[00:01] <cjwatson> Could you take this to #ubuntu-bugs or similar, please?
[00:01] <phillw> pastebin.com/iNEUgVES
[00:03] <phillw> cjwatson: certainly, I just asked here in case one of you could give me what to bug report it against. My apologies. :(
[00:57] <phillw> cjwatson: xnox - my apologies.. old /home + new install = reset ~/.Xauthority, in my feeble defence, been 18 months since I was last bitten by that little critter.
[02:39] <ScottK> doko_: ^^^ That'll work with 3.2/3.3, so it should get in.
[09:03] <psivaa> The md5sum for the latest quantal-desktop-amd64 (20121017.5 i think) does not match that is listed in cdimage.u.c. Would someone be able to have a look please?
[09:06] <cjwatson> psivaa: It matches on cdimage.
[09:07] <Laney> can someone reject the old seahorse from quantal-proposed/unapproved please?
[09:07] <Laney> just in case
[09:07] <cjwatson> Laney: done
[09:08] <Laney> merci buckets
[09:12] <psivaa> cjwatson: it does indeed, not sure why our tests report they dont match. i'll have a look thanks
[10:31]  * cjwatson finishes his first pass at a "redirect-release-uploads" LP branch
[10:31] <cjwatson> (though also waiting for the DB branch to be reviewed and deployed)
[10:32] <infinity> Hrm.  Methinks we missed the "create raring in the partner archive" step.
[10:32] <infinity> Or, so apt tells me.
[10:33] <cjwatson> infinity: So, well
[10:33] <infinity> "Verify that the partner repository has been created on archive.canonical.com as a result of this process; if not, notify the Soyuz developers to fix it and check that this happens."
[10:33] <cjwatson> infinity: That got screwed by setting raring to frozen early
[10:33] <infinity> Ahh, that was one of the fallout issues from my oops?
[10:34] <cjwatson> infinity: I tried running publish-distro -A manually, and it republished a load of old series
[10:34] <cjwatson> infinity: so I screamed and reverted to a backup
[10:34] <cjwatson> infinity: I think the easiest way to fix this is likely to publish something irrelevant to raring/partner and then delete it
[10:34] <infinity> Or something relevant.
[10:35] <cjwatson> infinity: Just to force the publisher to do something (you might need to hold off on the deletion until after a publisher run)
[10:35] <infinity> I could just push vmware-view-client with a raring version.
[10:35] <cjwatson> infinity: If you have something, sure :)
[10:35] <infinity> Yeah, I'll just do that.
[10:37] <infinity> Hrm.  The painful decision between "working from the hotel to avoid distraction" and "going into the office to have bandwidth" really becomes apparent when I download massive sources.
[10:37]  * infinity turns the hand crank.
[10:43] <infinity> Ahh, but welcome to the bizzaro world of hotel networks, where my upstream is 10 times better than my downstream.
[10:56]  * infinity blinks at the /etc/os-release conffile prompt.
[10:56] <infinity> We *just* added that file in Q, how could we have messed it up already? :P
[10:57] <infinity> Oh, feh.  It wasn't a conffile in doko's upload.
[10:57] <infinity> So this needs migration magic.
[11:03] <Laney> 6
[11:04] <Laney> Yes. Six.
[11:14] <doko> infinity, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/120762889/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.python-pylibacl_0.5.1-1.1build1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz ?
[11:17] <infinity> doko: What machine was that on?
[11:17] <infinity> Erm.  Where did these new buildds come from?
[11:18] <doko> infinity, bukavac, alfirk, diphda
[11:18] <infinity> Yeah, those all use to be "virtual".
[11:18] <infinity> And they're misconfigured.
[11:18] <infinity> Hunting down.
[11:32] <infinity> cjwatson: partner fixed.
[11:36] <cjwatson> So it is.  Great, thanks.
[11:37] <cjwatson> Though raring seems to have fewer pockets than quantal does on archive.c.c.  Probably correctly, though ...
[11:37] <cjwatson> Series initialisation is confusing.
[11:37] <cjwatson> infinity: Any objections if I nuke r-series* from there?
[11:38] <infinity> cjwatson: Nope, I was just noticing that hilarity myself.
[11:38] <infinity> cjwatson: And the pocket thing is weird, since partner shouldn't have pockets AT ALL.
[11:38] <cjwatson> Done.
[11:38] <cjwatson> Yeah, I know.
[11:38] <infinity> cjwatson: Which means either someone fixed it, or it's accidentally doing it correctly now, and that's worrisome. :P
[11:39] <cjwatson> The accident is probably because only raring/partner was dirty.
[11:39] <infinity> cjwatson: But the others never should be.
[11:39] <cjwatson> If not for your oops, I'm pretty sure we'd have the unnecessarily full set.
[11:39] <infinity> cjwatson: So, maybe they're just cruft from IFP, and haven't been touched since...
[11:39] <cjwatson> Yeah, but series init doesn't rely on dirtiness
[11:40] <infinity> (And should all go away)
[11:40] <cjwatson> I doubt it's as simple as IFP; I suspect the fresh-series logic in the publisher is wrong.
[11:40] <infinity> Possibly that too.
[11:40] <infinity> I'm still all for nuking the other pockets.
[11:40] <infinity> After a quick verification that all the Packages files are empty, which they'd effin' better be.
[11:40] <cjwatson> Pockets are so hardcoded that I suspect IFP has nothing to do with them.
[11:41] <infinity> Any objections to such a tidy?
[11:41] <cjwatson> I don't object, but best talk to LP folks first, and it would probably be a good idea to fix the publisher so that they don't come back next time.
[11:42] <infinity> Well, let's see if they're all empty first.
[11:46] <infinity> Right, so, tons of 0-length files, as I'd assumed.  And all with timestamps of Apr 26, 16:15.  Was that the last IFP?
[11:47] <infinity> And going all the way back to breezy, which seems somewhat excessive.
[11:48] <cjwatson> First publisher run after the IFP of quantal, but yes.
[11:48] <infinity> Yeah, that's what I meant, but I'm a lazy typist. :P
[11:48] <cjwatson> Might have been the first time we relied on the new fresh-series logic.
[11:48] <infinity> Could be, since I don't remember partner being this... populous.
[11:48]  * cjwatson goes to remedy critical lack-of-coffee error.
[11:48] <infinity> Though, if it's taken 6 months to notice, I'm obviously not that observant.
[11:54] <infinity> feceti/win 47
[11:54] <infinity> Err.
[11:54] <infinity> My IRC client is revolting.
[11:58] <doko> is the publisher currently running?
[11:59] <infinity> doko: As in, right this second, or in general?
[12:00] <infinity> doko: It just finished running 4 minutes ago, and will run again in 3.
[12:00] <doko> in general, don't see updates, like the python3-tz promotion to main
[12:02] <doko> ok, did use the de archive mirror at release time, now switched back
[13:40] <xnox> doko: apparmor ^^^ =)
[14:33]  * cjwatson resolves conflicts in the transition tracker config; whoops
[14:33] <Laney> the horror
[14:35] <Laney> lsdiff !$
[14:35] <Laney> oops
[14:59]  * cjwatson unbreaks promote-to-release and tells britney to copy debootstrap for real
[15:18] <xnox> cjwatson: the second email is "funny" and "confusing" =)))) it's addressed to me and my "sponsor"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and attached changes file has "Sorry, changesfile not available."
[15:18] <xnox> and there is no indication where to the package moved.
[15:19] <cjwatson> Yeah, I know
[15:19] <cjwatson> bug 1069862 for the first part
[15:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1069862 in Launchpad itself "Need some way to copy without the copier ending up in From:" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069862
[15:20] <cjwatson> Feel free to file a bug about the second part
[15:20] <cjwatson> At the moment I'm just trying to make the whole thing work at all; prettiness is for the next iteration
[15:22] <cjwatson> Hmm, neither debootstrap nor apparmor appeared on raring-changes
[15:22] <cjwatson> Wonder why
[15:22] <xnox> cjwatson: hmm... if it's a copy, then it's a known issue that there are no changes files available.
[15:22] <xnox> same as for syncs, there are no changes files.
[15:22] <cjwatson> Sure, but it could synthesise the changes
[15:23] <cjwatson> They're in the database somewhere, after all
[15:23] <cjwatson> No reason LP has to expose *every* detail of its internal DB layout :-)
[15:23] <Laney> I asked for this when we first started doing API copies (for ubuntu-upload-history)
[15:23] <Laney> someone, I forget who, argued that it was a bad idea
[15:24] <cjwatson> Meh.  Dig that up and I'll pay attention to it if the argument is reasonable, otherwise I'll ignore it :)
[15:26] <cjwatson> (But, if nothing else, why include an attachment at all if it's only going to say "nee-ner you can't have it"?)
[15:30] <doko> python-apt failed to build on armel for the third time, given back now. (with different errors)
[15:30] <Laney> failed to find it
[15:30]  * Laney moves on with life
[15:31] <mvo> doko: with a error that makes sense?
[15:31] <doko> mvo, unreproducible GCC ICE
[15:31] <mvo> doko: ok
[15:31] <doko> the other one was a hang in the test suite
[15:32] <xnox> mod-wsgi is not public module - but plugins, but still fixed to build in raring.
[16:11] <xnox> dpkcd ~/
[16:11]  * xnox clearly didn't have focus where I thought it was
[16:22] <shadeslayer> hi, I was wondering if there's some sort of mirror redirector link that automatically redirects the user to his/her nearest iso mirror
[16:22] <shadeslayer> like how ubuntu does
[16:22] <shadeslayer> but I want it for Kubuntu
[16:23] <stgraber> ubuntu.com uses the list of mirrors from Launchpad, though flavours aren't on releases.ubuntu.com so there's no such list for cdimage mirrors (and not that many mirrors I believe)
[16:30] <doko> pyzmq/i386 ftbfs on the buildd, succeeds locally
[18:51] <stgraber> For 13.04 I'll be re-organizing the Edubuntu DVD image a tiny bit by moving all our squashfs files under casper/ (we'll ship three of them in 13.04). To achieve that, I need to move our current ltsp squashfs to the new location without breaking 12.04 as we're doing LTS releases.
[18:51] <stgraber> I came up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/1300855/ which should do the trick, but I'm happy to hear about less hackish solutions
[18:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: looks fine, though my personal tendency is to leave such guards in place permanently by way of a kind of documentation
[18:56] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok. I'll drop the FIXME and just make it a standard comment saying that as of 13.04 we're moving all the squashfses into casper/
[20:01] <shadeslayer> stgraber: re mirrors, drat
[20:01] <shadeslayer> IIRC there was a redirector sometime ago, but maybe that expired
[20:01] <stgraber> well, kubuntu used to be on releases.ubuntu.com but that changed fairly recently
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ah, I guess that makes sense then ...
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ( move was most likely due to us moving to a community maintained flavor )
[20:04] <stgraber> yeah, that and pretty limited disk space on the releases mirrors
[20:06] <shadeslayer> righto, its just that someone mirroring Kubuntu ISO's wanted to know why Kubuntu did not do mirror redirects
[22:07] <xnox> Please accept psycopg2 and python-cups into raring-proposed
[22:07] <xnox> doko ^ =))))
[22:10] <infinity> xnox: Hahaha.  <3 for the bash-completion fix.  Did you forward that to Debian?
[22:11] <xnox> infinity: =))))) Yeah I got pissed at hitting tab and diverted my anger into upload......
[22:12] <xnox> infinity: yeah I could. I need to forward a few patches from todays uploads.
[22:12] <infinity> Oh, indeed.
[22:12] <infinity> +Forwarded: not yet
[22:13] <infinity> I'm not sure "not yet" is one of the documented states for that field, but I like it.
[22:13] <infinity> "Forwarded: I'll get to it, stop nagging."
[22:13] <knome> that's the documented state?
[22:14] <infinity> The documented states are "no", "yes", and "not needed", I believe. :P
[22:14] <infinity> But I like "not yet".
[22:14] <infinity> I'd also accept "maybe, depends on your temporal view".
[22:14] <xnox> I submitted a branch into lp:session-indicator it got "approved" but jenkins ci rejected it because merge proposal did not have commit message set in lp.net metadata..... wtf =)
[22:14] <knome> what about "workforce welcome"
[22:16] <xnox> knome: no, worforce is not welcome in this case =)
[22:16] <knome> :)
[22:48] <doko> cjwatson, am I allowed to copy xnox's python related uploads from raring-proposed to raring?
