[00:00] <Roey> okay, I put that statement in
[00:00] <Roey> (i.e. changed the /boot line in /etc/fstab)
[00:00] <Roey> upgrade-from-grub-lgacy still fails, though
[00:01] <kb9vqf_> Roey: Sorry , at this point I'm out of ideas
[00:01] <Roey> ha!
[00:01] <Roey> it's alright.
[00:01] <Roey> God hates me.
[00:01] <Roey> no system upgrade ever works for me.
[00:01] <Roey> .;)
[00:01] <ncfi1013_> hi
[00:01] <Roey> thanks so much though, kb
[00:01] <FloodBotK1> Roey: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:01] <ncfi1013_> i just installed the new version of firefox and i cant get any torrents to open in ktorrent when i click on a torrent link. ive already checked to see if it is already set up to do that and it is. is there something im missing? is the new firefox in its beta? got any tips, suggestions, pointers?
[00:02] <kb9vqf_> GRUB is an odd beast, GRUB with RAID triply so! :)
[00:03] <Roey> oh man
[00:03] <Roey> hmm.
[00:03] <Roey> I'l try re-install grub?
[00:04] <Roey> root@ubuntu:/# ls /dev/
[00:04] <Roey> null
[00:04] <Roey> what's with that, kb9vqf_?
[00:04] <Roey> this coming from inside the chroot
[00:08] <Roey> kb9vqf_: I issued mount --bind /dev /tmp/dev, then going back into chroot and issuing /usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy and it still fails
[00:15] <Roey> hey narke
[00:15] <Roey> anyone here good with grub?
[00:23] <Byron> !grub | Roey
[00:23] <Roey> thanks
[00:27] <ncfi1013_> i just installed the new version of firefox and i cant get any torrents to open in ktorrent when i click on a torrent link. ive already checked to see if it is already set up to do that and it is. is there something im missing? is the new firefox in its beta? got any tips, suggestions, pointers?
[00:29] <rasstar> how can i get firefox on kubuntu? is it a simpel install?
[00:30] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[00:30] <tweek> rasstar: in the cl type sudo apt-get install firefox
[00:31] <rasstar> it's not in the software center?
[00:31] <tweek> ok type sudo apt-get update
[00:31] <tweek> then try again :)
[00:32] <rasstar> i was trying to install 9.10 released yesterday but keep getting an error
[00:32] <rasstar> i think the kde desktop is so much better
[00:32] <rasstar> compared to ubuntu
[00:32] <tweek> lol
[00:32] <tweek> yeah
[00:33] <CPrgmSwR2> I am just surprised that gnome is still more popular
[00:33] <rasstar> i was wondering the same thing
[00:33] <CPrgmSwR2> I am just pissed off my sound doesn't work in 9.10 :(
[00:33] <rasstar> when i installed ubuntu the first thing i thought is how can i get this thing to look better
[00:33] <palin_linux> nickserv
[00:34] <rasstar> kubuntu looks fine to me
[00:38] <Roey> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[00:38] <Roey> kubuntu has a way of reducing me to a groveling idiot when it comes to upgrading it.
[00:50] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[00:54] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[01:05] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[01:05] <Roey> oh
[01:05] <Roey> just type aoss followed by th ecommand
[01:05] <tweek> what command?
[01:06] <tweek> like i cant get sound to work in teamspeak and i read that it needs to be ran as aoss
[01:06] <Roey> aoss launcher
[01:06] <Roey> wher 'launcher' your lteamspeak launch command
[01:06] <tweek> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[01:06] <tweek> /usr/lib/teamspeak-client/teamspeak.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/teamspeak-client/teamspeak.real: undefined symbol: initPAnsiStrings
[01:10] <Roey> KB1JWQ: hi
[01:10] <Roey> er, you're not th same kb as before...
[01:10] <Roey> kb9vqf
[01:10] <tweek> Roey: ^^?
[01:20] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[01:28] <Ev0luti0n_> OMAGAD
[01:28] <Ev0luti0n_> THE DAY IS ALMOST HERE
[01:28] <Ev0luti0n_> BEHOLD
[01:31]  * nameiner is away: Gone away for now
[01:38] <tweek> what day?
[01:38] <kubuntuser> !aptfix
[01:38] <tweek> Ev0luti0n_: what day?
[01:44] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[01:45] <Deihmos> how can i get firefox on kubuntu
[01:47] <usuario_> ñ
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> Deihmos- you can install it the same way as any other software
[01:48] <Deihmos> go to firefox website and download?"
[01:48] <tweek> hey does anyone know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[01:48] <tweek> deihmos
[01:48] <tweek> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> Deihmos- no, through the package manager
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> Deihmos- open up KPackageKit and search for firefox
[01:48] <tweek> or just type what i said in the cl
[01:49] <Dragnslcr> If you want 3.0, the package name is firefox, and if you want 3.5, the package name is firefox-3.5
[01:49] <Deihmos> got it
[01:49] <Deihmos> some of these thing say gnome. does it matter?
[01:49] <tweek> yes
[01:49] <tweek> you want kde
[01:49] <Dragnslcr> Nope. Firefox uses a lot of GTK libraries
[01:49] <tweek> gnome is ubuntu kde is kubuntu
[01:50] <tweek> rly? =\
[01:50] <kubuntuser> tweek: yep
[01:50] <tweek> alright lol
[01:50] <tweek> well can anyone help me with teamspeak? lol
[01:50] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: it is suggested that you use kde software. However, gnome software will work fine.
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> There's been some work done on a Qt version of Firefox, but I don't think it's really usable
[01:50] <kubuntuser> tweek: I installed teamspeak a while ago
[01:51] <kubuntuser> tweek: I may be able to help, what is the problem?
[01:51] <tweek> do you know how to add aoss to the launcher link of teamspeak?
[01:51] <tweek> i cant get sound to work... lol
[01:51] <kubuntuser> lol
[01:51] <Deihmos> how do you uninstall stuff
[01:51] <kubuntuser> no idea. It just worked for me
[01:51] <tweek> =\
[01:51] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: kpackagekit
[01:52] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: K Menu -> applications -> system -> software management
[01:53] <Deihmos> i see that but don't see a list of installed stuff
[01:53] <Deihmos> i like the search feature in this. didn't see that in ubuntu
[01:53] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: installed packages is probably a filter
[01:54] <Deihmos> no filters are on
[01:54] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: Do you see the Filters button on the same line as the search?
[01:54] <kubuntuser> wait... I may be using a newer version.
[01:55] <Ev0luti0n_> [01:38] <tweek> what day?
[01:55] <Ev0luti0n_> the day of the final version
[01:55] <Ev0luti0n_> the 9.10
[01:55] <Ev0luti0n_> aweeeeeeeeeeee
[01:55] <Ev0luti0n_> :D
[01:55] <FloodBotK1> Ev0luti0n_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:55] <Deihmos> nothign shows up no matter what
[01:57] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: did you try a search with the filter?
[01:58] <Deihmos> i have to search for install programs?
[01:59] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: I do not know how to do it any other way in the gui. I tend to shy away from most of these programs.
[01:59] <Deihmos> ok i have to search for install programs. a bit strange
[02:05] <Deihmos> kubuntu has a bad software center compared to ubuntu
[02:05] <Deihmos> expected them to be the same
[02:07] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: they used to be about the same.,,
[02:07] <kubuntuser> then we got a new program :-\
[02:07] <Deihmos> what happened
[02:07] <Deihmos> the software manager is really bad
[02:07] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: they apparently thought this was better...
[02:08] <kubuntuser> Deihmos: I think the old one is still available
[02:08] <kubuntuser> install "adept"
[02:19] <EDinNY> Print Problem -- Odd.  My printer cable was unplugged, so nothing I printed actually got printed.  Now the printer is back online, but the "enable" box in the printer configuration tool on that printer's page is still grayed out.  I tried sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart, but that did not seem to affect it.  Any ideas?
[02:21] <EDinNY> If I search for network printers it DOES find the Lexmark network printer at the correct IP address, and it still prints from my XP machine.
[02:22] <EDinNY> Trying not to have to delete the printer and re-create it, but I guess that is the next step.  Good thing this has gotten easier over the last decade!
[02:26] <krkelly> can anyone help me remote into my buddy's desktop?
[02:26] <krkelly> #ubuntu
[02:29] <krkelly> can anyone help me remote into my buddy's desktop?
[02:33] <Deihmos> i am unable to enable the nvidia drivers in kubuntu
[02:33] <Deihmos> click enabled and nothing happens
[02:37] <Byron> How do I restore my video?
[03:05] <gorgonzola> i was wodering, when can we expect the network manager plasma widget to be reinstated?
[03:06] <gorgonzola> ie, what has to happen to see it back, is it a kubuntu thing, or upstream?
[03:13] <wt> anyone know why my update notifications are gone since upgrading to karmic?
[03:13] <wt> I'm just wondering if it's a known issue or a common problem.
[03:16] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:16] <wt> awesome! ;)
[03:19] <wt> anyone know why my update notifications are gone since upgrading to karmic?
[03:19] <wt> I'm just wondering if it's a known issue or a common problem.
[04:51] <tje> I'm trying to install KAudioCreator, but apt-cache doesn't seem to have it.   I've got universe and multiverse repos in my sources.list.  Can anyone tell me what I'm missing?
[04:51] <tje> i.e., what the package name is for KAudioCreator
[04:51] <morecrow> not sold on Quassel, its not very (or not very obviously) configurable
[04:56] <tje> From what I've been able to find on Google, it seems to be replaced by something called Audex.  Can someone confirm this?
[05:00] <wiredmind> Hello
[05:00] <wiredmind> have a question about Gwenview
[05:00] <wiredmind> it states that Browsing by tag is not available
[05:01] <wiredmind> asking to check if Nepomuk is properly installed
[05:01] <wiredmind> I've installed libnepomuk and dependencies but still not browsing by tag
[05:01] <wiredmind> anyone have any idea how to bite this one?
[05:02] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[05:13] <rafael> ola mi fetos
[06:33] <kb9vqf> Who is handling the release announcement this time around?
[06:37] <kb9vqf> Does anyone know who is handling the release announcement this time around?
[06:37]  * kb9vqf would like the KDE3 release mentioned as well ;)
[06:40] <Leon> ki
[06:40] <firgo> hi
[06:41] <firgo> any body home
[07:02] <sunil_> hi
[07:02] <sunil_> i have problem with my sound recording
[07:02] <sunil_> any one there
[07:02] <sunil_> helo
[07:02] <sunil_> who is there
[07:03] <sunil_> flood bot
[07:03] <sunil_> is there some one
[07:21] <naught101> sunil_: read the topic, then ask your question. If you PM people without permission you're likely to get kciked.
[07:21] <ayram> someone have a Ubuntu's channel???
[07:21] <naught101> #ubuntu
[07:22] <ayram> tank you
[07:22] <ayram> :D
[07:26] <TheKro> how do I find out what the proxy settings are for an application I launch from the menu (adobe air claims it uses the "current desktop environment's proxy settings"...)
[07:27] <TheKro> KDE 4.2.4
[07:27] <sunil_> go to tools
[07:27] <sunil_> option
[07:27] <Mamarok> TheKro: well, check the systemsettings, but since you use external software
[07:28] <sunil_> open firefox
[07:28] <sunil_> edit -> preference
[07:29] <TheKro> Mamarok: in system settings, I have "connect to internet directly". am sitting on adsl.  in firefox "no proxy"
[07:29] <sunil_> inside that go to advance
[07:29] <sunil_> in tht netword
[07:29] <Mamarok> well, as I said, you use external proprietary software, I really don't know, might be a problem with that
[07:30] <Mamarok> sunil_: could you make tis on one line, please?
[07:30] <Mamarok> this*
[07:30] <TheKro> but http_proxy is set in .bashrc
[07:30] <TheKro> are apps from the menu executed from bash?
[07:30] <sunil_> edit->preference inside that ->advance network tab
[07:30] <TheKro> Mamarok: it works fine from behind the proxy at work.
[07:31] <Mamarok> that is very strange, the proxy settings are in the systemsettings -> Network, not in .bashrc
[07:31] <sunil_> then go to setting
[07:31] <sunil_> and check the proxy
[07:31] <Mamarok> TheKro: and at work you use Kubuntu?
