[06:22] <elyon225> amr: That was the first distro I ever tried because I thought the logo was so friendly looking ;)
[06:22] <stdin> surgy: huh, that means that you did an OEM install
[06:22] <elyon225> Could someone tell me how to mount a CD image (specifically a .CUE and .APE file)?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> a .ape file is NOT a cd image as far as i have researched
[06:23] <surgy> stdin: thats my girlfriend she installed it.........
[06:23] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... k3b thinks it is ;)
[06:23] <Dr_willis> cue/bin files need to be converted to .iso befor mounting them with the loop feature
[06:23] <stdin> elyon225: if it's like a .cue .bin, you'll have to convert it to .iso first
[06:23] <surgy> stdin: what can i expect out of that?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> !loop
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <Dr_willis> !iso
[06:23] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[06:24] <elyon225> thanks, Dr_willis
[06:24] <stdin> surgy: it's meant for pre-installed versions, I've never done it. I'll have a look on the wiki
[06:24] <optical> Can someone help me.. I installed cpufreqd and it is running but it is keeping my CPU at 100% all the time.. I want it to run cool and quieter..how can i select different profiles from iwithin it?  is there some kind of interface gui i can use or something
[06:24] <optical> I am using edgy
[06:24] <elyon225> grr... no conversion for .ape.  By the way, Dr_willis... apparently .ape is an image format designed specifically for audio.
[06:25] <sparr> sounds like a poor design for an image format...
[06:25] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  from what i googled .ape was a lossless compressed audio format.. nothing to do with 'cd images'
[06:25] <surgy> stdin: ok now im logged in and my left click wont work........
[06:25] <sparr> .mp0, an audio format designed specifically for images
[06:25] <dwidmann> anyone around know if there is any major _performance difference_ between the 9631 and 9746 nvidia drivers?
[06:25] <sparr> dwidmann: for 8xxx or older?
[06:25] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm.  when I open the associated .cue file in k3b, it's ready to burn and lists 18 different audio tracks.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  the cue file tells it to look at the .bin file... so... whats the problem?  i still dont see what that has to with .ape files. :)
[06:26] <Dr_willis> or am i lost...
[06:26] <dwidmann> elyon225: with any luck, maybe k3b can convert that image to something else
[06:26] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I don't HAVE a .bin file.  Just the .cue and .ape.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Hello, all
[06:27] <Dr_willis> check the .cue file - its a text file.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> could be its treating the ape file as some sort of wav.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> or audio track.
[06:27] <elyon225> dwidmann: How would I see if k3b can do that?
[06:27] <stdin> surgy: did your girlfriend set a password anywhere ?
[06:27] <surgy> stdin: yeah
[06:27] <surgy> stdin: whats wrong
[06:27] <surgy> ?
[06:28] <surgy> stdin: rightclick works but not leftclick
[06:28] <stdin> surgy: looking at the wiki, you need to compleat the OEM install
[06:28] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Grr... it says WAVE an has all the track information in the .cue file.  I thought since k3b knew all the track names, it must have been an image :)
[06:28] <elyon225> So I actually have to burn a CD just to rip the audio from it..
[06:28] <surgy> stdin: how?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  try 'file whatever.ape' and see what it thinks it is.
[06:29] <stdin> surgy: you need to run "sudo oem-config-prepare" (from a console) and the reboot
[06:29] <elyon225> Dr_willis: CDImage.ape: Monkey's Audio compressed format version 3970 with extra high compression, stereo, sample rate 44100
[06:29] <surgy> elyon225: have you tried K3B?
[06:29] <elyon225> surgy: I haven't tried actually BURNING it yet... just opening the .cue file.
[06:30] <surgy> elyon225: might wqanna burn it then open
[06:30] <Dr_willis>  extra high compression - isent that lovely!
[06:30] <elyon225> surgy: Yeah... wasn't just hoping to avoid having to burn it just to rip it to MP3's
[06:30] <elyon225> was*
[06:30] <surgy> stdin: how can i open the kdemenu without leftclick? my laptop has no "super" key
[06:31] <Jucato> surgy: Alt+F1
[06:31] <phobiac> surgy: Tab it maybe
[06:31] <phobiac> tap*
[06:31] <stdin> or from the tty login
[06:31] <underdog5004> how do, everyone!
[06:31] <phobiac> Usually with laptop mice tapping the pad doubles as a leftclick
[06:31] <surgy> jucato: thnx
[06:31] <Dr_willis> gnormalize decodes the MP3/MP4/MPC/OGG/APE/FLAC file to WAV,
[06:32] <Dr_willis> !info gnormalize
[06:32] <ubotu> Package gnormalize does not exist in any distro I know
[06:32] <underdog5004> lol, whoa...a limit to ubotu's knowledge...
[06:32] <Jucato> surgy: you can change the shortcut in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard shortcuts
[06:33] <brett_> anyone know anything about microphones? I just got a headset so that I can talk while I play a game, I am told that my system is having trouble mixing or something like that
[06:33] <surgy> stdin:this should fix my left click prob?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> K3b Monkey's Audio plugin 3.1         http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/K3b-Monkey-s-Audio-plugin-8572.shtml
[06:33] <underdog5004> brett_, is your audio card set to "full duplex"? you need that for mic and speakers
[06:33] <surgy> alyon225: is there an isobuster clone for linux?
[06:33] <phobiac> Has anyone ever installed cedega before?
[06:33] <underdog5004> !kiso
[06:33] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[06:33] <stdin> surgy: maybe
[06:34] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  lots of people have. :)
[06:34] <phobiac> I'm trying to follow the directions here: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS
[06:34] <surgy> phobiac: i have
[06:34] <Cuddles_Laptop> evening all.
[06:34] <brett_> underdog5004: yes. i changed it there yesterday
[06:34] <Dr_willis> but ive never used the cvs - i spent my $5
[06:34] <surgy> phobiac: what do you need to know?
[06:34] <phobiac> Dr_Willis: I meant someone here who might be able to help :P
[06:34] <underdog5004> hmm, can't help you...I've had the same trouble...ended up using a USB headset (for skype)
[06:34] <phobiac> surgy: The script returns this error: test: 43: ==: unexpected operator
[06:34] <phobiac> WineCVS.sh: 48: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[06:34] <brett_> underdog5004: i am planning on getting a new one because this one i don't think is good
[06:35] <brett_> underdog5004: if i get usb will that maybe make it easier to fix?
[06:35] <surgy> phobiac: spend the 5$ i cant get anything to compile
[06:35] <stdin> phobiac: how are you running it?
[06:35] <Cuddles_Laptop> question. when trying to connect with knetworkmanager, it gets as far as 28% (configuring hardware) and hangs. 100% signal strength, and the following in /var/log/messages - dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:35] <surgy> phobiac: i have never gotten anything to compile right
[06:35] <Cuddles_Laptop> any ideas on fixing this?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  thats a sign of a "bash vs dash" issue.. edit that .sh script and change the first like from #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash
[06:35] <phobiac> stdin: With the terminal, just like it says. sh WineCVS.sh
[06:35] <stdin> phobiac: try "bash WineCVS.sh"
[06:35] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Thanks, I'll try that
[06:35] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  IF you are lucky thats all it is...
[06:36] <phobiac> stdin I'll try that if Dr_willis' suggestion doesn't work
[06:36] <Dr_willis> and ya may want to use bash whateveritis.sh also. not 'sh'
[06:36] <phobiac> Hmm
[06:36] <Dr_willis> just hope it dosent call other scripts with sh whatever from within itself.
[06:36] <stdin> phobiac: it's the same solution really, just a different way :)
[06:36] <phobiac> It is #!/bin/bash
[06:36] <brett_> underdog5004: ?
[06:36] <phobiac> Ah okay
[06:37] <underdog5004> brett_, lol, sorry, readin' a book...yeah, it should work just fine
[06:37] <phobiac> Well, bash WineCVS.sh seems to be working
[06:37] <phobiac> I'll be back in a moment if I have any other issues
[06:37] <phobiac> Thanks
[06:37] <stdin> :)
[06:37] <underdog5004> fI'm using a Plantronics USB headset right now, it's not PnP, but a quick logout/login fixes that
[06:37] <phobiac> Err, hopefully though I won't be back! :D
[06:37] <stdin> heh
[06:38] <mervteck> i love wine ^^
[06:38] <mervteck> but the ppl in the wine channel are assholes =\
[06:38] <brett_> usb is easier to set up? I am having trouble choosing one. Other ones I have bought, this one included, require me to move the mic right next to my mouth or else no one can hear me. Do you know any good models?
[06:38] <surgy> stdin: its on password setup on oem setup, and i click finish and it doesnt finish....... it just clicks and does nothing
[06:38] <Dr_willis> The U.K.-based team that released the "Satanic" version of Ubuntu last December -- nicknamed "Evil Edgy" -- earlier this month added a KDE-based Kubuntu version.
[06:38] <phobiac> Hmmm, anyone know what profile to use?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> All righty! now i can make an XXX based Edgy! called "Erotic Edgy" :)
[06:39] <underdog5004> brett_, had the same problem w/ the mic, just turn it up in Kmix
[06:39] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:39] <surgy> dr_willis, your a perv
[06:39] <stdin> surgy: make sure the passwords match, then just try pressing enter
[06:39] <xsacha> Erotic Edgy Eft?
[06:39] <intelikey> what app would be the easiest to make a bar graph, for someone that has NEVER messed with a spred sheet ?
[06:39] <brett_> underdog5004: hmm, i remeber maxing the settings... no matter i will get a good usb one
[06:39] <xsacha> what would you call XXX version of Feisty Fawn?
[06:39] <phobiac> Feisty Fu...nvm family channel
[06:40] <underdog5004> xsacha, not even touching that one...
[06:40] <elyon225> xsacha: You wouldn't HAVE to change the name ;)
[06:40] <xsacha> :P
[06:40] <underdog5004> brett_, oh, I don't know, then...alsa kinda mystifies me...
[06:40] <surgy> stdin: nothing
[06:40] <elyon225> xsacha: I guess now we know what the Ubuntu team is REALLY working on...
[06:40] <xsacha> XXX version of edgy?
[06:40] <elyon225> xsacha: Nope.  A XXX version of Ubuntu - called Feisty Fawn.
[06:40] <elyon225> I went to school with a girl named Fawn once...
[06:41] <xsacha> that's hot
[06:41] <dope> i'm having trouble using unrar in the command line
[06:41] <underdog5004> !offtopic
[06:41] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:41] <dope> can someone help
[06:41] <dope> i don't know what to do :(
[06:41] <underdog5004> dope, are the files .rar's?
[06:41] <elyon225> Seriously does sound like a porn star's stage name.  But yeah, this is off-topic ;)
[06:41] <phobiac> brb
[06:41] <underdog5004> if not, why not just use tar?
[06:41] <surgy> dope: ask the question
[06:41] <dope> sorta
[06:41] <stdin> surgy: you can try adding a user the manual way, or you may just have to reinstall
[06:41] <Jucato> dope: what problem?
[06:41] <elyon225> !ask dope
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask dope - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <dope> i don't know how to use unrar
[06:41] <elyon225> !ask | dope
[06:41] <ubotu> dope: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:41] <Jucato> dope: install unrar (from multiverse) and use Ark
[06:41] <dope> i type unrar <filename>
[06:42] <dope> it's commandline
[06:42] <surgy> stdin: man seriously? ive reinstalled 12 times ona 600mhz 128 mb ram laptop, 13 hours of reinstalling!
[06:42] <stdin> or "unrar e file.rar"
[06:42] <dope> can i not unrar from the command line?
[06:42] <dope> ah
[06:42] <dope> lemme try that
[06:42] <Jucato> dope: yes you can. but don't you want to use the GUI? :P
[06:42] <dwidmann> perhaps "unrar x filename" ?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> !unp
[06:42] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[06:42] <Jucato> unrar x <file> would be correct
[06:42] <dope> oh
[06:42] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:43] <Dr_willis> of course ya need unrar installed to unpack stuff with 'unp' :)
[06:43] <dope> yay
[06:43] <elyon225> !info unp
[06:43] <dope> damn you guys know your stuff
[06:43] <stdin> surgy: I've never used an OEM install, so I don't know much about it
[06:43] <Jucato> heh.. ever heard of FAQ? :D
[06:43] <intelikey> one could only hope that that was  unrar -x filename
[06:43] <Dr_willis> is "whats a faq" the #1 on the Faq?
[06:43] <Jucato> heh
[06:44] <Jucato> intelikey: man unrar
[06:44] <dwidmann> DR_Willis: I think it's #2 after "How do I play mp3's"
[06:44] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I hate FAQs... just because the problem I have has never been answered by one.  With Linux, Windows, different apps, anything... they've NEVER helped me for some reason.
[06:44] <phobiac> Back
[06:44] <phobiac> Isn't a Fawn a baby deer..? That takes it in a whole different direction.
[06:44] <Jucato> intelikey: x there is not a switch
[06:44] <stdin> man unrar: "e      Extract files to current directory." "x      Extract files with full path."
[06:44] <Dr_willis> i love it when ya do a typo an the commands print  out the little help docs.. one optionis always --help, that also prints out the identical help docs.. :)
[06:44] <intelikey> it is a switch Jucato
[06:44] <underdog5004> and an eft is basically a newt
[06:44] <surgy> stdin: i closed the window and pressed alt + F3 and now its asking for username, how do i manually add one?
[06:45] <Jucato> intelikey: it's a command. do "unrar --help"
[06:45] <Jucato> it's a <command> in unrar
[06:45] <stdin> surgy: you can login as oem and use "adduser [username] "
[06:45] <stdin> surgy: that's actually "sudo adduser [username] "
[06:46] <Jucato> too bad the person who knows best about OEM is not here...
[06:46] <underdog5004> who, genii?
[06:46] <surgy> stdin: i cant login to oem anymore
[06:46] <Jucato> no. abattoir
[06:46] <intelikey> jucato i'd have to install it.  and i'm not going to do that just to help you make some moot point  :)
[06:46] <surgy> stdin: can i do that from recovery konsole?
[06:46] <stdin> surgy: ahh, then just reboot in to "recovery mode"
[06:46] <Jucato> intelikey: if it was moot, you would have dropped it before "it's a switch"
[06:46] <Jucato> :D
[06:47] <surgy> stdin: so its adduser [uname]  [pword]  ?
[06:47] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:47] <stdin> surgy: no, just the username, you'll be asked for the pass by the prompts
[06:47] <surgy> stdin: ok
[06:47] <intelikey> Jucato no... i never drop moot points     you should know that by now.
[06:48] <intelikey> i still say it's a switch....  potato tomato kinda thing  :)
[06:49] <Jucato> it's not a potato tomato kind of thing though... because it isn't a switch
[06:49] <intelikey> just like   install   or remove   are switches for apt-get
[06:50] <stdin> they are commands
[06:50] <Jucato> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/327730
[06:50] <surgy> i have a general question out of my ignorance vault i call a brain. Since OSX finds its roots in unix and linux finds its roots in unix then why can linux use itunes for osx?
[06:50] <intelikey> switches without dashes
[06:50] <Jucato> dont' argue with me. argue with the guys who made unrar and chose not to make 'x' into a switch
[06:50] <sparr> how can i find out which files reside in the RAM half of a livecd+ram unionfs?
[06:51] <Jucato> intelikey: I presume you have apt-get installed right?
[06:51] <stdin> surgy: because they use different binary formats
[06:51] <intelikey> lol   yeah apt is installed
[06:51] <Jucato> intelikey: do apt-get --help and see what install and remove are
[06:52] <intelikey> they are switches
[06:52] <Jucato> really?
[06:52] <Jucato> even if they are listed under "Commands:" ?
[06:52] <stdin> they are under "Commands:"
[06:52] <mervteck> anyone here know a good site to learn from to learn how to code in Linux?
[06:52] <surgy> stdin: how do i remove user [penguin]      i messed up :(
[06:52] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:52] <intelikey> yes command switches and opeion switches
[06:52] <surgy> stdin: is there an osx application layer?
