[01:26] <hads> The banks don't approve of it but don't seem to be concerned enough about it to enforce anything. I've never used it and don't plan to.
[01:27] <hads> AirNZ use either that or card fees which are a complete rip off. I usually fly on other airlines.
[02:13] <olly_> i guess just allowing online banking payments probably would mean a lot of hassle handling payments with incorrect reference details for the merchant
[02:13] <olly_> presumably they also get a confirmation from poli that the payment has been made
[02:42] <G> olly_: yeah, thats why I was saying more like the BPAY system (which is instant already) but with improvements for merchant checking payment was made
[02:44] <G> iirc from my time in Australia the system was basically, login to Internet Banking, hit the BPay link/icon/whatever, type in the merchant number, then it asked for exactly what was required for the payment to go through, click the next button, and payment was made
[02:45] <G> All it'd need is for a system for airlines/whomever to be able to automatically check that incoming payments totally the amount have been made using the reference numbers, and confirm the seats/sale
[02:46] <G> (afterall, most people know how to browse to their bank's internet banking site.
[02:46] <olly_> yeah, it should be hard to come up with a sane system
[02:47] <olly_> should NOT
[02:47] <olly_> interbank payments are usually next day here currently aren't they?
[02:48] <G> But alas, the banks seem more interested in sticking with the 15+ digit account numbers for any sort of payments and fiddly text boxes for reference numbers, or pre-arranged agreements on a bank-by-bank basis to make it slightly easier
[02:48] <G> (but more confusing)
[02:48] <G> olly_: most are, but they are changing the system to hourly clearing
[02:48] <G> (i think clearing is the right term(?))
[02:50] <olly_> probably
[02:52] <G> but yeah, it just needs some people to put their heads together and come up with a better solution
[02:58] <hads> ASB, KiwiBank currently clear payments hourly. Some others do too I think.
[02:58] <hads> ASB also allows you to pay people by phone number and Facebook and things with their mobile app. Seem to be quite forward thinking in some areas.
[03:02] <olly_> not sure i really want facebook integration from my bank
[03:02] <hads> No, neither. I haven't tried it as I'm not on Facebook but I guess it's a pretty big market to tap.
[03:03] <olly_> though i guess it beats having to type in some random account number if you do
[03:03] <hads> I guess it's some sort of store-notify-forward type system.
[03:03] <olly_> i wonder if it helps prevent fraud, though people tend to accept friend requests pretty readily
[03:05] <hads> Seems to be info here; https://www.asb.co.nz/mobilebanking/ Looks like you can pay by email address too.
[03:08] <olly_> seems like it sends the recipient a notice, so kind of like paypal in that regard
[04:37] <G> ANZ also have a system like that (based on their TV ads)
[04:37] <G> unless that was in Australia and I remember it from the Australian ads  (problem with the same brand & ads in two countries)
[18:20] <Atamira> morning
[18:56] <olly_> morning
[19:47] <thumper> morning
[20:59] <chilts> morning
[21:52] <ibeardslee> morning


[20:48] <theadmin> Hey everyone. So, after installing fglrx I get a weird "Unsupported hardware" watermark on my screen. Not too sure what that is, but how do I get rid of that? The driver works perfectly >.<
[20:48] <excelsior> So I guess I need to know how to partition an encrypted hard drive
[20:49] <BluesKaj> romy420:  was it a driver/module problem , do you recall ?
[20:49] <simplew> i have added myself to group root, but i continue not being able to have write permissions on dirs owned by root, anyone can explain why?
[20:49] <romy420> BluesKaj, i had to enter my model and some parameter in an alsa config file .. that was in 2007 or so
[20:50] <dfguk> j #ubuntu
[20:50] <NewWorld> simplew:  Check the _group_ permissions on those dirs
[20:50] <simplew> NewWorld: i have, see drwxrwxr-x 38 root root 4096 Jul 17 22:30 git
[20:50] <llutz> simplew: you need to re-login after adding a user to a group
[20:50] <romy420> simplew, most people use 'sudo' to gain root permissions
[20:50] <simplew> llutz: oh...
[20:51] <dfguk> speaker-test -c 2 48000 -D hw:0,3 sends audio out to the hdmi connected tv, however I cannot see this option in settings/audio/output
[20:51] <dfguk> any ideas?
[20:51] <simplew> romy420: this is not the case
[20:51] <simplew> llutz: thanks
[20:51] <dfguk> 12.04
[20:51] <romy420> simplew, with ubuntu it is the case. this is a security feature
[20:52] <BluesKaj> romy420:  ok , a while back ..the snd_hda_intel driver /module is very common and was working well , suddenly there seem to be problems with it again
[20:53] <romy420> BluesKaj, ok, good to know this. i just wonder how he got kernel 3.5 installed in 20 minutes. is it already in the repos? dont think so
[20:54] <BarkingFish> evening guys.  Does anyone know who deals with our repositories/pools when we have a problem please?
[20:54] <BluesKaj> romy420:  unless he's on 12.10
[20:54] <romy420> BluesKaj, yeah maybe. i did not check this. then bugs should be expected :)
[20:54] <dfguk> speaker-test -c 2 48000 -D hw:0,3 sends audio out to the hdmi connected tv successfully. However I cannot see this option in settings/audio/output
[20:54] <excelsior> So how do I partition an encrypted hard drive?
[20:55] <Mahmoud> my ubuntu doesn't connect to wireless via that lovely GUI app. i had to manually turn it on, and then use wpa_supplicant
[20:55] <BarkingFish> I have a problem.  I'm trying to install a KDE application on 12.04 which is showing as not available when I try to apt-get install it - I specifically pull from the gb archive, and I'm wondering if anyone else using another mirror is getting this issue too.
[20:55] <Mahmoud> i was installing some apps that help me adjust my trackpoint's speed/sensitivity
[20:56] <BarkingFish> I need to discover who deals with our mirrors, so I can inquire with them
[20:56] <BluesKaj> romy420:  I'm using 12.10 , its using the 3.5 kernel
[20:56] <excelsior> So how do I partition an encrypted hard drive?
[20:57] <BarkingFish> !repeat | excelsior
[20:57] <Relondo> Is there any way to access a hibernated windows partition from inside Ubuntu?
[20:57] <Mahmoud> what are the apps that ubuntu runs in background to make sure network interfaces are up?
[20:57] <romy420> BluesKaj, is it stable?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Relondo:  try mounting it first
[20:58] <reuf> i want to record a screen cast - what software to use?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> romy420:  much more than 12.04 was at alpha 3
[20:58] <Mahmoud> i installed sysutils.. is this a problem?
[20:59] <Relondo> BluesKaj: It says it can't, because windows is hibernated. I know that modifying the files on the Windows partition could cause problems, but what about just read/copy access?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> romy420:  I'm on kde , but the ubuntu guys will probly agree with me
[20:59] <romy420> excelsior, backup your date to an exernal hd then try to resize the lvm or the partitions inside of it with gparted
[20:59] <genii-around> Mahmoud: ifup is what is called from /etc/init/network-interface.conf by upstart
[21:00] <romy420> BluesKaj, good to know. though i have worked to long to install everything i want to try an upgrade o-O
[21:01] <Mahmoud> genii-around: i see no ifup here http://codepad.org/Xx8RPDkY
[21:01] <Mahmoud> oh, it's there
[21:02] <yusufaliboz> hi, I'm installing Football manager 2012 on ubuntu, but i need to install .net framework 2.0, but it returns your computer is 64 bit. you can't install.
[21:02] <Mahmoud> genii-around: good
[21:02] <theadmin> yusufaliboz: Use winetricks.
[21:02] <dfguk> why wouldn't gnome audo settings manager cannot see my hdmi hdmi sound output while aplay can?
[21:02] <dfguk> 12.04
[21:02] <yusufaliboz> theadmin:  I'm using winetricks still.
[21:02] <theadmin> dfguk: Maybe because aplay uses ALSA directly, but most of GNOME uses Pulseaudio?
[21:03] <Mahmoud> genii-around: i basically can't see the wireless applet in my status bar (the one that tells me which ESSIDs are there, and how to connect to them)
[21:03] <theadmin> yusufaliboz: Hm... This could be due to the fact that .NET 2.0 is very, very old...
[21:03] <yusufaliboz> theadmin:  oh sorry. how can i use winetricks for my problem?
[21:04] <theadmin> yusufaliboz: Oh, well -- winetricks has a "Install Windows DLL or tool" (or somesuch -- can't remember) option, which has various .NET versions.
[21:04] <ses1984> if my computer boots while my monitor is off, i get set to 1024x768 resolution. that and 800x600 are my only options, even though my monitor is 1920x1080 natively
[21:04] <dfguk> theadmin, do you think there may be a workaround? I remember setting to hdmi sound output on this system at some point
[21:04] <theadmin> dfguk: Not sure, sorry.
[21:04] <dfguk> theadmin, all right, thanks
[21:05] <yusufaliboz> theadmin:  oh! I can't understand. what i need to do?
[21:05] <BluesKaj> Relondo:  how have you been accessing the files previously , with a smb network folder?
[21:06] <theadmin> yusufaliboz: Okay, open a terminal and run this: winetricks dotnet20
[21:06] <romy420> yusufaliboz, maybe u better ask in #winehq?!
[21:07] <yusufaliboz> theadmin:  It returns you os is 64bit.
[21:07] <yusufaliboz> theadmin:  It returns your os is 64bit.
[21:07] <Relondo> BluesKaj: I might not have been very clear. I can access the files just fine when Windows is shut down, but when it's hibernated, Ubuntu can't mount it. I haven't been accessing the files previously; I was wondering if there was a way to read/copy from (but not write to) a hibernated NTFS drive.
[21:07] <theadmin> yusufaliboz: Oh... Hm, okay, sorry, no idea then. Try to join #winehq and ask there
[21:07] <yusufaliboz> theadmin:  ok. thanks for helps.
[21:07] <theadmin> yusufaliboz: I didn't really help did I :P
[21:07] <NewWorld> ses1984:  You can add `xrandr -s 1920x1080` as a command that runs on startup
[21:08] <Resinator> is there a way to just use my windows drivers for ubuntu
[21:08] <Resinator> for the sound
[21:08] <excelsior> So how do I partition an encrypted hard drive? Will Gparted be able to do it? What keys will I need?
[21:08] <Resinator> at least those actually work
[21:09] <theadmin> Well, okay, what the actual... Installing and then deleting fglrx resolved mouse flickering in KDE. Weird.
