[00:03] <friendlyGoat> im not sure if this is the right place to ask but im having a weird issue with Grub. 1: grubs not showing a menu when i boot up xubuntu, it just goes straight to xubuntu. 2: grubs not showing up when i first turn on my computer. it just goes to windows and to get to xubuntu i have to hit F9 and click on it
[00:03] <friendlyGoat> i'd like to be shown a grub menu when first turning on my computer so i can choose between xubuntu or windows
[00:06] <pikapika> Same friendlyGoat
[00:06] <pikapika> except I only have xubuntu on this machine, no windows
[00:07] <Makerblaker> Did you install Xubuntu then Windows after?
[00:07] <Unit193> friendlyGoat: Hit 'Shift' right after the post screen, presuming grub is properly installed.
[00:07] <friendlyGoat> i installed windows then xubuntu after
[00:07] <Unit193> Also yeah if you installed Windows second, then it'll install to the MBR/UEFI and overwrite grub anyway.
[00:08] <pikapika> In my case, you can more or less consider I started from a blank slate
[00:08] <pikapika> But yes, same here
[00:08] <friendlyGoat> windows is on UEFI and xubuntu on my machine installed to legacy boot order for some reason
[00:08] <pikapika> Goes straight to xubuntu without any menu
[00:08] <pikapika> I mean
[00:08] <pikapika> Not that it matters much now, given that its the only os
[00:09] <pikapika> But still
[00:09] <Unit193> You might want to read up on GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE in info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'  too.
[00:09] <pikapika> I gotta be sure this is not an error with grub
[00:10] <friendlyGoat> im thinking of looking at my MBR file but im a little worried about ruining absolutely everything
[00:11] <friendlyGoat> i also saw some stuff about installing grub to EFI?
[00:11] <friendlyGoat> im not doing anything without properly reading up but its a bit nerveracking
[00:19] <friendlyGoat> gonna log back into here on my phone
[00:19] <pikapika> yeah no
[00:19] <pikapika> afaik
[00:20] <pikapika> if you've done as an mbr installation already then its best to let it be
[00:21] <friendlyGoat> back
[00:21] <pikapika> Bleatings
[00:22] <friendlyGoat> haha hi
[00:22] <pikapika> :D
[00:27] <pikapika> also
[00:28] <pikapika> Are thumbnails suddenly not working for anyone else?
[00:28] <pikapika> restarting tumblerd and thunar didn't help
[00:28] <pikapika> maybe I should reboot and see idk
[00:51] <friendlyGoat> part of me is wondering about fixing my grub problem but another part of me doesnt mind as much and just desires busy work
[00:51] <friendlyGoat> im a worker goat
[00:53] <friendlyGoat> my set up is kinda streamlined in a stupid way. i manually boot into xubuntu then i take advantage of windows booting by default by using the reboot command to turn off linux and smoothly go into windows when wine wont run something or a game i like isnt ported
[00:55] <pikapika> friendlyGoat, have you ever met a friendlyGogoat?
[00:58] <friendlyGoat> i havent raised one but i do like them
[01:00] <pikapika> ( #xubuntu-offtopic would be better for these kinds of talk)
[01:35] <pikapika> nope
[01:35] <pikapika> reboot didn't help either
[01:35] <pikapika> still no thumbnails
[21:02] <xubuntu02w> hello
[21:05] <xubuntu02w> I recently upgraded from Xubu16.04 to 18.04.  However the Numix theme leaves the Whisker Menu in what looks like the 'Greybird' theme.  I have seen others discussing this but not yet found a fix.  I can confirm the bug in both AMD64 and i386 versions.  Can anyone help me on this?
[21:08] <brainwash> xubuntu02w: got a screenshot?
[21:11] <xubuntu02w> Standby!
[21:14] <xubuntu02w> How do I upload the SS?
[21:14] <Spass> you can use https://imgbb.com/
[21:15] <xubuntu02w> https://ibb.co/Zx2Rv6z
[21:16] <xubuntu02w> Thanks @Spass
[21:17] <Spass> looks like Numix to me, I think that they changed to light styling of that menu some time ago
[21:18] <Spass> when you hover over a program in the menu, is the selection background orange?
[21:18] <xubuntu02w> Normally, the Numix theme would have the menu dark to match.  This changed happened with 18.04
[21:18] <xubuntu02w> yes
[21:18] <Spass> yes, because 18.04 probably has a newer numix theme version
[21:18] <Spass> well, if it's orange, it's Numix for sure
[21:19] <xubuntu02w> It is Numix as found in Xubu's Appearance Manager
[21:20] <Spass> yes, Numix GTK theme is in the official repositories, look here - https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=numix-gtk-theme&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[21:20] <xubuntu02w> I think it is a bug from things I have read.  Notice that the default user icon in the Whisker Menu is meant for a DARK theme...
[21:20] <Spass> as you can see, much newer version
[21:21] <Spass> so it's probably not a bug, it's just a change in the theme, so you can probably talk about it with the numix devs
[21:22] <brainwash> xubuntu02w: https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme/issues/708
[21:22] <xubuntu02w> @brainwash thanks I already saw that...
[21:23] <brainwash> okay
[21:23] <brainwash> so, why you still ask here?
[21:24] <xubuntu02w> Well, because it seems to be a rough work-around at best.
[21:24] <xubuntu02w> I will go if you prefer.
[21:25] <brainwash> #708 and the linked #666 issue offer fixes
[21:25] <brainwash> you said that there are none
[21:25] <brainwash> gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme = true
[21:25] <brainwash> this one is not what you want?
[21:27] <Spass> and your other option (although not a perfect one) is to get the older version from the DEB package from xenial, extract it and put into ~/.themes folder named "Numix-old" or something like that
[21:27] <Spass> but since it's old it may not look good on some apps, so I cannot recommend that solution
[21:28] <xubuntu02w> It seems like this is something that happened in the change to GTK 3
[21:28] <Spass> and it may still not work with new Whisker
[21:29] <Spass> so, solution(s) mentioned on GitHub is a way to go
[21:29] <xubuntu02w> Found this...  https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13646
[21:31] <xubuntu02w> Thanks for the help
[22:12] <xubuntu02w> hi
[22:12] <xubuntu02w> how can hide my ssid in xubuntu ??
[22:14] <xubuntu02w> hi boys
[22:14] <xubuntu02w> dude
[22:14] <xubuntu02w> any here
[22:14] <xubuntu02w> hellooooo
[22:15] <xubuntu02w> babe babe please
[22:15] <xubuntu02w> hi the_milkman
[22:16] <xubuntu02w> can help me somebody
[22:19] <Mordoc> xubuntu02w, Are you talking about hiding a peer to peer wifi ssid?
[22:22] <Mordoc> A quick bit of Googl'ing suggests this isn't documented anywhere.


 Heyy,
 I just updated it
 After that i cant able to see plasma 🥲
 Uts totally transparent
 And also right click on desktop is not working
 Heyy,
 I just updated it
 this is how my desktop look line ,😔,but now it's not showing top bar : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4dd2a52b/file_59945.jpg
[04:34] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd I'm missing what's wrong, is there supposed to be something in the screenshot that's now missing?
[04:34] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: If it's just the missing top bar, try right-clicking on your desktop and adding a new Kubuntu Default Panel.
 i cant able to right click on desktop (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: If it's just the missing top bar, try right-clicking on your desktop and adding a new Kubuntu Default Panel.)
[04:35] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: What happens if you press Ctrl+Alt+T?
 i hv shared a video , but due to slow net is just going .... (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: If it's just the missing top bar, try right-clicking on your desktop and adding a new Kubuntu Default Panel.)
 wait (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: What happens if you press Ctrl+Alt+T?)
[04:35] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK, I'll wait.
 umm , i know it's shortcut to open konsol , but it's changed somehow ,(my mistake)
 but i have downloaded latte dock which is working , so i can open konsol easily (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Ah, OK, I'll wait.)
[04:37] <arraybolt3> Nice. Does it show up?
 what?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Nice. Does it show up?)
[04:38] <arraybolt3> I mean, if you open Konsole, does it appear on the screen?
 yess (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> I mean, if you open Konsole, does it appear on the screen?)
[04:38] <arraybolt3> OK, try running "systemsettings".
 ok
 yea , done
[04:39] <arraybolt3> That should open a settings window. Hopefully you should be able to fix the problem from there.
 opened setting
 noo ,  i dont know how to solve it (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> That should open a settings window. Hopefully you should be able to fix the problem from there.)