[07:31] <TheKro> Mamarok: at work i use the same machine, also kubuntu
[07:31] <Mamarok> sunil_: please, read what I just told you
[07:32] <TheKro> i'm trying to find out what the "environment settings" are adobe air is receiving, so i can determine if the error is in adobe air, or my proxy config
[07:32] <sunil_> even i am using kubuntu
[07:33] <Mamarok> TheKro: well, the proxy is a network setting, so you will need to check that
[07:33] <TheKro> alternatively - is there a way to find out what command is run when one clicks on an icon in the menu
[07:34] <Mamarok> TheKro: yes, if you start the application from a konsole in debug mode, it will have a konsole output
[07:35] <TheKro> Mamarok: the app works fine if I run it from konsole after running "http_proxy="
[07:35] <TheKro> but i'm trying to find out how launching works _from the menu_
[07:36] <dustin> anyone else have amarok sound issues>
[07:36] <Mamarok> TheKro: well, again, Adobe Air is a) external and not from our repositories and b) proprietary. Are you sure you really need that? I thi nk there are enough free alternatives for Ajax around
[07:37] <Mamarok> dustin: please be more specific, which KDE version, Amarok version, Phonon settings
[07:38] <TheKro> Mamarok: I'm looking for a twitter client that supports (a) multiple accounts; and (b) facebook integration.  suggestions?
[07:38] <dustin> kubuntu 9.04..so kde 4.2.2 amarok 4.2.2
[07:38] <Mamarok> TheKro: Choqok
[07:38] <Mamarok> no, Amarok has certainyl not that version, please check in the Amarok help section
[07:39] <Mamarok> dustin: I bet you have Amarok 2.0.2, you should activate the jaunty-backports repository and get Amarok 2.1.1
[07:39] <dustin> I have 4.2.2
[07:40] <Mamarok> dustin: also, in the system settings -> Multimedia, you should have the phonon backend xine enabled and you need the libxine1-ffmpeg package for mp3 support
[07:40] <Mamarok> dustin: that is the KDE version, the Amarok version is 2.0.2 in Jaunty by default
[07:40] <dustin> ahh
[07:41] <TheKro> Mamarok: will check it out
[07:41] <dustin> THanks Mamarok
[07:42] <Mamarok> dustin: you are welcome :)
[07:43] <TheKro> Mamarok: doesn't seem to support facebook
[07:43] <TheKro> (and still in alpha)
[07:43] <Mamarok> TheKro: which KDE version do you have?
[07:44] <TheKro> 4.2.4
[07:44] <Mamarok> Choqok is not alpha anymoe since quite some time :)
[07:44] <Mamarok> +r
[07:44] <TheKro> ah, i presume it won't be installing the latest version by default
[07:44] <TheKro> sorry
[07:45] <Mamarok> TheKro: you might consider an upgrade to KDE 4.3.2 (see /topic), or to Karmic that will be out at the end of the week :)
[07:45] <TheKro> yes - i will be upgrading soon
[07:45] <TheKro> but I upgrade as the updates come through
[07:45] <Mamarok> current KDE is 4.3.2, and Choqok is 0.6.6 currently
[07:46] <TheKro> since this is my work computer, i don't install versions beyond the recommended ones
[07:46] <Mamarok> TheKro: don't worry, you will have Karmic available from Thursday on :)
[07:47] <TheKro> Mamarok: but is there not an easy way to see the command associated with a menu item?
[07:47] <Mamarok> TheKro: "recommended" is not necessarily the default one, Jaunty is already 6 months old, and KDE 4.2.2 is outdated
[07:47] <TheKro> ok, i stick with the defaults, then
[07:47] <Mamarok> TheKro: oh, a menu item in KDE you mean? Of course there is, right click on the menu button, edit menu
[07:48] <TheKro> AH!!!
[07:48] <TheKro> that's what i was trying to find
[07:48] <TheKro> thanks
[07:48] <Mamarok> you are welcome :)
[07:49] <TheKro> thanks - the followup question is what environment variables are set before the command is executed
[07:53] <TheKro> for example, if I write an app that would get launched from the menu, could I reasonably assume $USER was populated?
[07:54] <Mamarok> TheKro: sorry, I don't get that, populated?
[07:55] <Mamarok> doesn't make much sense to me
[07:56] <TheKro> Mamarok: e.g. if my application be able to use the $USER environment variable, would it be an empty string, or the user's name
[07:56] <TheKro> s/be able/were
[07:58] <Mamarok> TheKro: that's not a question I can answer, you might want to check that with a developer. It's up to you to decide which variables your application will use normaly, so I guess it depends on what you write in your code
[07:58] <martinjh99> How do I mount a Samba share?
[07:59] <jussi01> TheKro: if an app is launched from the kmenu, my understanding is that it is launched by the user, therefore in normal user environment.
[07:59] <Mamarok> of course
[07:59] <martinjh99> mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/data tmp/ is giving me an error -22 in the logs
[07:59] <martinjh99> running Kubuntu 9.10RC
[08:00] <Mamarok> martinjh99: please ask in #ubuntu+1, see the topic
[08:00] <martinjh99> Sorry! :)
[08:02] <TheKro> jussi01: but what is "normal" - i can have environment variables set differently in different terminals of Konsole.  so what is the "default".
[08:02] <Mamarok> TheKro: well, then you launch it from that terminal to have that particular env variables
[08:03] <Mamarok> default is .bashrc
[08:05] <Mamarok> TheKro: for GUI apps you usally set the variables in ~/.kde/env/myenv.sh
[08:06] <TheKro> Mamarok: that's the default for a terminal in Konsole (since Konsole runs a bash shell), but is it the default for menu items
[08:06] <Mamarok> TheKro: read what I just wrote :)
[08:06] <TheKro> Mamarok: thanks - looks promising - will check it out
[08:18] <TheKro> Mamarok: thanks - it seems all the menu items have the same environment as KDE itself - so I need to restart KDE after editing my config files to see if changes work.  Hopefully that will resolve the issue.
[08:18] <Mamarok> TheKro: you are welcome :)
[08:21] <vivainio_> is there a faq for "sound doesn't work in kubuntu karmic"?
[08:21] <vivainio_> or Kubuntu Karmic Koala, as it's affectionately called
[08:22] <Mamarok> vivainio_: for Karmic please ask in #ubuntu+1, see the topic
[08:22] <vivainio_> hm. I thought everyone was on karmic already ;-)
[08:22] <vivainio_> will do
[08:22] <Mamarok> unlikely, since it is not released yet
[08:24] <TheKro> Mamarok: problem solved :)
[08:24] <Mamarok> TheKro: nice :)
[08:34] <varanus> after some last updates, plasma doesn't save the last configuration of widget position ecc, and even now and then adds random activities by changing then the current ones. any1 know y? i have karmic with kde4.3.2
[08:37] <Mamarok> varanus: no, not really, I have KDE 4.3.2 too, and don't have that problem
[08:37] <varanus> Mamarok: so it could be something regarding my personal configuration
[08:37] <varanus> ty
[08:37] <Mamarok> varanus: you are welcome :)
[08:48] <vtec_> hello how do i uninstall kde completely from my computer? I've gone to synaptic and marked for complete removal but I still have all of the K apps and I don't want them anymore
[08:59] <Mamarok> !puregnome | vtec_
[09:00] <vtec_> The command worked great and removed everything, nothing changed in my Ubuntu Desktop, all went well.
[09:00] <vtec_> Thanks alot Mamarok
[09:00] <Mamarok> vtec_: you are welcome :)
[09:01] <vtec_> Quick question, what is the difference bewteen Add/Remove and Synaptic?
[09:04] <Mamarok> it's not the same application, synaptic is a GTK app from Gnome, Add/Remove aka KPackageKit is a Qt application for KDE
[09:04] <Mamarok> both use apt-get but provide a GUI
[09:04] <vtec_> Ahh I understand
[09:04] <vtec_> Thanks again Mamarok
[09:04] <Mamarok> vtec_: you are welcome :)
[09:09] <Appler> Hey all
[09:11] <TheKro> hi appler
[09:11] <Appler> Check this out ,http://siutor_bejewele09.mixxquery.com/index.html?Ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.in%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DSeasonal%2Bchange%2Bcauses%2Bfever%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26aq%3Dt%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26client%3Dfirefox-a
[10:36] <niloc> help
[10:36] <niloc> meh
[10:37] <niloc> #list
[10:41] <seraphim> hey... why is kubuntu so much slower with the userinterface then ubuntu is
[10:42] <seraphim> its painfull , so slow is kubuntu compared to ubuntu
[11:23] <jiorjis> hello
[11:30] <solar_> hello
[11:32] <solar_> i am trying to install ubuntu 9.04 in a 64bit system with 3 hard drives one ide and two satas can you help me?
[11:37] <sanil> z
[11:38] <kubuntuser> solar_: it is extremely difficult to help you over the internet
[11:40] <kubuntuser> solar_: I suggest you try to do a simple install on an old computer or something your first time. If you have only a few questions there are many people here who would be willing to help you
[11:48] <solar_> the biggest hard drive it is 500 gb and says 500107mb free space it is impossible to change to ext3 ,ext2, fat32. what can i do with it?
[11:50] <kubuntuser> solar_: why is it impossible to change?
[11:50] <solar_> i have problems aswell with an ati graphic card already installed
[11:52] <kubuntuser> solar_: I can not help you now because I have school soon.
[11:53] <solar_> i want that 500sata to be part of the system. when i am in preparar particiones... does not let me do it
[11:54] <diconico07> solar_: you need to creatte partitions on your differents hard drive
[11:54] <diconico07> and set them in ext3 or ext4
[12:01] <solar_> what about puntos de montaje
[12:03] <acemo> when trying to start eric, im getting the following error message: ImportError: cannot import name Qsci what can i do to fix this?
[12:06] <solar_> error input output duringread on /dev/sda
[12:29] <Shockrates_> hi
[12:33] <buckethead> Hi guys.. How do I add additional activities in plasma-netbook? I'd like to add a lancelot and a folderview..
[12:47] <Shockrates_> GUYS
[12:47] <Shockrates_> i hear no sound from my laptop subwoofer
[12:57] <lovre> i have notices that in kubuntu (or maybe linux in general) you cant play two audio files at the same time. For example run Audacious and Amarok, and make them both play, just the first one started plays, the other one is silent. Same thing with microphone, i cant use it to talk on skype and teamspeak at the same time. I would think capturing would be independent and then signal would be available for any application. I dont know why theese problems
[12:57] <lovre> exist, but its annoying.  Or maybe i am missing something here?
[12:59] <sveinung> lovre: if yor programs use a sound server (like PulseAudio) you can
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:03] <lovre> sveinung: i dont know what they use, i never configured amarok, audacious, or teamspeak. Skype is set to ALSA. Not sure if Alsa is the same type of service as PulseAudio....?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> pulse audio is like amiddleman soundserver that runs on top of alsa, skype is known not to have audio without PA
[13:05] <EagleScreen> hi+
[13:06] <Elchomat> Hi
[13:06] <lovre> BluesKaj: hmm, i not sure why then i cant capture or play from/to more sources...
[13:06] <shayna> hi everyone.  I have a question
[13:06]  * Elchomat too
[13:06] <EagleScreen> I have installed mplayerthumbs 1.2-kde4.3.2-0ubuntu1, what more must I do to have thumbnails preview for video files?
[13:07] <shayna> I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 and now my wireless doesn't work, how do I fix this.  It shows my wireless network but I can't connect and I have the wireless drivers installed
[13:07] <BluesKaj> lovre, more info at #pulseaudio
[13:08] <shayna> any ideas?
[13:08] <EagleScreen> shayna: do not forget to update to Kubuntu 9.10 in two days or so, it is recommended, what protocol use your network, WEP or WPA?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> shayna, which wifi card?
[13:09] <lovre> BluesKaj: ok, ty
[13:09] <shayna> wpa
[13:09] <Elchomat> shayna:  No bing.ut here my wlan doesnt do anyth
[13:09] <shayna> I have an airport card built into my mac
[13:10]  * Elchomat switches back to Windows where wlan, bt and so on works
[13:10] <Elchomat> Bye
[13:10] <shayna> I also have the broadcom sta wireless driver installed
[13:11] <EagleScreen> shayna: the kde4 plasmoid for networkmanager in jaunty is buggy as hell
[13:11] <shayna> I see
[13:11] <EagleScreen> it is "normally" that it to cannot connect to a wpa
[13:11] <shayna> Because it worked great in 8.1
[13:11] <EagleScreen> because 8.10 used KDE3 version i think
[13:12] <shayna> I updated that to the kde 4
[13:12] <shayna> my boyfriend is at work and I don't want to have to call him
[13:12] <EagleScreen> 8.10 used KDE4 Desktop, but kde3 applet for networkmanager
[13:12] <shayna> ohhhhhh
[13:13] <shayna> is that supposed to be resolved in 9.1?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | shayna
[13:13] <EagleScreen> shayna: 9.10 has a completly rewritten kde4 applet for networkmanager, it is expected to work well
[13:14] <shayna> great
[13:14] <EagleScreen> bad time to update to jaunty when karmic will be released in two days
[13:14] <shayna> I'm looking for the package you said ubottu, but it's not pulling up anything in adept
[13:15] <EagleScreen> shayna: i recommend you to use kde3 applet
[13:15] <shayna> I'm thinking so, but I installed the 8.10 disk
[13:15] <shayna> how do I do that Eagle?
