[17:41] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:42] <jussi01> nah, its just slow
[17:42] <pag> Elite1, man sudoers  ;)
[17:43] <Elite1> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[17:44] <Elite1> so how do i mount my other drive huh? it still doesnt work if i 'sudo dolphin'!
[17:44] <gene_h> Ok, did a full update, and installed the nvidia-glx-legacy because its a GForce2-5200 card.  The reboot is still stuck on the kubuntu screen just before x starts
[17:44] <jussi01> Elite1: permanently?
[17:45] <gene_h> apparently
[17:45] <jussi01> !fstab | Elite1
[17:45] <ubotu> Elite1: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[17:45] <gene_h> Let me get back into it from here & see what I might be able to do by rermote control
[17:48] <gene_h> Correction, its a GForce FX-5200 (NV34) card, is this still the legacy driver?
[17:48] <jimmy51_home> can I use software downloaded in *rpm format?
[17:48] <unagi> does kde focus on hover by default
[17:48] <unagi> yes jimmy51_home
[17:49] <unagi> !info alien
[17:49] <XBehave> jimmy51_home: you need to use alien, but yes its better to look for a deb tho
[17:49] <jpatrick> !rpm | jimmy51_home
[17:49] <XBehave> unagi: by default yes
[17:49] <unagi> XBehave: how do i turn it off
[17:49] <ubotu> alien (source: alien): install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.68 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[17:49] <ubotu> jimmy51_home: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[17:49] <XBehave> erm actually im not sure i know konqueror selects by hover but im not sure what window focus does by default
[17:50] <LordOfThePigs> Hey! Where does the sun-java6-doc package install the javadocs. I can't find the install directory
[17:50] <unagi> XBehave: is there a way to change the alt + tab order in kde.........meaning not going to the next window but starting in the hierarchy
[17:50] <LordOfThePigs> Actually, I don't really know where documentation is stored in general...
[17:50] <jimmy51_home> XBehave, jpatrick:  i'd like to use the ubuntu pptp client, but it doesn't work (known bug, but not targeted for 7.10).  I found one for redhat to try
[17:51] <jussi01> jimmy51_home: I would suggest build from source rather than use an rpm
[17:51] <burne1> anyone use vmware in kubuntu?  i'm curious if it autostarts and does everything that I expect it to do in ubuntu
[17:52] <sub[t]rnl> LordOfThePigs➜ usr/share/doc/sun-java6-doc/
[17:52] <XBehave> to change konqueror behavior i think its under kde settings , to change focus i think you go through change window behavior, im not sure there are a few options for alt+tab under keboard shortcuts but im not sure
[17:52] <d_mitry> how to specify a shortcut to change the keyboard layout?
[17:52] <jussi01> !shortcuts | d_mitry
[17:52] <ubotu> d_mitry: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[17:52] <XBehave> sorry to disagree but usig rom will take about 5 minutes if you dont know how to compile try that before compiling if you do know then its better to compile
[17:52] <d_mitry> jussi01, thanks. i'll try that.
[17:52] <XBehave> *rpm
[17:52] <jussi01> :)
[17:53] <jimmy51_home> jussi01: i sure don't know how to do that :(  (jimmy = about a month and a half of linux experience)
[17:53] <XBehave> how can i get latex into kword or OO
[17:53] <LordOfThePigs> sub[t]rnl: I see, do all the install packages create a folder in /usr/share/doc using the exact package name?
[17:53] <jussi01> XBehave: it will take you more thatn the time to learn how to compile to fix your broken system if the alien rpm does bad stuff...
[17:53] <LordOfThePigs> i was actually looking in /usr/share/doc, but for something like "java"... so I didn't find it
[17:53] <sub[t]rnl> LordOfThePigs➜ the majority do
[17:54] <jussi01> !compile > jimmy51_home
[17:54] <LordOfThePigs> sub[t]rnl: Thanks, it's a good thing to know :)
[17:54] <XBehave> alien doesnt do bad stuff as you can always unselect unless something really freaky happens
[17:54] <jussi01> XBehave: also, compiling is a very good thing to learn.
[17:54] <XBehave> not for a standard user
[17:55] <XBehave> i dont have any compiled software running on my system and ive been using ubuntu for a couple of years, alien is much more usefull i once had to compile when alien failed but i rarely use that software anyway
[17:57] <jussi01> !rpm | XBehave
[17:57] <ubotu> XBehave: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[17:57] <XBehave> compiled packages are also not supported it can be more dangerous
[17:58] <XBehave> i can get stuff out of a maths program in mathML or latex how can i get into an OO document or kword?
[17:58] <gene_h> Ok, did a full update, and installed the nvidia-glx-legacy because its a GForce2-5200 card.  The reboot is still stuck on the kubuntu screen just before x starts
[17:58] <gene_h> Correction, its a GForce FX-5200 (NV34) card, is this still the legacy driver?
[18:02] <steven_> anyone tried the new ATI Catalyst 8.1 driver? I'm having stability issues when using it.
[18:02] <oto> hi all a y have frist install kubuntu its is vervi gut!
[18:02] <gene_h> To rrecap, screen stuck at 640x480, did update, installed nvidia-glx-legacy, xorg.conf looks ok, no x.  Whats next, nvidia's own drivers?  Build-essentials is installed.
[18:03] <jpatrick> gene_h: tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[18:04] <unagi> can anyone help me figure out why kubuntu wont let em unmount my external drive
[18:04] <gene_h> This is a 6.06 LTS install and must run emc, jpatrick yes
[18:04] <jpatrick> gene_h: that should allow you to reconfigure xorg for the right resolutions
[18:04] <R_Rios> unagi, what error comes?
[18:05] <jpatrick> unagi: sudo umount /dev/sdXX it?
[18:05] <gene_h> I'll try again. unagi, none, local screen has the blue kubuntu and blue bar, running at vga stds, fuggly.
[18:06] <unagi> R_Rios:  jpatrick http://pastebin.org/17770
[18:06] <bittin> Hi
[18:07] <bittin> whats the problem in this xorg.conf
[18:07] <bittin> http://yaroze.se/upload/xorg.conf
[18:08] <jpatrick> bittin: what does startx give?
[18:08] <bittin> (EE) Problem parsing the config file
[18:08] <bittin> error parsing the config file no screens found
[18:08] <R_Rios> unagi, try doing this following commands:
[18:08] <R_Rios> sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1
[18:09] <R_Rios> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[18:09] <jpatrick> bittin: prehaps line 88
[18:09] <bittin> XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X srver :0.0 afer 0 requests (0 known processed with 0 events remaining)
[18:09] <mefisto__> I have adobe flashplayer waiting to be updated. is this version working? should I go ahead with the update?
[18:09] <jpatrick> bittin: and if that doesn't work: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[18:10] <R_Rios> mefisto__, yes, it's working
[18:10] <BluesKaj> bittin, perhaps setting up a "custom monitor" in xorg.config such as using the drivers for your particular monitor rather than the generic default
[18:12] <R_Rios> unagi?
[18:19] <unagi> ok i dont get it
[18:19] <unagi> i make the dir External-1 and it mounts as External-2
[18:20] <unagi> i remove both External folders and it mounts as External............in any case it says the Dir doesnt exist when i unmount
[18:21] <flipstar> if you removed the folder what did you specified on umount..?
[18:21] <unagi> i didnt
[18:21] <unagi> im trying to unmount it grpahically
[18:24] <mefisto__> flashplugin-nonfree should be version 9,0,115,0 when installed, correct?
[18:25] <llutz> !flash
[18:25] <unagi> ??
[18:25] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash - The Flash package is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu FlashIssues »
[18:25] <amathebest> as
[18:26] <mefisto__> it's still broken? or the latest update is working?
[18:26] <genii> Still broken
[18:27] <genii> (when I tested it 6 hours ago anyhow)
[18:27] <unagi> my lord i have never had so many problems mounting/unmount a drive than i have with kubuntu
[18:27] <mefisto__> I tried to update it, and it refused to install. I guess that's good
[18:29] <gene> ok, back on the shop box, nv driver at 1024x768, still way low for this card & monitor
[18:30] <gene> a startx ca't find the nvidia driver, but nvidia-glx-legacy is installed.  What else do i need?
[18:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Digg it!  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Hardy_Heron_Alpha_4_Released
[18:31] <X9nLinuxX> I did a reinstall of Dapper on an old iMac yesterday.  Went into system settings -> Login Manager -> Admin mode | ... to make some modifications and it put up the password screen as expected... entered password and it popped up a window saying 'Conversation with su failed'...
[18:32] <X9nLinuxX> Q1: What does this mean?  Q2: How do I fix it?
[18:32] <unagi> can someone help me figure this out http://pastebin.org/17770
[18:34] <unagi> =/
[18:34] <unagi> !mount
[18:34] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[18:34] <unagi> where do you define where to automatically mount a drive
[18:35] <flipstar> FunnyLookinHat: youre a spammer
[18:35] <genii> !fstab
[18:35] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[18:36] <genii> unagi: Usually in /etc/fstab options
[18:36] <unagi> thats what i thought too
[18:36] <unagi> but i dont have an entry in fstab for this drive
[18:36] <unagi> kubuntu doesnt have something else?
[18:36] <Ayabara> My kubuntu laptop almost killed my hearing just now.. I selected front mic as master channel (by mistake), and when I increased volume I got a horrible beeping sound. Feedback maybe?
[18:37] <unagi> Ayabara: that sounds like an easy problem to troubleshoot..
[18:37] <flipstar> unagi: than add one ..
[18:37] <unagi> when i add one it doesnt mount
[18:37] <mefisto__> Ayabara: front mic is an input channel. you don't want that as master channel
[18:37] <ESL|Doomy> hi all
[18:37] <Ayabara> mefisto__: I know. I wanted to set Front, but selected the wrong one by mistake.
[18:38] <sui> hi
[18:38] <ESL|Doomy> does anyone know how to recognize LCD display by Kubuntu ?
[18:38] <Ayabara> little did I know that it almost was the last thing I ever did ;-)
[18:38] <unagi> do you need more info flipstar
[18:38] <flipstar> unagi: if you added correct it will be mounted on systemboot
[18:38] <unagi> its an external drive
[18:39] <unagi> when i add the entry it doesnt mount
[18:39] <unagi> when i take it out it mounts
[18:39] <unagi> but when i unmount it i get an error
[18:39] <Ayabara> how do I select which channels kmix shows me? all of a sudden pcm has disappeared..
[18:40] <llutz> Ayabara: openmixer, right-click -> channels
[18:40] <flipstar> unagi: maybe you did something wrong in the fstab .. ?
[18:40] <Ayabara> llutz: hmm. pcm isn't a choice there either
[18:41] <unagi> i doubt it...........i copied the entry from another ntfs drive
[18:41] <flipstar> but you adapt it .. ?
[18:42] <unagi> adapt it?
[18:43] <vma> hi
[18:44] <flipstar> .. costumize unagi
[18:45] <unagi> i dont understand
[18:45] <flipstar> modifiy
[18:45] <flipstar> *modify
[18:45] <unagi> modify it for what
[18:45] <MilitantPotato> Does CUPS 1.3.2 print the color wheel with a bright white bar in the middle of each color except white?
[18:45] <flipstar> for the external drive ..
[18:46] <unagi> other than modifying the drive to mount what else would i modify
[18:46] <flipstar> no the fstab entry
[18:46] <unagi> what am i suppose to modify
[18:47] <unagi> theres a breakdown in communication here
[18:47] <flipstar> you said you just copied the fstab entry from another drive..so im asking if you costumized it for the external drive
[18:47] <flipstar> aight im sry im busy here with other things
[18:47] <unagi> other than the mount point is there something else i am suppose to customize?
[18:48] <flipstar> the /dev entry or uuid
[18:48] <AMcBain> Hi, I have a bug in Dolphin I would like to see if someone can reproduce for me. The problem is that the bug only exhibits itself when the program is run via icon. We tried via GBD, and it doesn't happen. http://irc.konfabulator.pastebin.com/d6910ee03
[18:48] <unagi> ok lemme back up
[18:48] <unagi> yes i changed the entry for the drive
[18:49] <AMcBain> The steps here will cause Dolphin to Seg. Fault.