[21:09] <theadmin> What sort of black magic is this.
[21:09] <ses1984> NewWorld: "Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes"
[21:10] <lemarc> i was trying to install dhcp on my system with the command "sudo apt-get install dhcp3-server" but after installation i have both dhcp and dhcp3 in my /etc dir, also dhcpd.conf is missing from the dhcp3 folder
[21:10] <simplew>  i have an account from ubuntu precise that had the home folders (Documents, Videos, Music, etc) in my naitve language, now that i have move to quantal i have duplicated fodlers, the same folders in my native lang and in english, and the ones in english are now considered as the valid ones, how can i put ubuntu using the ones from my native lang?
[21:11] <excelsior> So how do I partition an encrypted hard drive? Will Gparted be able to do it? What keys will I need? Where do find them? What should I write down?
[21:11] <caixa> is there a channel for general ubuntu chat?
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> simplew  for quantal: /join #ubuntu+1
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> caixa  #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <caixa> MonkeyDust, ty
[21:12] <NewWorld> ses1984:  That's a really weird problem. Gfx card is set up and configured when the machine boots. Having a monitor connected or not shouldn't matter. Sorry I don't know where to go from here
[21:12] <Relondo> Is there any reason Ubuntu 12.04 would be running slower than Windows XP?
[21:12] <simplew> MonkeyDust: om there but no one answers
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> simplew  that's the place for quantal, you'l have to be patient
[21:13] <ses1984> oh well tahnks NewWorld
[21:13] <ses1984> thanks*
[21:13] <romy420> excelsior, sorry i did just check .. it cant be done with gparted once you have an installed system. maybe this will help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[21:14] <excelsior> thakns romy420
[21:14] <NewWorld> simplew:  A very hack-y workaround, but what if you make symbolic links named in English that point to the respective folder names in your language?
[21:14] <romy420> good luck and backup your data just to be sure
[21:14] <simplew> NewWorld: no
[21:15] <NewWorld> simplew:  no, what?
[21:16] <r3dLunchb0x_> trying to setup quota's so users can see how much diskspace they are using on 12.04 and instructions are not working.
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> what the factoid for 'register'?
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> what's*
[21:19] <kmwhite> Trying to create a Physical Volume in Ubuntu 12.04 (x86_64, kernel: 3.2.0-24-generic), but cannot create one larger than 2TB. According to Wikipedia, I should be able to do 16EB. I can't find an Ubuntu posting about the limits. Any ideas on how to figure out what the problem is?
[21:19] <kmwhite> I'm working with a 4TB device.
[21:20] <BluesKaj> Relondo:  thanks for clearing that up , I've never experienced that situation ...if you have it hibernating on the same pc then it's suspended to ram , not a good situation for 2 OSs
[21:21] <Relondo> BluesKaj: This was completely unknown to me. Do you have any idea how much RAM Win7 would be using when hibernated?
[21:21] <wN> wat
[21:21] <wN> im pretty sure hibernation writes ram to disk
[21:22] <kmwhite> wN that is correct.
[21:22] <kmwhite> wN It couldn't power off unless it did that
[21:22] <wN> i love being right
[21:22] <Relondo> Yeah, that sorta came to mind...
[21:22] <genii-around> kmwhite: What are you using to make the volume with?
[21:22] <maicod> what is the name of the default windows manager used in Ubuntu ? Is it Gnome ?
[21:23] <Relondo> maicod: Nautilus? Or is that the file manager...
[21:23] <romy420> Relondo, what exactly are u trying to achieve?
[21:23] <maicod> think thats the file manager
[21:23] <wowstargate> maicod Gnome
[21:23] <maicod> wowstargate: OK thanks !
[21:23] <Relondo> romy420: Read and copy access to my hibernated Win7 partition from inside Ubuntu.
[21:23] <wowstargate> yup
[21:24] <kmwhite> genii-around, used fdisk to partition (which I think I found a bug in...) and then ran the command "sudo pvcreate /dev/md127p1" to create the Physical Volume.
[21:24] <romy420> Relondo, i know but why would u need that? accessing the content of the RAM of your windows session.
[21:24] <genii-around> kmwhite: Use instead gdisk
[21:24] <genii-around> ( or parted )
[21:25] <neberu> xx
[21:25] <Relondo> romy420: I have various files that I like to use on both OSes, and don't have the space to maintain two copies. I am talking about the hard drive here, not the RAm.
[21:26] <kmwhite> genii-around, I'll look into it. Do you think that will fix the problem? I.E., could it be related to MBR partitioning rather than GPT?
[21:27] <genii-around> kmwhite: I'm pretty sure it's fdisk limiting it to 2TB
[21:27] <romy420> Relondo, the hibernation file contains everyt5hing that was in the RAM when hibernating. so maybe u just want to access your windows partition
[21:27] <kmwhite> genii-around, Odd. The partitions were created. I'll give it a try -- ty!
[21:27] <Relondo> romy420: Yes, that's exactly what I want to do.
[21:27] <theadmin> Anyway, thanks for the distro people. Even though Ubuntu's not my favorite, it's definetly the distro I suggest for newbies and install on comps of such.
[21:27] <thanmustoki> hello
[21:27] <Relondo> romy420: But I want to do so while leaving Windows hibernated.
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: suse is also friendly, as is mandriva
[21:29] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: SuSE has a huge fail with the untranslated installer -- some newbies (those who don't speak English) may fail to install it. Mandriva is just... horrifying in terms of having a paid version.
[21:29] <Relondo> ...what would be the fastest distro?
[21:29] <romy420> Relondo, i never tried _that_ ... ntfs partitions should be accessible through nautilus but i dont have any ntfs here :P so i'm not sure
[21:29] <Relondo> theadmin: Mandriva has a PAID VERSION!?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: its not anymore, there is a free one :)
[21:30] <Relondo> romy420: No, the partition is accessible normally, when windows is shut down, but not when it's hibernated.
[21:30] <theadmin> Relondo: It does indeed. As well as a free one.
[21:30] <theadmin> Anyway, we got offtopic here :D
[21:30] <Relondo> theadmin: I shun Mandriva. Dear god, how can any devs stomach working on that?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: http://www.mandriva.com/downloads/2011/  fill your boots
[21:31] <OerHeks> Relondo, ofcourse when it is hybernated, you cannot acces it from linux.. how do you start linux when windows is hybernated?
[21:31] <Relondo> Oerheks: I can have both Oses hibernated at once, if I so choose.
[21:31] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Again, offtopic. And no thanks, I'll stay with K/X/L/Ubuntu
[21:32] <Relondo> OerHeks: And yes, I know editing the drive while hibernated would be bad, but could I just read/copy from it?
[21:33] <Relondo> OerHeks: *and impossible
[21:33] <maicod> how do I start the D-BUS daemon ?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: well, there is paid support for ubuntu, same difference
[21:33] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Hehe, I guess :)
[21:33] <detig> I want to make more room for my 12.04 install, but I'm not sure if it's possible after looking at this screenshot from GParted   http://i.imgur.com/abKVQ.png
[21:34] <maicod> detig: resize the extended partition (the blue lines)
[21:34] <detig> maicod: It has linux-swap as part of it
[21:35] <compdoc> detig, theres lots of room there, although theres a small chunk in the middle thats wasted
[21:35] <maicod> detig: yes but it can be resized to the right cause the first part is not used inside it
[21:36] <maicod> click on the word Extended (in the list below the graphic)
[21:36] <maicod> then resize it to smaller size by sliding the left blue edge to the right
[21:37] <maicod> until it can't go further anymore (cause it hits the swap partition)
[21:38] <maicod> when I try to run gconftool-2 it says that D-BUS daemon isnt running . How do I start that ?
[21:44] <vor> helloo.. i have a question about the unity dash pls
[21:45] <vor> how do I show all menu items in the dash pls
[21:45] <hilo> hello, I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to have a server that is off (but powered and connected to the network) automatically power on when other network nodes try to access it's resources.
[21:45] <bzzzz> wake on lan
[21:46] <bzzzz> hilo: ^
[21:46] <simplew> "git show SHA" shows a commit, but how can get that comit reversed so tha ti dont have to use "patch -R" ?
[21:47] <SolarisBoy> simplew: you want to revert a commit?
[21:47] <hilo> bzzzz: WOL makes sense as the method to switch on a machine, but how can I detect requests and send a WOL packet to turn on the server?
[21:47] <SolarisBoy> simplew: or as in you just dont want to push what you commit?
[21:48] <detig> Ok here's what I have now http://i.imgur.com/bvfYp.png
[21:48] <SolarisBoy> simplew: just update the files and re-add them and commit again
[21:48] <SolarisBoy> the second commit over rides the first afaik
[21:49] <simplew> SolarisB1y: i simply want to create a patch, i dont want to comit any
[21:49] <SolarisBoy> so make the patch and add it to the repo
[21:49] <SolarisBoy> ::shrugs::
[21:49] <SolarisBoy> whats the point of version control if you dont commit your changes?
[21:51] <detig> Can I reclaim the Unallocated space in my screenshot?
[21:52] <NewWorld> detig:  yeah, resize sda1 to eat it up. Or make a new partition there
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> detig: you can expand sda1 into it easily
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> detig: you can do it in liveCD so it's not mounted
[21:53] <detig> Some how I'm not clicking the thing. LOL
[21:53] <detig> I am actively running 12.04 in SDA1
[21:54] <DarsVaeda> is there a password generator for ubuntu that can create ascii-only passwords as secpwgen does?
[21:54] <fellayaboy> where are the path environments
[21:54] <fellayaboy> in 12.04
[21:54] <theadmin> fellayaboy: /etc/environment is the system-wide one
[21:54] <genii-around> detig: You won't be able to adjust partitions from an OS running on one of the partitions, you'll need to use a boot from another hd or CD
[21:54] <fellayaboy> cool and local?
[21:54] <theadmin> fellayaboy: For each user, you can simply define PATH in .bashrc or such.
[21:55] <fellayaboy> thanks
[21:55] <jrib> DarsVaeda: does pwgen not do that?
[21:55] <detig> genii-around: I had a feeling that was the issue. Thanks for the info and thanls to ALL the helpful voices!
[21:55] <DarsVaeda> aparently not
[21:55] <jrib> DarsVaeda: explain
[21:55] <DarsVaeda> I have illegal characters in my password
[21:56] <fellayaboy> hey is there a file that shows the path environment for say $EDITOR. and all the like? where is that file at
[21:56] <theadmin> DarsVaeda: Use "pwgen -1" -- otherwise it gives several passwords, which are separated by spaces and newlines
[21:56] <jrib> fellayaboy: what do you want to accomplish?
