[03:52] <ScottK> Riddell: pykde5 packages: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+sourcepub/4346355/+listing-archive-extra
[03:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Also, two review requests that someone (maybe you) might commit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119704/ and https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119705/
[08:41] <seaLne> upgrading to the 4.13.97 packages in trusty this morning resulted in http://paste.kde.org/palqhclfs an apt-get -f install looks like its fixed it
[08:46] <seaLne> well after that the dist-upgrade then complained about kmail requiring another apt-get -f install before finally finishing
[08:46] <Riddell> um, wibble
[08:47] <Riddell> there's a file overwrite issue in kmail I need to fix
[08:47] <Riddell> but that's a bit bigger
[08:47] <Riddell> I tested with kubuntu-desktop installed
[08:47] <Riddell> guess I need to test with kde-full and other bits installed
[08:49] <seaLne> calligrastage-data was also left behind when that uninstalled calligra
[09:27] <santa> morning
[09:28] <santa> Riddell: hi, do you remember all that faulty wrap-and-sort's which removed some -dev packages?
[09:29] <santa> I found out by accident whats wrong -> using " \n" instead of plain "\n" to separate paragraphs
[09:29] <yofel> there's even a bug report for that
[09:30] <santa> that confuses python-debian and wrap-and-sort
[09:30] <yofel> against python-debian IIRC
[09:30] <santa> indeed
[09:30] <santa> we can workaround it tough
[09:33] <Riddell> santa: ah hah
[09:34] <santa> so I'm sending a couple of merge requests to make the wrap-and-sort safe while the bug doesn't get fixed
[09:35] <santa> also it will be very convenient for me in siduction, since I'm dealing with the packages with python-debian
[09:52] <soee> is there some info @ plasma 5.0.1 ?
[09:56] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.1_utopic.html
[09:56] <santa> Riddell: merge requests sent, if I'm not mistaken only 3 source packages from frameworks affected, none from plasma
[09:57] <santa> yofel: if you have the bug report of python debian at hand, it would be nice to have a link to post my findings
[09:58] <Riddell> thanks
[10:09] <yofel> santa: debian 655988
[10:10] <yofel> santa: also watch out for debian 743174
[10:20] <Riddell> markey: do you know if there's any plans to replace nepomuk in amarok with baloo?
[10:20] <markey> Riddell: yes I think that would make sense
[10:21] <Riddell> markey: at the moment I'm removing nepomuk from the package as it doesn't exist any more, is that going to break lots of things?
[10:21] <santa> yofel: ah, they already know its for the spaces, let's see if they fix it, then. thank you for the links :)
[10:22] <markey> Riddell: not going to break anything of importance. I think you could go ahead
[11:56] <Riddell><PHONE_NUMBER>
[11:56] <Riddell> meh
[11:58] <valorie> who's phone number?
[11:58] <valorie> oops
[11:58] <valorie> whose
[12:03] <Riddell> nobody's just this silly router half dropping connections
[12:03] <Riddell> and me typing away in frustration
[12:08] <valorie> sounds like what we are experiencing here
[12:08] <valorie> perhaps the whole internet is sick
[12:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[13:27] <apachelogger> sdfghjkl
[13:27] <apachelogger> who the bloody fing hell put a beta release in the fing backports ppa
[13:27] <Mamarok> heja, guys, shouldn't be the 4.13.97 release be in beta instead of backports?
[13:27]  * Mamarok putting things a bit more diplomatical than what Harald just did :)
[13:28] <Riddell> Mamarok: that might have been me
[13:29] <apachelogger> might fine job there
[13:29] <apachelogger> *mighty
[13:29] <Riddell> Mamarok: do you think you can keep harald from eating me?
[13:29] <Mamarok> he just had lunch, no wirries
[13:29] <Mamarok> worries*
[13:29] <Mamarok> and I still have some chocolate at hand for the worst case :)
[13:29] <soee_> broken http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.0.1_utopic.html
[13:30] <Riddell> soee_: should be fixed in a minute
[13:30] <soee_> :D
[13:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: yeah but there's another two days until 4.14 appears and the mistake will be overwritten and forgotten
[13:31] <Mamarok> not by mighty logger I fear...
[13:33] <Riddell> aww look the guy who does http://www.themukt.com/ likes us http://paste.kde.org/p8rcupv9c
[13:34] <valorie> very nice
[13:35] <Mamarok> yeah, nice one :)
[13:38] <Mamarok> /var/cache/apt/archives/khelpcenter4_4%3a4.13.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[13:38] <Mamarok> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/othercontrolmodules.desktop', which is also in package kde-runtime-data 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.1
[13:39] <Riddell> um, not seen that one
[13:40] <Riddell> Mamarok: you just doing a dist-upgrade with kubuntu-ppa/backports enabled?
[13:40] <Mamarok> not a dist upgrade, just a plain upgrade
[13:40] <Mamarok> error message made by muon package manager
[14:43] <Odur> Heh, I just wondered if I had enabled beta backports by mistake, then I checked here :)
[14:44] <Riddell> Odur: any issues with it besides being in the wrong place?
[14:45] <Odur> Riddell: Haven't tried it yet.
[14:46] <Riddell> Odur: have you installed it?
