[00:48] <infinity> hggdh: Good news (potentially), I might be able to fix that missing kernel binary.  I'll let you know tomorrow.
[01:24] <hggdh> infinity: cool. Meanwhile, I failed the SRU, and we will look at it tomorrow
[01:26] <hggdh> infinity: add Natty LTS HWE to the mix, also missing the kernel headers
[01:27] <hggdh> infinity: do NOT promote to -updates bug 1047350
[01:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047350 in linux-lts-backport-natty "linux-lts-backport-natty: 2.6.38-16.67~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047350
[05:13] <orated_> Hello! I'm using BeagleBoard XM C1 running Canonical Ubuntu 12.04 image. I'm facing sound issues and even after following https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1019321 comment 24 - sudo modprobe snd-soc-omap, sudo modprobe snd-soc-omap-mcbsp, sudo modprobe snd-soc-omap3beagle - by ppisati, the problem remains the same. How can I fix the sound issue please?
[05:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1019321 in linux "USB sound card not detected on beagleboard xM" [Medium,Fix released]
[05:16] <ppisati> moin
[05:22] <orated_> Hi ppisati
[05:32] <orated_> I followed bug reported in launchpad - 1019321 which was later fixed by you. Could you guide me how I can fetch the update with released fix? sudo modprobe snd-soc-omap, sudo modprobe snd-soc-omap-mcbsp, sudo modprobe snd-soc-omap3beagle manually is not fixing the problem
[05:33] <orated_> ppisati: ^
[06:12] <ppisati> orated: latest kernel have have the fix, upgrade
[06:14] <orated> Hello ppisati
[06:15] <ppisati> orated: latest kernel have have the fix, upgrade
[06:15] <orated> Sorry, my connection dropped before
[06:15] <orated> ah, well
[06:16] <orated> Currently it is 3.2.0-23-omap
[06:18] <orated> ppisati: Could you specify the kernel version on which it is fixed?
[06:19] <orated> Running dist-upgrade or upgrade doesn't show kernel upgrades so I guess I have to upgrade from binaries?
[06:19] <ppisati> orated: didn't you mention a bug report earlier? it should contain when it was fixed
[06:26] <orated> ppisati: I've gone through the bug report and comments multiple times. I can see in the comment mention of linaro kernel then in your comment for http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.2.0-27-omap_3.2.0-27.42~socomapy_armhf.deb and then second last comment for linux (3.2.0-29.46) precise-proposed. If I would have understood the process and solution I wouldn't have asked multiple times in this channel or other multiple times in first
[06:26] <orated> place. I've not performed kernel upgrades manually which is why I'm requesting you to guide me on it.
[06:27] <ppisati> bug 1019321
[06:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1019321 in linux "USB sound card not detected on beagleboard xM" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1019321
[06:27] <ppisati> orated: from the bug report - "This bug was fixed in the package linux - 3.2.0-29.46"
[06:27] <ppisati> orated: which kernel are you running?
[06:28] <orated> Yes, I mentioned that I read linux (3.2.0-29.46) precise-proposed above
[06:28] <orated> I'm running 3.2.0-23-omap
[06:28] <orated> I can see I have to upgrade but I'm not sure how, sorry
[06:29] <ppisati> orated: sudo apt-get update
[06:29] <ppisati> orated: and then
[06:29] <ppisati> orated: sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:29] <ppisati> orated: are you running precise, right?
[06:30] <orated> Yes, as I said doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is not showing kernel upgrades
[06:31] <orated> And, the image is Canonical Ubuntu 12.04 Precise
[06:32] <ppisati> orated: what does /etc/apt/sources.list contains?
[06:32] <ppisati> orated: paste it in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[06:33] <orated> I ran update process again that its taking time to read package lists, hold on please
[06:37] <orated> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1210483/
[06:39] <ppisati> orated: and when you do a "sudo apt-get upgrade" whats dows it show?
[06:41] <orated> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1210486/
[06:42] <ppisati> orated: upgrade not update
[06:42] <ppisati> orated: ah
[06:42] <ppisati> orated: just noticed the first line
[06:43] <ppisati> orated: dpkg -l | grep image
[06:44] <orated> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1210490/
[06:44] <orated> If I understand right, ii  linux-image-3.2.0-30-omap              3.2.0-30.48  on line 22
[06:45] <ppisati> orated: so you have the latest kernel
[06:45] <ppisati> orated: sudo flash-kernel 3.2.0-30-omap
[06:45] <ppisati> orated: and then reboot
[06:45] <orated> um
[06:46] <orated> flash-kernel
[06:46] <orated> Ah, yes I missed that!
[06:47] <orated> I'll try that. Thanks a lot for your time and inputs :)
[06:48] <orated> ppisati: But I'm curious as to why the last command said - 64 bit x86 systems for 3.2.0-23.36
[06:48] <orated> 64 bit x86
[06:49] <ppisati> orated: probably a broken description
[06:49] <orated> Ok, I've rebooted and hopefully sound will work
[06:49] <orated> after flashing*
[06:52] <orated> $ aplay -l
[06:52] <orated> aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[07:00] <ppisati> uname -a
[07:01] <orated> 3.2.0-30-omap
[07:01] <ppisati> cat /proc/asoud/cards
[07:01] <orated> I have restarted now, one moment
[07:01] <ppisati> *asound
[07:01] <orated> ah-ok
[07:01] <orated> omap3beagel
[07:01] <orated>  0 [omap3beagle    ]: omap3beagle - omap3beagle
[07:01] <orated>                       omap3beagle
[07:02] <orated> I'm trying to play a test track using mplayer now
[07:03] <ppisati> kernel-wise is ok, dunno what's wrong with your userland
[07:03] <orated> alsamixer command is giving cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[07:05] <orated> I've snd-soc-omap snd-soc-omap-mcbsp snd-soc-omap3beagle in /etc/modules.. I should be removing them
[07:05] <ppisati> you shouldn't even have these modules since theyt are compiled-in now
[07:06] <orated> Yes, I had them with old kernel when I thought it was reverting back
[07:06] <orated> No other change was made
[07:08] <orated> I removed it, restarted and again there is $ alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[07:09] <ppisati> orated: if /proc/asound/cards list the sound card, then the kernel is good
[07:10] <orated> Yes, it does but
[07:10] <orated> I have not performed any major changes that its not working
[07:10] <orated> Kernel is, I mean with reference to "what's wrong with your userland"
[07:18] <orated> Thank you
[07:41]  * ppisati -> reboot
[10:57] <ppisati> dual core arm imx6, 1GB ram, sata: 89$
[10:57] <ppisati> http://www.wandboard.org/
[12:11] <orated> ppisati: I just now completed fresh install of Canonical Ubuntu 12.04 with latest omap kernel on BeagleBoard XM. I checked for sound cards its omap3beagle and then tested a track with mplayer. No sound output
[12:31]  * rtg_ works on 3.5.y quantal update
[12:35] <ogra_> including omap4 ?
[12:42] <rtg> ogra_, no right away. usually ppisati sends a pull request after omap4 has been rebased against master
[12:43] <ogra_> ah, k , i thought he did already
[12:44] <doko> rtg, ignore the readelf return value, ftbfs on arm
[12:45] <rtg> ogra_, I'm right now rebasing against v3.5.4. ppisati pull request on the k-team mailing list is going to be obsolete quite soon.
[12:45] <ogra_> ah, ok
[12:46] <rtg> doko, I reuploaded after that FTBS so that readelf is only run for x86'en
[12:46] <ogra_> well, it would be really good to have the graphics patch before beta
[12:46] <ogra_> but ppisati knows that :)
[12:47] <rtg> ogra_, is that in 3.5.4, or a patch on the list ? (I'm still catching up)
[12:47] <doko> rtg: using gcc-4.7 4.7.1-9ubuntu1 on all archs?
[12:47]  * henrix -> (late) lunch
[12:47] <ogra_> rtg,
[12:47] <ogra_> * important video fixes from TI (eliminate video flickering with Unity)
[12:47] <ogra_> * kernel rebased on Ubuntu-3.5.0-14.16
[12:47] <rtg> doko, we'll get an upload later today once -9ubuntu1 is finished building
[12:47] <doko> ok
[12:47] <ogra_> its the ifrst item on the most recent mail from him
[12:48] <rtg> ogra_, ack
[12:56] <ppisati> rtg: i didn't rebase on origin/master this morning since there was nothing arm-related there (an intel xhci fix and then the x86-only readelf stuff)
[12:59] <rtg> ppisati, yeah, you're fine. I get omap4 uploaded this morning.
[12:59] <rtg> I'll*
[12:59] <ppisati> rtg: ack
[13:02] <ppisati> since i updated my box this morning, skype keeps popping up and stealing focus
[13:02] <ppisati> *CRAP*
[13:04] <rtg> ogasawara, pushed Quantal v3.5.4 rebase w/forced ABI bump. note that we should wait to upload until after gcc-4.7 4.7.1-9ubuntu1 is built.
[13:04] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[13:10]  * ppisati -> reboot
[13:18] <ppisati> tseliot: sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[13:18] <ppisati> tseliot: Error! Application of patch fix-build-issue-on-i386-where-TS_USEDFPU-is-no-longe.patch failed.
[13:18] <ppisati> tseliot: is there a way to rekick the build without that patch?
[13:19] <ogra_> rekick -> dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-updates
[13:19] <ogra_> no idea how you fix out the patch manually before though
[13:19] <ogra_> s/fix/fish/
[13:20] <ppisati> ogra_: dpkg-reconfigure restarts the build, so it unpacks again all the stuff etcetc
[13:20] <ogra_> but probably there are hints in the /usr/src dir
[13:20] <ppisati> ogra_: thus it tries to reapply the patch
[13:20] <ogra_> it shouldnt unpack again
[13:23] <ppisati> ogra_: right
[13:23] <ppisati> ogra_: it actually complains
[13:23] <ppisati> ogra_: "fglrx-updates is broken or not fully installed"
[13:23] <ogra_> wow, thats bad, it should just trigger dkms again
[13:24] <ppisati> i want to die...
[13:24] <ogra_> thats a bit of an overrecation, no ?
[13:24] <ogra_> :)
[13:24] <ogra_> "killed by an fglrx update"
[13:26] <ppisati> :)
[13:35] <tseliot> ppisati: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[13:36] <ppisati> tseliot: P/amd64]
[13:36] <tseliot> ppisati: I think there's a package in precise-proposed that could solve your problem
[13:36] <tseliot> ppisati: still fglrx-updates
[13:37] <ppisati> tseliot: i'll give it a sping, thanks
[13:37] <ppisati> sping
[13:37] <ppisati> ARGH
[13:37] <ppisati> spin
[13:37] <tseliot> :)
[13:43] <ppisati> tseliot: nope
[13:43] <ppisati> tseliot: sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates/precise-proposed
[13:43] <tseliot> ppisati: same error? With what kernel?
