[09:51] <TTilus> Hwolf: can you print anything?
[09:51] <Guardiann> I have a strange problem when I attempt to start xine I need to type ln -s hdc /dev/dvd. If I reboot I need to do the same. Is there away to set that command to start at boot?
[09:51] <Chongo> TTilus: it says that pcmcia-cs is installed, but that pcmcia-modules isn't
[09:51] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  some usb 2.0 devises arnt backward compatiable with 1.0 or 1.1
[09:51] <jatos> what the shell command tto delete a file (or folder)
[09:51] <Tuxicity> Hwolf, there is a plugin from Adobe
[09:51] <Hwolf> TTilus, I can print just fine. xpdf however won't let me
[09:51] <Tuxicity> zenrox, oh, tricky..
[09:52] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  yep
[09:52] <zenrox> so the only whay you know is if you try it
[09:52] <Tuxicity> jatos, rm OR rmdir
[09:52] <jatos> thanks
[09:52] <jatos> bbl
[09:52] <apply> My latest Hoary install hangs at boot time with "GRUB Loading stage1.5".  Anyone happen to know what causes this?
[09:52] <Chongo> TTilus: actually it doesn't say that pcmcia-modules isn't installed, it just doesn't have a version or description
[09:52] <TTilus> Chongo: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/pcmcia-cs
[09:53] <TTilus> Chongo: is it "pn"
[09:53] <Tuxicity> zenrox, is there any way to add some USB 2.0 ports to a USB 1.1 mobo?
[09:53] <Chongo> TTilus pcmcia-cs is installed 3.2.5, and has ii in front of it
[09:53] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  ya buy a usb 2.0 pci card
[09:53] <netmonk> ok, what does "line 55: ./firefox-installer-bin: cannot execute binary file" mean adn more important why? please, help
[09:53] <Chongo> TTilus: pcmcia-modules has un in front of it
[09:53] <Tuxicity> zenrox, oh cool.. r they cheap?
[09:53] <ZzeCoOl> is it posible to mount an NTSF partition with read/write permissions?
[09:54] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  farly 20-50 bucks
[09:54] <Tuxicity> zenrox, thnks for the tip
[09:54] <zenrox> Tuxicity n/p
[09:54] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, no
[09:54] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know if you can print 6 slides/page of a ppt presentation in openoffice-presentor?
[09:54] <TTilus> ZzeCoOl: yes, but i wouldnt do writing...
[09:54] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, it cant write to NTFS, only read
[09:54] <TTilus> ZzeCoOl: read only should be pretty safe, but writing is known to mess up NTFS
[09:55] <mjr> ZzeCoOl, with the free driver, not very usefully; there's a commercial proprietary driver that can supposedly do that, and then there's captive ntfs, which runs the native ntfs driver under emulation, if you're desperate :)
[09:55] <TTilus> Chongo: strange...
[09:55] <ZzeCoOl> mjk O_o
[09:55] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know if you can print 6 slides/page of a ppt presentation in openoffice-presentor?
[09:55] <TTilus> Chongo: where did your kernel package come from?
[09:55] <Guardiann> Hwolf why not just try
[09:55] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, or transfer your data to a ext3 part, I did
[09:56] <TTilus> Chongo: ubuntu installation maybe?
[09:56] <Chongo> TTilus: i just installed everything from the Ubuntu 4.10 cd
[09:56] <ZzeCoOl> i wnat to use windows partitions ....only so i can have access both ways
[09:56] <Hwolf> Guardiann, I've tried, can't find the option
[09:56] <ZzeCoOl> linux and win
[09:56] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, or use FAt32 for sharing between Windows and Linxu
[09:56] <ZzeCoOl> i think fat 32 is the answer
[09:56] <TTilus> Hwolf: print to file and psnup
[09:56] <TTilus> Hwolf: man psnup if you want to know more
[09:57] <TTilus> Chongo: i think pcmcia-modules is what you need right now
[09:58] <Chongo> TTilus: ok, where do i get it from?
[09:58] <kquamme94> hi everyone
[09:59] <TTilus> Chongo: you need to find the package corresponding to your installed kernel package
[09:59] <Chongo> TTilus: erm, where do i look for that? will it be on the cd?
[09:59] <TTilus> Chongo: should be... afaik
[09:59] <TTilus> Chongo: if that's where the kernel came from
[10:00] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, ya unless you have huge files (larger than 4GB!)
[10:00] <TTilus> Chongo: again, what was your uname-r ?
[10:00] <Tuxicity> kquamme94, hi
[10:00] <TTilus> Chongo: sorry, uname -r
[10:01] <Chongo> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[10:01] <Cindux> bla
[10:02] <Dko> Sorry for leaving like I did earlier.  But would anyone who is good at compiling smaug please help me?
[10:02] <Cindux> the newest Gnoppix OS wont workey on my PC upstairs lol
[10:02] <TTilus> try searching kernel-pcmcia-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 with synaptic or dpkg
[10:02] <Chongo> with the cd in?
[10:03] <TTilus> Chongo: uhh.. cd, never done cd with apt
[10:03] <TTilus> Chongo: it propably asks if you don't have it in
[10:03] <kbrooks> FINALLY!
[10:03] <Dko> Or someone who can help me work out these errors?
[10:04] <kbrooks> I got a Ubuntu Live cd and a install cd
[10:04] <kbrooks> ;)
[10:04] <Cindux> lo
[10:04] <Tuxicity> kbrooks, cool
[10:04] <Cindux> im just about to burn 4.10
[10:04] <kbrooks> i'm gonna try it out
[10:04] <kbrooks> cya
[10:05] <Dko> If no one here can help me could someone tell me a irc channel that might be able to?
[10:05] <Tuxicity> Dko, why do you compile it?
[10:05] <Dko> Because its uncompiled
[10:06] <Guardiann> Dko whats your problem
[10:06] <Cindux> brb gonna go test Gnoppix:p
[10:06] <Chongo> ok
[10:06] <Dko> Guardiann: Im trying to compile a custom smaug code base but I get a bunch of errors and warrnings
[10:06] <Chongo> TTilus: i think i added the CD not sure, searched for pcmcia, and have got sever options
[10:07] <Dko> All very simmilar to each other. So im thinking its somthing simple
[10:07] <Tuxicity> Dko, shouldnt you ask "smaug" people?
[10:07] <Guardiann> do you need everythig you require to compile it
[10:07] <Dko> I would if I knew a smaug irc
[10:07] <TTilus> Chongo: anything close to pcmcia-modules?
[10:07] <Guardiann> i mean do you have
[10:07] <Chongo> TTilus: nic-pcmcia-modules-2.6 etc, pcmcia-cs-udeb, pcmcia-modules-2.6 etc, pcmcia-storage-modules-2.6 etc
[10:07] <Dko> Guardiann: You mean do I need anything to compile it? I don't know
[10:07] <Chongo> TTilus: shall i install pcmcia-modules?
[10:08] <Guardiann> do you have everything you need as in gc
[10:08] <TTilus> Chongo: nic stands for network interface card, so that sounds pretty close
[10:08] <TTilus> Chongo: hit the road with pcmcia-modules
[10:08] <Chongo> TTilus: not nic ones?
[10:09] <Dko> Yea I have Gcc installed
[10:09] <TTilus> Chongo: i think pcmcia-modules depends on nic-pcmcia... and its installed too
[10:09] <Benjamin_L> how do i replace xlibmesa-gl with fglrx ? i can't remove xlibmesa-gl without removing dozens of other dependencies ?
[10:09] <Tuxicity> Dko, it might require some libs
[10:09] <TTilus> Chongo: try it out and check what happens
[10:10] <Chongo> TTilus: so i'm going to mark pcmcia-modules for installation
[10:10] <Tuxicity> Dko, did u ever compile anything b4?
[10:10] <nyxx> how do I format a partition from the livecd (old ntfs drive don't need the data on but do need the storage space)
[10:10] <Chongo> TTilus: it says it depends on kernel-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di but that that isn't installable
[10:11] <Tuxicity> nyxx, fdisk or cfdisk might do it?
[10:11] <TTilus> kernel-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di ?
[10:11] <Chongo> yeah
[10:11] <Benjamin_L> anyone ? how do i remove packeges using apt without caring for dependencies ?
[10:12] <luc1f3r> How do I make a mounted drive accessible to programs not run as root?
[10:12] <TTilus> Benjamin_L: you don't want to do that
[10:12] <TTilus> Benjamin_L: really...
[10:12] <Benjamin_L> i want do it, as i want replace xlibmesa-gl with fglrx
[10:12] <Benjamin_L> but i cant remove xlibmesa-gl alone
[10:13] <TTilus> luc1f3r: mount it so that it is accessible?
[10:13] <luc1f3r> I mounted a fat32 drive that has my Windows OS on it, it is accessible through terminal as root, but when I run programs such as XMMS to play mp3's off the drive, it won't find anything on the drive
[10:13] <chka> how i upgrade warty to hoarty
[10:13] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, umm, u know thats not the "normal" way of instaling the fglrx, right??
[10:13] <Chongo> TTilus: is there any way to fix that?
[10:13] <Benjamin_L> well apt-get install fglrx doesn't work
[10:14] <luc1f3r> TTilus: does that make sense to you?
[10:14] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, just making sure... you read the instructions on ubuntu.com?
[10:14] <Benjamin_L> not yet, didn't know there are any
[10:14] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, everything is explained!
[10:14] <Benjamin_L> ok, thanks I'll head over to ubuntu.com
[10:15] <chka> how to upgrade to hoarty?
[10:15] <funkyhat> with the hoary CD?
[10:16] <chka> is there any?
[10:16] <thenuke> with apt-get?
[10:16] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, serach on the Wiki
[10:16] <chka> i know but dist-upgrade
[10:16] <thenuke> chka: change wartys to hoary in /etc/apt/sources
[10:16] <thenuke> then use apt to upgrade
[10:16] <chka> but before i have install te software?
[10:17] <luc1f3r> TTilus: you still there?
[10:17] <chka> with alone the main sources?
[10:17] <TTilus> luc1f3r: mount options to set the owner and group are uid=value and gid=Value
[10:17] <TTilus> man mount
[10:17] <TTilus> man fstab
[10:17] <luc1f3r> TTilus: that is the solution to it?
[10:17] <luc1f3r> simply the permissions?
[10:18] <TTilus> luc1f3r: fat doesnt have file owners
[10:18] <Chongo> TTilus: do you know where i can find kernel-image...? synaptic can't find it?
[10:18] <chka> thenuke: only yje main sources ?
[10:18] <TTilus> luc1f3r: by default (if not assigned) all files are seen owned by root
[10:18] <luc1f3r> TTilus: okay, so in fstab, i have to change that
[10:18] <TTilus> luc1f3r: change that and you propably have what you want
[10:19] <luc1f3r> TTilus: thanks
[10:19] <TTilus> luc1f3r: yes, fstab
[10:19] <TTilus> Chongo: net  :-/
[10:20] <TTilus> Chongo: really... never done CD... im propably not able to help you with that one...  :(
[10:20] <Chongo> TTilus: i don't understand why it wouldn't install by default? is it worth just doing a clean installation, with the card in?
[10:21] <Chongo> TTilus: there's no way to connect it to the net...
[10:21] <caulktel> anybody know when to expect the free cd's?
[10:21] <caulktel> I have been waiting since oct.
[10:21] <TTilus> Chongo: that's why i did ":-/"
[10:21] <TTilus> :)
[10:22] <Chongo> TTilus: do you think that if i install it from scratch, it might recognise it and work?
[10:24] <kquamme94> does anyone here have anonymizing setup?
[10:26] <Chongo> TTilus: i think i'm going to have to just reinstall the OS, as i can't really spend any more time trying to figure it out - thank you so immensely much for all of your kind help!!!
[10:27] <luc1f3r> TTilus: what are the correct parameters for my fstab info??
[10:27] <luc1f3r> TTilus: /dev/hda1       /winfat32       vfat   defaults,uuid="root,rradjabi",noauto   0        0
[10:27] <luc1f3r> that is the line I want to edit to make accessible to user: rradjabi and root
[10:29] <october> crimsun you there?
[10:31] <october> hmmm
[10:31] <october> was thinking about trying Fedora Core 3.0 on here to see how it does with this video driver... (maybe save the XF86Config file and then re-install Ubuntu
[10:31] <bobalien> does anyone have any links to any extended information on using ubuntu on a windows (specifically win2k server) network - I'm something of a newb, and I've just posted to the forums, but I figured i'd check if anyone here had any links
[10:32] <bobalien> what i've found in the doc's hasn't helped as much as I've hoped
[10:32] <october> bobalien good question.
