[00:28] <Mead> got a uncommon thing I want to do.  I have two computers on my desk, and I'd like to have the other computer's audio come into the line in port of my lubuntu machine and have it pass through to it's own speakers.
[00:29] <wxl> line out -> line in
[00:29] <wxl> pretty simple
[00:41] <Mead> physically yes, but how to I set lubuntu ot constantly monitor the line in?
[00:41] <wxl> which version?
[00:42] <Mead> 18.04
[00:42] <wxl> alsamixer is your friend
[00:45] <Mead> do I need to install or does is it installed by default?
[00:45] <wxl> default
[00:45] <wxl> open terminal; run alsamixer
[00:48] <Mead> run
[00:48] <Mead> not foung
[00:48] <Mead> err found
[00:48] <Mead> sorry switching between keyboards is disorinating
[00:51] <Mead> oh just type alsamixer I thought it was "run alsamixer"
[00:51] <wxl> yep
[00:51] <wxl> you had me booting vms because i couldn't imagine i was wrong
[00:51] <Mead> so I'm in the mixer, I've got audio going into the linein right now and I'm not hearing anything
[00:52] <wxl> so there's a couple things
[00:52] <wxl>  1. might not be loud enough. line in is kind of weak
[00:52] <wxl>  2. main isn't high enough or is muted
[00:52] <wxl>  3. channel isn't high enough or is muted
[00:53] <wxl> the channels that say 00 are not muted, but the ones that say MM are
[00:55] <Mead> well I know the lubuntu system isn't mutted, and in the sound setting "volume control"  it is showing activity with the blue bar moving around pretty good
[00:56] <wxl> you could also hit F4 and see where the output is heading to
[00:56] <Mead> "This device does not have nay capture controls"
[00:57] <wxl> hold on wait a minute i'm getting confused here sorry
[00:57] <wxl> playback is output, so that should be your speakers, whatever they might be
[00:58] <Mead> I know they work, I use kodi all the time on this sytem
[00:58] <wxl> capture SHOULD be your input
[00:58] <Mead> yeah, so it isn't listing any input/capture devices in alsamixer
[00:58] <wxl> ok let's try this
[00:59] <wxl> run the graphical application pavucontrol
[00:59] <wxl> it should be easier
[00:59] <Mead> is that pulseaudio volume control?
[01:00] <wxl> yes
[01:03] <Mead> I tried that before I came here, in the imput tab the blue bar under the volume slider is showing activity  but I see no option to tell it send the audio from the input device to the output device
[01:03] <wxl> Mead: if you have the right input and the right output selected, it should just work.
[01:05] <wxl> Greg: there's very few folks actually doing pi stuff, unfortunately. the only pi images we release are through ubuntu pi flavour maker and i believe those support the 3b. https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/
[01:06] <Mead> I know the output is right, and I only have one input device
 As of right now, the Lubuntu Constitution is put into effect, as noted here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/constitution/browse/master/Constitution.md;1.0.0 ... This involves introduction of the Lubuntu Council and the Lubuntu Member system, which is officially ratified as of now. ... I would encourage all members of the community, w
[01:17] <Mead> I know in windows prior I had to specifically go to my settings for the input device and tell check a box to "listen" to the microphone/input
[01:22] <wxl> no
[01:23] <Mead> if this is the same stuff going on that heard about a couple weeks ago, lubuntu is no longer the lubuntu of years past, they aren't going to worry about supporting older hardware anymore like the distro was originally intended for
[01:23] <wxl> nope, it's about organizing in a way that lubuntu has never been
[01:24] <Mead> oh
[01:24] <wxl> but you're right, we are not going to EXCLUSIVELY focus on old hardware
[01:24] <wxl> because that would be pointless
[01:24] <wxl> i wouldn't make a distro to run on the commodore 64
[01:24] <Mead> go get puppy linux instead right?
[01:24] <wxl> ew, if you feel like torturing yourself, sure
[01:24] <Mead> hey don't make fun of the commodore 64 that was a great system in 1987
[01:25] <wxl> we're always going to be focusing on lightweight, but not at the expense of usability or functionality
[01:25] <Mead> might still hold the record for best selling computer of all time
[01:25] <wxl> i loved my commodore 64
[01:25] <wxl> my point is that no one uses them for anything anymore. it's impractical
[01:25] <wxl> the older hardware gets, the more this is true
[01:25] <wxl> so to say we're going to be the distro for old hardware-- no, thank you.
[01:26] <wxl> but to keep it to the "L" in "LXQt/LXDE," yes.
[01:26] <Mead> true, but is it not really for ending support of for older 32 bit systems ?
[01:26] <wxl> yes
[01:26] <wxl> because that is the way most of the world is going
[01:26] <wxl> and specifically for lubuntu we don't have a sufficient number of team members to support it on our own
[01:27] <wxl> as long as there was one other ubuntu flavor involved, we were all for it, but being the last one-- no way
[01:27] <wxl> we just CAN'T do it
[01:27] <wxl> not even if we want to
[01:28] <Mead> I just wish I could figure out this audio issue
[01:28] <wxl> yeah i'm at a loss
[01:30] <Mead> like I said, in windows to accomplish this in the past, I just go into the microphone properties and check a box to "listen to this device" and the audio passes through
[01:30] <wxl> and indeed it should be just as simple here
[01:30] <wxl> i've done it myself
[01:33] <Mead> I just don't get nearly the amount of options in the pulse audio thing
[01:36] <Mead> Think #ubuntu might have more help?  I know ##linux would just tell me to RTFM
[01:36] <wxl> worth a try
[04:09] <KaoGomi> Hello comrads
[04:25] <Mead> I'm more of a cohort, than a comrade
[04:25]  * Mead pours some Kentucky whiskey
[06:19] <Nemesis> Hello
[06:42] <qwebirc57479> Does anyone here have any experience with Terminator and setting custom layouts? I've got it to where it will load the splits that I specify, but for some reason it won't load them at the sizes I saved them to. Any suggestion?
[06:44] <lynorian> qwebirc57479: I have used terminator but I don't use it for splitting the terminals also keep in mind that is a really heavy terminal emulator
[06:45] <qwebirc57479> yeah I know, I just chose Lubuntu because I'm running it via virtual machine. The computer I use has plenty of oomph to handle pretty much anything I throw at it.
 Is ross kinetic available in lubuntu 18.04
[08:52] <acalycine> Hi, I'm trying to install lubuntu after being recommended it from #ubuntu. I'm now having the same issue I was having with Ubuntu and have had it with all the distros I've tried. It freezes once I press "Try lubuntu without installing" and then gives a kernel panic.
 @acalycine [<acalycine> Hi, I'm trying to install lubuntu after being recommended it from #u …], I had simillar problem. You might have some issue with display drivers. Tried kermel settings like nomodeset or acpi off?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Is ross kinetic available in lubuntu 18.04], Someone please reply.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Someone please reply.], How much RAM does your machine have?
 How much RAM does your machine have?
[20:47] <apt-ghetto> You can apply critical kernel patches without rebooting
 Livepatch applies important patches to your kernel as you are running the system, automatically, so that you don't have to update the kernel packages and reboot every time
 though you still should
[20:47] <apt-ghetto> That is mainly for servers, that are running 24/7
 ^ this
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> That is mainly for servers, that are running 24/7], this i mean.
 generally, yes, just do your regular updates
 my laptop runs LIvePatch but I have a tendency to NOT apply critical updates as soon as they're out
 (I do updates weekly)
[20:49] <apt-ghetto> reboot or shutdown your system from time to time and you are done
 ^ that
 it's not just your browser you have to do with your updates, you should be paying attention to the update manager notifications of when you have important system updates generally
 oh that reminds me
 @tsimonq2 any reason stripping out update-manager-core would break the GUI in Lubuntu 18.10?
 or 18.04 for that matter
 @teward001 [@tsimonq2 any reason stripping out update-manager-core would break the GUI in Lu …], ?
 @tsimonq2 i was trying to make changes to the default Lubuntu install locally for a work project so that I can let the users NOT get any notifications about updates, etc. and let unattended-upgrades handle that via cron, and in removing the update-manager bits the entire GUI seemed to have exploded
 was wondering whether there's anything I'm overlooking as potential causes OTHER than update-manager and its stuff being yankede
 for all I know the system i was using's got a crap graphics card or driver conflict
 I dunno
 @teward001 I don't understand your problem but maybe I can help you
 nah at this point i'mma blast this and start over
 and better analyze what's going on
[23:54] <dustinrdf> Does anyone know where I can find the tilix.desktop file in my filesystem? Trying to set it to load a custom session via the `exec` line in the desktop file.
[23:56] <wxl> if it's a normal ubuntu package in the repos, most likely /usr/share/applications
[23:56] <dustinrdf> yeah, I checked there. No luck.
[23:57] <wxl> i think the other is in ~/.local
[23:57] <teward> ~/.local/share/applications/
[23:57] <wxl> there ya go
[23:57] <wxl> was getting there
[23:58] <wxl> i guess /usr/local/share/applications is a potential posibility too
[23:58] <dustinrdf> only a chrome file in there....this is weird..
[23:58] <wxl> could always `find / -type f -name 'tilix.desktop' 2>/dev/null
[23:58] <wxl> `
[23:59] <dustinrdf> nothing turned up....with that so I guess there isn't one..but it's in my start menu...
[23:59] <wxl> log out/back in
[23:59] <dustinrdf> wow, that was horrible punctuation.
