[13:23] <twiztid> theadmin: fair enough... thank you very much for your input! take care all
[13:23] <Grimdin> ok, thx
[13:23] <patdk-wk> if I remember right, karmic came out at 2pm my time, so about 30hours from now
[13:23] <Pici> !isitout
[13:23] <theadmin> what the.
[13:23] <theadmin> It set update manager to that only LTS mode o_O
[13:24] <rww> theadmin: what did?
[13:24] <theadmin> rww: I think it was the update and I just didn't notice it
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> I wonder if it has any effect keep telling ppl to zsync a daily and then upgrade tom final release :|
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> if anyone wants it, here is my cheat code  $ pastebinit zsyncu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/423842/
[13:26] <theadmin> BUGabundo_remote: What's the point, get the RC and keep up-to-date
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> BUGabundo_remote:  then what to do tomorrow? :) we all want to seed it 1000 times!
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: you can still seed it!
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> just point the torrent to the file and let it re-hash it
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> will my isp complain at me using torrents in a LEGAL way. :)
[13:27] <overmacht> Dr_Willis; nice
[13:27] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: heh :D I use torrents now and then both legally and illegally, nobody complains so far
[13:27]  * Dr_Willis reports theadmin  to the ASPCA :)
[13:27]  * patdk-wk reports to his wife
[13:27]  * theadmin wonders what on earth that even is
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> its freedom of speace! that makes it ok.
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> 'ubuntu is free as in speech' :)
[13:28]  * theadmin likes "Free as in freedom" better
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> 'free as in sex'  :P
[13:28] <theadmin> o_O
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> but then i would never.. err... never mind.. :)
[13:29] <overmacht> nice
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> Place bets on the top 10 questions after its relased for tomorrow.. :)
[13:29] <fromspace> so if i install the RC now will it get updated to the final version?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> #1  = how to move the buttons back to the left.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> fromspace: 's question is ging to be FAQ #2 i bet.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> fromspace:  yes. you will
[13:30] <theadmin> fromspace: yeah
[13:30] <fromspace> ok thx
[13:30] <rww> factoids for both of these :)
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Yep. better get them ready
[13:30] <RayJohns> is there a new release coming out tomorrow?
[13:30] <rww> i forget #2;s, but #1 is !controls
[13:30] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: And what's the point in moving buttons back to the left o_O
[13:30] <theadmin> ubottu: controls | Let's check...
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  i am on the netbook edition here.  the X is n the middle :)
[13:31] <rww> !search up-to-date
[13:31] <rww> !already
[13:31] <rww> lolwat
[13:31] <theadmin> ...o_O
[13:31] <theadmin> rofl
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> the factoids need updating
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> !search RC
[13:32] <yofel> !final
[13:32] <rww> there we go
[13:32] <An_Ony_Moose> how can I reinstall grub from a live CD?
[13:32] <rww> !no, already is <alias> final
[13:33] <tsimpson> !already
[13:33] <rww> ty
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> !grub2 | An_Ony_Moose
[13:34] <theadmin> What's the difference between update and dist-upgrade anyway :/
[13:34] <rww> !dist-upgrade
[13:34] <An_Ony_Moose> theadmin, update updates the package archive
[13:34] <theadmin> rww: I see
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Ones more hardcore :)
[13:34] <theadmin> An_Ony_Moose: err, upgrade
[13:34] <RayJohns> do any of you guys have experience with compiling in modules to the kernel ?
[13:34] <Italian_Plumber> update looks for updates and upgrade does them
[13:34] <RayJohns> for the boot image?
[13:35] <gartral> how do i reload my PATH without relogging after editing .bashrc?
[13:35] <yofel> RayJohns: add those that you need to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run 'sudo update-initramfs -u'
[13:35] <theadmin> gartral: .bashrc requires just a terminal restart. You may, however, also issue "source .bashrc"
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  source .bashrc      is one way
[13:35] <Dr_Willis>  . = alias to 'source'   ->   . .bashrc
[13:36] <yofel> RayJohns: compiling in modules would require a image rebuild
[13:36] <gartral> bash: /home/gareth/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[13:36] <gartral> odddd
[13:36] <RayJohns> yofel.. is there a config file where you sell it what suppor to include in the kernel?
[13:36] <Dr_Willis>  sounds like you got some typos or did somthing wrong gartral
[13:36] <RayJohns> I have only ever done this on freebsd
[13:37] <gartral> $PATH = "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3"
[13:37] <RayJohns> is there an image floating around with all the modules in it that i can just copy to the boot drive?
[13:37] <theadmin> gartral: what the... that's not how you set PATH
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  if you want to SET a variable you dont use $BAR
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> BAR = '100'
[13:37] <theadmin> gartal: export PATH = "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3"
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> not $BAR = '100'
[13:38] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: don't forget export in this case too
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> export is needed if you want the child processes..
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> so its not required.. but often used.
[13:38] <jrib> you also don't use spaces around the =
[13:38] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Well, for instance for setting PS1 only export works
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm
[13:38] <yofel> RayJohns: no, most of the ubuntu kernel is built in modules, add them to the initrd image if you need them before the filesystem is up, what is built in and what as modules is controlled by the kernel package configuration at build time
[13:39] <gartral> Dr_Willis: bash: export: `/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3': not a valid identifier
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  PS1='prompt -->' works
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  whats the exact line you are using to set the path?
[13:39] <dreamon> After Update to Lucid Firefox freezes system for about 15seconds. -> xsession-errors shows -> Firefox.PlacesItemSource "Firefox Places" encountered an error in UpdateItems: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[13:39] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: How about something like "[\t] \[\033[1;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;32m\]\w\[\033[0m\]$"? That ain't gonna work like that
[13:39] <RayJohns> I'm using the ISO CD for 10.04-RC - it goes through the install when I boot from the CD.  is there some way to stop the auto install thing and go through an install where I can select support for that controller?
[13:40] <gartral> Dr_Willis: export PATH = "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3"
[13:40] <OzFalcon> After adding an entry in fstab, I can't boot at ALL. (Server edition)
[13:40] <ceu> high availability on 2 ubuntu servers. Any advice? (pacemaker+heartbeat, pacemaker+corosync, ... ?)
[13:40] <gartral> Dr_Willis: thats how theadmin has it
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm  this works -------->      PS1="[\t] \[\033[1;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;32m\]\w\[\033[0m\]$"
[13:40] <rww> theadmin: export PS1="that"
[13:40] <jrib> RayJohns: you can select "try ubuntu" and then you'll have a shell to do whatever you want.  Is that enough?
[13:40] <rww> theadmin: is what I do, anyway
[13:41] <jrib> OzFalcon: remove the entry?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> You Do want a export in your .bashrc of course.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> but for testng - you dont need one in the 'current shell'
[13:41] <RayJohns> jrib: what do I use to produce a new boot image?
[13:41] <OzFalcon> jrib, I can't even boot to a command line!
[13:41] <gartral> Dr_Willis: are you talking too me?
[13:41] <jrib> OzFalcon: use a live cd
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  no spaces around the  = for starters
[13:41] <jrib> RayJohns: I'm not sure what you are trying to do
[13:41] <theadmin> rww: Yeah I know
[13:42] <RayJohns> jrib - that makes two of us :-)  I'm trying to include support for an sata silicon image 3114 controller at boot time
[13:42] <OzFalcon> jrib, I did get it to boot. But Im not sure it's sane.
[13:42] <RayJohns> jrib - I think it's the sata_sil module
[13:42] <jrib> OzFalcon: how? why?
[13:42] <RayJohns> jrib - which maybe isn't native to the boot image that the installer installs ?
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> gartral: NDK?? really ?
[13:43] <RayJohns> just trying to figure out where to add that into the kernel and how to produce a new boot image
[13:43] <RayJohns> with support for my sata controller
[13:43] <OzFalcon> jrib, It was hung. So I hit alt-sysreq-scroll.lock and got some sysreq help.
[13:43] <RayJohns> I think that's the problem ubuntu is having
[13:43] <yofel> RayJohns: you can't, but add the module to the initramfs, then it will be available at boot time too
[13:43] <siriusnova> How do I Absolutely PURGE Pulse Audio from my system
[13:43] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Mine gives something similar to this here. If i don't use export I end up having that string instead. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2012912/Screenshot.png
[13:43] <siriusnova> its such a buggy piece of crap
[13:43] <siriusnova> its rediculous
[13:44] <RayJohns> so I can't compile it in.. but i can have it recognized from a module at boot time
[13:44] <jrib> OzFalcon: what is your question now?
[13:44] <RayJohns> doesn't the loader have to be able to find the boot image first?
[13:44] <OzFalcon> jrib, I then hit alt-sysreq-I (Or something) to kill processes.
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: do you have any specific problem with it? what's the bug id for iot ?
[13:44] <yofel> RayJohns: the only way to compile it in would be to build your own kernel, but that's not exactly supported in ubuntu
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: in X/K/Ubuntu we work with Pulse, and lots of apps depend on it
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> purging it is not recommened
[13:45] <OzFalcon> jrib, Is alt-sysreq ever used? or did I just stumble on to some obscure part of the kernel?
[13:45] <yofel> RayJohns: well, if the loader can't fine the kernel image then compiling the module in won't help too
[13:45] <siriusnova> BUGabundo_remote, - every app I use that needs sound has issues with it, dosbox skips, games in wine skip, vmware has issues with it, even zsnes doesnt work well with it and I hear screetches and blips
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> OzFalcon:  thats a 'feature'
[13:45] <An_Ony_Moose> I want to reinstall GRUB from a live CD of the 10.04 RC (yes, out of date). I've tried both reinstalling and reconfiguring grub-pc and using grub-install, but it gives me an error - it can't find a device for /boot/grub
[13:45] <janmalte> BUGabundo_remote: nearly none kde app is depended on pulse
[13:46] <RayJohns> yofel - agreed
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> OzFalcon:  thers numerous alt-sysreq-KEYS that dodifferent things
[13:46] <yofel> RayJohns: and the initrd is available at the same time as the kernel image, so not much difference there
[13:46] <theadmin> I think KDE uses ALSA
[13:46] <janmalte> after having much trouble with pulse i also removed it from my kubuntu siriusnova
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> theadmin: phone
[13:46] <jrib> RayJohns: I don't really know enough raid to tell you how to do that, or more importantly, if there isn't a better way.  Did you take a look through the raid docs on the wiki?
[13:46] <RayJohns> yofel - that's why I wanted to compile in support for the Sata controller and produce a new boot image
[13:46] <siriusnova> janmalta - how did you do it?
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: please check for open bugs, and file new ones
[13:46] <OzFalcon> Dr_Willis, yes.  "ALSA Linux Sound A..."... What's the final A for
[13:47] <RayJohns> jrib - no, not yet.  But I'll check around some more.  I'm thinking maybe I will throw an IDE drive too boot from
[13:47] <siriusnova> BUGabundo_remote, - I even am running the newest alsa straight from source
[13:47] <BUGabundo_remote> janmalte: siriusnova: don't expect support if you do
[13:47] <siriusnova> i compiled it muself
[13:47] <yofel> RayJohns: yes, but you can't build the module in in the ubuntu way, if you need the module before the harddrive is mounted add it to the init ramdrive
[13:47] <jrib> theadmin: architecture
[13:47] <theadmin> jrib: Oh thanks
[13:47] <jrib> !raid > RayJohns
[13:47] <siriusnova> and pulse audio still manages to screw it all up
[13:47] <siriusnova> :/
[13:47] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: from source, may require quirks to kernel, which you don't have
[13:47] <OzFalcon> oh dear.
[13:47] <RayJohns> got it, thanks
[13:47] <jrib> RayJohns: you might also try the alternate cd, it usually has support for more stuff
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> please file a bug, and ping crimsun on it. you can idle in #ubuntu-audio-help
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: ^^^^^
[13:48] <RayJohns> jrib - okay.. good idea
[13:48] <theadmin> ubottu: raid > theadmin
[13:48] <janmalte> http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/remember-remove-pulseaudio-if-using-kubuntu-karmic
[13:48] <RayJohns> yofel - you are saying mount a ram drive at boot time?  Then load the module into that or something?  And then boot the sata drive?
[13:48] <janmalte> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578
[13:49] <janmalte> Quote: Note 4: Kubuntu users: Don't follow this guide - PulseAudio isn't used in your distribution.
[13:49] <OzFalcon> Let me get this straight. I can crash any linux system by switching to a tty screen, and hitting alt-sysreq-C (C for crash!)
[13:49] <theadmin> OzFalcon: yeah, why
[13:49] <alvin> I have to try that
[13:49] <OzFalcon> go on
[13:50] <OzFalcon> Im not game to on my workstation.
[13:50] <jrib> RayJohns: I assumed you are using raid and that was the issue, if not ignore the !raid stuff of course
[13:50] <rww> I note sysrq stuff is disable-able
[13:50] <yofel> RayJohns: as the ubuntu kernel is as modular as it is it uses a ramdriver by default, you can add your onw modules to be included in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then rebuild the initrd with 'sudo update-initramfs -u' - but I'm not sure how to do that from the installer
[13:50] <RayJohns> it's actually not configured as a riad
[13:50] <RayJohns> raid
[13:50] <Italian_Plumber> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[13:50] <RayJohns> it's just an sata controller on the motherboard
[13:51] <RayJohns> I'm just using it for faster throughput vs. IDE
[13:51] <jrib> RayJohns: what's going wrong exactly?  The drives don't show up at all on the live cd?
[13:51] <OzFalcon> so is it enabled in ubuntu desktop?
[13:52] <OzFalcon> by defualt
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> OzFalcon:  most are i beliuve.
[13:52] <RayJohns> jrib - I'm not 100% sure.. .if i boot into the "try it mode" it looks like it's mounted on the desktop
[13:52] <jrib> OzFalcon: yes
[13:52] <jrib> RayJohns: and the issue is that when you try to install, they don't show up there?
[13:52] <RayJohns> but when i try to boot from that drive, then it hoses and end up in the terminal window saying it can't find its boot image
[13:52] <alvin> WHoa. Where is that good for
[13:53] <jrib> RayJohns: okay, so you were able to install fine?
[13:53] <OzFalcon> hmmmm, cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq shows "1"
[13:53] <RayJohns> jrib - the install goes fine... it sees the partition no problem and installs to it
[13:53] <RayJohns> jrib: yes.. install is fine
[13:53] <jrib> RayJohns: do you remember the exact error you get when you try to boot?
[13:53] <RayJohns> jrib: when it goes to release the drives after the install.. then I get an i/o error
[13:53] <RayJohns> something about a process (starting with a c) can't release the drive or something
[13:53] <alvin> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace was disabled because people pressed it by accident (imagine that!). Does noone press alt-sysreq-C by accident?
[13:54] <RayJohns> and then a bunch of i/o errors
[13:54] <jrib> RayJohns: I see
[13:54] <jrib> RayJohns: on the live cd can you chroot ok into the install?
[13:54] <patdk-wk> doesn't alt-sysreq-c require kexec to be installed?
