shouldn't have been an issue
[21:03] <fraktor> I don't think I have the old kernel around anymore.
[21:03] <matsaman> you probably do, it's likely in /boot/
[21:04] <EriC^> fraktor: ubuntu always leaves 1 or 2 old kernels
[21:04] <EriC^> fraktor: in grub go to advanced > select an older kernel
[21:05] <fraktor> I uh, in my thrashing around I uninstalled and reinstalled the driver package. So according to dkms, I only have the nvidia module for the current kernel.
[21:11] <EriC^> fraktor: are you sure it doesnt build for all available kernels?
[21:11] <fraktor> I mean, looking at `dkms status` I only see the one module.
[21:12] <Younder> Are the 5 kernels working on ARM?
[21:12] <EriC^> fraktor: what's in "ls /boot/vmlinuz*"
[21:16] <EriC^> !arm | Younder
[21:21] <sarnold> Younder: this is 20.04 lts on an rpi3b+: Linux ubuntu 5.4.0-1022-raspi #25-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 15 13:31:49 UTC 2020 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
[21:22] <Younder> Yes I am running 20.04 on a Raspi 4 as well.
[21:23] <sarnold> how's that working? I thought 20.10 had some important updates for the 4
[21:23] <Younder> My xavier-nx (from nvidea) is still on 18.04
[21:24] <Younder> sarnold, I did it a few months ago. I installed the server version and then 'sudo install ubuntu-desktop' to get the desktop version.
[21:26] <sarnold> Younder: and it mostly seems to work? wired or wireless?
[21:26] <Younder> THis is a month or so before the desktop vesion of ubuntu was released.
[21:27] <Younder> sarnold, It works wired and wireless. Haven't had any serious glitches yet.
[21:28] <sarnold> Younder: sweet
[21:37] <Azrael_-> hi
[21:40] <Azrael_-> i try to run the danted socks proxy server and already managed to get a connection to it, but now it doesn't forwards the connection request. that's the whole config i'm currently using. https://pastebin.com/gPKZQTHn  any idea how to fix it?
[21:48] <sarnold> Azrael_-: "eth0:0" looks super-funny
[21:48] <sarnold> Azrael_-: these interface aliases are twenty-ish years old, I'm not sure how well supported they are
[21:48] <sarnold> Azrael_-: I suggest replacing both those with an IP address
[21:49] <sarnold> Azrael_-: I'm also guessing the pass, client pass, blocks could use some refinement
[21:49] <kyle__> sarnold: They still work perfectly fine on modern kernels.
[21:50] <sarnold> kyle__: yeah, but all the other tools?
[21:50] <sarnold> binding to interfaces is a thousand times harder than binding to an ip address
[21:50] <kyle__> Hrumm.  OK that I'm not sure of.
[21:50] <sarnold> sometimes highlevel tooling makes it look easy, but it's *much* more work
[21:51] <kyle__> 100%
[21:51] <sarnold> binding to an IP address is much simpler, and easy to test :)
[21:53] <Younder> Networking is hard to do off the top of your head. It's like it wont all fit. At least for me. I read up on a subsystem and then go.
[21:55] <Azrael_-> ok, i just realized that this is running xenial! thus the version is dante 1.1
[22:01] <Azrael_-> sorry for wasting your time, i'm switching now to centos as this is the only newer version they offer
[22:03] <sarnold> Azrael_-: dante appears to be packaged for newer versions of ubuntu, too, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dante
[22:05] <Azrael_-> yeah, but unfortunately this is a vps-environment, so i don't think i can easily upgrade ubuntu to a newer version. i know the current ubuntu has 1.4, xenial has 1.1. didn't find an easy way to run 1.4 on xenial
[22:07] <sarnold> oh yeah, upgrading a vps is kinda weak vs just using whatever they already offer
[22:14] <Starship8014> hi, how risky is "sudo apt upgrade"? I am running a ubuntu server since 6 months and perform this command once a week to stay up to date. Being a windows user all my life, I fear that it will break one day. are my worries unfounded?
[22:20] <ddubya> Starship8014, it will probably break one day. Depends on how many services are running, now they're customized etc. If it is a production server you should probably use a second server or VM for testing updates
[22:22] <Starship8014> I see, thanks. I hope'd I wouldnt have to do that :D
[22:22] <ddubya> eventually you end up doing it, because it breaks and the server goes offline for hours or worse
[22:23] <Starship8014> how often should i do updates? I would like to expand that then a little as it gets more time consuming
[22:23] <ddubya> it is worth the effort since you also get the freedom to experiment without risking anything
[22:26] <kyle__> Starship8014: Mostly dependent on how many PPAs you have, and how well they are maintained.
[22:27] <ddubya> not sure what the release schedule is, but you could go by that. also only to the security updates
[22:27] <ddubya> if you skip upgrades for say, once a quarter or whatever when the big breaks might occur
[22:27] <kyle__> apt upgrade shouldn't be upgrading anything that needs a reboot, and shouldn't be changing versions enough to break config files.  _Shouldn't_ of course is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
[22:28] <sarnold> we release security updates monday through thursday most weeks; we release new kernels every three weeks, and not all kernel issues can be livepatched
[22:29] <kyle__> I've had it break things for me a few times, but I could count them on one hand.  And the only one that was on a production box was due to a PPA, not due to something from the primary repos.
