[12:18] <vixpoxi> well
[12:18] <vixpoxi> i've recently opened up a 40 gig partition
[12:19] <vixpoxi> and i've been thinking about installing another linux distro on it
[12:19] <vixpoxi> any suggestions?
[12:19] <flaccid> well Slackware rocks apparently but yeah i aint used it. probably prefer gentoo
[12:20] <flaccid> vixpoxi: install *bsd and learn unix
[12:20] <vixpoxi> bsd?
[12:20] <flaccid> yes
[12:20] <flaccid> freebsd, openbsd etc.
[12:20] <vixpoxi> mmm
[12:20] <flaccid> probably pc-bsd most suitable
[12:20] <vixpoxi> i was thinking of gentoo
[12:20] <vixpoxi> but i've had trouble getting that install to work
[12:20] <flaccid> yeah or gentoo. funny is that freebsd will be easier
[12:20] <flaccid> yeah exactly
[12:21] <vixpoxi> are you using gentoo?
[12:21] <flaccid> nah
[12:21] <flaccid> im at work where i use dapper
[12:21] <flaccid> at home i use freebsd
[12:21] <vixpoxi> how is freebsd?
[12:21] <flaccid> freebsd rox hard
[12:21] <vixpoxi> i'm on dapper currently, and i'm upgrading to edgy right now
[12:22] <vixpoxi> mm, i'll have to look into that
[12:22] <vixpoxi> i want to try a distro using gnome
[12:22] <flaccid> well i dont recommend the upgrade. my dapper to edgy upgrade although successfull pretty much just opened up bugs and issues whether it was edgy or the upgrade sucked i don't know
[12:22] <vixpoxi> well
[12:22] <flaccid> well most distros have gnome and kde available so it doesn't matter in that respect
[12:23] <vixpoxi> i mainly am upgrading so i can upgrade KDE
[12:23] <vixpoxi> if it gets screwed up, i'll just go back to dapper
[12:23] <vixpoxi> i was thinking of putting another ubuntu build on my 40 gig partition, and using gnome instead of KDE just to get a feel for it
[12:24] <vixpoxi> or debian
[12:24] <flaccid> um
[12:24] <flaccid> no need
[12:24] <flaccid> just install gnome in kubuntu
[12:24] <flaccid> choose from dropdown in kdm login
[12:24] <vixpoxi> huh
[12:25] <vixpoxi> and where do i find this?
[12:25] <flaccid> sudo apt-get isntall ubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <flaccid> just spell install correctly and that should work
[12:25] <vixpoxi> would i beable to look at the packages in synaptic?>
[12:25] <surgy> ok so i just reinstalled kubuntu onto my other hdd
[12:25] <flaccid> vixpoxi: sure
[12:25] <vixpoxi> oh well
[12:25] <surgy> sources.list is in /apt/sources.list right?
[12:25] <vixpoxi> my edgy is finishing up
[12:25] <vixpoxi> so i'll look into other distros when i reboot
[12:25] <flaccid> um /etc/apt
[12:26] <surgy> flaccid oh yeah lol
[12:26] <flaccid> :)
[12:26] <flaccid> well i think thats where it is
[12:26] <flaccid> appears to be :)
[12:26] <Jucato>  /etc/apt/souces.list
[12:27] <imsneakinaround> anyone know why some files on DVDs I have aren't readable? I have some massive collections on some DVDs and it fails around a certain point
[12:27] <imsneakinaround> yet the DVD is perfectly readable in windows, on other PCs, ect
[12:27] <Amadeo> Anyone play WoW in wine? :)
[12:29] <illriginal> is there a special combination of keys i can press to create a new folder?
[12:29] <Jucato> F10
[12:29] <illriginal> or do i need to keep right clickin > create new >
[12:29] <illriginal> ha nice
[12:30] <illriginal> LOL I love LINUX
[12:30] <Jucato> you can always make/set your own keyboard shortcut for it
[12:30] <illriginal> yeah by the way Jucato, how exactly do i do that?
[12:30] <illriginal> i've always wanted to know how to set keys to specific executions.
[12:32] <Jucato> illriginal: in Konqueror, Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
[12:32] <illriginal> niiiiiiice
[12:32] <illriginal> thanks a lot Jucato :)
[12:33] <Jucato> although, F10 seems to be a universal Create Folder shortcut (even in dialog boxes)
[12:33] <illriginal> this is awesome man
[12:34] <illriginal> that kills a lot of time
[12:35] <mena> How to make opera use java5 not java1.4
[12:39] <josh_> who got steam working here
[12:40] <lenscape> something very shakey with SATA DVD writer support in 6.10
[12:41] <lenscape> and K3B only half works
[12:45] <flaccid> mena: its in prefs
[12:45] <mena> flaccid, oka
[12:45] <mena> y
[12:46] <flaccid> find the java button
[12:46] <flaccid> :)
[12:46] <imsneakinaround> so, nobody would know why kubuntu is only half-reading my DVDs?
[12:46] <mena> flaccid, okay
[12:47] <flaccid> imsneakinaround: check the cli output of k3b/log
[12:47] <josh_> can somebody help me work steam in kubuntu
[12:47] <josh_> its working
[12:47] <flaccid> oh
[12:47] <flaccid> thats someone else
[12:47] <josh_> just there are no text on the buttons and menus
[12:47] <flaccid> imsneakinaround: half-reading ?
[12:47] <Minataku> Back
[12:48] <imsneakinaround> flaccid, yeah some of the DVDs I burned with Nero on Windows aren't being read complete, some files are unreadable
[12:48] <imsneakinaround> however, the files are perfectly fine/readable on windows and other PCs, ect
[12:48] <imsneakinaround> its only when I try and read them on my kubuntu setup
[12:49] <flaccid> what are they being mounted with
[12:49] <imsneakinaround> the filesystem?
[12:50] <flaccid> the command
[12:50] <flaccid> when its mounted gogo konsole and type mount and then find the entry and paste the 1 line here
[12:50] <flaccid> gogo=goto
[12:51] <imsneakinaround> hmm
[12:51] <imsneakinaround>  /dev/hdc on /media/DVD type udf (ro)
[12:53] <surgy> ! nvidia
[12:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:54] <imsneakinaround> any idea?
[12:54] <imsneakinaround> I know that the FS is UDF, its mounted as such
[12:58] <josh_> !cedega
[12:58] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[12:58] <josh_> #cedega
[12:59] <josh_> !winex
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <josh_> !cvs
[01:00] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[01:01] <Minataku> SVN or Subversion is the successor to CVS
[01:01] <Minataku> !svn
[01:01] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[01:01] <Minataku> Most people don't use CVS anymore, in fact, it's largely being replaced by SVN
[01:03] <dropsl> hi
[01:06] <dbglt> g'day folks
[01:07] <dbglt> just wondering: I recently purchased a PC with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor (64-bit support) - is it advised I use the 64-bit version or 32 bit?
[01:07] <matthew__> 32 bit
[01:07] <flaccid> 64
[01:08] <matthew__> dbglt, unless you want to deal w/ all the 64-bit headaches (drivers, flash, java, etc...)
[01:08] <flaccid> thats true
[01:08] <Jucato> (w32codecs?)
[01:08] <dbglt> matthew__: hrmm. Is there any significant detriment to not using 64-bit?
[01:08] <matthew__> dbglt, my advice? try both, see which one works best for you...
[01:09] <dbglt> It is on a laptop, so I want things to work most of the time heh
[01:09] <matthew__> dbglt, not really...I think there is a marginal speed boost when using 64 bit...nothing phenomenal...
[01:10] <dbglt> matthew__: thanks for that. I reckon I'll stick with 32 bit for now, then. My laptop is coming tomorrow, just wanted to know which ISO to download  :)
[01:16] <intelikey> hmmm i know one could make a symlink in every home dir that linked to /tmp   but can one make a symlink named /tmp that links to every users home dir ?
[01:17] <DrunkPikachu> I know this might be wrong to ask from a full distro forum but,  would anyone happen to know of any guides which tell you how to create a minmalistic live linux distro from scratch (LFS and rBuilder are a bit too far ahead, I'm talking starting from a kernel compile)?
[01:17] <intelikey> will  ln -s \~/tmp /tmp    work ?
[01:17] <MrCreosote> hi there... question: is the kde system tray an applet? I just can't find where to add another one..
[01:18] <intelikey> DrunkPikachu DSL.org ?   maybe
[01:18] <DrunkPikachu> I'
[01:18] <DrunkPikachu> I'll check it out, thanks.
[01:19] <DrunkPikachu> real useful :|, lol
[01:20] <imsneakinaround> alright, really weird, I got my system to read my half-read DVD
[01:20] <imsneakinaround> by restarting UDFtools
[01:20] <intelikey> DrunkPikachu ah wrong url  i'll look.
[01:22] <cpk1> MrCreosote: pretty sure its an applet
[01:22] <imsneakinaround> believe you meant http://www.damnsmalllinux.org intelikey
[01:23] <intelikey> DrunkPikachu hmmm i didn't find the site i thought i knew where was...  maybe search  for 'damn small' @ http://distrowatch.com/
[01:25] <intelikey> imsneakinaround imsneakinaround actually i don't see the links on that page either.   there was a link to the documentation on how dsl was built    maybe i just over looked it...
[01:26] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround got it, but that still seems way far ahead. I have an assignment to create a live CD from scratch (& write down the steps taken to do so). The professor seems batshit crazy when it comes to homework (given he hasn't actually tought us anything about linux besides architecture) but I'm under the impression I would have to boot into my current linux install, and try to recompile the kernel into a useable live cd(rw).
[01:26] <DrunkPikachu> intelikey that would've been nice
[01:27] <imsneakinaround> I see, so you need to make your own live cd then?
[01:27] <MrCreosote> well,there isn't an entry for "system tray" or anything close in the applet box when I try to add one... funny that
[01:27] <intelikey> i have seen one.   just don't know the url if it's still posted DrunkPikachu   sorry for the misdirrect on the first one.
[01:27] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround, exactly
[01:27] <DrunkPikachu> intelikey: that's ok.
[01:28] <imsneakinaround> hmmmm
[01:28] <MrCreosote> But when I try to remove the "real" one.. i see it right there.. "system tray"
[01:28] <imsneakinaround> lets see if I can't dig something up
[01:28] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: awesome, I'm googling all over the place atm.
[01:29] <intelikey> MrCreosote so you don't see "System Tray"  in the list of applets when you right click the taskbar and select add applet ?     hmmmm?
[01:29] <MrCreosote> exactly
[01:30] <intelikey> well i'm running dapper  but it's there in dapper.
[01:30] <MrCreosote> I'm trying to add it to a "panel".. maybe that's the problem?
[01:30] <imsneakinaround> DrunkPikachu: you want a kubuntu live cd tutorial? or would any version of linux do?
[01:30] <Jucato> you can only have one system tray running at a time
[01:30] <MrCreosote> oh
[01:31] <MrCreosote> so I need to remove it first
[01:31] <Jucato> yes
[01:31] <flaccid> how to install dom inspector with firefox/for firefox??
[01:32] <MrCreosote> fantastic
[01:32] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: Any I guess, all it really needs is to boot into bash or some form of terminal.
[01:32] <MrCreosote> thanks
[01:32] <intelikey> Jucato hmm it does disappear from the list once added...   odd
[01:32] <Jucato> intelikey: it's not really odd. it was meant to be like that
[01:32] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: I think I just found a large wiki based round gentoo, not quite sure if this is what I want
[01:32] <intelikey> and removing it doesn't add it back into the list.
[01:32] <Jucato> intelikey: it does
[01:32] <MrCreosote> it does
[01:32] <intelikey> no
[01:32] <MrCreosote> i just did it
[01:32] <imsneakinaround> yeah I saw that one too
[01:33] <Jucato> (of course you have to restart that Add Applet box)
[01:33] <MrCreosote> of course
[01:33] <intelikey> Jucato you have to restart the ^
[01:33] <imsneakinaround> durnkpikachu: http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/LiveCD_Creation_Resources
[01:33] <imsneakinaround> scroll down to the Linux portion of it
[01:33] <Jucato> intelikey: you were saying?
[01:33] <intelikey> yes.   but it removes it when you click add and doesn't replace it when you remove it from the
[01:33] <intelikey> pannel
[01:33] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: Nicely done! Thanks.
[01:34] <imsneakinaround> hopefully theres enough different tutorials listed there to cobble something together :)
[01:34] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: Even if there isn't I'm sure Ill get more done than anyone else in the class :D
[01:35] <llisper> Hello. Does anyone use Katapult here?
[01:35] <imsneakinaround> haha
[01:35] <intelikey> i would count that as a short-comming in kde.   there should be a refresh button or something to cover that.    one should not need to restart apps for changes to take affect in a one dirrectional way.
[01:35] <llisper> How to choose another application for given starting letters?
[01:35] <Jucato> intelikey: not really that odd. the action of adding the system tray applet comes from the Add Applet dialog box, so it knows that the applet was added to the panel and therefore removes it from the list. removing the applet from the panel, however, doesn't come from the dialog box
[01:35] <intelikey> if it affects in to add an applet it should affect it to remove the same aplet
[01:36] <imsneakinaround> building a live cd that only needs to get into bash should be especially easy
[01:36] <Jucato> intelikey: you're looking at it from the wrong direction.
[01:37] <intelikey> Jucato i don't really need a lecture on why it does that.  i understand all that.  i still stand my ground on the point that a refresh button would be a simple and usefull fix.
[01:37] <Jucato> http://bugs.kde.org
[01:39] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: I would hope so, I'm still a noob. I don't know much more than ls and g++. Maybe some yum..... :)
[01:39] <imsneakinaround> no worries, i'm even more of a noob than that :D
[01:39] <Jucato> llisper: just keep on typing the app's name until you get a hit
[01:40] <imsneakinaround> i'm just guessing that getting to bash is a lot easier than getting an entire distro up :)
[01:40] <llisper> Jucato: But the problem is I have a folder named firefox in my home directory too ...
[01:40] <llisper> so the full name are the same. ...
[01:41] <Jucato> llisper: "Firefox W..."?
[01:43] <flaccid> has firefox 2 been backported to dapper yet?
[01:43] <Jucato> I don't think it will
[01:43] <flaccid> probably too much work for them
[01:43] <Jucato> more of too many dependencies that would/could break Dapper's stability
[01:43] <flaccid> i'd love to know what the actual issue is. probably packagers stuffing around way too much with packages
[01:44] <llisper> Jucato: I want to launch firefox, but it selects a folder named firefox and does not get firefox selected
[01:44] <flaccid> yeah coz they fork stuff way too much in ubuntu
[01:44] <flaccid> make it not extensible
[01:44] <Jucato> llisper: try typing "Firefox W"
[01:45] <llisper> Jucato: ok. got it. Firefox Web Browser ... thanks
[01:45] <Jucato> flaccid: I presume you do have enough packaging and distro knowledge to have come to that conclusion so I won't carry the conversation further
[01:45] <llisper> Jucato: Do you know if Katapult has any keyboard shortcuts to list more than one matching entries?
[01:46] <Jucato> llisper: none yet. it's one feature they're considering, afaik
[01:46] <flaccid> i don't have much knowledge, but i know that a lot of firefox deps packages have been changed a bit too much for that to be a problem. another reason why i moved to freebsd. even windows can support a new firefox :)
[01:46] <codyt> anyone know how to add a custom session to KDM?
[01:47] <Jucato> llisper: fwiw, I turn off the Document catalog because it's the least useful for me
[01:47] <specialbuddy> what's a good program for ripping to ogg
[01:47] <specialbuddy> ?