[14:46] <Odur> Riddell: Nope. I just saw the upgrade notice
[15:18] <Mamarok> works fine, the error was corrected with -f
[15:20] <Riddell> Mamarok: still I'll put in a replaces/breaks to stop future issues, thanks for notifying
[15:34] <Riddell> allee: did you do your digikam merge request?
[15:45] <soee_> woho almost all green :)
[15:53] <soee_> someone on plasma5 atm? want to ask about one thing
[15:55] <soee_> we have systray, with arrow icon to show more options (Status and notifications etc.), now thers some 'lag' with icons when opening this widget - we see widget opened and the icons shows up sometimes with a small delay
[15:55] <soee_> probably when opening first time this widgert after reboot, shouldnt they (icons) be cached somehow to prevent this 'lag' ?
[16:58] <Riddell> seaLne: calligra was getting removed because there's a library that changed version plus it depends on nepomuk which is dead, I'm backporting it but as usual it's taking ages
[16:58]  * Riddell out
[18:34] <soee_> Riddell: will you release 5.0.1 today for tests?
[19:50] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: nice work! http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/volume/
[19:51] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: is this supposed to be merged with kmix? or does it replace kmix?
[19:52] <soee_> btw kubuntu 14.10 will ship pulseaudio 5 ?
[19:55] <kdeuser56> soee_: good question ... does not yet look like it
[19:56] <soee_> what holds it back ?
[19:56] <kdeuser56> i don't know
[19:56] <soee_> :)
[19:56] <kdeuser56> soee_: but you could try https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/pulse-testing
[19:57] <soee_> oh interesting
[20:11] <shadeslayer> psht, who needs PA, we can just cat to /dev/snd
[20:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ you should make phonon read from /dev/snd
[20:11] <shadeslayer> and write to /dev/snd
[20:25] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: I hope you are joking :D
[20:56] <allee> Riddell: no merge request yet. Had no time  over the weekend.  Started again right now ...
[21:09] <Darkwing> Hey claydoh
[21:37] <allee> shadeslayer: what's the naming convention for a debian/patches/  diff that is takens from upstream git (i.e. can be dropped after next release)
[21:38] <allee> and described in a b.k.o report
[21:50] <shadeslayer> allee: upstream_foo_bar_unicorns.patch
[21:50] <allee> shadeslayer: thx
[22:23] <claydoh> hey Darkwing sorry for the late pong
[22:38] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: I wasn't
[22:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw thoughts on proposing policy around experimental libs?
[22:38] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer:serously?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> its' the one true way
[22:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go ahead?
[22:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: policy stuff? yeah, will do tomorrow morning
[22:43] <shadeslayer> written down
[22:44] <shadeslayer> ETOODRUNK
[22:45] <apachelogger> I am writing the shittiest code in a long time
[22:45] <apachelogger> well
[22:45] <apachelogger> I am copying the shittiest code around
[22:46] <shadeslayer> is that because you're not sufficiently drunk
[22:46] <shadeslayer> mmm breakpad has no package
[22:49] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[22:49] <shadeslayer> someone did a blog post
[22:49] <shadeslayer> on Breakpad and Qt
[22:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna refactor me code?
[22:51] <shadeslayer> no
[22:51] <shadeslayer> breakpadding
[22:52] <apachelogger> I now can move a bar in dragon through my code
[22:52] <apachelogger> it's sorcery I say
[22:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: breaking pad
[22:55] <shadeslayer> yes
[22:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are my glasses downstairs
[22:59] <shadeslayer> I can't see them hee
[22:59] <shadeslayer> *here
[22:59] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[22:59] <shadeslayer> tangled in wires
[23:05] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: is your audio plasma applet now supposed to replace kmix?
[23:06] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: volume, sorry
[23:10] <apachelogger> who knows
[23:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't see them
[23:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: found them
[23:10] <shadeslayer> nvm
[23:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: scru u
[23:12] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: you should know if you feel like further extending your work ...
[23:12] <apachelogger> I should?
[23:12] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: you coded this ... right?
[23:13] <apachelogger> so?
[23:13] <shadeslayer> no u
[23:13] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: so you have a plan, no?
[23:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell alex that I'll look into other things on my todo tomorrow
[23:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tell him yourself, he's angry at me
[23:13] <shadeslayer> for catching something
[23:14] <apachelogger> no one likes a smartass :P
[23:14] <shadeslayer> or well, I think he's angry at me
[23:14] <shadeslayer> no shit
[23:14] <apachelogger> give him a hug, surely that will help
[23:14] <shadeslayer> why do you think I hate you
[23:14] <apachelogger> :O
[23:14] <apachelogger> why now I am angry at u 2
[23:15] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: it would be pretty cool to see this further developed and support more advanced actions like moving sinks
[23:15] <shadeslayer> good
[23:15] <shadeslayer> that way no one talks to me
[23:15] <shadeslayer> and I win
[23:15] <shadeslayer> \o/
[23:16]  * apachelogger doesn't think anyone ever anywhere should support moving sinks
[23:17]  * sithlord48 supports moving of sinks.
[23:17] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: sorry I meant redirecting audio ... like for example you can redirect shound from your browser to your microphone input
[23:17] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: that way one could easily share stuff with friends when chatting with them at the same time
[23:17]  * apachelogger supports moving computers up and down the stairs
[23:18] <sithlord48> this is why i am forced to use veromix  instead of kmix would love to see support for that in next kde mixer when using pulse or any sound system where you can do it.