[18:49] <AMcBain> and afaik, seg faults are very bad.
[18:49] <unagi> and when the entry is there the drive doesnt mount, when i remove it it mounts
[18:49] <Xcell> Who here is using asus?
[18:49] <MilitantPotato> Asus Mobo?
[18:49] <Xcell> ya
[18:49] <mefisto__> I am
[18:50] <Xcell> I am fixing to put together a (M2V-MX se
[18:50] <MilitantPotato> I am also
[18:50] <Xcell> will it work ok?
[18:51] <MilitantPotato> In linux?
[18:51] <Xcell> ya
[18:51] <Xcell> i have 2 fully loaded crives 1=ubuntu and 2 kubuntu
[18:51] <Xcell> drives\
[18:52] <flipstar> unagi: could you just post your fstab on pastebin ?
[18:53] <lassizci> which packages do I need to install in kubuntu 7.04 to acces lvm2 volumes? (I'm a redhat user so a noob with *ubuntu)
[18:54] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/17776
[18:54] <flipstar> !find lvm | lassizci
[18:54] <ubotu> lassizci: Found: clvm, lvm2, autopkgtest-xenlvm, llvm, llvm-cfe (and 3 others)
[18:55] <MilitantPotato> Xcell: Looks like it works in linux fine, if it does use the VIA vt8237a chipset like google said
[18:56] <enry> hi
[18:56] <flipstar> unagi: so how is you external drive called ?
[18:56] <MilitantPotato> Xcell: Although Someone had a problem with software raid, but I didn't look any further into it
[18:56] <Xcell> nice, i was worried about via, but now im excited, thanks
[18:56] <unagi> that was my first question flipstar
[18:56] <Xcell> im using ide
[18:56] <unagi> er i think thats ur question
[18:56] <flipstar> uhm try sudo fdisk -l
[18:56] <unagi> if my drive isnt in fstab how is it mounted
[18:56] <unagi> the external is sdb1 or /media/External
[18:56] <Xcell> thanks MilitantPotato.
[18:57] <Xcell> be back in 2 hrs.
[18:57] <flipstar> there actually is no entry for that ..
[18:57] <unagi> i know
[18:57] <unagi> thats what i said
[18:57] <unagi> there is no entry for my external drive in fstab
[18:58] <mefisto__> unagi: does the directory /media/External exist?
[18:59] <unagi> if it does the drive mounts on /media/External-1
[18:59] <flipstar> maybe becourse /media/External is locked..?
[18:59] <unagi> what do you mean locked
[19:00] <unagi> even if it doesnt exist it mounts on /media/External
[19:00] <unagi> regardless i get the same error
[19:00] <flipstar> maybe it is unaccessable
[19:00] <unagi> its accessable
[19:03] <unagi> no more ideas?
[19:03] <mefisto__> unagi: type "cd /media/External" and see if it actually exists. If not, create the directory. Then change fstab to reflect which disk you want to mount at /media/External
[19:03] <unagi> if i create the directory it mounts as -1
[19:03] <mefisto__> so it doesn't exist?
[19:04] <flipstar> what tool do you use for mounting ?
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> unagi: what file system?
[19:04] <unagi> when i add an entry in fstab the drive doesnt mount
[19:04] <unagi> ntfs
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> unagi: two secs
[19:04] <unagi> well technically ntfs-3g
[19:04] <unagi> but my other two ntfs drives list as ntfs
[19:04] <flipstar> thats the driver ;)
[19:04] <unagi> i understand
[19:04] <unagi> what im trying to say is
[19:04] <flipstar> what tool do you use for mounting ?
[19:04] <unagi> that kde lists the filesystem as ntfs-3g
[19:04] <unagi> i dont use a tool
[19:04] <unagi> i plug it in
[19:04] <MilitantPotato> unagi:  sudo mkdir /media/sdb1
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g noauto,users,noquota,rw,exec,sync,nosuid,nodev,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[19:05] <MilitantPotato> add that to /etc/fstab
[19:06] <MilitantPotato> change gid=1000 and uid=1000 to whatever your ID is
[19:06] <unagi> doesnt mount
[19:06] <MilitantPotato> did ya add that?
[19:06] <unagi> yes
[19:06] <MilitantPotato> type sudo mount /dev/sdb1
[19:06] <unagi> i think we are getting lost on what the issue is
[19:06] <unagi> i can manually mount it
[19:06] <unagi> when the fstab isnt listed
[19:07] <unagi> it mounts when i plug it in
[19:07] <unagi> when the fstab entry is there it wont mount
[19:07] <MilitantPotato> have you enabled writing to external drives with NTFS-Config
[19:07] <unagi> the issue is when i unmount i get the error http://pastebin.org/17770
[19:07] <MilitantPotato> Does it say permission Denied?
[19:07] <unagi> no
[19:08] <flipstar> unagi: did you tried that new fstab entry from MilitantPotato ?
[19:08] <unagi> yes
[19:08] <unagi> it doesnt mount
[19:08] <flipstar> uhm
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> Una
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> With it in the Fstab
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> right click the drive in system:media
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> and go to props
[19:08] <MilitantPotato> if under the mounting tab "Mount as user" is checked, uncheck it.
[19:09] <unagi> it is uncheckked
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> run sudo ntfs-config
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> err
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> wai
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> t
[19:09] <MilitantPotato> kdesudo ntfs-config
[19:11] <unagi> ok wait
[19:11] <unagi> i added the entry
[19:11] <unagi> tried to remount, said user doesnt have write permissions.......
[19:11] <unagi> mounted it manually and now the mount tab is greyed out
[19:12] <MilitantPotato> did you change the UID and GID to match yours?
[19:13] <unagi> how do i find my uid and gid
[19:14] <MilitantPotato> id -u username
[19:14] <MilitantPotato>  id -g username
[19:14] <MilitantPotato> Did you leave that entry in FSTAB?
[19:14] <unagi> theyre both 1000
[19:14] <unagi> yes
[19:14] <unagi> currently the entry is in fstab and the drive was manually mounted
[19:14] <lassizci> my kubuntu has some pretty strange dependencies.. mdadm requires courier-mta :o
[19:15] <MilitantPotato>   chown root.ntfsuser $(which ntfs-3g)
[19:15] <unagi> literally that?
[19:15] <MilitantPotato> replace ntfsuser with your username
[19:15] <MilitantPotato> wait
[19:16] <MilitantPotato> wait :)
[19:16] <unagi> waiting
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> yea
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> use your username
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> If you have other users on your PC you want to let mount/unmount create a group called ntfsusers
[19:17] <MilitantPotato> chown root.ntfsuser $(which ntfs-3g)
[19:17] <unagi> now what
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> chmod 4750 $(which ntfs-3g)
[19:18] <unagi> ok this is getting way too involved
[19:18] <unagi> and im getting different errors
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> yea
[19:18] <unagi> i guess im going to put everything back and deal with the stupid error when i unmount
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> now do sudo chown user:group /media/sdb1
[19:18] <MilitantPotato> nah
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> do that command
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> replace user and group
[19:19] <MilitantPotato> with yours
[19:20] <unagi> this is quite a stupid errir
[19:20] <unagi> error
[19:20] <MilitantPotato> what is it?
[19:20] <MilitantPotato> I got 3 different while I did earch bit
[19:20] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/17770
[19:20] <unagi> thats with the entry NOT in fstab
[19:21] <tashiro_> Wats the best torrent client for Kde?
[19:21] <MilitantPotato> what's it say with it in it?
[19:21] <MilitantPotato> I use Ktorrent tashiro_
[19:21] <unagi> it doesnt mounth
[19:21] <jpatrick> !best | tashiro_
[19:21] <ubotu> tashiro_: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you really insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[19:21] <unagi> mont
[19:21] <unagi> omg
[19:21] <unagi> it doesnt mount
[19:22] <MilitantPotato> unagi: what error?
[19:22] <gavinreid> !adept > gavinreid
[19:22] <tashiro_> Thanx dude
[19:22] <flipstar> tashiro_: i prefer ktorrent
[19:22] <MilitantPotato> kdesudo kate /etc/fuse.conf
[19:22] <MilitantPotato> unagi: run that
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> unagi: uncomment (remove the #) from user_allow_other
[19:23] <flipstar> tashiro_: but it is the only one i tried ..
[19:23] <unagi> saved
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> Ktorrent supports PeerGuardian blocklists, which is nice.
[19:23] <unagi> now what
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> try mounting.
[19:23] <MilitantPotato> from konq
[19:23] <flipstar> and decryption and vht ..
[19:24] <unagi> ok it  mounts
[19:24] <unagi> unmounting gives me the error
[19:24] <MilitantPotato> what error?
[19:25] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/17770
[19:25] <MilitantPotato> sudo umount -a
[19:25] <MilitantPotato> then try again
[19:25] <flipstar> -a ???
[19:25] <MilitantPotato> all
[19:25] <flipstar> i know
[19:25] <unagi> i dont want to unmount all
[19:26] <MilitantPotato> ok, try sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[19:26] <unagi> not mounted
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> sudo umount /media/External-1
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> sudo rm /media/External-1
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> careful with that.
[19:27] <unagi> not found
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> ok
[19:27] <tashiro_> Ktorrent works like magic thanx buddy
[19:27] <MilitantPotato> Did it unmount?
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> Ah
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> Right click the drive
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> Go to the mounting tab
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> make it /media/sdb1
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> you probably made it /media/External-1
[19:28] <unagi> no i made it /media/External
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> So it tries to unmount it from there
[19:28] <unagi> which is what i want it to be
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> ok
[19:28] <unagi> and if i change it to sdb1
[19:28] <MilitantPotato> That's easily fixed
[19:28] <unagi> it will give me the same error
[19:28] <unagi> except for sdb1
[19:29] <MilitantPotato> you tried it after we changed all that stuff?
[19:29] <unagi> yes
[19:29] <unagi> if it does ti for external
[19:29] <unagi> it will do it for any of them
[19:29] <unagi> anything i put in there
[19:29] <MilitantPotato> What programs are using it?
[19:29] <unagi> none
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> sudo mkdir /media/External-1
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown user:name /media/External-1
[19:30] <unagi> then it mounts as External-2
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> odd.
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> try unplugging it?
[19:30] <mefisto__> unagi: what directory are you currently in?
[19:30] <unagi> i have
[19:30] <unagi> every time
[19:30] <unagi> in what mefisto__
[19:30] <MilitantPotato> Also, is enable writing to external devices checked in ntfs-config
[19:31] <unagi> i can write copy paste read everything
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> Konq or dolph I'd guess mefisto__
[19:31] <unagi> all im trying to do is stop that error
[19:31] <unagi> whatever the desktop is
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> No folders are open on that drive?
[19:31] <unagi> no
[19:31] <unagi> i plug it in it mounts i unmount it i get the error
[19:31] <unagi> it unmounts anyway
[19:31] <unagi> i just want the error to stop
[19:31] <mefisto__> unagi: is konqueror or dolphin, or a console, using that directory?
[19:31] <unagi> no
[19:31] <MilitantPotato> did you add anything to .hal-mtab
[19:32] <unagi> i dont know
[19:32] <unagi> i doubt it
[19:32] <unagi> i uninstalled and reinstalld hal
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> kdesudo kate /media/.hal-mtab
[19:32] <unagi> anything to do with hal
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> wow
[19:32] <MilitantPotato> crazy move :)
[19:32] <unagi> well that is what ubuntuforums called to do
[19:33] <unagi> /dev/sdb1	1000	0	ntfs	noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=222,utf8,exec	/media/Documents
[19:33] <unagi> /dev/sdb1	1000	0	ntfs-3g	nosuid,nodev,utf8	/media/External
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> did you change that thing I told you to add to /media/External
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> ah
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> you messed it all up ;)
[19:33] <unagi> i didnt do it
[19:33] <unagi> ive never heard of .hal-mtab
[19:33] <unagi> nor have i ever edited it
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> /dev/sdc3 /media/External ntfs-3g noauto,users,noquota,rw,exec,sync,nosuid,nodev,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[19:33] <unagi> but i am curious if i changed ntfs-3g to ntfs it will probably work
[19:33] <MilitantPotato> err
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> /dev/sdb1 /media/External ntfs-3g noauto,users,noquota,rw,exec,sync,nosuid,nodev,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> use that
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> then sudo mkdir /media/External
[19:34] <smeril> how can i get sound to work on youtube when i do soundtest its working
[19:34] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown user:group /media/external
[19:34] <unagi> omg i dont understand!
