[02:49] <mup> PR operator#1065 opened: docs: fix Harness.get_filesystem_root example <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1065>
[22:31] <mup> PR operator#1060 closed: fix: if secret ID and label are known, only provide secret-get with ID <bug> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Closed by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1060>
[22:32] <mup> Issue operator#1058 closed: [secret API] secret_get should choose one of label/URI <bug> <small item> <Created by phvalguima> <Closed by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/1058>
[22:43] <mup> Issue operator#1063 closed: Misleading docstring for `get_filesystem_root` <Created by sed-i> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/1063>
[22:43] <mup> PR operator#1065 closed: docs: fix Harness.get_filesystem_root example <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1065>
[22:55] <mup> Issue operator#1051 closed: .unit-state.db is world-readable <bug> <small item> <Created by nobuto-m> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/1051>
[22:55] <mup> PR operator#1057 closed: fix: reduce mode of SQLite storage file to 0o600 <bug> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1057>


[08:37] <BARLT> ciao
[08:37] <BARLT> !list
[08:44] <jodh> Hi - I'd like to request an Ubuntu member IRC cloak. My lp page is: https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt
[08:50] <AlanBell> hi jodh
[08:50] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/jodh cloak for jodh please
[09:20] <Myrtti> one moment
[09:23] <Myrtti> jodh: congrats and yw
[09:23] <jodh> AlanBell, Myrtti: Thanks very much!
[09:23] <Myrtti> AlanBell: ta-dah
[09:24] <Unit193> Congrats, jodh.
[09:25] <AlanBell> yay, thanks Myrtti
[09:26] <jodh> Unit193: thanks
[09:43] <Tm_T> welcome aboard, jodh
[21:50] <adam_g> hiya. i'd like to request an Ubuntu IRC cloak for this nickname and LP profile @ https://launchpad.net/~gandelman-a
[21:51] <IdleOne> AlanBell funkyHat topyli Pici Tm_T! Wake up, time to work!
[21:51] <IdleOne> adam_g: Congrats, sit tight someone will get to it soon
[22:00] <AlanBell> hi adam_g
[22:00] <Fuchs> hi Santa
[22:01] <AlanBell>  /o\
[22:01] <AlanBell> hi Fuchs
[22:01] <Fuchs> tsk, okay, then I won't do any work ;(
[22:01] <Fuchs> hi :)
[22:02] <AlanBell> so, can we have an ubuntu/member/adam_g cloak please :)
[22:02] <Fuchs> I am afraid you can't,
[22:02] <Fuchs> but I can offer an adam-g  or anything else that doesn't have _
[22:02] <AlanBell> that sounds like a good suggestion
[22:03] <Fuchs> adam_g: would you be fine with that?
[22:03] <adam_g> Fuchs: how about gandelman-a, like my LP acct?
[22:03] <Fuchs> if AlanBell is fine with that: sure
[22:03] <AlanBell> yeah, fine with that
[22:04] <Fuchs> adam_g: you are now cloaked, congratulations
[22:04] <Fuchs> AlanBell: done <3
[22:04] <adam_g> thanks :)
[22:04] <AlanBell> as long as we can reasonably get from IRC to Launchpad and back it is fine :)
[22:04] <AlanBell> thanks Fuchs!
[22:04] <Fuchs> you're welcome, have a nice evening
[22:04] <AlanBell> Fuchs: were you taking photos?
[22:04] <Fuchs> AlanBell: query?
[22:05] <AlanBell> of course :)


[01:12] <zul> mmm...beer..
[01:19] <BenC> Mithrandir: Between the first and last yes
[01:19] <Mithrandir> goodie
[04:18] <poningru> guys writing the herd 3 release notes
[04:18] <poningru> any suggestion I can put under kernel?
[04:23] <poningru> so no one??
[04:24] <crimsun> try the changelog.
[04:24] <poningru> looking at it
[04:24] <poningru> seems just like bug fixes
[04:25] <poningru> nothing big that can be 'featured'
[04:25] <crimsun> "just" is an understatement.
[04:25] <poningru> oh ofcourse
[04:25] <poningru> keep in mind marketing speak
[04:25] <poningru> ;)
[04:27] <BenC> poningru: paravirt + vmware VMI ops, but it may be premature since there's a small chance that it might not make it in release
[04:31] <poningru> meh I'll put it in there
[04:31] <poningru> wait its not already in there?
[04:32] <BenC> it's in there for Herd 3
[04:32] <poningru> oh so it might get taken away? doesnt matter as long as its in there for herd 3
[04:32] <BenC> but mark it in testing phase
[04:32] <poningru> kk
[04:32] <poningru> thanks :)
[04:32] <BenC> we're still investigating the performance inpact on bare metal systems
[04:32] <BenC> impact
[01:21] <kylem> morning folks.
[02:07] <BenC> morning kyle
[02:09] <kylem> s'up?
[02:13] <BenC> not much
[02:26] <BenC> mjg59: pinger
[02:37] <zul> hey
[03:09] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[03:10] <BenC> mjg59: Hey, rt2x00 drivers don't build with the dscape you sent me
[03:10] <BenC> everything else seems to work fine
[03:10] <BenC> I tried the stock rt2x00 and the one you sent with d80211
[03:10] <BenC> it's like it's expecting a whole different API
[03:13] <mjg59> Hm. I hit workqueue issues, but I thought they looked ok otherwise
[03:13] <mjg59> But that patch is pretty ancient now...
[03:20] <kylem> mjg59, i thought we had rt2x00 building before?
[03:20] <mjg59> I didn't think so for dscape
[03:20] <mjg59> Everything else, yeah
[03:26] <BenC> everything else compiles fine, and I removed the old stuff, and disabled stock bcm43xx
[03:26] <BenC> mjg59: So what do people need to do to get v4 firmware?
[03:26] <BenC> obviously it isn't out in the wild as much because softmac can't use v4
[03:27] <mjg59> Run fwcutter on a v4 image
[03:27] <mjg59> There's some listed in fwcutter's readme
[03:27] <mjg59> We probably want to hack fwcutter to postfix the v4 name and add a default fwpostfix argument to the dscape bcm43xx driver
[03:28] <mjg59> In order to support co-installation
[03:37] <cjwatson> is there any v4 firmware on the web anywhere, like the older linksys firmware?
[03:37] <mjg59> Yes
[03:37] <mjg59> See the fwcutter readme
[03:51] <BenC> mjg59: I'm not so sure I want to bother with multiple drivers for the same hardware
[03:52] <BenC> I either want to switch to the d80211 or stick with stock
[03:52] <BenC> at least for bcm43xx
[03:54] <BenC> Mithrandir: I fixed the kexec-tools build failure on ppc if you wouldn't mind allowing ubuntu2 through for universe
[03:55] <mjg59> BenC: It would be good to get these things tested, but I'm really not in a position to make the call
[03:55] <BenC> mjg59: I've got testers for the new driver
[03:55] <BenC> there were like 4 people in oslo ready to kill me because of how crappy bcm43xx is :)
[03:55] <mjg59> By testing I mean at a distro-user sort of level :)
[03:56] <mjg59> Right
[03:56] <BenC> right, but I assume that if a user already has setup bcm43xx once, they will know how to do it again
[03:56] <mjg59> Once we've got some idea of how good it is in wireless-dev, we probably want to look at pulling Michael Busch's tree
[03:56] <kylem> security is uploaded.
[03:57] <BenC> mjg59: The way I have it setup now, I can enable/disable it on demand from .config's so it is at least in our tree
[03:57] <mjg59> BenC: Yeah
[03:58] <mjg59> Oh my.
[03:59] <mjg59> USB bcm43xx is apparently pretty much RNDIS
[03:59] <mjg59> So. Much. Crack.
[03:59] <Mithrandir> BenC: sure, I'll do
[04:06] <BenC> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:16] <BenC> kylem: Stone cold rejected!
[04:16] <kylem> lol.
[04:17] <kylem> wrong alias.
[04:17] <BenC> at least it isn't just me that does that :)
[04:18] <kylem> it would be nice if we only had to upload to one place to hit all 3.
[04:20] <BenC> this sucks...I setup acpi scripts to disable my second core, and force my first to 1GHz when I'm on battery and I still only get an hour of battery
[04:21] <Lure> BenC: how old is battery (mine gets at that level after 8-9 months)
[04:21] <BenC> it's just a few months old...been that way since I bought it
[04:22] <BenC> I should install winxp and see if it's the same
[04:22] <kylem> pfft. old hat.
[04:22] <kylem> you want vista now.
[04:22] <kylem> ;-)
[04:22] <BenC> hehe
[04:22] <Lure> kylem: vista ultimate signature edition to be precise ;-)
[04:23] <kylem> heh
[04:24] <Lure> BenC: -6 kernel includes new serio we were talking recently?
[04:24] <mjg59> BenC: How are you disabling the second core?
[04:24] <mjg59> There should be pretty much no power benefit to doing so
[04:24] <Nafallo> thanks etc :-)
[04:24] <zul> kylem: meh...windows 3.1 is better its shiney
[04:24] <BenC> mjg59: echo 0 > /sys/.../cpu1/enable
[04:25] <BenC> Lure: Should
[04:25] <zul> mmmm....shiney..
[04:25] <mjg59> BenC: Hm. I have a feeling that that may do little other than just prevent tasks being scheduled on it
[04:25] <Lure> BenC: ok, then it does not help for HP problems
[04:26] <BenC> Lure: Check changelog to make sure
[04:26] <BenC> mjg59: Would be nice if it physically disabled and powered down the CPU :/
[04:26] <Lure> BenC: will now build custom kernel with patch from kernel bug 7689
[04:26] <mjg59> BenC: Don't think that's possible on any existing hardware
[04:26] <kylem> BenC, easy way to check... is there still interrupts occuring on cpu1?
[04:27] <BenC> guess I'll have to disable it in the bios when I travel to get any decent battery life
[04:27] <BenC> kylem: /proc/interrupts doesn't even show the second one after I disable it
[04:27] <kylem> huh.
