[12:03] <suso> algueinb que able espaol ?
[12:03] <juif> if anyone feels up to the task :)
[12:04] <arrinmurr> en1gma: well, actually the name of the person making knoppix is Klaus Knopper (if i remember it correct), but anyway ;)
[12:04] <suso> bye chanel goodnight
[12:04] <en1gma> oo
[12:05] <en1gma> omg i just put the daper flight 2 cd in while i was in windoze and it actually autoruns
[12:05] <en1gma> hmmm intresting
[12:06] <en1gma> bbiam gots to eat
[12:07] <juif> seems no one wants to help me with this JACK crap :) i looked around on the web and it seems like one complicated bitch to get running, with permissions and real time access and all that
[12:14] <glick> hey does anyone here have a firewire or usb externel drive?
[12:18] <`Nomad> I used one a short while ago..
[12:18] <`Nomad> but it' gone now
[12:19] <`Nomad> Is there anyone that uses kxdocker here?  I feel totally stupid, I can't seem to understand how to add apps on it..
[12:20] <glick> anyone been having problems mounting removable media?
[12:20] <glick> like external disks and such?
[12:22] <slow-motion> n8
[12:24] <glick> i get this error when i plug in my firewire drive
[12:24] <glick> An error occurred while loading media:/sdb4:
[12:24] <glick> The file or folder media:/sdb4 does not exist.
[12:25] <`Nomad> Wish I could help, mine went remarkably smoothly when I used it
[12:26] <`Nomad> i sthere really a : after the word media?
[12:27] <e_machinist> Is there an easy to use Firewall that anyone recommends?
[12:29] <BlippeAway> e_machinist, firestarter
[12:33] <e_machinist> firestarter is gtk though.. haha.
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi fellows, i just resolved my problems with grub
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i had hard time but kubuntu live saved me in the end..
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> even though i think knoppix is better.. for live puorposes... :=
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[12:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i ask you a thing? i want to move my linux to another (bigger) partition..
[12:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> any advice?
[12:40] <isodude> dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 ?
[12:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?? what is that?
[12:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dd?
[12:41] <isodude> it writes data from if to of
[12:41] <isodude> RAW
[12:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why dd instead of cp?
[12:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so, suppose that i have in /dev/hda1 my window partition, in that way i can simply move it to a backup location and repristinate it in a second moment if i want?
[12:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> isodude: ?
[12:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> isodude: ?
[12:48] <en1gma> ok breezy connects to net just fine upon boot BUT it takes freaking forever to get to the damn desktop
[12:48] <en1gma> daper flight2 is prob like 10x faster to get to DE
[12:49] <en1gma> ok so daper wont connect to net upon boot and breezy just takes damn forever
[12:49] <_sam> wireless or wired?
[12:50] <en1gma> wired
[12:51] <en1gma> nforce2 mb using onboard lan
[12:51] <_sam> is eth0 in your init scrypt?
[12:51] <en1gma> i dont have any script it just upon boot
[12:51] <en1gma> etho reports in ifconfig -a but it has no ip
[12:51] <_sam> u have router?
[12:52] <en1gma> yep
[12:52] <en1gma> its set to dhcp
[12:52] <_sam> dhcp?
[12:52] <_sam> oh
[12:52] <_sam> mk
[12:52] <en1gma> breezy works fine but daper dont
[12:52] <_sam> hrm
[12:53] <en1gma> breezy just takes so long to reach DE
[12:53] <en1gma> i mean alont time
[12:53] <_sam> does it sayu its using dhcp in the kde network manager?
[12:53] <en1gma> netwrok manager didnt report anything
[12:53] <_sam> u kno the manufaturer
[12:53] <_sam> they removed some drivers in dapper
[12:53] <en1gma> ifconfig -a showed eth0 being there, lsmod showed forcedeth nic driver loaded but there was no ip
[12:53] <_sam> wierd
[12:54] <_sam> sorry i dont know what the prob is then
[12:54] <en1gma> does knoppix take as long as breezy does on load up
[12:54] <_sam> little less
[12:54] <en1gma> this isnt for me this is for a windoze user im trying to convert to linux
[12:54] <en1gma> :)
[12:54] <_sam> :D
[12:54] <en1gma> live cds are the best way to do that i think
[12:54] <_sam> yah
[12:54] <_sam> they are slo tho
[12:55] <_sam> but knoppix is a little faster
[12:55] <en1gma> dsl and slax and daper are alot faster to get DE then breezy though
[12:55] <_sam> kubuntu live cds are just crappy
[12:55] <_sam> u ever heard of enlightenment/e17
[12:55] <_sam> ?
[12:56] <en1gma> yea i heard of it alot and wanted to use it with slamd64 but i was gonna have to build everything from scratch
[12:56] <en1gma> it looks good
[12:56] <_sam> cause there is a good fast live cd with that
[12:56] <en1gma> are you serious
[12:56] <_sam> elivecd.org
[12:56] <en1gma> whats it called
[12:56] <en1gma> thanks checking that now
[12:56] <_sam> mk
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> I love unexplained crashes. Amarok, nothing has changed on my system, not even any changes to amarok or the playlist but it just won't run any more unless I edit amarokrc and remove my mysql configs. argh.
[12:59] <_sam> meh kaffiene > amarok
[01:01] <en1gma> i gonna wait to 0.4 elive as it should be out very soon
[01:01] <en1gma> gonna reboot and get knoppix
[01:01] <en1gma> brb
[01:05] <dutchie> evening guys ... I'm having trouble getting Java running in Konq ... tried all the howtos, I've run out of ideas ... can anyone help ?
[01:05] <dutchie> I've downloaded Sun's 1.5 ... created the deb package ...
[01:05] <dutchie> supplied the full path in Konq's settings -> applet loading
[01:06] <sorush20> how do i restart the kde menu?
[01:06] <en1gma> man i sure wish daper flight2 would connect me to net
[01:06] <en1gma> cause so far its the best one
[01:08] <Hobbsee> en1gma: did you try: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo dhclient && sudo ifup eth0?
[01:10] <dutchie> so, anyone able to get Java to work in Konq ?
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there.. i'd like to reduce my 9GB linux kubuntu installation.. i don't know where to start. In windows it was easy, mainly it was about going in the program directory and delete unknown folders... what about linux? can you give me some hints on how eliminate for me useless material like unused libraries or programs?
[01:23] <rance> could someone help me out with a software recommendation? I need a linux compatible invoice generation program, I'd like it to do a customer history, but it doesnt need to do parts, products or any of that other stuff, im just charging for labor
[01:25] <_sam> MIKE JONES
[01:25] <_sam> foap
[01:25] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: empty the trash, clear web browser cache and "sudo apt-get clean"
[01:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> bimberi: tnx, you have been the only person answering correctly
[01:26] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: lol, i didn't realise it was a test
[01:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you can't even imagine what they wrote to me in debian
[01:33] <deacon> Greetings all!
[01:34] <deacon> Has anyone else here run into issues with the Network Config utility?
[01:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[01:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but don't go in debian to ask  :) they are racist toward ubuntu ;)
[01:35] <deacon> I seem to have lost the ability to route on another machine after using Network Config to configure a static IP
[01:36] <deacon> I doublechecked my settings, they are correct
[01:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> route on another machine?
[01:37] <deacon> the other machine cannot route out of my local network
[01:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[01:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> have you set the DNS?
[01:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what kind of communication are you trying?
[01:38] <deacon> yep.  to my local dns
[01:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> connecting to internet or setting up a server?
[01:38] <deacon> just simple ping or browsing
[01:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[01:38] <deacon> just connecting
[01:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> check that in the router you insterted the right Internet DNS
[01:39] <deacon> all my other machines work, including the one I am talking to you on
[01:39] <deacon> Besides, I am using my own DNS
[01:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[01:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about subnets?
[01:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> are you sure even the not working machine is in the same subnet?
[01:42] <glick> scuse me how do i just delete a folder in conquerer?
[01:42] <glick> i only have the option of sending to trash
[01:42] <deacon> yep.  it's a dual-boot machine, and the Win partition works just fine.
[01:42] <glick> and creating folders in trash doesnt work
[01:43] <deacon> and I only have one subnet
[01:44] <deacon> is there a secific conf file I can edit to regain network connectivity?
[01:46] <deacon> is it the Interfaces file in /etc/network, or is there another file?
[01:46] <simlu> glikc - why do you want to create a folder in the trash?
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> glick: you have to push shift and canc at the same time
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> glick: once you have selected the files that you want to delete
[01:53] <deacon> ok, I fixed it.  I had to add a gateway line to /etc/network/interfaces in the eth0 section.
[02:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eheh
[02:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[02:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> deacon: that file is read by ifconfig?
[02:08] <en1gma> how often is dapper updated as the way it is now it dont handle dhcp correctly
[02:08] <en1gma> so thats a pretty big bug
[02:09] <Hobbsee> en1gma: it's a common problem - check if there's a bug for it
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: dapper is devel, it's updated daily, but when your bug get's fixed - who knows. Check the bug tracker and see if it's already been filed, if not file one.
[02:10] <en1gma> LeeJunFan do i have to be running daper to use bug tracker
[02:10] <Hobbsee> no
[02:11] <en1gma> where is bug tracker
[02:11] <en1gma> im on website and wikkie and dont see it yet
[02:11] <bimberi> !bugzilla
[02:11] <ubotu> from memory, bugzilla is at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:12] <cyberbuddy> hello
[02:12] <Arcanimus> hi guys
[02:13] <Hobbsee> bimberi: no, not bugzilla
[02:13] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/
[02:13] <Hobbsee> en1gma: https://launchpad.net/
[02:13] <bimberi> Hobbsee: ah, has the transition happened?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> it all just moved to launchpad
[02:13] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:13] <Arcanimus> so; I must say that I am quite impressed with Kubuntu
[02:13] <Arcanimus> I just installed it the other day
[02:13] <bimberi> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[02:13] <Arcanimus> and it took me entirely by surprise :o
[02:14] <en1gma> does ubuntu and kubuntu use the same bugzilla link
[02:14] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:14] <Arcanimus> anyone here use K3b?
[02:14] <bimberi> en1gma: yes (but read the last few posts)
[02:14] <cyberbuddy> what does "no root file system is defined" mean?
[02:14] <Arcanimus> cyberbuddy,
[02:14] <Arcanimus> probably that you don't have a "/" directory set
[02:14] <Arcanimus> if you're partitioning then that should especially be the case
[02:15] <cyberbuddy> yes i am
[02:15] <Arcanimus> you need to set a partition to be mounted as "/"
[02:15] <en1gma> theres 6000 posts
[02:15] <Arcanimus> so anyways; anyone use K3b?
[02:15] <cyberbuddy> i have two HDD's: hd0 with windows, hd1 with first partition longhorn, second going to be kubuntu, and last ntfs media partition
[02:15] <cyberbuddy> oh
[02:15] <Arcanimus> I need to burn DVD's (copy) and I have no idea whether K3b will do it properly
[02:16] <Hobbsee> it should do
[02:16] <cyberbuddy> Arcanimus, i can set a partition to be mounted as "/" in the partitioner?
[02:16] <Arcanimus> it only has a "CD Copy" option - would this work for a dvd?
[02:16] <Arcanimus> cyberbuddy, yes
[02:16] <Arcanimus> in the installation partitioner
[02:16] <Arcanimus> you will also need a swap partition
[02:16] <Arcanimus> so leave space for that
[02:16] <cyberbuddy> ah, and just checking, i can install kubuntu without a boot loader right? (i already have one.. GRUB)
[02:17] <Arcanimus> well, you don't really <need> it per say; but highly recommended
[02:17] <cyberbuddy> yeah, i know
[02:17] <cyberbuddy> 1gb enough for swap?
[02:17] <Arcanimus> you can install it without a boot loader but then you have to add the partition to grub
[02:17] <cyberbuddy> yup
[02:17] <Hobbsee> cyberbuddy: grub will update if you want it to during the kubuntu install
[02:17] <Arcanimus> rule of thumb: swap partition = 2x physical ram
[02:17] <Arcanimus> so if you have 512 mb or ram put 1 gig partition for swap
[02:17] <cyberbuddy> i have 1gb physical
[02:17] <cyberbuddy> so 2gb
[02:17] <Arcanimus> go for it :)
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> :)
[02:18] <Arcanimus> i usually add more than that but doesn't really matter
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> hmm then my / partition will be 13gb
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> enough to install kubuntu?
[02:18] <Arcanimus> my server has 256 Mb or RAM and a 10 gig swap partition
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> hahahaha
[02:18] <Arcanimus> cyberbuddy, more than enough
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> ah ok
[02:18] <Arcanimus> :P
[02:18] <Arcanimus> my kubuntu / partition is 15 gigs
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> and just another quickie, can linux read and write to an NTFS partition?
[02:18] <Arcanimus> and 5 gigs of swap
[02:18] <cyberbuddy> ah
[02:18] <Arcanimus> if you have the drivers for it cyberbuddy
[02:19] <cyberbuddy> ah ok thanks
[02:19] <Arcanimus> NTFS is not thorougly tested however
[02:19] <cyberbuddy> ah
[02:19] <Arcanimus> the reading drivers work perfect as far as i can tell
[02:19] <Arcanimus> the writing drivers are prone to problems
[02:19] <Hobbsee> cyberbuddy: read, yes, write, no
[02:19] <Arcanimus> Hobbsee, there are write drivers
[02:19] <Arcanimus> they are just not stable
[02:19] <cyberbuddy> oh, thats fine
[02:19] <cyberbuddy> just to access my media partition
[02:19] <Hobbsee> true
[02:19] <cyberbuddy> w/ my music
[02:19] <Arcanimus> I just use a large FAT32 partition to work with files that go between linux and windows
[02:20] <Arcanimus> that way they can both read and write to it flawlessly
[02:20] <cyberbuddy> hahaha i hate FAT32 :-x
[02:20] <cyberbuddy> yeah true
[02:20] <Arcanimus> works better than NTFS for linux
[02:20] <cyberbuddy> true
[02:20] <cyberbuddy> i actually had mac OSX on x86 before
[02:20] <Arcanimus> nice
[02:20] <cyberbuddy> removed it so i can install kubuntu
[02:21] <Arcanimus> Anyone know how to get WinRAR to start w/ Wine (or how to get unrar, not unrar-free)?
[02:21] <Arcanimus> err aside from paying that is 8-)
[02:22] <cyberbuddy> isnt winrar free?
[02:22] <Arcanimus> yes but it doesn't work with wine
[02:22] <Arcanimus> at least for me :\
[02:22] <cyberbuddy> oh
[02:22] <Arcanimus> i checked winehq but there's no suggestions
[02:22] <cyberbuddy> hahah
[02:22] <Arcanimus> i needa unrar my backup
[02:22] <cyberbuddy> dont have windows?
[02:23] <Arcanimus> i have it but i reformatted a few days ago
[02:23] <Arcanimus> haven't even installed drivers
[02:23] <cyberbuddy> oh lol
[02:23] <Arcanimus> man, speaking of wine, every time i see it say "Windows Update" i just get a chill down my back
[02:24] <Arcanimus> fortunatelly, windows runs better on linux than on windows :)
[02:24] <Arcanimus> in some cases...
[02:27] <bimberi> Arcanimus: how about unrar for linux? there's unrar-free (in universe) and unrar-nonfree (in multiverse)
[02:27] <Arcanimus> bimberi, i need unrar not unrar-free then
[02:27] <Arcanimus> because the archive is RARed from windows using the 3.0 standard
[02:27] <Arcanimus> which unrar-free doesn't support
[02:28] <Arcanimus> i wasn't aware of the issue when I was RARing the files
[02:28] <bimberi> Arcanimus: try unrar-nonfree then ...
