[00:05] <wgrant> StevenK: You broke the build, btw
[00:05] <StevenK> Blah
[00:07] <StevenK> wgrant: I think I'll set summary_text to 'Rejected by archive administrator.' rather than None, which will solve one of the failures.
[00:09] <wgrant> StevenK: Or find any tests that don't pass a user and fix them
[00:09] <wgrant> There's probably not many
[00:11] <StevenK> You'd prefer summary_text to be None rather than a generic message in the case user and comment are None?
[00:13] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd prefer the user argument to be mandatory, since there's no reason for it to not be
[00:13] <wgrant> And given the few failures it seems like there are probably few tests
[00:13] <StevenK> wgrant: Well, that can be fixed pretty easily
[01:13] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5708682/
[01:15] <wgrant> -            Rejected by archive administrator.
[01:15] <wgrant> +            None
[01:15] <wgrant> Otherwise that looks reasonable
[01:15] <StevenK> wgrant: That test is calling notify() directly
[01:16] <wgrant> StevenK: Ah, I'd consider passing in a summary_text, then
[01:16] <wgrant> Because no rejection email will normally have None for summary_text
[01:23] <StevenK> wgrant: The diff for that test is now:
[01:23] <StevenK>              person, None, [bpr], [], archive, distroseries, pocket,
[01:23] <StevenK> +            summary_text="Rejected by archive administrator.",
[01:23] <StevenK>              action='rejected')
[01:23] <wgrant> Great
[01:25]  * StevenK tosses it at buildbot
[03:50] <StevenK> iharness seems to want to grab __dict__ for any objects you ask it to print, which is very annoying
[04:14] <StevenK> Blah
[04:14] <StevenK> DistroSeries:+queue, stop lying!
[04:18] <StevenK> Ah ha, the archive is wrong
[04:18] <wgrant> What are you breaking?
[04:19] <StevenK> wgrant: Adding the textbox to DistroSeries:+queue
[04:21] <StevenK> wgrant: The template gets compiled by Zope, or I can change it without restarting the appserver?
[04:24] <wgrant> StevenK: Template changes don't require an appserver restart today
[04:25] <wgrant> (which is part of the reason that our current TAL renderer is so ridiculously slow)
[04:25] <StevenK> Hah
[04:25] <StevenK> Oh, damn it
[04:25] <StevenK> It's all one row
[04:25] <wgrant> Hm?
[04:25] <StevenK> With <br/>'s and vertical-align: bottom
[04:26] <wgrant> Oh lovely.
[04:37] <StevenK> Hmmm, this might work.
[04:37] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you want a diff of the template or a screenshot?
[04:38] <wgrant> StevenK: Why not both?
[04:40] <StevenK> wgrant: http://people.canonical.com/~stevenk/reject-reason-queue.jpg and  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5708984/
[04:42] <wgrant> StevenK: I'td say "Rejection comment" (widget captions aren't title case), and have Reject below Accept so the columns look less bad
[04:42] <wgrant> And maybe make the textbox wider, given there's so much space?
[04:43] <wgrant> Like I might put "Rejection comment" in the first two columns like "Override for selected uploads", and then have the textbox span the three override cols.
[04:46] <StevenK> wgrant: http://people.canonical.com/~stevenk/reject-reason-queue-1.jpg and http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5708991/
[04:47] <wgrant> StevenK: The CSS on the label is different
[04:47] <wgrant> Also your GTK theme is fugly
[04:47] <StevenK> Meh
[04:49] <StevenK> wgrant: Refresh -1, that has the updated CSS. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5708997/
[04:50] <wgrant> Your GTK theme still sucks, but otherwise that looks fine :)
[04:50] <StevenK> Blah
[04:50] <StevenK> Now to wire it up
[04:51] <wgrant> Should be nice and easy.
[06:08] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/reject-reason-plus-queue/+merge/165960
[06:09] <wgrant> StevenK: That's not an error message
[06:10] <wgrant> "Rejection comment required." maybe
[06:11] <wgrant> Also, that queue_action_* stuff seems entirely pointless. I'd inline it to be clearer.
[06:11] <wgrant> it's even shorter...
[06:11] <StevenK> wgrant: You'd rather an if action ?
[06:12] <wgrant> Yes
[06:12] <wgrant> there's only two cases, and I can't see us adding more
[06:12] <wgrant> The dynamic lookup almost makes sense for, say, build results
[06:12] <wgrant> But for accept/reject? Unnecessary complication.
[06:13] <wgrant> Also, I'd think assertStatus would take a PackagePublishingStatus, not a string, but either works.
[06:14] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm happy to switch to PackagePublishingStatus
[06:14] <wgrant> That would put it more in line with every other test in the codebase
[06:14] <wgrant> So I think it's a good idea
[06:16] <StevenK> ITYM PackageUploadStatus, but yeah
[06:16] <wgrant> Er, that, yeah
[06:16] <wgrant> I'm working with publication methods at the moment, can you tell? :)
[06:16] <StevenK> :-)
[06:23] <StevenK> wgrant: Will my new test class cause all tests in the super class to be run twice?
[06:24] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes
[06:24] <wgrant> I'd merge the two classes, probably
[06:24] <wgrant> Rather than extracting a base
[06:29] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5709168/
[06:32] <wgrant> Looks good
[06:33] <StevenK> wgrant: Any other objections, or shall I push?
[06:33] <wgrant> Push!
[06:42] <StevenK> wgrant: The MP is updated
[06:46] <wgrant> StevenK: r=me
[09:47] <czajkowski> jtv:  Is there any way to set up rosetta on a branch owned by a public team?
[09:49] <jtv> Hi czajkowski — you mean to export translations to?  I think there have been changes in this area, so for the current state of affairs you'd best talk to the Australians.
[09:49] <jtv> The situation when I worked with it was that you had to own the branch in order to select it, but then of course you could change its ownership.
[09:50] <czajkowski> jtv: cool thanks wgrant has asked for clarification from the user in lp land
[09:50] <czajkowski> thanks


[19:24] <chris4585> apparently ubuntu will be moving away from x and wayland
[19:26] <wrst> chris4585: just saw that also
[19:28] <chris4585> not sure how I feel about this, but I just hope all the existing applications can work with it
[19:28] <chris4585> otherwise I see ubuntu digging a hole in the ground
[19:30] <wrst> yes
[19:30] <wrst> agreed
[19:30] <Unit193> I'm not impressed at all, but it is supposed to have an X compatibility layer in October '13
[19:30] <wrst> not for sure what i think exactly will be interesting for sure
[19:34] <chris4585> I'm not really concerned though
[19:34] <wrst> nah i can always just use arch :)
[19:36] <chris4585> exactly :)
[19:36] <chris4585> I'm not sure how that will go with nvidia / amd drivers
[19:37] <wrst> i really think the ubuntu rolling might really work well for me
[19:37] <chris4585> I doubt they would make such a switch without taking care of something like that first
[19:37] <chris4585> oh yeah I heard about that, I hope they do it
[19:41] <Unit193> 13.04 is too soon, and wouldn't go well for the flavors. :/
[19:42] <wrst> Unit193: they don't care about the flavors, or likely even ubuntu so much as the desktop goes they are drunk on mobile
[19:42] <Unit193> wrst: I know they don't.
[19:43] <wrst> so might as well look for another distro :)
[19:43]  * wrst migth not should say that here
[19:43] <Unit193> Always have a backup plan, but I don't feel like migrating stuff. :P
[19:48] <wrst> its all linux
[19:50] <chris4585> yep
[19:51] <chris4585> I'm happy on manjaro
[19:51] <chris4585> the new gnome if I'm not mistake actually has a menu similar to cinnamon now
[19:52] <wrst> Unit193: here you go http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/gamer-rewrites-valves-steam-installer-for-debian/
[19:52] <wrst> chris4585: its available
[19:52] <wrst> not going to be default
[19:52] <Unit193> I'll read it, but can't run steam. ;)
[19:52] <wrst> Unit193: why not?
[19:53] <Unit193> Weak computer, same reason for staying away from Arch.
[19:53] <wrst> ahh well if you have a weak computer thats all the more reason to use arch
[19:53] <wrst> arch with xfce and you can run that on a calculator from 1982
[19:53] <chris4585> lol
[19:53] <chris4585> arch + openbox <3
[19:54] <wrst> if you have a a weak computer whay are you using any Ubuntu????
[19:54] <chris4585> wrst, manjaro came out with an openbox flavor and I haven't tried it yet, but I'm willing to bet its better than archbang
[19:54] <wrst> seems to be a pretty popular distro... I'm just a traditionalist I want to get arch working the right way, by banging my head against a brick wall
[19:55] <wrst> actually I can have it installed nearly as quickly as ubuntu with a desktop, no where near as complete but its running
[19:55] <wrst> Unit193: really if you are on less powerful hardware and with your knowledge why do you use ubuntu?
[19:55] <Unit193> Because it runs well on it?  I'd dip into aur way too much for it to be sane. :P
[19:55] <chris4585> that isn't really my kind of fun anymore tbh, I'm really loving manjaro, I believe they making a installer similar to ubuntu's
[19:56] <chris4585> lol
[19:56] <Unit193> wrst: Debian, except it doesn't care as much about open source or not.
[19:56] <wrst> Unit193: what is the difference in running the AUR vs a PPA other than the AUR stuff if you use a helper like yaourt is much cleaner?
[19:57] <Unit193> I don't generally use a ton of PPAs, and you compile AUR.
[19:57] <wrst> not necessarily
[19:58] <chris4585> not everything compiles, like themes and such, which is one reason I love aur, have the latest themes, without adding stupid ppas lol
[19:59] <wrst> me too chris4585
[19:59] <wrst> ppas can get out of hand pretty quickly
[20:00] <Unit193> chris4585: That's called git pull for me. :P
[20:00] <Unit193> wrst: Quite a lot of them aren't good.
[20:00] <chris4585> whatever works for you
[20:01] <Unit193> Yep, but this is a nice talk about differences.
[20:02] <chris4585> well that is another thing I do like about aur, they usually have the git or bzr version listed
[20:02] <wrst> Unit193: yeah and lots of AUR packages aren't good either its a little but of a gamble for either really
[20:02] <chris4585> so its nice and simple, no searching on http
[20:03] <chris4585> that is true, but usually there is a work around in the forums
[20:03] <Unit193> I have my handy little PPA up too, for my own stuff that I update, so it's handy for me. :P
[20:03] <wrst> you could do the same in the AUR ;)
[20:04] <wrst> but yeah i think both have their issues and going out of repos for anything is not desired
[20:06] <chris4585> eeh, not to be a downer, but I'm glad I cut ubuntu off a while ago, I just didn't like the direction its been going to, I wouldn't mind using it with cinnamon or just mint though
[20:07] <Unit193> Mint, ewww.... :P   Cinnamon is in the main repo for 13.04, if there is one.