[04:27] <BenC> and it shows migration of tasks/interrupts to the first cpu when I do
[04:28] <BenC> so the second cpu is atleast not doing anything
[04:28] <kylem> it's probably just ready for hot-unplug then.
[04:28] <BenC> but I guess it's still drawning power
[04:29] <BenC> stupid xchat
[04:30] <mjg59> BenC: As I said, as far as I know even disabling it in the bios won't have any significant effect on power saving
[04:30] <BenC> mjg59: Only getting an hour of battery totally sucks then
[04:30] <mjg59> Well, yes
[04:30] <BenC> If this is hardware design, then I'm never buying an HP again :/
[04:31] <mjg59> What model is it?
[04:31] <BenC> I would rather it be a linux kernel bug
[04:31] <BenC> dv5000
[04:31] <maks_> x41 doesn't do much more battery life..
[04:31] <BenC> coreduo
[04:31] <mjg59> It's consumer, so it's always likely to be worse than business-class
[04:31] <mjg59> But yes, Linux is poor at PM
[04:31] <BenC> is it just a shit battery?
[04:32] <mjg59> What does /proc/acpi/battery/state say when on battery?
[04:32] <BenC> I willing to fork cash for a higher rated battery if it will help
[04:32] <BenC> present:                 yes
[04:32] <BenC> capacity state:          ok
[04:32] <BenC> charging state:          discharging
[04:32] <BenC> present rate:            0 mA
[04:32] <BenC> remaining capacity:      4356 mAh
[04:32] <BenC> present voltage:         14800 mV
[04:32] <BenC> the thing that gets me is that rate is never shown
[04:32] <BenC> but I tested the lifetime at idle by wall-clock to see how long it lasted
[04:33] <BenC> dead idle, no screen blank, 1 hour
[04:33] <mjg59> And it lasts an hour?
[04:34] <BenC> wonder if I can fix the rate state with a BIOS update
[04:34] <mjg59> That implies it's drawing 60 watts
[04:35] <BenC> I watched cpu state too, and it shows them both at 1GHz (1.6GHz is max)
[04:35] <BenC> I wish it would drop lower, to maybe like 800MHz or so
[04:36] <mjg59> 1GHz is probably the lowest it goes
[04:36] <BenC> it is
[04:36] <mjg59> You're into rapidly diminishing returns after that
[04:36] <BenC> 3 levels, 1, 1.3 and 1.6
[04:36] <mjg59> If the processor is idle, it makes no real difference what clock speed it's at
[04:36] <mjg59> Most of the chip will be switched off anyway
[04:36] <BenC> right
[04:37] <BenC> if I do a make -j3, battery life turns into quick death :)
[04:37] <BenC> I'd be lucky to get 20 minutes out of it
[04:37] <mjg59> So there's no point in dropping the frequency further unless you can drop the voltage further
[04:38] <mjg59> And my suspicion is that dropping the voltage further is impractical for some reason, so they might as well nail it at 1GHz
[04:45] <BenC> guessing I just need a better battery
[04:46] <mjg59> BenC: Given that power draw? I gotta install a windows program that checks my bios and downloads a newer version if I need it
[04:58] <BenC> zul: nice job on the 2.6.19 xen
[05:00] <zul> BenC: thanks
[05:01] <zul> ill upload the xen-meta tonight so it will be easier to install
[05:03] <BenC> zul: Any chance of it getting into feisty with 2.6.20?
[05:04] <zul> i could try but dont count on it
[05:04] <zul> its not very trivial ;)
[05:23] <kylem> BenC, any idea if we have a "sun galaxy x4100/x4200" anywhere in the company?
[05:24] <BenC> I think montreal has those boxes
[05:24] <kylem> k.
[05:24] <BenC> if not, then data center has them
[05:24] <kylem> BenC, btw, i'll be a little late starting tomorrow, i'm heading into mtl to pick up some stuff tomorrow.
[05:24] <BenC> I know we have some somewhere :)
[05:24] <BenC> cool
[05:25] <JanC> hm, my "cheap" MSI-based (Centrino) Core Duo does > 2h on battery...
[05:26] <kylem> my macbook core2 lasts 6 hours...
[05:26] <kylem> ... running macos... :)
[05:26] <BenC> I got spoiled with 3.5hours on my powerbook
[05:26] <JanC> kylem: I guess that's with a better battery...  :)
[05:26] <kylem> my x30 lasted for ~4 hours on its 4 cell...
[05:26] <maks_> my x41 lasts one hour .. :P
[05:27] <kylem> maks_, ouch dude.
[05:27] <kylem> heya phillip!
[05:28] <plougher> hi
[05:28] <JanC> BenC: disabling the second core might actually be counter-productive, if it doesn't power-down...  :)
[05:42] <zul> right lunch time...bbl
[07:00] <zul> *grumble*
[07:00] <kylem> ?
[07:01] <zul> ExceedOnDemand is just so much fun
[07:04] <cjb> zul: Hi, got a sec?  On edgy, booting domU Ubuntu guests works fine, but as soon as I change the kernel= line to point to a Fedora kernel instead, I get an "Error 22".  Any ideas?
[07:04] <cjb> Something like "Upgrade to feisty" or "Downgrade to dapper" or "You have to build Xen from their dist" is all good, if that's the answer.
[07:05] <zul> try feisty but I dont know where the Error 22 is coming from, need more info
[07:05] <BenC> HL is unable to deliver to the address supplied to us for your manual order.  Please either forward a correct physical address via reply to this email.  Please supply this information within 48 hours or we will direct DHL to destroy the shipment.
[07:05] <BenC> I hate DHL
[07:06] <kylem> "destroy the shipment" wtf.
[07:06] <cjb> zul: Thanks.  What kind of more info is good?  The log says "failed to balloon" and not much else.
[07:06] <cjb> (But I can certainly get it online.)
[07:06] <zul> cjb: which kernel which arch
[07:06] <BenC> cjb: Sounds like you are trying to boot a non-domU kernel, which wont work
[07:06] <BenC> kylem: No doubt...what a waste
[07:07] <BenC> DHL sucks in my area...they can never deliver here, unlike UPS or Fedex
[07:07] <kylem> ouch.
[07:07] <zul> BenC: ask them how are they going to destroy the shipment :)
[07:07] <cjb> BenC: Hm, so, I had this VM running inside an FC5 machine, and the kernel is the same that it uses, which I presumed was a domU.
[07:07] <cjb> Fedora's /usr/bin/pygrub stuff confuses me.
[07:07] <BenC> last time I got a DHL shipment, the guy brought it in a cadillac because he didn't want t waste the gas with the delivery truck
[07:08] <cjb> BenC: DHL held up our first OLPC prototype laptop in Alaska so the FDA could clear it.  ;-)
[07:08] <BenC> FDA!?
[07:08] <cjb> that's what we said.  :)
[07:08] <kylem> uh. isn't alaska in the us? :)
[07:08] <cjb> yeah, it's a customs point for DHL.
[07:09] <kylem> weird.
[07:09] <zul> kylem: its a freak state like hawaii
[07:12] <BenC> Alaska is a US state!?!
[07:12] <BenC> pshaw
[07:12] <kylem> it would really fit in better as part of the yukon.
[07:12] <zul> one of those freak ones...like peurto rico
[07:12] <BenC> I feel bad for puerto rico, they can't even vote
[07:13] <mjg59> The Russians must be kicking themselves for selling it
[07:14] <BenC> I know, right. Countries only appreciate over time...lose money selling it at current rates
[07:14] <zul> like the french with the louisana purchase?
[07:14] <kylem> mjg59, i think they kicked themselves hardest during the cold war.
[07:15] <kylem> mjg59, would have needed smaller missiles if they still had it. 8)
[07:15] <zul> kylem: the yukon would be more milatarilistic then..
[08:14] <pina> hi did ubuntu for server need array conf, for proliant ML 370 ??, configuragion array to raid for scsi
[08:20] <kylem> blink.
[08:41] <zul> hmmm...alcatel just layed off 400 people
[10:01] <cjb> ah -- I see "ERROR: Unrecognized image format" in the xend-debug log.
[10:01] <cjb> the kernel I'm using is "vmlinuz-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5xenU".  Any ideas?
[10:37] <TheMuso> p/c
[10:53] <kylem> BenC, have you been keeping lrm in git?
[10:53] <BenC> no
[10:53] <kylem> hmm. possibly we could do that and put it in /srv/.../private?
[10:53] <BenC> maybe the debian part
[10:53] <BenC> the .orig.tar.gz doesn't make sense there
[10:54] <BenC> debian/* I mean
[10:54] <Nafallo> bzr <3 :-)
[10:55] <Nafallo> :-P
[12:13] <cjb> hmph:  "at least one of the specified interfaces does not exist!" in the xen-hotplug.log.


[12:23] <billsey_> Hey, guys, I've been trying to upgrade from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS, but everytime I try I run into login problems and have to fall back to 12.04 LTS. This time it appeared to login, but no desktop ever comes up. It just keeps that default graphic up with no interface. I have not been able to find any solutions to allow me to use 14.04 LTS, even though I really do want to use it. Help?
[12:43] <buford> Hi, My clean install of Ubuntu Studio 15.04 automatically did create a swap disk, However, it created a swap disk with size = 7.63 GiB -- askubuntu online docs say that the Lenovo Y series are the only laptops with a bug (I am using Lenovo Y50-70 laptop) where Ubuntu Studio 15.04 freezes upon waking from suspend mode.  I'm no expert but my theory is simple:  Ubuntu Studio 15.04 installer should hace created a SWAP partition size = or greater than my
[12:43] <buford>  laptop installed RAM and that = 8 GiB -- in my theory the bug fix might be that simple -- I ask YOU,  do you have a better solution?  I may be unable to resize SWAP because its stuck in my disk partition table between END of Windows8_OS partition and BEGINNING of ext4 /   where ubuntu studio 15.04 is... ideas suggestions, humor?
