[01:08] <hggdh> I point out that if you use this response you are required to adjust the package
[03:06] <crom> Hi...I'm trying to "hciconfig -a hci0 up" and I get the error "Can't init device hci0: Unknown error 132 (132)"     any idea?
[03:10] <crom> hi....any one there?
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> If u have a question ask it
[03:12] <crom> i did.... but.... Hi...I'm trying to "hciconfig -a hci0 up" and I get the error "Can't init device hci0: Unknown error 132 (132)"     any idea?
[03:12] <nigelb> !support
[03:12] <ubot2> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[03:12] <nigelb> This is only a channel for reporting and triaging bugs.
[03:13] <crom> yeah, i know....and from that channel I was sent to this one
[03:13] <crom> some one told me that it was a bug
[03:14] <bcurtiswx> Crom, search bugs.launchpad.net to see for your issue
[03:16] <crom> thanks
[05:36] <somethinginteres> is there a way to make a debdiff from the file attachted to a debian bug report e.g. 'tmpi1kkQT'. I have been asked to make a debdiff and attach it to the LP bug report but I've had to reformat and no longer have the original file from the 'apt-get source' I ran
[05:53] <hggdh> somethinginteres: you can run 'pull-lp-source <package> <distro>
[05:53] <hggdh> like pull-lp-source coreutils lucid
[05:54] <hggdh> pull-lp-source is in the python-software-properties package
[05:54]  * hggdh calls it a day
[06:11] <micahg> somethinginteres: hggdh: actually, it's in ubuntu-dev-tools
[06:43] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[06:56] <cmxued> sup peeps
[06:56] <cmxued> I created a thread on the ubuntu forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440142 some time ago, before the release of Lucid
[06:57] <dandel> i'm looking to request a sync after debian import freeze, however i'm not exactly certain as to the steps to take.
[06:57] <cmxued> It appears that this could possibly be a bug but I am not sure what package to log it under, can anyone assist me?
[06:58] <maco> dandel: the requestsync script could help
[06:58] <dandel> maco, request sync?
[06:58] <dandel> it's a package that doesn't exist.
[06:59] <dandel> libva
[06:59] <maco> dandel: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[06:59] <micahg> dandel: in ubuntu--dev-tolls
[06:59] <micahg> *tools
[06:59] <micahg> dandel: libva is in maverick already
[06:59] <maco> micahg: are you the debian micah or are there two micahs?
[06:59] <dandel> is it... i couldn't find it in the package site.
[06:59] <micahg> maco: multiple probably :)
[06:59] <maco> dandel: packages.ubuntu.com is not working for maverick i think
[07:00] <maco> dandel: i suggest using rmadison instead
[07:00] <micahg> dandel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libva
[07:00] <maco> thats in the devscripts package
[07:00] <micahg> dandel: did you file the bug about it?
[07:00]  * micahg updated that bug
[07:00] <dandel> yea
[07:01] <dandel> it's for a backport, and actually, ffmpeg has a build dependency on that.
[07:01] <micahg> cmxued: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[07:02] <cmxued> micahg: ta, ill take a look
[07:02] <maco> dandel: a backport and a sync are two different things
[07:03] <dandel> i didn't find the libva on the archive download site so i could build on ubuntu 10.04.
[07:05] <dandel> micahg, i was trying to get libva from the archive.ubuntu.com, however the libva folder is empty.
[07:05] <micahg> dandel: install ubuntu-dev-tools: pull-lp-source libva
[07:05] <maco> wait woah whats this wrapper?
[07:05] <maco> ubuntu-dev-tools has a bunch of new things i dont know about
[07:06] <maco> cmxued: is it only with fullscreen?
[07:07] <maco> cmxued: or do 1024x768 windows play video while you're at high res?
[07:07] <cmxued> maco: even when the app, for example vlc is not maximised, the video is blank
[07:08] <cmxued> maco: the video only appears after I run my xranr commands
[07:08] <maco> mmm ok
[07:08] <cmxued> maco: found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/DynamicMultiMonitor
[07:09] <cmxued> maco: but you shouldnt have to do this, it should be built in
[07:10] <cmxued> maco: so my question remains, if this is a bug, do I log it under xrandr?
[07:11] <maco> its a bug in xorg
[07:11] <maco> or well looks like one
[07:11] <maco> this is only in vlc or other players too?
[07:11] <cmxued> maco: does not make a difference what player
[07:12] <cmxued> its all video
[07:12] <cmxued> basically, until I turn off the netbook screen and turn it back on.  I have just made use of xranr to control where I want my screens and at what resolution after I turn it back on
[07:13] <cmxued> So I guess I'll just log a bug under xorg and update my thread with Jerry's neat start up script
[07:15] <cmxued> Thanks for the lead micahg, maco
[07:17] <maco> k yeah id say xorg then
[07:18] <maco> if it was only certain players id guess gstreamer v. xine v. vlc etc
[07:18] <cmxued> yeah, certainly all video regardless of the player
[07:34] <cmxued> maco: Bug Reported -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/614921
[07:34] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614921 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Video playback blank at 1900 x 1200 resolution (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[08:07] <somethinginteres> micahg: so the only solution is for me is to re-do the changes and create a debdiff from that - I was hoping to not have to do that.. oh well, no biggy
[08:08] <vish> somethinginteres: hey there , yeah , what micahg mentioned ;)
[08:09] <vish> somethinginteres: was just about to comment on the bug
[08:29] <stanley_robertso> hi vish
[08:29] <vish> stanley_robertso: hey
[08:45] <somethinginteres> vish: cool cool I should use pull-lp-source acm mavrick - right, since mavrick is the current focus of the 100 papercuts?
[08:45] <vish> somethinginteres: yup for maverick
[08:52] <maco> somethinginteres: there's an "e" in maverick
[08:52] <somethinginteres> maco: yeah - typo, thanks :)
[08:53] <maco> aww crap
[08:53] <maco> battery died in the middle of an upgrade to maverick
[08:53] <maco> kernel panic on boot :(
[08:54] <micahg> somethinginteres: pull-lp-source defaults to the devel release
[08:55] <maco> hmm seems to me that pull-lp-source should use bzr, but the manpage sounds like it's a dget
[08:55] <micahg> maco: not everything is in bzr yet
[08:59] <somethinginteres> micahg: kk
[09:44] <somethinginteres> you're all going to have to excuse my n00bness. I've made the changes to the relevant files pulled from pull-lp-source, I've run debuild -S now I'm trying to create the debdiff file itself. What's the best way to do this? I'm a little confused by the presumably simple walkthough :)
[09:45] <micahg> somethinginteres: debdiff :)
[09:46] <somethinginteres> like this 'debdiff acm_5.0-27ubuntu1.dsc acm_5.0-27ubuntu2.dsc > acm_5.0-27ubuntu2.debdiff'?
[09:46] <micahg> somethinginteres: yep
[09:47] <somethinginteres> yigats I hope I have it right :P there where two .dsc files in the folder one 'ubuntu1' and one 'ubuntu2' so I figured I should check, thanks
[09:49] <micahg> somethinginteres: well, generally debdiff dev_version.dsc your_version.dsc >  my_debdiff.dff
[09:56] <somethinginteres> micag: no worries, should be all good. Thanks
[10:55] <khuno> bonjour !
[10:55] <khuno> hello !
[10:55] <yofel> !hi
[10:56] <ubot2> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-bugs! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[10:56] <khuno> hm
[10:56] <khuno> quelqu'un parle français ?
[10:56] <devildante> marhaban :p
[10:56] <yofel> !fr
[10:56] <ubot2> Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[10:56] <khuno> c'est pour signaler un bug.
[10:56]  * micahg has to remember that factoid :)
[10:56] <khuno> go to #ubuntu-fr.
[10:57] <yofel> I know we have french speaking people here, I can remember who though :/
[10:57] <devildante> yofel: Je parle français :)
[10:57] <yofel> ah :)
[10:57] <khuno> je tente ici ?
[10:58] <devildante> khuno: quel est ton problème?
[10:58] <khuno> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 7100 GS] (rev a1)  <-
[10:58] <khuno> quand j'installe les pilotes nvidia la carte graph n'envoit plus aucun signal.
[10:58] <khuno> est ce lié à ma carte ? au pilote nvidia proprio ?
[10:58] <jfi> khuno, ce canal est pas dedie au support mais plutot a la gestion des bugs, utilisations de launchpad, etc
[10:59] <khuno> depuis la 10 impossible d'installer le driver.
[10:59] <jfi> khuno, pour le support, le mieux est de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr
[10:59] <khuno> jfi: ça ressemble à un bug non ?
[10:59] <khuno> c'est pas une histoire de mauvaise configuration..
[10:59] <jfi> khuno, oui, mais tu es pas sur le bon canal la:)
[10:59] <khuno> okok =)
[10:59] <khuno> sorry.
[10:59] <devildante> khuno: vas à #ubuntu-fr :)
[11:00] <abhijit> hello
[11:22] <vish> somethinginteres: hmm , you took out the whole description
[11:22] <vish> the first line is the short description
[11:23] <vish> the second line after "Description:" is where the package description starts
[11:24] <l3dx> I keep getting mails when wiki-pages are updated. I don't want them, and I cannot remember how I got them in the first place. Does anyone know? :)
[11:24] <vish> somethinginteres: the short description sounds fine , what your patch would do is , remove the whole description that occurs in SC
[11:24] <l3dx> my wiki user-account has no registered expressions for wikipages
[11:25] <vish> l3dx: unsubscribe to the bugsquad mailing list
[11:26] <l3dx> is it part of the bugsquad list? hm. guess I'll just have to filter them to a separate label or something then
[11:26] <l3dx> thanks
[12:27] <somethinginteres> vish: really? How so?
[12:35] <somethinginteres> vish: ah, wait. I see. I'll fix it
[13:13] <vish> somethinginteres: could you add a little more info about it than jsut having one line?
[13:25] <somethinginteres> vish: could do. I just added what was suggested by the submitter - I'll expand on it tonight gotta head off for a bit
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[13:33] <devildante> stanley: hi
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> hi devildante
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> wassup
[13:34] <devildante> stanley: all is fine :)
[13:35] <stanley_robertso> devildante, cool
[13:54] <stanley_robertso> hi all.. iam back
[14:03] <penguin42> Hi SR
[14:22] <somethinginteres> vish: This is taken from the game's site and README file, http://paste.ubuntu.com/474954/ thoughts? I am thinking the last two points may be too nerdy to include, let me know. Thanks
[14:25] <vish> somethinginteres: wow! nice work! , yeah it would need a bit of an edit .. let me edit and pastebin
[14:26] <somethinginteres>  vish: no problem
[14:29] <vish> somethinginteres: just a minor edit, no need to repeat the package name in the description , http://paste.ubuntu.com/474956/ , pretty good work with the description! :)
[14:31] <vish> somethinginteres: when you upload the debdiff , be sure to delete the old diffs and forward this new one to debian too
[14:32] <vish> somethinginteres: when you are writing other descriptions , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/PackageDescriptions might be useful too
[15:16] <somethinginteres> vish: how do I remove the other debdiffs? I presume when I submittodebian I unlink the current report from LP and link the new one?
[15:21] <vish> somethinginteres: i dont think we can delete from debian , but we can delete in launchpad
[15:22] <vish> somethinginteres: in lp see under "attachments" , you will have a link to "edit" , once you click that you can delete from lp
[16:01] <njin> hello, can someone help with this bug 380471 seems that this person have the disk that is going bad looking at syslog
[16:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 380471 in ubuntu "Movie Player crashes the system (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380471
[16:03] <penguin42> njin: Well, from the xorg.0.log he's running the firegl ati drivers, so I'd suggest filing it against that
[16:04] <njin> penguin42: hello, i file against then, but all these error on syslog ?
[16:06] <penguin42> njin: Hmm that looks like a hardware problem - bad sata cable maybe; you could ask him to try and fix that first?