[20:07] <Unit193> chris4585: And what works for you, works for you.  Glad you found whatever it may be.
[20:08] <chris4585> yes, I'm quite happy
[20:08] <chris4585> :)
[20:11] <wrst> yeah chris4585 I'm using it now but think I will likely go back to arch soon for my distro to work on
[20:13] <chris4585> good luck lol
[20:13] <chris4585> I think if ubuntu is successful with this on tablets first and then attempts to try it on desktops it may be a better solution than x, but we will see..
[20:24] <wrst> I agree, but that is a huge if


[01:22] <kenvandine> nik90_, you should totally try out bacon2d :)
[08:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Gummi Worm Day! :-D
[08:30]  * mzanetti wants gummi worms now
[09:19] <DanChapman> ogra_, hey, sorry i missed your suggestion yesterday, that actually seems like it could be a better solution and would make you think/know it will do "something else". I'll have a ponder on whether it should be "..." or an icon of some kind that's not a progression arrow.
[09:19] <DanChapman> ogra_, I had an idea a few weeks back http://goo.gl/YaR4fF see slide 2, so you would swipe on a mailbox to open the subfolders or tap to open message list. But i hit issues trying to implement it, during the swipe animation both mailbox views would have the same mailboxes until the animation finished. Looked horrid! :-)
[09:19] <ogra_> two folders stacked on each other perhaps
[09:20] <ogra_> oh, thats way cooler than my icon idea :)
[09:21] <ogra_> but will be tricky if you have something like: Drafts/Office ... Drafts/Text etc etc ... i.e. if you have more than Inbox subfolders
[09:22] <ogra_> ah, you make it dependent of which line i swipe ... hmm
[09:22] <ogra_> i guess that would work nicely :)
[09:23] <DanChapman> ogra_, yes exactly so you would swipe on a specific mailbox item to view it's subfolders (if it has any) or you tap on the mailbox item to view it's messages.
[09:24] <ogra_> yeah, that makes sense
[10:18] <dpm> popey, sorry for the delay. I'm happy to jump into the call or postpone. In any case, I only had one topic - did you manage to talk to pwlars re: Reminders on the CI dashboard?
[10:19] <popey> dpm: there is a bug which xnox is working on which is blocking it
[10:19] <popey> dpm: basically python2/python3
[10:19] <dpm> do we have a bug number?
[10:20] <popey> ogra_: you mentioned a bug in the landing call.. ?
[10:20] <ogra_> nope
[10:20] <ogra_> but there is an MP
[10:20] <popey> looks like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xnox/phablet-tools/no-uitk-deprecation/revision/289
[10:20] <popey> rejected...
[10:21] <ogra_> ag, it has a bug linked bug 1327325
[10:21] <popey> ok, now https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/phablet-tools/fix-ptr-python3-import-check/+merge/222391
[10:21] <popey> which is merged, so this fixes it and we can enable it now?
[10:21] <popey> does the phablet-tools ppa need updating?
[10:26] <dpm> popey, could you follow up to find out what still needs to be done to get reminders in the image?
[10:26] <popey> reminders is in the image, its just not on the qa dashboard - to be clear
[10:26] <popey> but yes, will speak to plars & fginther when they wake
[10:26] <dpm> oh, is it? I didn't know it had landed
[10:27] <dpm> thanks popey
[10:27] <popey> yes landed a few images ago
[10:27] <popey> dpm: com.ubuntu.developer.vocoderism.soundcloud_1.0.0_all.click
[10:27] <popey> bah
[10:27] <popey> dpm: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/124.changes
[10:36] <popey> dpm: so the thing I wanted to talk to you about is the autolanding of clicks in the store.
[10:40] <DanChapman> t1mp, have you ever seen the header do this http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpniel/dekko/video/scrn_rcd__00000.webm? It's rather bizarre, and only seems to occur using a flickable inside a panel. Is there a property I need to set like the page's flickable or is this a bug?
[10:41] <t1mp> DanChapman: wow that's weird, I never saw that
[10:41] <t1mp> DanChapman: what do you want to happen there? should the header auto-hide when you scroll down?
[10:42] <t1mp> DanChapman: if you set the flickable property of the page to null, the header will be locked
[10:45] <DanChapman> t1mp, ahh i see what it is now. :-) Yes i need to lock it when the panel is opened. It seems the scrollevent is being passed through to the page behind when the panels scroll is finished.
[10:46] <t1mp> DanChapman: yes, first I thought some flickable somehow became a child of the header, but then I realized that maybe there was another flickable hiding behind the header that takes over the scroll
[10:50] <nik90_> rpadovani: fixed your comments at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/10-world-clocks/+merge/226738
[10:58] <diogo_> hi guys
[11:00] <rpadovani> nik90_, approve
[11:00] <nik90_> rpadovani: how did you build it using the command line?
[11:00] <nik90_> rpadovani: on trusty that is
[11:01] <nik90_> rpadovani: I am trying to help victor build the click package on his 14.04 laptop
[11:01] <rpadovani> nik90_, I'm on utopic :-)
[11:01] <nik90_> rpadovani: ah
[11:02] <rpadovani> nik90_, at the end I used QtCreator, because cmake compiles the plugin, but doesn't copy qml files in the builddir, so I have to do it manually.. at the end using the sdk is faster
[11:02] <rpadovani> maybe mzanetti have some informations
[11:03]  * mzanetti reads scrollback
[11:03] <mzanetti> no... don't know how to build click packages
[11:03] <mzanetti> I just ran it on the desktop
[11:04] <nik90_> mzanetti: np, I will ask victor to just build and run it on the phone using qtcreator for now
[11:04] <mzanetti> nik90_: doesn't that build a click package?
[11:05] <mzanetti> I guess he should be able to copy the click package from the build directory after that
[11:05] <nik90_> mzanetti: it does, but I think he wanted to do it using the command line
[11:05] <nik90_> but yeah he could just copy the generated click pkg
[11:05] <mzanetti> there's probably something like make click
[11:05] <rpadovani> mzanetti, wait, how do you build clock app? mkdir builddir cmake .. make?
[11:05] <mzanetti> rpadovani: no, with qtcreator
[11:05] <mzanetti> rpadovani: well, yes, I've built it in cmdline too
[11:06] <mzanetti> but then you need to export QML2_IMPORT_PATH to run it
[11:06] <rpadovani> aha, I suppose something like this, but didn't understand what was wrong, thanks
[11:06] <rpadovani> mzanetti, and why reminders does it by itself?
[11:07] <mzanetti> rpadovani: because I made it that way
[11:07] <rpadovani> sounds fair :-)
[11:07] <mzanetti> not sure why our CMakeLists template doesn't do that
[11:07] <mzanetti> rpadovani: well, actually its the reminder's main.cpp
[11:08] <nik90_> mzanetti: we dont have a main.cpp launcher
[11:08] <mzanetti> nik90_: I know... that's why its so hard to launch it :)
[11:08] <rpadovani> mzanetti, but in the builddir of reminders there are also all the qml files, in the builddir of clock, no
[11:08] <mzanetti> rpadovani: yep, that's our CMakeLists.txt
[11:10] <nik90_> rpadovani: I think the clock app is better suited to be run from Qtc :)
[11:10] <rpadovani> mzanetti, so, I think could be useful modify the clock app to do the same, isn't it? Or there are some good reasons to have Cmakelist as it is now? :-)
[11:10] <rpadovani> nik90_, well, also reminders can run from qt creator :-)
[11:10] <rpadovani> One thing doesn't exclude the other
[11:10] <mzanetti> rpadovani: that's a question for the SDK team... I don't know why the templates don't do this stuff...
[11:11] <mzanetti> rpadovani: you can of course extend it manually
[11:11] <rpadovani> lol
[11:18] <mzanetti> rpadovani: nik90_: you can compile/run the clock app in cmdline like this:
[11:18] <mzanetti> cmake . && make
[11:18] <mzanetti> QML2_IMPORT_PATH=/path/to/clock-app/backend qmlscene app/ubuntu-clock-app.qml
[11:19] <mzanetti> if you're doing out of source builds (i.e. mkdir builddir && cd builddir before building) you need to adjust the paths...
[11:19] <mzanetti> in that case, still run it from the top of the source directory, but make the QML2_IMPORT_PATH point to builddir/backend/
[11:20] <nik90_> ok
[11:20] <mzanetti> I don't know about the click package though...
[11:23] <karni> mhall119: zbenjamin: hey guys, I'd like to click package a QML plugin along with an app I'm working on. would you have hints about going about it? (the lib is just a single .so file and qmldir file) If not, perhaps you'd have hints how to run the app with qmlscene without installing the QML plugin? I tried to follow mzanetti's hint just above, but it still says plugin not installed
[11:24] <karni> notably, I can run the app (without installing the plugin) from our SDK
[11:25] <zbenjamin> karni: a QML plugin you are building?
[11:25] <karni> mzanetti: does this look like a correct launch command to you? (trying to point qmlscene at a plugin) QML2_IMPORT_PATH=".;/usr/bin;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml;../../qml-plugin-build/qmlplugin" qmlscene main.qml
[11:25] <karni> zbenjamin: yes, I have it built (by the SDK)
[11:25] <karni> it lives under the last path above (qmlplugin/Ubuntu/Plugin/Foo/ the *.so and qmldir)
[11:25] <zbenjamin> karni: from the qml app + backend tempalte?
[11:26] <zbenjamin> template
[11:26] <mzanetti> karni: then you need to export the QML2_IMPORT_PATH to qmlplugin/Ubuntu/Plugin/
[11:26] <karni> zbenjamin: even if it's from the template, it could have gone major transformations. aaah
[11:26]  * karni looks
[11:26] <mzanetti> karni: unless you're importing "import Ubuntu.Plugin.Foo 0.1"
[11:27] <karni> mzanetti: yes, that's what I'm importing :(
[11:27] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: karni: i would not do that there is a default path for plugins and the QML2_IMPORT_PATH is set by upstart to thos paths
[11:27] <mzanetti> ah ok... then the path looks correct... not entirely sure if relative paths work... I think I had troubles with that before
[11:27] <karni> aha
[11:27] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: karni: because you will run into big trouble with the fat packages later
[11:27] <mzanetti> zbenjamin: what's the default path for those plugins?