[01:47] <llisper> Jucato: thanks again.
[01:47] <Bxnp> grip specialbuddy
[01:47] <Bxnp> wich is gnome
[01:47] <Bxnp> but its simple and good
[01:47] <specialbuddy> grip
[01:47] <Bxnp> just do apt-get install grip
[01:48] <specialbuddy> do I have to get a bunch of dependencies for it to work?
[01:48] <Jucato> flaccid: Windows has a different installation system than Linux. it doesn't care about dependencies that much. also, Firefox makes those installers for Windows. it's not appropriate to compare the two
[01:48] <Bxnp> dont know what you alraedy have
[01:48] <Jucato> but this is getting offtopic
[01:48] <Bxnp> just do apt-get install grip
[01:48] <Bxnp> and you will see for yourselff
[01:48] <Jucato> !rip
[01:48] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[01:48] <Jucato> specialbuddy: ^^^
[01:48] <flaccid> Jucato: its totally appropriate. i'm talking from a user level not a developer's..
[01:48] <Jucato> Bxnp: can't get any simpler than that ^^^^
[01:49] <specialbuddy> thanks guys
[01:49] <Bxnp> i know, just a big fan of grip
[01:49] <Bxnp> naar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:49] <Bxnp> ehm wrong channel
[01:49] <flaccid> the average person who is told that their kubuntu can't support the new firefox is not going to care that the OSs are different etc. they will just think that kubuntu sux :)
[01:50] <Jucato> flaccid: they can also be told that *that* particular release of Kubuntu can't support the new firefox, but more recent releases can
[01:50] <Jucato> Dapper was never meant to be a release that will have the latest versions
[01:51] <Bxnp> just go to the firefox and download the latest version
[01:51] <Bxnp> and make symlinks for your old plugins
[01:51] <Bxnp> you dont have to wait before someone puts int in dapper
[01:51] <intelikey> dapper was 'supposed' to be meant for stability...
[01:52] <flaccid> sorry but i think you are missing the point jucy. normal users don't care abou the technical. they just see it has i downloaded the lastest stable 2 weeks ago and firefox2 came out and my OS can't even support it!
[01:52] <Jucato> anyway, like I said, the conversation is getting offtopic. feel free to carry it on in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:52] <flaccid> hmm its about dapper so its ontopic but i have nothing else to say
[01:53] <Jucato> no, the topic is about "ubuntu won't update to firefox 2. 0 in dapper because blah blah blah". this is a support channel
[01:53] <intelikey> flaccid it's not off topic because it's about dapper.  it's off topic because it's an ideological issue and not a "help" issue.
[01:54] <Jucato> also, if you have a packaging question or suggestion, #ubuntu-motu is the place to ask/talk about it
[01:54] <flaccid> well i see it has a cry out for help
[01:54] <flaccid> a cry out for change
[01:54] <flaccid> i need help firefox2 won't work in dapper :)
[01:55] <Jucato> and you already got your answer: you either upgrade to Edgy or you install on your own, using Firefox's code
[01:55] <flaccid> indeed
[01:55] <eimajenthat> How do I set tell KDE to execute a command everytime I login?
[01:55] <flaccid> no reason to go hectic on me when i said i have nothing more to say :)
[01:55] <intelikey> flaccid fair enough.  the answer would be simple.   dapper uses ff1.  so if you need ff2. use a later version on *buntu
[01:55] <intelikey> next
[01:56] <Minataku> That's kind of Microsoft-ish
[01:56] <flaccid> but i just installed dappper :( hehe i'll shut up now..
[01:56] <Jucato> flaccid: I do understand your "need", but this isn't the place to ask about that, as very few packagers are in here anyway
[01:56] <intelikey> exscreemly few
[01:56] <Jucato> eimajenthat: just a command or a program?
[01:56] <Jucato> !autostart
[01:56] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:57] <flaccid> damn straight it is
[01:57] <flaccid> kind of forces someone to use the new release when the old release is still in production and supported for 5 years
[01:57] <flaccid> but hey i'll stfu up now!
[01:57] <flaccid> (i should of been a laywer or a politician)
[01:57] <Ippatsu> eimajenthat: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:57] <Minataku> "It's not supported, upgrade or f?ck off"
[01:58] <Minataku> Excuses again :P
[01:58] <flaccid> hehe
[01:58] <intelikey> flaccid how does it force you ?    why do you even  need/want ff ?
[01:58] <Minataku> Please don't make me sorry I finally decided to recommend *buntu to people
[01:58] <flaccid> i'm a web developer. period. :)
[01:59] <Jucato> Minataku: unlike MS, upgrading to a new version doesn't cost you money
[01:59] <Minataku> Ooooh, it's like getting hit with a combo in Street Fighter, except here credibility is dropping like a rock instead of health
[01:59] <intelikey> flaccid then why aren't you running developement versions of * ?
[01:59] <flaccid> don't feel like waiting 20 hours to upgrade when it will probably have issues after anyway
[01:59] <will> hey guys.  I'm pretty new to linux.  I was just in the process of upgrading to Edgy when everything got messed up
[01:59] <flaccid> because i develop websites, not mozilla ?
[01:59] <eimajenthat> It's not that Microsoft-ish.  Microsoft would charge $500 for edgy, instead of making it free.  And FF1 would have serious security issues, rather than working quite well, as it does IMHO.
[02:00] <Jucato> flaccid: users need to get used to the concept of what LTS is. it's a new idea to Ubuntu so a lot of misconceptions happen.
[02:00] <Minataku> flaccid: Maybe switch to Gentoo, it's harder but if you follow the instructions properly it's not bad
[02:00] <flaccid> where is on unix, you'd just do the upgrade :)
[02:00] <Minataku> Not to mention that what you want is pretty much what you get, period.
[02:00] <Jucato> flaccid: but in time, it will be understood. just like Debian Stable
[02:00] <will> I changed all of the "dapper"s to "edgy" in my source list in Adept
[02:00] <Minataku> I've got Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:00] <codyt> <3gentoo
[02:00] <Jucato> !upgrade | will
[02:00] <ubotu> will: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:00] <Minataku> codyt: Same here
[02:00] <flaccid> don't worry i read the document on LTS. need to ack that people are not smart and also don't like to read...
[02:01] <flaccid> Minataku: nah freebsd  :)
[02:01] <Minataku> flaccid: I guess your only hope is to install/compile yourself and break everything or upgrade and break everything
[02:01] <codyt> I'd still be using my gentoo installation if I hadn't already done so much to this kubuntu installation
[02:01] <Jucato> flaccid: presuming that all users are not smart or wouldn't understand is doing a disservice to them, not to mention insulting them
[02:01] <will> and then fetched updates and did "full upgrade"
[02:01] <Minataku> Jucato: More or less telling people they're SOL is a much greater disservice
[02:01] <Jucato> will: you have to follow that guide given above
[02:01] <will> it got hung up somewhere and Adept quit
[02:01] <flaccid> Jucato: i could cite statistics but i won't waste my time. i didn't use the word ALL.
[02:02] <flaccid> but how many people have you told to read something and they havnt you know exactly what i mean..
[02:02] <Jucato> flaccid: in logic, the absence of something that limits number (like some, a few) presumes an "all"
[02:02] <flaccid> who reads the who manual before driving the new car?
[02:02] <intelikey> Minataku i want a linux system that will run all the windows stuff ?
[02:02] <flaccid> Jucato: definition of generalisation would disagree :)
[02:02] <flaccid> and honestly who has read a windows manual :)
[02:02] <eimajenthat> Thanks all for the autostart tips in KDE
[02:02] <will> Jucato: I think I've ruined that
[02:02] <Minataku> flaccid: I did
[02:03] <flaccid> i think i did too
[02:03] <Minataku> I think I actually read my paper Windows 95 manual
[02:03] <Jucato> I didn't, because I didn't have one
[02:03] <Minataku> Back when you actually GOT manuals
[02:03] <will> Jucato: after adept quit the upgrade (probably done wrong), I lost SU ability
[02:03] <Jucato> will: try to follow the steps again, it might stil work out. and don't use adept
[02:03] <intelikey> Minataku so will the newest version of kubuntu or any other distro do that ?
[02:03] <flaccid> well its not a bad generalisation to say that the chances of a non-technical person reading the manual is low.
[02:03] <flaccid> call me a realist.
[02:03] <intelikey> Minataku i want a linux system that will run all the windows stuff ?     am i "SOL" ?
[02:03] <will> Jucato: I restarted and now I can't even login
[02:04] <Jucato> will: try booting into Recovery mode?
[02:04] <Jucato> !offtopic (again)
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[02:04] <will> Jucato: THATS WHERE i'M AT NOW
[02:04] <Minataku> intelikey: Depends, what old-ass version of WINE is on Dapper/Edgy?
[02:04] <Minataku> Speaking of, I need to up to the latest
[02:05] <Minataku> Thankfully a simple, single-line command gets me precisely what I wish
[02:05] <will> Jucato: I'm at the command line and don't know what to do.  again, a newbie that has been spoiled by years of gui
[02:05] <Minataku> Without having to upgrade EVERYTHING
[02:05] <Jucato> will: are you able to browse that page given above about upgrading? the instructions there are for the command line
[02:06] <Jucato> will: except the "sudo -i" part
[02:06] <Jucato> because you will be root when you boot into REcovery mode
[02:06] <will> Jucato: ok, I'll give that a shot.
[02:06] <Minataku> I assume "Recovery Mode" == "Single-User Mode"?
[02:06] <Jucato> will: I'd say start with #3
[02:06] <Jucato> Minataku: yep
[02:06] <Minataku> Ah
[02:06] <will> Jucato: so when it says "sudo -i" do I just omit, or replace with something else
[02:07] <will> Jucato: ok, I'll try that
[02:07] <Jucato> will: no need to if you went to recovery mode. you will have something like username@ubuntu:~#
[02:07] <Minataku> Sorry for flying off the handle, but that really just brought back memories of Windows and the closed-source crap that runs on it
[02:08] <Minataku> Single-User Mode is a special mode where multiuser is severely restricted, pretty much nonexistant... the only user logged in is root, and is intended only for maintenance issues
[02:08] <Jucato> this is one of those maintenance cases
[02:08] <Jucato> but..
[02:08] <Jucato> will: what happens when you try to boot normally?
[02:09] <intelikey>         "everything is a compromise of some sort."   "you can't have your cake and eat it too," as long as "developers" whether of distros or single apps, have the attatude that they do seem to have in common; namely "it works on what we built it for" then you will never have unilateral compatability.  it's simply not possable.    another factor involved is the common denomonator that almost without exception, everyone is
[02:10] <will> Jucato: just a sec, I'll run through it again and give you more spec details
[02:10] <Minataku> intelikey: Funny, I have no issues with the latest versions on Gentoo
[02:11] <Minataku> Currently running Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:11] <Minataku> And as soon as Portage completes it's sync, I'ma install the latest version of WINE
[02:12] <will> Jucato: I login as usual and it goes straight to a blue screen with error message "could not start kstartupconfig.  Check your installation"
[02:12] <Minataku> This is on topic, believe it or now
[02:12] <Minataku> *not
[02:13] <Jucato> will: press Ctrl+Alt+F1 then login, then enter the command "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[02:13] <Jucato> then follow the upgrade guide
[02:13] <intelikey> Minataku so does photoshop and all the latest windows stuff run on that system ?    does all the mac stuff run there does all the solarus stuff..... ?
[02:13] <will> Jucato: it also cant start kdeinit.
[02:14] <Jucato> will: but can you press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a console session?
[02:14] <klepto> anyone know why adobe flash 9 has sound problems in firefox but not in any other browser?
[02:15] <notech> klepto: using OSS or ALSA for sound?
[02:15] <Minataku> intelikey: Of course not, it's a Linux system, but you're obviously reaching for completely unrelated things in an attempt to rescure your side of the argument
[02:15] <will> Jucato: it asks for a password.  I give the su password.  it works for a minute and then replies "login incorrect"
[02:15] <juano__> klepto: cat /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[02:15] <klepto> alsa
[02:16] <intelikey> Minataku i had/have no "side in that argument"
[02:16] <Jucato> will: you need to login there like you login to KDE. give your username and your user password
[02:16] <klepto> no such /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[02:16] <klepto> let me check my home dir
[02:16] <juano__> klepto: 2.0 ?
[02:17] <klepto> yup
[02:17] <juano__> klepto: ls -a /etc/firefox ??
[02:18] <klepto> my bad
[02:18] <klepto> found it
[02:18] <klepto> FIREFOX_DSP=aoss
[02:19] <klepto> wow that is wierd
[02:19] <juano__> klepto: mmm... neat, i got "none" in there and works fine, maybe changing that to alsa or alsaoss will help
[02:20] <Minataku> Oooh
[02:20] <Minataku> Cyrillic
[02:20] <juano__> "aoss" should say or "none", first sudo cp firefoxrc firefoxrc.bak
[02:20] <specialbuddy> is there a way to change bitrate with kaudiocreater
[02:20] <Minataku> I compile my kernels with ALSA + OSS Emulation, covers all the bases and never had an issue yet
[02:21] <will> Jucato: I logged in as myself.  then typed the command you gave.  entered su password.  it went to the kubuntu black screen with the progress bar.  0 progress has been made after 5min
[02:21] <Minataku> Sorry, intelikey, BTW, if I upset you in any way... was not my intention
[02:22] <klepto> my next question: i need to put rsync in cron but i don't know how to make it work without supplying a password
[02:22] <Jucato> will: oh, go back to Ctrl+Alt+F1, then use the guide, start from #1
[02:22] <intelikey> Minataku no blood no foul
[02:23] <Minataku> ^^
[02:28] <harden> so, I can startx successfully from the cl as root, but can't login as a normal user. any recommendations on (maybe) config files I should try copying from the root account or any other help would be appreciated
[02:28] <intelikey> harden own your home
[02:28] <harden> intelikey: ?
[02:28] <intelikey> harden man chown
[02:28] <flaccid> harden: check xorg log
[02:28] <slyfox> Someone talk to me. I have installed fresh Kubuntu 6.10 and as it jsut isntalled, I went into the source list, added the latest KDE 3.5.6 and only then pressed the update and the full upgrade button. It did a huge update of everything, then I installed latest nvidia drivers and firefox and autofs skype. And only then I restarted. All worked well, but skype, gizmo and wengo would have problems with voice. I tried
[02:28] <slyfox> everything that I knew (I know very little I am a noob) and nothing worked. So I reintalled Kubuntu again now without the latest KDE and just did everything as I did efore but without ugrading to the latest KDE. Skype works well. Is there a bug in latest KDE I should report ?
[02:28] <harden> I know how chown works. are you suggesting that I change the owner of my user account to root?
[02:29] <flaccid> check log before any action
[02:29] <harden> user account's ~ rather?
[02:29] <intelikey> harden in short  it sounds like you ran something like konqueror with sudo konqueror and messed up permissions in your home.      command would look something like the exampel here: sudo chown -R muskrat:muskrat /home/muskrat
[02:29] <flaccid> like tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:30] <intelikey> harden and the question you asked "are you suggesting that I change the owner of my user account to root? <<< contridicts the perseeding statement you made >>> <harden> I know how chown works.
[02:31] <harden> see my 2nd statement. I meant to say user's home folder and corrected myself
[02:31] <flaccid> harden: follow intelikey's command if that doesn't fix it check xorg log and go from there
[02:33] <tamacracker> Hey guys...
[02:33] <tamacracker> my firefox
[02:33] <tamacracker> keeps tryin to open but then it closes automatically
[02:33] <tamacracker> how do i fix this problem?
