[00:00] <JollySpam> KMO2O1: oops sorry
[00:00] <devinus> Menno: why would noexec be bad for /var/tmp?
[00:00] <tridentfish> For me yeah I would rather code and I stink at it. lol
[00:00] <Menno> "On GNOME, you can also directly open the virtual folder fonts:/ (within a Nautilus window, choose Go -> Location or press Ctrl+L) and drag and drop fonts into this folder"
[00:00] <Menno> devinus: I can think of a few examples of programs that generate temp files they expect to execute
[00:00] <devinus> hrm
[00:00] <Menno> Oracle installer maybe.
[00:00] <Menno> Dunno, give it a try and see what happens.
[00:00] <zyltoid> is the flash plugin from the default repos 64bit?
[00:00] <Menno> nosuid seems safe.
[00:00] <devinus> Menno: another question, where is nosuid actually useful for?
[00:01] <Menno> when inserting untrusted media
[00:01] <devinus> what does suid do?
[00:01] <Menno> if a non-root user can insert media which is exec and not nosuid, they can gain root.
[00:01] <Menno> setuid programs run as the user (and group, if setgid) that owns the file.
[00:01] <Menno> The most obvious example of such a program is /usr/bin/sudo
[00:02] <devinus> Menno: okay, so i want suid on e.g. /home if i have stuff in my ~/bin right?
[00:03] <captine> hi all.  I am still struggling with my wifi that keeps dropping me (broadcom) on 12.04.  Have just disabled IPV6 after which my connection came back... not sure if that could be linked?  How can i check
[00:04] <captine> the wifi stays connected, but cannot ping anything or view websites
[00:04] <captine> will see how long i stay connected now with IPV6 disable
[00:04] <MirkoKa> devinus: NO! you do not want suid! suid is a bad but nesesarry method to run programs as root by normal users, programs like sudo, passwd, X, etc. suid are absolute exceptions
[00:04] <devinus> ah
[00:05] <devinus> one very last question
[00:05] <devinus> noexec on /boot
[00:05] <devinus> does that make sense?
[00:05] <devinus> i mean, isn't the kernel being "executed" ?
[00:06] <MirkoKa> devinus: not by the kernel ;-) all permission checks are done by the kernel, so the kernel isn't executed in terms of user permissions.
[00:07] <devinus> ah okay
[00:07] <devinus> great thanks
[00:07] <Menno> devinus: setuid on a directory has no meaning, and setgid means folders created in it will inherit the parent folder's group instead of the user's group by default.
[00:07] <Menno> you shouldn't need setuid binaries in ~/bin
[00:07] <Menno> try to use sudo instead, and keep setuid binaries either managed by the package manager, or isolate 'em to /usr/local/bin.
[00:16] <pencilpenpen> hello
[00:17] <pencilpenpen> i was using drag-n-drop to copy a lot of files to a windows computer.
[00:17] <pencilpenpen> after a few files it failed and asked if i wanted to skip
[00:17] <pencilpenpen> i hit 'retry' several times but it didnt work
[00:18] <pencilpenpen> i tried the copy again and it said it failed due to invalid arguments
[00:18] <pencilpenpen> i rebooted my computer and now the windows machine is not visible on the network
[00:18] <L3top> !enter | pencilpenpen
[00:18] <pencilpenpen> sorry
[00:19] <pencilpenpen> i would appreciate any advice on how to reconnect to the computer and transfer the files
[00:19] <peter_c> im trying to configure a static ip, and google tells me to edit file /etc/network/interfaces, but theres no such file. anyone know which file to edit?
[00:19] <Bsims> pencilpenpen: reboot teh windows machine... wait a bit then reboot your linux machine?
[00:19] <L3top> It sounds like your windows machine dropped from the network during the transfer... but hard to say for sure.
[00:20] <L3top> peter_c: you should definitely have an /etc/network/interfaces file.
[00:20] <peter_c> crap nevermind, im using centOS
[00:20] <peter_c> :(
[00:21] <pencilpenpen> i am sure it is still on the network, i can see a webpage it is serving.
[00:22] <whoever> what is the security app name, it begins with an "a" that ships with ubuntu and prevents some system changes
[00:22] <barberan> hi
[00:23] <Jimu> so i'm upgrading my laptop, i torrented the alternate cd, following the ubuntu.com directions, and i've mounted the iso, but it isn't allowing me to run the upgrade
[00:24] <MirkoKa> peter_c:  then see /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/* but the NetworkManager shoudl work in both cases
[00:24] <MirkoKa> whoever: appamor?
[00:24] <Jimu> oh wait...  i'm an idiot, it's working
[00:25] <spaceneedle> I just clicked clicked properties for an mp4 file and up pops a window that says:creating a properties window and that I can cancel the operation by clicking cancel. But nothing happens!
[00:25] <MirkoKa> whoever:  apparmor I mean
[00:25] <jellow> smcgrath:
[00:25] <DarwinSurvivor> pencilpenpen: that doesn't mean the file-sharing application on the windows machine didn't crash or something
[00:26] <jellow> spaceneedle: you can use xkill , then click on the offending window
[00:26] <DarwinSurvivor> pencilpenpen: unless you can verify that the shared folder is still visible to other computers, REBOOT it
[00:26] <Bsims> yeah uptime is bragging rights... it works is better
[00:26] <pencilpenpen> it might take a while to get permission to reboot it, but i'll try it. thanks
[00:26] <DarwinSurvivor> pencilpenpen: is it not your machine?
[00:27] <Bsims> pencilpenpen: heh restart the networking daemon?
[00:27] <pencilpenpen> it is not my machine
[00:27] <scroogemcduk> Hi I was wondering if anyone has ever developed c++/tk on ubuntu?
[00:27] <netsmith2012> Greetings earthlings
[00:27] <netsmith2012> Is this ubuntu land ?
[00:27] <Bsims> pencilpenpen: if its not your machine kick it upstairs
[00:28] <scroogemcduk> One of its dependencies is the X11 header files, and I am having trouble trying to find those, does anyone know where that is?
[00:29] <DarwinSurvivor> !headers
[00:29] <Bsims> scroogemcduk: install the X11 dev packages
[00:29] <MirkoKa> netsmith2012: no, as the channel name suggest this is the #windows-vista-on-the-mac-phone land. ;) SCNR you have a question?
[00:29] <DarwinSurvivor> hmm, wrong headers :(
[00:29] <DarwinSurvivor> !x11 headers
[00:29] <Bsims> headers are seperate for packages for reasons that were valid when drives where small
[00:29] <netsmith2012> I have a simple question about Ubuntu. I am just checking it out at the web site for the first time.
[00:30] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: try libx11-dev
[00:30] <Samwan> hi guys. Now i researched for about a few weeks but there seems to be no solution. I have different graphic cards inside my PC cause I have 3 screens and no money for 2 high end cards... so I have an AMD HD 4670 and an HD 7750, is there any way to use both at the same time?
[00:30] <MirkoKa> netsmith2012: so ask your question
[00:30] <DarwinSurvivor> he's gone, sorry scott__
[00:30] <pencilpenpen> i think the problem is my computer. there is another linux computer on the network with a shared folder and I can not see it. however I can see the network printer.
[00:31] <netsmith2012> Question: Does Ubuntu include it's own Linux implementation besides it's own GUI user interface.
[00:32] <DarwinSurvivor> !kernel
[00:32] <MirkoKa> netsmith2012: Ubuntu is a Linux distribution (a compination of the Linux kernel and other applications)
[00:32] <Steve132> I can't seem to find the 'advanced' tab in the new installer
[00:32] <DarwinSurvivor> netsmith2012: I believe ubuntu may apply some patches, but they should be listed at the above URL
[00:32] <tedryder> I put this Ubuntu application on my laptop and now I can't find Internet Explorer
[00:32] <Steve132> that used to be there...is there a way to control how the installer installs grub any more?
[00:32] <DarwinSurvivor> netsmith2012: and they definitely supply additional modules
[00:32] <MirkoKa> netsmith2012: in other words, Ubuntu *IS* a Linux system
[00:32] <Steve132> That is necessary for certain installs, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation#Mac_OSX.2C_Vista.2C_and_Ubuntu
[00:33] <tertitten> I've recently built a distro/respin of openSUSE, i'm starting to regret using it as base, so for building a distro based on ubuntu what tools do anyone that has done it before recommend ? UCK, Remastersys?
[00:33] <Bsims> netsmith2012: no linux is pretty much linux
[00:33] <DarwinSurvivor> tedryder: ubuntu is not an application, it is an entire operating system. It will either replace your windows installation or allow you to pick between the 2 at install time
[00:33] <DarwinSurvivor> tedryder: if you are simply looking for a web browser, use firefox, it is installed by default in ubuntu
[00:33] <tedryder> Lol...just joking.
[00:34] <Fyodorovna> Steve132, the custom install is still there it is called other in the gui of choosing the install placement
[00:34] <Bsims> netsmith2012: there are three main paths apt, rpm and build from source... they all work the same, diference is in package manager
[00:34] <wedgie> tedryder: so you DID fine internet explorer? :O
[00:34] <tedryder> Seriously though...12.04 is awesome!  I may stop using Windows now.
[00:34] <DarwinSurvivor> tedryder: had a feeling. If you DO want IE though, it can be run in wine :P
[00:34] <deww> Samwan: i havent used amd/ati cards before, but i know it can be done. my coworkers have done it, but we use nvidia
[00:34] <Steve132> Got a screenshot of this?  I can't seem to find it
[00:34] <danmackay> unity still sucks and will forever suck :P
[00:34] <Steve132> Fyodorovna: got a screenshot?
[00:34] <DarwinSurvivor> tedryder: i've actually DONE that for some web-dev work before :(
[00:34] <tedryder> I didn't like Unity before but for some reason, I'm really liking it now--seems  more polished.
[00:35]  * Bsims used unity long enough to install kde and wmaker
[00:35] <Jordan_U> Steve132: Note however that grub's boot sector should *always* be installed to the MBR.
[00:35] <DarwinSurvivor> tedryder: fyi most users that don't know linux doesn't have IE would never find irc...
[00:35] <tedryder> lol
[00:35] <Steve132> Jordan_U: doesn't that run counter to what that install guide says?
[00:35] <Bsims> netsmith2012: the other differences are basicaly theological in nature
[00:35] <Samwan> deww, on my workplace I use nvidia aswell, the nvidia drivers implement this option, at home I have AMD, so this option is not there inside the driver. Inside windows it can be done, but I thought there might be some dirty workaround under linux cause I can't be the only one to use 3 screens with 2 different AMD cards on this world
[00:35] <tedryder> Nothing wrong with that.  I still can't program in C.  We all know different things.
[00:35] <MirkoKa> danmackay: please don't spam this channel with "i hate unity" messages (i don't like it too). complain to canonical, we can do pretty much nothign about it. thanks
[00:36] <Chax> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 with 3 gigs of RAM and having some problems, could that be why?
[00:36] <Jordan_U> Steve132: If it does it's only because that install guide is wrong.
[00:36] <Steve132> The reason for it is that macs can't handle MBR correctly
[00:36] <Bsims> Chax: no... what video card/cpu do you use? and what problems are you having?
[00:36] <Steve132> they need refit
[00:37] <tedryder> I do have a silly question though.  Can I get a system monitor near the clock at the top right?
[00:37] <DarwinSurvivor> Chax: 3GB of ram is more than sufficient to run any pre-installed software on ubuntu. the only software requiring more would be audio/video editing software and rendering applications
[00:37] <ox1de> i keep getting a blank window called "debconf" what is it?
[00:37] <DarwinSurvivor> tedryder: not sure about unity, bug gnome-shell has extensions that do that
[00:37] <Chax> Bsims: I am running an NVidia card, 512mb, but I can't find the information on it in system settings. I am just having freezing problems occasionally. It says my graphics is UNKNOWN.
[00:38] <Bsims> Chax: and did you install the nvida drivers?
[00:38] <Jordan_U> Steve132: rEFIt is not stored in the MBR, it's an EFI application.
[00:38] <tedryder> Thanks
[00:38] <Chax> Bsims: It updated video drivers after the install.
[00:38] <Fyodorovna> Steve132, Something other is the one. http://imagebin.org/210423
[00:38] <Sample> according to the command `top` is anyone else seeing their compiz CPU usage above like, 4% ?
[00:39] <Bsims> Chax: do glxinfo|less for me would you and msg me the results
[00:39] <tedryder> Also, I have an AMD graphics card and the proprietary drivers are installed but for some reason the AMD Control Software won't start.
[00:39] <MirkoKa> ox1de: a terminal window. happens seldomly for some packages which require info from you or an approvement for some non-free license. if it doesn't diappear after some time, what text do you see in it=
[00:40] <ox1de> it was blank grew
[00:40] <ox1de> grey
[00:40] <DarwinSurvivor> Sample: that's not uncommon. if it hits 10% you may have an issue (depending on how powerful your CPU is of course)
[00:40] <ox1de> it dissappears right away
[00:40] <gimpy15> I installed 12.04 as an attempt to use Ubuntu after jumping ship to Debian in 10.04.  I'm having nothing but problems.  How do i get Ubuntu to stop logging errors to the console?  I killed rsyslogd and it still spits out errors to the console I'm trying to work on!
[00:40] <PhlowHome> My laptop screen goes blank when I close the lid and reopen, any known fix?
[00:40] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: to stop errors from appearing, fix the errors :D
[00:40] <MirkoKa> ox1de: so don't bother, all fine
[00:41] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: They come up every couple seconds, I can't even work on them!
[00:41] <ox1de> ok
[00:41] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: also, errors are only dumped to TTY1, if you need to use a recovery console, use TTY2-9
[00:42] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: hit CTRL+ALT+F2 for a clean terminal
[00:42] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Nope, errors on TTY2 too.
[00:42] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: really? what are they?
[00:42] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: the only errors you should see on TT2 are errors caused by bash and your login (system errors all go to TTY1)
[00:42] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: have you added anything to .bashrc, .bash_profile, etc?
[00:42] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: " [345.354] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed" and then just one about "Assuming drive cache: Write through"
[00:42] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Nope.  Still trying to get LXDE to even start.
[00:43] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: so this is a clean install with a clean home folder?
[00:43] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Other than installing lubuntu-desktop, yes....but my /home is encrypted (by whatever method the installer does it).
[00:44] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: ok, just trying to rule out old debian settings/etc that may be still in there.
[00:44] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Nope, formatted everything.
[00:44] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: did you live-cd run correctly?
[00:45] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Didn't use the live-cd.  I installed from the server CD since i want LVM.
[00:46] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: I've had this laptop for a year and I've yet to find a distro that is lightwieght and wireless works correctly.
[00:46] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: ok, 2 things to try: First see if the live-cd boots ok, then also run the "check this disk for errors" on the disk that you installed with to rule out a bad download/burn
[00:47] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: I've seen many people spend a week trying to fix an install only to find out the install disk was bad :(
[00:47] <Surlent777> I've found a really weird issue: as of upgrading to 12.04, I've noticed Firefox refuses to allow me to customize toolbars, period. The cursor changes into a hand, but click operations aren't recognized, much less dragging. Any advice?
[00:47] <jellow> can I dd an .iso to a usb ?
[00:47] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: md5sum matched for the burned disk, it's fine.
[00:48] <DarwinSurvivor> Surlent777: I've seen that before. Run firefox with a clean profile and see if the issue goes away
[00:48] <Surlent777> DarwinSurvivor: will do, one moment
[00:48] <MirkoKa> jellow: no, completely different device formats
[00:48] <Fyodorovna> jellow, the release yes not sure when this started. :)
[00:48] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: I just want this error to go away to I can work, do you have any idea what prints it?  What daemon I can turn off?
[00:48] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: ok, see if the live-cd works. if it doesn't there may be some incompatible or possibly broken hardware
[00:49] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: It's not a hardware issue.  I've seen this same issue on other machines and it's fine.  I just want it to stop bitching at me.
