[00:35] <dtchen> fta: sorry, i'm traveling for a conference this weekend, so 'net access is intermittent. are you referring to themuso's ppa or mine (which no longer has the packages, since they were uploaded to jaunty)?
[00:36] <fta> dtchen, following your request for testing, i'm using Luke's ppa
[00:36] <fta> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-card-restore": file not found
[00:37] <dtchen> fta: ah, that's a packaging error
[00:37] <dtchen> thanks, will point it out
[00:38] <fta> dtchen, in the meantime, any workaround?
[00:39] <dtchen> you should be able to just comment that load-module line out
[00:40] <fta> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-alsa-card": file not found
[00:40] <fta> twice
[00:40] <fta> but it's not fatal apparently
[00:41] <fta> dtchen, ^^
[00:42] <fta> still no sound
[00:46] <dtchen> eek, they ended up in libpulse-dev
[00:46] <dtchen> i should /ctcp trout luke ;)
[00:48] <fta> is he traveling too?
[00:48] <dtchen> he should be doing the desktop sprint thing
[00:49] <dtchen> oh dear, this source package is all sorts of glue-huffing
[00:50] <dtchen> fta: it's correct to not have a libpulsecore9 anymore; that bit is now required and part of the pulseaudio package
[00:51] <fta> i had to force it, it was blocking the upgrade
[00:51] <fta> i mean, dist-upgrade removed it
[00:52] <fta> upgrade kept pulseaudio on hold
[00:53] <dtchen> ~ppa2 or ~ppa3?
[00:54] <fta> ppa3
[00:54] <dtchen> ok
[00:54] <fta> 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[00:57] <dtchen> ok, added missing modules to debian/pulseaudio.install
[00:58] <dtchen> fta: in the meantime, try installing libpulse-dev; those modules are in that package
[01:00] <fta> well, it's dragging a lot of other -dev with it, i can wait until tomorrow, it's already late here
[01:00] <dtchen> ok, thanks for testing!
[01:01] <fta> mplayer is fine (as always), i can finish my series and go to sleep
[01:01] <fta> flashplayer is fine too, in ff3.2 so youtube works too
[01:01] <fta> everything else is silent
[01:02] <dtchen> looks like they're going directly through alsa?
[01:11] <fta> seems so
[01:11] <fta> openarena is fine too
[01:12] <dtchen> good, at least alsa's not broken yet ;)
[05:10] <saivann> asac : Any news about bug 324635?
[09:46] <XioNoX> Hi!
[09:58] <XioNoX> Since I4ve updated firefox 3.1 on my jaunty, I've got this error : "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b2 and 1.9.1b2." Someone have an idea ?
[10:00] <XioNoX> Because only the version "
[10:00] <XioNoX> 1.9.1b3pre" is installed
[11:12] <BUGabundo> asac: FF3.1 still not fixed?
[11:24] <XioNoX> BUGabundo: Still nothing for me :)
[11:24] <BUGabundo> yeah me neither
[11:25] <BUGabundo> fta said  it already on the queue
[11:25] <BUGabundo> but he was waiting for asac ok!
[11:25] <BUGabundo> 3.2 is a bit messy this week, so I miss 3.1
[11:25] <BUGabundo> guess I'll have to downgrade
[11:25] <XioNoX> ok, good to hear that
[11:25] <XioNoX> I've download
[11:26] <BUGabundo> XioNoX: not download: DOWNGRADE
[11:26] <XioNoX> I've download firefox 3.1 b2 32bits to have a working firefox 3.1
[11:27] <XioNoX> But it is weird that there are no 64bits version on mozilla ftp
[11:29] <BUGabundo> don't use the upstream version
[11:29] <BUGabundo> either use the repos, fta PPA, or asac PPA
[15:10] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[15:10] <BUGabundo> ff 3.1   Installed: 3.1~b3~hg20090122r22900+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[15:10] <BUGabundo> I still don't get your update
[17:26] <fta2> asac, i still hate n-m
[17:27] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[17:27] <BUGabundo> what did it do now, fta2?
[17:27] <fta2> damn, i have to reboot, hibernation didn't work well. brb
[17:34] <BUGabundo> fta2 yeah sometimes NM doesn't like suspend/hibernate
[17:36] <fta2> no, back from hibernation, after a few minutes my laptop started to emit a continuous sound, almost an ultra sound
[17:36] <fta2> not related to nm
[17:36] <fta2> it's the kernel
[17:39] <BUGabundo> xiiiii
[17:39] <BUGabundo>  never seen that
[17:40] <fta2> i remember the dell guy at uds told me this was a known bug in my laptop series but it was fixed in the kernel now
[17:40] <fta2> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/nm1.png
[17:40] <fta2> @time
[17:40] <fta2> ping
[17:41] <fta2> bug 1
[17:41] <fta2> bug 1234
[17:41] <fta2> ok, i'm still there
[17:42] <fta2> gwibber crashed on startup
[17:49] <BUGabundo> ehe
[17:49] <BUGabundo> gwibber is crashing a bit
[17:49] <BUGabundo> oh about the click... today its working...
[17:49] <BUGabundo> haven't had to click twice once
[17:50] <fta2> it's not, there's no reason why it should be. the way to reproduce it is not clearly identified yet
[17:50] <fta2> webkit is the crasher here
[17:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:00] <paran> Hi, I just built the new jaunty b3 firefox-3.1,xulrunner-1.9.1 packages on intrepid. everything builds, but firefox segfaults right away
[18:01] <paran> do you know if there are any new dependencies?
[18:02] <fta2> paran, why did you build it yourself? and how?
[18:03] <paran> because I am using intrepid, and it is not in -backports. I build using prevu as that is easier than manual pbuilder :)
[18:04] <fta2> we have it in two PPAs for intrepid and hardy
[18:04] <paran> I have been using my own builds of b2+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu without any problems
[18:05] <fta2> well, without more info of how you built yours, i can't help.
[18:05] <fta2> tested binaries are there: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa
[18:05] <fta2> and daily builds: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[18:05] <paran> well, I built using... prevu xulrunner-1.9.1; prevu-update; prevu firefox-3.1
[18:05] <fta2> (daily = untested)
[18:06] <paran> and prevu is really just a fancy wrapper around "apt-get source" and pbuilder
[18:07] <fta2> never heard of prevu so i can't help.
[18:07] <fta2> sorry
[18:07] <fta2> try to get a backtrace, maybe it will be helpful to understand what's going on
[18:07] <paran> as I said, downloading the source and using pbuilder _should_ be the same result. I could try and compare if you like.
[18:07] <paran> but I will see if the PPA packages works first
[18:08] <paran> I have been avoiding PPAs in the past because I don't like unsigned repos, but the launchpad team have fixed that now :)
[18:13] <BUGabundo> fta2 I've been beaching about the segfaults of 3.1 and 3.2 for weeks
[18:13] <BUGabundo> you said its just like that!
[18:13] <BUGabundo> eehhe
[18:14] <BUGabundo> humm do you need another daily build testers?
