[02:18] <infoturtle> progress!!!
[07:27] <fagan> morning all
[07:41] <airurando> morning fagan
[08:50] <czajkowski> morning
[09:08] <airurando> morning czajkowski
[09:08] <czajkowski> airurando: howdy doody
[09:08] <czajkowski> davem: you alive ?
[09:10] <davem> yup, in work
[09:11] <czajkowski> davem: can you poke mark brenan to answer a mail please :D
[09:14] <davem> not really, all I can do is drop him an IM
[09:15] <davem> *cough*on the other side of the country*cough*
[09:16] <czajkowski> *cough*
[09:16] <czajkowski> fine
[09:16] <czajkowski> *cough*
[09:16] <czajkowski> :D
[09:16] <davem> I've sent the IM anyway
[09:16] <czajkowski> he's not answeing mails from infoturtle about an event
[09:16] <czajkowski> davem: thanks
[10:48] <airurando> hey infoturtle,  what was the 'progress ' about last night?
[10:49] <infoturtle> hey airurando, I was drunk and also wanted to see if someone was online
[10:49] <infoturtle> Mark got back to me about the venue
[10:49] <infoturtle> and I to him so we could be nearing confirmation
[10:50] <airurando> great stuff
[10:50] <airurando> :)
[10:50] <infoturtle> at an odd 2:30 a.m. too
[10:51] <airurando> little old me hit the hay at 10:30 last night.
[10:51]  * airurando is getting to old for shift work :)
[10:55] <infoturtle> ha ha, shift work is though anyway tho, I was up till like 5 playing games and drinking, more drinking than games to be fair but the combo was there
[14:23] <airurando> Happy Friday afternoon everyone!
[14:35] <czajkowski>  whoo fridat
[14:35] <czajkowski> :D
[14:35] <czajkowski> friday
[14:35] <czajkowski> and I'm buying a car
[14:35] <czajkowski> good day
[14:37] <airurando> ohhhh. what kind?
[14:38] <ebel> yay!
[14:38] <ebel> czajkowski: oh nice!
[14:39] <ebel> czajkowski: FYI remember to keep up to date w.r.t. tax/insurance/etc. The UK cameras can spot you. Tisn't like here. Or talk to slashtom w.r.t. things to know
[14:39] <ebel> czajkowski: you sick of getting busses? :P
[14:41] <czajkowski> yup
[14:41] <czajkowski> :)
[14:42] <airurando> enjoy the car czajkowski
[14:50] <slashtom> enjoy, and remember that if you're driving on a foreign licence you must always carry it when driving
[14:58] <czajkowski> always in my wallet
[15:02] <ebel> lovely weather for a friday afternoon aswell
[15:02] <czajkowski> yup
[15:02]  * slashtom is thinking of riding to the Slieve Bloom Hills tomorrow
[15:02] <czajkowski> oh pretty
[18:38] <mokmeister> evening all
[18:38] <moylan> hi
[18:39] <mokmeister> hi moylan, enjoying the nice weather? What a way to start the weekend, eh? :D
[18:40] <moylan> well as a real nerd i shun the outdoors and am planning to rpg ad&d this weekend :-D
[18:41] <mokmeister> Never really got into ad&d myself. Did a bit of CoC and MERP and stuff. Long time ago, still got all the bits up in the attic!
[18:43] <moylan> it's more an older nerd thing.  young gamers have their xbox/ps3. after that you have the pc gamers and then they go old school and go ad&d.  at least that's how most of the gamers i know go.
[18:47] <mokmeister> Went the other way myself!
[18:47] <mokmeister> Started with RPGs and board wargames etc
[18:47] <mokmeister> then graduated onto PC gaming
[18:47] <mokmeister> got sick of the upgrade cycle thing, so got a XBox
[18:47] <mokmeister> 360, that's all I mostly play these days
[18:48] <moylan> age?
[18:48] <mokmeister> Don't ask!
[18:48] <mokmeister> too old!
[18:48] <moylan> that old!  40 myself
[18:48] <mokmeister> It's my birthday this weekend
[18:48] <moylan> ouch!
