[15:55] <akgraner> nuboon2age_, ping
[15:56] <akgraner> Let's take a look at one section and narrow down the articles you are gathering
[15:57] <akgraner> that way you can focus on one section of the newsletter
[16:05] <akgraner> and do great things with one section for now
[16:06] <akgraner> also everyone I posted this yesterday - http://akgraner.com/?p=627
[16:07] <akgraner> I know we have a meeting next week - I'll try to get all my RSS Feeds listed to the wiki so people can use them and know where they can start looking
[16:07] <akgraner> also if you have feeds to add please do :-)
[16:09] <akgraner> For those in the channel who are looking for a section to possible collaborate with someone on - take a list at the post and links on the post and lets see how we can get more done during the week - I will commit to 2 hours be day on just the newsletter.  If a couple other people could do say 4 hours a week on various sections between reading feeds, gathering articles and or writing summaries no one would have to do much on the weekends -
[16:09] <akgraner> Just some food for thought...
[17:34] <nuboon2age_> akgraner: its not exactly a focus on one section (which as i described on ietherpad is very difficult to do because the feed i get from -- Google news is very broad), and its not really a summary, but you might still like my experiment on this week's http://ietherpad.com/UWN-Ideas .  Please check it out and provide feedback as to whether it works better for you.


[19:14] <EranSela[m]> Hello
[19:15] <EranSela[m]> I set when i close the lid on battery "suspend" but than, when I open the lid everything is stuck, someone no why?
[19:18] <EranSela[m]> *crash
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> EranSela[m]: Haven't had that issue. Any chance you can get me the version you're running?
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm | EranSela[m]
[19:22] <EranSela[m]> how can i know what version I runing?
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Open a terminal, type "lsb_release -a" is one way.
[19:24] <EranSela[m]> 20.04
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Ok. That tells me you're using the Xfce desktop, assuming you're not installed via the add-on method.
[19:25] <EranSela[m]> ok
[19:26] <EranSela[m]> there's something to do about it?
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> EranSela[m]: Since this chat room doesn't handle the desktop environment (only Studio-specific things), you might try asking in #xubuntu:libera.chat since the same packages and environment are used in that desktop. To get there, type "/join #xubuntu:libera.chat" in this window.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Basically, I don't know, but they might know.
[21:37] <mightyflea[m]> Hi, I've had problems with the latest version of jackd from the backports ppa.
[21:38] <mightyflea[m]> (Jack could not be started with studio-controls and autojack would hang with 100% CPU)
[21:39] <mightyflea[m]> Going back to the earlier version of jackd (1.9.19~dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2~ubuntu21.04.1~ppa1) fixes this for me.
[21:39] <mightyflea[m]> Is this a known problem?
[21:42] <mightyflea[m]> Starting jackd manually (jackd -d alsa) would appear to work, but at least some jack client (jack_lsp for one) would just crash with segfault.


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[00:00] <Guest30661> will check screensaver settings. also used to have screen saver issue. but screenlocker 14.04 fixed that issue
[00:01] <skribblezatcha> well thats cool. yeah if you use the screenlocker, then that means when it goes to sleep the screen locks too.
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> so it kinda defeats the purpose if you want to tap a mouse and be back to where you were and still be connected to the net.
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> i usually shut off the screen locker as well..but thats me.
[00:05] <Guest30661> i just want to be able to hibernate. it works with terminal only it seems
[00:10] <skribblezatcha> i see, thats odd.
[00:10] <skribblezatcha> well go ahead and turn off those things and see if that works for you Guest30661. you can also check out the screen locker too.
[00:11] <skribblezatcha> see what works for you man.
[00:12] <Guest30661> well. i have everything disabled. so i dont get lock screens,screensavers etc
[00:14] <skribblezatcha> ok and you went and set everything to hibernate and all of that?
[00:17] <Guest30661> I just want to be able to set hibernation manually
[00:18] <Guest30661> Like. it's not in my action button section. when i put it in.. it's shaded out
[00:18] <Guest30661> suspend is in it. but that always seems to cause problems. it's not a huge deal. I have an SSD and reboot shutdown takes seconds
[00:19] <Guest30661> when i used to use gnome 3. when i pressed my power button it would hibernate
[00:20] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see what you mean. you dont need it to hibernate once you arent typing for a while? you want the power button to cause it to do that.
[00:20] <skribblezatcha> yeah i cant do that either. i havent been able to do that in a long time. lol
[00:21] <Guest30661> yeah scribblez
[00:21] <Guest30661> i did this one command with gedit. that is mean tto make it work. but no outcome at all with it
[00:22] <skribblezatcha> yeah, i dont know about that one. thats all you messing around playing with settings, or trying to find a script that can get you that function.
[00:22] <skribblezatcha> right right..i feel you.
[00:22] <skribblezatcha> brb man.
[00:28] <skribblezatcha> ok back..thanks.
[06:16] <xubuntu990> hello. i have a problem. after installing xubuntu (or other linux) when i reboot my computer i see a screen in which i can get to bios a then black screen appears. if i want to get to system i must do ctrl alt delete, esc, ctrl-f1 then write sudo lghtm stop/start and them ctrl-f7. can you help me?  asus eee 1201ha
[06:18] <xubuntu990> and i must do lghtm start/stop because bottom half of my screen is black
[07:45] <Mosconi> ma che oooooooh
[07:45] <Mosconi> ma è possibile?!?
[07:54] <`Fibz> ?
[07:54] <mapp> ?
[07:54] <`Fibz> delayed reaction
[08:07] <freeman__> hi guys how I can optimize my prop. nvidia driver on Lenovo T510 that I can control the brightness level? It does not work here in Xubuntu when I try to change the brightness
[08:38] <xubuntu403> What is the downside of Xubuntu 12.04 LTS compared to ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[08:39] <junka> what do u mean xubuntu403
[08:41] <`Fibz> it's not as "pretty"?
[08:43] <xubuntu403> I am using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and find there are some unsolved problems with older machines. Xubuntu seems to not have these problems. I would like opinions about the relative merits of both systems, especially the downside so I will know what to expect, at least as an over-view before I decide on Xubuntu.
[08:44] <junka> well in 3 days the next LTS is going to be released. You can wait and test them out too
[08:44] <xubuntu403> I am concerned with function, not looks.
[08:45] <xubuntu403> I intend to stay with 12.04 until it expires. This will allow the bugs to be fixed in the next LTS.
[08:50] <junka> xubuntu403, i dont see any downside. The only real difference is the DE and some default packages
[08:52] <mimoid> Xfce 4.10 Has been the DE for the last three versions. It doesn't look like anything new is coming out of Xfce. Where is a rundown on the upcoming release? I can't find a page with real answers.
[08:53] <mimoid> I guess a new kernel, keeping in-line with ubuntu upstream.
[08:54] <junka> mimoid, xubuntu 14.04 will ship with 4.11
[08:54] <junka> unfortunately there is not eta for 4.12 other than 'when it's ready'
[08:55] <mimoid> I don't see anything on xfce.org about 4.11
[08:55] <mimoid> it is nonexistent as far as i can see
[08:55] <mimoid> Link?
[08:57] <junka> mimoid, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2013-11-03-features
[08:57] <junka> 4.11 is not an official release that's why it;s not on xfce.org
[08:58] <mimoid> where can I learn about 4.11 by itself
[08:59] <mimoid> the components, etc
[09:00] <junka> mimoid, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12
[09:01] <mimoid> whatever, as long as it keeps up with new stuff thrown at desktop linux like, say, systemd or whatnot
[09:02] <mimoid> xubuntu doesn't change anything that is going on here, right? http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2014/04/ubuntu-1404-lts-security-for-human.html
[09:04] <mimoid> of course not
[09:04] <junka> xubuntu has also patched heartbleed bug
[09:04] <mimoid> why would i ask that
[09:05] <junka> xubuntu uses ubuntu as core
[09:06] <mimoid> It is good to know that a malicious https server wont peek at my memory
[09:07] <mimoid> But a 6GB install... hmmm... I'm going to have to think on how to ration my 240GB drive between windows 7 and this
[11:52] <kajair> hey there. how can you play both tuxguitar in one jack and a mp3 in an input jack and mix of them in an soundcard?
[11:53] <kajair> *sry
[11:54] <kajair> tuxguitar (out) + guitar(in jack) + mp3 (background)
[11:54] <kajair> whole output mix in another soundcard
[12:43] <Foggalong> Anybody know of a workspace overview that works with XFCE?