[22:49] <xnox> doko: in part, I am being a tester for cjwatson's britney runs =)
[22:49] <xnox> he did a few today.
[22:49] <doko> xnox, ohh, nice, so please test =)
[22:51] <bdmurray> infinity: I've done the verification of bug 1070542 depending on how you feel about waiving the aging period
[22:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070542 in apport-symptoms (Ubuntu Precise) "not possible to use ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core on precise" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070542
[22:53] <xnox> doko: join in on the spam^W fun and upload to -proposed =)
[22:54] <infinity> bdmurray: Yeah, done.  It's not like upgrader things get "tested" in any meaningful way by aging in proposed anyway.


[18:06] <Kwisher_wrk> started getting a "all tuners busy" error last night after installing the latest updates from .27 fixes
[21:14] <tgm4883> Kwisher, do you somehow have 2 instances of mythbackend running?
[21:17] <Kwisher> tgm4883: checking now
[21:17] <Kwisher> how can that happen?
[21:17] <tgm4883> Kwisher, it shouldn't be able to
[21:18] <tgm4883> well, it could if something else started it
[21:18] <tgm4883> but using the upstart scripts, it shouldn't be able to happen
[21:19] <Kwisher> did a service mythtv-backend stop and nothing myth related is running
[21:19] <tgm4883> Kwisher, do 'ps aux | grep mythbackend'
[21:21] <Kwisher> kevin     7147  0.0  0.0   9440   908 pts/1    S+   16:20   0:00 grep --color=auto mythbackend
[21:21] <tgm4883> that looks right
[21:21] <tgm4883> anything in the backend logs after you start it?
[21:24] <Kwisher> no errors that i see
[21:25] <tgm4883> hmm
[21:25] <tgm4883> Go into watch tv and see if you still get the error or if anything is in the backend log
[21:26] <Kwisher> problem seems to have started after update yesterday
[21:28] <Kwisher> mythweb is also having issues
[21:28] <tgm4883> Kwisher, so nothing gets printed in the backend log when you try to go to live tv?
[21:30] <Kwisher> just tried to start livetv and it haung, all tuners busy shows, nothing in log
[21:32] <Kwisher> brb, need a smoke, wife is stressing me out over this :(
[21:45] <Kwisher> rebooted the master be and now livetv starts
[21:46] <Kwisher> mythweb is behaving correctly
[21:46] <superm1> so just transient fun it sounsd like
[21:47] <Kwisher> no fun when wife can't watch tv
[21:55] <Kwisher> now mythweb is sluggish
[21:56] <Kwisher> maybe it's a db issue??
[21:59] <superm1> mythweb code hasn't changed in a while. https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commits/fixes/0.27  if it's a regression, you can see what's changed here: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/fixes/0.27
[21:59] <superm1> you can try to do a repair/optimize of your DB if you think it's a DB issue
[22:01] <Kwisher> livetv just hung
[22:02] <Kwisher> log shows: I HDHRStreamHandler tv_rec.cpp:3393 (RingBufferChanged) TVRec[1]: RingBufferChanged()


[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:23] <valorie> acheron88: I never got a chance to talk to you yesterday -- if you are worried that we (kubuntu) aren't doing well, please step up and help out
[11:10] <clivejo> whats up devs and devesses?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:26] <clivejo> hi DalekSec
[15:26] <DalekSec> Howdy.
[15:26] <clivejo> even DarinMiller
[15:26] <clivejo> sorry :/
[15:33] <sgclark> morning
[15:50] <clivejo> good morning sgclark
[15:50] <clivejo> how are you today?
[16:18] <DarinMiller> hi clivejo
[16:21] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller, how are you?
[16:24] <DarinMiller> Very good thanks.
[16:27] <DarinMiller> clivejo: Just finished a fresh install of 16.04 on my main desktop. Added landing ppa and misc packages.  I think I have my pack enviro all setup.
[16:30] <DarinMiller> I have both xenial and wiley pbuild enviros.  I am not sure but I think my bzr setup complete. However if I attempt bzr branch lp: ~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks with my username configured, I get a permissions denied (publickey).
[16:31] <DarinMiller> bzr seem to run fine without my username, but I do not know how to veify as I don't know what to do with bzr yet.
[16:31] <DarinMiller> so reading thru https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[16:31] <clivejo> you can just download them manually
[16:31] <clivejo> thats what I did
[16:32] <clivejo> Im not a fan of bzr
[16:40] <DarinMiller> I don't quite understand the .pbuilderrc config to distro specific different ppa's.  I see this section, but am unsure how to configure.... # Append a project suffix to the chroot name to allow seperate chroots for # e.g. different PPAs
[16:45] <clivejo> sometimes you might need add different PPA's to build a package
[16:46] <clivejo> especially if you are staging
[16:49] <DarinMiller> understand the concept, just unsure how to set the ppa's in .pbuilderrc


[00:48] <yggdrasil> hi can somone tell me if its poosible to run a a pre .32 kernel on mythbuntu from the repo,, and to complicate things im on a 64 bit processor
[00:49] <yggdrasil> but if i can just run say for instacne 2.6.32-22 my remote would work great
[00:50] <yggdrasil> but if i can just run say for instacne 2.6.31-22 my remote would work great
[00:50] <yggdrasil> even
[00:56] <yggdrasil> ehm bbl try to keep this thing online. in case anyone sees my ....
[03:48] <quinten> hi--i just installed mythbuntu 10.10--mythweb isn't working
[03:48] <quinten> i checked htaccess.log and i see an error about a missing translate.php file
[03:50] <quinten> okay never mind--the google helped me
[13:44] <Azelphur> Anyone know if there's a way to force fan art on a folder?
[13:44] <Azelphur> You can force the folder icon with folder.jpg inside that dir, but I can't figure out how to force fan art/background image
[15:41] <castlec> does anyone know how to fix squished playback in myth?
[17:32] <tgm4883> castlec, you need to fix the aspect ratio
[17:33] <castlec> i found it. thanks :)
[20:28] <mothy> hi
[20:28] <mothy> is there an easy way to transcode everything to xvid?
[20:33] <mothy> is mythexport good?
[21:31] <rhpot1991> mothy: you could make mythexport do that, but its meant more for making recordings available to portable devices
[21:31] <rhpot1991> through an RSS feed and such
[21:57] <mothy> yea i've been trying that and getting lost, it would be cool if someone could hold my hand on this, or give me some sort of direction
[22:03] <rhpot1991> mothy: grab the example config here: http://www.baablogic.net/mythexport/
[22:03] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] MythExport
[22:03] <rhpot1991> then you will need to replace the ffmpeg line with one for making xvid
[22:04] <rhpot1991> you are going to have to do some work to replace your existing recordings though
[22:04] <rhpot1991> it doesn't do anything like that by default
[22:12] <nick2day> hey guys
[22:59] <rhpot1991> !ask | nick2day
[22:59] <Zinn> nick2day: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[23:03] <nick2day> I wasn't asking anything... I was just saying hi teehee... I'm fudging around with a new remote and getting LIRC set up... figured I'd pop in to see if I could help anyone else... since I"m sitting here anyway
[23:10] <rhpot1991> ah ok nick2day


[00:26] <MraAlbertina> hi. how could i force the use of VESA on one machine? ubuntu 12.10
[00:29] <MraAlbertina> i mean on boot, trough grub
[02:44] <Fieldy> i installed roundcube, but I don't see anythying under /var/www related to it... did i miss something? i read all the output after install
[02:46] <patdk-lap> cause that isn't how ubuntu does things
[02:47] <patdk-lap> it got spread out and installed all over the place
[02:47] <patdk-lap> normally why I don't bother using ubuntu packaged web apps
[02:47] <patdk-lap> normally it will have like apache include a config from /etc/roundcube to do it
[02:49] <Fieldy> okay yeah that lead me to find it's actually installed in /var/lib and wants me to set up an alias to a url pattern which will point it there -- that is really odd
[02:57] <Fieldy> yea. this is messy... will mess with it more tomorrow. i already see a manual install in my future.
[04:07] <qman__> Fieldy, it automatically sets up a web directory and everything, all you have to do is turn it on
[04:07] <qman__> it might already be on, try visiting http://your.server/roundcube/
[10:18] <Catbuntu> hi
[11:11] <pelle2> hi
[11:12] <pelle2> doesn anyone have any idea of what causes this: booting with a certain usb-disk (not from it, just attached) does not work IF i do not have a monitor connected to the server
[11:12] <pelle2> if i have a monitor attached, the system boots
[11:12] <pelle2> if i remove that specific usb-disk, i can boot fine without a monitor attached
[11:12] <pelle2> ?!
[11:13] <ioria> i'd like to know if ISPConfig is necessary to install a full Ubuntu server ... (i'm preatty new about this) ? tx
[13:52] <Halite> I'd like to run a server on Ubuntu. How
[14:00] <andol> Halite: In this context, how do you define a server?
[14:56] <sliddjur> how do i change rep in cli?
[14:56] <sliddjur> i have a virtual server at my uni, and they use their own rep. and i cant dist upgrade. stuck on 10.10
[14:57] <sliddjur> if there are a swedish/nordic repositorie i'd be happy :)
[15:16] <qman__> sliddjur, in ubuntu, dist-upgrade stays with the same release version, use "do-release-upgrade" to upgrade to a newer release
[15:17] <qman__> sliddjur, that said, to change the repositories, you need to edit them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:17] <qman__> also, I'm pretty sure 10.10 is end of life now
[15:17] <qman__> !eol
[15:19] <sliddjur> qman__: crap.. i dropped connection on release upgrade.
[15:19] <sliddjur> what now
[15:20] <qman__> did it start actually upgrading yet? it should have started a screen/SSH session on a high port for your to reconnect to
[15:20] <sliddjur> yes, it disced when I was supposed to answer if i wanted to keep bash settings
[15:21] <sliddjur> i can still connect on same port.. but can i get back to my other session somehow? i can see it on pts/0
[15:21] <sliddjur> *** bash.bashrc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? Write failed: Broken pipe
[15:22] <qman__> sudo screen -d -r
[15:22] <sliddjur> dont have screen
[15:23] <sliddjur> and apt-get is now locked
[15:23] <qman__> well, you can kill off the process
[15:23] <qman__> did it do a lot yet?
[15:24] <sliddjur> qman__: yeah kind of
[15:24] <sliddjur> qman__: can i pause a process?
[15:24] <sliddjur> 18098 pts/1    00:00:00 dpkg
[15:25] <qman__> dpkg locks the database until it's done, the way to get out of it is to kill the process and then do a dpkg --configure -a
[15:25] <qman__> but in this case you probably don't want that
[15:25] <qman__> I would kill the process and try to apt-get install screen
[15:25] <qman__> then try to do-release-upgrade again
[15:26] <qman__> rather, screen do-release-upgrade
[15:27] <sliddjur> qman__: cant "move" process to my new connection?
[15:27] <qman__> no
[15:27] <qman__> it has to have already been set up to do so, with screen
[15:27] <sliddjur> ok.
[15:30] <sliddjur> qman__: i had to run dpkg --configure -a.
[15:30] <sliddjur> qman__: and now it continues where i was cut off :o
[15:32] <sliddjur> qman__: seems like it actually just finished release upgrade! wohoo
[15:35] <qman__> great
[15:36] <patdk-lap> ya, I have killed do-release-upgrade in the middle
[15:36] <patdk-lap> doing dpkg/apt-get  manually, and restarting do-release-upgrade suprissingly restarted it just fine for me
[15:37] <qman__> yeah, it's a surprisingly resilient process
[15:37] <qman__> I had one break in the middle but I don't remember how I resolved it, it did work out
[17:27] <sliddjur> I need to open one port for a specific IP in iptables, whats the command?
[17:27] <sliddjur> tcp
[17:30] <Armenia> hi
[17:40] <sliddjur> can someone port scan one ip for me?
[17:41] <sliddjur> nmap <IP_ADDRESS> -p5666
[18:05] <Tzunamii> sliddjur: http://nmap.online-domain-tools.com/
[18:06] <Tzunamii> Black belt in google-fu is a beautiful thing
[21:51] <rwb> Hi, I am having a problem with a server (ubuntu 12.04) getting past grub.  It is frozen on "Starting up ..."  It has just been through a long fsck..  How can I get it to boot?