[10:32] <bobalien> nor what i read in the "unofficial" startup guide
[10:32] <october> essentially SMB with nautilus and such?
[10:32] <october> as an smbclient you mean?
[10:32] <bobalien> yes
[10:32] <bobalien> i've been able to mount thru the terminal
[10:32] <bobalien> but only read-only
[10:32] <bobalien> even with full access users
[10:33] <october> hmm, one thing you might be able to check out is..... search gnome help or nautilus help with smb.
[10:33] <october> bobalien I think that stuff is pretty much distro generic.
[10:33] <october> bobalien though, I could be wrong.
[10:33] <bobalien> that's what i figured
[10:33] <bobalien> no sweat
[10:33] <october> bobalien the blind leading the blind here... ;)
[10:33] <bobalien> i'm a total linux n00b heh
[10:33] <Xerbee> Hi all, im rather noob on this thing but i need some help with x-server
[10:34] <october> I've used Linux since 96' but...  I have used it exclusively, and don't know anything about Windows network integration with Linux.  Sorry bud.
[10:34] <bobalien> no prob
[10:34] <october> bobalien would like to hear about it though.
[10:34] <bobalien> well with any luck someone will respond to my forum post
[10:34] <october> Xerbee what is that exactly?  You need help getting it setup?
[10:34] <bobalien> or i'll be able to find a solution elsewhere
[10:35] <october> yah... this is a good channel for help... people seem asleep atm.
[10:35] <scizzo> bobalien: what are you trying to do?
[10:35] <october> heh
[10:35] <Xerbee> october, hmm sry for bad english first :) It says something like "Cant start your x-server plz reconfigure" but in swedish :)
[10:35] <october> Xerbee try this:   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:35] <october> Xerbee that might help you out.  and don't worry my english isn't so good either, and it's my native toungue :)
[10:36] <Xerbee> october, must be run as root...
[10:36] <bobalien> scizzo: for now I'd just like to be able to easily browse to the Win2k server shares thru the GUI, and maybe eventually link the system login to my Active Dir logins
[10:36] <october> Xerbee oops
[10:36] <october> Xerbee add sudo in front of that.
[10:36] <bobalien> I've enabled windows networking, and that didn't seem to help
[10:36] <october> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:36] <scizzo> bobalien: there are many ways to do that
[10:37] <bobalien> (i get permission errors when trying to access shares under the top server level i.e. another computer or the file server)
[10:37] <october> Xerbee you can always do:  sudo su -   (allows you to become root)  and then do things as root.
[10:37] <scizzo> bobalien: for example if you want to mount a dir on the desktop...open a nautilus window...go File->Connect to computer or something
[10:37] <Xerbee> october, ok its running.. now i have to select drivers... i have a ati card so i should select ati?
[10:38] <october> Xerbee that would be my guess ;)
[10:38] <bobalien> i've tried that all, but get permissions errors with File -> connect
[10:38] <r3m0t> hello
[10:38] <Hwolf> Xerbee -> ati for the open source xorg driver or fglrx for the closed source ati-driver
[10:38] <october> Xerbee I saw something on here about ati before though.   Someone said they just released new ATI drivers for Linux.
[10:38] <Xerbee> october, Ok i have tested that already, ati and then vga nothing works
[10:38] <mboumboum> probleme pour config ma carte pcmcia wifi linksys
[10:38] <october> Xerbee check out what Hwolf  said
[10:38] <r3m0t> my sound isn't working on a fairly fresh install; please help. I'm using amd64 and a SiS chipset for sound
[10:38] <mboumboum> si rep cool
[10:39] <Xerbee> Hwolf, Ok but im totaly noob. Can you explain it more?
[10:39] <october> heh
[10:40] <october> that would be a no.
[10:40] <Xerbee> damn :p
[10:40] <october> :)
[10:40] <october> hmm
[10:40] <mboumboum> est les gars
[10:40] <r3m0t> ?
[10:40] <october> and the what?
[10:40] <october> heh
[10:40] <mboumboum> une repons cool
[10:40] <Xerbee> the thing is that i tested vga and ati but its the same error
[10:41] <october> q'est qu cest "les gars" an anglais.  Mon francais et horrible
[10:41] <october> heh
[10:41] <r3m0t> *est :P
[10:41] <october> I can't type english, much less in french
[10:41] <Xerbee> october, Should i use Kernel framebuffer?
[10:41] <Pocky> uhm, hi...
[10:42] <october> Xerbee I'm thinking no...
[10:42] <Pocky> I'm having a problem.
[10:42] <Pocky> you know.
[10:42] <Pocky> with linux.
[10:42] <october> Xerbee do you have another box?  that is online connected to the net at the moment?  (windows or another linux box?)
[10:42] <Pocky> I have a live CD, but when I boot up from it, theres some text, and then the screen gets all garbled.
[10:43] <Xerbee> october, Im on my laptop now, and installing on another box
[10:43] <occy> Xerbee: hah, it's me "october"
[10:43] <occy> I pulled out my battery cable to test the battery and the laptop died.
[10:43] <Xerbee> occy, hehe
[10:43] <funkyhat> which mySQL packages do i need to install for interoperability with apache/php?
[10:43] <occy> apparently there is NO battery life.
[10:44] <occy> Xerbee: ahh.. ok... So, check out www.ati.com   let's see what is there.
[10:45] <Pocky> hello?
[10:45] <binbin> is there anything i can do to increase performance?
[10:45] <r3m0t> funkyhat: just the normal client ones should do
[10:45] <funkyhat> ok. so client and server packages :)
[10:45] <r3m0t> binbin: find out about prelinking, not sure it'll work well with Ubuntu though
[10:45] <Xerbee> occy, the problem is that i download the drivers from ati. I have no clue about how to get them to work
[10:46] <NanoTek> anybody know how to downgrade from a hoary to warty
[10:46] <NanoTek> ?
[10:46] <Pocky> uhm, I need help.
[10:46] <Pocky> a little.
[10:47] <mjr> NanoTek, I'd suggest a reinstall
[10:47] <NanoTek> i don't want to reinstall
[10:47] <Pocky> I'm trying to boot from a live cd.
[10:47] <Pocky> and when it boots, everything is garbled.
[10:47] <NanoTek> emerge knows to downgrade why not apt
[10:47] <NanoTek> ?
[10:47] <Xerbee> occy, The config is done, how do i boot now? restart or what?
[10:48] <Pocky> does anybody hear me?
[10:48] <Pocky> something must be wrong with my irc client...
[10:48] <Xerbee> yep, but i cant help you :(
[10:48] <Pocky> ah.
[10:48] <Pocky> okay.
[10:48] <funkyhat> yeah, we can hear you, can't really help though :(
[10:48] <Pocky> alright.
[10:49] <funkyhat> does anyone know if ubuntu live CD tests itself at all?
[10:49] <r3m0t> umm
[10:49] <r3m0t> in the installer you can
[10:49] <Pocky> see, I was gonna test ubuntu out, and if I liked it, install it on a second drive.
[10:49] <r3m0t> also, try "cdtest", "testcd", "mediatest" (etc) in the first prompt
[10:49] <Pocky> ok.
[10:51] <Pocky> ...the test cd prompt is garbled.
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: sorry, back
[10:51] <Pocky> ugh.
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: you could try and do:   startx
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: sec...
[10:51] <binbin> so other than prelinking, there is no way to increase overall system performance?
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: ctrl+alt+backspace will shut X down :)
[10:51] <Pocky> I see a U, and a couple bs flying around.
[10:52] <occy> Xerbee: just in case you get stuck.   Or,  ctrl+alt+F1
[10:52] <Xerbee> occy, Dont think X is running so there isnt much to get down :)
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: new hardware
[10:52] <occy> Xerbee: did you type startx ?
[10:53] <Xerbee> occy, Yeah, Fatal server error: no screens found.. funny im reading it on a screen that isnt found?
[10:53] <binbin> HrdwrBoB: this is on a laptop
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: that makes it a bit harder
[10:54] <cavediver> Hi all. I'm running gnome out of the box with my nvidia card. Is is better to download their binary driver ? Will in be faster performancewise ?
[10:54] <Pocky> would the screen be garbled if I just installed it?
[10:54] <binbin> in MS Windows there are many ways to increase performance.... but it sounds like linux is already running at the optimal performance
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: it will be much faster
[10:54] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/   is dead?
[10:54] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: really ?
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: pretty much, why would it be shipped in a non optimal state
[10:54] <occy> Xerbee: heh
[10:54] <cavediver> Are they possible to apt-get or is it the binary driver I must install ?
[10:54] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB holaaaa
[10:55] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[10:55] <occy> Xerbee: Did you check ati.com ?
[10:55] <ZzeCoOl> :D
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: you can apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:55] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/   is dead for me can anyone check it plz
[10:55] <Xerbee> occy, yep they have some drivers but i dont know how to get them in to my system :(
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> then run nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:55] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: What drivers does Ubuntu install with ?
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> the free drivers
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> make sure you have linux-restricted-modules installed
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> and it should be fine
[10:56] <Pocky> uh, warty is the latest release, right?
[10:56] <occy> Xerbee: :/  I wasn't joking when I said it was the blind leading the blind.  I am typically bad about getting these things to work....
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: yes
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is current unstable
[10:56] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: resticted-modules, what is that ?
[10:56] <Pocky> thanks.
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: it has the nvidia (and other) modules in it
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> check it's installed in synaptic
[10:56] <occy> Xerbee: this 64bit?
[10:57] <cafuego> cavediver: precompiled stuff that wasn't in debian. nvidia, fglrx, atheros wifi
[10:57] <Xerbee> occy, nope
[10:57] <occy> Xerbee: or just regular x86 hardware?  Pentium4?
[10:57] <Xerbee> occy, AMD Athlon xp barton 2800+
[10:57] <occy> Xerbee: type this:   lspci
[10:57] <cavediver> Ok I see.
[10:57] <occy> as root (over on that machine)
[10:57] <occy> it might work as your user too
[10:57] <occy> yeah, it should.
[10:58] <occy> Do you see the ATI card in there?
[10:58] <Xerbee> Yep
[10:58] <Xerbee> ATI Tech, unknown device :(
[10:58] <Pocky> Woo. I got it to work.
[10:58] <occy> Xerbee: let me check the wiki
[10:58] <Pocky> I had the resoultion way too high for my monitor.
[10:59] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: ok. install linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-k8, nvidia-glx and run nvidia-glx-config, right ?
[10:59] <Xerbee> occy, Ok it says  Unknow device 4a69
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: assuming your on amd84 and that's your kernel, yep
[10:59] <cavediver> yepp
[10:59] <occy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards/view?searchterm=ATI
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> 64
[10:59] <occy> Xerbee: look at that
[10:59] <cavediver> Will try that.
[11:00] <Xerbee> occy, Ok im on a x800
[11:00] <occy> Xerbee: x800 don't see that model.
[11:00] <Xerbee> occy, Maybe i need some more drivers then :(
[11:01] <caleb_> is 'w32codecs' in apt for anybody running hoary?  I think ive got all of the right repos added.
[11:01] <binbin> is there a web site out there that has information on optimizing my software to better match my harware?
[11:01] <Xerbee> occy, think i have booted with live cd on this box so if there is more drivers on the live then installed its very confusing
[11:02] <veristead> hey.... so i jst got my PPC verison of Ubuntu linux in the mail
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: you will spend many orders of magnitude more time trying to make your software run faster
[11:02] <funkyhat> binbin: www.linuxfromscratch.org might be good
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> than you could ever hope to gain by improving it
[11:02] <veristead> and am trying to install it any suggestions
[11:02] <veristead> ....
[11:02] <veristead> i was more curious about installing it to my iPod
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: just make sure the approriate kernel is running, and that should be it
[11:03] <binbin> i am using the latest release of Ubuntu
[11:03] <binbin> warty
[11:03] <funkyhat> you should be able to find a kernel with accelerators for your processor
[11:03] <Xerbee> occy, Maybe i have to try this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ATI fglrx, hwolf talked about that i think
[11:04] <veristead> :-\
[11:04] <veristead> no answer to my question i guess
[11:04] <veristead> must all be x86 users
[11:05] <occy> Xerbee: yah... possibly
[11:05] <occy> veristead: :/
[11:05] <occy> veristead: sorry... Can't afford new hardware.  heh.
[11:05] <occy> veristead: my friend just put gentoo on his 64bit laptop...     http://sweetooth.org/
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: is there a problem with it?
