[00:36] <mwhudson> love commits like this https://github.com/google/autofdo/commit/963a8c1f55ed86db6b909ee603a46742b3980139
[00:37] <sarnold> "look how open source we are!"
[04:20] <blahdeblah> haha
[09:53] <schopin> Is there an archive of old Ubuntu point releases CD images, e.g. 20.04.3 ?
[09:54] <tumbleweed> https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.3/
[10:56] <schopin> tumbleweed: thanks :)
[12:57] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: I'm not a user of digikam so I'm not the one to judge whether disabling video support is acceptable; but I like RikMills 's answer on the mailing list much better, can we pull in 8.0 alpha?
[13:07] <rbasak> vorlon: do you have an opinion on ua-tools growing a dependency on ca-certificates? From a quick glance, it's currently in desktop-minimal and seeded in server somehow, but not in standard or minimal.
[13:07] <vorlon> hmm
[13:08] <vorlon> ca-certificates also pulls in the openssl binary package as a dependency, which is probably more impactful than ca-certificates itself
[13:08] <rbasak> I thoguht it was the other way round
[13:08] <rbasak> I haven't checked in detail yet though.
[13:09] <rbasak> Ah no you're right.
[13:09] <rbasak> THere's also a Suggests/Enhances relationship.
[13:09] <vorlon> and we've seen behavior differences in the recent past in libssl with or without the openssl package installed due to it shipping /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf, so there's some risk of regression potential there
[13:10] <rbasak> Risk of potential. Got it :-P
[13:10] <vorlon> yeah sorry, 6am grammar
[13:10] <vorlon> alternative suggestion: bundle the specific CA in the ua-tools package
[13:10] <rbasak> I was more thinking about the "bloating" of minimal.
[13:10] <vorlon> that too
[13:10] <rbasak> But yeah, that'd be a workaround
[13:17] <rbasak> So what's the decision? OK, or require a workaround?
[13:31] <rbasak> vorlon: ^?
[13:31] <vorlon> rbasak: I would say they should work around
[13:32] <vorlon> bundling pinned CA certificates instead of using ca-certificates is not unprecedented
[13:34] <rbasak> orndorffgrant: ^ I don't see lamoura here
[13:53] <RikMills> vorlon: I don't think they have a formally tagged alpha yet or tars. Just some appimages built from master branch as far as I can tell
[13:54] <vorlon> RikMills: ah well we have a way to use git commits as upstream tarballs as needed
[13:54] <RikMills> indeed
[14:07] <orndorffgrant> rbasak: got it, thanks for the ping and that all makes sense. The depends was because a significant portion of uaclient functionality needs it, but not all of it. E.g. the apt messaging around ESM works without ca-certs, but `ua attach` requires it. So we'll just remove the Depends for this release. In future releases we'll focus on making sure
[14:07] <orndorffgrant> everything that can work without ca-certs will, and make sure the functionality that does need it fails gracefully with a helpful error message. Does that sound good?
[14:07] <RikMills> vorlon: Eickmeyer[m] https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/tree/packages/digikam/trunk
[14:07] <RikMills> huh?
[14:07] <RikMills> oh, maybe just a compile fix and nothing else
[14:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that doesn't look like a solution.
[14:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think just pulling from master and calling it good might be the way forward. 8.0.0~alpha
[14:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Howver, I will preface and say that ffmpeg5 support there is incomplete per the devs and is prone to crashes.
[14:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, out of the frying pan and into the fire, vorlon .
[14:11] <RikMills> well shall we just disable video support in 7.7 for now, buying time to build v8 in a PPA and recuits some testers?
[14:12] <RikMills> see how hot the fire is ;)
[14:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> We can do that. Right now I'm at ERR:SLEEPY, WOKEUP, NOT ENOUGH COFFEE
[14:15] <RikMills> though as ffmeg 5 has already smooth updated its way to the release pocket, there may be no rush to fix the 7.7 build?
[14:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, it's been a rough transition as mwhudson would tell you.
[14:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> (Ping for no reason, sorry)
[14:16] <RikMills> indeed
[14:48] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: "prone to crashes" wow ok
[14:49] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: should I just try to cleanroom reimplement it and compare with what upstream has done?
[14:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: I don't know. It just seems like upstream doesn't have a lot of faith in their code right now.
[14:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nor do they seem to have a lot of faith in ffmpeg5.
[14:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: Maybe "prone to crashes" was a misremembering (it's early), but here's the conversation: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457121
[15:04] <orndorffgrant> oy I skimmed to fast and missed the "bundling pinned CA certificates ... is not unprecedented" message. we'll consider this as well in a future release
[18:47] <luis220413> What proxy configuration is used in Ubuntu builds in the dpkg-buildpackage phase?
[18:52] <sarnold> can you be more specific?
[19:00] <vorlon> guess not
[19:17] <luis220413> sarnold: Search for "dpkg-buildpackage" in this build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/337764430/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.node-rollup_0.47.4-3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:18] <sarnold> luis220413: ah, the launchpad builders have no network access beyond ftpmaster.internal
[19:18] <sarnold> (well, I don't know how they do ntp, I could imagine they might have access to an internal ntpd)
[19:20] <luis220413> sarnold: Can you bootstrap node-rollup in Bionic (from the version in bionic-proposed in the publishing history) as requested in bug 1790200 for cosmic?
[19:21] <sarnold> luis220413: cosmic is dead
[19:21] <sarnold> luis220413: cosmic reached end of life in 2019 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:21] <luis220413> sarnold: I know, but that was done for cosmic. I want that done for Bionic, that is supported until 2028.
[19:21] <sarnold> ah
[19:22] <sarnold> luis220413: it's probably best to file a new bug with a clear description of what needs to be done, and why
[19:24] <luis220413> sarnold: I want this for node-deepmerge (only in Jammy and Kinetic) to build in Bionic. But I can backport it to Focal in my PPA, copy the rollup output to a Bionic backport and it will build.
[19:25] <luis220413> sarnold: I need this to fix CVE-2021-32798 in jupyter-notebook, that is a XSS vulnerability rated critical by the upstream project.
[19:26] <luis220413> sarnold: I need node-deepmerge to fix CVE-2021-32798 in jupyter-notebook, that is a XSS vulnerability rated critical by the upstream project.
[19:28] <sarnold> luis220413: introducing a new package to an existing release can happen but it's very rare; I don't even know what to suggest as your next step
[19:29] <luis220413> sarnold: I already have a fast strategy (explained above) such that I can upload the patched packages today
[19:29] <luis220413> sarnold: I requested introduction of these packages in bug 1983018 (except for node-rollup)
[19:30] <jbicha> luis220413: are you trying to fix that CVE in Ubuntu directly? Could you coordinate with the Security Team?
[19:31] <luis220413> jbicha: I discussed with sarnold, that is a member of the Security Team.
[19:31] <jbicha> oh never mind
[19:32] <jbicha> my more specific question was if Security would want node-rollup built for bionic-security instead of the usual bionic-updates
[19:38] <luis220413> luis220413: Security updates only build with the release and security pockets enabled. Therefore, node-rollup would have to be built for bionic-security, but is not needed.
[19:38] <luis220413> Because I have a workaround (run rollup on Focal and copy the results to the source package for Bionic)
[19:39] <cjwatson> sarnold: there are various odds and ends in addition to ftpmaster.internal such as ntp, but broadly yes
[19:40] <sarnold> cjwatson: any chance those are public / in code somewhere I can skim? you know me, endlessly curious :)
[19:42] <rbasak> xnox: could you look at bug 1969247 for zfs-linux in Focal, please?
[19:43] <cjwatson> sarnold: we should _really_ document it publicly - maybe when we get to the next-generation user docs project.  For the time being you could derive it from lp:canonical-is-firewalls
[19:44] <cjwatson> sarnold: the intentional ones are those where `services/lp/buildd/builders` is allowed as a source; there may also be a handful of broader rules that include all of scalingstack or something (but those are probably things like infrastructure addresses)
[19:46] <cjwatson> sarnold: there are also restricted DNS views that play into this a bit, but even I don't have easy access to the contents of those, I'd need to ask IS.  (of course those aren't a security barrier)
[19:49] <sarnold> cjwatson: oh that's interesting, I was guessing they'd use /etc/hosts for the small handful of things they'd be allowed to use :)
[19:49] <sarnold> I guess that's not very cloudy
[19:49] <cjwatson> that would be pretty hard to maintain
[19:50] <cjwatson> restricted DNS view is much easier
[19:50] <cjwatson> (modulo the fact that only IS can see the view)
[19:50] <cjwatson> also /etc/hosts is terrible for workloads that involve lots of nested chroots/containers, like builds
[19:56] <sarnold> cjwatson: heh, there's enough abstractions in this that it's hard to tell quite what is allowed :) eg nothing in it quite says "this can do ntp and talk to the archive" to me
[19:56] <sarnold> cjwatson: thanks again for indulging my curiousity :)
[19:57] <cjwatson> sarnold: once you're used to reading it it's very helpful, but if you don't live your life around this sort of thing then I appreciate it might not be obvious just from the configs
[20:00] <sarnold> ooh vpn user specifications!


[11:24] <rick_h_> morning
[12:11] <snap-l> morning
[12:11] <snap-l> feel like a space cadet this morning. Damn allergies.
[12:11] <snap-l> brb/
[12:16] <brousch> Why is MakerFaire Detroit always in conflict with PyOhio?
[12:17] <rick_h_> because PyOhio don't care :P
[12:24] <brousch> I'm part of GRMakers and we have a big group going to Detroit this year
[12:25] <rick_h_> ah
[12:28] <brousch> Was at mobile dev and makers from 5:20PM - midnight yesterday
[12:33] <rick_h_> ah, party party
[12:46] <rick_h_> man I <3 usb3
[12:46] <rick_h_> copying 80GB like it's nadda
[13:21] <snap-l> The new The Ocean album is pretty great
[13:22] <brousch> Billy Ocean?
[13:22] <snap-l> http://theoceancollective.com/pelagial/
[14:29] <snap-l> I wish more bands released an instrumental disc of their music to go along with the regular disc
[14:36] <snap-l> Man, to think I passed this up for a paganini disc. Thankfully the Paganini disc was scratched, so I decided to trade up the exchange for this album.
[16:39] <snap-l> Had to look up the word "Twerking" to understand a news headline
[16:40] <greg-g> I just lost 30 secons of my life thanks to that
[16:50] <waldo323> rick_h_, i think my issue was an old install of ksplice getting in the way of depmod running correctly
[17:01] <snap-l> greg-g: Be glad t was only 30 seconds
[17:16] <brousch> snap-l: Twerk sounds like what they'd call you in middle school
[19:19] <snap-l> derekv: You're just now realizing RESTful is not a guarantee?
[19:55] <snap-l> http://news.turbulenz.com/post/49430669886/turbulenz-engine-goes-open-source <- this looks cool
[19:56] <jrwren> i feel like we are getting there with our setuptools and debian packing.  I know some places have policy/etc
[20:50] <brousch> Get a usb mouse
[20:50] <greg-g> mostly, my x200s works fine, I just want to leave it at home/not lug it to/from work every day
[20:50] <rick_h_> yea, I have three of those MS arc mice (older gen) for some portable stuff.
