[06:39] <sethk> teenprogrammer, sftp, secure ftp, is better.  However, it is frequently necessary to support ftp for file downloading
[06:39] <shrndegruv> also dapper or 6.10
[06:39] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: Now the other thing is that you will need to be connected to the internet so be hard wired just to make things easier.
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> i used to do /boot "/" and "/home"... and swap
[06:40] <charle97> 6.10
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> now i just do root, home and swap
[06:40] <bimberi> ext3, with "/" and swap
[06:40] <shrndegruv> thats what i usually do nomasteryoda
[06:40] <shrndegruv> should i add any others?
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> if you want
[06:40] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: Now try it and I hope the next time you come back it will be from the LiveCD :)
[06:40] <sethk> there is really not significant advantage to having more than one partition.
[06:40] <shrndegruv> well is there a practical reason to?
[06:40] <spiderworm> anyone know if there's something i can put into a /usr/share/xsessions/ file to disable DPMS for that session type?
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> but not necessary depends on your drive space...
[06:40] <shrndegruv> gentoo recommends a partition for the portage system
[06:40] <shrndegruv> for example
[06:40] <sethk> shrndegruv, no. hasn't been for quite a few years
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> say for apache
[06:41] <shrndegruv> is there an equivalent on ubuntu
[06:41] <sethk> shrndegruv, that's gentoo nonsense
[06:41] <bimberi> 6.10 has been good for me
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> put the var on separate
[06:41] <sethk> shrndegruv, is there a package manager?  yes, dpkg
[06:41] <shrndegruv> nono
[06:41] <sethk> shrndegruv, but there is no reason to devote a partition to that, or to portage or anything of that sort
[06:41] <shrndegruv> is there an ubuntu specific reason to have other than /boot / and /home
[06:41] <shrndegruv> and /swap
[06:41] <charle97> no
[06:41] <sethk> shrndegruv, there is no reason to have separate /boot and /home
[06:41] <shrndegruv> ok
[06:41] <charle97> shrndevgruv, conventional linux setup
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> shrndegruv, if you've done gentoo, this will be a breeze
[06:42] <sethk> shrndegruv, /swap is a different animal, although many machines these days have so much memory that the swap is never really used.
[06:42] <shrndegruv> how much swap for a gig of ram?
[06:42] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: thousands of thanks for you, dude.. I hope so too.. I will reconnect in a few minutes to tell you the results, hope you're still online then
[06:42] <bimberi> shrndegruv: nope, "/" and swap is just what the installer does and has been good for me
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> swap is used for resume from hibernate
[06:42] <charle97> shrndevgruv, 1 gig swap
[06:42] <sethk> shrndegruv, the idea that the amount of ram indicates some amount of swap is about 25 years old and 15 years out of date
[06:42] <shrndegruv> well i want to keep /home separate in case reinstlal needed
[06:42] <sethk> shrndegruv, you probably need no swap at all.
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> good idea
[06:42] <shrndegruv> yes this is a laptop
[06:42] <bimberi> shrndegruv: and that's fine
[06:42] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: I will be, then we will need to make sure it will work on the install too :)
[06:42] <charle97> shrndevgrux, you probably can get away with 500MB
[06:42] <shrndegruv> so will need to resume from hibernate
[06:42] <sethk> shrndegruv, having /home separate does not make reinstalling easier, or more difficult.  the /home partition can always be renamed
[06:43] <KakarottoCL> yeah :D
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> shrndegruv, having a swap for the hibernate function is good though
[06:43] <gyaresu> charle97, stop making up numbers about RAM.
[06:43] <sethk> shrndegruv, and having a separate /home reduces flexibility.  but I suppose it won't really hurt too much.
[06:43] <shrndegruv> yeah but so i dont lose all my data files sethk
[06:43] <KakarottoCL> well, getting offline for now.. i will try all this ^^
[06:43] <KakarottoCL> cya!
[06:43] <shrndegruv> music vids etc
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> shrndegruv, note, the Ubuntu edgy now uses UUID instead of conventional /dev/hdx
[06:43] <sethk> shrndegruv, you wouldn't lose all your data files.  that's the whole point.
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> in the fstab
[06:43] <charle97> gyaresu, i'm basing my numbers off my experience
[06:43] <shrndegruv> really?
[06:43] <sethk> shrndegruv, you don't need a separate /home partition to not lose your data files.
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:43] <shrndegruv> uisually on install they reformat the partitions
[06:43] <sethk> shrndegruv, not unless you tell them to
[06:44] <gyaresu> charle97, with 2GB of ram eh? You needed swap did you ?
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> ya, ubuntu is safer
[06:44] <charle97> gyaresu, no
[06:44] <sethk> shrndegruv, I rename all my directories, do an install, then I have my entire old system and my entire new system.
[06:44] <shrndegruv> i see seth
[06:44] <sethk> shrndegruv, carying over an older /home, or a /home from a different distro, almost always causes nasty problems.
[06:44] <shrndegruv> cool -- so for resume from hibernate i need at least as much swap as ram?
[06:44] <sethk> charle97, I would be willing to bet a lot that your swap has never been used.
[06:45] <sethk> shrndegruv, no, hibernate doesn't use swap
[06:45] <shrndegruv> ok
[06:45] <charle97> sethk, in ubuntu it has
[06:45] <shrndegruv> goodie
[06:45] <gyaresu> sethk, shrndegruv I just kept my home partition from (2yrs install) of gentoo. hosed the rest and installed ubuntu. nothing bad happened.
[06:45] <charle97> sethk, in slackware no
[06:45] <sethk> shrndegruv, hibernate can't use swap; if it did, you wouldn't be able to swap.
[06:45] <sethk> shrndegruv, swap is only needed to extend memory.
[06:45] <shrndegruv> ok so ill do 500mb swap
[06:45] <shrndegruv> i only have 20 gigs
[06:45] <shrndegruv> so i want to minimize stuff like that
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> er, on mine my resume partition is my swap..
[06:46] <sethk> shrndegruv, remember, you can add swap space in the normal file system, should you ever actually need swap
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> that is what last ubuntu used
[06:46] <shrndegruv> from what i understand ubuntu brings in compile binaries right??
[06:46] <sethk> shrndegruv, it's much slower that way, but since it probably won't be used, the speed doesn't matter much.
[06:46] <sethk> shrndegruv, correct
[06:46] <teenprogrammer> i just installed vsftpd
[06:46] <sethk> shrndegruv, you can install source if you like, but that's not the usual thing to do.
[06:46] <shrndegruv> right
[06:46] <sethk> teenprogrammer, ok, that's a good choice.
[06:46] <shrndegruv> for things like mozilla id prefer bins
[06:46] <shrndegruv> updating a gentoo system is a pain ;)
[06:46] <sethk> shrndegruv, and you don't have to compile for three days.  :)
[06:47] <shrndegruv> plus i like to try new things
[06:47] <shrndegruv> if i got xgl going on gentoo should be able to handle it on gentoo
[06:47] <shrndegruv> i mean ubuntu
[06:47] <sethk> shrndegruv, sure.
[06:47] <teenprogrammer> how do i configure vsftpd?
[06:47] <gyaresu> teenprogrammer, man vsftpd
[06:47] <sethk> shrndegruv, I have four different distros installed on various machines.  The only one I obliterated is gentoo.  :)
[06:47] <jordan_> shrndegruv: I tried to get XGL working in gentoo, that was a nightmare.
[06:47] <shrndegruv> beryl wont work with ati, correct?
[06:47] <gyaresu> teenprogrammer, specific questions are better than generic ones.
[06:48] <teenprogrammer> ok
[06:48] <teenprogrammer> lol
[06:48] <jordan_> shrndegruv: Yes, it will work.
[06:48] <teenprogrammer> sorry :/
[06:48] <shrndegruv> i like gentoo seth ;)
[06:48] <shrndegruv> just want to try new things
[06:48] <shrndegruv> and want easier updating on my laptop
[06:48] <sethk> shrndegruv, I know, a lot of people do.  Go figure.  :)
[06:48] <sethk> shrndegruv, I've found ubuntu to be excellent on laptops, has good wireless support
[06:48] <shrndegruv> its great if you want a highly configurable system
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> and deb repos are super
[06:48] <sethk> shrndegruv, every linux system is precisely as configurable as any other.
[06:48] <shrndegruv> not if you want a highly usable and up to date system
[06:48] <shrndegruv> ;)
[06:49] <britt> if i have a non-ht p4, which kernel do i use?
[06:49] <shrndegruv> sure
[06:49] <sethk> britt, i486, I think
[06:49] <shrndegruv> but if i am going to configure a ton of use flags in ubuntu, i have to get the source and go thru the config
[06:49] <morphish> britt: generic, everyone uses generic, unless you build your own
[06:49] <sethk> britt, maybe 686, I have to check.
[06:49] <sethk> morphir, there's a 686 kernel in the repos.
[06:49] <morphish> shrndegruv: "use flags" is a very gentoo centric way of thinking
[06:50] <shrndegruv> true
[06:50] <shrndegruv> habit
[06:50] <shrndegruv> ;)
[06:50] <sethk> morphir, some people use it.  I have found the performance difference is about zero, though
[06:50] <morphir> huh?
[06:50] <morphish> shrndegruv: try www.sourcemage.org not gentoo and still sourcebased, and no they have no use flags either
[06:50] <morphish> morphir: he means me
[06:50] <spiderworm> anyone know if there's something i can put into a /usr/share/xsessions/ file to disable DPMS for that session type?
[06:50] <sethk> shrndegruv, I do build from source in certain cases, when I need to.  I don't need the package manager to do it, though.
[06:51] <morphir> I understand that :D
[06:51] <britt> yeah the 686 kernel
[06:51] <britt> there are 2 of them
[06:51] <sethk> morphir, sorry if I tab completed you by mistake.  :)
[06:51] <shrndegruv> so 6.10 or 6.0.6
[06:51] <morphish> i think this is a cue and i should go build me a kernel here now
[06:51] <shrndegruv> ?
[06:51] <charle97> 6.10
[06:51] <jordan_> shrndegruv: 6.10
[06:51] <shrndegruv> im weary of the upstart stuff
[06:51] <sethk> morphish, I build kernels all the time.  but that's because I port linux to embedded hardware for a living.  :)
[06:51] <LGKeiz-Windows> 6.10 -> 6.06 personall
[06:51] <LGKeiz-Windows> y
[06:51] <shrndegruv> is it much different from init?
[06:51] <sethk> shrndegruv, init isn't gentoo specific.
[06:52] <jordan_> shrndegruv: It is backwards compatable.
[06:52] <LGKeiz-Windows> Edgy is freaking quick and I love the new login screen and things like that
[06:52] <shrndegruv> i know
[06:52] <shrndegruv> but 6.06 uses init right?
[06:52] <morphish> shrndegruv: 6.10 if your test new / is on a logical partition scrape the Desktop CD download and start a alternative cd download (textinstaller)
[06:52] <shrndegruv> 6.10 upstart
[06:52] <shrndegruv> i didnt understand that morphish
[06:52] <Akuma_> what's a 'dependency package' ?
[06:52] <morphish> sethk: then how come you are not in #gentoo-embedded? ;)
[06:52] <KakarottoCL> hey
[06:53] <sethk> morphish, because I know what I'm doing, I don't need gentoo.
[06:53] <jordan_> shrndegruv: And if you have an intel or Nvidia graphics card setting up beryl + AIGLX is serioulsy a few mintues of simple setup.
[06:53] <sethk> morphish, if you do want an embedded distro, look at snapgear
[06:53] <KakarottoCL> jordan_
[06:53] <shrndegruv> gentoo seems like a distro to use only if you know what you are doing
[06:53] <shrndegruv> :|
[06:53] <gyaresu> Akuma_, You're missing a requirement for the  package you are attempting to install.
[06:53] <KakarottoCL> it didn't work :(
[06:53] <KakarottoCL> wait
[06:53] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: Did you get to a terminal prompt at least?
[06:53] <shrndegruv> ati jordan :(
[06:54] <morphish> shrndegruv: if your / is not a primary partition the installer will not work, is all i meant
[06:54] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: it didn't work for me.. the system hangs up with and without the "quiet splash" line
[06:54] <shrndegruv> oh fudge i dont know
[06:54] <shrndegruv> that could be an issue
[06:55] <morphish> sethk: i find gentoo to be a nice distro to build a rootfs with (then again i don't do it for a living) but i have not found any other distro to be so easy for building a rootfs (from a cross compile point of view) as gentoo
[06:55] <Akuma_> gyaresu: acutally, i'm not getting it as an error, i'm just wondering what it means, it sometimes says 'this package is a dependency package' in the description section .. i'm just curious. and google didnt satisfy my curiosity.
[06:55] <sethk> morphish, have you looked at snapgear?
[06:55] <teenprogrammer> trying to be a bit mroe specific ... xD ... Shouldnt the apache2 folder be /usr/local/www/data ?
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> KakarottoCL, i tried to ask... DO you have the Ubuntu 6.01 disk?.... can't you try to upgrade from that install?
[06:55] <morphish> sethk: nope, as a matter of fact, you are the first to mention it
[06:55] <dope> i can't seem to control the bass of my audio.  the bass slider doesn't do anything.  can someone suggest something?
[06:55] <gyaresu> Akuma_, Specifically I don't know. I assume it's a library or similar.
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> teenprogrammer, nope... /var/
[06:56] <teenprogrammer> to store my website files?
[06:56] <KakarottoCL> nomasteryoda: i have the 6.06 disc, does it works in anyway to upgrade?
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> down under there teenprogrammer
[06:56] <sethk> morphish, it's worth a look if you do embedded stuff, or even if you are interested in embedded stuff.
[06:56] <shrndegruv> how long does it take to install ubuntu?
[06:56] <morphish> sethk: and ever since my usb2 enclosure died the nslu2 is more of a toy now, before it served anything i needed, should i revive it and not sell it (like i plan on doing right now) i will checkout snapgear
[06:56] <charle97> 30 minutes
[06:56] <charle97> for me
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> shrndegruv, ya
[06:56] <jordan_> shrndegruv: 10 min.
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> faster pc, 10 min
[06:56] <shrndegruv> i dont believe you jordan :)
[06:57] <sethk> shrndegruv, depends on the hardware of course, but it takes me around 20 minutes, end to end.
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> no really
[06:57] <jordan_> shrndegruv: You will.
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> i've done it on 2 newer dells
[06:57] <shrndegruv> 1.5 ghz pentium something
[06:57] <charlie5> !swap
[06:57] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[06:57] <morphish> shrndegruv: guess, 30-45 was somewhere in tthat time fram on this duron 1.3ghz
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> !tell KakarottoCL about upgrade
[06:57] <shrndegruv> alright i try it now;)
[06:57] <charlie5> sorry ... shoulda priv mess'g that
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> !upgrade
[06:57] <ubotu> For upgrading, see instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this in the channel topic: type "/topic")  -  See also !downgrade
[06:57] <shrndegruv> lemme find the 6.10 disk
[06:58] <shrndegruv> can i go from 6.10 to 6.06 if i want?
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> slower, butyes
[06:58] <morphish> shrndegruv: not supported
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> i did it fine...
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> had to on an old laptop
[06:58] <shrndegruv> my laptop is pretty fast
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> was only way to get here...
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> good
[06:58] <shrndegruv> not blazing but never had a problem with it
[06:58] <morphish> nomasteryoda: not that i tried it, but the official stance is it is not suppported afaik
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> i know
[06:59] <jordan_> !downgrade
[06:59] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[06:59] <morphish> nomasteryoda: wifi issues?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> i'm on my own anyway...nope
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> perfect
[06:59] <shrndegruv> will it handle X stuff in the install?