[13:43] <ppisati> tseliot: ii  fglrx-updates                          2:8.982-0ubuntu0.1
[13:44] <ppisati> tseliot: Error! Application of patch fix-build-issue-on-i386-where-TS_USEDFPU-is-no-longe.patch failed.
[13:44] <ppisati> tseliot: 3.2.0-31-generic #50-Ubuntu
[13:45] <tseliot> ppisati: weird, let me try it here
[13:45] <tseliot> ppisati: also, is it on i386?
[13:45] <ppisati> tseliot: amd64
[13:46] <tseliot> ppisati: ok
[13:48] <ppisati> brb
[13:55] <siretart> ogasawara: would you mind reconsidering the 'importance' field of bug #908784 (my rationale is in comment #3) - thanks in advance!
[13:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 908784 in linux "Please reconsider keeping aufs module in linux-image-3.5.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908784
[13:58] <ogasawara> siretart: re-enabling aufs is on our radar.  I wanted to discuss with apw (when he returns from vacation) later this week.
[14:07] <siretart> ogasawara: thanks a lot!
[14:12] <orated> Hello! I'm using Beagleboard XM running Canonical Ubuntu 12.04 3.2.0-30-omap. Even with the latest kernel where sound issue is fixed, I'm not able to get audio output. $ cat /proc/asound/cards lists 0 [omap3beagle ]. I even tried the steps on a fresh install, there is still no sound output. Can anyone help me find the cause?
[14:14] <rtg> ppisati, ^^
[14:15] <ppisati> if /proc/asound/cards shows the audiocard, kernel is good
[14:15] <orated> rtg: I had some progress with ppisati help
[14:15]  * ogra_ doesnt think anyone tested or touched ubuntu-desktop on omap in ages
[14:15] <orated> ppisati: Yes, but even the fresh install is with same behaviour
[14:16] <ogra_> essentially someone needs to supply a proper UCM config for it
[14:17] <ogra_> ppisati, no worries, the kernel is good, its just that bnobody sent a patch for alsa-libs with a proper usc config yet
[14:18] <orated> I used ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img image
[14:19] <orated> Is sound common issue on all arm platform running canonical image?
[14:19] <ogra_> canonical image ?
[14:20] <orated> canonical ubuntu image
[14:20] <ogra_> what has canonical to do with that ?
[14:20] <orated> just to differentiate it from custom
[14:20] <ogra_> custom ?
[14:20] <orated> like rcn-ee
[14:20] <ogra_> seriously, there is only one ubuntu image
[14:21] <ogra_> and with issues with non-ubuntu images you shouldnt come here but go to the creator
[14:21] <orated> ogra_: When did I say I'm running non-ubuntu image?
[14:22] <ogra_> you call it "canonical ubuntu image" all the time
[14:22] <ogra_> there is no such thing
[14:22] <ogra_> its the ubuntu image
[14:22] <orated> Well, I've been asked before which image.. canonical or rcn-ee
[14:22] <orated> Okay, I take that back. Thanks for the correction
[14:23] <orated> Is sound common issue on all arm platform running Ubuntu?
[14:23] <ogra_> sound works fine on the pandaboard and the ac100 images
[14:23] <ogra_> where people have supplied proper ucm configurations for alsa
[14:24] <alexbligh> Not sure whether this is a kernel question or not. We are seeing:  /bin/mount -t nfs4 <IP_ADDRESS>:/volumes/rpool0/qa2-nfs /test not call modprobe on the nfs module, but with '-t nfs' (not -t nfs4) not fail because of the modprobe (but not work, as not nfs4). Apparently this is a known issue https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo - my question is *why* isn't mount doing a modprobe?
[14:24] <alexbligh> (precise & lucid, FWIW)
[14:37] <rtg> alexbligh: prolly 'cause the super block code advertises the name 'nfs' instead of 'nfs4'. See fs/nfs/super.c 'static struct file_system_type nfs_fs_type'.
[14:49] <tseliot> ppisati: ok, I can reproduce the issue (something must have changed in the kernel). I'll make sure it builds again
[14:50]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:02]  * ogra_ hugs rtg
[15:05] <hggdh_> infinity: good morning
[15:11] <henrix> hggdh_: hi! i'm still waiting for infinity as well, probably for the same reason as you :)
[15:11] <hggdh_> henrix: hi, yes, I think we are on the same page
[15:27] <ppisati> tseliot: thanks
[16:01]  * ppisati -> gym
[16:02] <alexbligh> rtg, thanks
[16:02] <rtg> alexbligh: no problem
[16:38] <rtg> CVE-2012-3520
[16:38] <ubot2> rtg: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-3520)
[16:39] <infinity> hggdh, henrix: Hey, I'm around.  Post-birthday hangover.  Going to get to trying to work voodoo to recover those missing binaries in a sec.
[16:40] <hggdh> infinity: thank you
[16:40] <henrix> infinity: thanks! (and happy birthday...? :) )
[16:40] <rtg> jjohansen, is CVE-2012-3520 on your radar ? Just noticed a stable patch for it.
[16:40] <ubot2> rtg: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-3520)
[16:40] <henrix> infinity: it looks like the missing files are still on the kernel ppa (at least, the linux-headers-*)
[16:40] <henrix> infinity: not sure if that helps
[16:42] <jjohansen> rtg: hrmmm no not yet, I'll poke
[16:42] <rtg> jjohansen, ack
[16:47] <infinity> henrix: Shouldn't matter if they are or aren't in the PPA still... I think.  I need to sort out what wgrant was trying to tell me yesterday when I was drunk, and see if it works. :P
[16:48] <henrix> infinity: heh, right. thanks
[17:30]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:15] <jjohansen> rtg: okay its being tracked now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1052097
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1052097 in linux-mvl-dove "CVE-2012-3520" [High,Invalid]
[18:16] <rtg> jjohansen, ack.
[18:48]  * cking -> EOD
[19:49] <rtg> ogasawara, gcc-4.7 is done building. are you thinking about an upload this afternoon ?
[19:50] <ogasawara> rtg: I am.  I had one additional set of amd patches I wanted to squeeze in.
[19:50] <rtg> ogasawara, I've got 2 AMD systems if you'd like some testing
[19:50] <ogasawara> rtg: oh cool, lemme build you a quick test kernel.
[20:08] <ogasawara> rtg: test kernel on gomeisa in my quantal-amd64 dir.  not sure if you have the right combo of actual hw, but at least confirming no regressions would be great.
[20:09] <rtg> ogasawara, post the patch set ?
[20:09] <ogasawara> rtg: I'll send a pull request to the list
[20:22] <rtg> ogasawara, both systems seem to be working OK (desktop and server)
[20:22] <ogasawara> rtg: thanks.  just sent email to the ml and CC'd you
[20:35] <rtg> ogasawara, I think we should delay application of patches in bug #1032228 until we can get some hard data. One of those patches is pretty intrusive. I'm not sure its worth the power savings given the maintenance hassles this might create.
[20:36] <ogasawara> rtg: ack, I'm fine holding off on them till we get more data
[20:36] <rtg> ogasawara, pull the trigger on the rest ?
[20:37] <ogasawara> rtg: yep, am kicking off test builds right now and then will upload
[20:37] <rtg> ogasawara, you picked up 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: CONFIG_HID_BATTERY_STRENGTH=y' ?
[20:37] <ogasawara> rtg: I didn't flip it on, just posted a comment to the bug
[20:37] <ogasawara> rtg: or did you push it?
[20:38] <rtg> ogasawara, I pushed a patch on master-next
[20:38] <ogasawara> rtg: ah, I hadn't picked it up, will do so now
[20:47]  * rtg -> EOD


[10:18] <ndut2> hey guys
[10:18] <ndut2> anyone want to setup hacker group with me ?
[10:18] <ndut2> join ##shellcoder or #[EliteZ]


[02:44] <ksknightmare_> hello all, im pretty new at this, but browsing the untriaged bugs on launchpad i found a "bug" that is more of a mistake i believe
[02:45] <ksknightmare_> Not sure if someone else wants to look at it first or not
[02:46] <trinikrono> you should put it up here
[02:46] <trinikrono> ksknightmare_: you can just bug (number)
[02:46] <trinikrono> and it shuold come up
[02:46] <ksknightmare_> 849624
[02:47] <trinikrono> put bug first
[02:47] <ksknightmare_> bug 849624
[02:47] <trinikrono> :D
[02:47] <trinikrono> it is working now, great
[02:47] <ksknightmare_> ahh thank you
[02:47] <trinikrono> we have a bot here that puts a link to it
[02:47] <ksknightmare_> ok cool
[02:47] <trinikrono> so the other people in bugsquad can see what you are talking about
[02:48] <trinikrono> ksknightmare_: on to the bug now
[02:48] <trinikrono> what do you think is going on here
[02:53] <trinikrono> oh noes!
[02:54] <ksknightmare> well i dont think the -calendar command is even designed to work with thunderbird
[02:54] <trinikrono> exacta
[02:54] <trinikrono> it says its for sunbird
[02:54] <trinikrono> so the bug is invalid
[02:55] <ksknightmare> ok cool, should i drop a comment in there just to let him know why?
[02:56] <trinikrono> well when you do anything on a bug report you should have a nice comment explaining why you did it
[02:56] <trinikrono> have you seen the responses page ksknightmare?
[02:57] <ksknightmare> i think ive got it open in one of my tabs lol
[02:57] <ksknightmare> ok i found it
[02:58] <trinikrono> i would suggest you put in the fact that he/ she
[02:58] <trinikrono> can run thunderbird -h
[02:58] <trinikrono> and see what commands he can run with it
[02:58] <ksknightmare> ok sounds good
[02:59] <trinikrono> just remember to be nice :D
[03:00] <ksknightmare> of course :) haha, thanks for your help, im just getting started but want to start helping more
[03:02] <trinikrono> ksknightmare: i did not see a comment as yet
[03:02] <trinikrono> it looks like you just made the report invalid lol
[03:05] <trinikrono> paging ksknightmare
[03:07] <ksknightmare> ugh my internet keeps kicking me off, but i got the comment posted
[03:09] <trinikrono> okie
[03:09] <trinikrono> that should work
[03:09] <trinikrono> you could of subscribed to the bug and put the comment when you had the drop down open (when you had the box where you selected invalid)
[03:10] <trinikrono> in case the reporter opened back the bug or something
[03:10] <trinikrono> you would not know if you did not subsribe to the bug
[03:11] <ksknightmare> ok i think im subscribed to it now
[03:11] <trinikrono> great only 80000 to go
[03:12] <trinikrono> :D
[03:12] <ksknightmare> haha making progress ! :)
[03:19] <micahg> ksknightmare: did you try installing xul-ext-lightning to see if thunderbird -calendar would work?
