[04:40] <TerrencePickles> I have an old desktop that I'm trying to set up as a samba file server. It's not hooked up to a monitor/keyboard, but I have it set up so that I can ssh into it. I believe that it
[04:40] <TerrencePickles> I keep getting kicked off though. I'm wondering if it's entering some sort of rest mode. Does anyone know how I would check that and how to disable?
[04:45] <guiverc> TerrencePickles, if it's used remotely as a file server (esp. headless), are you asking about Ubuntu Server?
[04:47] <TerrencePickles> I'm using lubuntu 20.04.01
[04:48] <TerrencePickles> Desktop.
[04:54] <guiverc> why not ask on #lubuntu the.  I'd not waste resources on desktop & just use server.  if using a desktop, you'll need to change power settings, desktop settings to match a server config though (desktops save energy, servers are built for data throughput & always functional)
[04:55] <guiverc> s/the/then
[04:55] <guiverc> ask in #lubuntu or #ubuntu (official flavors can use #ubuntu too)
[11:23] <ilias_gr> hi all. I updated today my system (18.04) through terminal. After update was completed I run: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge but system returned: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SSNWsfSgpv/. The same output system now returns when I run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Any help to overrid this error?
[11:34] <ilias_gr> I purged "install-info" and now system returns no error.
[11:56] <user72> hi! I have asked in the past about a video streaming problem. Sometimes when I play a video, the video stops and the video just keeps loading. After closing all browsers I notice that all streaming video is stuck (as in loading forever) even if I use another streaming service (like vimeo). At the same time every non-video streaming site works fine
[11:56] <user72> (speed). It now happened again. Last time the suggestion was to run ping. The results don't reveal a network problem https://pastebin.com/G8PFAbvX
[11:57] <user72> I have no idea where to start looking to debug this problem
[11:57] <user72> PS playing local videos works fine
[12:02] <Maik> user72: i responded to you but you never answered and left
[12:03] <user72> Maik I apologize. Is there a searchable log? Otherwise if it's not too much of a trouble and you recall the answer would it be possible to repeat it?
[12:06] <Maik> no problem there are logs over at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com if you know the date when it was psoted. But i'll pastebin it for you. Hold on.
[12:07] <Maik> user72: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sfTXyYtT3S/
[12:08] <Maik> not sure if it's helpfull and i didn't have time to investigated further
[12:09] <user72> amazing thanks, let me take a look. PS I have this issue on a high end laptop and the internet connection is most of the time very good. viedoconferencing, audio streaming, downloading works as expected when I experience the problem
[12:12] <Maik> user72: using wifi?
[12:12] <Maik> or cable?
[12:13] <Maik> also, if it's a shared network you're on and others are streaming, downloading or whatever, you'll never get the full speed iirc.
[12:31] <user72> it's cable and not a shared network, only 1 computer
[12:55] <user72> Maik FYI the main advice from the article, ie disable hardware acceleration didn't have any effect on the problem :(  I believe that the rest of the advice (drivers) are windows specific and can't help anyway
[13:01] <Maik> ah, bummer...
[13:02] <Maik> user72: i don't know either then. Sorry if i can't be of any more help.
[13:23] <user72> Maik many thanks anyway. PS any wild pointers would be useful, as I really don't know where to start looking look at :/
[13:28] <Maik> search for that message youtube is pointing out, that's all you could do i guess
[13:29] <gnrp> user72: Maybe going to one of the parties involved will give you more debugging competence anyway. E.g., check for firefox bugs or so and then you might find more likely somebody who had exactly this problem and can get you the right direction
[13:38] <user72> thanks both: gnpr the issue is cross browsers, so I don't think it's FF/Chrome specific.
[14:59] <ilias_gr> hi all. Is install-info package a necessary system package?
[15:24] <powerman2206> Well hello there boys
[15:33] <powerman2206> So uh, thoughts on Chicago95?
[22:34] <xu-irc85w> Hi all, relative newcomer looking for assistance, what's the proper way to install an all in one device, when I plug in the usb, it sometimes recognizes the device and some times it does not and when I go into an application like Mousepad and go File > Print > I'll see multiple all in ones installed


[00:02] <ochosi> crap, for some reason no changes of the sliders are reflected by the xserver's settings anymore
[00:02] <ali1234> this stuff is a damn mess :(
[00:02] <ochosi> ali1234: does your "xset q" correspond to the values you set?
[00:02] <ali1234> again... what am i looking at?
[00:02] <ochosi> nah, it shouldn't be a mess, it was all working, so it seems it all blew up at once
[00:03] <ochosi> e.g. "blank-on-ac" (if you're currently on ac) should correspond to "xset q | grep timeout" divided by 60
[00:03] <ali1234> yes it is
[00:03] <ochosi> cause one is seconds (xset) and the other is in minutes (xfpm, cause that's easier to read)
[00:03] <ali1234> yeah the timeout is blank-on-ac * 60
[00:03] <ali1234> that is working okay
[00:03] <ochosi> hm, weird. then only i have a problem it seems
[00:04] <ali1234> and same for the other sliders too
[00:04] <ochosi> well, good to know i guess
[00:04] <ochosi> thanks
[00:04] <ali1234> seems like everything is okay here
[00:04] <ochosi> i was just about to work on xdg-screensaver integration for light-locker when i noticed the timeouts aren't changing for me, and i suspected mayhem
[00:05] <Unit193> Whoop, missed it.
[00:06] <ochosi> lucky you :)
[00:06] <ochosi> well at least i didn't have to go through xfpm's source
[00:07] <ochosi> ali1234: do you have the "security" tab in xfpm settings already?
[00:07] <ali1234> no
[00:08] <ochosi> hmm, mind to update xfpm to whatever's in proposed then?
[00:08] <ochosi> just to make sure that it isn't that
[00:11] <ali1234> okay... might take a while
[00:12] <ali1234> vivid-proposed right?
[00:12] <ochosi> yup
[00:16] <ali1234> still works fine
[00:16] <ali1234> got the security tab
[00:16] <ali1234> xfconf still isn't multplied by 60
[00:16] <ali1234> xset still shows correct values
[00:17] <ochosi> ok
[00:17] <ochosi> phew
[00:18] <ochosi> guess i'll do the diff for xdg-screensaver when i get that situation here fixed
[00:18] <ochosi> maybe a reinstall is best
[10:28] <ochosi> g'day everone
[10:28] <ochosi> everyone
[10:46] <elfy> hi ochosi
[10:46] <ochosi> hey elfy
[10:52] <elfy> probably no need - but can confirm what you and ali1234 saw
[10:52] <ochosi> wait, we saw different things :)
[10:52] <ochosi> it didn't work at all for me but fine for him
[10:52] <ochosi> so if you see what ali saw, then we're safe
[10:52] <elfy> oh - I'll read again
[10:53] <elfy> but what I saw was ...
[10:53] <elfy> set xfpm to blank in 5
[10:53] <elfy> looking at editor - xfpm says 5
[10:54] <ochosi> and xset says 5*60 ?
[10:56] <elfy> blank-on-ac in xfpm in settings - that says 5 - not 300 or 5*60
[10:57] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-110115-105732.php
[10:59] <ochosi> yeah
[10:59] <ochosi> but what does xset q say?
[10:59] <ochosi> (should say 300)
[10:59] <ochosi> "xset q | grep timeout"
[11:00] <elfy> timeout:  0    cycle:  0
[11:01] <ochosi> even after dragging the scale around?
[11:13] <elfy> seems so
[11:13] <ochosi> :/
[11:13] <elfy> not sure what's up there - this is a clean install from friday
[11:13] <elfy> parole still mucks it up though ...
[11:14] <ochosi> yeah, that's known/expected
[11:14] <ochosi> i worked on fixing that last night when i noticed something was off with xfpm
[11:15] <ochosi> i actually think i had the solution ready, but testing makes no sense when the screensaver settings aren't handled as they should
[11:15] <elfy> mmm
[11:15] <elfy> so I seem to not have the ppa version installed
[11:18] <ochosi> what version of light-locker and xfpm is that then?
[11:18] <ochosi> i'm still wondering whether i should do a clean install of 15.04 to see whether it's just local breakage
[11:19] <elfy> xfpm 1.4.2-0ubuntu4 and ll is 1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[11:20] <elfy> ppa is showing xfpm failed to build
[11:25] <elfy> so - I appear to be seeing a different bug I guess
[11:29] <ochosi> nah, i'm using the same version
[11:29] <ochosi> ppa version never built
[11:36] <elfy> yes
[11:37] <elfy> but do you see xset not showing what xfpm is? that's what I mean :)
[13:24] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, that's the problem i started to see yesterday (might've been there before, but i simply didn't notice)
[13:41] <jjfrv8> ochosi, fwiw, both my vivid machines behave as expected. Desktop with staging ppa and laptop with vanilla install from friday's daily.
[13:41] <ochosi> jjfrv8: wrt what elfy and i discussed above?