[22:49] <Quest> hi
[22:49] <Quest> when a visiter visits a page. what information can be grabbed of the user? ie its ip,  operating system? what else? can a unique identification of its browser be grabbed or its mac address of his system and not the network router/swtich behind which it is?
[22:53] <shauno> Quest: you might find https://panopticlick.eff.org  interesting.  but no, you won't get a mac address.  you'll have the mac address of the last router on the path to you.  usually your own router.
[22:55] <stgraber> not completely true, you can get the MAC address of the visitor if you're using IPv6 without privacy extensions (as EUI64 addresses contain the MAC address in the last 64bits)
[22:57] <patdk-lap> shauno, that assumes his uplink uses ethernet
[22:57] <shauno> well, it's a safer assumption than ipv6 at this point :)
[23:04] <Quest> shadeslayer,  stgraber  ipv4 dont show mac?
[23:05] <stgraber> Quest: they don't, only the router closest to the source knows the MAC and the information isn't passed on
[23:05] <patdk-lap> mac is only used on the local *ethernet* cable
[23:06] <stgraber> not only ethernet, infiniband can also be used to carry IP packets and does have MAC addresses too, which is why I didn't limit my statement to ethernet
[23:07] <patdk-lap> infiniband doesn't use mac, except if using ethernet emulation on infiband
[23:07] <patdk-lap> but ya, it's not used for t1, ax25, ....
[23:07] <Quest> you said you can get the MAC address of the visitor if you're using IPv6 without privacy extensions (as EUI64 addresses contain the MAC address in the last 64bits)
[23:07] <Quest> stgraber, ^
[23:08] <stgraber> Quest: correct
[23:08] <Quest> so it will give mac of machine to the http server?
[23:08] <stgraber> for example, if you get a connection from 2607:f2c0:f00f:2700:2677:3ff:fe89:87bc, you can find that my MAC address is 24:77:03:89:87:bc
[23:09] <patdk-lap> you have to assume ff:fe means that, and not someone that just used that in their ip
[23:09] <patdk-lap> it's a pretty good guess though, currently
[23:10] <patdk-lap> I have no idea why people love mac addresses though
[23:10] <Quest> the ipv6 isnt the routers ipv6 incase the request(s) are coming from a network behind that router?
[23:10] <stgraber> usually not, until very recently IPv6 didn't have NAT and most implementations still don't use NAT (and as far as I'm concerned, really really shouldn't)
[23:10] <patdk-lap> the only thing guarrenteed (and not if using nat) is the ip address
[23:11] <Quest>  the ipv6 isnt the routers ipv6 incase the request(s) are coming from a network behind that router?  or the ip of the router will be sent for all requests?
[23:11] <patdk-lap> stgraber, using a lot of ipv6 nat for ipsec networks between our clients
[23:11] <stgraber> IPv6 has so many addresses that using NAT just causes pain. However most operating systems nowadays (including Ubuntu) use privacy extensions by default to avoid the issue of making everyone easy to track by just looking at the last 64bits of an IPv6
[23:13] <stgraber> patdk-lap: I never found any case where I really needed IPv6 NAT, I've had a few cases where I found it useful to use some of the non-routable (RFC1918-equivalent) addresses for point to point VPN links but the rest I always managed with properly designing the network so that everything is properly routed (even if some paths are routed over VPNs)
[23:13] <patdk-lap> yes, that assumes you can manage it
[23:13] <Quest> so theres no real way for tracking a pc uniquly that is using pv4 and is behind  a router?
[23:13] <patdk-lap> like I said, ipsec vpn between are clients networks, out of our control
[23:13] <stgraber> one case where NAT will likely be used is for tethering on cell phones as doing on-demand prefix delegation for those is rather tricky and most providers probably won't bother
[23:15] <stgraber> Quest: right. For http you can get away with some clever javascript+cookies combination like google and other ad agencies do, but it's not that easy and web browsers often evolve making it harder and harder (as far as I'm concerned, this is a very good thing, I don't like being tracked :))
[23:23] <Quest> hm
[23:23] <Quest> thanks
[23:24] <Quest> stgraber,  thats contrary in pv6 right?


[04:23] <HaPK_PerCar> I'm having problems with ubuntu one... whenever I try to sync my files in this computer they end up having a *.u1conflict extension, and the Xorg process eats up half my processor... What can I do?
[04:23] <HaPK_PerCar> oh and nautilus crashes every time
[11:48] <mongy> nice, taking about 5mins tho but I moved my files into a subfolder and its not re-uploading them:)
[14:58] <Aikar> I bought music last night from the Ubuntu One Store in Rythymbox, and under My Downloads some are still stuck on "Transferring to your Ubuntu One Storage", most say download complete, yet none of the music is under "Purchased from Ubuntu One". I have ~/.local/share/ubuntuone symlinked to /media/altmedia/Music/UbuntuOne/ and i have first 2 songs purchased in there and playable under the group.
[15:03] <leonel>  Hello is there any known bug for Ubuntu one on Natty  Someone shared me a folder on Lucid is shared but on Natty still does not show but sync is working
[15:03] <Aikar> oh crap its in .ubuntuone/Purchased where they auto sync too, but rythymbox looks at .local/share/?
[15:05] <Aikar> ok got that symlink updated and now they appear.
[15:32] <duanedesign> hello leonel
[15:33] <duanedesign> leonel: ok, you are having trouble with a shared folder. Let me see if i can find any bug reports.
[15:34] <beuno> leonel, so, shared folders aren't auto-downloaded in natty
[15:34] <beuno> but if you open the control panel
[15:34] <beuno> you can enable syncing it
[15:35] <beuno> this is so you can have shares and folders that don't sync everywhere
[15:35] <duanedesign> beuno: cool. That is a nice feature
[15:36] <beuno> duanedesign, yeah, although I wonder if it's clear enough for people   :/
[15:40] <leonel> beuno: Great .. It's syched now   Thank you
[15:43] <duanedesign> /14/14
[15:43] <duanedesign>
[15:43] <duanedesign>
[15:43] <duanedesign>
[15:45] <duanedesign> oops
[15:45] <duanedesign> leonel: great
[22:45] <jeremybub> Hello, I would very much like to run the Ubuntu One music store plugin for Rhythmbox on Debian,  What would be the best way of doing that?
[23:09] <duanedesign> jeremybub: hello
[23:13] <duanedesign> jeremybub: looking at the package dependencies for rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store package you would basically end up installing Ubuntu One
[23:19] <duanedesign> jeremybub: you can see this askubuntu post for details about running Ubuntu One on Debian http://askubuntu.com/questions/10271/is-running-ubuntu-one-on-debian-possible


[02:33] <nigelb> jcastro / AlanBell: Haha, good job! :P
[02:51] <nigelb> Good morning!
[07:07] <jono> cjohnston, you around?
[07:35] <jono> no dholbach yet?
[07:42] <jussi> Havent seen him yet
[07:43] <AlanBell> reading his article on OMG though
[07:55] <czajkowski> jono: go to bed you loonatic
[07:55]  * jono hugs czajkowski
[07:55] <jono> just wrapping some emails
[07:56] <czajkowski> jono: you can tell your wife is MIA you're on here at silly o;clock
[07:56]  * czajkowski hugs jono
[07:57] <jono> :-)
[07:57] <jono> I also have a boatload of work to do
[07:57] <jono> been working from 8am until midnight most days recently
[07:57] <jono> lots to get on with
[07:58] <czajkowski> jono: mother of god you loon. you'll go bald from that.... :p
[07:58] <jono> I think that ship has sailed
[07:58] <jono> lol
[07:58] <czajkowski> heh
[07:59] <jono> alright, nuff mail
[07:59] <jono> going to bed
[08:00] <jono> shame, I wanted to catch up with dholbach before I went to bed
[08:00] <czajkowski> nn
[08:00] <czajkowski> he's usually on way before now
[08:01] <jono> yeah, maybe he got caught up in something
[08:01] <jono> no biggie
[13:30] <dholbach> jussi, I had no idea Oulu was the "world capital of air guitar" :-P
[13:33] <daker> dholbach: what's the name of the package for the "elementtree" ?
[13:34] <dholbach> daker: python itself (at least since 2.6, I think)
[13:34] <dholbach> daniel@daydream:~$ dlocate elementtree
[13:34] <dholbach> python2.7: /usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/_elementtree.so
[13:34] <dholbach> daniel@daydream:~$
[13:35] <daker> ah
[13:36] <daker> good thanks dholbach
[13:36] <dholbach> de rien
[13:55] <mhall119> dholbach: btw, your xss error on summit was fixed over the weekend
[13:56] <dholbach> yep, nigelb told me :)
[13:56] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[13:56] <mhall119> np
[14:18] <akgraner> what channel does the dx team hang out in ayatana???? or something else - I need to find out who to talk to about lenses...
[14:23] <jcastro> #ayatana
[14:23] <jcastro> lenses is njpatel
[14:24] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks - but I already interviewed him...hmmm
[14:25] <jcastro> jason does the launcher
[14:26] <jcastro> he interviews well and has a neckbeard
[14:26] <akgraner> well there is a winning combineation
[14:26] <paultag> neckbeard ftw
[14:26] <akgraner> combination even
[14:27] <akgraner> yeah it's for the next issue of Ubuntu User Magazine
[14:27] <jcastro> paultag: are you going to OLF
[14:27] <paultag> jcastro: I don't know. Are you?
[14:27] <paultag> I'm registered, but I don't have time off work and I've not booked a flight
[14:27] <jcastro> I am in Florida
[14:28] <jcastro> but I conned Jason to go in my stead
[14:28] <paultag> jcastro: and I'm in Boston :)
[14:28] <jcastro> oh right, I forgot
[14:28] <paultag> I'd like to go, I miss everyone tons
[14:28] <paultag> but I'm not sure it'll work out
[14:35] <mhall119> I think Boston is still closer to Ohio than Boca Raton
[14:37] <jcastro> paultag: yeah it's not feasable for me to go
[14:37] <jcastro> too many flights this year already and down to 1 car
[14:38] <jcastro> paultag: I will miss amber's scientology speech though
[14:38] <akgraner> :-P
[14:38] <akgraner> I'll record one just for you all and send it to you!
[14:38] <jcastro> heh
[14:38] <jcastro> I will miss getting called out because our webpages don't mention linux
[14:39] <mhall119> scientology speech?
[14:39] <mhall119> I somehow missed that one
[14:40] <jcastro> mhall119: amber sells ubuntu the same way people sell amway
[14:40] <jcastro> :p
[14:40] <mhall119> lol
[14:40] <paultag> jcastro: hahaha
[14:40] <jcastro> if we ever do commercials
[14:40] <jcastro> we need to do the "for just 35 cents a day, the cost of a cup of coffee"
[14:40] <jcastro> dholbach: hey if you want to g+ a few minutes early I can show you the rest of the sponsorship stuff
[14:40] <jcastro> and we can make fun of jono for a while if you want
[14:40] <mhall119> "But wait! Download now and you can get 2 copies!
[14:41] <jcastro> Buy now and we'll also send you 5 free gigs of file storage
[14:41] <mhall119> and of course we have to be overly dramatic about how aweful Windows is
[14:41] <dholbach> jcastro, currently looking into something else - can we g+ after our team call?
[14:42] <paultag> OK, So. I don't know if the LP'ers are going to hate me or like me
[14:42] <paultag> I wrote a binding to launchpadlib in PHP. I call it LaunchPHPLib
[14:42] <mhall119> "Other operating systems frustrating to use" (show someone double-click a desktop icon, then Chuck Norris comes in and drop-kicks their puppy, user: "Why does windows always do that?"
[14:42] <paultag> seems to work OK here, perhaps I'll publish it once it's stableish
[14:43] <mhall119> paultag: PHP + lazr?  You just made the world a slightly more horrible place :(
[14:43] <paultag> mhall119: no lazr
[14:43] <mhall119> oh, then maybe not so bad
[14:43] <paultag> it's from scratch, and it's only OK
[14:43] <paultag> which is why I'm not pushing it out yet
[14:44] <mhall119> I was gonna say, that doesn't sound up to your standards
[14:44] <paultag> mhall119: http://pastebin.com/fTjjRmav
[14:44] <paultag> mhall119: looks fairly OK when you use it, though
[14:44] <mhall119> I'm sitting on a response to your blog post, need to finish it up
[14:44] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[14:45] <paultag> and it runs - http://pault.ag/fluxbox/debian
[14:45] <paultag> just very slowly
[15:05] <jcastro> dholbach: we have a team call today?