[03:19] <ksknightmare> no i did not, im doing that now
[03:20] <ksknightmare> this time i can "unrecognized command line flag -calendar"
[03:24] <ksknightmare_> still getting the command not found error
[03:25] <micahg> yep, ok
[03:30] <trinikrono> on the wiki page it says it only works with sunbird o.o
[03:33] <micahg> yep, but sunbird is dead :)
[03:33] <trinikrono> hello micahg i have not seen you in a long time
[03:33] <micahg> trinikrono: I'm here somewhere :)
[03:33] <trinikrono> i can upload things to ppa now
[03:34] <trinikrono> so i understand packaging a little better
[03:34] <ksknightmare_> that bug has been changed back to new. hmm
[03:35] <trinikrono> ksknightmare_: see why i told you to subscribe to it
[03:35] <ksknightmare_> yup. makes perfect sense now haha
[03:43] <ksknightmare> should i reply back telling him that it only works with sunbird?
[03:45] <trinikrono> ksknightmare: well what he is getting at
[03:45] <trinikrono> is that he wants a calender option from the command line
[03:45] <trinikrono> look at the bug report he posted up
[03:45] <trinikrono> from the upstream tracker
[03:48] <ksknightmare> im looking at it now, doesnt seem like anyone really has it working unless editing the files themselves
[03:50] <micahg> ksknightmare: no, it's a feature request
[03:51] <trinikrono> yup
[03:51] <ksknightmare> so it should be set to wishlist?
[03:53] <trinikrono> good question what do you vote micahg
[03:53] <micahg> yep
[03:54] <trinikrono> set a upstream tracker also?
[03:54] <micahg> yep, also add a task for lightning-extension in ubuntu
[03:55] <ksknightmare> sorry guys, im still trying to learn all this stuff
[03:58] <trinikrono> hehe i finally found a version of lightning to work with my thunderbird
[04:13] <trinikrono> micahg: are you still around
[16:17] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: regarding the pattern for bug 752061 the file in tmp is a randomly named temporary one so your match only works for the master bug
[16:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 752061 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] gwibber-service crashed with DBusException in __new__(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-0ZC7xQ8Eu0: Connection refused (affects: 12) (dups: 12) (heat: 106)" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752061
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: Bug #752061 is private.
[16:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 752061 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] gwibber-service crashed with DBusException in __new__(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-0ZC7xQ8Eu0: Connection refused (affects: 12) (dups: 12) (heat: 106)" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752061
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: additionally it looks like 'Connection refused' is translated
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:17] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:18] <ubot4> ubot5: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:18] <ubot4> ubot5: You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.
[16:18] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: oh jeeze.  U broke something
[16:18] <RedSingularity> lol
[16:18] <bdmurray> hggdh: who do we need to talk to?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> so, what the hell is wrong with the bot today?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> tsimpson
[16:18] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: because there are 2 I think they got in a loop
[16:19] <charlie-tca> #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops
[16:19] <roadmr> that was awesome!!
[16:20] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: so would I leave out that temp file in the future?
[16:20] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: right I'll finish fixing it once I fix the bots
[16:20] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: ok and what did you mean with the connection refused?
[16:20]  * hggdh goes reading the backlog
[16:21] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: I think you are right. I recall tsimpson saying if ubot2 showed back up, kick out ubot4, so apparently two bots are a bad thing
[16:21] <hggdh> bdmurray: about both ubots?
[16:21] <hggdh> heh, faster than I am, as usual
[16:22] <bdmurray> Well I had a head start ;-)
[16:22] <hggdh> oh boy, this sort of resembles the very first boot loop in history -- early arpanet
[16:22] <hggdh> bot loop, actually
[16:25] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: oh the connection refused was part of the /tmp folder?
[16:26] <bdmurray>  /tmp/dbus-0ZC7xQ8Eu0 that is a temporary file
[16:26] <bdmurray> and then : Connection refused is translated
[16:26] <bdmurray> so I'm ending the pattern at dbus-
[16:27] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: there is a new version of test-local that checks all the duplicates of a bug and this is how I found this
[16:28] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: /test-local is in the ubuntu-bugpatterns folder correct?
[16:28] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: right
[16:29] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: ok.  I still need to make that slight adjustment to test-local on my system since I have 10.04.  That wont effect it in any way?
[16:29] <bdmurray> I don't think so
[16:30] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: the match = report.search_bug_patterns('bugpatterns.xml') has to be changed to match = report.search_bug_patterns('.') on my system.
[16:31] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: but ok.  I will keep an eye out for those /tmp situations and leave that part out.
[16:34] <nigelb> bdmurray: Did you see my branch from yesterday? Its working \o/ I'm writing tests today :)
[16:35] <bdmurray> nigelb: that's great!
[16:35] <nigelb> :)
[16:48] <bdmurray> Ursinha: it seems to might that powernap could use an apport package hook
[16:49] <Ursinha> bdmurray, cool, I'll look
[16:49] <bdmurray> there are some powernap log files in /var/log/
[16:59] <Ursinha> bdmurray, I didn't have it installed here, so I installed and am producing logs :)
[17:06] <charlie-tca> QA meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:44] <lgp171188> Hi, I want to report a bug against the unity lens for thunderbird that displays the unread email count. Which package should I report it against?
[17:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> thunderbird
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> apport-bug thunderbird
[17:48] <lgp171188> chrisccoulson: Are you sure it is thunderbird? Thunderbird correctly shows the email count but the lens doesn't. Shouldn't it be the unity lens that does this job?
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> huh, there shouldn't be a count in the lens, and never has been
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> there is a count on the launcher
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> if there isn't one, then you're missing some packages
[17:52] <lgp171188> chrisccoulson: Oops, I messed up the terminology. The icon corresponding to the active instance of thunderbird on the unity menu, shows the count, but the count is wrong. So should the bug be raised against thunderbird?
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> define "wrong"
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> what do you think it should be showing?
[17:54] <lgp171188> I have had 1 unread email in thunderbird. So I clicked on the icon and read the email. But the unread count in the icon in unity menu still shows 1 unread item.
[17:54] <lgp171188> So I want to report a bug for that.
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> what does the messaging menu say?
[17:59] <lgp171188> chrisccoulson: Actually I took a screenshot of the icon in the launcher (with 1 unread mail) and the open thunderbird window (showing no unread emails) and restarted thunderbird immediately without checking the messaging menu. After restart the count is shown correctly and am unable to reproduce it for now. So I guess I will have to wait till I can reproduce it before reporting a bug. Thanks for the help.
[18:02] <lgp171188> chrisccoulson: I was able to reproduce it. The messaging menu and the icon in the launcher show the same erroneous unread count. Thunderbird shows the correct one though.
[18:04] <lgp171188> oops, looks like I found another bug that it is not possible to take a screenshot when the messaging menu is open. ok let me file the bugs. Thanks.
[18:09] <lgp171188> chrisccoulson: Since both messaging menu and the icon in the launcher show the wrong count, should the bug still be raised against thunderbird package instead of unity/indicator-applet?
[18:25] <ksknightmare> i have a noob question. i want to apply for a mentor. but i dont know how to edit my ubuntu wiki page..
[18:27] <trinikrono> alo ksknightmare you made the page already?
[18:28] <ksknightmare> no, how do i do that? ive never messed around editing wikis before
[18:29] <trinikrono> i believe you just go on wiki.ubuntu.com/<launchpadid>
[18:29] <trinikrono> then click edit towards the top
[18:29] <trinikrono> like mine is wiki.ubuntu.com/trinikrono
[18:29] <ksknightmare> ok, i found it, it says create new page. thank you!
[18:31] <trinikrono> can someone look at bug 846367 for me please
[18:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 846367 in totem (Ubuntu) "When opening a directory with totem, video files are added to the playlist but some of them won't play (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846367
[18:31] <trinikrono> i got the reporter to collect apport info and a log but i dont understand it
[22:03] <bdmurray> that's weird I changed by desktop background, lock the screen and at the unlock screen dialog see old wallpaper
[22:07] <bdmurray> any firefox-lp-improvements users around?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> I use them as the firefox extension, but it quit working in Oneiric again
[22:09] <bdmurray> are you sure about?
[22:09] <bdmurray> that
[22:09] <bdmurray> bah - are you sure about that charlie-tca?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> let me check to make sure
[22:10] <bdmurray> you might want to install the latest too
[22:10] <charlie-tca> firefox-launchpad-plugin?
[22:10] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: no - https://launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[22:11] <bdmurray> firefox-lp-improvements
[22:11] <charlie-tca> I got that installed too, according to Synaptic
[22:11] <bdmurray> which version?
[22:11] <bdmurray> well I just uploaded a brand new version with a buttontags working again
[22:12] <charlie-tca> 0.99.83-0ubuntu1-ppa1
[22:12] <bdmurray> that should work and .84 will have buttontagging working
[22:12] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:13] <bdmurray> I was looking for a tester for the tagging thing as it has worked intermittently for me


[08:01] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:16] <brobostigon> is it possible to setup bitlbee to only allow connections from very specific ips/hostnames ?
[10:05] <popey> brobostigon: you could firewall it with iptables
[10:06] <brobostigon> i am just looking at that possibility.
[10:12] <popey> thanks directhex ☻  just bought system shock 2 and fez
[12:49] <DJones> If anybody has a 13.04 machine to hand, can you check the repositories to see if you have ttp://ppa.launchpad.net/gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable/ubuntu For some reason I've that included in mine and I can't see why, can't remember adding it as a repo, none of the software in the repo is installed and doesn't appear to be anything I would have installed
[12:52] <penguin42> I doubt it would add a ppa by itself
[12:53] <popey> indeed
[12:53] <popey> either you installed it or something else added it during install
[12:53] <popey> you could grep /var/log/dpkg.log for mentions of cinnamon
[12:55] <DJones> Nothing there
[12:55] <popey> well, there may be in older dpkg.logs
[12:55] <popey> alan@deep-thought:/var/log$ ls -l dpkg* | wc -l
[12:56] <popey> 10
[12:56] <DJones> Just looking through the others, nothing in them either
[12:57] <DJones> I'll remove it anyway
[12:57] <popey> where was it?
