[07:43] <bob2> xskoulax: no one can help with a question like that.  you need to say what thing you thinkg is broken, what you think it should be doing, and what it actualy is.  and everything you did to get it that way.
[07:44] <rancoras> tryin to decide now whether or not to pollute this very nice gnome with a kde app....K3B is a hard burning app to beat
[07:44] <xskoulax> bob2 i know thats where places like this channel really come into their own
[07:44] <bob2> xskoulax: yeah, but you need to form your question so that people can help you more easily.
[07:45] <bob2> xskoulax: it is highly annoying when someone comes in and says "my sound is broken!", etc.
[07:45] <Lathiat> rancoras: It's good, but for most purposes nautilus cd burning stuff is fine (excepting audio cds)
[07:45] <tux2furious> what is the cd burning software in ubuntu?
[07:45] <bob2> nautilus.
[07:45] <rancoras> Lathiat: yup, I do more of those and vcd than anything....I guess I could get by with the cli apps....but a gui is much nicer to work with
[07:46] <Lathiat> rancoras: ahh ok, in that case, yeh
[07:46] <attitude> thanks for the help
[07:47] <rancoras> gnome needs a K3B ----bad
[07:48] <tux2furious> anyone?
[07:48] <Lathiat> rancoras: ones being worked on, coaster or something i think its called, no idea what it supports?
[07:48] <xskoulax> tux2furious: you can burn with nautalus
[07:49] <xskoulax> that might be for data only, not sure
[07:49] <rancoras> tux2furious: nautilus will do basic data discs and isos
[07:50] <Lathiat> it does isos and basic data file disks
[07:50] <tux2furious> ic
[07:50] <xskoulax> what do you need to burn tux2furious
[07:50] <tux2furious> ubuntu is clean
[07:50] <tux2furious> but maybe too clean
[07:50] <tux2furious> flash, java, codec, etc not there
[07:50] <tux2furious> can't play dvd mp3
[07:51] <xskoulax> well they have restrictive licences
[07:51] <wm_eddie> tux2furious: AFAIK only Gentoo has that kind of stuff.
[07:51] <tux2furious> it's basically not out of the box
[07:51] <rancoras> there's some nice FAQs for that stuff on www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:51] <xskoulax> no but debians apt-get which ubuntu features makes getting stuff very easy
[07:51] <droogz> still cant get it to work
[07:51] <droogz> i was reading stuff
[07:51] <droogz> didnt break it
[07:51] <xskoulax> wb droogz
[07:52] <rancoras> w00t no breakage
[07:52] <droogz> nope
[07:52] <droogz> im about to downgrade to my geforce 4400
[07:52] <droogz> because ati is the devil
[07:52] <xskoulax> if it works isn't it an upgrade?
[07:52] <Poyayan> how do you get it to just use reiser strait away instead of trying ext3 and giving a VFS error?
[07:53] <droogz> hey Poyayan
[07:53] <rancoras> droogz: at least your 3D will work
[07:53] <Poyayan> yes?
[07:53] <droogz> do ydo you have 3d support
[07:53] <droogz> you*
[07:53] <Poyayan> yes
[07:54] <droogz> then dont worie about that
[07:54] <droogz> go play games
[07:54] <sabmoc> ok, totem wont play mpeg's.. thats a weird default behavior
[07:54] <droogz> i cant
[07:54] <droogz> lol
[07:54] <Poyayan> lol
[07:54] <myfology> hello all
[07:54] <Poyayan> ati isn't the best in supporting linux shamefully
[07:55] <Poyayan> I've gotten it to work on slackware but to be honest I'm new to the whole dep thing so I can't really help you much
[07:55] <droogz> i installed everything right
[07:55] <droogz> i got it on slackware
[07:55] <droogz> but games still had bad fps
[07:55] <droogz> but it siad i had 3d support
[07:55] <droogz> lol
[07:56] <Poyayan> yeah but I've gotten pretty bad frame rates with UT2004 even though UT2003 worked fine
[07:56] <tux2furious> wm_eddie, mepis, knoppix has all those stuff
[07:56] <rancoras> droogz: I still think it's the nvidia chipset and the radeon not liking each other
[07:56] <Poyayan> I wonder if it's the new drivers
[07:56] <tux2furious> something wrong here... seems lag
[07:56] <droogz> i think windows is GOD
[07:56] <droogz> lol
[07:56] <sabmoc> how do i get mpeg to work?
[07:56] <droogz> joking
[07:57] <droogz> does linux need codecs
[07:57] <wm_eddie> tux2furious: check out this sources.list http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[07:57] <Tenniru> Once again, I need help.
[07:57] <rancoras> sabmoc: did you try totem-xine?
[07:57] <Tenniru> Those four other desktops I can switch to...
[07:57] <Tenniru> The thing that lets me switch between them has disappeared.
[07:57] <Poyayan> I think windows is better for gaming and will be until ATI and nvidia are forced to actually write good drivers for linux
[07:57] <sabmoc> rancoras, i tried playing it in totem if thats what you mean, yes
[07:57] <Poyayan> they both kinda half ass it but ati more so
[07:57] <wm_eddie> Tenniru: right click on the panel and select add to panel...
[07:58] <rancoras> sabmoc: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[07:58] <Tenniru> Ah. There it is.
[07:58] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[07:59] <rancoras> Tenniru: it's called the pager BTW
[07:59] <droogz> ati needs to take the dicks out there asses and make some good drivers for linux
[07:59] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[07:59] <wm_eddie> Nvidia and ATI need to make GPL drivers is what they need to do...
[07:59] <wm_eddie> damn them and their proprietary bull...
[08:00] <myfology> have you tried mplayer?
[08:00] <sabmoc> rancoras, totem-gstreamer is installed and i guess thats what i was using, but i noticed libxine wasnt installed, so i installed that but still mpeg's wont work.
[08:01] <Poyayan> well that's not going to happen wm_eddie
[08:01] <Poyayan> at least not anytime soon ...
[08:01] <sabmoc> wm_eddie, actually it could happen, but not by nvidia or ati
[08:01] <Poyayan> I wish they would
[08:01] <rancoras> sabmoc: just for giggles, try uninstalling totem-gstreamer and installing totem-xine from universe
[08:01] <wm_eddie> They can but they are being stupid about it.
[08:01] <myfology> sabmoc, I d/l mplayer and and compiled from source
[08:01] <myfology> works great
[08:01] <rancoras> sabmoc: mplayer is good too
[08:02] <wm_eddie> they have a small group of at most 8 people working over time, just to create the POS drivers they have out now.
[08:02] <Poyayan> wrong window to close the tab in
[08:02] <rancoras> sabmoc: there's a good howto on www.ubuntuforums.org for mplayer
[08:02] <wm_eddie> If it was GPL, they'd have Hundreds.
[08:02] <sabmoc> rancoras, when i search the datebase in synaptic there is no totem-xine
[08:02] <myfology> I'm pretty much a nub to linux, so I went to the forum and followed inst.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[08:02] <rancoras> sabmoc: do you have universe enabled?
[08:02] <sabmoc> no idea, what is that?
[08:03] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[08:03] <droogz> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[08:03] <droogz> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  removed 1 reserved context for kernel
[08:03] <droogz> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xf0ac8000 at 0x40233000
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
[08:03] <droogz> (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
[08:03] <droogz> ^ my problem
[08:03] <droogz> big head ach
[08:03] <droogz> no way to fix
[08:03] <rancoras> sabmoc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[08:04] <ctalkep> hi there
[08:04] <sabmoc> rancoras, ok, before i do that, what is universe?
[08:04] <ctalkep> i'm looking for daf
[08:04] <ctalkep> reading this?
[08:05] <rancoras> sabmoc: a repository of unsupported apps from the debian repositories
[08:05] <myfology> go to your synaptic package manager and click on your repositories
[08:05] <bob2> ctalkep: daf's not here at the moment
[08:05] <myfology> and check universe to get from them.
[08:05] <ctalkep> when will he be back?
[08:05] <ctalkep> any idea?
[08:06] <bob2> ctalkep: no idea.
[08:06] <ctalkep> ok, bob2. thanks
[08:06] <myfology> open synaptic,  click settings, click repositories.. then scroll down to the unchecked univers sources, and check it.
[08:06] <myfology> then hit reload, and you'll have access to alot more stuff.
[08:08] <NiteRider> hello
[08:08] <NiteRider> i have a quickie
[08:08] <droogz> raise your hands if i should give up
[08:08] <NiteRider> i'm tryin to install the .bin file for realplayer 10
[08:08] <sabmoc> rancoras, ok, uninstalling totem-gstreamer also wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. That sounds bad.
[08:08] <NiteRider> lol
[08:08] <bob2> sabmoc: no, it's not bad
[08:09] <Poyayan> yeah I did it
[08:09] <myfology> should be just a update to desktop
[08:09] <NiteRider> when it ask about the symbolic links, what should i put there
[08:09] <Poyayan> it doesn't do anything bad
[08:09] <Poyayan> ubuntu-desktop isn't the actual desktop if you are scared of losing it
[08:09] <paulproteus> sabmoc: That package is called a "meta-package".  It's like a label that says, "The full regular ubuntu desktop is installed'.
[08:09] <NiteRider> ubuntu desktop is this months theme
[08:09] <sabmoc> yeah i just read that, ok no prob
[08:09] <Poyayan> it's just a meta-package that has a group of packages
[08:10] <rancoras> NiteRider: no, that's ubuntu calendar
[08:10] <Poyayan> so you select the meta-package all packages in the group are installed
[08:10] <NiteRider> ?..really..ok...sorry i read wrong then
[08:10] <rancoras> heh
[08:11] <NiteRider> no i apologize....i remember now...you are correct...i had an alzheimers moment there
[08:11] <sabmoc> do i have to restart the desktop or anything?
[08:11] <rancoras> nah
[08:11] <Poyayan> no
[08:11] <rancoras> now install totem-xine
[08:11] <bob2> sabmoc: no
[08:12] <NiteRider> about realplayer 10.....plus i gather i can't install mplayer on ubuntu
[08:12] <bob2> NiteRider: you can instakll whatever you want
[08:12] <Poyayan> you can
[08:12] <rancoras> NiteRider: yeah, mplayer works well
[08:12] <Poyayan> it's just not supported
[08:12] <Poyayan> aka they won't guarantee patches or updates
[08:12] <bob2> NiteRider: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:12] <sabmoc> yay :)
[08:12] <NiteRider> nope..i tried mplayer (to really get the plugin) it says...i can't
[08:13] <sabmoc> thx ppl
[08:13] <bob2> NiteRider: no, you mean to say that ubuntu doesn't support mplayer, which is true
[08:13] <rancoras> sabmoc: did it work?
[08:13] <bob2> NiteRider: you can certainly install it, if you tell apt where to get it from.  read  that wiki page.
[08:13] <sabmoc> rancoras, yep
[08:13] <myfology> follow this link, to see ow to do it.. it's in the forums.. you actually compile from sources  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[08:13] <rancoras> great, your welcome
[08:13] <Poyayan> ahh it's bob2 thanks for helping me yesterday
[08:14] <myfology> trust me it works fine.. easy to follow insructions.
[08:14] <sabmoc> rancoras, i had to uninstall libxine1 and uninstall totem-xine, but then i reinstalled them both and it worked find
[08:14] <bob2> ew, forums
[08:14] <sabmoc> fine*
[08:14] <bob2> Poyayan: you'rewelcome.
[08:14] <rancoras> NiteRider: there's even destructions on how to install the plugin
[08:14] <rancoras> sabmoc: good deal
[08:14] <wm_eddie> destructions... hehe.
[08:15] <Poyayan> oh how do I not load the ext modules?
[08:15] <droogz> hey i think i found how to fix ati+nforce+2.6.x kernal
[08:15] <droogz>  It easy to remove this Oops.
[08:15] <droogz> Try edit firegl_public.c, find function _ke_amd_adv_spec_cache_feature .... In this function, comment all what is in her body and write only one line: "return 0". This is safe, because this function is used only on kernel < 2.4.18.
[08:15] <droogz> Than recompile driver fglrx.
[08:15] <droogz> This helps me boot in GUI with 3Dacceleration on kernel 2.6, no Oops no errors.
[08:15] <droogz> I hope, that I help you.
[08:15] <goatboy> myfology: you don't have to compile it, it's packaged in multiverse.
[08:15] <Poyayan> they just sit there and do nothing all day
[08:15] <NiteRider> super...thanks
[08:15] <myfology> multiverse?
[08:15] <rancoras> droogz: so do it and let up know
[08:15] <bob2> Poyayan: you can't
[08:15] <bob2> Poyayan: but it doesn't matter.
[08:15] <bob2> myfology: read the wiki.
[08:15] <myfology> is that different from the universe repository?
[08:15] <Poyayan> ah ok
[08:15] <myfology> ah
[08:15] <bob2> droogz: can you put that in the wiki?
[08:16] <myfology> tanks
[08:16] <bob2> myfology: yes, it's for non-free stuff
[08:16] <rancoras> myfology: yes, it's non-free stuff
[08:16] <rancoras> dammit
[08:16] <rancoras> heh
[08:16] <droogz> i have no idea what its telling me because im a noob
[08:16] <NiteRider> thanks everyone...catcha all soon
[08:16] <droogz> but that guy fixed the error with that
[08:16] <sabmoc> nite
[08:16] <Poyayan> my partition is in reiser so when I load up it first tries to use ext3 and gives a VFS error is there any way to prevent that?
[08:17] <bob2> Poyayan: but then it mounts it fine?
[08:17] <Poyayan> yeah
[08:17] <rancoras> droogz: link me that....I wanna read it
[08:17] <Poyayan> just shows an error which doesn't mean anything but ...
[08:17] <droogz> http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1685
[08:18] <rancoras> thx
[08:18] <Poyayan> if you want the exact error then I can reboot and write it down
[08:19] <rancoras> droogz: you'll need the source to the fglrx driver, edit that file with what he tells you and recompile the driver
[08:20] <droogz> :/
[08:20] <rancoras> droogz: or first, do a search on your system for that file
[08:20] <bob2> you can't get the driver source, you can only get the wrapper source
[08:20] <droogz> can some 1 hook me up
[08:20] <rancoras> we can't do it for you
[08:20] <droogz> y not
[08:20] <dukeku> run sudo updatedb
[08:20] <dukeku> and then locate filename
[08:21] <rancoras> consider it a learning experience
[08:21] <droogz> a very bad 1
[08:21] <rancoras> it's only what you make of it
[08:21] <bob2> it's only a problem if you want to use the binary-only drivers
[08:21] <droogz> its a 2 year long bad experience
[08:22] <bob2> feel free to complain to ATI about their poor support
[08:22] <rancoras> and I can't do it for you because I run nvidia and fglrx might break my working 3D
[08:22] <rancoras> :P
[08:22] <droogz> well ill be back in 20 min or so im going to put in my geforce 4400
[08:23] <bob2> droogz: you can ask that the patch be added to the firegl paclages so you don't need to do it yourself
[08:23] <Poyayan> you know I get much faster frame rates when I don't remove the GLcore and dri lines from my XF86Config-4 file
[08:23] <rancoras> bob2: should that still go in the wiki?  without testing it?
[08:25] <Tenniru> I'm messed up again. I can't find the minimized windows!
[08:27] <rancoras> Tenniru: same process as before but add the task list this time
[08:27] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[08:27] <Tenniru> I'm a real newbie. I was using MacOS X a few hours ago.
[08:27] <rancoras> Tenniru: just outta curiosity why are u losing your panel applets?
[08:27] <Tenniru> Still do on my G4, but the old iBook is too slow to do anything but BSD or UNIX.
[08:27] <Tenniru> I have no idea.
[08:27] <Tenniru> I was changing themes...
[08:28] <droogz> ok now ill be back in 20
[08:28] <droogz> i spilt a pop
[08:28] <droogz> lol
[08:29] <Tenniru> Uh... by UNIX I meant Linux. OS X is just BSD with a few layers on it...
[08:29] <Tenniru> And too bloated for an old G3.
[08:30] <Tenniru> Uh... task manager. Can't find it.
[08:30] <bob2> how old a g3?
[08:30] <Tenniru> It was there! But I changed themes, and...
[08:31] <Tenniru> G3 500mhz, 192 mb RAM.
[08:31] <Tenniru> mid-2001 iBook.
[08:31] <bob2> Tenniru: right click on your pannel.  choose "add to panel". click "window list". click "add"
[08:31] <bob2> er, tons of people run os X on mid-2001 hardware...
[08:31] <Tenniru> Oh. I already did that.
[08:31] <Tenniru> Yeah, they do, but with more RAM.
[08:32] <Tenniru> Which I don't really have the money to pay for.
[08:32] <rancoras> bob2: you think that file firegl_public.c comes with the binary fglrx driver?
[08:32] <Tenniru> I already use the Window List.
[08:32] <Tenniru> I just remember, upon minimization, a windows-esque thing on a taskbar.
[08:33] <bob2> Tenniru: erm, so what is your question?
[08:33] <twitchgame> hmm. shouldn't ubuntu boot into gdm/gnome/etc ...?
[08:33] <Tenniru> How do I get that thing back.
[08:33] <bob2> rancoras: I'd assume so...nvidia ships a very thin source layer so their binary blobs can be used by more than a single kernel release.
[08:33] <rancoras> twitchgame: yes, it should
[08:33] <bob2> Tenniru: the window list?
[08:34] <Tenniru> I know, but a while back when I installed it I minimized and got a windows-esque taskbar thing. It's gone now.