[13:54] <OzFalcon> alvin, Yeah. pretty un sane
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  i have to say ive never hit alt-sysreq-ANYTHING by accident
[13:54] <RayJohns> not sure what that means.. but I can try it later
[13:54] <RayJohns> what does chroot do?
[13:54] <RayJohns> check the root file system?
[13:54] <RayJohns> like fsck ?
[13:55] <alvin> Dr_Willis: neither have I ever hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by accident, but apparently a lot of people do
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> changes root filesystem
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  emac users can do that a lot from what i hear.
[13:55] <jrib> RayJohns: basically you'll be "inside" the install
[13:55] <alvin> That could explain it
[13:55] <RayJohns> ok
[13:55] <jrib> RayJohns: but if you say the install didn't finish successfully, that's what I would work on
[13:56] <RayJohns> when I boot the first time (after the install)... I end up in a file system in the terminal window.. but there is no /boot part
[13:56] <ttyX> is there any way to change the crazy button placing in the new lucid themes?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> !controlls
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> !controls
[13:56] <jrib> RayJohns: does it say anything in the prompt?
[13:56] <RayJohns> i can't remember... but i can issue limited commands
[13:57] <RayJohns> I can see the file that points to the boot image it wants to load in /boot
[13:57] <RayJohns> but there is no /boot in the file system
[13:57] <RayJohns> just /etc and stuff like that
[13:57] <jrib> RayJohns: you probably need to reinstall grub assuming that's the only thing that failed
[13:58] <RayJohns> grub is the loader for ubuntu ?
[13:58] <ttyX> thanks Dr_Willis
[13:58] <dennis> anyone have any idea when the flashplayer will be fixed in lucid ?
[13:58] <OzFalcon> anyone get  hang on boot if drive in fstab is not available?
[13:58] <RayJohns> like lilo right
[13:58] <jrib> !grub2 | RayJohns
[13:58] <RayJohns> ?
[13:58] <ttyX> that worked like a charm :)
[13:58] <RayJohns> k
[13:58] <jrib> OzFalcon: if you don't have an fstab, things will probably fail, yes...
[13:59] <underdev> dennis: what problem are you having?
[13:59] <underdev> i occasionally get gui weirdness, but use pandora/lala all the time
[13:59] <OzFalcon> jrib, I have an fstab. But the external drive entry makes the system hang (unrecoverable) on boot.
[14:00] <alvin> Isn't grub2 still in beta?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  not really.
[14:00] <jrib> OzFalcon: because you don't have the drive connected I assume?
[14:00] <red2kic> alvin: Gmail was in beta stage for long long time.
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> Google's definition of 'beta' is not normal :)
[14:00] <ttyX> grub2 is more like wip
[14:00] <alvin> Yes, but gmail wasn't commercially supported at that time
[14:01] <OzFalcon> jrib, yes.
[14:01] <jrib> OzFalcon: why do you want an fstab entry for it?
[14:01] <OzFalcon> jrib, Can only hit reset. To automount it.
[14:01] <RayJohns> ok guys... thanks for the help.  jrib, thanks!
[14:01] <RayJohns> I'll fiddle around with it later
[14:01] <RayJohns> and see if I have any luck
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. neat little thing i just saw on a blog ---> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/ubuntuforumsorg-start-page-extension.html
[14:03] <alvin> I see on their site that the developers of grub2 consider it beta. Canonical's credo should be: "To boldly support what nobody supported before"
[14:03] <abhijain> plz provide me best ubuntu 10.4 download link
[14:03] <abhijain> i m new user
[14:03] <RayJohns> I'll leave you guys with a funny video :-)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s3OVZJY2I0  ttyl
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> !daily | abhijain
[14:03] <abhijain> and confused with beta alpha
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> abhijain:  install, update/upgrade.. You are using the latest...
[14:04] <jrib> OzFalcon: pastebin your fstab
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> nothing tobe confused about at all
[14:04] <abhijain> no i m on fedora at this time
[14:04] <Pici> abhijain: If you are a new user you shouldnt be using the RC, but rather waiting for the final release.
[14:04] <underdev> Dr_Willis: do they do that throughout a release?  So that you can just download a version with all the updates already updated?
[14:05] <underdev> Dr_Willis: the dailies, i mean
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> underdev:  thats how the package manager system basically works.. its a main feature of the system
[14:05] <abhijain> Pici: final release when?
[14:05] <Pici> abhijain: tomorrow.
[14:05] <Gh0stryd3r> good morning, how do you set the GAL server settings for IMAP in evolution for 10.04
[14:05] <theadmin> gr. This thing freezed on me
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> dailies are automatically made i belive. if you are downloading the ISO now. may as well get a daily instead of a RC>
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> actually the RC and daily might be the same.
[14:05] <alvin> underdev: only for the beta releases. Other (stable) releases do get bugfixes, but Ubuntu is not a 'rolling' distribution
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> I imagine this will be last day for any Dailies :)
[14:06] <OzFalcon> jrib, no point. it's an issue with 10.4
[14:06] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Why? When Maverick will start rolling there will be dailies again
[14:06] <underdev> alvin: okay. Dr_Willis ty.  I was excited there for a minute :)
[14:06] <jrib> OzFalcon: then why are you asking for support?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  yes.. but that will be some time away
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> 'for now'
[14:06] <OzFalcon> jrib, posting fstab wont help.
[14:06] <abhijain> and from which linnk we can download
[14:07] <jrib> OzFalcon: ok I guess...
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ Pick the iso you want
[14:09] <OzFalcon> jrib, The fstab entry is stock standard. uses Label= to locate the drive.
[14:09] <irv> also, what time tomorrow do you figure it will be released?
[14:09] <irv> :D
[14:09] <theadmin> irv: Speaking in crontab style, "* * *"
[14:09] <jrib> irv: "when it's ready" is the usual response
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> irv:  at noon.. some where.. in the world . it wil be noon when its released...
[14:09] <irv> :]
[14:09] <Pici> theadmin: every minute?
[14:10] <red2kic> irv: Download it now to curb the hammertime latency?
[14:10] <theadmin> Pici: um... lol
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> Im allready updated and upgraded.. Im good for a week. :)
[14:10] <coz_>  buona giornata tutti.. bonne jounree tous les... good day all
[14:11] <OzFalcon> jrib, here it is: "LABEL=WAD /mnt/WAD ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2"
[14:12] <linards> hello again
[14:13] <dennis> anyone her know when bug with the flashplugin-nonfree (532542) will be solved
[14:13] <jrib> bug 532542
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. It worked here.. i thoght
[14:13] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Works here too :/
[14:14] <jrib> dennis: as a workaround just drop the libflashplayer.so into your ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[14:14] <dennis> i segfaults here when i try and install the darn thing.
[14:14] <theadmin> o_O
[14:15] <jrib> OzFalcon: I thought that even if a particular mount failed you would still be able to boot.  You're saying this used to be the case but now in lucid you have to do a hard reboot, right?
[14:15] <dennis> it tells me that the installer package is not working and tries to solve the problem every apt command i give
[14:15] <OzFalcon> jrib, YES!
[14:15] <underdev> i'm using flash on lucid x64
[14:15] <OzFalcon> jrib, Exactly.
[14:15] <dennis> really ?
[14:15] <dennis> is it fixed then ?
[14:15] <underdev> have you upgraded?
[14:15] <theadmin> I dunno, flash works here
[14:16] <dennis> i was using the newest daily as well as rc1
[14:16] <theadmin> x32/i386 architecture, though
[14:16] <dennis> with all updates
[14:16] <underdev> hmmm
[14:17] <dennis> i type sudo  apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree as i should and it failed
[14:17] <linards> hm. Anybody has some suggestion for No sound in Lucid Lync bug jet? If I will not be able to resolve it, I will be forced to use darn WIndows again
[14:17] <muszek> hi... last week there was a news item (AFAIR on slashdot) about a serious memory leak in X.  Has it been taken care of?  I was thinking of upgrading to lucid before the Horde does :)
[14:17] <linards> hm. Anybody has some suggestion for No sound in Lucid Lync bug jet? If I will not be able to resolve it, I will be forced to use darn Windows again
[14:17] <linards> muszek - yes - it is fixed ;)
[14:17] <muszek> linards: ty
[14:17] <linards> np
[14:18] <underdev> dennis: try uninstalling it and install the whole restricted extras?
[14:18] <underdev> that's how i got mine
[14:18] <underdev> and it works
[14:18] <jrib> muszek: the release notes for the rc have a link to the bug report I believe.  It's marked "fix released"
[14:18] <ZykoticK9> muszek, it also only affected people using Open Source video drivers (not sure if you fall under that category)
[14:18] <dennis> no not yet.... what would that change ?
[14:18] <ratcheer> lizards: Does your system have more than one sound card?
[14:18] <linards> yes
[14:18] <alvin> Doesn't every release have sound issues? (I never have actually. Maybe because Kubuntu doesn't have pulseaudio?)
[14:18] <underdev> muszek: yeah, its fixed.. thankfully
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had sound issues in the last 4+ releases
[14:19] <linards> Audigy LS ( SB570 ) / EASYcALL dESKTOP spEAKERPHONE / BUILT-IN ( DISABLED )
[14:19] <muszek> jrib, ZykoticK9, underdev: thanks
[14:19] <linards> alvin, then you are lucky
[14:19] <alvin> linards: I probably am. I hear a lot about sound issues
[14:20] <linards> :)
[14:20] <ratcheer> linards: ALSA may be seeing the disabled card, first. That causes problems with everything downstream.
[14:20] <bjsnider> i think kubuntu does have pulseaudio
[14:20] <alvin> Then again, I'm mostly using Ubuntu as server OS. I'm more worried about boot problems than sound/graphics
[14:20] <alvin> bjsnider: no, it doesn't have pulseaudio by default
[14:20] <linards> ratcheer
[14:20] <linards> please - more specific
[14:21] <linards> how can I check if it is been disabled?
[14:21] <ratcheer> linards: I will have to dig for a few minutes to find the specifics. BRB
[14:21] <alvin> Then again, pulseaudio IS an interesting concept
[14:21] <underdev> KISS has served me well w/ audio on linux- ac97 or whatnot, but i'm no audiophile
[14:22] <underdev> or dj
[14:22] <theadmin> I mainly use my phone for music-listening stuff
[14:22] <linards> hehe
[14:22] <underdev> again lala/pandora work great for me
[14:22] <linards> I need sound mainly because I am programmer on WIndows and currently tweaking some apps for WIne
[14:22] <underdev> 9.10 & 10.04
[14:22] <underdev> linards: i see
[14:22] <underdev> linards: rock on, and thank you!
[14:22] <theadmin> linards: Wh--- might be a WINE sound problem then, no?
[14:23] <linards> hehehe
[14:23] <linards> no man
[14:23] <linards> Wine is just and fornntend
[14:23] <linards> prob is in backend
[14:23] <underdev> linards: yeah, i've had to screw with wine to get sound working in warcraft & starcraft
[14:23] <linards> somethong f**ks up ALSA
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> Got me a new brother HL 2170W printer. (on sale) and wow. it works very well  in linux. :) Cups/printerconfig tool finds it on the network and away i go :)
[14:23] <linards> because when I open Multimedia Systems Selector
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> windows box's are still installing the drivers.. linux boxs  are printing.
[14:24] <ratcheer> linards: Run cat /proc/asound/modules - which card is listed, first?
[14:24] <linards> Audigy LS :)
[14:24] <linards> one that does not work at all
[14:24] <underdev> Dr_Willis: I always recommend Brother for linux, just works, great deals.  Got a high capacity toner cartridge for $18 on slickdeals for my 2140
[14:24] <coz_> alcorn,  there you go
[14:24] <alcorn> coz_ :) Thanks
[14:24] <alcorn> I am on Ubuntu 10.04. Anyone notice a very long bootup time. It could just be something wrong with my setup. If so I think it may be something to do with my graphics card as the Ubuntu loading screen when it does finally show up, is low resolution. Now once I get all loaded up, Ubuntu runs like greased lightning. Has anyone experience a very long loading time on 10.04 and knows how to fix it?
[14:25] <ratcheer> linards: Ok, that is not your problem, then. Carry on.
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> underdev:  yea. I been watching this one for months.. waiting to catch it on sale for $100
[14:25] <pickett> anyone know how i can install prograns in a live cd session?
[14:25] <underdev> got my 2140 for $50 0tax free shipping
[14:25] <linards> ratcheet, then I can at least hope my problem wi8ll be investigated?
[14:25] <lamefun> ubuntu+1?
[14:25] <theadmin> pickett: Same way you do it on a normal one
[14:25] <coz_> alcorn,   on my lucid system   it doesnt seem to have a very long boot time compare to karmic   so  not sure   .... which video card do you have ?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> pickett:  you can 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get isntall whatever'
[14:25] <lamefun> hello
[14:25] <red> anyone noticed Eclipse just "disappearing" in Lucid Lynx?
[14:25] <linards> If you nmeed any logs - I am ready to provide them ;)
[14:25] <red> I find it impossible to work :/
[14:26] <red> I shoot it up, meddle around a while and poof it just disappears
[14:26] <ratcheer> linards: I have no idea.
[14:26] <alcorn> coz_ Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB, running 173.14.22 Nvidia driver
[14:26] <underdev> alcorn: i had that happen to me once earlier.  Had to reinstall because i was monkeying with grub2, and it worked, so i don't know what the problem/solution was/is :)
[14:26] <pickett> when i try to install i get this error http://pastebin.com/RywT8AyF
[14:26] <coz_> alcorn,   mmm that's a fairly old driver version
[14:26] <theadmin> red: Are you using the repository build? If so, report a bug with "ubuntu-bug package"
[14:27] <coz_> alcorn,  did you install the drive using hardware drivers?
[14:27] <dennis> tried remove the ubuntu-restricted-extras... no resolv still the flashplayer failes to install
[14:27] <linards> grrrr ... :( .... this is nonsense ... when I upgraded to ALSA 1.22, i hoped that I will finally be able to use micrphone on my Audigy LS
[14:27] <ratcheer> lamefun: It means the current prod release +1, or the development release, which is 10.04
[14:27] <linards> now I cannot use card at all
[14:27] <linards> %$%$#%@#$%^%# ... :( ...
[14:27] <underdev> alcorn: w/ amd/ati video
[14:28] <underdev> alcorn: so whatever it is, it's not nvidia specific
[14:28] <alcorn> coz_ it's the one that ubuntu installs by default. I have no problem updating as I use linux all the time and consider myself to be a "Pro Newb" however this computer is going to my grandma and if I upload a newer driver then what ends up happening when she updates is I have to drive back home and reload the drivers from command for her... not fun.
[14:28] <ratcheer> linards: How did you upgrade?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> dennis, try flashplugin-nonfree, then reinstall kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:28] <linards> Firstly by Karmic -> Lucid Beta 2
[14:28] <coz_> alcorn,  understood
[14:28] <linards> then, when I found out micrphone still did not work
[14:28] <null> Question:  What's the default RSS feed reader in 10.04?