[16:07] <yofel> njin: why did you mark the bug invalid btw? The reporter only said that he doesn't know if it happens on lucid, that's because he's still running jaunty and we still support that
[16:09] <njin_> penguin42: sorry, connection problems
[16:10] <yofel> njin_: why did you mark the bug invalid btw? The reporter only said that he doesn't know if it happens on lucid, that's because he's still running jaunty and we still support that
[16:10] <yofel> So until we get some steps to reproduce this the bug is Incomplete, but not Invalid
[16:11] <penguin42> njin: Hmm that looks like a hardware problem - bad sata cable maybe; you could ask him to try and fix that first?
[16:11] <yofel> well, the steps are there, but I guess nobody reproduced it yet
[16:12] <njin_> ok
[16:15]  * penguin42 wonders why chromium has decided the right program to open a .log file with is notepad under wine
[16:15] <BUGabundo> lolol
[16:16] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[16:18] <penguin42> njin_: The other file you might have asked for is Xorg.0.log.old which is the previous Xorg.0.log so if you take this when you restart just after a crash it might show what happened if you are lucky
[16:19] <njin_> penguin42: ok, i'll remember, now i acconseil to verify his hardware and make a backup
 njin: Hmm that looks like a hardware problem - bad sata cable maybe; you could ask him to try and fix that first?
[16:25]  * penguin42 looks at jfi
[16:25] <jfi> which line means that it is a sata cable issue? I have the same kind of errors on my server
[16:27] <penguin42> jfi: Well the fact it's ata2 is ide or sata; there are lots of SATA link down and it flipping between 1.5Gbps and 3.0Gbps so that looks like link level rather than a sector error
[16:28] <penguin42> jfi: There is also something about SError: { CommWake 10B8B DevExch } - now I don't know much about SATA, but I know 10B8B is a comment serial encoding, so if it's having problems at that level it's all low level
[16:31] <jfi> ok, so I am going to change my cable before reporting the bug (in my case I reproduce it when the disk is turn on after being idle with hdparm -S100)
[16:31] <jfi> thx
[16:32] <penguin42> his errors are pretty close in time, so I doubt it's that type of power on/off - although if it's an agressive power save it could be
[16:35] <jfi> I have the same sequence each 1 or 2s after the power on, it is an infinite loop, I had to manually power off/on the disk each time
[16:37] <njin_> someone can take a hand with this bug388943
[16:41] <charlie-tca> bug 388943
[16:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 388943 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "chown all local drives to current user (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388943
[16:46] <Phantomas> I am translating server documentation and found a bug: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/lamp-overview.html
[16:46] <Phantomas> In the list, the third line says: "Depending on where the source was extracted, configure a web browser to serve the files."  I guess it should be configure a web server to serve the files, as web browsers don't serve files
[16:47] <charlie-tca> njin: bug 388943, The source should have been changed to "dolphin", which is the file manager the bug is reported against.
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 388943 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "chown all local drives to current user (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388943
[16:48] <njin> charlie-tca:thanks i changed the router
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I would mark the bug either low or wishlist, confirmed, since the reporter is asking that permissions as a feature in Ubuntu be changed. He is correct, you can not mount anything in /media as the user
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Yet, you should be able to if you were the owner in any other OS
[16:50] <njin> charlie-tca: but my replies aren't right  ?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Tĥey are correct if the issue is one of security, but you should have changed the "affects" when telling how to find the right package. As for windows, it does not apply
[16:52] <charlie-tca> What he is asking for, is default already in other linux distributions, but not in Ubuntu.
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Therefore, it is a valid wishlist bug for Ubuntu
[16:53] <njin> But i think that the security policy of ubuntu are better than others
[16:53] <charlie-tca> You could even ask for the specific distributions that do this, but the bug is valid
[16:54] <njin> ok i accept your decision.
[16:54] <charlie-tca> If I have a /home in Fedora, and I move that to Ubuntu, I should be allowed to access the files as the user. Instead, in Ubuntu, I can only access them as root?
[16:56] <penguin42> woah - that very much depends what's on them
[16:56] <penguin42> you might have multiple users on that drive
[16:56] <charlie-tca> His point is valid, he should be able to access those files of his as the user, if he could previously. However, it would take some kind of magic through the install
[16:57] <charlie-tca> I never it would be easy to implement. But the argument the reporter gives is valid
[16:58] <charlie-tca> s/never it/ never said it
[16:59] <njin> s/never it/ never said it what means ?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> penguin42: note I said "If I have". Not if there are multiple users...
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Instead of <charlie-tca> I never it would be easy to implement. But the argument the reporter gives is valid
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I meant to say "I never said it would be easy to implement."
[17:00] <penguin42> njin: s/something/other is a syntax used in vi to mean a search/replace - people use it to mean a correction in irc as well
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Just because it is difficult to make it happen, does not make a bug invalid.
[17:01] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Hmm the only things I could really suggest as a solution would be a right menu option of change-all-permissions to me or an import drive thing
[17:02] <njin> users and group is not helpful in this case ?
[17:02] <hggdh> somethinginteres, micahg: heh, indeed. I was thinking of pull-lp-source, and gave the package for add-apt-repository. Sorry.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> That's why it is a valid wishlist. It could be done at a future date, since it is not something that will happen easily
[17:03] <charlie-tca> penguin42: Ours is not to try to give a solution always. We triage the bugs for the developers to be able to work on solutions
[17:04] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Yeh
[17:04] <charlie-tca> njin: no, users and group is not helpful, because even if the reporter was the previous owner, he no longer owns the files in /media
[17:05] <njin> ok
[17:05] <hggdh> keep in mind that the *name* of an user (or group) is not really important -- it is the numeric userId (or groupId) that is important
[17:06] <charlie-tca> We do not have to give a solution or workaround for every bug. We just try to get enough information for the developers to be able to try to resolve the issue later.
[17:06] <njin> good.
[17:06] <njin> charlie-tca: then triage you this ?, i can only confirm
[17:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:07] <njin> ubuntu-bugs is a well site to stay !
[17:09] <charlie-tca> done
[17:10] <charlie-tca> njin: Can you understand why I think it is valid wishlist now?
[17:10] <njin> yes.
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:10]  * hggdh hugs charlie-tca
[17:10] <hggdh> :-)
[17:11]  * charlie-tca learned from the best! Thanks, hggdh
[17:35] <darran> hey
[17:35] <darran> can someone here mark a bug sa wishlist?
[17:35] <darran> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/615033
[17:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615033 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can't choose where to install grub in ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:35] <darran> believe that one is wishlist
[17:44] <hggdh> darran: so you have confirmed there is no way for choosing where to install Grub?
[17:45] <darran> i havent been able to confirm yet
[17:45] <darran> i am trying to run the installer in a virtual machine
[17:45] <darran> but its crashing
[17:46] <darran> i will see if its under advanced options when i get to that page
[17:46] <darran> hggdh
[17:46] <darran> do you know if ubiquity is different than the standard installer?
[17:47] <hggdh> drizzle: I monstly live in the server world, where the installer is the debian-installer...
[17:47] <drizzle> understood
[17:48] <hggdh> so the d-i is the standard isntaller for me. So, yes, ubiquity is different ;-)
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Ubiquity is the standard installer for the destkop cd
[17:48] <hggdh> thanks, charlie-tca
[17:48] <drizzle> im using the installer rightnow
[17:48] <drizzle> there is no way to specify grub location using the installer
[17:48] <drizzle> its not under advanced settings either
[17:49] <charlie-tca> That is correct
[17:49] <charlie-tca> To choose where to install grub, you need the alternate image
[17:49] <charlie-tca> To the best of my memory
[17:49] <hggdh> drizzle: good: you have confirmed there is no option in the standard installer for choose where to put grub
[17:49] <hggdh> now
[17:50] <hggdh> if there *is* such an option on the alternate installer, then this is not a bug
[17:50] <hggdh> but a choice
[17:50] <penguin42> By 'where' do you mean mbr or partition or directory?
[17:50] <drizzle> i saw a forum post that recommended the alternate installer
[17:51] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/615033
[17:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615033 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can't choose where to install grub in ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:51] <drizzle> that is the bug penguin42
[17:52] <penguin42> that's a pretty common requirement for dual booting people isn't it?
[17:52] <drizzle> hmm
[17:52] <drizzle> i guess i need to wait on this one
[17:52] <drizzle> i have installed on dual boot many times
[17:53] <drizzle> but i choose automatic installation typically
[17:53]  * penguin42 should try the new installer
[17:54] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/614936
[17:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614936 in eog (Ubuntu) "Unable to save as .gif (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:54] <drizzle> is a support question i reckon
[17:55] <penguin42> I guess it could be a wishlist; but you could advise to use gimp or something else to do it in the interim
[17:55] <penguin42> (personally I'd use ImageMagick's convert )
[17:56] <drizzle> it looks like its been logged a few imes
[18:06] <drizzle> guys
[18:06] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/614936
[18:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614936 in eog (Ubuntu) "Unable to save as .gif (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:06] <drizzle> is upstream and wad
[18:07] <drizzle> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103953
[18:07] <ubot2> Gnome bug 103953 in general "Save as does not work for gif files" [Normal,Resolved: notabug]
[18:12] <hggdh> but the gnome bug was closed not-a-bug
[18:13] <hggdh> a looong time ago...
[18:14] <hggdh> even more: what Ubntu version, and what eog version? The OP does not say.
[18:14] <hggdh> drizzle: ^
[18:15] <drizzle> sorry
[18:15] <drizzle> should i ask him?
[18:15] <drizzle> even the newest version of eog is not supposed to support saving gif by default
[18:15] <hggdh> yes, please. Be nice when asking ;-)
[18:16] <hggdh> drizzle: you confirmed, of course?
[18:17] <drizzle> yes
[18:17] <drizzle> it says on the project website
[18:17] <drizzle> http://projects.gnome.org/eog/
[18:18] <hggdh> hum. yes indeed. Now, is there a plugin to do it?
[18:21] <hggdh> no, there is not, at least not documented in the home page
[18:22] <hggdh> so this would be a WishList, and a new upstream should be opened (perhaps already there) asking for support for saving .gif
[18:44] <njin> hello, we have to solve the Laibsch - njin bug 376485
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 376485 in ubuntu ""Key stuck" after switching workspace in Gnome with Keyboard shortcut (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376485
[18:50] <hggdh> ni njin
[18:51] <hggdh> njin: Laibsch does have a point -- if you use the canned response bugs-without-a-package, you are also expected to assign the bug to a package
[18:51] <hggdh> and you did not ;-)
[18:53] <hggdh> My gut feeling is that this is associated with X somehow
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Isn't laibsch also bug-control?
[18:54] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I do not remember, let me check
[18:55] <hggdh> charlie-tca: heh. Indeed he is
[18:55] <hggdh> hum
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Then why isn't he assigning the correct package?
[18:55]  * charlie-tca shrugs
[18:55] <hggdh> I had a long chat with him yesterday, and I did point out about using "Ubuntu" as a package placeholder
[18:56] <hggdh> he *did* accept my arguments
[18:56] <charlie-tca> okay, it just seems like he is very quick to point out what everyone else does wrong
[18:56] <hggdh> so I expect he will be putting in a less-incorrect package from now on
[18:56] <charlie-tca> (at least in his opinion)
[18:57] <hggdh> he is. We also talked about that
[18:57] <hggdh> I also pointed out that being dry to the point of rudeness is not conductive to a good iteraction
[18:57]  * charlie-tca back to watching and learning
[18:58] <hggdh> no, no need to lurk. This type of discussion is actually extremely good for the lurkers-at-large to learn ;-)
[18:59] <hggdh> njin: do you understand my point?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I am sorry. I did not mean to interrupt the assistance here
[19:07] <hggdh> charlie-tca: you did not, at all. You actually made a good point -- and I hope my answer will sort of clarify that we (the bugsquad admins) do monitor and act
[19:08] <charlie-tca> yes, it does
[19:14] <njin> hggdh: no i don't understand, i have a little brain
[19:15] <njin> and i am old
[19:16]  * charlie-tca too
[19:16] <charlie-tca> (old with a little brain, that is)
[19:16] <njin> harlie-tca: i'm 44 YO
[19:17] <njin> or oy depend of the pain
[19:17] <charlie-tca> a young one, yet, then
[19:18] <njin> but i don't uderstand what hggdh said
[19:19] <charlie-tca> (at 44, I was just getting a journeyman plumber license, after 4 years of classes
[19:20] <njin> at 42  i've got a cervical disease so make attention at the posture in front of the monitor
[19:21]  * hggdh has gove past 50 some years ago...
