[01:48] <ESphynx> hey guys
[01:48] <ESphynx> micahg xnox ping
[01:48] <micahg> hi ESphynx
[01:49] <ESphynx> hi :) So, finally! I have some time !
[01:49] <micahg> I'll have more Sat night :)
[01:49] <ESphynx> cool... care to tell me real quick though
[01:49] <ESphynx> basically, there are a few bugs that have been fixed... so I'm planning to just go over all commits and isolate everything that is a bug fix
[01:50] <ESphynx> and then test the result... is that basically OK for the SRU?
[01:50] <micahg> ESphynx: well, bug fix + test case in an LP bug
[01:51] <ESphynx> hmm, so I'd have to go and create an LP bug for each?
[01:51] <micahg> usually, it's one issue per bug to track if things go wrong
[01:52] <ESphynx> I see that, but these are bugs that have been fixed upstream :P
[01:54] <micahg> well, presumably if it's being SRUd and doesn't have a microrelease exception, the bug is an annoyance for someone
[01:56] <micahg> they need test cases and must be verified on the packages built in proposed
[01:57] <ESphynx> micahg: well the major bug, as you might recall, is that it doesn't install on 64 bit releases at all
[01:57] <micahg> ESphynx: yeah, that can be cherry picked and should be easy enough to write a test case for :)
[01:57] <ESphynx> but since we're bothering making an SRU, I thought I'd throw in fixes for all the bugs I've ran across since.
[01:58] <ESphynx> (Some of which surely deserving to be fixed)
[01:58] <micahg> sure, as long as it's a minimal fix with little risk and you're willing to do the paperwork, I don't see why not
[02:01] <ESphynx> well, not so set a precedent, but Quantal was the first version including Ecere :P and I don't know how many users started using yet, especially that it wasn't installable on 64 bit and most people install on 64 bit these days :)
[02:02] <ESphynx> and these fixes lower risk more than anything else... Paperwork -- I would like to have a clue what I'm getting into ... Is the size of the paperwork going to proportional to the number of bugfixes I include? ;)
[02:02] <micahg> yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure , see #3
[02:04] <ESphynx> Can I pack these together into 1?
[02:04] <micahg> ESphynx: you can keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions in mind if you think ecere upstream is worthy
[02:05] <ESphynx> regression tests... hope to have these one day ;)
[02:05] <xnox> ESphynx: so do you have the binary package name conflict fix?
[02:06] <ESphynx> xnox: that's what I'm gonna hit first.
[02:06] <ESphynx> xnox: We had determined that it would be up to ecere to be renamed I guess? ;) And not elliptic curves? ;)
[02:06] <xnox> ESphynx: as soon as you have it, shout out. I'll review and sponsor it quickly =) as that's a bit urgent.
[02:07] <ESphynx> I guess that stems from me being in experimental while elliptic curve is in unstable? ;)
[02:07] <xnox> ESphynx: yes, unfortunately =)
[02:07] <ESphynx> ok. xnox I'm starting on that right about now
[02:07] <ESphynx> just wrestling a bit with micahg here to try to get a MRE for Quantal SRU :P
[02:07] <xnox> nah, you won't get MRE that easy.
[02:08] <ESphynx> micahg: a provisional (one-time) MRE really sounds like the best solution to me... Since the main reason is that it's uninstallable on 64 bit...
[02:08] <xnox> SRU is easier. for MRE you need to show an existing string of SRU typically.
[02:08] <micahg> right, and if upstream has no regression tests, that won;t fly
[02:08] <xnox> ESphynx: being uninstallable is savere, just prepare the debdiff and file a regular SRU.
[02:08] <ESphynx> I think I'll just forget about Quantal otherwise.
[02:08] <ESphynx> better luck with Raring.
[02:09] <xnox> fix the clash & I might help you do the SRU for quantal.
[02:09] <ESphynx> I know you guys offer your help (and I greatly appreciate that)
[02:09] <micahg> ESphynx: fair warning, attitudes like that don't encourage others to help...
[02:09] <micahg> (MRE or else...)
[02:09] <ESphynx> micahg: oh, it's not an attitude thing. sorry , didn't mean it that way
[02:10] <micahg> ok :)
[02:10] <ESphynx> micahg: it's just a matter of making the most of my very limited time
[02:10] <ESphynx> micahg: e.g. I would like to get proper 64 bit support going
[02:10] <ESphynx> and when Raring comes out this problem will have magically dissappeared :P
[02:10] <micahg> ESphynx: that's quite understandable, I'd suggest focusing on the high priority bugs and backport a new feature version
[02:11] <ESphynx> (not because of 64 bit suppor t( i hope to get that going too), but because it's already fixed in Raring...
[02:11] <ESphynx> micahg: so, with that in mind, should I still bother with an SRU?
[02:12] <ESphynx> and if so, should I just do the installability one? or should I do one for all the bugs I deem severe?
[02:12] <micahg> yes, especially for the installability issue
[02:13] <micahg> I'd suggest for anything severe
[02:13] <micahg> but your time is yours
[02:13] <micahg> paperwork isn't that bad if you understand the issue at hand
[02:13] <ESphynx> yes... but I do want to try to fit in to the Ubuntu project
[02:14] <ESphynx> but hmm, is that going to be just 1 SRU? or multiple?
[02:14] <micahg> your choice
[02:14] <ESphynx> if it fixes multiple bugs? And I should file multiple issues in LP?
[02:14] <ESphynx> (all associated with the same SRU?)
[02:14] <micahg> multiple bugs, one debdiff (choose which bug and note on the others)
[02:15] <ESphynx> for the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[02:16] <ESphynx> debdiff which fixes this is attached to bug #xxxxxx" -- I see. I'll try to figure that out when I get there.
[02:16] <ESphynx> so... for now, I'm going to create a special branch just for this 'sru' process here
[02:17] <ESphynx> 1 commit per bug fix would be best?
[02:17] <micahg> well, I always suggest that, but you'll want the commits as patches
[02:17] <ESphynx> and I should create the bugs on LP with the information as specified there
[02:17] <ESphynx> as patches?
[02:17] <ESphynx> from?
[02:18] <micahg> patches against the source
[02:18] <ESphynx> meaning the original source?
[02:18] <ESphynx> i.e. one bug fix can't depend over the other, is it?
[02:18] <micahg> well, I mean quilt patches
[02:19] <ESphynx> (that's where stuff gets tricky, I got tons of this already which is why I need to start over again already...)
[02:19] <ESphynx> right the instability fixes I did depends on improvements to the build system
[02:19] <ESphynx> right now*
[02:19] <micahg> yeah, so you'll want a quilt patch for those build system fixes
[02:20] <micahg> and one patch for each fix
[02:20] <ESphynx> well yeah I'm going to try to isolates stuff and make it a single commit
[02:20] <ESphynx> but I was going to do the other fixes as commits on that same branch as well... but you're saying it really should be on the original source?
[02:21] <micahg> branch, sure, source, no, use patches against the source, the patches are stacked one on another
[02:21] <ESphynx> so it's ok is all the bug fixes depends on the previous one?
[02:22] <micahg> yeah, just note which are dependent in case they need to be yanked
[02:22] <ESphynx> k, well I was just saying, but they really sohuld be independent...
[02:23] <ESphynx> so how's that I'm going to isolate important bug fixes (starting with the uninstallability one), and I'll file LP bags for them
[02:23] <ESphynx> and I'll reconvene with you on Saturday evening to see how we can get this moving :)
[02:23] <micahg> depends on what files change in each patch, it might make sense in the way they are stacked
[02:23] <ESphynx> (or just drop you a line so you can take a look at your earliest convenience :))
[02:23] <micahg> sure
[02:24] <ESphynx> well they are going to be stacked in the order of the branch anyways...
[02:24] <ESphynx> k, thanks a lot
[02:25] <ESphynx> xnox: is this going to be a new release for debian?
[02:26] <ESphynx> micahg: Should I also include this package change for Quantal? the libec package needs to be renamed to libecerec or something similar
[02:26] <ESphynx> due to a conflict with the elliptical curve library in debian/unstable :P
[02:27] <micahg> ESphynx: I don't think that conflict exists in quantal
[02:27] <ESphynx> micahg: It doesn't for quantal but will for raring or later?
[02:27] <micahg> yeah
[02:27] <ESphynx> but wouldn't it be best to fix it already?
[02:28] <micahg> sure
[02:28] <xnox> ESphynx: name-change for debian. no need for name-change in quantal. raring will just get a synced package from debian.
[02:28] <micahg> but only raring needs the fix
[02:28] <xnox> ESphynx: so just make a new debian - and i'll sponsor it into debian & sync it into raring.
[02:30] <ESphynx> xnox: should this be a minimal fix or can I just release a mini version with latest?
[02:30] <xnox> ESphynx: new debian can be anything you want =)
[02:30] <xnox> ESphynx: but with name-change fix please ;-)
[02:31] <ESphynx> 'fair enough. then I'll fix a couple things and test it a bit. yes name change fix of course :)
[02:31] <ESphynx> I'll try to get both of these things done by tomorrow!
[02:40] <micahg> ESphynx: don't forget a breaks/replaces on the older version # of libec0  when you do the rename, should make upgrades to raring work fine as well
[02:40] <ESphynx> micahg: where does that go? control file?
[02:41] <micahg> yeah
[02:41] <ESphynx> k, thanks for mentioning ;)
[02:41] <micahg> ESphynx: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[02:42] <ESphynx> ah ok, great
[02:42] <micahg> (that whole page is worth reading)
[02:42] <ESphynx> micahg: the library is still going to be named the same though ... (except a symlink is going to dissappear)
[02:43] <micahg> ESphynx: I thought you were renaming libec0 to not conflict with the otehr thing
[02:43] <ESphynx> micahg: I am... so I'm getting rid of /usr/lib/libec.so*  , but keeping /usr/lib/ec/libec.so
[02:44] <micahg> hrm, I was referring to the binary package
[02:44] <ESphynx> yes , the package is going to get renamed... but the library .so file is going to keep the same name
[02:45] <ESphynx> me and xnox already agreed on a lintian override to silence the warning :P
[02:45] <micahg> that's fine, I was noting the breaks/replaces for the binary rename
[02:45] <micahg> *package
[02:45] <ESphynx> yeah ... will it 'break' though?
[02:46] <ESphynx> (doesn't it just replace?)
[02:48] <micahg> ESphynx: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-breaks for reasoning
[02:49] <ESphynx> k
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <jackyalcine> morning dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> hi jackyalcine
[16:45] <alo21> hi...
[16:47] <alo21> if I download a source which has patches (via pull-debian-source), and I open a file which has a patch, Is the file patched yet when I open the file with gedit?
[16:49] <Laney> alo21: that depends on the patch system in use
[16:49] <Laney> is there a debian/source/format file?
[16:52] <alo21> Laney, yea... 3.0.0
[16:52] <Laney> 3.0 (quilt)?
[16:52] <alo21> yes
[16:52] <Laney> so yes, with that they should be applied
[16:53] <Laney> you should have seen a message to that effect when pull-debian-source extracted the package for you
[16:53] <alo21> Laney, and if there is a dpatch?