[12:50] <buford> actually its the ubuntu BIOS GRUB partition that is located in from of beginning of SWAP partion and END of SWAP is located befor BEGIN of / partition containing Ubuntu Studio 15.04
[12:50] <buford> WHo will be my hero?
[12:53] <buford> I need to cut and past the bios...grub partition, so that I can move/increase size of SWAP - HELP a guy out, please...
[12:55] <buford> if my solution works I should be officially noted in the logs!  ;)
[13:09] <buford> guess what I solved the bug and fast... where  can I submit the bug workaround to?


[07:37] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-artwork [source] (groovy-proposed) [20.10.3]
[21:38] <wxl> what are you looking for?
[21:42] <wxl> you would need to send that to the upstream developers
[21:43] <wxl> here https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/new
 After latest update & upgrade:
 (Photo, 1280x1143) https://i.imgur.com/99S1non.jpg
[22:45] <wxl> !support


[00:00] <charlie-tca> Or allow each distribution to decide, if possible.
[00:00] <charlie-tca> If you really can't support both, you should not be placed in a position that says you will.
[00:47] <slangasek> lamont: acorn is declining to reply to ssh; can you persuade it?
[00:50] <GrueMaster> So, what's the current reason for the armel image respin?
[00:53] <slangasek> GrueMaster: there were updates to packages (lsb, tzdata) present on all images
[00:55] <GrueMaster> grumble.
[00:55] <GrueMaster> Good thing I keep a list of bugs on my notepad.
[00:58] <slangasek> kubuntu-mobile (i386) posted; xubuntu alternate posted
[00:59] <slangasek> (kubuntu alternate as well)
[01:10] <slangasek> ubuntu desktop posted
[01:11] <slangasek> kubuntu desktop posted too
[01:30] <slangasek> ubuntu-server posted
[01:33] <slangasek> xubuntu desktop posted
[01:34] <lamont> slangasek: acorn persuasion is done with an honest to goodness human finger applied in the right place
[01:34] <lamont> sadly, we have no such fingers in that data center at this time.
[01:34] <lamont> slangasek: so annonaceae is about to become the new acorn
[01:34] <lamont> though, well, PROCESS.
[01:34] <lamont> I'll update you has I have word
[01:37] <slangasek> ok; I'll be afk for the next hour or so
[01:40] <lamont> OK.  TOTALLY ECHAN and all that.. but HTF do I get compiz to quit deciding that just because I bumped into thte top of the screen that I MUST want it to do fullscreen with the window that I'm MOVING???

[02:11] <ScottK> lamont: Come on, you know configuration options are evil and must be avoided.  User choice is more trouble than it's worth.
[02:12] <lamont> 421 4.4.2 Message submission rate for this client IP add
[02:12] <lamont> ress has exceeded the configured limit (in reply to MAIL FROM command) <-- now that's just plain rude
[02:12] <lamont> ScottK: gar
[02:12] <lamont> what's worse is that after you de-fullscreen it, you get to start over agian
[02:25] <lamont> someone clueful wanna give me an example package that acorn actually builds?  or shall I just test it with base?
[02:26] <lamont> s/it/annonaceae/
[02:37] <highvoltage> all of that is configurable in ccsm
[02:43] <charlie-tca> slangasek: thanks.
[02:47] <lamont> sladen: finally actually heading home.  On the bright side, there's a fair chance that once I'm there it'll take less than 5 minutes to have annonaceae live for you
[02:47] <lamont> slangasek: ^^
[02:47] <lamont> have I mentioned that 3 characters + tab should be SUFFICIENT?
[03:15] <slangasek> mythbuntu, edubuntu posted
[03:16] <slangasek> that leaves arm (waiting for acorn++ to be online); ubuntu, kubuntu dvds
[03:20] <stgraber> yeah! /me starts downloading
[03:22] <slangasek> it's so hard to not type 'syncamore'
[03:25] <slangasek> all the omap4 builds have cleared on sycamore, so I'm starting the first of the omap builds over there to soak up the spare buildd cycles while waiting for onomatopoeia.buildd to come online
[03:25] <ScottL> are the alternative images rebuilding again?
[03:26] <slangasek> not "again", the alternate image respin started 4 hours ago and has finished now for all flavors
[03:31] <slangasek> skaet_, cjwatson: it looks like the livefs builds are done with natty-security enabled, and the alternate builds without (noticed via http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html due to krb5) - is this intended/expected?
[03:33] <slangasek> wow, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ got spiffed up when I wasn't looking
[03:34]  * lamont returns
[03:35] <stgraber> hmm, looks like removing language-support didn't help much for the powerpc image
[03:35] <stgraber> I'm wondering what can be removed to get it under 700MB and still have it working ...
[03:35] <lamont> slangasek: kick a build on annonaceae.buildd?
[03:37] <lamont> slangasek: give it a minute more
[03:37] <slangasek> lamont: say when
[03:41] <lamont> slangasek: kick it
[03:42] <slangasek> it seems to like me
[03:49] <lamont> \o/
[04:14] <SpamapS> hrm.. iso.qa.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be working for me
[04:16] <stgraber> SpamapS: loads fine here
[04:16] <SpamapS> just spinning for me. :-/
[04:16] <SpamapS> SYN begat no ACK
[05:06] <lamont> slangasek: I'd be interested to know how timings compare (in the post-ubuntu-headless cases)
[05:09] <lamont> slangasek: I'm asserting that the acorn->annonaceae change is permanent, fyi
[05:10] <lamont> that at least gives us one livecd builder that we can remote powerstab
[05:10] <ScottK> Because you're evil and like to give people difficult names to type?
[05:10] <lamont> ScottK: ah, come on, it's not that bad
[05:10] <lamont> it's not actinidiaceae
[05:11] <lamont> and 'aceae' falls trippingly off the left hand with practice...
[05:11] <ScottK> It has more vowels (almost in a row) than it's predecessor has letters.
[05:11] <lamont> 'c' is not a vowel
[05:12] <ScottK> Thus the almost.
[05:12] <cjwatson> lamont: I gave you the exact compizconfig-settings-manager thing for disabling fullscreen-on-drag-to-top the other day
[05:12] <ScottK> OK, half in a row.
[05:12] <lamont> custard apple.
[05:13] <lamont> cjwatson: oh!  so I just fail at reading.  this is cool
[05:13] <lamont> except for the failing part
[05:13] <cjwatson> 22:54 <cjwatson> or Grid -> Edges -> Resize Actions -> Top Edge = None
[05:14] <cjwatson> slangasek: I can't decide which one of those two surprises me
[05:16]  * ScottK found building with -security suprising, but not necessarily a bad thing.
[05:18] <lamont> I suspect that -security may be my doing
[05:19] <cjwatson> it's easy to change for the alternates/server if we want to (debian-cd/CONF.sh SECURITY=)
[05:19] <lamont> 185      adconra |     echo deb $MIRROR ${STE}-security ${COMP} >> ${ROOT}etc/apt/sources.list
[05:19] <lamont> 'twasn't me
[05:20] <lamont> 64  lamont@ | deb ${SECMIRROR} ${STE}-security ${COMP}
[05:20] <lamont> meh
[05:22] <lamont> it's only built with -security since januaru 2005 <-- slangasek
[05:24] <ScottK> Right, the part that's different is -security not being empty at release.
[05:24] <lamont> or for any .X subsequent release
[05:24] <lamont> it's a religious thing
[06:02] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'm off to bed.  There are three syncs waiting for you.  There are also some unprocessed removal bugs.  I also left one package in the queue for if you need to stimulate a publisher run.  I'll reappear in about 6 hours to see if anything else got uploaded before the unseeded final deadline.
[06:04] <slangasek> lamont: timings look pretty comparable between annonaceae and sycamore - right on the order of 1h
[06:04] <slangasek> I don't have any relevant successful runs on acorn to compare with
[06:04] <cjwatson> ScottK: right, thanks
[06:12] <skaet> hmm... seems there are some builds still failing due to synching locks
[06:13] <slangasek> transient error, please ignore the mail :)
[06:14] <skaet> slangasek,  coolio.   what's left?  and how look the images from the last few hours?
[06:14] <slangasek> left still are arm images, due to a builder problem plus a typo in my last bit of shell scripting; they should start arriving shortly
[06:15] <cjwatson> unless we want to rebuild alternates/servers with -security on
[06:16] <cjwatson> but perhaps we should just leave that alone for this cycle
[06:17] <skaet> cjwatson,  +1 for leave alone at this point unless someone comes up with a VERY good reason.
[06:17] <cjwatson> nah, I'm easy, let's just leave it then
[06:17] <skaet> slangasek,  I'm not seeing the DVD's on the iso tracker.  Have they emerged?
[06:18] <slangasek> skaet: yes, posted < 20min ago - refresh?
[06:18] <skaet> slangasek, yup,  refresh was needed.
[06:18] <skaet> thanks
[06:20] <skaet> cjwatson,  you in london now?
[06:20] <cjwatson> no, just about to leave Cambridge
[06:21] <slangasek> and please ignore /those/ mails also
[06:21]  * slangasek whistles and hits ^C a few more times at random
[06:21] <cjwatson> I should be there by 9:30 or so assuming there's no particular transport chaos
[06:22] <cjwatson> packing up now, see you on the other side
[06:22] <skaet> sounds good,  can you take a quick look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/770256
[06:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770256 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Reboots after Wubi install via ubiquity repeatedly ask to uninstall (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:22] <skaet> cjwatson,  never mind.   We'll talk about in london.
[06:22] <slangasek> "assuming these images test out, and the British rail system is reliable, we'll have an on-time release"
[06:22] <slangasek> ;)
[06:23]  * skaet shakes head,  and wonders what else murphy has in store :P
[06:23] <skaet> slangasek,  thanks for pushing those images through for the last few hours.   Appreciate it.