[12:57] <popey> in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:57] <popey> or in a separate list file
[13:01] <DJones> Just trying to work out where its coming from, its not in sources.list
[13:02] <DJones> Doesn't show in a .list file in sources.list.d
[13:05] <popey> where are you seeing it then?
[13:05] <DJones> I'm looking in Synaptic -> Settings -> Repositories
[13:05] <DJones> Under Other software
[13:06] <popey> if it's enabled then it must be in /etc/apt/sources.list or somewhere in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:11] <DJones> Found it, its been added in Insync.list
[13:12] <DJones> I've already removed Insync, so removed it from sources
[13:12] <DJones> I knew I hadn't conciously added a cinamon repo
[13:23] <DJones> England 1 - Australia 0 yay
[13:48] <SuperEngineer> watch out, watch; there's a SuperEngineer about ;)
[13:49] <penguin42> oh oh
[13:49] <SuperEngineer> watch out, watch out even - idiot me
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> I hope everybody is well & happy on this wonderful day
[13:52] <popey> HOT!
[13:55]  * popey makes some burgers
[13:56] <SuperEngineer> turn on fans - hang wet towels - wait till later - pat self on back - cook on barbeque
[13:56]  * penguin42 puts choc biscuits in fridge
[13:57]  * popey switches off the pool heater. 33 degrees is warm enough I think!
[14:00] <SuperEngineer> popey: not yet! that's only one degree above it turning into ice!
[14:01]  * SuperEngineer can hear the reaching of C->f table from here
[14:02] <penguin42> only enough 250 degrees or so  until it gets comfortable
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> just checked disk[s] health stats ... & then checked free space
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> health is all cool - free space: 30gig left on Ubuntu partion, 25 on backup disk - storage partions ok
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> conclusion... Steam & Glastonbury are bad for disk space ;)
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> ...but fun
[14:46]  * SuperEngineer just watching interview on BBC Click with Humble Bundle man - nice one beeb!
[14:47] <brobostigon> yes, saw that yesterday.
[14:47] <SuperEngineer> good, huh
[14:48] <SuperEngineer> [some of us were working yesterday]
[15:35] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... why would SMPlayer be asking me which version of mplayer in use [<1.3, 1.3 >1.3] when synaptic shows it at 2.something
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: but.. vlc!
[15:37] <SuperEngineer> ....could understand if hadn't added it from software Centre... come on SMP - get it right boys
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: time for some bug filings?
[15:37] <SuperEngineer> I have a long vid I want the  last "played up to" position remembered... to me that read, need SMP
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: methinks you might be right
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> ...& if only bugs = wish listas, dear VLC please add.... ;)
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: what do you need in vlc?
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Not just click file, play music/video, done?
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: or a playlist?
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: the abilty to remember last "played up to point" & to carry on next time from there
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> [the only reason I downloaded SMP
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/5315
[15:42]  * SuperEngineer opens link
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> ...& sees he's not the only one with that wish
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: .. nice weekend volunteer project? ;)
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> if only the plugin wasn't a windows plugin - & if only it was in the official build
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: :-)
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: make it an all-platform enhancement in the VLC codebase :)
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm....
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> [p.s apart from that slight defect... VLC! wow!
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> yeah it can play ALL the things
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> yup - I had a 1 track music vid from a while back.... nothing would play it...
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> VLC would
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> it can also play from DLNA shares
[15:49] <SuperEngineer> it can probably play as yet uninvented formats I reckon!
[15:49] <penguin42> by sending the codecs backwards in a time machine?
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yes
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> ...now you are pointing the finger ;)
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you and your TARDIS
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> I learnt to do without a TARDIS ever since The Dr. stole mine! - now I have learnt to travel without one
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: DeLorean driver then?
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: lol
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> [mine is cleverly disguised as Skoda... noone will guess!]
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: that'll never hit 99mph though
[15:53] <moreati> 88 mph
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> uh yes
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> 88
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: you sure about that?  mine does
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> moreati: still won't hit that speed :)
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: and it's a Skoda? Are you really sure?
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> ...unless any police on channel atm in which case - 28mph is all it can do!!!
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: GPS verified at 98 - with a bit of spare actually
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> no - I did *not* say GP{S verified!!!! - that invalidates insurance
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> so 28mph max it is then
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: well, maybe you verified it in Germany, on the Autobahn
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: yes - I am 100% sure... & yes, of course... how forgetful of me. Of course that's were I verified it!
[15:57]  * penguin42 had assumed it was in the local Super market car park
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> it just looked so similar to a certain m'way I use, easy mistake to make ;)
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no - I leave those for doughnutting idiuots
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> *idiotsa
[15:59]  * penguin42 assumes that isn't related to the sweet bread like confection
[16:00] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: please tell me your not a doughnutting idiot
[16:00] <SuperEngineer> pleeeeeeeese
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: what if he's a doughnutting smart guy 8-)
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: then that's cool - he will be doing it his own time - not the public
[16:02] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well only if they're chocolate coated - preferably with some extra chocolate sprinkles
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> Pendulum: stop making me feel hungry! it's too hot for that sort of treat
[16:04] <penguin42> yes, more ice cream weather
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you need a "Broeders" ;)
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: ask AlanBell how it tastes ;)
[16:05] <AlanBell> nom
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> ...with choccy prinkles, choccy flake, choccy sauce..... & a dribble of raspberry just for interest
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: have you tried a Dark Roast yet?
[16:06] <AlanBell> not yet, just the one pale ale
[16:09] <penguin42>  'be surplrised' !
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: typos -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:15]  * penguin42 must try making chocolate sorbet - there is an ice cream place near here that sells it and it's *gorgeous*
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: just seen the "Broeders" bit - like the organic bit but wheart beer & I don't usually get on too well
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it's only 30% wheat
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: also, it's "clear", not cloudy like Weizen
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: but there's always Dark Roast ;)
[16:19] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: hmm.... know - *that* doesa make it appealing
[16:20] <SuperEngineer> [Dark Roast - as in chocolate malt? - no sprinles I hope!]
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah, "coffee stout"
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I will try to find some
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> [locaaly that is]
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: where in the UK are you? :)
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: Gloucestershire
[16:22] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: http://youtu.be/XEEU1nQeGNA?t=32s   reminds me of
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it's going to be hard to find local Dutch brews there ;)
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: but I travel a fair bit for work [ 1,000 miles/week in bad times]
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: but my brother is going to drive aroud the UK in is VW van in a few weeks, if you shoot him a mail he might bring you sime
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> some*
[16:22] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Heck he might miss our summer
[16:22]  * SuperEngineer likes that idea
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: he's already having summer in the Netherlands, I think he's going to the UK to see English weather
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: Marti"Vds", "vandestreek" beer - do I detct a family connection there?
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: they're my brothers :)
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: wow!
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> so emailing would be ok?
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: just mail info@vandestreek-bier or use the contact form, saying you'd like some beer if he's in the area
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> Marti said you are to bring to me crates of free beer!
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: +.nl somewhere in there
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> :D
[16:28] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I guess it's a hard life having to test beer for your brothers
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yeah, horrible
[16:29] <shauno> I hope your siblings are nothing like mine.  I'm not sure I'd trust their freebies ;)
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they make special edition beers for family birthdays and everything
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I made a celebration once - now it's on sale in supermarkets! that was not my intention
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: your celebration is on sale?
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> how does that even work? ;)
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> [it proved so popular with press & guests ... I dare not allow it to be a one-off as intended
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: ....Exmoor Gold
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> ..& the first to append or prefix "Gold" to a beer name
[16:32] <shauno> o_O
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> [seemed better than Exmoor[brew number] as original called]  ;)
[16:34] <shauno> hm, I quite regularly drink a beer called golden something that's a good 50 years going.  I'd consider it a wild claim that you were the first to go there ;)
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: yeah, my brothers first used numbers for their brews as well
[16:35] <penguin42> shauno: So good you can't remember the full title?
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: they still do for their research brews
[16:35] <shauno> penguin42: more that I'm unsure of the translation, it's Zlatý Bažant
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> we didn't actually use brew numbers - the standardd beer was Exmoor Ale - this was a one off for reaching a milestone...
[16:36] <penguin42> shauno: Golden Pheasant according to Google
[16:36] <shauno> that'd explain why I'm not familiar with the second word :)
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> well v/f sounds become "b" in lots of other languages
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> and "fazant" should give a hint that it's like pheasant ;)
[16:37] <SuperEngineer> but to sell commercially a number was not a good idea - so I [as brewer, and therfore witha good say in the matter] put forward exmoor Gold as name to keep to brand name
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> (actually, that's the Dutch name of the bird ;))
[16:38] <shauno> heh, I see your logic in retrospect.  although the B really is a B
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> and shauno if that is correct - I swallow my pride - & change to "name of modern era beers"
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> shauno: in Spanish, things written with a "v" tend to be pronounced with a "b" instead
[16:40] <HoT|2fC^iPad> lo MartijnVdS :-)
[16:40] <HoT|2fC^iPad> Is there a Server version of ubuntu?
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> there is
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> it's called, surprisingly, "Ubuntu Server"
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> you can find the installation ISOs in the same place as the desktop ISOs
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> ...& if anyone is wondering - I have my original test brews in a case at home - signed HMCE.
[16:41] <HoT|2fC^iPad> Ah nice I might install it on a ol Dell desktop I have using a Intel Cel D :D
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: that's cool :)
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> I call it my "ritirement policy" ;:
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you should really email my brothers then, as a beer guru ;)
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: the idea gets more & more interesting
[16:42] <HoT|2fC^iPad> Ok thanks :-) currently on a train so cant do it yet lol.
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: if the bros are r***** &s****** I've found an email address
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: they are, just use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>though
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: that goes to both
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: and into the correct folder in their mail apps ;)
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: cool - will do
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> celebration time folks - just regained use of headphones [plugged in front of pc socket] back
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> \m/
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: something to listen to: http://open.spotify.com/album/79pZVE4kIdBwRwP27Fw1yJ
[17:01] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: "To enjoy Spotify, please install Adobe Flash. It's free." - not in my browser!. but thanks anyway
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you can jsut install the .deb instead, of spotify
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> https://www.spotify.com/nl/download/previews/
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> that's Dutch.. wait a minute
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> https://www.spotify.com/en/download/previews/
[17:02] <SuperEngineer> [I have flash installed - I can "release" it on most pages if reallly needed - but Spotify wanmts to go try all on it's on!  No!
