[11:35] <wpk> Is it possible to deploy Kubernetes with conjure-up to a non-default VPC on EC2?
[12:37] <mark-dickie> Hello all! I'm quite new to juju and am writing a charm which utilises layer:snap but it never seems to actually install the snap. Is there anyone here who might know what I've done wrong.
[12:43] <boolman> I'm having issues with a charm, https://github.com/MartinHell/charm-collectd/blob/6338fe9d99d8c8c4f510cff28cf617aebdd6f901/reactive/collectd.py#L220  "AttributeError: module 'charmhelpers.fetch' has no attribute 'archiveurl'"
[13:13] <boolman> nvm i fixed it
[13:29] <EdS> hello :) I've brought up canonical-kubernetes using juju, after having conjure up fail. I think I was left with a kubernetes setup that has lots of the settings as per the defaults with conjure up. Would someone be able to advise, for example, how I'd repeat this process to get the kubernetes "external" IPs to be in a subnet of my choosing?
[13:30] <EdS> If it makes any difference, we're hosting this ourselves and it's all provisioned through MAAS
[13:38] <kjackal_> hi EdS, I can give it a try
[13:39] <EdS> hi kjackal :) thank you!
[13:39] <kjackal_> EdS: you are deploying canonical-kubernetes
[13:40] <kjackal_> what do you mean by "external" Ips?
[13:40] <EdS> ok, sorry for my terminology. I mean the IP addresses assigned to services that I expose.
[13:41] <kjackal_> ok how do you expose the services? nodeport?
[13:41] <EdS> the kubernetes cluster can "expose" a service and it is then assigned an "external ip"
[13:41] <EdS> however, I've never seen anywhere where I can define the CIDR for these addresses
[13:43] <EdS> Conjure up appeared to allow me to set the desired properties of kubernetes, but did not work.
[13:44] <EdS> Juju has worked really smoothly, but I missed out on all the tweaking that would make this new kubernetes cluster usable to us!
[13:44] <EdS> yes, I have exposed the first test service with nodeport
[13:44] <EdS> and I have ended up with a seemingly random IP <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:45] <kjackal_> the <IP_ADDRESS> is one of the kubernetes nodes, right?
[13:46] <EdS> no, the nodes are on <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[13:46] <EdS> ah, sorry, that's the IP of the pod
[13:46] <kjackal_> k8s has a service-cidr config variable
[13:47] <EdS> ok, brilliant, that sounds like the right thing.
[13:47] <kjackal_> can you show me a juju config kubernetes-master
[13:47] <EdS> the exposed service, if I read this right, is <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:48] <kjackal_> that sounds better because the service-cidr has a default value of: <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[13:48] <EdS> aha ok
[13:49] <EdS> so, I think the question is now much simpler. Do you know how to set that? :p
[13:49] <kjackal_> but you cannot change the service-cidr after the initial deployment
[13:49] <EdS> ok, that's fine
[13:49] <kjackal_> you will need to redeploy k8s
[13:49] <EdS> how would I set it, at all?
[13:49] <kjackal_> give me a sec looking for the documenttion page
[13:50] <kjackal_> aaah it will be faster if I just tell you
[13:50] <EdS> I think, with juju it was so smooth it felt like magic (ok, so it's in the name) that important things like this were missed (at least for me) because of my half-success with conjure up perhaps leaving config around? If that's even possible to happen? IDK
[13:51] <kjackal_> thats a good suggestion
[13:52] <kjackal_> so what we will do is to grab the bundle from the store change the config variable and deploy it
[13:53] <EdS> ok, I have that already as I had to tweak constraints
[13:53] <kjackal_> can you do a "charm pull canonical-kubernetes"
[13:53] <EdS> :)
[13:53] <kjackal_> awesome
[13:54] <kjackal_> so you go under the kubernetes-master service and you set the service-cidr to what you need
[13:54] <kjackal_> let me do this here so I tell you exactly how this looks
[13:54] <cory_fu> EdS: When you say that conjure-up failed, can you give me more info?  I don't know much about the k8s side, but I'd like to sory out any issues with conjure-up at least.
[13:56] <kjackal_> EdS: it should look like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25732311/
[13:57] <EdS> oh wow :)
[13:57] <EdS> ok will give that a shot.
[13:57] <EdS> Cory, two seconds. :)
[13:59] <EdS> cory_fu: I have a feeling that I was running into several things at once. I'm hunting a few tickets
[14:01] <EdS> first one; too many machines used, so it ran out of machines to provision
[14:03] <EdS> like this: https://github.com/conjure-up/spells/issues/67
[14:03] <EdS> except our scenario was less extreme than 4->18
[14:03] <cory_fu> We just had a discussion yesterday about having Juju do better about verifying MAAS / cloud limits / availability early on.  :/
[14:03] <EdS> thanks so much for your help kjackal, that had eluded me for ages
[14:04] <EdS> lol yeah, might help me out. I unpacked a lot of extra machines trying to get around this
[14:05] <EdS> but got it going in the end.
[14:06] <cory_fu> EdS: Odd.  I thought that the "too many machines" bug was resolved already.  Any chance you still have the ~/.cache/conjure-up/conjure-up.log file?
[14:06] <EdS> while you're here... can you satisfy an enquiring mind? did my conjure-up attempts store configuration that was used in a subsequent attempt with juju and a bundle file I specified myself? Or am I over thinking this?
[14:07] <EdS> This wasn't exactly in the last few days. I can go digging and see if I have it.
[14:07] <EdS> ooh lots of evidence :/
[14:08] <EdS> shall I pastebin?
[14:08] <cory_fu> EdS: Not currently.  If you don't go past the "Configure Applications" screen and click the "Deploy All" (or every individual deploy) button, nothing will get saved
[14:09] <cory_fu> Well, technically, we were planning on having a resume feature, so we might persist choices into a sqlite db in that ~/.cache/conjure-up directory, but they're never read in again
[14:09] <cory_fu> EdS: Yeah, pastebin of the log would be helpful.
[14:09] <EdS> ok, thanks, that clears up a few doubts
[14:15] <cory_fu> jam: Hey, can you confirm if a unit's IP address changes due to DHCP whether Juju would trigger a config-changed hook?
[14:15] <EdS> my conjure-up log... sorry about many times I tried this... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25732388/
[14:16] <jam> cory_fu: so we trigger config-changed on startup anyway, but I'm not 100% sure about where we ended up from auto-populating private-address with new values because of charms that override the value. (openstack charms used to set the VIP instead of their personal addresses)
[14:16] <jam> that said, if a live machine changes its IP address, I think we'll notice within 10 minutes or so, I'm not sure if that immediately triggers a config-changed.
[14:30] <cory_fu> EdS: From that log, it looks like you might have had several successful runs.  Did any of those actually succeed or did they get stuck?
[14:31] <EdS> It always got stuck, but that may have been because of various external things.
[14:31] <EdS> cory_fu: I was setting up MAAS, juju and reading lots.
[14:35] <cory_fu> EdS: Odd.  If it got stuck deploying, I would have expected to see log messages about 00-deploy_done failing
[14:36] <EdS> cory_fu & kjackal: :D thanks so much - that has straightened a lot out in my head!
[14:37] <EdS> it's entirely possible I have cleared out the log of the failed runs, but it never felt like I truly succeeded with conjure up
[14:40] <cory_fu> EdS: I do see some failures in there related to the connection to the controller failing.  That seems plausible if the machines were provisioned and not released.
[14:42] <cory_fu> EdS: You asked about it saving info; as I mentioned, there shouldn't be any persistent effects if you stop before the deploy, but from the log, it looks like you went that far a few times.  Obviously, you'd have to clean up any provisioned machines or anything else that Juju or conjure-up claimed in MAAS
[14:46] <EdS> cory_fu: yeah. I managed those bits. I think the difference between doing it with conjure-up and juju tricked me into thinking I'd get a similar opportunity to tweak the settings. When juju + maas worked it was all up, but now I realise with defaults, not any leftover config.
[14:47] <EdS> cory_fu: I think as I'm at the early stages of this setup, I'll tear it all down and try to get the settings I wanted :)
[15:12] <cory_fu> EdS: Ok.  If you end up trying conjure-up again with any MAAS issues sorted out and have any issues again, let me or stokachu know.  We're travelling, so might not respond right away, but we'd like to sort out any bugs you might run in to.
[15:13] <cory_fu> But Juju direct is also entirely viable and should be just as configurable, even if it might not be presented as nicely.  (At the end of the day, conjure-up is just calling out to Juju, after all.)
[15:14] <EdS> cory_fu: superb, thanks you. I'm just setting off from the start again with juju + the bundle. I think personally, the yaml is fine for me. Enjoy your travels.
[17:57] <BarDweller> Hiya.. I know I had this working before.. but then I wiped that box & started again.. I'm trying to have my kubernetes (loaded via conjure-up) to use my docker registry (running on the host that did conjure up) .. I thought I used juju run-action registry to make this work before, but that seems to be for secured registries, and mine is unsecured..
[17:57] <BarDweller> I found https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/11/private-docker-registries-and-the-canonical-distribution-of-kubernetes/  which hints I need to set a config key .. which I think is now 'docker-opts' not 'docker-config' as in the article.
[17:57] <EdS> how's the config here look? https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/11/private-docker-registries-and-the-canonical-distribution-of-kubernetes/
[17:58] <EdS> Tim passed me the link here the other day :)
[17:58] <BarDweller> yeah.. thats the link I just pasted right ? ;p
[17:58] <EdS> oh haha sorry
[17:59] <EdS> docker-opts sounds familiar from recent docker versions
[17:59] <BarDweller> anyways.. I've done "juju config kubernetes-worker docker-opts="--insecure-registry 192.168.1.xx:2375" .. do I also need to do the juju run-action registry step ?
[18:00] <BarDweller> (because atm, if I have an image: tag in my yml for 192.168.1.xx/myimage:latest it complains getsockopt connection refused)
[18:00] <EdS> not if you've already got the registry, it sounds like you have.
[18:00] <BarDweller> I have a registry running at 192.168.1.xx :2375 that I can talk to, push images to, run containers on etc
[18:01] <BarDweller> seems tho that my worker node can't talk to it.. I'm missing something.
[18:01] <EdS> yeah. don't deploy a registry with juju run action then :)
[18:02] <EdS> is your registry in the same subnet as nodes?