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown user:group /media/External
[19:35] <unagi> what group
[19:35] <MilitantPotato> unagi: ususally username:username
[19:35] <flipstar> group=username
[19:35] <flipstar> aight
[19:36] <KevinM> has anyone here had a problem with md5sum failing when installing on one machine but not failing on another machine?
[19:36] <unagi> yay for new errors!
[19:36] <flipstar> KevinM: try to change the default server
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> http://pastebin.org/17777
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> What error?
[19:36] <flipstar> KevinM: if this happens to every package
[19:36] <unagi> scratch that
[19:36] <unagi> same error
[19:36] <MilitantPotato> That's how my NTFS's are setup.
[19:36] <unagi> now what
[19:37] <unagi> but adding anything to fstab the drive wont mount
[19:37] <KevinM> oh, sorry, I mean when installing kubuntu (or ubuntu as well) I'm trying to install the 64bit version on a intel core 2 duo 6600
[19:38] <MilitantPotato> Did you do the chown user:user /media/External
[19:38] <MilitantPotato> caps matter.
[19:38] <KevinM> but the md5sums for theinstaller files all check out on other machines. Just not this one.
[19:38] <flipstar> KevinM: so you have an md5 error on one machine and no error at a similar machine during install..?
[19:39] <smeril> how cn i get sound to work
[19:39] <KevinM> you got, flipstar
[19:39] <unagi> yes i did
[19:39] <KevinM> *it
[19:39] <flipstar> the other machine also have 64bit..?
[19:39] <KevinM> yeah.
[19:39] <MilitantPotato> I gotta run, got an appointment
[19:39] <unagi> sigh
[19:39] <unagi> ttyl
[19:40] <MilitantPotato> sorry man
[19:40] <unagi> its cool
[19:40] <unagi> theres a few problems im having with kubuntu that makes it hard to like it over gnome
[19:40] <flipstar> KevinM: this happend once or more than once ?
[19:41] <KevinM> I know the iso file downloaded and burned correctly, so something is happening during the install's md5sum checks
[19:41] <unagi> how do i find out if my cpu is 64 bit capable
[19:41] <MilitantPotato> KevinM: bad RAM or HD?
[19:41] <mefisto__> unagi: maybe try a restart after all those changes? perhaps those errors will not reoccur and you can forget about them
[19:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> unagi: what processor do you have?
[19:41] <KevinM> I was able to install fedora core 8 no prob
[19:41] <flipstar> KevinM: this happend once or more than once ?
[19:42] <flipstar> if once it could be your hardware ..
[19:42] <KevinM> I've burned three different CDs trying it out. No success.
[19:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> KevinM: did you do an md5 check on the iso after you downloaded it?
[19:42] <flipstar> error at the same package ?
[19:42] <KevinM> yeah. checked the iso, the proceeded to check the packages reported "corrupt" they all checked out and matched the included md5sum lists
[19:43] <KevinM> So I know that data corruption during download or burn is not the problem
[19:44] <KevinM> I haven't tried the 32-bit version yet
[19:44] <flipstar> does the error accour at the same package ?
[19:45] <KevinM> it occurs at the first package, so the install stops and doesn't bother to check any additional packages
[19:45] <KevinM> so I guess this isn't ringing any bells for anyone reading
[19:45] <sfears> how do i figure out what the /dev of my usb thumb drive is so i can mount it?
[19:46] <KevinM> sfears: try fdisk -l
[19:46] <flipstar> sudo fdisk -l sfears
[19:46] <KevinM> that's an "ell"
[19:46] <sfears> that only lists hard disks
[19:46] <flipstar> lsusb
[19:46] <KevinM> try "tail /var/log/messages" right after you connect it
[19:46] <flipstar> or use lsusb
[19:47] <sfears> it's plugged in but lsusb doesn't show anything..
[19:47] <mefisto__> I've been having a problem with video aspect ratio in players that use xine. It's always too narrow, but only in kubuntu. When I log in to an xfce session, aspect is OK. If I log in to kde after xfce, aspect is OK. But logging into kde first, it's always wrong (too narrow)
[19:48] <sfears> so messages shows scsi2.. is it mount /dev/scsi2 /directory?
[19:48] <sigma_1234> whats the correct way to search for files in konqueror?
[19:48] <sfears> says scsi2 doesn't exist
[19:48] <flipstar> probably /dev/sdd
[19:49] <sfears> doesn't exist flipstar
[19:49] <flipstar> sigma_1234: ctrg+f
[19:49] <flipstar> then try that log at /var/log/messages
[19:50] <hele> mefisto: I have same problem with my 4:3 crt. Problem came with gutsy. 16:10 tft working fine.
[19:51] <mefisto__> hele: for me it started about a week ago, I've had gutsy installed about a month
[19:52] <flipstar> did you changed some video drivers or something ?
[19:52] <sigma_1234> flipstar: yeah i know that but when i type something in it never finds anything even when the files exist
[19:52] <KevinM> sfears: you can try tail /var/log/messages | grep "removable"
[19:52] <flipstar> <-- sfears hat den Server verlassen (Remote closed the connection).
[19:53] <sigma_1234> flipstar: is there a special syntax that must be used?
[19:53] <flipstar> no ..
[19:53] <flipstar> maybe you put something in the tab 'content'..?
[19:55] <unagi> Daisuke i have core 2 duo 1.6ghz
[19:55] <unagi> laptop
[19:55] <unagi> i forget the cpu model number though
[19:55] <unagi> intel  makes it hard to remember
[19:56] <sigma_1234> someone told me to put something before the word i was searching for and it worked. not too sure what it was though
[19:56] <mefisto__> sigma_1234: the search filter thing in the toolbar makes it easy
[19:57] <flipstar> unagi: the core 2 duo series have 64bit support
[19:58] <phoenixz> I have a presentation that I used in an introductionary course to Linux.. Im thinking about releasing it to the public, but what license would it have to be if it were to be "open source" ?
[19:58] <sigma_1234> the toolbar only searches the face of the directory you are in
[19:58] <sigma_1234> creative commons licence
[19:59] <hele> mefisto_: I think that there have been some update wich suppouse that everyone have 16:10 monitor. Xorg.conf have to some aspect ratio setting but those did'nt work with xine. I solve problem using mplayer.
[19:59] <flipstar> !gpl | phoenixz
[19:59] <sigma_1234> or the gnu license
[19:59] <ubotu> phoenixz: gpl is the GNU General Public License. See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[19:59] <mefisto__> sigma_1234: you might want to try installing searchmonkey to find files
[19:59] <sigma_1234> !info searchmonkey
[19:59] <ubotu> searchmonkey (source: searchmonkey): search files using regular expressions aiming to replace find/grep tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-4 (gutsy), package size 228 kB, installed size 524 kB
[20:00] <unagi> interesting.........
[20:02] <hele> mefisto: I think that i read somewhere that xine should read aspect ratio settings from xorg.conf...
[20:03] <phoenixz> flipstar, gpl could also be used for a presentation then?
[20:06] <flipstar> normally gpl is used for software..im not sure
[20:08] <bittin> Hi
[20:08] <bittin> what do i need to get a real player stream to work?
[20:08] <flipstar> !real
[20:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:10] <bittin> diden't work
[20:10] <flipstar> phoenixz: i just checked it..yes you can http://www.oekonux.de/texte/meilenstein/paper.html#FDL
[20:11] <flipstar> try real player for linux
[20:11] <bittin> have tryied that
[20:11] <bittin> and mPlayer
[20:11] <phoenixz> flipstar, sweeet! I will first have to convince my bosses that I should release it openly, but with this at least I can investigate it a bit
[20:11] <phoenixz> flipstar, realplayer for linux is like poison with your hotdog.. you can try it but I would not really recommend it..
[20:12] <flipstar> bittin: real player doesnt work for real player streams ?
[20:12] <calamari> is there a channel for Hardy?
[20:12] <flipstar> !hardy
[20:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:12] <calamari> thanks!
[20:12] <bittin> flipstar: nah :(
[20:12] <flipstar> any errors ?
[20:12] <bittin> http://static.pici.se/pictures/OLAItwDuZ.png
[20:13] <unagi> ok so theoretically
[20:13] <Pici> I hope that site doesnt become too popupar.  Keeps setting off my hilights.
[20:13] <unagi> 64 runs more efficiently?
[20:14] <bittin> tried for hours and hours to get it to work
[20:14] <KevinM> unagi: just has a larger address space and an enhanced ISA. I wouldn't call x86_64 more efficient, just more
[20:14] <unagi> just more what
[20:14] <KevinM> haha... exactly
[20:14] <KevinM> just more
[20:15] <unagi> then why do they bother writing programs for 64
[20:15] <KevinM> larger address space can be useful sometimes, plus some instructions work better on a 64bit architecture (float calcs, etc)
[20:16] <flipstar> thats the thing programs in 64bit are faster but not all programms support 64bit
[20:16] <KevinM> AFAIK
[20:16] <unagi> i know but maya does
[20:16] <unagi> so programs like maya probably works better on 64?
[20:16] <flipstar> right
[20:16] <KevinM> yep. As good or better.
[20:16] <unagi> well heck
[20:17] <unagi> all of a sudden i  have need to reformat
[20:17] <flipstar> but..other programs may not work as long as you dont chroot an 32bit environment ..
[20:17] <unagi> ewwwwwwwww
[20:17] <unagi> is that nice and involved?
[20:17] <sigma16> where would i go to get help on setting up a mail server...
[20:17] <KevinM> yep, and you need 32bit compatibility libraries to build some apps from source
[20:17] <flipstar> there are a few known..like codecs and...i forgot
[20:18] <tyson_> how do i take ownership of a file currently owned by root?
[20:18] <unagi> ok ok ok..........lets try this...........if i were to make another partition jsut for 64 kubuntu, can i customize it to run just maya and a select few other things i needm inimalistically?
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> I created a folder I called /home/Share which I plan to use for sharing files across users. My question is who should I make the owner of this folder? me or root? Thanks!
[20:19] <KevinM> sudo chown OWNER FILE
[20:19] <unagi> actually if i was going to do that i might as well install a whole new flavor of linux
[20:19] <flipstar> Odd-rationale: you can set to allow other users to access
[20:19] <unagi> rpm based
[20:19] <flipstar> anyway
[20:20] <tyson_> thanks mate
[20:20] <bittin> iam getting it to work but not directly in the browser
[20:20] <unagi> i wonder what flavor best works with maya
[20:20] <flipstar> bittin: there was a thing called helix-player maybe you'll try this
[20:21] <flipstar> or vlc..
[20:21] <mefisto__> bittin: is it supposed to work embedded in the browser?
[20:21] <flipstar> but with vlc im not sure
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: I opened dolphin as root, right-clicked the folder and changed all the Access Permissions to "Can View & Madify Content" I was just wondering who would be best the Owner of the folder. Or does it not matter?
[20:21] <bittin> yepp
[20:21] <bittin> i have tryied helix-player, mplayer and realplayer now
[20:21] <flipstar> i dont think i would Odd-rationale
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> flipstar: OK Because last time I messed with file permissions I ended up not being able to log on. :(
[20:22] <genii> Odd-rationale: Better to make a group called something unimaginative like Share then add whoever's allowed into the group. Then change the goup ownership to that group and permissions 755 or such
[20:22] <kreib> I get operation not permitted trying to chown a file when using sudo. What's up with that?
[20:22] <bittin> can try vlc also
[20:22] <unagi> anyone know anything about maya?
[20:23] <bittin> diden't work in vlc
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> genii: OK. I don't know much about file permissions. I'll see if I can figure out how to do that.
[20:23] <genii> unagi: I know there is a Unix version. A Linux version  I don't know. Best to email someone at their information desk or similar
[20:23] <unagi> i know i run it
[20:23] <unagi> im wondering what is the best flavor of linux to run it
[20:23] <mefisto__> bittin: which browser?