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> trying that last link
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> Marti would that be an advert supported version by any chance?
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:  would that be an advert supported version by any chance?
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: by default it's ad-supported, you can buy a subscription to get rid of the ads
[17:09]  * MartijnVdS 's ISP pays for the subscription though \o/
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: let me find a better way to stream for you
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Lysandre/8423091
[17:15]  * SuperEngineer opens that link... feels better about that one!!! cheers
[17:17] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - it had a problem opening flash - yup, that would be because it didn't ask for permission [snigger]
[17:17]  * SuperEngineer punches chest with fists - Tarzan stylie!
[17:18] <SuperEngineer> & knows he wins
[17:35] <penguin42> anyone know how pkgcofnig is supposed to work when cross building with debs?
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: you should probably ask the raspbian guys
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they cross-built (build?) a lot of their archive
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> Sheffield is on fire: http://i.imgur.com/qJYiv51.jpg
[17:38] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Was a pretty big fire in Manchester yesterday, I see Sheffield is always late....
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[17:42]  * SuperEngineer currently watching glastonbury performance from Alabama Shakes - she is mostly motionless - except for the mouth - & wow!!
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> Alabama Shakes are great :)
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> +1
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you should see Ed Harcourt as well
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: will go hunt
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it's on iplayer
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> [what I thought was a Rolloing Stones only vid is actually an extended full-on "Best Of" - wiondered why it was so large ;)
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: downloaded via get- [then remanmed and moved and backed up - no expire]!
[17:48]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> [sorry about typos - hard to type when so distracted by that voice!]
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> hm.. MOT day tomorrow :|
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> (well APK, but that's the same thing but Dutch)
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> quick self tyres, washers, lights and dashborad indicators check time - saves a fortune [but you know that already]
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: yeah, it's service time as well
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: so they're going to do some basic fixes first :)
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> I hope the adventure with the curb near popey's house didn't break anything other than my tyre
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: get them to check the boot as well -there mightr still be popey chickens in it!
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it's a SMART, it doesn't have much of a boot
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: lol
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5877491002319853233/5877491010391899122?pid=5877491010391899122&oid=100189567362844794281
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> just checked it - no damage - tell them it's a "pass"
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:25] <popey> SuperEngineer: no chickens here
[18:25]  * SuperEngineer  hums "ain't nobody here but us chickens"
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> ...& invents next podcast title at same same!!!
[18:34] <popey> We have a pattern for podcast titles
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> darn
[18:37] <AlanBell> Ubuntu Run
[18:42] <popey> that wont fit either
[18:43] <AlanBell> true, Chicken Ubuntu then
[18:44] <popey> ☻
[18:44] <penguin42> is that like Chicken Kiev?
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: is that like Chicken Chernobyl?
[18:46] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Similar, but you can get it served cold
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> top gear o'clock
[18:59] <brobostigon> new top gear, bbc2.
[18:59] <brobostigon> :)
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> and hunt vs lauda after that
[19:01] <brobostigon> gibralter airport,
[19:01] <brobostigon> damn, nope.
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: pissing of the Spanish by calling Gibraltar "Here in Britain"
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> off
[19:02] <brobostigon> lol
[19:06] <penguin42> sigh I hate libtool
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> that's ok, it hates you back
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> in fact, it hates everyone
[19:11] <penguin42> nod
[19:37] <popey> not seen any of this season of top gear
[19:37] <popey> or the previous season, despite having a ticket to go to the studio audience.
[19:37] <popey> Top gear jumped the shark about 3 seasons or so back
[19:39]  * penguin42 hasn't watched it in a while, but there again I'm not a car penguin
[19:40] <shauno> I'm not really a car person, but I am basically an overgrown 12yo.  apparently their core audience
[19:40] <AlanBell> I have recorded it for later watching
[19:41] <AlanBell> but yeah, it probably is time for a change of format/change of presenters
[19:41] <popey> i enjoy the Drive youtube channel much more
[19:41] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/user/drive
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: does it have POWAAAAR
[19:43] <popey> meh
[19:43] <popey> its fun, more entertaining than the rather formulaeic top gear
[19:43] <AlanBell> contains more car
[19:44] <AlanBell> and less "last of the summer wine"
[19:44] <popey> much less ego
[19:45] <AlanBell> heh, a comparison that has been made before :) http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2011/04/08/top-gear-producers-angrily-deny-any-resemblance-to-last-of-the-summer-wine/
[19:50] <mungbean> i find cars boring, which is why i enjoy topgear
[19:52] <brobostigon> i find the idioticism funny, almost like i am expecting boris johnson to appear.
[19:52] <popey> i like old cars, but don't really care about cars I'll never have any chance to own
[19:52]  * popey has the holy grail going on his other screen
[19:53] <mungbean> records the returned for another night
[19:53] <mungbean> and switches off telly
[20:04] <ali1234> "loosely car-based sitcom" HAHAHA
[20:05] <hcfd> If you were going to deploy Ubuntu on 50 school desktops, tomorrow, would you choose 10.04 or 12.04?
[20:06] <ali1234> 12.04
[20:07] <hcfd> Support/upgrade issues aside, still 12.04?
[20:07] <hcfd> The reason I have some doubts is that I have found 12.04 to be much flakier.
[20:07] <ali1234> yes
[20:07] <ali1234> that is easily fixed
[20:07] <ali1234> simply don't use unity or compiz
[20:08] <hcfd> What's the quickest way back to Gnome 2.x?
[20:08] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[20:08] <hcfd> Magic. Thank you ali1234 :)
[20:09] <ali1234> this will stop working soon though
[20:09] <ali1234> but hopefully by then consort-session or mate-session will be a reasonable replacement (they currently aren't unfortunately)
[20:09] <hcfd> Case in point: I am installing 12.04.2 LTS VM at the minute, and I'm running the first batch of updates, which fail, because one dependency requires 2.0 but 2.2 is installed. *sigh*
[20:10] <penguin42> hcfd: That's odd - what package?
[20:11] <hcfd> For my own system I have 10.04.4 and I've chopped and changed various bits as I go, but for a fresh deployment I'd like to use 12.04 if I could make it more reliable.
[20:11] <hcfd> penguin42, just a sec...
[20:11] <penguin42> a clean 12.04.2 should just work; are you adding any PPAs or the like?
[20:11] <ali1234> should...
[20:12] <hcfd> Depends: python-minimal (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu2) but 2.7.3-0ubuntu2.2 is installed
[20:12] <ali1234> that's a bug
[20:12] <hcfd> This is a clean and full-auto/default install
[20:12] <hcfd> Yes.
[20:12] <ali1234> someone typod the debian/control
[20:12] <ali1234> what package has that dependency?
[20:12] <hcfd> python
[20:13] <ali1234> whut
[20:13] <ali1234> python depends on python minimal?
[20:13] <hcfd> heh
[20:13] <ali1234> i suppose that makes sense
[20:13] <hcfd> That's what it's trying to tell me, yep.
[20:13] <ali1234> !info python precise
[20:13] <hcfd> And now Update Manager has closed unexpectedly.
[20:13] <ali1234> !info python-minimal precise
[20:13] <brobostigon> !info testing
[20:13] <hcfd> I should still risk pain and suffering for 12.04?
[20:14] <brobostigon> !info python testing
[20:14] <brobostigon> !info python3 testing
[20:15] <brobostigon> i personally, would either go with *buntu lts or debian stable for such applications.
[20:15] <ali1234> hcfd: did you apt-get update before updating?
[20:15] <hcfd> Well this *is* Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[20:15] <hcfd> ali1234, yes
[20:15] <ali1234> 2.7.3-0ubuntu2 appears to be the version from the initial release
[20:16] <ali1234> anyway, you're not going to have any better luck with 10.04
[20:16] <popey> hcfd: 12.04.2?
[20:16] <hcfd> popey, yes
[20:16] <ali1234> the older releases tend to slowly fall apart even when they are still officially supposed to be maintained
[20:16] <popey> this is a cleanly installed system which you're running update manager on?
[20:16] <hcfd> ali1234, except my experience over the last 3 years has been good with 10.04.
[20:17] <ali1234> yeah well it will be if you are constantly updating it
[20:17] <hcfd> popey, yes. It's the 64bit version on the latest VirtualBox atop of Windows 7, but that's by-the-by.
[20:17] <popey> I'll try and reproduce it
[20:17] <ali1234> 10.04 LTS 5 year support only applies to server stuff btw, not desktop. that's right isn't it popey? 2 or 3 years for desktop?
[20:17] <hcfd> popey, okay, appreciated.
[20:18] <popey> yes
[20:18] <penguin42> hcfd: That sounds like you've got half a set of updates - i.e. it's found one new python package but not the other, which mirror are you using?
[20:18] <popey> see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[20:18] <hcfd> popey, I just downloaded from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop and chose 12.04 LTS 64-bit
[20:18] <ali1234> really there's no way i would even consider using 10.04 for a new desktop deployment today
[20:18]  * popey downloads
[20:19] <popey> i installed 12.04 recently and dont recall this issue
[20:19] <ali1234> i suspect it's something to do with initial apt-get update
[20:19] <hcfd> penguin42, could be. I was idly clicking through the GUI and let it choose whatever mirror it automagically determined was best.
[20:19] <ali1234> something that you'll only ever see once per install, if you see it at all
[20:20] <popey> it should do an apt-get update post-install
[20:20] <ali1234> there's that word again
[20:21] <hcfd> 's/should/will\ hopefully'
[20:21] <penguin42> hcfd: You could try paste bin'ing the output of   apt-cache python
[20:21] <popey> also pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log
[20:21] <penguin42> hcfd: I think the trick with the python packages must match - i.e. the main and the minimal
[20:21] <hcfd> Sure
[20:22] <popey> hah, just downloaded the iso
[20:22] <popey> already had it from last friday - oops
[20:22] <ali1234> there also that option in the installer "download updates..."
[20:22] <popey> shows how recently I installed it
[20:23] <popey> hcfd: did you tick "download updates while installing" or "install third-party software" in the installer?
[20:24] <hcfd> Both
[20:24] <popey> k
[20:26] <hcfd> apt-cache: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5875288/
[20:27] <hcfd> dpkg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5875290/ (1MB)
[20:28] <ali1234> "unpacked python2.7 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.2" 3.2?
[20:28] <hcfd> o_O
[20:29] <ali1234> apt-cache says it knows about 2 and 2.2
[20:29] <ali1234> but not 3.2
[20:29] <ali1234> that is very strange
[20:31] <popey> its not 3.2 though
[20:31] <popey> it's 2.7.3..
