[00:07] <mrgt> ali1234, done. The one selected is x.org
[00:08] <ali1234> ok, that's the open source driver. it is often not very good :(
[00:08] <mrgt> ali1234,  ah.. okay
[00:08] <mrgt> ali1234, so should I select the other one?
[00:09] <ali1234> you probably want nvidia-experimental-310 if you are gaming
[00:09] <ali1234> it gives a performance boost over the nvidia-current
[00:09] <ali1234> but before you do anything you need to know how to recover from display failure
[00:11] <mrgt> ali1234, okay
[00:12] <ali1234> well, i don't know how to do it on 12.10 because once again everything has been changed :(
[00:13] <ali1234> oh also you might need to install linux-headers-generic before installing the nvidia driver if that bug hasn't been fixed
[00:16] <mrgt> ali1234, I hate Linux sometimes
[00:18] <mrgt> ali1234, i think i'll leave it for tonight. thanks for the help
[00:22] <ali1234> does anyone have super brothers: sword & sworcery flac sound track? eg if you got it on humble bundle, you can download the sound track
[00:23] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10/+bug/1094581 if you do
[00:45] <ali1234> hmm... scotch egg
[00:50] <ali1234> two scotch eggs in fact
[05:25] <shingdayho> hey
[05:26] <daftykins> that's a novel nick
[05:26] <daftykins> also hi
[05:35] <daftykins> was it something i said :(
[06:30] <directhex> you're clearly very offensive, daftykins
[06:30] <daftykins> guess so :(
[06:30] <directhex> mornin'! you're up early
[06:30] <daftykins> morn :) yeah couldn't sleep
[06:31] <daftykins> gotta look at that RAID with 4 of 8 disks gone funny today :)
[06:31] <daftykins> good lord Windows graphics drivers are insane these days
[06:31] <daftykins> 170MB+ intel, 200MB+ nvidia
[06:31] <daftykins> (for an optimus laptop)
[06:32] <directhex> yep
[06:32] <directhex> wonder how much of that is bundled deps
[06:32] <directhex> and how much is docs
[06:32] <daftykins> heh
[06:32] <daftykins> too true
[06:32] <daftykins> i'm mostly updating 'cause i don't like seeing Windows Update offer them...
[06:33] <directhex> i mind windows update offering drivers, i don't mind steam offering them
[06:33] <daftykins> haha
[06:33] <daftykins> Steam was a bit in-your-face about them last time i saw prompts
[06:33] <directhex> maybe because i know the steam updates are legit upstream, and windows update drivers traditionally were "oops, did we forget opengl support? oops!"
[06:34] <directhex> "have some extra direct3d, it's much more tasty"
[06:34] <daftykins> that's my feeling, though it seems they're being good nowadays (possibly, i base this on nothing)
[06:35] <directhex> i think windows update is capable of just using upstream .exe installers - it does for MS keyboards/mice
[06:35] <directhex> but i have distrust now
[06:35] <directhex> whose fault is that distrust? MS!
[06:35] <daftykins> that must be why so much junk appears if you allow its' Logitech entry :D
[06:35] <directhex> i need a new kb&m
[06:35] <daftykins> directhex: back to the grind today?
[06:36] <directhex> back on the 2nd
[06:37] <daftykins> ah-har
[06:39] <directhex> feeling full of thai food, wondered if doing some exercise would help
[06:40] <directhex> then got distracted by shiny computertron filled with fun things like orgies.
[06:41] <daftykins> XD
[06:41] <daftykins> late night?
[06:41] <directhex> the opposite! went to bed at about half nine, slept solid until the baby woke for a feed at half five
[06:42] <daftykins> cor
[06:50] <directhex> argh pins & needles argh
[06:50] <daftykins> ^_^
[06:50] <daftykins> hrmm i sense now is a good time to hunt down more Christmas supplies
[06:52] <Azelphur> hehe, I've been up all night playing detective :P
[06:53] <Azelphur> hunting down a scammer, which I have reason to believe lives within walking distance of me
[06:54] <daftykins> :O
[06:54] <daftykins> what kind Azelphur?
[06:54] <Azelphur> the bitcoin kind :p
[06:55] <Azelphur> he's been being naughty on the forums, and today on IRC he created an account with an extremely similar name to me, with what I can only assume is a goal of scamming people :p
[06:56] <daftykins> wellity wellity
[06:56] <daftykins> always someone out there trying to ruin someone elses day
[06:56] <Azelphur> indeed
[06:57] <Azelphur> they say he's stolen upwards of £700 and legged it off the forums, now it seems like he's trying to pull a similar stunt on IRC, so I'm hunting :p
[06:57] <daftykins> well, keep safe
[06:58] <daftykins> could be an absolute nutcase!
[06:58] <Azelphur> indeed
[06:58] <Azelphur> I'm just interested in passing the info on to the victims so they can set the police on him, that's good enough for me
[06:58] <daftykins> always seems to happen when you're without tubes, eh?
[06:58] <daftykins> (drama)
[06:58] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[06:59] <daftykins> beer and sleep vs. stay up, hrmm
[06:59] <daftykins> that old chestnut.
[07:39] <shingdayho> any of you used Arch linux before
[07:39] <daftykins> ah you return
[07:39] <daftykins> not me personally
[07:39] <shingdayho> fair enough
[07:39] <shingdayho> you okay dude
[07:40] <daftykins> yeah not bad thanks, yourself?
[07:40] <shingdayho> yeah not too bad dude, you doing an all nighter haha?
[07:40] <daftykins> tried to sleep, failed :)
[07:41] <shingdayho> haha, i just didnt bother xD
[07:41] <daftykins> ^_^ i used to do that, i get too weird the day after :>
[07:41] <daftykins> plus i love sleep
[07:46] <popey> i tried arch once
[07:47] <popey> the installer was made from ground up crack, so I gave up
[07:47] <shingdayho> yeah same, its very hard haha
[07:48] <shingdayho> ive tried like twice now, if one thing goes wrong you have to start over, its very difficult haha
[07:48] <shingdayho> and meh be right, and me same, yesterday i slept for like 14 hours :|
[07:51] <daftykins> what things are wrong do you think?
[07:55] <shingdayho> well I follow the instructions, but its always when setting up the hard drive I always mess it up haha
[07:55] <shingdayho> first time I got an error installing the GRUB BIOS
[07:56] <shingdayho> second I got an error when making a change to some file ( I cant remember what) and i got a super block error
[07:56] <shingdayho> might give it a few hours and try again then and see how I get on!
[07:57] <daftykins> ah, sounds like partitioning woes
[07:59] <shingdayho> as you need to build from the ground up you have to set keyboard, partition then create a Logocal volume management, resize and then shrink, then you need to link it to a volume group then make a change to a file, again I cant remember what exactly but then it fails
[07:59] <daftykins> assuming you want LVM? :)
[07:59] <shingdayho> well im pretty new to Arch so I was just following the instructions, didnt want to mess around with stuff I was entirely sure how to set up haha!
[08:00] <daftykins> ah
[08:01] <shingdayho> you been upto much this evening .. or should I say morning lol
[08:01] <daftykins> SSD firmware update in my laptop, graphics driver update, just picked a pretty new wallpaper for my desktop XD
[08:02] <daftykins> so not particularly :>
[08:02] <daftykins> debating either trying to grab an hour or two more sleep, before heading to someones house for some work
[08:04] <shingdayho> nice, Ive just upgraded my PC with an SSD, there so fast, contemplating getting one for my laptop too ... and funny you should say that as I have too! and meh, if i sleep it has to be for atleast 7-8 hours if i have/try get 1-2 hours i always over sleep lol
[08:04] <daftykins> :)
[08:04] <daftykins> gotta keep those firmwares current!
[08:05] <daftykins> laptop had just exhibited the bug where the SSD isn't detected on the SATA port for a while
[08:05] <daftykins> crucial m4, with the 010G? firmware
[08:05] <daftykins> something like that version anywho
[08:07] <shingdayho> oh dear, well atleast its fixed!
[08:08] <shingdayho> you ever heard of TOR - hidden services?
[08:08] <daftykins> the onion router, yeah
[08:09] <shingdayho> you ever used it?
[08:09] <shingdayho> my friend was telling me about it
[08:09] <daftykins> i did once to allow Pandora to work, since it is/was locked down to US only
[08:09] <shingdayho> pandora?
[08:09] <daftykins> mmm depends what you want to use it for
[08:10] <daftykins> it's not perfect, anyone can setup an 'endpoint' and start sniffing your traffic at the egress point
[08:10] <daftykins> Pandora was a music streaming + recommendation service
[08:11] <shingdayho> oh right fair enough, yeah I suppose, my friend was telling me how hackers use it and post their unblock codes for viruses they write n stuff like that, but its hugely illegal becuase the data is anonymous
[08:12] <daftykins> i'd imagine a lot of bad stuff could use it ja!
[08:12] <shingdayho> yeah ... ive also heard lots about that ...
[08:13] <shingdayho> not stuff you want to or should dable with
[08:15] <daftykins> i suspect you have to be a certain kind of person to enjoy wrecking someones day
[08:15] <shingdayho> yeah lol
[08:16] <shingdayho> where abouts you from anyway bud?
[08:17] <daftykins> Guernsey :)
[08:17] <daftykins> and you?
[08:18] <shingdayho> Sheffield
[08:18] <daftykins> ah-har
[08:19] <daftykins> my parents rave about that place
[08:19] <shingdayho> really haha?
[08:19] <daftykins> i figure it's just grew-up-and-raised-kids-trapped-on-an-island-for-years syndrome
[08:19] <daftykins> :>
[08:20] <shingdayho> yeah, just looked its near jersey, ive got some friends there, must have a small population there xD
[08:20] <daftykins> 65-70,000 :)
[08:22] <shingdayho> thats a lot more than I thought
[08:22] <daftykins> it's pretty built-up as islands go
[08:22] <shingdayho> jersey doesnt have that much, I dont think ^o)
[08:23] <daftykins> it's bigger, so a bit more :) that rock is like little-England
[08:23] <daftykins> mine's like - the traditional experience (i.e. only thing to do is sea related or go to pubs :) )
[08:23] <shingdayho> I would have thought like 10,000 max for an island that small and well that sounds like a win win situation :P
[08:24] <daftykins> :D
[08:24] <daftykins> if the femmes weren't all seemingly nuts i'd agree :D
[08:40] <shingdayho> sorry about that I closed lid and it turned off xD
[08:40] <daftykins> whoops :D
[08:40] <daftykins> default power management options for the lose
[08:43] <shingdayho> yeah haha
[08:45] <daftykins> still makes me giggle that you have to install third party software or 'hack' to stop Macs from sleeping when you close the lid
[08:45] <daftykins> i can think of few more irritating actions laptops can make on their own
[08:46] <shingdayho> lol really??
[08:46] <shingdayho> macs are crap, ive never liked them
[08:46] <daftykins> yep :) not in their settings at all
[08:47] <daftykins> well, tbf there have been two OS releases since i last checked
[08:47] <shingdayho> lmao
[08:47] <daftykins> gotta do an SSD upgrade on a friend of a friends macbook pro soon :>
[08:48] <daftykins> http://vimeo.com/54890788
[08:48] <popey> i switched my mbp to ssd
[08:49] <popey> the inside of a mbp is a beautiful thing
[08:49] <daftykins> :)
[08:49] <daftykins> just need to look for my T6
[08:49] <daftykins> popey: do you keep OS X on?
[08:49] <daftykins> well, i'm assuming you put Ubuntu on
[08:49] <shingdayho> mbp??