[11:06] <occy> veristead: probably totally different problem than you have (haven't been reading), but...
[11:06] <veristead> well no
[11:06] <veristead> i jst wanted to ask what you think this might do to my iPod
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> you want to install it on your ipod?
[11:06] <veristead> yea
[11:06] <veristead> it's working currently
[11:06] <veristead> np
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> I have no idea
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> no-one before yourself has probably even considered it
[11:07] <veristead> but i was curious if there would be a way to have my music playable while running Linux on it
[11:07] <veristead> well... i will let you know how it works
[11:07] <veristead> i guess
[11:07] <veristead> :-)
[11:07] <veristead> i have all the backup software to it if need be
[11:07] <Pocky> oh, I saw an article on using an ipod as a bootable HD.
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> look at the linux on ipod software
[11:08] <veristead> hrdwrBoB: yea i was scoping that out
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: yeah the trick is still having it work as an ipod :)
[11:08] <veristead> and it seems to be it's own version
[11:08] <veristead> and not a bootable drive
[11:08] <Pocky> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=308931
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> yes that's right
[11:08] <occy> Xerbee: good luck to you.... lurk here... and ask at different times of the day.  Someone can help you ultimately if you can't figure it out on your own.  I have to start making dinner now.  Sorry to run out on you bud.
[11:09] <jocco> is there going to be a backport for ATI Drivers for warty?
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: highly unlikely
[11:09] <jocco> HrdwrBoB Thankyou :)
[11:09] <Xerbee> occy, thx for the help, cya around :)
[11:09] <KlingElf> Just curious, does anybody else have serious issues with the partition manager on the warty install cd?
[11:10] <funkyhat> i didn't
[11:10] <jocco> I do, I have a fedora partition, and warty wont let me install shareing the same /swap and /home partition
[11:10] <darkling> I did.
[11:10] <darkling> I had problems with a preexisting LVM setup.
[11:10] <KlingElf> I've tried it 3 times or so, and every time, no matter what partition type I choose, it won't let me format a partition that way
[11:10] <Pocky> oh, theres a better article about booting linux off an ipod
[11:11] <veristead> article i am reading is saying that it will shorten the life of my iPod
[11:11] <Pocky> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:Tt8t2giTHiUJ:www.codepoetry.net/archives/2004/08/27/partitioning_the_ipod.php
[11:11] <veristead> cuz it will overheat
[11:11] <veristead> and shit like that
[11:11] <PattonPending> hey folks
[11:11] <KlingElf> Heya
[11:11] <PattonPending> I'm having a fun time with a little bug here
[11:11] <PattonPending> anyone got a minute?
[11:11] <veristead> it says that the mini hd is only rated at 20,000 hours
[11:12] <cavediver> What is this ?
[11:12] <cavediver>  powernow-k8: transition frequency failed
[11:12] <cavediver> All over my syslog.
[11:13] <cavediver> Is it Cool & Quiet not working correctly ?
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: have a search of ubuntulinux.org I think you need to update/change the powernos stuff
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> powernow
[11:13] <veristead> i am trying this currently
[11:13] <veristead> it's installing
[11:13] <Tuxicity> PattonPending, just ask
[11:13] <veristead> no error message yet
[11:13] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: alright. Nvidia drivers worked great btw
[11:13] <veristead> and i might jst use it temporarily to see how it works
[11:13] <jocco> should I be in init 3 when I upgrade to warty to hoary and try installing Xorg, and uninstalling Xfree?
[11:14] <veristead> and then restore the iPod
[11:14] <veristead> i think that will work
[11:14] <PattonPending> heh
[11:14] <PattonPending> just checking
[11:14] <veristead> :-\
[11:14] <veristead> fuck... i probably should have waited til after the play i have all my music on there
[11:14] <veristead> and it needs to be used for the tempest
[11:15] <veristead> i have backups on another machine though... so i guess that will be ok
[11:15] <veristead> hopefully
[11:15] <PattonPending> I was having some issues with OO, did a remove --purge and then a reinstall, that went fine, but I'm getting the oldschool "relocation errors" and "undefined symbol" problems when I try to run oowriter
[11:15] <PattonPending> and its getting really irritating
[11:16] <enkrates> Hello, everyone.  Can nautilus burn img files?
[11:21] <enkrates> I'm running warty and I'm trying to add programs to the Application menu in Gnome....can anyone point me to some documentation for that?
[11:21] <PattonPending> Cavediver.. look here.  More information and apparrantly a patch of sorts http://kerneltrap.org/node/4335
[11:22] <cavediver> If not, can one convert them to iso ?
[11:22] <veristead> anyone know?
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: you can convert them
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: google for img to iso or similar
[11:22] <PattonPending> again on my little issue... anyone having problems with openoffice?
[11:23] <cavediver> I'll do that
[11:23] <enkrates> I've already spent some time googling and looking through www.ubuntulinux.com and so far no luck.
[11:23] <enkrates> I think when I used an earlier version of Gnome there was an Application menu editor, but I can't find it on Ubuntu
[11:24] <enkrates> which I believe has Gnome 2.8
[11:24] <veristead> does anyone know if Ubuntu has support for Apple's Airport Card
[11:24] <Tuxicity> enkrates, in Nautilus, go to location "applications://"
[11:24] <veristead> both extreme and original
[11:24] <veristead> ?????????
[11:24] <mjr> veristead, it's my second-hand understanding that the original is supported but extreme is not
[11:24] <veristead> ah
[11:25] <veristead> that needs to be fixed
[11:25] <mjr> well, fixing that would require apple's co-operation to come about in an effective way
[11:25] <enkrates> tuxicity, I'm there but my next step is non-obvious :)
[11:25] <PattonPending> tux, I think he's looking for like the "find the bin... find the icon" type steps
[11:26] <Pocky> there might be a sourceforge driver.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> Tuxicity: right click, add launcher
[11:26] <enkrates> my goal is to be able to have more applications listed in the foot pull-down menu.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> er enkrates
[11:27] <Lowry> hi all
[11:27] <enkrates> So, for example, I can much more quickly use emacs, or screem, or what have you.
[11:27] <Lowry> Got a ppc build question.
[11:27] <Lowry> trying to get dri working on my g3
[11:28] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=13390&page=3&pp=10
[11:28] <Lowry> has "I'm hearing reports that 6.8.1-1ubuntu11 fixed it -- you might want to give that a shot."
[11:28] <enkrates> In debian, I recall I had a "Debian menu" from which I could click on pretty much any program I had installed.
[11:28] <Lowry> How do I get to6.8.1-1ubuntu11 ?
[11:28] <Tuxicity> enkrates, goto say Applications, Multimedia, right-click, Entire Menu, Add new item to this menu
[11:29] <Tuxicity> enkrates, I think the Debian menu will be in Hoary, but for now, do what I just said
[11:29] <Lowry> normal upgrade or a new ubuntu cd image?
[11:29] <enkrates> Tuxicity, right-clicking doesn't do anything
[11:29] <enkrates> I tried each of the submenus, but they all had no response.
[11:30] <Tuxicity> enkrates, dont right-click on Multimedia, right-click on say CD Player inside Multimedia
[11:31] <enkrates> Tuxicity, that worked like a charm. :)
[11:31] <enkrates> I guess, when in doubt, always right-click.
[11:32] <Tuxicity> enkrates, you just had to experiment a little
[11:32] <Cube-ness> hmm.. are there change logs somewhere for the kernel versions being put out for hoary?
[11:32] <enkrates> Tuxicity, thanks for your help. :) Peace out.
[11:33] <Tuxicity> enkrates, no problem
[11:33] <bassinboy> hey could i get help with my digi cam? <i know how to do it, but things seem different on ubuntu>
[11:33] <Cube-ness> all kernels since the 2.6.9 series have panic at hotplug init. for me
[11:34] <bassinboy> crap
[11:34] <veristead> ahhh... installation had error
[11:34] <Cube-ness> keep hoping the fix, which seems to have been done for fc3, gets rolled in..
[11:34] <Cube-ness> hehe
[11:34] <bassinboy> usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[11:34] <bassinboy> now what? heh
[11:34] <bassinboy> sda is my harddrive. and there is no sdb
[11:35] <veristead> it says "The Bootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for the details'
[11:35] <veristead> this is during the installation of Ubuntu Linux
[11:35] <veristead> for PPC
[11:35] <veristead> the failing step is installing the base station
[11:36] <veristead> what must i do now??
[11:37] <Pocky> uh, no idea.
[11:37] <Pocky> that means it couldn't get into the little program that boots you into linux.
[11:38] <veristead> well... why the fuck not
[11:38] <veristead> it should tell me reason
[11:38] <veristead> reasons
[11:38] <Pocky> I dunno.
[11:38] <veristead> those bastards
[11:38] <veristead> do i need it?
[11:38] <veristead> can i skip it
[11:39] <veristead> and see what happens?
[11:39] <Pocky> um, yes. you need it.
[11:39] <veristead> figures thatr
[11:39] <veristead> damn bastard
[11:40] <Pocky> you might need to do a custom partition setup to get it to work, but I don't know anything.
[11:40] <veristead> must be the iPod firmware
[11:40] <veristead> oh well
[11:40] <veristead> w/e
[11:40] <veristead> i'm gonna rest it for now
[11:40] <veristead> then backup all my files on my eMac and try installing it directly
[11:40] <veristead> that way
[11:40] <veristead> i wonder if i can dual boot them
[11:41] <veristead> :-\
[11:41] <Pocky> I dual booted it on my imac before.
[11:41] <Pocky> it works.
[11:41] <Pocky> but, you have to delete, like, everything.
[11:41] <veristead> yea i know
[11:42] <crimsun> occy: I am now. What's up?
[11:42] <veristead> i have many HDs to backup my Emac
[11:42] <veristead> so i'm not worried
[11:42] <veristead> i will probably only give it a 10gb partition for Linux
[11:42] <bassinboy> hey could i get help with my digi cam? <i know how to do it, but things seem different on ubuntu>   (repeat) ... sorry lol
[11:42] <veristead> good news is that my eMac now restarting and is booting into OS X
[11:42] <veristead> no problems yet
[11:43] <veristead> i jst need to change my startup disk
[11:43] <veristead> and i am going to reinstall my apple iPod software
[11:43] <veristead> and hope that works
[11:44] <veristead> fuck my iPod is hot
[11:44] <veristead> damn
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: it should Just Work
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> when you plug it in
[11:44] <KlingElf> Hey there. I'm having some trouble with the installer. Everything's fine up until the partition manager. I tried pre-formatting the partitions to install ubuntu, and everything seems to go fine, according to Partition Magic. When the Ubuntu installer tries to mount the partition, however, it says that it can't. Any explanations?
[11:44] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: ok.... where is it
[11:45] <Pocky> oh, yeah.
[11:45] <Pocky> because you were installing stuff on it.
[11:45] <veristead> i'm intiallizing it now
[11:45] <binbin> what is the latest kernel?
[11:45] <Pocky> you should like, just kinda stick a fan on top of it.
[11:45] <Pocky> er something.
[11:45] <crimsun> binbin: for...?
[11:46] <Pocky> it might cool it, mabey
[11:46] <kbrooks> I just installed Ubuntu.
[11:46] <binbin> crimsun, do you mean .... my machine or the ubuntu release
[11:46] <Tuxicity> kbrooks, congrats :)
[11:46] <kbrooks> And I now have Debian / Ubuntu side by side....
[11:46] <scizzo> binbin: www.kernel.org
[11:46] <veristead> yay it didn't loose anything
[11:46] <crimsun> binbin: you asked, I'm trying to clarify.
[11:46] <PattonPending> yay kbrooks
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: it's USB I assume
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> when you plug it in
[11:47] <kbrooks> i have 2 hard drives -- hda is for debian and hdb is for ubuntu
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus should pop up a window
[11:47] <Pocky> hey, I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old crappy PC, and it just stopped
[11:47] <veristead> just needs to update it
[11:47] <Gones> nobody speak French plz ?
[11:47] <Pocky> it was "Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #1 of IDE1 master (hda)..."
[11:47] <kbrooks> i might get another hard drive, however, i do not have money. i might install gentoo on it. :P
[11:47] <Pocky> and it froze at 25%
[11:48] <kbrooks> Gones, hold on.
[11:48] <Pocky> anyone have any ideas?
[11:48] <Gones> hold on what ?