[06:59] <jordan_> shrndegruv: yup
[06:59] <morphish> nomasteryoda: no i meant what made you downgrade
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> but i have to enter my password to get into my own secured wifi
[06:59] <splintax> How can I move GRUB to a different hard disk?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> and that is ok
[06:59] <shrndegruv> will i be able to read my windows partitions by default?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> morphish, i did not downgrade... did upgrade
[06:59] <morphish> shrndegruv: yes
[06:59] <gyaresu> splintax, 'sudo grub-install /dev/otherhdd
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> 6.01 >6.10
[06:59] <shrndegruv> sweeeeeeet
[07:00] <shrndegruv> its going
[07:00] <morphish> nomasteryoda: ohhhh <shrndegruv> can i go from 6.10 to 6.06 if i want? <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> shrndegruv, you will be very happy with it...
[07:00] <splintax> gyaresu: and is there something i need to do to deinstall it from the disk it's currently on
[07:00] <shrndegruv> figure its now or never
[07:00] <shrndegruv> now for getting software
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> er, nope... not done that before morphir
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> sh
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> oops
[07:00] <KakarottoCL> nomasteryoda: I have the desktop, not the install cd
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:00] <shrndegruv> does it detect your settings (like cpu) and download appropriately, or just get x86 compatible bins?
[07:00] <KakarottoCL> nomasteryoda: and i have no intentions to download another one
[07:01] <gyaresu> splintax, no. just make the other drive the first to boot. (you can DD the first 513KB but lets not get into that)
[07:01] <KakarottoCL> it would help to get the console working
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> KakarottoCL, no if you have 6.01 it has the installer onit
[07:01] <morphish> shrndegruv: x86 bins for you, the exact optimization i am not sure about
[07:01] <KakarottoCL> if just were a way to stop GDM loading
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> for that version
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> sure
[07:01] <teenprogrammer> how cna i see all the daemons running?
[07:01] <splintax> gyaresu: how do i know what 'otherhdd' should be? i think it's sda1, but i'm not sure.
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> change it to init3
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[07:01] <splintax> gyaresu: i want to install to the disk that holds the partition linux is currently installed on
[07:01] <shrndegruv> taking a while to ask me anything, the instlal is...
[07:01] <gyaresu> splintax, 'fdisk -l'
[07:01] <KakarottoCL> nomasteryoda: yes but i have the 6.06 which, as the website tells, has it by separate
[07:02] <Olathe> How do I get the kernel for the K7 architecture installed and usable ?  I already have the linux-image-k7 package, but k7 isn't in grub.
[07:02] <teenprogrammer> nvm
[07:02] <Thanos> hi guys i have a noob problem can someone help me out?
[07:02] <gyaresu> splintax, the disk NOT the partition (hda,sda,sdd... whatever)
[07:02] <splintax> gyaresu: thanks
[07:02] <morphish> KakarottoCL: the desktop cd has a Install icon on desktop
[07:02] <splintax> gyaresu: that explains a lot as well
[07:02] <charle97> thanos, just ask
[07:02] <bimberi> Olathe: edgy?
[07:02] <gyaresu> splintax, your questions are good :)
[07:02] <Olathe> bimberi: Yep.
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> Thanos, ask away
[07:03] <bimberi> !linux-image-k7
[07:03] <ubotu> linux-image-k7: Obsoleted by: linux-image-generic. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[07:03] <shrndegruv> wow
[07:03] <splintax> gyaresu: so sda means the first SATA, sdb would be the second SATA, and sda1 sda2 and sda3 would be the partitions on sda
[07:03] <shrndegruv> it plays music
[07:03] <morphish> woot, apt knows ketchup!
[07:03] <shrndegruv> i guess that means my soundcard will work by default
[07:03] <charle97> slintax, yes
[07:03] <bimberi> Olathe: linux-image-k7 - "Obsoleted by: linux-image-generic"
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:03] <morphish> shrndegruv: it is a one size fits all kernel, if it's supported by linux, chances are the module i built for you
[07:03] <splintax> gyaresu: thanks. i do support on other channels for windows and some software, so i know how much of a PITA it is supporting people who can't be arsed learning what they're doing anyway. i'm also a general windows consultant person
[07:03] <splintax> charle97: thanks.
[07:04] <Thanos> well i have just installed unbuntu 6.06 and i can ping the lan and websites but i can't see them
[07:04] <bimberi> Olathe: so there won't be an new grub entry created.  you would have -generic already
[07:04] <Olathe> Alright.  What is the proper method of getting the K7 kernel working ?
[07:04] <KakarottoCL> morphish:i just can't reach the desktop, the system hangs when X starts up
[07:04] <splintax> back in a bit, rebooting
[07:04] <KakarottoCL> I need to stop X loading in the live cd !
[07:04] <charle97> top
[07:04] <charle97> oops
[07:05] <teenprogrammer> where is the apache2 config file?
[07:05] <bimberi> teenprogrammer: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[07:06] <morphish> KakarottoCL: just on the mneu check options, i have not needed it, but most livecd come with a option to not boot X,<nomasteryoda> change it to init3
[07:06] <morphish> maybe that was for you
[07:06] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: If you want to be really adventurous you could try entering the commands I gave you and hope they work :)
[07:06] <gyaresu> teenprogrammer, man httpd.conf
[07:07] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: which ones? I can't get the console working!!
[07:07] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: THere is a chance that you just can't see it.
[07:07] <shrndegruv> if i have 20gb and am going to have a separate /home, how much should i give home and root
[07:07] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: even without "quiet splash", the X tries to start and then the whole system hangs.. I can't do ctrl+alt+f1 or any tty..
[07:08] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: what is that chance?
[07:08] <Thanos> :/
[07:08] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: please enlight my way!
[07:08] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, I'm using 5.6GB of / and have many progs installed
[07:08] <shrndegruv> guys how much do i  need to give root to have plenty of room for all the apps i could wnat
[07:08] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: I did it a few times when my tty's wouldn't show up.
[07:08] <crass> does anyone know the line I need to put into the sources.list to access the debian unstable repository?
[07:08] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, I have fluxbox && kde installed but no gnome.
[07:09] <shrndegruv> im going to use gnome (compiz) and e17
[07:09] <Ayabara> I have a problem the someone told me is common. After I have been in xp, grub won't work. Is there a patch/solution to this?
[07:09] <gyaresu> !repos > crass
[07:09] <morphish> shrndegruv: /dev/hda3              19G  4.5G   13G  26% /  and that is with everything i need and stuff apt leaves behind like a ton of .deb (like a 500MB+ worth of distfiles and the like)
[07:09] <shrndegruv> so i need about 19gb for root?
[07:10] <shrndegruv> :(
[07:10] <shrndegruv> only have 20 gb
[07:10] <shrndegruv> i thik
[07:10] <morphish> shrndegruv: no i use 4.5 out of 19
[07:10] <shrndegruv> i wish gpartd would give me the partition names
[07:10] <shrndegruv> ooohhhh
[07:10] <shrndegruv> ok
[07:10] <shrndegruv> good
[07:10] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, no. he's using 4.5. mine is 5.4GB
[07:10] <shrndegruv> ill do / 7
[07:10] <shrndegruv> home /12
[07:10] <shrndegruv> lemme start over
[07:10] <morphish> shrndegruv: should be under 4 if i clean it up, i do have clutter everywhere
[07:10] <shrndegruv> ill give root 6
[07:10] <shrndegruv> home 12
[07:10] <shrndegruv> 1 swap
[07:10] <shrndegruv> and 100 mb to boot
[07:11] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: But there is a command you could use to check if what you are typing is doing anything type: yes "test" > /dev/dsp and if it worked you should hear a load noise which you can stop with ctrl + c
[07:11] <mia> hey all whats the quickest way to get ntfs write support?  do i need to recompile my kernel?
[07:11] <jordan_> !ntfs
[07:11] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[07:11] <crass> gyaresu: so does that mean that I can't? (because debian uses a different components system)
[07:11] <jordan_> !fuse
[07:11] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[07:11] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: great
[07:11] <Thanos> just installed ubuntu and my internet connection is real unstable
[07:11] <Feonix762> Quick question.. I installed Ubuntu on a laptop and then later installed Windows XP on a seperate partition and it overwrote the boot loader.. what is the easiest way for me to restore it so I can boot linux again? I don't have my Ubuntu CD at the moment either so I can't use it to get into linux.. is there some other method I can use to start up linux so I can restore GRUB?
[07:11] <BHSPitLappy> actually, I heard nothing but positive results about ntfs-3g
[07:11] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, morphish I just ran 'apt-get clean'. Now I'm using 4.4GB (down from 5.4) :)
[07:12] <BHSPitLappy> has anyone heard of a ntfs-3g mishap?
[07:12] <shrndegruv> 40 mb should be enough for /boot right?
[07:12] <Ayabara> anyone else have the problem that grub restarts the pc in a dual boot system?
[07:12] <shrndegruv> crap
[07:12] <shrndegruv> serious stuff
[07:12] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: so if that works, which would mean the console is working, would i be able to kill the X ?
[07:12] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, for how many OSes?
[07:12] <shrndegruv> dont want to screw up my windows
[07:12] <morphish> gyaresu: i should try that when ketchup is done downloading kernel tree
[07:12] <shrndegruv> just ubuntu
[07:12] <shrndegruv> (windows gets most of the drive, for now
[07:12] <jordan_> KakarottoCL: Yes.
[07:12] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, uhh, then why the heck are you making a /boot partition??
[07:12] <gyaresu> crass, What are you trying to install that is only available for debian?
[07:13] <shrndegruv> my linux stuff is in /dev/sda4
[07:13] <shrndegruv> extended
[07:13] <KakarottoCL> jordan_: whose command would be being "killall -9 X" ?
[07:13] <shrndegruv> right now i have 40 for boot
[07:13] <shrndegruv> 1 gig for swap
[07:13] <shrndegruv> and 20 for the rest
[07:13] <shrndegruv> i want to take that 20 and make it a / and a /home
[07:13] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, but ---why--- do you think you need a /boot partition
[07:13] <crass> gyaresu: its actually the version, I'm looking for rtorrent 0.6.4
[07:13] <morphish> shrndegruv: if / is on a extended partition the GUI installer might not work, which is what i said earlier
[07:13] <Jordan_U> KakarottoCL: What do you mean?
[07:13] <shrndegruv> hmm
[07:13] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: same reason why people think they NEED a /home or a /usr or a /var
[07:13] <Feonix762> How can I start Ubuntu if the boot loader was overwriten by Windows XP and I don't have my Ubuntu CD?
[07:14] <splintax> gyaresu: i have more questions :P
[07:14] <KakarottoCL> Jordan_U: the command to kill the X should be "killall -9 X" ?
[07:14] <shrndegruv> how do i get around that morph
[07:14] <splintax> gyaresu: i was able to get GRUB to come up, but the configuration was incorrect
[07:14] <crass> gyaresu: I have no problems compiling it myself, but I'd prefer to do it through the package management system
[07:14] <gyaresu> crass, :) I use 0.5.3 |tried upgrading with the source. didn't work though.
[07:14] <splintax> gyaresu: are hd0, hd1, hd2 etc. the hard disks in BIOS boot order or what?
[07:14] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, /home is valid, this /boot isn't!
[07:14] <KakarottoCL> ok i will try immediatly, at least the /dev/dsp thing
[07:14] <morphish> Feonix762: burn another cd, or use another cd like knoppix, anything with grub on it to rewrite grub to mbr
[07:14] <gyaresu> crass, download it and dpkg then (not recommended)
[07:14] <splintax> gyaresu: i could only boot into ubuntu by changing it to boot into hd0 instead of hd1 as it was set up.
[07:14] <crass> gyaresu: yeah, I use that version too, but the developer says its got serious issues
[07:15] <Feonix762> morphish.. if I use a live CD of knoppix can I reinstall GRUB that way?
[07:15] <gyaresu> splintax, you will need to edit your menu.lst (you can just do it on the fly with grub. that's one of the cool things about it)
[07:15] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: often people have a seperate /boot to keepp it umounted and thus not be affected by system crashes for example
[07:15] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, I'm just going to go ahead and tell you right now, that you don't need a /boot partition.  PLUS, since you're limited on space, I don't even recommend splitting up into / and /home.
[07:15] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, bah.
[07:15] <crass> gyaresu: so you're saying that I can't use debian unstable then?
[07:15] <splintax> gyaresu: that's how i was able to boot up. i edited it on the fly - however, i wasn't able to get the changes to stay
[07:15] <BHSPitLappy> humbug, I say!
[07:15] <gyaresu> splintax, hda hdb yes ide positions.
[07:15] <splintax> gyaresu: i had to edit it then press 'b' to boot
[07:15] <ptaylor> shrndegruv: my boot partition only had 20megs or so used
[07:15] <Jordan_U> KakarottoCL: You probalby won't need the -9 , and when you need to restart X you can always just go back with ctrl+option+F7 and do ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X.
[07:15] <morphish> Feonix762: only if you have it id say use that, if not get yourself a spiffy ubuntu CD
[07:15] <ptaylor> 20 would prob be fine
[07:15] <ptaylor> 40 that is
[07:16] <gyaresu> crash don't use debian repos.
[07:16] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: ok, so you disagree, no need to bah me when i try to explain why people like to have a /boot
[07:16] <gyaresu> splintax, gotta edit menu.lst to make them permanent.
[07:16] <splintax> gyaresu: where can i find menu.lst? and is there another way to edit grub permanently? because when i reboot, it goes back to hd1 where it should be hd0
[07:16] <shrndegruv> quick poll, yes or no to boot partition
[07:16] <shrndegruv> ?
[07:16] <splintax> gyaresu: ok, so where can i find it?
[07:16] <charle97> splintax, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:16] <ptaylor> shrndegruv: yes!
[07:16] <splintax> charle97: thanks
[07:16] <gyaresu> splintax, 'locate -i menu.lst'  (/boot/grub/menu.lst)
[07:16] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, I'm bah'ing the idea
[07:17] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, It's where the images live.
[07:17] <splintax> charle97, gyaresu: how does grub know where to find menu.lst? what if i were to rearrange my partitions, say put linux on the sda0 instead of sda1, then would grub still work?
[07:17] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, about 50MB unless you want more than 3 or 4 different kernels.
[07:17] <BHSPitLappy> he's only using one distro
[07:17] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: ;P you might get another bah ready, i have used machines with a single / and swap before, just because i got tired of having free space where i didn't need them
[07:18] <shrndegruv> i tend to have one safe, one current, and one in experimental
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, that's how my laptop is right now.
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, for that reason, too.  My desktop has a /home, a /, a different / (for another distro), and a swap
[07:18] <shrndegruv> hmm
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> I used to keep a /boot partition on my desktop
[07:19] <gyaresu> splintax, good question. I always 'grub-install' but someone was saying that you don't need to anymore.
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> ubuntu wouldn't allow it.
[07:19] <shrndegruv> cant decide whether to go without separate home partition...
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> so, it's not used anymore.
[07:19] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: having one home for 2 distros is where i would say having a /home makes sense
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, exactly, that's the role it played on the desktop. although, that's not the only place it makes sense.
[07:19] <gyaresu> splintax, So you could just rewrite it then 'grub-install /dev/blah'
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, it's nice having disposable OS partitions
[07:19] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: serious? kubuntu had no issues with my /boot, just ignored the grub.conf and made a new menu.lst
[07:20] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, makes reistalling to ANY linux that much easier...
