[00:11] <fazer> ahayzen, can you check out my task asap, because I'd like to get to work on another task soon.
[00:11] <ahayzen> fazer, yup :-)
[00:13] <fazer> thanks
[15:57] <xcub> Hi balloons, is a screenshot okay for this task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4818117368741888/?sp-page=1 ?
[17:22] <balloons> hey xcub
[17:22] <knome> balloons, you killed him :(
[17:22] <balloons> hai knome!
[17:22] <knome> hello balloons
[17:27] <balloons> thanks for keeping tabs on the new designs -- what do you think overall?
[17:33] <balloons> knome, did you see https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6023557586878464/?sp-page=1?
[18:28] <fazer> elopio, I'm adding another test to snapcraft. I'm trying to squash my commits but when I rebase, my merge upstream commit isn't visible, how can I squash that?
[18:35] <balloons> top ten: 1) MatthewAllen: 36 tasks. 2) malevasquez: 30 tasks. 3) Girish Rawat: 22 tasks. 4) Alex Dueppen: 20 tasks. 5) Aditya: 17 tasks. 6) xcub: 11 tasks. 7) fazerlicourice71256: 8 tasks. 8) McIntireEvan: 8 tasks. 9) Ayush: 7 tasks. 10) Hunter Jarrell: 7 tasks.
[18:36] <balloons> since I can't update the page and haven't in awhile
[18:37] <elopio> fazer: I'm the wrong person to ask about git. I would try git rebase -i master, but it might end up worst. My snapcraft teammates will help you better there.
[18:38] <fazer> elopio, it's ok. I figured it out. My branch is running the travis ci build now, I think it should be ready to merge soon
[18:42] <fazer> balloons, they also take into account the kind of tasks right? like coding vs documentation ?
[18:53] <fazer> ahayzen, for this beginner task: https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/6226596490903552/?sp-organization=4568116747042816&sp-is_beginner=True what exactly do you want me to do? Just pull the weather-app and run the test suite?
[19:00] <malevasquez> balloons, could you give my task a look please?
[19:00] <malevasquez> I would ask gnome but he doesn't seem to be around
[19:01] <malevasquez> knome*
[19:22] <ahayzen> fazer, yup simply build and run the test suite by the looks of it
[19:22] <fazer> ahayzen alright,cool.
[19:22] <fazer> ahayzen, two of the tests are failing. The ones taht I pointed out to you when I was working on my last task.
[19:23] <fazer> Should I get a key and try those? Is that what's wrong?
[19:23] <ahayzen> fazer, they all pass on my device, it is just on jenkins some are failing
[19:23] <ahayzen> fazer, yeah if you try with a key it may fix them, although i'm not sure if just an OWM will be enough
[19:23] <fazer> ahayzen, so what should I do about the task? Just point out that those two fail.
[19:24] <fazer> oh ok, i'll try with a key.
[19:24] <ahayzen> fazer, yeah just comment that, i know that those two will fail without a key, so that's cool
[19:24] <fazer> Ok. awesome.
[19:24] <ahayzen> fazer, it is more the fact that you have shown you can build and run the app/test suite
[19:25] <fazer> yeah, I would think :) . I need the quick extra task though, while another one is getting approved.
[19:28] <fazer> elopio, can you take a look at my Merge proposal? I believe it can be merged.
[19:29] <fazer> elopio: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/245
[20:46] <adueppen> it really is a shame that GCI ends right after most people are finally done with final/semester exams
[20:47] <balloons> adueppen, the timing is a bit rough isn't it?
[20:47] <balloons> the good news is we're still all here after :-)
[22:05] <fazer> Can any of the mentors look at this task, because the listed mentor doesn't seem to be available. https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4831775901614080/?sp-page=1
[22:06] <McIntireEvan> Yeah I had exams this past week, toughest ones Ive ever had, really (being a senior, it makes sense) but either way it's not super important to me to complete a ton of tasks, I know I cant win in terms of tasks completed and its not like I cant continue to contribute after (which I will, because my school schedule is pretty good this last semester)
[22:47] <fazer> popey, ahayzen can you take a look at this task? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5962049209237504/?sp-page=1
[22:48] <ahayzen> fazer, looks good :-)
[22:48] <fazer> cool
[22:48] <ahayzen> fazer, just of interest, did you have to install qtdeclarative5-qtlocation-plugin and qtdeclarative5-qtpositioning-plugin ? to get the app to run ?
[22:50] <fazer> ahayzen, Yes I think I did. It might have been for another app. But I remember doing that fairly recently so it was probably for this one.
[22:50] <ahayzen> fazer, ah cool thanks :-) i've been trying to fix the debian/control files to have the right depends :-)
[22:51] <fazer> ahayzen, can you accept the task?
[22:52] <ahayzen> fazer, yup, just reading the task description, i haven't looked at this one before...
[22:52] <fazer> oh ok. wait.. but how come you're a mentor for it?
[22:53] <ahayzen> fazer, done :-) I got added adhoc to the coreapps tasks :-)
[22:53] <fazer> ahayzen, thanks. Whats adhoc?
[22:54] <ahayzen> fazer, like i was added to them after they were created
[22:54] <fazer> oh ok.


[00:14] <KnightSirThom> brainwash: i will try to find the bugreport, where is it stored?
[00:43] <zack_> hay
[00:43] <zack_> hello
[00:45] <zack_> well if anyone is lisining i need help installing windows (any verson) on my comp. my os is xubuntu 13.04 and im new with it
[00:46] <zack_> anyone
[00:48] <knome> zack_, patience please
[00:48] <zack_> ok
[00:48] <knome> zack_, also, why not ask your question and see if people are able to help?
[00:48] <zack_> i did
[00:49] <knome> can you be a bit more specific
[00:49] <knome> what kind of problem are you experiencing?
[00:49] <zack_> i need help installing windows (any verson) on my comp. my os is xubuntu 13.04 and im new with it
[00:50] <knome> and what is the problem?
[00:50] <zack_> i know my way around windows os not so well with xubuntu 13.04
[00:51] <knome> do you need help installing windows alongside xubuntu, and what kind or problem does that give you? or do you need help with using xubuntu?
[00:51] <zack_> no problam just not good with os stuff
[00:51] <zack_> or command prompt
[00:52] <knome> okay... i'm unsure how i can help you
[00:52] <knome> maybe you want to browse the documentation; http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[00:53] <zack_> guide me thorugh the prosess of installing windows on my comp
[00:54] <zack_> 01101000 01100101 01101100 01110000 00100000 01101101 01100101
[00:56] <IdleOne> zack_: for help with windows you probably want to be asking in ##windows
[00:57] <zack_> i need help installing windows on my current os xubuntu 13.04
[00:57] <IdleOne> that isn't how it works
[00:57] <IdleOne> unless you mean installing windows in a Virtual machine
[00:57] <knome> (or emulating)
[00:57] <zack_> 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01101000 01100101 01101100 01110000 00100000 01101101 01100101
[00:58] <zack_> well i dont know anymore
[00:58]  * not_found doesn't know either
[00:58] <IdleOne> pretty sure most of us don't speak binary, please use English :)
[00:59] <zack_> ok im sorry old habbits
[00:59] <IdleOne> so yeah, figure out what it is exactly you are trying to do then let us know and maybe we can help guide you in the right direction
[00:59] <zack_> it means can you help me
[01:00] <IdleOne> Can't help you without knowing exactly what it is you need help with
[01:02] <zack_> i need help installing windows on my dual core intell prosessor  gateway that curently has xubuntu 13.04 . thats where you come in telling me what disk,flash (etc) on my comp and what commands to type in
[01:04] <knome> zack_, do you have other native language than binary?
[01:04] <zack_> so can you help me ive spent my entire day talking in binary code to program comps but i cant put windows 7 on my comp
[01:04] <zack_> endlish
[01:04] <knome> this isn't the support channel for windows 7.
[01:04] <zack_> some mandran + arabic
[01:05] <zack_> i know that i want windows 7
[01:06] <zack_> can someone tell knome what im trying to tell him
[01:06] <not_found> zack_ do you want to remove Xubuntu and install Windows 7?
[01:07] <zack_> yes
[01:07] <not_found> do you have a Windows 7 DVD?
[01:07] <zack_> no posably
[01:07] <zack_> idk
[01:07] <zack_> im 12
[01:07]  * not_found stops feeding
[01:08] <zack_> what
[01:08] <IdleOne> alright, I think it is time to stop messing around now. We can't help you with Windows
[01:08] <knome> zack_, ask ##windows if you need help installing windows. unless you have a xubuntu-related issue, this is not the place to ask for support.
[01:08] <zack_> what ever
[01:14] <starrats> you do what you got to do knome
[01:14] <knome> yes sir
[01:15] <not_found> :)
[02:37] <fibz_> some peoples children...
[07:00] <userbob2> I was installing virtualbox on xubuntu with apt-get. Just few days ago i notice (apt-get install virtualbox -v) that version of virtualbox is 3.2. When the latest version is 4.3.6 ? Why is that ?
[07:01] <cfhowlett> userbob2, there are at least 2 versions of virtualbox - the one in the repos which may / may not be the very latest and the one you download from oracle .
[07:02] <userbob2> i understand it can't be very latest, but that version in repos is very very old...
[07:03] <userbob2> i dont know few years probably ...
[07:04] <cfhowlett> userbob2, stuff enters the repos at different times.  for the very latest packages, run apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade     and that will usually pull the most recent versions from the available repos
[07:05] <userbob2> upgrade vs dist-upgrade not the same ?
[07:05] <userbob2> i doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | userbob2
[07:09] <userbob2> i know that
[07:09] <userbob2> but it is difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
[07:09] <bazhang> yes
[07:10] <bazhang> see above
[07:11] <userbob2> !dist-upgrade
[07:11] <userbob2> ok
[07:11] <userbob2> !upgrade
[07:11] <bazhang> !info virtualbox
[07:11] <userbob2> thanks i look at that
[07:12] <bazhang> Version 4.2.16  <----- userbob2
[07:13] <userbob2> strange
[07:14] <userbob2> i hope it not difference if i use my country mirrors for update :D ?
