[00:00] <TJ-> pete: so let's find out what's installed: "pastebinit <( apt list --installed nvidia* )"
[00:06] <TJ-> pete: looks like you've got nvidia-384.111 from the ubuntu archive but 384.130 from the graphics-drivers PPA
[00:07] <pete> TJ-: yeah
[00:07] <pete> TJ-:  I don't know how that happened :(
[00:07] <pete> I guess I should have paid more attention to what is being installed?  How do I fix this?
[00:07] <pete> it's called API mismatch?
[00:08] <TJ-> pete:  "pastebinit <( apt list --installed nvidia* )"
[00:09] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6qpVtDbdKP/
[00:11] <TJ-> pete: it looks OK now, I think the apt upgrade earlier solved the mismatch but we need to double-check the actual files are correct, and I think we should remove nvidia-375 - unless you know of a reason to keep it?
[00:11] <pete> TJ-:  I think nvidia 387 or thereabouts is the current stable driver in linux?   384 should be okay, in theory?
[00:12] <TJ-> pete: actually, the nvidia-375 has the same version as nvidia-384 so maybe not
[00:13] <TJ-> pete: hmmm, lets find out what's in that package. "pastebinit <( dpkg -L nvidia-375 )"
[00:13] <Guest41072> Can anyone help me with Ubuntu 17.10 crashing randomly for me? I'm pretty new to Linux and have no idea what to do.
[00:14] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XMmsdBxpqz/
[00:14] <yeats> Guest41072: can you provide specifics about what's happening?
[00:14] <pete> I can't look at these links :-/   this browser is sick
[00:15] <TJ-> pete: consider yourself lucky; I think reading logs is the first sign of insanity !
[00:15] <pete> i clicked something so I can use chrome, too
[00:15] <TJ-> pete: oh good, that package is just a place-holder, nothing important in it, so we'll leave it
[00:15] <pete> I can read them now
[00:16] <pete> TJ-:  okay
[00:16] <TJ-> pete: I want to check the kernel module is OK too. "pastebinit <( dkms status )"
[00:17] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XC93hFtRSN/
[00:18] <Guest41072> pete: When I use demanding applications or if I idle, the system just stops. I can sometimes still see picture, but nothing moves. The processing light on my PC goes completely off and doesn't even blink.
[00:19] <TJ-> pete: one last paste then we can unwind everything so you can reboot and test. "pastebinit <( apt list --installed linux-image* )"
[00:21] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zpjbMPZpnC/
[00:21] <pete> TJ-: sorry for the delay
[00:21] <pete> I am wondering about drivers.... ubuntu puts theirs in ppa?  but, they are slightly older than the official
[00:22] <TJ-> pete: let's clean up the kernels whilst we are here. "apt autoremove"
[00:22] <TJ-> pete: other way around, version in graphics-drivers PPA is slightly newer than those in the archive
[00:23] <Bashing-om> pete: Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package.
[00:23] <Sven_vB> Guest41072, as a start, please choose a nickname whose first few chars are more unique so we can more easily address you. :) as for the crashes, I'd test whether they occurr in memtest86+, too.
[00:24] <Sven_vB> or some other very simple program that has few things running that could interact badly with each other
[00:25] <pete> progress at 89%...
[00:25] <weedoe> Ok, changed. I'll try that
[00:25] <TJ-> pete: once that's done, let's unwind: "umount -a" (ignore any error messages) then "exit" back to the host, then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount /target/$n; done; sudo umount /target; sudo rmdir /target"
[00:25] <pete> TJ-: completed
[00:26] <pete> TJ-: output:   "umount: /dev: target is busy."
[00:27] <TJ-> pete: ah well, it won't hurt. Now start a reboot and test !
[00:27] <pete> TJ-:  do you mean skip the rest?
[00:28] <TJ-> pete: maybe do "sync" although that isn't necessary... just start a GUI-initiated reboot so everything is stopped in an orderly fashion
[00:29] <pete> skip sync then?