[06:23] <slangasek> no prob
[06:36] <skaet> slangasek,  what order are the arm images building in?
[06:37] <slangasek> skaet: ubuntu-netbook will be done shortly, then kubuntu, ubuntu-headless, kubuntu-mobile
[06:38] <slangasek> (order scrambled somewhat compared to what was originally queued, due to the builddery)
[06:38] <skaet> slangasek, cool,  thanks.  let me know when you're calling it a night,  and I'll start monitoring/posting until cjwatson arrives in london.
[06:40] <slangasek> oh, actually, looks like kubuntu-mobile will be done before ubuntu-headless
[06:40] <slangasek> and furthermore they should all be done within the hour
[06:42] <skaet> sweet.  :)
[06:43] <slangasek> right, there's ubuntu-netbook
[06:51] <slangasek> kubuntu desktop preinstalled posted
[06:54] <skaet> GrueMaster, Riddell, ScottK,  ^^
[06:54] <slangasek> kubuntu-mobile up
[06:55] <slangasek> ubuntu-headless up, and that's a wrap
[06:55] <slangasek> skaet: over to you :)
[06:59] <pitti> Good morning
[07:00] <pitti> slangasek, cjwatson: for the record, in case you ever need a harmless main package to put a seed change into effect, we could sync tzdata again
[07:00] <pitti> (we'll prepare an SRU for it)
[07:13] <skaet> slangasek,  thanks!   sleep well.  :)
[07:13] <skaet> good morning pitti
[07:57]  * skaet --> breakfast, then shifting to office.  biab
[09:23] <smoser> skaet, good morning.
[09:23] <smoser> any reason that jamespage and i should not start testing today's uec images
[09:30] <skaet> smoser,  jamespage - no reasons on my horizon,  go at it.
[09:30] <smoser> skaet, thank you
[09:32] <smoser> skaet, so you or someone else ther ecan then seed the iso tracker from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/20110426/
[09:34] <skaet> smoser,  ok,  will do
[10:30] <jibel> ev, another 'out of memory' crasher, bug 770865
[10:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770865 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with IOError in command(): [Errno 32] Broken pipe (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770865
[10:31] <jibel> but it crashed at a different place than bug 769359
[10:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769359 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Out of memory error on Kubuntu full disk install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769359
[10:39] <jibel> ev, could it be a problem with swap space being disabled at some point ? I noticed that in both cases "Total swap = 0kB"
[10:40] <ev> well, the installer will swapoff on any devices you're going to wipe
[10:40] <ev> jibel: I'm going to have a play around with kvm in a minute
[11:12] <cjwatson> partman-auto upload on its way to release pocket, acked by skaet and pgraner, reviewed by ev; fixes bug 770041, which is fatal to server installs in certain pre-existing situations and cannot be fixed post-release
[11:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770041 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "partitioner hangs if libparted sees partitions for which device nodes don't exist (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770041
[11:13] <ev> new wubi is up, waiting on cmsj to sign before it's ready for the next CD build
[11:16] <pitti> cjwatson: that affects all images except arm preinstall, I suppose?
[11:17] <cjwatson> pitti: server and alternate
[11:17] <pitti> ah
[11:17] <cjwatson> pitti: theoretically desktop too but I can't ever see anyone attempting a desktop install in the kind of partitioning environment that would trigger it
[11:18] <cjwatson> at the very least it'll be a few orders of magnitude rarer
[11:18] <cjwatson> so I'm not inclined to worry about that
[11:54] <ScottK> cjwatson or pitti: There's three removal bugs still pending for ubuntu-archive.  Can they be dealt with post-release?
[11:55] <ScottK> post/pre
[11:55] <ScottK> (early here)
[11:56] <ScottK> Also there's still one multiverse package in queue I've been holding in case you need a publisher run.  We're 5 minutes from Unseeded freeze, so I do plan to accept it unless I hear otherwise.
[11:56] <ScottK> skaet: ^^^
[11:56] <pitti> ScottK: I'll look at the removal bugs
[11:56] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:57] <jibel> pitti, is it intended to have german langpack only on i386 ?
[11:57] <jibel> I mean on the iso
[11:57] <pitti> jibel: "intended" is too strong, but we can't fit it on amd64, I guess
[11:58] <ScottK> I'd say we 'intend' things to fit on one CD.
[11:58] <ScottK> The rest is just consequences.
[11:58] <pitti> i386 still has 15 MB free, so we could add French back
[11:59] <ScottK> ev: My crash happened after swapoff (I did see that in top the time I tried to see if I could catch a memory spike anywhere)
[11:59] <ScottK> (769359)
[11:59] <jibel> pitti, ScottK  :-) ok, thanks
[12:00] <cjwatson> ScottK: yeah, I was about to start looking at the removal bugs, having just done the sync ones
[12:00] <cjwatson> but if pitti is working on them, that's fine too
[12:02] <pitti> jibel: chrisccoulson was just pointing out a rather severe bug in language-selector; did you see test results for non-English installations?
[12:02] <pitti> it still tries to install gnome-user-guide-LANG, but these were removed in a recent gnome-user-docs upload
[12:03] <jibel> pitti, I'll reproduce. give me 15 minutes
[12:04] <pitti> jibel: if it just happens in the GUI, it's fine for an SRU, but I'm worried if that breaks actual installations, as it uses a script in language-selector to figure out missing packages
[12:04] <pitti> chances are that it won't, and that ubiquity will just ignore the missing packages
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 771176 (i can't target it though)
[12:04] <pitti> ScottK: removals done
[12:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771176 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "langauge-selector non-functional in natty due to missing gnome-user-guide-xx packages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771176
[12:04] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:04] <jibel> pitti, it doesn't break installation. I tried French and German this morning
[12:04] <ScottK> I'm going through the -release bugs now.
[12:04] <pitti> jibel: *phew*
[12:05] <pitti> jibel: merci beaucoup for testing
[12:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: pushed a fix, uploading to -proposed; thanks!
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool, thanks for fixing quickly :)
[12:08] <jibel> pitti, bitte
[12:13] <cjwatson> pitti: we had to take a language pack out.  how's there suddenly room to put it back in?
[12:16] <pitti> cjwatson: not sure; but the image is 685 MB, French takes 14.3 MB; so perhaps the rounding is too optimistic and it would overflow
[12:17] <pitti> I didn't touch the seeds so far; there'd be too little margin for build/compression noise either way
[12:17] <pitti> lunch, bbl
[12:17] <ScottK> pitti: Looks like one of the VDR sync's didn't get done: Bug 768200
[12:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768200 in vdr-plugin-osdteletext (Ubuntu) "Sync vdr-plugin-osdteletext 0.9.0-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768200
[12:18] <pitti> ScottK: oh, doing
[12:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:20] <cjwatson> pitti: yeah, I'd prefer to leave it now
[12:20] <pitti> ScottK: speaking about syncs, WDYT about bug 752396 ?
[12:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 752396 in bzr-fastimport (Ubuntu) "bzr-fastimport is not listed in "bzr plugins" list (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752396
[12:20]  * pitti checks debdiff
[12:20] <ScottK> pitti: I'd say go for it.
[12:21] <pitti> (it's not on any image)
[12:21] <pitti> ok, it fixes just that, plus test suite updates; syncing
[12:35] <cjwatson> ogra_: so, this bug with double "headless" in image names: it's currently that way for preinstalled-netbook images too.  would you be OK with both of those ending up as ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-{headless,netbook}-armel+{omap,omap4}.img.gz?
[12:36] <cjwatson> that seems to me to be the right one of the dup pair to drop
[12:36] <ogra_> sure
[12:36] <ogra_> i dont really care which one we drop as long as the duplication is gone :)
[12:36] <cjwatson> I think if I do that they may also end up in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/ rather than http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-{headless,netbook}/releases/natty/release/
[12:36] <cjwatson> is that OK too?
[12:37] <ogra_> definitely better ! :)
[12:37] <ogra_> we'll need to adjust wiki docs though (/me makes a note)
[12:40] <ScottK> Release team bug list is now empty.
[12:42] <jamespage> skaet: hey
[12:42] <jamespage> skaet: we seem to be missing a few test cases from the ISO tracker for asia-pacific regions - the EBS tests are missing
[12:43] <jamespage> skaet: can you fix this up for me?
[12:53] <skaet> jibel,  ^^ can you help jamespage?
[13:11] <pitti> ScottK: empty bug list> great work!
[13:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:16] <jibel> jamespage, ap ebs is there now.
[13:16] <jibel> 4 were missing
[13:16] <ogra_> ScottK, btw, i filed a spec request to better document whats needed to enable new unsupported community images, i hope we can work through that together to have a list of things future people need to regard to get community images for new arches
[13:17] <ScottK> Great.
[13:17] <jamespage> skaet, jibel: thanks
[13:23] <ev> jibel: not sure if you saw the note about the impending non-livefs desktop respin for the wubi fix.
[13:23] <ev> but yeah, we're respinning the cd without a new livefs
[13:26] <cjwatson> rebuilding server and alternates: echo ubuntu server; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily; echo ubuntu alternate; for-project ubuntu cron.daily; echo kubuntu alternate; for-project kubuntu cron.daily; echo xubuntu alternate; for-project xubuntu cron.daily; echo ubuntu studio; for-project ubuntustudio cron.daily
[13:27] <cjwatson> (for partman-auto 93ubuntu16)
[13:27] <skaet> jibel, pgraner,  ^^
[13:31] <pgraner> skaet, ack
[13:32] <pgraner> jibel, rebuilding server and alternates
[13:33] <jibel> pgraner,  desktop as well (for wubi) ?
[13:34] <cjwatson> jibel: we don't have a signed image from IS yet
[13:35] <cjwatson> RT#45487
[13:35] <jibel> ok
[13:35] <cjwatson> desktop and I guess DVD ought to go after that
[14:02] <stgraber> good morning
[14:03] <pgraner> stgraber, morning
[14:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: not sure if it's documented anywhere but Edubuntu doesn't ship wubi (we'll probably want to change that for Oneiric though) so we won't need a rebuild for wubi
[14:13] <jibel> stgraber, in bug 770381 there's a task opened for mdadm, is there something left to do or should I close it ?