[18:14] <fta2> BUGabundo, the only crash i'm aware of is the one on shutdown, for which i filed a bug upstream and no one clearly understand what's happening
[18:15] <BUGabundo> nope
[18:15] <BUGabundo> any time a another up opens a link
[18:15] <BUGabundo> a new tab/wind is open and I  get a crash/segfault
[18:15] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa is there for 2 reasons: some people like dailies, we need it to isolate regressions
[18:16] <BUGabundo> I even marked it as ignore on apport
[18:16] <fta2> BUGabundo, it's the same crash, it's on shutdown (from the new process that is started when you click, not from the exisiting ff window)
[18:17] <BUGabundo> starting to use mozilla daily...
[18:17] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:17] <BUGabundo> guess it's the same bug
[18:17] <BUGabundo> but its not at shutdone
[18:18] <BUGabundo> unless you count the subprocess the starts, launch, and then dies
[18:18] <fta2> gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in KJS::Lexer::lex()
[18:18] <fta2> here it is
[18:18] <fta2> webkit crash it is
[18:19] <paran> fta2: hm... your ppa illustrates one other reason I often prefer to backport myself, people throw too many packages in their ppas.
[18:20] <fta2> paran, don't use it then, i don't mind, i have enough users that are happy with it and send me feedbacks when needed
[18:20] <paran> fta2: does firefox 3.1 need a new cairo, nspr, nss, mercurial, mozilla-devscripts to work on intrepid? if so then you should probably bump the build-deps :)
[18:21] <fta2> no
[18:21] <fta2> try the daily ppa, it has none of those
[18:21] <fta2> and it's ok on intrepid, afaik
[18:22] <paran> also, I didn't mean that your ppa wouldn't work
[18:24] <BUGabundo> fta2: are you ever going to have debug builds on PPAs?
[18:25] <fta2> BUGabundo, i do, the -dbg are there
[18:26] <fta2> ppa are not creating -dbgsym so i re-added the good old -dbg
[18:28] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[18:28] <BUGabundo> is it as good for LP reports?
[18:28] <fta2> i'd say it's even better
[18:31] <BUGabundo> ohh
[18:31] <BUGabundo> everyone just asks me for dbgsym
[18:32] <fta2> the good thing about dbgsym is that it is transparently created by the builders (it's disabled for PPA)
[18:33] <fta2> while for -dbg, you need to add them in the d/control file
[18:33] <fta2> and they are carried in the archive, while -dbgsym are stored some place else
[18:35] <fta2> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build
[18:35] <fta2> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given
[18:58] <fta2> BUGabundo, please don't forward my messages without asking
[18:58] <fta2> dinner time. cu
[19:39] <asac> ola
[19:49] <BUGabundo> ola asac
[19:50] <BUGabundo> learning Portuguese?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> dinner
[21:02] <fta2> asac, here? what should i search for in the lshal output?
[21:06] <fta2> is there a way to have any kind of info about why my connection is failing? (i just see a "Disconnected" notification)
[21:06] <BUGabundo> yeah.. I need to learn how to debug NMs timeouts and segfaults
[21:06] <BUGabundo> got 2 today
[21:07] <BUGabundo> while transitioning from Open Wifi to WPA2 enterprise
[22:09] <fta2> asac, i remember from 2 UDS ago that the update manager was supposed to be disabled when using 3G, what's the status on that?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> did it?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> is it useful?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> just to save bandwight?
[22:11] <fta2> yes
[22:12] <fta2> most of the time, you have to pay for 3G/GPRS/Edge/... based on usage
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:12] <BUGabundo> here too
[22:12] <BUGabundo> ppl get 1GiB or 2
[22:15]  * BUGabundo stupid me... closed IM client
[22:15] <BUGabundo> fta about the debug packages
[22:15] <BUGabundo> if I only have the -debug, what do I need to run to start it?
[22:17] <fta2> eh?? the -dbg are only useful inside debuggers like gdb
[22:17] <fta2> which package do you want to debug?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> any lol
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I get pleanty of crashs
[22:19] <BUGabundo> ok if I can just run gdb, I guess i know all I need
[22:19] <BUGabundo> already do it daily for pidgin, kmail, etc
[22:20] <fta2> gdb myapp
[22:20] <fta2> r
[22:20] <BUGabundo> now just need to format and reinstall to get more disk
[22:20] <fta2> make it crash
[22:20] <fta2> bt
[22:20] <fta2> all thread b t
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:20] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             9.3G  8.3G  510M  95% /
[22:20] <BUGabundo> bt full is what I do
[22:20] <fta2> 10G! small
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:20] <BUGabundo> disk is 320GiBs
[22:20] <BUGabundo> my mistake
[22:20] <fta2> dual boot?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> nope, just jaunty
[22:21] <BUGabundo>  /home is XFS and I can resize it down
[22:21] <BUGabundo> even swap is 8GiBs
[22:21] <asac> BUGabundo: how is your firefox IO on xfs?
[22:21] <asac> is that notably better than ext3?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> asac: humm how can I compare?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> LLOL
[22:21] <BUGabundo> been runinig this for an year now
[22:22] <BUGabundo> old laptop was etx3
[22:22] <BUGabundo> but was a 3 old year machine
[22:22] <BUGabundo> not fair to compare
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I want to test ext4
[22:22] <BUGabundo> no idea if I should go with one or 2 partions scheme
[22:23] <BUGabundo> asac: any sugestions on that?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> asac: do you know any !firefox addon to mesure RAM usage for each tab, like !chrome does?
[22:29] <asac> not sure ... do you see considerable IO in your gnome performance applet?
[22:30] <fta2> i remember a bug in bugzilla to provide about:memory with a pie chart
[22:30] <BUGabundo> that would be nice
[22:30] <fta2> it was supposed to land 1st as an addon
[22:30] <BUGabundo> I don't have any IO applet
[22:30] <BUGabundo> just CPU freq and temp sensors
[22:33] <BUGabundo> asac: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop/fulldesktop.png.php
[22:33] <BUGabundo> see why i can't have anything else in there
[22:55] <asac> BUGabundo: syste3m monitor applet allows to monitor io
[22:56] <BUGabundo> asac: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-SysmonitorScreenlet.py.png
[22:57] <BUGabundo> too fulled too....eheh
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and I just have it on the backgound
[22:57] <asac> i ment applet not screenlet
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:58] <BUGabundo> let me get one
[22:59] <BUGabundo> but I have no idea where to place it
[22:59] <BUGabundo> all bars are FULL
[23:01] <fta2> remove the Main Menu and add the Menu Bar (or the opposite, i don't remember which is which)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:02] <fta2> you will gain ~10%
[23:03] <BUGabundo> but I use it a bit
[23:03] <fta2> just the ubuntu logo instead of the logo + App + Places + System
[23:03] <fta2> it's the same
[23:04] <fta2> click the logo, you get the 3 menus
[23:04] <fta2> it's a compact version
[23:05] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:05] <BUGabundo> let me try
[23:06] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:06] <BUGabundo> I can leave with that
[23:13] <fta2> leave ? or live ?
