[08:24] <Cimi> hi guys
[08:24] <Cimi> I'm at MWC but I can work today and tomorrow, I don't have to demo to clients those days
[08:25] <Cimi> apart fixing the current MR, you have a new task?
[08:26] <Saviq> Cimi, going through https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=mwcdemo2014 and adding needs-test / needs-ap-test tags
[08:29] <Cimi> Saviq, not all require tests?
[08:30] <Saviq> Cimi, some of them might have them already
[08:30] <Cimi> Saviq, or it's only a matter of choosing which test suite to use?
[08:30] <Cimi> ah ok
[08:30] <Cimi> Saviq, well, they wouldn't be bugs if they had tests...
[08:30] <Saviq> Cimi, they are fixed bugs
[08:30] <Cimi> Saviq, so they have tests no?
[08:31] <Cimi> or we fixed without adding tests?
[08:31] <Cimi> anyway I'll check
[08:31] <Saviq> Cimi, we didn't necessarily have time for tests
[08:31] <Saviq> Cimi, those are mwc-frenzy bugs
[08:31] <Saviq> Cimi, also, only look at unity8 / ubuntu (unity8) bugs
[08:31] <Saviq> of course
[08:32] <Saviq> Cimi, "or we can wait for design", remember we only have like... two... designers now
[08:32] <Saviq> Cimi, so just go for your best guess
[08:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i am guessing if the document for the sprint says "March 24" it means "the week starting on March 24", right?
[08:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, just one day
[08:48] <Saviq> ;P
[08:48] <tsdgeos> sorry if it's a silly question, feeling a bit sick-ish
[08:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes, the week
[08:49] <tsdgeos> protip: don't finish the icecream of your little cousin, will give you all his stuff and you'll end up sick
[08:49] <Saviq> yikes
[08:50] <tsdgeos> not aweful, but still not at 100%, let's say 70% or something
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but it's ice cream, what else can you do... sure, the price might be high, but it's still icecream!
[08:50] <tsdgeos> yeap
[08:53] <tsdgeos> damn, there's someone called AlbertA in the mir team
[08:56] <Cimi> tsdgeos, can you tell me why you came up with the nick tsdgeos
[08:56] <Cimi> note: I can't spell it
[08:56] <tsdgeos> it was thought to be written, not to be pronounced
[08:57] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I said spell
[08:57] <tsdgeos> i know
[08:57] <Cimi> tsdgeos, if there wasn't tab autocompletion
[08:57] <tsdgeos> you don't need to spell it, irc will auto complete for you
[08:57] <anpok> but it is also not efficient to be written..
[08:57] <Cimi> I would not be able to communicate with you :)
[08:57] <tsdgeos> anpok: there's not many ts<TAB> nicks around :D
[08:57] <tsdgeos> Cimi: tsd is the last letters of name surname1 surname2
[08:58] <anpok> ah .. otherwise i would propose something like asdf
[08:58] <tsdgeos> geos is just some crap because tsd was too short
[08:58] <Cimi> ahahaha
[08:58] <Cimi> you guys want to guess how I came up with Cimi? :D
[08:59] <tsdgeos> damn i was going to joke with the plural of cima
[08:59] <tsdgeos> but that's cime
[09:00] <tsdgeos> you guys don't make sense on making plurals :D
[09:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: is our new ci landing train smart enough that if i set https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/previews.PreviewRatingDisplay/+merge/207625 to approved but not it's prerequisite branch it won't merge it?
[09:31] <tsdgeos> or?
[09:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, your lander has to be smart enough
[09:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so just note it in "Required..."
[09:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ci train doesn't actually care about the branch status
[09:34] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: shall we disapprove https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/unity8/update_ap_tests_ready_for_py3/+merge/194655 based on the last comment?
[09:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, +1
[09:57] <mhr3> Saviq, comments on
[09:57] <mhr3> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/invoke-action-uris/+merge/207844 ?
[10:00] <Saviq> mhr3, feels fine
[10:00] <Saviq> mhr3, will save us round trips in a few places
[10:01] <Saviq> mhr3, and allow for canned queries from previews, too, right?
[10:01] <mhr3> Saviq, i'm just not sure whether the plugin should be doing this
[10:01] <Saviq> mhr3, well, it's doing it for applications already
[10:01] <mhr3> Saviq, especially the if (widget == "actions") is eek
[10:02] <Saviq> mhr3, do we actually want that?
[10:02] <Saviq> i.e. if a progress widget has a uri that it's meant to open on completion...
[10:03] <Saviq> not sue
[10:03] <Saviq> r
[10:04] <Saviq> mhr3, after all the scope can come back with a uri to open from any action anyway, no?
[10:04] <Saviq> or well, we want them to be able to
[10:18] <mhr3> Saviq, don't really think progress should support such auto-redirect
[10:19] <mhr3> Saviq, and no, currently action can't come back with a redirect uri
[10:19] <mhr3> maybe it should be able to... not convinced
[10:20] <mhr3> would mean that any invokable action can redirect... including the implicit ones
[10:20] <mhr3> like submitting a review could open your music player
[10:21] <mhr3> or the progress failing...
[10:21] <mhr3> doesn't sound like good use cases for redirecting
[10:22] <Saviq> mhr3, for progress it'd be tricky as we decided to only have one action for completed / cancelled / failed, so only one uri there
[10:24] <mhr3> so perhaps it's better when it's tied to the widget itself, cause it's really not making much sense to redirect when progress state changes
[10:24] <Saviq> mhr3, fine with that, not sure we can do anything else than type == "actions", then
[10:25] <mhr3> very well... feel free to ack it then
[10:26] <Saviq> mhr3, you do checklists?
[10:27] <mhr3> Saviq, no, ci does it for us :)
[10:27] <Saviq> ;)
[10:28] <Saviq> mhr3, ah, one thing:
[10:28] <Saviq> 300	+ if (spy.count() == 0) {
[10:28] <Saviq> 301	+ QVERIFY(spy.wait());
[10:28] <Saviq> 302	+ }
[10:29] <Saviq> mhr3, the if() is unnecessary I think
[10:29] <mhr3> Saviq, it was failing without it
[10:29] <Saviq> mhr3, hmm or maybe only QML's SSpy does that
[10:29] <Saviq> mhr3, spy.wait() will return straight away if count is higher than at previous wait() call (in QML at least)
[10:29] <mhr3> spy.wait() will wait for receiving the signal, doesn't matter if it received it before the call
[10:30] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, it does in QML, weird
[10:30] <mhr3> these discrepancies suck
[10:30] <Saviq> indeed
[10:40] <mhr3> Saviq, btw i want more cmd line param for unity-scope-tool, ok to use glib for that? :)
[10:41] <mhr3> cause apparently qt doesn't have anything for it until 5.2
[10:41] <tsdgeos> no
[10:41] <tsdgeos> let's not be silly here
[10:41] <tsdgeos> and just move to 5.2 already
[10:41] <mhr3> tsdgeos, fine with me
[10:41] <mhr3> tsdgeos, pushing that today?
[10:42] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, no
[10:42] <Saviq> mhr3, prep a branch against 5.2
[10:42] <Saviq> mhr3, we'll do 5.2 soon enough
[10:42] <mhr3> oh is that really going to happen for the lts?
[10:43] <Saviq> mhr3, oh yeah
[10:43] <mhr3> cool then
[10:43] <Saviq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1278329
[10:44] <Saviq> we should just land it already, otherwise there's not enough push to fix the issues
[10:45] <tsdgeos> +1
[10:45] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ↑↑↑↑
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's not like Mirv has the power :)
[10:45] <tsdgeos> i know
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but Pat does, and has taken the issue over
[10:45] <tsdgeos> he is just looking for allies :D
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, like, yesterday
[10:46] <tsdgeos> goodstuff
[10:46] <Saviq> we're having daily 5.2 standups starting today
[10:46] <Saviq> until it gets in
[10:46] <seb128> Saviq, I did some "if we don't move we are going to miss the LTS" speech yesterday :p
[10:46] <Saviq> seb128, yeah, thanks for that
[10:46] <seb128> yw ;-)
[10:47] <Mirv> all pushing towards getting 5.2 in and fixes done welcome :)
[10:47] <Mirv> it'll be interesting to see how everything looks after sergiusens has the qtmultimedia-touch to push to the PPA
[10:49] <Saviq> yay
[11:41] <Saviq> mhr3, we should sit down and flesh out the attributes JSON...
[11:42] <mhr3> Saviq, sure, whenever you have time
[11:42] <Saviq> mhr3, how about now?
[11:43] <mhr3> ok
[11:44] <Saviq> mhr3, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjpq6vbsoaq1ertlpmq41h4?
[11:46] <Saviq> be with you in 2
[12:09] <anpok> greyback: hmm strange things happen .. three session objects are involved .. some get focusd.. some receive surfaces...
[12:09] <greyback> anpok: webapps you mean?
[12:09] <anpok> in the fix for 1240400
[12:09] <anpok> yes
[12:09] <greyback> yeah, it's black magic almost
[12:09] <anpok> will try with trunk and compare..
[12:09] <anpok> or just go for the session list instead of a shared ptr..
[12:10] <greyback> ok, lemme know if I can help
[12:10] <anpok> i could make unit test that tries all permutations of notification orders with one application a set of sessions and .. well..
[12:11] <anpok> i am fine so far.. earlier i wanted to reproduce a crash
[12:11] <anpok> the shell crashed when I tried to shut down multiple apps with two finger simultaneously
[12:11] <anpok> but couldnt reproduce it
[12:12] <anpok> and obviously I dont have the crash file since I already had an older one
[12:12] <greyback> I think I had that once. But no core dump was saved, and also failed to reproduce it
[12:32] <Cimi> Saviq, ok I put the tags
[12:33] <anpok> test
[12:34] <Cimi> Saviq, we still have both unity8 and unity8(ubuntu)
[12:42] <greyback> Saviq: hey, I've made a separate development branch for unity-mir, and want to enable CI and autolanding for it. Who can help me with that?
[12:44] <Saviq> greyback, didrocks can tell you he doesn't want you to do that ;D
[12:45] <didrocks> yeah, we are not going to support that
[12:45] <didrocks> you'll shoot in your feet
[12:45] <tsdgeos> hmmmm
[12:45] <tsdgeos> anyone knows why ResponsiveGridView does contentHeightForRows(rows):  return rows * cellHeight + verticalSpacing
[12:45] <tsdgeos> when cellHeight already contains verticalSpacing ?
[12:46] <tsdgeos> we're adding verticalSpacing twice at the end
[12:46] <greyback> tsdgeos: think that's bad yeah, someone else asked me about that
[12:46] <tsdgeos> ok
[12:46] <tsdgeos> killed :D
[12:46] <tsdgeos> if we need more space between categories
[12:46] <tsdgeos> we should do that at a higher level
[12:47] <tsdgeos> like in the list that layours the categories not in the grid itself
[12:48] <anpok> maybe verticalSpacing at the top?
[12:48] <anpok> maybe -verticalSpacing if rows!=0 ..
[12:51] <tsdgeos> if rows == 0 we shouldn't show the category
[12:52] <tsdgeos> or that's what we do anyway i think
[12:52] <tsdgeos> lucnh!
[13:34] <bregma> I'm trying to refine my unity8-desktop-session package (running Unity8 as the desktop shell). When I click on, say, an icon in the music lens it brings up the preview with a "play" button, but it doesn't do anything when clicked and I get the following error in the log:
[13:34] <bregma> ** (unity8:2100): WARNING **: Unable to dispatch url 'http://grooveshark.com/#/album/Random%20Access%20Memories/8814557':GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.canonical.URLDispatcher was not provided by any .service files
[13:34] <bregma> is there a dependency I need to install that will resolve this?