[13:15] <EagleScreen> let me see..
[13:15] <BluesKaj> shayna, add this to your sources.list then do an update in the konsole: deb http://apt.wicd.net jaunty extras
[13:15] <BluesKaj> including the deb
[13:16] <EagleScreen> I think kde3 applet is netter than wicd
[13:16] <EagleScreen> *better
[13:16] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, have you tried wicd?
[13:17] <EagleScreen> never but it install gnome dependencies
[13:17] <BluesKaj> I use it wirh wpa2 encryption
[13:17] <EagleScreen> and i have tested kde3 applet in jaunty for wpa sucessfull
[13:17] <EagleScreen> shayna: usen what you want, choose one to test first
[13:18] <BluesKaj> what's a few gnome depenendies , it's all ubuntu
[13:18] <shayna> i'm trying to figure out how to get the KDE 3
[13:18] <EagleScreen> for kde3 applet, install knetworkmanager package (it may be already installed by default)
[13:18] <shayna> because it's not letting me add the wicd
[13:19] <EagleScreen> chen in your Menu -> Applicarions -> Internet
[13:19] <BluesKaj> wicd works with kde3 ..it's been around since 8.04
[13:19] <shayna> I'll need to install that
[13:20] <EagleScreen> shayna: look for knetworkmanager package in adept and install it
[13:20] <EagleScreen> then close the kde4 plasmoid for networkmanager
[13:20] <shayna> ok
[13:20] <EagleScreen> run knetworkmanager and kde3 applet should appears
[13:21] <shayna> alright, give me a moment to get that
[13:22] <shayna> my adept isn't wanting to open right now
[13:22] <shayna> I may need to restart the computer
[13:22] <EagleScreen> normally, Adept is crappy
[13:22] <shayna> I have synaptic
[13:23] <EagleScreen> use always synaptic, it is muchy better
[13:23] <BluesKaj> shayna, is this what you want ?  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jaunty-kde3-remix-beta
[13:23] <shayna> I got this error
[13:23] <shayna> E: Type 'http://apt.wicd.net' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:23] <shayna> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[13:23] <shayna> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[13:23] <shayna> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[13:23] <FloodBotK2> shayna: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:23] <shayna> alright
[13:24] <EagleScreen> corrupted sources.list
[13:24] <EagleScreen> open a terminal
[13:24] <shayna> open
[13:24] <EagleScreen> run: $ kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:25] <EagleScreen> press F11 to see line numbers
[13:25] <EagleScreen> fix line 54
[13:25] <EagleScreen> remove it, type it propertly, or comment it
[13:25] <shayna> okay
[13:25] <EagleScreen> save and close editor
[13:26] <BluesKaj> shayna, copy and paste this whole line , not just the underlined and highlighted part , everything except the quotes "deb http://apt.wicd.net jaunty extras"
[13:26] <shayna> it's saying command not found
[13:27] <shayna> Alright
[13:27] <EagleScreen> command not found to wht command?
[13:28] <shayna> the one you told me to run
[13:28] <shayna> $ kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:28] <EagleScreen> do not type the $
[13:28] <EagleScreen> without dolar symbol
[13:29] <EagleScreen> a dolar symbol usually means the the following is a command for shell, but it musnt be typed in the shell
[13:29] <shayna> i just tried that
[13:29] <shayna> i feel stupid
[13:30] <EagleScreen> all we are stupid when we are learning
[13:30] <shayna> now it's giving me another error
[13:32] <shayna> fixed it!!!!
[13:35] <shayna> I'm not seeing the network manager that you told me to look for EagleScreen
[13:35] <shayna> I've got kdenetwork installed though
[13:35] <EagleScreen> knetworkmanager
[13:35] <EagleScreen> or networkmanager-kde
[13:36] <shayna> I have network-manager-kde installed
[13:36] <EagleScreen> as I suposed
[13:36] <EagleScreen> close kde4 network plasmoid
[13:36] <EagleScreen> and try to run knetworkmanager command
[13:37] <shayna> where do I do that?  and i'm sorry if i'm sounding retarded, i've been using Mac OS X
[13:37] <EagleScreen> do you ahve the Desktop widgets locked?
[13:37] <EagleScreen> unlock them
[13:37] <shayna> no they're not locked
[13:38] <EagleScreen> then use the special button on the right in the panel
[13:38] <EagleScreen> not
[13:38] <EagleScreen> just right click on the kde4 widget for network
[13:38] <EagleScreen> and choose remove widget
[13:39] <shayna> there isn't one there
[13:39] <EagleScreen> on Desktop?
[13:39] <shayna> i closed out the plasmoid window earlier
[13:39] <Yunque> g
[13:40] <EagleScreen> then just run knetworkmanager
[13:41] <shayna> it gave me some weird stuff
[13:42] <shayna> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[13:42] <shayna> It said that a few times
[13:42] <EagleScreen> but is applet opened?
[13:42] <EagleScreen> or not?
[13:43] <shayna> no, it doesn't look like it EagleScreen
[13:43] <shayna> I wanna copy and paste but i don't want to flood
[13:43] <kaddi__> !paste
[13:43] <EagleScreen> it is strange
[13:44] <roKB> kya bhai logon, sab rapchik ?
[13:44] <sveinung> does anyone know where I could ask for help about a KMS-problem (huge fonts) I got after i upgraded to Karmic?
[13:44] <kaddi__> karmic support is available in #ubuntu+1
[13:45] <roKB> what's KMS ?
[13:45] <sveinung> thanks
[13:46] <shayna> is there any way to do screen sharing eagle?
[13:46] <shayna> I keep getting this X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[13:46] <lovre> can someone talk to me on skype, i need  to check capture with PA, if it can pass the captured to more than one application?
[13:47] <EagleScreen> shayna: you can paste text in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:47] <shayna> i did that , but it won't go int the screen
[13:48] <EagleScreen> shayna: if you did it, share the url to the pasted text
[13:48] <shayna> okay
[13:49] <shayna> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/302794/
[13:49] <EagleScreen> shayna: copy always the command you were running too
[13:49] <shayna> I just tried something
[13:50] <EagleScreen> shayna: has the computer where you have the problem internet connection right now?
[13:50] <shayna> I tried to run the command as kdesudo knetworkmanager
[13:50] <shayna> yes, i've moved my wireless router closer and connected an ethernet cable to it
[13:50] <EagleScreen> never run knetworkmanager with kdesudo
[13:50] <EagleScreen> never
[13:50] <shayna> oh
[13:50] <shayna> oops
[13:51] <shayna> did i just break something?
[13:51] <EagleScreen> have you tried to run it as normal?
[13:51] <norteng> I need the help of VCS have a shared network printer in samba has two trays, one sheet is A4 and A3 is another I can not send to tray will only A3 to A4 user CUPS 1.3.9 can someone help me?
[13:51] <shayna> yes i did before, and i closed the window accidently and then when i tried again it wouldn't come back up with all the errors
[13:51] <shayna> it just goes back to shayna@shayna-desktop:~$
[13:52] <PAgore> hi all :)
[13:52] <shayna> hi Pagore
[13:52] <EagleScreen> not running now but it did before, shayna?
[13:52] <PAgore> could someone tell me please, how i can create thumbnails in kubuntu :D
[13:52] <shayna> right
[13:52] <PAgore> im pretty new in kubuntu :)
[13:52] <EagleScreen> if you cannot run it agai, try rebooting if you can
[13:52] <shayna> you and me both PA
[13:53] <PAgore> :)
[13:53] <shayna> okay, I'll come back to this chat room after I reboot
[13:53] <PAgore> i found out that i can watch thumbs with mplayerthumbs
[13:53] <EagleScreen> hi PAgore
[13:53] <shayna> wait, I have two network orb thingys
[13:53] <EagleScreen> yes, you can
[13:53] <PAgore> but how to create xD
[13:53] <PAgore> ?
[13:54] <EagleScreen> PAgore: what KDE version are you using?
[13:55] <shayna> Eagle, I have the knetworkmanager up
[13:55] <PAgore> the newest
[13:55] <EagleScreen> shayna: try to connect
[13:55] <PAgore> i just downloaded it today :)
[13:55] <shayna> i'm a goob and didn't see it in the bar at the bottom
[13:55] <EagleScreen> PAgore: what Kubuntu vfersion?
[13:55] <PAgore> 9.04
[13:56] <EagleScreen> bad time to install 9.04
[13:56] <PAgore> hmm :)
[13:56] <EagleScreen> 9.10 will be released in two days
[13:56] <PAgore> i know in 2 days ill download 9.10
[13:56] <PAgore> ^^
[13:56] <EagleScreen> you need KDE version of 9.10 to can use thumbnails
[13:56] <PAgore> oh
[13:57] <PAgore> okty for info, ill google for KDE now :)
[13:57] <EagleScreen> at least you need 4.3 I think
[13:58] <PAgore> hm, i duno what version i have atm :)
[13:58] <EagleScreen> and package mplayerthimbs 1.2-kde4.3.2-0ubuntu1
[13:58] <EagleScreen> jaunty has 4.2.2 i think
[13:58] <EagleScreen> there are special repos to update to 4.3 in jaunty
[13:59] <PAgore> hmm, ok, i think i have to found out how to do that :X
[13:59] <PAgore> in packagekit?
[13:59] <EagleScreen> i can tell you
[13:59] <genii> !neon
[13:59] <EagleScreen> KDE 4 trunk is unstable
[14:00] <genii> !ppa
[14:00] <EagleScreen> do not use it
[14:00] <PAgore> ok
[14:00] <EagleScreen> PAgore: open kpackagekit
[14:00] <PAgore> ok i opened :)
[14:00] <EagleScreen> go to configuration
[14:00] <EagleScreen> and click on Edit Software sources
[14:01] <PAgore> ok i made and i tipped in my p :)
[14:01] <PAgore> Password
[14:01] <EagleScreen> normally
[14:01] <EagleScreen> go to Third part software tab
[14:01] <EagleScreen> clock on add new
[14:01] <EagleScreen> and paste this line: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[14:02] <EagleScreen> all from deb to main
[14:02] <EagleScreen> then clokc ok, reload and you will can update to 4.3.2
[14:03] <PAgore> hm i made
[14:03] <PAgore> then i checked for updates
[14:03] <PAgore> The package list needs to be rebuilt.
[14:04] <PAgore> This should have been done by the backend automatically.
[14:04] <PAgore> this error appears
[14:05] <genii> sudo apt-get update     usually will update the list
[14:11] <PAgore> very interesting :)
[14:11] <PAgore> this i can read
[14:11] <PAgore> E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:12] <Pici> PAgore: You're probably missing 'deb ' on the beginning of that line
[14:13] <sobczyk> what is the ide of choice for mono on kubuntu?
[14:13] <PAgore> no i copied and pasted more then once , im sure i didnt forgot :)
[14:14] <PAgore> hm i have 1 try to delete this line now
[14:14] <PAgore> with the application kate, and i need root rights to do that
[14:15] <PAgore> i write in terminal "sudo dolphin"
[14:15] <PAgore> after my PW i cant see anything in dolphin
[14:15] <PAgore> no files or folders
[14:15] <ravla> hola
[14:15] <PAgore> xD
[14:15] <PAgore> hi ravla
[14:16] <ravla> sabeis como meterle todo el java y to el royo a firefox?
[14:17] <PAgore> hi EagleScreen :P
[14:17] <EagleScreen> hello again
[14:18] <EagleScreen> upgrading to 4.3.2, PAgore?
[14:18] <PAgore> no new failures apperead xD
[14:19] <EagleScreen> pastebin them
[14:20] <PAgore> first i refreshed the upgrade list but this appeared
[14:20] <PAgore> A problem that we were not expecting has occurred.
[14:20] <PAgore> then i wrote in terminal sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:20] <PAgore> but then this E appeared
[14:20] <PAgore> E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:21] <PAgore> :)
[14:21] <PAgore> now i can use dolphin with root
[14:21] <Pici> PAgore: Did you look at the file? I can assure you that you're missing 'deb' or 'deb-src' before the url on that line.
[14:22] <EagleScreen> yes
[14:22] <EagleScreen> you had to paste "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main"
[14:22] <EagleScreen> did u copy the deb?