[14:28] <linards> I used WebUpd8 PPA
[14:28] <BluesKaj> or ubuntu restricte....
[14:28] <dennis> i tried that... i doesn't work either
[14:28] <theadmin> null: There is none
[14:28] <null> o.0
[14:29] <linards> and after ... I think one specific update, sound suddenly vanquished
[14:29] <null> So what happens if I click on an rss feed?
[14:29] <alcorn> I did all of the updates, and only after the updates did I start having long loading times
[14:29] <theadmin> null: Firefox can read them
[14:29] <theadmin> null: and that's what it uses
[14:29] <underdev> dennis: did you remove flashplugin-nonfree before you installed restricted?
[14:29] <linards> also noticable that in that time I was using computers tuner for my bass guitar
[14:29] <linards> throught WIne
[14:29] <underdev> and did you try using flash before trying to reinstall flash?
[14:30] <ratcheer> linards: Do you have package linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.32-21-generic installed?
[14:30] <alcorn> I think there may be some truth to the grub2 causing some kind of problem with my graphics card during boot. Perhaps if I deactive the driver, reboot then reactivate. Maybe during the upgrade of grub2 part of it did not get configed correctly. Perhaps Nvidia needs to reconfigure it. Your thoughts coz_?
[14:30] <null> Yes. It.  Can!  CAN CAN CAN
[14:30] <null> Because I cAN CAN CAN!
[14:30] <theadmin> null: lolwut
[14:30] <coz_> alcorn,  well first open hardware drivers  and tell what options are there
[14:30] <linards> no, I have not.
[14:31] <linards> current backport is 32-21.11
[14:31] <linards> in synpatics
[14:31] <Voffko> hi 2 all
[14:31] <theadmin> Voffko: Hello.
[14:32] <coz_> alcorn,  under hardware drivers there should be  a (version current) driver available under that  which is the 193.xx driver Ibelieve
[14:32] <ratcheer> linards: I don't know if it will help you, but I had to install that package to get alsa 1.0.22..1 to work on my upgraded Karmic system.
[14:32] <coz_> alcorn,  if you install that  it will automatically update for her:)
[14:32] <alcorn> coz_ oh ya, that is part of my problem. I didn't realize in 10.04 that they changed the name of the latest driver. It used to be like 182 or something and I always look for that. When I didn't see it I installed the highest number. Didn't realize the renamed it to "version current" I am going to install that one and see what happens >.<
[14:32] <linards> Oh. I see. Well - thank you very much - at least for hope to not use WIndows for daily work .. ;)
[14:33] <rmrfslash> Will the Kubuntu devs release RC => Production packages before tomorrow so we RC-testers/bug-reporters don't get hammered by kiddies?
[14:33] <Voffko> Please tell me how you can change the computer name in 10,04?
[14:33] <linards> Only reason why I remeber of that damn OS is that I do manage network in office ... and play Demigod
[14:33] <linards> xD
[14:33] <coz_> alcorn,  yeah they did... and I do use the (version current) on my lucid box here :)
[14:33] <alcorn> coz_ gonna give that an install and reboot and hit you up again and let you know the results. Thanks for helping me catch my mistake.
[14:33] <Voffko> In a network of 10 computers of the same name "Ubuntu")
[14:33] <coz_> ok
[14:34] <coz_> alcorn,  cool
[14:34] <alcorn> coz_ so, 193 huh? They finally moved passed 182. Nice
[14:34] <Voffko>  how you can change the computer name in 10,04?
[14:34] <rww> !hostname
[14:34] <coz_> alcorn,  yeah :)  it is a better driver  so give it a whirl
[14:35] <alcorn> coz_ Ya on my Linux boxes I always use the latest drivers directly from Nvid. Just have to update them manually so I don't do that on other people I am migrating to Linux... would make for a VERY bad Linux experience for them >.<
[14:35] <cjs> Am I wrong, or is the installer wrong when it changes my requested hostname from an FQDN to just the first component?
[14:35] <Voffko> thx
[14:36] <QQi> this is 10.04 final release right?
[14:36] <QQi> 3f5d201564e2cd24b75bf2843a6ba54a *ubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:36] <QQi> d173fe34de467a93d806ddfafc2d74a0 *ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[14:36] <linards> ratcheer, do I need Generic or Generic-PAE ?
[14:36] <alcorn> coz_ "Kernel update.... OMG NOW WINDOWS.... NO WINDOWS!!!! AH JUST TEXT!!!  :( LoL, ya would be bad.
[14:37] <ratcheer> linards: It depends on which kernel you have installed.
[14:37] <alcorn> coz_ ok, going to reboot. Be back in a few.
[14:38] <linards> I have pae installed. So pae is the one i need, right?
[14:38] <yofel> QQi: that's the daily build from yesterday and propably the final yes
[14:39] <tsimpson> no, there are no final builds
[14:39] <linards> Anyway - just installed. After reboot sound should be fine, right, ratcheer?
[14:40] <yofel> tsimpson: that's why I said probably or do they do an iso rebuild for the finals?
[14:40] <tsimpson> ISOs can be rebuilt at any time
[14:40] <tsimpson> it's only final when it's announced
[14:40] <ratcheer> linards: We can hope so. And yes, you need the pae one with the pae kernel.
[14:42] <Votan> Anyone running a mainline .34 rc5 kernel ?
[14:42] <yofel> Votan: I tried it once, but suspend resulted in a kernel panic so I'm back in 32
[14:42] <tehowe> Hey, is anyone having wireless problems with 10.04 RC? My wireless dies after a few minutes and the indicator light just flashes.
[14:43] <Votan> yofel mh, suspend works for me, but shut down jsut freezes while showing the splash, no harm done though, jsut have to presss the button, kinda annoying
[14:44] <rohan> any leaked mirrors out already?
[14:45] <Pici> rohan: what?
[14:45] <yofel> rohan: as the isos aren't yet finisehd that's impossible, use a daily build if you can't wait
[14:45] <rohan> Pici: for the final release i mean
[14:45] <rohan> yofel: ok, thanks.. and i am just curious, not impatient :) i always wait till official release to get the ISOs
[14:46] <tsimpson> watch www.ubuntu.com to see when it's announced (but don't keep reloading it over-and-over)
[14:48] <alcorn> coz_ It still has a very long boot time with the newer Nvidia driver. Any other suggestions? Perhaps I should make grub recheck everything and rewrite the boot file?
[14:49] <Reckon> Afternoon good ppl
[14:49] <QQi> some already leaked final release http://mirror1.ku.ac.th/lucid/
[14:50] <alcorn> Anyone know how to get grub in 10.04 to recheck everything and rewrite the boot file?
[14:50] <yofel> QQi: nothing is final as long as it isn't officially released, the images can be changed at any time
[14:51] <QQi> yofel: i thank it will take long time for mirror sync
[14:51] <QQi> *think
[14:51] <coz_> alcorn,   mmm I cant think of anything off hand.... what is the hardware configuration....I mean what type of processor etc??
[14:51] <Reckon> QQi: take care with leaked versions... they might have unwanted software included (spyware/malware)
[14:51] <tsimpson> QQi: it's not final until it's announced, the ISOs can be changed any time between now and then
[14:52] <QQi> Reckon: thanks i checked MD5SUM is same daily-build (no malware)
[14:53] <alcorn> coz_ AMD Dual Core 64bit processor, 2.8ghz. 2x 10k RPM Seagate HDD, 4Gb 800Mhz Corsair ram.
[14:53] <rohan> alcorn: sudo update-grub
[14:54] <coz_> alcorn,  ooo that wont be the issue then  ... mmm  not sure  ...but you may want to go to the #grub channel and ask
[14:54] <alcorn> rohan, thanks. Wille try it
[14:54] <Ken8521_> alcorn, what issue are you having on that system/
[14:55] <linards> hi. Still no sound.
[14:56] <alcorn> coz_ just did a grub update. Gonna try a reboot in a sec. Ken8521_ my Ubuntu is booting up very slowly. When it does get to the loading screen, it is low resolution and when I load completely everything is back to normal and the system runs like greased lightning.
[14:56] <Reckon> QQi: was only an advice... sometimes ppl think they are getting legit software
[14:56] <Ken8521_> hmm
[14:56] <rohan> alcorn: i think you may want to disable plymouth
[14:56] <alcorn> rohan, oh? What is plymouth?
[14:56] <Ken8521_> that's a good thought
[14:56] <mewshi> I was just about to ask, what is plymouth?
[14:57] <Reckon> alcorn, a good tool is installing bootchart and check why is the system booting that slow
[14:57] <coz_> alcorn,   mmm   do a sudoa apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   and if that doesn work then yes   you may want to disable plymouth which is the boot scrren which is animated now
[14:57] <Ken8521_> yup.
[14:57] <Ken8521_> plymouth is causing its fair share of issues.
[14:57] <underdev> plymouth.  lovely city.  great seafood.
[14:57] <rohan> alcorn: the stuff which displays splash on bootup
[14:58] <underdev> the rock is quite underwelming though.  It's just a.. rock.
[14:58] <Ken8521_> only negative impact, would be no GUI bootup, you'd probably just get some running text on your screen
[14:58] <alcorn> rohan, coz_ ok. I will give those a try. Kinda leary about the upgrade, never have good turn out's with using upgrade commands.
[14:59] <Ken8521_> alcorn, well, if you're using 10.04, you're using the beta/rc so you'll want to run upgrade and dist-upgrade, to keep the version you have current
[14:59] <linards> ratcheer!
[14:59] <alcorn> Reckon, I will keep that in mind. Thank you.
[14:59] <coz_> alcorn,  ok  but the dist-upgrade should not be an issue at this point  I do it daily.... however  if you want to uninstall plymouth just go to synaptic and search for plymouth  then  just remove the package plymouth   there's prbably a way to disable that withouth that fuss though
[14:59] <alcorn> Ken8521_ ok. Has ubuntu go better with their upgrading or is it still pretty much, your gonna have to wipe and do a fresh install?
[15:00] <Ken8521_> alcorn, i don't upgrade, i always clean install, but if you're staying w/ 10.04(ie, going 10.04 beta, to 10.04 rc), i had no issue w/ that
[15:00] <coz_> alcorn,  if you ugrade from one version to another   its generally a bad idea  but  a dist upgrade is not changing versioin
[15:00] <alcorn> coz_ "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[15:00] <alcorn> coz_ Ah, I see
[15:01] <An_Ony_Moose> when is the release?
[15:01] <alcorn> tomorrow
[15:01] <An_Ony_Moose> oh dang
[15:01] <alcorn> Ya, excited
[15:01] <alcorn> Like it so far
[15:01] <alcorn> Wife loves it
[15:01] <An_Ony_Moose> me too
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> what I like most is probably that spring is now available in the repos :D
[15:02] <rumpe1> are there any party-preparations yet? %)
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> is it released at midnight GMT?
[15:02] <alcorn> ok, gonna uninstall Plymouth I guess and see how it does
[15:02] <maco> no
[15:02] <alcorn> spring?
[15:02] <maco> An_Ony_Moose: at some point while it is 29 April in at least 1 timezone of earth
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> oh
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> alcorn, check the repo :P
[15:02] <alcorn> ok I will but what is spring?
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> *sigh*
[15:03] <z0rt|work> the season before summer
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> I said, check the repo
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> :P
[15:03] <Ken8521_> was wondering that myself.
[15:03] <Ken8521_> !info spring
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> but it's an  RTS engine
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> an EPIC one
[15:03] <ratcheer> linards: I'm back. What happened?
[15:03] <alcorn> alright alright, I am going
[15:03] <linards> ratcheer, maybe private chat?
[15:03] <DASPRiD> ratcheer, end of the world
[15:03] <linards> Its kinda mess here
[15:03] <ratcheer> linards: Tell me how.
[15:05] <z0rt|work> dancing volcanoes
[15:07] <Votan> next ubuntu should be called Rising Ashes or Spitting Vulcano
[15:07] <Ken8521_> Votan, why would they call it that, that has nothing to do with "M"
[15:07] <Votan> oh, M, right, erm
[15:07] <alvin> More Misery?
[15:07] <Pici> !10.10
[15:08] <Votan> damn
[15:08] <Ken8521_> Maverick Meerkat
[15:08] <Votan> k, 11.04 then
[15:08] <Votan> NN mh
[15:08] <z0rt|work> talk to me goose
[15:08] <Ken8521_> lol
[15:08] <Ken8521_> "Requesting permission for fly by"
[15:09] <Votan> Nasty Nymph ? Or Naughty Nymph
[15:09] <inglor> hey, how long should an upgrade from 9.10 take? I'm considering upgrading now to avoid the server load and then just updating from RC to the normal ver?
[15:09] <z0rt|work> negative ghost rider the pattern is full
[15:09] <Ken8521_> lol
[15:09] <Ken8521_> inglor, right now, probably not to bad(although  i really dn't know) tomorrow, it could take quite some time as the servers will be very busy
[15:09] <inglor> will start now :)
[15:10] <inglor> it's telling me I have to download 1984 MB :P
[15:10] <z0rt|work> if you have the beta installed all you need to do is update it
[15:10] <z0rt|work> right?
[15:10] <inglor> right :)
[15:10] <crow> If i add udev rule for harddisk, and then add entry in fstab for that disk, xubuntu 10.4 rc cant mount file system and then i just comment these two line for hdds and system boot fine.. If i enable these line and manualy mount -a harddisk are mounted fine.. if i do reboot again cant mount filesystemm i think there is a but somewhere
[15:11] <inglor> haha, that's awesme, 2 gigs of download are going to take 10 minutes :)
[15:11] <Ken8521_> z0rt|work, yeah, run apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:12] <Rissom> I can select a connection in 10.4 and it'll constantly keep asking me for the key, it doesn't actually connect to the Internet at all, I know the key is correct, any help?
[15:12] <Ken8521_> i don't think 11.04 has been named yet, maybe it has htough
[15:16]  * enyc hops around impatiently ;-)
[15:17] <yofel> Ken8521_: it has not, it will be named a while before 10.10 release
[15:17] <Ken8521_> ya
[15:17] <mewshi> I'm trying to get 10.04 to link with Ubuntu One, but I can't find the "add this computer" button mentioned in the instructions.
[15:18] <Bunbury> hello all
[15:18] <Volkodav> How do I add gnome-applet-volume ?
[15:18] <Bunbury> could someone plz tell me how to manage running services in lucid lynx
[15:18] <anodesni> Hi, Wubi (ubuntu 10.04 64/32 bit) is crashing under windows 7 64 bit, is there a fix?
[15:19] <crow> If i add udev rule for harddisk, and then add entry in fstab for that disk, xubuntu 10.4 rc cant mount file system and then i just comment these two line for hdds and system boot fine.. If i enable these line and manualy mount -a harddisk are mounted fine.. if i do reboot again cant mount filesystemm i think there is a but somewhere /2
[15:19] <z0rt|work> Volkodav: sudo apt-get install gnome-applet-volume ?
[15:19] <crow> does somehere have more knowelage with udev or should i report this at all...