[11:28] <karni> yes, +1 on this question
[11:28] <zbenjamin> how our template does it ;)
[11:28]  * zbenjamin looks
[11:29] <mzanetti> karni: well, my click packages copy the plugin into the top level dir... But I'm mostly using qmake and have written the project files myself
[11:29] <mzanetti> karni: but in the end I have something like this:
[11:29] <karni> mzanetti: aha
[11:29] <mzanetti> main.qml
[11:30] <mzanetti> Foo/qmldir
[11:30] <mzanetti> Foo/somelib.so
[11:30] <mzanetti> and package it up like this in the click
[11:30] <karni> gotcha
[11:30] <zbenjamin> karni: mzanetti: lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf
[11:30] <mzanetti> the main.qml imports "Foo"
[11:30] <karni> mzanetti: ack
[11:30] <karni> zbenjamin: thank you
[11:30] <zbenjamin> so its lib/target-triplet
[11:30] <mzanetti> zbenjamin: relative to the click package's root dir?
[11:30] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: yes
[11:31] <mzanetti> mhm
[11:31] <karni> aha
[11:31] <zbenjamin> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7798091/
[11:31] <karni> great, thank you zbenjamin, mzanetti
[11:31] <zbenjamin> np
[11:33] <karni> zbenjamin: and if i'd like to run that on the desktop, before packaging, just from my ready "click" directory that I click package, you suggest this layout should work OOTB with qmlscene?
[11:35] <mzanetti> karni: I believe that's some envirenment stuff on the phone
[11:36] <mzanetti> but not sure
[11:36] <karni> ACK. I'd like to be able to also run this from CLI (since SDK can easily run the app on the desktop with no problems :) )
[11:36] <karni> thanks anyway, I'll try this stuff
[11:37] <mzanetti> karni: well, for just running it from cli, you can just use QML2_IMPORT_PATH
[11:37] <mzanetti> maybe hack that into a run.sh script to point to the builddir automagically if you do it often
[11:37] <karni> which sadly didn't work, but I'm updating my project now, we'll see if it works this time! :)
[11:37] <karni> mzanetti: hahaha, that's *exactly* what I did :)
[11:37] <karni> I see we're on the same page
[11:38] <mzanetti> :)
[11:49] <zbenjamin> karni: its only on the phone
[11:50] <karni> zbenjamin: I created the template QML+Cpp and I'll try to follow the cmake
[11:55] <zbenjamin> karni: use qtcreator it can run it locally for you ;)
[11:56] <karni> zbenjamin: trying to be comprehensive :) yes, we sue qtc as well
[11:56] <karni> zbenjamin: would you happen to know proper values of "architecture" in manifest.json ?
[11:57] <karni> is it full triplet, or just 'all, 'armhf', etc?
[12:02] <karni> zbenjamin: hehe, nvm, found this :) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148246684/make-click
[12:10] <nik90_> popey: ping
[12:18] <nik90_> popey, dpm: Submitted clock reboot to store at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/948/
[12:19] <dpm> \o/
[12:20] <popey> nik90_: great!
[12:50] <nik90_> dpm: ping
[13:01] <nik90_> t1mp, kalikiana: Can any one of you assign bug 1337405 to zsombor to ensure it is in his radar when he gets back.
[13:07] <t1mp> nik90_: done
[13:10] <dpm> nik90_, pong
[13:13] <rhuddie> kenvandine, I
[13:13] <rhuddie> kenvandine, I'm giving your test export peer a try
[13:14] <rhuddie> kenvandine, I wonder how do I set it as the default exporter for pictures instead of gallery-app ?
[13:14] <jdstrand> beuno: hey, rather than blocking the merge, I took rour comment, fixed it, merged it, then added a TODO to the debian/changelog so it is clear not to package it until there is a web service to pull down the apparmor json
[13:14] <kenvandine> rhuddie, that's in gsettings
[13:14] <jdstrand> beuno: thanks for the review
[13:15] <rhuddie> kenvandine, ah ok
[13:15] <kenvandine> rhuddie, so you're testing something that expects the default peer?
[13:15] <beuno> jdstrand, perfect
[13:15] <beuno> jdstrand, I guess that means we're package-independant now?
[13:15] <rhuddie> kenvandine, idea is that we're driving the test from address-book-app with autopilot, to attach a picture to a contact
[13:15] <jdstrand> beuno: yes, once your bit hits we will be fully functionally package-independent
[13:15] <kenvandine> rhuddie, maybe we should change content-hub-service so if started with -testability it ignores the default sources and always returns the autoexporter
[13:16] <jdstrand> beuno: well, except for the few odd python depends
[13:16] <kenvandine> rhuddie, yeah, and it just uses the default source right?
[13:16] <kenvandine> doesn't show you the peer picker
[13:16] <rhuddie> kenvandine, yes, just uses default, no peer picker
[13:16] <jdstrand> beuno: I also started on the missing hook tests
[13:17] <kenvandine> rhuddie, would that work for you?  could you make it start the service with -testability ?
[13:17] <rhuddie> kenvandine, yes that should be easy
[13:17] <kenvandine> ok, that's a bit more of an invasive change to the hub
[13:18] <kenvandine> but i can't think of another alternative
[13:18] <jdstrand> beuno: there are 5! :) people have been busy. I added a new test to warn if the review tools doesn't recognize a hook, so we shouldn't get into this again
[13:19] <nik90_> dpm: hey I have a translation question
[13:19] <rhuddie> kenvandine, I'm happy to try changing default app in gsettings, but I'd need to investigate how to do that. At least that would leave content-hub unchanged.
[13:20] <kenvandine> rhuddie, just a gsettings command
[13:20] <nik90_> dpm: we are populating the clock app with a list of popular cities which is read from a xml file provided with the clock app.
[13:20] <nik90_> dpm: is there a way we could expose the city names to the translators to get it translated?
[13:20] <beuno> jdstrand, but I thought you merged in my branch already?
[13:20] <beuno> woooo hooks!
[13:21] <nik90_> t1mp: thnx
[13:21] <kenvandine> rhuddie, please try that first and let me know how it goes
[13:21] <rhuddie> kenvandine, that sounds like it should be easy enough. yes I'll let you know. cheers.
[13:22] <jdstrand> beuno: I did
[13:22] <jdstrand> beuno: wait, which branch?
[13:22] <dpm> nik90_,  not really, as the list of cities is quite long and it's often already translated via the API
[13:22] <dpm> nik90_, a while ago I commented on a bug about it. IIRC, we could pass the lang parameter to the API to get translated city names
[13:22] <kenvandine> rhuddie, cool, thx
[13:22] <nik90_> dpm: that's the thing though, for the new clock app we are not using the online API
[13:22] <beuno> jdstrand, the frameworks one that pulls in from the web
[13:23] <beuno> so that, plus you landing this, trunk doesn't depend on system packages anymore, AFAICT
[13:23] <dpm> nik90_, so how do you get the list of all cities in the world?
[13:23] <dpm> ah
[13:23] <nik90_> dpm: if you cannot find a city from the local list, we just request the user to add their own custom city and choose the timezone it is in
[13:23] <kenvandine> rhuddie, i'd still think i like the idea of making the change in the service, it could be useful, but don't have time to work on it right now
[13:23] <jdstrand> beuno: I pulled in the one for frameworks to use a web service, I did nt pull in a second for aapparmor to use a web service
[13:23] <dpm> nik90_, where does the local list come from?
[13:23] <dpm> and how many cities has it got?
[13:23] <jdstrand> beuno: where is that branch? /me is still going through email
[13:24] <nik90_> dpm: I created that manually after looking at android's clock app list
[13:24] <kenvandine> rhuddie, so even if you get it all working hacking gsettings keys, please file a bug requesting -testability :)
[13:24] <nik90_> dpm: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JvDyhsW17d1-Mz8OY1YMBKwfRI2z9qgyRjbujEsxEMk/edit#slide=id.g338feb3e7_08
[13:24] <beuno> jdstrand, right, right. I apparmor still doesn't pull in from a webservice, but it ships the json, so still cut dependance from a package, right?
[13:24] <beuno> there's no new branch  :)
[13:25] <nik90_> dpm: it has got quite a bit (~70 I guess)
[13:25] <nik90_> dpm: I am still thinking if there is a better way to do this
[13:25] <jdstrand> it does not ship the json (yet). I needs to be made to do so are to do the web service
[13:25] <jdstrand> man
[13:25] <jdstrand> let me retype that
[13:25] <nik90_> dpm: in the system settings app where you choose the timezone, does the city list there appear translated?
[13:25] <jdstrand> it needs to be made to do so or to do the web service
[13:26] <beuno> jdstrand, so what is data/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu.json?  :)
[13:26]  * beuno is confused
[13:27] <beuno> I thought it used that, and I'd propose a branch for the tools to be able to self-update it as well
[13:27] <dpm> nik90_, it doesn't on the phone. It's got the standard cities associated with each time zone, and for the others it's got a search textbox that returns API results (untranslated too)
[13:27] <dpm> nik90_, sorry, I have to prepare something else. Would you mind if we continue the conversation later on or tomorrow morning?
[13:28] <nik90_> dpm: no problem. talk to you tomorrow morning about it
[13:28] <dpm> thanks nik90_
[13:28] <jdstrand> beuno: if you pull down the tree, it is used. the deb packaging has not been modified to ship it. the deb packaging wasn't modified to ship data/frameworks.json either, so I was following frameworks' lead
[13:29] <beuno> jdstrand, aha!
[13:29] <beuno> understood now
[14:10] <mzanetti> dpm: hi
[14:11] <mzanetti> dpm: yesterday I wanted to check out riccardo's oxide stuff, but I wasn't able to create a new account any more
[14:11] <mzanetti> dpm: neither on phone nor on desktop
[14:11] <mzanetti> installing account-plugin-evernote makes the sandbox thing appear in accounts, but trying to create one of those, fails and even gets accounts into weird state
[14:13] <rhuddie> kenvandine, do you know what key value I would need to specify for the test-exporter? e.g. gallery-app uses: ["com.ubuntu.gallery", "gallery", "current-user-version"]
[14:14] <kenvandine>  ["content-hub-test-exporter", "", ""]
[14:15] <kenvandine> rhuddie, ^^
[14:15] <rhuddie> kenvandine, thanks, let me give that a go
[14:21] <rhuddie> kenvandine, thanks ken that seemed to work. I added a picture file to /tmp/test1 which got returned
[14:23] <dpm> hi mzanetti
[14:24] <mzanetti> o/
[14:24] <dpm> hey :)
[14:25] <dpm> hm, weird. I've just upgraded to the latest image (131, I think), and I removed the Evernote account to test if the Reminders installation worked (it's now preinstalled on the image). The account creation worked fine
[14:27] <dpm> mzanetti, what were you trying to do, creating a regular account, or a sandbox account?