[23:59] <wxl> betcha it's gone


[00:32] <valorie> amigamagic: sounds like your settings have been corrupted
[00:34] <valorie> best thing to do is from the terminal (not while logged into kde) `mv .kde/ .kde-old`
[00:34] <valorie> then when you log into your kde session, your settings will be refreshed
[00:35] <valorie> if you have done some configs you want to save, then you can move them back from -old
[01:08] <amigamagic> valorie: I have done that and indeed it works
[01:08] <amigamagic> but I've lost all my previous desktop settings
[01:09] <amigamagic> so I think for now I will stick to another desktop manager
[01:09] <amigamagic> it's a shame because kde is beautiful, but it's not stable
[01:10] <amigamagic> for example, if you try to enlarge the bottom panel, and you enlarge it too much, the clock widget in the bottom bar will display a broken calendar in the upper left area of the desktop and you cannot disable this calendar without removing the clock widget
[05:22] <kubuntummmm> hi
[08:06] <return0> Soo, how's 14.04 doing? Ok for regular use?
[08:06] <valorie> that's what I'm now running
[08:06] <valorie> so far, so good
[08:07] <valorie> and we could use more testers
[08:07] <valorie> since it's an LTS
[08:08] <return0> it seems most ubuntu spins are fairly stable now
[08:08] <return0> xfce and gnome are working fine for me
[08:08] <return0> unity and lxde had bugs but i think they're fixed too
[08:08] <return0> My 13.10 install feels soo old :P
[08:10] <valorie> well, this seems even better than 13.10
[08:10] <valorie> KDE is in bug fixing mode right now too
[08:10] <return0> feature frozen?
[08:10] <valorie> because of the frameworks work, under the hood
[08:10] <valorie> yes
[08:11] <return0> i find after feature freeze things get fixed real quick
[08:11] <valorie> we hope that we'll be able to do a "testing" release for 14.10
[08:11] <return0> have 14.10 be the test for changes to be ported back to 14.04 LTS?
[08:12] <return0> I've seen that happen in 12 lts
[08:12] <return0> and 10.. and 8...
[08:14] <valorie> return0: in applications and security updates, for sure
[08:14] <valorie> but frameworks is the future
[08:15] <valorie> that is "kde5" along with qt5
[08:15] <return0> I want qt5 and kde3 :P
[08:15] <valorie> which can't be ported backwards
[08:15] <valorie> really? I never miss kde3
[08:15] <return0> Nor did I, but it's be funny
[08:16] <return0> kde3 used at a lot of companies for some reason
[08:20] <valorie> because it was stable and easily configurable
[08:20] <valorie> no brainer!
[08:21] <valorie> gnome beat us out for awhile in the 3 >4 changeover
[08:21] <valorie> but I think we're back on top
[08:21] <return0> then gnome comitted suicide
[08:21] <valorie> now, now
[08:21] <valorie> some people still love it
[08:21] <return0> went from by far #1 to...
[08:22] <return0> each version removes as many things as they add
[08:22] <return0> it's going maximum tablet
[08:22] <return0> whereas kde has a seperate tablet-mode
[08:23] <valorie> right, but there are strengths to both ways of design
[08:23] <valorie> Unity is also one form factor
[08:23] <valorie> we'll see what ends up being best
[08:25] <return0> i wish i could use crypto coins to buy kde swag
[08:26] <valorie> return0: we're discussing it
[08:26] <valorie> it takes a bit to set up a way to get the coins, and then to monitize them
[08:27] <valorie> so far, no one has stepped up to make that happen
[08:27] <return0> there's services which automatically deposit USD/CAD/EURO to an account when people buy with coins
[08:28] <return0> or just have a dude do it manually, but you'd have to stock him up
[08:29] <return0> there's crypto coin services like kickstarter which would work
[08:29] <return0> or plain old bit pay
[08:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:57] <MikeDK> Am I the only one having trouble with kde-telepathy since latest backport kde update?
[08:58] <valorie> what sort of trouble, MikeDK?
[08:58] <MikeDK> Just doesn't connect to any of the accounts I had in it, before the update
[08:58] <MikeDK> maybe I should try re-adding the accounts?
[08:58] <MikeDK> could that help?
[08:59] <valorie> I'd try with one, and see
[08:59] <valorie> I've been meaning to install that to test on trusty
[09:01] <MikeDK> ooh, kde-telepathy isn't default on trusty?
[09:01] <valorie> not sure; I did an upgrade
[09:01] <valorie> we're oversize on the iso, so trying to cut things out
[09:02] <valorie> not installed here, but perhaps I uninstalled at some time in the past
[09:02] <valorie> not sure
[09:02] <MikeDK> yeah :-) I'm not bothered with the size I only use USBsticks for installs
[09:02] <valorie> I don't like things popping up at me
[09:02] <valorie> I prefer IRC
[09:02] <valorie> not everyone is on a fast connection
[09:03] <MikeDK> aah yeah, I follow you in that one.
[09:03] <valorie> and some computers won't boot from a usb
[09:04] <MikeDK> yeah old laptops for instance :-) have a old thinkpad E570/E600 model PII 398MHz and maxed out with 198MB memory :-D running crunchbang atm :-D
[10:25] <Sunby> Hey. A "quick" question. I would like to install a relatively old version of KDE (2.2.2) on an Ubuntu/Kubuntu installation. Anybody tried that?
[10:37] <lordievader> Sunby: That will probably land you in dependency hell.
[10:42] <_nedr> hello guys.. just wondering how gaming performance (Steam, dota2, in particular) is on kubuntu.. also how is nvidia optimus support?
[11:08] <soee> _nedr: good morning
[11:08] <_nedr> soee, hi, good morning
[11:09] <soee> few days ago i just finished Metro Laast Light :) there were small problems where game just exit during loading but basically all worked nice
[11:09] <soee> on Kubuntu 14.04 we have nvidia-prime available and it works great with 331 drivers
[11:10] <soee> you can easily switch to intel or nvidia
[11:10] <soee> i played whole game on my laptop and performence was great
[11:10] <soee> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/MzE3uiEEjor
[11:11] <soee> i have also tired Dota2 some time ago, worked smooth
[11:11] <soee> same with Serius Sam 3 etc
[11:12] <_nedr> soee, nice to hear,.. could you compare it with any other desktop environment?
[11:12] <soee> in general i have no problems with steam
[11:12] <soee> well im Usign only Windows to play some CS:GO
[11:12] <soee> no big difference for me
[11:12] <_nedr> i am on ubuntu 13.10 with unity and primus and i have huge problems with steam and dota2 (very slow, crashes, etc)
[11:13] <_nedr> i don't know it might be my particular laptop or some installation issues..
[11:13] <Walex2> _nedr: it all depends on the OpenGL driver...
[11:13] <_nedr> it was a paint just to get primus installed
[11:13] <Walex2> _nedr: and how new is your X WIndows server and GL libraries.
[11:13] <soee> also at the begining of 14.04 there were huge problems with performance (not sure if it was nvidia-prime or drivers )
[11:13] <soee> but now all works smooth
[11:14] <Walex2> it works fairly well for me on 12.04 with X server backported and with AMD drivers, but it occasionally freezes, but I suspect that is because of CPU power supply issues
[11:14] <soee> _nedr: i think the problems were related also to bumblebee - are you using it ?
[11:15] <_nedr> soee, might be.. yeah i installed it .. not sure how effectively it works.. which is why want to reformat and do clean reinstall
[11:15] <_nedr> Walex2, sorry quite newb to all this.. i have no idea about much of this... i tried installing bumblebee.. if i recall it was with nvidia-331,
[11:15] <soee> _nedr: with nvidia-prime you dont need bumblebee
[11:16] <_nedr> soee, what is nvidia-prime ? is it primusrun?
[11:16] <soee> _nedr: more or less, it allows you to switch to intel or nvidia
[11:17] <Walex2> switching GPUs is hell of a way to beg for trouble :-)
[11:18] <_nedr> Walex2, thats what i do with bumblebee.. otherwise my laptop becomes a finger-toaster
[11:18] <Walex2> guys, Intel/nVidia/AMD won't tell you but graphics chips are incredibly buggy bits of hardware held together with elastic bands and prayers...
[11:18] <soee> Walex2: it easy :D
[11:18] <soee> http://wstaw.org/w/2yip/linki/
[11:19] <_nedr> couple of year  ago i never thought i would say this... but i wish my linux would just work like my windows
[11:19] <Walex2> _nedr: it is better then to get a system with a single chip. I understand why you would want to do it, but not all things that are possible are also reliable...
[11:20] <soee> _nedr: on ubuntu you have also prime inditcator http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/prime-indicator-lets-you-quickly-switch.html :)
[11:20] <_nedr> Walex2, don't have money for new system right now ( i didn't know there was such a issue as nvidia optimus other i would never buy this)... also thats Apple thinking( program don't work.. just buy a new laptop)
[11:21] <_nedr> crossing fingers that nvidia-prime is ready by 14.04 .. ubuntu people really need to get back to making distros for humans
[11:22] <soee> _nedr: it didn't work for me on 13.10 as i would liek, now on 14.04 its more mature but still in developement
[11:22] <_nedr> soee are you running kubuntu 14.04 with nvidia-prime
[11:22] <soee> anyway all i can say i have no problems with optimus now
[11:22] <soee> _nedr: yes i do
[11:23] <_nedr> thats awesome to hear... i hope my configuration won't be screwed over
[11:24] <soee> _nedr: wht i noticed was that after upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 i couldnt run system becaus eof nvidia-prime and some configuration issues
[11:24] <soee> after fresh installation all works smooth
[11:25] <soee> also as nvidia-prime is in development all the time somethimes something might not work as it should :) but the good news is if you report it it can be fixed very fast
[11:51] <_nedr> hello soee, just wondering is nvidia-prime using nouveau or nvidia proprietary drivers?
[11:53] <soee> propriety
[11:53] <soee> 331 i think
[11:53] <soee> can't be lower but im not 100% sure
[11:55] <_nedr> ok thanks
[11:59] <mike_s2> Hi, how do I install kubuntu with luks on a laptop with an installed windows 8 using truecrypt system encryption?
