[02:11] <ttoti> Hey guys :)
[02:47] <Doug__> I am trying to get my Webcam to work. Does anyone have suggestions on a program or pathway to get it to work?
[02:49] <duanedesign> the best application to test your webcam is cheese
[02:50] <duanedesign> it is a bare bones app so you can make sure whether it is the setup or skype for example that is not working
[02:50] <duanedesign> Doug__: is it a built in webcan
[02:52] <Doug__> it is a stand alone web cam
[02:52] <duanedesign> do you know the brand/model
[02:53] <Doug__> Phillips webcam spc1000NC
[02:53] <Doug__> ill try cheese here in a second
[02:55] <Doug__> I downloaded it but the program wont launch
[02:55]  * duanedesign looking
[02:57] <duanedesign> Doug__: the driver, i think, should already be loaded
[02:57] <Doug__> No cheese loaded
[02:57] <Doug__> it was for download
[02:57] <Doug__> program wont launch
[02:59] <duanedesign> it looks like it uses the uvcvideo driver
[03:02] <duanedesign> i am looking where to get the latest
[03:03] <duanedesign> looks like this is the website
[03:03] <duanedesign> http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/
[03:06] <duanedesign> acording to that page the camera is supported by the Linux UVC driver
[03:09] <duanedesign> it says that driver is installed in all kernels greater then 2.6
[03:10] <Doug__> umm
[03:11] <Doug__> I ran the comannd in terminal and it said it needed a password
[03:12] <duanedesign> use your login password
[03:12] <duanedesign> if you run the command:   lspci -k
[03:13] <duanedesign> in a Terminal it should show your webcan and what driver, if any, it is using
[03:15] <Doug__> It doesnt show a web cam
[03:15] <Doug__> ait doesnt give me the option to sign on
[03:15] <Doug__> Do I have to do that first
[03:15] <duanedesign> Doug__: hmm, sorry it does not look like it will show up, my bad
[03:15] <duanedesign> lsusb
[03:16] <duanedesign> that will show if it is being recognized
[03:16] <Doug__> it sees it on that command
[03:16] <duanedesign> ok
[03:19] <duanedesign> Doug__: might try:   gstreamer-properties
[03:19] <duanedesign> then select audio tab and try some of the settings
[03:20] <Doug__> I got it to download git
[03:20] <duanedesign> if you run gstreamer-properties. The bottom secion Video Input. Try a different setting and click test to test each option
[03:21] <Doug__> where do I enter that command
[03:22] <Doug__> terminal
[03:22] <duanedesign> sorry, yres
[03:22] <duanedesign> yes*
[03:22] <duanedesign> gstreamer-properties > Video Tab > Video Input
[03:23] <duanedesign> there is a test button to try each setting.
[03:24] <Doug__> that worked
[03:25] <duanedesign> awesome
[03:26] <duanedesign> hopefully :) those settings get saves and cheese should now work
[03:26] <Doug__> no
[03:26] <Doug__> but closer
[03:30] <dougl_> It saved the setting
[03:30] <duanedesign> nice
[03:33] <dougl_> success
[03:33] <dougl_> I got kamerka to work
[03:35] <duanedesign> \o/
[03:35] <dougl_> 1000 karma points for ya
[03:36] <dougl_> ty again... im off to do other homework
[05:17] <r4y> Hello
[05:19] <r4y> I was using the number 0 from the right as a keybaord shortcut but now it will not work. I noticed that it highlights with the mouse after I tap the 0 from the right like that of holding down the left mouse button for highlighting
[05:20] <r4y> Never mind I got it
[05:22] <r4y> System, preferences, keyboard, from the tab mouse keys I unchecked pointer can be controlled using the keypad
[05:23] <r4y> It must have been when I was messing around with trying to use the keyboard instead of the mouse so I could play video games from my bed, lol
[05:23] <r4y> Which was months ago though
[05:24] <r4y> Since then the motherboard I was using that had s-video doesn't work right so I am using a different motherboard
[05:26] <r4y> I was able to use the keyboard for navigating the desktop sort of OK, but I never got to the point were I used the numpad in place of the mouse but I was happy with what I was able to do using the keyboard in place of the mouse so
[05:26] <r4y> Anyways, take acare bye
[05:36] <cerebrate> hello :)
[10:11] <yown> What program do you recommend for making a USB live, for ubuntu and off ubuntu.
[10:13] <geirha> yown: Have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ?
[10:13] <yown> It says "At least 3-5 GB of free space " do they mean on the USB flash drive in question? On the partition the OS is on?
[10:14] <geirha> No, on the system where you want to modify it.
[10:15] <yown> I don't follow what you mean, and that link doesn't seem to talk about USB
[10:16] <yown> Also, major long and complicated
[10:16] <geirha> Oh sorry, I think I misread your question
[10:17] <geirha> There's instructions on the download page on how to put the iso on a usb
[10:17] <geirha> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[10:18] <geirha> "How to create bootable USB stick >"
[10:21] <yown> How does Live Linux USB Creator compare to unetbootin?
[10:22] <yown> Also, all these links I keep chasing down, bring me to windows based installation, rather then ubuntu based
[10:25] <yown> geirha: ?
[10:26] <geirha> yown: There are three such links in the page I gave you. First one's for windows, the other two for osx and ubuntu
[10:26] <geirha> I haven't really tried with different programs myself, I just use the one that comes with ubuntu
[10:28] <yown> why does it recommend 32 bit?
[10:29] <yown> over 64bit
[10:30] <yown> geirha: And how can I write 1's or 0's to a partition?
[10:35] <geirha> Not sure, I just pick the 64-bit version.
[10:35] <geirha> write 1s or 0s to a partition?
[10:36] <geirha> you want to wipe it?
[10:36] <yown> You know fill, write over, yes
[10:36] <geirha> You can use the shred command for that
[10:36] <yown> I want to wipe before installing live
[10:36] <geirha> oh, then you just want to remove the partition.
[10:37] <yown> shred writes 1's or 0's to a partition?
[10:37] <geirha> You can do that from the installer
[10:37] <geirha> yown: By default it writes random bytes to it 3 times or so, then a final run with only zeros
[10:37] <geirha> Mainly meant to avoid anyone being able to retrieve whatever sensistive information it had before
[10:38] <yown> Can that be used to target a specific partition only, rather then a whole drive?
[10:38] <geirha> yes
[10:38] <yown> Well this flash drive I got from a fellow that, well I just don't want to chance some weird shit underneath surfacing some day
[10:40] <yown> geirha: So I type shred in a terminal, then drop the address of the location I wish it to shred?
[10:56] <geirha> more or less. Best read the manual first. man shred
[11:04] <yown> geirha: Those manual files aren't very useful, this one is no exception
[11:05] <geirha> manual pages are always useful, in that you get an overview of what the command does
[11:06] <geirha> The synopsis says  shred [OPTION]... FILE...  which means it must be run with with at least one argument; a filename.
[11:09] <yown> Geirha, so could I type shred in terminal, then drop a link to that which I want to shred into the terminal?
[11:10] <geirha> drop a link?
[11:11] <yown> You know, graphically dropping the folder/icon representing the partition/address of that I wish to shred, onto terminal
[11:12] <geirha> a folder won't work, no
[11:12] <geirha> you need to give the actual device node, and you should make sure it's not mounted
[11:13] <yown> So I could drop said partition icon to terminal to create a address after "shred" for shreding that partition?
[11:13] <yown> geirha: as long as it isn't mounted?
[11:15] <geirha> I don't know what dropping the partition icon will produce, but that might work
[11:20] <yown> geirha: hmm, the usb flash drive didn't have a unmount option, I tried eject, but then it vanished from my list
[11:21] <geirha> phusically unplug it, then plug it back in
[11:22] <geirha> when it's mounted, run just "mount" in a terminal. The last line should be the mount for that usb partition
[11:23] <yown> geirha: didn't you say to unmount it before shreding it?
[11:24] <geirha> yes
[11:24] <geirha> this is to find the device name
[11:25] <yown> but I need it mounted, to shred it, right?
[11:25] <yown> geirha:
[11:26] <geirha> no, you need it unmounted, but not ejected
[11:27] <yown> geirha: Would that be "safely remove" option then? What would happen if you tried to do it while it was mounted?
[11:28] <geirha> yown: it would work, but the mount would be messed up, and there's a risk it could rewrite parts of the data it previously contained, though that's slim. It's mainly to avoid getting a messed up mount
[11:29] <geirha> The mount will lose the filesystem from under its feet
[11:29] <yown> geirha: is "safely remove" unmounting?
[11:29] <geirha> not sure. Try it.
[11:29] <geirha> If it does the same as eject, the device node will disappear
[11:31] <yown> geirha: It disappeared with a really funky error "Could not display "computer:///"." " Error: Location is already mounted. Please select another viewer and try again"
[11:31] <yown> geirha: How do I unmount a USB flash drive?
[11:32] <geirha> umount devicenodehere
[11:32] <geirha> There should be an unmount option in the gui as well, but I can't check at the moment.
[11:33] <yown> geirha: is "/dev/sdb1" the devicenode?  Or "/media/BDE7-02CE"?
[11:33] <geirha> /dev/sdb1
[11:33] <yown> not for the flash drive, just for the HDD
[11:33] <geirha> you can pass either to the umount command though
[11:34] <geirha> /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on the disk /dev/sdb
[11:34] <geirha> based on the mount-point, The /dev/sdb1 partition most likely has a FAT or NTFS filesystem.
[11:34] <yown> geirha: When i ran that unmount command, it disappeared from the list
[11:35] <geirha> but   ls -l /dev/sdb1   in the terminal still shows it, right?
[11:35] <yown> geirha: ls: cannot access /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory
[11:41] <geirha> hum, that's odd
[11:42] <yown> geirha: When you run "mount" how do you know which listing is the USB?
[11:44] <geirha> the last one listed is the last one mounted, but in general I just know what to look for
[11:44] <geirha> another way is to run df on the mount-point. e.g.   df /media/BDE7-02CE/
[11:45] <geirha> or use the mountpoint command
[11:46] <geirha> err, or not, forget the mountpoint command.
[11:49] <yown> hmm, seems mount doesn't see it
[11:52] <yown> geirha: Weird thing is, the drives light is on, unlike when I eject it
[11:52] <geirha> Do you see it with    sudo fdisk -l   ?
[11:52] <geirha> That lists all disks, and their partitions
[11:52] <yown> That won't fdisk anything I take it? :p
[11:54] <geirha> Good question. Yet another reason to use man.  man fdisk
[12:09] <yown> geirha: You are the one that said I should run a fdisk command, and I told you those mans are horrible, really horribly written
[12:09] <yown> information is anything but concise, and not at all in simple english
[12:10] <yown> Also, not sure that it is complete either
[12:11] <geirha> Well, my point was, if someone tells you to run some command you're not sure what does, you should double check with the manual that it doesn't do anything bad
[12:11] <geirha> I know I can be trusted, but how would you know I could be trusted?
[12:20] <yown> geirha: No profit for you in screwing me over?
[12:20] <yown> Anyway, I tell you, those man files are nearly pointless
[12:20] <geirha> Maybe I need your computer for my world-domination-botnet? ;)
[12:22] <geirha> Well, you'll just have to trust me then :)
[12:23] <yown> geirha: Anyway, it seems the USB flash isn't seen by system, how important exactly is it for it to be unmounted? What is worst case scenario?
[12:24] <yown> since I can't seem to unmount but keep in seen, for the life of me
[17:51] <cerebrate> shmitson where blitson
[18:53] <cerebrate> i need to set my startup sequence to disable my touchpad
[18:53] <cerebrate> it interferes with my typing and i have a mouse to use
[20:42] <Guest90967> hello
[20:42] <Guest90967> ???????????
[20:50] <coolroot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5564842/ it's my laptops distro in a serious messed up :(
[21:52] <l43lkr0l> Hi, is there any way to change system language?
[21:53] <l43lkr0l> It's hard to get help on english IRC while using non-english language for the system. Just can't properly describe messages I see, because I don't exactly know how they sound in english.
[22:38] <yown> Anyone here?


[11:41] <Eightynine> Hi. How can I get rid of tearing? I'm using HD 530 graphics. Enabling Compton didn't help.
[19:40] <ohemdevin> g'day all
[19:42] <ohemdevin> I got Xubuntu 16.04 installed on an old computer (designed to run Vista, hah) that has a dual-core processor and less than 1GB of RAM installed.
[19:58] <xubuntu_> hola....
[19:58] <xubuntu_> ando aburrido....
[19:59]  * ball waves
[19:59] <xubuntu_> estoy probando raring ringtail....
[19:59] <Pici> !raring
[20:00] <xubuntu_> ah ok, si entiendo que es end of life....