[23:13] <fta2> :)
[23:14] <fta2> damn kernel, what is that sound
[23:14] <asac> not glitch free ;)?
[23:15] <fta2> it's my laptop
[23:15] <fta2> massive upgrade yesterday, now it's all different
[23:15] <fta2> and 3G is slow (i'm in the country side)
[23:16] <fta2> not sure it's even 3G, damn n-m is silent
[23:16] <fta2> gives me no clue
[23:16] <asac> did you took crimsuns changes that he said were "very intrusive" :)?
[23:16] <asac> fta2: why does nm not tell?
[23:16] <fta2> not on this laptop, but in my desktop at home, yes
[23:17] <fta2> if i'm on 3G or some lower network
[23:17] <fta2> and connection time.. it will cost me a lot
[23:18] <fta2> and i'm quite sure it locked my other SIM card (I have 2)
[23:26] <fta2> asac, ^^


[00:21] <Skyline969> Is this the official Xubuntu IRC channel?
[00:22] <zoredache> yes...  See the topic
[00:22] <Skyline969> I have a bit of problem booting Xubuntu as a Live CD. It did the typical startup (starting Bluetooth) and everything, but now it's stuck at a black screen.
[00:23] <Skyline969> Starting bluetooth was just an example, it did everything else properly as well.
[00:23] <Skyline969> The CPU light is a constant green, meaning it's working itself hard. But should it be at this black screen for so long?
[00:24] <zoredache> how long in seconds/minutes is 'so long'
[00:24] <Skyline969> 10-20 minutes.
[00:24] <zoredache> that is definatly too long
[00:24] <Skyline969> Well, this laptop only has 128 MB of RAM, and it's a 700 MHz CPU.
[00:25] <Skyline969> The one right next to me, I mean.
[00:25] <zoredache> I don't t hink the livecd will work on 128
[00:25] <Skyline969> It says on the website it should.
[00:25] <Skyline969> My other computer handled the Ubuntu Live CD with 128 MB RAM and only a 300 MHz CPU.
[00:26] <Skyline969> This one should be capable of handling Xubuntu since it's supposed to use considerably less resources.
[00:27] <TheSheep> Skyline969: to use livecd you need at least 192MB of ram
[00:27] <Skyline969> Alright, CPU light has stopped being constantly green. It now occasionally blinks for a few seconds.
[00:28] <TheSheep> Skyline969: use alternate cd if you have less
[00:28] <Skyline969> Alright. But what does Xubuntu require again in terms of RAM once installed?
[00:28] <TheSheep> depends what you do with it
[00:28] <Skyline969> Probably just work and music.
[00:28] <Skyline969> I'll be downloading the restricted extras for sure.
[00:29] <TheSheep> it can run with 64MB of ram, but that would be extremely slow -- like 20 minutes to start an application
[00:29] <Skyline969> I NEED MP3 support.
[00:29] <Skyline969> The computer in my living room has 128 MB RAM and it handles things fine.
[00:29] <TheSheep> it should handle mp3
[00:29] <Skyline969> I can do work on it. No soundcard though. Something wrong with the PCI slot the card is in.
[00:29] <TheSheep> some "heavy" applications like firefox or openoffice will be slow
[00:30] <Skyline969> Does Xubuntu not use AbiWord instead of OO?
[00:30] <TheSheep> yes
[00:30] <TheSheep> but many people install oo
[00:30] <Skyline969> That should be quicker than OO. I use AbiWord on the laptop on its Windows installation.
[00:30] <Skyline969> Just like I use FireFox too.
[00:31] <Skyline969> It takes around 30 seconds to start FF and/or AW, but they work perfectly once set up.
[00:31] <TheSheep> as long as you don't try to use both at the same time :)
[00:31] <Skyline969> On my Windows setup, I use AW, FF, and Winamp at the same time.
[00:32] <Skyline969> No real lag.
[00:32] <Skyline969> I mean, of course it has SOME now and then, but it's not too terrible that it's impossible to work with.
[00:32] <TheSheep> I'd expect heavy swapping
[00:32] <Skyline969> Just increase the pagefile size.
[00:32] <Skyline969> I set mine to around 712 MB.
[00:32] <TheSheep> you can make xubuntu take about 60-70MB at startup
[00:32] <TheSheep> that leaves 64MB for apps
[00:33] <TheSheep> which is not bad
[00:33] <Skyline969> If I made it use 65, would that make things reasonable considering the specs of my laptop?
[00:34] <Skyline969> Wait wait... there's an install feature on the boot menu of Xubuntu. Can I just use that instead of downloading the entire Alternate Install CD?
[00:34] <TheSheep> not sure
[00:34] <TheSheep> it still starts Xorg
[00:34] <Skyline969> Alright. I'm gonna back up my stuff from Windows first.
[00:35] <Skyline969> One final question.
[00:35] <Skyline969> Is Xubuntu just as customizable as Ubuntu? I want to make Xubuntu look like Max OSX like I can on Ubuntu.
[00:36] <TheSheep> Skyline969: it is customizable, but not necessarily using GUI
[00:36] <Skyline969> Do you know about the Mac4Lin project?
[00:36] <TheSheep> Skyline969: but I've seen xfce made to look like macos
[00:37] <Skyline969> I plan on trying to utilize the Mac4Lin project on the laptop once I install Xubuntu.
[00:37] <TheSheep> no idea what it is, but good luck
[00:37] <Skyline969> Alright... so the Alternate Install CD is what I need huh?
[00:38] <TheSheep> yeah
[00:38] <TheSheep> or you could put the disk into some box with more ram and use the livecd
[00:38] <Skyline969> No clue how to use it (I assume it would be a command prompt, but once installed it would be the Xubuntu desktop I see) but I'm sure I can figure it out.
[00:38] <TheSheep> no, it's a menu-based installer, just in text mode
[00:39] <Skyline969> Ah, alright. But it will still show the desktop once installed, right?
[00:39] <TheSheep> yes, it installs exactly the same stuff
[00:39] <Skyline969> I tried using nothing but the terminal while messing with video cards. That's not easy.
[00:39] <TheSheep> one gets used to it
[00:39] <Skyline969> Aha! Got an error message!
[00:40] <Skyline969> Failed to start the X server. It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X... something... then it went blank. Now I have a blinking cursor.
[00:40] <TheSheep> so it probably didn't have enough ram to start Xorg
[00:41] <Skyline969> I suppose.
[00:41] <Skyline969> And now it...shut down.
[00:41] <Skyline969> I'll be right back. Gotta start dinner.
[00:41]  * TheSheep goes to bed
[00:41] <TheSheep> good luck
[00:42] <Skyline969> Well, gonna contact my friend and get the Alternate Install CD.
[00:42] <Skyline969> Thanks for all your help.
[00:43] <Skyline969> What the?!?!