[14:22] <PAgore> yes i made 100%
[14:22] <PAgore> :)
[14:23] <PAgore> i tried to copy and paste it more then once
[14:23] <Pici> PAgore: Can you please pastebin the contents of  that file then?
[14:23] <Pici> !pastebin
[14:23] <EagleScreen> then run: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:23] <PAgore> i search where i can find it :)
[14:23] <EagleScreen> and fix line 54
[14:23] <genii> The error idicates you did not put "deb" in front of the url
[14:23] <PAgore> # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release amd64 (20090420.1)]/ jaunty main restricted
[14:23] <PAgore> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
[14:23] <PAgore> # newer versions of the distribution.
[14:23] <PAgore> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted
[14:23] <PAgore> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted
[14:23] <FloodBotK2> PAgore: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:23] <PAgore> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[14:25] <EagleScreen> PAgore: dont flood
[14:25] <EagleScreen> use pastebin and paste the content of the file
[14:25] <EagleScreen> it is also beter, cleaner
[14:26] <PAgore> ok i deleted line 45
[14:26] <PAgore> now sudo apt-get update work :D
[14:27] <EagleScreen> add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[14:27] <EagleScreen> from deb to main
[14:27] <EagleScreen> including both
[14:30] <PAgore> hmm
[14:30] <PAgore> yes a lot of new updates appear :D
[14:30] <PAgore> 44 Updates
[14:30] <PAgore> 62 blocked updates
[14:31] <PAgore> Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend.
[14:33] <EagleScreen> by a bug kpkgkit cannot install all updates
[14:34] <EagleScreen> use sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[14:34] <PAgore> yes :)
[14:34] <PAgore> ok ty, let me just update the 44 Updates i can then  i upgrade the rest :D
[14:34] <PAgore> it teems that it is a lot because
[14:34] <PAgore> i update since 1 min and its still 10% :D
[14:38] <PAgore> 16% now :P
[14:45] <PAgore> 32%.    ...    i think in  5min    its finished :D
[14:48] <Urwaldclonk> What does it mean if I have restricted updates?
[14:51]  * nameiner is away: Gone away for now
[14:51] <PAgore> hmm, Urwaldclonk  your question is hard to answer :)
[14:52] <Urwaldclonk> ^^ should I post which one?
[14:52] <PAgore> yes do, maybe other ppl. here can help you :P
[14:53] <Urwaldclonk> These are the kernel updates to .15
[14:56] <PAgore> hmm, eagle screen, when i paste "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" in konsole
[14:56] <PAgore> 1 error appears
[14:56] <PAgore> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:56] <PAgore> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[14:56] <PAgore> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:56] <PAgore> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[14:56] <FloodBotK2> PAgore: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:57] <PAgore> i closed all application but irc
[14:57] <BluesKaj> PAgore, run in the konsole: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:57] <BluesKaj> and make sure package mangers are closed
[14:58] <BluesKaj> PAgore, then run : sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:58] <PAgore> ok i made :)
[14:59] <BluesKaj> PAgore, now do : sudo aptitude update
[14:59] <PAgore> i made this :)
[14:59] <PAgore> then this appear
[14:59] <PAgore> 62 packages upgraded, 32 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:59] <PAgore> Need to get 188MB of archives. After unpacking 145MB will be used.
[14:59] <FloodBotK2> PAgore: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:00] <PAgore> when i write y
[15:01] <PAgore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/302849/
[15:01] <PAgore> here is the error :)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> PAgore,  do: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:02] <PAgore> hmm, similar error, with smaler text
[15:02] <PAgore> Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway?
[15:02] <PAgore> To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No":
[15:02] <PAgore> i write "Y"
[15:02] <PAgore> but nothing happened :D
[15:02] <PAgore> hmm
[15:02] <BluesKaj> that is a warning , not an error
[15:03] <PAgore> ah lol ok
[15:03] <PAgore> i have to write "Yes"
[15:03] <BluesKaj> type the word Yes
[15:03] <PAgore> :)
[15:03] <PAgore> wow it is much
[15:06] <PAgore> 38min left :),
[15:06] <PAgore> ill go study while this download :)
[15:07] <EagleScreen> the warnings are probably by untrusted PPA
[15:07] <EagleScreen> add the gpg-key of Kubuntu PPA's to apt keyring and those warnings will disappear
[15:08] <Urwaldclonk> can I upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[15:11] <EagleScreen> yes Urwaldclonk, you can
[15:12] <Urwaldclonk> thanks, is 9.10 avaliabe?
[15:13] <EagleScreen> yes it is, but it is not final release yet
[15:14] <Urwaldclonk> k, then I wait if its final :D
[15:14] <EagleScreen> but only two days remaining, it is almost final, and very few changes are expected
[15:14] <Urwaldclonk> thanks
[15:29] <amik> hya, can anyone confirm/deny that Kate 3.3.2 (using KDE 4.3.2) has copy/paste issues when trying to paste to an external app (thunderbird, vi, etc.)?
[15:33] <EagleScreen> what issues?
[15:34] <amik> it doesn't paste...
[15:34] <EagleScreen> trying paste after kate closed?
[15:34] <amik> I can copy/paste within kate, copy from outside and paste to kate, but can't copy from kate and paste outside of it
[15:35] <amik> no, everything still open. and just tried with kwrite - same thing.
[15:35] <EagleScreen> let me see
[15:35] <EagleScreen> I can paste here
[15:36]  * ponting hi allllllllllllll
[15:36] <PAgore> hi pnting :P
[15:36] <EagleScreen> i can paste everywhere
[15:36] <amik> here being?
[15:36]  * roKB says hi to ponting
[15:36] <amik> hmmmm
[15:36] <amik> any idea what might be going wrong?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> amik, yes sometimes one has to leave the page open that you copy from in order to paste in another file
[15:36] <ponting> arey rock u also here ...
[15:37] <roKB> EagleScreen: so do i
[15:37] <roKB> ponting: are u still there ananya ?
[15:37] <EagleScreen> have you touched klipper configuration?
[15:37] <EagleScreen> is klipper running for you?
[15:37] <roKB> ponting: yup
[15:37] <amik> BluesKaj: everything is open - thunderbird, vi (konsole) and kate. it just doesn't work... very strange. haven't had this before, and I just upgraded to 4.3.2 a couple days ago
[15:37] <amik> no, klipper not running
[15:38] <ponting> roKB yaa
[15:39] <amik> trying to paste into firefox bar - not working either
[15:39] <Arinmal> hey everyone
[15:39] <PAgore> hi :P
[15:40] <amik> when I copy from FF/TB, I can paste everywhere else
[15:40] <Arinmal> first time using kubuntu
[15:40] <amik> but not the other way around
[15:41] <roKB> amik: chot hai ye toh
[15:41] <amik> Arinmal: mazel tov
[15:41] <amik> roKB: no comprende
[15:43] <roKB> amik: what's TB?
[15:43] <amik> roKB: ThunderBird (sorry, I mentioned it before)
[15:44] <EagleScreen> run klipper
[15:44] <EagleScreen> KDE may need klipper to copy/paste
[15:45] <amik> EagleScreen: just starting it doesn't help. anything else I should try?
[15:45] <roKB> isn't klipper installs on upgrade ?
[15:45] <EagleScreen> amik: can you reproduce your problem in a clean user enviroment?
[15:46] <Arinmal> quick question, I installed kde on another distro a few days ago and it had a darker theme...like the pop up boxes were black...how can i get that back? the silver is hard on my eyes
[15:46] <amik> roKB: dunno - I didn't have it before either. I think it starts by default on a clean install, but I never ever used it, so I disabled it years ago. never had a problem though until now.
[15:46] <amik> EagleScreen: when u say 'clean'... ?
[15:46] <genii> I'm not running Klipper and I can copy from Kate into KWrite fine.
[15:46] <EagleScreen> amik: for instance a new user account recently created
[15:47] <EagleScreen> Arinmal: it is oxugen theme
[15:47] <genii> (KDE 4.3.2, Kate 3.3.2, Kwrite 4.3.2)
[15:47] <amik> genii: kate/kwrite work with themselves, but can copy there and paste in some other apps
[15:47] <EagleScreen> oxygen theme
[15:47] <roKB> maybe some applications are using klipper's last selected paste to perform paste operation ... like FF, TB
[15:47] <Arinmal> you mean download another theme?
[15:47] <EagleScreen> you should have it
[15:47] <Arinmal> ok
[15:48] <Arinmal> sec
[15:49] <EagleScreen> amik: create a new user for test, it takes just a moment
[15:49] <EagleScreen> sudo adduser user_name
[15:49] <amik> EagleScreen: is it totally reversible? won't screw up my system?
[15:49] <EagleScreen> yes user creation is reversible
[15:49] <amik> EagleScreen: (sorry, as an ex-win user, I'm used to the fact that *nothing* is reversible :-) )
[15:50] <EagleScreen> not here
[15:50] <Arinmal> I cant find it eaglescreen...idk what im missing...all i have is the oxygen theme thats silver
[15:51] <amik> ok, so I'll create a new user with the command above, then logout/switch user, then run kate and firefox and check?
[15:51] <EagleScreen> Arinmal: are u looking for this theme? http://imagebin.ca/view/M7cpzjH.html
[15:52] <Arinmal> yes!
[15:52] <EagleScreen> it is oxygen theme
[15:53] <EagleScreen> yes amik
[15:53] <Arinmal> so I gotta change colors in the installed theme?
[15:54] <EagleScreen> Arinmal: right click on desktop -> Desktop preferences
[15:54] <Arinmal> got it
[15:54] <Arinmal> thanks man
[15:55] <EagleScreen> change Air by Oxugen
[15:55] <EagleScreen> in theme
[15:57] <amik> EagleScreen: ok, I logged in as the new user, opened up kate and FF, typed in a few words in kate. copy in kate and paste in FF fails. the other way works ok.
[15:58] <EagleScreen> amik: i dont know what to tell you
[15:58] <amik> EagleScreen: the right-click menu in ff even shows the paste option grayed out - it really seems to not have anything in the clipboard
[15:59] <EagleScreen> check your KDE isntallation
[15:59] <EagleScreen> i am going to replace my amd64 install by the i386
[15:59] <EagleScreen> many programs not ready for 64 bits
[16:01] <amik> EagleScreen: I'm on 64 - which apps don't work? haven't noticed any...
[16:01] <EagleScreen> nspluginviewer crash often
[16:01] <EagleScreen> many web applications or games only work with 32 bits
[16:02] <EagleScreen> many programs as like as wine needs to install the 32bit libs anyway
[16:02] <PAgore> hmm maybe i made a mistake then? xD
[16:03] <amik> and is 64 actually better for performance? I assumed it better maches the hardware...
[16:03] <PAgore> hmm ill dl the newest version of Kubuntu in 2 days,, ,but isnt it slower?
[16:03] <EagleScreen> better suport for 32 bits in packages around the web: Acrobat reader, flash, Opera etc..
[16:03] <amik> (though I'm more of a dev than a gamer, so haven't come across issues. conservative apps, I guess.)
[16:03] <EagleScreen> flash sometimes crash in 64 bits
[16:04] <amik> EagleScreen: hmmm... now that u mention it... ;-)
[16:04] <ponting> there is a problem in kubuntu 9.1 .beta ..: before copying a file in flash or any media it doesn't ckecks the available space ..and in last..it says can't coppy disc is full..it must be fixed
[16:04] <ponting> have u guy noticed it ..
[16:04] <EagleScreen> some web browsers like Arora hasen't any problem in loading plugins in 32 bits, but it hardly load them in 64 bits
[16:05] <amik> I do find myself restarting FF every once in a while when I want to watch something on youtube, coz flash is messed up... but I think that's the only issue I noticed
[16:05] <EagleScreen> applications eat more RAM in its 64 bits version
[16:05] <ponting> use FF it's so simple dude
[16:05] <ponting> i haven't faced such a problem.
[16:05] <amik> I have 4g, and never saw them fully utilized yet, so that's not a concern
[16:06] <amik> ponting: in FF 64 ur flash works flawlessly for days in a row? multiple tabs open and all?
[16:07] <EagleScreen> i think by the moment 64 bits arch has more disadvantages than advantages
[16:07] <PAgore> can you  give the full name of FF?  i cant google for it :)
[16:07] <ponting> amik i havn't oprn that much of flash tabs simulateously ...but yaa for 2-3 tabs it is working well
[16:07] <amik> FireFox (sorry :-) )
[16:07] <lovre> when im running a virtual machine, can i get hardware accel, and directx to work?
[16:07] <PAgore> ah lol ok i know this xD
[16:07] <Soulsearch> hmmm pulseaudio not installed in 9.10?