[19:21] <vish> charlie-tca: journeyman?
[19:21] <hggdh> njin: what is your doubt?
[19:21]  * vish liked the show journeyman!
[19:21] <vish> which seems unfortunately cancelled :(
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Yeah, in Idaho, you apprentice, journeyman, contractor.
[19:22] <vish> Journeyman : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948538/
[19:23] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:24] <njin> hggdh: i'm thinking to assign the bug at xserver-xorg
[19:25] <njin> hggdh: He makes me excuse to hurt me
[19:25] <njin> I think that he's a good person that has a bad moment
[19:28] <hggdh> njin: I would say setting it to xserver-xorg-input-evdev would be more correct -- his is a problem with an input device (the keyboard)
[19:28] <hggdh> or to xserver-xorg-input-all, more generically
[19:29] <njin> and input-kbd
[19:29] <hggdh> njin: yes, even more to the point
[19:30] <hggdh> njin: but the important thing here is you have to assign a package when you use the canned response; if you are unsure, do not add the response, and ask for help
[19:30] <hggdh> and -- when you assign a package, add your reasoning as a comment, so that others may understand what made you do it
[19:31] <Darxus> Anybody know of a way to verify that /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf contains anything useful?  (Bug #615078)
[19:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615078 in povray (Ubuntu) "Character 101 (0x65) not found in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615078
[19:31] <njin> hggdh:ok, i assign the bug to xserver-xorg-input-kbd asking him to add apport collect -p xserver-xorg-input-kbd bugnumbre
[19:31] <hggdh> njin: perfect
[19:32] <njin> and give explication
[19:33] <vish> njin: btw , scim is no longer installed by default
[19:33] <vish> we now use Ibus , you could mention that on the bug too
[19:34] <vish> njin: in Laibsch's bug he mentions scim
[19:35] <njin> but he is talkig about jaunty, and at that time there was already ibus?
[19:35] <vish> njin: nope , we switch i think for karmic
[19:37] <Darxus> This looks like a useful answer to my question:  $ convert -background lightblue -fill blue -pointsize 48   -font /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf label:test fonttest.png
[19:37] <penguin42> ImageMagick solves all problems not solved by duck tape and symlinks
[19:39] <hggdh> Darxus: I do not have a 10.04, but on 10.10 the 0x0065 displays correctly
[19:41] <Darxus> hggdh: Thanks.  That's pretty bizarre.  I also tested compiling from upstream source and got the same problem.
[19:41] <hggdh> Darxus: at least on fontforge
[19:41] <hggdh> Darxus: which is to say: I ran fontforge, and loaded /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf. 0x0065 is there
[19:41] <Darxus> hggdh: Ahh, okay, thanks.
[20:08] <njin> i've got a problem with launchpad, i've received the emails of the attachment of the reporter, but at the bug page nothings appear bug 371028
[20:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 371028 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 9.04 mounting issue digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message, after mounts and launch twice (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371028
[20:11] <yofel> njin: you mean the attachements in comments 12-14 or was something added after you assigned the bug to the kernel?
[20:11] <njin> no before that i assign the bug
[20:13] <njin> yofel: the step 16 is done by the reporter, but nothing appear on the page
[20:14] <njin> yofel: nothing, my brain is smaller than that i think
[20:15] <njin> these mails are for the reported lines, sorry
[20:38] <njin> i have to assign a bug to the gnome-volume-control, i choose the package from the search box, but when i click save it return the error: u'Package gnome-volume-control not published in Ubuntu'
[20:41] <charlie-tca> That's because the source is gnome-media
[20:43] <charlie-tca> njin: I use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search to find the right source packages
[20:44] <njin> charlie-tca: i use the triangle in the jellow bar
[20:44] <charlie-tca> When you try gnome-media?
[20:46] <njin> charlie-tca: now works, but why we have gnome-volume-control with the same source and don't work
[20:47] <charlie-tca> It doesn't exist as a separate package in ubuntu. gnome-volume-control-pulse is part of the gnome-media source packages
[20:47] <charlie-tca> You have binaries and you have source code. The affects is the source code package, which may not be the same name as the binary package.
[20:48] <njin> no, i'm talking about launchpad
[20:49] <njin> I have to report this bug ?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know where you are getting the gnome-volume-control from. When I search launchpad for packages, I do not see that package. I get "gnome-media" instead.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I don't think that is a bug. I think gnome-volume-control is an old package or it is used for upstream reports.
[20:50] <njin> charlie-tca: open a bug, in the yellow bar there's a triangle, click it and click choose and type gnome-volume-control
[20:50] <charlie-tca> If it is upstream, you can find it, but it will not be valid in ubuntu.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> That does not make it a valid source for Ubuntu.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> There are many upstream packages that you can not use as Ubuntu source packages
[20:51] <njin> yes is not valid , it propose it but don't accept
[20:52] <njin> ah, ok
[20:52] <njin> then i will use your link, thanks
[20:52] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:53] <njin> Is one honour
[20:57] <hggdh> one easy way for finding which package carries a file is by using apt-file: apt-file search gnome-volume-control
[21:25] <drizzle> guys
[21:25] <drizzle> what do we do if something is a partial duplicate
[21:26] <drizzle> but the bugs are related to typos?
[21:26] <yofel> drizzle: about bug 615042 - that's something that should be sent upstream to https://alioth.debian.org/projects/bash-completion/ (click on Tracker for bug reports)
[21:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615042 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "MPlayer completion rules complete only specific files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615042
[21:26] <drizzle> yea
[21:26] <drizzle> where upstream? to bash or to mplayer?
[21:26] <yofel> drizzle: use the link I posted, upstream is the bash-completino project
[21:27] <yofel> *bash-completion
[21:27] <drizzle> ok
[21:27] <drizzle> so how do we handle this?
[21:27] <yofel> drizzle: errr, what bug # ? (the typos)
[21:29] <drizzle> how do we link the bash completion project to 615042
[21:29] <drizzle> i marked a bug as duplicate and now i can't find it
[21:29] <drizzle> found it
[21:29] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/615097
[21:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615097 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Typos in two strings (dup-of: 615036)" [Undecided,New]
[21:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615036 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Typo in "Preparing to install Ubuntu" (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Low,Triaged]
[21:30] <drizzle> should i break the second part out into a new defect?
[21:30] <drizzle> The following notice applies to the Fluendo MP3 plugin: MPEG Layer-3 audio decoding technology licensed from Faunhofer IIS and Thomson.Shouldn't it be "Fraunhofer" the name of the audio studio?Thanks.
[21:30] <drizzle> that part?
[21:32] <yofel> back, was fighting launchpad for a moment
[21:33] <drizzle> no worries
[21:33] <drizzle> can we resolve the bash completion issue first?
[21:33] <drizzle> and thenn look at the typo issue?
[21:35] <yofel> sure
[21:36]  * yofel just had launchpad oopsing on him while trying to add an upstream bugtask for bash-completion -.- (different bug)
[21:36] <drizzle> should i go ahead and log and upstream bug for 615042
[21:37] <yofel> somehow I manage to get at least one launchpad error every day since a while ago...
[21:37] <yofel> drizzle: yes
[21:39] <drizzle> ok i logged one for bash completion
[21:40] <drizzle> ive had two launchpad rashes today
[21:40] <drizzle> crashes
[21:41] <drizzle> what about that second bug with two typos and one of the typos being a duplicate bug
[21:42] <yofel> drizzle: now that you have upstreamed the bug, can you please post the 'Upstreamed' response with the link to the upstream report on the bug?
[21:42] <drizzle> i did
[21:42] <drizzle> i tried to link it
[21:42] <drizzle> but launchpad was crashing
[21:42] <drizzle> is there a link feature?
[21:42]  * yofel kicks the cache
[21:42] <drizzle> for upstream projects?
[21:42] <drizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/615042
[21:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615042 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "MPlayer completion rules complete only specific files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:42] <drizzle> thats what i have so far
[21:43] <yofel> yeah, I see it now
[21:43] <drizzle> launchpad is slow
[21:43] <drizzle> i use a squid web proxy to cache parts of it
[21:43] <drizzle> and it seems to make it a little faster
[21:43] <yofel> drizzle: there is, click on 'Also affects Project' choose correct project if necessary and add link to upstream tracker
[21:43] <yofel> but that seems broken currently :/
[21:44] <yofel> at leas I get an oops when I try that
[21:44] <njin> hello, i want to add the icon of the bug-squad in my wiki home page, but i don't know where i can found it, can someone help me?
[21:44] <drizzle> i think you have to be part of it
[21:44] <drizzle> and then it automatically shows up
[21:44] <drizzle> does anyone here have the ability to close bugs?
[21:44] <drizzle> i think we can close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bug/369734
[21:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 369734 in sun-java5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox freezes when loading webbank with java (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:46] <yofel> drizzle: also, can you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance and tell me what importance you would give the bash bug?
[21:48] <drizzle> yofel
[21:48] <drizzle> what is your launchpad name?
[21:48] <drizzle> i would give it wishlist
[21:49] <drizzle> or low
[21:49] <yofel> right, I'll set it low because it's a bug in the sense that the completion doesn't complete bugs that mplayer *can* play.
[21:50] <yofel> but it can be easily worked around, either disable completion or just type the filename yourself
[21:50] <drizzle> yea
[21:50] <drizzle> it can probably be selected via the gui
[21:50] <drizzle> i dont use mplayer but i remember it having a feature like that
[21:50] <drizzle> when i used it
[21:52] <charlie-tca> drizzle: you can close the java bug using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change in the comments. Just change status to invalid
[21:52] <yofel> drizzle: done
[21:53] <njin> there's no way to have bugsqud icon to copy ?
[21:53] <drizzle> oh
[21:53] <drizzle> i thought you were asking something else
[21:53] <drizzle> why dont you just view the source of the page
[21:53] <drizzle> and find the url for the icon
[21:53] <drizzle> and then save it
[21:54] <drizzle> it might not blow up very well though
[21:54] <drizzle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=bugsquad.png
[21:55] <drizzle> is that the image you are looking for njin?
[21:55] <njin> the icon in Lp is too small, enlarging it is'not good
[21:55] <drizzle> try the one i sent
[21:55] <yofel> drizzle: you got an oops message when trying to open 'Also affects project' too right?
[21:56] <njin> drizzle: no i want the icon of launchpad
[21:56] <drizzle> yes yofel
[21:56] <yofel> drizzle: then please confirm bug 615123 (I just filed it)
[21:56] <drizzle> sry - thats as good as i can do njin
[21:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615123 in malone "Oops on production when opening +choose-affected-product (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615123
[21:56] <yofel> and set it to affect you too
[21:57] <drizzle> done
[21:58] <yofel> thanks :)
[22:00] <yofel> drizzle: that should answer your question about my launchpad name too :P
[22:03] <drizzle> do you live in berlin?