[22:30] <Starship8014> Interesting, with that being said, I should do updates every day^
[22:31] <Starship8014> I think I don't run anything fancy - mostly very popular software as this server basically is a web server for my sites
[22:32] <kyle__> On a desktop weekly, because it feels like there are security patches for the browsers all the damned time.
[22:32] <ddubya> it depends on what you are risking, what your time is worth, what downtime costs the business
[22:32] <Starship8014> I agree
[22:33] <kyle__> ddubya: Do you have standard/planned maint windows where you work?
[22:35] <ddubya> nope, it's a low priority
[22:35] <kyle__> If they're on the schedule like clockwork, it really helps take off the pressure, by normalizing them.  All the org will just expect it then.  It's been really nice when I've worked places that had that.
[22:35] <ddubya> stuff goes forever without being updated lol
[22:35]  * kyle__ remembers to update the freebsd NFS server in the basement seomtime next year....
[22:36] <kyle__> Ahhem.  Yeah.  That happens.
[22:36] <ddubya> I would like to have a pre-production system that updates automatically, runs unit tests etc , then emails me it is ok to apply to production
[22:37] <sarnold> there's a reason why unattended-upgrades is default installed these days :)
[22:37] <ddubya> then I can do a manual update outside busy hours
[22:37] <ddubya> yeah it enables too much botnet rampage
[22:37] <ddubya> or rather prevents
[22:38] <jpds> Starship8014: These days I just use unattended-upgrades everywhere
[22:39] <Starship8014> Hm, what's unattended-upgrades? Like auto-upgrades?
[22:40] <Starship8014> jpds, do you run a webserver with that and how long has this been working for you? :)
[22:40] <jpds> Starship8014: I run several pieces of infra as my day job
[22:44] <Starship8014> Alright, I'll look into that - thanks for pointing that out
[22:44] <jpds> Starship8014: I'm also of the school of thought that if a stable release update is rolled out to an LTS that broke a webserver package - it's an instant regression bug with the distro
[22:48] <Intelo> What disk encryption does ubuntu uses if chosen during installation?
[22:48] <Starship8014> Alright, :)
[22:49] <jpds> Intelo: LUKS
[22:49] <sarnold> Starship8014: unattended-upgrades installs security updates overnight
[22:52] <Intelo> jpds: what type and bits?
[22:52] <Starship8014> sarnold thank you :)
[22:58] <lnx20> Anyone have any knowledge with ARandR sceen layout editor?
[22:59] <Harlin> lnx20, what you trying to do?
[23:01] <lnx20> Boot my linux box in portrait mode. I have 24" screen in portrait mode and would like to boot straight into it instead of having to change after login
[23:13] <matsaman> lnx20: so it's in landscape mode, and therefore rotated 90deg for your eyes, by default?
[23:22] <lnx20> matsman: yes, rotated clockwise 90 degrees. I use it for terminal work but atm I boot in, turn my head to log in, then open saved ARandR config file which has settings to rotate screen to portrait.
[23:25] <matsaman> lnx20: probably you'd want to add a file to xorg.conf.d with something like 'Option "Rotate" "left"' mapped to your monitor
[23:26] <lnx20> matsaman: ah ok, I will look into that then. late here so logging off now. If it works I'll thank you in advance, thanks!
[23:54] <MikeRL> Good news. Think I may have fixed the connection issue. Either was the firewall or a shell extension. I removed all extensions except a casting one that modify the system menu.


[00:30] <SupMyDude> #list
[06:19] <lordievader> Good  morning
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:47] <himvish997> hi, I am Himanshu Vishwakarma, using the ubuntu since last three year and now I want to start in the development in ubuntu. Please guide me how to start
[16:48] <himvish997> what are basic set to start in development
[16:49] <himvish997> where I can start fix bug in the ubuntu
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Good evening all
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> any one need help?
[17:46] <BionicMac> Good evening phoenix_firebrd
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: good morning
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I mean good evening. more coffee :)
[17:47] <BionicMac> That's what I'm trying to decide. morning or afternoon. =) I'm half asleeep and the coffee hasn't kicked in.
[17:47] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[17:47] <BionicMac> 12:47 for me. CST
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> 11:18 pm here
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> gmt+530
[17:49] <BionicMac> gmt-05:00
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> ok


[11:41] <CIA-4> partman-auto: evand * r586 partman-auto.ubuntu/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add an option to reuse an existing installation.
[12:55] <CIA-4> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r312 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (19 files in 13 dirs): Marco Biscaro uploaded without using bzr.
[13:09] <cjwatson> ev: bug 711965 seems like it must be a ubiquity bug (since the difference is essentially maybe-ubiquity), but it's weird that he can't get to a tty.  Any thoughts?
[13:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711965 in casper "Natty live CD fails to complete boot w/o user interaction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711965
[13:58] <ev> I'm going to suggest he edit the kernel command line to add maybe-ubiquity and remove quiet splash, to get a better idea of what's going on.