[00:49] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: it mentioned sdb, if you have a 2nd harddrive of a usb-drive or flash-card reader installed, unplug it
[00:50] <sront> heyho: my sources.list seems to be broken cuz of a malformed line somewhere. so my sources cant be read. any way to fix that?
[00:50] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: There is no second drive.  Every distro showed an sdb on this though.
[00:51] <KM0201> sront: pastebin your  /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:51] <OerHeks> gimpy15, sound lika a LVM issue then?
[00:51] <KM0201> !pastebin | sront
[00:51] <Surlent777> DarwinSurvivor: you guessed correctly. Suppose I'll have to rebuild it piece-by-piece until it works
[00:51] <gimpy15> OerHeks: LVM lies above the devices.  It certainly would not create a magical sdb.
[00:51] <jellow> MirkoKa: do I need and parameters with dd?
[00:52] <Surlent777> DarwinSurvivor: thanks for pointing me in the right direction, at least
[00:52] <DarwinSurvivor> spicyWith: also pastebin the *exact* error message(s) you are getting
[00:53] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: if there is a flash-card reader, that will sometimes show up as sdb
[00:53] <rxerla> q
[00:53] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Could be in, but it's empty.  I couldn't care less about the meaningless error, I just want to to stop clogging up my terminal.
[00:54] <MirkoKa> jellow: no, it's really not possible. you only can dd an image (cd, dvd, usb, floppy, hdd, etc)  to an exactly fittting target device. not to  mention, that a usb disk/stick and a cd/dvd are booted differently. what are you trying to do?
[00:54] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: pastebin lsmod. if we can remove the module that loads the reader, it may get rid of the messages
[00:54] <SolarisBoy> is it trying to read it as a lvm volume?
[00:55] <DarwinSurvivor> !usbinstall | jellow
[00:55] <DarwinSurvivor> arg
[00:55] <lauratika> i cant change background picture at login. itry lightdm and changes wont stay.when i run in terminal lightdm it says Failed to use bus name org.freedesktop.DisplayManager, do you have appropriate permissions?
[00:55] <DarwinSurvivor> jellow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[00:56] <sront> ah, i produced a typo while copy pasting. ty KM0201
[00:56] <hwq001> help !! tar: This does not look like a tar archive http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11892931#post11892931
[00:57] <KM0201> sront: np :)
[00:57] <jellow> MirkoKa: I was going to use a usb as a live cd I thought is was possible I've done it with .img though they were netboots
[00:57] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: you can do the file command and the file as an argument and confirm
[00:58] <hwq001> :solarisboy could you explain  details??
[00:59] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: http://dpaste.com/740582/
[00:59] <DarwinSurvivor> jellow follow the link I posted!
[00:59] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: file <filename>
[00:59] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: it will tell you what type of file it is.
[01:00] <labyrinth> Hi, I'm setting up a 12.04 mirror for my community (school). This is the first time I've been a sysadmin for Linux for more than myself. I'm having trouble understanding how to apt-mirror the ubuntu-releases just for pangolin
[01:00] <SolarisBoy> you may need a differeent tool to read it depending on what it is.
[01:00] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: try rmmoding the usb_storage one
[01:00] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: also try the bluetooth one
[01:01] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: file command output says it is data
[01:01] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: bluetooth has deps which are in use
[01:01] <SolarisBoy> then its probably not for tar
[01:01] <SolarisBoy> if it were a tar archive it would say something similar to that.
[01:01] <anon_inFLuX> NOM.NOM.NOM.
[01:01] <ulkesh_> jellow, what OS are you using right now?
[01:01] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Aren't these messages just going through syslog?
[01:01] <SolarisBoy> if it's data it is probably binary data or something hwq001
[01:02] <Buduk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1970092 << Care to assist ?
[01:02] <SolarisBoy> so tar wouldn't be the correct tool to extract/view it
[01:02] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: I can't extract it any more ?
[01:02] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: probably
[01:02] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: a better question is how was it created?
[01:02] <DarwinSurvivor> labyrinth: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Rsyncmirror ?
[01:02] <SolarisBoy> you piped the output of tar to split
[01:02] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: So I stopped rsyslog, what else does Ubuntu 12.04 have?
[01:03] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: I run " tar cvpf - somedir | split -b 50000m "
[01:03] <anon_inFLuX> who took my name inFLuX???????????????????????????????????
[01:03] <hwq001> created it
[01:03] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: thats not creating a file
[01:03] <anon_inFLuX> touch
[01:03] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: I'm not super familiar with ubuntu's logging system, but you could try searching for the error in /var/log and see which log they are ending up in
[01:03] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: the rest of the command would be to take stdout and put it in a file
[01:03] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: I would still *highly* recommend seeing if the live-cd boots
[01:03] <lauratika> anyone knows where the image for lightdm wallpaper is stored?
[01:04] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/tar-split-question-605013/ || example: 'tar -cvpj 'directory/name'/ | split -d -b 4000m - /name/of/archive.tar.bz2'
[01:04] <hwq001> SolarisBoy:  so ,is there any way to get it back be a folder?
[01:04] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: afaik you never removed the folder,, did you?
[01:04] <labyrinth> Darwin: yes, but I'm using apt-mirror. We have to be very choosy with what we mirror because there is no fiber optic to this island, so several hundred people share a 1.5mbps connection
[01:04] <SolarisBoy> you just created some odd data froma failed attempt at tarring it
[01:04] <gimpy15> DarwinSurvivor: Just in /var/log/syslog.  Why?  If a clean install is failing how would a live boot do any better?
[01:05] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: I need to re-compress the folder?
[01:05] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: you need to do whatever it is you were previously trying to properly so it creates the tar.gz file
[01:05] <anon_inFLuX> @hwq001  use touch on the file
[01:05] <SolarisBoy> as stated your missing a piece of the command
[01:06] <SolarisBoy> why would touching the file do something?
[01:06] <SolarisBoy> other than updating the modification time?
[01:06] <anon_inFLuX> info about it
[01:06] <SolarisBoy> dought it
[01:06] <gaelfx> how do you stop software center from showing all these useless "magazines" I never wanted to see?
[01:06] <SolarisBoy> touch wont turn a data file to a tar archive
[01:06] <anon_inFLuX> also modification
[01:06] <SolarisBoy> again what does that have to do with tar opening a data file?
[01:06] <SolarisBoy> and not a tar file?
[01:07] <anon_inFLuX> what is the full issue
[01:07] <SolarisBoy> tab up
[01:07] <SolarisBoy> hes not using 'tar -cvpj 'directory/name'/ | split -d -b 4000m - /name/of/archive.tar.bz2'
[01:07] <nhrfiport> Need help, after attempting to update to 12.04, I got bsod at some point. My machine could not reboot after that point
[01:07] <SolarisBoy> hes breaking the command and creating something thats _not_ a tar archive
[01:07] <SolarisBoy> and then using tar to read it
[01:07] <SolarisBoy> is the issue
[01:08] <nhrfiport> I logged in to recovery mode and can at least login no
[01:08] <hwq001> aSolarisBoy:  how can I do next step :(
[01:08] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: did you remove the folder you are using in that argument to tar?
[01:08] <SolarisBoy> if not as stated, run the command correctly
[01:08] <DarwinSurvivor> gimpy15: it's to rule out a few issues. if the live-cd won't work either, then there may be something *fundamentally* wong. if it DOES work, than it may be a bad install or something
[01:08] <SolarisBoy> i provided an example
[01:08] <nhrfiport> but its in gnome desktop
[01:08] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: I didn't remove it
[01:08] <SolarisBoy> ok
[01:08] <SolarisBoy> do it again
[01:08] <SolarisBoy> correctly
[01:08] <FloodBot1> SolarisBoy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:08] <gaelfx> haha, fundamentally wong
[01:09] <SolarisBoy> sorry
[01:09] <anon_inFLuX> what ubuntu version is it
[01:09] <hwq001> SolarisBoy:  I spent 10 hours to compress the folder and spent 10 hours to transfer to new server
[01:09] <anon_inFLuX> ???
[01:09] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: you did it wrong
[01:09] <gaelfx> anon_inFLuX: what ubuntu version is what?
[01:09] <ThePendulum> Hmpf, my cursor has disappeared
[01:09] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: do it again correctly
[01:10] <anon_inFLuX> what release version is hwq001 useing
[01:10] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: apt-mirror is working great for the archive mirror, but I also want to mirror the cd isos, and I only want precise pangolin for now
[01:10] <SolarisBoy> why does that matter?
[01:11] <SolarisBoy> hes not using the command he is running correctly based on the link he posted
[01:11] <gaelfx> !who > anon_inFLuX
[01:11] <SolarisBoy> 'tar cvpf - somedir | split -b 50000m'
[01:11] <DarwinSurvivor> labyrinth: if the connection is slow and you can handle being 1-2 days behind, why not sneaker-net the updates over?
[01:11] <SolarisBoy> he needs to finish the command thats all
[01:11] <ThePendulum> How do I switch accounts using just the keyboard?
[01:12] <MirkoKa> ThePendulum: sudo ?
[01:12] <hwq001> SolarisBoy:ok ,I have to do it again. thanks for your help
[01:12] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: correct
[01:12] <ThePendulum> MirkoKa: Sudo what?
[01:12] <DarwinSurvivor> ThePendulum: try the different TTY terminals, one of them should be lightdm (CTRL+ALT+F#)
[01:12] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: just review the command properly before you do it..
[01:12] <Ben64> hwq001: why not use rsync or similar
[01:12] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: maybe test it on a smaller directory first to make sure it works as expected?
[01:12] <SolarisBoy> then you wont have a big bust at the end if it doesn't
[01:12] <ThePendulum> DarwinSurvivor: Didn't know one of them is LightDM, TIL, thanks!
[01:13] <ThePendulum> Strange
[01:13] <ThePendulum> The cursor works on any account but mine, and the touchpad is turned on
[01:13] <hwq001> Ben64: my data is 400G,too large
[01:13] <hwq001> Ben64:and all of them are images
[01:13] <Ben64> hwq001: thats not too large for rsync
[01:13] <MirkoKa> ThePendulum: are you talking about running programs as another user or to completely login as another user (like the switch user facility)?
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> Ben64: bzip has a higher compression rate in general also
[01:14] <anon_inFLuX> what is in it??? 400gb of porn?? hahaha
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> woops
[01:14] <DarwinSurvivor> ThePendulum: just remember that switching like that does NOT automatically lock the first login
[01:14] <Ben64> can't really compress jpg with bzip
[01:14] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: To be honest, we actually have a 2nd 1.5mbps connection I can dedicate toward downloads without disrupting people much. There's a lot of people looking forward to ditching M$ here, so they're happy to sacrifice a bit of speed to have a shared repo
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> i meant hwq001 Ben64 sorry
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> oh its pics?
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> pron?
[01:14] <SolarisBoy> jeepers
[01:14] <Ben64> rsync can do compression during transfer too
[01:14] <anon_inFLuX> lol
[01:14] <anon_inFLuX> 400gb
[01:14] <ThePendulum> DarwinSurvivor: I noticed. All I care for now is getting my cursor to work, lol
[01:15] <Ben64> saves time, and resumable
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> yes it can
[01:15] <gaelfx> !enter
[01:15] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: not pron but manga
[01:15] <ThePendulum> DarwinSurvivor: I'm the only user awake at all anyway, hehe
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: haha good one
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> so .. its pron...
[01:15] <gaelfx> !language | everyone
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> my bad
[01:15] <easypie> i see thinkpad laptop support on ubuntu hardware certified page but for 32bits. is there support for 64bit? because doesn't 32bit restrict to using less than 4gb on laptops?
[01:15] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: it is not porn,I hate adult content
[01:15] <SolarisBoy> right...
[01:15] <gimpy15> Mango pron?
[01:15] <anon_inFLuX> lmao
[01:15] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: I'm just a bit confused about doing cd mirror. Here's one of the bad lines from /etc/apt/mirror.list - deb-i386 http://ubuntu.idrepo.or.id/ubuntu-releases precise
[01:16] <LinuxMonkey> gimpy15, tasty
[01:16] <Ben64> anyway, rsync will transfer a large amount of data in an efficient manner, hwq001
[01:16] <SolarisBoy> it will
[01:16] <SolarisBoy> but he wants to compress it no?
[01:16] <SolarisBoy> not transfer it
 SolarisBoy:  I spent 10 hours to compress the folder and spent 10 hours to transfer to new server
[01:16] <SolarisBoy> oh
[01:16] <SolarisBoy> my bad
[01:16] <SolarisBoy> ++rsync
[01:17] <hwq001> Ben64: because they are all images,if I transfer them directly,it will be very slow,implement each images
[01:17] <ThePendulum> Is there a way to 'reset' the cursor?
[01:17] <Ben64> hwq001: seriously. rsync.
[01:17] <SolarisBoy> hwq001: make sure to use --partial...
[01:17] <SolarisBoy> just in case..
[01:17] <Guest19055> I have an odd question. I am currently running an install of Debian Squeeze. If I wanted to chnage to Ubuntu, would it be possible to just change my sources list?
[01:17] <hwq001> If I use resync it will spend 4 days
[01:17] <SolarisBoy> is the transfer going across the internet?
[01:17] <Jordan_U> Guest19055: NO.
[01:18] <SolarisBoy> if its local there is no reason it should take 4 days unless you have like copper connections at home or something
[01:18] <hwq001> SolarisBoy: yes old canada server to new usa server
[01:18] <SolarisBoy> oh.. well.. heh
[01:18] <Jordan_U> Guest19055: You'd need to re-install.
[01:18] <SolarisBoy> compress is best you can do.. i think you can turn up the compression level.. but its a tradeoff...cpu/network
[01:18] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: The error I got was "http://ubuntu.idrepo.or.id/ubuntu-releases//precise/Sources.gz could not be opened..." The double slash looks fishy to me
[01:18] <Ben64> should take about 11hrs
[01:18] <Ben64> 400GB / 100mbit
[01:18] <SolarisBoy> well
[01:19] <SolarisBoy> assuming you ever really got that type of throughput -
[01:19] <Ben64> i do on my servers
[01:19] <SolarisBoy> does he?
[01:19] <hwq001> Ben64  only 10m for incoming ...
[01:19] <DarwinSurvivor> labyrinth: you don't have to do cd mirror to sneakernet stuff. You can also set up another machine as an rsync mirror (laptop, netbook + external USB, etc) and the simply rsync between them when you bring it back
[01:19] <econdudeawesome> Jordan_U: so completely impossible?
[01:19] <MirkoKa> labyrinth: maybe this line will give you a hint how a deb line should look like: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/timo-wingender/ppa/ubuntu lucid main" that is "deb URL distro category"
[01:19] <Ben64> then 110 hours
[01:19] <SolarisBoy> lol
[01:19] <SolarisBoy> thats more than 4 days
[01:20] <hwq001> If I campress and then use lftp, it only spend 10 hours
[01:20] <Ben64> can't compress images though
[01:20] <Ben64> unless bmp or something
[01:20] <SolarisBoy> well rsync gets high rates becauase it has to see the files first
[01:20] <SolarisBoy> thats all
[01:20] <Ben64> rsync -avzPe ssh
[01:20] <SolarisBoy> right on
[01:20] <Ben64> compresses for you
[01:20] <hwq001> Ben64:I just need it be a file not folder ,so that it can be transfered with full speed
[01:20] <SolarisBoy> and does it over a tunnel!!
[01:21] <hwq001> for file, lftp is better than scp
[01:22] <ChogyDan> resource monitor?  anyone know how to get it on precise?
[01:22] <Jordan_U> econdudeawesome: Completely unsupported. If you try it it will fail, if you manage to work around all of the problems we *still* won't support it.