[08:49] <popey> yes
[08:50] <daftykins> macbook pro
[08:50] <shingdayho> ohh
[08:50] <popey> it used to be mine, but I switched to a thinkpad
[08:50] <popey> gave the mbp to wifey, and put osx back on it
[08:50] <popey> it basically only gets used for facebook and surfing
[08:50] <shingdayho> thats what generally every normal person does "social networking" lol
[08:51] <daftykins> popey: aww
[08:51] <daftykins> shingdayho: ugh don't remind me ;)
[08:57] <shingdayho> i wont :P
[09:07] <daftykins> hrmm might be time to consider it a day after all
[10:00] <daftykins> ugh don't appear to own a T6 driver
[10:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:07] <daftykins> heya
[10:07] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[10:07] <brobostigon> heya daftykins
[10:10] <daftykins> gm indeed
[10:32] <directhex> back to gameos for directhex
[10:35] <directhex> moo
[10:36] <brobostigon> meep
[10:45] <daftykins> anyone recommend a UK hosting provider? would be handy if they dealt with .gg domains
[10:45] <daftykins> website only
[11:00] <daftykins> gotta head off, i'll have an away log on highlight
[11:12] <dwatkins> daftykins: I can't vouch for their quality, but this company are pretty cheap: http://annualvps.com/
[13:57] <kvarley> Does anybody know of an open-source account management system? (Preferably PHP + MySQL) I'm looking to add incoming / outgoing payments and attach images to those transactions
[15:24] <daubers> I've come to the conclusion that I must be getting old. Christmas this year consisted of new slippers, gardening books and garden centre vouchers
[15:31] <dogmatic69> daubers: dodged the socks then?
[15:39] <KrimZon> Does anyone know a workaround for laggy volume controls in ubuntu 12.04? When I press the multimedia keys on my eee pc to change volume there's a 5 second delay as though a small application is being loaded just to change volume.
[15:41] <daubers> dogmatic69: Apparently so!
[21:15] <jon_k> #thegeekgroup
[21:27] <AlanBell> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/564/amazon-shopping/ \o/
[21:33] <popey> splitter
[21:35] <shingdayho> Hello!
[21:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: and on github
[21:37] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, most of that stuff is on github I could have put it on Launchpad but github renders readme files
[21:38] <AlanBell> killer feature for me
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> woohoo, hacked Aq's svg/javascript thingy :)
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> His: http://kryogenix.org/days/2012/12/30/simple-svg-sparklines
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> Mine: http://wolk.vandestreek.net/~martijn/sparkline.html
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> in case you need sparklines :)
[21:47] <AlanBell> very nice
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> I have some ideas on how to use it at work :)
[21:55] <czajkowski> gord_: you alive! or have the cats eaten you and your crazy sweets
[22:10] <dwatkins> in case anyone else was wondering, you can change the colour of the GNU Screen hardstatus/caption information within a script, I just answered a question on here 3.5 years after it was posed... http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16429/how-can-you-change-the-gnu-screen-status-line-based-on-hostname/59892#59892
[22:17] <shingdayho> thats out of my depth of understanding as im fairly new to linux haha
[22:26] <shingdayho> guys
[22:26] <shingdayho> do any of you know the default process which handles the mouse
[22:27] <shingdayho> specifically a laptop mouse?
[22:27] <AlanBell> a touchpad you mean?
[22:27] <AlanBell> specifically which laptop?
[22:27] <shingdayho> Advent Monza N3
[22:27] <shingdayho> and yes touchpad sorry
[22:33] <AlanBell> not seeing anything specific for that one
[22:35] <AlanBell> shingdayho: have a read of this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5290024&postcount=1
[22:35] <shingdayho> ill have a look now :)
[22:36] <shingdayho> very interesting, as im new to linux do you have any hints or tips or good websites to learn about linux and its capabilities etc
[22:37] <AlanBell> and maybe try adding i8042.noloop=1 to your boot parameters, you can do that by holding shift as you boot to get to the grub screen then I think e to edit the command line, then type i8042.noloop=1 then enter a few times to boot with that once
[22:49] <KrimZon> does anyone here use a midi editor in ubuntu 12.04?
[22:52] <shingdayho> cant say i do :/
[22:52] <KrimZon> I can't seem to find one that will play sound
[22:53] <KrimZon> well... import a .mid, let me edit it and then play it
[22:54] <KrimZon> dino and ardour fail at loading, rosegarden won't make any sound no matter how hard I hook it up to timidity
[22:55] <KrimZon> rosegarden also goes mental in unity trying to do stupid stuff with the window
[23:02] <KrimZon> aha, Muse behaves - and it can play midi without requiring Jack
[23:09] <celesteh> hello, i just put 12.0.4 on my lenovo touch pad and was having major issues with ghost touches making the computer nearly unusable. I found a web page that claims to have the solution to the problem. it calls for fetching a tool via bzr, but bzr says it's an invalid url:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Calibration/Ntrig
[23:21] <Azelphur> anyone know a good mass renaming tool?
[23:34] <AlanBell> celesteh: https://code.launchpad.net/~oif-team/oif/ntrig-calibrator
[23:34] <AlanBell> try bzr branch lp:~oif-team/oif/ntrig-calibrator
[23:36] <penguin42> Azelphur: What do you want to rename to what?
[23:37] <AlanBell> utouch got renamed everywhere a while back
[23:37] <celesteh> ta, alanbell
[23:37] <Azelphur> video filenames in format Blah 1x2 to Blah S01E02
[23:38] <penguin42> Azelphur: So there all named blah.1x2 ?
[23:38] <Azelphur> yep
[23:38] <penguin42> Azelphur: Oh that's EASY
[23:38] <Azelphur> I've been using pyrenamer up until now but it's not capable of recognising numbers
[23:38] <penguin42> Azelphur: for NAME in *.1x2; do  BASE=`basename $NAME`; mv $NAME $BASE.S01E02; done
[23:38] <penguin42> Azelphur: ;'s might be in the wrong place
[23:38] <penguin42> oops
[23:39] <Azelphur> lol, uhh
[23:39] <penguin42> not quite
[23:39] <Azelphur> yea, I didn't think that was right
[23:39] <penguin42> BASE=`basename .1x2`
[23:39] <penguin42> no let me rewrite that line
[23:39] <Azelphur> your hardcoding the season and episode numbers, that makes no sense
[23:39] <penguin42> for NAME in *.1x2; do BASE=`basename $NAME .1x2`; mv $NAME $BASE.S01E02; done
[23:39] <penguin42> Azelphur: Oh, you mean they aren't all .1x2 ?
[23:40] <Azelphur> indeed, that was an example
[23:40] <penguin42> ok, try again - give me an example and state the *actual* format
[23:40] <Azelphur> penguin42: I did, that's the format, if you go and read up on metadata, that's the examples they give you xD
[23:41] <penguin42> right, so it could be foo.3x6 that should become foo.S03E06 ?
[23:41] <Azelphur> yep
[23:41] <Azelphur> but,I don't want a one off script
[23:41] <Azelphur> I do a lot of renaming, I want a tool to make life easier
[23:41] <penguin42> hohum, I'd call the tool the previous script that you only have to make a tiny tweek to
[23:42] <Azelphur> :P
[23:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: It should be doable with a shell script that can take a pair of regexp's
[23:52] <Azelphur> krename does all the things :)


[04:54] <zztopless> Afternoon all... Wondering how to restart the desktop environment in lubuntu 18.04... Google seems surprisingly unhelpful :/
 Something like `sudo systemctl restart lightdm`
[04:58] <zztopless> well that worked (got my taskbar back), but seems to have killed all open windows? (not a big issue if so, just wondering is they are still open but not visible...)
 Yeah, that kills the session, sorry.
[04:58] <zztopless> for some reason I've always associated lightdm with only kde, don't know why
[04:59] <zztopless> lubot, that's ok - the session needed to be put out of it's misery... windering if my veracrypt container is still decrypted and mounted
 It's the other way around :) GDM with GNOME, SDDM with LXQt and Plasma, and LightDM with just about everything else.
[05:01] <zztopless> roger that, yeah for some reason in my mind kde and lightdm were both part of the 'desktop' and plasma with kde just makes it more confusing
[05:03] <zztopless> I use Kubuntu (now mintKDE is ending) for my main work vm and just getting back into lubuntu for one that has the least overhead - impressed so far, the desktop appearance has come a long way from when I last used it about four years ago
 I suspect you would be amazed with our LXQt-based daily images :)
[05:06] <zztopless> ?
 What are you confused about? :P
[05:06] <zztopless> Wallpapers?
 That, and the general look and feel.
[05:07] <zztopless> Cool
[05:08] <zztopless> Yeah, trying to play with the size and background of the main panel, but when I make it larger than default I got this strange, two-toned background to it, like it doesn't like being larger than the default.  Selecting a slightly transparent black seems to fix it and doesn't seem in increase resource consumption
[05:10] <zztopless> That said, the vm is currently living in a significantly more resource-abundant environment to the one it will soon have to suffer in...
 Cool
 Feel free to stick around here or in #lubuntu-offtopic; I have to go to bed.
[05:13] <zztopless> yeah I will, cheers - it's 3:13pm here :P
[05:15] <zztopless> good night and thanks for the help
 Np
[06:11] <zztopless> Is there any way to copy the panel configuration and copy it onto another panel (ie using 3 monitors and only needing to set up the panel once, as well as being able to copy changes made to one across to the others)?
[12:27] <shalokshalom_> hi there :)
[12:28] <shalokshalom_> the download link for pi3 is missing: https://pictshare.net/iqggd3nmf5.png
[12:29] <shalokshalom_> or is it the same?
 @shalokshalom_ [<shalokshalom_> or is it the same?], Oh, it's the same.
 Sorry for the confusion, I can edit it later if wxl or @VikingRedwolf don't get to it first.
[17:26] <slipttees> Hi guys
[17:26] <slipttees> why "Show connected volumes on the desktop" doesn't work in lubuntu 18.04?
[17:27] <slipttees> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1790924
 @slipttees [<slipttees> why "Show connected volumes on the desktop" doesn't work in lubuntu …], samba volumes appear.
[18:32] <slipttees> lubot: regression 16.04.5 mount using cifs works... 18.04.1 not!
[18:32] <slipttees> lubot: i using pam_mount + cifs
[18:32] <slipttees> 16.04 work... upgrade for 18.04 stop work
[18:35] <wxl> @HlMollerCl ^ those lubot mentions are for you
[18:35] <wxl> @HMollerCl i mean
[18:35]  * wxl mumbles something about stupid telegram
[18:37] <slipttees> wxl: ok.. sorry. I'm tired :-(
 @slipttees do you still have the 16.04 installed?
 maybe is a problem of cifs-utils
 That's on server side, this problem is client side


[12:39] <tarzeau> where can i find updated versions of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Wishlist ?
[13:03] <Eickmeyer> tarzeau: That page needs to be deleted, we've got to actually *reduce* the ISO size, which means eliminating things.


[00:28] <mhall119> hello ubuntu-news, I have a blog post I'd like to get cross-posted on fridge.ubuntu.com: http://mhall119.com/2013/04/uds-13-05-ubuntus-second-online-developer-summit/
[00:28] <pleia2> thanks mhall119 :)
[00:28]  * pleia2 works on
[00:28] <pleia2> (also yay!!!)
[00:28] <mhall119> thanks pleia2
[00:29] <mhall119> pleia2: I've got to run out and pick up meds before the pharmacy closes, I'll send the emails to -devel and -announce when I get back
[00:30] <pleia2> \o.
[00:30] <pleia2> \o/
[00:32] <pleia2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/09/uds-13-05-ubuntus-second-online-developer-summit/
[00:50] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: craving alfajores, I thought you were supposed to bring me some in copenhagen :)
[00:51] <pleia2> boo vuds, no cookies
[01:01] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: oh, really?! completely forgot about it, sorry!
[01:01] <JoseeAntonioR> will give you some when I see you again!
[01:01] <pleia2> hooray!