[15:19] <Volkodav> E: Couldn't find package gnome-applet-volume
[15:19] <dagny_ta1gart> hello, can anyone give me some feedback on flash performance in Lucid?
[15:20] <Ken8521_> Volkodav, i believe the sound applet is now part of indicator applet
[15:20] <mewshi> can anyone help me with ubuntu one?  I can't find the "Add computer' button >.>
[15:22] <Volkodav> Ken8521_: so howo i add it to the panel
[15:22] <helo> somehow i have 64MB free ram, with 1.1GB cached, but all of my swap is being used
[15:22] <Ken8521_> Volkodav, right click the panel, add to panel, add indicator applet
[15:22] <Ken8521_> it should be there though, unlessy ou removed it for some reason
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> helo: memory leak?
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> install atop
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> and run sudo atop 2
[15:24] <charlie-tca> mewshi, look in the account tab, "view the machines connected to this account" and see if it is already there
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> then press 'm'
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> hey charlie-tca
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo_remote
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> wth is IRCAnswersBot ???!
[15:24] <helo> i did, it doesn't flag any processes... just shows that my swap is low
[15:24] <mewshi> charlie-tca, it's not.  I already checked.
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> helo: so why are you saying you don't have any mem free?
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> if atop doesn't show any abnormal usage?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> mewshi, did it open the website page?
[15:25] <helo> atop shows that my swap is depleted, but it doesn't flag any process as using such a massive amount of memory... and i still have 1.1GB of cached used ram that should be used way before the swap fills up
[15:26] <Bunbury> um is there a service manager in lucid lynx
[15:26] <BluesKaj> anodesni, wubi isn't designed to support beta OSes, so trying to run lucid in wubi is iffy and probly unstable ...if you want to run an ubuntu OS either run karmic in wubi or partition an ext4  for a proper installation
[15:26] <helo> oh well, i'll just reboot
[15:27] <anodesni> BluesKaj: so I can install 9.10 wubi and then upgrade to 10.04??
[15:27] <helo> we'll see if it happens again tomorrow... i just did a dist-upgrade, so maybe some package was upgraded that affected something running
[15:27] <helo> (in a way that won't occur in the final release)
[15:27] <inglor> anodesni: why use wubi instead of a traditional dual boot?
[15:27] <vish> IRCAnswersBot: what is grub?
[15:27] <tsimpson> it's a logging bot
[15:27] <vish> bleh , wastebot ;p
[15:27] <BluesKaj> on a proper install yes , but it's not recommended in wubi, anodesni
[15:28] <anodesni> inglor: I don't want to change my partitions
[15:28] <crow> seems here noone care for stuff reported...
[15:28] <anodesni> inglor: I still use mandriva as my main os
[15:28] <helo> crow: irc is not the proper forum for reporting bugs
[15:28] <BluesKaj> anodesni, why not change your partitions ?
[15:28] <Rissom> I can select a connection in 10.4 and it'll constantly keep asking me for the key, it doesn't actually connect to the Internet at all, I know the key is correct, any help?
[15:28] <inglor> anodesni: if you already are dual booting adding a third OS is pretty simple
[15:28] <anodesni> BluesKaj: Because I like it the way it is now
[15:29] <alvin> is there an ubuntu-one client in Kubuntu now?
[15:29] <crow> helo well this channel is created for that isnt it?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> anodesni, then you'll have to live with what you have
[15:29] <rohan> Rissom: which wifi card are you using?
[15:29] <anodesni> inglor: then I need to resize my home partition which is slow and my ruin my partitions
[15:29] <cwillu_at_work> crow, in a terminal, type:  "ubuntu-bug <package-with-the-bug>"
[15:29] <helo> crow: this channel is created if you need help
[15:29] <inglor> anodesni: you need the same amount of free space anyway
[15:29] <helo> ... "is created for when you need help"
[15:30] <cwillu_at_work> crow, and for discussion about fixing bugs and such.  It's not useful to report them here unless you know exactly who you need to talk to, and why they want to hear about it first here rather than in the bug tracker
[15:30] <crow> helo well yea i need help, cant boot system with udev++fstab entry..
[15:30] <anodesni> inglor: same as what?
[15:30] <inglor> anodesni: so if you have a space problem wubi is not the answer
[15:30] <inglor> anodesni: wubi uses as much HD space as partitioning your HD
[15:30] <anodesni> inglor: I have enough space on my windows partition
[15:30] <cwillu_at_work> crow, File. A. Bug.  It won't get fixed unless you do
[15:30] <inglor> anodesni: so why not just resize that?
[15:31] <red> is the lucid lynx release tomorrow?
[15:31] <anodesni> inglor: it's slow and might kill windows
[15:31] <crow> cwillu_at_work i wanna check if thats bug at first place... of udev, or fstab, or just booting need more time to mount hdds in first place
[15:31] <inglor> anodesni: what do you mean it's slow?
[15:31] <cwillu_at_work> crow, the best way to do that is to... file the bug.  :p
[15:31] <anodesni> inglor: last time i tried gparted, resizing was very slow (moving all this data)
[15:32] <inglor> anodesni: that's because NTFS is not handled well in gparted, the windows built in partitioning tool can resize a partition pretty fast
[15:32] <cwillu_at_work> crow, if you assign it to the wrong package, that package's maintainer will help figure out which package it should be, and they'll probably have a very good idea about it
[15:32] <Ken8521_> resizing a partition is always a slow process, especially if there's a lot of data to move
[15:32] <inglor> anodesni: also, in no way it will kill windows
[15:33] <Rissom> rohan: Belkin N Wireless USB Adapter F5D8053ed.
[15:33] <anodesni> inglor: ok, but the problem is, I'll probably trow ubuntu away in a day or two
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> Ken8521_, it's the moving that's slow;  it can be extremely quick in fact if things work out
[15:33] <Ken8521_> *if*..
[15:33] <crow> cwillu_at_work ok i will check on other distribution if this work or not..
[15:33] <inglor> anodesni: and why is that? it is a very good operating system
[15:33] <BluesKaj> anodesni, make sure you defrag the windows partition before resizing it
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> crow, eh?  No, just file the damn bug already :p
[15:33] <crow> cwillu_at_work because now it doesnt work and need fix or it
[15:33] <anodesni> inglor: the theme is too fat, it is slow compared to mandriva, but I llike how complete it is
[15:34] <rohan> Rissom: check 'dmesg' if some obivous errors related to wlan are shown
[15:34] <Hillshum> Will just installing all the updates from Beta 2 bring me current?
[15:34] <intangir> why can i 'su intangir' from root and see my encrypted file system if i never put in my password? doesnt that make the security utterly worthless? anyone can get root on a stolen computer
[15:34] <Ken8521_> anodesni, slow compared to mandriva?  mandriva is oen fo the slowest distros i've ever used, short of Linspire
[15:34] <|rt|> has anyone run into compiz not starting after upgrading...I worked around this by adding it to the list of startup apps but that's a hack
[15:34] <intangir> hell anyone can get root with a live CD
[15:34] <inglor> anodesni: it is very complete, you don't have to deal with it, as you obviously know themes are easily changed
[15:34] <|rt|> on a possible related note I had all kinds of issues with the upgrade related to fglrx
[15:34] <anodesni> inglor: I know, but I do like the ubuntu theme, but my laptop screen sucks (1366x768)
[15:35] <inglor> anodesni: a theme is no reason to choose an operating system, the gnome you're getting in mandriva is the same gnome you're getting in ubuntu
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, what's the setup?  are you sure that the encrypted drive doesn't have a key for root as well?
[15:35] <inglor> anodesni: what is it about mandriva that you think is worse in ubuntu?
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> Hillshum, yes
[15:36] <anodesni> inglor: the application startup time and the fonts that don't have the right sizes on websites
[15:37] <inglor> anodesni: well, to be honest I haven't touched mandriva in about 3 years but I doubt ubuntu is significantly slower or faster
[15:37] <anodesni> inglor: it's a minor problem, so I'll probably try ubuntu later for a while in my continuous distro hopping
[15:37] <inglor> anodesni: and about the fonts, I never experienced incorrect font size in ubuntu
[15:37] <anodesni> inglor: mandriva feels very fast and for me the most important thing about an OS is how it feels.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> anodesni, try kubuntu , you might like kde better
[15:38] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: how do i tell how many keys an ecrypted mount has, its not a full drive its using that ecryptfs
[15:38] <mewshi> charlie-tca, yes, it opened the page
[15:38] <anodesni> BluesKaj: I used arch linux with kde for a couple of years, I do like it
[15:38] <inglor> anodesni: well, ubuntu feels fast to me, but like I said, I haven't worked with mandriva for about 3 years
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, explain exactly what you did, and what you expected to see
[15:39] <anodesni> BluesKaj: at least it adjusts the theme size depending on your screen size
[15:39] <inglor> anodesni: funny to say, the reason I left mandriva is because it started feeling cloggy and slow as an operating system :P that, and I also dislike the fact they're trying to shove their commercial products at you
[15:40] <anodesni> inglor: was it 2007.0/1 when you left?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> i prefer kde anodesni , but i do use some gtk apps as well , not a purist but do prefer the kde  "look"
[15:40] <inglor> anodesni, might have been makes sense... ubuntu is just so complete, it takes care of everything
[15:40] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i setup an ecryptfs to encrypt my files and it supposedly only mounts a 'view' of my unencrypted files when i log in with my password, making my files safe if my PC is stolen, so i logged out. then shelled in as root, and did 'su intangir' i never logged in with my password, root basically used priviledge to become my user, so it shouldnt have mounted my encrypted files since it is supposed to need my password.. yet
[15:40] <inglor> anodesni: I like how I only meddle with it when I feel like meddling
[15:41] <anodesni> inglor: that's its best point imo
[15:41] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, are you certain that the filesystem was unmounted?
[15:41] <anodesni> especially for the LTS
[15:42] <inglor> anodesni: that and I can't stand how mandriva tries to shove products that cost money at you... it's like using a shareware OS... like running a trial version
[15:42] <inglor> anodesni: I never got that feeling using other OSs that have supported paid versions like open suse or fedora
[15:42] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: ya, when i exit back to root it shows it hides it again. i tried rebooting to see if maybe somehow it had it cached somewhere? but it never came back online ;) its a new install... no idea whats wrong now im at work..
[15:43] <anodesni> inglor: how do they 'shove' it? I only have one icon on the desktop that says "upgrade to powerpack"
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, does it show up in 'mount'?
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, the only way to "hide" it is to unmount it, and close the luks block device
[15:43] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: it shows up in 'df -h'
[15:43] <inglor> anodesni: in my book that's shoving :) it doesn't feel like a free OS... like I said maybe it improved since I last used it...
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, so it's not unmounted
[15:43] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i dont think this uses luks at all.
[15:44] <m_anish> Hi I am looking to install an older version of metacity (pre-lucid) into lucid-beta-2. How do I go about doing it. I have downloaded the required packages that need to be installed.
[15:44] <anodesni> inglor: that's something I don't really care about. For me it needs to be free as in free beer.
[15:44] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: no i mean it shows up in df -h when its mounted, and not after i logged off my user
[15:44] <intangir> but it mounts it without my pass
[15:44] <intangir> if i do 'su intangir'
[15:45] <intangir> anyway the damn machine wont reboot now so i guess i have bigger fish to fry...
[15:45] <inglor> anodesni: well, I wouldn't really call it free beer if you have to hear advertisments while you drink it... it just feels sneaky to me, with fedora or openSUSE you never get that sort of stuff
[15:45] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda1 or whatever the device is
[15:46] <anodesni> inglor: what about ubuntu one: "Upgrade now, you'll get 50GB of storage!"
[15:47] <z0rt|work> does this 50GB of storage include ftp access
[15:47] <inglor> anodesni: that's paying for storage not software, even GMail has a paid plan for more storage :) paying for one is like paying for web-hosting, not paying for software... that said I don't use ubuntu one much
[15:47] <inglor> anodesni: I only use it to back-up my cell phone
[15:48] <z0rt|work> i should install ubuntu on my palm pre
[15:48] <Rissom> rohan: I just get this over and over and over again... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/FstMQmF8
[15:48] <anodesni> inglor: I don't think the difference between ubuntu and mandriva is that big
[15:49] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i dont think ecryptfs involves luks or cryptsetup at all, thats for encrypted volumes right?
[15:49] <inglor> anodesni: what benefits does mandriva have nowdays?
[15:49] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, that's right, my mistake;  intangir, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedPrivateDirectory might be useful;
[15:49] <rohan> Rissom: can you post your complete dmesg output somewhere?
[15:49] <bazhang> inglor, anodesni please take mandriva chat to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[15:49] <inglor> right
[15:49] <Rissom> rohan: Give me 2 minutes.
[15:49] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, my money is still on operator error though :)
[15:50] <bazhang> there is also #mandriva :)
[15:50] <anodesni> inglor: liberation fonts, i568 optimized, recent packages for e.g. firefox 3.6 etc
[15:51] <anodesni> bazhang: sorry that was my last mandriva statement
[15:51] <bazhang> thanks :)
[15:52] <rohan> Rissom: and also the output of lscpi -v
[15:53] <virus>  I have a question
[15:53] <bazhang> virus, please ask
[15:53] <cwillu_at_work>  I have an answer
[15:54] <virus> what time is launched ubuntu 10.04?
[15:54] <bazhang> virus, not known
[15:54] <rohan> virus: any time in 48hours from now
[15:54] <bazhang> !party > virus
[15:54] <crow> cwillu_at_work reported...
[15:55] <cwillu_at_work> crow, bug #?
[15:55] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: my money is on ecrpytfs not being as secure as i thought. or caching
[15:55] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: probably caching
[15:55] <intangir> i hope...
[15:55] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, that's not how filesystem caching works though
[15:55] <crow> cwillu_at_work Bug #571277
[15:57] <crow> cwillu_at_work and this was msg General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system.
[15:57] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, my hunch is that you only have ~/Private encrypted, and that it is indeed encrypted properly;  an alternative theory is that you have other files written to that folder which you only see when the encrypted fs is unmounted (and thus showing through the original files at that location)
[15:58] <cwillu_at_work> crow, where does by-me come from?
[15:58] <cwillu_at_work> oh, I see
[15:59] <crow> cwillu_at_work i posted in comment. while submiting bug these files was "reported" i was thinking it would be also submited
[15:59] <nmobix> guys anyone can tell me how to figure out which module my ethernet card is using???
[15:59] <virus> Longer be released until 7:00,my time si 6:00 Pm
[16:00] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i meant password cachine, also you can encrypt and entire home now
[16:00] <intangir> and i didnt set any of this up, i just selected it during the installer
[16:00] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, I know you _can_, but _are_ you :p
[16:00] <intangir> ya
[16:00] <cwillu_at_work> password shouldn't be cached
[16:00] <intangir> i definately am
[16:01] <virus> so wait ubuntu whit my soul :))
[16:01] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, can you pastebin the output of "sudo mount; sudo ls -l ~/" with and without the encrypted folder mounted?
