[02:56] <ishock> Well, downloading the eggdrop package from apt-get install didn't go well, so I downloaded it. Problem ios...
[02:56] <ishock>  Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[02:56] <ishock>   Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on
[02:56] <ishock>   this system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-run
[02:56] <ishock>   ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and
[02:56] <ishock>   --with-tclinc='/path/to/tcl.h' options.
[02:56] <ishock>   See doc/COMPILE-GUIDE's 'Tcl Detection and Installation' section for more
[02:56] <ishock>   information.
[02:56] <jrib> what was the issue with the eggdrop from APT?
[02:57] <ishock> It wouldn't run right, the files were all spread around and missing some...It was a mess
[02:57] <ishock> Can you help me with this one?
[02:57] <jrib> I don't know anything about eggdrop
[02:57] <ishock> Its TCL
[02:57] <ishock> Why isn't the TCL working
[02:57] <ishock> What package should I install to get TCL
[02:58] <jrib> What happened when you ran eggdrop from APT and specified the conf file location?
[02:58] <jrib> errors?
[02:58] <ishock> Actually, I broke my conf file *Whistles*
[02:58] <jrib> so make a new one?
[02:58] <ishock> =\
[02:59] <jrib> I don't see how compiling eggdrop changes the need for that
[02:59] <ishock> jrib
[02:59] <ishock> It's the files being spread all over that's killing me..
[03:00] <jrib> what files being spread all over?
[03:00] <ishock> Like
[03:00] <ishock> some are in /usr/bin n shit
[03:00] <jrib> every program on linux is like that
[03:00] <jrib> you don't need to touch those
[03:01] <jrib> only thing you need to touch is in /etc/ which holds conf files.  And for eggdrop, all you do is create your own conf file and specify it on the command line when you start it
[03:03] <jrib> if you *really* want to compile it, despite what I say, do: sudo aptitude install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep eggdrop
[03:03] <jrib> and read the following:
[03:03] <jrib> !compile
[03:03] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:03] <ishock> jrib, all I need is TCL
[03:04] <jrib> that command will give you all you need, including tcl
[03:04] <jrib> but really, you don't need any of this :)
[03:04] <ishock> The !compile or build-dep eggdrop?
[03:05] <jrib> both
[03:05] <ishock> I gotta do both for the tcl?
[03:05] <jrib> !compile gives you information from ubotu that you need to read
[03:05] <ishock> SO I have to read that for TCL?
[03:06] <jrib> you have to read it to learn to compile
[03:06] <jrib> the command I said gets you build-essential and the build dependencies for eggdrop which includes tcl
[03:06] <ishock> Look, if I want TCL, do I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO do the !compile crap?
[03:07] <ishock> Rofl
[03:07] <ishock> This is why I love linux
[03:07] <jrib> the page ubotu gave you, walks you through compiling applications...
[03:07] <ishock> ishock@ishock-laptop:~/Desktop/eggdrop1.6.18$ make
[03:07] <ishock> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/ishock/Desktop/eggdrop1.6.18/src'
[03:07] <ishock> This may take a while. Go get some runts.
[03:08] <ishock> jrib
[03:09] <ishock> When's the next release month?
[03:09] <ishock> I R waiting for Gutsy
[03:09] <jrib> october
[03:09] <ishock> o
[03:09] <ishock> YEY
[03:09] <jrib> yep, about one month from today
[03:09] <ishock> I remember my anticipation of waiting for Feisty -.-
[08:27] <GreyWolfe> So, Jordan_U, how would you suggest I fix that problem?
[08:28] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, If you don't mind repartitioning I would make a separate /boot
[08:29] <GreyWolfe> I have no clue how to do that, I have been using Linux for like 4 days
[08:30] <GreyWolfe> Also, I have formatted my external drive and reinstalled Ubuntu on it several times. I still get GRUB error 18
[08:30] <GreyWolfe> Which to me says that my MBR has been overwritten and is outside the first 8GB of the HD
[08:32] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, GRUB reads a configuration file from another partition, that is why it is outside the first 8 GIG
[08:32] <GreyWolfe> Hmm... but GRUB was working perfectly at first, it just randomly up and quit
[08:33] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, That is why I suggested that lilo might work since all the info is stored in the MBR ( which is nice for some things but means less flexibility / features )\
[08:33] <GreyWolfe> Ahh ok, and I can find instructions for installing LILO online?
[08:34] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Your /boot/grub/stage_2 might have moved to a different physical part of the partition
[08:34] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Yes, but it can be much harder than Grub
[08:35] <GreyWolfe> Hmm.. well, I am not computer illiterate, as long as the instructions are clear, I should be ok
[08:37] <GreyWolfe> Ok, I jsut tried something to reinstall and redirect GRUB into the root, lets see if that did it
[08:37] <GreyWolfe> brb
[08:45] <GreyWolfe> Ok, that didn't work. Jordan_U: Would it be possible to install GRUB onto my external HD then change the boot priority?
