 User SUPREMEBEING @ #ubuntu+1 - if this guy isn't a troll, I'll eat my trousers/
[00:20] <pangolin> BarkingFish, keeping my eyes open, thanks for looking out :)
[00:21] <BarkingFish> no problem pangolin :)  I've got a few things going here, watching some trolls elsewhere who are gonna get it in the neck in a minute :)
 sorry i have turrets too
[02:50] <elky> lol ur lies.
[02:51] <elky> at least pick something that actually works like whatever you're doing.
[02:53] <pangolin> what do we think about editing the !help factoid and adding...
[02:53] <pangolin> -!no help is <reply> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience |  you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[02:54] <pangolin> makes it really long I know.
[05:36] <Jordan_U> Should I be setting ban durations with uBOTu-fr? Until someone tells me otherwise, I'm going to comment on bans with uBOTu-fr and eir, and set ban durations with only eir.
[05:36] <dax> as far as I know, eir's the only one of the bot trifecta that does ban removal
[05:38] <Jordan_U> I know that there are plans to eventually use uBOTu-fr, or code derived therefrom, for ban removal as well. I just don't know how far along those are, or if anybody wants that tested in #ubuntu at the moment.
[05:38] <dax> ubotu-fr doesn't appear to have +o on the chanserv ACL, so I'd guess it's not being tested right now
[05:39] <Jordan_U> Good point :)
[05:39] <dax> although perhaps it does ban expiration nagging. iono.
[05:40] <Jordan_U> If it does do ban expiration nagging I don't want to be nagged, so the end result is the same :)
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Daskreech: Hi. How can we help you?
[08:24] <Daskreech> Dont' know
[08:24] <Daskreech> how come I'm in this chan?
[08:24] <Daskreech> thought i left days ago
[08:42] <Pricey> !player
[08:42] <Pricey> !info deadbeef
[08:43]  * Pricey messages
[08:46] <Pricey> Apparently he was just demonstrating edit suggestions to tanath.
[08:48] <Pricey> Also, deadbeef is in a PPA only so hesitant to edit that.
[11:36] <GirlyGirl> Could you guys have a word with jewjitsu in #ubuntu+1. His language is getting out of hand http://paste.kde.org/454772/
[11:46] <Myrtti> GirlyGirl: he left ages ago
[11:46] <Myrtti> well, few minutes ago
[14:25] <bazhang> lordie
[14:26] <bazhang> another two weeks of this:  The VERSION does not matter: it's UBUNTU problem
[14:30] <Paddy_NI> Hey Myrtti , would you be available to talk briefly at all?
[14:31] <Myrtti> er, sure...?
[14:31] <Myrtti> mind you I'm trying to fix an irc client at the same time so it's not totally optimal but we can make do
[14:32] <Paddy_NI> Oh Okay
[14:33] <Paddy_NI> Well I am actually here to try to apologise for my past sins from about 2 or so years ago that resulted in me being banned from ubuntu offtopic
[14:35] <Myrtti> alright
[14:37] <Paddy_NI> Well I don't really know where to begin.. Lots of things in my life has changed over time like getting married/buying a house and inheriting a daughter :-)
[14:37] <Paddy_NI> Much has changed with regards my mental health
[14:38] <Paddy_NI> I miss the ubuntu community from offtopic and feel like I took the entire thing for granted
[14:38] <Paddy_NI> Had it not been for the offtopic I would be still very dense regarding many things
[14:39] <Paddy_NI> I am actually a little sick at the moment with migraine but I just did not want to leave this any longer
[14:40] <Paddy_NI> I believe I am truly ready to be a more productive and generally friendly member of the community now.. I cringe upon reading the logs that are immortalised forever of myself
[14:41] <Paddy_NI> Mostly anti religious rants and anti american anger that was so misdirected and is certainly not how I feel at all
[14:42] <Paddy_NI> hell I am married to a Born again Christian
[14:42] <Myrtti> mmm
[14:42] <Paddy_NI> I however am still a deeply religious non believer :-)
[14:43] <LjL> Paddy_NI, are you sure you're actually still banned anyway? 'cause i don't see the ban
[14:43] <Paddy_NI> I know but I believe I would have been klined on sight
[14:44] <LjL> Paddy_NI: i think at this point, after so much time and with the ban no longer being there, you can safely join and behave and not get banned again
[14:44] <Paddy_NI> not that I did not deserve to be
[14:44] <Paddy_NI> I think its over 2 and a half years
[14:44] <Paddy_NI> :-O
[14:45] <mneptok> Paddy_NI: your religious beliefs had better be extremly deep, as if the reservoir spills over none of us will be happy.
[14:47] <Paddy_NI> mneptok, sorry but I don't fully understand what you are saying.. but I think it's basically.. behave?
[14:47] <Paddy_NI> which I will do with all my heart
[14:47] <mneptok> Paddy_NI: "don't get sucked into discussions of faith and belief, as they rarely end well."
[14:47] <Paddy_NI> Yes I know this sooo well
[14:48] <Paddy_NI> married to a born again christian remember :-)
[14:48] <Paddy_NI> mneptok, And yes I have prepared myself for what may come.. I am not looking to fight with anyone
[14:49] <mneptok> Paddy_NI: so /join
[14:49] <Paddy_NI> I just miss everyone
[14:49] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[14:50] <Paddy_NI> well okay this is great.. I think I shall be back in about 10 minutes or so as I need to sort the fam out a sec :-)
[14:50] <Paddy_NI> *family
[14:50] <Paddy_NI> but thank you soo much
[14:51] <Paddy_NI> I owe soo many people apologies.. I should handle this separately outside of the main channels
[14:51] <Paddy_NI> okay later :-)
[14:51] <mneptok> ciao!
[14:52]  * mneptok fires the herring cannon
[14:52] <bazhang> ip.<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:53] <mneptok> bazhang: newer model herring cannon. only accepts IPv6 for targeting coordinates.
[14:53] <bazhang> <IP_ADDRESS>  --- distractions now (above is the +b)
[14:54] <bazhang> demonboy refuses to ask in the correct channel
[14:54] <bazhang> even PMd just now and he says: but nobody answers!!!1
[14:57] <mneptok> speedtest.net. the most accurate network performance analytics suite.
[14:57] <bazhang> hehe
[15:04] <StaffRingedSeal> arp arp
[15:34] <GirlyGirl> Bonjour, je n'arrive pas á rejoindre #ubuntu-fr-offtopic et je suis identifiée sur freenode. Ça me redirige sur #ubuntu-fr-lire-le-topic.
[15:35] <Tm_T> same in english?
[15:35] <Pici> GirlyGirl: I think you want #ubuntu-fr-ops
[15:35] <GirlyGirl> Pici: ah yes sorry ... I thought I was there
 phong_: a/s/l?
[15:37] <bazhang> augh
[15:41] <bazhang> zul, hi
[15:41] <bazhang> lynxman, hello
[15:41] <zul> dont mind me im just lurking
[15:41] <lynxman> Hello everyone, I would like to know what would be the procedure to present a complaint due to misbehaviour by a current ubuntu irc operator?
[15:41] <ikonia> lynxman: I suggest you contact the ubuntu IRC council
[15:41] <bazhang> zul, please dont idle here
[15:43] <lynxman> ikonia: thanks for the information
[15:44] <Tm_T> zul: hello?
[17:31] <GirlyGirl> The topic in #ubuntu says "Currently supporting 10.04 LTS, 10.10, 11.04 and 11.10" but didn't 10.10 just go EOL?
[17:34] <Tm_T> not yet
[17:34] <Pici> GirlyGirl: Indeed
[17:34] <Tm_T> it did already?
[17:34] <Pici> I got an email 2 hours ago, haven't gotten a chance to go through factoids yet though.
[17:34] <Pici> (or the channel topic)
[17:35] <Pici> GirlyGirl: Thanks for your attentiveness, we'll take care of it today :)
[17:35] <GirlyGirl> ok
[17:35] <Pici> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000158.html
[17:35] <Tm_T> oh right, it was this perfect ten release
[17:37] <Myrtti> amazing how time flies
[17:37] <Tm_T> indeed
[17:38] <Pici> !no maverick is <reply> Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) was the thirteenth release of Ubuntu. !End-Of-Life on April 10th, 2012, see http://ubottu.com/y/maverick for details.