[08:34] <Tenniru> I have to select it through the Window List menu.
[08:34] <twitchgame> rancoras: i just installed it and .. well .. it doesn't seem like any gnome stuff is installed at all.
[08:34] <duke|ib> yay for ppc
[08:34] <Tenniru> Indeed
[08:35] <bob2> Tenniru: that applet is called "window selector".
[08:35] <rancoras> twitchgame: what happens on bootup?  just a command line interface?
[08:35] <twitchgame> rancoras: yeah
[08:35] <Tenniru> 4 GPRs good! 14 GPRs better!
[08:35] <Tenniru> Window selector. Thanks.
[08:35] <bob2> "gpr"?
[08:35] <rancoras> twitchgame: any errors saying that X can't start?
[08:36] <twitchgame> X starts if i just do "X" .. there's no startx script...
[08:36] <Tenniru> Just some thing I heard referring to PPC.
[08:36] <bob2> twitchgame: yes there is.
[08:36] <twitchgame> not on my system
[08:36] <bob2> oh, gpr = general-purpose-register.
[08:36] <Tenniru> Quoting George Orwell and General Purpose Registers... yeah.
[08:36] <twitchgame> maybe i just need to run the install again
[08:38] <bob2> twitchgame: did you do a clean install?
[08:38] <twitchgame> bob2: yup
[08:38] <twitchgame> just ran it through with defaults
[08:38] <bob2> then I can't imagine how you don't have it...
[08:38] <bob2> does gdm start up?
[08:38] <twitchgame> bob2: no, just command line
[08:39] <twitchgame> i'll try reinstalling and pay more attention to it
[08:39] <bob2> um, that's very weird.
[08:40] <twitchgame> rather
[08:40] <twitchgame> k well ... lemme run this through again
[08:42] <rancoras> very odd
[08:44] <rancoras> I guess I need to play in the sandbox a while on the wiki....my entry looks like crap   heh
[08:48] <rancoras> ah heck, too much for my tired head....maybe later
[08:48] <burnboy> anyone have any experience with nfs?
[09:03] <intersidereal> hello
[09:04] <ficusplanet> hey.
[09:04] <intersidereal> This is the quietest IRC I've ever been in
[09:05] <ficusplanet> Yeah, #ubuntu is normally really active, but it seems everyone is off celebrating the new release this weekend or something.
[09:05] <Lathiat> heh
[09:05] <intersidereal> ah
[09:05] <Lathiat> Anyone know alinux program thatl take a bunch of images and lay them out nicely on a number of pages?
[09:06] <burnboy> yeah i'm celebrating by being SSHed into my box from work...at 2 A.M.
[09:06] <Lathiat> (its for print, so not like a webpage)
[09:06] <ficusplanet> gnome-photo-printer
[09:06] <Lathiat> im gonna get a big fat package from ubuntu with cds heh
[09:06] <intersidereal> well I just finished installing ubuntu
[09:06] <intersidereal> I'm digging it so far
[09:06] <cef> me, I'm eating toast and making a chocolate & honey milkshake
[09:07] <Lathiat> haha cef
[09:07] <burnboy> at the computer? what a feat
[09:07] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, It's in Universe, so it should be easy to install
[09:07] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: ah ok
[09:07] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: but i dont want it like pritned straight out, need it like to insert into a desktop publishing document
[09:07] <Lathiat> its basically photos of a class at school, need for the school yearbook
[09:08] <cef> Lathiat: I was tempted to order 5000 cd's.. but in the end I decided for less
[09:08] <ficusplanet> Ah, maybe you could use GNOME Photo Printer to print to postscript and work from there.
[09:08] <Lathiat> cef: im getting 100 x86, 20 ppc and 20 x86-64
[09:08] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: thatd work
[09:08] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: thanks
[09:08] <Lathiat> cef: think i should get more?
[09:08] <Lathiat> gonna give a pile out at our next lug meetings and stuff
[09:09] <cef> Lathiat: heh
[09:09] <hazmat> 20 ppc.. that would be interesting
[09:09] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Yeah, looking at GNOME Photo Printer now there are options to print to PDF or PostScript.
[09:09] <Lathiat> sweet
[09:09] <Lathiat> the next problem will be making it CMYK
[09:09] <cef> least I've figured out a way to get the dual opteron to install properly now.. *sigh*
[09:10] <Lathiat> cef: heh
[09:10] <Lathiat> cef: how many 'd you order?
[09:10] <cef> Lathiat: not enough.. about 150 I think
[09:12] <dasmi> Tomorrow I switch to Ubuntu.
[09:13] <cef> Lathiat: been thinking about t-shirts all day.. it's weird.. I've got all these ideas for ubuntu t-shirts floating around in my head
[09:13] <dasmi> Are there shirts yet/
[09:13] <dasmi> ?
[09:13] <cef> not afaik
[09:13] <Lathiat> cef: mm if you make up some logos ill press some
[09:13] <dasmi> You know what, Blackened is a crappy client. I'll be right back with irssi
[09:13] <cef> something I think may need to be rectified
[09:13] <Lathiat> heh sdf.lonestar.org
[09:13] <Lathiat> havent seen that for a while
[09:14] <Lathiat> surprised it still exists
[09:14] <cef> Lathiat: using the usual ubuntu logo is easy enuff.. but stuff to go around it (text mainly).. all sorts of ideas floating in my head
[09:14] <cef> Lathiat: just committing some of them to a text editor *grin*
[09:14] <dasmi> better. much better.
[09:14] <dasmi> So, no shirts yet?
[09:15] <intersidereal> hey I was was curious if anyone could tell me how to set up a root password
[09:15] <intersidereal> I feel I missed somthing in the install
[09:15] <intersidereal> nevermind sorry I asked before looking around
[09:15] <intersidereal> thanks
[09:15] <dasmi> :)
[09:15] <cef> intersidereal: there is no root passowrd.. use 'sudo'
[09:16] <dasmi> I'm not convinced I like that yet.
[09:16] <Lathiat> i do
[09:16] <Lathiat> i love it
[09:16] <ficusplanet> I love it, too.  In combonation with GNOME keyring it means that I only have one password to remember in day-to-day use.
[09:16] <dasmi> Better be a secure password then.
[09:17] <Mr_Smiley> what is GNOME keyring?
[09:18] <Treenaks> Mr_Smiley: it's a program that remembers your passwords for you,and you only have to remember one password (the one that unlocks the keyring)
[09:18] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[09:18] <Mr_Smiley> thanks
[09:18] <ficusplanet> Password management system built into GNOME.  So, for instace, when connecting to an FTP or SSH server with nautilus, I use my keyring password to unlock the share instead of remembering all the individual passwords.
[09:18] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:20] <intersidereal> cef: thanks I figured it out
[09:20] <burnboy> ps...i've managed to skip using sudo altogether
[09:20] <burnboy> i su..not that it's disabled..but what are the benefits of sudo, really?
[09:21] <aj> you can give people limited root access
[09:21] <burnboy> eh..not really beneficial when it's a single user machine i guess
[09:22] <Lathiat> burnboy: theres a numebr of benefits, firstof you only have to type the root password in once every so often, second it reduces the vulerablility of someone remotely brute forcing passwords because they need to know your username and your password and get a shell to run sudo, among other things
[09:23] <Lathiat> its also used alot for just like gksudo <admin util> from the menus
[09:23] <burnboy> i dunno..it just seemed like an extra methodology that i'd have to learn :)
[09:24] <burnboy> i have root login disabled and only certain IPs can SSH in..i guess that's fairly secure
[09:25] <aj> burnboy: you can use it to give programs limited root access too, if you've sandboxed them. sandboxing can be good on a single user machine
[09:25] <l3eg0olas> how do I install ubuntu on a laptop with no CDROM and no floppy drive? Can I do a USB key boot??
[09:26] <Lathiat> burnboy: you can also let it only give you access to certain programs, like i have sudo set to not require a passwor dto run /usr/bin/hibernate to suspend my laptop
[09:26] <Lathiat> but needs a password for everything else
[09:28] <burnboy> see i think i may have screwed it up from the beginning..i didn't know anything about sudo and i was SU'ing in and i thought to myself "it never asked me to set a root password" so now i SUed using my user account password..got in and passwd'ed to a new one...would that screw things up or am i imagining?
[09:28] <Lathiat> burnboy: well you can set a root password and use that, thats fine
[09:28] <Lathiat> no idea how you did it without sudo tho
[09:29] <burnboy> heh
[09:29] <burnboy> maybe i should be worrie d:)
[09:29] <burnboy> yeah that was when the article first came out on Ubuntu..i installed the next day and i've had it since
[09:29] <bern> hey all
[09:29] <burnboy> article on slasdot that is
[09:30] <Lathiat> heh
[09:30] <Lathiat> hmm
[09:30] <burnboy> think it could have been a bug?
[09:30] <bern> anyone know of some good themes?
[09:31] <Lathiat> think im gonna hack up gnome-photo-printer to let you specify the sizes, heh
[09:31] <burnboy> themes for what?
[09:31] <l3eg0olas> Can I boot ubuntu thru a USB key?
[09:31] <Lathiat> l3eg0olas: Probably if you mess around and have a network to install off
[09:32] <intersidereal> bern: I like RelunaBluetiful With suede Icons
[09:32] <l3eg0olas> lathiat: how do u do that?
[09:33] <l3eg0olas> it is a 1GB USB, so I can have the whole ISO on it...
[09:33] <bern> intersidereal: where's the best place to get themes for ubuntu
[09:33] <Lathiat> nah you need special usb boot magic, i dunno if ubuntu have distrubuted one
[09:33] <Lathiat> i dont think they do
[09:33] <bern> intersidereal: what GUI does ubuntu use i know it's KDE
[09:33] <bern> intersidereal: i forgot what it used
[09:33] <Lathiat> like i said, if you mess around..
[09:33] <chimaera> hi...
[09:33] <Lathiat> if you read up how to make a bootable usb disk
[09:33] <ficusplanet> bern, GNOME
[09:34] <Lathiat> or look on the ftp mirrors, there might be something there
[09:34] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: knwo of anything else like gnome-photo-printer?
[09:34] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: otherwise ill have to hack at it, cus i need to specify the photo size :)
[09:34] <intersidereal> bern: try gnomelook.org or gnome.art.org
[09:34] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Not really.  The F-Spot guys are getting a lot done recently though; maybe you could check out the F-Spot CVS.
[09:35] <Lathiat> hmm
[09:35] <Lathiat> is f-spot mono or C?
[09:35] <ficusplanet> mono
[09:35] <Lathiat> hehe col
[09:35] <Lathiat> *cool
[09:35] <Lathiat> any idea where the cvsroot is offhand?
[09:35] <Lathiat> gnome, freedesktop, sf?
[09:35] <ficusplanet> gnome
[09:35] <burnboy> kde-look.org
[09:44] <bern> any interesting programs i should play around with for ubuntu?
[09:44] <bern> now that i have it i want to play around with it but have nothing today since i got my wifi card working :P
[09:44] <Lathiat> haha
[09:44] <chimaera> the installer/hardeware detection stalls at 91% when loading sd-mod for my sata disk. i have a mixed system (1x sata / 1xpata). the controller is ich5
[09:46] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, to get my cdrom detected properly (pata) i had to change my sata options in bios to enhanced mode
[09:46] <Mr_Smiley> dunno if that helps
[09:47] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: it sould be set u properly for debian with 2.6.7 is running ;)
[09:47] <chimaera> u/up/
[09:47] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[09:48] <bern> how do you make a directory in the command line?
[09:48] <Zindar> berm: mkdir blaha
[09:48] <bern> ty
[09:48] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: which install-kerner is warty using anyway?
[09:49] <chimaera> drrr those tiny subnotebokk keys are driving me nuts..
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, i guess its 2.6.8?
[09:51] <chimaera> mhh. my debian box is running 2.6.7-ck6.
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> well i had trouble with debain and ubuntu installer not detecting my cdrom drive
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> but changing it to enhanced mode fixed it for me :S
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> dunno why
[09:52] <Mr_Smiley> but it works
[09:52] <chimaera> atm, i'm running auto. anyhow, i check enhanced mode..
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> try it
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:55] <bern> anyone know where i can find the umicon theme and the gant icon set
[09:56] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: nope same as before (iirc, i had problems with enhanced mode anyway). what is your exact disk/cdrom setup?
[09:56] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, damn :(
[09:56] <Mr_Smiley> i have two pata cdroms
[09:56] <Mr_Smiley> and a sata hdd
[09:57] <chimaera> i have 1x sta hdd @ sata1 / primary ide is empty / 2nd ide has 1x hdd as master and cdrom as slave
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> i have my cdroms in primary ide
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> and hdd is on sata
[09:58] <chimaera> i had quite some trouble to get the two hdds working together. that'S why i have the primary empty and disabled.
[09:58] <Mr_Smiley> yeah it is a strange combination ;)
[09:58] <bern> grr can't find the damn theme
[10:00] <chimaera> so i dig through the ubuntu installer options, maybe i can find something useful there..
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> yeah maybe
[10:00] <ashu> Where do i find live CD for ubuntu?
[10:01] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: cheers, ihacked up gnome-photo-printer :)
[10:01] <Lathiat> might submit a patch
[10:02] <bern> what's a good weather display-type program
[10:02] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Excellent.
[10:02] <Lathiat> bern: theres a toolbar applet for it
[10:02] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: for nwo i just changed the size on one of the presets, i might make a patch to make the gui a bit nicer and let you set the size and send it off :)
[10:02] <Lathiat> the programs surprisingly simple
[10:02] <Lathiat> needs some HIG love among other things
[10:04] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, Yeah, I'm sure the maintainer would appreciate some help.  It could be a really handy little app.
[10:04] <bern> how do i restart X?
[10:04] <bern> without killing all programs
[10:04] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, any luck?
[10:06] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: yeh its really cute
[10:06] <Lathiat> hes done the hard work
[10:06] <Lathiat> im at a battle
[10:06] <Lathiat> looking at getting a new laptop, pondering getting an iBook :)
[10:06] <bern> guess that's not how you do it :P
[10:06] <Lathiat> no power management in linux apparently
[10:07] <Lathiat> bern: You can't do that, btw
[10:07] <bern> ok thanks :P
[10:07] <Lathiat> bern: if you restart X it kills all its apps
[10:07] <Lathiat> if you want to keep a console ap prunning
[10:07] <Lathiat> you can use "screen"
[10:07] <ficusplanet> Lathiat, I've heard that just waking from sleep is not supported with iBooks
[10:08] <Lathiat> ficusplanet: yeh
[10:10] <polok> how does configure the locales package to add a locale to their computer?
[10:12] <kaput> Hrmm...Anybody having problems with the new PCMCIA deb? I had to downgrade to release 6 to get it working again.
[10:13] <Lathiat> polok: dpkg-reconfigure locale or something
[10:13] <Lathiat> polok: dpkg --get-selectiosn|grep -i locale, might find the package
[10:13] <linux_galore> isnt there a program that simulates the sleep/awake thing with laptops.. I know turbolinux has it
[10:13] <Lathiat> linux_galore: "simulates"?
[10:13] <Lathiat> wouldnt be much good if it simulated it
[10:13] <Lathiat> you mean like software suspend?
[10:14] <Lathiat> which doesnt work on powerpc, works well on my x86 laptop tho :)
[10:14] <linux_galore> it stores an image of the ram on the hardisk and uses that to reboot
[10:14] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:14] <Lathiat> software suspend
[10:14] <Lathiat> not supported under pp
[10:14] <Lathiat> c
[10:14] <Lathiat> *ppc
[10:14] <Lathiat> (i.e. macs)
[10:14] <linux_galore> yeah but the program as I see it should work on any platform its just an image file
[10:15] <linux_galore> cant see why they cant take a snapshot of an iMACs running processes in the ram stack
[10:16] <Lathiat> linux_galore: umm
[10:16] <Lathiat> i could explain it
[10:16] <Lathiat> see each architecure works differently
[10:16] <Pizbit> 'cause it's damned hard?
[10:16] <Lathiat> so like blatting crap over ram etc
[10:16] <Lathiat> jumping aroudn instructions
[10:16] <Lathiat> its slightly different
[10:16] <Lathiat> so while it could work on PPC
[10:16] <Lathiat> it just doesnt, yet
[10:17] <linux_galore> Lathiat: so the conecpts fine just needs porting with hardware variations but thats not done yet
[10:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:17] <Lathiat> suspend-to-ramis faster tho
[10:17] <Lathiat> be nice if it worked
[10:17] <linux_galore> yeah Apple laptops make great Linux machine
[10:18] <Lathiat> linux_galore: yeh well theres two issues
[10:18] <Lathiat> 1) the airport express isnt supported and 2) suspend-to-ram doesnt work
[10:18] <Lathiat> if those too worked itd be great
[10:18] <Lathiat> i can use a usb wifi to get around the wireless
[10:18] <Lathiat> suspend-to-ram is sucky, as software suspend doesnt work
[10:18] <Lathiat> benh was around at one point should have a chat to him
[10:18] <linux_galore> didnt someone just recently reverse engineer the airport
[10:18] <polok> Lathiat: thanks :)
[10:18] <Lathiat> linux_galore: err airport extreme
[10:18] <polok> I tried locale, it was locales
[10:18] <polok> :|
[10:18] <Lathiat> no express
[10:19] <Lathiat> is what i meant
[10:19] <Lathiat> polok: :)
[10:19] <Lathiat> i.e. the 802.11g wifi card in apple laptops
[10:20] <McManus> Am I supposed to install a new kernel the "proper" Debian way? (ala http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian)
[10:20] <Lathiat> McManus: its good to, the ubunut wiki has howtos for it
[10:20] <McManus> hrm, I seem to have missed them, then...  linkage?
