[07:58] <mandel> morning all!!!
[08:29] <karni> Good morning!
[08:37] <JamesTait> Happy morning, everyone! :D
[10:05] <gatox> hi
[11:33] <mandel> gatox, buenas!
[11:33] <gatox> mandel, how are you?
[11:33] <mandel> gatox, find, you had to do a huge review: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/u1sdtool-multiplatform/+merge/80088
[11:34] <mandel> gatox, so, I'm of to walk the dog and let the brain rest a little :P
[11:34] <gatox> mandel, ok
[11:42] <ralsina> morning!
[11:47] <gatox> ralsina, morniing
[11:48] <ralsina> good morning gatox
[12:22] <mvo> hi, I'm hit by bug #875999 - can anyone suggest me a workaround?
[12:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 875999 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "cannot synchronise with ubuntuone in spite of success... (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875999
[12:36] <rye> mvo, looking
[12:46] <dobey> ralsina: morning, sinner!
[12:46] <ralsina> dobey: haha
[12:47] <mvo> thanks rye - let me know if I can be of any help, tomboy --debug did not not much that looked useful to me, but I'm happy to pastebin it to you (once I edited out the token info in  there ;)
[12:50] <rye> mvo, was it a fresh install?
[12:51] <mvo> rye: a upgrade from natty, but probably even older than that (can't remember what version this machine started out with)
[12:51] <ralsina> dobey, mandel, gatox, alecu: standup in 9'
[12:51] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[12:51] <mvo> rye: I added tomboy --debug output to the bug now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/875999/comments/3
[12:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 875999 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "cannot synchronise with ubuntuone in spite of success... (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:51] <ralsina> nessita is probably checking in at design sprint or something like that
[12:52] <rye> mvo, ok
[12:52] <rye> [DEBUG 14:17:05.161] GetConfiguredSyncService is null
[12:52] <rye> nice
[12:52] <rye> ok, testing tomboy then
[12:53] <mvo> thanks, let me know if I can do more, fwiw, this debug line "GetConfiguredSyncService is null" is not always there, I just ran it again and this time it won't work but the line is missing, the last is: "[DEBUG 14:50:45.449] Successfully authorized web sync
[12:53] <mvo> "
[12:55] <mvo> rye: mterry from #ubuntu-desktop just helped me with the solution, its using http instead of https, that makes it work (also that of course is not really ideal)
[12:57] <rye> mvo ooh, that is interesting
[13:01] <gatox> me
[13:03] <rye> mvo, could you please tell me where did you change the https to http ?
[13:03] <dobey> meh
[13:04] <rye> i don't think we even support accessing u1 over non-https connection for api
[13:04] <beuno> we don't
[13:05] <mvo> rye: I go to preference/synchronisation, select tomboy web and edit the server tab there. maybe its doing automatic http->https redirects?
[13:06] <dobey> mvo: was the change to http to make the [Save] button clickable?
[13:06] <dobey> and yes, i'm pretty sure http will just redirect to https
[13:07] <gatox> ralsina, mandel standup?
[13:07] <ralsina> oh, right
[13:07] <ralsina> me
[13:07] <dobey> man
[13:07] <dobey> was hoping he wouldn't notice
[13:08] <rye> mvo, hmm, i think i saw that, was that first time you tried to use tomboy on that installation, or previously it was configured too (e.g. on natty) and it broke sync now?
[13:09] <ralsina> let's skip it today
[13:09] <ralsina> Just TODAY, ok?
[13:09] <gatox> ack
[13:10] <dobey> today, tomorrow, and the next 2 weeks?
[13:10] <ralsina> next week I may not be around at standup time because of UDS, I don't know
[13:10] <gatox> ralsina, ahhhhhh didn't we mention to do the standup at 10.30?
[13:10] <ralsina> gatox: oh, THAT, too
[13:10] <ralsina> anyone changed the calendar?