[07:14] <bazhang> what mirror
[07:15] <bazhang> what version of xubuntu are you on
[07:17] <userbob2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877579/
[07:18] <bazhang> 13.10?
[07:19] <userbob2> yes
[07:20] <userbob2> not understand this
[07:20] <userbob2> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu  ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to  ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in  ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team.
[07:22] <bazhang>  ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED
[07:22] <bazhang> understand that?
[07:26] <userbob2> yes
[07:31] <userbob2> where i can see xubuntu 13.10 sources.list file ?
[07:33] <baizon> userbob2: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:34] <userbob2> my file is fucked up. i want to see original, not really understand what repositories i must to add
[07:35] <Unit193> No swearing here.
[07:36] <Unit193> It's generated on install, do you have a /etc/apt/sources.list.save ?
[07:38] <userbob2> no i don't have that save file
[07:40] <userbob2> nevermind, im RTFM
[07:42] <bazhang> !rtfm | userbob2
[07:42] <userbob2> :D
[07:42] <userbob2> :D
[07:43] <userbob2> whatever noobz ;)
[07:43] <eitzei> Hi! How often programrepositories are updated in xubuntu?
[07:44] <bazhang> eitzei, which version of xubuntu
[07:46] <eitzei> bazhang: 13.04, why I ask is there is only "old" version of Eclipse.
[07:47] <bazhang> which version did you need eitzei
[07:48] <eitzei> Kepler, but I manage to install it already.
[07:48] <bazhang> version number?
[07:50] <eitzei> bazhanh,4.3
[07:50] <bazhang> Version 3.8.1-4 is in the repos
[08:22] <xubuntu466> Hello?
[08:22] <mapps> hi xubuntu466
[08:22] <xubuntu466> Hi. I'm having problems with installing Xubuntu on an old computer
[08:23] <mapps> whats going wrong pal
[08:24] <xubuntu466> I have made a key with Xubuntu 13.10 with "linux live usb creator".
[08:24] <xubuntu466> I boot it from the computer
[08:24] <mapps> yep
[08:24] <xubuntu466> The screen says "automatic boot in 1,2,3,4,5 seconds"
[08:25] <xubuntu466> and then a list appears, and it just stands like that
[08:26] <mapps> ok
[08:26] <mapps> press enter
[08:26] <mapps> the list has options ya?
[08:26] <xubuntu466> no it's just a kind of log
[08:27] <xubuntu466> no options. nothing hapenes when i press the keyboard
[08:27] <mapps> hm
[08:27] <mapps> any chance of a bit more info of what this list says
[08:27] <xubuntu466> There is a lot.
[08:28] <mapps> hm
[08:28] <mapps> any chance u can provide a link or image
[08:28] <mapps> so i can see
[08:28] <mapps> anything off google or whatever
[08:28] <xubuntu466> Yes. just a sec
[08:31] <xubuntu466> http://i.imgur.com/ZSRmjbV.jpg
[08:32] <mapps> thanks
[08:32] <mapps> sec
[08:32] <xubuntu466> :9
[08:32] <xubuntu466> *:)
[08:32] <mapps> ahh ok so thats when its booting
[08:32] <mapps> 2sec
[08:32] <mapps> whats the las thing it says
[08:32] <xubuntu466> yes, after i have selected the flash drive as the boot device
[08:32] <mapps> yea
[08:33] <xubuntu466> "...stepping: 04)"
[08:35] <mapps> looking now:D
[08:56] <xubuntu466> Find out anything? :) Thank you for helping.
[08:58] <mapps> hey sorry im a bit stumped  it just stop at step04?
[08:59] <xubuntu466> yes
[08:59] <mapps> hmn#
[08:59] <xubuntu466> can it be the cpu?
[08:59] <xubuntu466> or the ram?
[09:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well Stepping 04 is part of the description of the cpu.
[09:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't know if it's relevant to the problem.
[09:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> You would have to know what's happening in that moment.
[09:05] <xubuntu466> So. Any ideas of what I can do? Is there anything I can do in the BIOS to make it work? Or should i run another version of linux?
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> did you try booting with nomodeset?
[09:07] <mapps> what about that noacpi? i remember i had to use that once
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is this a P4/Celeron Socket 478?
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> One option at a time.
[09:07] <xubuntu466> How do i boot with nomodeset?
[09:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> if you mix options now, you won't know what works and what doesn't.
[09:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> is this a live session or a full install?
[09:08] <xubuntu466> full install
[09:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> when the computer first boots, hold shift after the bios posts.
[09:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> You should be able to get the grub menu.
[09:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> You can add and edit options there.
[09:09] <xubuntu466> yes. there now
[09:10] <mapps> yea
[09:11] <mapps> after you can type them
[09:37] <xubuntu466> Now i disabled acpi, and it looks like it's working. There is a blank screen with: "Xubuntu 13.10" and blinking dots beneath.
[09:38] <xubuntu466> The dots are just blinking, and nothing happens
[09:39] <xubuntu466> NOW IT WORKS!
[09:40] <Unit193> \o/
[09:40] <xubuntu466> Thank you for your help :)
[10:00] <mapps> hey
[10:00] <mapps> wait
[10:00] <mapps> i said maybe it was noacpi :P
[10:00] <mapps> ages back
[10:00] <mapps> :P
[10:58] <patteh_> lo all
[10:58] <patteh_> i'm trying to make a launcher that will autoexecute an ssh-login command in terminal
[10:58] <patteh_> which flag do I use before the shh command?
[11:03] <patteh_> nm i worked it out :D
[11:41] <chunhao> hey guys, how can i check the resolution of a video? its not shown in properties of the video
[11:42] <Danilo_Xubuntu> Hi!
[11:43] <Danilo_Xubuntu> is anybody in there?
[11:43] <knome> !anybody | Danilo_Xubuntu
[11:44] <Danilo_Xubuntu> uhm... my wifi doesn't workelp... i was just wonderin for some h
[11:45] <Danilo_Xubuntu> *help
[11:46] <knome> Danilo_Xubuntu, can you please give us some more details... what "doesn't work" exactly? which wifi device?
[11:48] <starrats> not to bother but good morning knome
[13:38] <karl_> hi all
[13:39] <karl_> I am using xubuntu 13,04,  no more support so I have told it via software updater to upgrade me to 13.10  .   Is there a way to see if it is working?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> karl_, see if WHAT is working?
[13:43] <karl_> if the upgrade is working.  The 13.04 software updater  said it was no longer supported.  Asked me if I wanted to upgrade,  I clicked upgrade,  then it just went off and I do not know if it is working now
[13:44] <cfhowlett> karl_, open a terminal and run lsb_release -a    that'll tell you the current version
[13:45] <karl_> raring 13.04
[13:46] <cfhowlett> !upgrade|karl_,
[13:52] <karl_> upgrade does not seem to be supported anymore
[13:53] <karl_> but xubuntu says it is, oh well
[13:54] <cfhowlett> karl_, come to the #ubuntu channel and ask how to upgrade an end of life release.  I've never done and don't know how ...
[13:55] <cfhowlett> karl_, or you could download the ISO and clean install - I'd recommend 12.04 as it's LTS and the new LTS drops in April.
[13:59] <karl_> for reference  sudo do-release-upgrade     did the trick
[13:59] <cfhowlett> karl_, I knew there was a trick to somewhere ...
[15:32] <DGR> Hi guys. It appears HDMI output is broken in 13.10, has anyone found a workaround? (laptop)
[15:43] <DGR> sorry. session timed out. I was asking if anyone has a workaround or fix for the broken HDMI output in 13.10? Thank you.
[15:57] <baizon> DGR: how is it broken?
[15:58] <baizon> it works for me
[16:09] <DGR> When an HDMI cable is plugged in and I hit Fn+F7 I don't get the dialog to share my desktop anymore
[16:09] <DGR> The kernel is seeing the HDMI device as always disconnected.
[16:10] <DGR> And there is a LP bug filed for it but wondering if anyone solved this yet. Looks like a kernel regression.
[16:10] <DGR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1249705
[16:10] <DGR> Yes
[16:10] <DGR> Not just audio, but video too.
[16:10] <DGR> xrandr:
[16:11] <DGR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1249705
[16:11] <DGR> HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[16:38] <Northern> Installing xubuntu on my amd athlon. Installation is taking way longer than Debian or Ubuntu/kuduntu. Is this normal?
[17:44] <kRush> define way longer, I bet you can make debian install for quite a while.. but should be about the same as u/k
[18:14] <dickatirc> there is tty output in classic xubuntu installer, so its possible to see where it get stucked
[18:59] <peyam> hi
[18:59] <peyam> The option "softwares & updates " is gone from setting manager
[18:59] <peyam> how do I fix it
[19:01] <brainwash> peyam: re-install software-properties-gtk
[19:02] <peyam> thank brainwash  :)
[19:04] <Dan_D> Hi there, got a slight issue. On the 'start menu' (button at top left) there is a section called 'Other'. It contains launchers that lead to programs I have deleted. How do I get rid of them? They do not show up in the settings manager!
[19:04] <Dan_D> And speaking of which, how do I generally delete launchers, not from the menu, but from the system generally, so they do not appear in things like the Open With application list when opening new file types
[19:05] <brainwash> 1) check  ~/.local/share/applications/
[19:05] <brainwash> 2) delete the application
[19:05] <Dan_D> How do I get to .local?
[19:06] <brainwash> press ctrl + h
[19:06] <Dan_D> Nothing changed, except hidden files became hidden again
[19:06] <brainwash> so there is no .local folder in your home folder?
[19:06] <Dan_D> Oh, in the home folder?
[19:07] <brainwash> yes
[19:07] <Dan_D> Got it
[19:07] <brainwash> ~ means home folder
[19:07] <Dan_D> So, delete all unwanted launchers?
[19:07] <brainwash> the one you don't need anymore
[19:07] <Dan_D> I can only see some
[19:07] <Dan_D> All the ones I want to get rid of are not there
[19:08] <Dan_D> Also, have to go to dinner now, be back soon
[19:08] <brainwash> ok
[19:10] <brainwash> Dan_D: you might also want to check /usr/share/applications/ which contains the system wide launchers (also the place to look if you don't actually want to delete any application -> question 2)
[19:36] <Dan_D> Ah, back. Thanks brainwash!