[13:41] <jjfrv8> affirmative
[13:42] <ochosi> hm
[13:42] <ochosi> and the version of xfpm and ll is the same as elfy?
[13:42] <jjfrv8> desktop is. I did not verify laptop yet but I will in a minute
[13:43] <bluesabre> good morning folks
[13:44] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[13:44] <ochosi> i wrote a patch for xdg-screensaver to support ll yesterday and then ran into the issues described above
[13:44] <ochosi> i'm not really sure whether it's a problem with my install or whether it's more generic
[13:45] <Unit193> A wild bluesabre has arrived: A: Greet  B: Stab
[13:45] <Unit193> B
[13:46] <bluesabre> x.x
[13:46]  * AgAu throws pokeball
[13:46] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'm going to install vivid today, I'll see if I can recreate the issues you describe
[13:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: well if you can't i'm happy
[13:47] <jjfrv8> ochosi, xfpm and ll versions same as elfy's on my laptop too.
[13:47] <ochosi> elfy and i have both fiddled with our installs meanwhile
[13:47] <ochosi> i can try to recreate that patch for xdg-screensaver and push it to a bzr branch so you can test that too
[13:48] <Unit193> I don't have ll installed...
[13:49] <Unit193> On the netbook I do, actually, and just upgraded to vivid on it too so I can test if needed.
[13:50] <ochosi> Unit193: that'd be nice
[13:53] <ochosi> bluesabre, Unit193: feel free to give this a spin: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xdg-utils/light-locker
[13:53] <ochosi> it's very minimal but should work fine
[13:53] <ochosi> the whole xdg-screensaver script needs a cleanup, but i'll have to coordinate that with seb128 next week
[13:57] <bluesabre> alrighty
[14:00] <Unit193> https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-session/news/20150111T131834Z.html new upload.
[14:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: you might've noticed on trello that i fixed all those gtk3.14 issues in the last few days, so greybird is ready to go
[14:05] <ochosi> hopefully nothing dramatic will turn up
[14:06] <ochosi> but i guess it'll be fine
[14:06] <ochosi> numix is also mostly fine, although i have another commit for it
[14:06] <ochosi> just need to sync that with satya and then that's ready for 15.04 too
[14:06] <ochosi> (assuming that we'll stick with 3.14)
[14:07] <Unit193> Noticed Greybird, and thanks for looking at Numix. :)
[14:07]  * Unit193 is reminded trello exists, and checks.
[14:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'd guess you saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1361143/comments/3 ?
[14:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: pushed fix to numix now, so that one is free to go too
[14:31] <ochosi> Unit193: have you seen/tested this? https://github.com/sonals/xfwm4
[15:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: seen, not had a chance to address yet
[15:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: so Greybird, Numix... anything else ready?
[15:59] <bluesabre> and I'll drop everything else from Depends
[16:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: should this be changed to adwaita or something similar now? https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/blob/master/elementary-xfce/index.theme#L4
[16:02] <bluesabre> or perhaps: adwaita,gnome,hicolor ?
[16:02] <bluesabre> or flip those, not sure which is preferred
[16:17] <brainwash> ochosi: I have not tested it yet, but does the light-locker support override the xserver management in xdg-screensaver?
[19:05] <knome> ochosi, poke me with the big commit on greybird again and i'll land it in albatross
[19:06] <ali1234> knome the gtk3.14 stuff?
[19:07] <knome> it was something related to buttons iirc
[19:07] <ali1234> everything after 6f8013cf293f2484b1896bfaaa0a052c02b1f83b fix checkboxes and radios in gtk3.14
[19:07] <knome> probably 3.14 too
[19:08] <ali1234> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commits/master
[19:08] <knome> but ochosi knows the exact commit i'm talking about
[19:08] <ali1234> there's a bunch of changes for buttons
[19:08] <ali1234> this is the huge one though https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/b86b4ed3a9649b38b2f9fb2071fd187130dd8ddb
[19:08] <ali1234> and btw, i wrote a python script that does this automatically
[19:08] <ali1234> so ou don't have to edit every style manually
[19:09] <knome> okay
[19:09] <knome> then i'll happily leave it to you :)
[19:09] <ali1234> well, i don't want to maintain albatross, i'm doing orion
[19:09] <ali1234> you can have the script though :)
[19:10] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9713670
[19:10] <knome> well thanks.
[19:11] <knome> if you run the script on the albatross css file, i'll push immediately ;)
[19:11] <knome> and you'll get a cookie
[19:12] <ali1234> that is far from enough to make it work with gtk3.14 though
[19:12] <ali1234> there's plenty of other things that need fixing
[19:12] <knome> i acknowledge, but that's a start
[19:13] <knome> i'm not exactly looking to dig in to it very much right now, but later, who knows
[19:13] <knome> and if i can get a biggish thing done, it's always a plus
[19:14] <Unit193> ochosi: No, what's the difference?
[19:14] <ali1234> knome: that first commit i referenced is already applied, i guess you just need the scripted one
[19:15] <knome> ali1234, probably
[19:15] <knome> ali1234, i don't know, which is why i was asking ochosi in the first place :)
[19:15] <ali1234> okay hang on then
[19:15] <knome> cheers
[19:18] <ali1234> looking at these css files i can see why they would want to use less or sass or whatever
[19:18] <knome> yep
[19:19] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/Albatross/commit/0f706811749639420f34aa8963e67f1ed55386ab
[19:20] <knome> can you make a pull request out of that?
[19:20] <ali1234> done
[19:20] <ali1234> of course i'm not 100% sure what i'm doing
[19:21] <ali1234> i'm just copying what ochosi did on greybird basically
[19:21] <knome> yes, that's what i would have done as well
[19:21] <knome> i'll check the sanity
[19:21] <knome> done
[19:22] <knome> thanks again
[20:59] <ochosi> knome: we need all commits, not just a single one
[20:59] <ochosi> there is the big one which adds the .checked class, but the others are needed too
[20:59] <knome> ochosi, i thought you said it was done until that commit you pasted then
[20:59] <ochosi> yeah, but meanwhile more has piled up
[20:59] <knome> okay
[20:59] <knome> so everything after that?
[21:00] <ochosi> yeah
[21:00] <ochosi> Unit193: window-previews in alt-tab
[21:00] <knome> oki, i'll look at it... some time
[21:00] <ochosi> yeah, first finish that "in development" wallpaper that has been "in development" for a while now ;)

[21:00] <knome> yes, for example
[21:00] <Unit193> Ah.
[21:01] <knome> and get a new phone
[21:01] <knome> :P
[21:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: true, i'll try to remember that
[21:01]  * Unit193 wants to get less git snapshots, and more dev releases.
[21:01] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, same here. i just felt if you want work, there you go. make it available for testing via PPA ;)
[21:02] <Unit193> Might do, though on this specific computer I don't have the compositor enabled.
[21:04] <ochosi> i don't think it's compositor-related
[21:07] <ochosi> night all
[21:07]  * ochosi out
[21:08] <knome> huhu, so early
[21:08] <knome> nighty
[21:52] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/revision/279
[21:52] <knome> slickymaster, Unit193 ^
[21:55] <Unit193> Okay?
[21:56] <knome> just for the laughs.
[21:56] <knome> and, to remind you we have to upload a new version
[22:00] <knome> pleia2, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/docs-startpage/revision/11
[22:02] <knome> pleia2, that'd be http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/docs-startpage/revision/12


[07:01] <brobostigon-one> morning boys and girls.
[07:34] <diplo> Morning all
[07:35] <brobostigon-one> morning
[07:35] <diplo> Are there two of you brobostigon-one ?
[07:35] <diplo> :)
[07:36] <brobostigon-one> diplo: yes, i have irssi running on my google compute engine vm, as i am having problems with irssi from my bitfolk vps.
[07:39] <diplo> aha :)
[07:39] <brobostigon-one> :)


[04:42] <guiverc> @LeoK[m], just FYI on testing checklist; I've changed some (all!) of my dates as I've discovered a potential flaw my end (chance I wrote a wrong ISO to thumb-drive); thus the marking so I can ensure I re-do them in coming day(s)..  I'll continue filling as normal, but those marked will need to be redone prior to release of 22.04.1  (I'll do it!)
[04:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Speaking of which, did Calamares 3.2.60 ever get SRU'd in? I set myself to receive email updates, but saw no further activity on that end.
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (Still have the testing laptop ready and waiting.)
[04:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nope, I mean, we can prep it and just go for it...
[04:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Might fix the timing problem I hit in Calamares that guiverc had to help me with the other day (I think yesterday?).
[04:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Which reminds me, I wanted to write down a documentation post in Discourse on how to run Calamares in shockingly verbose mode to get around some timing glitches.