[13:10] <gatox> ralsina, maybe that's way mandel and alecu are not here
[13:10] <dobey> ralsina: you are not going to be doing standup from thursday until after UDS
[13:11] <mvo> rye: I think that used to work on this box, but its my main laptop so it got a lot of churn during the natty->oneiric dev cycle
[13:11] <ralsina> dobey: right
[13:11] <mvo> dobey: aha, that would explain it I think, just typing in the field
[13:11] <ralsina> dobey: but not everyone is at UDS this year, so I expect *some* work to get done ;-)
[13:11] <dobey> ralsina: sure
[13:12] <gatox> ralsina, do you prefer standup or status e-mails?? (i mean... if you are busy to be connected always for standup)
[13:12] <ralsina> I am trying to take my remaining vacation after UDS, so maybe even a little later than that for me
[13:12] <ralsina> gatox: I think easiest is just do the standup and mail it to me?
[13:12] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[13:12] <ralsina> gatox: I will try to have the weekly 1-1s anyway
[13:13] <dobey> speaking of post-UDS holidays
[13:13] <dobey> "Awaiting Sign Off" :)
[13:13] <ralsina> dobey: on it
[13:15] <dobey> man, half of millbank is already there
[13:23] <alecu> hello all!
[13:23] <duanedesign> o/
[13:23] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:24] <alecu> hi gatox. Did we already have the standup, or have we moved it like mandel suggested?
[13:24] <gatox> alecu, it was canceled for today
[13:24] <alecu> gatox, ok, thanks!
[13:25] <gatox> alecu, but i think that is at 10:30 now... we agreed on that..
[13:26] <alecu> gatox, but why was it canceled? I don't remember hearing about that.
[13:26] <dobey> yes, i think we reached quorum on that :)
[13:26] <dobey> 09:09 < ralsina> let's skip it today
[13:28] <ralsina> I changed it to 10:30 a few minutes ago, but let''s skip it just for today.
[13:28]  * ralsina is selfish and busy doing something else
[13:30] <ralsina> dobey, alecu: congrats on having your stuff approved at canonicaladmin, you're welcome yadda yadad
[13:30] <dobey> ralsina: sinner!
[13:30]  * ralsina unapproves dobey's
[13:30] <dobey> ralsina: cthulhu's grace be upon you
[13:31] <ralsina> may he lay his mouthtacles on you
[13:34] <dobey> ugh. i hateses this weather that hates on my sinuses
[13:35] <dobey> man, some companies need to get their act in order, when buying stuff from them
[13:37] <mandel> ralsina, gatox yeah, we changed the time, righ?
[13:37]  * mandel is 5 min late :(
[13:37] <ralsina> mandel: the time is changed, yes
[13:38] <ralsina> mandel: but it's ok, we are skipping it today (among other thigns because noone changed the time)
[13:38] <dobey> i bought something on thursday, came home saturday to a slip in my mailbox saying i need to pick it up at post office today since i wasn't home, and i *just* got a "your order has shipped" notification
[13:38]  * ralsina knows it's *his* fault, yes
[13:38] <mandel> ralsina, ouch! well not a big deal, how is UDS?
[13:38] <ralsina> mandel: next weekish!
[13:38] <dobey> yeah, wrong week
[13:38] <alecu> ralsina, how is the design sprint?
[13:39] <ralsina> alecu: not here! ;-)
[13:39] <mandel> ralsina, is it next week, he I'm in  a diff day :P
[13:39] <ralsina> alecu: I am not going to design sprint
[13:39] <dobey> mandel: you can judge how good it is, by how much i will be on irc :)
[13:39] <mandel> dobey, hahahaha
[13:39] <alecu> ralsina, oh, ok. nessita is going, right_
[13:39] <alecu> ?
[13:39] <mandel> dobey, I have already sme feelings about uds :P
[13:39] <ralsina> alecu: yes, she's probably getting there
[13:39] <dobey> mandel: i probably won't be on irc much if any :)
[13:40] <mandel> alecu, I have some work to do regarding pykeyring-delete-key landing on their trunk and some work with auto update, can we catch up later regarding proxies
[13:40] <mandel> alecu, also, did a partial review on nessitas MEGA branch, I like the new IPC design, but i think ipc_client could be made even smarter (but not in that MP)
[13:41] <alecu> mandel, nice! Please make sure to open a bug with a description of your idea, so we don't forget to work on that later.