[07:20] <shrndegruv> you mean having it gyaresu?
[07:20] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, when I installed edgy, it demanded that any assigned /boot partition must be formatted.  So, what the heck good does that do, if I want to use multiple OS's with it?
[07:20] <BHSPitLappy> so I just used the / for /boot
[07:20] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, yes.
[07:20] <BHSPitLappy> no OS I've ever used made that demand before
[07:20] <shrndegruv> so if i have 20.21 gb of free space after boot and swap
[07:21] <Jordan_U> KakarottoCL: It is actually kind of fun trying to work blind, I learned a few tricks like if you pipe commands through grep looking for error for instance, then send that to /dev/dsp , you will only hear a noise if grep outputs somethign, so if you here a noise, ther was an error :)
[07:21] <shrndegruv> how should i divie it up?
[07:21] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, think ubuntu 7.0: Nuke everything  except home partion >> reinstall
[07:21] <crsd> I've installed nvidia-glx along with linux-restricted-modules, still I have: $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable   Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver!   What am I missing here?
[07:21] <shrndegruv> yeah thats what i was thinking gyaresu
[07:21] <splintax> gyaresu: Not sure I understand. If I was to move all the partitions, wouldn't I have to boot into some mini-OS to do so (since the currently-running OS is being moved)? ah but grub would still be on the MBR so i could get into that, then manually edit it to boot into something, then edit menu.lst, correct?
[07:21] <nailbiter> What's the next unstable branch after Edgy called?
[07:21] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, it makes it much easier to wipe out, reinstall etc your OS, BUT you have such little space, that I recommend sharing that 20gigs.
[07:21] <gyaresu> splintax, Shazam!
[07:22] <gyaresu> splintax, (grub is like a little OS)
[07:22] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, 20gigs is what I have for linux on this laptop, and that's how I have it.   If I separated them, I risk running out of one or the other's space
[07:22] <syock> hoyo I installed a Swallow meta applet which i told to swallow gnome calculator, now GNOME panel is unusable
[07:22] <shrndegruv> yeah its  a tradeoff
[07:22] <mia> this fuse method isnt working for me
[07:22] <BHSPitLappy> syock, that sounds horrible
[07:22] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: the gui didnt work for me since / is hda7 (did some trickery with primary partitions to keep XP happy), the alternate cd installer took /boot just fine
[07:22] <mia> i think i want to build ntfs write support into my kernel
[07:22] <syock> where`s the configuration file for applications startup?
[07:22] <splintax> gyaresu: okay then. I still have a problem. I think I've edited menu.lst the way I want it. However I still can't boot into windows
[07:23] <gyaresu> mia, ntfs-3g is the way to go.
[07:23] <splintax> gyaresu: i've spoken to windows people about the problem
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, did it demand the /boot partition be formatted? The GUI installer stated it like a rule.
[07:23] <splintax> gyaresu: do you know the correct GRUB configuration to boot into windows?
[07:23] <mia> gyaresu: is that available for amd64
[07:23] <shrndegruv> do i write the new partition table BEFORE naming the partitions?
[07:23] <splintax> gyaresu: #windows people say that my problem is likely caused by incorrect bootloader configuration
[07:23] <gyaresu> splintax,  "i've spoken to windows people about the problem" Oh dear god.
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, "naming them"?
[07:23] <Jordan_U> shrndegruv: Yes.
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> oh
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> mount points
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> yes
[07:23] <KakarottoCL> Jordan_U: do you have msn messenger?
[07:23] <dacableguy> nailbiter - Feisty Fawn
[07:23] <sethk> splintax, I do, yes.  can you put your menu.lst on the paste web site?
[07:24] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: the gui states it like a rule, the alternate did what i told it to do and left it alone.
[07:24] <shrndegruv> i need to tell which is /boot /home and / right?
[07:24] <Jordan_U> KakarottoCL: No, I am trying to pm you but it isn't working.
[07:24] <syock> What is the config file for GNOME(panel) apps startup?
[07:24] <nailbiter> dacableguy: ...
[07:24] <spiderworm> my ubuntu box seemingly randomly changed the system date and time, its of course incorrect, anyone know how to set it correct from the command line?
[07:24] <mia> gyaresu: i dont have that in my repo, i dont think its available for amd64
[07:24] <gyaresu> splintax, sethk yeah. what he said :)
[07:24] <dusk> what is a good audiophile audio player, ala foobar2k for windows
[07:24] <dacableguy> yes nailbiter?
[07:24] <KakarottoCL> Jordan_U: it won't, you need to register in order to pm..
[07:24] <morphish> BHSPitLappy: the funniest part on when people figure out how to partition a drive is: They spend more time thinking about it than it would take to install the OS
[07:24] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, well, my position is unchanged, as I already hated the GUI installer before. I just come to expect this from it.
[07:25] <mia> why cant i make a new kernel?
[07:25] <mia> CHK     include/linux/version.h
[07:25] <mia> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `init/main.o',
[07:25] <nailbiter> dacableguy: I was just surprised at the choice of name. :)
[07:25] <Jordan_U> KakarottoCL: That's the strange part, I am registered.
[07:25] <KakarottoCL> Jordan_U: don't you have any instant messenger?
[07:25] <BHSPitLappy> morphish, oh, I've spent lots of time planning and strategizing partitions.
[07:25] <gyaresu> mia no. it's technically beta. but works really really well.
[07:25] <dacableguy> nailbiter - gotcha
[07:25] <Jordan_U> KakarottoCL: Google talk
[07:25] <gyaresu> !ntfs-3g
[07:25] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[07:26] <splintax> sethk, gyaresu: http://pastebin.ca/243231 is the relevant part of menu.lst. i know i need to change root to (hd0,0) but i'm not sure about the other options - are the map and makeactive parts something to do with the fact that windows doesn't support multi-booting properly?
[07:26] <Thanos> i have no internet on my ubuntu machine
[07:26] <shrndegruv> guys i dont understand this -- do i need to tell which is /boot and which is /?
[07:26] <shrndegruv> gparted doesnt seem to let me specify
[07:26] <mia> gyaresu: problem is that im using edgy not dapper and amd64 not x86
[07:26] <splintax> gyaresu: yes well the windows people warned me that you guys would be yelling at me for various reasons so it seems there's some animosity between the two camps :P
[07:26] <zOrK> hi, I want to install other linux distro but I cant make another distro through gparted
[07:26] <charle97> shrndegruv, you really want a /boot?
[07:27] <zOrK> another ext3
[07:27] <zOrK> hi, I want to install other linux distro but I cant make another ext3 partition through gparted
[07:27] <shrndegruv> yes
[07:27] <zOrK> nor partition magic
[07:27] <shrndegruv> way ive always done it charle
[07:27] <sethk> splintax, I'm getting one from a machine that has dual boot working.  hold on while I log in there.  (unless gyaresu knows the answer already)
[07:27] <gyaresu> splintax, nope. I fix windows for a living for money. I help here for love. You figure it out...
[07:27] <shrndegruv> stubborn ;)
[07:27] <mia> what do i have to do to an out of the box ubuntu install for it to allow me to build my own kernel
[07:27] <sethk> splintax, don't believe everything you hear in #windows  :)
[07:27] <charle97> shrndegruv, yes you need to tell ubuntu which partittion is the /boot and /?
[07:27] <sethk> splintax, I have nothing against people in #windows, as long as they don't insist that I run windows.  :)
[07:27] <gyaresu> mia, build-essential and kernel-headers (kernel-source)
[07:28] <shrndegruv> yeah how charle97?
[07:28] <charle97> shrndegruv, disregarde the '?'
[07:28] <morphish> splintax: true must linux geeks are windows haters
[07:28] <gyaresu> sethk, that's what vmware is for ;)
[07:28] <syock> Hi, there is this panel applet which renders my panel unusable, and it startsup with the panel. Do anyone know how to fix that?
[07:28] <charle97> shrndegruv, highlight mount point
[07:28] <mia> zOrK: you can only have 3 prmary partitions
[07:28] <shrndegruv> what i really want to know is is that next after writing the partition?
[07:28] <tritium> !kernel | mia
[07:28] <ubotu> mia: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:28] <gyaresu> morphish, only because it's rubbish :)
[07:28] <sethk> splintax, my section (from a working file) that boots windows is only three lines, including the title.
[07:28] <sethk> splintax, your title line is fine
[07:28] <Shadowpillar> how come interfaces keep coming up?
[07:28] <shrndegruv> fstab specifies that no?
[07:28] <sethk> splintax, ah, I see what you are doing
[07:29] <zOrK> mia, ok, so I can't install other Linux distro?!
[07:29] <splintax> sethk: well yeah, i assumed so, but i'm changing it to WinXP or something shorter
[07:29] <charle97> shrndegruv, after wrirting the partition you're ready to install
[07:29] <shrndegruv> right
[07:29] <Shadowpillar> I turn off certain interfaces and they turn back on after so many minutes and they wreck my connection
[07:29] <teenprogrammer> hwo do I copy a whole directory from one location to another O.O
[07:29] <iceman> guys,is there a way of re-installing ubuntu without over writing the home folder?
[07:29] <shrndegruv> but how does it know where the / partition is
[07:29] <sethk> splintax, the feature where you exchange the drives that way, is known to have problems with certain BIOS types and versions.
[07:29] <shrndegruv> if i havent specified it
[07:29] <gyaresu> Shadowpillar, Because of the "auto" line in /etc/networking/interfaces
[07:29] <mia> zOrK: u can, but you need to start making extended partitions
[07:29] <splintax> sethk: i think i need to take out both map commands, correct? because i'm now booting from hd0 (that's what grub's installed on)
[07:29] <charle97> shrndevgruv, use your arrows and highlight 'mount point'
[07:29] <zOrK> mia, ok thanks
[07:29] <gyaresu> iceman, yes.
[07:29] <sethk> splintax, is it really necessary?  linux will run perfectly happy from hd1.  can't you just make the windows box hd0 permanently?
[07:29] <sethk> splintax, oh, ok, good
[07:29] <charle97> shrndevgruv, and choose
[07:30] <sethk> splintax, then all you need are two lines:
[07:30] <shrndegruv> i dont see a mountpoint option
[07:30] <mia> tritium: im convinced i need a new kernel for ntfs write support on edgy-amd64
[07:30] <sethk> splintax,           rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[07:30] <splintax> sethk: no room on hd1 and hd2 is fucked so i'm stuck with partitioning hd0 for both windows and linux
[07:30] <iceman> gyaresu: how
[07:30] <sethk> splintax,                             chainloader +1
[07:30] <sethk> splintax, linux doesn't care
[07:30] <Shadowpillar> gyaresu: ath0 isnt auto
[07:30] <mia> tritium: ntfs-3g is only for dapper and fuse isnt working
[07:30] <Shadowpillar> that's the odd bit
[07:30] <sethk> splintax, it will run perfectly happily from hd1
[07:30] <syock> ^betul^: biar betul
[07:30] <shrndegruv> will it automatically handle dual boot?
[07:30] <shrndegruv> if not i have to abort
[07:30] <sethk> splintax, only windows cares.  so leave windows as hd0, and everybody is happy
[07:31] <charle97> shrndegruv, ubuntu wil handle the dual boot
[07:31] <zOrK> mia, I've to delete a partition , but I can't do that ( important info there ) , what should I do?
[07:31] <gyaresu> iceman, chose to install home to the home partition and don't format it (if you have desktop ubuntu disk)
[07:31] <sethk> shrndegruv, if you have windows installed, the isntalled will put windows onto the boot menu
[07:31] <gyaresu> Shadowpillar, That is interesting.
[07:31] <shrndegruv> now morphish can i have more than one primary partition?
[07:31] <sethk> splintax, those two linesa are all you need
[07:31] <splintax> sethk: i think i've got it set up correctly now, but do you have a link to a good FAQ on menu.lst syntax? i want to learn what all the commands do so i have a better grasp on what the hell's going on. that way if i kill it again i can fix it without you guys
[07:32] <iceman> thanx,let me try
[07:32] <sethk> splintax, I can point you at a doc file, if you have linux installed already.
[07:32] <Shadowpillar> gyaresu: and how come my onboard card is eth1 instead of eth0
[07:32] <splintax> sethk: speaking to you from ubuntu - working fine from hd0/1 infact
[07:32] <sethk> splintax, otherwise get it from the grub distribution tarball.
[07:33] <gyaresu> Shadowpillar, dmesg |grep eth
[07:33] <mia> zOrK: i dont know what you mean
[07:33] <mia> delete one OS and reinstall it in an extended partition
[07:34] <sethk> splintax, the file you want is grub.texi.  It's in a mark up languages.  You an run a program to get a doc out of it, but you can read the markup lnaguge in the marked up file.
[07:34] <nrdb> I would like to program the Atmell 89c2051 is this possible with Linux?
[07:34] <therapy> does anyone know how to make the volume buttons on my laptop work with xubuntu?
[07:34] <zOrK> mia, how do I make a extended partition?
[07:34] <splintax> sethk: i know TeX
[07:34] <kuzmaster> hey all
[07:34] <charle97> shrndegruv, you still here?
[07:34] <syock> Hi, there is this panel applet which renders my panel unusable, and it startsup with the panel. Do anyone know how to fix that?
[07:34] <kuzmaster> ive herd various things but.....
[07:34] <kuzmaster> how stable it ubuntu 6.10
[07:35] <sethk> splintax, good.  YOu entered from #windows, so I didn't know how much you know.
[07:35] <charle97> kuzmaster, very stable for me .... i clean installed it
[07:35] <kuzmaster> same....but
[07:35] <splintax> sethk: ;-)
[07:35] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, Well worth using.
[07:35] <kuzmaster> the LAN like just died
[07:35] <mia> zOrK: i use fdisk
[07:35] <kuzmaster> then after 3 restarts, it was fine
[07:35] <kuzmaster> :-/
[07:35] <spiderworm> my ubuntu box seemingly randomly changed the system date and time, its of course incorrect, anyone know how to set it correct from the command line?
[07:35] <zOrK> Command (m for help): n
[07:35] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, cables? wireless?
[07:35] <zOrK> You must delete some partition and add an extended partition first
[07:35] <Healot> dang, emoticons
[07:35] <gyaresu> spiderworm, 'date'
[07:35] <shrndegruv> sugar
[07:36] <Thanos> my lan is unstable as well
[07:36] <shrndegruv> morph i think you were right
[07:36] <Thanos> fresh install
[07:36] <kuzmaster> hmmmmmmm.......
[07:36] <kuzmaster> how about wifi
[07:36] <shrndegruv> wont let me put / on a logical drive
[07:36] <shrndegruv> says no root filesystem
[07:36] <kuzmaster> anyone having problems with wifi?
[07:36] <Thanos> i am cables
[07:36] <sethk> spiderworm, the date command has a set mode.
[07:36] <Luke> how do you find the current X display?
[07:36] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, which chip. please be specific.
[07:36] <Jbirk> I went to a job interview today
[07:36] <syock> I wish i could start another terminal to work on my pc...
[07:36] <kuzmaster> ummmm... i think its a ralink
[07:36] <kuzmaster> its a dlink
[07:36] <gyaresu> !offtopic > Jbirk
[07:37] <mia> ok turns out compiling the kernel is nothing like in gentoo.  is there an ntfs-3g for edgy amd64?
[07:37] <spiderworm> im confused how the date was changed on my system
[07:37] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, rt2500?