[01:01] <pleia2> I forgot too, just remembered I once tweeted a picture of some local ones and you were all "no no no, we will get you some REAL ones" :)
[01:01] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll get a 'make your own alfajores' box
[01:02] <pleia2> :D
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[16:05] <bkerensa> oh I fell out of this channel somehow
[16:06] <pleia2> wb
[16:06] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:07] <akgraner> you're back
[16:07]  * smartboyhw suddenly realizes that the Ubuntu News Team has more women than men wow;O
[16:08] <smartboyhw> Clearly the Ubuntu Women project is doing great:)


[02:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:25] <bittin> good morning
[11:44] <myappie> yo
[11:44] <myappie> lets try to make some ubuntu artwork
[12:28] <myappie> was interrupted by another idea
[12:28] <myappie> giant dehumidifiers for tropical metropolitan areas
[12:29] <myappie> https://imgur.com/a/9IxwLEp
[12:29] <myappie> like windmills, they generate energy too. i think it could actually work.
[13:18] <leftyfb> myappie: wrong channel
[13:58] <ravage> My guess was wrong medication. But sure.
[15:18] <Square> Do you have a todolist app you like?
[15:19] <daftykins> pencil and paper
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> todoist is cool
[15:20] <ravage> nextcloud notes works fine
[15:20] <ravage> but i actually just ose.. google keep :P
[15:22] <Square> lotuspsychje, is it web/electron based?
[15:22] <Square> Would prefer a low memory usage thing
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> https://todoist.com/
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> go check it out
[15:23] <Square> I love google keep, but for work I think i should have a native desktop app
[15:39] <leftyfb> you can turn google keep into a desktop app
[15:41] <Square> leftyfb, i use it mostly for personal stuff. So don't wanna mix life and work =D. Also I avoid web if I can.
[15:42] <leftyfb> you can switch between accounts within google keep


 Vitamin G exists !
[23:55] <Omnifrog> we call it B2 now. lol
[23:55] <Omnifrog> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0uz6YdTcM
[23:56] <Omnifrog> also, all health issues are the fault of women


[20:55] <akgraner> Hey all?  How's everyone doing on their sections and stuff?
[20:55] <akgraner> I leave for Ohio LinuxFest tomorrow afternoon so won't be on IRC or checking email until the evenings
[21:07] <highvoltage> akgraner: I'm flagged some planet items in my feed reader. I have french classes this evening so I'll summarize them tomorrow night
[21:07] <akgraner> highvoltage, awesome thank you!
[21:08] <akgraner> I'll be looking through my feeds tonight and tomorrow as well....
[21:08] <akgraner> thanks everyone!!
[22:13] <akgraner> YoBoY, you're on the French LoCo Team right?  You all are kicking but on the UWN/fr newsletter - Can you pass along a huge Thank you!!!
[22:13] <akgraner> s/but/butt
[22:15] <YoBoY> akgraner: hi :) what do you mean by UWN/fr newsletter, the translation of the last newsletter ?
[22:15] <akgraner> yes
[22:15] <akgraner> I've started seeing updates
[22:15] <akgraner> yay!!!
[22:19] <YoBoY> Ho yes, it's yann_ubuntu who restart that translation project :p
[22:21] <YoBoY> akgraner: I'll pass the tanks tomorow morning to him (it's in Japan, not online atm ^^")
[22:24] <akgraner> YoBoY, no worries - thanks a million!
[22:25] <YoBoY> btw, there is tips, or tools, or something else to make these translations easier ?
[22:26] <akgraner> YoBoY, also this cycle is winding down  - and I an finishing up the last few things I have as action items - After openweek but before uds (which would be the week of October 18th) do you want to talk translation stats etc and see how we can make those more beneficial to readers?
[22:26] <YoBoY> akgraner: tanks to you and your team for making this great uwn a reallity every weeks  ;)
[22:26] <YoBoY> akgraner: sure, just ping me
[22:27] <akgraner> YoBoY, not sure about tips or tools but we have some guidelines that have been in place longer than I have been on the news team - I can give you that link
[22:28] <akgraner> YoBoY, next cycle I want to take a closer look at these - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Translations
[22:28] <akgraner> and see if we need to adjust anything to make it easier for people wanting to translate UWN
[22:28] <YoBoY> great, i'll ask to yann to review that page
[22:28] <akgraner> but for that I will need the help of people who are the experts at that
[22:29] <akgraner> YoBoY, Thanks!


[16:15] <elacheche> Hello folks
[19:53] <pavlushka> elacheche: how to route between <IP_ADDRESS>(host) and <IP_ADDRESS>(host) manually? and how to set route in <IP_ADDRESS>(host) to be able to ping <IP_ADDRESS>(host)?


[00:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Hah yeah I would have thought you crazy, and made bluesabre do all the packaging if you wanted 4.15 in the LTS. :P
[08:42] <ochosi> Unit193: :]
[08:46] <Unit193> Heya.
[08:47] <ochosi> you up already/still? :)
[08:47] <Unit193> Pretty much always.
[08:48] <ochosi> :)
[17:38] <flocculant> some things never change :)
[18:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome


[18:15] <flocculant> tsimonq2: not really sure why bug 1523260
[18:16] <flocculant> all that's going to happen is a long list of people who've tested once
[18:34] <teward> dsmythies: you discovered what I learned a while ago.  Just use the one without the clipit command.
[18:35] <teward> (from your statements yesterday)
[18:40] <dsmythies> teward: Yes, but it is not obvious, and took me quite some time to figure out. So I am asking if it O.K. to go ahead and edit the wiki page to delete the clipit stuff, as it makes no sense to have it there.
[18:42] <dsmythies> teward: I think I'll go ahead and edit the page, since it is so simple to revert in the event of opposition anyhow.
[18:45] <dsmythies> flocculant: Why would the top 100 off all time be a big list of of people who have only tested once? I don't know, but doubt that it would get to the one time level at all. Currently number 20 is at 706. (feel free to ignore my comment, as I am not a regular here anyhow.)
[18:47] <flocculant> dsmythies: oh - never actually saw that top 20 thing
[18:47] <flocculant> thought it was about padding out the rest of it
[18:47] <flocculant> even so - can't see the point in having it :)
[18:48] <dsmythies> me neither, I was just saying is all.
[18:48] <flocculant> thanks - that'll be thing I learnt today :p
[18:54] <teward> dsmythies: you may want to add "In the event this command does not work, consider using this one instead: {same command minus clipit}"
[18:54] <teward> rather than outright removing it
[18:54] <teward> because there are those of us who QA test the point release ISOs :P
[18:54] <teward> me specifically since I spin up VMs based off the point release ISOs and a template
[18:54] <teward> :)
[18:55] <teward> dsmythies: but yes, it's not obvious, i actually beat my head against it for an hour when i was QA-testing the 15.10 ISOs
[18:57] <dsmythies> teward: So, you are saying the clipit stuff works for you? So, my issue is because I am using server edition with no GUI? Does it also mean I sent a bunch of stuff to that git site without even knowing that I did? (including several times while attempting to figure out what was going on).
[18:59] <teward> dsmythies: I used an Lubuntu 15.10 ISO last to test it, and clipit failed.  Ubuntu 14.04 ISO worked with clipit
[18:59] <teward> though given my test env. is a VMware virtual machine... irrelevance has its usefulness
[19:00] <teward> dsmythies: usually i just ignore the clipit part, get the link myself
[19:00] <teward> and type it into my host machine's browser
[19:00] <teward> but consider that you're also going to face this issue on other cases: people generating specific environments for latest-dev-release testing so there's adaptivity needed in the commands
[19:00] <teward> hence why i suggested having both sets of commands present
[19:17] <dsmythies> teward: O.K. thanks for the explaination. Myself, I prefer a lowest common denominator approrach. i.e. an example command line that one  knows will work in all situations. Regardless, I made an edit attempt. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware


[06:14] <kaushal> Hi
[06:14] <kaushal> I have followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[06:14] <kaushal> How do i reset root password of guest OS in KVM ?
[06:14] <kaushal> I mean VM root password
[08:33] <Auzzik> hi to all
[09:27] <sagaci> hi
[13:19] <head_victim> Evening all, just spammed the list with a bunch of info :)
[13:20] <head_victim> As follow up from the meeting we now have youtube and ustream accounts and I've set up a poll for the Brisbane release party.
[13:30] <sagaci> only looks like youtube supports cc-by?
[13:31] <head_victim> There is talk that if you put comments to say it's a different license that is acceptable but IANAL so I don't know how true/binding that is.
[13:32] <sagaci> yeah
[13:33] <head_victim> The only time I've had to deal with licenses personally is when I had a photo published in a magazine
[13:33] <head_victim> They were polite enough to ask permission so I just said use it however you want as long as I get a copy :P
[13:33] <head_victim> I've never written code.
[13:34] <head_victim> Oh and if anyone asks, I've put in an RT for http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/ being down.


[18:23] <derekcat> core, dev: Hey guys, trying to get started with juju-quickstart and I'm getting a certificate verify failed error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691122/  Any thoughts on this?
[18:30] <bdx> core, dev: Whats going on??
[18:32] <bdx> I'm trying to give some devs overhere at darkhorse a juju demo, and get them bootstrapped.... I'm having issues and seem to be blocked .... can't seem to get anyone bootstrapped to a local env, or openstack provider....
[18:33] <bdx> core, dev: "juju bootstrap -e local" and "juju-quickstart mediawiki-single" are failing on fresh trusty boxes
[18:36] <bdx> core, dev: no luck with "juju bootstrap -e openstack" either......any insight would be greatly appreciated..... I seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place here.... I will submit bugs for all of this, just thought I would run it by you guys on here first.... ~ thanks
[18:37] <derekcat> core, dev: I'm the poor soul bdx is trying to help get started with juju-quickstart
[18:59] <marcoceppi> o/ derekcat bdx
[19:00] <marcoceppi> derekcat bdx is there some kind of proxy or firewall with ingress/egress filtering?
[19:00] <bdx> marcoceppi: negative
[19:00] <marcoceppi> the url, https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/bundle/mediawiki-single/archive/bundle.yaml doesn't produce any SSL issues or warnings for me atm
[19:01] <marcoceppi> bdx: can you load that URL in a browser to see if you get the same errors?
[19:01] <marcoceppi> bdx: can you also lmk the version of juju (`juju version`) and quickstart (dpkg -l | grep quickstart) you're using?
[19:01] <derekcat> marcoceppi: It works find in a browser for me?
[19:01] <bdx> the browser resolves it just fine....no errors there...only with juju-quickstart...
[19:01] <marcoceppi> as you can probably guess, that's not supposed to happen ;)
[19:02] <derekcat> marcoceppi: Don't have dpkg - hang on
[19:02] <derekcat> marcoceppi: Wait... ubuntu command?  Sorry, on OS X here
[19:02] <derekcat> marcoceppi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1503003
[19:02] <mup> Bug #1503003: Cannot communicate with charm store <juju-quickstart:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503003>
[19:02] <marcoceppi> derekcat: ahhh, clarity
[19:03] <marcoceppi> derekcat: bdx said trusty machine so I assumed ubuntu
[19:03] <marcoceppi> derekcat: did you brew install quickstart?
[19:03] <derekcat> marcoceppi: correct
[19:03]  * marcoceppi checks that version
[19:03] <derekcat> marcoceppi: "brew install juju-quickstart" was the command
[19:04] <marcoceppi> derekcat: that may be lagged by a few releases, I'm not 100% certain
[19:05] <marcoceppi> I'm traveling atm, don't have access to my OSX box unfortunately to check there
[19:05] <marcoceppi> 2.2.1 is the latest version and that's the version you should have gotten with homebrew
[19:06] <aisrael> Looks like juju-quickstart is current in brew - 2.2.1
[19:06] <derekcat> marcoceppi: Yeah 2.2.1 is what brew installecd
[19:06] <marcoceppi> 2.2.1 is the latest version and that's the version you should have gotten with homebrew
[19:06] <aisrael> derekcat: what's the quickstart command you're running?