[17:53] <Pici> augh "u're"
[17:53] <LjL> Pici: u r intolerant
[17:53] <LjL> Pici: it's a duty to be tolerant
[17:53] <LjL> sorry, "almost" a duty
[17:54] <Pici> LjL: do I get anything for being tolerant?
[17:54] <LjL> Pici: you can put it in your CV
[18:35] <Myrtti> how did the @mark work again?
[18:35] <Pici> @help mark
[18:36] <Myrtti> I tried that in pm :-(
[18:36] <Myrtti> stupid bot
[18:37] <Myrtti> @mark #lubuntu frankken see Mr__ of ubottu id: 48139 Saga continues, same attitude
[18:38] <Myrtti> right so it doesn't mark then
[18:38] <Myrtti> fine.
[18:39] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I'd just ban based on recent attitude /:
[18:39] <Pici> is ubottu in #lubuntu?
[18:39] <Myrtti> was on the 8th
[18:39] <Myrtti> should be still
[18:39] <Pici> hrm
[18:39] <Myrtti> yes, it is

[20:41] <scientes> opinion?
[20:42] <beuno> "what could possibly go wrong"?  :)
[20:42] <Myrtti> I don't like the POS acronym.
[20:42] <Myrtti> please don't use it in the future :-)
[20:42] <scientes> no, somebody has that nick
[20:42] <scientes> in #ubuntu
[20:43] <Myrtti> yes, I know
[20:43] <Myrtti> and you used acronym POS which I don't like.
[20:43] <scientes> ahh
[20:43] <scientes> gotcha\
[20:43] <Myrtti> we're watching #ubuntu like hawks, so if he misbehaves, we'll mute/ki...
[20:43] <Myrtti> oh well
[23:30] <BarkingFish> Morning guys, Can we have MacSeal out of #kubuntu please? Posting racist remarks in Italian
[23:31] <BarkingFish> claims it was his cat on his keyboard :P
[23:31] <BarkingFish> Anyone?
[23:35] <tsimpson> BarkingFish: done
[23:35] <BarkingFish> thank you :)
[23:42] <Unit193> MacSeal ban evade, but shouldn't be able to talk.
[23:43] <Unit193> (In #kubuntu)


[08:16] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ping
[08:22] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: goint to need a qmluitests VM detached when you have time to try to repro that test that is now suddenly blocking us from out of the blue
[08:42] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hey
[08:42] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I'll get you the vm now
[08:42] <tsdgeos> tx
[08:46] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ps-trusty-server-amd64-1 it is
[08:46] <mzanetti> kgunn: o/
[08:46] <tsdgeos> tx
[08:47] <kgunn> mzanetti: \o yo!
[08:47] <mzanetti> kgunn: fixed the last glitches
[08:47] <kgunn> cool...i'm all set up...i'll resync this afternoon
[09:29]  * tsdgeos does the evil eyes at Saviq
[09:29] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:30]  * tsdgeos does the evil eyes to himself
[09:35] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_test_dash_shown/+merge/201899
[09:35] <mzanetti> :D
[09:36] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you can bring back the vm to the pool
[09:36]  * mzanetti wonders why tsdgeos doesn't do the evil eyes to him
[09:36] <mzanetti> vm is back in pool
[09:36] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you didn't do nor review the change, no?
[09:37] <mzanetti> ah right... no, I didn't do that change
[09:37] <tsdgeos> you're saved from evil eye-ing
[09:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, uh oh, sorry
[09:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there's a few more checks against undefined that should be probably null
[09:37] <tsdgeos> but they are == or != and that still works
[09:38] <tsdgeos> it's [09:38] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hmm... but how could this have gotten merged? I mean, shouldn't those tests have failed already with the bad commit?
[09:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: because it's a timing thing
[09:38] <mzanetti> ah
[09:38] <tsdgeos> that function there
[09:38] <tsdgeos> checks that everything we're going to need is loaded
[09:38] <mzanetti> oh, I got it
[09:38] <tsdgeos> by making sure they are there
[09:38] <tsdgeos> i guess we were unlucky and the merge ran on a fast machine :D
[09:39] <mzanetti> yeah, the vm's performance is quite variable depending on how many jobs are running
[10:29] <seb128> MacSlow, hey, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~sam92/notify-osd/focusfollowdefault/+merge/198541 as well?
[10:31] <mzanetti> greyback: hi
[10:31] <mzanetti> greyback: just merged trunk and as I feared,everything broke badly
[10:31] <mzanetti> TaskController::startApplication appId='dialer-app' FAILED
[10:31] <mzanetti> Asking Upstart to start application 'dialer-app' failed
[10:31] <mzanetti> any idea? ^
[10:32] <mzanetti> greyback: if I try for a second time it crashes: (null):dbus_error.c:69: Unhandled error from nih_dbus_error_raise: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist
[10:33] <MacSlow> seb128, ok
[10:33] <seb128> MacSlow, thanks
[10:34] <MacSlow> seb128, but mpt also approved it already... but it's good to go from my side too
[10:34] <MacSlow> seb128, I can top-approve it
[10:34] <MacSlow> seb128, done
[10:34] <seb128> MacSlow, thanks
[10:36] <mzanetti> greyback: forget about the above... no idea what went wrong, now it works - sorry about the noise
[11:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, hey, you happy to show what you have for right edge?
[11:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: yip yip
[11:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, what do I do?
[11:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: when did you last flash your phone?
[11:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you already have the sidestage code from ricmm on your device?
[11:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, I don't think so, checking
[11:27] <Saviq> I'm at image 127
[11:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm.. no idea which one that is
[11:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: better flash it with a fresh one to be on the save side
[11:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, 0.2+14.04.20140108.1-0ubuntu1
[11:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, will do, thought it was "you should have an old one"-type of a problem
[11:28] <mzanetti> Saviq: I just merged everything with trunk
[11:29] <mzanetti> Saviq: if your image is an older one you could use my branches before the "merge trunk" commit
[11:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, upgrading now
[11:29] <mzanetti> ack
[11:29] <mzanetti> Saviq: so, you need this branch: lp:~mzanetti/unity-api/new-screenshot-and-focusing-api unity-api
[11:30] <mzanetti> it's enough if you copy the Application*.h files to /us/include/...
[11:30] <mzanetti> then you need this one: bzr branch lp:~mzanetti/unity-mir/screenshotting-focusing-api unity-mir
[11:31] <mzanetti> need to compile + install
[11:31] <greyback> mzanetti: hey, sorry was away, that error sounds like upstart broke a bit, as that message says the dbus message to upstart failed to send
[11:31] <mzanetti> and then this one: bzr branch lp:~mzanetti/unity8/appmanager-rework
[11:31] <mzanetti> you can run_on_device this one ^
[11:32] <mzanetti> greyback: no worries. I still don't know what happened, at some point it was working again... the first 2 reboots I always got this error
[11:32] <mzanetti> greyback: but can't reproduce it any more. so everything fine I guess
[11:32] <greyback> mzanetti: I had it once before too
[11:39] <Saviq> ricmm_, greyback https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-mir/+bug/1269414 you saw that?
[11:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mzanetti, can you please do https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/hide-greeter-on-focus-request/+merge/201817 ?
[11:55] <Saviq> we should add an ap test for that...
[11:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: ack
[11:59] <kgunn> greyback: so i was trying to build unity-mir on my device...which i did yesterday, i just updated
[12:00] <kgunn> the branch....but now, when i hit qmake...it spews the help
[12:00] <kgunn> seemingly
[12:00] <kgunn> ever seen this
[12:00] <ricmm_> kgunn: migrated to cmake
[12:00] <ricmm_> build with dpkg
[12:00] <kgunn> thanks
[12:00] <greyback> yeah, we switched to cmake
[12:01] <greyback> need to see if I can X-compile it now
[12:01] <mzanetti> greyback: if you manage to, let me know
[12:01] <mzanetti> last time I tried click chroot didn't like my system at all
[12:01] <greyback> mzanetti: will do
[12:04] <Saviq> mzanetti, FOOK 6k diff? think we could split it up in smaller chunks?