[13:36] <mhr3> url-dispatcher?
[13:57] <tsdgeos> bregma: yeah url-dispatcher seems like something that should solve that give that, not sure how desktop proof it is otoh
[13:58] <bregma> it seems to me if something depends on something else, there should be a corresponding package dependency
[13:59] <bregma> tsdgeos, the point of the preview session is to identify such problems, so it's OK if it doesn't work correctly (yet)
[13:59] <tsdgeos> bregma: tedg should know more
[14:00]  * tedg hides
[14:00] <bregma> tedg should know better
[14:00] <tsdgeos> tedg: morning, do you know how url-dispatcher is working on the desktop?
[14:00] <tedg> tsdgeos, Well, that's an interesting question. URL dispatcher itself doesn't change much, but the QPA is interesting.
[14:01] <bregma> I'll let you know in a minute
[14:01] <tedg> It seems kinda stupid to change the plugin, except on Unity 8, but then how many QPA plugins do we want to maintain?
[14:01]  * bregma is amazed by the 20 second reboot time on his Yoga2
[14:02]  * tedg hopes bregma takes that time to do some micro-yoga
[14:04] <bregma> so I installed url-dispatcher and it seems to work fine (tedg, this is in the Unity8 desktop preview session)
[14:04] <bregma> there should really be a package dependency somewhere
[14:04] <tedg> bregma, So can you open gallery and click on camera?  Does that work?
[14:05] <tedg> bregma, I mean, the camera button in the gallery toolbar.
[14:05] <bregma> well, I installed the camera-app and tat "works" for a given definition of "work", let me test the gallery
[14:06] <tedg> bregma, But a shirt on, the camera has a decency filter.
[14:06] <tedg> Put
[14:08] <bregma> tedg, I don't see a camera button in the gallery toolbar ... in fact, the gallery toolbar is blank
[14:09] <tedg> Hmm...
[14:09] <bregma> funny, it didn't used to be
[14:09]  * bregma will never update his system again, it only brings grief
[14:09] <tedg> bregma, I tried that, it brought grief.  Life, and updates, are pointless.
[14:10] <bregma> the picture that the camera-app took is split down the middle, with the left half on the right and the right half on the left, and a line of noise at the top
[14:10] <tedg> bregma, So that'd be my concern, it might work though as you'd be running the Mir QPA, right?
[14:10] <bregma> tedg, I'm running the mir QPA
[14:11] <tedg> So, yeah, I'd say URL dispatcher should work.
[14:11] <tedg> bregma, BTW, we used to have a package dependency but xnox won't let me have good dependencies anymore.
[14:12] <xnox> tedg: *giggle* =)
[14:12] <tedg> bregma, What's the metapackage for the preview session?
[14:12] <xnox> tedg: i meant no harm & only enable things to cross-compile, whilst not breaking the images =)
[14:13] <xnox> tedg: things like that should be seeded, or new seeds created if there is a need, instead of back-dooring into the seeds by anding deps to the already present packages =)
[14:13] <bregma> tedg, unity8-desktop-session-mir
[14:13] <tedg> It's hard to say how that one should be there, but yeah, probably the meta package would be fine.
[14:13] <tedg> bregma, Cool, installing :-)
[14:14] <xnox> tedg: how come upstart-app-launch, does nothing useful on X11 / unity7 desktop?
[14:14] <xnox> (with or without unity8 installed)
[14:14] <tedg> xnox, ?  It works for me?
[14:14] <bregma> tedg, you'll probably want to install from ppa:unity8-desktop-session-team/custom to pick up the patched mir and qtubuntu packages, at least until those guys get off their duffs and merge the required bugfixes
[14:15] <bregma> oh, and you'll want to use a touchscreen
[14:16] <tedg> bregma, Got one, which is one reason I want to run the session :-)
[14:16] <tedg> bregma, Are you able to configure Unity8 to run the desktop profiles of the indicators?
[14:16] <tedg> bregma, That should get you a logout button.
[14:17] <bregma> tedg, you have a touchscreen now?  I have a lot of multi-touch bugs that need fixing I can send your way
[14:18] <tedg> Heh, thanks!
[14:18] <bregma> tedg, I haven't played with the indicators yet, suggestions and patches are welcome
[14:18] <tedg> bregma, It should just be a mode.  Like for tablet, etc.
[14:19] <tedg> Saviq, dednick, is there a way to tell Unity8 to use the phone/tablet/desktop profile for the indicators?
[14:19] <Saviq> tedg, define phone vs. tablet vs. desktop ;)
[14:19] <tedg> It's… for a friend.
[14:19] <dednick> tedg: um, not Unity8, but you can use the indicator-client
[14:20] <tedg> Saviq, Running on bregma's demo session :-)
[14:20] <bregma> this is the future
[14:20] <dednick> tedg: otherwise you need to change the hardcoded value in unity8
[14:20] <bregma> 2024, evidently
[14:21] <tedg> dednick, Could we make that an environment variable, at least until Saviq's magic algorithm gets discovered?
[14:22] <dednick> tedg: um. maybe. it would have to be deployed on phone image somehow. or have a default i guess.
[14:22] <Saviq> tedg, that magic algorithm would probably be a per-screen property of some sort
[14:22] <tedg> I was thinking a default, for today.
[14:23] <bregma> default sounds reasonable
[14:23] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, default to phone
[14:23] <tedg> Saviq, Yeah, I think that in this case it's probably not as much profile as detecting whether there are multiple users.  But we haven't had that conversation with design yet.  Hoping for something low work in the short term.
[14:23] <Saviq> do we need a different set of indicators per-ffactor?
[14:24] <tedg> Saviq, No, they just export the form factors on different dbus paths.
[14:24] <Saviq> k
[14:26] <bregma> so, I'm a little confused, but to make it clear what I really need short-term is to be able to log out from Unity8 on the desktop, and I can indicate this is a desktop session through environment variables set in upstart jobs
[14:26] <bregma> what is the best approach to take and what project shall I open the bug against?
[14:27] <xnox> tedg: also note that unity-desktop-session-x11 appears to not be upstart managed, i presume ditto -mir (but i wasn't able to run that one yet)
[14:27] <bregma> Saviq, also, is there a simple way to not have the greeter displayed on login yet?
[14:27] <xnox> tedg: which imho is a bug, since for x11 we need a shell to get the right screen resolution (e.g. upstart user session to run compiz)
[14:27] <bregma> xnox, the Mir session is upstart managed, the X11 is not because who has time for that?
[14:28] <xnox> bregma: well, are you plannning to launch X apps at all? (in either Mir or X11 session)
[14:28] <Saviq> bregma, no, but soon the greeter should be split completely out of unity8
[14:28] <bregma> Saviq, OK, just wondering
[14:29] <bregma> xnox, launching X11 apps on Mir is beyond my kenning, and running Unity8 on X11 is not really a target for 14.04
[14:29] <Saviq> bregma, mterry will be your best contact for that
[14:30] <tedg> bregma, I think you need a bug on Unity8 to allow for an env var for telling it the indicator profile.  That means you can use the desktop profile of indicator-session, which would have a logout button.
[14:30] <tedg> bregma, The alternative would be to have a different "mode" for indicator-session where it did different phone profiles, but I don't think that'd be good.
[14:31] <bregma> tedg, OK, sounds like a plan
[14:31] <tedg> xnox, We expect when launching X11 apps on U8 Mir, that we'll create a small X session per app.  The WM there will be provided by Mir as basically a conduit.
[14:32] <tedg> xnox, Lacing that together is on my TODO when the Mir pieces required land.
[14:32] <xnox> tedg: sounds excellent, then i should work on getting -mir one running on my touch enabled laptop.
[14:33] <tedg> xnox, You should, I hear bregma has touch bugs for you.
[14:34] <bregma> huehuehue
[14:37] <greyback> Saviq: standup
[14:38] <Saviq> greyback, hangout, rather, but I'm at the dentist's... can't join
[14:38] <greyback> Saviq: yes I know it's a hangout. Have fun at dentist
[14:39] <Saviq> greyback, intend to
[14:44] <dednick> @unity: googletalk nuking my cpu!
[14:48] <elopio> ping tsdgeos, did you see my email? I need help running unity from your branch.
[14:48] <tsdgeos> elopio: i answered this morning, did you get it?
[14:55] <bregma> OK, another question: when I run notes-app in my desktop session it errors with qmlscene: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmlscene': No such file or directory
[14:55] <bregma> but I only have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene
[14:55] <bregma> any idea why it's trying to pick up the qt4 version?
[14:57] <elopio> tsdgeos: right, sorry. On it now.
[15:25] <anpok> I played around with keeping all mir sessions associated with an application - and that changes life time of sessions in a funny way that I can get reproducible deadlocks..
[15:32] <anpok> greyback: but I guess I a found the reason for the other problem you experienced -- mea culpa -- and thanks for testing
[15:32] <greyback> anpok: great, will check it out later today/tomorrow morning
[15:52] <anpok> hm what is the prefered style in unity-mir cv type' '[*&]' 'variable or [cv type
[15:52] <anpok> oops
[15:54] <anpok> i meant: [cv] type [*&] name vs. [cv] type[*&] name vs. type [cv][*&] name?
[15:59] <tsdgeos> anpok: i'd say "look at the existing code" :D
[15:59] <anpok> hehe
[15:59] <anpok> thats why I am asking
[15:59] <anpok> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/unity-mir/fix-1240400/+merge/207302/comments/489576
[16:00] <tsdgeos> trueth
[16:27] <Saviq> mhall119, re: UE Live... I'm kind of in a weird place... unless my memory is real selective, nobody ever told me that I was meant to do those...
[16:32] <greyback> anpok: perhaps I'm too easy going, but I'm not a strict coding style proponent
[16:32] <greyback> anpok: however your observation was correct, whenever I referenced Mir code, I used its style. Else I used my Qt style
[16:32] <Cimi> dandrader, hey
[16:33] <dandrader> Cimi, hi
[16:34] <anpok> ok
[16:36] <Saviq> mhr3, michi said you solved the endless style battle somewhere with some astyle and friends, which project was that?
[16:37] <mhr3> Saviq, unity-scopes-api, i wouldn't call it solved though, we have a style target and some people manually run it from time to time
[16:38] <Cimi> dandrader, if you want to help me and micheal terry, we've work to do on the welcome wizard
[16:39] <mhr3> Saviq, i read a nice article on that earlier today - ides should be smart and just reformat the code way *you* like it :)
[16:39] <mhr3> of course, poor people who wouldn't be using that smart ide :P
[16:39] <Saviq> mhr3, :)
[16:39] <dandrader> Cimi, I just started doing something on the qml mir compositor front but I think I will still have spare time
[16:39] <Saviq> mhr3, you mean the code should just be minified? ;)
[16:40] <Cimi> dandrader, cool ok
[16:40] <mhr3> Saviq, better yet, binary compressed :)
[16:40] <dandrader> Cimi, so, what's up?
[16:41] <mzanetti> anyone knows of a workaround for the display turning on all the time with the latest image?