[11:48] <kbrooks> Gones, try #ubuntu-fr
[11:48] <Gones> oki sry, Think
[11:48] <veristead> Gones: Je parle franais
[11:48] <Gones> ba viens sur le chan si tu pesu meric
[11:49] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: true true, but nothing is happening
[11:49] <Tuxicity> Gones, je parle franais
[11:49] <Lowry> veristead - gl with your emac
[11:49] <Lowry> I have ubuntu on my g3 powerbook
[11:49] <veristead> Gones: oui
[11:49] <Pocky> any help?
[11:49] <Pocky> no?
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: what do you mean, it pops up an empty window?
[11:50] <veristead> Avec ce que  vous ont besoin de l'aide ?
[11:50] <Lowry> What is/where is the ppc 6.8.1-1ubuntu11 build?
[11:50] <veristead> Lowry thanx
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: the hdd might have bad sectors
[11:50] <kbrooks> why is sudo recommended
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: check the console at alt+f4
[11:50] <veristead> yay iPod is done updating
[11:50] <Lowry> you can dual boot iirc
[11:51] <jdub> kbrooks: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[11:51] <veristead> luckily i have an external Hard Drive
[11:51] <funkyhat> what's the command to force restart apache?
[11:51] <keyshawn2> howdy
[11:51] <keyshawn> any experienced mplayer users in here ?
[11:52] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: no, nothing happens at all, except dmesg shows usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[11:52] <kbrooks> *
[11:52] <kbrooks>       Initially the Ubuntu team wanted the easiest install possible. By not enabling root, a couple of steps requiring user interaction during install could be avoided. (Colin Watson)
[11:52] <kbrooks> aha
[11:52] <Pocky> Jan 18 23:39:24 (none) user.notice hotplug-misc: got unsupported event type "block"
[11:52] <veristead> i have mplayer... but for os x
[11:52] <kbrooks> and debian has that in the install............ah
[11:52] <Pocky> that pops up alot.
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: what does lsusb say
[11:53] <Pocky> does that mean my HD is dead?
[11:53] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04a9:30b9 Canon, Inc.
[11:53] <Pocky> because if that's true, I only have a 1 gig backup HD to fall back on.
[11:53] <veristead> i dunno
[11:53] <Pocky> and that would suck.
[11:54] <Gones> how to i can install a driver plz ? do you have this HOWTO but in french ?
[11:54] <veristead> it sounds unixy or linuxy like
[11:54] <Pocky> lol
[11:54] <kbrooks> hmmm
[11:54] <veristead> and i dnt speak unix or linux
[11:54] <Pocky> yeah. it does.
[11:54] <KlingElf> veristead: BSD? ;)
[11:54] <kbrooks> brb.
[11:54] <Pocky> uhm... I know some BASIC....
[11:54] <Pocky> I think...
[11:54] <keyshawn> do you need someone to translate it ?
[11:54] <veristead> klingElf: yes but it's in the Appleish dialect
[11:54] <Pocky> x_x
[11:55] <KlingElf> Hehe
[11:55] <veristead> so it is very user friendly
[11:55] <veristead> and pretty
[11:55] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: hmm, i see it in "device manager" though
[11:55] <Pocky> and see-through.
[11:55] <Pocky> with lazers.
[11:55] <veristead> it says outright what the problem is
[11:55] <KlingElf> Wish I could get Ubuntu installed...CD checks out fine, partition reads as a perfect ext3 partition, swap's good...
[11:55] <kbrooks> what does N.B. mean?
[11:56] <Agrajag> nota bene
[11:56] <Pocky> uhm nota bene?
[11:56] <Agrajag> it's latin for "note well"
[11:56] <kbrooks> oh, ok.
[11:56] <Pocky> I thought it was latin for "not a bean."
[11:56] <kbrooks> what's the deal with this....'universe'?
[11:56] <Lowry> veristead - do you have an isight?
[11:57] <kbrooks> anyway, i want to update xchat
[11:57] <kbrooks> 2.0.8 is very old
[11:57] <keyshawn> kbrooks, one of the depositories has it.
[11:57] <veristead> for example it would say "Can't find file "little teens fucking.mpg" becuase of one or more of the following reasons 1) you don't have it.   4) your parents found it 5) your brother foundn it and is gay so he doesn't need it 6) you have selected the wrong directory... please check your request and fix it"
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: that means that either there's no driver for it
[11:58] <kbrooks> keyshawn, huh?
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> or it's not loaded properly
[11:58] <veristead> Lowry: why you want to have cyber sex on webcam?
[11:58] <Pocky> it WOULD. except most compies don't have mpgs called little teens fucking.
[11:58] <mz2> kbrooks, use the hoary backports repo if you want a more recent xchat
[11:58] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: weird. its in device drivers
[11:58] <kbrooks> mz2, and that is where
[11:58] <Pocky> and if they do, I have no faith in humanity.
[11:58] <keyshawn> [mz2 said it]
[11:58] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: i mean device manager *
[11:58] <veristead> Pocky: fuck... am i the only one??
[11:58] <jdub> kbrooks: if you're using warty, it's stable. there are no version updates. hoary, the devel branch, is far newer, and will be released in march/april.
[11:59] <Lowry> just wondering if you got isight video working with ubuntu
[11:59] <veristead> oh no
[11:59] <mz2> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[11:59] <veristead> i dnt us Ubuntu
[11:59] <veristead> cuz i dnt have it installed yet
[11:59] <veristead> i need to backup my hard drive first
[11:59] <kbrooks> o
[11:59] <veristead> takes a little while to do
[11:59] <kbrooks> i'll grab the .deb, mz2
[11:59] <Pocky> I think my HD is broken.
[11:59] <kbrooks> thx


[12:17] <c00l2sv> hi guys
[12:17] <c00l2sv> nalioth: are you online?
[12:18] <c00l2sv> or jenda or vorian , somebody from /freenode/staff
[12:22] <Rafik_> c00l2sv, may be #freenode is the right place.. or #ubuntu-irc
[12:24] <c00l2sv> Rafik_: thx, but what's the point? The same people under those nicknames should be there too... Just hope they'll wake up soon :)
[12:30] <elky> why not state what you need so people can look into it in the mean time
[12:31] <roxan> is this class over?
[12:31] <c00l2sv> elky: ok, but in the FAQ it says only a someone from freenode stuff can help with it
[12:32] <c00l2sv> I wanted to ask about cloaks
[12:32] <c00l2sv> We're a linux user group
[12:32] <elky> c00l2sv, then that's very much *not* something to use an ubuntu channel for.
[12:32] <c00l2sv> and also a small community who is doing localizations and other FLOSS supporting activities
[12:33] <c00l2sv> so I wanted to ask about group cloaks
[12:33] <c00l2sv> elky: I understand what you're saying
[12:33] <c00l2sv> but after /who freenode/staff/*
[12:34] <elky> c00l2sv, then ask in #freenode
[12:34] <c00l2sv> 3 of the staff members we're found on this channel
[12:34] <elky> they will look there first, i'll promise you that
[12:34] <c00l2sv> elky: :) thx for help
[12:35] <elky> in fact, i know some staffers ignore requests asked in clearly inappropriate places.
[14:45] <spiritssight> any one able to help get MP3 playing
[14:50] <jrib> spiritssight: #ubuntu for help
[14:51] <spiritssight> no one is response to me, and I don't think that any one does not know as well people there are smart :-)


[00:43] <Lex79> cjwatson: can you add in kubuntu set of packages koffice-l10n and kde-l10n-* ? also, it doesn't make sense have language-pack-kde-* (they are signed by  automatic language-pack builder) it make sense have kde-l10n-*. Thanks
[03:37] <cjwatson> Lex79: please mail me about it, I'll need to figure out how to add wildcard exceptions.  (also I don't think it's worth putting in effort to actively remove language-pack-kde-*)
[03:40] <Lex79> cjwatson: ok
[09:12] <gaspa> someone knows if there 's a tag for bugs about  fail to build with gold linker?
[09:34] <tumbleweed> gaspa: such bugs are tagged in debian (see the natty open announcement email)
[09:35] <gaspa> tumbleweed: but in debian they still build, often
[09:35] <gaspa> (anyway, let's see..:P)
[09:35] <tumbleweed> yeah, but someone has been running rebuilds with gold
[09:36] <gaspa> tumbleweed: well, i'd like to see some diff to see the fixes...
[09:37] <tumbleweed> I don't know of a tag on the ubuntu side. There's a wiki page with a list of the early fixes, but I don't think people are updating it.
[09:39] <gaspa> tumbleweed: link?
[09:40] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobSavoye/GoldFixes
[09:40] <gaspa> tumbleweed: thanks  alot
[09:42] <tumbleweed> yeah, I don't see that many people forwarding patches to debian for this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:59] <gaspa> tumbleweed: ever faced things like «unrecognized option '-Bsymbolic-functions;-Wl'»
[09:59] <gaspa> ?
[10:17] <tumbleweed> gaspa: haven't seen that
[10:18] <gaspa> tumbleweed: pity, thanks ;)
[12:49] <jemadux> i am not a devel , but i want to know... in natty will have uninity instead of gnone ?
[12:49] <sebner> jemadux: du mean unity instead of gnome-shell?!
[12:50] <jemadux> yes this i mean
[12:50] <sebner> jemadux: gnome-shell != gnome, it's just a part of it but the answer is yes
[12:54] <jemadux> gnome shell == part of gnome 3 ?
[12:55] <Oli```> Hey does anybody know what state a window has to be to be able to overlay the panel?
[12:56] <sebner> jemadux: jes
[12:56] <sebner> *yes
[12:57] <jemadux> ok :)
[13:14] <jemadux> unity is a fork of gnome shell ?
[13:15] <StevenK> It is not
[13:21] <jemadux> and why dont make a version of ubuntu called unibuntu ? and leave to 11.04 with gnome-shell ? :p
[13:55] <om26er> can anyone please sponser bug 636161 ? (upstream recommended)(sru approved)
[14:42] <Riddell> ttx: server natty kolab rescheduled for tomorrow at 11:00/16:00 in #ubuntu-uds-curacao12, if one/some of your people could be there that would be lovely
[14:43]  * ttx looks
[14:44] <ttx> zul_: do you think you can go ? I need to be in the automated testing / Hudson one
[14:44] <zul_> sure
[14:44] <ttx> zul_: or find someone else more interested than you are :)
[15:12] <maco> kees: that ptrace change that breaks debuggers in 10.10... emails say to put 0 in /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope but when i try to echo | tee it tells me that file doesn't exist. how do i debug?
[15:13] <kees> maco: where did you find that path documented? (it's the old path)
[15:13] <cjwatson> maco: cjwatson
[15:13] <cjwatson> err?
[15:14] <cjwatson> maco: /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope
[15:14]  * cjwatson is not a kernel configuration path
[15:14] <kees> maco: the correct path ... what cjwatson said faster than me :)
[15:14] <maco> kees: i was grepping emails
[15:14] <maco> cjwatson: thanks
[15:15] <kees> maco: ah-ha, okay. it was discovered that gdb lost the "education" patch it had -- I actually just uploaded the fix for that to proposed
[15:15] <kees> maco: but the release notes and things hsould have it updated.
[15:24] <tseliot> pitti: ping
[15:24] <pitti> tseliot: pong
[15:25] <tseliot> pitti: can we talk a bit about jockey some time today?
[15:25] <pitti> tseliot: I'd have time today at 12:00
[15:27] <pitti> tseliot: my afternoon is full already
[15:28] <nemo> hm. ok. I disabled all my cronjobs that use gconf, and Xorg is no longer steadily sucking up memory.
[15:28] <tseliot> pitti: great, shall we meet at the front desk (where Michelle and Marianna are) by then?
[15:28]  * nemo searches for known related bugs
[15:28] <nemo> s/gconf/dbus/
[15:28] <pitti> tseliot: yes, sounds good
[15:30] <tseliot> pitti: ok, I'll see you there then
[15:44] <m_101> hi!
[15:44] <m_101> i found weird behavior with Unity interface
[15:44] <m_101> :(
[15:45] <m_101> Unity kind of "restart" when i change tabs in Kile
[15:56] <svwilliams> has anyone had the issue with Unity that if you hibernate the images on the bar to the left become white blocks?
[15:57] <svwilliams> when you return
[16:13] <hrw|uds> hi
[16:14] <hrw|uds> someone remember which kernel version does ubuntu udev require?
[16:14] <ebroder> hrw|uds: udev generally requires a kernel *at least as new* as was released with that version of ubuntu
[16:15] <hrw|uds> ebroder: sure, but I have a board which has 2.6.31 only so far and we want to get buntu working on it with this version
[16:15] <ebroder> hrw|uds: Then you probably either need to look at karmic (or at least karmic's udev) or be prepared for some potential pain
[16:37] <rhys> did anyone ever notice that http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnuplot-nox package pulls in a ton of X11 libraries?