[14:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770381 in mdadm (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "mdadm does not start automatically at boot due to LOG_DAEMON_MSG being unset (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770381
[14:13] <stgraber> jibel: hmm, forgot to mark this one invalid. The bug was in lsb, not mdadm (though mdadm's init script could be improved, but that's not really a bug)
[14:14] <jibel> stgraber, ok thanks
[14:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: noted, thanks
[14:16] <cjwatson> IIRC it's just Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[14:16] <jibel> cjwatson, what's the status of bug 728088, no fix for final ?
[14:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "iscsi root with or without auth fails to boot (affects: 2) (heat: 80)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728088
[14:17] <cjwatson> jibel: I don't know, I was actually about to ask Daviey about it when he came back into the room
[14:18] <cjwatson> he had ownership of figuring out a way to reproduce it
[14:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: hm, in fact it really is "everything but Edubuntu"
[14:19] <cjwatson> not entirely sure if say kubuntu-mobile really needs it ...
[14:19] <stgraber> yeah, and Edubuntu missing it isn't intentional. I only looked for it 2 days ago so it was a bit late to get it fixed :)
[14:20] <cjwatson> stgraber: it was intentional at one point - we have explicit code for it in cdimage
[14:20] <cjwatson>                 if [ "$PROJECT" != livecd-base ] && [ "$PROJECT" != edubuntu ]; then
[14:20] <stgraber> could that be some remaining code of the addon cd era ?
[14:21] <stgraber> hmm, I'd guess not as the addon didn't have a livefs so shouldn't have had wubi for that reason
[14:22] <stgraber> anyway, it's in our Oneiric todolist to see if wubi works properly with Edubuntu and if so, have it put back on the DVD
[14:24] <cjwatson> stgraber: I think there was something to use umenu rather than wubi on the add-on CDs, maybe
[14:28] <Daviey> jibel, So, i tried to reproduce it in virtualbox, and didn't see the issue. :/
[14:31] <cjwatson> Ubuntu server, Ubuntu alternate, Kubuntu alternate posted
[14:51] <cjwatson> Xubuntu alternate posted
[15:05] <jibel> Daviey, sorry, my connection dropped.
[15:05] <jibel> Daviey, did you talk to patrickdk, the user who reported this issue. He's usually on #ubuntu-testing
[15:17] <cjwatson> Ubuntu Studio posted
[15:39] <cjwatson> is anyone going to fix kubuntu-full to be installable?  (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html)
[15:39] <ScottK> Let me look into it.
[15:39] <cjwatson> seems to be a disagreement about the exact set of available language packs
[15:40] <cjwatson> possibly an SRU at this point, since it would be nice not to have to rebuild desktop livefses?
[15:47] <ScottK> cjwatson: I think armel probably isn't trivially fixable.  We don't have a dvd for that, so I'm reasonably sure we don't care.
[15:48] <cjwatson> I was more asking for x86 really
[15:53] <ScottK> That's about done.
[15:53] <cjwatson> ok, sru?
[15:54] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:54] <ScottK> Uploaded.
[15:54]  * cjwatson nods, thanks
[15:54] <cjwatson> we probably ought to rebuild the Kubuntu DVD livefses against that
[15:55] <cjwatson> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/report.html)
[15:56] <ScottK> You want it to -release then?
[15:56] <cjwatson> no, I think -proposed would be ine
[15:56] <cjwatson> *fine
[15:56] <cjwatson> saves skew between release archive and the desktop images
[15:57] <cjwatson> since it's a binary of kubuntu-meta
[15:57] <ev> signed wubi is now in the right place
[15:57] <ev> cds should be ready to go
[16:00] <cjwatson> ScottK: is it intentional that kubuntu-mobile includes wubi?
[16:00] <ScottK> No.
[16:00] <ScottK> There's no use case where we would possible care.
[16:00] <ScottK> possible/possibly.
[16:00] <cjwatson> should I respin and remove it, or just leave it as is?
[16:01] <ScottK> There's no testing on the current image, so respin without it would be nice, but it's perfectly acceptable to leave it as is.
[16:01] <ScottK> (I don't know what else you've got on your plate, so low priority)
[16:02] <cjwatson> I've committed the code change for that, in any event
[16:02] <cjwatson> so I can do that at the end of the list
[16:02] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:02] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: do you want to respin Xubuntu for bug 770256?
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770256 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Reboots after Wubi install via ubiquity repeatedly ask to uninstall (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770256
[16:03] <cjwatson> superm1: do you want to respin Mythbuntu for bug 770256?
[16:04] <ScottK> cjwatson: Updated kubuntu-meta is in queue for -proposed.
[16:06]  * cjwatson looks
[16:06] <cjwatson> thanks, accepting
[16:09] <charlie-tca> How bad is that going to screw up the windows users?
[16:09] <ogra> hmm, somehow the slideshow vanished from out preinstalled images
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I think I can release note, thus no respin needed for 770256
[16:11] <ogra> i would have blamed the latest meta upload, but nothing regarding the slideshow changed in the seeds
[16:11] <ogra> so i dont get why it wouldnt end up on the images
[16:14] <superm1> cjwatson, no concerns for mythbuntu respinning for that -
[16:20] <cjwatson> superm1: so respin or no?
[16:21] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: FWIW I'll be respinning Ubuntu and Kubuntu, if that influences your decision
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Okay, go ahead and respin it, I don't have any tests done yet anyway
[16:23] <cjwatson> righto - thanks
[16:23] <scott-work> cjwatson: if we end up respinning ubuntustudio-alternative again could you give me a heads up, i have people who are scheduled to test
[16:23] <cjwatson> (it'll be a livefs-only respin)
[16:24] <cjwatson> scott-work: the one that was just done is the last I know of
[16:24] <cjwatson> scott-work: sorry if it interfered, I didn't see many tests already there
[16:29] <jdstrand> robbiew, Daviey: fyi, bug #771305
[16:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771305 in samba (Ubuntu) "smbd does not start on first boot with 20110426 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771305
[16:29] <jdstrand> s/first boot/reboot/
[16:31] <superm1> cjwatson, no respin
[16:33] <cjwatson> superm1: ok, thanks
[16:34] <robbiew> jdstrand: ack...will look at it...thnx
[16:34] <jdstrand> robbiew: seems upstarty, fwiw
[16:34] <robbiew> yeah...that's what I suspect
[16:36] <jdstrand> robbiew: I saw it yesterday too, I apologize for not filing a bug then (I only made a comment in the test case; thought it was intermittent, but today after several reboots it was not)
[16:36] <robbiew> no worries...not a HUGE bug and seems like an easy SRU
[16:37]  * jdstrand nods
[16:41] <ScottK> Famous last words ...
[16:51] <robbiew> ScottK: heh...indeed
[16:55] <Daviey> jdstrand, thanks
[17:02] <cjwatson> Xubuntu alternate posted (again)
[17:46] <ogra> cjwatson, we might need a respin for omap3, can we roll that subarch separately (so we dont need to retest omap4)
[17:47] <cjwatson> ogra: that is possible, yes
[17:47] <ogra> k, thanks
[17:47] <cjwatson> damn, need to get round to respinning desktops!
[17:47] <ogra> still discussing (david just talks to kate)
[17:48] <cjwatson> (caught up in RL conversations)
[17:48] <ogra> :)
[17:48] <cjwatson> echo ubuntu desktop; for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live && build-chinese-edition /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso; echo kubuntu desktop; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; echo xubuntu desktop; for-project xubuntu cron.daily-live
[17:48] <cjwatson> running
[17:55] <stgraber> cjwatson: is there a specific package to report bug against for the timezone selection in d-i ?
[17:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: yes, tzsetup
[17:56] <stgraber> cjwatson: my IP here got added to maxmind's database just a few months ago and the Canonical geolocation server wasn't updated since then, so it selects "None" as the timezone and doesn't seem to be bothered about it :) (I'd expect d-i to prompt me to choose a valid timezone then)
[17:57] <cjwatson> yes, that does seem odd
[18:01] <elmo> wait, wut?  we have a maxmind subscription
[18:01] <elmo> or is this the non-maxmind DB?
[18:02] <cjwatson> it's whatever http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup does
[18:02] <stgraber> elmo: geoip.ubuntu.com my IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:02] <stgraber> elmo: on maxmind's website I correctly get Country, Region, Region Name, City, ... but /lookup returns None for pretty much everything
[18:02] <dobey> what is the 'deadline' for being able to have 0-day SRU?
[18:04] <stgraber> elmo: bug 771361 has the output of /lookup from here
[18:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771361 in tzsetup (Ubuntu) "When IP isn't in maxmind's database, None gets selected as a locale (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771361
[18:04] <cjwatson> dobey: release
[18:04] <dobey> cjwatson: ok, so anything i upload to -proposed today should be able to get in?
[18:05] <dobey> or tomorrow even i guess
[18:05] <cjwatson> dobey: in principle yes, though you'll have to let us know
[18:05] <ev> (fwiw, http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup?ip=<IP_ADDRESS> )
[18:05] <cjwatson> (if you want expedited processing)
[18:06] <dobey> cjwatson: ok, will do, thanks!
[18:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, hulp ... i need a hint for a quoting issue ...
[18:07] <ogra_> i'm currently setting board_opts="mpurate=900" ... that ends up on the kernel cmdline of the image
[18:07] <cjwatson> ok
[18:07] <ogra_> the found fix is that we need (literally) mpurate=${mpurate} on the final cmdline
[18:08] <cjwatson> board_opts='mpurate=${mpurate}'
[18:08] <ogra_> using board_opts='mpurate=${mpurate}'  in the script will get me that (vs expanding ${mpurate}) right ?