[23:18] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: this is really easy to achive with pulseaudio
[23:20] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: thing is how to expose pulseaudio in a sensible way in a system tray applet
[23:20] <apachelogger> write a thread on forum.kde.org
[23:20] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: would you read it?
[23:21] <apachelogger> sure
[23:21] <kdeuser56> I find the following question very interesting for example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/421014/share-an-audio-playback-stream-through-a-live-audio-video-conversation-like-sk
[23:22] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: ok, I will do so after sleeping a few hours, will ping you about it ... any objections if I use the visual design groups forum?
[23:22] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[23:22] <apachelogger> might as well I guess
[23:23] <apachelogger> at the end of the day VD decides what goes where or not anyway
[23:23] <kdeuser56> yeah thing is to be powerful and useable at the same time ...
[23:24]  * kdeuser56 is going to sleep now, will ping apachelogger in a few hours


[00:03] <sri_barence> nikolam: sorry, i tried the suspend debugging process recommended at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[00:04] <sri_barence> It disabled my wireless card!
[00:19] <nikolam> sri_barence, why would you do that. I just told you to install fglrx driver from ati site to enable suspend/resume working..
[00:19] <nikolam> what ati card/chip do you use?
[00:20] <sri_barence> ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
[00:22] <nikolam> That is the same as Xpress 1150
[00:22] <nikolam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpress_200#Radeon_Xpress_200M
[00:23] <sri_barence> It looks like I have the Catalyst 8.54 driver.
[00:23] <nikolam> There is Xpress 200 on http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
[00:24] <nikolam> 8.54 is ok. But you could upgrade to eather 8.9 or 8.12 and suspend/resume will work
[00:24] <nikolam> I use x1250 myself
[00:25] <sri_barence> "Later renamed as Radeon Xpress 1150 for AMD notebooks"
[00:27] <nikolam> just download 8.12 and see istructions depending on your ubuntu version
[00:27] <nikolam> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[00:28] <nikolam> sh ati-driver-installer-8-12-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/intrepid   (Or hardy)
[00:29] <nikolam> amd then install deb`s you have it here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[00:29] <nikolam> You might go to #ati channel for support for fglrx driver.
[00:34] <sri_barence> If I understand correctly, the installer will make a deb with that command?
[00:34] <sri_barence> And then I can install with 'dpkg -i'?
[00:37] <nikolam> sri_barence, Yes, that is the point. So you can use other version if you want if that does not work for you
[00:38] <nikolam> I suggest you intall 8.9 version, I used it nicely. Avoid 8.10 and 8.11 .   8.12 works, too
[00:39] <sri_barence> no caps on 'intrepid'?
[00:39] <nikolam> no
[00:39] <nikolam> it is command line switch
[00:39] <sri_barence> ok. I'm going for 8.12
[00:39] <nikolam> good luck. And for fglrx, go to #ati channel
[00:40] <sri_barence> so "Ubuntu/intrepid"
[00:40] <sri_barence> should I uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx first
[00:42] <nikolam> Ok, go to #ati for further Proprietary driver support.
[00:46] <sri_barence> OK. I'm running the experiment now...
[03:09] <sri_barence> nikolam: still here?
[05:26] <tangentcollision> how do I check what driver I have for my wlan card?
[05:27] <tangentcollision> because if I have ath5k, I'd like to install madwifi-ng
[05:27] <ball> tangentcollision: dmesg?
[05:28] <tangentcollision> oh, nevermind
[05:29] <tangentcollision> airmon-ng told me :P
[05:36] <ball> ok
[05:36] <tangentcollision> alright, that settles my problem
[05:37] <tangentcollision> now I have another
[05:38] <tangentcollision> how do I unmount the main partition so I can split it?
[05:39] <ball> the / partition?
[05:39] <ball> I imagine you'd have to boot single-user to do that, if it's possible.
[05:42] <ball> ...or boot from a liveCD, then / from your hard disk isn't automatically mounted (I hope!)
[05:49] <tangentcollision> :P
[05:50] <tangentcollision> great
[05:50] <tangentcollision> I'm on eeexubuntu...
[05:50] <tangentcollision> and I don't know, it won't mount correctly any of my thumb drive media :P
[05:50] <ball> I would love an Eeebox, but I can't afford one.
[05:52] <ball> ...and I think the CPU lacks one or two features that I would like.
[05:52] <ball> Give it time, someone will build the machine I want.
[05:53] <tangentcollision> lol
[05:53] <tangentcollision> an eeepc is a great thing
[05:53] <ball> ...might even be me.
[05:53] <tangentcollision> I have a platapus bag
[05:53] <tangentcollision> and it fits perfectly under my hoodie
[05:53] <ball> EeePC would be nice, but I was looking mostly at desktops
[05:54] <tangentcollision> well, eeexubuntu is for...eeepc...
[05:54] <ball> oh
[05:54] <ball> Did they fix the dialogue boxes to fit the screen then?
[05:55] <tangentcollision> not really
[05:55] <tangentcollision> it's a tiny screen with a stupid res
[05:55] <tangentcollision> but I don't really car
[05:55] <tangentcollision> e
[05:55] <tangentcollision> it lets me audit my company's security occasionally
[05:55] <tangentcollision> whether they want me to or not
[05:56] <ball> I bypassed ours on the first day I was there.