[20:35] <taza> Does Xubuntu 13.10 have Fake-PAE installer that doesn't require wizardry?
[20:36] <taza> +a
[20:36] <bekks> Whats "Fake-PAE"?
[20:37] <taza> Uh, it's a long story. If you know the answer, you can understand the question.
[20:37] <taza> tl;dr It's support for processors that have quirky feature support flags
[21:28] <Dan_D> How do I open a .deb via command line, if even possible?
[21:28] <bekks> Dan_D: Open it to do what?
[21:28] <Dan_D> Make it install whatever program it is for
[21:29] <Dan_D> Rather thn using the softa
[21:29] <Dan_D> *software centre to open it
[21:29] <bekks> apt-get install gimp     -- that would install gimp from commandline, e.g.
[21:29] <Dan_D> Ok
[21:29] <cloudbender> If I reinstall, will xubuntu detect my second monitor ?
[21:29] <Pici> *sudo
[21:29] <bekks> yeah, sudo apt-get...
[21:30] <Dan_D> So sudo apt-get install name-of-.deb
[21:30] <bekks> Dan_D: No. For installing a plain deb file, use sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[21:30] <Dan_D> AH, ok, thanks!
[21:42] <xubuntu597> how can i uninstall plugin icetea? i have removed to ubuntu software center
[21:43] <bazhang> apt-cache search iced
[21:43] <bazhang> icedtea-plugin
[21:44] <bazhang> sudo apt-get remove packagename
[21:47] <xubuntu597> does not work
[21:47] <bazhang> what is the error
[21:48] <xubuntu597> misses icetea
[21:50] <cloudbender> Is there a way to tell xubuntu to detect a second monitor ?
[21:50] <xubuntu597> web browser plugin to execute java applet
[21:52] <cloudbender> No takers ?
[21:52] <xubuntu597> Can not find the package packagename
[21:53] <bazhang> you use the actual package name, not "packagename"
[21:53] <knome> cloudbender, if you aren't afraid of command line, check 'xrandr -q'
[21:53] <bazhang> in this case it's icedtea-plugin
[21:54] <xubuntu597> a ok sorry
[21:54] <taza> So, is there a non-wizard way to install Xubuntu on a no-PAE laptop?
[21:54] <taza> Well, yes-PAE no-PAE-flag laptop, anyway
[21:55] <xubuntu597> can not find the packege icetea-plugin
[21:55] <knome> xubuntu597, it's icedtea-plugin.
[21:55] <Sysi> taza: I think 12.04 doesn't have pae by default
[21:55] <xubuntu597> ops sorry
[21:55] <knome> xubuntu597, i would suggest to reinstall ubuntu software center to handle your packages
[21:56] <taza> 12.04 doesn't, but I'd like a newer version
[21:56] <xubuntu597> sorry but someone speak italian?
[21:56] <knome> taza, you can upgrade to 14.04 from 12.04 in april
[21:56] <taza> knome: 14.04 will have native no-PAE?
[21:56] <knome> !it | xubuntu597
[21:57] <taza> Well, fake-PAE
[21:57] <knome> taza, i would imagine there is something that allows you to run it
[21:57] <cloudbender> knome thanks
[21:57] <knome> taza, especially since you have processor that actually supports PAE
[21:58] <knome> taza, there was some really simple fix for that (which should work for most of those machines), basically just add the word "pae" in /proc/cpuinfo (iirc)
[21:58] <cloudbender> ... and I suppose man xandr might not hurt either :)
[21:58] <taza> knome: So, do you actually know anything regarding 14.04 and fake-PAE?
[21:58] <knome> taza, Unit193 can confirm/tell you more about it
[21:58] <Unit193> >_>
[21:58] <knome> cloudbender, or arandr, if you prefer a GUI
[21:58] <cloudbender> k tnx
[21:58] <xubuntu597> sorry how can i get root mode?
[21:58] <taza> Because you sound like you're just half-remembering things that may or may not be accurate.
[21:58] <knome> taza, i don't have exact information (yet).
[21:59] <knome> taza, talk with Unit193. :)
[21:59] <Unit193> knome: It's a bit hacky, so I've stayed away from it (also only have PAE computers) nothing in the official repo.
[21:59] <knome> Unit193, i'm aware of that, but since it might be the only option for those people...
[21:59] <taza> So the tl;dr is "ignore everything knome has just said, and to be safe, put him on ignore". Got it.
[22:00] <bazhang> taza, please dont do that
[22:00] <taza> Anyway.
[22:00] <taza> Unit193: I'm aware of the Fake-PAE trickery and I also know how hard it is to install an OS doing it.
[22:00] <knome> taza, i would you to reconsider your attitude. thanks.
[22:00] <taza> That's why I would like a non-wizard way of doing it
[22:01] <bazhang> discussion of 14.04 is in #ubuntu+1 taza not here
[22:01] <taza> Well I actually want to install 13.10
[22:02] <xubuntu597> i have romeved!.... i think
[22:03] <taza> But since it's clear that you're more concerned with regular egos than with actually, y'know, helping people or discussing technology, I don't think I'll benefit from being here anyway.
[22:11] <cloudbender> well I apt-got ARandR but it still does not detect the second monitor
[22:11] <cloudbender> I'll try a fresh install
[22:16] <xubuntu248> Hi, I using 14.04 daily build, my laptop touchpad is being detected as a pointer "evdev pointer catchall" InputClass, with the result that there is no multitouch. I tried commenting that class out hoping that it would default to the touchpad but then the touchpad was non functional. Any suggestions ?
[22:23] <bazhang> !14.04 | xubuntu248
[22:25] <xubuntu248> as i said, im using the xubuntu 14.04 daily build http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[22:26] <bazhang> support in #ubuntu+1  <----- xubuntu248
[22:26] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu+1
[22:26] <xubuntu248> thanks
[22:27] <xubuntu248> (even though its probably a general configuration issue)
[23:25] <xubuntu951> Hello. I'm new to all this. How do I enable Javascript or at least add exceptions for some websites
[23:27] <knome> xubuntu951, javascript should be enabled by default on firefox on xubuntu
[23:27] <xubuntu951> hmm, okay. I thought so. This one website is giving me an error
[23:27] <xubuntu951> thank you
[23:28] <Unit193> xubuntu951: What site?
[23:28] <Unit193> (And I can check it out, you may need some extra plugin or something.)
[23:28] <xubuntu951> it's a devry website
[23:29] <xubuntu951> my.devry.edu
[23:30] <xubuntu951> could I get those plug-ins from the Ubuntu software center?
[23:30] <Unit193> xubuntu951: You need java.
[23:31] <Unit193> icedtea-plugin should be the one.
[23:32] <xubuntu951> okay, i did download that and the java website is confirming I have it. so it must be a security setting i have
[23:34] <xubuntu951> Thanks for helping me out thogh :)
[23:35] <Unit193> It told me that I needed java and disable popup blocker (I have java disabled in the browser for added security.)
[23:36] <xubuntu951> how do i enable it?
[23:36] <xubuntu951> I swear I've been through all the settings
[23:37] <Unit193> about:plugins
[23:38] <Unit193> Err, tools > addons > plugins
[23:43] <xubuntu951> I'm getting :  command not found
[23:45] <Unit193> This would be in firefox, we're checking that the addon is enabled in Tools > Addons > Plugins
[23:45] <xubuntu951> okay, sorry, so new to this
[23:45] <Unit193> Noo problem, I'll just have slow response time, doing other stuff too.
[23:46] <xubuntu951> Ahh, I appreciate your time so much.  thank you, that worked it out.
[23:49] <Unit193> \o/


[09:33] <ogra_> persia, did you find a working nvflash yet ?
[09:36] <persia> No, but I'm not sure that's the issue.
[09:36] <persia> nvflash claims it can't see the USB device.
[09:37] <persia> Looking at syslog, it seems that when I attach, two USB devices show, and then both disconnect.
[09:37]  * persia reproduces to get a viewable snippet
[09:38] <persia> hrm.  Reproduction failed.  I wonder what changed.
[09:39] <ogra_> well, are you sure the device was actually in flash mode ?
[09:39] <ogra_> the usb device will only show up if its in that mode
[09:41] <persia> Right, but it was the immediate disconnect that was the issue.  As long as it stays connected, it ought be OK.
[09:41] <ogra_> yep
[09:45] <persia> Ugh.  I tried to backup partition 0, and it failed, and now I get protocol errors.  I guess this will be a bit of fun trial and error.
[09:46] <ogra_> there is no 0 partition ;)
[09:46] <ogra_> it starts at 2
[09:46] <persia> hence needing to power cycle :)
[09:47] <ogra_> nvfalsh has a get partition table command
[09:47] <persia> There's no 1 either?
[09:47] <ogra_> no 1 either
[09:47] <persia> What's that command?
[09:47]  * persia doesn't have a manpage :(
[09:47] <ogra_> dont ask me what they are smoking at toshiba :)
[09:47] <ogra_> it should have a help command
[09:47] <persia> nvflash help ?
[09:48] <ogra_> --help i think
[09:48] <ogra_> with all the LD_PRELOAD mess
[09:48] <persia> Indeed it does.
[09:50] <ogra_> --getpartitiontable
[09:50] <ogra_> with a textfile as output
[09:50] <persia> Yep.  So, I don't really like this tool.
[09:51] <ogra_> nobody does
[09:51] <persia> 1) It's non-free.  2) It doesn't qualify for multiverse.  3) It's not packaged.  4) It has no manpage, and poorly formatted --help.  5) it has some of the worst subcommand grammar I've ever encountered.
[09:52] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[09:52] <ogra_> sadly we need it
[09:52] <ogra_> i dont know of any alternative yet
[09:52] <ogra_> i wonder how trimsclice does it
[09:53] <ogra_> they have largely the same board in their device
[09:53] <ogra_> and u-boot is missing input support yet
[09:53] <ogra_> and even then you would have to flash u-boot first
[09:54] <persia> Lovely.  I seem to get to run nvflash once per powercycle.