[19:07] <derekcat> marcoceppi, aisrael: juju-quickstart mediawiki-single
[19:07] <aisrael> derekcat: and what environment/provider are you using (juju switch)
[19:07] <marcoceppi> bdx: are you having other issues with Juju atm?
[19:07] <bdx> marcoceppi: yes ...many unfortunately
[19:08] <marcoceppi> bdx: well I'll see if I can help there while aisrael helps derekcat
[19:08] <bdx> marcoceppi: I'm writing up a bug right now for broken local provider ....
[19:08] <bdx> awesome
[19:08] <marcoceppi> bdx: so, you can't bootstrap - what version of juju?
[19:09] <bdx> marcoceppi: I cannot get juju to bootstrap local provider or openstack provider
[19:09] <bdx> 1.24.6-trusty-amd64
[19:09] <marcoceppi> bdx: alright, and if you bootstrap with `juju bootstrap --debug` what's the output?
[19:10] <bdx> when I try to bootstrap on a fresh trusty box I get : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691346/
[19:10] <derekcat> aisrael: openstack
[19:10] <bdx> local provider bootstrap^^
[19:10] <aisrael> derekcat: ok, cool. I'm deploying that bundle to aws now. Let me see if I can recreate
[19:10] <marcoceppi> bdx: what happens if you run `sudo initctl list | grep juju` - could you post the output?
[19:11] <derekcat> aisrael: Okey
[19:11] <bdx> marcoceppi: no output
[19:12] <marcoceppi> bdx:  the juju-db, which is monogdb, doesn't seem to be starting properly, are there any log files in /var/log/upstart/juju-* ?
[19:14] <bdx> marcoceppi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691411/
[19:15] <marcoceppi> bdx: is that from /var/log/upstart/juju-db.log?
[19:15] <bdx> juju-db-bdx-local.log ...yea
[19:16] <marcoceppi> bdx: well, that's the problem. juju-db (mongodb) package is stacktracing like crazy
[19:16] <marcoceppi> I've never seen that
[19:16] <marcoceppi> bdx: can you dpkg -l | grep juju-db to get a version?
[19:17] <bdx> marcoceppi: well theres the problem  .... no output
[19:17] <marcoceppi> bdx: how about for `juju-local` instead of juju-db?
[19:17] <marcoceppi> I can't really remember what the package name is
[19:18] <bdx> marcoceppi: I probably don't have juju-db installed for some reason ....I didn't know it was a seperate dep....1.24.6-0ubuntu1~14.04.1~juju1
[19:18] <marcoceppi> bdx: there may not actually be a seperate deb
[19:18] <bdx> ok
[19:18] <marcoceppi> bdx: it's juju-mongodb*
[19:18] <bdx> 2.4.9-0ubuntu3
[19:19] <marcoceppi> bdx: that's what I have, odd.
[19:19] <marcoceppi> i'm using the 1.25-beta but I'll spin up a VM real quick to test
[19:20] <bdx> marcoceppi: thanks!
[19:20] <marcoceppi> bdx: do you have mongodb proper installed as well?
[19:20] <bdx> yes
[19:21] <marcoceppi> bdx: I wonder if that's why, maybe it's calling the wrong mongodb binary
[19:21] <marcoceppi> which would explain the stacktrace
[19:21] <marcoceppi> I'll try both scenarios
[19:21] <bdx> totally
[19:21] <bdx> ok
[19:21] <bdx> my mongodb version - db version v2.4.9
[19:21] <bdx> mongod*
[19:22] <bdx> so to be explicit, I provision a new trusty/vagrant box with "vagrant init ubuntu/trusty64; vagrant up --provider virtualbox"
[19:23] <marcoceppi> bdx: oh, we can probably make this easier for you, we have a vagrant box with juju already installed and configured for local
[19:23] <marcoceppi> aisrael: where are the latest instructions forthat? the vagrant stuff?
[19:23] <bdx> ssh into the box, and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt install juju juju-core juju-local"
[19:23] <aisrael> derekcat: Unable to reproduce it on my end. I am on 10.11, though. Could you run it again with with --debug and pastebin that?
[19:24] <bdx> is there anything else I should be installing to get local provider working?
[19:24] <bdx> ok
[19:24] <marcoceppi> bdx: that's the sum of it
[19:24] <aisrael> marcoceppi: Current is still https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.24/howto-vagrant-workflow. I'm polishing the rewrite I started in DC this week.
[19:24] <derekcat> aisrael: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691475/
[19:25] <derekcat> aisrael: There you go
[19:25] <marcoceppi> bdx: ^ that vagrant image as the local provider already bootstrapped
[19:25] <bdx> marcoceppi: I would like to know how to provision local provider none the less, it should work anyway right?
[19:25] <aisrael> derekcat: ok, thanks. Give me a few. I think I might know what's up
[19:25] <marcoceppi> bdx: totally should work
[19:26] <marcoceppi> bdx: just trying to get you up in running while I suffer on airplane wifi to get this vm spun up
[19:26] <bdx> lol
[19:26] <bdx> awesome....thanks
[19:28] <bdx> I am pumped on that....but more importantly, this has been plagueing me for a while, and I would like to see it fixed so as I can tell devs to bootstrap a local provider and not have to provide work arounds to all
[19:29] <marcoceppi> bdx: I agree, and we're right here with you on that
[19:29] <marcoceppi> bdx: this is x86 architecture, right?
[19:29] <bdx> yes
[19:30] <aisrael> Do you have curl installed via brew or using the built-in version?
[19:30] <bdx> derekcat:^
[19:30] <aisrael> derekcat: also, openssl
[19:32] <aisrael> derekcat: I suspect `brew install openssl` will fix the problem. If that's the case, we might want to add that as a dependency to juju-quickstart
[19:32] <derekcat> aisrael: I think it's the built in version
[19:33] <derekcat> aisrael: let me try it, just a sec
[19:33] <bdx> so ....here is a big missing step.....lets say a user wants to bootstrap a local provider......there seems to be alot of missing info on what 3rd party packages are needed
[19:34] <derekcat> aisrael: Same error as the last paste-bin'ed >_<
[19:35] <marcoceppi> bdx: so, for most people, it's just been apt-get install juju juju-local and you're good to go
[19:37] <bdx> e.g. mongodb-server, lxc, juju-local.....I think a lot of people are really confused because they don't know to have the extra deps.....on top of that there are multiple versions and locations to get mongodb from ....if these are post juju install ops they should be doc'd up much better.....e.g. on a fresh trusty box after "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt install juju-local" I don't have lxc or
[19:37] <bdx> mongodb installed
[19:37] <marcoceppi> bdx: i just did that in a fresh trusty container without issue (though it's a LXD container on a linux laptop
[19:37] <aisrael> derekcat: ok. Let me try to recreate from another machine.
[19:38] <marcoceppi> bdx: it's not mongodb, it's juju-mongodb, and you should have lxc installed! bdx what does `dpkg -l | grep juju` show?
[19:38] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691581/
[19:38] <derekcat> aisrael: Okey
[19:39] <marcoceppi> bdx: this is what happened when I ran your install line on a fresh trusty machine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691585/
[19:39] <bdx> no lxc, thats for sure....you have lxc installed, and mongodb-server after "sudo apt install juju-local"???
[19:39] <marcoceppi> what in the, how did you not get all the other dependencies
[19:39] <marcoceppi> bdx: see my paste, it seems like your trusty vm isn't processing apt dependencies
[19:40] <marcoceppi> bdx: did you install juju-local?
[19:41] <bdx> totally....but then nothing is for that matter....I have tried this on openstack instances deployed with up to date cloud imgs....vagrant trusty box, intel nuc - fresh trusty server....same result on all
[19:41] <marcoceppi> bdx: that is so bizzare.
[19:42] <bdx> marcoceppi: following "vagrant init ubuntu/trusty64; vagrant up --provider virtualbox && vagrant ssh" I run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt install juju-local"
[19:44] <marcoceppi> bdx: huh, I've never used the apt command before, but it doesn't seem to have any flags that would interfere with package install
[19:45] <marcoceppi> bdx: I'm going to try to ssh into my OSX machine at home. I'm not even sure if SSH is enabled or whatever but my next step is to replicate your setup
[19:46] <bdx> marcoceppi: I just re-init'd my vagrant box, ran apt update, upgrade, and install juju-local and now have what look to be the correct pkgs e.g. lxc, mongodb
[19:46] <marcoceppi> bdx: most of the core developers are at a sprint right now, where I'm currently traveling to, so if I can't get an answer before I land I'll be surrounded by the people responsilbe for the tool ;)
[19:46] <marcoceppi> bdx: bizzare!
[19:47] <bdx> I know...I'm tripping out here....
[19:47] <bdx> o
[19:47] <bdx> ok
[19:47] <bdx> I'm now attempting a bootstrap to local
[19:47] <marcoceppi> totally rad, I can get to my OSX machine
[19:48] <marcoceppi> bdx derekcat: what version of OSX are you two on?
[19:48] <bdx> 10.10
[19:49] <marcoceppi> cool, I've got a Yosemite vm laying around with a fresh install
[19:49] <bdx> marcoceppi: awesome!
[19:51] <bdx> marcoceppi: I've a successfull local provider setup....I'll continue to monitor my installs and bootstrappings more closely to see if I can't reproduce more what I've been experiencing
[19:52] <marcoceppi> bdx: awesome! glad you were able to sort that out, though it's totally weird what you were seeing
[19:52] <marcoceppi> derekcat: I just installed juju-quickstart from homebrew on a clean yosemite machine, going to try to repro against aws
[19:53] <marcoceppi> bdx: glad you got it working, becuase I have no idea how to install a dmg from the command line
[19:53] <aisrael> derekcat: are you using stock python or installed from brew?
[19:53] <derekcat> aisrael: should be stock python
[20:02] <aisrael> derekcat: What's ruby -ropenssl -e "p OpenSSL::X509::DEFAULT_CERT_FILE" show?
[20:03] <bdx> marcoceppi: on to the second issue: "juju bootstrap -e openstack"
[20:03] <bdx> I've read through this: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/howto-privatecloud
[20:03] <marcoceppi> bdx: yes, next on the docket!
[20:04] <derekcat> aisrael: "/System/Library/OpenSSL/cert.pem"
[20:04] <aisrael> derekcat: great, thanks! Closer to recreating this
[20:04] <derekcat> aisrael:  ^_^
[20:05] <bdx> marcoceppi: when I "juju bootstrap -e openstack --debug" : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691759/
[20:05] <marcoceppi> bdx: okay, yeah, it's a simplestreams problem
[20:05] <bdx> it seems the default for tools url returns a 404
[20:05] <marcoceppi> this is always a pain to setup for the first time, but after it's setup it's fine
[20:06] <bdx> totally....I'm trying man
[20:06] <bdx> this seems like an issue, the default tools url: https://streams.canonical.com/tools
[20:07] <marcoceppi> bdx: minus your credentials, what does the openstack stanza in your environments.yaml fiile look like?
[20:07] <marcoceppi> bdx: OH, you're on 1.22.6
[20:07] <marcoceppi> I just realized that
[20:08] <hermanbergwerf> I'm not sure if this is a noob question but does it make sense to use small single core (say 512mb RAM) VMs for state servers?