[20:50] <rick_h_> greg-g: gotcha
[20:50] <greg-g> brousch: I'm on a counch, when I'm at my standing desk, it isn't any issue
[20:50] <brousch> ah
[20:51] <greg-g> which basically means: this laptop is a great desktop, but a horrible laptop
[20:52] <greg-g> s/desktop/nettop/
[20:52] <rick_h_> lol
[20:52] <greg-g> :)
[20:54] <jrwren> macbookair 13" fits into pannier with change of clothes and lunch. :)
[20:54] <jrwren> bike commute ftw!
[20:54] <rick_h_> <3 http://www.tombihn.com/backpacks/TB0111.html
[20:54] <rick_h_> I think it's the perfect bag if you're a sub 14" laptop person
[20:56] <greg-g> jrwren: the x200s fits in my pannier, but I have real hills here, so even just a couple pounds is annoying :)
[20:56] <jrwren> lol. I'll remember that as i'm going up the traver rd. hills today :)
[20:57] <greg-g> :)
[20:59] <jrwren> backpacks + bikes => pain
[20:59] <rick_h_> ok, time to reboot and install raring. See you all on the other side.
[20:59] <jrwren> good luck rick_h_
[20:59] <rick_h_> I don't know, I like small backpacks myself.
[20:59] <jrwren> why not install and then reboot?
[20:59] <greg-g> panniers ftw ;)
[21:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: because I need to reboot into my usb device to blow things away and install...and reboot
[21:00] <jrwren> :)
[21:00] <jrwren> i upgrade.
[21:00] <rick_h_> I like the change to clean house. Only copy off the old backup what i need as I need it. Then stick it on the NAS for years until I go 'wtf...delete'
[21:00] <rick_h_> /change/chance
[21:01] <rick_h_> and one less worry if something breaks, though it sholdn't
[21:01] <jrwren> yup, lots of people do it that way.
[21:01] <jrwren> i like the ease of upgrade, walk away, come back. done.
[21:01] <jrwren> i don't have to do anything
[21:01] <greg-g> except get new software, yay!
[21:02] <jrwren> yay!
[21:02] <greg-g> :)
[21:02] <jrwren> and i'm not hating xfce.
[21:02] <jrwren> its matured a lot and uses old windows keybindings, so I know how ot use it.
[21:02] <jrwren> unity ui can diaf
[21:12] <rick_h_> yay for usb installs from usb3
[21:51] <rick_h_> so, anyone know where the DE picker from lightdm went in 13.04?
[21:51] <rick_h_> using unity isn't exactly my hope and dream
[22:01] <rick_h_> dammit
[22:05] <greg-g> lol
[22:06] <rick_h_> seriously, I can login, but there's no button/control/etc to choose any alt DE
[22:06] <greg-g> boy I love the Canonical Design Team
[22:06] <rick_h_> I found refernece to a .dmrc file, but every time I change it, log out nad back in it gets rewritten
[22:07] <rick_h_> hmm, and no font adjustments?
[22:08] <greg-g> so, seriously, this can't be right, they wouldn't knowingly make it so you can't select your DM anymore
[22:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I found a bug from last year about seeing the option but not clickable
[22:08] <greg-g> I remember seeing a bug about the raring lightdm greeter where someone's list of 4 or 5 DEs was too long and they couldn't select things
[22:08] <rick_h_> and I have three different sessions in ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[22:08] <rick_h_> gnome, ubuntu, awesome
[22:09] <greg-g> well, guess who's not updating this ubuntu install then
[22:10] <greg-g> if you had done an upgrade, I'd just blame it on your crazy amount of customization, but as this is a clean install....
[22:10] <greg-g> I think Ubuntu has a dotfile limit, right?
[22:11] <rick_h_> ?
[22:11] <rick_h_> dotfile limit?
[22:11] <rick_h_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m701hfe9h2pwnql/2013-05-02%2018.09.20.jpg
[22:12] <rick_h_> anyone see anything diff?
[22:12] <greg-g> rick_h_: joke, sorry
[22:12] <rick_h_> :P
[22:12] <greg-g> is there a button on the top/bottom right?
[22:13] <rick_h_> no, the only button is that arrow which logs me in
[22:13] <greg-g> anywhere on the screen?
[22:13] <greg-g> like, near where it says the time?
[22:13] <rick_h_> there's the accessibility/wifi/etc up to the top right
[22:13] <rick_h_> but nothing that looks like choosing a DE
[22:14] <greg-g> this suggests maybe that gear button: http://www.noobslab.com/2013/04/tweaksthings-to-do-after-install-of.html
[22:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: not following
[22:18] <rick_h_> greg-g: I see they turn off some dots and they turn off the extra sesssions but they look my screen w/o a DE chooser button in the user login controls
[22:19] <greg-g> sorry, copy fail: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4S_Ok5pAoEQ/UXhMfwgfLII/AAAAAAAAC_Y/yLVu7BZwXYo/s1000/white-dot.jpg
[22:19] <greg-g> the gear in the top right
[22:19] <rick_h_> that gear is just reboot, shutdown
[22:19] <greg-g> well damn
[22:19] <greg-g> hahah
[22:19] <greg-g> perfect
[22:20] <greg-g> sorry
[22:21] <rick_h_> damn...this is annoying.
[22:21] <rick_h_> I mean, I expect to have to run some unity next week. However, wtf
[22:21] <greg-g> :)
[22:26] <rick_h_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/awesome/+bug/1094811 jcastro had a bug in an ask ubuntu closed question for me
[22:27] <brousch> The K is calling you
[22:27] <rick_h_> I'd stick with unity :P
[22:27] <brousch> Kome join the Klan
[22:27] <rick_h_> if I wanted windows I'd just use windows
[22:28] <rick_h_> though that's an outdated view of the K I suppose
[22:28] <brousch> So much nicer than windows
[22:29] <rick_h_> oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh yea that feels better
[22:30] <rick_h_> but report had a hack/fix to the session file
[22:30] <greg-g> rick_h_: huh, don't you also have gnome3 installed? I thought you did for some reason
[22:30] <rick_h_> greg-g: no, I don't know why gnome was in the sesion list
[22:31] <greg-g> huh
[22:31] <greg-g> well then
[22:31] <rick_h_> for some reason the session file that came with the awesome package has a 'NoShow=true' or someting on it
[22:31] <greg-g> yeah, odd
[22:32] <rick_h_> yea, don't know why they're listed in the sessions like that ootb
[22:53] <rick_h_> phew, feel alive again. vim works, keyboard shortcuts work, chrome is catching up. yay
[22:53] <greg-g> chrome is catching up?
[22:54] <rick_h_> yea, put in your auth to sync and takes a few for the extensoins, history completion, etc to catch up
[22:54] <rick_h_> so starting to look close to usual
[22:54] <greg-g> oh, right
[23:02] <brousch> The first thing I install is deadsnakes and ALL THE PYTHONS
[23:06] <rick_h_> woot, python3 --version 3.3.1
[23:06] <rick_h_> on raring so no more need to compile my own python yay
[23:44] <brousch> You didn't have to before :P


[03:23] <austin987> hi there, I'm the upstream for winetricks, and I've noticed that Ubuntu's version is ridiculously out of date. I keep getting bugs filed by Ubuntu users that think they have the latest, while ubuntu is shipping a 2 year old version. The maintainer (Scott Ritchie) is no longer active, so the package and its bugs is getting no attention. I'd like to know what sort of bug I should file to request that the package be marked
[03:23] <austin987> abandoned / needs new maintainer
[03:23] <austin987> I'm concerned that if I file one against winetricks in LP that it too will be ignored...
[03:23] <austin987> example issue: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40514#c8
[05:14] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:23] <dholbach> @pilot in
[06:36] <pitti> Good morning
[06:38] <pitti> mapreri: ah, well spotted (this is a fairly new icon from last week's debci merge); will fix
[06:40] <austin987> hi there, I'm the upstream for winetricks, and I've noticed that Ubuntu's version is ridiculously out of date. I keep getting bugs filed by Ubuntu users that think they have the latest, while ubuntu is shipping a 2 year old version. The maintainer (Scott Ritchie) is no longer active, so the package and its bugs is getting no attention. I'd like to know what sort of bug I should file to request that the package be marked
[06:40] <austin987> abandoned / needs new maintainer. I'm concerned that if I file one against winetricks in LP that it too will be ignored...
[06:42] <dholbach> you could bring it up on the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list
[06:52] <austin987> dholbach, okay. Is a subscription required?
[06:53] <dholbach> austin987, if it ends up in the moderation queue, somebody will let it through
[06:53] <austin987> dholbach, cool, thanks
[06:54] <dholbach> anytime
[07:12] <austin987> sent
[07:24] <sam_yan> can not connect to X server:0  Is there someone who knows the reason?
[07:26] <mgedmin> W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/partial/adobe-flashplugin_20160407.1.orig.tar.gz'
[07:26] <mgedmin> couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[07:30] <mgedmin> ah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1570141
[07:31] <ice9> I want to submit bug but I'm not sure from which package is the cause, can someone help?
[07:51] <seb128> hey there
[07:52] <seb128> bug #1574285 ... is anybody in foundation wanting to SRU that fix to xenial? seems to create upgrade issues
[07:52] <seb128> infinity, pitti, ^?
[08:01] <pitti> seb128: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/diff/?id=ca5c108 looks easy enough, yes; do we have some way to reproduce it, for testing?
[08:01] <seb128> pitti, I'm unsure, Bjoern flagged it as an issue, but I think he picked up from the reports
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, asked on desktop (unsure why he's not on -devel)
[09:05] <Mirv> pitti: is s390x stuck? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml just things in queue, nothing running
[09:06] <pitti> Mirv: yes, they segfault ATM, this is high on my list
[09:06] <pitti> Mirv: I disabled s390x for ubuntu testing for now
[09:06] <pitti> xnox: and aupkg01 is AWOL again, if you could reboot/prod it please?
[09:06] <Mirv> pitti: ok thanks for confirming
[09:07] <pitti> xnox: no idea why this suddenly starts acting up like that :/
[09:13] <Mirv> Saviq: ^ you'll be interested in that since silo 19 is not in QA queue because of that
[09:18] <Saviq> Mirv, ack, thanks
[09:34] <xnox> pitti, some test must be killing it. We have posix something killing zvm hosts
[09:34] <xnox> pitti, any idea from logs what was the last thing started on it to run tests?
[09:34] <pitti> xnox: I can tell you when I can get back to the machine
[09:35] <pitti> xnox: I guess I should enable persistent journal on these things, but rsyslog ought to have it too
[09:36] <xnox> it detected cpu task stalls
[09:36] <xnox> with kthreads starved for ever
[09:36]  * xnox is killing it
[09:37] <pitti> xnox: curious, I notice them on arm64 scalingstack instances (bug 1531768), but I never saw them on s390x (until it started hanging last week)
[09:37] <pitti> they ran for months without that, so maybe some change in the xenial kernel or a new test indeed
[09:38] <pitti> but then, .13 took over all the work and it didn't crash so far
[09:38] <pitti> anyway, right now they just segfault right away, so this needs to be investigated first
[09:38] <xnox> pitti, i think it should be booted now.