[20:31] <penguin42> hcfd: What about apt-cache policy python
[20:32] <penguin42> actually, that's the 1st bit
[20:32] <penguin42> hcfd: What does apt-cache policy python-minimal say ?
[20:32] <ali1234> popey: 2.7.3-0ubuntu2 vs 2.7.3-0ubuntu2.2 vs 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.2
[20:32] <hcfd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5875313/
[20:33] <popey> sorry, thought you were implying it was python 3.2
[20:33] <penguin42> hcfd: OK, so that can get a 2.2 and the main python can get a 2.2 - so hmm what's the problem?
[20:34] <hcfd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5875315/
[20:34] <hcfd> penguin42, <hcfd> Depends: python-minimal (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu2) but 2.7.3-0ubuntu2.2 is installed
[20:35] <penguin42> hcfd: Yeh, I can't see why it isn't installing python 2.7.3-0ubuntu2.2 to solve that
[20:35] <hcfd> 254 updates in the queue but they won't install because ^
[20:35] <hcfd> I'm sure I can coax it to
[20:35] <hcfd> But, fresh install.. I expect the initial updates to work
[20:35] <penguin42> nod so would I
[20:36] <penguin42> hcfd: What's the lines before the Depends: python-minimal .... - can you pastebin the full text?
[20:36] <popey> right, precise installed
[20:36]  * popey snapshots
[20:36] <hcfd> Thanks popey
[20:37] <hcfd> penguin42, That is the full text, with one exception: Prepend "python: " and you've got it all.
[20:37] <popey> so what should I do, login, wait for update manager to appear?
[20:37] <hcfd> popey, yeah, so I logged in, waited for update manager, clicked install all... If it wanted a reboot I let it, rinse, repeat
[20:37] <popey> k
[20:38] <penguin42> hcfd: The thing I'm confused by is it seems to be possible for it to upgrade the python and it knows that, so I'm curious why it's not just updating the python as well
[20:38] <hcfd> Sure
[20:38] <hcfd> Shall I go ahead and see if I can coax it to proceed?
[20:39] <penguin42> give Popey a chance first
[20:39] <hcfd> No problem
[20:39] <penguin42> hcfd: But I'd try doing an apt-get update just to make sure it has got the latest set, and then I'd try doing an apt-get install python   and see what happened
[20:40] <hcfd> And off it goes, 2.2 installed.
[20:42] <hcfd> It's worth pointing out again that Update Manager crashed after it errored on unmet dependency for python.
[20:42] <hcfd> It's proceeding fine with the other updates now.
[20:42] <popey> right, update manager has popped up
[20:42] <popey> 278 updates
[20:43] <penguin42> hcfd: do you have anything in /var/crash ?
[20:43]  * popey runs "apt-get -s upgrade >> aptgetupgrade
[20:43] <popey> and apt-get -s dist-upgrade >> aptgetupgrade
[20:43] <popey> or similar
[20:44] <hcfd> penguin42, I do indeed.
[20:44] <penguin42> hcfd: What?
[20:44] <hcfd> _usr_bin_update-manager.100.crash
[20:44] <hcfd> _usr_bin_update-manager.100.upload
[20:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5875349/
[20:44] <hcfd> _usr_bin_update-manager.100.uploaded
[20:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5875350/
[20:44] <hcfd> .1000. rather
[20:45] <hcfd> The .crash is 183K
[20:45]  * popey hits "install updates" in update manager
[20:45] <penguin42> now that .uploaded means it's been submitted to somewhere doesn't it?
[20:45] <popey> yes
[20:45] <popey> errors.ubuntu.com
[20:46] <popey> hcfd: how much ram has your vm got?
[20:46] <popey> mine has 2GB
[20:46] <hcfd> Ah, just 1GB
[20:46] <popey> just a thought
[20:46] <hcfd> Valid
[20:46] <popey> applying changes...
[20:46] <penguin42> hcfd: You could unpack that crash file and see the actual backtrace if you felt enthusiastic
[20:47] <popey> or create a bug and apport-collect it into teh bug report
[20:47] <hcfd> penguin42, if I had more time
[20:47] <hcfd> popey, I'm waiting to see if you can reproduce it at all
[20:48] <penguin42> hcfd: Nod,  in principal if you've got an lp account then just doing   ubuntu-bug and the path to the crash file should do it all for you
[20:49] <penguin42> then we could see what you hit
[20:50] <hcfd> ubuntu-bug ran at the time of the crash
[20:51] <hcfd> I should do more?
[20:51] <hcfd> Forgive my ignorance
[20:52] <penguin42> ah do you have a bug number?
[20:52] <hcfd> No, but I agree that'd be the next step
[20:52] <hcfd> Let me create the ticket
[20:52] <penguin42> hmm if ubuntu-bug ran doesn't it give you a bug number?
[20:52] <penguin42> (or does the default send that to errors.ubuntu rather than launchpad)
[20:53] <hcfd> I think it zooms to errors.ubuntu and that's that.
[20:53] <hcfd> Yeah, that's all.
[20:53] <penguin42> yeh so I think you should be able to get ubuntu-bug to send it to lp if you run it like I said above
[20:54] <penguin42> hcfd: Or use apport-cli to unpack and then you can just find the python backtrace and see if there is an existing bug
[20:55] <hcfd> This is new to me. Running ubuntu-bug with one argument (path to crash file) sends to errors.ubuntu
[20:55] <popey> right, so first run of update manager has finished
[20:55] <popey> it now says I need to reboot
[20:55]  * popey does that
[20:56]  * popey opens update manager and checks for updates post-reboot
[20:56] <hcfd> penguin42, ah okay, so it's a duplicate of http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/871430
[20:56] <popey> no updates
[20:56] <popey> so no, i cant reproduce it
[20:57] <popey> I'll burn this and do it again with 1GB RAM
[20:57] <hcfd> See link above.
[20:57] <hcfd> Duplicate of existing bug, original reporter was on 11.10..
[20:57] <hcfd> Hmm.
[20:57] <penguin42> hmm 2 years old, triaged, high but failing again with a different package version on 2 years newer version odd - some type of race?
[20:57] <popey> 11.10
[20:58] <hcfd> Brian Murray (brian-murray) on 2011-10-11 importance: Undecided -> High
[20:58] <penguin42> hcfd: Are you sure that's the crash as opposed to the version error - or is it really the same problem?
[20:58] <penguin42> hcfd: 32 bit or 64?
[20:58] <hcfd> 64
[20:59] <hcfd> I'm certain that's the crash
[20:59]  * popey does the same updates in update manager again but with 1GB RAM
[20:59] <hcfd> Whether the crash is related to the version error.. it's temporally proximal, but I can't assert it's related.
[21:00] <penguin42> I see lots of other bugs with people hitting python-minimal stuff on upgrades - but not fresh installs - except for that one
[21:02] <popey> finished okay with 1GB RAM
[21:02] <popey> sorry hcfd
[21:03] <hcfd> No worries, great effort to reproduce. :)
[21:03] <penguin42> popey: It does look like the same bug 871430 bug though so I guess he's not just making it up to test us :-)
[21:03] <hcfd> 'strue! :-)
[21:03] <popey> hehe
[21:04] <popey> np
[21:04] <penguin42> hcfd: I'd say report the bug with ubuntu-bug anyway if you can, explain what you did to work around it and add a comment saying it looks like 871430 and also add a comment on 871430 saying you managed to trigger it on 12.04.2
[21:05] <penguin42>  <afk>
[21:05] <hcfd> Consider it done
[21:05] <hcfd> Thanks guys
[21:07] <popey> np
[21:07] <popey> fun ☻
[21:32] <mgdm> The DSL here syncs at 8Mbit but I get 30kbytes/sec do:(
[21:32] <mgdm> s/do$/down/
[21:32]  * mgdm blames BT and their wet string
[21:34] <moreati> give them some credit. It takes a lot of watering cans to keep string wet in this weather
[21:38] <moreati> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1604965156/ubuntu-theater-project-summer-festival-breaking-ch?ref=home_spotlight no relation AFAICT
[21:39] <mgdm> moreati: sadly this is NW Scotland, and it's just got a bit damp up here again, just in time for me to arrive
[21:41] <mgdm> (and the backhaul to the mainland is a microwave link from Stornoway to Dingwall, which is not keen on rain)


[00:05] <mlankhorst> RAOF: yeah, but still trying to get a hold of jasoncwarner_ :)
[00:06] <TheMuso> mlankhorst: Afaik he is traveling/in the US now and likely recovering.
[00:07] <RAOF> Yeah, that was my thought.  He's usually available.
[00:21] <RAOF> robert_ancell: We should probably have some form of screen-attachment hack for the colour calibration session - the colourhug itself doesn't have any way to attach to a screen.  Probably some elastic would do.
[00:37] <cyphermox> EDS SRU coming up...
[04:23] <jasoncwarner_> hey AU folk...how is everything?
[04:24] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell RAOF TheMuso bryceh ^^ (bryce is honorary AU folk...and robert_ancell is still "AU")
[04:24] <RAOF> Peachy.
[04:24] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, no AU here
[04:24] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, first day done?
[04:24] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: AU jr. ?
[04:25] <RAOF> I've just discovered that you can run piuparts locally!
[04:25] <robert_ancell> RAOF is on the western island
[04:25] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: oh man...sooooo tired. was up since 4am local time, but I've gotten like 7 hours total sleep since waking up AU sunday
[04:25] <RAOF> Mmmmm, international.
[04:25] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, *wave*
[04:26] <RAOF> robert_ancell: With the *really big* north island above me? :)
[04:27] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh and RAOF ? for ya on X...when are we going to get rid of frankenserver and bring down new x stack for Q? I remember us saying we wanted to do that early in the cycle, but wasn't sure *how* early
[04:28] <jasoncwarner_> something we should do soon?
[04:28] <bryceh> guess it's probably not time critical
[04:28] <bryceh> traditionally we wait until the week or so after UDS
[04:29] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: should we do it sooner rather than later? or ...not matter?
[04:29] <jasoncwarner_> k
[04:29] <RAOF> There's not a lot of people using quantal at this point, and even if there were, now that proposed works we'll be able to smoothly upgrade anyway.
[04:29] <bryceh> would be inconvenient to break everyone just as they're getting ready to fly out :-)
[04:30] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh and RAOF cool...ok, so about the week after UDS...works for me.
[04:30] <bryceh> RAOF, I'm thinking less about transition troubles, more about just plain old X bugs.  But yeah, not many people will be running it right now, it probably doesn't matter too much one way or the other
[04:31] <RAOF> Previously the rationale for early X transitions was that they broke stuff.