[22:03] <yofel> nope, Stuttgart
[22:10] <drizzle> what do we do with a bug like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/615125
[22:10] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 615125 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox 3.6.8 doesn`t shows some website correctly (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:11] <drizzle> it seems like its a browser compatibility/rendering issue
[22:11] <micahg> you have to see what's causing rthe issue
[22:14] <drizzle> i think that is a css issue
[22:14] <drizzle> i opened it up in firefox and it displays the items that appear to be missing, but at the very bottom of the webpage
[22:14] <micahg> drizzle: yeah, seems to be HTML and CSS issues
[22:15] <yofel> right here too, and rekonq shows it the same way as the konqueror screenshot
[22:15] <drizzle> its probably a problem with the website developer
[22:15] <drizzle> chrome dev channel renders it how he wants it
[22:15] <micahg> it's weird though FF on windows works
[22:16]  * micahg tries something
[22:16] <drizzle> i think the website is for illegal things
[22:16] <yofel> firefox-4.0 shows it same as 3.6
[22:16] <micahg> weird
[22:17] <micahg> it's not a UA issue
[22:17] <micahg> drizzle: I'll have to confirm in a Windows VM to see if there's really a disparity between the Win and LInux versions
[22:18] <drizzle> it will most likely be a firefox bug though right?
[22:19] <micahg> drizzle: idk
[22:25] <drizzle> i confirmed it renders differently on windows xp ff 3.6.8
[22:26] <jfi> the css is invalid at line 584
[22:27] <drizzle> how did you find that out?
[22:27] <jfi> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hd-area.org%2Fcss.css&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&lang=en
[22:27] <jfi> just by using the css validator:)
[22:27] <jfi> you also have the error if you open the ff error console
[22:28] <drizzle> hmm
[22:28] <drizzle> i wonder if that css is responsible for that middle column though
[22:28] <drizzle> wait
[22:28] <jfi> seems to concern the { and }, may be the remaining css rules are not read and it breaks the layout, I don't know
[22:34] <drizzle> anyone here use kubuntu?
[22:35] <jfi> drizzle, the html is also not valid...like for most of the websites:)
[22:35] <jfi> if you are motivated: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hd-area.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
[22:36] <drizzle> what a joke
[22:36] <drizzle> i updated the bug with those details
[22:37] <jfi> on my pc: on ubuntu maverick, layout ok with chrome, wrong with ff
[22:37] <drizzle> yep
[22:38] <drizzle> im the same jfi
[22:38] <micahg> jfi: right, but it shouldn't render differently on windows vs linux
[22:39] <jfi> wrong with ff on lucid, I am booting xp to check...
[22:39] <drizzle> i already verified it on xp
[22:40] <drizzle> it matches the screens he sent
[22:40] <drizzle> attached
[22:40] <njin> then we have FF win, chrome linux against ff Linux
[22:40] <micahg> drizzle: jfi: well, if we can get a small test case that duplicates it that would be ideal for upstreaming
[22:44] <jfi> seems that it uses tahoma font, I don't have it on linux
[22:45] <jfi> and my xp got it
[22:46] <njin> yes but chrome works
[22:47] <jfi> I have installed tahoma font
[22:47] <jfi> it fixes the ff layout on my maverick box
[22:47] <jfi> maybe useful to add it in the BR if you can confirm it
[22:48] <yofel> jfi: does that help for konqueror/rekonq too? (if you have it installed)
[22:48] <jfi> I dlded it from http://www.fontonic.com/download.asp?id=6009 (I did not check that the license allow it ...)
[22:48] <yofel> should help I think as they render the page generally fine, except for the text size
[22:49] <jfi> sorry I don't have konqueror and prefere to avoid installing it:(
[22:49] <yofel> np, I'll get the font
[22:50] <jfi> finally maybe it is not a ff bug => not the same font => different width + fixed box width => wrong layout ?
[22:51] <jfi> website should only use image to ensure compatibility :-D
[22:53] <yofel> yep, with tahoma installed konqueror/rekonq render the page fine
[22:54] <jfi> brrrrr, what is the way to remove a font? `:(
[22:56] <jfi> ha just require to remove it from ~/.fonts
[23:01] <jfi> hum, the box of the middle column are using topbox css class
[23:01] <jfi> in the css file the width is hardcoded
[23:01] <jfi> quite strange
[23:04] <yofel> how do you write bug patterns?
[23:04] <yofel> bug 433087 gets a lot of duplicates that have nothing to do with it
[23:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 433087 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gtk crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 23) (dups: 5) (heat: 129)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433087
[23:14] <drizzle> can someone mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/614848 as wishlist
[23:14] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 614848 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "Relative Network Bandwidth (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[23:40] <drizzle> please


[01:49] <xubuntu376> I'm having trouble setting up wireless networking on my first install of Xubuntu 11.10.
[01:49] <xubuntu376> Can anyone help?
[02:08] <holstein> xubuntu376: sure.. i would *not* install 11.10...
[02:08] <holstein> !11.10
[02:09] <holstein> xubuntu376: i would get the latest 13.10 and try it live..
[04:40] <marce_> one question
[04:41] <marce_> whats kernel uses xubuntu 12.04.02?
[04:41] <marce_> my uname -r is: 3.2.0-41-generic thats ok?
[04:45] <bwat47> yea that sounds right
[04:45] <bwat47> well 12.04.2 actually uses 3.5
[04:46] <bwat47> if you have an existing 12.04 install you can install that backported kernel by doing sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-quantal (the 12.04.2 backports are opt-in for existing installs)
[06:46] <ruslan_osmanov> Hi. The graphical login scren always says that incorrect password entered, but the same login succeeds in VT1 (ctrl + alt + f1). What could be wrong with it?
[06:58] <kRush> sounds like an incorrect keyboard layout
[07:04] <ruslan_osmanov> kRush, changing password to "123" didn't help. However, it worked after resetting password via /etc/shadow
[08:28] <linux_unix-10> hi
[08:29] <[uzver]> linux_unix-10: !hi
[08:31] <linux_unix-10> why can't i add 1280x800 resolution in xrandr in xubuntu 12.04?
[08:31] <linux_unix-10> here is the output: xubuntu@xubuntu:~$ xrandr --newmode "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync
[08:31] <linux_unix-10> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[08:31] <linux_unix-10>   Major opcode of failed request:  149 (RANDR)
[08:31] <linux_unix-10>   Minor opcode of failed request:  16 (RRCreateMode)
[08:31] <linux_unix-10>   Serial number of failed request:  29
[08:31] <linux_unix-10>   Current serial number in output stream:  29
[08:32] <linux_unix-10> xubuntu@xubuntu:~$
[08:37] <[uzver]> linux_unix-10: maybe that resolution not supported
[08:37] <linux_unix-10> explain further
[08:38] <linux_unix-10> i'm gonna use it for my hd monitor
[08:38] <[uzver]> linux_unix-10: execute xrandr and see all supported resolutions
[08:39] <linux_unix-10> its supported
[08:40] <[uzver]> linux_unix-10: can u pastebin output of xrandr
[08:43] <linux_unix-10> xubuntu@xubuntu:~$ xrandr --newmode "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync
[08:43] <linux_unix-10> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[08:43] <linux_unix-10>   Major opcode of failed request:  149 (RANDR)
[08:43] <linux_unix-10>   Minor opcode of failed request:  16 (RRCreateMode)
[08:43] <linux_unix-10>   Serial number of failed request:  29
[08:43] <linux_unix-10>   Current serial number in output stream:  29
[09:15] <linux_unix-10> why can't i add 1280x768 resolution on xubuntu 12.04 using xrandr?
[09:19] <moetunes> linux_unix-10:  is it listed in   xrandr -q   ?
[09:45] <nevand> hello
[13:20] <Peyam> Hi
[13:20] <[uzver]> Peyam: hi
[13:21] <Peyam> sup?
[13:21] <[uzver]> ok
[13:21] <Peyam> what's up?
[13:40] <xubuntu140> unable to connect my usb net dongle:capitel 3g Qualcomm inc.:im in kerala,India:my isp BSNL,usb-devices listed my device but not recognides as a net modem
[13:41] <ner0x> What is our typically gantt chart program? Also, I have a computer that doesn't want to boot. Any utilities I can use to try and see what piece of hardware is failing?
[13:44] <TheSheep> ner0x: try asking at ##hardware
[13:44] <ner0x> TheSheep: No problem. Any idea on the gantt chart question?
[13:45] <GridCube> ner0x, from software you can try boot-repair, as the gantt there are many many programs openproj its my personal favorite
[13:46] <GridCube> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openproj/
[13:46] <ner0x> GridCube: Right. Doesn't appear to be in the repos.
[13:47] <GridCube> nope
[13:47] <ner0x> GridCube: Ah. SF has a .deb.
[13:47] <ner0x> GridCube: Looks pretty old though. Project still maintained?
[13:47] <GridCube> i dont know
[13:48] <GridCube> last time i used it was for administration classes back in '10
[13:50] <GridCube> ner0x, http://alternativeto.net/software/openproj/?platform=linux
[14:04] <ner0x> GridCube: That's a convenient website. Thanks!
[14:04] <GridCube> :)
[14:07] <ner0x> GridCube: That boot-repair is a bootable software?
[14:08] <GridCube> no, its a software that fixes boot problems https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[14:08] <ner0x> GridCube: But your system has to be able to boot to use it, no?
[14:09] <GridCube> ner0x, yes, read the wiki
[14:10] <ner0x> GridCube: Right. Mine will not get past the initial boot screen. Freezes.
[14:10] <GridCube> try changing you cables, unplug everything that its not essential and build up
[14:11] <ner0x> GridCube: Did that.
[14:11] <ner0x> GridCube: Really odd. Working fine then kaput.
[14:12] <ner0x> I'm going to open it up and clean it, remove all non-essentials again and see if that works.
[14:12] <ner0x> It is almost six years old.
[14:12] <ner0x> Er.. 7 years actually.
[14:13] <GridCube> stuff breaks
[14:19] <ner0x> GridCube: Of course. I just wanted to see if I could narrow it down and replace just that part.
[14:20] <ner0x> GridCube: I'm assuming a Core i3 will still be faster than my Core2Quad 3.2GHz.
[14:21] <GridCube> no idea :P i only have an atom n450 at 1ghz
[14:21] <ner0x> Whaaat?!
[14:21] <ner0x> Why? lol
[14:27] <nyuszika7h> 10:03:49*      nyuszika7h │ hi, is it possible to order the app list on the top panel in first-started-first order, and possibly with an option to rearrange them by dragging?
[14:27] <nyuszika7h> Unit193, there is no "sorting order" menu item in Ctrl-right click menu
[14:27] <nyuszika7h> oh wait, found it
[14:27] <nyuszika7h> never mind
[14:37] <rald> hello
[14:37] <rald> how to control mouse with keyboard?
[14:38] <rald> im using xubuntu 13.04
[14:39] <[uzver]> rald: what for?
[14:40] <Pici> rald: press shift+numlock then you can use your numpad to control the cursor
[14:40] <Pici> or shift+ctrl+num
[14:46] <rald> my mouse pointer wont move... i've tried all the combinations of shift+crtl+numlock and alt too
[14:48] <rald> is there a command to run for this to work?
[14:52] <[uzver]> rald: u use notebook or pc?
[14:52] <rald> pc
[14:52] <rald> a4 tech usb keyboard
[14:53] <[uzver]> rald: and no mouse?
[14:53] <rald> a hve a mouse a4 tech usb mouse but it is broken
[14:54] <rald> will i remove the mouse from its usb slot?
[14:58] <[uzver]> rald: there is utility xdotool
[14:59] <[uzver]> rald: http://pastebin.com/0Sykh4L6
[14:59] <rald> ok i'll try it
[19:17] <sketch_> good dya to everyone
[19:18] <sketch_> does anyone know how to get the top panel to only have 1 bluetooth icon?
[19:19] <sketch_> or better yet how to remove the panel and just use cairo-dock?
[19:21] <drc> Settings manager>Panel>Panel 0>remove (minus sign).
[19:21] <drc> For cario-dock, you're on your own
[19:23] <nukke> for cairo dock, you can use this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock
[19:23] <xubuntu702> help
[19:23] <lderan> !ask xubuntu702
[19:23] <nukke> xubuntu702: what's the problem?
[19:23] <drc> xubuntu702: It would really help to know the problem.