[16:08] <amik> anyway, as for the copy/paste issue - can anyone recomment a kate replacement? a friendly text editor, simple yet full of useful features? lightweight and all? (I'm coming from Notepad++ in windows, if that means anything to anyone)
[16:10] <ponting> amik: kate is good tool in gui it's nt that heavy ..
[16:10] <amik> and of course, I'm talking of something for those moments when I'm not in a vi mood :-)
[16:10] <PAgore> in Xubuntu i used Mousepad
[16:10] <amik> ponting: yes, but I'm having issues with it (discussed above, if u were here...)
[16:11] <PAgore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text_editors
[16:11] <ponting> amik: oh i wan't
[16:11] <Pici> !editors
[16:12] <ponting> there is a problem in kubuntu 9.1 .beta ..: before copying a file in flash or any media it doesn't ckecks the available space ..and in last..it says can't coppy disc is full..it must be fixed
[16:12] <Pici> ponting : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Karmic/9.10 support/discussion.
[16:14] <amik> thanks for the lists guys, but the wiki page doesn't specify platform for most editors listed, and in any case I was hoping for some personal input, not a random guess :-)
[16:14] <ponting> Pici: all right
[16:14] <amik> or, I'll keep using kate, but paste nothing outside of it. that's what vi is for!
[16:15] <PAgore> interresting
[16:16] <PAgore> when i use kate i can copy and paste from everywhere
[16:16] <ponting> i have a problem if u guyzz can sort it out ..my audio driver is cheating upon me ..sometimes i boot my system n sometime it is working fine ..
[16:16] <amik> PAgore: I'm most happy for u :-p
[16:16] <PAgore> hmm , maybe you need a update ? :)
[16:16] <ponting> this problme i m facing .in all the OS's
[16:17] <ponting> eighter it be  linux or win
[16:17] <ponting> PAgore: since the day i got my box.
[16:18] <PAgore> ponting: what box do you mean? :)
[16:18] <amik> ponting: if it works flakily on all OSs, it's likely a hardware issue (and/or bios - r u up to date?)
[16:18] <ponting> PAgore: my system i was talking as Box.
[16:18] <ponting> amik: i dude i updated it 2months ago
[16:20] <PAgore> ponting: Hmm, sry im a Linux noob, and i think i cant help you out :(
[16:21] <ponting> Pagore: hmm alright.
[16:21] <amik> ponting: I'm no expert, but if a hardware-related issue happens on different OSs, I'd say the problem is not in th OS, but the hardware...
[16:22] <PAgore> brb, i have to restart after my 188 MB KDE update :)
[16:22] <ponting> amik: yaa dude that i am aware..of i just asked for ..some update as firmware update made my DVD drive work well
[16:23] <Shockrates> guys hello
[16:23]  * ponting asks for suggestion of .any  MSN messanger which can support cam chat for Kubuntu
[16:24] <Shockrates> if i autoremove konqueror will there be any problem/
[16:24] <Shockrates> ?
[16:24] <Shockrates> are any libs needed for anything else
[16:24] <Shockrates> (i have firefox)
[16:25] <ponting> Shockrates: no there won't be any   problem but why will u remove konqueror it is a nice browser ..
[16:25] <Shockrates> i think firefox is better
[16:25] <Shockrates> :D
[16:25] <Shockrates> rekonq on the other hand was good indeed
[16:25] <ponting> it's up to u
[16:25] <Shockrates> i actually run the
[16:26]  * ponting  asks for suggestion of .any  MSN messanger which can support cam chat for Kubuntu
[16:26] <Shockrates> autoremove konqueror command
[16:26] <Shockrates> which removes some libs which it believes are not needed
[16:26] <ponting> so then wat happend.
[16:26] <Shockrates> nothing
[16:26] <Shockrates> a friend told be that maybe
[16:26] <Shockrates> some libs may be needed for other things
[16:27] <carpii_> i want to finally upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to latest ready for 9.10.   Can anyone recommend some software to backup my entire 8.04 installation so I can rollback if I dont like kde 4.x ?
[16:35] <genii> carpii_: Do you have a hd same size or larger than the one your 8.04 is currently on?
[16:36] <carpii_> not on the same machine, no :(
[16:36] <carpii_> but ive servers which can store it all
[16:36] <carpii_> on my lan
[16:36] <genii> carpii_:The other boxes running Linux of some sort?
[16:37] <genii> ( if so then rsync )
[16:39] <carpii_> genii, well they are, but inside a vm
[16:39] <carpii_> the servers are running windows, see :/
[16:40] <Shockrates> what does the autoremove command do?
[16:41] <carpii_> just removes packages installed, but no longer needed
[16:41] <genii> Shockrates: With apt-get, the autoremove tries to uninstall packages which are listed as not being used, or which have been orphaned
[16:41] <carpii_> ah, assuming you mean   apt-get autoremove
[16:43] <amik> Shockrates: why do u need to uninstall konq? u can still use firefox...
[16:44] <Shockrates> amik: i just like 1 thing for 1 job
[16:44] <Shockrates> its not a matter of memory
[16:44] <amik> Shockrates: I use FF too, but it never bothered me that somewhere on the disk konq is in deep slumber...
[16:44] <ponting_> pls tell me some ...
[16:44] <Shockrates> lol
[16:45] <Shockrates> amik: maybe
[16:45] <Shockrates> anyway thanks and cya
[16:45] <amik> plus it is a default part of kde/kubuntu, so I might as well leave it there and not take chances that something, someday will break
[16:46] <PAgore> hmm guzy i updated KDE but i still cant see Thumbnails :)
[16:46] <PAgore> i installed mthumbnailer
[16:46] <PAgore> i can see my thumbs  i had when i used ubuntu but i cant create now thumbsnails :)
[16:46] <PAgore> new
[16:50] <frozenfoxx> Quick question
[16:50] <frozenfoxx> Should I look at using the Kubuntu NetBook Remix RC or is it just not worth it at this time for a non-developer and should I instead try to cram the full-blown desktop Kubuntu 9.10 into my netbook
[16:51] <amik> I have the same dilemma. anyone?
[16:52] <frozenfoxx> I mean, NBR seems pretty functional but I read something about it not really being ready.  I was wondering a bit more about that
[16:53] <amik> iirc the kubuntu news page says that the NBR as far as KDE is concerned is not yet a release, but the kubuntu team will cram it into a kubuntu release anyway
[16:54] <amik> it sounds like it'll basically work, but probably still have some issues and annoyances
[16:55] <frozenfoxx> It seems to be okay on my notoriously-hard 1101HA so it can't be too bad.  I wonder how bad it would be trying to get the standard KDE 4 desktop working okay on the netbook with the smaller screen
[16:55] <claydoh> run nbr from a flash drive and see how it is
[16:56] <amik> you can easily try - aiui they're just different 'desktop' packages, u can install/uninstall as u please without having to wipe the disk or anything
[16:56] <frozenfoxx> Hmm, could you actually just install the kde-desktop package on a NBR image and switch between the two?
[16:56] <frozenfoxx> That'd probably make me happiest
[16:57] <frozenfoxx> I just didn't know how tightly NBR was tied into the other package dependencies
[16:57] <amik> maybe they can even coexist with both options in the login menu? I'm guessing here...
[16:57] <maco> sure
[16:57] <maco> pretty sure some of the devs do that
[16:57] <genii> carpii_: I don't use Bacula but i hear it can backup your hd to for instance a set of CD/DVD
[16:58] <carpii_> ok thanks
[16:58] <frozenfoxx> Then I think I'll give that a shot as I really like the NBR direction Kubuntu's taken (honestly I like it a *lot* more than the Ubuntu NBR philosophy) but it'd be nice to have the regular desktop to fall back on if it all goes fubar
[16:58] <linex> hello
[16:58] <carpii_> im setting up a new vmware with a huge drive, so i can try various utils
[16:58] <frozenfoxx> Thanks for the thoughts, everyone, I'll give it a shot here and let you know how it works
[16:58] <linex> Anyone here running on raid 1 ?
[16:58] <carpii_> luckybackup is one, but i might just use rsync once the vm is ready
[16:58] <amik> frozenfoxx: good luck :-) if it works, I'll probably do the same.
[16:59] <frozenfoxx> amik: I'll make sure to hang out in here during the work day for the rest of the week while I try it out, just message me if you want to know how it's going
[16:59] <amik> frozenfoxx: 10x :-)
[17:02] <varanus> does the side mouse buttons work with kde4.3.2 with karmic?
[17:03] <ponting_> varanus: yo!
[17:04] <Pici> !karmic
[17:04] <varanus> ponting_: do you know if there is any giude/how to get it to work?
[17:05] <ponting_> varanus: dude i installed kde4.3.2 n itzz working fine
[17:06] <varanus> ponting_: i have it working only with firefox, that's y i asked. ty though
[17:06] <ponting_> varanus: well i m working it well with alll appplication nt only FF
[17:08] <varanus> ponting_: thnx for the info
[17:08] <ponting_> varanus: welcome
[17:18] <vbgunz> anybody here use the anonymous font at size 8 in the terminal? I get these anomalies of dots on every other line. they go away if i scroll but they get annoying. anyone know what could be happening?
[17:25] <Aison> hello
[17:25] <Aison> is it already possible to download ubuntu 9.10 or do I have to download 9.04 and then upgrade?
[17:26] <Shockrates> hi. i cant see videos in youtube
[17:26] <ponting_> just upgrade the existing one if u are already running ..the ver..or so!!
[17:26] <Shockrates> any ideas?
[17:26] <Shockrates> i use firefox and youtube videos appear gray
[17:26] <Aison> ponting_, would like to install a new machine
[17:27] <ponting_> no not atl all
[17:27] <ponting_> Aison: no dude
[17:28] <Aison> http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/kubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:28] <Aison> found one ^^
[17:34] <ponting_> Aison: thnxx
[17:42] <ponting> roKB: apna baar  baar disconnect ho  jaa raha hai ...
[17:44] <kaddi> !grub
[17:49] <kaddi> !ext3
[17:52] <hackndoes> isn't ext 4 the new default?
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> hackndoes: for new Kubuntu 9.10 installs, yes
[18:54] <kaddi> hi, I still need help with grub and my 2 windows installations. Somehow my google-skills arent at their best today. :/ I have XP and Win7 installed and want to use grub as a bootloader, but I can't get this to work. The entry for XP takes me to the windowsbootlmanager and the entry I created for win7 doesn't work and I don't see why. It is a copy of the entry for xp with the exception that I adapted the partition
[19:15] <ward__> Hello where are the activities in KDE4 Kubuntu ?
[19:15] <ward__> are they stripped out ?
[19:20] <Mamarok> ward__: no, they are where they belong, upper right corner, click and select 'Zoom out'
[19:21] <ward__> ok found them ;)
[19:24] <ward__> when I try to run my plasmoid I get -> could not start javascript scriptEngine... The plasmoid works on other computers (written in Qtscript).. Am I missing some packages or so ?
[19:30] <rquire> hello I have switched from gnome to KDE... where do I find update-manager?
[19:32] <Tscheesy_> rquire: in Karmic? -> Systemsettings - Add/Remove SW
[19:38] <kubuntuser> rquire: k menu -> applications -> system -> Software Management
[19:40] <roKB> rquire: use `sudo aptitude` command, it is better than gui
[19:41] <roKB> rquire: for more info just visit http://www.futuredesktop.org/   .... although it shows how to install software on ubuntu, it's commands are also applicable for kubuntu
[19:41] <bottiger__> chrome plays the most annoying sound everytime I open/close a tab. it sounds like an ubuntu theme sound - any idea how to get rid of it
[19:42] <kubuntuser> roKB: I do not think you should suggest using the cli to people.
[19:43] <Tscheesy_> bottiger__: have a look at Systemsettings - Notifications : Choose the Source from the Drop-Down Menu
[19:43] <bottiger__> Tscheesy_: yes, there's no chrome
[19:45] <roKB> kubuntuser: i thought CLI is the strongest part of *nix family of OSes
[19:45] <ponting_> roKB: u still alive
[19:45] <kubuntuser> roKB: it is! However, it scares most people
[19:45] <Tscheesy_> bottiger__: so - no further Idea here - chrome-Settings themself?
[19:46] <bottiger__> Tscheesy_: nope - there's no sound options there :(
[19:46] <kubuntuser> roKB: I only use the kde package manager for alerting me of new updates :-)
[19:47] <alfiere> .............
[19:48] <alfiere> there is someone?