[15:05] <dholbach> I thought so, yes
[15:17]  * dholbach summons bacon
[15:23] <dholbach> jcastro, started the hangout
[15:23] <jcastro> ok
[15:23] <jcastro> coming
[15:23] <dholbach> dpm, ^
[15:24] <jussi> dholbach: when did you find out?
[15:24] <dholbach> jussi, there was an article in a german newspaper
[15:24] <dpm> dholbach, thanks for the heads up. I think unless jono wants me to be there I'll skip today's call
[15:24] <jussi> dholbach: hehe, yeah, it was like last weekend or somethign
[15:25] <jussi> I missed it, was away
[15:25] <dholbach> jussi, http://www.zeit.de/sport/2011-08/luftgitarre-wm-westphal-oulu/komplettansicht depending on how good your german is
[15:26] <jussi> dholbach: nowhere near that good.
[15:48] <jcastro> mhall119: nigelb
[15:48] <jcastro> hey I have a brainstorm
[15:48] <nigelb> hi
[15:48] <jcastro> I was just thinking
[15:48] <nigelb> ohno
[15:48] <nigelb> :P
[15:48] <jcastro> why not have all the sponsorship data in summit
[15:49] <nigelb> we do right?
[15:49] <jcastro> just directly go into a google spreadsheet?
[15:49] <nigelb> ah.
[15:49]  * nigelb can look into that.
[15:49] <nigelb> do you want to file a bug?
[15:49] <nigelb> oh, daniel already did.
[16:05] <jcastro> nigelb: he wants an export
[16:05] <jcastro> I was just thinking why even bother with that
[16:05] <nigelb> jcastro: I checked out the google API.
[16:06] <jcastro> just directly plug into gdocs via the g api
[16:06] <nigelb> We have to export to a tmp folder and then import that into the gapi
[16:07] <jcastro> k
[16:07] <jcastro> hey james_w
[16:07] <jcastro> or actually, nigelb you might know this too
[16:07] <james_w> hey jcastro
[16:07] <jcastro> let's pretend UDS wants to have normal plenaries
[16:07] <jcastro> 15 minutes x 4 after lunch
[16:08] <jcastro> but linaro wants to do 2x30 in the morning the hour before the start of work
[16:08] <nigelb> PAINFUL.
[16:08] <jcastro> yeah that's what I gathered
[16:08] <nigelb> Both share the same slots
[16:08] <mhall119> jcastro: we haven't had the time to separate UDS from Linaro
[16:08] <jcastro> a slot is either plenary or session across the board
[16:08] <jcastro> right
[16:08] <nigelb> So that's going to be extremely challenging.
[16:08] <nigelb> Especially since we use the same rooms.
[16:09] <mhall119> jcastro: if we had the functionality to treat them as different summits, we could do that
[16:09] <jcastro> yeah
[16:09] <jcastro> but I guess we're supposed to keep them together
[16:09] <nigelb> jcastro: if you can do - Linaro: you have rooms X, Y, Z. UDS - You have rooms A, B, C, we could just run seprate instances
[16:11] <mhall119> jcastro: if we get the code done, they can have separate schedules, but share rooms and attendees
[16:11] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:12] <mhall119> but it's not looking like we're going to have enough time to properly implement that for UDS-P :(
[16:13] <dholbach> alright, I'll call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:18]  * mhall119 is all registered for UDS-P \o/
[16:19] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[16:19] <nigelb> mhall119: :( I wonder if I'll be able to be there remotely.
[16:20] <mhall119> why wouldn't you?
[16:20] <nigelb> timezone suckiness.
[16:20] <dholbach> bye :)
[16:20] <mhall119> timezone awesomeness you mean, it won't even interfere with your working hours
[16:20] <mhall119> you just have to give up sleep for 5 days
[16:21] <nigelb> heh
[16:22] <daker> LoL
[16:22] <nigelb> mhall119: Not like you guys sleep much anyway.
[16:23] <nigelb> We slept at 12 on most days I think.
[16:24] <nigelb> jcastro: Excellent suggestion for karaoke night - Never gonna let you go.
[16:24] <nigelb> Friend just rick rolled the entire bar :P
[16:25] <jussi> hhahahaha
[16:25] <jussi> did you guys ever notice youtube rickrolls you?
[16:25] <mhall119> I say we make jono sing Rebecca Black's "Friday" at the Friday night closing party
[16:25] <nigelb> OH YES
[16:25] <nigelb> jussi: No, how?
[16:26] <jussi> nigelb: go to youtube.com/html5
[16:26] <jussi> join the trial
[16:26] <jussi> go to random html5 video
[16:27] <jussi> right click, then click the "download video" (or something like that)
[16:27] <nigelb> random video = any video?
[16:27] <jussi> YEAH
[16:27] <jussi> oops :D
[16:28] <nigelb> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:29] <jussi> its pretty funny...
[17:01] <mhall119> jono: ping
[17:01] <jono> hey mhall119
[17:02] <mhall119> jono: will you be around for a bit?  I'm almost ready to request an upgrade to loco-directory to add the blog feeds
[17:02] <jono> mhall119, will be around all day
[17:02] <jono> although doing my videocast for an hour in an hour
[17:03] <cjohnston> maybe we can get it first announced there
[17:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: push the sysadmins
[17:03] <cjohnston> lol
[17:06] <jono> mhall119, hopping on a call now too
[17:06] <jono> will be around on IRC though
[17:06] <mhall119> ok
[17:06] <jono> mhall119, what needs to happen to deploy?
[17:06] <jono> are you going to request IS?
[17:08] <mhall119> jono: in just a couple more minutes, yes
[17:08] <jono> awesome
[17:08] <mhall119> jono: once the deployment is done, we need to quickly add the feeds we want to the database, then have IS call the refresh command to populate them
[17:08] <jono> mhall119, I thought you could add feeds without requiring IS?
[17:09] <mhall119> we can add them, but it won't pull in articles until 'refresh' is called, which is set to go every 30 minutes on cron, or we can have them manually run it right away
[17:09] <jono> oh I see
[17:09] <jono> so this would speed up the refresh if we ask them to do it
[17:10] <cjohnston> yes
[17:10] <mhall119> yup, that way we don't leave loco.u.c with a big empty space for 30 minutes
[19:13] <jussi> coolness!!! http://is.gd/P8usbX
[19:24] <nigelb> Night everyone :)
[19:25] <mhall119> g'night nigelb
[19:29] <doctormo> jcastro: ping
[19:29] <jcastro> yo
[19:30] <doctormo> jcastro: About to post some tars containing xbmc addons, you're probably at work, but testing would be super awesome and helpful.
[19:30] <jono> mhall119, so are we just waiting on is now?
[19:30] <cjohnston> yes jono
[19:34] <Pici> doctormo: I'll take a look when I get home if you post them .
[19:37] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston ok, Matthias is working on it
[19:42] <jono> grabbing lunch
[19:50] <doctormo> Pici: http://doctormo.org/2011/08/31/xbmc-library-sanity-checking-new-addon/
[19:50] <Pici> doctormo: thanks
[20:57] <mhall119> jono: the new code is deployed, but it appears we're going to need a firewall exception to allow it to pull feeds, we might need your influence to push that
[20:59] <jono> mhall119, can you follow up with charlieS first
[20:59] <jono> I am about to head out to a meeting
[21:00] <jono> just emphasize that the exception is key to the new code working
[21:00] <mhall119> jono: I'll follow up, but I'm not sure they'll do it on my request alone
[21:01] <jono> well tell them that it has my approval
[21:01] <jono> follow up over the email first
[21:01] <jono> and we can discuss more if required
[21:02] <jono> thanks mhall119
[21:02] <jono> back soon
[21:31]  * popey waves
[21:37] <cjohnston> pleia2: whats your lp username
[21:38] <pleia2> cjohnston: lyz
[21:38] <cjohnston> ty
[21:50] <paultag> cjohnston: next time, you can /whois the ubuntu member
[21:50] <paultag> cjohnston: the cloak should match the lp name
[21:50] <paultag> which is genrally also the forward, but I don't think that's always the case
[21:50] <cjohnston> k
[21:50] <pleia2> paultag: mine doesn't match :)
[21:50] <paultag> Oh jeez
[21:50] <paultag> how did that happen?
[21:51] <pleia2> prolly didn't have that policy when I became a member
[21:51] <paultag> ahhh
[21:51] <pleia2> I'm like 100 years old remember
[21:51]  * cjohnston throws stuff at paultag
[21:51]  * paultag ducks
[21:51] <paultag> pleia2: you've not been here that that long
[21:51] <paultag> right?
[21:51] <cjohnston> she was around before ubuntu was
[21:51] <pleia2> paultag: I became a member in 2007
[21:52] <paultag> pleia2: aye, may
[21:52] <paultag> 2007-05-30
[21:52] <pleia2> si
[21:52] <paultag> so you've been here a yearish longer then me - and that does not count my non-ubuntu member time :)
[21:52] <paultag> I stand by my claim - you're not that old :)
[21:53] <pleia2> I turn 30 next month!
[21:53] <paultag> over the hill!
[21:53] <pleia2> :)
[21:53]  * paultag runs
[21:53] <pleia2> apparently in bay area lingo grantbow lives "over the hill"
[21:53] <pleia2> so does MarkDude
[21:54] <pleia2> oh, and jono
[21:54] <pleia2> so we can call them all over the hill
[21:54] <paultag> ha!
[21:54] <paultag> pleia2: Oh, I'll be in SF land
[21:54] <paultag> soonish
[21:54] <pleia2> whenish?
[21:54] <komputes> So I have a question about the Global Jam registration - is there a way not to accept openidusers, only registered users? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-qc/1162/detail/
[21:54] <paultag> pleia2: october - for the google summer of code mentor's summit
[21:55] <pleia2> paultag: oh yeah, that's the weekend in october when I will be around!
[21:55] <cjohnston> komputes: no
[21:55] <komputes> :( boo
[21:55] <paultag> pleia2: woot :)
[21:55] <paultag> pleia2: I'll be 'repping fluxbox :)
[21:56] <pleia2> w00t
[21:56] <paultag> pleia2: oh, did I tell you?
[21:56] <paultag> pleia2: I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>>:)
[21:56] <pleia2> yay!
[21:56] <paultag> bring it! :)
[21:57] <pleia2> elizabeth@alderaan:~$ zgrep Paul /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/changelog.Debian.gz  [ Paul Tagliamonte ]
[21:57] <paultag> pleia2: awww :)
[21:57] <pleia2> I upgraded to squeeze :)
[21:57] <paultag> woo!
[21:57] <pleia2> everything else broke, but fluxbox survived
[21:57] <paultag> pleia2: the new release (dfsg2, if I get to that before 1.3.1+1) then you'll have some fancy new themes
[21:57] <pleia2> (ok, not everything, but it wasn't a great upgrade)
[21:57] <paultag> pleia2: wooot! Yeah, I spent time making sure the upgrade is OK
[21:57] <pleia2> much appreciated :)
[21:57] <paultag> :)
[21:58] <paultag> ok, right, time to roll out a release of launchphplib and blag it :)
[21:58] <paultag> love ya'll dearly - idle mode activate!
[22:57] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[23:18] <mhall119> czajkowski: you're up late


[02:33] <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: hey, I got a hangout request yesterday when I wasn't around, was I needed for something?
[03:07] <ausername> okay so on my computer I have two has ddrives one harddrive with wndoze 7 and the other linux, I though I was able to just hit f10 to select bootmenu from bios to select harddrive to boot from but linux overwrote MBR and now i have to go thru grub?  how do I have windows reinstall its own mbr?