[08:46] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I don't think that would help but I am not sure, unless you created a separate /boot on the external drive as well
[08:47] <GreyWolfe> hmm
[08:47] <GreyWolfe> ok, then I will try LILO first
[08:48] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, I will try to walk you through it, but I havn't used lilo in a long time, so you may clobber your MBR ( not that it is very useful in its current state anyway :)
[08:49] <GreyWolfe> Heh, exactly, I really don't have much to lose
[08:50] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, This is a great way to start out with Linux though :) if you don't like messing with this stuff it would be easy to re-install
[08:50] <GreyWolfe> Well, I did quite a bit of messing around already when it was working, as it seems that Compiz Fusion has a thing against ATI cards :P
[08:50] <GreyWolfe> But after alot of messing about, I got it to work nicely
[08:51] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, More that ATI has a thing against writing decent drivers :)
[08:51] <GreyWolfe> Heh, true. I want to upgrade, but video cards are expensive, and this is a built in one
[08:52] <GreyWolfe> Any idea if I can just plug-and-play a new video card? While I have your attention
[08:52] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Though they have gotten *Much* better recently ( this month ) but you won't see much benefit to their changes for at least two Ubuntu releases
[08:53] <GreyWolfe> Well, my card is almost a year old too, so I guess it is to be expected that it isn't GREAT
[08:54] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I have Compiz running great on an almost 4 year old POS intel integrated card... ATI is just that bad :(
[08:54] <GreyWolfe> Heh, I can't even render some FPS games properly under Windows
[08:54] <GreyWolfe> I think it is because my card is also meant more for AMDs and I have a Pentium
[08:55] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Well, back to lilo, are you booted from the LiveCD now?
[08:55] <GreyWolfe> Yea
[08:55] <GreyWolfe> As far as I can tell, it is the only way I can boot
[08:56] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Do you know what the device name is for the partition with Ubuntu on it? ( /dev/something )
[08:57] <GreyWolfe> ummm no, how would I find that out?
[08:57] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Run "sudo fdisk -L" to see a list of partitions
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> invalid option --L
[08:58] <Jordan_U> ... lower case "l" actually :)
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> ahh ok
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sdb1   *           1       38559   309725136   83  Linux
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sdb2           38560       38913     2843505    5  Extended
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sdb5           38560       38913     2843473+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)
[08:59] <GreyWolfe> that what you are asking?
[08:59] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Yes, do you have only Ubuntu installed on this drive?
[08:59] <GreyWolfe> yup
[09:00] <GreyWolfe> I have done nothing at all to this drive, other than install Ubuntu
[09:00] <GreyWolfe> wait a second, I have a question
[09:00] <GreyWolfe> My MBR should be in the first partition of my first drive, correct?
[09:01] <Jordan_U> OK, from the LiveCD run: "sudo mkdir /mnt/ubuntu"
[09:01] <Jordan_U> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ubuntu/
[09:02] <Jordan_U> mount -t proc none /mnt/ubuntu/proc
[09:02] <Jordan_U> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/ubuntu/dev
[09:02] <Jordan_U> chroot /mnt/ubuntu
[09:02] <GreyWolfe> when doing mount -t proc none /mnt/ubuntu/proc, it says that only root can do that, i assume i need sudo before those commands?
[09:02] <Jordan_U> ( actually, you need sudo for all of those, or just run sudo -s to get a root shell
[09:02] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, yup :)
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> Was I correct about where my boot partition should be?
[09:03] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, What do you mean?
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> because it appears to be at the END of my main HD, not the beginning
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:03] <GreyWolfe>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sda1               1       23215   186474456   17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sda2   *       23217       24321     8875912+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[09:03] <GreyWolfe> that is my windows HD
[09:04] <Jordan_U> No, it's at the beginning
[09:04] <GreyWolfe> oh, ok
[09:05] <GreyWolfe> The way I understand numbers, it is showing that the boot partition is the second one
[09:05] <Jordan_U> The swap partition is like the page file in Windows, except it is better because it is on a separate partition :)
[09:05] <GreyWolfe> Ahh ok, i'll pretend I know that that means, and we can continue with LILO :P
[09:05] <GreyWolfe> I have entered all the commands you have given me
[09:06] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, now "apt-get install lilo lilo-doc"
[09:07] <Jordan_U> ( make sure you are running this from the same terminal window as the chroot command was run in )
[09:07] <GreyWolfe> i am
[09:07] <GreyWolfe> ok, I am back at a prompt
[09:08] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, now run liloconfig ( I think, type lilo and hit tab to see the options, there should be a command named like that in the list )
[09:09] <GreyWolfe> umm it gave me some sort of error
[09:09] <GreyWolfe> would it be best if i sent a screenshot?
[09:10] <GreyWolfe>
[09:10] <GreyWolfe>   WARNING!
[09:10] <GreyWolfe>
[09:10] <GreyWolfe>   Your /etc/fstab configuration file gives device
[09:10] <GreyWolfe>   UUID=85375713-cefb-4a0e-9807-ff06c378645f as the root filesystem device.
