[15:18] <Lummoxx_> tester_: I don't see that System Settings string.  Mine goes as I indicated in my first response.  Have you installed an alternate network management package?  I only have the kde 4.2 default.
[15:19] <tester_> Lummoxx_: it is in the advanced tab on jaunty alpha4 here
[15:19] <tester_> it is the kde4 configuration for network-manager
[15:19] <tester_> not kde settings for network stuff
[15:19] <christian_> excume, the channel in spanish??
[15:19] <Pici> !es | christian_
[15:20] <christian_> thks
[15:20] <diego_> drostie: XML is just a structure ... openOffice should be able to handle it since it surely is based on a proper DTD or XSD
[15:22] <Lummoxx_> tester_: ah, not running that.  only idea I have, run it from a terminal with sudo
[15:24] <drostie> diego_: OpenOffice has an XML parser, but the Office Open XML structure is not OpenDocument. So OpenOffice won't be able to handle it until it translates the semantics from one to the other.
[15:24] <tester_> Lummoxx_: thx deosn't help either
[15:26] <christian_> hello somebody know, about the backup in kmail??
[15:28] <sarah88> Hi?
[15:28] <christian_> hello sarah
[15:28] <sarah88> where is this?
[15:28] <sarah88> christian?
[15:28] <tester_> is nobody using yahoo searh?
[15:29] <tester_> s/searh/search
[15:29] <tester_> i seem to be the only one complaining on bugs.kde.org for years
[15:29] <tester_> there is no shortcut
[15:29] <sarah88> am new here at irc..
[15:29] <tester_> i'd like to see a bit more support for things other than google
[15:30] <christian_> mmm I understand
[15:30] <sarah88> i had been to yahoo
[15:30] <sarah88> messenger
[15:30] <sarah88> how is this? is this the same?
[15:30] <christian_> mmm soso
[15:30] <tester_> sarah88: i mean the webshortcut in konquero
[15:31] <tester_> like yh: my websearch
[15:31] <christian_> it is a community
[15:31] <sarah88> an linux community?
[15:32] <tester_> sarah88: i guess you use kubuntu?
[15:32] <sarah88> yes
[15:32] <sarah88> how can one know?
[15:32] <Lummoxx_> tester_: yahoo search, instead of Google?  If you have a Geek Card, turn it in now!  :D
[15:32] <tester_> Lummoxx_: no adding it as web shortcut
[15:32] <tester_> Lummoxx_: as well as msn web search
[15:33] <Lummoxx_> :)  Just yanking your chain.
[15:33] <tester_> by the way google pays millions to mozilla to be default
[15:33] <tester_> so konqui should be paid as well ;-)
[15:33] <christian_> sarah where are you from
[15:33] <christian_> ??
[15:34] <sarah88> from jordan
[15:34] <tester_> sarah88: because you have come to #kubuntu
[15:34] <sarah88> hmm
[15:34] <sarah88> i tot so too
[15:34] <tester_> sarah88: this channel is for tech talk around kubuntu
[15:34] <sarah88> oh sorry
[15:34] <sarah88> i ddnt know
[15:34] <tester_> sarah88: no prob
[15:35] <tester_> sarah88: i don't know how strictly the guys take their topic here
[15:35] <sarah88> is there some social work rooms?
[15:35] <sarah88> i guess i shud leave tester...
[15:35] <christian_> mmm I can create the anothers rooms???
[15:35] <sarah88> violating tech space...
[15:35] <sarah88> isnt there a global room?
[15:35] <drostie> tester_: use firefox. Create a bookmark to [http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%s] and then set the "keyword" to be something like "yh:" or just "y". Then "y stuff" should bring you to the search page for "stuff".
[15:36] <sarah88> i am fed up with MS
[15:36] <tester_> drostie: cool tipp thx. i am talking about having more shortcut support in konqui by default
[15:37] <christian_> sarah you can connect a channel hola???
[15:37] <christian_> #hola
[15:37] <sarah88> how is that may i know?
[15:38] <tester_> drostie: google seems to be a blind default nowadays
[15:38] <tester_> drostie: i don't think this is a good idea
[15:38] <drostie> tester_: You mean konqueror?
[15:38] <tester_> drostie: for example
[15:40] <sarah88> i tried from the menu
[15:40] <drostie> I find konqueror unusable. If you click the location bar, it doesn't immediately select all. If you then try to Ctrl-A to select the entire URL (to delete it and go somewhere else), you find that the entire page -- not the entire URL -- has been copied.
[15:40] <Lummoxx_> well swell, my entire wiki.kubuntu article is gone, not even in browser cache  :(  I am now sad.
[15:41] <drostie> But there's a "Select Search Engines..." for the konqueror search bar which could be tooled to use Yahoo, I'm sure.
[15:41]  * Dr_willis wakes up
[15:41] <tester_> cu
[15:41]  * drostie wakes down
[15:42] <sarah88> hmm
[15:42] <sarah88> brb
[15:43] <UnixOne> when will kubuntu be released?
[15:43] <UnixOne> jaunty^
[15:43] <Pici> !jaunty | UnixOne
[15:43] <drostie> UnixOne: there are alphas available now. The final release is in April.
[15:43] <UnixOne> ah, super
[15:43] <UnixOne> thanks :)
[15:43] <UnixOne> Already use it here :P
[15:44] <Lummoxx_> !ubottu is pure awesome
[15:44] <UnixOne> but didnt know when the final comes out, thx
[15:44] <Lummoxx_> haha, oops
[15:44] <Pici> Lummoxx_: ignored, don't worry.
[15:44] <UnixOne> !ubottu whats up?
[15:44] <UnixOne> :D
[15:44] <Lummoxx_> That's what I get for trying to be funny.
[15:44] <Dr_willis> everytime some asks when it will be released.. they move the release date back 4 hrs,.. :)
[15:44] <UnixOne> lol
[15:44] <UnixOne> cool
[15:45] <UnixOne> :D
[15:45] <Lummoxx_> Pici: heh, thanks.
[15:45] <UnixOne> btw. kde4.2 rocks
[15:45] <Lummoxx_> UnixOne: Agreed.  24+ hours now on "experiemental", no issues.
[15:46] <diego_> drostie: the windows open xml should be open as it is so the only difficult part should be to integrate it
[15:46] <diego_> drostie: microsoft has been fined too much so far to keep things private
[15:47] <drostie> diego_: there are, in fact, current projects to put oox into oo.o, and not just odf. But I don't know that there are fines involved for Microsoft if they don't use oox.
[15:47] <drostie> s/know/think. ^_^
[15:47] <UnixOne> Lummoxx_: nepomuk is not stable, crashes and everything is defaul like opera etc. and sometimes it doesn`t shutdown plus it had an issue that allowed login only on the second try :P however, It's still usable
[15:47] <UnixOne> for an alpha
[15:48] <Lummoxx_> I can only report what I've seen, and you better not have just jinxed me!  :D
[15:48] <drostie> Microsoft likes ECMA, the group who standardized OOX for them. ECMA's most famous project of standardization was Javascript, which resolved a lot of headaches for us web developers.
[15:49] <UnixOne> Lummoxx_: noo :P
[15:49] <UnixOne> Lummoxx_: I think its better than vista, ubuntu was only comparable to xp, due to it`s similar features, but this built is comparable with windows 8 :D
[15:50] <drostie> I don't know what it says about us as a planet that we have different organizations that exist solely to take formats and churn out standardized formats based on them.
[15:50] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Hah a You remember that?
[15:50] <DaSkreech> diego_: have you read open XML ?
[15:51] <UnixOne> unfortunately I can't outsource my stress :D
[15:52] <drostie> UnixOne: sure you can. It's called "vacation in Paris." ^_^
[15:52] <Dr_willis> I perfer Vegas :)
[15:52] <drostie> But then you're not really outsourcing, are you? :-P
[15:52] <Lummoxx_> Paris?  Meh...take me to Cancun!
[15:53] <UnixOne> drostie: I've been too often there, but vegas or maledives would be ideal :)
[15:53] <diego_> DaSkreech: no i have not
[15:53]  * Dr_willis goes to the Shire for Vacation. :)
[15:53] <UnixOne> Dr_willis Shirie?
[15:53] <UnixOne> is that a street?
[15:54] <UnixOne> :D
[15:54] <Lummoxx_> Worsteshire?
[15:54] <UnixOne> aaaaah :D
[15:54] <Dr_willis> Shire,  Frogmorton,  Michel Delving :)
[15:54] <DaSkreech> diego_: It's impossible to implement
[15:54] <Dr_willis> Spending too much time playing Lord Of the Rings Online. :
[15:54] <UnixOne> 7days are not enough for some projects..
[15:55] <drostie> "Gentlemen, this could be the End of the World. Of Warcraft."
[15:55] <UnixOne> $week = 7; final $week =14; // :D hehe
[15:56] <diego_> DaSkreech: impossible is not the word if things come from microsoft come on!!!
[15:56] <DaSkreech> Fine it's impossible for people other than Microsoft to implement
[16:01] <drostie> slow day in #kubuntu?
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah it happens
[16:02] <DaSkreech> I've been in here for like two hours before anyone said anything
[16:02] <DaSkreech> Then comes new release day
[16:02]  * DaSkreech sighs
[16:02] <Lummoxx_> I keep getting sucked back into WoW.  :(
[16:03] <Lummoxx_> LotRO, Warhammer, EQ2, Eve, none hold me for long.
[16:04] <Tm_T> Lummoxx_: that's offtopic (:)
[16:04] <Dealer2mogette> is there people wich have problems with kubuntu and macbook pro (8600) ?
[16:05] <Lummoxx_> Sorry, was in response to Dr_willis, and there was a lull.  :(
[16:06] <Dealer2mogette> i've something like that : http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00320ut8.jpg
[16:07] <Laeborg> i have some problems with my intel graphic card
[16:07] <Dealer2mogette> Laeborg: have you resolve it ?
[16:08] <DaSkreech> !ot | Lummoxx_
[16:08] <Laeborg> when i run a glxgears i only have a avarage fps on 200
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Laeborg , how large is your glxgears window...larger window slows the fps down
[16:17] <Laeborg> not that big
[16:17] <Laeborg> maybe 200x200px or something like that?
[16:18] <Laeborg> * alienware_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #lobby
[16:18] <Laeborg> 655 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.975 FPS
[16:18] <Tm_T> Laeborg: FYI glxgears is NOT an benchmark
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Laeborg, which graphics card ?
[16:19] <Laeborg> intel graphics media accelerator x3100
[16:20] <noren> hi all again
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Laeborg , onboard ?
[16:20] <Laeborg> its a laptop
[16:20] <Laeborg> acer extensa 5620
[16:20] <noren> i am tierd of trying and crashing my kubuntu 8.10 to upgrade to kde4.2, i guess isud wait till kubuntu 9.04 comes out
[16:21] <Lummoxx_> noren: what method of upgrading to kde 4.2 are you using?
[16:21] <rmrfslash> Hey all...
[16:21] <noren> from the experimental ppa
[16:21] <rmrfslash> I'm trying to install octave3.0
[16:21] <rmrfslash> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/texinfo/texinfo_4.11.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[16:22] <rmrfslash> any suggestions?
[16:22] <rmrfslash> It says: try running apt-get update or with --fix-missing
[16:22] <Lummoxx_> noren: following this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[16:22] <rmrfslash> i tried both... still unable to get it to install
[16:22] <Laeborg> i have installed Steam (Counter-Strike 1.6) throught PlayOnLinux (wine i think) but my graphics only works in software mode, not openGL
[16:22] <noren> any other suggestion, can i go from kubuntu 8.10 to jaunty alpha 4  ???
[16:24] <rmrfslash> oh, wait... I didn't notice a missing GPG key
[16:24] <rmrfslash> got it... and it works
[16:24] <rmrfslash> thanks everyone
[16:24] <Cybio> noren: i think that is not really recomended ...
[16:24] <Lummoxx_> noren: are you looking to upgrade to jaunty, or just upgrade 8.10 to use kde 4.2?
[16:25] <rmrfslash> for your prompt responses ;)
[16:25] <noren> Lummoxx_: i tried tht N number of times but ended with a dpkg error and finally crashing the complete Kubuntu system as a whole
[16:26] <noren> i wanted to get to kde 4.2 i heard that jaunty uses kde4.2
[16:26] <noren> Cybio: what do u suggest ??
[16:26] <Lummoxx_> noren: well, I used the link I just gave you, and did have an error, but the fix suggested in the error worked just fine for me.
[16:26] <Cybio> i am now running KDE 4.2 on 8.10 ... .used the howto on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[16:26] <Dr_willis> I had issue with the  Ibex 4.2 upgrade/install. ui had to manually remove some package.. but it worked..
[16:28] <noren> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 << have been using this only but always ends with a crashed system
[16:28] <Cybio> use the deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[16:28] <Dr_willis> You could clarify what a 'crashed system' means.
[16:28] <Cybio> mmm works OK here
[16:28] <Dr_willis> works ok for most people i imagine. :)
[16:30] <Cybio> yes, i think so ... not really sure what crashed mean ... what errors there were
[16:31] <noren> Dr_willis: after downloading all the packages it does not install all the package.... it quits half ways ssaying dpkg error.... then the title bar vanishes off all the windows , cant input anything using my keyboard...