[16:53] <alo21> in fact I got that message
[16:53] <Laney> you wouldn't expect to see that in a 3.0 (quilt) package
[16:54] <alo21> Laney, well
[16:54] <alo21> thanks
[16:54] <Laney> but: dpatch apply
[16:55] <alo21> fine
[16:55] <alo21> and during pbuilder --build, all patch are applied. Right?
[16:56] <Laney> yes
[16:56] <Laney> if they're correctly in the series file
[16:58] <alo21> Laney, I have two build logs. One compiled with 'cc -lX11  yeahconsole.o   -o yeahconsole' and failed. another compiled with 'cc  yeahconsole.o   -o yeahconsole -lx11' and succeeded.
[16:59] <alo21> how can I decide the order of the arguments
[21:22] <alo21> hi... I am merging a package, and I would like to edit an existing patch and makes it work on Ubuntu. Can I edit it, or I have to create a new one?
[21:24] <micahg> alo21: it depends, if the patch is pulled from an upstream commit, you'll want to add a new one, if it's Debian only and upstreamable to Debian, you could modify it, otherwise, add a new patch
[21:25] <alo21> micahg, the patch comes from debian, and it edits a makefile. This patch works well on Debian, but not in Ubuntu
[21:27] <alo21> micahg, what is the best thing to do?
[21:27] <micahg> alo21: which package and patch?
[21:28] <alo21> micahg, yeahconsole, patch 50-makefile.patch
[21:28] <micahg> alo21: the patch is wrong, that's probably why it fails on Ubuntu :)
[21:29] <micahg> +LDFLAGS += -lX11 should be LIBS, not LDFLAGS
[21:29] <alo21> micahg, in fact it fails... and I know the solution (is the previous patch)
[21:30] <alo21> micahg, or what you said is OK...
[21:31] <alo21> micahg, Can I directly edit the existing patch?
[21:31] <micahg> yeah, and send the fix to Debian after confirming it still builds there
[21:32] <micahg> that stuff should probably ideally use pkg-config, but if this one change works, we can probably let it be
[21:32] <alo21> micahg, why I should send the fix to debian?
[21:32] <micahg> alo21: it's wrong there too :)
[21:34] <alo21> micahg, so have I to fill in a new bug, or I can get in touch with the Debian Maintainer?
[21:34] <micahg> alo21: file a bug with the fix
[21:34] <alo21> and the fix should be a .patch or a .debdiff?
[21:34] <micahg> after confirming it solves the problem of course :)
[21:35] <micahg> debdiff fixing the .patch I guess
[21:39] <alo21> micahg, Can I edit a patch just with gedit
[21:39] <alo21> ?
[21:40] <micahg> in this case, yes
[21:40] <micahg> you'll want to quilt pop -a first
[21:44] <alo21> micahg, what happens to wiki.ubuntu.com? A lot of pages seems no exist
[21:45] <Laney> probably https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036384.html
[21:50] <micahg> so he deprecated the whole wiki? :D
[21:54] <alo21> ahahah
[22:19] <alo21> micahg, thanks!


[04:42] <Berlyn> What kernel version is 20.04.3 at currently? Is it on par with the latest 21.04?
[04:45] <toddc> Berlyn: 5.11.0-34-generic for 20.04.3  I assume that 21.04 in newer but not looked yet
[04:46] <toddc> Berlyn: google says 21.04 uses 5.11
[04:49] <Berlyn> Thanks toddc
[06:51] <ducasse> morning folks
[06:51] <alkisg> o/
[08:43] <neurochrome> Hey folks! I've got a weird issue, which seems to be down to a missing package (maybe).  I'm on Ubuntu 18.04, I had to upgrade from the 4 series kernel to the 5 series kernel due to a breakage with my system and nvidia.  5 works fine, but every new kernel install results in a broken boot state, and I need to install additional packages to get it to boot.
[08:43] <neurochrome> So for the latest kernel on my system (5.4.0-84) I was missing the linux-signatures-nvidia-5.4.0-84-generic package.
[08:44] <neurochrome> What package do I need to install to ensure that the next version of this is installed with the newer kernel?
[08:56] <Hanumaan> applied netplan in 20.04 but it is taking the values although configuration does not complain for eth1 : https://pastebin.com/cbpAYvvx what could be the reason?
[09:09] <ogra> Hanumaan, do you have any other files in /etc/netplan ? als, is that a server with network-manager installed ?
[09:09] <ogra> *also
[09:10] <ogra> (see https://netplan.io/ ... "renderer: NetworkManager" effectivey hands over the managment to NM)
[09:19] <Hanumaan> ogra there is another file 50-cloud-init.yaml
[09:19] <ogra> well, with any content ?
[09:21] <Hanumaan> ogra, updated the paste : https://pastebin.com/cbpAYvvx
[09:24] <ogra> Hanumaan, so do you have network-manager installed there or why did you pick it as a renderer ? that will definitely make it default to DHCP unless you set up the device in netwrok-manager to be static (again, see the netplan.io frontpage)
[09:28] <Hanumaan> ogra, ok wonderful got that after removing the renderer ..
[09:28] <ogra> great
[09:38] <eoli3n> Hi
[09:39] <eoli3n> is there any reason why a snap package would not detect nvidia GPU with blender ?
[09:40] <neurochrome> I should probably rephrase that question... how can I ensure that the relevant `linux-signatures-nvidia-*KERNEL_VERSION*-generic` package is automatically installed with a new kernel.  There doesn't appear to be a meta package for this. Any ideas?
[09:47] <EriC^^> neurochrome: you could try a apt-cache rdepends to see what is pulling it in
[09:48] <nikolam> I just wonder, Why, while I am using HD4600 graphics in Intel i5 4570 (Hp 600 G1 twr) , whenever I start some apps whole 24" screen on DP to HDMI output, displays black screen while application is loading and then image comes back on the screen
[09:48] <nikolam> I previously had installed AMD RX480 but I moved to using integrated Intel graphics
[09:57] <neurochrome> Cheers EriC^^
[09:58] <neurochrome> That led me to the following packages: linux-modules-nvidia-470-lowlatency-hwe-18.04 linux-modules-nvidia-470-generic-hwe-18.04
[09:59] <Guest14> Hi
[10:03] <Guest14> I was trying to open port 22 in my ubuntu home desktop using ufw firewall tool but it doesnt open it when i try sshing to the machine? it remains closed. any help please?
[10:04] <eoli3n> Guest14 i will be helpful if you paste the command you used
[10:05] <eoli3n> you are connecting through a local network ?
[10:06] <Guest14> ufw allow 22
[10:06] <Guest14> yes my through my home network
[10:06] <eoli3n> to test if the port is open, on the server machine run "nc -vz localhost 22"
[10:07] <eoli3n> then same from a client "nc -vz $server_ip 22"
[10:07] <eoli3n> if port is open from server itself and from a client, then it should be a problem with you sshd config
[10:08] <Guest14> a question do I have to install open-ssh or only ssh will do ?
[10:09] <Hanumaan> what is the default network manager in ubuntu-xenial-16.04 and ubuntu-focal-20.04 and 21.04?
[10:09] <Guest14> the port i am sure is not open even after adding the ufw rule
[10:09] <Hanumaan> is it NetworkManager or networkd?
[10:09] <eoli3n> Guest14 what does give ufw status
[10:10] <Guest14> it shows the allowed ports
[10:10] <eoli3n> state is active ?
[10:10] <eoli3n> test nc commands that i gave you
[10:11] <eoli3n> "Guest14: the port i am sure is not open even after adding the ufw rule", test it
[10:11] <eoli3n> testing a port, is not testing a server
[10:12] <eoli3n> from the client "nc -vz $serverip 22"
[10:12] <Guest14> i am not connected to the server now, i will try it when i go home. thank you
[10:12] <eoli3n> from the client(!)
[10:13] <eoli3n> the one you use to connect with ssh
[10:13] <eoli3n> oh ok, i get it
[10:13] <eoli3n> you're not at home, so you're not trying to connect in a local network
[10:13] <eoli3n> ?
[10:13] <Guest14> yes the problem is i have dynamic public ip at home, i need to make it static first
[10:14] <eoli3n> that's not "local network"
[10:14] <eoli3n> did you open the port on your box
[10:14] <eoli3n> ?
[10:14] <eoli3n> you need to forward port 22 to the local ip of you server
[10:14] <eoli3n> on your router*
[10:16] <Guest14> yes that i did in my home router , port 22 is forwarded to my machine. I would like to know how ports are supposed to get opend, is it from the server itself or the router ?
[10:17] <eoli3n> run the command i gave you
[10:17] <eoli3n> instead of "ssh user@server" use "nc -vz server 22"
[10:19] <eoli3n> a port needs to be 1° forwarded from wanip to local ip, 2° allowed in you host firewall, 3° listened by a ssh server
[10:21] <eoli3n> you should also protect yourself from bruteforce with "fail2ban", just install the package and enable/start the service
[10:21] <eoli3n> 22 port opened directly on internet is honey for attackers
[10:22] <eoli3n> in the sshd_config, you should not "permit-root-login", and allow only key authentication
[10:23] <eoli3n> changing the default port will reduce a lot the number of attack attempts
[10:25] <Guest14> ok thank you
[10:46] <varaindemian> what can I install if I am on Ubuntu 21.04? https://www.fortinet.com/support/product-downloads/linux
[10:47] <varaindemian> I mean I have this option for 20.04 `deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.fortinet.com/repo/6.4/ubuntu/ /bionic multiverse`
[10:47] <varaindemian> but what about 21.04?
[10:48] <_________> openfortivpn maybe
[10:53] <Hanumaan>  I have set /etc/network/interfaces but the ip was not showing with "ip a" after I have done netplan it was showing what does it mean? actually this is in Ubuntu 20.04
[10:58] <Hanumaan> is ifupdown by default installed in Ubuntu-20.04?
[11:02] <varaindemian> anyone?
[11:20] <ogra> varaindemian, apt-cache search fortinet ... that should list a bunch of clients that are already maintained in the archive
[11:20] <wwwi> hello
[11:20] <wwwi> I am improving my linux administration/Ubuntu skills
[11:20] <wwwi> so, I am doing various tasks
[11:21] <wwwi> I created a user, a shared folder, installed an ssh server
[11:21] <wwwi> what else  can I do?
[11:30] <varaindemian> ogra: nothing related to forticlient
[11:32] <tarzeau_> wwwi: install a webserver? add cgi support? give users possibility to use ~/public_html ?
[11:33] <tarzeau_> wwwi: create more users? learn rsync?
[11:33] <ogra> varaindemian, huh ? i doubt they have been dropped since 20,04 ... there are network-manager integrations, an openfortivpn package etc etc if you look in an LTS (20.04) install
[11:34] <varaindemian> ogra: I want the client
[11:35] <ogra> $ apt-cache search fortinet|grep client
[11:35] <ogra> openfortivpn - Fortinet client for PPP+SSL VPN tunnel services
[11:36] <ogra> (or use network-manager-fortisslvpn for desktop integration)
[11:36] <varaindemian> ogra: can I just add `deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.fortinet.com/repo/6.4/ubuntu/ /bionic multiverse` with `/hairsute` instead of `/bionic`?
[11:37] <ogra> varaindemian, no idea, if you trust fortinet enough to give them full root access to your machines ... and if they offer an actual hirsute archive (seems they do not), it migth work
[11:39] <ogra> i'D just go with the packages from the ubuntu archive
[11:39] <varaindemian> ogra: hmm why would i not trust them?