[12:44] <knome> Foggalong, there's a workspace switcher panel applet
[12:44] <Foggalong> knome: yeah, I mean something a little more fancy
[12:45] <knome> Foggalong, middle-clicking the desktop (by default) also shows the applications for workspaces
[12:45] <knome> other than that, i don't think so
[12:45] <Foggalong> knome: not GNOME or Unity style fancy but something more than a pannel
[12:45] <Foggalong> knone: well that's cool! Not sure how I hadn't noticed that
[12:46] <alex72gr> hello everybody
[12:47] <alex72gr> I've installed xubuntu 12.04 64 bit on my PC
[12:48] <alex72gr> my display card has an HDMI output with audio (which works perfectly on windows)
[12:49] <alex72gr> xubuntu recognizes this output, but... although the sound settings window shows an indicator bar for HDMI audio output... I have NO sound...
[12:49] <alex72gr> does anybody know what happens?
[13:11] <limey> good morning!
[13:12] <limey> I have a question. I connect via vpn to a provider, whenever I download torrents
[13:13] <limey> I don't know why, but under xubuntu, they never start
[13:13] <limey> if I kill the vpn, they work
[13:14] <limey> anyone ever come across this? In windows they just work. why would the vpn have a problem with linux?
[13:49] <watermark> As an FYI, xubuntu.com doesn't redirect properly, but www.xubuntu.com does.
[13:52] <knome> watermark, will send a RT ticket about that, thanks for noticing
[13:52] <watermark> knome, np
[13:53] <knome> done, now pending on canonical IS
[14:17] <Foggalong> 14.04, I've got two clocks in my pannel
[14:17] <Foggalong> What's the deal?
[14:32] <elfy> Foggalong: the deal is the fix hasn't landed yet
[14:32] <Foggalong> elfy: ah, thanks for the update
[14:38] <Meerkat> Foggalong, I only have 1 clock on 14.04. I upgraded from 13.10, did you do a fresh install?
[14:39] <Foggalong> Yeah, fresh install
[14:40] <Foggalong> Meerkat: Upgrade completely tanked when I tried
[15:05] <Foggalong> Hey jono
[15:21] <NRDisciple> finally running live cd on this old computer sigh, still can't get sound to work, just wait for 14.04?
[15:21] <NRDisciple> or try out beta 2
[15:22] <NRDisciple> the user of the computer is someone that once she sets everything up, doesn't like to change things
[15:22] <knome> NRDisciple, sounds is hardly just starting to work on the final image... what's the issue?
[15:22] <amigamagic> you can try last daily development version but I don't think new releases support older hardware...
[15:22] <NRDisciple> =/
[15:23] <NRDisciple> no sound coming from the speakers
[15:23] <NRDisciple> running an audigy2 value
[15:23] <NRDisciple> yes old hardware :P
[15:23] <knome> NRDisciple, what release are you running from the live CD?
[15:23] <amigamagic> you have to check what sound chipset you have and then search on the web for linux drivers
[15:23] <knome> i have an audigy2 card as well, it has worked for me since 12.04
[15:24] <elfy> NRDisciple: I have an old audigy too
[15:24] <NRDisciple> on another distro, i just ticked audigy analog/digital in GNOME Alsamixer and it worked
[15:24] <Meerkat> are the speakers connected properly? Can you verify with another OS?
[15:24] <NRDisciple> yes
[15:24] <NRDisciple> they were working on ZorinOS
[15:24] <amigamagic> if it works in 12.04 it's strange it doesn't work on 13.x or 14.x releases
[15:24] <NRDisciple> so i know the speakers work
[15:25] <NRDisciple> first time user of Xubuntu
[15:25] <NRDisciple> i'm running the 13.10 live cd
[15:25] <amigamagic> NRDisciple, sometimes the live cd doesn't have all the drivers and maybe with a full install it downloads the missing drivers from the web
[15:26] <Meerkat> have you tried playing a youtube video?
[15:26] <NRDisciple> yes meerkat
[15:26] <knome> NRDisciple, did you try changing the output from pavucontrol?
[15:26] <NRDisciple> lol someone told me not to do a full install and see if the livecd would have audio
[15:26] <NRDisciple> but i have it installed
[15:26] <NRDisciple> just testing out the cd
[15:27] <NRDisciple> and pavucontrol is fine
[15:27] <NRDisciple> shows the audigy card
[15:27] <Meerkat> NRDisciple, click the speaker icon in the panel (where the clock and menu button is) and click 'sound settings'. Is Volume Control up with the Output Devices tab?
[15:28] <NRDisciple> clicking the speaker up top in the taskbard doesn't do anything
[15:28] <elfy> NRDisciple: checked it's set as analog in alsamixer
[15:28] <elfy> ?
[15:29] <NRDisciple> speaker with - - -  after it
[15:29] <Meerkat> NRDisciple, then entering pavucontrol in a terminal emulator would bring that up.
[15:29] <NRDisciple> yes i went to pavucontrol
[15:29] <NRDisciple> now in alsamixer from terminal
[15:30] <Meerkat> how many devices do you have in the Output Devices tab?
[15:30] <NRDisciple> how do i set it as analog?
[15:30] <NRDisciple> default is just -
[15:30] <NRDisciple> device 0 is Audigy
[15:30] <NRDisciple> i set it for device 0
[15:31] <NRDisciple> Audigy Analog/Digital output Jack is 00
[15:31] <NRDisciple> with no ability to alter volume
[15:31] <elfy> NRDisciple: press M
[15:31] <NRDisciple> master volume is 100
[15:31] <NRDisciple> i did, it changes to MM
[15:31] <elfy> when on that channel 00 is digital
[15:31] <NRDisciple> when i hit M again, it goes back to 00
[15:32] <NRDisciple> ah
[15:32] <elfy> leave it at MM :)
[15:32] <NRDisciple> ok
[15:32] <elfy> now you can deal with the volumes and check that pavucontrol is actually set to use it :)
[15:33] <NRDisciple> on analog output/no amplifier
[15:33] <NRDisciple> nothing =/
[15:33] <NRDisciple> i installed GNOME alsamixer too, no dice
[15:33] <elfy> start playing something - then go to the playback tab
[15:34] <elfy> you can set the desired output there
[15:34] <NRDisciple> alsa playback shows a moving bar
[15:34] <NRDisciple> but no sound
[15:35] <NRDisciple> as with the output tab
[15:36] <NRDisciple> i'd rather just chuck this computer into the garbage :P but we dont have money to upgrade and i dont want to keep it on XP
[15:36] <NRDisciple> it's 50x more stable running on xubuntu =/ just need it to have sound
[15:36] <elfy> just double check that aplay -l in a terminal shows the card(s)
[15:37] <NRDisciple> i should just back out and load up the installed OS and try this
[15:37] <NRDisciple> ok lemme check
[15:37] <elfy> http://imgur.com/ppyn1Gb,AsexNhH
[15:37] <NRDisciple> yup it sees it
[15:38] <elfy> is how I'm set up here
[15:38] <elfy> and I've got an audigy 1 ;)
[15:38] <NRDisciple> all i have is sSB0400 Audigy 2 Value ANalog Stereo
[15:38] <NRDisciple> excuse the little s
[15:38] <NRDisciple> lol
[15:38] <NRDisciple> there is a realtek onboard audio chip as well....
[15:39] <NRDisciple> but I couldn't even get sound to work with it on xp
[15:39] <NRDisciple> so i just disabled it
[15:39] <elfy> yep
[15:39] <elfy> other than checking the various outputs on pavucontrol and making sure it's all on - I've no more help
[15:39] <NRDisciple> =/
[15:39] <NRDisciple> wonder what in ZorinOS allowed the sound to come
[15:40] <NRDisciple> strange =/
[15:40] <elfy> though I did once spend 30 minutes fiddling with no sound then plugged the cable in
[15:40] <NRDisciple> lol
[15:40] <NRDisciple> it's plugged in :P
[15:41] <NRDisciple> just double checked
[15:41] <NRDisciple> ok gonna log into the installed OS
[15:41] <NRDisciple> bbiab
[15:41] <elfy> then I would guess it is something simple
[15:42] <amigamagic> sometimes one plug the cable in the input jack instead of the output jack. I did that too. :P
[15:44] <NRDisciple> no difference :(
[15:45] <amigamagic> with the live of ubuntu 12.04 it works?
[15:45] <NRDisciple> naw still on 13.10 but now on the installed OS
[15:46] <elfy> check alsamixer again and then play something and then work with pavucontrol
[15:46] <NRDisciple> only have one more DVD to burn... should i try the 12.04LTS?
[15:47] <elfy> just work with what you've got :)
[15:47] <NRDisciple> hate to install it and have 14.04 come out hehehe
[15:47] <Meerkat> NRDisciple, how many devices was listed in the pavucontrol outputs list?
[15:47] <NRDisciple> well i heard that
[15:47] <NRDisciple> the beep from the IRC
[15:47] <NRDisciple> just not the youtube video
[15:48] <NRDisciple> nvm it was muted
[15:48] <NRDisciple> sound works!