[06:53] <intelikey> they turn functions on and off in the app
[06:53] <user_> aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[06:53] <Jucato> intelikey: --purge, -h, -v, those are switches
[06:53] <intelikey> option switches  ^
[06:53] <stdin> surgy: userdel -r username
[06:53] <Jucato> and if you ever did apt-get --help like I told you, you'd know
[06:53] <intelikey> Options:
[06:54] <intelikey>   -h  This help text.
[06:54] <Jucato> but of course, I know you didn't, because you presume that you are correct
[06:54] <intelikey> Jucato  yes and " install -u "  those are switches too
[06:54] <elyon225> Uh oh... so I just plugged in my mp3 player to delete all the music off of it.  But when I was finished, I "safely removed" it, but the files are still on the player.  When I plugged it back in and opened it in amaroK and Konq, it says there are no files... what am I missing??
[06:54] <Jucato> intelikey: no. "install" is the command, "-u" is the switch
[06:54] <stdin> surgy: osx may have been based on unix, as was linux, but they are totally different operating systems
[06:55] <intelikey> Jucato install is a command switch and -u is an option switch
[06:55] <stdin> !offtopic | Jucato, intelikey
[06:55] <ubotu> Jucato, intelikey: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:55] <surgy> stdin: well can i emulate osx?
[06:55] <stdin> Jucato, intelikey sorry, had to do it :)
[06:55] <Jucato> stdin: sorry, just getting irritated
[06:56] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone -please- help me with a problem using knetworkmanager?
[06:56] <stdin> surgy: maybe, but you have to remember that the hardware osx is designed for is different to the normal pc
[06:56] <dope> it's not possible to stream an avi file is it
[06:57] <intelikey> stdin first thing i did was asked a question... been waiting for and answer
[06:57] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, is it a wifi problem? if so, I prefer using Wlassistant
[06:57] <intelikey> what app would be the easiest to make a bar graph, for someone that has NEVER messed with a spred sheet ?
[06:57] <intelikey> repost ^
[06:57] <Jucato> intelikey: try kchart
[06:57] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog, same problem on it. same error too.
[06:57] <intelikey> kchart   kthanks
[06:57] <underdog5004> ok, no idea...are you using ndiswrapper?
[06:58] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, yes.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> kchart or open office
[06:58] <underdog5004> hmmm, what wireless card are you using?
[06:58] <surgy> stdin: thank you
[06:58] <surgy> stdin: your a life saver
[06:58] <ForgeAus> or a bitmap graphics proggy
[06:58] <stdin> surgy: heh, no problem :)
[06:58] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, linksys wpc300n
[06:59] <surgy> stdin: but how do i kill processes that i dont need? like cd burning
[06:59] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, took me 5 days, but it works
[06:59] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, ok, lemme google around
[06:59] <phobiac> Alright, having another issue with the script for installing Cedega
[06:59] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, i already have, but i found zilch
[06:59] <phobiac> It keeps saying "EOF from server", it's on teh 5th retry.
[07:00] <phobiac> I'm assuming it's trying to get the files from the server..
[07:00] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, you may want to use a pcmcia card or an alternate internel card...Orinoco Cards kick ass
[07:00] <stdin> surgy: if it's an X app, you can use Ctrl-Alt-Esc and click on the window, or you can kill it if you know its PID with "kill [PID] " or kill it by name with "killall [appname] " (<< that kills all instances of it)
[07:00] <underdog5004> lol, I've got one...I'll sell it to you...
[07:00] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, it's pcmcia
[07:00] <underdog5004> capitalism at its best...hee hee
[07:01] <underdog5004> no internal card capability?
[07:01] <underdog5004> bummer
[07:01] <mervteck> anyone else think steam needs to make a linux coppy?
[07:01] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, if i manually run ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 it works fine
[07:01] <phobiac> Bah, I'm going to bed. Night all.
[07:01] <surgy> stdin: ok let me rephrase myself, im native to windows trying to port myself, so i will explain it in windows terms and hope you understand. Im looking for either the services tool or msconfig (or a command line version) sorry i dont know another way to say it, its like two different languages sometimes
[07:02] <underdog5004> weird...so why not just use those? wrap it all up in a nice little .sh script add it to startup stuff
[07:02] <xsacha> surgy: a way to autostart something?
[07:02] <xsacha> gnome has a sort of start up thing like that and kde has autostart directory
[07:02] <surgy> atdin: a way to kill it and it wont start back, and maybe priority?
[07:02] <underdog5004> /home/user/.KDE/autostart
[07:02] <underdog5004> I believe
[07:02] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, tried that. it won't work on startup for some reason
[07:03] <surgy> underdog5004: and i can delete stuff from there and it will not start?
[07:03] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, hmmm, did you chmod +x the script?
[07:03] <underdog5004> surgy, no idea, never played w/ it...
[07:04] <stdin> surgy: hmm, it's been a while since I used windows, but do you want a way to control what services start at boot ?
[07:04] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, yes. but still no go. hence the knetworkmanager.
[07:04] <surgy> stdin: yes after i click "login" i want it to load only the minimal services im working with 128 mb ram
[07:04] <underdog5004> major bummer...I don't know...I'm all out of ideas, sorry!
[07:04] <underdog5004> surgy, how big is your swap?
[07:05] <surgy> underdaog5004: i dont know my girlefriend did the install
[07:05] <underdog5004> whoa...a girl using linux? /Sarcasm
[07:05] <surgy> underdog5004: im asumeing 1gb since its a 7 gb hdd
[07:05] <stdin> unlike in windows, the services will start at boot, not at login
[07:06] <underdog5004> surgy, I can't remember how to check the size of partitions...
[07:06] <underdog5004> sorry
[07:06] <stdin> sudo fdisk -l
[07:06] <surgy> stdin: sorry for changing to a different problem, but this is one that take presedence, the pcmcia ethernet card wont work. driver issue?
[07:06] <underdog5004> surgy, there you go
[07:06] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, another question then. is there -any- way to stop kopete from using kwallet?
[07:07] <underdog5004> I don't know...I don't use kopete nor kwallet
[07:07] <stdin> surgy: I've never used pcmcia, so I can't say for sure
[07:07] <surgy> stdin: the auto network config crashed on install
[07:08] <surgy> stdin: how do i run the autonetwork config again?
[07:08] <stdin> surgy: System Settings > Network Settings
[07:09] <surgy> stdin: thnx
[07:10] <amr> any one know how install   .tgz   file
[07:10] <stdin> depends what's in it
[07:11] <surgy> stdin: another problem.....
[07:11] <amr> its cedega
[07:11] <surgy> stdin: the root password isnt what we set it
[07:11] <stdin> !tar | amr
[07:11] <ubotu> amr: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[07:12] <stdin> surgy: we don't use the root account on *ubuntu, we use sudo
[07:12] <surgy> stdin: the pcmci card is installed but disabled, and we dont have the root password, so the only choice is recovery konsole
[07:12] <Jucato> that .tgz would most probably be source code you need to compile
[07:12] <amr> i know it's a ark  but i need to know how install in linux
[07:12] <stdin> surgy: you use _your_ password
[07:12] <surgy> stdin: sorry. but it asked in administrative mode for root password. we dont have it
[07:12] <surgy> stdin: i did it doesnt work
[07:12] <stdin> surgy: yep, use your pass
[07:13] <stdin> surgy: maybe you aren't in the admin group
[07:13] <surgy> stdin: says "coversation with su: failed"
[07:13] <Kyl1> Hello?
[07:14] <surgy> stdin: how do i add penguin (being my alias for chat) to be in administrative group?
[07:14] <Kyl1> Hmmm
[07:14] <Kyl1> I dunno
[07:15] <HymnToLife> surgy, sudo nano /etc/group, find the admin line, add your user
[07:15] <stdin> surgy: 1st check if you are in it, System Settings -> User Management -> groups, and click on admin
[07:15] <surgy> hymntolife: ill have to do it in recovery
[07:15] <HymnToLife> do it in recovery, then :p
[07:15] <Kyl1> Hey, how do you install KXdocker?
[07:16] <stdin> HymnToLife: how can he use sudo if he's not in the admin group ?
[07:16] <ssmasud> any NS2 experts over here?
[07:16] <Kyl1> Nope...
[07:16] <Kyl1> Not me.
[07:16] <HymnToLife> stdin, in recovery :p
[07:16] <Kyl1> me?
[07:16] <stdin> HymnToLife: then he still wouldn't use sudo :P
[07:16] <HymnToLife> he can omit it
[07:16] <HymnToLife> but it will work with it, too :p
[07:16] <ssmasud> I am having problems installing NS2....dependencies issue
[07:17] <surgy> stdin penguin uid 1000
[07:17] <underdog5004> NS...what?
[07:17] <surgy> stdin: group name penguin
[07:17] <HymnToLife> ssmasud, what is NS2 ?
[07:17] <ssmasud> Network Simulator
[07:17] <surgy> stdin: gid 1000
[07:18] <stdin> surgy: click on the "groups" tab, then click "admin" and look in the lower box and check if penguin is there
[07:19] <surgy> stdin: the only "admin" in groups is "administrative mode"
[07:19] <mervteck> does anyone know if battlefield 2142 will work on WINE not CADEGA?
[07:19] <stdin> surgy: what has a GID of "115" ?
[07:20] <surgy> stdin: after clicking on "show system groups" i find a gid of 113?
[07:20] <surgy> stdin: nothing with 115
[07:21] <stdin> surgy: do you see "admin" in there?
[07:21] <Tido> hey where can I configure Kspell?
[07:21] <surgy> stdin: sorry isee what your saying
[07:21] <surgy> stdin and no penguin is not there
[07:21] <Jucato> Tido: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Spell Checking
[07:21] <surgy> stdin: not in admin gid 113 anyways
[07:21] <mervteck> anyone know a linux gamers channel?
[07:21] <mervteck> for irc
[07:22] <Tido> thanks Jucato
[07:22] <HymnToLife> mervteck, google certainly knows
[07:22] <stdin> surgy: ok, open konsole and type "grep admin /etc/passwd"
[07:23] <hans_> #linux-gamers.net
[07:24] <mervteck> ty hans
[07:24] <Tido> hmm, Jucato, there isn't a 'Configure Spell Checking' in Konqueror's Settings menu
[07:24] <surgy> stdin: ok that output a line "gnats error reporting system (admin):/var/gnats:/bin/sh"
[07:24] <Jucato> Tido: there isn't? hm...
[07:25] <surgy> stdin: does that mean penguin has admin now?
[07:25] <stdin> surgy: ok, now "grep admin /etc/group"
[07:25] <Jucato> Tido: in System Settings, try searching for "spell" in the search box...
[07:26] <Tido> wow
[07:26] <Kyl1> Anyone know how to install KXDocker?/
[07:26] <Tido> I didn't know you could do that, thanks Jucato
[07:26] <Jucato> Tido: no problem. did you find it?
[07:27] <surgy> stdin: "lpadmin:x:109:"   "admin:x:113:"
[07:27] <Tido> Jucato: I did, however I'm sad to say the option I wanted isn't here
[07:27] <surgy> stdin: is that correct?
[07:27] <Tido> I want Kubuntu to always spell check input fields if it's an option
[07:27] <Tido> I'm tired of always having to remind it to auto spell check
[07:27] <stdin> surgy: no username after admin:x:113: ?
[07:27] <Jucato> Tido: ah... that depends on the app, I'm afraid
[07:27] <surgy> stdin: no
[07:28] <firecrotch> Okay... I need some SSH help
[07:28] <Kyl1> Haha
[07:28] <stdin> surgy: ok, then there aren't any users in there, you'll need to go in to recovery mode and add yourself to it
[07:28] <Kyl1> Took me long enough to do it with Windows....
[07:28] <Kyl1> What do you need, Stdin?
[07:29] <surgy> stdin: ok whats the file and directory?
[07:29] <Kyl1> Im a bit rusty forgive me. I set up my whole server...that was one of the things needed....
[07:29] <stdin> Kyl1: other than a coffee, nothing :)
[07:29] <Kyl1> So, yeah.
[07:29] <Kyl1> Cool.
[07:29] <firecrotch> Whenever I login to my remote webserver with SSH, I have to supply the user's password; how can I set things up to not have to use the password when logging in from my local machine?
[07:30] <underdog5004> firecrotch, why?
[07:30] <Kyl1> I don't think there is a way.
[07:30] <underdog5004> genii, hey, long time no see!!!! I'm matthew, but I finally registered a nick
[07:30] <Kyl1> I have always learned that you must have a password on the local machine to be able to log into it remotely.
[07:30] <firecrotch> underdog5004: to make things easier for myself?
[07:30] <genii> underdog5004: Hiya :)
[07:30] <underdog5004> got my own server up and running w/ lamp and rtorrent...yay!
[07:30] <stdin> surgy: you'll need to do "nano /etc/group" and add "penguin" so it looks like "admin:x:113:penguin", then press Ctrl-o to save and Ctrl-x to close it
[07:31] <underdog5004> firecrotch, if it's connected to the internet, don't do it...
[07:31] <underdog5004> genii, have you heard of screen?
[07:31] <firecrotch> underdog5004: I think you missed what I'm saying.  I mean to not have to use a password if and only if I am using this computer to connect
[07:32] <genii> underdog5004: Yes, it's an old unix utility for users to share a console. Very handy
[07:32] <underdog5004> oh...I don't know...there may be something in a ssh config file
[07:32] <underdog5004> genii, yeah, I use it to initiate rtorrent from a remote computer, then I can shutdown the remote computer and still leave rtorrent running
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: you need to use a public key https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto#head-1ff9e61cfd81e9f741920b6920af8a85f7bddb30
[07:33] <surgy> stdin: ok added and rebooting
[07:33] <genii> underdog5004: For something like that you can also run the process with a detach switch so it doesn't need the tty it was run from open to stay active
[07:34] <underdog5004> genii, what's the advantage?
[07:34] <underdog5004> that's different than screen, right? or is the detach switch for screen?
[07:34] <underdog5004> when I want to check on my downloads progress, I ssh into the server and do screen -r
[07:35] <firecrotch> stdin: thank you
[07:35] <genii> underdog5004: You can execute any program with the detach switch, from a console login. It's nothing to do with the screen command :)
[07:35] <underdog5004> oh, ok...so...   'rtorrent -detach' ?
[07:36] <underdog5004> and how do I re-attach, and what is the advantage over what I'm doing now?
[07:36] <genii> underdog5004: Pretty sure but lemme look it up, don't use it a whole lot
[07:37] <underdog5004> genii, the computer shop where I work is now dealing w/ kubuntu...I'm _so_ happy about it...got the owner of the shop to install edgy on his lappy...oh, and I configged kubuntu to use a modem...first time!
[07:38] <underdog5004> yay for me...
[07:38] <genii> underdog5004: Looks like just -d should work :)
[07:38] <underdog5004> sorry...it's pretty late...
[07:38] <underdog5004> rtorrent -d
[07:38] <underdog5004> gotcha
[07:38] <underdog5004> lol, took a double shot last night and was out like a light
[07:39] <dope> where do i set the global volume key shortcuts?
[07:39] <genii> underdog5004: My old Thinkpad is just able to run 5.10 Kubuntu... sometimes I'm waiting a minute for the browser to open etc etc
[07:39] <underdog5004> Thinkpad 600e?
[07:39] <underdog5004> That's what I've got...
[07:40] <surgy> stdin: success!
[07:40] <stdin> surgy: took a bit of work, but we got there in the end :)
[07:40] <genii> underdog5004: Nah, a A20m
[07:41] <underdog5004> ah
[07:41] <surgy> stdin: but even though eth0 is working and has obtained an ip from the network konq still wont display google.com
[07:41] <underdog5004> so...a FiOp line that serves the entire county of Humboldt (where I live) got cut a few days ago...totally sucked...