[11:40] <ogra> dunno, i wouldnt give random people full root acces to my machines ...
[11:40] <ogra> but up to you ... though i dont think they even offer builds for non-LTS releases at all ... so this is moot anyway
[11:44] <wwwi> tarzeau_, thank you for the suggestions
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:36] <wwwi> hello
[12:36] <wwwi> what is the Public folder about?
[12:37] <tarzeau_> wwwi: people that have $HOME/public_html get automatically a webpage at yoursite/~username
[12:43] <wwwi> tarzeau_, I see, thank you
[12:44] <BadKarma> Hi
[13:04] <watchcatss> hell9
[13:04] <watchcatss> jsjska
[13:38] <letterrip> hi all - any idea why kernel 5.11.0-34 would not detect usb devices but 5.11.0-31 would?
[13:39] <letterrip> also any idea why my usb devices might be getting less power with these kernels vs 4.x series?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> letterrip: we currently have a lot of bugs regarding 5.11, you might wanna browse around the latest added kernel bugs to see if your issue is amongst them
[13:40] <letterrip> k
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> letterrip: you can also share your dmesg in a pastebin, so volunteers can take a long for you for a deeper investigation
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> *look
[13:40] <letterrip> ok - i didn't see anything obvious in dmesg
[13:40] <letterrip> but I'm fairly ignorant about it :)
[13:41] <letterrip> where is the bug tracker for the kernel located?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> lemme arrange you a link letterrip
[13:41] <letterrip> ty
[13:42] <letterrip> note that the debian distro has the same issue with the kernel
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> letterrip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[13:42] <letterrip> so it isn't ubuntu specific (dual booting w bullseye)
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> interesting letterrip
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> bug #1939222 here's a displayport issue over usb bug letterrip but not sure related to yours yet
[13:51] <letterrip> lotuspsychje, seems most similar to this ancient bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1291969
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah but thats an older bug letterrip
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> we need some that are 5.11 specific as in your issue
[13:52] <letterrip> yes - hence my statement of ancient :)
[13:52] <letterrip> I'm guessing it is the same breakage mechanism
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> try to share your dmesg letterrip so volunteers might find something
[13:52] <letterrip> yep
[13:52] <letterrip> will do
[13:52] <letterrip> pretty sure it is a power management issue
[14:33] <shah519> hey hey
[15:22] <noarb> is there a way to exclude files or types from the dash file search? When I enter in "Type to Search" i get a lot of characters (probably a font installation?) that I won't be searching for in the dash
[15:40] <clay> good morning everyone!
[15:43] <ioria> noarb, i guess you have 2 choices : 1) via the System Settings 2)  a gnome extension ( https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3956/gnome-fuzzy-app-search/ )
[15:54] <noarb> ioria: oh great, I didn't know there was an option for filetype in the system settings. That fixed it!
[15:55] <ioria> ok
[17:16] <szindzeks> hello? does this work?
[17:16] <Mathisen> szindzeks, yep
[17:17] <pavlos> what is "this"?
[17:17] <szindzeks> yay
[17:17] <szindzeks> it's my first time using irc and i didn't know if i connected correctly
[17:17] <pavlos> welcome
[17:19] <szindzeks> i have a problem - i forgot my windows password. i know a how to changing using ubuntu, but the problem is that NTFS volume is mounting in read only mode, because windows is hibernated. I want to either force-mount it to rw mode or to somehow fully shutdown windows. can you help me with some of that?
[17:20] <szindzeks> omg my english is so bad
[17:20] <szindzeks> i know how to change it*
[17:20] <Mathisen> szindzeks, just a tip you dont need linux to reset the password
[17:20] <szindzeks> how can i do that?
[17:20] <leftyfb> szindzeks: that is a Windows issue. You need to boot into Windows and tell it to reboot, TWICE. Do not hibernate it.
[17:21] <leftyfb> Mathisen: feel free to help szindzeks with resetting the password without using ubuntu in #windows
[17:21] <Mathisen> leftyfb, yep
[17:22] <Mathisen> szindzeks, as leftyfb said join #windows and i help you with that
[17:24] <szindzeks> when i type "/join #windows" it joins me to #windows-please-register
[17:24] <leftyfb> !register | szindzeks
[17:27] <TheBigK> is there a good howto out there to recompile a specific kernel module and sign it for secure boot?
[17:36] <EriC^^> SzinDzeks: if you reboot windows instead of shutting down it should properly reboot and not hibernate
[17:36] <EriC^^> SzinDzeks: "ntfsfix /dev/sdxY" can remove hibernation as well
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> TheBigK: we usualy advice to not compile own kernels on ubuntu and use the !mainline kernels for testing purposes, but if you wanna help out on other purposes, perhaps talk to the #ubuntu-kernel guys
[18:17] <pi___> test
[18:17] <pi___> hey!
[18:18] <el> hi, do you have a question for the support channel?
[18:18] <pi___> no, is this the support channel?
[18:18] <ogra> yes, can we help you ?
[18:19] <pi___> i'm sorry where is the chat room
[18:19] <el> it is. you can see what channels are about by doing /topic where you type chats
[18:19] <ogra> there are #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss
[19:05] <timvisher> Is there any way to debug slow connectivity to apt repositories? I'm assuming there isn't a general problem with that right now?
[19:06] <leftyfb> timvisher: try a different mirror
[19:07] <sarnold> timvisher: you could bust out mtr to the IP addresses that you're contacting and see if you can spot a lossy / slow / route or something similar
[19:08] <timvisher> leftyfb: That's a good idea. Is there IP based rate limiting or anything involved here? Essentially I'm seeing intermittent issues with a building a docker image that does an apt install but I can only reproduce it (intermittently) in CircleCI.
[19:08] <timvisher> (The mirror).
[19:09] <timvisher> I'm also not sure whether it's really apt or something wider. I just observed 50 k/s to install the microk8s snap.
[19:09] <jpmh> I want to communicate between two servers.  Sort of ideally I would have a pipe, where one sits and waits for input from the other.  I would like to avoid writing my own sockets code.  I tried mounting using sshfs and inotifywait but the latter does not get triggered.  Ideas please
[19:11] <leftyfb> timvisher: so now you're saying this is slowness with apt and snap repo's within docker within CircleCI? How is this in any way an issue with ubuntu?
[19:12] <leftyfb> jpmh: communicate for what purpose?
[19:13] <timvisher> leftyfb: I actually don't think it's directly related to ubuntu but how to debug the apt slowness or get more verbose logs about its operations would be.
[19:13] <jpmh> leftyfb: I need another server to receeive information that is provided to the first.  I realize this is a bit vague, but essentially I have used ssh from one to the other and that works well, BUT I would like to avoid the overhead of starting that connection
[19:16] <leftyfb> jpmh: look into rabbitmq
[19:17] <jpmh> leftyfb: TY - will check that out
[19:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey why ssh server so slow
[19:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am using putty and it just glitches on xwindows
[19:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it was not doing that before
[19:28] <sarnold> are you tunnelling X through ssh in order to run putty? I'm confused what you're doing..
[19:30] <leftyfb> wtf?  putty, xwindows, ssh?
[19:30] <sarnold> I heard there's a putty that runs on linux
[19:30] <leftyfb> there is
[19:30] <leftyfb> put still
[19:32] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: are you really trying to X forward an application running on an Ubuntu machine to a Windows machine using putty and xwindows(Cygwin)?
[19:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am trying to use putty on windows to get to ubuntu server
[19:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I was unclear
[19:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it was not lagging
[19:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> last time I used it
[19:33] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: why did you mention "glitches on xwindows"?
[19:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> forwarding for gui
[19:34] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: are you really trying to X forward an application running on an Ubuntu machine to a Windows machine using putty and xwindows(Cygwin)?
[19:34] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: or are you running putty on Ubuntu?
[19:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> dude I am using xming
[19:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it was working perfectly
[19:34] <leftyfb> ok, same idea
[19:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ...
[19:35] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> whatever
[19:35] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: it was running perfectly until ....  ?
[19:35] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> idnk
[19:35] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it's windows
[19:35] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it's unpredicatable
[19:35] <leftyfb> !enter | Ronalds_Mazitis_
[19:35] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yesterday I could not record system sounds on it, because something about this sound card was not the thing that audacity would understand
[19:36] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: ok, sounds like you might be having #windows problems
[19:36] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: I really do not think this is related to openssh
[20:59] <Exa> Hi, when looking at the dependencies for the wireguard package for focal, it seems to depend on either wireguard-dkms or wireguard-modules, but I don't see the kernel packages providing wireguard-modules (or the website misses it).  I have a server with wireguard installed and running, it didn't pull the dkms dependency.  What's configured to do that on the APT side?  Thanks.
[21:04] <sarnold> $ apt-cache show linux-image-generic | grep wireguard-modules
[21:04] <sarnold> Provides: virtualbox-guest-modules (= 6.1.26-dfsg-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), wireguard-modules (= 1.0.20201112-1~20.04.1), zfs-modules (= 0.8.3-1ubuntu12.12)
[21:05] <sarnold> Exa: ^^ linux-image-generic and maybe two dozen other packages provide it
[21:05] <goddard> who thought it was a good idea to make the same key you enter the grub menu to be the same key that also drops you into the grub command prompt?
[21:05] <goddard> i wanna smack that person
[21:05] <leftyfb> Exa: do you have linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 installed?
[21:06] <leftyfb> goddard: feel free to file a bug
[21:06] <goddard> leftyfb: with who?
[21:06] <Exa> sarnold: thanks, I see it in dpkg -s linux-image-virtual
[21:06] <leftyfb> !bug | goddard
[21:08] <goddard> leftyfb: that isn't applicable i don't think
[21:08] <leftyfb> goddard: ubuntu-bug grub
[21:08] <goddard> yeah but its not really a bug
[21:08] <goddard> its just a dumb choice
[21:09] <leftyfb> goddard: this is a support channel. Feel free to rant in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <goddard> leftyfb: here https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1943883
[21:38] <ravage> If you boot in bios mode holding shift should work fine to bring up the grub menu
[21:43] <BinarySavior> i booted my laptop into safe mode, enabled networking, it worked, then i booted back into desktop and now my wifi card is not detected
[21:52] <BinarySavior> if i type sudo lshw -c network it shows my card but the first line says *-network UNCLAIMED
[21:52] <BinarySavior> i've tried running ubuntu-drivers install
[21:58] <genii> Find the vendor:device code by running either lsusb, which will show it without special switches, or  lspci -nn   ... the code is the part of the output which looks like 168c:002b   .. once you know the vendor:device  it will help to find out exactly what device it is and what driver it should use
[22:07] <Hash> Is there a reason i am using chromium instead of chrome?
[22:07] <Hash> Chromium is so ridiculous it crashes if you try to upload a file, image, try to link bank to your other site, literally everything makes it crash, I don't mean a tab, like the whole browser just disappears from desktop.
[22:08] <Hash> So infuriating.
[22:08] <Hash> Is there a reliable web browser in Ubuntu I can use that doesn't randomly crash? I'm very angry right now and perhaps I should go do something else. Ugh. In the meantime, I need stability in Ubuntu.
[22:09] <Hash> 20.04 has not proven to be stable. Randomly things just crash and I lose data.