[09:12] <GreyWolfe> I believe I got booted for flooding
[09:12] <Jordan_U> !paste | GreyWolfe
[09:12] <ubotu> GreyWolfe: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:12] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You did
[09:13] <GreyWolfe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37762/
[09:13] <GreyWolfe> that the right way to do it?
[09:14] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Yes
[09:14] <GreyWolfe> ok
[09:14] <GreyWolfe> Never used pastebin before, seems like a handy service
[09:15] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Looks like liloconfig doesn't understand UUIDs, you might need to temporarily change your fstab to make it happy
[09:15] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, It is, there is also a program you can install called pastebinit which is useful if you don't have a GUI for a browser
[09:16] <GreyWolfe> ok, what is my fstab?
[09:16] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, It is the file that configures how your partitions are mounted
[09:16] <GreyWolfe> ok... And how do I go about changing it?
[09:17] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, liloconfig is looking there to try to find out what the block device is (/dev/sdb1 in your case)
[09:18] <GreyWolfe> ok?
[09:19] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Can you pastebin your /etc/fstab ?
[09:19] <GreyWolfe> umm i can try?
[09:19] <GreyWolfe> its only 3 lines
[09:20] <Jordan_U> Then just paste it here
[09:20] <GreyWolfe> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[09:20] <GreyWolfe> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[09:20] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sdb5 swap swap defaults 0 0
[09:21] <GreyWolfe> im guessing the problem is that is is looking at sdb5 instead of sdb1?
[09:22] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Ahh, paste the one from your installed system, not the one on the LiveCD
[09:23] <GreyWolfe> ohh, oops
[09:23] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, ( you can do this easily by running "cat /etc/fstab" from the terminal window you already have open
[09:24] <GreyWolfe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37765/
[09:28] <Jordan_U> look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37766/ again ( I have modified it ) and make the changes that I have done ( you can edit the file with "nano /etc/fstab" from the same terminal )
[09:29] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Why did you quit?
[09:30] <GreyWolfe> im here, sorry
[09:30] <GreyWolfe> something screwed up with GNOME
[09:30] <GreyWolfe> I thought I was disconnected, but I had moved the chat to another workspace
[09:30] <GreyWolfe> im still getting used to having more than one
[09:31] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Did you see my last comment on how to change your fstab?
[09:33] <GreyWolfe> yup
[09:33] <GreyWolfe> can i also just do it from a text editor?
[09:33] <GreyWolfe> since i am logged in as root?
[09:34] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, nano is a text editor, it's just a terminal text editor
[09:34] <GreyWolfe> I realise that, it jsut seems touchy, it is a format I am not used to
[09:35] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You can't easily run GUI apps right now because the commands you are running are actually being run from your installed partition and the X server ( GUI ) is being run from the LiveCD
[09:35] <GreyWolfe> ahhh ok, that makes sense
[09:36] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You can also just delete the "UUID=85375713-cefb-4a0e-9807-ff06c378645f" and replace it with "/dev/sdb1"
[09:36] <GreyWolfe> i commented it out
[09:37] <GreyWolfe> and made the change, how do i save that?
[09:37] <Jordan_U> ctrl+x to exit, it will ask if you want to save
[09:37] <GreyWolfe> ok, done
[09:37] <Jordan_U> ( "^" at the bottom means ctrl )
[09:37] <GreyWolfe> ahh, i figured it was shift
[09:37] <GreyWolfe> run liloconfig again?
[09:37] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, yup
[09:38] <GreyWolfe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37767/
[09:40] <GreyWolfe> ok, i ran the config
[09:40] <GreyWolfe> should i reboot now and see what happens?
[09:40] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You said Yes to everything?
[09:40] <GreyWolfe> yup
[09:40] <Jordan_U> Cross your fingers and reboot then :)
[09:41] <GreyWolfe> ok, il brb and let you know what happens, thanks for your help
[09:49] <GreyWolfe> Didn't work unfortunately, all that happened was it showed like this
[09:49] <GreyWolfe> MBR
[09:49] <GreyWolfe>
[09:49] <GreyWolfe> L
[09:50] <Jordan_U> :(
[09:50] <GreyWolfe> any idea why it displayed like that?
[09:51] <Jordan_U> No, I think it displays LILO and how many letters it displays means something about how far it loaded but I am not sure
[09:51] <GreyWolfe> ahh
[09:54] <GreyWolfe> well, do you have any suggestions as to how i could run winnt.exe, that is supposed to fix the mbr
[10:02] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You just want to restore the windows bootloader?
[10:02] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Do you have a windows install CD?
[10:02] <GreyWolfe> nope, i was never given one with the computer
[10:03] <GreyWolfe> it came with a recovery partition, which i cant boot
[10:10] <GreyWolfe> is there perhaps a way i can totally remove GRUB?
[10:15] <GreyWolfe> or one other possibility, would it be possible to put an .iso onto something like an mp3 player that is recognised as a HD, and run something from that at boot?