[03:45] <rafael> hi
[03:45] <rafael> I need help
[03:46] <Guest96132> I just install kubuntu on toshiba laptop
[03:46] <Guest96132> but after install finish
[03:46] <Guest96132> restart the machine
[03:47] <Guest96132> and when it will initialize
[03:47] <Guest96132> it say that dont have os
[03:49] <ahoneybun> Guest96132: sounds like you did not install grub right
[03:50] <ahoneybun> can you boot back into the usb/dvd and choose the live option
[03:52] <Guest96132> yes
[03:52] <Guest96132> I am installing via USB
[03:52] <Guest96132> I do a research and seem like be grub
[03:52] <Guest96132> error
[03:53] <Guest96132> I am following this tuto http://askubuntu.com/questions/420005/cannot-add-ppa-ppayannubuntu-boot-repair
[03:53] <Guest96132> now
[06:47] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: monthly Kubuntu hangout
[06:48] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: we discussed current tasks status, and added some tasks, removed some tasks
[11:18] <noj2009> hello, is kubuntu working well with the tochscreen of a lenovo-by300 convertible?
[11:20] <noj2009> nobody want to answer?
[12:31] <dv__> the recent documents in the kicker menu dont do anything if I click on them
[12:31] <dv__> the klipper's context menu does not allow me to clear the history
[12:32] <dv__> and, the calendar view (when I click on the clock display on the task bar) does not highlight any holidays anymore
[12:32] <dv__> these seem like serious steps back, dont they
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:30] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo
[13:31] <Smurphy> Morning folks :)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Smurphy
[13:33] <hazamonzo> I have a question as there is some life here today :)
[13:33] <hazamonzo> How might i go about adding the option... "extract here" when i right click an archive?
[13:34] <hazamonzo> At the moment i have to open files with ark instead of the quick, right click, extract
[13:34] <hazamonzo> Or even the select files, add to archive?
[13:34] <hazamonzo> Small things i know but super useful
[13:35] <hazamonzo> Any thoughts BluesKaj?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, checking
[13:36] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Ahh thanks!
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, lots of services missing from dolphin , but even the available downloads are lacking. However I use unp to extract in the terminal by opening the terminal in the folder the compressed file is located and doing: unp  nameofpackage.tar.gz, for example
[13:43] <BluesKaj> unp is available in the repos
[13:44] <BluesKaj> !unp
[13:44] <BluesKaj> !info unp
[13:45] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Understood. Its a shame that the UI is a little behind (although it looks VERY pretty)
[13:46] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: I notived that the pastebin widget was also missing these days. Was very useful
[13:48] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, well i think useability has been somewhat sacrficed for looks, but that's afunction of transference from plasma4 to plasma 5. I think the services will eventually catch up
[13:48] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Yeah that makes sense. Im happy enough that most of my new laptop worked with 15.10
[13:49] <hazamonzo> The ONLY things i had issues with which i gave up on was the SSD and the... ummm.. Nvidua / Intel card swapping
[13:49] <hazamonzo> I was able to set it to the intel one and leave it at that
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Optimus eh?
[13:49] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Yeah something like that
[13:50] <hazamonzo> Both cards worked but when i rebooted, with or without power ect it was a coin toss to is the driver loaded for the right card
[13:50] <BluesKaj> yeah it's a pita on linux. unfortunately
[13:50] <hazamonzo> I tried to find a pattern in about... 50 reboots :D
[13:51] <BluesKaj> I thought most users went with the nvidia-prime setup on Optimus
[13:51] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Oh i tried all sorts of things. half of which i cannot remember
[13:52]  * BluesKaj nods
[13:52] <hazamonzo> In the end i was able to install at least (using some grub command during installation), then get the Nvidia driver detected and finally, switch it to Intel instead of Nvidia
[13:52] <hazamonzo> Instead of letting linux decide what card to use
[13:53] <hazamonzo> At least... thats what i *think* I did :)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, think some blacklisting the intel  gpu in favour of the nvidia since it's more capable handling video loads
[13:54] <Odur> hazamonzo: regarding servicemenus in dolphin. Try this: "sudo ln -s /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/konqpopupmenuplugin.desktop /usr/share/kservicetypes5/"
[13:56] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: I totally agree although its something i will have to look at later. Im in the "if it isn't broken then don't fix it" stage due to other work commitments :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Odur, thanks! That worked here :-)
[13:56] <hazamonzo> Odur: Can i ask what that does before i go ahead and run it? I have to be careful i don't break anything while im working :)
[13:56] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: hehehe, you just jump right on in there eh? :D
[13:57] <Odur> just making a link from a file to another place, making the extract here appear again
[13:57] <hazamonzo> Odur: So pretty safe then?
[13:57] <Odur> Yep. There is a bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1499530
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, I'm a home user, no worries about breaking stuff since I use 14.04 as my backup OS
[13:58] <hazamonzo> Odur: Thank you!! Worked a treat :)
[14:00] <Odur> hazamonzo: Should be fixed when we get KDE Framework 15.16.0.
[14:00] <hazamonzo> Odur: Its only a small thing but its useful.
[14:00] <hazamonzo> Now if i can get my pastebin / imagebin widget back i'll be set! :D
[14:00] <Odur> Very useful :)
[14:01] <hazamonzo> I loved the fact you can print-screen and drag directly to the widget to paste the image
[14:01] <hazamonzo> without having to save to disk, open a website, upload the image ect ect
[14:03] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Odur: Thanks again guys. I better get back to work
[14:03] <Odur> You're welcome :)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> hazamonzo, have fun :-)
[14:08] <hazamonzo> :)
[17:02] <finetundra> Hey folks, howo do I add skins to amarok that I get from KDE look?
[17:52] <isolater> well
[17:53] <finetundra> isolater: well what?
[17:57] <isolater> well this is pretty nice, new to kubuntu
[17:58] <isolater> what do you like about kubuntu? what is better than say, Unbuntu?
[17:59] <finetundra> Ah well, honestly kubuntu has felt easier to customize
[17:59] <finetundra> Though I've only used it with KDE 4, so I don't know how it feels with KDE 5
[18:01] <finetundra> isolater: why did you choose kubuntu, if I may ask?
[18:02] <isolater> Well I am testing it really, running in a VM right now.  It looks like it has some really interesting things.
[18:03] <isolater> Seems easy to get started with so far
[20:49] <master_> I would appreciate some help with my quassel irc client
[20:51] <master_> Next to my identity I have (+iwxcr).  I don't know what this means
[20:56] <rarog> доброго всем
[20:56] <mparillo> !ru
[21:56] <mok> hello, what is the password for live user kubuntu 15.10?
[21:57] <mok> hitting enter on live session just resets to login (doesn't say login failed though
[21:57] <mok> )
[22:00] <bprompt> mok:    there isn't any that I know of, I think .... it "might" be just "kubuntu" or "ubuntu", from older iso's
[22:03] <mok> bprompt: thanks for reply. kubuntu or ubuntu don't work. It's a pity, I would like to try before I install! :)
[22:04] <bprompt> mok:  it shouldn't ask you for a password for a live session though
[22:04] <bprompt> if it's asking for one, it seems that the iso burning didn't go well
[22:06] <mok> bprompt: I would have thought same. starts with login screen with live session user as username
[22:06] <mok> clicking on login just cycles back to login screen
[22:07] <mok> I didn't burn, dd'd onto usbstick
[22:07] <bprompt> mok:    I've seen that on broken files live sessions, like the user didn't shutdown the session properly and did a force-shutdown by pressing the power button
[22:07] <bprompt> but otherwise, it wouldn't ask you for a password for a live session
[22:08] <mok> ok, thanks for the advice
[22:27] <mok> I said I'd be mad and just install of that usb disk anyway. I think that was a mistake, now a prompt with my username, input password, press enter, recycles to login screen. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[22:28] <bprompt> same liveusb session login screen?
[22:31] <mok> no, my hdd login session
[22:34] <bprompt> and you entered the right login and password?
[22:35] <bprompt> hmm
[22:35] <bprompt> mok:    did you do a full hdd install from the usb stick that was asking you for a login at the live session?
[22:37] <mok> yep
[22:37] <mok> rebooted from the usb disk and went into install rather than live session, went through the install onto hdd, removed usb disk, rebooted
[22:38] <bprompt> well then
[22:38] <bprompt> hehhe
[22:39] <bprompt> mok:   so you have a broken live usb session, and reasonable enough, it gave you a broken hdd installation,  :/
[22:39] <bprompt> mok:     your hmmm reburn the .iso to usb
[22:39] <mok> shouldda known betta! ;)
[22:40] <bprompt> or redownload the iso, assuming it might be corrupted, possibly is not, but who knows, likely the issue is the burning, something happened while burning to to the usb stick
[22:43] <mok> md5sum matches, so it was a good download. Dunno what could have happened during dd. Anyway, back to drawing board. Thanks for your time bprompt
[22:43] <bprompt> well
[22:43] <bprompt> mok:    how did you burn it?  I mean... what did you issue for "dd"?
[22:44] <mok> just sudo dd if=kub...etc of=/dev/sdc
[22:47] <bprompt> looks good
[22:51] <teknova> trying to find out what is the most stable os for running the most recent stable builds of digikam......
[22:51] <teknova> thoughts?
[22:51] <bprompt> I've heard of some saying 15.10 is decently stable enough, not sure if it has digikam though
[22:52] <teknova> 15.10 kubuntu is troublesome in the least
[22:52] <bprompt> teknova:     well, there's always the 14.04 lts
[22:52] <teknova> its crash seg faulted twice on me and thats after having login loop problems with the live cd
[22:53] <teknova> well has anyone tried 4.14 digikam in 14.04 kubuntu?
[22:54] <teknova> im running mint 17.2 cinnimon as my main system but i was havinh seg fault problems with digikam there too
[22:55] <teknova> i really like digikam at a tagging and sorting tool and im even happy to install a whole os just for it
[22:56] <bprompt> hehe
[22:57] <bprompt> I don't run it myself, for one
[22:57] <bprompt> teknova:    what kde version is cinnamon 17.2 running anyway?   maybe your kde version is the same as kubuntu's 15.10 for all we know, thus the seg faulting
[22:59] <teknova> well  i am running them both from the phillip5 ppa
[22:59] <teknova> kde i think is 4.14
[22:59] <teknova> kde i think is 4.1?
[23:00] <bprompt> well... not exactly, 4.1 !== 4.14
[23:00] <teknova> 4.1 was a typo
[23:00] <teknova> 4.14
[23:00] <teknova> 4.14 is the last one they are suppose to do for mint
[23:01] <teknova> because of the lack of newest kde
[23:01] <teknova> i think
[23:02] <bprompt> well.. for the time being I gather
[23:04] <teknova> 15.10 comes with digikam 14.12 and id be happy to use that but it kept closing unexpecteply plus this does not seem to be the most for my hardware
[23:04] <teknova> most stable*
[23:04] <teknova> the seg faults im getting in 15.10 are when close system windows aand such
[23:05] <teknova> somthing about qt5
[23:06] <teknova> verizon really?
[23:06] <teknova> i hopes its cause you have no other choice
[23:07] <teknova> sorry thet my corpopate touretts..
[23:07] <bprompt> teknova:     hmmm give a whirl I gather to 14.04
[23:07] <bprompt> eheh
[23:07] <teknova> ok will do
[23:07] <teknova> my ssd hate me right now anyway
[23:08] <teknova> kde mint followed by kubuntu 15.10 followed by 14.04 lol
[23:15] <mok> teknova: http://scribblesandsnaps.com/2014/12/12/making-digikam-stable-on-ubuntu-14-04/
[23:16] <mok> doh! he's gone. I better go too, too tired! :)


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[05:40] <mmcc> mmcc: just solved that Qt image plugin packaging issue. We might be out of the woods...
[08:29] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:46] <mandel> morning!
[09:33] <rye> anybody here uses U1 with proxy?
[09:59] <rye> mandel: I have several users who repetedly enabled and disabled file sync status for a folder from the control panel because the latter was seemingly not reacting to the click (and the user has just confirmed that the flag appeared after 5 seconds). Is it known?
[10:04] <mandel> rye, I can test thing if you need me regarding proxy, and the second question..
[10:05] <mandel> rye, what is the later? what OS?
[10:05] <mandel> rye, is that ubuntu? is the falg the one from nautilus?