[16:41] <Cimi> dandrader, get back when you finished :)
[16:44] <Saviq> mhr3, you mean compiled? :D
[16:45] <Saviq> mhr3, we should use vala and only check in the generated C :P
[16:48] <mhr3> Saviq, i meant to screw with people who want to use plain text editor, of course if the ide is so super-smart that it can decompile the real binary... meh why not :P
[16:57] <mhall119> Saviq: I think you were going to come on when you had stuff, but not every week
[16:57] <Saviq> mhall119, oh ok, then let's skip it this week, next week we hopefully will be able to talk about all that happened for MWC, when it will be in trunks
[17:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, got one for you for tomorrow https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1277206
[17:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, this is as far as I took it http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7000803/
[17:12]  * tsdgeos clicks
[17:12] <tsdgeos> ok
[17:12] <tsdgeos> the seemore/less is looking good
[17:12] <tsdgeos> except i have no animations
[17:12] <tsdgeos> :D
[17:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, coolz
[17:12] <tsdgeos> that'll be some work
[17:13] <tsdgeos> since for soem reason stuff is not getting anchored as i want
[17:13] <tsdgeos> i can upload if you want to have a loo
[17:13] <tsdgeos> k
[17:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, is fine
[17:51] <elopio> Saviq: can you help me getting the demo stuff running with autopilot?
[19:53] <Saviq> elopio, anything in particular?
[19:53] <elopio> Saviq: yes, two things.
[19:54] <elopio> First, following the instructions at https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/demo-stuff I get:
[19:54] <elopio> start: Unknown job: scope-registry
[19:55] <Saviq> elopio, as phablet?
[19:55] <Saviq> elopio, you could just reboot
[19:55] <elopio> Saviq: thats on desktop.
[19:55] <Saviq> elopio, hum
[19:55] <elopio> on phablet I could install it without problems.
[19:56] <Saviq> elopio, you have libunity-scopes0 installed?
[19:56] <elopio> Saviq: yes, I do.
[19:56] <Saviq> elopio, ls /usr/share/upstart/sessions/scope-registry.conf ?
[19:58] <Saviq> elopio, if you have that file and you can't start the job, something's wrong with your upstart
[19:59] <elopio> Saviq: it's there :(
[19:59] <elopio> I suppose upstart is the same cause of the other problem.
[19:59] <elopio> when I run the tests, I get
[19:59] <elopio> initctl: Unknown job: unity8
[19:59] <elopio> Please install unity8 or copy data/unity8.conf to /home/elopio/.config/upstart
[20:00] <Saviq> elopio, yeah, sounds like it
[20:00] <elopio> oh well, one week without restarting my machine is already too long.
[20:00] <Saviq> elopio, was about to ask ;)
[20:00] <elopio> I'll try this on a virtual machine for now. Thanks Saviq.
[20:02] <Saviq> elopio, heh, so no rebooting? :D
[20:03] <elopio> Saviq: oh, I meant reinstalling, not rebooting. I rebooted this morning and I had the same error.
[20:03] <kubahaha> Hi, is it propper place to ask for support with keyboard?
[20:03] <elopio> but everything seems broken here. I can't even start unity7, and I'm using the not-so-good-looking gnome-shell
[20:04] <elopio> anyway, I'm going to get some sun.
[20:04] <elopio> bbl


[07:18]  * amitk waves a Happy New Year to the kernel team
[08:45]  * smb waves back to amitk
[08:45] <smb> Morning and Happy New Year
[08:47] <amitk> smb: enough snow for christmas and new years? :)
[08:48] <smb> amitk, I am fine with it. :) Lucky enough in these parts it was more than usual but not driving around too much helps. :-P
[13:35] <smb> tgardner, After finally digesting most of the accumulated mail I was thinking of pulling some of the patches we have acked now into the next trees. Maybe you just got the same idea, so I wanted to ask before we clash. Oh, and Happy New Year as well. :)
[13:36] <tgardner> smb, go ahead. I just sat down and have a bit of digesting to do myself. Happy New Year.
[13:37] <smb> alrighty
[13:38] <JFo> figures it'd be a UK holiday on my triumphant return. :-)
[13:39] <smb> JFo, hehe, yep. It has been a quiet mumble day so far. :)
[13:39] <JFo> makes for a long day I bet :)
[13:40] <smb> Oh well, it helps on wading through the swamp of mails.
[13:40] <JFo> yeah, I was just looking at those :-/
[14:14]  * smb wonders whether tangerine is only unhappy with him personally or in general
[14:16] <tgardner> smb, just bounced for a kernel update
[14:17] <smb> tgardner, Ah ok. Now I can login again
[14:44] <ricotz> tgardner, hello :), am i right that the goal for natty is 2.6.38?
[14:45] <tgardner> ricotz, yep
[14:46] <ricotz> tgardner, thanks, hoping to see the drm-nouveau-next stuff in there ;)
[14:47] <tgardner> ricotz, well, thats likely gonna be several weeks before we crank out an 2.6.38-rc1 based kernel
[14:48] <ricotz> tgardner, that's alright
[14:58] <tgardner> sforshee, dude, welcome aboard.
[15:28] <pgraner> sforshee, good time for a call?
[16:03] <smb`> tgardner, Doh, did you prepare for the sru/release meeting?
[16:04] <tgardner> smb`, nope. is that #ubuntu-meeting ?
[16:04] <smb`> seems to be. nobody asked something yet
[16:04] <tgardner> smb`, nm, of course it is
[16:06] <bjf> tgardner, in case you care: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/StableReleaseAgenda
[18:56]  * rtg__ luches
[19:44] <JFo> wow, almost 3... better get some lunch
[20:00] <tgardner> bjf, is anyone working on Lucid <IP_ADDRESS> stable updates ?
[20:02] <bjf> tgardner, smb is maintaining the stable tree
[20:03] <tgardner> bjf, and is anyone working on merging that into Lucid? If not, then I can do it...
[20:04] <bjf> tgardner, as far as smb could tell, we were/are current
[20:05] <bjf> tgardner, i didn't look myself, sconklin and i were asking if there were going to be new patches this week
[20:05] <tgardner> bjf, How so? Lucid is at <IP_ADDRESS>+drm33.12. His repo is at <IP_ADDRESS>+drm33.12
[20:06] <bjf> tgardner, looking
[20:08] <bjf> tgardner, master-next looks like it has .27
[20:09] <tgardner> bjf, doh! I was looking at master.
[20:09] <bjf> tgardner, heh, np
[20:09] <bjf> tgardner, you had me worried though :-)
[20:10] <tgardner> bjf, while I have you. how about a review on lp692917 so I can get that committed?
[20:12] <bjf> tgardner, doing it now, fighting a bit with t-bird
[20:12] <bjf> tgardner, done
[20:12] <tgardner> bjf, thanks
[20:35] <tgardner> jjohansen, how about a review on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2011-January/013936.html ?
[20:35] <jjohansen> tgardner: sure, just a sec I am finishing up some AA CVE stuff
[20:41] <jjohansen> tgardner: done
[21:03]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[22:22] <cnd> can someone refresh my memory: which kernel will natty ship with?
[22:22] <cnd> 38?
[22:31] <kees> cnd: 2.6.37
[22:31] <cnd> kees, thanks!
[22:31] <kees> np
[23:15] <Sarvatt> kees: .37?? not .38?
[23:16] <kees> Sarvatt: oh, I thought it was 37.
[23:16] <Sarvatt> was that recently decided or something?
[23:17] <kees> cnd: I'm wrong. It'll likely be .38. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelNattyVersionAndFlavours
[23:22] <cnd> kees, ahh, ok, that's in line with what I expected :)
[23:53] <jjohansen> cnd: yep .38 unless there is something wrong when the time comes


[11:25] <Skyrider> Quick question if anyone is around. I'm trying to create a simple  sh script file to remove files in a certain directory on a weekly basis. While it removes the file(s) just fine, it also leave an error output in the console when I run it manually:  --> rm: cannot remove 'directory/*': No such file or directory
[11:26] <Skyrider> With using a simple script line --> rm /directory/*
[11:29] <Skyrider> Guess I can use -f to ignore it.
[12:04] <Skyrider> Can someone point me to the right direction how to create a mv script if the file does not exist?
[12:05] <Skyrider> I tried using "if [ ! -f directory/file ]; then mv directory/file fi" but that doesn't appear to work either. Still same file does not exist error.
[12:24] <weedmic> how would you move a file that is not there?  can you explain it a different way and by "script" do you mean a "bash script"?
[12:25] <weedmic> Skyrider: ^
[12:26] <Skyrider> .sh shell script, and would only like to move the file if it exists.
[12:35] <weedmic> ok, so IF it exists, then move.
[12:37] <weedmic> I saw this one (I think is best)... [ ! -f src ] || mv src dest
[12:47] <Skyrider> Think I tried that as well before I used if [ ! -f directory/file ]; then mv
[12:47] <Skyrider> moment ^^
[12:50] <Skyrider> Interesting, that worked. Wonder why the if statement didn't.
[12:51] <weedmic> odd, i did this verbatim and it worked - [ ! -f del.src ] || mv del.src Documents/
[12:51] <weedmic> maybe you did not understnad, this will not crash a script if the document is not found and will continue, but it will not "try" to move a non-existing document
[12:52] <weedmic> i mean it will appear to work whether the doc is there or not, but not throw an exception if no document is there - it will just go to the next line (doing nothing after theh pipe)
[12:53] <Skyrider> It did work for me as well, but I also found the IF [ -f src ]; then FI statement online, which didn't ^^.
[12:53] <Skyrider> Making sure it doesn't throw out errors, as systemd timers loves to pop up errors if something fails.
[12:53] <weedmic> :D - must be why I did not like it (nor recommend it) - i tested the one I liked before showing you
[12:54] <weedmic> to me it is odd, b/c I love/need/hopefor errors - w/o them I can't fix things.
[12:58] <Skyrider> ^_^ appreciate it btw, thanks :D


[00:38] <st8ofmi9d> I setup diskless boot on the Mythbuntu 9.04. I have it somewhat working using the diskless but now my non-diskless machines are no longer able to connect to the backend. It seems that there is a problem with resolving the backend's hostname. I'm assuming that this happened because I edited /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. Is that a safe assumption? I want my verizon dsl/router to handle the dns and I have the ip address of the router set as "option doman-
[00:38] <st8ofmi9d> name-servers". I can see the hostname when I log into the router, but the only way I can connect to the machine is using the ip address.
[00:39] <st8ofmi9d> When using the non-diskless machines I can enter the ip address into the hostname but then I get an error that I cannot connect to database as opposed to the cannot ping backend database.
[00:39] <st8ofmi9d> Any thoughts on what I screwed up?
[00:39] <st8ofmi9d> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462776
[00:39] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [SOLVED] Network book/Diskless boot Mythbuntu - Ubuntu Forums
[02:48] <mungewell> Hi all. Playing with Lucid/Mythbuntu. How can I set the master volume. Internal player seems to set it back to 70% when it starts and the volume controls effect PCM volume (not master).
[02:49] <mungewell> ^effect^affect... to keep my english teacher happy ;-)
[02:57] <st8ofmi9d> mungewell: Same for me!
[02:58] <mungewell> just found the settings in the utils/setup page.... seem to work OK.
[06:24] <symptom> are there any scheduled releases for mythbuntu to bring in Lucid?
[12:52] <jng> Anyone else got broken (extremely stuttery, garbled) sound with lucid and hdmi?
[12:52] <jng> sound is ok for playing music, just tv is broken
[12:52] <jng> using a meekat ion
[12:52] <jng> .. worked fine with karmic
[14:02] <st8ofmi9d> I'm working on getting diskless boot up and running but before I get that working 100% i need to still be able to boot and use Myth frontend off of a standard disk boot. The problem that I noticed is that after I netboot (which is working but I have some driver issues with my Dell Zino) and I go back to standard disk boot, I can no longer resolve the hostname of my backend. I don't if it's related to trying to machine netbooting or not. I'm gue
[14:02] <st8ofmi9d> ssing that I'm running two dhcp servers (one on dsl model/router and one on backend) and they are running into each other. Do I need to run a dhcp server on the backend to netboot? If not, how do I disable the dhcp server on teh backend?