[19:23] <xubuntu702> wait
[19:24] <xubuntu702> unable to handle kernel null pointer defernce at 0000004c
[19:24] <xubuntu702> thaths it say
[19:25] <nukke> what's the context of the error? when does it appear?
[19:25] <xubuntu702> when its finding the hardware
[19:25] <drc> So, what did you do before this error happened?
[19:25] <nukke> what do you mean? when you connect something?  upon installing xubuntu?
[19:26] <xubuntu702> when im instlling that problem appears
[19:27] <xubuntu702> ithought it was a problem with internet so i try with one other
[19:27] <xubuntu702> but the error appear again
[19:27] <nukke> when you are trying to install xubuntu?
[19:28] <xubuntu702> what???
[19:29] <nukke> does the error appear when you are trying to install xubuntu?
[19:29] <xubuntu702> yes
[19:31] <xubuntu702> please!!!
[19:32] <nukke> when you are installing, do not select "update while installing" option
[19:32] <xubuntu702> okay
[19:32] <xubuntu702> i will try again
[19:32] <xubuntu702> in case i need
[19:32] <xubuntu702> how i return here???
[19:33] <nukke> do you have another computer?
[19:33] <xubuntu702> it has mobile page???
[19:33] <nukke> just use the freenode webchat page: https://webchat.freenode.net/
[19:34] <xubuntu702> thanks
[19:34] <nukke> and join the #xubuntu channel
[19:34] <knome> or http://xubuntu.org/irc/
[19:39] <Guest41340> im again the one of instll problems
[19:40] <lderan> same error?
[19:40] <ronalds> hello, is there a reason to upgrade my home old pc, from 12.04 to 13.04, cause upgrading to 12.10 last time ended by drivers not working anymore (nvidia)
[19:40] <Guest41340> not yet i will tell you
[19:41] <nukke> ronalds: i'd recommend using 12.04 LTS
[19:41] <lderan> ronalds, you can try out the live image on a dvd / usb drive :)
[19:41] <nukke> should be mostly problem-free
[19:41] <beefsalad> after upgraded to 12.04.2 I'm experiencing a weird issue.  when I login with either of my accounts, the screen goes black.  if I login with the guest account X restarts (nvidia splash and everything)
[19:42] <ronalds> clean install right?
[19:42] <nukke> Guest41340: so xubuntu is installing correctly so far? no errors?
[19:42] <ronalds> xubuntu is great for my home pc, as it was used to run xp back in the days
[19:43] <ronalds> 14.04 is going to be LTS?
[19:43] <nukke> yes ronalds
[19:43] <rald> i can't control the mouse with the keyboard damn
[19:45] <rald> i mean mouse pointer
[19:46] <beefsalad> where does xfce store its per-user configuration?
[19:46] <ronalds> 12.04.02 was half upgrade, it really made problems beefsalad?
[19:47] <beefsalad> ronalds: yep
[19:47] <ronalds> weird
[19:48] <beefsalad> I'm starting to wonder if it's not the damn nvidia drivers
[19:48] <beefsalad> or hardware...laptop is kinda old
[19:48] <ronalds> I would try reinstalling packages one by one, or just backuping everything, and using clean installation
[19:49] <beefsalad> thats why I asked where xfce stores its configs...I don't want to spend days remembering how to set everything up how I had it
[19:49] <ronalds> I think before any upgrade, user must remove drivers, just because they break something
[19:50] <beefsalad> the kernel I was booted from didn't have the drivers installed for it
[19:50] <beefsalad> and I've never had a problem like this in the past with it
[19:50] <ronalds> it's 2013 and devices people are using with xubuntu are probably old as sh**
[19:51] <beefsalad> welp, nothing showed up in xorg.0.log with this crash :(
[19:51] <beefsalad> I've already admitted mine is old :P
[19:51] <ronalds> you can't startxfce4?
[19:51] <beefsalad> guess I'll unconfigure nvidia and see what happens
[19:51] <beefsalad> when it dies, it locks up the system
[19:51] <beefsalad> I can't flip back to a console to see whats going on
[19:52] <beefsalad> sshd dies, etc...
[19:52] <ronalds> well when I had this problem, atleast I had console left
[19:52] <ronalds> in one of the tty windows
[19:54] <ronalds> if you don't have nothing, well I don't know, I could use ubuntu live cd for getting to see old files in partition (on my laptop)
[19:55] <beefsalad> the logs haven't revealed anything (used recovery mode to get to them)
[19:55] <beefsalad> I should throw some options at the kernel to see if I can't get it to print debug info somewhere
[20:11] <beefsalad> weee! removing nvidia may have worked...now to figure out why (and if that indeed was the problem)
[20:16] <nukke> beefsalad: were you using the proprietary drivers or the open source ones?
[20:19] <beefsalad> proprietary
[20:20] <nukke> install the os ones
[20:21] <nukke> sudo apt-get install nouveau
[20:21] <ronalds> linux needs to expand on desktop, I want to play gta4 from openbox or even less abusive wm..
[20:22] <ronalds> only thing why I turn on windows sometimes
[20:23] <nukke> apparently GTA4 runs great under Wine
[20:23] <ronalds> really?
[20:23] <nukke> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=8757
[20:24] <brainwash> but there are some nasty glitches
[20:24] <ronalds> I don't think my already unsupported gpu, can run something in emulator
[20:25] <ronalds> gta 4 has glitches even in windows
[20:25] <nukke> the performance hit shouldn't be that big. you could always play it in lower settings, too
[20:25] <nukke> also, the WM/DE shouldn't matter in this case. you could run wine from unity or awm
[20:25] <ronalds> well I do already, except details, and resolution
[20:26] <nukke> you could always get a new GPU. there are good ones for whatever budget you happen to have
[20:27] <ronalds> can I insert it in laptop \
[20:27] <ronalds> seems dumb question
[20:27] <genii-around> If your laptop uses MXM video card you can
[20:27] <ronalds> hd3000
[20:27] <ronalds> by intel
[20:28] <ronalds> MXM?
[20:28] <genii-around> mxm is a slot standard like pci, not a manufacturer
[20:29] <ronalds> ok, haven't got a lot of experience in completing pc's
[20:29] <ronalds> but running native is what linux needs..
[20:29] <ronalds> hopes on valve
[20:30] <brainwash> they didn't even manage to create a proper pc port of gta4..
[20:31] <ronalds> can I run gta 4 with wine from other partition?
[20:31] <nukke> actually, you can sort of install a GPU on a laptop. it's more of a mod than anything, but since you use an adapter and the laptop's ePCI adapter, the memory bandwith is going to be singnificantly less than if you used a PCIe x16 slot, for example
[20:31] <ronalds> I already have all the files
[20:31] <nukke> ronalds: negative. you'd have to install ok wine
[20:32] <nukke> if you have the steam version, you could copy the files into your steam wine folder
[20:32] <ronalds> too bad
[20:49] <kksafak> is amarok supported from xubuntu ?
[20:49] <TheSheep> isn't amarok a kde application? maybe try on kubuntu?
[20:50] <kksafak> can i not use under xubuntu?
[20:50] <knome> it should work with xubuntu, but the xubuntu team isn't specifically supporting amarok
[20:50] <TheSheep> sure you can
[20:50] <yourfriendarmand> it should work, its package(s) should pull in the right deps, but it's going to bring in most of KDE into your system
[20:50] <TheSheep> you are just going to find more experienced users of it on the kubuntu channels
[20:51] <kksafak> i have installed amarok but if i want open it, amarok instanly closed
[20:51] <kksafak> ok, thanks
[20:53] <kksafak> another question: i can not play my musics from iphone on banshee or gtkpod, why?
[20:53] <knome> kksafak, i would ask the banshee/gtkpod support
[20:54] <knome> (i don't even know if iphone is supposed to be supported)
[20:54] <yourfriendarmand> if it's on the device, I imagine the player program is at best a remote control for the player, rendering output to the headphone jack
[21:07] <ronalds> clementine ftw
[21:17] <beefsalad> nukke: nouveau isn't available, nouveau-firmware is though
[21:18] <nukke> beefsalad: really? hmm, try the ubuntu software center
[21:20] <beefsalad> nukke: you mean xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-lts-quantal?
[21:21] <nukke> indeed i am!
[21:22] <nukke> sorry about that. that's the correct package
[21:22] <beefsalad> heh, 'to install this.... xorg..... must be removed'
[21:23] <nukke> i'd recommend asking the #nouveau channel here in freenode first
[21:24] <beefsalad> well whats the point of installing the driver if its going to remove xorg? ;0
[21:24] <beefsalad> ;) even...stupid shift key
[21:25] <yourfriendarmand> you might be needing the xorg lts quantal update?
[21:43] <evilpoptart> I tried installing the nvidia drivers on my xubuntu 12.04 x64 system yesterday and instead of enabling my 3d accel and such I'm now stuck in 640x480 mode.  I uninstalled the nvidia drivers and tried a reinstall of all my X packages with no luck.  Can anyone help me fix it?
[21:44] <yourfriendarmand> make sure the uninstall occurred and you purge any lingering config, wipe out any xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[21:44] <evilpoptart> so deleted the xorg.conf file and then reboot?
[21:44] <yourfriendarmand> cross fingers too, I occasionally to a update-initramfs -k all -c
[21:45] <yourfriendarmand> these are my rituals when delving with the fglrx drivers myself, but both are different in how they handle the system of course
[21:45] <yourfriendarmand> did you install the repo drivers or a run file from nvidia?
[21:47] <evilpoptart> repo
[21:47] <evilpoptart> used synaptic to install nvidia-current and nvidia-settings
[21:47] <yourfriendarmand> ok cool
[21:47] <evilpoptart> just followed your advice, rebooting.  back shortly :)
[21:47] <yourfriendarmand> on the ati side if I use their drivers, I make sure I have their script create packages to install
[21:48] <yourfriendarmand> good luck ^ ^
[21:48] <yourfriendarmand> cross fingers
[21:48] <evilpoptart> i tried that on a different install and it failed miserably as well
[21:48] <evilpoptart> brb
[21:50] <evilpoptart> that worked
[21:50] <yourfriendarmand> quick bootup ^ ^
[21:50] <evilpoptart> powerful laptop + xfce
[21:50] <yourfriendarmand> are you back to native resolution?
[21:50] <evilpoptart> 1600x900
[21:51] <yourfriendarmand> yay
[21:51] <yourfriendarmand> what does glxinfo say?
[21:51] <evilpoptart> now i'm back to square 1... how the heck do I get my 3d accel enabled :)
[21:51] <evilpoptart> let me check
[21:51] <evilpoptart> it says nothing because it isnt installed haha
[21:51] <evilpoptart> let me install it
[21:52] <evilpoptart> it gave me a crap load of output, what did you want to see?
[21:53] <yourfriendarmand> just the first several lines, grep 'render' and see whom is handling 3d
[21:54] <evilpoptart> nate@nemesis:~$ glxinfo | grep render
[21:54] <evilpoptart> direct rendering: Yes
[21:54] <evilpoptart> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Mobile
[21:54] <evilpoptart>     GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_ARB_ES2_compatibility,
[21:55] <evilpoptart> ha - NOW it tells me i have 3d accel working
[21:55] <evilpoptart> after i uninstalled all my "work"
[21:55] <yourfriendarmand> what's interesting is it isn't an nvidia-related renderer
[21:56] <evilpoptart> it's one of those hybrid vid cards, can't remember what it's called
[21:56] <evilpoptart> It's intel + nvidia
[21:56] <evilpoptart> Geforce GT 630M
[21:56] <yourfriendarmand> lspci can give hints
[21:57] <evilpoptart> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Ivy Bridge Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[21:57] <evilpoptart> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0de9 (rev ff)
[21:58] <nukke> another thing yo ucould do to avoid as many problems as possible is to disable your integrated gfx inside the bios
[21:58] <yourfriendarmand> likewise that's a tough chip. It's also one of the ones that could ultimately share memory with the internal intel gpu if nvidia open sourced a little more to include in the kernel
[21:58] <nukke> it's most likely set as switchable right now. make sure it uses only discrete graphics
[21:58] <yourfriendarmand> I agree with nukke, should reduce some headaches
[21:59] <evilpoptart> if it's using the internal card right now and i disable it in bios wont that hose up my system?