[10:20] <linux_galore> hmm create a driver api layer for apple drivers heh heh
[10:20] <ctalkep> is daf back ?
[10:20] <Lathiat> linux_galore: heh
[10:20] <McManus> (the FAQs are great, but i didn't see anything about kernels...)
[10:21] <Lathiat> McManus: its not in the faq stuff, its in the wiki
[10:21] <linux_galore> they did it for some Windows drivers
[10:21] <Lathiat> linux_galore: heh yeh
[10:21] <linux_galore> easier often to hack the api than the driver
[10:21] <McManus> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/KernelBuildpackageHowto  <== this?
[10:22] <Lathiat> McManus: yeh theres another related one too
[10:22] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: ok, i used expert and disabled all modules except those for my ide-comtroller..
[10:22] <smo> I'm sure I missed some details there .. does that mean I could expect wireless to work on a new ibook any time soonish ?
[10:22] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, and? :)
[10:22] <Lathiat> xmono
[10:22] <Lathiat> smo: no
[10:23] <Lathiat> smo: linux_galore is just blatting ideas around, which are great in theory but need to be implemented :)
[10:23] <McManus> yeah, I think I found it in the link...  thanks!
[10:23] <smo> gotcha
[10:23] <Lathiat> maybe i should become an elite kernel hacker
[10:23] <smo> If he feels like implementing any, I'm saving for an iBook atm ;o)
[10:23] <linux_galore> smo do what I do use a wrt45g-s wifi/router with my laptop
[10:24] <Lathiat> smo: ditto
[10:24] <Kamion> (the text-speak was making my BRAIN HURT)
[10:24] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: still working my way through the installer, but it seems ok. also noticed, that the kernel oopses when loading the usb-modules.. you know, i have i reason for not using anything > 2.6.7 on my debian box ;)
[10:24] <Mr_Smiley> chimaera, hehe :)
[10:24] <Mr_Smiley> well good luck :P
[10:24] <Lathiat> chimaera: heh
[10:25] <linux_galore> cool thing about a Linksys wrt54g.. not only does it mean you dont have to worry about wifi with any system but it runs Linux and you can do some unreal firmware hacks
[10:25] <Lathiat> linux_galore: heh yeh
[10:25] <Mr_Smiley> linux_galore, yeah i have one its awesome ;)
[10:26] <Lathiat> its cool
[10:26] <Tzigane> Hi guys =)
[10:26] <smo> linux_galore: I was actually looking at that earlier .. I'm looking for something with similar capabilities, that I can hook a "real disk" up to.  it's a shame none of their usb print-servers seem to easily hackable
[10:26] <Lathiat> we run frottle and quagga (bgp) on a few
[10:26] <Lathiat> frottle is a token-ring type thing for wlan, to eliminate hidden node issues
[10:26] <Lathiat> or well, make them managable
[10:26] <Tzigane> I'm using an Inspiron 8600... Has anyone else with this machine experienced immedate system crashes when closing the lid?
[10:26] <Lathiat> Tzigane: check out www.tuxmobil.org
[10:26] <Lathiat> probably an acpi bug
[10:27] <Lathiat> theres various acpi patches i se floating around
[10:27] <Tzigane> That's what I thought, but then I started with acpi=off
[10:27] <linux_galore> Mr_Smiley: I actually carry mine all over the place and I have a 12v batter pack.. I met a buddy on a train and we were swapping  loads of files on the move...he didnt have wifi so he could just plug straight in through one of the eth ports
[10:27] <Lathiat> linux_galore: haha thats evil
[10:27] <linux_galore> who needs p2p when you have a wrt54g with a battery pack heh heh
[10:28] <linux_galore> Ive given a few people images of ubuntu of my laptop via the router on the move
[10:30] <oik> Hi all - was wondering if anyone can cast some light on this error message: "Bad Header Line", when trying to apt-get install something?
[10:30] <linux_galore> Im getting wireless internet next so I should be able to setup a mobile wireless node on the move for meetings
[10:30] <oik> almost certainly due to the network going down during an install
[10:30] <oik> ...of something else, previously
[10:31] <linux_galore> oik: did you try  google.com/linux and enter that error
[10:31] <Lathiat> oik: try apt-get update first
[10:31] <oik> linux_galore: yup
[10:31] <oik> AFAICT there is something wrong with the headers...
[10:32] <Lathiat> oik: ...
[10:32] <oik> so I deleted them (/var/lib/apt/lists, right?)
[10:32] <oik> and then did apt-get update, and it got them all again
[10:32] <Lathiat> and then?
[10:32] <oik> but the error remains
[10:32] <Lathiat> umm
[10:33] <Lathiat> can you paste the context
[10:33] <Lathiat> to me in private
[10:33] <oik> sure
[10:33] <oik> how do I do that :-)
[10:33] <Mr_Smiley> linux_galore, hehehehehe
[10:33] <Mr_Smiley> :P
[10:33] <Lathiat> oik: like copy all the stuff aroudn it, and paste it to me in a private window (/query lathiaT)
[10:33] <linux_galore> oik: what were you apt getting
[10:34] <oik> hang on...
[10:35] <chimaera> Mr_Smiley: ok, the trick is to never load ata-piix..
[10:36] <kaput> with ubuntu, my opengl performance is half that with every other distro i've used. anybody have any ideas? (i852)
[10:36] <oik> was installing mythtv from multiverse
[10:36] <oik> but the error is for libmyth and mysql-client
[10:37] <oik> but if I apt-get mysql-client by itself it seems to work
[10:37] <Lathiat> odd
[10:37] <Lathiat> do that then :)
[10:37] <linux_galore> yeah sounds like a script conflict maybe there is a version variation
[10:38] <linux_galore> hmm beer
[10:39] <linux_galore> someone told me there was a fus over images used with ubuntu being pornographic.. I looked for ages and didnt find anything on my image...now Im like "Ive been ripped off" were my pr0n images lol
[10:39] <Lathiat> mmmm beer
[10:39] <Lathiat> lol
[10:39] <kaput> lathiat: are there any known performance issues with xfree on ubuntu?
[10:40] <Lathiat> kaput: should be fine, unless you need some binary drivers like nvidia etc (which are included anyway)
[10:40] <oik> I think the so-called porn images are great
[10:40] <Lathiat> i dont
[10:40] <Lathiat> people go "wtf" everytime they see my screen
[10:40] <Pizbit> Change it then:L)
[10:41] <Lathiat> that requries effort
[10:41] <Lathiat> i changed my background
[10:41] <linux_galore> what porn images I didnt find any...and if those or pr0n sheesh you guys should see more billboards
[10:41] <Kamion> or, er, upgrade :-)
[10:41] <kaput> lathiat: nope. i'm running an intel i852gm on my toshiba notebook. i ran gentoo on it for about 18 months and decided to try ubuntu.
[10:41] <linux_galore> are*
[10:41] <Kamion> linux_galore: the discussion is basically over, because we made the images no longer default
[10:41] <kaput> lathiat: i love it, but opengl seems to be running at about 50%
[10:42] <linux_galore> Kamion: sounds like the americans have invaded
[10:42] <Lathiat> kaput: there could be a number of reasons, are you on battery? maybe your cpu frequency was scaled
[10:42] <Lathiat> Kamion: you did?
[10:42] <Kamion> linux_galore: not really, only a fraction of the negative opinions were from Americans.
[10:42] <Kamion> Lathiat: yes, for the final release
[10:42] <kaput> lathiat: hrmm...hadn't though about that. i hadn't done anything with it yet. what's ubuntu using? speedfreq?
[10:42] <Lathiat> dunno
[10:42] <Lathiat> look in /proc/acpi
[10:43] <Lathiat> mm
[10:43] <Lathiat> my laptops laggingggg
[10:43] <Lathiat> go the 266mhz
[10:44] <Lathiat> pure powaaaaaa
[10:44] <linux_galore> lol
[10:44] <linux_galore> feeel the Powah of a 486SX
[10:44] <Lathiat> :(
[10:44] <Lathiat> heh
[10:44] <Lathiat> i used to have a 486 up ill 2000
[10:44] <Lathiat> then got a 200mhz
[10:44] <Lathiat> got a 1.8ghz in 2001,2002 or something
[10:44] <Lathiat> then back down to 1ghz
[10:44] <linux_galore> I had a P1 133 till about 2 years ago
[10:44] <Lathiat> and now my 266 laptop, my desktops 1ghz
[10:44] <Lathiat> i never use my desktop tho
[10:45] <linux_galore> now Im a dial cpu man
[10:45] <Pizbit> Why's that?
[10:45] <linux_galore> dual*
[10:45] <Lathiat> whats what?
[10:45] <Lathiat> whys what, rather
[10:45] <Lathiat> Pizbit:
[10:45] <kaput> lathiat: hrm. seems to have defaulted to 1200 mhz. (it's a 2200 p4.) it looks like ubuntu uses cpufreq. i'll try bumping it up.
[10:45] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Why use the slow laptop over the much faster desktop?
[10:45] <Lathiat> Pizbit: because im hardly ever at home
[10:45] <Pizbit> Ahh
[10:45] <Lathiat> and its more convenient to use my laptop when i am at home
[10:46] <Pizbit> Heh
[10:46] <Lathiat> cus its got all my stuff onit
[10:46] <linux_galore> Ive noticed laptop prices have crashed
[10:46] <Lathiat> getting a new laptop for christmas
[10:46] <Lathiat> not sure what to get yet
[10:46] <ajmitch_> my laptop seems a little underpowered for me to use all the time
[10:46] <linux_galore> what I would pay for a decent second hand unit two years ago I can now get a new laptop for
[10:46] <oik> all laptops seem underpowered to me
[10:47] <oik> even the fast ones
[10:47] <Pizbit> oik: I agree
[10:47] <Lathiat> well
[10:47] <ajmitch_> I might repartition it & put ubuntu on it some day
[10:47] <Lathiat> you can get 3ghz p4 laptops
[10:47] <Lathiat> burn your nuts off and last about half an hour on the battery tho i assume
[10:47] <Pizbit> My friend's, well, sure it's running windowsXP, but damn is it slow for 1ghz or whatever it is.
[10:47] <linux_galore> oik: AMD64 laptops from what Ive been told by the owners are damn fast
[10:47] <Pizbit> Sometimes it takes 5-10 seconds just to show the desktop:)
[10:47] <Lathiat> Pizbit: thats probably becuase its running winxp
[10:47] <Lathiat> yes
[10:47] <Lathiat> definately cus its runninga bloated XP
[10:47] <oik> Yeah, maybe next year...
[10:47] <Lathiat> my 266 running winxp shows the desktop in a blink
[10:47] <Pizbit> heh
[10:48] <oik> but it's the slow disk that makes all the difference
[10:48] <Lathiat> not that i have XP on it
[10:48] <ajmitch_> installing ubuntu on this old laptop can't be any slower than it is at the moment (in qemu)
[10:48] <Lathiat> but whenit did
[10:48] <kaput> hrmm. does someone know a good gtk userspace cpu throttling app. i think the gnome applet is just a monitor
[10:48] <Pizbit> His music *skips* :)
[10:48] <linux_galore> you can get a AMD64 laptop now for US$1,100
[10:48] <Lathiat> kaput: thought the gnome applet changed it
[10:48] <Lathiat> linux_galore: noticed that
[10:48] <cenerentola> just one thing does anyone knows what's the best acpi-thing for a toshiba satellite m30-154
[10:48] <Lathiat> AU$2000ish
[10:48] <linux_galore> Lathiat: yep
[10:48] <bern> man i'm having no luck finding/installing themes tonight
[10:48] <Lathiat> cenerentola: acpi thing?
[10:48] <cenerentola> linux_galore: where
[10:48] <Lathiat> bern: install gnome-themes-extras
[10:48] <Lathiat> bern: and industrial is a good theme, all the rest suck
[10:48] <cenerentola> lathiat: kernel module
[10:49] <kaput> lathiat. i'm thinking it's just a monitor, not for making frequency changes.
[10:49] <linux_galore> cenerentola: not from del for starters you just need to look in the PC parts magazines
[10:49] <Lathiat> kaput: have you tried it?
[10:49] <Lathiat> cenerentola: theres only one "acpi"
[10:49] <kaput> i looked at it earlier. i'll check again
[10:49] <Lathiat> theres various bits and peices of it tho
[10:49] <Lathiat> cenerentola: what are you trying to do?
[10:50] <cenerentola> lathiath:using fn-key under my toshiba
[10:50] <Lathiat> cenerentola: try www.tuxmobil.org
[10:50] <linux_galore> Ive seen about 4 different laptop brands around AU$2k
[10:50] <Lathiat> linux_galore: alot suck
[10:50] <Lathiat> the dell inspiron 510m seems nice
[10:50] <Lathiat> they seem to have withdrewn the 14" version tho
[10:50] <Lathiat> whcih sucks
[10:51] <oik> lathiat: That's what I have
[10:51] <oik> The CPU is very fast
[10:51] <Lathiat> oik: linux work well on it?
[10:51] <linux_galore> Lathiat: Del use cheap taiwan contractors no different than the cheap ones your knocking
[10:51] <oik> but the disk sucks
[10:51] <kaput> lathiat: *ahh.* ubuntu seems to default to dynamic frequencies.
[10:51] <oik> lathat: no idea - i use windows on it. My desktop runs linux
[10:51] <Lathiat> linux_galore: theres a big difference between the 1150 etc and the 510m, and everyone ive talked to says their good
[10:51] <Lathiat> oik: ah ok
[10:52] <oik> I didn't want to go through the pain...#
[10:52] <Lathiat> linux_galore: the 1150s etc are bricks and suck
[10:52] <Lathiat> but theyre cheap
[10:52] <Lathiat> 1300aud
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: apparently everything works on them
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: even the modem
[10:52] <oik> really?
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: only quirk is the external monitor port needs a userspace program to turn it on
[10:52] <oik> I might try dual booting then
[10:52] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I use a Taiwan no brand model for the last 17 months works fine no problems all the hardware works too
[10:52] <Lathiat> and only clones doesnt span
[10:52] <oik> lathiat: where did you find this info?
[10:52] <Lathiat> oik: tuxmobil.org
[10:53] <Lathiat> said that sites name about 5 times this arvo :)
[10:53] <linux_galore> Lathiat: the suplier will even supply it minux windows
[10:53] <linux_galore> minus*
[10:53] <Lathiat> linux_galore: is it light, thin, centrino and cheap?
[10:53] <oik> I did think about dual booting, but this was a few months ago when all the problems with kernel 2.6 destroying the windows partition table was going on
[10:53] <Lathiat> and does all the hardware work in windows?
[10:53] <Lathiat> ergh
[10:53] <Lathiat> linux
[10:53] <cenerentola> lathiat: if i do "modprobe toshiba_acpi"
[10:53] <Lathiat> oik: haha
[10:54] <Lathiat> oik: i never heard about that stuff
[10:54] <Lathiat> never affected me
[10:54] <cenerentola> lathiat: and it doesnt say anything... it's all right ?
[10:54] <linux_galore> Lathiat: no its a P4 1.8Ghz DVD/CD-RW combo 256mb ram 15" LCD
[10:54] <Lathiat> cenerentola: no idea, google.com/linux ....
[10:54] <Lathiat> linux_galore: yeh see i want a more mobile / battery life thing
[10:54] <Lathiat> but yeh
[10:54] <kaput> lathiat: sorry to keep bothering you. seems everybody wants your help. ;) when testing the card, even after the cpu jumps to full speed, i continue to get half the performance i was under other distros. just wondering if anybody had heard anything.
[10:54] <oik> Lathiat: I think it was fedora core 2 - destroyed existing windows partition table
[10:55] <bob2> paulproteus: but useless suspsned and wireless
[10:55] <linux_galore> I dont use the battery much 30 min is more than enough for me
[10:55] <Lathiat> kaput: no idea sorry
[10:55] <deFrysk> Re :)
[10:55] <paulproteus> bob2: Yeah, I know.  It's really the wireless that kills me.
[10:55] <Lathiat> bob2: do you run linux on your ibook?
[10:55] <bob2> Lathiat: of course.
[10:55] <Lathiat> bob2: ibook g?
[10:55] <linux_galore> although the laptop I use will work fine for 2 hours
[10:55] <Lathiat> bob2: *g4
[10:55] <bob2> paulproteus: yeah, my sucky little usb thing doesn't like most access points...including the one in my house :/
[10:55] <Lathiat> any issues other than suspend-to-ram and wireless?
[10:55] <bob2> Lathiat: yes.
[10:56] <kaput> lathiat: hehe...well, thanks anyway. i'll have to look around some more.
[10:56] <Lathiat> bob2: care to detail, pondering buying one
[10:56] <linux_galore> anyone tried running Linux on one of those ASUS 17" laptops
[10:56] <bob2> Lathiat: other than those two things it's good...
[10:56] <Lathiat> bob2: ah ok, hmm, any progress on either of those that you know of?
[10:57] <Lathiat> suspend-to-ram cant be too hard to fix if someone with the right know how hacks at it
[10:57] <Pizbit> Lathiat: And time:)
[10:57] <Lathiat> Pizbit: time?