[02:28] <bimberi> !multiverse
[02:28] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:28] <en1gma> how do i get topic to get displayed
[02:28] <Arcanimus> yeah but non-free means $$$
[02:28] <Arcanimus> and that's $$$ for software; a no-no in my book :)
[02:28] <Arcanimus> I have multiverse
[02:28] <en1gma> !easysource
[02:28] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:29] <en1gma> how do i navigate to daper from kubuntu.org
[02:30] <en1gma> im getting dapper-live-amd64.iso i hope it dont have probs with dhcp too
[02:31] <bimberi> Arcanimus: um, unrar-nonfree doesn't mean $$$, it just means that it has a nonfree (as in freedom) licence
[02:37] <KonvIRC> hi
[02:37] <KonvIRC> I need install libqt2, but there isn't libqt2 in kubuntu repository, where I can find them?
[02:38] <en1gma> hi
[02:38] <KonvIRC> en1gma, can you help me?
[02:38] <en1gma> why do you need to install libqt2
[02:39] <KonvIRC> en1gma, I need install a program, which use libqt2
[02:39] <en1gma> yea i figured that
[02:39] <KonvIRC> :)
[02:39] <en1gma> what is the program
[02:40] <KonvIRC> wordtrans
[02:40] <KonvIRC> is a dictionary like Babylon
[02:40] <en1gma> cant you get the .deb package and install that
[02:40] <KonvIRC> nop
[02:41] <en1gma> did you try already
[02:41] <KonvIRC> en1gma, ?
[02:41] <en1gma> the .deb package
[02:43] <KonvIRC> en1gma, I find them in ubuntu repository
[02:43] <KonvIRC> thanks
[02:43] <KonvIRC> !
[02:43] <ubotu> Not a clue, KonvIRC
[02:43] <KonvIRC> :-)
[02:46] <en1gma> np
[02:49] <wimpies> HI all, any,
[02:50] <wimpies> I seem to be running old packages on 5.1
[02:50] <wimpies> I have a bug in amarok 1.3.1 but there is a versione 1.3.7 for breezy
[02:50] <wimpies> What is the proper apt.source line for all 'recent' breezy packages ?
[02:51] <wimpies> I now nave gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is that ok ?
[02:51] <dark_suic> wimpies, it's ok, but some packages (as amarok1.3.7) and some others have to add additional lines (just for themselves)
[02:52] <dark_suic> look at www.kubuntu.org
[02:52] <dark_suic> and see the announcements about kde3.5 and amarok1.3.7
[02:52] <dark_suic> in the anouncements you have the sources.list lines you have to add to upgrade :)
[02:52] <dark_suic> i just hope you understood me, i'm not english :P
[02:52] <wimpies> no problem,
[02:53] <wimpies> Isn' that weird ? that for upgrades you need to add application specific lines ?
[02:53] <wimpies> Why is that ?
[02:55] <Knowerrors> any good programs for making a printable calander?
[02:56] <Knowerrors> calendar
[03:11] <juif> i dont know JACK !
[03:12] <smitty> about
[03:23] <houn> Ok, about to install.  Any words of wisdom?
[03:23] <houn> No?  Ok then!
[03:23] <bimberi> Arcanimus: there you are :P   unrar-nonfree doesn't mean $$$, it just means that it has a nonfree (as in freedom) licence
[03:24] <Arcanimus> err does it?
[03:24] <Arcanimus> heh
[03:24] <Arcanimus> pardon my ignorance then :)
[03:25] <Tm_T> Knowerrors: well, how about Kontact?
[03:25] <bimberi> Arcanimus: forgiven :)
[03:30] <bimberi> s/just //
[03:30] <Knowerrors> TM_T might work, thx :)
[03:35] <adventureoflink_> OK
[03:35] <adventureoflink_> I got the kubuntu installed
[03:35] <adventureoflink_> Had to add the noaccel option to xorg to get it running though (found it during a quick board search)
[03:35] <adventureoflink_> But
[03:35] <adventureoflink_> Where's kynaptic
[03:36] <sampan> kynaptic has been replaced by Adept (new package manager)
[03:36] <adventureoflink_> Ah.
[03:36] <adventureoflink_> Thanks.
[03:36] <sampan> np :)
[03:36] <adventureoflink_> I downloaded a rc1 a couple months ago
[03:36] <adventureoflink_> and put it on my server
[03:37] <adventureoflink_> Then I downloaded a new kubuntu for my laptop, so that's why.
[03:37] <adventureoflink_> Another stupid question
[03:37] <adventureoflink_> How come there's 4400+ possible packages on my laptop's config
[03:37] <adventureoflink_> yet on my server it's somewhere like 16,000+
[03:37] <sampan> you probably need to enable all the repositories (universe and multiverse)
[03:37] <adventureoflink_> oh yeah.
[03:38] <adventureoflink_> did that also on my server
[03:38] <adventureoflink_> I'll look up the wiki like last time then :D
[03:38] <adventureoflink_> Thanks again sampan.
[03:38] <adventureoflink_> I've only installed a working kubuntu twice, so expect me to forget things :oops:
[03:39] <sampan> glad to help -- enjoy!  :)  (and neither of your questions were remotely 'stupid' -- both very normal) ;D
[03:42] <adventureoflink_> sampan,
[03:42] <adventureoflink_> I will enjoy kubuntu.
[03:42] <adventureoflink_> Have been since I installed it on my server.
[03:42] <adventureoflink_> ...
[03:42] <adventureoflink_> I rather like it.
[03:42] <sampan> excellent!
[03:42] <adventureoflink_> :D
[03:43] <adventureoflink_> <3 kubuntu
[03:43] <adventureoflink_> :D
[03:43] <adventureoflink_> Oh.
[03:43] <adventureoflink_> Got some more problems to report (kinda old, but moo)
[03:43] <adventureoflink_> They were on my server
[03:44] <adventureoflink_> When I first upgraded its KDE to 3.5, at first it wouldn't display the kdegreet (the logon prompt)
[03:44] <adventureoflink_> and it crashed
[03:44] <adventureoflink_> (however, I got it through the adept, by manually configuring it)
[03:44] <adventureoflink_> the updates stopped with like ~200 left to go
[03:44] <adventureoflink_> so I had to restart
[03:44] <adventureoflink_> I eventually got in to finish the updates, and that problem was fixed.
[03:45] <adventureoflink_> Anyway, since then Konqueror crashed a couple times here and there
[03:45] <adventureoflink_> And a couple nights ago, my alsa server crashed
[03:45] <adventureoflink_> sup with that
[03:46] <sampan> hrmmm ... i dunno ... the kde 3.5 packages are good, but technically not "official" -- i personally have stuck with 3.4.3, so i have no experience with 3.5.  hopefully the crashes won't continue and were just one-time things?
[03:46] <adventureoflink_> Yeah
[03:47] <adventureoflink_> The kdegreet problem was fixed when I eventually got in manually and finished updates
[03:47] <adventureoflink_> konqueror crashed a couple times
[03:47] <adventureoflink_> But, personally I'd also stick to kde 3.4.3
[03:47] <adventureoflink_> and that's what i plan on doing. :D
[03:48] <pussfeller> !restricted
[03:48] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[03:48] <pussfeller> !compile
[03:48] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[03:48] <pussfeller> yer a good bot ubotu
[03:48] <adventureoflink_> lol
[03:48] <sampan> don't compliment him too much pussfeller -- he'll get a big head
[03:49] <sampan> ;x
[03:49] <sambagirl> morning
[03:50] <sambagirl> anyone knowing windows 2000?
[03:50] <adventureoflink_> whatcha need to know sambagirl
[03:50] <sambagirl> i cannot set video to right.
[03:50] <sambagirl> i keep trying but it just doing 16 colores.
[03:50] <sambagirl> colours
[03:50] <sambagirl> i dont know what to do now.
[03:51] <stupendo44> ok, somehow I screwed up my kicker. I was testing some applets, and now here's what I have. On the left I have the icons that I haven't changed, like Firefox, TB, etc. then my applications, clock, and system tray are centered together. The clock is in the middle and I want it on the right. How can I move this stuff around, and stop it from centering?
[03:51] <sambagirl> i using kubuntu on this computer
[03:51] <stupendo44> sambagirl: you need to install the video driver
[03:51] <adventureoflink_> sambagirl,
[03:51] <sambagirl> i keep trying
[03:51] <adventureoflink_> Yeah, what stupendo44 said
[03:51] <adventureoflink_> that or install a monitor driver
[03:51] <sambagirl> ahhh a moniter driver?
[03:51] <adventureoflink_> Yes,
[03:51] <sambagirl> the screen?
[03:51] <adventureoflink_> Yes.
[03:52] <sambagirl> ahh
[03:52] <stupendo44> sambagirl: the driver for the video card, not the monitor
[03:52] <sambagirl> hold on.
[03:52] <stupendo44> windows doesn't usually have a problem with monitors
[03:52] <adventureoflink_> stupendo44,
[03:52] <adventureoflink_> One time
[03:52] <adventureoflink_> I ran Longhorn 4074 in virtual pc
[03:52] <sambagirl> i kkep trying but it just does not do what is supposed to do.
[03:52] <adventureoflink_> and it ran on like 4-8 colors till i installed the enhancements
[03:52] <stupendo44> sambagirl: go into device manager and see if it says what the video card is. Most of the time it won't, it will say something generic. But it's worth a shot
[03:53] <sambagirl> i know this is kubuntu channel but i am card carrying kubuntu user ;)>
[03:53] <sambagirl> it just shows vga
[03:53] <stupendo44> sambagirl: card carrying... hmm... I should get in on that... :)
[03:53] <adventureoflink_> hmm
[03:53] <sambagirl> i deleted that but then i trying to install the correct ati drivers and then it says i need vga first.
[03:53] <stupendo44> there's a debug command that will help identify the video card. Let me find it again. I forgot it. Meanwhile, load up a command prompt
[03:54] <adventureoflink_> Probably means she has kubuntu setup (or livecd) on a 700mb usb flash drive
[03:54] <sambagirl> yes when i joined kubuntu they send me a black card too.
[03:54] <adventureoflink_> bootable too o.o;
[03:54] <pussfeller> dxdiag?
[03:54] <sambagirl> use dxdiag?
[03:54] <sambagirl> brb
[03:55] <sambagirl> whta really makes me mad is it messes up with explorer. i have to use opera and this is new install. i am so angry with microsoft.
[03:55] <stupendo44> here's how to find out what video card it is:
[03:55] <stupendo44> 1. Load command prompt
[03:55] <stupendo44> 2. Type debug
[03:55] <stupendo44> 3. Hit enter
[03:55] <sambagirl> what is direct draw support?
[03:55] <sambagirl> it wont do windows update or anything.
[03:56] <stupendo44> 4. type d c000:0010
[03:56] <sambagirl> ok
[03:56] <stupendo44> 5. hit enter
[03:56] <stupendo44> 6. if it doesn't show what you need, just hit d then ENTER
[03:56] <stupendo44> that should show you enough info to get a driver
[03:56] <stupendo44> to exit debug, type q then enter
[03:57] <sambagirl> ok brb
[03:57] <sambagirl> dxdiag is neat
[03:57] <sambagirl> brb
[03:57] <stupendo44> you're mainly looking for a manufacturer and a model number. If it's popular, like nvidia or ati then you should be able to go to their website. If not, then you might need driverguide
[03:57] <Knowerrors> Anyone here using the gkt styles fonts engine and have look like kde selected... For some reason, Synaptic isn't following, though all the other apps are, anyone know about this?
[03:58] <stupendo44> Knowerrors: same problem here. Didn't bother asking
[03:58] <sambagirl> wow
[03:58] <stupendo44> Knowerrors: Symantic was at first, but now it isn't
[03:58] <sambagirl> it is rage128 pro II
[03:59] <sambagirl> i am not sure if i get from ati or dell i try ati this time.
[03:59] <sambagirl> brb
[03:59] <sambagirl> thank you everyone
[03:59] <stupendo44> sambagirl: np
[04:00] <stupendo44> sambagirl: should be https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/W2KR128513013279.exe
[04:00] <sambagirl> here is somethign to ponder. go to www.thule.org and download alternative 3 videos and be amazed by the last 1 view last 1 first you will flip. secondly download moon one. this is deep heavy stuff.
[04:00] <deacon> Does anyone know how I can get the mount permission for my username?
[04:00] <stupendo44> sambagirl: referring page is: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[04:00] <pussfeller> anyone had any success with that ext2 driver supposedly runs on windows
[04:01] <sambagirl> thanks
[04:01] <sambagirl> brb
[04:01] <pussfeller> i used ext2explorer with decent success but want more transparency if possible
[04:01] <deacon> pussfeller:  i have had limited success.  But it does tend to cause explorer to crash.
[04:01] <pussfeller> or whatever you know what I mean
[04:01] <stupendo44> ok, thule.org is on the top 50 worst designed websites
[04:02] <pussfeller> i tried it  once and I think my whole system crashed and I was freaked and didnt mess with it no more
[04:02] <juif> ok, i got JACK, ALSA and Ardour talking
[04:02] <pussfeller> i got 200 gigs on FAT32 and I am totally worried about this
[04:02] <juif> but, same as with Audacity, i cant record
[04:02] <deacon> Is there any way to grant my login the "mount" permission?   If it's true, we landde on mars in 1962 and they have the video to show it. It looks like they were flown in a flying saucer its incredible.
[04:03] <pussfeller> deacon you can add it to fstab and in there you can set the 'user' flag so anyone can mount it
[04:04] <sambagirl> then you can see what they saw something moving around on mars!
[04:04] <sambagirl> it's incredible.
[04:04] <pussfeller> theres more info on the wiki somewhere iirc
[04:05] <sambagirl> i think this might be the solution to the video thing.
[04:05] <stupendo44> juif: I couldn't hear you. The bleeping distorted what you said. What was that?
[04:05] <sambagirl> kubuntu is just magnificent
[04:05] <stupendo44> sambagirl: how often do you use windows
[04:06] <deacon> Actually, it's already in Fstab.  I just don't know how to allow anyone other than root to mount it automatically.
[04:06] <sambagirl> mostly for streaming music and video and playing RTCW and ET and TCE and things like that.
[04:06] <juif> heh, the bleeping. well problem is simple, solution may be as well. i just cant record. plays fine, wont record. no software will record audio.
[04:06] <pussfeller> deacon theres a long sting of vars you pass which I can't remember setting the gid and uid
[04:07] <juif> and i havent been able to find the "record" mixer, if you get my meaning
[04:07] <stupendo44> juif: you obviously have a mic plugged in...
[04:07] <juif> i have a mic plugged in and i have tried with line in as well
[04:07] <deacon> Hmm...  When I try 'sudo mount -a'  it errors out and doesn't mount
[04:07] <pussfeller> there might even be a smb mounter helper
[04:08] <juif> i can hear it in the speakers
[04:08] <pussfeller> try 'sudo -a -t smbfs'
[04:08] <juif> but the program wont record it
[04:08] <pussfeller> try 'sudo mount -a -t smbfs'
[04:08] <juif> probably just inputs not routed correctly
[04:08] <deacon> when i check 'dmesg | tail'  I get this showing up  "smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported"
[04:08] <pussfeller> or even sudo mount path_to_mount
[04:08] <stupendo44> juif: the mic mixer should be in KMix with the rest
[04:09] <juif> it is, its at max, i can hear it in the speakers
[04:09] <juif> but its not recording
[04:09] <stupendo44> Menu > Multimedia > Kmix (sound mixer)
[04:09] <juif> i have that open, kmix
[04:09] <pussfeller> is audacity setto use the mic as recording device?
[04:09] <stupendo44> hmm
[04:09] <juif> all the inputs
[04:09] <juif> are at max
[04:10] <juif> where are the REC level faders ?
[04:10] <juif> ALSA seems to be aware of capture ports of some sort
[04:10] <stupendo44> ok, somehow I screwed up my kicker. I was testing some applets, and now here's what I have. On the left I have the icons that I haven't changed, like Firefox, TB, etc. then my applications, clock, and system tray are centered together. The clock is in the middle and I want it on the right. How can I move this stuff around, and stop it from centering?
[04:10] <sambagirl> you might try in #LAD channel for linux audio developers support
[04:11] <deacon> it's wierd.  I can mount this with no problems on my laptop running kubuntu 5.10, that was upgraded from 5.01.  But i cannout mount it on my fresh install of 5.10 X64...