[16:01] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, you can use a private pastebin and pm me the link if you want
[16:02] <spvensko> hi, does anyone know the time of the 10.04 release? 12:00 AM EST? 12:00AM PST?
[16:02] <cwillu_at_work> spvensko, an hour later each time somebody asks
[16:02] <Rissom> rohan: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/SYx7MaKb
[16:02] <nmobix> guys anyone can tell me how to figure out which module my ethernet card is using???
[16:02] <spvensko> :P
[16:02] <intangir> ya it cashes it somewhere
[16:02] <intangir> cause now its not letting me in
[16:03] <intangir> it must cache the key somewhere when you log in for whatever reason..
[16:03] <spvensko> cwillu_at_work, in that case, "are we there yet?" "are we there yet?" "are we there yet?" :)
[16:03] <intangir> if i log in as me, then off (its unmounted) then su intangir from root, it somehow mounts and works.. even though i didnt reenter my pass
[16:03] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, might be that some process is still running with files open in that directory;  that would hold the mount open
[16:03] <intangir> but if i log in as root only, and do su intangir, it DOESNT mount (which is what i would expect)
[16:04] <Azoff> I have noticed that the 3d party driver for Nuvoton 677x (released by ASRock in my case) breaks due to the lirc_dev-2.6.33.patch as reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/570700
[16:04] <Azoff> as you can see in the report, I have tracked this down to the name change of the lock attribute in the struct lirc_buffer, but I can't tell *why* this breaks the source package from ASRock
[16:04] <Azoff> AFAIK, the compilation against lirc-modules-source should take care of this name change. There are no references to the lock attribute inside the source package, so it's not that trivial.
[16:04] <Azoff> any ideas are welcome.
[16:04] <cwillu_at_work> crow, and this still happens if you set the device paths in /etc/fstab to their normal names?
[16:04] <NoReflex> hello! do you know if the modesetting issue with nouveau has been resolved in the RC version of lynx? or a bug report link? AFAIK nvidia users had to add nouveau.modeset=0 as a kernel parameter before booting.
[16:05] <cwillu_at_work> crow, i.e., _not_ /dev/disk/by-me/...
[16:05] <virus> Will be the difference between RC and Final?
[16:05] <Azoff> virus: probably all the work done after the rc ;)
[16:05] <virus> no
[16:05] <Pici> er, yes.
[16:06] <anodesni> maybe they've fixed wubi
[16:07] <cwillu_at_work> NoReflex, worked for me
[16:08] <virus> if not solve the problem, which I have. get back on mandriva
[16:08] <NoReflex> cwillu_at_work: you mean you have a NVIDIA card and it worked out of the box with modesetting? or you added nouveau.modeset=0...?
[16:08] <cwillu_at_work> NoReflex, worked out of the box
[16:08] <NoReflex> cwillu_at_work: interesting...which GPU do you have? mine's 8600M GT (notebook)
[16:09] <cwillu_at_work> crow, still there?
[16:09] <Oxymoron> How do I get Nexus Personal WORK in any browser in *buntu? I need my freaking BankID NOW because I  need to tax declrate.
[16:10] <crow> cwillu_at_work it work fine with device names
[16:10] <cwillu_at_work> crow, what's the bug then?
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> crow, if you invent your own paths, you'll need to write your own udev rule to make them exist, right?
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> "/dev/disk/by-me/" is your own invention
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> UUID=fdaacc84-8a07-49d1-a7d3-5f0bba5b3cd1 /mnt/HDD-06 xfs relatime 0 2 should work fine, for instance
[16:11] <crow> cwillu_at_work yes but the rule in comments do that. and if I enable these fstab lines it wont boot: General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system.
[16:12] <crow> cwillu_at_work well if you wanna use udev and udev rules it doenst..
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> crow, but why are you using those rules? :p
[16:12] <crow> cwillu_at_work and whats wrong with them? 9.10 work fine with it
[16:14] <crow> cwillu_at_work boot with fstab entry disabled, uncomment them and do: sudo mount -a, does mount them just fine...
[16:16] <Seldaek> heya, any idea why ubuntu10.4 doesn't include the kernel 2.6.33 that has TRIM support? I mean if 10.4 is LTS, you'd think TRIM is kinda important for the long term, but I don't know what's the kernel update policy in between ubuntu releases?
[16:16] <crow> cwillu_at_work but maybe you are right, costum rules costum problems. but i think it should just work..
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> Seldaek, because 2.6.33 causes other issues, it's not worth the risk
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> Seldaek, nothing is stopping somebody from upgrading kernels if they need to
[16:17] <Pici> .33 was released too late in the release process to be viable for proper testing.
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I don't see the value of those rules in this case though;  you're just duplicating functionality that already exists (by-id/by-uuid/by-path(
[16:17] <Seldaek> cwillu_at_work: alright, but do you know if kernel upgrades come through between ubuntu releases or is the kernel only updated in releases?
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> crow, yes, it should work, but it's not something I would ever do :)
[16:18] <Seldaek> meaning, is there any chance to get .33 throuhg ubuntu updates before 10.10 ?
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> Seldaek, the kernel will get patches and fixes, but it won't get updated to newer kernel releases
[16:18] <Seldaek> ok, so I'd have to update it manually
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> such a thing would risk breaking thousands of machines at a time
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> and we try to avoid doing that :p
[16:18] <crow> cwillu_at_work doesnt mean its not a bug or something like that. they are costum rules which should work, and are working within 9.10
[16:18] <Seldaek> right :p
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> crow, that's what I said
[16:19] <rohan> is there a linux-backports package for lucid?
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> crow, but from an administration stand point, you should prefer to use existing mechanisms if possible, because those are the approaches that get tested
[16:19] <rohan> basically i want compat-wireless on lucid
[16:19] <yofel> rohan: no, but we have mainline build packages if you want to test them
[16:20] <Seldaek> is there any knowledge base about compatibility with dell machines?:)
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> crow, hmm;  try setting them to mount in /media instead of /mnt
[16:20] <crow> cwillu_at_work oh well then no play with it... :)
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> crow, you might be tricking mountall into thinking that they're actually a critical mount point rather than an optional one that can be mounted later in the boot
[16:21] <crow> cwillu_at_work and this way you know which disk is bad or failing... (have 14 of them)... this was just test of rc..
[16:21] <cwillu_at_work> crow, there's already monitoring with prompts to do that though
[16:21] <rohan> yofel: thanks.. do you mean from the source package linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 ?
[16:22] <crow> cwillu_at_work still in my angel of view its a bug, because it works on 9.10
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> crow, your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired.  I already agreed that it was a bug.
[16:22] <yofel> rohan: no, those are drivers that were backported from .33 or .34 to the ubuntu .32 kernel
[16:22] <yofel> what I was talking about was http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:23] <cwillu_at_work> I'm just saying from a personal advice standpoint that it's a bug in behaviour that doesn't get a whole lot of testing
[16:23] <rohan> yofel: thanks, but i just wanted the backported modules.. i don't want to test a complete new kernel
[16:23] <cwillu_at_work> hence my yelling at you before to file the bug first :)
[16:23] <Volkodav> anybody knows of any other TRIM test except this ? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-812509-highlight-ssd+trim.html
[16:23] <crow> cwillu_at_work thats why we are all testers :), and man like to play, and as this is home server doenst matter but i like it that way.
[16:24] <rohan> yofel: in any case, how does one use that ppa? is it possible to add it to sources.list like a normal ppa, or is that deliberately not possible?
[16:24] <yofel> Volkodav: not really, I tried trim here with 34-rc5 yesterday, but didn't manage to get it to work on ext4
[16:24] <cwillu_at_work> rohan, no, it's deliberately set up to not work as a normal ppa
[16:24] <yofel> rohan: deliberately not possible
[16:24] <Volkodav> yofel: I tried too with the same kernel
[16:24] <intangir> how do i setup an encrypted volume ontop of a raid
[16:25] <Volkodav> yofel: How dit you test though ?
[16:25] <intangir> well.. ontop of anything..
[16:25] <enseven> Hi all! Is there a samba package for lucid with ctdb support?
[16:26] <rohan> thanks, cwillu_at_work , yofel
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> crow, try adding nobootwait to those lines in fstab
[16:26] <yofel> Volkodav: pretty much as described in the post, had to first get a newer firmware for my ssd though, but I didn't dare to try a manual trim with hdparm
[16:26] <Volkodav> yofel:  I think I will convert to btrfs
[16:26] <crow> cwillu_at_work ok but will first try to mount them to /media instead of /mnt
[16:26] <Volkodav> I do not want to touch hdparm neither
[16:26] <alvin> isn't '_netdev' the mount option that tells the system to wait for a network share?
[16:27] <yofel> alvin: it is
[16:27] <Volkodav> yofel: what version of hdparm to you have ?
[16:27] <alvin> and nobootwait is the opposite, right?
[16:27] <alvin> I can only find _netdev in man mount
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, he doesn't want it to wait, he wants it to not drop to a recovery shell
[16:28] <yofel> Volkodav: I rebuilt hdparm 9.27-2 from debian as the ubuntu version doesn't have trim support, I reverted after my failed attempt though
[16:28] <Dreaman> http://uploadpic.org/showoriginal-56877/%C3%90%C2%A1%C3%90%C2%BD%C3%90%C2%B8%C3%90%C2%BC%C3%90%C2%BA%C3%90%C2%B0.png
[16:29] <alvin> That happened automatically in the old days. I can't find 'nobootwait' in the man pages. Maybe stuf for a papercut.
[16:29] <Dreaman> my ubuntu 10.04
[16:29] <Dreaman> pic
[16:29] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, it's as yet undocumented I believe
[16:30] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, and in the old days, there was equal and opposite breakage for other scenarios :)
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, just checked the source, it's there :D
[16:32] <alvin> Well, there were things that were not possible or difficult then (like /boot and / on lvm), but I have never seen more mounts break than since the introduction of mountall/upstart/plymouth
[16:32] <alvin> cwillu_at_work: cool. Just curious, can you find _netdev in the source?
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> yep
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> handled elsewhere though
[16:33] <alvin> Oh, good. Glad it still exists and I don't have to change my fstabs
[16:34] <cwillu_at_work> oh, there:  _netdev  triggers TAG_REMOTE if it's mounting /usr or /var, otherwise it triggers TAG_NOWAIT the same as nobootwait does
[16:34] <alvin> I noticed today that fresh lucid installs put 'nodev,noexec,nosuid' as options for proc. Before, that was 'defaults' (which is not the same, according to the manual)
[16:35] <alvin> the same?
[16:35] <alvin> so, it's useless for /home
[16:35] <cwillu_at_work> no, /home doesn't come into play until later anyway
[16:36] <cwillu_at_work> you can also specify "bootwait" to force it to wait regardless, but you don't want to do that for /home
[16:36] <alvin> This is what man mount says: "used to prevent the system from attempting to mount these filesystems until the network has been enabled on the system"
[16:36] <alvin> I wanted it in karmic as a workaround for some bugs
[16:37] <cwillu_at_work> which, _netdev, or bootwait?
[16:37] <alvin> Well, _netdev actually. Because of the description. But it should have been bootwait according to what you just said
[16:38] <Rissom> Eh, just a heads up - thanks to rohan for helping me out <3.
[16:38] <cwillu_at_work> why was your boot relying on /home being mounted?
[16:39] <alvin> It wasn't! mountall just halted the boot when NFS mounts where not found when the network wasn't up.
[16:39] <An_Ony_Moose> can PiTiVi crop videos?
[16:39] <crow> cwillu_at_work with /media/* it works with these rules...
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, okay, that could be, I'm not looking at karmic's code right now
[16:39] <alvin> It was just sitting there. Each time, you had to use the recovery shell
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, as currently written, nfs mounts get _netdev implicitely
[16:39] <alvin> Oh, but those bugs are fixed in Lucid. They will remain unfixed for karmic.
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> ... okay?  :p
[16:40] <alvin> Hmm, good to know. So, you don't have to specify it in fstab anymore
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, and here I thought we were in #ubuntu+1 :p
[16:40] <An_Ony_Moose> if not, is there a video editor that can?
[16:40] <alvin> Well, the documentation in Lucid is still an issue
[16:40] <Volkodav> yofel: any idea why is it not working ? What SSD do you have by the way
[16:41] <Volkodav> ?
[16:41] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, well, that'll come in time;  one of the benefits of being able to read both bug reports and source code is that you can get away with less documentation :p
[16:42] <yofel> Volkodav: ocz vertex, and no, no idea why it isn't working, but I haven't looked into it much, I can wait until maverick alpha to test it
[16:42] <joaopinto> and the bad part is that you get more bug reports and support requests to read :)
[16:42] <alvin> cwillu_at_work: So I've notived. Not entirely 'Linux for human beings' isn't it?
[16:42] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, there's not a whole lot of cases that you'd need to explicitly set those options anymore;  I'm pretty sure that's actually the reason why they're undocumented:  sop that they get bug reports rather than thousands of people simply working around it
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, mount options aren't entirely "linux for human beings" in the first place
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> for most people, a documented mount option is not better than an undocumented one
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> s/not better/no better/
[16:43] <alvin> Agreed. The actual software made this more simple, but due to the many bugs it was necessary to read up on it. Karmic isn't unsupported, but will remain unfixed, and that's a pity.
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> it's the lts that matters, really
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> if you're on karmic, you're probably upgrading every 6 months anyway
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> most of my "fire and forget" users will be staying on lucid
[16:44] <Volkodav> yofel: what do you think will be in maverick that we can not get now ? supported kernel and supported FS ext4
[16:44] <alvin> Well, no. Other bugs forced me to karmic. Now, some bugs force me to Lucid, and  hope I can stay there for a while.
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> see, that's a different approach to life :)
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> er, that's the approach to life that I mean
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> you can fix bugs without upgrading generally, and I tend to get really grumpy when things that I fixed get broken by normal updates pushing out big fixes
[16:45] <alvin> Well, we'll see. Much has happened in regard to bug fixing in the last week. There's only one real showstopper left for me and I can live with that.
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> which is that?
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> (don'tsayxdon'tsayxdon'tsayx)
[16:46] <alvin> It still has to be confirmed: bug 563895
[16:46] <yofel> Volkodav: well, I'm not sure, ask me again sometime next week, I'll look into this over the weekend (I usually idle around in #ubuntu)
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, I'm sorry, I missed your pm until just now
[16:47]  * alvin looks at the time and starts running (Quassel remains)
[16:47] <Volkodav> it's tough to idle in ubuntu lol too crowded - but I will
[16:47] <virus> ubuntu is fake bitch,Debian si the best
[16:47] <yofel> !language | virus
[16:47] <Paddy_NI> there is a show stopper https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/501207
[16:48] <Paddy_NI> Medium!!!
[16:48] <Paddy_NI> O_o
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, can you give me the output of mount, not the output of df?
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> df doesn't tell me anything useful
[16:48] <yofel> Paddy_NI: all crashes are medium by default
[16:48] <Paddy_NI> "computer catches fire" medium,undecided
[16:48] <donpdonp> lol
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, is that using a separate /boot mount?