[04:46]  * arraybolt3[m] finishes up with libfm-qt and then hopefully goes to Discourse
[04:46] <guiverc> I have a jammy.1 zsync in progress so my jammy term is currently busy & don't want another term open (got heaps already) to explore manifest (nor web site sorry arraybolt3[m]
[04:47] <guiverc> I've noted some 'new candy' hitting this box of late (kinetic), so thanks arraybolt3[m] & tsimonq2
[04:47] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Sounds like you have my problem with using terminals like pepper LOL
[04:48] <tsimonq2> guiverc: The Debian syncs? :)
[04:49] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], I just don't want too many balls in the air; I'm not a good juggler... :)
[04:50] <guiverc> `calamares       <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4`  appears in my jammy iso
[04:50] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL my problem is, I'll open a terminal, run a command, then go do something. Then I'll open another terminal, run a command, and do something. Rinse and repeat seven or so times. Then I decide to close some of the spare terminals I have and discover I have a whole pile of leftovers. (Maybe I shouldn't have learned about Ctrl+Alt+T...)
[04:52]  * guiverc does not want to overwite another disk array with a `dd` command cause I was using the wrong box again (ie. didn't read the $PS1 & where I was ssh'd into)  ... i now only handle ISOs in a specific term/tab combination as my new 'rabbits foot'
[04:54] <arraybolt3[m]> <shudder /> Man, that sounds awful. So sorry that happened.
[04:56] <guiverc> doing it once = sh** happens, doing it more than once ... nah I gotta be more careful!  thus my 'rabbits foot'
[04:59] <guiverc> thanks arraybolt3[m]
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): libfm-qt done and ready for review
[05:16] <tsimonq2> ack, I'll review tomorrow
 "LOL my problem is, I'll open a..." <- `Ctrl + Shift + T` for tabs
[05:16] <tsimonq2> You can rename them
[05:16] <tsimonq2> And, in 22.10 by default the tab width autoshrinks for you
[05:17] <tsimonq2> (Given the text)
[05:17] <arraybolt3[m]> I've not noticed that happening in my VM...
[05:17] <arraybolt3[m]> 3 tabs and boom, I can't see one at all.
[05:18] <tsimonq2> Do you have the tabbar turned on?
[05:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (Though my "tabs as pepper" usually happens on my Ubuntu Studio host - I keep a much more clean setup in my VM.)
[05:18] <tsimonq2> Try Preferences
[05:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Dunno, lemme se...
[05:18] <arraybolt3[m]> *see
[05:19] <arraybolt3[m]> I think the tabbar is on - I can see tabs. I usually have two open - one for the local PPA server, one for development.
[05:19] <tsimonq2> I have between 10 and 15 open at any given time
[05:19] <tsimonq2> Sometimes just split panes
[05:20] <tsimonq2> One right now has taskwarrior with a clear + sleep command in one pane, newsboat in another pane, htop in another, and my update script in the last
[05:20] <tsimonq2> It gets fun
[05:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds cool. I usually try to do one or two things at a time, and then just leave a trail of wreakage behind me as tasks are completed.
[05:21] <tsimonq2> I always keep my windows pretty organizede
[05:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (I also don't have the screen space for a cool setup like that, though I probably would do that if I had the space.)
[05:21] <tsimonq2> s/organizede/organized/
[05:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: You don't even need screen space if your terminal font is small enough and your eyeglass prescription is current. ;)
[05:21] <arraybolt3[m]> In the VM, organization is king. On the host? 💥
[05:22] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL good point, but I have to use my desktop from my Chromebook, which has a Full HD screen crammed into a tablet's worth of room, so I have trouble seeing my desktop's screen as it is.
[05:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (Don't get me wrong, on things with HiDPI scaling, it's nice. In Remmina trying to display the whole desktop monitor in one tiny spot? Not so nice.
[05:23] <tsimonq2> Fair enough
[05:23] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I'm tired. I won't say what's going on publicly but I'm a bit of a wreck after today.
[05:24] <tsimonq2> Thanks for continuing to chug along man, we got this :)
[05:24] <arraybolt3[m]> May things go better in both of our lives soon!
[09:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): You may have already said something about this, but I'm not sure I remember and Matrix isn't letting me find it. Are we supposed to be getting qtxdg-tools into Debian? Or are we waiting to do that for some reason?
[10:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Almost-certain Ubuntu delta warning on pcmanfm-qt - the Lubuntu Manual patch obviously must stay in Ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure it would be sorely out of place in Debian.
[10:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Also libfm-qt almost certainly has an Ubuntu delta in the patches - the patch "fix-metadata-for-trusting-executables.patch" specifically warns about it if I'm understanding correctly.
[15:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Just tried to kick off a mixed-mode UEFI discussion on #ubuntu-discuss:libera.chat, thought you might be interested.
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): You..." <- Should be in already?
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Agreed
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Agreed
[16:18] <tsimonq2> Well, with your last point, here's the entire context...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/03adc5d1f073d332bb19e3e80d6d2a8d06a31adf)
[16:31] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> Well, with your last point, here's the entire context...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ed9092e7bfb0a3545bd317b93aff25eb0ac73e5e)
[16:31] <tsimonq2> I don't care, fullsend it :)
[16:31] <tsimonq2> "Get me in trouble" with who lol
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Okay, will do.
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, rebuilding libfm-qt with the last patch to make sure it works.
 "Dan Simmons: Just tried to..." <- I will have to read the log later. I joined here on my phone but I can't see the scrollback.
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, so far no one's answered, so...
[17:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: So, there's a big problem with #ubuntu-discuss that us IRC ops talk about. It has deviated significantly from its original intent.  I kinda doubt you'll find any real discussion there, sadly.
[17:21] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looks like Andrew strikes again. lxqt-runner, lxqt-powermanagement
[17:42] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master lxqt-config_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[17:46] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master pcmanfm-qt_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[17:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: For now let's keep the packaging downstream in Ubuntu with separate Debian branches. I'll talk to Andrew to see if he has permissions for that in the Debian LXQt Salsa Team
[17:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Debian LXQt BoF> Looks like it's being held on the 20th at 3 AM Central. Fun, I know. I'll be there, and I'll probably send something to the mailing list so others can make it too.
[17:53] <tsimonq2> (The middle ping was wrt to xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt)
[17:53] <tsimonq2> https://savvytime.com/converter/kosovo-prizren-to-wi-green-bay
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Sorry about the delay on libfm-qt, about to push.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> I'm getting a strong urge to go to DebConf in India next year...
[17:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Pushed.
[18:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Thanks for the heads-up, oh well.
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Will look in a bit.
[18:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Maybe we need an "avoid politics" or something in #ubuntu-offtopic - the reason I don't go there is because the conversations are just crazy. People seem to be civilized in #ubuntu-discuss since they at least kinda try to stay on topic.
 "arraybolt3: Looks like Andrew..." <- Thankfully we were still waiting on those so it's not really any extra work done.
[18:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Oh, the syncpackage lines. I only have one this time, but here it is: `syncpackage -d experimental -f -s arraybolt3 lxqt-themes`
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Oh..." <- Done
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Sorry..." <- Looking.
[18:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Next dinstall we should have three I believe.
[18:17] <tsimonq2> #debian-ftp on OFTC has that at all times
[18:17] <tsimonq2> (Again, another one of those channels that you want to stay quiet in but has useful info.)
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> The dinstall times?
[18:17] <tsimonq2> (The topic has the dinstall times)
[18:17] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[18:17] <tsimonq2> You can join OFTC from Matrix too, yk :)
[18:17]  * arraybolt3[m] joins debian-ftp on Quassel
[18:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Really? I'm used to the Debian related channels kicking me off for not having a registered nick.
[18:18] <tsimonq2> @oftc-irc:matrix.org <- PM that user with !help and it'll walk you through
[18:18] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Perhaps you're trying to connect with libera.chat
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> True. I didn't know OFTC was different.
[18:18] <arraybolt3[m]> I actually would like to keep it in Quassel, though, my Matrix instance is getting so messy as it is.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> Yeah. It'll look all the same, just a few extra setup steps.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> As a reminder I'll grab the times for you before I review your package...
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, I got them.
[18:19] <tsimonq2> `dinstall @ 0152,0752,1352,1952 UTC`
[18:19] <tsimonq2> $ date -u
[18:19] <tsimonq2> Fri Jul 15 06:19:32 PM UTC 2022
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Are we still waiting on NEW for those last three packages?
[18:19] <tsimonq2> 18:19 right now... 19:52 is the next run it seems
[18:20] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Looks like it, yeah
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Oh, one more thing...
[18:20] <tsimonq2> lxqt-config_1.1.0-2_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental
[18:20] <tsimonq2> pcmanfm-qt_1.1.0-2_source.changes ACCEPTED into experimental
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt is not set up to use GBP correctly yet. There is no pure upstream commit at the base of the history, and the GBP manual has a specific warning about this. I think I need to rebuild the package from scratch. Thoughts?
[18:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^^
 "arraybolt3: For now let's keep..." <- ^
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, right.
[18:21] <tsimonq2> :)
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, then goodbye GBP! WOOT!
[18:22] <tsimonq2> For now... :)
[18:27] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master libfm-qt_1.1.0-2_source.changes`
[18:44] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: The only thing I haven't seen is panel, but here is another thing to remember about Debian...