[04:11] <juif> ok, will do
[04:11] <sambagirl> i refuses to work the video drivers brb
[04:11] <pussfeller> stupendo44: click on that little bar to the left of the applet that show up when you hover
[04:11] <pussfeller> and drage
[04:11] <pussfeller> drag
[04:12] <pussfeller> or right click on it and "move"
[04:12] <stupendo44> pussfeller: oh, yeah. I forgot about that. I actually hid those. But now I know how to do it. Thanks
[04:13] <deacon> brb
[04:14] <dataangel> I added the sources on kubuntu.org and upgraded to AmaroK 1.3.7 -- but now it crashes on startup. It shows the splash screen, opens the main window, sits there unresponsive for awhile, then closes. It doesn't print anything to the console. I'm also running KDE 3.5
[04:14] <dataangel> Anyone know how to fix? :P
[04:14] <Tm_T> dataangel: what engine
[04:14] <deacon> gotta relog.  be back
[04:14] <dataangel> Tm_T: I never get far enough to pick one.
[04:14] <sambagirl> does anyone know if dell uses motherboard/gp drivers?
[04:15] <Tm_T> dataangel: interesting, have you installed any engine packages?
[04:15] <dataangel> Tm_T: When I remove amarok it tells me it's also removing amarok-arts and amarok-gstreamer
[04:15] <dataangel> Tm_T: Hmm, maybe I should just try uninstalling one of those
[04:15] <Tm_T> well, you prolly don't use arts engine ever
[04:16] <dataangel> Tm_T: Why not? Isn't arts default for KDE?
[04:16] <dataangel> sweet, uninstall amarok-gstreamer fixed it
[04:16] <Tm_T> arts is really outdated and... well, not as good as gstreamer for example
[04:16] <houn> Well, that was a fast install.
[04:17] <pussfeller> u might be better off with an svn of amarok...
[04:17] <pussfeller> but that might be a little heavy if yer new to linux
[04:17] <dataangel> Tm_T: Can you use gstreamer as the sound server for KDE somehow?
[04:17] <Tm_T> dataangel: no, you don't need any sound servers
[04:17] <Tm_T> you have alsa already
[04:17] <simlu> gstreamer is not a sound server
[04:17] <dataangel> Tm_T: Assuming dmix works for your card
[04:18] <arrinmurr> dataangel: install amarok-xine
[04:18] <dataangel> Tm_T: I am not sure that is the case for me
[04:18] <Tm_T> dataangel: plug:dmix works
[04:18] <dataangel> Tm_T: Not for all sound cards.
[04:18] <Tm_T> it doesn't?
[04:18] <Tm_T> whoa
[04:18] <dataangel> pretty sure
[04:18] <Tm_T> interesting
[04:18] <dataangel> I don't think it worked on nforce for example beginning of last year
[04:18] <Tm_T> I have nforce2
[04:19] <dataangel> I remember reading it's a project of the ALSA team to get dmix working on all cards
[04:19] <Tm_T> and works just fine
[04:19] <pussfeller> aint taht software mixing? how could it not work
[04:19] <dataangel> right, now it does
[04:19] <Tm_T> pussfeller: I was wondering the same
[04:19] <dataangel> no idea
[04:19] <Tm_T> software mixing _should_ work whatever is your soundcard
[04:19] <dataangel> is amarok-xine basically alsa?
[04:19] <Tm_T> nope
[04:20] <pussfeller> xine would be the 'engine' in this case
[04:20] <pussfeller> amarok is just an organizer with nifty tools
[04:20] <dataangel> I mean, will amarok-xine play through it
[04:20] <Tm_T> xine just changes packed audio to sound stream for alsa
[04:20] <Tm_T> just like gstreamer does
[04:20] <pussfeller> and does the format decoding
[04:20] <Tm_T> pussfeller: exactly
[04:21] <dataangel> What external player can I set in kcontrol to play oggs?
[04:21] <Tm_T> ogg123 or alsaplayer or... well, almost any console app
[04:21] <houn> Question: root passwd after install?
[04:22] <Tm_T> houn: none
[04:22] <pussfeller> !root
[04:22] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[04:22] <houn> ubuntulog: Can't.  No DNS right now, hense the need for root.
[04:22] <pussfeller> yer supposed to use 'sudo' for all root commands
[04:22] <houn> Er, that's a bot
[04:22] <pussfeller> hes a very nice bot too
[04:23] <sambagirl> i think my problem was it did not have direct x installed. microsoft makes it very difficult to download this thing too.
[04:23] <dataangel> ogg123 is trying to use esd
[04:23] <houn> I've never used sudo before.  Always just su.
[04:23] <houn> Hmm...
[04:23] <sambagirl> su = super user what does do do ?
[04:23] <pussfeller> the way ubuntu hadles root is to disable the root password, and have users use sudo to preface any commands that require root priveleigeds
[04:24] <awb4422> I have an inspiron 8200 and I'm trying to get the volume keys to work. I'm trying to find information for kmilo - would anyone be able to enlighten me on kmilo and/or how to set it up? The service is running, I dont know what else to do.
[04:25] <Tm_T> dataangel: wtf, well, switches
[04:25] <Tm_T> dataangel: humm, install alsaplayer and some stuff related to it, I'll make a script
[04:26] <houn> pussfeller: And I'm seeing it just uses your standard password?
[04:26] <houn> pussfeller: As opposed to some wacky root passwd?
[04:29] <Tm_T> dataangel: especially install alsaplayer text forntend
[04:29] <houn> Hmm.  Ok, everything looks right, but network is still down.  What am I missing...? *random mumblings*
[04:33] <houn> Help me out here.  When I try to access anything beyond my router box, I get "connect: Network is unreachable"
[04:36] <houn> Anyone?  No?
[04:36] <Tm_T> houn: sounds like it's your router
[04:37] <Tm_T> dataangel: miracle is: alsaplayer -d plug:dmix -l 0.5 -i text -q $*
[04:37] <Tm_T> half volume, plud:dmix and ofcourse alsa :)
[04:37] <Tm_T> dataangel: you can test it by replacing $* with any file
[04:38] <houn> Ok, that's probably the issue.  The GUI network config isn't holding the Gateway IP after Applying.
[04:38] <houn> Where do you set the default gateway on Kubuntu?
[04:38] <houn> Manually, that is.
[04:39] <Tm_T> houn: use wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <Tm_T> I bet it's there
[04:39] <houn> Tm_T: If I had a working web browser, I would ;D
[04:40] <Tm_T> aaah
[04:40] <Tm_T> sorry
[04:40] <Tm_T> hum ti dummm
[04:40] <houn> i'm sshed into my server box, and running IRC from there.
[04:40] <Tm_T> heh
[04:40] <houn> I suppose I could see if I ever installed a console browser...
[04:41] <Tm_T> lynx/w3m
[04:41] <Tm_T> links2 too
[04:42] <houn> Yeah, I've got lynx on here.
[04:43] <Tm_T> dataangel: you're still with me?
[04:44] <Tm_T> damn
[04:44] <Tm_T> all this work and what for... ;)
[04:44] <houn> ...I hate browsing via console
[04:44] <Tm_T> hehe
[04:44] <Tm_T> its refreshing
[04:45] <Tm_T> atleast you don't need adblock
[04:45] <bimberi> houn: /etc/network/interfaces - look for a gateway line
[04:45] <houn> All I need to know is the name of the file where it stores the gateway.  I've been on Gentoo too long, it seems, where EVERYTHING was in /etc/conf.d/
[04:45] <Tm_T> heh
[04:45] <houn> bimberi: You, sir or ma'am, are a godsend
[04:46] <sambagirl> can you upgrade from 2000 to xp and save your data?
[04:46] <Tm_T> sorry, I wasn't sure if just pointing the file is enough... so I didn't
[04:46] <bimberi> houn: :)
[04:47] <houn> Tm_T: Heh, s'ok.  I'm no fool, but this is my first time on a Debian-based system.  In the past, it's been Redhat and Gentoo, both which have their own ways of running things, hehe
[04:48] <houn> bimberi: BAM!  I've got internet!
[04:48] <Tm_T> aye
[04:48] <bimberi> houn: yay!
[04:48] <Tm_T> houn: sorry 'bout that, and good you got it working :)
[04:48] <Tm_T> humm, breakfast...
[04:48] <Tm_T> feed me!
[04:48] <houn> Tm_T: Nah, it's cool.
[04:48] <Tm_T> more
[04:49] <bimberi> cat bacon-&-eggs >> Tm_T
[04:49] <Tm_T> :p
[04:50] <houn> Lessie, inet back, what's next?
[04:50] <houn> Ah, Video.
[04:50] <Tm_T> humm, coffee, good bread (home baked ofcourse) some meat and cheese with it... that's start
[04:51] <Steil> Does anyone know what package is required for kde applications to send/recieve files and such from the network (for "network copying" or whatever)
[04:52] <tuxracer> does anyone know how to get runescape to work in konqueror?
[04:55] <z0rz> How do I make a application run on boot up?
[04:56] <houn> Hey, why does using sudo ask for passwd sometimes, but not others?
[04:57] <trappist> houn: it asks for it once, and it caches the password for 15 minutes
[04:57] <z0rz> because you already typed it
[04:57] <houn> gotcha
[04:58] <trappist> z0rz: I'm looking forward to hearing the answer to your question
[04:58] <z0rz> well I know how to do it on GNOME
[04:58] <z0rz> but not KDE
[04:58] <trappist> oh not bootup, but login
[04:58] <trappist> make a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:58] <trappist> and make it executable
[04:58] <psyk> whast the deal with *.rin files?
[04:58] <psyk> *.run
[04:58] <trappist> psyk: sh filename.run
[05:04] <juif> is it normal for kubuntu, sitting idle, to use 188 of my 192 megs of ram ?
[05:05] <Tm_T> juif: yes
[05:05] <juif> and, can i make it use less ?
[05:05] <Tm_T> yes and no
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> yes, it's normal for linux. As you use your system linux will keep a lot of your filesystem operations buffered, it will clear them as needed.
[05:05] <Tm_T> why should you
[05:05] <juif> oh
[05:05] <juif> so
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> juif: if you do, it will be slower.
[05:05] <juif> i dont get it
[05:06] <juif> do i have ram accessible ?
[05:06] <Tm_T> my system uses 300M ram all the time, idle and active
[05:06] <Tm_T> juif: yes
[05:06] <juif> any way to know what the actual usage load is ?
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> juif: basically linux says,"Well, nothing else is using this memory right now, so I'll use it to store files that you might open again."
[05:06] <juif> oh
[05:06] <Tm_T> juif: free
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> juif: run 'free' from command line, look under +/- buffers
[05:06] <Tm_T> -/+ buffers/cache:     307316     727496
[05:06] <Tm_T> hummm
[05:07] <Tm_T> and very active syste
[05:07] <Tm_T> m
[05:07] <juif> cached is available ?
[05:07] <juif> uuh
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> under the column free - next to +/- buffers.
[05:07] <juif> oh
[05:07] <juif> ok
[05:07] <Tm_T> well, it's cached but can be used by programs if needed
[05:07] <juif> ok i see it
[05:08] <juif> my ram is about half used
[05:08] <Tm_T> like my system, uses 300M ram plus all free is used by cache/buffer
[05:09] <juif> your system uses 300m
[05:09] <Tm_T> so, if some app needs lots of ram, cache/buffer just gives it to prog
[05:09] <Tm_T> yes
[05:09] <juif> thats a lot of ram :)
[05:09] <Tm_T> actually not
[05:09] <Tm_T> I have all sort of programs running in 8 desktpos
[05:09] <Tm_T> desktops
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> My total mem used is 739968, almost all of it's 1 gig. But take away buffers and it's about 350M of ram in use. And I have a lot of crap going on here.
[05:10] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:10] <juif> from the perspective of someone stuck with a machine with 192mb of memory its a lot :)
[05:10] <Tm_T> just killed konqueror, only 260 used anymore :p
[05:10] <juif> i gotta get a gig
[05:11] <Tm_T> juif: well you wouldn't have over 20 windows open here and there
[05:11] <houn> Bam.  Twinview.
[05:12] <juif> how come its accessing the swap drive then
[05:12] <juif> if its got all that ram available ?
[05:12] <houn> I was never a big fan of Gui Configs anyway, hehehe
[05:12] <Tm_T> juif: well, in your amount of ram, swap is needed, but it's not bad thing
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> maybe I should wait until tomorrow to download dapper when I have 6mbit instead of 3:)
[05:13] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: nah!
[05:13] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: just do upgrade
[05:13] <rance> Ive had a strange occurance over the last two days, a couple of days ago, I had an app crash while trying to access the cdrom, I couldnt quit the app, and I couldnt eject the cdrom, from a terminal window I had to type "sudo eject cdrom" since then, I can not eject the cd any other way, I have to type the command always, I figured a restart would clear it, but that didnt work, its been so long now, I dont even remember the app th
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: no, I'm not prepared for breakage on this system. Well, not totally. I'm installing dapper to a separate partition I keep just for playing with devel versions :)
[05:13] <Tm_T> :(
[05:13] <Tm_T> why?! ;(
[05:14] <Tm_T> + does
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: I can't be w/o working stuff. At least with 2 / partitions with different versions I can fall back to breezy.
[05:15] <Tm_T> humm, brand new amaroK, Kicker and Kopete running, time to compile KOffice
[05:15] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: same here, but I like living in the edge ;)
[05:15] <Tm_T> hum hum
[05:16] <Tm_T> there's always something to compile =)
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: I do too, but I swear every time I do something with my desktop system and I have it down, something will break at work and I'll be left w/o a machine to get into the servers, etc...
[05:16] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:17] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: you can have one spare pc from me, I have 6 here
[05:17] <Tm_T> most of them are just fine for running irssi ;)
[05:18] <Tm_T> KOffice and KDEPim compiling, now breakfast ->
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: hehe, no thanks. I have enough servers to admin, I don't want to have multiple machines to admin at home too. :)
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> mostly just a pain to keep all the tools and files synced between multiple desktops. Nothing more fun than going from one machine to another and realizing I don't have password for system X on this machien and the other machine is 50 miles away turned off.
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> amarok using 50% cpu, tha'ts a good sign.
[05:24] <juif> might be a stupid question but i have to ask, do all applications with a GUI require a desktop environment ?
[05:24] <juif> ex: could i command-prompt the gimp or ardour or something ?
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> juif: well, they don't need a desktop environment, but they do need X server to connect to, and any libraries they depend on.
[05:26] <juif> any way i could get that thing running, and boot this machine straight into command prompt, freeing the ram needed by KDE, and open what i need to work with from there ?
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> X is responsible for drawing to your video card, a desktop environment draws it's stuff through X. So you can run X w/o gnome or kde, and you basically get nothing on the screen.
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and you can install much smaller/lighter desktops than kde too. like blackbox or fvwm, etc.. there are quite a few to choose from.
[05:27] <juif> oh.
[05:27] <juif> are they any good ?
[05:28] <juif> hm.. that i guess i can determine by looking around, real question would be, can i do that ?
[05:28] <juif> with kubuntu
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> juif: yeah, but basically features == bloat. So you'll miss out on a lot of stuff that more full featured (and RAM hungry) user interfaces offer.
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> juif: sure can.
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> juif: just have to install them, then they should be selectable from your login screen.
[05:29] <juif> oh really
[05:29] <juif> that sounds good
[05:30] <juif> are there any in the universe multiverse thing ?
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I think you'll find pretty much anything you want to try is available in the repositories already so you won't need to compile anything.
[05:31] <juif> any other cool repositories i could add on top of the two already in the list ?
[05:31] <juif> in that whatever config file thing ?
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> juif: if you have universe and multiverse - and of course main then you are pretty set. universe is where most everything is.
[05:32] <juif> ok
[05:33] <juif> do you know offhand what the name of that file is ? i want to give it a look over make sure all 3 are enabled
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> best bet is probably to load adept (package manager for kde) and search for window manager (make sure it's searching in descriptions as well as title), there are a lot.