[20:23] <genii> unagi: Unix <> Linux
[20:24] <unagi> what?
[20:24] <bittin> mefisto__: Firefox
[20:24] <genii> unagi: A Unix version will not necessarily run on Linux. They are not the same thing
[20:24] <flipstar> bittin: the screenshot you made just showed that real player was not found
[20:24] <unagi> ok
[20:24] <bittin> yea
[20:24] <bittin> what more u wan't to know
[20:24] <flipstar> maybe youll have to link that in the firefox plugin dir
[20:24] <unagi> im running maya, on linux
[20:24] <bittin> its in the /home
[20:24] <unagi> there is a linux version of maya
[20:24] <bittin> true
[20:25] <bittin> where is the FF plugin dir?
[20:25] <bittin> was a while i was using linux
[20:25] <genii> unagi: Good then :) You should ask the people at Maya which linux their software prefers best.
[20:26] <unagi> they take too long to answer
[20:26] <flipstar> bittin: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> genii: I'm creating a new group through the KDE system settings. What should the group ID be? the default is 1002. Is that OK?
[20:26] <unagi> i wonder if its possible to have maya run as an OS
[20:26] <genii> Odd-rationale: Yeah, thats fine
[20:26] <flipstar> yes it is Odd-rationale
[20:26] <unagi> thatd be awesome
[20:26] <flipstar> unagi: isn maya a 3d software..?
[20:26] <flipstar> +t
[20:26] <unagi> yes
[20:27] <flipstar> uhm how youll have to run it as an os?
[20:27] <KevinM> unagi: unless maya is built to use 64 bit extensions you won't see any difference between 32 and 64 bit
[20:28] <bittin> but now helix started it :P
[20:28] <unagi> wow ok this is cute
[20:28] <bittin> but don't works
[20:28] <unagi> i accidently turned my backlight off how do i get it back on
[20:28] <bittin> Connection to server could not be established. You may be experiencing network problems. (rtsp://qstream-rm.qbrick.com/00928/auto30/080131carin.rm)
[20:28] <Odd-rationale> genii: Now for the ownership of the /home/Share folder, should I make the User = Share and the Group = Share?
[20:29] <flipstar> bittin: try another link..
[20:29] <genii> Odd-rationale: User does not matter. The imortant thing is group to be Share
[20:29] <unagi> wow this is annoying!
[20:29] <Odd-rationale> genii: OK thanks so much!
[20:29] <unagi> how do i get my backlight back on
[20:29] <bittin> flipstar: can't be problem with the site its swedens biggest TV-network
[20:30] <unagi> is it suppose to stay off when u move the slider down?
[20:30] <genii> Odd-rationale: No problem. Don't forget to add users who will be allowed access to that folder into the new group called Share
[20:30] <flipstar> right bittin the stream works..i just tested with mplayer
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> genii: Yes, thanks!
[20:30] <KevinM> unagi: I think the 64 bit version of Maya has to be bought seperately from the 32 bit version
[20:30] <genii> Odd-rationale: Also, to make the read/write/execute permissions of the folder something like 755
[20:30] <unagi> KevinM: i have both versions
[20:31] <unagi> can someone help me reinstate my backlight please
[20:31] <unagi> is there a command for it?
[20:31] <bittin> flipstar: it work on some streams :P
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> genii: sudo chmod -R 755 /home/Share ?
[20:32] <genii> Odd-rationale: Exactly, yes :)
[20:32] <unagi> is it that no one knows or there isnt a command for it
[20:33] <KevinM> unagi: how did it get turned off?
[20:33] <unagi> i slid the slider down
[20:35] <unagi> KevinM: i slid the slider down
[20:35] <maracutaia> whats up
[20:35] <genii> unagi: Backlight is usually hardware controlled.
[20:35] <genii> bah
[20:36] <Odd-rationale> genii: Ok, going to log out to test. Thanks so much!
[20:39] <KevinM> unagi: maybe a hard reset, but otherwise, no idea. sorry
[20:39] <KevinM> wait, sorry, wrong term. not a real "hard" reset. Just something that completely powers off the laptop
[20:40] <TimS> !divx
[20:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:44] <sigma16> can i get help with postfix setup
[20:48] <unagi> sigh
[20:48] <unagi> that was silly to have to restart X to get the backlight back
[20:49] <bittin> somone knows how i can get my w-lan to work?
[20:49] <flipstar> !wlan
[20:49] <flipstar> !lag
[20:49] <flipstar> !botsnack
[20:49] <Flare183> !botabuse | flipstar
[20:50] <flipstar> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[20:50] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:50] <ubotu> flipstar: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[20:51] <flipstar> i just tried to feed him ..
[20:51] <anton__> =(
[20:51] <anton__> Anyone know how to fix a clock on the desktop? Like not in the taskbar
[20:51] <flipstar> maybe he ran out of energy ..
[20:52] <flipstar> anton__: try buici-clock
[20:52] <anton__> cheers
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> genii: Thanks for the help. I was able to log back in again. :) My problem is that if user guest creates a file /home/Share he becomes the owner of the file and other users can't edit that file. Is there a way to make all files created in /home/Share to belong to Group Share? Thanks again!
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> * guest creates a file *in* /home/Share
[20:56] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: http://www.ss64.com/bash/umask.html
[20:58] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: Better page here. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: Reading....
[20:59] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: does kind of what you need. it doesn't change the owner though. From what I can remember the creator of the file will be the owner unless changed later.
[20:59]  * __-osh-__ is away again.
[21:01] <flipstar> is there an easy way to create an random number in a specific range ?
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> Will umask affect every file the user creates or just the file in a specific folder e.g. /home/Share ?
[21:01] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: also have a look at pam_umask which might do what you ask. I just glanced it and it does look promising.
[21:02] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: All from what I gather.
[21:03] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: You could go the ugly way and put a cronjob that will recursivly change the GID of all files in /home/Share/ naturally...
[21:03] <jetsaredim> how in sync are the kde4 packages with trunk?
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> Hmm. No thanks. :)
[21:05] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: did you catch my previous konversation with genii, or would you like me to explain what I did so far?
[21:05] <anton__> right so i got the clock
[21:05] <anton__> and i installed it using synaptic
[21:06] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: Not much point as I'm leaving the keyboard for a beer in about 3 min. Just thought I'd give some pointers in case they were useful.
[21:06] <anton__> But now it looks really bad
[21:06] <anton__> and i want another skin
[21:06] <anton__> how to fix?
[21:06] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: OK. Thanks anyways.
[21:06] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: good luck. =)
[21:06] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[21:08] <anton__> where can i find buici clock settings?
[21:09] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: if you could get your users to use the command chgrp then perhaps all files created by those users would belong to the group that they'd changed to. Have a look at it.
[21:09] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: if the permissions then were to let gorup members edit files you'd be home free.
[21:10] <__-osh-__> Odd-rationale: Somehow I don't quite get what your'e trying to do. if you need your users to edit files then you could have overwrite-issues. Perhaps you should look at SVN or something like that instead?
[21:11] <anton__> so.. anyone in here that have buici clock at all?
[21:11] <__-osh-__> anton__: no.
[21:11] <anton__> =(
[21:11] <jetsaredim> how in sync are the kde4 packages with trunk?  There seems to be some new plasma changes allowing the panel to be more configured and it would be nice to get a hold of them.
[21:11]  * __-osh-__ is enjoying a beer instead. Have fun guys.
[21:12] <anton__> k cya osh =)
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: Thanks for your suggestions! Have fun.
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> __-osh-__: BTW was your beer "free"?
[21:14] <unagi> oh wow
[21:14] <unagi> omg i am so angry
[21:14] <unagi> if i have a file open and i restart x is it still open somewhere
[21:17] <smeril> is there a comand for installing mpg support?
[21:18] <Flare183> !codec | smeril
[21:18] <ubotu> smeril: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:20] <Xcell> ok! im just started (MV2-MX SE) asus mobo, with via graphics, when in (sys settings) which do i pick?
[21:20] <Xcell> to get out of vessa
[21:21] <Bizzeh> hey
[21:22] <Bizzeh> is there a way to make kubuntu to NOT install grub to the mbr, and install it to the boot partition instead
[21:23] <unagi> why does kde alt+tab in such a weird way
[21:24] <alesan> unagi: that's what I ask to myself since almost ten years
[21:24] <vma> weird way?
[21:25] <alesan> it would be very cool if alt+tab was working in a meaningful way
[21:25] <alesan> I'd use it a lot
[21:27] <mefisto__> what's wrong with alt-tab?
[21:27] <genii>  Bizzeh: If you install grub to a partition instead of an entire drive it overwrites the partition information.
[21:28] <frojnd> Does UTP kable rolled into circles effect in anyway file transfeer ? magnetic fiels or smth ?
[21:28] <genii> Bizzeh: So short answer is: Yes, you can install to the boot partition but it renders your partition useless
[21:28] <unagi> wow alesan does that mean theres no fix for it?
[21:29] <alesan> unagi: I've never found a way to make it correct
[21:29] <unagi> wow that is UBER annoying
[21:29] <mefisto__> what?
[21:29] <unagi> think its changed in ked 4?
[21:29] <alesan> no idea
[21:29] <unagi> the alt + tab behavior in kde mefisto__
[21:29] <alesan> mefisto__: basically
[21:29] <alesan> if you press alt tsab you get random windows
[21:29] <Xcell> Xcell: ok! im just started (MV2-MX SE) asus mobo, with via graphics, when in (sys settings) which do i pick?
[21:29] <Xcell> Xcell: to get out of vessa
[21:29] <alesan> not the last one you used
[21:29] <unagi> basically you should be able to alt + tab between 2 windows even if you have 20 open
[21:30] <unagi> or arrange your window z depth by just alt + tab
[21:30] <mefisto__> random windows? not on my kde
[21:30] <unagi> not random
[21:30] <unagi> in order
[21:30] <mefisto__> that's what it does
[21:30] <unagi> i dont want it to
[21:30] <unagi> i want it to be gnome/windows like
[21:30] <unagi> it makes more sense
[21:31] <mefisto__> what do you want? random instead of cycling?
[21:31] <unagi> not 'random'
[21:31] <anton__> Anyone got a tip for a nice kde addon?
[21:31] <alesan> mefisto__: the first window on alt+tab should be the last window you used
[21:31] <unagi> a b c d...........a is visible...........alt tab once..........the order is now b a c d............b is visible...............alt tab twice...............c b a d..............c is visible
[21:31] <unagi> it makes so much more sense that way
[21:32] <mefisto__> alesan: that's exactly what it does here
[21:32] <unagi> ?
[21:32] <unagi> brb
[21:33] <alesan> mefisto__: it has NEVER done that in every KDE installation I tried in the past, almost 10 years
[21:33] <unagi> the actual title is 'walk through applications'
[21:34] <mefisto__> maybe you have the taskbar in panel settings sorted alphabetically or something?
[21:34] <alesan> mefisto__: which settings have you changed for that?
[21:34] <unagi> they arent sorted alphabetically
[21:34] <unagi> what would it have to do with the taskbar
[21:34] <alesan> no, I don't think so. I never touch those options :)
[21:35] <alesan> indeed, the taskbar I think has no importance here...
[21:35] <vma> i've got the same behavior here :o
[21:35] <unagi> which one vma
[21:36] <mefisto__> right-click the panel>configure panel>taskbar. maybe try switching of alphabetical sorting and grouping similar tasks
[21:36] <vma> the right one
[21:36] <val0> SlimeyPete: you around?
[21:36] <alesan> vma: how did you do that?
[21:37] <DFlame> folks, just a quickie.......
[21:37] <vma> it's like that since kubuntu is on my computer :o
[21:37] <DFlame> i hit ctrl-alt-esc to get the kill cursor
[21:37] <DFlame> i missed >.>
[21:37] <DFlame> the desktop too the hit
[21:37] <DFlame> *took
[21:38] <david__> howdy - > akgregator or liferea
 basically you should be able to alt + tab between 2 windows even if you have 20 open
[21:39] <SSJ_GZ> doh
[21:40] <SSJ_GZ> Anyway, you can accomplish this by unchecking the inappropriately named "Show Window List When Switching Windows"
[21:41] <vma> DFlame: you want your desktop back?