[10:10] <rye> mandel: no, the control panel, on Ubuntu
[10:10] <rye> mandel: i got this once but i was not able to reproduce. Apparently, some succeed at this
[10:12] <mandel> rye, and when you say the later what does it mean 'I have several users who repetedly enabled and disabled file sync status for a folder from the control panel because the latter was seemingly not reacting to the click'
[10:12] <mandel> rye, sorry I'm a little lost in translation :)
[10:12] <mandel> rye, and my context switch from mac to this is not that good hehe
[10:13] <rye> mandel: i am context-switching every 5 minutes and already have problems recalling things, i understand. So, you click a folder checkbox in control panel. Nothing appears to happen. You click again, nothing (during this time SD has enabled and then disabled folder syncing) but CP does not show anything.
[10:14] <rye> karni: hi, is there a reason why we prohibit moving the application to SD card for those who have less than 0 free bytes on the internal flash :) ?
[10:15] <mandel> rye, ah, ok, and the checkbox does not show the 'check' correctly ?
[10:17] <rye> mandel: it shows the check but after a looooooong delay
[10:18] <mandel> rye, ok, so that operation is async, that is, the message gets sent to sd when sd process the action it then sends a signal over dbus to control panel
[10:19] <mandel> rye, so, we can have the delay because a: dbus message from cp to sd is slow, b: the action is push to the reactor thread and there stays a little 'til processed, c the signal is slow
[10:19] <mandel> rye, and I have had no info about this happening before, is a first to me
[10:22] <rye> mandel: e.g. when it is syncing something... Grrr. I need to have my account fixed
[10:23] <mandel> rye, well uploading/downloading/hashing are done in diff threads but maybe there is something blocking there
[10:23] <mandel> rye, or is a ui problem.. it can be that the main loop qt does not get the signal on time from the deferred and there is an issue there
[10:52] <rye> mandel: i thought that meta queue items are still executed consequently, so e.g. if there are lots of MakeFile/MakeDirs, adding a new request to get volume list (or whatever enabling share is using) will be added to the end of the queue...
[10:53] <mandel> rye, yes, I think that meta queue is in the reactor main thread
[10:53] <mandel> rye, all event processing is there too
[10:53] <karni> rye: Yes, multiple support requests of the need to log in whenever they mount USB storage/restart their phone, or pictures not syncing. People just don't get the limitations of apps running on SD card.
[10:54] <karni> rye: It wasn't an easy decision and it took me time to decide to revert to internal storage only, but it was thought out and intentional. Sorry if it upset a few folks. Certainly less than the trouble associated with having app2sd enabled.
[10:57] <rye> karni: and with MTP-only access on the newer phones. I understood that :)
[10:58] <karni> rye: right, newer phones have large internal storage only, so that's less of an issue.
[11:10] <gatox> good morning!
[11:22] <rye> karni: another quesiton - are the changes to make the files already downloaded and changed on the phone to be uploaded automatically planned for u1f?
[11:24] <karni> rye: yes, sync is indeed on the roadmap. (I'll finally stop complaining, how people expect sync, while we never said the Android app had it, anywhere ;))
[11:25] <karni> rye: FWIW, keeping files from U1 with those on the phone (re-downloading) is pretty darn easy to implement. I didn't add it this week only because I knew if we have sync, it has to be _sync_ and not a partial solution.
[11:28] <rye> karni: the user actually edits the files on the phone
[11:29] <rye> karni: oh, while I got your attention - any reason why our music app does not stream flac files?
[11:29] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:30] <mandel> gatox, can you give me a hand with something?
[11:30] <gatox> mandel, of course.... shoot
[11:31] <karni> rye: Right, noticing local changes will either require rescan or FileObservers on each of the files "of interest"
[11:31] <mandel> gatox, if you have the following (char *)&(kevent_arg->data.str) where data is a union, what do you think str should be, and the answer is not a char*
[11:31] <mandel> gatox, I'm getting a little confuse with all this address/pointer operations :(
[11:31] <karni> rye: Not that I know of. I'll sync with Chad when he's around.
[11:32] <gatox> mandel, let me see
[11:32] <mandel> kevent_arg is an array of a struct that has two ints and the data union
[11:33] <gatox> mandel, "str" is something like __repr__
[11:33] <gatox> ?
[11:34] <mandel> gatox, let me paste the struct definition, one sec
[11:35] <gatox> mandel, maybe i'm wrong, but i assume what you are getting a reference to some structure... and then obtaining a pointer to the first byte of that structure
[11:35] <mandel> gatox, so, if I wanted to recreate the structure (bloody tests!!!) how would it be done?
[11:36] <mandel> gatox, going data.str = "blah" is not correct
[11:37] <gatox> mandel, asking the sizeof of the union and creating a char* array as big as that? starting from the first byte as you have now?
[11:38] <mandel> gatox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1016244/
[11:38] <gatox> mandel, if i'm talking nonsense, show me some code
[11:38] <gatox> that :P
[11:38] <mandel> gatox, that is the struct def
[11:39] <gatox> ahhhh i understand better now what you mean
[11:40] <gatox> mandel, and *str is not ending in \0?
[11:41] <mandel> gatox, is ac string, so it should
[11:41] <gatox> mandel, that would be a way to obtain the complete string, doesn't it?
[11:42] <mandel> gatox, the problem I have is that I want to create such a struct to be used in the tests yest when I do data.str = 'blah' is not correct and get some random mem info
[11:43] <mandel> gatox, and the kernel sends the string that way  (char *)&(kevent_arg->data.str) so I cannot remove it because that makes the daemon to segfault
[11:51] <gatox> mandel, i'm trying to think some options..... but..... i'm kind of rusty :S
[11:52] <mandel> gatox, same here!
[11:52] <mandel> gatox, I might as well ask dobey, I'm sure he is better than us at this
[11:52] <gatox> mandel, yep..... he is the guy
[12:17] <alecu> rye, mandel: regarding the delay when marking folders to be synced: it sounds like the user is transferring a lot of files (more than 200?) so SD buffers are full and the "suscribe" operations need some download to finish before they are executed on the server.
[12:18] <rye> alecu: oh, that's fun
[12:18] <mandel> alecu, nice!
[12:18] <alecu> rye, mandel: they also could happen when more than the limit of concurrent transfers (10 is the default), but in that case the wait would be much smaller.
[12:18] <rye> alecu: i guess we need to somehow show the operation is in progress. There were 4 users today who spent a several days enabling/disabling the folders
[12:18] <alecu> rye, in any case we *should* fake that a little bit better on the UI side.
[12:19] <alecu> I think that we should be ticking the checkbox as soon as the user clicks on it... or mark it as grayed, or something.
[12:20] <alecu> rye, did you got any more info on the "chrome download gone" that was in fact a "mind map file gone"?
[12:21] <rye> alecu: ticking immediately looks good unless restarting the control panel shows it is not flagged. In any case we should not queue the request for toggling and do only action that is intended
[12:21] <rye> alecu: I am afraid i am swampted with other requests and I am physically not able to follow up on some of these tickets
[12:21] <alecu> rye, I understand :-(
[12:22] <mandel> alecu, question, do you know what is str mean to be here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1016244/ in the daemon code we do  (char *)&(kevent_arg->data.str) but in the tests when a do data.str = "char" I'm not getting the correct string out, any idea?
[12:22] <mandel> alecu, my pointers knowledge is rusty (at least at this level)
[12:23] <alecu> mandel, never venture into C land with a rusty knowledge o' pointers!
[12:24] <gatox> alecu, i'm back on fsevents (finish with the u1-cp and u1-client high issues), can you remind me where is (or just the name) of the function in linux where we wait when a new folder is added before start listening to fsevents?
[12:24] <mandel> alecu, yes, I know.. my fault, I understand what is doing but I'm puzzled on how to recreate the strcture for the tests
[12:25] <alecu> mandel, please show me where you do "(char *)&(kevent_arg->data.str)" in our code.
[12:26] <mandel> alecu, sure, give me a sec
[12:28] <mandel> alecu, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/add-run-tests/view/head:/objc/FsEvents/FsEvents/FSEvent.m#L108
[12:28] <mandel> alecu, I want to recreate the arg structure to have tests to ensure that is correctly parsed
[12:29] <gatox> alecu, "new_local_dir"?
[12:32] <mandel> alecu, I'm off to have lunch, I'll be back asap
[12:33] <alecu> mandel, got a sec?
[12:33] <mandel> alecu, yes, sure
[12:34] <alecu> mandel, (char *)&(kevent_arg->data.str) is wrong
[12:34] <alecu> mandel, it should be: (char **)&(kevent_arg->data.str)
[12:34] <alecu> mandel, kevent_arg->data.str is the pointer to the string
[12:35] <alecu> mandel, &(kevent_arg->data.str) is a pointer to the pointer to the string
[12:35] <mandel> alecu, yes, and I have tried to simple remove (char *)& because arg->data.str is already a char* but if I do that, when I run the daemon I get a segfault accesing the wrong memory
[12:36] <alecu> mandel, so, with &(kevent_arg->data.str) you are getting a pointer that points inside your  kfs_event_arg struct (probably to the 4th byte, since the first four are the two uint_16s)
[12:36] <alecu> mandel, well, I need to "C" that "see" code.
[12:37] <mandel> alecu, puf.. terrible joke hehehe
[12:37] <alecu> mandel, yes, probably my worst this week.
[12:37] <alecu> mandel, but it surely beats your best this month :-)
[12:38] <mandel> alecu, ha, I've got great jokes! hehe
[12:38] <mandel> alecu, let me have lunch and I'll take a look at the original c code and find out what that is really doing...
[12:39] <mandel> alecu, maybe my struct in the test is wrong and breaking everything
[12:41] <alecu> mandel, go ahead, have lunch.
[12:41] <mandel> alecu, ok, I'll be back asap
[12:44] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:44] <mandel> ok, really going now.. will be back in a few mins
[12:45] <ralsina> alecu: I am pretty sure of it, but bug #732255 is a non-issue now, right?
[12:45] <ralsina> alecu: Also, why is the UBuntu Foundation bug's bt changing the priority of our old bugs?
[12:46] <ralsina> that was not alecu-specific :-)
[12:48] <alecu> ralsina, it looks very old, and looks like it should be fixed already.
[12:49] <ralsina> alecu: what I thought
[12:49] <ralsina> if it still happened, I would have seen it in the last year
[12:49] <alecu> ralsina, I didn't know there was a "ubuntu foundation" tough :P
[12:49] <ralsina> alecu: and it has robots!
[12:49] <dobey> ralsina: because the priority was probably unset, and something got fixed in the bot, so it sets crashers to medium by default like used to happen
[12:50] <ralsina> dobey: interesting
[12:50] <dobey> also, note it's only setting the severity on bugs filed against the ubuntu packages, not the upstream project
[12:50] <dobey> and yes, there's an "ubuntu foundations" team :) (though i think maybe it's called platform or somethng now)
[12:51] <rye> alecu: PROXY!
[12:51] <rye> alecu: i found that proxy does not work with syncdaemon
[12:51] <alecu> rye, tell me more
[12:52] <rye> alecu: STR: install win7, install squid on another machine. prohibit windows from accessing the internet directly, configure proxy in windows internet explorer -> control panel works, SD fails to connect
[12:53] <rye> alecu: i can give you rdp access to the instance if you want to have a look
[12:53] <ralsina> rye: that happens when you don't have DNS on the client box, yes, known bug
[12:53] <rye> ralsina: DNS works
[12:53] <rye> or
[12:53] <rye> wait
[12:54] <dobey> i guess it's a problem with the SRV magic
[12:54] <dobey> which the http stuff doesn't use
[12:54] <rye> dobey: no, SRV fallbacks to a host...
[12:55] <rye> ralsina: how was the proxy support tested then?
[12:55] <rye> ralsina: dns works
[12:56] <ralsina> rye: I tested it but I had a local resolving DNS
[12:57] <ralsina> rye: works? Ok then it's not that bug
[12:57] <alecu> rye, can you give me rdp access?
[12:57] <gatox> only 4 erros in test_filesystem_notifications in mac \o/ (happy news for me :P)
[12:57] <ralsina> gatox: yay
[12:58] <ralsina> I am tempted to do a blanket WONTFIX for desktopcouch
[12:58] <ralsina> it has 75 bugs which we won't, you know, fix.
[12:59] <gatox> rye, did you have the chance to read my comment in the Bug #1006329
[12:59] <dobey> ralsina: unfortunately, we do sort of have a contract to support it for some versions of ubuntu
[12:59] <ralsina> dobey: we could provide emotional support...