[16:37] <rhys> its not actually "nox"
[16:43] <geser> which ones? I don't see any X package in depends for that package
[16:53] <ChogyDan> geser: maybe it is groff
[16:55] <rhys> Its groff
[16:56] <rhys> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/groff
[16:56] <rhys> those pull in alot more
[16:56] <rhys> is there a flag to apt/dpkg to shut off installing "recommended"
[16:56] <rhys> ?
[16:56] <psusi> --no-install-recommends
[17:03] <ebroder> or --without-recommends if you're using aptitude
[17:03] <\sh> rhys: in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99norecommends paste the following:http://paste.ubuntu.com/521508/
[17:04] <\sh> dunno if aptitude respects apt configurations
[17:04] <ebroder> \sh: It should
[17:04] <\sh> ebroder: I try to avoid aptitude ;)
[17:05] <ebroder> \sh: I'm less opinionated about it than I used to be now that apt-get's resolver got better
[17:06] <rhys> interesting
[17:11] <rhys> should groff be suggested and not recommended?
[17:13] <\sh> rhys: depends?
[17:13] <\sh> rhys: which packages
[17:13] <\sh> s/s$//
[17:14] <rhys> \sh, for the "gnuplot-nox" package
[17:14] <rhys> i am not familiar with the policy on what recommends should be
[17:15] <rhys> it just seems strange to me that "apt-get install gnuplot-nox" gets "groff" which gets a bunch of X11 libraries.
[17:17] <\sh> Well, recommends only says (as I interpretate it), that it will install additional packages which will give the app in the to be install package more functionality...which is for desktop ok, regarding a server, I would always go without recommends...
[17:20] <micahg> I thought recommends is for packages that would be used with the package in most scenarios
[17:25] <\sh> micahg: well, they are not "Essential" for the functionality...but gives eventually more functionallity...well, on servers I always deploy apt without recommends installation...especially on vmware machines, with openvm-tools...
[17:25] <micahg> \sh: right, essential is depends
[17:28] <rhys> ah. right
[17:31] <\sh> micahg: when zf 1.11 is out and reaching natty..you get again some work ;)
[17:31] <micahg> \sh: heh, no problem, maybe I'll be MOTU by then and we can backport officially :)
[17:33] <\sh> micahg: I thought you wanted to be motu at the end of UDS?
[17:33] <micahg> \sh: yes, but we'll see
[17:37] <\sh> micahg: good luck :)
[17:37] <micahg> \sh: thansk
[17:37] <micahg> *thanks
[17:37] <Keybuk> kees: I saw this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RemoveSETUID and thought of you
[17:40] <kees> Keybuk: yup. Debian and Ubuntu need to support fscaps first. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/FilesystemCapabilties
[17:40] <kees> Keybuk: Fedora is just bringing this idea back up because of the recent libc vulnerabilities
[17:40] <Keybuk> indeed
[17:42] <kees> which isn't very helpful because at least something will still have CAP_SYS_ADMIN, and that's virtually everything anyway. :P
[17:43] <ebroder> Are they going to drop sudo or something?
[17:43] <ebroder> Push everything through PolKit?
[17:44] <kees> ebroder: the ultimate goal has always been to get rid of sudo in favor of PolKit, yeah.
[17:46] <Keybuk> kees: ah, I remember this - we can't do fscaps because we use squashfs for the live cd
[17:46] <ebroder> Keybuk: Doesn't squashfs have xattr support?
[17:47] <ebroder> (at least in theory)
[17:47] <Keybuk> squashfs barely has permissions support ;-)
[17:47] <Keybuk> in fact, we're lucky it does directories
[17:47] <cody-somerville> lol
[19:50] <bmm> I've got a python package with a setup.py which defines "entry_points" containing "console_scripts", which easy install will create into a file in the bin directory but cdbs does not seem to understand that.
[19:51] <bmm> Any tips, do I need to symlink, patch, or is there a way to configure cdbs to understand that?
[19:55] <ebroder> bmm: What does cdbs need to understand about that?
[19:56] <ebroder> If you're using the python-distutils.mk class, it should run (something like) setup.py install, which will install the script into (something like) $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/bin, in which case everything will be fine
[19:59] <bmm> ebroder: ok, I'll have to check again then..
[20:04] <bmm> ebroder: Ok, it's not working yet, but I'm to tired to finish it today. I'll have a look at it tomorrow or something. Thanks for the response!
[20:05] <ebroder> bmm: Hmm...it's possible that cdbs is passing some weird argument that keeps the setup.py script from creating the script (like --one-version-centrally-managed or whatever that argument is called)
[20:09] <bmm> ebroder: I'll write that down for tomorrow :)
[20:19] <ebroder> Hmm...I can't magically build a URL for ".dsc file of the current version of <package> in <release>", right? I have to hit the API?
[20:20] <dholbach> ebroder, apt-get source? :-)
[20:20] <ebroder> dholbach: For arbitrary values of <release> :)
[20:20] <dholbach> ebroder, -t :)
[20:21] <ebroder> Thet let's me pull from different pockets but not, say, get a maverick source package on a lucid machine
[20:21] <dholbach> chdist might be easier
[20:23] <ebroder> whoa...
[20:23] <ebroder> Never seen that before
[20:23] <ebroder> Although I still don't think that actually solves this particular problem; I'll just use the API
[20:24] <dholbach> ebroder, what exactly are you trying to do? just get a source package from a different release?
[20:24] <ebroder> I'm trying to write a script that does that. (This is eventually going to be for backports testing)
[20:25] <geser> ebroder: something like "pull-lp-source" in u-d-t?
[20:25] <dholbach> ebroder, to me chdist looks like a good idea for using that :)
[20:26] <ebroder> geser: Uh...yeah. Something exactly like pull-lp-source :-P
[20:26] <ebroder> Thanks for that
[20:29] <micahg> stgraber: are you interested in merging pidgin?
[20:29] <stgraber> micahg: not really
[20:29] <micahg> stgraber: ok, thanks
[20:29]  * micahg will prepare a merge later
[20:30] <stgraber> micahg: I just happen to be the last uploader because a colleague of mine needed a patch from upstream to be applied to our package. Latest upstream should have it so this delta can be dropped.
[20:30] <micahg> stgraber: right, I figured as much, but wanted to ask anyways
[20:46] <Riddell> skaet: ping
[20:46] <skaet> Riddell: hi
[22:45] <slangasek> ogra_ac: since you appear to be able to reproduce bug #652035, can you confirm the fix for SRU verification?
[22:46]  * ogra_ac checks which one that is
[22:46] <ogra_ac> slangasek, comment 11 isnt enough ?
[22:51] <slangasek> ogra_ac: if you can confirm that the fix crimsun uploaded to his ppa is identical to the one that was in the SRU queue?
[22:51] <ogra_ac> slangasek, already done
[22:51] <ogra_ac> i commented
[22:53] <slangasek> ogra_ac: ok, thanks!


 I'm tired... Been up since 4. You?
[05:43] <pavlushka> I am up since 6, already had some pauses like zzzzzzz, otherwise great!
[05:46] <anton_may> Mornings
[05:46] <pavlushka> Good morning anton_may on this very 12th May!
[05:50] <mazal> Takelot has a SSD on special today for R1099. ( 240gig) http://www.takealot.com/crucial-bx200-240gb-solid-state-drive/PLID40996021
[05:51] <pavlushka> o/ mazal chesedo !
[05:51] <mazal> Hia ll
[05:51] <Kilos> thats a good size but still costly
[05:51] <mazal> Let's try again , hi all
[05:51] <pavlushka> lol
[05:51] <mazal> Someday I will learn to type
[05:52] <mazal> Kilos, is much better than the usual R2000
[05:52] <Kilos> yes it is
[05:52] <mazal> But yeah , still very expensive for only 240gig
[05:52] <Kilos> mind you this 128g is holding out well here
[05:52] <theblazehen> mazal: people need to stop telling me these things
[05:53] <Kilos> haha
[05:53] <mazal> theblazehen, I have that problem with the gaming specials lol. for the last 2 weeks it's been the one new release after another :P
[05:53] <mazal> But I said no to all of them...so far
[05:53] <theblazehen> mazal: nice :)
[05:54] <pavlushka> Its Henderson with a blaze I see.
[05:54] <pavlushka> Hello theblazehen !
[05:54] <theblazehen> Hey pavlushka how are you?
[05:54] <mazal> I have a new strategy with them
[05:55] <pavlushka> doing great, thanks, and you?
[05:55] <mazal> Wait 1 year and buy the GOTY half price
[05:55] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[05:56] <mazal> Only 1 flaw with that plan , only a select few gets a GOTY edition
[05:56] <mazal> Hi nlsthzn
[05:57] <paddatrapper> mazal: That's not a flaw, it simply weeds out the worse ones!
[05:57] <mazal> paddatrapper, true that
[05:58]  * nlsthzn reboots, plasma all screwy
[05:58] <mazal> I'm actually concidering reducing my equipment as well and sell the PS4. But not sure if I should
[05:59] <Kilos> lol
[05:59] <mazal> Then I can't buy at all as PS3/360 not supported with new stuff anymore
[06:00] <mazal> But must make reduction somehow , things got out of hand
[06:04] <Kilos> stay strong
[06:05] <mazal> Step 1. Admit you have a problem lol
[06:05] <mazal> What was step 2 again ?
[06:10] <Kilos> haha
[06:10] <Kilos> embed it
[06:10] <Kilos> step 3 is live by the new outlook
[06:13] <paddatrapper> Step 4: profit?
[06:56] <thatgraemeguy> hello peoples
[06:58] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[06:59] <Kilos> hi ambo
[07:15] <chesedo> hi anton_may pavlushka mazal Kilos paddatrapper theblazehen and others
[07:15] <anton_may> evening
[07:15] <theblazehen> Hey thatgraemeguy chesedo
[07:15] <theblazehen> anton_may:
[07:15] <anton_may> lo theblazehen
[07:15] <theblazehen> I suspect  I'd get a mixed reaction if I said "installing zol now.  Five0 is here
[11:16] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd
[11:19] <andrewlsd> hi thatgraemeguy
[11:19] <andrewlsd> ag
[11:19] <andrewlsd> autocomplete
[11:19] <andrewlsd> hi theblazehen
[11:20] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[11:20] <theblazehen> hi thatgraemeguy
[11:21] <andrewlsd> hi thatgraemeguy  too :-)
[11:24] <Kilos> haha
[11:25] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[11:30] <pavlushka> Hello chesedo, how is the day?
 theblazehen: does your site just pull the xkcd comics randomly?
[11:53] <theblazehen> How do you mean by pulling?
[11:54] <theblazehen> Just check the code. I have js append a php file to the end of the page
[12:11] <mazal> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/164858-no-load-shedding-this-winter-eskom.html
[12:12] <mazal> Will believe that when I see it ^^
[12:12] <Kilos> lol
[12:12] <tumbleweed> what worries me more is that if zuma promises that, then we can't do maintainance on power stations any more
[12:12] <thatgraemeguy> believe it, the mining industry is in a shambles, so demand is way down
[12:18] <MaNI> you shouldn't worry about that too much, that would require a world where zuma actually lives up to his promises
[12:20] <Kilos> hi qwebirc69209
[12:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:20] <qwebirc69209> Hi, just wanted to say how sad I was to learn about edubuntu 16.04
[12:20] <qwebirc69209> http://news.softpedia.com/news/edubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-will-not-be-a-long-term-support-lts-release-502003.shtml
[12:20] <Kilos> never believe any politician
[12:20] <MaNI> anyway it is entirely possible there actually won't be load shedding, purely because our economy has been destroyed and therefore demand is way down
[12:20] <Kilos> they have lies backed up to cover their lies
[12:21] <Kilos> thats right MaNI
[12:21] <Kilos> businesses closing all over
[12:21] <qwebirc69209> I am involved in some township rollouts and have been using edubuntu for years
[12:21] <Kilos> we have 3 pick and pay i think it is, branches closing soon
[12:22] <Kilos> thats good qwebirc69209
[12:22] <qwebirc69209> do you think anyone from ubuntu-za would be interested to pick up the ball?
[12:24] <Kilos> qwebirc69209 get an irc client and hang out here because guys from all over za pop in and out and you have to find the right guys
[12:24] <qwebirc69209> good suggestion, thanks
[12:25] <Kilos> what are you using
[12:25] <Kilos> ai!