[13:41] <dobey> mandel: yo se con las damas ;)
[13:42] <ralsina> dobey: you know checkers?
[13:42] <mandel> dobey, oh.. dont get me started, since I'm in madrid I've been getting into trouble :)
[13:42] <dobey> lol
[13:43] <dobey> ralsina: i *am* the king.
[13:43] <ralsina> dobey: damas == checkers in spanish too (just in case ;-)
[13:44] <mandel> dobey, we should open our own channel where being pc is not allowed :)
[13:45] <dobey> haha
[13:45] <mandel> #ifyoudontswearyouareapussy or something
[13:46] <dobey> heh
[13:47] <ralsina> mandel: slow down a bit there, ok?
[13:48] <mandel> ralsina, in the channel, or here :)
[13:48] <ralsina> in the channel, what happens in madrid stays in madrid or whatever
[13:49]  * ralsina looks for his boss hat. Probably it's under the table.
[13:49] <mandel> ralsina, hahaha I'm not saying anything that happens in madrid :)
[13:49] <mandel> ralsina, dont worry too much hehehe
[13:49] <mandel> I'm not THAT bad!
[13:49] <dobey> ralsina: drink you under the table, like a bawse?
[13:50] <ralsina> dobey: no comments
[13:50] <mandel> ralsina, oh, you mean this channel, right?
[13:50] <dobey> mandel: obviously :)
[13:51] <mandel> hehe
[13:51] <ralsina> exactly
[13:51] <mandel> ralsina, ut I've been behaving very well lately, no sweare words no nothing
[13:51] <mandel> twitter might be a diff story :P
[13:52] <ralsina> ok, let's keep it that way and let's go back to coding ;-)
[13:52] <dobey> voltaire isn't in that song though
[14:37] <gatox> alecu, i have in my power the blu-rays of Battlestar Galactica! my purchase has arrived! :D
[14:37] <alecu> gatox, coool!
[14:37] <alecu> gatox, now you need the bluray player, right? :-)
[14:37] <gatox> alecu, i already have it :D
[14:38] <alecu> gatox, is it a stand-alone or one for the computer?
[14:38] <gatox> alecu, stand alone
[14:44] <alecu> gatox, mandel wants to play BSG during the sprint...
[14:45] <alecu> gatox, are you staying any more days after the sprint?
[14:46] <alecu> gatox, if not, then let's schedule a game for wed or thu aftersprint in my house.
[14:46] <gatox> alecu, i'm leaving at saturday night..... i want to play too!! or i need to stay more?  :P
[14:48] <gatox> mandel, at the hotel?? i'll pay the extra day
[14:49] <mandel> gatox, seems reasonable.. I'll do the same :)
[14:51] <alecu> gatox, mandel: then make sure to share the room, so you can split the difference!
[14:52] <mandel> gatox, true!
[14:52] <gatox> alecu, good idea
[14:52] <alecu> gatox, mandel: and probably the company should cover the friday night, so you don't really need to pay the extra day.
[14:59] <dobey> lunch and errands. bbiab
[15:16] <ralsina> errands and lunch, will be back!
[15:19] <mandel> dobey,  sudo apt-get build-dep ubuntuone-control-panel should install PyQt4, right?
[15:26] <mandel> dobey, as well as ubutuone-dev-tools?
[15:33] <dobey> mandel: yes
[15:37] <mandel> dobey, so where do I file a bug?
[15:39] <dobey> mandel: depends. what's the problem?
[15:40] <mandel> dobey, I have a new machine, used that apt-get command for the ubuntuone-control-panel package and did not get the PyQt4 libs
[15:40] <dobey> mandel: did you add the nightlies PPA deb/deb-src?
