[07:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:11] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[08:57] <Myrtti> meh
[08:59] <MooDoo> Myrtti: and a good morning to you :)
[08:59] <Myrtti> atleast it's not Tuesday
[09:04] <diplo> Morning all
[09:05] <DGJones> Myrtti, Are you ok for a pm
[09:06] <GentileBen> As Myrtti's official PM gatekeeper, I'm going to allow this.
[09:07] <Myrtti> DGJones: if you don't expect coherent answers
[09:07] <Myrtti> GentileBen: meh
[09:07] <Myrtti> I feel like Tardar Sauce the cat
[09:08] <DGJones> Hmmh, /msg doesn't work in xchat
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all.
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning TheOpenSourcerer :)
[09:15] <diplo> So, keep getting reminded 13.10 is out and do i want to upgrade.. running 13.04 atm.. worth the update or buggy ?
[09:16] <Myrtti> my motto has been that upgrading non-LTS's is always a good idea
[09:17] <Myrtti> upgrading LTS's is a good idea when a new LTS is around
[09:17] <DGJones> diplo, PLus 13.04 wil be EOL in January
[09:17] <directhex> 13.10 is fine now
[09:18] <directhex> it was not fine when chromium would refuse to load Reddit Enhancement Suite
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have been using it since release - it's OK. It was a bit rough around the edges but is no worse than 13.04.
[09:18] <diplo> Myrtti: I was the same earlier on, but had so many issues since 11.* with early upgrades I've left it a lot later now, I had to upgrade from 12.04 because I needed some specific package for some dev
[09:19] <diplo> OK great, I'm sold.
[09:19] <Myrtti> I'm debating myself should I be a guinea pig for LTS to LTS upgrade path
[09:20] <Myrtti> there's so many things in 12.04 bugging me out right now that I pine for an upgrade
[09:20] <DGJones> 13.04->13.10 was the smoothest upgrade I've ever had, absolutely zero errors/issues during upgrade, normally there's an odd, niggling error, but there was nothing this time
[09:20] <SuperMatt> DGJones: that's because almost nothing changed ;)
[09:20] <Myrtti> may I complain about something though, this is only related to Ubuntu and 12.04
[09:20] <SuperMatt> though if you're running 12.04 on a server, don't upgrade to 14.04 until you've tested your apache confs
[09:20] <SuperMatt> the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 caused a few issues for me
[09:21] <diplo> nah, I only just upgraded from natty to 12.04 on my server :)
[09:21] <ali1234> probably the biggest change in 13.04->13.10 is the indicator api changed quite a lot
[09:21] <Myrtti> I didn't know it was possible for IT support to order a laptop these days that doesn't come with inbuilt bluetooth. Well, I knew it was possible but I didn't know it was possible they were assuming that me not mentioning it means that I don't want it by default
[09:21] <SuperMatt> there weren't a lot of user facing changes, I'll admit to that
[09:22] <Myrtti> SuperMatt: no, just a laptop
[09:22] <Myrtti> no apaches or such running here
[09:22] <Myrtti> but it's a factory install of Ubuntu tweaked by IT support
[09:23] <Myrtti> so I'm feeling hesitant over nuking the partitions and doing a fresh install
[09:23] <DGJones> I spent quite a bit of time in the last week looking at laptops for my father-in-law and don't think any of them didn't come with bluetooth
[09:24] <Myrtti> DGJones: Dell and clueless IT support...
[09:25] <DGJones> Myrtti, Right, probably find it was more expensive as well as it was non-standard in not including BT
[09:25] <Myrtti> I do confess that I feel kinda guilty for not telling them exactly what I wanted
[09:25] <Myrtti> I just told them I want HD screen, webcam, fast enough CPU that I don't start crying when doing LaTeX and enough RAM that that won't be the bottleneck
[09:26] <Myrtti> "and please the smallest possible model you can order"
[09:26] <DGJones> Even so, they must have trawled the Dell website to find one without BT
[09:27] <SuperMatt> any reason why you don't want blutooth?
[09:27] <SuperMatt> I'm sure you can just switch it off in the bios/OS so it doesn't bother you
[09:28] <DGJones> Next time just tell them you IBM's Deep Blue in a laptop case with a 2560*1200 HD screen
[09:29] <DGJones> Powered by Unicorns
[09:29] <Myrtti> DGJones: by default the configuration list adds bluetooth it seems, but they must've taken it off and saved 4€
[09:30] <Myrtti> (so now I have requested for a Bluetooth 4.0 dongle that costs 15€)
[09:30] <diplo> Just get one of the tiny bluetooth usb things Myrtti £2-3
[09:30] <ali1234> £1 at poundland
[09:30] <ali1234> and they work fine
[09:30] <Myrtti> I'm not going to spend a penny of my own money, I've just put it on the Health and Safety purchase list
[09:30] <diplo> Even better, mines plugged into mine, forget about it as it's so small :)
[09:31] <Myrtti> from a reputable seller that does invoices
[09:35] <JamesTait> Morning all! :-D
[09:48] <jussi> Im still liking the Sony Vaio Pro 11
[09:48] <jussi> Mind, I had a play with a thinkpad carbon and dear $diety, if they came in an 11 inch...
[10:01] <DGJones> Hmmh, wierd problem ssh'd into a box at home, when I start byobu, its scrolling down the screen as though a carriage return is being pressed on the keyboard, but it doesn't happen outside of byobu
[10:03] <diplo> DGJones: I've had that
[10:03] <DGJones> Any idea how to fix it
[10:03] <diplo> Tmux issue, change to screen and it's fine.
[10:03] <DGJones> I've rebooted the machine
[10:04] <diplo> That was with putty
[10:04] <DGJones> Very odd, screen doesn't do it, I'll give it another reboot & just see if that fixes it
[10:04] <DGJones> Yes, same here
[10:04] <diplo> I'll find a post
[10:04] <ali1234> tsux :P
[10:05] <popey> can someone open System Log on ubuntu 13.10 and tell me if they see date stamps?
[10:05] <popey> in the syslog -> today area
[10:05] <ali1234> how do you open it?
[10:05] <SuperMatt> uhhh
[10:05] <SuperMatt> I just had it crash
[10:06] <SuperMatt> and again
[10:06] <popey> well, I use Dash -> sys... press enter
[10:06] <diplo> Did you run this DGJones byobu-select-backend
[10:06] <diplo> ?
[10:06] <SuperMatt> (gnome-system-log:28466): Gtk-CRITICAL **: _gtk_css_rgba_value_get_rgba: assertion 'rgba->class == &GTK_CSS_VALUE_RGBA' failed
[10:06] <SuperMatt> [1]    28466 segmentation fault (core dumped)  gnome-system-lo
[10:06] <DGJones> diplo, No, Just straight "byobu"
[10:06] <popey>  /usr/bin/gnome-system-log
[10:06] <SuperMatt> g
[10:07] <ali1234> not installed
[10:07] <diplo> To change from tmoux to screen DGJones
[10:07] <popey> gnome-system-log is the package
[10:07] <DGJones> Yeah, I'll give that a go
[10:07] <SuperMatt> keeps segfaulting on me
[10:07] <popey> oof
[10:07] <popey> that's a separate bug then
[10:07] <SuperMatt> yup \o/
[10:07] <ali1234> ok it works for me. what am i looking for?
[10:07] <popey> the dates in the syslog bit
[10:08] <popey> the dates are white on white for me
[10:08] <popey> so only show when I mouse select them
[10:08] <ali1234> they are grey on white for me
[10:08] <popey> hmm
[10:08] <popey> theme issue?
[10:08] <SuperMatt> mayhap
[10:08] <ali1234> i don't have anything that says "today"
[10:08] <popey> no triangle next to syslog?
[10:08] <SuperMatt> interesting
[10:08] <ali1234> no. actually it does say "today" though
[10:09] <popey> bug 1045602
[10:09] <SuperMatt> when I set my theme to ambiance, my segfault goes away
[10:09] <popey> seems already filed
[10:09] <SuperMatt> and my dates are white on white too
[10:09] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/277700
[10:10] <popey> right, so theme issue
[10:10] <popey> the bug confirms it, thanks
[10:10] <SuperMatt> excellent bug hunting everyone. we make a great team
[10:11] <ali1234> i can't reproduce it by changing to ambiance/radiance
[10:11] <ali1234> might need to restart it though
[10:11] <ali1234> yes, there we go
[10:11] <SuperMatt> can't beliebe it segfaults for me just because I'm using a different theme
[10:11] <SuperMatt> numix, for what it's worth
[10:12] <ali1234> HA
[10:12] <ali1234> report that, they'll want to fix it
[10:12] <SuperMatt> sure
[10:12] <ali1234> i'll confirm it
[10:13] <popey> probably needs filing upstream in gnome
[10:13] <ali1234> numix isn't gnome
[10:13] <popey> not what i meant
[10:14] <popey> its not a bug in gnome-system-log?
[10:14] <ali1234> well, i meant report it to the numix devs
[10:14] <ali1234> gnome-system-log look slike yet more abandonware
[10:17] <popey> 3.9.3 in development..
[10:17] <ali1234> bug 1231439 already reported
[10:18] <ali1234> apparently all the shimmer themes except for the one i use cause it
[10:18] <popey> is there a terminal or tail type command that highlights new lines ?
[10:18] <ali1234> i don't understand. how do you highlight a none printing character?
[10:18] <popey> no, i mean new appended lines
[10:18] <popey> like, make the most recent lines added in the last 10 seconds bold
[10:18] <popey> then unbold after 10s
[10:19] <ali1234> hmm...
[10:19] <popey> so if i glance at the terminal running it I can see the new lines added recently
[10:20] <popey> ooh, multitail is nice
[10:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:23] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:23] <DJones> Does anybody know whether anything replaced the noip2 client
[10:26] <diplo> ddns DJones ?
[10:27] <MooDoo> DJones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/184704/the-noip2-no-ip-com-package-was-deleted-from-the-repository-now-what
[10:27] <popey> i do that inside my router
[10:27] <popey> lots show up if you apt-cache search dyndns
[10:28] <DJones> Cheers, was using dyndns, but for some reason its stopped working
[10:31] <popey> i use afraid.org now
[10:32] <diplo> I am with them but can't get my client to update, there is a bug already
[10:32]  * diplo looks
[10:32]  * brobostigon uses them also.
[10:33] <diplo> yeah ddclient is what I used, and it doesn't like updating
[10:36] <DJones> Ah well, ddclient with no-ip settings works fine
[10:37] <diplo> yeah. protocol should be set to freedns but it's unknown. Find the bug now
[10:38] <diplo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/1092966
[10:39] <diplo> Seems I need 3.8.1
[10:48] <ali1234> popey: this should work: watch --color 'tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep --color=always -E "$(date +"%h %d %H")|$"'
[10:48] <ali1234> but it doesn't :(
[10:48] <ali1234> instead of showing the colour, it just eats it instead
[10:48] <ali1234> tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep --color=always -E "$(date +"%h %d %H")|$" works
[10:50] <ali1234> and why is whoopsie spamming syslog every minute?
[10:55] <popey> ooh!
[10:55] <popey> watch has a colour option, didnt know that
[10:56] <ali1234> but it doesn't work
[11:01] <SuperMatt> I didn't know that either \o/
[11:01] <SuperMatt> you guys know about ccze?
[11:02] <SuperMatt> tail -f /var/log/syslog | ccze
[11:02] <SuperMatt> nice coloured tail logs
[11:02] <popey> am I right in saying any nvidia card with 3 (or more) ports will be able to drive 3 monitors with the binary driver in twinview mode?
[11:03] <directhex> iirc yes
[11:03] <directhex> well, depends
[11:03] <popey> ta
[11:03] <popey> oh?
[11:03] <directhex> one of them has to be displayport afaik
[11:03] <popey> or hdmi?
[11:03] <popey> (my card has 2xDVI 1xmini HDMI)
[11:03] <directhex> the problem is pixel clocks
[11:04] <popey> is there a definitive way to find out, by browsing amazon or whatever?
[11:04] <directhex> you need a pixel clock to synchronize a display and a graphics card, so the card & monitor agree on the data rate
[11:04] <popey> Some spec thing to look for
[11:05] <directhex> consumer-level cards tend to only include two pixel clocks
[11:06] <directhex> displayport avoids the problem because it doesn't need a pixel clock (unless using a DP -> something else adapter)
[11:07] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/226579/best-triple-head-display-setup
[11:07] <popey> guy in the comment says he has 2xDVI, 1xHDMI, 1xVGA
[11:07] <directhex> popey, which GPU do you have?
[11:08] <popey> its not for me
[11:08] <popey> oh, mine.. uh
[11:08] <popey> I'm asking for someone on my LUG
[11:09] <directhex> looks like geforce 600 series has 4 pixel clocks
[11:09] <directhex> 500 and below has 2
[11:10] <popey> ta
[11:29] <penguin42> directhex: By 'pixel clocks' is that the same thing as CRTCs ?