[05:56] <tangentcollision> lol
[05:56] <tangentcollision> pretty much ditto
[05:56] <ball> had too really, how can I be a Web developer with no access to the Web?!
[05:57] <tangentcollision> well, I sit in the server room and make sure there's an ambiguous amount of security
[05:57] <tangentcollision> so I shut down people's iphones :P
[05:57] <ball> Do you wear a fleece all day?
[05:57] <tangentcollision> I wear my hoodie all day
[05:57] <tangentcollision> did ...
[05:58] <tangentcollision> I got laid off
[05:58] <tangentcollision> I wish I could take the off part out
[05:58] <ball> I got laid off too.
[05:58] <ball> Work three days a week at my internship site, but I hate it.
[05:58] <tangentcollision> ever heard of applied software?
[05:59] <tangentcollision> they do autocad
[05:59] <tangentcollision> they picked me up out of highschool and put me on the security team
[05:59] <tangentcollision> and I fixed their crap
[05:59] <tangentcollision> and maintained it
[05:59] <tangentcollision> then laid me off
[05:59] <tangentcollision> and I took my security with me
[05:59] <tangentcollision> I might as well not have been there :P
[06:01] <tangentcollision> I'll see if backtrack3 will partition for me
[06:35] <tangentcollision> hmm
[06:35] <tangentcollision> something is just f'ing wrong with this install of xubuntu
[06:35] <tangentcollision> I can't edit my partitions
[06:53] <ball> that's normal
[06:53] <ball> afaik
[06:54] <ball> tangentcollision: why are you trying to split /
[06:54] <ball> ?
[06:54] <tangentcollision> I'm trying to get an extra 1gb partition in there so I can boot backtrack3 from it
[06:55] <ball> what is backtrack3?
[06:55] <tangentcollision> backtrack 3 is a security auditing tool
[06:56] <ball> ...and it needs its own partition?
[06:56] <ball> Wierd.
[06:57] <tangentcollision> well
[06:57] <tangentcollision> I can't get grub to use it :P
[06:57] <tangentcollision> it only comes in live kernel
[06:57] <tangentcollision> and it uses a lilo loader
[06:58] <ball> Ah, so you want to put lilo in backtrack partition's boot record and then have grub chain lilo?
[06:58] <tangentcollision> yeah
[06:59] <tangentcollision> the live kernel uses the lilo loader, I can't really seperate it
[06:59] <tangentcollision> so, I'm thinking I can just point it to the partition and do chainloader +1
[06:59] <tangentcollision> and let it rip
[06:59] <tangentcollision> hup
[06:59] <tangentcollision> I think it's doing it
[07:00] <tangentcollision> go gparted, goooo
[07:00] <tangentcollision> I know you can do it!
[07:00] <tangentcollision> if nothing else, I can just reinstall eeexubuntu and tell it not to use everything on that drive
[07:01] <ball> If it's any consolation, my garbage is blowing down the street.
[07:01] <tangentcollision> (it uses an sdhc card, 16gb)
[07:02] <tangentcollision> hey, it shrunk my crap!
[07:02] <tangentcollision> yay
[07:06] <tangentcollision> now I can NOT run off the livecd installation thingy from usb1.0 stick
[07:06] <tangentcollision> that just makes me aaaangryyyy
[07:06] <tangentcollision> >.>
[07:06] <tangentcollision> <.<
[07:06] <tangentcollision> hulk...smash...*sulks away*
[07:07]  * ball nods
[07:07]  * tangentcollision nods*
[07:07] <ball> I have a net PC box that's supposed to boot from USB, but doesn't
[08:08] <EarlJr> I've got a slight issue with networking on my xubuntu install
[08:09] <EarlJr> every time I reboot, it defaults to a dhcp
[08:09] <EarlJr> how can I make my static ip settings stick?
[08:20] <ablomen> EarlJr, /etc/network/interfaces
[08:20] <ablomen> and /etc/resolv.conf
[08:29] <EarlJr> hmm
[08:29] <EarlJr> I think that my get it
[08:30] <EarlJr> thank you ablomen
[08:55] <admalledd> hello, i am trying to route a port thorough my (new) server to my other computer and was wondering how? google wasnt of much help. all of this must be done through ssh (i have x forwarding). the setup is as follows: internet-->router(cant change fowarded ports here)-->server(<IP_ADDRESS>)-->data box(<IP_ADDRESS>#21)
[08:55] <admalledd> **-->data box(<IP_ADDRESS>:21)
[09:01] <ablomen> why cant you change ports on the router if i might ask?
[09:02] <ablomen> (and btw, port 21 is used by ftp, should be 22 or a different, not commonly used port)
[09:03] <admalledd> because of the number of people, each person can only have 5 ports, and to one comp. (admin doesnt want more than 15 ports open)
[09:03] <ablomen> ah ok, well you might want too look at iptables
[09:03] <admalledd> well, 21 80 and 1980 ,1981 ,1982 are my ports
[09:03] <ablomen> i think you can achieve what you want with that
[09:04] <admalledd> ok, but i thought modifying iptables while in ssh would break connection?
[09:04] <ablomen> ehm yeah it might
[09:05] <admalledd> do i just not worry and reconnect?