[10:17] <GreyWolfe> sorry to ask so many questions
[10:21] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Sorry, I was away for a bit, totally removing grub won't do anything unless you replace it with something else, I think there is an Ubuntu package for writing a windows MBR though
[10:26] <GreyWolfe> hmm
[10:27] <GreyWolfe> any ideas how i might find that? searching for it on google is bringing up nothing
[10:54] <GreyWolfe> ok, one more question, could i put the data from a bootable cd onto an mp3 player which seems to be recognised as a HD, and make that bootable?
[11:05] <GreyWolfe> Jordan_U: I have found a possible solution, but I need some help with it if you are still there.
[11:05] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Too bad I'm not here :(
[11:05] <Jordan_U> :)
[11:06] <GreyWolfe> lol
[11:06] <GreyWolfe> can i pastebin these instructions?
[11:06] <Jordan_U> Which?
[11:06] <GreyWolfe> i think it is something similar to what you had me do before, but they will allow me to put super grub disk onto a pendrive
[11:06] <GreyWolfe> and boot from that
[11:07] <GreyWolfe> !pastebin GreyWolfe
[11:07] <Jordan_U> Why not use super grub disk from a CD like normal?
[11:07] <GreyWolfe> because i am using my cd drive to run the live cd :P
[11:08] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, you can just do "/msg ubotu paste" that way it gets sent to you as a PM :)
[11:08] <GreyWolfe> ahh
[11:08] <GreyWolfe> thanks
[11:08] <Jordan_U> np
[11:09] <GreyWolfe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37768/
[11:15] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You may actually be able to burn a CD from the Live Session if you have enough RAM
[11:15] <GreyWolfe> i have 1GB
[11:18] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, try downloading the super grub + gparted + whatever CD http://sgd.howto-linux.de/download/binaries/sgd_plus_distros/sgd_gparted_system_rescue_001.iso , download it to your USB drive or Ubuntu partition to save space
[11:18] <Jordan_U> ( save RAM I mean )
[11:20] <Jordan_U> then when it is downloaded right click it and choose burn and follow all the steps up until it asks you to insert a blank CD and force eject the LiveCD and insert a blank CD
[11:20] <GreyWolfe> how do i forge eject? just press the button?
[11:21] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, On most drives there is a whole where you can stick a paper clip to force eject, or on a lot of laptops the eject button just ejects the CD no matter what the OS wants, which is basically the same thing
[11:22] <GreyWolfe> umm out of curiosity, is it really that difficult to boot from the pen drive?
[11:22] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, No, I am just curious if this will work, if you don't mind :)
[11:23] <GreyWolfe> ahh ok, il try
[11:24] <Jordan_U> This is basically the same as unplugging your hard drive while booted from it which would probably make Windows sh*t itself and BSOD, but I think Linux will do it as long as everything that it needs from the CD for running the applications it's running are already loaded into RAM
[11:26] <Jordan_U> It will be something like "hey, the drive I'm booted from isn't there anymore, that's unfortunate" and continue doing whatever it can with what it has in RAM.
[11:26] <GreyWolfe> heh alright
[11:26] <Jordan_U> Or it will crash miserably ;)
[11:26] <GreyWolfe> but if my computer explodes... its your fault
[11:26] <Jordan_U> But either way it will be interesting :)
[11:26] <GreyWolfe> for a casual abserver maybe, not the guy that bought the system :P
[11:28] <GreyWolfe> of all the times not to be able to find a pin
[11:29] <GreyWolfe> i cant find the hole
[11:30] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Try hitting the eject button on the drive and see if it just ejects
[11:30] <GreyWolfe> nope
[11:33] <GreyWolfe> wouldnt eject
[11:33] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Try "sudo eject" it probably won't do it either but it's worth a try
[11:34] <GreyWolfe> did it
[11:34] <Jordan_U> It ejected?
[11:37] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Still there?
[11:42] <GreyWolfe> Jordan_U: It ejected, but the system locked up
[11:42] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe I am guessing that it didn't work, based on the fact that right after you said "did it" you stopped responding?
[11:42] <GreyWolfe> yup
[11:42] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, Bootable USB drive it is then :)
[11:43] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Is the drive mounted?
[11:43] <GreyWolfe> define mounted, it is plugged in and i can transfer data around
[11:45] <Jordan_U> Ok, double click the tar file and extract it to the USB drive
[11:46] <GreyWolfe> ok done
[11:46] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Once you have done that right click the drive and unmount it
[11:46] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, How many drives do you have in your computer?
[11:47] <GreyWolfe> i have my internal, my external and the pendrive
[11:47] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, run "sudo grub"
[11:48] <GreyWolfe> ok
[11:48] <GreyWolfe> just list commands, dont wait for feedback, that will probably be alot faster
[11:49] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Actually, It looks like you should have the files from the folder sgd_usb.... in the root of the USB drive, not the folder itself
[11:49] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, So if you are not sure if that is how it is then mount the drive again and check
[11:50] <GreyWolfe> ok fixed
[11:51] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, unmount the drive again and run "sudo grub"
[11:51] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, From the shell that comes up run "find /boot/grub/stage1" and paste the output
[11:52] <GreyWolfe>  (hd1,0)
[11:52] <Jordan_U> That is strange, it doesn't see the USB drive.