[14:27] <kenvandine> rhuddie, check out my latest changes to that branch, it now includes real images to return
[14:27] <kenvandine> in the content-hub-testability package
[14:28] <rhuddie> kenvandine, oh great, thanks :)
[14:28] <kenvandine> rhuddie, np
[14:29] <mzanetti> dpm: I wanted to create a regular account
[14:29] <mzanetti> dpm: however, strangely installing "account-plugin-evernote" got me a sandbox entry in the "Add new account" dialog
[14:29] <mzanetti> dpm: tapping that doesn't open it, but just makes the window show up and disappear again
[14:30] <dpm> mzanetti, I'm guessing you are talking about installing it on the desktop, and not on the phone?
[14:30] <mzanetti> dpm: nope. phone too
[14:30] <dpm> mzanetti, that's a bit strange, as it's installed by default on the phone
[14:30] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah... I opened it yesterday, it was broken
[14:31] <mzanetti> dpm: I reinstalled, still broken
[14:31] <dpm> mzanetti, which image are you using?
[14:31] <mzanetti> meh... obviously it works now
[14:31] <mzanetti> dpm: I was using yesterday's devel proposed
[14:32] <dpm> mzanetti, ah, I skipped a few images, so I probably didn't notice. I upgraded from 124 or so to 131
[14:54] <elopio> ping jhodapp: can you please check if this is the right behaviour? https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/mediaplayer-app/fix1341956-test_no_video/+merge/226774
[14:55] <jhodapp> elopio: let me look
[14:57] <jhodapp> elopio: looks good to me
[14:58] <elopio> jhodapp: thanks. We need this one to make jenkins happy about the other changes.
[14:58] <jhodapp> elopio: ok great, thanks
[14:58] <elopio> brendand, can you resubmit your branch with this one as a prerequisite ^ ?
[14:58] <elopio> jhodapp: are you the one that lands new mediaplayer versions?
[14:59] <jhodapp> elopio: yes, me or renato
[15:00] <DanChapman> popey, mhall119 a recent dekko review mentioned notifications of new mail arrival, am I right in thinking that can only be done via push notifications and not from the app itself?
[15:00] <elopio> jhodapp: ok, we have three branches ready with autopilot changes. But I'll make sure that they are passing jenkins before asking for you to add them to the next landing.
[15:00] <brendand> elopio, ok
[15:00] <popey> DanChapman: i believe so, but mardy might be the one to ask
[15:01] <jhodapp> elopio: well you should ask for a silo in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:01] <mhall119> DanChapman: push notifications requires a server-side component that knows about your account and can tell our push notifications server about updates, which means for Gmail we'd need google sending us notifications
[15:01] <mhall119> DanChapman: since we're not getting that anytime soon, there's going to be a special background service on the phone that will poll for updates, and then update the notification service
[15:01] <mhall119> either way, it's not something you can add to dekko
[15:02] <elopio> jhodapp: well, that was my question from before. I didn't know if I should do it myself or ask you to do it for me. I can ask for the silo when things are ready.
[15:02] <jhodapp> elopio: yeah, I can create a line in the landing spreadsheet for you, but I can't make a silo
[15:03] <elopio> got it.
[15:03] <elopio> thanks.
[15:04] <DanChapman> mhall119, yeah that's what i was thinking :-) I actually hadn't given it any real thought up until now and that review sparked the question. Thanks
[15:04] <DanChapman> popey, thanks :-)
[15:06] <jhodapp> elopio: so if you get me the MR URL(s) and a description of the change, I can add a spreadsheet line
[15:10] <brendand> elopio, launchpad isn't letting me
[15:38] <mhall119> Kaleo: do you have a bit of time to help me with some UITK problems I'm having with conditional layouts?
[15:39] <Kaleo> mhall119, actually no :/
[15:39] <Kaleo> mhall119, camera app busy :)
[15:39] <Kaleo> mhall119, also I know very little about them layouts, timp and zsombi do
[15:39] <Kaleo> sorry
[15:40] <mhall119> that's ok, t1mp are you around?
[16:18] <caribou> thanks zul
[16:18] <caribou> oups, wrong window, sorry
[16:19] <popey> gatox: jdstrand still seeing this with payui 0.2.8 - is this expected?       "text": "did not validate: (ValidationError in file '/tmp/clickreview-sm9w9lnv/payui.desktop': \n- 'neverShow' is not a registered OnlyShowIn value )"
[16:19] <jdstrand> popey: yes, that is what gatox was talking about
[16:19] <gatox> popey, the fix is not proposed yet
[16:20] <popey> ok, but I previously tested 0.2.7, this is 0.2.8, do I approve or wait for the next one which will have the fix?
[16:20] <jdstrand> popey: neverShow is not a valid value for OnlyShowIn (http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apb.html)
[16:21] <jdstrand> I suggest waiting. using OnlySHowIn in this manner is undefined behavior
[16:21] <popey> ok
[16:21] <popey> gatox: also, might want to update the framework
[16:21] <jdstrand> (the results of using OnlySHowIn in this manner is undefined I should say)
[16:37] <diogo_> hi guys
[16:37] <diogo_> just a simple question, how can i make an if statement in qml??
[16:45] <ahayzen> kalikiana, ping
[16:59] <mzanetti> rpadovani: hey, you around?
[17:00] <rpadovani> mzanetti, just arrived :-)
[17:00] <mzanetti> rpadovani: heh, just in time :)
[17:00] <mzanetti> rpadovani: was just having a chat with dpm about reminders.
[17:01] <mzanetti> rpadovani: what do you think about adding a new note bottom edge thingie
[17:01] <mzanetti> rpadovani: and getting rid of the new note in the header
[17:01] <mzanetti> rpadovani: that way we would only have search and sort in the header and could get rid of the popover
[17:01] <rpadovani> mzanetti, the feature is very cool, I dunno if is easy enough to understand for a new user
[17:01] <rpadovani> but I like it
[17:02] <rpadovani> so for me +1
[17:02] <mzanetti> rpadovani: well, think the same as in the dialer-app
[17:02] <mzanetti> rpadovani: the one with the label at that says "New Note"
[17:02] <mzanetti> or in the messaging app, for New Chat
[17:03] <rpadovani> mzanetti, yes, there is in message and it's very cool
[17:03] <rpadovani> mzanetti, for me it's ok
[17:03] <mzanetti> yeah, lets go for that then
[17:04] <dpm> sounds good
[17:05] <gerlowskija> balloons: ping
[17:05] <balloons> gerlowskija, pong
[17:05] <dpm> mzanetti, rpadovani, do you know how to make the header disappear when scrolling down the list of notes? t1mp mentioned that with the new header it should just work, but on Reminders the header stays fixed on top
[17:06] <mzanetti> hmm... good question...
[17:07] <rpadovani> maybe is because we have the sideview?
[17:08] <mzanetti> could be
[17:10] <gerlowskija> balloons:  So a question on landing https://code.launchpad.net/~gerlowskija/ubuntu-calendar-app/revised-fix-for-bug1334883.  When we were talking last about it (last Friday?) my impression was that the latest build failed on jenkins because of an unrelated bug on adding events that split days (the event was added right before midnight).  Does that
[17:10] <gerlowskija> sound right to you, or did I mis-interpret/mis-read something?
[17:11] <gerlowskija> its completely possible that I did, just trying to check my understanding.
[17:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani: hah, found a funny bug
[17:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani: on my notebook, all my notes are red, on my phone, all of them are green
[17:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani: I guess we should have something more deterministic
[17:15] <rpadovani> mzanetti, well, I think there isn't a simple way to achieve this... maybe the creation date?
[17:15] <mzanetti> rpadovani: good one!
[17:16] <rpadovani> mzanetti, but what happens if you delete a notebook? All colours change?
[17:17] <mzanetti> rpadovani: well, if we'd do some hashing over the creation date that always returns the same.... the other question would be how to avoid collisions at best...
[17:17] <mzanetti> I'll think about it a bit
[17:17] <rpadovani> mzanetti, my idea was the that the older notebook as one color, then the second one, and so on, but there is the problem of deletions... I'll try to think to something :-)
[17:18] <balloons> gerlowskija, I couldn't actually remember :-) I just now I wanted to help you get it landed!
[17:18] <balloons> but that does sound correct
[17:19] <mzanetti> rpadovani: hmm... maybe there's something in the evernote api where we could sync such data
[17:19] <mzanetti> so the first one picks a color and syncs it to the server in a way the user can't see it
[17:19] <balloons> gerlowskija, I'll try running it again and see what happens. If the same error occurs, we'll have to look closer. If it doesn't occur, that means there is probably a bug we should file
[17:19] <mzanetti> and obviously other apps shouldn't have to bother with it too
[17:20] <gerlowskija> ok great. Thanks for the help balloons
[17:34] <dpm> rpadovani, now that the oxide port is effectively finished (pending approval), would you be perhaps interested in looking at bug 1340635? I seem to remember you implemented the account creation stuff, so you're probably familiar on how we could detect that an account is already available and present the right message
[17:35] <rpadovani> dpm, oh, yes, I have to ping mardy about this, thanks for remember :-)
[17:38] <dpm> awesome, thanks rpadovani!
[17:41] <kalikiana> ahayzen: pong
[17:42] <ahayzen> kalikiana, hey i was wondering do u know if these two will be fixed before rtm? https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1db-qt/+bug/1322156 https://bugs.launchpad.net/u1db-qt/+bug/1266529 ?
[17:42] <gatox> popey, which is the new framework?
[17:43] <popey> gatox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks & https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1t_JGpg4r8BLluzfzmqa-gAbcKUjKUOufSCTSdPpFc5g/edit#gid=0
[17:43] <popey> gatox: -dev2 i think
[17:44] <gatox> popey, ack, thx
[17:44] <popey> np
[17:45] <kalikiana> ahayzen: time is the issue here. not likely as long as I'm occupied and nobody else works on u1db-qt :-/
[17:45] <ahayzen> kalikiana, ok no worries i was just wondering...as we have some issues in our sql so was trying to figure out if they were worth fixing or waiting for the move to u1db...but the former sounds like the preferred option now
[17:47] <gerlowskija> balloons: I see there was no luck on that re-trigger : (  I'll have to take another look after work today.