[07:41] <genii> celeron 400 and 128 ram
[07:41] <underdog5004> still pretty spotty
[07:41] <stdin> surgy: does this work http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:42] <underdog5004> genii, mines a 366 and 64 RAM...had 128, but lost the other card...oh well...never use it
[07:42] <surgy> stdin: yes
[07:42] <stdin> surgy: so it's a DNS issue
[07:42] <stdin> surgy: how do you connect to the net?
[07:42] <surgy> stdin: your the guru :)
[07:43] <surgy> stdin: pcmcia adapter to hub to adsl modem
[07:43] <stdin> surgy: so it's a direct connection? ie no router
[07:43] <surgy> adsl modem is a router/modem, that has four ports running to two hubs
[07:44] <stdin> surgy: seems that the router isn't sending you the dns servers
[07:44] <surgy> stdin: its a 2wire modem if your familiar
[07:45] <stdin> surgy: just for kicks, try disabling the network, then enable it again
[07:45] <surgy> stdin: my desktop, the one im talking to you on is on the same hub which is on the same port of the router as the laptop and it gets DNS perfectly
[07:46] <underdog5004> genii, if I detach rtorrent, how do I reattach it?
[07:46] <surgy> stdin: doing it now
[07:46] <genii> underdog5004: Incidentally if you ever come across the internal card for the built-in LAN plug on one of these lemme know. I have to use right now a pcmcia nic
[07:47] <surgy> stdin: at first the card whouldnt stay enabled so i had to check "obtain ip automaticly" did i screw up?
[07:47] <surgy> stdin: protocol is dhcp
[07:48] <surgy> stdin: if that helps
[07:48] <stdin> surgy: yeah, it should be dhcp
[07:48] <surgy> stdin: viola fixed
[07:48] <stdin> surgy: working now ?
[07:48] <surgy> stdin: like a champ
[07:49] <stdin> \o/ yay
[07:49] <sparr> how can i find out which files reside in the RAM half of a livecd+ram unionfs?
[07:49] <surgy> stdin: you really are a life saver, you are a god among geeks :)
[07:49] <genii> underdog5004: I'm not sure there is a way to reattach it. At least I've never tried to do that. I used this way before to run stuff like special instances of apache which would have run next boot but I came in on ssh for instance and run them detached.
[07:50] <elyon225> Could someone please help me figure out my MP3 player?  KDE says there are NO music files on it, but when I look at the list ON my mp3 player, it's still full.  I had tried deleting them on my computer but apparently it didn't work.  And I can't delete them AGAIN, because KDE says they're not there.
[07:50] <Nothing> surgy, now you know how I feel about genii...
[07:51] <surgy> stdin: lol j/k
[07:51] <genii> surgy I've heard stdin likes offerings of food and money :)
[07:51] <stdin> surgy: heh, that's ok, you don't have to do that :)
[07:51] <genii> Nothing heh!
[07:51] <Nothing> surgy, he helped me for about 6 hours one day configuring my ati video card
[07:51] <stdin> food, money and coffee :)
[07:51] <genii> Nothing Ah, hi again matthew LOL wasn't sure but am now who it is
[07:52] <underdog5004> weird...I got disconnected then got assigned the name "Nothing"
[07:52] <underdog5004> there goes my self-esteem
[07:53] <surgy> nothing: yea so far he has walked me through like 90 percent of like six installs
[07:53] <underdog5004> nice
[07:53] <underdog5004> surgy, I was nothing...now I'm me
[07:53] <genii> underdog5004: BTW I found a site that tells how to reattach a background process to a shell, looks useful
[07:53] <surgy> genii: lol
[07:53] <genii> I didn't even know til now it was possible to do, learn something every day
[07:54] <underdog5004> genii, links or it didn't happen...
[07:54] <underdog5004> lol
[07:54] <surgy> underdog5004: we should erect a bronze statue of a moose and in the caption, "If It Weren't For STDIN The World Whould Be Of Windows"
[07:55] <underdog5004> surgy, a moose? not a penguin? that's what my personal shrine to genii is, anyways...
[07:55] <genii> underdog5004: OK it's macosx centric but I just tried it and it works on my home box: http://macosx.com/forums/unix-x11/281602-re-attach-process.html
[07:55] <stdin> a moose ? :P
[07:55] <elyon225> Okay, the files on my mp3 player show up in the console, but not in Konq... what's the deal and how can I delete them all?
[07:55] <genii> underdog5004: A large gold-plated urn of coffee will do ROFL
[07:55] <surgy> underdog5004: lol moose just sounds kewl, like techy or junky, you know moose, genii will have to be an otter
[07:55] <underdog5004> elyon225, have you mounted the mp3 player?
[07:55] <underdog5004> otter?
[07:55] <underdog5004> lol
[07:55] <underdog5004> genii, the urn is on its way...
[07:56] <genii> :)
[07:56] <elyon225> underdog5004: Not manually, but it mounted automatically when I plugged it in.
[07:56] <underdog5004> how do you know? is there an icon on the desktop?
[07:56] <elyon225> underdog5004: I can open all the folders on the player within Konq, but it says my music folder is empty (although in the konsole, it shows files)
[07:56] <elyon225> underdog5004: Yes.
[07:57] <underdog5004> elyon225, hmm, weird... genii ?
[07:57] <surgy> underdog5004: you mean you know how to mount mp3 players? if you can help me mount my ipod 2.0 ill make a peguin statue out of ice cream for you
[07:58] <genii> underdog5004: I need to logoff actually and head to the office. If this is still on in about 30 minutes I can maybe help more then. Right now no time
[07:58] <stdin> !ipod | surgy
[07:58] <ubotu> surgy: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:58] <Jucato_> elyon225: you can't see the files in Konqueror? or Amarok just doesn't see them?
[07:58] <stdin> !rockbox
[07:58] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:58] <underdog5004> lol, I've no idea...but it seems logical that you can mount it as a mass storage device ie. sda1, etc
[07:58] <stdin> s/used/uses/
[07:58] <elyon225> Jucato_: In Konqueror (amaroK doesn't see them either).  But I can run ls in the konsole and they show up fine.
[07:58] <genii> yeah normally all the usb stuff gets seen as scsi
[07:59] <elyon225> Jucato_: However, when trying to cd into one of the folders, it gives me an I/O error lol
[07:59] <genii> underdog5004, stdin and all.... see you guys in about half hour when I can yack more :)
[07:59] <Tido> !rockbox
[07:59] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:59] <underdog5004> genii, I'll probably be in bed...g'night when you leave
[07:59] <surgy> stdin: gtkpod and amarok are no good for ipod 2.0 they only work for <ipod1.6
[07:59] <Jucato_> elyon225: tried to click on the Refresh/Reload button?
[07:59] <stdin> later genii :)
[07:59] <genii> underdog5004: aH, ok... SLEEP WELL THEN AND CATCH YOU LATER
[07:59] <surgy> but banshee is a new one
[07:59] <genii> damn capslock
[08:00] <elyon225> Jucato_: Yeah... nothing.
[08:00] <stdin> surgy: I use rockbox anyway, so I wouldn't know
[08:00] <surgy> stdin: for your ipod?
[08:01] <stdin> surgy: yeah
[08:01] <surgy> ipod 2.0?
[08:01] <Jucato_> :(
[08:01] <surgy> stdin: i searched for a week and came here for a minute
[08:01] <stdin> it's a 2GB nano (it was a gift)
[08:02] <stdin> I can play frozen bubble on it, I love that :)
[08:02] <underdog5004> lol
[08:02] <elyon225> Jucato_: Outta ideas? :(
[08:02] <Jucato_> elyon225: yeah.. sorry :(
[08:03] <surgy> stdin: my g/f is an ipod freak she has a 4gb pink one, i dont think its nano but its smaller than the original
[08:03] <elyon225> Well, just a word of caution to everyone... stay away from Sansa mp3 players... had a TON of trouble with mine (even in Windows)
[08:03] <elyon225> If it WORKED, though... it would kick iPod's butt.
[08:04] <stdin> all my music is in ogg format, so I don't use the apple firmware
[08:04] <surgy> stdin: i fell in love with amarok + K3B they are the perfect combo, only lake ipod 2.0 support :(
[08:04] <surgy> stdin: but she has kuubuntu now :) she can get rockbox
[08:04] <stdin> rockbox works with windows too
[08:06] <surgy> stdin: its a pink nano 4gb will it work on rockbox?
[08:06] <stdin> surgy: I have a looksee
[08:07] <surgy> stdin: i have no idea about any of them
[08:07] <surgy> whats a looksee
[08:07] <elyon225> Im looking at Rockbox now... too bad I can't put that on my player.
[08:08] <stdin> seems rockbox supports the 1st gen nano, but not the 2nd get ones
[08:08] <surgy> stdin: yeah i keep running into that
[08:09] <stdin> it may to at a later date, but they have to reverse engineer a load of stuff first
[08:10] <surgy> stdin: and thats firmware...... i dont want to put a firmware that "probably" wont work on her ipod she whould kill me if i crashed it
[08:10] <stdin> heh
[08:11] <stdin> you could *try* using itunes in wine, but that's WAY outta my league
[08:11] <stdin> (as I don't use wine)
[08:12] <surgy> stdin: itunes uses quicktime, quicktime is out of my league but qphtunes (an alternative) doesnt which i could cedega, but if i use cedega to run it will it find it? since its mount point will obviously be different than in windows?
[08:13] <stdin> i'm not a wine expert, but it's possible it could work
[08:14] <MotorCityMadMan> when doing a traceroute from shell what do the *** mean ?
[08:14] <stdin> MotorCityMadMan: usually means that the ping timed out
[08:15] <MotorCityMadMan> stdin: first two hops showed the *. if timing out is the reason. but why ?
[08:16] <stdin> MotorCityMadMan: some hosts don't reply to pings
[08:16] <stdin> firewalled
[08:16] <MotorCityMadMan> o*O
[08:16] <surgy> traceroute [ipaddress]  shows all the ip hops and pings of each from localhost to [ipaddress]  right?
[08:17] <MotorCityMadMan> yes
[08:17] <stdin> yep, it traces the route :)
[08:18] <MotorCityMadMan> i just hate those little stars :-()
[08:18] <frojnd> how can I update mz openOffice?
[08:19] <frojnd> my?
[08:19] <Jucato_> frojnd: if you installed from the repositories, you'd have to wait until an update is made available for it
[08:19] <frojnd> It came directly with kubuntu :)
[08:19] <frojnd> edgy..
[08:19] <Tido> are there better options for mozilla than mplayer?
[08:20] <Jucato_> frojnd: yep, you'd have to wait...
[08:21] <mervteck> anyone know where i can get the codec to get ventrilo to work. im running it in wine
[08:23] <mervteck> anyone know?
[08:52] <kraut> moin
[09:05] <tanlaan> hey everyone
[09:09] <genii> stdin Still here I see :)
[09:09] <koriel> hi all...does anybody knows why my nic is being reset somehow from time to time...I've set an ip manually and from time to time the nic looses this ip and I loose my connection
[09:10] <stdin> genii: yep, me and my coffee :)
[09:10] <m1r4g3> koriel it seems your dhcp client is still trying to get an ip
[09:11] <genii> stdin I waited and waited for a streetcar to work then some ppl walked by and told me it was in an accident so I gave up and came back home
[09:11] <koriel> how to I disable the dhcp in kubuntu
[09:11] <dethklok> Whooo
[09:12] <dethklok> !p2p
[09:12] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[09:12] <stdin> genii: heh, I'm on a week off, I go back to work on tuesday
[09:12] <m1r4g3> easiest way is to open the system settings and go to the network settings
[09:13] <genii> stdin If I had a week off I'd go somewhere with no computers LOL
[09:13] <stdin> genii, I can't live without a computer :P
[09:15] <dethklok> !limewire
[09:15] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[09:15] <m1r4g3> koriel if you want to use the cli, go the man page of interfaces (/etc/network/interfaces)
[09:16] <dethklok> !frostwire
[09:16] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:16] <genii> stdin Once in a while I need tojust turn em off for a couple days. At home and both places I work at I can't get away.
[09:16] <stdin> genii: that's what pubs are for
[09:17] <dethklok> random question, in the terminal, does pushing tab do an auto complete like gentoo?
[09:17] <Jucato_> dethklok: yes
[09:18] <dethklok> sweet
[09:19] <dethklok> and i'm trying to download frostwire.. but i only see a link for a .tar.gz and .rpm... shouldn't there be a .deb also?
[09:19] <dethklok> never mind, im a noob
[09:19] <dethklok> i found it
[09:19] <Viglen> hello
[09:19] <Viglen> i had ubuntu installed, i updated to kde
[09:19] <HymnToLife> !frostwire | dethklok
[09:19] <ubotu> dethklok: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:19] <Viglen> now everything in the programs list is messed up
[09:19] <HymnToLife> other useful installation tips in there :)
[09:19] <Viglen> i have uniconed entries
[09:20] <Viglen> duplicates
[09:20] <HymnToLife> Viglen, remove those you don't like
[09:21] <Viglen> how?
[09:21] <HymnToLife> GNOME or KDE ?
[09:21] <Viglen> kde
[09:23] <Viglen> well?
[09:25] <smaggard> kde
[09:25] <smaggard> bettuh
[09:25] <HymnToLife> Viglen, in your K menu editor
[09:26] <amr> hi
[09:26] <HymnToLife> KControl > Desktop > Panels > Menu tab
[09:27] <Jucato_> right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel
[09:27] <Jucato_> or, right-click on the K Menu -> Menu Editor
[09:28] <Jucato_> HymnToLife: kubuntu doesn't show kcontrol by default
[09:28] <HymnToLife> Alt+F2 > kcontrol ftw
[09:28] <genii> OK: Todays puzzler - I have 2 usb drives. I always want the one drive to be seen as sda and the other to be sdb no matter if I haveonly 1 or the other or both plugged in. Any way to do this?
[09:29] <HymnToLife> that's one of the thingd I dislike about Kubuntu
[09:29] <surgy> genii: your still on here? your a trooper lol
[09:29] <HymnToLife> things*
[09:29] <genii> surgy I left and returned :)
[09:29] <surgy> genii: and honest :) lol j/k
[09:32] <codyt> hi
[09:32] <surgy> hi codyt :)
[09:32] <surgy> hello kai
[09:33] <codyt> bad lag..
[09:37] <genii> Anyone using xfce 4.4 yet?
[09:38] <ners> n
[09:38] <dethklok> oops
[09:38] <smaggard> anyone using kubuntu 9.0 yet?
[09:39] <pgdown> 9?
[09:39] <smaggard> .0
[09:39] <genii> smaggard Latest is pre 7.04 (Feisty)
[09:39] <smaggard> 9.0
[09:40] <dsterry> edgy would be kubuntu 6.10 right?
[09:40] <smaggard> yeah
[09:40] <smaggard> i just installed doppler 9
[09:40] <genii> since ubuntu numbering is year.month   v 9 won't be out for 2 years
[09:40] <genii> LOL
[09:41] <dsterry> do people use kontact or get thunderbird or what?
[09:42] <Tim_4117> Hello, could someone take some time in private or something please and help me since I'm kinda a noob with computers, Lol.
[09:42] <surgy> Tim_4117: first Lesson: dont ask to ask just ask
[09:42] <genii> dsterry Evolution is the default and works well. A lot of people prefer Thunderbird tho
[09:43] <Jucato_> Evolution is the default *in Ubuntu*
[09:43] <Tim_4117> Could someone help me in private perhaps?
[09:43] <dsterry> that's funny, this is a fresh install and it's got kontact
[09:43] <Jucato_> dsterry: it's the default in Kubuntu
[09:43] <dsterry> i use thunderbird on ubuntu but just wondered if kontact is any better than evolution...i didn't like it
[09:44] <surgy> tim i pmed you
[09:44] <genii> Jucato LOL forgot my distros. Actually I upgraded from gnome to kde and just kept using the Evolution mail without thinking if it came with the kde or not
[09:44] <Tim_4117> Lots of help in the computer and hardware section
[09:45] <surgy> tim_4117: i pmed you do you need help or not?