[20:09] <marcoceppi> not bad, but the main archive lags behind the juju releases by a few minor releases because of the process to get updated releases into the main archive. We've ironed that out for releases going forward but there's still a but of a lag. While not directly related, you may want to add the stable juju ppa `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable` which ill give you the latest juju 1.24.6
[20:09] <marcoceppi> hermanbergwerf: that should be fine for the stateserver, the biggest limiting factor is typically diskspace before anything else
[20:09] <marcoceppi> bdx: ^^
[20:10] <bdx> arrrrg....ok
[20:10] <bdx> omp
[20:10] <marcoceppi> bdx: 1.22.6 isn't bad, it's just not latest, but it also won't directly solve your openstack issue
[20:11] <marcoceppi> bdx: the environments.yaml stanza sans credentials would be a good start for working though that
[20:12] <marcoceppi> derekcat: I was able to bootstrap and deploy the mediawiki-single against aws on a fresh 2.2.1 juju-quickstart on 10.10. The only difference is I had `bew install wget` run on that machine, which installs an updated version of openssl
[20:14] <bdx> marcoceppi: ok...upgraded to 1.24.6.... here's my environments.yaml openstack stanza : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691827/
[20:15] <derekcat> marcoceppi: Hmm...  What openssl version are you running?  The only odd thing is that I'm on 10.10.4 instead of 10.10.5..  Just tried brew install wget but no difference with the juju-quickstart error
[20:16] <marcoceppi> derekcat: very interesting
[20:17] <bdx> marcoceppi: now with update to 1.24.6 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691857/
[20:18] <beisner> coreycb, mind doing the honors?  gnuoy had +1'd, pending conflict resolution.  https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/charms/trusty/swift-proxy/amulet-update-1508/+merge/273445
[20:19] <coreycb> beisner, sure np
[20:20] <coreycb> beisner, hmm I don't see the +1
[20:20] <aisrael> marcoceppi: derekcat: supposedly this is an issue with urllib2/httplib, related to python not having ssl support built-in. Trying to find verification of that now.
[20:20] <beisner> coreycb, oh it's in the comment
[20:20] <beisner> if happy to merge == +1 that is
[20:20] <coreycb> gotcha
[20:23] <beisner> coreycb, one driveby on that.  all along, swift-proxy's make lint was --excluding hooks  o.O
[20:23] <coreycb> beisner, ah convenient!
[20:23] <beisner> lol
[20:24] <beisner> `flake8 --exclude hooks unit_tests tests lib` not-ftw
[20:24] <marcoceppi> aisrael: so odd, I'm not hitting it on my 10.10
[20:26] <marcoceppi> aisrael derekcat: this is what I have installed via brew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691913/
[20:29] <derekcat> marcoceppi aisrael: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12691936/
[20:29] <derekcat> marcoceppi aisrael: There's mien
[20:29] <derekcat> marcoceppi aisrael: There's mine*
[20:30] <marcoceppi> derekcat: the only main difference I see is no charm-tools, while this shouldn't have a change in juju-quickstart, I wonder if installing it (you'll probably want them anways) adds an updated version of a dep which addresses this ssl issue
[20:31] <derekcat> marcoceppi: No dice after installing charm-tools
[20:31] <marcoceppi> guh
[20:31] <derekcat> >_<
[20:32] <derekcat> Ok, I'm going to reload Yosemite on here and then update to Capitan..  I was overdue for this anyway >_<  I'll jump back in a while and let you guys know what it's looking like.
[20:33] <derekcat> aisrael marcoceppi: Thank you! Hopefully it's just some weird cruft..  BBL
[20:34] <marcoceppi> bdx: fwiw, you can let derekcat know I have a vanilla 10.10.4 machine
[20:35] <marcoceppi> bdx: did you create the imagestream metadata for your openstack?
[20:35] <marcoceppi> I don't see it listed in the en vironments.yaml file
[20:36] <beisner> coreycb, thx man
[20:44] <bdx> maroceppi: derekcat is in the process of reimaging to 10.10.4 he will be back ASAP (5 mins)
[20:45] <bdx> marcoceppi: yes I did...omp
[20:47] <marcoceppi> bdx: I don't see it listed in the environments.yaml file for image-metadata-url
[20:58] <bdx> marcoceppi: its a default....: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692149/
[21:02] <marcoceppi> bdx: on openstack installs that won't work because we don't know how your cloud is setup. it works fine on public clouds, since we have a partnership with them and publish images to those clouds
[21:02] <marcoceppi> bdx: since you're the one creating images in glance, you know the image ids, etc
[21:02] <marcoceppi> so you need to create metadata to tell juju where those images are
[21:02] <bdx> I see
[21:03] <marcoceppi> ie ubuntu-trusty = 7ad62ed4-6ba4-11e5-b31c-7b985e61fd10
[21:03] <marcoceppi> etc
[21:04] <marcoceppi> bdx: the top half of that page goes though how to generate the metadata, I'll be honest I haven't generated metadata for an openstack cloud in a while, lmk if you run into an issue. I distincly remember last time thinking "a lot of this could be automated"
[21:05] <bdx> marcoceppi: yeah ....totally will...
[21:05] <marcoceppi> bdx: I have about 30 mins of battery left, I'll be back online around 6pm PST
[21:16] <derekcat> marcoceppi, aisrael: Hey guys I'm back
[21:17] <marcoceppi> derekcat: hey, welcome back. aisrael stepped out to get some food I think and my battery is about 20 mins before failure
[21:17] <marcoceppi> derekcat: I've got a chromebook, so I'll try to jump back online when this dies, but just an fyi
[21:17] <derekcat> marcoceppi, aisrael: I'm about to pastebin another example, but it looks like it was cruft left on my system
[21:18] <derekcat> marcoceppi, aisrael: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692275/
[21:18] <bdx> marcoceppi: so....after generating my metadata with "juju metadata generate-image -i e41dee50-872e-4f37-8aee-b090e020ddad -d /Volumes/WorkHD/Users/jbeedy/juju/juju_meta/"
[21:19] <bdx> marcoceppi: I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692278/
[21:19] <bdx> marcoceppi: following which, I run "juju bootstrap --metadata-source /Volumes/WorkHD/Users/jbeedy/juju/juju_meta/"
[21:19] <marcoceppi> derekcat: okay, cool, so SSL is resolved, you're just going to have to wait for bdx to get a working openstack configuration done up. derekcat you'll basically have to edit the ~/.juju/environments.yaml file to put things like creds, and horizon ip in
[21:19] <derekcat> marcoceppi, aisrael: fresh imaged computer, did the ruby install of brew, xcode CLI tools, brew install juju-quickstart, juju-quickstart mediawiki-single
[21:19] <derekcat> marcoceppi: okey cool!
[21:20] <marcoceppi> derekcat: in the mean time you can sign up for http://developer.juju.solutions/ a program where we hand out AWS cloud time/credentials to those working on juju and charming
[21:20] <bdx> marcoceppi: then get this output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692284/
[21:20] <derekcat> marcoceppi, aisrael: Thank you so much for helping us troubleshoot this!  The fault is mine for having a crufty environment...
[21:20] <derekcat> marcoceppi: Will do!
[21:20] <marcoceppi> derekcat: no worries, glad we could get you going
[21:20] <bdx> marcoceppi: I feel this is due to the default tools url returning a 404
[21:21] <marcoceppi> bdx: interesting.
[21:21] <marcoceppi> bdx: was that using --debug ?
[21:22] <bdx> no, omp
[21:23] <bdx> marcoceppi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692306/
[21:23] <bdx> shoot....missed a key...oh well ...my bad
[21:23] <bdx> its a dev env anyway
[21:24] <marcoceppi> bdx: can you...huh, bdx this will fix it temporarily, battery is marching to zero, but this is NOT the right way to solve this
[21:24] <bdx> oooooh nnnnnoooooo
[21:24] <marcoceppi> bdx: add --upload-tools to your boostrap command
[21:25] <bdx> marcoceppi: still no luck even with --upload-tools : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692320/
[21:26] <marcoceppi> bdx: can you paste the command you supplied?
[21:26] <bdx> juju bootstrap --upload-tools --metadata-source /Volumes/WorkHD/Users/jbeedy/juju/juju_meta/ --debug
[21:26] <marcoceppi> --upload-tools should override whatever juju is doing and upload a copy of the local compiled tools
[21:26] <marcoceppi> beisner are you around?
[21:26] <beisner> o/ hi marcoceppi
[21:27] <marcoceppi> beisner: you probably have the most experience that's online right now, bdx is trying to setup access with juju to his openstack cloud
[21:27] <marcoceppi> beisner: but he's getting an error about tools not found
[21:28] <marcoceppi> bdx: what does `tree /Volumes/WorkHD/Users/jbeedy/juju/juju_meta/` show?
[21:28] <beisner> marcoceppi, bdx - hi.  i've got ~15min before i've got to head out and about.  but can be back online later in the eve too.
[21:29]  * beisner scrolls back, paste-hopping..
[21:29] <bdx> beisner: ok, no worries, we can pick this up later if you like....
[21:30] <bdx> marcoceppi: thanks for your help today
[21:31] <marcoceppi> bdx: no worries, got a sec to pastebin the output of `tree /Volumes/WorkHD/Users/jbeedy/juju/juju_meta/`? I have an idea
[21:31] <beisner> bdx, can you paste sanitized environments.yaml, and `keystone catalog`  and  `keystone endpoint-list`  and `neutron net-list` ?  that'll give me a good idea of the whats and wheres.
[21:32] <bdx> marcoceppi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692371/
[21:32] <bdx> beisner: omp
[21:33] <marcoceppi> bdx: I think I see the problem
[21:33] <bdx> marcoceppi: ?
[21:33] <marcoceppi> bdx: create a tools directory in your juju_meta dir, and add releases and streams into that
[21:33] <marcoceppi> bdx: you should only have images and tools in the juju_meta dir, then inside tools a streams and releases dir
[21:34] <bdx> oooooh
[21:34] <bdx> marcoceppi: niceeee
[21:34] <marcoceppi> bdx: give that a wirl, my bouncer will remain online, but I've got maybe 5 mins of batter left
[21:35] <marcoceppi> if you get a "launching instance" you should be pretty good to go from that point forward
[21:37] <marcoceppi> *suspense*
[21:37] <bdx> marcoceppi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692397/
[21:37] <bdx> after making your modifications
[21:37] <bdx> beisner: environments.yaml -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692390/
[21:38] <marcoceppi> bdx: bugger.
[21:38] <marcoceppi> bdx: you could try adding --agent-version=1.24.6 to your boostrap command, that *might* work
[21:39] <bdx> error: flag provided but not defined: --agent-version
[21:39] <marcoceppi> bdx: perfect, just was I expected *eye roll*
[21:39] <marcoceppi> bdx: I've got to hibernate, I'll try to jump on with my chrome book
[21:40] <bdx> beisner: keystone catelog -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692405/
[21:40] <bdx> marcoceppi: ok
[21:40] <bdx> beisner: keystone endpoint-list -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692430/
[21:41] <bdx> beisner: neutron net-list -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692442/
[21:44] <beisner> bdx, the file:/// thing i'm seeing strikes me as odd.  while that may work, it's different than my typical use.  ie:
[21:44] <beisner>  simplestreams.go:429 read metadata index at "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/swift/v1/simplestreams/data/streams/v1/index.json"
[21:45] <beisner> bdx, also, the environments.yaml says:  use network ***5f89.  but i don't see that net id in the paste.
[21:46] <beisner> which isn't the current roadblock of course, but once the streams are happy, will prob be an issue
[21:47] <bdx> beisner: gotcha....sorry about that .....the network id is currently up to date in my environments.yaml....that was an environments.yaml from a day or two ago...errr : network: 7af5fb70-7cde-4707-9564-2d770426b3de
[21:48] <beisner> bdx, ok cool.  just mentally wiring up all the various assets ;-)
[21:48] <bdx> totally.
[21:48] <beisner> i see product streams endpoint.  are you using it to feed glance images?
[21:49] <bdx> beisner: yea
[21:49] <beisner> and simplestreams ... are they in blobs?
[21:49] <bdx> beisner: should I use that as a tools url endpoint?
[21:50] <bdx> beisner: errr....im not sure ....omp
[21:53] <beisner> bdx, i've got to run, kiddo sports.  here is all i define in my environments.yaml.   simplestreams are in a blob (url above), and images are in glance.  everything else is automagic.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12692489/
[21:54] <bdx> beisner: awesome, I'll give you an update tomo on what I was able to figure out! Thanks for your help!
[21:54] <beisner> bdx, yw.  see ya!
[22:54] <marco-airplane> great, I crashed my bouncer
[22:54] <marco-airplane> bdx: How's it going?