[12:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: no
[12:04] <Saviq> :/
[12:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: and it'll get about double the size
[12:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: because we're not supposed to break anything
[12:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: so the new sidestage has to be in this too
[12:05] <mzanetti> Saviq: but most of it is dropping old FIXME's :)
[12:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, we're hammering out the side stage case this week, too, so hopefully there will be direction (or there might be an interruption anyway)
[12:06] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah, I heard. vesar is busy prototyping it. looking forward to it
[12:06] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you doing mterry's review, then, right?
[12:06] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yes, can do
[12:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: where did you see a 6k diff btw?
[12:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, unity8
[12:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/appmanager-rework/+merge/199815
[12:20] <mzanetti> 1.5, no?
[12:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, against your branch
[12:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, hmm wait
[12:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, merged on wrong branch
[12:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, 1.5k is fine
[12:22] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah. it's ok. so this is only the Phone stuff... the tablet will come in with another 500 - 1000 lines approx
[12:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: does it work?
[12:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, not yet, couldn't cross-build :/
[12:30] <tsdgeos> noOoOOoOoO
[12:30] <tsdgeos> whitespace
[12:30] <tsdgeos> :D
[12:31] <tsdgeos> Mirv: if you have not started a qtdeclarative rebuild
[12:31] <tsdgeos> you want to include this one
[12:31] <tsdgeos> Mirv: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,75689
[12:32] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok. well I "started" but KDE is eating all the builders so it has not started yet. reuploading with that added.
[12:32] <tsdgeos> Mirv: awesome, it should fix that crash in i386
[12:34] <Mirv> tsdgeos: do you have qtdeclarative release branch git checked out? could you check if I should update from the cb78684ae or if the 10 commits on top of that are not crucial? like by looking at the commit descriptions.
[12:34] <Saviq> xnox, hey, something changed and Qt cmake modules are not found any more when cross-building :/ any idea?
[12:34] <tsdgeos> Mirv: sure, let me check
[12:35] <Mirv> to me maybe thiago's d580411ca looks important, but not much else
[12:35] <Mirv> on the other hand if it doesn't look too important, it shouldn't hurt either...
[12:36] <tsdgeos> Mirv: 2f9099443d9acd6583e92785afbb38b2e4dcbfd5 looks like something we want to have (no clue what it does but sounds complicated, i.e. could break/fix stuff :D)
[12:36] <tsdgeos> Mirv: if updating to current tip of release is not hard i'd do it
[12:37] <Mirv> ok then :)
[12:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, ApplicationImage.qml: File not found?
[12:40] <Saviq> damn ^W
[12:40] <mzanetti> salem_: where do you get this?
[12:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: ^ (sorry salem_)
[12:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, hmm it didn't build, let me
[12:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah that's "real" u8
[12:41] <mzanetti> Saviq: ?
[12:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, distro u8 with new libunity-mir1
[12:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, so makes sense
[12:42] <mzanetti> ah ok, yeah
[12:42] <mzanetti> I dropped AplicationImage.qml
[12:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, yup
[12:43] <mzanetti> Saviq: btw... u8 trunk won't start with my libunity-mir, which causes libhud to go to 100% cpu
[12:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, mhm
[12:43] <mzanetti> Saviq: so make sure to reinstall unity-mir from the repo before leaving the device unattended for a while
[12:43] <mzanetti> or it'll get hooot
[12:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, :)
[12:44] <mzanetti> actually I should file a bug about it
[12:59] <cwayne> Saviq: ping: are we eventually planning on having the unity automatically detect the screen resolution settings? or will we always need to drop a file in /etc/ubuntu-touch-session.d/?
[13:00] <Saviq> cwayne, you mean DPR / GRID_UNIT_PX?
[13:00] <cwayne> yeah, specifically GRID_UNIT_PX
[13:00] <Saviq> cwayne, those are arbitrarily set, so AFAICT there will always be a per-device file there
[13:00] <Saviq> cwayne, 'cause it's not really DPI
[13:01] <cwayne> right, i was worried about that :)
[13:01] <cwayne> Saviq: where are those files actually read?
[13:01] <cwayne> i.e. is it just unity8 that actually reads the contents of those files?
[13:01] <Saviq> cwayne, no, it's being exported in the session I think
[13:02] <Saviq> mzanetti, can't launch apps, and run_on_device complains about pkilling processes that're not running?
[13:02] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah wait, got dialer
[13:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, what's the chopping at the top?
[13:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, is the "I can swipe enough to go back to the app when reached the end of the stack?
[13:06] <Saviq> +designed behaviour?
[13:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: no. that's todo still
[13:14] <mzanetti> Saviq: design is not exactly sure yet where the point of no return shall be
[13:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, you mean todo to fix?
[13:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, ok, how do we fix the cropping?
[13:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: what cropping?
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, - yOffset is not needed any more
[13:16] <mzanetti> ?
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, application.cpp in libunity-mir
[13:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, the screenshots coming from mir are now the actual size of the surface
[13:17] <mzanetti> Saviq: re launching of apps: currently you need to launch apps with the launcher as we didn't merge the fix to unity-scopes yet
[13:17] <Saviq> mzanetti, 'stood
[13:17] <mzanetti> Saviq: I don't see any cropping
[13:17] <Saviq> mzanetti, merge trunk libunity-mir
[13:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, you'll see it
[13:18] <ricmm_> Saviq: hi
[13:18] <Saviq> ricmm_, FUCK OFF
[13:18] <mzanetti> again? I did that today already
[13:18] <mzanetti> damn. conflicting again
[13:19] <ricmm> so yea yOffset is not needed as app buffers are now the size of the render area requested
[13:19] <ricmm> in accordance to the available geometry in the selected stgage
[13:20] <Saviq> ricmm, in the selected what?\
[13:20] <ricmm> Saviq: sthfgage
[13:20] <Saviq> stg007Fage
[13:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, you're being missed here
[13:21] <mzanetti> am I? why is that?
[13:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, just because ;D
[13:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's late, I didn't sleep much, hungover, don't listen to me ;D
[13:21] <mzanetti> is the beer any good down there?
[13:22] <mzanetti> lol. do you have the drunken voice again?
[13:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's *CHEAP* to start with
[13:22] <Saviq> not any more ;) that was Monday :D
[13:22] <mzanetti> :D
[13:22] <Saviq> mzanetti, a pound a beer, 3-course dinner with a bottle a wine a head, 16 pounds
[13:23] <ricmm> Saviq: hi
[13:23] <Saviq> and they give you half a cow
[13:23] <Saviq> ricmm, FUCK OFF
[13:23] <Saviq> ↑↑ he's sitting →→
[13:23] <ricmm> o/
[13:23] <mzanetti> :D
[13:25]  * mzanetti just realizes that the app suspend whitelist will mess with the screenshot stuff we're doing
[13:25] <mzanetti> i.e. the screenshots are most likely always outdated
[13:26] <ricmm> oh not at all
[13:26] <ricmm> it still takes screenshots of suspended app's buffers
[13:26] <ricmm> and technically the app wont have changed if its suspended
[13:26] <mzanetti> yeah, but the app is not suspended so it will change after the screenshot has been taken
[13:26] <mzanetti> that's what I mean... the whitelist
[13:26] <ricmm> oh the whitelist
[13:26] <ricmm> sorry
[13:26] <mzanetti> np
[13:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, the two last (bottom ones) screenshots get swapped sometimes
[13:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, you know about that?
[13:27] <ricmm> so the whitelisting is a hack
[13:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: yep... that will implicitly be fixed with the point of no return
[13:27] <ricmm> lets not write special code to support that outdate screenshot of music app
[13:27] <ricmm> ultimately it wont use whitelisting
[13:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, ok
[13:27] <ricmm> but the media hub
[13:27] <mzanetti> ricmm: ack
[13:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, lookin' good!