[17:47] <kalikiana> ahayzen: option 3: you could instead work on u1db :-P
[17:47] <balloons> gerlowskija, looks like it worked.. well I mean there's another error but it's straightforward
[17:47] <gerlowskija> Oh, I just saw the email that said "Needs Fixing"...I guess that's progress!
[17:47] <balloons> gerlowskija, that means there is an issue with the time tests are run. The error is about passing the wrong number of argyments :-)
[17:47] <balloons> gerlowskija, look at it :-) http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/1023/testReport/junit/calendar_app.tests.test_new_event/NewEventTestCase/test_delete_event_must_remove_it_from_day_view_with_mouse_/
[17:47] <balloons> simple fix
[17:47] <ahayzen> kalikiana, hehe i could try :) but my c++ skills needs improving...if i get time i'll definitely give it a go :)
[17:48] <kalikiana> that's the spirit
[17:48] <kalikiana> \o/
[17:48] <ahayzen> :)
[17:50] <dpm> rpadovani, could you perhaps also look at bug 1342249 when you've got a minute? Sorry to keep throwing bugs at you, I've started testing the app more heavily to ensure it works reliably before we start freezing things for RTM - if you're busy with other things, no worries and just let me know!
[17:51] <rpadovani> dpm, man, I (almost) finished my exams, more bugs I have, more I'm happy :-)
[17:51]  * dpm hugs rpadovani
[17:51]  * dpm opens the bugs flood gate :)
[17:54] <mzanetti> enjoy it while it lasts :D
[17:57] <nik90_> mzanetti: hey btw I started working on a new C++ class which uses QDbus to probe the alarm settings stored in the indicator-datetime package
[17:59] <mzanetti> nik90_: heh, have fun :D
[17:59] <nik90_> :)
[18:07] <balloons> gerlowskija, I left a comment
[18:12] <rpadovani> dpm, probably I understood the camera bug, but I need your help. The first time tonight you tried to do the photo, does it work? I suppose yes, but then the camera seems blocked and you weren't able to attach the photo to the note
[18:12] <rpadovani> rpadovani_, hey, who are you? :-)
[18:12] <rpadovani> dpm, then you have the error
[18:13] <rpadovani> seems my bnc splits
[18:13] <nik90_> good lord someone cloned rpadovani :P
[18:13] <nik90_> welcome rpadovani_
[18:14] <dpm> rpadovani, the first time it doesn't work, either, but I can try again
[18:16] <rpadovani_> dpm, try to delete the tempImage.jpg please
[18:16] <rpadovani> dpm, let my explain: when you shoot a photo, then there is a confirmation page. We used the toolbar to accept or remove a photo. So now if you take a photo, you can't accept it
[18:17] <rpadovani> dpm, then, the tempPhoto isn't delete, so you're not able to do another photo
[18:17] <rpadovani> and you have the error
[18:17] <rpadovani> I know how to fix it, but we need to remove all temp images from the folder of users, I have to think on how do this
[18:17] <rpadovani> dinner time, see you
[18:18] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ^^
[18:19] <mzanetti> rpadovani: enjoy your dinner :)
[18:31] <elopio> dpm: balloons: please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-test-cases/add-reminders/+merge/226281
[18:31] <elopio> we need a way to install the evernote python module.
[18:32] <balloons> ahh, the magical mp
[18:32] <fginther> elopio, that module isn't already part of the image?
[18:32] <fginther> I must have misunderstood that comment
[18:32] <elopio> fginther: no, it's in the apps ppa.
[18:33] <balloons> elopio, the sdk is inline now.. we shouldn't have non-archive depends
[18:34] <diogo_> guys need some help
[18:34] <fginther> balloons, oh, so this should not be an issue then?
[18:34] <diogo_> im getting a NaN in my project
[18:34] <elopio> so all my comments are outdated
[18:34] <elopio> sorry fginther
[18:34] <diogo_> and i need to solve it today so i can deliver it at school tomorrow
[18:34] <balloons> fginther, no I don't believe so.. it should work..
[18:34] <elopio> balloons: did the give us permission to do that? The license was a little weird.
[18:35] <balloons> elopio, ohh? perhaps we are speaking about different things
[18:35] <fginther> elopio, no worries. I'll fire up a test run on that MP
[18:35] <diogo_> rpda
[18:36] <elopio> balloons: I'm talking about this: https://github.com/evernote/evernote-sdk-python3/blob/master/LICENSE
[18:36] <balloons> elopio, hmm.. I guess we failed to address that
[18:36] <elopio> I'm not sure how that plays with the license of the rest of the reminders app
[18:37] <balloons> elopio, we have gpl3 and lgpl3 license, nothing more
[18:38] <elopio> balloons: we at least should include this license file.
[18:38] <balloons> elopio, certainly
[18:38] <elopio> and it says that the source code must retain the above copyright notice. But it comes without copyright header, so maybe add it ?
[18:38] <balloons> Copyright (c) 2007-2012 by Evernote Corporation, All rights reserved.
[18:38] <elopio> lawyers should burn in hell.
[18:39] <balloons> heh.. this too, actually has no license? https://github.com/evernote/evernote-sdk-python3/tree/master/lib/thrift
[18:39] <balloons> I would assume it's under the same.. but thrift is gpl, so...
[18:39] <elopio> balloons: that's a modified copy of python-thrift, which has apache license.
[18:40] <dpm> balloons, elopio, fginther, I've added a comment to https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-test-cases/add-reminders/+merge/226281
[18:40] <balloons> ohh, apache then.. the point is, they aren't doing it right either
[18:40] <elopio> balloons: the python modules are not part of the image, so probably there's no big chance for a legal problem. But I think it's better to consult with the legal team.
[18:41] <elopio> well, yeah, nobody does it right.
[18:41] <elopio> it's impossible to understand what a license means.
[18:41] <balloons> we'll simply add the license for both
[18:49] <balloons> fginther, so more importantly, does it run ok?
[18:52] <fginther> balloons, I'm flashing now and will give it a test very soon
[19:44] <Guest92339> Hello, can someone help in compiling an app for ubuntu touch ? it is Qt: http://sourceforge.net/projects/goldbug/files/goldbug-im_WIN_0.9.07/
[19:44] <balloons> Guest92339, compiling? what's it written in?
[19:45] <Guest92339> qt c++
[19:45] <balloons> Guest92339, if you haven't yet, check out developer.ubuntu.com
[19:45] <Guest92339> and there is a pro file for ubuntu or linux
[19:45] <balloons> if it's a qtcreator project, should be easy to make a click packag
[19:46] <Guest92339> yes it is
[19:46] <Guest92339> we just need one person who is familiar with the sdk, that is more effiient if somone is runnign it though the own enviroonment than others leanring your sdk
[19:47] <Guest92339> can you help to compile it for the touch ?
[19:49] <balloons> Guest92339, does it use qmake or cmake?
[19:49] <Guest92339> qmake
[19:50] <Guest92339> qmake -o bla.pro, written in the subapth /documentation compiling
[19:50] <Guest92339> or use qt crator and just choose the right pro for gui and for kernel
[19:52] <popey> Guest92339: you've had a reply in #ubuntu-touch, seems it's not suitable
[19:52] <Guest92339> you mean the QML comment?
[19:53] <Guest92339> no the widgets work as well for touch an mobile and they have been optimized
[19:53] <Guest92339> all processes can be reaced over rhe widgets
[19:53] <Guest92339> QML is not needed
[19:53] <Guest92339> it has been tested as well on a windows tablet or mobile device.
[20:06] <balloons> Guest92339, I would say give it a try. If you have a more specific question feel free to ask. Personally, it's not something I have a lot of knowledge on. I don't think I would be able to do it
[20:06] <balloons> that said, really the purpose is to use the ubuntu sdk components
[20:22] <popey> fginther: https://code.launchpad.net/~ajalkane/ubuntu-filemanager-app/content-hub-multiselection/+merge/220135 any idea why that didn't merge?
[20:54] <balloons> nik90_, ping
[20:56] <balloons> nik90_, Letozaf_ is having trouble launching clock; http://paste.ubuntu.com/7800313/. Any thoughts as to why?
[20:59] <nik90_> balloons: hmm strange
[20:59] <nik90_> Letozaf_: can you check if you have qtorganizer5-eds package installed?
[21:00] <Letozaf_> nik90_, yes it's installed
[21:01] <nik90_> Letozaf_: I suspect that the alarm storage could be broke
[21:01] <Letozaf_> nik90_, oh, can this be fixed ?
[21:02] <nik90_> Letozaf_: is it okay to clear the EDS database/
[21:02] <balloons> nik90_,  is that something she can clear somhow?
[21:02] <nik90_> balloons: yeah let me provide the location
[21:02] <balloons> nik90_, I was trying to have her clear the stuff in ~.local
[21:02] <balloons> nik90_, I'm wondering if the new app stores things different than the old app
[21:02] <nik90_> ~/.local/share/evolution/tasks/randomfoldername/tasks.ics file
[21:03] <nik90_> Letozaf_: ^
[21:03] <nik90_> balloons: the new and the old clock app uses the same api
[21:03] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok let me remove that...
[21:03] <nik90_> balloons: so it shouldn't be that, but I could be wrong
[21:03] <nik90_> Letozaf_: Do you always get this error while trying to launch the clock app or is it just a one time thing?
[21:04] <Letozaf_> nik90_, I always get the error, but yesterday everything was ok and I could launch the app and the tests
[21:05] <Letozaf_> nik90_, this started to happen this evening
[21:05] <nik90_> Letozaf_: hmm..Did you run the calendar app tests or anything different this evening?
[21:05] <Letozaf_> nik90_, rm: cannot remove ‘/home/letozaf/.local/share/evolution/tasks/randomfoldername/tasks.ics’: No such file or directory
[21:05] <nik90_> Letozaf_: you will need to check the folder name of randomfoldername
[21:06] <nik90_> Letozaf_: it varies on every computer
[21:06] <Letozaf_> nik90_, lol
[21:06] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok
[21:07] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok deleted, I had just copied and pasted :P
[21:07] <Letozaf_> nik90_, balloons still got the error
[21:07] <nik90_> Letozaf_: no worries, I should have emphasised that string
[21:08] <nik90_> Letozaf_: can you open the app normally without autopilot
[21:08] <Letozaf_> nik90_, as I can recall, this evening I just updated utopic and then when I tried to lauch the app the the error
[21:08] <nik90_> Letozaf_: using Qtcreator perhaps
[21:09] <Letozaf_> nik90_, let me try
[21:10] <nik90_> Letozaf_: I do my coding in a development 14.10 VM, so I should run into the same issue if it is related to the system updates.