[21:57] <DarsVaeda> theadmin I did
[21:57] <fellayaboy> excuse me the enviroment variables i believe is the proper term
[21:57] <theadmin> fellayaboy: Run "export", it shows all the currently set envvars
[21:57] <fellayaboy> well i wanna change the default editor to vim instead of nano
[21:57] <mz|`> fellayaboy: ènv` ?
[21:57] <fellayaboy> for all applications etc
[21:58] <fellayaboy> env`
[21:58] <jrib> fellayaboy: you want to change the default editor system wide or for your user?
[21:58] <mz|`> /etc/environment /etc/profile & else + default settings of the distribution you use
[21:58] <fellayaboy> system wide is fine
[21:58] <fellayaboy> but either way im curious to know where all those variables are being declared..is there a file thats declaring them
[21:58] <mz|`> ^
[21:59] <jrib> fellayaboy: well you could use update-alternatives for system-wide.  There's select-editor you could run as your user too (not sure if there's a system-wide setting for it; probably is)
[21:59] <fellayaboy> of i chedk /etc/environment and /etc/profile but i didnt see anythign declared...
[22:00] <jrib> fellayaboy: EDITOR isn't defined for a new user I create
[22:00] <kmwhite> That worked, genii-around . Thanks agian.
[22:00] <kmwhite> s/agian/again/
[22:01] <genii-around> kmwhite: You're welcome
[22:02] <fellayaboy> i see...i guess there isnt a delcared $editor as i thought there would be...hmmm i gotta read a book on this..i should've learned about this
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> $EDITOR and $editor would be different. :)
[22:02] <fellayaboy> of thanks guys
[22:02] <fellayaboy> yeah it would
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> Theres no $EDITOR set here.
[22:03] <fellayaboy> i see..i just assumed there was
[22:03] <fellayaboy> thanks
[22:03] <Dr_Willis> set it if you want. ;)
[22:04] <jrib> fellayaboy: annoyingly there are many ways "editor" is defined.  There's EDITOR, VISUAL, /usr/bin/editor, select-editor off the top of my head
[22:08] <mark_peters> What is the current kernel in Ubuntu? I'm not running it at the moment.
[22:08] <mark_peters> I know it's original release was 3.2.0
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> uname -a
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> Linux Speedbuntu 3.2.0-27-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 6 14:25:57 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> is what i have right now
[22:09] <Steisi_F> I need someone to make a program for me, the budget is $500
[22:10] <mark_peters> Thanks, Dr_Willis
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> ive not updated this week. so i may not be totally up to the latest version
[22:11] <mark_peters> That's fine. I was just wondering the second minor release version.
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:12] <Dr_Willis>   linux-headers-3.2.0-29 linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> ;) just updated..
[22:12] <mark_peters> Gotcha :D Ciao.
[22:12] <Hexeon> my floppy doesn't show up in ubuntu
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> mount it by hand perhaps.
[22:14] <dylan> so I have this .tar.bz2 file.  What do I do with it?
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> dylan:  its an archive.. weve no idea whats in it..
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> !info unp
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> Unpack it.. and do.. well.. whatever it is you wanted to do with it. :)
[22:16] <shbk1> hello , guys! maybe someone know what can be a reason of this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11730181/linux-module-compilng-missed-folder-asm
[22:16] <OerHeks> double-click should open fileroller
[22:16] <douwe_> hi, I want to take the hdd from my laptop which is starting to fail, and put it into an older pc, but it doesn't load, even in safe mode. any idea what goes wrong? grub loads fine
[22:16] <douwe_> do I have to change video settings?
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> if the HD is failing.. it may have failed so badly the system cant boot. try to recover with a live cd.
[22:18] <douwe_> Dr_Willis: it's not the hdd, but the mobo. Hence why I want to put it in a different laptop
[22:20] <trippeh>   Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'
[22:20] <trippeh> Seems I need ipv4 to get security updates? :(
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> Its hard for us to tell what you should with failing hardware.  If the MB is going bad.. then remove it and put it in somthing else.
[22:21] <douwe_> Dr_Willis: I'm not asking about the hardware. The hdd is fine, I'm putting it in a laptop that's also fine. However it doesn't boot in that laptop, although it does in the starting to fail other laptop
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> So you have allready Moved it then..  You PUT it in a differnt laptop.. :)
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> whats differnt about the 2 laptops? video cards?  cpu? whats the exact error messages
[22:23] <douwe_> Dr_Willis, well yeah, I tried to, it didn't work, so I took it out again... but yeah =)
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> use a live cd, fsck the hard drive. verify its all there.
[22:25] <douwe_> I don't get an error message unfortunately. they're both intel cpu with ati gpu combo, but the one I want to use is older. core duo vs core 2 duo.   What is the best place to look for what caused it?
[22:40] <starter2> i am using Wubi, 12.04
[22:41] <rax-> is the word "kernel" mentioned in the update process if there's a kernel update for ubuntu?
[22:41] <rax-> I'm on 3.2.0-25-generic but can't see anything ever mention an update in logs
[22:41] <rax-> don't know if it has updated or not but I don't think it has
[22:41] <rsser> how can I do to minimize a software by console?
[22:42] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  theres tools like devilspie, but not sure about cli controll. i recall there being tools to do it in the past.. years ago
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> rax-: yes it will also update grub too
[22:43] <rsser> Dr_Willis: thank you
[22:43] <Dr_Willis> be nice if the package manager tools somehow had 'tags' for packages ;) not just keyword searching via description
[22:44] <rax-> so 3.2.0 is the latest kernel version released via updates?
[22:44] <rax-> for 12.04
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:44] <Dr_Willis>   linux-headers-3.2.0-29 linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic
[22:44] <rax-> thanks
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> is what is getting installed here..
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> Not sure why the bots info differs
[22:44] <rsser> Dr_Willis:  is a gtk apps
[22:44] <RomeoAva> In Change Desktop Bekground I don't have tha tast line with The Unity Launcher (the bar on the left hand screen) can be resized if you’re find it too big or too small.
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> Im a gtk app? :P
[22:45] <rsser> I'm accessing the computer remotely
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[22:45] <RomeoAva> I dont understand
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  thers a dozen ways to access a pc remotely. :) so that dosent clear much up.
 I dont understand the question
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: it's a terminal command
[22:46] <RomeoAva> ok
[22:46] <RomeoAva> what to do?
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> run the command.. tell us the output..
[22:46] <rsser> I'd like to minimize or close apps remotely, Dr_Willis
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  how are you even seeing the apps?
[22:47] <RomeoAva> lsb_release -sc
[22:47] <RomeoAva> precise
[22:47] <rsser> I see them from info of "top"  command line
 precise
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: thanks and do you use desktop effects or are you using Unity2D?
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  if   you want to kill the apps via the command line over ssh. you can use the kill command.
[22:48] <RomeoAva> I dont know but seems to be 2D
[22:48] <rsser> why not, Dr_Willis ?
[22:48] <RomeoAva> because i tray to do someting with Myunity and sed like that, 2D
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  why not  what? ......
[22:49] <dimi_> test
[22:49] <rsser> of course, I am able to kill apps remotely
[22:49] <dimi_> it works
[22:49] <dimi_> hi
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: what is the output of:  ps -ef | egrep 'compiz|metacity' | grep -v grep
[22:50] <dangerousice> can someone help me out please. i currently have ubuntu installed with a raid5. i want to format and add ubuntu server. is there anyway i can readd the raid5 to the server? thanks
[22:50] <rsser> i'd like to open an application on client pc, but it's hard
[22:50] <rsser> it is calling to open here
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  turn off X forwarding.
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> !info wmctrl
[22:51] <RomeoAva> ps -ef | egrep 'compiz|metacity' | grep -v grep
[22:51] <Dr_Willis> http://movingtofreedom.org/2010/08/10/arranging-windows-from-the-gnulinux-command-line-with-wmctrl/
[22:51] <RomeoAva> ps -ef | egrep 'compiz|metacity' | grep -v grep
[22:51] <RomeoAva> romica    1470  1303  0 01:40 ?        00:00:02 metacity
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: ok, it's unity2D
[22:51] <rsser> Dr_Willis: thank you
[22:51] <rsser> Dr_Willis: I willl see
[22:51] <RomeoAva> how to change
[22:52] <RomeoAva> and make some cube
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/how-to-change-unity-2d-launcher-icon-size-with-a-script
[22:52] <RomeoAva> :))
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> RomeoAva: cube isn't available in 2D, you need 3D accelleration
 what is the inconvenice to use 3D? Can I have it? Way some have 3D from the begining?
[22:55] <Venom> should i reformat my /home partition if fsck ran because of an error?
[22:55] <Venom> or am i safe?
[22:55] <rsser> Dr_Willis: it said "cannot open display"
[22:56] <rsser> wmctrl -r "firefox" -e 0,0,0,300,400=> this was the command line
[22:59] <Blazemore> Venom: If fsck ran that's fine. It's what it's there for
[22:59] <Venom> ok!
 what is the inconvenice to use 3D? Can I have it? Way some have 3D from the begining?
[23:00] <BarkingFish> Anyone know how to set up a system so it fscks a drive after a set number of mounts please?  Mine checks /dev/sda after 26 mounts, automatically, but even when it says it will check /dev/sdb at the next boot, it never does.  I want to set /dev/sdb to be checked in the same way as sda curently is, but I don't know where to set that up.
[23:02] <rsser> I cant fix that == >  (gedit:3162): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0
[23:02] <rsser> what does it mean?
[23:02] <exutux> rsser: means that you're trying to open some X program or window from a tyy
[23:03] <exutux> tty*
[23:03] <rax-> linux-image-3.2.0-27-generic is this a kernel update?
[23:03] <exutux> or you're in ssh session in a remote shell
[23:03] <rsser> exutux: yes
[23:03] <rsser> I'm ssh session remotely
[23:04] <exutux> rsser: so you cannot open display in that condition
[23:04] <rsser> but I want to open software with interface on client
[23:04] <exutux> if you're in ssh you have to login in ssh session, exportin X so ssh -X user@ipremote
[23:04] <rsser> from the shell
[23:04] <exutux> you cannot in that way
[23:04] <rsser> exutux: I'm on windows accessing linux shell
[23:04] <rsser> I'm using putty
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  you need to set your display variable to be the DISPLAY of the remote desktop. if you want ti appear on the remote desktop.. How are you seeing these apps anyway?