[16:49] <gbee> Daviey: if you can manage to squeeze out another 0.22 update that would be fantastic, it would hopefully be the last for that branch but it includes some important memleak fixes
[16:50] <Daviey> gbee: It should show up within 12 hours. :)
[16:50] <Daviey> hmm
[16:51] <Daviey> ah, they are manual for 0.22 now.. aren't they
[16:51] <gbee> aye
[16:51] <Daviey> gbee: Okay.. i don't think i'll have time to do it until Monday now (going away for the weekend)
[16:52] <gbee> it's not a huge problem if you can't do it, I'd just like to leave the last packages for 0.22 in the best possible shape so that no-one is forced to upgrade if they find 0.22 to be otherwise stable
[17:09] <Daviey> gbee: oh i agree.. if it's probably going to be the last update, i'll reflect that in the changelog
[17:14] <jng> i'm using 9.10 on meerkat ion as front end.. hdmi sound is badly broken :(
[17:14] <jng> sound ok playing music though, just watching tv
[17:14] <jng> wondering if it is a codec problem
[17:50] <rhpot1991> jng: mine works fine, I'd venture you don't have the passthrough settings correctly
[17:54] <jng> hmm.. interesting
[17:55] <jng> i was just away doing tests
[17:55] <jng> alsa-default sound and using the audio out jack is fine
[17:55] <jng> just hdmi that is sort of there, but really, really choppy
[17:56] <jng> where is this passthrough thing set?
[17:56] <rhpot1991> setup > general > page 3
[17:56] <jng> cheers.. will take a look
[17:56] <jng> thanks
[18:01] <haffe> Hmmm. Do any of you have experience with the core2duo E7200? I'm looking at buildning a really quiet HTPC.
[18:03] <tgm4883> core2duo's are pretty quiet
[18:03] <tgm4883> in fact, most processors are really quiet
[18:03] <haffe> I see.
[18:03] <rhpot1991> haffe: you could go with a backend somewhere and do an ion box for the frontend
[18:03] <rhpot1991> most of those can run fanless and therefor completely silent
[18:03] <tgm4883> The fan on the other hand, can be loud
[18:03] <rhpot1991> and for bonus point you could lose the hard drive
[18:03] <haffe> tgm4883: :)
[18:03] <rhpot1991> !frontend | haffe
[18:03] <Zinn> haffe: Ion Boxes make a great frontend.  http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2
[18:04] <haffe> rhpot1991: Problem is, I live in a one room studio, so I don't have a place to store a backend.
[18:04] <tgm4883> my backend/frontend is pretty quiet
[18:04] <haffe> I'm thinking Core2Duo E7200, and then a Schyte or thermalright and a big 120mm fan.
[18:05] <tgm4883> I ust need to get a fanless video card
[18:05] <haffe> I have a fanless video card.
[18:05] <rhpot1991> ya go fanless video card and a scythe ninja 2 (or mini)
[18:05] <rhpot1991> and you wont hear a thing
[18:05] <haffe> But somehow i doubt a 6200TC will be happy playing 1080
[18:05] <jng> fwiw i have two meekat ion's as frontends
[18:05] <rhpot1991> heck thats how I run my non HTPCs anymore
[18:05] <tgm4883> http://www.mythbuntu.org/developer-hardware
[18:06] <jng> rhpot1991: tried to find the passthrough setting.. no sign in my settings..
[18:06] <haffe> Last time I bought a pc a Thermalright XP120 was the king of the coolers.
[18:06] <haffe> Time flies apparentley.
[18:06] <rhpot1991> jng: its in mythtvfrontend
[18:06] <rhpot1991> not mythtv-setup
[18:07] <jng> right sorry my bad.. i'm talking mythfrontend here..
[18:07] <jng> audio system is 4th page though..
[18:07] <rhpot1991> ok I was close :)
[18:07] <haffe> Now to look at a quiet fan. Is Nexus still king or should I go with noctuna?
[18:08] <rhpot1991> haffe: I use the stock scythe fans
[18:08]  * tgm4883 uses stock as well
[18:08] <jng> haffe: i took the fans out of my ions -- they are just about ok ;)
[18:08] <haffe> Hmmmm.
[18:09] <haffe> My motherboard has this cool 4pin fan outlet. I guess it's PWM.
[18:10] <haffe> Thanks for the help guys.
[18:10] <haffe> Maybe should check the boxed cooler first.
[18:10] <haffe> Might be sufficient.
[18:57] <tgm4883> !release
[18:57] <Zinn> Mythbuntu 10.04 http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads
[18:58] <gbee> !unrelease
[18:58] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about unrelease
[18:58] <gbee> bah, boring
[18:59] <tgm4883> gbee, no unrelease for you
[21:39] <packet-sent> I have a backend which holds all my videos and music and use my other pc as a frontend, in 9.10 music played just fine but since I have done a fresh install 10.4 and mythmusic shows the files but will not play ,yet video plays fine,,,,,,,,
[22:25] <slaine> hey guys, the age old question, dist-upgrade or not dist-upgrade
[22:27] <slaine> running 9.10 on a Via EPIA box with a Hauppage PVR 500 card
[22:27] <slaine> anyone runnign 10.04 with something similar ?
[23:46] <squish102> will mythbuntu go from 9.04 to 10.04?
[23:47] <rhpot1991> squish102: sure, but I think you need to hop to 9.10 in the process, not certain
[23:47] <rhpot1991> it should follow the same upgrade rules as regular ubuntu
[23:47] <squish102> superstable 9.04, but i think i may be missing some things, so i may risk it... any1 think i'm crazy?
[23:48] <rhpot1991> 10.04 has mythtv 0.23, 9.04 had 0.21, so I say upgrade
[23:48] <rhpot1991> backup your db first just in case
[23:48] <squish102> rhpot1991 ok, is there anything else you think I should backup?
[23:49] <squish102> will it upgrade if it is running on a Volume group?
[23:52] <squish102> another question, does mythtv 0.23 still need videos nfs mounted from remote FE's? or can it stream all types of videos?


[06:48] <christel> GOOD MORNING \o/
[07:15] <diplo> Morning all
[07:25] <christel> hullu diplo duplo \o/
[07:59] <diplo> :)
[08:02]  * diplo is waiting to get told off for transferring 4gb of files from Nottingham to here
[08:02] <diplo> Failed over night :(
[08:02] <christel> auchies :(
[08:03] <diplo> Well I could say, I can do it uncompressed if you like which equals 27GB :)
[08:03] <christel> *grin*
[08:03] <christel> aaah.. 9am! i should stop procrastinating and enter Work Mode (iow, i should procrastinate over work instead)
[08:04] <diplo> I can't be bothered to work tbh either
[08:12] <christel> mmm
[08:12] <christel> i am tired
[08:17] <diplo> Seems it's just you and me this morning christel
[08:17] <czajkowski> no am here
[08:17] <czajkowski> just am pooped
[08:18] <diplo> heh, it's got to be the weather as so am I
[08:18] <diplo> Night before last didn't get to sleep till 4:30, and last night didn't make it feel any better :/
[08:18] <christel> just as we thought we had the channel all to ourselves... ;)
[08:18]  * christel tickles czajkowski
[08:19] <czajkowski> ello :)
[08:20] <christel> how are you my wonderfully pretty girl?
[08:20] <czajkowski> sleepy
[08:20] <czajkowski> oh so sleepy
[08:20] <czajkowski> was in bed at 9 last night
[08:20] <christel> too much sleep? :)
[08:22] <czajkowski> no I've ben awake since 5
[08:22] <czajkowski> just tired
[08:23] <christel> auchies
[08:25] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:25] <AlanBell> just reading this article about unity on Fedora http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0Mjc
[08:26] <AlanBell> what I don't understand is that reading the article it appears that unity is not in any way in Fedora, but in OpenSUSE
[08:27] <AlanBell> which is I guess RPM files
[08:27] <christel> morning AlanBell
[08:27] <christel> that would indeed appear to be written in a somewhat confusing manner
[08:30] <AlanBell> I suppose the screenshots are of Fedora running those openSUSE packages or something, I think the openSUSE build service is like launchpad PPAs or something
[08:31] <christel> one of my clients just sent me a shedload of "really urgent work" and then went "But please make yourself a coffee and have a little break before you start, haha :)" -- i suspect whatever they've just sent through is complete and utter bollocks
[08:31] <christel> perhaps
[08:31] <christel> (they don't normally tell me to have a break when something is "really urgent") o.O
[08:32]  * AlanBell has an overwhelming number of OpenERP leads to call. Too much open source business out there :S
[08:32] <christel> that's good!
[08:33] <diplo> Good work boys, your name is getting around and in a good way it seems :)
[08:34] <AlanBell> it is a nice problem to have, but I am not really a natural salesperson
[08:35] <diplo> Same issue for me, can take sales but selling a product i find hard
[08:36] <AlanBell> I don't like phoning people at the best of times, and I have 26 enquries to follow up this morning
[08:37] <christel> sok, you just need to hire someone with an amazing telephone voice to woo them into saying yes
[08:37] <christel> simplez
[08:37]  * diplo has a feeling christel is selling herself here
[08:37] <christel> hahaha
[08:37] <christel> nah, he can't afford me ;)
[08:38] <christel> (and i don't have an amazing telephone voice!)
[08:38] <diplo> Do you and TheOpenSourcerer share the task AlanBell ?
[08:38]  * christel sounds like an Angry Man
[08:38] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, he has another 26
[08:38] <diplo> \o/
[08:38] <diplo> That sounds great
[08:39] <diplo> I've pointed a couple of people in your direction in the last couple of months as well.
[08:39] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:39] <christel> hiya JamesTait :)
[08:39] <diplo> morning JamesTait
[08:39] <AlanBell> I am going to be phoning people and saying "hi, I am calling because you downloaded openERP and gave your details requesting a followup call, I do hope you are coping quite well all by yourself and don't need any assistance from me"
[08:39] <JamesTait> christel, diplo: o/ How are we this morning?
[08:40] <christel> we are gooood \o/ thyself?
[08:40] <diplo> Good thanks, albeit finding it a little hard to start working
[08:40] <christel> AlanBell: oh you're not even cold calling, this will be easy peasy! <3
[08:40] <popey> AlanBell, yes, they used opensuse build service to make RPMs for fedora.
[08:41] <diplo> ah right, so you get your leads from openerp site and they forward them to you ?
[08:41] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, openERP Belgium don't deal with customers directly, they pass out leads to the official partners
[08:42] <diplo> Nice, when I was in Electrical Wholesaling the suppliers did the same.
[08:43] <JamesTait> christel: I'm well, thanks. :)  Nearly the school holidays.  Not sure if I'm looking forward to it or dreading it. :-P
[08:44] <christel> hehe i think a bit of both is allowed! ;)
[08:44] <JamesTait> christel: And I suspect it will turn out to be exactly that!
[08:45] <AlanBell> gosh, just got someone's voicemail message saying they are on annual leave for the rest of the year!
[08:46] <diplo> Good to be them AlanBell ! :)
[08:46] <popey> hah, forgot to reset it in december?
[08:46] <czajkowski> did they win the lotto
[08:46] <popey> well, january
[08:46] <popey> or they left
[08:46] <AlanBell> popey: probably
[08:46] <popey> JamesTait, ours broke up last week. luckily they've been out quite a bit
[08:46] <popey> although sophie decided she would like to play basketball outside my office window when i was on a call yesterday
[08:49] <JamesTait> popey: Heh, I know that feeling.