[04:39] <arraybolt3> Once the video comes through, I may be able to tell you what settings to change.
 ok , 7.8/8.9 mb uploaded (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Once the video comes through, I may be able to tell you what settings to change.)
 here's video (re @milesdredd: )
[04:41] <arraybolt3> Oh great. It's not coming through for me (I'm on IRC, you're bridged from Telegram to IRC). Maybe you can try uploading it to Imgur if it lets you do that?
 ooops , again i hv to upload 😔
[04:42] <arraybolt3> The video needs to be 60 seconds or shorter to upload to Imgur, once uploaded, send the link.
 umm , can i try google drive ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> The video needs to be 60 seconds or shorter to upload to Imgur, once uploaded, send the link.)
 from there i can send u link of longer video
[04:43] <arraybolt3> Yeah, sure.
 ok thanks
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/198x4WoaxUUBaQ0Sj4RbB_pRN_-kYocfA/view?usp=drivesdk (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Yeah, sure.)
 pls see
[04:48] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: Google is taking a while to process it now, so I'm still not quite able to view it, and my video player didn't like it, so it may be a bit.
 can u see screenshot ?
[04:49] <arraybolt3> Yeah, but on the screenshot, I can't tell what's gone wrong.
[04:49] <arraybolt3> To me it looks normal, so hopefully the video will show up the problem better.
 yea , coz it ss of prev day (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> To me it looks normal, so hopefully the video will show up the problem better.)
 ok wait
 see : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/344776f2/file_59948.jpg
 in this , plasma is just transparent
[04:51] <arraybolt3> Oh, good grief. That showed it up.
[04:51] <arraybolt3> What in the world...?
[04:52] <arraybolt3> Try running "kwin_x11 --replace".
 ok (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Try running "kwin_x11 --replace".)
 world? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> What in the world...?)
[04:52] <arraybolt3> It's an expression of surprise. I've never seen Kubuntu look that bad before that I can remember.
 ohhh😅
 milesdredd@milesdredd-k-notebook:~$ kwin_x11 --replace
 OpenGL vendor string:                   AMD
 OpenGL renderer string:                 AMD KABINI (LLVM 13.0.1, DRM 2.50, 5.15.0-27-generic)
 OpenGL version string:                  4.5 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 22.0.5
 OpenGL shading language version string: 4.50
 Driver:                                 RadeonSI
[04:54] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: Umm... can you not paste output from commands like that? It triggers a bot in here to mute you for about 60 seconds, and then I can't see anything else you type for that time.
[04:54] <arraybolt3> (If you want to share command output, try using a pastebin website like bpa.st.)
[04:55] <arraybolt3> Once the bot unmutes you, I'll let you know.
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Hmm, it still has you muted. Sorry about the inconvenience. Hopefully this shouldn't be much longer.
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Ah, there it goes. You are unmuted.
 ok
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Did anything improve after running that command?
 no (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Did anything improve after running that command?)
[04:58] <arraybolt3> Hmm. Well, this is probably silly, but did you try shutting down and turning your computer back on again?
 still same , and now , wallpaper changed and its a screenshot of what i m doing now (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Did anything improve after running that command?)
 yea already tried (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Hmm. Well, this is probably silly, but did you try shutting down and turning your computer back on again?)
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Hmm. OK, press Ctrl+C in Konsole to stop kwin. This may make your display look even more broken, but it's OK, we're about to try and fix it.
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Once that's done, run "systemsettings" again, and search for "user".
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Then try and make a new user account. Once that's done, shut down the computer, turn back on, and log into the new user account.
 after stopping kwin? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Once that's done, run "systemsettings" again, and search for "user".)
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Yes, after stopping kwin.
 ok
[05:02] <arraybolt3> Also, when you make the new user account, make it an administrator.
 I already have another user
 With administration privilege (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Also, when you make the new user account, make it an administrator.)
[05:04] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[05:04] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK. Then log into that one.
 Ok
[05:05] <arraybolt3> If everything looks normal there, then the problem is probably your user account's configuration.
 Ohh then how to reset config?
[05:06] <arraybolt3> And if that's the case, we can probably repair it, but I'm getting really tired (I've had a long day) and probably can't help with that tonight. However, you should be able to keep using your computer now, and we can finish fixing things tomorrow.
 Okk , just logging into another user ,
 Gimme me few sec
 Yea here its working
 What should i do?
[05:07] <arraybolt3> Nice. You should still be able to access your old user's files by going to /home/<old username here> in Dolphin.
 Hiw to change plasma config ?
[05:09] <arraybolt3> That part's tricky. You probably have some extension or something installed that's messing things up, but I don't know how to uninstall those.
[05:09] <arraybolt3> I'd try to migrate your data from the old user account to the new one.
[05:09] <arraybolt3> *copy your data, I mean
 I hmm
[05:09] <arraybolt3> Once you're certain you got all the data you need, leave everything for like a week or so, so that if you forgot something you have time to remember.
[05:10] <arraybolt3> Then once you have absolutely everything (including passwords saved in your browser and things like that), you can delete the old account.
[05:10] <arraybolt3> *have absolutely everything copied over
 Its difficult , i will try to solve plasma instead (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> *have absolutely everything copied over)
[05:11] <arraybolt3> OK. I'm too tired to try to help with that tonight, but maybe we can try tomorrow?
 Okok
 Thank (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> OK. I'm too tired to try to help with that tonight, but maybe we can try tomorrow?)
[05:11] <arraybolt3> Sure. Sorry to have to delay things.
 No problem 👍
[05:12] <arraybolt3> If you can remember what you did last just before things went wrong, that may help. And if the last thing you did was an update, try to remember the last thing(s) you did before that.
 Ig , from discover , i can remove addons
 Noo before update it was running fine , (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> If you can remember what you did last just before things went wrong, that may help. And if the last thing you did was an update, try to remember the last thing(s) you did before that.)
[05:13] <arraybolt3> Then I would guess something went really wrong with an addon then.
 Hmm
[05:14] <arraybolt3> (I just installed updates on a KDE system today or maybe earlier, and it didn't end up looking like that after it was done.)
[05:15] <arraybolt3> And since it all works right on a different user, that makes me especially suspicious of any add-ons that were installed on the broken user account.
[05:16] <arraybolt3> If you have any important data in the add-ons, make sure to save that data before removing them. (I don't know if that's even possible to have important data inside an add-on, but if it is, back it up.)
[05:17] <arraybolt3> *make backups of that data, I mean
 Okk
 Heyyy, uts plasma 5.25 , means newer one right?
 In which we cam make plasma float ?🥳
 Still it not showing for me , but i will try to figure it out
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4b075fed/file_59949.jpg
 Yeaaaa its new
 I m so happy ,
 But its not working 😔
[05:23] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: Plasma 5.25 is... buggy. So buggy that even Manjaro, a rolling-release distro, chose to not upgrade to it if I'm understanding correctly.
[05:24] <arraybolt3> So I really would **not** recommend trying to upgrade your system to using Plamsa 5.25.
 Yea , i also listened that ,
 But i was unaware tht i m updating to it
[05:24] <arraybolt3> You already have updated to it?
 Yea
 Its done 🐱 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> So I really would **not** recommend trying to upgrade your system to using Plamsa 5.25.)
[05:25] <arraybolt3> Like, your system just automatically installed it? Hmm, what PPA did you add to your system that made it do that?
[05:25] <arraybolt3> I mean, I guess if it's there now, you probably shouldn't try to downgrade, or else something else might break.
 Yea once i searched in google ,
 It suggested a ppa ,so i did that way (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Like, your system just automatically installed it? Hmm, what PPA did you add to your system that made it do that?)
 Yea (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> I mean, I guess if it's there now, you probably shouldn't try to downgrade, or else something else might break.)
[05:26] <arraybolt3> But in the future, it's probably best to not install experimental PPAs and stuff like that on a system that you use for real work. You can use virtual machines to experiment with stuff if you want to without risking your computer's usability.
 Yeaa , i was curious to see new plasma 🥲😅 ,
 So i did
[05:27] <arraybolt3> But still, I would leave the PPA and everything in place until you can back up your data and reinstall Kubuntu entirely. If and when you choose to do that, make sure to back up stuff like browser passwords and other "hidden" but important data.
 Ah , no problem , i will wait to fix it , i will try reseting plasma , and i will remove all addons to fix this
 I m not going to install again
[05:28] <arraybolt3> OK.
[05:30] <arraybolt3> Google Drive is **still** processing that video :P
 😐 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Google Drive is **still** processing that video :P)
[06:40] <mathphil> Will "Ubuntu Release Upgrader" upgrade 22.04 LTS to a non-LTS release?
 Hm I'm not sure
 I solved by my self 😄😄😄 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Google Drive is **still** processing that video :P)
 I solved by my self 😄😄😄
 I removed all files from ~.config/plasma/*
 And rebooted , 🤷🏼♂🥳 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> Google Drive is **still** processing that video :P)
[09:17] <arraybolt3> @milesdredd: Congratulations!
 Any answer to this please?👆 (re @PJtunes: It's been a week I left my software update on "manually"
 And I haven't manually downloaded any of the recent updates, hope there'll be no repercussions to this???)