[10:57] <bob2> Lathiat: it's impossible to fix until ATI documents the card properly
[10:57] <Pizbit> Yes, they need time to do the work
[10:57] <linux_galore> could alway put a bounty up for suspend-to-ram for iMac laptops
[10:57] <Lathiat> bob2: oh its the video card problem?
[10:57] <bob2> linux_galore: there's no point, the problem is missing docs
[10:58] <Lathiat> cant restore state on the video card or something?
[10:58] <Lathiat> bob2: stuff can be reverse engineered
[10:58] <bob2> can't power it down correctly, I think
[10:58] <Lathiat> ah
[10:58] <paulproteus> I'd be willing to put up money toward a bounty on wireless or suspend, too.
[10:58] <bob2> Lathiat: um, and what hardware have tyou reverse engineered?
[10:58] <Lathiat> i was pondering
[10:58] <bob2> it's very non-trivial
[10:58] <Lathiat> bob2: nothing youd care about, but i was sayign it can be done, not saying that it was easy
[10:58] <Pizbit> Hrm, methinks I'm gonna be waiting a while http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=copying-to-player-244MiB.png
[10:59] <bob2> the airport extreme has a linux driver for mips-only, it could be reverse engineered
[10:59] <Lathiat> whats that for, the wrt54g stuff?
[10:59] <bob2> yes.
[10:59] <linux_galore> bob2: I cant see Apple uses a one of chipset optioned for suspend_to_ram
[10:59] <Lathiat> bob2: binary only i assume?
[11:00] <Lathiat> linux_galore: The problem is, for the video card, we don't know how to instruct it to turn itself off.
[11:00] <Lathiat> as far as i understand it anyway
[11:00] <bob2> Lathiat: yes.
[11:00] <bob2> linux_galore: apple knows how to suspend it, we do not.
[11:00] <bob2> wireless and suspend work great udner mac os
[11:01] <linux_galore> Lathiat: if the card has a socked you can reverse engineer it with a logger
[11:01] <linux_galore> socket
[11:01] <Lathiat> linux_galore: yes but its very non trivial
[11:01] <Lathiat> there are probably easier ways than that on macosx
[11:01] <Lathiat> given the kernel is open source
[11:01] <Lathiat> you can probably sniff the pci in kernel or something
[11:01] <Lathiat> but still, its far from trivial
[11:01] <bob2> no it's not
[11:01] <Lathiat> bob2: what isnt?
[11:02] <linux_galore> Darwin kernel is open source bet Apple has made the driver binary only
[11:02] <Lathiat> linux_galore: i know that
[11:02] <bob2> Lathiat: apple didn't make the driver
[11:02] <Lathiat> but i was saying you could *probably* sniff stuff at the pci level in the kernel (assuming that part is open source)
[11:02] <bob2> linux_galore: ^
[11:02] <linux_galore> there are some excellent de-compilers now out
[11:03] <Lathiat> heh
[11:03] <bob2> what is the point of that, anyway?
[11:03] <bob2> we have a linux driver for mips, reverse engineer that
[11:03] <Lathiat> dude, people who know alot more than any of us have looked at this i assure you :P
[11:03] <bob2> it'll be a bazillion times easier
[11:03] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:03] <Lathiat> it would be
[11:03] <Lathiat> tho for suspend-to-ram, not as
[11:03] <Lathiat> but wireless is the big killer
[11:03] <linux_galore> put it this way if it has a bus you can log what its sending
[11:04] <bob2> linux_galore: of course, but imagiune how hard it is to take ten megabits of data per second and figure out whate each bit does
[11:04] <Lathiat> i was trying to figure out how to say that, that works well :)
[11:05] <linux_galore> bob2: you can isolate the noise from what is actually the off signal process by just repeating the off cycle
[11:05] <bob2> linux_galore: have you done this before?
[11:05] <linux_galore> bob2: as in hacked IO channels  yes
[11:05] <bob2> Lathiat: benh said a couple of months ago that there was hope for suspend in the next six months
[11:05] <Lathiat> bob2: ooh funk
[11:05] <bob2> linux_galore: for a PCI device?
[11:05] <Lathiat> i met him at lca, seems like a cool guy
[11:06] <paulproteus> bob2: That's awesome to hear.
[11:06] <linux_galore> bob2: no I havent done PCI but Ive done far harder stuff than PCI
[11:06] <micampe> bob2, cool first time I come here and the first thing I read is something I wanted to know :)
[11:06] <bob2> hehe.
[11:06] <Lathiat> haha
[11:06] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ooc, what have you done?
[11:06] <Lathiat> soudns like youve done some interesting stuff?
[11:07] <bob2> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/10/msg00049.html
[11:07] <linux_galore> Lathiat: mainly communications between wires devices  ie PABX protocols for voice mail
[11:07] <linux_galore> wired*
[11:07] <jc-denton> how does ubuntu differ from debian (its not in the faq..)
[11:07] <Tzigane> jc-denton: More love =)
[11:08] <bob2> jc-denton: 6 month releases. sane default gnome-based desktop. people paid to work on it.
[11:08] <paulproteus> More like fewer people doing the loving, Tzigane ;)
[11:08] <jc-denton> no i mean technically
[11:08] <Tzigane> paulproteus: Good point =)
[11:08] <linux_galore> doesnt have KDE lol
[11:08] <Lathiat> jc-denton: well yes, it has newer versiosn of stuff
[11:08] <jc-denton> is it just an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or what exactly
[11:08] <Lathiat> linux_galore: it does just not by default
[11:09] <jc-denton> people are paid to work on it?
[11:09] <Lathiat> jc-denton: umm, you cant really do that (well, you can, but its a lot of messing around) - the base system is different
[11:09] <bob2> jc-denton: upgrading from Debian is not supported.
[11:09] <Lathiat> jc-denton: yes, a company is developing it
[11:09] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I had to install the QT stuff for Scribus
[11:09] <ctalkep> would anyone help me with a ntfs partition issue?
[11:10] <Lathiat> linux_galore: apt found it all for me :)
[11:10] <bob2> ctalkep: just ask your question.
[11:10] <ctalkep> now
[11:10] <Lathiat> linux_galore: hrmm if you us scribus, maybe you can tell em an easy way to take 200 photos and lay them out with the filename underneath for printing (so needs to goto CMYK etc, tho the conversion can be done later)
[11:10] <linux_galore> Lathiat: when is ubuntu going to drop XFree86
[11:10] <Lathiat> basically 200 people, and needs their name underneath
[11:11] <ctalkep> i ran the installer by default so it would not find my dvd. then i ran it with the noapis option
[11:11] <ctalkep> it did work this way
[11:11] <Lathiat> linux_galore: i beleive x.org will be used in the next release (hoary)
[11:11] <jc-denton> so its totally different then debian, exepted that it uses apt and the deb installer?
[11:11] <bob2> ctalkep: noapic?
[11:11] <paulproteus> linux_galore: Next release, right.
[11:11] <paulproteus> jc-denton: Not quite.
[11:11] <Lathiat> ctalkep: no, the installer is based on the debian sarge installer
[11:11] <jc-denton> is there a life cd so i can try that/
[11:11] <linux_galore> Lathiat: what ver of Scribus are you using the new versions handle images allot better
[11:11] <ctalkep> yet it does not see my win partitions
[11:11] <paulproteus> This is covered somewhere, 'cause I've read it.  Let me see...
[11:11] <bob2> jc-denton: no, it's based on sid from june, with gnome2.8 added.
[11:11] <Lathiat> jc-denton: there is a live cd
[11:11] <ctalkep> two of which are ntfs
[11:11] <jc-denton> ah
[11:11] <paulproteus> jc-denton: See #ubuntu-devel for most recent live CD URL.
[11:11] <bob2> ctalkep: "does not see"? the installer doesn't?
[11:11] <ctalkep> how do i fix that?
[11:11] <ctalkep> nope
[11:12] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I downloaded scribus and compiled it
[11:12] <bob2> ctalkep: are you talking about the installer or not?
[11:12] <jc-denton> so its as stable as sid?
[11:12] <ctalkep> the installedubuntu
[11:12] <linux_galore> Lathiat: apt-get version was too old
[11:12] <ctalkep> the installermust have seen it
[11:12] <bob2> jc-denton: yes, a company is releasing random crap
[11:12] <ctalkep> for it added the win boot partition to the grub
[11:12] <bob2> jc-denton: no, the point of it is that it's sid, stabilised every six months
[11:12] <cenerentola> if i want to make a launch-link on the desktop what kind of command should i use to launch.. say /usr/bin/lotfsex
[11:12] <bob2> jc-denton: it's intended to be as stable as debian stable but released far more often
[11:13] <ctalkep> yet now i cannot access them from ubuntu
[11:13] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ah ok
[11:13] <bob2> ctalkep: so what is your problem? that you can't boot windows or that you can't mount windows drives?
[11:13] <Lathiat> linux_galore: whats the cvs root for scribus
[11:13] <paulproteus> ctalkep: He can't, and wants to, mount.
[11:13] <ctalkep> i boot win just fine
[11:14] <linux_galore> Scribus 1.2 features new print previewer which has the ability to render CMYK separations on screen,
[11:14] <ctalkep> i just need to access my win partitions from inside ubuntu
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: so the problem is you can't mount them?
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: ok
[11:14] <ctalkep> yep
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: please  try to ask a whole question on one line, ti's very hard to follow it if you spread them over 5000
[11:14] <ctalkep> no fstab entry either
[11:14] <Pizbit> mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/place ?
[11:14] <ctalkep> ok, sorry
[11:14] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I just downloaded 1.2 from the home page
[11:14] <jc-denton> bob2, ah cool
[11:14] <bob2> ctalkep: does this work "mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt"?
[11:15] <jc-denton> i'll check out the live cd
[11:15] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ah ok
[11:15] <linux_galore> Lathiat: difference between 1.2 and 1.x is chalk and cheese
[11:16] <ctalkep> it is actually sdb something. i have 2 sata drives, switched to enhanced mode
[11:17] <bob2> ctalkep: ok.
[11:17] <linux_galore> Lathiat: scribus now has a commercial news paper using there program
[11:17] <Lathiat> linux_galore: sorry whats chalk and cheese mean?
[11:17] <Lathiat> like they are very different?
[11:17] <Lathiat> lin	funky
[11:17] <Lathiat> linux_galore: funky
[11:17] <linux_galore> Lathiat: like comparing  cats and dogs   goats and sheep   chalk and cheese
[11:17] <Lathiat> right
[11:17] <Lathiat> thought so
[11:18] <Lathiat> argh
[11:18] <Lathiat> *hugs :P
[11:18] <Lathiat> ugh slow laptop
[11:19] <linux_galore> took me about 20 min on a dual P3 933 to compile scribus
[11:19] <linux_galore> all the libs etc too
[11:20] <Lathiat> heh
[11:20] <Lathiat> i hate qt
[11:20] <Lathiat> cus g++ is slow :)
[11:20] <Lathiat> if for no other reason :)
[11:21] <linux_galore> I went to the chemist a few weeks ago and saw the computer the chemist was running has a suse linux desktop... funny were Linux pops up at times
[11:22] <paulproteus> What country are you in, linux_galore?
[11:22] <Lathiat> heh cute
[11:22] <linux_galore> AwwwstrAAAlia
[11:22] <linux_galore> I love not far from jdub
[11:22] <linux_galore> live
[11:22] <paulproteus> Cool.
[11:23] <linux_galore> actually i will see jdub next week
[11:23] <paulproteus> Okay, off to bed for me now.
[11:23] <bob2> linux_galore: where you at debsig last month?
[11:23] <linux_galore> no
[11:23] <bob2> ah, thought I might have met you
[11:24] <linux_galore> I should goto debsig though just Im busy when its on
[11:24] <bob2> ah, fair enough
[11:24] <Lathiat> linux_galore: you in sydney?
[11:24] <Lathiat> ahyou are
[11:24] <linux_galore> yep
[11:24] <Lathiat> im in perth
[11:24] <Lathiat> you been to any of the lcas?
[11:24] <Mr_Smiley> hey people from aus are here? :O
[11:24] <Lathiat> i was an organiser in 2003
[11:24] <Lathiat> went last year
[11:24] <Lathiat> Mr_Smiley: heh yes :)
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> :D
[11:25] <Lathiat> where you from?
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> i'm from adelaide :)
[11:25] <Lathiat> ah
[11:25] <Lathiat> i was there in january for lca2004
[11:25] <Lathiat> ran the ipv6 miniconf
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[11:25] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I dont travel much Im a white coat in a lab guy
[11:25] <Mr_Smiley> i know a friend who went there
[11:26] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ah
[11:26] <Lathiat> Mr_Smiley: who?
[11:26] <Lathiat> might know who it is
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> James
[11:26] <Lathiat> is he <18?
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[11:26] <Lathiat> might be the james i know
[11:26] <linux_galore> ??
[11:26] <bob2> ozan: hi there!
[11:27] <linux_galore> I need to get of my ass and do more work with computer bank and travel a bit
[11:27] <Lathiat> heh computer bank
[11:27] <Lathiat> what kinda computers do you guys hand out
[11:27] <Lathiat> the similar org over here mostly has 133-200 stuff
[11:27] <Lathiat> trying to get all 200+ now
[11:27] <linux_galore> Computer Bank get old computers clean them test them and put linux on them and install them in poor communities
[11:28] <Lathiat> linux_galore: i know what it does, i meant what specs to they get over there
[11:28] <Lathiat> we get pretty shithouse crap over here
[11:28] <ozan> hi, i want to install mplayer and i found a howto in ubuntu's web page, that it says me to install it from "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main" i tried it but occoured error like "The following packages have unmet dependencies" bla bla... can i try and use the stable and testing of debian too?
[11:28] <ozan> hi bob2
[11:28] <linux_galore> Lathiat: PII PIII machines up to 600mhz
[11:28] <Lathiat> ozan: try testing
[11:28] <Lathiat> linux_galore: ooh thats good
[11:29] <Lathiat> we get all like ~200s or less :(
[11:29] <ozan> ok ty
[11:29] <linux_galore> Lathiat: computer bank are now selling complete systems to raise cash even have a 19" monitor if you want
[11:30] <linux_galore> Lathiat: only thing Im after is a second hand PIII laptop so i can do some lectures
[11:30] <Lathiat> ah
[11:31] <linux_galore> people keep asking me to do some Linux lectures
[11:31] <Lathiat> haha
[11:31] <linux_galore> but everything I have Linux on weighs a tonne
[11:31] <rwabel> lithiat: just a short question, why should one use the testing for mplayer?
[11:31] <Lathiat> im only 16 and ive already done about 6-8 talks at various lugs and conferencesheh
[11:32] <Lathiat> rwabel: just use what works
[11:32] <linux_galore> Lathiat: they want me to talk about gimp because one of my hobbies is recovering old damages pictures for people with gimp
[11:32] <rwabel> lathiat: aren't there problems when mixing testing with unstable?
[11:32] <Lathiat> linux_galore: cute
[11:32] <Lathiat> rwabel: not in this case
[11:33] <linux_galore> Lathiat: Ive got some really good examples too looks like some have been attacked by jack the slasher
[11:33] <rwabel> lathiat: sorry I'm kinda new, is that only the case for the ubuntu repository?
[11:33] <linux_galore> Im amazed how good gimp is at recovering images with a steady hand
[11:34] <linux_galore> hmm wonder is I have a before and after on hand
[11:34] <linux_galore> if*
[11:35] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yes, I remember your ipv6 talks at LCA this year
[11:36] <bob2> ozan: where were the instructions telling you to use unstable?
[11:36] <ozan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=java
[11:38] <bob2> thanks
[11:38] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ahh you went to it? cool :)
[11:39] <rwabel> there is also a mplayer version in multiverse. which should one take?
[11:39] <Lathiat> no idea
[11:39] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yeah, I missed the python & ipv6 talk though
[11:39] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ahok
[11:39] <Lathiat> python and ipv6 talk was my better one
[11:39] <Lathiat> dunno why, felt more polished presenting it
[11:40] <Lathiat> considering i finished the slides just before i rocked up to it :p
[11:40] <ajmitch_> is it on the dvd?
[11:40] <Lathiat> the slides are
[11:40] <Lathiat> they didnt record the miniconfs *again* *grrrrrrrrrrrr*
[11:40] <Lathiat> and my video recordings got deleted
[11:40] <Lathiat> sdigh
[11:40] <Lathiat> sigh
[11:40] <ajmitch_> that's a shame
[11:41] <Lathiat> i dont think theres gona be an ipv6 miniconf next year
[11:41] <ozan> by the way, i installed from testing and now works..
[11:41] <Lathiat> the committee has expressed aprehensions since its not "linux related"
[11:41] <Lathiat> ozan: col
[11:41] <ajmitch_> too many other miniconfs competing for time?
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ^
[11:41] <mjr> hmm, Xnest seems to happily open up a default window of 3/4 of the virtual screen area, happily oblivious to Xinerama setups
[11:41] <Lathiat> mjr: heh
[11:41] <bob2> ozan: I've fixed that page
[11:42] <mjr> ...which is an issue for gdmflexiserver as well, as it goes for the default
[11:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: www.sixlabs.org/talks/
[11:42] <ozan> oh ok. thanks
[11:42] <Lathiat> ive got the slides there
[11:42] <Lathiat> along with the rest of my talks
[11:42] <bob2> Lathiat: is it linux-related?