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> Paddy_NI, wontfix: regular maintenance includes blowing out the cat hair once in a while
[16:49] <Paddy_NI> cwillu: but my computer is powered by cats
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, people who expect grub to boot anything remotely odd get what they deserve when it breaks :p
[16:50] <cwillu_at_work> Paddy_NI, might I suggest a usb fan?
[16:50] <sXs-> is it channel about new ubuntu 10.04?
[16:50] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, kinda sorta
[16:50] <bazhang> sXs-, yes
[16:51] <cwillu_at_work> bazhang, _kinda_ _sorta_
[16:51] <bazhang> sXs-, also #ubuntu-release-party
[16:51] <sXs-> and is here anybody from Canonical? or it is just like channel for discussion?
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, I'd expect some are, yes
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, you'll find you have more luck if you just ask your question :p
[16:52] <eBryggis> Anyone else having trouble opening System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers? Sympoms -> No error, no dialog, no reaction after click.
[16:52] <crow> cwillu_at_work should i write on bug report that it works under /media ?
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> crow, yes
[16:52] <virus> ppl Debian is very good
[16:52] <bazhang> !ot > virus
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I didn't see anything in mountall referring to /mnt or /media specifically, but that the behaviour is different is useful to know
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I'm not %100 sure of what debian policy is with regards to /mnt, but you should be aware that it isn't necessarily the same as /media
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> crow, i.e,. if your use of /mnt is non-standard, it might actually be a wontfix
[16:54] <crow> cwillu_at_work well i will also use debian policy with regards to mount stuff...
[16:55] <ringer> eBryggis, try to run /usr/bin/jockey-gtk from terminal
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> crow, yep;  I just mean to check what it says
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> crow, there's no references at all to /mnt or /media in mountall's source though, so I'm not sure where the difference comes from
[16:56] <yofel> actually, looking in the fhs would be better: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
[16:57] <sXs-> At the moment I am using 9.10 and when npviewer.bin segfaults (not always, but sometimes) appears black screen and system does not respond at all. So I think Xserver crashes
[16:57] <cwillu_at_work> yofel, I meant with regards to why /media is behaving differently from /mnt at all
[16:58] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, I believe we have out-of-process plugins backported into our firefox in 10.04, although I'm not 100% sure of that
[16:58] <cwillu_at_work> that's basically an official means of doing what npviewer.bin does
[16:58] <yofel> hm, I think /mnt was for temporary mounts used by the administrator, /media was for removable drives
[16:59] <cwillu_at_work> yofel, this doesn't answer why one is actually behaving differently in fstab though :p
[16:59] <crow> cwillu_at_work now i tried to access a one third disk and got theses: http://paste.debian.net/71079/
[16:59] <eBryggis> ringer: Ok, now I get an error. Quite long, starts with ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.40/DeviceDriver:.....
[16:59] <yofel> yeah...
[17:00] <virus> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Daily Build
[17:00] <virus> is final?
[17:00] <bazhang> no
[17:00] <cwillu_at_work> crow, is that the whole dmesg trace? (everythinig at 411.*)
[17:00] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I don't think it's related to this, more of a hardware fault or something
[17:01] <ringer> eBryggis, put it on pastie.org and post a link to it here
[17:02] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: its apparently caching the key, in something called kernel keyring?
[17:02] <intangir> so it doesnt need to reunwrap it cause it already has it
[17:03] <intangir> i guess im ok with that cause it apparently loses it if it goes down
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, could be;  you haven't given me any of the information I've asked for though :p
[17:03] <intangir> so if someone steals it they wont be able to mount my stuff
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, if that's the case, there'll be a way to force it to forget the key as well (required to defeat some attacks)
[17:04] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: well that command shows a bunch of encrypted looking strings im not going to share ;) anyway i think im good, it still serves my purpose and i am pretty sure its working as intended
[17:04] <intangir> and ya i think there is a way with this command called 'keyctl'
[17:04] <intangir> but i am not sure how yet
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> anything less than full disk encryption with a kernel stored on removable media on your keychain is pointless on a pc :p
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, it shouldn't, it should just show device names and uuids;  if it shows actual key material, that's a massive bug that _needs_ to be fixed
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> man keyctl
[17:05] <intangir> well i dont know what it means its just strings of jibberish
[17:05] <crow> cwillu_at_work no its seems its something else http://paste.debian.net/71082/
[17:05] <eBryggis> Posted in wrong channel earlier, sorry about that. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/MswNR1ah - Here is the error I am receiving running /usr/bin/jockey-gtk
[17:05] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i appreciate all the help but i think at this point it is working as intended for my purposes ;) so im onto the next thing
[17:06] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: really do appreciate your help though
[17:06] <amereservant> Hey, I've had both the mini install and upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 fail.
[17:07] <amereservant> Anyone want to investigate?
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, file a bug with more details
[17:08] <joaopinto> amereservant, you need to provide more details about "fail"
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> link the bug here after you've filed it
[17:09] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Well I'm not sure how to file the bug when Ubuntu won't load at all on the upgrade.  It locks up and times out at boot with an error message.
[17:09] <Pici> What error message?
[17:10] <amereservant> The mini install gives me an error something like "Install halted, too many errors" when doing a very minimal install.
[17:10] <amereservant> Pici: One sec, let me reboot and see.
[17:11] <amereservant> In regards to the mini install, I exit aptitude after the error and finish the installation and it seems to be ok, but I'm not sure what all failed, so I don't know the implications of that error.
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, still there?
[17:12] <amereservant> Where do I need to file the update error at?  There's a lot I need to type since I can't copy/paste.
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, re: lvm snapshots, what was your kernel line when you were booting into the snapshot?
[17:13] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, http://www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2009/05/16/lvm-snapshots-and-non-destructive-linux-upgrades/ implies that you need to specify root=/dev/root/<snapshot-name>
[17:13] <amereservant> *upgrade error I mean.
[17:13]  * cwillu_at_work can hardly wait until btrfs obsoletes lvm :p
[17:14] <funkyHat> Any oen else's cursor do a crazy blinky flashy thing sometimes?
[17:15] <funkyHat> Usually just as I change focus by clicking on another window
[17:15] <crow> cwillu_at_work weird after restart and repeating same procedure no that error...
[17:15] <cwillu_at_work> crow, failing harddrives are like that :p
[17:16] <amereservant> Can anyone link me to the correct place?
[17:17] <crow> cwillu_at_work nop i dont think so, 2x new hdd + 1x 4month hdd
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> crow, most drive failures are inside of 6 months of manufacture, or outside of 3 years
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> infant mortality rate is known to be high
[17:18] <eagles0513875> tomorrow is release day :)
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> a raid with multiple drives all off the same manufacturing line is a disaster waiting to happen
[17:19] <crow> cwillu_at_work :)
[17:19] <eBryggis> I am having trouble loading "Hardware Drivers" dialog. Retrieves the following error running /usr/bin/jockey-gtk. Anyone else experiencing this? ( System 10.04 RC - http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/MswNR1ah )
[17:19] <helo> btrfs isn't done yet?
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> helo, no, we still get new and exciting kernel panics on a daily basis :)
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> I use it myself in a bunch of stuff, but that's because I'm both insane and have really good backups
[17:20] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work:  will those kernel panics postpone release tomorrow
[17:20] <eagles0513875> !btrfs
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, why would they?
[17:20] <marienz> you seem to be confused :P
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, btrfs isn't the standard filesystem yet
[17:21] <eagles0513875> ahhh its a filesystem
[17:21] <marienz> cwillu_at_work: I shall start referring people praising btrfs to you :P
[17:21] <eagles0513875> ok thought it was a program
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> it'll probably be for the next lts release though
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> marienz, I'm one of those people :p
[17:21]  * helo retreats into the familiar past of multi-filesystem ambivalence
[17:21] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work: what perks does it have over ext4
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> marienz, you need to run 2.6.33 at a bare minimum for any sort of stability
[17:21] <marienz> cwillu_at_work: well, I shall recommend those claiming it makes sense for daily use to you
[17:22] <marienz> err, "recommend" was the wrong word there
[17:22] <helo> btrfs does checksumming for every read/write/copy, afaik
[17:22] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, checksumming, built-in duplication of metadata, copy-on-write instead of journalling, built in snapshotting, subvolumes, compression, raid, storage pools, etc
[17:22] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, it's basically zfs for linux
[17:22] <eagles0513875> then why not use zfs which has been around for a while cwillu_at_work
[17:22] <cwillu_at_work> marienz, I use it for daily use on one of my servers, as well as in embedding products that we sell :)
[17:23] <helo> you sell products with btrfs? how do you keep good backups for your customers?
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, zfs isn't licence compatible, and is therefore only usable as fuse;  btrfs is also expected to surpass it in several ways
[17:23] <eagles0513875> cwillu: will that be replacing ext4
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> helo, network backups
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, yes
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> ext4 is a stopgap
[17:23] <helo> you weren't joking about being insane :)
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> helo, and did I mention that I'm insane? :D
[17:24] <eagles0513875> cwillu: why use something thats still not stable at all for a major distro such as the ubuntu line when it will only lead to problems and instabilites
[17:24] <marienz> ext4 is an incremental improvement over ext3 that could be rolled out quickly with reasonable confidence it wouldn't eat lots of data (because the code it's directly based on is pretty stable), afaict.
[17:24] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, eh?  we don't
[17:24] <eagles0513875> btrfs makes sense maybe in a server environment
[17:24] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, ubuntu only uses btrfs if you force it to
[17:24] <cwillu_at_work> it doesn't even offer it as an install option
[17:25] <marienz> cwillu_at_work: does the livecd kernel even support it?
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> the kernel module is included, but that doesn't matter in the slightest
[17:25] <alkisg> Where can I find linux-image-2.6.32-20-generic? I can't find it in packages.ubuntu.com nor in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/...
[17:25] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work: cuz u mentioned it will be in next release
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, the next long-term release, and probably
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> that's in like 2 years :p
[17:25] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work: gotcha
[17:25] <eagles0513875> there was just a lil ambiguity you just cleared up
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> I don't decide these things, I just predict them :)
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, I said lts
[17:26] <cwillu_at_work> honestly, checksumming is a huge deal, even on the desktop
[17:26] <cwillu_at_work> it's already saved my ass a couple times
[17:26] <eagles0513875> ya hehe im understanding the purpose of it now as i have been studying it in the sense of networking but im sure concepts are the same
[17:26] <charlie-tca> alkisg, you are downgrading the kernel?
[17:26] <alkisg> charlie-tca: yes, because the current one won't boot with my intel 845
[17:27] <cwillu_at_work> there's actually a network filesystem that's being built on top of it as well
[17:27] <cwillu_at_work> (btw, thank oracle for this :p)
[17:27] <cwillu_at_work> afk
[17:28] <charlie-tca> alkisg: might ask in #ubuntu-kernel if there is a copy available
[17:28] <alkisg> Thanks
[17:28]  * helo wonders if btrfs works well on a single-core machine
[17:29] <helo> seems like you'd really need an extra core to be doing the checksumming
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> helo, crc32 is insanely fast
[17:29] <helo> beans
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> helo, I use it on arm boards with no noticeable performance degredation
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> you don't have to checksum everything, even just checksumming metadata is a big win, but it's not like it's prohibitive to checksum everything
[17:35] <amereservant> http://pastebin.com/iuWgEyYk  That's the error I get after upgrading from Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04.  I can't report it as a bug since I cannot get into Ubuntu.
[17:36] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, how did you upgrade?
[17:36] <cwillu_at_work> and can you copy out the kernel line from grub?
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> cat /proc/cmdline from that prompt should tell you actually
[17:37] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Errr, from inside of 9.10, I typed something (not sure now) and it then showed the option to upgrade to 10.04 in the update manager.
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, okay, so you didn't do anything too crazy there
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, there's an update log stored somewhere, I don't know where off hand though :(
[17:37] <moderndayzero> quick question when i install my GBA emulator through PlayOnLinux it plays during the install 100% but after everyting is done and closed out, i try and open it through the shortcuts in my applications menu and my PlayOnLinux menu and nothing happens. any clue?
[17:38] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, but for starters, from that recovery prompt, what does  cat /proc/cmdline tell you?
[17:38] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: The output from that command was root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_deaaicbd1 ro quiet splash
[17:38] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, what filesystem are you using?  anything odd or unusual about your install?
[17:39] <cwillu_at_work> (previously)
[17:39] <cwillu_at_work> also, what's the output of "ls /dev/sd*"?
[17:39] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: No, normal drive, dual-boot configuration with grub.
[17:41] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: /dev/sdf /dev/sdd /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sda /dev/sde /dev/sdc /dev/sdb4 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb
[17:41] <uspenok> lucid rc live cd shows error message on boot and goes to reboot
[17:41] <uspenok> wtf with ubuntu last relise
[17:41] <uspenok> i try to install it 3 times beta1, beta2 and rc and nothing
[17:41] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, any of those look familiar? :p
[17:42] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: I would be guessing, but I think /dev/sda would be my primary drive.  The others would likely be the media card reader slots and the extra hdd.
[17:42] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any advantage after release to update&&upgrade vs. using the gui update in an installed RC?
[17:43] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, there's no partition on sda though that I can see
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Jake2|cfl:  should be the same
[17:43] <ojii> hi everyone
[17:43] <ojii> is it normal that i don't get a GRUB menu when I boot lucid?
[17:43] <helo> yes
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> ojii:  if  ubuntu is the only OS. yes.
[17:43] <cwillu_at_work> ojii, yes.  hold shift down to get the prompt
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> grub hides the menu bu default
[17:43] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Well grub is still there and booting into Windows 7 works fine.
[17:44] <ojii> ah, good to know Dr_Willis, cwillu_at_work. I was getting a bit worried
[17:44] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: It's when I select any of the Ubuntu 10.04 options from grub that it results in this.
[17:44] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, it's got the wrong root device for some reason
[17:45] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, does "df -h / " say anything interesting?
[17:45] <cwillu_at_work> or "df -h /root" ?
[17:45] <yukiseaside> when
[17:46] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Invalid option 'h'
[17:46] <emet> so it's coming out today
[17:46] <emet> anyone have any idea when?
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> emet, -> #ubuntu-release-party
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, try "df /"
[17:47] <emet> ok
[17:47] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Looking at that list from the ls command.... I think /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 would be my root drive.  that is two partitions, right?
[17:47] <archa> i installed lucid
[17:47] <archa> and workspace switcher does nt work
[17:47] <amereservant> *output was Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
[17:47] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: ^^
[17:48] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /dev/sdb is the device itself, /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on it
[17:49] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Hmmm.  very strange.
[17:49] <archa> how do i get it work ?
[17:49] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, in grub, try changing the kernel line's root to "root=/dev/sdb5"
[17:49] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: My primary drive should have two partitions, one for windows, one for linux.
[17:49] <amereservant> Ok.
[17:49] <archa> i installed lucid Rc.. workspace switcher does not work. how do i switch it on ?
[17:50] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Where do I look for how to edit in grub?
[17:50] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, if that doesn't work, try root=/dev/sdb4, and so on
[17:50] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Ok.