[10:19] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: Leaving a system out-of-date leaves bugs and open security vulnerabilities on your system, potentially risking you getting hacked.
[10:19] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: The longer you leave the updates unapplied, the greater the risk.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Ok
 For how long averagely can I leave it before downloading the updates? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: The longer you leave the updates unapplied, the greater the risk.)
[13:15] <OerHeks> PJtunes that is your responsibility
[13:16] <OerHeks> we promise to patch bugs and updates as soon as possible.
 Okay thank you
[13:42] <Guest2949> I'm using Kubuntu latest LTS version, why sometimes my screen goes to login screen suddenly?
[13:42] <Guest2949> Like I'm working on my machine without any problem, and suddenly I'm teleported to login screen and again I have to log in and after I get logged in, I've a new desktop, means all my processes got killed ;-;
[13:42] <Guest2949> Anyone here to help me?
[13:50] <alkisg> Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.log,  ~/.xsession-errors and dmesg for errors
[14:01] <Guest2949> I checked but, as I'm new to Linux family I was unable to understand
[14:03] <Guest2949> Now I don't have any problem, but fear has been generated in my mind that anytime it can happen
[14:03] <alkisg> You can upload them to some pastebin right after the problem happens, and ask here for someone to take a look
[14:03] <Guest2949> Also as far as I remember I had only 2-3 programs running (chrome, vscode, discord)
[14:03] <Guest2949> Can I upload now?
[14:06] <Guest2921> Hey alkisg
[14:06] <Guest2921> Please help
[14:07] <Guest2921> i u can
[14:07] <Guest2921> if*
[14:07] <mybalzitch> chrome and vscode? did you run out of memory?
[14:08] <alkisg> Guest2921: sure, start with /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old and dmesg
[14:08] <alkisg> dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:08] <alkisg> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:09] <alkisg> Then tell us the two URLs it produced
 My kde from kubuntu always show alert on change theme,
 qdbusconnection: error: could not send signal to service "" path "//home/
 How to solve it?
 For the love of all that's unholy, please change your nick (re @nadhif_beo: My kde from kubuntu always show alert on change theme,
 qdbusconnection: error: could not send signal to service "" path "//home/
 How to solve it?)
[16:39] <wiresnark> is there a PPA that can be added for Anbox kernel headers that isn't unsecure?
[16:45] <OerHeks> no this PPA is dead ppa:morphis/anbox-support
[16:45] <OerHeks> so you are bound to snap?
[16:51] <wiresnark> i have snap installed and can use it
[16:51] <wiresnark> if that's what you mean, @OerHeks
[16:52] <OerHeks> yes, so there is no alternative, i guess
[16:52] <OerHeks> besides buying an android device :-D
[16:54] <wiresnark> gross lol
[16:54] <wiresnark> (but fr, might go back to android)
[18:34] <user|13> hola
[18:35] <user|13> consulta tengo una notbook toshiba satelite l 505 s 6959 eh qquerido intalar una vercion de kubuntu y esta no me lo a permitido
[18:37] <user|13> luego intente con ubuntu y tampoco me dejo copie las iso en dvds nuevos y al cargarlos me dice error en carga de discos
[18:38] <user|13> ni computadora pocee un procesador intel centrino de dos nucleos y 4 gb de ram ddr 2
 Whenever I open my lid(monitor) it automatically switches on the PC and I don't like it that way, I've toggled through settings but can't find an option to undo that
[18:51] <mmikowski> Pjtunes: Perhaps check your bios. There isn't anything under System Settings > Power Management > Energy Savings, but that makes sense since the power-button event that is turning the device on is coming from the EFI or BIOS.
 Ok
 But where is the BIOS located
[19:30] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: Depends on your computer - you usually press a certain key during early startup to get into it.
[19:30] <arraybolt3> A lot of times "Esc" will do the trick, during very early boot.
[19:32] <OerHeks> can be F10 .. see your manual of the desktop/laptop
 Alright I'll check it out
[19:34] <arraybolt3> (Your system might also tell you the right key to press when the screen first comes on or shortly thereafter.)
[19:34] <mmikowski> Esc, f2, f10 - those are the common ones
 How do you run IRC chat in KUbuntu. Sorry I’m new to this   Ty!
[19:52] <OerHeks> list of supported irc clients on #libera https://libera.chat/guides/sasl
[19:52] <OerHeks> Konversation is a native KDE app
[19:55] <arraybolt3> Also Quassel.
[19:55] <arraybolt3> I've used Konversation and Quassel with good results.
[20:07] <wiresnark> user13, usted usa dvd o usb?
[20:07] <wiresnark> oh, he gone
[23:23] <Esteban_15-9-22> Hi
[23:27] <Esteban_15-9-22> I have a problem with kubuntu, seems like kactivitymanagerd process is writing a lot of data in my disk and filling it up until there is no space left. More than 40 gb being written  in a few minutes.
[23:28] <Esteban_15-9-22> the system don't work after that of course
[23:37]  * genii ponders https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453570
[23:41] <Esteban-15-9-22> It took me 40GB all the free space that I have
[23:43] <genii> Esteban-15-9-22: I would probably do the process this Manjaro user did at the end of this page https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kactivitymanagerd-filling-up-all-free-space/111826/9
[23:44] <genii> ( console login, stop sddm,  clean out it's files, etc)
[23:44] <Esteban-15-9-22> I deleted the file and restarted but the issue come again. I think something relating with Telegram-desktop is happening (can it be) because now I didnt open it and all is going well
[23:45] <Esteban-15-9-22> will check that out, thnks Genii
[23:46] <genii> Esteban-15-9-22: In the KDE bug report the user also had some System Settings in Activities about "Activities -> Privacy: Keep history: Forever" set, might want to check that out also
[23:47] <Esteban-15-9-22> I'll do that, sure!
[23:50] <Esteban-15-9-22> what type of data save this feature?
[23:58] <Esteban-15-9-22> seems like setting just one month of history solved the issue. Thanks!


[05:36] <richardlxc> wow
[08:29] <seb128> could somebody re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/fix-977961/+merge/101397 ? ;-)
[08:29] <seb128> lamalex, ^
[08:40] <krnekhelesh> seb128, wow this issue was brought forward yesterday and today it is fixed...ready to be merged..
[08:40] <krnekhelesh> 5.10 is going to the best release out there with so many bux fixes...i hope we hit 100!
[08:46] <seb128> krnekhelesh, hehe
[08:56] <bkerensa> Chromium on 12.04 has a defective icon in the launcher? does not switch to open windows or show open windows on right click
[09:22] <trijntje> Hi all, the unity-overlay (keep super pressed) says that alt+f10 should open the 'indicator menu', but it for me it opens the application menu. Is this a bug?
[09:28] <seb128> trijntje, that seems buggy indeed, can you open a bug about it?
[09:29] <krnekhelesh> trijntje, yup I can confirm it as well on my system...
[09:34] <trijntje> seb128, krnekhelesh: filed bug 978746, if you can confirm it that would be great
[09:39] <krnekhelesh> trijntje, it has already been confirmed by sebastien :)
[09:39] <krnekhelesh> thanks for reporting the bug
[09:40] <trijntje> you're welcome, I'm going through all shortcuts to translate them
[09:40] <krnekhelesh> ah awesome!
[10:12] <trijntje> why is the shortcut to minimize all windows so complicated (ctrl + alt + d), wouldn't it bet better to use super+m, as in windows?
[10:15] <krnekhelesh> trijntje, this is question which has a complicated and confusing answer...the keyboard shortcuts were changed back and forth so many times that I am just going to wait for precise final release to see what keyboard shortcuts are
[10:16] <mpt> andyrock, hi, sabdfl told me you're doing something with the notification area. Is that true?
[10:23] <trijntje> krnekhelesh: would it be worth a try to file a bug to have it changed? I've just to add super+m and leave ctrl + alt + d, since we are past every freeze already?
[10:26] <andyrock> mpt, no...
[10:26] <krnekhelesh> trijntje, I personally think it is way too late in this cycle to think about changing keyboard shortcuts since they involves breaking the UIFe....I hope someone can confirm my statement here..also you are free to report the bug, but it will most likely be only considered for 12.10..
[10:26] <mpt> andyrock, ok, maybe he was thinking of someone else :-)
[10:27] <andyrock> mpt, yeah :)
[10:27] <trijntje> krnekhelesh: yeah, thats why I thought maybe adding super+m 'behind the scenes', so no GUI has to change. Not sure if thats even possible though, I'll just file a bug and wait for 12.10 ;)
[10:31] <krnekhelesh> trijntje, what do you mean by "adding super+m" behind the scenes?
[10:32] <trijntje> krnekhelesh: just have two different shortcuts mapped to 'minimize all'
[10:32] <krnekhelesh> @all, it gives me great pleasure to say that most of the default applications in Ubuntu now incorporate support for keywords...meaning every user can find them so easily from the dash
[10:33] <mpt> krnekhelesh, what does "integrate support for" mean? Do you mean it's possible to add keywords to them, or that they actually have keywords already?