[23:05] <BarkingFish> rax-, yes it probably is. Depends on what kernel you're running now - you can find out from a terminal by typing  uname -r
[23:05] <exutux> in ssh X session yiu can run gui window in you're local machine not in remote
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  why are you doing all this song and dance anyway?
[23:05] <rsser> because I haven't NXPROGRAM
[23:06] <rsser> to access ubuntu by gui
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  if you want remote controll of the remote linux box  you could just use vnc, or teamviewer, or other ways
[23:06] <rax-> BarkingFish: Yea, I'm on 3.2.0-26 atm but haven't restarted since before the update to 3.2.0-25 or 3.2.0- 26
[23:06] <Blazemore> Does LogMeIn support Linux?
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  vnc, or teamviewer work well.  theres otehr ways as well.  what do you need to run on the remote box anyway?
[23:06] <rsser> okay
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> rsser: if you install and run xming you can tell putty to allow X access and run GUI apps :)
[23:07] <rsser> thank you
[23:07] <rsser> okay
[23:07] <rsser> ActionParsnip: thank you
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> xming+ssh/putty = you can view single apps on the local box.. that are RUnning on the remote box.
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> The Magick of X forwarding over SSH.
[23:07] <BarkingFish> rax-, then yes it definitely will be an update.  Depending on which sources you have enabled, some users are currently going up to 3.2.0-29-generic, which I think is a testing kernel
[23:08] <rax-> ok thanks
[23:08] <Tbuntu> hello! Does anyone know how to check a Google Chrome extension for malware? In particular: http://nisza.org/chromium/smooth-gestures-0.15.4.crx
[23:08] <rsser> xming isn't in repository!
[23:09] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  xming is a X server for windows... so that makes sence...
[23:09] <romy420> lol
[23:09] <Blazemore> Tbuntu: Ask yourself why it isn't in the Chrome extensions store?
[23:09] <Blazemore> Tbuntu: What do they have to gain by hosting it themselves? And do you trust them?
[23:09] <Blazemore> Tbuntu: There are many reasons they would host it themselves, and none of them benefit you
[23:10] <rsser> Dr_Willis: I'm trying to set the putty. I'm SSH putty settings
[23:10] <Tbuntu> that is a remake of Smooth Gestures; the original one was removed from the Chrome store because it contained spyware. This one purports to have the spyware removed
[23:10] <rsser> I've checked x11 forward ing
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  you need to clarify exactly what your end goal is. you are jumping around from one idea/question to another.
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> rsser: ahh, if the client is Ubuntu then you don't need putty. You can connect in terminal using:  ssh -X user@server       and when you run GUI apps, it will show on the client system.
[23:11] <idrissa> hello there
[23:11] <rsser> Dr_Willis: I'm really sorry
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  and clarify what OS is on each end of this..
[23:11] <rsser> okay
[23:11] <exutux> if you're in ssh you have to login in ssh session, exportin X so ssh -X user@ipremote
[23:11] <rsser> I'm on windows 7 premium accessing ubuntu 11.04
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  and is this linux box on the local lan? or somewhere else?
[23:12] <rsser> I'm sorry again, Dr_Willis
[23:12] <rsser> both computers(windows and ubuntu) are on the same network
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> rsser:   you can SEE both monitors from where you are sitting?
[23:12] <rsser> the computers are notebooks
[23:13] <rsser> notebook1 with windows and notebook2 with ubuntu
[23:13] <rsser> note1 accessing note2 by putty
[23:13] <rsser> Dr_Willis: yeah, I can
[23:13] <rsser> I'm able to see screen of the notebooks
[23:14] <rsser> screens*
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  You can use 'synergy' to use one keyboard/mouse to controll both machines.. if you just want to mouse over to the right and controll the linux box as if you were using Its keyboard/mouse.. ;)
[23:14] <exutux> why you don't enable remote desktop in ubuntu then?
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  you can use SSH to run apps on the remote box and have them appar on the windows box IF you use xming on windows...
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  you can use VNC to have the remote desktop appear in a window on the local box....
[23:15] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  So now  ;) what do you want to do with the 2 machines..
[23:15]  * Dr_Willis dosent think he missed anything..
[23:15] <rsser> I want to use the putty  from note1, controll the note2
[23:15] <Dr_Willis> ssh to the linux box and use whatever cli commands you want then.. so whats the issue?
[23:15] <ccolorado> Hi am tring to compare the contents of two sourcode directories, problem is that in one all lines end up in ^M ( presumably different encoding) this makes the diff useless as no two lines are the same. How can I convert one directory to UTF-8
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> ccolorado:  DOS vs Linux/Unix line feeds   theres unix2dos and dos2unix commands i recall...
[23:16] <rsser> Dr_Willis: what kind of  protocoll i should use?
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  depends on exactly what you mean by 'controll the note2'
[23:17] <rsser> magic or xdm?
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> I dont know what you are refering to  magic or xdm..
[23:17] <rsser> i will show you
[23:17] <ghostchick>  ccolorado convmv  as for the conversion, or  diff or meld
[23:18] <rsser> Dr_Willis: http://postimage.org/image/czpxcf7l1/
[23:19] <ccolorado> Dr_Willis: thanks
[23:19] <rsser> what options are they?
[23:19] <ccolorado> ghostchick: not following :S
[23:20] <rsser> remote x11  autentication protocol => should I use mit-magic-code or XDM-authorization-1?
[23:20] <rsser> Dr_Willis: ?
[23:21] <ollie_> I have two wireless cards on my laptop, one built in, one usb. I w
[23:21] <ollie_> It accomplishes what I need. Network Manager establishes the wireless connection on ath0 and no longer does anything with the internal card.
[23:21] <ollie_> wat
[23:21] <ollie_> i didnt type that second bit
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  x forwaring via Putty will do you NO good - if you do not have XMING installed on windows.
[23:22] <Steevca> Can we update from 12.04 to 12.10 Alpha 3 ?
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  for a  local lan, you are most likely better off just using VNC.
[23:22] <rsser> Dr_Willis: Now, I got it. I need xming installed on windows
[23:22] <ollie_> sorry, let me start again: I have two wireless cards, one internal, one usb. I'm trying to connect to a wifi network with one, and create a hotspot with the other, effectively a wireless repeater. However, network manager is refusing to distinguish between the two cards. How do I go about this?
[23:22] <Steevca> Or it has to be downloaded and installed ?
[23:22] <rsser> i'm on lan wireless
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> Steevca:  ask in #ubuntu+1 i imagine the answer is yes. ;)
[23:23] <Steevca> Dr_Willis: Sorry and thanks.
[23:24] <RomeoAva> Do you know when the Unity 3D will be ready?
[23:25] <jdmackley> How do I install 32bit OpenGL libraries?
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> Unity is allreayd 'unity 3d'
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> vs 'unity 2d' that does not use the 3d video card features..
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> !ic | ollie_
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> !ics
[23:27] <rsser> Dr_Willis: YOU ARE THE MASTER
[23:27] <rsser> Dr_Willis: thank you, it is working
[23:28] <OerHeks> !cookie | Dr_Willis
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> rsser:  im stll not even sure what you were trying to do.....
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[23:28] <rsser> i can open apps with gui
[23:28] <rsser> Dr_Willis: ok ok
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> not sure what you are doing.. :P
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> if the 2 pcs were right next to each other.. id just use Synergy ;P
[23:29] <bzzzz> everytime i look at this window, w4sp quit minutes before.
[23:30] <jdmackley> Can anyone help me install 32bit OpenGL libraries?
[23:46] <Fusion_> hi all is there away to install the defult Ubuntu 10.10 indicator-applets
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: are you using Maverick?
[23:48] <Fusion_> yes because 12.04 does not like my server as it has an older VGA card
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: Maverick is EOL
[23:48] <Fusion_> EOL?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: use Unity2D and you'll be ok, or use Xubuntu
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> !eol | Fusion_
[23:49] <Axsuul> This might be a lil vague.. but can anyone explain why sometimes I have to do.. cd /path/to/foo && bin/script arg1 arg2  vs. /path/to/foo/bin/script arg1 arg2 which doesn't work
[23:49] <Fusion_> yea that does not work as the mouse dissapears
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: its still not supported in any way anymore
[23:49] <Fusion_> so id i upgrade to 11.04 or 11.10 are they still with in there EOL
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Axsuul: maybe the pwd is important in the app
[23:50] <Berto> Hi - Can anyone recommend a guide to a flash plugin for Chrome and Ubuntu 12.04 that doesn't crash for nvidia users like crazy?
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: 11.04 is still supported until October this year
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: 11.10 has a fair bit of life in it
[23:50] <Fusion_> yes but it is Unity and then i have other issues like mouse and thins dissapearing
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Berto: the adobe one runs well under nvidia here
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: you don't have to use unity
[23:51] <Fusion_> no but even under gnomee which is what i install instead it loses the mous
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> Berto: can you give the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'       Thanks
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> Fusion_: tried Xubuntu, it looks and runs a lot like Gnome2
[23:52] <Fusion_> yes but i know and can run gnome
[23:52] <Berto> ActionParsnip, 3.2.0-27-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 6 14:25:57 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> Berto: if you use a pastebin it's neater


[02:31] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/rbsj-generalise/+merge/112684
[04:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz review?
[04:10] <wgrant> StevenK: Looks good
[04:12] <wgrant> Oh
[04:12] <wgrant> It's docutils
[04:12] <wgrant> That's why WADL generation is so slow.
[04:12] <wgrant> It passes all the docs through docutils
[04:12]  * wgrant headdesks
[04:12] <StevenK> Haha
[04:12] <StevenK> Trying to speed up make?
[04:25] <wgrant> Yeah
[04:25] <wgrant> Removing docutils speeds it up by about 80%
[04:26] <wgrant> But I don't think we can just stop docutilsing :(
[05:36] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1065497/
[05:40] <wgrant> StevenK: Good start, although it doesn't look liek it actually unsubs yet
[05:44] <StevenK> It does not, no.
[05:45] <StevenK> I need help with that bit, since RASJ.run() seems to use BTF for everything.
[05:45] <wgrant> cjwatson_: I don't quite understand the reason for the divergent paths in lib/lp/soyuz/scripts/packagecopier.py. Shouldn't it just be defaulting series to the one on the SPPH, with no other differences?