[11:31] <penguin42> because on things that support xrandr you can see in the output of xrandr --verbose   CRTCs lines showing which CRTCs can be used for a particular output
[11:32] <directhex> yeah
[11:42] <DJones> Hmmh, I wonder whether its worth saving for one of these http://bartongeorge.net/2013/11/15/introducing-sputnik-3-and-its-unofficial-big-brother/
[11:59] <StevenR> morning. Got a problem with one user's profile/account that I can't pin down. No videos play. Not youtube/vlc/mythtv - they all just stall until killed. It works with a fresh user, but I can't see anything that would block it. Both users are in the video/audio groups. Any ideas what would break this?
[11:59] <penguin42> StevenR: I wonder if it's actually audio related?
[12:00] <penguin42> StevenR: Do audio things work?
[12:00]  * StevenR goes to try
[12:01] <penguin42> StevenR: Either way, get a pctl info   from the working and none working users
[12:03] <StevenR> penguin42: no pctl command?
[12:03] <penguin42> pactl info
[12:06] <StevenR> penguin42: yes, audio related
[12:07] <StevenR> penguin42: pactl info on the broken user is stalling, returning nothing so far
[12:07] <penguin42> StevenR: OK, hmm
[12:07] <penguin42> StevenR: Is this multiple users logged in at the same time?
[12:07] <StevenR> no
[12:08] <penguin42> ps -eaf|grep pulse
[12:09] <DJones> diplo: I found out why byobu was scrolling up when using putty, its because Ubuntu expects UTF8 whereas putty defaults to ISO-8859 and for some reason it was causing confusions/scrolling, changing the translation in putty to UTF8 fixed the issue
[12:11] <StevenR> penguin42: there's a "start-pulseaudio-x11" running as the broken user that appears stalled
[12:11] <popey> StevenR: what are you running there? Ubuntu?
[12:11] <StevenR> yes
[12:12] <penguin42> StevenR: Ooh never seen that
[12:12] <penguin42> StevenR: You should just see a /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[12:12] <popey> what does "pulseaudio -v --check" say?
[12:13] <popey> also, grep autospawn /etc/pulse/client.conf
[12:13] <StevenR> popey: ; autospawn = yes
[12:14] <StevenR> popey: pulseaudio -v --check is stalled
[12:14]  * penguin42 would be tempted to nuke ~/.config/pulse   kill that hanging process and see what happens on a logout/in
[12:14] <popey> also ~/.pulse
[12:15] <popey> I would also do the magic fix... "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" :D
[12:15] <penguin42> and walk around the machine 3 times clockwise
[12:15] <popey> don't forget to draw a pentagram on the floor
[12:20] <StevenR> hurrah!
[12:20] <penguin42> popey: Must have been the pentagram!
[12:20] <popey> the pentagram worked huh?
[12:20] <StevenR> .pulse and .pulse-cookie gone
[12:20] <popey> :D
[12:21] <diplo> ooh good work DJones, I'd never thought of that :/
[12:22] <DJones> diplo: It was a lucky google search
[12:22] <DJones> (Other search engines are available)
[12:22] <StevenR> popey: penguin42: Thanks. all working now. :D
[12:22] <penguin42> good good
[12:23] <penguin42> StevenR: I guess one of those config/state files got into a mess and for some reason it screwed up the next startup
[12:23]  * StevenR nods
[12:26] <diplo> I think I went for the first option.
[13:28] <ali1234> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6437455/
[13:29] <ali1234> this was unnecessarily difficult to achieve due to all the stupid ways python and the shell buffer things
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> $|++;
[13:29] <popey> golly
[13:32] <popey> does it work? ☻
[13:32] <popey> i just get a blank screen
[13:32] <ali1234> unpossible
[13:33] <popey> oh, i need to specify a parameter?
[13:34] <ali1234> no?
[13:34] <ali1234> just pipe a command in to it
[13:34] <popey> i just get a blank window
[13:34] <popey> ahh
[13:34] <popey> of course
[13:34] <ali1234> such as tail somefile
[13:35] <popey> oh thats awesome
[13:35] <popey> thanks
[13:35] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6437473/ <- this takes a parameter: number of seconds to highlight the new lines
[13:36] <ali1234> it buffers up to the last 4MB of log
[13:36] <ali1234> usually this means the last 1000 lines, lines can be up to 4096 bytes
[13:37] <popey> brilliant, just what i needed.
[13:37] <ali1234> i dunno what will happen if the line gets split
[13:37] <popey> now can you code me up a vga cable?
[13:38] <ali1234> oh and it writes out the entire histroy every 0.2 seconds so in theory it can blast 20mb/sec onto your terminal, so watch out for that
[13:39] <ali1234> that needs fixing really
[13:44] <popey> my cpu keeps getting throttled when the temp is over some threshold
[13:44] <popey> but it only does it momentarily, but it does it a lot
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: PC or laptop?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: new or old?
[13:45] <popey> x220 in docking station
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> (dusty or not, but I guess you've checked that)
[13:45] <popey> been a problem for ages
[13:45] <popey> nah
[13:45] <popey> cleaned it out and it made no difference
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Lenovo design fial? (docking station blocks ports?)
[13:46] <popey> luckily its easy to clean
[13:46] <popey> yes
[13:46] <popey> no
[13:46] <popey> no, ports are clear
[13:46] <popey> it does it when not in the dock too, just not as often
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> does the docking station itself heat up with use?
[13:46] <popey> i am told by someone in the know that its a design fault, it cant dump the heat from the i7
[13:47] <popey> hard to tell
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> I'm quite happy with my XPS-12 btw
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> I had to order a laptop between the previous "Developer edition" going "out of print" and the new one being announced..
[13:47] <popey> tempted to sell this and get something else which doesn't work in a dock but has 1080p screen
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> so I got the XPS-12 rotating screen one
[13:48] <popey> wow, i can trigger cpu over speed by opening gnome terminal
[13:49] <popey> sometimes..
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> wow, that's bad
[13:50] <penguin42> popey: How long have you had it?
[13:52] <popey> Order Date: 27 January 2012
[13:53] <penguin42> popey: I mean if it was a design fault then EU what-ever thingy, but it's very hard to actually prove it
[13:53] <popey> will call lenovo and start the process anyway
[13:56] <popey> top - 13:56:49 up 9 days,  5:36,  5 users,  load average: 0.46, 1.21, 1.10
[13:56] <popey> and its 80 degrees
[14:02] <mungbean> rip-off merchants on amazon really annoy me. how can you search only amazon sales rather than 3rd party?
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: when searching, it's in the column on the left I think
[14:03] <mungbean> items that should sell for £2.50 are appaering £85 all spammed by the same seller
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you can also report those
[14:03] <mungbean> are there rules about it?
[14:04] <mungbean> nothing o nthe left for "viewmaster thomas"
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yeah, there are. They can't do things like "£1 item, £100 shipping" for instance
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: let me check
[14:04] <popey> filter on the left, last thing
[14:05] <popey> says "seller"
[14:05] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_in_-2_p_6_3?rh=n%3A468292%2Ck%3Aquadcopter%2Cp_6%3AA3P5ROKL5A1OLE&bbn=468292&keywords=quadcopter&ie=UTF8&qid=1384783475&rnid=367778011
[14:05] <mungbean> not appearing on mine.
[14:06] <mungbean> i can only filter delivery option, brand, dept.
[14:07] <popey> its quite far down
[14:07] <popey> after you have searched
[14:07] <popey> maybe assumes that you already have results in your search from amazon.co.uk
[14:08] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/YpBqkWN.png
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yeah, that probably means there's only one merchant, so you can't filter more
[14:09] <mungbean> that was a general viewmaster reels search, lots of "merchants"
[14:09] <mungbean> weird
[14:11] <ali1234> aw, i jst tried to scroll your screenshot
[14:11] <mungbean> ihihih
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://i.imgur.com/wjANVCD.jpg
[14:41] <GentileBen> mungbean, your nick isn't very exciting.
[14:41] <GentileBen> Aren't there more dynamic beans you can name yourself after?
[14:43] <mungbean> i'm changing at christmas
[14:46]  * TheOpenSourcerer instantly thinks of borlotti
[14:54] <MooDoo> mungbean: what to?  broad?  backed? jumping? ;)
[14:54] <MooDoo> *baked
[14:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> butter, green, has (lol)
[14:57] <MooDoo> lol
[14:58] <GentileBen> Mr
[14:59] <GentileBen> "Butterbean" sounds like a term of endearment amongst vegetarians.
[14:59] <GentileBen> "I love you, my little butterbean..."

[15:03] <GentileBen> mungbean's family reunion http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/377904658_288e03e282.jpg
[15:04] <MooDoo> GentileBen: I assume you know mungbean ?
[15:05] <GentileBen> I do, very well.
[15:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Pinto!"
[15:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's an exciting sounding name
[15:06] <mgdm> it's a chain of Mexican fast food places, too
[15:07] <mgdm> they do burritos. Which I now want.
[15:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh er. Never knew that.
[15:08] <mgdm> Oh, they're only in Scotland so far.
[15:08] <GentileBen> As long as they stay north of the wall.
[15:09] <GentileBen> The Scots are like the White Walkers if they had a higher birth rate.
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> We'll build it back up again if they vote to leave. Keep the barbarians out of our green and (sometimes)pleasant land :-)
[15:09] <mgdm> I have no idea what you're on about, but I'm going to take it as an insult
[15:16]  * dwatkins_ pops in, sees his home is being talked about in what appears to be a negative fashion, and disappears again
[15:17] <DJones> popey: Any sign of your N7 update yet?
[15:24] <popey> nope
[15:24] <popey> and the link to the android aosp file was 404 last time i tried
[15:24] <popey> oh there now https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#nakasikrt16o
[15:25] <DJones> Just been reading a few postings about it, mainly suggesting it would be the US first then the rest of the world in stages after 2 weeks
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> that's the factory images
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> you could use those to upgrade non-destructively if you want
[15:26] <DJones> .... COuld do, but much simpler to wait patiently...
[15:29] <popey> how can you upgrade non-destructively?
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: you download the image from there ( make sure it's the one for your version of the device, re: wifi/3g/etc.)
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: then.. let me look it up :)
[15:31] <popey> step one done
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm assuming you have adb/the android sdk
[15:33] <daftykins> ooh 4.4 for the Nexus 4 posted
[15:33] <popey> i do ☻
[15:34] <DJones> Doesn't that do a full wipe & install so you have to reinstall all your apps & settings, which to me does sound pretty destructive
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> popey: you untar that file
[15:34] <GentileBen> Any Scots in here?
[15:35] <GentileBen> ME MAN FROM SOUTH OF WALL. ME BRING FIRE AND JOBSEEKERS' ALLOWANCE
[15:35] <GentileBen> I think they got the message.
[15:35] <DJones> !guidelines | GentileBen
[15:35] <gordonjcp> !ops | GentileBen
[15:36] <Myrtti> what on earth
[15:36] <DJones> GentileBen: This isn't #Defocus, Ubuntu guidelines apply here
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: hmm.. that flash script does a "fastboot erase userdata", which is scary.. it also does "-w" (= wipe data) when writing the update.zip
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: you'll have to remove the -w for sure, and possibly the userdata erase, but I'm not sure about the last one
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: xda-developers probably have a HOWTO somewhere on their N7 forums
[15:39] <popey> ☻
[15:42] <popey> tbh i dont care too much if i wipe the device
[15:42] <popey> I only have 2 apps on it I actually use
[15:44] <daftykins> the 4.3 update caused a cache bug to my Nexus 4 that made 'Android OS' take up over 33% battery whilst on, dropping a 3 day runtime to 1.5
[15:44] <daftykins> so i kind of like the idea of clean installs even on phones now >_<
[15:44] <daftykins> when i set up smartphones for clients, i apply all updates then factory reset before first configure
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I had that bug today with "Google Play Services", turning phone off & on fixed it for me
[15:45] <daftykins> interesting
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: but that's a Nexus 5
[15:50] <popey> boom, done
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: with or without wipe?
[15:51] <popey> just ran flash-all
[15:51] <popey> sending 'system' (611878 KB)...
[15:51] <popey> wheee
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> ok, so you wiped it. Fair enough :)
[15:52] <popey> i only use it as my second screen running irssinotifier and tune in radio
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> Not as an Ubuntu test platform?
[15:55] <popey> not that one
[15:55] <popey> i have two
[15:56] <popey> plus we didnt focus much on tablets last cycle, but will this one
[15:56] <popey> so will probably switch it later
[15:59] <popey> wow, takes ages
[16:00] <AlanBell> popey: what are the odds of it working on the tesco hudl?