[10:33] <krnekhelesh> mpt, they already have keywords :) ..including the software center
[10:34] <mpt> krnekhelesh, how can a developer see which keywords a particular application has?
[10:34] <krnekhelesh> mpt, you can see in the .desktop file ... under the Keywords section
[10:35] <krnekhelesh> mpt, for instance thunderbird has Keywords=Email;E-mail,News;Feed;RSS; meaning you can use these terms to search for thunderbird
[10:37] <mpt> krnekhelesh, thanks. We had a nascent keywords system in Ubuntu Software Center itself, and I guess we should combine them.
[10:38] <krnekhelesh> mpt, where do I find the nascent keywords system? But sure it would be nice to combine...for the software center, I took the terms from the Ubuntu Software Center wiki...
[10:40]  * mpt growls at not being able to search a branch on code.launchpad.net
[10:40] <kiwinote> mpt: s-c indexes all the keywords which are ripped from the various desktop files via app-install-data, so it's all the same system
[10:41] <mpt> krnekhelesh, an "X-AppInstall-Keywords:" field in app-install-data
[11:08] <nava> Hi all
[11:30] <Abhijit> hi
[11:31] <Abhijit> i am getting error make[1]: *** [src/timer/CMakeFiles/compiz_timer.dir/all] Error 2 while trying to build compiz core ubuntu which is needed for unity
[11:31] <Abhijit> i am using arch
[11:32] <Abhijit> this is error http://paste.ubuntu.com/924720/
[11:34] <Abhijit> hep?
[11:34] <Abhijit> hep
[11:35] <nava> Abhijit go to #ubuntu , I hope they can help you
[11:36] <Abhijit> its unity issue and not the ubuntu issue nava
[11:36] <Abhijit> compiz core ubuntu is the name of the packae
[11:36] <Abhijit> and i am on archlinux.
[11:36] <nava> I know but you can talk there also
[11:36] <Abhijit> ok
[11:44] <davmor2> Hey guys how fixable is this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/974416 upon removal of an app the icon stays in the launcher since unity took over control of the app in the launcher
[11:47] <krnekhelesh> seb128, can you mark this the bug linked by davmor2 to medium or perhaps high? This is important as uninstalling an app should remove it from the launcher
[11:47] <krnekhelesh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/974416
[11:47] <krnekhelesh> this should definitely be addressed before final release
[11:48] <seb128> krnekhelesh, that's a duplicate of bug #966197
[11:48] <nava> Hi seb128 i have an idea for unity, and also have mockup for it may i show it to you ?
[11:49] <seb128> nava, I'm not working on unity design, try emailing https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/ ?
[11:50] <nava> not yet,but in past they never answer my mail
[11:50] <nava> should i register somewhere first ?
[11:51] <davmor2> nice mpt beat me to it marked as a dupe
[11:52] <davmor2> seb128: there is no importance set on mpt's bug either
[11:53] <krnekhelesh> nava, I am part of that list, probably you sent it the wrong address...but please go ahead and mail to the mailing list..
[11:53] <krnekhelesh> i like to look at it
[11:54] <nava> thanks , may i ping you first
[11:54] <krnekhelesh> sure
[11:54] <nava> How should it in Xchat ?
[12:13] <sid_> hey, is there a toolkit for the Dash just there is for Greeter, Multi-Monitor Spezifications and the Spread? or any other Dokumentation so I cann see where the Design Team is heading to?
[12:48] <mhall119> sid_: http://design.canonical.com/ check the links on the right
[13:00] <sid_> mhall119: thanks but there is no toolkit about the dash. but I talked to the design team and they said it just not published yet
[13:42] <krnekhelesh> I see this bug report as fix committed for 5.12...https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974523
[13:42] <krnekhelesh> however since it is already fix committed why can we release it with Unity 5.10?
[13:42] <mhall119> 5.10 is already released
[13:43] <seb128> mhall119, no it's not
[13:43] <mhall119> oh, well it's very nearly released then
[13:43] <krnekhelesh> mhall119, only the pretesting is
[13:44] <mhall119> ok, I was confused
[13:44] <krnekhelesh> well we have 87 fixes committed....12 more to go :)
[13:44] <krnekhelesh> 13 more to go
[14:32] <MCR1> hmm, the video lens does not search the Internet anymore. In Sources just MyVideos is listed. Can anyone confirm this or is there a fix/workaround ?
[14:34] <MCR1> when will Unity 5.10 be released ?
[14:43] <krnekhelesh> MCR1, I have the same issue with the video lens
[14:43] <krnekhelesh> I think it is a bug
[14:44] <MCR1> krnekhelesh: Will you file a report ?
[14:44] <krnekhelesh> yeah, I will do so and paste the link here..
[14:44] <MCR1> thx
[14:44] <mhall119> MCR1: did you try restarting the video lens daemon?
[14:44] <MCR1> nope
[14:45] <mhall119> try: pkill unity-lens-video
[14:46] <MCR1> mhall119: no effect - same problem
[14:46] <mhall119> ignore that, doesn't seem pkill works on it
[14:48] <MCR1> mhall119: restarted whole Unity with "unity --replace" - same problem
[14:48] <mhall119> Querying the server: http://video.u1.to/v0/search?q=edu
[14:48] <mhall119> Search changed to ''
[14:48] <mhall119> Error: Unable to get results from the server 503: Service Temporarily Unavailable
[14:48] <mhall119> I get that from the remote videos scope
[14:49] <krnekhelesh> MCR1, can you see this screenshot http://imgur.com/qkmAt and confirm?
[14:49] <krnekhelesh> In the screenshot, I also receive "sorry, there is nothing that matches your search" despite not searching anything
[14:51] <MCR1> this site is very slow, I always use imagebin.org
[14:52] <krnekhelesh> http://imagebin.org/207587
[14:52] <MCR1> krnekhelesh: I do not get that "sorry, there is nothing that matches your search" at all and when I click on "Filter results" it shows just MyVideos
[14:52] <davidcalle> mhall119, what version are you using for having the video.u1.to url? The dev PPA? I thought it was up to date... Anyway, even from videosearch.ubuntu.com, I can see the server down too :)
[14:52] <krnekhelesh> MCR1, ok I have your problem in addition to some other bug
[14:53] <mhall119> davidcalle: I have the unity-team ppa, but haven't done an upgrade in a couple days
[14:53] <mhall119> davidcalle: was it changed to use something different?
[14:53] <MCR1> davidcalle: I am using Unity from 12.04 repos.
[14:54] <krnekhelesh> davidcalle: I am using Unity from 12.04 repos.
[14:54] <MCR1> krnekhelesh: What happens when you click on "Filter results" ?
[14:55] <krnekhelesh> MCR1, I see only My Videos as the only source
[14:55] <krnekhelesh> same as you
[14:55] <davidcalle> MCR1, krnekhelesh : this is fixed (the results + "no results" text). Should land with the next Unity update.
[14:56] <krnekhelesh> davidcalle, ok...but should I create a bug report for the remote-scope not working?
[14:56] <MCR1> davidcalle: Thx. I guess this update is planned soon ?
[14:56] <davidcalle> Anyway, the online videos server is currently down, so no sources and no online results at the moment.
[14:56] <krnekhelesh> oh ok....just temporary issue then...alrite no bug report then...
[14:56] <mhall119> davidcalle: can you confirm that video.u1.to is still the correct server?
[14:56] <krnekhelesh> thnx
[14:57] <davidcalle> mhall119, it's not, the version in the repos is now using videosearch.ubuntu.com, since saturday I think.
[14:57] <mhall119> ok, that one seems down too
[14:58] <davidcalle> mhall119, indeed
[15:01] <nloewen> Is there any way to start compiz from a tty?
[15:01] <gord> davidcalle, the video lens just talks to a server? it doesn't scrape/get the results itself?
[15:01] <gord> nloewen, DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace
[15:02] <nloewen> will that DISPLAY=:0 thing work with any program?
[15:02] <davidcalle> gord, yeah, the server does the scraping/merging if several sources are involved/sorting.
[15:02] <gord> nloewen, pretty much
[15:03] <gord> davidcalle, aww, but i wanted to write a blip.tv scope for it
[15:03] <davidcalle> gord, you can!
[15:03] <mhr3> davidcalle, would be nice if the lens used more descriptive no-results-hint msg when there's a server issues
[15:04] <mhr3> s/lens/scope/
[15:04] <nloewen> well, that sort of worked. compiz didn't load any plugins.
[15:05] <davidcalle> mhr3, I was thinking about it this morning. By the way, what happens when several scopes return a different no-results-hint?