[15:48] <NRDisciple> strange
[15:48] <NRDisciple> i'm not complaining hehe
[15:49] <NRDisciple> thanks guys
[15:49] <amigamagic> NRDisciple, you can use an usb pendrive to install linux
[15:49] <amigamagic> in this way you don't have to burn hundreds of dvd
[15:50] <NRDisciple> would have to install that thing that allows USB booting for mobos that do not support it
[15:50] <NRDisciple> anyways hoping that all works well whenthe LTS comes out
[15:50] <amigamagic> it needs a motherboard that supports boot from usb
[15:50] <amigamagic> if your mb is too old, maybe this is not possible
[15:51] <amigamagic> you have to check in the bios
[15:51] <Meerkat> I can send you 600 floppies
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm not seeing the update notifications in the notification area, but I have update-notifier-common installed. What do I do?
[15:52] <amigamagic> I don't think 600 floppies are sufficient for an actual iso live
[15:52] <NRDisciple> there is a progam to isntall to the MBR that allows you to boot from USB
[15:52] <bekks> Which is called "boot loader" ;)
[15:52] <knome> NRDisciple, amigamagic: http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/
[15:53] <amigamagic> knome, that's cool!
[15:56] <NRDisciple> ah
[15:56] <NRDisciple> PLoP
[15:56] <NRDisciple> that's what it's called
[15:57] <NRDisciple> anyways the mother is not going to enjoy redoing everything when 14.04 comes out :P thanks for the help
[15:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Pity my impatience, but: I'm not seeing the update notifications in the notification area, but I have update-notifier-common installed. What do I do?
[16:00] <SonikkuAmerica> (And update-notifier for that matter)
[16:00] <amigamagic> have you checked in the options that the update check is done every day?
[16:04] <iwsh> Hy, guys!
[16:05] <junka> hey
[16:06] <iwsh> Um, I'll be short. I have Xubuntu 12.04.4 and I can't set a wallpaper with ristretto. I could in 13.10 (but my Intel video driver is working better here for some reason)
[16:06] <iwsh> Plus, I have xfce 4.12
[16:07] <iwsh> So, has anyone encountered this problem before?
[16:07] <amigamagic> wow, xfce 4.12
[16:07] <iwsh> Uhm, xfce 4.10 and 4.12 ppa connected : )
[16:08] <amigamagic> 4.12 is so better than 4.11 ?
[16:08] <bekks> It is more recent.
[16:08] <iwsh> 4.11 ? oO
[16:08] <iwsh> I have never heard of that : D
[16:08] <Foggalong> Wait there's a 4.12 ppa?!
[16:08] <amigamagic> xubuntu 14.04 ships with xfce 4.11
[16:08] <iwsh> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12
[16:09] <junka> it's development
[16:09] <iwsh> Yep
[16:09] <iwsh> However, ristretto isn't there oO
[16:09] <iwsh> Can't remember, if I tried switching wallpapers withouth xfce 4.12
[16:10] <iwsh> 4.08 is quite old for me oO (even though, it was the first I used)
[16:14] <iwsh> I haven't tried 14.04. I tried 12.10, because it was released on my birthday (it was good). I tried 13.04 (for an hour : D ), but I had instant kernel panics during login (something related to my broadcom wlan card). And then I used 13.10. Which was also good, but my brightness controls were more wrecked, than before, and some wine games wouldn't recognize my video card :$ .
[16:14] <iwsh> Guess, I'll just test 12.04 in a VirtualBox
[16:14] <iwsh> Withouth xfce4.12
[16:15] <Foggalong> Is there a disadvantage to using 4.12?
[16:17] <iwsh> No disadvantages, I'm just trying to comprehend, why ristretto won't set a wallpaper for me : )
[16:17] <iwsh> Like it did in 13.10
[16:17] <Foggalong> amigamagic: are you sure?
[16:17] <iwsh> Maybe something related to xfdesktop package or I don't  know.
[16:17] <Foggalong> I'm running 14.04 right now and it's still 4.10
[16:17] <iwsh> It surely did in 13.10 : )
[16:18] <iwsh> WEll, I must admit, i'm misusing it
[16:18] <iwsh> I just have the https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12
[16:18] <iwsh> connected
[16:18] <iwsh> There are just some packages
[16:18] <iwsh> And the version is actually 4.11
[16:18] <iwsh> So, there are misusing it too  : )
[16:19] <iwsh> they are*
[16:19] <iwsh> (what a mess of numbers)
[16:20] <Foggalong> I'm confused now
[16:20] <iwsh> So. Again. I have Xubuntu 12.04.04, with xfce4.10 and xfce4.12 ppas connected. And xfce4.12 ppa actually contains several 4.11 packages.
[16:20] <iwsh> Not 4.12 as the name suggests oO
[16:21] <Foggalong> So if you wanted 4.12 how do you get it?!
[16:21] <elfy> can we take this conversation to #xubuntu-offtopic please :)
[16:22] <iwsh> If so, than back to my problem. I can't set a wallpaper with ristretto. And the desktop settings window doesn't have a '+' sign to add some either
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> amigamagic: Sorry, was playing Minecraft. I should check, probably
[16:23] <Foggalong> elfy: isn't the Xubuntu Topic that 13.10 was released?
[16:23] <SonikkuAmerica> amigamagic: The thing reads "Daily"
[16:23] <Foggalong> Oh, and support
[16:23] <Foggalong> Which is what this seems to be
[16:24] <elfy> this is support for released version - but not PPAs
[16:24] <elfy> and 14.04 is released Thursday ;)
[16:24] <amigamagic> SonikkuAmerica, so it should work
[16:25] <Foggalong> elfy: surely this dicussion isn't harming anything?
[16:25] <Foggalong> elfy: or I could just rephrase the question
[16:25] <iwsh> Okay oO . I actually found out, that my problem is indeed related to using these ppas. I'll try disconnecting 4.12, see if it works for me.
[16:25] <iwsh> Thanks for Help! : )
[16:26] <Foggalong> I'm currently running 13.10 and I want 4.12 - will it be in 14.04 or is there a ppa I can add to get it?
[16:26] <Foggalong> ;)
[16:26] <SonikkuAmerica> amigamagic: Well it doesn't/
[16:26] <iwsh> exist*
[16:26] <iwsh> : D
[16:26] <knome> Foggalong, 4.12 hasn't been released. no, there most probably won't be a PPA for 4.12 for 13.10.
[16:27] <iwsh> I confused everyone oO .
[16:27] <Foggalong> knome: thanks :)
[16:27] <Foggalong> knome: so it's going to be 4.10 in 14.10?
[16:27] <knome> Foggalong, whatever is in there now will be pretty much what it will have
[16:27] <knome> no sense to backport stuff to a release that's supported for 9 months...
[16:28] <knome> wait,
[16:28] <knome> 14.10? depends if 4.12 is ready in time
[16:31] <Foggalong> Oops
[16:31] <Foggalong> I did mean 14.04 :P
[16:31] <knome> 14.04 will have 4.10 and some 4.11 components
[16:32] <Foggalong> knome: thanks
[16:33] <Foggalong> It just seems to be a fair bit different from 13.10
[16:33] <Foggalong> I...I..MEAN SUPPOSEDLY
[16:33] <knome> yes... we are finally landing last of the stuff that has been prepared in the last two years
[16:35] <Foggalong> knome: cool!
[16:35] <Foggalong> knome: well other than the panel everything is working brilliantly so far
[16:36] <Foggalong> ...supposedly)
[16:37] <iwsh> ... I ppa-purged 4.11 and I can now set wallpapers with ristretto oO . So here's my questions regarind non-ppa-ed Xubuntus. Does Xubuntu 13.10 contain onlu 4.10 packages?
[16:37] <iwsh> regarding*
[16:37] <iwsh> only*
[16:38] <iwsh> question*
[16:42] <Foggalong> The new messaging indicator is pretty cool
[17:02] <sleezio> hello, i'm trying to open a file in google earth over my network, but i don't see any network connections to choose from, i only see my harddrive
[17:02] <sleezio> i'm mapped to the network in question in thunar
[17:04] <sleezio> even in add > network link, when i click browse, i only see my harddrive
[17:04] <sleezio> any ideas whats going on with this?
[17:13] <junka> Foggalong, what messaging indicator? :D
[17:14] <Foggalong> sc
[17:14] <Foggalong> Hold on :)
[17:16] <Foggalong> junka: http://imgur.com/a/z8m2A
[17:18] <junka> awesome
[17:18] <junka> it was not present in beta version
[17:21] <junka> Foggalong, what artwork do u have
[17:21] <Foggalong> junka: numixproject.org
[17:22] <junka> thanks
[17:36] <Foggalong> junka: you're we;lcome
[17:49] <Ilezzo> Hi! sorry for my bad english! =D
[17:50] <Ilezzo> I'm currently installing Xubuntu 13.10
[17:50] <Ilezzo> =)
[17:52] <RFleming> Ilezzo, what is your native language?