[12:00] <mike_s2> I already have all the necessary partitions set up from a previous opensuse install, but I am not sure how to set it up without removing my truecrypt bootmanager.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[16:20] <miglo> can anyone propose an alternativ mail client for kmail?
[16:22] <DarthFrog> I use Thunderbird.
[16:23] <lordievader> +1 for Thunderbird.
[16:25] <miglo> but is thunderbird still under development?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> what more is needed?
[16:27] <miglo> Is it maybe possible to use kmail independently from akondai?
[16:29] <miglo> if thunderbird still gets bug fixes and security updates than I will give it a try
[16:32] <DarthFrog> Well, it is a Mozilla project so it is overwhelming likely that security updates will be made.
[17:01] <miglo> is it possible to import mails from kmail into thunderbird?
[17:25] <Rish_> how to find version of libgit2
[17:25] <Rish_> ?
[17:25] <Rish_> on kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[17:29] <tsimpson> "apt-cache policy libgit2-0" or use the package manager and search for libgit2
[17:49] <Rish_> how should i install libgit-2.0 0.19.0 for kubuntu 12.04?
[17:53] <tsimpson> you can download the source code and compile it manually, or download the source package and build a .deb package manually
[17:53] <lordievader> !info libgit-2.0
[17:54] <tsimpson> it's libgit2-0, and it only exists in raring+
[17:54] <lordievader> I see, so an alternative is upgrading to Saucy.
[17:56] <tsimpson> sure but if you're still on 12.04 you probably want the LTS, so I didn't suggest breaking out of LTS
[17:56] <tsimpson> though waiting a month or so and upgrading to Trusty is an option :)
[17:57] <lordievader> True, it might not be the most desired alternative. But as a last measure it is still an alternative.
[17:57] <Rish_> tsimpson: can you please guide me how to go aboout doin it?
[18:05] <tsimpson> Rish_: install cmake, download the source https://github.com/libgit2/libgit2/releases and follow the instructions in the README.md file
[18:05] <Rish_> tsimpson: okay...thanks a lot
[19:26] <beltorak> hi all; i am trying to get my laptop to hibernate when the lid is closed and the power is unplugged, but I am getting this dialog saying that it requires authentication because multiple users are logged in. how do i make it just hibernate?
[19:32] <roney> beltorak, i suppose that was a design decision from the devs
[19:33] <roney> why would hibernate if other people are still logged in?
[19:34] <beltorak> my concern is more security focused - someone just yaking the laptop and running
[19:34] <roney> imagine that you logged via ssh from a remote place, would you like this to happen?
[19:34] <beltorak> for me yes, for everyone... up to them
[19:35] <roney> well, i wouldn't like if say my wife closed the laptop's lid while i'm remotely logged
[19:36] <beltorak> granted; and i don't want it to do that if the power is still plugged in
[19:37] <roney> sleeping is not enough for you?
[19:37] <beltorak> defeats the point of FDE wouldn't you say?
[19:37] <roney> what's FDE?
[19:38] <beltorak> full disk encryption
[19:38] <roney> it depends on the tool you use
[19:39] <beltorak> what tools do you have in mind?
[19:39] <roney> truecrypt decrypts on demand, as far as i know, and only for the user who unlocked the disk with the right key
[19:40] <roney> but I'm probably wrong, not an expert
[19:41] <beltorak> you are right, but the usage scenario you are thinking of is a private area for the user - my entire system (root fs included) (except for the boot partition, i'll get to that some other time) is encrypted
[19:45] <beltorak> the dialog in question has a reference to the systemd/polkit id "org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions" so i figure there has to be a setting somewhere that's making it require authentication... so my question is "how do i override that or (failing that) change it?"
[19:48] <roney> you're probably right, but I can't think on a possible way to solve this in an elegant way
[19:48] <roney> it may be possible to run a script before hibernating
[19:49] <roney> this script could log all users out
[19:49] <roney> it would require root permissions, naturally
[19:49] <beltorak> by "elegant" you mean providing some warning to the others logged into the system? yeah, i can't think of a way to do that either, and so for my case i would rather err on the side of security
[19:50] <roney> but that's a very macgyverish
[19:50] <roney> thing
[19:50] <beltorak> besides, there are no other real users logged onto my laptop, so i figure it must be some sort of background service running as it's own account
[19:50] <roney> hm....
[19:50] <roney> system users then
[19:52] <beltorak> $ ps -ef | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sort -u | tr '\n' ', ' ==> 102,123,124,avahi,beltorak,colord,daemon,dirmngr,nobody,root,rtkit,syslog,UID,
[19:53] <roney> what a suspicious username "rtkit"
[19:54] <beltorak> what's the command for dpkg to show info about a package?
[19:55] <beltorak> nm; found it
[19:55] <beltorak> rtkit == "Realtime Policy and Watchdog Daemon"
[19:56] <beltorak> i suppose they could have picked a less suspicious package/username ...
[19:58] <roney> perhaps and intended joke, I liked :-)
[19:58] <roney> but what kind of rootkit would call itself rootkit?
[19:59] <roney> the lamest one
[19:59] <beltorak> beta v0.0.1?
[19:59] <roney> hahaha
[19:59] <roney> "plz test my new rootkit"
[19:59] <beltorak> hahaha
[20:08] <beltorak> hhmmmm.. i found a bug report that it's the dirmngr service that's causing the problem
[20:18] <roney> beltorak, then it's a matter of time to get it solved
[20:19] <roney> if you're a programmer you could try to solve it yourself :-)
[20:19] <beltorak> yeah, and supposedly there's a workaround to make the dirmngr daemon use start-stop-daemon instead of su because su creates a login session
[20:20] <roney> then you're done!
[20:20] <beltorak> i am :) now i just gotta find the file to edit
[20:20] <roney> cool
[20:20] <beltorak> and i can put off overriding the permission thing some other time
[20:21] <roney> solving those kinds of problem is very fun, but terrible for non techies
[20:21] <beltorak> yeah
[20:22] <roney> man, i still regret the day I installed kubuntu on my wife's laptop
[20:22] <beltorak> the dialogue supposedly gives me the option to edit the policy (it says "click here to edit") but it does nothing :-/
[20:23] <roney> kwin crashed terribly during her thesis presentation
[20:23] <beltorak> linux hates my wife
[20:23] <beltorak> oh ouch
[20:23] <roney> I got instantly ashamed and promply jumped on the "stage" (don't know the right word) to help her
[20:24] <roney> she got embarassed and more nervous
[20:24] <roney> it was terrible
[20:24] <beltorak> yikes
[20:25] <roney> that event made me rethink a lot of my concepts about free software
[20:25] <beltorak> yeah, i hear a lot of governments are switching to various forms of linux, mentioning the savings involved due to not having to pay for licensing etc
[20:26] <beltorak> on the one hand I think that's great; on the other, I wish they would consider re-purposing some of that gained budget into donating to the open source projects
[20:26] <roney> I love free software and wish all software was rock solid and free
[20:26] <dougl> I don't know if enough goes into the office applications included with linux.
[20:26] <roney> but sometimes I have recognise the technical superiority of proprietary software
[20:27] <roney> I'm a kde contributor
[20:27] <roney> talking for calligra I believe there's a lot of work happening
[20:27] <roney> even so, that's jut the beginning
[20:28] <beltorak> yeah, proprietary software has one advantage over free software - somebody is *forced* to code the ... uninteresting bits
[20:28] <beltorak> dougl: like you said, and i think office software is one of those areas that could use some work
[20:29] <beltorak> another area that free software seems to never touch adequately is project management and HR
[20:29] <roney> i work on proprietary software to make a living
[20:29] <beltorak> how many open source projects could be in any way a contender to SAP or Oracle (the HR stuff, not the DB stuff)?
[20:29] <roney> my conclusion is: proprietary software development sucks a lot
[20:30] <dougl> Gimp beltorak, gets developed  libre office not so much
[20:30] <roney> why it works sometimes? lots of money
[20:30] <beltorak> lol roney - yeah, exactly
[20:30] <beltorak> dougl: yes, exactly that too
[20:31] <beltorak> and there are some areas I really really wish we could work on - it's my opinion that the only think keeping strong security out of the hands of the masses is the gawdawful UIs surrounding things like key management
[20:31] <roney> pretty much yes
[20:32] <roney> I'm glad that lots of intelligent people are perceiving now that security should be transparent
[20:33] <beltorak> lots of intelligent people have always known that - bruce schneier (sp?) being one of the more promenant ones
[20:33] <beltorak> unfortunately they aren't always the ones making the decisions....
[20:33] <roney> that's the point!
[20:33] <beltorak> hahaha
[20:34] <roney> you know what is about making decisions?
[20:34] <roney> politics, my friend
[20:34] <beltorak> yeah, agreed
[20:34] <roney> and I'm not talking about the parties clashing against each other
[20:34] <roney> politices is everywhere
[20:34] <beltorak> just basic human interaction and getting people to see things your way....
[20:34] <roney> yes
[20:35] <roney> it ranges from small patches being reviewed to big design decisions that will impact the life of thousands of users
[20:36] <beltorak> coders and other highly technically minded people can drop all the social niceties and argue purely on merits; but for the most part people are social creatures, and "winning people to your side" is much more of a social interaction than a rational discussion about the pros and cons of alternatives
[20:37] <roney> because programmers are usually good on a technicall level, they tend to think they're intellingent enough to talk about everything, be it arts, philosophy, history etc
[20:37] <beltorak> i wonder what in a few generations the (so called) brogrammers impact will be
[20:37] <roney> i'm afraid of the future
[20:38] <roney> with things like "code for america" (I don't live in the USA) the future tend to be not so good
[20:38] <roney> that's a different subject, i know
[20:38] <beltorak> is that the push to get kids to program?