[13:58] <ev> cjwatson: apologies, was at lunch
[14:02] <CIA-4> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r313 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (227 files in 6 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[14:03] <cjwatson> ev: oh no problem, thanks
[14:21] <CIA-4> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r314 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 31
[14:26] <NCommander> cjwatson: hey, you about, I want to discuss the possibility of doing a full re-write of flash-kernel to use archdetect and drop the vast majority of the current Debian specific code
[14:28] <cjwatson> I would much rather you had that conversation with the people in Debian who care about flash-kernel, honestly
[14:28] <cjwatson> I don't know enough about it
[14:29] <cjwatson> look up names in the changelog perhaps?  e.g. tbm might well have useful thoughts
[14:31] <NCommander> cjwatson: actually, I kinda want to break from Debian. The Debian flash-kernel and the Ubuntu one have already significantly diverged, and with the move to use archdetect-deb vs. /proc/cpuinfo, that diff is still going to continue to increase. As Debian currently targets mostly embedded platforms, and we're targetting desktop like, we're not gaining a lot by having a common codebase
[14:32] <cjwatson> why not call yours something else then?
[14:32] <cjwatson> I'm generally not going to support complete rewrites, TBH
[14:32] <cjwatson> but if you want a separate tool, that's up to you
[14:34] <NCommander> cjwatson: that's acceptable and understandable, in that case, what's your stance in using a new tool over f-k in d-i or ubiquity?
[14:35] <ev> before I proceed, can anyone come up with a good reason why I shouldn't have a separate oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu binary package instead of keeping the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu package on the target system?  So far it's only a s/installing/configuring/g.
[14:36] <cjwatson> NCommander: they shouldn't conflict, so it should be possible to include both
[14:36] <cjwatson> they can just each handle whichever subarchitectures they handle
[14:37] <cjwatson> ev: suppose it depends how much work it is to maintain that; I can't think of any other reasons
[14:37] <cjwatson> might be best to arrange for those binaries not to conflict though
[14:38] <cjwatson> ev: how's it going with bug 683260?
[14:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683260 in casper "persistence doesn't work on liveusb" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683260
[14:38] <NCommander> cjwatson: I much perfer that idea
[14:38] <ev> they don't.  oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu does the conflicts, replaces, provides dance with oem-config-slideshow.
[14:39] <ev> cjwatson: thanks for the prod, firing up KVM now.
[14:42] <cjwatson> this KDE frontend keyboard configuration bug is a right nightmare
[14:42] <cjwatson> not entirely convinced it's KDE-specific, but not going to divert to check
[14:42] <ev> yikes, yeah, I was having a hard time following it as well
[14:44] <cjwatson> it's got something to do with the keyboard-configuration/store_defaults_in_debconf_db spaghetti mess
[14:44] <cjwatson> but simply blatting that to false causes a different set of problems
[15:36] <CIA-4> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r316 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 32
[15:40] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4506 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-console-setup.py):
[15:40] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Tell keyboard-configuration not to write defaults in the debconf
[15:40] <CIA-4> ubiquity: database when we're in the process of changing the layout (LP: #705917).
[15:58] <gswallow> Hello, all.  I have another question; this time regarding ufw's debconf questions.  I have tried both ufw/allow_custom_ports and ufw/allow_known_ports, but neither of them seems to work. Is this supported?
[16:00] <cjwatson> gswallow: I don't know the details of ufw, but did you remember that the first field in your preseed file needs to be the package name rather than "d-i" when preseeding packages that aren't part of the installer?
[16:00] <gswallow> yes sir
[16:00] <cjwatson> you'd need to ask somebody who knows about ufw in particular then
[16:00] <gswallow> I'm poring through the syslog and I wonder if I included packages-preseed.txt in the wrong spot in the initial preseed.txt file.
[16:01] <cjwatson> ordering in the preseed file doesn't matter
[16:01] <cjwatson> think of it as a list of database assignments before you set everything off (in fact, that's pretty much what it is)
[16:02] <gswallow> ok
[16:41] <CIA-4> casper: evand * r861 casper/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-helpers): Handle $cow_backing already being mounted elsewhere (LP: #683260).
[16:43] <CIA-4> casper: evand * r862 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.257
[20:11] <jmgalloway> does anyone know why the installer hangs when I try to install ubuntu on a new machine?


[16:01] <mterry> Let's say I put a ureadahead pack file (/var/lib/ureadahead/pack) in the casper squashfs filesystem.   It doesn't seem to still be there after an install (I boot up into a live cd and check the target partition)
[16:01] <mterry> What sort of stuff runs after unpacking the squashfs?
[16:13] <superm1> are you sure the file didn't get included in the blacklist of stuff not to copy?  check the install log on the target partition
[18:44] <mozmck> I'm building a custom Ubuntu Lucid based live CD with a custom kernel with RTAI realtime extensions.  How can I prevent the installer from downloading and installing the generic-pae kernel on systems with more than 3 gig of memory?


[05:45] <Maakuth> hi! anyone seen xorg segfaulting after docking thinkpad?
[06:17] <tjaalton> no?
[15:57] <Maakuth> for a moment I thought it was about the nvidia driver, but it seems to happen without it as well


[09:20] <Myrtti> could it be a bot?
[09:21] <Flannel> If it is, it's a bot that thinks queries are channels.