[09:47] <Tim_4117> Yeah the private thing needs me to register...
[09:47] <surgy> tim_4117: join #dew
[09:49] <genii> dsterry Anyhow you can install mozilla-thunderbird package for some usable mail client
[09:51] <martin> hello?
[09:51] <juano> im trying to reinstall grub
[09:51] <juano> i tried !grub, not much luck, windows passed over my mbr
[09:51] <surgy> whats the defualt directory of grub?
[09:52] <juano> i tried root (hd1,0) and then setup (hd0)
[09:52] <genii> it's/boot/grub
[09:53] <genii> (the default directory it's in) From the command line it's bios type convention like juano is trying
[09:54] <genii> juano What happened that you need to reinstall grub?
[09:56] <juano> genii i reinstalled windows
[09:56] <stdin> if you did "root (hd1.0)" wouldn't you do "setup (hd1)" not "setup (hd0)" ?
[09:57] <juano> stdin i tried setup (hd1) too
[09:57] <juano> stdin it didnt work
[09:57] <juano> stdin i tried then for hd0 didnt work
[09:57] <stdin> hmm
[09:57] <juano> stdin i have my first HDD for windows
[09:58] <juano> stdin my second HDD all for ubuntu
[09:58] <Jucato> root (hdx,x) <--- the partition where /boot/grub/stage1 is
[09:58] <Jucato> setup (hdx) <--- drive on whose MBR you want to install GRUB to
[09:58] <Jucato> the  hdx,x and hdx doesn't necessarily have to be the same drive
[09:58] <juano> Jucato yep, i tried, ill try again
[09:58] <genii> juano If you boot to livecd should be able to mount the old linux partition which contained /boot/grub directory then run the grub reinstall using the conf info from there
[09:59] <Jucato> juano: where are you doing these commands? did you do "sudo grub" first?
[09:59] <juano> genii Jucato stdin ok thanks for your help! be back in some minutes
[09:59] <juano> Jucato yes
[09:59] <Jucato> hm.. ok.. weird...
[09:59] <juano> Jucato i tried from live cd and also you can press c to get a command line from grub
[10:00] <juano> cause i got grub installed except it wont mount the linux partition
[10:00] <juano> Jucato the menu looks just like before though
[10:00] <juano> Jucato maybe i need to check the menu.lst
[10:00] <stdin> does it start booting the kernel at all ?
[10:00] <Jucato> did you move partitions?
[10:00] <juano> stdin nope, error 17
[10:00] <Jucato> hm.. wait
[10:00] <juano> Jucato not at all
[10:01] <genii> if by accident you installed grub to the partition containg your old / fdisk will show the partition type as acorn and not linux
[10:02] <juano> genii what does this mean_
[10:02] <genii> I'm pretty sure the 17 error is wrong partition type
[10:02] <juano> genii ahh
[10:02] <juano> genii i need to check my /boot/grub/menu.lst then?
[10:02] <genii> Another user here did this by mistake, it can be recovered
[10:03] <Jucato> juano: check if the entries in menu.lst for Kubuntu correctly points to the right partitions
[10:03] <juano> Jucato ok, ill check this
[10:03] <juano> thanks for the help guys, be right back!
[10:04] <genii> well, I would try to run fdisk from livecd on the drive which is supposed to have the old / and see it has linux type or lvm type for the partition that is supposed to mount root
[10:07] <fiberchunks> or should I just buy a bloody usb CD drive to install it -- course, then I'd need madwifi for my wireless card, or I can't upgrade -- it's a problem.
[10:08] <genii> fiberchunks Do you have some desktop around?
[10:09] <fiberchunks> sorry, don't get what you mean?
[10:11] <fiberchunks> i've got the .iso of kubuntu -- and I can install in vmware player -- but that's pretty useless, as it only uses pseudo devices, instead of my real devices, or am I missing something?
[10:11] <stdin> you can make your own live cd, ot customise the desktop cd
[10:12] <genii> fiberchunks Ah OK... it is an unusual install situation then. If it was something like it didn't like the kernel or whatever there is a way if you can hook it to a desktop system which will netboot and install that way
[10:12] <fiberchunks> indeed
[10:14] <dethklok> so like, i have java installed, and limewire installed but limewire dosent open.... just begins to but stops
[10:14] <fiberchunks> essentially, I've determined that I need to either 1) get a usb cdrom (the cdrom isn't detected because for some reason edgy liveCD doesn't have a whole bunch of drivers enabled by default - namely pata_marvell - which allows my ide cdrom to work properly.)
[10:14] <stamen> hi
[10:14] <stamen> can QEMU read linux partitons
[10:15] <Jucato> !qemu
[10:15] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[10:15] <fiberchunks> ha, or 2) get an ide->usb converter and hook the drive up to that, or 3) install opensuse, which does better hardware auto-detection (but kubuntu is my distro of choice
[10:15] <genii> fiberchunks Actually the netboot way may work for you then, if you have a spare box around to be a dhcp server and if your laptop can do pxeboot
[10:16] <stdin> dethklok: you probably need to change "#!/bin/sh" to "!#/bin/bash" in /usr/bin/limewire
[10:16] <fiberchunks> I had a bunch of machines, but they're all gone now -- otherwise that definitely would've been my choice :(
[10:17] <fiberchunks> and more importantly, if my machine will even boot off usb stick
[10:18] <stdin> fiberchunks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[10:18] <genii> fiberchunks Not a bad idea actually.
[10:18] <fiberchunks> stdin: danke
[10:18] <stdin> :)
[10:18] <genii> heh stdin to the rescue :)
[10:18] <juano> Jucato: im on live cd now
[10:18] <juano> Jucato: how do i mount my root partition??
[10:18] <genii> juano Hi, welcome back
[10:19] <Jucato> juano: you don't need to
[10:19] <juano> genii: hi im on live cd
[10:19] <Jucato> as long as you know where /boot is
[10:19] <juano> Jucato: fine but there is no /grub dir
[10:19] <genii> Well you need the old /boot from the hd not the livecd /boot dir
[10:19] <juano> Jucato: my ubuntu partitions are hdc1 hdc2 and hdc5
[10:20] <Jucato> juano: you don't need that. just as long as you know what  drive/partition /boot is located
[10:20] <dethklok> stdin, eh, what?
[10:20] <juano> Jucato: which is my boot partition?
[10:20] <dethklok> stdin, just rename it?
[10:20] <stdin> dethklok: no, edit the file
[10:21] <juano> Jucato: where can i find out where my /boot is located?
[10:21] <fiberchunks> well, I need to think on this more -- thanks for the help / info y'all -- gnight
[10:21] <Jucato> hm...
[10:21] <genii> fiberchunks good luck with it
[10:21] <juano> Jucato: cant i just chroot and mount my files?
[10:21] <stdin> dethklok: actually, just checked, you need to change "sh runLime.sh" to "bash runLime.sh" in that file, it's just a text script
[10:22] <Jucato> juano: well, if you chroot, there won't be need to mount the files. just try to see where the /boot directory is. it's usually together with the / directory in the same partition, unless you separated it
[10:23] <genii> should usually be 2nd partition eg: hdc2 or so in this case
[10:23] <juano> Jucato: from live cd i cant see any of my files on the hard disk
[10:23] <juano> Jucato: this dirs are from the live cd
[10:23] <juano> Jucato: i want to see my HDD /
[10:23] <Jucato> juano: of course, they're not mounted... you can temporarily mount them if you like.
[10:23] <stamen> how can I use Cd-rom in QEMU
[10:24] <juano> Jucato: how can i mount them_
[10:24] <Jucato> juano: don't you know which partition you installed / (root) into?
[10:24] <surgy> good night everyone
[10:24] <Jucato> I mean which of the three you gave? hdc1, hdc2 or hdc3?
[10:24] <dethklok> stdin, there is no file /usr/bin/limewire ...?
[10:24] <juano> Jucato: whats the command to mount them?
[10:24] <Jucato> er.. hdc5?
[10:24] <Jucato> juano: first make a temporary mount point/directory
[10:25] <stdin> dethklok: you have limewire installed?
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: hdc5 is swap
[10:25] <Jucato> hdc2 is what?
[10:25] <genii> juano If you go to command line then make a temporary dir like:mkdir  /mnt/tmp  then you can attempt manual mount like: mount -t ext3 /dec/hdc2 /mnt/tmp    then try to ls /mnt/tmp
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: hdc1 has the whole 70 GB
[10:25] <juano> and hdc2 is the extended
[10:25] <dethklok> stdin, hehehe, im dumb... i installed frostwire... :-p
[10:25] <dethklok> blah
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: so hdc2 would be it right???
[10:25] <genii> dev  not dec LOL
[10:25] <stdin> that'll be i them :P
[10:25] <Jucato> juano: did you install Kubuntu in just one partition?
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: yes
[10:26] <Jucato> juano: which partition? hdc1 or hdc2?
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: hdc2, its the whole 70 GB
[10:26] <genii> perhaps lvm
 Jucato: hdc1 has the whole 70 GB <-- I'm confused...
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: hdc1 i mean
[10:26] <Jucato> ok..
[10:26] <Jucato> juano: so everything, including /home is in one big partition?
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: how do i mount hdc1?
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: yes
[10:26] <dethklok> stdin, sry im so difficult to work with :-p..... contents of /usr/bin/frostwire:
[10:26] <dethklok> bash /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrostwire.sh
[10:27] <Jucato> juano: ok then, your /boot directory would be in that partition
[10:27] <juano> Jucato: ok, but i need to mount it first
[10:27] <Jucato> juano: which means, the command in grub should be "root (hd2,0)"
[10:27] <stdin> dethklok: try running frostwire from konsole, see if you get any errors
[10:27] <Jucato> juano: why do you have to mount it first?
[10:28] <juano> Jucato: oh ... i see, but how come when i did find /boot/grub/stage1 it returned root (hd1,0)??
[10:28] <juano> sorry it returned (hd1,0)
[10:28] <Jucato> juano: what's in hdb1?
[10:28] <juano> hdc1 you mean?
[10:28] <juano> hdb is the cd-rom i think
[10:28] <Jucato> no. hd1,0 = hdb1
[10:29] <Jucato> for GRUB, hdb1 is (hd1,0)
[10:29] <dethklok> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2849/
[10:29] <genii> juano Did you add or remove physical hard drives when you put windoze on?
[10:29] <juano> genii: yes, i was at my brothers with the other HDD that had the grub mbr on it, but i passed it over with windows ntldr
[10:29] <stdin> dethklok: have you installed sun-java5-jre ?
[10:30] <genii> Jucato Some bios confuse grub. They report for instance hdb as not installed so hdc becomes (hd1) for grub
[10:30] <dethklok> stdin, idk, I just downloaded what ever https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire told me to
[10:30] <juano> genii: but when i got back here, i plugged in the IDE drive just as it was, and well, now trying to reinstall grub
[10:30] <dethklok> stdin, sry not that... this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[10:30] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:30] <dwidmann> I've always wondered something, what does grub do when there are both SATA and PATA drives installed ...
[10:31] <juano> Jucato: so... what should i do? in grub prompt? root (hd2,0) ???
[10:31] <Jucato> genii: could you take over and help juano? I need to do something else...
[10:31] <genii> Jucato Will do
[10:31] <stdin> dethklok: maybe you need to run "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[10:31] <juano> Jucato: if everything is in hdc1, what should i do?
[10:32] <Jucato> juano: yes. root (hd2,0)
[10:32] <juano> Jucato: and then setup (hd2) ??
[10:32] <juano> or setup (hd1) ??
[10:32] <genii> juano Yes, if it looks from the livecd that the drive is hdc, then grub should see it now as (hd2,0)
[10:32] <dethklok> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2850/
[10:32] <juano> genii: ah ok
[10:33] <juano> Jucato: no prob, thanks for all the help
[10:33] <dethklok> stdin, just push enter?
[10:33] <juano> genii: so its root (hd2,0)
[10:33] <genii> juano Yes
[10:33] <juano> genii: then setup (hd0)
[10:33] <stdin> dethklok: press 3
[10:33] <dethklok> stdin: kk
[10:33] <genii> juano Yes, hd0 for setup. This is for the mbr
[10:34] <juano> genii: yep, ok ill try thanks!
[10:34] <dethklok> stdin: now try to run frostwire again?
[10:34] <genii> juano I'll be here for more help if it goes wrong
[10:34] <stdin> dethklok: yep, see if works now
[10:34] <juano> genii: grub> root (hd2,0)
[10:34] <juano> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[10:34] <dethklok> stdin, omg! how do you own so much?
[10:35] <amr> hi plz help
[10:35] <stdin> dethklok: heh, you're welcome :)
[10:35] <stephan> some program is blocking my audio device
[10:35] <dwidmann> as often as stdin in is here, how could he not?
[10:35] <dwidmann> I think stdin is setting records :O
[10:35] <juano> genii: ?? any ideas?
[10:35] <amr> i've done every thing in the ubuntuforum.org to install beryl themes but
[10:35] <stephan> is there a way to analyse which program is blocking?
[10:36] <amr> when i chose beryle from menu and start it the computer freezes
[10:36] <amr> help
[10:36] <genii> juano OK. When you removed the hard drive before, it was probably on a different ribbon than it is now, or maybe the master/slave settings have changed
[10:36] <juano> genii: nope, same master slave configs and pluggings
[10:36] <koriel> anybody installed db2 on kubuntu?
[10:36] <stdin> amr: is that with xgl?
[10:37] <amr> what xgl ?
[10:37] <dethklok> stdin, but u didnt answer the question!?!?! lol
[10:37] <genii> juano Physically in the machine, how are things arranged?  Is it like this as you can see?
[10:37] <amr> i don't know xgl ?
[10:37] <dethklok> !xgl | amr
[10:38] <ubotu> amr: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:38] <stdin> dethklok: 10 years of fixing my own mistakes, that's how :P
[10:38] <dethklok> stdin: oic
[10:38] <dethklok> well big thanks... again.. lol
[10:38] <stdin> :)
[10:38] <stdin> amr: what video card do you have ?
[10:39] <juano> genii: i got my hdc1 mounted now!
[10:40] <juano> genii: im in my /grub/menu.lst
[10:40] <genii> juano OK, good :) Please pastebin it for me
[10:40] <juano> genii: ok sec
[10:40] <genii> juano I'm getting a coffee, back in a minute or 2
[10:41] <juano> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2851/
[10:41] <stdin> genii can't function without coffee
[10:42] <juano> stdin: lol, check my menu.lst if you want too
[10:44] <snowrichard> hello
[10:44] <dwidmann> 'ello
[10:44] <snowrichard> anyone want to critique my new web page lol
[10:45] <juano> genii: ?
[10:45] <juano> genii: you there?
[10:45] <genii> juano Change lines 118 and 126 and 132  to read (hd2,0)
[10:45] <genii> juano Yes, I'm returned with coffee and looking at pastebin LOL
[10:45] <dwidmann> it's already running this hot at 70% load ... guess I'll have to switch fans :\
[10:46] <juano> genii: sure? when i tried root (hd2,0) in grub prompt told me this: disk doesnt exist
[10:46] <genii> dwidmann degrees celcius how much?
[10:47] <genii> juano Yes, this is the correct hd # for where the hd is, if the livecd sees it as hdc
[10:47] <juano> genii: grub> root (hd2,0)
[10:47] <juano> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[10:47] <dwidmann> 55, but I'm only at 70% load
[10:47] <juano> genii: thats what happened when i tried that in grub prompt
[10:47] <juano> genii: does it matter? should i change it wanyway?
[10:48] <genii> juano Is grub beginning when you try to boot?