[11:42] <Lathiat> bob2: it is, because most of my content has been related to linux and ipv6
[11:42] <ajmitch_> great
[11:43] <Lathiat> i explained it to the committee
[11:43] <Lathiat> their "getting back to me closer to the closing date" or something
[11:43] <ajmitch_> I don't know if I'll make it to canberra for the next one
[11:43] <Lathiat> also if its allowed i doubt ill get any funding
[11:43] <Lathiat> adelaide paid for me last year
[11:43] <Lathiat> but i might be able to afford to go this year
[11:44] <Lathiat> i submitted two papers to the actual conference
[11:44] <Lathiat> doubt theyll get through tho
[11:44] <ajmitch_> it falls a week before my uni break next year
[11:44] <Lathiat> heh
[11:44] <Lathiat> id skip the week of uni for it
[11:44] <ajmitch_> not when I'm working there as well as studying
[11:44] <Lathiat> finishing my last year of high schol this year
[11:45] <Lathiat> heh
[11:45] <Lathiat> i guess
[11:45] <ajmitch_> although it probably wouldn't be hard to get the week off
[11:46] <ajmitch_> you'll be at uni next year then?
[11:46] <stvn> hi
[11:47] <ajmitch_> hello
[11:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: hopefullly
[11:47] <cef> Lathiat, at uni? god help us all!
[11:48] <Lathiat> cef: heh
[11:57] <cenerentola> what's up if the cpp fails a sanity check during a .configure?
[11:58] <Pizbit> Depends what it is I guess?
[11:58] <bob2> cenerentola: install build-essential
[11:59] <cenerentola> and what should it do?
[11:59] <cenerentola> they're the gdesklets
[11:59] <mjr> there, bug report filed
[11:59] <bob2> cenerentola: install build-essential.  also, gdesklets is in universe.
[12:00] <cenerentola> bob2: yeah but they're quite old
[12:00] <cenerentola> ...
[12:00] <cenerentola> bob2: what build-essential does?
[12:01] <cenerentola> bob2: install build-essential doesnt work
[12:01] <cenerentola> bob2: it says too few arguments
[12:01] <bob2> cenerentola: do you know how to install packages in ubuntu?
[12:01] <michel_v> cenerentola: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:01] <michel_v> this has no reason not to work
[12:01] <cenerentola> ok...
[12:02] <cenerentola> bob2: what do you mean?
[12:02] <cenerentola> bob2: ive got sources
[12:02] <bob2> cenerentola: have you ever used linux before?
[12:02] <cenerentola> yes
[12:02] <stvn> cenerentola: the nice things abount ubuntu is that you don't need sources to install paclages
[12:02] <bob2> cenerentola: so you know what a package is?
[12:02] <cenerentola> bob2: yes
[12:03] <bob2> cenerentola: and how have you installed packages in ubuntu before?
[12:03] <cenerentola> synaptic or apt-get
[12:03] <cenerentola> well but i cant install a package that doesnt exist..
[12:03] <bob2> ok, use one of them to install the build-essential package
[12:03] <bob2> build-essential does exist.
[12:03] <cenerentola> i just thought that "install build-essentials" was a command
[12:03] <cenerentola> now i got it
[12:03] <cenerentola> SORRY
[12:04] <bob2> ok
[12:04] <cenerentola> biggest mistake ever made...
[12:04] <Lathiat> heh
[12:04] <stvn> cenerentola: nah that sudo rm -rf /
[12:05] <cenerentola> stvn: ahahaha
[12:05] <cenerentola> stvn: youre smart
[12:05] <Lathiat> stvn: haha
[12:05] <cenerentola> stvn: and funny
[12:06] <cenerentola> ok as apology you're all invited for a porcino mushroom-based dinner here in borgotaro
[12:06] <stvn> cenerentola: it wasn't me but a teacher at the uni explaining the risks about unix commands, he showed us rm -rf / and accidently hit the enter key ;) (though he was not root only his own data was lost
[12:06] <Pizbit> heh
[12:07] <Pizbit> Idiot:)
[12:07] <Lathiat> ahahaha
[12:07] <Pizbit> I once did rm -rf ~ while I still had two HDs mounted in it.
[12:07] <iz> :)
[12:07] <Pizbit> Hit ctrl+c but not before losing 15GB hehe
[12:07] <Lathiat> ive fone that before but
[12:07] <stvn> ouch
[12:08] <Lathiat> running into a proc file system
[12:08] <cenerentola> i did chmod -r ugoa=rwx
[12:08] <Lathiat> i was scared itd follow the symlinks
[12:08] <Lathiat> it didnt thank god :)
[12:08] <Pizbit> Lathiat: So you tacked on -i and had to hit y<enter> shitloads?:)
[12:08] <Lathiat> given /proc/$PID/root points to / ofen :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> Pizbit: heh
[12:09] <Pizbit> I had meant to rm -rf ~, just not while there were the hds in there.
[12:10] <cenerentola> checking for gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.0.0 pygtk-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gobject-2.0  was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:10] <cenerentola> but ive installed gob2
[12:11] <Lathiat> cenerentola: install gnome-devel
[12:11] <cenerentola> thx... but how can you know that?
[12:11] <Lathiat> Because I know everything :)
[12:11] <cenerentola> other than that?
[12:12] <bob2> by not being a newbie
[12:12] <Lathiat> other than what?
[12:12] <bob2> you pick up things like that by using and watching other people
[12:12] <bob2> and now you know it, too
[12:12] <cenerentola> bob2: right
[12:12] <Lathiat> Pretty much I have a lot of experience with linux, debian, ubuntu etc -- from learnign from people, messing around, so ic an figure most thigns out...
[12:12] <Pizbit> You learn how to make educated guesses.
[12:12] <cenerentola> lathiat: how many yrs?
[12:12] <Lathiat> cenerentola: since march 2001
[12:12] <Lathiat> im nealry 17 now
[12:13] <cenerentola> arghh...
[12:13] <cenerentola> when i was 17 internet was just a mirage here
[12:13] <micampe> i can barely remember when I was nearly 17 :-p
[12:13] <Pizbit> Heh
[12:14] <Lathiat> heh
[12:14] <cenerentola> well in london last summer i spotted a kid that was "war walking" around...
[12:14] <Lathiat> heh
[12:14] <cenerentola> hed to be about 17
[12:14] <Lathiat> ive done that
[12:14] <Lathiat> did that at lca2004 as well
[12:14] <Lathiat> scriptplugin.TPlo' \
[12:14] <Lathiat> depmode=gcc3 /bin/sh ../../../admin/depcomp \
[12:14] <Lathiat> /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=compile --tag=CXX g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/qt3 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../../scribus -I/usr/include/python2.3 -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT  -D_REENTRANT  -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new  -c -o scriptplugin.lo `test -f 'scriptplugin.cpp' || echo './'`scriptplugin.cpp
[12:14] <Lathiat> g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/qt3 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../../scribus -I/usr/include/python2.3 -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -c scriptplugin.cpp -MT scriptplugin.lo -MF .deps/scriptplugin.TPlo -MD -MP  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/scriptplugin.o
[12:14] <Pizbit> Lathiat: WTF is with the spam?
[12:14] <Lathiat> ah
[12:14] <Lathiat> fuck
[12:14] <Lathiat> sorry
[12:15] <Lathiat> accidentally hit both my mouse buttons :P
[12:15] <Lathiat> fingers slid off the bottom of my touchpad :P
[12:15] <cenerentola> well i had no poss to have a notebook at that age
[12:15] <opi> morning Ubuntu follower :)
[12:15] <opi> +s
[12:16] <cenerentola> hail to you
[12:16] <Lathiat> http://lathiat.sixlabs.org/photos/lca2004/dsc01921.jpg
[12:16] <Lathiat> me warwalking :)
[12:17] <cenerentola> is that a toshiba?
[12:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:17] <Lathiat> p166
[12:17] <opi> I wish my Toshiba was able to run Ubuntu ;)
[12:17] <cenerentola> ive one
[12:17] <sjoerd> toshiba satallite from the looks of it
[12:17] <Lathiat> ran debian and xfce4 on that
[12:17] <Pizbit> Heh, old and chunky:)
[12:17] <Lathiat> sjoerd: satellite pro
[12:17] <Lathiat> theyre quite a nice laptop
[12:17] <Lathiat> small
[12:17] <Lathiat> fairly lightish
[12:17] <Lathiat> and cool
[12:17] <Lathiat> esp with the fan on
[12:17] <cenerentola> its sth like 220cs...
[12:17] <cenerentola> satellite
[12:17] <Lathiat> just, p166mhz :)
[12:17] <Lathiat> cenerentola: somethign like that
[12:17] <opi> Toshiba are my fav. laptops :)
[12:17] <Lathiat> i forget the model
[12:18] <Lathiat> i have a 266 gateway solo now
[12:18] <sjoerd> Lathiat: my old latop is a 320 CDT :) (same casing, 233mhz)
[12:18] <Lathiat> 192mbs ram helps
[12:18] <Lathiat> sjoerd: ahh mine was a CDT
[12:18] <cenerentola> and... what about the OS?
[12:18] <Lathiat> debian, xfce4
[12:18] <Lathiat> i run ubuntu+gnome2 on my p266
[12:18] <cenerentola> you CAN RUN IT?
[12:18] <Lathiat> yes
[12:18] <cenerentola> blaimee
[12:19] <Lathiat> it runs ubuntu fine
[12:19] <Lathiat> im using it right now
[12:19] <cenerentola> well mine has 16 mb
[12:19] <Pizbit> Nuts
[12:19] <Lathiat> its not the fastest thing in the world but its perfectly usable
[12:19] <Lathiat> cenerentola: see the 192mb helps alot...
[12:19] <Pizbit> But yeah, the big thing is the ram really
[12:19] <cenerentola> well so you could read the model under the screen
[12:19] <Lathiat> cenerentola: dont have that anymore
[12:20] <Lathiat> like i said, got a gateway solo now
[12:20] <Lathiat> or you want the model of the gateway?
[12:20] <Lathiat> its 9200 or 2300 i forget which
[12:20] <Lathiat> ah
[12:20] <Lathiat> 9100
[12:21] <cenerentola> well.. do you know where can i find ram?
[12:25] <Bluewheel> any ppc users in here ? wanting to know if there is a version of java (ibm i think) that will work for java 2 and swing
[12:26] <Bluewheel> and any expirences in using it ?
[12:27] <Lathiat> bob2 uses an ibook
[12:27] <Lathiat> cenerentola: for those things? ebay maybe?
[12:29] <ctalkep> hi
[12:29] <ctalkep> did daf return?
[12:30] <Lathiat> wel hes inthe channel havent seen him talking
[12:30] <ctalkep> ok, tahnks
[12:30] <cenerentola> ppl im pasting
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c: In function `init_ewmh':
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:796: error: syntax error before '*' token
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:798: error: `PyObject' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:798: error: `m' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:798: error: `d' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> ewmh_wrap.c:800: error: `SWIG_globals' undeclared (first use in this function)
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[2] : *** [ewmh_wrap.lo]  Error 1
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/cenerentola/downloads/gDesklets-0.30/utils'
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[12:30] <cenerentola> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/cenerentola/downloads/gDesklets-0.30'
[12:30] <cenerentola> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[12:31] <Pizbit> Bloody hell
[12:31] <Pizbit> Someone put www.pastebin.com into the topic eh?:)
[12:31] <ctalkep> i managed to add my ntfs partitions to the fstab and they are mounted ok, but i can access them as root only? how do i fix that?
[12:33] <Lathiat>
[12:33] <Lathiat> ctalkep: add uid=1000 to the options
[12:33] <Lathiat> Pizbit: heh
[12:33] <Lathiat> Pizbit: at least mine was an accident :P
[12:34] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Yeah, but there are others.
[12:34] <ctalkep> which options?
[12:35] <ctalkep> in the fstab or to the user?
[12:35] <Pizbit> Now we'll only be aflicted with those who don't read the topic heh
[12:36] <cenerentola> http://www.pastebin.com/112858
[12:36] <Lathiat> ctalkep: in fstab
[12:37] <ctalkep> ok, thanks
[12:37] <babFr> hi
[12:37] <babFr> salut
[12:38] <cenerentola> someone cal help
[12:38] <cenerentola> ..can help
[12:39] <micampe> cenerentola, you probably need python-dev
[12:39] <micampe> ewmh_wrap.c:13:20: Python.h: No such file or directory
[12:40] <babFr> I'ld install ubuntu 4.10 but i am a error
[12:40] <bob2> ElRaton: please turn that off
[12:40] <cenerentola> but why the configure didnt say anything
[12:40] <bob2> ctalkep: it's probably a lot easier to just email him...
[12:41] <babFr> the isntall stop when i test ACPI
[12:41] <Pizbit> babFr: Tried disableing it?
[12:41] <ctalkep> bob2, i did:)
[12:42] <babFr> umhmuh how to make? Pizbit
[12:42] <ctalkep> Lathiat, says line ... is bad, that is where i added uid=100
[12:42] <Pizbit> babFr: On the boot line put in pci=noacpi
[12:42] <babFr> i have a newb's
[12:42] <ctalkep> uid=1000 i mean
[12:42] <Pizbit> ctalkep: Did you put it right besides the bit that says "defaults" or whatever?
[12:43] <babFr> oki thx i rebot for testing ;) Pizbit
[12:43] <ctalkep> Pizbit, yes, it says ro, uid=1000
[12:43] <Pizbit> No space
[12:44] <ctalkep> Pizbit, tried with space, same thing
[12:44] <Pizbit> _no_ space
[12:44] <Pizbit> ro,uid=1000
[12:44] <ctalkep> Pizbit, tried both, same result
[12:45] <ctalkep> Pizbit, ups, working now
[12:45] <ctalkep> Pizbit, sorry for the bother
[12:46] <ctalkep> and how do i change the resolution of my console?
[12:49] <DavidGypsy> 8-)
[12:55] <cenerentola> but should i write "gksudo make" and "gksudo make install"
[12:56] <cenerentola> lathiat: ive made make install but i cant find the install directory
[01:02] <cenerentola> how can i make nautilus not to open a window everytime i change directory
[01:03] <rjek> How do you make Nautilus provide a treeview without having to run it by command line yourself?
[01:03] <Gmail> Treenaks: here?
[01:03] <Lathiat> cen	its under file manager preferences
[01:04] <Lathiat> cenerentola:
[01:04] <cenerentola> what's exactly
[01:04] <cenerentola> the tag
[01:04] <Pizbit> What's the video source used for the screensavers?
[01:04] <Gmail> Treenaks: i am sorry for leaving that /exec -o command you told me to do for while i was away who wound know how much flood you got
[01:04] <cenerentola> lathiat: got it thanks
[01:05] <Gmail> ok guys gnome when starting just now gave me an error, something to do with my hostname and /etc/hosts
[01:06] <bob2> Gmail: why did you manually edit /etc/hosts to begin with?
[01:06] <Gmail> bob2: i did as they told me here
[01:06] <Lathiat> what did they tell you to do
[01:06] <bob2> Gmail: no you didn't
[01:06] <bob2> Gmail: why did you edit it at all?
[01:06] <bob2> if you installed ubuntu, you don't need to touch it.
[01:07] <Gmail> they told me to change my /etc/hosts file and ADD the folling: localhost.localdomain
[01:07] <Gmail> and i did on the same line
[01:07] <bob2> *why*?
[01:07] <bob2> not what.
[01:08] <micampe> just curious, ar you a Canonical man, bob2?
[01:08] <micampe> are
[01:09] <Gmail> bob2: i installed using expert (because a package wound always crash the installer/my cd drive... in other word i burn to cd to fast and it croupted)
[01:09] <Pizbit> Yeaaa.. Installing off a bad cd, always worth some fun for the whole family.
[01:09] <bob2> Gmail: and expert didn't give you a /etc/hosts?
[01:09] <bob2> Gmail: are you sure the CD was burnt ok?
[01:09] <Gmail> bob2: i think it was Treenaks which was helping me to try and get gnome to start for the first time
[01:10] <Gmail> bob2: the cd md5sum is diffrent to the iso image
[01:10] <Pizbit> Gmail: Why didn't you just burn the cd again?  It's the first linux distro I instantly love!
[01:14] <Pizbit> Hehe
[01:14] <ctalkep> any idea how i get to set my tty resolution? it is like 640x480 now, and i would like it to be more like 1024x768?
[01:14] <Gmail> Terk: not everyone else here is male but THANK G-D I AM!
[01:15] <Gmail> ctalkep: grub or lilo?
[01:15] <ctalkep> grub
[01:15] <Lathiat> ctalkep: pass vga=318 to your kernel boot options for 1024x768 @ 24m colours, in grub add it to teh "nonaltoptions" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:15] <ajmitch_> Pizbit: you can get dvds for less than $1 now in places
[01:15] <Gmail> you want to add that to the faq
[01:15] <Lathiat> make sure you dont uncomment it like it says
[01:15] <Gmail> ajmitch_: off ebay you can get 50 dvds for $20 or so
[01:15] <ctalkep> Lathiat, how do i pass it to the kernel boot options?
[01:16] <Lathiat> if you want any other mode, you can read Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt in the kernel
[01:16] <bob2> Gmail: <IP_ADDRESS>       blerg.ertius.org        localhost       blerg
[01:16] <Lathiat> ctalkep: i told you :)
[01:16] <bob2> Gmail: make your /etc/hosts look like that
[01:16] <ajmitch_> Gmail: I'm talking $NZ :)
[01:16] <ctalkep> oh, i thought those were 2 separate things to do:)
[01:16] <Gmail> bob2: i will /exec -o cat /etc/hosts for ya
[01:16] <Lathiat> :)\
[01:16] <Gmail> <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu shimon.ubuntu
[01:16] <bob2> Gmail: and in future, please, please, please mention critical things like "the cd I'm installing from is corrupt" when complaining about things not working.