[13:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: nice :)
[13:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, noticed that fullscreen apps might need to be handled differently
[13:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, or are we not meant to put the toolbar on them?
[13:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah, that's one of the questions I had for design
[13:40] <mzanetti> they don't know a solution yet
[13:40] <mzanetti> the prototype and mocks only dealt with non-fullscreenones
[13:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, no I mean that weren't we supposed to put the panel on the non-fullscreen ones?
[13:41] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... dunno. I'd think that looks weird, but who knows. maybe that'll be designs answer
[13:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, we will probably have to "composite" the OSK on the apps anyway
[13:42] <mzanetti> well, it solve some more issues tho
[13:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, and I thought videos were doing that (panel)
[13:42] <mzanetti> yeah, martins videos did
[13:43] <mzanetti> Saviq: vesar's prototype doesn't
[13:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think the video is more of what we  should be looking at, but yeah a confirmation is needed
[13:44] <mzanetti> hmm... no that was the mistake I did at first... I implemented the video while the prototype is the one where the changes from the reviews are in already
[13:45] <mzanetti> but we'll see... I have another design feedback call either today or tomorrow - depending on how busy things are on the southern hemisphere
[13:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, right, visual vs. behavioral
[13:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, great
[13:46] <mzanetti> but overall it's quite cool isn't it?
[13:46] <mzanetti> makes the right edge so much more useful
[13:50] <mzanetti> Saviq: I merged with trunk again, still nothing clipped off
[13:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's been changes to platform api and qtubuntu that changed that
[13:51] <mzanetti> ah...
[13:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, so apt-get update/upgrade should show you that
[13:52]  * mzanetti wishes he waited for another hour with the whole updating/merging thing :D
[13:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, conflicts?
[13:52] <mzanetti> yeah, lots of them
[13:53] <Saviq> :/
[13:53] <mzanetti> but merged already... just seems I'm not up to date again
[13:56] <mzanetti> still good after an upgrade... /me tries dist-upgrade
[13:56] <mzanetti> nope, nothing in there
[14:01] <mzanetti> Saviq: did you manually install something on top? ^
[14:02] <karni> Hey guys. Is the Y axis in Qt layouts pointed downwards from upper left corner, or upwards from lower left? I seem to be calculating correct values for vertical journal row spacing, but with the opposite sign. second.y - (first.y + first.height)
[14:02] <mzanetti> karni: 0, 0 -> upper left
[14:02] <karni> mzanetti: Thank you
[14:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, no, I flashed latest trusty-proposed and installed your unity-mir, built unity8
[14:03] <mzanetti> strange... looks fine here
[14:11] <karni> Saviq / tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes-vj-integration/+merge/201932
[14:11] <karni> tsdgeos: Thank you for your e-mail :)
[14:11] <tsdgeos> karni: no worries
[14:11]  * karni already notices copyright header wrong year heh
[14:12] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:13] <Saviq> karni, measuredTwoLinesHeight → out
[14:15] <karni> Saviq: ow WOW sorry, that wasn't supposed to land there. yes, we talked about it
[14:15]  * karni removes
[14:15] <Saviq> karni, no worries
[14:16] <Saviq> karni, I'd also s/columns/maxColumns/ probably
[14:17] <karni> Saviq: The thing is, that's useful for ResponsiveGridView. In this case, we never make the number of columns less than "columns" set, because of large column spacing or other factors.
[14:17] <karni> Saviq: That's why I thought naming it just columns would be more appropriate, as it always matches maxColumns. Thoughts?
[14:18] <Saviq> karni, not sure I followed
[14:18] <karni> Saviq: ResponsiveGridView - when you set maxColumns = 1000, it may happen number of columns will end up 23, because of delegate item with and column spacing
[14:19] <Saviq> karni, yup, why is here different?
[14:19] <karni> Saviq: in ResponsiveVerticalJournal - whatever you set the columns (i.e. maxColumns) value, that WILL always be the value of columns
[14:19] <Saviq> karni, ah
[14:19] <Saviq> karni, I don't think that should be the case
[14:19] <karni> That's where my question came from if we shouldn't limit the number of columns from arbitrary values
[14:19] <Saviq> karni, the number of columns should be dynamic
[14:19] <karni> in which case I'd agree we should name it maxColumns instead
[14:20] <Saviq> karni, we *know* the size of the cards (so column width)
[14:20] <Saviq> karni, what we don't know is spacing or column number
[14:20] <karni> hrm
[14:21] <karni> I ended with conclusion we don't know delegate size, but what you're saying makes sense.
[14:21] <Saviq> karni, we do
[14:21] <karni> That'll need fixing, and with that, columns -> maxColumns makes sense
[14:21] <Saviq> karni, it's small, medium or large
[14:21] <karni> correct
[14:21] <karni> my bad!
[14:21] <Saviq> karni, no worries
[14:21] <karni> Saviq: -> Needs fixing :)
[14:22] <tsdgeos> karni: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/journal_misc_fixes ?
[14:22] <Saviq> karni, done
[14:22]  * karni looks
[14:22] <tsdgeos> since daniel is back pained
[14:22] <tsdgeos> i'll let you review it
[14:23] <tsdgeos> who reviews https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtubuntu-camera/no_priv_headers/+merge/201933 now that gusch is gone?
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ↑↑↑
[14:23] <tsdgeos> sil2100: ↑↑↑ ?
[14:23] <tsdgeos> rsalveti: ↑↑↑↑ ?
[14:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, start with bfiller
[14:24] <karni> tsdgeos: Jenkins failure is expected on that branch, right?
[14:24] <Saviq> karni, one interesting thing to know would actually be whether cards should be resized or spaced out
[14:24] <tsdgeos> karni: i retriggered the build
[14:24] <tsdgeos> we have a pretty bumpy CI
[14:25] <karni> tsdgeos: approved
[14:25] <karni> Saviq: Correct, I came through that, gave it all much thought. Should I consult Katie?
[14:25] <dednick> anyone know if it's possible to detect a click on a qml area, but not consume the events for it? ie. it gets passed still gets passed on.
[14:27] <tsdgeos> dednick: MouseArea has a property for that afair
[14:27] <karni> dednick: perhaps http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-mousearea.html#propagateComposedEvents-prop
[14:27] <sil2100> tsdgeos: right, bfiller is the right person, but I guess I can take a look at this as well
[14:28] <dednick> i've tried, but seems to get messed when there are mouse areas at a different/deeper parent level...
[14:29] <mzanetti> Saviq: added the "point of no return" as I think it makes sense. fixes the weird flipping issue you had
[14:31] <tsdgeos> dednick: standup?
[14:52] <dandrader> tsdgeos, still no feedback from design regarding half-filled organic grids/
[14:52] <dandrader> ?
[14:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: nope :_/
[14:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you get katie to answer the email we sent?
[14:53] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you're preview man? you doing https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/unity8/purchase-service/+merge/201807 ?
[14:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, or I would exercise common sense and do what gallery does
[14:53] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ack
[14:54] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ok, let me finish what i'm doing and i'll have a look at what the galllery does
[14:56] <elopio> good morning everybody.
[14:57] <elopio> I now need help with the cmake task to install the fake scopes and previews. Can somebody help me?
[15:03] <mzanetti> mterry: hey, would you agree that an AP test makes sense here? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/hide-greeter-on-focus-request/+merge/201817
[15:04] <mterry> mzanetti, uh, sure.  The bug I fixed I don't think needs it (because the bug is in how we respond to events from upstart), but that code in general could use it (for testing integration boundary with upstart)
[15:04] <mterry> I'll look at it
[15:04] <mzanetti> yeah
[15:05] <mzanetti> mterry: the functionality and the unit test look good to me. I'll approve once we have an AP test. Just drop it into the other app_lifecycle ap tests
[15:49] <mterry> mzanetti, do the autopilot tests not have an example of locking the screen? ...  I'm not sure how to induce a fake power button press
[15:49] <mzanetti> mterry: hmm... good question
[15:51] <mzanetti> mterry: how does it actually work?