[11:53] <GreyWolfe> you said to unmount it
[11:53] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, It shouldn't matter that it is unmounted
[11:54] <GreyWolfe> i mean i unplugged it from the computer
[11:54] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, No, leave it plugged in, just not mounted
[11:54] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Sorry, I wasn't clear
[11:54] <GreyWolfe> how do i unmount it?
[11:55] <GreyWolfe> nevermind, got it
[11:55] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Right click on the disk's icon and choose unmount or run "sudo umount -a"
[11:55] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Ok, try "find /boot/grub/stage1" again
[11:56] <GreyWolfe> same thing
[11:59] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, the USB drive is probably (hd3) but to make sure type "root (hd3" then hit tab, if it shows just one partition formatted as ext2 then it is the the right drive
[12:00] <Jordan_U> Actually, since there is only one partition it would just complete it to be (hd3,0)
[12:01] <GreyWolfe> selected disk does not exist
[12:02] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Ok, type "root (hd" and hit tab and paste what it says
[12:02] <GreyWolfe> know what we are forgetting?
[12:02] <GreyWolfe> linux starts counting at 0
[12:02] <GreyWolfe>  Possible disks are:  hd0 hd1 hd2
[12:03] <GreyWolfe> thats what it shows
[12:04] <GreyWolfe> heh i should have noticed that too, dont feel bad :P
[12:05] <Jordan_U> To be completely safe ( we don't want to overwrite the MBR of your windows drive accidentally ) unmount and unplug the windows drive ( that's external if I remember correctly )
[12:05] <GreyWolfe> nope
[12:05] <GreyWolfe> windows is the internal
[12:05] <GreyWolfe> it came with windows installed originally
[12:05] <GreyWolfe> so i would in fact like to overwrite that MBR as i believe it is the corrupt one
[12:06] <Jordan_U> OK, that is why I was confused, I though it was internal which would make it the first drive, but the find command said it was hd1
[12:06] <GreyWolfe> heh
[12:06] <Jordan_U> So run "root (hd2,0)"
[12:07] <Jordan_U> "setup (hd2)"
[12:07] <GreyWolfe> Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[12:08] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, What is it formatted as?
[12:08] <GreyWolfe> no idea
[12:09] <GreyWolfe> how do i find out?
[12:09] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, It probably needs to be ext2, and if you havn't changed it then it is FAT32
[12:10] <Jordan_U> That would also explain why the find command didn't see it
[12:10] <GreyWolfe> ok, how do i change it?
[12:10] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, System -> Administration -> Gnome Partition Editor
[12:13] <GreyWolfe> I dont think it is showing up
[12:14] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You probably just need to choose it from the top right
[12:15] <GreyWolfe> i mounted it and am refreshing devices
[12:17] <GreyWolfe> still dont think it is showing
[12:20] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You don't see it in the drop down menu at the top right?
[12:20] <GreyWolfe> there is nothing there that fits the size of the drive
[12:21] <GreyWolfe> there is one that is a 186GB one a 298GB one and a 256MB one
[12:21] <GreyWolfe> the drive is 1GB and has nothing on it
[12:22] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Do you have a 256 meg drive connected to your computer?
[12:22] <GreyWolfe> not that i know of
[12:23] <GreyWolfe> it says it is unallocated
[12:23] <GreyWolfe> dev/sdg
[12:32] <GreyWolfe> ahh, ok i used QTparted and its picking it up now
[12:33] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, format it ext2 ( ext2 is better for flash drives than ext3 )
[12:34] <GreyWolfe> it WAS the 256 MB one, dont knwo why it was reading like that though
[12:35] <GreyWolfe> every time i try to create a new partition, it closes the program
[12:36] <nalioth> are we using a liveCD ?
[12:36] <GreyWolfe> yea
[12:36] <nalioth> open a console and give 'parted' a run
[12:36] <nalioth> qt- and gparted suck.
[12:37] <GreyWolfe> how? total noob here
[12:37] <nalioth> GreyWolfe: it's quite easy.  there's a help file
[12:39] <GreyWolfe> and it is of no help at all to me
[12:41] <nalioth> open a console please
[12:41] <Jordan_U> nalioth, Don't know if you have been following but GreyWolfe is getting a grub error 18 so I think he needs a separate /boot , all he has is an Ubuntu LiveCD so we are trying to put Super Grub Disk on an external USB drive http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/?section=download#usb
[12:41] <GreyWolfe> console is open, i ran parted
[12:41] <nalioth> sorry, not been following, just say y'all had come to a stop over qtparted
[12:41] <nalioth> saw  bleh
[12:42] <GreyWolfe> parted is running
[12:42] <nalioth> GreyWolfe: how did you start it?