[08:50] <JamesTait> popey: To be fair to the boys, they're usually pretty good.  And when I'm not on a call, I'm fine with them playing out in the garden and making a noise - I can mostly blank it out, and if not then I put music on.
[08:51] <JamesTait> popey: I'm spending a lot of time remote pairing at the moment and for the most part it's been fine, even with the boys making a noise.
[08:54] <popey> yeah, usually its fine
[08:54] <popey> need to get my garage done though, or find a co-working space
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:57] <diplo> morning brobostigon
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:24] <andylock1an> howdy all
[09:26] <popey> hello andylock1an
[09:42] <Twinkletoes> Howdy
[10:07] <dogmatic69> Anyone got a raspberry pi thingy yet?
[10:07] <AlanBell> yup
[10:07] <dogmatic69> they run linux right?
[10:07] <AlanBell> yes, debian and a few other things
[10:08] <dogmatic69> well, a flavour of
[10:08] <brobostigon> i do believe there is also and android port for it.
[10:08] <brobostigon> an*
[10:08] <dogmatic69> Do you know if something like minicom would run on it?
[10:08] <dogmatic69> and ssh / scp
[10:09]  * AlanBell does sudo apt-get install minicom
[10:09] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: are those standard if you have the openssh package?
[10:10] <dogmatic69> not sure, ssh comes with openssh server iirc
[10:10] <brobostigon> also, yes.
[10:10] <dogmatic69> and scp, no idea. Think its std on ubunut
[10:11] <dogmatic69> man scp says "see ... sshd"
[10:11] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: minicom runs
[10:11] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: nice
[10:11] <AlanBell> and ssh/scp is standard
[10:11]  * dogmatic69 goes to order one
[10:12] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: has it got the ports you want?
[10:12] <dogmatic69> I got a vinyl cutter that runs on usb, so with the raspberry pi it can be standalone. no need for a "pc" within usb cable length
[10:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:12] <dogmatic69> Just usb + cat5 I guess
[10:12] <dogmatic69> for this particular usage
[10:12] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: yes, that should all work then
[10:12] <dogmatic69> nice
[10:13] <dogmatic69> this home network is getting rather large, might need to employ a network admin soon :/
[10:14] <BigRedS> Anyone know a way to wholesale change the loglevel of *all* iptables rules
[10:14] <BigRedS> ?
[10:17]  * AlanBell downloads the new optimised Raspbian version of debian
[10:17] <popey> yeah, i downloaded that, be interested to see if its actually quicker
[10:17] <popey> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/content/video#ls_schedule might be worth watching at about 5pm today
[10:17] <christel> oh yes it is supposed to make use of the float point hardware isnt it
[10:19] <AlanBell> the torrent completed before I finished rummaging in my desk drawer for another SD card to put it on
[10:20]  * popey calls the police..
[10:20] <popey> using torrents eh? must be a criminal
[10:20] <diplo> Did you guys read the blog post ref armel / armhf or what ever the difference is
[10:20] <diplo> ?
[10:20] <diplo> And the differences in speed
[10:20] <popey> its like the difference between a 386SX and a 386DX
[10:22]  * AlanBell had a 486DX33
[10:22] <AlanBell> was faster than the IBM blue lighting chips which were 66Mhz with no floating point coprocessor
[10:22] <diplo> Never had anything that old
[10:23] <popey> my first pc was 8MHz 8086
[10:23] <popey> mono
[10:23] <popey> no graphics
[10:23] <diplo> :)
[10:23] <diplo> I've seen and run them, but my school didn't have any pc's till i left / last year
[10:24] <diplo> My first PC was a 500mhz thing, can't remember what now :)
[10:24] <jussi> popey: I had similar... but mine was a "Laptop"
[10:24] <directhex> moo
[10:24] <popey> heh
[10:24]  * directhex moos
[10:25] <AlanBell> before the 486 which I built I had an Amiga (which was better than the PC) and before that a spectrum+2
[10:25] <jussi> ie, a crt screen, with integrated computer and 5.25 floppies, and a keyboard that attached to the front...
[10:25] <jussi> Mum and dads first pc was a tandy 1000! :D
[10:26] <diplo> jussi: My brother had something like that
[10:26] <diplo> Very heavy
[10:26] <diplo> Still at home somewhere I believe
[10:26] <dwatkins> My first computer ran at 4 MHz.
[10:26] <jussi> diplo: yeah, crazy huge
[10:26] <diplo> http://www.mycomputerguard.com/pictures/image/middle_weird-laptop.jpg
[10:27] <diplo> Bit like that
[10:27] <AlanBell> a friend of mine had a tandy, it had analogue joystick inputs which meant it could basically read 64 levels of resistance of anything you felt like plugging into the x and y axis pins
[10:27] <AlanBell> so we did some interesting hacks with it, which is the kind of thing I want kids to do with the Raspberry pi
[10:27] <christel> :)
[10:28] <diplo> How old are your kids AlanBell ?
[10:28] <diplo> If you dont mind
[10:29] <AlanBell> 8,10,11
[10:29] <christel> they are dreadfully cute, look nothing like their dad!
[10:29]  * christel hides
[10:30] <diplo> heh
[10:30]  * AlanBell carefully types the dd command to put the image on the SD card
[10:30] <diplo> yeah I do want to do stuff with my eldest who will turn 6 in Sept, but I try to keep him away from computers at the mo and rather he enjoys outside
[10:31] <diplo> But i read what other people have their kids doing and wonder if I'm holding them back
[10:31] <christel> the furthest we've ventured geek-wise is playing with squishy circuits
[10:31] <christel> though the boy wonder is only 2.5
[10:31] <diplo> yeah I remember you mentioning that christel
[10:31] <diplo> I do have a little more cash now so may order some now.
[10:32] <christel> yes! tonnes of fun :D
[10:33] <diplo> I guess I didn't want to push my geekyness on them, but they love technology as i guess all kids do really
[10:34] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:34] <davmor2> morning all
[10:34] <bigcalm> Gah, it's already Thursday. Where is my holiday going?
[10:35] <diplo> Spent online MAN!
[10:35] <diplo> :P
[10:35] <diplo> Get outside or with the wifffey
[10:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: we have paid a cheque in on a 407 SW we went for the 1.6L Sport HDI £100 tax cat 8 insurance :)
[10:36] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:36] <dogmatic69> lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-18890901
[10:36] <bigcalm> I have a feeling the 1.6 won't have the same oomf that you felt with my 2.0. But I might be wrong :)
[10:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: thanks again for letting me try yours very useful :)
[10:37] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: where did you get yours?
[10:37] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: so it 9bhp more than the one we have so I was expecting it's power and it has slightly more shockingly,  but it is a bit more streamlined than our house brick styled 306 SW
[10:38] <bigcalm> :D
[10:40] <christel> diplo: yeah, i love the way the boy wonder is curious about * atm :)
[10:41] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: farnell
[10:43]  * diplo might order his rasp today
[10:45] <dogmatic69> damn, can only order 1
[10:46] <diplo> really, should be able to order more now
[10:46] <diplo> as of a few days ago
[11:04] <dogmatic69> bah. "Despatch expected in 19 week(s)"
[11:10] <dogmatic69> yes! skipped the queue. should have one by monday
[11:12] <diplo> Skipped the Q ?
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> queueueueueue
[11:13] <dogmatic69> raspberry pi
[11:13] <diplo> yeah I meant how did you skip the Q ?
[11:14]  * AlanBell wonders how to get unity running on Raspbian
[11:14] <dogmatic69> oh, ebay
[11:14] <diplo> ah
[11:14] <dogmatic69> should have one monday :)
[11:15] <diplo> paying £45 for it ?
[11:15] <dogmatic69> 42 + 4.99 for shipping
[11:16] <popey> AlanBell, do you have some chalk and a chicken?
[11:16] <AlanBell> popey: funnily enough, yes!
[11:17] <popey> draw a pentagram on the floor
[11:18]  * AlanBell starts by installing compiz
[11:21] <daubers> popey: fresh or frozen?
[11:26] <bigcalm> Breakfast at 12ish is wonderful
[11:26] <oimon> raspbian sounds like some sexual deviancy
[11:27]  * BigRedS had assumed it was
[11:28] <oimon> christel, my 2.5 year old saw a real photo frame and called it a tablet
[11:28] <oimon> it had a black border and glass screen, and does look rather like my hp tablet
[11:28] <oimon> which he knows his way round rather well
[11:29] <bigcalm> It's the way of the future
[11:29] <brobostigon> very cute.
[11:29] <bigcalm> My office is a mess. I need a maid
[11:29] <gord_> you need to be less messy
[11:29] <bigcalm> Bah
[11:42] <christel> oimon: haha fantastic :D
[11:43] <dogmatic69> anyone running ubuntu server on raspberry pi?
[11:44] <popey> you can't yet
[11:44] <popey> we don't support the arm rev used in the pi
[11:44] <dogmatic69> just saw something saying that :/
[11:45] <dogmatic69> I guess its in the pipes?
[11:45] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: not the official pipes
[11:45]  * popey shrugs
[11:46] <bigcalm> The pipes need cleaning
[11:46] <christel> clogged are they
[11:46] <bigcalm> Sounds like it
[11:47] <AlanBell> it isn't going to be an important platform for Ubuntu in any way really
[11:58] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: what do you have running on yours?
[11:58] <dogmatic69> or what is your plans / use for it
[11:59] <AlanBell> at the moment I have it on my desk as a third screen, I was using it with synergy so controling the keyboard and mouse from my laptop
[11:59] <AlanBell> just using it for ssh stuff really
[12:00] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[12:00] <AlanBell> running this on Saturday: http://raspberryjamsurrey.eventbrite.com/
[12:00] <AlanBell> hoping to get some interesting ideas going
[12:00] <dogmatic69> oh
[12:01] <dogmatic69> short notice or I would have come.  Hello I forgot earlier
[13:05] <christel> though pub sounds most tempting, but i should refrain :)
[13:06]  * diplo just got back from a lovely pub lunch!
[13:13] <bigcalm> Pub last night was fun
[13:14] <bigcalm> Introduced Hayley to the Pie Factory
[13:14] <christel> i fear i don't know it
[13:14] <bigcalm> http://www.madorourkes.com/
[13:15] <christel> ooh i thought it was somewhere with Just Pies
[13:26] <dwatkins> ooh, ufw is a nifty and simple firewall - didn't realise it was installed by default, either.
[13:29] <davmor2> dwatkins: indeed it is :)
[13:30] <davmor2> dwatkins: if you want a nice simply gui you you can install gufw too
[13:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: more important did she like it :)
[13:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: she did indeed. She also got on well with James and Gretchen
[13:31] <davmor2> Yay does that mean she might start coming to lug meetings and keep gretchen company :)
[13:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: nope. It was as an introduction to playing cards
[13:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: Okay....
[13:34] <bigcalm> I'm sure you'll learn more on Wednesday next week :D
[13:35] <dwatkins> davmor2: the amusing part was that during the time it took to install gufw as well, I found the syntax of what I wanted to do at the command line :)
[13:36] <davmor2> we are shooting things then not playing cards :P
[13:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed we are. I mean you can find out why the 4 of us went to the Pie Factory :)
[13:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: I might have my new car by then too :D
[13:48] <christel> VROOM VROOM
[13:48] <christel> what happens on wednesday?
[13:48] <christel> oh lug meeting!
[13:49]  * christel goes back to fighting with indesign
[13:53] <christel> AlanBell: i'm pretty disappointed that there hasn't been a Happy Hour since March!
[13:53] <bigcalm> Ooh ooh
[13:53] <bigcalm> !