[16:31] <Dr_willis> use the commands from the console.. and not while runnign the stuff you are upgrading.. :) may be a good idea
[16:32] <noren> it says to do apt-get -f install and then again quits afteer saying some error
[16:33] <Dr_willis> reread and pastebin the error message perhaps.  to let the channel see whats going on.
[16:33] <Lummoxx_> noren: that can't be good, I got this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/120184/  But running apt-get -f install AND dpkg --configure -a fixed it.
[16:33] <Dr_willis> the pastebinit command is handy for that
[16:33] <Lummoxx_> noren: And did not see any window oddities.
[16:34] <diego_> guys do you know what repository i should use to get the openvpn gui installed?
[16:34] <noren> Lummoxx_: yes man even i start with this error, but  while running those did you closse the adept and ussed the konsole
[16:35] <DaSkreech> noren: Still no Konqueror?
[16:35] <Lummoxx_> noren: After getting that error, I exited Adept first, then ran those commands in a konsole.
[16:35] <peacesarah> hello all
[16:35] <peacesarah> anyway to get connected to social work sites?
[16:36] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of 'social  work sites' I imagine.
[16:36] <noren> Lummoxx_: oh may be thats why its not here... i should quit to the konsole and then try that i guess
[16:36] <rmrfslash> I love how vim-full requires like 90MB of libraries
[16:37] <rmrfslash> just to get syntax coloring
[16:37] <rmrfslash> I need to install lib-mpeg3
[16:37] <noren> DaSkreech: hey there, man me really tired of doing the same stuff going over and over again....... still NO SUCCESS
[16:37] <rmrfslash> ruby, perl 5.10
[16:37] <DaSkreech> peacesarah: A browser
[16:37] <rmrfslash> libhal--storage1
[16:38] <rmrfslash> insane.
[16:38] <rmrfslash> so much for ubuntu jeos
[16:38] <DaSkreech> noren: Where are you now?
[16:38] <Lummoxx_> noren: trying to run apt in a konsole while Adept is still running will always fail, in my experience.  You're using either Adept, or command line, but never both.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> sounds like it may be grabing the 'recommended' stuff  as well. but ive never used JEOS. so cant tell.
[16:39] <noren> DaSkreech: same place got crasshed and reinstalled
[16:39] <rmrfslash> It is grabbing all sorts of junk
[16:39] <rmrfslash> that is obviously unnecessary for vim
[16:39] <rmrfslash> I just want the syntax on command to work in vim
[16:40] <rmrfslash> 90MB
[16:40] <rmrfslash> That's how much it costs
[16:40] <Dr_willis> Rant some more about it.. that will fix it. :)
[16:40] <rmrfslash> I know, right?
[16:40] <Dr_willis> or grab the source and  go to town i guess.
[16:40] <arshad> HI
[16:40] <noren> Lummoxx_: {apt-get -f install AND dpkg --configure -a}  or {dpkg --configure -a AND apt-get -f install} ???  will both have the same effect or different
[16:40] <Dr_willis> I recall compiling vim for puppy linux  into a less then 10mb package.
[16:41] <Dr_willis> but i idident try very hard to make it smaller
[16:41] <giuseppe> hi
[16:41] <DaSkreech> --no-recommends
[16:41] <DaSkreech> !hi
[16:41] <DaSkreech> noren: Where are you now?
[16:41] <rmrfslash> oh well
[16:42] <noren> DaSkreech: what do u mean??
[16:42] <DaSkreech> What is your current situation?
[16:43] <noren> i just got a fresh install !! --- last time i was able to corrupt my X-Server and kdm... had lost the GUI cmpletly !! :(
[16:45] <Dr_willis> It pays to install a extra minimal desktop for emergancies :)
[16:47] <peacesarah> is there a public irc chat room
[16:47] <peacesarah> ?
[16:47] <noren> Dr_willis: how to do tht, i got dual boot Win and Kubuntu ?
[16:48] <DaSkreech> noren: Want me to show you how to get here and get help without a GUI ?
[16:48] <DaSkreech> peacesarah: This is a public IRC
[16:48] <Dr_willis> noren,  do what? install a extra desktop ? 'sudo apt-get install openbox'
[16:48] <Krooks> Hello, I'm quite new to kubuntu but I have been using linux for a long time. I have been using Gentoo for 7 years. Anyway, if a softwarefor example qt-creator is not in the list of apps provided by Adept, what are my options to install it ?
[16:48] <Dr_willis> or any of a dozen+ other destop/window managers you could be using. noren
[16:49] <peacesarah> i am not a tecie DaSk
[16:49] <peacesarah> am into bio
[16:49] <peacesarah> techie
[16:50] <Dr_willis> BioMusic! Music made by  Bacteria Cultures!
[16:50] <Dr_willis> BioTech -  :)  That like RoboTech?
[16:50] <noren> Dr_willis: Openbox, ??
[16:50] <Dr_willis> noren,  or any other ones you may want.
[16:51] <nazghrell> hi
[16:51] <Dr_willis> !info lxde
[16:51] <nazghrell> im looking for help.
[16:51] <noren> DaSkreech: i was able to install iirc and connect to the irc.freenode.net but  could not connect to the #kubuntu channel
[16:51] <DaSkreech> peacesarah: You asked a question you got an answer
[16:51] <nazghrell> how to change resolution on kubuntu??
[16:52] <DaSkreech> !hi | nazghrell
[16:52] <nazghrell> thx
[16:52] <nazghrell> pls somebody help me?
[16:52] <DaSkreech> noren: you mean Irssi ?
[16:52] <nazghrell> i need change resolution on my kubuntu ...
[16:53] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[16:53] <Dr_willis> Or users can set tehir own res.. if you dont have the proper video card drivers installed  - you may want to do that first..
[16:53] <DaSkreech> noren: You mean irssi ?
[16:54] <noren> DaSkreech: oh sorry i meant ircii !! :)
[16:54] <DaSkreech> !info ircii
[16:54] <DaSkreech> interesting :)
[16:54] <Dr_willis> ircii is one of the older irc clients i recall.
[16:54] <noren> if only i could know how to get into irc from CLI ??
[16:54] <Dr_willis> it should use the normal /join #kubuntu type command
[16:55] <Dr_willis> noren,  just type the command name?
[16:55] <DaSkreech> noren: you got onto freende ?
[16:55] <noren> Dr_willis: oh i am not much of a user of IRC i have been using this from couple of days only ,
[16:56] <Dr_willis> irc<tab> shows that ircii is called with 'ircII' upper case II
[16:56] <Dr_willis> or use irssi. i would suggest irssi over ircII
[16:56] <noren> so did not knew much about the command and how to use them and that also on CLI
[16:56] <DaSkreech> noren: Ok lets make this easier install irssi
[16:56] <Dr_willis> !tab | noren
[16:57] <noren> right now i am using konversation to to interact with you guys.. can i login simultaneously through irssi
[16:57] <DaSkreech> noren: yes
[16:58] <Dr_willis> noren,  of course :()
[16:58] <Dr_willis> you could have a dozen irssi's going..
[16:58] <noren> simple apt-get irssi will get that installed or i would have to download something
[16:59] <DaSkreech> noren: apt-get install irssi
[16:59] <Dr_willis> Most everything can be isntalled with apt-get install :)
[16:59] <Dr_willis> what which cant.. :) i rarely use
[16:59] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: he's new to IRC something like that is undheard of in say MSN
[16:59] <noren> and how to remove ircii
[17:00] <Dr_willis> !apt-get | noren
[17:00] <Dr_willis> apt-get remove  whatever
[17:00] <Dr_willis> Logical eh?
[17:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:02] <noren> ok let me get in here again from CLI :)
[17:02] <DaSkreech> noren: let us know when you are ready
[17:02] <DaSkreech> ok
[17:11] <noren_> hi all << finally i am in with irssi
[17:12] <Dr_willis> wow.. :)
[17:13] <xtrender> oi..
[17:13] <Dr_willis> took ya that long to figure out  /server freenode.net  and /j #kubuntu
[17:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:13] <noren> Dr_willis: its something really new for me... its really great
[17:13] <Dr_willis> the irssi homepage has some VERY VERY well done docs also..
[17:13] <DaSkreech> noren: Ok do you know about TTYs?
[17:13] <noren> yes ctrl alt f1 f2 and on
[17:13] <xtrender> hello ppl.. there is a way to instal grub out of mbr? install it in the hard drive?
[17:14] <DaSkreech> noren: ok good
[17:14] <DaSkreech> Where are you stuck now for installing KDE 4.2 ?
[17:14] <noren> no i can go for one more try to update i guess.... << :)
[17:14] <DaSkreech> !grub | xtrender
[17:15] <noren> http://paste.ubuntu.com/120184/ << it was same
[17:15] <noren> one more thing if u guys cann tell me howto use this pastebinit in CLI
[17:16] <Dr_willis> pastebinit command
[17:16] <Dr_willis> or 'cat text | pastebinit'
[17:16] <DaSkreech> noren: What happens if you just sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin ?
[17:17] <Krooks> Is Inprepid using grub2 ?
[17:17] <xtrender> ...cause i want to use windows boot loader to boot in linux.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> GRUB can be installed to places other then the MBR
[17:17] <DaSkreech> xtrender: Windows Boot loader will not boot linux
[17:17] <Dr_willis> I find the grub boot loader much more flexiable then the windows boot loader stuff
[17:17] <xtrender> no? why not?
[17:18] <noren_> DaSkreech wait i am trying to update again will get back when in trouble again
[17:18] <DaSkreech> Because Microsoft's loader has no interest in loading anything but a Microsoft Operating system
[17:18] <Dr_willis>  Ive seen the windows boot loader used for WUBI and  GeeXbox. :) but thats special cases
[17:19] <DaSkreech> It actually won't even load other MS operating systems
[17:19] <xtrender> yes. but i have one problem.. i have a dell xps m1210. it comes with media direct aplication wich uses mbr. when grub is installed the media direct aplication is messed up.
[17:20] <Dr_willis> Id have to wonder what taht mbr is doing...
[17:21] <xtrender> look at http://tinyurl.com/6897tv
[17:22] <DaSkreech> hi peacesarah1
[17:24] <peacesarah1> yes??
[17:24] <peacesarah1> hello
[17:24] <xtrender> lol.
[17:24] <cuznt> peace, peacesarah1
[17:25] <DaSkreech> hi peacesarah1
[17:26] <marcel> please how can i select text from a file with Gvim ?
[17:27] <DaSkreech> marcel: highlight it with the mouse
[17:27] <DaSkreech> You can paste with middle click
[17:27] <DaSkreech>  you can do that with any text in Linux
[17:27] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: Did you need help with anything?
[17:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis, BluesKaj: hi guys
[17:28] <marcel> DaSkreech: thank you, but using keys ?
[17:28] <DaSkreech> marcel: ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
[17:28] <marcel> DaSkreech: thank you..., :)
[17:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis, BluesKaj: can you two take care of noren_ ?
[17:28] <peacesarah1> well
[17:28] <DaSkreech> he's had a really rough time trying to get KDE 4.2
[17:29] <peacesarah1> i wanted to know how to reach irc socialworks room
[17:29] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: Where did you find out about it?
[17:29] <peacesarah1> i dont know
[17:30] <peacesarah1> am askin
[17:30] <DaSkreech> Is the room called socialworks ?
[17:30] <xtrender> can anyone know answer my question?
[17:30] <peacesarah1> leave it man
[17:30] <DaSkreech> xtrender: ask in #grub
[17:30] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: What do you mean a socialworks room ?
[17:31] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: I can explain how IRC is structured if that helps
[17:31] <peacesarah1> mm
[17:32] <Dr_willis> Its about Bed time for me. :)
[17:32] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Awww :) g'night
[17:32] <Dr_willis> 3rd shift worker here.
[17:32] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: IRC has servers which generally house many rooms with people of like mind
[17:32] <d1m0n> part
[17:33] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: For example you are on the freenode server now which has many people who like open software services and culture
[17:33] <DaSkreech> There are other servers which mostly cater to say Gamers or Warez or people who just want to talk
[17:34] <DaSkreech> on each server there are many rooms that group people by specific topics
[17:34] <peacesarah1> ok
[17:34] <peacesarah1> then?
[17:34] <DaSkreech> This room is for people who need help with Kubuntu for example
[17:34] <DaSkreech> So you would need to know the server and room that you want to get to
[17:34] <peacesarah1> yes
[17:34] <peacesarah1> tru
[17:35] <DaSkreech> If someone told you about a socialworks IRC then you would need those two bits of info
[17:35] <DaSkreech> If you saw it on a website then I can look at the website an tell you how to get to the IRC chan
[17:35] <noren__> Dr_willis: ok then s c later if i had not managed to craash my system
[17:35] <DaSkreech> noren__: I have to go to a meeting now
[17:36] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: WOuld you be able to help?
[17:36] <peacesarah1> There is one called DynastyNet
[17:36] <noren__> DaSkreech: i wont be ready to ask question before couple of hours
[17:36] <DaSkreech> peacesarah1: ok where did you get this information from?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> noren__: Oh I may be back by then
[17:37] <peacesarah1> google
[17:37] <DaSkreech> Can you give me the link you are looking at
[17:40] <noren__> !list
[17:41] <peacesarah1> http://searchirc.com/networks
[17:42] <noren> test
[17:44] <DaSkreech> !test
[17:45] <peacesarah1> Mr Da?