[21:59] <yourfriendarmand> the system should switch over naturally and present itself as the primary video
[21:59] <evilpoptart> hm - interesting
[21:59] <yourfriendarmand> right now it would seem the intel gpu is master
[21:59] <evilpoptart> ive never had one of these stupid hybrids
[21:59] <evilpoptart> let me go see if I can find that option, brb
[22:00] <yourfriendarmand> lspci doesn't enumerate the nvidia chip to its full chipset
[22:00] <yourfriendarmand> update-pciids in case
[22:00] <nukke> yeah, i was having some problems with my ati+intel configuration
[22:00] <evilpoptart> nate@nemesis:~$ sudo update-pciids
[22:00] <evilpoptart> Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2013-05-04 03:15:02
[22:00] <nukke> had to disable the ati card because it was giving me headaches
[22:01] <evilpoptart> i'm not  a hardcore gamer or anything anymore so I just need basic 3d accel for some RTS type games.  Right now everything seems to be working ok.
[22:01] <evilpoptart> I'll probably leave it as is unless I have more issues
[22:02] <evilpoptart> Now - onto my next problem.  Trying to see why the heck blueman crashes every freaking time I boot up
[22:02] <evilpoptart> oh, nope.  This time it's plymouthd
[22:02] <nukke> do you actually use bluetooth? i'd recommend uninstalling blueman altogether and disabling bluetooth on your machine
[22:02] <yourfriendarmand> right now the intel chip is probably rendering primarily. still that's a sweet chip to keep off. I myself have had some issues moving stuff with my phone since 1204 as well. I'm going to try tonight with my 1304 and the same phone
[22:04] <yourfriendarmand> I'm on a dell studio with ati hd 5450 I think
[22:04] <yourfriendarmand> nice chip with relatively slow gram
[22:05] <yourfriendarmand> but it get my fps fix now and then on decent quality
[22:05] <yourfriendarmand> studio 14, rare machine
[22:06] <evilpoptart> ok - the wife summons. thanks again guys
[22:06] <yourfriendarmand> take care
[22:07] <yourfriendarmand> later tonight mine will beckon with haste
[22:07] <nukke> :O
[22:08] <yourfriendarmand> but that's future news, right now it's about the penguin
[22:09] <yourfriendarmand> Quick question, has anyone lost their HDMI output as a result of 1304? I'm going to try the low latency kernel and see if there are any improvements, otherwise wait for a fix
[22:19] <beefsalad> *SIGH* ath9k performance sucks with this kernel :(
[22:21] <Lehti> :<
[22:22] <beefsalad> oh well, time to rip the 500G drive out of the netbook and throw it in here since it has an unmolested install on it
[22:31] <Lehti> wouldn't it be possible to get a bunch of old drivers?
[22:32] <beefsalad> with the kernel?  no, the modules are all bundled with it
[22:32] <beefsalad> going to drop back a version and see what happens
[22:33] <beefsalad> ugh damnit, netbook HD has a 32bit install on it
[22:33] <beefsalad> my personal setup is a freaking mess lately :/
[22:34] <Lehti> i have to say this new 13.04 brought my old 2004 HP laptop into life again
[22:34] <Lehti> 12.04 had all these little glitches here and there
[22:35] <Lehti> was a bit of a struggle to find proper instructions to get the newer kernel to wokr on a non-PAE prehistorical CPU -.-
[22:35] <Lehti> *work
[22:43] <yourfriendarmand> ath9k driver got me through hard times when wifi was coming about. gentoo + ath wifi and I were tight
[22:59] <demofran> hello someone to help me
[23:00] <lderan> demofran, what is your problem?
[23:00] <demofran> I have a problem with xubuntu instalation
[23:00] <demofran> its
[23:01] <demofran> unable to handle kernel null pointer deference at 0000004c
[23:03] <demofran> hey someone???'
[23:04] <demofran> lderan
[23:06] <demofran> someone!!!!!
[23:06] <demofran> please helop
[23:06] <lderan> how are you installing it?
[23:06] <lderan> from a dvd or usb?
[23:06] <demofran> usb
[23:08] <nukke> demofran: any more details would help
[23:08] <nukke> make sure you disable "update while installing"
[23:09] <demofran> yes nukke you tell me before but it didnt help
[23:09] <demofran> its a problem that happened when cheking hardware
[23:09] <nukke> can you boot into xubuntu off the usb?
[23:09] <nukke> without installing
[23:10] <demofran> yes
[23:15] <demofran> please a solution??
[23:16] <demofran> nobody??
[23:18] <lderan> !patience demofran
[23:18] <demofran> sorry
[23:18] <lderan> mmm i do not know the ubottu commands well :P
[23:18] <lderan> demofran !patience
[23:18] <lderan> nope
[23:20] <Unit193> !patience | human
[23:22] <lderan> ah the pipe
[23:22] <demofran> what?
[23:27] <demofran_> lderan
[23:27] <demofran_> could yo____
[23:28] <lderan>  could i _____?
[23:28] <seronis> Interesting..  about the exact same time you mention 'A'lderan my pidgin client opens a window saying  "you sense a disturbance in the force"
[23:29] <lderan> :P
[23:34] <demofran> i need help
[23:35] <Unit193> demofran: You could try #ubuntu, but you'd still need to follow the guidelines.
[23:35] <Unit193> !guidelines
[23:35] <demofran> i didnt understood
[23:49] <beefsalad> yep, 3.2.0-41 kernel sucks.  reverted to a 2.6 kernel from the pre .02 update and the lag has disappeared from the cpu and wifi
[23:52] <beefsalad> or not, ugh


[09:50] <sweb1> safely remove on USB storage like flash or external hdd is take very long time to affect. how can i report it ? Ubuntu 18.04 (development branch)


[07:59] <amey> hi, I am Amey,I like Ubuntu and I want to start marketing of it. Can someone tell me about the culture or strategies you are following currently?


[05:31] <knightwise> morning peeps
[05:35] <mappps> morning Knightmare
[05:35] <mappps> knightwise :)
[05:35] <mappps> zmoylan-pi diddledan daftykins lurking?;)
[05:46] <knightwise> hey mappps , how are you doing todya
[05:48] <mappps> not bad..just finished work *7am local time ..gonna watch the americans
[05:48] <mappps> you watch it? brilliant show imo:)
[07:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:13] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:18] <MooDoo> how are you knightwise?
[07:22] <knightwise> doin ok :) Crapload of work for the client but .. whats new
[07:28] <MooDoo> yeah i here ya buddy
[07:28] <knightwise> mostly useless paperwork stuff
[08:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:17] <bashrc_> morning
[08:18] <MooDoo> mornig
[08:20] <brobostigon> morning
[08:30] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:31] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy High Five Day! :-D
[08:36] <bigcalm> JamesTait: ^
[08:36] <bigcalm> Sorry, that was a high 6
[08:37]  * davmor2 holds his hand in the air and waits for JamesTait to get the step ladder out to slap it
[08:38] <JamesTait> Oi! I'm not that short!
[08:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: okay box
[08:39] <JamesTait> Anyway, davmor2, you want to be careful lifting your arms that high, what with your bad back. ;)
[08:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: no it's safe I tried it out first :D
[08:43] <JamesTait> bigcalm, (ｏ・_・)ノヽ(・_・ｏ)
[08:43] <bigcalm> :D
[08:45] <JamesTait> I wonder why my gnome-terminal with irssi is showing up as Files in the switcher. :-/
[08:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: cause you broke it
[08:48] <JamesTait> davmor2, you mean I'm doing your job for you now? :-P
[08:48] <diplo> rah! Got Nagios sending alerts via telegram... win!
[08:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: welcome to my wonderful world of what breaks next
[09:01] <foobarry> diplo: is there a documented process?
[09:08] <diplo> Nope, but I can write one :)
[09:08] <diplo> It's only taken me a few weeks :D
[09:09] <diplo> Do you use Telegram foobarry ?
[09:10] <foobarry> no, but i would bookmark the documentation for consideration of using it :D
[09:12] <diplo> heh, well I'll refine for now then as it's not perfect yet... but is working :)
[09:13] <foobarry> telegram is like whatsapp,yep?
[09:13] <diplo> yeah but opensource
[09:14] <diplo> Much prefer it! Most of my mates have moved to it now
[09:14] <popey> \o/ Telegram
[09:14] <diplo> + desktop app! and telegram-cli !!!
[09:15] <foobarry> i've never had any success with fringe apps
[09:16] <foobarry> because mates don't use them
[09:16] <knightwise> i have it on the phone ...
[09:16] <foobarry> but i could use this for work chat
[09:17] <foobarry> and also nagios integration would be good
[09:17] <diplo> It's not fringe anymore, taking away a lot of Whatsapp users
[09:17] <foobarry> is the API easy?
[09:17] <diplo> They've had millions of people signing up
[09:17] <popey> I'm in a telegram group with 114 people in it
[09:17] <diplo> Umm easy, no...
[09:17] <foobarry> i have a bot that i'd like to talk telegram
[09:17] <diplo> yeah we have some large groups
[09:17] <diplo> foobarry: Code out there for that already, check on github
[09:17] <diplo> Just started playing with telepy
[09:18] <diplo> Not fully implemented yet though
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> Morning.
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> I appear to have spinning rust from the furture! dd is telling me the transfer speed is 2.1GB/s :-S
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> I don't think I am testing what I think I am testing.....
[09:20] <davmor2> \o/ telegram \o/
[09:21] <knightwise> ok , just need to get it working on the raspberry pi
[09:23] <diplo> I run on my laptop, cli works suprisingly well on the server too
[09:23] <knightwise> i seem to have in installed
[09:23] <knightwise> ive started the telegram-daemon
[09:23] <knightwise> but .. now what ?
[09:23] <davmor2> diplo: the app on the phone is actually nicer than the one on android :)
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> Quick Pi question - is a 2MB/s WiFi transfer speed typical?
[09:25] <foobarry> 16Mbit/s?
[09:25] <diplo> knightwise: ./telegram-cli is what I run
[09:25] <diplo> msg <username> message here
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Aye
[09:25] <diplo> Or msg user#idhere
[09:25] <knightwise> diplo: hmm.. no such file
[09:25] <diplo> On UT ? davmor2
[09:26] <davmor2> diplo: yeap
[09:26] <diplo> CLI on the PI knightwise ?
[09:26] <diplo> https://telegram.org/dl/cli
[09:26] <diplo> yeah, going to try UT soon
[09:27] <diplo> https://github.com/vysheng/tg <-- What I use knightwise , configure and make once you have deps installed
[09:27] <knightwise> do i do the git clone in the /etc directory ?
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> Using a 150Mbit/s dongle, lappy has a 270Mbit/s wireless; so neither of those are an issue. Both on N. Bit puzzled as to why it is so s-l-o-w...
[09:27] <diplo> I didn't no, I ran it from the user that was running it for me
[09:28] <knightwise> ok , but that user doesnt have sudo rights on my system
[09:28] <diplo> I actually grabbed the zip at the time as I couldn't install git on the machine I was running it on
[09:28] <knightwise> is that a problem ?
[09:28] <diplo> Wasn't for me as long as deps were previously installed
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Telegram looks like all shades of awesome
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> The image for "Open". Much lol
[09:30] <diplo> And they put improvements in all the time
[09:31]  * TwistedLucidity doubts the URL would be suitable for a 'family friend'y channel
[09:32] <knightwise> diplo: running it now
[09:32] <knightwise> doing the ./configure command
[09:34] <knightwise> and running the make command
[09:35] <knightwise> takes a while on the pi :)
[09:38] <diplo> Took a fair while on my server :)
[09:40] <knightwise>  so who wants to add me ?