[18:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: You can upload binaries to the archive, not just sources, in Debian only.
[18:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: It just won't migrate to testing anymore.
[18:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: So when uploading to Experimental, I *can* just build the amd64 debs and include that with the upload. That way we can test it immediately without having to wait for binary-NEW
[18:46] <tsimonq2> The user can just grab the new LXQt binaries and that one bin-NEW package's binaries and they'd be rolling
[18:46] <tsimonq2> (Let's just not forget qps because afair that depends on liblxqt...)
[18:47] <tsimonq2> (So installing all of those new packages would certainly uninstall qps in the process.)
[18:47] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that's handy to know. (I'm proceeding in order, thus why qps is getting lost.)
[18:47] <tsimonq2> Makes sense.
[18:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, not lost, but, you know.)
[18:47] <tsimonq2> So, if you have more things to review, lmk and just specify that it needs to be a source and amd64 upload
[18:47] <tsimonq2> And I'll take care of it
[18:48] <tsimonq2> (Literally it's `sbuild -sd sid-amd64-shm -d experimental` on my end...)
[18:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Out of, well, the want to do faster builds, how much RAM does your system have that's letting you use shm?
[18:48] <tsimonq2> hmm
[18:48]  * tsimonq2 checks
[18:49] <tsimonq2> 16 GB
[18:49] <tsimonq2> 8 core processor
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> 16GB is all? Then I should enable it on my VM. I thought I needed 64GB on my host, so I could give 32GB to the VM and that would enable shm builds.
[18:50] <tsimonq2> LMAO I thought you'd say that's a lot
[18:50] <tsimonq2> Yeah that's all I have tbh
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I've got 32GB in my desktop and I get cramped and have to shut down a VM or two because I start to run out of memory :-P
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer):
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Source-only uploads to NEW are not allowed.
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> binary:libfm-qt-common is NEW.
[19:09] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Simon Quigley (Developer):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9b490b3bc110fe3da90ef5342a7206a2db600cda)
[19:09] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what it sounded like to me.
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging/ This is for **Kinetic**, not Backports.
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Also will have syncpackage lines in a few minutes here.
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): https..." <- ack on itr
[19:50] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging/ This is for **Kinetic**, not Backports.
[19:50] <tsimonq2>  * ack on it
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/806f5ee68507a4a07f72f469eefe514f4172d4bd)
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (Not sure how to handle pcmanfm-qt, though, since it has a delta.)
[20:24] <tsimonq2> You base your changes on the Debian revision
[20:39] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> Simon Quigley (Developer):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/352dbd04ea88bba6c1572d9952812075ede8f757)
[20:45] <tsimonq2> `$ dput ftp-master libfm-qt_1.1.0-2_amd64.changes`
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): https..." <- `$ dput ssh-ubuntu xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt_0.2.0-0ubuntu2_source.changes`
[20:48] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: `lxqt-globalkeys_1.1.0-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into experimental, experimental`
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Go time
[20:48] <tsimonq2> gogogogogogogogogogogo :)
[20:50] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: `[ubuntu/kinetic-proposed] xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt 0.2.0-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)`
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Sorry, I missed the go stuff
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Oh wait, I'm only a minute late.
[20:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, back on Matrix.
[20:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): By "base your changes on the Debian revision", do you mean that I basically make a "1ubuntu1" version that includes the delta?
[20:52] <tsimonq2> yep
[20:52] <tsimonq2> And at that point I only review the delta
[20:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, lemme see if I get this right.
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> You already reviewed pcmanfm-qt, right?
[20:53] <tsimonq2> Yes
[20:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, nevermind, just looked at the spreadsheet.
[20:54] <tsimonq2> All good.
[20:54] <tsimonq2> So your revision to Ubuntu would be 1.1.0-2ubuntu1
[20:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Perfect, that makes total sense to me. So just a regular sync with Debian, then throw a delta on top.
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Yep
[20:55] <tsimonq2> The only changelog diff should be the new entry
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Try to keep this diff clean and readable
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Should be easy, it'll be one patch file, one change to the series file, and one extra entry in the changelog.
[20:57] <tsimonq2> `Accepted lxqt-panel 1.1.0-1 (source) into experimental`
[20:57] <tsimonq2> Looks like Andrew got the last part of the stack in...
[20:58] <tsimonq2> guiverc: You should be able to install the LXQt 1.1 stack from Experimental following the next dinstall. Please try at approximately 02:00 UTC on 07/16
[20:59] <tsimonq2> (Between 2 and 3 UTC it should be sorted.)
[20:59] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Sounds good.
[21:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Quick question, is it OK to leave salsa-ci.yaml in Debian, or does that have to be part of the Ubuntu delta?
[21:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/pcmanfm-qt-packaging-kinetic Synced with Debian, Ubuntu delta applied. Diff is clean (except for a missing salsa-ci.yml in Kinetic, which I purposefully removed as part of the delta).
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Quick..." <- Yeah I would not bother removing it in the delta
[21:19]  * arraybolt3[m] reverts commit
[21:19] <tsimonq2> Only make the changes you need to make in the delta
[21:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Commit reverted and pushed.
[22:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I just realized you were the one who finished qterminal, not me, and I just had you upload it with me as the sponsor. I am so sorry for that slip-up , I will try to be more careful.
[22:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): ^^
[22:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, you upload it as the sponsor for me... you know what I tried to say.)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> You're okay
[23:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Andrew doesn't like that we added back the symbols file. https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/libfm-qt/-/commit/f82c2ccc6cd9a3c0941094221d8cb2273ac9b761#note_323702 Also, there was another problem that I thought he emailed me directly about that I forwarded to you, then discovered it was a GitLab comment.
[23:14] <arraybolt3[m]> https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/libfm-qt/-/commit/92eb0265bda62ec7441a0ce20a8a30fd6b06fa77#note_323701
[23:17] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the other problem - looks like I made a boffo that we both missed.
[23:49] <tsimonq2> I have your back arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org - don't even worry about it


[02:07] <mhall119> ahoneybun: pong
[03:02] <McIntireEvan> Is there a way to tell what type of password a user has (as in, if they have a passcode or a passphrase)?
[03:23] <popey> no, i don't think so
[03:23] <popey> certainly not from within an application
[03:23] <popey> the only thing that knows the difference is the login screen and system settings, and no app will be able to see that data
[04:00] <McIntireEvan> Alright, thanks!
[06:47] <elimisteve> Damn. I'm compiling a binary on an ARM device (Scaleway server) for my Nexus 4 running Ubuntu Phone, and it's linking against /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libunity-scopes.so.1.0
[06:47] <elimisteve> but Ubuntu Phone OTA-9.5 only has /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libunity-scopes.so.1.0.2 and /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libunity-scopes.so.3 :-\
[06:48] <elimisteve> Any idea how I can make it link to the right place?
[06:48] <elimisteve> I'd just create a symlink, but it's a read-only file system on the phone
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <popey> elimisteve, is your scaleway server running ubuntu vivid with the stable phone ppa installed?
[08:53] <dpm> DanChapman, popey, morning! I'm updating the xenial builds on my ppa for all core apps - could you remind me how dekko is being managed in terms of code hosting now? Is code mirrored in LP and hosted in bitbucket?
[08:53] <popey> dpm, it's in launchpad/git
[08:53] <popey> git clone https://git.launchpad.net/dekko
[08:54] <dpm> so hosted in LP using git, right?
[08:58] <popey> yes
[08:59] <dpm> ok, cool
[09:23] <dpm> oSoMoN, mzanetti, good morning! Quick q: I just filed bug 1539482 for the notes app. Looks like a missing build dependency. Do you happen to know which package provides "com.canonical.Oxide"?
[09:23] <oSoMoN> dpm, liboxideqt-qmlplugin
[09:24] <dpm> awesome, thanks
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Fun At Work Day! 😃
[09:41] <mzanetti> morning Jams
[09:41] <mzanetti> James
[11:11] <popey> McIntireEvan, hey, mind if I add you to the terminal team? Then jenkins will process your merges :)
[11:25] <mivoligo> hi all
[11:26] <mivoligo> faenil sent me here
[11:26] <faenil> t1mp: ^ mivoligo is looking for a way to hide the back button in PageHeader
[11:28] <t1mp> mivoligo, faenil: PageHeader { leadingActionBar.actions: [] }
[11:29] <mivoligo> t1mp: thanks will try
[11:29] <t1mp> see the docs for "leadingActionBar" and "navigationActions" on https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeader/
[11:30] <mivoligo> seen that but couldn't find info how to hide it
[11:32] <mivoligo> another question: why the trailing actions are displayed in reversed order since OTA-9?
[11:33] <mivoligo> is this a bug or new default?