[05:47] <wgrant> StevenK: Right. Initially you could just loop through the branches and call Branch._checkBranchVisibleByUser. Once we redefine branch security in terms of the new access schema, we can migrate to something better.
[05:47] <wgrant> Using the slow awful APIs isn't so bad for branches, since there are very few private ones.
[05:51] <StevenK> wgrant: for branch in self.branches: for sub in branch.subscribers: branch._checkBranchVisibleByUser(sub) does not seem full of win and puppies.
[05:51] <StevenK> sub.person, but details
[05:53] <wgrant> Hmm
[05:53] <wgrant> So
[05:53] <wgrant> We need this for revocation from +sharing
[05:54] <wgrant> It is perhaps best to do this straight against the new access schema, since we'll hopefully have that populated early next week.
[05:55] <wgrant> StevenK: So you'll want to prepare this branch, using something almost identical to the BugTaskFlat query, but keep it on ice until all the garbo stuff is done next week
[05:55] <StevenK> wgrant: All I'm saying that is going to be slow and horrible. If it's going to be replaced after branch.access_grants is populated, then I withdraw my objection, since it should be shortlived.
[05:55] <wgrant> StevenK: But the job isn't actually useful until we're using branch.access_grants, so it can just use that frokm the start
[05:56] <StevenK> Right
[05:56] <StevenK> So I should land the branch.aag garbo job? :-)
[05:57] <wgrant> StevenK: Not until the unsubscribe fix is deployed everywhere
[05:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Which I wanted to deploy this morning and you told me to wait :-P
[05:59] <wgrant> StevenK: buildbot will be done in half an hour, you can deploy then :)
[05:59] <wgrant> If you had explained your reasoning for wanting to deploy urgently this morning, we could have.
[06:00] <StevenK> wgrant: I had forgotten the branch.unsubscribe fix was blocking the garbo job. :-(
[06:19] <StevenK> Right, buildbot done
[07:32] <StevenK> wgrant: Do we want to wait for Europeans to QA or polish off the QA?
[07:37] <jelmer> StevenK: jam and mgz seem to be quite keen on doing their own, to see what it's like
[07:46] <adeuring> good morning
[07:47] <StevenK> jelmer: Feel free. I'd like to deploy at least up to r15520
[07:51] <gmb> jam: http://oo00.eu/
[07:56] <jam> StevenK: so we qa'd are own, but the 15518 is currently blocked because the MP's I've tried to lookat are unable to load their diffs from the librarian
[08:11] <StevenK> jam: bzr di -r ? :-)
[08:12] <jam> StevenK: the issue is you can't load a page like: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/2.4_robust_logging_714449/+merge/84035
[08:12] <jam> because it thinks there was a diff generated for the MP
[08:12] <jam> which should be sitting in the librarian
[08:12] <jam> but the librarian id is for production
[08:13] <jam> and doesn't exist on qastaging
[08:13] <jam> so we're trying to force a new build
[08:13] <jam> (by pushing to an old branch, and then running the scanner jobs)
[08:16] <StevenK> jam: Right, so are you guys happy to beg gmb how to put up a deployment request?
[08:16] <jam> StevenK: that would be good for us, yes
[08:17] <StevenK> jam: I'm happy enough to do it as well -- but if gmb has it covered, that works for me.
[08:18] <jam> jam: I'd like to expose our team to it, though we may need a bit more guidance if there are bits that gmb is unclear on
[08:18] <gmb> StevenK, You assume I've ever done one; I haven't. Usually an Aussie has done the work before I come online :)
[08:18] <StevenK> Haha
[08:18] <StevenK> I'm happy to have a G+ hangout or something to walk all of you through it
[08:19] <gmb> StevenK, That sounds like a good idea.
[08:20] <StevenK> gmb: You're there in person, organise it and tell me where to be. :-)
[08:35] <cjwatson> wgrant: It seemed kind of strange to go through series.getSourcePackage(spn).latest_published_component when I could just use source.component.  And there are different numbers of checks needed in each case, too.  I tried consolidating the two branches but it wasn't clear that it actually made things any more readable.
[08:35] <cjwatson> wgrant: Is your concern purely style, or do you think I made a semantic mistake?
[08:51] <jam> StevenK: we've managed to QA up to 15520, so I think we're ready to chat about deployment. I think gmb is setting up the hangout now.
[08:55] <StevenK> jam: Okay, sounds excellent.
[08:55] <StevenK> gmb: Please use my personal G+ account
[08:56] <gmb> StevenK, We'll ping you a link in a sec... techofail happening atm.
[08:58] <gmb> StevenK, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1db0fa7779d1a1038578f306df3aa20ebf61a0be?authuser=0&hl=en-GB#
[09:02] <StevenK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1065642/
[09:04] <StevenK> https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/LaunchpadProductionStatus
[09:05] <StevenK> https://devpad.canonical.com/~wgrant/production-revnos
[09:35] <jam> stub: It looks like the last dump of production => staging was back in April (04-20?). Is there a specific process if we want to get newer data?
[09:35] <stub> jam: Yes, it was disabled and never reenabled after the disk space issue was worked around.
[09:36] <stub> jam: I left it disabled, as I was going to try the new rebuild process on the weekend.
[09:36] <stub> jam: I could do it now, but unfortunately the new rebuild needs to happen in place due to disk space limits, so staging will be offline for several hours while it works.
[09:36] <jam> stub: so it is likely to be re-enabled Soon (tm) ? (I don't need it urgently at all, I was just trying to understand the status)
[09:37] <stub> jam: Yes, I will run the script myself tomorrow and schedule it for weekly rebuilds on the weekend.
[09:37] <jam> sounds good
[10:47] <jam> stub: if we do fall back to the production librarian, can you help me debug things a bit?
[10:47] <jam> If I try to go to an old merge proposal, such as: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/2.4_robust_logging_714449/+merge/84465
[10:47] <jam> I get this oops: https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-106e5fe837de46e8a46356f148ecd888
[10:47] <jam> which looks like a librarian lookup failure
[10:50] <stub> jam: That is indeed a librarian lookup failure. So we need to work out why that isn't in the Librarian. I'll check the production db
[10:50] <stub> (faster than tracking down the traceback from the librarian)
[10:51] <jam> note, that wasn't the only merge proposal I tried, it happened on at least one other one.
[10:52] <jam> stub: I can see the entry in 'libraryfilealias' in staging at least.
[10:52] <stub> jam: It is there on production too
[10:54] <stub> jam: You need to check qastaging's config to confirm that indeed requests are being passed back to the production librarian, and get the oops from the librarian for that request (grepping for that integer id should work)
[10:54] <stub> This Librarian is oopsing now rather than spewing to a log file.
[10:56] <stub> c/This/I think that the/
[10:56] <jam> stub: would that be in launchpad-lazr.conf under 'librarian_server' ?
[10:56] <jam> because all I see is "launch: True"
[10:56] <stub> upstream_url or something
[10:57] <jam> ah, there is another page to look at (qastaging-lazr.conf)
[10:57] <jam> stub: upstream_host: launchpadlibrarian.net
[10:57] <stub> So it is supposed to work
[10:58] <stub> It might be restricted resources have a problem, qastaging librarian having troubles with the session database or something, but I would expect more fallout if that was the case.
[10:59] <jam> stub: is there an obvious way to turn a lfa.id into a URL?
[10:59] <jam> I tried poking at the code, but I also get a 404 when I go to the url I expected.
[10:59] <stub> You need the lfa and filename
[11:00] <jam> stub: which you get from 'SELECT id, filename FROM LibraryFileAlias where id = ....'
[11:01] <stub> def get_libraryfilealias_download_path(aliasID, filename):
[11:01] <stub>     """Download path for a given `LibraryFileAlias` id and filename."""
[11:01] <stub>     return '/%d/%s' % (int(aliasID), url_path_quote(filename))
[11:01] <jam> yeah, that is the one I tried
[11:01] <jam> stub: I wonder if the value in qastaging differs from the one in production?
[11:01] <stub> If it does, that would be a bug.
[11:03] <stub> I get a 404 too.
[11:03] <stub> So maybe the file never arrived on disk?
[11:04] <jam> stub: well if you go to the production page, it looks correct: https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/2.4_robust_logging_714449/+merge/84465
[11:04] <jam> but maybe the page has  a different diff now in prod
[11:04] <stub> yer, mebbe
[11:05] <stub> Is this one example of many, or is it a rare case?
[11:05] <jam> stub: I tried 2-3 mp's and all of them failed in a similar way
[11:07] <jam> stub: if I go to: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/bzr/+activereviews
[11:07] <jam> all of the links off of there seem to fail with lookup error
[11:08] <jam> stub: having tried 6 of them
[11:08] <jam> stub: and all of them fail for https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews as well
[11:09] <jam> (one succeeds, but because it doesn't have a diff to show.)
[11:09] <jam> I'm off to lunch for now.
[11:09] <jam> but it is definitely systematically broken
[11:12] <stub> jam: I'm thinking that the file exists on production, but you don't have access to it there so are getting a 404.
[11:14] <stub> jam: I'm not sure if in this case your permissions on production or your permissions on qastaging are in effect.
[11:15] <stub> jam: If a MP has been superseded, then perhaps the old one is no longer visible to anyone? So a superseded diff on production will always return 404?
[12:24] <jam> https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-00746fbd7a0bd9d6b5273c8342091655
[12:24] <jam> jelmer: ^^
[12:54] <jelmer> gmb: lp:~jelmer/launchpad/skip-the-skips
[12:57] <jelmer> gmb: lp:~jelmer/launchpad/skip-the-skips
[13:16] <jcsackett> jelmer: saw your updates on the bzr update branch. r=me, and thanks for the answers.
[13:26] <jelmer> jcsackett: thanks!
[13:29] <czajkowski> jcsackett: sorry I didnt put you down for holidays, I go by whats on the admin in case folks are doing a swap day
[13:35] <deryck> adeuring, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/355d337a416990bcc886b192858066f0198beb37?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:54] <jcsackett> czajkowski: i forget there are holidays. :-P
[13:54] <czajkowski> well indeeed but some people use them for swap days
[13:54] <jcsackett> so no worries at all. :-)
[13:55] <jcsackett> czajkowski: yeah--what your doing makes sense. those of us who forget to list the holiday can always reply to the staffing email with corrections.
[13:55] <jcsackett> ...or our bosses can. :-P
[13:55] <czajkowski> jcsackett: indeed
[13:56] <jcsackett> sorry if my forgetfulness causes you any problems.