[05:33] <LeeJunFan>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> to edit it use 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:36] <juif> how can i make it search descriptions too ?
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> juif: I guess adept will be default.
[05:37] <juif> ah
[05:37] <juif> it seems to do it default
[05:38] <flipjarg> Is there any way to get my wireless card to auto enable when i plug it in after startup?
[05:39] <flipjarg> !info wlan
[05:39] <juif> i just installed blackbox from adept, so theres nothing else i need to do, exept reboot and watch the screen ?
[05:39] <flipjarg> !info k3b-mpt3
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: I don't know of any GUI util, but you can edit your /etc/network/interfaces file. man interfaces
[05:39] <flipjarg> that's what i was hoping to do, edit a script. i didn't know where it would be though.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: I don't know if the manpage documents it but you can put anything in the interfaces file under a device and prefix it with wireless- to set wireless settings.
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: ie. under ath0 you can put wireless-essid [essid] , any iwconfig args can be used there.
[05:42] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: ok... i don't know much about that but i will take a look at the file to see if i can do it, otherwise i might need to ask a couple more questions if the man doens't help. Thank you :-)
[05:43] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: i think i found it. Would it be 'hotplug'?
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: no, it should do that all automatically.
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: if you open a console and type iwconfig can you see your wireless devices listed with some info?
[05:44] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: Yes
[05:45] <flipjarg> But it doesn't connect to the network automaticly
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: then it's just that interfaces file needs to know how to set it up when you boot.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: how are you getting it to work manually?
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> BTW, where in Michigan are you? I'm in Cheboygan.
[05:46] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: going into network settings and clicking admin mode then enabling ath0
[05:47] <flipjarg> i'm not in michigan
[05:47] <flipjarg> i don't know why my ip shows up like that.
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: first thing is to add a line to the top of /etc/network/interfaces like the one for lo that says 'auto ath0'.
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: hehe.
[05:48] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: there is a line like that already. But it's not at the top.
[05:48] <abid> hi
[05:48] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: Do i need to add ip's like the lines below that?
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: it doesn't really need to be, I just keep mine grouped so it doesn't get messy.
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: if you don't use DHCP you need IP's, but I'm guessing you do use DHCP.
[05:49] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: Yes, i do.
[05:49] <abid> Hi
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: can you paste your /etc/network/interface file to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com and send me the link? I'll take a look at it.
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> s/interface/interfaces
[05:50] <flipjarg> i was just thinking of showing you my script somehow.
[05:51] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: Send you /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> no, just paste it to that url for pastebin, then send me the link to it.
[05:52] <flipjarg> just making sure you wanted that file.... doing it now.
[05:52] <flipjarg> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/507730
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: right, do you have more than one wireless network your machine can see, and do you use WEP?
[05:54] <flipjarg> There are a bunch of networks around me, all of them except for two use WEP, one of them i cannot get a connection too and the other is my network.
[05:54] <flipjarg> i don not use wep
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: okay, well that's probably why yours doesn't just work right away in the first place, since no essid is specified in your interfaces file it's probably joining the wrong one.
[05:55] <flipjarg> ok
[05:55] <donkeypuncher> can someone help me install this pci card stratitec usb2.0 card
[05:55] <flipjarg> my card doesn't blink at all it's just a solid color when i put it in untill i enable it.
[05:56] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: untill i enable it manually that is.
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/507734
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: hrm, don't know if that's the same issue, but anyway, if you add the wireless-essid [your network name]  under the iface ath0 line like I showed there it should at least join the right network.
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: there is a possibility you want to change auto ath0 to allow-hotplug ath0 also.
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: oh - and don't use the [] 's in the file.
[06:01] <flipjarg> ok, so change the []  and everything in it to my network name then?
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: right like wireless-essid mynet
[06:02] <flipjarg> i'll see if it works right now as it was then i'll try allow-hotplug ath0. First i have to change the network name.
[06:02] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: ok got it.
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> yeah, you should just be able to run ifdown ath0 ; ifup ath0
[06:03] <flipjarg> oh, is that like 'service restart pcmcia'?
[06:03] <flipjarg> does it do the same thing?
[06:04] <flipjarg> sort of.
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> no, it just takes the interface down and up, you probably will want to pop the card since it may be the hotplug that's doing it.
[06:04] <flipjarg> ok, i'm going to give it a go now. brb
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> brb
[06:05] <nrdb> I am getting two messages repeated a lot in /var/log/messages "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0)." and "atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known." anyone know how to fix this?
[06:09] <juif> mega thanks to whoever just reccomended the blackbox desktop. its a little wonder.
[06:09] <Tm_T> true
[06:09] <juif> any more cool small desktops like that you can reccomend ?
[06:09] <Tm_T> juif: you could also try fluxbox or openbox
[06:10] <juif> it even runs all the kde apps :)
[06:10] <Tm_T> juif: you have to remember that those are not full desktop environments like KDE, Gnome or XFCE
[06:10] <Tm_T> juif: ofcourse
[06:10] <Tm_T> juif: you can run BlackBox in KDE too
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> juif: I used to like windowmaker too - and you're welcome.
[06:11] <juif> yeah i know, but i just need to open my programs, then i dont need any further "environment"
[06:11] <Tm_T> or KDesktop on BlackBox or... well
[06:11] <Tm_T> juif: aye
[06:11] <Tm_T> you can mix stuff as much as you like
[06:11] <Tm_T> and yes WindowMaker <3
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> I remember when I used to run Enlightenment and kwin on top of that.
[06:12] <Tm_T> humm,:)
[06:12] <Tm_T> whoops
[06:12] <Tm_T> humm, compilation errors
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: what are you compiling - the whole KDE?
[06:13] <nrdb> I am getting two messages repeated a lot in /var/log/messages "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0)." and "atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known." anyone know how to fix this?
[06:13] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: just some apps from svn
[06:13] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: KOffice now, let's see if it's in the code or just me
[06:14] <Tm_T> this what I do most of these days :p
[06:15] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> still can't get ssh working right on the damn thing, that's tomorrows battle.
[06:15] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1f.png
[06:16] <Tm_T> that's another thing I do
[06:16] <juif> any idea how i could change the background color of the windows from white to black, its driving me nuts :) (in blackbox)
[06:17] <Tm_T> juif: you should install some config tools
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: nice, now make me one for my widescreen :)
[06:17] <juif> as ?
[06:17] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: you want? I can, in a second, just tell me the size
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: 1680x1050 - and thanks. :)
[06:18] <Tm_T> no problemo
[06:18] <houn> Hmm.
[06:18] <houn> What's the package for Firefox?
[06:18] <juif> hmm.. found something in the universe
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> houn: mozilla-firefox
[06:19] <houn> LeeJunFan: I tried that, get an error about it not having any candidates, but being referenced by another package.
[06:19] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: 1680?
[06:19] <yellowdart> anybody know of a way to auto-format a phone number when syncing with kpilot (ie: number originally entered as<PHONE_NUMBER>, formatted to<PHONE_NUMBER> or something like that)
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: yeah, 1680x1050
[06:20] <Tm_T> o   k
[06:20] <yellowdart> ...or do i have to export to csv...run a script then re-import
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> houn: actually mine says it's just firefox
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> junfan@jkd:~$ dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/firefox
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> firefox: /usr/bin/firefox
[06:22] <houn> Hmm, same error.
[06:22] <Tm_T> humm humm
[06:23] <Tm_T> yellowdart: sorry, I have no idea
[06:25] <houn> That fixed it.  Had to open up more respositories.
[06:25] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: wanna give it a try?
[06:26] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: Hello again. It's working!
[06:26] <yellowdart> Tm_T: well, it's easy enough to write a script to traverse a csv file...but these are numbers that i'm getting from my treo600...would rather it work automatically :-/
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: cool, was it the essid or the hotplug?
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> or something else?
[06:27] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: i took out the ssid part so that it would just connect to any open network. i think the thing that was not allowing me to connect was hotplug
[06:27] <yellowdart> Tm_T: thanks anyhow...maybe i can do it on my mac...then import to here
[06:27] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: pretty sure it was hotplug
[06:27] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan: Thanks so much for the help. You've save me quite a bit of hassel in the future. No more manually enabling!
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: thanks :)
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> flipjarg: np.
[06:28] <flipjarg> LeeJunFan:  i must be off to bed i have work early tomorrow. i'll see you around.
[06:28] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: no problemo
[06:28] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: see my privmsgs, now some inkscape ->
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: yeah, that looks better, tough to find good backgrounds for widescreens.
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> I can make other peoples visions come to life, but I'm not reall good at the envisioning part.
[06:30] <nrdb> I am getting two messages repeated a lot in /var/log/messages "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0)." and "atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known." anyone know how to fix this?
[06:32] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: me neither, I just do...
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> Part of my problem is I'm not very patient. Which is why I don't run windows, my computer would have a .45 slug in it.
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> or since it's a laptop - through it.
[06:34] <Tm_T> I can spend days just painting pixel by pixel...
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: I have no problems writing code, or debugging, reading coding manuals, but graphics and html I just don't like to spend time on.
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> oh, and as long as the coding isn't perl.
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> C, php, python, all alright. PERL == ice cream headache.
[06:37] <Tm_T> :p
[06:37] <nrdb> how can I find out what keycodes aren't used?
[06:38] <Tm_T> ok, no inkscape then
[06:38] <Tm_T> and nothing that requires cpu
[06:38] <Tm_T> or hd
[06:38] <LeeJunFan> nrdb: sorry, I can't help you, but since it seems to be a system wide type thing you might have more luck in #ubuntu where there are more people.
[06:39] <nrdb> LeeJunFan: thanks I will try there
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> I don't understand why that is though, I've never meat anyone face to face who prefers gnome over anything, yet #ubuntu has so many more people than #kubuntu. Is it perhaps that more of the KDE people are enticed to run something like Mandrake or Suse?
[06:43] <LeeJunFan> I can't imagine why.
[06:46] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: brainwashing goverment
[06:47] <jager> boredbored
[06:47] <jager> someone break something so i'll have something to do
[06:48] <Monketh> #ubuntu would seem more official.
[06:48] <LeeJunFan> jager: such as?
[06:48] <LeeJunFan> Monketh: yeah, personally I don't see the need for 2 channels.
[06:48] <Monketh> OK: wine on Kubuntu amd64!
[06:48] <jager> i dunno, i just got this thing working
[06:48] <jager> and you know that once things work they are boring
[06:50] <LeeJunFan> Monketh: dunno about wine but codeweavers works fine. Even though I installed it in my $HOME when my system was running i386, switched to i86_64 and same binaries still run, so codeweavers must be statically linked.
[06:50] <Monketh> Hm, I suppose I'll just try some i386 binaries then.
[06:50] <LeeJunFan> crossover that is.
[06:50] <Monketh> Although last time I tried wine it locked X and froze the computer. :P
[06:51] <LeeJunFan> Monketh: then it was working just fine.
[06:51] <LeeJunFan> Monketh: since that's what windows would do too :)
[06:51] <jager> hahaha
[06:51] <Monketh> Come now, everyone knows wine is not a emulator. :P
[06:52] <Monketh> Although it can sucessfully use some viruses
[06:52] <Monketh> an*
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> Monketh: yeah, like internet explorer.
[06:53] <Monketh> Anywho, W2K and WXP really want to be decent OS's, somewhere deep inside...
[06:53] <Monketh> But I gotta sleep, so au revoir.
[06:53] <jager> later Monketh
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, as vista is becoming more and more like unix. Separated the GUI from the kernel, added symlinks. etc...
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> later.
[06:54] <jager> i have faith that it'll manage to be a cockup just like the rest
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but it doesn't matter since the majority of the population are a bunch of cock-gobblers.
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> I think in microsofts seat of power, they could re-release windows 3.11 as their next version and everyone would just start using it like the bunch of sheep they are.
[06:57] <jager> hey 3.11 separated the gui and the kernel
[06:57] <jager> such as it was
[06:57] <jager> hah
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> hehe, true.
[06:57] <jager> everything old is new again!
[06:58] <jager> and think how fast it'd run on todays hardware
[06:58] <jager> way faster than XP :)
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but none of your hardware would work since it's all USB nowadays.
[06:59] <jager> hey now, driver support is not microsoft's problem :)
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> no support is.
[07:00] <jager> too right
[07:00] <jager> "call your oem"
[07:00] <jager> fuckers
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> yep.
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> Or pay some huge amount per min for phone support.
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> And everyone's answer to anything is to re-install.
[07:01] <jager> you gotta admit it works
[07:01] <jager> most of the time anyway
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and if I had to support MS that's what I'd say too.
[07:01] <jager> maybe vista will have decent logfiles
[07:01] <jager> that'd help
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> It's not worth the trouble to try to not only talk someone though registry editing, but finding the offending non-documented feature is impossible.
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> yeah, error messages that are more than an address in memory would be helpful.
[07:02] <jager> if i'm lucky i'll never have to worry about it again
[07:03] <jager> </ex support tech>
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> Should make a new law, any software should give the work and home phone #'s of the copyright holder. They'd shape up then.
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> give them with any error message.
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> if only the software were available for linux, MS would be in trouble then. Quickbooks, adobe, macromedia, games, etc... That's why people are still running windows.
[07:07] <jager> interesting that no microsoft software made your list there ....
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> heh, didn't even notice that. Although I will say that MS Office and Flight Sim are very nice pieces of software, they should just not make operating systems.
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> or browsers
[07:08] <juif> i dont seem to be able to use bbconf to change the background or text colors in terminal windows on blackbox.
[07:08] <jager> or email clients
[07:09] <jager> bbiab
[07:16] <juif> uh oh
[07:16] <juif> guys, i think i broke my kubuntu
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> why's that?
[07:17] <juif> while trying to install 3 desktop environments at once
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> shouldn't make any difference.
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> but what ones did you install?
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> they should simply be added to the list on your kdm login screen.
[07:18] <juif> since i did that i got strange errors and  "no write access to /home/juif/.ICEauthority" and "could not read network connection list /home/juif/.DCOPserver_grossebitch__0"
[07:18] <juif> i tried to install openbox and fluxbox plus their addon config programs
[07:18] <juif> 0oh, and KDE apps wont run right
[07:18] <juif> unless i sudo them
[07:18] <juif> KDE desktop itself just wont run
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> sudo was your problem in the first place I bet.
[07:19] <juif> how so ?
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> you should not use sudo to run kde apps, because permissions can get hosed.
[07:19] <juif> i used sudo for adept a couple times cause it wont run elsewise
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> first try this - sudo chown -R juif.juif /home/juif
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> juif: you should use kdesu adept
[07:20] <juif> it runs in read only and is useless, although i bet i can command line call them with apt-get or something
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> juif: yeah, you can do that.
[07:20] <juif> what other times should i kdesu ?
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> you will also need to chown some dirs in /tmp and /var/tmp that have your username associated with them.
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> any kde application you run as root you should use kdesu.
[07:21] <juif> problem seems to be solved with the chown command
[07:21] <sampan> juif, have you updated your breezy install?  if you can't run adept from the kmenu, that sounds to me like the "admin bug" (which was fixed in the first week after release in updated packages)
[07:21] <juif> its something i downloaded from the site a week ago
[07:21] <juif> a cd image
[07:22] <sampan> that's the 'stock' install -- which has the bug.  when breezy shipped quite a few people ran into a bug with 'admin mode' and kdesu stuff
[07:22] <juif> how do i know what dirs in /tmp and /var/tmp i should chown ?
[07:22] <juif> i am having trouble with the admin mode
[07:22] <juif> in kde config things
[07:22] <sampan> yeah -- if you update your system, it'll be fixed
[07:22] <juif> i will look for that update
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> juif: yeah, you should do updates, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and uncomment the updates and security related lines, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:26] <cyberbuddy> hello
[07:26] <cyberbuddy> anyone alive?
[07:26] <juif> am i gonna need a reboot ? after updates ?