[20:05] <ball> Can a Xubuntu ISO be dumped onto a flash drive and booted from on a PC?
[20:05] <ball> (I'm looking at amd64, though I may end up using i386)
[20:06] <Pici> sure
[20:07] <ball> Thanks Pici
[20:10] <xubuntu_> solamente una pregunta...
[20:11] <Pici> !es
[20:11] <xubuntu_> gracias....
[20:11] <xubuntu_> bueno, me retiro....
[20:13] <ball> You done scared him off!
[20:14] <ball> Oh no, he or she went to #xubuntu-es
[20:40] <ball> Are the system requirements any lighter for i386?
[20:52] <ohemdevin> I've heard that requirements are lighter for i386 machines, don't have evidence to back that claim up.
[20:52] <ohemdevin> I'm running Xubuntu 16.04 on a 32-bit machine though..
[20:53] <ohemdevin> This machine is on the lower end of the hardware spectrum (only 1GB of RAM), but it's quite snappy with XFCE. :D
[20:53] <ball> Hmm... ok.
[20:54] <ohemdevin> http://i.imgur.com/uNl4jii.png
[20:55] <ohemdevin> I don't do any serious work on this machine. I just use it for web browsing and spreadsheets.
[20:58]  * ball nods
[20:58] <ball> My test rigs are even lower-end than that, though I have some more capable boxes sitting idle in storage,.
[20:59] <ohemdevin> Oh wow... at least there's always LXDE, i3, Openbox, etc..
[21:00] <ohemdevin> I do think XFCE is a lot more appealing to look at than LXDE, but Openbox can be made into something quite nice to look at.
[21:00] <ohemdevin> I think once LXQt replaces LXDE, that might be something work using. :P
[21:01] <ohemdevin> Dunno if the tests are true or not, but the LXQt devs checked how much RAM the DE used and it was actually using less mem than XFCE..
[21:02] <ohemdevin> https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/
[21:03] <ohemdevin> I found it interesting that Cinnamon actually uses more RAM than GNOME 3 in that test..
[21:13] <gr1dl0ck> i've tried debian with some of those DE's and found it to be feelin incomplete from a proper get go DE. I just keep running back to xubuntu/linuxlite.
[21:14] <gr1dl0ck> the only debian that came close is the MXlinux
[21:14] <ohemdevin> I tried out SparkyLinux... it's okay.
[21:15] <ohemdevin> It was good for reviving an old laptop with an Atom CPU.
[21:15] <ohemdevin> ..that was originally running Windows XP on it.
[21:15] <ohemdevin> Even THAT took forever to boot... SparkyLinux on the other hand? It took less than a minute.
[21:15] <ohemdevin> To be on the desktop!
[21:16] <ohemdevin> I don't really like tiling wms btw... XFCE is a great DE that takes a very short amount of time to customize.
[21:17] <ohemdevin> I keep getting tempted to try out tiling wms because of r/unixporn, but ehhh
[21:43] <prtg02> hi all :)
[21:43] <prtg02> I just installed openbox on my machine from a server version of ubuntu only
[21:43] <prtg02> how can I start openbox, simply typing "startx" does not do the trick
[21:46] <ohemdevin> This might be a good question to ask in #ubuntu, but I will try my hands at some Google-Fu for you.
[21:47] <ohemdevin> http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started#Starting_Openbox_without_the_graphical_log_in
[21:47] <ohemdevin> This wasn't recently updated, but it might still work for you!
[21:48] <prtg02> yup, was trying to login to ubuntu but got into ubuntu-unregged
[21:48] <prtg02> aka, to many users
[21:49] <prtg02> I tried that command too from ur page, but got an error
[21:49] <prtg02> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2259345
[21:49] <ohemdevin> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/openbox
[21:49] <ohemdevin> Arch Wiki to the rescue
[22:02] <prtg02> got it working now, required some fucking around but anyway it works
[22:03] <ohemdevin> That's good. I didn't think Openbox was that hard to set up on Ubuntu... then again, I've never tried the server distribution... does it only come with Unity or just a plain 'ol CLI?
[22:09] <prtg02> server edition is just CLI, its not really hard, I just never used openbox and I am not that familiar with the whole xorg thing
[22:34] <ball> Does Xubuntu support (and boot from) software RAID-1?
[22:34] <prtg02> ball: absolutely
[22:35] <prtg02> xubuntu is just an desktop environment nothing more, ubuntu with the kernel is what makes the hardware work. ubuntu supports RAID-1 and thus it will all work
[22:35] <ball> Thanks prtg02.  Does the installer make that straightforward or is there some jiggery-pokery involved?
[22:35] <prtg02> ball: not sure on that one, never used RAID-1 with the installer like that
[22:37] <ball> Still, it's useful information. Thank you.
[22:38] <prtg02> :) no problem
[22:41]  * ball waits patiently for the Xubuntu DVD to burn.
[22:56] <ball> Oh dear. Xubuntu (and perhaps Linux generally) won't work on my 32-bit test rig.
[22:56] <ball> ...and I don't have time to try the 64-bit one.
[22:56] <ball> Perhaps tomorrow.
[22:57] <ohemdevin> Is your computer using the 64-bit or 32-bit architecture? I think things will work better if you install the OS accordingly. Also, do you know if your computer has AMD, Intel, or Nvidia graphics?


[09:51] <snd> Eickmeyer: heya, sorry for the late reply. just uploaded the new lsp-plugins to NEW tho because it provides a new CLAP package. and also i uploaded robtk to NEW so it will be a dependency soon for x42-plugins and others
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> snd: I just saw those uploads come across. Awesome.
[17:18] <snd> :)


[17:26] <noah123> iuza: I am not using Kubuntu
[17:26] <Amm0n> kokut, and if you don't want it permanent don't blacklist it :)
[17:26] <noah123> I'm trying to install it, as I said
[17:26] <iuza> noah123: what do you mean ?
[17:27] <iuza> noah123: try to install , if you get stucked  try the commands i gave you
[17:30] <hseg> Hi. I'm trying to debug a program using GDB, but whenever I tell GDB to run my program, it opens a shell instead.
[17:31] <Amm0n> kokut, maybe its uvcvideo.. depends on your cam.. try sudo modinfo uvcvideo to see if its in use
[17:31] <hseg> Any ideas why?
[17:34] <kokut> Amm0n: i opened cheese and it shows 1
[17:34] <kokut> Amm0n: might be that one
[17:35] <kokut> Amm0n: so how do i load it/unload it?
[17:36] <Amm0n> kokut, i told you^ sudo modprobe -r uvcvideo to unload, sudo modprobe uvcvideo to load
[17:38] <Amm0n> kokut, read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Loadable_Modules
[17:39] <kokut> Amm0n: wow man it worked
[17:39] <kokut> Amm0n: i owe u
[17:39] <kokut> ty
[17:39] <Amm0n> yw
[17:39] <noahmg123> I want to chroot into my secondary linux instalation from my primary (I am triple booted with them and windows)
[17:40] <EriC^^> !chroot
[17:40] <noah123> k1l_: is extended partition same as Partition Table?
[17:41] <k1l_> noah123: no
[17:41] <k1l_> partition table is the list where its written which partition starts where and such.
[17:41] <noah123> k1l_: how do I create an extended partition?
[17:42] <k1l_> noah123: what program do you use right now? gparted?
[17:42] <noah123> k1l_: Windows partition manager...
[17:43] <hseg> Hi. I'm trying to debug a program using GDB, but whenever I tell GDB to run my program, it opens a shell instead.
[17:43] <noahmg123> EriC^^: Simply, what would be the best way to run a terminal and make it think it is in the other installation when it it in this one?
[17:43] <k1l_> noah123: well, i dont think you can make the ubuntu partitions with that. what about you boot up a live-usb/dvd ubuntu for that task?
[17:44] <k1l_> noahmg123: its called "chroot"
[17:44] <EriC^^> noahmg123, mount the partitions of the installation one by one and then mount the virtual filesystems and chroot
[17:44] <noah123> Can't do that, I want to keep my USB fresh k1l_
[17:44] <noahmg123> I have mounted the partiton of the install (only one). how do I do the next two steps?
[17:45] <k1l_> noah123: well, you need to have a live usb/dvd to isntall ubuntu anyway
[17:45] <noah123> Yes I have k1l_
[17:45] <troulouliou_dev> hi i m looking for an ubuntu compatible laptop with a fingerprint reader and 4k 15.4 glossy screen; any suggestion ?
[17:45] <noah123> But I want to keep it fresh from programs
[17:46] <EriC^^> noahmg123, type for i in /dev /dev/pts /sys /proc /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done (replace /mnt with where ever you mounted your installation)
[17:46] <noah123> EriC^^: I'm on Windows
[17:46] <noah123> I want to create an extended partition there
[17:46] <EriC^^> noah123, not you :)
[17:46] <k1l_> noah123: we dont need to install programs. the partition program is included on that live usb
[17:46] <noah123> Oh
[17:46] <noahmg123> what do you mean by "for i in /dev /dev/pts /sys /proc /run"
[17:46] <k1l_> noah123: and noahmg123 are very similar nicks :)
[17:46] <noah123> Oh ok k1l_
[17:47] <EriC^^> noahmg123, it's a command to run in a terminal
[17:47] <noahmg123> ok
[17:47] <noah123> Will it work even if nothing is saved using a Live USB? k1l_
[17:47] <noahmg123> EriC^^: that verbatim?
[17:47] <EriC^^> yes for i ... til ; done
[17:47] <noahmg123> EriC^^: do I need to be in a cetain folder?
[17:47] <EriC^^> no
[17:48] <noahmg123> thx
[17:48] <noahmg123> EriC^^: gave me a new prompt
[17:48] <noahmg123> with just >
[17:49] <k1l_> noah123: yes. but if you are on windows right now, you can use the windows program to shrink the windows partition to make enough room for ubuntu, if you did not already do that
[17:49] <EriC^^> noahmg123, probably a typo somewhere
[17:49] <soahccc> I have no ideas whether this makes sense but can you emulate SAT>IP resp. IPTV? I have an application which only understands SAT>IP but I want to use it with normal rtmp streams. I was unable to find anything suitable, basically I want to emulate a SAT>IP signal
[17:49] <noah123> How much in GB k1l_ ?
[17:49] <noahmg123> for i in /dev /dev/pts /sys /proc /run is what I ran
[17:50] <EriC^^> noahmg123, you need to run the whole thing :)
[17:50] <noahmg123> so the sudo
[17:50] <EriC^^> noahmg123, for i in /dev /dev/pts /sys /proc /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[17:50] <k1l_> noah123: the system needs fro 5 to 15GB (depends on how much programs you want to install). then add the amount of GB you want to store for user data like photos, downloads, music, etc.
[17:51] <EriC^^> noahmg123, the whole line, they aren't separate commands
[17:52] <EriC^^> noahmg123, where did you mount your installation btw?
[17:52] <k1l_> noahmg123: that is called a "one liner". its a short algorhythm like a small program that will run several commands  and is more easier to copy and paste than the 6 lines of commands you will need to copy and paste if you seperate them
[17:54] <ogfksmrk> Eric^^: my computer crashed
[17:55] <EriC^^> ogfksmrk, ok
[17:55] <ogfksmrk> EriC^^ rebooting it now
[17:56] <noahmg123> EriC^^: back
[17:56] <EriC^^> wb
[17:58] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: srry, got disconnected Can you resend the command?
[17:58] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, for i in /dev /dev/pts /sys /proc /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[17:58] <EriC^^> mount your installation at /mnt first
[17:59] <noahmg123_> it's mounted at /media/noah/... is that ok?
[17:59] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, you'd have to type that in the for i.. command instead of /mnt
[18:00] <noahmg123_> ok
[18:00] <noahmg123_> just at that one point right?
[18:01] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:01] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Good
[18:01] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Now is it in?
[18:01] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, did you run the command?
[18:01] <noahmg123_> yes
[18:01] <brycetd19m> Just went to install ubuntu again and am unable to create partitions from the installer.
[18:01] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo chroot /media/.....
[18:02] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Yay it works!
[18:02] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, on your machine if you want you can type xhost +local:
[18:02] <EriC^^> and then in your chroot type export DISPLAY=:0
[18:03] <EriC^^> that will let you run graphical programs from your chroot in your current xserver
[18:03] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Well both installs are on the same computer so....
[18:03] <EriC^^> anyways if you ever need to :P
[18:04] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: how would I do what you said?
[18:04] <brycetd19m> How large should I make the swap 25gb??
[18:04] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, open a terminal and type xhost +local:
[18:05] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: could I for my current machine?
[18:05] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, and in your chroot terminal type export DISPLAY=:0
[18:05] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, yeah
[18:05] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Got it
[18:05] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, then if you type in your chroot <name of graphical app> it should launch
[18:06] <noahmg123_> EriC^^:  xhost:  bad hostname "local"
[18:06] <EriC^^> did you type xhost +local:
[18:06] <EriC^^> ?