[09:05] <admalledd> because pulling server out of wall is a pain
[09:06] <ablomen> i must say i dont have too much experience with iptables, so i really wouldnt know
[09:06] <admalledd> meh, google will now be my friend. :)
[09:06] <admalledd> ill be back if i cant figure it out by tommorow
[09:06] <admalledd> thx all!
[09:06] <ablomen> but i dont see another good way too do it, exept maybe just ssh-ing into the server and then into the box itself
[09:07] <ablomen> ah
[09:07] <ablomen> ok
[10:49] <jarnos> Is it hard job to install latest Xfce to Intrepid? Do you have to remove Xubuntu's Xfce first?
[10:49] <knome> jarnos, there's a ppa with beta1, but beta2 is the newest.
[10:50] <jarnos> knome: where? I would like to debug xfce4-mixer.
[10:50] <knome> jarnos, sec
[10:52] <knome> jarnos, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive
[10:53] <jarnos> knome: thanks
[14:03] <Krillin> hey yo guys. here is a weiiird problem... I'm using pyNeighborhood to mount shared partitions through my computers. Ok, that's great, I have used it before and it was ok, but now I just cant send any file, it crashes my Thunar after 1 minute of transfer, can anyone give me a light? Thank you!
[17:03] <crazygir> I really don't understand this.. but I am *still* having issues trying to install xubuntu
[17:04] <crazygir> I've tried different cds, cd media (cdr/cdrw), burners, readers, systems (to install on), isos, mirrors, etc
[17:04] <crazygir> all have had errors, different errors, but all of them have errors..
[17:05] <crazygir> any suggestions? I've gone this far because I'd rather use xubuntu than any of the kde/gnome variants
[17:13] <romanov_> crazygir -> I had the same problem try to burn you cd with low speed
[17:16] <crazygir> 4x is pretty low :P
[17:17] <crazygir> romanov_: ^
[17:17] <romanov_> :)
[17:19] <crazygir> I have heard that errors are common, I've also talked to people that "have had no problems"
[17:19] <crazygir> so I really don't know what to think
[17:20] <romanov_> I gess your downloaded version is not ok ? check it in the startind of the livecd ... try again
[17:20] <crazygir> I have yet to have *any* problems with these burners, media, or systems, wrt downloading isos and trying installs
[17:20] <crazygir> romanov_: I've tried a number of different isos (including desktop/alternate) from various mirrors
[17:20] <crazygir> *all* have had some problem
[17:20] <romanov_> humm
[17:20] <crazygir> not the same problems, but all have had some issue that prevents me from installing
[17:21] <crazygir> the farthest that I got was starting to install packages
[17:21] <crazygir> but then ran into corrupt .debs
[17:22] <sinbox> weird
[17:22] <crazygir> yea
[17:22] <crazygir> it makes me want to scream :P
[17:23] <romanov_> strange ... maybe your harddisk is not ok ?
[17:23] <crazygir> romanov_: ?
[17:24] <crazygir> I've tried 3 different systems anyway
[17:24] <crazygir> 2 different ones to create the install cd, 2 different ones to install
[17:25] <romanov_> you mean that ubuntu / kubuntu install correctly
[17:26] <crazygir> no, I haven't tried (though I'm downloading a ubuntu iso right now)
[17:26] <crazygir> I don't really want k/ubuntu
[17:26] <crazygir> hence trying xubuntu :)
[17:26] <romanov_> yeah me too
[17:27] <crazygir> I'm trying *another* cdrw, brand new
[17:27] <crazygir> I had just tried a brand new cdr
[17:27] <romanov_> if you are in tunisia i will provide you a xubuntu cd :)
[17:27] <sam__> chaps, my resolution isn't listed in nvidia-settings - lcd doesn't seem to get detected properly - how can I add the correct rez?
[17:28] <crazygir> which gave me an I/O error: error reading boot cd
[17:28] <crazygir> nah, us
[17:28] <sam__> it's like it ignores xorg.conf
[17:28]  * sam__ continues googling
[17:28] <crazygir> sam__: do you have it set, explicitly in xorg.conf?
[17:29] <sam__> the conf is generic
[17:29] <crazygir> so try setting it explicitly
[17:29] <sam__> but the optimum rez in nvidia console isn't listed
[17:29] <crazygir> so what
[17:29] <crazygir> define *your* optimum resolution for xorg
[17:29] <crazygir> screw the nvidia console
[17:30] <sam__> that's what I thought, but it seems the nvidia settings take precedence
[17:30] <crazygir> it doesn't appear to know what you need
[17:30] <sam__> I need 1280x768
[17:30] <crazygir> so don't use the nvidia settings
[17:30] <crazygir> disable them.
[17:30] <sam__> the xfce rez settings seem useless
[17:30] <sam__> offering only 800x600
[17:30] <crazygir> sam__: SET it EXPLICITLY, yourself, in xorg.conf
[17:30]  * sam__ disables nvidia driver
[17:31] <sam__> is there a sample xorg.conf anywhere?
[17:31] <crazygir> on your system?
[17:31] <crazygir> on the interwebz :)
[17:31] <sam__> the web isn't helping, it all seems to amazingly complicated
[17:31] <sam__> not sure of the syntax
[17:31] <crazygir> sam__: man
[17:31] <crazygir> sam__: you have an xorg.conf to use
[17:31] <crazygir> just trim down the resolution settings
[17:31] <sam__> yes, it's got little in it
[17:31] <sam__> doesn't even list resolutions
[17:31] <crazygir> educate yourself.