[19:49] <roKB> kubuntuser: then, they should use Redmond OS
[19:49] <Tscheesy_> !hi | alfiere
[19:49] <roKB> ponting_: ya still standing after all odds
[19:50] <kubuntuser> alfiere: of course people are here
[19:50] <roKB> !hi | alfiere
[19:50] <kubuntuser> alfiere: no one has questions though
[19:50] <roKB> !hi | ponting_
[19:50] <alfiere> hi rok
[19:51] <alfiere> i have installed for the first time ubunto
[19:51] <alfiere> is good
[19:51] <roKB> so did i
[19:52] <alfiere> my win xp is dead
[19:52] <alfiere> where are you from?
[19:54] <alfiere> can i play with ubunto ?
[19:54] <alfiere> videogame?
[19:54] <alfiere> i'm noob
[19:54] <alfiere> eheh
[19:55] <carpii_> what game ?
[19:59] <reagleBRKLN> hi everyone, i recently upgraded to KDE 4.3 from 3.5. I really love the Tools in Konqie's menu bar, but I can only see 3 of them (adblock, translate, archive). If I log in with a fresh user, they are all there (validate, change browser string, etc.) Where are these things defined (some rc file in ~/.kde, I can't find it)? Any ideas how to get those back?
[19:59] <alfiere> battlefiled
[19:59] <alfiere> 2 - 2142
[20:00] <alfiere> and company of hero
[20:01] <rquire> Hey guys! I just switched to KDE from Gnome.. I have Kubuntu 9.04 howdo I upgrade to 9.10 Beta ?
[20:02] <roKB> rquire: sudo aptitude update -d
[20:02] <roKB> rquire: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade -d
[20:02] <reagleBRKLN> rquire: the RC is out already
[20:09] <ward__> Hello somebody here that knows a lot of plasma packages ?
[20:10] <claydoh> ward__: do you want to find extra plasma widgets?
[20:10] <kubuntuser> ward__: open a konsole and type "sudo apt-get install plasma-widget*"
[20:10] <ward__> nope :) ;)
[20:10] <ward__> I just created a small QTScript plasmoid
[20:11] <kubuntuser> ward__: try #kde
[20:11] <ward__> but wanted to let you guys now I needed to install plasma-scriptengines maybe its better to have that installed by default ?
[20:12] <ward__> how can I reply to somebody fast instead of always typing the nickname on IRC ? :p
[20:12] <kubuntuser> ward__: type the beginning of then name, and then click tab
[20:15] <ward__> kubuntuser: easy ;)
[20:15] <kubuntuser> lol
[20:15] <ward__> somebody that can give that feedback to the packaging team?
[20:16] <kubuntuser> ward__: my guess would be that people in #kubuntu-dev are the people to to.
[20:17] <hackndoes> if i am running kubuntu rc, will it automaticallly be upgraded to final release tomorrow? or do i have to do something active
[20:17] <hackndoes> ?
[20:17] <claydoh> hackndoes: yes
[20:17] <kubuntuser> hackndoes: it IS karmic
[20:17] <kubuntuser> you would not need to upgrade
[20:17] <kubuntuser> just continue getting updates as they appear
[20:17] <hackndoes> great, thanks
[20:18] <hackndoes> kde4 is nice
[20:18] <claydoh> ward__: If I don't have any plasmas widgets that use those, why should I have it installed?
[20:18] <claydoh> ward__: if i install one that needs it, it would then download the correct engine if packaged correctly
[20:19] <ward__> claydoh: I was trying to create one and I missed something but didn't know what ;)
[20:19] <claydoh> plus space on the cd is limited as well
[20:19] <claydoh> ward__: but that is not of a concern for most end-users :)
[20:24] <declanmg> eixt
[20:24] <declanmg> exit
[20:41] <DarkTan> i just had to install windows XP on a free partition and i can no longer access linux or vista, how can i reinstal grub with out the linux install disk?
[20:41] <ralph_> hello all, I have a problem with Kubuntu 9.10., when I drag a file/folder/image to my desktop I don't get a mouse menu for selecting a action. (a bug maybe?)
[20:42] <DarkTan> !grub
[20:45] <DarkTan> is he UNetbootin safe for Vista/win7?
[20:47] <ralph_> anyone?
[20:49] <frozenfoxx> As a note for anyone who cares, I'm currently setting up Kubuntu 9.10 RC NBR on my Asus Eee 1101HA (with the godawful GMA 500) and it's going well
[20:49] <DarkTan> ralph i think you can change that in mouse setting
[20:49] <highvoltage> hi! what's the front-end for installing packages in Kubuntu called?
[20:49] <highvoltage> (need it for edubuntu documentation)
[20:49] <frozenfoxx> I still am having to use a thread or two from the Ubuntu wiki to get the graphics set up but by default it recognizes how to use the wifi and the ethernet ports, which is a plus
[20:50] <frozenfoxx> highvoltage: KPackageKit
[20:50] <DarkTan> sudo apt-get inteall
[20:50] <highvoltage> thanks frozenfoxx
[20:50] <frozenfoxx> highvoltage: No problem, it's pretty nice now and getting better
[20:50] <frozenfoxx> highvoltage: It's fully replaced Adept and is used in several other distros with KDE like Fedora, so it's getting a lot stronger community.  Hope you like it
[20:51] <highvoltage> frozenfoxx: cool. I mostly need it for the edubuntu release notes, but I'll give KDE a proper try again soon :)
[20:56] <ralph_> @darktan: no, can't see anyting there. (it's only not working on the desktop, it's working inside Dolpin and pannel etz)
[20:58] <frozenfoxx> highvoltage: Yeah, it's "getting better all the time." :)
[20:58] <ralph_> I fixed is (it's official ITS A BUG :( )... <I opened Dolpin /desktop and copy a file en deleted again, the icon apears op the desktop and go's away again. Now if I copy a file to the desktop it's showing the menu again. (I can't reproduce the bug again)
[20:59] <highvoltage> frozenfoxx: :p
[21:31] <ubuntu__> hi
[21:32] <monte48lowes> hello
[21:33] <kubuntuser> !hi Roey
[21:33] <kubuntuser> !hi | Roey
[21:33] <Roey> monte48lowes: can you give some sort of advice on grub?
[21:37] <roKB> !advice
[21:37] <kubuntuser> !anything
[21:37] <kubuntuser> wow
[21:37] <kubuntuser> ubottu is smart
[21:38] <kubuntuser> XD nm
[21:38] <jamesjedimaster> !grub
[21:54] <vivia> Hi, How can i assign a certain keyboard shortcut to open a certain application?
[21:54] <vivia> my new keyboard has some Word/Excel/Calculator keys which I want to take advantage of :)
[21:55] <monte48lowes> I have used gizmod to do this a long while back
[21:56] <monte48lowes> I don't know if it's still up to date
[21:59] <vivia> monte48lowes: thanks, installing... io think kde3 had it as a built-in function, right?
[22:01] <vivia> monte48lowes: ok this will need me to look it up. thanks :)
[22:04] <vivia> monte48lowes: found it in the control center -> input actions, you can create a new one :)
[22:06] <monte48lowes> good
[22:07] <moreno> hola
[22:08] <mor--> ù
[22:10] <wyterz> Hello boys, Im new to Kubuntu.. Im trying to install the flash plugin for firefox but I keep getting this error Only one software management tool is allowed to run at the same time..
[22:10] <wyterz> I am not installing something else at the same time
[22:11] <monte48lowes> open 'konsole' and issue 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[22:18] <wyterz> thx
[22:24] <benjamin_> okay, so I did an "update-notifier-kde -d" in order to upgrade to the 9.10 RC. All I get though is a little popup that says "No new upgrade available".  I am running kubuntu and i'm new with this, and i insert a data dvd in my laptop, but i don't know how to open the content in a folder. can anyone help mt thx
[22:25] <Bwyard> how do i reinstall network-tools if i dont have interenet
[22:25] <Bwyard> cus i accidently removed them
[22:26] <benjamin_> inrain: open up dolphin, the disk should show up on the left hand side
[22:26] <benjamin_> Bwyard: no idea. i've done that before... no idea how to fix it
[22:26] <Bwyard> drat
[22:27] <benjamin_> Bwyard: i think there's a way to install it from disk, but i don't know how
[22:27] <Bwyard> oh ok
[22:27] <inrain> benjamin_ theres only home, network root and trash,
[22:28] <benjamin_> inrain: you could try poking around in /media
[22:28] <benjamin_> inrain: if it doesn't show up in dolphin though, i don't think it's mounted
[22:29] <dmatt> inrain: if it is not empty media, it should pop up in Device Notifier, there you can click on it and it opens in Dolphin
[22:30] <inrain> benjamin_ ok. I just upgraded. if thats the case, i'm gonna try to fix it tomorrow coz its past midnight in finland :=
[22:30] <dmatt> inrain: and when you finish, you unmount it again in Device notifier (it is the same process as happens with USB keys and you should do it)
[22:30] <benjamin_> okay, so I did an "update-notifier-kde -d" in order to upgrade to the 9.10 RC. All I get though is a little popup that says "No new upgrade available". Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[22:31] <vivia> Bwyard: fetch the disk, find where it contains the .deb files, copy them all to /var/cache/apt/archives (as root) then install it normally
[22:31] <vivia> it won't download them
[22:32] <Bwyard> wait what
[22:32] <vivia> Bwyard: sorry even easier. uncomment first line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:32] <vivia> #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Release i386 (20090420.1)]/ karmic main restricted
[22:32] <vivia> this line. remove the
[22:32] <vivia> the #
[22:32] <vivia> then apt-get update and install
[22:32] <Bwyard> but i dont have internet
[22:33] <Bwyard> im on vista
[22:33] <Bwyard> xubuntu does not have internet because i dont have th enetwork tools
[22:34] <vivia> Bwyard: it's ok if you don't have internet
[22:34] <vivia> open (as root) the file /var/cache/apt/archives and remove the # before the first line, the one that talks about cdrom
[22:35] <vivia> then install normally. it will install from cd if available
[22:35] <Bwyard> so i have to have th xubuntu cd in then
[22:35] <Bwyard> well how do i enable root
[22:35] <Bwyard> my root is disabled
[22:35] <benjamin_> sudo
[22:35] <Bwyard> well what would the command be to edit that file
[22:36] <Bwyard> the exact command
[22:36] <benjamin_> sudo kate /var/cache/apt/archives (maybe)
[22:36] <dmatt> sudo nano /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:36] <vivia> +1 for nano
[22:36] <vivia> kate is for kubuntu not xubuntu
[22:37] <Bwyard> well ill try it ill be back
[22:37] <benjamin_> the save/quit options in nano are different than most, fyi
[22:37] <Bwyard> have to switch os
[22:49] <Bwyard> it worked
[22:51] <benjamin_> Bwyard: gz
[23:30] <benjamin_> okay, so I did an "update-notifier-kde -d" in order to upgrade to the 9.10 RC. All I get though is a little popup that says "No new upgrade available". Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[23:35] <dmatt> benjamin_:  try to do normal update&upgrade first
[23:36] <benjamin_> dmatt: yeup, did that first. even installed the handful of packages that were kept back
[23:38] <bbeck> join #perl
[23:41] <dmatt> benjamin_: try to ask in ubuntu+1 channel, i made fresh install
[23:45] <Roey> hi
[23:46] <Roey> can anyone help me with this install issue?  seems like it doens't load raid drivers on startup so the kernel can't find /.
[23:46] <Roey> which is on softraid1.
[23:46] <Roey> http://pastebin.com/m5e8ba990  <--- output of 'blkid', device.map and grub.cfg.
[23:46] <Roey> not sure if this info all agrees with itslf
[23:46] <Roey> I did a stock install and it won't boot.
[23:51] <alan__> Hi
[23:51] <alan__> How can I activate ths TAGS funtion in Dolphin?
[23:52] <alan__> As long as I've seen, eveyone seems to have it activate by defoult. I dont... :(


 Dis plus minus 6 ure minetest
[06:07] <Maaz> mazal: Sure, I'll tell barrydk on freenode
[06:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> minetest uses 1GB in 6 hours? o_O
[06:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> that can't be right
[06:08] <mazal> plus minus 150mb per hour
[06:08] <mazal> Depends what you do , and add in some email reading and web browsing during the day
[06:11] <mazal> On one Monday we were both connected the whole day , 8 hours. It chowed 2.8gig
[06:11] <mazal> That'e when we had to start limiting our connection time
[06:12] <mazal> Anyway , if anybody see barrydk , please tell him he has at least 6 hours on today
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: tell barrydk <mazal> Anyway , if anybody see barrydk , please tell him he has at least 6 hours on today
[06:16] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Okay, I'll tell barrydk on freenode
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> done :p
[06:25] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy  barrydk  MaNI  and others
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[06:39] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:55] <mazal_> Who is peer and why did he break my stuff :P
[06:55] <mazal_> More oom
[06:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:55] <Kilos> more seun
[06:55] <Kilos> koud ne
[06:55] <Kilos> ys buite
[06:55] <mazal_> Beslis
[06:57] <barrydk> Neeeman dis lekker buite, geniet die winter hy is amper weer verby
[06:57] <Maaz> barrydk: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell barrydk Ek het die average gecheck , jy kan volle 1 gig gebruik vandag. Dis plus minus 6 ure minetest" 50 minutes ago
[06:57] <Maaz> barrydk: By the way, ThatGraemeGuy on freenode told me "tell barrydk <mazal> Anyway , if anybody see barrydk , please tell him he has at least 6 hours on today" 40 minutes and 26 seconds ago
[06:57] <barrydk> Thanks Maaz
[06:57] <mazal> Lo B
[06:58] <barrydk> Hi W
[06:58] <mazal> Dankie maaz and Graeme
[06:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:58] <mazal> B average lyk goed , jy kan lekker speel vandag
[06:58] <barrydk> Sal loer bietjie later, iemand weer jou goed gebreek?