[02:34] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Launch it from a Konsole session and see what errors it gives.
[02:34] <tamacracker> ok
[02:35] <tamacracker> heh
[02:35] <tamacracker> do i type firefox?
[02:35] <Slackwise> Most likely.
[02:35] <Slackwise> Or mozilla-firefox
[02:35] <tamacracker> Failed to open device
[02:35] <tamacracker> Segmentation fault
[02:36] <Slackwise> Is the error Fireefox gives?
[02:36] <tamacracker> yes
[02:36] <Slackwise> Weird...
[02:36] <tamacracker> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:36] <Slackwise> I'd delete your ~/.mozilla directory
[02:36] <tamacracker> huh?! why?...
[02:36] <Slackwise> (but keep your bookmarks.html)
[02:36] <tamacracker> ok
[02:36] <Slackwise> And restart Firefox.
[02:36] <tamacracker> keep my bookmarks
[02:37] <tamacracker> which is a html document
[02:37] <intelikey> Jucato is this error common place or do i have something broken ?    >>> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[02:37] <Slackwise> Yep.
[02:37] <tamacracker> and delete everything else
[02:37] <tamacracker> ok
[02:37] <Jucato> intelikey: very common
[02:37] <intelikey> ok.
[02:37] <Slackwise> I mean, I could go ahead and diagnose things in a more complicated manner, but I'm assuming that Firefox may just be poorly configured.
[02:37] <Slackwise> Erasing all of ~/.mozilla will erase your configuration.
[02:37] <intelikey> i couldn't see it affecting anything but noticed the recurant error
[02:37] <Slackwise> Is this a recent event? Or have you never been able to launch Firefox?
[02:38] <tamacracker> Slackwise
[02:38] <tamacracker> when i restart my machine
[02:38] <tamacracker> (not x)
[02:38] <tamacracker> it'll fix it
[02:38] <tamacracker> when i restart x
[02:38] <tamacracker> it doesn't help
[02:38] <Slackwise> Ahhh, okay, well.
[02:38] <Slackwise> That changes things. :P
[02:38] <tamacracker> yeah it happens randomly
[02:38] <Slackwise> This involves analysis of all your log files.
[02:39] <tamacracker> some days it works without a problem, other times it'll just close by itself, then i try to restart it and it pretends to load but then quickly closes.
[02:39] <tamacracker> ok..
[02:39] <Slackwise> If it's complaining about a device, I'd check the kernel message logs.
[02:39] <will> Jucato: how do I access kate or some other text editor from the command line
[02:39] <Slackwise> Or if it's X related, I'd check the x.org logs.
[02:39] <Jucato> will: use "nano"
[02:39] <will> Jucato: I thought I knew how but I keep getting an error that it cannot connect to x server
[02:39] <tamacracker> console.log?
[02:39] <Slackwise> It's complaining about a "bad input device", correct?
[02:39] <Jucato> will: in nano, Ctrl+O = save/overwrite, and Ctrl+X = exit
[02:39] <Slackwise> tamacracker: /var/log/x.org.log or similar.
[02:39] <tamacracker> yeah
[02:40] <will> how do I get to nano
[02:40] <tamacracker> ok
[02:40] <Slackwise> And then you can read through the output of "dmesg"
[02:40] <Jucato> will: what are you trying to edit?
[02:40] <Jucato> will: just type "nano filename" or "sudo nano filename"
[02:41] <will> Jucato: sources list.  k
[02:41] <Jucato> will: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <tamacracker> uh.. Slackwise
[02:42] <tamacracker> can i post it onto pastebin
[02:42] <tamacracker> and maybe you can help me fix this?
[02:43] <tamacracker> the file i opened is Xorg.0.log
[02:43] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Yea, let me take a look :P
[02:43] <tamacracker> sweet
[02:43] <Minataku> Holy crap... the first public release of Debian has all email addresses at pixar.com
[02:43] <Minataku> Suddenly it dawns on me precisely why their releases are named after Toy Story characters
[02:44] <tamacracker> www.pastebin.com
[02:44] <tamacracker> ah crap i gotta use konquere lol
[02:45] <intelikey> Minataku oh cool  redhat 2.0    that's  old   :)
[02:45] <Minataku> Heehee, yeah
[02:46] <Minataku> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/ << BTW, since this started in a PM XD
[02:47] <tamacracker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3412/
[02:47] <tamacracker> Slackwise ^
[02:48] <slyfox> What is the command to udpate and upgraade? sudp apt-get update, apt-get upgrade?
[02:49] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Ack, interesting.
[02:49] <tamacracker> what?
[02:49] <tamacracker> ><
[02:49] <Jucato> dist-upgrade
[02:49] <Slackwise> Pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:49] <tamacracker> ok
[02:50] <intelikey> slyfox edit your sources.list and do:  sudp apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade              but be advised that the guide on the wiki may sujest other perceeding steps. and any upgrade may break things.
[02:50] <intelikey> !upgrade | slyfox
[02:50] <ubotu> slyfox: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:51] <josh_> hey
[02:51] <josh_> how do i install cedega
[02:51] <tamacracker> slackwise: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3413/
[02:51] <josh_> its a shell script file
[02:51] <intelikey> sh file.sh
[02:51] <intelikey> sudo sh file.sh
[02:51] <intelikey> probably.
[02:52] <intelikey> pro-bob-a-billy
[02:53] <Slackwise> tamacracker: You used nvidia-xconfig...? nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[02:53] <tamacracker> huh?
[02:53] <tamacracker> i dont understand slackwise.
[02:53] <Slackwise> tamacracker: line 1 of xorg.conf
[02:54] <Slackwise> Last time I tried nvidia-xconfig, it broke things :P
[02:54] <Slackwise> Badly.
[02:54] <tamacracker> <,< what do i do?
[02:54] <tamacracker> im scared to mess with that.
[02:54] <tamacracker> last time i messed with it.. it broke my gui
[02:54] <tamacracker> lol
[02:55] <slyfox> Why is Ubuntu so high and Kubuntu so low? I wonder.
[02:55] <intelikey> high ~ low ?
[02:55] <slyfox> on distrowatch
[02:55] <slyfox> rating
[02:56] <intelikey> number of ld's
[02:56] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Hmm, I really should be on Linux so I can test some things, but I'm fairly sure the wacom tablet drivers section should be commented out in xorg.conf
[02:56] <tamacracker> yeah i dont have a tablet pc lol
[02:56] <slyfox> intelikey: I mean, why is Ubuntu more popular than Kubuntu, Kubuntu is really cool.
[02:56] <tamacracker> is wacom associated with wireless connection?
[02:56] <Slackwise> No.
[02:56] <Slackwise> wacom == tablet maker
[02:57] <Slackwise> http://www.infogrip.com/images/products/Graphireweb_prod.jpg
[02:57] <tamacracker> oh screw it, im gonna just comment it out.
[02:57] <tamacracker> yeah i dont have that lol
[02:57] <Slackwise> By default, I recall it being in all pre-configured xorg.conf files, but I'm fairly sure it was commented out.
[02:57] <dope> so i'm not employed by a company that makes money off of DRM materials
[02:58] <Slackwise> And I have barely mucked around with xorg seeing as the default configs often work flawlessly. Last time I remember wrangling and fighting X11 was with XFree86 on an ATI card.
[02:58] <Slackwise> But that was back around kernel 2.2 and 2.4
[02:58] <tamacracker> so comment all this out, line for line, yes?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3415/
[02:59] <intelikey> slyfox because it's not as promoted ?
[02:59] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Yes, put # as the first character of each of those lines
[02:59] <tamacracker> ok
[02:59] <intelikey> slyfox ask me a question about the way linux does things...   but don't ask me about marketing...
[03:00] <Slackwise> tamacracker: I'm not 100% sure that will fix your issue, but it will get rid of the error messages from the xorg logs.
[03:00] <tamacracker> yeah i dont want things that i dont need
[03:00] <intelikey> Slackwise do you have a default xorg.conf ?
[03:00] <tamacracker> and i dunno exactly how to get rid of them all
[03:00] <tamacracker> other than add/remove programs
[03:01] <Slackwise> intelikey: Nope.
[03:01] <intelikey> Slackwise ummmm hmmm.   well i'm not sure which release started it.  but all the default xorg.conf files in *buntu have the three wacom entries
[03:02] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Either way, Firefox was complaining about a bad input device. So was Xorg. A wacom tablet is an input device. Your Xorg has the lines uncommented... logically, this seems sane. But there are other factors that may come into play."
[03:02] <Slackwise> intelikey: Yes, but uncommented?
[03:02] <Slackwise> Also, I'm not on Linux right now.
[03:02] <Slackwise> I'm doing work related stuff, on XP and my PowerBook. :/
[03:02] <intelikey> yes.  and  the standard answer is "ignore the errors, they don't hurt anything"
[03:03] <Slackwise> intelikey: I was assuming that possibility.
[03:03] <Slackwise> intelikey: I know that back in the XFree86 days, it would have fallen flat on it's face from such an error.
[03:03] <tamacracker> naw these errors are screwing up my firefox
[03:03] <tamacracker> slackwise as of now is correct..
[03:03] <tamacracker> that's an input device i dont use nor need
[03:03] <Slackwise> Yea, but that may not be the true issue.
[03:03] <tamacracker> and it needs to be commented if that'll stop tryin to use a hardware i dont use.
[03:03] <Slackwise> Firefox is the only application that has issues, right?
[03:04] <tamacracker> yes
[03:04] <tamacracker> the only one.
[03:04] <Slackwise> It may just be a configuration issue, to be honest. (like I stated earlier, with the removal of ~/.mozilla)
[03:04] <[aegis] > Hey, I'm having a little problem with my post-login splash screen... I tried changing it in the menu, and now the account won't load the desktop properly... does anyone know where the actual config file is to modify the splash screen?
[03:04] <Slackwise> Seeing as nothing else is affected, my first step would have been to scrap my mozilla config and just put my bookmarks back in
[03:04] <Slackwise> If that didn't work, I'd sit down and read logs. :P
[03:05] <Slackwise> Like intelikey stated, it's standard to have the wacom tablets listed in xorg.conf, and I know I've seen them. I didn't recall if they were commented or not.
[03:05] <Slackwise> Seeing as Xorg starts, and all other applications work, the wacom errors seem negligible.
[03:05] <tamacracker> but how about the files i downloaded, such as addons?
[03:05] <will> Jucato: ok, I've been following the guide.  so far, everything is the same as I did the first time
[03:06] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Those will be gone, unless you backup the plugins directory inside your mozilla profile
[03:06] <intelikey> [aegis]  look in ~/.kde/share/config/   maybe
[03:06] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Also, they may be the source of the issue :P
[03:06] <tamacracker> and how come sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  is not workin?
[03:06] <Slackwise> you want kdesu
[03:06] <Slackwise> Instead of sudo
[03:06] <tamacracker> ok
[03:07] <intelikey> [aegis]  if that's not what you are after the system wide kdm settings are in /etc/kde*/kdm/   something.
[03:07] <will> Jucato: when I tried # apt-get -u dist-upgrade  it was unable to install and said some dependencies were missing.  it recommended using -f
[03:07] <tamacracker> Command 'kedit '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'' not found
[03:07] <ForgeAus> um I've gone and messed up my kubuntu again!
[03:07] <Slackwise> err, kate
[03:07] <harden> well, changing ownership of the files in /home didn't work, but it put me on the right path, so thanks
[03:07] <will> Jucato:  does -u stand for upgrade and -f stand for full install?
[03:07] <Slackwise> Kate is the KDE editor.
[03:07] <tamacracker> ok
[03:07] <ForgeAus> this time its very very strange
[03:07] <intelikey> wrong file name
[03:07] <Jucato> will: try step #5
[03:07] <ForgeAus> (even stranger if you ask me)
[03:07] <Jucato> will: no. -f  means fix
[03:07] <ForgeAus> well its not exactly messed up it actually boots into... erm.... something
[03:08] <intelikey> tamacracker look for /etc/X11/nvidia*
[03:08] <ForgeAus> busybox...
[03:08] <tamacracker> why nvidia?
[03:08] <will> Jucato: should I take the computer's recommendation before moving to step 5?
[03:08] <Slackwise> Or is there a Kedit? Sorry, I'm not really a KDE users much. I tried Kubuntu as an alternative to my usual Gentoo/GNOME usage, because I'm too busy to deal with compilations and the sort. :/
[03:08] <tamacracker> im scared to mess with my video drivers.
[03:08] <tamacracker> kate did the trick
[03:08] <intelikey> file name is nvidia-xconfig   or some such.
[03:08] <Jucato> will: um.. hm... try step 5 first. if that doesn't work, "sudo apt-get -f install"
[03:09] <intelikey> " -f stand for full install?"   no -f == finish
[03:09] <josh_> ok i have cedega
[03:10] <josh_> #cedega
[03:10] <dwidmann|sleep> -f == --fix-broken
[03:10] <_spaz> hello
[03:10] <will> k
[03:10] <_spaz> i have a microphone problem
[03:10] <Amadeo> I'm still having problems with Adept loading
[03:11] <_spaz> in my programs i can't get the mic to work
[03:11] <_spaz> but when i activate the mic in kmix i hear my echo
[03:11] <tamacracker> ok.. gonna restart X
[03:11] <_spaz> but it won't record
[03:12] <intelikey> dwidmann|sleep -f == --fix-broken  ?    umm   -f & --fix-broken  == finish installing what ever is not finished...
[03:12] <Amadeo> To be honest, I think I know what the problem is...I load Adept, but it doesn't prompt me for a password sometimes, and just doesn't load...
[03:13] <intelikey> symantic.  i know.  so disreguard.
[03:13] <dwidmann|sleep> exactly
[03:14] <dwidmann|sleep> amadeo, that's a problem with kdesu afaik
[03:14] <Amadeo> dwidmann: Is there any fix for it?
[03:15] <dwidmann> If only :\
[03:15] <Amadeo> :(
[03:15] <intelikey> i can say without reservation that i have had more problems and breakages with dpkg than any other package manager that i have ever used.    and the least trubble with rpm.      but have learned how to fix all of them on my own boxen
[03:16] <will> Jucato: ok, I think my sources list has some issues.  when I "apt-get update" it tells me that some were ignored or unable to download
[03:16] <_spaz> i need help with my mic
[03:16] <underdog5004> intelikey, lol, I didn't even realize that dpkg was a package manager!
[03:16] <Jucato> will: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[03:16] <Jucato> !pastebin | will
[03:16] <ubotu> will: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:16] <dwidmann> !dpkg | underdog5004
[03:16] <ubotu> underdog5004: dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[03:16] <intelikey> underdog5004 it's what adept/apt/dselect/apatude all use.
[03:16] <underdog5004> ah, ok
[03:17] <intelikey> oh and synaptic and kpkg
[03:17] <intelikey> !dpkg
[03:17] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[03:17] <underdog5004> right
[03:18] <_spaz> i have a problem with my mic
[03:18] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh, again?
[03:18] <_spaz> in my programs i can't get the mic to work
[03:18] <_spaz> but when i activate the mic in kmix i hear my echo
[03:19] <LobsterWing> spaz is your other name ace>
[03:20] <underdog5004> so...
[03:20] <_spaz> no
[03:20] <ForgeAus> kpkg?
[03:20] <ForgeAus> I thought it was kpackage
[03:20] <intelikey> !kpkg
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpkg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <intelikey> hmmm may be.
[03:21] <ForgeAus> !kpackage
[03:21] <ubotu> kpackage: KDE package management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 679 kB, installed size 1388 kB
[03:21] <LobsterWing> i have this mic problem too
[03:21] <ForgeAus> I actually like it better than adept!