[07:27] <sampan> juif, only if it's a kernel image or something -- otherwise, no -- updates are almost always applied without any rebooting (or even a logout)
[07:28] <juif> oh, and where do i change the background image ? im using openbox until i can figure out how to change colors in blackbox terminal windows :) and it kept the stock kubuntu on world map background, i want it to be something else. or a blank screen.
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> juif: if you do apt-get upgrade it shouldn't upgrade your kernel, if you do dist-upgrade it will.
[07:29] <juif> i gather a dist-upgrade isnt needed at this point ?
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> juif: likely not.
[07:30] <LeeJunFan> juif: you can always try dist-upgrade and see what it says it's going to update and just hit N when it asks if you really want to do it.
[07:30] <cyberbuddy> anyone ever install ubuntu on a dell?
[07:30] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: inspiron 8000
[07:31] <cyberbuddy> giving an error about dell's fat16 util partiton on the first drive (installing kubuntu on second drive second partition)
[07:31] <LeeJunFan> yellowdart: you have an I8000 that works?
[07:31] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: yeah
[07:31] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: works great actually
[07:31] <cyberbuddy> is that error normal w/ dells?
[07:31] <LeeJunFan> yellowdart: how long before you had to take it apart and replug your video? Or your keyboard tit started moving the cursor on it's own?
[07:32] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: never had those probs
[07:32] <LeeJunFan> yellowdart: no kidding. In the company I worked for a few years ago 6 employees got them, only one didn't have those problems.
[07:32] <LeeJunFan> All bought at different times too, some were actually 8100's.
[07:32] <vega-> is it possible to remove gnome altogether from kubuntu?
[07:33] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: yeah...the only problem i ran into was the initial install...tried 5.10 and had to resort to 5.04 and then remove the CDROM from sources.list
[07:33] <LeeJunFan> vega-: yeah, but be careful it may be intertwined with other packages. apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:33] <cyberbuddy> no one answered my Q :-/
[07:33] <cyberbuddy> is that eror normal w/ dells?
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: what's the error?
[07:34] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: what error is it giving??
[07:34] <cyberbuddy> giving an error about dell's fat16 util partiton on the first drive (installing kubuntu on second drive second partition)
[07:34] <cyberbuddy> that it has uncorrectable errors
[07:34] <cyberbuddy> and asks to continue or go back and fix
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> ah, you should just be able to ignore it. continue
[07:34] <cyberbuddy> i dont want my first drive touched
[07:35] <cyberbuddy> why is it even checking it?
[07:35] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: most likely the util partition is for suspend-to-disk...when your system sleeps
[07:35] <cyberbuddy> ah
[07:35] <LeeJunFan> problem is the partition is marked as being something linux thinks it can understand and it wants to mount it for you when you get linux working.
[07:35] <vega-> LeeJunFan: thanks, that was what i was looking for
[07:35] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: it should be something like the total size of your ram plus video ram...maybe a few extra MB to be safe
[07:36] <yellowdart> not very big really
[07:36] <cyberbuddy> linux can read FAT16?
[07:36] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: yeah, it can...dosfsutils
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and ntfs, and fat32, and reiserfs, and amiga FFS, and about 30 others.
[07:36] <cyberbuddy> ah, yellowdart, its 39mb
[07:36] <jager> can it write ntfs yet?
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> jager: not natively.
[07:36] <cyberbuddy> i have 1gb ram plus 256mb video ram
[07:37] <jager> didn't think so
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> jager: there a kernel mod which somehow uses a winelike thing that uses microsofts DLL file.
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> jager: so there is a way to do it, safely supposedly.
[07:37] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: well, maybe it's something with the bios...i know that's generally how big it would be on my laptop
[07:37] <cyberbuddy> yeah, it is
[07:38] <cyberbuddy> windows xp's disk management sees it as "EISA Configuration"
[07:38] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: well, you should be able to disregard that partition altogether...
[07:38] <cyberbuddy> yeah
[07:38] <cyberbuddy> just was wondering why its even checking my first drive
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> Extended ISA, plug and play data basically. So the system can remember and assign the same IRQ's to ISA cards you put in it.
[07:39] <cyberbuddy> im very paranoid.. i have my LIFE on the first drive, i dont want it touched
[07:39] <cyberbuddy> oh ok
[07:39] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: it's because linux sees all the drives that are plugged in still...
[07:40] <cyberbuddy> oh
[07:40] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: it won't mess with it unless you tell it to. Just make sure you format and partition NOT hda. :)
[07:40] <cyberbuddy> sda for me ;)
[07:40] <LeeJunFan> okay. hehe
[07:40] <cyberbuddy> lol
[07:41] <cyberbuddy> what about the master boot record
[07:41] <cyberbuddy> i dont want it touched
[07:41] <cyberbuddy> does the installer ask where to install the boot loader?
[07:41] <cyberbuddy> on which disk that is..
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: well, w/o doing that you won't be able to tell your machine to boot linux.
[07:41] <cyberbuddy> i have NTLDR loading GRUB, thats covered
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: yeah, but your bios isn't going to look at the second drive for bootcode.
[07:41] <cyberbuddy> its worked before on my second HDD with mac OSX
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: okay, then yeah, you can install your grub to sdb or whatever.
[07:42] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: well...the setup auto detects any other OS's you may have installed and adds them to the Grub menu...
[07:42] <cyberbuddy> even there on other disks?
[07:42] <yellowdart> yeah
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: yes.
[07:42] <cyberbuddy> ah ok
[07:43] <cyberbuddy> losing my MBR, i dont care as much as my data getting f-ed, since i can recover data even though MBR is f-ed
[07:43] <cyberbuddy> thanks your help :)
[07:43] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: worst case...M$ has an MBR repair on their install cd's in recovery mode
[07:44] <cyberbuddy> yeah, ive heard of that
[07:44] <cyberbuddy> i wish MS never existed
[07:44] <cyberbuddy> we're so used and depend on their OS
[07:44] <cyberbuddy> or else i wouldnt have windows, just linux
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> if it wasn't microsoft it'd be some other bastard :)
[07:45] <yellowdart> http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-index.php?page=En
[07:45] <cyberbuddy> hahah *cough* apple *cough*
[07:45] <yellowdart> super grub disk...fixes grub in a pinch
[07:45] <yellowdart> hey, i dont have a single M$ machine here... just penguins and apples
[07:45] <yellowdart> :)
[07:46] <jager> woo
[07:46] <cyberbuddy> hahaha
[07:46] <cyberbuddy> yellowdart, ever try osx86?
[07:47] <jager> ooo i've been wanting to try that
[07:47] <LeeJunFan> I can't give up my flight sims yet :)
[07:47] <jager> since i have no bling to buy an apple
[07:47] <cyberbuddy> used to have it, network and audio didnt work
[07:47] <LeeJunFan> I wonder if I could get longbow 2 to run in wine.
[07:47] <cyberbuddy> i removed it to install kubuntu
[07:47] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: i can run osx faster on my mac ;) ...i'll wait till the wallet can afford a new intel mac to try the real deal
[07:48] <cyberbuddy> hahah yes
[07:48] <cyberbuddy> im poor :(
[07:48] <yellowdart> eh, me too...but that doesnt stop me. hehe
[07:48] <cyberbuddy> inter core duo i think is what the intel imac's have
[07:48] <cyberbuddy> hahah
[07:48] <cyberbuddy> *intel
[07:49] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: yeah, so do the MacBook Pro's
[07:49] <jager> how do i get all my hard drives to show up in the "storage media" tab in konq?
[07:49] <jager> it only shows my external firewire drive
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> jager: they need to have entries in /etc/fstab and their mountpoint needs to be inside the /media directory, man fstab
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> and man mount
[07:51] <jager> thanks
[07:51] <yellowdart> jager: one thing you can do... (right-click desktop) Configure Desktop >> Behavior >> Device Icons
[07:51] <jager> oh hey i can get them off my desktop, good deal
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> yellowdart: yeah, or that, but for some reason doesn't work as well as advertized, at least not for me.
[07:52] <yellowdart> you can have any mounted/unmounted media show up on the desktop
[07:52] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: personally, i dont use that...i like fstab and a terminal myself ;)
[07:52] <yellowdart> good ol' mount/umount
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> same here.
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> although I did setup static icons on my desktop for my external USB drive.
[07:54] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: actually, i guess MOST of the time it's 'svn update'... :)
[07:54] <yellowdart> hehe
[07:55] <yellowdart> all my external drives are ssh
[07:55] <cyberbuddy> you can run KDE on a mac? wtf
[07:57] <yellowdart> cyberbuddy: yeah, there are many ways actually...you can get it through fink...or install kubuntu (or pick your flavor *nix/bsd) or virtual pc
[07:57] <cyberbuddy> look at this guy: *can i paste links here?*
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> cyberbuddy: sure.
[07:58] <cyberbuddy> http://www.deviantart.com/view/9754542/
[07:59] <LeeJunFan> omg - that's some resolution.
[07:59] <jager> kde on macosx is just weird
[08:00] <jager> aqua rules my face though
[08:00] <cyberbuddy> haahah
[08:00] <cyberbuddy> i have a 19 inch LCD
[08:00] <cyberbuddy> 1280x1024
[08:00] <cyberbuddy> that guy has like two
[08:01] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I'm running 1680x1050 on my lappy.
[08:01] <jager> mmm i'd love to trade my 19" crts for lcds
[08:01] <jager> that's be kickass
[08:01] <cyberbuddy> 1680x1050, damn
[08:01] <yellowdart> 2880x1200 is what i've got...
[08:01] <cyberbuddy> holy crap rich people
[08:02] <jager> 2560x1024 dual display
[08:02] <cyberbuddy> yellowdart, how big is your screen?
[08:02] <yellowdart> 1600x1200 (19") and 1280x1024(17")
[08:02] <Tm_T> now only 17" with 1400x1050
[08:02] <cyberbuddy> i wish my 19 inch did more.
[08:02] <cyberbuddy> have a dell e193fp
[08:02] <jager> i can run 1600x1280 but it hurts my eyes
[08:03] <jager> 60 hz :(
[08:03] <cyberbuddy> hahaha
[08:03] <cyberbuddy> jager, ebay your monitor and invest in an LCD
[08:03] <Tm_T> jager: I always use 60Hz
[08:03] <jager> but they are twins!
[08:03] <yellowdart> i'm running my 1600x1200@75
[08:03] <Tm_T> cyberbuddy: LCD isn't always better
[08:03] <jager> and twin 19" lcds will cost Real Money
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> no it isn't.
[08:03] <jager> more than i'd get for these things surely
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> slow refreshes suck.
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> for games anyway.
[08:04] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: nah, slow eyes is all you need ;)
[08:04] <jager> haha
[08:04] <yellowdart> hehe
[08:04] <Tm_T> games?
[08:04] <Tm_T> games?
[08:04] <Tm_T> all you need is irc
[08:04] <jhealey> hello
[08:04] <Tm_T> irc almighty
[08:04] <LeeJunFan> no, I need longbow and operation flashpoint.
[08:04] <sampan> irc is multiplayer notepad
[08:04] <jhealey> can I get help?
[08:04] <cyberbuddy> my friend was running halflife, cs, warcraft3, doom on his kubuntu box
[08:04] <sampan> (thanks to bash.org)
[08:05] <cyberbuddy> never knew you can on linux
[08:05] <yellowdart> yeah, games? i dont think that curse of monkey island is THAT demanding hehe
[08:05] <Tm_T> cyberbuddy: ET, wesnoth... Freeciv!
[08:05] <Tm_T> yellowdart: aye
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> quite a few will run on wine, and quake will run native linux.
[08:05] <jhealey> i'm having issues with a matrox card under kubuntu, only displays 640x480
[08:05] <jhealey> anyone have any ideas on how to fix that?
[08:06] <cyberbuddy> any other big games running natively on linux?
[08:06] <yellowdart> jhealey: what driver is loaded in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:06] <jhealey> um, dunno
[08:06] <jhealey> machine is down
[08:06] <jhealey> mga i believe
[08:07] <jhealey> what should it be?  It is an old school G400 single, 16MB
[08:07] <yellowdart> hmmm...sounds about right...i'd check ubuntforums.org though to see if anyone has a similar setup
[08:08] <yellowdart> jhealey: or if you're not trying for "impressive 3d" you can try 'vesa'
[08:09] <jhealey> no 3d nes boeded on thi
[08:09] <jhealey> i dont' need 3d
[08:09] <jhealey> how do I change to vesa
[08:09] <jhealey> will 2d be sharp?
[08:10] <yellowdart> in the xorg.conf there will be a line that sas "Driver" "mga" or something like that...just change mga to vesa
[08:10] <yellowdart> jhealey: yeah, sharpness is based on your monitor
[08:11] <jhealey> i'll try that yellowfart, thanks
[08:11] <kkathman> lol yellowfart???
[08:11] <jhealey> ??
[08:11] <duckdown> Hey all, isn't there a way to apt-get the win32codec package? I can't find it after my new install
[08:11] <kkathman> i thing its yellowdart (d  not   f)
[08:12] <jhealey> aaaaa, sorry yellowdart
[08:12] <jhealey> thanks for your help
[08:12] <kkathman> otherwise he wont get a highlighted message :)
[08:13] <LeeJunFan> !codecs
[08:13] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[08:13] <yellowdart> no prob
[08:13] <duckdown> !easysource
[08:13] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:13] <duckdown> neet
[08:13] <duckdown> thanks
[08:13] <kkathman> hiya duckdown :)
[08:14] <duckdown> hi kkathman sir :)
[08:15] <hawking> I can watch wmv movies under totem but not kaffeine...what should i do for kaffeine wmv support?
[08:16] <yellowdart> holy cripes...2:20...gotta be at a meeting tomorrow morning
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> hawking: first thing I would do is install kaffeine-xine and set kaff to use the xine engine.
[08:16] <duckdown> is upgrading to KDE 3.5 really as easy as adding the repository to the sources.list and upgrading?
[08:16] <duckdown> from breezy?
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> hehe, I know I have to get the kids on the bus in 4 hrs.
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> duckdown: it's pretty easy - you need to do a dist-upgrade though. And personally I would just stick to 3.4, less boogs.
[08:17] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: funny thing is...meetings are the only reason i go to the office...so i have to worry about this like once a week...and it still catches me off guard. hehe
[08:18] <jager> i didn't do a dist upgrade to get 3.54
[08:18] <duckdown> LeeJunFan: Lots of SIGSEGVs huh
[08:18] <jager> 3.5.0 that is
[08:19] <yellowdart> just wait til april...3.5 is in dapper :)
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> duckdown: not too many, but enough dumb stuff. Like I can't send pages from konqueror to kmail, if sound previews is turned on in konqueror it segs when you hover over ANY icon. etc.
[08:19] <jager> ah from breezy nm
[08:20] <LeeJunFan> jager: really? you may have more minimal KDE. Some libs won't go right if not dist-upgrade
[08:20] <kkathman> duckdown: FWIW,  I just upgraded to KDE 3.5 last week. There were a couple of minor glitches, but overally it went smoothly for me
[08:20] <yellowdart> aight.. i'm gonna pretend to try and sleep now...later
[08:21] <LeeJunFan> yellowdart: gnight.
[08:21] <jager> let me play with sound previews, just for kicks
[08:21] <kkathman> duckdown: and yes, you add the source to your sources.list, download the gpg key for it, then do and update and dist-upgrade.
[08:21] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: bah, don't need the gpg key. hehe
[08:21] <LeeJunFan> as long as you don't mind apt b1tching about it every time you run it.
[08:22] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: well you do, if you use Riddell's source in kubuntu.org, I'll put it that way
[08:22] <kkathman> its a good key to have anyway
[08:23] <jager> hmm crashola
[08:23] <duckdown> crap.. that souces-o-matic list is giving me some GPG errors saying the public key isnt available
[08:25] <jager> it tells you how to import the key at the top of the page IIRC
[08:33] <hawking> I got kaffeine-xine but still can't play wmv files
[08:34] <frank23> hawking: did you choose kaffeine-xine in the player?
[08:34] <hawking> I did
[08:34] <frank23> player engine: kaffeine right?