[21:42] <DFlame> please :)
[21:43] <vma> mh, how about writing kdesktop on konsole?
[21:43] <DFlame> Cheers, I'll remember to watch where i point that next time xD
[21:44] <vma> :P
[22:00] <Steven_M> hi all
[22:00] <flipstar> !howdy
[22:00] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:01] <enry> good night!
[22:05] <Steven_M> hi flipstar
[22:07] <matthew_> How can I install nvidia drivers on fiesty fawn?
[22:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> odd...  the installer from a windows program restarted x.
[22:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> not a posisbility i'm fond of
[22:12] <Bizzeh> no, wine choked on something... and crashed x
[22:15] <unagi_> ok so whos the guy that said his alt tab was doing the right thing?
[22:15] <unagi_> because i wanna know how to do it =/
[22:15] <mez> !nvidia | matthew_
[22:15] <ubotu> matthew_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> twice :\
[22:16] <SSJ_GZ>  basically you should be able to alt + tab between 2 windows even if you have 20 open
[22:16] <SSJ_GZ> [21:40] <SSJ_GZ> Anyway, you can accomplish this by unchecking the inappropriately named "Show Window List When Switching Windows"
[22:17] <Steven_M> my uncle has installed a new firewire card, will kubuntu detect it automaically
[22:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> that depends, is it on the supported hardware list?  (but overall, given ubuntu's track record, yes, it should probably be detected.  but who uses firewire anyway?)
[22:19] <Steven_M> Daisuke_Laptop: my uncle hehe
[22:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> sometimes i have 3d acceleration on here, sometimes i don't.
[22:21] <Steven_M> Daisuke_Laptop: can you give me a link to the suported hardware list?
[22:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> who makes it?
[22:23] <mefisto__> how can I change the resolution of the login screen? It's not the same res as after login
[22:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareIdentification
[22:26] <Steven_M> Daisuke_Laptop: thanks :)
[22:26] <unagi_> anyone know how to change the alt+tab behavior
[22:28] <vma> dunno, sorry :
[22:28] <unagi_> vma so you can alt tab between 2 windows even if you have 5 open?
[22:28] <vma> yep
[22:28] <unagi_> what version of kde do you have
[22:28] <SSJ_GZ> unagi_: Did you see my post above?
[22:29] <mefisto__> unagi_: system settings>window behaviour. Then right-click "what's this" to get an explanation of what the options do
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> it works by default
[22:29] <vma> uhm
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> alt+ tab goes from here to my xterm
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> alt + tab again goes back here.
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> there are a few other apps open as well
[22:29] <unagi_> ok........whatever the term for alt+tab is for switching through application
[22:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> huh?
[22:30] <unagi_> task switching i guess is the term for it
[22:30] <mefisto__> unagi_: you want alt-tab to just cycle current and last-used window, right?
[22:30] <unagi_> well kind of
[22:30] <unagi_> i shuold be able to re arrange the heirarchy with just alt+tab based on if i hold down alt or not
[22:30] <unagi_> like with windows or gnome
[22:32] <mefisto__> well, that's what it has always done for me. check system settings> window behaviour, and see if "show window list while switching windows" is ticked
[22:32] <vma> version is 3.5.8 :o
[22:33] <unagi_> that helps
[22:33] <unagi_> is ther a way to change the way the list looks?
[22:35] <unagi_> kde is getting more bearable ;)
[22:35] <vma> heh
[22:35] <unagi_> what
[22:35] <mefisto__> unagi_: so it was off and you turned it on?
[22:35] <unagi_> yea
[22:36] <unagi_> =)
[22:36] <unagi_> im so happy now
[22:36] <vma> congrats
[22:36]  * SSJ_GZ sighs
[22:36] <unagi_> thank you
[22:36] <mefisto__> :)
[22:36] <unagi_> now on to my other annoyances
[22:36] <unagi_> =)
[22:36] <vma>  <SSJ_GZ> [21:40] <SSJ_GZ> Anyway, you can accomplish this by unchecking the inappropriately named "Show Window List When Switching Windows"  <? :P
[22:37] <unagi_> kopete hangs on start with no error.............and i get an error when i unmount my external..........it still unmounts its just annyoing
[22:37] <vinolencia> howdy all, i'm having an issue with VLC not playing all of a burnt DVD (and other media progras like xine and kaffeine do not even open the DVD); anyone have anyt thoughs?
[22:37] <unagi_> i didnt see these messages
[22:38] <unagi_> is there a way to change the lok of the list
[22:39] <vma> dunno
[22:41] <d|abolic> Hello
[22:41] <d|abolic> anyone avaliable to provide me with a little bit of support?
[22:41] <mefisto__> unagi_: change it how?
[22:42] <unagi_> just the look........just icons would be nice
[22:42] <unagi_> and arranged horizontally
[22:45] <unagi_> kopete hangs on start with no error.............and i get an error when i unmount my external..........it still unmounts its just annyoing, and ideas?
[23:02] <puhhnah> why i cannot launch firefox from bin file like i can in windows from exe, i use kde4
[23:05] <woddf2> Hello
[23:05] <kiirtee> you must give this file executable right
[23:05] <woddf2> How do I upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy?
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> !gutsy
[23:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[23:06] <woddf2> Thanks
[23:06] <woddf2> Goodbye
[23:14] <Xcell> using a (M2V-MX SE) board with via graphics, how do I get off vessa?
[23:14] <Xcell> which drivers work?
[23:20] <Xcell> hello?
[23:21] <Xcell> typical
[23:21] <danielkubuntu> hi
[23:23] <unagi_> can someone explain to me how to find the bash command for a program i just installed from repos when the name i used to dl it doesnt run it
[23:25] <shinda> hey guys was wondering, I'm using media tomb and wanted to have it startup as daemon when I boot, I tried putting a bash script link to run it on load in my /etc/init.d folder
[23:26] <shinda> but it doesn't seem to load, so I'm guessing I'm missing something here, if anyone could help it be great
[23:28] <mefisto__> unagi_: "apt-cache search packagename" might give you a clue. what did you install?
[23:28] <Xcell>  using a (M2V-MX SE) board with via graphics, how do I get off vessa?
[23:28] <unagi_> imagemagick
[23:29] <ol_dude67> shinda, it might help if you pastebin the file you are trying to use? so someone may look at it.
[23:30] <shinda> !pastebin
[23:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:31] <mefisto__> unagi_: that confused me too when I first installed it. it's not a single program. try "info imagemagick" for an explanation
[23:31] <unagi_> well that makes more sense
[23:31] <Dr_willis> Xcell,  if thats a nvidia card check the !nvidia factoid to see what one of the nvidia drivers its to be using.  glx, glx-legacy, or the newer.  i guess..  That card dosent sound famuler to me at all.
[23:31] <unagi_> so im learning that imagemagick doesnt support .iff
[23:32] <unagi_> is there any program that supports .iff to .jpg or .png or .iff sequences to .avi .mpg
[23:32] <shinda> ol_dude67: np - the file I made in my /etc/init.d is - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54397/
[23:33] <Dr_willis> .iff ? you mean the old amiga animation format?
[23:34] <Dr_willis> iff to png ive seen done I think with the  imagemagik tools.  Not sure if gimp can load those or not
[23:34] <val0> SlimeyPete: if you are around and want to know the end to the story let me know :D
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> val0: go on then
[23:35] <Dr_willis> !info netpbm
[23:35] <ubotu> netpbm (source: netpbm-free): Graphics conversion tools. In component main, is optional. Version 2:10.0-11 (gutsy), package size 1165 kB, installed size 4108 kB
[23:35] <val0> SlimeyPete: remember the story from last night i was telling you around with the c/c #'s
[23:37] <flipstar> anyone know how to create a random number in a specific range ?
[23:37] <FaiDillinGer> anyone knows how i get the ctrl+alt+del shortcut to bring out the task manager ??
[23:38] <flipstar> FaiDillinGer: you can set it in kmenu
[23:38] <flipstar> just go to ksysguard and edit it there
[23:38] <SlimeyPete> val0: yep
[23:38] <FaiDillinGer> flipstar: ok thanks, i just found out  its ctrl + esc
[23:38] <shinda> sorry ol_dude spam filters blocking my messages; but the command i've pasted loads fine when I run it in my konsole.
[23:40] <val0> well, i finally got a hold of the cops today and they have contacted visa and m/c and they are launching investigations and such... the only shame is that nobody could do anything during the night, and had to wait till morning for the fraud dept. to open. It's nice to know that people can steal your data and you can't do anything untill somebody on the other end wakes up
[23:42] <tashiro_> any tips on how to make Ktorrent download faster?.....im totaly clueless
[23:43] <flipstar> enable vht
[23:44] <tashiro_> How do i do that ? :)
[23:45] <FaiDillinGer> dht ?
[23:45] <flipstar> in settings
[23:45] <flipstar> in my translation its vht ...
[23:45] <FaiDillinGer> ok
[23:45] <mefisto__> and port forwarding, which ktorrent can do for you
[23:46] <mefisto__> I think it's called upnp plugin
[23:47] <Dr_willis> upnp in ktorrent works good for me here.
[23:47] <tashiro_> Thanx a lot :-}
[23:49] <mefisto__> windows users could use kubuntu livecd to set port forwarding with ktorrent too, I suppose
[23:51] <iceman_> what is the command to format a drive. I need to formatt my usb
[23:53] <Dr_willis> iceman_,  mkfs.WHATEVERFSYOUWANT
[23:53] <Dr_willis> with a sudo of course added in front
[23:53] <iceman_> k
[23:54] <unagi_> anyone know much about mencoder?
[23:55] <FaiDillinGer> hi
[23:55] <NickPresta> hi FaiDillinGer
[23:56] <flipstar> what do want to know about that unagi_ ?
[23:56] <FaiDillinGer> hi NickPresta
[23:56] <unagi_> or at least how the heck do you search a man page
[23:56] <flipstar> man mencoder ;)
[23:56] <unagi_> im looking at it
[23:56] <FaiDillinGer> does anyone know how can i make the window key pop up the kmenu ??
[23:56] <unagi_> do i really have to go through each line to find what i need
[23:56] <NickPresta> unagi_, `man mencoder`. To search for specific terms, type: "/TERM" To go to the next found word, press n.
[23:57] <flipstar> could user man mencoder |grep <whatever>
[23:57] <flipstar> -r
[23:57] <unagi_> thank you
[23:57] <unagi_> | grep doesnt give me the whole text
[23:58] <mefisto__> unagi_: if you hit the / key, then type the search term when the man page is displayed
[23:58] <unagi_> mencoder "mf://*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o output.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4<-----------------------------why does this give me [demux_mf] file type was not set! trying 'type=jpg'...
[23:58] <NickPresta> mefisto__, yep. I told him that too =(


[00:29] <ryanakca> ... many canadian cities have forts... Kingston (several, Henry, Frontnac, Frederick, etc.), Quebec, Halifax, Montreal, etc., huge ditches, deep limestone walls, towers and all the trimmings
[09:20] <MenZa> Morning jussi01 :)
[10:08] <vox> sigh
[10:14] <MenZa> vox: such children these days. :(
[10:14]  * MenZa goes for breakfast.
[10:14] <vox> i asked nicely
[10:14] <vox> but no
[10:14]  * vox shrug
[10:15] <jussi01> vox: have you checked your bans in #ubuntu to make sure any old/stale ones are removed?
[10:15] <vox> i.. dont think i've banned anyone
[10:16] <vox> oh wait, i did a couple of days ago
[10:16] <vox> my first #ubuntu ban
[10:16] <vox> oh how my heart fluttered
[10:16] <bazhang> hehe
[10:17] <gord> thats not because of the ban, ubuntu op stress is just getting to your major organs
[10:19] <vox> that's.. a big banlist
[10:19] <jussi01> vox: hence we want you to keep your bans clean
[10:20] <vox> nod
[10:24]  * MenZa , again, mentions how freenode needs a Super-Duper-HIGHLY-extended banlist.