[18:06] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: forgot the colon
[18:07] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: type export DISPLAY=:0 did not work
[18:07] <noahmg123_> oops
[18:07] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, you typed type? :P
[18:07] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: :P OK
[18:08] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: so if I type gedit, it won't work, but if I type chroot gedit it will?
[18:08] <EriC^^> no, just gedit
[18:09] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: then what was the "chroot <name of graphical app>" for?
[18:09] <noahmg123_> in you chroot
[18:09] <noahmg123_> nevermind
[18:09] <noahmg123_> :PPPPPPP
[18:09] <EriC^^> hehe
[18:10] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Thank you!
[18:10] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, no problem!
[18:10] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Bye!
[18:12] <brycetd19m> Why is ubuntu soooooo damn blury it's unreadable.
[18:13] <daftykins> brycetd19m: must be your setup, never seen issues
[18:13] <daftykins> believe it or not of the millions of users i think they'd have noticed such a glaring problem :)
[18:22] <brycetd19m> Okay here's a screen shot http://m.imgur.com/7fQTtJB
[18:23] <daftykins> brycetd19m: looks perfect, but that's 1024x768 - i doubt in 2015 you're using that as a desktop resolution
[18:23] <daftykins> thus you must have your display configured incorrectly
[18:24] <brycetd19m> Not really no. I have 2 screens connected and one runs at 1440x900 and one is a Samsung 42 inch TV.
[18:24] <daftykins> brycetd19m: yeah so no wonder it's looking blurry :) is this a live session or a clean installation?
[18:25] <daftykins> be nice if you could reply quicker
[18:26] <brycetd19m> Clean install only options are 1024x768 and 800x600
[18:27] <daftykins> brycetd19m: what graphics hardware? what version? what graphics driver?
[18:27] <daftykins> (version of ubuntu)
[18:28] <brycetd19m> Gtx750 2gb and ubuntu 14.04 unsure on drivers as of yet
[18:28] <daftykins> brycetd19m: 750 Ti? or vanilla
[18:28] <daftykins> desktop system?
[18:30] <brycetd19m> Guessing a ti but not completely sure it's an Asus card so it's just got the Asus branding doesn't seam or have anything other then the card name and Asus model number. Yes it's a desktop system
[18:30] <daftykins> brycetd19m: run "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "lspci | pastebinit"
[18:31] <brycetd19m> Wtf terminal is not installed.........
[18:31] <daftykins> i doubt that
[18:31] <k1l_> press alt+ctrl+t
[18:31] <brycetd19m> Looking at the search right now typed term and got no results.
[18:32] <k1l_> its called "gnome-terminal"
[18:32] <k1l_> what sort of ubuntu is that then?
[18:32] <daftykins> judging by the screenshot it's a normal 14.04 unity desktop
[18:33] <k1l_> *scrolling to the backlog* ah yes, that is unity, but i dont know the version :)
[18:33] <brycetd19m> Control alt t works just doesn't show in the search.
[18:34] <daftykins> not if you type the wrong prog name i guess, no
[18:36] <brycetd19m> Paste.ubuntu.com/10679780/ ?? There is there terminal output I'm guessing
[18:36] <iuza> brycetd19m,  try   lspci -k | grep VGA   -A  4
[18:37] <daftykins> iuza: what's the point? we have the answer.
[18:37] <daftykins> why waste a users time
[18:37] <brycetd19m> Yeah that's just wrong ubuntu is showing the wrong cpu I don't have a xeon
[18:37] <daftykins> brycetd19m: it is a vanilla 750, tried installing the nvidia proprietary driver? type 'additional drivers' into the dash to run it
[18:37] <teward> How can I rename an interface's identifier (eth0 for instance) for a given interface on a system
[18:37] <daftykins> brycetd19m: nah you're interpreting the responses incorrectly :)
[18:38] <k1l_> teward: it was something with udev rules iirc.
[18:38] <JuJuBee> What is the real advantage of 64bit over 32 bit with ubuntu?
[18:38] <daftykins> if you read it says xeon *or* 4th gen, i.e. Haswell
[18:38] <teward> k1l_: any idea where that is
[18:38] <genii> teward: It depends if it's a Dell and using the Constant Naming Scheme or if the interfaces are actually named things like eth0 eth1 and so on
[18:38] <k1l_> teward: see this http://askubuntu.com/questions/217635/how-to-rename-an-ethernet-interface
[18:39] <brycetd19m> No additional drivers available
[18:39] <noah123> I have 3 partitions (Windows), and I created a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB, and now I have 13 GB left but it's "unuseable". Why?
[18:40] <k1l_> brycetd19m: what gives you "uname -a"?
[18:40] <daftykins> brycetd19m: two choices then, 1) download nvidia driver from their website and install (not the best idea) or 2) add the xorg-edgers PPA (google will find it and show you how to add it) then install nvidia-346 with "sudo apt-get install nvidia-346"
[18:40] <k1l_> noah123: because you can only go for 4 primary partitions. like i said before
[18:40] <noah123> k1l_: I have 3 primary partitions and one logical
[18:41] <noah123> can't create any more partitions
[18:41] <wiredfool> so, my keyboard layout lasted 2 hours of active use this time till caps lock returned and killed my extra ctrl key
[18:41] <noah123> As I said ;)
[18:41] <daftykins> noah123: nah sounds like you made a fourth primary instead of an extended
[18:41] <k1l_> noah123: make a "extended" partition instead of the "primary" logical one. than put the new ubuntu partitions into that extended
[18:41] <k1l_> noah123: doing the same misstake over and over again is not going to solve that issue :)
[18:41] <hoxer> Hi guys. Does Ubuntu Phone have its on chan or is this the place to ask ?
[18:42] <popey> hoxer: #ubuntu-touch
[18:42] <teward> k1l_: thanks
[18:42] <teward> genii: it's a VMware VM
[18:42] <noah123> How?
[18:42] <noah123> k1l_:
[18:42] <k1l_> noah123: here is more detail on that if you dont trust me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#Extended_partition
[18:43] <noah123> I trust you but I don't know how
[18:43] <noah123> to create one
[18:44] <teward> k1l_: i also found this and this was a little more helpful, actually had to *add* the udev rule... http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-rename-ethernet-devices-named-using-udev/
[18:44] <teward> solved now though :
[18:44] <teward> :) &
[18:44] <teward> blah
[18:44] <brycetd19m> Okay so I got back 3.16.0-30-generic #40-14.04.1-ubuntu smp thu Jan 15 17:34:14 utc 2015 x86_64 x86_64 gnu/linux
[18:45] <noah123> k1l_
[18:46] <k1l_> noah123: did you boot the ubuntu live system already?
[18:46] <teward> next question, on a VM, the login screen is at 800x600, but the actual resolution after login is larger - how do i set login screen resolution on a 12.04 VM to use the larger resolution
[18:46] <noah123> k1l_:  yes
[18:46] <daftykins> brycetd19m: yeah so run: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa" then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-346 nvidia-settings" then reboot
[18:47] <k1l_> noah123: open up "gparted"
[18:47] <genii> daftykins: Will it pull in dkms and linux-headers, etc?
[18:47] <daftykins> genii: all i know is it works just dandy :)
[18:48] <genii> Hm
[18:56] <brycetd19m> Well all seams to be working now.......
[18:56] <daftykins> don't act so surprised :D
[18:57] <daftykins> brycetd19m: correct resolution on both displays?
[18:57] <noah123> k1l_: will the GParted setup be stored on the USB?
[18:57] <k1l_> noah123: no
[18:57] <noah123> Ok k1l_
[18:57] <noah123> Remember I will use dual boot
[18:57] <brycetd19m> Well the 42 inch is still on 1024x768 but apart from that it all looks good
[18:58] <daftykins> brycetd19m: try opening a terminal and running "xrandr | pastebinit"
[18:58] <k1l_> noah123: you cant make the setup running windows. so please come back when you booted the usb live version.
[18:59] <noah123> I have done that k1l_
[18:59] <noah123> I will install GParted
[18:59] <k1l_> so open gparted
[18:59] <noah123> Why does it says Language supportis incomplete for English?
[18:59] <k1l_> its already included. no need to install
[18:59] <brycetd19m> Paste.ubuntu.com/10679907/
[19:00] <noah123> ok opened it
[19:01] <k1l_> noah123: now you can make a 4th partition as extended one. then put the new partitions you want into that extended one
[19:01] <noah123> how?
[19:01] <daftykins> brycetd19m: yep it's not readong your TV properly, try only plugging in the HDMI after boot
[19:01] <daftykins> *reading
[19:01] <noah123> from the 80 GB unallocated space?
[19:01] <noah123> k1l_
[19:01] <k1l_> noah123: the same way you would do that on a windows machine with a windows program. its quite selfexplaining
[19:01] <noah123> from the 80 GB unallocated space?
[19:02] <noah123> I'm not familiar with disk manangement
[19:02] <k1l_> noah123: i dont know what partitions and what hdd you got there. you said you got 3 partitions and some free space. so use that free space
[19:02] <brycetd19m> Just did that same issue.....
[19:02] <noah123> I am going to install kubuntu on this free space
[19:02] <noah123> ok
[19:02] <k1l_> brycetd19m: some adapters involved?
[19:02] <noah123> So what should I type in all fields?
[19:03] <daftykins> brycetd19m: oh well, bit more effort needed to get the TV going maybe. you can also try cold booting with only the HDMI connected, DVI out - and see if it gets it wrong then too
[19:03] <teward> is there any way to route one of my applications through the VPN set up in network manager but the rest go through the standard network connection
[19:03] <teward> (this is on 14.04)
[19:03] <brycetd19m> Not at all k1l_ it's hdmi to hdmi
[19:04] <k1l_> noah123: make one 15GB ext4 for "/", then one partition "swap" with filesystem swap the same size as your ram, then the rest ext4 for "/home"
[19:04] <noah123> Here in GParted?
[19:04] <noah123> k1l_
[19:04] <k1l_> yes
[19:05] <noah123> Ehm
[19:05] <noah123> Step-for-step how?
[19:05] <k1l_> noah123: come on, i already said the stepsö
[19:05] <k1l_> -ö
[19:05] <daftykins> noah123: it's a GUI program, click around and learn
[19:06] <brycetd19m> Okay cold booting does nothing at all. Removed the DVI  and booted with hdmi also just tried booting then plugging in the TV.
[19:06] <k1l_> noah123: make extended partition. then make 3 new partitions inside that extended like i just said.
[19:06] <daftykins> brycetd19m: i think you misread my intention for cold boot :)
[19:06] <noah123> There's a lot of fieldas
[19:06] <noah123> And I'm a newbie to this
[19:06] <k1l_> noah123: if you can click in a windows partition program you will get that running too :)
[19:06] <daftykins> ^ yep run 'diskmgmt.msc' in Windows
[19:07] <noah123> Oh no ... This happened again!
[19:07] <brycetd19m> I unplugged all but the hdmi. And removed all connected cables and booted then connected the hdmi only nether did anything noticeable
[19:07] <noah123> The screen turns black and I can't do anything (I see it, but VERY dark)
[19:07] <daftykins> brycetd19m: latest firmware on the TV?
[19:07] <brycetd19m> Yep.
[19:07] <daftykins> are you sure? :)
[19:08] <brycetd19m> Very sure.
[19:08] <noah123> and I can't use hardware buttons (sound key, brightness keys, turn off key etc.)
[19:08] <daftykins> ok, well obviously some manual setup required there
[19:08] <brycetd19m> From memory it was using the 16:10 settings in windows
[19:09] <noah123> ;(
[19:09] <noah123> Why does this happens?
[19:10] <k1l_> noah123: what did you do?
[19:10] <noah123> nothing
[19:10] <noah123> and it's not the first time
[19:10] <brycetd19m> Okay well its showing as a "SAMSUNG PDP" witch doesn't really help the issue
[19:11] <k1l_> is the program hanging (its greyed out) or is the system hanging? or is it just turned down the brightness?
[19:11] <noah123> it's prefectly fine, it's just the brightness
[19:11] <daftykins> brycetd19m: plasma display panel? oh ghetto :>
[19:12] <noah123> I have no idea why...
[19:12] <noah123> k1l_: how do I resolve this ?
[19:13] <k1l_> noah123: look at system settings if you can disable the brightness shutdown.
[19:13] <k1l_> if nothing helps make a reboot
[19:13]  * k1l_ needs to go afk now
[19:14] <noah123> k1l_: where in system settings?
[19:14] <brycetd19m> Lol daftykins it supports up to 1080P normally without issues. Just always used the 16:10 range
[19:14] <daftykins> brycetd19m: yes i know, it's a detection issue.