[22:09] <leftyfb> Hash: work with people here to troubleshoot your chromium issue or use firefox or chrome. Pretty sure you already knew this answer though
[22:11] <Hash> Chromium is a snap package, not an ubuntu package. I just discovered
[22:12] <Hash> leftyfb: I've researched this issue and many people have it and no one has ever found a fix. Ever.
[22:12] <Hash> People just give up and move to a diff browser.
[22:12] <leftyfb> Hash: I've been using google chrome for years without issue
[22:12] <Hash> I'm not just telling you here in frustration the first time it happens.
[22:13] <Hash> If it happens once. Ok, might have been a fluke. Happens twice, sure, I could still be imagnining things. If it happens countless times, it's not me.
[22:13] <Hash> once again, chromium is not chrome.
[22:13] <leftyfb> Hash: ok, then use chrome
[22:14] <Hash> Is it packaged for ubuntu?
[22:14] <Guest37__> akaWolf а чо я на ру заюанен?
[22:14] <Hash> Do I get it from google instead?
[22:14] <leftyfb> Hash: you get google chrome from http://google.com/chrome
[22:14] <leftyfb> !ru | TomFarr
[22:15] <TomFarr> ubottu I understand it but some thing going wrong. I'm banned
[22:15] <TomFarr> and don't know why
[22:15] <leftyfb> TomFarr: you are banned from #ubuntu-ru ?
[22:16] <TomFarr> Yeah...
[22:16] <TomFarr> but i dont understand why
[22:16] <leftyfb> TomFarr: feel free to ask for help in #libera
[22:16] <Hash> Alright
[22:17] <Hash> So, I have chromium -> google-chrome in .config
[22:18] <Hash> Interesting.
[22:18] <Hash> So when I tried to try out the chromium browser (which i've beeno n for like a year or more now)
[22:18] <Hash> I made a symlink from chromium to my chrome dir
[22:18] <leftyfb> don't
[22:18] <Hash> So now if I just install chrome again, I think it will pick it up
[22:18] <leftyfb> Hash: start fresh
[22:18] <Hash> Oh no no no.
[22:18] <leftyfb> export bookmarks if you need to
[22:19] <Hash> Then i'd rather just deal with chromium's crashing and use chrome for what doesn't crash.
[22:19] <Hash> I can't go through logging in dozens of 2FA in another browser
[22:19] <Hash> That's just entirely too painful.
[22:20] <leftyfb> Hash: one of the major benefits of google chrome over chromium is being able to sync all of that with google online. I can wipe all of ~/.config/google-chrome, start chrome, login to google and get everything back
[22:21] <Hash> Oh yeah that's helpful and sync'd too, but things don't just xfer. Sites will require you to sign in again.
[22:21] <Hash> Cookies, logged in data, noone of that goes along with sync.
[22:21] <Hash> Only credentials.
[22:22] <Hash> No, you cannot share cookies across web browsers. At present, there are no services that synchronizes cookies just like how bookmarks are synchronized.
[22:23] <Hash> Oh that was a quote from a googly site.
[22:23] <leftyfb> Hash: good luck
[22:23] <Hash> Thanks man
[22:46] <BinarySavior> if i want to back up my home directory but exclude recursively all projects/[project name]/venv dirs how can i do that
[22:50] <BinarySavior> it might be better to use exclude-tag-all and just place a tag file in all directories where i dont want to back up
[22:51] <Bashing-om> BinarySavior: Take a loog at ' man rsync ' - My use case ' sudo mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt/look/ ; rsync -aiv --exclude=".*" --exclude uwn /home/sysop/ /mnt/look/files/ ; sudo umount /mnt/look/ ' .
[22:51] <Bashing-om> look*
[22:54] <Bashing-om> BinarySavior: ^ if ya have a lot to exclude - rsync can read a external exludes file.
[23:32] <arooni> hi everyone;  after a restart will an app installed via flatpak get picked up on the launcher?
[23:32] <leftyfb> !flatpak | arooni
[23:32] <leftyfb> arooni: flatpak isn't officially supported on ubuntu
[23:33] <matsaman> I wouldn't think even something as silly as flatpak would require a full restart, for any purpose
[23:33] <arooni> :oh sad face
[23:33] <coz_> flatpak rules but not on ubunru %(
[23:33] <sarnold> I wouldn't be surprised if you have to drag an icon from one place to another
[23:33] <matsaman> lawl
[23:34] <sarnold> there's only so much space on a launcher, right?
[23:35] <coz_> arooni, yes as sarnold mentioned, it "should" be listed in the menu after logoff/logon, not sure with ubuntu
[23:37] <coz_> I will have to try this on my ubuntu ssd to see how flatpak functions
[23:38] <matsaman> probably just killing/restarting the launcher would suffice, then
[23:46] <arooni> i hate every pomodoro app i've tried on ubuntu so far
[23:46] <arooni> anyone have any suggestions?
[23:47] <matsaman> what's a pomodoro app?
[23:47] <arooni> gnome-pomodoro has bugs and can't remember sessions;  matsaman : a tool for helping one focus; the idea is to work 25 minutes or 50 or x at a time
[23:47] <arooni> for deep work ; with no distractions; and you dont get to count it unless you were able to complete the time without distraction
[23:48] <matsaman> does it just tell you when to stop doing "deep work" and when to start again?
[23:56] <[itchyjunk]> Hi i had a bit of a convoluted question. I waned to install "qemu riscv". The instruction i am following said `sudo apt-get install qemu` should do it. i did `sudo apt install qemu` but `qemu-system-riscv*` doesn't exist for me. (i've asked in #qemu and waited 8 hours). Do you think i need to download tar and make it myself?
[23:58] <sarnold> [itchyjunk]: try installing qemu-system-misc
[23:58] <sarnold> [itchyjunk]: the apt-cache show qemu-system-misc  output looks promising
[23:58] <[itchyjunk]> ah! will try thanks!


[12:56] <hugo> how to activate sound and localdevs in ltsp?
[12:57] <paolob-parroquia>  Hi guys! I had a hd failure, and I had to restore the hd to a new one from a backuppc backup. I restored all (I think...), but the clients can't boot well, they only arrive at asking an IP. Any idea what do I lack or miss? thank you!
[12:58] <LaserJock> hugo: what version of Edubuntu?
[12:58] <hugo> edgy
[12:58] <LaserJock> paolob-parroquia: maybe try #ltsp, I'm not sure
[12:58] <LaserJock> hugo: and it doesn't work?
[12:58] <LaserJock> I'm assuming :-)
[01:08] <hugo> LaserJock: did not work yet
[01:08] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:08] <hugo> LaserJock: did work with ltsp-4.2 partially
[01:08] <LaserJock> I thought it was supposed to in Edgy
[01:08] <hugo> how is it supposed to work?
[01:08] <hugo> where would i see the device?
[01:09] <hugo> should show up on the desktop, shouldn't it?
[01:09] <LaserJock> it should show up on the client
[01:09] <hugo> ltsp channel is not very communicative by the way
[01:09] <hugo> and sound support?
[01:09] <hugo> what do I need to do?
[01:10] <hugo> would I need to set anything in the lts.conf for local devices?
[01:17] <LaserJock> I don't *think* so but I honestly don't know
[01:17] <LaserJock> hugo: I would try emailing or looking through the edubuntu-users mailing list
[01:26] <hugo> fuse group is the hint I was looking for!
[01:26] <hugo> I have to add the users to fuse group.
[02:01] <pll> Hi, anyone here?
[02:03] <LaserJock> I am, but I don't think that counts for much :-0
[02:03] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[02:05] <pll> I just downloaded the edubuntu install cd and instaled but X doesn't come up.  There's no xf86cfg or any other X11 config utility installed that I can find.  I'm fairly certain it's an X Server config issue though.  Any ideas?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> pll, , what error does it give you?
[02:07] <pll> None, I just get a blank screen on vt7.
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> the tool to reconfigure is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` fyi
[02:07] <pll> the xserver log complains about certain fonts being missing.
[02:09] <pll> I'll try that, things have changed around so much now that x.org is in the picture :)  I'm a UNIX guy from back when monitors would lose their magic smoke if you misconfigured mode lines :)
[02:09] <pll> .
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[02:13] <AmbientMstr> Hmm
[02:13] <AmbientMstr> Oh ew, this ver is for kids.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ....
[02:15] <ajmitch> what an endorsement..
[02:16] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:17] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure what he/she thought it was
[07:42] <hugo_> how can I make user accounts with an uid below 1000 also show up in the gnome user-admin gui? all accounts above uid 499.
[07:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure if that's possible
[07:44] <LaserJock> can you do a "show all users"?
[07:56] <mazzini> hi all, i work in a public school and would to set up a lab with edubuntu... the boxes are networked but there is no connection to internet so i carried a pc to home and i'm using apt-mirror to make a local mirror of edubuntu... i wonder how to make the local mirror available to the other pcs...i guess i have to put /var/spool/apt-mirror/* in a local apache root and made it available or there is a better way?
[07:57] <LaserJock> mazzini: there might be but that seems like a decent way
[07:59] <mazzini> LaserJock: just a question since i am mirroring universe and multiverse i have omitted the deb-src (so it takes only 15Giga...) it's ok?
[07:59] <LaserJock> yeah, you shouldn't need source
[07:59] <mazzini> LaserJock: thnx
[08:09] <faeriexboi> heloo
[08:12] <faeriexboi> i am looking for a little help with setting up an edubuntu server and a guide on how to use School Tool to make schedule system and such for my school.
[08:12] <faeriexboi> if anyone has help then please email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:13] <faeriexboi> ttyl ciao
[12:52] <juliux> hi all
[01:00] <ogra> moin juliux
[01:01] <juliux> hey ogra how cold is it in oslo?
[01:02] <ogra> -4C
[01:03] <juliux> same in dresden;)
[01:04] <willvdl> ogra, how did you type the degree sign
[01:04] <juliux> willvdl, ogra pls check http://diy.devubuntu.com/dump/edubuntu.png
[01:04] <willvdl> ok
[01:04] <ogra> willvdl,
[01:04] <ogra> its left of the 1 on my keyboard ...
[01:05] <ogra> shift+^
[01:05] <willvdl> ogra, I see :)
[01:05] <willvdl> I must map some of my extra keys...
[01:06] <willvdl> juliux, ooh :)
[01:06] <willvdl> is there a copy of the ubuntu sticker spomewhere? want to compare
[01:07] <juliux> willvdl, jenda have to upload the ubuntu one;)
[01:08] <willvdl> eeek. what happened to diy frontpage...
[01:08] <willvdl> juliux, just saw kubuntu one
[01:08] <juliux> http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/ubuntu.png
[01:08] <juliux> that is the ubuntu one
[01:09] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about the sticker?
[01:10] <willvdl> juliux, I like the 3d effect in the ubuntu one. did you do the edubuntu one?
[01:11] <juliux> willvdl, no, its jendas work, but i will order 5000 stickers for germany;)
[01:11] <juliux> willvdl, all over 5000 not 5000 edubuntu;)
[01:11] <willvdl> ok then :)
[01:23] <willvdl> back later
[02:08] <AstralJava> Hi all, I wonder if anyone here has solved a problem in which students and teachers alike can all write to a shared directory, and also delete stuff someone else has written. Is this possible at all without imposing ACLs?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you mean?
[02:10] <peterlyberth> That everyone can delete files in a certain folder?