[11:33] <t1mp> it is the new default
[11:33] <t1mp> it was decided by design
[11:34] <mivoligo> ok, thanks
[11:34] <t1mp> one reason is to support convergence, if you have a larger screen, the actions that were in the overflow may be added to the ActionBar directly
[11:35] <t1mp> so with the new order of the icons, if you add new icons they are added to the left
[11:35] <t1mp> before they were added to the right, and all the other icons were moving
[11:35] <t1mp> and design wanted the more important actions closer to the top-right corner
[11:36] <mivoligo> ok, got now, could be nice to add that to documentation ;)
[11:36] <faenil> t1mp: worth updating the doc to reflect that
[11:37] <t1mp> faenil: which doc?
[11:37] <faenil> t1mp: header's ?
[11:37] <faenil> it's a behaviour change
[11:38] <t1mp> right
[11:38] <t1mp> hmm, the order of the icons was never mentioned there
[11:38] <faenil> because I guess it's expected that they're laid out left to right
[11:38] <faenil> but if you change that, people will find it unexpected
[11:40] <mivoligo> also I'd love to see design guides updated, pretty useless atm https://design.ubuntu.com/apps
[11:40] <mivoligo> but I guess design people aren't here
[11:41] <popey> JMulholland, ^
[11:41] <popey> they are
[11:41] <JMulholland> Hi!
[11:42] <mivoligo> Hi
[11:42] <JMulholland> mivoligo: Our editorial person is currently working hard on updating/ overhauling the design guides as we speak :)
[11:43] <JMulholland> lots of changes coming to the toolkit for convergence, so the overhaul reflects that
[11:43] <mivoligo> JMulholland:  sorry if I sound rude but it's a bit frustrating to wait when you want to develop nice apps ;)
[11:43] <JMulholland> I understand completely mivoligo
[11:43] <mivoligo> JMulholland: thanks for good news!
[11:44] <dpm> popey, what is this MP for? Just asking out of curiosity, as I saw lots of new contributions to Terminal - https://code.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/ubuntu-terminal-app/layouts-q-argument/+merge/283786
[11:44] <JMulholland> if you have any suggestions/ questions I’m sure Steph wouldn’t mind hearing from you (she’s working on the new guide)
[11:44] <JMulholland><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:46] <mivoligo> JMulholland: I can't think of any specific question right now, will wait for the update
[11:48] <DanChapman> dpm, hey! which ppa did you install dekko from? I'd like to take a look at the build log as there's something not right
[11:50] <dpm> hey DanChapman - I updated my personal core apps PPA to xenial, and I noticed I had an old 0.5 build there, so I updated the dekko build to 0.6 -> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=xenial
[11:50] <popey> dpm, fixes the fact that if you specify -q (which lets you specify where the main qml file is) it can't find the keyboard overlays
[11:51] <dpm> DanChapman, build logs -> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/+recipe/dekko-daily
[11:52] <dpm> popey, ok, thanks
[11:52] <popey> dpm, but we don't use -q anywhere that I can tell, so probably not well tested, which is why it was broken
[11:54] <dpm> ack
[11:55] <DanChapman> dpm, thanks! i'll take a look. Although it seems as if it's using the qml files from a previous 0.5 rel
[11:55] <DanChapman> s/rel/build
[11:59] <dpm> popey, when you've got a minute, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/reminders-app/fix-deb-build/+merge/284423 too? It fixes reminder's desktop package, but for some reason I could not get the local build to finish tests, perhaps I don't have the right AP packages installed?
[12:00] <DanChapman> dpm aha! so the qml files are being installed to /usr/share/dekko.dekkoproject/qml/* but Dekko is loading them from .local/share/dekko.dekkoproject/qml you must have an outdated directory there that Dekko finds first when checking the standard locations for main.qml
[12:01] <DanChapman> i'll update the bug report
[12:03] <dpm> DanChapman, awesome, thanks. Now I'm getting "Authentication failed" when using my personal @gmail account from the desktop, although I used the right e-mail/passwird. I don't have 2f auth on this one, any ideas what could have gone wrong?
[12:08] <DanChapman> Yeah the google provider on desktop is broken. I'm not sure what's required to get google OA working on desktop, and some of the google setup code is expecting it to be an OA. For now you need to use the IMAP account option when configuring an account.
[12:08] <DanChapman> dpm ^
[12:09] <dpm> ok, will try that, thanks!
[12:09] <DanChapman> np :-)
[12:10] <dpm> mardy, is there a way to get unity 8 UOA working on a unity 7 desktop for testing purposes? Just asking in case there is an easy way. If it's convoluted, or if it breaks my desktop, I'll pass :)
[12:11] <popey> dpm, yeah, i tested that earlier, and it won't pass tests here either
[12:11] <dpm> popey, does it freeze for you on the first test as well?
[12:11] <popey> dpm, they're qmltests though, not ap, aren't they
[12:11] <popey> knowing how much mzanetti hates AP :)
[12:12] <dpm> I didn't get that far to look at which kind of tests they were
[12:12] <dpm> but I know reminders used to have both types, AP + qml
[12:12] <popey> rebuilding now to take a look
[12:13] <popey> am building on xenial here
[12:13] <dpm> DanChapman, it seems I had a leftover gmail account from a previous Dekko desktop installation. What's the best way to delete it? I don't seem to be able to do so with through the UI
[12:13] <dpm> oh, I can :)
[12:13] <dpm> just noticed I can right-drag the account to delete it
[12:14] <DanChapman> yeah it's not very clear :-) I still need to add a delete action to the header of the accounts settings
[12:15] <dpm> DanChapman, np :) Ok, tried to setup my @gmail.com account as generic IMAP, but that got me "Authentication failed" too. Any pointers?
[12:15] <popey> dpm, looks like it's failing top launch the app, it core dumps with some QEGL error
[12:15] <popey> like it should be running on device, not a desktop
[12:15] <popey> so I am not convinced this has ever worked on a desktop
[12:16] <DanChapman> dpm take a look in ~/.cache/dekko.dekkoproject/logs/IMAP/* you should see a reason & with google usually a support link.
[12:17] <dpm> popey, I had been running reminders on the desktop for quite a while, but not in recent months
[12:18] <dpm> DanChapman, seems there are no logs (only from the old account I deleted)
[12:19] <dpm> DanChapman, ah, could it be https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255 ?
[12:20] <DanChapman> dpm, yeah that's probably it.
[12:20] <DanChapman> google make all this really awkward.
[12:20] <dpm> bummer, not sure I want to activate "enable less secure apps access" without knowing what it is. Sounds scary
[12:23] <DanChapman> dpm it's just a mechanism to prevent 3rd party apps from storing or sending you password directly to google. They prefer you to use OAUTH and the less secure apps policy enforces that. But the fact you have to enter your password to receive the error makes the policy moot in my opinion.
[12:25] <dpm> ok
[12:27] <dpm> DanChapman, so when using this latest build on the desktop, will I get to see the latest dekko convergence features?
[12:29] <DanChapman> dpm yep :-) And you should get desktop notifications as well
[12:29] <dpm> ooooh :)
[12:30] <dpm> waiting for e-mail to get synced, I can already see the side panel
[12:30] <dpm> seems it's not doing anything, though, the progress indicator disappeared
[12:33] <popey> JMulholland, https://docs.google.com/document/edit?hgd=1&id=1810KDpFl2Mxsn1z3wehPU9pkbS6R6o-j1-pmYpkYb7A#heading=h.jh8j7gb6bo0s linked from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-location/+bug/1351299 is private, can you ask whoever owns it to open it up pls?
[12:33] <popey> JMulholland, also, a gentle nudge to design that an order or two of magnitude more people _can't_ see those documents than those who _can_ :)
[12:35] <DanChapman> Check in the accounts settings that "Default account" is selected. Sounds like it's not automatically selecting your Inbox folder. But changing folder or re-selecting Inbox should force messages to load
[12:35] <DanChapman> dpm ^
[12:38] <dpm> DanChapman, that seems to be it. Progress indicator going now. Should I file a bug for non-default e-mail account?
[12:39] <DanChapman> dpm, yes please.
[12:39] <dpm> Dekko on a desktop looks stunning!!! good work
[12:40] <DanChapman> thanks :-)
[12:40]  * dpm starts using it
[12:44]  * dpm starts filing bugs
[12:47] <popey> heh
[12:47] <popey> DanChapman, we close to a store upload? :)
[12:47] <popey> *closer
[12:47] <popey> :)
[12:49] <DanChapman> popey, yeah just these darn icons not loading in the nav drawer on krillin to figure out. Works fine on desktop & mako
[12:55] <popey> nice
[13:09] <dpm> popey, DanChapman, what is the situatioon with push notifications for dekko and "stealing" them from the gmail webapp for gmail accounts?
[13:10] <dpm> bbiab (lunch)
[13:11] <DanChapman> dpm, notifications is top priority after this update is out. Regarding how it will work with the gmail notifications is still unclear
[13:44] <mivoligo> JMulholland: one more question, do you guys have images/font used for "14.04" on this image for all the number from 0 to 9?  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/UBN00216-1.jpg
[13:45] <dpm> DanChapman, thanks. Which part do you think we still need to figure out for the gmail notifications?