[10:48] <genii> or straight to windoze   etc etc
[10:48] <juano> genii: yes
[10:48] <juano> genii: its beginning yes
[10:48] <juano> genii: when i hit ubuntu to boot i get error 17
[10:48] <genii> juano OK, so then just make the changes I stated in that file and try again
[10:49] <juano> genii: ok so i change hd1 to hd2
[10:49] <koriel> anybody knows why limewire doesn't startup...I have edgy and compiz and it complains about java and I have jdk 1.5 which limewire finds it. and then just crashes after showing the logo and some loading functions
[10:49] <genii> dwidmann 55 is fine. Around 72 start to worry
[10:49] <juano> genii: how about this root=/dev/hdc1
[10:49] <juano> genii: should i leave that like it is?
[10:49] <genii> juano Yes that line is fine
[10:50] <juano> genii: ok im trying now
[10:50] <juano> genii: brb
[10:50] <genii> juano I'll be here :)
[10:50] <dwidmann> genii, I figure mprime could raise it to around 65 or so, granted, that's not a realistic load
[10:50] <juano> genii: ok brb
[10:51] <genii> dwidmann my main system runs around 68 idling and 74 hot, throttles at 76
[10:51] <dwidmann> I have a better fan laying around, I just didn't want to use it because it's a PITA to put on
[10:52] <Theory> oh, these are fan speeds, i thought you were talking load averages
[10:52] <Theory> s/fan speeds/temperatures/
[10:52] <genii> In my case degrees celcius
[10:52] <dwidmann> we were talking cpu temperatures (celsius)
[10:53] <genii> It's an overclocked coppermine so a bit warmer than usual for that cpu type
[10:53] <dwidmann> I barely touched the clock speed on mine and the temperature jumped out of its pants
[10:54] <stdin> my cpu is at 32C
[10:54] <genii> dwidmann If you plan to OC it use a good fan and some arctic sliver thermal paste
[10:54] <dwidmann> I've been meaning to either put a better fan on or go liquid .... I need to drag performance out of this guy somehow
[10:54] <genii> silver not sliver LOL
[10:55] <dwidmann> I've got AS5 and a half decent stock fan, I have a better fan in the closet ...
[10:55] <stdin> heh http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20071832660125.gif
[10:55] <genii> stdin What, you have your computer in a deep freeze or something?
[10:55] <dwidmann> I figure with liquid it would probably run at about that temperature
[10:56] <stdin> genii: that's what ksensors says
[10:56] <dwidmann> my cpu is running at a steady 55C, motherboard at 35C
[10:56] <stdin> mb is at 42
[10:56] <genii> yeah some sensors are on mb some on cpu
[10:57] <dwidmann> I'm still not sure what temp3 is o.O
[10:57] <genii> dwidmann liquid cooled is a pita sometimes you need to wait an hour for coolant to settle after shutting down to boot up again etc etc
[10:57] <dwidmann> genii: I can only imagine
[10:58] <stdin> dwidmann: me nither, but it's at 2-3C
[10:58] <dwidmann> Jeeze, cold
[10:58] <genii> on my dual cpu box (not dual core) temp3 is my cpu temp for 2nd processor
[10:59] <dwidmann> I'm not sure what my temp3 is ... but it must be somewhere on the motherboard ... it's at 39
[11:00] <dwidmann> And oh, genii, why in the world would you be rebooting a system to begin with :O
[11:01] <genii> dwidmann Well, for servers never if possible. But for personal boxes sometimes you forgot something after turning it off and need to boot again to check something etc. But having to wait that long for coolant would be a major pain
[11:02] <dwidmann> I suppose so
[11:02] <dwidmann> Then again, I think that's the only way I'll ever get a >10% overclock with this cpu
[11:03] <dethklok> is there a way i can like, record what ever is being streamed to my computer (music) from myspace?
[11:03] <dwidmann> There's always a way to do something. It's just a matter of whether it's complicated or not.
[11:05] <dethklok> dwidmann, do you know how i would go about doing this?
[11:05] <genii> dwidmann If yer interested in liquid cooling here is an informative page for you: http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?t=166529
[11:08] <dwidmann> dethklock, hmm, used to know of a method to record just about anything, can't seem to remember what it was though.
[11:08] <dwidmann> If it comes out of your speakers, it can be recorded
[11:10] <genii> dethklok There is a very good firefox extension that lets you save embedded webpage content to a file  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
[11:10] <dethklok> genii, eh, thats not really the same.. thx though. I might have a solution, audacity
[11:11] <dethklok> !audacity
[11:11] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[11:12] <dwidmann> ouch, I had almost forgotten how expensive the phase change systems were
[11:13] <juano> genii: no luck
[11:13] <juano> genii: before i had grub on hda
[11:13] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: depends what kinda of power you are storing
[11:13] <genii> juano Yes, hda corresponds to bios drive of (hd0)
[11:13] <juano> genii: yes, well i had grub there before
[11:14] <juano> genii: but now its installed on hd1
[11:14] <dwidmann> JohnFlex: also depends how much green your wallet is storing
[11:14] <juano> genii: i should install it on hd0
[11:14] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: :-)   it's just a bunch of capacitors
[11:14] <juano> genii: maybe if i ru nubuntu installed i can install it from there?
[11:14] <genii> juano Yes, it should be on hd0 if that is your boot drive. That is where the master boot record is and so on
[11:14] <juano> genii: maybe if i run ubuntu installer i can install it from there
[11:14] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: just big ones for anything high voltage/current
[11:15] <genii> juano Is there a hd or is it a cdrom on hdb ?
[11:15] <dwidmann> A phase change unit runs for around $900 brand new if I remember right ... forget where and when I saw that price though
[11:15] <dwidmann> (out of budget range)
[11:15] <juano> a cdrom on hdb
[11:15] <juano> genii: i checked with gnome-partitioner, hdc1 is my root partition
[11:15] <genii> juano OK no harm done trying to put grub on hd1 then :)
[11:15] <juano> genii: hda1 is windows partition
[11:16] <juano> genii: i tried it, didnt work, maybe i try root (hd0,0)
[11:16] <genii> juano No, that is where windoze is
[11:16] <juano> genii: ok.. so im out of options
[11:16] <genii> juano To understand hd designations from grub to linux
[11:17] <juano> genii: i dont get it, if my partition is hdc1
[11:17] <juano> genii: then it should be the (hd1,0)
[11:17] <juano> genii: hdc is the second hard drive
[11:17] <juano> genii: that is ok, cause its on the second hard drive
[11:17] <genii> juano hda=hd0 hdb=hd1 hdc=hd2   hda1=hd0,0 hdb1=hd1,0 hdc1=hd2,0
[11:18] <genii> juano Are you back on livecd?
[11:19] <juano> genii: yes im on livecd
[11:19] <genii> juano OK, do you have some command-line going?
[11:20] <juano> genii: hdc1 isnt hd2,0 cause it sais when i tried hd2,0 that the disk didnt exist
[11:20] <juano> genii: yes
[11:21] <genii> juano please do fdisk hdc1 (may need to sudo) then see what partition type it says by choosing "p" to print details
[11:21] <ponpon> salut a tous
[11:21] <juano> genii:  Unable to open hdc1
[11:21] <genii> may need: sudo fdisk /dev/hdc1    if it complains
[11:22] <ponpon> helo all
[11:22] <ners> f
[11:22] <ponpon> how to instinl a firewall on kubuntu please?
[11:23] <stdin> !firewall
[11:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:23] <juano> genii: Disk /dev/hdc1: 80.8 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>4 bytes
[11:23] <juano> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9823 cylinders
[11:23] <juano> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[11:23] <ponpon> ok thank you
[11:23] <juano> genii: thats fine, its my partition with Ubuntu
[11:24] <genii> juano Yes, that shows just the geometry. The fdisk program should also tell what it thinks the operating system is by the partition type.
[11:24] <snowrichard> hello
[11:25] <genii> juano If you still have the fdisk command prompt you can type in "p" now to show details of the partition
[11:26] <genii> If it shows the type as linux or lvm it is good. But if it is something odd like especially acorn type of partition then it means that grub got installed to the / partition by mistake
[11:27] <juano> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2853/
[11:27] <genii> juano OK, be right back
[11:28] <genii> juano Well, this does not look too good, truthfully
[11:29] <juano> genii: i have 2 HDD
[11:29] <juano> genii: on the hda, i got windows
[11:29] <genii> juano There are no other partitions on that drive like hdc2 hdc5 and so on?
[11:30] <juano> genii: yes, theres hdc1, hdc2 and hdc5
[11:30] <juano> genii: hdc2 is the extended partition , hdc1 the boot with everything on it and hdc5 the swap
[11:30] <juano> genii: on my second HDD i have ubuntu on the whole disk
[11:31] <genii> juano The second hard drive you say is the one with ubuntu on the whole disk is NOT the drive hdc ???
[11:31] <juano> genii: yes , the hdc drive is that one
[11:32] <animimotus> hello
[11:32] <juano> genii: the hdc drive is the whole ubuntu drive
[11:32] <stephan> thanks
[11:32] <stephan> bye
[11:32] <genii> juano OK, just needed clarification :)
[11:33] <juano> genii: you said that hdc refers to hd2, but i tried hd2 and it tells me that that disk "hd2" doesnt exist
[11:33] <juano> genii: so it cant be hd2
[11:33] <genii> juano You should be able to re-put grub using as root then (hd2,0) and to install grub to (hd0)
[11:33] <animimotus> instead of specify the editor in a command line like : sudo gedit file.txt or sudo kate file.txt, doest exist by default a enrionnemnt variable ?
[11:34] <juano> genii: how about the command grub-install /dev/hda ?
[11:34] <juano> genii: what will that do? install my current configuration to hda?
[11:35] <genii> juano grub does not use names like hda or hdb or hdc  it needs names like (hd0,0) or (hd2,0) and so on
[11:35] <dwidmann> the grub-install command, fortunately, will take either
[11:36] <dwidmann> and all it does, juano, is install grub to that drive ...
[11:38] <genii> juano If it takes hda as an argument, yes, use that eg:  sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[11:39] <juano> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[11:39] <codyt> dethklok dethklok
[11:40] <dethklok> codyt codyt codyt codyt
[11:40] <codyt> william murderface murderface murderface
[11:40] <dethklok> woot!
[11:40] <HymnToLife> !fortune-mod
[11:40] <ubotu> fortune-mod: provides fortune cookies on demand. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.99.1-3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 144 kB
[11:40] <genii> juano OK, do you have another machine you can connect to internet with as you work on the grub machine separately? This would be easier since it looks like a chroot to the old / is needed
[11:41] <HymnToLife> I usually use this when I'm bored :p
[11:41] <dethklok> does codyt want a banana sticker?
[11:41] <dethklok> lol
[11:41] <juano> genii: yes, i need to install mirc on it
[11:41] <juano> genii: just a sec
[11:41] <dethklok> !WoW
[11:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:42] <kubuntian> hellp
[11:42] <HymnToLife> genii, no chroot is needed to reinstall grub
[11:42] <HymnToLife> just use a Live CD
[11:42] <kubuntian> does somebody knows how to compose the http-get query in order to initialize gmail fields of compose message?
[11:42] <dethklok> !burning crusade
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about burning crusade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <kubuntian> !gmail
[11:43] <ubotu> gmail is a webmail service. For information on using it with Evolution see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingGmailWithEvolution
[11:43] <genii> juano You can exit the fdisk prompt back to regular command-line by "q" if you still have it open
[11:43] <juano> genii: yep already did
[11:43] <genii> juano OK good :)
[11:45] <kubuntian1> does somebody knows how to compose the http-get query in order to initialize gmail fields of compose message?
[11:45] <juano_> genii
[11:45] <juano_> genii im on other machine now
[11:45] <juano_> genii now what should i do for grub?
[11:45] <genii> juano OK. so do you have hdc1 mounted someplace?
[11:45] <juano_> genii yes on the other comp via live cd
[11:46] <juano_> genii i mounted it at /mnt/hdc1
[11:46] <dethklok> how can i make it so caps lock stays on?
[11:46] <genii> juano OK, good. So now: sudo chroot /mnt/hdc1
[11:46] <juano_> genii ok sec
[11:46] <juano_> genii ok ! im in
[11:47] <juano_> genii im in as root
[11:47] <dethklok> kubuntian, are you looking for a gmail invite?
[11:47] <genii> juano good :) Now do the grub command eg: grub-install /dev/hda
[11:47] <juano_> genii ok sec
[11:47] <dwidmann> kubuntian, I could have sworn I saw some interesting stuff related to http headers and the like here: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/http_web_services/debugging.html
[11:48] <dwidmann> or somewhere near there, at any rate
[11:48] <juano_> genii not found or not a block device
[11:48] <dwidmann> ls -l /dev/hda?
[11:49] <juano_> dwidmann no such file or directory
[11:49] <juano_> dwidmann ??? wt...
[11:49] <genii> juano OK, the chroot /dev probably does not have it. So use the other syntax
[11:49] <dwidmann> guess grub-install wasn't lying afterall
[11:50] <genii> juano eg: grub-install (hd0)
[11:50] <dwidmann> I usually reinstall grub from a livecd, goes smooth then
[11:50] <juano_> genii ok
[11:51] <genii> juano Give me a minute and Ill make an appropriate commandline
[11:51] <genii> need to look up some switches etc
[11:51] <juano_> genii oik
[11:55] <akasico1>    	 	 	 	 	 	 		 	   Como puedo configurar la tecla de windows para que actúe como en el windows.
[11:55] <akasico1> :)
[11:57] <genii> juano Looking into it, seems that just simplest way first should beOK:      grub-install hd0
[11:58] <genii> Did you use the --root-directory=     on it before??
[11:58] <juano_> genii ok, let me check
[11:59] <genii> juano Because if you put previously --root-directory=    the place you put for that may be corrupted
[11:59] <juano_> genii /dev/hdc1: not found or not a block device
[11:59] <juano_> genii yes on the root directory
[12:00] <juano_> genii no no
[12:00] <genii> juano no, not hdc1     use exactly:     grub-install hd0          <--exactly like that
[12:00] <juano_> genii i di that already it returns THIS
[12:00] <juano_> genii /dev/hdc1: not found or not a block device
[12:00] <karmikaze> hey does anyone know if the photoviewer 'xv' is available on apt?
[12:00] <karmikaze> i dont see the package but maybe its combined with something else?
[12:01] <Jucato> !xv
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <Jucato> bah... hm..
[12:01] <karmikaze> yeah :P
[12:01] <genii> juano OK gimme aminute to think then
[12:01] <karmikaze> its my favourite just cos its really light weight, and simple
[12:01] <genii> Jucato still no joy on grub LOL
[12:01] <Jucato> genii: what seems to *really* be the problem?
[12:02] <karmikaze> maybe its xview?
[12:02] <Jucato> karmikaze: no xview here either... I do recall seeing something like that before.. let me check
[12:02] <karmikaze> ty
[12:04] <genii> juano OK, we will try to make it put a /dev entry then. do:  sudo /etc/init.d/udev start
[12:05] <juano_> genii ok
[12:06] <genii> Jucato He is chroot currently to hdc1 under /mnt/hdc1 from livecd. So grub-install groans of no dev entry for hdc and so on
[12:06] <dwidmann> if you do it straight from the livecd though (not in chroot), what does grub-install say then?
[12:06] <kkosmo> somone know how i can record audio from radio
[12:06] <kkosmo> or
[12:06] <kkosmo> or
[12:06] <kkosmo> somthing like that
[12:07] <kkosmo> ?
[12:07] <Jucato> karmikaze: sorry I couldn't remember what the package name was..
[12:07] <karmikaze> its ok, im looking for a .deb now. i see their source if i really want
[12:07] <karmikaze> man their website is fuuuuuuugly
[12:07] <karmikaze> lol
[12:07] <genii> dwidmann It gave some other similar weird error
[12:07] <karmikaze> so 1993...
[12:08] <Kyoden> hello
[12:08] <karmikaze> hi
[12:08] <juano_> dwidmann one sec
[12:09] <juano_> dwidmann it sais : could not find device for /boot, not found or not a block device
[12:09] <genii> juano_ Did the udev command complete OK?