[18:09] <serg_> hi all. I have a problem. But may be it normally. On my pc installed xbuntu 13.10. By default system using Pulse audio server. Problem with skype. When i logon to my profile, skype starting automatically. When it starts, it haven't sound, bat when i restart it manually sound is work.
[18:10] <serg_> *but
[18:24] <GridCube> serg_, open the skype that you launch automatically and go see if in pavucontrol the output device for it is the one you want to use
[18:26] <TheSheep> also, you migth want to place it after pulseaudio in the autostart list
[18:26] <serg_> you right. it paced before pulse audio in my session. Thank you
[18:32] <guest2152352> Quick question if anybody knows: is there any way to upgrade from LTS to 'regular' release without re-installing?  It's sort of silly but I don't have a blank DVD or a USB stick handy.
[18:32] <knome> guest2152352, you can upgrade LTS to a regular release.
[18:33] <guest2152352> How?
[18:34] <knome> guest2152352, in "software and upgrades", check the "updates" tab and change "notify me of a new ubuntu version" to "for any new version"
[18:34] <knome> guest2152352, then run update-manager
[18:34] <knome> guest2152352, if you are on 12.04 though, you might want to wait for a few days and upgrade to 14.04 directly though
[18:39] <guest2152352> Hmm, you know I saw some kind of guide (I think in the docs?) about that.  There is no 'Software and Upgrades' in my system settings.  There is an 'Update Manager' program that alerts me to updates, but I don't think there was a setting like that in the program.  It just scans for updates to all my software.
[18:39] <knome> guest2152352, are you on 12.04?
[18:39] <guest2152352> Yes
[18:40] <knome> guest2152352, is there a specific reason you want to upgrade to 12.10?
[18:42] <guest2152352> knome: Not particularly, I just have no practical reason to be on the LTS line.
[18:43] <knome> guest2152352, 14.04, the next LTS, is released on thursday
[18:43] <knome> guest2152352, you will be able to upgrade directly to it
[18:44] <knome> guest2152352, otherwise, you will have to run several upgrades to get to 14.04
[18:44] <knome> guest2152352, so i would wait until thursday before upgrading
[18:44] <guest2152352> Oh?  Good to know.  I'll wait on that, then.  Thanks.
[18:45] <knome> no problem
[18:45] <guest2152352> Nice timing, I guess, hehe.
[18:45] <knome> if it's not a production machine, and you have backups, and want to help xubuntu, you can upgrade it now and report the test results as well... :)
[18:45] <guest2152352> I originally installed it as an alternate boot option for very infrequent cases when I needed to check some code on linux.
[18:45] <guest2152352> Hah.  Happy to do that, actually.
[18:45] <knome> guest2152352, ok, then join us at #xubuntu-devel
[18:47] <guest2152352> I have just got a new computer, so this one with xubuntu on it I intend to make entirely linux so I can poke at it more often / use it to test random whims on / etc. without having to switch OS (just intend to remote to it from the new computer).
[19:13] <delt> "lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions" <--- why am i getting tons of these in my kernel logs?
[19:17] <kupo_>                      what's the ubuntu+1 chan again?
[19:18] <bekks> kupo_: put a # in front ;)
[19:18] <kupo_> thanks
[19:31] <leinnan> Hi
[20:20] <veronica> ciao a tutti
[20:21] <Guest83265> qualcuno puo aiutarmi
[20:21] <Unit193> !it
[20:22] <Guest83265> grazie a voi
[20:43] <kupo_> oh yeah. just upgraded my ram. a whole 7.4 gigs now in use
[20:44] <Unit193> Amd64 I'd presume?
[21:59] <gQuigs> Hi there.. I was wondering if Xubuntu 14.04 is going to come with 3 or 5 years of support
[21:59] <knome> three years for xubuntu lts releases
[22:00] <gQuigs> knome: thanks!
[22:17] <kupo_> I thought LTS was always 5 years
[22:20] <gQuigs> if there is an officially place where it's listed what flavors mean by LTS I'd appreciate it
[22:20] <gQuigs> kupo_: different flavors can choose to go LTS or not, and I guess decide how long their LTS is
[22:22] <skribblezatcha> there is an official place where it is listed. its listed right on the xubuntu website gQuigs.
[22:22] <kupo_> I see. all is well
[22:23] <gQuigs> skribblezatcha: I meant *Ubuntu project wide, so I can see who is supporting LTS for how long
[22:23]  * gQuigs is trying to pick which flavors to bring to an installfest
[22:25] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see gQuigs. i bet that there is such a page if you were to look for it.
[22:26] <bekks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[22:27] <kupo_> wonder if mint is going for the 17 quick
[22:35] <knome> gQuigs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/#Support_lifespan
[22:36] <skribblezatcha> what do you mean kupo_?
[22:37] <knome> general linux discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic please
[22:47] <delt> oops
[23:31] <amigamagic> someone knows why thunar is so slow in browsing an smb folder the first time?
[23:32] <amigamagic> with nautilus when you browse the lan, the smb folders on your local lan are accessible very fast
[23:33] <juanmontoya> amigamagic: not always, in my case, browsing the lan for windows share is even faster than windows :/
[23:34] <amigamagic> so it depends from the ethernet driver?
[23:35] <juanmontoya> I don't know on what depends... btw the other machine is windows xp, on windows 7, vista, etc... it's impossible
[23:36] <amigamagic> in my case, when I browse the lan it takes very much time before it goes in the windows shared folders...
[23:38] <juanmontoya> well I'm just another user and I don't have all the answers. But when I need to access a samba share I type smb://IPADDRESS
[23:38] <juanmontoya> exactly because it is slow sometimes :/
[23:39] <amigamagic> I will try with the direct address...
[23:42] <amigamagic> mmmh... I don't know if it's a case, but with a direct smb://192.168.xxx.xxx it's fast
[23:43] <amigamagic> I have to try to reboot and see if it access the lan fast again with direct ip addressing


[13:51] <cmaloney> morning
[14:08] <jrwren> doog morning
[14:19] <shakes808> morning
[14:44] <_stink__> yo
[14:52] <shakes808> has anyone heard of this: https://www.freecodecamp.com/
[14:52] <shakes808> seems to be a cool way to get on some non-profit projects to give back
[14:53] <cmaloney> Looks like a lot of the other code camps
[14:54] <shakes808> oh really?  this is the first one that I have seen
[14:54] <cmaloney> Or maybe I've seen something like that already.
[14:54] <cmaloney> Not sure.
[14:55] <jrwren> Established: 818days ago
[14:55] <jrwren> yes, I've heard of them, but I don't recall where.
[17:49] <greg-g> yo
[18:21] <wolfger> -yo
[18:30] <cmaloney> yo
[18:36] <wolfger> ma
[18:42] <cmaloney> mu
[18:53] <greg-g> coo
[21:14] <brousch__> What DE are you all using these days?
[21:14] <cmaloney> UNity
[21:15] <brousch__> It no longer sucks?
[21:16] <jrwren> no, its pretty terrible.
[21:20] <brousch__> I'm trying to get along with KDE, but little things are annoying me
[21:21] <brousch__> Apple's touchpad has really spoiled me
[21:21] <jrwren> yup.
[21:21] <jrwren> all other laptops suck.
[21:23] <brousch__> The scrolling on this is driving me nuts. It's so twitchy, and I can't get it to reverse direction (damn you Steve Jobs) in every application
[21:26] <jrwren> what kind of hardware?
[21:27] <brousch__> Dell Latitude
[21:27] <jrwren> I really like the simplicity of xfce, autohide a few bars and maximzie windows nicely
[21:27] <brousch__> Hm, I forgot about those light DMs
[21:27] <cmaloney> http://gobretail.com/gobretail-ecom/Gamesinfo.php?gobitemcode=GOB098257&usedproduct=1
[21:28] <brousch__> I did like XFCE
[21:28] <brousch__> Cute little hamster
[21:28] <brousch__> cmaloney: I'm blind now. Thank you.
[21:28] <cmaloney> Don't listen to jrwren. His mind is corrupted.
[21:28] <cmaloney> brousch__: You're welcome.
[21:29] <brousch__> Wow, how did it get to be 4:30 already?
[21:29] <cmaloney> Well, there's this thing called "time"...