[04:32] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF and that is what I'm worried about now. though, Chase says we shouldn't have issues with input b/c all that stuff is upstream? but, week after UDS seems as good as any
[04:32] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Hey there, hope your travels were uneventful.
[04:33] <jasoncwarner_> hey TheMuso ! Yeah, so far so good. nothing too stressful :) thanks for asking!
[04:33] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: But this time around we *won't* break stuff, except in the case of bugs; it'll be like Precise, where people didn't notice that we did a server transition.
[04:33] <RAOF> Except maybe nvidia & fglrx ;)
[04:33] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: always fun with those two ;)
[04:34] <RAOF> Yup!
[04:57] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner_, are you in oakland already?
[04:57] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: yuppers!
[04:57] <kenvandine> cool, good trip?
[04:59] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: yeah, no drama. oak is nice enough
[04:59] <jasoncwarner_> found a decent gym ;)
[05:00] <kenvandine> cool, you'll be all rested by the time i get there :)
[05:01] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Nice and close?
[05:02] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: yeah, right around the corner...works!
[08:49] <dupondje> Got some odd bug every 10 boots with Gnome-shell
[08:50] <dupondje> it boots fine, logging in, but then I get an incomplete gnome-shell. Like not everything loads.
[08:50] <dupondje> No errors, but it stops loading. Need to kill gnome-shell to get it working again.
[08:50] <dupondje> Any idea's how to debug that & give it a bugreport :)
[08:58] <mlankhorst> anything suspicious in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[09:02] <dupondje> ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area
[09:02] <dupondje> ** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon
[09:02] <dupondje> ** Message: applet now embedded in the notification area
[09:02] <dupondje> nothing else
[09:09] <Laney> quiet today
[09:09] <Laney> is it a holiday or something? :P
[09:09] <dupondje> it is
[09:10] <mlankhorst> dupondje: hm doesn't really look interesting :(
[09:11] <dupondje> mlankhorst: Indeed :) but its quite annoying sometimes. You boot, and bam, gnome-shell refuses to do its work :P
[12:30] <mlankhorst> noon
[15:19]  * Laney is merging bluez
[15:22] <cyphermox> Laney: there are changes slangasek wanted to land, for python3
[15:22] <Laney> cool
[15:22] <Laney> are they anywhere?
[15:22] <cyphermox> yes, just a second
[15:23] <Laney> shame they weren't in the udd branch
[15:23] <cyphermox> https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/quantal/bluez/python3/+merge/103795
[15:24] <cyphermox> there may be a little work to fix things, see barry's review
[15:25] <Laney> i'll have a look
[15:25] <cyphermox> we can always apply that later though
[15:26] <Laney> may be easier to ubuntu2 it, yeah
[15:26] <cyphermox> there's something else that may be nice too, though it would require discussing with the Debian maintainer
[15:27] <cyphermox> splitting hid2hci into a separate package like Fedora does... hid2hci enabled and isntalled by default is a major pain, although I agree it's helpful to some people
[15:28] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: ^^
[15:28] <cyphermox> but I'll happily take care of that later
[15:29] <Laney> yeah
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, without it, bluetooth just doesn't work at all on my dell laptop
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> and it's not exactly uncommon hardware
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i've got 2 dell laptops that both require it
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i guess seb128 has the same hardware in his too
[15:30] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: right, but there's also issues with logitech devices that we can't really fix, because they appear to share USB IDs
[15:30] <cyphermox> maybe getting rid of some of the rules may be better then
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that might be better
[15:30] <cyphermox> or figuring out why your hardware requires that, seems very weird
[15:31] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: did you send me the USB IDs for your bluetooth device?
[15:31] <cyphermox> and/or the model of the laptop, then maybe I can mess with it again in the hardware lab
[15:32] <cyphermox> the Logitech rules appear to be the most problematic
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/960212/
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> it's a dell e6410
[15:33] <cyphermox> interesting
[15:33] <cyphermox> that does look like something that should be working out of the box from the kernel driver :/
[15:33] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: it's integrated, right?
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, yeah
[15:34] <cyphermox> ok
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> although, i did fit this one myself
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> but it's the one that dell normally fit to their laptops
[15:34] <cyphermox> ok
[15:34] <cyphermox> there's some chance we have that in the lab, so I'll try this Thursday or so when I get in the office
[15:36] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: ah, that was for a suspend issue?
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i don't recall having a suspend issue
[15:37] <cyphermox> nm, I'm misreading the rule
[15:38] <cyphermox> yeah, I guess it would have to be just removing the Logitech rules
[15:40] <cyphermox> Laney: if you want to take care of it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/269851  seems like the "fix" would be to not switch either that particular logitech device (c714) or dropping the Logitech rules altogether; because those are normally external dongles that support keyboard and mouse; and using those on a liveCD or installer is problematic, since you wouldn't have pairings yet, and need
[15:40] <cyphermox> another keyboard or mouse to make one :)
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 269851 in bluez "Bluetooth Logitech Dinovo Edge Keyboard/Mouse does not work anymore" [Medium,Incomplete]
[15:42] <cyphermox> otherwise I'll add it to my todo and get back to it in a few days
[15:43] <Laney> cyphermox: I'd be a bit leery changing it without being able to test
[15:43] <cyphermox> ok
[15:44] <cyphermox> I can only test my own dongle though, that's not covering the same device as in the bug either :(
[15:44] <cyphermox> but I can definitely attest to how much it's a pain to make the original pairing and find an extra keyboard and mouse :)
[15:45] <Laney> amen
[15:45] <Laney> I'm adding some more 2to3 stuff and then I'll push it up
[15:45] <Laney> you can sit on it and smush your changes on top when you get a chance
[15:47] <cyphermox> Laney: feel free to upload your changes, I'll make another revision after thinking about it some more
[15:47] <Laney> well i need sponsoring anyway
[15:47] <cyphermox> oh
[15:47] <cyphermox> then I'll sponsor it whenever it's ready
[15:47] <Laney> righto
[15:48] <Laney> give me a few mins
[15:48] <cyphermox> sure, np
[16:54] <Laney> cyphermox: there you go, you should have mail
[16:54] <Laney> bbl
[16:57] <cyphermox> ok
[17:44] <cyphermox> Laney: what were the changes you made on top of the python3 patch for bluez?
[17:58] <Laney> cyphermox: I guess the tests saw some changes in the new upstream; it was catching some remaining unconverted stuff
[17:59] <Laney> I meant to do it in a separate commit but forgot
[17:59] <cyphermox> oh ok, cool :)
[17:59] <cyphermox> I was asking because I couldn't see the one thing that barry mentioned that we can't work without -- raw_input() -> input() otherwise I guess it would crash
[17:59] <cyphermox> I fixed it here, I'll build and test and upload
[17:59] <Laney> oh, I did do that, hang on
[18:00] <cyphermox> oops
[18:00] <Laney> ok
[18:00] <Laney> no worries :-)
[18:00] <cyphermox> used dch -at, you still get the credit ;)
[18:01]  * cyphermox thinks about upgrading to quantal tomorrow
[18:07] <jbicha_> cyphermox: beware bug 992745 then
[18:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 992745 in libxfont "X doesn't load in Quantal, downgrading libxfont1 to Precise version fixes it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/992745
[18:07] <cyphermox> ahahah
[18:07] <cyphermox> jbicha_: awesome, thanks!
[18:08] <jbicha_> the Internet tells me we're getting rid of X anyway :)
[18:08] <cyphermox> yeah, who needs X. Menus are for restaurants!
[18:09] <cyphermox> fortunately, one of the first things I will be working on will be  the CLI interface for NM, don't need X for that... but I'll just set up pinning now so that I don't have to worry about it when I run the upgrade
[18:12] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: lol @ "Menus are for restaurants" :)
[18:17] <dupondje> Quantal is open tomorrow ? :)
[18:17] <dupondje> mmm :D
[18:17] <dupondje> tempting :)
[18:20] <dobey> quantal is already open
[18:23] <Laney> wide open
[18:24] <dupondje> mmm open :)
[18:26] <cyphermox> dupondje: just waiting until tomorrow because I took the day off for other reasons, so I'll have time to deal with the breakage now
[21:49] <MrChrisDruif> Hai everyone
[21:50] <MrChrisDruif> jbicha_ referred me to this channel
[21:52] <MrChrisDruif> desrt; I heard you like GNOME Shell as well?
[22:15] <MrChrisDruif> jbicha_; do you happen to know the timezone of desrt ?
[22:17] <desrt> MrChrisDruif: just got off of a plane, so now it's -7
[22:17] <jbicha_> MrChrisDruif: I'm sure he'll be around in a bit, he lives in Toronto but I'm not convinced he sleeps :)
[22:17]  * desrt waits for his bags while distchecking glib :)
[22:18] <MrChrisDruif> And *naturally* you check into irc while you wait ^_^
[22:18] <jbicha_> desrt: are you in Oakland?
[22:18] <desrt> SFO presently
[22:18] <desrt> i'll be getting on the BART shortly, though, assuming my bags are here
[22:18] <desrt> MrChrisDruif: i'm late for a glib release and i did most of the work on the plane.  i want to get the upload done ASAP
[22:19] <desrt> jbicha_: you coming next week?
[22:19] <jbicha_> desrt: two glib releases in one day?
[22:19] <desrt> jbicha_: stable and unstable
[22:19] <jbicha_> desrt: I'll get in Wednesday night, a bit late to the party but it'll still be fun!
[22:20] <desrt> wednesday tomorrow or 8 days from now?
[22:20] <jbicha_> 8 days
[22:20] <desrt> ya.  a bit late :)
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> Well, will be a few days better then I will do this uds
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> So it's around 5:22 where you are desrt ?
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> pm*


 I run it on 1.5 fine, and now on my updated Android 2.1 HTC Hero even better
[19:47] <mkarnicki> beuno: so we'll look into it with verterok for sure
[19:47] <beuno> mkarnicki, we ran it on 1.5 in the emulator
[19:47] <duanedesign> /8/7
[19:47] <mkarnicki> beuno: have at least some of you been able to run it and poke around?
[19:47] <duanedesign> oops
[19:47] <beuno> it worked for some people, and not for others
[19:47] <mkarnicki> aha
[19:48] <beuno> not for me, but for many people
[19:48] <beuno> I did see it working
[19:48] <beuno> and it's great progress
[19:49] <mkarnicki> beuno: he didn't have much time for me yesterday evening. I wanted to tell him that this particular problem reveals already *before* you even tap the Log-in button
[19:49]  * mkarnicki is kind of sad
[19:49] <mkarnicki> beuno: you think so?