[12:09] <juano_> dwidmann thats if i do grub-install /dev/hda
[12:09] <Jucato> karmikaze: why do you need xv, btw?
[12:10] <karmikaze> i just want a simple image viewer
[12:10] <karmikaze> that i can launch from commandline
[12:10] <Jucato> karmikaze: there's also something called xzgv, which is a command line image viewer
[12:10] <karmikaze> ok cool i'll try that one
[12:10] <Jucato> !xzgv
[12:10] <ubotu> xzgv: Picture viewer for X with a thumbnail-based selector. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-5.1 (edgy), package size 189 kB, installed size 548 kB
[12:10] <genii> Bleh I just remembered need to put from livecd the stupid switch then as --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1/boot
[12:10] <karmikaze> cool
[12:11] <juano_> genii yes, but nothing happens
[12:11] <juano_> genii whats that?
[12:11] <genii> juano_ OK, now does:   ls /dev/hdc?    produce a result?
[12:12] <juano_> genii under chroot no , it sais no such file or directory, from livecd terminal its there inside /dev yes
[12:13] <juano_> genii whats this --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1/boot ?
[12:13] <sleepy745> !svn
[12:13] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[12:13] <genii> juano_ OK it seems the chroot cannot properly run the udev then since inside another instance. So exit the chroot and go back to regular livecd command-line by typeing "exit"
[12:13] <juano_> genii ok i did that
[12:14] <genii> juano_ The next thing to try is from livecd:      sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1/boot /dev/hda
[12:14] <juano_> genii ok let me check
[12:15] <flaccid> Jucato:
[12:15] <flaccid> calling Jucato
[12:15] <Jucato> flaccid: yes?
[12:15] <flaccid> g'day mate
[12:15] <Jucato> good day to you too
[12:15] <flaccid> just wondering if i could bother you for those style settings of edgy
[12:16] <flaccid> for my freebsd desktop:
[12:16] <flaccid> i can't get it to look right
[12:16] <juano_> genii it sais : cannot create a directory /dev/hdc1/boot/boot Not a directory
[12:17] <Jucato> flaccid: what specifics do you need?
[12:17] <juano_> genii should it be --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1 ?
[12:17] <genii> juano_ not /DEV/hdc1           /mnt/hdc1
[12:17] <matt0507> hi, im trying to copy a folder to /usr/ as root, how do i do that? kept gettign permission denied >,<
[12:17] <flaccid> window decoration and colour
[12:17] <flaccid> basically confirm all of the appearance settings if possible for kcontrol
[12:17] <flaccid> maybe qt is my problem
[12:18] <flaccid> like which widget style?
[12:18] <Jucato> flaccid: windeco is Crystal using Kubuntu buttons, but those buttons are not available upstream, afaik
[12:18] <juano_> genii ahh, it installed now
[12:18] <Jucato> flaccid: widget style is Plastik. color, is a customized Kubuntu purple color
[12:18] <juano_> genii it sais that it installed successfully , no errors reported and throwed me 3 lines
[12:18] <dwidmann> I thought the widget style was lipstik, maybe it was and isn't now ... I can't remember
[12:18] <flaccid> Jucato: ok 1 sec jucy
[12:18] <genii> juano_ OK, so since we fixed the grub menu.lst previously hopefullynow should boot OK
[12:19] <juano_> genii should i try a reboot now?
[12:19] <genii> juano_ Yes please :)
[12:19] <juano_> genii ok, be right back
[12:19] <flaccid> jucy just going to install latest crystal and go from there :)
[12:20] <flaccid> i'll get back to ya in 5
[12:20] <Jucato> flaccid: ok. I have to go
[12:20] <flaccid> npz thanks mate
[12:20] <flaccid> you aint got that hex for the title bar ?
[12:20] <flaccid> the purple
[12:20] <flaccid> hehe
[12:20] <Jucato> flaccid: um nope
[12:20] <Jucato> hm..
[12:20] <Jucato> flaccid: hold on a sec
[12:21] <posingaspopular> genii: good call, im  about to get one myself
[12:21] <juano_> genii ok , i got into grub menu, i can boot into windows ok from grub :P thats a good sign, but when i try to boot into ubuntu it tells me cant mount partition
[12:21] <genii> posingaspopular LOL
[12:21] <dwidmann> #6569AE
[12:22] <genii> juano_ Yes, I anticipated this. I know what the issue is now.
[12:22] <juano_> genii whats wrong now with the ubuntu partition?
[12:22] <dwidmann> flaccid: #6569AE
[12:22] <flaccid> cheers dwidmann :)
[12:22] <genii> juano_ Short explanation: running grub previously on (hd2,0) messed it up
[12:22] <flaccid> heh i have to download crystal
[12:23] <genii> juano_ But i know how to fix it
[12:23] <juano_> genii ok
[12:23] <juano_> genii how can we fix this
[12:23] <Jucato> flaccid: http://jucato.org/stuff/kubuntu-colors.kcsrc or http://jucato.org/stuff/kubuntuColours.kcsrc
[12:23] <genii> juano_ So back to livecd. Then we repair the partition type
[12:24] <juano_> genii ok sec
[12:24] <Jucato> flaccid: you know how to import/add KDE color schemes right?
[12:24] <flaccid> not really
[12:25] <flaccid> hehe
[12:25] <Jucato> !changethemes | flaccid
[12:25] <ubotu> flaccid: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[12:25] <flaccid> should it be there crystal clear theme?
[12:25] <flaccid> hehe this is for the freebsd :)
[12:25] <Jucato> flaccid: what crystal clear theme? that's an icon theme
[12:25] <flaccid> hmm
[12:25] <genii> juano_ We will need to discover if you used LVM when you installed. The extended partition... did you have this mounted before when it booted to ubuntu on that drive?
[12:25] <flaccid> hmm
[12:25] <flaccid> well kde install ddidn't come with crystal window deco
[12:26] <genii> eg: mounted as /home or something like that
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: crystal window decoration
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: of course not
[12:26] <juano_> genii mmm no , i think not
[12:26] <juano_> genii i only mounted hdc1
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: Crystal is not the standard KDE window decoration, nor does KDE officially ship with it
[12:26] <juano_> genii hdc2 is the extended partition
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/colors.html to add color schemes so you can use Kubuntu Edgy's color scheme
[12:26] <Jucato> anyway, gotta run
[12:26] <matt0507> hi, i need to move a folder to /usr/ but it requires root access, how do i enable/log in as root in order to do so?
[12:26] <flaccid> i got the wrong one but sweet
[12:27] <flaccid> thansk mate
[12:27] <genii> juano_ OK. We will try to find a hint of the install type of either lvm or not by looking at that partition first.
[12:27] <juano_> genii can this be fixed?
[12:27] <genii> juano Let me know when you are ready to continue, I will have a cigarette and some coffee
[12:27] <juano_> genii im ready
[12:27] <genii> juano_ Yes, it can be fixed :)
[12:28] <juano_> genii it booted already
[12:28] <genii> juano_ OK. So to command-line and then to run fdisk for the extended partion of hdc. I think it was hdc5  but not certain
[12:29] <juano_> genii hdc2 actually
[12:29] <genii> juano_ Ok, so then:   sudo fdisk /dev/hdc2
[12:29] <genii> juano_ Then "p" command to fdisk to see what the partition type is
[12:30] <genii> should be either: lvm   or linux
[12:30] <juano_> genii unable to read /dev/hdc2
[12:31] <genii> juano_ Did you use sudo and full path: eg, exactly as above:           sudo fdisk /dev/hdc2
[12:31] <juano_> genii let me re-check
[12:31] <juano_> genii yes, same return
[12:32] <genii> juano_ OK, then we shall try the main drive then. Put:   sudo fdisk /dev/hdc
[12:32] <juano_> genii i did ls -l /dev/hdc2 and it shows, its there yes
[12:33] <juano_> genii oh yes that worked, i did print
[12:33] <genii> It may be that hdc2 was left empty and not given a type or formatted and so on.
[12:33] <juano_> genii it sais in /dev/hdc2 filesystem WIN95 LBA
[12:33] <genii> juano_ OK, for hdc1 what does it say?
[12:34] <juano_> it sais Linux
[12:34] <juano_> genii and for hdc5 it sais Linux swap
[12:34] <juano_> thats in print in the column system
[12:35] <guglielf> well, more firefox related than kubuntu... however i just ask: does anyone know how to put bookmarks and history buttons on the firefox toolbar? tnx :)
[12:35] <juano_> genii is this bad?
[12:35] <genii> juano_ OK good. The hdc1 type looks proper tho, so may be a different problem than I thought at first. Give me a moment to think
[12:36] <genii> juano_ Please pastebin the contents of the files:  /mnt/hdc1/boot/grub/menu.lst and /mnt/hdc1/etc/fstab
[12:37] <juano_> genii ok jusrt a sec
[12:39] <juano_> genii no /grub dir in /mnt/hdc1/boot
[12:40] <dwidmann> ooh, this isn't half bad: http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=52057&id=1
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: right click on the toolbar then click on customize,  just drag and drop the bookmark and history icon to the toolbar
[12:41] <genii> juano_ Please pastebin results of the command:   ls -ld /mnt/hdc1/boot/*
[12:42] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: mmm did not find it, re-checking now. Tnx anyway :)
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: its a standard feature in firefox
[12:44] <genii> guglielf Make sure you are on the top of the window on far right open space of bar to right-click
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: ie dont click on an icon, pick a blank spot at the bottom or top
[12:45] <genii> yes, exactly so
[12:46] <juano> genii:
[12:46] <genii> juano_ I need to go make coffee for my roommate who is waking in 5 minutes. I will be back in a minute
[12:46] <juano> genii: sorry just a sec
[12:46] <juano> genii:  ok
[12:46] <guglielf> genii, Linux_Galore: right, i knew that. apparently they disappeared from the toolbar customisation dialog O.O
[12:46] <guglielf> tnx both of you
[12:47] <dethklok> mmkay, im out
[12:47] <dethklok> tt u all later
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: yeah. theres a tricdk for putting them back, I did tha same thing once
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: click on "restore default set"
[12:48] <guglielf> uhm, maybe ;)
[12:49] <genii> juano I am back :) Was there any contents in the directory /mnt/hdc1/boot        ?
[12:50] <juano> genii:
[12:50] <juano> genii:  sorry im so stupid i was searching in boot from live cd
[12:50] <juano> genii: heres my menu.lst http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2855/
[12:50] <genii> LOL OK back in a moment then
[12:50] <juano> genii:  lol
[12:51] <juano_> its mounted at hd1,1
[12:51] <juano_> now
[12:51] <JanusDC> Hello
[12:51] <juano_> genii should it be hd1,0 ? since its hdc1 not hdc2
[12:51] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: default set restored: didn't work, no bkmks and history icons there
[12:52] <JanusDC> Any body know how can I edit a .deb package? (I need edit the control archive)
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: always google  or ask in the #mozilla #firefox channels
[12:52] <genii> juano_ No, the grub-install should have properly decided what (hd#,#) but it looks very odd. Can you pastebin please now:  /mnt/hdc1/etc/fstab
[12:53] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: k, thank you mate :)
[12:53] <genii> juano
[12:53] <genii> bleh
[12:53] <genii> juano_ We will first see if the / is being mounted right there properly in fstab before changing the grub file
[12:53] <juano> genii:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2856/
[12:54] <JanusDC> Please help me. How can I edit a package?
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: you do realise ctrl h  and ctrl b  does the same job
[12:54] <Aurvandill> Can someone help me with envy? I just get a black screen after the menu...
[12:55] <genii> juano_ Yes, your fstab is corrupted. I will write you a new one and pastebin it for you to copy over
[12:55] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, "edit a package" ?
[12:55] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: yep :)
[12:55] <juano> genii: really? at what line genii?
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: why you would need an icons beats me, thats just slow
[12:56] <JanusDC> HymnToLife, Yes, I need to open a .deb package and edit the Control file (the file that have the dependencies of the package)
[12:56] <genii> juano All those parts which say stuff like UUID are some weird garbage that is not supposed to be there
[12:56] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: cause i love clicking everywhere, uh lol
[12:56] <genii> I've seen this one time before
[12:56] <juano> genii:  are you sure???
[12:56] <genii> juano Yes, I'm very sure
[12:56] <juano> genii:  ok :-)
[12:57] <matt0507> hi, how do i move a folder to /usr/ as root?
[12:57] <dwidmann> !sudo
[12:57] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> matt0507:   sudo  mv  folder  /usr
[12:58] <matt0507> ty :)
[12:58] <juano> genii: when everything was working before i had those UUID entries, thats why im asking
[01:00] <JanusDC> HymnToLife, my problem is this: I downloaded a debian package that depends of some library. That library have other name in Ubuntu. I could install the package with --force, but apt tell me that I have a package that need dependences each time that I use apt.
[01:00] <dhq> my mplayer doesnt work when i run mlplayer all i can see is a blue screen
[01:01] <genii> juano http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2857/     Replace the contents of current file /mnt/hdc1/etc/fstab with this
[01:01] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, if I were you, I'd install my thing otherwise
[01:01] <HymnToLife> what app is it ?
[01:01] <JanusDC> prozgui
[01:02] <juano> genii: should i do cp fstab fstab.bak just in case?
[01:02] <genii> juano Sure, this is a good idea
[01:03] <juano> genii: ok done
[01:04] <JanusDC> HymnToLife, All that I need is to edit the package's dependences. Who is the genius that change the name of a library?? :\
[01:04] <juano> genii: reboot ?? lol
[01:04] <genii> juano The file is changed?
[01:04] <genii> if so, then yes try a reboot
[01:04] <juano> genii: yes, i replaces fstab contents for your fstab contents
[01:04] <juano> genii: wish me luck
[01:04] <juano> genii: lol
[01:04] <genii> juano break a leg :)
[01:05] <juano> genii: brb!
[01:05] <codyt> I'm trying to set up a basic network with two computers, allowing the other computer to connect to the internet thru this computer, but I'm on dial up and I don't know what the default gateway for device ppp0 should be
[01:05] <genii> On the client?
[01:05] <codyt> on this box.
[01:06] <codyt> The default gateway IP for the connecting box, rather.
[01:06] <juano_> genii
[01:07] <juano_> genii error 17 cannot mount selected partition
[01:07] <juano_> genii mm... should i try changing hd1,1 for hd1,0 in menu.lst?
[01:07] <genii> juano_ OK, so back to livecd where we alter the grub file one more time
[01:07] <genii> juano_ Yes, excatly so
[01:07] <genii> exactly, even
[01:08] <juano_> genii ok, i hope that works... i had lots of stuff in that partition
[01:08] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Ok, thanks. I'll continue with my friend: Google :P Bye
[01:09] <JanusDC> \quit
[01:10] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, was about to tell you how to fix this but I gues I'll let you /quit and use your friend Google...
[01:10] <genii> codyt Does the box which is connecting by modem have another IP which is on the eth0 interface?
[01:10] <juano_> genii i think its pretty logical, cause if hdc1 is the first partition it should be 0 not 1
[01:10] <codyt> genii, yes.
[01:10] <genii> codyt You could try to put that as the gateway on the client machine
[01:11] <codyt> no no, I don't know what to put as the gateway on *this* machine.
[01:11] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Hehe, I can wait :D
[01:11] <codyt> It keeps refusing to save my settings, because <IP_ADDRESS> is an invalid IP for the default gateway.
[01:12] <matt0507> yay guys finally copied my new KDM theme over to /usr/ thanks Linux_Galore and sudo!
[01:12] <genii> codyt Obviously it already knows what to use as the default gateway since it is connecting successfully to the internet
[01:12] <codyt> This computer just connects through the modem.
[01:12] <juano_> genii ok im ready
[01:13] <codyt> But it's still requiring me to put in a default gateway.
[01:13] <codyt> Won't save with <IP_ADDRESS> as the default gateway.
[01:13] <juano_> genii im in menu.lst, should i try changing root (hd1,1) for root (hd1,0) ??
[01:13] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Google don't love me any more.