[02:10] <AstralJava> Meaning I'd want a shared folder which doesn't have any write restrictions.
[02:10] <AstralJava> Yeah.
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you want people to be able to read each tothers work, but not delete the files?
[02:11] <AstralJava> Normal drwxrwxrwx won't inherit into newly created files.
[02:11] <AstralJava> No, they should be able to delete as well as read.
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> you'll need to set some sticky bits (i think). which i dont know
[02:12] <AstralJava> That might work, if all users belonged to a certain group, but that isn't the case here.
[02:13] <AstralJava> So far sticky bit for gid only preserved the file group ownership, but not the rights.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent tried something like that
[02:14] <AstralJava> Okay, thanks anyway. :)
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :(
[02:16] <AstralJava> Not a problem, really. :) Thanks for trying!
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> np. good luck! :)
[02:17] <AstralJava> Thank you again!
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[02:19] <cbx33> Hey all
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey cbx33 :)
[02:42] <cbx33> ogra: TCM update on my blog, will be putting up the bzr release later today
[02:42] <humbolto> how to get NX (freenx) for EDGY?
[02:43] <cbx33> someone commented ogra maybe NX is the way we should go.....
[02:43] <cbx33> brb
[02:43] <ogra> cbx33, *shudder*
[02:43] <cbx33> hehe
[02:43] <cbx33> hopefully that was at the NX comment
[02:43] <cbx33> and not at my release comment ;)
[02:43] <cbx33> hehe
[02:43] <ogra> if *you* want to rewrite NX to be at least basically sane, go ahead ...
[02:43] <ogra> i'm not opposed to include it then
[02:44] <cbx33> no I don't
[02:44] <ogra> currently NX is no option at all
[02:44] <cbx33> so sunday for looking at TCM yeh?
[02:44] <cbx33> I'm basically cooling off development until you've seen it now
[02:44] <ogra> and given upstreams empty promises it wont become an option ...
[02:44] <cbx33> working on the edubuntu book chapter instead
[02:44] <cbx33> ok
[02:44] <cbx33> vnc works fine
[02:45] <ogra> great !
[02:45] <cbx33> and as I said I may write a small server for it for feisty + 1
[02:45] <cbx33> ogra: it all works....but requires as I call it the integration work....making it work well with edubuntu
[02:46] <cbx33> in other words....all the little bits about passwords etc ssh keys and packaging
[02:46] <ogra> ok
[02:47] <ogra> we'll tackle that next week
[02:47] <cbx33> yes
[02:47] <cbx33> I was up at 5:30 this morning again
[02:47] <cbx33> I'm addicted to TCM
[02:48] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/testtcm.png
[02:48] <cbx33> it's looking good
[02:50] <cbx33> brb
[02:56] <humbolto> too bad, just a little to late to join the NX conversation.
[02:58] <humbolto> ogra: By the way, I finished converting my debian sarge + ltsp 4.2 system over to an ubuntu edgy + edubuntu edgy ltsp one.
[02:58] <ogra> humbolto, there is not much to talk about ... as long as upstream NX insists to ship its onwm copy of xorg inside the code we cant support it at all
[02:58] <ogra> humbolto, cool
[02:58] <humbolto> You remember, you told me a lot about ssh in edubuntu ltsp.
[02:58] <ogra> humbolto, there are mirrors with unofficial NX packages for ubuntu tough ...
[02:59] <humbolto> So what is your opinion on NX?
[03:00] <ogra> see above
[03:00] <humbolto> I always ask myself, if it would not be possible to just take the X proxying part and hook it up to the ends of the current ssh tunnel.
[03:00] <humbolto> Which part of NX were you guys refering to?
[03:00] <humbolto> The libs, the freenx thing or the nomachine version.
[03:01] <ogra> the backend code links to an internal copy of libX
[03:01] <ogra> thats not supportable
[03:02] <humbolto> in which part?
[03:02] <humbolto> the libs itself link to the internal libX copy?
[03:02] <ogra> all of the
[03:03] <ogra> *them
[03:03] <cbx33> what y athink ogra....tcm lookin good?
[03:03] <humbolto> So it would be necessary to untie them in order to make maintaining the code easier.
[03:03] <ogra> yep
[03:03] <humbolto> tcm?
[03:04] <ogra> humbolto, yes, and thats something ustream promises since 2.5 years ...
[03:04] <cbx33> thin client manager
[03:04] <ogra> but they didnt do anything about it yet
[03:04] <humbolto> cbx33: this is what was outlined as the ltsp-manager in the specs?
[03:04] <ogra> cbx33, for consistency make it "Screen View" or "Process Viewer"
[03:05] <ogra> and i dont like that blank and unblank have the same icon ... they should be distinctive ...
[03:05] <ogra> also my old vnc button should be dropped from the process view
[03:06] <ogra> its redundant
[03:07] <cbx33> ok
[03:10] <humbolto> cbx33: I was always wondering why NX did not make it into the big distros yet. ogra just mentioned the libX issue to me.
[03:11] <humbolto> cbx33: Is my assumption correct, that you don't like NX having it's own copy of libX, because that way, you depend on them to fix libX problems in their copy, while if it would depend on the xorg version, there would be less code to maintain?
[03:12] <humbolto> And as a result more security.
[03:12] <humbolto> Or is NXes libX just too old and broken?
[03:12] <cbx33> tbh humbolto I'm not too hot on that, ogra will be able to answer that question
[03:12] <cbx33> I just used vnc as it was in the spec for TCM
[03:13] <cbx33> and....well....it works
[03:14] <humbolto> are these the specs? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[03:14] <cbx33> no
[03:14] <cbx33> hang on
[03:15] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelSpec
[03:15] <cbx33> is the latest spec
[03:15] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
[03:15] <cbx33> is my blog on the update
[03:18] <humbolto> incredible! you guys impress me again every day!
[03:19] <humbolto> this is exactly what a teacher wishes for!
[03:19] <humbolto> will this already be available in feisty?
[03:21] <ogra> its already in edgy
[03:21] <ogra> just not as functional as the feisty one
[03:21] <humbolto> the next feature certainly will be audio support (to have voice instead of text chat)
[03:22] <humbolto> I had a glance at what is already available in edgy
[03:22] <ogra> ltsp-manager will be in feisty as well ... as soon as https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp will be approved by the archive admins i'll start redesigning the frontend
[03:22] <humbolto> one more thing concerning SSH. you remember, we were talking about performance on old old machines?
[03:23] <humbolto> I had some 166mmx p1 machines in there.
[03:24] <humbolto> Well, they did not perform very well, I unfortunately have to report.
[03:25] <humbolto> I replaced them with faster machines and kept part of them to run on ltsp-4.2 XDMCP still.
[03:25] <humbolto> I hope I can use them again with edubuntu ltsp once the no-encryption ssh thing is available.
[03:26] <humbolto> but for now, this is a little drawback
[03:27] <humbolto> ogra: I did not understand completely how the ssh tunneling works right now. Would you answer me some questions which came up, when I was thinking about that a bit?
[03:28] <humbolto> ogra: what is the ssh key file used for?
[03:28] <humbolto> ogra: are the thin clients establishing a connection prior to login?
[03:29] <juliux> humbolto, how much ram have your old computers?
[03:33] <humbolto> 64 mb
[03:33] <juliux> perhaps you can add more ram
[03:33] <juliux> i have some pcs with the geode cpu and only 200mhz but with 256mb ram they are realy fast
[03:33] <humbolto> this is more a processor thing I am afraid, since the clients have to do the ssh decryption
[03:33] <ogra> no, its likely a ram thing ...
[03:33] <humbolto> really?
[03:33] <ogra> with 64M the clients will start swapping
[03:33] <ogra> that slows down everything
[03:33] <cbx33> yup
[03:33] <humbolto> I thought I don't need any ram anyway
[03:33] <cbx33> and that's never good ;)
[03:33] <ogra> you could disable features to avoid the swapping
[03:33] <humbolto> since only the kernel and x is running there basically
[03:33] <ogra> local device support and sound are eating some memory
[03:33] <humbolto> is swapping enabled automatically?
[03:33] <humbolto> I did not see any swap exports
[03:33] <ogra> X takes some as well ... but thats soething you cant avoid
[03:33] <ogra> swap is enabled automatically in edubuntu edgy ...
[03:33] <ogra> s/in/since/
[03:33] <humbolto> but why did they perform so well with ltsp-42?
[03:33] <cbx33> ogra if I start writing my chapter for feisty edubuntu with the herd cd as it is, should that be a good indication
[03:33] <humbolto> how much ram is sufficient then?
[03:33] <antoniou> hello everyone
[03:33] <humbolto> I thought the thing works with 24mb now (just with swapping probably).
[03:33] <antoniou> hello ogra
[03:33] <ogra> humbolto, if sbalneav is around, ask him for the ssh server package that works with encryption=none ... i know he has such a package ... it might speed up
[03:33] <ogra> hey antoniou
[03:33] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I had to reinstall the edubuntu server due to a hd crash, all is going quite well, but I still have a problem: some client boot well, otros stop with a Busybox shell saying: "/bin/sh/: can't access tty; job control turned off", and waiting for a command. Any hint what could be the reason? thank you!
[03:33] <ogra> humbolto, 64M work fine without extra features ...
[03:34] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, seems your clients cant mount the nfs root
[03:34] <humbolto> extra features like ltspfs and sound?
[03:35] <ogra> right
[03:35] <humbolto> concerning the ssh-keys, the once I generate with ltsp-update-sshkeys
[03:35] <ogra> ltspfs needs some space for caching etc ...
[03:35] <humbolto> what are theys keys used for?
[03:36] <ogra> for the ssh handshake if you log in
[03:36] <paolob-parroquia> ogra: could be that, in the other console it says: "mount: NFS mount failed: bad file descriptor", and keeps on with various "no such file or directory" referring to various mounting
[03:36] <ogra> if you ssh on comandline you get this yes/no question weather to accept the connection or not ...
[03:36] <humbolto> but I can't access the keys via nfs and get access to the server with them alone?
[03:36] <ogra> if yu  answer it with yes the server key is stored locally ...
[03:37] <humbolto> I understand
[03:37] <ogra> ltsp-update-sshkeys does exactly that
[03:37] <ogra> so the question doesnt come up
[03:37] <humbolto> Thought it is used for auth to get some pre login connection
[03:37] <ogra> nope
[03:37] <humbolto> great
[03:37] <ogra> its only to prevent that question
[03:38] <humbolto> and the none-enc ssh server. what if somebody form the WAN wan
[03:38] <humbolto> wants to log on with enc none?
[03:38] <ogra> the ssh server has an option to override that ... but it makes the conection insecure, so we went the way of copying the key into the client environment
[03:38] <humbolto> can I forbid that?
[03:38] <ogra> no
[03:38] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I rm'ed the ltsp tree and rerun ltsp-build-client, where could be located the problem?
[03:38] <ogra> if he has a bvalid user account he can log in as on every other open ssh server
[03:39] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, surely on your nfs server
[03:39] <humbolto> and choose which enc to use (as long as it is allowed on the server)
[03:39] <ogra> check if its running and if you can mount /opt/ltsp from it
[03:39] <ogra> (from another workstation)
[03:40] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, it's running, and it restarts without problems
[03:40] <cbx33> ogra: do we have a documented troubleshooting document for LTSP/NFS problems?