[10:24]  * tonyyarusso guesses there are bans in there from people who aren't even opping anymore
[10:24] <vox> what's the stance on multiple clients from the same source address?
[10:24] <jussi01> MenZa: nope, it just needs people to take care of bans...
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> I'd disagree MenZa - bigger banlists just let us be lazier.
[10:24] <jussi01> vox: allowed, but not too many...
[10:24] <MenZa> hmm
[10:24] <MenZa> I suppose
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> I'll bet 50% of the ones currently standing don't actually need to be there.
[10:25] <jussi01> vox: whats freenodes policy? ;)
[10:25] <jpds> MenZa: Again, we do have a super banlist.
[10:25]  * MenZa proposes a bantriage!
[10:25] <jpds> MenZa: Freenode only allows 50 bans a channel, with the +L mode, we're allowed 200, I believe.
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> We need some peons to do menial labor of comparing every single ban to bantracker notes
[10:25] <jussi01> MenZa: be my guest... if you can rally everyone to actually look at their bans...
[10:25] <MenZa> I'd be happy to run though some of them.
[10:26] <MenZa> It's no different than doing a five-a-day.
[10:26] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: or we cauld write some software to do it :P
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Feel free?  (I couldn't)
[10:26] <MenZa> It doesn't seem like that much of a chore.
[10:27] <vox> jussi01: several
[10:27] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: we are currently testing some stuff that will help people keep track of it better
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> nifty
[10:27] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: and also, you realise you can search by operator in the bt?
[10:27] <MenZa> on +b, ubottu should prompt user for a ban reason => simple!
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Yeah - I usually do that for my own, but I don't think everyone does.
[10:28] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: Honestly, many of the tools exist, but people dont know about them, dont use them or are just lazy
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: see above comment that I think some people may have bans who aren't even active, or cases like vox where someone random may place and ban and completely forget about it.
[10:29] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: Ive checked - there are only a few like that - at least in #ubuntu
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: agreed, but pinpointing that some people aren't taking care of their own doesn't make our massive banlist shorter - only actions do.
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Good to know.
[10:32] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: this is mostla a caser of people just not doing it. Now as I said, we are working on tools to make this easier - if you have time and coding ability we would love to have you contribute.
[10:32] <Flannel> jussi01: I do!
[10:33]  * Flannel has been meaning to get around to mentioning that since that email...
[10:33] <jussi01> Flannel: excellent! also, I notice you had a few bans the other day... have you cleaned up?
[10:33] <Flannel> I don't have any recent bans I don't think, but I'll be sure to take a look
[10:34] <bazhang> I've got two quiets, one of which I was advised to leave longer term; sniper_jesus ' one
[10:35] <Flannel> Wow, spaceghost is quite rude.
[10:53] <jussi01> Flannel: and anyone else interested, feel free to join #ubuntu-bots-devel
[11:59] <bazhang> eyes on hajuu in -ot
[12:14] <MenZa> he was in #u earlier as well
[12:14] <bazhang> muted now in PM
[12:15] <MenZa> muted?
[12:15] <bazhang> err quieted?
[12:21]  * MenZa tilts head
[12:21] <MenZa> i.e. /ignore -QUERY? :p
[12:23] <gord> "muted, now in pm" i guess
[12:24] <MenZa> interesting.
[12:46] <pleia2> jpds: will need to restart the ubot, I had to reboot the server this morning (sorry for not warning you)
[13:04] <jpds> pleia2: That's fine, hit it.
[13:11]  * jpds unconfuses himself.
[13:12] <jpds> pleia2: Should be coming back now.
[13:12] <pleia2> :)
[15:02] <MenZa> *sigh*
[15:10] <MenZa> hello, Hajuu.
[15:10] <Hajuu> Hi
[15:10] <bazhang> Hajuu, you were asked repeatedly to remain on topic and yet continued nonetheless
[15:10] <Hajuu> I wasnt the only one though.
[15:11] <Hajuu> I think you're being a bit short sighted ;)
[15:11] <Hajuu> I'm not some kind of.. irc martr
[15:11] <bazhang> you have a long history as well
[15:11] <Hajuu> Sure, of being banned for answering 'off topic' questions, as randomly deemed.
[15:11] <Hajuu> I dont see why in a general ubuntu channel
[15:11] <Hajuu> I cant discuss gaming on ubuntu
[15:11] <Hajuu> no less when literally probably 5 people were discussing it
[15:11] <bazhang> lesbians is not on topic
[15:11] <Hajuu> yet I was the only one silenced.
[15:12] <Hajuu> I posted that in offtopic ;)
[15:12] <Hajuu> also
[15:12] <Hajuu> I thought it was a genuine distribution and was having a 'wtf' moment
[15:12] <bazhang> you fooled with the bot in #ubuntu doing that
[15:12] <Hajuu> How's that?
[15:13] <Hajuu> Meh it really doesn't seem important anyway. You claim it was offtopic, I claim it was not. To me in either case, a few hours silenced is sufficient.
[15:13] <Hajuu> I can either help, or not.
[15:13] <MenZa> Hajuu: You're not in a position to put forth ultimatums.
[15:13] <Hajuu> Doesn't seem worthy of spending time discussing however.
[15:14] <MenZa> Noone's forcing you to stay.
[15:14] <Hajuu> *shrug* it makes no difference to me, like I say I wanted to be unsilenced from #ubuntu so I could help someone.
[15:14] <Hajuu> I'm not trying to be like that heh
[15:14] <bazhang> Hajuu, you are not interested in re-joining the channel (ie being unmuted)?
[15:15] <Hajuu> But surely over a disagreement of content matter, isn't worth me spending time actively trying to be unsilenced after hours. To me, the few hours silence is punishment enough.
[15:15] <Hajuu> I wasn't spamming or being a neusance
[15:15] <Hajuu> I was trying to assist someone.
[15:16] <MenZa> Hajuu: #ubuntu doesn't operate with a karma system. It's not like you help someone, and then you're allowed to break a rule or two.
[15:16] <Hajuu> Whether gaming in ubuntu is offtopic or not is the issue, and whether that warrents an ongoing silence or a few hours. That's your decision.
[15:16] <MenZa> Hajuu: You abide by the rules, or you don't.
[15:17] <Hajuu> *shrug* like I say, its a difference of opinion in my view.
[15:17] <Hajuu> I wasnt 'breaking the rules' I was discussing an ubuntu-related activity
[15:17] <MenZa> You're not in a position to argue your opinion.
[15:17] <Hajuu> in a general ubuntu chat room
[15:17] <Hajuu> ...
[15:17] <MenZa> #ubuntu is not general in any case.
[15:17] <Hajuu> Ok. Great.
[15:17] <Hajuu> Very diplomatic.
[15:17] <MenZa> It's a *support* forum.
[15:17] <Hajuu> "We're right. you cant disagree or else!"
[15:17] <Hajuu> Thanks.
[15:18] <MenZa> Hajuu: The IRC Council, who created these rules, were appointed by the community. The community set these rules.
[15:18] <MenZa> I also suggest you read the Code of Conduct and IrcGuidelines before you continue
[15:18] <MenZa> !coc | Hajuu
[15:18] <MenZa> !guidelines | Hajuu
[15:18] <MenZa> That should help you get started.
[15:18] <Hajuu> Id rather not waste any more time, thus why I was propositioning you, as you put it.
[15:18] <Hajuu> don't worry, I wont help in there, and im sure you wont care.
[15:18] <Hajuu> Good day.
[15:19] <MenZa> Some people...
[17:05] <nalioth> they are joining and being klined as they join
[17:05] <MenZa> :)
[19:03] <mneptok> Hajuu also seems to have been off-topic and decidedly unhelpful in -server, GWIW
[19:03] <mneptok> s/G/F/
[19:18] <ikonia> concur
[19:19]  * jussi01 bites ikonia
[19:19] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[19:19] <ikonia> sure sure
[19:30] <MenZa> mneptok: Indeed.
[19:30] <MenZa> mneptok: That's why I took the hard approach.
[19:30] <mneptok> MenZa: oh, did you ban/remove him from -server?
[19:30] <MenZa> No
[19:30] <MenZa> Just the above log
[19:32] <MenZa> mneptok: I have no authority in server. :)
[19:32] <MenZa> mneptok: To put it bluntly, I'm expecting him to continue where he left off in -ot, though.
[19:32] <ikonia> he's been quiet in server for a while now
[19:32] <MenZa> Oh.
[19:32] <MenZa> Speak of the devil.
[19:33] <MenZa> See -ot.
[19:34] <mneptok> no.
[19:34] <mneptok> i haven't seen -ot in months, and it's going to stay that way ;)
[19:34]  * jussi01 ban forwards mneptok to -ot :P
[19:35] <MenZa> mneptok: The moment I finished writing the above lines, I tabbed to /w 7
[19:35] <MenZa> [2009-10-21 18:31:43 UTC] < Hajuu> you become a lvl 9 asstaco.
[19:35] <MenZa> [2009-10-21 18:31:47 UTC] < Hajuu> How does that feel?
[19:36] <mneptok> +b
[19:36] <MenZa> removed for now.
[19:36] <ikonia> damn it
[19:36] <ikonia> no grunt in -server
[19:36] <ikonia> I thought I had that
[19:36] <MenZa> There we go, banned
[19:36] <mneptok> same here
[19:37] <ikonia> help in -server please
[19:37] <ikonia> Pici: jussi01 elky Pici
[19:37] <mneptok> !ops | Hajuu -server
[19:37] <ikonia> I'll check what happened to my rights in -server
[19:38] <ikonia> niko: big thanks
[19:39] <mneptok> niko: /k please?
[19:40]  * MenZa sighs.
[19:41] <ikonia> he's long gone
[19:41] <niko> sorry, he floods me a lot
[19:41] <niko> on pv
[19:44] <niko> do you want me to change the ban ?
[19:45] <niko> like Hajuu*!*@* perhaps ?
[19:45] <ikonia> you're call
[19:45] <ikonia> your
[19:55] <mneptok> Pici: ping
[20:15] <MenZa> niko: I just have *!*@hostmask in -ot.
[20:16] <MenZa> Hajuu*!*@* is just.. bad in some way :\
[20:16]  * MenZa dislikes nickbans - they're the last resort.
[20:25] <mneptok> *!*dfgt@*.dyn.iinet.net.au


[18:04] <edve> Quel est le meilleur firewall pour linux ? J'ai lu de iptable .. mais je trouve cette idée un peu archaïque ...
[18:17] <cyphermox> edve: dsl, j'avais pas vu ton message
[18:17] <cyphermox> sur Ubuntu on a ufw qui est une interface simple pour iptables
[18:17] <cyphermox> iptables reste tjrs la méthode au niveau kernel utilisée
[19:06] <Ankman> on ne besoin pas un firewall a linux. autre que on a des servers pour protecter
[19:11] <edve> justement il s'agit d'un serveur pour faire du VoIP
[19:14] <Ankman> quelle serveur?
[19:16] <edve> Ubuntu server 12.04.1 LTS ayant Asterisk comme PBX
[19:16] <edve> mais je veucx le sécuriser
[19:17] <edve> Alors iptables est la meilleure solution ?
[19:20] <cyphermox> Ankman: that's so wrong. why would Linux not need security?
[19:21] <cyphermox> if you have a machine that has port 22 open for whatever reason, you'll quickly see how fast people try to go access it and try to guess passwords
[19:21] <cyphermox> edve: oui. iptables est pas mal "LA" solution ;)
[19:23] <Ankman> cyphermox: what would you want to protect?