[00:43] <Skyline969> This is not good.
[00:43] <Skyline969> Oh.. whew... fixed the problem.
[00:45] <Rockj> Hey. What do you guys use to control speedstep on a laptop?
[00:45] <Rockj> with xfce4 ?
[00:45] <Skyline969> Control Speedstep?
[00:45] <Rockj> all the plugins for the taskbar is only for viewing
[00:45] <Skyline969> Mind if I ask what that is?
[00:45] <Rockj> yes, changing from performance mode to powersave and so on
[00:45] <Rockj> control speed on your cpu.
[00:45] <Skyline969> Aha, I see.
[00:45] <Skyline969> I'm just about to download the Alternate Install CD to install Xubuntu.
[00:46] <Lzr> This is my first time installing Ubuntu or any of its flavors. I'm trying to get it installed on my laptop but the install freezes on the step that loads the partitioning program, am I screwed?
[00:46] <Skyline969> I think your answer you get would be useful to me too.
[00:46] <Skyline969> Lzr: Give it a lot of time. How long has it been frozen for?
[00:47] <Lzr> Skyline969: I gave it roughly 5 minutes, then the sound of the CD spinning stopped along with the hard disk
[00:48] <Skyline969> Ah. I would give it at least 30 minutes before I would be worried.
[00:48] <Rockj> hum, wait another 5 min Lzr . if not working, try reboot and try again. My laptop got a lousy cdrom atleast
[00:48] <Skyline969> Again, depends on if your computer is new or if it's a junker.
[00:48] <Rockj> so helps burning at slow speed
[00:49] <Lzr> It's an older laptop, but I've been using XP on it for a couple of years now. My first install with Ubuntu froze so I snagged Xubuntu since it only has 256mb of ram, burned it at 1x just a few hours ago.
[00:49] <Skyline969> Hmm, is it the Desktop CD or is it the Alternate Install CD?
[00:50] <Lzr> Desktop CD - Is that too much of a load for it?
[00:50] <Skyline969> Could be.
[00:50] <Skyline969> Try the Alternate Install CD.
[00:50] <Skyline969> That;s what I'm doing on my old laptop.
[00:52] <Skyline969> Matter if fact, please excuse me. I need to download that ISO on my father's computer.
[00:52] <Lzr> Alright, I'll snag that version then and cross my fingers! I've got this compulsion to at least be inside a GUI environment with a working Internet connection before I can start getting used to things, hehe.
[00:53] <Lzr> Thanks for the help!
[00:53] <Skyline969> Best of luck to you, Lzr!
[00:53] <Lzr> Thanks to you too Rockj - I have no doubt my cdrom is a piece of junk on that laptop, but it's all I've got :(
[00:54] <Skyline969> Aye, mine too.
[00:54] <Skyline969> Work with what you got, though, right?
[00:55] <Lzr> Yup.
[00:58] <Rockj> Skyline969: http://www.totalnetsolutions.net/2007/08/13/how-to-increase-battery-life-in-ubuntu-or-debian-linux/
[00:59] <Rockj> that should do the trick I guess
[00:59] <Skyline969> Very nice. I'll check it out. Thanks.
[00:59] <Rockj> going to reboot to test and see if stuff loads fine
[00:59] <Skyline969> Good luck.
[00:59] <Rockj> ill probably check out too, since its 2am now
[00:59] <Rockj> so nite nite :)
[00:59] <Skyline969> Oh wow. Only 6 PM here.
[00:59] <Rockj> *logs of his screen*
[00:59] <Skyline969> Good night. =)
[00:59] <Rockj> Norway here (yes, norway , not the capital of sweden or something like that - but Norway - a country :P)
[01:00] <Skyline969> Canada here. =P
[01:01] <Skyline969> I hope there are Linux versions of the emulators I use.
[01:02] <Lzr> What do you use?
[01:02] <Skyline969> FCE Ultra for a NES emulator, and either Snes9x OR ZSNES for a SNES emulator.
[01:03] <Skyline969> And VirtualBoyAdvance for a GBA emulator.
[01:03] <Skyline969> I only download ROMs of the games I own.
[01:04] <Skyline969> I know Snes9x is available for download as a Linux version, but I don't know how to compile tarballs.
[01:06] <Lzr> Hmm, while waiting for the iso to download I accidentally booted up into the non-installed version. I'm picking up my AP and the neighbor's, any ideas?
[01:07] <Skyline969> Erm, AP?
[01:07] <Lzr> access point, sorry
[01:07] <Skyline969> Ah.
[01:07] <Skyline969> Well, what do you use as a wireless manager?
[01:07] <Skyline969> If you know which your SSID is (pardon me if I used the incorrect terminology) then just connect to that one.
[01:08] <Skyline969> Wait, you can use wireless with Xubuntu? I always had troubles with Ubuntu with my D-Link WUA-1340.
[01:08] <Lzr> I see the SSID and attempt to connect to it, but it goes back to "No network connection"
[01:08] <Skyline969> Never could get it to work. I installed Wine and installed the drivers right from the CD.
[01:08] <Skyline969> Try your neighbor's AP.
[01:08] <Skyline969> Don't tell him/her. =P
[01:09] <Lzr> Hehe, I'm sure mine works, disabled WEP on it just to test it out
[01:09] <Skyline969> See, no matter how hard I try, wireless is impossible for me.
[01:09] <Lzr> I do have MAC authentication enabled though...
[01:09] <Skyline969> That's why I'm installing on a laptop.
[01:09] <Skyline969> It will be able to be plugged directly into the router.
[01:10] <Skyline969> No wireless woes anymore!
[01:10] <Lzr> I'm hoping I can take this around with me to hotspots and such to do some work, if all goes well
[01:10] <Skyline969> Again, good luck. Wireless is the greatest Linux challenge at this moment in time.
[01:11] <Lzr> Darn, I waited a few years to try Linux again hoping these types of hurdles would be uncommon
[01:11] <Skyline969> Sadly, this one is quite common.
[01:11] <Skyline969> But this seems to be one of the only common ones.
[01:11] <Skyline969> I'm sure around Ubuntu 10 or so, wireless will be no problem.
[01:12] <Skyline969> But until then, we have to use wired connections.
[01:12] <Skyline969> I'll be back soon, dinner's finished.
[01:45] <Stroganoff> !wlan
[02:11] <Lzr> Alright, waited about 10 minutes now and the install is still frozen, guess I'll try the alternate version!
[03:21] <Skyline969> Alright. I got the Alternate Install CD. Rebooting my computer now. What install type should I choose for a normal install?
[03:52] <Skyline969> Can someone here help me?
[03:52] <Odd-rationale> Skyline969: what do you need?
[03:53] <Skyline969> I checked my CD for defects (Alternate Install CD) and it said something about a restricted driver file being corrupted. Should I re-download and burn the ISO onto another CD?
[03:53] <Odd-rationale> Skyline969: yes, most probably.
[03:53] <Skyline969> Keep in mind this is the *second* time I've had to burn the ISO onto a fresh CD.