[16:00] <popey> so when i said "done"
[16:00] <popey> none whatsoever
[16:02] <SuperMatt> is there a default username and password for machines made in juju?
[16:03] <Laney> don't you do 'juju ssh'?
[16:05] <SuperMatt> I didn't think of that
[16:05] <SuperMatt> Laney: that worked, thanks
[16:16] <directhex> Azelphur, http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81%20Pro%20BTC/index.asp :D
[16:19] <penguin42> directhex: I'm missing something - is it's only clame to being a good bitcoin box a sensible number of PCIe slots?
[16:20] <penguin42> (and a dehumidifier mode?!)
[16:20] <directhex> penguin42, yes.
[16:21] <daftykins> >_<
[16:21] <directhex> penguin42, they don't even pack in the PCIe ribbons they picture on their site, which are needed to use double-width cards in their abundant PCIe slots
[16:22] <penguin42> what are those?
[16:22] <penguin42> just PCIe cabling - then where do you mount the cards?
[16:23] <daftykins> messily
[16:23] <daftykins> D:
[16:23] <directhex> penguin42, you don't :D
[16:23] <directhex> you just sorta pile them up...
[16:23] <directhex> or build a case out of lego
[16:29] <penguin42> directhex: Rigggghhht
[16:29] <penguin42> directhex: So don't people use PCI-bridge boards to provide themselves more slots then?
[16:29] <daftykins> totally up the avenue of a loan wasting student i'd say
[16:30] <penguin42> daftykins: It's what drives the economy
[16:30] <directhex> you can't turn a profit with GPU-based bitcoin anymore
[16:30] <directhex> the whole premise of the board is pants on head
[16:31] <penguin42> directhex: and what do the hardware accels plug into?
[16:32] <daftykins> yeah aren't the cool kids using err, what's the term, FPGAs?
[16:32] <directhex> ASICs
[16:32] <penguin42> are FPGAs able to break the cost? good FPGAs cost a fortune
[16:32] <daftykins> that's the one
[16:33] <directhex> and they're all USB or ethernet
[16:35] <directhex> except for a few bits of vaporware
[16:42] <popey> sending 'userdata' (137526 KB)...
[16:42] <popey> still going
[16:42] <popey> 40 mins later
[16:42] <popey> s/40/50/
[16:43] <daftykins> properly looking bleak down on the high-street just by my place now
[16:43] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aoc0k25r2ctvu9y/IMG_20131118_163736.jpg
[16:43] <penguin42> that's not bleak!
[16:43] <SuperMatt> hey, your sky seems to be brighter than mine
[16:44] <SuperMatt> where did you get that from?
[16:44] <daftykins> :D
[16:44] <SuperMatt> you're not in some kind of foreign land, are you?
[16:44] <daftykins> i think it's more the poor low light pic taking with the Nexus 4
[16:44] <daftykins> yes, this is the high-street of our capital St Peter Port down here on the isle of Guernsey
[16:45] <Laney> looks pleasant to me
[16:45] <penguin42> nod, looks very nice
[16:45] <popey> yeah, very xmassy
[16:45] <daftykins> well technically it's Le Pollet, but meh, high-street is over in the distance :D
[16:45] <daftykins> heh yeah they get the fire brigade to put up the lights
[16:45] <popey> way better than my home town looks
[16:46] <daftykins> i just nipped 30 seconds down to there to buy a nice coffee :D
[16:46] <daftykins> mmm mocha
[16:46] <Laney> mmmocha
[16:46] <daftykins> :D
[16:46] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bmplgmnjxgoliku/IMG_20131011_181856.jpg
[16:47] <daftykins> that one from a while back is a bit more like what i'm trying to portray :D
[16:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4vmivd3wh11qmwn/IMG_20131012_180311.jpg
[16:47] <daftykins> or perhaps ominous cloud about Castle Cornet
[16:50] <daftykins> last one, i think i shared my little panoramic stitch a bit ago
[16:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/asiekrtkx92xr1e/saleriepano.jpg
[16:50] <daftykins> :>
[16:51] <SuperMatt> daftykins: you're quite far south, aren't you?
[16:51] <daftykins> just fitted the two new 500GB seagate laptop drives today, currently racing Vista against 7 installing Windows Updates ¬_¬
[16:51] <daftykins> SuperMatt: yip practically France :>
[16:51] <SuperMatt> do you mean actually france?
[16:51] <SuperMatt> or dover?
[16:51] <daftykins> well Guernsey's in the little sort of pocket of the north
[16:52] <SuperMatt> ah
[16:52] <SuperMatt> that's the island name I couldn't remember
[16:52] <daftykins> next to Cherbourg and St. Malo
[16:52] <daftykins> http://goo.gl/maps/STS1Z
[16:52] <daftykins> :)
[16:52] <popey> so should I kill this flash-all script?
[16:53] <popey> alan     13908  0.3 12.2 1269596 983704 pts/10 D+   15:50   0:11 fastboot -w update image-nakasi-krt16o.zip
[16:53] <daftykins> popey: still chugging along? i'd just commit to it
[16:53] <popey> hmm
[16:53] <daftykins> depends if you have a google account on it that you enable device backup for
[16:53] <daftykins> i don't so nuking my device would be followed by lots of manual setup
[16:54] <popey> i didnt backup at all
[16:54] <popey> its all in the cloud
[16:56] <daftykins> yeah Google device backup - that's what i mean
[17:03] <SuperMatt> is there a juju channel?
[17:04] <popey> ya
[17:04] <popey> #juju
[17:05] <SuperMatt> cool, I'll check that out later
[17:05] <SuperMatt> I'm just trying one more thing
[17:06] <SuperMatt> maybe I'll pop in there tomorrow
[17:06] <SuperMatt> I'm done with thinking about things for today
[17:06] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <SuperMatt> brain has stopped working
[17:06] <daftykins> 5pm = brain off o'clock \o/
[17:06] <daftykins> not for me though
[17:06] <SuperMatt> so I shall be going to the gym instead
[17:06] <daftykins> barely got started XD
[17:07] <daftykins> hf!
[17:07] <SuperMatt> I'm not technically allowed to leave for the gym for another 23 minutes
[17:07] <penguin42> start jogging around your desk?
[17:07] <SuperMatt> but brain is definitely off
[17:07] <daftykins> :D
[17:07] <SuperMatt> penguin42: the wall might have something to say about that
[17:07] <bashrc> locked in?
[17:07] <SuperMatt> just core hours
[17:08] <bashrc> core brain hours
[17:08] <SuperMatt> core brain hours are like 10-10.30
[17:09] <SuperMatt> work hours are 9-5.30
[17:09] <SuperMatt> you see the problem here?
[17:10] <penguin42> SuperMatt: Does it specify timezone?
[17:10] <SuperMatt> don't be silly
[17:10] <SuperMatt> it's my own damn timezone
[17:11] <SuperMatt> sometimes it worries me that this channel is publicly archived
[17:12] <daftykins> i feel a tad iffy about it
[17:13] <SuperMatt> only because of some of the silly things I say
[17:13] <daftykins> :D
[17:13] <SuperMatt> ugg, my brain really is switched off right now
[17:13] <penguin42> SuperMatt: And publicly searchable
[17:13] <SuperMatt> I'm hoping buying a sad lamp is going to help me
[17:14] <daftykins> i always think whoever came up with the acronym for seasonal affective disorder must've been so chuffed with themselves
[17:14] <SuperMatt> quite likely
[17:15] <SuperMatt> I imagine it was a pub moment
[17:20] <penguin42> daftykins: It was probably the highlight of their winter
[17:20] <daftykins> :D
[17:24] <SuperMatt> they clearly weren't sad that day
[17:27] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:29] <SuperMatt> only a minute to go \o/
[17:29] <SuperMatt> and then I get to hit the gym
[17:29] <SuperMatt> I must go because I only went once last week
[17:29] <SuperMatt> very naught of me
[17:32] <Laney> you little horror
[17:32] <Azelphur> directhex: I noticed that, it's amusing because of how late it is :)
[17:44] <popey> 2 hours flashing 4.4
[17:44] <popey> I am not convinced this is doing anything
[17:45] <popey> yup, frozen
[17:45] <daftykins> d'aww
[17:46] <popey> pretty boot animation
[17:46] <penguin42> but did it freeze with a complete install?
[17:48] <popey> \o/ booted
[17:48] <daftykins> think it crapped out on user data
[17:48] <popey> ya
[17:48] <popey> "Restoring..."
[17:49] <popey> "Setup complete"
[17:50] <popey> \o/ irssi notifier setup
[17:50] <popey> first notification received, work here is done
[17:56] <daftykins> \o/
[17:56] <daftykins> i shall wait for mine to be prompted for the update :>
[17:58] <daftykins> and my reinstall of this Vista laptop is nearly done
[17:58] <daftykins> tum-te-tum
[18:07] <diddledan> just reading oliver grawert's comments about mint
[18:08] <daftykins> who's he when he's at home?
[18:08] <bashrc> does he like it?
[18:08] <diddledan> lemme get the link
[18:09] <diddledan> he's an "engineering bod" at canonical... (from omgbuntu)
[18:10] <diddledan> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/canonical-dev-dont-use-linux-mint-online-banking-unsecure
[18:11] <diddledan> and the obligatory other-side http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/linux-mint-responds-ubuntu-developers-security-claims
[18:13] <bashrc> probably sour grapes.  Mint has been at the top of the distrowatch chart for the longest time
[18:15] <diddledan> the response really makes me feel better about mint's security stance </sarcasm>
[18:16] <daftykins> heh yeah
[18:16] <daftykins> "we do it because"
[18:17] <diddledan> "we prefer you never have to reboot or suffer a crashed programme than ensure those programmes never get any nasties"

[18:18] <diddledan> direct quote from mint's blog: Anybody running Mint can launch Update Manager -> Edit -> Preferences and enable level 4 and 5 updates, thus making their Linux Mint as “Secure” and “Unstable” as Ubuntu.
[18:19] <daftykins> dist-upgrade would do it too?
[18:20] <diddledan> that's unclear
[18:20] <diddledan> it seems that gui rules
[18:21] <daftykins> i figured the topic was mostly regarding novice users
[18:24] <diddledan> gotta love that everyone who responds to this http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/11/answering-controversy-stability-vs-security-is-something-you-configure/ seems to be "canonical is evil. canonical must die. wait, people other than canonical develop ubuntu? HAH! canonibuntu must be obliterated from the timeline (soon, please)"
[19:07] <ali1234> diddledan: no, the funny part is canonical trying to do damage control in the suspects
[19:08] <ali1234> *comments
[19:08] <ali1234> lol where's my head at?
[19:08] <diddledan> lol @ suspects
[19:08] <diddledan> grr, google can't find my cloudprint printer
[19:09] <diddledan> it was working last week
[19:09] <diddledan> it's decided to go "offline"
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: native or from a machien running chrome?
[19:09] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: this particular occasion is via chrome
[19:09] <directhex> :o
[19:09] <directhex> :)
[19:09] <directhex> :D
[19:09] <directhex> :D
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: is that chrome running? :)
[19:09] <directhex> remember my blog post from earlier this week?
[19:10] <ali1234> no
[19:10]  * AlanBell nods
[19:10] <AlanBell> mips stuff
[19:10] <directhex> https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=mono&ver=3.2.3%2Bdfsg-3&arch=mipsel
[19:10] <ali1234> oh yeah
[19:10] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: the printer is a cloudprint enabled printer so it works directly with google without an intermediary chrome instance
[19:10] <AlanBell> it built \o/
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: OK.. can you get to its web interface?
[19:11] <directhex> AlanBell, in the end, even with the replacement NOP instruction, it would still fail with the same issue - it would get further (most of the way through .net 4.5 rather than early in .net 2.0) but still failing
[19:11] <diddledan> random: why do debian use their own certification authority for their ssl certs?
[19:12] <directhex> AlanBell, and as luck would have it... i was assigned a buildd with an 11 year old broadcom chip, not a chinese mips clone
[19:12] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: yeah, I just been trawling through the admin to find a reason for it to not be working
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: have you tried turning it off and on again? :P
[19:12] <AlanBell> directhex: I just ordered the first 7 raspberry pis for the build cluster
[19:12] <diddledan> hmm, no, I've not tried that one *smax head*
[19:13] <diddledan> ok, that seemed to fix it
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> I need to find something to put my NAS on
[19:13] <diddledan> I think
[19:13] <directhex> AlanBell, i should have mono ready for armhf ubuntu by the end of the year ;)
[19:13] <diddledan> maybe not
[19:13] <AlanBell> yay
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> it's resonating with the cabinet I put it itn :)
[19:14] <diddledan> nope, that didn't fix it
[19:14] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: haha it's letting you know it's alive!
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: de-register, re-register with google?
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: a bit too much though
[19:14] <ali1234> how much faster than a raspberry pi is a beaglebone black?