[19:24] <Ankman> windows is f****ed up by design with tons of open ports by default. because MS has no idea how to make a good basic setup they introducted the firewall. after the code red disaster
[19:24] <Ankman> linux does not have any open ports when you installed it. there is nothing you would need to protect
[19:25] <cyphermox> doesn't mean it's not a good idea to have a firewall and a virus scanner
[19:25] <cyphermox> or you should just give me your IP address :)
[19:26] <Ankman> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:26] <Ankman> no firewall. all what is open there is because i run servers
[19:30] <Ankman> computer there is online 24/7 and that since years. not being hacked so far. although probes run from china and elsewhere on every open port all the time
[19:30] <Ankman> while a "normal" linux user does not have servers, has different IPs every day. there's really nothing to protect
[20:14] <edve> iptable est assez fort , tellement qu'il m'a tout bloquer hahaha
[20:22] <cyphermox> edve: c'est pourquoi utiliser ufw, il te permet de faire les règles facilement et a un baseline correctement monté pour permettre ce que tu risque d'avoir besoin, comme le dhcp
[20:25] <YoBoY> +1 pour ufw il est très simple à prendre en main
[20:30] <Ankman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871177 to understand why you don't really need a firewall in linux (in windows you need though!). or why it's even worse if you have one than not having one
[20:46] <Ankman> the missconception is that people think you need a a firewall on linux because you need one on windows. that's just not true as there are no open ports.  worse: a firewall brings an additional code base. which can have bugs and then be exploited
[20:48] <Ankman> and a "stealth" user is telling a potential attacker that he is there! because the computer will not respond to probes, no return. but that "natural" behaviour is the send a reply that the port is closed. for exmaple if you go offline and some one probes your IP the gateway of your ISP will return "no open port". so it sends an answer
[20:59] <Ankman> then there are proof of concepts. a C program with source code that you can read and then compile yourself. all it will do when started is bypass any firewall. that includes iptables and the windows firewall. the program is harmless, just goes online without being stopped by a firewall and proofs it to you
[21:58] <cyphermox> Ankman: we'll just have to agree to disagree, no matter what ports you may think are closed, it's still good practice to keep a firewall up, no matter if it's linux or windows.
[21:59] <cyphermox> quoting ubuntuforums isn't exactly making a compelling case either
[22:57] <Ankman> cyphermox: sorry was offline. yes, ubuntuforums might not have been a good idea to quote
[22:58] <Ankman> still, no open ports -> nothing to protect. if you have a linux or unix admin at work or somewhere, ask him. he should confirm this
[23:02] <cyphermox> no
[23:02] <cyphermox> I'm a linux admin
[23:02] <cyphermox> I worked with Solaris for 3 years before that
[23:02] <cyphermox> I was a network admin
[23:02] <cyphermox> and the forum post proves you *should* keep a firewall nonetheless
[23:03] <cyphermox> the fact is, it doesn't give you a magic bullet to protect you from everything
[23:03] <cyphermox> but it helps a lot
[23:03] <cyphermox> you can never know what might come in
[23:03] <cyphermox> with a firewall, for example, you could block redifinitions of IPs via ARP
[23:04] <cyphermox> which is a great thing for laptops if you're moving around a lot and going to cafes, whatever, where the network is untrusted
[23:05] <cyphermox> furthermore, stateful engines in firewalls help protecting you from return traffic, etc.
[23:05] <cyphermox> conntrack is one of the kernel interfaces that does this kind of thing, provided a properly configured firewall
[23:10] <Ankman> yes, you can selectrivly block "bad ips". that i do when i notice they probe for php exploits on my web server. but just having a firewall doesn't help if you don't know what you do
[23:10] <cyphermox> right
[23:11] <cyphermox> we *do* have reasonable defaults in ubuntu with ufw which make things work pretty nicely
[23:11] <cyphermox> see /etc/ufw/before.rules
[23:11] <Ankman> hmm
[23:12] <cyphermox> which is the precise reason why I won't recommend to just use iptables, and instead recommend ufw, because it makes it easier to not block yourself out of everything, etc.
[23:12] <Ankman> well my server runs 24/7 since years, no firewall. i just block a few asian IP ranges notorious for probes. that's all
[23:12] <Ankman> never had problems
[23:12] <cyphermox> if that suits your need for security, that's fine
[23:12] <cyphermox> but what this means is that you're still vulnerable to more targetted attacks from people who know what they are doing
[23:13] <cyphermox> and it's a server, not a laptop, the environment is very different
[23:13] <cyphermox> fwiw, I seriously recommend putting a firewall on your laptop before going to UDS (or any other conference for that matter) ;)
[23:14] <Ankman> i'm often in open wlans with my netbook (debian testing) and there are no firewall rules at all
[23:14] <cyphermox> as with all things in computer security, it's a matter of managing risk
[23:14] <cyphermox> risk in a cafe is pretty low, it's a small network, few people usually, and you can see what they do ;)
[23:15] <cyphermox> at a conference, it's a whole other story, and there has been cases of targetted attacks in the past
[23:15] <cyphermox> it's pretty much the same idea as password complexity
[23:15] <cyphermox> if having a short, relatively simple password gives you the sufficient assurance that your data is safe, then it's all good
[23:16] <cyphermox> if however you carry more important things, trade secrets, whatnot, then you might want to invest the brain cycles in remembering more complex passwords, multiple different passwords, using full disk encryption, etc.
[23:16] <cyphermox> and even that is not a magic bullet, but I'm not too concerned with cold-boot attacks for the kind of stuff that I do
[23:17] <cyphermox> especially given that it's all totally public stuff in Ubuntu, I very rarely deal with secret things (and actively avoid doing so)
[23:18] <Ankman> if you are an intersting target (industry), then yes, you might want some extra security especially when having server running
[23:19] <cyphermox> there is that too
[23:19] <cyphermox> but that's still managing risk
[23:19] <cyphermox> low risk = low need for security
[23:19] <Ankman> but a normal user... i say you can install ubuntu or any other linux on a computer and expose it -as is - to the internet for years. nothing will happen to it
[23:19] <cyphermox> no
[23:19] <cyphermox> but then again, something could happen
[23:19] <cyphermox> you can't know
[23:20] <Ankman> as long as the tcp/ip stack is "healthy" linux itself should not be exploitable
[23:20] <cyphermox> there will always be bugs
[23:20] <Ankman> applications are. that's a different thing
[23:20] <cyphermox> but even simpler than that
[23:21] <cyphermox> people tend to enable things without thinking of the consequences
[23:21] <cyphermox> e.g. if I enable remote desktop
[23:21] <Ankman> no open ports: there is only the stack between linux and the internet. if this is okay, it shold be fine
[23:21] <Ankman> yes, that's a different thing
[23:21] <cyphermox> then I suddently have port 9100 open ;)
[23:21] <cyphermox> on a desktop/laptop, it's bound to happen
[23:22] <cyphermox> on a server, much less, but if it's not a company system there is also a high probability that people will install something to try it out and forget about it, leaving a hole
[23:23] <cyphermox> you can't just think of open ports when thinking about network security
[23:24] <cyphermox> there's also how the kernel handles icmp packets, any specially crafted protocol packets that it might want to listen to, multicast, etc.
[23:25] <cyphermox> it's very very true that those are much less often used as attack vectors because let's face it -- people on the internet don't usually look for something to attack knowing what they're doing -- they're trying to find easily exploitable systems, mostly windows boxes with udp 139 or whatever open
[23:25] <Ankman> if a "naked" linux is vulnerable to a "bad" packet then linux is broken
[23:25] <cyphermox> but they are still there and explotable
[23:25] <cyphermox> are you surprised?
[23:25] <cyphermox> there will always be bugs
[23:25] <Ankman> and they need to get fixed
[23:26] <cyphermox> yes
[23:27] <cyphermox> they will get fixed
[23:27] <cyphermox> for instance; this is an old one: https://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?storyid=6820
[23:27] <cyphermox> or, way more recent: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1529-1/
[23:30] <Ankman> latter seems to be a local user exploit
[23:32] <cyphermox> it serves to indicate that exploits in the network stack exist
[23:32] <Ankman> ok
[23:33] <cyphermox> of course at that point you might ask the usefulness of the firewall to protect against an exploit on the kernel it's being run on
[23:33] <cyphermox> then I'd answer, it depends, I don't know exactly in what order things are being done to process packets in the firewall, I suspect the answer is "it depends on the type of packet/exploit"
[23:34] <Ankman> probably
[23:35]  * cyphermox is not a kernel dev
[23:36] <Ankman> am no dev at all
[23:40] <Ankman> booting haiku on VM :-)


[06:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:09] <Paris> ahoy
[07:09] <Paris> happy santa day
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> Merry xmas to all Ubuntu users/friends/lovers/devs
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> same to you Paris
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> and all other distro lovers too : )
[07:43] <linux4ever> hello
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> welcome linux4ever
[07:44] <linux4ever> hey lotuspsychje
[07:51] <linux4ever> i use vscode for programming and stuff. never thoguht i'd run ms code on linux :P
[07:51] <linux4ever> it's not entirely open source. some bits are said to be closed source
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> there's a lot of ways you can go on linux these days
[07:53] <linux4ever> ubuntu was my learner distro and i appreicate that. made things easy for me when they had to be
[07:53] <linux4ever> i usse debian these days
[07:54] <linux4ever> but debian requires a bit of configuring to get running as you like it
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> debian is stable vanilla base
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu more a ready to use for everyone distro
[07:56] <linux4ever> yep
[07:56] <linux4ever> i will have to go to store soon. i use the gpt sous chef plugin for recipes
[07:57] <linux4ever> helps me select healthy foode
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> have fun
[07:59] <linux4ever> thx :)
[22:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue819 now available to our reading poublic: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-819/41115 :D


[00:13] <CyborgCygnus> How would I fix Light Locker? I had trouble with it locking during media playback in the alpha & beta's so I did a complete reinstall once the stable official release came out, I still get the same problem. It will lock the pc during media playback & keep playing it, despite my settings to not do so.
[00:18] <abitz> CyborgCygnus: what settings?
[00:21] <CyborgCygnus> abitz, Just wondering if it's possible to make light-locker do what it's supposed to in 14.04. There isn't other settings in xubuntu that would prevent the pc from locking while playing back media? Would I need to perhaps run the software/apps with gksudo to allow it to prevent the screen saver & sleep mode?
[01:01] <cyborgcygnus> xscreensaver seems to lock my pc when media is still playing as well, surely there must be another setting somewhere outside of any screensaver to prevent locking, sleep, turning off the monitor when I'm watching a movie
[01:01] <Kekai> yes
[01:01] <Kekai> under your battery settings
[01:01] <Kekai> change your monitor to never
[01:01] <Kekai> or what ever time you want
[03:55] <kdeder> I tried xubuntu 14.04 on live usb but there's no gnome disk manager anywhere in the menu?  Why?!?
[03:56] <cfhowlett> kdeder because xubuntu doesn't USE gnome disk manager??
[03:58] <kdeder> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7966
[03:59] <kdeder> no one can find it... it's only in gnome and unity
[03:59] <cfhowlett> kdeder and xubuntu uses NEITHER of those ...
[04:01] <kdeder> http://askubuntu.com/questions/207943/xubuntu-disks-utility-palimpsest-and-gparted-not-showing-up-anywhere-after-in
[04:01] <kdeder> I had to run gparted from terminal since it is nowhere to be found
[04:02] <kdeder> I use  gnome ubuntu 14.04 and kde in debian... I'll stick with those... xubuntu is too annoying...
[04:02] <kdeder> I had it on live usb stick to help someone with a partition problem... and it was annoying to use
[04:03] <kdeder> essential program and not in the menu
[04:14] <holstein> kdeder: its all linux, friend.. if youd like, you can add whatever you want to any menu
[04:14] <holstein> https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[04:27] <dieselbuntu> Hey all.  Anyone here running 14.04 with nvidia + dual monitors ?? ^ ^
[04:27] <holstein> yes
[04:27] <holstein> open driver now.. in 14.04.. works "out of the box" without hassle :)
[04:28] <dieselbuntu> did it work out of the box for you or did yo have to..
[04:28] <dieselbuntu> ahh kk =]
[04:28] <dieselbuntu> buenos
[04:28] <holstein> i have had to in the past
[04:29] <dieselbuntu> 1 last Q ..is this the noueveu or  nvidia-(open)
[04:30] <dieselbuntu> binary
[04:30] <holstein> dieselbuntu: just the noueveu included driver
[04:30] <holstein> dieselbuntu: i didnt add anything..
[04:31] <dieselbuntu> beautiful =]   okay, here goes nothin'  -.0
[04:31] <dieselbuntu> Thanks holstein
[05:25] <dieselbuntu> Hi.  Anyone here figure out xubuntu with nvidia binaries and dual monitors yet?