[13:53] <bigcalm> Happy hour at the end of September maybe?
[13:54] <bigcalm> Or just a Farnhamesk gathering
[13:54] <AlanBell> this is a very good point
[13:54] <christel> AlanBell: i feel you are neglecting your "looking after the community" duties
[13:54] <christel> appropriate punishment will ensue
[13:54] <christel> bigcalm: did you have Dates yet? :)
[13:54] <AlanBell> so, where should there be a happy hour?
[13:55] <christel> AlanBell: EVERYWHERE (farnham)
[13:55] <bigcalm> christel: last Thursday in September I think is when things happen
[13:55] <bigcalm> christel: I will have to double check
[13:55] <christel> though if The List is supposed to be In Order then i guess.. oxford?
[13:56] <AlanBell> the list doesn't have to be considered to be in order
[13:56] <AlanBell> oxford we would do in term time
[13:56] <christel> so that we can eye up young students?
[13:56] <bigcalm> :O
[13:56] <christel> er, i mean. because there is more people there
[13:57] <AlanBell> one of those, yes
[13:57] <bigcalm> Sounds idea to me
[13:57] <AlanBell> there should probably be a wolverhampton one
[13:57]  * christel nods
[13:58] <bigcalm> We've already had a Wolverhampton one, but we could do with another
[13:58] <AlanBell> where was the wolverhampton one?
[13:59] <davmor2> AlanBell: at the moon under water
[13:59] <bigcalm> We twined it with the Ubuntu pre-release
[13:59]  * AlanBell goes to update the list/map
[14:00] <christel> good boy!
[14:01] <davmor2> christel: you say that like he is a pet dog :D
[14:02] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that we are all christel's pets on Freenode
[14:02] <AlanBell> when was the moon under water thing exactly?
[14:02] <christel> haha sorry, that was not entirely intentional!
[14:02] <christel> (woof)
[14:02] <bigcalm> AlanBell: just before release of 12.04
[14:03] <bigcalm> The Thursday before I think
[14:03] <davmor2> AlanBell: the week before precise got released
[14:06] <christel> :)
[14:06] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ map updated
[14:06] <AlanBell> my plans of drawing a cute picture of a chicken with the lines are not going well
[14:07] <christel> haha
[14:08] <AlanBell> I was trying to sort out a Southampton one but several people there didn't seem to get the concept
[14:08] <christel> sok, you can turn it into a rabbit
[14:08] <AlanBell> had someone turn up and tell me they were going to the pub that evening so could I make it a happy hour /o\
[14:08] <christel> haha
[14:09] <AlanBell> and the other locals didn't seem to get the point that they need to nominate a date and a pub at which they will commit to turning up
[14:09] <gord> i got a leaflet through my door, "the local lottery for local people". i need to get out of this town... its turning into the league of gentlemen
[14:10] <davmor2> https://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/news/the-gherkin-to-become-the-penguin,974,NS.html Yay gerkin linux
[14:11] <davmor2> gord: you could come to wolverhampton and be normal like what we are
[14:12] <christel> hehe
[14:14] <bigcalm> christel: Thursday 20th to Sunday 23rd
[14:14] <christel> my that is one long happy hour
[14:14] <christel> i don't know if i have that much happy in me!
[14:14] <bigcalm> christel: these are the dates I have been told of
[14:14] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:18] <christel> AH! BINGO!
[14:18]  * christel does a little dance
[14:19] <davmor2> christel: You'll be in a pub as long as you aren't an angry drunk I don't see why you wouldn't :D
[14:19] <christel> Christel 1 - InDesign 0
[14:19] <christel> i am always angry :(
[14:19] <brobostigon> :(
[14:19] <bigcalm> :(
[14:19] <christel> people always describe me like that.. "oh christel? yeah, you know.. she's the angry one"
[14:19] <christel> :(
[14:19] <christel> and then i get really angry
[14:20]  * davmor2 refuses to believe that christel is always angry
[14:20] <bigcalm> How on earth?
[14:20] <bigcalm> christel: I've yet to see you angry
[14:21] <christel> ssssh!
[14:21] <bigcalm> Letting off steam?
[14:21] <christel> haha
[14:22] <davmor2> it's all that anger
[14:25] <christel> mmm
[14:59] <KungFuPanda> hi guys, any1 know how to resize partition by using GParted? there is a "key" icon in front of the driver I want to resize it?
[14:59] <brobostigon> KungFuPanda: unmount it first.
[15:00] <christel> bigcalm: come back to farnham for the rest of your holiday! noone else wants to go to the pub with me (apparently because i didn't want to go to the pub yesterday and they are all suffering!)
[15:01] <KungFuPanda> if I unmount from / , is it going to lose all my data ?
[15:02] <BigRedS> you can't unmount /
[15:02] <BigRedS> you'll need to reboot into a livecd
[15:02] <AlanBell> losing all data is a possible outcome of getting things wrong in gparted
[15:03] <brobostigon> backup. :)
[15:03] <BigRedS> oh yes
[15:03] <KungFuPanda> but if I do it in right way, it should not lose all data? right ?
[15:03] <BigRedS> it's also a possible outcome of using disks
[15:03] <BigRedS> so have backups anyway :)
[15:04] <brobostigon> KungFuPanda: there is always a chance, or it going tits up. nothing is ever a sure thing.
[15:04] <BigRedS> KungFuPanda: yeah, what should happen is you resize the partition and the data stays there and the bit of the disk that's no longer in that partition is made up entirely of what was unused disk space
[15:04] <BigRedS> but it's not especially hard to get it wrong
[15:04] <BigRedS> I did it this morning...
[15:05] <brobostigon> of it*
[15:06] <KungFuPanda> thanks, I just got some unallocated space from window system, I want to add these to ubuntu, I will try now, if I am not back in 1 hour, then my system down, :P , wish me luck
[15:18] <directhex> 2 new sales!
[15:19] <directhex> the longest journey and dreamfall, £3.74 the pair. old school fantastic world adventuring. extra points for strong female protagonists
[15:23] <christel> :)
[15:54] <oimon> how can i make firefox less of a fail ?
[15:54] <oimon> really sluggish with only 30 tabs open
[15:55] <diplo> only....
[15:55] <diplo> Don't have so many tabs ?
[15:55] <diplo> Do you have G+/FB/Twitter in any of those tabs ?
[15:56] <oimon> no twitter or fb but gmail and g+
[15:56] <diplo> yeah, g+/twitter hit FF for me quite badly
[15:56] <diplo> twitter more so
[15:57] <oimon> so , using the internet breaks ff
[15:57] <oimon> nope, still slow
[15:59] <diplo> Using shed loads of js to refresh pages etc breaks browser JS engines im guessing
[16:00] <diplo> right off home
[16:00] <diplo> catch you laters
[16:02] <oimon> news.google too seems to kill it
[16:02] <oimon> might have to give up and use chrome
[16:23] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[16:47] <BigRedS> oimon: you'll also find that having mail breaks thunderbird
[16:53] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vF-AB7SF4&feature=player_embedded
[16:56] <zleap> ohh if 12.04 stays on schedule we should be out before windows 8 on the 26th october
[16:56] <zleap> sorry 12.10
[16:57] <jacobw> moop :(
[17:04] <bigcalm> popey: all looks good. So much I miss out on by not being a Unity user :(
[17:04] <popey> yup, you do :)
[17:04] <bigcalm> *pout*
[17:05] <bigcalm> Get the boys in the lab to make Unity play nicely with my monitor/graphics card set-up :)
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Web App Integration In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/19/web-app-integration-in-ubuntu/
[18:51] <ali1234> i don't see what needs unity out of that
[18:51] <ali1234> except for hud integration
[18:51] <AlanBell> the web apps you mean?
[18:51] <ali1234> yeah
[18:51] <ali1234> firefox already does all of that stuff
[18:52] <AlanBell> the app can publish the unread items number to the launcher
[18:52] <ali1234> big deal...
[18:52] <ali1234> that's already in the indicator anyway
[18:52] <AlanBell> agreed, but there it is
[18:52] <AlanBell> oh and gmail goes in the indicator
[18:52] <ali1234> notifications and indicators don't need unity
[18:53] <ali1234> same for last.fm and the music indicator
[18:54] <ali1234> if you have a sane way of switching windows then it's not really necessary to have a way to separate out the firefox windows that contain "apps" from all the others
[18:54] <ali1234> if you don't just dump them all on a single icon by default that is
[18:55] <AlanBell> yeah, we don't have a nice way to switch windows
[18:56] <AlanBell> switching applications is easy though, so I guess they turn up separately in alt-tab
[18:56] <ali1234> this seems to be separate .desktop files to run firefox in app mode, so they get their own icon and launcher
[18:57] <ali1234> plus some extension to work with indicators
[19:01] <Azelphur> is a cover of a song a copyright violation?
[19:01] <Azelphur> eg playing a song on guitar and putting it on youtube
[19:01] <ali1234> yeah
[19:01] <Azelphur> doesn't it fall under fair use?
[19:01] <ali1234> no
[19:01] <Azelphur> :(
[19:02] <ali1234> the performance and the composition are both covered
[19:02] <ali1234> possibly held by different people
[19:04] <Azelphur> sucks for my friend the musician then :p
[19:05] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4482752/pix/all%20of%20my%20what.png at least people in South Sudan can still watch it?  Or should I stick with my FM radio for now, and get a DAB(+) one when I buy a new car?
[19:29] <AlanBell> I would love to go to Amsterdam again
[19:42] <AlanBell> anyone got the unity-webapps thing actually working?
[19:43] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Sibelius on BBC Four... if you're feeling Finnish :)
[19:46] <jacobw> it's taken for too long for DAB in vehicles
[19:46] <Myrtti> hehe, am in Finland at the moment ;-)
[19:46] <jacobw> i like reindeer
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: yes but do I want to spend €150ish on a new car radio, or do I wait a year (maybe two) and buy a new car with it built in :)
[19:47] <Myrtti> jacobw: yes, they are tasty
[19:48] <jacobw> :)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: also, that 150€ radio comes with an antenna I need to stick on my window(?)
[19:50] <ali1234> AlanBell: i can't install it because it depends on compiz :(
[19:50] <AlanBell> whut!
[19:51] <ali1234> the webapps thing
[19:51]  * jacobw thinks new car is better
[19:51] <AlanBell> gosh
[19:51] <AlanBell> well I guess it depends on unity which depends on compiz
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: but.. l'expensive
[19:51] <ali1234> i'm trying to find which packages you actually need to install
[19:51] <AlanBell> /usr/share/unity-webapps/userscripts contains interesting looking stuff after you install it
[19:52] <ali1234> i don't see anything firefox related in the dependencies
[19:52] <jacobw> revival of mozilla prism?
[19:52] <AlanBell> lots of .js files that get loaded into the page, greasemonkey style I think
[19:52] <AlanBell> a .js file for each site it is integrating with
[19:53] <ali1234> but but but omg ubuntu said i don't have to make a js file for every site
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> One .js file to rule them all, and in the darkness bind dem
[19:53] <AlanBell> I want to do an integration for openERP and vTiger (so not URL specific)
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> them
[19:53] <ali1234> i guess omg doesn't know what he's talking about as usual
[19:54] <AlanBell> erm, yeah, I think the point is that they are already done in the package or something
[19:54] <AlanBell> or could in theory be hosted by the site (which might help me with the openERP/vTiger stuff)
[19:54] <AlanBell> if only it actually did anything at all :(
[19:56] <ali1234> yeah, so it does need a script that has to be constantly updated when the site changes...