[01:23] <linuxuz3r> linux rocks man
[01:23] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: Sorry, I'm being confusing. The bandwidth is not an issue. Sneakernet wouldn't help because it's still the same bandwidth. I can't just go down to a coffee shop and get good bandwidth because there is no fiber optic here. It's all through satellite. We are perfectly happy (so to speak) with taking a week to download stuff and theres' not really much other option
[01:23] <DarwinSurvivor> labyrinth: by sneakernet, I meant ferry....
[01:24] <ChogyDan> it looks like gnome-system-monitor is installed.  Is there a hotkey for it?
[01:24] <DarwinSurvivor> labyrinth: the original mirror will take a lot of bandwidth, but it shouldn't take much to *keep* it updated, as long as you don't let it fall a week behind
[01:24] <gaelfx> ChogyDan: do you mean system monitor?
[01:25] <ChogyDan> gaelfx: any system monitor
[01:25] <gaelfx> ChogyDan: not that I'm aware of, but you can add it to the launcher
[01:25] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: Right, we already do something like that with WSUS for the M$ machines
[01:25] <gaelfx> ChogyDan: or you could make a hotkey combo for it yourself
[01:25] <Carth|> 	Can anyone give me support on how to mount a disk image to my desktop? I'm attempting to install Age of Empires II using PlayOnLinux.
[01:26] <hokachu> I can't get Ubuntu to install. It gives errors and only shows half a screen. After managing to install with only half a screen it refuses to boot up. Does anyone know what kind of problem this is?
[01:26] <SolarisBoy> Carth|: is it a an iso image?
[01:27] <Carth|> I have the disk
[01:27] <ZetaRC121> Hi, I installed sdl-mame and gmameui, gmameui is telling me it can't find the sdl-mame install
[01:27] <MirkoKa> Carth|: shouldn't do PoL do that for you? In any case I suggest Acetone. Still for PoL (and wine) you usually need a NoCD crack
[01:27] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: We really have to use a mirror to keep bandwidth down. I just didn't want to do a full rsync because we only want to offer Pangolin for 386 and 64 bit as well as source. It's all good for the archive repo, but I want the CD isos, too. Ultimately, I can just download them and throw them on a share, so I'll just keep checking things out.
[01:27] <ChogyDan> gaelfx: I would love one that is on permanent display, in the task bar, if you know of that, that would be AMAZING!
[01:27] <soreau> Carth|: When you insert the disk, it's not automounted?
[01:27] <pmp6nl> Hey all, I keep getting errors when trying to dual monitor:  requested position/size for CRTC 148 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1280, 0), size=(800, 600), maximum=(1600, 1600)
[01:27] <SolarisBoy> ZetaRC121: i think you have to sometimes point it to the right location
[01:28] <caseymcgt> can someone help me resolve some eclipse issues after moving to 12.04
[01:28] <Carth|> MirkoKa: I struggled with getting PoL to do this for me, didn't work the first time so trying a different path.
[01:28] <ZetaRC121> SolarisBoy and where would that be?
[01:28] <Ben64> Carth|: have you tried wine
[01:28] <SolarisBoy> ZetaRC121: in gmameui preferences
[01:28] <Carth|> Ben64: New to Ubuntu/Linux and still wrapping my mind around it all. Lots to learn.
[01:28] <Carth|> Ben64: I have installed wine, yes
[01:29] <Carth|> soreau: When I insert the disk I see it in the toolbar, but don't know the next step
[01:29] <jbwiv___> if I "Lock to launcher" an app in 12.04, where does the .desktop file (I assume one is created) get stored? If one isn't created, where can I view what is?
[01:29] <gaelfx> ChogyDan: there is no task bar, the top-panel is the closest you get, and as you may have gathered by now is more less just there to waste screen space
[01:29] <DarwinSurvivor> labyrinth: I'm not sure exactly how to make a "partial" mirror (the link I posted a while ago may), but the ISO's should be fairly simple to host (you could even throw them on ftp or torrent them internally with a whitelist)
[01:29] <ChogyDan> gaelfx: :(
[01:29] <DarwinSurvivor> gaelfx: lol
[01:29] <soreau> CarlFK: You asked how to mount an image.. if it's auto-mounted (check the output of 'mount') I'm not sure what else you need to do
[01:30] <caseymcgt> mount -o loop SOURCE.ISO /MOUNT/POINT
[01:30] <gaelfx> seriously, I have a deep, deep hatred for the top-panel, so deep in fact that last night I fell asleep by imagining how I would download the source for unity and edit it so the top-panel is gone
[01:31] <labyrinth> DarwinSurvivor: yeah, the more I think about it, the  more I think it's better just doing a plain file share that rsyncs to the 'precise' folder of the cd mirror.
[01:31] <MirkoKa> Carth|: look into PoL's supported games/apps and install using it. if it's not supported, there is an "Install a program that is not listed" (or similar) link in the lower-right of the PoL window
[01:31] <gaelfx> caveat - I'm using ubuntu on a netbook
[01:31] <systemd0wn> Question, Are many people having power management, shutdown, and stability issues with 12.04? Or is it just me...
[01:31] <Carth|> MirkoKa: I will try that again. I failed the first time I tried to Install using PoL.
[01:32] <scott__> What to do when volume applet disappears in 12.04's systray?
[01:32] <gaelfx> in fact, I think I might start looking at the code now
[01:33] <PhlowHome> My laptop screen goes blank when I close the lid and reopen, any known fix?
[01:33] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: log out and back in and see if it returns
[01:33] <datruth> anyone running minecraft?
[01:33] <systemd0wn> PhlowHome, same here. Haven't seen any fix.
[01:33] <scott__> DarwinSurvivor, already tried.  No luck :(
[01:33] <gaelfx> imo, the top-panel and the launcher really ought to switch places
[01:33] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: try a reboot, pulse or alsa may have died on you
[01:34] <scott__> that's what I tried, actually.
[01:34] <systemd0wn> PhlowHome, Have you tried messing with power settings? Tell ubuntu not to do anything when you close the lid. This may help.
[01:34] <Carth|> When I click install in PoL I get to a location where it asks what version of AOE2 I have - CD version or Digital Download Version. Upon Clicking on 'CD Version' it asks me where my CD-ROM is mounted - options are 'AGE2_X1' or 'Other''
[01:34] <scott__> I've been searching for a solution, and not much has come up for 12.04 (some for 10.04, but that's not what I need lol)
[01:34] <MirkoKa> Carth|: there's of course also the posibility that it doesn't work just so, check http://appdb.winehq.org/ for info about the game
[01:34] <Carth|> I select AGE2_X1 and get an error that says 'File Not Found'
[01:34] <PhlowHome> systemd0wn, I'll do that until I find a fix
[01:35] <pareshan> .
[01:35] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: check out sound in the system settings dialog. Does everything appear normal in there (no errors, etc)
[01:36] <bobmeister> I was trying to get gnome shell themes working and totally butchered my x setup.  No boot except from recovery, no x, gdm, or other.  Any help?
[01:36] <pengw> 12.0 or 11.04 is better ?
[01:36] <pengw> i am using 11.04 currently
[01:36] <DarwinSurvivor> PhlowHome: is the sceen just black, or is the entire computer asleep?
[01:36] <pengw> i tried 11.10 before and i dislike it
[01:36] <pengw> how about 12.04?
[01:36] <systemd0wn> So stability hasn't been a problem for other with 12.04? I get random crashes amongst other problems.
[01:36] <PhlowHome> DarwinSurvivor, seems to be a black screen, but I can't be sure
[01:37] <gaelfx> pengw: this is why God invented livecds, you can try it out for yourself
[01:37] <DarwinSurvivor> bobmeister: nothing you do (as a user) to gnome-shell will affect gdm. If you typed in your password while changing gnome-shell stuff, something went TERRIBLY wrong.
[01:37] <scott__> DarwinSurvivor, it recognizes the hardware it seems, and when I click on the volume slider, it makes the "popping" sound, but the test does not work.
[01:37] <DarwinSurvivor> PhlowHome: run a music player, that's the simplest way to tell when the computer is asleep :P
[01:38] <caseymcgt> so eclipse works on 12.04 for evryone?
[01:38] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: try banshee or rhythmbox and see if you get any sound.
[01:38] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: also run "sudo ps aux | grep pulse" and tell me if anything shows up
[01:38] <systemd0wn> caseymcgt, So many other things are broken (for me) in 12.04 I haven't even gotten that far. Are you having issues?
[01:39] <scott__> DarwinSurvivor, Rhythmbox works
[01:39] <PhlowHome> caseymcgt, works for me
[01:39] <Carth|> MirkoKa: I went to the link you sent, and found Age of Empires 2, but not sure where to download. I see different Test results, but clicking on one doesn't launch the download.
[01:39] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: pleaste pastebin the output of "sudo ps aux | grep pulse"
[01:39] <scott__> One moment please
[01:40] <bobmeister> DarwinSurvivor,  you see,  when ever i tried installing any package i got an error about dpkg not being able to configure gdm.   I tried uninstall then reinstall,  no luck.   Is there any way i can just reinstall gdm,  x,  and that jazz so i can actually boot without recovery?
[01:40] <systest> Can anyone point me to a doc on disabling Unity on 12.4? i.e. running generic Gnome3
[01:40] <L3top> caseymcgt: I am not sure anything works for everyone... what problem are you having? pengw If you didn't like 11.10 I don't know that you will enjoy 12.04... but better is an arbitrary term.
[01:40] <DarwinSurvivor> Carth|: that site does not allow you to download the game, it simply tells you if the game will run under wine (and what tweaks you may have to perform to make it do so)
[01:40] <scott__> http://pastebin.com/W6PTWeie
[01:40] <bazhang> !notunity | systest
[01:41] <L3top> DarwinSurvivor: why sudo ps aux?
[01:41] <Carth|> DarwinSurvivor: Thank you
[01:41] <DarwinSurvivor> bobmeister: did you at ANY time during your "customizing" get asked for your password?
[01:41] <Gyro54> hi!
[01:41] <systest> bazhang, and that works for 12.4 as well?
[01:41] <bobmeister> DarwinSurvivor,  I dont think so,  why?
[01:41] <bazhang> systest, yes
[01:41] <MirkoKa> Carth|: as DarwinSurvivor said, but look at   http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=147 and search for   "1) No game CD detected." maybe that helps you
[01:41] <DarwinSurvivor> systest: simply install gnome-shell from the software center, then log out, click the "gear" next to your name and chose "gnome-shell" then log in again
[01:42] <bazhang> systest, you mean 12.04 I assume
[01:42] <systest> bazhang, thanks, and yes "04"
[01:42] <DarwinSurvivor> bobmeister: because otherwise gdm shouldn't have been able to have been affected, only root can modify gdm
[01:42] <systest> DarwinSurvivor, ty
[01:42] <Carth|> MirkoKa: Thank you, this looks promising
[01:43] <bobmeister> DarwinSurvivor,  i tried to uninstall then reinstall gdm to correct the dpkg errors i got when trying to do any sort of package operation.
[01:44] <DarwinSurvivor> bobmeister: please pastebin the dpkg errors
[01:44] <n00bBot> absakdhasjdad
[01:44] <ThePendulum> Flash isn't working on my laptop Ubuntu 12.04 installation, while it appears to be installed. Any ideas?
[01:45] <WeissLehrer> When I search for music on my 'Dash Home', it shows music from banshee (which I have removed recently). How do I make it go away?
[01:45] <bobmeister> All it said was "dpkg: cannot configure gdm (--configure)"
[01:45] <ThePendulum> WeissLehrer: Are you sure it's banshee? I can't find Banshee by searching for 'music', even though it's installed
[01:46] <DarwinSurvivor> bobmeister: please pastebin exactly what you typed as well as exactly what was returned. copy-pasting the terminal session is the best way to do so
[01:46] <WeissLehrer> ThePendulum: that on the filter results...
[01:46] <ThePendulum> WeissLehrer: How do you know it's from Banshee?
[01:46] <Carth|> "open Terminal and navigate to the CD-ROM drive (the directory is called AOE2 and is located in /media/AOE2)" <--- how to I navigate to CD-ROM drive in Terminal?
[01:47] <bobmeister> DarwinSurvivor, Can't,  per se, as x will not start into any usable enviroment.
[01:47] <WeissLehrer> ThePendulum: because there is an option to filter music from app on the right
[01:47] <ThePendulum> Carth|: Didn't you just quote the answer? lol
[01:47] <PhlowHome> caseymcgt, actually, having a problem with the IDE's intellisense not recognizing c++ std lib, but g++ building fine...
[01:47] <Carth|> ThePendulum: Possibly, I'm a newborn Ubuntu user and am very confused :)
[01:47] <L3top> Carth|: cd /media/AOE2
[01:47] <abyss42> i have a remote ip address and a .pcf... i have to use vpn to access it...how do i access it using ubuntu?
[01:47] <ChogyDan> bobmeister: can you install pastebinit?
[01:48] <L3top> assuming you followed directions to mount it there Carth|
[01:48] <DarwinSurvivor> bobmeister: then re-type it using another computer. we need to see the EXACT command you entered as well as the output. A missing "e" can cause a lot of grief :P
[01:48] <ThePendulum> Carth|: What L3ptop said, browse to that location using 'cd' (commonly used to browse to a directory)
[01:48] <Carth|> L3top: Thank you. I'm working on figuring out how to mount it.
[01:49] <DarwinSurvivor> abyss42: what is a pcf/
[01:49] <L3top> Carth|: is it an iso or a disk?
[01:49] <DarwinSurvivor> abyss42: what is a pcf?
[01:49] <Carth|> L3top: disk
[01:49] <ThePendulum> Carth|: It should mount automatically...
[01:49] <ThePendulum> Carth|: If it's in the media folder, it's probably mounted
[01:49] <ThePendulum> + already
[01:49] <hrezaei> Hi People!
[01:50] <caseymcgt> for eclipse, I removed every java package I could find and then did an 'apt-get install eclipse'
[01:50] <abyss42> DarwinSurvivor, .pcf file...somekind of personal certificate file..i am assuming
[01:50] <ThePendulum> Any feedback on Flash?
[01:50] <caseymcgt> now when it runs, all the editor screens show a stacktrace
[01:50] <caseymcgt> "Could not open the editor: No editor descriptor for id org.eclipse.jdt.ui.CompilationUnitEditor"
[01:50] <Carth|> ThePendulum: What exactly is the 'Media Folder' - -  I'm looking in my directory and I don't see a folder called Media
[01:50] <MirkoKa> PCF is a bitmal font format
[01:51] <L3top> Carth|: ls /media
[01:51] <ThePendulum> Carth|: That folder is in the system root, not your home folder
[01:51] <hokachu> If there is anyone who can help me with the super basics of even installing 12.04 please send me a message. I'm using a laptop that doesn't have a cd-rom. I have a bootable USB stick already. After installing it refuses to boot and gives errors.
[01:52] <hrezaei> Can anyone explain me,How terminal interact with an assembly program?
[01:52] <abyss42> DarwinSurvivor, pcf file = profile config file
[01:53] <MirkoKa> abyss42: where (in ubuntu) do you see a pcf file that is not a font?
[01:53] <Lagorgia924> hello world!!
[01:53] <SolarisBoy> they get used for vpns etc a lot..
[01:54] <abyss42>  MirkoKa , what do you mean? I said, i have a .pcf file...which apparently means profile configuration file...with the help of which one is supposed to connect to a VPN
[01:54] <maca> Hello. What is the difference about using a electronic mail program, as  Thunderbird, and using directly on a web browser?
[01:55] <Lagorgia> @maca a mail program snatches your mail when you have internet
[01:55] <SolarisBoy> maca: in usage nothing - but on the backend you may be using different protocols to get your mail
[01:55] <GG111> maca: well, plenty of diffrences, but, if you make sure to use plain text when composing via browser, you'll make your technical frieds and recipeints much happier..
[01:55] <SolarisBoy> lol
[01:56] <L3top> hrezaei: I am not sure that question will result in what you want to know. Can you be more specific?