[12:42] <GreyWolfe> and i directed it to the USB drive
[12:42] <GreyWolfe> sudo parted /dev/sdg
[12:42] <nalioth> then you can type "help" and get the basic usage
[12:43] <GreyWolfe> the problem i am having is that it cant be read because of the label, and when i try mklabel msdos, the terminal closes
[12:43] <GreyWolfe> same problem with the other programs, they terminate when attempting to make a label
[12:43] <nalioth> try parted
[12:43] <nalioth> it can make labels
[12:43] <Jordan_U> nalioth, I assume it can't be formatted as FAT and let grub boot so I think formatting it as ext2 is the best thing to do ( ext3 is journaled so it wears out the flash faster )
[12:44] <nalioth> flash is solid state.  it doesn't 'wear out'.
[12:44] <nalioth> it may use more space for the journal records, though
[12:44] <GreyWolfe> i am using parted, i attempted to make a label, the console terminated
[12:45] <nalioth> you gotta be kidding me
[12:45] <GreyWolfe> sorry, it exits parted and takes me to the normal prompt
[12:45] <nalioth> wow.
[12:45] <GreyWolfe> Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
[12:45] <GreyWolfe> (parted) mklabel msdos
[12:45] <GreyWolfe> *** stack smashing detected ***: <unknown> terminated
[12:45] <GreyWolfe> Aborted (core dumped)
[12:45] <GreyWolfe> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[12:45] <nalioth> never had parted take a dump on me
[12:46] <nalioth> what's the matter with grabbing the supergrub cd image and burning it?
[12:46] <GreyWolfe> im using the livecd to be here?
[12:46] <Jordan_U> nalioth, He has no other comp
[12:46] <GreyWolfe> and i dont have a second cd drive hooked up
[12:47] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I guess we could go back to trying to install a windows MBR with the ms-sys package
[12:47] <GreyWolfe> ok...
[12:48] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I think you may have a problem with your usb drive though
[12:48] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, sudo apt-get install ms-sys
[12:48] <GreyWolfe> hmm, i can try plugging in my other one, one sec
[12:48] <GreyWolfe> E: Couldn't find package ms-sys
[12:50] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Enable the universe repository
[12:50] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[12:50] <nalioth> and the multiverse repo
[12:51] <Jordan_U> nalioth, The package is in universe, I would expect it to be in multiverse but it's not
[12:53] <GreyWolfe> ahh, Jordan_U i can format my other USB HD no problem
[12:53] <GreyWolfe> so perhaps we can go ahead like that again?
[12:54] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Well I just figured out ms-sys and it is interesting also, and not having a windows OS I can't test it myself... so if you don't mind :) But I will help with either :)
[12:55] <GreyWolfe> ok, lets go ahead with ms-sys
[12:55] <GreyWolfe> since now i know i can use my other one if this doesnt work
[12:55] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Ok, have you enabled universe?
[12:55] <GreyWolfe> yup
[12:55] <GreyWolfe> ms-sys is installed
[12:56] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Do you remember what your windows partition is /dev/whatever ?
[12:57] <GreyWolfe> i cna check, one sec
[12:57] <GreyWolfe> i think its sda
[12:58] <GreyWolfe> yea /dev/sda
[12:58] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, then "sudo ms-sys --mbr /dev/sda"
[12:59] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Then reboot and cross your fingers again :)
[12:59] <GreyWolfe> Windows 2000/XP/2003 master boot record successfully written to /dev/sda
[12:59] <GreyWolfe> lets see what happens
[01:06] <Jordan_U> nalioth, I'm sorry, I'll be sure to get him back using Ubuntu once he has burned a Super Grub CD :)
[01:07] <nalioth> nah, it's all good
[01:07] <nalioth> just imagine the workplace of the world, if they didn't have to worry about security issues and BSODs
[01:25] <GreyWolfe> no luck, it worked for re-writing the MBR, but all it would do is run the recovery partition, and the recovery failed
[01:27] <GreyWolfe> mhmm, i hear ya, seeing that start working got my hopes up
[01:29] <Jordan_U> Ok, did we ever get a thumb drive formatted ext2 ?
[01:29] <GreyWolfe> i believe so
[01:31] <GreyWolfe> yup, ext2
[01:32] <Jordan_U> Ok, lets make this sucker bootable
[01:32] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Extract the contents of the tar / folder to it like before
[01:33] <GreyWolfe> one sec, gotta dl it again :P
[01:35] <GreyWolfe> i cant transfer anything onto the drive
[01:36] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Permissions?
[01:36] <GreyWolfe> no clue
[01:37] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, What error do you get?
[01:37] <GreyWolfe> err yea, dont have permissions
[01:38] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, gksudo nautilus
[01:39] <GreyWolfe> all i have there are like 3 things, i dont have the drives i need
[01:40] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Go to "Computer"
[01:41] <GreyWolfe> umm file system?