[09:21] <Flannel> It is responding when spoken to.  Not sure why 'bootris' is prepended though.
[09:34] <Tm_T> talking bot
[09:37] <Myrtti> I think it is
[09:38] <Tm_T> gone
[13:31] <bazhang> 4 from the same IP just entered #ubuntu Sheila____ and 3 others
[13:32] <Myrtti> school, I presume
[13:32] <Myrtti> will have a look
[13:32] <ikonia> already removed one
[13:33] <Myrtti> /csmute<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:34] <bazhang> gone
[14:58] <jpds> Guys, I need a place to put ubot4.
[15:05] <Myrtti> alright, what did you have in mind? my handbag is spacious but it doesn't have a python inside.
[15:05] <Myrtti> (no crude jokes please)
[15:10] <jpds> Some server somewhere. ;)
[15:11] <ikonia> jpds: I'll stick on mine for a while if you need somewhere
[15:36] <mneptok> jpds: i may also be able to offer some help. just axe.
[16:26] <oCean> pleiades<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:26] <oCean> also #u and +1
[16:32] <mneptok> Steve McQueen's got nothing on me. I'll take you back west of Pleiades.
[16:36] <oCean> mneptok: sounds like the singer has a cold
[17:01] <mneptok> oCean: the studio time was booked in advance, i guess. ;)
[17:02] <oCean> (:
[18:09] <pangolin> @mark #ubuntu baconbacon123<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not sure if user is trolling or if they are new to irc. Some silliness.
[19:08] <Pici> !ping
[20:01] <urfr332gO> I have a user continuosly PMing me with this U started da shit.
 questioning my faggy linux abilities.
[20:01] <urfr332gO>
[20:01] <urfr332gO> * Loaded log from Thu Mar  1 11:59:56 2012
[20:01] <urfr332gO>
 also, I'm too lazy to /query. :]
 u no tell me wut to do, this is a private talk too, lol after asking them not to PM me on #ubuntu
[20:02] <pangolin> ignore them
[20:02] <urfr332gO> pangolin, you might look at their posts.
[20:04] <pangolin> will keep an eye open
[20:05] <urfr332gO> pangolin, thanks no biggie, just the perjorative was bothersome in the channel.
[20:28] <Ubi_DaX> am i quiet-ed on #ubuntu?
[20:28] <Ubi_DaX> +q?
[20:28] <Pici> No.
[20:29] <Pici> No one seems to know the answer to your question, or hasn't seen it.
[20:29] <Pici> Try asking it again (all on one line) and perhaps someone will be able to answer.
[20:29] <Ubi_DaX> Pici, how could no one know answer to a newbie question?
[20:29] <Ubi_DaX> It's not like asking for psychic powers to install my system automatical
[20:29] <Ubi_DaX> y
[20:29] <Ubi_DaX> can you check?
[20:30] <Ubi_DaX> also, this
[20:30] <Ubi_DaX> [22:24] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[20:30] <Ubi_DaX> nevermind
[20:30] <Ubi_DaX> thanks Pici
[20:30] <Pici> np
[20:31] <Pici> AlanBell: thanks, I haven't done any USB installs myself, so I wouldn't have been much help.
[22:17] <M4dH4TT3r> ok what was i banned for this time?
[22:19] <M4dH4TT3r> or is this a residual ban from some time ago?
[22:19]  * M4dH4TT3r has alot of those
[22:32] <AlanBell> M4dH4TT3r: why do you get lots of bans?
[22:36] <M4dH4TT3r> cause im a ass?
[22:36] <M4dH4TT3r> did i win a million dollars?
[22:38] <AlanBell> no, and I am not sure you are winning a return pass to #ubuntu either
[22:39] <M4dH4TT3r> ive been good for a while though
[22:39] <M4dH4TT3r> :D
[22:40] <AlanBell> last time you were in #ubuntu I think you were removed for ban evasion. Whilst you were there you were repeating some nonsensical phrase that claimed to be a question
[22:40] <AlanBell> 2012-02-29T16:08:21 <M4dH4TT3r> cannot find sandbox server = network error?
[22:41] <AlanBell> that is not a well formed question
[22:43] <M4dH4TT3r> why not it lists the error and my assumption im not one of those english major degree people that only makes it in this field because they have a degree
[22:44] <M4dH4TT3r> you know what im talking about
[22:44] <AlanBell> there is no context
[22:44] <AlanBell> I have *no* clue what you are talking about
[22:45] <AlanBell> I am so clueless that I am now even curious as to what on earth you were on about
[22:45] <M4dH4TT3r> where hr hires the guy with the degreee no matter what kind it is over the guy with 20+yrs experience = what im talking about
[22:45] <AlanBell> is sandbox the name of a server on your network perhaps?
[22:46] <M4dH4TT3r> no it was the exact error i was getting from ubuntu
[22:46] <AlanBell> were you trying to run a command when you got an error?
[22:46] <M4dH4TT3r> firefox or update or anything network related
[22:46] <M4dH4TT3r> i already fixed it it was the network
[22:46] <AlanBell> and was that in a popup dialog window?