[01:56] <MirkoKa> abyss42: I was just wondering because there are  quite some .pcf files on my 10.04 and they are all fonts, so I was wondering whether there would be another .pcf file type
[01:56] <SolarisBoy> MirkoKa: yes
[01:56] <SolarisBoy> they are used for configuration of VPN and such
[01:56] <ThePendulum> maca: For you, the only difference is potential convenience. Thunderbird is intigrated in Ubuntu and will pop one up if you recieve an e-mail
[01:56] <jc_> hello, what is the best music player for ubuntu?
[01:57] <ThePendulum> jc_: Any, try some out and decide for yourself
[01:57] <renode> <3 vlc myself
[01:57] <ThePendulum> jc_: My personal favorite is Banshee
[01:57] <SolarisBoy> i like banshee fine, in short its opinion based
[01:57] <ThePendulum> renode: Amazing for video, but for music... not so much. Especially managing a collection.
[01:57] <SolarisBoy> and you have tons of options
[01:57] <MirkoKa> SolarisBoy: Ok, thanks
[01:57] <scott__> DarwinSurvivor, I don't suppose you were able to figure anything out by looking at that pastebin related to missing volume indicator?
[01:57] <jc_> other options
[01:57] <ponrajuganesh> what is a striking feature of linux that is not found in windows?
[01:57] <renode> gaming
[01:58] <SolarisBoy> vlc is super cool though - i just that its not the default player and its not as integrated into the unity/panel as banshee
[01:58] <renode> Oops
[01:58] <SolarisBoy> so - i prefer banshee.
[01:58] <renode> wrong way XD
[01:58] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: free updates?
[01:58] <scott__> ponrajuganesh, what is a striking feature of windows that is not found in windows? -Viruses (mostly)
[01:58] <GraemeLion> jc_: There are tons of options.  The software center has a huge selection of them.
[01:58] <GG111> ponrajuganesh: the 180$ license ?
[01:58] <ThePendulum> renode: You confused me, a lot :P
[01:58] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: free new OS every 6 months or so?
[01:58]  * L3top uses vlc
[01:58] <jc_> but the best for libreries
[01:59] <renode> hahaha i thought he meant in windows that isnt in linux XD
[01:59] <ponrajuganesh> more technically guys? SolarisBoy scott__ GG111
[01:59] <renode> sorry, ill shut up now ;)
[01:59] <maca> ok, thanks for response for the mail item
[01:59] <jc_> to manage libraries
[01:59] <quixotedon> why there is no 'hibernate' mode in 12.04??
[01:59] <GG111> ponrajuganesh: you want us to write a whole assay about it ?
[01:59] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: the fact that most things in linux are text based and open source the world is yours?
[01:59] <scott__> quixotedon, because hibernate is generally unreliable I've heard
[01:59] <scott__> in some machines
[01:59] <GG111> SolarisBoy: you're so nice.
[02:00] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: the fact that an ubuntu can even exist? @linux is just a kernel...
[02:00] <L3top> It was removed, probably as it is problematic. There is a way to restore it... let me find the link quixotedon
[02:00] <scott__> if you want it back, search for "things to tweak ubuntu 12.04"
[02:00] <ThePendulum> ponrajuganesh: The lack of viruses, better (free) support found in channels like these, overall faster on many machines, very customizable, often better looks (Ubuntu 12.04 vs. Windows 7, I prefer the first)
[02:00] <SolarisBoy> so the fact that you can build from linux for free and do in short what you like... is a benefit
[02:00] <ponrajuganesh> GG111:  I just need one feature techincally that will dO
[02:00] <foobArrr> quixotedon: you can try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-12-04
[02:00] <SolarisBoy> you _CANT_ do this on windows.. the fact that there is a unified installer method ponrajuganesh.. and not exe's and msi's and etc etc etc
[02:00] <quixotedon> scott__: i love using hibernate and that really works fine, you know to know the fact that i use 12.04 on my laptop that i bring along with me anywhere, such function is so helpful to resume my work
[02:01] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: the fact that the system is intelligent enough to understand what dependancies are and handle them gracefully in most cases
[02:01] <GG111> ponrajuganesh: Linux system will "fly" on hardware that Windows system will not move
[02:01] <GG111> good enough ?
[02:01] <quixotedon> thanks foobArrr
[02:01] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: linux at least takes a few megabytes of disk spaces
[02:01] <quixotedon> foobArrr: thanks a lot
[02:01] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: for a fully functional server
[02:01] <scott__> Speaking of support, I've been unable to find a solution to my problem of a missing volume indicator in the panel.
[02:01] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: dont forget about viruses and stuff
[02:01] <quixotedon> i see that 12.04 takes 0.8 gb more than 11.10
[02:01] <Young_> hi all
[02:02] <quixotedon> well, that's worth it so far.. :)
[02:02] <ponrajuganesh> thanks a lot SolarisBoy GG111 ThePendulum
[02:02] <ChogyDan> scott__: are you using unity?
[02:02] <SolarisBoy> GG111: =) thanks
[02:02] <ThePendulum> scott__: Does the sound work, though?
[02:02] <SolarisBoy> ponrajuganesh: welcome x10
[02:02] <scott__> ChogyDan, unity 3d
[02:02] <maca1> Puppy is veeery light
[02:02] <ThePendulum> ponrajuganesh: Np, if you need further details, feel free to ask
[02:02] <Carth|> L3top: ThePendulum: I tried "wine /media/AGE2_X1/aocsetup.exe" and got back "Bad EXE format for Z:\media\AGE2_X1\aocsetup.exe"
[02:02] <zhxk> hello, whats password to ubuntu 12.04lts install iso
[02:02] <quixotedon> anybody join the #ubuntuclassroom or anyboey knows how to join, if still available?
[02:02] <scott__> ThePendulum, yes it does
[02:02] <quixotedon> zhxk: no password i think
[02:02] <MirkoKa> ponrajuganesh: extreme flexibility, like LEGO box, adjustablte to all kind of situations, adaptable, morphable, not dependent on end-of-life time, not dependent on company sales figures, etc
[02:02] <scott__> I'm missing my sound menu, but I can adjust the sound with the laptop buttons
[02:02] <ChogyDan> scott__: have you tried reseting the ....
[02:03] <f0x> i have problems with ati after activating propietary driver boot lags la 3-4 mins or so
[02:03] <bazhang> quixotedon, #ubuntu-classroom
[02:03] <SolarisBoy> MirkoKa: nice reference @ legos =)
[02:03] <ThePendulum> scott__: Ubuntu 12.04, that is?
[02:03] <scott__> ChogyDan, I've tried rebooting and logging out
[02:03] <scott__> ThePendulum, yes
[02:03] <PhlowHome> omg eclipse tooltips are no longer black on black... praise the lord
[02:03] <ChogyDan> scott__: what's it called, the theme thing
[02:03] <ponrajuganesh> ThePendulum: whether could you give me some like scheduler or system level difference ?
[02:03] <DarwinSurvivor> scott__: sorry, it got lost in the scrollback. looks ok to me.
[02:03] <quixotedon> bazhang: any requirements to join it? or is aimed for newbies??
[02:03] <DanaG> Say, aside from compiling my own kernel, is there any way to get the "USB Debug Port" support (such as CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK_DBGP)?
[02:03] <ChogyDan> scott__: maybe that's it, the theme
[02:03] <scott__> I'm using Ambiance
[02:03] <bazhang> quixotedon, free to join for anyone
[02:03] <littleboyblue> Anyone know if there is an addon or option in Firefox to reduce eye strain?
[02:03] <zhxk> quixotedon,  it have a password for ubuntu
[02:03] <ChogyDan> scott__: try switching to a different one, and then back to ambiance
[02:04] <SolarisBoy> DanaG: is it compiled as a module somehow? if not know you would need to compile a kernel
[02:04] <bazhang> zhxk, no it does not
[02:04] <SolarisBoy> *no
[02:04] <MirkoKa> SolarisBoy: that's actually how I explain linux to normal users. linux == lego, windows == playmobil :-D
[02:04] <zhxk> hello, whats password to user ubuntu for ubuntu 12.04lts install iso
[02:04] <GraemeLion> littleboyblue: Have you checked the #firefox channel?
[02:04] <bazhang> zhxk, is this Ultimate Ubuntu or something like that?
[02:04] <scott__> No luck :(
[02:04] <SolarisBoy> MirkoKa: lol @ playmobile
[02:04] <finish06> what is the point of a GPG key after adding a source to my /etc/apt/source.list file???
[02:04] <SolarisBoy> MirkoKa: more like the little army men...
[02:04] <littleboyblue> GraemeLion: thanks
[02:04] <bazhang> zhxk, stop repeating. there is no password
[02:04] <zhxk> bazhang, it have a password
[02:05] <jc_> thanks so much guys
[02:05] <GraemeLion> littleboyblue: No problem.. that said, I'd do a google search for extensions, those usually have all kinds of options to customize firefox!
[02:05] <zhxk> i need to enter a password when i double click install ubuntu icon
[02:05] <scott__> I may log out and try Unity 2d and see if it's still missing
[02:05] <jeffrash> why is the software center so SSSLLLOOOWWW?
[02:05] <GraemeLion> jeffrash: 11.10 or 12.04?
[02:05] <zhxk> bazhang, i get the iso from http://www.ubuntu.com.cn/
[02:05] <jeffrash> 12.04 but it was slow in 11.10
[02:06] <f0x> how can i enter recovery mode with normal user root withou starting x in 12.04. can anybody please advice
[02:06] <GraemeLion> Okay , was just gonna say, it's light years faster than it was :)  If you're knowledgable, I'd suggest install synaptic.
[02:06] <quixotedon> seems that 12.04 comes with the internal error message and asking permission  to report.. the way windows does??? :-(
[02:06] <jeffrash> synaptic is so much faster
[02:06] <DanaG> Classy:  "Report a problem..." has encountered a problem.
[02:06] <GraemeLion> quixotedon: No, the reports here go almost directly to launchpad.net, where they are triaged by developers and handled much quicker.
[02:06] <young> k
[02:07] <ThePendulum> ponrajuganesh: I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't fully understand what you mean (could be me, it's getting late)
[02:07] <GraemeLion> quixotedon: Please do report those, it's helpful to us.
[02:07] <SolarisBoy> thats cool at speedy support
[02:07] <zhxk> hello, whats password to user ubuntu for ubuntu 12.04lts install iso from http://www.ubuntu.com.cn/
[02:07] <ChogyDan> scott__: maybe check if indicator-sound is installed
[02:07] <ponrajuganesh> I mean more system level details ThePendulum the one in linux and not in windows
[02:07] <diamonds> http://hastebin.com/raw/jafixoxatu
[02:07] <diamonds> any suggestions?
[02:08] <quixotedon> zhxk: have you tried downloading from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop ???
[02:08] <f0x> how can i boot into recovery mode without x to start
[02:08] <zhxk> quixotedon, exactly
[02:08] <L3top> zhxk you have been told BOTH that there is no password, and to stop asking over and over. There is no answer to your question. The live user has no password.
[02:08] <ChogyDan> zhxk: I was able to do it without a password
[02:08] <zhxk> quixotedon, it requires a password
[02:08] <quixotedon> GraemeLion: excellent things though but kinda annoying, the app seems works fine but you see the message appears.. anyway i do think that this is more to positive parts than negative :)
[02:09] <root_coma> zhxk, you might be seeing windows permissions. Maybe take a screenshot
[02:09] <ThePendulum> ponrajuganesh: Well, you'd have to be more specific. It's completely different, really. All I can think of, is that it has better power management on laptops... if that's anything like you mean
[02:09] <diamonds> where would I look into updating my graphics card driver?
[02:09] <zhxk> yes
[02:09] <DarwinSurvivor> zhxk: you shouldn't need the password since it automatically logs in and you have no-password sudo rights.
[02:09] <sary> zhxk: the live-cd require a password ! that's NEWS .
[02:09] <diamonds> this is probably a bad idea....
[02:09] <ponrajuganesh> yup ThePendulum
[02:09] <ChogyDan> diamonds: do you have a 3d graphics card?  which one?
[02:09] <DarwinSurvivor> zhxk: *where* does it require a password (boot, login, install, etc)?
[02:10] <diamonds> ChogyDan: I'm not sure
[02:10] <zhxk> darwinsurvivor, i double click install ubuntu icon, it requires me a password for user ubuntu
[02:10] <diamonds> where can I list devices?
[02:10] <L3top> diamonds: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[02:10] <diamonds> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03
[02:11] <DarwinSurvivor> zhxk: please reboot and select "check this disk for errors" from the menu, your install disk may be corrupted
[02:11] <jbwiv___> if I "Lock to launcher" an app in 12.04, where does the .desktop file (I assume one is created) get stored?  That is for precise
[02:13] <sary> zhxk: from where did you download the iso file ? also have you checked the iso hashes with md5sum !
[02:13] <hnsz> zhxk: usb?
[02:13] <phoenix_firebrd> i am trying to install virtualbox, i am getting a package conflict, it wants to remove "grub-gfxpayload-lists". The status of the package is broken. Is this package an essential one?
[02:14] <L3top> diamonds: all other versions should be libva-driver-i965 I believe
[02:14] <ThePendulum> ponrajuganesh: It's worth it. My experience so far, is that most Linux distros manage to get more out of a system than Windows ever could
[02:14] <zhxk> sary,  download from homepage to ubuntu
[02:14] <zhxk> hnsz, have use, no cdrom
[02:14] <ponrajuganesh> ThePendulum:  :)
[02:14] <diamonds> L3top: oh I'm on 11.1
[02:15] <diamonds> Is there a way to upgrade easily, or must I d/l new install cd?
[02:15] <churly> n
[02:15] <xangua> !upgrade | diamonds
[02:15] <xangua> just use the update manager
[02:15] <L3top> unsure on that one diamonds, it is one or the other... you can apt-cache policy libva-driver-i965    if there is no result it is the other.
[02:15] <churly> Testing irssi, could someone type my name in channel?
[02:15] <GraemeLion> chruly
[02:16] <GraemeLion> Should show up as yellow
[02:16] <diamonds> OK I'll use update manager
[02:16] <zhxk> darwinsurvivor, HELP ME
[02:16] <diamonds> is it going to DISABLE MY MEDIBUNTU PACKAGES?
[02:16] <churly> You mispelled my name, I'm deeply offended.
[02:16] <diamonds> sorry, that was quite irksome last update
[02:17] <GraemeLion> diamonds: The upgrade does disable all non-ubuntu repos, IIRC
[02:17] <sary> churly:
[02:17] <GraemeLion> IT definitely disables PPAs
[02:17] <ThePendulum> ponrajuganesh: The only valid arguments against Linux is the lack of games and graphical applications
[02:17] <root_coma> zhxk, it sounds like you don't have permission to run the installer in the os you are currently running. You should either get the password to sudo or you should make a bootable usb and install from that.
[02:17] <churly> Many thanks
[02:17] <zhxk> darwinsurvivor, HELP ME, the password to livecd user ubuntu
[02:17] <diamonds> where's the check box to prevent this behavior?
[02:17] <diamonds> perhaps I'll see one when I click upgrade
[02:17] <pmp6nl> I assume its a good idea to enable SSL before using Webmin over the internet...?
[02:17] <L3top> !help zhxk
[02:17] <ponrajuganesh> hmmm but that wont be a problem with me ThePendulum i wont play games
[02:17] <Salamander> how can I set up a static ip address in ubuntu 12.04 using the command line?? I used to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add something like "iface eth0 static <IP_ADDRESS>" and "up ip route <IP_ADDRESS>" or something like that, but this kind of setup is giving me no "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" in /etc/resolv.conf at startup. Any clue how to setup a static ip that does not conflict with resolv.conf????
[02:17] <gaelfx> where can I download the source for unity?
[02:17] <diamonds> ubuntudev cares about UX, so it'll be there
[02:18]  * diamonds keeps telling himself that
[02:18] <wylde> !patience | zhxk
[02:18] <ThePendulum> So, anyone on the Flash issue?