[01:42] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You can get to it from file system ( which is / ) /media/whatever
[01:44] <GreyWolfe> ok, done
[01:45] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Ok, run "sudo grub"
[01:45] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, then "root (hd2,0)"
[01:46] <Jordan_U> setup (hd2)
[01:46] <Jordan_U> quit
[01:46] <Jordan_U> then reboot :)
[01:47] <GreyWolfe> Error 22: No such partition
[01:48] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, "root(hd" then press tab
[01:49] <GreyWolfe>  Possible disks are:  hd0 hd1 hd2
[01:52] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, OK, "root (hd2" tab
[01:52] <GreyWolfe> umm it would appear there are no partitions on that drive :P
[01:52] <GreyWolfe> Disk /dev/sdg: 253 MB, 253231104 bytes
[01:52] <GreyWolfe> 8 heads, 61 sectors/track, 1013 cylinders
[01:52] <GreyWolfe> Units = cylinders of 488 * 512 = 249856 bytes
[01:52] <GreyWolfe>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:52] <GreyWolfe> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[01:53] <GreyWolfe> unless i have no idea what i am talking about, which is also a valid point
[01:53] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Did you create an ext2 file system with gparted?
[01:53] <GreyWolfe> yea, i formatted it to ext2
[01:54] <GreyWolfe> seems it got undone... one sec
[01:54] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Are you sure you didn't accidentally reformat the external Drive Ubuntu was installed to?
[01:54] <GreyWolfe> positive
[01:54] <GreyWolfe> all the info is still there
[01:54] <GreyWolfe> i know what i did wrong
[01:55] <Jordan_U> what?
[01:55] <GreyWolfe> i changed the label for some reason, its ok now, just gotta put the files back on
[01:58] <GreyWolfe> ok, brb lets see if this works


[09:14] <Keybuk> "Upstart Q&A" today 1000UTC http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/ginko.ogg.m3u #ubuntu-uds-ginko
[15:02] <Stevee> hello, i've a question on upstart: is it possible to start a jobfile if there is no other job running
[15:03] <Stevee> or a event which get emited if there are all jobs stopped ?
[15:04] <Stevee> for example on trobules during boot process to get into an emegency shell
[15:05] <Stevee> or something like that
[15:08] <Stevee> or to reboot system if everything is gone
[15:58] <sadmac> Stevee: no. Used to be. It was removed.
[16:02] <Stevee> oh thats bad....


[06:46] <macvr> is anyone having problems with launchpad?
[09:27] <lamalex> does being awesome count as a problem
[10:21] <macvr> lamalex: from  earlier: " An appserver is broken, so 1/8 requests fail after a minute."
[10:22] <macvr> that was from #launchapd^
[11:58]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[15:05] <macvr> djsiegel_: coudl you edit the wiki, to add that hardware specific issues are not part of the papercuts?
[15:05] <macvr> could^
[15:05] <djsiegel_> well, harware specific issues are usually not easy to fix, and do not affect most users
[15:05] <djsiegel_> you need more reason than that?
[15:05] <djsiegel_> or just a specific mention?
[15:05] <macvr> just a mention in the wiki...
[15:06] <macvr> people have reported , webcam/graphics/audio cards!
[15:06] <macvr> just increases the workload :(
[15:07] <macvr> djsiegel_: they just add that this has affected several users in ubuntuforums!
[15:07] <djsiegel_> oh come on
[15:08] <djsiegel_> just say, this does not afect the average user because the average user doesn't have your webcam/graphics/audiocard
[15:08] <macvr> that is a common line in most of the descriptions
[15:08] <macvr> i just mention that since its hardware specific , its not papercut
[15:09] <lamalex> i think the problem is that people dont know what usability means
[15:09] <lamalex> "i use it, so it's usability"
[15:09] <macvr> ^ +!
[15:09] <lamalex> "my webcam doesnt work- i can't use it! it's not usable!
[15:11] <macvr> there are so many of those... some even add, "since i'v seen this initiative , i think this is my only chance" ... i feel bad to invalidate those :(
[15:25] <ScottK> Fundamentally there is a lot more stuff broken than we have developers, so most of these issues don't get dealt with.  Generally the best we can do is upstream the bug and hope they deal with it.
[16:33] <macvr> djsiegel_: what previous bug is he talking about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388546
[16:34] <djsiegel_> macvr:  ignore Kirk Fraser
[16:34] <macvr> quite a friendly guy :p
[16:35] <djsiegel_> macvr: he is not an Ubuntu user, he is a troll, and I am pretty sure he spam filters all launchpad email
[17:12] <SiDi> MacSlow: ping ?
[17:12] <MacSlow> SiDi, hey what's up?
[17:12] <SiDi> fine
[17:12] <SiDi> I wanted to ask you, when will we actually be able to change notify-osd's colours ?
[17:12] <SiDi> there are users that complain because they _cant_ read white on black
[17:14] <MacSlow> SiDi, you have to get that to the design folks... not me
[17:14] <SiDi> oh
[17:14] <SiDi> hm who is it again ? :P
[17:15] <MacSlow> SiDi, e.g. mat_t, djsiegel_, mpt, ivanka
[17:15] <SiDi> okey
[17:15] <SiDi> but is there any restriction in the moment that would prevent it ?