[03:53] <Odd-rationale> burn slooooowly...
[03:53] <Skyline969> I burned at 32x....
[03:54] <Skyline969> Would 16x be alright?
[03:54] <Odd-rationale> also, check the md5sum of the iso before you burn
[03:54] <Skyline969> How?
[03:54] <Odd-rationale> md5sum /home/downloads/xubuntu.iso
[03:55] <Odd-rationale> or where ever you put the iso file...
[03:55] <Skyline969> I have the ISO downloaded on a Windows system.
[03:55] <Odd-rationale> oh. i forgot how to do that...
[03:55] <Odd-rationale> umm...
[03:55] <Skyline969> Heh.
[03:55] <Skyline969> It should be a fine download. It didn't lag out on the internet or anything.
[03:56] <Skyline969> I'll re-burn at 12x or even 8x to ensure quality.
[03:56] <Odd-rationale> Skyline969: well, you never know. hold on.
[03:56] <Skyline969> Alright.
[03:56] <Lzr> Skyline969: I found that whole idea funny too - to make sure I just reburned it at 1x, didn't take THAT long
[03:56] <Skyline969> How long is THAT long?
[03:56] <Lzr> More than THIS long
[03:57] <Odd-rationale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[03:57] <Lzr> Hehe :) BTW - The alternate version is working!
[03:57] <Skyline969> Time interval? In a number please? =P
[03:57] <Odd-rationale> Skyline969: ^
[03:57] <Skyline969> Told you it would work! =D
[03:57] <Lzr> About 10 mins or so
[03:57] <Skyline969> Thank you Odd.
[03:58] <Odd-rationale> Skyline969: compare the md5sum of your iso with the official one here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[03:58] <Skyline969> I see it Odd.
[03:59] <Skyline969> But how do I check the MD5SUM of my ISO?
[03:59] <Odd-rationale> see the first link i gave you. scroll down the the windows instructions.
[03:59] <Odd-rationale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[03:59] <Skyline969> Alright.
[04:00] <Lzr> Skyline969: Does the installation usually take a long time? As in, 30+ minutes?
[04:00] <Skyline969> The installation for Ubuntu on my old computer took roughly 35 minutes.
[04:00] <Odd-rationale> Lzr: yes the installtion can take about that long.
[04:00] <Skyline969> I've never installed Xubuntu before.
[04:01] <Skyline969> That whole hash checking thing makes my head spin. =P
[04:01] <Skyline969> I'll just re-burn with a sloooow speed like 8x.
[04:01] <Skyline969> 1/4 of the one I was using.
[04:01] <Odd-rationale> but if your iso is currupt, then the image you burn will be too.... Skyline969
[04:02] <Skyline969> I don't think it is corrupt. The download had no errors whatsoever.
[04:02] <Odd-rationale> ok...
[04:02] <Skyline969> Heh, if it says it's corrupt this time, I'll just re-download.
[04:02] <Skyline969> Thank you both for your help. Off I go to my friend's house to re-burn.
[04:05] <Lzr> Thanks Odd. After a few failed installs I'm being cautious. It's taking a veeery long time on "Retrieving aptitude..."
[04:05] <Odd-rationale> Lzr: some steps can take a while. especially on older hardware.
[04:08] <Lzr> Aww, it's not that old, reminds me of when I had to install via floppies. :)
[04:24] <Lzr> I think my system froze, still on 6% :(
[04:27] <Skyline969> Back finally.
[04:27] <Skyline969> Checking the CD for defects now.
[04:27] <Skyline969> I wrote it at 4x.
[04:29] <Skyline969> Well this is just wonderful... a blinking cursor when I set it to check for defects.
[04:31] <Lzr> At least you've gotten yours to install. I am not feeling this :/
[04:31] <Skyline969> No, it didn't install.
[04:32] <Skyline969> It locked up.
[04:32] <Skyline969> I restarted it, and now it won't boot from the CD.
[04:32] <Skyline969> I'm thinking of abandoning hope and just ordering the Ubuntu Alternate Install CD. That way I know it'll work.
[04:33] <Skyline969> This is the sixth CD I've wasted.
[04:33] <Lzr> Well, CDs are cheap, I wish the CD was the problem for me!
[04:34] <Skyline969> Thing is, I don't live in a city so I can't just go out and buy another 24-pack.
[04:36] <Mopman> how can i find out for definite what resolution x is running at?
[04:58] <steven__> cody you have a tablet, no?
[04:59] <Lzr> I need to sort out my partitions now due to failed installs :(
[04:59] <Lzr> I guess I can do that in Windows
[05:52] <steven__> Lzr what's the problem?
[07:51] <kam> hey, how to add my data partition to _pllaces_ in xubuntu ?
[09:28] <DaveKong> anyone know what it means to login to an xclientscript session?
[09:31] <DaveKong> Does that mean I am logging in to whatever my default is (gnome or xfc4) and just running some script as it happens?
[10:24] <mr_boo> hi
[10:24] <mr_boo> what filesystem does xubuntu use?
[10:25] <mr_boo> what i wanna know is that if i can reduce the size of the main partition
[11:25] <Riotta> mr_boo: ext3
[11:26] <Riotta> if you wanna resize "/" partition it should be possible with parted or any other more advanced partitioning app
[11:27] <Riotta> I would recommend GParted Boot CD: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:36] <mr_boo> thanks
[11:37] <Riotta> np
[11:41] <ParkerW> Does anyone know if it's possible to use a Vanilla version as the Foundation for a HTPC?
[11:51] <Riotta> ye I think it's possible
[11:51] <Riotta> you have so many apps for htpc in repos
[11:51] <Riotta> i.e. mythtv
[11:51] <ParkerW> yeah downloading that now
[11:51] <ParkerW> And already have Elisa which is cool
[11:55] <Riotta> I only don't know how will be with HDCP media
[11:55] <Riotta> even if your card support it by hardware
[11:56] <Riotta> I dunno if linux support it somehow
[11:56] <Riotta> so potentially it can be some problems when playing DRM-like coded blue ray material
[11:59] <ParkerW> ?
[11:59] <ParkerW> I have a Blue Ray Console Player actually.
[11:59] <ParkerW> This machine is just a test run. I am going to be getting a better system.
[11:59] <ParkerW> and they actually make Linux based HTPC servers
[12:18] <ParkerW> Okay, so that that's settled. Does anyone know if there is LightScribe support for Xubuntu?
[12:23] <Twinkletoes|W> Is is possible to edit the menus for ALL user, rather than just one?  I can't find any info how to do it
[12:31] <Riotta> ParkerW: yes there is lightscribe support on linux
[12:31] <Riotta> there are some apps for it
[12:31] <ParkerW> I found it thanks
[12:32] <Riotta> yeah google for them
[12:32] <Riotta> Twinkletoes|W: what you want to do ?