[09:39] <xnox> but i don't see login prompt
[09:39] <pitti> ssh still hangs
[09:39]  * xnox ponders if it kexeced
[09:40] <xnox> pitti, try again?
[09:40] <pitti> xnox: thanks
[09:42] <pitti> xnox: fun, and .12 does not segfault
[09:43] <pitti> so I now have an unstable one which works and a stable one which always fails, great :)
[09:43] <pitti> and both are up to date xenial
[09:43] <xnox> enable logging, such that we catch the trigger =/
[09:44] <xnox> or do you want me to script reboot every 6h? =)
[09:44] <pitti> Apr 23 01:10:52 aupkg01 kernel: [41802.586805] Unable to handle kernel pointer dereference in virtual kernel address space
[09:44] <pitti> Apr 23 01:10:52 aupkg01 kernel: [41802.586809] failing address: 0404c00180000000 TEID: 0404c00180000803
[09:44] <pitti> Apr 23 01:10:52 aupkg01 kernel: [41802.586811] Fault in home space mode while using kernel ASCE.
[09:44] <pitti> and from then on there's more kernel spew
[09:44] <pitti> xnox: I do have logs
[09:45] <pitti> before that it did a dozen DCHP requests on lxcbr0
[09:45] <pitti> xnox: and I can reconstruct the list of running tests from syslog
[09:46]  * pitti saves syslog
[09:47] <pitti> xnox: actually, these "Unable to handle kernel pointer dereference" already started on Apr 22, one day before it finally hung
[09:48] <pitti> xnox: aupkg02 has them too
[10:06] <seb128> is launchpad timeouting for others as well?
[10:06] <seb128> when trying to edit bugs
[10:25] <dholbach> @pilot out
[10:26] <LocutusOfBorg> dholbach, I replied to LP: #535686 thanks
[10:26] <LocutusOfBorg> LP: #1535686
[10:31] <FredTheNoob> Good Morning, I'd installed Ubuntu on my USB Flash Drive, it was because my hard drive is dead... I'm wondering if there some way to move that usb OS to my new hd?
[10:31] <cpaelzer> I hae a packet that now gets an example in a /etc/defaults/... file that will depend on a certain version of another packet. Other than for that example the two packets work fine without the version restriction. I wonder if I should add a version specific info in the Depends on debian/control.
[10:31] <cpaelzer> The debian policy was not specific enough about that - so it would be great if anybody would have an advice.
[10:32] <cpaelzer> I could - as an alternative - put that version dependency in a comment along the example it that would be more appropriate
[10:33] <cjwatson> (The English word is "package", not "packet".)  Is the addition of the versioned dependency likely to be inconvenient for anyone?
[10:33] <cjwatson> Policy doesn't talk about this because it's a situation-dependent judgement call.
[10:34] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: I don't think that it is very inconvenient, I can't think of a reason to really pin it
[10:34] <cjwatson> And doesn't have to be prescribed for interoperability.
[10:34] <cjwatson> I would add the versioned dependency if it seems unlikely to be a bother to anyone, and otherwise document it somewhere.
[10:34] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: thanks - that it comes down to a "situation-dependent judgement call" is all I needed - I can discuss witrh the package owner then
[10:35] <cpaelzer> yeah, adding the dependency in my initial suggestion is the way I'll go
[10:35] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: thanks
[10:35] <cjwatson> np
[10:35] <cpaelzer> and sorry for the packet/package
[10:41] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: It's a common false friend for German speakers, I think possibly some other languages too ...
[10:41] <maswan> swedish has the same
[11:17] <pitti> doko: is http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gcc-6 the default compiler in yakkety already? the linux regression is not a build but a runtime test regression
[11:17] <pitti> apw: ^ timed out in a test, is that known?
[11:17] <pitti> doko: if gcc-5 is still the default, then i'm happy to let gcc-6 in; if gcc-6 is already the default, then this might be a mis-build of the kernel?
[11:19] <doko> pitti, gcc-5 stays the default til around June/July
[11:19] <aniruddhab> Hello, when I run sudo apt-get install crossbuild-essential-armhf
[11:19] <pitti> doko: ack, ignoring that linux failure then, thanks
[11:19] <aniruddhab> It replaces my libc6-dev with libc6-dev:armhf
[11:19] <aniruddhab> Is there a way to keep both?
[11:42] <doko> sil2100, could you forward https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/1.2.7+15.04.20150304-0ubuntu3 ?
[12:17] <doko> Mirv, any progress with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu8 ?
[12:18] <Odd_Bloke> I have a changelog line that fixes multiple bugs; does it matter how I format it?  "blah blah (LP: #123, LP: #456)" or "blah blah (LP: #123) (LP: #456)" or ...?
[12:19] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: I@
[12:20] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: I'm not sure, but you can verify the result by examining the changes file that building a source package generates.
[12:20] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: Aha, thanks!
[12:22] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: As well as what rbasak said, the regex is in /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Vendor/Ubuntu.pm:find_launchpad_closes
[12:24] <doko> jamespage, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/10.1.2-0ubuntu2
[12:27] <Mirv> doko: no time yet to look at it.
[12:27] <Mirv> that rebuild should be useful to see if any of the four failing tests were flaky or consistent
[12:30] <apw> pitti, not know no
[12:31] <apw> pitti, that doesn't reboot onto the built kernel, right?  so it can't be a gcc related issue
[12:31] <apw> (onto the one gcc-6 built)
[12:32] <pitti> apw: it isn't even built with gcc-6, the default is still gcc-5
[12:32] <pitti> apw: gcc-6 triggering linux is more like an accident
[12:32] <apw> ahh point
[12:32] <apw> pitti, so whatever it is it shouldn't block gcc-6
[12:33] <pitti> apw: right, I already unblocked it, but that linux regression won't just go away I figure
[12:36] <apw> pitti, so the x86s are both an RTC issue we've been seeing intermittantly
[12:59] <underyx> I tried to upgrade my SO's machine yesterday with `do-release-upgrade -d` from 14.04 to 16.04 and it failed horribly because udev's dpkg configure step said 'input group already exists and is not a system group' and just gave up after that
[13:00] <underyx> setting the input group's ID to <1000 and then dpkg reconfing everything fixed the issue
[13:01] <underyx> just thought I'd give you a heads up that this can break an upgrade, I use mac/windows myself and have no idea how bug reporting in the ubuntu world works but hopefully someone can take it from here
[13:14] <dobey> underyx: just run "ubuntu-bug udev" on the ubuntu computer, and it will basically walk you through reporting a bug against that package; but since you had an input group > 1000, it sounds like probably it was manually added/changed somehow; maybe the postinst should handle that by forcing it back to the right gid though
[13:15] <underyx> dobey: that solution is what I was kinda going to suggest
[13:16] <underyx> she's no power user and I'm sure she didn't manually tinker with the gid
[13:16] <underyx> so if it was changed, it must have been changed by some fairly popular package
[13:17] <juliank> pitti: You're funny. You merged the pre-depends commit for apt into xenial, and I precisely hold out doing a new APT bug fix release because I did not want to endanger xenial with that commit (but wanted the others :/)
[13:20] <juliank> I think we do a 1.2.11 bug fix release now and could then SRU this in a week or so?
[13:27] <doko> ginggs, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yade/1.20.0-8ubuntu1 not really fixing the ftbfs ;)
[13:37] <pitti> juliank: well, given how much this breaks upgrades, we don't have much choice :) we even fast-tracked this into trusty and wily, but still get dozens of new dupes
[13:39] <juliank> pitti: I just released 1.2.11, we should sync that tomorrow, and then check if it's SRU-able
[13:39] <pitti> juliank: cool, thanks
[13:40] <juliank> pitti: This fixes issues with zero size files and "E: Unpatched file  doesn't exist (anymore)!" during update runs
[13:46] <ginggs> doko: hey! sorry, that really fixes the glibc issue, but now there's a new boost issue
[14:10] <doko> Mirv, failed again
[14:15] <sil2100> doko: sure
[15:09] <barnes> anyone going to rebuild the nagios-nrpe packages to enable setting dont_blame_nrpe=1 in nrpe.conf
[15:09] <barnes> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756479
[15:09] <barnes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagios-nrpe/+bug/1555258
[15:10] <barnes> i assume that this is going to be a problem for some of those who are going to upgrade to 16.04
[15:29] <infinity> seb128: By "SRU to xenial", did you mean "SRU to trusty"?
[15:31] <seb128> infinity, both is useful I guess?
[15:31] <infinity> seb128: Or just trusty.
[15:31] <infinity> seb128: Because it was fixed in utopic.
[15:31] <seb128> oh ok
[15:31] <seb128> better then!
[15:36] <infinity> A bit shocked that we get that far before having upgraded dpkg too. :/
[15:37] <infinity> I wonder if u-r-u can be mangled to force dpkg to upgrade early.
[15:59] <cyphermox> infinity: I think we already have some stuff to tweak the order of upgrades a bit
[16:01] <cyphermox> despite the name, I think that's what the PostUpgrade{Install, etc.} option does :)
[16:01] <infinity> I wouldn't think so.
[16:02] <infinity> Oh, maybe.
[16:02] <infinity> Should be PostUpdate
[16:03] <infinity> I feel like dpkg and apt should almost always be in that list.
[16:04] <cyphermox> don't they already have logic to put themselves first when you run dist-upgrade?
[16:05] <infinity> They do, but this is python-apt, which is special.
[16:05] <cyphermox> ahh
[16:05] <infinity> And never quite the same as apt itself.
[16:05] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:05] <infinity> Irritatingly.
[16:06] <cyphermox> well, it's worth testing just putting them in the list and rolling a hacked up u-r-u in a PPA or something
[16:10] <infinity> cyphermox: Actually, apt too will probably perturb the upgrade order a bit too much, but just dpkg should be fine.
[16:11] <infinity> cyphermox: That said, uru also forces a dist-upgrade to latest trusty before upgrading, right?  So an SRU is also a good belt-and-bracers approach.
[16:11] <infinity> mdeslaur: Any qualms about me SRUing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1574285 through the security PPA (and putting it in both pockets) for the benefit of people upgrading from security-only setups?
[16:12] <infinity> mdeslaur: There's currently no dpkg delta between updates and security, and the fix is trivial and obvious: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/diff/?id=ca5c108
[16:26] <mdeslaur> infinity: no qualms at all, go ahead
[16:26] <infinity> mdeslaur: Roger.
[16:26] <bdmurray> pitti: with bug 1560797 we could make the release upgrader depend on the fixed version of apt, does that seem like a good idea?
[16:27] <infinity> bdmurray: Doesn't the release upgrader force a dist-upgrade of $current_series before running the upgrade?
[16:27] <infinity> bdmurray: Or am I imagining a behaviour that was never there?
[16:29] <bdmurray> infinity: It does in most situations
[16:30] <bdmurray> infinity: check-new-release-gtk doesn't and I think that's what notifies most people
[16:30] <infinity> bdmurray: Oh.  That seems like an odd gap.