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I mean, it mails me every day when it's done its backup
[19:14] <ali1234> and does it run ubuntu armhf?
[19:15] <directhex> ali1234, lots, and yes
[19:15] <ali1234> lots = 10x?
[19:15] <directhex> http://www.ti.com/product/am3358
[19:16] <diddledan> it says "processing failed with error code -93"
[19:16] <diddledan> hmm
[19:17] <AlanBell> ali1234: 2x
[19:17] <AlanBell> for raw CPU, the pi wins when there is anything graphical, which there isn't in this context
[19:19] <directhex> ali1234, raspberry pi has the iphone 3g's cpu, minus any IO acceleration. beaglebone black is galaxy S
[19:19] <directhex> give or take
[19:19] <directhex> YMMV
[19:19] <directhex> IANAL
[19:19] <directhex> IDDQD
[19:19] <ali1234> ah, something i can actually understand
[19:19] <directhex> the pi is fast for any job where you ask yourself "would a Sky Box do this?" because it's a set-top box cpu
[19:20] <ali1234> yeah
[19:20] <directhex> high-end HD capable video decode GPU, plus enough CPU to draw a programme guide
[19:20] <AlanBell> both have 512MB ram
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> directhex: hence, XBMC
[19:21] <directhex> AND NOT A DROP OF EXTRA POWER
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but wait, you can overclock it a few MHz
[19:44] <daftykins> directhex: IANAL = i am not a lemur?
[19:44] <directhex> yes
[19:45] <daftykins> :O
[19:45] <diddledan> nowai
[19:46] <daftykins> alright two laptops reinstalled after new HDDs put in
[19:46] <daftykins> 4.5hrs work i guess
[19:47] <daftykins> time to cook!
[19:47] <daftykins> \o
[20:13] <DJones> daftykins: I guess that wan't a windows reinstall then
[20:20] <diddledan> sorry about the join/part flood if you've got them turned on
[20:20] <diddledan> I was trying to run my macbook with the lid closed. it didn't work.
[20:21] <DJones> diddledan: Do you want a delayed kick :)
[20:21] <DJones> Lets put it this way, it wasn't exactly noticable
[20:21] <diddledan> it depends. is the kick in the googlies or not?
[20:22] <DJones> Does it matter with steel toe capped boots?
[20:22] <diddledan> it was noticeable from my end, does that count? :-p
[20:22] <diddledan> steel toe caps are the best kind of kicks
[20:22] <DJones> I think thats forgiveable anyway
[20:24] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:24] <diddledan> evenink
[20:24] <brobostigon> evening MooDoo
[21:37] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/402365655250644992/photo/1
[21:37] <diddledan> I'll just leave that there
[21:46] <directhex> (experimental_mipsel-dchroot)directhex@eder:~$ mono --version | head -1
[21:46] <directhex> Mono JIT compiler version 3.2.3 (Debian 3.2.3+dfsg-3)
[21:46] <diddledan> directhex: nice
[21:47] <diddledan> aside: what does the dfsg in some of debian's package versions refer to?
[21:48] <diddledan> I thought maybe debian foundation security group, but it's a wild guess
[21:49] <ali1234> it stands for debian free software guidelines
[21:49] <directhex> yeah
[21:49] <directhex> it means a source tarball has been rebuilt (i.e. is not identical to the download on the software's site) because their source fails to meet the debian free software guidelines
[21:49] <ali1234> presumably it means you had to patch it to make it "free"
[21:50] <directhex> e.g. bundling of binaries, or bundling of non-Free things like RFC text
[21:51] <directhex> generally, see debian/README.source in a source package
[21:51] <diddledan> oic, so their firefox package (I forget what they called it. ice weasel?) would be one of those
[21:56] <ali1234> i think ice weasel is technically forked upstream
[22:06] <directhex> i updated my blog post. http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/545/
[22:07] <neuro> is it a blog post about doctor who?
[22:10] <penguin42> directhex: HTH can you ship a processo ron which the NOP is broken?!
[22:10] <directhex> penguin42, china.
[22:10] <directhex> penguin42, this is the cpu in the computer RMS was endorsing.
[22:10] <penguin42> sigh - that is possibly the first broken nop I've come across
[22:11] <penguin42> directhex: But for the mul, is there a reason the kernel doesn't flag/emulate it - does it even generate an exception?
[22:11] <directhex> penguin42, well, SIGILL
[22:12] <neuro> rms was endorsing a computer?
[22:12] <neuro> god help us
[22:12] <directhex> penguin42, the thing is, the mips ISA does not include MUL. it's normal for MIPS not to include it.
[22:13] <directhex> MUL is valid mips assembler, but it does not equate to a standardized opcode
[22:13] <directhex> it's supposed to be expanded by your assembly compiler
[22:14] <penguin42> directhex: But what happens when you execute a non-existent opcode  on your processor? It throws some SIGIL?
[22:14] <directhex> yeah
[22:15] <penguin42> so you could get the kernel to emulate

[22:16] <AlanBell> neuro: yeah, he was, tiny crappy laptops, using mips clone processors because it was out of copyright, or nobody was enforcing copyright or something
[22:16] <directhex> mostly because the firmware is Free and in git
[22:16] <directhex> fat lot of good it does you when you can't even NOP
[22:16] <neuro> the Lemote
[22:17] <AlanBell> funny how MIPS went from very desirable silicon graphics workstations to supercheap stuff
[22:18] <ali1234> via games consoles
[22:18] <neuro> because SGI found it a) more cost effective to go Intel in terms of power, a la Apple going from PPC to Intel, and b) they went under
[22:18] <directhex> it was used in several games consoles
[22:18] <directhex> playstation, nintendo 64, playstation 2, playstation vita
[22:18] <directhex> er, PSP not vita
[22:18] <dwatkins> SGI didn't go under, they just got bought out
[22:19] <dwatkins> They've always had a fairly strong clustering business.
[22:20] <neuro> how is going bankrupt not going under?
[22:20] <dwatkins> They had money in the bank, and still existed as a company, they're still selling servers to this day.
[22:20] <neuro> NO WAI!
 :)
[22:21] <dwatkins> I should know, I worked there through several rounds of redundancy.
[22:21] <directhex> we bought SGI kit.
[22:21] <directhex> it was awesome
[22:21] <directhex> and they had the best tech support bar none as well as the best performance
[22:22] <dwatkins> They designed some pretty good stuff, sadly not all of it was so good.
[22:22] <dwatkins> Thanks, directhex - I was in support :)
[22:22] <neuro> dwatkins: sorry, disagree with your assessment
[22:22] <directhex> altix!
[22:22] <neuro> May 2006, SGI files for chapter 11
[22:22] <neuro> October 2006, SGI comes out of chapter 11 protection
[22:22] <dwatkins> neuro: I'm not a finance person, I just know that the company still exists with many of the same people. Perhaps on paper it stopped trading, but that's not what I saw happen.
[22:23] <neuro> Dec 2008, SGI is delisted from NASDAQ
[22:23] <neuro> April 2009, files for chapter 11 again
[22:23] <dwatkins> yeah, that was when it got bought up by Rackable, neuro.
[22:23] <directhex> SGI did a lot of stupid business. e.g. they were leasing old offices to google for less than they were paying on the mortgage
[22:23] <dwatkins> Rackable then changed their name to SGI.
[22:23] <neuro> May 2009, Rackable Systems buys SGI assets and name for $25m
[22:23] <dwatkins> So in financial terms, the old SGI stopped existing, yeah, but that's just on paper.
[22:23] <neuro> June 2009, the old SGI becomes Graphics Properties Holdings, Inc (GPHI), and becomes a patent troll
[22:24] <directhex> dwatkins, i like telling eng lim goh's pringle anecdote
[22:24] <dwatkins> directhex: don't think I heard that one, he's a smart cookie, though.
[22:24] <directhex> dwatkins, P&G bought an Ice cluster. its purpose: fluid dynamics. to try & reduce the aerodynamic nature of pringles, to speed up the production line without them flying off
[22:25] <dwatkins> What saddens me now is working for a much larger company, but not being able to do proper computing like we did at SGI.
[22:26] <neuro> "proper"? you mean like proper computational stuff?
[22:28] <dwatkins> Not just that, but that's part of it.
[22:29] <neuro> your employer doesn't really need any HPC then?
[22:30] <neuro> for me, $employer-2 did
[22:30] <neuro> great big feck off Platform cluster to do chip simulations
[22:30] <dwatkins> Yes and no, we do mostly desktop stuff, but the servers are very windws-centric, so when stuff is put into maintenance for server-side things, there's sometimes downtime.
[22:31] <dwatkins> Granted, that's occasionally unavoidable, but it happens more than it should from my perspective.
[22:31] <dwatkins> It's largely a matter of how things are designed, redundancy and so on.
[22:31] <neuro> we're gonna have a 2 day outage at some point
[22:31] <neuro> big mysql migration
[22:32] <dwatkins> That's utterly unacceptable in the supercomputing world, neuro ;)
[22:32] <neuro> oh jeez i know :)
[22:32] <neuro> mixed 5.1/5.5 on centos/win to 5.6 on ubuntu
[22:32] <dwatkins> I assume it's data that can't just be kept running on one system whilst they upgrade a copy, though.
[22:32] <neuro> too many changes
[22:33] <dwatkins> Such is often the case with customer databases and the like.
[22:33] <neuro> also too many things doing rw to the master and ro to the slaves
[22:33] <dwatkins> I just hope you don't have an IE-only interface to it ;)
[22:33] <neuro> ooh, good call
[22:33] <neuro> let me dig out an old XP laptop
[22:34] <neuro> nah, we use a whole raft of stuff
[22:34] <dwatkins> This is similar to what we use: http://wiki.scn.sap.com/wiki/download/attachments/107611091/5.JPG
[22:34] <neuro> cli, obviously, plus mysql workbench and sequel pro / sqlyog
[22:34] <neuro> holy crap
[22:34] <dwatkins> I have a virtual machine dedicated to using it, so I know it will work no matter what the (Mac) laptop on my desk does.
[22:35] <neuro> that makes Remedy look amazing
[22:35] <neuro> $employer-2 was planning a big SAP rollout for last year or this year
[22:35] <neuro> glad i got out when i did ;)
[22:35] <dwatkins> The strange thing is, at SGI, we used a Windows 2000 application (called "Clarify"), and hated it a little at the time, but looking back, Clarify was superb, fast, and did the job very well.
[22:36] <neuro> ah, Windows 2000
[22:36] <neuro> second best Windows, ever
[22:36] <dwatkins> We even had developers able to extend Clarify, and a web-based mail interface to automatically turn an e-mail into a support case with a modified version of squirrelmail.
[22:36] <dwatkins> It now takes me 3 minutes to do what I could do in about 7 seconds in Clarify.
[22:37] <neuro> this Clarify? http://dovetailsoftware.com/clarify/
[22:38] <neuro> oh, they're a third party
[22:38] <dwatkins> no, this is the best screenshot I can find quickly: http://i.cmpnet.com/callmag2000/content/custsupport110b.gif "Clarify ClearSupport" - it had other functions, too.
[22:39] <dwatkins> Biggest thing that vexes me is that I could have ten cases open in separate windows within Clarify, but the system I use now only lets me have one session open at a time, so one case.
[22:39] <neuro> Amdocs Clarify, used to belong to Nortel, right?
[22:39] <dwatkins> No idea, I imagine it was bought up plenty of times.
[22:39] <neuro> http://connectedplanetonline.com/mag/telecom_amdocs_collects_clarify/
[22:40] <neuro> i'm actually in the market for a decent helpdesk system
[22:40] <neuro> we have a homebrew thing in ASPX which is nasty
[22:40] <dwatkins> Possibly, but the Clarify we used was an application, not browser-based.
[22:40] <dwatkins> The most important thing is sane date ;)
[22:40] <dwatkins> data, even
[22:40] <neuro> I think that thing I first linked to is a web interface to the Clarify backend
[22:41] <dwatkins> If your customer information is incomplete or the database can't be extended, if you grow to a certain size and can't extend it, you're hosed.
[22:41] <neuro> the main problem we have is that our interface is awful
[22:41] <neuro> and the email comms side is non existent
[22:41] <dwatkins> Simple things like how a record is defined, what a site means - having a new entry for each company when they buy new software causes problems further down the line.
[22:42] <neuro> i'd love to go for a SaaS solution, but they're all ridiculously expensive
[22:42] <neuro> i'm going to end up eating the bullet and going RT or OTRS, i know it
[22:42] <dwatkins> not come across those
[22:42] <neuro> zendesk looks incredible, but just not cost-efficient enough for us
[22:42] <neuro> really?