[18:08] <elmo> oh, right, we can't use the paid one
[18:08] <elmo> even though we pay for it
[18:08] <ogra_> cjwatson, ah, snap :)
[18:08] <elmo> the terms won't let us, since we're essentially exposing their DB to the world
[18:08] <ogra_> thanks a lot, i was unsure
[18:09] <stgraber> elmo: and I'm guessing they don't update the free one very often ?
[18:10] <elmo> stgraber: it's at least 6 months lagged
[18:10] <ogra_> cjwatson, debian-cd updated, feel free to re-roll omap3 at will
[18:12] <elmo> stgraber: (I think)
[18:20] <cjwatson> I have a funny feeling we fixed the None case a while back in ubiquity at least, but I can't find it
[18:26] <cjwatson> Ubuntu desktop, Kubuntu desktop, Xubuntu desktop posted (Wubi fix)
[18:28] <cjwatson> echo ubuntu headless; ARCHES=armel+omap for-project ubuntu-headless cron.daily-preinstalled; echo ubuntu netbook; ARCHES=armel+omap for-project ubuntu-netbook cron.daily-preinstalled
[18:28] <cjwatson> running
[18:31] <stgraber> cjwatson: yeah, ubiquity doesn't select anything for me, so I just have to click somewhere on the map and it works (it doesn't show None anywhere)
[19:02] <cjwatson> ubuntu headless omap3 posted
[19:07] <highvoltage> I think I may have found a bad bug, Edubuntu amd64 suddenly needs a lot more disk space to install (ubiquity says I need 14.1 GB free space and it used to be about half that)
[19:08] <highvoltage> have anyone noticed something similar in other 64bit isos?
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:02 <cjwatson> ubuntu headless omap3 posted
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:03 <cjwatson> something odd is wrong with netbook
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:03 <cjwatson> http://annonaceae.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/natty/ubuntu-netbook-omap/ doesn't exist
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:04 <cjwatson> I guess that was changed recently
[19:08] <cjwatson> 19:03 <cjwatson> http://annonaceae.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/natty/ubuntu-netbook-omap/ doesn't exist
[19:08] <cjwatson> (er, sorry for dup)
[19:08] <cjwatson> looks like acorn->annonaceae was a recent change, so doing a full netbook build
[19:08] <cjwatson> can somebody please post that to the tracker (omap3 only) when it's done?  I'm going out for dinner now and may not be back tonight
[19:09] <cjwatson> highvoltage: it was deliberately increased recently, though I didn't think it was by that much
[19:09] <cjwatson> (but, as I said, off out)
[19:09] <slangasek> yes, ubuntu-netbook's omap livefs build was done on sycamore... I hand-hacked find-livefs-build to get it to pull from the right place at the time
[19:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'll do it
[19:09] <cjwatson> thanks
[19:10] <cjwatson> slangasek: ah well, too late, it's rebuilding now
[19:10] <slangasek> ok
[19:10] <slangasek> 'sonly an hour to build it, not like the bad-old-days of armel builds
[19:10] <cjwatson> yeah
[19:10] <cjwatson> off out now
[19:10]  * slangasek waves
[19:10] <highvoltage> cjwatson: thanks for the clarification, I guess we can change the edubuntu minimum specs to have a 20GB hard disk then
[19:11] <highvoltage> (and have fun!)
[19:11] <stgraber> marked netbook armel+omap3 for rebuild on the tracker, will monitor cdimage to see when the new one appears
[19:51] <lamont> cjwatson: acorn->annonaceae was a late-last-night-when-acorn-died change
[20:00] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: Need to respin kubuntu-preinstalled-desktop & mobile for omap3 as well.
[20:01] <slangasek> GrueMaster: cjwatson is off and I'm not finding the explanation for the respins in scrollback; can you fill me in?
[20:02] <ogra_> slangasek, changed kernel cmdline options for omap3
[20:02] <ogra_> mpurate was set to 900 which means all beagles try to set the CPU to 900MHz
[20:03] <ogra_> the change sets mpurate=${mpurate} and we can export $mpurate from an u-boot update
[20:03] <ogra_> (u-boot has a table for that value)
[20:04] <slangasek> ogra_: so this only requires a respin of the image, not the livefs?
[20:04] <ogra_> from that table the value is set accoprding to the board u-boot detects, instead of having a hardcoded 900 in there
[20:04] <ogra_> right, just the image
[20:05] <ogra_> though i think we have removal code in the build scripts, might be hard to find a filesystem
[20:05] <ogra_> (since our rootfs is huge before compressing)
[20:19] <slangasek> respins scheduled
[20:19] <ogra_> merci
[20:38] <bdmurray> I just noticed there is a hibernate option when running the Live CD
[20:42] <stgraber> Ubuntu netbook armel omap3 finished building and is now on the tracker
[20:53] <ogra_> stgraber, thanks !
[20:59] <bdmurray> slangasek - I just noticed there is a hibernate option when running the Live CD
[21:19] <bdmurray> hello?
[21:31] <pitti> skaet, cjwatson: should we move kubuntu-meta to -updates now, so that we can build the kubuntu DVD with it?
[21:32] <pitti> sorry, I had a server downtime and lost this evening's scrollback
[21:32] <bdmurray> pitti: apport seems to be enabled on the live cds afaict
[21:32] <pitti> bdmurray: right, casper does that
[21:32] <pitti> so that we can get install failures for ubiquity etc.
[21:33] <bdmurray> ah, okay that does sound familiar
[21:34] <bdmurray> I noticed hibernation appears in the live cd power menu too is that deliberate?
[21:34] <pitti> that sounds like a bug -- the live system doesn't have any swap it could hibernate to
[21:35] <pitti> unless it uses the ones on the installed system
[21:35] <pitti> but that would be a bug, too
[21:35] <bdmurray> the live cd I was using did use my installed system's swap
[21:35] <bdmurray> er did mount
[21:35] <pitti> "use" is correct, swap isn't mounted :)
[21:35] <bdmurray> it looks the gconf key in 32disable_hibernation is wrong
[21:36] <pitti> but anyway; it's probably debatable that it's doing that
[21:36] <pitti> bdmurray: hibernation is supposed to be enabled in the installed system
[21:36] <pitti> there's an example config file how to disable it
[21:36] <pitti> we had it disabled by default for a while, but there was too much pushback from both users and OEM team
[21:36] <pitti> this needs some more thought, there's an UDS topic about it
[21:36] <bdmurray> right I'm saying it showed up when running the Live CD
[21:37] <pitti> right
[21:37] <pitti> ah, the casper script is wrong, yes
[21:37] <bdmurray> looks like it was reported as bug 610351
[21:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 610351 in casper (Ubuntu) "scripts/casper-bottom/32disable_hibernation sets /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/can_hibernate (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610351
[21:38] <pitti> too late for natty now, as we can't SRU it, but I'll get it fixed for oneiric
[21:38] <bdmurray> what would happen if people tried to hibernate? wouldn't data be written to their swap partition?
[21:39] <pitti> right
[21:39] <pitti> it probably won't come back, though
[21:40] <bdmurray> yes but whatever they had on their swap partition (a different hibernation?) would be lost
[21:40] <pitti> in principle it could work, but I don't think this has ever been tested
[21:40] <pitti> no, swap partitions with a hibernate image have a different signature and won't be automounted
[21:40] <jibel> ev, I've just got the 'Out of memory' error, process killed was swapoff, seems rather critical
[21:40] <pitti> at least that part should work
[21:41] <bdmurray> okay sounds reasonable
[21:41] <slangasek> bdmurray: hibernate> hmm.  Does it work?
[21:42] <slangasek> ah, I gather "no"
[21:43] <pitti> the hibernation would certainly work; but I'm less sure whether the iniramfs for the live system has teh necessary resuming bits, and whether all the aufs, squashfs etc. stuff would survive that
[21:43] <bdmurray> well hibernating seems to but resuming is hard
[22:17] <jibel> ScottK, we are fixing bug 769356, the link for kubuntu release notes is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview or there's another specific to kubuntu ?
[22:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769356 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Kubuntu installer release notes link points http://www.kubuntu.org/news to (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769356
[23:19] <jibel> ev, skaet bug 771517 a consequence of the fix of 770256 ?
[23:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771517 in wubi "Natty Wubi install via ubiquity fails saying no such file or directory found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771517
[23:21] <skaet> jibel,  did this just showed up with the latest builds from this afternoon or was it around before?  can't tell from the bug.
[23:21] <jibel> skaet, brand new bug
[23:24] <skaet> Riddell, ScottL, stgraber, highvoltage, superm1,   can you please review your products on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest,  and confirm what is being produced, and where its being broadcast and announced,  matches your expectations.  If so,  please add your signoff to "Sign-off Date" column.
[23:24] <skaet> jibel,  brand new bug on this afternoon's build?   or brand new bug on earlier image?
[23:24] <jibel> skaet, with the latest build
[23:26] <jibel> I'll try to reproduce tomorrow morning.
[23:30] <skaet> thanks jibel,  we prob need ev to get this sorted if confirmed,   sleep well
[23:34] <jibel> skaet, thanks, you too, see you tomorrow.
[23:39] <highvoltage> skaet: done
[23:40] <skaet> highvoltage, thanks!


[01:52] <tiwake> Ardonel: oh ok
[01:53] <tiwake> Ardonel: I know one other "internet guy" who lives in fort-worth
[23:50] <Ardonel> tiwake: did woodypc ever send you his email address?


[01:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:23] <wez> .o/
[02:23] <wez> Afternoon!
[06:40] <ducasse> hi gang
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> now jammy needs sudo to trigger dmesg, should we still ask their dmesg?
[15:53] <ogra> as long as they can sudo ...