[12:32] <ParkerW> Now Im trying to install my ATI Radeon 7000 and enable Multi Head disply
[12:33] <Twinkletoes|W> Riotta: I installed an application called "BToolkit", and rather than get users to open a termonal and type a command, I want it to be available from the applications menu (or sub-menu)
[12:33] <Riotta> ok
[12:33] <Riotta> theres a easy way for doing this
[12:34] <Riotta> in your home directory
[12:34] <Riotta> you have
[12:34] <Riotta> a dir called .local
[12:34] <Riotta> go to .local/share/applications
[12:34] <Riotta> in there you will see
[12:35]  * Twinkletoes|W is listening
[12:35] <Riotta> lots of *.desktop files
[12:35] <Riotta> :)
[12:35] <Riotta> just edit one of this
[12:35] <Riotta> and save as name_of_your_app.desktop
[12:35] <Twinkletoes|W> Riotta: What about new users?
[12:35] <Riotta> the strings in those files are preatty easy to understand
[12:35] <Riotta> you can do the same
[12:35] <Riotta> system wide
[12:36] <Riotta> for all users
[12:36] <Twinkletoes|W> ie. is there a skeleton dir?
[12:36] <Riotta> the similar directory is in
[12:36] <Riotta>  /usr/share/applications
[12:36] <Twinkletoes|W> Aha... le tme try, thank you :)
[12:36] <Riotta> so if you copy the made by you *.desktop entry it will work system wide
[12:36] <Riotta> np
[12:38] <ParkerW> Riotta know anything about Multi Head?
[12:39] <ParkerW> Display
[12:39] <Riotta> well dunno bout ati I had the same card as you in past and it was real pain to get it working and it hasn't got official drivers from amd
[12:40] <Riotta> so dunno bout this card but multihead is supported by linux there are few ways to do it i.e. xinerama
[12:40] <ParkerW> Yeah that's the problem I have this great guide. But I am installing it using the Intel Integrated Display.
[12:41] <ParkerW> Apparently loads of people have gotten it to work.
[12:41] <ParkerW> I just don't know how to setup The ATI card and still have video on the Intel Chipset
[12:41] <ParkerW> So I have to tell it to use both of them at the same time.
[12:41] <ParkerW> Bother Bother lol
[12:50] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[12:50] <doktoreas> what do you think about installing xubuntu on a  pentium 3 with 128 Mb di ram
[13:01] <jarnos> doktoreas, go ahead; I don't know if Zenwalk is any faster, but it suits to it's "Hardware Requirements" mentioned at http://www.zenwalk.org/. (Zenwalk seems to be using the same Xfce desktop environment)
[13:03] <doktoreas> on the xubuntu site I have seen that the alternate need just 64 mb
[13:03] <doktoreas> :O
[13:05] <ablomen> doktoreas, thats the install process itself
[13:05] <ablomen> so the installer only need 64
[13:06] <ablomen> and youll need to use that because the livecd installer wont run on anything less then 196mb
[13:07] <doktoreas> ablomen: are there any main differences from standard and alternate?
[13:08] <ablomen> just the installer
[13:08] <doktoreas> it is still with GUI?
[13:08] <doktoreas> it will be ran by my girlfriend with me on the phone
[13:08] <pleia2> no, but it's not hard to use
[13:08] <ablomen> well a tui actually, but still easy
[13:09] <ablomen> same questions etc as the gui, only without X11 gtk etc
[13:10] <doktoreas> nice
[13:10] <doktoreas> let's roll then :) see you alter and thanks for help
[13:11] <doktoreas> s:alter/later
[13:19] <ablomen> np good luck doktoreas :)
[13:35] <Parker1> Hey guys, I have a huge problem
[13:35] <Parker1> I ran Xorg config and it didn't work.
[13:35] <Parker1> it only allowed me to Configure the input devices
[13:41] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I have a intel graphic carte embbeded in my motherboard, any idea if there's a intel control panel available were I could tweak antialiasing and such?
[13:48] <Parker1> Xorg Config error
[13:48] <Parker1> any ideas?
[13:48] <Parker1> Won't let me configure Xorg
[13:49] <daurnimator> hmm
[13:49] <daurnimator> it seems xfce4panel seg faults if you change themes heaps
[13:50] <daurnimator>  - try going through lots of themes: after about 30 it segfaults
[13:50] <daurnimator> along with everything you've opened
[13:51] <Parker1> I hope you aren't talking to me?
[13:54] <Parker1> Okay, here's the problem.
[13:54] <Parker1> I try to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and instead of taking me to the Video device setup it takes me to The Input and that's that.
[13:55] <Parker1> Then when I open the xorg.conf with gedit it doesn't show ANY Video Device
[14:04] <daurnimator> [1147809.221090] xfce4-panel[6034]: segfault at b14dc5a4 eip b7581d28 esp bfb6aa6c error 4
[14:04] <daurnimator> [1147809.427249] xfce-mcs-manage[6043]: segfault at b67e55a4 eip b766ed28 esp bfd62afc error 4
[14:04] <daurnimator> (from dmesg)
[14:12] <TheSheep> !bugs | daurnimator
[14:13] <TheSheep> Parker1: try sudo displayconfig-gtk instead
[15:00] <u007> hi, i've installed ubuntu, and then installed xubuntu-desktop... right now, y xfdesktop seem to close on restart... is there anyway to fix it?
[15:02] <Riotta> u007 well...
[15:02] <u007> Riotta, eh? :)
[15:03] <Riotta> wait I don't want to spamm whole channel like few days ago :d
[15:03] <Riotta> I will pastebin it
[15:05] <Riotta> u007: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19643/
[15:05] <Riotta> it's actually one big command
[15:05] <u007> okay :D
[15:05] <Riotta> it removes ubuntu/gnome stuff
[15:05] <Riotta> and installs only xubuntu-desktop part
[15:05] <u007> ohh.. hmm
[15:06] <Riotta> it may resolv your problem
[15:06] <Riotta> it's like you've only install xubuntu
[15:06] <Riotta> not ubuntu
[15:06] <u007> Riotta, i need things like evolution :)
[15:06] <u007> i'm already using it...
[15:07] <u007> but that is a great help :)
[15:07] <u007> Riotta, thank you :)
[15:07] <Riotta> well you can always install things you need after that
[15:11] <u007> Riotta, okay :P
[16:43] <steven_> hey you got it u007
[16:44] <u007> steven_, i haven't try it
[18:21] <KurtKraut> Is it possible to have Compiz in Xubuntu without XGL ?
[18:28] <TheSheep> !compiz
[18:34] <Valis_> hello
[18:34] <Valis_> Is there a way to make Scite the default text editor? It does not appear in the 'Open With' menu
[18:37] <TheSheep> Valis_: just type i in the text field below
[18:38] <Valis_> iah I've got it now
[18:38] <Valis_> *ah
[20:51] <exiledhellfire> why does it seem that I can't stretch Icons in Xubuntu when I've read otherwise
[20:53] <TheSheep> exiledhellfire: because you can't, you've been tricked
[20:53] <exiledhellfire> I'll live I'm sure
[20:54] <TheSheep> exiledhellfire: are you sure it wasn't about ubuntu?