[12:59] <dobey> i don't think that's what LTS means
[13:00] <ralsina> dobey: and I am pretty sure the contract doesn't say we are going to fix any bugs
[13:00] <ralsina> ok, it has 156 bugs, launchpad was lying by omission a bit there
[13:00] <dobey> and changing them to wontfix, won't stop you getting e-mail for them
[13:01] <ralsina> the 1st page doesn't show the total bug count, says "75 bugs" instead of "75 of 156 bugs", but it works on the second. Reporting...
[13:02] <ralsina> worse, it says "75 of results"
[13:02] <dobey> eh?
[13:02] <dobey> it works fine here
[13:05] <ralsina> dobey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ralsina/7307958708/in/photostream
[13:08] <dobey> ralsina: what browser/os?
[13:08] <ralsina> dobey: ubuntu + chromium
[13:08] <ralsina> dobey: but the number is not there in the HTML, so it's not a browser issue
[13:09] <ralsina> OTOH, it's JS so it may be
[13:11] <dobey> hrmm
[13:11] <dobey> chromium also is broken there
[13:11] <dobey> for me
[13:11] <dobey> oh weird
[13:12] <dobey> it's there, and then gets hidden, in chromium and epiphany
[13:13] <dobey> that is really weird
[13:13] <dobey> because it's not in a separate div or anything
[13:14] <dobey> not sure how this isn't a webkit bug though
[13:15] <ralsina> dobey: if any thing that looks off in a page is to be fixed upstream, web devs would have it much easier than they do ;-)
[13:23] <dobey> ralsina: it /could/ be a YUI bug perhaps, but again, looking at the source for the page, i don't really see how
[13:24] <ralsina> dobey: it's reported and now I know it's there, so I don't care anymore
[13:24] <ralsina> we have enough bugs with our names on them :-)
[13:43]  * mandel bacj
[13:43] <mandel> ups, back
[13:43] <ralsina> rye: forbug #1006899 how did you test DNS connectivity?
[13:43] <ralsina> rye: for bug #1006899 how did you test DNS connectivity?
[13:45] <rye> ralsina: nslookup google.com -> LOTS OF IPs
[13:45] <ralsina> rye: ok
[13:48] <rye> ralsina: sent you rdp details privately
[13:49] <ralsina> rye: thanks!
[14:17] <ralsina> dobey: you remember the bug # for the empty dict in dbus signature you fixed?
[14:18] <ralsina> dobey: I think it has 2 dups, 1006932 and 951406
[14:18] <dobey> the ubuntuone-login issue?
[14:18] <ralsina> dobey: I think so
[14:19] <dobey> oh, control panel
[14:20] <dobey> hmm
[14:22] <dobey> ralsina: 711162, marked both as dup
[14:23] <ralsina> thx dobey!
[14:32] <alecu> ralsina, I was able to reproduce the bug that rye reported re: proxy. I get very different behaviour on a pristine vm vs my dev env.
[14:32] <ralsina> alecu: yikes
[14:32] <alecu> probably different versions of twisted, or something like that.
[14:32] <alecu> ralsina, my dev-env connects; the pristine vm with 3.0.1 does not.
[14:32] <ralsina> alecu: well, if it's that, it's easy to fix at least
[14:33] <ralsina> alecu: you can ask briancurtin for the versions used in the package
[14:33] <briancurtin> alecu: i'll get them right now - which versions do you need?
[14:33] <rye> yay
[14:33] <rye> bugs
[14:33] <rye> fixs
[14:34] <alecu> briancurtin, I'd like to know which version of twisted is used to build the package.
[14:34] <briancurtin> alecu: twisted 11.1.0
[14:35] <alecu> Hmmm... I'm on 11.0.0. I don't think that should be the cause.
[14:55] <ralsina> alecu, dobey, briancurtin, gatox, thisfred, mmcc, mandel: remember team call in 5 minutes
[14:55] <gatox> ack
[14:55]  * alecu is already on mumble
[14:55] <mmcc> aaaaaaack
[14:56] <thisfred> ackack
[14:56] <dobey> remember remember, it's not november
[14:56] <thisfred> camembert
[14:56] <dobey> is there a duck in the room?
[14:57] <mandel> ack
[14:57] <thisfred> at least we dispelled the myth that duck's quacks don't have echoes
[15:01] <ralsina> joshuahoover: you're welcome to our call too!
[15:13] <ceed^> Hi, I've set autouploa of pictures from my phone to a folder within the Ubuntu One folder. Will that cause any problems?
[15:13] <ceed^> autoupload even
[15:33] <dobey> karni, qengho: ^ can you answer ceed^ please?
[15:34] <karni> yes, just a sec
[15:34] <ceed^> I can wait :)
[15:34] <ceed^> Kinda difficult moving it all from Dropbox and make it work right.
[15:35] <qengho> ceed^: that sounds normal to me, if I understand you.
[15:37] <ceed^> qengho: I created a folder within the Ubuntu One folder called "From Phone" and set the Android app to upload there. But since the Ubuntu One folder is auto synced I wonderd if there would be problems.
[15:40] <karni> I'm here, sorry.
[15:40]  * karni reads up
[15:41] <karni> ceed^: Of course, no problem with auto uploading to a folder within ~/Ubuntu One
[15:41] <karni> ceed^: Why don't you give the latest U1F a try :) http://t.co/gs7SVdf8 (QR: http://t.co/gs7SVdf8.qr )
[15:42] <ceed^> Thanks. I know all little details about Dropbox, but U1 is still a little akward for me
[15:42] <karni> ceed^: What do you find akward about it? :)
[15:43] <qengho> ceed^: nothing "owns" that folder, and it shouldn't pull files down to your device and then try to send it back up.  No worries.
[15:43] <ceed^> What happens if you create folders within a folde already set to autosync. Will that new folder be autosynced by default?
[15:43] <qengho> I think we may need to define "autosync" better, karni.
[15:43] <karni> ceed^: There's to sync, nor auto sync :)
[15:44] <karni> It is Photo Auto-Upload
[15:44]  * briancurtin brb, need to run to the copy shop to fax something...gas company won't let me email this form and i want hot water again
[15:44] <karni> we never ever used sync anywhere around Android, but (sadly) users still fail to understand Android app is quite limited compared to what the PC version is.
[15:44] <karni> So, ceed^, let me explain :)
[15:45] <karni> ceed^: Auto-Upload allows to automatically upload photos from (selected) folders from your phone to Ubuntu One
[15:45] <mmcc> mandel, line 108 in FSEvent.m doesn't look right, shouldn't it be string_value = kevent_argument->data.str;
[15:45] <karni> ceed^: Currently Ubuntu One Files will not automatically download nor _sync_ any files
[15:45] <ceed^> Yes, all pictures in folders on the phone are uploaded to a folder in U1. If that upload folder is within a folder set to sync will the upload folder also be synced to the computer?
[15:45] <mandel> mmcc, apparently no, if you do that you get a segfault, and that is exactly the thing I have been fighting with
[15:45] <karni> ceed^: If it notices a change in a file in the cloud (say, you made a change on your computer), it will remove the old file from your phone, if it has been downloaded, so it doesn't get used by the user.
[15:46] <karni> ceed^: Yes, that is correct :)
[15:46] <karni> ceed^: If you upload your pics to ~/Ubuntu One/My mobile pictures, everything under ~/Ubuntu One cloud folders gets synced to your comptuers
[15:46] <karni> qengho: Hi, nice to meet you :) Are you a community person, or just Canonical?
[15:46] <qengho> ...and web site.
[15:47] <karni> Well, yes. The web site represents whatever should be on the computers :)
[15:47] <ceed^> Thanks! that's what I wanted to know. Now I just have to wait to get all my 80gb pics uploaded. Gonna take days... :)
[15:47] <karni> Hahahahah
[15:47] <qengho> karni: you already know me.
[15:47] <ceed^> I also wonder why you can't share folders, only files
[15:47] <karni> ceed^: Do you have 80 GB available in U1?
[15:47] <mmcc> mandel: hrm. but data.str is a char*. data.vp is a struct vnode* vp. if you want a char* you should use .str  -- the segfault is probably something different. ergh, wish I had this building on 10.6
[15:48] <ceed^> karni: yes, purchased tonse of storage
[15:48] <ceed^> tons even
[15:48] <alecu> mandel, I agree with mmcc
[15:48] <karni> ceed^: Awesome :)!
[15:48] <ceed^> Keeping my Dropbox until I know it works :)
[15:48] <alecu> mandel, stringWithUTF8String takes a char*, so .str is the right thing to pass.
[15:48] <karni> ceed^: Are ou asking about sharing from the Android app, or within U1 in general?
[15:49] <mmcc> alecu, mandel, of course, .vp is the same address, so casting it to (char *) is basically the same thing! :) just uneccessary
[15:49] <dobey> mandel: can we get my branch unblocked please? :)
[15:49] <karni> ceed^: You can share whole folders to your friends, and (currently) only publish files from the Android client. The API the Android app uses does not expose shared folders yet.
[15:49] <qengho> ceed^: we're always eager to hear suggestions or feedback.  email or irc.
[15:49] <mandel> dobey, sure, can I have the mp link please
[15:49] <ceed^> And I miss the photo album functionality in Dropbox
[15:50] <mandel> alecu, mmcc it is a union, so the addresses are indeed the same
[15:50] <ceed^> Consider that a feature request :)
[15:50] <dobey> mandel: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-installer/new-logo/+merge/107280
[15:50] <mmcc> mandel, is that code in FSEvents.m:108 segfaulting?
[15:50] <karni> ceed^: Considered! :)
[15:50] <qengho> ceed^: we have smart people thinking about that right now.
[15:50] <karni> ;)
[15:50] <dobey> mandel: thanks
[15:50] <ceed^> And sharing of folders although I found a python script that will do it
[15:50] <alecu> mmcc, is there a way that line 108 can segfault? I can't find it.
[15:51] <mandel> mmcc, the code as it is works, if you use the ->data.str directly it segfaults
[15:51] <mmcc> mandel, what exactly is the code that will segfault?
[15:51]  * ceed^ likes smart people to think when his data backup is on the line
[15:51] <alecu> mmcc, oh, if kevent_argument has an invalid value.
[15:51] <karni> qengho: You mind telling ceed^ how to share a folder with somebody? (I totally forgot xD)
[15:52] <mmcc> alecu, yeah but it'd segfault in the switch if kevent_argument was invalid, so i guess 108 can't
[15:52] <mmcc> mandel, I mean, can you show me the exact line that causes a segfault?
[15:52] <mandel> alecu, mmcc, if it points to a random address we go bananas, so it indeed can segfault
[15:53] <alecu> mmcc, you are right on the switch segfaulting first.
[15:53] <mandel> mmcc, I have not managed to get the daemon to run as root using lldb so I can only guess
[15:53] <ralsina> can I get a second review for https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/decrypt-errors-3-0
[15:54] <ceed^> I would also like a U1 icon in the notification area like Drobox :)
[15:54] <ceed^> so I can see what's going on
[15:54] <qengho> ceed^, karni, on linuxes, u1sdtool is a command-line tool for doing things like that.  Sharing something is (probably) just two steps, of looking up its ID and then sharing that ID.
[15:54] <ceed^> ah ok
[15:54] <mmcc> mandel, oh ouch. well at least there should be a core dump somewhere... let's see - look in /cores ?
[15:54] <dobey> ralsina: i need to take an extra long lunch today. meeting ran long, and i have an appointment in 1hr, so i'll be back in about 1.75-2 hrs, and work a little longer tonight
[15:54] <karni> qengho: I meant.. with a mouse ;D
[15:54] <karni> qengho: Is it under the context menu?
[15:55] <ralsina> dobey: np
[15:55] <karni> qengho: Or only of synced folders context menu?
[15:55] <dobey> bbiaw
[15:55] <mmcc> mandel, actually, if kevent_argument->type is FSE_ARG_VNODE, then kevent_argument->data won't be a string - that code shouldn't be expecting a string anywhere
[15:56] <mmcc> er, I mean kevent_argument->data.str is undefined... you shouldn't use .str if that's the type...