[17:32] <crazygir> man, google.
[17:32] <sam__> have been, time consuming
[17:32] <sam__> not feeling I'm getting anywhere
[17:32] <crazygir> it's time well-spent
[17:32] <sam__> feel like I have to reinvent the wheel
[17:32] <crazygir> you are if you are learning :)
[17:32] <crazygir> nope
[17:32] <crazygir> the wheel has already been invented
[17:33] <sam__> I'll bleed over it for a little longer then
[17:33] <crazygir> :)
[17:33] <crazygir> look at *real* xorg confs
[17:33] <crazygir> not what ubuntu has
[17:33] <crazygir> look at the man page
[17:33] <sam__> right
[17:33] <crazygir> and see if others have similar problem
[17:33] <crazygir> *s
[17:33] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/ and type in xorg.conf in the upper right search box
[17:35] <sinbox> if you're gonna play wiotrh xorg.conf back it up first though sam__ :) also this may help (or not): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[17:35] <sam__> yes, I'm backing it up each time
[17:35] <crazygir> you should *always* make a copy of a conf when making changes
[17:35] <sam__> I think the problem is that my lcd isn't detected
[17:35] <crazygir> using a rc setup is even better
[17:36] <crazygir> sam__: that's ok
[17:36] <crazygir> if you know the correct res and syncs, you can set it yourself
[17:36] <crazygir> sam__: #xorg (or whatever it is) might help too
[17:36] <sam__> great, thanks
[17:37] <crazygir> hmm... getting a little further in the install than before.. actually have the gui this time
[17:37] <sinbox> where woudl you go look for the res and syncs for a particualr monitor model?
[17:37] <crazygir> maybe those isos don't like disk at once..
[17:37] <crazygir> sinbox: your lcd manual
[17:37] <crazygir> lcds have a "happy" res/sync
[17:38] <sinbox> well, I would if I had a manual for it crazygir :0, which I guess leaves me the manufacturer's website and hoping they have a decnet support past to their site then
[17:38] <crazygir> yes
[17:38] <crazygir> or google
[17:38] <crazygir> :)
[17:39] <crazygir> w00t I have a gui installer
[17:40] <crazygir> I really don't get this..
[17:43] <crazygir> maybe there should be iso burning instructions on the official website?
[17:43] <crazygir> given that dao doesn't produce a working iso
[17:43] <crazygir> err.. working cd
[17:44] <crazygir> or maybe the iso creation process should play nice with dao
[17:45] <charlie-tca> You mean like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto , crazygir ?
[17:45] <crazygir> on the xubuntu site
[17:45] <crazygir> like, right next to where you get info on downloading the iso
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Good point! I can bring that up to the website guys.
[17:46] <crazygir> and still, there is nothing in there about dao or sao
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Maybe they don´t work?
[17:47] <crazygir> I had to use sao (not dao) to get this to work
[17:47] <crazygir> if that is in fact true, that should be documented
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I would think following what is documented would work.
[17:49] <crazygir> charlie-tca: that is what I'm saying, there is no mention of sao or dao
[17:49] <charlie-tca> But there is makeiso
[17:50] <charlie-tca> mkisofs , rather
[17:50] <crazygir> I'm not going to argue. this should be verified and documented
[17:50] <charlie-tca> if you are using the command line
[17:50] <crazygir> I did this in windows
[17:50] <crazygir> using an application comparable to infraread
[17:50] <crazygir> errr.. infrarecorder
[17:52] <crazygir> there really is no difference
[18:03] <dj_bushido> can anyone help me with a grub problem???
[18:04] <crazygir> normal IRC protocol is to ask. if someone can help, they will
[18:04] <crazygir> there is absolutely no sense in "asking to ask"
[18:05] <dj_bushido> ok. can i get help with a grub problem? i am trying to add a xubuntu entry to my fedora menu.lst, and can't get it to work. the error message is: error 11 - unrecognized device string
[18:05] <crazygir> have you checked out #grub?
[18:06] <dj_bushido> didn't know it existed...
[18:06] <crazygir> #anything exists in irc
[18:06] <crazygir> :P
[18:06] <dj_bushido> somehow i'm sure...
[18:36] <mojo> hello everyone
[18:36] <mojo> can I ask question about Xubuntu here?
[18:37] <Odd-rationale> of course!
[18:41] <forces> saluton
[18:42] <forces> feliz año
[18:42] <mojo> okay
[18:43] <mojo> I just lost my sound playback after yesterday update, can someone suggest me a way to find out if the kernel has loaded the sound driver? I am using IBM X41, the sound is AC97 onboard
[18:43] <forces> happy new year
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> mojo: try looking at "lspci -vvvvv" from a terminal...
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> look for the audio device...
[18:46] <mojo> I found it
[18:46] <mojo> it said loaded snd-intel8x0m
[18:47] <mojo> Odd-rationale: I could change the volume, all apps do not complain about missing sound device, the laptop just does not have sound, I have confirmed this is not hw fault as I tried it with headphone already
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> mojo: tried running alsamixer and making sure the master and pcm mixer are not muted and up?
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> !sound
[18:49] <mojo> Odd-rationale: ola, it is not muted
[18:49] <Odd-rationale> mojo: hmmm... dunno... try looking through the wiki page...