[20:38] <roney> yes
[20:39] <beltorak> yeah i don't know how useful it really will be; i haven't looked into it
[20:39] <roney> because programming is more important than everything etc
[20:40] <roney> programmers tend to think they're special magicians and what they do is so important that everybody should learn it as well
[20:40] <beltorak> it could be construed that way, sure; but if they approach it more as practical problem solving.... you know, like what math should be taught as
[20:40] <roney> i enjoy the idea of teaching programming
[20:41] <roney> but i don't think it is more important than philosophy, art, history or mathematics
[20:41] <beltorak> philosophy is dreadfully important, and it gets almost no respect
[20:42] <beltorak> but you are right; no one is really more or less important than the others
[20:42] <beltorak> i'd have to hear your argument on why art is important
[20:45] <roney> simple: because art embodies (or at least tries to embody) the perception we have about ourselves and the world we live in
[20:45] <roney> that being said, art is not conceivable on its own
[20:45] <roney> art spans itself throughout everything that is considered to be human
[20:46] <roney> i.e.: philosphy, history, mathematics, programming, social interaction, etc etc etc
[20:47] <beltorak> ok; i can see your point
[20:49] <kevthanewversi> I'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't
[20:49] <kevthanewversi> support GPT . Use GNU Parted."
[20:50] <kevthanewversi> Anyone experienced such a problem before?
[20:54] <beltorak> kevthanewversi: are you installing using the GUI or purely commandline?
[20:54] <kevthanewversi> beltorak the gui
[20:55] <beltorak> so you booted up the CD in live mode and clicked the install icon on the desktop? have you tried the kde partition manager?
[20:55] <kevthanewversi> But I'm accessing terminal via the try kubuntu option during install
[20:56] <kevthanewversi> beltorak yeah it won't show any of my windows partitions. :(
[20:57] <beltorak> I think you can install packages in the "try" mode so you might try to install gparted; i don't know what tool would be best to use for partitioning GPT drives
[20:57] <beltorak> I wonder if cfdisk (which is another cli program) can handle it
[20:58] <kevthanewversi> In the partitioning page it shows the whole of my hard drive as free space.
[21:01] <kevthanewversi> I'm trying to install kubuntu alongside windows and I cannot see my windows partitions in the kubuntu installation hard disk setup. When I 'try kubuntu' and run fdisk-l I get this error "The util fdisk doesn't
[21:02] <beltorak> you might try installing gdisk - that seems to support GPT drives: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/gdisk.8.html
[21:09] <beltorak> kevthanewversi: how big is the hard drive? the simple answer is that fdisk does not support GPT-partitioned drives. you will have to use a different tool.
[21:12] <kevthanewversi> beltorak 750 gigz. A tool like?
[21:15] <beltorak> a tool like gnu parted (gparted or parted)
[21:16] <kevthanewversi> beltorak so what exactly will I do?
[21:17] <beltorak> open the package manager (K menu, type in package manager), in the search bar type in "parted" - it should be the first result
[21:19] <kevthanewversi> beltorak I'm asking after I get the package.
[21:21] <dougl> sfdisk?
[21:22] <alphacrypt> hey, I get qtmixing issue and don't know what to do
[21:25] <beltorak> dougl: the fdisk family of tools can't handle GPT; there's supposedly a replacement but I didn't see them in the package manager
[21:25] <beltorak> I thought that parted would have a GUI, or that the KDE partition manager would be able to handle GPT, but alas...
[21:27] <beltorak> kevthanewversi: can you pm me the results of "sudo parted -l /dev/XXX"?
[22:49] <beltorak> ok; patching /etc/init.d/dirmngr solved my immediate hibernate problem; now I want to figure out how to resume :) but this is how I think it should work. on a fresh real boot the swap partition should be created and encrypted with a random key that is saved to the root device. on resume it should decrypt the root device to find the swap key.
[22:50] <beltorak> how do i go about making this work?


[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #49138 in xorg (main) "Dell GX620 + ATI Radeon X600 SE" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49138
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88815 in xorg-server (main) "Sluggish rendering since xorg 7.2 update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88815
[09:45] <tepsipakki> seb128: morning, I'm continuing the driver merges.. apm, ark, chips, cirrus now done
[09:45] <seb128> tepsipakki: hi
[09:46] <seb128> tepsipakki: ups :/
[09:46] <tepsipakki> you've done them?-)
[09:46] <seb128> tepsipakki: I did apm and ark yesterday, they are uploaded and blocked by freeze
[09:46] <tepsipakki> oh, that's ok, they are trivial
[09:46] <seb128> right
[09:46] <seb128> they just have the Conflicts, Replaces for Ubuntu and the Maintainer change
[09:46] <tepsipakki> yep
[09:46] <seb128> looking at chips
[09:47] <tepsipakki> it's not in the-usual-place yet
[09:48] <seb128> ah ok
[09:52] <tepsipakki> did you change the Provides: -field (s/-1.0//)?
[09:53] <tepsipakki> I guess now could be a chance to get rid of that delta if we are going to upload all the drivers anyway
[09:53] <tepsipakki> ie. drivers provide xserver-xorg-video-1.0 (=ABIVER), and the server depends on xserver-xorg-video-1.0
[09:54] <seb128> no I didn't
[09:54] <seb128> do we need to?
[09:55] <tepsipakki> if we didn't upload them all at once and keep the debian versioning, yes
[09:55] <tepsipakki> but imho we should go with debian ;)
[09:59] <seb128> well, what is that Provides useful for atm?
[09:59] <tepsipakki> xserver-xorg-core Depends on xserver-xorg-video
[09:59] <seb128> no, it doesn't
[10:00] <tepsipakki> well, something does :)
[10:00] <tepsipakki> can't check now
[10:00] <seb128> Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.0), libfontenc1, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2), libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, xserver-xorg
[10:00] <tepsipakki> xserver-xorg maybe
[10:00] <seb128> before update
[10:00] <seb128> Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input, libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libfontenc1, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[10:00] <seb128> did you drop that on purpose?
[10:01] <tepsipakki> is that from xserver-xorg-core?
[10:01] <seb128> yep
[10:01] <tepsipakki> hmm
[10:01] <tepsipakki> I'll check
[10:01] <seb128> that's xserver-xorg
[10:01] <seb128> Depends: xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, xkb-data | xkb-data-legacy, xbase-clients
[10:01] <tepsipakki> ok, so that covers it
[10:02] <seb128> we install xserver-xorg-video-all anyway
[10:02] <seb128> so we update all the drivers to provide xserver-xorg-video-1.0 and update xserver-xorg then?
[10:02] <tepsipakki> yes
[10:02] <tepsipakki> then we should be ok
[10:03] <seb128> maybe we can use xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video | xserver-xorg-video-1.0
[10:08] <tepsipakki> that would work during the transitional phase
[10:08] <tepsipakki> then we wouldn't need to upload all the drivers at the same time
[10:10] <seb128> right
[10:12] <tepsipakki> the old ati-driver had a Replaces/Conflicts with xserver-xorg-driver-atimisc which has never been in Ubuntu AFAICT
[10:12] <tepsipakki> so I dropped that delta
[10:13] <tepsipakki> nor was there any mention in the changelog about it
[10:18] <seb128> ok
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #48773 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Mouse doesn't get turned off on system shutdown" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48773
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88918 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "Request: sync new agpgart & drm modules for 50% DRI performance boost with Intel users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88918
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #5801 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "(NVidia only) Wrong default and maximum resolution on widescreen monitor (stretched 1024x768) on GeForce 6200" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5801
[02:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #20168 in xorg (main) "[radeon/rv280]  crash at startup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/20168
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88955 in xorg (main) "S3 trio 3D/2X video problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88955
[03:30] <tepsipakki> ok nv done, that makes 16 drivers..
[03:31] <tepsipakki> 21 to go
[03:31] <seb128> you did merge 16 of them already?
[03:31] <tepsipakki> yes
[03:31] <tepsipakki> and some updates
[03:32] <tepsipakki> like i810, nv
[03:32] <crimsun> tepsipakki: we should reject the mesa portion of 88918, no?
[03:32] <tepsipakki> bug 88918
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88918 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Request: sync new agpgart & drm modules for 50% DRI performance boost with Intel users" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88918
[03:33] <crimsun> I'm not sure why -i810's there, either
[03:33] <tepsipakki> yes, I think we just need the kernel to have newer drivers
[03:33] <crimsun> (unless it's for an UVFe for -i810?)
[03:34] <tepsipakki> I don't think UVF
[03:34] <tepsipakki> 's are needed
[03:34] <tepsipakki> ;)
[03:34] <tepsipakki> not quite yet anyway
[03:34] <crimsun> right, I thought it was a special case anyhow
[03:35] <crimsun> ok, rejected the mesa and -i810 tasks
[03:35] <tepsipakki> thanks
[05:26] <tepsipakki> ok, drivers up to and including sunffb done
[05:26] <tepsipakki> ten remains
[05:27] <tepsipakki> now home ->
[05:27] <seb128> they are at the usual place?
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #27508 in xorg (main) "Only 60 Hz display refresh available" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/27508
[06:04] <tepsipakki> seb128: not yet, I need to copy them there first
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88998 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Please upgrade to xorg 7.2 versions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88998
[10:14] <tepsipakki> I'll put the drivers available tomorrow all at once
[10:14] <tepsipakki> need to make sure they are ok first
[10:14] <seb128_> ok
[10:15] <seb128_> archive is frozen anyway
[10:15] <kylem> tepsipakki, ping me, i can help review if colin says it's ok.
[10:16] <cjwatson> kylem: please do
[10:17] <kylem> ok.