[06:59] <mazal> My goed ?
[06:59] <barrydk> kyk boontoe net na jy vir Kilos gegroet het
[07:00] <barrydk> 08:55] <mazal_> Who is peer and why did he break my stuff :P
[07:00] <mazal> Oh nee , "connection reste by peer" gekry. Toe raas ek met whoever peer is lol
[07:00] <Kilos> lol
[07:00] <barrydk> ok bietjie stadig vanmore
[07:00] <mazal> Dink my lyn is siekerig vanmore
[07:01] <barrydk> dag net ek gaan nou vir peer soek op minetest en al sy goed breek, sommer sy bene ook
[07:01] <mazal> lol
[07:01] <mazal> btw , ek het jou bome gebreek gisteraand
[07:01] <mazal> sorrrrrrrrrrrry
[07:02] <barrydk> hoekom
[07:02] <mazal> Het skoongemaak by my , en toe slaan die mal chainsaw hoog horisontale lyn
[07:02] <barrydk> aagwat sal weer groei
[07:03] <mazal> En het helemal weggekyk van jou af. Weet nie hoekom die ding dit doen nie :(
[07:03] <mazal> Nou het baie van hulle in die middel 'n gat , maar onder en bo ok
[07:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:04] <barrydk> wil in elkgeval van hulle uithaal daar is bietjie te veel, solank my rubber bome nog reg is is dit ok
[07:04] <mazal> Ok then , my home data is not looking as good as the work data , so I am off to go do PS3.
[07:05] <barrydk> ok enjoy the day
[07:10] <superfly> sjoe, julle tweetjies.
[07:12] <Kilos> haha hi superfly
[07:12] <superfly> I don't know what I'd do without my uncapped :-(
[07:12] <superfly> As soon as I saw it was mildly affordable, I went for it.
[07:12] <Kilos> suffer
[07:15] <barrydk> You are lucky to stay somewhere where it is available, I stay on a farm and the best i get is rubbish mtn and helkom's wireles
[07:15] <Kilos> lol
[07:33] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:35] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[07:36] <Kilos> im frozen
[07:48] <magespawn> good morning
[07:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:55] <Kilos> http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=519&m=534&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=12082&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/security/129214-how-safe-are-you-on-the-internet.html
[07:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:00] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[08:07] <arnaudmez> Hello Guys
[08:07] <arnaudmez> Hello Kilos
[08:07] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[08:07] <arnaudmez> hello inetpro
[08:07] <arnaudmez> hi nuvolari
[08:07] <arnaudmez> hi Squirm
[08:07] <arnaudmez> hi superfly
[08:07] <mazal> ugh I'm still in love with GT6
[08:07] <arnaudmez> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:08] <arnaudmez> What's on the table brothers
[08:08] <Kilos> arnaudmez  what did you break
[08:08] <arnaudmez> Kilos: my desk bro, my desk
[08:08] <Kilos> ai!
[08:08] <arnaudmez> No means nothing bro
[08:08] <Kilos> stop fiddling with things
[08:09] <arnaudmez> The weekend was "pleasurized"
[08:09] <Kilos> you broke nothing?
[08:09] <arnaudmez> I wasn't even connected for the whole weekend !
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:09] <arnaudmez> Just I discovered a really good IRC app that i'm only trying now
[08:10] <arnaudmez> and it's very lekker bro !
[08:10]  * mazal munces milk tart and chocolate cake for breakfast
[08:10] <Kilos> what app arnaudmez
[08:12] <arnaudmez> Quassel IRC
[08:12] <Kilos> oh half our guys use it
[08:14] <mazal> OS it runs on ?
[08:14] <Kilos> comes in kde
[08:14] <Kilos> you have it there already  mazal
[08:15] <magespawn> mazal: most of them and there is also one for android
[08:15] <magespawn> arnaudmez: are you using the all in one or are the server and client seperate?
[08:15] <mazal> Oh ok , on K I use konversation
[08:16] <Kilos> thats because you listen to me
[08:16] <mazal> eventually
[08:16] <Kilos> quassel is good if you want fone and everything to use one nick or something
[08:18] <magespawn> there are other ways of doing but quassel is nice
[08:18] <mazal> I am too old school for smart phones
[08:18] <Kilos> i couldnt make it bloep
[08:18] <mazal> I still do pc stuff on pc
[08:19] <arnaudmez> magespawn: I'm just trying it now and it looks very good client compared to what I've seen up to now !
[08:19] <arnaudmez> Kilos: I don't use K but Gnome
[08:20] <Kilos> ya K is for Klever
[08:20] <Kilos> hehe
[08:20] <mazal> lol
[08:21] <arnaudmez> Kilos: clever you said ?
[08:21] <Kilos> yes with K
[08:21] <arnaudmez> come to gnome my bro, just come
[08:21] <arnaudmez> ahahahahah
[08:21] <mazal> Now that was a lekker breakfast , back to GT6
[08:21] <Kilos> nono, i still have 12.04
[08:24] <magespawn> arnaudmez: there is a server component to quassel that allows you to install it on a web server, your client then connects to it, which basiclly means that you never log out of the room and never miss a message
[08:24] <Kilos> arnaudmez  once used to kde , its like a step backwards to go back to gnome
[08:26] <magespawn> any way have to go, chat later
[08:26] <Kilos> go well magespawn
[08:31] <arnaudmez> that a good functionality
[08:37] <pieter2627> morning all
[08:38] <arnaudmez> morning pieter2627
[08:39] <arnaudmez> guys i want to know how can I manage my iphone 5 from Linux
[08:39] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[08:41]  * pieter2627 now wonders whether arnaudmez is a new or old guy
[08:41] <Kilos> he is in brazaville
[08:41] <arnaudmez> old but wish to know new things
[08:41] <Kilos> pops in every now and again
[08:41] <Kilos> normally when he breaks something
[08:41] <Kilos> hehe
[08:42] <pieter2627> ah, so that what breakage causes him to pop out again :p
[08:43] <arnaudmez> pieter2627: Kilos not at all
[08:43] <arnaudmez> I like to chat with Kilos
[08:44] <arnaudmez> he always look after my keyboard to make sure i don't break something !
[08:44] <pieter2627> lol
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[09:18] <arnaudmez> Tell me Kilos
[09:18] <arnaudmez> is uGet working fine on your side ?
[09:19] <Kilos> i have never used it arnaudmez
[09:19] <arnaudmez> ok
[09:20] <arnaudmez> just giving it a try now
[09:20] <Kilos> what does it do
[09:39] <Kilos> hahaha Eskom is about to launch the NoWeb: you sit in front of the computer, stare at the switched-off screen for 2.5 hours, and pay them a premium for the service.
[09:41] <MaNI> sounds about right
[09:44] <Cryterion> lol
[09:46] <Kilos> so does using tor use more data ?
[09:46] <MaNI> yes
[09:47] <Kilos> ty not for me then
[09:47] <MaNI> you are basically forwarding other peoples traffic around, so that they and you can be anonymous
[09:47] <MaNI> this has to come at a cost :)
[09:48] <MaNI> especially if you are an endpoint
[09:48] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[09:48] <Padroni> hola
[09:49] <MaNI> you can limit it though apparently https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#LimitTotalBandwidth
[09:49] <Padroni> superfly here?
[09:49] <Kilos> ya just seems busy
[09:49] <Kilos> still
[09:59] <Padroni> so then
[09:59] <Padroni> game of thrones S05 came to an end
[09:59] <Padroni> I have yet to watch it
[09:59] <Padroni> so no spoilers please
[09:59] <Padroni> on pain of death, I might add
[10:03] <MaNI> ergh, seasons too short and gap in between so long :p
[10:06] <Padroni> ikr ?
[10:06] <Padroni> anyway - I am off to go study
[10:06] <Padroni> laters, folks
[10:29] <Kilos> sjoe peeps are funny
[10:30] <Kilos> sis thought her longs were getting shorter, then found that as she gets broader the legs get shorter
[10:46] <MaNI> wow, I can't believe I can't easily find a local retailer that stocks basic industry standard DC jacks
[11:00] <Kilos> oh my
[11:30] <Kilos> MaNI  what do they look like
[11:30] <Kilos> same as a lappy power jack?
[11:38] <Kilos> show me a picture then i can think about what is needed
[11:43] <MaNI> yeah it is a laptop jack basically
[11:44] <Kilos> ask here http://www.hkcomputers.co.za/laptop-repair.html
[11:44] <MaNI> https://www.google.com/search?biw=1120&bih=508&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=7.4+5mm+dc+power+jack&oq=7.4+5mm+dc+power+jack&gs_l=img.3...2675.2843.0.29<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.img..2.0.0.oqMjksLEfOg
[11:45] <MaNI> mm yeah I'll give them a try
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly here?
[12:03] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: sortof
[12:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure if I'm thinking of someone else, but did you say a while ago you had a pet corn snake?
[12:04] <superfly> yes
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> what does it cost to feed per month roughly?
[12:06] <superfly> depends on what you feed it. I feed him rats, which are about R12 each, and I feed him 2 every 2 weeks.
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool and what other running costs are involved?
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> heating i guess?
[12:07] <superfly> yes, heating, and your license
[12:07] <superfly> er, permit
[12:07] <superfly> which is about R100 every 2-3 years, I think.
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh that's negligible
[12:07] <superfly> I can't remember what the latest is
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> does the heater run peridically or full time and do you know offhand what the wattage of a typical one is?
[12:09] <superfly> Mine is just a plug hanging out the back of the tank. plug it in and it's on.
[12:10] <superfly> You only need it in winter, when the weather is cooler
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> you just plug it in for a few hours at a time or does it run all winter?
[12:34] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: mine runs all winter. I haven't noticed it actually using a significant amount of electricity
[12:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok thanks
[12:37] <superfly> The only other things you need to do are take the snake out at least once a week (they need to be handled often to remain tame), check water bowl about twice a week, and clean out the vivarium (which can be a little yucky, but it's not a lot of work)
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> what else do you put in with him? sticks and rocks and stuff or not really that kind of stuff?
[12:47] <superfly> We have a branch, some rocks and a house. The house is pretty essential, the branch not so much.
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks for all the info :)
[13:09] <Kilos> so! we into 1 hour shedding now as well
[13:14] <Kilos> time to tweet tsane and ask where to claim for damaged drives
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> not load shedding, must be a local issue
[13:15] <Kilos> eish
[13:54] <inetpro> can't we build a world wide grid for electricity like we have for the web?
[13:54] <inetpro> have it powered from sunshine around the clock
[13:54] <Kilos> +1
[13:55] <MaNI> electricity transport losses are large :p
[13:56] <inetpro> MaNI: fix it!
[13:56] <Kilos> lol
[13:56] <MaNI> what makes far more sense in my opinion is to have a lot of smaller grids, each with centralized mechanical storage
[13:56] <Kilos> we are all too far apart
[13:56] <MaNI> e.g. the whole of capetown could pump solar into a cape town grid during the day
[13:57] <MaNI> excess power could feed th e helderberg pump storage system, and at night that could generate power for the cape town grid
[13:57] <Kilos> many batteries and inverters needed unless you convert everything to 12v
[13:57] <MaNI> (or a fly wheel, or molten salt, or some other fancy mechanical power storage)
[13:57] <MaNI> no batteries at all :p
[13:57] <Kilos> how do you store dc?