[09:54] <ogra_> you can use the --resume command
[09:54] <ogra_> replace the --bl flastboot.bin with it
[09:54] <ogra_> it can only upload the bootloader once
[09:55] <persia> Aha!  And --resume lets me run another command without getting "usb read error (71): Protocol error" ?
[09:55] <ogra_> i think so
[09:55] <ogra_> try it
[09:56] <persia> Hmm.  Less than ideal.  This power cycle the bootloader failed to install :/
[09:57] <ogra_> well, luckily you only have to do it once
[09:58] <persia> --resume seems to work.
[09:59] <persia> No, I'm super-extra-paranoid: I have to do it ~15 times, plus any that are unsuccessful.
[10:00] <ogra_> i mean once you flashed successfull you dot have to do it anymore
[10:00] <ogra_> though i would recommend also flashing a fallback kernel to part 5
[10:00] <ogra_> in case you mess up anything you can still boot from it
[10:01] <persia> Why?  Is there some way to select the partition from which one boots?
[10:01] <ogra_> yes
[10:01] <ogra_> if you hold down the home key during power up you get into fastboots recovery menu
[10:01] <persia> If one bricks the device, can one restore with nvflash?
[10:01] <ogra_> if you press 1 there it boots from part 5
[10:01] <ogra_> yes
[10:01] <ogra_> the device is unbrickable
[10:02] <ogra_> as long as you can restore the partitioning you will always get it back to life
[10:03] <persia> That's nice.
[10:03] <ogra_> part 5 is sadly only 5M big
[10:03] <ogra_> so there is no space for nifty initrds
[10:03] <persia> On most of my devices there is some flash that, if overwritten, will make the device completely useless.
[10:03] <ogra_> tegra seems to be similar to omap here ... the rom code will always work
[10:04] <persia> I suspect that is true for this, except that there is no way to write that flash (who said updating device firmware was a good idea)
[10:04] <ogra_> and it seems the flash mode lives there
[10:04] <persia> Oh, nifty.  So it's not like BIOS flash, or the boot NOR on mx5 devices (yes, you can work around the boot NOR with the DIP switches, but they aren't exposed in real devices)
[10:05] <ogra_> right
[10:05] <persia> Seems that --resume only works once, and after two operations, I really have to power cycle.  Oh well.
[10:06] <ogra_> do you do a full backup ?
[10:06] <persia> That's my plan.  My hardware is different from yours, and my software is very different.
[10:06] <ogra_> yeah, makes sense
[10:07] <persia> (unless you have the REGZA control suite by default, etc.)
[10:07] <ogra_> lol, no
[10:07] <ogra_> what do you do with that, remote control your TV ?
[10:07] <persia> That's what I thought :)
[10:07] <persia> Rather, participate in your entertainment network.
[10:08] <ogra_> ah, REGZA is more than a TV brand in .jp ?
[10:08] <persia> At one level you can consider this a remote control for your TV, but you can also do things like switch the audio track from your TV to your stereo to your laptop headphones, control video streaming from your PVR to your TV or your laptop, and switch seamlessly, etc.
[10:09] <ogra_> ah
[10:09] <persia> REGZA is Toshiba's home entertainment brand.  They do TVs, PVRs, Speaker systems, Keitais, Tablets, etc.
[10:09] <ogra_> ah, i didnt know that
[10:09] <ogra_> i only know trhe term from my TV :)
[10:10] <persia> I haven't seen a REGZA Stereo, but the protocol should work with Onkyo or Denon hardware.
[10:10] <persia> Yeah.  The nifty stuff takes a while to export: someone has to figure out how to explain it to foreigners.
[10:10] <ogra_> heh
[10:11] <persia> No, seriously.  Here they just stick a couple stickers on it, and the guy in the shop says "It connects to your network", and nobody asks questions.
[10:11] <persia> Other places people want to know why they should pay more for feature X.
[10:12]  * persia suspects this has something to do with not having a law against selling electronics more than three years old
[10:13] <XorA> hey persia
[10:13] <persia> XorA, Hey.
[10:14] <XorA> Im amused as I just bought an item that is now 30 years old
[10:16] <XorA> now I just need to build a circuit to adapt its video output to actually work with something modern so I can see it working :-D
[10:17]  * persia laughs
[10:21] <persia> Grr...  Partition 8 consistently fails.
[10:21] <ogra_> is that the biggest one ?
[10:22] <ogra_> i think nvflash has a prob with partitions bigger than 4G ... usually thats only the user data partition anyway and empty ...
[10:22] <persia> Not by a long way.  Biggest is 6774016 sectors.  8 is only 153600
[10:24] <ogra_> weird
[10:25] <persia> Yeah, well, it's the oddities that make me do a full backup before I even boot the device.
[10:29]  * ppisati tried the mmu patch for kexec but still fails..
[10:44] <persia> ogra_, The partitions I can't read are labeled APP, UDA, and UDB.  Do you know what these codes mean?
[10:44] <ogra_> APP is android apps i think, did you look whats indside ?
[10:45] <ogra_> ah, no. you said you didnt boot yet
[10:46] <ogra_> (though the part table is completely shifted anyway in userspace ... you will never see part 2-6 in android
[10:46] <ogra_> )
[10:47] <persia> UDA and UDB would be User Data A and User Data B?
[10:47] <ogra_> so you have to guess which ones are APP, UDA, UDb
[10:47] <ogra_> might be
[10:48] <persia> Ugh.  8 gives a consistent format error, maybe some sort of copy protection.  12 and 14 just time out attempting to copy.
[10:48] <ogra_> 14 should be mmcblk0p7 in userspace
[10:48] <ogra_> that falls under the "biggest partition" stuff i mentioned above
[10:49] <ogra_> no need to back it up
[10:49] <ogra_> should be empty
[10:49] <persia> I suspect so: it's 13,230M
[10:49] <ogra_> yeah
[10:50] <persia> But the 300M APP partition seems like something I want backed up, and I got just over a GB from the 1235 UDA parittion on one try, although most tries have been lower.
[10:52] <ogra_> oh, if your device should offer you to upgrade to android 2.2, dont do it if you want to keep the dual boot option
[10:52] <ogra_> if you should boot it into android before installing
[10:53] <persia> I don't intend to ever boot Android on it, unless I have to verify a hardware issue for the warranty.
[10:56] <persia> Connecting to a full speed hub rather than a high speed hub seems to help, although it takes *MUCH* longer.
[10:57] <ogra_> HUB ?!?
[10:57]  * ogra_ just connects directly
[10:58] <persia> You connect directly to the controller?  What sort of device exposes that?  I've never seen one.
[10:58] <ogra_> i connect a mini usb cable between my x86 laptop and the ac100
[10:58] <ogra_> without extra hubs attached
[11:00] <persia> Right.  How many USB ports does your laptop have?
[11:00] <ogra_> 3
[11:00] <ogra_> and i usually connect to a full speed port
[11:01] <persia> Then you probably have 2 hubs in your laptop.  The first providing those three ports and uplink to the second, and the second conneting to internal devices.
[11:01] <ogra_> right, i thought you referred to an external hub
[11:01] <persia> I was on high speed, which is something like 30x as fast, but it kept crashing.  Now I'm on full speed, which works better.
[11:01] <ogra_> k
[12:01] <persia> ogra_, Aha!  I encountered the 4G issue.  You don't happen to know if there is a 64-bit nvflash floating around somewhere, do you?
[12:02] <hrw> hmm... sheet.zoho.com is default viewer of xls files under ubuntu?
[12:02] <persia> hrw, In some environments (like those where openoffice/libreoffice was considered too heavy/slow/broken)
[12:03] <hrw> arm for example
[12:03] <persia> From what I understand, natty libreoffice works, but it's kinda slow.  natty koffice is a bit faster, but predates the revival/rebranding.
[12:04] <hrw> my daughter just sent panda x11 session to logout... power of power key ;:D
[12:04] <persia> heh
[13:04] <ZebraDroid_> Hey all, Could someone suggest anything?  I'm running ubuntu on my arm tablet, I've built and installed touchscreen drivers and the cursor now follows my touch.  The only problem is, no click event is launched on touch release/tap.  Is there any way I could configure this? Thanks
[13:04] <persia> Which tablet?
[13:05] <ZebraDroid_> Vega
[13:05] <persia> Try `xinput list` to find the id of your touchscreen
[13:06] <ZebraDroid_> Yup, I have that
[13:06] <persia> `xinput list-props <device>` will tell you what it belives it can do.
[13:06] <persia> `xinput watch-props <device>` will let you see what it is sending.
[13:07] <ZebraDroid_> ok, thanks
[13:08] <persia> Depending on how the driver is implemented, you may need to have it send tap events, you may need to trap and process tap events to turn them into button activations, you may need to fiddle with input-utils to make sure the kernel has the right bits for the event driver...
[13:08] <ZebraDroid_> hmm ok
[13:09] <ZebraDroid_> It seems that despite moving my pointer, watch-props isn't providing any feedback. (I've tried all of the pointer devices and the touchscreen identifier specified in xorg.conf isn't in the list)
[13:12] <persia> Right.  I presume you're well past the xev stage, so diving in: does your driver provide a kernel event interface?
[13:17] <ZebraDroid_> Umm, not too sure.  This is the first time I've had to compile and install drivers manually so I'm kinda feeling my way around still.  Through inspection of the source it seems it provides the click event via a call to xf86EventButtonPressP (or something similar  to that)
[13:17] <persia> Then it's just an X driver, making xinput the best tool for analysis.
[13:17] <persia> Check your X log to make sure it's being loaded.
[13:22] <ZebraDroid_> It seems to attempt to load it, but fails to initialise a touchscreen device and unloads due to EV_SYN missing. I can only assume it loads in some description of state as prior to installation, the cursor would just jump to 0,0 on touch.  Post installation it follows touch
[13:24] <persia> Hrm.  I'm not sure.  You might ask the team in #ubuntu-x, although they may send you back here if there are architecture-specific confusions.
[13:24] <persia> (or someone else might know, if you wait a while)
[13:25] <ogra_> isnt there also #ubuntu-touch ?
[13:25] <persia> Is there?  I hadn't encountered it before, but yeah, if it exists, it's a better place :)
[13:26] <persia> Indeed there is!