[12:26] <Kilos> i should have helped him step by step while he was online
[14:49] <Kilos-> hi Langjan
[14:49] <Langjan> hi there Kilos- hoe gaan dit?
[14:49] <Kilos-> i seem to have dropped of
[14:50] <Kilos-> ok dankie en daar?
[14:50] <Langjan> off the bandwagon?
[14:50] <Langjan> ok dankie
[14:50] <Kilos-> no man off irc
[14:50] <Langjan> oh, maar hier is jy dan?
[14:51] <Kilos-> ja maar na n hele land storie wat jy kry as jy net aan kom
[14:51] <Langjan> you mean thats why I could not elicit a reply from you for a day or two?
[14:51] <Kilos-> at 16.24
[14:51] <Kilos-> nee man net nou
[14:52] <Langjan> o, ok dan was jy seker net vies vir my
[14:52] <Kilos-> hahaha hoekom wat het jy gebreek
[14:52] <Langjan> lmga
[14:52] <Langjan> niks nie, kan jy glo?
[14:53] <Kilos-> sjoe dis goei nuus
[14:53] <Langjan> Tried to reinstall G Earth yesterday, worked like a dream
[14:53] <Kilos-> goeie
[14:53] <Kilos-> reat
[14:53] <Kilos-> great
[14:54] <Langjan> Just goes to show the saying its idiots who try the same thing twice and expect different results  is not true
[14:54] <Kilos-> lmga
[14:55] <Langjan> susans machine seems lazy to boot, sometimes you have to try three times, I have seen some options re boot repair, will give it a go?
[14:56] <Kilos-> wait
[14:56] <Kilos-> what does it show
[14:56] <Kilos-> and is it windows
[14:56] <Kilos-> haai Langjan i said wait
[14:57] <Langjan> it just stays completely blank black screen
[14:57] <Kilos-> when
[14:57] <Kilos-> after the bios is done
[14:57] <Langjan> when you switch on
[14:57] <Langjan> no it does not get to any screen
[14:57] <Kilos-> is it windows
[14:57] <Langjan> 12.04
[14:57] <Kilos-> then its bios sukkeling
[14:58] <Kilos-> have you got it going
[14:58] <Langjan> yes
[14:58] <Kilos-> open terminal and type in
[14:58] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:58] <Kilos-> sudo touch /forcefsck
[14:58] <Kilos-> hi magespawn
[14:58] <Langjan> hi magespawn
[14:58] <magespawn> hi, file system problems?
[14:59] <Langjan> ok wil do when I get there again
[14:59] <Kilos-> if it still hangs before bios then remove battery and power for 30 mins
[14:59] <Kilos-> then set bios to defaults first thing
[14:59] <Kilos-> then only set bois as you would like it
[14:59] <Langjan> ok will try and report back to master geek
[15:00] <Kilos-> ai!
[15:00] <Kilos-> good luck sir
[15:00] <Kilos-> hows things magespawn
[15:00] <Kilos-> ohi superfly
[15:00] <Langjan> thks Kilos-
[15:00] <Kilos-> anytime
[15:00] <Langjan> I see you picked up a tail...
[15:01] <Kilos-> but only thank if its fixed
[15:01] <Kilos> where
[15:01] <Langjan> ok ungrateful for now...
[15:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:01] <Langjan> its gone man
[15:01] <Kilos> what
[15:01] <Langjan> lmga
[15:01] <Kilos> hee hee
[15:01] <Langjan> hohoho
[15:01] <magespawn> all good Kilos, have lots of work to try to complete before i leave
[15:02] <Langjan> visa?
[15:02] <Langjan> where you going magespawn ?
[15:02] <Kilos> ai! still at the vaccu peeps
[15:02] <Langjan> eish!
[15:02] <magespawn> moving up to jhb for a new job
[15:02] <Kilos> hope you get it all done magespawn
[15:02] <Langjan> still hassling them regularly?
[15:02] <Kilos> you cant get to them Langjan
[15:03] <Langjan> Ok, magespawn sounds good, hope it is
[15:03] <Kilos> only to visa peeps and the say vaccu peeps are processing clearance
[15:03] <Kilos> sigh
[15:03] <Langjan> did you know that you need a criminal record to get in there?
[15:03] <magespawn> Langjan: should be, it will at the least be new stuff to learn
[15:04] <Kilos> i tried Langjan maybe mine isnt good enough
[15:04] <Langjan> magespawn,  where you moving from?
[15:04] <Kilos> natal
[15:04] <Langjan> well try harder Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> north coast
[15:04] <magespawn> Hluhluwe
[15:04] <Langjan> oh, been there a long time?
[15:05] <Langjan> Jhb will be a bit of a shock...
[15:07] <magespawn> about 15 years now, but i am originally from jhb
[15:07] <Kilos> he has grown roots there already
[15:07] <Kilos> was there when i started buntu
[15:07] <Langjan> Lovely area, I used to spend quite a bit of time in Hluhluwe area
[15:08] <magespawn> town itself is a bit meh, but the country side is nice
[15:08] <Kilos> town was lekker when i was there
[15:08] <Kilos> small and friendly
[15:08] <Langjan> yes, like all towns under ANC rule
[15:09] <magespawn> still relatively small, and still friendly, but very dirty and run down in areas
[15:09] <Kilos> oh Langjan ive applied to have my charges expunged
[15:09] <Langjan> I was involved in Umkhombe commando 1974 to about 1980
[15:09] <Kilos> should have left it
[15:10] <Langjan> yes Kilos bad mistake
[15:10] <Kilos> oh my
[15:10] <Langjan> lmga
[15:11] <Kilos> there are crooks everywhere
[15:11] <Kilos> debs has just been called by landlords agency
[15:12] <Kilos> they changed hands
[15:12] <Kilos> now they say she never paid her deposit and she has been there 3 years'
[15:12] <Kilos> and she cant find the receipt
[15:13] <Kilos> she has until wednesday to show reciept or pay 1060 au dollars
[15:13] <Kilos> swines
[15:14] <Langjan> Eish! does she not have bank slip or account record?
[15:15] <Kilos> she paid cash
[15:15] <magespawn> i would argue that that is their problem
[15:15] <Langjan> eina
[15:15] <Kilos> apparently they recon first pay then an enquiry can be started
[15:15] <Langjan> the owners should sort it out between them
[15:16] <Kilos> they reckon no
[15:16] <Kilos> first pay then theyll investigate
[15:16] <magespawn> there should be a limit on the time the can claim that from you
[15:16] <Kilos> swines
[15:16] <Langjan> well maybe she should seek legal advice
[15:16] <magespawn> i think so
[15:16] <Kilos> she paid it before they let her move in
[15:16] <Langjan> prhaps some consumer body
[15:16] <magespawn> is that a lot of money Kilos ?
[15:16] <Kilos> yes
[15:17] <Kilos> over 11k of our money
[15:17] <Langjan> the previous owner will know if he allowed people without deposits
[15:17] <Kilos> he works through agents
[15:17] <Kilos> no one does much there
[15:18] <Kilos> everyone has someone else to manage thing
[15:18] <Kilos> s
[15:18] <Kilos> good thing im not there then theyd see why i got a record
[15:18] <Langjan> lmga
[15:18] <Kilos> i hate evil peeps
[15:19] <Langjan> lucky you have not seen my record...
[15:19] <magespawn> brb going for dinner
[15:20] <Langjan> enjoy magespawn
[15:20] <Kilos> haha
[15:20] <Kilos> have it expunged
[15:20] <Kilos> haha then you cant go to aus either
[15:21] <Langjan> eish, cant win
[15:21] <Langjan> ok gotta go, chat later guys
[15:21] <Kilos> go well sir
[15:21] <Langjan> lekker aand Kilos
[15:21] <Kilos> ty for the kuier
[15:21] <Langjan> thks you also
[15:21] <Langjan> altyd lekker
[15:21] <Langjan> en voel welkom
[15:21] <Langjan> mooi loop
[16:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:11] <kulelu88> you around? superfly
[16:12] <superfly> kulelu88: hi
[16:12] <kulelu88> howzit?
[16:12] <superfly> m, OK, you?
[16:12] <kulelu88> im good
[16:12] <kulelu88> can I bother you with some jquery mobile?
[16:12] <superfly> ja
[16:13] <kulelu88> how do I send you my source files? Or would a small piece of the app itself do?
[16:13] <superfly> kulelu88: ever used jsfiddle?
[16:14] <kulelu88> yeah, but getting all my deps onto it is an issue
[16:14] <kulelu88> a PITA
[16:14] <kulelu88> this is the code I am working on: https://pastee.org/q732p
[16:15] <kulelu88> but I would like to achieve this: http://www.w3schools.com/jquerymobile/tryit.asp?filename=tryjqmob_lists_split
[16:25] <superfly> kulelu88: I'll be honest, these days I prefer using AngularJS for JS-driven UI
[16:25] <superfly> but, the dependency list is quite high
[16:25] <kulelu88> that is why I am using minimal dependencies
[16:26] <kulelu88> jquery, jquery UI and jquery mobile
[16:28] <superfly> kulelu88: my jquery is a bit rusty, but here: https://pastee.org/np5zk
[16:28] <superfly> now I must go to supper
[17:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:14] <Kilos> mornig inetpro
[18:14] <Kilos> morning
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz where are they
[18:19] <Maaz> Kilos: they are already washed
[18:20] <Kilos> oh
[18:21] <Kilos> reboot time
[18:22] <chesedo> superfly: i never knew that $.append accepts an object too... /me will remember that
[18:29] <gremble> Good evening everyone
[18:29] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:29] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <gremble> Haha
[18:29] <gremble> I am well thank you
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <gremble> I feel that you think I am too predictable
[18:30] <Kilos> no just good mannered
[18:30] <Kilos> paddatrapper you here?
[18:38] <Kilos> hopefully he is studying
[18:38] <Kilos> i go sleep
[18:38] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <gremble> I've done about as much calculus as I can take. I am bouncing. Cheers everyone :)
[20:13] <inetpro> Guten Tag
[20:32] <magespawn> good night


[23:57] <klappi> wish me like im updating my broken laptop vom 9.04 to 9.10 ^^
[23:57] <Gnosiz> Does anybody know when a new version of Ubuntu will be out?
[23:57] <jrib> Gnosiz: april
[23:57] <arleslie> wilhart_: Whats the file system on that disk?
[23:57] <Gnosiz> Will it be completely different?
[23:57] <JonathanEllis> Gnosiz: They are released twice a year in April and October
[23:57] <jrib> Gnosiz: no, not completely different...
[23:57] <outleradam> oso: this is a final step to basically publish the fact that the file is available.  I would like to find ANY way to put in a link to the file, like anything at all.
[23:57] <klappi> s/like/luck
[23:57] <Gnosiz> Why do they release them so frequently?
[23:58] <jrib> Gnosiz: new software
[23:58] <wilhart_> arleslie: mmmm ntfs
[23:58] <JonathanEllis> !releases
[23:58] <Lee_Ubun> Any real disadvantages with using an older version like 8.01
[23:58] <gyrfalcon> Jordan_U, seems like they're racing towards bleeding edge/unstability... I've had more issues just installing 9.10 than I have with any other release.
[23:58] <Lee_Ubun> 8.04
[23:58] <jrib> Lee_Ubun: well 8.01 doesn't exist, so that's a disadvantage
[23:58] <arleslie> !ntfs : wilhart_
[23:58] <klappi> Lee_Ubun: 8.04 is lts so its fine
[23:58] <arleslie> !ntfs: wilhart_
[23:58] <corey> is it save to remove /usr/share/doc?
[23:59] <jrib> Lee_Ubun: you should either use latest stable release or latest LTS release
[23:59] <Jordan_U> gyrfalcon, 10.04 should be more stable since it's an LTS release
[23:59] <corey> safe*
[23:59] <JonathanEllis> Lee_Ubun: Some newer software is not on 8.04 but it works fine.
[23:59] <PsychoMari0> is it possible to assign a virtual network device, like eth0:1 and ip address to a chroot environment?
[23:59] <arleslie> !ntfs | wilhart_
[23:59] <Gnosiz> I like some of the themes one here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nice-themes-for-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-users.html - but the Icons in the Ubuntu Software Centre look rubbish.
[23:59] <Gnosiz> Which is a real turn-off.
[23:59] <blakkheim> !ot | Gnosiz


[11:32] <bahrod> hi
[17:42] <gilbert> hey everybody :)
[17:43] <skellat> Hello gilbert
[17:49] <gilbert> how goes it skellat?