[15:54] <leftyfb> I was always surprised it didn't require elevated privs to see kernel messages
[15:54] <leftyfb> an annoyance for sure, but this is how it should be
[15:55] <ogra> well, effectively dmesg doesnt really have a lot over journalctl ... for which you dont need extra privs
[15:56] <leftyfb> see now that's interesting because I have found some services do require sudo in order to watch their journal logs
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> i mean, if we ask users sudo dmesg, any chance other users can exploit that info
[15:57] <leftyfb> in what way?
[15:57] <ogra> well, dmesg content didnt change ...
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> ok
[19:37] <Guest77> hi
[19:38] <Guest77> what do you all think of the new LTS release
[19:38] <Guest77> it looks cool at least
[19:39] <Maik> after 8.04, 10.04, 14.04 and 20.04 i must say it's one of the best LTS releases
[19:39] <Guest77> i agree
[19:40] <Guest77> i tired it a few days ago
[19:40] <Maik> been enjoying it since the release
[19:40] <Maik> and tested it since february
[19:40] <Guest77> I use Pop!_OS and I am exited for it to get 22.04
[19:40] <Guest77> cool
[19:41] <Maik> that was just released Guest77
[19:41] <Maik> check distrowatch
[19:41] <Guest77> REALY!!!
[19:41] <Maik> yep
[19:41] <Guest77> wow
[19:41] <Maik> but we don't support that here
[19:42] <Guest77> ya
[19:42] <Guest77> anyway ubuntu 22.04 looks great
[19:42] <Maik> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/pop-os-22-04-lts-features-download
[19:42] <Maik> there you go :)
[19:42] <Guest77> thanks
[19:42] <Maik> yw
[19:43] <Guest77> ya i was expecting it to come out at least a few weaks after ubuntu dropped like it has in the past but that was fast
[19:44] <Maik> yep, same thought here. However i never tried Pop! OS and never will, Ubuntu is what i stick to. :)
[19:44] <Guest77> i respect that
[19:45] <Maik> likewise ;)
[19:46] <Maik> enjoy your day/evening/night, i got to go now.
[19:46] <Guest77> gnome 42 looks great on ubuntu
[19:46] <Maik> agreed
[19:46] <Guest77> ok
[19:46] <Maik> have fun :)
[19:46] <Guest77> 👍


[14:38] <bingel> I have doubts concerning the management of the trim on SSDs Samsung 8* series.
[14:38] <bingel> With regard to "queued trim", these discs were put on the blacklist (in "libata-core.c" library) for each version of firmware and as a result, the queued trim should be disabled for them.
[14:38] <bingel> I own a Samsung 840 PRO with fw "5B0Q" (not the latest), and by mounting the partitions on that disk using the "discard" option (in fstab), this option, instead of being ignored (as it should), is taken into account (the "mount" command output is in the partitions options).
[14:38] <bingel> I wonder if, despite this, the queued trim is in any case disabled or if there is some sort of bug or, most likely something that I did not understand.
[14:38] <bingel> Thanks to those who want me to come in handy explaining this behaviour.
[14:38] <bingel> Excuse me for my poor English
[14:38] <bingel> ...hello to everyone
[14:40] <bingel> Errata corrige: (the "mount" command output show "discard" in the partitions options).
[14:43] <bingel> My Ubuntu is 16.04 up to date.
[14:44] <bingel> Kernel is 4.4.0-53-generic
[14:58] <trippeh_> the kernel only disables queued TRIM, it can still use the older style non-queued TRIMs
[14:59] <trippeh_> which works fine on the samsungs
[15:08] <bingel> Thanks for your reply.
[15:08] <bingel> Yes, I know but the option "discard" should enable "queued trim" therefore if I put "discard" in "fstab" and remount partitions then i check output of "mount" command I should not see "discard" because this options should be ignored ...or am I wrong?
[15:09] <bingel> .
[15:09] <bingel> discard is just for queued trim
[15:10] <bingel> not for old-style (or am I wrong?)
[15:43] <trippeh_> discard should use whatever variant is available, it pre-dates queued trim
[15:57] <bingel> Are you sure? Because I think you are wrong, discard should be only for queued trim.
[16:14] <ivan> "discard
[16:14] <ivan> Enables discard/TRIM on freed blocks. This can decrease performance on devices that do not support queued TRIM command, like SATA prior to revision 3.1. Alternatively, you can run fstrim command periodically."


[16:35] <BrainUbunrtu> hi!
[18:55] <restless> hi all!
[18:56] <calugos> hi
[18:57] <calugos> good afternoon
[18:57] <restless> hi
[18:57] <calugos> i have a question about the Loco Teams
[18:58] <calugos> there is a problem in having two Loco-teams  in the same country?
[19:06] <calugos> hummm some one here???
[19:07] <JoseeAntonioR> calugos: I think that's not permitted, and they should merge
[19:08] <JoseeAntonioR> you should ask the LoCo Council, though
[19:09] <calugos> humm ok...
[19:16] <AlanBell> !loco-council
[19:16] <ubot2> Factoid 'loco-council' not found
[19:16] <AlanBell> meh, whatever
[19:16] <JoseeAntonioR> !lococouncil
[19:16] <ubot2> The Loco Council is huats, czajkowski, greg-g, itnet7, SergioMeneses and xdatap1 - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:16] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[19:16] <AlanBell> thats the one :)
[19:17] <AlanBell> calugos has a question for the council, but not really the IRC Council
[19:18] <AlanBell> calugos: it is Sunday evening, I would suggest hanging about here for 24 hours or so, and/or mailing the loco contacts list
[19:18] <calugos> ok... thanks AlanBell
[20:50] <effiejayx> thanks AlanBell , ubot2 did not ping me...
[20:50] <effiejayx> missed that one
[20:51] <AlanBell> effiejayx: ok, we will get that sorted
[20:51] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: we need to get the factoid updated. I sent a suggestion a couple weeks ago
[20:53] <AlanBell> should be updated in ubottu now, I think that syncs to ubot2 on a fairly regular basis
[20:54] <AlanBell> !lococouncil
[20:54] <ubot2> The Loco Council is huats, czajkowski, greg-g, itnet7, SergioMeneses and xdatap1 - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:54] <AlanBell> but not quite instantly :)
[20:54] <JoseeAntonioR> erm, that's wrong, sending suggestion to ubottu in a sec, some lococouncil members were replaced
[20:54] <JoseeAntonioR> just checked ubottu
[20:55] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: edit forwarded to -ops
[20:55] <AlanBell> JoseeAntonioR: ok, I sent that to ubottu
[20:56] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks!
[20:56] <AlanBell> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=lococouncil looks like there was a global one and a channel specific one
[20:57] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, then that was it
[20:57] <JoseeAntonioR> the chan specific one may be forgotten as the global works here too
[20:58] <AlanBell> yeah, I can't see any reason not to have it as a global factoid
[20:58] <czajkowski> people yer pinging me
[20:58] <czajkowski> whats up
[20:58] <AlanBell> yeah, sorry
[20:59] <AlanBell> factoid management error
[20:59] <JoseeAntonioR> oops
[20:59] <AlanBell> czajkowski: there was a channel specific factoid here for lococouncil, we added it as a global factoid which updated it to the new council everywhere but here
[21:00] <AlanBell> should be fixed at the next bot factoid sync
[21:00] <czajkowski> ok
[21:00] <czajkowski> <--- off to sleep
[21:00] <AlanBell> nn
[21:00] <czajkowski> done hours of driving and tired
[21:02] <Cheri703> czajkowski: or any LoCo council members around?
[21:03] <czajkowski> Cheri703: it's the weekend so usually best to email
[21:03] <czajkowski> what's up
[21:04] <Cheri703> mind if I pm?
[21:04] <czajkowski> sure
[22:03] <effiejayx> czajkowski, so much for you going to sleep... :) I am also around if you need


[12:55] <choki> hello phiscribe
[12:55] <choki> where is philw?
[14:35] <annabel_> Hi everyone, i was wondering if you may be able to help. i have a vanilla install of lubuntu 14.10 and i am trying to get an onscreen keyboard on the lock screen. i have sudo apt-get install onboard (on screen keyboard) but under the accessibility icon (circle with a man inside it) top right of the lock screen the only options there are "Large font" and "High Contrast"
[21:31] <fig> I've got a 250 GB hard drive and I'm installing lubuntu on a 50 GB partition.  What do you mean?
[21:39] <rww> does "remove my dual boot configuration" mean keeping lubuntu or keeping your other OS?
[21:39] <wxl> you update grub to tell it that there's only one image to boot to :)
[21:40] <fig> keeping my other OS, windows
[21:41] <rww> usual method is http://superuser.com/a/289496
[21:41] <rww> tl;dr: you reinstall Windows' bootloader over the top of it
[21:42] <fig> huh....OK. I actually did make a recovery USB when I bought this computer, so I guess that should work
[21:42] <fig> and I do have everything backed up on a hard drive too
[21:42] <fig> in case things go south
[21:45] <fig> all right, about to install on my partition, and it's telling me I have to make a 1 MB partition for the bootloader, otherwise I'll have trouble later. It says I should designate it as a reserved BIOS boot area......
[21:45] <fig> should that be logical or primary?
[21:46] <fig> and am I correct in assuming that the mount point for that should be /boot ?
[21:46] <fig> wxl, rww ^^^
[21:47] <wxl> if you're getting rid of lubuntu and keeping windows, it might be more of a windows question, fig
[21:48] <wxl> i'm pretty sure there's a ##windows channel aruond here somewhere
[21:48] <fig> no, no, that was a hypothetical for future endeavors
[21:48] <wxl> and even still
[21:48] <fig> I'm installing lubuntu alongside windows right now
[21:48] <wxl> hypothetically, it's not something that i have any experience with
[21:48] <wxl> and i doubt many folks in the community do
[21:48] <wxl> and if they do, they probably haven't removed lubuntu
[21:48] <wxl> if anything, they've removed windows :)
[21:49] <fig> rww gave me an adequate response a moment ago, so I'm not really concerned about that....again, a hypothetical for something in the future
[21:49] <fig> for now....