[19:50] <mkarnicki> beuno: we had major issues with Android, and the project was stalled for 2 weeks we spent on downgrading the protocol handling to JAva Old I/O
[19:50] <mkarnicki> but I don't know why there's that protobuf error, I'm waiting for verterok to have a look at that
[19:50] <beuno> mkarnicki, everyone loves that you're working on it
[19:50] <mkarnicki> :)
[19:50] <beuno> and is excited to see it starting to take shape
[19:51] <beuno> it's understandable that it doesn't work in some situations
[19:51] <beuno> we'll all help you debug as much as we can
[19:51] <mkarnicki> I'm glad I caught someone to tell me how it went yesterday, at least I won't be sitting and wondering how bad it was haha
[19:51] <mkarnicki> beuno: thanks :) I'll let you know when we fix that particular bug
[19:51] <mkarnicki> beuno: in 2 days I have my second and last exam, and I'll be able to focus on the project ^ ^
[19:52] <beuno> \o/
[19:52] <beuno> and I now have my nexus one
[19:52] <beuno> so I'll be able to test it on 2.2  ;)
[19:52] <mkarnicki> oooh \o/ !
[19:52] <mkarnicki> beuno: cool! I should make an option to send the debug log output haha!
[19:54] <beuno> yes you should!
[19:54] <mkarnicki> it's also very easy to do just plugging it with USB to the computer and running one command from the SDK (but I don't require everybody who'll be beta testing to have the SDK ;) )
[19:55] <mkarnicki> so yes, I'll add that option soon.
[20:02] <mkarnicki> beuno: ok then! wish me luck on my last exam and keep me in the loop! I'll be back on the project in 2 days.
[20:04] <duanedesign> good luck on exams. Nice to read about the progress.  I wish i had an Android phone to test it. I'll geet my paws on one sooner or later :)
[20:04] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: ^^
[20:04] <duanedesign> get*
[20:06] <beuno> mkarnicki, good luck!
[20:16] <mkarnicki> duanedesign, beuno: thanks ^ ^ duanedesign - glad you're following the progress :)
[20:36] <popey> honk
[20:36] <popey> anyone about?
[20:43] <duanedesign> popey: been kinda quiet today. Having an issue with your Tomboy notes?
[20:43] <popey> yeah
[20:43] <popey> 19:19:08 < popey> rye suggested that i could delete the notes in my u1 account using ./ubuntuone-couchdb-query  --http-method DELETE notes
[20:43] <popey> 19:22:25 < popey> hmm, now it finally came back with {"error":"unauthorized","reason":"Authentication required."}
[20:59] <duanedesign> popey: how does that work. Do you specify a url path after ./ubuntuone-couchdb-query  --http-method DELETE notes ?
[20:59] <popey> dunno, just running at rye suggested
[21:00]  * duanedesign nods
[21:09] <duanedesign> popey: looking at my notes. It looks like the process i have is. Get the Note_id from https://one.ubuntu.com/notes/edit/<Note_id>
[21:09] <balachmar> Hi, I accidentely added a folder to be synced through ubuntu one, what is the quickest way to get it of again? Is there a commandline way?
[21:09] <duanedesign> python ubuntuone-couchdb-query notes/$id
[21:09] <duanedesign> popey: ^^will give you a uri
[21:10] <duanedesign> EX: URI: 87a788ca-4c7f-4212-9b1e-6e9560f18e96?rev=1-4993784180b7046d64d161f969e64083
[21:10] <duanedesign> then run: python ubuntuone-couchdb-query --http-method=DELETE notes/$uri
[21:10] <duanedesign> i know you are trying to delete all notes, if i recall. But i hope that is useful
[21:10] <duanedesign> balachmar: hello
[21:11] <balachmar> duanedesign: hi
[21:11] <duanedesign> balachmar: run the command: u1sdtool --list-folders
[21:11] <duanedesign> balachmar: you should see your folder?
[21:11] <balachmar> duanedesign: yes
[21:12] <duanedesign> balachmar: do you want to stop syncing it and leave it on the cloud? Or do you want to stop syncing and delete it from cloud. This option will not harm data locally
[21:13] <balachmar> duanedesign: stop syncing and delete from cloud
[21:13] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --delete-folder=FOLDER_ID   you will see the FOLDER_ID in previous command
[21:14] <duanedesign> ex: u1sdtool --delete-folder=id=7f21890b-dafb-40c5-ba97-60959c2335b1
[21:14] <balachmar> duanedesign: ok thanks!
[21:15] <duanedesign> your welcome balachmar
[21:15] <balachmar> Was a bit stupid of me, misclicked (wanted open terminal) however I had nothing selected, but it treated it as if I had everything selected
[21:15] <balachmar> Which was not as expected :)
[21:18] <popey> duanedesign: i think this is the problem, some of my notes have odd characters in the names, unlike normal tomboy notes, which makes them hard to delete
[22:44] <DarkNemesis> is there a way of saving account details to ubuntu one so that one can transfer all your accounts (yahoo, hotmail,gmail icq... irc... jabber.. everything) to the new machine (web book / lappy 2nd desktop) via ubuntu one? like syncing account details, and passwords if not would any one build this as it would  be good and improve ubuntu  or sync configs so that we can load options for adding the addons for ff and chro
[22:44] <DarkNemesis> me etc
[22:50] <beuno> DarkNemesis, you could mark the config dirs to be synced
[22:54] <DarkNemesis> beuno, not always good as the whole dir wold be snycd and that would mean that a webbook with 1gb or somthing wouldn't work so well
[22:55] <beuno> DarkNemesis, just mark the folders that contain configs for syncing
[22:56] <DarkNemesis> beuno, its a solution but ma and pa cant do it therefore not a good enough one - dont get me wrong it is a good solution but you see where i am coming from
[22:57] <beuno> yes
[22:57] <beuno> it's also not something ma and pa are most interested in
[22:57] <beuno> so, we've not focused on replicating configs much
[23:09] <duanedesign> DarkNemesis: https://launchpad.net/stipple
[23:09] <duanedesign> we are writing all kinds of plugins for different config files
[23:09] <duanedesign> should be a .deb soon
[23:11] <DarkNemesis> ahh cool, just made good for web books?
[23:44] <Marsh> Can anyone tell me if the bandwidth limit but got fixed? Launchpad say client fix was released but mine' sstill broke.


[00:08] <aaron> SUCK MY DICK
[00:09] <Guest40430> FUCK THEY CHANGED MY NAME FUCK YOU MAN
[00:43] <Guest43723> Hi , When i boot Ubuntu Mate built for Raspberry PI 3 , i get "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules" and it says that it is booting to emergency mode
[00:44] <Guest43723> has anyone faced this problem before
[03:19] <fizikz> hi, is it possible to use the gnome3 overlay scrollbars in mate? i see options for default scrollbars or the older ubuntu overlay with "thumbs"
[03:19] <fizikz> gnome: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-adT3zFeBrzg/VdWupfYRD_I/AAAAAAAAWwo/WBQmBjRwuiU/s1600/gnome-scrollbars-ubuntuwily.png
[03:19] <fizikz> vs
[03:19] <fizikz> ubuntu with "thumbs": http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_sy38ocD-qU/VdWsw3oWHoI/AAAAAAAAWwU/a-6lI73v5j8/s1600/unity-overlay-scrollbars.png
[15:31] <cristian_> Alguien habla español?
[16:12] <leilasamy> how I install kubuntu desktop
[16:20] <Gibi92> try "sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop"
[16:37] <crankypuss> anybody install 17.4 on dell xps13?  problems with brcm drivers and not having wifi.  tia
[16:38] <ali1234> try #ubuntu+1
[16:39] <crankypuss> what is #ubuntu+1??  thought this was ubuntu-mate channel?
[16:41] <ali1234> it is the channel for unreleased developement versions of ubuntu
[16:41] <crankypuss> what is latest released version of MATE?
[16:41] <ali1234> the latest released version of ubuntu-mate is 16.10
[16:42] <ali1234> 17.04 will be released in april 2017
[16:42] <crankypuss> then i need to use that one.  do you know if codeblocks runs ootb after install?
[16:42] <ali1234> i have no idea
[16:43] <ali1234> you might also consider the latest LTS version which is 16.04
[16:44] <crankypuss> ok, thanks on the vers nbr.  tried ubuntu (not-mate) and whatever version... 16.04, 16.10, codeblocks was older version and didn't work.
[16:44] <ali1234> ubuntu-mate has the same version
[16:45] <crankypuss> then maybe i have to buy a mac; debian, ubuntu, siduction, lubuntu, all losers on xps13 for one reason or another.
[16:46] <ali1234> maybe
[16:46] <ali1234> all ubuntu flavours have the same packages
[16:46] <ali1234> the only difference is which ones are installed by default
[16:47] <crankypuss> codeblocks looks about as good as MSFT's VC version that i stopped using in 2001, but can't find a setup that works.  never have been good at installing stuff, prolly my fault somehow.
[16:48] <crankypuss> thanks again.
[17:40] <mate|4428> Hi.. a friend of mine wants to learn python. He is an begineer in learning programming language and also to linux. Will ubuntu mate lts be a good fit for his need? Or should I suggest him an rolling distro?
[18:02] <sandal_maker> hey
[18:02] <sandal_maker> i just installed ubuntu mate on my old notebook HP mini 110, the wifi doesnt work. i tried go to Additional Drivers but when i hit apply it back to previous option.
[18:06] <unzak> Hello all... Anyone have experience loading an Amazon Fire Stick on Ubuntu?
[19:16] <daffodil> does anyone know by chance how to install log4net on ubuntu-mate (running it on a raspberry pi)?  trying to build a smuxi server
[19:16] <daffodil> wondering if it's hidden in some package name i can't find or something
[20:13] <olof_> I just installed mate in a VM. I enabled topmenu. But its unclickable... suggestions?
[20:34] <damian__> hi
[21:25] <dldurk> anyone ever installed quassel-core on ubuntu mate?
[21:40] <olof> Doesnt firefox work with topmenu panel in ubuntu mate?
[21:42] <clacri> hello
[21:44] <clacri> Has somebody ever tried to get piface rtc working with Mate on Raspberry pi ?
[22:09] <nicklas> Hello. Had to reinstall, cause when I tried to install nvidia via the ubuntu mate welcome/additional drivers, it did'nt finish all the way. The progress bar stopped right before the end. I rebooted, and gui wouldn't load, just had a blocks test text and a underline blinking randomly on black screen after booting. Is it safe to just try again, or should I do something else?