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> arand:  you refering to the compiz feature?
[17:50] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, instructions should be at the bottom of the screen when you boot;  edit the top entry, and go down the the line that says "kernel", find the part of it that says root=/dev/..., and change it as I described
[17:53] <helo> with the assumption of checksummed data on disk, it seems like there are a lot of superflous utilities and checks duplicating that effort...
[17:53] <cwillu_at_work> helo, how do you mean?
[17:54] <helo> cwillu_at_work: would it ever be important to sha1sum a file after copying it?
[17:54] <cwillu_at_work> security checks still need to be performed;  crc32 is only effective at detecting accidental modifications
[17:54] <helo> so if i have a little utility that copies a file, and runs a checksum on it (which i do), that would be pretty useless
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> not necessarily
[17:55] <helo> so maybe not "lots" ;)
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> rsync is still useful for instance
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> checksums are _very_ useful when data can just go bad on its own, and data _can_ go bad on its own
[17:55] <helo> hmmmm yeah... so no checksumming on read?
[17:55] <switchgirl> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/13650 this down for you?
[17:56] <cwillu_at_work> helo, ?  checksums _are_ done on read :p
[17:56] <switchgirl> !firefox
[17:56] <switchgirl> !firefox-3.5
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> helo, consider a system which is only rarely rebooted:  how do you fsck that?
[17:58] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: /dev/sdb1 did the trick.  If I can figure out how to get the Nvidia driver to work correctly, I'll be set!  Thanks for the help man.  As far as the mini install errors go, I can't see any issues on that machine from the errors, so I do not know what those were or the significance of them.
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, I'm guessing they're related to why grub didn't set things up correctly
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, you'll still have to sort that out, but at least you know how to boot by hand until you can fix it :)
[17:59] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Well actually, that was on a different box.
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> well, still :p
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> re: nvidia, do _not_ install the package from nvidia's site
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> should be able to install it via the drivers control panel
[18:01] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Alright.  i think it is still using the same one from 9.10.  But anyways, why the upgrade goofed up my grub, I dunno.  Just glad it isn't significant. I was just going to re-install a fresh copy, but I'd rather test to see if it's a bug or just a minor flaw which it appeared to be the latter.
[18:02] <archa> i installed lucid Rc.. workspace switcher does not work. how do i switch it on ?
[18:02] <archa>  it does not even appear
[18:02] <amereservant> I don't mind taking the extra time trying to fix it since bugs don't get fixed by just re-installing it.  And not everyone has that option.
[18:03] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, yep;  probably file a bug against grub.  May not get fixed right away, but at least somebody stands a chance of finding it from a search, etc
[18:04] <yukiseaside> !ubottu
[18:04] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: yeah,  not a bad idea.  I  thought about just posting it in the Ubuntu forums with the steps & instructions you gave me to fix it.
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, don't do that
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> posting in ubuntuforums doesn't get these things fixed, it just helps people break their computers more :p
[18:05] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: LOL, ok.  Well i wasn't completely sure if it should be filed as a bug or if it's just a very rare issue.
[18:05] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, doesn't matter if it's rare, doesn't matter if it's decided that it won't get fixed;  it only matters that it's reported so that these decisions can be made :)
[18:07] <mewshi> can someone help me get ubuntu one working on my desktop?
[18:07] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Gotcha.  Curious question.... do you know about what size the install for 10.04 is?  Oh, btw, how do I made my changes to grub stick?
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, that's what I was talking about before :p
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/grub/* and /etc/default/grub* are the relevant places to look
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> installed size, I'm not sure offhand
[18:09] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Oh, gotcha.  yeah, I was curious about the size thing because I'm wondering if the mini install is worth the trouble or not.  It comes out to about 2.1GB with a bare minimum install.
[18:09] <epv>  can i directly update ubuntu from 9.04 to 10.04
[18:09] <epv> ?
[18:09] <ubu_user> epv, you'd need to update to 9.10 then to 10.04
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> epv, there's ugly ways, but they're unsupported and likely to utterly break everything
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> epv, only direct upgrade that is supported is from 8.04 -> 10.04 (lts to lts)
[18:10] <Pici> or 9.10 to 10.04
[18:10] <mewshi> anyone know how to link a computer to Ubuntu One right now?
[18:10] <ubu_user> cwillu_at_work, isn't 9.10 also supported.  Ahh, Pici to the rescue
[18:11] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, I thought that was obvious :p
[18:11] <epv> can I do it in one shot? ie update 9.10 and immediatly to 10.04?
[18:11] <cwillu_at_work> the only upgrade skipping releases that is supported :p
[18:11] <sinux> epv, go here to see more http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS
[18:12] <epv> thanks
[18:13] <helo> is 8.04 newer than lenny?
[18:14] <helo> ahh, looksl ike lenny is from feb '09... so maybe it's safe to say that ubuntu LTS is newer than debian stable maybe half the time
[18:14]  * helo adds a few more maybes
[18:15] <cwillu_at_work> maybe you shouldn't
[18:15] <moderndayzero> quick question when i install my GBA emulator through PlayOnLinux it plays during the install 100% but after everyting is done and closed out, i try and open it through the shortcuts in my applications menu and my PlayOnLinux menu and nothing happens. any clue?
[18:17] <ubu_user> moderndayzero, there are several native GBA emulators in Linux, why not try one of them instead of using an MS version?  Good luck man.
[18:17] <moderndayzero> any personal prefrences?
[18:17]  * helo prefers the real thing
[18:18] <ubu_user> moderndayzero, i believe mednafen (or similar named) works ok
[18:18] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Very strange.  Grub doesn't exist in /etc/grub/* and /etc/default/grub* so I did sudo find / -name grub and it came up with /usr/sbin/grub /usr/lib/grub /usr/share/grub /boot/grub.
[18:19] <moderndayzero> ok because ive tried other emus linux based for nes snes sega etc and most have issues but i used the windiws ones through PoL and they worked fine. but i will try thankyou
[18:19] <epv> does 10.04 has gnome 3?
[18:19] <dunas> Is the ATI driver that restricted hardware is picking up safe to install yet, or should I wait?
[18:19] <ubu_user> epv, no - still Gnome2
[18:20] <epv> can I install gnome 3 in 10.04?
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/grub.d
[18:20] <Dr_Willis> is gnome-3 actually out yet? or are you refering to the 2.??? whatever it is called
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, odd;
[18:20] <Pici> gnome-shell
[18:20] <jbroome> lucid RC server install, both i386 and amd64 fail at different points when installing to ESX.  Packages not found on the iso, or grub install failed.  ISOs check out as ok with MD5sum
[18:21] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: It seems that my grub is in /boot/grub/menu.lst file.
[18:21] <dunas> gnome 3 is pretty interesting but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it so far. I'll probably wind up using it for a bit closer to its official release, I guess
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, that file isn't supposed to be edited by you;
[18:21] <jbroome> Didn't see anything in the release notes, or scanning the irc log for today.  known issue?
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, you can change it, but your changes will be clobbered the next time a kernel is updated
[18:21] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Ohhh.  How is it suppose to be edited?
[18:21] <ubu_user> dunas, gnome-shell took me a day to get used too (i really didn't like it initially), but once I got the hang of it, it's interesting
[18:22] <dunas> I appreciate what they're trying to do with it, I'm just not sure how well it'll work in practice.
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> is gnome shell finally installable? :)
[18:22] <ubu_user> dunas, gnome-shell if VERY similar to UNE interface
[18:23] <ubu_user> Dr_Willis, yes - a dependency that took FOREVER was fixed a little while ago
[18:23] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ files
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> ubu_user:  :) right on schedule.. heh
[18:24] <dunas> ubu_user, sorry, I don't know what you mean by UNE interface D:
[18:24]  * ubu_user is really ZykoticK9 at another location BTW
[18:24] <MariachiAC> Hello. i've tried booting the current lucid image. I'm on an amd machine amd athalon3400+ with 1 gig of ram. It has a sis video card which is at 128 megs. Ubuntu 9.10 boots however. What seems to be the problem?
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> netbook interface. is really nice in many ways.. slightly annoying in others.
[18:24] <ubu_user> dunas, Ubuntu Network Edition (previously Remix)
[18:24] <dunas> Oh, oh! Okay.
[18:24] <ubu_user> s/Network/Netbook
[18:24] <om26er> what is the name of the network manager of KDE (default)
[18:24] <dunas> Yeah, now that you mention it I can see the resemblance.
[18:25] <om26er> make that kubuntu
[18:25] <dunas> Are the ATI propietary drivers safe to install on 10.04 nightly, or is it still not updated?
[18:27] <c0vert> dunas: i use them
[18:27] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: /etc/default/grub doesn't exist.  /etc/grub.d/ are all script files.
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, you've got a borked install :)
[18:28] <theadmin> Can someone explain? It was running all slooooooooooooooow, and after fsck it got to normal speed. What could that be?
[18:28] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/grub.d are the script files which are used to generated that file in /boot/grub;  they _should_ detect everything correctly, but you can modify them to your needs as well
[18:28] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Ahhh, gotcha.
[18:28] <westinghouse> whats the release date of 10.4?
[18:29] <theadmin> westinghouse: 29.04.2010
[18:29] <ubu_user> !isitout
[18:29] <lucitu> An_Ony_Moose: update-grub
[18:29] <westinghouse> what time? pacific standard time?
[18:29] <jrib> westinghouse: "when it is ready"
[18:29] <theadmin> If it'd be out this channel would be dedicated to 10.10
[18:29] <ubu_user> westinghouse, the exact time is not know, and won't be
[18:29] <theadmin> westinghouse: GMT, I think
[18:30] <westinghouse> fascinating
[18:30] <dunas> 11:59 PM 10/29/10 PST
[18:30] <Pici> ...
[18:30] <lucitu> westinghouse: it's out though not officialy
[18:30] <Pici> lucitu: No, its not.
[18:30] <westinghouse> yeah i think its out
[18:30] <lucitu> just get the rc iso and then zsynch later
[18:31] <dunas> On a serious note the nightly is rock solid and I'm eagerly hoping the official update comes through clean tomorrow.
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> westinghouse, it's 10.04, not 10.4 (10.10 will be newer than 10.04, which is why the numbering matters :p)
[18:31] <westinghouse> yeah solid as a  rock, but i ask myself why samba 3.5 isnt on the release
[18:32] <lucitu> Pici: release iso are in testing
[18:32] <westinghouse> cause it uses smb 2.0 that performs much better compared to smb 1
[18:32] <Pici> lucitu: That doesn't mean that they're released.
[18:32] <theadmin> I dunno, the RC is pretty stable
[18:33] <lucitu> Pici: i said not officially
[18:33] <Fishscene> Samba 3.5 may not have been included in this release for many reasons.. be it stability, doesn't feel quite ready, etc..
[18:33] <lucitu> Pici: i bet u the release wud be timestamped 4/27
[18:33] <EdgEy> Anyone else having problems with fglrx on 10.04?
[18:33] <theadmin> They did include tha GRUB 2 on Karmic , alas I can't say it's ready even by now
[18:33] <EdgEy> edgey@blackbox:~$ fglrxinfo
[18:33] <EdgEy> Segmentation fault
[18:34] <Fishscene> Karmic wasn't an LTS release.
[18:34] <Fishscene> LTS (Long-Term Support) focuses on stability.
[18:34] <theadmin> Fishscene: I know. What I'm saying is that Karmic (and therefore Lucid), includes something which is imho far not ready
[18:35] <Pici> westinghouse: samba 3.5 isn't even in debian unstable, only experimental.  Thats not really something we would include on an LTS release.
[18:35] <theadmin> Pici: oh... that's how it is. I see.
[18:35] <Pici> theadmin: grub1 is deprecated.
[18:35] <theadmin> Pici: At least it made sense where is what with first one
[18:36] <cwillu_at_work> theadmin, that's because old grub can't boot ext4
[18:36] <theadmin> cwillu_at_work: Don't lie to me. I used ext4 on jaunty, and that has GRUB 1
[18:37] <cwillu_at_work> theadmin, until you have a kernel update that uses extents
[18:37] <westinghouse> i use btrfs, because i'm mad
[18:37] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[18:37] <Pici> Right, grub1 doesn't support booting off of a ext4 drive that has extents enabled?
[18:38] <EdgEy> noone else having problems with fglrx?
[18:38] <westinghouse> the gorgs doesnt support the fraggles yes
[18:38] <cwillu_at_work> theadmin, grub 1 can't boot every ext4 filesystem, which means it can't boot ext4.  It can only boot ext4 if that ext4 fs could be mounted as ext3
[18:38] <EdgEy> i have no hardware accel at all now
[18:38] <Pici> EdgEy: What video chipset are you using?
[18:38] <westinghouse> tseng et4000
[18:39] <EdgEy> Pici, HD4950
[18:39] <lucitu> what is the insmod ext2 for in GRUB2?
[18:40] <cwillu_at_work> lucitu, grub2 is module based, so that it can be extended with new filesystems and features
[18:40]  * cwillu_at_work pokes at theadmin with a pointy stick :p
[18:41] <Pici> EdgEy: Did this ever work for you in Lucid, or is this your first install?
[18:41] <EdgEy> Pici, i have been using the default driver until now
[18:42] <EdgEy> no problems but someone recommended I use fglrx for hardware accel on h.264
[18:42] <owner> What time does the Lucid coming ?
[18:42] <EdgEy> since I can't watch some high bitrate videos
[18:42] <theadmin> ...GRAH WHY DOES NO ONE EVER READ THE TOPIC. owner: April 29th, exact time unknown
[18:43] <ubu_user> owner, the time of release varies and isn't know before hand
[18:43] <owner> thank you
[18:43] <James_> Evening all
[18:44] <bmunger> my kubuntu plymouth theme looks terrible, when will that be fixed?
[18:45] <James_> Has anyone noticed these bugs, one being when first connecting to a wireless ap the mouse freezes? I had this in beta and rc. another one when a screensaver is enabled and you then activate the computer again it doesnt focus on the password box but if you type your password in anyway and hit return it lets you back to the desktop.
[18:45] <Pici> EdgEy: I'm looking, but at first glance it appears that fglrx doesn't support the HD49xx chipset
[18:45] <ubu_user> bmunger, are you using Nvidia Proprietary driver?  it defaults to 640x480
[18:45] <bmunger> ubu_user: yes
[18:45] <ubu_user> bmunger, it's possible to increase the resolution using framebuffer but probably isn't worth the effort
[18:46] <bmunger> ubu_user: thats terrible that something so obviously wrong is going to be in a lts release
[18:46] <ubu_user> bmunger, blame Nvidia for that one
[18:46] <bmunger> ubu_user: im sure canonical could have worked around it
[18:47] <ubu_user> bmunger, for most of Lucid's development nvidia-proprietary driver users only had text-plymouth, the fact we have GUI at all is wonderful
[18:47] <jbwiv> guys, I'm trying to add a new gnome panel to one of my desktops (I use twinview). I can create it, but it's locked...can't be dragged. This is in Lucid Beta. Is there a setting in gconf I should be looking for?