[22:47] <AlanBell> "cannot find sandbox server = network error?" was that the full text of the error or was "cannot find sandbox server" the error and the "= network error?" bit your question?
[22:48] <M4dH4TT3r> no none of the updates would finish from terminal or package manager it would give that error while trying and firefox would open a window that said that
[22:48] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[22:50] <AlanBell> do you have a proxy server called sandbox?
[22:51] <AlanBell> are you running in English, or translating these error messages from some other language?
[22:53] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[22:53] <M4dH4TT3r> english
[22:53] <M4dH4TT3r> sorry bout that sandwich had my name on it
[22:55] <M4dH4TT3r> i had never seen that error before myself thats y i was in there asking
[22:55] <AlanBell> I doubt anyone else had ever seen it either
[22:56] <M4dH4TT3r> and it was a clean install of ubuntu so it was very unusual you know what it was exactly?
[22:57] <M4dH4TT3r> 11.10
[22:57] <elky> Perhaps you should ask on askubuntu.com
[22:57]  * mneptok reminds everyone that this is not a support channel
[22:57] <M4dH4TT3r> i dont do forums
[22:57] <AlanBell> very strange stuff
[22:58] <AlanBell> anyhow, what I wanted to show you was what a support conversation looks like
[22:58] <M4dH4TT3r> my attention span doesnt shoot as far as forums
[22:58] <AlanBell> what you were doing in #ubuntu was repeating incomprehensible garbage
[22:58] <M4dH4TT3r> and no one even acknowledged my existance thus the repitition
[22:58] <AlanBell> if you are feeling ignored and want to say something in addition to your original question then take some time to describe the situation
[22:59] <AlanBell> add more value, don't repeat yourself
[22:59] <AlanBell> nobody had anything to say to your original statement
[22:59]  * M4dH4TT3r actually hates repeating himself but cannot account for what he says on a mommentary basis
[23:00] <mneptok> M4dH4TT3r: if you cannot make such an accounting, official Ubuntu IRC channels are not for you.
[23:00] <M4dH4TT3r> :P back at you
[23:01] <AlanBell> the #ubuntu support channel is for constructive support conversations
[23:01] <M4dH4TT3r> thanks for your support Alanbell
[23:01] <AlanBell> what I want to do here is establish that you can have such a conversation
[23:01] <AlanBell> if you can't then there is little point letting you back into the channel
[23:02] <M4dH4TT3r> yes but i dont take well to snide comments or bikeshedding
[23:02] <mneptok> M4dH4TT3r: my comment was not snide. it is 100% earnest. official channels have guidelines. if you cannot control what you say, there's no way for you to reasonably assure anyone that you will follow guidelines.
[23:03] <M4dH4TT3r> i think bikeshedding is a good reason to be banned :D
[23:03] <mneptok> M4dH4TT3r: the forums suggestion is a good one. there's less immediacy and you may well be better able to edit yourself.
[23:05] <M4dH4TT3r> mneptok your comment was snide and didnt alanbell just say repitition is uncalled for (especially when youve been anwsered)
[23:05] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah i dont take a year to fix things
[23:06] <M4dH4TT3r> i take 30sec-340mins
[23:06] <M4dH4TT3r> depending on the job
[23:06] <M4dH4TT3r> forums are crap
[23:08] <M4dH4TT3r> i wouldnt edit what i say if i had the choice as fake people suck
[23:08] <AlanBell> ok, I don't think you are going to get much value from our support channel, I suspect askubuntu.com or other places are going to suit you better, thanks for your time, but I don't think this is going anywhere useful
[23:08] <elky> In that case, #ubuntu is *not* an option for you.
[23:10] <M4dH4TT3r> nm this doing things the right way takes forever and like i said i dont have a year to commit to getting a ban removed ill just evade it its really much faster
[23:10]  * M4dH4TT3r still hates fake people
[23:10] <AlanBell> M4dH4TT3r: you know that will get you chucked off freenode altogether right?
[23:11] <mneptok> dum dee dee
[23:14] <M4dH4TT3r> i just wanted to say - thanks again for your support alanbell and :p to elky for being and condoning fake people
[23:16] <AlanBell> oh, I was expecting a return as M4RCH_H4R3 or something
[23:19] <elky> that was more ch3sh1r3_ca7


[01:59] <jderp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-xenial/+bug/1645187
[01:59] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1645187 in linux-lts-xenial (Ubuntu) "4.4.0-47-generic dm_snapshot random deadlock" [Undecided,New]
[01:59] <jderp> can reproduce that regression
[08:57] <smb> jderp, That's bad but thanks for the report and the pointers. Sounds related but also like not yet finally decided which way to go. The patchwork patch might be preferred but also might not work. And the intrusive one appears to help in that case but is feared to cause other issues...
[16:07] <hallyn> rtg: apw: i don't see any yakkety or z kernel packages for xenial.  are those coming soon?
[16:08] <hallyn> (i ask bc dobey pointed out the font problem i'm having may be an intel driver issue whcih some have claimed goes away in yakkety)
[16:09] <rtg> hallyn, ogasawara sent an email out on ubuntu-announce about HWE rolling kernels just yesterday. That might be what you want.