[15:05] <mhr3> davidcalle, the last one is used
[15:05] <davidcalle> mhr3, ok
[15:06] <mhr3> nloewen, compiz --replace ccp
[15:08] <nloewen> ah, I tried starting it using 'unity' instead. that worked
[15:11] <mhr3> right
[16:02] <mhall119> remote videos should be working again
[16:07] <jussi> mhall119: Im still experiencing bug 966478 - any ideas about additional info I can pass over or who to bug about it?
[17:07] <mhall119> jussi: no idea, do you know if it's working according ot the design specs?
[17:08] <jussi> mhall119: no idea - dont know about the design specs, but I dont think the people looking at the projector should have wny odea of the chromium window title that is on my laptop screen...
[17:08] <jussi> any idea*
[17:13] <mhall119> tedg: ^^ do you know if there's a bug or blueprint about window title in multi-head setups?
[18:00] <tedg> mhall119, No, don't know on that one.  Trevinho might.
[18:29] <krnekhelesh> can anyone tell me what the System Settings -> Appearance -> Behavior -> Reveal Sensitivity slider actually increase?
[18:30] <krnekhelesh> Does it affect the pressure needed to show the launcher?
[18:30] <davidcalle> krnekhelesh, yes, pressure and speed of mouse.
[18:31] <krnekhelesh> davidcalle, hmm..thnx...I asked because of this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/931982
[18:32] <krnekhelesh> the comments state that the speed of the mouse does not depend on that setting
[18:37] <davidcalle> krnekhelesh, hmmm right. There is a way of reducing it, in CCSM -> Unity -> Experimental -> Launcher Reveal Pressure can be reduced as a workaround. But it's still a bug or a design issue in the Appearance settings.
[18:49] <krnekhelesh> davidcalle, in that case I'll mark it confirmed and also include the ayatana team in the bug report
[19:50] <seb128> Cimi, krnekhelesh complains that bug #975869 is making unity not pixel perfect ;-)
[19:54] <krnekhelesh> seb128, more of informing about the imperfection than complaining :P
[19:54] <krnekhelesh> haha
[20:01] <Cimi> seb128, aware of that, community decided for those wallpapers
[20:01] <seb128> Cimi, well it seems unity doesn't pick the new color at the right time?
[20:02] <Cimi> seb128, I might reread later
[20:02] <Cimi> going out :)
[20:03] <Cimi> oh saw that
[20:03] <seb128> Cimi, have fun ;-)
[20:03] <Trevinho> jussi, mhall119 I think that the bug could be a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/968261 in that case I've already fixed it (and it's in trunk)
[20:03] <Cimi> seb128, ping desrt :-P
[20:03] <jussi> Trevinho: !!! my favourite person!
[20:04] <Cimi> seb128, well, he didn't add the PPA
[20:04] <Cimi> seb128, that might be already fixed
[20:04] <Cimi> seb128, I afk
[20:04] <jussi> Trevinho: yeah, sounds like that bug
[20:04] <Cimi> see u guys
[20:05] <krnekhelesh> seb128, I could ask the reporter to test out Unity 5.10 pre-release to see if this has been fixed already or not
[20:05] <jussi> Trevinho: Im pretty sure it was you who had a sopcast program in a PPA ages ago...
[20:05] <krnekhelesh> seb128, do you want me to do it?
[20:05] <seb128> krnekhelesh, if you want, sure, I think it's a small detail in any case, so not a blocker for precise in any way, can be sorted later
[20:05] <Trevinho> jussi: yes... Long, long time ago :)
[20:06] <jussi> Trevinho: yeah, at that time there wasnt much around, and it was a godsend :D
[20:06] <krnekhelesh> seb128, that's true...can fixes like these land as a SRU later?
[20:06] <Trevinho> jussi: eheh... thanks ;)
[20:06] <seb128> krnekhelesh, yes
[20:10] <bschaefer> Trevinho, hey! I updated that quick alt tab branch with a 200ms timer, instead of relying on the 75ms for when the switcher gets shown
[20:10] <Trevinho> bschaefer: hey... yes I noticed it thanks
[20:11] <bschaefer> yeah, I just have to get tim to review it haha
[20:11] <Trevinho> it seems better, but I don't think we can get that for 5.10 (ask thumper, in case)... But for a later SRU probabily
[20:12] <bschaefer> yeah, i figure that when i didn't get it merged on Friday, I just wanted to make sure you saw and thought it was a good enough fix!
[20:13] <krnekhelesh> bschaefer, Trevinho: are the bugs which are now fixed committed be released with Unity 5.10?? Because I see Unity has 90 bugs as fixed...will all those be part of Unity 5.10 release this week?
[20:15] <bschaefer> I would think so, the final freeze was last friday code wise so im not 100% sure
[20:15] <Trevinho> krnekhelesh: yes


[05:18] <mborzecki> morning
[05:53] <mborzecki> 60 PRs :/
[06:54] <zyga> good morning
[06:55] <zyga> mborzecki: thank you for the reviews
[06:56] <mborzecki> zyga: morning
[06:56] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[06:56] <mvo> hey mborzecki
[06:57] <mvo> mborzecki: good morning! what did I miss? anything interessting happend?
[06:57] <mborzecki> mvo: not really, just a lot of open PRs
[07:00] <mvo> mborzecki: ok, let me look at those
[07:02] <mborzecki> zyga: mvo: need to go out for a while, sent a message in the forum
[07:02] <zyga> ack
[07:09] <zyga> hey pstolowski
[07:12] <mvo> hey zyga and pstolowski
[07:14] <zyga> hey mvo!
[07:14] <zyga> mvo: I think today is a review day
[07:18] <zyga> AFK with dog
[07:18] <mvo> zyga: indeed, looking at the PRs I think you are right
[07:38] <pedronis> mvo: zyga: hi, I'll also focus on reviews, at least the first part of the day
[07:49] <pedronis> mvo: #6594 needs a quick look from you after the last round of changes and then can land (hopefully)
[07:49] <mup> PR #6594: [RFC] tests: run smoke tests on (almost) pristine systems <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6594>
[07:51] <pstolowski> mborzecki: hey, #6711 can land
[07:51] <mup> PR #6711: tests/main/selinux-lxd: make sure LXD from snaps works cleanly with enforcing SELinux <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6711>
[07:54] <mup> PR snapd#6711 closed: tests/main/selinux-lxd: make sure LXD from snaps works cleanly with enforcing SELinux <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6711>
[08:00] <mup> PR snapd#6696 closed: image: simplify prefer local logic  and fixes <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6696>
[09:04] <mborzecki> re
[09:06] <zyga> hey mborzecki
[09:06] <zyga> how are you feeling?
[09:12] <zyga> brb, breakfast
[09:23] <mborzecki> hm 2.38 is in fedora updates repo, i might need to update the rpm upgrade triggers in our packaging
[09:24] <mborzecki> heh, and looking at how the last the last 2 merges to master failed in spread i need to :P
[09:25] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did passes on various of your PRs, some can land after small tweaks and then once merged in the follow ups I can look at those
[09:26] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty, yes, i'm addressing your comments
[09:35] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6660, you approved it already but please see if the change makes sense
[09:35] <mup> PR #6660: cmd/debug: integrate new task timings with "snap debug timings" <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6660>
[09:36] <pedronis> pstolowski: ok, will look in a little bit
[09:37] <pstolowski> pedronis: basically, i think Save had a small bug
[09:47] <mborzecki> #6713 will unbreak master
[09:47] <mup> PR #6713: tests/upgrade/basic: restore SELinux context of /var/cache/fontconfig <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6713>
[09:49] <mborzecki> zyga: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6692 ? super simple and can land quickly
[09:49] <mup> PR #6692: interfaces: cleanup internal tool lookup in system-key <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6692>
[09:49] <zyga> absolutely
[09:54] <pedronis> pstolowski: looks ok, commented on something else though
[09:55] <pedronis> pstolowski: sorry, fixed my comment (mistyped a couple of things in it)
[09:55] <pstolowski> pedronis: ah, ok, will remove that part of the comment thx
[09:56] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6692/files#r275287380 ?
[09:56] <mup> PR #6692: interfaces: cleanup internal tool lookup in system-key <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6692>
[10:01] <mborzecki> zyga: there are some units tests for findSnapdPath, maybe i could drop those
[10:03] <zyga> +1
[10:04] <zyga> it just seems odd to reduce a function to a call to another while keeping it when both seem to relate to the same topic
[10:25] <sil2100> Hey guys! Currently, do we update all the boot-partition contents on gadget snap refreshes?
[10:26] <mvo> sil2100: we don't, this is part of the work that mborzecki  is doing for the bootloader asset refreshes
[10:27] <sil2100> Ok, since I remember this being a work-item but didn't know if it actually landed
[10:27] <sil2100> mvo: thanks!
[10:30] <mvo> sil2100: do you need it for sometihng specific? is there anything we need to update?