[18:03] <tvansteenburgh> BarDweller: i would juju ssh to the node and try a docker pull from there, and see what that tells you
[18:03] <tvansteenburgh> sounds like a networking issue
[18:03] <BarDweller> good plan..
[18:04] <BarDweller> juju ssh kubernetes-worker/0    .. and then `docker images` is showing me a different docker registry..  but from that env I can ping my other one ok.. lemme see if I change DOCKER_HOST if I can talk to my other reg from that shell
[18:05] <BarDweller> yep
[18:05] <BarDweller> so the kubernetes-worker/0 is capable of reaching my docker registry, and can talk to it.. but seems configured to use a different registry
[18:06] <BarDweller> hmm.. do I need to do something after the juju config that tells the worker to use my registry? (restart the worker or sommat?)
[18:06] <tvansteenburgh> juju config kubernetes-worker - do the docker-opts have the correct registry in that output?
[18:07] <tvansteenburgh> BarDweller: when you set it via config, the charm should do everything for you
[18:07] <tvansteenburgh> if it's not, that's a bug
[18:09] <BarDweller> yes, juju config kubernetes-worker shows the options I put in docker-opts (--insecure-registry 192.168.1.xx:2375)
[18:10] <BarDweller> anyway I can kick it to tell it to read it ?
[18:10] <BarDweller> hmm.. wait up
[18:11] <BarDweller> vagrant ssh in the kubernetes-worker/0 then docker info shows my registry listed in there.. digging further
[18:19] <EdS> hmm. I have torn down my canonical-kubernetes setup to rebuild with a different service-cidr. This is now stuck waiting with flannel blocked :/
[18:19] <EdS> I think I will try again, I have noticed the 1.7->1.8 version bump.
[18:26] <BarDweller> yeah.. there's something odd here.. it's not a network issue, it's a docker config issue.. I'm trying variants atm
[18:27] <BarDweller> mebbe it'd be easier if I just started using the registry from the juju charm ?
[18:28] <tvansteenburgh> BarDweller: if you're just playing around that's fine but it's not a production setup
[18:28] <BarDweller> yeah.. this isn't for prod, it's for local dev
[18:29] <BarDweller> I just need a way to push custom images that I can load into the kube =)
[18:32] <EdS> for production systems, used only internally within our company, would you consider it ok to run a registry pod/service with images stored in an nfs PV?
[18:33] <EdS> I'm not sure we need or want to give docker-registry a server of it's own. It seems overkill for us.
[18:37] <tvansteenburgh> BarDweller: gotcha. i'm still keen to figure out what the issue is so we can fix it if we need to
[18:37] <tvansteenburgh> Eds: yes - the helm chart in that blog post is great for that
[18:38] <BarDweller> yeah.. I'm still digging.. I'm not entirely sure I've got everything lined up right
[18:39] <EdS> tvansteenburgh: thank you :)
[18:40] <BarDweller> I know if I do `juju ssh kubernetes-worker/0` and then do `export DOCKER_HOST=192.168.1.xx:2375` and then do `docker images` that I can see my expected images
[18:40] <BarDweller> so I know my docker is up, and reachable by the worker node.
[18:41] <tvansteenburgh> BarDweller: okay, that's good feedback - we can try to reproduce
[18:41] <BarDweller> so then I do `unset DOCKER_HOST` and then `docker info` and I note at the bottom it lists "Insecure Registries: 192.168.1.xx:2375"
[18:42] <tvansteenburgh> hmm
[18:42] <BarDweller> and then I try 'docker pull 192.168.1.xx:2375/my-image:latest` and it says error image not found.
[18:43] <BarDweller> which is an improvement from before.. where it was saying getsockopts conn refused.
[18:43] <tvansteenburgh> BarDweller: would you mind filing a bug with this info here: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-canonical-kubernetes/issues/new
[18:44] <BarDweller> I had this working a few weeks back.. I have the kube yamls that say so.. but I wiped the host I'd done the magic to add the registry on.. and failed to add what I did to my vagrantfile =)
[18:45] <BarDweller> mebbe my registry isn't the right thing
[18:45] <knobby> I assume your docker images when you set the DOCKER_HOST shows my-image.
[18:46] <knobby> I use an insecure registry hosted outside k8s and all I had to do was add that option
[18:46] <BarDweller> I'm seeing people saying they can do things like http://ip:port/v2/_catalog to see images.. mine doesn't seem to like that just gives back "{"message":"page not found"}
[18:46] <knobby> docker pull 192.168.1.xx/image_name just works
[18:46] <knobby> are you running a version 1 registry?
[18:46] <BarDweller> yes, if I set my DOCKER_HOST to be 192.168.1.xx then docker images will show my-image
[18:46] <BarDweller> checking..
[18:47] <BarDweller> apparently I'm running 17.09.0-ce, api version 1.32 (min ver 1.12) build date sep 26 2017
[18:48] <BarDweller> (from docker version while docker host is set)
[18:48] <BarDweller> I wonder if I don't have a docker registry, I just have a docker server.. #noobquestion is there a difference ?
[18:49] <knobby> BarDweller: how are you running it? the docker registry is a docker container named registry
[18:49] <knobby> I'm running registry:2 for example
[18:50] <knobby> with DOCKER_HOST working it sounds like you're using a docker daemon instead of a registry
[18:50] <BarDweller> loosely .. apt-get install -y docker-ce socat .. then update dockerd options to pass -H tcp://<IP_ADDRESS>:2375
[18:50] <BarDweller> yes, that's the realisation I'm coming to (re daemon vs registry)
[18:51] <knobby> ah, yep. a registry is typically on port 5000 and is run via something like `docker run -p 5000:5000 registry:2
[18:51] <BarDweller> ok.. so should I change my original question to.. is there a way to have my kube-worker pull an image from my docker-daemon ?
[18:53] <knobby> BarDweller: I would think it would be easier to crank up a registry myself.
[18:54] <knobby> BarDweller: docker run -p 5000:5000 -e REGISTRY_STORAGE_FILESYSTEM_ROOTDIRECTORY=/var/lib/registry -v /my/registry/volume:/var/lib/registry registry:2
[18:54] <knobby> BarDweller: something like that would do it
[18:55] <BarDweller> hehe.. sounds like an idea.. I'll have a bash
[18:56] <BarDweller> although you'd kinda think by this point I should just use the juju docker-registry charm
[18:57] <knobby> BarDweller: if you have a machine for juju to snap up for it, sure. For me, I'm using bare metal and didn't want to waste resources on something that is used so infrequently. I also was able to put it on the nfs server, so file io was local
[18:58] <BarDweller> I have all this inside a vagrant vm.. so it really doesn't make too much difference.. at the mo the vm is running the dockerd .. I'll try deploying a registry first, because that might integrate easier
[18:58] <knobby> BarDweller: sounds like a good idea
[19:14] <BarDweller> ouch.. I think I figured this out =)
[19:17] <BarDweller> so to have docker client talk to an insecure registry, you add the --insecure-registry option to the dockerd, (or use daemon.json) however, if the docker you are using is remote, you do it to _that_ docker .. which is awesome in my case, because it means the clients of my vm wont need to care
[19:29] <BarDweller> cool.. my image came up finally inside kube =) thanks for the assist =)
[19:36] <knobby> BarDweller: glad to hear you go it going!
[19:39] <BarDweller> yep.. I think before I had used the juju charm to deploy a registry.. but it's not clear to me how I ever had that working, because I never configured anything beyond 'domain'  and set ingress =true .. I never had all the insecure-registry stuff before
[19:40] <BarDweller> anyways.. updated vagrantfile to not do that, and instead use juju config to add the insecure registry bit for the registry launched onto the docker daemon as part of the provisioning
[19:53] <skay> I'm seeing "Too many arguments." during config-changed, and I can't figure out where it's coming from
[19:53] <skay> I've grepped all of the juju code base
[19:56] <EdS> is that bash's too many arguments?
[19:57] <EdS> is something being expanded to a long list, eg ls * in a folder with many thousands of files will trigger that, IIRC
[20:00] <skay> hmm, I'll have to dig around to see if anything like that is happening
[20:05] <EdS> that was off the top of my head, sorry if I'm way off the mark!
[20:09] <skay> :)


[14:44] <teward> who manages teh -quality list now?
[15:23] <hggdh> teward: moderated
[15:24] <hggdh> hggdh: as far as I know (and will check later) ballons, bdmurray, jibel, and myself)
[15:25] <teward> thanks.  spads told me in canonical-sa you were one of the moderators heh
[15:25] <teward> Saw that you saw my email as well :)
[15:30] <hggdh> :-)
[15:30] <hggdh> slow today, got mesself a headache, prolly allergies
[15:31] <hggdh> teward: also, if you go to the home page of any list, the admins are usually listed at the bottom
[15:32] <hggdh> e.g., https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
[15:32]  * hggdh remembers that this does not apply (yet) to a few of the lists, and will make sure it does apply from now on
[15:33] <hggdh> I mean, the lists I co-administer
[15:49] <teward> ah
[15:49] <teward> hggdh: good to know though thanks


[00:01] <Urk> sarnold:  It didn't work.  This is what I got on my screen https://paste.debian.net/1239137/
[00:01] <Urk> sarnold:  I am getting some functionality with Chrome, but Firefox needs to be killed.
[00:01] <leftyfb> reboot
[00:02] <Urk> leftyfb:  I was able to get firefox killed, and the problem has resolved.
[00:02] <Urk> Don't need to reboot.
[00:02] <sarnold> Urk: rofl
[00:02] <Urk> What is rofl?
[00:07] <ravage> Urk, what about a simple reboot?
[00:07] <ravage> kill -9 `pgrep firefox`
[00:07] <jcassey[m]> rolling on the floor laughing
[00:07] <ravage> should terminate firefox
[00:09] <Urk> I just ended up running the killall firefox command, and that fixed it.
[00:09] <waltman> Hi all. Just wondering if there's any update on when the issue upgrading from 21.10 to 22.04 will be fixed? (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668)
[00:10] <Urk> ravage:  Usually you don't need to reboot to kill running processes.
[00:34] <kryten> waltman: It seems LP bug 1969162 is the reason why the availability of the upgrade was delayed, so it should be made possible soon.
[00:36] <waltman> kryten: Cool, thanks!
[01:23] <linsux> is it okay to remove snap-firefox and snapd, and install firefox from firefox website of firefox.deb?
[01:24] <linsux> will i be blamed if i use firefox.deb instead of firefox.snap
[01:24] <leftyfb> linsux: it's unsupported here
[01:24] <linsux> firefox.deb?