[18:48] <mokmeister> ah, sure that's where I'm heading too!
[18:48] <mokmeister> Not quite there yet! ;)
[18:49] <mokmeister> I dunno, just really feel the whole age thing this year
[18:50] <mokmeister> I was supposed to meet up with the mates for Paddy's on the lash and work commitments dictated otherwise, I don't think that helped! Too responsible these days! ;)
[18:50] <moylan> there's also the complicated simple game argument.  that people play simpler games when they are under stress or have little time
[18:52] <mokmeister> I duuno, I find Hearts of Iron on the PC a great game. Can be a bit frustrating through wine, but still a great game to get lost in. It does take a lot of time though, so probably haven't played it in about a year or so
[18:55] <mokmeister> I suppose that supports your argument re complicated / simple! ;)
[18:59] <moylan> perhaps.  but when you are young you can invest hours in getting a game to work and then more hours into learning it.  when you are older you have less free time so you have to find games that you can jump into quickly.
[19:04] <moylan> i used to play simcity for hours but now i jump in and start a city.  build for 1-2 hours and then save till the next time i 1-2 hours.
[19:06] <mokmeister> Ah, yes, youth is wasted on the young! If only I had the time I used to have!
[19:07] <moylan> i'd waste it all over again :-)
[19:07] <mokmeister> (I'd do it all again!)
[19:07] <mokmeister> heehee, indeed
[19:08] <moylan> i do know 1-2 older gamers with xboxes.  they usually buy them for 1-2 specific games but never use them online.
[19:10] <mokmeister> Use mine online quite a bit.
[19:10] <mokmeister> Battlefield BC2
[19:10] <mokmeister> Great game
[19:11] <mokmeister> Fallout LasVegas and the Masseffect series are pretty good too
[19:15] <moylan> when i'm gaming on the pc at the moment it's either flash based games or really really old games like rogue.
[19:36] <mokmeister> rogue! Wow! Haven't played that in about 20 years! Was good craic! :)
[19:38] <moylan> only heard of it about around 99.  got a version for a palm iiix i had then.  and beat it in 12 months.  the guy who had told me about it had been playing it since the 80s.  he wasn't amused. :-)
[19:46] <mokmeister> lol!
[19:46] <mokmeister> Do you have you played Evony or any of those type of games on the web?
[19:47] <mokmeister> Used to play Evony myself a bit til I got trashed when I was away from it for about a week, gave up on it after that!
[19:47] <moylan> tried evony and gave up.  it didn't grab me.  i like that type of game but it just lacked... community?
[19:48] <mokmeister> yeah
[19:48] <mokmeister> I thought I was in with a good bunch til I came back and found they were in all different alliances and I was sitting on my own....
[19:49] <mokmeister> It was a game you couldn't take time out from!
[19:50] <moylan> i've also had friends disappear for months/years into games like eve
[19:51] <mokmeister> Eve, yeah, that's one of always wanted to try but never quite got it together to give it a go
[19:52] <moylan> was a fan of frontier (elite ii) so quite tempted for a multiuser variant but the commitment level seems too high.
[19:52] <mokmeister> frontier, indeed. You ever check out oolite?
[19:53] <moylan> have it installed... but don't play it much.  not sure why.
[19:53] <mokmeister> have it installed here now, rarely play it though. Give it a run for five minutes at a time for nostalgia's sake! :)
[19:56] <moylan> there was something perversly fascinating with frontier where 1/4 of our galaxy's stars were on 1 720k floppy!
[19:57] <mokmeister> True.
[19:58] <mokmeister> haha, I still have my 286 up in the attic
[19:58] <mokmeister> 5.25 and 3.5" disk drive, 20MB HDD and 1MB RAM, it was a kick ass machine for it's day
[19:59] <mokmeister> had a turbo switch that wacked the processor speed up to 16MHz! :D
[19:59] <moylan> i had an old samsung 286 until last year.   5.25 and 3.5 disk.  20mb hd and 640k of ram.  no turbo mode.  solid system. even played wolfenstein on it!