[17:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm?
[17:55] <Kbeville> just installed kubuntu... i want to beable to play windows media formatts i think i have to install gstreamer or something so any help would be assisted
[17:58] <essial> Kbeville: yeah
[17:59] <Kbeville> what do i need to do to get it to work essial?
[17:59] <essial> kbeville: do a search for "ugly" in adept
[17:59] <essial> assuming you have that setup
[17:59] <Kbeville> just gstreamer essial
[17:59] <essial> that is gstreamer
[17:59] <essial> its the ugly set
[17:59] <Kbeville> ok
[17:59] <Kbeville> thanks will try
[17:59] <essial> its "ugly" because of licensing issues
[18:00] <Kbeville> yeah i figure so
[18:00] <xtrender> thanks for the help =(
[18:00] <Kbeville> what media center program do u recommend for me to use
[18:00] <essial> I just use the defaults
[18:00] <essial> I use xine for dvd, but everythign else i let kde choose for me :p
[18:00] <Kbeville> ok thanks for the help
[18:01] <essial> (I'm running kubuntu if thats worth anything to you)
[18:01] <najumudh> ?
[18:03] <Kbeville> me to
[18:05] <yoolao> hello, i just lost the susppend (to ram / to disk) icons in the kde menu, how can i fix this please? package to reinstall?
[18:06] <wildbat> yoolao : click shutdown and press and hold shutdown icon you will see it
[18:08] <yoolao> it seems it dont work
[18:08] <Kbeville> essial: how do i get my hp laptop remote to work with kubuntu?
[18:10] <wildbat> yoolao: hmm idk then that where the suspend to RAM moved to for my laptop
[18:10] <yoolao> what is idk?
[18:11] <wildbat> idk = idon't know
[18:11] <yoolao> ok thanks
[18:13] <yoolao> in fact does some one know what are the icons in the kde menu? link to file / config file?
[18:19] <mcbrain> Hi, the borders of all my KDE windows disappeared... I don't know how I did this, can someone help me restore them ?
[18:20] <Dr_willis> Were you using compiz ?
[18:20] <fuzura> yes
[18:21] <Dr_willis> restart compiz with compiz --replace perhaps.
[18:21] <fuzura> ok, i try
[18:21] <Dr_willis>  the fusion-icon tool may be helpfull also
[18:21] <Dr_willis>  I find mixing compiz + kde 4.x - can be more hassle then its worth
[18:21] <fuzura> damn ! it's working :D
[18:22] <rodrigo> Kde 4 is estable?
[18:22] <fuzura> Dr_willis: thank you very much, it works ;)
[18:22] <Dr_willis> kde 4.2 is not too bad
[18:22] <Dr_willis> fuzura,  ya may want to read up on compiz :)
[18:22] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[18:22] <rodrigo> how is better Dr_willis, kde 3.5 or 4.2 ?
[18:22] <fuzura> I still don't know how it happened at the first place... but it's ok.
[18:23] <Dr_willis> fuzura,  simple answer..  it crashed
[18:23] <Kbeville> how do i get my laptop remote to work with kubuntu/
[18:23] <Kbeville> ?
[18:23] <draik_> With KDE and OpenBox, my Kubuntu keeps freezing. Where should I begin to look for the resolution?
[18:23] <Dr_willis> kde 3.5 is basicially dead or will be soon.. Use what you want. :)
[18:23] <fuzura> Dr_willis: oh...
[18:24] <Dr_willis> I dont suggest mixxing kde4+ compiz :) kde4 has its own similer features
[18:27] <Malic> how can i find out to which user-group i belong?
[18:28] <Malic> i want to change rights with chmod and i have to know the group..
[18:28] <Lummoxx_> Malic: type groups in konsole
[18:28] <Dr_willis> by default each user has a group with the same name as their username - i thought
[18:28] <yao_ziyuan> every so often i envy fedora's timeliness of package updates
[18:28] <rodrigo> How I can update my KDE 3.5 for 4.2 ?
[18:28] <Malic> yes.. thank you!
[18:29] <javier> hola hay alguien de españa aki
[18:30] <BluesKaj> rodrigo,  http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[18:30] <internet> Javier: tienes que ir al canal #kubuntu-es
[18:30] <BluesKaj> !es | javier
[18:31] <edrees> haloo
[18:31] <javier> gracias
[18:31] <BluesKaj> de nada
[18:31] <javier> iḿ sorry
[18:32] <edrees> any body arabic here
[18:32] <edrees> في احد عربي
[18:32]  * BluesKaj is away pushing igloo snow
[18:33] <BluesKaj> !arabic
[18:34] <Lummoxx_> ew, I just discovered my youtube audo skips.
[18:35] <dendraya> shouldn't be there a alpha 5 release since feb. 17th!?
[18:35] <rodrigo> !br
[18:38] <zapunidi> а с руским как здесь?
[18:40] <fuzura> sure...
[18:40] <Pici> !ru | zapunidi
[18:40] <fuzura> ^_^
[18:40] <draik_> Internaltion Day at #kubuntu?
[18:41] <draik_> *International
[18:47] <jao> hi, I'm trying to get kraft working but it just says that it can't initialise (doesn't give a proper error message)
[18:47] <jao> I installed mysql and set up the db
[18:49] <nitesh> when i mark all updates, it also asks to remove adept, akgregator, dolphin etc
[18:53] <Luija> ei people, can someone help me with wine? i just downloaded it, lets say i wanna install windows live messenger, what i do?
[18:53] <jao> download it and double click on it
[18:53] <larsaa> Luija: sudo aptitude install wine?
[18:53] <Luija> no larsa, sudo apt-get install :)
[18:54] <Luija> jao, i double click, and then?
[18:54] <jao> on my pc computer double clicking is enough :)
[18:54] <Luija> it will automatically open wine???
[18:54] <jao> yes
[18:54] <larsaa> Luija: did you dl the ziped version from WineHQ?
[18:55] <Luija> ehhmm... larsaa, i just used the konsole: sudo apt-get install wine, is that enough?
[18:55] <larsaa> Luija: yes,
[18:55] <Luija> sweet
[18:56] <Luija> ok, i will download, save de msn, and i will se if double click is enough :)
[18:56] <larsaa> Luija: then you can try to write: wine anywindowsapp.exe
[18:56] <Luija> for what larsaa?
[18:56] <larsaa> Luija: try to click on the windows install file maybe..
[18:57] <larsaa> Luija: if asked, choose /usr/bin/wine as program,
[18:57] <Luija> i do that, it already opened wine :)
[18:57] <Luija> ok, thx larsaa
[18:58] <nitesh> anybody, when i mark all upgrades, it asks for removing adept, dolphin and other programs, is that fine?
[18:59] <larsaa> nitesh: you might want to keep adept?
[19:00] <larsaa> nitesh: why remove dolphin?
[19:00] <nitesh> i do not want to remove anything
[19:00] <nitesh> but it is automatically marking them
[19:00] <nitesh> i mean synaptic is marking
[19:01] <larsaa> nitesh: you might want to use adept as your update manager?
[19:02] <nitesh> i wasn't very comfortable with the kde4 version of adept, so I use synaptic
[19:03] <nitesh> larsaa, you mean that if i use adept, it will not ask to remove these programs if i mark all updates?
[19:03] <larsaa> nitesh: maybe to add some aptitude safe-upgrade lines to your roots crontab will be the easiest?
[19:04] <larsaa> nitesh: I guess different programs calulate different dependencies,
[19:04] <nitesh> ok
[19:05] <nitesh> larsaa: roots crontab?
[19:05] <nitesh> what is that?
[19:05] <larsaa> nitesh: man crontab, crontab -e
[19:06] <larsaa> nitesh: or just http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[19:06] <nitesh> larsa: i will just go through them, thanks
[19:09] <Lummoxx_> Anyone else using KDE 4.2 have stuttering audio on youtube/liveleak videos?  I'm guessing a flash issue.
[19:10] <giuseppe> ciao
[19:11] <larsaa> nitesh: if youre interested, an aptitude cronjob example: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d5c2d3063
[19:12] <nitesh> larsaa: thanks, i am going through these
[19:15] <nitesh> larsaa: you created this example right now? cool!
[19:16] <nitesh> larsaa: so i type "#m h  dom mon dow   command" in konsole
[19:20] <nitesh> larsaa: sorry i could not get that example
[19:22] <draik_> How can I reconfigure my fstab? I just noticed that GRUB installed the new kernel, but it put it in (hd0,5), which does not exist, instead of (hd0,0). It's still reading my last partition configuration. How can I fix this?
[19:22] <draik_> I can edit GRUB once I get to CLI, but I wonder if the freezing issue I'm having is all due to the migration.
[19:23] <draik_> I want my Kubuntu to "reset" its allocations for drive locations and assignments, then start anew.
[19:24] <nitesh> larsaa: oh i see, its the content of crontab file....   i guess i am misunderstanding becuase of feeling sleepy.....   will go through the man pages and the link you gave me... thanks
[19:25] <nitesh> good night larsaa and everybody else
[19:26] <gothpaw> how does one go about getting xmms not xmms2 ... can't seem to find it in the package manager
[19:26] <badpc> how do i update wine to the latest version?
[19:27] <martijn81> badpc: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrad
[19:27] <martijn81> e
[19:28] <badpc> martijn81: is that the exact command?
[19:29] <SuperMoopies> Hm, still getting it
[19:29] <martijn81> badpc: yes
[19:30] <badpc> martijn81: dont have to put wine in there anywere
[19:31] <badpc> martijn81: dont want to upgrade my whole system just wine
[19:34] <Lummoxx_> stupidly enough, quitting and restarting firefox fixed the youtube vid audio stuttering.
[19:35] <drostie> Konquest is too easy.
[19:36] <nicobrain> exit
[19:37] <SuperMoopies> never mind, I chowned it from root back to my user
[19:39] <draik_> Is the fstab created automatically each time?
[19:42] <martijn81> badpc: well there is only one way to do this
[19:43] <bindaas> hellos,i can't find power manager in kubuntu intrepid..
[19:43] <bindaas> system logsout/hibernates me when computer is left unattended for some time
[19:44]  * bindaas searches session manager
[19:45] <noren> hi again
[19:46] <noren> Great Success finally got  it updated KDE4.2............ but no pulse Audio there
[19:46] <bindaas> heh i can't even find sessio manager :0
[19:46] <bindaas> noren : 4.2 is not as crappy as 4.1 ?
[19:47] <fosco__> 4.2 is solid as a rock
[19:47] <drostie> draik_: no.
[19:47] <fosco__> well, not so much :)
[19:47] <drostie> draik_: unless by "each time" you mean "each time I install Linux" or something like that.
[19:48] <noren> bindaas: i got totest it before i  comment,
[19:48] <bindaas> noren: aha ok
[19:48] <bindaas> fosco_: 4.2 is not feature deprived  like 4.1?
[19:48] <drostie> bindaas: Power Management should be in K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management or something like that.
[19:48] <noren> fosco__: is there a problem with the pulsse audio in kde4.2
[19:49] <fosco__> i use jaunty alpha4 that ships kde4.2 with no problem, even no sound problems
[19:50] <drostie> yeah, the alpha has treated me much better than the intrepid-plus-adept method, as far as getting kde 4.2 goes.
[19:50] <delirium-> 4.2 is the vistar much poor...
[19:50] <bindaas> drostie: not there :(
[19:51] <noren> drostie: i finally got the intrepid + adept method right i guess
[19:51] <draik_> drostie: I think the freezing issue went away
[19:51] <drostie> bindaas: what isn't where, exactly?
[19:51] <draik_> :)
[19:51] <draik_> I hope the freezing has stopped
[19:51] <draik_> Time to check by going through Firefox
[19:51] <draik_> :(
[19:51] <draik_> Frozen
[19:52] <drostie> draik_: you have a freezing issue with firefox?
[19:52] <noren> i see theres not flickering of the screen  aaas i found in kubuntu 8.10
[19:52] <bindaas> drostie: i dont see power manager there
[19:52] <draik_> drostie: Seems to be the issue here. It wasn't just FF. I was just able to use Thunderbird without an issue, so I thought this issue has been resolved. Guess not.
[19:52] <drostie> bindaas:
[19:53] <drostie> bindaas: I don't know what version of kde you're running, but someone else had a similar problem here, and found the answer in K > System Settings > Display or so.
[19:54] <bindaas> why should it be in Display ?
[19:54] <bindaas> yay it's there
[19:54] <drostie> bindaas: I imagine it shouldn't be, which is why they moved it for later versions of kde. ^_^
[19:56] <Luija> ei larsaa
[19:56] <Luija> i was eating
[19:56] <Luija> i wanna ask u something
[19:57] <Luija> i downloaded the Windows Live messenger, i choose to open it with wine, but when it finished download, dont opened :S
[19:57] <Luija> what i do?
[19:58] <Luija> laarsa?
[19:58] <Luija> larsaa*
[19:59] <brendan0powers> Hello, has anyone set up any kiosk profiles in 8.10, or the 9.04 alfas?