[03:40] <cbx33> I was thinking of adding a section for it into the edubuntu chapter
[03:41] <ogra> cbx33, that would be nice ...
[03:41] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, in /etc/exports I have "/opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)"
[03:41] <paolob-parroquia> is it ok?
[03:41] <ogra> there is a doc on the ltsp wiki, please chack that as well
[03:41] <ogra> about package size ...
[03:41] <cbx33> ok
[03:41] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, yep perfect
[03:41] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, reinstalling some package?
[03:41] <ogra> can you use a workstation in the same network and try to mount it from there ?
[03:42] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, ??
[03:42] <cbx33> ogra, I'm sorry I'm having to ask you about lot's of stuff for this chapter ;)
[03:42] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I wonder if reinstalling nfs package could help me...
[03:42] <ogra> nope
[03:42] <humbolto> I would like to help with documentation for this project. Is there a wiki page I could contribute too?
[03:42] <paolob-parroquia> ogra but the strange thing is that 3 of the 40 client boot well...
[03:43] <cbx33> paolob-parroquia: trying mounting from another machine manually
[03:43] <cbx33> that always helps me
[03:43] <ogra> humbolto, willvdl coordinates most of the doc stuff
[03:43] <humbolto> tnx
[03:45] <cbx33> humbolto: some docs on how you manage to get it working well on 64Mb machines will be great once you've done them ;)
[03:45] <humbolto> Short doc. Put in more RAM.
[03:45] <humbolto> Will 128 do?
[03:45] <cbx33> haha
[03:45] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, try adding: "MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048" to the kernel line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[03:45] <humbolto> What is a sufficient size with all services enabled (no local apps)
[03:45] <humbolto> sound, ltspfs (printing)
[03:45] <ogra> 128 should be fine
[03:45] <cbx33> ogra: what's that for....i could add it to the trouble shooting guide
[03:45] <humbolto> vnc access from the student-control-panel
[03:46] <ogra> cbx33, packaetsize of nfs packages ...
[03:46] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I did it, what service must I restart
[03:46] <paolob-parroquia> ?
[03:46] <ogra> on busy networks it can prevent timeouts
[03:46] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, the thin client
[03:47] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, ok, let me see
[03:47] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[03:47] <ogra> anyway, i need to do some work now ...
[03:47] <ogra> nuff support ...
[03:47] <cbx33> *bah*
[03:48] <cbx33> ogra: I am going to need to tap your brain at some point
[03:48] <cbx33> after sunday ;)
[03:48] <ogra> yes
[03:48] <ogra> mdz will get angry if i spend all the time they felw me to oslo with support ...
[03:48] <ogra> *flew
[03:49] <cbx33> you're in oslo now?
[03:49] <cbx33> cool....
[03:49] <cbx33> you get on with it then dude.....
[03:50] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I bit better: some client more booted up...
[03:50] <cbx33> speak to you later ;)
[03:50] <ogra> cbx33, yes until friday and i have to implemet 3 specs til then ... i have done 1/2 yet ... too much chatting ...
[03:51] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, try to raise the values ... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS has more info
[03:51] <cbx33> go go go
[03:54] <paolob-parroquia> ogra,  sudo showmount -e gives "rpc mount export: RPC: Timed out"
[03:59] <paolob-parroquia> ogra: I raised the values to 4096 and 4096, but that's worse: no client is arriving to the graphic login.
[03:59] <peterlyberth> I saw a cheap opteron based server, and thougt it would be great as an Edubuntu server. But opteron is a 64 bit cpu, so wont that give problems with flash and so?
[04:00] <paolob-parroquia> they stop with a "mount: RPC timed out" and "mount: NFS mount failed: bad file descriptor" and the various "no such file or directory"
[04:04] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:07] <peterlyberth> Anyone running edubuntu on a opteron based server?
[04:07] <peterlyberth> Wont the 64 bit cpu eliminate an easy way for the users to ger flash?
[04:10] <peterlyberth> Allo?
[04:13] <bddebian> Heya
[04:15] <peterlyberth> hya
[04:15] <peterlyberth> What kind of cpu would you recommend for at edubuntu server setup?
[04:18] <sbalneav> peterlyberth: Depends.  How many people are you looking to support?
[04:19] <peterlyberth> sbalneav: a small five client setup
[04:20] <sbalneav> For only 5 clients, just about any reasonable desktop machine should work.
[04:20] <sbalneav> High end pentium 3 or Athlon XP would be fine.
[04:20] <peterlyberth> Wow!
[04:20] <sbalneav> Anything above that would just be gravy
[04:21] <sbalneav> Just make sure it's got lots of ram.
[04:21] <peterlyberth> I saw a cheap opteron server. Whould that be a wise buy?
[04:21] <ogra> s/gravy/extendable/ :P
[04:21] <sbalneav> Sure.
[04:21] <sbalneav> That will give you lots of growth potential.
[04:21] <ogra> :)
[04:22] <peterlyberth> The thing is that the users will be kids And kids=flash. And flash aint 64 bit...
[04:22] <sbalneav> Run it in 32 bit mode then.
[04:22] <peterlyberth> Does the opteron cpu support 32 bit?
[04:24] <peterlyberth> Damn just googled. It suport 32 bit
[04:24] <peterlyberth> My bad
[04:24] <peterlyberth> Then the opteron it is:-)
[04:26] <peterlyberth> Thanks for the help
[05:02] <elkardi> need help to install edubuntu to thumb drive
[05:13] <sbalneav> elkardi: I don't think installation to a thumb drive's a supported installation method.  You might be able to get it to go, but it will take a lot of work.  Why do you need it on a thumb drive?
[05:18] <cbx33> ogra, herd2 seems broken here
[05:18] <cbx33> get past choosing keyboard, but then it hangs
[05:19] <cbx33> and switching to vtt4 yields kernel not found messages over and over agin
[05:20] <ogra> cbx33, sure you downloaded herd2 ?
[05:20] <cbx33> yes
[05:20] <cbx33> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[05:20] <ogra> and there ?
[05:20] <cbx33> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-2/
[05:21] <ogra> hmm, i tested it on three different machines ...
[05:22] <cbx33> hmm....I wonder why it doesn;t work here
[05:22] <ogra> anyway, no way to fix it if its broken now ...
[05:22] <cbx33> no....but...i need to insstall feisty
[05:22] <cbx33> ;)
[05:26] <elkardi> sbalneav: i don't want to spend to much money on hard drive.
[05:26] <cbx33> maybe I should md5sum it
[05:26] <cbx33> check it's valid?
[05:26] <cbx33> can I md5sum a cd?
[05:27] <migi> cbx33, why not
[05:28] <cbx33> migi...doing it now ;)
[05:29] <sbalneav> elkardi: The standard installation doesn't allow for installation to a thumb drive.  Are you planning on running terminals off of this installation?
[05:30] <cbx33> ogra md5sum matches
[05:30] <cbx33> did I mention this is a vmware machine
[05:30] <cbx33> I'll try it again
[05:31] <elkardi> sbalneav: i already install it (by following the guide from ubuntu), but went boot it say cannot find kernal :
[05:31] <cbx33> ogra, occasionally, i see other messages popping by
[05:34] <cbx33> is there anyway to connect to the outside world from the alternative install cd busybox
[05:34] <cbx33> so that I can copy accross the syslog
[05:35] <ogra> cbx33, you can install the ssh client somehow from the installer menu
[05:36] <ogra> then you can scp it
[05:36] <cbx33> ahh ok
[05:36] <cbx33> thanks dude
[05:36] <ogra> dont ask about the exact steps its a while ago i did that
[05:36] <ogra> (i usually have a aprtition i can just mount to copy it to)
[05:36] <cbx33> i just found the tiem
[05:36] <ogra> *partition
[05:36] <cbx33> but...
[05:36] <cbx33> its the first hardware scan that it fails at
[05:37] <cbx33> which it requires to find the cd
[05:46] <cbx33> ogra I was stung by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/80294
[05:52] <ogra> ah, yeah, thats a mean one
[06:07] <cliebow_> ok dumbo question..how to get riight click in poerpc??
[06:15] <ogra> f12
[06:21] <cliebow_> heh:didnt want to plague you!
[06:23] <Laser_away> ogra: is there a particular reason to do scribus-ng over scribus?
[06:24] <Laser_away> I was thinking about that the other day
 "As we announced previously, there will be no more development or bug fixes to 1.2.x series. We now recommend all distributions package only Scribus 1.3.3.x."
[06:24] <ogra> thats what i was just told in #scribus
[06:24] <Laser_away> oh wow
[07:56] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:56] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[07:56] <cbx33> howz it going?
[07:57] <LaserJock> doing good, I think ;-)
[07:57] <cbx33> excelelnt
[07:57] <cbx33> seen how far tcm has come?
[07:59] <LaserJock> I saw your blog post
[07:59] <LaserJock> rockin'
[08:12] <humboldt> sbalneav: ogra told me, you might have an openssh-server package which offers a "none" encryption option.
[08:31] <cbx33> ogra.....does the 6% select and install software step take longer now?
[08:31] <cbx33> mine seems frozen
[08:31] <cbx33> tty4 shows just the in-target: list of pacakges
[08:32] <cbx33> CD is thrashing away
[08:32] <cbx33> but nothing much happening
[08:33] <cbx33> oh
[08:33] <cbx33> it;'s doing something now
[08:44] <juliux> cbx33, ogra is not here;)
[08:44] <cbx33> hehe
[08:44] <cbx33> oh yeh
[08:45] <juliux> he left 19:17
[08:45] <cbx33> i see that now
[08:45] <cbx33> in fact I saw before I wrote the message
[08:45] <cbx33> but forgot
[08:47] <sbalneav> humboldt: Yes, I patched openssh to accept the "none" encryption algorythm.
[08:49] <cbx33> sbalneav, you rock
[08:49] <sbalneav> Well, what I understand is that the official openssh packages in feisty will support this as well.
[08:50] <LaserJock> I don't quite understand why it's needed
[08:50] <LaserJock> is the encryption that much of a problem?
[08:50] <cbx33> slows down older machines in edubuntu
[08:51] <cbx33> so I've heard
[08:51] <sbalneav> On a low-powered client
[08:51] <sbalneav> yes
[08:51] <sbalneav> If you've got a pentium 75, doing ANY encryption's painful :)
[08:51] <LaserJock> well, but it seems to me like that wouldn't make a very good thin client anyway
[08:52] <LaserJock> but I can see where at some point any little improvment helps
[08:52] <cbx33> hheh
[08:54] <sbalneav> LaserJock: down in Brazil, P75's is all they got :)
[08:54] <cbx33> sbalneav, it'll make a great difference to them then
[08:55] <LaserJock> yeah, but those Brazilians are crazy :-)
[08:55] <sbalneav> One of the things you very quickly realize working with LTSP is: there's still a LOT of people using hardware that's at least 10 years old or greater.
[08:55] <sbalneav> And if you can turn a lab full of p75's from being bricks into useful machines, then "Viva la revelocion!" says I.
[08:55] <LaserJock> well, I found out about a week ago I get to teach this semester
[08:55] <sbalneav> Hey!
[08:55] <sbalneav> Congrats!