[07:37] <mia> !offtopic > mia
[07:37] <Thanos> i give up
[07:37] <syock> na, dareka onegai
[07:37] <spiderworm> it suddenly happened, i did nothing, and could find nothing in cron
[07:37] <kuzmaster> dont think so
[07:37] <kuzmaster> i forget what model it is
[07:37] <tritium> mia: you can compile it in much the same way as in gentoo, but the preferred method is to use make-kpkg to build a .deb package
[07:37] <mia> CHK     include/linux/version.h
[07:37] <mia> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'.
[07:38] <gyaresu> mia, grab the source (top google link i think) after installing 'fuse'
[07:38] <shrndegruv> can anyone advise on how to get this heap to put / on a logical partition
[07:38] <charle97> shrndegruv, did you set / on a partition?
[07:38] <mia> gyaresu: what source?
[07:38] <kuzmaster> would there be any problems using the kde wifi manager on gnome?
[07:38] <mia> gyaresu: ntfs-3g?
[07:38] <gyaresu> mia, ntfs-3g sourde
[07:38] <gyaresu> mia, yep.
[07:38] <shrndegruv> yes charle
[07:39] <gyaresu> mia, ooh. they have a website now... http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
[07:40] <Healot> 3G :)
[07:40] <BHSPitLappy> I just installed ntfs-3g in synaptics
[07:40] <BHSPitLappy> from the badgerports repo
[07:40] <tarelerulz> ntfs-3g works great
[07:40] <tarelerulz> I use it all the time
[07:40] <BHSPitLappy> I don't know how to set it up
[07:40] <BHSPitLappy> but I installed it! :D
[07:40] <tarelerulz> all you have to do
[07:40] <tarelerulz> what I did was
[07:40] <Luke> how do you find the current X display?
[07:40] <kuzmaster> how do you start network-manager-gnome?
[07:40] <gyaresu> mia, it's in the repos. (thanks BHSPitLappy )
[07:40] <splintax> sethk: what does chainloader +1 do?
[07:41] <mia> gyaresu: not the repos for amd64 edgy
[07:41] <tarelerulz> sudo ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[07:41] <BHSPitLappy> gyaresu, from the badgerports repo. google it.
[07:41] <charle97> luke, the x version?
[07:41] <gyaresu> mia, (sorry)
[07:41] <BHSPitLappy> tarelerulz, yeah, just saw.
[07:41] <tarelerulz> Well, it is great
[07:41] <tarelerulz> read /write
[07:41] <mia> gyaresu: i have fuse modprobed and whein i try to configure ntfs-3g:  checking for fuse >= 2.5.0... configure: error: ntfs-3g requires FUSE >= 2.5.0.
[07:42] <gyaresu> mia, urgh.
[07:42] <mia> so i guess im back to trying to compile a kernel
[07:42] <tarelerulz> I use it for my 300 gb drive fat32 and my 160 gb ntfs
[07:42] <BHSPitLappy> :D
[07:42] <BHSPitLappy> I can finally start fixing tags on my ntfs collection
[07:42] <BHSPitLappy> mia, how did you install it
[07:42] <Luke> charle97: 7.1.1
[07:42] <tarelerulz> I wish I could get gyach enhanded working
[07:43] <shrndegruv> holy sugar
[07:43] <shrndegruv> its connecting to my wireless network
[07:43] <theDtTvB> Hello, how can I disable the desktop manager Nautilus?
[07:43] <mia> tritium: you said i could compile my kernel ala gentoo, but how come i cant make after setting it up how i want it
[07:43] <shrndegruv> how is that possible havent told it the password
[07:43] <mia> BHSPitLappy: install what?
[07:43] <gyaresu> BHSPitLappy, man you've gotta start reading the posts... He hasn't.
[07:43] <mia> BHSPitLappy: fuse?
[07:43] <BHSPitLappy> shrndegruv, see if it succeeds
[07:43] <BHSPitLappy> mia, ntfs-3g
[07:43] <sethk> BBl
[07:44] <gyaresu> shrndegruv, it will but you won't get dhcp methinks
[07:44] <mia> BHSPitLappy: i didnt, the channel bot linked me to the docs which indicated teh package was only for dapper x86.  im edge amd64
[07:44] <charle97> luke, are you referring to xdm?
[07:44] <shrndegruv> must be connected to another wireless
[07:44] <Luke> charle97: no... the current X display
[07:44] <shrndegruv> anyway
[07:44] <shrndegruv> still cant get it to see root filesystem
[07:45] <gyaresu> BHSPitLappy, START READING THE POSTS PLEASE.
[07:45] <tarelerulz> do any you know anything about gyach-enhanced_pyvoice-
[07:45] <BHSPitLappy> !caps
[07:45] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:45] <gyaresu> BHSPitLappy, Look muppet. I WAS SHOUTING AT YOU.
[07:46] <shrndegruv> forums seem to have a solution
[07:46] <BHSPitLappy> oh, that changes the intent of !caps
[07:46] <syock> i give up, i just dunno the solution
[07:46] <kuzmaster> how would i start kwifi manager?
[07:46] <mia> BHSPitLappy: its compiled now, i needed fuse0dev
[07:46] <kuzmaster> in gnome?
[07:47] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, is it installed? If so then from the command line.
[07:47] <BHSPitLappy> mia, sorry, I'm just getting a hard time for even bothering to try. This is why I dislike this channel; I'm out
[07:47] <kuzmaster> what do i write?
[07:47] <kuzmaster> put it?
[07:48] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, First you need to know the command. I imagine it will be kwifimanager but you can type 'apropos kwifi' and that should return the progs name.
[07:48] <kuzmaster> thanx
[07:48] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, From a terminal yes?
[07:48] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, no probs.
[07:49] <kuzmaster> ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
[07:49] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, hmmm?
[07:49] <kuzmaster> should i be having any problems use kwifi manager with ubuntu 6.10
[07:50] <kuzmaster> ?
[07:50] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, If you are having problems... then, yes.
[07:50] <kuzmaster> lol
[07:50] <kuzmaster> its like broke i think
[07:51] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, I can tell you how to do things with command line. I don't use kwifi so maybe someone else can help there.
[07:51] <mia> cool that worked.  now whats the "ubuntu way" of taking other mount option out of fstab and automating it usng ntfs-3g
[07:51] <kuzmaster> could you do that maybe please?
[07:51] <gyaresu> mia, had a look at fstab?
[07:51] <gyaresu> mia, noticed the UUID's
[07:51] <mia> gyaresu: yeah, a little different than im used to
[07:51] <mia> gyaresu: yeah i noticed
[07:51] <tarelerulz> libltdl.so.3 I don't seem to have that file  and I can
[07:51] <tarelerulz> t find it with synaptic
[07:51] <gyaresu> mia, 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/'
[07:52] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, there you shall find them.
[07:52] <shrndegruv> dang thing crashed i thik
[07:52] <kuzmaster> where?
[07:52] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, sorry. right. wireless...
[07:52] <kuzmaster> !wifi
[07:52] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:52] <kuzmaster> lol
[07:52] <gyaresu> kuzmaster, typo.
[07:52] <mia> gyaresu: rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2006-11-08 00:21 1E0CC3AF0CC37FEF -> ../../hda1
[07:52] <gyaresu> mia, yeah. the big silly number replaces '/dev/hda1' etc...
[07:53] <mia> gyaresu: im not seeing what that has to do with using ntfs03g vs mount and fstab
[07:53] <smoenux> hey all.
[07:53] <smoenux> quick TwinView Question if I may ^.^ ?
[07:53] <shrndegruv> need a cigarette
[07:53] <gyaresu> UUID=1E0CC3AF0CC37FEF /mnt/xp ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
[07:54] <gyaresu> !helpme > smoenux
[07:54] <gyaresu> mia, or whatever your UUID is...
[07:54] <gyaresu> smoenux, That's not quick :)
[07:55] <smoenux> TwinView works, but, when I Maximize a app, it extends it over both monitors....
[07:55] <smoenux> lol
[07:55] <smoenux> gyaresu... it never used to do that
[07:55] <gyaresu> smoenux, http://gyaresu.org/xorg.conf  That's mine if it's any help...
[07:55] <smoenux> ta... will have a quick look
[07:55] <gyaresu> smoenux, the prog you're using may not have xinerama compiled in. Is it from the repos?
[07:57] <smoenux> gyaresu... not from the repos, but I use a script from the forums which gets the official drivers from the Nvidia site
[07:57] <smoenux> script = envy
[07:57] <gyaresu> smoenux, nvidia-glx is fine for me.
[07:57] <kuzmaster> wireless was so simple in kubuntu........
[07:58] <splintax> heh, anyone have any idea why #windows is coming up as ##windows in the XChat channel list on the left?
[07:59] <Alex> splintax: Becuase on freenode, 'about' channels are designated using a double hash
[07:59] <Alex> splintax: about -> unofficial.
[07:59] <splintax> Alex: oh, okay then
[07:59] <splintax> thanks.
[07:59] <Alex> Np
[08:00] <neobonzi> hey all, would anyone have any idea why my computer freezes when i try to use ndiswrapper on edgy? (i compiled it myself)
[08:01] <smoenux> !xorg
[08:01] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:02] <ruxpin> how can I get perl-5.8.8 in dapper?
[08:03] <neobonzi> can someone help me? Whenever i run ndiswrapper to start up my wireless card my computer freezes :/
[08:05] <LGKeiz-Windows> ROFL!
[08:06] <smoenux> no joy :(
[08:09] <pumpkinhead> what is the best filesharing program for ubuntu
[08:11] <epinephrine> tried frostwire?
[08:12] <nrdb> is there a mcs51 (8051 products) assember in the repositories?
[08:12] <sethfelder> hey all
[08:13] <pumpkinhead> no, i will thanks epinephrine
[08:13] <sethfelder> has anyone got wireless networking to work in ubuntu 6.10?
[08:13] <fd0man> Does anyone know about problems using OpenGL software in a dual-head configuration?
[08:13] <fd0man> sethfelder:  I have WiFi working out of the box with Edgy.
[08:13] <Flannel> nrdb: it appears sdcc is in universe
[08:14] <sethfelder> what chipset is your card?
[08:14] <fd0man> sethfelder:  What is your WiFi hardware?  MIne is Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC
[08:14] <nrdb> Flannel: I found sdcc but the description doesn't meantion an assembler
[08:14] <sethfelder> hmmmm
[08:14] <sethfelder> im pretty sure mine is a........ ralink
[08:15] <fd0man> sethfelder:  Did it work with Dapper?
[08:15] <Flannel> nrdb: "SDCC is a C compiler for the Intel MCS51 family, AVR, HC08, PIC and Z80 microcontrollers.  This package includes the compiler, assemblers and linkers."
[08:15] <Healot> 24xx/25xx?
[08:15] <sethfelder> not for ubuntu
[08:15] <sethfelder> but it did for kubuntu
[08:15] <sethfelder> :-\
[08:15] <fd0man> sethfelder:  Hrm.  Weird.
[08:15] <sethfelder> i know
[08:16] <sethfelder> ill try installing kde for ubuntu 6.10
[08:16] <sethfelder> that might help.........
[08:16] <fd0man> I'm not sure why that would, but if it works
[08:16] <Commander-Crowe> I download a theme from xfce-look.com(?) and I extracted the tar but what do I do wit the files it gives me?
[08:16] <fd0man> Then go for it, I guess.
[08:16] <Commander-Crowe> I'm in Xfce
[08:17] <Commander-Crowe> hello?
[08:17] <nrdb> Flannel: opps ... I was looking at the sdcc webpage.  thanks I will install it and see how it goes.
[08:18] <Flannel> Commander-Crowe: try asking in #xubuntu
[08:18] <Commander-Crowe> I did
[08:18] <Commander-Crowe> n one seem to be there
[08:18] <fd0man> Has anyone had any success with running glxgears (or, for that matter, OpenOffice.org) in a dual-headed configuration under Edgy?
[08:19] <sethfelder> how can i installed kde ontop of gnome, but still keep gnome?
[08:19] <sethfelder> is it possible
[08:19] <happy_broccoli> debian did it first! instant runoff voting a success for over 1 million people in 3 jd (1 still processing) http://hunterp.wordpress.com
[08:19] <tich_> is it possible to make icons for movies to appear as little movie clips like pictures do?
[08:20] <smoenux> lol... flannel, you are always here :P
[08:20] <fd0man> sethfelder, sureapt-get install kubuntu-desktop kde
[08:20] <tich_> sethfelder, in my experience it can get a little glitchy
[08:21] <sethfelder> then i wont....
[08:21] <Flannel> fd0man, sethfelder, you don't need to install kde, juts kubuntu desktop
[08:21] <sethfelder> yeah yeah yeah
[08:21] <sethfelder> umm.......
[08:21] <fd0man> Flannel, true; though Kubuntu-desktop leaves out many things from KDE, so I add the KDE package, too, which pulls a ton of stuff for KDE.
[08:22] <ruzugetht> Hi all, have a dual boot system and need rw access to the NTFS part, is there a util for this?
[08:22] <Flannel> fd0man: correct, but do you want kubuntu? or kde?
[08:22] <Flannel> !fuse | ruzugetht
[08:22] <ubotu> ruzugetht: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:22] <ruzugetht> thanks
[08:22] <fd0man> Flannel, I generally like to have the entire desktop that I am using.  I usually use Ubuntu, so after installing I also apt-get the GNOME metapackage.
[08:22] <shrndegruv> sweet im all installed
[08:23] <shrndegruv> lets see if ubuntu starts
[08:23] <Flannel> fd0man: alright, then you might only want to install kde, and not kubuntu.  If you install both, you're likely to end up with duplicate things (two offices, or whatnot)
[08:23] <tich_> does anyone know how to make the graying of the screen (when passwords are entered) stop?
[08:23] <shrndegruv> ha
[08:23] <shrndegruv> sweeet
[08:24] <shrndegruv> can people help me with wireless
[08:24] <fd0man> Flannel, Oh, interesting.  Didn't realize you couldn't easily have multiple desktops installed.
[08:24] <shrndegruv> for instance
[08:24] <shrndegruv> how do i tell which wireless profile its using?
[08:25] <Flannel> fd0man: you can, ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, etc.  but, if you have kubuntu- and kde, then whatever the Kubuntu people swapped out of KDE for the kubuntu stuff, you'll have both, etc.
[08:25] <grant> hey guys, quick question about xmms, how do you recieve shoutcast tv streams?
[08:25] <Flannel> fd0man: it may, or may not be a problem, depending on what you want, I'm just letting you know ;)
[08:25] <fd0man> Oh.  True.  :)
[08:25] <reorourke> I bought a new hard drive tonight and would like to install it as the primary HD for my PC, to run XP.  My current HD is running Ubuntu - it does have GRuB installed but how can I ensure that once I install the new HD that I'll still be able to access my Linux drive?  Anything written online about this?
[08:25] <fd0man> Does anyone here use a dual-headed configuration?  Mine works (partially) and keeps crashing.
[08:25] <grant> !xmms
[08:25] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[08:26] <grant> hey guys, quick question about xmms, how do you recieve shoutcast tv streams?
[08:26] <stylus> what command can i use to search for directories?
[08:26] <fd0man> stylus, What are you searching for?  Just a list of directories on your system?
[08:27] <fd0man> stylus, Try this:  "tree -d"but note that it requires that you install the "tree" package.