[01:24] <leftyfb> correct
[01:24] <leftyfb> linsux: there should be little to no reason for not using the snap
[01:25] <linsux> snap taking up space
[01:25] <linsux> i prefer flatpak over snap
[01:25] <linsux> if i had to
[01:27] <leftyfb> linsux: the firefox snap takes up 291M
[01:35] <leftyfb> I have no need to ever install a flatpak, but I can tell you since flatpak is essentially the same thing, it's going to be just as big, if not bigger, be less secure with less performance and not supported here
[01:47] <eelstrebor> why doesn't do-release-upgrade work to upgrade to 22.04?
[01:47] <leftyfb> !ltsupgrade | eelstrebor
[01:48] <eelstrebor> thanks
[04:01] <yates_home> what's the debian channel name?
[04:03] <mybalzitch> #debian ?
[05:27] <Jasonwiz> hello guys
[06:45] <en11gma> by using ubuntu 22.04 do we have to use snaps? i dont really care for that stuff. i like to build my own packages sometimes and i never liked snaps. with my experience they never work as good as non-snaps. so with 22.04 we have to use snaps? i followed a remove snap stuff for 22.04 but then i went to reinstall my web browser but both firefox and chromium are both snaps. cant we pick non-snap
[06:45] <en11gma> packages at least?
[06:46] <en11gma> it reinstalled the snap firfox when i thought i disabled snap service from ever being used but i guess that didnt happen because it just re-installed snap again
[06:47] <alkisg> en11gma: see last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1962021
[06:47] <ksy> arch is better
[06:47] <thingfish> en11gma: there is a way to get the non-snap Firefox.
[06:47] <Bashing-om> en11gma: Yeah - there is a .deb PPA for FF - and I use slimjet as a chromium spin.
[06:48] <en11gma> yea but i seen chromium was the same also. is this going to be the way it is from now on with all packages that are super poplular espicially
[06:48] <thingfish> one kind of wonders, though, if this is the right distro for people not wanting snaps.
[06:48] <en11gma> i def do not want snaps
[06:49] <guiverc> en11gma, you don't have to use snaps if you don't want to... snaps do have benefits (security for browsers) but you're not forced to use them
[06:49] <en11gma> that sucks if this is true
[06:49] <Tacoder> you can actually remove em
[06:49] <Tacoder> just get the list of which ones are installed
[06:49] <en11gma> i did remove them per this tutorial. https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-disable-firefox-snap-package-in-ubuntu-22-04-lts/#:~:text=Look%20through%20the%20list%20of,Ubuntu%2022.04%20LTS%20computer%20system.
[06:50] <en11gma> i did it exactly like the tut
[06:51] <en11gma> if you put this in google its the first link "ubuntu 22.04 remove snap"
[06:51] <Tacoder> that tutorial only gets rid of FF
[06:52] <Tacoder> if you issue the command "snap list" you will see which ones are installed
[06:52] <en11gma> that tutorial gets rid of every snap package and snap and creates a text file to perm disable snap. i thought but as soon as i run 'sudo apt install firefox' it reinstalled snap
[06:53] <en11gma> 1 sec i think i gave wrong link
[06:53] <en11gma> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/remove-snap-block-ubuntu-2204/
[06:53] <en11gma> sorry about that. thats the guide to remove snap
[06:53] <en11gma> and the default snap packages for 22.04
[06:54] <Tacoder> oh thats way better but theres files asociated with snap that you may want to get rid of
[06:54] <Tacoder> and block snap from comming back
[06:54] <Tacoder> but thats a good start
[06:54] <en11gma> brb. toddler
[07:00] <en11gma> he loves bob the train chocolate lane.
[07:01] <en11gma> so what happens when you come across a package that says only snap when you do a 'apt search'? it dont show an alternate way to install it and instead of not installing it re-installs snap
[07:02] <en11gma> just like chromium and firefox. i cannot believe those do not have alternate option. like when you remove snap and i do a apt search it should not show results at all for snap packages
[07:02] <Tacoder> yes that will happen
[07:02] <en11gma> whats going on here? :) i thought you could only install snap packages from the snap store
[07:03] <Tacoder> it can actually happen when you do apt update xD
[07:03] <en11gma> snap got incorporated with apt?
[07:03] <en11gma> oh noooo
[07:03] <Tacoder> thats what happened to me when got rid of FF the first time
[07:03] <en11gma> oh so thats not normal behavior. thank-god
[07:05] <guiverc> It's my understanding you can put a hold that prevents snap from installing; but that will prevent some Ubuntu features too (eg. it may prevent you from release-upgrading when that's due; more of a problem if you forget what holds you placed on your system for example..)
[07:06] <Tacoder> indeed guiverc
[07:06] <Tacoder> and prevent gnome also from getting patches
[07:07] <Tacoder> snap is deeply tied to ubuntu on its core
[07:07] <guiverc> I mostly use flavors, where it's not key  (Ubuntu-MATE is one flavor that benefits from snap)
[07:07] <Tacoder> BUT! you can actually get rid of snap and replace it for flatpak if you feel more inclined to it
[07:08] <Tacoder> or if you want to put extra effort you can actually replace everything for good ol fashioned packages
[07:08] <Tacoder> but updating manually from time to time
[07:09] <Tacoder> ubuntu mate has the welcome app and store running as uncontained snaps
[07:09] <Tacoder> they highly benefit from the changes on the snap images
[07:09] <Tacoder> i agree
[07:10] <Tacoder> omg 2am i have to catch some rest bye bye
[07:10] <en11gma> oh no
[07:10] <en11gma> thanks for the info Tacoder
[07:12] <Tacoder> you are welcome i was able to tell you about it because i actually got rid of snap myself xD and created a few block scripts here and there to block it from a stealthy reaturn
[07:12] <Tacoder> and installed flatpack and appimage instead
[07:12] <Tacoder> good night
[08:27] <bj0rn> ive been away from irc so long i didnt even know about the freenode debacle
[08:27] <bj0rn> anyway im trying to set up a sort of kiosk type system with ubuntu desktop
[08:28] <ogra> bj0rn, a simple browser kiosk ?
[08:28] <bj0rn> and i was wondering how to set up gdm's autologin to keep logging in if the session ends for whatever reason
[08:31] <ogra> bj0rn, theer sia dedicated system (admittedly more used in professional environments like digital signage, PoS systems and machine IUs but works also well for non professional use) see: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/secure-ubuntu-kiosk
[08:32] <ogra> *there is a
[08:46] <fdai5969> e
[08:47] <confuseus> i have installed ubuntu 22.04 but i am having this annoying thing with chromium. it appears to "disappear or ghost" its open status from the dock time and again. see that here https://imgur.com/a/wg70lbV is open but it does not have a dot showing that it is open (like firefox which is also open).
[08:52] <gordonjcp> confuseus: yes, and then when you click on it, it opens a new window instead of bringing the old ones to the foreground?  Occasionally I'm getting that with Firefox too
[08:52] <gordonjcp> confuseus: I haven't a solution for it, it's just you're not the only one seeing it
[08:53] <confuseus> gordonjcp: yes. exactly
[08:53] <gordonjcp> confuseus: it was doing it and now it is not doing it, either an update fixed it or it got confused about something, no idea
[08:54] <ogra> confuseus, there is a snapd feature missing in 22.04 (that will come the next weeks) which stops snapd from upgrading running apps ... you can enable it manually though to prevent your browser from being updated in the background
[08:55] <ogra> confuseus, "sudo snap set core experimental.refresh-app-awareness=true" ... then you get a notification instead of a silent upgrade which can make the browser crash
[08:55] <gordonjcp> ogra: I wonder if that's what the issue was, it might have seen "old" firefox and not realised it was not a different app
[08:57] <ogra> gordonjcp, it is a known issue (and is the reason why that option was implemented, it was just not ready by release day but will land soon)
[08:59] <confuseus> ogra: ok. does that mean it is upgrading when it removes the status from the dock? in my experience, it never shows  the online status unless i close it and open it again. i just want to be able to see open apps on the doc. otherwise, i feel it might be doing something sinister behind the background
[09:00] <ogra> confuseus, the icon in the dock "blinks" when the new icon is installed with an upgrade ...
[09:01] <gordonjcp> ogra: makes sense, good to know it's a known thing and it's not a big deal really
[09:01] <ogra> (old icon goes away, new icon is put in place, that makes it disappear for a split second)
[09:03] <confuseus> ogra: in my case, the app icon is showing on the dock but the "dot" on the left of it that shows that it is "open" is not.
[09:03] <ogra> confuseus, h, perhaps your machine is faster or the new gnome is compensating the flashing somehow
[09:03] <gordonjcp> confuseus: if you close and reopen Chromium it'll probably come back
[09:05] <confuseus> yes it will but every time it  disappears i will have to close it and open it again for the status to show. that does not sound right.
[09:05] <ogra> confuseus, wll, just run the comamnd i gave above and see if it gets better
[09:07] <confuseus> thanks, i will.
[09:15] <ogra> confuseus, oh and btw "snap changes" (and for details "snap change <ID>") is helpful to see if there was actually an update recently
[09:20] <confuseus> yes. there was an auto refresh  for it sometime today.
[09:27] <bj0rn> im reading about how to use ubuntu frame
[09:27] <bj0rn> how can i set up a graphical snap to run automatically as a kiosk with ubuntu frame
[09:27] <bj0rn> one that isnt already a kiosk snap
[09:28] <bj0rn> i was wanting to try to install the retroarch snap as a kiosk and have it run automatically on boot
[09:29] <bj0rn> theres a tutorial on how to turn a regular native application into a snap but this one is already a snap so can i just like modify it to run as a daemon or whatever?
[09:58] <ogra> bj0rn, ah, if it is a desktop app there is indeed some re-packing needed .... looks like the snap source is at https://github.com/libretro/retroarch-snap
[09:59] <ogra> so you can just base on this, modify it and use the snapcraft snap to build it ...
[10:01] <bj0rn> another question i have, which is kind of a dumb one, is if i want to run ubuntu core on just a plain old x86-64 pc, how do i install it
[10:01] <bj0rn> because im trying to use the core image with rufus on a usb drive but i cant get it to boot
[10:02] <ogra>  normally yuo'd just use dd to write it to the usb drive ... to install to an internal disk i'd bot a live image and dd the core image from there to the internal disk
[10:02] <ogra> (god, my typing is awful today)
[10:02] <bj0rn> i acnt just boot from the usb drive and install it that way
[10:02] <bj0rn> ?