[15:56] <mandel> mmcc, kevent_argument->data will the the union pointing to the vnode struct
[15:56] <mmcc> mandel right - and the vnode struct isn't a char* but that code is treating it like it is
[15:57] <mandel> mmcc, yes, that is one of the errors in the code.. the question is, do we care about vnodes.. I think we don#t
[15:57] <mandel> don't
[15:58] <mmcc> hmm
[15:59] <qengho> karni: any place in your home directory, you can right-click in Nautilus and "synchronize".  Once the server knows of it that way, you can share contents.
[15:59] <karni> qengho: Thanks! ceed^ ↑
[15:59] <mandel> mmcc, I'll look into cleaning that code in the next branch that adds tests for the event arguments
[16:05]  * alecu will have some lunch
[16:06] <mmcc> mandel: ok.. I'm still curious about exactly what the code is when it doesn't work. is it  = (char *)&(kevent_argument->data.str) or just = kevent_argument->data.str ? because you shouldn't need the '&' - .str is already a char*, and with the & you're getting a char**, the address of the address of the char...
[16:07] <mmcc> ... so does line 117 work? it's doing the same thing and looks like it should be creating a string from the wrong place.
[16:09] <ceed^> the music streaming has tough competition comapred to Google Music (which also rund on Linux)
[16:10] <mandel> mmcc, does work, it shouldn't
[16:11] <mmcc> weird, I see fslogger also did that, so I guess I'm confused?
[16:11] <mandel> mmcc, you are not the only one, I'm too
[16:12] <mandel> mmcc, for me it is getting a char ** and not a char * since str is a char* and therefore applying & gets you the pointer to the pointer
[16:12] <mandel> mmcc, I'm going to fill the things with nNSLog and see wtf is going on
[16:13] <ceed^> I have one more question, is there a way to see what is going on with U1 like a log?
[16:14] <mmcc> mandel right, so when you then send that pointer to stringWithUTF8String, it should get garbage. unless we're really (un)lucky with memory layout. I suppose that if the storage for the string is malloc'd right after the storage for the struct, you might get something that almost works, depending on the utf8 value of the address in the struct :\
[16:14] <mmcc> but I could be making that up
[16:15] <mandel> mmcc, is something I grabbed form fslogger and I'm working on cleaning up + adding tests
[16:16] <mmcc> mandel, right, I am looking at the code in fslogger now. I'm just puzzled. You're on it, so I'll leave you alone :)
[16:16] <mandel> mmcc,  :)
[16:16] <mandel> mmcc, I'm going to EOD soom, so I'll ping you tom with what I have and we can take a closer look at the mem allocation
[16:17] <mmcc> mandel: one more thing: did you try just running lldb as root?
[16:17] <mandel> mmcc, yes, bad things happened
[16:17] <mmcc> mandel ok hrm, I thought that should work. oh well. gdb might also still work...
[16:18] <mandel> mmcc, yes, I have to try with gdb, specially because I know the commands :P
[16:22] <ralsina> LUNCH!
[16:32] <elopio> hey team. How can I help translating the control panel?
[16:32] <elopio> on launchpad it says that there are no translations.
[16:32] <mmcc> mandel BTW, for interpreting C variable type decl gibberish, http://cdecl.org can be useful... (cc thisfred )
[16:33] <thisfred> thx
[16:34] <thisfred> mmcc: is that the same one that is in the kernighan ritchie book? :)
[16:34] <mandel> mmcc, haha good one!
[16:35] <thisfred> I think I got it mostly, and vim usually warns me when I get it wrong
[16:35] <mmcc> thisfred: yeah, it's just a thing that's useful to know exists...
[16:36] <thisfred> sure
[16:36]  * gatox lunch
[16:36] <mmcc> it handles blocks, which is nice for macos stuff, and I've occasionally needed it when passing function pointers as void*...
[16:36] <mmcc> and then recasting them
[16:36] <mandel> mmcc, specially when you have (char *)&(char*) or at least is what I understand :P
[16:37] <mandel> ok, EOD (mainly walking the dog)
[16:37] <mandel> catch you all tom!
[16:37] <mmcc> bye, tom
[16:37] <mandel> mmcc, I hope my morning is useful for the funny mem thing :)
[16:38] <mmcc> mandel, me too. I've been running fslogger for a while now - no VNODE args ever showup.. maybe we don't care. but the author's site shows a trace with them in there, soo....
[16:38] <mmcc> and at least in freebsd source, struct vnode* does not start with a char*, so ... Amit Singh knows something I don't :)
[16:39] <mmcc> anyway, have a good walk, see you tomorrow
[16:43] <mmcc> for future reference -- lsyncd ignores any arguments that aren't a string, and has a different structure, it checks the argtype and does different things with a string argument depending on the argtype. It's GPLv2, and the code is here: http://lsyncd.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/fsevents.c
[17:23]  * mmcc lunches
[17:37] <briancurtin> i wonder if HR will ever mail me back about anything...
[17:37] <ralsina> briancurtin: aything I can help you with?
[17:38] <briancurtin> ralsina: one is just a benefits question, the other is that half-day i entered but didn't use. i just mailed for the second time about the day off
[17:38] <ralsina> ok
[17:38] <ralsina> about the half-day we can always just handle it unofficially as an exception
[17:39] <briancurtin> ralsina: yeah that was my next plan. if i dont hear back from them in the next few days i'll just schedule a half-day in the near future so i dont forget it
[18:33] <dobey> sigh. that took a little longer than expected
[19:18] <ralsina> school run!
[20:04] <gatox> ok...... eod for me people!! see you on monday!! and some of you see you on UbuConLA :D
[20:05] <mmcc> bye gatox, have a good trip!
[20:33] <ralsina> EOD for me
[20:33] <ralsina> see you all tomorrow!
[22:17] <mmcc> ok, heading out. everyone quiet down
[22:17]  * mmcc leaves


[11:14] <daker> Ubuntu has been #1 on Hacker News for less than one hour https://news.ycombinator.com, the result Canonical blog is down http://blog.canonical.com/2013/10/01/ubuntu-pre-installed-and-in-retail-worldwide/
[13:21] <jose> daker: did you get any response from IS?
[13:21] <daker> jose: no
[13:21] <jose> hmm, weird
[13:22] <bkerensa> daker: HN crashed Canonical blog wat... That is not even a lot of traffic :P
[13:23] <daker> bkerensa: well not sure if HN is the cause :)
[13:23] <jose> point is it's down :P
[13:24] <bkerensa> daker: so much for uptime monitoring :)
[13:26]  * jose leaves for school
[13:28] <daker> jose: ah school o.O, it's sunday
[13:29] <bkerensa> daker: looks more like the database is not scaling well
[13:30] <daker> bkerensa: it's a db connection error
[13:30] <daker> bkerensa: now the server doesn't reply at all
[13:31] <bkerensa> daker: yeah its erroring like that because there are too many concurrent database connections
[13:31] <jose> daker: yeah, I'm my school's press, so free days don't exist for me
[13:32] <smartboyhw> (Even our school's press gets Sundays off at home working-.-)
[13:32] <daker> jose: i see good luck :)
[13:33] <jose> thanks :)
[14:06] <popey> daker: IS know about it
[14:07] <daker> popey: ok
[14:11] <popey> daker: i wouldn't assume that the HN traffic killed it
[14:12] <popey> unfortunate timing though
[14:12] <daker> popey: yes you are right
[14:12] <daker> that's what i said to bkerensa


[01:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:43] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[06:12] <ducasse> good morning
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:47] <Oxfuxxx_> Ahoi.
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> hey Oxfuxxx_
[09:06] <Oxfuxxx_> What's up lotuspsychje ?
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> having lunch how bout you
[09:06] <Oxfuxxx_> Doing good? It's rainning a lot in center France/eu today.
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> oh you're from france?
[09:07] <Oxfuxxx_> lotuspsychje: same, just finished it.
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> belgium here
[09:07] <Oxfuxxx_> lotuspsychje: yes, i'm akem maybe you remember my old nick, i just decided to change.
[09:07] <Oxfuxxx_> when moving to libera.
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> ahh yeah i recall, the HP boxes right?
[09:08] <Oxfuxxx_> lotuspsychje: Yeah, good memory! :)
[09:09] <Oxfuxxx_> But i'll be moving to south america soon. Though it's raining even more down there :) tropical rain region.
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> from france to america eh?
[09:12] <Oxfuxxx_> lotuspsychje: yeah, guyana atm, since France still has a little part here. I've been there once already in the past. That's where they launch the space shuttles, between brazil and suriname.
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> cool, a big jump! lets hope they got nice isp there :p
[09:14] <Oxfuxxx_> Yeah :) they even got some optic fibers submarine cables, i checked.
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> ooh interesting
[09:14] <Oxfuxxx_> from caraibeeans islands.
[12:43] <leftyfb> the lengths people will go to. They actually made bots that post fake ubuntu support questions, some bots at the same time with different questions, others to respond to said questions
[12:45] <daftykins> heh you found first hand proof?
[12:46] <ogra> just now in #ubuntu
[12:47] <leftyfb> not very elaborate, but still a thing
[12:48] <daftykins> ongoing proof that, sorry to say, but it's a waste of time even trying to help when the majority are just using you all as google substitutes
[12:51] <leftyfb> daftykins: most of those I reply with the result from the google search as well as mention the search terms I used
[12:52] <daftykins> lol
[12:52] <leftyfb> daftykins: at best, either I helped improved their use of google a bit with the search terms they maybe didn't think of, at worst, they feel a bit stupid for not typing "how to upgrade ubuntu" into google
[12:53] <daftykins> nah, at worst they keep coming back to have their hands held so they don't have to think
[12:54] <leftyfb> daftykins: also, I give them the link to the result, not a walkthrough repeating the already written documentation. Either way, they have to read a web page
[12:55] <daftykins> just not worth it imo
[13:00] <TJ-> That person controlling 2003:e4:4703:7c00::/64 has been a pain on many channels
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: ive been saying that for a year even when we were still on freenode they made up fake support questions in groups
[18:31] <JanC> apaprently there has been somebody using bots to spam Ubuntu stuff in many other channels...
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> wich channels was that JanC
[18:34] <JanC> at least #opensuse & ##rust were mentioned by name
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[18:35] <JanC> I wonder if it's related to the bots asking fake questions in ubuntu channels?
[18:36] <sarnold> that was my first guess
[18:36] <JanC> FWIW: it was being talked about in #libera
[18:36] <JanC> earlier today
[18:37] <JanC> well, not long ago, so the people who mentioned it are still there :)
[18:39] <Oxfuxxx> Spam bots and bots asking fake questions on libera? looks like small people really have time to waist.
[18:39] <JanC> all of them using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it seems
[18:39] <JanC> (at least at one point, I didn't look further)
[18:40] <Oxfuxxx> Maybe related to the freenode split. They just want to bug libera with BS.
[18:41] <sarnold> I saw one glob of four people asking questions at once, and probably would have fallen for it if the helpful bots hadn't noticed the "from the ip" flooding, even though no individual client had flooded..
[18:41] <sarnold> if they'd just shown a touch of intelligence I would have remained entirely oblivious, and the bots wouldn't have noticed
[18:43] <JanC> anyway, I just wanted to mention it, in case both groups of bots are related  :)
[21:50] <sarnold> leftyfb: my guess is he's trolling.. k6-2 is a 32 bit processor, I thought we killed 32 bit boots in 20.04..
[21:50] <leftyfb> he's not running ubuntu
[21:51] <daftykins> i hope it has 3DNow!


[00:00] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8559593941/
[00:00] <pleia2> isn't tht a cool one?!
[00:00] <pleia2> it's like a boat!
[00:01] <waltman> Yeah, I saw that one yesterday. It's crazy!
[03:31] <ChinnoDog> chirp
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> *BEEEEEEEEEEEP*
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> *BOOM*
[03:49] <ChinnoDog> What is the sound of installing Ubuntu onto a Windows 8 tablet, Alex? I'll take Midnight Madness for $300.
[07:29] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[09:46] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[09:53] <JonathanD> other than the two of us.
[10:24] <rmg51> JonathanD:  nothing new or interesting
[10:24] <rmg51> just getting ready for work
[10:27] <JonathanD> It's chilly
[11:15] <waltman> wind chill 17? brrrrr
[12:45] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[14:41] <ChinnoDog> bark
[17:43] <ChinnoDog> Sourdough crepes are delicious.
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> Would be better with bacon.