[20:55] <exiledhellfire> where I read it he was jumping back and forth between the two, so I' curious though is it not possible even with thunar?
[20:55] <ablomen> exiledhellfire, you can make the panels bigger
[20:56] <ablomen> but stretching icons on the desktop or in the filebrowser (both thunar i think) is not possible
[20:56] <exiledhellfire> well its not probabale, possible it is but with alot of work arounds I'm sure
[20:57] <TheSheep> since it's opensource, you can always implement it :)
[20:57] <ablomen> heh sure if you want to edit the code it is possible
[20:57] <TheSheep> if that's what you mean by workaround
[20:58] <exiledhellfire> more or less
[20:58] <exiledhellfire> I don't know if I want to take the time though
[21:00] <nikolam> Hi. Does ANYONE have usable UDF CDRW or DVD+-RW disks? I use Xubuntu 8.04 64-bit
[21:00] <nikolam> I cant manage to make UDF disks usable since i converted wrom windows
[21:00] <TheSheep> I wonder how will thunar in xfce 4.6 look like :)
[21:00] <nikolam> I have 20+ UDF DVD`s I can`t use since
[21:00] <nikolam> TheSheep, Buggy as usual ;P
[21:00] <ablomen> thunar and buggy?
[21:01] <TheSheep> nikolam: personally I never had any problems with thunar
[21:01] <TheSheep> nikolam: with xfdesktop and panels -- yes, but never with thunar
[21:01] <nikolam> Personally I had all possible problems with thunar
[21:01] <nikolam> gam_server also
[21:01] <nikolam> so I am not usig it anytime possible
[21:01] <nikolam> I am using ocmanfm now
[21:02] <nikolam> pcmanfm
[21:02] <karltk> when I click on a URL in pidgin/liferea/xfce4-terminal on desktop #1, my firefox gets activated and moved from desktop #2 to desktop #1. I've enabled focus stealing prevention, but not found a way to avoid this window move. Any ideas?
[21:02] <nikolam> UDF kingdom for working UDF disks
[21:03] <TheSheep> karltk: http://sheep.art.pl/2007-09-08_Firefox_jumping_between_workspaces_in_XFCE
[21:03] <nikolam> Also I have problems with USB stick didn`t get recognised after 3th inserting
[21:03] <TheSheep> nikolam: isn't udf a mac thing?
[21:03] <nikolam> nOPE
[21:03] <nikolam> UDF is Linux thing as much as windows thing
[21:04] <TheSheep> sorry, confused it with hfs
[21:04] <nikolam> I used to use Udf on windblows very happily wirh read/write
[21:04] <TheSheep> or something
[21:04] <nikolam> Now I can`t even read UDF`s
[21:04] <nikolam> Yes, Its just few letters :)
[21:05] <nikolam> TheSheep, I am thinking of staying on Stable 8.04 for a long time now
[21:05] <nikolam> Do you recommend that?
[21:06] <TheSheep> no idea, personally I'm used to much less stable distros, so I'm riding the wind
[21:07] <nikolam> I would like to use stable release, and to add newer programs I need to be updated etc.
[21:07] <karltk> TheSheep: great! that did the trick. thanksalot:)
[21:08] <nikolam> TheSheep, What do you thing about sites like Getdeb and so
[21:08] <TheSheep> nikolam: the effort would be better spent at MOTU
[21:08] <TheSheep> nikolam: although the presentation is more firendly than the repos
[21:09] <nikolam> a-ha! got to look what MOTU is hmm 10x
[21:09] <TheSheep> nikolam: masters of the universe, the guys who add to the universe/multiverse repos
[21:10] <nikolam> wow :)
[21:10] <ablomen> they are pretty strict though
[21:10] <TheSheep> maybe another layer of repos would be nice then
[21:10]  * ablomen likes the ppa thing
[21:11] <nikolam> Is it true that Sparc Version is abandoned?
[21:12] <ablomen> mostly nice for newer software that doesnt require new libs
[21:12] <ablomen> or newer libs that are depended upon by other software that is
[21:14] <nikolam> So, HOW do I enable UDF read/write support in kernel?
[21:17] <bitmouse> hmm, my system won't play dvd's with vlc or totem, any ideas?
[21:17] <bitmouse> am I missing something?
[21:19] <ablomen> !restricted formats
[21:19] <ablomen> bitmouse, click on those links :)
[21:19] <bitmouse> i can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:19] <bitmouse> I don't have the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:22] <bitmouse> damn, thought I already got the restricted extras, do I need gstreamer or anything?
[21:24] <TheSheep> you need dvdcss2
[21:24] <TheSheep> libdvdcss2
[21:25] <bitmouse> ahh, what about the ubuntu-restricted-extras ?? should I stop that?
[21:26] <bitmouse> aptitude says no candidate for libdvdcss2
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> bitmouse: did you add the medibuntu repo? libdvdcss2 is in the medibuntu repo...
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu
[21:27] <TheSheep> bitmouse: you need to add the medibuntu repository, as described on that link
[21:28] <bitmouse> this is not a dis, but one day there will be a ubuntu that installs and just works, and it will be swell
[21:29] <bitmouse> because that will become the peoples OS
[21:31] <bitmouse> but for people like me linux is great
[21:31] <bitmouse> if not a bit much too much to set up sometimes
[21:32] <TheSheep> bitmouse: the problem is that libdvdcss2 is illegal in some countires, like USA
[21:32] <TheSheep> countires
[21:32] <TheSheep> countries
[21:32] <bitmouse> USA = PoopSA sometimes
[21:32] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:32] <bitmouse> np
[21:33] <TheSheep> bitmouse: but Canonical is a USA company, and has to abide their laws
[21:33] <TheSheep> bitmouse: technically it's easy
[21:38] <bitmouse> word, I would just love this to install out of the box and do all the basic things that people want, mp3, ipod/media muffin, videos/dvds, internet, E-mail, Word Processing, image editing, gaming. Because it is so much better than MS anything.
[21:38] <bitmouse> and I think it would take off
[21:40] <bitmouse> that bit with the libdvdcss2 worked, for vlc, but now totem wants gstream I don't want to overload my system though. Any opinions?
[21:42] <TheSheep> it's just disk space
[21:42] <TheSheep> and not much of it
[21:43] <ablomen> and fstr
[21:43] <ablomen> woops
[21:43] <ablomen> *and gstreamer > xine
[21:44] <bitmouse> really, I was worried that more codecs = that program runs slower, and I was worried, cause I don't have much experience, that it might make my whole system run slower
[21:45] <bitmouse> really?
[21:45] <bitmouse> gstreamer is faster than xine? can you run on it's own?
[21:45] <bitmouse> or do you need to use totem
[21:46] <bitmouse> where does mplayer fit into the whole scheme?