[21:11] <Letozaf_> nik90_, from what you say I understand that I'm the only one with this problem :(
[21:12] <nik90_> Letozaf_: yes, but I am curious why that might be
[21:12] <Letozaf_> nik90_, I launched: autopilot launch -i Qt qmlscene ../../app/ubuntu-clock-app.qml   but got the same error
[21:12] <nik90_> Letozaf_: Do you have Qtcreator installed?
[21:12] <Letozaf_> nik90_, :( wish I could help but I do not recall doing anything else but updating
[21:12] <Letozaf_> nik90_, yes
[21:13] <nik90_> Letozaf_: can you open the CMakeList.txt file in qtcreator? It should load the entire project in it. Let's see if you can run it through that
[21:14] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok I think I never used qtcreator :P ... I will do it now
[21:14] <nik90_> Letozaf_: I will guide you through it
[21:15] <Letozaf_> nik90_, thanks .. I opened it
[21:15] <nik90_> Letozaf_: Press Ctrl+O when qtcreator opens, navigate to the clock app root folder and click the CMakelist.txt file. That should open the project.
[21:15] <nik90_> Letozaf_: ok. Press Ctrl+r to build and run the project
[21:15] <nik90_> Letozaf_: you should see the output at the bottom
[21:17] <Letozaf_> nik90_, after ctrl-o and openening Makelist.txt file I gete configure proget
[21:17] <nik90_> Letozaf_: ok there you don't need to change anything
[21:17] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok
[21:17] <nik90_> Letozaf_: just press Configure Project button
[21:17] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok fine
[21:18] <nik90_> Letozaf_: press the green button on the bottom left
[21:18] <nik90_> it should say Run in the tooltip
[21:18] <Letozaf_> nik90_, I had already done ctrl+r
[21:18] <nik90_> ah ok
[21:18] <nik90_> did that build and run?
[21:18] <Letozaf_> nik90_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7800398/
[21:19] <nik90_> renat__: can you help us figure out why we get this error while trying to open the clock app ^^
[21:20] <nik90_> renat__: I don't know why it says "Fail to connect with client Unable to connect to 'Tasks': No backend factory for hash key 'gtasks:VTODO' "
[21:20] <renat__> nik90_, eds is running?
[21:20] <nik90_> Letozaf_: can you check if EDS is running
[21:20] <renat__> nik90_, looks like eds is not running
[21:20] <nik90_> renat__: shouldn't it run automatically?
[21:20] <Letozaf_> nik90_, how do I do that ?
[21:20] <nik90_> renat__: I don't remember manually launching it anytime
[21:21] <renat__> nik90_, if you run the app in a proper use environment , yes
[21:21] <nik90_> Letozaf_: open system monitor and check if you have evolution-calendar-factory running?
[21:22] <Letozaf_> nik90_, yes I have
[21:22] <Letozaf_> nik90_, it says sleeping
[21:23] <nik90_> Letozaf_: thats fine
[21:23] <Letozaf_> nik90_, ok
[21:23] <nik90_> renat__: she says the process "evolution-calendar-factor" is running in the background (sleeping)
[21:23] <nik90_> Letozaf_: what about "evolution-source-registry"
[21:24] <Letozaf_> nik90_, it's there and sleeping too :)
[21:26] <Letozaf_> nik90_, I have to go now or tomorrow I won't be able to wake up :P (I get up at 6:25)... if it's not a problem I will be back tomorrow evening
[21:26] <nik90_> Letozaf_: oh yeah go ahead.
[21:26] <nik90_> Letozaf_: I will try to debug on my end
[21:26] <nik90_> Letozaf_: gud nite
[21:26] <Letozaf_> nik90_, thanks good night to you too :)
[21:26] <Letozaf_> nik90_, see you tomorrow
[21:27] <nik90_> Letozaf_: see you tomottow
[21:30] <nik90_> rpadovani: 3 bugs (ideas) regarding 100 balls coming your way :0
[21:31] <rpadovani> \o/
[21:36] <rpadovani> nik90_, all your ideas are great ideas :-)
[21:37] <rpadovani> nik90_, do you want to try to implement one?
[21:37] <rpadovani> thanks :-)
[21:37] <nik90_> rpadovani: :P
[21:37] <nik90_> I will see what I can do :D
[21:38] <rpadovani> nik90_, I have another type of game in mind: you have 7 glass, and whenever in a glass there aren't balls, you lost the glass :-)
[21:38] <nik90_> rpadovani: yeah that sounds good as well
[21:38] <nik90_> rpadovani: basically we need to sometimes force the user to do something to make it challenging
[21:39] <nik90_> rpadovani: I hit 542 points today
[21:39] <rpadovani> nik90_, congrats :-) I think the best until now is mhall119, he did > 1400 O.o
[21:45] <nik90_> rpadovani:  omg may be cheated :p
[21:56] <popey> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1342336 merge...
[21:57] <popey> rpadovani: WAT!
[21:57] <popey> I'm on 207
[21:57] <popey> I need to play more!
[22:00] <rpadovani> he's on 1557
[22:00] <rpadovani> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MichaelHall119/posts/WqsWJLQroRi
[22:00] <rpadovani> it's incredible
[22:01] <popey> hehe
[22:14] <mhall119> nik90_: no cheating, I got the timing down and took it slow
[22:14] <popey> rpadovani: you should add a metric for how long it took to get the score
[22:15] <mhall119> the trick is to learn where the bucket needs to be against the background grid when you tap the screen. Without that background grid, I would be lost
[22:16] <mhall119> once it got really fast, I was actually seeing where the previous bucket was when I tapped, because waiting for the target bucket wouldn't leave enough time
[22:16] <mhall119> rpadovani: I saw a green and red one, but didn't actually get any balls into those
[22:17] <rpadovani> awesome :-)
[22:17] <rpadovani> I'm working to have a better fall of the balls...
[22:17] <mhall119> it gets very stressful, btw, once things are moving so far :)
[22:19] <balloons> popey, ;-)
[22:21] <gerlowskija> balloons: Was it you that I asked about an error I'm seeing while trying to run autopilot tests for the calendar app: "ImportError: cannot import name pickers".
[22:22] <balloons> gerlowskija, I believe so. I found out from the sdk folks that indeed the runtime will not be backported, so you'll need utopic
[22:24] <gerlowskija> balloons: ok, synaptic is telling me that I have 0.1.46+14.10.20140520-0ubuntu1~0trusty2, which looks like the most recent version, but I'm still seeing the import error
[22:24] <gerlowskija> (I'm assuming it's the utopic package based on the 14.10 near the beginning..though it does have trusty towards the end of the version string)
[22:26] <balloons> gerlowskija, are you on trusty?
[22:27] <gerlowskija> yep
[22:27] <balloons> gerlowskija, yep, so you won't get anything newer
[22:27] <balloons> and the calendar app uses the 14.10 framework.. so you need a 14.10 install
[22:27] <balloons> or, you could just use the device to run the tests
[22:29] <gerlowskija> no wonder I wasn't getting anywhere with uninstalling/reinstalling packages.
[22:33] <balloons> gerlowskija, yea.. I had thought at the time the ppa would be updated, but no, it won't. The tools (qtcreator, etc) will, but not the framework
[22:33] <balloons> my apologies if I misled you at all
[22:35] <gerlowskija> balloons: No, in retrospect I should've realized; it was my fault.  If I can bug you for one last thing...is there a tutorial/instructions somewhere that cover how to put a build of an app on an emulator (and then run autopilot tests on it).  Not as familiar with the SDK as I would like to be : (
[22:37] <balloons> gerlowskija, there is
[22:37] <balloons> gerlowskija, http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/using-the-ubuntu-emulator/
[22:38] <balloons> if that is missing anything feel free to leave a pm about it.. happy to improve the docs :-)
[22:38]  * balloons ducks out for dinner!
[22:39] <gerlowskija> balloons: Thanks balloons!
[22:53] <rpadovani> How could I build translations for a pure qml project?


[00:00] <ailo> len-dt: I was just working on a script to build kernels. Going to set up VM's for both arches for development
[00:01] <ailo> len-dt: I'm on an install that uses noatime for mounting the hard drives
[00:01] <ailo> Not very smooth
[00:02] <ailo> The hard drive has been active for a long time, and more or less freezes the system
[00:06] <ailo> Periodically, that is
[00:11] <ailo> Ah, yeah. My RAM is filled up
[00:12] <ailo> tracker-miner-fs
[02:21] <len-dt> ailo, The bug about jack_control... the kxstudio version had it and fixed it. I don't know if they passed the fix upstream or not. Ask Falktx next time he's on.
[02:58] <ailo> len-dt: I've read about the bug. It's just a missing "(" from a python script
[02:58] <ailo> Someone just added a bug about it
[02:59] <ailo> And we should probably do a SRU with a patch for that
[03:42] <len-dt> ailo, I don't think the version of jack that shipped with 12.04 had that bug.
[03:43] <len-dt> I used jack_control frequently and in fact was the one who reported it to falktx when I found it in the kxstudio version of jackd I had.
[05:42] <len-1210> ailo, with regards to nautilus in 12.10, can you confirm something for me?
[05:42] <len-1210> Everything I tried that opens a file manager opens nautilus, even desktop icons for devices.
[05:45] <len-1210> It appears thunar when used as the desktop or whatever is making device icons on the desktop, uses the user selected file manager.
[05:46] <len-1210> There is a blueprint item to fix this... maybe it is fixed.
[05:47] <len-1210> I also filed a bug report for nautilus: Bug #1029767
[05:48] <len-1210> Is there a nautilus-doc package we need to install?
[05:50] <len-1210> Confirmed that jack still has stopping problems, does not have the patch kxstudio has, and that jack_control is now broken.
[06:02] <len-1210> ailo, I have an idea, Have a script run as the last thing on session start that looks for .mozilla and if it's no there, starts firefox with a local webpage introducing some of the features. This would create the .mozilla directory and the next session start would not have this feature.
[06:03] <len-1210> This could be the same as what the help button shows.
[06:04] <len-1210> good night.