[19:14] <daftykins> 1080p is not 16:10
[19:21] <noah123> k1l_: Shall I just leave it as it is when I have selected extended?
[19:21] <noah123> Click OK? And leave everything default
[19:22] <daftykins> noah123: just get it done :P
[19:22] <noah123> Yeah but shall I leave it as it is?
[19:22] <noah123> When I selected Extended
[19:22] <noah123> And Click OK?
[19:22] <EriC^^> noah123, what are you talking about?
[19:23] <noah123> Create an extended partition using gparted
[19:23] <daftykins> EriC^^: noah123 here is refusing to learn how to perform tasks with gparted manually - and wants babysitting
[19:23] <lompy> test
[19:23] <EriC^^> daftykins, i see :D
[19:23] <daftykins> !paste | noah123 upload screenshots if you want input, but this is really quite easy
[19:24] <noah123> But just a quick question: if I want to install UBUNTU when I create the extended partition should I leave it as it is when I have selected 'extended'?
[19:25] <daftykins> noah123: your question doesn't make much sense
[19:25] <noah123> ;(
[19:25] <noah123> Where can I ask gparted questions?
[19:26] <BnotD> hi
[19:26] <EriC^^> noah123, use sudo cfdisk like a normal person
[19:26] <EriC^^> lol
[19:26] <noah123> cfdisk?
[19:26] <noah123> Ok...
[19:26] <EriC^^> seriously though, use that, we can probably answer your questions
[19:27] <noah123> Like a normal person? There you can't create EXTENDED partitions
[19:27] <BnotD> HI all I typed kill -9 -1 in ubuntu terminal and now my laptop can't freezed
[19:27] <EriC^^> i was j/k and yes you can
[19:27] <noah123> Nope ...
[19:27] <noah123> I don't see this option :)
[19:28] <daftykins> EriC^^: it's a trap designed to have you hand-hold
[19:28] <EriC^^> daftykins, hehe
[19:29] <noah123> How do I create an extended partition there, EriC^^ `
[19:30] <EriC^^> noah123, press new
[19:30] <kevinfish> How can I get a list of all installed packages so after I rebuild my system I can reinstall all of them automatically?
[19:30] <noah123> and...?
[19:30] <noah123> you mean on the 80 gb unallocated space?
[19:30] <EriC^^> kevinfish, dpkg --get-selections > /path/to/packageslist
[19:30] <daftykins> kevinfish: read the "man" page of dpkg and look into --get-selections
[19:31] <EriC^^> noah123, yes
[19:31] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Sorry, but I just actually started testing the chroot and it works except for connecting to the internet. Ping does not even work.
[19:31] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, you need to copy over your /etc/resolv.conf
[19:31] <noah123> EriC^^: there's no extended option
[19:31] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: thx
[19:32] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, exit the chroot, ( type exit ) then cp /etc/resolv.conf /media...../etc/resolv.conf
[19:32] <noah123> just logical
[19:32] <noahmg123_> ok
[19:32] <EriC^^> noah123, yes, cfdisk does it for you
[19:32] <EriC^^> noahmg123_, then chroot back in
[19:32] <krabador> i create a .desktop in /usr/share/applications , on 14.04, but it don't appear in dash
[19:32] <krabador> how can i do a refresh of the dash content?
[19:32] <krabador> is tracker?
[19:32] <noah123> EriC^^: How?? I have clicked "new" :D
[19:32] <EriC^^> krabador, what was the name of the .desktop entry ( not the file.desktop )
[19:33] <EriC^^> noah123, you click new, press enter for logical and continue
[19:33] <krabador> EriC^^, version, name , comment ?
[19:34] <EriC^^> krabador, Name=
[19:34] <noah123> but it does not creates an extended, EriC^^
[19:34] <EriC^^> noah123, try creating 5 partitions
[19:34] <noahmg123_> EriC^^: Thank you.
[19:34] <noah123> EriC^^: ?
[19:34] <krabador> EriC^^, Comsol Multiphysics
[19:34] <krabador> EriC^^, 2 words
[19:35] <EriC^^> krabador, ok, if you type Comsol in the dash doesn't it appear?
[19:35] <krabador> EriC^^, not...
[19:36] <EriC^^> krabador, are you sure the file is there? ls -l /usr/share/applications/file.desktop
[19:36] <noah123> EriC^^: why 5?
[19:36] <EriC^^> noah123, cause you can only have 4 primary ones
[19:36] <noah123> Yes, that's why I want to create an extended where I create Ubuntu partitions
[19:36] <krabador> EriC^^, yes, i created it with sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/comsol.desktop
[19:36] <EriC^^> noah123, i meant for you to try it for your self
[19:37] <krabador> EriC^^, sudo chmod +x /usr/share/applications/comsol.desktop
[19:37] <EriC^^> krabador, paste the ls -l output here please
[19:38] <noah123> EriC^^: What do you mean? I want to create an extended partition where I will have my Kubuntu partitions
[19:38] <EriC^^> noah123, ok, create the partitions you want, when cfdisk says logical it means it's an extended logical partition
[19:39] <noah123> ok, and how do I add the partitions to the extended?
[19:40] <EriC^^> noah123, it creates it and adds it
[19:40] <noah123> To?
[19:40] <EriC^^> it.
[19:41] <daftykins> i guess we take for granted our DOS era learning of all this fun
[19:41] <daftykins> and now it's almost gone what with GPT
[19:42] <Tachyon`> hello, I have installed the grub bootsector to the superblock of the root partition (for reasons I need not go into), how do I prevent grub stomping all over the MBR whenever the kernel or w/e is upgraded?
[19:42] <noah123> Well - EriC^^ , how do I create the main extended partition where I will add partitions on?
[19:43] <EriC^^> noah123, cfdisk is smart enough to create it for you, and when you make new partitions it just adds them
[19:43] <noah123> If I don't want it to add it on just THIS extended partition`
[19:43] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[19:44] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[19:44] <noah123> I mean like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ExtendedPartition
[19:45] <AppleCIDR> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301433997715?rmvSB=true
[19:47] <sysop-rick> Hi, i know that this isn't a specific ubuntu question but i want to know if there is someone that knows if its possible to completely replace pluma (default text editor in mint 17 qiana) with gedit?
[19:47] <sysop-rick> if i run sudo apt-get --purge remove pluma, it wants to remove the following packages. name depends on your touchpad model, it may be something like
[19:48] <sysop-rick>   mint-meta-mate* pluma*
[19:48] <teward> sysop-rick: mint is offtopic here
[19:48] <genii> !mint | sysop-rick
[19:48] <teward> and genii ninja'd me to that xD
[19:48]  * genii slides teward a consolation coffee
[19:48] <sysop-rick> genii: ok thanks.
[19:49] <genii> sysop-rick: np
[19:49] <EriC^^> noah123, click new, make a primary partition if you want
[19:49] <EriC^^> noah123, then with the remaining free space make an extended one, you will get an arrow below it saying free space, make as many partitions as you'd like
[19:50] <EriC^^> noah123, why do you need more than 4 though?
[19:50] <noah123> I mean like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ExtendedPartition
[19:51] <teward> genii: $5 would be better, but meh
[19:51] <teward> anyways, i think my q got lost, so...
[19:52] <teward> is there any way to route only one of my applications through the VPN set up in network manager but the rest go through the standard network connection
[19:52] <EriC^^> noah123, what are you trying to do over all?
[19:52] <noah123> I have 4 primary partitions and I want to install Kubuntu
[19:53] <EriC^^> noah123, ok, great
[19:53] <noah123> so EriC^^ what shall I do? I didn't understand your reply
[19:53] <EriC^^> noah123, so you need to delete one primary to make the extended
[19:54] <noah123> yea that's done
[19:54] <EriC^^> did you backup the data etc. ok.
[19:54] <EriC^^> so you have 3 primaries right now?
[19:55] <noah123> yes
[19:56] <EriC^^> ok
[19:56] <noah123> so what shall I do?
[19:56] <EriC^^> boot the live usb
[19:57] <EriC^^> and partition from the installer
[19:57] <geemili> How do I fix a corrupted partition?
[19:57] <noah123> As said I need an extended?
[19:58] <EriC^^> noah123, in the installer, when you choose Something else, when it asks where it install, you can partition and make extended partitions
[19:58] <rainbowwarrior> hello I am using Ubuntu 14.10 and everything seems to be running slow and I am on an Acer Aspire V5-571P laptop with 8GB Memory and 1TB HD and generic intel gfx card, I was wondering if anyone can give me name of that software that tells you what channel your router and other networks are on please, I remember it starts with an L ?
[19:58] <genii> geemili: How is it corrupted?
[19:58] <noah123> no not extended
[19:58] <EriC^^> you'll have to go there anyways, and set the mountpoints and filesystems and what not
[19:58] <noah123> just logical
[19:58] <daftykins> rainbowwarrior: kismet also does this
[19:59] <rainbowwarrior> daftykins, Ok Thank You but I am more use to using the one that starts with an L , Lussid or something
[19:59] <EriC^^> noah123, please read this http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/partitions.html
[19:59] <teward> so, in my VMs, i have an Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop and an Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop.  12.04 runs smoothly, but 14.04 runs slow as sin.  Any way to figure out why?
[19:59] <daftykins> rainbowwarrior: good luck then :)
[20:00] <rainbowwarrior> ty daftykins
[20:00] <noah123> EriC^^: first use cfdisc and then add it using installer?
[20:01] <genii> geemili: ( Because what tactics to try vary upon what the problem is. If some part just got overwritten, or if it's physically failing, or some other problem out of many possible ones)
[20:01] <EriC^^> noah123, no, read that page it will make things very clear for you
[20:01] <geemili> @genii: the partition was on a laptop where the hard drive was making sounds. I am looking into getting a new hard drive, but I want to retrieve some data from it.
[20:01] <EriC^^> noah123, then use the installer to partition, forget cfdisk
[20:02] <geemili> @genii: It was a physical failure
[20:02] <daftykins> geemili: if you really care about said data, trying yourself would be a very bad idea
[20:02] <genii> geemili: So in this case, your best bet is to find another hard drive which is larger than the one which is failing, attach it by way of either usb enclosure or similar, then use ddrescue to pull off what you can to the good drive
[20:03] <geemili> daftykins: It's not essential that I get it back
[20:04] <genii> geemili: ddrescue is similar to dd but will keep copying even after it hits unreadable areas. so then you do the ddrescue to an image file on the external drive, then later from an intact linux system mount the image file and get what you can from it.
[20:04] <genii> work, afk
[20:04] <geemili> genii: Okay. I already imaged the drive.
[20:05] <geemili> Right now I'm trying to get files from the hard drive.
[20:06] <geemili> Although it might be smarter to pull them from the .iso
[20:06] <daftykins> geemili: how's the SMART data? if the reallocated sectors are incrementing then you don't really want to be working on the disk, nah
[20:09] <genii> geemili: Yes, the idea is to make an image as soon as possible then from there put the original aside so no new damage happens and work exclusively on the image file instead
[20:10] <geemili> genii: Okay
[20:11] <EriC^^> geemili, once you do that, install photorec
[20:12] <mutilator> hey all, anyone know what causes this?
[20:12] <mutilator> http://i.imgur.com/6uZeMpK.png
[20:12] <EriC^^> or other datarecovery software
[20:12] <mutilator> still waiting for it to boot...
[20:12] <geemili> genii: Does it come with TestDisk?
[20:13] <genii> geemili: What, ddrescue?
[20:14] <geemili> genii: photorec
[20:14] <EriC^^> geemili, photorec is included in testdisk
[20:14] <EriC^^> geemili, you can set which file headers to look for and it will search for them
[20:15] <genii> geemili: No, photorec is an app to try and recover lost files. Short for photo recovery, but not just for photos
[20:17] <mutilator> so all 2000 of you... no ideas?
[20:18] <genii> mutilator: All the bug reports which contain errors of this nature I have so far investigated all ended up to be hardware problems
[20:18] <mutilator> well..
[20:18] <mutilator> it's a VM
[20:18] <genii> ( so in 8 reports so far )
[20:18] <mutilator> so i'm not sure what hardware might be involved..
[20:18] <loktar> I hear there is some idlers in here
[20:19] <mutilator> it installed fine and booted after the install fine
[20:19] <CptRageToaster> there are
[20:19] <mutilator> then i ran updates and rebooted
[20:20] <EriC^^> mutilator, it looked like it hanged on the mouse, i dunno
[20:21] <EriC^^> try to unplug it maybe and let it boot
[20:21] <mutilator> there is no mouse to unplug
[20:22] <EriC^^> try booting a live usb
[20:22] <mutilator> lets see if i can disable all emulated USB stuff
[20:23] <CptRageToaster> mutilator: What VM client are you using?