[13:26] <ZebraDroid_> Great, I'll ask there - thanks for the help ^^
[13:26] <ogra_> they focus more on enabling multitouch in existing drivers though
[13:26] <persia> Well going from 0 to N is multi, right?
[13:26] <ogra_> so they might not know much about new ones
[13:27] <ogra_> the prob smells a bit like evdev would just select a mouse driver for the device
[13:28] <persia> Or any other class of incorrect autodetect.
[13:28] <ogra_> yep
[13:29] <persia> ogra_, My notes have a confusion: I'm writing boot-2.6.37-1-ac100-SD.img to partition 6, right?
[13:29] <ogra_> yes
[13:29] <persia> OK.  The command was listed once with a 6 and once with a 5, so I just wanted to double check.
[13:30] <persia> Oh my.  Partition 14 reduced to 0.1% of raw size with gzip :)
[13:31] <ogra_> heh
[13:32] <persia> OK.  partition flashed.  Device OFF.  USB disconnect.  SD insert.  Close eyes and cross fingers...
[13:32] <ogra_> :)
[13:32]  * ogra_ crosses
[13:33] <persia> Yeah.  ALSA errors then bootsplash.  Thanks a lot!
[13:33] <ogra_> awesome !
[13:33] <ogra_> the rest should be trivial
[13:34] <persia> Yep.
[13:35] <persia> Heh.  Jasper.
[13:35] <ogra_> jasper ?
[13:35] <ogra_> there shouldnt be any jasper in these images
[13:36] <persia> This is casper?  What's giving me initial configuration?
[13:36] <ogra_> oem-config ?
[13:36] <ogra_> there should be neither casper nor jasper
[13:37] <persia> Oh.  It's an OEM image.  I suppose that makes sense.
[13:37] <ogra_> right
[13:37] <ogra_> its directly derived from the omap3 one
[13:37] <persia> (although it's a bit annoying now knowing that I have to go through this config process twice)
[13:37] <ogra_> thats why i said you should set a rootpw or edit /etc/shadow
[13:38] <ogra_> for the SD boot
[13:38] <ogra_> this will be automated by an init script for the actual image
[13:38] <ogra_> so you only need to cp the tarball onto a formatted SD
[13:38] <persia> Really, we should use the installer.
[13:39] <persia> But as we discussed before, this requires tracking down why cp is slow.
[13:39] <ogra_> no
[13:39] <ogra_> i think the oem team has a udeb that can install tarballs
[13:39] <persia> Yes.  Really yes.  I'm inflexible on this.  Maintenance overhead.
[13:39] <ogra_> that might be an option
[13:39] <ogra_> but i'm really not going through setting d-i to work with universe kernels etc
[13:39] <persia> It's all part of the same suite that includes live-helper.
[13:40] <persia> No, but NCommander has a WI to do that for a different spec.
[13:40] <persia> So you don't have to worry about it.
[13:40] <ogra_> so it will stay live/oem
[13:40] <ogra_> NCommander, has no WI to make d-i work with universe bits
[13:41] <ogra_> there is only one d-i related workitem ... and thats just a partitioning reciepe for partman
[13:42] <persia> It's on a foundations spec.
[13:42] <ogra_> universe ?
[13:42] <persia> Yes.
[13:42] <ogra_> that would need a complete redesign
[13:42] <ogra_> d-i needs the kernel in main
[13:43] <ogra_> and all other bits it uses to create images
[13:43] <persia> You were *at* the UDS discussion about it.  Now isn't the time to complain.
[13:44] <ogra_> well, *shrug*
[13:44] <persia> So, anyway, assuming the component issue is resolved, and the speed issue is resolved, I'll insist on proper installer images.
[13:44] <ogra_> i wont change the ac100 image, since i find wasting hours of user time for copying or formatting tasks completely pointless
[13:44] <persia> But that's not soon: make them however you want until then.
[13:45] <ogra_> and i wont change them in the future either ...
[13:45] <persia> Please read what I wrote above again?  Your objection is already included.
[13:45] <ogra_> it adds massive complexity for maintenance as well as for the enduser
[13:46] <persia> Really it doesn't.  It *streamlines* maintenance and provides a consistent experience for end users.
[13:46] <ogra_> we have oem-config exactly for this task ... i dont plan on moving away from it
[13:46] <persia> Mind you, currently it's painfully slow, which needs sorting.
[13:46] <persia> It's also impossible, which needs sorting.
[13:46] <ogra_> there is more than slowness
[13:46] <ogra_> you have to do a d-i rebuild for every kernel version change
[13:47] <ogra_> that doesnt scale to universe kernels
[13:47] <ogra_> (it is already annoying enough for the non mainline kernels we have in main ... which was one of the most pressing reasons for preinstalled oem images)
[13:48] <persia> So, this will be sorted.
[13:48] <ogra_> not by me, mind you
[13:48] <persia> No, not by you.
[13:48] <ogra_> and as mentioned above, you will need a lot to convince me to move away from oem images
[13:48] <persia> But when everyone else has done their bit, these images will switch to using an installer.
[13:48] <ogra_> not mine
[13:48] <D34X> I have a Lanya smart book X6-7A with an SSD and I was wondering if putting ubuntu on it would be any different.  It doesn't have a normal load up like another computer would, it just pops up the SmartBook screen and does the 25 second loading process.  Would I put a live load in a USB and go from there?
[13:48] <persia> Whether you do this or not at that point can be discussed later.
[13:49] <persia> D34X, What's the processor?
[13:49] <ogra_> i find it a massive waste of manopower to even put time into that
[13:49] <D34X> persia - ARM 926
[13:49] <ogra_> its fine for server but i dont see even the slightest reason to push us back into stonegae with the desktop images
[13:50] <persia> D34X, Ubuntu doesn't support that processor.  You might try Debian.
[13:50] <D34X> Poo....
[13:51] <persia> ogra_, I feel the opposite.  I have no interest in remaining in an age of hardware-dependent images.  I want generic solutions, that work for arbitrary hardware.  We are getting much closer with the tools to be able to do this, and when we can, I'll have no interest in supporting less generic solutions.
[13:52] <ogra_> where would a generic image help on the ac100 ?
[13:52] <persia> well, let's assume we are able to construct a generic tree that supports all Tegra2 devices.
[13:52] <ogra_> and whom would a generic image help on a specific board that can only run this specific image ?
[13:52] <ogra_> LOL
[13:52] <persia> Then we should only maintain that image.
[13:52] <ogra_> that will never happen
[13:52] <persia> Why LOL?
[13:52] <persia> It will.  This is the *point*.
[13:53] <ogra_> because nvidia doesnt care at all and the board specific implementations collide heavily
[13:53] <persia> If this was not a goal (and a believeably achievable goal), we wouldn't do doing any of this.
[13:53] <ogra_> well, you wont see such a kernel for a long long time
[13:54] <ogra_> it might happen at some point indeed ... like it did for the beagle after what ... 4 years or was it five
[13:54] <persia> I'll continue to expect it tomorrow, and be disappointed with anyone that feels otherwise, simply because if we don't believe it will happen, we won't help make it happen, and we'll be discouraging the folk that are trying.
[13:54] <ogra_> the only organization working on that (linaro) has no support at all for tegra
[13:55] <ogra_> and there is no movement from either side
[13:55] <persia> That's true today.  I'm not convinced it has always been true nor that it will always be true.
[13:56] <ogra_> *if* you get such support (which is already unlikely because every odm seems to implement its own bootloader solution) it will happen long after your ac100 collects dust in your basement
[13:56] <persia> All I ask of you is that if the valid bugs you raise can be sorted, and we can make generic solutions, you help with those, rather than refusing.  If you're right, and it's a long time before we get there, the cost to you of agreeing is nothing.
[13:56] <ogra_> oh, i surely wont block any progress either way
[13:57] <ogra_> i just wont change my images :)
[13:57] <ogra_> even in a generic setup i would go for oem images for desktop
[13:57] <persia> For all architectures?
[13:57] <ogra_> at least on devices wheer you have things like hardcoded partition tables etc
[13:58] <ogra_> its just pointless to count on d-i for two features we dont use/need at all
[13:58] <persia> I'd rather have a generic installer that could recognise those devices, and skip bothering the user about partitioning, but rather just do the right thing.
[13:58] <persia> I think you aren't understanding what I'm saying.
[13:58] <ogra_> thats what an initrd script can do as well
[13:58] <ogra_> in an easier way for the user
[13:58] <persia> I don't intend to show the user anything pointless: that's poor interaction.
[13:58] <ogra_> and with zero maintenance for the developer
[13:59] <persia> With two pieces of code to maintain, to have bugs, to have security issues, and two places to fix them all, and inconsistency to confuse the support and advocacy teams,etc.
[13:59] <ogra_> i only care for one place really ...
[14:00] <persia> So someone else has to care for another?  No opportunity for collaboration?
[14:01] <ogra_> i wont pull d-i into the installation
[14:01] <ogra_> d-i has its areas where it makes sense ... in this particular install to totally doesnt and only gets in the way
[14:01] <persia> You do know that live-helper is a d-i component, so you'll be doing that anyway for all the preinstall images that use livecd-rootfs today, right?
[14:01] <ogra_> not during install time
[14:01] <ogra_> only during build time
[14:03] <ogra_> what i would prefer to see would be a generic oem images initramfs hook
[14:04] <ogra_> so that you hand over filesystem and target device on the cmdline or some such and a tarball gets unpacked to the target after verifying teh taball md5 sum  ...
[14:04] <ogra_> without all the crap i need to do for d-i
[14:04] <persia> Have you looked at live-helper?  It does something very similar to that.
[14:04] <persia> And it does it from within d-i
[14:05] <ogra_> no, i havent yet, i will have to before A1 though
[14:05] <persia> And it can do it without bothering the user with lots of d-i prompting.
[14:05] <persia> You may want to: I believe it both represents that which you protest against and that which you wish existed, simultaneously.
[14:05] <ogra_> it bothers me as maintainer with the complexity i add through d-i
[14:06] <ogra_> i dont want to a) maintain d-i b) have d-i booted at all for these kind of images
[14:06] <ogra_> having to maintain a ton of d-i components vs a 10 line initramfs shell script is really not wnat i'm after
[14:08] <persia> Who said anything about "a ton of d-i components"?