[21:37] <greg-g> tiiiiiiiiiiiime, it's on my side, yes it is


[00:14] <stgraber> plars: image build running
[00:14] <cjwatson> sergiusens: icon path> I disabled click desktophook recently-ish in favour of the hook in upstart-app-launch, which I think takes a less conservative approach to assuming that the unity stack will actually do the right thing
[00:14] <plars> ok, I haven't had much luck with maguro so far, due to the mac address bug
[00:15] <plars> on the previous build that is
[00:15] <cjwatson> slangasek,sergiusens: :any> sounds somewhat like http://bugs.debian.org/718482 - maybe something else in a similar code path?
[00:16] <stgraber> xnox, ogra_: so it looks like my recovery partition change (swap file generation) never landed. Is that because we're still using bits from Jenkins (in which case we should kick a build) or is that because the last android tarball was wrong and missed my change?
[00:16] <cjwatson> cdimage no longer has any code that fetches from jenkins AFAIK
[00:17] <stgraber> (I want http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery.git;a=commit;h=a51672467e2bcc6b686cdbd2b75ae064930feebd which is currently in the phablet-saucy branch on git)
[00:17] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok, then it's the android package that's out of date... let's see if I can get it to build from a newer git snapshot.
[00:26] <stgraber> rsalveti: tried running your export script on hesperidium but it appears to be failing... any chance you can try to kick an export to check whether that works for you?
[00:27] <stgraber> rsalveti: (I tried looking for that e-mail you mentioned to xnox the other day but couldn't find it in my mailbox or online, so I guess that was just between the two of you?)
[00:34] <bkbilly> hi... I was thinking about creating an app for ubuntu touch...
[00:34] <bkbilly> can you help me?
[00:36] <bkbilly> I have some questions...
[00:36] <bkbilly> is there anyone that can help?
[00:44] <bkbilly> QuitQ
[00:44] <bkbilly> Quit:
[02:15] <slangasek> cjwatson: yeah, if 718482 is fixed in the apt in saucy (which I was inclined to assume it was), then it sounds like there's another apt bug around somewhere
[02:28] <OrokuSaki> Anyway to get click-app icons to show up on the.. "desktop" or Application area of Ubuntu Touch?
[02:29] <AskUbuntu> Can you 'mount' an Ubuntu Touch (nexus 4/7) device as a disk? | http://askubuntu.com/q/342790
[05:41] <ssaputra> I have flashed nexus 4 with ubuntu touch saucy, and it seems now the battery is drained out after a week or so.. and not boot up anymore even after charging for 4hrs..
[05:42] <ssaputra> adb not able to recognize it.. and can't go to recovery or fastboot.. can any one help me..
[05:45] <ssaputra> can anyone help me to boot up this device again without remove the back cover and remove the battery??
[05:46] <ssaputra> I have flashed nexus 4 with ubuntu touch saucy, and it seems now the battery is drained out after a week or so.. and not boot up anymore even after charging for some time... +-4hrs
[05:46] <ssaputra> adb not able to recognize it.. and can't go to recovery or fastboot.. can any one help me??
[06:10] <OrokuSaki> to play mp3's for more then 10 seconds you have to enable multi-verse
[06:10] <OrokuSaki> then upgrade gstreamer codecs
[06:10] <OrokuSaki> I like the new music app
[07:08] <ogra_> stgraber, i think you want the automatically exported tarball from http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/
[07:09] <ogra_> (though it seems it does not run cronned as it should)
[07:56] <wellsb> Is the click store showing on devices for anybody else today?
[08:12] <lool> image 31 looks good
[08:14] <lool> wellsb: slow, but works to search and install apps here
[08:15] <lool> hmm camera-app still crashes for me, but I didn't wipe
[08:17] <lool> bah some issues, no time to chase today
[10:04] <Tom___> Hi there, anybody listening?
[10:06] <Tom___> I'm seeing traces of Android on my Galaxy Nexus display, does anybody else have that issue and what causes that? I have documented it here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/342615/ubuntu-touch-screen-color-tone
[10:25] <popey> Tom___: thats not android, looks more like screen burn to me
[10:28] <Tom___> popey: thanks for your feedback
[10:32] <popey> Tom___: if you have a rummage on google for "samsung galaxy" and "screen burn" you'll find a fair number of people have the issue
[10:39] <Tom___> popey: thanks for the hint
[10:41] <popey> np
[10:45]  * ogra_ has it too
[10:45] <ogra_> with the ubuntu homescreen byrned in though
[10:46] <popey> hah
[10:46] <popey> ogra_: i left my nexus 4 on overnight, disconnected, and it seems to sleep deeeeeeply sometimes
[10:47] <popey> I have a cron job which wakes up every minute (yes, I know this is not good for battery life) which records battery life in a text file...
[10:47] <ogra_> popey, yeah, hold the power button for 1min (not less !)
[10:47] <popey> no, not that kind of sleep
[10:47] <popey> its very easy to wake
[10:47] <popey> not busted
[10:47] <ogra_> oh ?
[10:47] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6078606/
[10:48] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6078607/ is the silly script
[10:48] <popey> wanted to record battery drain over longer periods
[10:48] <ogra_> why does it takke thee semples sometimes ?
[10:48] <popey> interesting that there's big gaps through the night
[10:48] <popey> well, exactly, that's my question ☻
[10:49] <popey> * * * * * /home/phablet/powerstat.sh >> /home/phablet/battery.csv
[10:49] <popey> thats the crontab for the phablet user
[10:49] <popey> makes me wonder if we may have problems with the alarms api in the future if the thing goes into such deep sleeps
[10:49] <ogra_> i would put the sleep into the script with a while loop
[10:50] <ogra_> instead of using cron
[10:50] <popey> well, i am of course making an assumption that the reason it's not doing the cron job every minute is because of some kind of deep sleep
[10:50] <ogra_> in a way that the date and getprop dont get exeuted all the time
[10:50] <ogra_> and turn the two ifs into a "case" statement
[10:50] <popey> wise, will modify
[10:51] <ogra_> that should lower the footpring, so you measure less of yourself
[10:51] <ogra_> *print
[10:51] <ogra_> (also dont use bash, use /bin/sh, thats only 10% as big )
[10:52] <popey> thanks
[10:58]  * ogra_ prepares to go to the airport ...
[11:59] <Stimrol> hello, I am having some problem deploying the touch image on my nexus 4 phone
[12:00] <Stimrol> I think the problem is that my language uses UTF-8 name for home/user/download
[12:00] <Stimrol> so it can't be accesed
[12:04] <Stimrol> is there anyway to load the image files from other location than /home/user/download
[12:09] <popey> Stimrol: interesting, what's your Download location called then? can you pastebin the output from phablet-flash?
[12:11] <popey> Stimrol: assuming you're using phablet-flash then could you please file a bug against it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools
[12:11] <Stimrol> popey, http://paste.is/2454/
[12:12] <Stimrol> yes, I will do
[12:13] <popey> right yes it does look like a unicode problem, thanks for spotting it
[12:13] <popey> in the meantime you can manually flash the device
[12:13] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install has details
[12:14] <popey> Stimrol: --base-path might be useful
[12:14] <popey> as you can move the files somewhere else (like /tmp) and install from there
[12:15] <Stimrol> thanks, good I didn't read further in my guide, then I would not have made the bug report :)
[12:16] <Stimrol> popey, do you then add --base-path as a parameter to the phablet-flash line?
[12:22] <Stimrol> thanks again, I made a bug report
[12:24] <popey> yeah Stimrol
[12:25] <popey> phablet-flash cdimage-touch --base-path=/tmp I _think_
[12:47] <Stimrol> popey, if I use this command now, then there is a SHA256SUMS problem --> ERROR:phablet-flash:SHA256SUMS cannot be obtained for verifiaction
[12:49] <Stimrol> maybe this calls for another bug report
[13:18] <xnox> stgraber: rsalveti: hm.... =( yeah it should have been running all the time now =(
[13:58] <Stimrol> what is wrong with the image, or is it just on my side, when I type "sudo phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b --base-path /home/stimrol/temp/" then I get --> ERROR:phablet-flash:SHA256SUMS cannot be obtained for verifiaction
[14:09] <rickspencer3> hey hey, anyone know what I need to do to get data working on my phone again?
[14:58] <akshay2000> Hey!
[15:12] <akshay2000> qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-cordova seems to have been deleted from the team PPA. ubuntu-sdk can't be installed now.
[16:42] <caner> hi guys
[16:43] <caner> i have galaxy nexus
[16:43] <caner> and custom recovery :)
[16:43] <caner> where is the .img file ?
[16:43] <caner> .zip file ??
[17:04] <crypticmofo> hi all .. i was thinking something .. if i follow the porting guide for ubuntu-touch .. will that mean i can maintain the image for a certin device that i want
[17:05] <crypticmofo> right now its not being maintainted .. the device in questions is cdma but i don't care bout that .. at least the device can have wifi
[17:38] <Tom__> Question: When I connect my Galaxy Nexus with my laptop via USB, it doesn't get auto-mounted - is this currently normal behavior? If yes, what would be the easiest way to change that?