[05:27] <dieselbuntu> re: 2nd screen viewport being smaller than actual resolution
[05:52] <dieselbuntu> ubewmtu!  everytime you update, your system goes.. BEWMMMMMMmmmmm =] heeeheehe
[08:32] <Dubbioso> Buongiorno
[08:32] <Dubbioso> Sono nuovo chi mi può aiutare per favore?
[08:33] <Dubbioso> Help
[08:33] <Dubbioso> C'è qualcuno?
[08:35] <brainwash> !it
[09:57] <xubuntu584> hy
[10:11] <gry> hi
[10:20] <__0000> hello
[10:55] <ronaldsmazitis> ailed to execute default Terminal Emulator.
[10:55] <ronaldsmazitis> F
[10:55] <ronaldsmazitis> how do I create bash line to open nano in terminal emulator
[11:15] <gry> With oxygen theme installed, xfce theme scollbars have mess with scrollbars arrows. The packages conflict.
[11:16] <gry> There is also a problem, which I didn't yet identify the cause of -- the Xfce-* themes all have garbage with evince (a gtk3 app I think?). "FileEditViewGo" menuitems lack spacing as do many other things.
[11:17] <gry> Please help me to properly report or solve both these issues.
[11:21] <xubuntu152> hi is there a linux version or an HP ipaq RX3715?
[11:29] <brainwash> gry: the Xfce-* themes don't support recent gtk3 versions I'd assume
[11:30] <gry> ok, can you tell me again which themes 14.04 is shipped with please? it would be nice for me to nuke the broken lot
[11:30] <brainwash> the themes provided by the packages "shimmer-themes" should all work and look nice
[11:30] <brainwash> greybird is one of them
[11:30] <gry> why the broken themes are in the repos is a question too - people install them and see an unusable app, not only ugly
[11:31] <gry> ok
[11:31] <brainwash> well, these Xfce themes are provided by the Xfce project I think
[11:31] <brainwash> so they are packaged and shipped by xubuntu automatically
[11:32] <gry> they don't ship distros, they probably don't need to make things consistent with "recent gtk3 versions"
[11:32] <gry> but I'm not sure
[11:32] <brainwash> right
[11:32] <gry> so I'd probably nuke broken themes from the repos at the moment
[11:32] <brainwash> feel free to do so
[11:32] <gry> and tell them about the issues
[11:33] <brainwash> but it's not a big deal after all :)
[11:34] <gry> it's something I can identify and resolve - it is quite broken atm
[11:34] <brainwash> it's a common problem with gtk3 themes
[11:35] <brainwash> they need to be kept up-to-date, every new release of gtk3 breaks or changes something
[11:40] <gry> ah
[11:48] <gry> Shimmer is such a wonderful project.
[12:37] <chtiboss> hi
[12:37] <chtiboss> i cqnnot put qn qwerty keybord in Xubuntu 14
[12:38] <chtiboss> cannot put keybaord in azerty
[13:00] <freezed> Hello everybody, just installed xubuntu 14.04 and wonder how to change the resolution. Any idea ?
[13:01] <freezed> I have got only 1 choice : 1280x1024 at 77Hz
[13:01] <freezed> With last version of xubuntu (12.04) I can get 1900x1200
[13:04] <freezed> I tried to enable nvidia_304 driver, but nothing
[13:05] <freezed> Rebooting and come back
[13:15] <gry> I've purged a lot of themes and it is a lot easier now - none of the broken ones are a part of xubuntu-desktop so I'm not complaining
[13:16] <gry> now I'm looking at 'bum' and it has a load of entries on things that are not even installed -- not sure how to give it a kick to only list things that have a proper name and are installed
[13:49] <cfhowlett> !info bum
[15:49] <xubuntu646> is it ok to chat in the channel or is this for support only?
[15:50] <deshipu> !ot | xubuntu646
[15:50] <xubuntu646> thanks
[16:23] <BBLLCC> hi, can you help me with openvbe?
[16:23] <Guest3557> привет
[16:24] <knome> !ru | Guest3557
[16:31] <flux242> knome: how do you know it's russian?
[16:31] <Aritheanie> it came up as Cyrillic
[16:32] <knome> flux242, educated guess.
[16:32] <flux242> Aritheanie: do you have any idea how many countries are using Cyrillic?
[16:32] <Aritheanie> quite a few. And most of them as a consequence also have Russian commonly spoken, IIRC...
[16:32] <knome> flux242, if it's wrong, the user will tell us. unless you have a support question, let's move on
[16:33] <flux242> Aritheanie: does mongolish sound like russian to you?
[16:34] <knome> flux242, please stop insisting. no offense was ever meant, and you're not helping the cause by whining
[16:35] <flux242> knome: relax, use this possibility to learn something new
[16:36] <bazhang> !ot | flux242
[16:37] <flux242> there's nothing happening on the channel anyway
[16:38] <bazhang> that does not make this the chat channel
[16:46] <Aritheanie> I'm not sure why we're even arguing this again?
[16:46] <Aritheanie> anyway, back on topic, even if nothing is happening at the moment.
[18:24] <xubuntu250> I was installing the latest update for 13.10 when my laptop froze up. I restarted it and now I get a message that says: Fatal error: token too large, exceeds YYLMAX. I can't get a terminal to come up and I can't get to anything else for that matter. Is there a way of fixing this without having to do a fresh install of the OS? Thanks.
[18:27] <paolo> you could try start a live cd, mount your disk partition/s and look at the log files for more info
[18:27] <paolo> just an idea..
[18:29] <xubuntu250> I'm not sure how to do that. I'm pretty much a novice at this stuff.
[18:30] <xubuntu250> How do I do that when I can't get anything to boot?
[18:30] <paolo> you should set your bios to boot from cd/dvd, then put the live cd into and go
[18:30] <Unit193> You can also try to edit the grub command line and boot directly to a TTY, and get more logging output too.
[18:30] <paolo> xubuntu should mount automatically your disk partitions (not sure though)
[18:31] <xubuntu250> I can't get to the bios. that's part of the problem.
[18:31] <paolo> logs are placed in /var/log
[18:31] <Unit193> paolo: Meant while it's booting to see where it's wedged.
[18:31] <xubuntu250> No bios access and can't get to grub command line.
[18:34] <paolo> xubuntu250, if you have a 2nd disk install xubuntu and boot from there, then mount the disk containing the broken os and you should be able to access to the logs
[18:35] <paolo> btw, i wonder why you can't access to the bios
[18:39] <xubuntu250> I've been wondering about that myself. Unfortunately  have second disk to use.
[18:41] <milan> hello
[18:48] <xubuntu250> I don't have a copy of the OS other than the one I have running on my laptop. No CD or USB versions.
[18:50] <paolo> xubuntu250: you don't strictly need another copy, it's enough if you have a 2nd computer/laptop, attach the broken os there and run the live cd
[18:53] <xubuntu250> I don't have another laptop available. I'm currently chatting to you from my phone.
[18:56] <paolo> i'm short of ideas, ask a friend for the laptop ;)
[18:57] <xubuntu250> I see. Ok, thanks for trying.
[18:59] <paolo> it sounds weird such a bad breakage due to installing the latest updates
[18:59] <paolo> i'm more inclined to think of hardware issues
[22:09] <wishart> Hello folks
[22:10] <wishart> A couple of recent software updates for xubuntu involved having to reboot. Is this normal?  Was the kernel being updated?
[22:11] <FernandoBasso> Hey folks. I installed xubuntu-desktop on my wife's "ubuntu" machine. How to remove the "global menu" (or whatever it is called) from xfce4-panel?
[22:17] <wishart> No one seems to know the answer to our questions. Same as before. Waste of time coming in here.
[22:17] <Unit193> FernandoBasso: indicator-appmenu, I think it was?
[22:18] <Alex_______> Hello!
[22:19] <FernandoBasso> Unit193: Also, I would like to know how to completely uninstall ubuntu-desktop.
[22:20] <FernandoBasso> I use arch, and it is so damn clean and easy to try other window managers and desktop environments.
[22:20] <Unit193> There used to be a way to do that, but it's not updated now.
[22:20] <FernandoBasso> xfce runs amazingly here.
[22:20] <Unit193> !purexfce
[22:21] <FernandoBasso> Wow! That is cool! Thanks.
[22:21] <Unit193> But, it hasn't been updated recently at all. :/
[22:21] <Alex_______> guys.. I just installed xubuntu on an intel nuc ... I removed some software I don;t need like documents viewer and music apps... now the desktop it's empty and nothing get's loaded:(
[22:33] <FernandoBasso> Unit193: Yeah, I can't event get to a display manager anymore.
[22:34] <Unit193> Install xubuntu-desktop again, or just pull in lightdm-gtk-greeter (which will pull in lightdm if it's missing.)
[22:37] <FernandoBasso> I did, but when the display manager should show up, the monitor just turns off. I can only get to a tty. :D
[22:38] <Alex_______> so no one has a clue how to fix the xubuntu desktop not showing anything on it?
[22:41] <climbNmaintain> What do you mean by not showing anything on it?
[22:43] <Alex_______> i uninstalled some programs ... games and media and the desktop it's empty just the wallpaper:)
[22:43] <Alex_______> i can ALT+F2 on it and it brings the application finder
[22:46] <climbNmaintain> Sounds like you need to re install XFCE perhaps?
[22:47] <climbNmaintain> Can you get to a CLI?
[22:48] <Alex_______> yes
[22:52] <climbNmaintain> aptitude install xfce4
[22:53] <climbNmaintain> this actually might be a better option: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:54] <climbNmaintain> I was actually hoping if anyone was available to help me out with a little problem of my own. Any takers?
[22:54] <Alex_______> ah great the first one worked:)
[22:55] <climbNmaintain> good deal.. np
[23:08] <knome> climbNmaintain, you should just ask
[23:10] <climbNmaintain> lol, right then, running 14.04LTS. I have several external HDDs hooked up to the box and I rebooted for updates a few hours ago and now none of them will mount.
[23:11] <climbNmaintain> Tried editing the fstab and I can paste the output of that here if that would help any.
[23:13] <knome> you can use a pastebin;
[23:13] <knome> !pastebin
[23:14] <climbNmaintain> right, coming right up
[23:20] <climbNmaintain> The fstab file: paste.ubuntu.com/7615397/
[23:20] <climbNmaintain> And the error I'm getting when trying to mount a HDD: paste.ubuntu.com/7615389/
[23:23] <knome> have you tried booting with an older kernel (from before the upgrade)?
[23:25] <climbNmaintain> It was not an upgrade, I made a clean install of Xubuntu 14.04
[23:25] <climbNmaintain> But no, I have not tried anything like that.
[23:28] <knome> right, sorry, i somehow thought it was an upgrade...
[23:28] <knome> i looked around a bit, and it looks like kernel stuff
[23:28] <knome> well, potentially..
[23:28] <climbNmaintain> from the little I read from doing google-fu, the "bad block blah blah blah" part of the error might suggest the drive is dead? but it happens to all 4 drives so...yeah
[23:28] <Unit193> Hrm, thought there was a thunar-volman thing.
[23:30] <Unit193> I suppose the UUIDs are correct as well?
[23:33] <climbNmaintain> UUIDs were pasted from sudo blkid
[23:36] <climbNmaintain> They worked on ubuntu 14.04 but vanilla was too intense for this box which is getting up there so I decided to go with Xubuntu over opensuse up until now.... lol
[23:40] <climbNmaintain> Is it hopeless you think?
[23:41] <Unit193> Have you tried manually mounting?
[23:43] <xubuntu419> hello can some one help me figure out how to install this program
[23:48] <xubuntu419> does any one know how to install xubuntu
[23:48] <Unit193> Use the installer?
[23:49] <xubuntu419> Ok ill play what installer
[23:49] <xubuntu419> all you get is a iso cthat cant be opened
[23:50] <Unit193> You use burning software to "extract" that to a CD, DVD, or flash drive.
[23:51] <Unit193> !burn
[23:52] <xubuntu419> cant to a cd its to big dont have a flash drive or DVD-r's
[23:53] <xubuntu419> an exteral hard drive can i use that
[23:57] <climbNmaintain> Unit193: I have tried mounting using disks and that is a no go...