[14:09] <persia> And d-i is just some initramfs scripts.
[14:10] <persia> So, for instance, if someone wrote partman-ac100, it could simply return, never prompting the user, and adding hints to everything else about how/where to install everything.
[14:10] <persia> So, for instance, if someone wrote partman-ac100, it could simply return, never prompting the user, and adding hints to everything else about how/where to install everything.
[14:10] <ogra_> d-i is a huge complex pile of stuff
[14:10] <ogra_> of which i dont need 99%
[14:11] <persia> Then don't put those bits in your image.
[14:11] <persia> It's *designed* to be flexible, modular, etc.
[14:12] <ogra_> i know
[14:13] <ogra_> you wont convince me
[14:14] <persia> I'm not trying to convince you.  I'm trying to inform you that as a result of the change to live-helper, *every* image will become a d-i image.
[14:14] <ogra_> now that would be really bad
[14:14] <persia> And I'm trying to tell you that you needn't fear this change, and that it's not that different from what you do now.
[14:14] <ogra_> and i doubt thats true
[14:14] <persia> That's what the shift to live-helper means.
[14:14] <ogra_> you think we will drop casper ?
[14:14] <persia> No.
[14:14] <ogra_> see
[14:15] <persia> I think we'll wrap casper in a filesystem that we deliver with d-i through the live-helper support infrastructure.
[14:15] <ogra_> heh
[14:15] <ogra_> after we ported l-h to upstart indeed :)
[14:15] <ogra_> given that upstart will now run the whole initrd
[14:16] <ogra_> oh, and indeed all of d-i too
[14:16] <ogra_> sorry, but i dont see us changing the whole structure on one release
[14:16] <persia> Writing a single compatibility upstart job is trivial, so there's no blocking porting effort.
[14:17] <ogra_> we'll see
[14:17] <persia> Slowly moving more of the early boot stuff to upstart can happen over time.
[14:17] <ogra_> i expect that in function and form of casper or the live initrd there wont be many changes
[14:17] <persia> Really, go read about live-helper.  Learn how it works.
[14:18] <persia> I think you'll be pleased as much as you're annoyed.
[14:18]  * persia decides thrudhr has a nice ring to it
[14:18] <ogra_> i wont be pleased for sure :)
[14:23] <hrw> how to change boot.scr without regenerating it by hand? panda
[14:25] <Neko> .. use my awesome flash-kernel boot.script->boot.scr demangler :D
[14:25] <OlivierN> hrw: or like this
[14:25] <OlivierN> sudo mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Ubuntu boot script" -d boot.script boot.scr
[14:25] <Neko> guys does anyone have knowledge of a quick way to disable these horrible new scrollbars?
[14:26] <persia> Don't install overlay-scrollbar?
[14:26] <Neko> both kinds.. gedit seems to have a kind of floating on the side scrollbar and other apps just have a kind of little orange line
[14:26] <Neko> I want traditional ones back
[14:26] <hrw> Neko: for efikas it uses /boot/boot.script
[14:27] <hrw> Neko: as base of boot.scr
[14:27] <Neko> I don't think I have a choice not to install overlay-scrollbar
[14:27] <Neko> hrw, run flash-kernel again it should do it on all boards?
[14:27] <persia> Why not?  The rdepends list is short.
[14:28] <hrw> Neko: right..
[14:28] <Neko> but you want to do it "not by hand", you can't... you have to invoke it somehow with manual labor
[14:29] <Neko> persia, I just removed the package and I still get orange-line scrollbars
[14:31] <persia> Hrm.  That's unexpected.  That package is supposed to be where the orange widget lives.
[14:32] <persia> If you want different defaults, use a different seed.
[14:32] <Neko> the whole point is I am trying to replace the metapackages so we can basically define a behavior for our not-quite-ubuntu natty build
[14:32] <Neko> except, if I take these out, the scrollbar thing still happens
[14:33] <Neko> ahhh here we are
[14:33] <Neko> you need to remove liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0 too
[14:33] <persia> Then I'm wrong.  I thought it was that.  Maybe grep for "scrollbar" in the natty-changes mbox to see what else got patched.
[14:33] <persia> Ah, you found it.  Excellent.
[14:33] <Neko> it's just reaaaaally difficult to hit those little orange lines with a netbook trackpad
[14:34] <Neko> also since firefox and thunderbird are blacklisted we get different behavior per app which is just not desirable
[14:34] <Neko> I wonder how this affects unity though
[14:34] <persia> Try it with one of the tiny little "optical pointers".  It becomes essentially impossible.
[14:35] <Neko> weurghhh
[14:35] <Neko> saving a file in gedit defaults to a directory called "chrome"
[14:37] <Neko> maybe because I am root.. but that's strange
[14:42] <ZeZu> Is it not possible to remove X / completely from the ARM version ?  Everything I try just prompts it to want to download another desktop setup ...
[14:43] <persia> ZeZu, It certainly is possible.  I don't have X installed on my beagle.
[14:44] <persia> You will have to either 1) start from a minimal image (you might be interested in the natty headless developer images), or 2) spend a lot of time making sure you have every reverse dependency removed.
[14:48] <ZeZu> I figured it would be something along those lines ...  dependency mess ,  do you have the sgx drivers installed on your beagle ?
[14:50] <ZeZu> I didn't have nearly as many issues w/ beagle as i do w/ panda ...  the pvr kernel drivers refuse to cross compile w/ 2.6.39-rc7
[14:51] <ogra_> if your .39 kernel is properly packaged they wont ;)
[14:52] <persia> ZeZu, I don't have the sgx drivers on my beagle (no monitor, no need)
[14:54] <ogra_> oh, wait you said cross ...
[14:54] <ZeZu> indeed
[14:54] <ogra_> i fear there even a properly packaged kernel wont help
[14:54] <ogra_> i dont think dkms gets along well with cross building
[14:54] <ogra_> sounds like a good future project for hrw *g*
[14:55] <ZeZu> yes well i found out the hard way ... actually you have to pass ARCH=arm or else it tries to build bits and pieces for host system ...
[14:56] <ZeZu> define properly packaged btw,  might help ... i do recall having to package the headers differently when building for beagle, but i don't think it used dkms at that time
[14:58] <hrw> ogra_: D:
[17:14] <avinashhm> hi , does any one have a u-boot for omap4 panda board, where we 'saveenv' works ? .. any help pls
[17:15] <avinashhm> j /#panda
[17:15] <persia> avinashhm, Does it not work for the u-boot in the Ubuntu images?
[17:16] <avinashhm> persia, sorry .. wasn't aware of the ubuntu images .. can u point me to .. i ll try
[17:18] <persia> Most recent images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/
[17:18] <persia> You can choose between a full environment (optimised for netbooks, but suitable for desktops), or a headless image as a base for arbitrary development.
[17:19] <persia> ogra_, Do you know why there aren't any .torrent files for the omap images?
[17:20] <avinashhm> persia, thanks man .. i ll pick up these net book image and check out ...
[17:26] <GrueMaster> avinashhm: When you say "saveenv", are you trying to save the u-boot environment between reboots?  The panda doesn't have any emmc or nand for storing u-boot settings.
[17:27] <avinashhm> GrueMaster, can't we store to MMC .. just asking , i am not sure ?
[17:28] <GrueMaster> Not from uboot.  But you can modify the /boot/boot.script in our images and reflash it to the boot partition with flash-kernel.
[17:28] <GrueMaster> (or modify it manually and reapply the u-boot crc with mkimage).
[17:28] <persia> heh.  kernel segfault during debootstrap.  Extra points!
[17:30] <micahg> janimo: poke re chromium> any luck?
[17:44] <avinashhm> GrueMaster, ok .. i ll try to modify boot.script then .. thanks man
[18:03] <NCommander> rsalveti: have the PXE boot patches landed in the Linaro u-boot tree?
[18:10] <rsalveti> NCommander: not that I know, jcrigby should know better
[18:10] <jcrigby> NCommander, no not yet
[18:11] <NCommander> jcrigby: any idea when it will land?
[18:12] <jcrigby> NCommander, I could push them to the linaro-next if that is useful to you
[18:12] <NCommander> jcrigby: indeed it would be
[18:12] <jcrigby> or are we talking pushed to archive?
[18:13] <jcrigby> ok, I'll do that
[18:13] <NCommander> jcrigby: when it hits the linaro u-boot, it will get piced by the archive next time we update it
[18:13] <persia> jcrigby, For pushed-to-archive, if you can get a candidate package ready, it's easy to get someone else to help drop it in.
[18:16] <jcrigby> NCommander, persia ok I'll prepare a 2011.05 release based on current upstream rc and the PXE patches
[18:17] <NCommander> jcrigby: thanks, that's a huge help
[18:20] <rsalveti> jcrigby: it'd be good to include the tftp patches, but probably need more work at the ones that enables ehci for omap4
[18:21] <jcrigby> rsalveti, the patches don't break anything so we can include them for those that want to experiment?
[18:21] <rsalveti> I know we have ehci support for omap3 already, so I believe we can also make it work with beagle xM
[18:22] <jcrigby> rsalveti, yes that would be great
[18:22] <rsalveti> jcrigby: sure, it's not touching anything outside usb, ehci and smsc driver
[18:22] <rsalveti> guess we can also include them
[18:26] <persia> Thanks!  That helps us play.
[18:50] <janimo> micahg, none so far, but I did not spend time on it since the UDS
[18:53] <micahg> janimo: k, thanks
[20:47] <dcordes> did anybody try webm in firefox in natty arm ?


[02:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> Hey lotuspsychje ! Have we ever had any issues with rbox in #ubuntu ?
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer: i think he's doing support mostly
[02:57] <oerheks> he is pretty serious, normally
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, and gave some pretty bad support earlier.
[02:57] <oerheks> debian/linux
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> User wanted a foolproof way of burning ISO to USB. Startup disk creator is installed by default. Failed to point to that.
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> Insisted that user couldn't possibly screw up their system by using dd.
[02:59] <oerheks> detirmin usb device
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> he's got a bit judgy/raw method that prob needs correction at times
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: OR... go for the foolproof way the user wanted.