[10:03] <ogra> there is no installer (yet) as i said above, Core is mortly used in professional environments where you have factory imaging processes and such
[10:03] <ogra> *mostly
[10:03] <bj0rn> ah well i guess screw that, ill just use server for what i want to do
[10:04] <ogra> you can use ubuntu-frame on server too ...
[10:04] <bj0rn> yeah thats what i mean
[10:04] <ogra> (there are tutorials for this as well i think)
[10:04] <bj0rn> basically im just trying to turn an old optiplex mini pc into an emulation console
[10:05] <ogra> yeah, i got that by now 🙂
[10:05] <bj0rn> and the popular way of doing this is with lakka but i think lakka is terrible personally and running games/emulators as root without sandboxing is a dumb idea
[10:10] <LIV|milkshake> Hello after certain updates, I can no longer paste/move/open steam games in other partition apart from /home .
[10:10] <ogra> bj0rn, if oyu are into such stuff you might enjoy this https://diode.zone/w/vLDQ8PU16gDYsDSfwqJGug ... :)
[10:11] <LIV|milkshake> a steam said something about disk write error, and a XDM (download manager) said cannot append files once finish downloaded
[10:11] <ogra> LIV|milkshake, sunds like your disk is full ?
[10:11] <LIV|milkshake> Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS here
[10:12] <LIV|milkshake> ogra: no, /dev/sda2 has 300GB free space left
[10:12] <bj0rn> well if i have ubuntu-frame running as a daemon and its running at startup, how can i make a gui application run in that
[10:13] <ogra> bj0rn, snap it ... ther are tutorials how to turn a packaged desktop app into a kiosk one for ubuntu-frame
[10:13] <ogra> (when you follow the tutorials the app should run as a daemon and use ubuntu-frame for displaying)
[10:15] <zibolo> Hello all, I want to install ubuntu on an existing BTRFS parition encrypted with LUKS. I can not format the BTRFS partition. Is it sufficient to manually unlock the partition before launchin the installer (and then proceed with manual parititioning)?
[10:16] <bj0rn> how do i unpack an existing snap and change the yaml file
[10:16] <bj0rn> i cant find any documentation on how to do that
[10:16] <bj0rn> in fact im finding very little documentation about how to do anything with snap using google
[10:16] <bj0rn> or ubuntu core
[10:23] <LIV|milkshake> ogra: perhaps something to look for in this? "/dev/sda2 on /media/adik/New Volume type fuseblk (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[10:33] <Jasonwiz> hello guys
[10:35] <imi> hi, I have an email with a html attachment. when I try to open that file from thunderbird with firefox it doesn't work (it's obviously a snap related issue, snap packagaes doesn't use the regular /tmp from rootfs) how do I fix this? Or how do I report this?
[10:35] <ogra> bj0rn, try https://discourse.ubuntu.com/tag/ubuntu-frame
[10:37] <imi> also I like to save files from firefox to /tmp
[11:00] <ogra> imi, for security reasons snaps use their own confined /tmp ... i think firefox uses ~/Downloads/firefox.tmp as shared one though ... perhaps you can point things there
[11:03] <ogra> imi, to report bugs for the FF or TB snaps check the contact url in "snap info firefox" (or "snap info thunderbird")
[11:07] <imi> well, I want this to be fixed
[11:07] <imi> it's a usability issue
[11:08] <imi> I click open this attachment and it says file not found
[11:09] <ogra> right, either file it on one of the bugtrackers or open a topic at https://forum.snapcraft.io since this is by design it might need a more in-depth discussion (adding a file share interface that both snaps could connect to or some such)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:30] <bj0rn> alright so back to the original question i asked before getting sidetracked into snaps and all that nonsense
[11:30] <bj0rn> is there a way to make gdm autologin after logging out
[11:31] <bj0rn> i have autologin enabled but it only autologins once
[11:31] <bj0rn> if the session ends its back to the login screen
[11:32] <bj0rn> how do i make it always autologin
[11:57] <WeeBey> Hello frens. I have a ubuntu server vps and I'm trying to disable the root account. I made an admin account. Can sudo just fine. I use ssh keys to log in and passwords are disabled on ssh. I tried permitrootlogin no and I can still log in as root. I tried changing the root passwd to * and I can still log in. I did restart ssh. Any better tips?
[11:59] <WeeBey> Should I just change the root's shell?
[11:59] <ogra> try: sudo passwd -l root
[12:01] <WeeBey> ogra, oh I tried that too. I was still able to log in through ssh. I don't imagine I need to restart the system or a service?
[12:01] <ogra> WeeBey, no, that shuld actually disable roots password completely
[12:01] <WeeBey> let me try again.
[12:02] <WeeBey> It still works. I received this after running it: passwd: password expiry information changed.
[12:02] <ogra> (and you should see an exclamation mark in the second field (password) of roots account in /etc/shadow)
[12:03] <WeeBey> ogra, i still see my long hash.
[12:03] <WeeBey> Strange.
[12:03] <ogra> WeeBey, hmm, try sudo passwd -dl root then
[12:04] <ogra> (-d is delete)
[12:04] <ogra> (and -l is lock)
[12:04] <WeeBey> :-) I was just looking it up in the man.
[12:05] <WeeBey> It still works!
[12:06] <WeeBey> but now I do see the root password changed to !
[12:06] <WeeBey> It must be cos I had set up ssh keys for root
[12:06] <ogra> oh, yeah ... drop them indeed
[12:07] <WeeBey> How do I do this? I'm a bit newbie at this. To set them up, I passed them from my local computer
[12:08] <ogra> they should be somewhere in /root/.ssh
[12:08] <ogra> you look for "authorized_keys" IIRC
[12:09] <WeeBey> Ah, yes. Ok. Simple enough. I had done that once.
[12:09] <ogra> but i guess yu could also just remove the whole dir as well ...
[12:09] <WeeBey> Ok, so now ssh prompts for a root password. However, it has no password. And ssh doesn't allow root login. So One can never enter, right?
[12:09] <ogra> yeah
[12:10] <WeeBey> Ah ok. I thought it would just give a "no account found" type of thing. So this does not reduce the noise in bot login attempts, but they can't succeed.
[12:11] <WeeBey> Cool. +1 admin xp for me! Thank you ogra :-)
[12:11] <ogra> if you did set "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restart the sshd service it should not ask for  a password
[12:12] <WeeBey> oh. ok, strange. i'll double check.
[12:12] <WeeBey> doh.
[12:12] <WeeBey> i added it in ssh_config
[12:12] <ogra> heh, common mistake 🙂
[12:13] <WeeBey> no wonder. I changed the port as a way to reduce noise and it was still on22. lol
[12:13] <ogra> hah
[12:14] <rud0lf> WeeBey: check out ssh tarpit :)
[12:14] <rud0lf> it's easy to google it out
[12:14] <ogra> you will likely still get connection attempts that fill your auth.log though ... install fail2ban to reject locations that do this extensively
[12:15] <ravage> for ssh its really "sudo apt install fail2ban" and you are done :)
[12:15] <WeeBey> Oh cool! That's awesome.
[12:16] <WeeBey> I'm running a vps to learn to secure things a bit better. So this is great. Thank you ogra and rud0lf and ravage.
[12:16] <rud0lf> i think he needs to tweak fail2ban config if port is different than default
[12:16] <WeeBey> ogra, I get permission denied (publickey) now. yay.
[12:16] <ogra> great !
[12:16] <ravage> i dont think he changed any port. he would not get that many attempts then
[12:16]  * WeeBey hax0rman
[12:17] <WeeBey> no, not yet. I had tried and did it on ssh_config then set it back. I realize now that both changes did nothing. haha.
[12:19] <WeeBey> Another question, perhaps, if you have the patience. I only access this vm on SSH. But it's running Server 18.04.6 LTS. I could do a release upgrade, but It warns me that I'm on SSH. How concerned should I be about upgrading?
[12:19] <Vuurdraak> Q: I just installed Ubuntu 22.04, does this version automaticly detect there is an UPS, (I have not installed the UPS software yet) or is the 100% batery just there anyway and only ment for laptops ?.?
[12:20] <Vuurdraak> And another question i'm missing "create link" in nautilus when right clicking on a folder/file, is there an option to turn this on somewhere  or do i need to manulay cli make them ?
[12:22] <WeeBey> Vuurdraak, link is missing? weird. You can try holding alt when you drag, but I realize that's not your question.
[12:23] <Vuurdraak> oww alt drag and then say make a link
[12:23] <Vuurdraak> sad that i need to open two windows first for that, but that at least saves me from going to the CLI ty
[12:24] <WeeBey> maybe alt + right click gives you create link? I haven't tried.
[12:25] <Vuurdraak> no i dont see that option
[12:26] <Vuurdraak> I also need to recreate the empty document trick, to be able to make a new empty text file, as that was cut out of 18.04 :')
[12:26] <Vuurdraak> I hate it's not there, as I use txt files a quick notes on my desktop for instance
[12:28] <WeeBey> I use $touch file.txt but, yeah, I guess it's not on the file browser.
[12:29] <Vuurdraak> found it already :) -> touch ~/Templates/Empty\ Document
[12:34] <Vuurdraak> brb need to test something
[12:37] <jhek> Is there a parallel version of locale-gen? It seems like a job that would parallelize wonderfully, and it's quite frustrating to wait for localegen when doing apt-get upgrade I did find an old ticket in Arch Linux' bug tracker but I'm not sure if it their proposed version is out there (https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/36955)
[12:39] <ravage> what about configuring only the locales you need? i use 2
[12:46] <Vuurdraak> Interesting in Ubuntu 18.04 (which is in legacy mode) grub finds memtest86+ & windows 10 & the freshly installed Ubuntu 22.04 (UEFI) but grub in Ubuntu 22.04 only sees both Ubuntu's but not memtest or windows
[12:47] <jhek> ravage: Yes, that's true, unfortunately we need a few for various reasons. Although even if you only had two, a parallel version would still cut waiting times by a theoretical upper bound of 50% :)
[12:47] <ioria> Vuurdraak, os_probe is disabled on 22.04
[12:48] <Vuurdraak> oke ?.? so I need tell grub in 22 something extra to probe ?