[17:49] <skellat> Okay.  Got up late and missed church again.
[17:50] <skellat> Been working on updating xubuntu-docs lately
[17:51] <skellat> How goes it at your end of the state, gilbert?


[11:58] <thom> ogra: 3672 isn't a dup of anything
[11:58] <thom> ogra: go to bed :P
[11:58] <ogra> heh, yes, i should....
[11:58] <Nafallo> yay!
[11:58] <mdz> ogra: 4356 is "hdparm starts before all hardware detection has been done"
[11:59] <mdz> which is part of "hardware detection should happen earlier" (5204)
[11:59] <ogra> mdz, yeps, i mixed them up....
[12:00] <mako> alright.. dinner time


[05:10] <KombuchaKip> Some new Avaneya music: http://shawanrising.bandcamp.com/album/avaneya-earth-is-a-write-off
[05:45] <billybigrigger> KombuchaKip, fire off an email to deadmau5 and get some theme music!
[05:45] <billybigrigger> :P
[05:45] <KombuchaKip> billybigrigger: Thanks Bill. He makes good music, but it's not quite up my alley. I'm a NiN / Depeche Mode kind of fellow.
[18:06] <billybigrigger> mornin
[18:54] <dscassel> morning, billybigrigger :)
[19:06] <billybigrigger> dscassel, long time no see
[21:00] <Clockwerks77> Hey fellow Ubuntu Canuckistans!
[23:55] <hakimsheriff> is there a meeting soon?


[03:40] <snizzo> is there a way to ship js files with ubuntu touch app? I can't seem to find them
[05:01] <snizzo> is it possible to write to external sd card?
[06:30] <wirahetaubuntu> hello
[09:30] <TommyBrunn> Morning everyone. Does anyone know if there's any kind of unique device ID I can get from QML? I was hoping to use the IMEI, but if I'm interpreting this bug report correctly, we're not allowed that information. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtsystems-opensource-src/+bug/1226844
[09:31] <TommyBrunn> Also related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1338420/
[13:35] <snizzo> in order to write to sdcard the only way to do it is using content exchange (which is not documented enough)?
[13:35] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, o/
[13:36] <snizzo> ehr, is it a yes?
[13:36] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, erm I don't own a device; sdcard is not hte internal card, correct?
[13:37] <snizzo> AkivaAvraham: mm well makes no difference to me, I'd just like to write to some folder scanned by music app
[13:37] <snizzo> but write permissions are impossible to get because i have to use this content exchange(?)
[13:38] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, Because I have only tested this on the desktop; take that into consideration. However; utilizing terminal commands, I have been able to write to folders such as music.
[13:38] <AkivaAvraham> I wish I knew if it worked on a device.
[13:39] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, but do you understand what I mean? like , "echo "happy" > ~/Music/stupid.txt" I recall working
[13:39] <snizzo> yeah on desktop it works
[13:39] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, do me a favour?
[13:39] <snizzo> on ubuntu touch on a device it says you need special permissions
[13:39] <snizzo> yeah, tell me
[13:40] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, if you get the answer, can you write it down or something and send it to me? I want to add it to a faq and post it on the subreddit.
[13:40] <snizzo> AkivaAvraham: sure!
[13:40] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappdev  also if you have a screenshot of your app,
[13:41] <AkivaAvraham> Please post it here! I'd love to see what you are working on, and it will help foster the community.
[13:44] <snizzo> AkivaAvraham: ok I'll do it. I think it won't be published due to permissions trobules btw. Also this thing of "use our qml components" to save files actually breaks model/view structure too deeply to be mantained efficiently imho (I have same code for qt android version).
[13:46] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, is there now a qml component provided by ubuntu (or qml) for saving files to disk?
[13:47] <snizzo> AkivaAvraham: for what I've seen, there's some kind of content-exchange (this is the name of permission required also) which enables your app to import/export data from other apps and this should be the right way to save music: sending it to the music app i guess that saves it.
[13:48] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, Its not the database is it?
[13:48] <AkivaAvraham> the u1db or whatever?
[13:48] <ahayzen> snizzo, sending the music app a file via content-hub will save it in ~/Music/Imported ... if thats what your asking?
[13:48] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, << much more pro than I. :)
[13:48] <snizzo> ahayzen: more less yeah
[13:48] <snizzo> and music app will read from that folder right?
[13:48] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, << also works on the music app, so he should know
[13:49] <ahayzen> snizzo, what are you trying to do? (i've missed the start of the conversation)
[13:49] <snizzo> ahayzen: I have an app, mostly working that downloads music in mp3 format.
[13:49] <snizzo> is it true that directly saving files on Music folder is not the right approach?
[13:50] <ahayzen> snizzo, i don't think you'll be able to get permission to save into ~/Music ? ... so currently your best bet will probably be to just export the files to the music app which will then put them in ~/Music/Imported
[13:51] <ahayzen> note you can send multiple at a time as well
[13:51]  * ahayzen tries to remember if it starts playing them or just queues them
[13:52] <snizzo> ahayzen: ok, that's fine for me. Only thing is I use C++/QML and I'm using a C++ model that holds a list of objects that actually downloads the file, so download is handled via C++ code. What's the best approach to "export" those files?
[13:52] <ahayzen> yeah it'll queue then and then start playing the first one
[13:53] <ahayzen> snizzo, you'll want to do this via content-hub ... https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Content.index/
[13:53] <snizzo> Can I do it via C++ or must I use qml?
[13:54] <ahayzen> snizzo, erm i'm not sure if you can do it via c++ when kenvandine is around he would be the person to ask that probably
[13:55] <snizzo> ahayzen: ok...
[13:55] <ahayzen> snizzo, there is probably a way :)
[13:55] <snizzo> ahayzen: anyway, can I ask you just to provide a small example of qml exporting a music file? Like the example in the doc.
[13:56] <snizzo> also not perfectly working, just to have a clue
[13:56] <ahayzen> .... this is one example of an exporter (you just have to change the type to Music) https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter
[13:57] <ahayzen> i also know 'downow' have an exporter to Music as well
[13:58] <ahayzen> snizzo, ^^ theirs is in mostly c++ so may be interesting to look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nogzatalz/downow/trunk/files/head:/src/downow/
[13:59] <ahayzen> snizzo, note in the folder ui/ there is ContentHubOpener.cpp
[14:02] <snizzo> ahayzen: these helps for sure!
[14:03] <ahayzen> snizzo, let me know if you have any issues :)
[14:04] <snizzo> ahayzen: in order to ship files with the app (in my case a js file not included by any other file) what should I do, and how can I open in in readonly mode on the phone while the app is running?
[14:04] <snizzo> I mean, where will it be installed
[14:06] <snizzo> is it right to hardcode /opt/click.........myapp.../current/file?
[14:06] <ahayzen> snizzo, you would need to put it in the click package...they all go in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.your-name.your-app/current/ IIRC ...but can you not access it relatively or via some env var?
[14:07] <snizzo> ahayzen: I use this file to be evaluated by QJSEngine via C++
[14:07] <snizzo> it seems crazy but has its sense :)
[14:07] <snizzo> ok then no problem :) thanks for the assistance
[14:07] <ahayzen> snizzo, hmm usually in qml i just put the relative path and then wrap Qt.resolvedUrl() around it
[14:10] <snizzo> ahayzen: I hope not to take too much time, I'll try to produce some faqs docs in order to benefit everyone also
[14:11] <ahayzen> snizzo, cool :) we don't seem to have many docs on developer.ubuntu.com for c++ from what i can see
[14:12] <snizzo> ahayzen: Yeah I noticed :) just for curiosity, do you work for canonical?
[14:12] <ahayzen> snizzo, nope, i'm a student at university :)
[14:13] <snizzo> hehe, same fate then :)
[14:13] <ahayzen> hah
[14:13] <ahayzen> mhall119, is there any reason why we don't have any c++/qt docs on developer.ubuntu.com? (or am i just blind)
[14:17] <snizzo> I think it's not their main target platform however. Qt is enought well documented and they aim to make use qml components instead of c++ for apps. Just speculations ofc :)
[14:18] <ahayzen> yeah i guess
[14:21] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, speak of the devil
[14:22] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, there is an incredibly good one provided by ics
[14:22] <AkivaAvraham> they do documentation for c++ too.
[14:22] <AkivaAvraham> I was just happening to throw together documentation on the subreddit about it.
[14:22] <ahayzen> AkivaAvraham, hehe yeah :)
[14:22] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, wip http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/comments/2qy5ko/guide_for_new_ubuntu_developers/
[14:23] <AkivaAvraham> scroll to the bottom, and there is a "Learn c++ the qt way"
[14:23] <ahayzen> AkivaAvraham, i mean the scopes are c++ IIRC ? ... i just wonder if it would be useful even just have a few tutorials of extending QML with c++ on developer.ubuntu.com
[14:23] <AkivaAvraham> I have hated all other c++ docs, because they will teach you how to use standard libs that are ultimately replaced by qt.
[14:24] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, oh yah; the scopes need documentation.
[14:24] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, I popped into there, and I really really wanted a flowchart of how this was supposed to operate
[14:24] <ahayzen> hah
[14:25] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, you know what I mean?
[14:25] <ahayzen> yeah
[14:25] <AkivaAvraham> maybe I'll make one if I ever gain the courage; I have a good way of making flowcharts :)
[14:25] <ahayzen> i usually use Dia for diagrams :)
[14:26] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, screenshot?
[14:26] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen, I created a template in google spreadsheets
[14:26] <ahayzen> AkivaAvraham, its a gnome app for doing flowchats/UML/Entity diagrams etc https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Dia/Screenshots
[14:27] <AkivaAvraham> oh that ones pretty nice
[14:27] <AkivaAvraham> sec
[14:28] <AkivaAvraham> ahayzen,  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hv6GY0SjyGreuuNziK_1HmTJy6p69gmyNtjFV4yxiVk/edit#gid=381944632
[14:28] <AkivaAvraham> I like having it on google docs, cause its easy to edit with multiple people
[14:28] <ahayzen> AkivaAvraham, yeah thats pretty cool :)
[14:29] <AkivaAvraham> thanks :)
[14:32] <snizzo> ahayzen: which university if I may ask?
[14:33] <ahayzen> snizzo, Oxford Brookes University
[14:58] <snizzo> ahayzen: I can't really understand how to send files via content hub
[14:59] <ahayzen> snizzo, how far have you got?
[15:00] <snizzo> near zero. I can't get how it's structured and what does what since there's really no docs apart from Component names
[15:01] <snizzo> ah wait maybe I found something
[15:01] <ahayzen> snizzo, these two may help https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/content-hub-guide/ https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Content.index/
[16:40] <snizzo> ahayzen: I somewhat managed to do an export but I have no reaction by the system nor the music app...
[16:40] <snizzo> should I specify in handler or peer the music app?
[16:42] <snizzo> this is the code I'm using http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9671823/
[17:55] <ahayzen> snizzo, are you doing this on a device? or unity8?
[18:06] <snizzo> ahayzen: nexus 5
[18:07] <ahayzen> snizzo, ok was just checking you weren't trying to do it in unity7 ;)
[18:07] <snizzo> ahayzen: my current code http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9672284/
[18:12] <ahayzen> snizzo, it looks mostly right.... so far i've spotted this possibly missing? onExportRequested: { root.activeTransfer = transfer;  .... (i'm just comparing yours to this one http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter/view/head:/hub-exporter.qml)
[18:13] <snizzo> ahayzen: ok. that btw should work because it pops up the dialog "exporting" but no onExportRequested triggered
[18:13] <snizzo> and no file is copied
[18:13] <ahayzen> snizzo, hmm so does Music appear as an option? or does it not get that far?
[18:15] <snizzo> ahh mm no Music doesn't appear as an option it just says "exporting" for a second and then disappear, I think because the operation ends
[18:15] <ahayzen> snizzo, you should get a dialog appear inwhich you then select to 'open with' music
[18:16] <snizzo> ahh no I can't go that far
[18:16] <snizzo> what is worse is that no error is shown...
[18:17] <ahayzen> hah yeah i remember trying to figure all this out when we were adding import support lol
[18:20] <snizzo> ahayzen: ah :) any hint on this? I asked just content_exchange_source as permission. Is that right?
[18:21] <ahayzen> snizzo, yeah content_exchange_source is the policy you want :)
[18:22] <snizzo> ahn, I'm running out of bullets...
[18:22] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, always save one
[18:22] <ahayzen> snizzo, i think your missing a ContentPeerPicker {} ?
[18:22] <snizzo> ahayzen: AH! that could be!