[13:53] <DanChapman> dpm it's mainly how a user will decide/select which app the gmail notifications should go to. And dekko would require different info encoded in the notification to what the webapp requires. So i think the polld plugin would need to be aware of the users preference.
[14:03] <TheEagerPadawan> having issues compiling nmap 7.01 on ubuntu mate 15.10 -> http://0bin.net/paste/4tOsjljQLt1e0dW2#YrDx4a73m2eGN9826yoWhXzGOGszYGOxnUfMu4xL1EV
[14:31] <renatu> popey, I update my Mr based on yours, it will only update the qtquick import to use the version 2.4: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/sdk-1-3/+merge/284454
[14:31] <renatu> popey, who is the guys that I can ask for review my MR? I hame a couple of MR that needs review
[14:47] <JMulholland> mivoligo : It’s not a font, as far as I know they we’re image assets, trying to see if theyre available anywhere for you now.
[14:56] <micael> Hi, what are the options to develop apps to ubuntu phone
[14:56] <micael> official and not
[15:04] <renatu> popey, The new event bottom is not visible on the header anymore, is that correct?
[16:03] <popey> renatu, hm, i thought we moved it to the menu on the right... where did that go?!
[16:04] <renatu> popey, I found a way to create events by clicking on the time int the view
[16:04] <popey> renatu, right, but i think the button should still be in the menu...
[16:05] <popey> did I make a mistake on my merge?
[16:05] <renatu> popey, yes I agree, I think it was removed on the branch that you are based on
[16:06] <popey> hm
[16:07] <popey> will take a look, that wasnt intentional
[16:07] <renatu> popey, on your MR line 314, 533, 563
[16:10] <davmor2> micael: not sure I understand you but feel free to create app, developer.ubuntu.com will point you in the right direction
[16:10] <popey> renatu, i think i got that from Kunal's merge. The intention was to move that to the menu
[16:13] <popey> renatu, ok, I'll have to fix that, sorry.
[16:13] <renatu> popey, np
[16:39] <dpm> DanChapman, for your question about the location of translations, can you remind me again how are translations handled in dekko? Are we using gettext or the Qt translations framework instead?
[16:40] <balloons> so popey, I'm looking at file manager -- anything else causing trouble?
[16:40] <popey> balloons, reminders tests seem to be failing - if you see dpm's merge
[16:40] <balloons> ack
[16:46] <dpm> popey, balloons, bug 1539482 (notes) and bug 1539494 (clock)
[16:47] <dpm> and in order of priority I'd say notes, clock, file manager
[16:47] <balloons> I know about clock -- ahayzen was working on it and bartoz was inquiring about it
[16:48] <dpm> then I'd say notes would be the one to look at
[16:48] <ahayzen> balloons, if you are talking about jenkins, most of the issues are related to not being able to click allow/deny on the location thing
[16:48] <ahayzen> for clock/weather
[16:48] <balloons> popey, and was I crazy or was it docviewer that had the issue and not file manager
[16:48] <ahayzen> and the random hits of bug 1536361 :-)
[16:48] <balloons> ahayzen, ahh, yes our experiements
[16:48] <popey> balloons, to be fair they mostly all do
[16:51] <balloons> slave is offline on jenkins -- lovely
[17:14] <DanChapman> dpm, dekko use Qt's translation framework
[17:15] <dpm> DanChapman, ok, in that case I've added some extra info to the bug that I hope it's useful
[17:15] <DanChapman> dpm, thanks! I'll take a look
[18:07] <renatu> popey, how do I run calendar autopilot?
[18:07] <popey> renatu, on phone or laptop?
[18:08] <renatu> laptop
[18:08] <popey> cd tests/autopilot && autopilot run calendar_app
[18:08] <popey> I think
[18:09] <popey> balloons, is the expert here :D
[18:10] <ahayzen> popey, what about http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/README.autopilot ;-)
[18:13] <McIntireEvan> popey: Few hours late here, but that'd be great!
[18:13] <renatu> ahayzen, thanks
[18:19] <balloons> renatu, there's also lovely readme's with the branch
[18:20] <balloons> on the desktop I would run via sandbox; autopilot3-sandbox-run -X --windowmanager ratpoison -s 400x600x24 calendar_app
[18:26] <renatu> balloons, are you a calendar app dev?
[18:27] <balloons> renatu, not at all
[18:28] <renatu> popey, we could use bottom edge for "new event" action
[18:49] <popey> renatu, that would be good, we did consider that numerous times.
[18:49] <popey> McIntireEvan, okay!
[18:49] <renatu> popey, I will try that
[18:50] <popey> McIntireEvan, done, welcome to the team :D
[18:50] <popey> renatu, awesome
[18:51] <McIntireEvan> popey: Thanks!
[18:52] <McIntireEvan> BTW, I'm trying to debug on an emulator, but when it builds the package for the emulator, I get an error that's caused by libpam0g being missing, obviously I can just apt-get that library when normally building, but it still says it's missing for this
[18:53] <McIntireEvan> I also tried installing the i386 version of the library alongside the one i have, but that didn't work. Any ideas?
[18:55] <popey> you need libpam0g-dev
[18:55] <balloons> McIntireEvan, it's probably saner to just run and debug on the desktop
[18:55] <McIntireEvan> popey: Err sorry, that is the one I have
[18:55] <popey> ok
[18:56] <McIntireEvan> balloons: The change Im testing only affects the phone version :(
[18:56] <balloons> McIntireEvan, truly only affects phone?
[18:56] <balloons> sandboxing on the desktop can mitigate that
[18:57] <balloons> btw popey, everything is failing now on jenkins, due to the good ole test dependency insanity
[18:58] <McIntireEvan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1499994 is the bug in question, said dialog only appears on mobile, and presumably unity 8 (Which I am setting up right now)
[18:58] <popey> ugh
[18:59] <popey> McIntireEvan, i think you can force that dialog to appear
[18:59] <balloons> since things are still based on vivid, we might be hitting a big wall
[18:59] <popey> terminal -p
[19:01] <balloons> McIntireEvan, and you can also simulate a phone nicely using sandbox: autopilot3-sandbox-run -X --windowmanager ratpoison -s 400x600x2 terminal
[19:01] <balloons> *autopilot3-sandbox-run -X --windowmanager ratpoison -s 400x600x24 terminal
[19:04] <popey> news to me!
[19:06] <popey> renatu, feel free to use your uitk1.3 branch and work from that as mine is clearly broken. We can mark the others as rejected
[20:00] <ahoneybun> heyo
[20:00] <ahoneybun> I'm getting this error: debsig: Origin Signature check failed.
[20:01] <ahoneybun> everytime I try to manually install a .click
[20:01] <ahoneybun> it has happened on 2 different packages
[20:07] <popey> where did the package come from?
[20:14] <ahoneybun> one is mine, Ubuntu Beginner and the other is the Open Store
[20:14] <ahoneybun> I can't seem to get the SDK to deploy my app
[20:14] <ahoneybun> so I was sideloading it kinda
[20:15] <balloons> you have to disable signature check when you sideload
[20:15] <balloons> as you haven't signed it
[20:16] <ahoneybun> oh but what about the SDK
[20:16] <balloons> SDK does that when it sideloads
[20:16] <ahoneybun> rsync is giving me code 11
[20:16] <ahoneybun> from the SDK
[20:16] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[20:17] <ahoneybun> .excludes
[20:17] <ahoneybun> but I see it in the SDK but not in the file manager..
[20:18] <DanChapman> mardy, hey! i'm getting this click warning for dekko "'account-application' is deprecated in ubuntu-sdk-15.04.1-qml: use 'accounts' hook instead" but i can't find any documentation for what i actually need to change
[20:19] <DanChapman> I can't seem to find it on d.u.c
[20:19] <ahoneybun> the SDK is not making an .excludes file
[20:29] <elimisteve> popey: my Scaleway server is running Wily. If I try Vivid, think it'll link against the right version of libunity-scopes? I'll try that next, thanks!
[20:29] <popey> that's what I'd do
[20:29] <popey> add the stable overlay ppa tho
[20:30] <elimisteve> popey: "...ubuntu vivid with the stable phone ppa installed?" Is that this? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[20:30] <popey> yes
[20:30] <popey> thats what the phone runs
[20:30] <popey> (and all my chroots)
[20:31] <elimisteve> Awesome, thank you!
[20:31] <elimisteve> I'm soooo close lol, down to 1 shared library link failure
[20:31] <elimisteve> god I hope this works
[20:45] <ahoneybun> balloons, any idea about the .excludes file
[20:45] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:45] <ahoneybun> rsync: failed to open exclude file /home/aaron/Projects/2.0/.excludes: No such file or directory (2)
[20:45] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:46] <ahoneybun> and that worked
[20:47] <ahoneybun> mm Components 1.3 does not work well with my tabs lol
[21:18] <DanChapman> mardy, nvm figured it out :-) although changing to the "accounts" hook resulted in the user having to re-add those accounts.