[21:49] <fig> what are the right parameters for the bootloader partition?
[21:49] <wxl> grub is in /boot
[21:49] <fig> cool.....
[21:50] <fig> and logical or primary? I would assume logical since it isn't primary
[21:50] <fig> but it could be I guess
[21:51] <fig> http://askubuntu.com/questions/464402/choosing-partition-types-for-swap-and-root-and-choosing-device-for-bootloader-in


[00:27] <asturubuntu> Hi...
[00:27] <asturubuntu> I'm testing beta of ubuntu for asturian language iso code "ast", and I find that Firefox is in English
[00:28] <asturubuntu> where must i put the bug?
[04:33] <EruditeHermit> hi
[04:35] <EruditeHermit> where is asac
[13:47] <av`> fta, why songbird is not yet into the archive?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[14:11] <fta> av`, see bug 94494
[14:13] <fta> and debian 412437
[14:13] <eagles0513875> hehe
[17:03] <gnomefreak> i am not here pretty much at all for a week or so. im in a bad place mentally and working on it. asac if you forgot about it please push sunbird while im gone.
[17:05] <BUGabundo> hey gnomefreak
[17:05] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[17:05] <gnomefreak> i will however check email while im gone i hope. i was hospitalized since wed. sept. 23rd
[17:05] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[17:06] <gnomefreak> oh win system to help my father with an issue, so once done iwill be gone :(
[17:07] <gnomefreak> BUGabundocan you relay the above info to asac when he returns, im likely to not be here. im thinking hes gone for the weekend
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I won't be here long
[17:09] <BUGabundo> and asac is on break too
[17:10] <BUGabundo> better memo or email him, gnomefreak
[17:10]  * gnomefreak thinks he cant remember because he is too busy so i should ask bdrung_ or someone else
[17:10] <gnomefreak> BUGabundothanks. how long of a break is he on?
[17:11] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:11] <BUGabundo> I just notice asac aint even here
[17:11] <BUGabundo> so it must be a long away
[17:11] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[17:12] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo how has everything been?
[17:12] <BUGabundo> nice
[17:12] <gnomefreak> good to hear
[17:12] <BUGabundo> much much busy
[17:13] <BUGabundo> enjoying a long weekend :)
[17:13] <gnomefreak> im not alowed t o be busy for a while
[17:13] <BUGabundo> national holiday tomorrow
[17:13] <BUGabundo> gramas bday today :)
[17:13] <gnomefreak> :)
[17:14] <gnomefreak> extemssion work going ok? that reminds me i need to talk to bdrung_ about my patch for the install.rdf
[17:15] <gnomefreak> extension even
[17:16] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/02/the-real-firefox/
[17:17]  * gnomefreak looks
[17:18]  * gnomefreak starting to hate icechat
[17:19] <BUGabundo> aha
[17:20] <gnomefreak> IE is crashing
[17:20] <gnomefreak> so much for not having to restart browser
[17:21] <gnomefreak> FF just wont open at all
[17:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo thats cute :)
[17:22] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:23] <mac_v> gnomefreak: it looks more like a dog ;p
[17:24] <gnomefreak> it does
[17:24]  * mac_v going to warn ASPCA about BUGabundo shearing the poor little fella ;p
[17:25] <BUGabundo> its not mine
[17:25] <BUGabundo> mine is alllll black
[17:35]  * gnomefreak not seeing anything i finished
[17:37] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: mac_v http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Pets/Petit/
[17:53] <mac_v> BUGabundo: lol > this looks like the intro of the evil dude in a slasher movie >  http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Pets/Petit/20090809180849.jpg.php
[17:54] <mac_v> ;p
[18:18] <gnomefreak> well tht explains why i dont see the packages i finished. the changelog was chnaged to someone else :(
[18:21] <gnomefreak> for motu app its nice to have the changelog in the applicatants name
[21:48] <EruditeHermit> hi, does anyone know where I can get gnash 0.8.6?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> !info gnash
[21:49] <BUGabundo> humm on some PPA??
[21:49] <BUGabundo> cause if Karmic doesn't have, we don't have :)
[21:49] <BUGabundo> you could file for a sync request
[21:50] <BUGabundo> but its to late in the game EruditeHermit
[21:50] <BUGabundo> EruditeHermit: https://launchpad.net/~gnash/+archive/ppa has it
[21:50] <BUGabundo> 0.8.6-0ubuntu1
[21:53] <EruditeHermit> ah
[21:53] <EruditeHermit> nice
[21:53] <EruditeHermit> BUGabundo, I talked to asac last week and he said he was going to do it by friday/saturday
[21:54] <EruditeHermit> BUGabundo, but he isn't here =(
[21:54] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:54] <BUGabundo> no idea where he went
[21:55] <BUGabundo> very unusual
[21:55] <EruditeHermit> yeah
[21:55] <EruditeHermit> I was looking for him yesterday
[21:55] <EruditeHermit> he usually is on here all the time
[21:55] <EruditeHermit> he told me to remind him
[21:56] <BUGabundo> no
[21:56] <BUGabundo> he is not
[21:56] <BUGabundo> his NICK is :)
[21:57] <EruditeHermit> well yeah
[21:57] <EruditeHermit> =p
[22:02] <EruditeHermit> ok
[22:02] <EruditeHermit> brb
[22:02] <EruditeHermit> thanks BUGabundo
[22:02] <BUGabundo> np
[22:42] <fta> BUGabundo or someone: i need to test something on chromium but not karmic
[22:43] <fta> (i only have karmic here)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> karmic only
[22:43] <BUGabundo> or lucil lol
[22:43] <BUGabundo> nothing stable on my system
[22:43] <BUGabundo> nor even on my android
[22:43] <BUGabundo> nor even work PC :) debian unstable
[22:44] <BUGabundo> fta: what is it ?
[22:44] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=23362
[22:45] <BUGabundo> never seen it
[22:45] <BUGabundo> you can try #ubuntu-bugs
[22:45] <BUGabundo> or just #ubuntu
[22:45] <BUGabundo> but that prob would just  kill you :9
[22:46] <BUGabundo> try !chrome or !chromium on identica
[22:59] <fta> *sigh*


[12:10] <mck182> hi, while trying the nvidia drivers from xorg-edgers ppa, I'm getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" - is this known on 13.10?
[12:10] <mck182> I'm on kubuntu, added the repo via add-apt-repository
[12:11] <mlankhorst> might need to run apt-get update again
[12:11]  * mck182 tries
[12:11] <mck182> aha
[12:12] <mck182> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4F191A5A8844C542
[12:12] <tjaalton> you need to import the key
[12:12] <tjaalton> or just ignore it
[12:13] <mck182> I thought the key is imported automatically :O
[12:13] <mck182> tjaalton: how do I import it then?
[12:13] <mck182> I'd rather have signed stuff running here ;)
[12:14] <tjaalton> use apt-add-repository..
[12:14] <mck182> that's what I did
[12:15] <tjaalton> it should import the key
[12:15] <mck182> that's what I thought
[12:15] <tjaalton> does 'apt-key list' show it?
[12:16] <mck182> no, it gives me... "gpg: fatal: /home/mck182/.gnupg: directory does not exist!" ...?
[12:17] <mck182> (it does really not exist)
[12:17] <mck182> that doesn't sound right
[12:17] <mck182> shadeslayer: ^
[12:17] <tjaalton> no it doesn't
[12:17] <tjaalton> your environment is messed up somehow
[12:19] <mck182> it's moreless a default install
[12:20] <tjaalton> it shouldn't look there
[12:20] <tjaalton> you ran apt-key list?
[12:20] <tjaalton> not gpg-key?
[12:20] <mck182> yes
[12:20] <shadeslayer> I thought it looks in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[12:20] <tjaalton> does here
[12:21] <mck182> it does too
[12:21] <mck182> according to strace
[12:21] <tjaalton> (and no gkg-key, but gpg --list-keys)
[12:21] <mck182> I'm running "apt-key list"
[12:21] <tjaalton> ok run it as root then
[12:22] <mck182> that's different
[12:22] <tjaalton> repro'd here
[12:22] <mck182> couple Ubuntu keys
[12:22] <mck182> ok hold on
[12:22] <tjaalton> by moving .gnupg out
[12:22] <mck182> http://paste.kde.org/p59a3254c
[12:23] <tjaalton> anyway, the import failed for some reason, works here
[12:25] <mck182> yeah, I got that :)
[12:25] <mck182> can I import it manually?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:26] <mck182> tell me
[12:27] <shadeslayer> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware
[12:27] <shadeslayer> mck182: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys KEYS
[12:27] <shadeslayer> where KEYS is the thing that you copy over from the PPA page
[12:29] <mck182> shadeslayer: the whole thing? with deb...saucy main?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> no
[12:29] <shadeslayer> see the link I posted above
[12:30] <tjaalton> or just remove the sources.list.d file and reimport using apt-add-repository..
[12:32] <mck182> shadeslayer: yup, that worked
[12:32] <mck182> thank you guys
[12:35] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:17] <mlankhorst> Prf_Jakob: hey can you make a new xserver-xorg-video-vmware release some time soon? :)
[14:17] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: sure :)
[14:18] <Prf_Jakob> We might want to bump the major with the XA change.
[14:18] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: oh which XA version are you guys on?
[14:18] <mlankhorst> mesa 10 soon
[14:18] <mlankhorst> so the major bump
[14:18] <Prf_Jakob> kay
[14:20] <Prf_Jakob> I'll ask internally what we want to do, either we will just add a bunch of ifdefs in the code or do a old stable and bump the major.
[14:20] <Prf_Jakob> which do you guys prefer or is it all the same?
[14:20] <mlankhorst> well we're going to transition to mesa 10 soon, and we don't need backwards compat
[14:22] <Prf_Jakob> kay
[21:16] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey, do forget to get some love to trusty too ;)
[21:16] <Sarvatt> its all going into trust really really soon :)
[21:16] <ricotz> good then :)