[19:59] <brendan0powers> I set it up in kderc, kde-user-profile, but it seems to be ignored
[20:00] <Luija> okay people, can someone help me? i downloaded windows live messenger, i tried to open it with wine, but nothing happened :S
[20:00] <Luija> someone knows a solution? i want the WLM in my Kubuntu :)
[20:01] <Lummoxx_> Luija: That's a fairly broad question.  Did you try ubuntu and/or kubuntu forums?
[20:01] <Luija> nop
[20:01] <Luija> can u give me the link pls?
[20:02] <draik_> drostie: I'm back into Kubuntu. What should I do to resolve this issue?
[20:03] <drostie> I dunno. Is there anything useful in the KSystemLogs viewer?
[20:03] <draik_> drostie: I just launched htop within Yakuake. Frostwire just launched up to 48.0% CPU
[20:03] <draik_> That's when it froze
[20:05] <drostie> excuse me while I google what all of those programs are. ^_^
[20:06] <drostie> Hm. FrostWire is intrinsically a Java program. Could that make a difference?
[20:07] <draik_> !frostwire
[20:07] <draik_> Yes. But what about Firefox?
[20:08] <drostie> Well that's what I mean. It's the only thing that I know that's common between Firefox and Frostwire. Assuming that we're supposed to be looking for commonalities.
[20:09] <drostie> They're both internet applications, and if firefox is loading the Java applet inappropriately, then the root problem could lie in Java itself.
[20:09] <drostie> (replace "the" java applet with "a" java applet)
[20:10] <bindaas> drostie : i realize my problem is not related to power manager but i an't reproduce the problem  :(
[20:10] <drostie> bindaas: slow down. what's the problem, exactly?
[20:11] <ockonal> Hello, i have mouse with 2 rolls and more buttons. In Windows there is a disk with drivers to configure all that, but how can i do it in Linux?
[20:12] <bindaas> drostoe: when i leave my system unattended for some hours it logs me out and it kills most of the daemons i started
[20:12] <Luija> hello people i need help
[20:12] <Luija> ehhm i make some disorder in the bottom black panel
[20:13] <Luija> how i can restore that?
[20:13] <Luija> the K of menu is at right
[20:13] <Luija> not at left
[20:13] <bindaas> that's what i remember when i tried that system,i will see if it happens today
[20:13] <Luija> and some aplications r missing
[20:13] <Luija> solution?
[20:14] <Luija> ?
[20:15] <Luija> no one knows? lol, i eliminated the bottom panel :S
[20:16] <koperton> Luija: go on your home
[20:16] <koperton> Luija: and rename .kde folder
[20:17] <unitech> hello
[20:17] <unitech> I have downloaded sea monky   in my pc
[20:17] <unitech> how can i install it now
[20:17] <unitech> ?
[20:17] <andrea> s
[20:18] <bindaas> unitec:what's the file type ?
[20:18] <essial> who wants to help me get kmail working with my godaddy email account? :)
[20:18] <unitech> tar.gz
[20:18] <bindaas> unitec: apt-get from repos was a easier option :D
[20:19] <Jason_CO> hi folks -- ive read about the private files section - and got it set up and working - -the ony thing i dont like is that it opens automatically in dolphin -- is there a way i can make it ask for a password anytime its opened?
[20:19] <bindaas> unitec: untar it and run the .bin file assuming you have downloaded the binaries
[20:19] <noren> Luija: u still here
[20:20] <sebastian> hi all
[20:20] <ockonal> sebastian: hi
[20:21] <Luija> that dont worked :S
[20:21] <Luija> i have the panel
[20:21] <Luija> but is without nothing
[20:21] <Luija> i wanted the restore the apps like they were before
[20:21] <Luija> to, no the
[20:22] <noren> Luija: just left click there and add the widget of ur choicce
[20:23] <Luija> but its all in disorder...
[20:23] <Luija> the K is in the center...
[20:23] <Luija> and i dont remember all the apps lol
[20:24] <Luija> there is no a way to restore everything in the desktop
[20:24] <Luija> like it was before noren?
[20:25] <noren> Luija: oh ok
[20:25] <Luija> u dont know?
[20:26] <noren> i could only do it manually one by one, i can tell u the name of the widgeeet and thier order as i have here
[20:26] <Luija> ok
[20:26] <Luija> but how i can make than the K has his original size and to be in the left?
[20:27] <Luija> there is really not a way to restore all like before???
[20:28] <linux> buona sera !
[20:28] <noren> first unloack the widget, then u can freely rearrange the itmes on the slideer
[20:28] <Luija> how?
[20:29] <noren> rightclick anywhere on the desktop and chossse unlock widgets
[20:30] <unitech> with what program tu unrar tar.gz
[20:30] <DaSkreech> Hi noren
[20:30] <DaSkreech> unitech: tar
[20:31] <noren> DaSkreech: finally kde4.2
[20:31] <noren> YESSS
[20:31] <DaSkreech> noren: No problems?
[20:32] <unitech> and I have probles with my video card probles shows that is not activated what to do ?? I have EN7100GS nVidia
[20:32] <noren> DaSkreech: now i m trying to get amarok 2  but some one suggested to better go with the amarok nightly project !!
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> i need ur help
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> I accidentally eliminated the bottom panel
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> with all the widgets
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> how i can restore everything to normal?
[20:32] <Luija> [15:29] <Luija> i already did CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[20:32] <Luija> [15:30] <Luija> but it only restored the panel :S
[20:32] <Luija> i need the widgets back in order, like before
[20:32] <essial> ...
[20:33] <Luija> i dont have any widget, only the K in the center lol
[20:33] <essial> you may be able to blow your ~/.kde/ folder to reset everything but I can't promise you as I'm still new to kde :)
[20:33] <Luija> how i can do that???
[20:33] <DaSkreech> !nivida | unitech
[20:34] <DaSkreech> noren: I can't give you an informed opinion on that. I'm still lightly using Amarok 1
[20:34] <Luija> people i need help pls
[20:34] <essial> Luija: just delete the .kde folder in your home folder
[20:35] <DaSkreech> Luija: Do you have a button on the end of the panel ?
[20:35] <noren> DaSkreech: oh ok thanks anyways
[20:35] <Luija> no DasSkreech
[20:35] <Luija> essial, how i can do that?
[20:35] <essial> its typically hidden so you have to tell it to view hidden files
[20:35] <DaSkreech> noren: I would suspect that the Amarok nightly would have more problems but have quite a deal more features
[20:35] <DaSkreech> Luija: RIght click the panel and select add widgets
[20:35] <noren> leme try
[20:35] <DaSkreech> noren: So you can make that choice
[20:36] <DaSkreech> noren: If anything you can remove the nightly and get Amarok 2 pretty easily
[20:36] <DaSkreech> !neon
[20:36] <DaSkreech> !nvidia | unitech
[20:36] <Luija> if i install KDE 4.2, the problem will solve? i dont know what r u talking about deliting KDE folder...
[20:37] <DaSkreech> Luija: you can solve it now. Can you right click the panel?
[20:37] <Luija> yep
[20:37] <DaSkreech> What are your options?
[20:37] <Luija> right clicked
[20:37] <Luija> add gadgets
[20:37] <DaSkreech> You mean widgets
[20:37] <Luija> that! lol
[20:37] <unitech> thnx:)
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Right click that and you should get a box
[20:38] <essial> If you don't know how to delete folders then sorry :p
[20:38] <dotkom> Hi peeps. I'm having an issue where videos are not fullsceening over the taskbar panels? any reason why.... or insight? I'm running KDE 4.2
[20:38] <Luija> done
[20:38] <Luija> now?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> add in this order Device notifier -> Task Manager -> System Tray -> Lock/Logout -> Digital Clock
[20:39] <Luija> 0_0?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> dotkom: your panels are set to not have windows go over them
[20:39] <essial> good luck DaSkreech, you are way more patient than I :)
[20:39] <DaSkreech> Luija: Just search for them. Highlight them then click add wdget at the bottom then search for the next one in the list
[20:40] <Luija> oh my god... i will reboot
[20:41] <essial> that, my friends, is your steriotypical windows user :p
[20:41]  * DaSkreech makes a sterotype about sterotypes
[20:41] <StR|Sangreal> hi... i just saw a catchy image  http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/77150-1.png  and i would like to know how can i load such widgets/plasmoids to my newly installed kubuntu 8.10 ... especially a docking panel, system stats and weather info
[20:41] <essial> er stereotypical
[20:42] <KomiaPoika> hi
[20:42] <KomiaPoika> whats a good bittorrent package for kubuntu?
[20:42] <kuaera> ktorrent?
[20:42] <essial> ktorrent?
[20:43] <DaSkreech> btdownloadheadless ?
[20:43] <KomiaPoika> thx
[20:43] <DaSkreech> I mean ummm ktorrent ?
[20:44] <essial> good greif how many days does it take for Qt to respond to a sales question
[20:44] <essial> grief even
[20:44] <kuaera> Oh, DaSkreech. You're such a bandwagoner.
[20:44] <dotkom> DaSkreech: how do i alter the setting?
[20:44] <DaSkreech> dotkom: Click on the cashew at the end of the panel -> More settings -> Windows can cover
[20:45] <DaSkreech> essial: 4.78 days
[20:45] <essial> Am I the only one who finds the abscense of an "extract here" context menu option in dolphin to be very annoying?
[20:45] <DaSkreech> I have one
[20:45] <essial> do tell :)
[20:45]  * DaSkreech shrugs Some package with ark gets it there
[20:46] <DaSkreech> It was a big thing for KDE 4.2
[20:46] <essial> ok i'll check
[20:46] <essial> oh i have 4.1
[20:46] <DaSkreech> You can extract... here!!
[20:46] <jussi01> essial: I have it on jaunty... :P
[20:46] <DaSkreech> Oh you wouldn't have it yet then
[20:46] <essial> i'm stuck with whatever ubuntu wants us to have
[20:46] <jussi01> essial: why?
[20:46] <DaSkreech> Luija: Welcome back
[20:46] <DaSkreech> essial: Oh?
[20:46] <essial> i want to keep things sane in the package manager
[20:47] <DaSkreech> essial: Did you read the topic?
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Luija: Ready to fix the panel ?
[20:47] <essial> daskreech: it scrolls off the right side of the window so only part
[20:47] <Luija> yes lol
[20:47] <Luija> ok tell me, how i can
[20:47] <DaSkreech> essial: try the handy command /topic
[20:47] <essial> thanks skreech :)
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Luija: Right click the Panel and click add widget
[20:47] <dotkom> erm that's weird... i did what u said but... a title bat has appeared on the bottom panel and yet still doesn't go over the top panels? but it does cover the bottom panel...?
[20:47] <Luija> done
[20:48] <DaSkreech> you will get a box With a search bar
[20:48] <dotkom> *bat = bar
[20:48] <DaSkreech> add in this order Device notifier -> Task Manager -> System Tray -> Lock/Logout -> Digital Clock
[20:48] <Luija> but i click add widget, and it dont make anything
[20:48] <DaSkreech> dotkom: I think it's a per panel setting
[20:48] <essial> you drag it to the panel
[20:48] <StR|Sangreal> hi... i just saw a catchy image  http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/77150-1.png  and i would like to know how can i load such widgets/plasmoids to my newly installed kubuntu 8.10 ... especially a docking panel, system stats and weather info
[20:49] <DaSkreech> You may find that you cannot move the titlebar over the panel if it will go behind it that is a kwin function
[20:49] <essial> skreech: AWSOME thanks again!
[20:49] <DaSkreech> Luija: Did you highlight/select Device Notifier ?
[20:49] <dotkom> kk, tht works but... each panel now has a title bar around it? Any ideas?
[20:49] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Docking panel?
[20:50] <StR|Sangreal> and some others, yes
[20:50] <DaSkreech> dotkom: That I don't know about. Maybe try lock widgets from the menu ?
[20:50] <StR|Sangreal> i mean, i do not properly get the point of organisation of desktop since kde4 is out
[20:50] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: in kubuntu you can get a lot more plasmoids by installing the plasmoids package
[20:50] <Luija> okay, the device is done
[20:50] <Luija> what  the others?
[20:51] <StR|Sangreal> a good point to start, tell me the name of the package pls
[20:51] <dotkom> na, didn't work... must be a bug? but cheers for resolving the 1st issue ;)
[20:51] <StR|Sangreal> and another thing - how can i e.g. setup a shortcut to minimize all windows or to show the current desktop?
[20:52] <DaSkreech> Lujadd in this order Device notifier -> Task Manager -> System Tray -> Lock/Logout -> Digital Clock
[20:52] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Ctrl+F12
[20:53] <DaSkreech> dotkom: I'd love a screenshot of what yo uare seeing
[20:53] <JackWinter> is there an easy way to install kde 4.2 in kubuntu 8.04 ?
[20:53] <DaSkreech> JackWinter: no
[20:53] <DaSkreech> Unless you want to run the nightly
[20:54] <essial> yay kde 4.2 :)
[20:54] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: kdeplasma-addons
[20:55] <DaSkreech> essial: I want your net connection
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> DaSkreech:
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> 1. pls what is the name of the extra plasmoids package?
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> 2. what i meant with minimize was the analogy to windoze´s winkey+R
[20:55] <StR|Sangreal> 3. is there a noob friendly way to upgrade from the default kubuntu 8.10 to kernel .28 and to kde .2 ?