[10:30] <mvo> sil2100: I found the missing validations, sorry for that! will get this fixed
[10:31]  * pstolowski lunch
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#6713 closed: tests/upgrade/basic, packaging/fedoar: restore SELinux context of /var/cache/fontconfig, patch pre-2.39 mount units <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6713>
[10:40] <mborzecki> master should be fine now
[10:42] <sil2100> mvo: no no, just was wondering because of the new grub2 in the pc core18 gadget, Steve mentioned that existing users will be 'safe' because of snap refresh not updating the contents as of yet and I was wondering if that's really the case
[10:42] <sil2100> mvo: as I remembered discussions about making that happen
[10:43] <sil2100> mvo: thanks! Just give me a poke once the other buggers are verified
[10:48] <mvo> sil2100: thanks
[11:11]  * zyga coffee
[11:31] <pedronis> sil2100: notice  that even once implemented it will be opt in from the part of the gadget
[11:31] <sil2100> pedronis: ok, good to knog
[11:31] <sil2100> *know
[11:47]  * cachio afk
[11:52] <pedronis> pstolowski: hi, when you have a little bit of time, could you double check that we have a spread test for this:  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-disconnect-a-snap-from-internet/10901/11
[11:58] <pstolowski> pedronis: sure, will do
[11:59] <pedronis> thx
[12:06] <thresh> so I have a coredump, and my application doesnt run if it detects being running as root (so snap run --gdb is useless), what do?
[12:06] <thresh> gdb --core=core /snap/vlc/x1/usr/bin/vlc results in a useless trace (all ??)
[12:11] <zyga> thresh: it's not easy I'm afraid
[12:11] <zyga> thresh: what is the base your snap is using? core or core18?
[12:11] <thresh> zyga, it's core18
[12:13] <zyga> thresh: so you somehow have to set up gdb to look at debug symbols from ubuntu18.04 -- I don't believe this is documented or explained anywhere
[12:13] <thresh> could having ubuntu 18.04 as a host OS help?
[12:13] <zyga> yes but it's not required
[12:13] <zyga> you need the debug symbol packages
[12:14] <zyga> and you need to have a debug build of the app as well
[12:14] <zyga> I think it's a big endeavour to  explain and document properly though
[12:14] <thresh> might be easier to just spin up a VM that trying to do that on my debian
[12:14] <zyga> you don't need a vm
[12:14] <thresh> sure, I've got the idea - will try it, thx
[12:14] <zyga> just debootstrap ubuntu 18.04 or get a tarball from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <mup> PR snapd#6660 closed: cmd/debug: integrate new task timings with "snap debug timings" <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6660>
[12:15] <zyga> I have *not* done this myself so anything you come up with is worth sharing
[12:15] <zyga> good luck!
[12:18] <mborzecki> pedronis: moved selinux cleanup task to the 'done' lane
[12:20] <pedronis> mborzecki: great!
[12:47] <pstolowski> zyga: i'm going to review #6717 in a bit
[12:47] <mup> PR #6717: snap: fix interface bindings on implicit hooks <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6717>
[12:47] <pedronis> pstolowski: it needs another pass
[12:47] <zyga> pstolowski: I think it needs a fix again
[12:47] <pstolowski> thanks for tackling it
[12:47] <zyga> pstolowski: look at my comment
[12:47] <zyga> pstolowski: because I think pedronis was spot on, twice :)
[12:47] <zyga> pstolowski: and the simplistic fix was insufficient
[12:48] <pedronis> to be fair I wasn't spot on, when we tried to fix this first
[12:48] <zyga> pstolowski: I will add some tests to it today, to show how it fails, then try to fix it, just working on another existing PR
[12:48] <zyga> pedronis: as an extra idea, I was thinking about changing how we load yaml
[12:48] <pstolowski> zyga: ah, i see the new comments, ack
[12:48] <zyga> pedronis: to allow it to know about the implicit hooks before we read the yaml
[12:49] <zyga> pedronis: so that we can create them and avoid the late binding complexity
[12:49] <pedronis> zyga: maybe, that seems a bigger changes though
[12:49] <zyga> pedronis: yes
[13:01] <mborzecki> anyone up for a 2nd review of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6688 ?
[13:01] <mup> PR #6688: gadget: add validation of cross structure overlap and offset writes <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6688>
[13:06] <mup> PR snapd#6625 closed: tests: system disable ssh for config defaults in gadget <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6625>
[13:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#2533 closed: tests: classic confinement spread tests for ant and maven  <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2533>
[13:24] <zyga> mborzecki: any ideas, is ausearch failing? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ohLqFsHP/
[13:25] <mborzecki> zyga: can you post the debug part of the log?
[13:26] <zyga> ah, indeed
[13:26] <zyga> selinux denials https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/s5RJWK6u/
[13:29] <cmatsuoka> kenvandine: hello ken
[13:30] <cmatsuoka> kenvandine: did you build any kde snap using the frameworks build-snap?
[13:31] <cmatsuoka> kenvandine: existing material in the internet suggests it should be straightforward, but my tests were not so smooth
[13:31] <kenvandine> hey cmatsuoka
[13:31] <kenvandine> cmatsuoka: i haven't
[13:32] <mborzecki> zyga: which PR is that?
[13:33] <zyga> I think it was
[13:33] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6714
[13:33] <cmatsuoka> kenvandine: I'll check it directly with sitter or the folks in #kde-devel
[13:33] <mup> PR #6714: cmd/snap-confine: reject crafted /tmp/snap.$SNAP_NAME <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6714>
[13:33] <zyga> mborzecki: no, wait
[13:33] <zyga> wrong branch
[13:33] <mborzecki> zyga: can you check which tests ran before? it looks like /home/test/snap has incorrect type, so it either was created by the upgrade test and not cleaned up, or restorecon did not restore the permission, snapd has all the permissions to poke snappy_home_t but not user_home_t
[13:34] <zyga> https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/520237869/log.txt from https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6673
[13:34] <zyga> checking
[13:34] <mup> PR #6673: cmd,tests: forcibly discard mount namespace when bases change <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6673>
[13:35] <zyga> google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-broadcom-asic-control google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-connect google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-device-buttons google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/debug-sandbox google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/confinement-classic google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/try-with-hooks google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-calendar-service google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/refresh:strict_remote
[13:35] <zyga> google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/install-errors:noreexec google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snapctl-services google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/nfs-support google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-debug-get-base-declaration google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-service-stop-mode google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/core-snap-not-test-test google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/install-closed-channel google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-disconnect
[13:35] <zyga> google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/document-portal-activation google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/core18-with-hooks google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-run-symlink-error google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/chattr google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/proxy google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/auto-refresh-private google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-netlink-audit google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/auto-aliases
[13:35] <zyga> google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/command-chain:reexec1 google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/classic-ubuntu-core-transition-two-cores google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-content-mkdir-writable:common google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/op-remove google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-service-after-before google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/refresh-delta-from-core google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-gpg-public-keys
[13:35] <zyga> google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-hardware-random-observe google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-network-control-ip-netns google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/auto-refresh:parallel google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/disable-autoconnect google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-ssh-keys google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/snap-userd-desktop-app-autostart google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/install-refresh-private
[13:35] <zyga> google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-network-setup-control google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/install-store-laaaarge google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/econnreset google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/refresh-all google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/interfaces-home google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/umask google:fedora-29-64:tests/main/selinux-lxd + echo '# free space'
[13:35] <zyga> this ran before
[13:35] <zyga> mborzecki: ^
[13:40] <abeato> zyga, hey, is there any PR/plans for https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1821023 ?
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1821023: core18 base on core 16 missing firmware <snapd:Triaged by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821023>
[13:48]  * zyga lunch
[14:05] <mup> PR snapd#6700 closed: packaging: disable -buildmode=pie on all arches <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6700>
[14:06] <mvo> 6418 needs a second review
[14:10] <mup> PR snapd#6594 closed: [RFC] tests: run smoke tests on (almost) pristine systems <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6594>
[14:10] <mvo> 6599 also needs a second review, should be easy and small
[14:24] <zyga> abeato: no PRs yet, just in the TODO list
[14:25] <abeato> zyga, ok, but still up for 2.39?
[14:26] <zyga> yes
[14:30] <abeato> great
[14:36] <mvo> pedronis: I updated 6603, should be good now
[14:37] <mvo> 6603 also needs a second review
[14:49] <pedronis> Chipaca: I suppose you were aware that we potentially import state stuff via auth into snap,  seems the go linker is clever that doesn't happen in practice though
[14:55] <pstolowski> mvo: +1 to 6599 with a comment
[14:55] <Chipaca> pedronis: you mean snap → o.auth -> o.state? yeah
[14:55] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes
[14:56] <Chipaca> also hexchat is silly and doesn't always do the → -> → thing
[14:56] <Chipaca> lol
[14:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: I can probably untangle that now, though as I said the linker seems to do the right thing
[14:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: do you think untangling that would help overall?