[09:42] <popey> I'm popeydc on telegram, feel free to add me
[09:42] <diplo> andy_p for me :)
[09:42] <diplo> That's an underscore if it doesn't show :)
[09:43] <foobarry> seen this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.handwriting.ime
[09:43] <knightwise> diplo ?  you @diplo ?
[09:44] <diplo> andy_p is mine
[09:45] <diplo> foobarry: Mate is using it currently
[09:46] <knightwise> ok, now i just need to get the wife to use it :)
[09:46] <knightwise> so we can get away from googletalk
[09:47] <diplo> Got my whole family to move to it, mum doesnt have a smart phone but you can still do it. Installed on her N7 with her mobile number as the contact
[09:48] <diplo> Have a family group etc
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: The Palm Pilot is risen!
[09:48] <popey> yeah, we have a family group too
[09:48] <popey> \o/ Palm!
[09:48]  * popey still has a Palm T|X which I boot up now and then
[09:48] <popey> then remember it can't do WPA, so it is useless
[09:48] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Telegram is on public servers; yeah?
[09:49]  * zmoylan-pi has a palm tungsten e somewhere about
[09:49] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Is some ways the Palm (and a few others) were ahead of the network infrastructure curve.
[09:49] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: the good old days
[09:49] <diplo> Yeah, well run by telegram yeah
[09:50] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Thought so. Wonder is if a private instance could be hosted...I could do curious things with that...
[09:50] <diplo> not afaik
[09:50] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: start your own secret empire ?
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: No. ECMS integration. I did one on StatusNet ages ago. Plan was to, in the end, allow users message the ECMS system to get it to respond.
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda lost steam though
[09:53] <knightwise> ecms ?
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> Enterprise Content Management System. Ma-hooisve object stores of every version, of every document that a business uses.
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> Version control for suits.
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Ouch. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-hacking-voting-machines-security
[10:12] <foobarry> i need to root my device to use a ps2 controller with android? :(
[10:12] <foobarry> http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/33112/how-to-use-generic-usb-joysticks-in-android-via-otg
[10:31] <directhex_> collecting new car tomorrow afternoon
[10:31] <knightwise> ok , i have telegram setup but .. how do i configure it ?
[10:32] <knightwise> i have don the telegram-cli -k public key thing but ...then what ,
[10:34] <knightwise> ah
[10:37] <diplo> :D
[10:37] <diplo> Get prompted for your number ?
[10:37] <diplo> Should send an alert to your phone with a code
[10:37] <knightwise> diplo , i just sent you a msg
[10:37] <knightwise> got the alert :)
[10:38] <diplo> not had it yet
[10:38] <knightwise> can you send me one ? @knightwise
[10:38] <diplo> Sent
[10:38] <knightwise> got it
[10:38] <knightwise> i must have the synthax wrong
[10:39] <knightwise> isnt it msg @andy_p test ?
[10:43] <diplo> Nope, no @
[10:43] <diplo> afaik, but I've not tried with usernames before
[10:43] <diplo> All the people I contact are in my contacts
[10:44] <diplo> Could try contact_list andy_p
[10:44] <diplo> It'll give you a ID, so you can msg user#numberhere message here
[10:45] <knightwise> ok , so i sent you a couple of messages but it doesnt look like they are getting through. i am seeing notifications that you are going online / offline all the time
[10:46] <diplo> Have you tried the above ?
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like marketing speak...
[11:42] <diplo> foobarry: Stuck the files in my git repo ( very new to git! so hope it's ok! )
[11:43] <diplo> Let me know if you want the link, it's the first iteration of the files, defo needs some work
[11:43] <foobarry> yes pls, u can PM it if you like
[11:43] <foobarry> we bought github enterprise for inhouse github server
[11:44] <foobarry> its github but onsite
[11:46] <diplo> Done if you haven't seen, oh nice.. my place won't spend money, I've done this because I had trouble getting it work properly... it's by no means perfect though! Going to improve on it over the weeks
[12:47] <foobarry> its actually a bit annoying to deploy
[12:47] <foobarry> quite non standard
[12:59] <diplo> The cli thing?
[13:53] <knightwise> aha
[13:53] <knightwise> i seem to have telegram running
[13:53] <popey> \o/
[13:54] <zmoylan-pi> send a postcard or something... :-P
[13:54] <knightwise> popey: but how do i add you to my contact list ?
[13:54] <popey> add my phone number or @popeydc on telegram
[13:55] <knightwise> hmm.. i can open a new chat with you on the phone app
[13:55] <knightwise> but that doesnt put you in my contact list apparently
[13:56] <diplo> Only way is to add number to get in contact list afaik, you can just message people via the username
[13:57] <knightwise> aha , so i need popeys number instead of their username ?
[13:57] <popey> my phone number is quite widely known :)
[13:57] <diplo> I believe so yeah, can still message.. just can't save afaik
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> ask the nsa, gchq, kgb... :-)
[14:01] <knightwise> and my raspberry pi has another command line app to overload its busy cpu :)
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> this pi will never take it....
[14:02] <popey> I tried Ubuntu MATE on the Pi 2 yesterday
[14:02] <popey> I was surprised how well it runs.
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> the pi2 is a seriously beefy little cpu.
[14:03] <knightwise> indeed
[14:03] <knightwise> it makes for a great thin client too
[14:03] <knightwise> or a chromebook suppository
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> soon the smart hat will be a reality :-)
[14:05] <Myrtti> Google Drive \o/
[14:05] <knightwise> For collaboration .. it is a sweet sweet thing
[14:05]  * popey finally paid for irssinotifier
[14:12] <awilkins> Multicore makes a big difference on modern desktop s
[14:12] <davmor2> popey: is that the android thing?
[14:12]  * knightwise has quadcore I7 mbp
[14:12] <knightwise> it fliez
[14:12]  * awilkins is running Ruby on Rails on a Pi2... with acceptable performance!!!!
[14:13] <awilkins> My work-issue laptop is buggering fast
[14:13]  * brobostigon is also an irssinotifier user.
[14:13]  * awilkins pardon me
[14:13] <knightwise> did you guys get a box with your p2 or do you just use a lego case ?
[14:13] <popey> davmor2: yes
[14:13] <awilkins> knightwise, I got the FLIRC case
[14:13] <popey> i have no case. i should make a lego one
[14:13] <popey> actually I could draw one, I have a 3d pen
[14:13] <awilkins> It looks like a proper little Mac Mini or something
[14:14] <knightwise> popey: that would be an elegant case indeed
[14:14] <popey> nah
[14:14] <popey> it would look a mess
[14:14] <awilkins> yeah, "popey, for cases that look like you put a USB port in a mass of wadded up chewing gum"
[14:14] <popey> yes
[14:15] <davmor2> awilkins: are you trying to say all of your cases don't look like that?
[14:16] <knightwise> 49
[14:16] <knightwise> oops
[14:16] <knightwise> wrong window
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> when we all know the true answer is 42...
[14:17] <davmor2> knightwise: isn't that the sweet and sour?  I'm assuming you were ordering a Chinese ;)
[14:18] <knightwise> mpsyt :)
[14:18] <knightwise> youtube music player
[14:18] <knightwise> track 49
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> or 99 if you have access to ice cream and a flake...
[14:18] <awilkins> http://thepihut.com/products/flirc-raspberry-pi-b-case  < dead nice
[14:19] <popey> hah, makes it look like a NUC
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> but a smidge smaller
[14:20] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFF0n5YqZ78 video review of it
[14:21] <popey> ooh, that is nice
[14:23]  * knightwise is pooped
[14:23] <knightwise> been in front of the pc non stop for allmost 10 hours
[14:24] <awilkins> The only reason I'd get another case is if I wanted to fit HAT boards or the camera module
[14:24] <knightwise> gonna chill afk a bit. ttyl
[14:24] <awilkins> I may get a camera module for my Pi B 1.0
[14:25] <awilkins> I have an app in mind for it
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> who's been stealing biccies from the kitchen!! :-)
[14:34] <intrbiz> awilkins: I've got a copy of my monitoring system running on my Odroid U3, PostgreSQL 9.4, RabbitMQ, Nginx, and all my java based services, runs pretty well all things considered
[14:44] <Myrtti> kek http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/pantones-newest-color-is-minion-yellow-design-news-218277
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> "a color that heightens awareness and creates clarity...the color of hope, joy and optimism"
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> Please excuse me whilst I hurl
[15:06] <zmoylan-pi> that'll add some colour
[15:06] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: and carrots mysteriously
[15:06] <zmoylan-pi> with hints of jackson pollock
[16:03] <diddledan> shauno: ask and you shall receive: better footage of the barge landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeIHJ-i7yVk
[16:04] <TwistedLucidity> Wouldn't some decent parachutes be easier & lighter?
[16:04]  * TwistedLucidity is not a rocket engineer outside of Kerbal
[16:04] <diddledan> lol
[16:07] <shauno> diddledan: old.
[16:07] <diddledan> oh?
[16:10] <shauno> I was thinking about parachutes .. but I wonder if that'd leave them floating around on the breeze too much to be able to hit a small target
[16:10] <shauno> perhaps just drogues to help it stay upright
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> i reckon some sort of ground net raised at last moment to catch and balance
[16:13] <NET||abuse> hi folks, having a btrfs issue here,
[16:14] <diddledan> I say they should put wings on it and a jet turbine :-p
[16:15] <NET||abuse> got a volume on /mnt (i know bad location)   and it's on a disk /dev/xvdb of 456G    but only seems to be using 45G, 36G is used,, btrfs filesystem resize max /mnt    isn't working :(
[16:15] <NET||abuse> not sure why, says file too big
[16:28] <TwistedLucidity> The Kerbal version (as seen on CBS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzkaVTeguNk
[16:29] <TwistedLucidity> And longer more complete version (different creator) showing more explosions
[16:29] <TwistedLucidity> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9I55o8hQgs
[16:30] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan, shauno: ^
[16:30] <TwistedLucidity> And with that, g'night!
[16:33] <shauno> lol, how did I know it was gonna be scott manley
[16:34] <diddledan> shauno: because "fly safe!"
[16:34] <diddledan> he is pretty awesome tho
[17:06] <vetman3309> hi
[17:16] <davmor2> vetman3309: hi
[17:16] <vetman3309> how is going?
[17:34] <DJones> Sheesh, what a dodgy day, new server delivered, support staff in place to set it up, main software supplier says sorry no, it won't work on  server, it only works on peer to peer networks, what century are we living in
[17:34] <DJones> It'll only work on a win xp/7 machine or windows server 2003
[17:40] <popey> lulz
[17:52]  * DJones kicks popey for laughing at obsolete systems
[17:58] <DJones> I'm just grateful we're killing the system
[17:58] <DJones> in 3 months
[18:28] <shauno> don't you love buying new hardware for systems where the EOL is so close you can taste it
[18:29] <diddledan> craycray!
[18:29] <diddledan> :-p
[18:31] <diddledan> so at my cousin's wedding the other week, as a special request the "you may kiss the bride" bit was inserted to the order of service and just as he goes in for the snog my niece (2) calls out "naughty naughty"
[18:31] <diddledan> best timing evar!
[18:31] <diddledan> if only someone had it on film
[19:06] <Laney> deeeeeeebate time
[19:07] <Myrtti> yeah, watching
[19:07] <shauno> not watching \o/
[19:08] <Laney> is it the same format as the other one?
[19:08] <Laney> seems so
[19:08] <Myrtti> Finnish debate was at 20 their time and I didn't bother to watch since I had already voted
[19:15] <DJones> shauno: No,  this is down to a software developer not being prepared to accept that the internet exists and their refusal to accept that windows 3.0 is no longer supported
[19:28] <directhex_> similar. but dave and nick are in hiding
[19:28] <directhex_> i once had to deal with software whose dev supported amd64 solaris, but not amd64 linux
[19:28] <directhex_> they were "keeping an eye" on that platform's viability
[19:29] <directhex_> this was an HPC app. in 2008.