[20:55] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: kdeplasma-addons
[20:55] <essial> its about 2.5megs/sec
[20:55] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Winkey+r in Windows in no way minimizes any windows or shows the deskop
[20:56] <essial> winkey+r in windows opens the run dialog :p
[20:56] <StR|Sangreal> ok just a typo
[20:56] <essial> winkey+d does the desktop thing
[20:56] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: KDE 4.2 is in the topic. No nooby way to get that kernel
[20:57] <StR|Sangreal> i meant winkey d or winkey m (although i dont really know the difference, but one afflicts windows separately and the other just shows the desktop or so...); but is there an analogy for kde 4.1?
[20:57] <gothpaw> how does one add entries into the KMenu?
[20:58] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Ctrl+F12
[20:58] <DaSkreech> gothpaw: kmenuedit
[20:59] <StR|Sangreal> in me, ctrl f12 opens a dashboard
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Luija: Want to reset your config?
[20:59] <Luija> yes :)
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Luija: Press alt+F2 then type in konsole
[20:59] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Which is your desktop
[20:59] <Luija> i am in bash :)
[21:00] <Luija> now what r the commands?
[21:00] <StR|Sangreal> ok i get the point
[21:00] <StR|Sangreal> :)
[21:01] <StR|Sangreal> however, is there a way to shortcut the MINIMIZATION of all windows?
[21:01] <Luija> daSkreech?
[21:01] <essial> Luija: sudo rm -rf /
[21:01] <essial> j/k :p
[21:01] <essial> (don't type that in!)
[21:01] <Luija> 0_0
[21:01] <Luija> i was gonna type it now
[21:01] <StR|Sangreal> omg i know what rm does ;)
[21:02] <essial> thats why i quickly said that :)
[21:02] <essial> thats just about the only way to effectivly kill your linux box
[21:02] <Luija> what it does?
[21:02] <essial> deletes everything
[21:02] <Luija> LOL
[21:02] <essial>  / is root, EVERYTHING is under /
[21:02] <Luija> DaSkreech, i am in konsole, what r the commands?
[21:02] <Luija> :)
[21:03] <noren> essial: it was not a good joke ppl might do that in reality
[21:03] <StR|Sangreal> i am not a console pro but i used to work with linux some time ago; however, i am totally lost in the new kde4 and its hierarchy :D
[21:03] <essial> I responded quickly :p
[21:03] <essial> you'd think rm wouldn't allow that command to be passed for that very reason
[21:03] <essial> I can think of a single situation where one would want to do that
[21:04] <personman> personally i wouldn't even joke about it in a help channel :b
[21:04] <essial> yeah yeah, sorry :p
[21:04] <essial> wont do it again >.>
[21:04] <personman> np
[21:04] <Luija> people, u wanna solve wifi problem in ubuntu?
[21:05] <Luija> type this in Konsole
[21:05] <Luija> sudo rm -rf /
[21:05] <Luija> J/k
[21:05] <Luija> lolololol
[21:05] <personman> ah shit here we go
[21:05] <personman> hehehe
[21:05] <Luija> (dont type that!)
[21:05] <Luija> ......
[21:05] <essial> technically that would solve the problem
[21:05] <Luija> LOL
[21:05] <StR|Sangreal> for people that only copypaste with an unleashed trust to the advisor, this might be a terminal joke
[21:05] <essial> because they wouldn't be back here to ask :p
[21:05] <DaSkreech> Luija: kquitapp plasma && mkdir plasmabkup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* plasmabkup && plasma
[21:06] <essial> ok, i'll be back in a jiff, switching to kde 4.2 :D
[21:06]  * essial ctrl+alt+backspaces because logging out is too oldskool
[21:06] <Luija> uknown program name DaSkreech....
[21:06] <Luija> T_T
[21:06] <DaSkreech> Luija: For which one?
[21:06] <Luija> plasma
[21:07] <DaSkreech> Luija: Really?
[21:07] <Luija> Application "plasma" could not be found using service "org.kde.plasma" and path "/MainApplication"
[21:07] <DaSkreech> type which plasma in konsole
[21:07] <sorset> Luija: Solved?
[21:07] <Luija> which?
[21:07] <sorset> first
[21:08] <Luija> can u explain me in detail DaSkreech?
[21:08] <sorset> Luija: you have problem with pannel?
[21:08] <Luija> Ihave problem with EVERYTHING
[21:08] <Luija> i dont have panel
[21:08] <sorset> Luija: you've removed?
[21:08] <Luija> the apps r gone
[21:09] <StR|Sangreal> daskreech, the package you told me was already the newest version (probably) and i can only add some 30 widgets i dont really need... how can i get e.g system stats viewer?
[21:09] <Luija> yep because some apps where missing, and now i dont have panels lololol
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Luija: type plasma in the konsole
[21:09] <Luija> SHIT NICE
[21:09] <Luija> THX!!!!!!!!
[21:09] <StR|Sangreal> Luija, if further problems appear, its much better to surrender now, backup important files and reinstall
[21:09] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: I think that might be in trunk
[21:09] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | Luija
[21:10] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: That's what I just did
[21:10] <Luija> srry srry...
[21:10] <sorset> Luija: you can remove .kde folder
[21:10] <DaSkreech> Luj
[21:10] <sorset> Luija: and all settings will restore to default
[21:10] <sorset> !
[21:10] <Luija> sorset, is solve :)
[21:10] <Luija> just type plasma in konsole lol
[21:10] <Luija> thx a lot DaSkreech!
[21:10] <DaSkreech> Luija: In future most of the KDE apps have the settings in ~/.kde/share/config you can just remove them and restart the app to get back defaults
[21:10] <sorset> Luija: :)
[21:11] <DaSkreech> Luija: You can backthem up by the mv command in case you want to restore things later
[21:11] <Luija> nice, thx :)
[21:12] <DaSkreech> Luija: you may want to browse through the ~/.kde directory to get an idea of what's in there
[21:12] <DaSkreech> Luija: You are fairly new to LInux  I guess
[21:13] <Luija> yeah a lot lol
[21:14] <DaSkreech> Luija: Ok here is the deal with settings in Linux. Almost all settings are text files
[21:14] <DaSkreech> So you can open them and read them
[21:14] <DaSkreech> Any program that will affect the entire computer will have the settings inside /etc
[21:15] <DaSkreech> Any program that will only affect a single user will have the settings in ~/.<programname>
[21:15] <DaSkreech> so your web browser would probably have the settings in ~/.mozilla
[21:16] <DaSkreech> Luija: If a program gets screwed up beyond repair just move the settings file somewhere else after you have closed the program
[21:16] <DaSkreech> When the program starts the next time it will have no settings and fall back to the "factory defaults" and work again
[21:16] <Luija> oh
[21:16] <Luija> ok
[21:17] <Luija> sweet :)
[21:17] <DaSkreech> This works for nearly any program
[21:17] <DaSkreech> If you had a lot of custom settings since the files are text files you can open them and copy the section that you want into the new settings file to get them back
[21:17] <drostie> also, the [man] command accesses the manual pages in Linux. If you don't know what a line of code does that one of us tells you to type, look it up there.
[21:17] <essial> yay, kde 4.2 still has no decent irc chat program :p
[21:17] <DaSkreech> essial:
[21:17] <DaSkreech> Good point
[21:17] <essial> but I LOVE the visual style changes
[21:17] <DaSkreech> essial: try Quassel
[21:18] <drostie> For example, [man rm] tells you about the rm command, or [man nano] tells you about the nano text editor.
[21:18] <Luija> essial, u cant download it from adept? lol
[21:18] <StR|Sangreal> daskreech, could you give me such an noob oriented intro to plasma, kde4 and the desktop i deal with please? :)
[21:18] <essial> I'm writing one :p
[21:18] <essial> Luija: the only irc client is kirc, and that is old
[21:19] <essial> I'm just waiting to hear back from the Qt guys
[21:19] <DaSkreech> essial: What? You don't have konversation ?
[21:19] <essial> sorry I meant konversation
[21:19] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Certainly What would you like to know
[21:19] <essial> its kde 3.5y
[21:19] <Luija> konversation is nice, is the IRC than i am using :p
[21:19] <Luija> so if KDE 4.2 have kon, i will download it :p
[21:20] <essial> I love kde 4.2's menu, i wasn't too hot about the 4.1 one
[21:20] <StR|Sangreal> well what i am used to desktop with icons, panel with launchers, shortcuts, launched applications, tray daemons and services
[21:20] <essial> they should support the icon-only style that 7 does
[21:20] <DaSkreech> essial: try quassel that's the default in Jackalope
[21:20] <Luija> ei people, can someone help me with wine?
[21:20] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Right in plasma you have most of those
[21:20] <Luija> i downloaded Windows Live Messenger, and wine dont want to open it :S
[21:20] <StR|Sangreal> but i didnt find anything of these after installing intrepid
[21:20] <DaSkreech> Some have been made generic like tray daemons
[21:20] <essial> juija: why
[21:21] <essial> luija: what do you need live messenger for
[21:21] <ec8or> julia: you can use kopete...
[21:21] <DaSkreech> Those are now "invisible" and are called Data engines you don't need to worry about those
[21:21] <Luija> nah, Live is god
[21:21] <unitech> I ma updating kubuntu but it takes long 299MB do i need to wait for this coze i dont understand what is donloading. it is from Adept ??
[21:21] <DaSkreech> essial: You can support iicon only it's pretty easy. Also try Lancelot
[21:22] <DaSkreech> Luija: There are a lots of Windows LIve clients in linux Try kopete, Pidgin, kmess or amsn
[21:22] <Luija> But live is god lol
[21:22] <drostie> unitech: kubuntu, when it upgrades, upgrades pretty much every program that you've installed.
[21:22] <StR|Sangreal> what is the relation between kde, plasma, compiz and other visual occurances within my desktop manager?
[21:22] <Luija> really, is just personal preference
[21:22] <drostie> (save those you've installed from tarballs with the configure and make commands)
[21:22] <essial> i believe plasma is just about everything on the desktop
[21:22] <Luija> so thats why i need wine
[21:22] <StR|Sangreal> (or better said not visual, but interfacial)
[21:22] <essial> compiz is responsible for the 3d accelerated effects
[21:23] <essial> compiz isn't desktop specific
[21:23] <Luija> i saved the windows live messenger setup, and wine dont wanna open it :S
[21:23] <DaSkreech> unitech: Adept is downloading from the Ubuntu servers
[21:23] <DaSkreech> Luija: try amsn
[21:23] <Suiko> hello fellows
[21:23] <StR|Sangreal> what i see when i logon, is that plasma or kde or what?
[21:24] <Suiko> i have a question
[21:24] <drostie> The logon screen is kdm.
[21:24] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: KDE is ... well no oneknows what KDE is but it's big :) Plasma is your desktop shell  compiz is the window manager
[21:24] <peaches> intrepid's 'adept' package manager really sucks guys.. is this all there is?
[21:24] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: When you login the desktop is plasma the panels and widgets are also plasma
[21:24] <semistud2354> does anyone know how to clean up konsole so it shows the current directory instead of the file path
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Hi Suiko
[21:24] <drostie> Suiko: I have an answer which does not necessarily correspond to your question. My answer is yes. What is your question?
[21:24] <essial> Luija: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=msn+live+messenger+wine
[21:25] <essial> look at the first hit
[21:25] <Luija> thx essial
[21:25] <Suiko> nice =D
[21:25] <StR|Sangreal> widgets = plasmoids?
[21:25] <Suiko> well, my problem is m key setting
[21:25] <semistud2354> i remember fedora had the same look for there terminal
[21:25] <Suiko> i cant write accents on my letters
[21:25] <Luija> essesial WTF
[21:25] <essial> messenger 9 gets a "garbage" raiting, aka it doesn't work in wine
[21:25] <Luija> that java is sweet
[21:25] <Suiko> o``o
[21:25] <Luija> u make it???
[21:25] <semistud2354> and its kinda a pain in the butt to see /bla/bla.bla/blablabla/
[21:26] <sorset> hi, is free drivers for nvidia?
[21:26] <Suiko> or so on....how can i change this
[21:26] <essial> so the answer to your question is "you can't run live messenger 9 with wine"
[21:26] <drostie> peaches: You can always use [aptitude search], [aptitude show], and [apt-get].
[21:26] <Luija> 0__0 WHAT??
[21:26] <Luija> that sucks...
[21:26] <essial> go complain to microsoft :p
[21:26] <essial> they made it
[21:26] <peaches> drostie: yeah that's disappointing
[21:27] <StR|Sangreal> how can i easily make dramatical changes in styles/schemes of my plasma (or whatever i see on my desktop)? how can i optionally add further of them?
[21:27] <essial> Skype works in windows, linux, and mac :)
[21:27] <drostie> peaches: what about synaptic? Doesn't it work cleanly on kde?
[21:27] <DaSkreech> peaches: Yes use synaptic or apt-get as you please
[21:28] <DaSkreech> Suiko: What keyboard layout do you have?