[01:13] <genii> codyt When I say "client machine" I mean the machine you have connected by ethernet card to the machine which is using the modem to reach the internet
[01:13] <codyt> I know exactly what you mean.
[01:13] <codyt> You're not understanding me, I guess.
[01:14] <genii> juano_ Yes
[01:14] <juano_> genii ok
[01:14] <juano_> genii then reboot?
[01:14] <genii> juano_ Yes, and then we will know
[01:14] <juano_> genii ok
[01:15] <genii> codyt By default gateway then you mean the default gateway for the interface eth0 on the machine with the modem?
[01:15] <codyt> on the machine with the modem.  The KDE configure thing requires me to put one in.
[01:15] <codyt> or else it refuses to save the configuration.
[01:16] <juano_> genii YEEEESSSSSSSS!
[01:16] <juano_> genii it worked... i cant believe it
[01:17] <genii> codyt You should not need to alter any ppp0 settings. This should be getting autoassigned by your isp and so on. Since the ip and gateway and so on will change every time you dial in for instance there will be no set gateway and so on
[01:17] <genii> juano_ :)
[01:17] <juano_> genii im back in the kubuntu box!! man thanks for your help!
[01:17] <codyt> then this configuration tool is retarded.
[01:17] <juano_> genii thanks very much!
[01:17] <codyt> I can't *not* set it.
[01:17] <genii> juano_ Well it took a while but you are welcome
[01:18] <juano_> genii lol, yeah.. thanks a lot
[01:18] <codyt> Would it have any adverse effects to set it as <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:18] <genii> codyt Yes, you will be in a loopback hyell
[01:18] <genii> hell even
[01:18] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: I tried with mc that allow me to read into the package .deb, but it don't allow me to modify anything.
[01:18] <codyt> Ah.
[01:19] <codyt> Figured as much.
[01:19] <codyt> I sorta am atm anyways.
[01:19] <juano> genii: your a master
[01:19] <codyt> Every time I start up, I have to take down the eth0 device, or else no data will be sent/rec from the modem.
[01:19] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, you need to extract it all, modify what you want and rebuild the package
[01:19] <genii> juano I had to deal with this grub stuff before so luckily I knew we could bring it back
[01:20] <genii> Jucato Praise from the master LOL
[01:20] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Yes, I know... but How?
[01:20] <juano> genii: yes.. phew.. i thought it wouldnt work
[01:20] <juano> lol
[01:20] <matt0507> Linux_Galore: are you there? i got a question about using sudo
[01:20] <juano> that was the last hope...
[01:21] <genii> codyt There is a setting in the text file for ppp which can be done which will let you not have to do the eth0 stop/start stuff. eth0 pre-empting the gateway is pretty common prob
[01:21] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, dpkg -b ftw
[01:22] <genii> codyt If you give me a minute I'll look it up
[01:22] <codyt> if I bring eth0, then reconnect to the internet, it won't send or recieve packages (it will connect, though).
[01:22] <codyt> Sounds like the same problem?
[01:22] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: thank! I'm trying
[01:24] <genii> codyt Yes, this is the exact issue I mean. The eth0 gateway does not get changed to the ppp0 gateway when dialling in and so on.
[01:24] <codyt> okay.
[01:24] <genii> I think it's something like "remoteauth=no" or somesuch but looking it up just now
[01:26] <xtoxico> !dri
[01:26] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[01:26] <xtoxico> !ati
[01:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:28] <codyt> Really, I'm not sure if the network even works when eth0 is up.
[01:28] <codyt> Don't have everything set up properly..
[01:28] <genii> bah hard to find that exact info atm but I had to do this before because eth0 comes up before ppp0 and hogs the default gateway
[01:28] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! It works!!!
[01:28] <xtoxico> vmware!
[01:28] <xtoxico> !vmware
[01:28] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[01:29] <Jucato> !botabuse | xtoxico
[01:29] <ubotu> xtoxico: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:32] <xtoxico> sorry
[01:32] <eeos> hi everybody!
[01:32] <genii> codyt Check the file /etc/wvdial.conf for a line reading:  replacedefaultroute
[01:32] <genii> !botsnack
[01:32] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:33] <codyt> nope.
[01:33] <codyt> not there.
[01:33] <genii> codyt OK, put it in then
[01:33] <codyt> Not much in it, really.
[01:33] <codyt> No phone # or anything in it.
[01:33] <genii> really??
[01:33] <codyt> Yeah.
[01:33] <codyt> I think KPPP stores that.
[01:34] <genii> I'm pretty sure it still has wvdial as backend tho
[01:34] <codyt> Should that be replacedefaultroute = yes, or anything?
[01:34] <matt0507> what will be deleted if i typ this sudo command? sudo rm -rf?
[01:35] <genii> codyt First see if a local wvdial exists, in ~ someplace
[01:35] <Jucato> matt0507: just plain "sudo rm -rf"? nothing. unless you put something after that... and depends on where you type it
[01:35] <genii> codyt If yu need to insert the line it's just replacedefaultroute    with no options
[01:35] <Jucato> matt0507: NEVER do "sudo rm -rf /" as in NEVER!
[01:36] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: bye, and thanks again. See you
[01:36] <matt0507> Jucato: so if i type sudo rm -rf folder1/folder2/folder3 all 3 folders will be deleted with no confirmations?
[01:37] <Jucato> matt0507: no
[01:37] <genii> codyt So what effectively happens is eth0 is defaultroute then when modem connects it switches automagically
[01:37] <Jucato> matt0507: it will try to remove folder3, which is in folder2, which is in folder1
[01:37] <Jucato> matt0507: only folder3 will be removed (afaik)
[01:38] <matt0507> Jucato:  ok cool, instead of -f i just put -i, that'll ask before each file is deleted,
[01:38] <Jucato> matt0507: yes. every file, and every file in every folder in folder3
[01:39] <posingaspopular> help: firefox won't open right
[01:39] <posingaspopular> it says to close the process before starting again
[01:40] <matt0507> Jucato: cool, i'll just make sure to not delete / folder :p
[01:40] <praetor> pkill firefox?
[01:40] <Jucato> matt0507: why do you need sudo for it?
[01:40] <genii> codyt Do you have a file /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial  ?
[01:41] <posingaspopular> praetor: didn't do anything
[01:41] <codyt> I'l check
[01:41] <matt0507> Jucato: i was trying to copy kdm theme to /usr folder so i had to learn alll the sudo cp/mv command >,< can not do in konqueror because it require root
[01:42] <Jucato> matt0507: "kdesu konqueror"
[01:42] <Jucato> !changethemes | matt0507
[01:42] <ubotu> matt0507: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[01:42] <Jucato> matt0507: go to the section about KDM Themes there
[01:42] <Jucato> *KDM Themes* not KDE Themes. ok? :)
[01:42] <codyt> genii, yes.
[01:43] <genii> codyt In there does it have the actual connect info like phone
[01:43] <codyt> nope.
[01:44] <matt0507> Jucato: sure thanks, is kdesu konqueror just giving a temp root access will reset back to normal privilage at next log on?
[01:44] <codyt> "noath" line2: "name wvdial" line3: "usepeerdns"
[01:44] <codyt> and that's all.
[01:44] <Jucato> matt0507: it's temporary, like launching/running an app as root. once you close the app, you won't have root access anymore
[01:45] <matt0507> Jucato: ok thanks, that make things easier for me to extract new themes to the correct folder. been messing with sudo all night >,<
[01:45] <genii> codyt OK, add the "replacedefaultroute" into there instead of the /etc/wvdial file. I'm pretty sure it's the global which will override user-specific stuff where phone # and so on is
[01:46] <codyt> okay.
[01:46] <Jucato> matt0507: want to make it extra-extra easier? install "kdmtheme"
[01:46] <Jucato> matt0507: and follow the guide above
[01:46] <uwer> uwe,
[01:47] <Lord_Flasheart> guys, i have been having issues with getting fakeraid working on edgy, and so am trying feisty herd 2
[01:47] <matt0507> Jucato: thanks again, will give it a try :)
[01:47] <Lord_Flasheart> does anyone know what kernel version is in feisty herd 2?
[01:47] <uwer> uwe, sorry, bye bye
[01:48] <genii> codyt So the idea is then: See if you can boot with eth0 default gateway and so on then dial in and see if it connects with the gateway auto-swapping to the ppp. Without juggling disabling eth0 and so forth
[01:48] <Lord_Flasheart> also, is it possible to upgrade continuously from herd2 through to the final release through apt?
[01:48] <Chasta> hello
[01:48] <exar> hello
[01:48] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: 2.6.20
[01:48] <codyt> 'kay.
[01:48] <Chasta> something terrible happned
[01:48] <Chasta> I installed windows
[01:48] <Chasta> and grub wanished..
[01:48] <Chasta> how can I reinstall it
[01:48] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: and yes, you can upgrade continuously from herd2 to final
[01:48] <HymnToLife> !grub | Chasta
[01:48] <ubotu> Chasta: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:49] <Jucato> bah, beat me to it
[01:49] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: that's awesome dude, thanks for the info, you are a legend!
[01:49] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: just take note that feisty is still not in a stable state
[01:49] <snowrichard> http://schizophrenicprogrammer.info
[01:49] <Jucato> me? a legend? am I *that* old?!?
[01:49] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: i know, i am living life on the edge
[01:49] <genii> codyt Then after you statically assign eth0 same range both boxes and use modem box eth0 ip for gateway of machine without modem
[01:49] <snowrichard> does this page work for you? thanks in advance
[01:49] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: well, more edgy than edgy eft anyway
[01:50] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: if such a thing is possible
[01:50] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: hehe ok. good luck. and drop by #ubuntu+1 for your feisty problems :)
[01:50] <Jucato> of course it is possible... edgier than edgy = feisty herd2 :)
[01:50] <codyt> still worked after just reconnecting.
[01:50] <codyt> I'll try rebooting later.
[01:50] <codyt> Too much open.
[01:51] <genii> codyt OK, so successfully switched gateway?
[01:51] <fantoni> hello
[01:51] <codyt> Seems so.
[01:51] <fantoni> How can I add a directory in group of users?
[01:52] <codyt> is there a way to ping the router?
[01:52] <Gimmy> who have kubuntu with beryl and help me?
[01:52] <genii> codyt You mean ping the internet ip of modem computer from satellite computer?
[01:53] <codyt> I mean ping the router between this computer and the one sitting next to me.
[01:53] <flaccid> http://dnsstuff.com ?
[01:53] <flaccid> ping ip
[01:53] <Tm_T> !beryl | Gimmy
[01:53] <ubotu> Gimmy: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:53] <codyt> like, would the router have a default IP?
[01:53] <flaccid> codyt: usually. consult your router manual.
[01:54] <genii> codyt If it works in the usual manner, the router ip would be something like <IP_ADDRESS> or similar
[01:54] <flaccid> or if you connect to it already perhaps get the ip from arp -a
[01:54] <codyt> Router was given to me, no manual.
[01:54] <flaccid> codyt: vendor website
[01:54] <genii> codyt When you do "ifconfig" what IP does it say for eth0 ?
[01:55] <codyt> inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:55] <exar> hello all its m first install of ubuntu :) and i m verry hapy sorry for m inglish i m french but its verry great ful ubuntu
[01:55] <Aurvandill> Do KDE have a something similar to Windows' ctrl+alt+del when stuff crash? (like Beryl :P )
[01:55] <Jucato> Aurvandill: Ctrl+Esc by default
[01:56] <Jucato> not sure if Beryl affects that
[01:56] <Chasta> what means: to preserve
[01:56] <flaccid> codyt: most likely <IP_ADDRESS> . see arp -a
[01:56] <Jucato> so you might have to ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:56] <genii> codyt OK, it will be easier if you just hook the 2 systems straight to each other with a crossover cable instead of going thru the router. It will want to be the default gateway all the time
[01:56] <Aurvandill> Jucato, okay, thanks
[01:56] <flaccid> genii: thats a negative
[01:56] <codyt> not sure if I have a crossover cable
[01:56] <codyt> Doubt I have access to buy one.
[01:56] <flaccid> ignore one
[01:56] <flaccid> ignore that
[01:56] <flaccid> you don't need a crossover
[01:56] <flaccid> its the same as plugging in
[01:57] <Aurvandill> Jucato, I'm not using XGL though
[01:57] <codyt> Windows doesn't recognize a connection at all when I directly linked the two computers.
[01:57] <Jucato> !beryl | Aurvandill
[01:57] <ubotu> Aurvandill: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:57] <Jucato> Aurvandill: #ubuntu-xgl is the home of it all
[01:57] <codyt> But, it does recognize that there is a connection when I connected it to the router.
[01:57] <genii> flaccid Usually most routers will put their own IP as default gateway when they assign IP. So he will need to make routes and so forth then
[01:58] <flaccid> no he won't
[01:58] <Aurvandill> Jucato, Ah, okay.
[01:58] <flaccid> dhcp assigns gateway
[01:58] <flaccid> you don't need to make any routes
[01:58] <flaccid> codyt: is the router providing dhcp
[01:58] <codyt> the IP address you said it would most likely be worked.
[01:59] <codyt> flaccid, I think sol
[01:59] <xtoxico> !wish
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <flaccid> codyt: netgear?
[01:59] <genii> codyt Can you ping the ip of the modem box now from the satellite box?
[02:00] <flaccid> genii: what if the router has icmp echo turned off?
[02:00] <codyt> Doubt it.
[02:00] <genii> flaccid I imagine ping times out in that scenario
[02:00] <flaccid> codyt: did you try arp -a
[02:00] <flaccid> usually unless its filtered
[02:01] <codyt> "destination host unreachable"
[02:01] <Gimmy> my keymap is english for default
[02:01] <codyt> flaccid, apr -a failed.
[02:01] <flaccid> what was the error?
[02:01] <Gimmy> setxkbmap -layout it
[02:01] <genii> codyt You may be able to access the configuration page of the router by using your web browser and point it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:01] <Gimmy> i use this command for change it in italian
[02:01] <codyt> hrm.
[02:01] <codyt> actually, it didn't fail this time.
[02:02] <flaccid> kubuntu comes with arp? sorry i'm on freebsd atm
[02:02] <Gimmy> but i must type the command everytime
[02:02] <Gimmy> how i can change forever the keymap?
[02:02] <codyt> oh\
[02:02] <codyt> it's prompting for a password... that I don't have..
[02:03] <codyt> flaccid, I ran the arp command again, and it works.
[02:03] <codyt> ? (<IP_ADDRESS>) at 00:04:E2:49:E0:FE [ether]  on eth0
[02:03] <genii> codyt try usual default of no username and password of admin    or user admin  no password of combos of these
[02:03] <HymnToLife> codyt, that usually means you shouldn't do what you are trying to do :p
[02:03] <codyt> HymnToLife, not in this case.   No username
[02:10] <genii> (this from dslreports.com)
[02:10] <flaccid> yeah jrun goes on iis
[02:11] <genii> iis=crapola supreme they need to run apache
[02:11] <snowrichard> I heart my apache :)
[02:11] <snowrichard> should get a bumper sticker Lol
[02:12] <codyt> isn't a username input field, and thank you.
[02:13] <genii> codyt The useful feature in there if it has it would be to assign always the same IP to certain mac addreeses so less mucking with individual machine's network files and so on
[02:14] <flaccid> "static dhcp"
[02:14] <genii> they just always are dhcp but receive effectively static IPs and so on
[02:14] <codyt> meh.
[02:15] <genii> flaccid Yes, exactly
[02:15] <codyt> Now the lights are blinking.. and it's not letting me do anyting.
[02:15] <codyt> oh
[02:15] <flaccid> sounds like fun
[02:15] <codyt> I guess it just took forever.
[02:15] <snowrichard> sit back and watch das blinkenlights
[02:16] <genii> LOL vas is das? Der blinkenlumens!
[02:16] <snowrichard> der komputer is not for mittengrabben
[02:16] <codyt> wrong password, still.