[10:24] <tepsipakki> manpower is needed, since there are 41 drivers ;)
[10:24] <tepsipakki> most of them are trivial
[10:24] <tepsipakki> should be synced if we could
[10:24] <kylem> i imagine very few of them changed
[10:25] <tepsipakki> true, but I've merged them all with debian
[10:25] <seb128_> yeah, most of them are syncs from Debian with no new version for xorg 7.2, just Conflicts,Replaces for Ubuntu
[10:25] <tepsipakki> some minor updater here and there
[10:25] <kylem> that's fine
[10:25] <tepsipakki> updates


[05:15] <superfly> Morning nlsthzn
[05:16] <nlsthzn> Good morning superfly
[05:16] <nlsthzn> how are you?
[05:16] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos GOOD MORNING!!!
[05:16] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:16] <superfly> nlsthzn: Mostly OK
[05:16] <superfly> and you?
[05:17] <nlsthzn> Not to shaby, last day of leave today, starting again tomorrow :'(
[05:17] <superfly> *shabby
[05:18] <superfly> Ah, tomorrow is my last work day till the 2nd
[05:19] <superfly> Hoping my S3 arrives today or tomorrow... Wishful thinking though...
[05:19] <nlsthzn> ah yes... my spelling is going to be bad as I don't have spell check at the moment :/ (makes me lazy)
[05:19] <superfly> Gonna miss my N900 though
[05:19] <nlsthzn> S3 is an amazing device :)
[05:19] <superfly> nlsthzn: neither do I :-P
[05:20] <nlsthzn> well correcting all the mistakes on the internet is a noble cause, good luck with that ;)
[05:20] <superfly> looking forward to it
[05:21] <nlsthzn> once you get tired of the easy peasy touchwiz interface it will be time for some custom ROMS :)
[05:21] <superfly> Yeah, I don't want touchwiz
[05:22] <superfly> gonna see if I can find the stock launcher somewhere and install that
[05:22] <superfly> And if I can't, CM here I come :-)
[05:23] <superfly> Will be cool to actually be able to use Google Now, unlike my Kindle which is a very plain tablet
[05:24] <nlsthzn> there are all the standard launchers in the play store... and Google Now is pretty awesome
[05:24] <nlsthzn> CM not the best for the S3...
[05:24] <nlsthzn> several big wholes they won't fix for it
[05:25] <nlsthzn> I am using a ROM based on CM and AOKP (or what ever that accronym is)
[05:26] <superfly> AOSP, I think... Android Open Source Project
[05:26] <nlsthzn> ya that one :p
[05:26] <superfly> What sort of holes?
[05:28] <nlsthzn> few things not working, radio, tethering and as per last time I checked a nice big memory whole
[05:28] <superfly> Ah, OK
[05:28] <nlsthzn> even now I have found I have to reboot my device sometimes and my camera will just not respond
[05:28] <nlsthzn> I am currently on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1815285
[05:29] <nlsthzn> so far I like it a lot (except the touch tone keys seem to be buggy so when I have to enter numbers in an automated phone system it gives the wrong sounds :/
[05:31]  * nlsthzn goes to play a game Dota while he still can... bbl
[05:31] <superfly> Ah, OK
[05:32] <superfly> Cape Town!
[05:35] <barrydk> Goodmorning all
[05:36] <magespawn> morning all
[05:37] <magespawn> wow Kilos must be sleeping late today
[05:37] <barrydk> yip too quiet
[05:45] <magespawn> superfly a change of planes about the phone?
[05:46] <magespawn> plans rather
[05:48] <magespawn> new google doodle, 200th anniversary of Grimms Fairy Tales
[05:50] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:51] <barrydk> Morning
[05:51] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:52] <barrydk> Big problems with my eyes this morning must go and see the doc
[05:52] <Kilos> whats wrong?
[05:53] <barrydk> Cant see myself working today and tommorow
[05:53] <Kilos> what is the prob
[05:54] <Kilos> dust infection or what
[05:54] <barrydk> Ek wil nie vandag en more werk nie. I dont want to work today and tommorow!!!
[05:55] <Kilos> how does that affect your eyes?
[05:55] <barrydk> I cant see myself working today
[05:57] <magespawn> lol
[05:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:57] <Kilos> funny peep
[05:57] <nlsthzn> morning magespawn , barrydk and uncle Kilos
[05:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[05:57] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn
[05:58] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn
[05:58]  * nlsthzn goes for a SSandS... bbl
[05:58] <barrydk> Ish oom Kilos you are slow this morning. Morning nlsthzn
[05:59] <Kilos> hmm
[05:59] <Kilos> im cross the game 0AD
[06:00] <Kilos> keeps rebooting the pc
[06:00] <Kilos> all that lovely data wasted
[06:00] <magespawn> just by installing or buy running the game Kilos?
[06:00] <Kilos> oh i see barrydk
[06:01] <Kilos> i installed about a month ago and yesterday while playing it rebooted once magespawn
[06:02] <Kilos> so i got it upgraded last night and it rebooted twice this morning so now i give up with that game
[06:02] <Symmetria> morning
[06:02] <Kilos> everything else works kiff on unity
[06:02] <Symmetria> lol, I swear my neighbors cat is living on borrowed time
[06:02] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[06:02] <magespawn> maybe not the game?
[06:02] <magespawn> morning Symmetria
[06:02] <Symmetria> it comes into my yard and wonders why it gets chased by a very angry snarling puppy
[06:03] <Kilos> lol
[06:03] <barrydk> Hi Symmetria
[06:03] <Symmetria> (and my dog is fairly placid, it loves everyone and everything, except that cat)
[06:03] <Kilos> barrydk, you using the eyes as an excuse ?
[06:03] <Kilos> and the peeps you chat to online Symmetria
[06:04] <Symmetria> hahaha kilos ok yeah, she doesnt like people on the other end of skype
[06:04] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <Symmetria> but thats because it confuses her and she cant find them
[06:04] <Symmetria> she runs in, looks at the tv, sees someone, can hear them, snarls and growls and runs around for half an hour trying to find them
[06:04] <Symmetria> :p
[06:05] <Symmetria> getting more and more pissy when she cant
[06:05] <Kilos> hehe
[06:05] <Kilos> let her spend time watching tv to get used to the missing peeps
[06:05] <barrydk> Thats right Kilos
[06:06] <Kilos> skelm
[06:06] <Kilos> eyes are a feeble excuse
[06:07] <Kilos> magespawn, do you do the G+ hangout thing?
[06:07] <Symmetria> kilos lol, my dog is a little strange, certain things that really piss it off, lightning is another one
[06:07] <Symmetria> she is scared of thunder, and growls and barks at lightning
[06:07] <Kilos> haha one of my staffies was like that . gun fire and car backfires as well
[06:09] <Kilos> had a souped up beach buggy that liked to backfire and he used to chomp on the exhaust everytime
[06:09] <Symmetria> the funniest thing I think that annoys my dog though is if she's sitting on the bed or something, and you slip your hand under the blanket and then scratch against the mattress, she thinks its a rodent or something, goes completely ballistic
[06:10] <Symmetria> starts attacking the bed as if it was coming to bite her or something
[06:10] <Symmetria> its hilarious
[06:10] <Kilos> lol
[06:10] <Symmetria> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1219/breaking49.html <[06:10] <magespawn> Kilos i have not yet been to a hang put
[06:10] <magespawn> out
 so who is up for weekly G+ Hangouts?
[06:11] <Kilos> dunno where guys will find time
[06:11] <Kilos> i just wanna know how much data it will use each time
[06:12] <magespawn> is you use the video, a lot i should imagine
[06:12] <Symmetria> wtf drugs is the ANC on... gotta love this statement:
[06:12] <Symmetria> “Commissions (at national and provincial level) will be able to hold disciplinary hearings but we hope members will make it easy for the ANC by resigning or stepping aside if there are serious allegations of corruption.
[06:12] <Kilos> ouch
[06:12] <Symmetria> yeah, the corrupt people are gonna make it easy by stepping aside the moment they are found out, because they have shown SUCH moral integrity
[06:13] <magespawn> Symmetria: the remaining bottles just trippled in value
[06:13]  * Symmetria rolls his eyes
[06:13] <magespawn> lol
[06:13] <Symmetria> magespawn lol this is true
[06:13] <Symmetria> magespawn its like my bottle of middleton single cask reserve (whisky)
[06:14] <Symmetria> they make 100 bottles every 25 years, each bottle is numbered, and signed by the distiller
[06:14] <magespawn> nice, you ever going to drink it?
[06:14] <Symmetria> when I bought my bottle (bottle number 78), it cost like, 700 euros, that was 4 or 5 years ago, when I had it valued 4 months ago, apparently only 12 of that run are still known to exist, bottle is now valued at 3 thousand euros
[06:14] <Symmetria> magespawn I doubt it :P
[06:15] <Symmetria> something about opening a bottle of anything worth that kinda money would make me ill :p
[06:15] <magespawn> better taste good then
[06:15] <magespawn> nah that is what it is for
[06:15] <Symmetria> that or I'd be so upset by opening it I'd have to drink it all to drown my sorrows :p
[06:16] <Symmetria> magespawn lol, not as bad as the bottle of Jameson Gold Reserve I saw for sale in the celtic whisky store in ireland
[06:16] <Symmetria> 1938!!!!
[06:16] <Symmetria> Cost for the bottle....... wait for it..........