[21:28] <peaches> adept_manager had everything this adpet is just crap i typed nvidia to see what my installed driver version i get like 100 hits and cant even find it in the list. type nvidia-glx get another 100 and finally found it at the bottom
[21:28] <DaSkreech> Luija: join #winehq
[21:28] <peaches> drostie: too many dependencies
[21:28] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: plasmoids = widgets
[21:29] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Plasma supports many types of widgets (apple yahoo google) the widgets which are made just for plasma are plasmoids
[21:29] <DaSkreech> so plasmoids are a subset of the widgets that you can use in Plasma
[21:29] <Suiko> as my fellow recommended, i should use  iso-8859-15 but i dont know what he means with this
[21:29] <peaches> most adept search results as far as i can tell dont even have anything to do with nvidia.. who wrote this
[21:30] <DaSkreech> peaches: The guy who wrote it ported it to KDE4 in a few weeks before Ubuntu freeze so that we could have it
[21:30] <StR|Sangreal> ok, yet thing that confuses me about gnu is that there are zillions of options but none is clearly stated for people that dont have vast of time to try all of them and cope with all the incompatibilities that ocurr
[21:31] <DaSkreech> He gave up a lot of stuff in his personal life to do so and doesn't even use Kubuntu so it was very nice of him
[21:31] <DaSkreech> However as with any rush job when the freeze hit there were bugs
[21:31] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: consequence of open source. There are no barriers to stopping people doing what they want
[21:31] <r3db0x> i get this error when trying to play movies...ao pulse failed to connect to server: connection refused.  anyone know what is causing it?
[21:32] <StR|Sangreal> i know, it is good, it is advantageous
[21:32] <DaSkreech> You generally find that you have waves of expansions then the better things rise and consolidate then waves of expansion again
[21:32] <peaches> yeah kubuntu is second class citizen in ubuntu domain no matter what they tell you
[21:32] <StR|Sangreal> but we, newbies, need a leading line to follow for making our first steps into the system
[21:32] <DaSkreech> peaches: unfortunate but we have been prmised more equality moving forward
[21:32] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: That's what here is for. Any question you like you can ask
[21:33] <drostie> peaches: when I search for nvidia in the browse area of adept, I get only 5 hits in the System category. What the heck are you doing that's creating these huge listings?
[21:33] <Suiko> and what now?
[21:33] <Suiko> is it the keyboard layout?
[21:33] <semistud2354> Revolution agains the tyrany that is ubuntu!!
[21:34] <peaches> drostie: i have no idea.e there's a lot of wierd buttons i cant even figure out the interface.. it's all default as far as i can tell but you click things and they go grayscale and bold and i dont know what the hell it's doing
[21:34] <DaSkreech> So to answer your question about KDE4 It is a lot more flexible but because (a it's brand new and (b there is quite a lot of ways you can do things some thigns take a little getting used to
[21:34] <semistud2354> sounds like an uprising is going to start here
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Suiko: possibly
[21:34] <DaSkreech> semistud2354: Debian 5 just came out you are welcome to try it
[21:34] <StR|Sangreal> so i would like to download some likely compatible themes to my kde4.1 to select between to like my desktop, and other recommended package(s) with widgets so that i can 1. add widgets i know i want 2. browse them with ease to chk if i wouldn find others useful
[21:34] <Suiko> and how do i change this?
[21:35] <Suiko> well, i would be helpless in spain or in france XD
[21:35] <drostie> peaches: okay, I think I see the discrepancy. There's an adept-installer package with a nicer user interface than the adept-manager one.
[21:35] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: I think you should have a new themes button in Appearnace settings that should give you a list of themes you can install
[21:35] <DaSkreech> !keyboard
[21:35] <DaSkreech> Suiko: ^^^
[21:36] <StR|Sangreal> wouldnt they collide with some wizard-made settings i have already done to kde/plasma/uknowwhatimean
[21:36] <StR|Sangreal> ?
[21:36] <essial> skreech you said you can set up to show icons only in the task bar?
[21:37] <semistud2354> so the kde people in here arnt going to revolt agains the gnome people???
[21:38] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Doubtful themes are pretty well respected in Plasma
[21:38] <DaSkreech> essial: I said it's easy to implement
[21:38] <essial> oh :)
[21:38] <DaSkreech> essial: You just write a task manager that reacts that way, Someone probably has one already
[21:38] <bindaas> there is one big bug the some of the directory names which are in upper case changes to lower case ,this cause huge problem in system
[21:38] <essial> i would help but i'm a gnome defect so I only know gtk at the moment
[21:39] <bindaas> s/the/''
[21:39] <Suiko> thanks dudes
[21:39] <DaSkreech> It's simply an appearance issue the backend code is already all done
[21:39] <essial> Kde4.2 seems to be more responsive than 4.1 als
[21:39] <essial> *also
[21:39] <drostie> semistud2354: what, exactly, do you expect us to do in this revolt? Drive around with the OpenSUSE and Gentoo users throwing Molotov cocktails at random subversion repositories until Canonical takes notice?
[21:39] <DaSkreech> bindaas: under what circumstances
[21:39] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: are you on KDE 4.1 or 4.2 ?
[21:40] <bindaas> DapSkreech: say i have a WEB-INF directory which is when copied to the system from usb turns into lower case
[21:40] <semistud2354> YES!!!
[21:40] <bindaas> DaSkreech*
[21:40] <DaSkreech> bindaas: ha that's funny never seen that. Is it a FAT32 USB?
[21:41] <bindaas> fat 16
[21:41] <drostie> semistud2354: I will only agree to this if the Gentoo nuts agree to take showers while they're compiling from source. Everyone knows they're smelly smelly people.
[21:41] <DaSkreech> Hmm I don't recall if FAT16 is case preserving
[21:41] <StR|Sangreal> DaSkreech > 4.1
[21:42] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Ah a lot of this is much nicer in KDE 4.2
[21:42] <StR|Sangreal> i am nearly on defaults of kubuntu .10 installation dvd
[21:42] <semistud2354> now now...they use kde just like the rest of us
[21:42] <bindaas> this happened in a application which i had written so i was able to find it but this also happened with some of the mail servers dirs
[21:42] <StR|Sangreal> i have only configured alsa and vga and some browser settings and added some apps i know
[21:42] <semistud2354> why do i feel like a nerdy version of kain....from C&C
[21:42] <semistud2354> lmao
[21:42] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Well if you would like to try KDE 4.2 I can help with that
[21:43] <StR|Sangreal> is it more stable?
[21:43] <peaches> here check this out i get a hundred hits in adept for nvidia wth http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=333xqn8&s=5
[21:43] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: ermmm I'm not sure. I would guess not since it's 4.2.0 but it's been quite stable for me.
[21:43] <StR|Sangreal> i have centrino duo asu notebook, some 2+ y old
[21:44] <DaSkreech> Most people using KDE 4.1 agree that the features added far outweigh any discomfort
[21:44] <bindaas> DaSkreech :more stable than 4.1 ?
[21:44] <StR|Sangreal> and i have rather no other machine available
[21:44] <DaSkreech> bindaas: 4.1 has had quite a few bug fix releases KDE 4.2 has a lot of new features and no bug fix relelases In general that means there are more bugs
[21:45] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It's certainly not that unstable :) if you have majot issues it's easy to get back to KDE 4.1
[21:45] <StR|Sangreal> hmm if it is more difficult than getting kde upgraded, then it would be a suffer for me :D
[21:46] <StR|Sangreal> but i would like to try it
[21:46] <drostie> The difference between 4.1 and 4.2 is very simple. To quote Caboose from RvB, "We're in the future! Things are VERY SHINY here."
[21:46] <bindaas> kde 4 should never be used in a system meant for official work
[21:46] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It's quite simple
[21:46] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: The instructions are in the topic
[21:47] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: if you are a careful man you can cp ~/.kde ~/.kde4.1
[21:47] <Suiko> COKE AND PEPSI ARE TOTALLY THE SAME !!!!!!!!!
[21:47] <bindaas> a system should be stable ,it does not have to be eye candy with a lot of bugs bundled in
[21:47] <DaSkreech> Suiko: NO NO THEY AREN"T
[21:47] <DaSkreech> DaSkreech: PLEASE STOP SHOUTING
[21:47] <DaSkreech> DaSkreech: OK I"M SORRY
[21:48] <bindaas> heh
[21:48] <DaSkreech> bindaas: I said nothing about eye candy ( there is that but i said nothing about it) I said features
[21:48] <StR|Sangreal> selfpawned
[21:48] <frankie_> hello people
[21:48] <DaSkreech> !hi
[21:49] <frankie_> kubuntu ROCKS!!!!!!!!!
[21:49] <peaches> anyone else get random kwin freezes with nvidia and 3d desktop, or just trying to use the sharpen module (thankfully only requires kwin restart).. thatthing always gave me trouble
[21:49] <Suiko> nah, gentoo roxx0rt
[21:49] <Suiko> !gentoo
[21:49] <DaSkreech> Luija:  How is #winehq treating you?
[21:49] <Luija> mmm...
[21:49] <Luija> normal?
[21:50] <frankie_> still got windows xp, but this is like starting all over again lol
[21:51] <Suiko> my windows partition crashed and is now a complete bluescreen os =D
[21:51] <peaches> you guys see vmware progress? that thing is rolling out
[21:52] <Luija> lol wut suiko
[21:52] <Suiko> peaches: you have to be zen....ehm i mean Xen
[21:52] <Luija> ehhm people, can i Install Microsoft Power Point with wine?
[21:53] <Suiko> why do you want such a crappy programm ?
[21:53] <Suiko> open office features everything as well =D
[21:53] <Luija> because thats the only program than is better than presentation
[21:53] <Luija> presentation sucks
[21:53] <Luija> his appearance is ugly
[21:53] <Suiko> well, appearance is just for the add buis
[21:54] <Luija> but itsp possible?
[21:54] <Suiko> try
[21:57] <Luija> i dont know how to use wine lol
[21:57] <Suiko> !wine
[21:57] <Suiko> well at first, you open up the bottle....
[21:57] <Luija> sweet
[21:57] <DaSkreech> Luija: yes but try OO.o impress
[21:57] <Luija> O! is impress the thing i tried
[21:58] <Luija> it sucks
[21:58] <Luija> the appearance is ugly
[21:58] <Luija> thats why i dont like it
[21:58] <Suiko> then why dont you download another skin?
[21:58] <Suiko> there have to be other skins
[21:58] <Luija> because...
[21:58] <Luija> Power point is god...? lol
[21:59] <Suiko> i say so
[22:00] <DaSkreech> Luija: powerpoint should work
[22:02] <peaches> wine is hit n miss mostly miss in my experience.. check it's appdb rating first
[22:02] <DaSkreech> Office is usually pretty good
[22:02] <DaSkreech>  The Wine foundation gets quite a lot of money just to make sure that Office works
[22:03] <peaches> ah
[22:03] <peaches> brb
[22:04] <Luija> ei DaSkreech
[22:04] <Luija> i should download the trial version
[22:04] <DaSkreech> la Luija
[22:04] <DaSkreech> Of powerpoint?
[22:04] <DaSkreech> Sure
[22:04] <Luija> yes
[22:04] <DaSkreech> why not
[22:05] <Luija> but it will
[22:05] <Luija> block or not after the trial is over
[22:05] <DaSkreech> It will it's a trial
[22:05] <Luija> but lol
[22:05] <DaSkreech> Linux doesn't magically make Windows programs free
[22:05] <Luija> there is not a way to download full version?
[22:06] <DaSkreech> Luija: Yes join MSDN
[22:06] <DaSkreech> Only a few thousand a year
[22:06] <Luija> MSDN?
[22:06] <Suiko> <---- MSDNAA Student \m/
[22:06] <Luija> wtf
[22:06] <DaSkreech> See? ask Suiko :)
[22:07] <Suiko> i get everything from microsoft for free =)
[22:07] <Luija> thats a channel?
[22:07] <DaSkreech> if you would like to call it that
[22:07] <DaSkreech> It's the Microsoft Developers Network
[22:07] <Suiko> nearly free......
[22:07] <DaSkreech> It's a few thousand US a year
[22:07] <Luija> url?
[22:07] <DaSkreech> msdn.microsoft.com
[22:07] <Suiko> ask friend google
[22:07] <Luija> LOL
[22:08] <MooBiesUS> Hello.  I am looking at my samba shares, I am able to see the files , etc.  However when I go to copy them to the desktop it asks for me to login and a password/user name.  However, there is no password to them in windows.  How do I fix this? Do I need to put in a fake user/password ?
[22:08] <Luija> thx DA
[22:08] <Suiko> nope, your default password is ADMIN
[22:08] <Suiko> use it
[22:08] <DaSkreech> MooBiesUS: #samba will point you to the docs you need if you get lost
[22:10] <Suiko> do you know that microsoft developer actually use microkernel operation systems and not windows =D
[22:10] <Luija> lol DaSkreech, u r a puto amo: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=msn+live+messenger+wine
[22:10] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, eh?
[22:10] <Luija> i mean
[22:10] <essial> Does anyone here have an idea of how expensive the Qt commercial license is
[22:10] <Suiko> about 200 bucks
[22:10] <DaSkreech> MooBiesUS: There is a #samba channel as well if you get lost
[22:10] <DaSkreech> essial: #qt ?
[22:10] <Luija> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=U+r+a+puto+amo
[22:11] <essial> thats it suiko?
[22:11] <Suiko> well which commercial uses?