[22:43] <dwatkins> zendesk is great, although I have my reservations about using an external system for anything like that
[22:43] <neuro> i'd have thought most geeks by now would have had to touch either RT or OTRS at some point
[22:43] <neuro> I actually managed an install at smoothwall back in the day, was a pain in the bum
[22:43] <dwatkins> I've not been involved with choosing a CRM.
[22:43] <neuro> it's not a CRM, it's just a helpdesk
[22:43] <dwatkins> ah ok
[22:43] <neuro> although no doubt people have grafted CRM onto it
[22:43] <neuro>  /them
[22:43] <dwatkins> I just know that I've used some systems which are great, mostly browser-based, simple, and hide their complexity.
[22:44] <neuro> i saw zendesk or some other SaaS helpdesk system has gamification built in
[22:44] <dwatkins> There's a video from an Australian company going around at the moment entitled "your user is drunk" which sums-up user interface design quite well
[22:44] <neuro> so you get badges for closing X amount of tickets, or keeping to your KPIs, etc
[22:44] <Seeker`> is youtube down?
[22:44] <dwatkins> ahhh the joy of stats
[22:45] <dwatkins> this works for me, Seeker` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CbbBLVaPk
[22:45] <neuro> Seeker`: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/youtube.com
[22:45] <Seeker`> :O ITS NOT JUST ME
[22:45] <neuro> youtube.com 500'd for me a minute ago, but fine now
[22:45] <Seeker`> all this time I tohught I was alone in the world!
[22:46] <neuro> i love people who do presos where they don't just read what's on the screen
[22:46] <neuro> watching someone fire up powerpoint and read every bullet point is just paaaaaaaaainful
[22:46] <dwatkins> yeah, neuro - that guy seems to really know his stuff
[22:48] <dwatkins> bah, my lovely old iBook no longer does internets, the wifi seems to have stopped working properly
[22:48] <neuro> hit it
[22:49] <neuro> airport cards are pretty cheap on ebay iirc
[22:49] <neuro> "Martinis and code"
[22:49] <neuro> like it
[22:51] <Seeker`> the ballmer peak is real
[22:52] <dwatkins> It detects the networks which are there, I just can't join my WPA2 network even if I choose "other" and select WPA2 Persona.
[22:52] <dwatkins> Personal
[22:53] <neuro> G3 or G4?
[22:54] <dwatkins> G3: http://imagine41.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/p/apple_ibook_g3_350_blue_005_3.jpg
[22:54] <dwatkins> yeah, it's proper old, runs 10.3.9
[22:55] <neuro> http://superuser.com/questions/308931/ibook-g4-tiger-10-4-11-cant-connect-via-secured-wifi
[22:55] <neuro> although they're running 1.04
[22:55] <neuro> oops, 10.4
[22:55] <neuro> i can't type tonight, hands cold
[22:56] <dwatkins> sounds very similar, though, thanks neuro
[22:56] <neuro> gorgeous aluminium apple products + cold weather + crappy heating = brrrrrrr frostbitten finger tips!
[22:56] <dwatkins> I'll have a fiddle with the settings on the routers, what makes this more complex is that I have two routers with the same SSID.
[22:56] <daftykins> three of lifes guarantees: death, taxes and needing long fingernails immediately after cutting them
[22:56] <neuro> been there
[22:57] <dwatkins> I cut my nails so they're a couple mm long, just in case I need them.
[22:57] <neuro> although i rarely let my nails grow longer than a fraction of an inch
[22:57] <daftykins> :D normally i leave a single thumb longish, but i just could not separate a binsack just before :>
[22:57] <neuro> mind you, i have long nails on the finger, i don't have those stubby little nails that some people have
[22:57] <neuro> i was never a nailbiter
[22:58] <dwatkins> My grandad had a split fingernail because he used it to turn screws.
[22:58] <neuro> ooft
[22:58] <daftykins> :D
[22:59] <daftykins> yeah i don't get the biting thing
[22:59] <daftykins> although i'm a nose picker so what i improve of in some areas i take back just the same...
[22:59] <daftykins> ;D
[22:59] <neuro> lol
[23:00] <neuro> argh, another filled /boot
[23:00] <neuro> stupid kernels
[23:01] <daftykins> yeah :( they mount up don't they
[23:01] <neuro> luckily i hacked up a script to uninstall all kernels except the one that's running and the most recent one
[23:01] <neuro> although i realise now i'm not sure how it reacts if the two are one and the same
[23:01] <neuro> i keep meaning to throw stuff like that up on github
[23:02] <daftykins> :D
[23:02] <neuro> i have a repo ready: http://github.com/evilneuro/tildebin
[23:08] <penguin42> AlanBell: There was a paper by one of the SGI architects at some point before the Nintendo 64 predicting the evolution of the games consoles
[23:08] <neuro> there we go
[23:08] <neuro> https://github.com/evilneuro/tildebin/blob/master/remove-old-kernels
[23:09] <daftykins> penguin42: do you remember the details?
[23:10] <penguin42> hmm, might be able to find it
[23:12] <penguin42> it's about 20 years since I looked at that stuff though
[23:12] <daftykins> :D don't worry
[23:13]  * penguin42 did his MSc in VR systems using SGI boxes in about 93-94
[23:13] <daftykins> :o
[23:13] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, that was their hayday
[23:14] <dwatkins> desktops so heavy you could barely lift them on your own
[23:14] <penguin42> dwatkins: Well, in the case of a Crimson more of a case of how many people were needed to push it
[23:14] <neuro> we need to stop talking about anything closely related to games consoles
[23:15] <neuro> my xbox one arrives on friday
[23:15] <daftykins> we do? how come?
[23:15] <neuro> happy dance
[23:15] <daftykins> hehe
[23:15] <daftykins> hear about the PS4 sabotage?
[23:15] <neuro> sabotage?
[23:15] <dwatkins> penguin42: ah yes, those make great fridges
[23:15] <dwatkins> daftykins: I wondered if it was just a rumour
[23:15] <neuro> oh "sketchy, at best", says kotaku
[23:15] <daftykins> dwatkins: the amazon US reviews are showing a lot of DOA consoles
[23:16] <dwatkins> daftykins: ah I see, when I read about it yesterday there weren't any figures on the number of DOAs
[23:16] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm wondering if this is the paper I'm thinking of, but it's pay walled http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=801272
[23:17] <neuro> CURSE YOU, ACM! *shakes fist*
[23:17] <penguin42> exactly
[23:18] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:18] <penguin42> http://design.osu.edu/carlson/history/PDFs/geometry-engine.pdf
[23:18] <penguin42> but I'm not actually sure if that's the paper I was originally thinking of
[23:19] <penguin42> I thought there was something nearer early 90's
[23:22] <penguin42> Yeh, that's not the one - but I think the one I'm thinking of was written by James Clark
[23:38] <penguin42> most annoying, I can't find the paper - but I can't quite know what I'm searching for
[23:40] <daftykins> :D
[23:49] <penguin42> but I think this would be what was originally called Porject Reality/Ultra 64 and it was a paper a good couple of years maybe a few more before Nintendo 64 actually came out
[23:52] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z45nbzMLk98
[23:55] <penguin42> hehe that was the day - a bit late in the day
[23:56] <ali1234> i remember watching that on tv and thinking it was amazing
[23:57]  * penguin42 remembers we had a SGI Crimson in about 94 that would be a bit before that doing real time 3d on polarised glasses using a pair of projectors - it was pretty damn neat


[17:00] <JohnLea> ?
[17:02] <AlanBell> hi JohnLea
[17:02] <AlanBell> !
[17:51] <daker> what are the essentiel features on a TV ?
[17:54] <daker> AlanBell, mhall119 ?
[17:59] <AlanBell> hi daker
[17:59] <AlanBell> the #ubuntu-tv channel is probably a better place for that question
[18:00] <AlanBell> for me, watching TV is an essential feature of a TV
[18:00] <AlanBell> change channels and adjust volume
[18:05] <daker> ok thanks AlanBell
[18:12] <bwinton_> AlanBell: I wonder if channels are really an essential feature of a TV…
[18:12] <mhall119> bwinton_: s/channels/feeds/
[18:13] <mhall119> a channel is just a time-based feed of media
[18:13] <bwinton_> mhall119: Even then.  I might buy s/feeds/shows/
[18:13] <mhall119> bwinton_: a feed is an updating list of shows
[18:13] <bwinton_> It seems to me that the time-based part of TV is going away.  Slowly, ironically.  :)
[18:13] <mhall119> yes, i tis
[18:14] <bwinton_> mhall119: Okay, I'ld buy that definition.
[18:15] <mhall119> so you might have an NBC feed, and you also might have an "Alan Bell's favorite shows he's sharing with you" feed
[18:15] <mhall119> and also a "Firefly: the TV series" feed
[18:15] <bwinton_> mhall119: And then I would weep for the episodes that won't be produced.  :)
[18:16] <mhall119> bwinton_: that's the best part, the produces of Firefly can produce it, include their own advertising, and distrubute it without having to sell it to a cable company
[18:51]  * imnichol is away: I'm busy
[18:52]  * imnichol is back (gone 00:00:41)
[19:51] <AlanBell> imnichol: can you turn off the noisy away script please
[19:51] <imnichol> Yeah someone in ubuntu+1 already told me
[19:51] <imnichol> Sorry
[19:52] <AlanBell> no problem, thanks
[19:52] <imnichol> I plead ignorance of IRC ;)
[19:52] <imnichol> Which carries only a 10 year sentence
[19:55] <svwilliams> AlanBell, is that a default of some IRC clients?
[19:57] <svwilliams> I am also a IRC ignorant :-)
[20:10] <AlanBell> not sure svwilliams, it isn't a default of my client :)
[20:28] <svwilliams> it doesn't appear to be default in mine ... but I figured it could be


[22:51] <purencool> Hi ubuntu lovers I have been using gvim for my development and should have done it years ago. Learning the key patterns have helped me  what is your favourite ide
[23:45] <jea> vim is pretty good
[23:45] <jea> I mostly use sublime text at the moment
[23:45] <blahdeblah> purencool: What language are you developing in?  Choice of IDE is largely dictated by that.


[00:06] <Viper550> I finished up a fluxbb theme for the new ubuntu site stuff
[00:30] <Viper550> hey
[03:10] <alchamech> hello all iv just signed up to help
[03:12] <jessew> alchamech: help is always appreciated.  what are you interested in doing?
[03:12] <alchamech> art work, wallpapers and the like
[03:12] <Viper550> I dod a website theme this week
[03:13] <alchamech> im still kind of new but i love ubuntu
[03:13] <jessew> cool.  (Note that I have *no* particular connection to the ubuntu-artwork team; I just lurk in the channel...)
[03:13] <alchamech> lol ok
[03:14] <jessew> alchamech: have you looked at the gnome-art site (I think it's called that), and posted any stuff there?
[03:15] <alchamech> no i havent
[03:15] <jessew> might be somewhere to start...
[03:17] <Viper550> http://imgur.com/liVoS.jpg forum theme for the fluxbb-using locos
[03:18] <alchamech> well ty jessew ill take a look now
[03:18] <jessew> feel free to ask if you have questions!
[03:39] <doctormo> hey alchamech, what kind of things do you do?
[12:23] <thorwil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgSI3IcyXhs
[12:37] <thorwil> so, i edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Software a bit
[12:38] <thorwil> some nice fellow added MuseScore and even made a page for it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MuseScore
[12:40] <thorwil> kwwii: how do you fell about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MuseScore ? maybe that should better be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Software/MuseScore or even https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Software/MuseScore ?
[12:41] <kwwii> thorwil: well, I don't see anything that uses /software
[12:41] <kwwii> sounds like an intersting app though
[15:33] <Viper550> good mornin'
[16:40] <RoNin___> Hi
[16:42] <RoNin___> I'm looking for a user interface designer. I was thinking if approaching the designers behind ubuntu
[16:43] <RoNin___> Can anyone help?
[16:43] <hyperair> try #ayatana
[16:43] <hyperair> this is the artwork channel, not the user interface channel.
[16:43] <hyperair> i'm not sure how many of them are up for hire though.
[16:45] <RoNin___> hyperair: Thanks, it's appreciated
[20:49] <vish> thorwil: you are on gnome-shell list too, right?
[20:50] <vish> .. fun times with the application list thread!  :D
[20:51] <thorwil> vish: yes, but lately in straight to dev/null mode
[20:51] <vish> thorwil: yeah , that thread i deleted all the messages! no use even reading it ;) every other month there is a thread about it!
[20:52] <vish> thorwil: not sure what to think of mpt's absence from the gnome-* channels of late ..  o.0
[20:54]  * darkmatter pokes vish
[20:54] <thorwil> i'm so tired of the running-around-in-circles business
[20:54] <vish> darkmatter: hey hey! you are alive :D
[20:54] <darkmatter> have I missed anything interesting in my absence?