[06:16] <magespawn> the current value is not in the taste but in the scarcity of the bottles
[06:16] <Symmetria> *38 THOUSAND EUROS*
[06:16] <Kilos> eeek
[06:16] <magespawn> and then it tastes like vinegar or worse
[06:16] <Kilos> peeps are crazy
[06:16] <Kilos> expensive headache
[06:17] <Symmetria> :P I wanna win like, the euro millions or something, then buy a 35 thousand euro bottle of something, walk into a pub and go "HEY! Lets play coinage!"  Dam laptop freez had to reboot. Told you i cant see myself working today
[07:13] <Maaz> barrydk: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell barrydk LOVE your comment about you eyes :-D" 19 minutes and 4 seconds ago
[07:14] <Kilos> barrydk, excuses excuses
[07:16] <barrydk> Im gona leave this chanel and look for one where one can get some sympathe
[07:16] <Symmetria> #carebears
[07:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:16] <Symmetria> :p
[07:20] <Kilos> last mail from maia is a buglink
[07:21] <magespawn> superfly you got the n900 on contract?
[07:21] <superfly> magespawn: nope, bought it on cacell.co.za
[07:22] <magespawn> mm never saw it on contract or at any cellular outlet
[07:23] <magespawn> superfly you gonna carry two phones?
[07:24] <magespawn> i have always wanted to see if you could use a usb to lan adapter to hardwire the n900 onto a network
[07:28] <superfly> magespawn: it never was, none of the networks imported it, and Nokia only does things officially via the networks
[07:28] <superfly> magespawn: no, will likely only carry the S3
[07:28] <superfly> not sure what I'll do with the N900
[07:28] <superfly> love it to bits though
[07:29] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:29] <magespawn> i did find it once in a vodacom store in ballito
[07:29] <magespawn> could use it as a server superfly
[07:29] <superfly> haha
[07:29] <superfly> I'll use it as my toy phone for installing MeeGo and SailFish
[07:30] <magespawn> install it in your car, use the smscon software, and you have gps tracking
[07:30] <mazal> Morning all
[07:30] <magespawn> hey Mazal
[07:32] <superfly> hi Maaz
[07:32] <superfly> ag, there I do it again
[07:32] <superfly> hi mazal
[07:33] <magespawn> superfly the fingers are already on holiday
[07:34] <magespawn> bbl y'all
[07:34] <Kilos> toods mage
[07:47] <Kilos> when you upgrade cpu to core 2 or dual core is your pc still a P4?
[07:53] <superfly> Kilos: it can be
[07:53] <Kilos> what decides superfly ?
[07:54] <superfly> Kilos: the CPU you buy... I don't think you get P4's anymore though
[07:54] <Kilos> i get lost with all these cpu's
[07:58] <Kilos> the pc shop here still supplies from a intel C 1.8g to a core 2 duo 2.8+
[08:26] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:27] <superfly> hi inetpro
[08:29] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[11:29] <Kilos> Maaz, lunch please
[11:29] <Maaz> Kilos You are just in time to grab a steak off the braai and there is pap, onion and tomato gravy and salads ready next to the stove.
[11:29] <Kilos> yum
[12:12] <barrydk> If any of you guys believe the world will end on the 21 Dec according to the Maja Calender, please make a list of your most valuable stuff and let me have it. Thanks
[12:45] <barrydk> Buy Guys have a great evening
[14:31] <Kilos> home time guys
[14:52] <superfly> Hi Kilos, you still around?
[14:52] <Kilos> yeah
[14:52] <Kilos> you onna train yet superfly
[14:53] <superfly> You've been quiet today, alles reg?
[14:53] <superfly> Ja, Obs station approaching
[14:53] <Kilos> yes ty. pc was rebooting more and more
[14:53] <superfly> Eish
[14:53] <Kilos> found its a bad connection on the psu mb connector
[14:54] <Kilos> still havent pinpointed it yet
[14:54] <superfly> Ah
[14:54] <Kilos> now it doesnt wanna reboot so will try get some of that switch cleaner soon
[14:56] <Kilos> on its own i mean
[16:08] <magespawn> evening all
[16:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn \
[16:13] <Kilos> the rebooting is a bad connection somewhere
[16:13] <Kilos> not 0AD
[16:35] <magespawn> that is sort of good i suppose
[16:36] <zeref> o0o0o
[16:37] <zeref> have not chatted here in a while.
[16:37] <zeref> hi Ubuntu-za
[16:37] <magespawn> hey zeref
[16:37] <magespawn> just lots of hmmm
[16:37] <Kilos> hi zeref
[16:38] <Kilos> ya hes the hmmmmer
[16:38] <Kilos> storm coming
[16:38] <Kilos> inetpro, get home quick if you not there already
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: to late
[16:39] <inetpro> it's raining at home already
[16:39] <Kilos> aw you wet?
[16:39] <Kilos> sorry
[16:39] <inetpro> but I'm at home :-)
[16:39] <Kilos> lol
[16:39] <Kilos> swine
[16:39] <magespawn> then stay at work
[16:39] <magespawn> hah
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: but thanks for the thought
[16:40] <Kilos> yw
[16:40] <inetpro> coming down in bucket loads here
[16:41] <Kilos> good. nothing here yet
[16:42] <Kilos> eek power crashed once already and it hasnt even started raining yet
[16:42] <magespawn> Kilos i just realised the other day what you email is
[16:42] <Kilos> lol what took so long magespawn
[16:42] <Kilos> the pro moaned at me in the beginning
[16:42] <magespawn> spelt it out did not read it aloud
[16:42] <Kilos> said its ugly
[16:43] <magespawn> thought it was funny
[16:43] <inetpro> eh
[16:43] <Kilos> the dom donner one?
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:43] <magespawn> thats the one
[16:43] <Kilos> the pro wants to buy it from me
[16:43] <magespawn> lol
[16:43] <Kilos> for his off days
[16:43] <inetpro> ai
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:46] <Kilos> just slight mod needed
[16:46] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:55] <Kilos> nou eers reen dit hier inetpro
[17:02] <magespawn> later guys, on my way home at last.
[17:09] <Kilos> bbl power gone
[18:31]  * inetpro 's 8ta network just died after a massive strike of lightning
[18:32] <inetpro> can see no further than the 3rd hop
[18:32] <inetpro> and I'm back again
[18:34] <inetpro> just thought I would have to fall back to Vodacom
[18:43] <superfly> ARGH!!!! They tried to deliver my S3 today!!!!!
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: eish! Sorry.
[19:07] <inetpro> superfly: what happened?
[19:07] <superfly> ah well, môre is nog 'n dag
[19:07] <superfly> inetpro: they tried to call me while I was on the phone
[19:07] <inetpro> ai
[19:34] <smile> byeee :)
[19:34] <inetpro> smile: goeie nag
[19:35] <smile> dankie jy ook :D
[20:05] <Kilos> eek
[20:06] <Kilos> power just came back and unity booted to 640X480 resolution
[20:06] <Kilos> grrr
[20:09] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:18] <tim-ct> hi all
[20:26] <superfly> hi tim-ct
[20:40] <inetpro> hi tim-ct
[20:51] <charl_> hi tim-ct
[20:51] <charl_> good evening all
[21:42] <tim-ct> anyone tell what I done wrong on my fireall   http://pastebin.com/uMHh6Vt7
[22:32] <smile> :-P
[22:32] <smile> I am back :)
[22:33] <smile> Maaz: 5+1
[22:33] <Maaz> smile: 6
[22:33] <smile> :-D
[22:34] <smile> Maaz: 6!
[22:34] <Maaz> smile: 6
[22:34] <smile> should be 720
[22:36] <smile> Maaz: you are cute
[22:36] <Maaz> smile: I already know stuff about you


[19:52] <maxb_> Ugh
[19:52]  * maxb_ gives up on systemd-resolved and removes it from nsswitch.conf
[19:53] <maxb> I wish people had paused to think of the implications for people who shift on and off VPNs before overhauling the DNS infrastructure of Ubuntu
[20:48] <tsimonq2> maxb: maybe pop in #ubuntu-devel and repeat that? the people in there made that decision, and I'm sure they have a perfectly logical reason for doing it, and maybe even a solution ;)


[07:26] <duflu> Wow. Good anti-aliasing = almost readable text at 3px high
[07:30] <zzarr> duflu, what? 3px awesome
[07:31] <duflu> zzarr: Just admiring Google docs previews. And trying to read the docs in tiny print
[07:31] <zzarr> duflu, nice, what device?
[07:31] <duflu> zzarr: Desktop
[07:31] <zzarr> duflu, mir?
[07:32] <duflu> zzarr: No just Chrome...
[07:32] <zzarr> duflu, okey
[07:32] <duflu> But I shall try to make Mir as good in future
[07:33] <zzarr> duflu, you're a programmer @ Canonical?
[07:33] <duflu> zzarr: Yes :)
[07:33] <zzarr> duflu, awesome
[07:35] <zzarr> duflu, I have obtained the kernel config from my ASUS Chromebook Flip (ARM, RK3288)
[07:35] <duflu> zzarr: Want to try to use Mir?
[07:36] <zzarr> I know I some how need to extract the hardware parts in order to merge with the Ubuntu kernel and use Mir
[07:36] <zzarr> duflu, you're right on the money
[07:37] <zzarr> duflu, I can't think of a better OS for the computer then Ubuntu since it have a touch screen and can flip in to a tablet
[07:37] <zzarr> I can boot it from a SD card
[07:37] <duflu> zzarr: If the kernel supports DRI for your graphics chip then you can stick with the ChromeOS kernel (which helps a lot and often is more likely to work for some ARM devices than stock Ubuntu)
[07:38] <duflu> zzarr: What's in /dev/dri?  or /sys/class/drm?