[17:38] <Tom__> (Both run Ubuntu, of course)
[17:41] <Tom__> (and when I had Android on the Galaxy before, it auto-mounted instantly)
[17:55] <AskUbuntu> Is it possible to run Ubuntu touch on any android phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/343007
[17:55] <Tom__> Are Ubuntu Touch devices supposed to auto-mount on Ubuntu?
[18:01] <wellsb> Tom__: MTP is not implemented yet, but it's in progress.  You can read about it here: http://blog.cyphermox.net/2013/09/implementing-mtp-on-ubuntu-touch.html  In the meantime, you can use adb push and pull to transfer to and from the device
[18:02] <Tom__> wellsb: thanks!
[18:24] <cjwatson> slangasek: It is, it was the last upload
[18:52] <crypticmofo> anyone get my question earlier ?
[18:52] <crypticmofo> right now its not being maintainted .. the device in questions is cdma but i don't care bout that .. at least the device can have wifi
[18:53] <popey> crypticmofo: its quiet now because it's sunday evening, better off asking during the euro / us working day
[18:55] <crypticmofo> ok
[19:37] <tataku> hey trying to figure out how to view version installed
[19:44] <popey> tataku: cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:47] <tataku> would I do that in fastboot? or sdk platform tools?
[19:47] <mhall119> tataku: adb shell into the device to run it
[19:48] <tataku> ok cool ty
[19:49] <seepa> hello, any touch porting experts here? I'm working on a flipped port, finished building the android image, but I boot straight into busybox and dmesg tells me "initrd: Couldn't find data partition. Spawning adbd ..."
[19:51] <tataku> i think Im doing something wrong. It says the directory doesn't exist
[20:13] <tataku> so this isnt too bad, just wish I had ubuntu running on my computer so I can mess with it more
[20:19] <cwayne> huh, making a new theme doesn't really work, because MainViewStyle.qml sets it to one of the existing themes
[20:19] <drachensun> seepa: If you figure out where the partitions are defined, please let me know
[20:19] <drachensun> I've got a similar problem on boot
[20:23] <tataku> Just wondering, I know for now you can only develop on an Ubuntu machine. Has anyone tried developing on either Mac or Windows?
[20:25] <spacecaker> u can use SSH
[20:25] <spacecaker> mac already supports inside
[20:25] <tataku> Thats what I would think to
[20:26] <ahayzen> tataku, may be of interest http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21917/appdev-1308-sdk-porting/
[20:26] <tataku> oh sweet
[20:26] <tataku> imma watch this in a bit
[20:27] <tataku> either way I still wanna have qt5 right?
[21:26] <seepa> drachensun, you still here?
[21:27] <drachensun> yup
[21:29] <seepa> there should be .fstab files in the android device tree.. is that what you r looking for?
[21:29] <drachensun> makes sense
[21:30] <drachensun> I was doing something a little hacky to get it to load
[21:30] <drachensun> so I didn't have anything in fstab
[21:30] <drachensun> but I dont think it mounted everything the way it is supposed to
[21:30] <drachensun> so did you just have to modify the fstab entry for data?
[21:31] <seepa> no, I did not modify anything there expect for removing the "nosuid" flag from the /data mount options
[21:31] <drachensun> ah
[21:31] <seepa> as described in the porting guide
[21:32] <seepa> what kind of boot issue do you have? are you stuck in busybox as well?
[21:32] <drachensun> yeah, I was working with binary set of the Android images created by a colleague
[21:33] <drachensun> the boot.img was missing some setup
[21:33] <drachensun> on our device you had to load a nand driver to get the internal partitions up
[21:33] <drachensun> so I was trying to add everything in and repack the boot.img
[21:34] <seepa> I see
[21:34] <drachensun> but its a fairly complex init script
[21:34] <drachensun> so I couldnt see where all it was crashing
[21:34] <drachensun> I tried to just write around it by calling a typical load up we do the script in our just Linux init
[21:34] <drachensun> and then it was crashing looking for the system partitions
[21:34] <drachensun> partition
[21:34] <seepa> where exactly is the init script located?
[21:35] <drachensun> well we have an initrd just like they are using
[21:35] <drachensun> except our /init file is pretty short
[21:36] <drachensun> so I just couldn't see where it was looking for the system partition to change it as the /etc/fstab file seemed to be empty
[21:36] <seepa> ok, but where is the file? it must be somewhere in the saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[21:36] <drachensun> I assume it is expecting to the use one from the initrd
[21:36] <drachensun> oh the one that crashes looking for system is the init in saucy-preinstalled
[21:37] <drachensun> its binary
[21:37] <drachensun> the one I modified was in boot.img
[21:37] <drachensun> like I say, I was kinda doing everything backwards since I didn't have his build setup
[21:38] <drachensun> I am getting all the matched up right now
[21:38] <drachensun> and hopefully it will be obvious where the fstab should be coming from
[21:46] <seepa> I found this page on xda http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44024762&postcount=167, it has the script posted which prints the error I see:
[21:47] <seepa> the problem is right when it looks for "userdata UDA DATAFS" in /dev but doesn't find anything there
[21:47] <seepa> so the path variable is empty and "if [ -z "$path" ]; then" gives me the error
[21:48] <seepa> echo "initrd: Couldn't find data partition. Spawning adbd ..."
[21:49] <seepa> problem is, I don't know if that is something I have to tune before building the android image, you know, some setting so it creates a partition like "userdata, UDA or DATAFS" in /dev...
[23:52] <xbox> Hey guys, we have a lot of of experince with CM and ubuntu touch
[23:52] <xbox> But he got the P5110,k the GTAB2 10.1
[23:52] <xbox> And im looking for the most recent build so he can trym he is almost com[pletely blind so im helping
[23:52] <xbox> any help much appreciated
[23:56] <adamther> o/
[23:57] <adamther> So i was trying to flash my nexus 10 to unbuntu but for some reason its stuck in the google logo loop of load then crash and repeat. I can get into the android recovery menu by holding down both volumes and the sleep buttion but i cant use adb anymore... kinda lost


[06:11] <Madpilot> busy place here tonight... ;)
[06:12] <robotgeek> Madpilot: BANG!
[06:13] <Laser_away> Madpilot: rocking!
[07:55] <crimsun> ok, for Edgy we need to trawl these man pages. I hate that most of them have few, if any, good examples.
[07:56] <dsas> crimsun: A good place to start would be to just grep through them for "debian",  you'll get a load of skeletal man pages that are barely a page long.
[07:57] <Madpilot> the thought of having to tackle a distro's worth of man pages + our regular docs is a bit much ;)
[07:58] <crimsun> dsas: yeah, I'm thinking of starting with the easier ones, like gst-launch-0.10
[07:58] <crimsun> (heh, I nearly typed gst-launchpad-0.10)
[08:02] <Madpilot> crimsun, might want to file launchpad bugs against the packages you want to change - that might make getting in touch with packagers & maintainers easier
[08:03] <crimsun> Madpilot: well, once I find time to play with gst-launch, I'll flesh out the man page more and send it upstream
[08:03] <Madpilot> gst-launch makes me think of taxes - we've got a "Goods & Services Tax" in Canada - what does it actually do? :)
[08:04] <crimsun> it's a nice cli tool for using gstreamer
[08:04] <crimsun> I use it for audio, mainly
[08:08] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: actually the man pages thing has been a long long goal before
[08:09] <Madpilot> ah
[08:09] <jsgotangco> there are a few manuals of apps in main that are "uncatalogued" in scrollkeeper
[08:09] <Madpilot> don't forget that Edgy is going to be a very short cycle for release, though
[08:10] <crimsun> yeah, but I won't be spending 90% of my time doing ALSA fixes =)
[08:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:49] <poningru> I had a question about java
[02:43] <jjesse> morning everyone :)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:44] <jjesse> evening for you :)
[05:58] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[09:09] <mdke> crimsun: how does one change the default sound card for system sounds if there is more than one?
[09:10] <crimsun> mdke: for GNOME, System> Preferences> Sound> Set default sound card's pull-down menu
[09:10] <mdke> crimsun: I had my brother on the phone, he says that he tried that and it didn't remember the setting
[09:11] <crimsun> mdke: yeah, that's a known bug
[09:11] <mdke> crimsun: great, cheers
[09:12] <crimsun> mdke: a workaround is to use asoundconf directly
[09:12] <crimsun> mdke: since the Sound capplet calls asoundconf for its backend work
[09:13] <mdke> crimsun: lovely, thanks.