[20:23] <mutilator> xenserver
[20:24] <CptRageToaster> mutilator: Bother andyhhp over in #XenServer
[20:24] <CptRageToaster> they might be sleeping...
[20:25] <mutilator> no one is ever alive there heh
[20:25] <CptRageToaster> well
[20:25] <CptRageToaster> go there
[20:25] <mutilator> disabling usb didnt seem to make a difference
[20:25] <CptRageToaster> because you have a Xenserver issue
[20:25] <mutilator> i have an ubuntu issue
[20:26] <mutilator> every other linux VM works fine
[20:26] <mutilator> even ubuntu 12
[20:27] <CptRageToaster> you complain about not getting help in the midst of 1900 users but this channel is not dedicated to XenServer
[20:27] <Bray9082_> How would i remove text in a file from the terminal
[20:27] <Bray9082_> What I actually wanna do is find every instance of \ and remove it
[20:27] <CptRageToaster> you can't expect us to know about your specific issue with XenServer
[20:27] <mutilator> but it is dedicated to ubuntu
[20:27] <mutilator> and ubuntu 14.04 is what isnt booting
[20:27] <mutilator> xenserver is running fine
[20:27] <mutilator> and every other guest runs fine
[20:27] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: ever heard of a tool named sed?
[20:28] <CptRageToaster> mutilator: It's a XenServer issue...
[20:28] <mutilator> oh ok
[20:28] <CptRageToaster> might be related to the kernel your trying to run...
[20:28] <CptRageToaster> it might be a configuration issue
[20:28] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: I have herd of it never used it
[20:28] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: It's a really OLD tool, that can edit files
[20:29] <CptRageToaster> It's got some cool features, if you want to remove instances of \
[20:29] <CptRageToaster> you can tell it to find all isntances of \, and replace it with
[20:30] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: Would it also just remove the character
[20:31] <CptRageToaster> you can choose to replace the character with something if you want
[20:31] <CptRageToaster> the way it works, is you open sed, and give it a command
[20:31] <CptRageToaster> we'll use the s command
[20:31] <CptRageToaster> to find/replace
[20:31] <CptRageToaster> s/old/new/
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> so, to find all of the \ characters
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> we need to escape them
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> so our old=\\
[20:32] <Bray9082_> So it has to replace it with another character?
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> our new... is empty
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> so we say
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> s/\\//
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> which replaces all \\ with
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> if you wanted to replace all \ with a space
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> s/\\/ /
[20:32] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: I don't wanna replace them I want to remove them
[20:32] <CptRageToaster> see how that works?
[20:33] <tita> ola
[20:33] <teward> is it sane/safe to use rsync to copy files from one drive to another (NOT cloning ISOs and such and writing, actually copying files and directories)
[20:33] <perla> hi who is one
[20:33] <tita> boa noite
[20:33] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: So, now that we know how the s command works
[20:33] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: We need to tell sed to do this as many times as it can
[20:33] <perla> who is on chat with me
[20:33] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: on each line, as many times per line
[20:33] <perla> who is se
[20:33] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: s/\\//gm
[20:34] <CptRageToaster> g = global, m = multiline
[20:34] <perla> oh thanks
[20:34] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: so, now, all thats left is to tell open sed on your file, and run that command
[20:34] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: sed -i 's/\\//gm' FILE_NAME
[20:35] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: do you realize that I Don't want to replace the character with anything just delete it
[20:35] <CptRageToaster> exactly
[20:35] <Bray9082_> Alright
[20:35] <CptRageToaster> I can read :)
[20:35] <Bray9082_> Apperently I can't :P
[20:35] <CptRageToaster> If you were reading, you'll see that I cover the case where we delete the slash
[20:35] <CptRageToaster> s/\\//
[20:35] <CptRageToaster> and the case where we replace the slash with a space
[20:35] <CptRageToaster> s/\\/ /
[20:36] <CptRageToaster> if you wanted to replace each slash with the word potato, youd say
[20:36] <CptRageToaster> s/\\/potato/
[20:36] <CptRageToaster> so you just leave it empty to delete the slashes
[20:36] <geemili> genii: thanks for the help! Photo rec is now in the process of recovering my files.
[20:36] <heath_> If I wanted to have a distro of Ubuntu that installed specific packages when installing the OS what would be the best way to do this?
[20:36] <CptRageToaster> heath_: docker
[20:37] <genii> geemili: Cool.
[20:37] <linuxthefish> hi, what sources list to use for ubuntu 13.10 raring ?
[20:37] <OerHeks> !raring
[20:38] <teward> linuxthefish: none - 13.04 went End of Life in January 2014 - you should upgrade to a supported release
[20:38] <linuxthefish> oh
[20:38] <CptRageToaster> linuxthefish: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[20:38] <OerHeks> or saucy 13.10 ?
[20:38] <OerHeks> also EOL
[20:39] <CptRageToaster> hmm... that's not 13.10... nvm
[20:39] <linuxthefish> can i use do-release-upgrade for the latest?
[20:39] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | linuxthefish
[20:39] <heath_> CptRageToaster, and this would work for spinning up desktop instances for developers to use?
[20:40] <CptRageToaster> heath_: That's primarily what it's for
[20:40] <CptRageToaster> industrial setups
[20:40] <CptRageToaster> s/industrial/enterprise
[20:40] <heath_> Thanks.
[20:40] <maelcum> hello. i have permission issues with sound and graphics on vivid / systemd. alsamixer (and audio players) don't have permission to anything in /dev/snd/, and  glxinfo (and other opengl applications) don't have permission to anything in /dev/dri/.
[20:40] <maelcum> i am using a self compiled xorg stack and no pulseaudio
[20:40] <EriC^^> !ubuntu+1
[20:40] <EriC^^> maelcum, ^
[20:40] <maelcum> alright, thanks
[20:42] <aftereyo_> so so so
[20:42] <aftereyo_> who keeps on CVing my Aksubuntu questions
[20:42] <IdleOne> try asking askubuntu forum
[20:43] <IdleOne> This channel has nothing to do with that
[20:43] <aftereyo_> Oh
[20:43] <aftereyo_> Is it true that you can jus tupgrade throuigh all version of UBuntu
[20:44] <quants> Hi all,  I want to put lubuntu onto a netbook. it currently has windows 7 starter but i want to get rid of that totally.
[20:44] <CptRageToaster> not easily from the desktop... no...
[20:44] <aftereyo_> I've seens some posts on reddit (ikr) that say that the 6month release cycles doesn't matte rbecuase you can upgrade wihtout installing
[20:44] <aftereyo_> *re-installing the OS
[20:44] <CptRageToaster> quants: You can google that
[20:45] <SchrodingersScat> !google | CptRageToaster
[20:45] <SchrodingersScat> aftereyo_: upgrades have been fine for me.
[20:45] <aftereyo_> quants: it's easy boot into the live cd and chose erase disk and install bla bla
[20:45] <aftereyo_> SchrodingersScat: so what was the last version of UBuntu you had to install?
[20:45] <EriC^^> quants, boot the live usb, choose erase disk and install lubuntu
[20:45] <k1l_> aftereyo_: what ubuntu are you on?
[20:46] <teward> is it harmful to erase data from /tmp
[20:46] <SchrodingersScat> aftereyo_: 14.10, on a vm
[20:46] <aftereyo_> Kubuntu 15.04
[20:46] <teward> !15.04 | aftereyo_
[20:46] <CptRageToaster> SchrodingersScat quants: my apologies
[20:46] <aftereyo_> teward: nope
[20:46] <k1l_> aftereyo_: you can upgrade the ubuntu versions. but you need to make every step. just LTS to LTS is a fast path
[20:46] <quants> aftereyo_ i have downloaded the file from the lubuntu site, how do i make it work as a boot disk?
[20:46] <k1l_> aftereyo_: well, alpha/beta support is in #ubuntu+1
[20:46] <aftereyo_> quants: what os are you on?
[20:47] <aftereyo_> I meant 13.40
[20:47] <aftereyo_> 14.04
[20:47] <k1l_> teward: depends on the data. tmp is erased after every reboot anyway. but some programs may be struggeling if you remove their stuff while the want to have it sit in tmp :)
[20:47] <quants> aftereyo_ its currently running windows 7 starter 32 bit OS
[20:48] <bprompt> quants:    the .iso?
[20:48] <k1l_> quants: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[20:48] <teward> k1l_: mmm, good point
[20:48] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: Thanks for the info but since I am not actually using ubuntu I think this is as far as we can go
[20:48] <quants> k1l_ thanks
[20:48] <aftereyo_> quants: do that link ^^
[20:49] <k1l_> aftereyo_: so what version do you want to upgrade from that 14.04?
[20:49] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: if you're running some form of linux, you have sed
[20:49] <aftereyo_> k1l_: I mean in general
[20:49] <aftereyo_> can I upgrade from here on out to 20.04?
[20:49] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: I am actually running OSX so...
[20:49] <aftereyo_> or will I have to reinstall every 6 months
[20:49] <k1l_> aftereyo_: yes.
[20:49] <CptRageToaster> then your sed will be slightly different
[20:50] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: But you will still have it
[20:50] <k1l_> aftereyo_: you can use the lts upgrade path which is 14.04 -> 16.04 ->18.04 ->20.04
[20:50] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: Yes that's what I was saying
[20:50] <bprompt> Bray9082_:     can't just do a search/replace  on an editor ?
[20:50] <aftereyo_> k1l_: what if I want standard?
[20:50] <aftereyo_> LTS is always a step behinf
[20:50] <Bray9082_> bprompt: I want to remove not replace
[20:50] <k1l_> aftereyo_: but if you would upgrade to 14.10 you will need to 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04 and can then go the LTS path again
[20:51] <quants> k1l_ sorry im using ubuntu myself, i want to change my friends laptop to lubuntu
[20:51] <bprompt> Bray9082_:      replace with "blank", same as removal, removal procedure does in a logical sense, the same thing
[20:51] <k1l_> quants: it doesnt matter if the .iso is ubuntu or Lubuntu
[20:51] <maibanex324234> Having a frustrating problem. HDMI sound works in Unity/Gnome desktops, but in i3wm Alsamixer lists my HDMI card as S/PDIF and 00 with no sliding bar. Can two audio devices have the same number and not cause problems? I have two named 3.
[20:51] <CptRageToaster> Bray9082_: To be completely honest.... How am I supposed to know you were running MaxOSX when you asked a question in Ubuntu?
[20:51] <k1l_> quants: that works for all *ubuntu version
[20:52] <Bray9082_> bprompt: Wouldn't that replace it with a space
[20:52] <quants> k1l thank you
[20:52] <teward> k1l_: what about those of us who don't reboot their laptops frequently, can /tmp eat up all the disk space?
[20:52] <bprompt> Bray9082_:    if you use a space as the replacement string, yes, if you leave it blank, it simply will get rid of it
[20:52] <bprompt> Bray9082_:     blank  ![20:52] <k1l_> teward: erm, i think yes.
[20:53] <k1l_> teward: but i am not aware of it as a general issue.
[20:53] <Bray9082_> bprompt: Thanks that actually worked pretty well
[20:54] <Bray9082_> CptRageToaster: Thanks for your help as well
[20:55] <CptRageToaster> ~burniso | quants
[20:55] <CptRageToaster> !burniso | quants
[20:55] <bprompt> np
[20:55] <maibanex324234> Anyone else have audio issues using i3wm in ubuntu?
[20:56] <Ullarah> Using i3wm in xubuntu with no issues :)
[20:57] <maibanex324234> HDMI graphics/audio?
[20:57] <maibanex324234> I don't like installing an OS to be the fix, but after all my fiddling I feel dirty if I don't reinstall. Lol.
[20:57] <mmercer> lo all;  having issues with updates, just curious if anyone has noticed the same problem;  working with an ubuntu-server 14.04.2 x64 cd, minimal install (openssh server),  doing a dist-upgrade is failing on Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades_0.82.1ubuntu2.1_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[20:59] <sak> I am having issues installing Lubuntu 32bit 15.04 on my HP laptop. The issue might be an xserver issue. I learned this version of the xserver does not support my GPU. This this the bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1432843
[20:59] <daftykins> sak: 15.04 isn't out yet, so discussion in #ubuntu+1 please
[21:02] <maibanex324234> Can two audio drives have the same hardware device number without causing issues?
[21:03] <sorcerer1> people from germany here?
[21:03] <maibanex324234> example: HDMI, device 3: HDMI 0 ------ HDA Intel, device 3: ALC892 Digital
[21:03] <k1l_> sorcerer1: der deutsche kanal ist #ubuntu-de
[21:03] <sorcerer1> danke dir @k1l_
[21:10] <doubleToast> Hi
[21:10] <Cyborgdx> hi
[21:18] <doubleToast> the 14.10 server installer keeps throwing me to the installer main menu after setting up partitions and loading some things
[21:18] <chotaz> Good evening folks, I was wondering if there's a way to 'transform' my standar ubuntu 14.10 installation in ubuntuMATE 14.10 ?