[07:39] <zzarr> duflu, I'll have a look
[07:40] <duflu> I am a ChromeOS fan too. Although Google has a habit of using very old kernels in ChromeOS and Android
[07:40] <zzarr> in /dev/dri card0 card1 controlD64 renderD128 renderD129
[07:40] <zzarr> duflu, yes, I know
[07:41] <zzarr> duflu, other whys the Chromebook is awesome
[07:41] <duflu> Yeah ChromeOS is pretty. But once you run Ubuntu on a Chromebook it's profoundly faster (for Intel anyway). Which means Google's got a lot of improving to do
[07:43] <duflu> I recall they are building a new display system to solve that (and replace X11 that it still uses I hear)
[07:43] <zzarr> in /sys/class/drm I find card0 card1 card1-eDP-1 card1-HDMI-A-1 controlD64 renderD128 renderD129 version
[07:43] <duflu> Although there might be other reasons why their windowing system is slow
[07:44] <zzarr> my Chromebook uses a windowing system called freon
[07:44] <duflu> zzarr: OK, good news: Your ChromeOS kernel has a chance of just working with Mir (Ubuntu in a chroot installed via https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton). It's definitely worth a try. You sure that's ARM and not Intel?
[07:45] <zzarr> duflu, I have a crouton chroot installed
[07:46] <duflu> zzarr: You'll need to have it set up for fullscreen Ubuntu (not Ubuntu in the browser)
[07:46] <zzarr> duflu, it's an ARM I'm sure about that
[07:46] <duflu> Wow that Chromebook Flip looks like a great device
[07:46] <zzarr> duflu, it is :-D
[07:47]  * duflu adds it to the wishlist
[07:47] <zzarr> quad core, 4GB RAM :-)
[07:48] <duflu> zzarr: OK then. The next hurdle you might find (I remember hitting this now) is that Chromebooks often lack VT support in their kernels. Which is not a big deal but just Mir can't deal with that yet -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1169020
[07:49] <duflu> So that will stop you unless you have the Mir code I suspect
[07:51] <zzarr> I have the kernel config for the chromebook, can I add a console to it that way?
[07:52] <duflu> Not sure. Not very likely how nailed down ChromeOS is. You can only change what Google lets you change
[07:53] <zzarr> but if I have the source code (which I have) and the config, can't I just configure and build a new kernel?
[07:56] <zzarr> I thought I might be able to build a kernel with this tutorial https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton/wiki/Build-chrome-os-kernel-and-kernel-modules
[08:04] <duflu> zzarr: If you're in a chroot then you need a kernel that doesn't break ChromeOS. So I would recommend keeping the existing one and we should fix Mir to suit
[08:05] <zzarr> duflu, yea, but I thougt I should build a new kernel and run a stand alone environment from a SD card
[08:05] <duflu> zzarr: Sounds like the Ubuntu kernel lacks support for the chipset then?
[08:05] <duflu> Usually does for newish ARM devices
[08:06] <zzarr> yes, but I can configure a Chromebook kernel and build it
[08:07] <zzarr> so I install a custom Chromebook kernel on the SD card along with Ubuntu
[08:07] <zzarr> that way I should get the best of both worlds
[08:07] <duflu> True
[08:08] <duflu> zzarr: I would personally recommend sticking with the chroot though. Fixing Mir theoretically is easier than building your own OS with custom kernel :)
[08:09] <zzarr> duflu, I have that as a second way out then :-)
[08:09] <zzarr> it's more fun to try it from scratch
[08:09] <duflu> It's good you think that
[08:10] <duflu> Because someone has to be adventurous and try
[08:10] <zzarr> I have built linux kernels before (for UltraSparc)
[08:11] <zzarr> duflu, exactly, that's the way we move forward
[08:12] <zzarr> duflu, I'm a programmer too you see, so I know about the fact that some things are hard to do
[08:21] <zzarr> duflu, what line or lines define the console in the kernel config?
[08:22] <duflu> zzarr: Sorry, don't know
[08:22] <zzarr> okey, I'll stfg it
[09:09] <duflu> zzarr: Thanks for reminding me about the VT bug though. If I remember and get time I'll try to fix it before the bug reaches 1 year old
[09:09] <zzarr> duflu, no problem :-)
[09:09] <duflu> Actually the bug was from 2013, but I only associated it with chromebooks mid last year
[09:15] <zzarr> duflu, okey
[09:15] <duflu> If Xorg in an Ubuntu chroot can start, Mir has no excuse for failing to start...
[09:16] <duflu> We just have unnecessary error checking. And some errors are not really errors.
[09:18] <zzarr> duflu, that explains it
[09:19] <zzarr> duflu, but I don't get any 3D/OpelGLES support in the chroot (since ChromeOS uses freon)
[09:21] <zzarr> duflu, I though of making a freon to mir wrapper (I don't know if it's a good idea or not a time a go)
[09:22] <zzarr> duflu, I guess it would be a huge project even though both mir and freon is based of some parts of wayland
[09:22] <zzarr> not knowing if they are the same parts or not
[09:24] <duflu> zzarr: I'm not sure about Freon, but Mir and Wayland are entirely unrelated other than both (only just recently) use the same input library libinput.
[09:24] <duflu> I thought Freon was also completely separate
[09:25] <zzarr> duflu, okey, so mir has nothing to do with wayland.... I see, I think that freon has thought
[09:27] <duflu> zzarr: You remind me now that Mir (when using the mesa-kms driver) also requires a device-specific driver in the Ubuntu chroot under /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/. As Ubuntu doesn't have that for your ARM chip, it will be software-rendered even when working properly
[09:27] <duflu> Which is not good. It won't run well at all
[09:29] <zzarr> duflu, that's not nice
[09:30] <duflu> zzarr: I know. It's because we use the Mesa implementation of OpenGL, which is portable but requires a DRI module specific to Mesa and the chipset to be accelerated
[09:31] <duflu> So hardware-accelerated Mir is limited to those covered by /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/*
[09:31] <duflu> Minus *sw* :)
[09:35] <zzarr> duflu, so I will not be able to get an accelerated mir without that driver what ever kernel config I manage to create?
[09:35] <duflu> zzarr: I suspect that's right
[09:36] <zzarr> duflu, could I use an android-lxc for mir?
[09:36] <duflu> Unless you can find a custom libGLESv2 that works for your chipset
[09:37] <duflu> zzarr: For ARM hardware you might find usable drivers from Android, yes. But that's a maybe.
[09:38] <duflu> But Mir (via libhybris) only knows how to do that within an Android filesystem.... I think?
[09:38] <zzarr> duflu, I know for a fact that there are Android devices based off of RK3288
[09:38] <zzarr> duflu, I suspect that you're right
[09:46] <duflu> I should clarify that using any custom libGLESv2 (e.g. future Nvidia support!) also requires a custom Mir driver to be written to bootstrap it for mode setting and buffer management
[09:48] <duflu> Hmm actually that's not quite right. We might be able to mix and match. But no matter because such a /usable/ libGLESv2 for RK3288 may not exist.
[09:49] <duflu> Or likely we're missing other glue
[09:50] <zzarr> duflu, okey, is it possible somehow to compile a libGLESv2 for RK3288 myself?
[09:53] <zzarr> duflu, or do I need deep knowledge about how the RK3288 chip (Mali764) is built?
[09:54] <duflu> zzarr: You might need source code, but actually the ABI for libGLESv2 is well known. So you might be able to find and just copy a binary too. Although that assumes it's no linking to something awkward (like Android's bionic)
[09:55] <zzarr> duflu, okey
[12:02] <faenil> hello people
[12:03] <core_t> hi
[12:03] <faenil> After 1 day of debugging we found out the vivid+overlayppa LAPTOP setup I have here didn't boot to unity8
[12:03] <faenil> because it was missing
[12:03] <faenil> EGL_PLATFORM=mir
[12:04] <faenil> but it seems that env var should not even be needed
[12:04] <faenil> I'm here to report the issue and ask for advice :)
[12:05] <core_t> doesn't sound like a mir problem, try with unity people #ubuntu-unity
[12:05] <core_t> j/k :P
[12:05] <faenil> LOL
[12:06] <faenil> I was about to throw a digital fist over :D
[12:06] <core_t> :D
[12:08] <alan_g> faenil: I've never used EGL_PLATFORM=mir - I wonder what detects it.
[12:08] <faenil> alan_g: you mean who needs it?
[12:08] <alan_g> ack
[12:08] <faenil> without that, libEGL turns to libX11-xcb, and calls GetXcbConnection -> segfault
[12:10] <alan_g> alf: any ideas? ^^
[12:14] <alan_g> faenil: is $DISPLAY set? Unsetting that might discourage attempting an X connection
[12:14] <faenil> alan_g: we tried with DISPLAY= cmd
[12:14] <faenil> no diff
[12:14]  * alan_g suspected as much
[12:17] <alan_g> faenil: I imagine you must have more than a vanilla vivid+overlay setup to get unity8 desktop. What else did you install?
[12:17] <faenil> just unity8-desktop-session-mir
[12:17] <faenil> then discovered that didn't pull in mir platform and client packages
[12:17] <faenil> so I installed 2-3 packages
[12:18] <faenil> mesa-kms, mesa-x, evdev4...
[12:18] <faenil> and that's it
[12:18] <alan_g> mir-graphics-drivers-desktop?
[12:19] <alan_g> That *ought* to pull in all the needed stuff in one go
[12:19]  * alan_g grabs v+o laptop
[12:21] <faenil> alan_g: yep, already reported a bug where that was suggested
[12:22] <faenil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1538659
[12:22] <faenil> oh, it was you :P
[12:23] <alan_g> :^)
[12:23] <faenil> so, yeah, I don't know what else could be missing
[12:24] <alan_g> Just updating & installing - I'll see what happens here and if I can diagnose
[12:25] <faenil> my laptop is running overlayppa as well, and I can boot unity8 without hacks
[12:25] <faenil> so I'm more inclined to think we're missing a pkg
[12:26] <alan_g> Sorry, what's the difference between "my laptop is running overlayppa" and "vivid+overlayppa LAPTOP setup"?