[01:17] <Terk> Gmail: I wonder, because your name is gmail, who do I subscribe myself to gmail?? I'd really like to check it out
[01:17] <bob2> Gmail: no, I don't care what your hosts file looks like
[01:17] <Lathiat> dude
[01:17] <Lathiat> he told you want to do
[01:17] <Lathiat> just do it
[01:17] <bob2> Gmail: just make yours look like mine
[01:17] <Gmail> ok
[01:17] <Lathiat> he told you what to change it to, change it to that and your problem will go away
[01:17] <bob2> Terk: gmail isa kid, he has nothing to do with google.
[01:17] <Terk> ... bummer
[01:17] <Terk> anybody else some info :P
[01:17] <Gmail> i got some stuff to do with google
[01:18] <Lathiat> you use it to search? :P
[01:18] <Gmail> my uculs friends dogs old owner is the boss of google
[01:18] <Lathiat> Pizbit: count the sheep
[01:18] <Lathiat> sorry, bad joke :P
[01:18] <ajmitch_> Pizbit: a few, perhaps
[01:18] <Pizbit> Lathiat: What's the polite way to say FOAD?:)
[01:18] <Gmail> s/uculs/unculs
[01:18] <bob2> Pizbit: about a 5th as many as there are aussies ;-)
[01:18] <Lathiat> Pizbit: umm, FOAD? :)
[01:18] <bob2> "uncle"/
[01:18] <Pizbit> Lathiat: F Off And Die *grin*
[01:19] <Gmail> ok i fund a new i think blank cd
[01:19] <Lathiat> fuck off and die is the pilote way for all i care :)
[01:19] <bob2> Gmail: burn it at a lower speed and make sure you check the md5sum *immediately*
[01:19] <Gmail> ok
[01:19] <Terk> gmail: ((md5sum) that's something you must check with every download)
[01:20] <Gmail> how do i do a md5sum of a cd again i am VERY sleepy
[01:20] <Gmail> Terk: the iso image md5sum is correct
[01:20] <Lathiat> Terk: its just burnt to cd its not
[01:20] <Lathiat> Gmail: cat /dev/hdc | m5sum should do it
[01:20] <Terk> Wow... that was fast
[01:20] <Lathiat> i think
[01:20] <Terk> (gmail)
[01:20] <Lathiat> maybe dd if=/dev/hdc | md5sum
[01:20] <Gmail> ok
[01:21] <Gmail> Terk: i d/led it a few days ago
[01:21] <Terk> aha, ok :D
[01:21] <Gmail> i got 512/128 wireless fro exetel via the unwired network
[01:21] <Terk> Are there any dutch people??
[01:22] <Terk> (just wondering)
[01:22] <Pizbit> Nah
[01:22] <jvs> hey guys
[01:22] <Pizbit> They all died two years ago
[01:22] <bob2> Terk: I hear there's some of them in the netherlands ;-)
[01:22] <sjoerd> Terk: ja
[01:22] <jvs> just tried to install it on my notebook, a toshiba m30x
[01:22] <jayeola> hi guys. is there a deafult http server that comes with ubuntu?
[01:22] <Terk> (Sjoerd) uiteraard hollands
[01:22] <bob2> jayeola: apache2.
[01:22] <jvs> but I cannot get far, it stops when after detecting the cpu
[01:23] <jvs> *-when
[01:23] <jayeola> or daemon as i belive that these linux ppl call them?
[01:23] <Pizbit> Heh, ya know I once had this thing with a knoppix cd.
[01:23] <jayeola> thanks bob2 <looking for man page>
[01:23] <Pizbit> Every time I booted off it it'd say "Error, only one cpu found!" :)
[01:23] <jvs> hehe
[01:23] <Terk> (Sjoerd) Zijn er al nederlandse website mbt ubuntu??
[01:23] <Gmail> cdparanoia -scanbus doesnt work
[01:24] <jvs> nah, sometimes just the screen goes blank, but the system does not freeze
[01:24] <Gmail> it just give me the usage thing
[01:24] <jvs> since I can reboot using ctrl-alt-del
[01:24] <sjoerd> Terk: nederlands, not hollands
[01:24] <Lathiat> 8
[01:24] <Gmail> jvs: you restart x by ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:24] <sjoerd> Terk: geen id
[01:25] <Terk> Oops... sorry stupid mistake
[01:25] <Gmail> jvs: not ctrl+alt+del
[01:25] <Lathiat> Gmail: thats a bad idea
[01:25] <jvs> x? x isnt even started
[01:25] <Lathiat> Gmail: causes all your applications to lose their work
[01:25] <Gmail> Lathiat: what?
[01:25] <Lathiat> Gmail: you should log out first
[01:25] <jvs> I cant even install it
[01:25] <jvs> it stops after detecting the cpu, booting from warty iso
[01:26] <jayeola> um, how come i can't seem t run the command 'updatedb' even as root?
[01:26] <Gmail> Lathiat: he said that he can restart by ctrl+alt+del and i correct howto reset
[01:26] <jayeola> can i paste the one-liner error message?
[01:26] <Terk> How can I burn an iso from gnome (so not from a terminal)??
[01:26] <bob2> jayeola: yes.
[01:26] <bob2> Gmail: are you running a 2.6 kernel at the moment?
[01:26] <jayeola> updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[01:26] <Lathiat> Gmail: ctrl+alt+del reboots your computer, thats what he was talking about
[01:26] <Gmail> bob2: yes
[01:26] <jvs> well, Ill get another machine and try again
[01:26] <jvs> bbl
[01:26] <Gmail> Lathiat: only in tty*
[01:27] <Gmail> Lathiat: not in console and he is talking about x
[01:27] <bob2> Terk: right-click on it in nautilus and select "Write to dicsc"
[01:27] <jayeola> so glad that ubuntu ships with irssi!!
[01:27] <bob2> Gmail: don't use scanbus then
[01:27] <Terk> Thanks! (That simple??)
[01:27] <bob2> jayeola: do you get that error if you run it again?
[01:27] <Gmail> why bob2 2.6 is auto?
[01:27] <jayeola> bob2: uh-huh
[01:28] <bob2> Gmail: no, say dev=/dev/hdc or whatever your disk is
[01:28] <bob2> er, drive, not disk
[01:28] <jayeola> bob2: treid sudo updatedb, and sudo su-; updatedb
[01:28] <Gmail> using cdp... or cdre...
[01:28] <bob2> jayeola: hm...if you "sudo touch /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db", does it run ok?
[01:28] <bob2> Gmail: cdrecord.
[01:28] <bob2> jayeola: does "locate" work right now?
[01:29] <jayeola> yeah, funny enough i've tried it now and it's ok
[01:29] <Gmail> jayeola: reinstall updatedb maybe because it even work from my courupted ubuntu (never burn at 40x)
[01:29] <bob2> jayeola: if it only happened once, then I'd assume it was a warning that it was creating that file.  you said it happened twice, tho, so I'm not sure what's up
[01:30] <Pizbit> Gmail: I used to burn at 40x all the time:) Get better quality cds;)
[01:30] <jayeola> bob2: touch /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db seemed to work, no error messages
[01:30] <bob2> jayeola: hm, that's odd.
[01:30] <jayeola> Gmail: i only burn speed=4
[01:30] <Pizbit> Now I'm not sure if my burner is working anymore since it wont burn anything under debian sarge/sid or ubuntu
[01:30] <ajmitch_> it's annoying when the only blank cds you have are 4x cdrws..
[01:30] <bob2> jayeola: I vaguely remember getting that warning the first time I used it, but not the later ones
[01:30] <Gmail> Pizbit: cd are SHIT and only support 42x
[01:30] <Pizbit> Pffft
[01:30] <Pizbit> Er, you mean yours?
[01:31] <jayeola> i know that speed=4 is s-l-o-w but it awlays works first time
[01:31] <jayeola> thanks guys, updatedb worked ok!
[01:31] <Pizbit> jayeola: Not thinking of dvds are ya? :)
[01:31] <Gmail> Pizbit: the cd i got are 42x my dad has 50 52x off ebay coming tomz for $10 including S&H
[01:31] <jayeola> so much linux, so little time
[01:31] <Lathiat> Pizbit: know he means cds
[01:32] <Elias> who is able to change my name on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[01:32] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Yeah, but there's always(er, usually) one smartass who pretends to think dvd:)
[01:32] <Gmail> bob2: what cdre... comand do i use?
[01:32] <Lathiat> heh
[01:32] <Gmail> or should i use open x with fail safe terminal?
[01:32] <jayeola> i don't really want a dvd burner right now. prolly wait till ipods are cheaper and buy one of those
[01:32] <Zindar> why ipod and not iriver...?
[01:33] <Zindar> iriver is better
[01:33] <bob2> Gmail: how did you burn the last CD?
[01:33] <bob2> Elias: you want to change your login name?
[01:33] <Gmail> a cdre... comand you gave me i think if not it was the helpful Treenaks
[01:33] <jayeola> Zindar: can u mount iriver filesystem?
[01:33] <Elias> yes
[01:33] <Elias> from Elias Holzer to EliasHolzer ;)
[01:34] <Zindar> jayeola: yeah.. ubuntu does it automatically when it's plugged in
[01:34] <Zindar> :)
[01:34] <Gmail> bob2: can you add to the faq an howto change your console rez?
[01:34] <bob2> Elias: if you want a new one, just make a new account.
[01:34] <jayeola> Zindar: so can u put whatever files u like on te iriver?
[01:34] <bob2> Gmail: I don't know how to do that, I just use X.
[01:34] <Zindar> jayeola: yes.. it's a usb mass storage device.. put whatever you like on it
[01:34] <Elias> isn't it possible to change my name?
[01:34] <bob2> Gmail: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=4 warty.iso
[01:34] <jayeola> Elias: even movies and stuff?
[01:35] <bob2> Elias: I don't think so. you can ask on the ubuntu-users list, I guess.
[01:35] <Zindar> jayeola: and it can do ogg-files.. which rocks
[01:35] <Elias> ok, thx
[01:35] <bob2> Gmail: where /dev/hdc is the device file for your cd burner.
[01:35] <jayeola> Zindar: what are the advantages of ogg when compared to mp3?
[01:35] <Gmail> bob2: so many people ask the same question someone need to add it and i cant spell
[01:35] <jayeola> so glad that ubuntu ships with irssi!!
[01:35] <jayeola> ;/
[01:35] <Terk> Ogg is open source so better
[01:35] <jayeola> uh-huh
[01:35] <Zindar> jayeola: free, opensource,  better quality, smaller files
[01:36] <Lathiat> not so much open source as its "free"
[01:36] <michel_v> Ogg is also not a problem when it comes to patent issues
[01:36] <Lathiat> its also a better codec in genereal
[01:36] <jayeola> looking for man page of apache, ...
[01:36] <Gmail> bob2: what is speed 4? 4x 0_0?
[01:36] <Zindar> jayeola: only downside is shorter battery time on the iriver
[01:36] <michel_v> Ogg is NOT a codec
[01:36] <michel_v> it's a container
[01:36] <bob2> Gmail: yes, 4.
[01:36] <bob2> vorbis is the codec.
[01:36] <Zindar> alright.. ogg vorbis
[01:36] <Gmail> ok so i can change it to 28?
[01:36] <Terk> I remember a comparison between ogg and mp3.... if only i could remember the url....
[01:36] <bob2> Gmail: no
[01:36] <ctalkep> Lathiat, i must be stupid or smth, is it 'nonaltoption=vga=318' or what?
[01:37] <Lathiat> umm
[01:37] <bob2> Gmail: just do 4 or 8, please? apparently your burner has problemss, a lower speed makes it less likely you'll make another useless disk.
[01:37] <Zindar> Terk: if you find it, show me
[01:37] <Gmail> bob2: why my cd support 42X and my cd burner supports 52X
[01:37] <Terk> I will
[01:37] <Gmail> bob2: i have a CRAP cds
[01:37] <jayeola> ok, this weekend i'm trying out ubuntu. so far so good. need to write a new website from scratch. so where's the httpd/server?
[01:37] <Lathiat> Gmail: dude, its obvious there are problems with your burner as it buggered the cd up last time, so do it at a lower CD which means the odds of your CRAP cds being crap are less
[01:38] <Gmail> jayeola: apache
[01:38] <Lathiat> ctalkep: look in the file
[01:38] <Lathiat> ctalkep: about halfway down thee will be a line like
[01:38] <Lathiat> # nonaltoption=quiet splash....
[01:38] <Lathiat> add " vga=318" to the end of that
[01:38] <Lathiat> (without the "s)
[01:38] <Gmail> Lathiat: how long will a 4x cd take to burn?
[01:38] <Lathiat> Gmail: 20minutes i think
[01:38] <Gmail> more than 10min
[01:38] <bob2> Gmail: exactly, use 4 or 8.
[01:38] <ctalkep> Lathiat, thanks, will do so
[01:38] <bob2> jayeola: ubuntu doesn't run any network services by default
[01:38] <Lathiat> just wait 20 minutes for the sake of not wasting the cd
[01:38] <michel_v> Gmail: 75 minutes divided by 4
[01:38] <Gmail> or 12?
[01:39] <bob2> jayeola: if you want apache, install it.
[01:39] <michel_v> Gmail: in the case of a full disc, that is
[01:39] <Lathiat> Gmail: just use 8
[01:39] <bob2> Gmail: for fuck's sake, use 8.
[01:39] <Gmail> i know michel_v
[01:39] <jayeola> thanks bob2 !
[01:39] <bob2> you've wasted dozens of person-hours in here
[01:39] <bob2> you can wait 15 minutes for a cd to burn
[01:39] <Gmail> ok ok ok ok ok ok ok
[01:39] <Gmail> no
[01:39] <bob2> yes, you can.
[01:39] <Lathiat> dude youve wasted like 15 minutes talking about what speed to do
[01:39] <michel_v> I guarantee you can
[01:39] <Lathiat> if you ahd of started it it would have been finished by now
[01:39] <Gmail> because for d-i to check my 20GB swap it take 30min
[01:39] <jayeola> Gmail: i always burn 4=speed
[01:39] <Lathiat> ctalkep: # nonaltoptions=quiet splash resume2=swap:/dev/hda5 vga=318
[01:40] <Lathiat> ctalkep: obviously you dont want the resume2 one, just add vga=318 to the end
[01:40] <Gmail> jayeola: your burner or cd only support 4x
[01:40] <jayeola> and i always use cdrecord, can check the media -before- u burn
[01:40] <Lathiat> Gmail: whats got absolutely nothing to do with cd burning (the swap stuff)
[01:40] <jayeola> Gmail: i now have a faster burner, but i'm used to 4, also it always works
[01:40] <ctalkep> Lathiat, 10x
[01:41] <Lathiat> ctalkep: hrm?
[01:41] <Terk> Zindar: If you google you can find A LOT of comparison related documents... and they all end with ogg being the greatest/best/nicest encoder.... So it's obvious I guess... :-D
[01:41] <bob2> jayeola: the "apache2" package sould pull in everything you need.
[01:41] <ctalkep> Lathiat, 10x=thanks:)
[01:41] <Lathiat> ctalkep: ahh, nps :)
[01:41] <Gmail> Lathiat: i want to goto sleep and dont have time
[01:41] <Lathiat> hope it works
[01:41] <Lathiat> Gmail: so do it tomorrow
[01:41] <Terk> Haha
[01:42] <jayeola> Gmail: cdrecord --scanbus; cdrecord dev=x,x,x --dummy /path/to/image/file
[01:42] <Gmail> ok i got an error in cdrecord
[01:42] <michel_v> hmm, quick question
[01:42] <michel_v> can I just install a minimal ubuntu and then proceed to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from a chroot?
[01:42] <Gmail> jayeola: bob2 said in 2.6 you dont do cdp... -scanbus
[01:42] <Gmail> jayeola: and when i did it, it did work
[01:42] <bob2> you don't, you give the ide device name.
[01:43] <bob2> michel_v: yes.
[01:43] <Gmail> bob2: i did
[01:43] <Terk> michel_v: Just use Debian if that's what you want
[01:43] <bob2> michel_v: debootstrap should Just Work if you point it at an ubuntu mirrors.
[01:43] <ajmitch_> Gmail: not just because ide-scsi is deprecated, but also because cdparanoia isn't used to burn cds
[01:43] <bob2> michel_v: people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html
[01:43] <michel_v> Terk: why thanks for the unhelpful commentary
[01:43] <jayeola> quick poll: if u use a laptop, what's the size of your hdd?
[01:43] <jayeola> <--- 10gb
[01:43] <Lathiat> jayeola: 6GB
[01:43] <Lathiat> but its an old lapotp
[01:43] <ajmitch_> 40GB
[01:43] <Lathiat> ill be getting a 60GB in my new laptop
[01:43] <jayeola> mine too
[01:43] <ajmitch_> upgraded from 6
[01:44] <michel_v> Terk: I just wanted to not waste time waiting for ubuntu-desktop to install, while I could instead be using my current desktop to do other stuff
[01:44] <Terk> haha... Sorry wasn't very nice indeed... What I meant was... Why not use Debian instead? (So it's a question)
[01:44] <jayeola> ajmitch_: 40??!!???
[01:44] <bob2> 60GB in my ibook.