[16:09] <hallyn> awesome thx
[16:10] <rtg> hallyn, no Z kernel in Xenial until I figure out the MODVERSIONS mess from upstream
[16:10] <hallyn> ugh
[16:11] <hallyn> oh, is that related to the failure to build yakkety kernel locallocallyyocally?
[16:12] <hallyn> maybe i should just run precise :)
[16:12] <rtg> hallyn, nope, thats a different problem. I think your bug is related to someone goofing the ABI files. Maybe you should have another look at it now that Yakkety has updated a time or two
[16:12] <hallyn> yeah, i should.  i'll try to do that this week.
[16:13] <hallyn> sigh, can't run yakkety bc systemd;  xenial has font problem;  don't really wanna roll my own distro, maybe i can get people intersted in helping with a flavor
[16:13] <hallyn> is the z kernel pretty stable?
[16:13] <rtg> hallyn, is there any distro still on upstart ?
[16:14] <rtg> hallyn, Z is passing most tests, but won't boot i386 'cause MODVERSIONS issues
[16:14] <hallyn> well i'm running xenial with upstart, it works fine (better than with systemd, power-savings-wise)
[16:15] <rtg> hallyn, v4.9-rc7 is in Zesty -proposed
[16:15] <hallyn> if i rolled my own, then since libnih is now officially dead i'd probably just use sinit or something :)  but maybe systemd in z is better than in x, and i should just take the plunge
[16:15] <hallyn> ok - well i'll revisit the yakkety build bug in a bit - thanks rtg
[16:16] <rtg> hallyn, np, for as much help as I was :)


[07:55]  * abogani waves!
[08:07] <smb> morning
[08:08] <jj-afk> morning
[08:30]  * apw yawns
[08:30]  * smb wonders whether he should give apw virtual coffee. :)
[08:31]  * apw looks blearily at his real tea
[08:31] <RAOF> See, there's your problem.
[08:31] <jk-> RAOF: lol
[08:31] <RAOF> Tea is very sensitive; looking blearily at it can only result in tears!
[08:40] <apw> the trade off is the risk of dropping the tea in my lap due to tiredness induced incompetance against the restorative effects of the contents ...
[08:41] <smb> At least you would be awake then
[08:41] <RAOF> Dropping tea in your lap would certainly provide a temporary buff to attentiveness.
[08:41] <jk-> apw: on the other hand, that would wake you up
[08:41] <jk-> snap * 2
[08:41] <smb> three minds one thought
[08:41] <apw> thats not the kind of awake i approve of
[08:42] <jk-> it's the kind of slapstick we approve of, though
[08:42] <RAOF> You haven't been fitted with the special Canonical underwear I take it then?
[08:45] <smb> Actually, wasn't that fortified on the opposite side only? :-P
[09:02] <apw> heheh
[09:43] <JFo> apw, should I be showing you guys any kino bugs or do we care about those?
[09:43] <apw> kino ?
[09:44] <JFo> yeah...
[09:44] <JFo> one sec.
[09:44] <JFo> bug 6290
[09:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 6290 in baltix (and 1 other project) "DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) (affects: 41) (dups: 10) (heat: 306)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6290
[09:45] <JFo> doubt it has to do with us but there was a legacy team group subscribed to the bug
[09:45] <JFo> I've unsubscribed it
[09:45] <JFo> but I have no clue what kino is
[09:46] <apw> JFo, i would guess its a codename ... but given the age of that bug we are not interested anyhow, its like dapper time isn't it ?
[09:46] <JFo> yeah, I think they need to open a new bug
[09:46] <apw> oh its an app, but the age is the key here i ithink
[09:46] <JFo> k
[09:47] <apw> if they are reporting on that one ... i'd get a fresh one opened
[09:47] <JFo> will read through it then and decide what is needed
[09:47] <JFo> cool
[09:47] <ogra> it the typical DV capture tool
[09:47] <JFo> thanks :)
[09:47] <ogra> and is the one app that always exposed the brokeness of the FW stack
[09:48] <ogra> JFo, given that there are recent comments from users that it is fixed for them, i'd set it to fix released no matter how old it is
[09:49] <JFo> k, that was what I was thinking too
[09:50] <apw> JFo, i think that bug can just be left alone
[09:50] <apw> its mostly (in this year timeframe) about switching to the new firewire stack and that being a good thing
[09:50] <JFo> apw, ok
[09:50] <JFo> yeah saw that
[09:50] <apw> as we have done that in maverick i suspect it is fixed in maverick from the user perspective, but not 100% sure how to be sure
[09:50] <JFo> just not sure who is responsible for kino
[09:50] <apw> as if it was we could close it there
[09:51] <apw> JFo, as it seems to be an app, not us :)
[09:51] <JFo> heh
[09:51] <JFo> my thoughts exactly
[09:51] <ogra> apw, its a kernel prob
[09:51] <JFo> it was the reason I had no issue removing that group subscribe
[09:52] <apw> ogra, if its a kernel problem then it should be filed against the kernel
[09:52] <apw> ogra, can you elucidate on the problem? as noone in the bug seems to be helping me
[09:52] <ogra> apw, and if the new firewire stack fixes it i'D close it, else it stays open forever
[09:52] <ogra> apw, its the permissins of the firewire device
[09:52] <ogra> *permissions
[09:53] <ogra> which i thought the new firewire stack fixes
[09:53] <apw> as in the the unix permissions or something deeper
[09:53] <ogra> unix permissions and something deeper :)
[09:53] <apw> so it might be worth asking for testing on maverick as the stacks are switched
[09:53] <ogra> the permissins are only set that way because its the only safe way
[09:54] <ogra> (by design)
[09:54] <apw> and if its a kernel problem it should have a kernel task so we can close that Fix Released on Maverick, and Won't Fix (you have a workaround) on Lucid
[09:55] <ogra> i would ask the last three commenters if they use maverick
[09:55] <ogra> and if so, close it
[10:09] <apw> JFo, ok read the whole bug and it does seem to be a case of, old kernel stack has no sane permissions model, new stack does.  old stack therefore is prevents access without being root, new should not
[10:09] <apw> therefore .... will add linux tasks for lucid and maverick and close this in maverick kernel side
[10:10] <JFo> ok
[10:10] <JFo> sounds god to me
[10:10] <JFo> good*
[10:10] <apw> and actually in lucid too, as we are not going to change the default there
[10:10] <JFo> right
[10:10] <JFo> since the new stack is Mav only yes?