 Hello Guys. I got an orange pi zero 2 and I'm struggling with it a bit... it's quite slow and sluggish
 yeah, crappy devices tend to be like that
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's not helpful. ^
 !crosspost | ladeda
 lotuspsychje why you snitching
 snitches get stitches
[03:00] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: Yeah, I saw that too.
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> both cases are from my recent logs
[03:01] <Eickmeyer> I just needed my memory jogged as to why they were rubbing me the wrong way when they were laughing at the user wanting a simpler way of doing something rather than reinventing the wheel.
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> ill keep an eye out in the future
[03:03] <oerheks> lonely people..
[03:03] <oerheks> i am sure he knew more than one way to select the right usb device
[03:04] <oerheks> but it is oke to show worries, about support.
[03:04] <oerheks> questions have already been asked before, and 1% is new
[03:05] <oerheks> 2014, silly me, became member
[03:12] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: No worries. The startup disk creator is installed by default just for this reason.
[03:13] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: You have good intentions, but rbox was being rather rude about it, basically snubbing his nose at the very notion of a GUI way of doing it.
[06:36] <ducasse> morning all
[06:38] <ducasse> hey oerheks \o
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> o/
[13:57] <tomreyn> (You're not going to get a Canonical Ltd. answer here either, but you could discuss the topic here.)


[11:57] <gary_poster> hey frankban.  I just approved your holiday before Easter plus Easter Monday.  Small request: when you put in a national holiday, please include the name of the holiday (Easter Monday for this one, for instance).
[11:57] <frankban> thank you gary_poster, I will do that
[11:57] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb call in 2, or when I finish rebooting
[12:14] <gary_poster> bac ping
[12:28]  * benji installs 430 updates and hopes for the best.
[13:02] <gary_poster> frankban, I moved 609986 to "review".  When you make the LP branch that upgrades the zope.testing version, you can self review if you want, or ask me for a quick review
[13:03] <frankban> gary_poster: ok
[13:32]  * benji performs the ancient and unpredictable ritual of rebootus-post-upgradus.
[13:42] <benji> gary_poster: oh, a small note from yesterday: bin/test --shuffle does indeed report the seed it uses, so adding that to setuplxc was straight-forward
[13:46] <gary_poster> benji, great.  Sorry for not noting that card on the board review.  I saw lifeless' comments and I thought they were reasonable.  Did you verify that his two concerns were addressed?
[13:46] <benji> gary_poster: ooh, I didn't see his comments, let me go look
[14:32] <frankban> gary_poster: new diff with explosives: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/902215/
[14:51] <frankban> gary_poster: https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/launchpad/bug-609986-add-zope.testing-3.9.4-p5/+merge/99536
[14:51] <gary_poster> frankban, boom! :-) looking
[14:51] <frankban> thanks
[14:53] <gary_poster> frankban, approved, and diff looks good.
[14:53] <gary_poster> (explosive I mean)
[14:53] <frankban> thanks gary_poster, I am running tests now
[14:53] <gary_poster> great
[14:56] <frankban> wow, I am testing the tester fixed for parallel testing, that's a new meaning of the word "meta"
[15:03] <gary_poster> lol
[15:05] <benji> yay! unity crash (and subsequent forgetting of my keybindings)
[15:05] <gary_poster> :-/
[15:19] <benji> gary_poster: oh, the answer to Robert's shuffle questions are that it works correctly (shuffling happens and is done inside layers, not across them).  I'll reply to that effect.
[15:41] <gary_poster> awesome benji, yay
[16:10] <frankban> gary_poster: errors during the test run
[17:03] <gary_poster> frankban, :-/ easy resolution?
[17:07] <frankban> gary_poster: one problem is s/addSkip/addError in tear_down_not_supported: can you remember me why that's needed? Another one is a BAseLayer teardown error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/902490/
[17:10] <frankban> I will start investigating tomorrow morning, I assume it's not possible that lp.testing.layers.BaseLayer is broken
[17:28] <gary_poster> frankban, it is definitely possible that BaseLayer is broken.  s/addSkip/addError/ : that was one of those "we don't understand so let's hope gmb was right" things.  I dunno. :-/
[17:29] <gary_poster> frankban, but I wouldn't count out "if cls.fixture is not None: cls.fixture.cleanUp()" yet
[18:13] <benji> Why has Firefox suddenly decided that I use Brittish spelling?


[04:43] <Reynart> hey I have a laptop running off lubuntu but it's offline I can't connect to the internet. I was wondering if there's a way to install packages (for instance I want to install f.lux on it) is there a way to do it offline? my main pc is running off of fedora.
[04:45] <wxl> Reynart: is the issue that you want to fix the internet connectivity or is it that you want to be able to install packages offline in general?
[04:52] <Reynart> wxl: instal packages offline in general
[04:53] <Reynart> I don't need the lubuntu laptop to go online I just want some programs on there
[04:53] <Reynart> f.lux is the most important because it helps prevent eyestrain for me personally.
[04:54] <wxl> !offline
[04:55] <Reynart> ok
[13:17] <titouan_> hey
[15:17] <failbacon> moin
[19:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> !names


[07:38] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:34] <TeTeT> koolhead11: hi, sorry for being a pain, but how far did you get with ensemble on UEC meantime? Is it worth to try?
[09:35] <koolhead11> TeTeT, indeed it is. i am still working on the formulas, no luck from my side.  Or do you mean deploying UEC with ensemble?
[09:42] <koolhead11> TeTeT, formulas will act as a add-onn
[09:43] <koolhead11> suppose you have an instance of natty for example
[09:43] <koolhead11> and you plan to deploy say drupal on it, right
[09:44] <koolhead11> for that you have to install apache, php, mysql-server, mysql and druppal as cms as well
[09:44] <koolhead11> imagine time it will take for this deployment
[09:45] <koolhead11> when you have ensemble with your drupal formula which depands (requires mysql formula)
[09:47] <koolhead11> so won`t it be cool to run ensemble which in terms will do everything
[09:47] <koolhead11> deploy to install and everything in one go
[09:48] <koolhead11> https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/
[09:48] <koolhead11> has all what you need besides kim0`s awesome screencast :)
[09:48] <koolhead11> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMHcy63wRL0&feature=youtu.be
[09:48] <koolhead11> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxMhKbDSbOw&feature=youtu.be
[09:49] <koolhead11> in simple word ensemble will act as APT for cloud :D
[09:49] <kim0> koolhead11: I think TeTeT knows all that :) I guess he's asking about deploying to uec (not ec2)
[09:49] <koolhead11> kim0, well i doubt it has been done yet
[09:50] <koolhead11> we are working on ec2 only
[09:50] <kim0> koolhead11: werent u trying to do it
[09:50] <koolhead11> kim0, i started getting into writing formulas and contributing first before trying that
[09:51] <koolhead11> TeTeT, sorry i got confused and wrote it all
[09:51] <koolhead11> :P
[10:50] <TeTeT> koolhead11: no worries, all good
[15:22] <CloudAche> Hi, Anyone know if there is anything like cloud-init available for Windows?
[15:30] <kim0> I don't even know if Windows has any of the cool devops config-mgmt orchestration style cloud tools
[15:30] <kim0> it seems so locked in the old days ..
[15:35] <CloudAche> not sure
[15:35] <CloudAche> the traditional method is sysprep I guess
[15:35] <CloudAche> in terms of anonymising a cloned server
[15:36] <CloudAche> although I think VMWare have tools to do this
[15:36] <CloudAche> We will need something similar in Openstack
[15:36] <CloudAche> I wonder how Amazon do it?
[15:37] <CloudAche> Another question..
[15:37] <CloudAche> Ubuntu Orchestra for Oneiric. Will it support bare metal deployment to iSCSI root
[15:38] <kim0> RoAkSoAx might be able to answer this one
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> CloudAche: That would actually nbot be related to orchestra itself but rather actually being able to install an ubuntu image there
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> and if so, that'd just be matter of tweaking the preseed
[15:41] <RoAkSoAx> but I don't know the status of support on installing iSCSI root
[15:41] <RoAkSoAx> CloudAche: you might wanna ask on #ubuntu-devel about the status of it
[15:45] <kim0> Howdy folks, Ubuntu cloud days (day-2) starting in #ubuntu-classroom on the hour .. see you there
[16:01] <CloudAche> Thanks, I have been working with CJWatson a bit to try and iron some of the bugs out there. Not too far off now :-)
[19:29] <smoser> ok...
[19:29] <smoser> i need some naming help.
[19:29] <smoser> uec-publish-image
[19:29] <smoser> is an anachronism
[19:29] <smoser> well... mabye not that
[19:30] <smoser> but its out of date
[19:30] <smoser> the idea is tha twe're changing "ubuntu enterprise cloud" (uec) to "Ubuntu Cloud"
[19:30] <smoser> and 'uec' is thus both legacy and limiting (as it can work with ec2)
[19:30] <smoser> Anyone have suggestions on what string to put in front of 'publish-image'
[19:36] <mrjazzcat> smoser: I'm down with "uc-"
[19:37] <smoser> well.. iguess that isn't that bad.
[19:37] <smoser> the issue with ti is that it the thing that it interacts with is not neceissarily ubuntu at all
[19:37] <smoser> (ec2 or openstack or eucalyptus, and can be used with any image)
[19:38] <mrjazzcat> smoser: true enough.  Maybe the product name should change then ;-)
[19:39] <smoser> well, this is really justa client tool
[19:39] <smoser> this place is the one that i'm really struggling with
[19:39] <smoser> the other places seem more straight foreard
[19:39] <smoser> but independent of product name, i can't come up with a good name here.
[19:39] <mrjazzcat> I suppose "sm" is too obscure
[19:39] <smoser> it is cool though
[19:40] <mrjazzcat> :)
[19:40]  * mrjazzcat thinks you need a new name here, then abbreviate
[21:26] <erichammond> smoser: I'm ready to help update/add AWS command line packages to https://launchpad.net/~awstools-dev/+archive/awstools
[21:27] <erichammond> smoser: I believe I already have permission, but would love to get a peek at any documentation/code you have for the process you use to re-package what Amazon provides.