[16:31] <infinity> bdmurray: Well, if the workaround is to make it depend on things, then we'll also want it to depend on dpkg (>= 1.17.5ubuntu5.6), once I SRU that.
[16:31] <infinity> Which is incoming shortly, after I coffe myself awake.
[16:32] <bdmurray> infinity: yeah, the update notifier release notification calls check-new-release-gtk
[16:58] <doko> infinity, do you have a glibc update in the queue? else I would just to a no-change upload to pick up pie
[17:00] <infinity> doko: A no-change upload might not work.  I'll do a test build and upload in a bit.
[17:01] <doko> ta
[17:01] <infinity> doko: Though, said upload might be forcing pie off everywhere, so it would effectively be a no-op.
[17:01] <infinity> (I already force it off on s390)
[17:02] <doko> hmm, ok. sbeattie just mentioned that we should upload that one
[17:02] <infinity> I'll get it sorted.  Enabling it might require me to do some upstream work to sort out a few things.
[17:18] <doko> sbeattie, check ftbfs at least on i386: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/check/0.10.0-3build1
[17:20] <sbeattie> doko: that's strange, looking.
[18:54] <rlaager> Which package (in Launchpad) should text-mode installer bugs be assigned to?
[18:55] <Unit193> rlaager: Perhaps you are talking about the 'alternate installer' or server installer?  If so, debian-installer.
[18:56] <rlaager> Unit193: I am. debian-installer is what I expected. I couldn't find that package. I'll try again.
[18:56] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bugs/
[19:01] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[19:01] <rbasak> Oooh, it works.
[19:01] <rbasak> Maybe out of date though?
[19:02] <stgraber> clearly out of date :)
[19:02] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members
[19:02] <rbasak> sil2100: ping
[19:04] <Unit193> rbasak: Fixed.
[19:04] <rbasak> Unit193: thanks :)
[19:07] <sil2100> rbasak: pong :)
[19:19] <showaz> Hi guys, why is everything so horrible https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html?
[19:19] <pitti> bdmurray: if that doesn't need an SRU by itself, sure; I take it you don't just mean adding a plain Depends:, as then users would first have to install *that*, but instead doing that in the downloaded tarball?
[19:19] <pitti> bdmurray: it could also be that a lot of these duplicates are from plain apt-get dist-upgrades, or not?
[19:21] <sarnold> hey showaz; a few reasons: (a) once a package is vulnerable to something, it's hard for it to get off the list -- we never revisit open universe cves to determine which ones might have been closed with newer releases
[19:21] <sarnold> showaz: (b) there's just not that many people tending to universe packages; there's a handful of people who tend to their handful of favorites, but by and large universe is often overlooked
[19:22] <showaz> sarnold: fuzzing packages?
[19:22] <sarnold> showaz: I meant more, providing debdiffs for sponsoring
[19:24] <showaz> Yes actually it is good that popular packages not affected vulnerable
[19:25] <showaz> hmm.. libjpeg9 instead of turbo-jpeg
[19:27] <sarnold> flexiondotorg: congratulations :)
[19:28] <flexiondotorg> sarnold, Thanks :-)
[19:34] <doko> pitti, please have a look at the apport, crash and fpc autopkg test failures triggered by the no-change upload of binutils
[19:41] <ginggs> doko, pitti: iirc the armhf and i386 issues with fpc were fixed in fpc 3.0.0+dfsg-4 which never migrated because of the ftbfs on powerpc due to glibc  (LP: #1562480_
[19:48] <bdmurray> pitti: It's a special ubuntu-release-upgrader depends http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/trunk/view/head:/DistUpgrade/README#L37 the upgrade won't proceed if it is not met.
[19:59] <AlbertA> pitti: the s390x tests here: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-019/excuses.html
[19:59] <AlbertA> don't seem to complete
[19:59] <AlbertA> any ideas?
[20:07] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[20:07] <Umeaboy> I don't mean to be rude in any way, but I think I found a sentance that's written in the wrong way in a po file. I'd like to check if I'm correct in my judgement.
[20:08] <Umeaboy> Could not create SSL connection through proxy server: %s
[20:08] <Umeaboy> Shouldn't that instead be written like this: Could not establish a SSL connection through the proxy server: %s
[20:08] <Umeaboy> ?
[20:08] <slangasek> Umeaboy: why do you think it's wrong? it looks reasonable to me
[20:09] <Umeaboy> You don't create a connection to SSL. You use SSL to encrypt the connection.
[20:09] <Umeaboy> Right?
[20:09] <Umeaboy> I could be wrong thou.
[20:09] <Umeaboy> In that case I'm sorry.
[20:09] <slangasek> it would not be "a SSL connection", fwiw, it would be "an SSL connection"; the rules for a/an follow pronunciation not spelling
[20:10] <Umeaboy> I wasn't talking about spelling error either.
[20:10] <Umeaboy> I'm talking about HOW the sentance is formed.
[20:11] <slangasek> Umeaboy: as a native speaker, I don't have a problem with what's written there.  "create SSL connection" doesn't mean "create a connection to SSL", SSL is an adjective that modifies "connection"
[20:11] <Umeaboy> I agree, I'm not an English native speaker so I don't keep track of all the rules, but......
[20:11] <Umeaboy> I was just saying.
[20:11] <Umeaboy> OK, in that case I'm sorry.
[20:12] <doko> crap, pitti invalidated icu, giving back s390x autopkg tests :-/
[20:12] <slangasek> Umeaboy: no problem, thanks for asking
[20:13] <slangasek> doko: invalidated because tests that were ignored as always-failed have been reset to 'in progress'?  We can override that
[20:15] <doko> slangasek, well, let's see if these succeed. but I'm fine to override these
[20:16] <tyhicks> infinity: hi - I need to sponsor a small grub2 upload to yakkety which causes it to build with --no-pie
[20:17] <slangasek> doko: ideally an in-progress run of an always-failed test would also not block us.  OTOH, some of these are tests that have passed before on s390x (evolution-data-server), so how would this have been a candidate before pitti gave them back?
[20:18] <tyhicks> infinity: does a corresponding grub2-signed update need to happen at the same time?
[20:19] <Umeaboy> How long time til 16.04 is released as a NON LTS version?
[20:19] <slangasek> tyhicks: yes
[20:19] <tyhicks> slangasek: thanks - I couldn't remember if that was required for the dev release or not
[20:19] <tyhicks> slangasek: do you know if we have that process documented anywhere?
[20:19] <slangasek> tyhicks: so to be clear, a grub2 upload to devel will stick in -proposed until grub2-signed upload also happens.  So it doesn't /have/ to happen "at the same time", but
[20:20] <doko> slangasek, enouclue. maybe he ignored these while s390x autopkg test were broken or builds not available?
[20:21] <slangasek> tyhicks: process> probably not, except if the security team themselves have documentation for it; it's one of those packages that if you don't know already, you probably shouldn't be touching without talking to somebody (which you've now done ;)
[20:21] <tyhicks> agreed :)
[20:21] <infinity> tyhicks: The process is "update the build-deps and upload the source".  There's prior art in pretty much every previous upload.
[20:22] <infinity> tyhicks: But if you copy grub2 over, I can do -signed.
[20:23] <infinity> tyhicks: I believe the security team process says "ask someone like Adam for help with this". :P
[20:23] <tyhicks> infinity: I think I can handle both of them - the previous grub2-signed uploads look very straight forward but I didn't want to miss any behind the scenes steps
[20:23] <infinity> tyhicks: Which should probably be "ask an AA who knows how the package works".
[20:23] <tyhicks> (sounds like there aren't any)
[20:23] <infinity> tyhicks: There are AA steps when you copy out of a PPA.
[20:24] <tyhicks> "IMPORTANT: also needs grub2-signed updates, and special publishing procedure - talk to infinity" :)
[20:24] <infinity> tyhicks: But the big thing to know is that even if your PPA can build UEFI signed bits (not sure if yours does), you should *never* copy -signed *binaries* from a PPA to the archive.
[20:24] <infinity> tyhicks: grub2 binaries are fine, but -signed should be a sourceful upload/copy to the archive.
[20:25] <slangasek> it should? whyzzat?
[20:25] <infinity> slangasek: Because if you have a PPA with a UEFI signing key and upload grub2-singed to your PPA, the grub2-signed binaries are now signed by your PPA key, not the archive ket.
[20:25] <infinity> s/ket/key/
[20:25] <tyhicks> infinity: ack - I'm not copying out of a ppa so I should be fine
[20:26] <tyhicks> (we only use the security PPA for security updates to stable releases)
[20:26] <slangasek> infinity: oh. does launchpad generate new uefi-signed artifacts on copy to the different archive?
[20:26] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah.  It signs the bits as it publishes the tarball.
[20:27] <slangasek> ok
[20:27] <tyhicks> good stuff to know - thanks
[20:33] <TJ-> whilst your on it, does the -signed build now include the crypto modules so SecureBoot can boot with a LUKS/dm-encrypt protected /boot/ file system?
[20:35] <cyphermox> TJ-: IIRC not necessarily all of them
[20:35] <cyphermox> there was a bug about this, it needs a change in grub
[20:38] <slangasek> doko: yeah, so I think s390x was being ignored architecture-wide due to some problems with the infrastructure before, and pitti probably turned it back on now that the tests are running again
[20:39] <cyphermox> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1565950
[20:43] <rlaager> So if GRUB updates are being pushed to yakkety, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1527727/comments/31 should be ready to go. I'd love to see that in yakkety so I can do the formal test and propose it an SRU for xenial.
[20:50] <TJ-> cyphermox: thanks; I couldn't find that earlier, but I've been hacking on grub for quite a time now and wondered if that were fixed... now using a UEFI SecureBoot PC as my prime dev PC and was hit by it last week
[20:51] <TJ-> cyphermox: currently I'm working on adding key-file and u2f/yubikey support to cryptodisk
[20:52] <AlbertA> doko: not sure who else I can ask, but would have an idea of why the s390x tests still say they are in progress here: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-019/excuses.html
[20:52] <AlbertA> the queue seems empty
[20:52] <cyphermox> TJ-: as long as you know that I'm not going to include patches in grub that haven't been blessed by upstream developers; I wouldn't mind u2f/yubikey for my crypto though
[20:54] <cyphermox> for now I'll concentrate of pushing the changes that haven't already been, to Debian
[20:54] <cyphermox> wow, I can't proper english today
[20:58] <TJ-> cyphermox: yeah, it's work for upstream
[20:58] <cyphermox> ok
[21:21] <xnox> pitti, do autopkgtest builders think they can access non-split mirrors?
[21:21] <xnox> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-armhf/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:21] <xnox> in e.g. binutils armhf test, or is this a test failure/bug?
[21:22] <ogra_> xnox, looks like a wrong mirror url to me
[21:22] <ogra_> (ports ... )
[21:28] <dax> What's the plan with fglrx and xenial? Last we heard it wasn't gonna be a thing, but I'm hearing rumors about adding it to 16.04.1?
[21:31] <xnox> dax, currently AMD does not provide binaries that are compatible with xenial's X.
[21:31] <xnox> so there is nothing we can ship.