[09:13] <crimsun> mdke: ``asoundconf list''  returns the canonical string names; use ``asoundconf set-default-card CARD'' to set it
[09:14] <trappist> <3 asoundconf list
[09:14] <crimsun> trappist: ^5
[09:14] <trappist> :)
[09:14] <mdke> crimsun: gottit thanks
[09:17] <dsas> LaserJock: ping
[09:23] <LaserJock> dsas: yeah?
[09:25] <dsas> You commited r3034 on behalf of someone, and it said "firefox has auto-update which gets you latest security updates". or something similar. Ubuntu ships with firefox updates turned off.
[09:26] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:26] <dsas> I mean, presumably it can be turned back on, but it isn't like that out of the box...
[09:26] <LaserJock> ok, thanks for pointing that out
[09:27] <dsas> no probs. I didn't know who Phil was to inform him directly.
[09:30] <dsas> s/Phil/Pete
[09:30] <LaserJock> cbx33 over in #edubuntu :-)
[09:32] <LaserJock> hmm, but it does have an update manager. should I just take the "automatic" part out?
[09:42] <dsas> uhm, yeah. The auto-updater *does work* for extensions, but not for firefox core without messing around with about:config (I think)
[09:43] <LaserJock> so just getting rid of "automatic" should work
[09:44] <dsas> I think that'll be fine yes. I was just imagining users getting mislead...
[09:44] <LaserJock> yeah, we don't want to mislead users, but we do want to tell them the good parts :-)
[09:46] <dsas> yeah, there's a line to be walked :)
[09:48] <mdke> LaserJock: actually last time I checked they were actually disabled
[09:49] <mdke> so updates are done through system updates
[09:49] <mdke> maybe it's changed
[09:49] <LaserJock> ah
[09:49] <LaserJock> fine
[09:49] <mdke> yeah "Check for updates" is greyed out
[09:49] <LaserJock> naughty Ubuntu devs ;-)
[09:50] <mdke> well, I think it didn't work
[09:50] <dsas> Not unless you ran firefox as root
[09:50] <mdke> ah
[09:50] <dsas> which for all intents and purposes is the same as it not working. I'd forgot about that.
[09:51] <LaserJock> ok, I took the whole sentence out
[09:53] <mdke> just say "firefox sucks, install epiphany"
[09:53] <dsas> mdke: +1
[09:56] <LaserJock> lol, I'd be more inclined to reverse that  ;-)
[09:57] <LaserJock> epiphany has never really appealed to me, probably because I use firefox so much on Windows
[09:59] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I found it a bit of a switch and now I can;t stand fF
[09:59] <LaserJock> cool, unfortunately my most used browser is currently Safari :/
[10:01] <dsas> Firefox's menus scare me now.
[10:01] <LaserJock> why would you use the menus?
[10:02] <mdke> firefox's preferences look like they were designed by some kid
[10:02] <mdke> a particularly untalented kid
[10:02] <dsas> I don't very often, but they're all so long and full of stuff. And the prefs menus are going backwards.
[10:02] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:04] <Lysander-> Hey..would anybody be able to help me? (:
[10:05] <Burgwork> Lysander-, this is a documentation team channel but what sort of help are you looking for>
[10:06] <Lysander-> Oh, sorry. I thought it was a channel to discuss problems. (:
[10:06] <Burgwork> Lysander-, that would be #ubuntu, or #ubuntu+1 for dapper
[10:06] <Lysander-> Ah, okay. Thanks!
[10:06] <Burgwork> np
[10:42] <mdke> robotgeek: that problem with slow building seems to only happen on KDG
[10:45] <mdke> oh no, with all the books under kubuntu
[10:47] <mdke> ah, got im


[05:46] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That nasty dialog box for jackd came back when installing via -installer.
[05:46] <Eickmeyer> Except it never shows.
[06:02] <Eickmeyer> Looks like pkexec can't keep environment variables it's set. Means we might have to change the .desktop file to run a pkexec instead of keeping it in the -installer script itself.
[07:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: That was the way I started out, but there has been a push to do things "properly" and not run the GUI as root.
[07:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: almost better to install as as if "no" had been selected and then fix it...
[07:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: just have -installer check for the .disabled and pkexec mv to right name.
[07:46] <OvenWerks> the thing is, even installing jackd right does not give a the same as installing studio experience anyway.
[07:46] <OvenWerks> -controls would have to be run first after reboot and then logout/in
[07:47] <OvenWerks> The user has to be added to the audio group too.
[16:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: on farther thought. If there is already a package you have been working on for audio/RT tweaks, It should get run after jack2 is installed and could include an install script.
[16:22] <OvenWerks> That package would have jackd2 as a depend. This would force /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled to be installed (if installed with -q) and then the script could do: if [ -f /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled ]; then
[16:23] <OvenWerks>  mv /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[16:23] <OvenWerks> /usr/sbin/adduser `id -nu ${PKEXEC_UID}` audio
[16:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Farther thinking... We can't shouldn't really install a file that another package would have to write over. The /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[16:47] <OvenWerks> thing is not something we should play with
[16:48] <OvenWerks> instead we should add our own file /etc/security/limits.d/something.config
[16:56] <OvenWerks> I should probably look at the jack package installer first. It may not be upset at finding audio.conf already installed
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: In my experience, it won't even prompt if audio.conf is already there.
[16:57] <OvenWerks> In which case we can just install it.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Is audio.conf installed automatically with -controls?
[16:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: no it takes a mouse click
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> If that's the case, making -controls a dependency of -installer would solve the problem.
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Oh.
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Could we add it to -controls as part of the install script?
[16:59] <OvenWerks> however, if controls is a depend, install could call the fix part before it shows anything :)
[16:59] <OvenWerks> The part that does the actual fixing is not a part of the -controls gui because it has to be run pkexec
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> I see.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> so -install could pkexec /usr/sbin/ubuntustudio-system fix
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Couldn't -controls have a postinstall script calling that?
[17:01] <OvenWerks> That would install audio.conf as well as add the user to the audio group
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> Doesn't need pkexec at that point.
[17:03] <OvenWerks> a post install could better just include the few lines needed directly
[17:04] <Eickmeyer> Seems like that would make it even simpler than having to run -controls once.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> The user does need to know they have to logout and back in to gain the permisions.
[17:05] <OvenWerks> -controls will tell them so if they run it...
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> Well, then documentation, or if they fail to RTM then running -controls will get it across.
[17:09] <OvenWerks> -install could check for locked memory access and drop a dialog or message on the screen too.
[17:11] <OvenWerks> My thought is that if the person installs -controls, they will run it and get the message that way, but if it is installed as a dep of -install then -install should tell them after installing all they ask for.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> Not a bad idea. Redundancy is good in this case.
[17:14] <OvenWerks> Ok, so the plan is to add rt setup to -controls postinstall and then add a permision check to -install
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes.
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Make sure you do another pull for -installer. I just updated for -controls dependency, but I don't know how to write the dialog box.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I will look at it later... I will have to fix -controls first. Then -controls will need to be test installed as a dep by installing -install on a non-studio base
[17:30] <OvenWerks> I will probably have to do a git clone of install anyway.
[17:31] <OvenWerks> I haven't pulled sinse bzr
[17:31] <OvenWerks> (Bizzar!)
[17:32]  * OvenWerks needs to have more coffee
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I've got a non-studio base, so we'll use my system to test. It's a minimal Ubuntu install right now.
[17:38]  * Eickmeyer also gets more coffee
[17:39]  * OvenWerks realizes he has no idea how to write a .postinstall
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> I'll get the .postinstall.
[17:43] <OvenWerks> It just has to run /usr/sbin/ubuntustudio.system fix
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> This is weird. I've got it, but it's not letting me push.
[17:54] <OvenWerks> did you pull rebase master etc?
[17:54] <OvenWerks> I generally keep two branches: master and a work branch
[17:55] <OvenWerks> make the change in work.
[17:55] <OvenWerks> git pull to master
[17:55] <OvenWerks> change to work do git rebase master
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> I had to reclone the thing.
[17:55] <OvenWerks> switch to master
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> What I did worked.
[17:56] <OvenWerks> do the local merge then push
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> All I did was clone, add the postinst, then push. Worked like a charm. It was asking me to sign-in, so must've been something weird with git.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Did you get the postinst?
[19:26] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:26] <OvenWerks> does it work?
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> I'll try it.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> it needs to be tried without installing jack first
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> Grr.... it pulls jackd2 and asks to install /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf, which I guess is okay considering this step would be installed either via command line, synaptic, software center, or otherwise.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> Oh, Ya. I guess that would be true, jackd is a dep
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> Really, that alone solves the problem: making -controls a dependency of -installer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:36] <OvenWerks> So long as the user logs out and back in.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> Yes, so perhaps we just need to add that to -installer when it's done doing its thing.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> That dialog you were talking about.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> Ya, I will take a look soon.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: When the postinstall script runs, it adds user "root" to audio... not the user that called the sudo.