[10:10] <apw> will close that won't fix, but wth the appropriate comments about the workaround to switch the stack
[10:11] <diwic> Out of curiousity, I run Lucid on one machine here but with the Maverick backport kernel, am I running 1) the old FW stack 2) the new FW stack 3) some weird combination
[10:12] <JFo> diwic, the maverick backport kernel is not supported on desktpo ;)
[10:12] <JFo> heh
[10:12] <JFo> desktop*
[10:12] <JFo> what is with my spelling to day?
[10:12] <diwic> JFo, it does exist in the generic flavour though
[10:12] <JFo> exist yes....:)
[10:13] <diwic> JFo, and so far it has been working better than the Lucid one, graphics-wise
[10:13]  * JFo picks on diwic
[10:47] <jk-> hey JFo
[10:48] <JFo> heya jk-
[10:50] <jk-> JFo: saw your update on 584812; just waiting for feedback from Jerone..
[10:51]  * JFo goes to look
[10:51] <JFo> ah yeah
[10:51] <JFo> wanted to get the guys to take a look at it too during the weekly chat
[10:52] <JFo> would you rather I wait on that jk- ?
[10:52] <jk-> apw knows about it, once it's been tested I'll forward the config change to k-t for review
[10:52] <JFo> since I see that you have a test build that may take care of it
[10:52] <JFo> coolness
[10:52] <JFo> may just want to put on the hot list
[10:52] <JFo> good deal :)
[10:56] <apw> bug #584812
[10:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584812 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "uinput kernel module is not loaded automatically (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584812
[10:57]  * apw has seen that yes
[11:00] <JFo> :)
[15:03]  * smb needs to run some errands. bb later
[15:24] <bjf> ##
[15:24] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:24] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[15:24] <bjf> ##
[15:52] <pgraner> tgardner, lag: call in 10...
[15:52] <lag> pgraner: ack
[15:52] <lag> pgraner: Mumble?
[15:52] <pgraner> lag, yep
[15:53] <JFo> pgraner, I completely forgot to schedule myself
[15:53] <pgraner> JFo, dooh!
[15:53] <JFo> heh
[15:53] <tgardner> pgraner, ack
[15:54] <pgraner> JFo, we can do it next week when your back
[15:54] <JFo> k
[16:24] <JFo> apw, you still around?
[16:24] <apw> yep
[16:30] <JFo> smb are you around?
[16:32] <JFo> in the event that you are. would you have a look at bug 546091
[16:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 546091 in linux (Ubuntu) "10.04 Installer doesn't properly detect 9240 MegaRaid SAS Controlers (affects: 8) (heat: 72)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546091
[16:33] <JFo> think that could be caused by an old driver?
[16:37] <smb> JFo, Now yes
[16:40] <JFo> heh
[16:40] <ogasawara> JFo: around for much longer today?
[16:41] <JFo> a bit yes :)
[16:41] <JFo> want me to try to attend the meeting?
[16:41] <ogasawara> JFo: nah, was hoping you could spam a small set of bugs for me
[16:41] <JFo> I may be able to indeed :)
[16:41] <ogasawara> JFo: which would then clear off one of your work items... "post CFT to lp bugs using an ubuntu/ driver"
[16:41] <ogasawara> JFo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.searchtext=rtl8192se
[16:42] <JFo> interesting
[16:42] <JFo> I don't remember that one
[16:42] <JFo> but I'd be happy to
[16:42] <ogasawara> JFo: In the most recent Maverick kernel I uploaded yesterday (linux-2.6.35-16.22) I'd updated rtl8192se
[16:42]  * JFo worries he  missed subscribing to the BP
[16:43] <JFo> ogasawara, cool
[16:43] <ogasawara> JFo: so if you could just spam those bugs asking if they could test with the latest 26.35-16.22 kernel that'd be awesome
[16:43] <JFo> will do
[16:43] <JFo> what BP is that item in?
[16:43] <JFo> misc?