[21:32] <gQuigs> dax: I think the rumor was about the 14.04 + 16.04HWE that we'd have to figure something out
[21:34] <infinity> xnox: Where are you seeing that?
[21:35] <xnox> infinity, in the snippet of the autopkg test log that was just on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml for binutils armhf
[21:36] <xnox> the test is for yakkety, and the error is totally for failing to fetch trusty armhf from archive.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <infinity> xnox: Might need to see more context than that to see what it's really doing.
[21:36] <infinity> xnox: But binutils looks green across the board to me, so...
[21:38] <ogra_> why would anything try to fetch armhf from archive.u.c ?
[21:40] <infinity> ogra_: Because someone asked it to.
[21:43] <xnox> infinity, because people change urls =)
[21:58] <dax> xnox: yep, which is why the last paragraph update of http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml confused me
[21:59] <dax> Did AMD decide they are in fact going to update fglrx again, or is the reporting there missing a good deal of "maybe"
[22:00] <xnox> dax, news agencies also reported that we released a day early, when we didn't....
[22:00] <dax> "Update: We've been informed by Oliver Grawert from Canonical that the proprietary AMD Catalyst (fglrx) driver has been temporarily removed the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS repositories, as it is not yet ported to X.Org Server 1.8. It will be added again as part of the first point release, Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS."
[22:00] <dax> heh
[22:01] <ogra_> heh
[22:01] <dax> so they misinterpreted maybe?
[22:01] <xnox> dax, quotes taken out of context, from somebody who doesn't do anything at all with X or amd
[22:01] <ogra_> yes, definitely
[22:01] <xnox> =)
[22:01] <ogra_> <- Oliver Grawert
[22:01] <dax> oh, right, lol
[22:01] <dax> I knew that, I just forgot :)
[22:01] <dax> xnox: thank you
[22:02] <ogra_> what i heard is that amd said they would likely offer some hybrid thing based on amdgpu but with binary bits added
[22:02] <ogra_> no idea if thats real or just rumours though ... and if it exists, when it would be ready
[22:05] <TJ-> any udev experts that can confirm that using PROGRAM="..." to set $result in the same rule-statement as RUN="... $result" will fail if other rules execute in parallel processes that also set $result? I've a rule that appears to be getting result set to the output of another statement in a different rules file
[22:53] <TJ-> it seems it does, you have to capture the value with PROGRAM="...", ENV{MY_VAR}="$result" and in the later RUN="... %E{MY_VAR}" to avoid the potential race with multiple rules setting $result
[23:10] <mwhudson> when will yakkety open for uploads (ish)?
[23:10] <mwhudson> not been a developer for this part of the cycle yet :-)
[23:11] <teward> mwhudson: it will open when it opens lol
[23:11] <teward> (have patience)
[23:11] <mwhudson> teward: heh, just like the release then
[23:11] <teward> :P
[23:21] <slangasek> mwhudson: I think the current plan is to open once icu lands in xenial, so that the libpng16 library transition doesn't get entangled with further uploads
[23:22] <slangasek> and icu is currently waiting for s390x autopkgtest runners to drain their queue
[23:22] <slangasek> there's also an ocaml question I don't have the full context on
[23:23] <slangasek> anyway, #ubuntu-release scrollback addresses most of this ;)
[23:24] <Unit193> Ah cool, waiting to upload something too.
[23:24] <slangasek> no need to wait before uploading
[23:24] <slangasek> there's an unapproved queue for that
[23:32] <Unit193> Oh, OK.  Thought closed meant don't upload. :D
[23:34] <mwhudson> ah right
[23:35] <sarnold> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1574458
[23:37]  * bdmurray sighs
[23:38] <sarnold> bdmurray: fwiw he also filed 1574450 which I can no longer access; he probably set it to private once he saw the logs
[23:38] <bdmurray> sarnold: I could automate making them all private fwiw
[23:39] <sarnold> bdmurray: \o/ until the apport hooks are fixed that sounds ideal
[23:39] <sarnold> bdmurray: are the apport hooks something you'd fiddle with or is that something a mysql packager needs to tackle?
[23:40] <bdmurray> sarnold: It should be easy fix the hooks although I haven't looked.
[23:46] <bdmurray> sarnold: it looks like it tries to replace the password at least
[23:49] <sarnold> bdmurray: from the config file, perhaps; granted, if the password winds up in the logs, that's probably one for oracle..
[23:50] <bdmurray> sarnold: have you verified that this happens at all?
[23:50] <sarnold> bdmurray: no
[23:52] <sarnold> bdmurray: hey, here's a log from ~last week https://launchpadlibrarian.net/254421818/Logs.var.log.mysql.error.log.txt
[23:54] <bdmurray> sarnold: and I don't see anything but I just briefly scanned it
[23:59] <sarnold> bdmurray: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/255183707/Logs.var.log.mysql.error.log.txt  has "Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /media/datadrive/data/mysql" -- that may come close..


[02:03] <Pikkachu> How LP translation gets into the build proccess?
[02:04] <Pikkachu> I have built a package which is translated in LP and after building
[02:04] <Pikkachu> but the original po files are the same with lots of untranslated stuff
[02:05] <Pikkachu> hmm it's built in the PPA, I guess something there sets stuff up
[02:35] <jalcine> I was going to say that maybe dh_translations kicked in somewhere..'
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> The buildd's have some config switches flipped that run pkgbinarymangler on binaries built for main/restricted
[06:08] <vibhavp>  /window 8
[14:20] <kklimonda> highvoltage: hey, I've just been skimming through the developer week logs and found your session on edubuntu. You said that you've "abandoned the server part" - does it mean you don't think it's a good idea to be working on it considering alternative server solutions, or did you just ran out of hands to work?
[14:28] <highvoltage> kklimonda: we think that it's a really good idea, we just don't currently have the resources to maintain it
[18:11] <jfi> Hello, is there particular ubuntu (or debian) rules to follow when packaging a binary executable with sticky bit?
[18:13] <bregma> people still use the sticky bit?  do you mean the setuid bit?
[18:18] <jfi> yes, sorry for the confusion
[18:23] <jtaylor> anyone got any issues with me merging matplotlib 1.1.1rc from debian? its bugfix only and there should be a final before release
[18:24] <jtaylor> unfortunatly it can't be synced do to a dep rename
[19:51] <ScottK> jtaylor: Can we fix the dep rename (if it's just sync the dep/push through new and there's no other changes, I'll do the new?
[19:54] <jtaylor> let me check
[19:55] <jtaylor> though maybe its not such a good idea there are a million testsuite failures
[19:55] <ScottK> Let's wait and see then.
[19:55] <jtaylor> weird for a rc that is supposed to get "rock solid"
[19:55] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:56] <highvoltage> wom 15
[19:57]  * Laney woms at highvoltage
[20:00] <ajmitch> Laney: how could you do that to him?
[20:01] <jtaylor> this hud is really getting in the way of work!
[20:01] <jtaylor> can one disable it for the terminal?
[20:02] <ScottK> woms is not specifically forbidden in the CoC.
[20:02] <ScottK> jtaylor: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
[20:02] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:02] <jtaylor> ^^
[20:02]  * highvoltage is wommed over by Laney
[20:10] <jtaylor> ScottK: concerning the rename, 4 rdepends getting the rename from debian is a new upstream
[20:10] <jtaylor> but I have no idea of fonts and no idea how to formulate a ffe for it
[20:11] <ScottK> It's probably OK, but you might ask the maintainers.
[20:17] <jtaylor> in the lyx news: Additionally, byte-compiled python files changed their installation target. Distribution
[20:17] <jtaylor> maintainers are encouraged to verify their patch sets
[20:17] <jtaylor> that sounds invasive, probably we don't want that yet
[20:17] <jtaylor> (and all because arch py3 crazyness ...)
[21:23] <ockham> is it to late already to re-add ocropus to precise which has just been upgraded to 0.4 in debian at last?
[21:23] <ockham> see bug 500527
[21:28] <ScottK> ockham: If it's in Debian and it's a sync, it's not to late.
[21:31] <ockham> well it has been removed from precise some weeks ago, and I guess there isn't anything Debian specific to it, so I guess that makes it a sync, right?
[21:32] <ScottK> You'd need to check and make sure it builds, installs, and runs without changes.


 @adamd [My Oneplus 3T A3000 is showing a box with L near the signal strength meter. It k …], Because UT does not support VoLTE it must use 2G or 3G/HSPA in order to make a phone call. Not sure if that is what is going on for you though.
[00:26] <adamd> That is a bumer because 3G support ends soon.  Do I need to stop using ubuntu touch?
 Depends on soon some carriers will support 3g up till 2022
 [Edit] Depends on 'soon' some carriers will support 3g up till 2022
[00:28] <adamd> Yes. My carrier is AT&T and they support it until February 2022, which is less then a year away.  Will UT update to support 4G by then?
 What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated
 @yaygya [What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated], Why the carriers and chip companies have made this so hard
 All i know is that's a year's time to find a solution
 @yaygya [Why the carriers and chip companies have made this so hard], It's literally just sending a call through the LTE network
[00:29] <adamd> Thanks for the information. I'll try not to worry too much. :)
 @yaygya [It's literally just sending a call through the LTE network], Did we have people in 2008 asking if VoHSPA was supported? Or VoUMTS? No, because it worked.
 Probably because it works differently
 2g for example had separate data and voice channels
 Now with 4G those two channels are merged iiuc
[00:32] <adamd> Thanks again for the info. Gotta run now.
 So everything goes over a data
 So no problem adan
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Sprint/comments/cdrh59/why_is_volte_so_complicated/
 [Edit] So no problem adam
 @yaygya [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sprint/comments/cdrh59/why_is_volte_so_complicated/], Just found this
 Lol
 Yeah, there needs to be a standard VoLTE implementation
 @yaygya [What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated], Proprletary code that will need to be reverse engineered, if some other work around can not be figured out.
 @TotalSonic [Proprletary code that will need to be reverse engineered, if some other work aro …], Appearently its complicated, even in the linux world
 @Bart Aki [How can I check memory usage? Morph sometimes crashes with  "out of memory" log …], Open the terminal and use command top
 `free` should also be available, right?
 -h would be most friendly
[02:53] <ubptgbot> Jigar_punadiya was added by: Jigar_punadiya
 @Tedster [free should also be available, right?], yes that works too
 @yaygya [Did we have people in 2008 asking if VoHSPA was supported? Or VoUMTS? No, becaus …], well that's not how voice worked in 2008 either, nor was anyone trying to make it work that way
 but VoIP worked (which is what that basically amounts to), via SIP
 @yaygya [What I personally don't get is why VoLTE is so complicated], Capitalism.
 Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hurdle over, it would really help to get an arm64 version of Linphone up, along with a fix for the lack of echo cancellation for it too.  … https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep
 [Edit] Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hurdle over, it would really help to get an arm64 version of Linphone built, along with a fix for the lack of echo cancellation for it too.  … https://open-store.io/app/linphone.cibersheep
 @TotalSonic [Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hu …], Yeah, that is a known issue just like volte :p
 I wonder if the foundation could get the os, ubuntu touch, certified as described in that reddit thread
 @Fuseteam [I wonder if the foundation could get the os, ubuntu touch, certified as describe …], Unfortunately, certification is per device
 So you could have two devices from the same company with one of them certified and the other not
 Or a device that's certified on one carrier but not another
 The only company that has the motivation and resources to certify their devices on everything is Apple
 Yeah that's what i got from the thread as well :/
[03:52] <ubptgbot> rburleigh was added by: rburleigh
 @alera_on [Well, everyone wonders if UU is going to use Lomiri (Unity 8) so, I don't 100% a …], if you do use lomiri in a remix/distro you can use whatever logo you want, debian can use their logo, manjaro their logo, arch their logo
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 woah, why was that image link so big...
 (Photo, 300x168) https://irc.ubports.com/HA00QRyl.png
 https://github.com/vanyasem/Lomiri-Arch
 @mateosalta [https://github.com/vanyasem/Lomiri-Arch], ❤
 OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?
 @SehjanS [OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?], Info is here https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/cheeseburger/
[06:45] <ubptgbot> darek darek was added by: darek darek
 @yaygya [It's literally just sending a call through the LTE network], Well well well .. "Just" is a kind of abstraction that mostly makes no sense in modern tech now. Your "just works" result may have taken years and years of development and tinkering by a lot of people. But here are some answers: … - Why doesnt it work "just so"? First,
[06:52] <ubptgbot> your modem needs to be able to run VoLTE so its not for all 4G devices, even though not many exist these days that can´t do that. Second, while 3G and 4G are standardized down to the bone (and therefore expensive for carriers and equipment manufacturers) VoLTE is kind of a "fashion trend" in mobile: It does not denote an international standard. Its
[06:52] <ubptgbot>  like "Nail this picture to the wall but you are free to use which tool you want". … So by that every equipment manufacturer had the freedom to implement it as they wish basically. And thats why you need software on top of the hardware to run it inside the modem already. … - VoLTE is an IP technology, so it competes a bit with the data channel for
[06:52] <ubptgbot> your apps and OS. So e.g. what if you would turn off mobile data during a call, would the call get dropped, or does the modem still continue to run data until the call is ended and then disconnects data? Lots of edge cases to be solved … - VoLTE as today requires at least 2 or 3 Android daemons to be run by the OS to configure and support VoLTE ope
[06:52] <ubptgbot> rations. Not only calls, but SMS MMS etc all must be managed a bit differently now. … - Finally, VoLTE was rushed IMHO by all participants because of cost pressure: The earlier they can turn off 3G equipment the better. They need those frequencies for 5G etc blahblah. As innovation is starving in mobile 5G is literally the only thing that they can
[06:52] <ubptgbot> show off to convince you upgrading your plan :P
 I'm trying to set up `postgres` in a Libertine container.
 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-postgresql-on-ubuntu-18-04
 I'm worried that the confinement of the container, and the inability to use `sudo`, would make commands such as `sudo -i -u postgres` impossible.
 So what can be done? I would appreciate a solution ASAP, this is a crucial part of webdev.
 @TartanSpartan [So what can be done? I would appreciate a solution ASAP, this is a crucial part …], Not sure if developing on the phone is a workflow pattern that is yet supported very well.
 Well, tablet, but here's hoping.
 @TotalSonic [Seems to me, in order to buy time as the VoLTE issue becomes more pressing to hu …], +1
[08:51] <ubptgbot> Robbie Anderson was added by: Robbie Anderson
 OK, so about VoLTE, it isn't easy, it seems best to discuss on the forum instead of here to ask and link to other projects that are facing the same challenge. But a search on volte at the forum returns 515 "false positive" messages??? Surely this topic is already out there but I'm having trouble finding it? https://forums.ubports.com/sear
[08:55] <ubptgbot> ch?term=volte&in=titlesposts&matchWords=all&categories[]=all&searchChildren=true&sortBy=relevance&sortDirection=desc&showAs=posts
 Maybe it is "fuzzy search" by default, I see some "hits" on "violet" (Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 Pro)
 @rikshaw [OK, so about VoLTE, it isn't easy, it seems best to discuss on the forum instead …], I think we discussed enough, we need people that are smart enough to hack into the vendor protocols between modem and the IMS daemons to see how they do all that stuff. We know we need VoLTE, at least on a few devices.
 We have even a Telegram group with Jolla and other stakeholders, and still no progress :(
 Its already on cross-project level
 Yes, agreed that "talk" in Telegram isn't that useful. But on forum or github/lab, where is the efficient place to do the work so we don't have do dig telegram history like animals? 😊
 Then we can save your effort to not have to write long explanations every time, since so few people know how messy it is. Is there a forum post / github/lab issue we can point people to?
 ... I have never seen an animal dig through Telegram history... 😜
 Since Discourse search seems to return too many false positives I just "sifted the search results" like an animal 😊 to unearth this thread which seems to be the most consolidated one: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2626/volte-and-3g-shutdowns
 But as it is about 2 years stale, it may or may not be relevant. Regardless, seems that upstream ofono is where the work would most likely get done, then UT would need to merge with upstream ofono? Does this sound right?
 Is this "upstream ofono"? https://01.org/ofono
 @rikshaw [But as it is about 2 years stale, it may or may not be relevant. Regardless, see …], No not really. ofono is at the very end of the toolchain. As I said you need to hack and reverse-engineer the Android IMS services (needless to say they are different for each vendor and sometimes for each device of that vendor :)) and understan
[09:25] <ubptgbot> d what does it need to enable and provision the modem for VoLTE
 If things would be so easy we would have jumped on them already.
 Its purely Android internals problem right now, before we move on to how to connect it with UT
 Can we develop UT apps on flutter?
 @ahmadhsalim [Can we develop UT apps on flutter?], Not yet
 Will it come anytime soon?
 @ahmadhsalim [Will it come anytime soon?], Not on the list of the core team. Maybe through contributions from someone else ;)
 Okay
 Here's some discussion on VoLTE confirmed working carriers in pmOS using the pinephone: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=12560
 There is a reply there noting VoLTE confirmed working on T-Mobile in the US... using the "Commercial-TMO_VoLTE" parameters...?
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Hello, is Google Nexus 5 also named "LG Nexus 5"? … Just making sure.
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> [Edit] Hello, is Google Nexus 5 also called "LG Nexus 5"? … Just making sure.
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Hello, is Google Nexus 5 also called "LG Nexus 5"? … Just making sure.], Yes. It was produced by LG
[09:59] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Ok. And there are no different 'versions' of the phone, right? … If I buy used working Nexus 5, then Ubuntu Touch should work in general, is that correct?
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <M B> yes, i have nexus 5 and i have installed ut via ubports installer without any problems
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <M B> anbox works too
[10:01] <ubptgbot> <M B> more or less
[10:02] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Great. Thank you.
[10:04] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Will 16GB in Nexus 5 be enough for the OS + some apps?
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Will 16GB in Nexus 5 be enough for the OS + some apps?], Yes, I am not a "heavy user" but that combination is my "daily driver"
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <M B> sure
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> Ok
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <M B> my nexus 5 works very good even though it's so old. the only problem is the battery life.
[10:13] <ubptgbot> Ludovic was added by: Ludovic
 On N5, works great, but yeah the battery. Thinking of getting the Pixel 2 as I heard Flo has been working on it. What is the current status of the Pixel 2?
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> LG Nexus 5 D821
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> [Edit] LG Nexus 5 D821 … Will do?
 For me N5 with 16GB is to small, because i using offline Maps for Navigation. Example: Germany used 10GB.
[11:08] <ubptgbot> <Geld - internet-landlords.xyz> @SteffenPrz [For me N5 with 16GB is to small, because i using offline Maps for Navigation. Ex …], As a toy phone to test Ubuntu Touch, I think 16GB (probably 13-14 usable) will be enough. … As long as it's enough to install the OS + some bonus apps, it will be fine.
 @SehjanS [OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?], @flohack gottem
 @Flohack [No not really. ofono is at the very end of the toolchain. As I said you need to …], idk if this is relevant but in phh gsis the patched ims is per soc manufacturer and vendor version
 e,g mtk q vendor
 @SehjanS [OnePlus 5 cheeseburger ?], We have an issue with the installer right now, but otherwise looks promising. Ah and only SIM slot 2 works and no call audio ;)
 @TartanSpartan [I'm worried that the confinement of the container, and the inability to use sudo …], i don't think confinement will be a real issue as long as you stay within the container. as for `sudo -i -u postgres` maybe try using a root shell for sudo commands?
 @Flohack [We have an issue with the installer right now, but otherwise looks promising. Ah …], thought you were looking for testers :p
 @Fuseteam [thought you were looking for testers :p], Sure but its cumbersome to install without the installer
 ah true yeah
[12:54] <ubptgbot> <Robbie Anderson> Woooow!!!!!!! I RECEIVED CRYPTO!!!!! https://cutt.ly/3cOrnTe
[13:32] <ubptgbot> xKumo was added by: xKumo
 @Fuseteam [i don't think confinement will be a real issue as long as you stay within the co …], Nope. You need to run that command, `sudo` and all, I'm quite sure but you can't use `sudo` in Libertine, and without it then `-i -u` prefixes are meaningless.
 but `sudo -i` gets you a root shell
 Unless someone has any bright ideas I think I will have to install Postgres on UT outside of the container, since I need to generate a database for this remote learning assessment today. I think this should be safe though? Because they are deps which don't replace anything on the file system, so shouldn't break anything.
 so all `sudo -i -u postgres` is really doing is switch your user to the postgres user iiuc
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 Does it? :P
[13:43] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [Will 16GB in Nexus 5 be enough for the OS + some apps?], My daily drive ,battery is not hard replece.
 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], try `sudo -i` outside of libertine
[13:44] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @SteffenPrz [For me N5 with 16GB is to small, because i using offline Maps for Navigation. Ex …], How get offline map?
 @Ted Rendol [My daily drive ,battery is not hard replece.], but it is non-removable 👀
 @Ted Rendol [How get offline map?], OSM scout in the openstore
 @TartanSpartan [Unless someone has any bright ideas I think I will have to install Postgres on U …], have you tried creating a chroot? maybe it's more flexible than libertine
 @Javacookies [have you tried creating a chroot? maybe it's more flexible than libertine], isn't libertine just a chroot in most cases?
 yeah, proot I believe, which is an unprivileged chroot?
 oh right its an unprivileged chroot
 privileged chroots are thing too huh 🤔
 @TartanSpartan [Does it? :P], here if your still skeptical:
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[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [but it is non-removable 👀], True, but with a careful procedure without any damage, it is possible to change the battery. With a little heating, the 5-year-old glue is easily removed :)
 @Ted Rendol [True, but with a careful procedure without any damage, it is possible to change …], hmmm
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [OSM scout in the openstore], Ok, thenx
 battery on the Nexus 5 can be replaced by someone who know what he/she's doing … one of mine had the battery replaced....but it wasn't me, I bought it like that....I don't know what I'm doing so I don't qualify 😂
 Here you go: … https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+5+Battery+Replacement/26009
 [Edit] battery on the Nexus 5 can be replaced by someone who knows what he/she's doing … one of mine had the battery replaced....but it wasn't me, I bought it like that....I don't know what I'm doing so I don't qualify 😂
 @klaartje_b [Here you go: … https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+5+Battery+Replacement/26009], Problem I had on  Nexus 7 battery replacement was that it was easy to do, but all the ebay batteries you can buy have also been sitting on a shelf for 7 years. I tried to get the "best one" but it wasn't that good at holding a charge, now 1 year l
[13:58] <ubptgbot> ater it is basically the same as the 7 year old battery I replaced last year.... hmmm......