[21:28] <erichammond> smoser: I can start with something that doesn't exist, like autoscaling, then you can review it and give me feedback.
[22:28] <bhook> Hey folks, are there any known issues with block storage volumes on a fresh install of 11.04 UEC?


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[14:00] <cpaelzer> thanks for ipxe compat, the copyright is as it was in the orig package
[14:00] <cpaelzer> but I'll take a look for both on Mondy
[14:02] <cpaelzer> both = new compat as well as actual full ipxe package
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[19:35] <fossfreedom_> Anyone around.  I'm trying to figure out why our meta package binary "ubuntu-budgie-desktop" is missing from our ubuntu budgie daily iso.  Any ideas where to look to find that out?
[19:40] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: Is it in your seed?
[19:41] <fossfreedom_> ...looking ...
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Otherwise http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-budgie/bionic/daily-live-20180204.log (and the livefses that are linked at the top of that) might be helpful to you.
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Yeah, my guess is that it's not in the seed, looking at these.
[19:45] <tsimonq2> I can confirm that by looking at your seed.
[19:46] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: Line 18 for example is how Lubuntu does it: https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu/tree/desktop
[19:47] <fossfreedom_> tsimonq2, odd - it isn't in our artful seeds - nor in our bionic seeds
[19:50] <fossfreedom_> ok - in both artful and bionic "ubuntu-budgie-desktop" is in a file called "metapackage-map"
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Right, it's in the metapackage map, but not pulled in by the seed itseld.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> *itself
[19:56] <fossfreedom_> correct - what's more odd - most of the packages that are in the seed are actually in the iso - what is missing are the packages I added to the seed a couple of days ago + ubuntu-budgie-desktop itself
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[23:07] <krytarik> I'll mention that I don't see an update to  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu-budgie.bionic/  since rev 2219 to the Budgie seed.
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[10:41] <Kilos> afternoon superfly and others
[10:42] <roryy> hello kilos
[10:42] <roryy> how goes?
[10:42] <Kilos> how do i install grub to /sdb1 which has only a few folders for tinycore linux
[10:42] <Kilos> hi roryy all good here ty and there
[10:43] <roryy> not bad ta
[10:43] <roryy> grub hackery *shudder*
[10:44] <Kilos> lol tinycore wants grub 0.97 to be installed but i cant get all the stuff online so was hoping to use my grub here to just have sdb1 bootable
[10:50] <mazal> Kilos you want to install grub from an ubuntu cd ?
[10:50] <Kilos> yip i want to use my mavericks grub to just make sdb bootable
[10:50] <Kilos> hi mazal
[10:51] <mazal> Boot from ubuntu cd
[10:51] <mazal> Then:
[10:51] <mazal> 11. - sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt   (replace /dev/sda1 with your device name)
[10:51] <mazal>  - sudo grub-install –-root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda  (NOTE: the device name now without a number !!!)
[10:52] <mazal> I know that works for installing grub with an ubuntu cd to an ubuntu install , don't know if it will work for that linux you mention
[10:52] <Kilos> ty mazal lemme go try that
[10:52] <mazal> Jus make sure of the dev name hey
[10:52] <Kilos> whats the 11. do mazal ?
[10:53] <Kilos> yeah i dont wanna crash maverick
[10:53] <mazal> No forget that , it's step nr 11 in my clone a drive to any other drive that is smaller in size
[10:53] <Kilos> ah ty
[10:55] <Kilos> oh must i leave that 11. out mazal ?
[10:55] <mazal> Ja don't type 11. -
[10:55] <mazal> start at sudo
[10:55] <mazal> I copied it from my guide
[10:55] <Kilos> whew nearly went off without clarifying first
[10:55] <Kilos> lol great ty very much
[10:55] <mazal> so it's actually :
[10:56] <mazal> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[10:56] <mazal> sudo grub-install –-root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[10:56] <Kilos> ty
[10:58] <Kilos> bbl
[11:44] <Kilos> maz_away, just checking. shouldnt that command look like this
[11:44] <Kilos> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb
[11:44] <Kilos> sudo grub-install –-root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb
[11:44] <Kilos> has too many of those -- goodies
[11:45] <Kilos> hi drubin all good?
[11:45] <Kilos> lol hi there refusenik
[11:51] <Kilos> bbl
[12:22] <superfly> hi ki
[12:22] <superfly> meh


[00:02] <qwebirc21547> when i try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5" it says mysql-server-5.5 is not installed and no info is available.
[00:02] <tgm4883> use 5.1 instead of 5.5
[00:02] <tgm4883> since you are on 10.04 (which I had forgotten)
[00:03] <qwebirc21547> ok thank you so much, i will try that, one sec
[00:06] <qwebirc21547> so when i do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common" one step wants to know the Host MySql server resides in.. right now it is set to "localhost" should it be localhost or the ip addres?
[00:06] <tgm4883> set it to localhost
[00:07] <qwebirc21547> ok thoes 3 steps are done
[00:08] <tgm4883> ok, get the new password from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[00:08] <qwebirc21547> ok, its what i put in
[00:08] <tgm4883> ok, so try this again from the backend
[00:08] <tgm4883> mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[00:10] <qwebirc21547> ok so it says welcome to the MySQl monitor andgives me a mysql>
[00:10] <tgm4883> good
[00:10] <tgm4883> so do
[00:10] <tgm4883> quit;
[00:10] <tgm4883> then try this
[00:10] <tgm4883> mysql -h <IP_ADDRESS> -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[00:10] <tgm4883> from the backend
[00:11] <qwebirc21547> looks like i have access now
[00:11] <tgm4883> good
[00:11] <tgm4883> so you might need to go into mythtv-setup or the frontend setup and fix the passwords
[00:12] <qwebirc21547> ok :) let me try it real quick and see if it works
[00:15] <qwebirc21547> frontend is up and running, thank you so much for your help!!
[00:15] <tgm4883> yw
[00:17] <qwebirc21547> have a good day everyone!!
[00:41] <qwebirc1172> Hello, im having a issues with myth not grabbing channel info from schedules direct. I setup the tuners, added the SD source (which i verified the username and pass on the site) and try to apply it to each tuner in the input connections menu, when i click the button to fetch channels from listing source, it seems like it does nothing. I have a HDHomerun Prime. Thank you for your help
[01:36] <qwebirc78060> hello, was wondering if anyone had any input on why when i setup my Schedules direct and go to input connection for the device and hit fetch channels it doesnt do anything?
[17:15] <qwebirc3898> hello i am having a issue where i cannot connect to my database on my frontend or my backend.. not sure what to do next.
[17:24] <gregL> <qwebirc3898, Was that you above who was trying to fetch channels? If it was,you scan not fetch.. I don't know much about the prime,but i believe it's digital...
[17:25] <tgm4883> gregL, I haven't scanned channels In quite some time
[17:25] <tgm4883> I always fetch now
[17:25] <gregL> using digital..
[17:26] <tgm4883> actually, I guess that isn't completely true. I did pull the virtual tables from comcast
[17:27] <gregL> I always thought you  fetch for analog,scan for digital..
[17:34] <qwebirc3898> yesterday someone told me three commands to use to setup mysql.. does anyone happen to know thoes
[17:38] <qwebirc3898> this is the error im getting " Access denied for user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(using password: NO)"
[18:38] <tgm4883> I do
[18:39] <tgm4883> had you stuck around I could have told you
[18:39] <tgm4883> I think there is even a join message that tells you the bot commands
[21:07] <qwebirc15199> hello i have a ZOTAC IONITX-B-E motherboard, which is setup as a mythtv frontend. im using HDMI to my TV, i was looking to see if anyone can help me setup audio. I am having no luck searching the web


[12:57] <Cracknel> stas:
[12:57] <Cracknel> PING ubuntu.ro (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:57] <Cracknel> ^C
[12:57] <Cracknel> --- ubuntu.ro ping statistics ---
[12:57] <Cracknel> 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19004ms
[14:50] <stas> !websiteisdown ubuntu.ro
[14:50] <Libertiny> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu.ro
[14:50] <stas> Cracknel: ^ next time ;)
[18:00] <dioniss> salut all
[18:00] <dioniss> toti din romania?


[00:04] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my read thru is complete; no comment; looks good
[00:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wonder of wonders :) was somewhat of a chaalenge this time to get-it-together.
[00:08] <guiverc> you do great work !
[04:56] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Add Playback Controls to the Spotify Dock Icon in Ubuntu @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/add-spotify-player-controls-ubuntu-dock-icon (by Joey Sneddon)
[14:12] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: GNOME Shell ‘Extensions Manager’ App Gets a Big Update @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/gnome-shell-extensions-manager-app-gets-a-big-update (by Joey Sneddon)
[14:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Linux game development on Ubuntu: Godot and Unity @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/get-started-with-linux-game-development-on-ubuntu
[20:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked - no further edits are known,
[20:45] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::UbuntuOnAir:: Ubuntu Desktop Team Indaba (AMA) - January 28, 2022 @ 5PM UTC @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDrUFzYDefE (by Ubuntu OnAir)
[20:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[21:11] <guiverc> okay to push uwn 719 to fridge?
[21:13] <guiverc> nah, looks like fridge has issues; "Updating failed: The response is not a valid JSON response"
[21:19] <guiverc> nah; tried a 2nd time; 3rd time it was Heading:blah, text:blah (no tags) & same issue; so wordpress on fridge has some issue
[21:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - re-directs next.
[21:21] <guiverc> I'm going to go lie down awhile (started new med last night & I'm a little 'fuzzy'
[21:35] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending is release to the Social Medias.
[21:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ Mo hurry - when you are able; as I see no other to take up the slack.
[21:39] <guiverc> I suspect we'll be waiting for a wordpress expert; i'll retry as able
[22:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: IssueTemplate -- edited out the EOL 21.04 updates section.
[23:43] <guiverc> uwn 719 posted to twitter, telegram
[23:52] <guiverc> uwn 719 posted to fb...  all posted excluding fridge; re-tries there have failed; will try another box  (but I believe it's wordpress issue; "Updating failed. The response is not a valid JSON response." each time


[06:08] <tumbleweed> hrm, we seem to have lost queuebot messages
[09:03]  * enyc meows
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