[08:28] <stylus> fd0man: i'm just searching for a specific dir
[08:28] <stylus> i'll give that a shot, thanks
[08:28] <fd0man> stylus, Okay, then try this: find -type d 'directorypattern'
[08:28] <grant> stylus, or you could try disk usage manager
[08:29] <grant> if you want a gui
[08:29] <stylus> Ok, but fd0man - where can I find that "tree" package? apt-get isn't bringing anything up.
[08:29] <grant> hey guys, quick question about xmms, how do you recieve shoutcast tv streams?
[08:29] <fd0man> stylus, You will have to enable the Universe repository to get the tree package.
[08:29] <ruzugetht> cheers all
[08:29] <KenSentMe> !info tree
[08:29] <ubotu> tree: displays directory tree, in color. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.0-2 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 92 kB
[08:30] <reorourke> cheers ruzu
[08:30] <KenSentMe> stylus: you should enable universe in your sources.list
[08:30] <KenSentMe> !universe | stylus
[08:30] <ubotu> stylus: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:30] <reorourke> hoping someone might be able to help me figure out this hard drive problem
[08:30] <shrndegruv> guys my wireless worked out of the box, but it was leaching someone elses connection
[08:30] <shrndegruv> how do i enable wep encryption
[08:30] <shrndegruv> the default config tool doesnt seem to handle it
[08:31] <stylus> Ah, yeah.. is there a console command that enables universe, kensentme?
[08:31] <KenSentMe> !wep | shrndegruv
[08:31] <charle97> shrndegruv, leaching owns
[08:31] <ubotu> shrndegruv: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:31] <KenSentMe> stylus: uncomment the lines on multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:31] <KenSentMe> stylus: sorry, i mean universe
[08:31] <neobonzi> WOO
[08:32] <stylus> kensentme: ok
[08:32] <Commander-Crowe> does Xfce come with Gnome theme manager?
[08:32] <pumpkinhead> so far i have had no luck compiling tarbals in EE.  i wonder what is going wrong.
[08:32] <neobonzi> exit
[08:33] <fd0man> reorourke, You will need to install your new HD, install your Microsoft operating system, and then afterwards, boot into a rescue CD to update the configuration so that your system can boot.  I can't find anything online that outlines it concisely for your situation, though.
[08:34] <Tomcat_> !mbr
[08:34] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:34] <Tomcat_> This?
[08:34] <fd0man> Tomcat_, Hey, that's useful!
[08:34] <Tomcat_> :)
[08:36] <shrndegruv> do i need to restart networking once i change the settings?
[08:36] <Commander-Crowe> anyone?
[08:36] <MrKeuner> hi, why isn't there as much updates for edgy as ubuntu-1?
[08:36] <dooglus> Commander-Crowe: XFCE isn't a GNOME theme, it's its own desktop environment
[08:36] <fd0man> Tomcat_, The only part it doesn't cover is updating /etc/fstab.  Unfortuantely, the person left already
[08:37] <dooglus> MrKeuner: what's ubuntu-1?
[08:37] <Healot> i think he meant 6.06
[08:37] <MrKeuner> dooglus: 6.06
[08:37] <sagar_> whenever i click a ".desktop" file, ubuntu gives me errors and says it cant open it..the same goes for image files, even after i add a file type association...is this a gnome-vfs problem ors omething??
[08:38] <dooglus> MrKeuner: ubuntu isn't fashionable any more.  when 6.06 was out lots of people liked ubuntu, but now it's kind of jumped the shark
[08:38] <MrKeuner> isn't it because 6.06 is more stable than 6.10?
[08:38] <MrKeuner> I mean 6.06 has to be more stable
[08:38] <syock> Yeaaa I`m freeeee!
[08:39] <dooglus> MrKeuner: both 6.06 and 6.10 are supported at the moment, so they should both be getting updates
[08:40] <stylus> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[08:40] <stylus> 0.o any ideas where that came from? I was opening a file with sudo (gedit).
[08:40] <stylus> everything still opened correctly, but that was odd.
[08:42] <grant> question, when an app tries to connect to the net there is a 6 or 7 second delay each time before communication, after the delay speed is my normal 122Kb/sec any ideas on getting rid of the lag, its getting to be a real pain
[08:42] <Tomcat_> grant: Try "host somedomain.com" and see if the lag is happening there.
[08:43] <Tomcat_> grant: Use some domain that you haven't visited today.
[08:43] <Tomcat_> grant: Then try "telnet <ip> 80" using the ip you got from "host"... and see if the lag is there.
[08:43] <grant> tomcat, got this output ;; reply from unexpected source: <IP_ADDRESS>#3072, expected <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[08:44] <Tomcat_> grant: quick reply? Or slow?
[08:44] <grant> quicker than normal
[08:44] <grant> romcat, quicker than normal
[08:45] <Tomcat_> grant: Okay.... in that case it's difficult, and I don't know how to diagnose those things... but it's not your DNS server.
[08:45] <grant> tomcat, i've got dual boot setup with xp, don't get the lag in xp so its not a connection issue
[08:45] <stylus> grant: i have exactly the same issue
[08:45] <grant> tomcat, does that help?
[08:45] <grant> stylus, any luck solving it?
[08:46] <stylus> same thing happens while i'm browsing web pages.
[08:46] <Tomcat_> grant: You can try putting "blacklist ipv6" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, then reboot... that might be a problem.
[08:46] <stylus> nah, can't get it to speed up. it's something to do with the looking up
[08:46] <grant> stylus, yeah thats where its really starting to annoy me
[08:46] <smoenux> !NAT
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about NAT - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <stylus> grant: same.. i don't have all day to wait. :(
[08:47] <iJUST> hello all!
[08:47] <frederick85> how can I append some folders to an existing unclosed data cd
[08:47] <Tomcat_> stylus: For grant, I doubt it's a lookup problem... lookup is quick for him. :o
[08:47] <grant> tomcat, not sure what you mean
[08:47] <iJUST> fucking american boys!!
[08:47] <stylus> tomcat_: does this mean anything important?
[08:47] <stylus> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[08:47] <Tomcat_> grant: "sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist", but "blacklist ipv6" somewhere, save & close, reboot.
[08:48] <crimsun> stylus: well, yes.  Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[08:51] <grant> nice to see you iJUST bugger off...
[08:52] <astro> im going insane lol
[08:52] <brutopia> this seem to be iJUST's first experience on irc
[08:52] <snowshoefox> nm, i found the site
[08:52] <mzli> astro: what's your matter?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: sigh.
[08:52] <stylus> crimsun: yup, just did. Thanks.
[08:53] <tich_> will easyubuntu be released for edgy sometime?
[08:53] <astro> I'm trying to connect to my wireless router, vice ethernet, I cant figure out how
[08:53] <lazzareth> Gday
[08:53] <reorourke> Hi there - anyone know anything about adding a new primary hard drive (hoping to maintain access to current primary-about-to-become-secondary hard drive with my linux installation)
[08:53] <dfgas> is there a superadduser for ubuntu? or a quick easy way to add a user in command line?
[08:53] <firstknight> Hi, I want to run some commands when I ( user ) logout the desktop. How do I do that?
[08:54] <splintax> dfgas yes there is one, i saw it on the ubuntu faq
[08:54] <totall_6_7> firstknight: have you tried not logging out of x but hitting ctrl-alt-f1 (use ctrl-alt-f7 to get back when you are done)
[08:54] <dfgas> k
[08:55] <splintax> dfgas: somewhere on here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[08:55] <lazzareth> I want to setup vlc so that when i open a new video file it closes or takes over the already open window.. I was thinking of trying to closing method, Which led me to try  '   killall vlc && vlc    '  but i think i missing something like.. the file location being passed the the file or is that automatic .. ive seen custom application launchers with  '%'somethings at the end ?
[08:55] <astro> i am literally stumped here
[08:55] <shrndegruv> guys im getting no dhcpoffers received when i try to start wireless
[08:55] <firstknight> totall_6_7, that's now what I mean, I have programs running in background, when I logout the desktop, the programs still exists, I want to automatically kill the programs when I logout the desktop ( but still not shutdown )
[08:56] <shrndegruv> ive set essid key channel and mode in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:56] <totall_6_7> firstknight: have you tried ctrl-alt-f1 after logging out?
[08:56] <reorourke> any help with hard drives?
[08:56] <syock> Why doesn`t the stock ticker scroll? intead it has a kind of drop-down menu
[08:57] <totall_6_7> firstknight: i dont know if it will work or not but worth a try
[08:57] <mzli> astro:iwconfig
[08:57] <firstknight> totall_6_7, I want "automatically" not "manual"
[08:57] <astro> just type iwconfig in a terminal?
[08:57] <snowshoefox> Any docs on modifying ubuntu boot up procedure?
[08:57] <lazzareth> Custom application launcher... why wont   ' killall vlc && vlc ' work
[08:57] <reorourke> will I be able to access my linux hard drive from an xp hard drive?
[08:57] <splintax> snowshoefox: what part of the boot up procedure, specifically?
[08:57] <snowshoefox> I'd like to remove the "Loading Linux Kerenl..." xerox window style to something cooler
[08:57] <firstknight> reorourke, yes
[08:58] <totall_6_7> firstknight: i believe you can change session to one that will just give you a command prompt
[08:58] <splintax> reorourke: not by default, but i think there is software you can install to read ext3 partitions
[08:58] <splintax> reorourke: did you format your linux partition as ext3?
[08:58] <tich_> snowshoefox, the only thing i have ever heard about boot up proceedure is with a distro called gnewsense which is based on ubuntu
[08:58] <splintax> reorourke: haven't used it before, but this came up on google http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[08:58] <firstknight> totall_6_7, that's now what I mean, I want it so that "my desktop/linux/system will run spesific command/script when I logout the desktop"
[08:58] <tich_> does anyone know if easyubuntu be released for edgy sometime?
[08:59] <Mantice> I installed Beryl How to I get it to run ?
[08:59] <totall_6_7> firstknight: ahhhh sorry i dont know how to do that, sorry mate
[08:59] <lazzareth> Mantice   join #ubuntu-xgl
[08:59] <firstknight> totall_6_7, that's okay
[09:00] <lazzareth> Mantice,  type in   beryl-manager   or   beryl-xgl
[09:00] <reorourke> splintax I'm adding a new hard drive to my system so I can run XP on it, so I have to make it the primary hard drive right?  any way that you know of that I can ensure access to dual-boot, so I can choose to boot into my current linux system?
[09:00] <splintax> reorourke: i'm probably not the best person to ask about these things since i'm currently trying to fix my dual-boot setup
[09:01] <splintax> reorourke: but my guess would be, yes. you have to install GRUB and windows on the same disk
[09:01] <reorourke> ah lol ok - trying to make sure I don't screw mine up
[09:01] <splintax> reorourke: and you have to set that disk to be the first boot option in BIOS. at least that's my understanding of it.
[09:01] <astro> mzli, i dont know what to do :(
[09:01] <grant> hey guys i'm back
[09:02] <reorourke> hmm so if I go ahead with the install of the new primary hard drive and install grub along with my windows install, then I should be able to access either system/hard drive upon boot
[09:02] <grant> tomcat, don't know why but that seems to be much faster now, em, could you explain why please?
[09:02] <reorourke> at least theoretically? lol
[09:02] <dope> none of my wmv files play in firefox
[09:02] <splintax> reorourke: grub has an option to specify the command to load an OS manually at boot.
[09:02] <splintax> reorourke: the syntax is fairly simple. do you have another computer to get onto IRC with incase things go wrong?
[09:02] <reorourke> hmm no not really
[09:03] <dope> none of my wmv files play in firefox
[09:03] <Tomcat_> grant: Some network configurations have problems with ipv6, which is a new Internet protocol... at the moment you probably don't need it, so it doesn't matter if we disable it. But in a couple of years you might need to ask some network expert to fix that.
[09:03] <splintax> are you currently single-booting?
[09:03] <reorourke> currently single booting I suppose - grub still runs on boot but right now linux is the only OS I have installed
[09:03] <stylus> how can i bring up my gateway ip with the router, so that I know where to forward the ports? is it ifconfig?
[09:03] <reorourke> but I'm wanting to keep what I have on my linux hard drive and add another hard drive for windows
[09:04] <grant> tomcat, if anything its probably my isp then, i'm in the middle east and they are restrictive as hell
[09:04] <dope> none of my wmv files play in firefox
[09:04] <splintax> reorourke: my recommendation would be to take out your linux HDD, and set up windows as the only OS on the computer
[09:04] <splintax> make sure that your linux can't be affected
[09:04] <Tomcat_> grant: Usually it's bad configuration or bad software on the other side, yes. ;)
[09:04] <ds> anyone know why debian/ubuntu have an ancient version of bittorrent?
[09:04] <splintax> reorourke: then after that, set it to boot from linux
[09:04] <Tomcat_> grant: And since most people use Windows and Windows doesn't have ipv6 enabled by default, it doesn't matter for most people.
[09:04] <splintax> boot from the linux HDD
[09:04] <dope> none of my wmv files play in firefox
[09:04] <grant> i better not say to much about Etisalat...they might be listening...
[09:05] <splintax> then edit the grub configuration from linux. you can set it up to 'trick' windows into thinking it's running off the main HDD or somethign.
[09:05] <Tomcat_> !restrictedformats | dope
[09:05] <ubotu> dope: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:05] <Tomcat_> dope: Check for w32codecs.
[09:05] <Tomcat_> dope: Best way imho is to install mozilla-mplayer and w32codecs, that will fix it.
[09:05] <dope> kk thx
[09:06] <astro> can someone help me configure wireless internet
[09:06] <astro> please.
[09:06] <joevandyk>     change_column :points, :user_id, :integer, :null => false" set the column to not allow nulls?
[09:06] <sn00p> Does anybody have any experience with microsd  storage with ubuntu? I have a AMD 64 bit turion x2 HP note book that i'm trying to get my microsd drive to work with having no luck
[09:06] <joevandyk> Oops.. why doesn't "change_column :points, :user_id, :integer, :null => false" set the user_id column to not allow nulls?
[09:06] <shrndegruv> guys noone can help me with wireless?
[09:07] <shrndegruv> its stumping me...
[09:07] <joevandyk> oops, wrong channel
[09:07] <Mantice> What was that channel for beryl support ?
[09:07] <Mantice> I logged out and lost it.
[09:07] <splintax> is it normal for it to be quite slow when reading from an ntfs partition in ubuntu?
[09:08] <splintax> lazzareth
[09:08] <splintax> 	Mantice join #ubuntu-xgl
[09:08] <snowshoefox> found it, upstart.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <reorourke> splintax: thanks - to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, once I am at the point where I'm editing GRuB I have my linux HDD back as the master hard drive, windows as slave, right?
[09:09] <KenSentMe> I have two soundcards in my system. How can i make sure that in default ubuntu always uses one, except when i choose a program to use the other soundcard. Where do i do these things?
[09:10] <splintax> reorourke: you should be editing the grub configuration while running linux. that's the only way that you can get the grub configuration to be permanent.
[09:10] <dope> i tried the w32codecs and the mozilla-mplayer
[09:10] <dope> but the embeded wmv files don't play
[09:10] <splintax> reorourke: when editing grub from grub, the changes are only temporary, and will go back to what they were before next time you reboot.
[09:10] <splintax> reorourke: but as i say, i learnt this today while trying to set up my machine to dual-boot
[09:11] <splintax> reorourke: only i'm going from windows only to win+lin, opposite to you.
[09:11] <splintax> reorourke: so you should probably get separate confirmation that what i'm saying is all correct.