[13:59] <ubptgbot> karlin5233 was added by: karlin5233
 hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage error and the device is only in the boot image, does anyone know how to solve it?
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[14:04] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @klaartje_b [Here you go: … https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+5+Battery+Replacement/26009], Yes, good start and also read the comments below the guide carefully.
 @karlin5233 [hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage er …], can you verify if the partition layout was ever changed?
[14:05] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Javacookies [battery on the Nexus 5 can be replaced by someone who knows what he/she's doing …], :-D
 @Fuseteam [can you verify if the partition layout was ever changed?], Error: adb:push: Error: {"error":{"code":1},"stdout":"adb: error: failed to copy '/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubports-58b6f54398a3601a5c0646b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/ubports-58b6f54398a3601a5c06
[14:06] <ubptgbot> 46b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz': remote No space left on device\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubports-58b6f54398a3601a5c0646b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.4 MB/s (368172304 bytes in 33.866s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubpor
[14:06] <ubptgbot> ts-58b6f54398a3601a5c0646b558752ead169c183d243b4054fc9f27fb272312a2.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 7.4 MB/s (488 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/device-a5e8b471edfef89ea4dc3276cc95d4a8f67925673cffb7008c080ed49d052860.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.3 MB/s (59672568 bytes in 5.504s)\n/home/karlin
[14:06] <ubptgbot> 5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/device-a5e8b471edfef89ea4dc3276cc95d4a8f67925673cffb7008c080ed49d052860.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.8 MB/s (488 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/keyring-4c4e7ef380ebcfa2c31084efa199138e93bfed8fc58aa3eb06bdf75a78af9b57.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped.
[14:06] <ubptgbot> 0.1 MB/s (1504 bytes in 0.013s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/keyring-4c4e7ef380ebcfa2c31084efa199138e93bfed8fc58aa3eb06bdf75a78af9b57.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 9.6 MB/s (473 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/version-2001.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 0.0 MB/s (472 b
[14:06] <ubptgbot> ytes in 0.029s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/version-2001.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 10.4 MB/s (488 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/image-signing.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 31.0 MB/s (900 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/
[14:06] <ubptgbot> image-signing.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 18.4 MB/s (473 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/image-master.tar.xz: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 26.0 MB/s (864 bytes in 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/image-master.tar.xz.asc: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 17.8 MB/s (473 bytes i
[14:06] <ubptgbot> n 0.000s)\n/home/karlin5233/.cache/ubports/hammerhead/Ubuntu Touch/ubuntu_command: 1 file pushed, 0 skipped. 18.8 MB/s (731 bytes in 0.000s)\n13 files pushed, 0 skipped. 10.2 MB/s (427852226 bytes in 39.855s)"}
 This is the error
[14:06] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @rikshaw [Problem I had on  Nexus 7 battery replacement was that it was easy to do, but al …], In good shops look at OEM label battery
 @karlin5233 [hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage er …], ideally, you flash original ROM before flashing UT so that the partitions are compatible with what UT expects
 @Fuseteam [can you verify if the partition layout was ever changed?], I tried reinstalling the official software, going back to lineage and I can't get it to work.
 @karlin5233 [This is the error], you partition layout has been changed in the past, you must restore the partition layout to stock first
 what you have tried so far has not restored the partition layout to stock afaict
 @Fuseteam [what you have tried so far has not restored the partition layout to stock afaict], I will try to go back to stock and do it from there
 @karlin5233 [I will try to go back to stock and do it from there], here: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/54062
 @karlin5233 [I will try to go back to stock and do it from there], [Edit] here this might help you: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/54062
 @Fuseteam [here this might help you: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/54062], I have done it and it did not work out
 @karlin5233 [I tried reinstalling the official software, going back to lineage and I can't ge …], don't flash lineage. flash the last Android 6.0.1 full image from Google
 with lineage you're probably grabbing something that's android 9 or 10 and has different partitioning
 @dohbee [don't flash lineage. flash the last Android 6.0.1 full image from Google], I just did it and it still doesn't work, it gives me the same error
 or maybe it has to be reset manually using twrp
 well now you're asking in the spanish group too…
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 nice pack alan
 @dohbee [well now you're asking in the spanish group too…], I'm Argentine, I speak Spanish, that's why I found the group in Spanish, sorry
 it's no problem
 its probably better to ask in the spanish group in your case
 just hard to follow both. will leave you to the spanish chat :)
 @karlin5233 [hello, I have a problem when installing ubuntu on my nexus 5, I get a storage er …], Repart your nexus 5 with TWRP.  https://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=514132&st=19700#ENTRY87193696 (This is help me.)
 @Fuseteam [nice pack alan], Wrong group. ;)
 @alan_griffiths [Wrong group. ;)], well tis stolen now xD
 @Fuseteam [well tis stolen now xD], +1
[15:01] <ubptgbot> <Kendrick Charles> [https://twitter.com/ellonmusk2/status/1374126901341419520](https://bit.ly/3sVLSdu) … Ellon give-a-way crypto!! 😍😍
[15:40] <ubptgbot> Atrimus was added by: Atrimus
 Does anyone have an Ubuntu touch Tecno Port?
 Is there any app on UT for unpacking zip files? Some MMSes I receive to only download from the phin carrier website and they are packed in zip files 🤔
 Tricky thing is that somtimes I receive normal MMS message, and sometimes link to login to the carrier website. I have Internet connection on all the time.
 @Fuseteam [here if your still skeptical:], Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system,right?
 @AgnieszKa17 [Is there any app on UT for unpacking zip files? Some MMSes I receive to only dow …], File manager does unpack zip files iirc
 @Fuseteam [here if your still skeptical:], [Edit] Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system, right?
 yeah, file manager can extract archives
 Ok, founded 😁 Thak you 😀
 @TartanSpartan [Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system, righ …], No, that's not what i mean. I mean if `sudo -i` makes you root than you should be able to do whatever `sudo -i -u postgres` does in libertine's root shell
 Oh right ok I'll try it out then.
 @Javacookies [have you tried creating a chroot? maybe it's more flexible than libertine], I would but I need to focus directly on the assessment today. So hopefully that wouldn't be necessary.
 good luck 👍
 Thanks!
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 @Fuseteam doesn't look like it works?
 yeah you need to switch to the postgress user
 man, I missed that side-stage 😄
 @TartanSpartan [@Fuseteam doesn't look like it works?], can you check if su is available?
 Yes it is.
 In UT I mean.
 and in libertine's root shell?
 @Javacookies [man, I missed that side-stage 😄], Yeah it is essential for me to approximate a poweruser environment for stuff like this in the (hopefully temporary) absence of my laptop.
 Check if su is in there you mean?
 @TartanSpartan [Check if su is in there you mean?], yes
 try `su - postgress`
 [Edit] try `su - postgres`
 I run `sudo su` after doing the `bin/bash` instruction to Libertine, and it says permission denied for `sudo su`.
 Huh, `su: invalid option -- 'o'`
 you are already root in libertine right?
 Oh wait I did that with the dash joined to the second word.
 Yessir.
 `su - postgres` gives some output:
 dramatic pause
 `No directory, logging in with HOME=/ … (stuff about sudo) … initctl: unable to determin sessions`
 [Edit] ```No directory, logging in with HOME=/ … (stuff about sudo) … initctl: unable to determin sessions```
 And the user now says `phablet@ubuntu-phabletL/$`
 oh maybe the postgres user wasn't created
 and now i'm not even sure unprivileged chroots even support users 🤔
 then again phablet does exist in libertine iirc
 [Edit] then again phablet does exist in libertine iirc
 It still returns stuff like `psql: command not found` :(
 Yeah I've been wondering that myself.
 Ok it looks like I'll have to install Postgres to UT itself? As said before I'm quite comfortable with that prospect.
 It shouldn't mess with the rest of the webdev environment I have installed in the container.
 yeah it looks like that's the quikest way right now
 tho i'm not sure if postgress will be accessible from within libertine
 you can easily reflash via installer without losing data in case you break anyway, so go ahead 😄
 @TartanSpartan [Yeah but that would still entail installing Postgres on the UT file system, righ …], you can use postgres in libertine. you just can't use sudo
 Can you give a quick rundown of how please Rodney?
 @Fuseteam [tho i'm not sure if postgress will be accessible from within libertine], That would be fine with me, just using them in tandem.
 you will have to adjust commands and such from tutorials such that they work inside an unprivileged container without sudo
 @dohbee [you will have to adjust commands and such from tutorials such that they work ins …], so what would he have to do instead of `sudo -i -u postgres`
 that's the current bottleneck
 maybe this? https://www.endpoint.com/blog/2013/06/12/installing-postgresql-without-root
 i'm pretty sure you can just skip that and do things without logging in as "postgres" user
 the container is unprivileged; meaning everything is owned by the `phablet` user already when using the standard shell
 @Fuseteam [yeah it looks like that's the quikest way right now], It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the interest of time constraints.
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], [Edit] looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command fwiw
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], [Edit] looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command in libertine fwiw
 @TartanSpartan [It does sound like this is the case, so I'll run with that for now in the intere …], [Edit] looks like you should be about to skip the `sudo -i -u postgress` command in libertine fwiw: https://t.me/ubports/334694
 I didn't seem to get any useful output in either terminal, though, running commands for the tool.
 Anywho I'm going with installing it on the main filesystem, I think this should be fine for my purposes.
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[18:34] <ubptgbot> TheVancedGamer was added by: TheVancedGamer
 Hello there folks. I've been thinking about Nexus 5 and its antediluvian linux core. Is there any way to update this core to linux kernel 5 or this phone just incompatible at all?
 Touch wood it seems to be going fine so far.
 @JustTheOtherOne [Hello there folks. I've been thinking about Nexus 5 and its antediluvian linux c …], sorry, what?
 @JustTheOtherOne [Hello there folks. I've been thinking about Nexus 5 and its antediluvian linux c …], anted— what?
 but no, the goal of UBports Foundation isn't to convert Android devices to mainline kernels
 @Fuseteam [anted— what?], linux core v3
 very old
 if you want mainline traditional distro, you might want to try postmarketOS
 Android devices have binary blobs that only work with specific kernel versions
 ah right we use the android kernel to ensure hardware compatiblity, the mainline kernel does cover as much as the hardware as the android kernel does atm
 [Edit] ah right we use the android kernel to ensure hardware compatiblity, the mainline kernel does cover NOT as much as the hardware as the android kernel does atm
 [Edit] ah right we use the android kernel to ensure hardware compatiblity, the mainline kernel does cover NOT as much of the hardware as the android kernel does atm
 TIL "anteduvilian“ 😆
 [Edit] TIL "antediluvian“ 😆
 Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, and I don't know how properly will be working popular basic commands in ubuntu 20.04. And actually I wanna do this (update linux kernel) on my own, but before that, is that even possible?