[12:48] <ioria> Vuurdraak, try GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub
[12:49] <Vuurdraak> @ioria, thank you
[12:49] <ioria> Vuurdraak, and run sudo update-grub
[12:50] <Vuurdraak> booting to 22
[12:52] <ioria> jhek, well, that implementation does the same thing (remove old locale dir and locale-archive before generating new ones)
[12:57] <jhek> ioria: It would seem that Gentoo does also have a version which can generate the locales in parallel: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/locale-gen.git/tree/locale-gen
[12:59] <Vuurdraak> Dispite it saying this: Warning: os-prober will be executed to detect other bootable partitions.... It doesn't find Windows interesting , I'm not sure if Windows 10 is in UEFI mode by default, but installed before there was an UEFI partition as demanded by Ubuntu 22.04 when I installed that in UEFI mode, and it ignores windows now ?
[13:00] <Vuurdraak> I can switch what drive grub needs to start from and get windows back though
[13:00] <Vuurdraak> by using the Ubuntu 18.04grub
[13:02] <Vuurdraak> It's also funny how memtest86+ is recognized but it's refused from grub, I guess the 18.04 grub is in started in legacy mode, but can boot the uefi stuff, but not the other way around (as the mobo auto switches between legacy and uefi as needed)
[13:03] <Vuurdraak> not sure though if 22.04 actualy boots from the 18.04 grub, mmm lets test
[13:03] <ravage> if windows is in uefi mode your bios will show it on the uefi boot manager as an option
[13:05] <Vuurdraak> Oke 22.04 boots from the 18.04 just fine ;')
[13:05] <Vuurdraak> 18.04 grub*
[13:15] <Vuurdraak> I have no clue what happened, but now doing an "sudo update-grub" found windows 10 ?.?
[13:16] <Vuurdraak> only extra things in between done where booting to win 10 from the 18.04 menu, and trying to install  "sudo apt install os-prober" which i was told was already there
[13:16] <Vuurdraak> no clue what just happened but now magicaly has found windows in 22.04
[13:18] <Vuurdraak> mmm booting to test what just happened
[13:22] <Vuurdraak> Mmmmaybe I didn't boot after altering etc/default/grub , and only after I booted it started to dected the other stuff ?.?
[13:23] <Vuurdraak> Even though it said it was trying to detect stuff first time, and then failed ? Ah well what ever, it's detecting everything now.
[13:23] <Vuurdraak> Thanks for the tips
[13:37] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[13:38] <Sven_vB> where can I read which bugs in xdotool will been fixed by upgrading from focal to jammy?
[13:41] <daridranath> Hello!
[13:42] <Vuurdraak> Oke I discovered whats going on, when I set the BIOS to boot from Legacy GRUB 18.04 menu on a SATA drive and boot to Ubuntu 22.04 it will detect Windows and Memtest86+ and add it to grub on my NVMe drive, but when I say to the BIOS to boot GRUB from the NVMe drive and run "sudo update-grub" it no longer detects windows and refuses memtest86+ , as if when it boots from the SATA grub it's in legacy mod4e ?.? and other wise boots in UEFI mode ?.?
[13:43] <daridranath> I need help regarding SATA use in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[13:45] <ogra> Sven_vB, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xdotool/xdotool_3.20160805.1-4/changelog ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdotoolhas the two versions to compare
[13:45] <Sven_vB> ogra, thanks!
[13:45] <daridranath> I need help regarding SATA use in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[13:45] <Vuurdraak> @daridranath, what kind of SATA use ?
[13:46] <daridranath> Lord, SATA is not working. The speed of the computer seems slow.
[13:46] <Acheron> Vuurdraak, please reference this: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[13:46] <daridranath> I think SATA is not working.
[13:47] <ogra> Sven_vB, though it looks like it has not changed since
[13:47] <Acheron> Vuurdraak, there is a fix posted.  please use that
[13:47] <ravage> if SATA is not working you cant boot the system
[13:47] <Sven_vB> ogra, yeah, I was confused by that appearance
[13:47] <daridranath> SATA is working... but ATA is enabled I think.
[13:47] <Sven_vB> ogra, at least then I know it's not worth upgrading just for that
[13:48] <Vuurdraak> @Acheron, I added that to grub but it doesnt help when booting in to 22.04 from the nvme drive
[13:49] <daridranath> I want to know how make SATA work properly in Ubuntu 20.04.
[13:49] <daridranath> I think we need to do some settings in the system.
[13:49] <ravage> darrend, Ubuntu and Linux in general can use SATA pefectly fine. Check your BIOS and make sure your drives are configured in AHCI mode.
[13:50] <daridranath> Ok... is it not like Windows?
[13:50] <Vuurdraak> @Acheron, basicly that 'fix' doesn't fix it for me, only doing trickery by using a grub created by 18.04 to boot in to 22.04 and then run sudo update-grub works somehow
[13:50] <ravage> daridranath, no Ubuntu is not like Windows
[13:51] <daridranath> Ok. Thank you.
[13:51] <Vuurdraak> @Acheron, and when then booting from that grub freshly made in 22.04, if I boot and do a update-grub again, it refushes to find windows &and refushes memtest
[13:52] <NCEric> Hey, when I triple click to highlight an entire line in a terminal and then middle click to paste it, it's like I never hit enter.  At what layer is this implemented?  It happens in the Gnome terminal as well as xterm.  Example from thrice earlier: https://i.imgur.com/79tbYI6.png
[13:52] <Vuurdraak> ah well I go take a break :)
[13:55] <Sven_vB> NCEric, which Ubuntu flavor and version? / your description reads as if indeed you never hit enter. I guess it's about copying the final newline character in that line, right? is it being copied? or just ignored on paste?
[14:05] <jhutchins> NCEric: "Enter" shouldn't be part of cut-and-paste - you should still be able to edit the text you pasted.
[14:13] <peja> I got problem with dbus upgrade during do-release-upgrade. dbus upgrade freezing whole system (waiting reboot?).
[14:15] <relipse> Hi, I'm rdc'ing into an ubuntu machine and I get a permanent Box that says "Authentication Required Authentication is required to create a color managed device" and it won't go away even after entering my password
[14:15] <relipse> also it won't let me minimize windows?
[14:16] <relipse> there is only an X not a box or a minimize button on each window
[14:17] <NCEric> jhutchins, I guess that's an opinion.  It's definitely a deviation from past behavior in the 20+ years I've been using Unix/Linux
[14:19] <NCEric> Sven_vB, it seems to copy the newline, but the terminal doesn't treat it as if I hit enter.  For instance if I run the command "echo echo hi", I'll get a line which contains "echo hi".  I triple click that to select entire line.  I then middle click to paste.  In the past it'd be as if I typed "echo hi" followed by pressing the enter key.  On 22.04 it's as if I did not press the enter key
[14:20] <Sven_vB> NCEric, modern terminals have protections against accidential execution of pasted text. probably that triggered.
[14:20] <relipse> Using Remote Desktop Connection, This is stuck on the screen: Authentication Required https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cuFRG3s4/image.png
[14:23] <ogra> NCEric, interesting, for me over the last 20y middle-click paste has never inserted an enter (and i'd freak out if it did) neither in xterm, nor in gnome-terminal
[14:24] <XATRIX> Hi, can you advice ? I have amd64 machine, no idea why was it installed. Do i have to remove packages :i386 ?
[14:24] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/WfLeapF.png
[14:24] <XATRIX> this is the list
[14:26] <ogra> relipse, is that 22.04 ? there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1969619 ...
[14:27] <relipse> ogra: 20.04
[14:27] <ogra> XATRIX, :i386 libs are still used by things like wine or some binary printer drivers that have never been moved to 64bit
[14:27] <ogra> relipse, ah, then it is not that
[14:27] <NCEric> Sven_vB, ogra you got a 20.04 VM around... 100% it'll paste the newline
[14:27] <XATRIX> ogra: so, there's no need to get rid of them?
[14:28] <ogra> XATRIX, not unless you explicitly want to ... (installing wine or whatnot would pull them back in, it wouldnt do hard to remove them but you can as well just leave them around)
[14:28] <XATRIX> I guess it should be safe to remove ? https://imgur.com/t1o82rZ.png
[14:28] <XATRIX> No other dependencies are taken into
[14:29] <ogra> yeah, i'd guess
[14:30] <XATRIX> Is it a trouble to left them on my system ? Or it's not a good idea to have :i386 arch on amd64 machine ?
[14:31] <ogra> it is no trouble ...
[14:33] <NCEric> Go here, https://bpa.st/raw/PN6A , then select all, then middle click into a terminal.  On 20.04 it executes, on 22.04 it doesn't.  I understand there are arguments either way.  I'm just trying to figure out what changed and at what layer.
[14:34] <ogra> NCEric, might be a wayland thing ... ?
[14:36] <relipse> is there a way in ubuntu 20.04 gnome to have a task bar with all open windows on it like windows has?
[14:37] <relipse> nice nick Godisgood
[14:37] <jcassey[m]> there are hundreads of addons, search for it
[14:38] <relipse> where do i search for gnome addons
[14:39] <jcassey[m]> https://extensions.gnome.org/ or use a normal search engine with the stuff u want, maybe there is a guide
[14:41] <jcassey[m]> the browser extentions for extentions makes it easier to manage addons if you're interested, used to be on mozilla/chrome store.
[14:43] <Sven_vB> NCEric, ogra, I just tested gnome-terminal on Ubuntu focal with xfce, it pastes newline with middle click
[14:43] <ogra> interesting
[14:44] <Sven_vB> for historic reference, trusty behaves the same
[14:44] <jhutchins> It may not paste a newline if you manually highlight just the text.  The newline is, after all, an invisible character that's part of the line.
[14:45] <ogra> well, 22.04 defaults to wayland for most graphics cards now ... that might handle the paste buffer differently ...
[14:45] <jhutchins> I would certainly prefer that it NOT paste a newline.
[14:45] <ogra> NCEric, check if it happens if you switch to an Xorg session on the login screen (the option should be at the bottom right)
[14:46] <relipse> does anyone understand how to install this: https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel
[14:46] <zteam> Hi all, I'm trying to troubleshoot why the adb command from my linux terminal is taking so long to respond, it literally takes about 5 minutes to connect to my Android tablet over usb, I tried anbox before, and I belive that caused the issue
[14:48] <NCEric> k... I'll log out and back in and see.