[20:54] <vish> darkmatter: coz_ was looking for you ;)
[20:55] <thorwil> darkmatter: coz_ missed you and started to worry. such drama!
[20:55] <darkmatter> vish: well, I'm alive now. although teh hospital food almost killed me xD
[20:55]  * thorwil types too slow
[20:55] <vish> darkmatter: all fine now i hope?
[20:55]  * darkmatter pokes coz_
[20:56] <vish> coz_ and cozziemoto seem the same i guess ;)
[20:57] <darkmatter> vish: yup. they're making me poke myself with needles (thankfully only 4 more days of that. it's bad enough that other people poke me with needles...), but everything back to normal after my chemo and 8 units of blood. lol
[20:57] <vish> cool.
[21:01] <vish> darkmatter: seen Unity?
[21:02] <darkmatter> vish: been reading a bit on it. looking nice
[21:02] <vish> darkmatter: thats what you get when you have all the different dock devs on the DX team :D
[21:02] <darkmatter> :P
[21:18] <coz_> vish,  yes cozziemoto   is my "scrollback" nick on my other machine:)
[21:18] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[21:18] <coz_> darkmatter,   I was wondering where you disappeared to :)
[21:18] <darkmatter> coz_: I was having my juicy red sludge replaced :P
[21:19] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh ok ...yuk :)
[21:20] <darkmatter> it was one of those supply couldn't meet demand thingies. didn't have enough heathy bone marrow left after the last round of chemo to efficiently produce blood. but I do now. G-CSF <3
[21:24] <darkmatter> coz_: now I get to poke myself with needles. yay...
[21:25] <coz_> darkmatter,   yuk again :)   i was just glad to hear you are ok
[21:26] <darkmatter> coz_: indeed I am. all thanks to this lovely stuff I jack myself up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granulocyte_colony-stimulating_factor :)
[21:27] <coz_> darkmatter,  wow
[21:28] <darkmatter> my blood is now healthier than most healthy people :O
[21:28] <coz_> :)
[21:33] <darkmatter> I was leanish to begin withthe hospital stay made me so skinny I rediscovered muscle groups I almost forgot I had ;D
[21:35] <darkmatter> still haz a slight beer gut, but I has ripples. o_O
[21:37] <darkmatter> meh. two and a half hours until I stab myself in teh tummy again


[19:22] <bkerensa> bdmurray: it brings up a dialog that says "Refreshing Standard Replies" but other than that no.
[19:22] <bkerensa> bdmurray: let me know if you need any more details... I need my replies =o everything else works oddly and I have purged firefox and firefox-lp-improvements and tried from scratch too with no luck
[20:51] <bdmurray> bkerensa: I wonder if reload works with the bug tags...
[20:58] <bkerensa> bdmurray: in what manner
[21:02] <bdmurray> I've just added raring to the tags if you reload it does it show up?
[21:04] <bkerensa> bdmurray: yes
[21:06] <bdmurray> really in the add tag: section because it doesn't for me
[21:08] <bdmurray> okay, this seems broken somewhere deep in there
[21:08] <bkerensa> bdmurray: oh I thought in the "Tags:" section
[21:09] <bkerensa> bdmurray: can we fix the deep brokeness
[21:09] <bkerensa> :D
[21:09] <bkerensa> let me know what is needed :p
[21:09] <bdmurray> I'm not sure right now, I'll dig some in a bit
[21:09] <bkerensa> ok yeah tags not working either
[21:09] <bkerensa> now that I am looking in right area
[23:45] <bdmurray> bkerensa: so I know where its failing but I've really no idea how to fix it.  I know it works in greasemonkey, just not in the extension.
[23:45] <bkerensa> bdmurray: oh noes... the end of firefox-lp-improvements as we know it
[23:45] <bkerensa> the sky is falling
[23:45] <bkerensa> :P
[23:46] <bkerensa> bdmurray: well in that case would there be any reason not to make it into a userscripts.org script?
[23:46] <bkerensa> so people can install it directly from GM?
[23:48] <bdmurray> no probably no reason not to


[11:16] <zxmpi> *bing* *bong* *plink* hi di di campers
[15:20] <daftykins> phew awake at last
[15:23] <penguin42> it's after 4pm :-)
[15:24] <daftykins> yip yip
[15:25] <daftykins> diddledan: have a musical cat link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2JvYSqGR4
[15:55] <daftykins> erk just opened the packaging of a little laptop that was shipped down to me by a friend's employee, needs sprucing back up to send out to a different person - really badly packaged though and seems to have had a rough ride
[15:56] <daftykins> also truly nasty inside like they didn't even give it a wipe down before shipping
[16:10] <zxmpi> that's load bearing crap and is all that is holding the laptop together :-P
[16:23] <daftykins> hehe
[16:26] <zxmpi> i remember my boss repairing a compucorp cpm computer in late 80s and afte a few days with a soldering iron got it working again. then cleaned it up and killed it
[16:30] <zxmpi> mind running the hoover in a garage over the mother board and case might have been a smidge more static that it was used to :-P
[16:32] <daftykins> eek!
[16:33] <zxmpi> needed the bristly brush to scrape off the tougher congealed dust


[00:24] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's always hot in Florida in summer
[06:11] <dpm> good morning all
[06:15] <coolbhavi> good morning dpm
[06:15] <dpm> hey coolbhavi
[06:16] <dpm> coolbhavi, regarding your question on judging the other day, I'm putting together the voting infrastructure with the list of all apps, and we'll send an e-mail with instructions to all judges and probably set up a call later on this afternoon
[06:17] <coolbhavi> dpm, great :) thanks a lot!
[06:18] <dpm> no worries :)
[06:21] <coolbhavi> :) how have you been btw?
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <dpm> hey dholbach, morning!
[07:13] <dholbach> hi dpm
[07:14] <dpm> coolbhavi, oops, I hadn't seen your question, I've been good, thanks, just came back from a relaxing holiday last week. And yourself?
[07:15] <coolbhavi> dpm,  np :) I am fine :)
[07:16] <dpm> cool :)
[08:48] <nothingspecial> or lots of output anyway
[08:48] <nothingspecial> ooops
[09:30] <khildin> morning all....
[09:31] <khildin> I have a small question...
[09:31] <khildin> I'm getting more and more involved in a community and want to learn more about community management.
[09:31] <khildin> besides jono's book.... where could I look for that?
[11:43] <dpm> imbrandon, around?
[11:44] <dpm> imbrandon, when you've got a minute, may I ask you to set the end date for the ubuntu app showdown to 00:01UTC Monday? The deadline is over, and people still think they've got like 10 hours to submit their apps.
[11:44] <dpm> thanks!
[11:47] <imbrandon> yup
[11:48] <imbrandon> ahh yea its localtime on the users machine, will do now
[12:05] <imbrandon> dpm: ok, Should read "Times UP!" once cache clears ( will read - : - : -  until then unfortunately )
[12:06] <dpm> imbrandon, that's more than good enough, thanks! Do you know when the cache will be cleared?
[12:07] <imbrandon> should be less than 10 minutes
[12:08] <dpm> excellent, thanks!
[12:08] <imbrandon> np, i'll keep an eye out too but i'll be around all day should something not be right
[12:15] <imbrandon> dpm: there we go, refresh page and it should be good now
[12:16] <dpm> imbrandon, awesome
[12:16]  * imbrandon forced it by moving the JS and letting it use the the IMG fallback :)
[12:16] <imbrandon> heh
[12:19] <imbrandon> btw, when are you all shooting for announcing winners ? just curious
[12:20] <jokerdino> after they go through all 100 of them I guess? :)
[12:21] <imbrandon> haha wow, that many, awesome :)
[12:21] <jokerdino> honestly, I am more than excited.
[12:22] <jokerdino> i only tried a couple of them. can't wait to see which one totally rocks. I hope every one of them are awesome on their own accord.
[12:22] <imbrandon> yea for real, thats killer, i'm esp excited to see that fogger app, not tried it yet personally but a Recient OSX convert myself ( on the desktop ) I used the app it it modeled after ALOT , will be nice to have it on Ubuntu
[12:23] <imbrandon> but yea its gonna be tough competition, looked like quite a few good ones
[12:23] <jokerdino> yeah, i would have died if I were one of the judges :P
[12:24] <imbrandon> heh :)
[12:25] <imbrandon> okies /me gets back to fixing up this charm, lemmme just ping should yall need anything :)
[12:25] <jokerdino> right. that works well. i'll go back to lurking this room =)
[13:22] <s-fox> o/
[14:39] <bkerensa> oh jeez
[14:39] <bkerensa> =/
[14:39] <bkerensa> I just got asked to talk at OSCON for Mozilla
[14:49] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'm sure nobody will ask about Thunderbird :)
[14:55] <bkerensa> mhall119: I hope not :P
[14:55] <bkerensa> jono: top of the morning
[14:56] <jono> howdy bkerensa
[14:56] <bkerensa> jono: So do you know when you will need help setting up on Saturday
[14:57] <jono> bkerensa, indeed, can you be there at 7am?
[14:57] <bkerensa> jono: you bet.
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[15:01] <dholbach> yep
[15:02] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2efc97ee8022fe82b1c2248099ae7e829bb13c95?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:07] <jono> dpm, can we go early in a few mins?
[15:07] <jcastro> man fellas
[15:07] <jcastro> lightread is so good
[15:07] <jcastro> I can't believe it's gtk
[15:08] <dpm> jono, sure, but I'm not finished with pasting the questions yet
[15:09] <dpm> just sent me the invite and I'll join in
[15:11] <jono> dpm, np, this is just our weekly sync up
[15:14] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3e547cf009d5a0a1e65b9c45f3860aef4083f398?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:14] <dpm> ok, joining in
[15:15] <jono> thanks dpm
[15:15] <balloons> jcastro, you don't use a web rss reader?
[15:16] <khildin> jono... do you have a minute?
[15:16] <jono> khildin, hey, on the phone right now
[15:17] <khildin> np.... :) as long yopu can answer... :P
[15:17] <khildin> well... got question for you...
[15:18] <khildin> I am getting more and more involved in the Zentyal community.... you met Jose Antonio Calvo at UDS remember... he is one of the Zentyal defs...
[15:18] <khildin> question is: where can I find resources (besides your book) on community management....
[15:18] <khildin> ??
[15:19] <jcastro> balloons: I do, but this one is so pretty, it makes me want to maybe switch back
[15:20] <jokerdino> i feel like maybe wanna crash your weekly hangouts =)
[15:20] <balloons> it has a jcastro recommendation eh?
[15:21] <jokerdino> are we talking about lightreads?
[15:21] <jcastro> balloons: I don't get how he got it to look so good
[15:21] <jcastro> compared to other apps
[15:21] <jcastro> jokerdino: yeah
[15:21] <jokerdino> oh i liked it as well :)
[15:21] <jokerdino> haven't tried it yet but it looks good.
[15:21] <balloons> no in sc?
[15:21] <jcastro> no it's an entrant in the contest.
[15:21] <jokerdino> app showdown
[15:22] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/lightread
[15:22] <balloons> offline google reader, +1 from me
[15:22] <s-fox> hey people, sudden wave of activity :)
[15:23] <jokerdino> and balloons i can't upgrade my system to qq. upgrade-release tool crashes.
[15:23] <jokerdino> can't get around testing for alpha :/
[15:23] <balloons> jokerdino, ohh really?>
[15:23] <jokerdino> there was a bug report on LP.
[15:23] <balloons> got specifics on the crash?
[15:23] <jokerdino> i marked as affecting me.
[15:24] <balloons> ahh.. which one, do you remember?
[15:24] <jokerdino> one sec
[15:25] <jokerdino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1020462
[15:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1020462 in ubuntu-release-upgrader "Precise to Quantal upgrade failed: do-release-upgrade -d failed with ImportError: No module named janitor.plugincore.manager in DistUpgradeQuirks.py" [Critical,Fix released]
[15:25] <balloons> we wouldn't want little technical issues to prevent you from upgrading and joining in the fun :-)
[15:25] <jokerdino> hehe :D
[15:26] <jokerdino> oops it is ninja fixed
[15:26] <balloons> yea, looks like mterry fixed things up
[15:26] <jokerdino> you guys are no fun any more.
[15:27] <balloons> if you do upgrade successfully, can you add the result to the tracker? (success or fail?). This week is our cadence for looking at the isos -- including upgrading ;-)
[15:27] <jokerdino> balloons: does upgrading from precise being tracked as well?
[15:27] <jokerdino> if it is, i can help you on that.
[15:28] <jokerdino> and i am getting a bunch of ISO to test on VM. so yeah
[15:28] <balloons> yes, we have upgrade "tests" and although there's an automated test upgrader, it never represents people's live systems
[15:28] <balloons> let me link you
[15:28] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/16550/testcases/47/results
[15:28] <balloons> testcase is really simple
[15:28] <balloons> just upgrade :-)
[15:29] <jokerdino> hmm great. will report many more bugs =)
[15:29] <balloons> awesome!