[21:33] <ahoneybun> mm did tabs change a lot
[21:33] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> I keep getting "ListItem.Standard - ListItem is not a namespace" but I removed all ListItem.Standard on that page
[21:50] <renatu> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/sdk-1-3/+merge/284454
[21:50] <renatu> popey, I will on bottom edge stuff based on this branch
[21:51] <popey> renatu, nice one, will take a look, thanks
[21:52] <popey> jdstrand, you about, we have some confusion when uploading dekko to the store (cc DanChapman )
[21:54] <popey> wtf, 0.6 passes here DanChapman
[21:55] <DanChapman> popey that's the one I would prefer to publish as i've tested the OA parts thouroghly in that one. 0.6.1 requires the user re-adds the account which isn't so pleasent
[21:55] <popey> actually DanChapman 0.6 was only a warning anyway
[21:55] <popey> i see no fails in 0.6 in the store, and passes locally here
[21:55] <DanChapman> so I can re-upload that one?
[21:56] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14702835/
[21:56] <popey> no
[21:56] <popey> no need to re-upload. I think I can approve 0.6
[21:56] <popey> lets see
[21:56] <popey> jdstrand, ignore me, conflict between my laptop and store
[21:56] <DanChapman> that would be even better.
[21:56] <popey> done
[21:56] <popey> :D
[21:57] <DanChapman> \o/ cheers popey :-D
[21:57] <popey> you can set 0.6.1. to no longer need manual review I think
[21:57] <popey> No, thank YOU!
[21:57]  * popey raises a glass
[21:58] <DanChapman> and published. :-)
[21:58] <popey> Sweet!
[21:58] <popey> pmcgowan, ^ new dekko in the store
[21:59] <popey> ooh, you did new screenshots too
[21:59] <popey> sweeet!
[21:59] <pmcgowan> nice cant wait
[21:59] <DanChapman> yep :-)
[21:59] <popey> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/site_media/appmedia/2016/01/screenshot20160129_194029453.png
[21:59] <ahoneybun> I'm having issues with ListItems and linking to ext .qml files
[21:59] <popey> you don't think that's a little sad, asking yourself out for dinner? :)
[22:01] <DanChapman> Hahah wrong image. :-D me changes for the correct one
[22:03] <DanChapman> ahoneybun, what issue you having? not sure i understand your last comment :-)
[23:26] <ogra_> DanChapman, hey, shiny new dekko ... how do i open a mail now ? tapping the entry only gets me a buzz
[23:27] <ogra_> (or moves the highlight .... but it doesnt open the mail)
[23:29] <ogra_> aha
[23:29] <ogra_> i had "start offline" enabled (i dio that when traveling) ... seems then it doesnt open any mails at all


[18:43] <lamalex> the indicator applet doesn't show my anything when i get an im so i just miss all of my ims
[18:54] <ScottK> Productivity enhancement.  It's a feature.
[19:08] <lamalex> :)
[19:09] <lamalex> not a feature when its an im from my boss
[19:13] <cyberix> My karmic is lacking the small envelope that is used for opening the Instant Messenger. How do I get the envelope?
[19:17] <cyberix> ok I found it
[19:26] <tedg> lamalex: It's probably something to do with your IM client.  Which are you using?
[19:26] <lamalex> tedg: empathy
[19:26] <lamalex> (which brings me to the question why do we have 2 installed by default)
[19:36] <tedg> lamalex: Okay, it would probably be best to ask kenvandine about how to debug whether it's sending the attention request.
[19:36] <tedg> I believe only one in installed by default, but Pidgin isn't removed.
[19:37] <kenvandine> hey
[19:38] <kenvandine> lamalex, we don't remove pidgin on upgrade but empathy does get installed
[19:39] <lamalex> kenvandine: pidgin was recently /added/ to my install iirc
[19:39] <kenvandine> oh... i think there was a bug briefly
[19:39] <kenvandine> which was fixed
[19:39] <lamalex> ah
[19:39] <kenvandine> so dist-upgrade would have added it then
[19:39] <kenvandine> sorry
[19:40] <kenvandine> we specifically don't remove it though
[19:40] <kenvandine> for upgraders
[19:40] <kenvandine> sorry about that :)
[19:40] <lamalex> np :)
[19:41] <lamalex> any idea about the indicator now showing new messages
[19:45] <kenvandine> lamalex, with empathy?
[19:49] <lamalex> kenvandine: yes
[19:49] <kenvandine> look in the notifications tab in preferences
[19:49] <kenvandine> is use the indicator checked?
[19:49] <kenvandine> hey
[19:49] <kenvandine> whoops
[19:49] <lamalex> kenvandine: things go there, but the icon doesn't change
[19:50] <lamalex> so ijust miss my ims
[19:50] <lamalex> using human theme
[19:51] <kenvandine> ah
[19:51] <kenvandine> human or humanity?
[19:51] <kenvandine> icon theme
[19:52] <lamalex> humanity
[19:52] <kenvandine> the current humanity icon theme (default in human) doesn't have a "draw-attention" emblem
[19:52] <lamalex> ah
[19:52] <kenvandine> it is fixed upstream
[19:52] <kenvandine> but archive is frozen :)
[19:52] <lamalex> that's fscked
[19:53] <lamalex> that needs a freeze exception if that's the default theme
[19:53] <kenvandine> although i am not super excited about it... i still can't tell :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> nah
[19:53] <kenvandine> it will be in the first update after beta
[19:53] <kenvandine> mac_v, that reminds me
[19:53] <kenvandine> that still doesn't get my attention the way the green dot did
[19:53]  * mac_v hides ;)
[19:53] <kenvandine> if i am not watching it while i get an IM, i can't tell the difference :)
[19:54] <kenvandine> i understand the green dot wouldn't really be appropriate though
[19:54] <mac_v> kenvandine: we have changed the appearance of the envelope , recently
[19:54] <kenvandine> but perhaps a gray dot on the envelop?
[19:54] <kenvandine> or somethign?
[19:54] <mac_v> so that wont be a problem
[19:54] <kenvandine> right now it is just slightly more contrast in it when draw-attention is set right?
[19:55] <mac_v> yeah ..
[19:55] <mac_v> kenvandine: it has been fixed > now  when a new message arrives the envelope will fill up ;)
[19:55] <kenvandine> fill up?
[19:55]  * kenvandine pulls again
[19:57] <tgpraveen> kenvandine: yeah a gray dot is a good idea. though the grayness might need some tweaking imho
[19:59] <kenvandine> mac_v, which icon would that be?
[19:59] <kenvandine> i just pulled and nothing in this update looks like that icon
[20:01] <mac_v> kenvandine: the icon will change when new mail arrives , or it is a bug in i-a ;p
[20:01] <kenvandine> no, i meant in bzr
[20:01] <mac_v> let me  get you the icon
[20:01] <kenvandine> i and running humanity icons from bzr :)
[20:01] <lamalex> has anyone done a gmail provider?
[20:01] <kenvandine> i just did a pull and don't see anything new that looks like it
[20:01] <kenvandine> lamalex, yes
[20:01] <kenvandine> gm-notify or gm-notifier
[20:01] <kenvandine> something like that
[20:01] <kenvandine> it is in LP
[20:02] <kenvandine> not in universe yet though
[20:02] <kenvandine> afaik
[20:02] <lamalex> thanks
[20:09] <mac_v> argh! stupid lp!...
[20:10] <mac_v> kenvandine: the new icon will be in the Humanity/status/22/indicator-messages-new.svg
[20:10] <mac_v> i can find the icon in action image ! lp is hiding bugs :/
[20:10] <mac_v> cant*
[20:13] <kenvandine> mac_v, yeah.. i have that
[20:14] <kenvandine> i think think it isn't different enough
[20:14] <kenvandine> lamalex, i didn't even notice i had that IM from you :)
[20:16] <lamalex> exactly!
[20:16] <lamalex> :P
[20:17] <lamalex> IMs should pop under, not be suppressed.
[20:17] <mac_v> lamalex: are you also using the latest Humanity bzr ?
[20:18] <lamalex> mac_v: yes
[20:18] <mac_v> :(
[20:18] <kenvandine> mac_v, i can see the difference
[20:18] <kenvandine> i just don't think it is enough to notice
[20:18] <kenvandine> not when you aren't specifically watching for it
[20:18] <mac_v> kenvandine: its better than previous icon ;)
[20:18] <lamalex> kenvandine: this is a failing of the indicator itself, not humanity's icon though
[20:18] <kenvandine> if it changes and then i look at it, i have to think "is that different"
[20:18] <kenvandine> mac_v, it is :)
[20:19] <kenvandine> lamalex, no... why?
[20:19] <kenvandine> we change the icon
[20:19] <mac_v> kenvandine: i-a is not always changing
[20:19] <lamalex> you have to go check for messages, making them easy to miss if you're not checking
[20:19] <kenvandine> lamalex, why?