[15:41] <dobey> mandel: the ubuntu proper packages won't pull those in
[15:41] <dobey> (yet)
[15:41] <mandel> dobey, oh.. I did not, sorry
[15:44] <gatox> lunchhhh!
[15:50] <mandel> dobey, I forgot waht pacakage was needed to install so that the gtk gui tests did not show the actual windows, which one is it?
[15:52] <dobey> mandel: xvfb
[15:55] <mandel> dobey, thx
[16:43] <mandel> alecu, gatox can I have reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/auto-update-functions/+merge/80237
[16:43] <mandel> and with that EOD for me, catch you all tom!
[16:44] <gatox> mandel, ok!1
[16:44] <gatox> bye
[16:58] <dobey> hmm
[17:07] <gatox> mandel, just a little fix it's needed in your branch
[17:19] <gatox> brb
[18:07] <gatox> eod.... i'll stay connectedd if someoone needs anything
[18:08] <ralsina> bye gatox!
[18:08] <ralsina> happy ninja-izing! (yes, we all know what you do!)
[18:09] <gatox> ralsina, jejeje i have tto rest for a while first :P
[18:18] <nessita> hello crowd!
[18:18] <dobey> hola nessita
[18:19] <nessita> how's it going dobey?
[18:19] <ralsina> hi nessita
[18:20] <nessita> hi ralsina
[18:20] <ralsina> how was the trip?
[18:21] <dobey> nessita: meh. git is annoying, and amazon won't let me give them money :P
[18:21] <nessita> ok, is official, internet at the hotel sucks ;-)
[18:22] <nessita> ralsina: how are things going?
[18:22] <ralsina> nessita: boring
[18:22] <ralsina> nessita: I am doing paperwork, mostly
[18:23] <nessita> ralsina: ok, I'm about to drop dead from the tiredness and sleepiness... I will catch up with emails and then probably sleep
[18:23] <ralsina> nessita: trip preparations, trying to get construction workers out of my house before I leave, not a single enjoyable thing done in like 3 days
[18:23] <ralsina> nessita: go rest and be readhy to catch the evil stuff in design sprint before it hits us :-)
[18:23] <nessita> ;-)
[18:25] <dobey> ralsina: don't lie! you trolled the christians! that was enjoyable! you twitted about how enjoyable it was even!
[18:26] <ralsina> dobey: not on working hours!
[18:26] <ralsina> dobey: but yes, that was the highlight of my week so far. So... not a good week ;-)
[18:26] <dobey> heh
[18:27] <dobey> i am trying to get a saxophone
[18:27] <dobey> but amazon won't let me checkout
[18:28] <ralsina> dobey: best saxophones are old, used saxophones. Go to a pawn shop
[18:31] <dobey> ralsina: but then i have to get up, and go find one
[18:32] <ralsina> dobey: but you can go in one of your cars
[18:32] <dobey> ralsina: yes. but i can use amazon *and* work at the same time :)
[18:32] <ralsina> dobey: ha
[18:32] <ralsina> dobey: we need to schedule our weekly 1-1
[18:32] <ralsina> dobey: what day is your favourite to talk on the phone
[18:33] <dobey> but if my boss wants me to go scour pawn shops for a saxophone, i can take a break ;)
[18:33] <ralsina> dobey: belay that
[18:33] <dobey> lol
[18:34] <dobey> ralsina: any day is fine as long it's after i'm actually awake, i think
[18:34] <ralsina> cool, I'll schedule it then
[18:37] <mandel> ralsina, ping
[18:38] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[18:38] <mandel> ralsina, we might want to move or 1-1 a little later since it will overlap with the new stadup time a little, right?
[18:38] <mandel> ralsina, by the one, you can know edit the event :)
[18:39] <ralsina> mandel: ok, I'll do it myself ;-)
[18:39] <mandel> ralsina, cool, then I'll get back to my books :)
[18:44] <nessita> ralsina: is alecu working today?