[18:48] <bmunger> ubu_user: but nvidia is the most popular gpu manufacturer, a lot of people are going to notice this
[18:49] <ubu_user> bmunger, then complain to Nvidia to get KMS (< or similar) into their binary drivers
[18:49] <ubu_user> bmunger, if you use Nouveau Plymouth looks great!
[18:49] <Pici> EdgEy: Accoring to both this link: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware#RADEON_HD and the PDF release notes that ATI releases with the fglrx driver, the 49xx chipset is not support :(
[18:49] <EdgEy> Pici, gah it's actually the 4870 anyway
[18:49] <bmunger> hmm
[18:49] <EdgEy> thinking of another build I did
[18:50] <EdgEy> the 4870 uses r700 chipset from what I can find and should be supported
[18:50] <bmunger> ubu_user: well ok thanks for at least confirming the issue
[18:52] <Pici> EdgEy: Oh. Then it should be supported...
[18:53] <jbwiv> can anyone recommend a good lm-sensors output display UI for Lucid?
[18:57] <jbwiv> guys, I'm trying to add a new gnome panel to one of my desktops (I use twinview). I can create it, but it's locked...can't be dragged. This is in Lucid Beta. Is there a setting in gconf I should be looking for?
[18:57] <EdgEy> Pici, i mean, i think it's more than it just not being supported, I shouldn't get a segfault :/
[18:58] <Vigo> jbwiv: I thought this was RC1 or better now.
[18:59] <jbwiv> Vigo, yes, you're right
[18:59] <jbwiv> I'm on the latest though
[18:59] <jbwiv> apt-get upgrade shows no new packages
[18:59] <Daijoubu> is ffmpeg for Lucid build with VDPAU?
[18:59] <jbwiv> yet, I can't drag a panel
[18:59] <Vigo> jbwiv: I did see a Lubuntu Beta 3 , apt-get upgrade and apt-get update?
[18:59] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, alt-drag
[18:59] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, VDPAU is only a playback option, not an encoding option
[19:00] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, alt-drag does nothing for me
[19:00] <cwillu_at_work> on the panel?  weird
[19:00] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, VDPAU is also only for Nvidia cards
[19:00] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, well here it says that mlt requires ffmpeg built with vdpau so that it can use vdpau for x.264 decoding http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/
[19:00] <amereservant> bug 571364
[19:00] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, yep, on the panel
[19:00] <jbwiv> does nothing
[19:00] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: ^^
[19:01] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, i'm just trying to figure out if it's enabled in lucid o-o
[19:01] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, \o/
[19:01] <amereservant> Got it filed.  ;)
[19:01] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, well, you can right-click and adjust it from properties, but you really should be able to alt-drag it around
[19:01] <amereservant> Now they can find someone to blame, probably me.
[19:02] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, ffmpeg in Lucid does NOT support the default audio (AAC) codec for MP4 files BTW - no idea what the ffmpeg+vdpau is talking about
[19:02] <ROBOd_> hello everyone
[19:02] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, changing the Orientation doesn't seem to work either
[19:02] <ROBOd_> where can i read documentation about the new init.d/skeleton?
[19:02] <jbwiv> it switches the orientation when the panel is (far left of screen), but doesn't move it properly
[19:02] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, true o_o that's why i'm using the medibuntu one so i can edit my h.264 with aac videos without any problems :p
[19:02] <ROBOd_> where can i see what i can put in the header of my scripts?
[19:02] <jbwiv> in other words, it changes it from vertical to horizontal when I select bottom, but it doesn't *move* it to the bottom
[19:03] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, hmm, something else is wrong then
[19:03] <cwillu_at_work> I don't have a lucid machine in front of me to test with though :(
[19:03] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, this was not a fresh install. I did upgrade, but I blew away the .gconf* directories before logging in so it should be clean
[19:03] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, ffmpeg is in medibuntu?  as that is where the problem/issue lies
[19:03] <jbwiv> can anyone else here running lucid see if you can create a new gnome panel and then drag it around?
[19:04] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, you hate nvidia card users and people who want to accelerate their decoding with vdpau or something ?!
[19:04] <ubu_user> jbwiv, can't confirm right now - but when i was running dual-monitors on Lucid I was certainly able to add panels and move them around
[19:04] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, try making a new user
[19:04] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, ok
[19:05] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, not at all - i'm one of those users!
[19:05] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, might be a permissions issue on one of the folders or some such
[19:05] <jbwiv> be back in a minute
[19:05] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, I gotta run, boss needs something :)
[19:05] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, i have my mplayer setup to use vdpau
[19:06] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, i'm trying to find out if it's possible to encode h.264 videos using vdpau as it will make my encoding not to lost 6h for a clip but 1h
[19:07] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, sorry man, i was totally unaware the VDPAU could be used for encoding as well as decoding.  I have no idea, best of luck man.
[19:08] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, i'm not use also o-o but under windows PowerDirector has an option to enable GPU acceleration exactly for x.264 encoding and i was wondering why this is not present in linux o-o
[19:08] <Daijoubu> *sure
[19:12] <C-S-B> has anyone got icedtea working in chromium? It worked in karmic
[19:14] <yofel> C-S-B: it doesn't show in about:plugins?
[19:14] <C-S-B> nope
[19:14] <C-S-B> ive copied and symlinked from firefox as well
[19:15] <C-S-B> no luck
[19:15] <C-S-B> just reinstalling ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:15] <yofel> that won't help, the plugin is in icedtea6-plugin
[19:16] <C-S-B> I know, its part of ubuntu-restricted-extras as well isnt it?
[19:16] <mapu> Good afternoon- am trying to upgrade to 10.4 from 9.10 using 'do-release-upgrade -d' and keep getting WARNING: Failed to read mirror file and server overloaded
[19:16] <yofel> u-r-e just pulls in icedtea6-plugin
[19:16] <yofel> it doesn't provide any files by itself
[19:16] <C-S-B> i know its not a proper pack, but im desperate
[19:16] <yofel> mapu: tried a different mirror?
[19:16] <C-S-B> any other ideas?
[19:17] <yofel> C-S-B: let me first install icedtea here first, I'm using sun usually
[19:17] <mapu> I tried 2- perhaps I need to try another- same mirror worked on my laptop
[19:17] <C-S-B> ok
[19:17] <mapu> (looking)
[19:18] <jbuncher> Can anyone help me figure out how to change the keybindings in Okular?  I want to change the inverse search keybinding from "Shift + click" to "middle click"
[19:19] <switchgirl> dacebook mozzilla fail....
[19:19] <switchgirl> can't update status etc
[19:20] <topyli> switchgirl, you're on ubuntu, you never have to go to the website! :)
[19:20] <DShepherd> anyone know where the plymouth configuration files are kept?
[19:20] <bricas> I've just upgraded from 9.10 -- does anyone have a how-to for moving my postgres 8.3 data to 8.4?
[19:21] <switchgirl> gwibber doesnt work
[19:21] <bjsnider> Daijoubu, it is not possible to use vdpau to encode. only to decode
[19:21] <ubu_user> bjsnider, thanks :)
[19:21] <yofel> jbuncher: I'm not sure what you mean, what does inverse search do?
[19:22] <C-S-B> yofel, im just so confused, it worked before upgrade.
[19:22] <Daijoubu> bjsnider, thank you o-o so if i want x.264 gpu accelerated encoding where can i turn to?
[19:23] <bjsnider> Daijoubu, nowhere that i know of
[19:23] <agronholm_> bricas, there's a tool specifically for that
[19:23] <switchgirl> also the status update box isn't there
[19:23] <agronholm_> bricas, pg_upgradecluster
[19:23] <bjsnider> i only know that stephen warren answered this question in the nvforums awhile ago
[19:23] <jbuncher> yofel, sorry, I should have provided more info.  When writing a latex document, you can make the dvi file (the file you view in okular) indexed so that you can "inverse search" and okular will then open up the text editor to the line that you clicked on for editing.
[19:23] <mapu> yofel - I've tried 3 different mirrors now.
[19:23] <bricas> agronholm_: ah-ha. i'll check that out. thank you!
[19:23] <DShepherd> topic
[19:23] <DShepherd> opps
[19:24] <mapu> interestingly- I get: Unable to read mirror file
[19:24] <mapu> and I also get the server overloaded error
[19:24] <topyli> switchgirl, the service is probably crashing again, like it tends to. kill gwibber-service and start gwibber again :(
[19:24] <jbuncher> switchgirl, what trouble are you having with gwibber?  It works for me using a tiwtter account.
[19:24] <Antiga> I'm having an issue with my fan working properly. It seems like the kernal isn't recognizing my hardware for some reason. Running Sensors-detect/ gwncontrol doesn't fix the problem. Also /proc/acpi/fan has nothing in it. Asus W7Sg Laptop.
[19:24] <mapu> I am able to install and update pakcages however
[19:24] <yofel> C-S-B: ok, give me a few more minutes to investigate this, the sun plugin shows up, icedtea not
[19:25] <isolat3dsh33p> hey guys, there's no ati catalyst control center for radeon in ubuntu 10.04?
[19:25] <amereservant> Can a mini install be done from the full install disk?  It cannot detect my network hardware and I'm not sure how to solve that in the mini install.
[19:25] <switchgirl> Signal "gwibber-service" not known.
[19:25] <switchgirl> sara@sara-desktop:~$ sudo kill -l gwibber-service
[19:25] <C-S-B> yofel, the sun plugin shows up in chromium?
[19:25] <yofel> C-S-B: it does here
[19:26] <C-S-B> yofel, well id be happy with that, but I had no luck.
[19:26] <topyli> switchgirl, just 'killall gwibber-service' should do
[19:28] <mickep> My creative usb speakers (model N400) works only randomly, say about 1/10 of the times I connect them. Filing a bug, what package should I point this to?
[19:28] <EdgEy> Is there some sort of help channel for restricted drivers? I have been struggling with this fglrx problem for hours now
[19:28] <ubu_user> C-S-B, this is how I got Sun Java working on 64 bit Chromium http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java
[19:30] <bricas> agronholm_: hrmm, it says my 8.3 cluster isn't running -- and running /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start does nothing (doesn't even print anything!)
[19:30] <agronholm_> strange...
[19:31] <yofel> I don't get how chromium looks for plugins... I removed the sun plugin from the alternatives selection but it still finds the plugin .so directly...
[19:31] <agronholm_> bricas, I've only used it once and I don't remember how it went back then
[19:31] <agronholm_> I upgraded from 8.2 to 8.3 then
[19:32] <BluesKaj> isolat3dsh33p, no there isn't afaik
[19:32] <isolat3dsh33p>  BluesKaj, so how to edit settings for radeon?
[19:33] <James_> BluesKaj, isolat3dsh33p - I have the catalyst control center?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> isolat3dsh33p, dunno yet , I'm still looking as well.
[19:33] <James_> Has anyone noticed these bugs, one being when first connecting to a wireless ap the mouse freezes? I had this in beta and rc. another one when a screensaver is enabled and you then activate the computer again it doesnt focus on the password box but if you type your password in anyway and hit return it lets you back to the desktop.
[19:34] <ratcheer> yofel: I don't exactly understand it, either. Last week, I installed a Java upgrade, removed the link to old plugin, added link to new one. It still used the old one until I deleted the old Java version. Then, it used the new one with no further changes. Weird.
[19:35] <bricas> agronholm_: dang. looks like 8.3 isn't even really installed...
[19:35] <yofel> heh
[19:35] <isolat3dsh33p> James_, I'm not sure what your hardware is, but radeon driver is installed with ubuntu 10.04. So you don't need to install propriety driver.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> James_, i haven't tried to install the center since there appear to be no options for my onboard x200m in the forums
[19:35] <James_> isolat3dsh33p, I used the proprietary driver
[19:35] <ratcheer> yofel: That was with Firefox, but I imagine it is a similar thing.
[19:36] <bricas> agronholm_: hrmm, maybe i can remove 8.4 and re-installed 8.3 somehow?
[19:36] <agronholm_> 8.4 and 8.3 can be installed concurrently
[19:36] <yofel> ratcheer: I know a bit about how firefox works, but now I'm confused as chromiums seems to work differently
[19:37] <chaoslynx> has anyone an idea how to resolve this bug<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:37] <yofel> bug 562924
[19:37] <ratcheer> yofel: Ok, I just thought your problem seemed very similar.
[19:37] <isolat3dsh33p> James_, i'm using the built in driver for radeon. No ati catalyst :(
[19:37] <BluesKaj> I was running a nvidia pci card but installed it in our media pc as another source for the tv
[19:38] <bricas> agronholm_: "Package postgresql-8.3 has no available version, but exists in the database."
[19:38] <James_> isolat3dsh33p, ahh
[19:38] <chaoslynx> i am trying to create a package of vpnc with openssl enabled, for some reason fakeroot chokes (the bug report is not mine but I have the same problem)
[19:39] <yofel> chaoslynx: maybe ask in #ubuntu-packaging, you'll find more testers there
[19:39] <chaoslynx> yofel: k
[19:39] <agronholm_> bricas, sorry, can't really help you there...
[19:39] <agronholm_> I only have them concurrently installed on hardy
[19:40] <James_> isolat3dsh33p, If i dont install the non free driver then my fans stay on all the time and kill my battery
[19:41] <isolat3dsh33p> James_, wow, so far I haven't notice such behavior. O_O
[19:41] <gorgonzola> hello peoples. got two bugs, and i want to know how to proceed...
[19:41] <C-S-B> ubu_user, tried those instructions, no luck.
[19:41] <gorgonzola> the first one is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/554948
[19:42] <BluesKaj> !bug | gorgonzola
[19:42] <gorgonzola> it says it was fixed, but i'm still seeing the incorrect behaviour. should i reopen that one, or open a new one?
[19:42] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj; thanks, but my question is more bureacratic then technical... :)
[19:43] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, hehe gotcha :)
[19:44] <gorgonzola> so... do i reopen that one?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> bbl, late lunch
[19:44] <ubu_user> C-S-B, don't know then, good luck.  Did you adapt them if you're using 32bit?
[19:44] <C-S-B> ubu_user, Im 64bit
[19:44] <C-S-B> ;)
[19:45] <ubu_user> C-S-B, good luck then.
[19:46] <Matterco>
[19:46] <Matterco> I am installing 10.04 on an new Intel Mac Mini. The install has been taking over an hour. The last 45 minutes has been on the purple haze screen with the mouse cursor only. The cursor oscillates between a pointer and the spinning icon. Is this to be expected? Or is the installation hung?
[19:48] <C-S-B> yofel, I have sun java working in chromium
[19:48] <dunas> What's the best way to go about fixing the click-not-registering problem in Flash?
[19:49] <amereservant> Anyone else having any issues with the full 64-bit install iso image?
[19:49] <jrib> amereservant: rc worked for me
[19:49] <amereservant> I get "Invalid or corrupt kernel image"
[19:49] <jrib> amereservant: did you check the md5sum?
[19:49] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, the LiveCD image?
[19:49] <amereservant> hmmm.  nope.