[15:51] <mzanetti> mterry: I remember we were using Qt.KeyPower at some point, but that seems gone
[15:52] <mterry> mzanetti, how does locking actually work?  we get a signal from powerd that the display setting is changing
[15:52] <mzanetti> mterry: well, I guess in theory we'd need to change the display setting then
[15:53] <mterry> mzanetti, seems like something we should mock
[15:53] <mzanetti> mterry: not really in autopilot tests
[15:53] <mzanetti> ideally autopilot would not use any mocks at all
[15:54] <mterry> mzanetti, I get that they are integration tests, but I feel like actually changing hardware settings might be too much?
[15:54] <mterry> mzanetti, cameras watching the devices and all might not like the screen going out.  Though I suppose it would only be for a moment
[15:54] <mzanetti> and that's what we're striving for. the only reason we're using some mocks now is because we don't have an applicationmanager for the desktop yet
[15:56] <mzanetti> mterry: the more I think about it, the more I think we should do that... its the proper thing to do
[15:56] <mterry> mzanetti, actually change display brightness?
[15:56] <mzanetti> mterry: yes.
[15:56] <mzanetti> mterry: anyways, that's not really related to your tests here
[15:57] <mzanetti> mterry: so why don't you just not unlock it after starting up unity and unlock it directly by starting some other app?
[15:57] <mterry> mzanetti, well.  That's one test.  That test always worked though.
[15:57] <mterry> mzanetti, the thing that broke was focusing an already open app while the greeter was up
[15:57] <mzanetti> ah, I see
[15:57] <mterry> mzanetti, but...
[15:58] <mzanetti> hmm... so yes. my opinion is that we shouldn't mock in autopilot tests
[15:58] <mterry> powerd-cli should be able to futz with screen for us
[15:58] <mzanetti> yeah, that sounds like the proper thing to do
[15:59] <elopio> not that anyone was asking, but /me agrees :)
[15:59] <elopio> mzanetti: can you help me with the installation of the fake scopes ?
[15:59] <mzanetti> elopio: hi
[15:59] <mzanetti> elopio: what up? :)
[16:00] <mzanetti> what exactly do you want to install?
[16:00] <elopio> mzanetti: I need the scopes to be copied to builddir/install/lib/{arch}/unity8/qml/Unity/
[16:00] <elopio> but I don't know anything about cmake.
[16:01] <mzanetti> elopio: afaik they should already be packaged up into unity8-fake-env
[16:01] <tsdgeos> need to reboot, something broke in here
[16:01] <elopio> mzanetti: some of them, but not the ones I need.
[16:02] <elopio> builddir/tests/mocks/Unity has more files than
[16:02] <elopio> builddir/install/lib/{arch}/unity8/qml/mocks/Unity/
[16:04] <elopio> so I suppose I'm missing the install function in tests/mocks/Unity/CMakeLists.txt
[16:04] <elopio> but I don't know what to write in it
[16:04] <mzanetti> elopio: oh boy... that's going to be tricky now :/
[16:04] <mzanetti> elopio: so the thing is this:
[16:04] <mterry> mzanetti, hm.  powerd-cli doesn't let you turn off display, only on.  Do you happen to know a better way?
[16:05] <mzanetti> elopio: ideally we wouldn't use any mocks at all but we need to for now. that's why we install some of them
[16:05] <mterry> mzanetti, sorry if you replied, I had connection issue
[16:05] <mzanetti> elopio: the problem now is, if you just install your mock along with the others it will always be used for all tests
[16:05] <mzanetti> elopio: so we'd need a way in autopilot to tell which mocks to use and which not
[16:06] <mzanetti> mterry: no, I didn't reply yet. still thinking about something
[16:06] <elopio> mzanetti: in this case, I think that's a must. Otherwise, all the tests will access the u1 production servers.
[16:06] <elopio> mzanetti: we will cover the tests for the real scopes and servers in a different branch.
[16:06] <mzanetti> Saviq: help me :)
[16:07] <mterry> mzanetti, no rush, sorry
[16:10] <elopio> mzanetti: oh, but btw, what you said is doable. We can tell the tests to use just some of the fakes, but for that we would need them to be in a separate folder.
[16:10] <elopio> I suppose cmake can do that.
[16:12] <mzanetti> elopio: yeah, cmake can do that
[16:13] <mzanetti> mterry: really weird... powerd-cli help says <on|dc> and the descroption of that says "Off, On or Don't Care"
[16:13] <mzanetti> mterry: does that seem like a bug to you too?
[16:13] <mterry> mzanetti, maybe.  It has always been like that.  There is a documentation bug for certain.  Maybe also a missing functionality bug
[16:14] <mzanetti> mterry: hmm... interesting... if I manually suspend the screen and then call powerd-cli display on it turns on
[16:14] <mzanetti> mterry: but as soon as I kill powerd-cli again, it goes off again
[16:15] <mzanetti> mterry: so off wouldn't work anyways as unity still holds the "on" state afaiu
[16:15] <dandrader> mzanetti, a powerd-cli command is valid just as long as it's running
[16:15] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah.  powerd-cli will install an 'on-hold' that goes away when it does
[16:15] <dandrader> mzanetti, so you have to keep it running in a separate tab/ssh session
[16:15] <mterry> mzanetti, fair...
[16:15] <mzanetti> so I guess that architecture doesn't allow an off if someone else holds a on-lock
[16:16] <mterry> mzanetti, and that's why it doesn't accept off as an argument, sure
[16:16] <mzanetti> still a doc bug there I guess
[16:17] <mterry> And yet, the user can press a button and the android drivers deliver a signal to powerd that a screen turn off should happen
[16:17] <mterry> mzanetti, we could emulate/create that driver event?
[16:17] <mzanetti> mterry: yeah... either that, or there is some admin mode to powerd where you can kill other locks
[16:18] <mzanetti> mterry: I guess you need to ask someone from phonedations
[16:19] <mzanetti> elopio: check out tests/mocks/Unity/Application/CMakeListsts.txt
[16:19] <mzanetti> elopio: there are to install() statements at the end
[16:20] <mzanetti> elopio: add the same to tests/mocks/Unity/CMakeLists.txt for the target FakeUnityQml and put some other directory in there
[16:20] <elopio> mzanetti: let me give it a try.
[16:22] <mzanetti> elopio: along with that, please group the add_subdirectory() from the top and the bottom of the file
[16:23] <elopio> np
[16:27] <elopio> mzanetti: it doesn't work.
[16:27] <elopio> the libFakeUnityQml.so gets copied to the install lib, but I suppose we are still missing some files.
[16:28] <mzanetti> elopio: yeah, the qmldir file
[16:28] <elopio> ah, lets see
[16:32] <elopio> mzanetti: thank you!
[16:32] <mzanetti> np
[16:33] <elopio> now, I think we need to discuss a little more about that never use fakes policy.
[16:33] <elopio> we are actually aiming at closing external network access from the CI lab, at least for the tests run in merge proposals.
[16:34] <karni> Saviq: tsdgeos: I sent Katie an e-mail. Without her opinion, I don't know whether I should spread the cards or resize them depending on available space in VerticalJournal. I'll shelve that untill I get a response, and will look into why Scott couldn't surface the summary field in the Card header.
[16:34] <elopio> so many of the troubles we have now is because we didn't disallowed it when we started writing tests.
[16:34] <tsdgeos> karni: i think that's on the spec
[16:35] <karni> "Width of cards is determined by art width."
[16:35] <karni> sorry, wrong row
[16:35] <tsdgeos> or was
[16:35] <karni> "Cards within a category have equal width. Card widths may be one of the 3 pre-defined sizes: S, L or M."