[21:18] <doubleToast> without any error popup
[21:18] <daftykins> doubleToast: unwise to use non-LTS server
[21:19] <doubleToast> I chose it for qemu+kvm
[21:19] <chotaz> I've been using ubuntuMATE @ work and I'm really liking it's environment, but I was wondering if I could accomplish such without a fresh install
[21:19] <daftykins> chotaz: there's probably a meta package for MATE desktop, just install, log out - change session on the login screen and log in
[21:20] <chotaz> daftykins: i could then remove unity without any drawbacks?
[21:20] <daftykins> chotaz: i wouldn't bother unless you're really desperate for disk space
[21:23] <EriC^^> !info ubuntu-mate-desktop
[21:23] <TheBigDeal> is there an arabic clone of #ubuntu?
[21:24] <EriC^^> chotaz: search for mate-desktop, apt-cache search mate-desktop , and see if anything shows up
[21:24] <doubleToast> how can I find out what's wrong with the installer if it doesn't throw an error? dmesg doesnt show anything either
[21:25] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[21:25] <doubleToast> already verified
[21:26] <doubleToast> and I used the image successfully before on another PC
[21:26] <tallymarkd> i need help. so im on the terminal and installing libpcap-dev and i get an error of "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is another process using it?
[21:27] <geemili> Any suggestions on sorting files recovered using photo rec?
[21:27] <tallymarkd> bump
[21:27] <Ben64> tallymarkd: please don't
[21:28] <tallymarkd> wtf is wrong with you people.
[21:28] <gr33n7007h> !language
[21:28] <Ben64> you asked less than a minute ago, no need to "bump" ....  also this is IRC not a forum, "bump" has no effect
[21:28] <tallymarkd> i dont care. someone else butted in. and its funny. so relax
[21:29] <tallymarkd> more like ubuntu nazi camp
[21:29] <Ben64> it's not funny, nobody butted in, you're just adding meaningless lines to the channel
[21:29] <guntbert> tallymarkd: stop it please
[21:29] <k1l_> tallymarkd: stop that
[21:29] <tallymarkd> its true
[21:29] <tallymarkd> free speech, first amendment. hear of it?
[21:29] <cpt_yossarian> this is a private channel
[21:30] <trijntje> right to speak, not right to speak in our room ;)
[21:31] <cpt_yossarian> tallymarkd: you won't be able to respond to this, but your problem is that another program has a lock on the dpkg database that apt-get needs to use. you need to wait for that process to finish, or kill it
[21:33] <doubleToast> just out of curiosity - is it realistic that someone will answer to a question after more than 30 minutes or should I consider no answer meaning that noone who read it can help?
[21:34] <doubleToast> just so I know if I should keep lurking :)
[21:34] <guntbert> doubleToast: its fine if you repeat your question after 10 minutes or so
[21:35] <guntbert> doubleToast: people are always joining/leaving/coming back to their computer...
[21:37] <doubleToast> ok
[21:49] <pl1x> hi anyone knows what i changed that videos in fullscreen (on youtube) getting played only on my 2nd screen?
[21:52] <cpt_yossarian> maybe check your display settings
[21:52] <pl1x> cpt_yossarian: i did, they're right
[21:52] <cpt_yossarian> see if you're second screen has been set to primary. just a guess
[21:52] <cpt_yossarian> oh
[21:54] <pl1x> cpt_yossarian: this is actually annoying because my main screen is 31" and notebook screen is 15,4"
[21:56] <cpt_yossarian> that sucks. is it only a youtube problem, or a problem with all videos in fullscreen mode?
[21:56] <pl1x> all videos
[21:56] <pl1x> even videos in my dropbox
[21:56] <pl1x> but downloaded videos work
[21:56] <cpt_yossarian> beats me :\
[21:58] <joshh20> Is there a specific reason that the Ubuntu "linux-sources" package gives kernel 3.16 and not a newer source?
[21:58] <xangua> !latest | joshh20
[21:59] <teward> !info linux-sources utopic
[21:59] <teward> blah
[21:59] <teward> whatever
[21:59] <joshh20> Haha alright
[21:59] <joshh20> I thought 3.16 was from like August though?
[22:00] <teward> joshh20: they don't bump stable already-released versions of Ubuntu to the higher kernels - for the LTSes I think there may be backports sometimes, but not frequently
[22:00] <xangua> yes, latest ubuntu was released in august
[22:00] <teward> and that
[22:00] <joshh20> Ah I see
[22:00] <teward> xangua: i thought that was just kernel freeze? (14.10 was released October no?)
[22:01] <Artemis3> thats what the numbers mean teward
[22:01] <teward> Artemis3: i know that - i'm asking xangua to clarify 'was released'  :P
[22:02] <Alissa> !ubuntu
[22:02] <Alissa> wrong channel, whups.
[22:02] <locsmif> How could this be the wrong channel for that
[22:02] <locsmif> A bit redundant, maybe
[22:02] <Desez2tPunk> Trying to install Steam on Ubuntu 14.04, error output http://pastebin.com/EVn9HGdb
[22:03] <Desez2tPunk> Any ideas?
[22:03] <ikonia> Desez2tPunk: you have dependency conflicts
[22:03] <ikonia> probably coming from external repos
[22:03] <eugecm1> hello! I'm having an issue with an ACPI IRQ that keeps firing and takes 100% of one of my cpus. I know this because /proc/interrupts shows that IRQ9 (acpi) has a HUGE count and I remember a couple of years ago I was able to mask the interrupt and that fixed it, but I recently formatted the hard drive and forgot how I did it. Any thoughts?
[22:03] <locsmif> Desez2tPunk: using apt-get or aptitude?
[22:04] <eugecm1> I also tried setting /proc/irq/X/smp_affinity to 0 but that's not allowed :(
[22:04] <locsmif> Desez2tPunk: also, try again after running apt-get update
[22:04] <Alissa> locsmif: #ubuntu is right above #weechat
[22:04] <Alissa> and weebot has a !ubuntu to display the link to PPAs for the newest versions
[22:04] <w00tburger> so I am at a low run level right now- my gui isnt fireing up properly
[22:04] <Desez2tPunk> ikonia, no idea, I'm quite new to this Linux ordeal. locsmif will try apt-get update. I downloaded the package off Steams official site and installed it that way because the software center one won't install for me
[22:04] <w00tburger> no menu bar nor dock bar once I log in
[22:04] <locsmif> Desez2tPunk: as the error message indicates, the package index may be out of sync due to an upgrade occurring between now and your last indexing
[22:05] <locsmif> Alissa: ah :)
[22:05] <w00tburger> its like the X didnt load or somthing. I attempted to reboot but no dics
[22:05] <w00tburger> dice
[22:05] <Alissa> So, sorry about that :P
[22:06] <locsmif> Desez2tPunk: if apt-get fails, trying aptitude install steam may work. It has a more intelligent dependency/conflict resolver.
[22:06] <locsmif> Alissa: you should be! :P
[22:06]  * Alissa sits on locsmif and goes to do other things
[22:07]  * LeoDee backs away from keyboard
[22:07] <w00tburger> cmon no one can tell me how to reset my xorg?
[22:07] <locsmif> w00tburger: reset how?
[22:07] <locsmif> dpkg-reconfigure is one option
[22:09] <sta7ic> Hello, I am re-installing everything new on my laptop. I want two distro's to run. It seems when I install one on top of another, it doesnt want to add it automatically to grub and just thinks its the only distro. However, it keeps windows 7 without issue. whats the best way to install a new distro while getting grub to detect the existing one
[22:09] <w00tburger> I guess I am not really sure. my dock window didnt load- nor are my windows around anything I open
[22:09] <ikonia> sta7ic: you will have  problems maintaining 2 grub2's
[22:09] <w00tburger> I have no minimize or expand options
[22:10] <sta7ic> ikonia, what if i dont write the first install grub to anything and just have the second install write the grub
[22:11] <locsmif> sta7ic: install one "on top" of the other? I presume you do have a normal partition layout? Both are Grub 2?
[22:12] <ikonia> sta7ic: it won't work well, as it won't be able to update the kernel for the one without grub
[22:12] <ikonia> sta7ic: your only real option is chainloading, but thats getting more complex
[22:12] <sta7ic> locsmif, I have not done the installs yet, wanted to ask before i got started cuz first time i had an issue
[22:13] <sta7ic> wow so not really an option to *easily* dual boot linux distros?
[22:13] <locsmif> sta7ic: Grub 2 creates a list of operating systems to boot automatically, normally
[22:14] <ikonia> sta7ic: my personal opinion is that it's a failing of how distros are using grub2 these days, but yes, I see it as a failing compared to grub1
[22:14] <aki93> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER aki93 xsvjpjxifqid
[22:14] <locsmif> You could configure one Grub to reside in the boot sector rather than MBR and then chainload
[22:14] <sta7ic> i have 5 partitions on GPT, 512 for boot, 12 gb for OS, 512 for boot, 12 GB for OS, and I have 124 GB that I wanted to be able to mount between the two.
[22:14] <sta7ic> what if i use LILO
[22:14] <ikonia> thats dead
[22:14] <locsmif> Oh, GPT
[22:14] <sta7ic> i have the option for LILO
[22:15] <Desez2tPunk> locsmif, I'm using sudo aptitude now and it's telling me command not found :/
[22:15] <ipuAr> got a friend, who named his son lilo *g*
[22:15] <locsmif> Desez2tPunk: apt-get install aptitude
[22:15] <ikonia> sta7ic: I think it has limitiations with gpt/efi - but I'm not %100 sure on that
[22:15] <EriC^^> ikonia: if grub isn't installed, the kernel won't update?
[22:15] <ikonia> Desez2tPunk: why are you using aptititude - that won't solve dependency conflicts
[22:15] <locsmif> hmm, I can't find aptitude either.
[22:15] <locsmif> never mind.
[22:15] <ikonia> EriC^^: pardon ?
[22:15] <locsmif> ikonia: in some cases, it will
[22:15] <EriC^^> ikonia: or you meant the grub on the other os won't know about it to put it in the menu?
[22:16] <EriC^^> ikonia: you said that if he uses one grub, the kernel won't update
[22:16] <ikonia> EriC^^: they won't be able to update the grub boot loader, so won't be able to boot the new kernel, and if the old one is removed as part of the update, won't boot at all
[22:17] <EriC^^> ikonia: but he can still boot his os, and run update-grub though can't he?
[22:17] <ikonia> EriC^^: no,
[22:17] <sta7ic> what comes after grub? honestly looking forward to the day its gone
[22:17] <EriC^^> hmm?
[22:17] <EriC^^> why not?
[22:17] <ikonia> EriC^^: as grub config files will be in the other grub directory in /etc
[22:18] <EriC^^> ikonia: won't grub find his other os and kernel?
[22:18] <Desez2tPunk> ikonia, his suggestion using aptitude worked :D Thanks though
[22:18] <Desez2tPunk> And thanks for helping me install it locsmif! :D
[22:18] <ikonia> Desez2tPunk: that makes no sense
[22:19] <ikonia> EriC^^: so every time he updates the kernel in OS1 - you're suggesting he boots into OS2 and runs grub-prober and update-grub ?
[22:19] <locsmif> Desez2tPunk: you're welcome
[22:19] <locsmif> EriC^^: of course it will
[22:19] <EriC^^> ikonia: yes, update-grub
[22:19] <ikonia> EriC^^: that is stupid
[22:19] <locsmif> EriC^^: grub config files aren't static
[22:19] <Desez2tPunk> ikonia, I installed aptitude with apt-get install aptitude then used aptitude install steam and it worked like a charm
[22:19] <ikonia> EriC^^: so to manage one OS, you suggest booting into another one
[22:19] <arkanciscan> how do I check the size of a file on the CLI?
[22:19] <ikonia> arkanciscan: ls -a
[22:19] <ikonia> ls -al
[22:19] <arkanciscan> ikonia: thx
[22:19] <Ben64> Desez2tPunk: can you pastebin the output from the aptitude command
[22:19] <ikonia> Desez2tPunk: that shouldn't do anything if there is a conflict
[22:20] <Desez2tPunk> ikonia, just saying that it worked haha :D
[22:20] <Desez2tPunk> Thanks everyone!
[22:20] <locsmif> ikonia: like I said, aptitude has an intelligent resolver
[22:20] <ikonia> locsmif: it can't resolve conflicts
[22:20] <EriC^^> ikonia: well he could use grub on his primary os, it would probably update-grub anyways when it installs new kernels
[22:20] <ikonia> locsmif: it can only deal with optionals
[22:20] <ikonia> EriC^^: no it wouldn't
[22:21] <EriC^^> ikonia: doesn't update-grub run after a new kernel is installed?