[23:01] <aisrael> derekcat: glad to hear that fixed it!
[23:03] <marco-airplane> There you are marcoceppi
[23:05] <bdx> marco-airplane: whats up
[23:06] <marco-airplane> bdx: any progress?
[23:06] <bdx> still no luck bootstrapping openstack provider....I'm tearing down my dev stack atm to reprovision with some new network hardware....
[23:06] <marco-airplane> bdx: ack
[23:07] <marco-airplane> marcoceppi, silly bouncer


[00:10] <airsoftmodels> anybody download kubuntu 14.01 alpha 1?
[00:10] <bprompt> not me
[00:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> 14.04 alpha? yes
[00:11] <airsoftmodels> hey poisoned Dragon you over here too?
[00:12] <airsoftmodels> i am "empty" in the linuxmint-chat irc
[00:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol XD hi
[00:13] <airsoftmodels> how is 14.04 can i install it?
[00:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> seems ok.
[00:14] <airsoftmodels> i am downloading it now
[00:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-2/
[00:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, you found it
[00:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't even know there was an alpha2 iso
[00:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> I had installed it with the alpha1 iso
[00:15] <keithzg> Oh I should dig out my old computer.
[00:15] <keithzg> Or wait, maybe I'll wait until the beta.
[00:15] <keithzg> I've installed every beta on it starting with Dapper.
[00:15] <keithzg> How things invariably break has taught me almost all that I've learned about fixing such systems ;)
[00:21] <underdog> Are Kubuntu distros shipped with blobs in its Kernel?
[00:25] <valorie> oh right, chair
[00:25] <valorie> anyway....
[00:26] <valorie> blobs in the kernel?
[00:26] <valorie> we distribute sources for everything, underdog
[00:27] <valorie> they aren't downloaded automatically, however, you can just allow the download and you'll get all the sources you like
[00:32] <underdog> i don't want anything to do with proprietary stuff. But Thanks for the information.
[00:32] <jackyalcine> updates \o/
[00:45]  * Roey hands valorie an open bag of dates
[00:45] <Roey> organic, non-gmo, Deglet Noor
[00:45]  * TheFakeazneD525 slides valorie a cup of coffee too
[00:46]  * Roey hands valorie the bill
[00:46] <Roey> that's one cup of coffee and a bag of dates.
[00:47] <TheFakeazneD525> and a tip
[00:47] <TheFakeazneD525> don't forget to tip
[00:52] <Roey> Assuredly so.
[00:52] <Roey> valorie:  wake up wake up we're giving you food c'mon
[01:10] <jackyalcine> underdog: the kernel's pre-compiled but if you need the sources and headers, check the 'linux-{source|header}s' packages
[01:12] <underdog> jackyalcine: Thanks
[01:12] <jackyalcine> np
[01:13] <jackyalcine> anti-propreitary ftw :)
[01:19] <underdog> jackyalcine: yes indeed, my church is emacs!
[04:09] <bogfrog> I have another question
[04:09] <bogfrog> Where can I find the muon pacage manager on my drive
[04:09] <bogfrog> I am attempting to open an apt in firefox
[04:45] <keithzg> ugh, firefox
[04:45] <keithzg> why's it gotta be like that, with it's own dumb file picker and everything
[04:45] <keithzg> If you're still looking, try
[04:45] <keithzg> "which muon"
[04:45] <Jacob_> Hi
[04:45] <keithzg> which should give you the path to the binary, at least.
[04:46]  * keithzg meanwhile contemplates how the machine he's trying to make work is blithely ignoring his xorg.conf
[04:46] <Guest63241> So I restarted my computer and now muon doesn't exist!
[04:46] <Guest63241> How do you reinstall muon thru the command line?
[04:47] <keithzg> sudo apt-get install muon
[04:47] <Guest63241> lol sorry to bother you *derp*
[04:47] <Guest63241> bye.
[04:47] <keithzg> heh
[04:48] <Guest63241> How do you install the software center?
[04:49] <keithzg> It's "teach a man to fish" time ;)
[04:49] <Guest63241> I know about apt-get
[04:49] <keithzg> try "apt-cache search muon"
[04:50] <Guest63241> I just don't know the package name
[04:50] <Guest63241> WAIT, YOU CAN SEARCH FOR PACKAGES IN THE CLI?
[04:50]  * keithzg does everything on the CLI!
[04:51] <Guest63241> :D
[04:51] <keithzg> I do believe the Software Center is muon-discover
[04:51] <Guest63241> Yeah, I searched for it
[04:52] <Guest63241> Thanks dude, you might have just changed my life
[04:52] <Guest63241> :-)
[04:52] <Guest63241> lol
[04:52] <keithzg> No problem :)
[04:52] <keithzg> When you're ready for a level up, try aptitude ;)
[05:07] <valorie> mmmmm dates!
[05:07] <valorie> but I have no stinky cheese to eat with 'em
[05:07] <valorie> dates and nuts are good, though
[06:09] <Whiskey`Wonka> im trying to configure/connect to a openvpn server from 13.10 using the network applet. when trying there is no responce at all, no errors displayed. any ideas what im missing?
[07:27] <apb1963> How can I downgrade qt 4.8.2 to qt 4.8.1 ?
[08:39] <jackyalcine> apb1963: you familiar with aptitude?
[08:39] <jackyalcine> if not, look into Muon Pacakge Manager
[08:39] <jackyalcine> it has the ability to downgrade packages
[08:39] <apb1963> jackyalcine: I use apt... and I also use Muon
[08:40] <jackyalcine> That has a high chance of breaking your system though
[08:40] <apb1963> apt-get
[08:40] <jackyalcine> I'd say look into Muon
[08:40] <apb1963> jackyalcine: yeah.... I know :(  And I can't afford to do that.
[08:40] <jackyalcine> because this is kind of tricky in the CLI
[08:40] <jackyalcine> CLI = command line interface
[08:41] <apb1963> jackyalcine: Right now I'm looking for a way to determine what packages depend on libqtcore4 4.8.2
[08:41] <Shikieiki_> anyone here know how risky it is to upgrade {k,}ubuntu through two versions (13.10 and 14.04) without rebooting
[08:41] <Shikieiki_> ?
[08:43] <jackyalcine> that's configuration-dependent off-the-bat Shikieiki_
[08:43] <jackyalcine> going from 13.04 to 13.10 shouldn't be too bad
[08:43] <Shikieiki_> what do you mean jackyalcine?
[08:43] <jackyalcine> but to 14.04 would be rocky.
[08:43] <apb1963> krashecd
[08:43] <apb1963> krashed
[08:43] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: in a vanilla set-up, it'd be easier
[08:43] <Shikieiki_> rocky because of the lack of rebooting?  or rocky in general?  because iirc i've never re-installed since 10.10 or w/e
[08:44] <Shikieiki_> what do you mean a vanilla setup, like, a clean intall, or just no exotic configurations?
[08:44] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: but with more installed packages, the chances of broken deps rise (ever so slightly)
[08:44] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: like right off the ISO :)
[08:44] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: rebooting will be required; your kernel version will change.
[08:45] <Shikieiki_> i've upgraded my kernel for >100 days without needing to reboot
[08:45] <Shikieiki_> but idk if there's anything which absolutely will refuse to work unless being restarted (like the upstart or whatever kubuntu's init is called)
[08:46] <jackyalcine> You can have multiple kernels installed at one time.
[08:46] <jackyalcine> But only one can be used.
[08:46] <Shikieiki_> i know
[08:46] <jackyalcine> If you ran `uname -a`, it wouldn't say 3.11 or higher
[08:47] <jackyalcine> if you're still on 10.10 like you mentioned
[08:47]  * jackyalcine checks
[08:47] <Shikieiki_> oh, no i'm on 13.04
[08:47] <Shikieiki_> i just meant, i never did a fresh install since 10.10
[08:47] <jackyalcine> OH!
[08:47] <jackyalcine> you'll be fine
[08:47] <jackyalcine> lol
[08:47] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: neither have I
[08:48] <jackyalcine> I actually have a 10.10 disc and I just upgrade all the way from there.
[08:48] <Shikieiki_> but i'm not worried about upgrading, i'm worried about upgrading with no plan to reboot in the future
[08:48] <Shikieiki_> *near future
[08:48] <Shikieiki_> *upgrading twice
[08:48] <jackyalcine> I went from 13.04 to 13.10 only rebooting to use the newer kernel
[08:49] <Shikieiki_> if my buntu is at eol, no more security updates will roll out for it specifically, which is not good
[08:49] <jackyalcine> Right.
[08:50] <Shikieiki_> but i shouldn't have any issues if i do-release-upgrade twice in a row and stay up for ~200 more days?  i'm trying to get an uptime record (personal record), to squeeze the last out of kubuntu before i try and switch to a new distro
[08:51] <jackyalcine> That I don't know
[08:51] <jackyalcine> I'm going to hope that you wouldn't have to
[08:51] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: I leave uptime records for servers :P
[08:52] <jackyalcine> apb1963: I don't see 4.7.x in my package list http://i.imgur.com/f5aKcKa.png
[08:52] <Shikieiki_> heh, that's exactly why i'm doing this, because huge uptime on a regularly used desktop (or laptop) is a lot more fun than some server which will already stay up for years
[08:52] <jackyalcine> apb1963: but I'm running saucy with the -proposed and -beta PPAs
[08:52] <apb1963> jackyalcine: I don't know why you're looking for 4.7 ?
[08:53] <jackyalcine> apb1963: didn't you want an older version of Qt?
[08:53] <apb1963> jackyalcine: 4.8.1
[08:53] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: you use ususwp?
[08:53] <jackyalcine> apb1963: ah, my bad. lemme look
[08:53] <jackyalcine> apb1963: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[08:53] <apb1963> jackyalcine: What  I really need at this point is a way to find packages that are dependent on 4.8.2
[08:54] <apb1963> 12.04, but since kubuntu is a distribution and I'm running kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu 12.04 I really don't know the right answer.
[08:54] <jackyalcine> apb1963: Muon Package Manager can do that http://i.imgur.com/aI0i5PY.png
[08:54] <Shikieiki_> jackyalcine: ususwp?
[08:55] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: it's a means of hibernating your laptop
[08:55] <jackyalcine> apb1963: but for 12.04; I wouldn't be able to help :/
[08:56] <Shikieiki_> oh, i don't hibernate
[08:56] <jackyalcine> D:
[08:56] <jackyalcine> on a desktop?
[08:57] <apb1963> jackyalcine: checking it out
[08:57] <Shikieiki_> me? i'm on a laptop
[08:57] <jackyalcine> Shikieiki_: and the laptop never turns off?
[08:57] <jackyalcine> I use hibernation on my laptop with a tiny 24GB SSD to get a decent uptime
[08:57] <jackyalcine> at most 4 days
[08:58] <jackyalcine> not today though :P
[08:58] <Shikieiki_> hasn't for 110 days
[08:59] <jackyalcine> D: epic laptop?
[08:59] <Shikieiki_> although i always keep it plugged in, it's basically my desktop, but a laptop.  i have a smaller netbook i use for mobility (which i'm on now, sshed into the other laptop)
[08:59] <jackyalcine> ahh something was suspecting that
[08:59] <Shikieiki_> epic?
[08:59] <jackyalcine> lol epic == shot battery laptop in my book
[09:00] <jackyalcine> or one with infinity battery life
[09:00] <Shikieiki_> nah, it's battery is fine
[09:00] <Shikieiki_> well, not "fine", but >50% maximum capacity
[09:00] <Shikieiki_> only 2 years old
[09:01] <jackyalcine> not bad
[09:03] <apb1963> jackyalcine: ok that gives me dependencies... I  need reverse dependencies
[09:04] <apb1963> jackyalcine: what depends on qt... not what qt depends on.