[14:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: not the first thing i worry about wrt untangling tbh
[14:57] <pedronis> Chipaca: ok, I'm mentioning it because I'm shuffling things around in that area
[14:57] <pedronis> anyway
[14:57] <Chipaca> ah, if you are then maybe yes
[14:57] <pedronis> but fully untangling that is a bit of extra work
[14:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: can you nudge it towards it being easier to do, without it being too much extra work?
[14:59] <mup> PR snapd#6718 opened: spread, tests: do not leave mislabeled files in restorecon test, attempt to catch similar files <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6718>
[14:59] <mborzecki> zyga: ^^
[14:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes, basically I'm moving AuthContext to a storecontext packages, to fully untangle  some bits of auth would need to move to devicestate
[14:59] <mborzecki> zyga: hope the safety checks do not catch any thing else
[15:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: it might be saner anyway
[15:00] <pedronis> to do the last bit
[15:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: move what to devicestate?
[15:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: Device SetDevice User etc
[15:01] <pedronis> all the functions taking state.State
[15:01] <Chipaca> hah, and DeviceState
[15:01] <pedronis> no
[15:01] <pedronis> that needs to stay in auth
[15:01] <pedronis> basically almost only the structs
[15:01] <pedronis> would stay in auth
[15:02] <pedronis> and be shared with store etc
[15:02] <pstolowski> Chipaca: are you refactoring any store bits (auth?); asking in the context of autorefresh fix that i'm about to start doing
[15:02] <Chipaca> pstolowski: pedronis is :-)
[15:02] <Chipaca> maybe
[15:02] <pedronis> Chipaca: I am
[15:02] <pedronis> sorry
[15:03] <pedronis> pstolowski: I am, but store is actually the package I'm going to touch the least
[15:03] <Chipaca> pstolowski: I'm not, I'm breaking things in ifacestate and snapstate
[15:03] <pedronis> pstolowski: so don't worry
[15:03] <Chipaca> pstolowski: what I heard pedronis say was "race is on"
[15:03] <pstolowski> Chipaca: :)
[15:04] <pedronis> if I'm touch store a lot I'm doing it wrong
[15:09] <pstolowski> pedronis: we still need to find a good name for snapshots.expiration config option (re https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6669); also your high-level feedback on the "0" semantics would be appreciated (see my self-review comment in the PR)
[15:09] <mup> PR #6669: overlord/corecfg: make expiration of automatic snapshots configurable (4/4) <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6669>
[15:23] <mborzecki> Chipaca: almost forgot, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6688 volume/structure overlap validation
[15:23] <mup> PR #6688: gadget: add validation of cross structure overlap and offset writes <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6688>
[15:26] <pedronis> pstolowski: I know, we cand land 6662 to start?
[15:28] <pstolowski> pedronis: oh yes, doing!
[15:28] <mup> PR snapd#6662 closed: overlord/snapstate,snapshotstate: create snapshot on snap removal (3/4) <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6662>
[15:34] <mup> PR snapd#6693 closed: cmd: tweak internal tool lookup to accept more possible locations <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6693>
[15:34]  * cachio lunch
[15:41]  * zyga resumes work on base snap refreshes
[16:10] <mup> PR # closed: core-build#11, core-build#22, core-build#26, core-build#37
[16:11] <mup> PR # opened: core-build#11, core-build#22, core-build#26, core-build#37
[16:32] <zyga> break
[16:40] <zyga> abck
[16:41] <mup> PR snapd#6719 opened: many: move auth.AuthContext to store.DeviceAndAuthContext, the implemention to a separate storecontext package <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6719>
[16:42] <pedronis> Chipaca:  ^  it's big but mostly boring
[16:43] <pedronis> (doesn't do the last bit discussed because it's already big like this, would be a follow up)
[16:46] <mup> Bug #1824851 opened: snap-update-ns failure on `snap run lxd.activate` <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1824851>
[16:47] <zyga> hmm
[16:51] <roadmr> hey folks, does ubuntu-image support any kind of caching or proxy? I'm iterating on a build and it's super painful to download pi-kernel every single time :/
[16:51] <roadmr> I have a squid I can point it to, if supported
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1824851 changed: snap-update-ns failure on `snap run lxd.activate` <snapd:New for zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1824851>
[17:03] <zyga> roadmr: I don't know but I feel the pain as well
[17:03] <roadmr> zyga: looks like it'll take local snaps preferently, so a poor man's cache seems to be just downloading the required .snaps and putting them in PWD
[17:03] <roadmr> testing!
[17:04]  * zyga breaks for an hour
[17:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#2534 opened: Add SNAPCRAFT_PROJECT_DIR environment variable <Created by tonysimpson> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2534>
[17:22] <pedronis> mvo: cachio: related to good commit messages, we probably shouldn't merge PR levaving [RFC] in their commit
[17:23] <cachio> sure, pedronis: which is the PR?
[17:25] <pedronis> cachio: 6594  that mvo merged
[17:27] <cachio> pedronis: ahhh, ok, your are right
[17:27] <cachio> pedronis: you suggest to revert/edit/merge ?
[17:28] <cachio> or it is just for next time?
[17:30] <pedronis> for next time
[17:33] <zyga> I could use a coffee
[17:38] <roadmr> zyga: so - download the snaps that are in your image, name them snap_revision_arch.snap (usual), then point ubuntu-image to them via --extra-snaps=/path/to/foo.snap (use one --extra-snaps per snap). That does a sort of poor man's cache :)
[17:38] <roadmr> https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/07/11/ubuntu-core-making-a-factory-image-with-private-snaps has more deets
[17:38] <zyga> roadmr: does the image get used correctly
[17:38] <zyga> roadmr: as in, with assertions and such
[18:53] <roadmr> zyga: hm I didn't test the built image :/
[19:56] <brlin> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/anyone-care-to-review-this-article-on-snapd-admin/10937
[20:00] <mup> PR snapd#6720 opened: many: move Device/SetDevice to devicestate, start of making them pluggable in storecontext <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6720>


[09:00] <mrevell> Morning
[09:02] <rvba> Morning adeuring.
[09:02] <rvba> Hi Monsieur mrevell.
[09:03] <adeuring> hi rvba
[09:31] <artnay> could someone help me with OOPS-dbc16cbf53e41be4e2ce08ed4efecbb6
[09:38] <wgrant> artnay: It appears that one of the Ubuntu translations admins has disabled that template.
[09:39] <wgrant> artnay: So it's no longer accessible except to the admins.
[09:39] <artnay> wgrant: yes, figured that out with dpm. thanks anyway. the package has been moved into its own project (separate from ubuntu)
[09:41] <dpm> artnay, it hasn't been moved, the project was always there, it's just that upstream translations have been enabled and downstream translations (the Ubuntu package) disabled. We should enable the downstream translations again and use message sharing. Let me sort this out later on
[09:42] <wgrant> Sharing does seem to be already enabled.
[12:25] <caribou> Hello, I Have  a question regarding PPA upload & build
[12:26] <caribou> I need to make a backport of ghostscript from Oneiric to Lucid available & would like to use PPA for that
[12:26] <caribou> unfortunately, the Oneric version depends on a library that is not on lucid so the build fails
[12:27] <caribou> I tried to create a second PPA with the library and make the first PPA depend on the second,but I cannot choose the second PPA when trying to build the dependancy
[12:27] <wgrant> caribou: Why create a second PPA, rather than uploading the library to the first one?
[12:28] <caribou> wgrant: because this is something I read in help.launchpad.net :)
[12:28] <wgrant> caribou: Do you have a link?
[12:28] <caribou> wgrant: hold on, let me fetch it for  you...
[12:28] <wgrant> You *can* create dependencies between PPAs, but PPAs implicitly depend on themselves so it's usually not necessary.
[12:30] <caribou> wgrant: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage under "Depending on other PPAs"
[12:30] <wgrant> That saDependencies
[12:30] <wgrant> Launchpad satisfies your package's Build-Depends using:
[12:30] <wgrant> the most recent versions of the packages in the PPA you're uploading to
[12:31] <caribou> wgrant: I tried that too,but I just realized that I did not change the series keyword in the library.
[12:31] <caribou> wgrant: so I'll try it again with the proper setup & let you know if I get it working
[12:31] <wgrant> caribou: Is either PPA private? That can influence the permitted interdependencies.
[12:31] <wgrant> But the self-dependency is always present.
[12:31] <caribou> no they were both publid
[12:32] <caribou> oups public
[12:32]  * caribou thinks that the library's series keyword might be the reason
[13:25] <jussi> jml: ping - please PM me when youve a min.
[13:36] <jrib> hi, I created a new branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~jrib/+junk/pianobar-tls How do I change its type to mirrored?  I'd like to mirror some code on github
[13:37] <caribou> wgrant: I can't test any further as I'm tripping on other Natty's dependencies
[13:38] <caribou> wgrant: is there a way to satisfy newer dependencies when backporting code to older revisions ?