 @JustTheOtherOne [Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, a …], updating the kernel will mean breaking hardware functionality
 so "yes" you can but you will break your install
 [Edit] so "yes" you can but you will break your installation
 @JustTheOtherOne [Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, a …], no, it's not a supported thing with Ubuntu Touch
 Erm casual commands are not affected by the kernel version. Subtle differences are there but the commands not working has a very low chance.
 @Fuseteam [so "yes" you can but you will break your installation], Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?
 if you want the latest and traditional linux distro on your phone, you should look at postmarketOS
 or maybe mobian or manjaro arm
 @JustTheOtherOne [Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?], you can't configure the kernel with drivers that don't exist
 @JustTheOtherOne [Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?], there are no kernel drivers for most of the hardware android device that's the challenge
 I know them, I've tried, also outdated kernel
 @Fuseteam [there are no kernel drivers for most of the hardware android device that's the c …], Ah, sweet!
 @JustTheOtherOne [Oh, lovely. Even configuring kernel with advanced drivers?], [Edit] there are no kernel drivers for most of the hardware android device that's the challenge
 or just buy a pinephone if you want a fully mainline experience
 @JustTheOtherOne [Ah, sweet!], also ubuntu touch will be updated to 20.04 is the coming months eitherway, including on the nexus 5
 yes, but not with 5.x kernel
 PinePhone is the best bet if you want a truly updated kernel.
 if you want 5.x kernel, get a PinePhone or build pmOS or something with newer kernel and enjoy your device not having fully working hardware
 i would say, enjoy fixing the hardware xD
 @Geld - internet-landlords.xyz [LG Nexus 5 D821 … Will do?], I would say that storage is more than enough. I have anbox installed with 10 apps and another 10 apps from the open store and I still have 10.4G free storage in my Nexus 5.
 I have been testing and adapting my use cases with UT. It's been a pleasure this far. UT is a lot of fun and easy. I can't get over myself about how easy it is to connect to my TV and do some browsing, texting, and typing some text with my favorite keyboard and mouse.
 I have setup syncthing to make some documents and photos available between my devices and as a form of backup. UT also makes it so easy to access documents over the local network. The UT file manager is refreshingly powerful. It just works.
 Could someone tell me where the note app stores it's data. I want to use synchthing to copy or syncthe notes with another device. Thanks!
 @JustTheOtherOne [Well, I know but there's a problem with these kernels. They're kinda outdated, a …], There is no reasoning in wasting time with updating a kernel, thereby loosing support for a lot of hardware enablement, which will eventually lead to a "WiFi tablet" thingie without proper modem, sensors GPS etc. Bluetooth might still wo
[21:49] <ubptgbot> rk too. But thats not what we want to have. So yes, kernel for nexus 5 is old but so is the device. Newer Android devices have kernel 4.4, still not that great, but absolutely Ok. … Also, Linux kernel in general is not so important for userspace applications. "Popular basic commands" will all work in 20.04 I would assume
 Can anyone tell me why the app drawer is so stuttery on the VollaPhone in comparison to other scrolling actions on the phone? Even Launcher modular seems to perform better as long as the Background isn't transparent. It doesn't really bother me to much but I wondered what causes this.
 havent noticed on dev


[03:12] <MIF> is there a way to install the ubuntu server installer on a flash drive with out installing software or having admin on a macbook?
[03:13] <mybalzitch> I'm not sure diskutil will let you make changes / write to a raw device file without admin
[03:13] <MIF> ok
[03:14] <MIF> because I am going to have to reinstall
[03:15] <MIF> :(
[03:23] <mybalzitch> well you can try launching diskutil / writing out the image to the raw usb device
[03:23] <mybalzitch> with dd
[03:23] <MIF> I first have to nuke my server
[03:25] <mybalzitch> why not write out the installer on your server
[03:26] <quadrathoch2> mybalzitch because it was compromized
[03:26] <MIF> yep
[03:26] <MIF> because I left a user with out a password
[03:28] <MIF> I thought I got all of the virus off but after I rebooted, there it was
[03:34] <dax> did i miss you giving us information about this virus in scrollback
[03:34] <MIF> no I said talked about it
[03:35] <dax> what did "there it was" involve?
[03:35] <dax> some specific process (which one?) in the output of `ps`, or...?
[03:36] <MIF> no it reinstalled its self
[03:36] <dax> yes, what did you see that leads you to believe that, is what i'm asking
[03:37] <MIF> dir.dir is the tell tale sign of this virus
[03:38] <dax> ah
[03:38] <dax> glad you're going the reinstallation route now
[03:39] <MIF> now I need to know how to install the installtion on a flash drive on a mac with out admin
[03:40] <dax> i forget whether Disk Utility requires admin to write to USB. if not, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-macos#3-prepare-the-usb-stick . if it does, i think those constraints don't work
[03:40] <dax> since dd requires sudo and i think everything else that touches disks on the CLI does
[03:40] <MIF> ok
[03:40] <dax> the macos channel on here (i think it's #macos? not sure) might know better
[03:40] <MIF> ok
[03:41] <dax> oh, those instructions need Etcher, ugh
[03:41] <MIF> Yea
[03:41] <MIF> It is on my school computer
[03:41] <MIF> so I cannot install apps
[03:41] <dax> no other computers in the house apart from your server and a locked-down mac?
[03:42] <MIF> not that I can access
[03:42] <MIF> right now I am kinda in quarantine because I was exposed and my mom is high risk
[03:49] <quadrathoch2> MIF, afaik, disk util needs admin rights, as the underlying tool _is_ dd
[03:50] <tomreyn> MIF: got an android phone?
[03:50] <MIF> no
[03:51] <tomreyn> hmm ask a neighbour to place a stick on their doormat for you to fetch
[03:51] <tomreyn> or on yours if you're quarantined
[03:53] <tomreyn> or maybe your mom can do one for you, or you can swap spots with her for a while, using her computer to do the stick
[03:56] <mybalzitch> even if the server was compromised, it'd have to be some pretty advanced malware to modify the install image they copy over and write to the flash drive
[03:56] <dax> im looking forward to the upcoming #ubuntu-server discussion on fomites
[03:56] <dax> mybalzitch: yeah, you're angling down the route i'd take too, though it goes against "best practices"
[04:09] <JanC> ask a friend to make the USB stick and get it to you somehow...
[04:09] <MIF> I will find a way
[04:09] <JanC> also, if you have a router or NAS that you can log into which also has USB, that's an option too...
[04:09] <MIF> yes I do but I don't want to do anything to that
[04:10] <JanC> I mean, you could write the stick from that  :)
[04:10] <MIF> ok
[10:13] <jancoow> mmh
[10:13] <jancoow> when c onnecting through ssh for the first time in x hours it takes very long to connect
[10:13] <jancoow> why is this?
[16:40] <teward> jancoow: could be any number of reasons.  network lag, network access rules, Fail2ban, UseDNS is trying to rDNS your system and failing repeatedly, etc.
[16:40] <teward> but "very long" is subjective so you'll need to be more specific
[18:33] <kinghat> does the server installer have zfs support now?
[19:39] <jayjo-> how do curtin and cloud-init relate in terms of autoinstallations for servers?
[19:39] <jayjo-> I'm trying to mount a partition at the install stage so cloudinit can use it as a "file" debian repository (with offline packages)
[19:39] <jayjo-> it looks like cloudinit and curtin have different storage formats for this.
[20:41] <MIF> would curl still work
[20:42] <MIF> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CbdEI9CR/
[20:42] <MIF> what that firewall config?
[20:42] <MIF> and I know nothing can get in
[20:59] <tomreyn> "Pastebin deleted"
[20:59] <MIF> oh
[20:59] <MIF> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Fm1K1SWp/
[20:59] <MIF> try that
[21:00] <MIF> is that link working tomreyn?
[21:04] <tomreyn> MIF: yes, this link is working as says:    sudo ufw enable; sudo ufw default deny incoming; sudo ufw reload
[21:04] <tomreyn> what is your question?
[21:04] <tomreyn> *AND says
[21:04] <MIF> Will I beable to use curl and wget?
[21:04] <tomreyn> outbound, yes, inbound no
[21:04] <MIF> so I cannot download files?
[21:05] <tomreyn> depends on where you loading from and to, i guess
[21:05] <MIF> github
[21:05] <MIF> and to install things
[21:06] <tomreyn> so - i'm guessing, for llack of details - you want to download something from github to this server, after running these commands on the server, which has a default ufw configuration. is this correct?
[21:06] <MIF> yes
[21:06] <MIF> I am working on a script to help me get my server reinstalled and that would be the first thing ran
[21:06] <tomreyn> so that should be working. does it not?
[21:07] <MIF> I have not tried it yet
[21:07] <tomreyn> well, you shoudl try.
[21:07] <MIF> if you want to see that script https://github.com/Sturtz-Network/server-setup/blob/master/install.sh
[21:08] <tomreyn> i think denying inbound traffic is the default policy
[21:09] <tomreyn> this is unsafe: curl -O http://software.virtualmin.com/gpl/scripts/install.sh; sudo chmod +x install.sh; sudo ./install.sh
[21:09] <MIF> it is?
[21:10] <MIF> how is it unsafe?
[21:10] <tomreyn> download from http, not https, code not verified, run
[21:10] <MIF> oh ok
[21:10] <MIF> how would I verify it?
[21:11] <tomreyn> against a cryptographic signature if one is provided. or a checksum
[21:11] <MIF> (what?)
[21:11] <tomreyn> the latter is just a rough check
[21:11] <MIF> and how would I do that?
[21:12] <tomreyn> the easiest option is robably to just use the HTTPS url, if you trust their webserver not to get compromised. it's not really enough, though.
[21:13] <tomreyn> you'll need to ask virtualmin folks how to verify the authenticity of their software downloads
[21:13] <MIF> ok, what else can I do?
[21:13] <MIF> ok
[21:13] <tomreyn> hmm, their installation guide is really bad https://www.virtualmin.com/download.html
[21:13] <MIF> ok
[21:13] <tomreyn> suggests doing exactly what you do
[21:14] <MIF> ok
[21:15] <tomreyn> apparently they provide gpg signed apt repositories http://software.virtualmin.com/vm/6/gpl/apt
[21:15] <MIF> they have apt?
[21:16] <tomreyn> why, did i write so?
[21:17] <tomreyn> oh yes, i did. then it could be so.
[21:17] <tomreyn> you could inspect the link and maybe find out for yourself.
[21:17] <MIF> I am
[21:18]  * MIF has to do it though way back because his school blocked https://virtualmin.com/ because of the forum
[21:20] <MIF> so how would I do that with apt then?
[21:22] <MIF> I will just have to go the https route
[21:30] <soulseeker> hey
[21:30] <MIF> hi
[21:30] <soulseeker> can this do a filrsystem backup at install like linuxmint
[21:31] <soulseeker> thinking of using the same  version mint based on
[21:33] <soulseeker> choosing carefully
[21:45] <soulseeker> MIF are you interested?