[09:04] <jackyalcine> apb1963: I just showed you that
[09:04] <jackyalcine> there's a droplist
[09:04] <jackyalcine> and it shows an option to view Reverse Dependenices
[09:04] <jackyalcine> *Dependencies
[09:06] <apb1963> o i c... sorry...  brain isn't functioning at this time of night
[09:06] <apb1963> I wonder what the equivalent cli is
[09:07] <apb1963> jackyalcine: it looks like every single package on my system :(
[09:08] <jackyalcine> apb1963: I wouldn't know how to do this in the CLI
[09:08] <jackyalcine> apb1963: it can be very close
[09:08] <jackyalcine> but I don't know if these are hard dependencies.
[09:10] <apb1963> I don't either
[09:12] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[09:12] <ovidiu-florin> how can I get homerun on Kubuntu?
[09:12] <ikonia> homerun ?
[09:12] <ikonia> what's that
[09:17] <jackyalcine> homerun's dope
[09:17] <jackyalcine> ovidiu-florin: it should be in the ppa
[09:17] <jackyalcine> s/ppa/repositories/g
[09:17] <ovidiu-florin> ikonia: http://userbase.kde.org/Homerun
[09:17] <jackyalcine> the package name would be 'plasma-widget-homerun', ovidiu-florin
[09:18] <ikonia> is there not a stable build for it in the main repos ?
[09:18] <jackyalcine> ikonia: there is
[09:18] <ikonia> so why would you need a PPA ?
[09:18] <jackyalcine> ikonia: I typed that by mistake
[09:18] <ikonia> ahh
[09:18] <jackyalcine> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/plasma-widget-homerun
[09:18] <jackyalcine> it looks like it's available as of 13.04
[09:21] <ovidiu-florin> raring is old
[09:22] <jackyalcine> not old enough
[09:22] <jackyalcine> the maintainer of Homerun hangs out here
[09:22] <jackyalcine> but he's not here now
[09:24] <jackyalcine> I'm actually going to go ahead and install the default ubuntu desktop as well as GNOME shell for the hell of it
[09:24] <jackyalcine> lol
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:54] <Yulia> hi)
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hey Yulia
[11:58] <Yulia> How are you doing:)
[11:58] <Yulia> or what are you doing?:)
[11:58] <Yuriy> кто нить по русски говорит?
[11:59] <Yulia> Yuriy, what?
[11:59] <Yuriy> anybody can talk russian?
[11:59] <swex> да
[11:59] <Yulia> da-da
[11:59] <Yuriy> как приятно! я просто тут первый раз. вдруг низзя
[12:00] <swex> не стоит
[12:00] <Yulia> mozhno vse:)
[12:00] <Yuriy> ок
[12:00] <Yulia> vot i pogovorili
[12:01] <swex> Yulia: that is place to solve problems
[12:01] <Yulia> ok, i get it
[12:05] <BluesKaj> but not in Russian
[12:31] <eagles0513875> hey guys I installed a kernel that someone package to potentially see if it fixed an issue with a patch, and it has not. how do i uninstall it and go back to the standard system kernels used by 13.10
[12:32] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, sudo apt-get remove --purge 2.6.24-25-* (example)
[12:32] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: would that work even if i installed the package via dpkg and the deb itself
[12:33] <eagles0513875> thanks BluesKaj seems to be doing the trick :)
[12:34] <BluesKaj> all the package managers use dpkg no matter what the namea are including apt
[12:38] <eagles0513875> thanks BluesKaj need to reboot now :)
[12:38] <eagles0513875> brb
[12:39] <BluesKaj> did you update grub ?
[12:39] <eagles0513875> yes
[12:39] <BluesKaj> good
[13:22] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: im stumped with my track pad though
[13:22] <eagles0513875> system detects it but doesnt work at all
[13:23] <jussi> eagles0513875: have you checked there isnt a HW switch for it... ie. a FN+ something or so?
[13:23] <eagles0513875> jussi: there is and i have tried that and nothing as well nothing in system settings to switch it off and on from there either
[13:24] <BluesKaj> usually f6 , switches it
[13:25] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, synaptiks installed ?
[13:26] <eagles0513875> on my laptop its fn + f5
[13:26] <eagles0513875> and BluesKaj it is
[13:27] <eagles0513875> jussi:  BluesKaj could this be something to do with the kernel missing something in terms of compiled module
[13:29] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, do you have synaptiks in the system tray set to "Automtically start at logon" ?
[13:29] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: its not in the system tray
[13:30] <BluesKaj> it could be hidden
[13:30] <eagles0513875> no its not there
[13:30] <eagles0513875> and configuration is a bit wonky
[13:30] <eagles0513875> system settinggs are a bit screwey for sure
[13:31] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: synaptiks seems to try to load then crashes i think
[13:32] <eagles0513875> ok from command line it started BluesKaj i enabled it to autostart at login
[13:33] <BluesKaj> right
[13:34] <eagles0513875> should i restart and see if it works
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yes, in order for the settings to stick
[15:36] <apb1963> LibreOffice crashes about every 30 seconds or so... what can I do to figure out why?
[15:36] <apb1963> ubuntu 12.04 with kubuntu-desktop
[15:38] <apb1963> kubuntu-desktop:
[15:38] <apb1963>   Installed: 1.254.1~ppa6
[15:38] <marcellux_> hi. any one tried linphone on kubuntu?
[15:38] <apb1963> marcellux_: why?
[15:39] <marcellux_> I was trying it. every time a friend called me, I had to restart the router
[15:40] <apb1963> marcellux_: installing it now... normally I use either sflphone or jitsi
[15:42] <marcellux_> router started playing crazy
[15:43] <apb1963> marcellux_: I installed it... but it's not showing up on  my menu
[15:44] <marcellux_> applications > internet > linphone
[15:45] <apb1963> yes that did it... odd that search couldn't find it.
[15:46] <marcellux_> weird program
[15:50] <apb1963> it wants to force me to use a proxy
[15:51] <apb1963> maybe... maybe not... cancelled out of that.. let me see if I can call out
[15:55] <apb1963> error: Cannot create LinphoneAddress, bad uri [6218345353]
[15:55] <apb1963> this thing is junk
[15:55] <apb1963> lol
[15:57] <apb1963> I can't even tell if i'm registered or not.... it appears I am...but who knows?
[15:57] <apb1963> marcellux_: any reason you don't just use sflphone?
[15:57] <marcellux_> I am trying it now, but no video calls...
[15:58] <marcellux_> I was looking for an alternative to skype
[15:58] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:58] <apb1963> marcellux_: I don'[t use video, but.... I'm pretty sure it has video support
[15:58] <apb1963> good morning lordievader
[15:58] <lordievader> Hey apb1963, how are you doing?
[15:59] <apb1963> marcellux_: you can ask on #sflphone as to the status of video
[15:59] <apb1963> lordievader: I'm ok... you?
[15:59] <lordievader> apb1963: Doing allright, bit tired.
[15:59] <apb1963> lordievader: yeah I only got 4 hours last night
[16:00] <lordievader> apb1963: About the same here.. :(
[16:01]  * apb1963 purges linphone
[16:02] <apb1963> a pox. a pox I say!
[16:02] <apb1963> :)
[16:03] <apb1963> marcellux_: sflphone HAS video support  ...  Project sflphone-daemon-multi » precise build #960: SUCCESS in 5 mn 44 s: http://test.savoirfairelinux.com/job/sflphone-daemon-multi/label=precise/960/
[16:04] <apb1963> marcellux_: but since I don't have a cam, I can't verify that it works
[16:05] <apb1963> marcellux_: oops... looked at wrong thing...   Project sflphone-daemon-video-multi » precise build #166: SUCCESS in 6 mn 23 s: http://test.savoirfairelinux.com/job/sflphone-daemon-video-multi/label=precise/166/
[16:33] <fabio123> vlc or gstreamer for phonon?
[16:33] <fabio123> i didn't get the audio from the gstreamer package so i got vlc
[16:49] <Aniar> well, I'll start here... briefly: I've been a KDE user since 2007 or so on Debian. Recently live-upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 with do-release-upgrade. No errors reported during upgrade. When I rebooted, though, lightdm is starting, but not starting my xsession.  I can log in on console and "startx" successfully, but I can't log in from lightdm
[16:49] <Aniar> There's no errors in my /var/log/xorg.*.log files (and only 1 non-font warning about not loading xmir
[16:50] <Aniar> with no gui, research is... limited
[16:50] <Aniar> but I'm installing lynx to google it now - wondering if anyone has any experience/thoughts/kick me to #xorg ?
[16:53] <jjinco33> Does it kick you back to login screen, blank screen or out to console?
[16:53] <Aniar> jjinco33: login screen
[16:54] <Aniar> jjinco33: and it's happening for both my account and my "no homedir normally exists" backup account.
[16:54] <Aniar> jjinco33: there's no files in /tmp owned by the backup account either (that screws up gnome all the time)
[17:01] <jjinco33> I had a similar issue after upgrade and had to remove .Xuathority file form my home directory, youc an also see if it changed to be owned by root and change it back to belong to you
[17:03] <Aniar> jjinco33: thanks, checking...
[17:03] <Aniar> jjinco33: although my backup admin had a completely empty homedir...
[17:03] <jjinco33> yeah, not sure on that one
[17:03] <Aniar> nope
[17:04] <Aniar> nothing in syslog other than acpid client connect/disconnect messages
[17:05] <jjinco33> When you can get to browser ... https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?62529-Can-t-login-after-upgrade-to-13-04
[17:06] <jjinco33> Suggested solution there was to install and use kdm instead of lightdm
[17:07] <Aniar> worth looking into, thanks.  odd - my ~/.xsession-errors only has 3 lines, one of them complaining...
[17:08] <Aniar>  /usr/sbin/lightdm-session: 5: exec: init: not found
[17:08] <Aniar> too bad there's no "lightdm"
[17:09] <jjinco33> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[17:09] <Aniar> jjinco33: already did that before coming in, didn't help.  same with dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[17:09] <Aniar> trying the kdm workaround - it's 100% ok with me.
[17:10] <Aniar> that worked just fine, thanks!
[17:10] <jjinco33> ok, the person in teh thread I linked had teh same issue and had to switch to kdm. Appears lightdm never worked for him after upgrade
[17:10] <jjinco33> Cool. Glad to hear it
[17:11] <Aniar> I rebuild from scratch every 18-24 months anyways, so that'll probably happen this year, and can see where things fall out then.
[17:11] <sdaugherty> Does kubuntu automatically start gpg-agent by default?
[17:16] <jjinco33> Aniar: I do the same and usually have problems like this solved when I do
[17:20] <jjinco33> sdaugherty: Starting with 13.10 it stopped. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2187463 for a fix
[18:44] <tosshs> hello world
[18:44] <tosshs> anyone using steam here
[18:45] <jjinco33> tosshs: I am
[18:46] <tosshs> jjicon33, i have troubles running it
[18:46] <jjinco33> What kind of troubles
[18:47] <tosshs> do you run the official pakage
[18:47] <jjinco33> yes
[18:47] <tosshs> well
[18:47] <tosshs> when i install it i have to log to finish the instalation and at some time steam just quit
[18:49] <genii> tosshs: They may know more about how to solve your issue in the #ubuntu-steam channel
[18:49] <jjinco33> It is with the most recent .deb from valve/steam?
[18:49] <jjinco33> What version of Kubuntu?
[18:50] <tosshs> 13.10
[18:51] <tosshs> and yes, i just dloaded it
[18:52] <jjinco33> What gpu, intel, amd, nvidia?