[18:44] <ralsina> nessita: he's supposed to, IIRC
[18:44] <nessita> mandel: ping
[18:44] <ralsina> nessita: he was here this morning
[18:45] <mandel> nessita, pong
[18:46] <mandel> nessita, tell me :)
[18:46] <nessita> mandel: I read most of the review comments, I will try to fix as much as I can... though some of the changes you requested are sort of functionality change that I would recommend filing a bug for that and doing in another branch. This branch, though huge, tries to stick to refactor only
[18:46] <nessita> mandel: would you be ok if I file some bugs for specific things instead of fixing in this branch?
[18:46] <mandel> nessita, ok, fix the ones you consider to be in this MP and leave the bugs for either of us :)
[18:47] <mandel> nessita, as long as we have the bug reports I'm fine with it :)
[18:47] <mandel> we SHOULD not forget, that is all hehe
[18:47] <nessita> mandel: makes sense, thanks! I'll reply the MP later or tomorrow, after I get some rest
[18:48] <mandel> nessita, sure, take you as much time as you need, I'll make sure I do a re-review once you push the changes :)
[18:48] <nessita> nice
[18:48] <mandel> nessita, see you laters, and you where missed today ;)
[18:48] <nessita> heh
[18:48] <mandel> everyone, I'm not here :P
[18:53] <mandel> gatox_nap_brb, ping?
[20:32] <duanedesign> mandel: do you know what this might be? http://ubuntuone.com/6y8hyU0hRosRMW0LqEoC6O
[20:47] <dobey> duanedesign: i think he's out getting into trouble in madrid :)
[20:52] <duanedesign> aha, sounds fun :)
[21:02] <nessita> duanedesign: I think I know, syncdaemon is not answering to the control panel requests
[21:02] <nessita> duanedesign: one possible situation: syncdaemon was killed because it was using too much memory
[21:17] <dobey> have a good evening all!
[21:17] <nessita> bye dobey
[21:23] <duanedesign> nessita: interesting. thanks
[21:24] <duanedesign> nessita: goiong to be in Orlando next week?
[21:24] <nessita> duanedesign: I'm in orlando already! landed a couple of hours ago
[21:25] <duanedesign> nessita: ahh! Are you guys having a sprint before UDS?
[21:25] <nessita> duanedesign: there's the sprint design going on
[21:25] <joshuahoover> duanedesign: nessita just didn't want to be late for uds ;)
[21:25] <nessita> lol
[21:25] <duanedesign> :)
[21:26] <duanedesign> haha, sounds like my dad. He is always an hour early for everything :)
[21:26]  * beuno is the same
[21:26] <duanedesign> he gets impatient waiting, so he just goes
[21:50] <manlymatt83> Anyone around?
[21:57] <duanedesign> hello mandel
[21:57] <duanedesign> oops
[21:57] <duanedesign> hello manlymatt83
[22:09] <manlymatt83> Where are the credentials for ubuntu one located?
[22:09] <manlymatt83> $HOME/.config/ubuntuone?
[22:11] <beuno> manlymatt83, they are in the gnome keyring
[22:29] <nessita> alecu: hey there!
[22:31] <manlymatt83> beuno: OK, thanks
[22:46] <duanedesign> thanks beuno I got distracted with tickets :)


[08:01] <henrix> rozie: hi! i've just commented bug #1492146 about a new kernel available in -proposed
[08:01] <henrix> rozie: it would be great if you could check if that kernel fixes the issue
[08:04] <rozie> gimme like... 15 minutes
[08:08] <henrix> rozie: awesome!  thanks ;)
[08:18] <rozie> henrix: can you give me direct link to packages? I see it's in the proposed, but would like to avoid adding repos
[08:26] <henrix> rozie: here's the links:
[08:26] <henrix> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lts-utopic/linux-image-3.16.0-49-generic_3.16.0-49.65~14.04.1_amd64.deb
[08:26] <henrix> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lts-utopic/linux-image-extra-3.16.0-49-generic_3.16.0-49.65~14.04.1_amd64.deb
[08:26] <henrix> rozie: not sure if at this moment you care about other packages (headers, for example)
[08:27] <rozie> thx. I dont care about headers. just got lost in complicated Ubuntu repo structure ;/
[08:28] <henrix> rozie: heh, no prob
[08:28] <rozie> just kidding, but got use to Debian, as it's my primary OS and Ubuntu is... different
[08:29] <rozie> but haven't found this kernel on packages.ubuntu...