[14:03] <czajkowski> jcsackett: no none at all
[14:04] <czajkowski> just dont want you thinking I'm slacking or forgetting you either
[14:07] <jelmer> mgz: pqm_email = Canonical PQM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:18] <mgz> wgrant: I am a tool, my apologies
[14:20] <jcsackett> czajkowski: the thought never crossed my mind. :-)
[14:22] <wgrant> cjwatson: I believe it's a semantic mistake. You're using the source component, when the permission check should be on the target.
[14:22] <wgrant> Shouldn't it?
[14:23] <wgrant> jam: Restricted librarian files aren't proxied back from production, so you can't really view old MPs on staging
[14:25] <cjwatson> wgrant: If that's so, then the current code is buggy too, because it gets the most recently published component for the series regardless of which archive it's in
[14:26] <cjwatson> *for the source package in the distroseries
[14:27] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yes, but a lot of code is crap, so it's not inconceivable.
[14:27] <cjwatson> Well, yes, but it makes it hard to tell whether I'm making things any worse.
[14:27] <wgrant> It would never really be noticed, since non-distro archives only publish in main.
[14:27] <wgrant> mgz: What did you do?
[14:28] <cjwatson> So what's the right fix?  Explicitly look up the latest published component in the target archive, but what if it isn't in the target archive at all yet?
[14:29] <wgrant> There's rules for that already in archiveuploader.
[14:29] <wgrant> strict_component exists for that reason
[14:29] <wgrant> IIRC it tries with the source component and strict_component=True
[14:30] <wgrant> If there is no source component, it tries with strict_component=False
[14:30] <wgrant> To allow any component uploader to upload a new package
[14:30] <wgrant> IIRC
[14:30] <cjwatson> Dear nascentupload, thanks for not explicitly tagging when you pass a keyword argument so that I can't grep for it.
[14:31] <cjwatson> But OK, that's similar to what half of check_copy_permissions is doing then.
[14:31] <wgrant> Keyword-only arguments cannot come soon enough :)
[14:32] <wgrant> I haven't actually read check_copy_permissions
[14:32] <wgrant> I possibly should
[14:33] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[14:34] <gmb> jam, jelmer, vila, mgz, gary_poster: Behold: Python 2.7 parallel testing without an unknown worker (all the problem tests have been nuked for now; a proper fix is coming).
[14:34] <wgrant> So the version before your branch is correct, apart from the fact that latest_published_component only considers distro archives, which won't be a problem in practice, but we should probably fix.
[14:34] <gmb> http://ec2-184-72-186-58.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/2
[14:34] <vila> gmb: \o/
[14:34] <gary_poster> sweet, gmb!  congrats and thanks!
[14:35] <gmb> gary_poster, Welcome. Actually, much kudos must go to the Blue Squad and their genetic subunit parsing abilities.
[14:35] <wgrant> 20 workers? Madness.
[14:35] <gmb> Sparta.
[14:35] <gary_poster> heh
[14:35] <gary_poster> yay blue squad! :-)
[14:38] <mgz> wgrant: read bug 692357 then filed bug 1018905 when we were fixing it anyway
[14:38] <_mup_> Bug #692357: lib/canonical/lazr/doc/timeout.txt hangs on Python 2.7 <python-upgrade> <tech-debt> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/692357 >
[14:38] <_mup_> Bug #1018905: lp/services/doc/timeout.txt hangs in Python 2.7 <python-upgrade> <qa-untestable> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by jameinel> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018905 >
[14:38] <mgz> and lo, even named the bug (nearly) identically
[14:43] <wgrant> mgz: Ah, yeah, I thought I'd filed that one.
[14:52] <cjwatson> wgrant: OK, I'll see about fixing that today then.  Relatedly, do you think I might be able to try turning soyuz.derived_series.max_synchronous_syncs back down to something smallish and turning on soyuz.copypackageppa.enabled, both on dogfood, so that I can see how it behaves with current code?
[14:53] <cjwatson> I think I know of two bugs right now: private->public copying isn't hooked up on the copy_asynchronous path, and I'm fairly sure that failed copy notification is about 95% implemented but doesn't entirely work.
[14:53] <wgrant> cjwatson: Sure, that's fine on DF
[14:53] <wgrant> cjwatson: It's never been tested to any significant extent, however.
[14:53] <wgrant> So be prepared for spectacular fireworks.
[14:54] <cjwatson> Any particular suggestions on exercising it?  I found the latter bug while experimenting with the test suite ...
[14:54] <cjwatson> The actual copies themselves should be much the same as Archive.copyPackage, it's the UI glue that's probably broken
[14:54] <cjwatson> AFAICS
[14:55] <wgrant> Yeah, probably.
[14:55] <cjwatson> I have a branch that deletes synchronous copies and that passes tests.  So I want to know what I'm missing :-)
[14:57] <cjwatson> I note also that at the moment +copy-packages will copy from private to public PPAs using delayed copies without (AFAICT) any particular explicit confirmation, at least if I'm reading the code correctly.  Is this by design?
[14:57] <cjwatson> (Because if it is then I can just add unembargo=True to fix the first bug I mentioned above.)
[15:02] <jam> cjwatson: I see you are stealing all the low-hanging LoC for yourself :)
[15:03] <cjwatson> I reckoned that if nobody had noticed in four years it couldn't have been *that* low-hanging
[15:05] <cjwatson> wgrant: Did my work on https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/custom-uefi/+merge/111626 to use publisher configuration instead of lazr config look sensible to you?
[15:25] <sinzui> rick_h_, deryck, jcsackett: I located the madness in choicesource tabbing. There was a handler setting the close button to have focus when the overlay had focus...the overlay is modal, it always has focus when visible
[15:27] <sinzui> rick_h_, deryck, jcsackett: I have a plan so clever you could stuff it down your pants can call it a weasel. I wrote a handler to watch what was happening, then adapted it to make tabs cycle through the actions...you cannot tab out of the overlay. I can push this down to pretty overlay so that you cannot accidentally tab out of any overlay.
[15:29] <deryck> sinzui, why not just remove the bit that calls focus to the close button?
[15:29] <sinzui> I did
[15:30] <sinzui> deryck, once to tab or shift tab out of a modal overlay, the focus is lost.
[15:30] <sinzui> chromium changed the focus to the location bar
[15:30] <deryck> sinzui, ok, rick_h_ and I are on a call together now.  we can chat more in a second about it.
[15:30] <deryck> sinzui, ah, that's what I would expect.
[15:38] <mgz> any ideas why I'm missing /var/tmp/mailman after doing normal launchpad install steps, have some failing test due to that which aren't 2.7 related
[15:47] <jam> Have a good weekend, everyone!
[15:48] <czajkowski> jam: toodles
[16:07] <gmb> jam, jelmer, mgz, vila: The build failed... with only one failed test. http://ec2-184-72-186-58.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/2/steps/shell_9/logs/summary
[16:08] <gmb> But
[16:08] <gmb> There were only ~2300 tests.
[16:08] <gmb> Which means we're missing ~15,000 tests.
[16:08] <gmb> Somewhere...
[16:09] <sinzui> mgz, are these timeouts on doctests?
[16:10] <sinzui> mgz we disabled the MailmanLayer because a few doctests are fundamentally flawed. They always timeout.
[18:47] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/fix-check-copy-permissions/+merge/112832 - does this look better?
[21:35] <jelmer> gmb: that bug was the one that vincent fixed earlier
[21:35] <jelmer> gmb: s/that bug/that failure/
[21:58] <czajkowski> evening


[01:53] <jdm> ola
[01:53] <ObrienDave> !es
[02:05] <SonikkuAmerica> ObrienDave: Were you planning on speaking Spanish here?
[02:09] <ObrienDave> only if you understand taco, burrito, enchilada and frijole ;P
[02:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Entiendo más de solamente estas palabras
[02:18] <ObrienDave> no, i'm serious, taco, burrito, enchilada and frijole is ALL I understand of spanish ROFL
[02:21] <SonikkuAmerica> LMBO
[02:22] <ObrienDave> oh, yea. carne asada and carnitas works also LOL
[02:22] <SonikkuAmerica> ObrienDave: Big Unit193 is watching us !ot in here :3
[02:23] <ObrienDave> ahh, he'll get over it ;P
[02:23] <SonikkuAmerica> :P
[02:26] <batzy> Hey guys I'm havin a little issue
[02:26] <batzy> I plugged in an hdmi monitor on my xubuntu machine and uhhh
[02:27] <batzy> when i set the monitor to the external
[02:27] <batzy> the screen got a bunch of black boxes and such
[02:27] <batzy> so i restarted the machine and now the session wont load
[02:27] <batzy> im not really sure how to fix it
[02:29] <ObrienDave> i have no idea how to fix that either. stick around a bit, someone will know
[02:30] <batzy> Yeah, I'm just really looking for a way to reset to the default screen
[02:30] <batzy> i think i might know of a way actually if i can get to the shell
[02:30] <ObrienDave> i think alt-F1 will get you a shell
[02:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[02:31] <ObrienDave> ok, ok PFFFFFFFT ;P
[02:32] <batzy> yeah i did that
[02:32] <batzy> but like i cant find how to reset the screen here sec ill look it up
[02:33] <ObrienDave> you might ask in main channel. bunches more people there
[02:34] <batzy> ?
[02:34] <batzy> main channel?
[02:34] <batzy> whats the main channel
[02:34] <ObrienDave> #ubuntu
[02:35] <ObrienDave> the main difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu is the DE. Desktop Environment. they are fundamentally the same
[02:37] <ObrienDave> all of the ?buntu versions share the same core
[02:37] <batzy> Yeah i know that
[02:37] <batzy> i usually just get shit though when i do that
[02:39] <ObrienDave> yea, they do tend to get a bit touchy. and some will get touchy about the language here as well ;) LMAO
[02:39] <SonikkuAmerica> !language | AHHHH I JUST HEARD A BAD WORD :<
[02:40] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[02:40] <batzy> ^ just told me to ask in xubuntu
[02:40] <batzy> rofl
[02:40] <ObrienDave> don't mind SonikkuAmerica, he's one of the good guys. OH? he WAS one of the good guys ;)
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Ohoho
[02:41] <batzy> you guys know each other well eh
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> batzy: HDMI is a little tricky in Xubuntu... first thing I might have you do is disconnect your screen...
[02:42]  * SonikkuAmerica drags Unit193 in by the ear into this conversation
[02:42] <Unit193> !ot | SonikkuAmerica
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: Well, actually, if you could tag-team us here, that would be great - we have an HDMI problem in the house.