[13:57] <Kilos> batteries
[13:58] <inetpro> MaNI: I like your idea
[13:58] <Kilos> ac cannot be stored
[13:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you can store water
[13:58] <MaNI> it can, its jsut difficult
[13:58] <MaNI> see pump storage and this other thingy let me find a link
[13:58] <MaNI> http://www.gizmag.com/ares-rail-energy-storage/28395/
[13:59] <Kilos> let me see that in my google free browser
[13:59] <MaNI> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity <- we already have a few of these for peak demand they work really well
[14:00] <MaNI> the problem is that suitable sites for pump storage are limited
[14:00] <Kilos> oh i see
[14:01] <MaNI> but yeah mechanical storage works in principal, its just not affordable or practical for individuals
[14:01] <Kilos> it would take much water to drive turbines
[14:01] <MaNI> which is why I think mini grids with everyone pooling in for a central mechanical storage system makes sense (for small industry and homes) - large industry must just provide their own power
[14:01] <inetpro> ai!
[14:02] <MaNI> the ares thing is a rather nifty alternative :p
[14:02] <Kilos> if someone can work out a way to store ac that would be wonderful
[14:05] <inetpro> Kilos: or figure out how to transport it cheaply over long distances
[14:05] <MaNI> basically it uses the AC power to push really heavy railway cars up a steep track, and then when power is required they come down slowly in reverse with a sort of regenerative braking technology to generate the AC back
[14:06] <Kilos> we must also follow minetest and use wind towers
[14:06] <Kilos> i dont know ct well but pe blows most of the time
[14:07] <Kilos> ct  should be good too following the weather liars info
[14:07] <MaNI> heh, I don't think long distance transport is a reasonably solvable thing, I mean I guess we could position mirrors in orbit and just make it daylight all the time or something :p
[14:07] <Kilos> lol i use mirrors to shine sunlight into my room for warmth
[14:08] <MaNI> ct gets strong wind but its only for parts of the year, and very gusty, apparently gusty wind isn't that great for turbines :p
[14:11] <Kilos> hi solidity
[14:11] <solidity> hallo
[14:12] <solidity> gaanit?
[14:13] <Kilos> goed dankie, en self?
[14:13] <solidity> kan nie kla nie
[14:13] <Kilos> haha ek kan baie kla maar niemand luister nie
[14:14] <solidity> ag almal kan kla
[14:14] <solidity> byvoorbeeld: Ai tog, hoekom kla almal die heeltyd?
[14:14] <solidity> :P
[14:14] <Kilos> lol
[14:24] <inetpro> solidity: ons kla nie, ons soek oplossings
[14:25] <inetpro> MaNI: but why do they have to patent something like the ARES project?
[14:26] <Kilos> so thers cant steal your income
[14:26] <MaNI> because they want to make money :p
[14:26] <Kilos> others
[14:26] <inetpro> but see, there's one big problem that we need to solve somehow
[14:26] <MaNI> that said the current patent system is broken
[14:26] <MaNI> I'm not against patents, I'm against the current system
[14:26] <solidity> oh boy, here we go~
[14:27] <MaNI> ;)
[14:28] <inetpro> solidity: see ARES system to put energy storage on the right track http://www.gizmag.com/ares-rail-energy-storage/28395/
[14:28] <inetpro> a charge/discharge efficiency of 86 percent
[14:28] <MaNI> patents should expire much quicker
[14:28]  * inetpro likes it
[14:28] <inetpro> MaNI: true that
[14:28] <MaNI> 75% would be enough honestly
[14:29] <MaNI> efficiency that is
[14:29] <MaNI> price is more important
[14:29] <inetpro> what's the efficiency of hydro?
[14:30] <MaNI> pumped storage, not sure
[14:30] <inetpro> yes pumped storage, sorry
[14:31] <Kilos> hydro very efficient as long as there arent droughts
[14:31] <MaNI> 70-80 apparently
[14:31] <inetpro> Kilos: wait until you see this video: https://vimeo.com/75895781
[14:31] <inetpro> a very clever idea
[14:31] <MaNI> honestly even 60 would be good at the right price range/scalability :/
[14:32] <Kilos> no man vida eat data
[14:32] <inetpro> oops... sorry oom
[14:32] <MaNI> its more about shifting power from one time to another than about being 100% efficient
[14:32] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <Kilos> np
[14:32] <MaNI> though better efficiency is a bonus :p
[14:33] <Kilos> what ever happened to cabora basa
[14:33] <Kilos> forget spelling
[14:33] <MaNI> the dam is about to collapse
[14:33] <Kilos> eish
[14:33] <MaNI> big controversy
[14:34] <MaNI> we still import power from it AFAIK
[14:34] <inetpro> Cahora-Bassa (previously spelled Cabora Bassa)
[14:34] <MaNI> it's interesting because its one of the few long distance power lines in the world using DC
[14:35] <MaNI> or was don't know anymore I should read up on it
[14:37] <Kilos> old za pumped millions into that
[14:38] <MaNI> ahh it's kariba dam wall thats collapsing - but Cabora Bassa will be destroyed in the aftermath :p
[14:38] <Kilos> eish
[14:39] <MaNI> hopefully it won't get to that
[14:49] <MaNI> I wonder why Ingula is never mentioned in the media
[14:49] <Kilos> whats that
[14:50] <MaNI> it is a new 1500 mw pumped storage plant that is also overdue :p - media only ever medupi and kesile (sp?)
[14:51] <Kilos> lol
[14:51] <Kilos> maybe they want to see if it can work
[14:52] <MaNI> we already have 1mw (drakensberg pump storage) and 400mw (palmiet pumped storage) so its not like the technology is in doubt :p
[14:52] <Kilos> aha
[14:53] <MaNI> its part of the reason they were shedding us only on weekends at a point, fill the dams as much as possible over the weekends and then try meet peak during the week with it
[14:54] <Kilos> ah
[14:55] <Kilos> we also need to dam up lotsa deep valleys
[14:55] <Kilos> water is become scarce
[14:55] <MaNI> yeah suitable sites for pumped storage are  unfortunately limited
[14:55] <Kilos> im just talking about water storage now
[14:56] <MaNI> but ingula would help with current problems thats why I'm wondering why there is complete silence on it :p
[14:56] <MaNI> heh yeah, water storage is our next problem :(
[14:59] <solidity> Dam them all! Them them all to heck!
[14:59] <solidity> Dam*
[14:59] <solidity> damnit
[14:59] <Kilos> damn
[15:00] <Kilos> big dam full and little damn fool too
[15:03] <MaNI> heh
[15:04] <MaNI> nuclear plants are great at desalinating salt water :p
[15:09] <Kilos> wow
[15:09] <Kilos> then you get clean water?
[15:10] <MaNI> yeah
[15:10] <Kilos> its just used for cooloing right?
[15:10] <Kilos> cooling
[15:10] <MaNI> but people are too scared of nuclear to see the benefit
[15:10] <Kilos> where does all the salt go
[15:10] <MaNI> yeah cooling
[15:10] <MaNI> but its a separate loop, so it doesn't go through the reactor
[15:11] <MaNI> like theres an internal cooling loop, and then the outer desalanation loop cools the inner loop, safer :p
[15:11] <Kilos> im convinced nuke is the way to go
[15:11] <MaNI> the salt I guess they package and sell it in supermarkets IDK :p
[15:11] <Kilos> lol
[15:12] <MaNI> I've always been a nuclear fan but I don't think the masses will ever allow it :( - and that said the current russian deal is probably a giant rip off filled with backhanders
[15:16] <Kilos> yeah
[15:21] <MaNI> so I'm excited that we may finally go nuclear but at the same time upset that its probably going to be a disaster, very conflicted
[15:22] <MaNI> the anti nuclear people are abusing the fact that it's a dodgy deal to try tarnish nuclear in general, it's annoying
[15:22] <MaNI> ergh anyway let me go do some work :p
[15:23] <Kilos> the ruskies must just bring their own labour
[16:04] <Kilos> hi rusbus
[16:04] <rusbus> o/
[16:08] <Kilos> see i didnt forget you are in toti
[16:08] <rusbus> sies
[16:08] <rusbus> you forgot me
[16:08] <rusbus> after we became chilibros
[16:08] <Kilos> no man
[16:09] <Kilos> i only forgot that it wasnt someone else in toti
[16:10] <rusbus> we were chilibros... and you forgot me...
[16:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:12] <Kilos> im old man i forget los
[16:12] <Kilos> lots
[16:13] <Kilos> and we can only be bros once you have made my curry
[16:13] <rusbus> OH BUT I HAVE, GOOD SIR
[16:13] <rusbus> you underestimate my affinity for a good curry!
[16:14] <Kilos> well then you forgot me , because i got no feedback
[16:14] <rusbus> I was gonna tell you two days ago
[16:14] <rusbus> but you forgot me
[16:14] <rusbus> so I was like
[16:14] <Kilos> rofl
[16:14] <rusbus> let me not bother this old man :p
[16:14] <Kilos> its fine i wont give you my other secrets
[16:14] <rusbus> >:(
[16:15] <Kilos> i make a great garlic and chilli source
[16:15] <rusbus> I just so happen to love garlic :D
[16:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:23] <Kilos> oh there was another free server thing for a year
[16:23] <Kilos> ec2
[16:23] <Kilos> dunno if it still has that offer
[16:23] <rusbus> it's not a proper year
[16:23] <rusbus> in normal time sense
[16:24] <rusbus> I think it's about CPU cycles
[16:24] <rusbus> but still good, nontheless
[16:24] <Kilos> haha that was posted in the wrong channel
[16:24] <Kilos> i get so mixed up
[16:25] <rusbus> well I hope my input has enriched your conversation
[16:25] <Kilos> lol yeah ty
[16:25] <Kilos> the pro uses it
[16:26] <Kilos> got my bot there
[16:38] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[16:39] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[16:41] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[16:41] <Tonberry> hi
[17:45] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:00] <smile> Kilos: ping
[18:00] <smile> :p
[18:01] <Kilos> smile  pong
[18:02] <smile> Kilos: pong pong
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <smile> I cleaned up my e-mail today :D
[18:03] <smile> 2200 messages less :P
[18:03] <Kilos> i dont even want to see mine
[18:03] <Kilos> 5 g on one account
[18:10] <smile> Kilos: :P
[18:11] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: ping
[18:12] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: http://pasteboard.co/1fjWztpq.jpg
[18:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool :)
[18:35] <superfly> Nothing fancy
[18:35] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: Do you know how the permitting works?
[18:36] <superfly> Also, do you know where to get rats/mice from and how big they should be?
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> I haven't looked into the permits
[18:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's a shop near me that sells all the food and accessories
[18:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.facebook.com/ReptileGarden
[18:50] <superfly> You need a permit to move the snake (you need to get it before you can buy the snake), and then once you have the snake at home you need to apply for the actual permit, and they like to come and do a home visit.
[18:52] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: ah great. they look like they know what they're doing.
[18:53] <superfly> There used to be a pet store in Durbanville that I bought from occasionally.
[19:03] <smile> bye :)
[19:03] <Kilos> toods smile
[19:03] <smile> good night! :)
[19:03] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:03] <smile> thanks, you too
[19:03] <smile> :
[19:03] <smile> * :)
[19:03] <Kilos> ty
[19:10] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:26] <magespawn> good evening
[19:29] <magespawn> brb
[19:38] <magespawn> back
[19:58] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[19:58] <inetpro> magespawn: I almost uninstalled gridwatch yesterday
[19:59] <inetpro> otherwise looks like a useful app
[20:04] <inetpro> wb georgelappies
[20:12] <smile> :-D
[20:17] <magespawn> ty inetpro
[20:17] <magespawn> why uninstall?
[20:18] <inetpro> magespawn: they were spamming us yesterday
[20:18] <smile|NaN> Just making sure I am not a number. ;-)
[20:19] <magespawn> aahh right, that would be a good reason to get rid of it
[20:19] <inetpro> magespawn: was like one moment loadshedding was suspended only for it to start the next... rinse and repeat several times
[20:19] <magespawn> ahh aybe they had some other issues
[20:19] <magespawn> maybe too
[20:19] <inetpro> yep, fortunately got sorted quickly
[20:21] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks for the hint
[20:21] <magespawn> about grid watch
[20:21] <magespawn> ?
[20:21] <inetpro> yeah
[20:22] <magespawn> pleasure
[20:23] <inetpro> just makes life a little easier if you get a warning ahead of time
[20:24] <magespawn> yup no need to check the website all the tie
[20:24] <magespawn> time
[20:24] <magespawn> looks like the m key is sticky
[20:24] <inetpro> :-)
[21:18] <smile|NaN> Just press it hard
[21:18] <smile|NaN> It will come back to life
[21:22] <magespawn> yes it does
[21:22] <smile|NaN> Slaapwel :)
[21:24] <magespawn> you too smile
[21:24] <smile|NaN> Thanks
[22:30] <magespawn> good night