[08:30] <rozie> anyway, rebooting...
[08:33] <rozie> looks fine at first glance, but let it work for 5 mins
[08:35] <henrix> rozie: sure, not in a rush.  I really want to make sure the bug is fixed ;)
[08:35] <apw> henrix, was that the wholesale revert ?
[08:36] <henrix> apw: yep
[08:36] <henrix> apw: 14 patches being revert
[08:36] <apw> ouch
[08:37] <apw> did the bug get shoved out of fix-released at the saem time ?
[08:38] <henrix> we'll need to take another look at these backports.  and... i'm not sure i changed it to 'triagged' again (although i remember i commented on the bug)
[08:38]  * henrix goes check
[08:39] <apw> henrix, thanks ... i'd not want that to get lost as a result
[08:40] <henrix> apw: no, iirc joe is currently working on that bug so he probably actually changed it back
[08:42] <rozie> 523 packets transmitted, 523 received, 0% packet loss, time 526808ms - looks fine :-)
[08:43] <henrix> rozie: awesome!  thanks for testing ;)
[08:44] <henrix> rozie: would you please add a comment to the bug, and change the 'verification-needed-trusty' to 'verification-done-trusty' tag?
[08:44] <henrix> rozie: (i can do that for you if you're busy)
[08:46] <rozie> already commented, pls change tag
[08:47] <henrix> rozie: cool, thanks
[08:47] <henrix> infinity: fyi ^^
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> Hi, I don't remember who handles the virtualbox kernel modules
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> but virtualbox 5.0.4 is out, claiming full compatibility with kernel 4.2
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> you might want to sync changes
[10:58] <apw> LocutusOfBorg1, sounds good, thanks
[10:58] <apw> LocutusOfBorg1, mostly i do for what it is worth
[13:30] <popey> Anyone noticed massive slowdown on 4.2? My desktop is pretty much unusable while doing IO
[13:31] <popey> 15s to open a terminal
[13:44] <tjaalton> i've noticed something similar, building a kernel and doing anything is very sluggish
[13:48] <cking> popey, I'll sort out some testing against 4.2 and see what's going on
[13:49] <cking> popey, what's your config in terms of system / CPUs/ HDD/SSDs etc
[13:51] <cking> and what kind of I/O are you doing?
[13:52] <rtg> tjaalton, you ought to be able to provide some numbers if you're doing builds.
[13:52] <rtg> that seems pretty deterministic
[13:54] <tjaalton> numbers?
[13:54] <popey> cking: i7 / one HDD (spinning rust) / 8GB RAM
[13:54] <tjaalton> I have ivybridge, 240GB ssd, but home is on btrfs..
[13:54] <popey> only thing it's doing is an rsync backup to another machine over gbe
[13:54] <tjaalton> kernel trees on ssd
[13:54] <popey> sandybridge cpu, ext4 filesystem
[13:54] <rtg> tjaalton, build times with 4.1 v.s. 4.2 ?
[13:55] <cking> why does my heart sink when btrfs is mentioned...
[13:55] <popey> backup seems to be chugging along, load average is 4.5
[13:55] <tjaalton> ah, well the build is fine I think, just that doing anything interactive at the same time is sluggish
[13:55] <popey> no btrfs here :)
[13:55] <tjaalton> cking: hehe
[13:56] <cking> ok, let me do ext4 first as that's our default ;-)
[13:56] <popey> thanks
[13:56] <cking> np
[13:56] <davmor2> cking: https://i2.wp.com/ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-10/7/19/enhanced/webdr05/anigif_original-grid-image-18241-1412725925-4.gif
[13:57] <cking> hrm
[14:00] <davmor2> cking: just visualising the the heart sinking :)
[14:00] <cking> ah, yes ;-)
[14:04] <tjaalton> more specifically, my $HOME is on a four-disk btrfs HDD RAID
[14:04] <tjaalton> raid10-ish
[15:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks apw
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> apw, where are the sources for the module?