[03:21] <LobsterWing> i cant get it to work on ts and skype
[03:21] <ForgeAus> and thats saying something
[03:21] <ForgeAus> its a bit more manual tho
[03:21] <underdog5004> doesn't synaptic cover all packages for debian?
[03:21] <_spaz> is anyone gonna help me?
[03:21] <ForgeAus> but I can add slackware packages to it! lol (warning: this is not recommended)
[03:22] <premier_> does anyone here know about kbluetoothd?  I thinks its running, but I dont have the icon in my system tray
[03:22] <ForgeAus> (if your an advanced user most slackware binaries are ok, its source packages where you run into trouble)
[03:22] <intelikey> underdog5004 yes and so do  apt aptitude adept deselect and kpackage
[03:22] <underdog5004> _spaz, the only thing I can think of, is this...make sure your soundcard is set to full-duplex in System Settings
[03:23] <intelikey> all are frontends to dpkg
[03:23] <underdog5004> intelikey, ah
[03:23] <josh_> is the new kubuntu actually stable
[03:23] <_spaz> mmkay
[03:23] <_spaz> laters
[03:23] <ForgeAus> (installpkg works fine if you simply copy it from a slackware (11.0 at least) ... but I suggest also copy over the additional tar binary)
[03:23] <underdog5004> intelikey, apt is a frontend for dpkg?
[03:23] <intelikey> yes
[03:23] <ForgeAus> underdog basically yeah
[03:23] <ForgeAus> so is aptitude
[03:23] <intelikey> all of them.
[03:23] <ForgeAus> synaptic :)
[03:23] <underdog5004> lol, synaptic is a frontend for a frontend?
[03:24] <underdog5004> I love learning things
[03:24] <ForgeAus> yes
[03:24] <ForgeAus> synaptic is a gui front end for dkpg (which is a console app)
[03:24] <will> Jucato: I'm not sure how to access pastebin from the command line
[03:24] <ForgeAus> actually that means its not a frontend for a frontend
[03:24] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I thought it was a f/e for apt
[03:24] <underdog5004> yeah
[03:25] <ForgeAus> hmmm I'm not sure if it uses apt-get or dpkg but I would have thought it was dpkg
[03:25] <intelikey> anyone that questions that let them sudo mv /usr/bin/dpkg /root/    and then try to use any of the "so called" package managers in *buntu
[03:25] <ForgeAus> (because it prompts you to use dpkg --configure -a when some packages don't install)
[03:25] <dwidmann> ForgeAus, it uses libapt, AFAIK
[03:26] <dwidmann> and its dependencies list agrees with me
[03:26] <ForgeAus> ok interesting then perhaps it IS a frontend for apt-get... strange... is apt-get what manages the dependancies?)
[03:26] <intelikey> no dpkg is
[03:27] <ForgeAus> ahh good to know thats at the lower level :)
[03:27] <intelikey> yep
[03:27] <will> Jucato: would it be easier, if pasted your source.list and I copied it?
[03:28] <[aegis] > Alright, I'm not getting this... I screwed up the splash screen, and it no longer displays stuff on the desktop.  The stuff is there, I can mouse over or click on icons and stuff, but I just can't see them.  Anyone knows what's up?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> um intelikey what would create a wrapper root around my boot drives root?
[03:29] <intelikey> ForgeAus ?   what you mean ?
[03:30] <ForgeAus> when I mount sdb2 on my LiveCD its (seems at least) as it should be
[03:30] <Amadeo> Anyone having trouble with regedit in wine 0.9.30?
[03:30] <ForgeAus> but when I boot up
[03:30] <ForgeAus> I get into some shell called ash, in something busybox? and the root is a different filesystem that has my real (sdb2) filesystem mounted under its /root directory
[03:30] <josh_> is oracle actually good for multimedia
[03:31] <josh_> #oracle
[03:31] <ForgeAus> something very strange going on there
[03:31] <ForgeAus> I thought oracle was a database
[03:31] <ForgeAus> (management system)
[03:31] <josh_> yeah
[03:32] <josh_> it can be for server and workstation
[03:32] <josh_> but
[03:32] <josh_> in the installation
[03:32] <josh_> you can select home desktop
[03:32] <Ash-Fox> ForgeAus, usually that happens when something really bad screwed up in the boot proccess
[03:32] <ForgeAus> Ash, I think something has
[03:32] <ForgeAus> but my grub looks fine
[03:33] <Ash-Fox> Did you install any updates recently?
[03:33] <ForgeAus> lots!
[03:33] <Ash-Fox> Such as?
[03:33] <ForgeAus> approx 80 mb worth
[03:33] <ForgeAus> I don't know all the things it said were upgradable
[03:33] <ForgeAus> I didn't actually read the list
[03:34] <intelikey> ForgeAus you are not getting to the root fs.   that's an initramfs with a busybox shell so you can diagnose and fix the error.     you probably need to do this from the live CD  "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt ;sudo chroot /mnt mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-<version> <version> "   you can check the version with ls /mnt/boot/   and look at the latest vmlinuz*
[03:34] <intelikey> translate <version>   to something approperate.
[03:34] <ForgeAus> wait wait wait too much
[03:34] <ForgeAus> one step at a time
[03:34] <ForgeAus> I'm in th e live cd and I've mounted sdb2 already
[03:35] <intelikey> mounted where ?
[03:35] <ForgeAus> whats the chroot/mnt mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img thingy about?
[03:35] <ForgeAus> (/media/sdb2
[03:35] <intelikey> mounted where ?
[03:35] <intelikey> k
[03:35] <ForgeAus> it looks fine
[03:35] <ForgeAus> um there is one thing tho
[03:35] <intelikey> ls /media/sdb2/boot
[03:36] <ForgeAus> yes
[03:36] <ForgeAus> and grub
[03:36] <ForgeAus> grub seems to work
[03:36] <intelikey> what is the name of the highest number vmlinuz file ?
[03:36] <ForgeAus> vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:36] <mshade-laptop> highest number vmlinuz file?
[03:37] <intelikey> ok.
[03:37] <ForgeAus> initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:37] <ForgeAus> matches
[03:37] <intelikey> sudo chroot /media/sdb2 mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic 2.6.17-10-generic
[03:37] <intelikey> issue that command ^
[03:38] <ForgeAus> ok done
[03:38] <intelikey> finished without error ?
[03:38] <jaysims> After I install from the live CD, what is the default password for su?
[03:38] <ForgeAus> yup
[03:38] <ForgeAus> didn't seem to do anything
[03:38] <ForgeAus> except access my hdd...
[03:38] <surgy> i get this error when installing savage: /home/surgy/.setup19328: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:38] <Minataku> jaysims: You can't su to root
[03:39] <intelikey> ForgeAus ls -l /media/sdb2/boot/init*      check the size and date.
[03:39] <Yourname> Hi, I got D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. C1, on a freshly installed Kubuntu Edgy. Wireless Assistant 0.5.5 seems to have it under wlan0, and it's able to scan networks without me doing any extra work.. but it's not connecting. Is there anything I need to do? I'm connecting to a no-security AP.
[03:39] <surgy> hi minataku :)
[03:39] <Minataku> Hi, surgy :3
[03:39] <ForgeAus> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5718519 2007-01-30 13:38 /media/sdb2/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:39] <Minataku> Yourname: First of all, SECURE YOUR ACCESS POINT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
[03:40] <intelikey> should work
[03:40] <slyfox> Does cifs depand on smbfs? It looks like I could not mount samba partitions via cifs untill I installed smbfs ???
[03:40] <surgy> intelikey: any ideas on my error?
[03:40] <jaysims> OK.  I'm trying to install firefox and in the help is says to su.  I do that in a Konsole and it asks for a password.  What do I put?
[03:40] <cybersiena> ...
[03:40] <ForgeAus> weird that it doesn't then
[03:40] <surgy> jaysims: your sudo pw
[03:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus check the /media/sdb2/boot/grub/menu.lst   make sure the root= for that version kernel is correct    if so  try to boot.
[03:41] <Yourname> *sigh* I should've added that at this point, I want to get it working without security.
[03:41] <Yourname> Can you please help, Minataku?
[03:41] <Yourname> :)
[03:41] <surgy> jaysims: why dont you just "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[03:41] <surgy> jaysims: that installs it for you
[03:41] <jaysims> I did that.  It won't let me execute the command "mv firefox /usr/local"  Do I not have write permissions to this folder?
[03:41] <Minataku> Yourname: Personally, I'd rather not until you have it secured properly
[03:41] <Minataku> Having an unsecured access point is very dangerous
[03:41] <ForgeAus> yup matches
[03:41] <surgy> jaysims: if you are sudo you should
[03:42] <jaysims> ahhhh.  I'll try that instead.  Thank you, surgy.
[03:42] <intelikey> ForgeAus try it.
[03:42] <surgy> jaysims: np
[03:42] <ForgeAus> ok... prolly cusoon
[03:42] <Yourname> Minataku, I'm not a newb, lol. Come on.
[03:42] <ForgeAus> I don't think we changed anything so I don't expect this to work
[03:42] <Minataku> Yourname: Then why, may I ask, do you WANT an unsecured AP?
[03:42] <surgy> minataku: he must want to share it with his hood
[03:43] <Minataku> Try running wlassistant from a console
[03:43] <intelikey> surgy install libgtk2.0-dev  ?
[03:43] <Minataku> And see why it's failing
[03:43] <surgy> intelikey: ill try it maybe it was a typo last time but it didnt show im my repos last time
[03:43] <Minataku> I use wlassistant when I'm away from home and it dumps a lot of somewhat useful info to stderr
[03:43] <Yourname> Because my router with 3rd party firmware supports WPA2, but my roomie's laptop supports WEP, and maybe WPA. I'd rather get WPA2. But then again, I don't care about his security. And my roomie is gonna leave soon, so till then.
[03:43] <Yourname> Ok, lemme try.
[03:43] <intelikey> !libgtk2.0-dev
[03:43] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-dev: Development files for the GTK+ library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2511 kB, installed size 9096 kB
[03:44] <Yourname> PS: I don't know how to run it from console without bringin up the GUI.
[03:44] <intelikey> surgy it's in main.
[03:44] <surgy> intelikey yeah it found it it must have been a typo last time :)
[03:44] <Minataku> As for why, it usually traces down to the network setup in /etc not being correct, for instance dhcp or iwconfig is not enabled
[03:44] <intelikey> k
[03:44] <intelikey> back in a bit.
[03:45] <Minataku> That's how it happened with me, I even have notes to myself on how to set my Gentoo install to connect to any network
[03:45] <Minataku> Since my static settings don't work if I'm at home
[03:45] <Minataku> *not at home
[03:45] <Minataku> As for how to fix it on a Kubuntu system, I have no idea, sorry
[03:45] <surgy> intelikey: ok now its giving me this warning...... Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[03:46] <surgy> intelikey: but its installing
[03:46] <Minataku> Yourname: Sorry also to harass you, it's just the thought of WANTING an unsecured WAP kinda makes my head hurt XD
[03:46] <Yourname> lol it's ok
[03:47] <Minataku> Mine is totally closed up
[03:47] <Minataku> SSID Broadcast off, 64bit (I know) WEP key AND... the granddaddy of them all...  WPA2, with RADIUS!
[03:49] <Minataku> lol
[03:49] <Minataku> The encryption is useless at any rate
[03:49] <Minataku> Just do all sensitive affairs via SSL
[03:49] <Minataku> Now THAT encryption is what keeps you safe
[03:50] <Minataku> As for router-based encryption, you can turn it off entirely as long as you use the real security features
[03:50] <surgy> savage installs with one warning but completes the installation. and then i click "start game" it initializes and then closes, this is what was spat out in the terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/332571
[03:50] <surgy> i have redownloaded like ten times
[03:51] <Yourname> So, Minataku, how do I do this?
[03:51] <Yourname> Yup.
[03:52] <amd64> hello
[03:52] <amd64> hola
[03:52] <Minataku> Yourname: Unfortunately, I don't know how Kubuntu manages things, so I really can't give you an answer >.<
[03:52] <Bxnp> guys i have a strange problem with kubuntu
[03:52] <Minataku> Sorry >.<
[03:52] <Minataku> Bxnp: I'll be the judge of that
[03:53] <Minataku> XD
[03:53] <Bxnp> lol
[03:53] <Bxnp> oke well i need a bit of help with this
[03:53] <amd64> sp
[03:53] <amd64> es
[03:53] <amd64> es
[03:53] <amd64> es
[03:53] <Minataku> !es | amd64
[03:53] <ubotu> amd64: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:53] <amd64> gracias
[03:53] <Bxnp> somethimes and this happends for me at random my load goes up and up and up without stopping
[03:53] <amd64> tanks
[03:53] <Bxnp> however if i look at the proces i cant see what is causing this
[03:53] <Bxnp> i have made a screenshot
[03:53] <Minataku> No problemas
[03:54] <Minataku> Or something, I forgot all my Spanish
[03:54] <Minataku> lol
[03:54] <Bxnp> Minataku: at www.postproductie.nl/burningman/sir9.png
[03:54] <Minataku> Bxnp: That's not so strange...
[03:54] <Minataku> Lemme have a looksee
[03:54] <Bxnp> that is the output off top
[03:54] <Minataku> Woah
[03:54] <Minataku> That's some load average
[03:55] <Minataku> Maybe this IS pretty strange after all
[03:55] <Minataku> How long does the spike last?
[03:55] <DrunkPikachu> gah, does anyone happen to know of any guides which help you create a live CD from practically nothing (not on top of a gutted install)? (the only useable thing should be bash, maybe vi. I talking real bleached barebones linux here).
[03:55] <Bxnp> it last for ever and it goes up and up
[03:55] <Minataku> Does it actually slow everything down?
[03:56] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Linux From Scratch, perhaps?
[03:56] <Bxnp> ehm yes and no
[03:56] <Minataku> Though if it needs to be TOTTALLY bare
[03:56] <Bxnp> somethimes i cant reboot
[03:56] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I was under the impression it already came with some useability, yea
[03:56] <Minataku> Just get a floppy-based rescue disk
[03:56] <Bxnp> cause then its holding at deconfiguring networking
[03:56] <Minataku> And strip what's not needed
[03:57] <Bxnp> and besides that my network stops at that point when the loads go up and up
[03:57] <Minataku> I'm partial to the unfortunately no-longer-maintained HAL91
[03:57] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: therein lies another question, what if I don't know what's trash and what's needed?
[03:57] <Bxnp> Minataku: but i can start program;s
[03:57] <Bxnp> but if you look at the output off top
[03:57] <Bxnp> you see that there is no cpu usage
[03:57] <Bxnp> so how can i find the problem
[03:57] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Well, there are kits to make custom Linux floppies
[03:58] <Minataku> Bxnp: That is bizarre
[03:58] <Minataku> It might be network related...
[03:58] <Minataku> Bxnp: Perhaps you're getting attacked?
[03:58] <Bxnp> no that is not possible
[03:58] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Bleh, if I wanted kits I would've used rBuild. There's nothing that'll teach how to work starting only from a kernel tar?
[03:58] <Minataku> Never say something isn't possible
[03:59] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Linux From Scratch
[03:59] <Bxnp> i had this at random before i got to the internet with this box
[03:59] <Bxnp> well i had a network but that network was not connected to the internet
[03:59] <Minataku> Bxnp: Well crap
[03:59] <Minataku> Next time it happens, dump dmesg to a file
[03:59] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: OTher people have already expressed distaste for it because it's color by numbers for a working build that has more functionality than I would want(afaik).