[01:44] <jayeola> hmm
[01:44] <ajmitch_> jayeola: yeah, I needed a bit of space
[01:44] <Gmail> my swap is only 20GB and that only 1% of my hdds
[01:44] <Lathiat> mm ibook *tosses up over getting an ibook*
[01:44] <Lathiat> the 12" is nice
[01:44] <Lathiat> wtf youd never use 20GB of swap
[01:44] <jayeola> i wonder if i should buy a new 40gb hdd for a lappy.....
[01:44] <Lathiat> and you ahve 2TB of storage gmail?
[01:44] <Gmail> i got one 160GB a 80GB and a 20GB
[01:44] <Terk> Max 1024*768 resolution (ibook)
[01:45] <jayeola> Gmail: liar! gtfoh
[01:45] <Gmail> plus a few hunred hdd on the network
[01:45] <jayeola> *sniffles*
[01:45] <jayeola> boohoooo
[01:45] <Lathiat> heh
[01:45] <bob2> Gmail: you really don't need 20GB of swap.
[01:45] <bob2> if you're in that deep, your system will be unusable.
[01:46] <Gmail> jayeola: the harddrive on my FTTB network will equl 2TB + 20 Gmail accounts
[01:46] <Gmail> bob2: i know but heh
[01:46] <Gmail> wtf should i do?
[01:46] <Lathiat> oh right you are using that crap
[01:46] <Gmail> i never used my swap before
[01:46] <Terk> 20 Gig of swap space is useless...
[01:46] <jayeola> well swap some space with me ;/
[01:47] <jayeola> heh
[01:47] <Gmail> i have 700MB of ram (stupid on board gfx)
[01:47] <cenerentola> hello
[01:47] <Keybuk> heh, the old "recommendation" was twice your memory
[01:47] <Gmail> hola cenerentola
[01:47] <cenerentola> i've got another prob
[01:47] <jayeola> um, there ain't a man page for aapche2
[01:47] <Gmail> cenerentola: so do i but heh
[01:47] <bob2> jayeola: I have one for it
[01:47] <jayeola> hmm
[01:47] <bob2> cenerentola: just ask your question
[01:47] <jayeola> man -k apache = nothing
[01:48] <Lathiat> Anyone know in the gimp how to add to a region selection
[01:48] <Lathiat> using the continuis region selection
[01:48] <Gmail> jayeola: use apche2
[01:48] <cenerentola> it says "** (gnome-session:4790): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE auhority file..."
[01:48] <Gmail> jayeola: use apache2
[01:48] <bob2> cenerentola: what are you trying to do as root?
[01:48] <stvn> Lathiat: press ctlr or shift or alt, I always forget, but the pointer will show a + to indicate adding
[01:48] <bob2> jayeola: it's in the apache2-common package
[01:48] <cenerentola> ": /home/cenerentola/.ICEauthority
[01:48] <jayeola> Gmail: that's what i installed
[01:49] <Gmail> cenerentola: your lucky you can even open gnome i am stuck in the console or fialsafe console
[01:49] <cenerentola> no it's the log on screen
[01:49] <Gmail> jayeola: use man -k apache2
[01:49] <bob2> jayeola: install the apache2 package.
[01:49] <jayeola> <-- sudo apt-get install apache2
[01:49] <bob2> Gmail: that won't help.
[01:49] <jayeola> -->>  sudo apt-get install apache-common??
[01:49] <Gmail> or jayeola use man -k httpd
[01:49] <jayeola> aha
[01:50] <bob2> jayeola: what does "dpkg -l |grep '^ii.*apache2.*' | wc -l print out?
[01:50] <bob2> jayeola: no, all the apache2 packages Depend on it already
[01:50] <Gmail> jayeola: try all stupid mane that apache is called
[01:50] <jayeola> 3
[01:50] <cenerentola> hey pl help
[01:50] <Treenaks> cenerentola: remove that file and you can login again
[01:50] <jayeola> just three lines of something
[01:50] <Gmail> jayeola: apache need other file to work fully apt-get install apcahe
[01:51] <Treenaks> cenerentola: you started some X program as root, that's the problem (don't do that.. use sudo)
[01:51] <bob2> Gmail: please stop, you're just confusing the issue.
[01:51] <Gmail> ok
[01:51] <bob2> jayeola: you're sure "apt-get install apache2" worked fine?
[01:51] <Gmail> Treenaks: wb
[01:51] <Treenaks> more Dutch people! ;)
[01:51] <stvn> de sukkels ;)
[01:51] <Treenaks> stvn: nouja zeg
[01:52] <Gmail> Treenaks: sorry for leaving that /exec -o comand you told me to do in the pm and go away for a day
[01:52] <Gmail> Treenaks && stvn: #ubuntu-de
[01:52] <cenerentola> Treenaks: thx but tell me what command should i use to launch, say /usr/bin/streamtuner, from a launch-link
[01:52] <stvn> Treenaks: it's beautiful weather they should be outside instead of inside behind the computer :P
[01:52] <Treenaks> cenerentola: streamtuner? what's that?
[01:52] <stvn> Gmail: dutch, not german!!
[01:53] <ajmitch_> there, finally got wireless modules installed
[01:53] <jayeola> bob2: Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.50-12ubuntu4)
[01:53] <Treenaks> stvn: beautiful weather? rain! ;)
[01:53] <Terk> Treenaks: i'm dutch
[01:53] <Gmail> de is dutch isnt it?????????
[01:53] <stvn> Treenaks: It stopped here now
[01:53] <sjoerd> Gmail: de is german, dutch is -nl
[01:53] <stvn> Gmail: nope, it's deutschland aka germany
[01:53] <Gmail> what ever
[01:53] <jayeola> i am looking in the apache2 dir now....
[01:54] <bob2> jayeola: dpkg -L aapache2-common |grep man
[01:54] <cenerentola> treenanks: i'll tell you later... so if not streamtuner /usr/bin/k3b: what command should i use?
[01:54] <Gmail> ok so back to the howto burn a iso to cd when having an error? or should i apt-get install k3b
[01:54] <Terk> stvn, sjoerd, Treenaks, /me... dutch people... ! :-P
[01:54] <jayeola> bob2: Package `aapache2-common' is not installed
[01:55] <Gmail> forget the apt-get install k3b i have no bw left
[01:55] <jayeola> Gmail: man cdrecord. even -i- can do it
[01:55] <Gmail> *in peak time
[01:55] <Gmail> jayeola: i have the right command
[01:55] <cenerentola> treenaks: gksudo /usr/bin/k3b...is it allrught?
[01:55] <bob2> jayeola: apache2-common
[01:55] <jayeola> ty
[01:55] <bob2> Gmail: dude.
[01:56] <bob2> Gmail: why do you keep ignoring the solutions people give you?
[01:56] <bob2> I gave you the EXACT command line to run 10 minutes ago.
[01:56] <bob2> and now you're still complaining about the exact same problem.
[01:56] <Gmail> it says: illegal write mode for this driver
[01:56] <Gmail> bob2: and i used it
[01:56] <cenerentola> i dont remember
[01:56] <kent> Am I the only one having trouble changing the icon theme in Ubuntu? Nothing happens when i try to change to another theme. All i get is the Gnome default.
[01:56] <bob2> Gmail: what does "uname -r" print out?
[01:56] <Gmail> bob2: and it cdp... is using the wrong write modde
[01:57] <Gmail> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[01:57] <bob2> kent: have you upgraded since the last time you logged in?
[01:57] <jayeola> sorry bob2 - apache2-common is already the newest version
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: "cdp"?
[01:57] <Terk> kent: When installing a new icon package the best you can do is open up your icon dir and extract the package there (not from the theme gui)
[01:57] <bob2> jayeola: then you have the man page "apache2".
[01:57] <Gmail> cdpa...
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: "cdpa"?
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: I don't understand all the abberviations you use, can you just use normal english please?
[01:57] <Gmail> i dont know howto speel package name propply
[01:57] <stvn> bob2: I think he means cdparanoia
[01:57] <jayeola> result! thanks bob-eroony!
[01:58] <kent> bob, well, the problem is there even if i reboot. I upgraded some day ago, but the problem has been there ever since the first time i installed ubutuntu.
[01:58] <Gmail> cdparan....
[01:58] <Gmail> stvn: yes
[01:58] <ajmitch_> Gmail: cdparanoia is not a cd burning program
[01:58] <Treenaks> Gmail: just type the complete name?
[01:58] <kent> Terk, I haven't installed a new theme. Its the icon themes that comes with ubuntu.
[01:58] <Terk> ... ok ... weir
[01:58] <Terk> d
[01:58] <Gmail> Treenaks: i dont know hwotto speel it
[01:58] <bob2> Gmail: why are you using cdparanoia at all?
[01:59] <Gmail> i am using cdrecord
[01:59] <Treenaks> Gmail: so? apt-cache search for it, copy/paste it
[01:59] <Gmail> but i told you the error
[01:59] <bob2> kent: that is odd...you might like to ask on ubuntu-users so jdub can fix it ;-)
[01:59] <Treenaks> Gmail: then why do you say cdparanoia?
[01:59] <bob2> Gmail: lsmod | grep ide-scsi
[01:59] <bob2> Gmail: what does that print out?
[01:59] <Gmail> Treenaks: to hard to remeber the name
[01:59] <Gmail> can i /exec -o?
[01:59] <Terk> Strange thing is that yesterday I had the same problem with all theme settings but a simple X-restart solved the problem for me...
[01:59] <jdub> kent: killall gnome-settings-daemon
[01:59] <bob2> Gmail: no
[02:00] <jayeola> Gmail: it might help if you joined #flood
[02:00] <Gmail> in pm?
[02:00] <jayeola> then you could paste as much as u liked
[02:00] <kent> jdub, Will do that in just a minute.
[02:00] <Gmail> jayeola: #flood is emty
[02:00] <bob2> Terk: yeah, there's a weird bug where theme changes don't work for upgraded packages until you log out aand back in again
[02:00] <Gmail> opps i was in #lod
[02:00] <bob2> Gmail: it will be one line of output
[02:00] <Gmail> opps i was in #flod
[02:00] <Terk> Bob2: Thanks for the info
[02:00] <jayeola> <keeps mought shut>
[02:00] <Terk> Indeed very weird
[02:00] <jayeola> -mouth-
[02:01] <Treenaks> what about http://rafb.net/paste/ ?
[02:01] <Gmail> bob2 i am /exec -o in #flood
[02:01] <Gmail> Treenaks: i am not using lynx
[02:01] <bob2> Gmail: it's about 15 characters of output
[02:01] <ajmitch_> aha, jdub is here
[02:01] <Gmail> or firefox in failsafe terminal
[02:01] <Treenaks> Gmail: I didn't tell you to
[02:01] <jayeola> <keeps mouth shut>
[02:02] <cenerentola> bob2: what's the difference between gksudo and sudo
[02:02] <Gmail> bob2: then why cant i /exec -o here it????
[02:02] <Treenaks> Gmail: and PLEASE PLEASE type full sentences on one line
[02:02] <Lathiat> cenerentola: gksudo uses a gui to input the password, sudodoes it on the command line
[02:02] <Treenaks> Gmail: don't break them halfway
[02:02] <Gmail> Treenaks: it an habit
[02:02] <kent> jdub, it kind of works now. The icons in nautilus changed. But shouldn't the icons in the menu also change? That is, the program and Computer menu on the panel?
[02:02] <Treenaks> Gmail: break the habit :)
[02:03] <Gmail> i hitt enter ever now and then
[02:03] <Terk> kent: that depends on the icon set...
[02:03] <bob2> Gmail: just type it in
[02:03] <cenerentola> lathiat: thx... moreover why when i run gdeskelts... the process is alive but it doesnt show any welcome message
[02:03] <Gmail> and i think you of the rest of what i want to say after it said
[02:03] <jdub> kent: some of those won't change until you killall gnome-panel
[02:03] <Gmail> bob2: what??
[02:03] <bob2> Gmail: and as Treenaks says, it would be nice if you could use full sentences to make yourself easier to understand...it saves the whole back and forth thing
[02:03] <Lathiat> cenerentola: yeh read the gdesklets howto
[02:03] <Gmail> ok i am /exec -o here or #flood
[02:03] <Lathiat> cenerentola: on the site
[02:03] <Lathiat> cenerentola: it doesnt have a gui to config it
[02:04] <Lathiat> or somethimg, i forget
[02:04] <Lathiat> i read the site, figured it out
[02:04] <cenerentola> ok.. thx
[02:04] <Lathiat> it doesnt actually open any windows
[02:04] <bob2> Gmail: #flood
[02:04] <jayeola> thanks bob2 , apache running smoothly!
[02:05] <bob2> jayeola: yay, cool
[02:05] <bob2> jayeola: what was the problem in the end?
[02:05] <jayeola> would it be a good idea for Gmail to open a log to record this help?
[02:05] <Terk> cenerentola: just use gdesklets #.display
[02:05] <cenerentola> thx...
[02:05] <jayeola> bob2: um, but thanks anyways
[02:06] <Gmail> bob2: i am doing it in #flood but nothing shows
[02:06] <bob2> Gmail: ok.  how about "lsmod | grep ide-cd"?
[02:06] <Seveas> Okay what goes wrong here: EVERY program on my ubuntu box hangs after a while, includeing evolution, mozilla, nautilus....
[02:06] <Gmail> ok irssi gave me an error
[02:06] <Terk> Seveas: Clean install ???
[02:06] <bob2> Seveas: "hangs"?
[02:06] <Gmail> saying termintated with return code 1
[02:07] <Seveas> hangs, as in: no response
[02:07] <Gmail> Seveas: hostname problem
[02:07] <Seveas> and yes, clean install
[02:07] <bob2> Gmail: just run both those commands in a terminal
[02:07] <bob2> Seveas: clean /home?
[02:07] <Gmail> ok
[02:07] <Lathiat> Seveas: has this happened before on any other distro or windows or anything?
[02:07] <Seveas> clean /home
[02:07] <Seveas> no Lathiat
[02:07] <Seveas> Gmail: what do you mean?
[02:07] <Lathiat> and youve had other things working, and its just now youveinstalled ubuntu thats happening?
[02:07] <Terk> Seveas: Any strange non-standard hardware??
[02:08] <Gmail> Seveas: it must likely a hostnames problem
[02:08] <bob2> Gmail: why do you think that?
[02:08] <Terk> gmail: Why??
[02:08] <Seveas> Lathiat: it was working fine on ubuntu, but since yesterday things hang: openoffice and nautilus dont even start
[02:08] <Gmail> Seveas: have you mess with any or the fulling commands: base-cofig or hostname ?
[02:08] <Seveas> Gmail i couldn't imagine why actually
[02:08] <Seveas> no Gmail
[02:09] <Gmail> Terk && bob2: I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ON DIAL UP
[02:09] <Gmail> SHIIT
[02:09] <Gmail> i hate caps lock
[02:09] <Terk> gmail: OKE...
[02:09] <Seveas> anybodt an idea what went wrong?
[02:10] <Terk> Seveas: What was the last thing that you did before it "broke"
[02:10] <Seveas> just working with it
[02:10] <bob2> Gmail: you had everything starting up great, then hanging after a couple of hours?
[02:10] <Seveas> mainly using a terminal to ssh to the university and reading mail in evolution
[02:11] <Seveas> and trying to get my wireless working
[02:11] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: btw trying to open your ipv6 & python presentation in OOo asks me for a password :)
[02:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: errr
[02:11] <Lathiat> umm
[02:11] <Lathiat> eek
[02:11] <Terk> And that works already now??
[02:11] <Lathiat> i recall someone mentioning that
[02:11] <Gmail> bob2: when i had dail up using manbrake each time i got disconnect x dies with in a few clicks
[02:11] <Seveas> wireless works
[02:11] <Terk> ok
[02:11] <Seveas> ndiswrapper + wpa_supplicant
[02:12] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: I'm guessing that the python stuff is just a thin wrapper around the C sockets api
[02:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: more or less
[02:12] <Terk> You are using ubuntu now?? (because your chat program does not hang)
[02:12] <Seveas> Gmail: my x does not die, just some applications randomly hang
[02:12] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: alright, no need for me to read it then
[02:12] <Seveas> xterm does not die either
[02:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: :)
[02:12] <Seveas> Terk: this is another machine, but the ubuntu box still is running
[02:12] <Gmail> Seveas: so you dont have manbrake
[02:12] <Gmail> so only some app die
[02:13] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: it also covers doign things "the right way
[02:13] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: my work at uni consists of helping teach that stuff in the 400-level course :)
[02:13] <Seveas> manbrake?
[02:13] <Seveas> if you mean mandrake: no
[02:13] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh cool
[02:13] <Gmail> in manbrake even there kernel wound die in a few min.
[02:13] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: covers using getaddrinfo etc, not the dodgy ways
[02:13] <Terk> You already run evolution (per example) from the command line with debugging?? (if that's possible)
[02:13] <jayeola> Gmail: remember opening a log to record the help that u get
[02:13] <ajmitch_> yep
[02:13] <Lathiat> my C talk does al that stuff to
[02:13] <Lathiat> and linux is braindead
[02:13] <Seveas> ubuntu is the first linux distro that actually would install on that machine (it's a laptop)
[02:13] <Lathiat> i really need to fix the resolution stuff in the kernel one da
[02:13] <ajmitch_> yeah, I just read through that one
[02:14] <Lathiat> y
[02:14] <Lathiat> getnameinfo etc work properly on bsds
[02:14] <ajmitch_> kernel, or glibc?