[18:49] <mojo> Odd-rationale: could it be kernel-related problem only?
[18:52] <Odd-rationale> i'm not too sure...
[19:27] <mattyb243> anyone in here using xubuntu on the PS3? if not happen to know any channels relating to it?
[19:31] <sinbox> you can try #ubuntu-ps3 maybe
[19:32] <mattyb243> perfect thanks.
[19:32] <mattyb243> although realisticly it doesnt really matter what platform im running it on
[19:46] <gNewPower> hi, I just lost all sound on my computer. can anyone please help?
[19:52] <gNewPower> anyone here?
[19:53] <gNewPower_> anyone here?
[20:01] <gNewPower> can anyone please help me fix a sound problem?
[20:01] <slimjimflim> hi, i just mounted an ntfs partition w/ `mount /dev/sda1  /media/xp` from ubuntu hardy, but when i navigate to that  mount point i get an incomplete filesystem, any tips?
[20:01] <slimjimflim> *xubuntu hardy
[20:01] <slimjimflim> doing so from livecd
[20:04] <FactTech> Has anyone out there tried to install the ATI Catalyst driver under Xubuntu and succeeded?
[20:50] <LeeAsdf> Can I get my laptop to share it's internet connection wirelessly?
[22:32] <craigbass1976> What's the app I need to run a web cam and capture images with it?  I can't remember
[22:37] <craigbass1976> Forget it.  Camorama was the one
[22:39] <craigbass1976> Ahh, balls.  It doesn'tsee my camera
[22:39] <craigbass1976> used to, even back in dapper
[22:41] <craigbass1976> Got it....


[11:06] <danilos> gmb, hey, I've got one question: I am looking at the mockups from user testing, and I don't see the case where you *are* marked as the bug supervisor — should that be treated as if you have a structural subscription then?
[11:24] <bac> hi gmb
[11:24] <bac> the fix you made worked great.
[11:25] <gmb> bac: Cool, glad to hear it.
[11:25] <bac> there is one oddity i haven't yet investigated. when the overlay is closed, the accordion and some checkboxes remain behind
[11:25] <gmb> Hmm.
[11:26] <gmb> That's a bit weird. I didn't see that one but my testing was probably a bit perfunctory.
[11:26] <gmb> bac: I'm just going to grab a cup of tea, but I'll take another look in a few minutes.
[11:27] <bac> yeah i only saw it yesterday but not sure if it had been there all along. happens in webkit and FF
[11:27] <bac> ok thanks
[11:27] <bac> it'll be a little bit before im really here
[11:56] <danilos> gmb, do we already have some standard code that returns all the subscriptions for a (person, bug) pair? :) if not, do you know what code should I reuse to get at least some bits of it?
[11:57] <gmb> danilos: I guess you're after structural subscriptions there, aren't you?
[11:58] <danilos> gmb, nope, quite the contrary
[11:58] <danilos> gmb, I need things like "direct subscription", "through duplicate", "you are bug supervisor", "through team membership",...
[11:59] <gmb> danilos: Ah. Take a look at lp.bugs.interfaces.bug. There's a bunch of methods there that will be useful, but nothing that does everything you need all in one method.
[12:00] <gmb> danilos: Thinks like isSubscribed(user), isSubscribedToDupes(user), getSubscribersForPerson(user).... etc.
[12:00] <danilos> gmb, right, I just want to re-use as much as possible, thanks
[12:10] <danilos> gmb, btw, if you've got a minute to glance over https://pastebin.canonical.com/44215/, I wonder if I am covering all the bases :)
[12:15] <danilos> I thought of more supervisor actions ("leave the team" and "I don't want to be supervisor" if you are not product owner)
[12:41]  * danilos -> food
[13:06] <gary_poster> hey benji, looks like Huw came through for the CSS.  Any word on the triangle dealie?
[13:07] <benji> nope, none yet; once I try out his CSS I'll reply with a "thanks that worked great... how about the other thing"-type message
[13:08] <gary_poster> heh, ok benji, sounds good :-)
[13:25] <danilos> benji, hi, are you working on implementing the structural subscriptions part of mock-ups on https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/Testing/EditingRound2?
[13:25] <gmb> bac: I haven't been able to reproduce the problem you mentioned. Can you send me a screenshot
[13:25] <gmb> ?
[13:26] <bac> gmb, sure
[13:27] <gmb> danilos: I think you've covered everything with that list.
[13:27] <benji> danilos: I'm doing the list of user/team subscriptions for a bug (but I don't think it's mocked up on the slides you reference, it's at https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/Testing/SubsListRound1/Slide1 instead)
[13:28] <danilos> gmb, cool, thanks
[13:28] <danilos> benji, right, thanks
[13:29] <bac> gmb: good : http://people.canonical.com/~bac/overlay-opened.png
[13:29] <bac> gmb: bad http://people.canonical.com/~bac/overlay-closed-messy.png
[13:29] <gmb> OIC. Hang on...