[03:59] <Minataku> Reconnect, and pastebin it
[04:00] <Bxnp> kee
[04:00] <Bxnp> i will
[04:00] <Minataku> Bxnp: I say that because it's easier than having you pastebin your whole /var/log/messages or having you search through it
[04:00] <Minataku> I may not be here when it happens but other people will more than likely be around to help
[04:01] <Minataku> It could also happen that this doesn't help period because nothing shows up in dmesg, in which case I'm stumped anyway XD
[04:01] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Why do you want a system with nothing more than the absolute bare minimum?
[04:02] <Minataku> If all you have is a kernel, init and a shell, you're hardly in posession of a working system
[04:02] <Minataku> What are you going to do, launch more shells until the system complains?
[04:03] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Because my Operating Systems Professor is a sadist who wants us to magically find out how to create a distro from scratch. I've found plenty of guides on how to make a live CD based on currently installed distros (although I seriously do not want to use parition magic just to intall 2+ distros) but his instructions pretty much ask for something that loads into bash, nothing more
[04:04] <ForgeAus> back
[04:04] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Ah. It all makes perfect sense now.
[04:05] <ForgeAus> intelikey, if ur still around, it didn't work
[04:05] <Minataku> Just rip sh?t from various places
[04:05] <ForgeAus> still got an ash prompt
[04:05] <Minataku> That's what I'd do
[04:05] <Minataku> lol
[04:05] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: That's what I was thinking,  but I don't know where to start, or at least what I should gut
[04:05] <Minataku> j/k
[04:05] <Minataku> Heh
[04:05] <Minataku> Well, I don't know of any guides
[04:05] <surgy> man
[04:05] <Minataku> I'd think you could maybe use the LFS guide and just skip anything else
[04:05] <surgy> i cant seem to get this game to work
[04:06] <Minataku> What you definitely need though is GRUB, the kernel, init and it's configuration files, and bash
[04:07] <jjesse> anyone able to help me troubleshoot a vmware server problem?
[04:07] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: That's another thing, I'm either blind or stupid, but I cannot seem to find actual guides in the lfs website
[04:07] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: TBH... I've never been there
[04:07] <Bxnp> maybe its ndiswrapper related Minataku, i use the net8180 driver to get wpa support
[04:07] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: and the live cd is a premade ISO as far as I can tell
[04:07] <Bxnp> i have this problem since i use this
[04:07] <Minataku> Bxnp: Could bery well be
[04:07] <Minataku> *very
[04:08] <surgy> Bxnp: mind throwing me a bone?
[04:08] <surgy> savage installs with one warning but completes the installation. and then i click "start game" it initializes and then closes, this is what was spat out in the terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/332571
[04:08] <ForgeAus> jjesse not sure I can help you you can ask
[04:08] <Bxnp> what does that expression mean
[04:08] <jjesse> i've run /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl twice and still when i type vmware i get that it has not been configured
[04:08] <ForgeAus> I really like vmware server... :)
[04:08] <surgy> bxnp: giving me some help in something you think is easy
[04:08] <DrunkPikachu> Bxnp: to throw a bone is to help that person out in some fashion
[04:08] <Minataku> Bxnp: I couldn't tell, your English is excellent
[04:08] <DrunkPikachu> blah
[04:09] <DrunkPikachu> damn you surgy
[04:09] <ForgeAus> jjesse? thats strange
[04:09] <surgy> minataku: he speaks dutsch
[04:09] <Minataku> As for the expression, it means to give someone a clue or a point to start from
[04:09] <Bxnp> thanks guys
[04:09] <Bxnp> shoot surgy
[04:09] <Bxnp> dutch
[04:09] <Minataku> surgy: Ah
[04:09] <ForgeAus> um maybe it means as in package configure?...
[04:09] <jjesse> ForgeAus: it's very frustrating, each time i get done it says thigs are done correctly
[04:09] <ForgeAus> rather than vmware-config
[04:09] <Bxnp> yeah amsterdam party city :)
[04:09] <Minataku> Unfortunately I'm not much of a help tonight, sorry XD
[04:09] <ForgeAus> normally if you use vmware config it should run after that
[04:09] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: would it be advisable to get a rescue disk distro and gut it even further?
[04:10] <ForgeAus> perhaps try reinstalling?
[04:10] <surgy> bxnp: can you help me?
[04:10] <Bxnp> tell me your problem
[04:10] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: hopefully without breaking it
[04:10] <ForgeAus> how did you install it? from the .tar.gz?
[04:10] <surgy> bxnp: savage installs with one warning but completes the installation. and then i click "start game" it initializes and then closes, this is what was spat out in the terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/332571
[04:10] <jjesse> downloaded the tar.gz and then ran vmware-install.pl
[04:10] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Sure, but you'll need to keep the busybox binary if it has one
[04:10] <ForgeAus> yup thats how I did it
[04:10] <ForgeAus> worked for me
[04:10] <Bxnp> let me look at it
[04:10] <Minataku> Since that's what provides the shell
[04:10] <ForgeAus> I don't get why its not working for you tho
[04:11] <Minataku> As for breaking it, use QEMU
[04:11] <Minataku> And make a copy of the floppy image
[04:11] <Bxnp> btw i noticed yesterday that you have some thing wich you have to change cause you get strange error message in the konsole when you started ksnapshot
[04:11] <Minataku> That way if you break it you just start over
[04:11] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[04:11] <surgy> bxnp: i did a fresh install about 5 hours ago
[04:11] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: another question (possibly stupid), Are the distros hard coded to work only on a floppy or would it not care to be put onto a cd-rw
[04:12] <Bxnp> dont reinstall surgy just fix your problems
[04:12] <Bxnp> reinstall is a waste of time, or you have to be an installer junky :)
[04:12] <Bxnp> anyway
[04:12] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: I don't think it's possible to hardcode them
[04:12] <surgy> bxnp: i couldnt do anything to get help, my restart switch wasnt rebooting, my cdrom wasnt ejecting and i couldnt sign in as any user
[04:12] <Minataku> It might be a challenge getting it to work, though
[04:12] <Bxnp> ehm
[04:12] <jjesse> where should the location of the directory of C header files be?  i have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/generic/nclude
[04:13] <Bxnp> listen do this for me
[04:13] <Minataku> Since CD booting is entirely different (actually, it isn't, but that's another story)
[04:13] <surgy> bxnp: pm me please
[04:13] <Minataku> El Torito, the standard for bootable CDs basically uses a bootable floppy disk image
[04:13] <Minataku> Typically this will be loaded with GRUB to bootstrap something more featureful
[04:14] <Minataku> But in this case you'd be fine to just make the hacked floppy image the El Torito boot image
[04:15] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: BTW: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES ARISING AS A RESULT OF UTILIZING MY ADVICE
[04:15] <Minataku> That is, if he finds out you cheated, don't come crying to me
[04:15] <Minataku> This is your warning and my disclaimer
[04:15] <Minataku> lol
[04:16] <ForgeAus> jjesse I just pressed enter through most of that
[04:16] <ForgeAus> went with the defaults
[04:16] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: And here I was already writing up legal documents to ensure you would be sued into the ground ;)
[04:16] <jjesse> ForgeAus: i probablly messed this up
[04:16] <ForgeAus> maybe
[04:16] <Minataku> lol
[04:17] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Too bad now
[04:17] <Minataku> XD
[04:17] <Yourname> Hi, I got D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. C1, on a freshly installed Kubuntu Edgy. Wireless Assistant 0.5.5 seems to have it under wlan0, and it's able to scan networks without me doing any extra work.. but it's not connecting. Is there anything I need to do? I'm connecting to a no-security AP.
[04:17] <Minataku> But seriously, you might get in trouble for doing it this way
[04:17] <Minataku> In fact, you probably will
[04:17] <ForgeAus> Yourname? perhaps you need to give it an SSID or something somewhere along the line?
[04:17] <Minataku> Personally, I'd search more for how to really do it
[04:17] <Yourname> ForgeAus: It scanned, and it got the AP I want, and I tried to connect, and it doesn't.
[04:18] <ForgeAus> I'm not certain how kubuntu Edgy's wireless software works but theres two things to try 1 is try changing channels (sometimes things work on one but not on another)
[04:18] <drbeams> how do i find out who httpd user is ?
[04:18] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: the more I search the more I'm thinking this is going to be a complete impossibility considering I don't know enough about how the system files are set up. $10 says only one other person might actually get this assignment done (his job requires him to work in linux).
[04:18] <ForgeAus> another is SSID's... find where it asks you for the security Identifier
[04:18] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: In that case, don't do it
[04:18] <Minataku> Or ask him
[04:18] <Minataku> lol
[04:19] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: But seriously, I wouldn't cheat
[04:19] <ForgeAus> (the one you should have set in your wireless access point device)
[04:19] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: BTW, you were joking about the suing, right? ( Sorry, I have an OCD and can't handle jokes like that very well >.< (
[04:19] <Yourname> ForgeAus: It scanned, and it got the AP I want, and I tried to connect, and it doesn't.
[04:20] <ForgeAus> Yourname, like I said 2 possible reasons for that
[04:20] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: problem #2930: The younger the professor in question is, the more likely he/she is to have a heavy accent and give explantions which are far beyond what any undergrad could ever hope to understand.
[04:20] <will> jucato: you still around?
[04:20] <ForgeAus> one the channel (in which case normally it wouldn't detect)...
[04:20] <ForgeAus> and 2 the SSID missing... so it found it but doesn't have permission to use it
[04:20] <masterloki> Hi there can someone help with my wireless on an Acer Aspire 5002?
[04:20] <Yourname> Hmm, ok.
[04:20] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku:about the suing...... maybe ;)                         j/k, sleep well
[04:20] <Minataku> lol
[04:20] <ForgeAus> but then I'm no linux expert so I'm not certain if theres anything else you need to know/do to get it working
[04:21] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Yeah, ask around to classmates and such
[04:21] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: As if that'll help. more than 1/2 of the cheat their way through all their classes
[04:21] <Minataku> Heh
[04:21] <Minataku> And here I am trying to enable more ;3
[04:21] <Minataku> XD
[04:22] <ForgeAus> hmm my kubuntu needs fixing
[04:22] <ForgeAus> won't start up
[04:22] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I'm talking straight up copying from the internet (With copyrights still attached) and then they pass it around their group of 10-15 people
[04:22] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Yipe
[04:22] <Minataku> Mine at least involved some work
[04:22] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku:Even after they get caught, the CS dept. is in such dire need of students they won't kick anyone out
[04:23] <jarn> How do I use the gfxboot package?
[04:23] <premier_> how can I get kde to display xscreensaver as my default screen saver?  Like, when I dilerberately lock the screen and stuff?
[04:24] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ << You found this?
[04:25] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: I see
[04:25] <Minataku> It's not FROM as in USING an existing distro
[04:25] <Minataku> It's using an existing distro to build a new one from scratch
[04:25] <Minataku> You need a host to build things, you can't start from nothing at all
[04:26] <will> can someone help me backup some stuff from the command line
[04:26] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: I'll agree, the wording is kind of confusing
[04:26] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: What part of the site linked to that, all I found were links pointing to themselves
[04:27] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: nvm, I'm a complete idiot
[04:27] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Heehee
[04:27] <Minataku> You're desparate
[04:27] <DrunkPikachu> very
[04:27] <will> I've got a blank external drive that is currenly formated ntfs, but if that is problematic I can change
[04:27] <Minataku> I can understand
[04:27] <Minataku> lol
[04:27] <Minataku> That should give you all the info you need
[04:28] <will> anyone free to help a newbie in need
[04:28] <Minataku> In short you'll be building really very little, it'll be working in the sense that it boots to something that looks like it would work
[04:29] <Lam_> what's the best system monitor widget for superkaramba?
[04:30] <Minataku> You probably have things like GCC already
[04:30] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: screw it, I'm going to tackle that guide later, when I have the patience to repartition my HD and pray that I don't !@#$! HD's boot sector. I've already had to reinstall Windows XP twice in the last month because of MUP.SYS errors.
[04:30] <Yourname> When I do, ifdown wlan0, it says interface not configured.. what do I do?
[04:30] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Get a cheap USB key
[04:30] <Minataku> Then use that as the LFS root
[04:30] <will> anyone want to help me copy my home folder to an external ntfs drive using the command prompt?
[04:30] <DrunkPikachu> Will that work? Doesn't matter that it's fat32?
[04:30] <Minataku> For the "working" system it won't need a huge amount of space
[04:31] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: You'll need to wipe the key
[04:31] <Minataku> Which is why I suggested getting a "cheap as you can find" one
[04:31] <ForgeAus> mup.sys? whats that file?
[04:31] <DrunkPikachu> I didn't know it could be completely wiped of it's filesystem, but then again, I've never tried
[04:31] <ForgeAus> doesn't ring any bells
[04:31] <Minataku> 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, whichever's smallest or cheapest
[04:32] <ForgeAus> 128 or 512 are the ones I'd recommend
[04:32] <DrunkPikachu> forgeAus, ussually when you get a mup.sys error, it means that about 1/2 of your windows dll files are missing or corrupted. There is no definate fix, although sometimes you can run a windows repair
[04:32] <Bxnp> will: could you not format your external disk as fat 32
[04:32] <ForgeAus> hehe i'm used to the repair...
[04:32] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Now you don't have to cheat and get in trouble, and I don't have to get sued by you :D
[04:32] <ForgeAus> but I don't remember ever having an mup.sys error
[04:32] <DrunkPikachu> mup.sys is just the first missing file the bootup detects
[04:32] <ForgeAus> I do have a broken XP ab the moment tho
[04:32] <Minataku> XD
[04:32] <Bxnp> cause write support under linux to ntfs is still  a bit experimental
[04:32] <ForgeAus> somehow half of the NTFS partition decided to hide itself
[04:33] <will> Bxnp: sure.  however, while I was waiting for a reply I was able to access the drive.  it's blank, so it's hard to tell how well it;s working
[04:33] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: If you could, tell me straight out that you were kidding about suing me... (Sorry, I know, my OCD is annoying... try living with it like I do XD )
[04:33] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus, computers, both the bane and quite possibly the only meaning in our lives
[04:33] <ForgeAus> but then I was running vmware and doing lotsa crazy stuff in it
[04:33] <Bxnp> how id the drive mouted will
[04:33] <ForgeAus> lol Drunk
[04:33] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu is broken too at the moment :(
[04:33] <ForgeAus> live CD works
[04:33] <jmichaelx> * has endless empathy for OCDers
[04:33] <will> Bxnp: should I quickly try to copy my home directory to that drive or switch to fat first
[04:33] <ForgeAus> filesystems there
[04:33] <ForgeAus> just no boot
[04:34] <Minataku> jmichaelx: Thanks
[04:34] <will> doesn't make a big difference to me
[04:34] <Bxnp> switch to fat 32 first
[04:34] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I may be american, but suing isn't in my blood.
[04:34] <ForgeAus> ocders? obsessive compulsive disorederers?
[04:34] <Bxnp> do you know how to do that
[04:34] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:34] <Minataku> Thanks, DrunkPikachu
[04:34] <will> bXnp: k.  it mounted at /media/sda5   btw
[04:34] <Bxnp> kee now format it as fat 32
[04:34] <Bxnp> or ext2 3 reiser whatever you want
[04:35] <ForgeAus> um maybe if I can somehow reinstall ubuntu-minimal from the live CD?
[04:35] <Bxnp> fat 32 if you want windows to read it
[04:35] <ForgeAus> is that possible?
[04:35] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Either way now, you don't need to cheat anyway
[04:35] <will> Bxnp: is there a command to safely eject the drive?