[10:16] <ailo> len-dt: I also tested the kxstudio version, and got the same issue with that one
[10:16] <ailo> There's no patch
[10:17] <ailo> len-dt: About thunar. It should be a configuration thing. If not Gconf, then, whatever XFCE uses
[10:36] <ailo> len-dt: I had a go at trying to find the bug with the theme, and was able to change some colors. Unfortunately, it seems the change only comes after re-logging in
[10:36] <ailo> So, hunting down the right line can be a bit of work..
[10:59] <ailo> Usually, it would be when changing themes
[11:01] <ailo> Aha, knome is the man to ask about that
[11:02] <ailo> knome: Greybird seems to be in need of some maintenance. Is this inprogress?
[12:15] <ailo> len-dt: I just spoke with nedko about this. Had forgotten about a patch, which did not fix the issue though. http://lists.jackaudio.org/private.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org/2012-April/009417.html
[14:06] <len-dt> ailo, mhwaveedit plays with jackd so much nicer than audacity. It looks like the only downside is that audacity has some of it's own effects.
[14:08] <len-dt> I think the one most people like is the noise reduction effect. However mhwaveedit does use any of the plugin effects we ship.
[14:25] <ailo> audacity is the most popular open source multimedia app in the world, so just for that reason, it makes sense to keep it
[14:25] <ailo> It's actually one of the most popular open source projects
[14:26] <holstein> audacity is out right?
[14:26] <len-dt> Ya, I know. I am thinking mhwaveedit may be something to sugest for people who are having issues with audacity
[14:27] <holstein> i thought that was a bit odd, but i know how to install software from the repo
[14:27] <holstein> im trying to keep quiet on the list about all the "where did my software go" chatter
[14:27] <ailo> len-dt: I just tried mhwaveedit, but don't think it has much compared to audacity
[14:27] <len-dt> holstein, I've added a per/menu installer based on software center that shows just SW for that menu.
[14:28] <holstein> len-dt: i like that
[14:29] <ailo> Audacity is a full fledged audio editor, and while there are a couple of others that come pretty close, function wise, I don't see anything coming close when it comes to user experience
[14:29] <len-dt> I'me trying to make it so we can keep our DVD at a reasonable size while offering an easy way to get what people want for their system
[14:29] <len-dt> Maybe we need to bug the audacity devs about how jack support is done.
[14:30] <ailo> Audacity doesn't need jack support as other software does
[14:30] <len-dt> For some cases it seems to need it.
[14:31] <ailo> Since it's not a DAW
[14:31] <ailo> But, it does work quite well with jack, in my vierw
[14:31] <ailo> view
[14:31] <ailo> Just that it doesn't keep the audio engine running, while stopped
[14:31] <len-dt> We were talking to a user a while ago who uses channels 3&4 for input. Try that with pulse or jack
[14:32] <ailo> len-dt: If you remember, all he needed to do was create a conneciton profile
[14:32] <ailo> There are other jack compatible applications that do the same thing
[14:32] <len-dt> It didn't work in the end.
[14:32] <ailo> It did
[14:33] <len-dt> portaudio kept opening different named ports every time. So the first run worked great.
[14:33] <len-dt> the second record try failed.
[14:37] <ailo> You're right. It makes new outputs each time
[14:37] <len-dt> Anyway I was not suggesting to get rid of audacity, if for no other reason than everyone has seen it no matter what os they come from.
[14:38] <len-dt> I am thinking... use Audacity->pulse->jack. The connection from pulse to jack can be setup 1&2 to 3&4 quite easliy
[14:39] <ailo> That would work
[14:39] <ailo> Weird about the channel numbers.
[14:39] <len-dt> And a connection profile should do that. I/we need to find out more about pulse setup.
[14:39] <ailo> It is possible to create more jack sinks for PA
[14:39] <len-dt> Some cards have mic pres in C1&2 or use 1&2 for spdiff
[14:39] <ailo> vaev did that
[14:40] <ailo> But, wouldn't the easiest way be just to create a profile in qjackctl?
[14:40] <len-dt> Ack!, One is enough
[14:40] <len-dt> The only problem is that there seem to be a lot of things that make pulse redo its connections
[14:42] <len-dt> I found that I would do a disconect all to get all the pulse-jack stuff out of the way. But if I plug in a usb midi IF all the PA-jack stuff reconnects.
[14:42] <ailo> If you have an active jack profile, the connections will stay the same
[14:43] <len-dt> Good. So I can't manually change or add things?
[14:43] <ailo> Er, not sure..
[14:43] <ailo> Haven't used it much
[14:43] <ailo> Going to try vlc now
[14:45] <len-dt> Every time an application opens a PA port, PA changes my D66 patchbay settings.
[14:46] <len-dt> If I have the monitor mixer set up for monitoring PA switches it to dac straight out.
[14:47] <len-dt> PA also resets levels on the card.
[14:47] <ailo> Seems like the program autoconnects, if it set to do so. vlc can be set to not auto connect
[14:47] <ailo> So, if I have a profile, the profile connections will be set each time, but there will also be an auto connect to outputs 1-2
[14:48] <ailo> Would be good to have a toggle for autoconnect y/n for audacity as well
[14:49] <len-dt> Audacity when in Jack mode, should connect at session start and not dissconnect till the program closes.
[14:49] <ailo> If it was designed to do that, yes
[14:50] <len-dt> It should be. That is the proper way to work with jack
[14:50] <len-dt> It is not a bad way to work with pulse either. But it would not work so well with ALSA dirrect.
[14:51] <ailo> The problem seems to be that the jack part is just an adapter
[14:51] <ailo> Someone just needs to write the code
[14:51] <len-dt> As far as I can tell audacity uses portaudio for all it's output.
[14:52] <len-dt> I think it makes things easy for using the same code linux/win/osx
[14:53] <ailo> What shows up in jack, is of course not portaudio
[14:53] <len-dt> I don't know if audacity restarts portaudio every time the record button gets hit or not.
[14:53] <ailo> But, as said, the jack code is just an adapter for the inner engine
[14:55] <len-dt> Inmy pannel in jack it says portaudio
[14:55] <len-dt> In fact it does not say audacity at all
[14:56]  * len-dt should say in the qjackctl connection pannel
[14:56] <ailo> Well, last time I checked, only jack can connect to jack
[14:57] <ailo> There's jack code in Audacity, but it's very rudimentary
[14:57] <ailo> They don't work on it themselves, it seems
[14:57] <ailo> http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Linux_Issues#JACK
[14:58] <ailo> When you use alsa as a driver, it's not portaudio. The Audacity ports are called portaudio, and perhaps Audacity uses portaudio design for it's inner workings
[14:58] <ailo> But the connection with jack is jack code
[14:59] <ailo> I tried seeing if it was possible to run portaudio on Linux a while back.
[14:59] <ailo> Not out of the box, anyway
[15:01] <len-dt> That webpage about sums it up all right
[15:04] <len-dt> That was what I liked about mhwaveedit. As soon as the program starts, jack gets connected and stays that way.
[15:05] <len-dt> How hard is it to do it that way? I wish my coding was better, I might patch audacity
[15:06] <ailo> len-dt: You could look up some tutorials. There's a bit on jack homepage, and a guy on LAU was going to make some linux audio coding tutorials
[15:07] <len-dt> As soon as Jack is selected in pref. the jack port should open and stay that way. record or playback should just send receive audio when  it needs to. This would require something running all the time sending silence or receiving and throwing away input.
[15:08] <ailo> len-dt: https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAudioProgrammingTutorials
[15:08] <ailo> If I would guess, creating a true jack interface might be a bit of work
[15:09] <len-dt> Yes.
[15:09] <ailo> While adressing two other issues might be simpler: 1. don't create new output numbers each time Audacity output spawns 2. Add a toggle for auto connecting
[15:11] <len-dt> I think the workaround for those using non-standard ports is to use pa-jack with a profile
[15:11] <len-dt> any other use just use pulse.
[15:12] <len-dt> Audacity is very useful, in its place. It is not a good multi-tracker or over dubbing app.
[15:13] <len-dt> It is a great recorder though, and wav editor.
[15:14] <ailo> It is primarily an editor
[15:14] <ailo> A great tool for dealing with audio, not that great for creating music
[15:15] <ailo> The only situation where creating music makes sense is when you are not using tempo or harmony at all. Just audio
[15:16] <ailo> Recording is less important, but would be strange not to have that
[15:16] <ailo> Usually you work with prerecorded material, when editing
[15:31] <len-dt> Ya, that is why pulse or pa-jack would be fine.
[15:31] <ailo> That's my view as well
[15:32] <len-dt> I will include the other mhwaveedit as an installable if people want to install it after the fact.
[15:32] <ailo> Is the menu going to be full of "install-this" now?
[15:33] <ailo> Or is it a part of a search pattern for Software Center?
[15:33] <ailo> len-dt: ^
[15:33] <ailo> I mean, where you only have one "install-more"
[15:34] <len-dt> Each menu would have one (and only one) install more icon.
[15:34] <ailo> I installed two virtual vbox studios now, that share the home folder, so I can work on the same stuff from one desktop
[15:34] <ailo> len-dt: Sounds cool
[15:35] <ailo> Pretty practical with virtual systems really. Easy to back them up
[15:35] <ailo> Just save snapshots now and then
[15:35] <len-dt> It has been pushed to default-settings. Just needs to be rerolled
[15:36] <len-dt> I need to do some work on the seeds. photogrphy needs its own meta and DTP needs to be created.
[15:36] <ailo> I'll be contininuing with testing scripts
[15:38] <len-dt> Audacity... now that I have been running it for a bit... most of the menu bar seems to vanish at some point...
[15:38] <len-dt> I have half of the file button
[15:40] <len-dt> It doesn't seem to be a display problem, minimize and unminimize don't seem to help and I only have acces to the file menu
[15:45] <knome> ailo, did you try the github version?
[15:46] <ailo> knome: Nope. I did notice that Greybird was not the only affected theme. gtk3 issues on most of them
[15:46] <knome> ailo, try the github version. it should have most things fixed
[15:46] <ailo> knome: Ok
[15:46] <knome> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
[15:47] <ailo> Thanks
[15:49] <knome> np
[15:55] <len-dt> ailo, re vanishing audacity menubar. The audacity website says:
[15:55] <len-dt> (Linux) On Linux systems using wxGTK 2.8.12 without Unity, closing Preferences will lead to loss of the Audacity Menu Bar (only "Fi" from "Files" will be visible). On Ubuntu using the Unity shell, a small black square will appear, but the Audacity menu in the Global Menu is unaffected. Workaround: Resize (or maximize/unmaximize) the Audacity window after closing Preferences. Solution: This is a wxGTK bug, as reported here (http://trac.wxwidgets.or
[15:55] <len-dt> g/ticket/13280) and fixed in changeset 67929 (http://trac.wxwidgets.org/changeset/67929). To resolve this problem, wxGTK 2.8.12 needs to be patched on the target system, ideally by updating the distribution package. This fix will be included in wxGTK 2.8.13
[16:02] <len-dt> falktx, I am playing around with software center to set up installers in menus to add extra software. The SW center doc says I can include an apt-url. I would like to try including some of the apps on kxstudio
[16:02] <len-dt> Is there a url where I can see the dep files on my browser?