[21:46] <ablomen> dunno if its faster, but more apps that i use use it anyway
[21:46] <ablomen> nah mplayer has its own codecs etc
[21:47] <eimajenthat> I have a machine running Ubuntu 8.04, but I was thinking about trying out Xubuntu.  Will things explode much if I do "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop," and can you even do that anymore?
[21:47] <bitmouse> my choice is vlc and xine, cause of the Gui's,
[21:47] <bitmouse> but I have heard alot about mplayer
[21:48] <ablomen> mplayer is great
[21:48] <bitmouse> eima: that works last time I heard, though I dunno if it will be 100% as fast as a fresh xubuntu install, anybody know?
[21:48] <ablomen> with mplayer and vlc you can play practicly anything
[21:48] <ablomen> but yeah the real power of mplayer is from the cli, though the guis are more then enough for most people
[21:48] <bitmouse> heard the fast forward function is fun in mplayer, everything speeds up, but still plays, and you will get as many frames as you machine can handle
[21:50] <ablomen> hmm nah afaik fast foreward is just skipping\
[21:50] <ablomen> libaa and libcaca are fun though
[21:50] <ablomen> (ascii and color ascii
[21:52] <bitmouse> with mplayer? how do you enable that?
[21:53] <Lzr> So after trying to install Xubuntu nearly 15 times, I disabled ACPI and it's installing now. Can anyone tell me why that worked ?
[21:53] <ablomen> bitmouse, yep, mplayer -vo caca
[21:57] <bitmouse> anybody know why this isn't working for vlc?
[21:57] <bitmouse> vlc [dvd://][/dev/scd0][@raw_device]
[21:57] <bitmouse> did anybody respond to that vlc question, got offlined
[21:58] <bitmouse> ablomen: awesome, by the way why don't you use arch or gentoo ?
[21:59] <ablomen> becouse i work... :)
[21:59] <ablomen> dont have time to compile everything etc
[21:59] <ablomen> and arch just doenst do it for me
[22:00] <ablomen> apt > pacman imho
[22:02] <bitmouse> yeah I agree about apt, but I have noticed that arch is significantly faster, if you are a total tweaker
[22:02] <ablomen> well but that isnt arch
[22:02] <ablomen> thats just the way you install stuff
[22:02] <ablomen> if you take debian and config (and compile) everything by hand you get the same result
[22:05] <ablomen> best thing about arch as i see it is that it has rolling releases, but thats also a bad thing
[22:05] <ablomen> depends on what you want for your system, its good theyr all out there :)
[22:09] <bitmouse> yeah, didn't know you could do that with debian, and compile it for i686 architecture's, is that hard?
[22:09] <ablomen> heh well you can compile each part if you want
[22:09] <ablomen> it isnt like ports
[22:10] <ablomen> *and portage
[22:10] <ablomen> but sure, you can compile everything
[22:10] <ablomen> and they have pre-compiled kernels for i686 etc afaik
[22:12] <bitmouse> hmm, I have no idea, I saw on the website that the i386 was the kernel version that you could download as far as an Install CD, I wonder if there are any good howto's cause debian that is all compiled for your processor (if i am understanding that you could do that) would be awesome
[22:13] <TheSheep> !kernel
[22:13] <ablomen> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=888 << first thing i found
[22:13] <ablomen> and i saw theres a i686 optimized gcc
[22:13] <ablomen> in the repos
[22:16] <ablomen> You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do << hehe
[22:17] <ablomen> bitmouse, anyway, at the end its the same conversations as is 64bit version faster on a 64bit proc, is gentoo faster then ubuntu etc
[22:18] <ablomen> in some cases one may be faster then the other, but i never noticed a real difference
[22:18] <bitmouse> hmm, strangeness, would you say that lightweightness is what makes the difference?
[22:18] <ablomen> (for example, take gentoo with a custom kernel and a genkernel, same speed for me)
[22:19] <bitmouse> hmm
[22:19] <ablomen> for the desktop, yes, the coise of applications, the loaded libs etc
[22:19] <bitmouse> yeah, I noticed that for arch most of the libs are for i686
[22:20] <bitmouse> but, I was also running with 38 mb's in ram with desktop loaded
[22:20] <bitmouse> so that might have been, or I would bet from this convo, was the difference
[22:20] <ablomen> nah i dont mean the arch they have been compiled for, i mean the amount of loaded libs
[22:21] <bitmouse> right,
[22:21] <bitmouse> that's what I meant though, my ram was showing a load of only 39 mb's
[22:21] <ablomen> oh ok
[22:21] <bitmouse> so no wonder it was faster, from what you are saying
[22:22] <bitmouse> or more responsive I should say
[22:23] <bitmouse> I suppose I just want to have mastered a relatively easy system that I know will be close to as close to optimized as you can get for my system with current technology, with a light desktop, and perhaps loaded on different partitions on my system, each load optimized for a different purpose
[22:24] <ablomen> well then use different pupplets (puppy linux variants) ;)
[22:25] <ablomen> might be the easyest way to have different setups for different purpouses
[22:26] <ablomen> and its very, very fast
[22:27] <bitmouse> hmm, my three setup's might be 'movie playing' , 'linux gaming' , 'rpg creator 2000"
[22:28] <bitmouse> that be it
[22:28] <bitmouse> think puppy could accomodate that? will it allow compositing as well, for future use?
[22:29] <ablomen> i have no idea, look at the site :)
[22:29] <bitmouse> cool beans, thanks man
[22:30] <ablomen> :)
[22:31] <bitmouse> why do you use ubuntu?
[22:32] <ablomen> becouse it works :) used fedora mandrake and redhat back in the day, but only after ubuntu i really felt like using linux for everything except gaming :)
[22:33] <ablomen> part of it being apt, but also that you put in the install disk and have a working system within 45 minutes
[22:34] <ablomen> and good packages (xcept the huge xorg bug about a year ago)
[22:35] <ablomen> oh and the ssh key thing now i guess ;(
[22:35] <ablomen> *;)
[22:36] <ablomen> *openssl
[22:38] <bitmouse> what is openssl and ssh?
[22:38] <ablomen> see the topic :)
[23:20] <x9x> hi! can the xubuntu cd-image be transfered to an usb-memory instead, to boot from instead of burning it on a cd?
[23:27] <Riotta> x9x: yes
[23:27] <eimajenthat> How?
[23:28] <Riotta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[23:29] <Riotta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[23:29] <x9x> aha
[23:29] <Riotta> also this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB
[23:29] <Riotta> :)
[23:30] <Riotta> second link is actually what you need to know
[23:30] <Riotta> rest are if you want to learn something more
[23:37] <x9x> thanks :-)
[23:38] <NullNam1> HELP! I mesed up and chmod'd my $HOME dir to 777.  What do I do to fix this?????
[23:40] <TheSheep> chmod it back to 766
[23:40] <NullNam1> 766?
[23:40] <NullNam1> why not 755?
[23:41] <TheSheep> sorry, 755
[23:41] <TheSheep> yeah
[23:41] <NullNam1> Thanks