[09:11] <reorourke> splintax: thanks
[09:11] <reorourke> anyone else able to confirm?
[09:12] <astro> so is anyone avaliable to help me out in getting my wireless to connect to the router
[09:13] <brutopia> astro: what kind of wireless interface you have
[09:13] <gabrielg> morning
[09:13] <astro> internal on my HP notebook zd8000
[09:13] <astro> connecting to a Belkin router
[09:13] <brutopia> intel centrino?
[09:13] <gabrielg> quick question: what's the uid and gid of the 'ubuntu' user on the Edgy Live CD?
[09:13] <ruxpin> gabrielg: getent passwd | grep ubuntu
[09:13] <gabrielg> i don't have any possibility to test atm, but need to write instructions
[09:13] <lazzareth> gabrielg, Wouldnt it be 1000 ?
[09:14] <ruxpin> gabrielg: id backuppc
[09:14] <ruxpin> gabrielg: id ubuntu, I mean :)
[09:14] <astro> brutopia, im unsure, its a P4 is all I know
[09:14] <gabrielg> lazzareth: it sounds reasonable, yes. it's the common one isn't it
[09:14] <gabrielg> ruxpin: but i'm not running the live cd right now, unfortunately, or i wouldn't be asking ;)
[09:14] <astro> i just know its an HP Pavilion zd8000
[09:15] <gabrielg> i just figured that *somebody* in here should be running the cd right now :)
[09:16] <brutopia> astro: write sudo lspci |grep -i broadcom on the shell and paste what it outputs
[09:16] <astro> its really starting to get to me lol
[09:17] <brutopia> is this BCM94306 string there
[09:17] <astro> 0b:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[09:17] <brutopia> look what google gave as the first result: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190177
[09:18] <dfgas> !dma
[09:18] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[09:18] <astro> brutopia, BCM4318
[09:19] <astro> oh
[09:19] <brutopia> ?
[09:19] <brutopia> I solved whole thing with two google queries
[09:20] <astro> thanks!
[09:20] <brutopia> first I googled your laptop's model to find out it's wlan interface's model and then googled the model and "ubuntu"
[09:20] <MikeDK> Hi all
[09:23] <Han> hi. I installed server and then xubuntu-desktop metapackage and then removed just the metapackage and now apt-get always suggests to use autoremove to remove all the packages required by the xubuntu-desktop metapackage. How do I make apt-get understand I like those packages (at least most of them)
[09:24] <deep__> Leave the metapackage? :)
[09:24] <Han> well it was suggested to remove the meta-package to be able to remove for instance cups.
[09:26] <HumanPrototype> hi all
[09:26] <MikeDK> hi there
[09:26] <HumanPrototype> if i install xubuntu from a beta cd then update will it be any different from installing using the normal cd?
[09:26] <MikeDK> afk a bit here
[09:27] <deep__> HumanPrototype: No. :)
[09:27] <MikeDK> probably u wont get all the new updates since its a beta u using
[09:27] <HumanPrototype> ok, thanks
[09:27] <HumanPrototype> also
[09:27] <HumanPrototype> i know this may be the wrong channel
[09:27] <HumanPrototype> but is this for dapper or edgy?
[09:28] <MikeDK> dapper
[09:28] <HumanPrototype> as dapper is LTS but edgy is the latest release
[09:28] <HumanPrototype> ok
[09:28] <MikeDK> i thnk nopt sure at the moment
[09:28] <MikeDK> upps not sure
[09:28] <SurfnKid> how can i check the Flash version of FF
[09:29] <deep__> MikeDK, You wont get new updates? I thought you did?
[09:29] <mistform> I have 7 installed, but most sites read version 5 or some crap like that
[09:29] <deep__> Your using the same repos, right?
[09:29] <HumanPrototype> and finally, is edgy+1 just edgy and they alter it from there or do they start afresh for some reason.
[09:30] <MikeDK> deep_ : well isnt it a beta hes using then its probably not all up to date
[09:30] <HumanPrototype> and can i run edgy+1 or is that the stupidest idea since the square wheel?
[09:30] <HumanPrototype> MikeDK, i will update from the repos after install
[09:31] <mistform> anyone here having problems with wine involving wineprefixcreate???
[09:31] <shrndegruv> guys to install compiz, what do i put in sources.list?
[09:31] <mistform> I can't install IE6
[09:31] <MikeDK> deep_ : or am I tottaly wrong here not that good yet in linux just trying to help
[09:32] <HumanPrototype> MikeDK, thanks, much better than no answers at all
[09:32] <MikeDK> thx man
[09:33] <MikeDK> better to try than not to try at all right??
[09:33] <MikeDK> lol mistform what u want with ie6
[09:34] <mistform> MikeDK, there are some sites I want to see but they are only for IE and flash 8+
[09:35] <mistform> I can't install anything above flash 7 for FF, and even then the website thinks i Have something below flashplayer 6
[09:35] <MikeDK> mistform: oooh right try adobe labs for the flash 9 beta
[09:35] <mistform> I did
[09:35] <mistform> It will only let me download flash 7
[09:35] <shrndegruv> noone can help me modify my repositories?
[09:35] <mistform> I was on the site for hours to get the damn site to work
[09:35] <shrndegruv> common guys im an ubuntu virgin
[09:35] <MikeDK> mistform: k i tryed it to but dosnt seem to work right in fox
[09:36] <smoenux> somebody... please help me T_T ....  I put in the IP and it just loads for ages, and eventually Firefox just connects to it's default home page :(
[09:36] <MikeDK> mistform: just a sec have a link here
[09:36] <mistform> shrndegruv, dapper or edgy or what?
[09:36] <shrndegruv> edgy
[09:37] <mistform> shrndegruv, this is for dapper drake: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:37] <shrndegruv> trying to get xgl going
[09:37] <gnomefreak> !repos | shrndegruv
[09:37] <ubotu> shrndegruv: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:37] <shrndegruv> i need multiverse universe and the beer repository
[09:37] <mistform> wow
[09:37] <smoenux> ooh shrndegruv ... got a really good howto on the forums
[09:37] <mistform> could my laptop lag anyfucking mroe????
[09:37] <smoenux> i get the link quick
[09:37] <gnomefreak> shrndegruv: join #ubuntu-xgl for help with that please
[09:37] <Mantice> Could some one help me with beryl I tryed the other room but they were all afk, Ive really screwed up beryl.
[09:37] <shrndegruv> yeah noone there
[09:37] <gnomefreak> mistform: watch your language please
[09:37] <HumanPrototype> is using feisty a stupid idea?
[09:37] <Mantice> Sorry.
[09:38] <gnomefreak> HumanPrototype: yes
[09:38] <mRCUTEO> anyone knows what package i needed to install EGGDROP.. sudo apt-get install ?
[09:38] <mistform> shrndegruv, here's the Edgy guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:38] <HumanPrototype> gnomefreak, thanks - ill stick with edgy for a month or so then
[09:38] <gnomefreak> mRCUTEO: try asking that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:38] <smoenux> shrndegruv: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[09:38] <mRCUTEO> k
[09:39] <MikeDK> mistform: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux#Building_and_installing
[09:39] <ThomasPorter> Is ubuntu good for servers?
[09:39] <MikeDK> mistform: yo try this link
[09:39] <gnomefreak> ThomasPorter: yes
[09:39] <Madpilot> ThomasPorter, ubuntu.com runs their own product, and it seems to work, so yes. :)
[09:39] <mistform> It's loading.... thanks to my slow slow slow slow and even more exceptionally slow today laptop
[09:39] <Mantice> When I try and start a XGL session it just log's me back out.
[09:39] <ThomasPorter> gronefreak: Better then debian?
[09:39] <gnomefreak> ThomasPorter: same
[09:40] <ThomasPorter> Thought so.
[09:40] <MikeDK> afk a bit here
[09:40] <ThomasPorter> I just loaded a debian box and I forgot to stick the eth cable in.. when I got to the apt configration part It came up with an error.. so I plugged it in.. although It still comes up with this error, i've even restarted.
[09:40] <ThomasPorter> Its a debian question, but their all idle ;)
[09:41] <ThomasPorter> ubuntu's the next best thing :P
[09:41] <ThomasPorter> Its a normal 'failed to fetch' error.. i've tried different mirrors too
[09:41] <mRCUTEO> ThomasPorter: i build a webserver / irc server / game server with ubuntu :)
[09:41] <Mantice> Could some one help me Please ?
[09:41] <defrysk> ThomasPorter, reinstal with cable plugged in might help, otherwise try an ubuntu -install ;p
[09:42] <KenSentMe> I have two soundcards in my system. How can i make sure that in default ubuntu always uses one, except when i choose a program to use the other soundcard. Where do i do these things?
[09:42] <ThomasPorter> :P
[09:42] <ThomasPorter> This has been an extra long installation :|
[09:42] <ThomasPorter> Because I was writing a tutorial aswell
[09:42] <defrysk> ThomasPorter, and have fun in the debian irc's
[09:42] <gnomefreak> Mantice: xglor compiz is crashing please ask that in #ubuntu-xgl. look in topic if there is noone there iirc there are help links there
[09:43] <ThomasPorter> Thanks
[09:43] <shrndegruv> hey how do i install mirc?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> KenSentMe: why 2 cards?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> shrndegruv: in wine or windows
[09:44] <shrndegruv> ubuntu
[09:44] <ThomasPorter> Does irc support linux?
[09:44] <yakumo> Hi anyone familiar with the UIM applet?
[09:44] <Mantice> gnomefreak, I followed a wiki but it came up with a error message so I followed another wiki and now it says nothing.
[09:44] <defrysk> shrndegruv, in linux try xchat
[09:44] <shrndegruv> is it apt-get xchat?
[09:44] <CarinArr> thomasporter, erm.. you serious?
[09:44] <Mantice> gnomefreak, So now I have like files all around the place all messed up.
[09:44] <defrysk> shrndegruv, yes
[09:44] <gnomefreak> shrndegruv: sudo apt-get install xchat
[09:45] <shrndegruv> couldnt find xchat
[09:45] <gnomefreak> Mantice: i havent run xgl/compiz in a long time. im more on the lines of beryl. you would really need to ask in #ubuntu-xgl or #xgl or #compiz
[09:45] <gnomefreak> shrndegruv: enable universe repo
[09:45] <KenSentMe> gnomefreak: well, i have two becuase my onboard didn't always work well. I would like to play all sounds on one card that is connected to my hifi set (for listening to music, radio etc.) But if i e.g. am talking to someone on skype/teamspeak or play a game i want to use the other that connected to my headset
[09:46] <Fallen_Angel> Excuse me - can someone help me  with my ubuntu ???
[09:46] <shrndegruv> oye
[09:46] <shrndegruv> ok
[09:46] <shrndegruv> manana
[09:46] <shrndegruv> i give up for now
[09:46] <Mantice> gnomefreak, do you know how to fix terminals ?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> Mantice: define fix terminals
[09:46] <KenSentMe> gnomefreak: is there a command i can use to make a program use a specific sound device?
[09:46] <Fallen_Angel> Excuse me - can someone help me  with my ubuntu ???
[09:46] <defrysk> !ask | Fallen_Angel
[09:46] <ubotu> Fallen_Angel: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:46] <Mantice> gnomefreak, some thing really stange is happening to my computer
[09:46] <CarinArr> fallen_angel, just ask
[09:46] <e_machinist> In a default Ubuntu install, are the default display drivers the DRI drivers?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> KenSentMe: there is but i dont remember what it is since edgy can by default play more than one sound per card now and dapper had a package to isntall for multi sounds
[09:47] <e_machinist> If it detects an ATI card (or even an NV).
[09:47] <Mantice> gnomefreak, You know how when you open up your console and it says its ready with the  user@computer
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Mantice: yes?
[09:47] <Mantice> gnomefreak, It takes like 1 min now for that to happen before It was instant.
[09:47] <dope> do you think cats have motions?
[09:47] <jcrimt> !rt2500
[09:47] <ubotu> rt2500: configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (edgy), package size 106 kB, installed size 404 kB
[09:48] <Fallen_Angel> !ask I have a problem with Russian Language support in php5 it displays it in some different way like "?!?!?" , i think that the problem is with the mbstring
[09:48] <gnomefreak> Mantice: what console what version of ubuntu what desktop?
[09:48] <joachim-n> is there a log of what synaptic has installed recently?
[09:48] <Mantice> Im using Dapper
[09:48] <gnomefreak> Mantice: also xgl/compiz might be causing that too
[09:48] <mRCUTEO> dapper roocks
[09:48] <mzli> Fallen_Angel:ask in ##php
[09:48] <Mantice> gnomefreak, GNOME Terminal 2.14.2
[09:49] <jcrimt> !help
[09:49] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:49] <Mantice> gnomefreak, how do I uninstall it
[09:49] <mzli>  jcrimt: say
[09:49] <gnomefreak> joachim-n: there are a few logs in /var/log i cant remember what one is what your looking for off hand
[09:49] <joachim-n> thanks
[09:49] <tarelerulz> do any of you know of media player that plays over samba
[09:49] <Mantice> gnomefreak, I found out what it was it was that beryl icon in the tray.
[09:50] <joachim-n> looks like  dpkg.log
[09:50] <gnomefreak> Mantice: beryl or xgl?
[09:50] <mistform> MikeDK, I get errors from everywhere, so I just want to get wine to work
[09:50] <gnomefreak> Mantice: or both
[09:50] <e_machinist> In order to use the Open Source DRI drivers for an ATI card, should the xorg.conf Driver be "ati" or "radeon"? I have seen both used for the DRI drivers.
[09:50] <Mantice> gnomefreak: I was installing beryl but it told me to log out and select XGL session or somthing like that.
[09:51] <Mantice> gnomefreak: I did not update to the latest kernal because I wanted beryl.
[09:51] <Fallen_Angel> Please can someone help me with my ubuntu ? I have a problem with mbstring ! How can i enable Russian Language support in php5 mbstring ??? Using Ubuntu 6.06
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Mantice: you nee dto remove all packages related to xgl compiz beryl
[09:51] <Mantice> gnomefreak: Is there a command ?
[09:52] <mistform> e_machinist, do you use Dapper? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[09:52] <yakumo> dad
[09:52] <yakumo> sori
[09:52] <gnomefreak> Mantice: i dont know what you installed but you can start with synaptic and search for those and remove them
[09:52] <Mantice> gnomefreak: I also did a whole bunch of config file editing, Im not sure how Im going to remove that.
[09:52] <defrysk> anyway the amaranth repo is synconized again with the latest edgy updates
[09:53] <jcrimt> !help
[09:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:53] <gnomefreak> Mantice: the link you got those instructions from just follow it backwards :)
[09:53] <Trist_an> anyone done the update of fglrx?
[09:53] <Mantice> gnomefreak: I found one of them but I cant find that other guide I followed.
[09:54] <Mantice> gnomefreak: Im sure it will be ok.
[09:54] <jcrimt> !rt2500
[09:54] <ubotu> rt2500: configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (edgy), package size 106 kB, installed size 404 kB
[09:54] <e_machinist> Trist_an: Open Source DRI drivers here.
[09:54] <Trist_an> well, I hope there will be no trouble...
[09:57] <tarelerulz> Being able to play songs on my freinds windows computer over the network is not to out there
[09:58] <dope> adf
[09:58] <dope> adfd
[09:58] <jcrimt> !wireless
[09:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:59] <ndee> anyone in here who knows assembler a bit?
[09:59] <boink> on #ubuntu?