[16:03] <falktx> hm?
[16:03] <falktx> apt:/ stuiff?
[16:03] <len-dt> I think SW-C needs the complete url right down to the file name. probably the https:// one
[16:04] <len-dt> but apt:// might work too.
[16:04] <len-dt> And then I might run out of command line room real quick :-)
[16:08] <ailo> len-dt: Just make sure it's clear to the user, that it's a question about unofficial PPA packages, and that it has links to what that means
[16:09] <ailo> Would be cool if PPA could be added from SW
[16:09] <ailo> Or just single packages
[16:09] <ailo> Software Center, not SW
[16:10] <ailo> It should probably be possible to create a package for adding PPA
[16:10] <ailo> And upload it to the Ubuntu repo
[16:11] <ailo> But, again. It's important that the user knows it's not official
[16:16] <ailo> len-dt: If you go to a PPA page on launchpad, you can always download packages inpedently from there.
[16:17] <ailo> Works fine, if you don't require dependencies
[16:17] <ailo> In that case, adding a PPA would be the best
[16:17] <ailo> I don't think a KXstudio PPA is the optimal, or not sure
[16:17] <ailo> Would be better to have at least two different ones
[16:17] <ailo> One for adding software we don't have, and one for updates
[18:44] <len-dt> ailo, I see what you mean. The chances of not needing deps is pretty small.
[18:45] <len-dt> It is best to include the name of the packages (which just don't show if the PPA is not active) and have another way of adding/removing ppas
[18:46] <len-dt> I think it would need to be ubuntustudio specific. Something in a script would be best, or better than new software.
[19:35] <micahg> no including PPAs in the default install :)
[19:35] <micahg> if something needs to be fixed, let's fix it
[19:36]  * micahg would love to see the KXstudio people pushing fixes into the archive
[19:36] <micahg> or even better to Debian
[20:22] <ailo> micahg: I think we're just fooling around with ideas so far, but there has been an idea of keeping official Ubuntu Studio PPA's as addable extras
[20:23] <ailo> There are some software that aren't included in the main repo
[20:23] <ailo> Don't know the specifics of licenses, etc. How that would work
[20:29] <ailo> Still, it's fun just to see what different solutions you can come up with. Adding a PPA from the menu might seem a bit drastic. But, how is it, if you would create a package specifically for it, that would show up in Software Center
[20:29] <ailo> There are PPA's and PPA's after all
[20:33] <micahg> ailo: I'd suggest pushing them to Debian and leveraging backports, more users will benefit
[20:33] <ailo> micahg: We can't push things like linux-sampler
[20:33] <micahg> why not?
[20:33] <ailo> gpl, with an addition..
[20:34] <micahg> is it redistributable?
[20:34] <ailo> I don't remember the specifics, but I'm sure it would have been pushed a long time ago, if it was possible.
[20:35] <ailo> All it's tools are redistritable, but not the linux-sampler server itself, at least not without some conditions
[20:35] <ailo> I think mostly they are trying to avoid companies adding it to hardware samplers
[20:36] <micahg> so, it would go in non-free then
[20:36] <ailo> There's also cinerella
[20:36] <ailo> Same sort of dilemma
[20:37] <micahg> debian 561443, free for the taking
[20:38] <micahg> I'd suggest joining Debian multimedia and preparing packages
[20:38] <ailo> I guess so..
[20:38] <ailo> I'm going that path
[20:41] <micahg> this way every derivative of Debian can have access to these packages as opposed to those who happen upon a PPA
[20:42] <ailo> Yes, of course. I've read about linux-sampler in the past, and something about why it had not been packaged yet
[20:43] <ailo> But, doesn't hurt putting some focus on the issue
[20:54] <micahg> Len-nb: need a meta upload?
[20:54] <micahg> or do you have more changes you're making (the photography seed looks good)
[21:01] <Len-nb> micahg, I was going to see how that went, but if you like I can do the publishing meta first
[21:01] <micahg> Len-nb: whatever you like
[21:02] <micahg> each new binary requires a NEW  queue review
[21:02] <Len-nb> If I do this first, then there will be another quite soon
[21:02] <micahg> right, so, when you're ready, let's just upload it all so it only needs 1 review
[21:02] <Len-nb> new binary added to the seeds?
[21:02] <micahg> yeah
[21:03] <micahg> it'll show up in binary NEW after upload and it's built
[21:03] <Len-nb> I haven't added any new binary so far, just finished what was supposed to be done last cycle
[21:03] <micahg> ubuntustudio-photography will be a new binary
[21:03] <Len-nb> OK, I will add publishing first then
[21:04] <Len-nb> Then there will be two
[21:04] <micahg> hrm, I just found a bug in the packaging as well :-/
[21:06] <Len-nb> mine or old?
[21:06] <micahg> old
[21:07] <Len-nb> anything I should fix? (or would know how?)
[21:08] <micahg> no, it should be fixed on the next upload
[21:08] <micahg> it's not in the seed, but in the -meta packaging, one of the substitution variables is wrong
[21:10] <Len-nb> ok, should I still add publishing now then?
[21:11] <micahg> at your leisure, I should probably review the whole thing in depth before I upload which won't happen before Monday
[21:11] <Len-nb> Ok thanks
[21:13] <Len-nb> micahg, in case you haven't noticed ubuntustudio-default-settings is changed too. (again) I think I'm finished for now on that.
[21:15] <micahg> nope, haven't noticed, can try to look at it Mon or Tue
[21:15] <micahg> I'm only subscribed to the seeds
[21:15] <Len-nb> whenever.
[22:07] <Len-nb> micahg, that should be it.
[22:07] <micahg> ok
[22:07]  * Len-nb means for the seeds
[22:34] <len-dt> ailo, do you still have a machine running quantal? If so, could you check if after making a new directory on the desktop, if you double click on it if it gets opened by nautilus?
[22:35] <len-dt> I think that is the only thunar to nautilus thing I haven't checked.
[22:35]  * len-dt is off for family time.


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[06:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3733 ubuntu/ (internet/C/internet.xml programming/C/programming.xml): Dean's patches
[08:13] <poningru> quick question
[08:13] <poningru> the help options during install seems to have changed a lot
[08:14] <poningru> as in the options from f1 do not seem to work
[08:14] <mdke> "during install"?
[08:14] <poningru> yeah the splash screen comes up
[08:15] <poningru> and there is a f1 help option
[08:15] <mdke> ah. Don't know anything about that
[08:15] <poningru> hmm do you know who I can bug about that?
[08:15] <poningru> that needs to be updated not sure if thats -doc realm or some other fiefdom
[08:16] <mdke> filing a bug is generally the usual way
[08:16] <poningru> kk
[08:16] <poningru> thanks
[08:16] <poningru> against usplash? or ...?
[08:16] <poningru> which package?
[08:16] <mdke> you mean the options on boot, right? not usplash
[08:17] <poningru> yeah
[08:17] <poningru> I'll look through the packages try to find the right one
[08:17] <mdke> not sure what package
[08:18] <poningru> yeah thanks though for the help
[08:18] <poningru> :)
[08:18] <mdke> you can ask cjwatson or Mithrandir about that
[08:22] <poningru> hmm will do if I fail to find the package
[08:31] <crimsun> it's not usplash
[08:31] <crimsun> did you press F6 first?
[08:36] <poningru> crimsun: hmm?
[08:37] <poningru> what do you mean?
[08:37] <poningru> before pressing f1? or before inputting the boot options?
[08:37] <poningru> obviously on the latter and not sure on the former
[08:50] <crimsun> poningru: yes, before pressing F1
[08:54] <poningru> hmm let me see
[08:55] <poningru> nope same
[09:01] <crimsun> where are you having problems entering boot params?
[09:02] <poningru> crimsun: are you in -devel?
[09:02] <poningru> see for example I dont want edgy to probe for usb
[09:02] <poningru> in the f1 help menu it says just do 'live debian-installer/probe/usb=false'
[09:02] <poningru> but ofcourse that does not work
[09:03] <poningru> throwing errors like root= not specified etc.
[09:03] <poningru> so I tried just debian-installer/probe/usb=false appended on to the end after all the other params
[09:03] <poningru> nope still no go
[09:05] <poningru> and I tried nousb and for whatever reason that does not work
[09:13] <crimsun> yes, that would appear to be a bug
[09:13] <crimsun> sorry, I'm in office hours right now, so I can't respond immediately
[09:15] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3734 /trunk/ (debian/rules ubuntu/index.xml): fixing build error; minor tweaks to index.xml
[09:58] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3735 debian/rules: another fix, grumph
[11:34] <mdke> crimsun: you know if flashplugin-nonfree is broken in Dapper? it won't download the plugin for me
[11:35] <mdke> crimsun: firefox seems to have downloaded it ok though
[11:35] <crimsun> mdke: I suspect all versions prior to 9 final are awry
[11:36] <crimsun> for those, I suppose you can hope for the new backport of feisty's f-n
[11:36] <mdke> crimsun: hmm. Dapper has ii  flashplugin-no <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer
[11:37] <crimsun> mdke: there's very little benefit for us to troubleshoot that one; there are known vulnerabilities, and upstream doesn't support it.
[11:38] <mdke> crimsun: *shrug*, I won't stay with dapper for long, but I know it's supposed to be supported for 3 years
[11:39] <crimsun> mdke: I can't even download 7.0.6x from Adobe.
[11:40] <mdke> crimsun: grr. doing a backport to -updates is out of the question I suppose?
[11:40] <crimsun> I could look into a version for -updates that spits out a message regarding the version in backports, I suppose.
[11:48] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3736 ubuntu/ (8 files in 8 dirs): correcting addresses
[11:52] <mdke> hiya jono
[11:53] <jono> hey :)
[11:57] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3737 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): making a link for the server material in advanced-topics; minor tweak to title of printing.xml
[12:05] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3738 ubuntu/ (Makefile index.xml): minor tweaks to include advanced-topics in preview website