[18:23] <ahayzen> snizzo, basically i think your missing the picking bit here.... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter/view/head:/hub-exporter.qml#L393
[18:43] <snizzo> ahayzen: lol it seems it's working finally :D
[18:44] <ahayzen> snizzo, \o/
[18:57] <snizzo> really thank you for help ahayzen. I'll try to put down a tutorial on what I understood :)
[18:57] <ahayzen> snizzo, no problem :) its good to see more apps making use of it :)
[18:57] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, if you do a tutorial, please link it
[18:57] <AkivaAvraham> snizzo, i'd like to put it on appdev
[18:57] <snizzo> AkivaAvraham: sure :)
[18:58] <AkivaAvraham> thanks
[19:20] <Zakabanner> Cya
[19:20] <AkivaAvraham> Zakabanner, bye?
[19:40] <mivoligo> Happy New Year everyone!
[19:40] <mivoligo> mzanetti: here by any chance?
[20:07] <ajalkane> ahayzen: the "canonical" developer story is to write pure QML applications without C++. Of course the situation is that for any non-trivial applications some small amount of C++ is often also required. So I agree there should be some pointers in the documents to get started with that.
[20:29] <AkivaAvraham> mivoligo, Happy new year.
[20:41] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hey
[21:04] <TommyBrunn> I already asked this morning, but I figured I'd ask again in case someone's here now that wasn't before. Does anyone know if there's any kind of unique device ID I can get from QML? I was hoping to use the IMEI, but none of the DeviceInfo methods seem to return anything.
[21:07] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, o/
[21:07] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, you mean the phone model?
[21:07] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, or rather if it is a desktop / tv / mobile device?
[21:07] <TommyBrunn> No, the imei is unique per physical device
[21:07] <TommyBrunn> As in, your phone's imei is different from mine
[21:08] <TommyBrunn> Even if we both have the same model
[21:08] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, oh like a mac address?
[21:08] <TommyBrunn> Pretty much
[21:08]  * AkivaAvraham is trying to remember if that is right..
[21:08] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, good question...
[21:09] <TommyBrunn> \o btw, didn't mean to leave you hanging there. High five.
[21:09] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, heh
[21:10] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, now I presume you need a unique id for databasing?
[21:12] <TommyBrunn> It's for usage metrics. Each event has a user id associated with it, so that you can connect different events with each other (useful when you want to figure out stupid UI stuff, like why some users drop out at a certain point of a form, for example). It doesn't actually have to mean anything, it just has to be unique per device.
[21:13] <TommyBrunn> So the imei would have been perfect.
[21:23] <ahayzen> ajalkane, i just think a few examples showing how you can extend QML with c++ could be of use, or at least linking to the qt docs
[21:24] <ajalkane> ahayzen: Indeed that, and how to do the main.cpp so that you can have C++ driven QML application
[21:24] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, okay  interesting...
[21:24] <ahayzen> ajalkane, as it mentions extending qml with c++ here .. https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/ ... but then doesn't link you to any docs/further reading
[21:24] <ahayzen> ajalkane, yeah and that :)
[21:24] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, my suggestion sucks, because you probably thought of this, but is there a qt function that does this?
[21:24] <AkivaAvraham> there must be?
[21:24] <TommyBrunn> Yes. And it doesn't return anything. I'm guessing it's a permissions thing
[21:25] <TommyBrunn> QtSystemInfo
[21:25] <TommyBrunn> There's a DeviceInfo component that has a bunch of methods for getting information about the current device.
[21:25] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hey
[21:25] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, what about a mac address though?
[21:25] <AkivaAvraham> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15287814/getting-mac-id-in-qt
[21:26] <AkivaAvraham> I mean this is for networking, so shouldnt it work?
[21:26] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I see you're busy with the game :)
[21:26] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hi. I've been creating some levels, yes
[21:26] <AkivaAvraham> I think every internet device comes with a unique mac address, unless I am mistaken.
[21:26] <mzanetti> mivoligo: the game is now playable up to level 18
[21:26] <TommyBrunn> It might, but now we're extending QML with C++ to re-implement a module that already exists :P
[21:26] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I was totally lazy over the holiday
[21:26] <TommyBrunn> I'm going to file a bug and see if it is a bug or if it's intentional.
[21:27] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, there is a module in qml to grab mac addresses?
[21:27] <mivoligo> mzanetti: but I have an idea for the next levelpack :)
[21:28] <AkivaAvraham> ah appears there is.
[21:28] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, wish I was better help :)
[21:28] <TommyBrunn> Yes
[21:28] <AkivaAvraham> TommyBrunn, it is sunday so... you should ask at the next Q&A
[21:29] <AkivaAvraham> mmmm speaking of which
[21:29] <TommyBrunn> No worries. I was just hoping there would be someone here who's had the same issue. They do use the SystemInfo module in a core app, so it should work somehow
[21:29] <AkivaAvraham> mhall119, http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/ -- empty.
[21:30] <mzanetti> mivoligo: oh :D but you need someone else to write the json for it :D
[21:30] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'll try myself :D but not sure when
[21:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: that'd be cool. but otoh, I'd need your graphic skills with some other games too :D
[21:31] <mivoligo> mzanetti: \o/ happy to help
[21:32] <mzanetti> mivoligo: not ready yet, but there are some things upcoming. I really want to finish this one first
[21:32] <mivoligo> mzanetti: great :) About this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/machines-vs-machines/+bug/1407486
[21:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: do you have any idea in mind, I was thinking about putting just big $ sign there
[21:33] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm... there's already $ sign in the price tag
[21:34] <mzanetti> for some reason I had an arrow in mind
[21:34] <mzanetti> pointing downwards
[21:35] <mzanetti> maybe a trash can?
[21:35] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, I'll try something tomorrow
[21:36] <mzanetti> mivoligo: https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=tower%20defense%20destroy%20tower&tbs=imgo:1#tbs=imgo:1&tbm=isch&q=destroy+icon
[21:36] <mivoligo> mzanetti: there's destroyed old Ubuntu logo there :D
[21:36] <mzanetti> yeah :D
[21:37] <mivoligo> mzanetti: trash can idea might be the more understandable
[21:38] <mzanetti> yep, that sounds reasonable
[21:38] <mivoligo> the most
[21:38] <mivoligo> mzanetti: btw what do you think about the new destruction animation?
[21:38] <mzanetti> love it
[21:39] <mzanetti> I was unsure at first about it
[21:39] <mzanetti> didn't really like the spirals and the colors
[21:39] <mzanetti> but now I played it for a while and it's quite cool
[21:39] <mzanetti> one issue with it is that it should be part of the level pack
[21:39] <mzanetti> so a different level pack can define other images
[21:39] <mivoligo> mzanetti: true
[21:40] <mzanetti> I'll move it over
[21:40] <mivoligo> :)
[21:40] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I started to create the tutorial level pack today
[21:40] <mzanetti> and decided to give that up
[21:40] <mzanetti> seems too much work for too little gain
[21:41] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I think so too
[21:41] <mivoligo> it's not that hard to understand
[21:41] <mzanetti> yep
[21:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: back to destroy animation, I noticed it somehow goes faster for the Boing guys
[21:42] <mzanetti> really
[21:42]  * mzanetti checks
[21:45] <mzanetti> indeed
[21:45] <mzanetti> and it's smaller :D
[21:45] <mzanetti> what the...
[21:46] <mivoligo> mzanetti: animation for Boings is faster, so maybe that's the problem?
[21:46] <mzanetti> most likely, yes
[21:47] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I have to finish now, sorry :(
[21:47] <mzanetti> mivoligo: no problem
[21:47] <mzanetti> see you around
[21:47] <mivoligo> mzanetti: see you
[21:56] <ahoneybun> I need help with using the bootsplash
[22:09] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, as in the one for an app?
[22:10] <TommyBrunn> I haven't actually implemented it myself yet, but maybe I can be of help, ahoneybun
[22:10] <TommyBrunn> What's the problem?
[22:22] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, yea
[22:22] <ahoneybun> when you click it
[22:22] <ahoneybun> someone gave me a link to the page about them but I cant find it
[22:22] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, what do you when to do ? eg show text in the header? or something in the centre?
[22:23] <TommyBrunn> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09996.html
[22:24] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, this one? https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09996.html
[22:24] <ahayzen> oh TommyBrunn beat me
[22:24] <TommyBrunn> You add those values to your .desktop file. For example https://bit.ly/1vOO5lc
[22:25] <ahayzen> yup :)
[22:25] <ahoneybun> TommyBrunn, I think thats what I needed
[22:26] <ahoneybun> thanks TommyBrunn and ahayzen
[22:26] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, no problem
[22:26] <TommyBrunn> You're welcome
[22:27] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, TommyBrunn http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9673585/
[22:29] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, you may want to add X-Ubuntu-Splash-Title=MyTitle and/or X-Ubuntu-Splash-Color=#111111 as well
[22:31] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, ok thanks
[22:32] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9673610/?
[22:32] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, note the #111111 is the hex colour ;) so that would be a very dark grey
[22:33] <ahoneybun> yea I knew it was a color did not know it was dark
[22:33] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, you probably want it set the same colour as whatever your first page is
[22:33] <ahoneybun> it is the default color for a ubuntu touch app
[22:34] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, then you can probably leave that row out? i think it picks the same as default
[22:34] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[22:34] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, otherwise that *should* work :)
[22:34] <ahoneybun> should lol
[22:34] <ahoneybun> never have been able to push a app from the sdk to my phone
[22:35] <ahoneybun> but that is for another time (running android at the moment)
[22:35] <ahayzen> wow really?
[22:35] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, can you build a click?
[22:35] <ahoneybun> of what my app?
[22:35] <ahayzen> yeah
[22:36] <ahoneybun> if I do the command
[22:36] <ahoneybun> in the terminal never have used the sdk to do it
[22:36] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, yeah then push that across to adb push /path/to/my.click /tmp/my.click .. then do ... adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/my.click
[22:36] <ahoneybun> in the Publish tab I can only validate a package
[22:36] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, to install it manually
[22:36] <ahoneybun> no building
[22:37] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, sounds like your kits aren't setup properly ... but you can do the above ^^ right for testing?
[22:38] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, I guess
[22:38] <ahoneybun> I just have a desktop kit installed right now
[22:38] <ahoneybun> took forever
[22:38] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, yeah you need to setup an arm one
[22:38] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:38] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, then you switch to that when you want to deploy to the device
[22:38] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:39] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, where the icon of the computer is on the bottom left you can click it and switch when you have them set up correctly
[22:39] <ahoneybun> yea I got that before
[22:40] <ahoneybun> been switching between my app and the showcase one
[22:41] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, this may be of use if you haven't seen it before https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/using-device-kits/
[22:41] <ahoneybun> how do I add a kit? other then the project tab
[22:41] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, click "manage kits" on the project tab
[22:42] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, then add from that settings dialog
[22:42] <ahoneybun> but then I have to set everything by hand
[22:42] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, although i've never done it that way... i used that helper thing at first startup
[22:42] <ahayzen> oh
[22:43] <ahoneybun> yea that think
[22:43] <ahoneybun> g
[22:43] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, go to 'Ubuntu' section within that dialog on the left...
[22:43] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, then 'create click target'
[22:43] <ahoneybun> alright downloading
[22:44] <ahayzen> \o/ now wait a loooooong time :)
[22:44]  * ahoneybun wishes he had a Nexus 7
[22:44] <ahoneybun> trust me I know lol
[22:44] <ahayzen> lol
[22:44] <TommyBrunn> I bought a Nexus 7 the other day, to use for development.
[22:44] <TommyBrunn> Turns out it was the 2012 model that isn't supported anymore ;_;
[22:44] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, sometimes I need google maps for driving
[22:44] <ahoneybun> yea I had the 2012 one
[22:45] <ahoneybun> sold it to my brother since it is no longer supported
[23:14] <diego7319> hi
[23:14] <TommyBrunn> Do you guys know of a QML app that adds calendar events? The documentation is a little sparse: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/qtpim.tutorials-qmlorganizerListView-part2/
[23:14] <TommyBrunn> Hi diego7319
[23:14] <diego7319> api?
[23:15] <diego7319> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtOrganizer/
[23:16] <ahayzen> TommyBrunn, does the default calendar app use just QML?
[23:16] <ahayzen> TommyBrunn, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app
[23:18] <TommyBrunn> Thanks. I'm looking it through now. Looks like it uses QtOrganizer, yeah.
[23:26] <diego7319> i dont know html5 or qml idk how i found it LOL