[14:49] <relipse> sweet i go tit
[14:49] <bj0rn> im having a weird issue with the timedlogin feature of gdm3
[14:50] <bj0rn> if i log out of the session and go back to the login screen, the timer runs down but nothing happens and i cant login or do anything
[14:50] <zteam> Speaking of Wayland it seemed Nvidia managed to destroy it for 22.04 as well :-/
[14:52] <NCEric> ogra, same behavior on Xorg
[14:57] <ogra> zteam, yeah, last minute request 😞 but you can pick it at the login screen with the next gdm update at least
[14:57] <ogra> NCEric, well, then it is either gnome-shell or gnome-terminal ...
[15:00] <ogra> NCEric, but since you said you see it with xterm too i'd bet for gnome-shell
[15:02] <zteam> ogra, yep I know, I did enable it myself for Ubuntu 21.10 as well, it did work but it wasn't very stable (at least for me), I was hoping those issues might have been fixed by now, but I guess not
[15:02] <ogra> zteam, i think they mostly have but there are corner cases which made nvidia ask for rolling back the default
[15:06] <zteam> ogra, drag and drop from Nautilus to gnome terminal crashes the terminal with Wayland and the bluelight filter doesn't work with Wayland either :-/
[15:07] <zteam> ogra, that's for 21.10 I haven't updated my machine to Ubuntu 22.04 yet
[15:10] <dakotakae> Hi all! I'm looking for a little help with WireGuard and NetworkManager on 22.04. I posted up a question on AskUbuntu, but figured I'd also check in here. Does anyone have experience using the WireGuard GUI plugin for NetworkManager on Jammy?
[15:11] <dakotakae> For reference, here is my AU question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404807/wireguard-management-in-network-manager-on-jammy
[15:12] <paracusia> Hello, got the problem that udp-sflow packets are silently dropped by the kernel(latest vanilla 5.17.4). We found out that they are getting dropped because the function skb_shared_check() fails - the docu says that is because of memory allocation failure - does that mean hardware? We can't find any hint for a memory defect so far
[15:12] <ogra> paracusia, probably ask in #ubuntu-kernel ... here we only support official packages
[15:13] <paracusia> thanks ogra
[15:20] <peja> Hi, my 20.04 LTS upgrade to 22.04 LTS "do-release-upgrade -d" stops at "dbus" suggest to reboot during do-release upgrade.
[15:23] <zteam> peja, did you try to reboot it then?
[15:28] <peja> zteam: yes i tryed. after reboot it's offering kernel panic.
[15:29] <zteam> peja, ouch!
[15:30] <zteam> peja, have you tried holding down shift key before it boots up and tried to boot with safe mode option or booting up an older kernel ?
[15:31] <ioria> peja, and if you cannot , you need a livecd
[15:31] <peja> zteam: it's setting up dbus, after that screen  "A reboot required to replace the running dbus-deamon". "Please reboot the system when convenient."
[15:36] <zteam> peja, you can always try press ALT+F1 and see if you can log in from the terminal, if that suceeds you could always try to use sudo apt update and after that, sudo apt full-upgrade and see if that fixes it for you
[15:37] <peja> zteam: thanks
[15:37] <zteam> peja, if not try booting an older kernel as I suggested before :-)
[15:37] <peja> zteam: trying.
[15:53] <sunbeam60> Looking for advice on bug etiquette ... should I report a bug for what I think is a missing package dependency? And if so, on Debian's tracker or Ubuntu;s?
[15:53] <jhutchins> peja: You should be able to go past that prompt and continue booting, then come back to the reboot when everything else is done.
[16:03] <leftyfb> !bug | sunbeam60
[16:03] <leftyfb> sunbeam60: start with ubuntu
[16:04] <sunbeam60> got it, will start with Ubuntu
[16:07] <Sqaure> if you have some startup thing in /etc/init.d/ but want to disable it. Whats the trick? Delete the file? But what if you want to get it back at some later point?
[16:08] <leftyfb> Sqaure: all modern ubuntu releases use systemd. You shouldn't be using init.d scripts anymore
[16:09] <Sqaure> i rock ubuntu 18.04
[16:09] <leftyfb> Sqaure: sudo systemctl disable <service name>
[16:09] <Sqaure> i uninstalled it (mongodb)
[16:09] <leftyfb> Sqaure: 18.04 uses systemd
[16:10] <leftyfb> Quack: if you uninstalled it, then the service files shouldn't be there
[16:18] <Sqaure> leftyfb, thanks
[16:50] <peja> jhutchins, zteam, ioria: It's need just waiting at "A reboot required to replace the running dbus-deamon" "Please reboot the system when convenient.".... quite long time... after that it's continues upgrade to 22.04
[16:51] <peja> jhutchins, zteam, ioria: I found this ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1968845
[16:57] <zteam> peja, so in the end it did finish the installation to get you to a working system at least ?
[17:05] <WeeBey> I'm looking at my auth.log. Just a follow up question from this morning: After disabling ssh password logins, I should see the "failed password" log entries disappear?
[17:06] <leftyfb> no
[17:07] <WeeBey> leftyfb, to clarify: failed password entries from remote ssh connections
[17:07] <leftyfb> WeeBey: you will still see failed attempts
[17:07] <matsaman> that is easily tested
[17:08] <leftyfb> WeeBey: the only way to stop seeing them is to turn off ssh
[17:08] <leftyfb> or logging (not recommended )
[17:08] <WeeBey> true. It's just cos I installed fail2ban so I don't wanna test with my current IP. :D
[17:08] <WeeBey> I could use my phone's IP, I think.
[17:09] <matsaman> well, you're going to probably want to know how to remove an IP from a ban list, invariably
[17:09] <leftyfb> you don't need to, just wait a bit. But also, fail2ban has testing
[17:10] <leftyfb> WeeBey: https://www.the-art-of-web.com/system/fail2ban-filters/   "How to test the filter"
[17:10] <WeeBey> leftyfb, I asked beause I was surprised. I implemented the recommendations from this chan this morning and I haven't seen a new entry since 08h15. And before that it was around three per minute!
[17:11] <matsaman> be careful what you wish for? =)
[17:11] <WeeBey> Haha.
[17:12] <WeeBey> Like they said in The Wire, "yeah but a good case..." "It ends, McNulty!"
[17:34] <peja> zteam: yes, it finnish upgrading and now it's working also
[17:36] <zteam> peja, happy it it sorted itself out, still not the smoothest ride in town but... :-)
[17:36] <neachdainn> I'm trying to write a script that I can use across any of the supported releases. Is there any cross-release way to have apt install the latest available version of libpython3?
[17:37] <deaconbot> hello?
[17:37] <neachdainn> I.e., `python3` in 18.04 gives 3.6 but Python3.8 doesn't exist in 22.04
[17:38] <deaconbot> I have a installation problem with Ubuntu 20.4 with a HP DL380 G5 where it states non system disk error after a successful install.
[17:38] <leftyfb> neachdainn: 22.04 uses python 3.10.4 by default
[17:39] <leftyfb> deaconbot: why install 20.04 over 22.04 which was just released?
[17:39] <deaconbot> At the time I had it on cd.
[17:40] <deaconbot> I believe my issue i with boot loader, but i am not certain.
[17:40] <leftyfb> deaconbot: that said, it sounds like your server is not properly configured to boot to the drive/volume you installed ubuntu on
[17:40] <neachdainn> leftyfb: Yes, but I'm hoping to write the script in such a way that I don't have to specialize per-release. That is, installing `python3` on 18.04 will give me python3.6 and I want Python3.8 on 18.04.
[17:40] <ioria> deaconbot, i'd check the bios menu
[17:41] <neachdainn> If it's not possible, specializing isn't the worst thing ever, I'm just hoping to be able to do it (partially for educational reasons, partially for robustness reasons)
[17:41] <leftyfb> neachdainn: ok, so write your python script that doen't rely on features not available in all the current versions of python
[17:41] <deaconbot> I did and see nothing wrong there. It has the correct boot order and drive listings.
[17:41] <neachdainn> leftyfb: That can't be done. I _need_ features that weren't supported until 3.8. Specifically initialization of an embedded interpreter
[17:42] <ioria> deaconbot, then you grub install failed the target, or something similar
[17:42] <deaconbot> I stand corrected, it is 22.04 version
[17:42] <leftyfb> neachdainn: then obviously that won't work on 3.6. Nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:42] <neachdainn> leftyfb: The process of installing the correct version of Python on Ubuntu is, arguably, related to Ubuntu
[17:43] <deaconbot> is the grub install part of the ubuntu install?
[17:43] <ioria> deaconbot, yes, but you need to specify the target
[17:44] <deaconbot> I following the prompts provided. and configured my arrays/drives prior to install. But I never seen any GRUB interface or prompts.
[17:44] <leftyfb> neachdainn: the correct version of python for ubuntu is the latest release of python available for that release of ubuntu. Write your code to support the most versions. Or don't. This really has nothing to do with ubuntu. You're going to run into the same issue with most any other linux distro
[17:44] <ogra> neachdainn, the "correct version" of python is the one in the ubuntu archve, that as been tested for 6 months and is integrated with the other packages that make up the distro
[17:45] <ioria> deaconbot, if you do a manual install, you have to
[17:45] <deaconbot> you have to...?
[17:45] <neachdainn> ogra, leftyfb: Ubuntu 18.04 has a Python3.8 package. I would like to write my script in such a way that it will install `python3.8` when run on 18.04 but install `python3` everywhere else.
[17:46] <ogra> neachdainn, why do yu want to destroy the users system ?
[17:46] <ioria> deaconbot, if you do a manual install, you have to specify the targetfor grub
[17:46] <neachdainn> If I have to add a `if $DISTRO = bionic`, I'll live. I'm just asking if there is a way to `apt install python3-latest` (or something).
[17:46] <leftyfb> neachdainn: don't do that
[17:46] <ogra> neachdainn, nope
[17:46] <neachdainn> ogra: That doesn't? The default Python remains 3.6. Also, the user is... me.
[17:46] <deaconbot> How? Is there a config file, Do I start over?, Is there a Grub installer?
[17:47] <leftyfb> neachdainn: exit with a message saying you've detected 3.8 is available and leave it up to the user
[17:47] <ioria> deaconbot, it is parte of the install process
[17:48] <deaconbot> Ok. So if it is part of the install process, How can I correct it? I have installed this several times with the same results.
[17:48] <ioria> deaconbot, you need to reinstall grub (if that is the culprit)
[17:48] <neachdainn> leftyfb: That totally eliminates the possibility of using this script in CI.