[13:38] <geser> backport the dependencies too
[13:39] <geser> (or lower the versioned build-depencies if possible)
[13:41] <jrib> are the steps at https://help.launchpad.net/Code/MirroredBranches, for mirroring branches, no longer accurate?
[13:42] <caribou> geser: too many of them
[13:49] <jrib> does launchpad still support mirroring code hosted outside of launchpad?
[13:50] <rvba> jrib: launchpad supports mirroring.
[13:51] <rvba> jrib: do you have a problem with a branch/project?
[13:52] <jrib> rvba: I created a new branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~jrib/+junk/pianobar-tls How do I change its type to mirrored?  I'd like to mirror some code on github but I see no where to change the "type" of my branch
[13:53] <rvba> jrib: Let me have a look.
[13:53] <jrib> rvba: thanks
[14:03] <jrib> rvba: I've clicked every pixel on my screen now :)
[14:04] <rvba> jrib: yeah, I can't find how it's done.  I'll ask around, hang on.
[14:20] <rvba> jrib: okay, so you're right, the documentation is outdated. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this but clearly, your best bet is to create a project on lp (you probably want to name it the same way it's named on github).  Then you'll have an "import a branch" button on the project home page.
[14:20] <jrib> rvba: ah ok, thank you
[14:20] <rvba> jrib: then you can branch from there and have a copy in /~me/+junk if you want to.
[14:21] <rvba> jrib: welcome.
[14:31] <Quintasan> jelmer: Can LP import git branches with git submodules?
[14:33] <jelmer> Quintasan: not yet - see bug 402814
[14:34] <jelmer> Quintasan: that bug actually just requires bzr changes
[14:35] <Quintasan> jelmer: I see, any ETA on that? telepathy-kde dailies kinda died due to lack of this
[14:35] <jelmer> Quintasan: it's on our mid-term todo list
[14:41] <nigelb> Can someone mark this as hidden please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/417978/comments/7
[14:41] <nigelb> (Spam in comment)
[14:43] <Quintasan> jelmer: I see, thanks.
[14:47] <jelmer> nigelb: done
[14:47] <nigelb> jelmer: Thanks!
[15:52] <czajkowski> sinzui: mrevell so I'm trying to following the thread but only seeing sinzui comments, I did suscribe to the lp dev ml
[15:52] <czajkowski> sinzui: are you cc'ing me or is mail really dealyed?
[15:55] <sinzui> czajkowski, I am only sending to the list, though my nemesis thunderbird does not think I like to send to lists
[15:55] <czajkowski> ok, but am missing who ever is replying to you and only seeing your comments
[15:55] <czajkowski> wondering if there is an issue me joining that dev ml
[16:14] <sinzui> czajkowski, :( poolie and mrevell both sent replies to my first message. I replied to the parts where they had questions or concern. The parts I omitted were agreement with what I typed.
[16:15] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[16:15] <czajkowski> maybe the mails were sent before I joined yesterday so
[16:15] <mrevell> czajkowski, Let me dig out an archive URL for you
[16:15] <czajkowski> I'll reply tonight linking to the bug
[16:16] <mrevell> czajkowski, https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg08288.html
[16:17] <czajkowski> mrevell: you rock thanks
[16:17] <mrevell> np :)
[16:17] <czajkowski> need to write one more story before I head
[16:17] <czajkowski> so will read tonight
[16:17] <czajkowski> thanks
[19:22] <icedwater> Hello! Looking for advice on starting a translation team for Singapore English.
[23:22] <J___> automatic imports from Mercurial to a Bazaar branch seem to be failing
[23:22] <J___> with a RevisionNotPresent error
[23:22] <J___> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/84865025/j49137-zb-fetcher-main.log
[23:22] <J___> it happens when I make a change to makefile
[23:22] <J___> then it's fine if I delete the branch and re-import from scrath
[23:22] <J___> *scratch
[23:35] <jelmer> J___: that's a bug in the importer I fear
[23:35] <jelmer> J___: The hg imports are still beta, and we have a change in progress to actually mark them as such.
[23:38] <J___> what would be the best option, then, to get it to migrate to Bazaar once then just use Bazaar for future commits?
[23:38] <J___> no way to keep using Mercurial without waiting for the importer to become stable?
[23:43] <J___> and would it help to report this bug?
[23:58] <J___> mm, okay, I'll work something out
[23:58] <J___> thanks


[01:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UWN: Saturday wrap-up completed / see that you agree >> replys and comments too. Is this final pending the stats and reports ?
[01:09] <guiverc> ack . will look
[01:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D
[01:11] <guiverc> s/qnd/and  :(   thus far
[01:16] <guiverc> just noting here i guess (not in edit), but "and more details conclusion (summary)" reads awkwardly
[01:19] <guiverc> which is expected to be released in fully February 2024   (released in full OR released fully... I guess [writer] couldn't decide which?
[01:23] <guiverc> correct "of the this new Ubuntu "
[01:24] <guiverc> Bashing-om, is there any chance users won't know what is meant by FUD?
[01:25]  * guiverc now doesn't think it matters; OP didn't define FUD anyway (no result searching for 'fear')
[01:26] <guiverc> s/Ljubuncic a the/Ljubuncic at the/
[01:28] <guiverc> need/want   (how i write, but awkward; drop one??)
[01:30]  * guiverc notes Ubuntu Security Podcast: Episode 21x  will need dropping if no 'content drops'  :)
[01:34]  * guiverc smiles; Bashing-om detected & commented on second one.. ; you have no idea??  neither do I !!
[01:36]  * guiverc likes the US appears addition.. thanks Bashing-om
[01:41]  * guiverc has removed a couple of words on linuxiac summary; (worried it read like it was recommended.. not sure I'd go that far..)
[01:41] <guiverc> edits made, thanks Bashing-om
[01:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I catch up again when ya get your edits done :)
[01:42]  * guiverc is out ; most comments were removed
[01:42] <guiverc> & i didn't reply to any
[01:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - I do 'nother lookover now :P
[02:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Looover done - no other changes :D
[02:01] <guiverc> :)
[02:01] <guiverc> & thanks Bashing-om
[02:02] <Bashing-om> :D
[03:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Matthias Klumpp: AppStream 1.0 released! @ https://blog.tenstral.net/2023/11/appstream-1-0-released.html
[17:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: TUXEDO Pulse 14 Linux Laptop Refreshed with AMD Ryzen 7 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/tuxedo-pulse-14-amd-linux-laptop
[19:06] <tsimonq2> https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2023/11/msg00000.html
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Wider open source news ^^^^^^^^
[21:45] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Will arraybolt3 make UWN this week? ;)
[21:45] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Ah, nvm, I see him :D
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Except, I'll fix that link.
[21:47] <guiverc> tsimonq2, it'll draw attention to the step down; is that a good thing for aaron?
[21:48] <tsimonq2> guiverc: I'd say it's a minor point in the wider scope of things; it's public knowledge that he went away for a cycle (see Lubuntu's 23.10 notes), but as to *why*, I think I did a pretty good job of glossing over it
[21:49] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Either way, I *hope* people take something different out of that email besides a focus on that :)
[21:49] <tsimonq2> guiverc: I don't run UWN anymore - so entirely at the existing team's discretion for the final draft, but I did make an edit
[21:49] <guiverc> ack   (i like the hello devel-permissions/DVM board ML one...)
[21:50] <tsimonq2> Thanks :)
[21:50] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2023-November/002373.html
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Yep, that's the link I put in there :) Discourse right? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-813/40031
[21:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: OBS Studio 30 Released with Support for Intel QSV, HEVC, and AV1 on Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/obs-studio-intel-qsv-hevc-av1-linux
[21:53] <guiverc> ack & thanks tsimonq2 , I'd not been to discourse & seen notifications there yet...
[21:53] <tsimonq2> No worries!
[21:54] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue813 up for review and final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-813/40031 - tsimonq2 choice :D
[21:56] <tsimonq2> Some general advice I've heard in the past is, don't have a big blob of quoted text if you can avoid it :) try paraphrasing, quoting if they explain something you can't. Besides that general constructive criticism, it has my green stamp, if you're asking me :D
[21:58] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Glad that you are peering over our shoulders :P
[21:59] <tsimonq2> :D
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Good to chat with you again Bashing-om :) I hope all has been well on your end
[22:00] <tsimonq2> (I see guiverc much more frequently around Lubuntu :D)
[22:02] <guiverc> ack anyway Bashing-om , could be hour+ before I get to look
[22:11] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Busy man that you are :D Things go well enough that I maintain my presence - Moar time and money !:D
[22:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Plenty of time yet for the checking.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: I keep myself busy ;) glad to hear things are going well enough :) and yes you're right, never enough hours in the day!