[08:35] <LeeJunFan> well, gnight everyone. I think I might be able to squeeze 4 hrs sleep before I have to get up.
[08:36] <abionnnn> bad sleep does more harm than good in my experience
[08:36] <hawking> frank23 : exactly
[08:36] <abionnnn> though you do add a few hours to your day
[08:36] <abionnnn> the rest drop in quality :P
[08:36] <frank23> hawking: do you have KaffeinePart written in the bottom right corner?
[08:36] <hawking> frank23 : yup
[08:37] <frank23> what heppens when you try to play a wmv?
[08:37] <hawking> frank23 : just the program shuts down
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> abionnnn: yeah, problem is I had a headache earlier and took excedrine migraine - caffeine boosted me so I'm not sleepy. Problem is tomorrow after bad sleep I'll probably have another headache from not getting enough sleep.
[08:38] <frank23> hawking: not sure what the problem is
[08:38] <frank23> going to sleep
[08:38] <hawking> frank23 : maybe I should run it on cmd line lemme see
[08:39] <hawking> nite
[08:50] <duckdown> Even though my sound is working, kaffeine wont play mp3s because it says it needs a decoder to handle the stream.  Can someone tell me what I need?
[08:50] <LeeJunFan> duckdown: libmad0 I think.
[08:51] <duckdown> LeeJunFan: cool let me try that, thanks
[08:52] <duckdown> Newp, that didnt do it :(
[08:54] <duckdown> ohh had to switch to xine engine
[08:54] <duckdown> gstreamer doesnt work apparently
[09:30] <Steil> heh
[09:50] <hawking> anyone who got heroes 3 running under linux?
[10:17] <fatejudger> with what program can I download images from my digital camera?
[10:19] <robotgeek> fatejudger: it might launch as soon as you connect your camera
[10:19] <fatejudger> well I connected
[10:19] <fatejudger> the camera
[10:19] <fatejudger> and it didn't launch
[10:19] <jager> digikam?
[10:25] <fatejudger> jager: works beautifully, thanks
[10:25] <jager> np
[10:34] <paines> hi
[10:37] <jager> hi paines
[10:37] <jager> how goes it
[10:38] <paines> fine, you ?
[10:40] <paines> is dapper flight 2 worth a try as a day to day working anvironment, or better not cause to many gltiches / broken things
[10:42] <jager> i'm on 5.10
[10:43] <jager> so i dunno
[10:45] <paines> ic
[11:03] <JakubS> paines: i use dapper for quite a long time and it just works
[11:04] <fatejudger> is the audigy 2 nx compatible with Kubuntu?
[11:08] <viviersf> dont say that fatejudger
[11:08] <viviersf> rather ask
[11:08] <viviersf> is it compatible with linux
[11:08] <paines> JakubS, nice
[11:18] <digi> Yay! Got Kubuntu working! :)
[11:18] <JakubS> if i only got suspend working i would be dancing on the streets ;-)
[11:18] <digi> This is quite a nice distro!
[11:18] <digi> Running on a laptop?
[11:19] <JakubS> yeah, fujitsu-siemens amilo pro v8010
[11:19] <digi> I'm running on a Toshiba Sat s2400 - touchpad doesn't work properly so I use an external mouse
[11:19] <JakubS> overall good machine but having to do full bool every time drives me bananas
[11:20] <digi> But I don't really need suspend - Kubuntu restores the session upon reload
[11:20] <JakubS> yeah, but you need to wait for boot
[11:20] <digi> yeah - he boot time is ridiculous
[11:20] <digi> the*
[11:20] <JakubS> i cut it by using initng instead of init
[11:20] <digi> I'm sure I saw ways to speed it up on the ubuntu forums
[11:20] <JakubS> but of course it cannot beat resume from ram  time
[11:22] <digi> All of the included apps are quite nice
[11:22] <JakubS> omg, i have 4 different kdelibs source trees on disk, good thing it is quite big :-)
[11:24] <digi> Kubuntu seems to eat my laptop battery though
[11:26] <JakubS> i didn't notice - i get 3.5h no problems
[11:27] <JakubS> digi: what kind of laptop - centrino?
[11:27] <digi> p4
[11:27] <digi> my laptop battery is weak to begin with
[11:28] <digi> but Windows has really good battery saving techniques
[11:29] <digi> ok - need to install mySQL - what package do I install?
[11:30] <bimberi> digi: mysql-server
[11:30] <digi> cheers
[11:30] <bimberi> !lamp
[11:30] <ubotu> well, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:30] <bimberi> digi: ^^^ might be worth a read :)
[11:31] <JakubS> digi: well, cpu frequency changing, maybe disk spindown
[11:31] <digi> thanks - I already installed apache
[11:31] <knubbe> note: install apache2 - not apache
[11:32] <knubbe> if youre installing from apt that is..
[11:32] <digi> righteo! Thanks!
[11:32] <digi> hmmm...unmet dependencies!
[11:32] <JakubS> digi: try echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode - it will try hard to avoid disk usage therefore making it use less power
[11:33] <digi> jakubS: Permission denied
[11:33] <JakubS> well, as root of course :-)
[11:33] <digi> have done
[11:34] <JakubS> how exactly?
[11:34] <digi> sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode
[11:35] <JakubS> hehe, sudo makes 'echo' run as root but not redirection :-)
[11:35] <JakubS> sudo bash is needed
[11:35] <JakubS> then you have 'real' root
[11:38] <digi> sorry - can I get that wiki url again please?
[11:40] <digi> anyone...?
[11:41] <bimberi> digi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP  ???
[11:41] <digi> thanks!
[11:42] <bimberi> digi: yw :)
[11:43] <digi> should I be worried that my filesystem is ext2? I heard ext3 is alot better?
[11:46] <JakubS> digi: if your system never crashes or reboots without shutting down system then there should be no difference
[11:47] <digi> Ok thanks - I heard that searching isn't as good though due to there being no journaling system?
[11:48] <JakubS> searching? journal is there to prevent filesystem corruption on power loss (or similar) - when system has no chance to write out buffers
[11:48] <digi> jakubS - okay - thanks!
[11:49] <dpy> hi
[11:49] <digi> Sorry for all of the questions - but is BlueFish really the best web dev tool?
[11:49] <dpy> is there a way to upgrade from debian etch to kubuntu ?
[11:49] <JakubS> digi: try quanta
[11:49] <digi> how do they compare?
[11:50] <JakubS> dpy: hm, replace repositiories in apt.source add preferred distro to apt.conf and try apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[11:50] <JakubS> it might completely trash your system and make it unbootable
[11:50] <dpy> where are the kubuntu apt mirrors ?
[11:50] <dpy> I only see ISOs
[11:50] <JakubS> don't try to hunt me down then
[11:51] <visik7> dpy: kubuntu is ubuntu so use ubuntu mirrors
[11:51] <dpy> I can't find ubuntu mirrors either
[11:51] <dpy> only ISOs
[11:51] <JakubS> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
[11:51] <visik7> dapper ?
[11:52] <JakubS> newest development version (not even beta)
[11:53] <dpy> uh
[11:53] <dpy> isn't there anything stable ?
[11:53] <bimberi> dpy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[11:53] <digi> so when can we expect Dapper?
[11:53] <bimberi> digi: April
[11:53] <digi> sweet
[11:53] <bimberi> hopefully :P
[11:54] <JakubS> dpy: i use it for months now without (too many) problems
[11:54] <digi> there are quite alot of bugfixes expected I hope
[11:56] <dpy> hmm..
[11:56] <dpy> apt-cache search can't find any 2.6 kernel
[11:57] <digi> You're not using the 2.6 kernel?
[11:57] <dpy> no
[11:57] <dpy> and it fails to upgrade the 2.4 kernel
[11:57] <dpy> so I wish to upgrade to 2.6 kernel
[11:59] <dpy> grrr
[11:59] <dpy> why can't I find a new kernel anymore
[11:59] <digi> hmmm.trying to remember how I updated
[11:59] <digi> new to all of this
[12:00] <digi> sudo apt-get update / sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:01] <dpy> oh
[12:01] <dpy> you need both breezy and dapper sources
[12:06] <_henrik> Hi! I've just installed Kubuntu 5.10 with the 2.6.12 kernel.  I've got two soundcards, a stupied motherboard-card and one M-audio audiophile 2496 card. The problem is that KDE only plays from the onboard card, not the M-audio card! What's wrong?
[12:07] <digi> disable the onboard soundcard
[12:07] <_henrik> Ok. Is that possible from the BIOS? I've heard that Kubuntu still finds it anyway.
[12:08] <_henrik> I will try that, thanks for your help!
[12:12] <digi> Anyone get their iPod workin?
[12:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi,
[12:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i add a whole directory to the path?
[12:18] <dipnlik> hi all. trying to install wine, added the repo in wine's hp, but apt-get update returns me "Ign http://wine.sourceforge.net binary/ Packages". why?
[12:25] <bimberi> dipnlik: "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/"  (ie. did you include the "apt/" bit?
[12:25] <dipnlik> bimberi: yes I did
[12:26] <bimberi> dipnlik: k, just checkin' :)
[12:26] <dipnlik> bimberi: can you please apt-get update now to see if the problem is only here?
[12:27] <dipnlik> (don't know, maybe it is a server problem..)
[12:27] <bimberi> dipnlik: k, stand by...
[12:28] <dipnlik> ok, thanks
[12:29] <bimberi> dipnlik: hm, mine is up-to-date - you could try downloading the package directly and install using dpkg ...
[12:29] <bimberi> dipnlik: http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/wine_0.9.5-winehq-1_i386.deb
[12:31] <dipnlik> bimberi: ok, will try that, thanks
[12:32] <dipnlik> bimberi: it would be dpkg -i package.deb ?
[12:33] <bimberi> dipnlik: yes.  well actually "sudo dpkg..."
[12:35] <dipnlik> bimberi: k, thanks
[12:44] <chemaja> ugh, 15MB JRE! I soo need broadband.
[12:44] <JakubS> apt-get upgrade wants over 500MB, i'm so doomed :-)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[12:45] <Hobbsee> why dont you get broadband then?
[12:45] <chemaja> i'm getting it.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[12:45] <chemaja> :)
[12:45] <chemaja> (was waiting for my credit card to first be approved, which just happened :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[12:46] <chemaja> i've been mooching my work's spare pstn dial-up account
[12:46] <JakubS> oh well, laptop is not a big problem as i can upgrade it at uni tomorrow
[12:46] <chemaja> for like... a year.
[12:46] <dipnlik> hi. i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently for non-password protected shared drives and still the drive does not get mounted automatically, altough sudo mount -a works fine. can anyone help me?
[12:46] <chemaja> now it is time... for p2p pr0n! er, i mean... kubuntu apt-gets!
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:48] <chemaja> Hobbsee, you really should apt-get upgrade at least the security distro ;-)
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hehe nah, i did that, i was meaning all the p2p stuff :P
[12:48] <chemaja> (hence the winkie)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ;) thought so
[01:09] <tictric> is there a video editor available to do some cutting?
[01:09] <CyberMad> how to install proftpd in kubuntu?
[01:09] <tictric> apt-get install proftpd
[01:09] <tictric> or whatever's the package name
[01:10] <CyberMad> thanks.. i guess i need to add multiverse and universe... :)
[01:10] <tictric> yes, you need :)
[01:11] <CyberMad> yes..
[01:12] <redguy> what happened to "project" tab and menu in kate from KDE 3.5 ?
[01:12] <chemaja> redguy: perhaps it's one of those /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings overrides
[01:12] <chemaja> (i'm running 3.4.3)
[01:13] <redguy> hrm
[01:15] <redguy> chemaja: no reference to kate in there :/
[01:20] <chemaja> redguy: i assume you've checked settings >> configure kate, and kate's homepage?
[01:20] <chemaja> redguy: s/homepage/handbook
[01:23] <CyberMad> tictric, are you there i am adding multiverse universe to sources.list, hmm.. looks like this time is different because i just need to add to first line, is this correct?
[01:24] <CyberMad> http://pastebin.com/508038
[01:24] <redguy> chemaja: yup. The handbook doesn't mention projects at all, but the homepage has screenshots showing it. Also I remember using it when I had 3.4.3
[01:24] <CyberMad> i believe there are the other lines to add..
[01:25] <CyberMad> i try apt-get update and return error
[01:26] <CyberMad> the others is in comment :(
[01:27] <redguy> this sucks
[01:29] <dipnlik> hi. does kubuntu support parallel port scanners?
[01:29] <CyberMad> sorry i forgot set it to connect to the internet :(
[01:30] <tictric> CyberMad: mine looks like that http://pastebin.com/508043
[01:30] <inc|stone> hi what means: Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?
[01:35] <CyberMad> yup.. it's work now :)
[01:35] <nalioth> inc|stone: does the program start?
[01:38] <CyberMad> btw tictric is it ok if i use your sources.list? does it affect something?
[01:38] <inc|stone> no nalioth
[01:38] <nalioth> inc|stone: what program is it?
[01:39] <DieMumiee> hi
[01:39] <inc|stone> amule
[01:40] <nalioth> inc|stone: how did you install it?
[01:42] <inc|stone> apt-get install amule
[01:43] <nalioth> inc|stone: is it a console or graphical program?
[01:43] <inc|stone> i hope both? :P
[01:44] <nalioth> inc|stone: i dont run it, that's why im asking. how did you start it?
[01:44] <inc|stone> i know graphical, but i think consloe too
[01:44] <inc|stone> amule
[01:44] <inc|stone> stone@sbox:~$ amule
[01:44] <inc|stone> Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?
[01:44] <inc|stone> thats what i get
[01:45] <inc|stone> brb
[01:45] <tictric> CyberMad: shouldn't be a problem. but I can't guarantee :-)
[01:46] <CyberMad> how to find package name of Pure FTPd ?
[01:46] <CyberMad> not proftpd.. :)
[01:47] <inc|stone> ftpd :)
[01:47] <tictric> pure-ftpd
[01:47] <CyberMad> thanks
[01:47] <inc|stone> oh sry i mean..
[01:47] <CyberMad> btw, sorry... which one better? proftpd or pure-ftpd :)
[01:47] <nalioth> inc|stone: lemme install it and i'll see what happens
[01:48] <CyberMad> i mean... what do you recommend?
[01:49] <tictric> that would have been ~# apt-cache search 'pure.*ftp'
[01:49] <tictric> btw :-)
[01:49] <nalioth> inc|stone: it IS a graphical app, do you have ubuntu installed, btw?
[01:49] <CyberMad> tictric what do you use? proftpd or pure-ftpd ?
[01:49] <CyberMad> and what do you recommend... maybe you can tell me why?
[01:50] <tictric> neither :-) I only load with scp
[01:50] <CyberMad> scp?
[01:50] <tictric> man scp
[01:51] <tictric> I'm glad if I'm able to help. But I can't read for you too :-)
[01:51] <CyberMad> yes,.. i just need a clue.. :) that's already help me so much
[01:59] <redguy> chemaja: it seems that the kate team removed this functionality in kate 2.5 :/
[01:59] <redguy> chemaja: http://wiki.kate-editor.org/index.php/News if you're interested...
[02:00] <DjDarkman> hy ,i can`t start xmms ,i get this error in the console Segmentation fault ,what should i do?
[02:01] <BokMan> Hey folks, how do I allow file sharing on my local network in Kubuntu?
[02:13] <chemaja> does #kubuntu have a bot like #ubuntu (ie. "ubutu")?
[02:14] <nalioth> ubotu: tell chemaja about yourself
[02:22] <inc|stone> im using kubuntu nalioth
[02:22] <jjesse> if i used nano under sudo and now get an error message each time i try to use it again about permission denied for history
[02:22] <jjesse> is there a history file i need to remove?
[02:23] <nalioth> inc|stone: well, i'm using ubuntu and it came right up, have you tried xmule? or starting it another way?
[02:23] <inc|stone> im at the moment not at home i only can test it per ssh...