[02:17] <flaccid> was ist mittengrabben?
[02:18] <snowrichard> it was a joke sign I had once
[02:18] <flaccid> ok i don't know what it means in german
[02:18] <snowrichard> I really don't speak any german
[02:19] <flaccid> ah ok
[02:19] <flaccid> hehe
[02:19] <genii> codyt http://www.dslreports.com/faq/2165 has all default passwords for that series. It could be one of the alternates. Or perhaps you need to do the paperclip trick first to factory-default the thing
[02:20] <genii> codyt Do you currently have the satellite box powered up and so on?
[02:21] <bXi> there seems to be a shortcut to start konsole
[02:21] <bXi> does anybody know what it is?
[02:21] <Jucato> bXi: you can make it whatever you want
[02:21] <Jucato> right-click on the Konsole entry in K Menu and select Edit this item
[02:21] <bXi> i'm constantly hitting it without knowing
[02:22] <Jucato> konsole?
[02:22] <codyt> genii, I do
[02:22] <Jucato> bXi: when you are in Konqueror?
[02:22] <bXi> dont know
[02:22] <codyt> and, I guess I didn't reset it, because I reset it again and logged in with no password.
[02:22] <codyt> Playing with configurations, now.
[02:22] <bXi> i always see i have multple konsoles open after a little while
[02:22] <genii> bXi konsole is an interface to the command-line , sort of like on old windoze using a dos box
[02:23] <bXi> genii: i know what a konsole is
[02:23] <Jucato> bXi: in Konqueror, when you press F4, Konsole is run from the current location/folder
[02:23] <Jucato> that's probably it
[02:23] <bXi> sounds very likely yeah
[02:24] <bXi> any other posibilties?
[02:24] <genii> bXi Your question was a bit ambiguous as to whether you wanted to know what the shortcut was or the application :)
[02:24] <bXi> like in krusader?
[02:24] <Jucato> bXi: if that's the case, the setting for it is in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
[02:24] <dima2001> is it possible to add a mounted ubuntu iso as a deb source (to update from 6.10 to feisty)?
[02:24] <Jucato> bXi: not really sure. I'm not familiar with how krusader works.
[02:24] <flaccid> krusader rox
[02:24] <HymnToLife> dima2001, yed
[02:24] <HymnToLife> yes*
[02:24] <flaccid> hehe
[02:24] <flaccid> i'm drinking becks
[02:24] <flaccid> is nice
[02:24] <Jucato> dima2001: only if that ISO is the Alternate Install CD ISO
[02:25] <HymnToLife> do sudo apt-cdrom add
[02:25] <dima2001> I got the alternate CD iso right now looped as /media/feisty
[02:25] <HymnToLife> and instead of inserting the CD, mount your ISO to /cdrom
[02:25] <bXi> genii: 90% of my work happens from konsole :D
[02:25] <dima2001> ah, trying, thank you
[02:25] <genii> bXi :)
[02:25] <flaccid> konsole also rox
[02:26] <flaccid> i guess i have open konversation, firefox, opera, konsole, kopete, smb4k, kmix, kwallet, kclip, kweather
[02:26] <grmbl> hi
[02:26] <flaccid> and amarok
[02:26] <genii> codyt OK, so a simple test to try: on modem box, get ppp0 ip from result of "ifconfig" then try to ping that ip from the satellite box
[02:26] <HymnToLife> flaccid, you beat me to it :p
[02:26] <flaccid> hehe
[02:26] <grmbl> how do i disable the splash screen at boot time?
[02:26] <bXi> even worse
[02:26] <flaccid> interesting peoples choice of aps
[02:26] <HymnToLife> I have Konsole, Kmail, Kopete, Firefox, Konqueror, Xchat, KTorrent
[02:27] <flaccid> ouch xchat a bit dirty
[02:27] <flaccid> but good otherwise :)
[02:27] <flaccid> imho ofcourse
[02:27] <flaccid> i use xchat on my usb pen drive from dsl which is good
[02:27] <Jucato> konsole, kate, konqueror, kopete, konversation, kontact (kmail, korganizer, kaddressbook, akregator), katapult, amarok
[02:27] <HymnToLife> ans also a bunch of other stuff like Kwallet, Klipper and Korganizer no one cares about :p
[02:28] <HymnToLife> and*
[02:28] <flaccid> just like me jucy really
[02:28] <matt0507> no one is running kaquarium? thats the best applet ever!
[02:28] <flaccid> cept i'm too lazy on the organizer stuff and use opera for mail
[02:28] <genii> flaccid Try irc from cli sometime with ircii LOL
[02:28] <flaccid> genii: i'm a BitchX/epic user
[02:28] <flaccid> when i feel like it
[02:28] <genii> flaccid :)
[02:28] <flaccid> matt0507: how i get that kaquarium
[02:29] <HymnToLife> !kaquarium
[02:29] <ubotu> kaquarium: aquarium panel applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-beta-5build1 (edgy), package size 68 kB, installed size 264 kB
[02:29] <flaccid> sweet
[02:29] <flaccid> i'm excited
[02:29] <codyt> genii, I can't even ping the router from my window's machine.
[02:29] <flaccid> codyt: if the router has icmp echo off you wont't be able to ping . if the host comes up in the arp cache you can at least confirm the ip
[02:30] <codyt> flaccid, I can ping from this machine, but not the windows machine.
[02:30] <matt0507> flaccid: just search for kaquarium in adept
[02:30] <Chasta> i cant grub my linux
[02:30] <genii> codyt If you did the paperclip trick it may be that the range the router is on switched from 192.168.2.x to something different like 192.168.0.x or similar
[02:31] <Chasta> I am follownig orders by: Using the Desktop/LiveCD and Overwriting the Windows bootloader
[02:31] <Chasta> and somehow can't get through: Type "setup (hd0)", ot whatever your harddisk nr is.
[02:31] <matt0507> flaccid: it's a living aquairum that sit on your desktop panel and you dont even have to feed the fish
[02:31] <Chasta> I tryed 0,1,2,3,4,5 nothing..
[02:31] <genii> codyt What windoze on that box? 2k/XP based or 98?
[02:31] <codyt> xp
[02:32] <HymnToLife> Chasta, are you on your live CD right now ?
[02:32] <Chasta> yes
[02:32] <codyt> okay, I think it may have woken up.. before it didn't have a default gateway, now it does.
[02:32] <Chasta> I mean, the other comp is in the 2nd floor I am 2 lower :P
[02:32] <genii> codyt OK so release/renew IP on it ... lag...ah OK looks like it already adjusted now
[02:32] <HymnToLife> Chasta, could you please pastebin the output of mount ?
[02:32] <Chasta> mount?
[02:33] <Chasta> I haven't mount anythink
[02:33] <Chasta> not manually..
[02:33] <flaccid> codyt: windows firewall could have icmp echo off as well. but yeah verify by arp etc.
[02:33] <HymnToLife> Chasta, you'll need to mount your existing Ubuntu partition if you want to install grub on it
[02:33] <Chasta> how can I do that?
[02:33] <Chasta> HymnToLife
[02:33] <Chasta> HymnToLife
[02:33] <SmaMer> lol i have kubunut :D
[02:33] <Chasta> HymnToLife
[02:34] <HymnToLife> Chasta, pastebin the ouput of    sudo fdisk -l
[02:34] <SmaMer> its nice :D and chill...
[02:34] <SmaMer> heheh
[02:34] <dima2001> HymnToLife: thank you, it worked :)
[02:34] <SmaMer> cant reed exe. but ok..
[02:34] <SmaMer> :D
[02:34] <Chasta> HymnToLife: well problem, the other comp doesn't have LAN isntalled yet
[02:34] <Chasta> can u wait a few min
[02:35] <HymnToLife> sure
[02:35] <SmaMer> hehe
[02:36] <SmaMer> ej dudes
[02:36] <genii> flaccid I need to head out shortly. You are going to keep helping codyt for a while?
[02:36] <SmaMer> whre are ops here??????
[02:36] <SmaMer> i cant se no oop
[02:36] <HymnToLife> Slackwise,
[02:36] <HymnToLife> (sorry)
[02:36] <genii> SmaMer yes, that is so they don't get picked on
[02:36] <HymnToLife> SmaMer, ops come only when they are needed
[02:36] <SmaMer> a?
[02:37] <SmaMer> aha...
[02:37] <SmaMer> nice :D
[02:37] <SmaMer> good network...
[02:37] <SmaMer> but i cant belive that lol
[02:39] <flaccid> sure
[02:39] <SmaMer> lol...
[02:39] <SmaMer> u need ops
[02:39] <SmaMer> searyusli...
[02:39] <SmaMer> :D
[02:39] <flaccid> i've been here for months, i don't know or remember any ops
[02:39] <flaccid> heh
[02:39] <matt0507> anyone know how i can get my mplayer to play .flv files?
[02:40] <Tm_T> SmaMer: flaccid: It's better to not see ops.
[02:40] <Tm_T> You usually see them when you get kicked. ;)
[02:40] <SmaMer> wHy?
[02:40] <flaccid> no shit
[02:40] <Hobbsee> flaccid: we exist
[02:40] <SmaMer> lol...
[02:40] <SmaMer> hmm... its bad dude :d
[02:40] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Sure we do.
[02:40] <Tm_T> =)
[02:40] <chasta1> hello
[02:40] <SmaMer> lOl
[02:40] <genii> codyt I need to get going but may be back online in a couple hours
[02:41] <SmaMer> hobbse nice :D
[02:41] <chasta1> who was helping me before
[02:41] <chasta1> on nick chasta_
[02:41] <SmaMer> i like that :D... dude
[02:41] <Hobbsee> SmaMer: :)
[02:41] <chasta1> ?
[02:41] <flaccid> Hobbsee: you an op lol
[02:41] <SmaMer> :)
[02:41] <Tm_T> I don't undestand all this "op lol" thing.
[02:41] <SmaMer> my friend runed a bigest server on balkan.. and there ops are allwys online
[02:41] <blerk> the "this is a pre-release of ubuntu live installer .... its not a final release.. final release availible in april 2006" is a typo and should be april 2007?
[02:42] <chasta1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2862/
[02:42] <Tm_T> blerk: Where that is?
[02:42] <chasta1> anyway here is the output of sudo fdisk -l
[02:42] <Hobbsee> SmaMer: oh we're always online - just hidden
[02:42] <SmaMer> i see...
[02:42] <SmaMer> do chanserv and nickserv rune here?
[02:42] <blerk> Tm_T: on the feisty herd 2 amd64 cd iso
[02:43] <blerk> desktop :p
[02:43] <Tm_T> blerk: Ah, sounds like typo, yes.
[02:43] <chasta1> hello there me is chasta....
[02:43] <genii> SmaMer yes, those services are here
[02:43] <chasta1> how can I make GRUB
[02:43] <blerk> Tm_T: yeah very minor but i tought id mention it :p
[02:43] <SmaMer> nice :D
[02:43] <SmaMer> hmmm
[02:43] <SmaMer> lest se..
[02:43] <chasta1> !grub chasta1
[02:43] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[02:43] <chasta1> !grub
[02:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:43] <flaccid> oh br0
[02:43] <flaccid> that was like so not ubuntu-like
[02:44] <flaccid> Hobbsee: you not done a kick for a while, needed a hit?
[02:45] <chasta1> I was trying to install GRUB couse windows erase it by this tutorial> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:45] <HymnToLife> chasta1, you're in your Live CD now ?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: not in a few days.  just catching you off your guard
[02:45] <flaccid> geez
[02:45] <chasta1> HymnToLife> yes
[02:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Can I too? ;)
[02:45] <SmaMer> i registrated now :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: and you seemed to need confirmation over whether i was an op or not
[02:45] <flaccid> man i got no auto-join. its lots of effort to re-join you know
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: sure, if you want :P
[02:45] <HymnToLife> chasta1, all right, run sudo fdisk -l
[02:45] <chasta1> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2862/
[02:45] <HymnToLife> and pastebin what you get
[02:45] <chasta1> output..
[02:45] <HymnToLife> thanks :p
[02:45] <flaccid> Hobbsee: no my lol was at the fact that class was not required in this channel
[02:46] <Hobbsee> class?
[02:46] <flaccid> yes
[02:46] <Tm_T> class?
[02:46] <flaccid> op, non-op
[02:46] <HymnToLife> chasta1, you have two linux parititons, do you know which one is your root filesystem and what the other one is ?
[02:46] <Tm_T> Well, it's "hidden".
[02:46] <SmaMer> lol
[02:47] <SmaMer> Tm_T
[02:47] <SmaMer> :D
[02:47] <SmaMer> nice
[02:47] <Tm_T> Yes?
[02:47] <SmaMer> u too :D
[02:47] <flaccid> hehe
[02:47] <SmaMer> can i have some ???
[02:47] <SmaMer> its like a drog
[02:47] <SmaMer> here
[02:47] <chasta1> HymnToLife: /dev/sda5   *         638        1529     7164927   83  Linux on this one is installed linux
[02:47] <SmaMer> it looks like
[02:47] <flaccid> them exclusive people
[02:47] <HymnToLife> chasta1, what's on the other one ?
[02:47] <SmaMer> :d
[02:47] <SmaMer> THX..
[02:47] <flaccid> i feel like im they are the higher class and we are like the lower class. where is robin hood?
[02:47] <Tm_T> Playtime is over, back to work. ->
[02:48] <chasta1> HymnToLife> data on ext3 partition and swap >(
[02:48] <raeez> once you install the ati drivers from the website, how do you 'select' them for x to use them?
[02:48] <chasta1> /dev/sdb1  swap
[02:48] <flaccid> !ati > raeez
[02:48] <chasta1> dev/sdb2 data
[02:48] <flaccid> being an op is hard work stuff that
[02:49] <flaccid> i'd rather be a lurcher
[02:49] <chasta1> /dev/sda1   *           1<PHONE_NUMBER>    7  HPFS/NTF   <--windows
[02:49] <chasta1> HymnToLife> stil lwith me?
[02:50] <HymnToLife> chasta1, all right, here's what you need to do : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2863/
[02:51] <chasta1> HymnToLife> lets try
[02:53] <chasta1> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2864/
[02:54] <HymnToLife> chasta1, that's normal, you can reboot now :)
[02:54] <chasta1> k
[02:54] <chasta1> :>
[02:54] <chasta1> if this works u da man >(
[02:55] <chasta1> :>
[02:55] <chasta1> my layout isnt working..
[02:55] <chasta1> ok
[02:57] <SmaMer> theats bad
[02:57] <SmaMer> linux has some bug.s
[02:58] <SmaMer> :(
[02:58] <c28c28o8> hi leutz
[02:58] <SmaMer> only the win.sp3 doesnt have any bugs. all others os. have bug,s
[03:06] <thoreauputic> botviX: *all* OS es have bugs! We just fix them faster ;)
[03:06] <dataman> hello!
[03:06] <botviX> a?
[03:06] <botviX> LOL
[03:06] <botviX> i see...
[03:06] <botviX> ur some os. hckers here
[03:06] <botviX> :D
[03:06] <botviX> i like this network:D
[03:06] <thoreauputic> botviX: in fact all programs have bugs, if you look hard enough :)
[03:06] <botviX> on my network we just tink how to
[03:06] <botviX> make fool from someone :D
[03:07] <c28c28o8> my OS has no bugs :D
[03:07] <Jeenks> blabal
[03:08] <Jeenks> I gues were still better of with Linux
[03:08] <c28c28o8> ^^
[03:08] <dataman> do you know the file where is save my network configuration
[03:08] <dataman> ?
[03:09] <c28c28o8> no
[03:09] <Jeenks> no sr
[03:09] <dataman> want see how my wireless card ra0 is configured
[03:09] <dataman> argh
[03:09] <Jeenks> what os?
[03:09] <dataman> kbuntu
[03:09] <Jeenks> ok...hm
[03:09] <dataman> i use auto configuration with graphic mode
[03:10] <Jeenks> can't you use system settings?