[16:35] <tsdgeos> i had a question there with an answer
[16:35] <karni> not much besides that
[16:35] <karni> oh
[16:35] <tsdgeos> and i think it was marked as resolved
[16:35] <tsdgeos> so it's not shown anymore
[16:35] <tsdgeos> don't know if you can get them back
[16:36] <karni> Saviq: Do we have revision with old comments of the Future Dash spec? (if you're still around)
[16:36] <mzanetti> karni: seems he isn't any more. they closed down the location
[16:36] <karni> mzanetti: ack, np
[16:37] <karni> tsdgeos: honestly, it it says card widths maybe on of of the 3 pre-defined sizes, I guess I shouldn't resize them, space them out instead
[16:37] <karni> that would also match the behavior of ResponsiveGridView, I believe
[16:38] <mzanetti> karni: I'd say yes
[16:38] <karni> ack
[16:38] <karni> I just re-read what I wrote. I clearly can't type heh, sorry ;)
[16:39] <tsdgeos> dandrader|afk: but the gallery does exactly my thing does
[17:39] <elopio> my branch is ready for review.
[17:39] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/app_preview/+merge/201718
[17:40] <elopio> mzanetti: can you?
[17:42] <mzanetti> elopio: not today any more but I'll get it through the queue
[17:43] <elopio> mzanetti: that's just fine, thank you.
[17:48]  * karni is having serious problems finding the delegateWidth of VerticalJournal, since the card-size is defined within the delegate Component
[17:48] <karni> mzanetti: You EODed yet? If not, maybe you could help me figure out one bit.
[18:06] <elopio> karni: which one is your team now? unity?
[18:07] <karni> elopio: Nope, I'm here temporarily, pushing a bit on pieces Phone Delivery needs
[18:07] <karni> to build scopes for MWC
[18:07] <karni> I'm enjoying it here :)
[18:12] <elopio> karni: ah, nice.
[18:14] <karni> ddd
[18:18] <dobey> where's the right place to file UX bugs as relates to global menu bar?
[20:58] <mhall119> Saviq: are all the packaged needed to build Unity 8 on Saucy built and published in the PPA now?
[23:44] <karni> @all Unity8 won't start with packages installed from demo-stuff PPA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6764850/
[23:44] <karni> ↑↑↑
[23:44]  * karni flashed ubuntu-system --channel trusty-proposed -b + demo-stuff setup
[23:45] <karni>  /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/unity8/qml/Unity/libUnity-qml.so: undefined symbol: _ZTIN5unity6scopes12ReceiverBaseE


[00:08] <hans_> Greetings and salutations....
[00:09] <hans_> I just updated libssl-doc_1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1_all.deb openssl_1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb libssl-dev_1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb libssl1.0.0_1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
[00:09] <hans_> Lost my wifi as a result
[00:09] <hans_> Reverted back to the old packages
[00:09] <hans_> Has any one else come accross this?
[01:23] <JMichaelX> i set up a print server, using a 1st gen raspberry pi last night, using cups. I am able to use the printer with every machine in the house so far, except the one running Kubuntu 16.04.
[01:26] <JMichaelX> the other machines saw the print, and are using it successfully, without the installation of a driver. on the Kubuntu machine, it is not seeing the printer, and also not allowing me to add the network printer manually, without installing a driver
[01:26] <JMichaelX> printer*
[02:26] <rodolfojcj> what operating system do the other machines seeing the printer use?
[03:08] <SaEeDIRHA> hey guys, i am trying to install kubunu 16.04 on my new machine , but it crashes when its trying to load plasma , and i cannot even login
[03:09] <SaEeDIRHA> i am guessing the nvidia graphic card is causing this , i have nvidia geforce gtx 960
[03:10] <SaEeDIRHA> any idea how can i run it with minimum driver settings so i can install the os and then install the driver manually later ?
[03:13] <SaEeDIRHA> any idea anyone ?
[05:46] <zys> how to use
[05:55] <hateball> zys: How to use what?
[06:02] <zys> join fcrepo
[06:25] <user|69886> what are the recommended specs for the latest version of kubuntu?
[08:08] <luc4> Hello! Anyone using a bluetooth mouse in kubuntu? Is it working properly?
[08:11] <Smurphy> luc4: Yes - it is working properly.
[08:11] <luc4> Smurphy: does it connect automatically after the boot?
[08:12] <Smurphy> yes. You have to move it (the mouse) a little, so it goes out of "sleep" mode.
[08:12] <Smurphy> And - you need to have it bound once with the underlying Bluetooth stack on your system.
[08:13] <luc4> Smurphy: would be great! thanks!
[08:13] <Smurphy> I usually have it running with my laptop when on the road. At home - I have a docking station and USB bound mouse.
[08:14] <Smurphy> But never had a problem on the road :) except when the battery ran out of power :D
[08:16] <luc4> Smurphy: yes, in fact that is a little bothering... it seems battery should last more than 12 months... not sure I believe it...
[08:19] <Smurphy> Actually - on my mini logitech mouse it does last about 6months.
[08:38] <luc4> Smurphy: thanks for the info!
[08:39] <Smurphy> :}
[09:15] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm trying to use my usb headset with no success
[09:15] <m_tadeu> it seems to be detected properly but I can't channel the sound to it
[09:15] <m_tadeu> how to do it?
[09:16] <soee> m_tadeu: not sure, have you checked System Settings -> Multimedia
[09:17] <soee> and set in Profile different output ?
[09:20] <m_tadeu> soee: I have both the built in and the headset items there....but I can only choose the default device there....
[09:20] <m_tadeu> I just want to change the device for specific apps, like I used to do it in 15.10
[09:21] <soee> m_tadeu: i dont think you can do it via GUI in Plasma 5.5
[09:22] <hateball> there is a bug for that, hold on
[09:22] <soee> i think plsma-pa widget might offer this in Plasma 5.6
[09:23] <hateball> it's in 5.7 actually, http://davidrosca.blogspot.se/2016/04/audio-volume-improvements-in-plasma-57.html
[09:23] <soee> yup
[09:25] <hateball> I dont remember if you can do this using pavucontrol meanwhile
[09:26] <m_tadeu> ok guys....thx
[09:32] <six86> Hello. The Screen blanking problem we have here on several machines since 16.04 is driving me crazy... Does anyone know what I can try? It does not seem to have something to do with compositing...
[09:37] <soee> six86: you upgraded from what version?
[09:38] <six86> soee: 15.10
[09:39] <soee> six86: can you describe the problem more?
[09:40] <six86> The screen is getting black for just about a second during normal work, no other effects, but it is really really annoying
[09:41] <six86> Two external monitors on a docking station of a lenovo thinkpad
[09:42] <soee> ah i have this for a long time when i have TV vonnected via hdmi and this happen only on TV
[09:42] <soee> i read some similar bug reports and it was mentioned that the problem might be in kernel but i'm not 10% sure
[09:42] <soee> *100%
[09:43] <six86> Under 15.10 everything went south regarding plasma when docking/undocking, this is a little bit better now, but this screen goes black issue came adter the update on multiple machines
[09:43] <soee> for me also thin black horizontal lines flyes on the screen
[09:44] <soee> six86: yes i can confirm this happening in external monitor/device
[09:44] <soee> do you have the same when using single monitor ?
[09:44] <six86> When will backports with the newest plasma be ready?
[09:45] <soee> six86: new Plasma, Apps and Frameworks are being done for Yakkety atm. when they are ready they will be backported
[09:46] <six86> soee: Didn't see the problem on the notebook screen when undocked, but I never actually tried to unplug one of the screens. That would be a test but no solution, because we need the screens to work...
[09:46] <soee> if you want to test Plasma 5.6 you can try Neon iso
[09:46] <six86> The first aim is to get my work system completely usable again.
[09:55] <soee> six86: ill try to ask Plasma devs
[10:26] <yossarianuk> hi - just checking out 16.04 - thunderbird seems not to understand mime types - i.e it doesn;t know what application to open .html links, etc is there a package I need to install in order to use kde mime types or is it a case of manually seting every application up ?
[10:40] <viewer|56104> Hi all. Surfing around I have just found kubuntu staging plasma ppa - recent activity often by clivejo . Do I guess correctly If I think to get current plasma for kde 16.04 there? and what will it contain in the future? stable releases or differing beta / test / whatever releases as well?