[02:43] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica: yes im just trying to get back to my default laptop screen
[02:43] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica: i dont care if the hdmi works or not
[02:43] <batzy> but right now its trying to load the hdmi automatically and it isnt working
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> batzy: Did you disconnect your screen now?
[02:43] <batzy> the hdmi screen yeah?
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> So it's disconnected now.
[02:44] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Fixed the session won't login issue?
[02:44] <batzy> yes
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: Huh?
[02:44] <batzy> xfce wont start on my user now SonikkuAmerica
[02:44] <batzy> with my normal screen
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> batzy: Does it loop back to the lightdm login?
[02:45] <batzy> no
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> What does it do?
[02:45] <batzy> it's just hung up and frozen, no mouse even
[02:45] <batzy> i believe its because i set the default screen for this user to the hdmi monitor
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> batzy: Can you Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[02:45] <batzy> yep
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Log into the terminal, then type [ sudo service lightdm restart ]
[02:46] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica: a quick other detail. When i login the screen flashes black and then all it is is the wallpaper and it hangs up
[02:46] <SonikkuAmerica> (It should switch into the GUI
[02:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Just do what I say for now and report your findings.
[02:46] <batzy> yes it did
[02:47] <batzy> okay im at the GUI
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> At the login?
[02:47] <batzy> yes
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> The heck? Did I get kicked?
[02:48] <batzy> we;cp,e nacl
[02:48] <batzy> nah it said you left
[02:49] <batzy> welcome back*
[02:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Did it say "requested by"?
[02:49] <SonikkuAmerica> And thx
[02:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Anyway... what happened when you logged in?
[02:50] <batzy> uhhh
[02:50] <batzy> the screen goes black
[02:50] <SonikkuAmerica> And dies a horrible death?
[02:50] <batzy> it's just...black
[02:50] <batzy> i mean i can tell you why
[02:50] <batzy> it's because it's looking for that hdmi monitor
[02:51] <batzy> i just need to reset the default monitor for this user
[02:51] <batzy> but im not familiar with what CLI utilities can do that
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Try [ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ]
[02:54] <batzy> what does that do
[02:54] <ObrienDave> reconfigures the xserver
[02:54] <batzy> kk
[02:54] <batzy> i typed it in
[02:54] <batzy> hold on one sec
[02:54] <ObrienDave> your display
[02:55] <SonikkuAmerica> You may want to restart lightdm after that too
[02:55] <batzy> k the screen flashed black
[02:55] <batzy> the back wallpaper is up...
[02:55] <batzy> annddd nothing
[02:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Right-click?
[02:55] <batzy> nope. there's no cursor either
[02:56] <SonikkuAmerica> can you pastebin the output of /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? (Install pastebinit first)
[02:56] <batzy> yeah whats the syntax for pastebinit
[02:56]  * ObrienDave suggests hooking HDMI back up and seeing if you can turn it off from there
[02:56] <batzy> wait hold on im just gonna connect to irc on that my sachine
[02:56] <batzy> ObrienDave: no
[02:56] <ObrienDave> ok
[02:57] <batzy> the screen got a buncha black squares and such
[02:57] <batzy> wasnt pretty
[02:57] <ObrienDave> ok, gotcha
[02:57] <batzy> alright ill be right back
[02:58] <batzy> Alrighty
[02:58] <batzy> what did you lot want me to do again?
[02:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Reconnect your HDMI monitor, black squares and all, and see if you can turn off the screen from there.
[02:59] <batzy> No like
[02:59] <batzy> It didnt' load like that
[02:59] <batzy> it freezes
[02:59] <batzy> you wanted what file again?
[02:59] <SonikkuAmerica> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:59] <ObrienDave> what about xrandr?
[03:00] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica: it doesn't exist :o
[03:00] <SonikkuAmerica> You don't have an xorg.conf file?! :o
[03:00] <batzy> no I guess not.
[03:00] <batzy> Not there at least
[03:01] <SonikkuAmerica> You could try Super+T, then [ xrandr -s 800x600 ] first
[03:01] <batzy> Super?
[03:01] <batzy> wat
[03:01] <batzy> WHATS THE SUPER BUTTON
[03:01] <SonikkuAmerica> If that doesn't work, [ xrandr -s 1024x768 ]
[03:02] <SonikkuAmerica> The one with the Windows logo on it
[03:02] <SonikkuAmerica> (usually)
[03:02] <batzy> and where do i want to press super t?
[03:02] <SonikkuAmerica> (1) Ctrl+Alt+F7 (2) Super+T (3) [ xrandr -s 1024x768 ] <ENTER>
[03:03] <batzy> is something supposed to show up when i press super t?
[03:03] <batzy> cuz like
[03:03] <batzy> the screen is just black over there
[03:03] <ObrienDave> yres, you should get a terminal screen
[03:03] <ObrienDave> *yes
[03:04] <batzy> nah, thats not working
[03:04] <batzy> it doesnt do anything
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> batzy: Does something appear in the garbled portion of the screen?
[03:04] <batzy> it's odd though because i can login on my guest account too
[03:04] <batzy> nope
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> You see this is where the one hundred and ninety-third unit could step in if he's around.
[03:06] <batzy> ?
[03:06] <batzy> and yeah the guest account works perfectly..
[03:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Try this: Hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in (if you aren't already) and run [ rm -rf ~/.Xauthority ] , then restart lightdm.
[03:11] <batzy> k
[03:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Any luck?
[03:12] <batzy> noope
[03:12] <batzy> it dims my screen tho lol
[03:12] <ObrienDave> dang
[03:13] <batzy> :(
[03:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Maybe doge'ing about it would help.
[03:13] <Unit193> No.
[03:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I'm outta ideas. :(
[03:13] <batzy> doge?
[03:14] <SonikkuAmerica> I won't explain that here, Unit193 hates it.
[03:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Also it's !ot
[03:14] <batzy> okkk so what now
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Google? (I already did, your sitch seems to be a common problem)
[03:15] <batzy> If it's common how come there's no way to fix it..
[03:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you using a proprietary driver?
[03:17] <batzy> uhh
[03:17] <batzy> just the intel one
[03:17] <batzy> idk? no i guess not
[03:17] <SonikkuAmerica> xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[03:18] <batzy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6632307/
[03:18] <batzy> idk if that will tell you anything, i didnt look at it
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Probably, if you have Intel HD graphics. Without your /etc/X11/Xorg.conf I can't tell.
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> (We're kind of at an impasse without it)
[03:19] <batzy> i have intel hd
[03:20] <batzy> when i do xrandr --prop it says 'cant open display'
[03:21] <batzy> dfl
[03:21] <batzy> sd
[03:21] <batzy> ad
[03:22] <batzy> bye
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> r3
[03:22] <SonikkuAmerica> >sigh< -1 for me
[03:25] <ObrienDave> wow
[03:25] <ObrienDave> he just *poof* like that?
[03:27] <ObrienDave> well, dang. me thinks me need some sleep. c ya
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> bai
[04:19] <batzy> SonikkuAmerica, I fixed it
[04:37] <jdm> I remember using Kubuntu and Ubuntu live DVD/CD/USB's
[04:37] <jdm> and something worked on the Ubuntu liveCD but it didnt work on Kubuntu
[04:37] <jdm> which is why i wanted to try out Xubuntu first
[04:37] <jdm> im back in windows 7 now
[04:38] <jdm> it is using 1.7GB of RAM
[04:38] <jdm> and i have xchat and pidgin open and that's it
[04:39] <batzy> I used to use Arch
[04:39] <batzy> Then I went to Gentoo, and now I'm on Xubuntu
[04:42] <jdm> ive used almost all of them
[04:42] <jdm> but i havent used linux on the desktop in years
[04:42] <jdm> i started out on Slackware and Mandrake Linux
[04:54] <holstein> jgm: its more likely different versions. like, ubuntu 12.04 "worked" and kubuntu 13.10 "didnt work"
[04:54] <holstein> jgm: the kernels and the software support are much the same..
[10:33] <ObrienDave> Merry Krishna, Bah Humbug, and all that ;P
[10:57] <Guest28236> hola!!
[10:57] <Guest28236> hello?
[10:57] <Guest28236> someone here??
[10:58] <ObrienDave> nope
[10:58] <batzy> Yes Guest28236
[10:58] <batzy> I am here
[10:58] <Guest28236> hello!!
[10:58] <batzy> Hi.
[10:58] <Guest28236> I have a problem with the card sound
[10:58] <Guest28236> is the integrated ac97
[10:59] <Guest28236> doesnt work
[10:59] <batzy> great.
[10:59] <batzy> 'doesnt work'
[10:59] <Guest28236> motherboard gigabyte ga7va
[10:59] <batzy> did it ever work?
[10:59] <batzy> what audio driver you have? is that card supported?
[11:00] <Guest28236> I think that yes
[11:00] <Guest28236> the update solves the problem??
[11:00] <Guest28236> I have xubuntu 13.10, new installation
[11:06] <Guest28236> what is the best format for xubuntu (old machine 2004) , ext2 ext3 or ext4 or other??
[11:06] <cfhowlett> ext4 is the default and works for most everyone ...
[11:09] <Guest28236> ok thacks
[11:10] <Guest28236> thanks
[12:32] <jonas_VLC> hi again!!
[12:32] <jonas_VLC> the sound works
[12:33] <jonas_VLC> but, mmm the botton of control sound dont works
[12:33] <jonas_VLC> only this
[12:33] <jonas_VLC> all ok
[12:33] <jonas_VLC> xbmc is great for this version!!!
[12:34] <jonas_VLC> bye!!
[13:13] <brihat> Some application started to write into the log file upstart/startxfce4.log, that my /home partition run out of space. Is there a way to limit the file size of that log file?
[13:13] <cfhowlett> brihat, great question!  IDK the answer though.  if no answer here, try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[16:54] <popsch> hi. I can't mount a usb drive. I already gave my account the permissions under system -> users -> permissions
[16:55] <popsch> I can see the drive in thunar, but when I click on it, it says 'not authorized'
[16:55] <popsch> I can mount it as root, but my parents won't understand doing this all the time
[17:00] <bazhang> put it in fstab?