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> EriC^^: yes
[22:22] <Ben64> Desez2tPunk: but we'd like to know why it worked, a pastebin would help
[22:22] <ikonia> EriC^^: yes, but he's not updating that OS - he's updating the other OS which has no control over grub as the config files are in /etc on the first os
[22:22] <EriC^^> ikonia: i mean to install grub on the os he uses primarily
[22:23] <ikonia> EriC^^: right, and how does that help when he tries to update the second OS ?
[22:23] <uguntu> #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:23] <mmercer> is /var/log/udev a special file in ubuntu like btmp and wtmp, or is it just a device listing ?
[22:23] <ikonia> mmercer: it's a log
[22:23] <Desez2tPunk> Ben64, this is as much of the terminal as I could copy paste, unless there's logs of it all some where?
[22:24] <sta7ic> by the way, both of my "/" partitions would be encryped
[22:24] <ikonia> sta7ic: even worse
[22:24] <sta7ic> it seems possible online but not sure with encryption
[22:24] <sta7ic> yeah
[22:24] <Desez2tPunk> Ben64, sorry forgot the url http://pastebin.com/ncQKNwJC output of terminal
[22:25] <ikonia> sta7ic: it really isn't realistic even without encytpion, unless you setup chain loading
[22:26] <Bashing-om> ikonia: EriC^^ I quad boot 'buntu's - on MBR .. and yes each time one of the alternate OSs updates grub, I must go back to my primary and re-institute that grub as the primary. I have 30_os-prober disabled in those alternate installs .
[22:26] <sta7ic> sda1 = 512 /boot, sda2 = 12GB crypto /, sda3 = 512 /boot, sda4 = 12GB crpto, sda5 = ext4 cryto that I can mount between the two.
[22:26] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: i see
[22:26] <ikonia> sta7ic: not sure that that's got to do with anything
[22:27] <sta7ic> ill look into chain loading, whatever that is
[22:27] <sta7ic> what comes after grub, can we hurry it up there guys? j/k (sort of)
[22:27] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[22:28] <sta7ic> ikonia, i learnd on LILO and have never liked grub, especially grub2
[22:28] <ikonia> sta7ic: what's your question ?
[22:28] <sta7ic> then again, i miss /etc/inetd.conf
[22:29] <EriC^^> "what comes after grub" it's almost philosophical in nature /:>
[22:29] <sta7ic> ikonia, why does everything have to be so complicated...sort of ruins the beauty
[22:29] <EriC^^> sta7ic: you and avril lavigne both
[22:29] <EriC^^> god bless you too
[22:30] <ikonia> ?
[22:30] <sta7ic> my ex looks just like her
[22:30] <ikonia> ok - thats not for this channel please
[22:30] <sta7ic> and dont tell me to go to off topic, i know already..
[22:30] <sta7ic> haha
[22:30] <sta7ic> knew it
[22:30] <Bashing-om> sta7ic: 'cause people want to boot the system in 5 seconds ? (parallel processing )
[22:31] <EriC^^> *two
[22:31] <sta7ic> inetd.conf, used just be a file with every service you wanted to start at boot. if you didnt want that, you commented it out. simple but effective..
[22:31] <ikonia> sta7ic: that is not for this channel
[22:31] <ikonia> you can take a trip down memory lane elsewhere
[22:32] <sta7ic> now i have to rememebr all these rc.update commands that change every year on how it works, for what
[22:32] <sta7ic> so whats systemd all about?
[22:32] <sta7ic> somethings changing again
[22:32] <axgs> yo hi
[22:32] <akkad> systemd is about gnome trying to kill off kde once again
[22:32] <traekili> it will probably all pan out
[22:32] <ikonia> there is a lot of documentation on the web
[22:32] <ikonia> research systemd if you're interested in what it's about
[22:32] <sta7ic> !powertripper ikonia
[22:33] <ikonia> sta7ic: stop it, please
[22:33] <sta7ic> oh the bot doesnt know that cmd yet
[22:33] <sta7ic> ikonia, how bout you stop and let it go once in a while...your uptightness is depressing me
[22:34] <ikonia> sta7ic: please, just stick within the channel topic/guidelines
[22:34] <sta7ic> ikonia, /ignored
[22:34] <teward> !ops | sta7ic is becoming disruptive, and is ignoring the channel topic and guidelines
[22:34] <axgs> what is going on here ?
[22:34] <locsmif> zero tolerance at work
[22:57] <Guest8039> ?
[22:57] <Guest8039> hello?
[22:57] <k1l_> hi
[22:57] <Guest8039> Do know anything about arm processors and linux?>
[22:57] <ikonia> just ask your question Guest8039
[22:58] <Guest8039> Well
[22:58] <k1l_> if you want to talk about ARM and ubuntu you can ask in #ubuntu-arm  for general linux talk better ask in ##linux
[22:58] <Guest8039> I installed xfce on a chromebook with a nvidia tegra k1.
[22:58] <k1l_> !away > AustinTheGrey_Aw
[22:58] <Guest8039> How do I set up the graphics?
[22:58] <ikonia> Guest8039: sorry, thats not ubuntu
[22:58] <ikonia> Guest8039: this channel only deals with ubuntu
[22:58] <Guest8039> Ooh
[22:59] <Guest8039> What is xfce?
[22:59] <Guest8039> debian?
[22:59] <ikonia> desktop
[22:59] <k1l_> the chrubuntu stuff needs some special treatment. better ask the chrubuntu specialists.
[22:59] <Guest8039> What channel?
[22:59] <k1l_> !chrubuntu
[23:00] <k1l_> #chrubuntu maybe?
[23:00] <Guest8039> I found a channel but i used crouton
[23:00] <Guest8039> is there a difference?
[23:00] <Guest8039> im new kinda..
[23:01] <Guest8039> found a crouton chan nevermind
[23:01] <Nohant> Good Evening, there is someone who can help me with TestDisk and a Macbook?
[23:02] <KF5WYX> Can anyone tell me how to setup a serial port monitor @9600 81n ?
[23:02] <Nohant> someone know how to mount hfs+
[23:02] <Nohant> ?
[23:03] <quants> hi all, i am having trouble making a lubuntu .iso file live on a USB drive
[23:03] <Ullarah> quants, use rufus https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[23:04] <akkad> mount
[23:05] <KF5WYX> found gtkterm, looks like what I need.
[23:06] <et09> replaced default unity with xmonad, now no audio for non-root users
[23:06] <quants> Ullarah, how does it work, sorry im a newb
[23:06] <et09> anyone know the fix for that
[23:07] <EriC^^> quants: try dd, sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M ( where /dev/sdX is your usb's name type lsblk to get it )
[23:07] <EriC^^> quants: or sudo parted -l , to get the name and double check
[23:07] <quants> Eric do explain
[23:08] <k1l_> quants: what did not work with the solution a linked earlier?
[23:09] <quants> K1l i tried but when i get two stem three i cant find the file on the usb
[23:10] <EriC^^> quants: what file?
[23:10] <k1l_> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[23:11] <k1l_> quants: you are using windows right now, right?
[23:11] <quants> K1l , EriC. sorry im new.  is there a simple way to do this through the terminal, im failing with the GUI's
[23:12] <EriC^^> quants: yes, dd
[23:12] <quants> k1l im using ubuntu on my laptop. im trying to convirt my friends laptop
[23:12] <k1l_> quants: ok then just use "dd"
[23:12] <EriC^^> quants: open a terminal and type sudo parted -l , it should list the disks, get the name of your usb sdb sdc sd... etc.
[23:12] <quants> dd ??
[23:13] <quants> ok EriC............??
[23:13] <skinux> Is there any way to set it up so that when I click on File Explorer icon in Unity's left-side launcher, it will prompt for password and open File Explorer with 'sudo' privileges?
[23:13] <EriC^^> quants: ?
[23:13] <k1l_> see "fdisk -l" what your usb stick is named. than use the dd command with input of your .iso and output of your usb drive and it will make a 1to1 copy from the iso to the usb
[23:14] <daftykins> skinux: but we need protecting from ourselves
[23:14] <Kamuela> How do I reinstate swap with LVM? I removed that partition with system-config-lvm but haven't done anything else. The GUI doesn't support creating the partition as swap.
[23:15] <ikonia> system-config-lvm ? thats redhat isn't it ?
[23:15] <mothi> Can someone help me as to what to do when my system completely freezes if I try to connect to a network over wi-fi. I have tried two different wifi bundles. I get the network list okay, but as soon as I connect, the system freezes completely.
[23:15] <quants> EriC what date do you need from Sudo parted -l ??
[23:15] <_X_C_V_B_> I can't find the command for http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-cpugraph-plugin
[23:15] <EriC^^> quants: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:15] <kjhkjh> qoiuoiuoiu
[23:15] <EriC^^> and paste the link here quants
[23:16] <mothi> I am running 3.13.0-46-lowlatency #79-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
[23:16] <skinux> daftykins: For an average user, yes that would be true. Either way, is there a way to set that up or not?
[23:19] <daftykins> skinux: why don't you just run the prog with gksu?
[23:20] <skinux> Don't I have to do that from shell?
[23:21] <daftykins> depends what desktop you're on i think
[23:23] <EriC^^> skinux: cp the nautilus.desktop file and prepend gksu
[23:23] <EriC^^> make it Exec=gksu nautilus %U
[23:23] <skinux> So, gksu.nautilus.desktop?
[23:23] <Ben64> sounds like a horrible idea
[23:24] <Ben64> you should not be running nautilus as root at all
[23:25] <skinux> Well, I'd have to in order to move/copy a file or directory to /var/www or /opt/ using nautilus.
[23:25] <TiK> you can just do it in bash
[23:25] <skinux> I can, yes, but it is nice to be able to move files around using nautilus.
[23:26] <TiK> i guess
[23:26] <Ben64> skinux: you should set up /var/www so that you can copy to it with your own user, and there should not be a need to copy things so often into /opt that you need nautilus to always run as root
[23:26] <EriC^^> skinux: yes, call it what you want, change it's Name=nautilus to gksu-nautilus or something, and remove the --new-window from Exec=
[23:27] <daftykins> skinux: you should probably learn to do things the proper way.
[23:27] <EriC^^> btw nautilus should have a warning that says it's open with privileges, kind of odd it doesn't have that O.o
[23:28] <daftykins> if you're going to start cutting corners with web admin and what not, you won't learn properly
[23:28] <EriC^^> other filemanagers have it
[23:28] <skinux> daftykins: And what is the proper way in this case?
[23:28] <daftykins> EriC^^: +1! perhaps it could be filed as a bug 0o
[23:28] <Latrodectus> skinux,  using root often opens your pc up to risk
[23:28] <daftykins> skinux: proper CLI file management
[23:29] <mothi> How can I install some other driver for my wi-fi dongle than rt2800usb?
[23:29] <mothi> Is there some guide somewhere
[23:30] <skinux> daftykins: Does that mean I should always be using shell if I need admin privileges, or that I should never put a file somewhere that needs admin privileges to do it?
[23:30] <EriC^^> skinux: first one
[23:31] <daftykins> skinux: ^ +1 - apparently ubuntu has the plan of removing all methods of running GUI apps with sudo / as root in future
[23:31] <daftykins> i don't see why it's so hard to "mv foo bar"
[23:31] <daftykins> you still often have to mess with permissions
[23:32] <Caybia> Hello?
[23:32] <skinux> How about this, if you want to move multiple files, but not the whole directory to another location, how do you do that in one command?
[23:32] <EriC^^> skinux: using the shell you'll have a more firm grasp on where stuff is and you'll be less prone to making mistakes too instead of dragging and dropping and whatnot
[23:32] <daftykins> skinux: mv file1 file2... :P
[23:32] <daftykins> or if they're named similarly, file*
[23:33] <EriC^^> ^ +1
[23:33] <daftykins> yep plus X doesn't belong on a server
[23:34] <bandsmell> I heard Microsoft was buying ubuntu.
[23:35] <daftykins> bandsmell: only if the Barbie deal goes through
[23:37] <bandsmell> For a billion dollars. Money will talk. They say it's better to buy the competition and crush them that way.
[23:37] <daftykins> bandsmell: ok enough rubbish now, support questions only thanks. silly chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:39] <gammaraid> Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me install python 3.2.3 on ubuntu and get a virtual env running? Whenver I try to do apt-get python3 I only get python 3.4
[23:40] <bandsmell> gammaraid: You running an app that needs an older version
[23:40] <OerHeks> gammaraid, python 3.4 is installed standard, why do you need that old version from 2012?