[17:15] <SiDi> is it easy for you to implement theming in notify-osd ?
[17:15] <MacSlow> no
[17:15] <MacSlow> theming is never easy
[17:16] <artir> this is awesome-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicBootExperienceDesignSpec
[17:16] <artir> :)
[17:16] <MacSlow> SiDi, side-effects are numerous
[17:16] <MacSlow> SiDi, the more freedom you want in theming the more complex it gets to implement that
[17:17] <SiDi> MacSlow: what side effects should be expected if we just allow picking a different bg and text colour ? not changing the size / font / style, just colors ?
[17:17] <SiDi> apart from cleverasses choosing grey on grey, of course
[17:17] <MacSlow> SiDi, very briefly I wanted to do notify-osd in pure gtk, but that did not allow the flexibility needed to implement all the spacing and layout requirements from the spec
[17:18] <MacSlow> SiDi, _if_ it would only be that it would be easy... just add two additional gconf-keys
[17:18] <MacSlow> SiDi, but then you introduce headaches in the update/upgrade migration process
[17:18] <SiDi> MacSlow: thats what i'm asking for. There are people who have visual defficiencies and who suffer from reading on black backgrounds
[17:19] <MacSlow> SiDi, it's not really my decision
[17:19] <SiDi> I understand that
[17:19] <SiDi> i'll mail ayatana then about this issue
[17:19] <MacSlow> SiDi, best approach for sure
[19:03] <macvr> djsiegel_: hi... busy?
[19:31] <djsiegel_> macvr: what's up?
[19:31] <djsiegel_> just got back from lunch
[19:32] <macvr> djsiegel_: nothing much but... i wanted your opinion on this> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/367626 < be warned it is something i had filed
[19:33] <macvr> i found the same behavior in Karmic exists, hibernate doesnt ask for confirmation still!
[19:33] <djsiegel_> hmm
[19:34] <djsiegel_> well, the argument is that hibernate is non-destructive, Ibet
[19:34] <macvr> shall i nuke it?
[20:52] <rgreening> kwwii: ping
[21:41] <kwwii> rgreening: pong
[21:42] <rgreening> hey man. Want to help create an appropriate icon for usb-creator-kde?
[21:42] <kwwii> rgreening: sure, I imagine I can help...I made the oxygen usb device icon as well :p
[21:43] <rgreening> kwwii: here's the original gtk one: http://imagebin.ca/view/9qaxEYqp.html
[21:43] <kwwii> rgreening: in fact, I am giving a chat on making an oxygen icon sunday night, perhaps I could use this as an example
[21:43] <rgreening> cool
[21:44] <kwwii> gtk? gtk? we don't need no stinking gtk!
[21:44] <rgreening> lol
[21:44] <kwwii> hehe, I will make something
[21:44] <rgreening> kwwii: here's my weak attempt... http://imagebin.ca/view/BdG-M6p.html
[21:44] <rgreening> Of course, not oxygenized :)
[21:44] <kwwii> to be honest, it would be better to put it on a stick instead of a hard-disk, or?
[21:44] <rgreening> Yeah.
[21:44] <rgreening> Sounds good
[21:44] <kwwii> well, we definitely don't want to use the human icon for this
[21:45] <kwwii> only the oxygen style
[21:45] <rgreening> yep. I assume in svg?
[21:45] <kwwii> yes, everything is done in svg (well, at least the first steps)
[21:46] <rgreening> cool.
[21:46] <rgreening> ty.
[21:46] <kwwii> give me a day or two and I'll get back to you
[21:46] <rgreening> np
[21:46] <kwwii> the chat is sunday at 22UTC
[21:46] <kwwii> so it should be done by then
[21:46] <rgreening> Im usingmy crappy one for now. :)
[21:46] <rgreening> ok. cool stuff
[21:47] <kwwii> it is a good place-holder and makes sure nobody forgets :)
[21:47] <kwwii> the ubuntu icon is pretty crappy, really
[21:47] <kwwii> proving that I don't do this stuff enough
[21:47] <kwwii> or it would bug me and I would fix it :p
[21:48] <kwwii> I used to use the usb creator a lot when I had a mobile device from canonical but since they took it back there is no reason to sue it
[21:48] <kwwii> use
[21:48] <kwwii> anyway
[21:48] <kwwii> I will be in touch
[21:48] <ScottK> kwwii: But now you'll be able to use it to install KDE on the device you don't have, so it's much better.
[21:48] <kwwii> lol, no doubt
[21:50] <macvr> kwwii: how was Transformers?
[22:01] <kwwii> macvr: my son is only 11 and they wouldn't let him in :p
[22:01] <kwwii> pg in bavaria is a bit different than anywhere else
[22:01] <macvr> ;p
[22:01] <kwwii> so we saw night in a museum 2
[22:05] <kwwii> I told him we will go back tomorrow and he can say is already 12 :p
[22:07] <kwwii> they have it figured out...the childrends ticket is up to 12 but children cannot get into pg films, even with a parent unless they are 12