[08:56] <LaserJock> heh
[08:56] <sbalneav> Tenure's next
[08:56] <LaserJock> not exactly
[08:56] <LaserJock> just labs
[08:56] <LaserJock> but then this weekend I learned I'm co- Head TA / Computer Lab TA
[08:56] <cbx33> cool
[08:56] <cbx33> i love teaching
[08:56] <sbalneav> Once you have tenure, then you only need to teach one intro course per semester, and spend all the rest of your time on Ubuntu :)
[08:56] <ajmitch> hi
[08:56] <LaserJock> so I'm in charge of the computer lab too
[08:57] <LaserJock> so I went looking for it
[08:57] <LaserJock> and I found it in the library on the 3rd floor
[08:57] <sbalneav> hello ajmitch
[08:57] <LaserJock> but they bought all brand new machines :/
[08:57] <LaserJock> shiney new flat panel Dells
[08:58] <LaserJock> so although they are nice, I think that shoots my idea of turning it into an LTSP lab
[08:58] <ajmitch> and you get to put ubuntu on them all? ;)
[08:58] <LaserJock> no
[08:58] <ajmitch> what a waste of machines
[08:58] <LaserJock> now that they've bought new computer I'm sure they don't want me mucking around with them
[08:58] <LaserJock> with the old ones I couldn't do much harm ;-)
[08:58] <sbalneav> What he needs is for a lab-wide "hard drive crash" to occurr.
[08:59] <LaserJock> heh
[08:59] <sbalneav> For a small fee, in cash, small, unmarked bills only, please, I can arrange that to happen.
[08:59] <LaserJock> "Donno what happened, all 12 computers had some sort of sticky substance in there hard drives"
[08:59] <LaserJock> "Looks like honey or something"
[08:59] <LaserJock> "Well, I have a solution for you!"
[09:00] <sbalneav> "Yeah, and when the dell guy showed up to fix it, a big anvil with '20 tons' painted on the side fell on his head"
[09:00] <LaserJock> haha, "the dell guy showed up" that's rich
[09:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:00] <sbalneav> Thought you'd like that :)
[09:01] <LaserJock> well, seriously, I think they are getting rid of the computer lab anyway
[09:01] <LaserJock> I think a lot of it's due to Windows
[09:01] <ajmitch> getting rid of it by getting new systems?
[09:01] <LaserJock> no
[09:02] <LaserJock> well, they may buy some laptops
[09:02] <LaserJock> but they are finding that computer labs just aren't cost effective anymore
[09:02] <cbx33> hi ajmitch
[09:02] <LaserJock> at least for individual departments
[09:02] <LaserJock> all people were doing in ours is IM'ing and surfing the web
[09:03] <LaserJock> they weren't learning anything and they didn't have much access to chemistry apps
[09:03] <cbx33> grrr the ltsp build step of the install failed
[09:03] <LaserJock> so for the amount of space it takes and people to run a computer lab
[09:03] <LaserJock> it's not worth it
[09:10] <cbx33> sbalneav, is it just ltsp-build-client with no options to build a client on edubuntu now?
[09:11] <sbalneav> yuppers
[09:11] <sbalneav> You can always mirror from the cd with the --mirror option
[09:11] <sbalneav> to speed up package getting.
[09:11] <ajmitch> cbx33: how's TCM coming along?
[09:12] <cbx33> ajmitch, check the blog...heheh almost done
[09:12] <cbx33> lemme link you
[09:12] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
[09:12] <cbx33> it's looking swish
[09:13] <ajmitch> fancy
[09:14] <cbx33> heheh....
[09:14] <cbx33> yeh it's getting there
[09:14] <cbx33> ogra and I plan to look at it on sunday
[09:14] <cbx33> till then I'm book chapter writing
[09:15] <cbx33> sbalneav, been looking at the ltsp website...
[09:15] <cbx33> I'm writing the edubuntu chapter for the official ubuntu book
[09:15] <cbx33> got any trouble shooting tips?
[09:15] <cbx33> I want an ltsp trouble shooting page
[09:16] <sbalneav> I've actually got a ton of them.  They were in a disconnected "troubleshooting" section on the edubuntu handbook.
[09:16] <sbalneav> But since the svn server's changed, I'm not sure where they are.
[09:18] <cbx33> oh
[09:18] <cbx33> i saw some on the wiki
[09:18] <cbx33> but want some really common ones
[09:19] <cbx33> if you could dig something out for me that'd be great?
[09:21] <sbalneav> Sure.
[09:25] <cbx33> oslo - and 3 specs
[09:25] <cbx33> he's hard at work
[09:25] <ajmitch> yeah, but just what is he working on?
[09:26] <ajmitch> I knew he was in oslo, and I know he's got 3 specs to do :)
[09:26] <cbx33> oh check his specs page
[09:26] <cbx33> they are 3 edubuntu specs I believe
[09:27] <ajmitch> yes, edubuntu-2-cds, -network-auth-{client,server}
[09:27] <cbx33> there ya go ;)
[09:27] <ajmitch> but I wanted to know what he was doing for them, especiialy network-auth-client :)
[09:27] <cbx33> oh
[09:27] <cbx33> no idea
[09:27] <ajmitch> since I've been hacking stuff related to that this week
[09:27] <ajmitch> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNetworkAuthClient
[09:28] <ajmitch> given that implementation there depends on my code still, I need to get the package into shape asap
[09:28] <ajmitch> since it should have been done awhile ago
[09:29] <cbx33> ahh
[09:29] <cbx33> i see
[09:29] <cbx33> mail him and see;)
[09:30] <ajmitch> pfft
[09:30] <cbx33> hehe
[09:42] <cbx33> sbalneav, got a sec?
[09:45] <sbalneav> yep
[09:46] <sbalneav> whassup?
[09:46] <cbx33> should the dhcp-server be automatically started in feisty?
[09:46] <cbx33> i just did an install of edubuntu
[09:46] <cbx33> and it didn't start the dhcp server
[09:46] <cbx33> is that normal?
[09:46] <cbx33> do I need to start it manually
[09:47] <sbalneav> did you install "ltsp-server" or "ltsp-server-standalone"?
[09:47] <sbalneav> -standalone gets you the dhcp server.
[09:47] <cbx33> i did a default install of edubuntu feisty
[09:47] <sbalneav> Oh, then it should start automagically
[09:47] <sbalneav> if it doesn't, that's a paddlin'
[09:48] <cbx33> hmm.....it didn't
[09:48] <sbalneav> err, that's a bug
[09:48] <cbx33> could it be because the ltsp-build-client failed?
[09:48] <sbalneav> BUG!!! SQUASH IT!!!
[09:49] <sbalneav> sssssshouldn't be, I wouldn't think, because the dhcpd is installed long before the ltsp-build-client is run, methinks.
[09:49] <cbx33> hmm
[09:49] <sbalneav> Where's the pointer to the feisty edubuntu iso?
[09:49] <cbx33> where should I check to see if its run
[09:49] <sbalneav> I grabbed ubuntu feisty on the weekend, but not edubuntu?
[09:49] <sbalneav> s/\?/\./
[09:50] <stelis> sbalneav: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-2/
[09:53] <sbalneav> excellent, torrenting it now.
[09:53] <sbalneav> thankee
[09:53] <sbalneav> hmmm
[09:54] <sbalneav> kinda slow on the torrent.
[09:54] <sbalneav> "connecting to peers (0.0%)
[09:54] <cbx33> I've never used torrent
[09:54] <stelis> I don't know whether this link was advertised outside the edubuntu mailing list
[09:55] <sbalneav> A wget will do,too
[09:55] <stelis> Or it could just be blocked ports
[09:55] <stelis> You need 6881-6889 inclusive
[09:55] <stelis> And your ISP has to allow them to :)
[09:55] <sbalneav> I've torrented other stuff, that works fine.
[09:57] <sbalneav> wget ahoy
[09:58] <sbalneav> Man, between wget, bttorrentcurses, and screen, I never have to wait for downloads.
[09:58] <sbalneav> Kick 'em off at home on my box while I'm at work, detach the screen, dl's done by the time I'm home from work.
[09:58] <sbalneav> Who says the command line's dead?
[09:59] <stelis> Not me.
[09:59] <stelis> Nor MS - they released a new shell for Windows a while ago...
[10:00] <cbx33> oh I thought they took it out of vista
[10:00] <cbx33> they did have one
[10:00] <stelis> It's now a separate download...I ran it on XP
[10:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: my wget still has over an hour :/
[10:01] <sbalneav> BillG C:\> rename bash.exe command.exe
[10:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: are you hogging it? :p
[10:01] <sbalneav> Yep.
[10:02] <sbalneav> All my packets are tagged with the "NoLaserJock" QOS bit set.
[10:02] <LaserJock> :(
[10:03] <sbalneav> Hey, any scuttlebut on where the next UDC is going to be?
[10:04] <sbalneav> Beuhler? anyone? anyone?
[10:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: Spain
[10:04] <LaserJock> not sure what city though
[10:05] <sbalneav> Cool
[10:05] <LaserJock> I'm thinking I probably won't get to attend
[10:05] <LaserJock> I've got too much to do this spring
[10:07] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:08] <cbx33> sbalneav, the dhcpserver failed
[10:08] <cbx33> where can I find logs?
[10:08] <sbalneav> /var/log/daemon.log
[10:08] <cbx33> thanks
[10:08] <sbalneav> what's your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file look like?
[10:09] <cbx33> well it's autogenerated now
[10:09] <cbx33> isnt it
[10:09] <cbx33> apparently
[10:09] <cbx33> No subnet declaration
[10:10] <cbx33> and not configured to listen on any interface
[10:10] <stelis> Same here - I've just tried to start DHCP on edubuntu herd2
[10:10] <cbx33> ogra said "it worked first time for me"
[10:11] <sbalneav> hm
[10:12] <sbalneav> I'll load it tonight.
[10:12] <cbx33> :(
[10:12] <cbx33> sbalneav, can you give me any clues on how to fix?
[10:12] <cbx33> I'll pastebin a config file
[10:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: could it have something to do with your vmware network configuration?
[10:13] <cbx33> possible but unlikely
[10:13] <cbx33> it's worked before on dapper
[10:14] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/326092
[10:15] <cbx33> seems pretty close to the one in the getting started guide
[10:16] <sbalneav> That seems right.
[10:16] <sbalneav> so what does "invokerc.d dhcp3-server restart" give you?
[10:17] <cbx33> sbalneav, where do we set which network device the server runs off of?
[10:18] <cbx33> maybe that's it
[10:19] <cbx33> in the installation, is the first primary network device which we select in the edubuntu install the LTSP side of the network or the other side
[10:22] <cbx33> also the eth1 device isnt "configured" according to the gnome networking tool
[10:22] <cbx33> could that be having an effect?
[10:22] <cbx33> it's not in /etc/network/interfaces either
[10:23] <sbalneav> Probably
[10:23] <cbx33> any help?
[10:23] <sbalneav> What are the terminals set up on, the second interface?
[10:23] <cbx33> yes
[10:23] <cbx33> well i want them to be
[10:24] <sbalneav> I was under the impression that ogra had set it up so that the unused interface WOULD become the ltsp interface, and the dhcpd would run on that one.
[10:24] <sbalneav> So maybe it's an installation bug.
[10:24] <sbalneav> I'll try it tonight on a two interface machine.
[10:24] <cbx33> how would I manually set it up
[10:24] <cbx33> ?