[16:44] <ogasawara> JFo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review
[16:44] <JFo> yep, I missed subscribing to that one
[16:44] <JFo> fixed now
[16:44] <JFo> thank you :)
[16:45] <ogasawara> JFo: that last bug in that last might not be relevant, so you could maybe skip that one
[16:45] <JFo> k
[16:49] <smb> JFo, scanning through that bug sounds like they would need a completely updated driver, yes. I would say its would be a candidate for lbm but they need that for installation. tgardner, pgraner anyone of you got hw that uses the megaraid_sas driver?
[16:49] <tgardner> smb, not me
[16:50] <tgardner> smb, is this a regression, or just a new version of the card ?
[16:50] <smb> tgardner, I would say a new version
[16:50] <smb> yep
[16:50] <smb> Three newer cards
[16:51] <JFo> sm, thanks for looking
[16:51] <tgardner> smb, I wonder if "we" are smart enough to build an ISO with the LTS backported kernel on it for testing. bjf?
[16:52]  * smb really feels like sm today :)
[16:52] <bjf> tgardner: "we" should be able to do that, yes
[16:52] <tgardner> bjf, how is the alternate kernel selected? do you just replace the Lucid kernel?
[16:52] <bjf> tgardner: yes
[16:53] <bjf> tgardner: desktop is what i've been doing, not sure about server
[16:53] <tgardner> bjf, smb: maybe we should get them to try the Maverick daily first in order to make sire its going to be a solution
[16:53] <tgardner> sure*
[16:53] <smb> tgardner, There is a comment about Maverick a2 or 3 working
[16:54] <tgardner> smb, ok. then they are going to have to wait until we have a Lucid point release with the Maverick kernel as an option
[16:55]  * tgardner goes to snatch some breakfast
[16:55] <smb> Yeah, someone mentioned 9.10 drivers from the vendor. Have not followed that but could be an option too if they have something newer
[16:57] <smb> hm probably not. looks a bit hackish
[16:58] <tgardner> smb, it also won't solve their install problem, will it?
[16:59] <JFo> ogasawara, spam complete
[16:59] <JFo> smb :)
[16:59] <ogasawara> JFo: awesome, thanks.  I'll mark it off the blueprint.
[16:59] <JFo> k, thank you :)
[16:59] <smb> tgardner, Only very sort of. Basically I think thy provide initrd and kernel plus modules for KArmic
[17:01] <ogasawara> ##
[17:01] <ogasawara> ## Kernel team meeting in one hour in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:01] <ogasawara> ##
[17:03] <smb> tgardner, The difference between maverick and lucid is just a mere 1100 lines. If we get the right person the right hw we can sru it by rule #5 :-P
[17:09] <pgraner> smb, I don't have any hw for that
[17:10] <smb> pgraner, ack, yeah its probably rather high end server stuff
[17:11] <pgraner> smb, yea I'm more low rent lol
[17:11] <smb> heh
[17:12] <apw> smb, i wonder if they could make a USB stick with the updated kernel
[17:13] <smb> apw, Well if the installation offers the maverick lts backport they should be fine
[17:13] <apw> well ... no as they can't see the disk to install it ... right ?
[17:13] <smb> Right, would require that kernel to be there for install... :/
[17:14] <tgardner> apw, thats an interesting point
[17:14] <apw> they'd need an image with that kernel actually on it, as a boot option
[17:14] <tgardner> we'll have to ask cjwatson if thats an option on the alternate installer
[17:15] <apw> might be on the DVD images for instance
[17:16] <ogasawara> cnd: you've got a generic work item to "Work with Rafi and Stephane to import any post 2.6.35 multitouch driver code" is that still ongoing or can I mark it done?
[17:21] <smb> apw, The only other solution would be some sort of override mechanism to pull in certain lbm packages from the cd or dvd. But I guess thats even more not implemented
[17:22] <apw> presumably they could make a USB stick on another machine, and chroot into it, and install the updated kernel
[17:22] <apw> so perhaps its a 'write a proceedure for it' problem ?
[17:24] <apw> smb ^^
[17:25] <smb> apw, Hm its probably the same or similar to making some of our test cds.
[17:32] <JFo> odd that the alternate CD worked but not the regular
[17:32] <JFo> well, it may not be that odd
[17:32] <JFo> hmm
[17:32] <jjohansen> ogasawara: I've updated my work items let me know if I missed anything
[17:33] <ogasawara> jjohansen: will do, thanks
[17:55] <ogasawara> ##
[17:55] <ogasawara> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:55] <ogasawara> ##
[18:01] <cnd> ogasawara, you can mark it done
[18:01] <ogasawara> cnd: yep, thanks
[18:01] <cnd> that work item became utouch :)
[18:01] <cnd> its spawned way too many other work items...
[19:30]  * tgardner lunches
[20:14]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:15]  * smb -> out
[20:59] <bjf> ogasawara: thanks for handling the meeting, 15 minutes, nice!
[21:00] <ogasawara> bjf: np, was short and sweet today.
[21:00] <ogasawara> bjf: I sent you the mootbot bits, not sure if you really needed it or not
[21:00] <bjf> ogasawara: thanks, don't use them but thanks anyways
[21:22]  * ogasawara lunch
[23:11] <jj-afk> back on in a bit