[15:29] <jokerdino> i'll annoy you in U+1 room in the future =)
[15:30] <balloons> haha.. while I still have you.. since your on precise, you can do the 12.10 kernel on 12.04 test ;-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kernel
[15:30] <balloons> being on precise has it's advantages!
[15:31] <jokerdino> i am a little afraid of custom kernel testing. i'll pass to someone more experienced than me
[15:32] <jokerdino> or i might do it in the morning. what's the main reason behind this?
[15:37] <balloons> jokerdino, it's actually really safe and not as scary as you think
[15:37] <balloons> if things break, you can always reboot to the precise kernel your running now that is working
[15:37] <jokerdino> that is a little soothing.
[15:37] <balloons> yes, and of course everything else will still be stable preicse :-)
[15:38] <balloons> the point of having it is to help the kernel team deliver the updated kernel to 12.04.. They will continue to bring new kernels to support new hardware to 12.04 over the course of it's lifetime
[15:38] <balloons> this is but the first :-)
[15:39] <jokerdino> oh right. the hardware support.
[15:39] <balloons> yes, hence the focus on that page of hardware as well :-)
[15:40] <balloons> but all hardware is a testcase.. so whether or not it's on the list, it should work if it worked before ;-)
[15:40] <jokerdino> so, how do i get the kernel?
[17:01] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[17:01] <mhall119> jono: yup
[17:03] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/dca3b7f5a8b02a740060cb70e7892c9dfbbd2622?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[18:08] <jcastro> bkerensa: ping me when you're around
[18:10] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you tomorrow
[18:18] <balloons> bah! I noticed my backups haven't been occurring since I switched to quantal a month ago (for some reason all my settings got wiped by the upgrade?!), so I went to update the backup. Halfway thru, I get a read-only filesystem error. Awesome, my main hard disk just died
[18:18] <jcastro> ouch
[18:19] <paultag> balloons: :(
[18:19] <balloons> yea.. time to go pull out the laptop
[18:19] <paultag> balloons: Try to mount it read-only from a livecd and dump it, or dd the disk onto a secondary from a live cd
[18:19] <paultag> then try to recover the filesystem
[18:19] <paultag> that sucks, happened to me too a while back
[18:19] <paultag> fscking btrfs
[18:19] <balloons> It keeps seemingly happening to me ;-(
[18:20] <jcastro> bad drive?
[18:20] <paultag> yeah, I had ~4 HDs die in 3 years, there might be some issues with a few of the SATA drivers
[18:20] <paultag> I never bothered to debug it after I got my latest HD working with a changed MoBo
[18:20] <balloons> jcastro, yes.. I bought enterprise drives from WD
[18:20] <paultag> yeah, that's what I had too
[18:20] <paultag> interesting.
[18:20] <balloons> these guys are meant to go into raid arrays in data centers
[18:20] <balloons> 5 year warranties, etc
[18:20] <balloons> this is the third death in 3 years
[18:20] <paultag> balloons: I'm fairly sure it's the driver barfing
[18:21] <paultag> I was seeing the same behavior with a bunch of WD HDs I had
[18:21] <paultag> and I had ~1 die a year
[18:21] <balloons> I'm getting smart errors, so I don't think it's a driver issue
[18:21] <jcastro> hmm, I would just try another brand next time perhaps?
[18:21] <balloons> unless linux is killing the drive?
[18:21] <paultag> jcastro: yeah, after I switched
[18:21] <balloons> haha
[18:21] <balloons> i can see the headlines now
[18:22] <paultag> balloons: SMART isn't doing much on the driver level, it's tacked on (btw, SMART has been proven to damage drives, just FYI)
[18:22] <paultag> balloons: I was getting bitmask erorrs in my system log iirc
[18:22] <paultag> and on the tty, it had some spew there after it locked up
[18:22] <paultag> can't really remember, it's been a while.
[18:22] <balloons> yea.. I'm in the weird state were the kernel has me covered.. drive is read only now
[18:23] <balloons> it may never boot again
[18:23] <balloons> it probably will, but anything is posisble
[18:23] <paultag> it used to boot just fine for me, it won't start writing bad kruft to the disk anyway
[18:23] <balloons> I've had it both ways
[18:23] <paultag> but it would take a few minutes for it to lock up again
[18:23] <balloons> one drive lasted months in a broken state.. the other died on the spot
[18:23] <paultag> just mount it ro from a live cd
[18:23] <balloons> never to boot again
[18:27]  * balloons goes off to find a spare drive
[18:27] <jcastro> freezer trick!
[18:27] <jono> balloons, ready in a few mins?
[18:27] <balloons> jono, yea, my laptop is ready
[18:27] <paultag> jcastro: oven trick dude - http://xbox-experts.com/tutorial/oven-bake/
[18:27] <jono> balloons, cool
[18:31] <dpm> calling it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[18:33] <balloons> jcastro, actually I'll just return the drive and get a new one under warranty. They've been good about replacing them
[18:33] <balloons> which I suppose is a plus.. I'd rather they just lasted
[18:38] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/db91165a53806267edd72cde15cb6a3aac74e61b?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[19:18] <jono> balloons, I lost you
[19:22] <jono> mhall119, man, they keep rolling in
[19:22] <jono> :-)
[19:23] <jono> grabbing lunch...
[19:44] <mhall119> jono: tell me about it
[19:44] <paultag> mhall119: did you get your lintian checks working?
[19:45] <mhall119> paultag: dholbach wrote a separate arb-lint script already
[19:46] <paultag> mhall119: shame :(
[19:46] <paultag> it'd be nice to use standard tools, that way you can use, well, standard tools on top
[19:46] <mhall119> paultag: true, but he was already hacking on it before I asked you
[19:46] <mhall119> might be a good long-term project though
[19:47] <paultag> mhall119: if you want to see a creative way to add a new lintian-compat tool -- http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lintian4python.html
[19:47] <paultag> mhall119: that adds a wrapper script / new checks dir, which you could just as easily added as a lintian profile
[19:49] <mhall119> paultag: I'll put it on my "to look at when I'm not crazy busy" file
[19:49]  * mhall119 gets a ladder
[19:50] <paultag> you need lackies, dude
[19:50] <mhall119> I need minions
[19:55] <paultag> yar
[19:57] <jcastro> ugh
[19:58] <jcastro> man, I say "um" way too much when I screencast
[20:05] <mhall119> me too :(
[20:18] <jcastro> sigh
[20:18] <jcastro> I'm going to have to redo this video
[20:33] <popey> whats the video about jcastro ?
[20:51] <jcastro> popey: it's a newer, simpler video explaining juju
[20:51] <jcastro> but I think it's going to end up being a rehearsal
[20:51] <jcastro> probably easier to reshoot it and have a sign on my monitor saying "don't say um, idiot."
[20:53] <popey> talk slower
[20:53] <popey> it helps prevent ums
[20:53] <czajkowski> jcastro: write what you need to say out before hand ?
[20:53] <jcastro> yeah I just got cocky and thought I could turn a one off into a proper video
[20:53] <jcastro> "I can do this in one take"
[20:54] <popey> sounds too scripted if you do that czajkowski i find :)
[20:54] <jcastro> yeah
[20:54] <jcastro> though maybe an outline
[20:54] <jcastro> underneath the "don't say ummm"
[20:55] <czajkowski> popey: can do, depends on the person.
[20:55] <czajkowski> I have to write things out helps me slow down
[22:02] <bkerensa> jono: can you by chance bring some of the cool breeze from the bay when you come up this weekend?
[22:02] <jono> bkerensa, hah
[22:02] <jono> hot?
[22:03] <ajmitch> bkerensa: I'll swap you
[22:04] <bkerensa> jono: well its been 85-90 everyday for the last few days
[22:04] <bkerensa> with humidity
[22:04] <bkerensa> =/
[22:04] <jono> bkerensa, same here :-)
[22:04] <jono> speaking personally, I love it
[22:04] <jono> I love the heat
[22:04] <bkerensa> jono: really? SF showed 53 on weather channel the other day
[22:04] <bkerensa> =/
[22:05] <jono> bkerensa, I don't live in SF
[22:05] <bkerensa> Ahh I forget
[22:05] <jono> I live in the East Bay - it is much warmer out here
[22:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: send the cool then! :P
[22:08]  * popey agrees
[22:09] <popey> jono lives in a lovely part of town!
[22:09] <popey> we need another UDS out there :)
[22:09] <jono> popey, :-)
[22:11] <bkerensa> popey: on the boat
[23:05] <jono> mhall119, around?


[02:02] <JulianSSS> hello, I want to make a window sticky on desktop and below (oppsite of allways on top) how can I do this. I use gnome, ubuntu, compiz.
[02:02] <JulianSSS> am I right here?
[02:03] <jester-> !support | JulianSSS
[02:04] <JulianSSS> thanks jester-!
[02:04] <jester-> :D
[02:04] <LjL> i still can't understand how how people end here...
[02:05] <LjL> just how
[02:05] <jester-> LjL: :D
[02:05] <JulianSSS> LjL: Search: ubuntu
[02:05] <JulianSSS> Find: #ubuntu-irc --> fits
[02:06] <LjL> i see...
[02:06] <LjL> but then so do the other couple hundred channels starting with #ubuntu :P
[02:06] <JulianSSS> #ubuntu-operator-irc would be more disabiguating
[02:07] <JulianSSS> LjL: I think most people end up there but some little percentage (like me) end up here. and those are the ones you are recognising :)
[02:07] <LjL> i suppose so
[02:08] <JulianSSS> by the way - what's the topic here?
[02:08] <JulianSSS> what are operators?
[02:09] <LjL> JulianSSS: check the link in the /topic, that should make it clear i think
[02:12] <JulianSSS> LjL: nice briefing in the first sentence. so, I don't wanna bother you any longer. thanks for showing me the way (apparently at this moment to the smalltalk-area). bye
[10:26] <marcusdavidus> Hello
[10:26] <marcusdavidus>  I have a question , i come ehre becosue on polish ubuntu irc are only trolls
[10:27] <marcusdavidus>  i try to boot ubuntu 8.10 from hdd using unetbootin and is bootign nice gparded see disk etc but when i try install it this instalator dont see disk
[10:28] <marcusdavidus>  i was look in google for solution and have no idea wtf is going on with that . never got such problems with debian  booted by unetbootin
[10:28] <Myrtti> marcusdavidus: have you tried asking in #ubuntu yet?
[10:28] <marcusdavidus> hmm this is not off ubuntu  irc?
[10:28] <marcusdavidus>  oficjal *
[10:28] <Myrtti> this is, but the support happens in #ubuntu
[10:29] <marcusdavidus> oh oki thanx
[10:29] <Myrtti> what kind of problems do you have with the polish channel though?
[10:29] <Myrtti> *that* discussion is very ontopic for this channel
[10:49] <marcusdavidus> im back
[10:49] <marcusdavidus>  Myrtti one idiot juststart troll so i left that channel
[10:50] <marcusdavidus> i ask same liek her ehe say that gparted is haxi0r program pff so i left
[10:54] <marcusdavidus> 3Dhi
[10:54] <marcusdavidus> hi*
[11:06] <Myrtti> eh.
[11:12] <marcusdavidus> :P
[11:32] <nhandler> I'm back to try and get an Ubuntu irc cloak for VoteBot
[12:29] <bazhang> Icebuntu, ??
[12:30] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I am hynix I got my self new registed nick
[12:30] <bazhang> Icebuntu, join #ubuntu-ops
[12:30] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  why ?
[12:30] <bazhang> discussion with you
[12:31] <Icebuntu> I don't wish to
[12:32] <elky> we can discuss here, and have all these loco team people see, or you can join #ubuntu-ops and not have them see
[12:34] <elky> Icebuntu, you can have me repeat the things you've done from our PM discussion here, if you like.
[12:35] <Icebuntu> elky:  I didn't get ya
[12:35] <elky> Icebuntu, it seems to me like you're refusing to behave
[12:36] <Icebuntu> elky:  I don't do any thing which was wrong
[12:36] <elky> Icebuntu, the reason you're here, is because you've been redirected for trying to join #ubuntu-fi. myrtti put that redirect in place only for you
[12:36] <Icebuntu> elky:  this is very bad why I am been talked like this all the time
[12:37] <elky> all the time? you tried to claim before nobody ever spoke to you about your behaviour
[12:37] <Icebuntu> elky:  okey that is really very bad why did she do that to me
[12:37] <elky> because you keep following her, and she wants to stop you, and you refused even after she's told you
[12:37] <Icebuntu> elky:  I don't understand why I can't be here ?
[12:38] <elky> i told you not to go back into #ubuntu-fi, yet you did try
[12:38] <elky> Icebuntu, you can be here, but you have to behave by our rules.