[04:35] <Minataku> And you can be confident that you're better than the guys who did :D
[04:35] <ForgeAus> or just copy the files I need? but how do I find which ones?
[04:35] <Bxnp> umount /dev/sdablablba
[04:35] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I still doubt anyone else is going to turn in anything. Although I bet a couple might just turn in a burned DSL
[04:35] <ForgeAus> yes ext3 and fat32 are the two filesystems I'd recommend too...
[04:35] <Minataku> lol
[04:35] <ForgeAus> they're the most compatible it seems
[04:36] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Well, show them all up and do it for real
[04:36] <Minataku> :D
[04:36] <will> bXnp: unmount command not found
[04:36] <Minataku> umount
[04:36] <Bxnp> umount
[04:36] <Minataku> Not umount
[04:36] <Bxnp> sorry typo
[04:36] <Minataku> Er
[04:36] <Bxnp> lol
[04:36] <Minataku> Typo here too XD
[04:37] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Yea, reading through that guide between my opengl, digital image processing, and physics homework I'm either going to kill myself or will be leaking coffee for the next few weeks.
[04:37] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Mmmm... leaked coffee
[04:37] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I'm talking about the leaking that makes your ring sore.
[04:37] <Bxnp> do you now how to format the file system will
[04:37] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: You seem pretty smart to me, it shouldn't be too hard
[04:37] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Ew
[04:37] <Minataku> lol
[04:39] <Bxnp> will: talk to me ?? otherwise i cant help you
[04:39] <Bxnp> need feedback
[04:43] <Minataku> Morbo!
[04:44] <DrunkPikachu> PUNY HUMANS
[04:45] <Blowfish> hey guys i need a hand here... i'm trying to install kubuntu herd2 on my computor. However, it doesn't want to use my cd-rive and any attempt to do so results in a kernel panic, so Ithrew it all on to a USB-tick and it boots fine. however it obviosly can't copy any files since I cant pu my CDin. It would, however, work if icould mount my usb-stick but for some reason I ca't i've tried
[04:45] <Blowfish> all devices posible without luck
[04:45] <will> bnxp: sorry, I was off trying to format fat32
[04:45] <Blowfish> it can't even refuses to mount any hdx devices
[04:45] <Blowfish> actually they don't even show up
[04:45] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <Minataku> Kubuntu + GNU/Hurd?
[04:46] <will> bnxp: I plugged the drive into a windows machine (hisss) and tried to format fat32.  looks like those bastards took that option off the list.
[04:46] <Blowfish> fiesty obviously :p
[04:47] <will> bnxp: I'm sure you can tell me how to do it on my linux box, but first one concern.  fat32 only supports files up to 4gb and windows xp only supports fat32 partitions up to 60g
[04:48] <DrunkPikachu> Go find Bill Gates and demand he reformat your USB drive using only his mind.
[04:48] <will> bnxp: I know a journalized filesystem is superior, but I would like this external drive to be accessible from both windows and linux
[04:49] <Blowfish> no one can help?
[04:49] <jmichaelx> i want to run Gnu/hurd on one of my machines...
[04:49] <jmichaelx> **goes looking for a gnu/hurd distro
[04:49] <surgy> blowfish: have you tried mounting it through system settings disks and filesystems?
[04:50] <Blowfish> surgy: Yes
[04:51] <Blowfish> and I can't understand why there is no hdx devices
[04:51] <DrunkPikachu> Blowfish: Have you tried listening to linkin park and then cutting yourself? Sure, it won't mount your usb key, but hey, it's not like anything else worked.
[04:52] <DrunkPikachu> This one was from when I tried to install beryl on my laptop
[04:56] <ceefour_> is there an ext3 driver for windows?
[04:56] <ceefour_> I'd like to store m ydata using ext3 but dual boot with windows and still access them
[04:57] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: check this site out: http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[04:57] <DrunkPikachu> there is an faq about accessing ext3 as well
[04:58] <Minataku> Set up Windows with FAT32
[04:58] <Minataku> Since NTFS write access isn't safe on Windows, let alone Linux
[04:59] <ForgeAus> trying a reboot
[04:59] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Something was safe in windows? Not even cygwin running openssh is comepletely safe :P
[05:00] <ForgeAus> rofl Min
[05:00] <ForgeAus> rofl Drunk
[05:00] <Minataku> rofl
[05:00] <ForgeAus> I like ext3 for WinXP using the ext3ifs driver from fs-driver.org
[05:00] <iidadmin> is there any substitute for scribus for desktop publishing????
[05:01] <ForgeAus> it even read my mounted VMware partition automagically
[05:01] <ForgeAus> I was really impressed by that one
[05:01] <ForgeAus> iidadmin... lots
[05:01] <iidadmin> can anybody answer my question
[05:02] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure of the best ones (or what free ones exist tho)
[05:02] <iidadmin> forgeAus:What do you meaqn
[05:02] <ForgeAus> theres MANY DTP apps around
[05:02] <DrunkPikachu> openoffice?
[05:02] <ForgeAus> you can do most DTP stuff in wordprocessors these days
[05:02] <ForgeAus> for a more DTP based proggy you might wanna think about something like Kile
[05:02] <DrunkPikachu> You're a pansy unless you use vi and only vi.
[05:02] <|Daisuke_Ido|> Scribus?
[05:03] <iidadmin> :(
[05:03] <ForgeAus> uses (LaTeX) typesetting
[05:03] <iidadmin> yes
[05:03] <ceefour_> ForgeAus: really?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> rofl DP vi for DTP? I don't think so somehow
[05:03] <DrunkPikachu> I use LateX for work, awesome stuff.
[05:03] <iidadmin> is there any substitute or look like that i can use in linux desktop publishing
[05:03] <ceefour_> Minataku: FAT32 messes up filenames, uppercases and stuff. Let alone permissions
[05:03] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ForgeAus: unless, of course, you're a major masochist.
[05:03] <ForgeAus> iidadmin like I said MANY of them
[05:03] <|Daisuke_Ido|> iidadmin: look-alike for what?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> lol I'm a massochist I guess but thats going way beyond my torture limits
[05:04] <Minataku> ceefour_: NTFS messes up families, lives and everything else
[05:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> oh
[05:04] <ceefour_> Minataku: I do agree that NTFS in Linux has many problems. On unclean partition ntfs-3g refuses to mount. I had to go to WinXP to fix it :-(
[05:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i just read that
[05:04] <iidadmin> Can you gisve some application that i can use
[05:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> where's the problem with scribus?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> I'm just trying to think there was a good kde DTP app
[05:04] <ForgeAus> really good one
[05:04] <ForgeAus> can't remember the name tho
[05:04] <iidadmin> actually there is no problem but i wanted to try something different
[05:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ah
[05:05] <ceefour_> iidadmin: I'd suggest CrossOver Office then your favorite DTP app on it
[05:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> quark
[05:05] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah thats an idea go for winapps
[05:05] <ForgeAus> quark is for macintosh right?
[05:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> and windows
[05:05] <surgy> how do i kill a running program from the command line?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> so you'd need macosx86 or something
[05:05] <ForgeAus> ps -a
[05:05] <ForgeAus> then man kill with the PID
[05:06] <ForgeAus> (grr kill with the pid but first man kill to understand it)
[05:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i used quark 6 until i switched, now i use scribus
[05:06] <surgy> how do i tell its pid?
[05:06] <ForgeAus> ps -a should give it to you
[05:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> surgy: ps -a will ... what he said
[05:06] <ForgeAus> either that or run ksysguard  as root
[05:07] <surgy> no ps -a doesnt
[05:07] <ForgeAus> (ie kdesu ksysguard) and kill it from the process manager in that
[05:07] <surgy>  PID TTY          TIME CMD
[05:07] <surgy> 20662 pts/3    00:00:00 ps
[05:07] <ForgeAus> is that all?
[05:07] <surgy> yes
[05:07] <ForgeAus> hmmm strange...
[05:07] <ForgeAus> generally theres a list of them
[05:07] <surgy> i want to kill idle and soya
[05:08] <ForgeAus> you identify the one you want and kill the PID
[05:08] <surgy> becuase idle wont kill soya
[05:08] <ForgeAus> sorry surgy if its not in the list I don't think I can help you much
[05:08] <surgy> ok np
[05:08] <ForgeAus> maybe X has some addons stores its list somewhere else?
[05:08] <surgy> looks like all this crap stays running till these downloads finish so i can restart x
[05:09] <ForgeAus> your not in X?
[05:09] <surgy> forgeaus: i think its either a python bug an idle bug or a soya bug
[05:09] <iidadmin> Thanks for the idea
[05:09] <surgy> i am in x
[05:09] <ceefour> ForgeAus: seriously I'm using Quicken 2005 :-)
[05:10] <ForgeAus> Quicken hmmm I wouldn't know anythign about that
[05:10] <ceefour> ForgeAus: will migrate to GnuCash soon... though... although Quicken 2005 has no problems yet running on Kubuntu...... with Beryl :-)
[05:10] <ForgeAus> thats business stuff
[05:10] <ForgeAus> not my thang
[05:10] <ForgeAus> I'm going to move to beryl... eventually!
[05:10] <ForgeAus> gotta get my Kubuntu fixed first.. I think I managed to do some stuff
[05:10] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I think since our life's problems are more overlapped it's good to know other facets of life
[05:10] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i fail to see how business + beryl = good, but that's just me
[05:10] <surgy> forgeaus: whats the problem......
[05:10] <ForgeAus> it bothers me that when I mount my root partition its got an empty /sys tho
[05:11] <ForgeAus> surgy.. no boot!
[05:11] <ForgeAus> grub works
[05:11] <surgy> oh from the usb thing
[05:11] <ForgeAus> and I get a busybox (ash) prompt
[05:11] <ForgeAus> no no usb thing
[05:11] <Bxnp> surgy:  how long are you using linux
[05:11] <ceefour> |Daisuke_Ido|: It's just that crossover + quicken takes some memory. Beryl isn't really that stable yet but the fact I can run Quicken 2005 successfully with Beryl running is really something
[05:11] <surgy> bxnp three weeks
[05:11] <ForgeAus> beryl seems complicated
[05:11] <Bxnp> did you do some tutorials about the command line
[05:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ceefour: this is true
[05:12] <ceefour> "It provides Windows NT4.0/2000/XP/2003 with full access to Linux Ext2 volumes (read access and write access). This may be useful if you have installed both Windows and Linux as a dual boot environment on your computer." <-- VERY YUMY!!!
[05:12] <ceefour> WAIT
[05:12] <ceefour> Ext2 ??
[05:12] <ForgeAus> but I must admit the eyecandy of having your VD's on a cube is hard to resist!
[05:12] <Dr_willis> Test out that Metis Mandriva Live cd - it has some neat features for the eye-candy addict. :) some are even usefull!
[05:12] <ForgeAus> ceefour
[05:12] <surgy> forgeaus: beryl is only complicated if you make it, but it is a resource hog
[05:12] <ForgeAus> ext3 as well
[05:12] <ForgeAus> it just doesn't SAY it explicitly
[05:12] <ceefour> ForgeAus: is there some problems?
[05:12] <ForgeAus> (just be careful to UNMOUNT it)
[05:12] <Dr_willis> ext3 is bacnwards compatiable with ext2
[05:12] <ForgeAus> no I didn't have any
[05:12] <ForgeAus> ext3 SHOULD work
[05:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> it didn't for me
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I use that IFS thing for windows all the time to access my linux drives
[05:12] <ceefour> ForgeAus: If there is, I guess I don't really mind. I'll just use it for my /home folder. Formatting that as ext2 won't be a problem
[05:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> that driver made me cry
[05:13] <ForgeAus> ceefour, just use EXT3
[05:13] <ForgeAus> I'd recommend it
[05:13] <ceefour> ForgeAus: At least ext2 is way much better than either NTFS or FAT32
[05:13] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  you do NOT need to format it as ext2.. if its ext3. the 'drivers' should  access it also.
[05:13] <ForgeAus> you CAN use ext2 but I recommend ext3
[05:13] <surgy> ceefour: just format your ntfs partition to ext3 thats the best way :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> ext3 has a backwards compatiablity mode. theres no reason to use ext2
[05:13] <ForgeAus> rofl surgy :)
[05:14] <ForgeAus> ceefour just be careful not to crash your windows.. if oyu shut down gracefully you should have NO problem as long as you don't do anything too crazy
[05:14] <ceefour> Dr_willis: ForgeAus: oh I see
[05:14] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I can't guarantee that. I crash & power lines cut off more often than not.
[05:15] <ForgeAus> hmmm.. I'd still recommend to use ext3
[05:15] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I don't mind losing the last-minute data, but I don't want a filesystem corrupt
[05:15] <ForgeAus> ceefour, its not going to damage your NTFS and you may be able to recover your ext3 anyway if something goes wrong
[05:16] <ceefour> "The Ext2 file system driver of the Ext2 IFS software will refuse mounting an Ext3 file system which contains data in its journal, just like older Linux kernels which have no Ext3 support."
[05:16] <ceefour> I think that's doable. So if my ext3 is unclean then Windows won't be able to mount it, right?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> do you have journal data?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> unclean?
[05:16] <ceefour> I think that's almost the same as  unclean NTFS that is unmountable by linux.
[05:16] <ForgeAus> um... it should mount it
[05:17] <ForgeAus> it mounted my VMware kubuntu partition no hassle
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I have no idea what that means by unclean exactly but I think you should have no problem
[05:17] <ceefour> Ahh this is great news!
[05:18] <ceefour> I've been thinking about this dual-boot partition for a long time/
[05:18] <ForgeAus> ceefour and that was stored in a VMDK file!
[05:18] <ceefour> I currently use FAT32.
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (wasn't even an actual partition!)
[05:18] <ForgeAus> just a virtual one
[05:18] <DrunkPikachu> surgy: beryl becomes complicated when you spend 4+ hours trying to figure out why it isn't working only to find that that your specific video card's drivers mess beryl up completely. There were 'fixes' that took long to implement and only ended in failure.
[05:18] <ceefour> ForgeAus: ext2fs driver mounts a vmdk?
[05:18] <ForgeAus> yes it can
[05:19] <ForgeAus> if you mount your vmdk with vmwares mount command it can mount an EXT2/3 partition on it
[05:19] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I guess so. I tried Beryl using NVIDIA GF4 MX 4000 and GF FX 5200 and they're both fine. The GF4 needs an older driver though.
[05:19] <ForgeAus> (or a gui mounting utility)
[05:19] <masterloki> I have an Acer Aspire 5002 but I cant get the wireless on
[05:19] <masterloki> can someone help me
[05:19] <ForgeAus> you have to mount the vmdk before you mount the ext2/3 part tho
[05:19] <masterloki> ?
[05:19] <surgy> drunkpikachu: which is why beryl sucks, it should have been labeled beta for another 6 months
[05:19] <ForgeAus> surgy I agree
[05:19] <ForgeAus> it should be beta
[05:19] <ForgeAus> I'm using ATI radeon
[05:20] <Dr_willis> masterloki,  you should do some googling and see what chipset that thig is using for wireless.. then check the wiki/forums for others with similer laptop
[05:20] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I should've known not to try since the beginning given I have a radeon in this sucker....
[05:20] <ForgeAus> not sure how well Beryl will go on it
[05:20] <ceefour> surgy: sometimes I'd say that Konqueror should be labeled beta. it crashes on my system sometimes. but betaing Konqueror would frighten lots of people
[05:20] <ForgeAus> still I think someone should make a beryl-lite or something
[05:20] <surgy> forgeaus: then your basicly screwed on linux, from ever getting full support, which is why ati drivers should be labled beta :)
[05:20] <masterloki> Dr_willis: I've already been googling but no answers seem to fits me
[05:20] <ForgeAus> some kinda program with less features, less complicated and just do the desktop cube :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  check out that 'metis mandriva' live cd.