[12:31] <alan_g> I've probably other packages installed, but with apt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir  mir-graphics-drivers-desktop I can start a guest session with unity8. (But all I get is a black screen with a cursor)
[12:35] <faenil> alan_g: the buggy one is not my laptop
[12:35] <faenil> it's a laptop I setup from scratch :)
[12:35] <alan_g> Ah, that's because USC is running, but nothing is connected to it.
[12:35] <faenil> alan_g: yes that's the issue, unity8 dies
[12:35] <faenil> good, you can reproduce it ;)
[12:35] <alan_g> \o/
[12:35] <faenil> that's the issue :)
[12:36] <faenil> if you add EGL_PLATFORM=mir somewhere so that unity8 picks it up
[12:36] <faenil> it will boot to unity8 :)
[12:37] <alf> alan_g: I wonder if changes to the way we export symbols have made it impossible for mesa to detect that mir is running
[12:38]  * alan_g wonders where USC publishes the endpoint. There's no /tmp/mir_socket
[12:40] <alf> alan_g: Perhaps USC doesn't publish an endpoint, the connection fd is just passed to sessions?
[12:41]  * alf has only faint memories of such facts, but can't be sure
[12:44] <alan_g> My memory is that robert_a couldn't make that work at first, and so publishing the endpoint got "embedded"
[12:46] <anpok> thought it was moved to /run/mir_socket .. or something like that
[12:47] <alan_g> You're thinking of $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/mir_socket - but root tends not to have $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR set
[12:48] <kdub> isnt it /var/run/mir_socket?
[12:50] <anpok> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/head:/src/unity-system-compositor.c#L467
[12:50] <anpok> use the source lukes
[12:50] <alan_g> it's /run/lightdm-mir-0
[12:51] <anpok> on desktop?
[12:52] <alan_g> OK, I can crash a mir client. I'll dig into it after lunch
[12:59] <faenil> alan_g|lunch: yeah it crashes on GetXcbConnection
[12:59] <faenil> (most likely, or at least that was what we found out yesterday)
[12:59] <faenil> libEGL -> libX11-xcb -> GetXcbConnection -> segfault
[13:00] <alf> Saviq: Hi! I am trying to setup sbuild for Mir, duplicating what you have done for unity8. For the prepare-1-sbuild job how do I get the key files to pass as parameters? Can I just do 'sbuild-update --keygen' locally and upload, or do I need to do something different?
[13:01] <Saviq> alf, yeah, that's what I did
[13:02] <Saviq> should have documented that
[13:02] <alf> Saviq: btw, you have done a great job with all the prepare and build scripts. I am have I can just copy them with small changes and they work :)
[13:03] <alf> Saviq: s/I am have/I am happy/
[13:03] <Saviq> alf, changes!? :P
[13:03] <Saviq> alf, would be interested to know what you needed :)
[13:04] <alf> Saviq: not additions, just skipping some parts because I don't yet have some plugins currently installed (e.g. conditional build step, set build name)
[13:04] <Saviq> alf, ah those
[13:05] <Saviq> alf, I'm not totally sure about the conditional build steps, the plan was to skip heavy steps if they've been done on a machine already
[13:05] <Saviq> so you can just run the prepare job and let it figure stuff out
[13:05] <Saviq> seems to be working fine
[14:05] <alan_g> faenil: can you confirm whether apt-get remove mir-client-platform-mesa2 fixes the problem for you? (It works for me)
[14:06]  * alan_g thinks that there's a packaging "incantation" missing somewhere
[14:20] <faenil> alan_g: I hope it's not that, because that's what I did for my own laptop as well a week ago, but I think I checked that and mesa pkg was not installed in the setup I made from scratch
[14:21] <faenil> let's see...
[14:21] <faenil> alan_g: and I agree about the pkg incantation, that's my opinion as well
[14:21] <faenil> alan_g: crap, it's installed...
[14:22] <faenil> I spent two days debugging an issue I fixed on my own laptop by myself a week ago.
[14:22]  * faenil headdesks
[14:32] <faenil> greyback: ^
[14:32] <faenil> (ok, it was 2 weeks ago)
[14:34] <greyback> faenil: you're joking?!
[14:36] <faenil> greyback: I wish I were
[14:36] <greyback> aiii
[14:37] <greyback> still,  that identifies a mir packaging/so lib issue
[14:37] <faenil> yeah, let's see if I reported a bug first time got my own laptop booting
[14:38]  * faenil reads backlog from good old times
[14:46] <faenil> [13.01.16][17:59]<      faenil> | anpok: I've got mesa.so.2 and mesa.so.3
[14:46] <faenil> [13.01.16][18:01]<       anpok> | try to get rid of mesa.so.2
[14:47] <faenil> greyback: ^ he saved me last time :D
[14:49] <faenil> [13.01.16][17:58]<       anpok> | crash in XGetXcbConnection sound like mesa loads an older mir client driver and tries to verify the EGL Display it got from the mir server
[14:50] <faenil> boom, that was the winning hint
[14:50] <faenil> dednick: ^ if you're interested :)
[14:54] <dednick> heh
[14:56] <dednick> proable need a Replaces: mesa2 in the package control for mesa3
[14:57] <faenil> alan_g: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/unity8-desktop-session/trunk/view/head:/debian/control#L18
[14:57] <dednick> i have about 10 different versions of mir on my laptop. sound probably sort that out!
[14:58] <faenil> so, desktop session is depending mir-graphics-drivers-desktop already
[14:58] <alan_g> dednick: I think "Breaks" is probably right, but I disavow all knowledge of those rules
[14:59] <dednick> yeah. i have no idea which one it is :)
[15:01] <alan_g> faenil: did you raise a bug? I can poke RAOF about adding the right incantation. (I trust his advice on these.)
[15:01] <faenil> alan_g: ok, the problem with session-mir is that overlay PPA has a version from March 2015
[15:01] <faenil> which didn't pull in drivers
[15:02] <alan_g> That needs an update then.
[15:03] <faenil> sil2100: ^
[15:03] <faenil> now, who pulled in mesa2 and mesa3 at the same time is another mistery that needs solving
[15:03] <faenil> s/who/what
[15:04] <sil2100> faenil: hmmm, could you guys get a bug filled for that?
[15:04] <faenil> sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1538659
[15:04] <faenil> I will rename the title now
[15:05] <sil2100> faenil: thanks, let me look at it shortly
[15:05] <faenil> sil2100: the PPA doesn't have that pkg, so it's coming from vivid archive
[15:08] <faenil> sil2100: title updated
[15:22] <faenil> alan_g: I'm not sure what I should report a bug about
[15:22] <faenil> that somehow I end up with mesa2 and mesa3 together after installing vivid and session-mir? :D
[15:24] <alan_g> Well, that would be fine except that recent libmirclients die if mesa2 is installed.
[15:25] <alan_g> There ought to be some way to tell dpkg to sort that out.
[15:26] <alan_g> But if you've not logged a bug already I can create on
[15:26] <alan_g> *one
[15:31] <kdub> what's that trick for using bzr and meld? is it just "bzr diff -r lp:mir --using meld" ?
[15:32] <faenil> alan_g: yeah I just don't know who pulls both mesa2 and mesa3 in
[15:33] <faenil> (haven't filed a bug yet)
[15:34] <alan_g> faenil: mesa2 is probably from a seed. mir-graphics-drivers-desktop?
[15:34] <alan_g> Or maybe its mesa?
[15:54] <faenil> alan_g: don't know
[16:59] <faenil> alan_g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1539184
[17:00] <faenil> I left it vague
[17:00] <faenil> at least we won't forget about it now ;)
[17:11] <alan_g> faenil: thanks, I'll update
[17:15] <faenil> cheers


[14:56] <enr0n> Can a core dev please retry the systemd autopkgtest regressions in jammy: retry-autopkgtest-regressions --blocks systemd -s jammy ?
[14:56] <enr0n> The s390x ones are testbed failures, and I believe the rest are flaky or at least deserve a retry.
[15:01] <jawn-smith> enr0n: on it
[15:05] <enr0n> jawn-smith: thanks!
[20:06] <jawn-smith> foka: Have you looked into the FTBFS of hugo at all?
[20:15] <foka> jawn-smith: Is there a FTBFS with hugo 0.102.3-1?
[20:15] <jawn-smith> In ubuntu, yes. It seems to have some failing tests on ppc64el
[20:16] <jawn-smith> I can look into it if you're busy. Just don't want to duplicate effort
[20:20] <foka> jawn-smith: Sorry, I wasn't aware that there was a FTBFS on ppc64el on Ubuntu. Were you referring to this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hugo/0.102.3-1/+build/24346618
[20:21] <foka> jawn-smith: I haven't looked at it yet, and likely no time today; if you don't mind looking into it, that would be great! Many thanks!
[20:22] <jawn-smith> Yes, that's the failed build. I will look into it! The version in release is depending on golang-1.18, and we would like to remove that before 22.10
[20:22] <jawn-smith> But the version in proposed depends on golang-1.19 instead, which solves that problem
[21:54] <waveform> any idea where we define the available disk space for an amd64 instance running autopkgtests? livecd-rootfs is consistently failing with "No space left on device" (which is all that's left blocking u-boot) and after diff'ing the logs against the last successful run, AFAICT it's just been tipped over the edge by one of the images it produces being ~40MB bigger than last time
[22:51] <xypron> waveform: When you run autopkgtests manually you can set the size of the image for the VM, see https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud.1.html.  I would assume that it is a launchpad setting how big an image is used for the VM that launchpad uses. Maybe create a question for "launchpad  itself" (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion).
[23:42] <dbungert> waveform: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#autopkgtests says the default is "similar to a m1.small", but that wiki entry only talks memory, cpu, and timeout.  Other online resources put m1.small on a 160G disk, do you think it's plausible that livecd-rootfs is hitting that?