[10:41] <hateball> viewer|56104: if you want newer versions of plasma than are in 16.04, use kubuntu-backports
[10:41] <hateball> !backports
[10:42] <viewer|56104> thanks hateball and ubottu . haven't found 5.6 packages there yet
[10:43] <hateball> Because they're not ready :)
[10:43] <viewer|56104> Thanks for the information! Do you know of a schedule or so, hateball?
[10:44] <six86> soee: thx
[10:54] <yossarianuk> ctrl + esc no longer brings up the task manager ?
[10:55] <hateball> yossarianuk: It should
[10:56] <yossarianuk> hmmm  - in fact it looks like no keyboard shortcuts are working...
[10:56] <yossarianuk> I'll reboot.
[11:01] <clivejo> no no no no no, dont use staging PPA's !!!
[11:18] <yossarianuk> does anyone here use Thunderbird ?
[11:19] <yossarianuk> It seems unaware of all mime types - i.e it doesn't know what to open .html links in....
[11:22] <pat_rick> yossarianuk: it just did for me
[11:22] <pat_rick> clicked on a link in a mail, it opened it in firefox
[11:24] <yossarianuk> pat_rick: im running freshly installed 16.04
[11:24] <pat_rick> me too
[11:27] <yossarianuk> anyone aware how to get the mime types fixed ?
[11:32] <yossarianuk> oddly it understands .pdf, docx just not http/https.
[11:35] <swimmer_> hello everyone
[11:35] <swimmer_> can't install kubuntu 16.04 into virtualbox, any pointers?
[11:36] <yossarianuk> not tired sorry - works in kvm
[11:41] <yossarianuk> can you go to a tty in virtualbox (i.e ctrl+alt+f2)?
[11:48] <swimmer_> I'm testing again
[11:51] <yossarianuk> try giving it max GPU ram also perhaps?
[11:54] <swimmer_> done that, tried with and without 3d...
[11:56] <hateball> swimmer_: what does "cant install" mean? Does the installer not boot? does it fail at some step? etc etc
[11:58] <swimmer_> you are right... i can run all the installer, reboot and then it wont open desktop
[11:59] <swimmer_> I'm currently installing in a Virtualbox VM and will also install in a bare metal machine
[11:59] <hateball> swimmer_: Ah. Could you try using the nomodeset kernel option?
[12:00] <swimmer_> i will try yes... VM is almost done
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[12:11] <hazamonzo> You know, i love Kubuntu. Have used it for years but its sadly the same story for each install (on my side anyhow), after a couple of months and updates it just starts falling to bits :(
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hi hazamonzo
[12:11] <hazamonzo> A lot faster than ubuntu or Xubuntu
[12:12] <hazamonzo> You know what i mean?
[12:12] <hazamonzo> Just recently.... i lost the ability to plug in a second moniter :'(
[12:12] <hazamonzo> Im guessing it was an update that borked it
[12:13] <BluesKaj> odd , i have the opposite, but I do a lot of tweaking, remove apps i don't use etc, no akonadi or baloo etc
[12:13] <BluesKaj> dunno, my tv is my monitor
[12:13] <hazamonzo> I think maybe im more of just an end user. Not a super linux admin :)
[12:14] <hazamonzo> I would still never give up my kubuntu... too many cool features but its sad that after some months it starts to die on me
[12:16] <hazamonzo> I'll have to dig around a little for the second moniter issue though. Its like losing a limb!
[12:16] <yossarianuk> hazamonzo: often many bugs are fixed in later versions of Plasma/kde - which is why project neon makes sense (or will do when its user ready)
[12:16] <swimmer_> hateball: Vm is working out of the box
[12:16] <hazamonzo> yossarianuk: I haven't heard of project neon but I will do a little research :)
[12:17] <hazamonzo> On a related note, if anyone has any thoughts to why when i plug in my second moniter, my laptop screen goes blank, my second moniter is black (not off) and i can see my mouse pointer on the second moniter, glued to the left side of the screen and can only move it up and down.... let me know! :D
[12:19] <chuck__> hazamonzo: I had some trouble with laptop / 2nd monitor too. Switching via the FN Keys on your laptop rather then menus did the trick for me
[12:19] <hateball> swimmer_: and what didnt work ootb, was that a bare metal machine?
[12:19] <hazamonzo> chuck__: I see. In this case when i plug in the second moniter it just works, or at least it used to.
[12:20] <hazamonzo> no screen switching or anything
[12:20] <hazamonzo> In fact..... now that you mention it I can't even see a FN key for switching on my thinkpad :D
[12:20] <hateball> multiple monitors are not working well under plasma 5, there's plenty of tickets on bugs.kde.org about it
[12:21] <hateball> and it's terribly annoying, yes
[12:21] <hateball> hazamonzo: if you had used several monitors pre-upgrade, you may consider wiping your kscreen configs and have it autodetect again
[12:21] <hateball> ~/.local/share/kscreen/
[12:22] <hazamonzo> hateball: Interesting...
[12:22] <hazamonzo> I'll give it a shot!
[12:22] <hazamonzo> hateball: Just drop the content of that folder and restart or something?
[12:22] <hateball> hazamonzo: each file there represents a monitor
[12:22] <hateball> hazamonzo: yep, pretty much
[12:23] <hazamonzo> hateball: Good to know. I have 7 here
[12:23] <hateball> sddm doesnt work properly with multiple monitors either
[12:23]  * hazamonzo googles sddm
[12:23] <hateball> the login manager :)
[12:23] <hazamonzo> Ahhh okay!
[12:24] <hazamonzo> Maybe i can try the thunderbolt port instead of the VGA one...
[12:25] <hazamonzo> Thanks for the input folks <3
[12:27] <yossarianuk> one a brighter note 16.04 now does vga switching (nvidia-prime) fine - on 15.10 you would end up with no desktop
[12:27] <yossarianuk> at least on my laptop
[12:28] <hazamonzo> yossarianuk: Don't remind me!! That was the only part i really struggled with regarding the new laptop!
[12:28] <hazamonzo> Thats why i kinda fear a reinstall...
[12:30] <yossarianuk> for my desktop the nouveau driver barely worked - the live usb would only boot 1 out of about 5 times (it never got to the desktop)
[12:31] <yossarianuk> once I actually (by shear chance) got to the desktop and installed it then installed nvidia driver (364) it was fine
[12:31] <hazamonzo> yossarianuk: Thats exactly what happened to me!
[12:31] <hazamonzo> yossarianuk: you're bringing back bad memories hahaha
[12:31] <yossarianuk> I can now switch to intel and back and I no longer get black screen at sddm
[12:32] <hazamonzo> But it looks like you remember more about the process than I do. I'll have to remember your nickname for next time I attempt a reinstall :)
[12:32] <yossarianuk> none of these issues effect my desktop just laptop with dual vga
[12:32] <hazamonzo> yossarianuk: yup. Exactly the same thing i got
[12:32] <hazamonzo> intel and nvidia card on the laptop and the 1 out of 5 times seeing my login screen
[12:33] <hazamonzo> Anyhoo, i better head into the office. Thanks guts!
[12:33] <yossarianuk> it seems fine in 16.04 as soon as you install the nvidia driver (I used the 3654 one)
[12:33] <yossarianuk> we would be better of with a plain vga driver (nv) rather than nouveau
[12:33] <yossarianuk> by default
[12:36] <BluesKaj> optimus hybrid gpu setups are difficult for starters , then trowing outboard monitors into mix sounds like chaos to me  :/
[12:37] <BluesKaj> throwing outboard monitors into the mix,...even
[12:38] <BluesKaj> nouveau works fine with single gpus
[13:04] <m_tadeu> I'm settings "Automatically group similar windows" but nothing is happening (not grouping) do I have to set something else?
[13:05] <hateball> m_tadeu: is the taskbar full?
[13:05] <hateball> there's an option for that as well iirc
[13:05] <hateball> "only group if full" or some such
[13:08] <m_tadeu> hateball: this option should tab similar windows...don't think it is related to the taskbar
[13:09] <hateball> m_tadeu: oh you are talking about a kwin rule?