[19:56] <ali1234> just like every other implementation of this, lenses, pidgin etc
[19:56] <AlanBell> yes
[19:58] <AlanBell> and the GMail one (at least) specifically checks for divs called 'canvas_frame', 'hist_frame', 'js_frame' to be there in the isCorrectPage() function for example
[19:58] <ali1234> the ppa is giving me partial upgrade warning now
[19:58] <ali1234> the ppa has a newer version of unity too
[19:58] <AlanBell> window.Unity = external.getUnityObject(1); is probably where the magic happens, wonder if I can get to that with firebug
[19:58] <ali1234> and a patched chromium
[19:59] <ali1234> oh, so they've added an explicit API so apps can make multiple launcher icons for running instances?
[19:59] <AlanBell> external.getUnityObject is not a function
[20:00] <ali1234> you probably didn't install the upgraded unity and then log out and log in again?
[20:00] <AlanBell> I didn't install the upgraded unity, but I did log out and back in
[20:00] <AlanBell> I am running 12.10
[20:01] <ali1234> unity (2 5.12.0-0ubuntu3~webapps7)
[20:01] <ali1234> you need that
[20:01]  * directhex moos
[20:01] <directhex> moo
[20:01] <popey> unity 6 is in 12.10
[20:01] <popey> so you need to wait for that to be patched
[20:01] <AlanBell> not sure, the articles say nothing about needing that
[20:01] <AlanBell> oh, so it doesn't work in 12.10 yet then?
[20:01] <popey> discussion is happening in #ubuntu-webapps btw
[20:02] <ali1234> actualy discussion, or just a bunch of people idling?
[20:03] <ali1234> ah, i can install unity-webapps without the upgraded unity
[20:04] <ali1234> that just pulls xul-ext-unity
[20:04] <ali1234> presumably thats the firefox stuff
[20:04] <ali1234> let's have account=plugin-google too
[20:05] <ali1234> now i have two "online accounts" icons in system settings
[20:06] <ali1234> ok google account authorzed
[20:06] <ali1234> let's get the new indicator applets...
[20:07] <ali1234> and now relog...
[20:11] <ali1234> got nothing :(
[21:22] <TheFred> hello
[21:31] <christel> hiya TheFred :)
[21:31] <TheFred> hello christel  - hope you've had a good day
[21:32] <christel> it ahs been a bit of a rollercoaster of a day! but it is approaching Happy To Bed time ;)
[21:33] <TheFred> cool, its good when your wanting sleep
[21:33] <TheFred> its been one of those days for me too
[21:34] <TheFred> started bad (desktop died) then got better (app is doing well on Google Play)
[21:35] <TheFred> wohoo - new PC parts ordered for delivery tommorow :)
[21:36] <MattJ> I know people here use multiple monitors... does anyone have problems with mouse movement along each axis being different?
[21:37] <Azelphur> MattJ: nope
[21:37] <AlanBell> MattJ: nope
[21:37] <TheFred> yea - if the resolution is different
[21:37] <MattJ> If I configure my monitors horizontally, horizontal movement becomes really fast
[21:37] <MattJ> if I configure them vertically, I have the same problem in that direction
[21:37] <MattJ> The resolution is indeed different
[21:38] <MattJ> I can't work out if it's meant to be a bug or a feature
[21:38] <TheFred> i had different monitors/cards and it was a pig until i fitted 2 identical graphics cards/monitos
[21:38] <AlanBell> there are several things slightly broken with monitors with mismatched vertical sizes
[21:38] <TheFred> I think its a feature - total 'screen' width is a function of mouse speed
[21:39] <AlanBell> it isn't a feature, and it isn't a bug I have seen
[21:39] <TheFred> id looked into it a while back  - seen lack of bug reports about it, hence my label of feature...
[21:40] <MattJ> Well it *sounds* like a sensible feature
[21:40] <TheFred> maybe correct label is a 'quirk'
[21:40] <TheFred> :)
[21:40] <MattJ> I mean, it means I can get anywhere on my (wide) desktop in equal time
[21:40] <AlanBell> it doesn't happen for me
[21:40] <TheFred> yea - but its a pain if your working with images
[21:41] <MattJ> Indeed
[21:41] <AlanBell> I use a laptop and sometimes an HD monitor by the side, the mouse behaves the same in both situations
[21:41] <MattJ> I wonder if there's some xrandr magic I can fix it with
[21:41] <MattJ> AlanBell, ok, thanks
[21:41] <MattJ> AlanBell, what version of Ubuntu?
[21:41] <TheFred> MattJ,  my workaround was to change mouse speed/sensitivity when in dual monitor mode
[21:42] <AlanBell> MattJ: 12.04 and 12.10
[21:42] <MattJ> TheFred, I did that too at first, but that doesn't work around the fact it's uneven
[21:42] <AlanBell> moving your mouse in a circle should move the cursor in a circle, not an oval
[21:43] <MattJ> I have a nice oval :)
[21:43] <TheFred> i had that problem too with different resolutions.. but when i switched to identical cards/monitors it was ok
[21:43] <MattJ> I have a touchpad, so I guess it's easier to adjust to than if I were using an external mouse
[21:44] <TheFred> hmmmm.. just seen that the new CPU i ordered is a Celeron G530 which is 64 bit... im wondering if 32 bit version of Ubuntu will work ok?
[21:45] <ali1234> yes it will work fine
[21:45] <TheFred> thanks ali1234
[21:45] <MattJ> Finally, at least someone mentions something like it: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=42137
[21:45] <TheFred> I didnt want to go 64 bit - it still seems problematic according to loads of posts on Ubuntu Forums
[21:45] <MattJ> Though I'm not using VirtualBox...
[21:47] <ali1234> ubuntu forums is full of misinformation
[21:47] <TheFred> yea - i found that too sometimes
[21:48] <TheFred> MattJ, I wish i could provide more data - but seeing as my desktop died this morning I cant check the settings to help you
[21:48] <MattJ> TheFred, np
[21:48] <MattJ> It's not urgent, I'll get used to it (have done before)
[21:48] <MattJ> The problem is that I had my external monitor above my laptop one, and I just switched
[21:49] <MattJ> I got used to it that way, and now the response is half what it should be in the direction I got used to it being twice what it should be
[21:49] <TheFred> Im hoping i can get away with running the new m-board/CPU with the HDD as it is so I can backup some work I had done without a re-install
[21:49] <MattJ> and it's a pain :)
[21:50] <TheFred> I recall i used a keyboard shortcut with AutoKey to make the mouse 'switch' screen
[21:50] <TheFred> alt+d+1 for center of desktop 1, and alt+d+2 for no 2
[21:56] <MattJ> Interestingly I think it only affects my touchpad
[21:56] <MattJ> i.e. not an external mouse
[21:56] <TheFred> Its going to be such a leap with the parts I ordered. The desktop that died this morning was built in 1996 (1100Mhz) with DDR2, and the new CPU is 2.4Gz Dual core :)
[21:57] <TheFred> MattJ, yes what ever you do dont connect 2 usb mice...
[21:57] <MattJ> Ok, now I have to go and find another mouse...
[21:57] <MattJ> and a PS/2 one as well, just to see what happens
[21:58] <TheFred> I though I could map one mouse to each screen... it simply does not not create 2 mouse pointers with 2 mice  :)
[21:58] <TheFred> ... I had to try..
[21:59] <MattJ> TheFred, you /can/ do that though in recent versions of Ubuntu I believe
[21:59] <MattJ> Not that I've tried it, requires some hacking
[21:59] <MattJ> and I adore my touchpad
[21:59] <TheFred> hmm... food for thought!
[22:04] <TheFred> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8256/
[22:06] <MattJ> Oh yay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/621432
[22:15] <TheFred> Is there any news (that i've missed) for Ubuntu on Raspberry Pi?
[22:16] <ali1234> no
[22:16] <TheFred> ok
[22:16]  * TheFred pats news spider bot
[22:18] <christel> oh god
[22:18] <christel> i kidnapped a spider
[22:18] <christel> when we were on the RAT
[22:18] <christel> i actually drunkenly forced this tiny little spider into my handbag
[22:19] <christel> (and was most disappointed not to be able to find it again when i returned home)
[22:19] <ali1234> the other day i saw a weird mutant spider with 6 legs, and 2 of the legs grew out of it's "head" (yes i know spiders don't have heads) where the ... mandibles?... should be
[22:19] <ali1234> so that was weird
[22:19] <christel> !
[22:20] <christel> i once tried to sell a six-legged spider on ebay
[22:20] <christel> (they removed the listing mind)
[22:20] <christel> though it was just a regular housespider that had lost two legs :s
[22:23] <TheFred> lol, I once left a fresh pouch of tobacco open overnight to dry out a bit, rolled a ciggie in the morning and it stank like burnt hair/chicken - i was wondering what the cause was, and a 7 legged spider crawled out of the pouch!
[22:23] <ali1234> gross
[22:23] <TheFred> indeed
[22:24] <christel> hahahaha
[22:25] <TheFred> remember kids, I do the experiments so you dont have to....
[22:26] <TheFred> This weeks experiment was: using a petrol strimmer as an outboard
[22:26] <TheFred> it kinda works until the clutch gives out
[22:26] <christel> i like you, you're strange and funny
[22:26] <TheFred> conclusion: buy a proper motor
[22:26] <TheFred> christel, thanks.... i think :)
[22:26] <christel> hehe
[22:26] <christel> <3
[22:26] <TheFred> brb
[22:31] <TheFred> meh - drunken yobs fighting outside - glad the police are around
[22:35] <hamitron> it can't be dark down your street then ;)
[22:35] <TheFred> nah - its all lit up because of the festival here
[22:45] <christel> happy to bed time! nn lovelies <3
[22:54] <TheFred> gnite christel


[15:31] <ace_ace121> When i login, i get a dialog saying: HAL not started. I have to manually start it each time. how to start HAL at startup?? i tried sudo update-rc.d hal defaults,which gives this message " System startup links for /etc/init.d/hal already exist"


[00:24] <pixelkat> minecraft
[00:24] <pixelkat> wrong chat room sorry
[00:25] <knome> pixelkat, please pay attention.
[00:26] <pixelkat> but im poor
[00:26] <pixelkat> in money
[00:26] <pixelkat> rich in spirit
[00:26] <pixelkat> :3
[00:27] <knome> pixelkat, you can stop the nonsense now and stay in the channel or continue it and get in problems
[00:29]  * DalekSec waves to dalekusa.
[00:31] <pixelkat> :(
[02:03] <xubuntu54w> hello i want to change my theme but in gnome-tweak-tool i have a triangle with an exclamation mark next to the shell theme section
[02:03] <xubuntu54w> i have gnome shell 3.14.3
[02:04] <knome> then you probably want to ask the ubuntu gnome (or whatever flavor is using that) channel
[02:28] <gowned> hi, how do I reload an updated wallpaper?
[02:31] <knome> gowned, you can do that at least by switching to some other wallpaper and back
[02:32] <gowned> o
[02:34] <gowned> thx knome
[02:34] <knome> no problem
[03:07] <xubuntumallio> hi  all
[03:07] <xubuntumallio> somebody know wy pokerstars won't work??
[06:24] <xubuntu38w> when will be the next kernel build with ldt16 be for 14.04 and 14.04.1?
[08:25] <xubuntu09w> i cant install adobe flash player in chromium, xubuntu 14.04
[10:04] <sim642> I had xubuntu crash on me (due to GPU driver issues I think) and now there's numerous things broken with my install: 1. all fonts in xfce are different, 2. half of the settings groups are gone from the settings manager (e.g. there's even no sound settings). What can I do now?