[02:18] <diamonds> zhxk: what are you seeing?
[02:18] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: try "apt-get source unity"
[02:18] <L3top> what exactly is the flash issue ThePendulum
[02:18] <gaelfx> zhxk: the password is either blank or 'password'
[02:18] <sary> zhxk: How did you burn the iso to the usb !
[02:19] <DarwinSurvivor> zhxk: If you do not have a cdrom, the recommended install method is via USB https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[02:19] <zhxk> gaolfx aure you sure?
[02:19] <diamonds> zhxk: tias
[02:19] <ThePendulum> L3top: Flash seems to be installed, yet flash content won't work in both Firefox and Chromium. Ubuntu 12.04 on a laptop.
[02:19] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: That's core unity, though, you may need other packages as well
[02:20] <gaelfx> !liveusb | sary
[02:21] <gaelfx> sary: you can even do a full install to a USB ;)
[02:21] <L3top> A lot of people have been having issues with the flash player not actually finishing... however I believe that the flashplugin-installer will still show installed, I believe, as it's name implies, it is just the installer. If it were me I would sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer
[02:21] <diamonds> argh I have to figure out / look up how to reenable my medibuntu repos
[02:21] <ThePendulum> Why is that program still recommended? I have had far better experiences with UNetbootin on multiple systems.
[02:21] <diamonds> why does the OS upgrader work contrary to explicit user intent?
[02:22] <diamonds> clearly I *want* those repos, I manually added them, why would an update defy my intention and turn them off?
[02:22] <ChogyDan> hey guys, where can I learn more about virtualization on Ubuntu.  I know I can use virtualbox, but that uses a ton of memory.  Are there less memory intensive ways to do it, maybe just virtualize a session of x, instead of a whole install?
[02:22] <GraemeLion> diamonds: The user intends , generally, a working system after upgrade.  Remember, there's no way for the upgrader to know whether or not those repos have upgraded to the new release yet.
[02:23] <GraemeLion> diamonds: You can reactivate them by editing the software sources in the Ubuntu Software Center or Synaptic.
[02:23] <diamonds> GraemeLion: why is it only medibuntu that gets disabled?
[02:23] <ThePendulum> ChogyDan: Doesn't Virtualbox use about as much memory as you allow a VM to use?
[02:23] <GraemeLion> diamonds: It's not.  PPAs gt nailed too.
[02:23] <xangua> ThePendulum: because is a third party repository
[02:24] <ThePendulum> xangua: What is?
[02:24] <bazhang> ThePendulum, medibuntu
[02:24] <ChogyDan> ThePendulum: Im not sure, what if I give it too little memory, will it run ok?  still, it would be nice if I didn't need to virtualize all the hardware, I just want the user session
[02:24] <ThePendulum> bazhang, xangua: Eh, okay, I won't disagree on that...
[02:24] <xangua> ThePendulum: wasn't for you sorry
[02:24] <diamonds> ok well it says on the site I just rerun the command to get the .list, update, and install
[02:24] <xangua> diamonds: because it's a third party repository
[02:25] <sary> zhxk: check the hashes of the iso image , http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[02:25] <ThePendulum> xangua: Hehe, thought so, np
[02:25] <L3top> diamonds: here is a terrible hack that will automatically add gpg keys for all your sources: gpgs=$(apt-get update |& grep -s NO_PUBKEY | awk '{ print $NF }' | cut -c 9-16); if [ -n $gpgs ]; then for gpg in $gpgs; do gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys $gpg; gpg --export --armor $gpg | apt-key add -; done; fi
[02:25] <sary> gaelfx: isn't tha cool :) i allways keep my usb around just in case .
[02:25] <diamonds> xangua: well it sucks vis-a-vis user experience.  Upgrade and you can't watch DVDs anymore ≠ good UX
[02:25] <L3top> probably have to do another update afterwards...
[02:25] <ThePendulum> ChogyDan: It virtualizes all the nessecary hardware for a machine and nothing else, really
[02:26] <diamonds> most flavors it might not matter but Ubuntu is the "user friendly" linux
[02:26] <GraemeLion> diamonds: It's a tradeoff, right?
[02:26] <GraemeLion> diamonds: Mediabuntu behaves.  A lot of repos don't.
[02:26] <diamonds> GraemeLion: ah I see
[02:26] <ThePendulum> ChogyDan: Virtualization requires some 8GB of physical RAM to pull off nicely, whatever program you'll use
[02:26] <gaelfx> sary: my main box is running from a full install to a USB3.0 flash disk, and /home is mounted on a normal hdd
[02:27] <GraemeLion> diamonds: So the user experience is weighted towards the upgrade working :)
[02:27] <Firefishe> I overwrote my bootloader when I reinstalled win7.   I'm using ubuntu oneric as a rescue live cd.  How do I mount the other OS in it's own userspace so I can reinstall grub?
[02:27] <diamonds> GraemeLion: "working" ;)
[02:27] <GraemeLion> diamonds: Hehe. Well... :D
[02:27] <diamonds> for me, if I can't watch a movie my box isn't "working" :)
[02:27] <gaelfx> sary: very handy if I want to switch OSes, I can just switch USBs
[02:27] <xangua> diamonds: you are not forced to use medibuntu to see comercial dvd's if that is what you mean
[02:27] <DarwinSurvivor> !grub | Firefishe
[02:27] <xangua> !dvd | diamonds
[02:28] <sary> gaelfx: Nice , handy indeed.
[02:28] <diamonds> xangua: is there a set of packages I can install that will play dvds and not get disabled on upgrade?
[02:28] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: there is no need to use medibuntu for dvd's, mp3's, etc.
[02:28] <imaginal> Where should I go to ask mythbuntu questions?
[02:28] <DarwinSurvivor> !libdvdcss
[02:28] <diamonds> if so, I'm sold (mostly not dvds mind you, but I play them sometimes and other movies don't work etiher)
[02:28] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: ^^
[02:29] <gaelfx> GraemeLion: I just want to get the source though. If I get source from apt, I have to install dpkg-dev and a slew of other packages that it depends on
[02:29] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: those will NOT be disabled on upgrade?
[02:29] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: apt-get source should throw it into a directory for you.
[02:29] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: I've never had them get disabled.
[02:29] <diamonds> ok, thank you
[02:29] <sary> imaginal: mythbuntu ! you can searsh for channels in freenode using alis .. do /msg alis list help  .
[02:29] <diamonds> hmm... why did I start using medibuntu?
[02:30] <ChogyDan> diamonds: they will always be disabled, any ppa
[02:30] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: But.. here: https://code.launchpad.net/unity
[02:30] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: those are simply non-by-default repos, medibuntu is 3rd party, thus it gets disabled at upgrade time to reduce upgrade errors
[02:30] <imaginal> sary: Thanks!
[02:30] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: requires some knowledge of bzr
[02:30] <diamonds> OK
[02:30] <DarwinSurvivor> ChogyDan: the community repo is not a PPA
[02:30] <diamonds> I wish there were an after-upgrade "here's what got disabled, check to reenable" option
[02:31] <xangua> diamonds:  there is as you were told...
[02:31] <dr_willis> diamonds:  the webupd8 blog site mentioned some 'reneable ppa's'  option in their things to tweak after 12.04 install artical
[02:31] <GraemeLion> diamonds: That sounds like a good idea :D   Submit it : brainstorm.ubuntu.com :D
[02:31] <diamonds> xangua: oh? sorry I must have missed that.  I didn't get one last time iirc
[02:31] <diamonds> dr_willis: maybe that's the ticket! :)
[02:32] <sary> imaginal: so you could search for an example mythbuntu
[02:32] <L3top> well... first of all... some of those addresses are going to change, to reflect the codename... and I expect their keys will as well
[02:32] <DarwinSurvivor> !brainstorm | diamonds
[02:32] <L3top> but dont quote me
[02:32] <sary> imaginal: /msg alis list *mythbuntu
[02:32] <sary> *
[02:32] <gaelfx> GraemeLion: thanks :D
[02:32] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: no problem!
[02:32] <sary>  /msg alis list *mythbuntu*
[02:33] <diamonds> I'm beginning to understand better, thank you
[02:33] <sary> excuse the ty-po.
[02:34] <gaelfx> GraemeLion: from the apt-get, I gather that the current version used in Precise is 5.0?
[02:34] <quixotedon> if we want to join ubuntu open week, should it be just joining the #ubuntu-classroom ??
[02:34] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: I've got 5.10.0
[02:35] <GraemeLion> gaelfx: If you do 'bzr branch lp:unity' you'll get the head of the code
[02:35] <quixotedon> is java enabled in 12.04?? I don't find any information concerning this and it's painful to have it disabled in previous version.. :(
[02:36] <bazhang> !java | quixotedon
[02:36] <DarwinSurvivor> quixotedon: java is going through a cluster-f#$#@ right now with oracle remove linux support. best to try openjdk
[02:37] <AVP> using wine and it said "The file '/home/AVP/Downloads/Opera_1000_int_Setup.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit." what do i do to make it work?
[02:37] <gaelfx> GraemeLion: thanks again
[02:37] <L3top> !openjdk-7-jre
[02:37] <DarwinSurvivor> !permissions | AVP
[02:37] <quixotedon> i tried openjdk before but seems that any java enabled websites are not accessible
[02:38] <imaginal> sary: apology accepted. :) Thanks for the right direction
[02:38] <DarwinSurvivor> quixotedon: OH, java APPLETS! That requires addionational packages
[02:38] <napalm54> quixotedon: Do you have an example?
[02:38] <ThePendulum> Any idea why compizconfig doesn't seem to affect anything?
[02:38] <DarwinSurvivor> quixotedon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#Browser_plugin
 yes, how do i?
[02:38] <L3top> then follow the link bazhang posted
[02:38] <ThePendulum> Tried to set the icon size... nothing
[02:39] <napalm54> Is there any reason why OpenJDK is not in the Ubuntu Software Center?
[02:39] <napalm54> OpenJDK 7*
[02:39] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: easiest way is to right-click it -> permissions -> executable (check)
[02:39] <dr_willis> ThePendulum:  running unity2d by mistake,or not using compoiz, also seen it where for some odd reason a logout/backin is needed tomaake changes take effect
[02:39] <DarwinSurvivor> Nepherius: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[02:40] <stercor> Just upgraded to 12.04.  My toolbar is gone.  How can I get it back?
[02:40] <DarwinSurvivor> Nepherius: if it doesn't work, try "sudo apt-get update" first
[02:40] <dr_willis> !java
[02:40] <stercor> There is no CLI
[02:40] <dr_willis> stercor:   what toolbar?
[02:40] <ThePendulum> dr_willis: I logged in in 3d specifically, and it still didn't seem to have any effect. Anyway, any way to change the icon size in 2d mode?
[02:40] <quixotedon> i forgot the service used.. cause it was months ago..
[02:41] <quixotedon> somehow from famous name
[02:41] <dr_willis> ThePendulum:  theressssssssssssssss some unity2d tweak tools i never use 2d.
[02:41] <stercor> The one on the left-hand side of the screen with the apps such as, firefox, cli, libreoffice
[02:41] <dr_willis> silly keybord
[02:41] <AVP> DarwinSurvivor> where do i see that
[02:41] <dr_willis> stercor:  thats the 'launcher'
[02:41] <ThePendulum> dr_willis: I honestly can't tell the difference
[02:41] <quixotedon> i joined a class online but it didn't load to the class, then i decided to access the class through win
[02:41] <quixotedon> and no problem at all
[02:41] <khmerog> what does everyone think of the new ubuntu>?
[02:42] <PhlowHome> man, ubuntu is not feeling snappy...
[02:42] <GraemeLion> khmerog: I think it's absolutely amazing, tbh
[02:42] <sary> imaginal: thanks :) , anytime.
[02:42] <gaelfx> !poll | khmerog
[02:42] <stercor> oh...how do I get the launcher back, then?
[02:42] <dr_willis> stercor:  try making a new user see if the desktop works normally for them.
[02:42] <gaelfx> oops, wrong one
[02:42] <PhlowHome> feels like everything takes twice as long to launch
[02:42] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: right click /home/AVP/Downloads/Opera_1000_int_Setup.exe
[02:42] <stercor> dr_willis: thanks will do,
[02:42] <khmerog> kk
[02:42] <GraemeLion> khmerog: But , it depends on why you ask :)  Why do you ask? :D
[02:42] <dr_willis> stercor:  if it does then you may wangt to reset unity for the problem user
[02:42] <ThePendulum> khmerog: Unity has improved a LOT
[02:42] <PhlowHome> or, apps are only showing after the launcher bar animation is done
[02:43] <khmerog> i asked becuase..my laptop is a pentium 4.. so i went with lubuntu becuase its less visual demanding
[02:43] <GraemeLion> ThePendulum: Honestly, that's my biggest surprise.  I liked Unity before, saw potential in it.  Now that potential is being met, and in spades.
[02:43] <khmerog> just seeing what i am missing out on :(
[02:43] <dr_willis> the 12.04 HUD feature is neat:. andeasy to overlook. ;)
[02:43] <GraemeLion> khmerog: Might I suggest unity-2d , if you like unity but don't have the speed.  Lubuntu is a great release , though
[02:43] <gaelfx> khmerog: sorry about that, I was just trying to point out that that's not exactly a support question. I do like 12.04 a lot more than 11.10 though
[02:43] <ThePendulum> GraemeLion: It surprised me even more, I never saw potential in it until I faced it in 12.04
[02:43] <AVP> DarwinSurvivor: i have done that already but it didn't work
[02:44] <quixotedon> well i still don't really know how to use jdk though i have it installed
[02:44] <GraemeLion> ThePendulum: I just saw things that suggested it was very iterative.  Like "get it work", and then.. "get it work well."  I think we're now on "get it work well AND customizable"
[02:44] <dr_willis> i have noticed some odd issue  where my whole system slows down after being up for a long time. in unity and gnome-shell,   testing lubuntu right now to see if it does it there as well.
[02:44] <khmerog> i see...Graemelion are u saying i can get the new ubuntu and use unity 2d which is less hardware demanding?
[02:44] <napalm54> JDK should also come with a JRE, the JDK is for developing java applications.
[02:45] <khmerog> where can i get a tutorial or more info on that
[02:45] <gaelfx> khmerog: certainly you could, but is there any reason you want to stop using lubuntu?
[02:45] <quixotedon> napalm54: should i install both jdk and jre??
[02:45] <dr_willis> khmerog:  just install the unity-2d package i belive
[02:45] <GraemeLion> khmerog: It couldn't hurt to try it :D  I'd do an "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and give it a try if you want.  If you want.  If it's working for you, I doubt you're missing tons
[02:45] <OerHeks> dr_willis, i noticed a higher cpu use > uptime  04:45:15 up 4 days,  8:17,  1 user,  load average: 1.33, 1.20, 1.10
[02:45] <GraemeLion> khmerog: Or rather, yeah, try just installing unity-2d
[02:45] <napalm54> quixotedon: If you want to do development with Java, the JDK.  If you only use java application then just the JRE
[02:46] <naj42181> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop and find myself having to restart my internet connection every 30 seconds. any help?
[02:46] <trism> khmerog: you will need gnome-session as well, if you want to actually log in
[02:46] <quixotedon> napalm54: ah, that's quite an enlightenment.. :)
[02:46] <dr_willis> OerHeks:  i cant seem to find any thing hogging the cpu. at leasgt not tht iv noticced in htop.
[02:46] <khmerog> thats true gaelfx but i find lubuntu to be boring looking..sorry
[02:46] <khmerog> one thing i like about linux is the fact there is many OS to try out
[02:46] <napalm54> naj42181: I have an issue with a laptop not connecting, the easy fix for me was power cycling the router/modem
[02:46] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: please pastebin your terminal output
[02:47] <napalm54> quixotedon: haha thanks :)
[02:47] <OerHeks> dr_willis, me too
[02:47] <DarwinSurvivor> !pastebin | AVP
[02:47] <gaelfx> khmerog: I would agree with that assessment
[02:47] <dr_willis> khmerog:  been testing out lubuntu+Awn lately. just enough extraas to make it nice.