[05:20] <ForgeAus> rofl surgy :)
[05:21] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: please cross the bridge and welcome to the NVIDIA world my friend. It's called the world of compatibility :-)
[05:21] <surgy> ceefour: konq is the only stable thing on my system right now
[05:21] <DrunkPikachu> masterloki, if it's a broadcom wireless card, try this: blacklist the drivers that came with the distro, download the drivers from online, and install them with ndiswrapper
[05:21] <ForgeAus> metis mandriva?
[05:21] <ForgeAus> is that different from mandriva one?
[05:21] <surgy> ceefour: but thats just becuase i havnt figured out how to mess with it yet
[05:21] <Dr_willis> a live cd. :)  it has a fancyer desktop
[05:21] <masterloki> Dr_willis: Ok
[05:21] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: speaking of NVIDIA though. I recently installed WinXPSP2 on a nForce3 and IT DIDN'T DETECT THE ETHERNET!
[05:21] <Dr_willis> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=03991
[05:22] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: sounds more like windows 98se to me...... Simple networking that beast was a nightmare.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  i get those kind of issues with windows all the time.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> windows aparently needs different drivers for my network cards.. that under linux all use the same module... *sigh*
[05:22] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: totally unacceptable. I don't care if all of the hardware doesn't work. I'd bear not having the mouse or I'd even glad to have just text mode.   The LCD flashes on but no 'charging' or ipod icon on the desktop like normal.
[05:23] <ForgeAus> big download
[05:23] <ForgeAus> I don't think my connection will hold out
[05:23] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: That's why I'm glad I'm surrounded by 5 other computers/laptops. Download a driver somewhere else, then thumbdrive it.
[05:23] <surgy> forgeaus: what con do you have?
[05:23] <ceefour> Dr_willis: true. for something like an ethernet card it's pretty weird there are specific drivers
[05:23] <knapp> Is there a way to 'refresh' the usb devices?
[05:23] <ForgeAus> the even the liveCD is about 700mb+
[05:23] <DrunkPikachu> I would've given up computers long ago if I didn't have a working spare to help out.
[05:23] <knapp> detection of.. *
[05:23] <ceefour> Dr_willis: it's not like ethernets have 8X acceleration or T&L or something
[05:24] <ForgeAus> kubuntu one wasn't as big but still near that size 600+ but that was damaged slightly I think in the d/l
[05:24] <ForgeAus> I got most of it and it worked so I was happy :)
[05:24] <ForgeAus> running the LiveCD now
[05:24] <surgy> ceefour: but they do have different speeds if you get into the old ones
[05:24] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I mean, LAN cards are already invented before we're even born. Why would we need "driver" for a hardware several decades old?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> I got wireless via adsl
[05:24] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  and of course windows gives me such details on the card 'found pci networking card' - gesh.. at least with linux i can use 'lspci' and see some info on it. :)
[05:24] <surgy> forgeaus: via aids?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> (hehe I connect to a local router which connects to a bridge on a wifi-grid, that connects to my ISP who connects via ADSL to his ISP
[05:24] <ForgeAus> aids?
[05:25] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: yes that's how I managed to do so.
[05:25] <ForgeAus> (he undercuts their price)
[05:25] <surgy> forgeaus: was a joke your getting what 300 kbps down? 120 something up?
[05:25] <ForgeAus> um it varies
[05:25] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: Dr_willis: The dumbest part is that Windows offered me to "download the driver from Internet". Doesn't it know it's talking about an ethernet driver?
[05:25] <knapp> What is the command to list connected USB devices? Which would be my ipod?
[05:26] <ForgeAus> mostly I just got a 256k (sometimes less) adsl connection
[05:26] <ForgeAus> it has moments where it SHINES and goes lots faster
[05:26] <ceefour> knapp: I usually do cat /dev/bus/usb/devices :-)
[05:26] <surgy> forgeAus: i have a lan line through SBC yahoo adsl and i get 1.5mbps and i usually get 300 down
[05:26] <ForgeAus> but mostly I don't expect more than 256k performance out of it
[05:26] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  :) whats really amazing - is that i cant recall that download-from-the-internet - to EVER WORK for any of the devices ive ever had.
[05:26] <ForgeAus> surgy, I'm in Australia
[05:26] <DrunkPikachu> Dr_willis: same here
[05:26] <ForgeAus> do we have SBC yahoo adsl here?
[05:26] <knapp> ty
[05:26] <surgy> forgeaus: yea i got it from "Aus" lol
[05:27] <ForgeAus> and whats the sbc bit mean?
[05:27] <surgy> forgeaus: i whouldnt doubt it they boast about something in the range of 55 countries world wide
[05:27] <ceefour> Dr_willis: it had worked for me sometimes. It didn't work for a Creative SBLive card though. I guess Microsoft didn't know SBLive existed.
[05:27] <ceefour> Dr_willis: Although it happily installed the CMedia integrated soundcard without problems. go figure.
[05:28] <surgy> forgeaus: but they support up to 3mbps which is nice and its only 45$ here
[05:28] <ceefour> surgy: 300 Kbps download speed?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> Microsoft should work with SBLive
[05:28] <ceefour> surgy: Or 300 KByte ps?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> I'm sure I had XP and win98 runnign with it just fine
[05:28] <surgy> ceefour: yeah usually
[05:28] <DrunkPikachu> Microsoft should work with most everything, but it doesn't
[05:28] <surgy> ceefour: umm whats the diff?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  creative does have a activex/website that scans and installs the drivers/tools for their cards.. hp does also for their printer/scanners. :) but ya have to use IE to get that to work.
[05:28] <ForgeAus> yeah that about waht I'm paying 45 p/m
[05:28] <ceefour> ForgeAus: it worked fine but I had to manually install SBLive driver from creative site. Not using the "Found New Hardware wizard"
[05:29] <surgy> ok rebooting brb
[05:29] <ForgeAus> ceefour ohhh kay... strange....
[05:29] <ForgeAus> anyway I better reset see if I fixed my ubuntu
[05:29] <ceefour> Dr_willis: the ironic part is that searching for drivers on google will most likely end up with spyware on your PC :-(
[05:30] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I wonder if that's gonna happen to with Linux systems when we grow up (user base)
[05:30] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I just LOVE those sites that make you pay to downlaod the driver. Either that or view 29 ads before-hand
[05:31] <dwidmann> DrunkPikachu: that sounds evil.
[05:31] <DrunkPikachu> next ad -> next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad -> download -> 404 file not found
[05:31] <dwidmann> woo hoo, world class reliability
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Gotta love harware vendors that dont have their  'driver cd's" for download either.
[05:34] <XVampireX> Someone tell me why I like Qt4 so much
[05:35] <xsacha> cause 4 > 3 ?
[05:35] <XVampireX> Maybe
[05:35] <dwidmann> because it has awesomeness infused in it, duh
[05:36] <DrunkPikachu> Although I don't what what Qt4 is, I'll guess because it allows you to timesize your partitioned matrix cube of indefinate arrays.
[05:36] <XVampireX> It looks good
[05:36] <XVampireX> That's why
[05:36] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I've been there before. Literally.
[05:36] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: 29 ads? I'm not sure if it's really that many... but.. yeah. I literally clicked the "No thanks, continue" link a bit too many times
[05:37] <dwidmann> ceefour, DrunkPikachu, try not to wear out your left mouse button ... lol
[05:37] <ceefour> XVampireX: I think Qt4 allows the celebral cortex to spin down the quantum lightning process so that the transcoder will induce at a faster photon rates :-)
[05:37] <XVampireX> ceefour: Definitely a possibility
[05:37] <XVampireX> Time to go to sleep though
[05:38] <ceefour> dwidmann: Don't worry I have a wearproof Microsoft(R) Intelli-Optical Mouse here!
[05:38] <ceefour> dwidmann: (I mean it. I have a Microsoft Internet Pro Keyboard & mouse that was given as a gift)
[05:38] <dwidmann> Something made by microsoft that's actually wearproof? :O
[05:38] <DrunkPikachu> I'd say BF1942/2/2142 endanger my mouse more than ads.
[05:38] <DrunkPikachu> that, and my wrists
[05:39] <ceefour> dwidmann: Well all I can say is that their hardware is much much more wearproof than their OS or any of their software
[05:39] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: my max payne mousepad outlived pretty much every peice of hardware I've ever owned
[05:39] <dwidmann> and here I was under the impression that the first time microsoft would make something that wouldn't suck would be when they started making vacuum cleaners.
[05:39] <ceefour> dwidmann: the keyboard & mouse is from 2000 and it hadn't shown any problems. not a missing button nor anything. they haven't had WinXP back then.
[05:40] <DrunkPikachu> I take that back, it's between that mousepad and my MS sidewinder 2 joystick. The only solid product MS ever put out. Then they just had to discontinue the line ... !@#$!@#$!@#$
[05:40] <ceefour> dwidmann: well too bad the vacuum cleaner doesn't boot because of corrupted filesystem but we use it as a broom instead :P
[05:41] <dwidmann> my last three or 4 mouses were junk, and were thrown away as such ...
[05:41] <dwidmann> ceefour: that's hilarious
[05:41] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I thought Sidewinder was popular because it's name was printed on almost EVERY game's README/FAQ/TROUBLESHOOTING section out there?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> I like my Logitech MX518 mouse.
[05:42] <ForgeAus> ok well I got closer
[05:42] <ForgeAus> still no boot
[05:42] <ForgeAus> but nearly gets to login screen now
[05:42] <dwidmann> I had a sidewinder once ... when I got windows xp and I couldn't make it work with it I threw it away though  ... long time ago
[05:42] <ForgeAus> (75% through the bar
[05:42] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: most of the products like the joypads were crap. But read up on the joystick and it's one of the best sub $50 joysticks ever made.  The fact that I own a Microsoft mouse is really enlighting and I'm surprised Microsoft made such quality products.
[05:43] <DrunkPikachu> easily 100+ hours in bf1942 alone and it still works.
[05:44] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: my friend bought a Logitech keyboard several years after my MS keyboard and her keyboard wasn't very good now. My MS KB is still kicking. Yaay!
[05:44] <dwidmann> ceefour: I actually bought what seems to be a decent one this time though ... a nice looking $20 logitech
[05:44] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I'm partial to Logitech's discontinued elite. Awesome quality.
[05:45] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: dwidmann: The more I think that, it implies that in the Redmond campus they'll all be using 5+years old accessories M$ hardware. But with newer CPUs of course.
[05:46] <dwidmann> ceefour: I think Microsoft will soon realize this mistake if they haven't already. It apparently doesn't pay to make quality products.
[05:46] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: my only gladness in buying Logitech was their speakers. Z640, very good 5.1 speakers, at prices very competitive than other 5.1 offerings at that time. It's weird that I like their speakers more than their keyboard?
[05:46] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I wouldn't blame them, unless they had the cash to spend on chpro hardware
[05:46] <ForgeAus> lol dwidmann
[05:46] <ceefour> BTW why are we still discussing this on #kubuntu? ;-)
[05:47] <dwidmann> lazyness and lack of other conversation in this room?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> dwidmann I disagree it does pay to make quality products, but not for the masses
[05:47] <Dr_willis> I just realized that my speakers are like 10 yrs old.....
[05:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:47] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: but if you make a quality product, they won't have to buy another one in 12 months to replace it
[05:47] <ForgeAus> you make quality products and aim them at a target audience, then make non-quality products of the same thing for the masses
[05:47] <vbgunz> how do I record me speaking?
[05:47] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: their mice seem to be good, with a few exceptions. I love my mx510 though
[05:48] <dwidmann> vbgunz: with a microphone
[05:48] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I really wan't to try Logitech laser mouse. I wonder how it feels?
[05:48] <dwidmann> :P
[05:48] <vbgunz> basically, I need to test my mic, how can I see if it is working? how do I test it?
[05:48] <ForgeAus> actually dwidmann that should be made illegal
[05:48] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: haven't used a laser one yet, I hear mostly good things.
[05:48] <ForgeAus> electronic whitegoods doo it all the time
[05:48] <dwidmann> krecord is a decent program vbgunz
[05:48] <ceefour> vbgunz: open KMixer and turn the mic volume all the way up!
[05:48] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: fat chance making that happen
[05:49] <DrunkPikachu> get some glorious feedback from your mic
[05:49] <DrunkPikachu> make your ears bleed
[05:49] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I have quite some problems with any optical mice. well the surfaces of course. I heard laser mice eliminated that problem.
[05:49] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I've never had problems with my optical on cloth mousepads (I miss thee, max payne pad)
[05:50] <dwidmann> ceefour, I should go borrow my brothers  laser mouse and try it on my desk. Which happens to be made of tempered blue glass.
[05:50] <DrunkPikachu> Although lately I've been using my wacom tablet for general work/browsing
[05:50] <DrunkPikachu> overuse syndrome in my hands and all
[05:50] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: some mousepads are actually reflective. I guess they didn't know optical mice had been invented.
[05:50] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: yea, ive seen some that are practically mirrors.
[05:50] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:51] <ForgeAus> me 2
[05:51] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: speaking of wacom. is the wacom errors in KDE/Kubuntu intentional?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> The wacom tablet is included by default in the xorg.conf
[05:51] <ForgeAus> do wacom tablets work via synaptic drivers?
[05:51] <ForgeAus> oh
[05:51] <ForgeAus> ok
[05:51] <Dr_willis> and no - i dont know why they do it that way. :)
[05:51] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[05:51] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I wonder why. Errors aren't very pretty to look at. Especially when you launch something from Konsole
[05:51] <ForgeAus> so how do I find out what I'm missing from ubuntu-minimal?
[05:51] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I haven't even tried connecting it. The whole wireless/graphics card issues which harass me every time I install linux have turned me off from trying to put more hardware onl.
[05:52] <ceefour> Dr_willis: or you look at Xorg logs
[05:52] <Dr_willis> i feel the whole way the x.org file is setup.. needs work.. :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> its gotten better however.. but still its awkward.
[05:52] <ForgeAus> or how do I install ubuntu minimal into my root drive from the Live CD?
[05:52] <dwidmann> DrunkPikachu: so long as you take a look around and be sure to buy something 100% compatible you won't have any trouble.
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (without starting fresh)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  i dont think the live cd can do a minimal install.
[05:53] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: Seriously, hardware vendors should support Linux more. I mean, that $200+/PC for Vista should have gone e.g. into NVIDIA's pocket for better GFX card. Wouldn't that make NVIDIA happier?
[05:53] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis I mean the unbuntu-minimal package
[05:53] <DrunkPikachu> dwidmann: that's a hard thing to do when you're buying a budget laptop.
[05:53] <ForgeAus> even if I get it from the net
[05:53] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis: well, the closest thing to a minimal you can do with the livecd would be to debootstrap it ...
[05:53] <DrunkPikachu> dwidmann: If I had the cash for a thinkpad, I'd be all over it
[05:53] <Dr_willis> !info ubuntu-minimal
[05:53] <ubotu> ubuntu-minimal: Minimal core of Ubuntu. In component main, is important. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[05:53] <ForgeAus> figures why it messed up
[05:53] <Dr_willis> 15k :) now THATS minimal
[05:53] <ForgeAus> lol its a metapackage
[05:53] <ForgeAus> I think
[05:54] <Dr_willis> thats my guess also
[05:54] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:54] <ForgeAus> its the dependancies that are big probly
[05:54] <ForgeAus> I managed to copy most of it back from the live CD
[05:54] <ForgeAus> its just that it still doesn't work
[05:54] <ForgeAus> (some upgrade broke it)
[05:54] <ceefour> Dr_willis: It's a news flash that Ubuntu now fits into a 360K 5 1/4" DD disk. You can even fit several ubuntu-minimal packages there :-)
[05:54] <DrunkPikachu> I wonder if we can create a linux distro using 3 lines of python
[05:54] <ForgeAus> (well actually told me it was unneeded and to do an autoremove that included ubuntu-minimal)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> DrunkPikachu,  no.. but ya can do it in 20 lines of perl!