[20:19] <lamalex> because all you get is a little change in the panel
[20:19] <kenvandine> if the icon difference was more noticable, like it was in jaunty
[20:19] <kenvandine> it is obvious
[20:20] <lamalex> i still missed ims all the time with it
[20:20] <kenvandine> you do also get a notification right?
[20:20] <kenvandine> i never did :)
[20:20] <lamalex> and the bigger your screen gets the easier it is to miss them
[20:20] <kenvandine> true
[20:20] <kenvandine> i am on a laptop
[20:20] <mac_v> kenvandine: notifications are being suppressed when using fullscreen apps :/
[20:20] <kenvandine> so not huge
[20:20] <mac_v> notify-osd*
[20:20] <kenvandine> mac_v, true
[20:21]  * mac_v wonders when macSlow will fix that :(
[20:21] <kenvandine> mac_v, anyway... i just think something like adding a gray dot would be better, instead of making the whole envelop look different
[20:22] <mac_v> kenvandine: if the envelope looks different and the difference is noticeable that solves the problem , right?
[20:23] <kenvandine> yes
[20:23] <mac_v> so not need dot ;)
[20:23] <mac_v> no*
[20:23] <mac_v> kenvandine: the main problem is the lac of color..
[20:23] <mac_v> lack*
[20:24] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:24]  * kenvandine isn't a designer... just giving you my experience
[20:24] <kenvandine> what is there now isn't enough for me... and i focus a ton on the indicator :)
[20:25] <mac_v> kenvandine: yeah , we are used to colors soooo much , this is actually a regression for a few days until you get used to it
[20:28] <lamalex> kenvandine: does the gm-indicator work for you on karmic or does it require python-indicate from trunk or something
[20:28] <kenvandine> oh
[20:29] <lamalex> it's using clases athat aren't in my version of python-indicate
[20:29] <kenvandine> i bet that needs to be updated
[20:29] <kenvandine> i haven't hacked on it in quite a while
[20:29] <lamalex> that being gm-notify, or py-indicate?
[20:30] <kenvandine> gm-notify
[20:31] <lamalex> do you have a branch or is it something that needs done
[20:35] <kenvandine> needs to be done
[20:35] <kenvandine> i won't have time
[20:35] <kenvandine> not anytime soon :)
[20:35] <kenvandine> it is most like a one line change though
[20:35]  * lamalex might take a look
[20:35] <kenvandine> s/IndicatorMessage/Indicator
[20:35] <kenvandine> something like that
[20:35] <kenvandine> but
[20:35] <kenvandine> make it a try/except
[20:36] <kenvandine> try one class, except use the other class
[20:36] <kenvandine> so it is backwards compatible with jaunty
[20:36] <kenvandine> i did that in gwibber
[20:36] <lamalex> rad
[20:36] <kenvandine> i am 95% sure that is all you need to do :)
[20:36] <lamalex> what editor do you use for python development? I can't find one that I like
[20:37] <lamalex> monodevelop is so killer for C# that all other editor fail to meet my vision of what an editor should be
[20:37] <kenvandine> vim
[20:37]  * lamalex vommits
[20:37] <kenvandine>               try:
[20:37] <kenvandine>                 indicator = indicate.Indicator()
[20:37] <kenvandine>               except:
[20:37] <kenvandine>                 indicator = indicate.IndicatorMessage()
[20:37] <kenvandine> vim is the only true editor :)
[20:37]  * kenvandine hides
[20:37] <lamalex> VI VI VI - the number of the beast
[20:39] <kenvandine> if you get a branch for gm-notify, i think i have permissions in LP to merge it
[20:39] <kenvandine> so you can propose merge and set me as the reviewer
[20:40] <lamalex> kenvandine: rad
[21:00] <lamalex> kenvandine: proposed
[22:00] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[22:00] <jcastro> ok, who wants to do some openweek sessions in november?
[22:00] <jcastro> tedg: I know you do
[22:01] <jcastro> kwwii: some people have asked for like a theme tutorial or something too
[22:04] <kwwii> jcastro: hrm, I might be able to whip something up
[22:04] <kwwii> not sure what people want to hear though
[22:07] <kwwii> jcastro: ohhhh, that is the week before the design sprint and UDS...bad timing
[22:07] <tedg> jcastro: I could.  I'm not sure what I'd talk about.
[22:07] <tedg> jcastro: When do you need to know?
[22:11] <jcastro> tedg: asap
[22:11] <jcastro> end of the week would be best
[22:12] <jcastro> kwwii: One or two design people would be enough, it doesn't have to be you
[22:12] <jcastro> if you two want to throw mt or mpt under the bus that would be fine as well. :p
[22:12] <tedg> jcastro: I could talk about either messaging menu or session menu, but they're kinda WYSIWYG.  There's not much hidden to talk about.
[22:12] <kwwii> jcastro: ok, I will talk to the crew and see how many stare at me funny before saying no :p
[22:13] <kwwii> jcastro: I'll get back to you
[22:13] <jcastro> cheers!
[22:33] <tedg> jcastro: Stars playing the Red Wings during UDS.  Unfortunately in Detroit.


[02:20] <snoopyau> Hi
[03:04] <sagaci> hi
[06:51] <snoopyau> Hi . Could anyone help me with a issue Im having with Ubuntu 10 LTS 64bit . I have an Nvidia 560ti and an Asus 27" MT276H LCD. I managed to get the drivers via the Update program but it ends up chucking a whobbly and wants to reset config to backup . I cant choose any decent res above 800x600. Im unsure if its a driver issue for the LCD or the Video Card or both
[08:03] <head_victim> snoopyau: it's unlikely to be a driver issue with the monitor it sounds more like an issue with the video card driver.
[08:04] <head_victim> So in your system admin > administration > hardware drivers menu, what comes up? Is the driver activated or not?
[08:07] <head_victim> There are a couple of solutions on the forums but I don't know how accurate they are
[08:07] <head_victim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846322
[08:08] <head_victim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1766510
[08:08] <head_victim> Personally I'd try the PPA version first because that will update easier in the future
[09:09] <snoopyau> Thanks , sorry was afk
[09:10] <head_victim> snoopyau: no worries, I'm in and out of here as well, let us know if it works
[09:10] <snoopyau> Saw those 2 ones already
[09:11] <snoopyau> I might just download Lubunut 10.x lts and give it a go
[09:11] <snoopyau> The problem I find with nvidia drivers is often you have to drop to command line and type stuff, which doesnt help if your in firefox reading about it
[09:11] <snoopyau> unless you can make a batch script
[09:12] <head_victim> I've never needed cli for nvidia :/ Mine always just work
[09:12] <snoopyau> Nvidia drivers seem like a huge headache in linux, why cant it be easy like windows, download a driver, add it to the device manager and reboot
[09:12] <snoopyau> Maybe the nvidia 64bit drivers dont support the 560ti
[09:13] <snoopyau> i might have to go back to 32bit
[09:14] <head_victim>  So you've tried both the PPA and the drivers off the website?
[09:17] <head_victim> Also the command to ignore the edid and set the resolution looks like it mighit be worth a shot
[09:19] <snoopyau> Ive tired the nvidias website ones and repo built in ones
[09:19] <snoopyau> i havent manged to get the open source 2d ones working yet
[09:21] <head_victim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1692287 shows how to ignore the edid and then set the mode (resolution) to whatever you know your monitor can safely do
[09:29] <snoopyau> Thanks ill give it a whirl later
[09:29] <snoopyau> Im in windows atm
[09:29] <snoopyau> Im using 1920x1080 in Windows atm wit the 560ti and a 27" screen
[09:38] <head_victim> So when you go to change it thought are you using the "display" or the "nvidia settings" menu entry?
[09:38] <head_victim> Just double checking because sometimes people don't realise you need to use nvidia settings when using the proprietary drivers.
[12:19] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[13:17] <gggs> sagaci: 1 packet transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 360000ms
[13:18] <gorilla> would have been more impressive if it did come back to you in that amount of time.
[13:20] <gggs> "IP over Avian Carriers" maybe?
[13:21] <sagaci> ha
[13:22] <gorilla> yes, the packet was roasted by the microwave link.
[13:27] <head_victim> Awww, pong :/
[13:28] <gorilla> yes, the roasted pigeon could be a little on the nose afterwards.
[13:29] <gggs> 2 packets transmitted, 1 received, 50% packet loss, time 420000ms
[13:30] <gggs> gorilla: no QoS with IPoAC
[13:31] <gorilla> gggs: same as for ICMP :-)
[13:33] <gggs> actually my bad, turns out IPoAC w/QoS was released 9 years after the initial rfc! " The following quality of service levels are available: Concorde,
[13:33] <gggs>    First, Business, and Coach.  Concorde class offers expedited data
[13:33] <gggs>    delivery."
[13:33] <gggs> whoops, newline fail, bad irssi
[13:35] <gorilla> could add another one.. stand-by. We'll send it when we can.. oh btw your payload is following on the next plane.
[13:37] <gggs> says "Round-robin queueing is not recommended.  Robins make for well-tuned networks but do not support the necessary auto-homing feature."