[02:47] <quixotedon> napalm54: i searched for jre in software centre and they are both installed on my laptop
 none of my other devices are having problems with the internet, will power cycling still make an effect?
 it work
[02:48] <gaelfx> dr_willis: ever tried openbox+awn? I ask purely out of curiosity as I'm considering giving it a go myself
[02:48] <napalm54> naj42181: For me, every other device didnt have any issue, power cycling fixed it for my laptop
[02:48] <quixotedon> do we just join #ubuntu-classroom to join ubuntu open week sessions??
[02:48] <dr_willis> gaelfx:  should work also. ive don e it befor
[02:48] <napalm54> naj42181: It may not work, but it may also work.  Not sure.
[02:48] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: it worked? cool
[02:48] <trism> gaelfx: lubuntu+awn technically is openbox+awn
[02:48] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: what did you do differently?
[02:48] <jrib> quixotedon: yep
[02:49] <picori> How do I install graphicsmagick on my ubuntu server?
[02:49] <gaelfx> trism: really? I never knew that
[02:49] <napalm54> quixotedon: You should download the IcedTea Java Plugin from the Ubuntu Software Center
[02:49] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: we have gotten a LOT of java questions lately, so knowing what cause *your* problem will help others in the future :)
[02:49] <quixotedon> jrib: thanks for the reply :)
[02:49] <napalm54> quixotedon: I believe it enables Java Applets to work.
[02:49] <dr_willis> picori:  you mean imagemagick ?
[02:49] <Draton> Hey guys, I just installed ubuntu but I'm not seeing a GRUB menu (side-by-side with Win 7).  I used boot-repair, but need more help, anyone know a bit about it?
[02:49] <dr_willis> !info graphicmagick
 just went in the permission and change the owner to admit
[02:49] <jrib> dr_willis: i thought the same thing, but graphicsmagick *is* in the repositories
[02:49] <dr_willis> !info graphicsmagick
[02:49] <picori> dr_willis: I mean this http://www.graphicsmagick.org
[02:49] <gaelfx> trism: do you mean there's no significant difference? or just that the differences are superficial?
[02:50] <napalm54> Draton: Sounds like you need to update Grub
[02:50] <picori> I need it for this https://github.com/aheckmann/gm
[02:50] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: oh, sorry, wrong person :P
[02:50] <dr_willis> its in the repos.. apt-get it ;)
[02:50] <DarwinSurvivor> AVP: good to know though
[02:50] <khmerog> "AWN was always a favourite of mine under Gnome - however avoid this one for Lubuntu because Synaptic tries to install most of the Gnome desktop when installing AWN."
[02:50] <Fyodorovna> Draton, if you can boot ubuntu run sudo update-grub if you have not yet
[02:50] <ymasory> hi, i can't disable the hide-all-windows shortcut. ubuntu 12.04, using gnome. I have the Windows->Meta mapping enabled, Windows+D causing all the windows to go away is driving me crazy because i use that as an emacs/terminal binding
[02:50] <dr_willis> i got gnome desktop installed anywway ;)
[02:50] <quixotedon> napalm54: ah, that one is missing though i installed icedtea java web start
[02:50] <trism> gaelfx: no I mean, lubuntu uses openbox as a window manager
[02:51] <ymasory> i've already disabled it in gconf-editor and using the settings gui
[02:51] <khmerog>  /join #lubuntu
 yep
[02:51] <Draton> I'm on a live CD now fyodorovna, can't boot into the one on the drive
[02:51] <ymasory> in fact none of my key binding changes seem to do anything
[02:51] <quixotedon> how do we log in as a root user in terminal? (sorry, so newbie question :) )
[02:51] <napalm54> quixotedon: Not sure what the web start is completely.
[02:51] <dr_willis> quixotedon:  use sudo as needed
[02:51] <gaelfx> trism: so if I want to install openbox and try it out instead of Unity/Gnome, might it be easier for me to just install lubuntu-desktop?
[02:51] <dr_willis> !sudo
[02:52] <trism> gaelfx: well, lubuntu-desktop will install lots of other stuff too, openbox is just part of it
[02:52] <Fyodorovna> Draton, download this script extract it to your desktop and run this command and pastebin the results text http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/     sudo bash ~/Desktop/bootinfoscript
[02:52] <quixotedon> napalm54: and i have the web start installed without knowing how to use it .. :-))
[02:52] <gaelfx> trism: ok, thanks for the info
[02:52] <Draton> Fyodorovna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/959011/  Already anticipated :D
[02:52] <napalm54> quixotedon: What about the IcedTea Java Plugin?
[02:53] <myhero> when doing su it asks for password....its live session with no username and password.....terminal is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>the default password ?
[02:53] <napalm54> quixotedon: In all honesty I am not sure what the webstart is used for.
[02:53] <Draton> Fyodorovna, boot-repair was saying I have a dynamic disk (which I do) but it's not my boot drive
[02:53] <dr_willis> myhero:  who are you su-ing to? the usernme is ubuntu. i think the password is blank
[02:53] <napalm54> quixotedon: But the Icedtea Java Plugin states it is a browser plugin to execute Java applets, so I am guessing that is the best bet for you.
[02:54] <jrib> !sudo | myhero
[02:54] <napalm54> ubottu is cool
[02:54] <ChogyDan> quixotedon: are you trying to run games or graphical applications with java?
[02:54] <KBentley57> hey guys.  I've got a server running 11.10, and I want to upgrade it to 12.04.  When I run "sudo do-release-upgrade"  it can't seem to see 12.04.  Any thoughts?
[02:55] <dr_willis> during an install of 12.04  the othr day i noticed my username/hosname on the live-usb was 'test@test' anyone else notice this? was i somehow using an older iso:, or justg a quirk in the cd?
[02:55] <gaelfx> napalm54: ubottu can experience neither heat nor cold, since it is a bot
[02:55] <myhero> i was installing Huawei Data Card EC122 driver...it was given in its manual to su first..!!!
[02:55] <napalm54> gaelfx: Haha, nice.
[02:55] <J2> What do i need to do to get my computer to see my other monitor? I have the proprietary drivers installed, but it won't see my ohter monitor, and labels the one it does as a Laptop. This is a desktop.
[02:55] <dr_willis> myhero:  the manual is not correct for ubuntu if yoiu wantg a root shell use sudo -i
[02:55] <gaelfx> napalm54: I try :D
[02:56] <myhero> ok
[02:56] <napalm54> gaelfx: But does ubottu follow the Three Laws of Robotics?
[02:56] <Fyodorovna> Draton, your sdb is dynamic the ubuntu s on sda you need grub in its bootloader, and first in boot. If the sda2 is the windows instal to boot it looks like it should show if you get the mbr correct.
[02:56] <YoungChen> is freebsd more difficult to use contrast to linux?
[02:56] <gaelfx> napalm54: ask it ;)
[02:56] <myhero> the data driver is for fedora mandriva and opensuse...can it be installed on ubuntu ?
[02:56] <xangua> !ot | Young
[02:56] <napalm54> !Three Laws of Robotics
[02:57] <bazhang> napalm54, stop that
[02:57] <dr_willis> myhero:  we  cant really tell.. it depends on a lot of thingss
[02:57] <Young> is freebsd more difficult to use contrast to ubuntu?
[02:57] <gaelfx> bazhang: my fault, sorry
[02:57] <napalm54> bazhang: Stop what?
[02:57] <xangua> !msgbot | napalm54
[02:57] <bazhang> napalm54, /msg ubottu
[02:57] <Quantum_Ion> Young, No you might want to try PC-BSD
[02:57] <diamonds> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29635/
[02:57] <bazhang> Young, thats off topic here
[02:57] <Young> ok...
[02:57] <Quantum_Ion> Young, FreeBSD just takes more configuration and it's mostly used for servers
[02:58] <cleric_preston> Hey guys I installed Ubuntu and now I want to install Win7 alongiside, how do I burn the iso file to palm pre since it's like a USB?
[02:58] <bazhang> Quantum_Ion, #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat NOT Here
[02:58] <J2> cleric_preston, you'd have to be able to wipe the palm pre, and mount it at boot, which i'm not sure is possible?
[02:59] <KBentley57> anything special required to update ubuntu server to 12.04?
[02:59] <cleric_preston> J2: Well yeah I can format it, i used unetbootin but it hangs at 51%.
[02:59] <Young> which command should i type that i can speak to someone like this:
[02:59] <Young> Quantum_Ion		Young, FreeBSD just takes more configuration and it's mostly used for servers
[02:59] <J2> /me
[02:59] <dr_willis> !tab | young
[02:59] <Quantum_Ion> KBentley57, Wait until after July until all the bugs are worked out to upgrade to 12.04
[02:59] <bazhang> Young, /msg nickname message
[02:59] <cleric_preston> J2: So? xD
[02:59] <Young> ubottu: just like this?
[03:00] <sary> KBentley57: have you checked the release notes.
[03:00] <cleric_preston> ubottu: You will be intelligent soon.
[03:00] <KBentley57> sary, I haven't.
[03:00] <J2> cleric_preston, You don't just have a USB lying around somewhere?
[03:00] <myhero> sorry i got disconnected
[03:00] <cleric_preston> J2: I do, but it's 2 GB and the win7 file is 3.3GB.
[03:00] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: as a brainstorm moderator I can tell you your idea won't get approved since we already told you the recommended method of enabling DVD support is NOT by using medibuntu
[03:01] <Young> it is fun thought i use irc just several days....
[03:01] <naj42181> napalm54: did a power cycle and it hasn't changed anything
[03:01]  * DarwinSurvivor
[03:01] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: does that do mp3s as well?
[03:01] <J2> cleric_preston, DVD not possible?
[03:01] <napalm54> So why does Ubuntu use empathy instead of pidgin by default?
[03:01] <diamonds> and most other proprietary media?
[03:01] <diamonds> or do I have to do them all piecemeal?
[03:01] <J2> napalm54, same reason they use Rhythmbox
[03:01] <cleric_preston> J2: No, it doesn't read burned DVDs, btw don't ever buy a vaio laptop. lol
[03:01] <J2> Distributor preference
[03:01] <J2> lo cleric_preston
[03:01] <gaelfx> napalm54: I believe it's because of voice/video support, that and Empathy is part of the gnome apps
[03:01] <myhero> Huawei Data Card driver is given for fedora, mandriva and opensuse...can it be installed on ubuntu ?
[03:01] <Young> Quantum_Ion: thanks anyway....^^
[03:02] <diamonds> anyway why shouldn't my idea be approved?? My suggestion is just "make this process less painless"
[03:02] <naj42181> anyone have advice for getting my wireless adapter to not kick off the internet every 30 seconds?
[03:02] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: You can watch DVD's, play MP3's and do just about *anything* without ever touching medibuntu. I say this as someone who DOES all those things and has *never* used medibuntu
[03:02] <J2> I'm going to repeat my question, as  i believe it got buried.
[03:02] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: what is your point?
[03:02] <rizqy> hyyyyyy
[03:02] <J2> What do i need to do to get my computer to see my other monitor? I have the proprietary drivers installed, but it won't see my ohter monitor, and labels the one it does as a Laptop. This is a desktop.
[03:02] <napalm54> naj42181: Sorry the power cycle did not work
[03:02] <sary> KBentley57: Might wanna check it .. perhaps you're missing on something .
[03:02] <diamonds> as a novice user I was directed to medibuntu, it worked
[03:02] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:02] <cleric_preston> J2: I saw on a forum it said that it was possible so tell me some other software for burning ISO files on USBs.
[03:02] <J2> naj42181, Does that happen on any other OS?
[03:02] <naj42181> i'm dual booting on this machine and have never had issues before ubuntu
[03:02] <dr_willis> myhero:  it  comes as source? .deb? or how. there may be ppas out for the drivers  allready
[03:03] <roasted> Question - I'm trying to shut down via terminal without needing the root password. I found a few ways to do this, but nothing works. I tried chmod u+s /sbin/shutdown as well as editing the /etc/sudoers file for NOPASSWD /sbin/shutdown -h now. Any other ideas?
[03:03] <GraemeLion> diamonds: And it works well, but there are alternatives. :D
[03:03] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: my point is you idea is complaining about somthing not working when the method you are doing is in no way recommended in the first place
[03:03] <erujolc> where do i configure /var/run
[03:03] <gaelfx> naj42181: what type of wireless card do you have?
[03:03] <J2> cleric_preston, i don't know. I always use unetbootin
[03:03] <erujolc> as settings dont surivve a reboot
[03:03] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: this is ridiculous... the UX is currently "very bad" vis-a-vis proprietary codecs
[03:03] <diamonds> I'm suggesting addressing this and my suggestion won't even be approved for consideration?
[03:03] <naj42181> gaelfx: honestly i couldn't tell you, it's an integrated card on an asus laptop
[03:04] <myhero> dr_willis: its a usb broadband data card model huawei EC122.....its driver are given inside it....i searched huawei site but no help..!!!
[03:04] <gaelfx> naj42181: do lspci | grep wireless
[03:04] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: if you follow the recommended methods of enabling restricted codesc (which I've posted a URL for twice), they will NOT be EVER affected by an upgrade
[03:04] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: didn't you direct me to brainstorm?
[03:04] <gaelfx> naj42181: in terminal that is
[03:04] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: OK, I hear you.  I got the advice from a couple linux savvy friends, apparently not that savvy
[03:04] <dr_willis> myhero:  'given inside it' means very little to me. Id check the forums and the askubuntu.com site to see if others have set it up
[03:04] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: yes, but I didn't know you were going to be putting up an idea about medibuntu (which in my opinion is an ugly hack)
[03:05] <GraemeLion> diamonds: That was me, I'm afraid.   I still think there is value in allowing users to re-enable disabled PPAs
[03:05] <diamonds> DarwinSurvivor: any 3rd party ppas
[03:05] <diamonds> GraemeLion: I'll find out soon enough :)
[03:05] <dr_willis> with each release - medibuntu gets less and less needed. ;) which is a good thing.
[03:06] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: if your idea is about PPA's in general, then there's no issue, but stuff about codecs really doesn't belong in the rational.
[03:06] <diamonds> ok
[03:06] <GraemeLion> diamonds: So make it more general :D
[03:06] <diamonds> well the install instructions don't address 12.x
[03:06] <diamonds> "For Ubuntu 9.04 (Karmic Koala) and Newer (10.04LTS Lucid Lynx, 10.10 Maverick Meerkat, 11.04 Natty Narwhal) "
[03:06] <Gunz4MiPPle> is ffmpeg still without mp3 support or did they fix it
[03:06] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: either way, we're getting off topic here, so we can continue the discussion in the comments section, the mailing list or #brainstorm, you pick which one :)
[03:07] <dr_willis> Gunz4MiPPle:  if its not inluded - it would most likely bee for legal reasons
[03:07] <diamonds> #brainstorm is empty
[03:07] <Gunz4MiPPle> i used to have to run this complicated involved script
[03:07] <DarwinSurvivor> diamonds: oops, my bad that's #ubuntu-brainstorm :P
[03:07] <L3top> I again think that re-enabling ppas may not be possible in circumstances where the <distro> changes, as I believe the keys will be different... though I am not sure.
[03:08] <naj42181> #ubuntu gael: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 (rev 5f)
[03:08] <L3top> s/distro/codename/
[03:08] <GraemeLion> L3top: Programmatically, it shouldn't be that difficult.  add-apt-repository does all that now automatically.
[03:08] <gaelfx> just noticed that the terminal hotkey for switching tabs conflicts with irssi's hotkey for switching chats :S
[03:08] <DarwinSurvivor> L3top: that could very well be.