[05:54] <ForgeAus> that was a mistake
[05:54] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: maybe a meta-distro :-)
[05:55] <ForgeAus> metadistro! rofl!
[05:55] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I know I can do it with 1 line of .htaccess: Redirect / http://www.ubuntu.com/ :-)
[05:55] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: cheater
[05:55] <dwidmann> hehehe
[05:55] <ForgeAus> so I need my unbuntu-minimal back functioning
[05:55] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: meta-cheater... :P
[05:56] <ForgeAus> musta been some dud proggy I installed from an unstable repository or something
[05:56] <dwidmann> Ah, and to think I ended up with what I've got after doing a minimal install ....
[05:56] <DrunkPikachu> Hmm with recent advancements in science.... a whole linux distro printed onto a photon
[05:56] <ForgeAus> but then Kompile doesn't install and it complains that kdesu is missing .... I don't understand th at one
[05:56] <ceefour> I wonder how Paris Hilton would laugh had she chatted here right now
[05:56] <dwidmann> dustin@terra:~$ df -h /
[05:56] <dwidmann> /dev/sdc8             9.4G  5.6G  3.8G  60% /
[05:57] <DrunkPikachu> PAris Hilton would talk about how she hacked linux onto her sidekick and then wardrived around malibu.
[05:57] <dwidmann> ceefour: don't you mean cry?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> hmmm so how do I fix my kubuntu then?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> it can't be majorly broken I was running it
[05:58] <ceefour> dwidmann: maybe. I just wonder if the Paris Hilton show visits Ubuntu or KDE's HQ. what will happen?
[05:58] <terika> hey everybody
[05:58] <ForgeAus> hey terika
[05:58] <ceefour> sidekick? Oh that's so PC-DOS ;-)
[05:58] <ForgeAus> PC-dos? nah... worse MS-DOS!
[05:58] <dwidmann> ceefour: with any luck ... that might end up with free kubuntu cds finding their way into a certain hotel chain ..... nahhhhhh
[05:59] <dwidmann> hello terika
[05:59] <DrunkPikachu> Run punch-cards through your sidekick
[05:59] <ForgeAus> I wonder if microsoft still sells MS-DOS products!
[05:59] <DrunkPikachu> One day it might have batch processing
[05:59] <Dr_willis> FreeDos !
[06:00] <JackBandit> how can I get rid of the disgusting gray color from afterstep in KDE?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> disgusting? um you can change the theme
[06:00] <ForgeAus> theres lots in there
[06:00] <JackBandit> I tried
[06:00] <ForgeAus> I did it but I forgot how now
[06:00] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus: I think I was about 3yo at that time
[06:00] <ForgeAus> without seeing it infront of me
[06:00] <ceefour> dwidmann: that's a good idea. let's tell MarkS about it! Yaay!
[06:01] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus: I take that back, I was almost 5
[06:01] <dwidmann> ceefour: :)
[06:01] <JackBandit> think of the nasty gray color them in Afterstep being everywhere in KDE, I went to the thems and changed to default and it is gone a bit, but in all chat windows (IRC, gaim) it is still there
[06:02] <ceefour> When will MS-DOS Vista comes out? I heard it had Aero glass support right on 80x25 text-mode.  I then went into the Thems in control panel and selected it to be default to make everything normal again, but it is still haunting me
[06:04] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: 80x25, crap, I think I need a new monitor. Hopefully it displays more than one color.
[06:04] <ceefour> ext2ifs: release date:   	 11-20-2006 -- dang this thing is recent!!!
[06:05] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I wonder why MS-DOS didn't have a dialog box for setting refresh rates... Did it support HD monitors at 80x25?
[06:05] <dwidmann> jackbandit: the mighty hammer solution seems to involve removing afterstep
[06:06] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I wonder how it feels to run text mode apps on a 30" monitor. It mean, a single character is bigger than your fist? :-)
[06:06] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: talking about that while sitting in front of my 2007wfp seems strange :D
[06:06] <ceefour> JackBandit: Beryl is a good thing if you like super eye candy... ugh. Windowszers will envy
[06:07] <Morbo> Until they want to play X game of the month
[06:07] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: hey, lay off my 3d rotating desktop cube
[06:07] <Morbo> Then they will whine and go back.
[06:07] <DrunkPikachu> Using the more basic compiz though
[06:07] <dwidmann> ceefour: I'm looking forward more to the improvements to kwin in kde 4 :)
[06:08] <Morbo> I want to be cryogenically frozen until it's released
[06:08] <ceefour> dwidmann: hopefully it'll be here with fanfare. it looks ambitious. i mean, several new architectures..
[06:08] <ForgeAus> lol I'm sure with Vista out the Aero engine will have a desktop cube proggy for it...
[06:08] <ceefour> dwidmann: and in the end we still have our friend GNOME...
[06:08] <ForgeAus> at some point
[06:08] <ForgeAus> virtual desktops aren't really a big thing in MS windows
[06:08] <Morbo> Actually, I was disappointed that it was scrapped more or less
[06:08] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus: which will require 3 gigs of ram and your soul
[06:08] <dwidmann> friend? Who's calling the lawn
[06:09] <dwidmann> **lawn gnome a friend now
[06:09] <ForgeAus> Drunk yes... your probably right
[06:09] <ForgeAus> pity I only have one gig of ram
[06:09] <JackBandit> ceefour and dwidmann: I will give both of your solutions a try, hopefully they will work for me and I will let you both know of my outcomes... thank you both for your help
[06:09] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I'm not sure about desktop cube. but currently it has this slightly tilted "Expose" clone. but hey you've got to have 2 GB RAM for that, duh
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i wish all laptops had better gfx cards...
[06:10] <Morbo> I just want to be able to run compositing stuff decently
[06:10] <Morbo> And without having to reduce to 16-bit colors
[06:10] <ceefour> JackBandit: I didn't mean seriously to install Beryl. there's a need to fix the problem first before introducing yet another :-)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> actually arent most lcd's limited to 16bit worth of color showing goodness anyway?
[06:10] <Morbo> I don't thinks so...
[06:10] <Morbo> But I know virtually nothing
[06:11] <ceefour> Morbo: I thought most stuff today refuses to run in 16bit?
[06:11] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I've had stuff switch down before. Color banding makes my eyes bleed.
[06:11] <Morbo> ceefour- To get my Mobility Radeon 7500 to do any compositing, I have to go to 16 bit
[06:11] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I still remember old Windows games which refuses to run because it requires "256 color mode". Man I'm running 32-bit here, and I don't see an option for 256 colors! (ok, I need that Compability tab)
[06:11] <dwidmann> anything modern uses 24-bit color AFAIK. Depending where I set the date of modern at, keeping in mind that 1999 was the stone age.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> I was thinking that from a '# of colors displayable due to lcd limitions' that a lcd really dident gain from the higher bit depth.. but i guess new lcds may be better
[06:11] <Morbo> DrunkPikachu- Yeah
[06:12] <JackBandit> ceefour: opps, well I guess I will try removing afterstep and seeing what that would do for me. Maybe that would be of some help. Guess it cant hurt too much to try. I didnt think color issues would follow you from one desktop enverioment to another
[06:12] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  i rember some windows program ( that cheap MS wordprocessor?) that wouldent even Install OR uninstall if you were 256 colors...
[06:13] <ceefour> Dr_willis: MS Word isn't cheap... at least not in the pricetag
[06:13] <DrunkPikachu> http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDColor.htm article on lcd color depth
[06:13] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  years ago they had that cheap knockoff. :)
[06:13] <DrunkPikachu> 8v6
[06:13] <DrunkPikachu> bit
[06:14] <ceefour> My client recently bought a Toshiba L30 with preinstalled Windows XP Starter Edition. No driver CD included. This is the first time I laid eyes on a "Starter". It doesn't allow more than 3 open windows. And it doesn't connect to network shares. Hello?
[06:14] <JackBandit> if this helps, even now the background in my terminal windows are gray and the part where "File,Edit, View, ect.." is a real dark gray too
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: ewwww.
[06:15] <JackBandit> not sure if that helps describe more of whats going on or not
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: how long did you have to wash for before you felt clean again?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  what country is this in?
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> Cuba?
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> Or trying to install it for a Kombai tribe in Papua
[06:16] <ceefour> Dr_willis: Indonesia. An additional feat is that the installed Windows uses Indonesian language. Can't be switched to English. And I don't even understand their language even though I'm native Indonesian.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> thats about as far from Indonesia as one can get...
[06:16] <ceefour> Dr_willis: It looks like the translator used Babelfish or some sort and then used search&replace to replace some words the most obscure ones in the dictionary.
[06:17] <intelikey> dr_willis cherokee ?
[06:17] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: The client demanded WinXP Pro. So there it goes. It took some time to download the drivers from Toshiba though. It's a good thing the Ethernet works without special Toshiba drivers. Wow.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  Just living in Indiana. :)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  not a lot of Indians left here any more..
[06:19] <intelikey> yeah i know. (:
[06:19] <Dr_willis> and with all the layoffs comming soon... there may not be a lot of ANYTHING left here..
[06:19] <underdog5004> ceefour, ouch...that really sucks...I've only ever _heard_ of starter edition...
[06:19] <ceefour> What is the best way to store "shared" files?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> store? on a hard drive. :)
[06:20] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: non technical people making demands? Sounds like retail to me.. "Yo quero un sony viao con un (broken english) 'jigabyte' de ram."
[06:20] <ceefour> I used to create /shared directory. I thought it'd be better to make /home/ceefour/shared and then /shared is only a symlink?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  you can set up the users /home/whatever dirs to be automatically shared
[06:20] <intelikey> ceefour maybe reverse that ?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> symbolic links and 'shares' often causes problems
[06:21] <DrunkPikachu> Time, share.... Timeshare!
[06:21] <ceefour> What I want is that I have a partition that stores all data. And a "system" partition that is disposable.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  edit your samba config files then to share them as ya want.
[06:21] <ceefour> I don't want to have lots of partition.
[06:21] <underdog5004> DrunkPikachu, a man came into the shop where I work, talking about about jigabytes of Ram...I almost killed him
[06:21] <DrunkPikachu> haha
[06:22] <ceefour> What I meant by "sharing" isn't network share. But just shared among users of the same computer. Or something that's accessible by a group.
[06:22] <DrunkPikachu> 70% of the time they turn around when they see what it actually costs
[06:22] <intelikey> Dr_willis while you are around, do you know of anyway that one could make a common point redirrect to user specific point ?
[06:22] <underdog5004> ceefour, I prefer to make a small / partition and a large /home partition
[06:22] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  liek make /homedirs  point to /home/bubba for user bubba.. but /home/bob for user bob?
[06:22] <intelikey> example: ln -s /tmp /~/tmp
[06:22] <ceefour> underdog5004: I do the same too
[06:22] <intelikey> Dr_willis yes
[06:23] <ceefour> The problem is that making a /shared makes it belong to the system partition. I don't want to wipe that out.
[06:23] <underdog5004> it feels good when I do that...if I _really_ bork my system, I can reinstall, no hassle
[06:23] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  you wantign to access this as a normal direcory from linux? or as a samba share?
[06:23] <ceefour> when I "reinstall" my system.
[06:23] <intelikey> normal linux
[06:23] <intelikey> local
[06:23] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  thers always that 'fuse' stuff that can do amazing tricks...
[06:23] <underdog5004> ceefour, why not just make the share in your /home?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  not sure of why you need this :) but not sure of any other way to do it.
[06:24] <intelikey> can a link or socket do that ?
[06:24] <ceefour> "When the Windows Explorer specifies a file name with a trailing dot, Window's Win32 subsystem removes that dot and the file system driver gets a create/open request with a wrong file name. (It mimics some obscure DOS behavior.)"
[06:24] <ceefour> That's a superannoying bug. I had a folder I can't remove/delete/whatever. Not even a full ScanDisk.
[06:25] <underdog5004> ceefour, where'd that come from?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  soft /hard links dont think so.. not sure about sockets.
[06:25] <ceefour> underdog5004: that's what I thought. I should make a ~/shared/ folder then link that. I just never thought of that before.
[06:25] <intelikey> ah the device fb is a good example....   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Sep 16 04:31 fd -> /proc/self/fd
[06:25] <underdog5004> yep
[06:26] <underdog5004> that's me...the smart one! (at least, that's what my mom says...)
[06:26] <ceefour> underdog5004: I should have done that to some other parts of the system. Like Apache, BIND configs. Ruby gem cache, etc.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> I though she said you were the 'special one' :)
[06:26] <underdog5004> well, that's a no-brainer
[06:26] <underdog5004> @ Dr_willis ^^
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:28] <underdog5004> so...
[06:30] <intelikey> hmmmm if i can figure out what /proc/self is made out of i can do what i'm wanting to do.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> - /proc is a special directory
[06:31] <Dr_willis> one of those new-fangled-dynamic-filesystem-what-ma-thinggies
[06:32] <intelikey> hehhe yeah
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I recall some tutorials/guides in some linux mags that describe making your own special entrys for /proc/
[06:32] <Dr_willis> but ive never needed to do so. :)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I just looked at the pictures in the magazine
[06:33] <Dr_willis> night all
[06:34] <intelikey> hmm mc cant copy self out of /proc without making it static rather than dynamic.
[06:37] <[aegis] > Hey, I need some help, Kubuntu isn't drawing anything on my desktop properly when I log in
[06:37] <[aegis] > I think it has to do with the fact that I tried to change the splash screen
[06:38] <[aegis] > anyone able to help?
[06:40] <[aegis] > Is it just me or is no one talking?
[06:40] <underdog5004> lol, just you.
[06:49] <dwidmann> [aegis] , try disabling usplash altogether and see what happens.
[06:58] <intelikey> well i broke konqueror   and probably everything kde...
[06:58] <intelikey> maybe all of X
[06:58] <intelikey> (:
[07:00] <intelikey> how did i break it ???   Y like this...  sudo find / -type d -name tmp -exec rm -fr '{}' \;
[07:01] <intelikey> yeah it broke X    i figured it would.     X: cannot stat /tmp/.X11-unix (No such file or directory), aborting.
[07:12] <intelikey>
[07:12] <intelikey> `
[07:13] <intelikey> does anyone know how /proc/self works ?
[07:17] <Somebody> so, uh.... Bill Gates is on The Daily Show right now, promoting Microsoft Windows Vista (on North American television, unless the west coast has different times)
[07:17] <tamacracker> Ok, I backed up the files I had on my Primary Slave drive, deleted the partition, formatted and remade it into ext3 partition again... how do I mount it so that it shows as a hard drive?   Can anyone help me?
[07:18] <Somebody> Mark Shuttleworth should do The Daily Show ... I don't know how that works, really
[07:18] <intelikey> mark shuttleworth    who's that ?
[07:19] <intelikey> !mount
[07:19] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:19] <unix_infidel> the benefactor our little hear operation.
[07:19] <unix_infidel> here*
[07:19] <Somebody> Mark Shuttleworth started Ubuntu with his millions of dollars
[07:19] <intelikey> so that's whos to blame.