[02:14] <Gmail> Seveas: ubuntu doesnt make the mistake that manbrake does that why some app hang
[02:14] <Lathiat> on linux it gives you ipv4-in-ipv6 addys
[02:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: thats a good question, i *think* its the kernel
[02:14] <Lathiat> cus i beleive it wrked in usagi at one point
[02:14] <Gmail> btw Seveas are you using dial up? or a dynamic hostname?
[02:14] <Terk> Seveas: With that in mind (the first distro on your laptop) I do think it's a hardware problem
[02:14] <Seveas> but explain this then Gmail: why does openoggice *always* hang at its splash screen?
[02:14] <Gmail> or are you with aol?
[02:15] <ajmitch_> it wouldn't surprise me if it was the kernel, I know of other things where it doesn't do it right
[02:15] <Seveas> Gmail i have cable internet
[02:15] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: cus ::<IP_ADDRESS>.1 is fugly and it annoys me :)
[02:15] <Gmail> Seveas: dynamic hostname and/or ip
[02:15] <Seveas> Terk i do not think so since it did work fine
[02:15] <Seveas> Gmail: nat to <IP_ADDRESS>, so essentialy static
[02:15] <Terk> that's true... I forgot...
[02:16] <Gmail> Seveas: so you use a proxy?
[02:16] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yep
[02:16] <Gmail> Seveas: or you hostname changes
[02:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: bsd does it right, why cant we damnit :)
[02:16] <Seveas> Gmail: a router
[02:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: it might be a glibc issue tho
[02:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: il look into it post-exams
[02:16] <Seveas> so no real hostname for the machine
[02:16] <Lathiat> i hope its kernel, purely so i can get a kernel patch into mainstream :P
[02:16] <Seveas> just 'raptor' which i what i entered when installing
[02:16] <jayeola> routers rock
[02:17] <Gmail> Seveas: an router from aol?
[02:17] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yeah, I'm procrastinating for exams at the moment
[02:17] <Seveas> Gmail: router from cable internet
[02:17] <Seveas> i am not in the US :)
[02:17] <Gmail> anything from aol will kill your computer
[02:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh
[02:17] <jayeola> another poll: what text based browser do u like?
[02:17] <GeBo> lol
[02:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: im finishing high school this year, you uni or?
[02:17] <jayeola> <-- lynx
[02:17] <bob2> jayeola: links.
[02:17] <Gmail> Seveas: nor am i but we have "australia off line" here
[02:17] <ajmitch_> uni
[02:18] <Seveas> ah
[02:18] <bob2> I still don't why they chose such similar names for them
[02:18] <Gmail> LOL aol sell computer
[02:19] <Terk> Seveas: It could be an ACPI error...
[02:19] <Gmail> Terk: but if he was with aol IT *MUST* BE a problem coased by aol
[02:19] <Seveas> Terk: that is possible since acpi is not working correctly
[02:19] <jayeola> i didn't know that any linux users used aol
[02:19] <Seveas> but how can that affect openoffice or mozilla?
[02:19] <bob2> Gmail: please stop it
[02:20] <bob2> Gmail: you're not helping
[02:20] <Gmail> jayeola: /who *aol*
[02:20] <Lathiat> Gmail: dude im sorry, this needs to be said, you are a nuisance, your helping with thing syou have no idea about, your making nuisance comments and not following peoples advice when they try to help you, if your not goign to smarten up can you please leave because yoru annoying the rest of us.
[02:20] <jayeola> anyways Gmail get back to your problem. interested to see how it turns our
[02:20] <GeBo> Seveas: And what if you disable ACPI in your BIOS?
[02:21] <GeBo> I personally always disable ACPI, because it gives me too much errors too often
[02:21] <Gmail> jayeola: i was using aol for 30 min as a trail because i didnt have money to get dial up AND I *HATED* it
[02:21] <Terk> Seveas: Well, does the fan off your laptop spins constantly?? If not, it could be when running "heavy" programs the fan wants to spin and that might cause an errorr...
[02:21] <Terk> off = of
[02:22] <Seveas> fan does not spin constantly but often
[02:22] <Terk> Ok, so that works fine...
[02:22] <Terk> You can start your box without ACPI...
[02:22] <jayeola> Gmail: get back to your problem....
[02:22] <GeBo> ;)
[02:22] <Seveas> o wait, it was aspi that worked fine but hotplug was not working, my mistake
[02:23] <Gmail> jayeola: ok
[02:23] <Terk> So a hotplug problem?
[02:23] <GeBo> aspi is for cd-roms...
[02:23] <Terk> acpi
[02:23] <Seveas> acpi i meant
[02:23] <Terk> ok
[02:23] <GeBo> ok
[02:23] <monteiro> i've compiled the kernel 2.6.9 from kernel.org and i wanted to install nvidia driver, the .run says that the kernel path is wrong :(
[02:23] <Seveas> hotplug modules are not loaded when booting
[02:24] <stvn> Seveas: that's not a problem, the shchp and the other one don't do any harm
[02:24] <Terk> Do you get an error message or they just wont load
[02:24] <Gmail> cdrecord: no write mode spesfide.
[02:24] <Gmail> but with correct speeling
[02:24] <Seveas> Terk: error message but according to the ubuntu mailinglist they van be ignored
[02:24] <Terk> Seveas: I assume you've already checked all logs??
[02:24] <LinuxJones> monteiro, did you add a "linux" link in /usr/src/ pointing to your kernel source ?
[02:24] <GeBo> monteiro: you mean kernel-source path
[02:24] <Seveas> yes Terk
[02:25] <Gmail> so should i add the tag/flag/... -iso? bob2
[02:25] <Terk> Nothing weird there?
[02:25] <Seveas> for instance: openoffice.org hangs when exetuting getstyle-gnome
[02:25] <Seveas> no weirdness at all
[02:25] <Terk> Damn... strange strange strange problem
[02:25] <Seveas> indeed
[02:26] <Gmail> my driver doesnt support toa and it tried toa as i didnt spesfi
[02:26] <Lathiat> quite
[02:26] <GeBo> Seveas: maybe stupid suggestion... Can't you just reinstall?
[02:26] <Lathiat> Seveas: tried running memtest86/
[02:26] <Lathiat> tho i doubt its that
[02:26] <Terk> GeBo : LOL
[02:26] <Lathiat> given its programs stalling not the whole machine
[02:26] <Lathiat> but worth a check
[02:26] <Seveas> GeBo i do not want to
[02:27] <Seveas> Lathiat memory is ok
[02:27] <Seveas> by the way: windows on the same machine is working fine
[02:27] <Terk> Seveas:For how long did your PC run without problems??
[02:27] <stvn> Seveas: if a program stalls you still have controll of the box, eg switch to other programs?
[02:28] <Seveas> Terk: i don't know since i did not try openoffice since a few days
[02:28] <GeBo> Seveas: did I understand correctly that problems started after you implemented wireless?
[02:28] <Seveas> but all other programs (e.g. mozilla) worked fine until a few days ago
[02:28] <Seveas> stvn: yes, it is always a single program
[02:28] <Terk> It was one of the things he did last
[02:28] <Terk> (the wireless implementation)
[02:29] <Seveas> GeBo: yes, but it also happens with all interfaces ifdown'ed
[02:29] <Terk> ...
[02:29] <GeBo> hmmm
[02:29] <stvn> ...
[02:29] <Terk> LOL
[02:29] <Terk> ok
[02:29] <Terk> keeps on getting weirder and weirder
[02:29] <Gmail> so in the cdrecord command can or should i add -iso to stop have the problem?
[02:29] <stvn> Seveas: do you have some kind of flexible cpu speed?
[02:29] <Seveas> stvn|: it is a P4 2ghz and i don't know if it can do that :)
[02:29] <stvn> it could be that the thread get upset at cpu-speed changes
[02:30] <Terk> hmmmm good point
[02:30] <GeBo> But then again, it did work until recently
[02:30] <Terk> I know there's a frequency applet available in gnome
[02:30] <Terk> GeBo: true
[02:30] <Gmail> is bob2 or jayeola here?
[02:30] <stvn> Seveas: did you install new kernel/modules?
[02:31] <Gmail> !seen bob2
[02:31] <Seveas> stvn: no
[02:31] <stvn> Terk: yeah it indicated that I had a 1034GHz proc, so it's slightly b0rked ;)
[02:31] <stvn> hmm
[02:31] <Terk> or it's scaling
[02:31] <GeBo> Seveas: or an apt-get upgrade?
[02:31] <Gmail> hmm no dpkg here
[02:31] <Terk> your frequency
[02:31] <GeBo> (Or the synaptic equivalent
[02:31] <Seveas> GeBo: last apt-get update/upgrade was 2 days ago
[02:32] <GeBo> and problems started before?
[02:32] <Seveas> yes
[02:32] <Gmail> or a cheap scam edited version of winblows to show a 2GHz p4
[02:32] <GeBo> ok
[02:32] <Seveas> i actually hoped apt-get upgrade would solve them :)
[02:32] <GeBo> ;)
[02:32] <Terk> Stupid remark: Did you rebooted your PC withing all these days, or is it still running from the first start?
[02:32] <Gmail> Seveas: apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:33] <Seveas> Gmail: done that too
[02:33] <GeBo> gmail: good point
[02:33] <monteiro> LinuxJones : yes i've created a linux in /usr/src
[02:33] <Seveas> Terk: it is a laptop, so it is not always on :)
[02:33] <stvn> Seveas: centrino?
[02:33] <Terk> (mines always on)
[02:33] <Terk> 2 Ghz centrino?
[02:33] <Terk> I doubt it
[02:33] <monteiro> GeBo : yes i mean --kernel-source-path , i've tested that but nothing he compiles the kernel module
[02:33] <Gmail> so when bob2 comes back or jayeola someone pm me
[02:33] <Seveas> stvn, no normal P4
[02:33] <stvn> Terk: point
[02:33] <LinuxJones> monteiro, try installing the nvidia drivers again
[02:34] <Lathiat> i thought centirno only went up to 1.7 so far
[02:34] <Lathiat> ah
[02:34] <Gmail> Terk: no such thing
[02:34] <GeBo> monteiro: and you left the source on the disk?
[02:34] <Gmail> as a 2GHz centrino
[02:34] <Terk> gmail: i know...
[02:35] <Gmail> and i here there are no drivers for centrino from #linux but does it use the 686 protocol?
[02:35] <stvn> I do think it'll have variable cpu speeds, but I believe linux can cope, so tm ....
[02:35] <GeBo> monteiro: if so, there is a switch you can add (don't know exactly what the right syntax is...)
[02:35] <monteiro> Gebo : i see in the log that he compiles the module in temp directorues
[02:35] <stvn> hm dus
[02:35] <Gmail> Terk: there is actully a few that happen to come from a overclocking
[02:35] <monteiro> GeBo : switch (x) { case 1: instruction; } ?
[02:36] <Terk> Seveas: If don't know what's wrong.... sorry
[02:36] <GeBo> monteiro: sorry, don't understand...
[02:36] <stvn> Seveas: searched in google already? might be a kernel/thread thing
[02:36] <Terk> Seveas: Maybe you could try to contact one of the ubuntu developers??
[02:36] <treyh0> what packages do i need to be able to play an unencrypted dvd?
[02:37] <GeBo> monteiro: something like: run NVIDIA(bla bla bla) --kernel-source-path=...
[02:37] <Seveas> aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhh: i may have found it :)
[02:37] <stvn> treyh0: check the wiki on restricted formats
[02:37] <Terk> Please tell!
[02:37] <stvn> Seveas: what ?
[02:37] <Seveas> well, the reason for some at least
[02:37] <LinuxJones> treyh0, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:37] <Terk> ...
[02:37] <Seveas> interface lo is down....
[02:37] <treyh0> unencrypted dvd (not requiring dvdcss) is restricted?
[02:37] <monteiro> GeBo : ahhh, but that, i've already done, and compiles the kernel but ... then nothing
[02:37] <stvn> hehe
[02:37] <Seveas> and if i bring it up, things get to work again
[02:37] <Terk> ok...
[02:37] <Terk> haha
[02:37] <mjr> treyh0, patent stuff
[02:38] <Terk> sounds reasonable
[02:38] <LinuxJones> treyh0, sorry then you only need mpeg2 support
[02:38] <mjr> "non encrypted DVDs should play, however be aware that mpeg2 is somewhat patent encumbered and is not shipped on the CDs (though is in 'main')"
[02:38] <treyh0> ok
[02:38] <treyh0> cool
[02:38] <Terk> ubuntu is cool
[02:38] <stvn> it is
[02:38] <ajmitch_> Seveas: lots of things tend to break without lo :)
[02:38] <GeBo> mjr: I have the same 'problem'
[02:39] <GeBo> what package do I need?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> GeBo, install libmpeg2-4
[02:39] <GeBo> thanks
[02:40] <stvn> ajmitch_: if they would just say no lo it would have saved us a lot of trouble ;)
[02:40] <Seveas> yes indeed
[02:40] <Seveas> but they simply hang...
[02:40] <Seveas> oh no..
[02:40] <Seveas> evolution hangs again..
[02:40] <Seveas> with lo up...
[02:40] <Terk> Well... then there's nothing to chat about either
[02:41] <Seveas> any other ideas..?
[02:41] <Terk> evolution hangs ??? wtf
[02:41] <Terk> Buy another laptop?
[02:41] <Terk> :-P
[02:41] <Seveas> hehe
[02:41] <stvn> Seveas: tries running it from a terminal to see if it produces any interesting warnings?
[02:42] <stvn> tried
[02:42] <GeBo> LinuxJones: Totem cannot play DVD
[02:43] <Terk> (stvn: you're from holland , do you know if there's a dutch ubuntu community website)
[02:43] <GeBo> even after install libmpeg4-2
[02:43] <Seveas> camel-warning: flags: unSYNC
[02:43] <Treenaks> Terk: where?
[02:43] <Terk> GeBo: it does when you install totem-xine
[02:43] <Treenaks> Terk: oh wait.. if :)
[02:43] <treyh0> gebo: have to install totem-xine, but then it's really slow
[02:43] <Seveas> it hangs when i view the certificates
[02:43] <Terk> and all wincodecs
[02:43] <stvn> Terk: haven't seen it yet
[02:43] <treyh0> even with DMA turned on
[02:43] <Terk> Treenaks: haha
[02:43] <stvn> Terk: but then again, didn't look for it either, i'm quite happy with english
[02:43] <Seveas> more exactly: when i try to IMPORT certificates...
[02:43] <Terk> stvn: bummer
[02:44] <LinuxJones> GeBo, I don't think totem is very good atm. Try installing mplayer or gxine
[02:44] <stvn> Terk: nothing stops you from starting one ;)
[02:44] <Seveas> and i get a Gtk-CRITICAL error
[02:44] <GeBo> Terk: I'm from Holland too
[02:44] <Seveas> damned stupid evo
[02:44] <Terk> terk: that was one of the reasons for asking
[02:44] <Seveas> GeBo me too
[02:44] <Terk> stvn: that was one of the reasons for asking
[02:44] <Terk> LOL
[02:45] <GeBo> LinuxJones: already installed xine-gui
[02:45] <Terk> So: stvn, GeBo, seveas, treenaks, me are all from holland!
[02:45] <Terk> Wow
[02:45] <ctalkep> Lathiat, vga=318 did not work....tried every possible way
[02:45] <LinuxJones> GeBo, install the win32 codecs
[02:45] <Lathiat> ctalkep: hrm
[02:45] <Seveas> we should make a dutch community website, or a dutch ubuntu mailinglist :)
[02:45] <stvn> Terk: I think the ubuntu folk won't mind if you sugest to them that you want to start a dutch ubuntu site/community
[02:46] <Terk> Hehe yes, we should
[02:46] <GeBo> LinuxJones: in Xine I get the message: Error reading NAV packet
[02:46] <Lathiat> ctalkep: well thats supposed to be 1024x768@16M colors
[02:46] <ctalkep> when booting it only reports the other options, last of which is quiety splash, and that is
[02:46] <Terk> The problem is... i don't have much free time
[02:46] <Lathiat> ctalkep: oh sorry ou hjave to run update-grub as root
[02:46] <Lathiat> *you have
[02:46] <Lathiat> laggy connection sory
[02:47] <ctalkep> Lathiat, got that, will try it now
[02:47] <Lathiat> also try vga=0x318 if that doesnt work, but im pretty sure vga=318 works in grub
[02:47] <stvn> ubuntulinux.nl is free
[02:47] <GeBo> LinuxJones: I think I go and install mplayer, which I've always used in other distro's
[02:47] <Terk> I know, just checked :-P
[02:47] <stvn> Terk: me neither, just enough to help a bit here, but that's about it
[02:47] <stvn> hehe
[02:47] <jayeola> me too. i quite like mplayer and xmms
[02:47] <Seveas> stvn, Terk, GeBo, join #ubuntu-nl :)
[02:47] <GeBo> I also like Rhytmhox
[02:48] <GeBo> h=b
[02:48] <LinuxJones> GeBo, mplayer is very nice
[02:50] <ericsp> hello there
[02:50] <Gmail> hola
[02:50] <ericsp> anyone here to help me out with a few qusetions?
[02:51] <ctalkep> Lathiat, something went wrong, now it is a blank screen all the way to the graphical login
[02:52] <ctalkep> this is weird
[02:52] <Lathiat> ctalkep: haha hrm
[02:52] <Lathiat> ill paste the tabel to you in private