[09:59] <ndee> well maybe, who knows :)
[10:05] <MikeDK> be back l8r guys
[10:06] <deep__> helo moto!
[10:08] <sn00p> Does anybody have any experience with microsd  storage with ubuntu? I have a AMD 64 bit turion x2 HP note book that i'm trying to get my microsd drive to work with having no luck
[10:09] <Lathiat> sn00p: "generally speaking" those sorts of things tend not to work
[10:09] <Lathiat> sn00p: some do, most dont, AIUI
[10:16] <Gavrila> hey all, I've got a problem with power management: if I hibernate my laptop with AC plugged in and then resume the session on battery only, it doesn't detect that I'm on battery.... any hint?
[10:16] <aldwin> wassup people
[10:16] <Gavrila> hi aldwin
[10:16] <Gavrila> hey all, I've got a problem with power management: if I hibernate my laptop with AC plugged in and then resume the session on battery only, it doesn't detect that I'm on battery.... any hint?
[10:16] <Gavrila> I'm on Ubuntu edgy
[10:17] <aldwin> is there anyone here who's indept with ubuntu knowledge. im quite a newbie at linux. can anyone help me out?
[10:17] <defrysk> !ask | aldwin
[10:17] <ubotu> aldwin: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:17] <tarelerulz> I can play mpg and wma and wmv with totme-xine ,but I don't have sound  anyone know why or what I might do
[10:17] <aldwin> degrysk, can i chat with you via PM (private message)?
[10:17] <defrysk> aldwin, nope
[10:17] <aldwin> ah okay..
[10:18] <aldwin> degrysky, since im new here. i dont know where to start although i had installed the ubuntu at my second hard disk and it worked
[10:18] <aldwin> degrysky, i happen to have so many question on how to use it and what it differs to other linux.
[10:19] <aldwin> degrysky, by the way im from the philippines and i dont have the money nor the access to buy the ubuntu book. do you happen to have the pdf of that one?
[10:19] <aldwin> is there anyone here who's indept with ubuntu knowledge. im quite a newbie at linux. can anyone help me out?
[10:20] <Lynoure> aldwin: just ask your actual question, and you'll see
[10:20] <aldwin> degrysky, i dont even know the difference with ubuntu xubuntu and edubuntu. what are those.
[10:20] <defrysk> aldwin, just open firefox , the default opening page has links to help you thru the first steps
[10:20] <aldwin> degrysky, so where do i start???
[10:20] <aldwin> degrysky, ah okay. thank you very much
[10:21] <manmadha> Is there any inbuilt software for flash programs...?
[10:21] <aldwin> degrysky, just to add. im using my windows that i hate most since i dont know how to run a mirc at ubuntu.
[10:22] <defrysk> aldwin, sudo apt-get install xchat and use that
[10:22] <aldwin> degrysky, im really lame right now. im so sorry to all you guys...
[10:22] <andry_cute> hai
[10:22] <aldwin> degrysky, i dont even know how to get there.
[10:22] <defrysk> my bad
[10:23] <aldwin> degrysky, but i do believe that soon i'll be an expert user of this linux thing. i have all the will to study :))
[10:23] <aldwin> degrysky, LOL
[10:23] <mandelum> A terrible bug has hit me in edgy!!!
[10:23] <mandelum> probobly in GNOME
[10:23] <mandelum> I am very struck
[10:23] <defrysk> Hobbsee, just smelling, not sure yet
[10:24] <Hobbsee> defrysk: right
[10:24] <boink> c'mon, don't troll here
[10:24] <boink> it's not funny
[10:24] <aldwin> degrysky, the bad thing is that the 6.10 didnt work on my computer thats why i did use the ubuntu 6.06 :(
[10:24] <aldwin> troll??? whats that ???
[10:25] <aldwin> can anyone tell me what does troll suppose to mean?
[10:25] <boink> !troll
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:26] <loutrine> Is xchat much better then gaim for irc usage? Any features which are worth changing for?
[10:26] <mandelum> I by mistake resized the panel to the max, then it logged out, then when it logged in it logged out agian.... Then when I logged in, I just had time to make the panel smaler, but now, when I restarted a couple of times, the sound loops and everything is quite slow, and I get some warnings about some stuff on the panel
[10:26] <boink> loutrine: depends on what you need to do
[10:26] <boink> xchat is only for irc, gaim is for much more
[10:26] <loutrine> boink: Hmm, good question...
[10:26] <mandelum> How could I reset some stuff?
[10:27] <aldwin> degrysky, is sudo a user name?
[10:27] <boink> I use gaim for MSN stuff, while irssi for irc (like now)
[10:27] <Madpilot> loutrine, XChat's channel list is easier to find, it's got a GUI to read a channel's banlist, and it's generally far more flexible &complete for IRC than gaim
[10:27] <loutrine> boink: Is there any reason you don't use gaim for irc as well?
[10:27] <Mantice> I got beryl to boot but now it just is a white screen every thing is white, Heh
[10:28] <boink> loutrine: I prefer irssi since I prefer to do irc on the cli
[10:28] <boink> nerd thing :)
[10:28] <defrysk> aldwin, username ? where did you get that term from being so new at this ?
[10:28] <loutrine> boink: epenis +1 :P?
[10:28] <boink> yeah, suppose so :)
[10:28] <aldwin> * Topic is 'Welcome to the official Ubuntu support channel! | Edgy Is Released!!! http://tinyurl.com/ybflyf Upgrade: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to Pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/'
[10:28] <aldwin> * Set by LjL on Thu Nov 02 23:28:16
[10:28] <aldwin> * Topic is 'Welcome to the official Ubuntu support channel! | Edgy Is Released!!! http://tinyurl.com/ybflyf Upgrade: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to Pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/'
[10:28] <aldwin> * Set by LjL on Thu Nov 02 23:28:16
[10:28] <loutrine> Madpilot: thanks :)
[10:29] <aldwin> sorry
[10:29] <Madpilot> aldwin, easy with the pasting...
[10:29] <aldwin> so sorry...
[10:29] <aldwin> Madpilot, sorry
[10:29] <loutrine> I'll check out xchat and maybe irssi if i'm feeling cool... ;)
[10:29] <Mantice> Madpilot, do you use beryl or know much about it ?
[10:29] <aldwin> (im did try to copy and i wasn't that focus. im so sorry)
[10:29] <Madpilot> Mantice, don't touch it, know zip about it. Sorry!
[10:30] <aldwin> is there a ubuntu pdf???
[10:30] <Mantice> :( Any one know why my beryl boots and then stays on a white screen
[10:30] <aldwin> is there any sort of ubuntu pdf that is with an official release?
[10:30] <loutrine> Mantice: Looked through these http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=beryl+white+screen&btnG=Google+Search&meta= ?
[10:30] <Madpilot> aldwin, of the Desktop Guide, you mean? Yes - check help.ubuntu.com
[10:31] <aldwin> ah, okay.
[10:31] <aldwin> Madpilot, im not using ubuntu right now. cause i really em that lame that i dont know how to use all of it.
[10:31] <aldwin> madpilot, i dont even know how to run the mirc there. im so sorry
[10:32] <Madpilot> aldwin, isn't mirc Windows-only?
[10:32] <boink> well .. where's an op when there's a troll about?
[10:32] <Mantice> I dont know how to update xgl-xserver
[10:32] <loutrine> aldwin: In ubuntu, open a Terminal and type sudo apt-get install xchat. xchat is an irc program similar to mirc which you can use
[10:32] <aldwin> yup i know. but i dont know how to run it
[10:32] <manmadha> Is there any inbuilt software for flash programs...?
[10:32] <BlackBird> I just installed a bunch of new packages with aptitude, and suddenly now I get no graphical login screen. I turn on the computer, load my ubuntu kernel, and it loads into a textual login screen. I have to startx, and then it automatically loads up gnome... however, I want to be able to choose what type of session I log into. If I try to logout, it just brings me back to the non-x console.
[10:32] <Madpilot> boink, which channel is having trouble?
[10:33] <manmadha> like html
[10:33] <aldwin> madpilot, here's how it goes. i tried installing it at my second hard disk and after 2 or three days i manage to make the ubuntu 6.06 run at my computer
[10:33] <loutrine> aldwin: xchat will appear under in Applications -> Internet
[10:33] <aldwin> madpilot, since my computer has this processor of 38. amd2 x2 64 bit. its quite hard to find a running linux at this computer
[10:34] <aldwin> madpilot, so there i was able to install the ubuntu 6.06 like i did said. it was this morning that i had accomplish that.
[10:34] <bimberi> BlackBird: does 'sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start' from the logged in non-x console work?
[10:34] <Madpilot> aldwin, the 32bit Ubuntu should run fine; there is also an AMD64 Ubuntu
[10:34] <BlackBird> idunno.... havent tried that
[10:34] <aldwin> and now its quite late. its noveber 8, 5pm. i just woke up.
[10:35] <aldwin> madpilot, i did try the those believe me. but only the ubuntu 6.06 did work on my computer.
[10:35] <bimberi> BlackBird: it's supposed to start gdm on boot - hopefully an indicative message will be shown
[10:36] <aldwin> madpilot, 6.06 alternative 64bit. thats the one that did run on my computer.
[10:36] <loutrine> aldwin: So you have Ubuntu installed and running now...?
[10:36] <sn00p> Does anybody have any experience with microsd  storage with ubuntu? I have a AMD 64 bit turion x2 HP note book that i'm trying to get my microsd drive to work with having no luck
[10:36] <Madpilot> aldwin, cool
[10:36] <Za1> hi - how do i get my s-video connection to projector working?  I am running Ubuntu 6.06 on Dell Laptop Inspiron 5100.
[10:36] <BlackBird> bimberi: I'll try that... thanks
[10:37] <aldwin> loutrine, yah i have. but since i dont know how to use much of linux software as well as ubuntu as a distribution. i dont even know how to install a yahoo messenger
[10:37] <Mantice> Could some one help me Im new to this it says re install from http://repos.opensuse.org/X11:/XGL/SUSE_Linux_10.1/ how would I go about this
[10:37] <loutrine> aldwin: gaim is a good all round IM program, give that a try.
[10:38] <defrysk> Mantice, try #ubuntu-xgl
[10:38] <Mantice> I have
[10:38] <Mantice> Every one = zzz
[10:38] <Madpilot> aldwin, gaim can do YM, and the help files are at System menu->Help->System Help->Ubuntu Desktop Guide
[10:38] <defrysk> Mantice, xgl that boring ? ;p
[10:39] <Za1> has anyone able to connect to a projector before?
[10:39] <Mantice> defrysk: My beryl is whiting out and I need to fix it because I just spent an hour trying to get this thing working
[10:39] <loutrine> Mantice: I found a really good, easy to follow guide for setting up xgl+beryl under edgy (gnome) if you're interested...
[10:40] <Mantice> Sure, Ive installed beryl though.
[10:40] <Mantice> It boots it just whites out.
[10:40] <BlackBird> hrm.... didnt work
[10:40] <loutrine> Mantice: http://lhansen.blogspot.com/2006/10/3d-desktop-beryl-and-xgl-on-ubuntu-edgy.html
[10:40] <defrysk> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA is the guide I used
[10:41] <defrysk> but beryl is too unstable for usage I think
[10:41] <andry_cute> h
[10:41] <elias_> are the nvidia 9629 dirvers available somewhere already as restricted-modules.deb?
[10:41] <Mantice> I followed that one :( :(
[10:41] <loutrine> defrysk: Mine's running ok :) I had a few problems though... hehe
[10:41] <defrysk> elias_, amaranth's repo has it
[10:42] <Mantice> loutrine: did you get white screen ?
[10:42] <elias_> cool
[10:42] <loutrine> Mantice: I'm typing this to you from it now - works a treat :)
[10:42] <defrysk> elias_, amaranth's is synronized again with the edgy updates
[10:43] <Mantice> loutrine: Was one of the problems you ran into a white screen by any chance, my beryl boots *Finaly* now it just says Beryl and waves around then it whites out.
[10:43] <jaaroo> can I somehow obtain list of packages that are installed which is suitable for "apt-get install". I would like to make copy of my installation.
[10:43] <BlackBird> how would I invoke an icewm or kde session from terminal, or better yet, how would I set up the graphical login screen to autostart after kernel loadup? Right now it just loads into text login, then when I login it automatically starts gnome
[10:44] <loutrine> Mantice: No, sorry. The only problems I experienced were two instances of emerald running & had to fix the annoying shift+backspace feature/bug
[10:44] <elias_> does anybody know if they fixed the turbocache issue which rendered most laptop cards unusable?
[10:44] <Mantice> Does beryl work on the latest kernal loutrine ?
[10:45] <loutrine> Mantice: Running it under Linux edgy 2.6.17-10-generic
[10:46] <Mantice> I got a update saying kernal update on my Dapper
[10:46] <jcrimt> I recently updated my Ubuntu 5.1 which was working perfecty to 6.1. This hangs on the welcome screen by giving a blank cream screen. Even the live CD struggles - it periodically goes blank - cream screen. I used several differnent 6.1 discs with the same result. I have not had to reload 5.1 which works perfectly again. Any ideas?
[10:48] <BlackBird>  how would I invoke an icewm or kde session from terminal, or better yet, how would I set up the graphical login screen to autostart after kernel loadup? Right now it just loads into text login, then when I login it automatically starts gnome
[10:48] <dooglus> jcrimt: first off, you're not supposed to upgrade 5.10 to 6.10 without going to 6.06 in between
[10:48] <opasd> hi,guys
[10:49] <dooglus> jcrimt: (the .10 refers to the month of release - October, and the 5 and 6 are the years)
[10:49] <opasd> i am using router to connect to internet
[10:50] <jcrimt> dooglus - sorry, yes, I was on the most recent release - I updated using the synaptic update - how should I update now ?
[10:50] <loutrine> opasd: Me too :)
[10:50] <dooglus> BlackBird: check which runlevel you are booting into: grep ^id /etc/inittab | cut -d: -f2
[10:51] <opasd> first i unplug the network cable,then i plug it again,how do i connect to internet later?
[10:51] <dooglus> jcrimt: you installed 5.10 and the update-manager offered to upgrade to 'dapper' (6.06)?
[10:51] <opasd> i means by using command
[10:52] <BlackBird> dooglus: it returns "2"
[10:52] <dooglus> opasd: "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0"
[10:52] <jcrimt> yes, I had actually already upgraded to dapper - it was fine - it was the update to edgy that killed me. I have just reinstalled 5.1 (?hoary)
[10:52] <dooglus> BlackBird: right.  that's the default.  check whether you have links in place to run gdm in runlevel 2:  ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[10:52] <opasd> thanks
[10:53] <dooglus> jcrimt: lots of people apparently had trouble upgrading to 6.06.  maybe it's better to stick with 6.06 for now?  I don't know what the official advice is re. upgrading to 6.10 at the moment.
[10:53] <BlackBird> dooglus: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 2006-11-07 18:39 /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm -> ../init.d/gdm
[10:54] <dooglus> BlackBird: the 'S' is for 'start' - ie. it should start gdm (the graphical login thing) automatically when you boot.
[10:54] <jcrimt> Ok thanks - I will have to try and find my  disc. Thans mate
[10:55] <Gavrila> is there any way to make acpi update informations about the current status? I hibernated my laptop while on AC, and resumed it on battery only, but it refuses to detect the battery now.... any hint?
[10:55] <dooglus> BlackBird: what happens if you run "sudo /etc/init.,d/gdm start" after logging in to the console?