[03:08] <naj42181> gaelfx: 04:00.5 Ethernet controller: JMicron Technology Corp. JMC250 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[03:08] <GraemeLion> L3top: So if the concern is automatically doing something that approves trust, we already do it :P
[03:08] <DarwinSurvivor> gaelfx: use Esc, # to switch in irssi then (that's what I do)
[03:09] <naj42181> gaelfx: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 (rev 5f)
[03:11] <gaelfx> DarwinSurvivor: nice, thanks :D
[03:11] <Gunz4MiPPle> naj42181: did you try running restriced drivers
[03:12] <Gunz4MiPPle> err additional drivers
[03:12] <Young> hi all
[03:12] <naj42181> gunz4mipple: no, how would i go about doing that? i'm not a total noob but this is my first time trying to run linux since college
[03:12] <omac>  hey yng
[03:13] <Gunz4MiPPle> naj42181: its in the dash if yer running unity
[03:13] <systemd0wn> Question, Just installed 12.04 (fresh). After install, goes to reboot and hangs. Just sits after "Asking all remaining processes to terminate..."
[03:13] <quixotedon> http://askubuntu.com/q/129059/59010 is a link to question i asked about hibernation error messages.. :)
[03:13] <quixotedon> napalm54: i just installed icedtea java plugin, what next?
[03:14] <dcv> hi , im using using ubuntu 12.04 on Dell xps 14 . The issue is that even though I have a nvidia card, the additional driver menu is not showing the proprietary driver needed ie showing that there is no nvidia card
[03:14] <napalm54> quixotedon: Go to a website where you were having problems with the java applet loading
[03:14] <gaelfx> naj42181: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1424177 have a look at that, maybe their instructions will work
[03:14] <omac> sysdwn ...reboot now
[03:14] <L3top> dcv: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[03:15] <naj42181> gaelfx: thanks, ill read up on that
[03:15] <dcv> L3top:  the card is not shown there
[03:15] <quixotedon> napalm54: okay, i'll have to join a webinar session, but i don't think that's available now, should i report you later soon after i find one? :)
[03:15] <gaelfx> naj42181: btw, are you talking about connecting to a wireless network or a 3G/4G network?
[03:15] <omac> sysdwn what hw r u running 12.04 on?
[03:15] <dcv> L3top: it is showing only the intel cadr
[03:15] <naj42181> gaelfx: wireless network
[03:16] <napalm54> quixotedon: Well I am guessing other java applets were not loading if that one was not.
[03:16] <L3top> dcv: You may have to disable your onboard card in bios
[03:16] <napalm54> quixotedon: So I would try out a few java applets and see if they load
[03:16] <naj42181> gunz4mipple: i found a system test in the dash?
[03:16] <dcv> L3top:  ok
[03:16] <roasted> Question - I'm trying to shut down via terminal without needing the root password. I found a few ways to do this, but nothing works. I tried chmod u+s /sbin/shutdown as well as editing the /etc/sudoers file for NOPASSWD /sbin/shutdown -h now. Any other ideas?
[03:16] <quixotedon> napalm54: okay, will inform you soon
[03:16] <shadykhan> any way to install xfce without xubuntu?
[03:17] <xangua> !minimal | shadykhan
[03:17] <Gunz4MiPPle> naj42181: its called additional drivers, but if that doesn't work, try the link gaelfx posted
[03:17] <Gunz4MiPPle> naj42181: actually its called jockey-gtk if you wanna run it from a terminal
[03:17] <aeon-ltd> roasted: you can do similar things for the halt command (which is essentially the same as shutdown -h)
[03:17] <fishcooker> hello fellas
[03:17] <fishcooker> i've /home
[03:18] <fishcooker> but i can't access my home directory again
[03:18] <pengw> apt-get install xface
[03:18] <pengw> you can do that
[03:18] <fishcooker> there is a folder name ".ecryptfs"
[03:18] <xangua> !info xfce4
[03:18] <xangua> and install xfce4 shadykhan
[03:18] <fishcooker> AFAIK  i've lost my home directory
[03:18] <mortal_> hey guys does whole disk encryption still require the alternate installer?
[03:19] <naj42181> gunz4mipple: nothing comes up when i run additional drivers, says none are installed and shows a black page
[03:19] <fishcooker> yes i've encrypted the home directory
[03:19] <Draton> Hey guys, I was just working w/ Fyodorovna on a boot problem.  I chroot'd into my ubuntu system part. but it doesn't seem to want to install grub
[03:19] <Draton> bails out w/ the error "error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)"
[03:19] <omac> shutdown -P now
[03:21] <omac> rtfm grub update
[03:21] <Draton> already tried omac, same error ;)
[03:21] <gaelfx> holy cow, openbox is AWESOME
[03:22] <ohmac> Pear Linux is sexy.
[03:22] <ohmac> SEXY
[03:22] <Young> Young: where are you?
[03:22] <Gunz4MiPPle> naj42181: then yhou should follow the instructions on that webpage, it looks like that card is well supported, with drivers, but for somereason they are not in the repos
[03:23] <naj42181> gunz4mipple: gaelfx: i appreciate the help, ill try to manually install a new driver
[03:23] <rolo> someone pls help me install ubuntu 12.04 with a usb drive i tried yumi and shs thereit but it always goes to a fucking syslinux 4.03 copyright screen and stays there
[03:23] <gaelfx> naj42181: unfortunately, that's probably your best option. It'll probably make it to the repos eventually though
[03:24] <Gunz4MiPPle> i have to manually update my airlink dongle every time we get a new kernel
[03:24] <sary> Gunz4MiPPle: perhaps the drive is blaklisted!
[03:24] <Gunz4MiPPle> sary it could be!
[03:24] <sary> rolo: have you checked the iso hashes with md5sum !
[03:24] <quixotedon> napalm54: this is it: webex
[03:24] <omac> rolo:  usb-creator
[03:24] <gaelfx> Gunz4MiPPle: you could make a script if you're expecting a lot of kernel updates ;)
[03:25] <ClientAlive> why don't I have an .xinitrc? I have x installed on the system and now I need to do something with that file. It's not in ~/ or /etc   What the heck?
[03:25] <jrib> ClientAlive: why do you believe you need to do something with that file?
[03:25] <sary> Gunz4MiPPle: whats the driver for ?
[03:25] <Gunz4MiPPle> gaelfx: its only one command, but I always close my eyes in case its not going to compile
[03:25] <ClientAlive> bc I want my window manager to start when the computer boots
[03:26] <fishcooker> i've lost my home directory after using encryption on my home
[03:26] <fishcooker> TT
[03:26] <jrib> !encrypt | fishcooker
[03:26] <jrib> fishcooker: that page explains how to access an encrypted home
[03:26] <Gunz4MiPPle> sary: airlink wifi card which is a realtek 8192cu
[03:26] <quixotedon> napalm54: adobeconnect works fine!! wow!! that's another webinar that didn't work with me.. :)
[03:26] <omac> rolo: if you don't have iso, then use dd to extract it from cd
[03:26] <erujolc> doesnt seem to list to /etc/tmpfiles.d/
[03:26] <jrib> ClientAlive: you want to enable automatic log-in?
[03:27] <erujolc> list-> listen
[03:27] <fishcooker> jrib thanks
[03:27] <gaelfx> Gunz4MiPPle: ah, guess I never considered it to be so easy
[03:28] <jrib> ClientAlive: this site seems to have sane, detailed instructions for enabling automatic log-in: http://go4xpert.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-to-enable-auto-login-under-ubuntu.html
[03:28] <ClientAlive> jrib: no. It is a minimal, base system. I log in on the command line. If I add "exec awesome" to .xinitrc I understand that awesome wm will start when the system boots, after I log in.
[03:28] <fishcooker> jrib actually my home have gone
[03:28] <ClientAlive> but there is no .xinitrc
[03:28] <jrib> ClientAlive: that's not true.
[03:28] <fishcooker> i don't know where
[03:28] <fishcooker> but on my /home
[03:28] <ClientAlive> really?
[03:28] <gaelfx> I think I'm having a linuxgasm over openbox
[03:28] <jrib> fishcooker: it's encrypted (in /home/.encryptfs)
[03:29] <jrib> ClientAlive: yeah, what would make X start?
[03:29] <fishcooker> ok i will dig in
[03:29] <fishcooker> thanks jrib
[03:29] <ClientAlive> startx
[03:29] <escott> fishcooker, with encrypted home the ciphertext is stored in a hidden directory in /home/username/.ecryptfs. the keys and some config information are stored in /home/.ecryptfs, and the cleartext is mounted on top of the /home/username folder
[03:29] <jrib> ClientAlive: then yes, create a ~/.xinitrc and put whatever you want in there.  It will be executed when you issue "startx"
[03:29] <ClientAlive> I'm told that starx w/o any arg will look for .xinitrc and read from it
[03:30] <quixotedon> napalm54: thanks, i think they work fine now.. :)
[03:30] <omac> client alive: service lightdm restart
[03:30] <napalm54> quixotedon: No problem
[03:30] <adarax> hi everyone
[03:31] <fishcooker> but in my /home/username/ there is no ~/.ecryptfs
[03:31] <ClientAlive> well what good would that do me then? Then I need to script a way to run starx when I log in. Then I need to... to run that and so on and so on, what? add infinitum?
[03:31] <quixotedon> napalm54: ubuntu sure ROCKS!! and almost saying more goodbye to windows.. >:-)
[03:31] <fishcooker> escott:
[03:31] <escott> fishcooker, sorry its /home/username/.Private https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[03:31] <adarax> windows is shit
[03:31] <napalm54> quixotedon: Same, but sadly games run a lot better on Windows (for now)
[03:31] <ClientAlive> what's a guy gotta do?
[03:31] <adarax> get both
[03:32] <jrib> ClientAlive: umm, call startx in your login script...
[03:32] <zenocon> hi, i think i'm having openssl issues b/c of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/986147 -- is there a good way to patch my 12.04 to get around it?
[03:32] <ClientAlive> my login script?
[03:32] <omac> if your net config isn't ok, the gui login takes about a minute or two display. b patient
[03:32] <jrib> ClientAlive: but really you should just use lightdm and have automatically log you in imo
[03:32] <fishcooker> sounds relieving escott
[03:32] <sm1th> can someone please tell me where i need to add conky to start up after my DE?
[03:32] <jrib> ClientAlive: for your shell, yes
[03:32] <sm1th> can someone please tell me where i need to add conky to start up after my DE? on startup preferably
[03:33] <Areckx> I am having problems using my iPhone as a webcam
[03:33] <escott> sm1th, run "gnome-session-properties" and add it there
[03:33] <missuse> anyone here know how to check which programm is using the internet ?
[03:33] <ClientAlive> If I understand what that means, I don't want to automatically log in. I want to have to enter the credentials. But what about this login script? What is that?
[03:33] <missuse> which app is downloading stuff fron the internet currently , how to check
[03:33] <young> smlth: $HOME/.conkyrc
[03:33] <jrib> ClientAlive: what shell are you using?
[03:33] <DarwinSurvivor> smit5898: depends on which DE you are using
[03:33] <ClientAlive> bash
[03:34] <Areckx> I have webcamviewer installed, I was unable to run a tarball of .60
[03:34] <sm1th> ok i found the start up applications thanks guys
[03:34] <Areckx> so I installed .57
[03:34] <gaelfx> any suggestions on a battery monitor applet for awn?
[03:35] <jrib> ClientAlive: you can use ~/.bash_profile and probably ~/.profile too.  You'll have to decide with how you want to deal with occasions where you don't actually want X to start...
[03:35] <Areckx> I have iwebcamera installed on my iPhone
[03:35] <omac> missuse netstat -a
[03:35] <ClientAlive> hmm...  ok. Do you happen to have a resource I can learn more?
[03:35] <Areckx> I followed the steps on this webpage http://www.kudanai.com/2010/11/howto-use-your-iphone-as-webcam-in.html
[03:36] <jrib> ClientAlive: not really.  If you want to learn about what your shell does on startup, you can check out « man bash ».  For this specific use-case, googling "bash_profile startx" will probably turn up some decent information
[03:36] <ClientAlive> right on
[03:36] <ClientAlive> thx man
[03:36] <young> i have joined several channels, how to exit some channels, by the way, i am using irssi, thanks!
[03:37] <netsmith2012> hi again
[03:37] <netsmith2012> I just wanted to thank the folks who responded to my question a couple hours ago.
[03:38] <netsmith2012> I had to be away from my desk. But when I returned I was able to scroll back and get the replies. Thanks again if you are still online.
[03:38] <sary> does look in the configuration line: does it show a wireless device with its driver name !
[03:38] <sm1th> Does anyone know if there is a free vnc that will do encrypted connections with enterprise vnc?
[03:38] <sary> Gunz4MiPPle: whats the output of lshw -C network .
[03:39] <NimeshNeema> sm1th: try Remmina Remote Desktop Client
[03:39] <DarwinSurvivor> !vnc | smit5898
[03:39] <DarwinSurvivor> !vnc | sm1th
[03:40] <DarwinSurvivor> oops, sorry smit5898
[03:40] <sary> I must be lag! no text ..
[03:40] <ClientAlive> jrib: man startx says that starx is a front end for xinit
[03:40] <jrib> ClientAlive: this is true
[03:40] <NimeshNeema> !FreeNX
[03:42] <Fudge> hi is there an op that could invite jamieipad to channel plz
[03:43] <mi3> !crunchbang
[03:43] <Fudge> !invite jamieipad
[03:47] <ClientAlive> continuing to read that man page, I also see what you were saying. Just bc I may have exec awesome in .xinitrc doesn't mean startx is going to get executed after I log in. For that I need to do something to make that happen. The man page tells me .xinitrc is in /etc/X11/xinit which is not where everyone else on the internet says it is. Weird.
[03:47] <ClientAlive> sure enough, there it is
[03:47] <gaelfx> what command do you run for lm-sensors to check which sensors are available?
[03:47] <DarwinSurvivor> ClientAlive: /etc/X11/xinit is the system default. ~/.xinitrc is the user-specific override.
[03:47] <gaelfx> also how do you get a command to run in the background even after you've closed the terminal
[03:47] <gdeeble> gaelfx, if I remember right it's sensors-detect.
[03:47] <gdeeble> but I'm not sure about background runnign
[03:47] <ClientAlive> ahh...  I see. So it sounds like where I choose to locate that file will depend on how I want to use it. If I use the sytem default then it will run independent of all/ any users. If I create it in a/an home directory it will only apply to that user.
[03:47] <DarwinSurvivor> ClientAlive: the archlinux wiki has a very good page about launching X via different methods. They should all work on ubuntu as well https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Boot
[03:47] <lurraca> Hi,
[03:48] <lurraca> I upgraded to 12.04 LTS and now my x wont start
[03:48] <ClientAlive> sweet!
[03:48] <lurraca> i can log using tty
[03:48] <DarwinSurvivor> lucian: step 1) pastebin the errors you are getting
[03:48] <DarwinSurvivor> lurraca: step 1) pastebin the errors you are getting
[03:48] <zivester> why do most DE's put the "bar" at the top?... I can understand unity is built that way because its like OSX sharing real estate... but xfce, gnome 2.x... why?
[03:48] <DarwinSurvivor> grr autocomplete :(
[03:49] <gaelfx> gdeeble: thanks
[03:49] <lurraca> that's the weird thing im not having any errors
[03:49] <hokachu> After installing my screen goes purple, and then black, and then does nothing. Anyone know how to fix that?
[03:49] <DarwinSurvivor> zivester: because that's the least "jarring" to new users. *most* DE's allow you to customize it (kde, lxde, xfce all allow it to change)
[03:49] <escott> gaelfx, you can disown it
[03:49] <motherbrain> does anybody out there no where I can get lsb-core what repo I am on ubuntu based machine but when I use synaptic or apt-get I don't see anything
[03:49] <sm1th> im sorry but what is pastebin?
[03:50] <newb__> Hi, really need some help here.