[02:23] <jjesse> also another question, i need to use kaudiocreator and need lame to convert to mp3 but ic an't find lame in apt-get install lame
[02:24] <inc|stone> just i need the console version
[02:24] <nalioth> inc|stone: well, if you are not at home, it's not gonna work. it's a gui program
[02:24] <inc|stone> shit :)
[02:25] <nalioth> inc|stone: barnyard language won't help you here
[02:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jjesse about repos
[02:25] <nalioth> jjesse: enable universe and multiverse repos
[02:25] <nalioth> jjesse: update your apt-get, and then you should find lame
[02:25] <jjesse> hmm i cold have sworn i have both enabled
[02:27] <jjesse> doh my fault thanks nalioth
[02:28] <inc|stone> ty nalioth
[02:28] <nalioth> inc|stone: np, share the help
[02:28] <nalioth> jjesse: enjoy!
[02:30] <jjesse> one other question, is there a way to convert .ogg into .mp3s so i can use them on my ipod?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you'll lose masses of quality if you do
[02:31] <jjesse> so i should rip them into mp3 again instaed of .ogg?
[02:31] <djdarkman> hy ,i have a serious problem ,kde doesn`t want to start
[02:31] <djdarkman> how do i start it?
[02:31] <tictric> djdarkman: why doesn't it want to?
[02:32] <djdarkman> i dunno ,the last thing i did is try to configure the nvidia driver
[02:33] <djdarkman> but i get no error msg
[02:33] <nalioth> jjesse: yes, ogg >> wav >> mp3
[02:33] <djdarkman> and only the text mode login apears
[02:33] <tictric> so, X isn't starting?
[02:33] <jjesse> nalioth: through kaudiocreator or ?
[02:34] <nalioth> jjesse: there are dozens of tools to do it
[02:34] <djdarkman> well it doesn`t
[02:35] <jjesse> best one? ssorry i'm kinda n00b when it comes to audio stuff like this
[02:35] <djdarkman> how should i try to start kde?
[02:35] <nalioth> jjesse: if kaudiocreater does it, use it. i dont do sound things much, sorry
[02:35] <nalioth> djdarkman: at your console, type "startkde"
[02:36] <djdarkman> it says something that it can`t open display
[02:36] <djdarkman> i can`t scroll back :(
[02:36] <tictric> and if it still doesn't start type ~# less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:37] <tictric> and find out what's missing
[02:37] <djdarkman> hmmm ok
[02:37] <tictric> there will be something like [EE]  somewhere. or so.
[02:39] <djdarkman> yes i saw something like it
[02:39] <tictric> so, what's missing?
[02:40] <djdarkman> it says:
[02:40] <djdarkman> screens found...
[02:40] <djdarkman> but none have usable configuration
[02:40] <tictric> the nvidia modules have been loaded?
[02:41] <djdarkman> yes i think so
[02:41] <tictric> package nvidia-glx is installed and so is linux-restricted-modules-xxxx ?
[02:42] <nalioth> djdarkman: i have a solution that will get you into a GUI
[02:42] <djdarkman> nalioth tell me please
[02:42] <djdarkman> tictric nvidia-glx is installed
[02:42] <nalioth> djdarkman: in a console, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the VESA video driver
[02:42] <djdarkman> but the other one ,i have to chek that
[02:43] <tictric> but that won't work if you have manually edited xorg.conf
[02:44] <tictric> so if you have follow the steps described in xorg.conf
[02:44] <tictric> btw, you don't need the vesa driver *nv* will be fine as well. That always works
[02:46] <djdarkman> it doesn`t work now
[02:46] <djdarkman> :(
[02:46] <tictric> what have you tried?
[02:46] <djdarkman> i selected nv
[02:47] <djdarkman> and typed startkde
[02:47] <tictric> type less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:47] <nalioth> tictric: i suggest the 'one that works', dunno anything about 'nv'
[02:48] <tictric> if he edited xorg.conf manually it doesn't get changed by dpkg-reconfigure so it's still the broken config working
[02:48] <djdarkman> how come?
[02:48] <jager> i had to reboot each time i edited xorg.conf when i installed kubuntu last
[02:48] <jager> i still don't know why
[02:48] <jager> kdm restart didn't do it
[02:49] <tictric> read xorg.conf from top
[02:49] <tictric> reading is essential
[02:49] <jager> cntrl alt backspace either
[02:49] <djdarkman> so maybe i have2 reboot?
[02:49] <jager> i'd try it, i was shocked i had to but nothing worked until i did
[02:50] <djdarkman> ok
[02:50] <jager> hope i didn't just waste his time
[02:50] <tictric> no, read the first about 20 lines in xorg.conf carefully
[02:50] <jager> haha
[02:50] <tictric> it's written there.
[02:51] <jager> i nuked kubuntu's xorg.conf in favor of my own
[02:51] <jager> what's it say?
[02:52] <tictric> or just go down to Section "Device" and change "nvidia" to "nv"
[02:52] <jager> maybe i backed it up
[02:52] <tictric> that's it
[02:52] <jager> i've never had so much trouble wth x
[02:52] <jager> i use the same xconfig all the time
[02:52] <jager> i never did determine why it didn't load mine until i rebooted
[02:53] <DjDarkman> ok it worked
[02:53] <jager> wtf. right?
[02:53] <jager> beats me
[02:54] <tictric> I'm impressed :-)
[02:54] <DjDarkman> yes ,but i still have problems with the nvidia and kde
[02:54] <jager> i'm not, there's no way you should have to reboot for that
[02:54] <jager> you using the nv driver DjDarkman?
[02:54] <DjDarkman> yes
[02:54] <jager> change it to nvidia in xorg.conf and reboot again :(
[02:55] <tictric> why reboot? is that windows or what?
[02:55] <jager> assuming you've got it installed like these guys said
[02:55] <jager> i kep saying i don't know tictric
[02:55] <jager> but that's what i had to do
[02:55] <jager> i went through exactly what he's going through and it irritated me no end
[02:55] <tictric>  /etc/init.de/kdm restart would do as well
[02:55] <tictric> oops
[02:56] <jager> you would think so, but nope
[02:56] <jager> not for me
[02:56] <DjDarkman> what drivers should i use via apt?
[02:56] <jager> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:56] <jager> it's in universe or multiverse, i forget which
[02:57] <tictric> and linux-restricted-modules-xxxx
[02:57] <DjDarkman> xxxx?
[02:57] <tictric> xxxx <-- your kernel, man
[02:58] <DjDarkman> ok
[03:00] <DjDarkman> but theres a lot ,wich is for my pc?
[03:00] <jager> in konsole type uname -a
[03:00] <jager> and there will be a number like 1.6.12-9-386 or something
[03:00] <jager> look for the one that matches that
[03:01] <DjDarkman> ok found it
[03:01] <jager> cool beans
[03:01] <DjDarkman> i dind`t have linux.....legacy driver
[03:01] <DjDarkman> and it think that that is what i need
[03:01] <jager> what sort of gfx card do you have?
[03:01] <DjDarkman> coz i have an mx440
[03:02] <DjDarkman> geforece mx440
[03:02] <jager> nah i have a geforce 2 mx and i used the normal one
[03:02] <jager> i think legacy is for tnt2 etc
[03:02] <jager> and vantas
[03:02] <DjDarkman> his package only provides the kernel driver for the NVIDIA 'legacy' kernel driver, which provides support for TNT, TNT2, GeForce, and GeForce2 chipsets. More restricted modules, including that for newer NVIDIA cards, can be found in the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386 package.
[03:03] <jager> haha i've been known to be wrong from time to time :)
[03:04] <DjDarkman> jager: maybe youre right ,you were right about the restart after all
[03:05] <jager> i just looked, i installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-386
[03:05] <jager> for my geforce 2
[03:06] <jager> ymmv of course
[03:06] <jager> is that card like an original geforce or something?
[03:06] <jager> that model you threw out made me think it was a geforce 4
[03:07] <DjDarkman> geforce 4 is essentialy geforce 2
[03:07] <DjDarkman> with a few improvements
[03:07] <jager> yeppers
[03:08] <tictric> msi says it's geforce 4
[03:08] <jager> i'd go with linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-386
[03:08] <jager> if it were me
[03:08] <jager> if i'm wrong you can publicly mock me :)
[03:09] <jager> this whole nvidia driver fork has annoyed me, i liked the unified driver architecture thing they had going on
[03:10] <DjDarkman> yes it was good ,but no more
[03:10] <jager> :(
[03:10] <barbiedark> hi guys!
[03:10] <jager> hi barbiedark
[03:10] <DjDarkman> hi barbiedark
[03:10] <barbiedark> I have a question about gaim....
[03:10] <jager> fire away
[03:11] <DjDarkman> yes barbiedark ask it
[03:11] <barbiedark> Is it possible to see the msn personal emoticons?
[03:11] <jager> you mean those annoying fullscreen flash things?
[03:11] <barbiedark> no no
[03:12] <DjDarkman> barbiedark: i don`t think so ,only the basic
[03:12] <dipnlik> jager: yes and no
[03:12] <jager> it's been so long since i actually used the official msn client i dunno what you mean
[03:12] <jager> haha
[03:12] <dipnlik> jager: the surely annoying things are the winks
[03:13] <dipnlik> jager: personal emoticons are emoticons you configure and that are sent to the person you're chatting with
[03:13] <dipnlik> jager: these are USUALLY annoying, but not everytime ;-)
[03:13] <jager> mmm if gaim has a feature like that i don't know about t
[03:13] <barbiedark> that's qhat I mean, dipnlik!
[03:13] <barbiedark> *what
[03:13] <dipnlik> barbiedark: not that i use gaim, but i don't think it has the feature
[03:14] <barbiedark> ok, thanx...
[03:14] <dipnlik> barbiedark: maybe kopete has, but i never used it
[03:14] <dipnlik> barbiedark: kopete or amsn are clients you should take a look at
[03:14] <barbiedark> I tried it some weeks ago....
[03:14] <barbiedark> but I couldn't see the personale emo...
[03:14] <barbiedark> :(
[03:15] <jager> i'm using kopete atm
[03:15] <jager> and i just looked for this feature and failed to find it
[03:15] <jager> perhaps amsn has it but i dunno
[03:16] <barbiedark> ok
[03:17] <barbiedark> and... I need some help for another problem...
[03:17] <dipnlik> barbiedark: go ahead
[03:17] <jager> NO WE DON"T HELP NEWBS DIE DIE
[03:17] <jager> haha
[03:17] <dipnlik> LOL
[03:18] <barbiedark> I would like to connect the pc with my phone (LG u8360)... I try it but... it doesn't work
[03:19] <barbiedark> (I use linux only since few months)
[03:19] <jager> using bluetooth?
[03:19] <barbiedark> yes
[03:20] <jager> alas i've never used bluetooth
[03:20] <barbiedark> asd
[03:21] <dipnlik> barbiedark: i need to search a little about BT too, have a Nokia 6600 and want to sync it with kontact
[03:22] <barbiedark> ok
[03:22] <dipnlik> barbiedark: can you at least send and receive files using the BT software included in kubuntu?
[03:22] <barbiedark> omg... I don't know
[03:22] <dipnlik> barbiedark: i usd it without a problem last time i tried, plugged the BT dongle and voila
[03:22] <dipnlik> barbiedark: sad i don't have the dongle here right now
[03:23] <barbiedark> I have the internal dongle...
[03:24] <dipnlik> barbiedark: try the software included, try to send and receive files to see if at least the connection is ok
[03:25] <barbiedark> which sw?
[03:27] <dipnlik> barbiedark: kbtobexclient, IIRC
[03:29] <barbiedark> I don't have none of them, and I can't install them using apt-get install :(
[03:59] <satempler> dose prelink realy help much
[04:02] <satempler> dose prelink realy help much
[04:02] <satempler> in reguards to speed
[04:02] <satempler> improvement
[04:05] <nlindblad> hello
[04:06] <satempler> hey
[04:06] <avu> satempler: if it does what it's supposed to, it only helps with application startup times
[04:07] <avu> satempler: there are benchmarks out there showing how much a gain you can expect
[04:08] <avu> satempler: http://www.gophernet.org/articles/prelink.html for example compares startup times of some applications with and without prelink
[04:08] <satempler> avu: ok thanks
[04:09] <satempler> avu: other than enableing DMA on my CD rom drive is there a way to speed up Encodeing or have Konquer make artist and album folders automaticly
[04:10] <avu> satempler: I don't rip CDs.
[04:10] <satempler> oh ok thanks
[04:12] <dipnlik> hi all. i printed an html file to pdf and the characters are not aligned. in acrobat reader characters are blurry. how can i solve this?
[04:25] <mika0800> Hi, does someone know: does Kubuntu 5.10 breezy come with 2 or more kernels or only with the 2.6.12 mentioned in http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[04:26] <seashell11> mika0800: it installs with only one, but you can install more with apt-get
[04:34] <mika0800> seashell11, if I install kubuntu (which comes with 2.6.12 kernel), can I downgrade by installing 2.6.10 using apt-get? if I can, will downgrading the kernel break something else ?
[04:37] <seashell11> mika0800: why would you wnat to downgrade? but I have both 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-10 installed and I can start up with either and it doesn't break anything. Some packages might depend on 2.6.12 then they wouldn't run with 2.6.10, but I don't know if any do for sure. If some do I don't think very many would stop working.
[04:38] <seashell11> but if wome don't run with 2.6.10 you can always boot back into 2.6.12 and they should run fine again
[04:39] <seashell11> wome == some
[04:40] <mika0800> I want to run Kylix3, and anything newer than 2.6.10 will break Kylix3 IDE's integrated debugger. So I must either downgrade the Breezy's 2.6.12 to 2.6.10 or use Hoary instead, which alredy comes with 2.6.10 kernel.
[04:41] <seashell11> you could try breezy with 2.6.10, there is a good chance everything would work right.
[04:41] <mika0800> is the 2.6.10 apt-gettabe with breezy by default or do I need to change something ?
[04:43] <seashell11> ill check quick, im running breezy so ill see in synaptic
[04:47] <Foodcoman> Morning
[04:51] <seashell11> mika0800: I don't find the 2.6.10 kernel image in breezy apt-get
[04:55] <mika0800> so it well need quite a much manual hacking do do it...
[04:56] <seashell11> after you install breezy you should be able to type in kdesu kedit /etc/sources.list (sudo gedit /etc/sources.list) then change all the places it says breezy breezy to hoary. In terminal type in sudo apt-get update, install the 2.6.10 kernel image, then go change hoary back to breezy
[04:58] <mika0800> I wonder if that creates much compatibility problems... are such hacks safe or should I just install Hoary instead ?
[04:58] <zenon> Is there a diff between kubuntu/ubuntu in server mode ?
[04:59] <seashell11> I don't know?? you can install hoary and upgrade to breezy then you still have the 2.6.10 kernel
[04:59] <nlindblad> zenon: no
[04:59] <nlindblad> zenon: they share the same base system
[05:00] <seashell11> zenon: if you do a server install you will not get any desktop
[05:00] <seashell11> unless you install it yourself
[05:00] <zenon> thanks
[05:00] <nlindblad> zenon: it's possible to do a Kubuntu install using an Ubuntu CD and the other way around
[05:01] <seashell11> yep I do it all the time, never bothered with getting me a kubuntu cd
[05:01] <nlindblad> zenon: server-install, then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <seashell11> nlindblad: ain't it just server? or does server-install work too?
[05:03] <nlindblad> seashell11: when I say server-install I mean the boot: server thingy
[05:03] <seashell11> oh I catch on
[05:05] <zenon> Has anyone tried the server release of Ubuntu ?
[05:05] <redguy> yup
[05:06] <nlindblad> zenon: the server release is the usual one but without the desktop
[05:06] <nlindblad> (and some other stuff)
[05:10] <DjDarkman> hy ,what is Segmentation fault?
[05:11] <redguy> DjDarkman: it means that the program being run tried to access a memory address it is not suppodes to access.