[13:29] <bac> to go from good to bad i hit the 'cancel' button
[13:30] <gary_poster> oopsie
[13:30] <gary_poster> mumble nowish, bac benji danilos gmb
[13:39] <danilos> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/DirectSubscriptionsOnBug
[14:10] <gmb> bac: So, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574977/ sort of solves the problem... I think it has to do with the way we deal with expanding nodes, but I'm not sure *why*
[14:10] <gmb> (That's not a solution, really, but it does make the controls vanish)
[14:10] <bac> interesting.  and it'd need to be done for submit too, i guess
[14:11] <gary_poster> The "kill them all" apprach to DOM manipulation :-)
[14:12] <gmb> bac: Yeah (it'd be nice if FormOverlay had a 'hide' event that we could tie onto, but anyway...)
[14:12] <gary_poster> well, perhaps the "SHUT UP ALREADY!" approach to DOM manipulation...
[14:22] <danilos> gary_poster, gmb, anyone else who cares: I'll start using the IBug:+subscribe page for the work I am doing (description and direct subscription actions); if you feel I should leave that alone and provide a different page (eg. because we want to continue have +subscribe gracefully degrade), just let me know :)
[14:23] <gary_poster> danilos, we have a page for this already that gmb started and that benji is working on...
[14:23] <danilos> gary_poster, do we?
[14:23] <gary_poster> yeah
[14:23] <gary_poster> it has nothing on it ATM :-P
[14:23] <gmb> danilos: NOOOOOooooo. That page is used to render the overlay for direct subscriptions. Use Bug:+subscriptions
[14:23] <gmb> (Which is what gary_poster is talking about)
[14:23] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:23] <danilos> gmb, gary_poster: but I can't find it :)
[14:24] <danilos> gmb, gary_poster: ok, that's the kind of info I was looking for
[14:24] <gary_poster> cool
[14:25] <danilos> gary_poster, that actually confuses me a bit; benji told me he's working on https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/Testing/SubsListRound1/Slide1, so just to clarify, https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/Testing/EditingRound2 is part of that as well?
[14:25]  * gary_poster looks
[14:26] <gary_poster> benji, you are working on the bottom part of https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/Testing/EditingRound2/Slide2 I thought?
[14:26] <gary_poster> ("Other subscriptions that may send you email about this bug")
[14:26] <benji> danilos: I don't see anything on those slides that (as far as I'm aware) I'm working on (i.e., I'm not doing the "If you don't want to receive..." part)
[14:27] <gary_poster> yeah you are :-)
[14:28] <gary_poster> the one you are looking at is a part of the full one; you are only implementing the non-direct subscriptions, though
[14:28] <gary_poster> which is pretty much the same
[14:28] <gary_poster> across the two mockups
[14:28] <gary_poster> danilos is working on the explanation and direct subscription part
[14:29] <gary_poster> does that ring a bell, benji, or at least are you satisfied that this jibes with what you were already doing?
[14:30] <benji> gary_poster: exactly, I'm doing the non-direct bits
[14:30] <gary_poster> Great.  Danilos, you cool too?
[14:30] <danilos> gary_poster, yep :)
[14:30] <gary_poster> yay :-)
[14:30] <gary_poster> gmb, halloo.  call now, or ping me when you are ready?
[14:30] <danilos> thanks all
[14:31] <gmb> Oh, bother, forgot about that.
[14:31]  * gmb gets his mumble on.
[14:31] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:47] <gmb> bac: D'you have a second to mumble?
[14:47] <bac> sure
[14:53] <benji> gary_poster: an RM pre-nag about QAing Bug 164196
[14:53] <_mup_> Bug #164196: Quickly-undone actions shouldn't send mail notifications <email> <lp-bugs> <qa-needstesting> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/164196 >
[14:54] <gary_poster> thanks benji.  Yeah, QA is blocked on the bug I'm working on :-/
[14:54] <gary_poster> (was blocked on staging being down for about a week brfore that)
[14:57] <gmb> bac: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/575007/
[15:30] <gary_poster> hey danilos.  ping when you are ready for call?
[15:44] <gary_poster> https://pastebin.canonical.com/44238/
[15:44] <danilos> gary_poster, https://pastebin.canonical.com/44239/ with syntax highlighting :)
[17:14] <gmb> gary_poster: I've just submitted AWS expenses; rather higher than I'd hoped as there was an EC2 instance that got stuck.
[17:14] <gary_poster> gmb :-/ ack, approving.
[17:15] <gmb> gary_poster: Thanks.
[17:16] <gary_poster> approved.  np
[17:16] <gmb> Ta
[17:51] <gmb> bac: I've added a rudimentary test suite (i.e. all the setup, doesn't do anything helpful yet) to the ~yellow branch. I'll check back later, so if you've any questions, ping me.
[17:51]  * gmb -> dinner
[17:52] <bac> ok
[18:50] <bac> gmb: another annoyance -- if you simply click away from the overlay somewhere else on the page, the overlay disappears, leaving the cruft in place.  is it supposed to make the overlay disappear?  seems wrong.
[18:51] <gmb> bac: Yes, it's supposed to hide the overlay. I wonder if the overlay does fire a 'hide' event that we can tie our cleanup to. It would seem odd not to.
[19:20] <gary_poster> bac, I still haven't had lunch and am feeling a bit lightheaded.  I should get some food.  I might be 10 min late for our call.  Is that alright?
[19:21] <bac> gary_poster: that's fine.  would you like to just say 3:00?
[19:21] <gary_poster> sure, thank you bac
[19:21] <bac> great.  i'm going to take a walk now, then.
[19:21] <gary_poster> cool
[19:21] <bac> see you in a bit
[19:21] <gary_poster> bye