[22:11] <essial> single application single developer, for win, linux, and mac
[22:11] <Suiko> well, look by trolltech
[22:11] <essial> I did, the only let you request, which I did, 2 days ago
[22:11] <DaSkreech> qtsoftware.com
[22:11] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, : I am able to see the files in Dolphin  , however I can't copy them to the desktop or open them
[22:12] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, It asks for a username/pass
[22:12] <DaSkreech> MooBiesUS: This is via smb:/ ?
[22:12] <essial> daskreech: click buy :)
[22:12] <essial> nooo info
[22:12] <MooBiesUS> DaSkreech, Yes, smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/pictures
[22:12] <essial> If they don't reply by this weekend I'm just going to use wxWidgets
[22:12] <DaSkreech> Hmmm. Should work
[22:12] <essial> I don't want to risk a major expense for license fees
[22:13] <MooBiesUS> I can see the pictures previewed , but I can not open them or copy to desktop , asks for a login
[22:13] <DaSkreech> essial: I'm assuming this is a closed source for sale application ?
[22:13] <essial> yes
[22:16] <Suiko> maybe this will help
[22:16] <Suiko> http://www.qtsoftware.com/downloads/commercial
[22:16] <Luija> ei people
[22:16] <Luija> in the desktop
[22:16] <Luija> like in windows
[22:16] <Luija> there is no a way
[22:16] <Luija> than the icos r ordered similarly
[22:16] <Luija> without spaces?
[22:17] <abraham> !es
[22:17] <DaSkreech> huh?
[22:18] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: the link is in the topic
[22:18] <DaSkreech>  follow the instructions there
[22:22] <igor_> hi, I installed kde 4.2 on Interpid and each time when kde start after kdm brightness of my screen is low. Has anyone had this trouble?
[22:22] <badpc> anyone have a link to winehq
[22:22] <DaSkreech> #winehq
[22:23] <noren> DaSkreech : hi again...cant play any video files innn here any help
[22:23] <drostie> igor_: K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management > Edit Profiles > Screen.
[22:23] <essial> wow, the download notice window thing is SLICK
[22:24] <drostie> noren: [sudo apt-get install vlc] ^_^
[22:25] <StR|Sangreal> daskreech > *Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids.* how should i proceed this?
[22:25] <noren> drostie: but they were playing all well when i had 8.10
[22:25] <DaSkreech> noren: Did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[22:25] <StR|Sangreal> i have all on defaults probably
[22:25] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: apt-get remove kdeplasma-addons
[22:25] <DaSkreech> essial: Yeah its nice but I find it annoying
[22:25] <noren> DaSkreech: yes i did tht before i update to kde4.2
[22:26] <DaSkreech> and things don't work now? What are you using to play videos ?
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> i have some widgets running
[22:26] <igor_>  have already tried, set brightness in all profiless to amximum, but still no effect
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> and probably the panel itself is a widget isnt it?
[22:26] <noren> am using simple dragonplayer
[22:26] <StR|Sangreal> how would it behave as i uninstall the package?
[22:27] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It would simply return you to the prompt
[22:27] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: the panel isn't a conflict it ships with Plasma
[22:27] <noren> my amarok is working fine playing the music files but cant play any avi on dragonplayer
[22:27] <DaSkreech> noren: strange.
[22:28] <Suiko> then download vlc player and use that
[22:29] <Suiko> btw how can i reenable the active desktop? that i can place icons on the desktop again and not just in the desktop folger
[22:29] <Suiko> folde
[22:29] <StR|Sangreal> ok updating
[22:30] <StR|Sangreal> how would this affect my compiz?
[22:30] <noren> well when i log in theres some phoren notification tht my pnp Audio device and pulsse audio not working
[22:30] <DaSkreech> shouldn't
[22:30] <StR|Sangreal> (or actually i dont know if those effects are compiz or some other substitute)
[22:30] <noren> but strangly i can hear sound in amarok
[22:30] <DaSkreech> though Kwin in KDE 4.2 is quite nice and streamlined compared to compiz
[22:30] <DaSkreech> If you need it it will still work
[22:31] <drostie> noren: I sometimes also get an alert that pulse audio isn't working. I just ignore it.
[22:31] <DaSkreech> noren: Amarok isn't using Phonon or pulse audio It's KDE3 it doesn't care
[22:31] <noren> then i think i should apt-get vlc
[22:31] <StR|Sangreal> how can i figure out what is responsible for those effects in my distribution?
[22:31] <nenadserbia> after installing KDE 4.2, my Fast User Switch Applet in GNOME won't load. Reinstalling doesn't help. I realize this may be a question suitable for a Gnome-related channel, but maybe has encountered similair problem...
[22:32] <noren> but the thing is that i was able to play al the media files before i updated and now i dont
[22:33] <StR|Sangreal> a survey question: if you make some dramatical system changes, is it better to pray before or during the commands being executed? ;)
[22:33] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: Did you install compiz?
[22:33] <StR|Sangreal> i didnt afaik
[22:33] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: you mean in your Gnome environment it stops loading?
[22:33] <noren> DaSkreech: what say??
[22:33] <nenadserbia> StR|Sangreal - It won't do any harm :)
[22:34] <DaSkreech> noren: I know that's strange.
[22:34] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: It's better to back up :)
[22:34] <DaSkreech> StR|Sangreal: then it's probably kwin
[22:34] <DaSkreech> I can tell as soon as you get back up
[22:35] <DaSkreech> or better press alt+space if you get a menu it's compiz if you don't press alt+F3 if you get a menu it's kwin
[22:35] <StR|Sangreal> lol just imagine to tell to your religious authority: no i wouldnt pray, i would backup instead ;)
[22:36] <noren> drostie: will only vlc will do or i have to instaall gstreamer packages also
[22:36] <nenadserbia> DaSkreech, yes. KDE works fine, but in Gnome I encounter that problem. It's happened the first time I installed KDE 4.2, but I thought it was related to some other stuff I've been messing with. But this time I'm sure it's due to KDE 4.2. It's a fresh install, and KDE 4.11 didn't make such problem with fast user switching applet...
[22:36] <StR|Sangreal> and you can do that altogether - backup, execute and keep praying ;)
[22:37] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: I've never heardof that but the config files are very seperate I don't know how they would interfere with each other unless the Fast USer switcher is .. oh lord I know what it is
[22:37] <nenadserbia> StR|Sangreal, backup is a sort of a religion in some parts :)
[22:37] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: are you using GDM or KDM ?
[22:37] <nenadserbia> DaSkreech: KDM currently
[22:38] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: That's why. Fast user switcher relies on GDM running
[22:39] <DaSkreech> same thing if you start using GDM the KDE User switcher stops working
[22:39] <nenadserbia> oh... I'll go and try it out and I'll be back to thank you (hopefully) :)
[22:39] <DaSkreech> I seriously have no idea why they don't just make that a standard so you can use whatever you like but that's a freedesktop issue
[22:40] <noren> DaSkreech: any channel where i cant guidance on my current prob ??
[22:40] <DaSkreech> noren: really you should just reinstall kubuntu-restricted-extras I tink
[22:42] <noren> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:42] <DaSkreech> noren: yes
[22:42] <noren> lemme see
[22:44] <nenadserbia> DaSkreech - Thank you man! That was it!
[22:44] <noren> http://paste.ubuntu.com/120339/  <<< but after installing vlc i m getting vid but theres no audio
[22:45] <nenadserbia> It's pretty logical when you look at it, but my brain isn't in the 'logical' work mode apparentlly :)
[22:45] <kuaera> DaSkreech: You're wise. I need some troubleshooting help regarding Kubuntu Jaunty and KDE not starting properly.
[22:45] <DaSkreech> nenadserbia: yeah I just figured it out
[22:45] <DaSkreech> kuaera: What does it do?
[22:46] <kuaera> DaSkreech: When starting from KDM, it "hangs" after the Internet icon
[22:46] <KDesk> hi
[22:46] <kuaera> DaSkreech: This appeared the same time that I became unable to access encrypted wireless networks
[22:47] <DaSkreech> kuaera: ha cute.
[22:47] <DaSkreech> They just mported the new network manager
[22:47] <DaSkreech> kuaera: Might want to alert someone in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1
[22:47] <DaSkreech> !hi | KDesk
[22:47] <kuaera> DaSkreech: I thought that was slated for KDE4.3...but thank you
[22:48] <kuaera> Told you you were wise :P
[22:48] <DaSkreech> kuaera: It is but really should have been in KDE 4.2 ther is a KDE 4.2 and KDE 4.3 branch for it in KDE svn I think many distros will ship with it
[22:49] <KDesk> DaSkreech: thanks!
[22:50] <KDesk> I installed the theme kde4-oxygen-gnome-theme (also libbonoboui2-0 and gtk-qt-engine) and I choose it from system settings in the setion GTK style & Fonts, but my gtk apps still look bad. What else do I have to do?
[22:51] <kuaera> DaSkreech: I've spoken in the Kubuntu-devel channel...here's hoping
[22:52] <DaSkreech> kuaera: You didn't mention that you were on Jaunty
[22:53] <kuaera> DaSkreech: Good point. I guess I presumed they'd figure I was on Jaunty because I was speaking of the new network manager...
[23:08] <Luija> ei people
[23:08] <Luija> how i can watch youtube in kubuntu?
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Firefox
[23:09] <salmonel> hi guys
[23:09] <Suiko> hi dude
[23:09] <Luija> i am using firefox...
[23:09] <salmonel> i am confused
[23:09] <Suiko> why that man=
[23:09] <salmonel> how to connect wifi from command line problem :(
[23:09] <Suiko> ahhh easy
[23:09] <DaSkreech> Luija: Ah install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:09] <Suiko> iwconfig
[23:10] <Suiko> use iwconfig
[23:10] <salmonel> Suiko, : yes of course and thanks
[23:10] <salmonel> Suiko, : but it does not work
[23:10] <Luija> how ican da?
[23:11] <Suiko> need more information then =D
[23:11] <salmonel> Suiko, : i type iwconfig wlano
[23:11] <Suiko> wlan0
[23:11] <salmonel> Suiko, : and then i set the essid
[23:11] <Suiko> yeah
[23:11] <salmonel> Suiko, : iwconfig wlan0 essid blablabla
[23:11] <DaSkreech> essial: Did you ask in #qt ?
[23:11] <Suiko> yeah
[23:12] <DaSkreech> essial: I did and they said normal response time is a few hours so you may want to send a request again
[23:12] <salmonel> Suiko, :  and then when i try to iwconfig wlan0 key s:mykey
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Though Nokia is obviously sleeping now
[23:12] <salmonel> Suiko, : it fails :(
[23:12] <Suiko> ahhh i had the same problem many many times
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Luija: how can you install?
[23:12] <Suiko> it depends on the management of your router or whatever
[23:12] <salmonel> Suiko, : it says invalid argument :(
[23:13] <Suiko> yeah yeah i know try wlan0 essid 'blabla' key open s:key
[23:13] <salmonel> Suiko, : you mean i have to use the "open" parameter this time e?
[23:14] <Luija> yes DaSkreech
[23:14] <Suiko> try
[23:14] <Suiko> its a pain, i know
[23:14] <salmonel> Suiko, : i will try it :-) thanks
[23:14] <Suiko> i dont like wlan
[23:15] <salmonel> Suiko, : i remember that i saw in man iwconfig that passphrase is not yetsupported
[23:15] <DaSkreech> Luija: from a konsole type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:15] <Suiko> well wpa2 is not supported yet i guess
[23:15] <salmonel> Suiko, : so is that going to pass in my passphrase in ascii with the s: option ?
[23:15] <salmonel> Suiko, : aha
[23:16] <salmonel> Suiko, : i use wpa2
[23:16] <salmonel> Suiko, : maybe that's why e?
[23:16] <Suiko> maybe
[23:17] <salmonel> Suiko, : but how did the knetworkmanager connects when i use the gui ? does to works differently?
[23:17] <Suiko> had it worked once?
[23:18] <salmonel> Siuko: yes when i had the gui yes it worked out of the box  many times :-)
[23:18] <Suiko> well ask some of the officialls here
[23:18] <Suiko> my latin is over ^
[23:19] <salmonel> Suiko, : since i installed kde4.2 every gui after kdm starts is black and non-responsive...
[23:19] <Suiko> ahhhh yeah, thats could be it
[23:19] <Suiko> kde4 doesnt like "old guis"
[23:19] <draik_> I can't seem to get anything to run within KDE or Openbox through my system. Everything is causing it to freeze up. Amarok, Firefox, Frostwire, K3b... just to name a few.
[23:19] <salmonel> Suiko, : yes but i have no gui at all now :(
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Maybe you have something wrong with your drivers?
[23:20] <salmonel> Suiko, : and i have to use the command line
[23:20] <Suiko> terminal freak =D
[23:20] <draik_> How can I check on the cause of the freezing?
[23:21] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : good idea  but the drivers used to work so there is nothing with the drivers :(
[23:21] <Suiko> well i am sorry, i cant help you with this
[23:21] <AndySpain> hi!  there's something wrong with time sync.
[23:21] <salmonel> Suiko, : it's ok thanks anyway
[23:21] <DaSkreech> what freezes? The app or X ?
[23:21] <Luija> thx a lot DaSkreech :)
[23:21] <DaSkreech> sure
[23:21] <draik_> DaSkreech: Everything.
[23:21] <AndySpain> When I go to K-menu->systemsetting date and time, I can enbale automatic time sync. But next time i enter it, it's disabled again
[23:22] <draik_> Sometimes the mouse will freeze, too.