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> here? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/linux.git
[15:15] <apw> LocutusOfBorg1, so we update the module directly from the binaries the dksm package produce
[15:15] <apw> though right now i assume we ahve it patched locally
[15:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> so you provide a .ko module?
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks
[15:16] <apw> yes
[15:16] <apw> but we need the real dkms package updated, which i htink was what you were telling me i hsould (and will) do
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> I thought you were copy-pasting the sources in the kernel tree and providing a build during install :)
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> exactly, I guess this is the best way to do
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> like we do with vbox-dkms
[15:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> having them inside the kernel is really awesome :)
[15:18] <apw> we are indeed pasting in the sources, but i do that from the result of the virtualbox package making the source for the dkms package
[15:18] <apw> if any of that makes any sense
[15:18] <apw> yeah needed for some clouds apparently
[15:46] <cking> popey, i've kicked of a range of file systems tests, i'll get back to you once they are complete (probably next week)
[15:46] <cking> s/of/off
[15:48] <popey> cking: super, thanks
[18:59] <rul_> Hi. Old kernels aren't being autoremoved despite being marked as auto and not being in "APT::NeverAutoRemove"... any hint on how can I debug this issue?
[19:03] <rul_> debugging autoremove I can see this lines
[19:03] <rul_> Following dep: systemtap:amd64 2.3-1ubuntu1 Suggests linux-image:amd64 , provided by linux-image-3.2.0-59-generic:amd64 3.2.0-59.90Marking: linux-image-3.2.0-59-generic:amd64 3.2.0-59.90, Curr=3.2.0-59.90, Inst=3.2.0-59.90
[19:04] <rul_> it's like the old kernel aren't removed because they're suggested by systemap
[19:07] <apw> those all do provides:linux-image .... infinity ^
[19:12] <infinity> apw: systemtap's dep is bogus.
[19:12] <infinity> "we recommend you have a kernel installed" is about the most useless dep I can think of.
[19:12] <infinity> "Depends: computer".
[19:12] <apw> yeah it cirtainly is ...
[19:12] <apw> ok so we should get that ripped
[19:13] <apw> rul_, can you file a bug against systemtap please and tell me the number
[19:13] <infinity> rul_: To confirm, if you remove systemtap, do kernels autoremove happily afterward?
[19:16] <infinity> apw: It's also possible that our provides is a bit overzealous there, and we should be providing virtuals like linux-image and linux-headers from the metapackages instead of the real packages.
[19:16] <infinity> apw: But can't go back in time and fix all the old kernels to do that.
[19:20] <apw> infinity, moving the provides to the to the meta-pacakge is an interesting idea
[19:23] <infinity> apw: It would get us the behaviour we'd prefer if something did depend on one of those virtuals.  We don't want a one-off ABI-versioned package installed, we want the meta, so people actually get upgrades.
[19:23] <apw> infinity, yes, seems appropriate
[19:23] <infinity> apw: (I still think it's a bug for anything to depend on the virtuals anyway, but some stuff from Debian does, and it's not worth the delta to fix them all)
[19:24] <apw> when rul_ gives me his bug, i'll file one off that for linux/etc to move them
[19:24] <infinity> apw: Anyhow, only something we could fix for >= wily, since stable releases have tons of kernels with the provides already baked in.
[19:31] <apw> infinity, right get it fixed before the next lts
[20:27] <rul_> yup, I've marked systemtap package as auto and suddenly all old kernels can be autoremoved
[20:27] <rul_> filling the bug
[20:45] <rul_> #1494481
[20:47] <apw> bug #1494481