[17:48] <leftyfb> neachdainn: then install 3.8 as part of your CI
[17:49] <neachdainn> That would be the specialization I was talking about.
[17:49] <deaconbot> Can I reinstall grub separately and before the installation of Ubuntu?
[17:49] <neachdainn> I can do it, but I was hoping there is a generic "latest Python" option.
[17:49] <neachdainn> And it sounds like there isn't. So I'll just have variants of the script for each release.
[18:16] <Swahili> Q: I've got a local service running in port 3000 let's say, enabled ufw to allow 3000/tcp. Verified the status and is listed and accepts incoming. So, I open my browser and try to get server_address:3000 and the connection is refused. Seems that I'm missing something here, as I thought ufw would be enough to allow the incoming connection. Any hints? Thank you!
[18:18] <leftyfb> Swahili: disable ufw and see if you can connect
[18:18] <Swahili> leftyfb: tks for looking! not at all!
[18:18] <leftyfb> Swahili: then not a ufw issue
[18:19] <Swahili> leftyfb: the instance, is a aws instance which I requested to allow everything
[18:19] <alkisg> Are you sure the service is http?
[18:19] <Swahili> leftyfb: yeah thanks for the sanity check!
[18:19] <leftyfb> Swahili: you need to look at the AWS security groups
[18:19] <Swahili> alkisg: yes indeed
[18:19] <Swahili> leftyfb: yeh, I'll let know my team mate to double check, thanks!
[18:19] <alkisg> Another test you can do is to stop the service and run `python3 -m http.server 3000`. Then point your browser there.
[18:21] <Swahili> alkisg: what does that do?
[18:21] <Swahili> alkisg: oh I see
[18:21] <Swahili> start an http server
[18:22] <alkisg> It invokes a web server at port 3000, so that you can see if you configured ufw etc properly
[18:22] <Swahili> I have port range 3000~3005 so I'll test on 3001
[18:22] <leftyfb> Swahili: runs a service on port 3000 as opposed to relying on your service
[18:22] <alkisg> If that works, then the problem is in the service
[18:22] <leftyfb> I'm 99% sure it's AWS SG
[18:22] <Swahili> leftyfb: yeh I think its aws sg, I did requested to allow everything just to avoid to have to deal with this
[18:23] <leftyfb> Swahili: that shouldn't be the right answer either
[18:23] <howudodat> just upgraded to 22.04 and am noticing a weird issue that might be related to some kind of color profile.  All my greys are showing as pink.  in light theme, the title bar, the shadow around windows, etc.  was harder to detect in dark theme, but super obvious in light.  What's weird is I printed something with light grey watermark and it printed in pink too, so I'm pretty sure its color profile related
[18:25] <Swahili> leftyfb: alkisg yeh so the python server is not accessible publicly so definitely a aws sg, thanks for the help
[18:25] <alkisg> 👍
[18:36] <howudodat> and calibrate is greyed out to calibrate the screen (settings->color)
[18:59] <imi> hi, I'm unable to start obs studio under 22.04. it says: https://termbin.com/iyx9
[19:13] <ogra> imi, looks like that version of obs isnt capable to run on wayland ... you can log out and on the bottom right select the Xorg session instead
[19:13] <imi> ogra: most probably I don't use wayland at all (it's a default 22.04 install)
[19:15] <ogra> imi, which defaults to wayland (unless you use an nvidia card)
[19:15] <imi> ok
[19:15] <imi> and then I just installed obs-studio
[19:16] <imi> apt-get install obs-studio
[19:16] <imi> and you say that despite the fact that it's an ubuntu package it might not work on ubuntu default install?
[19:18] <Guest74> 20.04 is vulnerable to Nimbuspwn, right?  Any idea when it might be patched?
[19:19] <ogra> imi, sounds like it ... i think the obs-studio deb just comes straight from debian, they might not build it for wayland or with wayland support
[19:19] <basti_> Hello. I'm trying to run a shell script from the gnome shell. Neither Alt-F2 nor Nautilus double click do what I want. Alt-F2 would curiously open emacs in a terminal to edit the script file, while Alt-F2 won't parse shell (variables, and especially, inserting the current date as a text into a parameter to the command.
[19:42] <ioria> basti_, have you tried with full path ?
[20:13] <howudodat> basti_ try right click in nautilus, run as a program
[20:13] <howudodat> basti_ if that option doesn't exist the script is probably not marked as executable
[20:40] <basti_> ioria: thank you a lot, this was it.
[20:41] <MyWay27> Hello, I have just run updates on my ubuntu, rebooted because I had dell firmware updates too and... my laptop not booting anymore, no specific message, stuck at initial ramdisk loading
[20:41] <MyWay27> If I play with bios settings I get out of memory, at boot and a kernel panic
[20:42] <MyWay27> I have tried booting with old kernel 5.19, but the same happens
[20:42] <MyWay27> Any idea?
[20:43] <MyWay27> (Running 20.04)
[20:44] <i-garrison> MyWay27: 5.19 looks too new to exist
[20:45] <MyWay27> Lol, 5.13 sorry*
[20:46] <MyWay27> I could try that system revert (never tried before), but maybe you have some better hint before proceed
[20:48] <MyWay27> Actually I was on 5.11 before, updated to 5.13 today
[20:58] <MyWay27> Reverting not working too, blank screen
[20:58] <MyWay27> Recovery same
[21:09] <i-garrison> MyWay27: looks like broken firmware update to me
[21:09] <i-garrison> MyWay27: does it boot any livecd?
[21:19] <MyWay33> Unfortunately I haven't access to a live, i-garrison
[21:20] <i-garrison> MyWay33: does it boot anything at all?
[21:20] <i-garrison> I mean, any cd or live usb
[21:20] <MyWay33> No, nothing at all
[21:20] <MyWay33> But I haven't a live with me
[21:20] <MyWay33> So I can only tell about HD boot
[21:38] <dadofapollo> any reason why I wouldn't have an "Appearance" section in my setting on 22.04? Can't find a reason on google. Is it something to do with Wayland/X11?
[21:40] <Guest80> hallo
[21:40] <Guest80> is it correct that the timestamp is on 19 th april ?
[21:41] <mevla> Hello. Switching between workspaces does not work using the keyboard in Xubuntu 22.04.  I've asked in the Xubuntu and xfce IRCs but got no replies.  Maybe someone here has an idea about this.
[21:43] <nikomo> I have a Ubuntu Server 22.04 box that started off on 20.04, and I'm pretty sure when I installed the Nvidia non-free drivers for CUDA, some desktop packages got pulled in too. I upgraded it to 22.04, and now it seems to be entering suspend after being inactive for a while. I thought it was shutting itself off, but then I checked uptime after hitting the power button and the host came up suspiciously fast. Anyone know how to disable all that suspend jazz,
[21:43] <nikomo> considering I don't have a GUI on the box?
[21:43] <nikomo> I assume nuking GNOME in its entirety would also do the trick, but I've never done that to a system so not sure what packages to purge
[21:44] <kryten> mevla: I'll note you did get replies from various people on #xfce earlier today though.
[21:44] <ogra> dadofapollo, it should look like this ...  https://preview.redd.it/seb9u4fxg2w81.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a7962955eb6713a5d51829ddecb55fe69530cce7
[21:45] <dadofapollo> yeah mine doesn't even have the option on the sidebar. Search also doesn't return it
[21:45] <ogra> dadofapollo, and there is no reason you would not have it ... (except for a not yet known bug perhaps)
[21:46] <mevla> kryten: Indeed although the xml file that was mentioned has indeed the proper shortcut re-assign. eg. Alt-1 to Alt-3 for three workspaces.  I did nto see the point in erasing the user config as root and re-doing it.  That's already three times that I reconfigure the shortcuts to no avail.
[21:46] <ogra> dadofapollo, is it an upgrade or a fresh install ?
[21:46] <dadofapollo> ogra: it is an upgrade, completed today
[21:47] <ogra> dadofapollo, try with a freshly created test user, to find if it is some old setting in your user account
[21:47] <mevla> kryten: And it was only from one person, there were no multiple suggestions.
[21:47] <dadofapollo> ogra: good thinking, let me try that!
[21:49] <nikomo> I'm an idiot so I took a hammer to the issue - masked off all suspend and hibernate targets on systemd, and I kept removing packages until it removed a whole lot of packages, see if that fixes it. gnome-shell is gone at least, and the system works fine
[21:50] <mevla> I've been using these shortcuts for switching workspaces since 18.04 as far as Xubuntu is concerned, and since at least 15 years all Linux OSes considered.
[21:51] <cluelessperson> omg, this onscreen keyboard "caribou" is absolutely broken
[21:51] <cluelessperson> how do I remove this?
[21:51] <cluelessperson> it keeps activating, even though it is explictly disabled.
[21:52] <mevla> I could try erasing the user's xfce config and recreate it but, I do not see the point in doing that unless it's a new bug in xfce
[21:53] <dadofapollo> ogra: interesting. That worked! I had the option in a new test user account but still not in mine. where is a good place to look for an old setting that would do that?
[21:54] <mrbob> Hi, I've just installed Jammy Jellyfish on my macbook pro (old one) and says its 'NVA5' so Nvdia but I have no idea what driver that would be.
[21:54] <ogra> dadofapollo, likely somewhere in .config or in the gsettings database ... but i'd start with looking for old theme files gtkrc gtk3rc or whatnot undet the .config dir
[21:54] <ogra> *under
[21:55] <dadofapollo> ogra: I'm on the case. Thank you so much!!!
[21:55] <ogra> np, good luck 🙂
[21:58] <mevla> kryten:  Talk about a smeghead.  I found it.  I mistankenly assigned the new shortcuts to 'move current window to workspace x' instead of assigning them to 'go to workspace x' !
[22:01] <Mibix> what is the best way to add timestamps to ubuntu shells?
[22:01] <leftyfb> Mibix: export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%F %T '
[22:03] <Mibix> i want it like to the left of the user in every shell everytime i open one heh
[22:04] <leftyfb> $(date)
[22:04] <leftyfb> in your $PS1
[22:05] <Mibix> you mean in my .bashrc?