[20:00] <mokmeister> Yeah, wolfenstein was cool
[20:00] <moylan> and a lot of mahjong!
[20:01] <mokmeister> We have an old Compaq 386 connected to one of the PABXs at work, it's the same kind of machine I first starting using when I started work actually, but Wolfenstein is on it. Plays well still! ;)
[20:01] <mokmeister> Ah yes, good old Mahjong!
[20:03] <moylan> my first work system was a mitac xt system with a dedicated fax card in it.  when a fax came a tsr flushed the contents of memory and loaded the fax software.  made writing BASIC code fun when you have the random chance of it been erased from memory and god forbid you were saving to the disk when the fax came in!
[20:04] <mokmeister> lol!
[20:04] <moylan> but, but it had a cga screen! :-)
[20:05] <mokmeister> jaysus, what were they on when they came up with the bright idea of CGA!
[20:05] <mokmeister> What was it again, four colours?
[20:06] <moylan> ibm never thought the pc was going to take off.  they expected to sell 10000 units.  cga was a kludge and meant that the system had an expansion slot that made the system open.
[20:06] <moylan> but yeah 4 horrible colours.
[20:07] <mokmeister> EGA was so cool compared to it!
[20:07] <mokmeister> and as for VGA, wow! :D
[20:08] <moylan> when we got vga it was so cool.  i made a map system for dublin by scanning in a 1:20000 map of dublin.  on a scanner connected via serial port.  sllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwww. :-)
[20:08] <mokmeister> when you think of it though, 10000 units would still have been a lot back in those days
[20:09] <mokmeister> It's quite amazing how far we've come in such a short space of time and how much computers allow us to achieve now.
[20:10] <mokmeister> As long as we spend more time being productive than surfing aimlessly that is! ;)
[20:10] <moylan> and don't forget it was knobbled by the mainframe division.  it had an 8088 instead of the more useful 8086
[20:10] <mokmeister> indeed
[20:11] <moylan> i did get the samsung 296 onto the web back in 99.  in dos.  15 minutes to render slashdot.  speed of the processor was the limitation on a 28000 modem.
[20:11] <moylan> 286
[20:16] <mokmeister> No, my 286 never spent any time on the net. I had a gateway pentium II 350Mhz in 98. didn't spend much of it's time on the net either, was renting at that point and rarely had a telephone. Had a mobile and company landlines.... ;)
[20:17] <mokmeister> I remember running fractal generators on the 286. The mandlebrot set.
[20:17] <mokmeister> Thought it was cool at the time! ;)
[20:17] <mokmeister> Time consuming....
[20:17] <moylan> all this was done at work.  didn't have a landline then.  don't have a landline now!  was just proving to my bosses that we could connect any system to the web for a point of sales system so that they report back a days takings.
[20:19] <mokmeister> Couldn't imagine being without a fixed line now for the broadband.
[20:20] <mokmeister> What have you got in way of broadband?
[20:21] <moylan> i'm piggybacking my landlords wifi with their permission.  i have an ap in client mode in the kitchen and 3 systems hanging off that.
[20:22] <mokmeister> ahha
[20:23] <mokmeister> biab
[20:34] <mokmeister> So how do you find the quality? Good enough? I'll bet the landlord don't like you downloading distros! ;)
[20:37] <moylan> 8mbs download.  pretty nice.  if i used wifi from my bedroom i'd get around 10% that as the walls and granite surroundings eat signal.  the ap gives me 95% of that link.  i try to do my downloads at night and limit my bandwidth during the day.
[20:38] <moylan> that and i provide my landlord with 100% free 24 hour technical support :-)
[20:48] <mokmeister> lol! Always helps! :)
[20:50] <moylan> ah they are sound.  i got them to get a mac ages ago and it gives next to no problems.  or at least up till their current mac it gave no problems.  the current one crashes but never when i am around.  or run hardware testing software.
[23:37] <infoturtle> odd time to confirm, but just got off the wire and for anyone interested the Limerick UGJ venue is confirmed!