[18:53] <tosshs> NVIDIA Driver Version: 331.38
[18:53] <tosshs> gtx 460 howk talon
[18:53] <tosshs> hawk*
[20:18] <tosshs> steamers, have you seen this error: .local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 755:  2321 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) $STEAM_DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$PLATFORM/$STEAMEXE" "$@"
[20:18] <tosshs> on kubuntu
[20:18] <tosshs> this is the output of running steam on CLI
[20:19] <lordievader> tosshs: As genii has mentioned before, you might be betteroff in #ubuntu-steam
[20:21] <tosshs> lordievader: thanks,
[20:21] <tosshs> #ubuntu-steam
[20:21] <tosshs> join #ubuntu-steam
[20:21] <tosshs> lucky shot :)
[20:22] <lordievader> tosshs: /join #ubuntu-steam
[20:46] <tosshs> jjinco33: are you still here
[20:46] <tosshs> if yes, here is something to think about :):
[20:46] <tosshs> or may think about
[20:47] <tosshs> line 755 is actually the "fi" of the "if [ "$STEAM_DEBUGGER" == "gdb" ] || [ "$STEAM_DEBUGGER" == "cgdb" ]; then", what i previously mentioned
[20:47] <tosshs> the line after "fi", 756 is: STATUS=$?
[20:48] <tosshs> for those who joined recently, i am trying to run steam on kubuntu 13.10 x64 and i get : .local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 755:  2321 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) $STEAM_DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$PLATFORM/$STEAMEXE" "$@"
[20:54] <jjinco33> Is that during install still, or after install on first launch?
[21:15] <astropirate> Hello friends
[21:15] <astropirate> Is there a way to change default look and feel of java applications? I am trying to use netbeans and it looks fugly
[21:40] <bprompt> astropirate:     think not, unless provided by the java app itself
[21:48] <dcmNindy> web link on kubuntu page for intel 64bit kubuntu 12.04 LTS iso download comes up as a 64 bit amd file name,  what gives???
[21:57] <kalekip1> Does anybody know if the Ubuntu 13.10 theme is available for 12.04?
[21:57] <kalekip1> I used to have 13.10, but now I'm on 12.04 and the awesome theme is less awesome.
[22:04] <dcmNindy> web link on kubuntu page for "intel 64bit kubuntu 12.04 LTS" iso download comes up as a 64 bit amd file name,  what gives???
[22:08] <BluesKaj> dcmNindy, your download includes EM64T architecture, which is 64bit intel
[22:17] <genii> dcmNindy: It's tradition to name the 64bit version amd64 because AMD was the first cpu maker with 64 bit chips
[22:18] <genii> dcmNindy: In the same way in which a nod is given to Intel with x86  meaning the 8086 and it's descendents
[22:23] <jackyalcine> fun fact!
[22:25] <genii> jackyalcine: :)
[22:27] <dcmNindy> thank you genii, I really appreciate that :)
[22:28] <dcmNindy> thank you also BluesKaj, I really appreciate that :)
[22:32] <rberg> yep, and Intels IA-64, never really panned out..  Itanium was used on servers and never made it to desktops
[22:33] <genii> rberg: I think I have some box around here like that, with NuBus memory
[22:34] <rberg> nice!
[22:57] <dcmNindy> quit
[22:59] <dcmNindy> bye
[22:59] <genii> dcmNindy: /quit     :)
[23:00] <dcmNindy> thanks


[00:08] <tsimonq2> I'm glad someone ended up making a cheat sheet for Lubuntu on DuckDuckGo: https://daveden.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/lubuntu-keyboard-shortcuts-cheat-sheet/
[00:09] <tsimonq2> later on we should consider doing one for LXQt because DuckDuckGo is the default search engine in Qupzilla, the browser we will likely move to
[00:09] <tsimonq2> (for LXQt)
[00:09] <tsimonq2> and someone's probably gonna right away try to search something like this
[00:10] <tsimonq2> FWIW https://beta.duckduckgo.com/?q=lxde+cheat+sheet&ia=cheatsheet&iax=1
[01:51] <phillw> wxl: You cannot be on here and "leave you alone"... you are a Team Leader... If you want to be "left alone" stop being a TL... getting chatted to comes with the job description.
[01:57] <wxl> phillw: as aforementioned, you are welcome to contact me publicly. leave me alone privately.
[01:59] <phillw> tsimonq2: hopefully we will have an alpha site up next week. I sadly note that you will not be a  part of LXQt, which I know you care a lot about.
[02:03] <phillw> wxl: I actually granted you privialidge of a log from a PM out of respect, I can assure you that it will not happen again.
[02:05] <wxl> phillw: and i assure you that no one in their right mind considers insulting someone a respectful action, regardless of whether or not it represents their true feelings. look, you're welcome to contact me here or other official and public lubuntu communication methods about stuff directly related to lubuntu. otherwise, please don't. you've done quite enough.
[02:07] <tsimonq2> phillw: quite frankly, I fully agree with what wxl just said. same for me. go to bed, it's 3:07 am.
[02:07] <phillw> wxl: how is the poll going that you want to remain open for another week? http://doodle.com/poll/ga6h8kde3sy85qgc are you hoping for a late rally, or can us devs actually get on with making the server area?
[02:09] <phillw> tsimonq2: he hates losing a vote.... I think that is common in many countries... I want to get things working.
[02:10] <phillw> teward: ^^
[02:19] <phillw> tsimonq2: 37 -4 -2 ... I'd actually like to go bed and set up virt7 as the MediaWiki machine, but wxl has insisted for the poll to be open for a week. As openess is so important the poll will remain open and we can then ask our head of dev as to using moinmoin or mediawiki.


[02:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, the codex alera stuff is ok. Nice quiet story time. Not mind bending, but kept interesting enough. Every once in a while I'd catch myself going "Oooh, good word there, well played"
[02:28] <rick_h_> audible reader did a pretty good job with it
[02:28] <cmaloney> Very cool.
[02:28] <cmaloney> Jim Butcher does write rather well
[02:29] <rick_h_> yea, the writing, as far as structure and such is really well done
[02:30] <rick_h_> the story is ok. It's not epic, but it's above your average by a notch.
[02:30] <rick_h_> and like everything, you have to mentally just skip over a few things :)
[02:30] <cmaloney> Sadly there's a lot of middling fantasy out there.
[02:30] <cmaloney> I did like Dragon's Ring and Dog and Dragon
[02:30] <rick_h_> meh, I read some middling stuff. It's casual time for me so I probably put up with more than some
[02:31] <cmaloney> Not sure it's stand-out but it definitely had some humor to it
[02:32] <rick_h_> I just put The Hurog Duology on my wishlist to go through next
[02:32] <rick_h_> rated pretty high
[02:33] <cmaloney> Will check it out
[02:33] <rick_h_> I've got the first book to something like 4 series downloaded to check out
[02:33] <rick_h_> figure read the first and if it's any good go through the rest
[02:33] <rick_h_> which is what ended up happening with codex alera
[02:33] <cmaloney> I'm half-assedly reading The Lord of the Isles
[02:34] <rick_h_> hmm, 3 stars
[02:34] <cmaloney> it's part of a longer series
[02:34] <cmaloney> Written well but starting off really slowly.
[13:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:18] <rick_h_> morning
[13:18] <rick_h_> nothing like starting the morning off buying woot wine. I feel like I should be sneaky buying alcohol at 8am http://wine.woot.com/offers/harvest-moon-rrv-pinot-noir-3
[13:41] <cmaloney> rick_h_: What posessed you? :)
[13:41] <rick_h_> :)
[13:41] <cmaloney> Sounds like it'll be a middling wine
[13:41] <rick_h_> well ratings on cellertracker are low 80s to low 90s
[13:42] <rick_h_> and I like other pinots from that area of sonoma
[13:42] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Piece of advice: Winde scores are rubbish
[13:42] <rick_h_> :)
[13:42] <rick_h_> point is mainly some people like it and I like some from that area
[13:42] <cmaloney> I used to go by those scores and frankly I don't think there's any difference between an 88 and a 92
[13:42] <rick_h_> it's all personal taste
[13:43] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Yeah, no worries. Will be interested to see what pans out. :)
[13:44] <cmaloney> Just feels like a fire-sale on a not-particularly-outstanding year.
[13:44] <rick_h_> well, this is my second one
[13:45] <rick_h_> the first one came with a nice note from the vinyard "come out and taste our wines, join our wine club, get more wine here"
[13:45] <rick_h_> so feels more like a sales/trial kind of thing
[13:45] <rick_h_> based on that one buy
[13:45] <cmaloney> Ah, OK.
[13:45] <cmaloney> It's a wine business card. ;)
[13:46] <rick_h_> yea, "buy two get one free and check out our catalog"
[18:36] <cmaloney> brousch: http://dadmetal.bandcamp.com/album/dad-metal-vol-i
[18:39] <brousch> Might be worth getting my headphones out to listen to at work
[18:40] <greg-g> hah
[20:17] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Stop trying to woo my wife with numbers. ;)
[20:19] <rick_h_> oh boy, whoops
[20:19] <rick_h_> too
[20:19] <rick_h_> damn phone
[20:20] <brousch> It was too funny to ignore
[20:20] <rick_h_> I completely missed it
[20:21] <brousch> Now I have to turn my lewd remark into a frowny face
[20:39] <cmaloney> hah
[21:12] <rick_h_> hah, and the sounds of 10,000 technophiles screaming 'noooooo' is heard across the land http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/13/google-acquires-nest/?ncid=rss_truncated
[21:13] <greg-g> lol
[21:14] <rick_h_> it does make me hold out hope for connected home gadgets though
[21:14] <rick_h_> googleio showed off all that stuff 2 years ago and been nadda since
[21:15] <brousch> Just make your own with raspberrypis and sensors
[21:15] <rick_h_> I've got enough to do than dealing with a bunch of little rpi programming and such
[21:15] <greg-g> one company to rule your whole life. from your kids photos to your house temperature (oh, and did we mention that we have the audio recording from those thermostats? oh yeah, that too)
[21:15] <greg-g> ;)
[21:16] <rick_h_> yea, double edged sword. I just want to be able to control it all from my phone. Each company doing their own thing is annoying
[21:16] <rick_h_> but hate to put all your eggs in the one basket
[21:16] <greg-g> :)
[21:16] <greg-g> speaking of rpis, I kinda want to get one to treat as a mini server
[21:16] <jrwren> omg, google!!! I blame NEST for selling to them :)
[21:17] <jrwren> greg-g: $29 at microcenter right now. get two!
[21:17] <brousch> You'll also need an SD card (class 10)
[21:17] <greg-g> was thinking about getting the NOOB card
[21:18] <greg-g> I want as little futzing time as possible
[21:18] <brousch> bah, you just use dd to write the image
[21:18] <greg-g> sure
[21:18] <greg-g> ok
[21:18] <brousch> dd bs=4M if=myrpi.img of=/dev/sdb
[21:18] <greg-g> after that, install ArkOS or something and play
[21:18] <jrwren> beagleboneblack was pretty good server OOTB.
[21:18]  * greg-g looks
[21:18] <jrwren> it comes with onboard storage, so just plug it in, it DHCPs and you can SSH to it.
[21:19] <brousch> No, the image is the base OS, usually rpi debian edition
[21:19] <greg-g> brousch: ArkOS installs on top of that, I believe, no? or did I misunderstand ArkOS?
[21:20] <brousch> I hadn't heard of arkos
[21:20] <greg-g> https://arkos.io/
[21:20] <greg-g> I guess it is the whole OS
[21:20] <greg-g> but yeah, dd that on to the sd card
[21:22] <brousch> greg-g: It looks like ArkOS has a script you download and run on your desktop. It creates the arkos image on the SD
[21:22] <brousch> I assume it does the dd for you
[21:22] <brousch> But there are crazy installers and such that are for people who don't know how to dd an image. I find them harder to use and less reliable than dd
[21:27]  * greg-g nods
[21:40] <jrwren> wtf is ArkOS?
[21:40] <jrwren> i've only used openelec :]
[21:47] <greg-g> jrwren: the new sexy in self-hosted stuff
[22:21] <rick_h_> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-better-way-to-explore-and-learn-on.html is interesting. Building tooling on top of github to overcome UI issues
[22:22] <rick_h_> I wonder how this will work over time as big players get into github since it's closed.