[13:10] <user|45404> Hi there
[13:10] <user|45404> Has somebody got time to explain the compositor settings to me?
[13:11] <m_tadeu> hateball: yup...there's an option for that in systemsettings->windows management->window behavior
[13:12] <hateball> !help | user|45404
[13:12] <hateball> m_tadeu: I see. Not familiar with that one, sorry
[13:16] <user|45404> What do the different tearing prevention settings do? I tried every setting, but still get tearing.
[13:16] <hateball> user|45404: what gpu chipset do you have?
[13:17] <user|45404> Nvidia 660 Ti
[13:18] <hateball> I find that only "full" works reliable for me on intel. if it doesnt crash. with nvidia I use ForceCompositionPipeline and disably vsync everywhere else
[13:18] <hateball> user|45404: have a look here https://psyq123.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/another-way-to-fix-tearing-and-vsync-issues-using-the-nvidia-driver/
[13:19] <hateball> and you may want to enable TripleBuffer as well
[13:21] <hateball> user|45404: and in plasma compositor settings, make sure to tick "disable effects for fullscreen etc"
[13:23] <user|45404> Thanks. I'll follow the instructions in the link.
[13:25] <user|45404> "Disable effects for fullscreen" works fine in games, but apparently things like YouTube don't count as fullscreen.
[13:36] <hateball> user|45404: nope, but the link I gave should help with that
[13:38] <hateball> user|45404: you can use this instead of having to figure out which output you're using: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceCompositionPipeline = On }"
[13:44] <user|45404> When using this, should I change the compositor settings to "Never" or leave them?
[13:47] <chuck__> Can someone help me setting up Flash? I can't listen to amazon music. I'm using chromium. I already did  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer and sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer with no success
[13:50] <marco-parillo> Is there a pepper flash installer (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/install-pepper-flash-chromium-ubuntu-14-04)? For myself, I prefer to use Chromium 99% of the time, but I simply switch to Chrome when I am on a Google property (there, they are tracking me anyway) or if I absolutely need flash.
[13:52] <chuck__> marco-parillo Is Chrome available for kubuntu? Only reason I use chromium is I didnt find chrome
[14:01] <marco-parillo> I do not believe it not in the repositories (Canonical makes some deals for partner (e.g. Skype), but I do not believe it includes Chrome), There is a "foreign" ppa (http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/google_chrome) but on Kubuntu I just download the .deb (https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/)
[14:08] <chuck__> marco-parillo: I'm on 32bit. I'm still stuck installing flash. Flashplugininstaller is installed. How do I actually get chromium to recognize this?
[14:10] <marco-parillo> Ahh, that is why I migrated to 64-bit. I think what you need is pepper-flash. I would try: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/install-pepper-flash-chromium-ubuntu-14-04
[14:14] <chuck__> marco-parillo: Thanks! I don't get the notification that I need flash anymore. However it now says I should try later again which I will do
[14:29] <Graf_Westerholt> Oi!
[14:29] <soee> hiho
[14:29] <Graf_Westerholt> I am still missing the world map in digiKam in Kubuntu 16.04.
[14:30] <soee> Graf_Westerholt: is thi Kubuntu or upstream bug ?
[14:31] <Graf_Westerholt> soee, what is an upstream bug?
[14:32] <soee> Graf_Westerholt: digiKam is not developed by Kubuntu - just packaged, so upstram bug will be something in digiKam itself = digiKam developers shoudl fix it
[14:33] <Graf_Westerholt> soee, as I know, it is because of Kubuntu. Kubuntu is missing a package for the world map for digiKam.
[14:34] <Graf_Westerholt> soee, on MS Windows, digiKam has a world map.
[15:03] <nzimmerle> hey
[15:09] <soee> hiho nzimmerle
[15:14] <nzimmerle> hihoha
[15:14] <couty> hahiho
[15:14] <nzimmerle> how r u ?
[15:15] <couty> i'm going poo in my diaper
[15:16] <BluesKaj_> let's speak proper English and stay ontopic please, nzimmerle, couty
[15:28] <swimmer_> hello there, anyone knows how to allow non-root users to full operate NetworkManager?
[15:31] <BluesKaj_> swimmer_, they can if you add them to the sudo group, https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-a-non-root-user-with-sudo-access-on-ubuntu
[15:31] <swimmer_> BluesKaj_: thanks but I don't want to give them sudo, only the ability to connect to a wifi network for example
[17:00] <viewer|7495> Hey
[17:00] <viewer|7495> Is it true that kubuntu software center is buggy?
[17:29] <steve-_-> hi all, this bug is in latest kubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1429482
[17:29] <steve-_-> known since march 2015. will this be fixed?
[17:36] <Abe_> hello is somebody using the theme "QtCurve" with KDE >?
[17:37] <Abe_> is it still compatible with ubuntu 16.04.. I know hard to answer
[17:37] <Abe_> kubuntu 16.04*
[17:38] <Abe_> I really want to know :(
[17:44] <Abe_> Anybody a clue when Wayland is shipping ??
[17:44] <Abe_> for kde ?
[17:50] <Abe_> HELLO? Anybody HOME!???
[17:51] <Abe_> how to rotate widgets in 16.04 ?
[17:51] <Abe_> I'm on Live cd right now
[17:54] <Abe_> -.-
[17:55] <steve-_-> Abe_:  make some tee, relax, wait sleep come back, see reply
[17:56] <clivejo> Abe_: make sure the widgets arent locked
[17:57] <clivejo> then click and hold on top of the widget until the widget controls appear
[17:57] <clivejo> second control down is rotate
[18:28] <Anoyed> "a stop job is running for session 2 of user" when i shutdown. takes 1m30sec  Can i fix this ?
[18:29] <Anoyed> "a stop job is running for session 2 of user" when i shutdown. takes 1m30sec  Can i fix this ?
 can you try to disable plasma session persistance?
[18:37] <klonik6> Witam
[18:37] <klonik6> Jestem nowym
[18:40] <user|32007> Potrzebuję pomocy
[18:41] <user|32007> Jestem z polski.
[18:44] <user|32007> Zainstalowałem kubuntu. Potzebna mi klawiatura ekranowa na ekranie logowania. Jestem nowy i nie wiem jak ją uruchomić.
[18:46] <user|32007> Jest tu ktoś kto zna polski?
[18:47] <genii> !pl
[18:47] <user|32007> Oki.
[19:01] <viewer|98673> Im trying to install kde neon (Yes, this is kubuntu but it is basically the same thing), and its stuck at resizing partitions. It justs sits at the installations type screen for idk, its been like 15 minutes now. Help?
 #Kubuntu Podcast Episode 12 is now live
[19:20] <telegram> http://youtu.be/QQcBKzfgZUs
[19:51] <jimarvan> helloz :)
[21:15] <goddard> is the gnome passwords and keys package required for kubuntu
[21:15] <goddard> i installed unity and now i am trying to remove everything
[21:30] <genii> !purekde
[21:31] <goddard> genii: thanks I will look at that, but I still have a few gtk apps i need
[21:41] <dbrom> hello anyone using noip2
[22:44] <Scooty> So..I've recently switched to kde and have been liking it, however I've notice this annoying problem with kmail, where attached pictures are displayed as fail to load images...
[22:48] <dbrom> hello... I have ddclient installed but dont know how to install noip info in the conf file
[22:56] <dbrom> anyone know how to setup the conf file
[23:20] <dbrom> Anyone here
[23:27] <dbrom> anyone using ddclient with noip
[23:43] <valorie> dbrom: not a kubuntu-provided application; you might have  better luck in #ubuntu
[23:49] <mdlpe> Hi, kubuntu 16.04 x64. I made a mistake and now i get the task bar up of the screen instead of the bottom. I tried a lot of things, but I didn't find any solution. If somebody have an idea...
[23:53] <Scooty> mdlpe: unlock widgets first
[23:54] <Scooty> mdlpe: then there are two things you can try
[23:54] <Scooty> mdlpe: 1. create new default panel
[23:54] <Scooty> mdlpe: 2. drag the one ontop back to bottom after clicking most right icon on the bar