[19:39] <OvenWerks> Seems I don't have a copy of install anyway...
[19:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Ah, it uses sudo instead of pkexec inside?
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Yes, because sudo is required to run apt or apt-get. It doesn't even use sudo since sudo was already called by whoever installed.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> the user is based on a variable that pkexec passes
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> Yes. Unfortunately, one can't pkexec in a dpkg -i.
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> So, it might have to be something that -installer calls.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> sudo also passes the user in some manner
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> Not a huge deal since it could be called as part of installing anything else.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> Maybe check for both, obviously $user returns "" so check if pkuser = "" then test for whatever sudo uses
[19:45] <OvenWerks> if one of them has a user in it, use that. Actually pkuser is userid so an empty variable is probably 0 or root
[19:46] <OvenWerks> I think this is fixable.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Right. Sudo acts as root.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, I don't even think we need the postinst if -controls is a dependency of -installer since it calls that dialog, which is what we're avoiding.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Takes care of the dialog so that -installer doesn't have to.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> we have to install jackd with quite don't ask any questions
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Well, if -controls is already installed before -installer runs, then jackd will be quiet since it will see that 1) it's already installed, and 2) audio.conf already exists.
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Basically, that yes/no will already be answered.
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> And dpkg knows this.
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> We can then have installer run "pkexec ubuntustudio-system fix".
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> Takes care of if they answered "no".
[19:51] <OvenWerks> Ok
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> I'm going to give it a whirl.
[19:52] <OvenWerks> installer should do that at startup
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> I would agree, except what if the user doesn't want to use Studio for audio?
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Actually, that's beside the point.
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> It might be bad to give the impression that the entire interface is running in root.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I will also fix the bug in -controls, group will only be joined if user id > 999
[19:56] <OvenWerks> (interactive users start at 1000)
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> Okay, just pushed the removal of the postinst.
[20:02] <OvenWerks> Oh... this is the wish version...
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> wish version?
[20:04] <OvenWerks> tk/tcl
[20:05] <OvenWerks> It was never released when I did it.
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> This was the code I pulled from bzr.
[20:05] <OvenWerks> yes, I uploaded it, but noone wanted to do the release work.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> Well, it's about time we got that moving then.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I think I decided that tk/tcl pulled in the fewest deps
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> I saw that in the changelog, the switch to tk/tcl.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> and the old dep on zenity
[20:09] <OvenWerks> zenity is getting bit rot
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> So, you got the changes in, but nobody did the release work.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> It used to be everything had zenity as there was both a qt and gnome version
[20:10] <OvenWerks> Ya.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Well, I see no reason why we can't move forward with it.
[20:13] <OvenWerks> tk can do a lot more than zenity. It used to be my gui of choice when I was developing on Linux for windows at work (15 - 20 years ago)
[20:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: would you like to change installer to include the package list inside the script rather than on the commandline?
[20:15] <OvenWerks> would you like to add uninstall? anything like that?
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's not a bad idea. After all, what else would we be using this script for?
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> Well, we could add uninstall, I suppose.
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> As long as it's not too much work.
[20:16] <OvenWerks> for that matter it would be possible to switch to python like -controls if it is easier to maintain that way.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> If we switch to Python, it might look better too since then we coulld use a toolkit.
[20:17] <OvenWerks> I originally thought it could be used as a generic install script GUI.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> even in tk it could look a lot different
[20:20] <OvenWerks> Ardour originally used tk
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> Well, I think using it for a post-install "I want this set of packages that I didn't install at install time" combined with a "I want Ubuntu Studio on my {insert flavor} installation" solution. Doesn't need to be generic.
[20:21] <OvenWerks> No, we have never used it genericly
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> If someone wants to use it for their own purpose, they can feel free to fork it.
[20:21] <OvenWerks> Oh, maybe we did
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> What else was it used for?
[20:23] <OvenWerks> We used to have one desktop file for each sub menu
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I see.
[20:23] <Eickmeyer> Maybe we do just keep the command-line then.
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> Unless we've done away with that.
[20:24] <OvenWerks> So under audio production there was an install item that would install the audio meta or other applications we didn't ship but we liked to provide a way of installing.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> there is only one desktop file in there now
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> Okay, so we've done away with that then. No reason why we can't re-tool it.
[20:26] <OvenWerks> we could do both, if no cl params use internal list
[20:26] <OvenWerks> It does need someone to keep up with it
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> I'd have no problem with that, since while I'm no coder it's easy for me to parse.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> Maybe we should add a python branch
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Maybe transition to Python with 19.10?
[20:29] <OvenWerks> That way, Install can be released as is. And there is no pressure to get it done
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> Confirmed: having -controls as a dep for -installer did the trick, installation is proceeding without a hitch (or a hang, as the case was).
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Cool
[20:43]  * OvenWerks is realizing how painful it was to make something follow another process running as root.
[20:44] <OvenWerks> Does the process bar still work right?
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> Yes, it still works.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> cool
[20:53] <OvenWerks> I think the package name needs to be in a bigger column
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. "ubuntustudio-" takes quite a bit of room to begin with.
[21:00] <OvenWerks> Ya, I don't set the list box width, what size should I try?
[21:01] <Eickmeyer> 150px to start?
[21:01] <OvenWerks> in charactors
[21:02] <Eickmeyer> Oh. go for 25.
[21:04] <OvenWerks> grub2-themes-ubuntustudio fits
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> Perfect. Is that the longest one?
[21:06] <OvenWerks> Mine only shows three becasue the rest are already installed
[21:06] <OvenWerks> I can push it though
[21:06] <Eickmeyer> plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio is longer.
[21:06] <Eickmeyer> (I might consolidate those two into "ubuntustudio-branding")
[21:07] <OvenWerks> So make it 30
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> ok
[21:07] <OvenWerks> I want to play with the grub one too at some time
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. The grub one was fun. Forked the Ubuntu MATE grub theme, I think it looks good.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> I just need to get it up and sponsored since it's a new package.
[21:11] <OvenWerks> does the grub one include the 09-grub or is that still in something else?
[21:11] <OvenWerks> the /etc/grub.d/
[21:12] <OvenWerks> 09_lowlatency
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> That's something else.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Right now 09_lowlatency just adds the lowlatency entry at the top then calls 10_linux
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. that's in ubuntustudio-default-settings and ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> I would like to change it so that it replaces 10_linux
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> grub2-themes- only themes grub.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Ah.
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> Replacing 10_linux would work if it wasn't directly installed by another package. That gets sticky with file conflicts.
[21:16] <OvenWerks> I think it would be nice to list the latest RT as default (if it exists) followed by the latest lowlatency and then the latest generic all with labels.
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> There's no RT in Ubuntu.
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> Was too problematic to maintain iirc.
[21:16] <OvenWerks> My thought was to have 09_lowlatency chmod -x 10_linux
[21:17] <OvenWerks> Ya, there is no RT but if someone builds one, it should be auto default]
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, then one would have to do a postinst in -default-settings and -lowlatency-settings.
[21:18] <OvenWerks> no, the 09 could do that on the fly every time it runs :)
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> Ohhhhh! I seee!
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> If that's the case, and it works, then have at it!
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> I mean, are we being redundant by keeping 10 at +x?
[21:19] <OvenWerks> The proper way would be to make a ubuntustudio-grub package that "replaces" one of the main grub packages
[21:20] <OvenWerks> better yet would be to push a change upstream
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> Muh head a splode with that idea.
[21:22] <OvenWerks> If I added a kernel_order=this,that,the_other to the user config file, the standard one could have generic at the front
[21:22] <OvenWerks> then I could push it up stream
[21:23] <OvenWerks> I think there is a file that can be added by a distro to preset those variables and the user config comes after
[21:23] <OvenWerks> the user config would not have that line so the default would be used
[21:23] <OvenWerks>  This is quite a long way down my list of things to do...
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, sounds great, but yeah, low priority, and getting that upstream in Debian would be painstaking.
[21:24] <OvenWerks> not debian, grub
[21:25] <OvenWerks> debian would then just take it...
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> Oh. You think the grub folks would want that?
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> That would affect every distro.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> not really
[21:26] <OvenWerks> they would be able to do that and for most people it would do nothing
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> That's true.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> The default would be no change
[21:27] <OvenWerks> it would not be something that would make a new grub version, but it would be included in whatever the next version was
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> ok thats odd, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-installer/+git/ubuntustudio-installer says master was updated 4 hours ago.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> but :https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-installer/commit/ shows later
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Happened to me before. I had to delete my local repo, re-clone, pull (merge) with the commit comment "Launchpad git error" on the merge, then push.
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> It's annoying.
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> I think it's a launchpad bug with its git hosting implementation.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> I think I will leave it over night and see if it updates on its own
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> Cool