[10:24] <cbx33> or is it complicated?
[10:25] <sbalneav> What's the ip address of your primary interface?
[10:25] <cbx33> it's dhcp assigned
[10:25] <sbalneav> Nah, nothing's ever complicated. :)
[10:25] <cbx33> the intaller did that
[10:26] <sbalneav> ok, but what RANGE?
[10:26] <sbalneav> 192.168.0.x?
[10:26] <cbx33> 192.168.16.
[10:26] <sbalneav> ok
[10:26] <sbalneav> easy peasy then
[10:26] <sbalneav> manually confugure your eth1 to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:26] <sbalneav> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:26] <cbx33> ok
[10:26] <sbalneav> ltsp-update-sshkeys
[10:27] <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start
[10:27] <sbalneav> bob
[10:27] <sbalneav> bob's yer uncle
[10:27] <cbx33> what for the gateway?
[10:27] <cbx33> or should I leave that blank
[10:27] <sbalneav> Don't need that one.
[10:27] <sbalneav> You're not going to route off the interface, so it doesn't matter.
[10:27] <cbx33> ok
[10:28] <cbx33> still failed
[10:28] <cbx33> it's still trying to tie it to eth0
[10:28] <cbx33> where is that set?
[10:28] <sbalneav> take a look in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[10:29] <sbalneav> what's it say in the options line?
[10:29] <cbx33> hang on
[10:29] <sbalneav> INTERFACES=""?
[10:30] <cbx33> yup
[10:30] <cbx33> thats it
[10:30] <sbalneav> Man, if I had a nickle for every dhcpd problem I've solved, I'd have a bunch of nickles :)
[10:30] <sbalneav> INTERFACES="eth1"
[10:30] <cbx33> yup
[10:30] <cbx33> doing now
[10:30] <sbalneav> They don't have nickles in Britain, if I remember.
[10:31] <sbalneav> But you don't use pence, shillings, etc any more, either.
[10:31] <cbx33> GRRR
[10:31] <cbx33> now it says
[10:31] <sbalneav> what doesn daemon.log say?
[10:31] <cbx33> no subnet for eth1 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[10:31] <sbalneav> is eth1 up?
[10:31] <sbalneav> ifconfig eth1
[10:32] <sbalneav> betcha it isn;t
[10:32] <sbalneav> betcha betcha betcha
[10:33] <cbx33> no
[10:33] <cbx33> and it can't bring it up for some reason
[10:33] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/326114
[10:33] <cbx33> too few parameters for iface line
[10:33] <cbx33> :(
[10:34] <sbalneav> Can't get it up, eh?  Geez, and you havn't even been married for 15 years like me :)
[10:34] <sbalneav> bwahahaha
[10:34] <sbalneav> yeah, that's a bug I ran into the other night.
[10:34] <blue-frog> cbx33: inet static
[10:34] <sbalneav> check the iface line
[10:34] <sbalneav> iface eth1 inet static
[10:34] <blue-frog> iface eth1 inet static
[10:34] <sbalneav> add the static
[10:35] <cbx33> grrrr
[10:35] <sbalneav> network mangler has a problem.
[10:35] <sbalneav> durned gui tools
[10:35] <cbx33> yeh indeed
[10:35] <sbalneav> vi ALWAYS works :)
[10:36] <cbx33> w00t
[10:36] <sbalneav> \o/
[10:36] <cbx33> has that bug been bugged?
[10:37] <sbalneav> Dunno.  I was going to file it tonight if not.
[10:37] <cbx33> please do
[10:37] <cbx33> hehe
[10:38] <sbalneav> "Gui tools: causing more problems than they solve since 1985!"
[10:38] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:39] <cbx33> flippin eck
[10:39] <sbalneav> :D\-<
[10:39] <sbalneav> :D|-<
[10:39] <sbalneav> :D/-<
[10:39] <cbx33> just got tonnes of ata exception errors
[10:41] <cbx33> but it's working
[10:41] <cbx33> kernel has some bugs that need to be worked out
[10:42] <sbalneav> More prophetic words were never spoken.
[10:42] <cbx33> thanks so much sbalneav
[10:42] <cbx33> I owe you
[10:42] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I am still with the problems with the clients that don't want to boot up after the restore of the backup. What do you reccomend me:
[10:43] <paolob-parroquia> 1. apt-get reistall all the packages
[10:43] <paolob-parroquia> 2. reistall the whole sistem from cd
[10:43] <paolob-parroquia> ?
[10:44] <LaserJock> the server works fine though otherwise?
[10:50] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, are you asking me?
[10:53] <LaserJock> paolob-parroquia: yes
[10:54] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, yes the server works fine, the problem is that the clients doesn't boot up, they stop with a busybox console, the problem is an error with nfs mounting
[10:54] <cbx33> thanks so much sbalneav
[10:54] <LaserJock> paolob-parroquia: so it seems a little harsh when it's only the client chroot or LTSP that would be the problem
[10:54] <LaserJock> to completley reinstall
[10:54] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, I think so
[10:56] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, no, I think the ltsp chroot is ok, because I reinstalled it with ltsp-build-client. Supposedly the problem isn't in the ltsp tree
[10:57] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, and nfs works fine (apparently): I can mount /opt/ltsp from another pc
[10:58] <LaserJock> well, but LTSP is where the client get's the kernel, I think
[11:00] <sbalneav> paolob-parroquia: What's the contents of your /etc/exports?
[11:00] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, I checked it with ogra, it's ok
[11:01] <sbalneav> Then it should work.
[11:02] <sbalneav> Do the client's boot the kernel?
[11:02] <sbalneav> WHere do they stop, exactly?
[11:02] <cbx33> sbalneav, hmmm......that worked, but....now the dhcp server is serving addresses on eth0 as well :(
[11:03] <cbx33> and interfering with my other dhcp server
[11:03] <sbalneav> shouldn't, if you set the INTERFACES="eth1" line.
[11:03] <cbx33> swat i thought
[11:03] <cbx33> unless the devices are the other way round
[11:34] <peter_lybertt> Say the users all need evolution, now is there a way to automate the setup process?
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> peter_lybertt, ?
[11:40] <peter_lybertt> I mean if there is say 30 users, who all need to use evolution, but cant set it up them selves. Then it would be a crap job, set 30 email accounts up in evolution.
[11:40] <peter_lybertt> So is there a script or program which can automate the process
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt it tbh
[11:43] <peter_lybertt> to bad. I didnt thought so, but perhaps some of u pro's knew of some kind of program
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you find one let me know... i do it by hand :|
[11:46] <stelis> IIRC, Red Hat developed something for storing Evo user settings in LDAP
[11:47] <peter_lybertt> stelis: Is it avalible for download?
[11:49] <stelis> Probably...it was written by one of their developers (Mark McGlouglin?), and I don't know if it's a formal product
[11:54] <stelis> http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/GConfLDAPBackend
[11:59] <peter_lybertt> stelis: Thanks!


[13:12] <rogman[m]> @E
[13:13] <rogman[m]> Eickmeyer: Hello, is it possilbe that i can find this little nice Tool in the UbuntuStudio Repos! https://gitlab.com/geontime/geonkick
[13:14] <rogman[m]> I can't compile this.
[14:20] <tomreyn> rogman[m]: maybe not what you're looking for, but note that there are downloadable linux builds at https://gitlab.com/geontime/geonkick/-/releases
[15:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> rogman: I am always leery of adding new applications to Ubuntu just before an LTS release. However, it does look relatively easy, and it's a plugin, not an application. I might play around with it and see what happens, but I'm not making any promises.
[15:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> rogman: As it is, since they already have Linux builds, it's low-priority.
[15:59] <rogman[m]> <Eickmeyer[m] "rogman: I am always leery of add"> Thanks a lot!! I found a compiled realease in the repos of kxstudio.
[16:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> rogman: Then that makes it easier since I can just use the work they've already done with packaging and clean it up.
[19:34] <Sammy> hello! I used bad settings for jack, which caused ubuntu studio controls and now I only have dummy output (I rebooted the computer and still the same). any ideas??
[19:34] <Sammy> ubuntu studio controls crashed
[19:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sammy: go into ~/.config and delete anything that says autojack, then restart your computer.
[19:36] <OvenWerks> If you have found something that makes controls crash... we would like to find out why.
[19:36] <Sammy> hello OvenWerks i think its jack related since qjackctl is also crashing when I start it now
[19:36]  * OvenWerks also wonders which version of controls...
[19:36] <Sammy> I'll try ty Eickmeyer[m]
[19:36] <OvenWerks> Ahh. Controls should... try to reset it self... but maybe not.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sammy: FYI, we have stopped directly supporting qjackctl as we designed Ubuntu Studio Controls as a replacement.
[19:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> |yy.mm | Sammy: Also, please tell us which version of Ubuntu.
[19:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oops
[19:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> !yy.mm | Sammy Also, please tell us which version of Ubuntu
[19:39] <Sammy> yes ty guys its the latest 19.10 64 bit freshly installed today and updated
[19:40] <Sammy> I had been trying to use reaper on windows but the latency is too bad so came back to old trusty ubuntu studio
[19:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sammy: Ok, the only thing I can think of is that there's a conflict between your qjackctl settings and your Ubuntu Studio Controls (autojack) settings. All of that is stored in ~/.config.
[19:50] <Sammy> quick update I deleted autojackrc and pavucontrol.ini and everything went back to normal, no more dummy output only thanks for the help
[19:52] <Sammy> just scared of crashing jack while testing different settings that might not be compatible with my hardware
[19:56] <OvenWerks> We worked pretty hard at making controls not crash if jack fails. I am surprised you could.
[19:57] <Sammy> i can reproduce it again and send you the logs if you want
[19:57] <Sammy> where are they stored?
[19:58] <OvenWerks> They should be in ~/.log/autojack.log (or something like that)
[20:07] <Sammy> hello this jackdbus.log when ubuntu controls crashed (and results with dummy output on pavucontrol) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pV2686NmmN/ thank you devs you are awsome!
[20:17] <OvenWerks> opps he left. That was the jack log. Most devices will lock jack at 16/2...
[20:44] <Sammy> is there a way to see this chat's previous history? I don't know if someone answered me because I had to reboot :(
[20:44] <OvenWerks> Not a problem.
[20:45] <OvenWerks> yes there is... I would have to search for it. try googling ubuntu irc log
[20:45] <OvenWerks> Anyway. I take it that is your internal audio device on the mother baord.
[20:46] <OvenWerks> The minimum buffer size is probably 128 maybe 64/3
[20:46] <OvenWerks> (periods)
[20:47] <OvenWerks> using 16 only works for a few PCI (not sure about PCIe) pro audio cards.
[20:47] <OvenWerks> I am surprised -controls was unable to reset the periods from 16 to 1024
[20:48] <Sammy> im getting very good latency and no glitches at all 2*32 @96k Hz
[20:48] <OvenWerks> why 96k?
[20:49] <Sammy> i thought higher frequency will hield lower latency?
[20:49] <Sammy> I play guitar and its very important for me
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Ok,
[20:49] <OvenWerks> If you can get that to work, great.
[20:50] <Sammy> its working awsome man
[20:50] <Sammy> Im gonna have some fun now finding how to work with windows vsts on carla
[20:51] <OvenWerks> Have fun
[20:51]  * OvenWerks doesn't have any VSTs to play with...