[22:06] <leftyfb> sure, that'll work
[22:07] <matsaman> y'know what's real nice in a PS1 is exit status of last command =)
[22:07] <Mibix> no idea what $PS1 is lol
[22:07] <Mibix> it looks like its already in my .bashrc lol
[22:08] <leftyfb> matsaman: that and git branch :)
[22:08] <Mibix> fi
[22:08] <Mibix> export PROMPT_COMMAND="echo -n \[\$(date +%H:%M:%S)\]\ "
[22:08] <Mibix> if [ $TILIX_ID ] || [ $VTE_VERSION ] ; then source /etc/profile.d/vte.sh; fi # Ubuntu Budgie END
[22:08] <leftyfb> !paste | Mibix
[22:09] <sarnold> matsaman: yeah, I've come to really like having exit status in my shell prompt..
[22:09] <sarnold> for many years I used the default "\$ " that didn't show *anythying*
[22:10] <Mibix> i dont get why that isnt doing anything though lol
[22:10] <matsaman> sarnold: same
[22:10] <leftyfb> Mibix: . ~/.bahrc
[22:10] <matsaman> gets too wasteful re-running long processes just because you were too shortsighted to check the exit status
[22:10] <sarnold> but using git repos with multiple branches made me switch to liquidprompt.. https://github.com/nojhan/liquidprompt  .. today I'd give a look to https://starship.rs/ first, but liquidprompt was packaged and looked decent :) heh
[22:10] <Mibix> huh?
[22:11] <leftyfb> Mibix: either run:   . ~/.bahrc   # or close your terminal and open a new one
[22:11] <leftyfb> or run: bash
[22:12] <Mibix> yeah neither of those things does anything with the timestamp
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mibix: works fine for me
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mibix: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[22:14] <Mibix> mibix@mibix-module:~$  echo $PS1
[22:14] <Mibix> \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
[22:14] <Mibix> lol
[22:14] <Mibix> tf does that mean
[22:15] <leftyfb> Mibix: please use pastebin
[22:15] <Mibix> for 1 line?
[22:15] <leftyfb> Mibix: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[22:15] <sarnold> that'll tell if you're using a schroot the name of the root, and it'll show you username, hostname
[22:15] <dadofapollo> ogra: got it working but don't understand it! I logged out and clicked the gear icon (to switch display managers?) and switched it from GNOME to Ubuntu. Everything works as intended now though
[22:21] <Mibix> ahh ok i think i got it sarnold ty


[00:04] <mneptok> Mac_Taylor: from what has been said, it appears you are evading a k: line.
[00:04] <mneptok> that is, as we say in the IRC racket, "way uncool"
[00:10] <mneptok> <3 subtlety
[00:13] <nalioth> awww
[00:13] <nalioth> you scairt him
[01:40] <mneptok> nalioth: blasphemy from a customer in Ala-gawddam-bama ...
[01:40] <mneptok> "You're good people, Kurt. Ya know, for a Yankee an' all ..."
[01:56] <LjL> hello is there a channel that works as outlet for frustration and i can whine, swear and insult random people in?
[02:34] <Seeker`> anyone had to do an online C test for a job before?
[02:37] <LjL> return(EXIT_FAIL);
[02:40] <Seeker`> i have to do one tomorrow; am trying to work out whether it will be a "write code to do x, y, z", "find the bugs in this code" or "what does this declaration mean? how about this one?"
[03:18] <mneptok> LjL: try EFnet. that's what it's for.
[03:29] <mneptok> vbvirus: please change your ident before using Ubuntu namespace IRC channels
[03:29] <mneptok> gah
[03:58] <genii> @login
[03:58] <genii> Good evening/morning/afternoon
[04:00] <vorian> hi
[04:00] <mneptok> genii: /msg NickServ identify .....
[04:00] <mneptok> ;)
[07:29] <ompaul> elkbuntu, LjL pm?
[07:29] <ompaul> thanks
[10:20] <jussi01> argh, I hate the million guestxxx niks...
[10:22] <elkbuntu> yeah
[11:12] <juliux> hi
[11:14] <jussi01> hi juliux
[11:15] <juliux> damn i missed ompaul
[11:16] <jussi01> he wil likely be back...
[11:49] <Onefield> hey I am a newbie in ubuntu. I have just installed virtualbox and windows xp pro, but cannot find vrdp under settings i virtualbox which i need
[11:49] <jussi01> Onefield: support is in #ubuntu
[11:50] <jussi01> Onefield: This channel is only for Operator questions
[11:51] <jussi01> !idle | Onefield
[11:52] <jussi01> bazhang: what do you think, violet is a bot? been repeating this for a bit... [13:49:48] <violet_> Q^U^R^A^I^^S^Y
[11:52] <bazhang> jussi01, could be, though the klien may indicate he/she is Chinese
[11:52] <jussi01> Ok
[11:52] <bazhang> ie the name klien@
[11:52] <jussi01> yeah
[11:53] <jussi01> althought the -5 looks suspicious to me
[11:53] <bazhang> will PM him/her if he joins again :)
[11:53] <jussi01> Onefield: please respond, do you have an operator/abuse query?
[14:46] <Mez> @bansearch bush
[14:46] <Mez> @bansearch georgewbush
[14:48] <nalioth> Mez: it's a troll.
[14:50] <Mez> nalioth: I know ;) I was just looking through to see where his bans were on here (know him from another channels banhistory, and just noticed some very... bad... comments by him in the QDB over there
[14:54] <Mez> and to be honest, I don't think he tries to be a troll... he's just an idiot
[14:55] <nalioth> deity help us if he tries . . .
[14:58] <Mez> http://wiki.blitzed.org/Channel:bitfolk/GeorgeWBush#GeorgeWBush.27s_current_IRC_status
[15:10] <elkbuntu> that wikipage is comedy central
[15:11] <elkbuntu> #  In 2002 he spent £100/month for approx. 3 months on an unmetered dialup internet connection primarily in order to receive 24-hour streamed news from Canada. This was paid for by state benefits.
[15:11] <elkbuntu> wtf?!
[15:13] <nalioth> it's not the same guy
[15:22] <elkbuntu> nalioth, you mean more than one troll tries to name himself after the current US president? no wai
[15:22]  * nalioth is afraid it is so  . . .   :(
[15:23] <elkbuntu> orly
[18:01] <ompaul> @login
[18:01] <ompaul> silly bot
[18:01] <ompaul> :)
[18:03] <jdong> in soviet russia, mikem* forget YOU?
[18:03] <LjL> i wish
[21:26] <maxbaldwin> Would having a google function for ubottu be a good idea?
[21:27] <maxbaldwin> I've seen it in other bots, and if ubottu couldn't provide help with a factoid, he could google it...?
[21:29] <maxbaldwin> There's already a !google, but It could be replaced
[21:29] <Flannel> maxbaldwin: It would be a bad idea, way too much noise
[21:29] <Flannel> maxbaldwin: Also, all of the factoids have been checked out, etc, we know they're giving good information.  With google, that wouldn't be the case.
[21:29] <Pici> maxbaldwin: What wrong with that person actually opening up a browser and using goole then?
[21:30] <maxbaldwin> Seems that people go to irc, then google.
[21:30] <maxbaldwin> But yeah, it probably would create more trouble than it's worth.
[21:41] <PriceChild> a bot can only send so much to a channel without flooding
[21:41] <PriceChild> and google search results are quite large
[21:42] <maxbaldwin> hrm, the one I've seen just sends the first result's link.
[21:42] <PriceChild> i can also see that being abused
[21:45] <maxbaldwin> Well, yeah.
[22:03] <PriceChild> starscalling in -kde4.... for a minute i thought he was saying that in -devel and was a little scared
[22:03] <Flannel> maxbaldwin: anything else we can help you with?
[22:04] <jussi01> maxbaldwin: we have thought about that before, and supybot has a plugin for it, just we have chosen not to implement it
[22:18] <maxbaldwin> Flannel: Nope, I'm good.
[22:18] <maxbaldwin> later.
[22:33] <Flannel> Why are bots not echoing here?
[22:34] <PriceChild> Flannel: not echoing what? ops calls?
[22:34] <Flannel> PriceChild: yeah
[22:36] <PriceChild> I don't see any bans or mutes in place.
[22:37] <nalioth> Flannel: ubot3 doesn't echo anything in here except requests for factoids and is not in #ubuntu or #kubuntu to echo !ops calls from those places
[22:38] <Flannel> nalioth: Floodbots usually echo ops calls here.... hmmm, no floodbots here.
[22:38] <Flannel> Or is it ubotu who does? I don't remember
[22:38] <Pici> Flannel: Its ubottu
[22:38] <Flannel> Either way, it's not happening currently.
[22:38] <Pici> I'm pretty sure we mentioned this the other day
[22:39] <Flannel> Pici: I know I mentioned it the other day, but did I miss some announcement?
[22:39] <Flannel> How its not happening anymore or something?
[22:40] <Pici> Flannel: I think jussi01 was looking into it... or I'm making this up.
[22:40] <Pici> or stid
[22:40] <Pici> stdin, rather
[22:41] <Flannel> either way, they're both pinged now, so hopefully it'll get sorted.
[22:42] <jussi01> yeah, I forgot to look, looking now, if I could just remember the variable name...
[22:44] <jussi01> curous
[22:46] <jussi01> is it only in -ops monitor? or other places also?
[22:47] <jussi01> this is quite weird
[22:49] <Flannel> jussi01: #ubuntu as well
[22:49] <Flannel> jussi01: Or at least, I've noticed the lack of it happeniing in -monitor and #u
[22:49] <jussi01> yeah
[23:22] <Q-Bot> So I screwed up when I tried to register this account, and sent it to the wrong email
[23:23] <Q-Bot> and now it won't let me change it
[23:23] <Q-Bot> can anyone help me?
[23:23] <Flannel> Q-Bot: you need freenode staff, try #freenode and http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff


[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[17:10] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[22:44] <AlanBell> hi al
[22:44] <AlanBell> all
[22:44] <AlanBell> I am trying to locate the translations done by -cym
[22:45] <AlanBell> https://translations.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cym seems empty
[22:46] <AlanBell> found it https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-cy


[14:23] <teek_> why does 12.04 "user accounts" in "system settings" where as if you actually want to change anything you have to search and seperately run "user settings". Why even have "user accounts" at all, why does "system settings" even exist if you can't use it to set up the system??
[14:25] <teek_> ever since the move from "management tools" to "system settings" you have a bunch of programs that accomplish pretty much nil.
[14:26] <k1l> i dont really get the question tbh
[14:26] <teek_> I forgot the word "have" after 12.04


[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij nhaines and others
[07:22] <Kilos> ohi JanC as well
[07:27] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[07:36] <svij> hi Kilos and dholbach
[07:37] <dholbach> hi svij