[10:55] <dooglus> BlackBird: (without the comma)
[10:56] <BlackBird> dooglus: not sure. lemme check
[10:56] <JohnRobert> where abouts would I put source code for libraries I wanted to compile things against... like instead of downloading a -dev package, where would a normal configure script be looking for source?
[10:56] <defrysk> "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[10:56] <dooglus> Gavrila: just a guess, but how about "sudo /etc/init.d/acpid restart" ?
[10:56] <rsteele> I'll think about it
[10:56] <opasd> i am using firefox now,if i want to upgrade to firefox 2,what should i do?
[10:57] <defrysk> opasd, I would upgrade to edgy then
[10:57] <Gavrila> dooglus, I've already tried that, but no way
[10:57] <scheuri> defrysk: that is...well...not the recommandation which should be easily taken
[10:58] <dooglus> JohnRobert: build the library then use "sudo checkinstall" to install it as a package.  configure looks in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ for a corresponding .pc file
[10:58] <dooglus> Gavrila: what happens?  any error message?  anything in the logs?  (/var/log/*)
[10:58] <JohnRobert> thanks dooglus that's some sound advice
[10:59] <dooglus> JohnRobert: you'll need to install "checkinstall" probably.  it's a lazy-man's way of making packages
[10:59] <JohnRobert> I am quite lazy, so that's useful
[10:59] <defrysk> JohnRobert, packages made by checkinstall are for personal usage only
[10:59] <dooglus> JohnRobert: don't run the "make install" step - "sudo checkinstall" is instead of doing that
[11:00] <Gavrila> dooglus when I restart it the script doesn't return any message, and dmesg says that the battery is not present
[11:01] <dooglus> Gavrila: that's the limit of my knowledge in that area I'm afraid.  my battery died years ago, and I never hibernate...
[11:01] <Gavrila> dooglus, hehe ok thanks
[11:02] <boni> !Sedega
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Sedega - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <dooglus> boni: cedega?
[11:04] <BlackBird> dooglus: nothing. It asked for my password, and then just went back to prompt. I had to run startx to get into a graphical interface, and again, it just loaded gnome
[11:05] <dooglus> BlackBird: I have this in my ~/.Xsession : http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/.Xsession  - I uncomment whichever line at the end corresponds to the desktop environment I want startx to run
[11:05] <djuuss> Hi. My /home is mounted on its own partition, but now it's starting to fill up. How can i mount another partition on a folder inside home? (lets call it /home/djuuss/downloads. /home is on dev/hdd1, the new partition is /dev/hdc2 )
[11:06] <dooglus> BlackBird: was there no output at all from the 'gdm restart' command?
[11:06] <Burnass> does someone now how to fix bad sectors on a USB-stick?
[11:06] <dav1n_> Burnass: tried fsck?
[11:06] <dooglus> djuuss: for a one-off mount, do "sudo mount /dev/hdc2 /home/djuuss/downloads"
[11:06] <BlackBird> dooglus: no. The only indication that anything happened was that it asked for a password.
[11:06] <dooglus> djuuss: if you want it done automatically, edit /etc/fstab - make a copy of the /home line and modify it appropriately
[11:07] <djuuss> did that
[11:07] <dav1n_> dooglus: sudo fsck /dev/whatever
[11:07] <dooglus> BlackBird: see anything written to /var/log/gdm/*?
[11:07] <djuuss> dooglus, added it in both fstab and mtab but it still gives "mount: can't find /home/djuuuss/downloads in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:07] <Burnass> dav:1n that checks if there are bad sectors, and i know there are bad ones (log of mkfs.vat)
[11:07] <Shadowpillar> fsck that hard and long
[11:07] <Shadowpillar> ;)
[11:08] <boni> I am facing a strange problem I changed the mode of my sudoers file from originally 440 to 644 but strangely I dont know nw sudoers is nt visible
[11:08] <Burnass> or can i repaire with fsck
[11:09] <BlackBird> dooglus: just a bunch of warnings then a "cant init" messagej
[11:09] <boni> The freakiest part is tht it says the mode has been changed frm o440 to 0644
[11:09] <dooglus> BlackBird: can you pastebin it?
[11:09] <boni> now how can i revert to the original modes or read write permissions of sudoers
[11:09] <dooglus> djuuss: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab please?
[11:09] <boni> can anyonme help me out??
[11:09] <dav1n_> Burnass: Not sure, try it though.
[11:10] <Burnass> oke i will
[11:10] <djuuss> dooglus: Mistyped djuuss in my sudo mount /home/djuuss/downloads haha, it worked with fstab/mtab entries already
[11:10] <dooglus> boni: sudo chmod 440 /etc/sudoers
[11:10] <dooglus> djuuss: no need to edit /etc/mtab
[11:10] <boni> dooglus: Thats nt happening
[11:10] <boni> the sudo is nt being executed
[11:10] <djuuss> dooglus did both of them, thanks tho
[11:10] <tx22> Hey, I'm using thunderbird for my email but I need to setup the smtp server... does anyone know a free one? Thanks
[11:10] <boni> i tried tht
[11:11] <Burnass> strange now i get no log of bad sectors.
[11:11] <Burnass> fsck 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
[11:11] <Burnass> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[11:11] <Burnass> /dev/sda1: 0 files, 1/244501 clusters
[11:11] <dooglus> boni: sounds like you've broken sudo then.  if you've set a proper root password then "su" to get a root shell, otherwise you're going to have to boot into recovery mode to fix it
[11:12] <dooglus> djuuss: for future reference, you should use "sudo visudo" to edit the sudoers file, rather than editing it 'manually'
[11:12] <dooglus> djuuss: that way you can't break it so easily...
[11:12] <gnomefreak> !mp3 | khajjak
[11:12] <ubotu> khajjak: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:13] <dooglus> um - those last 2 comments were for boni
[11:13] <khajjak> how i play mp3 files in ubuntu?>
[11:13] <khajjak> anyone help me
[11:13] <dooglus> !mp3
[11:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:13] <greenman> hello
[11:13] <greenman> anyone get awstats package to work?
[11:13] <boni> dooglus: Wat do i have to do to fix this problem from recovery mode???
[11:13] <BlackBird> dooglus: that's it...
[11:13] <Burnass> wel it seems that the bad sectors are repaired strage
[11:13] <boni> dooglus: I think I only have to fix the sudoers file
[11:14] <njan> tx22, think about that question for a second ;)
[11:14] <dooglus> boni: what error are you getting when you try to "sudo" at the moment?
[11:14] <njan> tx22, a "free" SMTP server would allow anyone to send e-mail to anyone through it - it's what's called an "open relay"..
[11:14] <Burnass> tnx
[11:14] <boni> I mean the permissions of this sudoers file??
[11:14] <njan> tx22, which is why virtually every SMTP server only allows mail to be sent from whoever the SMTP server is setup for (ie. an ISP's customers)..
[11:14] <jcrimt> Does anyone know how to configure a Canon 250i usb printer?
[11:14] <dooglus> boni: the permissions should be "440"; so "chmod 440 /etc/sudoers; chown root:root /etc/sudoers"
[11:14] <greenman> anyone get awstats package to work?
[11:14] <tx22> njan; I'm not going to be sending junk email.
[11:14] <djuuss> njan: not true, a large portion SMTP servers are setup 'free', thats where you've been getting all that junk email from
[11:15] <njan> djuuss, let me rephrase.. virtually every *legitimate* SMTP server.. ;)
[11:15] <boni> dooglus: I did sudo chmod 440 /etc/passwd
[11:15] <djuuss> njan, you'd be surprised
[11:15] <dooglus> BlackBird: what's it?
[11:15] <boni> it gives
[11:15] <boni> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0644, should be 0440
[11:16] <BlackBird> dooglus: I posted that log to a pm... u got pm's blocked or something?
[11:16] <greenman> Anyone get awstats package to work?
[11:16] <dooglus> boni: right.  sudo refuses to run because the permissions are wrong on sudoers.  and to fix them, you need to use sudo...  it's a catch 22 situation.  so boot into recovery mode - then you'll be root, and can 'chmod' the file without using sudo
[11:16] <njan> djuuss, no, I know, it's quite common. But still. It's generally done accidentally or through ignorance rather than because the server's specifically free for open use.
[11:16] <dooglus> BlackBird: freenode doesn't allow pms if you're not registered with nickserv
[11:16] <jcrimt> !canon 250i
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about canon 250i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <dooglus> BlackBird: "/msg nickserv register pa$$word"
[11:17] <BlackBird> dooglus: ah ok.
[11:17] <djuuss> njan i'll give you that :D i think lazyness also plays a very big part here
[11:17] <njan> tx22, you're not, but everyone else using that server probably is, which means it'll probably not stay online long, be slow, and have your mail dropped by spam filters, because the server you send through will be listed on one of the (many) realtime blocklists.
[11:17] <jcrimt> ! printer canon 250i
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about printer canon 250i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <tx22> ok
[11:17] <njan> tx22, the best solution is to use an authenticated SMTP server, or one provided by your ISP or what have you.
[11:18] <tx22> njan:  i tried that, i use pipex, but it doesn't seem to work
[11:18] <Aachron> --am I in the right place to ask if there is a task sceduler?
[11:18] <njan> tx22, define: doesn't seem to work
[11:18] <njan> Aachron, cron
[11:19] <tx22> njan:  well, i use smtp.pipex.net/com and it doesn't send
[11:19] <greenman> Can someone help me?  I need awstats to work.  I can't find any help
[11:19] <greenman> there is no man file
[11:19] <snowshoe1ox> Are there any IDEs that support a broadrange of programming languages such as bash, perl, c, c++, upstart script ?
[11:20] <tx22> njan:  ok ignore me, lol, I done a search on google and it was "smtp.dial.pipex.com"
[11:20] <jcrimt> ! usb printer
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb printer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <greenman> ! awstats
[11:20] <ubotu> awstats: powerful and featureful web server log analyzer. In component main, is optional. Version 6.5-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 834 kB, installed size 4644 kB
[11:20] <greenman> arg!
[11:20] <njan> tx22, :)
[11:20] <khajjak> which player i need to play mp3 files in ubuntu?
[11:20] <CarinArr> !mp3
[11:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:20] <snowshoe1ox> !ide
[11:20] <defrysk> !players
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:21] <dooglus> khajjak: beep-media-player is a nice simple gui mp3 player
[11:21] <snowshoe1ox> !developer environment
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about developer environment - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <snowshoe1ox> !anjuta
[11:21] <ubotu> anjuta: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1494 kB, installed size 3760 kB
[11:21] <CarinArr> khajjak, once you've got the mp3 codecs installed, amarok is very nice
[11:21] <snowshoe1ox> !activestate
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about activestate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <CarinArr> kdevelop is a lot nicer than anjuta
[11:21] <greenman> Can someone PLEASE help me?
[11:21] <CarinArr> but none of them cover that vast a range of languages
[11:21] <defrysk> !ask | greenman
[11:21] <ubotu> greenman: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:22] <CarinArr> he did ask his question
[11:22] <snowshoe1ox> ok, tx
[11:22] <greenman> defrysk: I've asked my question three timeds
[11:22] <CarinArr> he can't get awstats to work
[11:22] <dooglus> greenman: point your web browser at file:///usr/share/doc/awstats/html/awstats_setup.html
[11:22] <defrysk> greenman, sorry , missed that :s
[11:23] <greenman> dooglus: will that explain how to setup the package?
[11:23] <dooglus> greenman: or file:///usr/share/doc/awstats/html/index.html for the index of the awstats docs
[11:23] <dooglus> greenman: I don't know, but that's where you can find the awstats documentation, apparently.  I've never installed it
[11:24] <dooglus> greenman: see also /etc/awstats/awstats.conf and /etc/awstats/awstats.conf.local
[11:24] <kdt> dooglus: when I try to pm the contents of that log, it overflows and kicks me
[11:24] <Aachron> --am I in the right place to ask if there is a task sceduler? what did you mean by cron, njan
[11:24] <greenman> dooglus: i didn't find any help in there
[11:24] <dooglus> kdt, use a pastebin:
[11:25] <dooglus> !paste
[11:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:25] <kdt> ah
[11:25] <kdt> thanks
[11:27] <dooglus> Aachron: 'cron' is the linux task scheduler.  "man 5 crontab" will give the gory details; or if you can tell me what you want, I'll tell you how to do it
[11:27] <kdt> dooglus: ok there it is
[11:27] <njan> Aachron, like dooglus, cron is what linux and unix use to run tasks at specific times in a similar way to the task scheduler in windows.
[11:27] <njan> s/like dooglus/like dooglus says/
[11:28] <njan> Aachron, there are a number of different "cron" packages, but they all work in basically the same way, you can either read the man page or google cron online to find out more..
[11:28] <roadboy> hi guys
[11:29] <roadboy> anyone have configuration example for shaper?
[11:29] <dooglus> Aachron: anacron is good if you want to make sure something gets run every day - it makes sure the job gets run even if the PC isn't on at the same time each day
[11:29] <Aachron> thank-you
[11:30] <ekimus> hello, a question to the bind gurus: i have example.net and example.com - example.net is running fine with all RR records set, now I'm searching for an easy way so that $HOSTNAME.example.com will resolve to $HOSTNAME.example.net, so that I only need to update my example.net zone file and everything is fine
[11:30] <dooglus> greenman, do you see stuff at file:///usr/share/doc/awstats/html/awstats_setup.html ?  I see lots of help there
[11:31] <greenman> dooglus: I'm not finding anything about installing from apt-get install
[11:31] <greenman> dooglus: I found the awstats_configure.pl
[11:31] <dooglus> greenman: you install it like: "sudo apt-get install awstats"
[11:31] <greenman> but it won't run
[11:31] <greenman> I can't find the files it needs
[11:31] <dooglus> greenman: it gets run automatically periodically by cron
[11:31] <greenman> dooglus: I've done that
[11:32] <greenman> dooglus: I can't set it up because when I run awstats_configure.pl it errors out.
[11:32] <greenman> it can't find the files that it appends to the apache config
[11:32] <greenman> the "stuff" that makes awstats work
[11:33] <greenman> i "located" it and couldn't find anything
[11:33] <dooglus> greenman: I see.  let me try...
[11:33] <greenman> k
[11:33] <greenman> thanks
[11:35] <roadboy> anyone have configuration example for shaper package?
[11:37] <dooglus> greenman: looks like /usr/share/doc/awstats/README.Debian tells you how to set it up for ubuntu
[11:38] <greenman> dooglus: hmm... i didn't see what to do in there
[11:39] <dooglus> roadboy: did you see /usr/share/doc/shaper/README.shaper.gz
[11:39] <greenman> dooglus: that looks like just what to do if you encounter those problems
[11:40] <SurfnKid> how can i change the mac on my adapter
[11:40] <SurfnKid> and then embedd it
[11:40] <SurfnKid> macchange doesnt do it
[11:40] <BelialMkII> you could use ifconfig and pop it in one of the network scripts
[11:41] <roadboy> dooglus, yes but my english is not enough to understand it :(
[11:41] <greenman> screw it, I gotta go to bed.  I've been up over 24 hours
[11:41] <greenman> Thanks for the help dooglus
[11:42] <cccharles> I need help with a basic postfix config. anybody have time?
[11:43] <daurnimator> hi all
[11:43] <scheuri> j #postfix
[11:43] <pip> !hiweed
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hiweed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <pip> !hiweed
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hiweed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <scheuri> cccharles: maybe #postfix is a better place to ask your question
[11:43] <cccharles> kk
[11:45] <pip> ubuntu, Hi