[17:02] <popsch> bazhang, but it's always a different sdX, depending on how many other drives are attached
[17:02] <bazhang> how many are we talking
[17:03] <popsch> I don't know how many they will plug in, and as usual with parents, they're computer illiterate and short tempered
[17:03] <bazhang> and is this a usb hdd, or a usb stick
[17:03] <popsch> it's a camera
[17:03] <popsch> but lsusb lists it as a card reader (sdc at the moment)
[17:03] <bazhang> !find gmtp
[17:04] <bazhang> some cameras can be read as media storage devices
[17:04] <bazhang> check it's set that way
[17:04] <popsch> hm. but I can mount it via mount /dev/sdc
[17:04] <bazhang> installing gmtp may help as well
[17:04] <popsch> it's also visible in Thunar
[17:05] <popsch> as a mountable drive. there's somewhere a quirk in the permission system
[17:05] <bazhang> highly doubtful
[17:06] <popsch> beats me. I just rebooted and it automounted the drive
[17:06] <bazhang> sounds like an unclean removal tbh
[17:06] <popsch> I installed usbmount, because I read that ubuntu-based servers need it
[17:07] <popsch> the system is based on xubuntu, but I thought, better give it a try
[17:07] <bazhang> and your parents are going to working with a server?
[17:08] <bazhang> not sure what "based on xubuntu" means there
[17:08] <bazhang> a server has no gui
[17:08] <popsch> no, it's a desktop-based xubuntu
[17:08] <popsch> I just installed it, because I thought it might help
[17:08] <popsch> and it did
[17:08] <bazhang> xubuntu is gui, ie desktop
[17:09] <popsch> bazhang, no, I meant I installed the system from a xubuntu install image
[17:09] <popsch> so it's ubuntu + xfce
[17:09] <bazhang> did you mean a distro not actually xubuntu, but based on it?
[17:09] <popsch> I mean the distro
[17:09] <bazhang> so ubuntu and xubuntu-desktop or the like
[17:10] <popsch> correct
[17:10] <bazhang> thats still ubuntu
[17:10] <tnwnsf> does xubuntu 12.04 have pulseaudio working by default ?
[17:10] <bazhang> as is kubuntu, lubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntustudio, and uh
[17:10] <brainwash> tnwnsf: yes it does
[17:11] <popsch> bazhang, thanks for the responses. it turns out that my install was missing pmount + usbmount
[17:11] <bazhang> ok
[17:11] <tnwnsf> brainwash, does adjusting the audio in applications change the system-level output ?
[17:12] <tnwnsf> master-level*
[17:12] <brainwash> depends
[17:12] <bazhang> which apps tnwnsf
[17:12] <popsch> tnwnsf, I think if it's the only application then yes, otherwise no
[17:12] <popsch> I meant that if only one application is running, then it affects the master-level, otherwise it does not
[17:12] <tnwnsf> well vlc on debian is retarded, wheneever i change the volume it changes the master-volume as well
[17:13] <bazhang> never seen that happen
[17:13] <tnwnsf> so i'm hoping xubuntu doesn't do it
[17:13] <tnwnsf> bazhang, i've been banging my head trying to figure it out. it's retarded and annoying
[17:13] <bazhang> of course, vlc goes above 100% for volume, so who knows
[17:14] <tnwnsf> bazhang, even if i adjust audio lower than 100% it adjust master as well
[17:14] <bazhang> sounds like a bug then tnwnsf
[17:14] <bazhang> does mplayer do this on your system as well?
[17:15] <popsch> tnwnsf, I just tested it
[17:15] <popsch> tnwnsf, if you crank up the volume in vlc beyond the master-level, then vlc will increase the master-level
[17:15] <bazhang> heh
[17:15] <popsch> if you then decrease the volume, the master-level will stay where it is and just the application-specific level will decrease
[17:16] <tnwnsf> let me switch over to xfce, just a sec
[17:16] <popsch> so: app-level 10, master level 15; you crank up the volume to max: app-level 100, master level 100; you decrease the volume: appl-level 50, master level 100
[17:16] <bazhang> he quit
[17:20] <tnwnsf> popsch, try just adjusting volume down, the master is also reduced
[17:20] <bazhang> so: app-level 10, master level 15; you crank up the volume to max: app-level 100, master level 100; you decrease the volume: appl-level 50, master level 100 tnwnsf
[17:21] <bazhang> what he posted right after you quit
[17:21] <tnwnsf> bazhang, yeap
[17:22] <us_0gb> That's lame. Most sound applications have a separate volume level where <application sound> * <system sound> == <actual output>.
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> In case y'all hadn't noticed - it's /Christmas - have a good onne folks. ;)
[20:19] <conor> hey
[20:19] <conor> Having trouble with terminal colors / zsh
[20:20] <conor> http://i.imgur.com/2jsy5tB.png
[20:21] <conor> for some reason the arrow shows up as green
[20:21] <conor> when it's supposed to be red
[20:24] <Meerkat> conor, 3 of them look red. in the middle
[20:25] <conor> Meerkat: So, it stays red if I do something wrong ... like try to cd into a non-exisitant directory
[20:26] <conor> This is probably more of a zsh question rather than a xbuntu question come to think of it
[20:28] <brainwash> conor: yes, you better ask in #zsh :)
[21:05] <mortrevere_> Hi all
[21:06] <mortrevere_> Is this the right channel for Xubuntu support ?
[21:06] <Meerkat> yes
[21:07] <Meerkat> bienvenue
[21:08] <mortrevere_> Great ! So here's the problem : i just got my vaio pro 13 for xmas (really nice machine btw), but it came with Win 8 preinstalled ... I'm a big xubuntu fan since 2 years and wanted to install it (alone, not alongside win 8)
[21:09] <mortrevere_> So i proceeded to the installation, everything went fine and the system seems to be installed, but i am unable to boot on it at all
[21:10] <mortrevere_> When i power up the computer, i get the VAIO splash screen, then it goes black, same splash screen again, and then "Your VAIO computer was unable to start windows" (oh, no shit, I wiped the disk twice ...)
[21:11] <Meerkat> when you installed xubuntu did you check to make sure you overwrote all partitions of the drive?
[21:11] <TheSheep> mortrevere_: make sure you have secure boot disabled in bios
[21:11] <mortrevere_> As this has never happened to me with previous installations I was wondering if some issues were known about installing in UEFI and all ? (since it's the first time i'm trying to install on this, i always did it on regular BIOS machines)
[21:11] <Meerkat> win8 seem to have several partitions, some which are only used to boot for windows8.
[21:11] <mortrevere_> TheSheep: done
[21:12] <mortrevere_> i'm struggling with this since this morning actually
[21:12] <mortrevere_> Meerkat: I deleted all partitions and created new ones for xubuntu
[21:13] <mortrevere_> So ... windows should have disappeared right ? Why is the UEFI trying to boot on it ?
[21:14] <TheSheep> they probably just used the word 'windows' in the message instead of 'system'
[21:14] <mortrevere_> (i tried everything from boot-repair to replacing .efi file on /boot by hand ... getting kinda stuck here)
[21:15] <mortrevere_> TheSheep: yeah probably
[21:15] <TheSheep> if all else fails, you could ask the Sony support, after all they got money for it
[21:16] <TheSheep> just don't let them say that they don't support linux, this is not a problem with linux
[21:16] <mortrevere_> that's right, do you think they support linux installations ? (i don't really wan't to call to hear "just reinstall windows" as a solution)
[21:16] <TheSheep> linux didn't even boot yet
[21:17] <Meerkat> mortrevere_, did you to an advanced install or just pretty much click next all the way through when installing Xubuntu?
[21:17] <Meerkat> if advanced, try a normal "easy" install and see if that boots.
[21:17] <TheSheep> I wish this was true: http://xkcd.com/806/
[21:17] <mortrevere_> Meerkat: during the day I installed the thing about 6 times, advanced and basic, nothing works
[21:19] <Meerkat> mortrevere_, does it say anything about missing boot device?
[21:19] <mortrevere_> TheSheep: i'll try the "shibboleet" thing then, i guess ...
[21:19] <ozberk> hi guys
[21:19] <Meerkat> ...when booting
[21:20] <TheSheep> mortrevere_: good luck
[21:20] <mortrevere_> Meerkat: "system couldn't be found"
[21:20] <TheSheep> mortrevere_: oh, I assume you googled your laptop's make and model with 'ubuntu' already
[21:21] <ozberk> I need some help with that  http://u1312.hizliresim.com/1j/t/vw81k.png   I installed the xfce4-mixer but the icon on the pannel is so big how can I change it
[21:21] <TheSheep> ozberk: I'm not sure you can
[21:22] <TheSheep> ozberk: I mean, not easily
[21:22] <Meerkat> mortrevere_, in bios boot options, can you see the hard drive or an entry named "ubuntu"?
[21:22] <ozberk> TheShepp I would like to use standart pluseaudio applet but it is not work
[21:22] <mortrevere_> TheSheep: let's say that half of the google page for "Vaio pro 13 ubuntu" is purple :(
[21:23] <mortrevere_> Meerkat: the thing is that there are only 2 things in the boot options : external device (USB) or Internal SSD
[21:23] <mortrevere_> oh well i found something else http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeNTtn231cU
[21:24] <TheSheep> mortrevere_: it's not here? http://www.linlap.com/sony
[21:24] <mortrevere_> looks like a solution ?
[21:24] <mortrevere_> TheSheep: no
[21:24] <TheSheep> well, at least you know it works for somebody
[21:25] <uBUXUBu> merry christmas
[21:25] <mortrevere_> yeah, i was thinking it may be impossible
[21:25] <mortrevere_> (which is very unlikely but who knows what's happening with secure boot and windows 8)
[21:25] <TheSheep> mortrevere_: so did you try http://askubuntu.com/questions/360285/13-10-on-vaio-pro-with-uefi ?
[21:26] <mortrevere_> yep that's one of this first things i tried
[21:27] <Meerkat> mortrevere_, does it have a cd drive?
[21:28] <Meerkat> odd question, I know. It's just that I had massive problems with booting a computer that I installed via a USB memory stick.
[21:30] <mortrevere_> no cd drive, the thing is to thin ahah
[21:30] <mortrevere_> a real mac book air, 2000€ cheaper
[21:31] <mortrevere_> i'm gonna try the method of the guy from the video
[22:11] <mortrevere_> ok i gave up on installing in UEFI mode, works like a charm in Legacy mode !
[22:11] <mortrevere_> too bad but ...
[22:11] <mortrevere_> thanks everybody
[22:11] <TheSheep> too bad
[22:12] <TheSheep> but yeah, it's important that it works
[22:12] <TheSheep> and kudos for getting rid of windows :)