[23:41] <gammaraid> bandsmell - our web server runs 3.2.3 and right now my version works on my comp (running 3.4) but not on the server running 3.2.3
[23:41] <gglescience2> oi brasil -'
[23:41] <gammaraid> so I think it might be part of the issue.
[23:41] <gammaraid> and I can't change the server version
[23:41] <daftykins> !br | gglescience2
[23:41] <gammaraid> oldheks also see above as to why ^__^
[23:41] <gammaraid> oerheks sorry*
[23:42] <spaceindaver> Hi all, I am running Ubuntu 14.10 64bit and just found a log called unity7.log with a file size of over 20GB. It seems to be filled with line after line of "Did not understand "" please try again:". Any idea what could be causing this or how to track it?
[23:43] <k1l_> spaceindaver: where is that logfile located?
[23:43] <spaceindaver> In ~/.cache/upstart/
[23:44] <daftykins> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1240848
[23:44] <OerHeks> gammaraid, sorry, never heard of bandsmell
[23:45] <gammaraid> oerheks haha sorry that is not our server that was the first guy I was replying to
[23:45] <gammaraid> the reason I'm using python 3.2.3 or need to rather is because that's what the server my code is going to run on is running
[23:46] <spaceindaver> daftykins: Yeah, I saw that but I did not remove logrotate
[23:46] <caybrennelson> Hello?
[23:46] <daftykins> caybrennelson: ? got a support question?
[23:46] <daftykins> spaceindaver: have you installed packages from a different version as one reply suggests?
[23:46] <bandsmell> gammaraid: search for it and install the version you want yourself. You can have multiple versions installed
[23:47] <caybrennelson> Yes. I am trying to install WinE on a computer with no network connection.
[23:47] <gammaraid> bandsmell yah i finally went back to one answer i found on google and resolved another issue that was stopping me from doing it
[23:47] <gammaraid> and am doing it now
[23:47] <gammaraid> I am very bad at linuxing
[23:47] <spaceindaver> daftykins: not that I am aware of, I reinstalled my OS last weekend so I basically on a fresh install
[23:48] <EriC^^> caybrennelson: can't you hook it up to an ethernet or something?
[23:49] <daftykins> spaceindaver: have you tried removing the file, restarting, then watching the file for which program you run causes it to be spammed again?
[23:50] <caybrennelson> No, not at the moment.But see,  I have the .tar.bz on the computer for WinE, but I need some type of directory  program just called "make".
[23:50] <gammaraid> Thanks for help
[23:51] <EriC^^> spaceindaver: ^ +1, maybe lsof | grep ~/.cache/upstart/unity7.log would show what has it opened
[23:51] <caybrennelson> daftykins: I also need flex v. 2.5.33 or later and bison.
[23:51] <spaceindaver> daftykins: I have deleted the file, I suppose my only option is to keep an eye on it in the future and try to figure out what is spamming the log
[23:51] <daftykins> caybrennelson: don't tell me!
[23:51] <mmercer> anyone know if there is a ppa or authentic source for openvas 7 packages for ubuntu ?
[23:51] <daftykins> spaceindaver: yes as mentioned
[23:52] <mmercer> seems amazing that its been out since august and still not very well deployable
[23:52] <gskellig> Can someone help me reinstall grub? I thought my data was wiped but its still there and I can access it from a livecd
[23:52] <EriC^^> gskellig: have you booted a live usb/cd?
[23:52] <spaceindaver> EriC^^:Excellent, thanks. I'm sure that will come in handy when I see it happening again
[23:52] <gskellig> Yes
[23:52] <caybrennelson> daftykins: what?
[23:53] <gskellig> Eric^^: its EFI too I dontknow if that matters
[23:53] <daftykins> caybrennelson: you highlighted me when i wasn't talking to you :)
[23:53] <EriC^^> ( spaceindaver ok use /home/<user> instead of ~ my bad )
[23:53] <EriC^^> gskellig: ok, type sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:53] <gskellig> Lol ok
[23:53] <etronik> Hi all!  I just setup xrdp and can make a connection from Win7 to my Ubuntu box, but opening LibreOffice kills the connection (maybe crashes the xfce4 used for the session?) any ideas ? TIA
[23:53] <caybrennelson> daftykins: Oh. I thought we were. I have no idea how this IRC thing works.
[23:54] <spaceindaver> Come to think of it, I was converting a blender file to an Ogre mesh at the time so maybe there is just a problem with that. It was running very slowly so that was probably because of all the spam, I'll try it again and see if it starts spamming
[23:54] <spaceindaver> Is there anything I can do to stop a program from spamming it?
[23:54] <gskellig_> if you're going to want me to pastebin i should probably be on irc from the computer
[23:54] <johnja> I'm having a bit of trouble with my desktop running Ubuntu 14.04.  It locked up on me today and when I try to reboot, it fails.  When I try to boot in recovery mode the last line I see before it stops is:
[23:54] <EriC^^> gskellig_: you need to have a net connection on the pc
[23:55] <gskellig_> i do
[23:55] <gskellig_> im ready
[23:55] <daftykins> spaceindaver: close said program :)
[23:55] <EriC^^> gskellig_: ok, type sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[23:55] <johnja> [    3.020781] Switched to clocksource tsc
[23:55] <johnja> What does this mean?
[23:55] <daftykins> johnja: gonna need a few more lines for context. likely display mode switching
[23:55] <gskellig_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10681268/
[23:55] <spaceindaver> daftykins: haha, what if I want to run to program but ignore logged output?
[23:56] <daftykins> spaceindaver: cross that bridge when you come to it.
[23:56] <EriC^^> gskellig_: type sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[23:56] <EriC^^> gskellig_: and sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi
[23:56] <gskellig_> EriC^^: done
[23:57] <johnja> before clocksource tsc is hid-generic 0003:046d:C225.0003
[23:57] <EriC^^> gskellig_: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[23:57] <johnja> before that is input: G11 Keyboard
[23:57] <spaceindaver> daftykins: Interesting, I ran it there and it completed in under 10 seconds while it took 2 hours earlier on. This time I ran it from a terminal, last time I ran it directly from blender. Now I have a workaround :-) Thanks for the help!!
[23:58] <johnja> before that is some usb stuff
[23:58] <gskellig_> sorry
[23:58] <gskellig_> EriC^^: you lost me..
[23:58] <gskellig_> oh haha i think i get it
[23:59] <gskellig_> EriC^^: sudo mount -b /dev /mnt/dev etc?
[23:59] <EriC^^> lol you thought im being like shakespear or something ? to mount or not to mount
[23:59] <gskellig_> for a sec yeah lol
[23:59] <EriC^^> yeah it loops through them and mounts them


[01:00] <n-iCe> Hi guys
[01:01] <n-iCe> Is there a huge difference in performance between ubuntu stock and xubuntu?
[01:04] <taza> Hey my 18.04 install has the brightness buttons pop up an UI component, but not actually change brightness
[01:08] <taza> It's an ul30vt with both intel and nvidia graphics, which might do it
[01:20] <taza> Hokay and now I get no X.
[01:21] <taza> I can still magic into console but no X at all. How do I revert drivers from command line?
[01:22] <taza> Duh, purge the package.
[01:23] <Kumool> what are you trying to do? get wayland to work?
[01:24] <Kumool> ah
[01:24] <taza> I installed fresh xubuntu, noticed my brightness control did nothing, installed proprietary nvidia drivers, and got a delightful black screen and X not starting
[01:24] <Kumool> haha
[01:24] <Kumool> welcome to linux
[01:24] <taza> Known problem?
[01:25] <Kumool> well, dont use proprietary drivers
[01:25] <taza> ... I knew how to magic my way to terminal, give me some credit here
[01:25] <taza> I'm not giving Nouveau any credit it hasn't deserved; by which I mean any credit at all
[01:26] <Kumool> !give credits+1 to taza
[01:26] <taza> Funny thing is the same closed driver works fine under mainline Ubuntu.
[01:27] <Kumool> its beyond me, if this was bsd i could just zap into console, install xinit and try to launch and mess with Xorg config, but in linux everything is different
[01:27] <Kumool> gonna have to hang around for a proper answer
[01:27] <Kumool> or go to #ubuntu
[01:27] <taza> If this was BSD I wouldn't try to install X
[01:27] <Kumool> hey, BSD is fantastic
[01:27] <taza> Given it works under Ubuntu and doesn't under Xubuntu, odds are short I'll see help
[01:28] <Kumool> ah
[01:28] <Kumool> maybe a dev will see your problem
[01:28] <taza> The brightness thing works under neither which is why I went "man I hate gnome and troubleshooting anything under it"
[01:28]  * Kumool goes back to his hole
[01:29] <Kumool> are you running redshift?
[01:29] <Kumool> or w\e its called
[01:29] <taza> Fresh Xubuntu install, nothin' but drivers installed thus far
[01:30] <taza> Also yeah I wouldn't install X under BSD
[01:30] <Kumool> y not tho?
[01:30] <taza> Use cases where I want desktop and not apt are 0
[01:31] <Kumool> not apt?
[01:31] <Kumool> you mean the package manager?
[01:31] <taza> yerpo
[01:31] <taza> And preferably the Ubuntu or at least Debian packages.
[01:32] <Kumool> dude, theres better package managers out there than apt
[01:32] <taza> Ubuntu's come a long way from the times the package manager insisted OpenOffice.org was a part of the kernel
[01:32] <taza> I remember those times like they were yesterday
[01:32] <taza> Incidentally what day is it
[01:32] <Kumool> and freebsd has pkg, which works fine
[01:33] <Kumool> pkg install Xorg
[01:33] <Kumool> and there ya go
[01:33] <taza> Yeah but why would I?
[01:33] <Kumool> I'm not saying you should, just saying, you should try to config Xorg via console and see
[01:34] <taza> Yeah but why would I sully a functional, stable BSD install with X?
[01:35] <Kumool> because consoles are terrible
[01:35] <taza> Are you talking about BSD in #xubuntu because you got hounded out of BSD communities for the heresy?
[01:36] <Kumool> its been 40 years and people still use terminals like if they were amazing, they're not
[01:37] <taza> Plus it's a BSD setup, if I ever see output other than a terminal I probably am getting it through a 1202 or audio pipe and neither need X.
[01:38] <Kumool> have no clue what those are
[01:38] <taza> Then maybe your distaste for terminals is not having seen enough bad GUI implementations?
[01:38] <Kumool> I've seen bad GUI implementations
[01:38] <Kumool> I've also seen good GUI implementations
[01:38] <taza> Yeah but you're clearly not an expert.
[01:39] <Kumool> I've also seen bash
[01:39] <Kumool> exactly
[01:39] <Kumool> I'm not
[01:39] <Kumool> nobody is
[01:40] <taza> I mean, I dunno, I've been here since we didn't have GUIs for a lot of this.
[01:40] <taza> I'm mostly asking 'cause someone might already know what's wrong since, well, whatever this Nvidia setup ain't exactly rare.
[01:41] <taza> Optimus, that's it
[01:42] <Kumool> well, you did get X to work no? it was just the brightness that was off?
[01:42] <taza> Currently testing
[02:06] <taza> /sys/class/backlight has an asus entry that does nothing, and an intel entry that does.
[02:26] <n-iCe> Is there a tool to manage monitors/displays?
[02:48] <Kumool> Settings > Display
[03:04] <taza> BTW Kumool it took this long to fix things but I did
[03:04] <taza> Linux yay?
[03:04] <Kumool> yay
[03:04] <Kumool> its a low battery yay
[03:05] <taza> Bluetooth still isn't working right but I think it might be a version mismatch
[13:09] <xubuntu03w> Hi there! I'm trying to set up a dual screen setup on my laptop with a monitor, so I can extend the desktop.
[13:09] <xubuntu03w> It detects the monitor, however it only renders a wallpaper.
[13:09] <xubuntu03w> Any suggestions to what the problem might be? Would be much appreciated.
[13:25] <xubuntu03w> Nevermind, turns out the resolution difference between both screens was hiding the task bar.
[13:25] <xubuntu03w> Thanks anyways!
[16:47] <xubuntu36w> Hello. What is the best GUI for software installation and de-installation? I used to use the Software Center, but that has disappeared in the new version.
[16:48] <diogenes_> synaptic
[16:51] <xubuntu36w> Thanks.  I installed it, and have de-installed a program with it. Are there others?
[16:53] <xubuntu36w> I thought the Software Center was simpler to use, meaning: you knew right away what you were installing. In Synaptic, you get a bunch of files and you must be sure to pick the right one.
[16:55] <diogenes_> try gnome-software
[16:59] <xubuntu36w> I will try that one, also. Thanks, Diogenes!
[23:56] <Guest91169> !14/04
[23:56] <Guest91169> !14.04
[23:56] <Guest91169> !xubuntu
[23:57] <Guest91169> !xfce