[23:22] <DaSkreech> draik_: bleh
[23:22] <DaSkreech> can you jump to a terminal when it happens?
[23:22] <salmonel> Suiko, : but how can now who are the officials here :-) ?
[23:22] <draik_> Nope
[23:22] <salmonel> any official here :-) ?
[23:23] <DaSkreech> salmonel: officials aren't important
[23:23] <draik_> I'm currently on TTY1 because I can hardly use the GUI, if I even get that far.
[23:23] <draik_> Sometimes it freezes before the login, sometime after the login.
[23:23] <DaSkreech> draik_: ok Well in TTY2 start top and watch what happes when you open things
[23:24] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : you mean they are useless ? or that we are a big enough comunity :) ?
[23:24] <DaSkreech> or if you think it's a startup config issue then run startkde from the tty and see what the log says
[23:24] <draik_> I did htop within the GUI when I launched Frostwire. Sent that to 48.0% CPU when it froze that instant
[23:24] <DaSkreech> draik_: X logs are in /var/log so you can grep those for errors
[23:24] <DaSkreech> draik_: if the GUI is freezing monitoring it from the GUI isn't brilliant
[23:24] <TwIsTerZ> comment on fait pour s'enregistrer a Nickserv comme new user what is commande to loggin new user for nickserv ? please
[23:24] <DaSkreech> !fr
[23:24] <AndySpain> and sudo kdesytemsettings and doing the same gives an error message
[23:25] <salmonel> draik_, : ohh my god , did you installed kd4.2 on top of kd4.1 ???
[23:25] <AndySpain> so the time sync in kubuntu is bugged?
[23:25] <draik_> To the best of my knowledge, no.
[23:26] <salmonel> draik_, : you are lucky :-)
[23:26] <draik_> ?
[23:26] <Luija> i cant still watch youtube videos DaSkreech 0_0
[23:26] <salmonel> draik_, ; i did installed the kde4.2 and now NO gui at all
[23:26] <DaSkreech> Luija: Do other flash sites work?
[23:26] <salmonel> draik_, : i am so angry with kde4.2
[23:27] <Luija> nop
[23:27] <DaSkreech> salmonel: That doesn't sound right did you back up your ~/.kde directory ?
[23:27] <draik_> How do I check on the current KDE4.x?
[23:27] <Luija> or i think only youtube lol
[23:27] <salmonel> draik_, : no :(
[23:27] <DaSkreech> Luija: That's very much not right did you restart firefox?
[23:27] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : no :(
[23:27] <draik_> salmonel: Huh? How do I check on the currently installed KDE4.x?
[23:27] <wimpies> Hi all, I got these packages for which dpkg shows desired state 'r' (remove) How can I set it back to 'i' (installed) ?
[23:27] <DaSkreech> salmonel: ok well mv ~/.kde ~/.kde4.1 and then start X and login
[23:28] <Luija> oh...
[23:28] <Luija> LOL
[23:28] <DaSkreech> As in logout  go to a tty and do that then login again
[23:28] <Luija> i didnt restart, srry
[23:28] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : thanks :-) but it is late now
[23:28] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : now i have done apt-get remove kde-core :-)
[23:29] <DaSkreech> salmonel: that's not right you should remove kdelibs5 if you want to remove KDE fully
[23:29] <draik_> How do I check which KDE4 I have installed?
[23:29] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : so i need a way to connect to my wifi wpa2 to fetch the new sources.list :-)
[23:29] <DaSkreech> but in any case do that and reinstall
[23:29] <DaSkreech> salmonel: ha ha ok Go ahead
[23:30] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : yes? i have no idea for that:-)
[23:30] <DaSkreech> draik_: open Konqueror and click help -> about KDE
[23:30] <draik_> No CLI?
[23:30] <DaSkreech> salmonel: no chance for a cable
[23:30] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : thanks for the infos about kd4libs5 :-)
[23:30] <draik_> KDE 4.1. Says it at login.
[23:30] <DaSkreech> draik_: kde4-config --version
[23:30] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i tried once today but i was unlucky with the cable
[23:31] <DaSkreech> How can you be unlucky with a cable?
[23:31] <DaSkreech> it's a cable
[23:31] <draik_> 4.1.4
[23:31] <draik_> Thanks DaSkreech.
[23:31] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : because of the dhclient confusion i had :-)
[23:31] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i thought i could connect " plug n play"
[23:32] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : but it needs at least 3 steps in command line :-)
[23:33] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : ok i will try to remove kdelibs5
[23:33] <DaSkreech> salmonel: sudo dhclient
[23:33] <AndySpain> how do i fix that time bug in kde?
[23:34] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i had login a sroot :-),  Shall i have to type apt-get remove  kdelibs5 ?
[23:34] <DaSkreech> Yes
[23:34] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: Not that I know of It works here
[23:34] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : ok nice i will try it all that :-) thanks
[23:35] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: When KDE starts for some reason it chooses the wrong timezone for quie a few people check to see if that's correct
[23:35] <Luija> thx
[23:35] <Luija> but there is java?
[23:35] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: Here I'm on kubuntu 8.10 kde 4.1.4  installed three days ago. doesn't work
[23:35] <Luija> DaSkreech?
[23:35] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : i hope i can make my ethernet connects with a cable and the router
[23:35] <DaSkreech> !java | Luija
[23:35] <draik_> I'm on KDE4.1, GUI freezes when I run an app. What should I do to fix this issue? Where would I begin?
[23:36] <Luija> why i cant use adept? :S
[23:36] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : do you no what to do to connect to the router with cable ?
[23:36] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: you are in the right time zone? If Kubuntu thinks you are in Nebraska thats the time it will give and sync with
[23:36] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: time zome is correct
[23:36] <DaSkreech> draik_: Turn off compositing first I would say
[23:36] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: it shows at least the correct time
[23:36] <draik_> DaSkreech: How would I do that?
[23:36] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: so what are you syncing with?
[23:37] <DaSkreech> draik_: edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[23:37] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : do i need to use dhclient and eth0 as the last command ?
[23:37] <Luija> DaSkreech, can u explain me in detail? i dont understand, srry :S
[23:37] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: i wanted to sync with ntp.ubuntu.com  I think. but i cannot.
[23:37] <DaSkreech> salmonel: well if your cable has DHCP you should be able to just sudo dhclient
[23:37] <AndySpain> but i need an exact clock, not only more or less correct
[23:38] <DaSkreech> If you need to add your own route and so on then you need to sudo route add default gw <ip>
[23:38] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: Even manually ?
[23:38] <DaSkreech> Luija: What can't you use with adept?
[23:38] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : hmmm now i see  ok , my cable has not so ?
[23:38] <DaSkreech> salmonel: no DHCP ?
[23:38] <Luija> DaSkreech: To get Sun Java under Ubuntu 7.04 or later running on Intel or PowerPC platform, you should enable the Universe repository in Add/Remove programs, and install either the openjdk-6-jre package or the sun-java6-bin package. (Note: PowerPC version is slow).
[23:38] <draik_> I don't have compositing anywhere on the file
[23:38] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : do i have to use the <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[23:39] <Luija> universe repository?
[23:39] <DaSkreech> Luija: oh just sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[23:39] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: dunno how to sync manually. And I want it to be automated so i can forget about syncing
[23:39] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : hmmm not sure
[23:39] <Luija> sweet
[23:39] <DaSkreech> draik_: you don't have a [Compositing] Section ?
[23:39] <draik_> DaSkreech: Nope
[23:39] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : now i think it has dhcp enabled
[23:39] <AndySpain> DaSkreech on ubuntu it still worked here. But now I installed kubuntu and don't get it running
[23:39] <DaSkreech> salmonel: When you connect via wireless do you put in an IP address?
[23:40] <DaSkreech> draik_: Ok it's off then
[23:40] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : no
[23:40] <draik_> OK
[23:40] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : so ?
[23:40] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: That's below either DE it works even if you have no DE on the computer
[23:40] <DaSkreech> salmonel: sudo dhclient should work for you
[23:41] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : hmm all make sence now OK thanks :-)
[23:41] <KDesk> Having some problems I had to recreate the /boot directory, I have reinstalled the kernel to have the images and the initrd, but how can I recreate the rest of the files, like stage* and menu.lst?
[23:41] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : nice thanks :-)
[23:41] <draik_> What else would you suggest?
[23:41] <DaSkreech> !grub | KDesk
[23:42] <ingenium4> hi
[23:42] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : shall i do dhclient at the end  of the command ?
[23:42] <DaSkreech> draik_: mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebkup
[23:42] <KDesk> DaSkreech: thanks for the links!
[23:42] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: ok, how do i turn it on , below DE level? for my DE doesn't take the change if I'm no superuser, and with sudo kde systemsettings it says "error setting date/time/time zone". It doesn't tell any more. no reasons no nothing
[23:42] <Luija> what would happen if grub is corrupted?
[23:42] <salmonel> DaSkreech, : it should be handled automatic e?
[23:42] <ingenium4> I have some problem for install skype in kubuntu 8.10
[23:42] <DaSkreech> salmonel: Yes that does dhclient for all network devices if you jsut want the wired device then eth0 at the end will do that
[23:42] <ingenium4> maybe somebody can help me please
[23:43] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: hmm try kdesudo systemsettings
[23:43] <ingenium4> I just install kubuntu today
[23:43] <DaSkreech> Though that will change things for root >_>
[23:43] <DaSkreech> !skyoe
[23:43] <DaSkreech> !skype
[23:43] <ingenium4> ok
[23:43] <AndySpain> DaSkrech I just told oyu  the this gives my also a GUI and an Error message
[23:43] <AndySpain> you*
[23:43] <salmonel> DaSkreech,  : i am going to give it a try so i have to reboot windows to go back to linux so bye see you maybe later :-) hope so :-) if not i will propably try to configure it :-)
[23:44] <salmonel> bye
[23:44] <draik_> DaSkreech: Done. Restart X?
[23:44] <ingenium4> can you give me exactly the attachment
[23:44] <ingenium4> please
[23:44] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: attachment ?
[23:44] <ingenium4> yes where I have to go for download
[23:45] <DaSkreech> draik_: sure
[23:45] <ingenium4> because I download for ubuntu
[23:45] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: If yo uwant the latest one then go to skype's webpage
[23:45] <ingenium4> ok
[23:45] <DaSkreech> they have on for Ubuntu when you download it then it should be a .deb file
[23:45] <ingenium4> and after when I get where I must to go
[23:46] <judgen> Is kdm themes for kde4 working on kde3
[23:46] <DaSkreech> Well take a note of where you downloaded it to
[23:46] <ingenium4> ok
[23:46] <ingenium4> tx
[23:46] <DaSkreech> then you can open a konsole and sudo dpkg -i /path/to/skype.deb
[23:47] <ingenium4> ok
[23:47] <DaSkreech> It will ask for a password which is the password you used to login then you are done
[23:47] <drostie> Lots of people asking for Skype today and yesterday.
[23:47] <ingenium4> for me first day kubuntu and linux
[23:47] <ingenium4> I am tired vista
[23:48] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: Welcome to Linux and Kubuntu!
[23:48] <Luija> ingenium
[23:48] <Luija> u did good
[23:48] <ingenium4> ok thank you very much
[23:48] <Luija> i changed yesterday
[23:48] <Luija> kubuntu is god
[23:48] <AndySpain> DaSkreech does ntpd do the same as this KDE function that syncs time? and which one is better/more accurate?
[23:48] <ingenium4> bye
[23:48] <StR|Sangreal> pls could sb recommend me a widged for monitoring system performance?
[23:49] <DaSkreech> AndySpain: ntpd is the daemon for ntpdate It changes the system time which KDE reads and makes corrections for the users stated timezone
[23:49] <DaSkreech> ingenium4: Bye come back here if you need help
[23:50] <ingenium4> tx
[23:51] <AndySpain> DaSkreech: so it is the same as sudokde systemsettings enable time sync?
[23:51] <DaSkreech> I should think so
[23:53] <AndySpain> ok
[23:54] <Luija> ei
[23:54] <Luija> java is installed now
[23:54] <AndySpain> DaSkreech the GUI thing doesn't work at all, neither user nor root, but ntpd works now... :-)
[23:54] <Luija> but i cant still use it, what I do DaSkreech?
[23:54] <draik_> DaSkreech: I restarted and when I logged into KDE, it froze after I set the size for Yakuake
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Luija: What do you mean you can't use it?
[23:54] <draik_> Rebooting the desktop now
[23:54] <Luija> http://www.purplesurge.com/chat.html
[23:55] <Luija> purplesurge is a online irc chat
[23:55] <Luija> it use java
[23:55] <Luija> i enter there
[23:55] <Luija> and i cant see the box, i already log out
[23:55] <Luija> or i have to restart?
[23:56] <DaSkreech> Luija: hmm try sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[23:57] <Luija> ok let me restart
[23:58] <AndySpain> Lujia: with the browser?
[23:58] <AndySpain> you want java in your browser?
[23:58] <AndySpain> then you might need to activate java in your browser, not only install it
[23:59] <AndySpain> in konuqeror for instance java and java script been disabled by default after installation, so u gotta enter the preferences/options
[23:59] <DaSkreech> Firefox
[23:59] <StR|Sangreal> in kde42