[19:29] <diddledan> which was "that" platform that they were keeping an eye on?
[19:29] <diddledan> they're analysing the viability of linux?
[19:30] <shauno> amd64 seems like a flash in the pan.  they should play it safe and stick with ia64  *nods*
[19:30] <diddledan> mmhmm
[19:30] <diddledan> ia64 ftw
[19:30] <diddledan> I want one just for the giggles
[19:31] <directhex_> diddledan: amd64 linux. they did i386 linux,]
[19:31] <directhex_> i used to admin an itanium system
[19:31] <diddledan> we'd not have efi without ia64 remember :-p
[19:31] <directhex_> 256 cores, 1T RAM
[19:31] <diddledan> ouch
[19:31] <diddledan> that's a big system
[19:31] <directhex_> badly behaved SLES desktop!
[19:31] <directhex_> 1 rack big
[19:32] <foobarry> my colleague bought one off ebay
[19:32] <directhex_> or was it 2?
[19:32] <foobarry> recently
[19:32] <directhex_> anyway, best parallel system i've ever used
[19:32] <directhex_> *so* fast. yay sgi.
[19:32] <diddledan> aah
[19:32] <diddledan> sgi were good
[19:32] <foobarry> we also recently threw away a whole rack of altix sgi
[19:32] <diddledan> the jurrassic park machines were sgi's
[19:32] <foobarry> so much RAMs
[19:32] <foobarry> nobody was using it
[19:33] <diddledan> foobarry: not altair? :-p
[19:33] <foobarry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altix
[19:37] <diddledan> looks like the only linux supported on itanium according to wiki is gentoo
[19:41] <diddledan> it just goes to show (itanium) that being first and better doesn't mean you win :-p
[19:49] <directhex_> diddledan: we ran SLES 10, which is what SGI supported on that hardware
[19:49] <directhex_> that or RHEL 5
[20:32] <diddledan> nerdgasm: https://youtu.be/ngElkyQ6Rhs
[20:32] <diddledan> IRC really needs to allow huge letters for such times as you need to convey a huge SQUEEE
[21:31] <dogmatic69_> any idea why my virtual machine is saying no space left on device, but df -h says 4GB free
[21:31] <intrbiz> HTTP parsing, in kernel mode, smart move Windows - https://ma.ttias.be/remote-code-execution-via-http-request-in-iis-on-windows/
[21:32] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: has the host run out of storage space, if it's a thin provisioned disk?
[21:32] <dogmatic69_> intrbiz: doubt that... /dev/md127p1                 2.7T  889G  1.7T  35% /raid
[21:33] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: what hypervisor?
[21:33] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: what disk format?
[21:33] <diddledan> windows y u do dis?
[21:33] <diddledan> unrelated to the http.sys issue above
[21:34] <dogmatic69_> intrbiz: hypervisor? like virtualbox?
[21:34] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: what filesystem?
[21:34] <dogmatic69_> the drive is 'Normal (VDI)'
[21:34] <dogmatic69_> what ever was the default install
[21:35] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: have you looked at dmesg in the VM ?
[21:35] <diddledan> inode count?
[21:35] <dogmatic69_> going to now, just rebooting again
[21:35] <dogmatic69_> great, now df -h cannot read table of mounted file systems
[21:36] <diddledan> o_O
[21:36] <dogmatic69_> its, working now but still not /root. only the links to host
[21:36] <diddledan> o_O
[21:37] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: what does /proc/mounts show?
[21:37] <dogmatic69_> here is dmesg
[21:37] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/jiuhWg4i
[21:38] <dogmatic69_> proc/mounts has loads, want a paste?
[21:39] <intrbiz> may as well
[21:40] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/LTJBxt5P
[21:42] <dogmatic69_> idk why df -h has no / but I can ls / and see folders
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> I also just removed a file with no issues :/
[21:44] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: is /etc/mtab empty?
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> nope
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> that as the last 3 entries in mounts
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> the /media/... ones
[21:45] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: is / listed?
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> no
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> 3 entries like 'pictures /media/sf_pictures vboxsf gid=999,rw 0 0'
[21:46] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: that'll be why df is broken
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> but 3 different ones
[21:46] <diddledan> root is mounted fine
[21:46] <diddledan> what does df actually say?
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> It has those same 3 entries
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> but no /
[21:47] <diddledan> paste?
[21:47] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: you can update mtab with: grep -v rootfs /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab
[21:47] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/jUWAGaPa
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> ok, that made df -h have more, but looks wonky.. paste comming
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/ku5LKWrQ
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> all the none
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> well, I can now write files...
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> thanks diddledan / intrbiz
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> but, why and how to avoid this again...
[21:49] <diddledan> permissions on /etc/mtab wonky?
[21:50] <diddledan> should be root:root 644
[21:50] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: an incorrect mtab is likely to be the result of not being able to write to / due to the original error
[21:51] <shauno> don't most just symlink mtab to /proc now?
[21:51] <diddledan> you'd think, shauno ,but seems 14.04 doesn't
[21:51] <dogmatic69_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1156 Apr 16 22:47 /etc/mtab
[21:51] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: can you also paste df -i
[21:52] <intrbiz> shauno: openSUSE certainly does
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/Mj67NCAL
[21:52] <diddledan> bingoi
[21:52] <diddledan> inodes
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> ok, it I use tab / autocomplete it complains about the same space issue
[21:52] <diddledan> you're out
[21:52] <shauno> debian does too.  and for long enough that I actually know this, so probably for 5+ years
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> oh :S
[21:52] <dogmatic69_> where do I buy more inodes :D
[21:52] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: being out of inodes will the the cause
[21:55]  * diddledan points to his first comment way up at the top
[21:55] <intrbiz> diddledan: indeed
[21:55] <diddledan> ]specifically: 22:35 <diddledan> inode count? :-p
[21:56] <diddledan> now someone pat me on the back!
[21:56] <diddledan> :-D
[21:59]  * dogmatic69_ pats diddledan on the back
[21:59] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: do you have lots of small files on this disk?
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> intrbiz: the only thing on the disk is install stuff from apt-get
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> all the real data is shared from host
[22:03] <intrbiz> IIRC you can't increase the inode ratio on ext4
[22:08] <dogmatic69_> found it, there is like 10 kernals with 5k inodes in each
[22:08] <diddledan> o_O
[22:08] <dogmatic69_> apt-get autoremove that crap
[22:08] <diddledan> surely a kernel is just one file?
[22:09] <diddledan> + an initrd
[22:09] <dogmatic69_> http://pastebin.com/3gE8ypHq
[22:09] <diddledan> and should be stored in /boot
[22:09] <dogmatic69_> well maybe not kernal, but related..
[22:09] <diddledan> oh, /lib/modules
[22:09] <diddledan> yeah
[22:09] <diddledan> autoremove that
[22:10] <diddledan> though that's only about 5% of your total allocation
[22:10] <diddledan> 25k(ish) out of1 meelion
[22:11] <dogmatic69_> I think its counting the stuff on mounted drives...
[22:11] <dogmatic69_> is that right?
[22:11] <diddledan> each filesystem has a separate inode count
[22:11] <dogmatic69_> ok
[22:14] <dogmatic69_>  /sys/kernel has 12k
[22:15] <intrbiz> dogmatic69_: /sys is a virtual filesystem
[22:15] <dogmatic69_> oh ok
[22:18] <dogmatic69_> usr/src has 250k
[22:18] <dogmatic69_> and all linux-headers-3.xx.xx again
[22:18] <dogmatic69_> I have autoclean / autoremoved and rebooted
[22:32] <dogmatic69_> down to 71% used now :)
[22:32] <dogmatic69_> thanks again
[22:32] <dogmatic69_> had to apt-get purge linux-headers ... to clear that stuff out, autoremove does not do it
[22:34] <diddledan> you want the headers for at least the version of the kernel you're booting into normallyu
[22:35] <dogmatic69_> ye, it removed all so I reinstalled the current ones
[22:35] <diddledan> fair enuff
[22:35] <dogmatic69_> it seems like doing purge linux-...41 will remove 4* eg, 41, 42, 43.. 49
[22:36] <dogmatic69_> idk if its just me but seems wrong http://pastebin.com/5b3Jk8VZ
[22:37] <dogmatic69_> idk how 'linux-headers-3.13.0-35*' matches the list to be removed there.
[22:38] <diddledan> it's treated as a regex
[22:38] <dogmatic69_> 45* matches 49?
[22:38] <dogmatic69_> I thought 45<anything>
[22:38] <diddledan> so you're asking for 3<Anything>13<anything>0-3<5 any number of times including none>
[22:39] <dogmatic69_> gah. I get ya
[22:40] <diddledan> you probably want to use the command: apt-get purge 'linux-headers-3\.13\.0-35.*'
[22:40] <dogmatic69_> right
[22:40] <diddledan> where \. is a literal dot, and .* is anything
[22:41] <diddledan> you need to put it in single-quotes so that the \. doesn't get expanded by bash before handing to apt
[22:41] <diddledan> bash shell expansion can be a pain
[22:41] <dogmatic69_> ye
[22:41] <dogmatic69_> cheers. well I have some inodes again \o/
[22:42] <diddledan> \o/
[22:42] <diddledan> inodes ftw?
[22:42] <dogmatic69_>  /var has .5M
[22:42] <diddledan> glad you managed to sort it
[22:42] <dogmatic69_>  /var/tmp, can be cleaned out?
[22:43] <dogmatic69_> actually, its ntop...
[22:43] <diddledan> worst case to fix inode outage is to create a new filesystem elsewhere and copy the files across
[22:43] <diddledan> then delete the old filesystem
[22:44] <diddledan> /var/tmp should be ok to clear though sometimes running programs may be using files currently
[22:44] <diddledan> the best option for /var/tmp and /tmp is to clear them on initial boot
[23:42] <ball> If I have a text file with a list of filenames, how can I find the checksum of each file?
[23:42] <ball> I would like to deduplicate some photos.
[23:44] <ball> Oh! I may have just thought of a way...
[23:46] <ball> No. That won't work.
[23:48] <diddledan> ball: for file in "$(cat listoffiles.txt)"; do md5sum "$file" >> md5sums.txt; done
[23:48] <diddledan> try that
[23:48] <ball> diddledan: Thanks, I'll try it.
[23:51] <ball> ./foo2: 3: ./foo2: md5sum: Argument list too long
[23:51] <ball> ^- does it not work if there are spaces in the filename?
[23:52] <ball> perhaps I need to escape out the quote somehow.
[23:52] <ball> (double-quotes)
[23:53] <diddledan> should work with spaces
[23:54] <diddledan> actually, no it won;'t
[23:54] <diddledan> hmm


[00:22] <aiyion> Does somebody know how to install apps via commandline?
[00:56] <mcphail> aiyion: pkcon --allow-untrusted install-local packagename.click
[01:35] <aiyion> mcphail: thank you sir!
[16:12] <mimecar> hi
[21:15] <Rane> hello?
[21:17] <Rane> Its been a long time since I used IRC, but I am looking for assistance with my 2012 Nexus 7 "Grouper"
[21:19] <dobey> it's not a supported device. there are no images to flash ubuntu onto it
[21:26] <Rane> I can't even flash the devel onto it?
[21:27] <dobey> nope. it hasn't been supported for about 3 years now
[21:28] <Rane> well dang it.....I don't suppose you know if there is a distro that would work on this device?
[21:29] <dobey> no. it's problematic because it's an nvidia tegra device
[21:30] <dobey> android doesnt' even work so great on it :)
[21:30] <Rane> thats my problem.....the blasted thing is just so slow.  I was hoping there was a lightweight distro out there that I could get some use out of it
[21:32] <dobey> i don't think so
[21:32] <dobey> anyway, have to go now. good luck :)
[21:33] <Rane> thank you for answering me