[10:06] <brainwash> sim642: did you maybe start the normal Xfce session instead of the Xubuntu one?
[10:07] <brainwash> and is the guest session affected too?
[10:07] <sim642> brainwash, I started up as usual, only had to delete .Xauthority to get it to log in to my account at all
[10:08] <sim642> I can't switch user either, it's been a while like this
[10:08] <brainwash> you cannot?
[10:08] <sim642> it's grayed out in the menu that comes up clicking on my username in top right panel
[10:09] <sim642> I think I read somewhere it being broken after some update, not sure
[10:09] <brainwash> you can log out and then select the guest session
[10:10] <sim642> it's kinda awkward to test if I have to log out entirely
[10:11] <brainwash> can you lock the screen? this should offer you the option to switch to a different user also
[10:12] <sim642> I've tried, new login just goes gray on click too
[10:12] <brainwash> xscreensaver or light-locker?
[10:13] <brainwash> or something else
[10:15] <brainwash> maybe you should explain in more detail how the fonts changed and which settings launchers are missing
[10:15] <sim642> should be xscreensaver
[10:16] <brainwash> sounds settings should run "pavucontrol"
[10:16] <sim642> I went and had a look at the guest account, I think it had the nice default fonts everywhere
[10:16] <brainwash> can you manually launch pavucontrol?
[10:17] <brainwash> ah, you are using xubuntu 14.04, right?
[10:17] <sim642> manually launching works fine
[10:17] <sim642> 14.04.1 LTS it should be
[10:18] <brainwash> bug 1320560
[10:18] <brainwash> it has been fixed in 14.10
[10:19] <brainwash> look at comment #4 for an easy workaround
[10:20] <brainwash> back to the initial problems: I guess you could configure the font to your likings
[10:20] <sim642> I could change some of the fonts in the settings from Sans to Droid Sans or something which seemed to look like it was before
[10:21] <sim642> but there are still places which were unaffected by that
[10:21] <sim642> it makes me believe that for some odd reason the default Sans font has changed or something
[10:21] <sim642> because I was on all default fonts before
[10:24] <sim642> thanks for the user switching tip, it worked at least
[10:24] <brainwash> well, you could reset your Xfce settings by deleting ~/.config/xfce4
[10:24] <brainwash> delete or move (backup)
[10:25] <sim642> I contemplated about it but didn't do it yet hoping there's some less destructive fix
[10:25] <brainwash> furthermore, an altered menu structure may be saved somewhere in ~/.local/share
[10:26] <brainwash> which also affects the settings manager
[10:27] <sim642> removing that xfce4 config should fix the settings manager too?
[10:27] <brainwash> you can take a closer look at ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/ and only delete certain config files
[10:28] <brainwash> I think "xsettings.xml" contains the font settings
[10:28] <brainwash> I don't know if this will fix the settings manager problem
[10:28] <sim642> I doubt that because I checked the settings manager in Guest session as well and it also had numerous missing items
[10:29] <brainwash> they should not magically disappear, that's all I know :)
[10:30] <sim642> well yeah
[10:30] <brainwash> do they show up in the whisker menu search?
[10:30] <brainwash> or listed in the "all" section
[10:31] <brainwash> bug 1320251
[10:31] <brainwash> woops
[10:31] <brainwash> bug 1310264
[10:31] <brainwash> this one ^
[10:32] <brainwash> maybe related
[10:33] <sim642> oh I just searched what whisker menu looks at and I don't have that, I just have the xfce application menu or whatever it should be called
[10:34] <brainwash> the classic app menu
[10:34] <brainwash> you can add whisker menu to the panel
[10:34] <sim642> I don't even have it in the new panel items list
[10:34] <brainwash> does the classic app menu show the "settings" category?
[10:35] <sim642> yeah it does
[10:35] <sim642> it doesn't list the missing items either
[10:35] <sim642> for example I can't found Sound from there
[10:35] <brainwash> any other examples?
[10:36] <sim642> it's quite difficult to remember any like this because I don't constantly use settings but I remember there certainly being many more
[10:37] <brainwash> ahh, isn't this launcher suppose to show up in the multimedia category?
[10:37] <brainwash> supposed
[10:37] <brainwash> Categories=AudioVideo;Audio;Mixer;GTK;
[10:38] <brainwash> "PulseAudio Volume Control"
[10:39] <sim642> I've never had it under multimedia I think
[10:39] <sim642> but also, when I try to open sound settings from the sound indicator
[10:39] <brainwash> maybe someone else can verify this
[10:39] <brainwash> I don't have xubuntu running at the moment
[10:39] <sim642> it starts up a very different settings manager which I think is the gnome-control-center.real process
[10:40] <sim642> and only has 3 items in it
[10:40] <brainwash> bug 1359249
[10:41] <brainwash> that's an indication for my previous theory: you are not running the xubuntu session
[10:41] <brainwash> but the Xfce one
[10:42] <brainwash> open a terminal window and "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION"
[10:42] <brainwash> and run
[10:42] <sim642> xfce it is
[10:42] <brainwash> log out and select the xubuntu session then :)
[10:42] <sim642> I find this odd because I've always used only xubuntu session and I certainly haven't changed it
[10:43] <brainwash> it is odd
[10:43] <brainwash> but you've deleted some hidden files in your home dir, or?
[10:44] <brainwash> one might have saved the currently running session type
[10:45] <brainwash> without it you'll get the first session entry in the list
[10:46] <sim642> it's back to normal now, thanks
[10:46] <brainwash> awesome
[10:47] <sim642> it even took me a while to figure out where I could change the session on the login screen, I don't think I've ever seen that tiny option
[10:48] <brainwash> heh, it really is subtle
[14:16] <xubuntu87w> Hello. Anyone can help me with my proble? my problem that os cant start if wireless mouse's adapter plugged on. os hangs at black screen. If try to start without adapter, os start correctly. And then i can use my mouse fine. BTW mouse Logitech Perfomance
[14:41] <holstein> xubuntu87w: nah.. what i would do is just unplug to boot.. i have seen that, actually, with a few USB devices.. not sure if its a bios level thing or something with linux specificially..
[14:42] <AgAu> it's giving you hint.... wireless mice are terrible :P
[14:43] <holstein> well, wireless mice are wireless... if you want wireless, its necessary
[14:43] <AgAu> indeed
[14:44] <AgAu> but why would you want wireless :P
[14:44] <holstein> the same reason there are no wires on phones..
[14:45] <AgAu> well i don't use a mouse when im walking around
[14:45] <AgAu> in mid air
[14:45] <holstein> anyways, for this issue, its nothing to do with the wireless, its just that there is a particular USB device plugged.. happens to me with a flip camera
[14:45] <GrinchCube> ._. my wireless mice works fine
[16:35] <amundsen> hi
[16:36] <amundsen> i've been googling to find a solution for the xfce panel battery indicator issue
[16:37] <amundsen> but haven't find it
[16:37] <amundsen> did anyone solve this problem?
[16:37] <amundsen> i know it is solved in 14.10
[16:39] <amundsen> but not in 14.04
[16:44] <xubuntu81w> i downloaded the xubuntu it came as an iso file, and now i don't know how to continue, i want to install is, what should i do ?
[16:44] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | xubuntu81w,first verify the .iso
[16:49] <Sh3r1ff> !burn | xubuntu81w
[19:58] <junebug> I am trying to figure out if something similar to open location is possible. I often use ctrl + L for open location in Thunar but i usually want to start typing at the end of the path, and not nessesarily to type in a whole new path. Is there some shortcut that will put my cursor in focus at the end of the path?
[20:00] <brainwash> junebug: end key?
[20:07] <junebug> brainwash: that's an option but i'd love to be able to do it in one keystroke if possible
[20:10] <drc1> junebug: You want a CTRL+L + ENDKEY in one keystroke? Have you looked at Edit>Configure Customs Actions in Thunar ?
[20:12] <junebug> drc1: that's correct. I am aware of it but i thought that was more for context menus? any idea how i would add a custom keystroke?
[20:12] <drc1> Nope, never used it before.
[20:12] <drc1> Just aware of it's existence...it seemed the simplest way (if possible)
[20:13] <brainwash> junebug: you should take a look at xdotool -> http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/
[20:14] <junebug> brainwash: thanks for the link. i will check it out.
[20:16] <brainwash> you basically use this little tool to send the keystrokes
[20:17] <brainwash> use the Xfce settings interface to define a custom keybind which runs xdotool
[20:20] <junebug> brainwash: thanks for the help
[20:22] <brainwash> junebug: however, maybe it's worth to file a report on the Xfce bug tracker and request it to be changed by default
[20:22] <brainwash> place cursor at the end
[20:48] <zleap> hi
[20:48] <zleap> my  menu bar in thunar has disappeared and ctrl M isn't working to bring it back , can someone help please
[20:53] <drc1> I'd start by closing (all) Thunar(s), use a terminal to rename/move (so you can restore it if this doesn't work) ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/thunar.xml, and reopen Thunar.
[20:57] <Buddyb> Hi all
[20:58] <zleap> drc1, ok i have opened that file
[20:59] <zleap> ah change last menu bar to false
[20:59] <zleap> or last menu bar visible to false
[20:59] <zleap> seems to work
[21:00] <drc1> ok, from what you said that seems to work too.  So...problem solved?
[21:03] <zleap> yeah thank you
[21:04] <drc1> No problem (especially as you you found your own solution) :)
[21:04] <zleap> http://zleap.net/xubuntu-thunar-file-manager/
[21:04] <zleap> i have also updated my webpage on this to include your solution and given you credit for helping
[21:05] <drc1> So much for keeping a low profile :)
[21:06] <zleap> sorr
[21:06] <zleap> y
[21:06] <zleap> not sure how many people read that page anyway
[21:06] <brainwash> can you reproduce this behavior (ctrl+m fails)?
[21:07] <brainwash> if yes, please file a bug report
[21:07] <zleap> ok will see if I can figure out what happened
[21:08] <zleap> it is working fine now,  but i must hasve hit a setting that produces a preferences button which is why the menu bar didn't toggle
[21:08] <drc1> zleap: You haven't reassigned CTL+L anywhere else, have you?
[21:09] <drc1> er...CRTL+M, that is....CRTL+L was another problem earlier :)
[21:09] <zleap> not that i know of
[21:09] <drc1> Chalk it up to rogue christmas elves then.
[21:09] <zleap> if I trigger the same issue I will update the page and then file a bug report
[21:10] <zleap> yeah
[22:46] <fartface> Hey is there anything in XFCE like what happens when you hit Super in Gnome?  What I'm referring to is the 'open window showcase', where it shows all of the open windows as thumbnails?
[22:47] <xangua> alt+tab ¿
[22:48] <brainwash> fartface: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/xfdashboard-gnome-shell-like-dashboard-xfce-xubuntu.html
[22:51] <fartface> brainwash: cool!  That is basically the trick!
[22:51] <fartface> Thanks!
[23:23] <terratoma> if i use the default ubuntu desktop session, sound works fine.  if i start with xubuntu desktop, no sound.  what did i do wrong ?
[23:24] <HassanCehef> i had issue with the sound too.
[23:24] <HassanCehef> i uninstalled pulseaudio and went back to alsa-mixer
[23:24] <HassanCehef> you lose the nice widget but it works again
[23:25] <terratoma> i will try that
[23:25] <HassanCehef> to set the volume of your headphones/speakers, you'd have to do it in a terminal, but it's like a GUI, it's easy :)
[23:27] <AgAu> did you actually just open the pulse volume panel and check to make sure the sound is coming out of the right device?
[23:29] <HassanCehef> in my case, pulseaudio crashed after ~30min, or if i played a flash video.