[12:38] <Icebuntu> elky:  u never told me to go any where please check our logs
[12:39] <Icebuntu> elky:  you had a talk with me I don't know why you talking like this to me again ( I will really take a very serious view of repeating the same thing to me say this is the 5 time )
[12:39] <elky> i told you to leave myrtti alone. i told you that your being in #ubuntu-fi upset her because of your following her onto facebook and skype and reading her resume and trying to contact her all the time
[12:39] <elky> Icebuntu, i am talking to you again, because you tried to go back into #ubuntu-fi, and myrtti and the other finnish ops do not want you there because you make them uncomfortable
[12:40] <Icebuntu> elky:  I didtnt not try to contact her I did the same with all it she does not wish to socialize and she should have told me
[12:40] <elky> you disobeyed what i said
[12:40] <elky> she did tell you. i showed you the log she let me show you
[12:40] <Icebuntu> elky:  I don't understand why its diffiuclt for you and some of the others to see me
[12:40] <elky> you've been told lots of times. bazhang has told you, i've told you, myrtti has told you -- yet you continue
[12:41] <Icebuntu> I ddint even spoke much with any person since new year
[12:41] <bazhang> Icebuntu, that is not true.
[12:42] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you were asked repeatedly not to change nicks, and to stop stalking people, just a few days ago.
[12:42] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  yes I didn't do any thing with out the free will of others
[12:42] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I got my self permanent nick
[12:42] <bazhang> Icebuntu, and then you continue stalking, and changing nicks.
[12:42] <elky> you said that about the last ones
[12:43] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you are lying. just stop it.
[12:43] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I won't be chaning my nicks I was on different system all the time
[12:44] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  huh I won't stalk dear I won't do that I feel you all don't like even a bit of it I will change I will talk some time but yes I will do that
[12:44] <elky> i dont believe you.
[12:44] <bazhang> Icebuntu, for the last time. stop lying, and stop stalking.
[12:45] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I dodnt spoke with any one since then
[12:45] <Icebuntu> only elky I don't know she keep asking me questiong in pm
[12:45] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you said that a couple of days ago. and you do it right away.
[12:45] <elky> i was asking you because you upset people
[12:45] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  huh ? what is worng with you I didn't even spoke with people
[12:45] <Icebuntu> elky:  I know that I won't do that
[12:46] <elky> Icebuntu, your nick is not hynix or asus-tek anymore. that is what bazhang is saying you did
[12:46] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I didn't spoke with any one as such till from then till now
[12:46] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you spoke to topyli and I both.
[12:46] <Icebuntu> well elky asustek nick is still registed by me
[12:46] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  yes I said I won't do that I
[12:46] <bazhang> Icebuntu, we said dont change nicks to hide stalking behaviour, and stop stalking.
[12:47] <bazhang> Icebuntu, so stop lying, and stop stalking.
[12:47] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I told you I will talk some permant nick
[12:47] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  please see what I told you I told you I will take some permant nick
[12:48] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I don't know why you are so much angry I told you I won't do that
[12:48] <bazhang> Icebuntu, just stop.
[12:48] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  what ? you and elky asking me questions
[12:48] <elky> i'm not asking questions anymore, because i know i'll only get lies.
[12:49] <Icebuntu> elky:  I will improve I really wish to be with   you all I won't do that I didt wish to follow any one as specific
[12:50] <Icebuntu> elky:  I  will only be with this nick unless I be at some very different place
[12:50] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you are lying.
[12:50] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you have said this before.
[12:50] <bazhang> Icebuntu, and you always 'forget'
[12:50] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  well I have some nicks configuerd on other computes
[12:50] <elky> Icebuntu, we have given you dozens of chances. you keep insulting us by repeating your mistakes.
[12:50] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I will take them out and only come with this one now
[12:50] <Icebuntu> elky:  I won't do that now I won't insult you
[12:50] <bazhang> Icebuntu, just stop with the lying and the stalking.
[12:51] <bazhang> Icebuntu, you are not honest.
[12:51] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I will don't get so much up set becaue of me I will be nice and don't trouble others
[12:51] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I will try my best
[12:51] <bazhang> Icebuntu, and you continue to stalk people.
[12:52] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I won't
[12:52] <Icebuntu> okey bazhang I won't make you feel bad even to you elky and even to Myrtti
[12:52] <bazhang> Icebuntu, NO one trusts you any more. You have lied TOO many times.
[12:52] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  what lied ?
[12:52] <elky> if you ever do anything i've told you not to do again, i'll be locking you out of ubuntu channels. this means no going near myrtti, no asking people personal questions like where they live or their contact details.
[12:52] <Icebuntu> I told you I was at different computers
[12:53] <Icebuntu> bazhang:  I am sorry I will see I will improve and won't make you all feel bad I don't realy lie in really life I wonder why do you feel so
[12:54] <elky> this is your absolute last chance. if you do ANYTHING else wrong, i dont care if you dont understand. i WILL lock you out.
[12:54] <Icebuntu> elky:  :( :'(
[12:56] <elky> Icebuntu, we cannot afford to babysit you. if you cannot learn after a hundred chances to behave, then we have to find a more effective way to stop your bad behaviour.
[12:56] <Tm_T> guten morgen
[12:56] <elky> Tm_T, not quite.
[12:56] <ikonia> bis morgen
[12:56] <Tm_T> what, you didn't miss me here? ):
[12:56] <elky> Icebuntu, that is the final word in this discussion. you are now on your final warning ever. there is no other option for you but to do the right thing.
[12:56] <Icebuntu> elky:  tc I am off to studying ( no need treating me I won't be at this place after few days woont even be at a single place for more amont of time I don't wish to hurt any one I won't stalk any one as I feel its bad you all don't really like it
[12:58] <Icebuntu> elky:  okey hoping for the best sorry for all the trouble bazhang
[12:58] <Icebuntu> elky:  I will be nice
[12:58] <bazhang> mmkay
[12:59]  * Tm_T drops her pants to the floor
[12:59] <bazhang> her?
[12:59] <elky> wtf?
[12:59] <bazhang> uhh...
[12:59] <Tm_T> means, I came from out to inside and I have to take winterclothes off
[13:00] <bazhang> you are a she?
[13:00] <jussi01> hrm... will the real Tm_T please stand up?
[13:00] <elky> Tm_T, you really ought to think how that stuff looks to us, and how hard it makes it for us to stop the users being inappropriate
[13:01] <Tm_T> elky: hmh, you're right, sorry
[13:02]  * Tm_T doesn't think his brains are on today at all
[13:02] <Tm_T> sorry again ):
[13:04] <Tm_T> anyway, I think winter is officially over here, mud-season started
[13:05]  * Tm_T wonders if that will show in irc behaviour in overall too
[19:30] <nomade_marvel> How can I get a cloak?
[19:31] <nalioth> nomade_marvel: what kind of cloak?
[19:32] <nomade_marvel> nalioth: unaffiliated
[19:33] <nalioth> nomade_marvel: well, #freenode is the place to ask
[19:33] <nalioth> but i can save you the trip
[19:34] <nomade_marvel> nalioth: thank you very much
[21:26] <jester-> hi
[22:42] <nhandler> Any IRC council members here
[22:43] <nalioth> nhandler: what's up?
[22:43] <nhandler> nalioth: 2 things. The first is about getting an Ubuntu IRC cloak for my bot
[22:44] <nhandler> The second is that the script on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks produces some output
[22:45] <nalioth> what's  the bot's nick and purpose?
[22:45] <nhandler> nalioth: The bot's nick is VoteBot.
[22:45] <nhandler> Its purpose is to meet the needs of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team
[22:45] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VoteBot
[22:46] <nhandler> https://launchpad.net/votebot
[22:47] <nalioth> we'll get back with you, nhandler
[22:47] <nhandler> nalioth: Is there any other info you need? Or anything else I need to do?
[22:48] <nalioth> if we do, we'll ask you  :)
[22:48] <nhandler> Ok. Thanks for your time and help nalioth :)
[23:20] <hypa7ia> can we get some op help in #ubuntu-women? 4chan is leaking :(
[23:22] <jono> hey, can an op come and kick someone for us?
[23:22] <hypa7ia> jono: already asked :)
[23:23] <jono> Pedobearishere in #ubuntu-women
[23:23] <jono> ahh
[23:23] <jono> :)
[23:23] <jono> thanks hypa7ia
[23:23] <LjL> nalioth: it's pedobearshare whatever
[23:23] <LjL> i think you k-lined him the other day
[23:23] <LjL> or someone did
[23:24] <hypa7ia> he's on a home connection


[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[09:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: great email re paper jams
[09:44] <AlanBell> :-)
[09:46] <czajkowski> it's rather a good idea and the paper jams don't necessarily affect NGOs
[09:47] <czajkowski> so they are across the board
[09:47] <czajkowski> hence why Ivanka is gonna help us
[10:25] <jussi01> Hrm. could someone turn off the [ubuntu-NGO] thing on the ML? no other ubuntu ML that I know of has it, and its easy enough in most of the popular mail clients and other mail services to sort by mailing list.
[10:27] <czajkowski> I'm not sure what you're referring to?
[10:33] <czajkowski> jussi01: ^^
[10:34] <jussi01> czajkowski: from what Ive seen, there seems to be [ubuntu-ngo] in the subject line. but maybe thats just someones naming system when theyve replied.
[10:35] <czajkowski> hmm
[10:35] <czajkowski> not sure tbh
[10:35] <dholbach> jussi01: that's what all launchpad mailing lists do
[10:35] <jussi01> czajkowski: I will be talking to my consultant friend on wednesday btw.
[10:35] <jussi01> dholbach: oh? :/
[10:35] <dholbach> jussi01: I don't think you can turn it off
[10:35] <ebel> Ah mailing list formats... no end of differences.
[10:36] <jussi01> all the old ones dont.
[10:36] <dholbach> lists.launchpad.net
[10:36] <czajkowski> jussi01: oh good
[10:36] <jussi01> dholbach: are you certain? Id be suprised.
[10:36] <dholbach> lists.launchpad.net vs lists.ubuntu.com
[10:36] <czajkowski> I' just logged in and there are no settings to change so I'd assume it cannot be changed.
[10:36] <dholbach> ye
[10:36] <dholbach> p
[10:37] <jussi01> Im going to go ask in #launchpad, brb
[10:37] <ebel> and some people have stupid mail clients and they can only filter on Subject line.
[10:38] <jussi01> [12:38:08] <jussi01> hey, can you turn off the [$listname] in the subject line of Launchpad mailing lists?
[10:38] <jussi01> [12:38:17] <wgrant> jussi01: No, sadly.
[10:39] <jussi01> :/
[10:39] <czajkowski> jussi01: so you didn't believe dholbach
[10:39] <czajkowski> bold jussi01 :p
[10:40] <dholbach> czajkowski: it's not like I always know what I'm doing :)
[10:40] <jussi01> and if I ask there then I get double confirm plus whether I need to file a bug or not. everyone wins
[10:41] <jussi01> Bug #396888
[10:41] <jussi01> oh... no bot here?
[10:41] <czajkowski> dholbach: more often than not though :)
[10:41] <czajkowski> jussi01: only logging bot in here
[10:41] <czajkowski>  ubuntulog:
[10:41] <dholbach> czajkowski: you're very kind :)
[10:41] <jussi01> is there a reason we dont have a factoid/bugbot?
[10:42] <czajkowski> jussi01: we only got ubuntulog in there recently just to have, didn't really factor in the others to be honest
[10:42] <jussi01> Bug #396888
[10:42] <jussi01> Ill probably substitute her soon, but Im impatient :)
[10:49] <czajkowski> heh
[10:50] <czajkowski> so we now have ubottu in here
[10:50] <czajkowski> and I didn't have to log into evil RT :D
[10:50] <czajkowski> so what do folks think of the paper jam idea?
[10:54] <jussi01> ubottu: part
[10:54] <jussi01> JanC: just arrived
[10:54] <jussi01> jpds:
[10:55] <czajkowski> eh?
[10:56] <jussi01> czajkowski: I subsituted her for a clone.
[10:56] <jussi01> !test
[10:56] <ubot4> yes, I'm alive.
[10:57] <czajkowski> ah ok your bots are hers :)
[11:12] <jussi01> yup.
[13:47] <czajkowski> whoo life on the NGO mailing list
[13:47] <czajkowski> <3
[13:47] <czajkowski> :D
[13:48] <matti> ;-p
[15:00] <czajkowski> Pendulum: see ngo list, lots of activity
[15:00] <czajkowski> Pendulum: jussi01 has some suggestions on how to make the wiki more informative
[15:02] <Pendulum> czajkowski: will look when i have a moment :)
[15:02] <Pendulum> (am playing catch-up from friday :) )
[15:04] <czajkowski> Pendulum: no bother