[05:11] <redguy> DjDarkman: in other words it means: the program has crashed
[05:11] <DjDarkman> ok redguy i get this from xmms amarok and from a game in cedega
[05:12] <redguy> s/suppodes/supposed/
[05:12] <DjDarkman> and my openglide doesn`t work
[05:12] <DjDarkman> so this gives me a lot of hell ,can you please tell me how to sort this out?
[05:12] <redguy> DjDarkman: so you can say that xmms amarok a game in cedega crashed
[05:12] <redguy> DjDarkman: I don't really know :-)
[05:13] <DjDarkman> redguy: but they always crash
[05:13] <DjDarkman> i start them and they crash
[05:13] <DjDarkman> is this normal?///////
[05:13] <redguy> DjDarkman: no'
[05:14] <house> i have been becoming more interested in kde and am wondering what are some of the benefits over gnome
[05:14] <DjDarkman> is it possible because of bad settings in xorg.conf
[05:14] <ccc_> house: you have to try it yourself to tell
[05:14] <ccc_> house: it's all a matter of taste
[05:14] <DjDarkman> house: the games run perfectly if u dont get hell from an nvidia driver
[05:15] <DjDarkman> i don`t wanna reinstall my kubuntu ,but i can`t do nothing like this ,can you help me?
[05:34] <ich> anybody care to help with a glx question?
[05:37] <eliteforce> hey, someone here with wlan knowledge
[05:40] <prxq> Hello. It seems to be impossible to configure keyboard bindings in the kde that comes with kubuntu. What am I missing?
[05:44] <hyperactivecrond> helo all
[05:57] <hyperactivecrond> if i want to do something like s/breezy/dapper/g; to a bunch of files on the command line how does one do this in perl from a command line
[05:57] <derekS_> hyperactivecrond: i don't follow
[05:58] <hyperactivecrond> if i do sudo perl -e 's/breezy/dapper/g;' baz             where baz is the file perl does nothing
[05:58] <derekS_> i use python
[05:59] <hyperactivecrond> how would one do this in pyton then?
[05:59] <hyperactivecrond> python
[05:59] <derekS_> what are you trying to do
[05:59] <hyperactivecrond> change all instances of breezy in a file to dapper
[06:00] <derekS_> http://diveintopython.org/regular_expressions/
[06:01] <hyperactivecrond> ok
[06:09] <jorgp> is there a printer howto some place, when I add a printer via cups, what is the login and password?
[06:16] <PupenoL> ! w32codecs
[06:16] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[06:17] <dutchie> evening all ... has someone managed to get Java applets to work in Konq ?
[06:17] <dutchie> I've read loads of howtos with no good results
[06:18] <larsivi> dutchie: some.. but not all, especially newer ones
[06:18] <dutchie> I got Sun's 1.2 and IBM's 1.3 .... no luck
[06:18] <dutchie> I'd like to enable the java console to debug
[06:18] <larsivi> I'm using blackhats java
[06:18] <dutchie> but the setting seems to have disappeared from Konq's Java settings pannel
[06:18] <dutchie> hm, I'll try them then
[06:18] <larsivi> but have only tried the 1.3 version yet
[06:19] <larsivi> or is it black down? anyway, they are the recommended choice for linux
[06:19] <larsivi> I've downloaded the 1.4 version, but haven't installed it yet
[06:21] <seashell11> larsivi: do you not like firefox? I have java working in firefox.
[06:22] <larsivi> seashell11: I don't like firefox in linux, it also seems to accelerate the memleak in gam_server
[06:23] <larsivi> also firefox isn't entirely integrated in KDE
[06:24] <seashell11> larsivi: I havn't had any problems, and you can change settings in kde to make it be lpretty well entirely intigrated with kde
[06:25] <seashell11> larsivi: but i guess, each person has his own prefferences lol
[06:25] <larsivi> seashell11: whenever I run firefox (everytime I need to use my bank), I need to start kill gam_server or restart, unless the system get so unresponsive that it almost hangs
[06:26] <larsivi> And I think Konqi is great for everything else
[06:26] <larsivi> I seldom need the java support
[06:27] <seashell11> that hasn't ever happened to me, and I just don't like the way konqueror is set up and runs. but this is kind of off what you were wanting help for. I can't help you much with java and Konqueror since I have never attemted to get it running
[06:31] <dutchie> has the "show Java console" option disappeared from Konq's Java panel ?
[06:31] <dutchie> or should I start a Java console from the cmd line ?
[06:32] <larsivi> seashell11: I didn't ask for Java help :) dutchie did
[06:32] <seashell11> Oh OK, but I still can't help ;-)
[06:33] <larsivi> seashell11: the gam_server bug is a well known bug in breezy, but more commonly found on Ubuntu
[06:33] <larsivi> will be fixed in dapper
[06:33] <larsivi> that is, the next version of gam_serer
[06:33] <dutchie> so until then I have to run Firefox ?
[06:33] <dutchie> ok, thanks guys
[06:34] <larsivi> dutchie: no, I'm talking about the problem I'm having with Firefox :)
[06:34] <seashell11> larsivi: That's good it's going to fix it, but luckily i havn't ever had a problem with it
[06:34] <dutchie> ok, then is it even possible *in theory* to run Java inside of Konq ?
[06:35] <larsivi> seashell11: often my computer must be turned on overnight before I get real problems
[06:35] <larsivi> dutchie: Yes, I do
[06:35] <dutchie> blackdown ?
[06:35] <dutchie> I'll go check that ouut
[06:35] <seashell11> mine has an uptime of 4 days 19 hours right now :-P
[06:36] <dutchie> wooh, 4 days ;-)
[06:36] <seashell11> it ain't much right now, but bfore that it was almost 2 months
[06:36] <seashell11> for a desktop
[06:38] <Paradosso>  I'm running kubuntu, and kwin just does not remember the special window settings I set; any hints on why this could happen?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Does kubuntu have a KwickJot pad or some such?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> perferably katapulted :-)
[06:53] <satempler> is KDE 4 going to be availible for Dapper
[06:53] <_StarScream> satempler: i doubt it
[06:53] <satempler> like KDE 3.5 is for Breezy
[06:53] <_StarScream> KDE 4 is a long way off
[06:53] <_StarScream> it barely compiles
[06:53] <satempler> ya ok
[06:53] <satempler> what about Xorg 7
[06:54] <bhna> satempler: kde 3.5 is for dapper and 3.4.3 fpr breezy
[06:54] <DaSkreech> KDE4 is a loooong way off
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Like Vista Long Way off
[06:54] <satempler> ya but the packages are availble for breezy
[06:54] <hyperactivecrond> satempler: you're thinking 3.4
[06:54] <satempler> wow
[06:54] <satempler> no
[06:54] <hyperactivecrond> s/4/5
[06:54] <hyperactivecrond> 3.5
[06:54] <hyperactivecrond> is
[06:55] <satempler> 3.5 on the web www.kubuntu.org
[06:55] <satempler> there are breezy packages
[06:55] <satempler> from kubuntu
[06:57] <seashell11> I am running kde 3.5 on breezy on one of my computers
[06:57] <satempler> i guess they are not supported by the offical Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[06:58] <jjesse> what do you mean they are not supported by ubuntu or kubuntu?
[06:58] <satempler> why wouldn't they be with the main updates
[06:58] <jjesse> kde 3.5 is in dapper and i think Riddell backported it to Breezy?
[06:59] <satempler> as far as my understanding of backports they are not official
[07:00] <satempler> so we won't see 4 until late this year
[07:00] <bhna> satempler: breez came out with kde 3.4.3. the kde 3.5 packages are updates. kde 3.5 is original in dapper
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Right
[07:00] <satempler> bhna: so they are supported
[07:00] <satempler> DaSkreech: so maybe by 6.10
[07:01] <Riddell> satempler: they are supported by Kubuntu
[07:01] <satempler> oh ok
[07:01] <seashell11> ubotu: tell seashell11 about dapper
[07:01] <Riddell> (which means I make the same security and major bugfixes to them that the packages in ubuntu's archives get)
[07:01] <satempler> oh cool
[07:02] <satempler> Riddell: if kde 4 comes out around bout august (like vista lol) will you backport them
[07:02] <simo> hey
[07:02] <DaSkreech> satempler: I'm sure that Packages will come out for 6.10 I wouldn't bet on BY 6.10
[07:02] <simo> ive got a litte problem..
[07:02] <satempler> oh
[07:02] <Riddell> satempler: as DaSkreech says
[07:02] <satempler> ok
[07:03] <simo> i cant play .mpeg / .avi files on kubuntu,  how to do that or is it even possible ? :)
[07:03] <satempler> so by Nov or Dec
[07:03] <satempler> dang I wana see a screen shot of plasma
[07:03] <satempler> lol
[07:03] <tictric> simo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mpeg
[07:03] <Riddell> plasma hasn't been written yet
[07:03] <satempler> so arts will be gone in Dapper
[07:04] <satempler> dang
[07:04] <satempler> ok that tells me more
[07:04] <simo> tictric: thanks!
[07:04] <satempler> thanks
[07:04] <tictric> thanks
[07:04] <DaSkreech> satempler: appeal.kde.org and Visit every week :)
[07:04] <satempler> ok is there an rss for it
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Nothing to put on it yet
[07:05] <DaSkreech> oh KDEdevelopers.org might have info
[07:05] <satempler> ok
[07:05] <dutchie> me again ... can I use BlackDown's JVM plugin in Konq ?
[07:06] <dutchie> or should I let Konq invoke it through calling "java"
[07:06] <satempler> weird question
[07:06] <satempler> xcompmgr sucks right
[07:06] <pointwood> arts gone in dapper?
[07:06] <dutchie> ah, really ? there are potentially two options to using this JVM
[07:06] <satempler> ya
[07:06] <dutchie> I'm asking which one is most appropriate ?
[07:06] <pointwood> what replaces it?
[07:06] <satempler> they are working on somthing new
[07:07] <satempler> in dapper gstreamer is replaceing it
[07:07] <pointwood> k
[07:07] <dutchie> anyone ? anyone ? Bueller ?
[07:07] <pointwood> I thought that wouldn't be before KDE4
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Mna I just replaced GStreamer
[07:07] <dutchie> I guess I'll go try both options
[07:07] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Thats Ubuntu Nothing much to do with KDE
[07:07] <pointwood> the media situation is a mess currently
[07:07] <satempler> Dapper is getting ready for the transistion
[07:09] <satempler> may be kdemm (the new frame work backported for 3.5) if its ready by then
[07:09] <satempler> its on the Dapper road map
[07:10] <satempler> i use xine for amarok and kaffeine
[07:10] <satempler> i use kmplayer for things that mplayer would take care of in Firefox
[07:10] <satempler> like apple.com/trailers
[07:11] <larsivi> satempler: kdemm was just renamed phonon :) see todays planetkde
[07:11] <satempler> oh damn
[07:12] <larsivi> note that Xine has non-free issues meaning it can't be included on CDs
[07:12] <pointwood> the problem is probably caused by myself, but currently, I get no sound in videos on video.google.com
[07:12] <satempler> larsivi: no xine is included on cd but without mp3 playback
[07:12] <satempler> or libdvdcss
[07:13] <larsivi> well, mp3 is sortof essential
[07:13] <satempler> gstreamer now has support for it
[07:13] <larsivi> the problem is that Xine apparently use patented algos
[07:13] <satempler> a free version
[07:13] <DaSkreech> People say the same about Windows
[07:13] <satempler> when did this happen
[07:14] <satempler> ya I need mp3 support
[07:14] <pointwood> the joy of software patents
[07:14] <satempler> right
[07:15] <amigrave> kdebindings is not in kubuntu ?
[07:15] <_david_> How stable is Dapper Drake flight 2? And I am wondering. If I install DD F2 will that one update it self along the way until it is complete at the date of release?
[07:15] <satempler> but as i said gstreamer has found a way to play mp3s without patent issues
[07:16] <satempler> _david_: Dapper Drake is unstable to make it usable
[07:17] <_david_> satempler: to bad.
[07:17] <pointwood> satempler: isn't kdemm/phonon a "high level interface" to the engines themselves
[07:17] <satempler> just wait till march
[07:17] <satempler> oh
[07:18] <dutchie> has anyone managed to make BlackDown Java work inside of Konq using the path to "Java executable" ?
[07:18] <_david_> I tried to install opensuse, but what a crap compared to k(u)buntu...
[07:18] <satempler> ya it is
[07:19] <pointwood> will gstreamer .10 be the default in the next release or will it take longer than that to implement support for that?
[07:19] <pointwood> _david_: really? I've heard good things about opensuse
[07:19] <satempler> _david_: though you can update to 3.5
[07:19] <pointwood> what's so crappy about it?
[07:19] <_StarScream> pointwood: yeh i gave opensuse a go the other day
[07:19] <_StarScream> i quite liked it
[07:19] <_StarScream> it was very polished
[07:20] <pointwood> yeah
[07:20] <_StarScream> a little sluggish to boot up
[07:20] <_StarScream> but nice
[07:20] <pointwood> I don't boot that often :)
[07:20] <satempler> i don't like opensuse kittchen sink approach to things
[07:20] <_StarScream> well me either
[07:20] <pointwood> my kubuntu install is a bit of a mess, but when you play with fire... ;)
[07:20] <_StarScream> satempler: ? its less kitchen-sinky than fedora or RH
[07:21] <_david_> pointwood: actually I am using opensuse super and although it boots "fast" I don't like the yast2. Maybe I am too used to apt-get
[07:21] <pointwood> kitchen sink approach? in what way?
[07:21] <satempler> _StarScream: I don't use KDE in FC or RH
[07:21] <satempler> _StarScream: but ya I don't like the bloat in eather
[07:21] <pointwood> _david_: ahh...k and yes, apt-get is nice
[07:21] <_david_> Talking about booting... will dapper use the initng thingie?
[07:21] <satempler> thats why I like kubuntu
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Oh Riddell
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Any word on EFI support?
[07:22] <satempler> ya I wana here some one put kubuntu on the MacBook Pro
[07:22] <_StarScream> satempler: as soon as they do i'll buy one :)
[07:23] <pointwood> well, the devs should be able to get one
[07:23] <pointwood> before they can test it
[07:23] <_david_> pointwood: opensuse super use by default delta isos, but they didn't work. I had to dig around until I found that I had to disable the delta iso installation
[07:23] <satempler> the kernel already has support for it
[07:23] <pointwood> delta isos?
[07:23] <satempler> you would use egrub i think
[07:23] <pointwood> never heard of that before
[07:24] <satempler> never mind grub already works with EFI
[07:24] <satempler> elilo is what i was thinking of
[07:25] <_david_> Delta ISOs allow to download a small file instead of downloading the
[07:25] <_david_> complete ISO if you have the previous ISO
[07:26] <pointwood> ahhh
[07:27] <_david_> pointwood: if it worked things probably would be faster, but...
[07:27] <DaSkreech> satempler: Grub2?
[07:27] <satempler> Riddell: is klik going to be in Dapper
[07:27] <DaSkreech> I don't think *buntu uses grub2
[07:27] <pointwood> I installed opensuse not too long ago in a VM and it installed without a hitch
[07:27] <satempler> DaSkreech: not shure
[07:28] <satempler> how can you quiry a deb
[07:29] <satempler> find out it's version
[07:29] <satempler> like grub
[07:30] <_david_> anyone know if asyncronic bootup will be implemented in kubuntu?
[07:31] <pointwood> gpl3 draft has been released
[07:31] <pointwood> http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/1729220&from=rss
[07:32] <DjDarkman> hy ,can somebody give me a sources.list?
[07:32] <darkheart> !tell DjDarkman about repositories
[07:33] <satempler> !repositories
[07:33] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:35] <satempler> Riddell: is there an update to amarok 1.3.7 to .8
[07:35] <DjDarkman> 10x ubotu
[07:38] <satempler> Riddell: 1.3.8 fixes alot bugs
[07:39] <Yon> hey all
[07:39] <tech9iner> so mates.. anyone ever getta clue on wy yast installed konversation for me but added no main menu icons anywhere for it please?.. thanks
[07:40] <Yon> is there a better program that can connect to msn other then Instant messager Kopete?
[07:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: around?