[03:50] <DarwinSurvivor> !pastebin | sm1th
[03:50] <newb__> Have been browsing trough the forums for past two days with no luck
[03:50] <escott> !details | newb__
[03:50] <ClientAlive> I need to think through this deal about times where I may not want my wm to start up. Not necessarily sure I can even think of such a case though.
[03:51] <gaelfx> escott: how's that?
[03:51] <motherbrain>  does anybody out there no where I can get lsb-core what repo I am on ubuntu based machine but when I use synaptic or apt-get I don't see anything
[03:51] <DarwinSurvivor> ClientAlive: if you use the first example of the archwiki page, X will only launch when you go into TTY1, you can use any other TTY normally
[03:52] <newb__> I have a problem with my dvd drive. PRobably a problem with the lens. I don't need the drive right now, so haven't replaced it.
[03:52] <nydel> would somebody help me with an issue? i'm running ubuntu on a laptop that has global media control keys. but i can't get them to work with the player i use.
[03:52] <newb__> I installed ubuntu from pen drive
[03:52] <Pritam> can anyone help me set-up my M-audio delta 1010lt sound card with Ubuntu 10.10
[03:52] <gaelfx> escott: I thought there was a character like & after the command that would allow it to stay running after terminal is closed
[03:52] <zivester> DarwinSurvivor: buy I've been asking myself why.. just because it's been that way?  I took a chance and moved it to the bottom recently... and because of apps like chrome, it makes the most sense to have it at the bottom (like windows).. much easier to navigate to the top right to close, or to go to a chrome tab.. etc
[03:52] <newb__> It installed smoothly.
[03:52] <Pritam> I get no sound
[03:52] <DarwinSurvivor> motherbrain: why do you need lsb-core?
[03:52]  * zivester s/buy/but/
[03:52] <motherbrain> to install google earth
[03:52] <ClientAlive> DarwinSurvivor: That seems like a good thing.
[03:53] <escott> gaelfx, so there are a couple different ways to get things running in the background. one is the shells job control "program &" or if it is already running "ctrl-z" then "bg". sometimes when you logout of that shell the process will terminate because its parent terminates in which case you can "disown" the process with the disown command. some programs will "disown" their parents and so disown has no effect
[03:53] <newb__> But, now it gets stuck at some "scsi Lite on DVD RW ..." while booting
[03:53] <blendedbychris> um to upgrade from lucid to precise should i not be able to do do-release-upgrade?
[03:53] <Pritam> any m-audio users here ?
[03:53] <newb__> I tried many boot params, acpi=off nomodeset and so on.. none worked
[03:53] <motherbrain> whenever I try to install google earth on this linux machine I get a dependency issue say something that I don't have that needed package installed
[03:53]  * nydel is an m-audio firewire 410 user
[03:53] <gaelfx> escott: thanks :D
[03:53] <DarwinSurvivor> zivester: pretty much. most DE's haven't had a major facelift in a long time. gnome, kde and unity are the only real "facelifted" ones out there (except maybe enlightenment if they ever finished it)
[03:53] <newb__> So, I unplugged the drive and tried and it works like a charm!
[03:53] <nydel> Pritam: i'm. firewire 410.
[03:54] <escott> gaelfx, there is also nohup which prevents the hangup signal from being sent to the process
[03:54] <newb__> but, I don't want to do that all the tiem
[03:54] <Pritam> delta 1010lt is a pci card
[03:54] <young> exit
[03:54] <Pritam> i followed alot of threads and the sound drivers are loading
[03:54] <DarwinSurvivor> !googleearth | motherbrain
[03:54] <ClientAlive> Another thing I plan to do with this system is get rid of apparmor and get selinux instead. What I'm unsure of is how that will effect scripts/ customizations I do. So a big question I've had is what order to do these projects in. Should I do selinux first or tweak/ configure first? What am I really facing here?
[03:54] <Pritam> am using envy24control
[03:54] <gaelfx> escott: disown did it, apparently, so awesome :D
[03:54] <Pritam> but the sound meters don't show any activity
[03:55] <newb__> waxorr
[03:55] <escott> gaelfx, now that you have disowned the process parent is init, so if you logout it should keep running
[03:56] <gaelfx> escott: oh, so maybe not the best solution, strictly speaking?
[03:56] <naj42181> Note: The iwlwifi driver has been merged into mainline kernel since 2.6.24. If you are using kernels after this release, please use the intree (drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi) driver directly.
[03:56] <newb__> escott: anyway I can bypass so that ubuntu wont notice my dvd rw
[03:57] <escott> gaelfx, honestly ive never been that clear on what the difference is between disown/nuhup, and its gets confusing in a gui because many gui apps when started from a x11 terminal will separate themselves from the terminals bash session (which is smart you dont want to start some gui program in a terminal, close the terminal and lose your gui program), but it makes things confusing and hard to figure out what does what
[03:57] <Dan39> ubuntu 11.10, with KDE installed. is there some way /home partition becoming 100% full could cause directories/files to be removed?
[03:58] <gaelfx> escott: agreed, it is confusing :D
[03:58] <motherbrain> well, I will try to see if it is listed in my synaptic and if not probably just add a repo and it should work/show up. ... But I am curious why I cann't just download the .deb package on there site
[03:58] <Pritam> @nydel is it possible for you to share the settings you have on the alsamixer
[03:58] <escott> newb__, never heard of that problem, and im not sure what might be happening. can you be more specific about what the last thing you saw was?
[03:59] <gaelfx> is there a key combo that allows you to grab a windo by clicking it so you can move it?
[03:59] <pengw> hi all
[04:00] <nydel> @Pritam i don't understand, but my firewire410 works, if you'd like to msg me & tell me how to help i'd be obliged
[04:00] <escott> gaelfx, another good alternative is to use screen. screen can start a terminal that will run in the background so you can always control your applications (and migrate them from terminal to terminal)
[04:00] <pengw> i want to know how to install pappy to my usb pen driver via ubuntu
[04:00] <motherbrain> also when I try installing google-earth-stable 0.6.1 thru synaptic I get this Package google-earth-stable has no available version, but exists in the database.
[04:00] <motherbrain> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list
[04:00] <Dan39> anybody? :\
[04:01] <Pritam> sure @nydel i would appreciate that , but I think I am connected to this channel using webchat and I doubt if I can pm
[04:01] <newb__> escott: scsi 4:0:0:0: CD-ROM LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1H LL06 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 this is the line it used to get stuck, when my dvd drive was plugged
[04:01] <naj42181_> installed the tar file from the forums, still no luck. noticed the intellinuxwireless website now says this: Note: The iwlwifi driver has been merged into mainline kernel since 2.6.24. If you are using kernels after this release, please use the intree (drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi) driver directly.
[04:01] <motherbrain> Though I am able to install the googleearth-package one
[04:01] <DarwinSurvivor> gaelfx: hold alt and drag to move a window
[04:01] <pengw> dd is not working if i do : dd if=puppy.is  of =/dev/sdx
[04:01] <nydel> ok @Pritam can you email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:02] <escott> newb__, odd. sounds like the kernel is getting stuck while enumerating devices.
[04:02] <Pritam> yes sure
[04:02] <gaelfx> DarwinSurvivor: perfect, thanks :D
[04:02] <motherbrain> no this is not going to work google earth for my current I am on debian based systems and I don't want to switch over to the rpm /  redhat system
[04:03] <L3top> pengw: are you trying to put the live iso onto a thumb or are you trying to actually perform an install onto a thumbdrive?
[04:03] <escott> gaelfx, this seems to describe the differences fairly well http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3886/difference-between-nohup-disown-and
[04:03] <pengw> put the live onto a thumb
[04:04] <newb__> escott: should a device keep running while enumerating, coz maybe the device jsut stops...
[04:04] <L3top> !unetbootin | pengw
[04:04] <lurraca> Hi
[04:04] <newb__> escott: Most of the dvds or cds don't run on it.. It's almost useless
[04:04] <escott> newb__, i've never heard of this and im just guessing based off the one line you sent. if you could provide some more context. like what happens before that last line you see
[04:05] <pengw> but what is wrong with dd
[04:05] <areckx_> I am trying to use my iphone as a webcam and mic for Skype on my Ubuntu 10.04 machine. Using the iPhone app for Skype is limited, and can only see my own video, and not the caller's, plus if I want to look at the camera, I am unable to look at the screen.
[04:05] <areckx_> I have iwebcamera installed on my iPhone,
[04:05] <newb__> escott: I am not sure where I can get the boot information.. If you could shed some light on it..
[04:06] <escott> gaelfx, and this is a little more friendly of an explanation http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32574/when-do-you-need-nohup-if-youre-already-forking-using
[04:06] <Areckx> I am trying to use my iphone as a webcam and mic for Skype on my Ubuntu 10.04 machine. Using the iPhone app for Skype is limited, and can only see my own video, and not the caller's, plus if I want to look at the camera, I am unable to look at the screen. I have iWebcamera installed on my iPhone.
[04:06] <Areckx> (sorry for repeat, was on wrong nickname)
[04:07] <escott> newb__, can you type in the last 5 lines you see when it hangs
[04:08] <L3top> Areckx: This isn't really an ubuntu issue. If someone HAPPENS to be using that sort of setup they MAY be able to help... but this seems to be more an issue with the applications you are using.
[04:09] <Areckx> I should ask in an iPhone channel
[04:09] <L3top> probably skype frankly
[04:09] <tohuw> My scroll wheel is backwards (like OS X)... how can I fix this? X_X
[04:10] <escott> tohuw, if its not in the mouse preferences you can probably flip the axis with the xinput command line utilities
[04:10] <tohuw> escott: it isn't. I'll check man for xinput, thanks.
[04:11] <ClientAlive> well wait a min DarwinSurvivor: If I want my wm to start when I log in as <user>, and I set the system up to run in tin tty1, then I have to be sure that it's tty1 that I enter by default when I log in as <user>, right? Either that or I need to find out which tty is the default and use that one?
[04:13] <ClientAlive> DarwinSurvivor: ?
[04:14] <escott> ClientAlive, whats so bad about running a display manager?
[04:15] <anonymouspenguin> hello
[04:15] <ikt> hi
[04:15] <WoC> Anyone who knows anything about a possible release of ubuntu for Android ?
[04:15] <pmp6nl> Hello all, what should the permissions be for /home /username /public_html etc?  Thanks
[04:15] <WoC> 755 pmp6nl
[04:16] <tohuw> pmp6nl: That depends on what you are trying to do.
[04:16] <tohuw> WoC: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[04:16] <pmp6nl> For all of them WoC ? Is that a good way to setup the public_html folders?  tohuw I am trying to just create a standard apache webserver.  I will put typical html/php files in public_html
[04:18] <ClientAlive> escott: Don't have any way to answer that. I'm looking at what a dm is for the first time right now. Two things I do know for sure though (dm or not) - (1) it's probably good for me to learn more about the nuts and bolts of my system, and (2) I want to run very light with this system - which in turn facilitates (1)
[04:18] <newb__> escott: This is not exactly the failed boot message, but I can tell you where it gets stuck though
[04:18] <newb__> http://pastebin.com/6KEWVQL3
[04:19] <anonymouspenguin> I had been running 12.04 wubi install on my m17x. compiz worked well, but when I removed the wubi install and did a regular install beside win 7 compiz would no long work. I think the nvidia driver wasnt working
[04:19] <KBentley57> anonymouspenguin, did you use the nVidia binary driver?
[04:20] <tohuw> pmp6nl: You need to understand what the permissions do before you go tossing them out willy-nilly. Read man chmod and info coreutils 'chmod invocation'
[04:20] <newb__> escott: It gets stuck somewhere around 2.7 secs
[04:20] <anonymouspenguin> not sure which one it was. I ran some command line i found and it said I had the current one
[04:22] <escott> newb__, that definitely sounds like an enumeration issue. im not sure how you debug this, short of trying different kernel versions and builds
[04:23] <tohuw> anonymouspenguin: Check jockey ("Additional Drivers") and seey what it offers you.
[04:23] <newb__> escott: Hmm, I am actually updating to 12.04 right now... hope it works...
[04:23] <pmp6nl> tohuw, I understand them from a shared hosting perspective, I suppose I will read up more.
[04:23] <anonymouspenguin> it comes up blank
[04:24] <Shoozza> Where do I get the libgdk_pixbuf-2.0
[04:24] <Shoozza>  package for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and how do I install it? I need it for compiling with Lazarus/FPC.
[04:24] <anonymouspenguin> any idea why it worked fine on a wubi install?
[04:26] <marbles> anyone have any success installing ubuntu 12.4 amd-64 on asus p8z68-v pro?
[04:27] <Pritam> @nydel i have mailed you the issue i am facing
[04:27] <escott> Shoozza, is it not in libgtk-2.0-dev
[04:28] <nydel> @Pritam thank you, i see it, i am getting a few things finished up then i'll take a look, i hope i can help. expect a reply within two hours
[04:28] <escott> !find libgdk-pixbuf | Shoozza
[04:30] <tohuw> pmp6nl: It may be helpful to you to know (if you do not yet) the user and group apache use. This is specified in your apache configuration. The default in Ubuntu is nobody:www-data
[04:30] <Pritam> thanks @nydel
[04:31] <pmp6nl> tohuw, ok, thank you
[04:31] <tohuw> anonymouspenguin: because Wubi uses a virtual video driver. Think of it more like VMWare/Virtualbox and less like a standalone OS.
[04:31] <anonymouspenguin> ok
[04:32] <VirtualBlackness> anonymouspenguin: what is the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:33] <theG33k> I need help
[04:36] <theG33k> I've been running Ubuntu 11.10. I tried to upgrade to 12.04 yesterday - from the update manager. After all the packages were downloaded, the package installation started, but at 50%, the screen abruptly went black. The system shut down automatically. Now, I couldn't boot. Please help!
[04:37] <anonymouspenguin> im on a different computer, I went to boot back into windows on the system with a problem and could no longer boot windows. so I restored the mbr, and just left my partitions as is and did another wubi install while I figure it out.
[04:38] <theG33k> My ubuntu installation is stuck. And i cannot boot my pendrive.
[04:38] <VirtualBlackness> I need to know the card details anonymouspenguin.
[04:38] <DarwinSurvivor> ClientAlive: sorry, was putting something away. TTY1 is the default terminal you will be dropped into if X is not launched at boot time.
[04:38] <VirtualBlackness> why can't you boot to the pendrive theG33k
[04:38] <anonymouspenguin> the output from the wubi install shows the onboard intel controller and the nvidia controller
[04:39] <DarwinSurvivor> !tty | ClientAlive
[04:40] <ClientAlive> DarwinSurvivor: I see. Thx. I sure am learning a lot about this stuff (nuts and bolts of it all) - it's real neat...  :)
[04:40] <anonymouspenguin> vga compatible controller [0300] : NVIDIA corporation Device [10de:1251] (rev a1)
[04:40] <DarwinSurvivor> ClientAlive: good to know you're learning :D
[04:40] <theG33k> i don't know. I've loaded the ISO for 12.04 in it and made the pendrive bootable. I thought I might overwrite the 11.10 installation. But, during boot, after selecting the Pendrive as boot device, it still opens GRUB. No boot from pendrive!
[04:40] <VirtualBlackness> so this is a laptop with a hybrid graphics? Or you have an onboard and a card in a desktop anonymouspenguin
[04:41] <anonymouspenguin> it has onboard intel and a Nvidia. its an alienware M17x
[04:41] <anonymouspenguin> I can give you the intel results also
[04:41] <zenmaster> Do we have any virtual box guru's in here tonight? :D
[04:42] <n00by> theG33k, how did you write the iso to the pendrive?
[04:42] <VirtualBlackness> Ok... well... it is going to boot to intel most likely. To switch to the nvidia you are going to need bumblebee or something similar... i think bumblebee handles the nvidia stuff best
[04:43] <VirtualBlackness> anonymouspenguin: this would be why you showed no nvidia install candidate
[04:43] <theG33k> n00by pendrive linux's Universal USB