[00:30] <TJ-> pete: yeah, reboot and test, I'm sure it'll be OK
[00:30] <pete> TJ-: okay
[00:30] <pete> I understood some of that but not all
[00:30] <pete> TJ-:   I'll try rebooting in sda3
[00:30] <pete> brb
[00:35] <storm__> hello everyone
[00:36] <storm__> can anyone help and give some information about dhcpv6
[00:37] <storm__> configration
[00:46] <avantgardist> hello :)
[00:47] <avantgardist> how's it going?
[00:47] <leftyfb> avantgardist: can we help you with something?
[00:49] <pete> TJ-: hello?
[00:49] <TJ-> pete:
[00:49] <pete> TJ-: I still have the original problem :(
[00:49] <avantgardist> nope, but i want to talk something like gnu/linux or something else
[00:49] <pete> screen flickers on boot up
[00:49] <leftyfb> avantgardist: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:49] <TJ-> pete:  can it log-in to the user, does the flicker continue then?
[00:49] <pete> on screen section:  sda3 recovering journal....something like that
[00:50] <pete> but at /dev/sda3 clean, etc... it flickers constantly
[00:50] <pete> it doesn't get to the user?
[00:51] <TJ-> pete: Everything we saw in the chroot said it was OK once we matched the nvidia module version
[00:51] <TJ-> pete: are you in the Kubuntu OS again now?
[00:54] <dajova> howdy
[00:54] <pete> TJ-:  yes.... it's the only OS I can get a gui and use irc
[00:54] <pete> sda2 might work, too.... not sure
[00:55] <pete> I came across this although it might not apply....
[00:55] <pete> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705369
[00:55] <pete> It just seems gnome 3, ubuntu 17.10 and nvidia drivers are just one big mess that doesn't work?
[00:57] <Bashing-om> pete: TJ- Are you in the wayland session ? or Xorg for 17.10 install ?
[00:57] <pete> Xorg
[00:57] <pete> Wayland won't work
[00:58] <pete> maybe I should remove the 384 driver and use 375?
[00:58] <pete> i dunno
[00:58] <pete> TJ-: I thought the logs showed I was using 384.111 in March or something?
[00:59] <TJ-> pete: nvidia-384.130 from the graphics-drivers PPA
[00:59] <TJ-> pete: shall we fire up the chroot again ?
[00:59] <pete> sure
[00:59] <TJ-> pete: I've just read that bug you linked; it's specific to a system with 2 GPUs. Does your PC have an integrated Intel GPU as well as the Nvidia GPU?
[01:01] <pete> pete: no
[01:02] <pete> TJ-: no
[01:02] <pete> TJ-:  I didn't mean to imply it matched my system
[01:02] <myraft> hey guys - having lots of problems with 16.04 LTS on desktop . Really slow to get updates and anything command line that fetches informations e.g. download Ruby gems.
[01:02] <TJ-> pete: let's get the chroot up again and check the logs
[01:02] <pete> I just think it might be something to do with nvidia and the ubuntu version?
[01:03] <pete> I have a nvidia card - GTX 750 - it was listed within the logs
[01:03] <myraft> seems like certs - because it times out when trying to contact rubygems.org
[01:03] <myraft> but works from browser
[01:03] <TJ-> pete: "sudo mkdir /target; sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target"      then do "pastebinit <( tail -n 1500 /target/var/log/kern.log; cat /target/var/log/Xorg.*.log )"
[01:06] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tN4jxrcnBt/
[01:07] <wyseguy> looking to pick up a laptop, looking for a few recommendations. I've heard great things about the older thinkpads but would like a bit of newer technology. It will be a in the field work computer, I do IT work in data centers, on scissor lifts for wifi installations, curious about pen testing (not sure if i should run vm's for this or dual boot, and overall good laptop. I did try an xps 13 and walked away after 2 seconds when my thumb resting on
[01:07] <wyseguy>  the trackpad caused the mouse to go nuts. Ideas?
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> wyseguy, that is a question better asked in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:08] <wyseguy> pragmaticenigma ah thanks@
[01:08] <wyseguy> !*
[01:08] <wyseguy> and im happy for the tab key with your nick lol
[01:09] <TJ-> pete: what's your local time right now so I can correlate the last boot correctly
[01:09] <wyseguy> sry, figured it would be on topic as it's looking for an ubuntu laptop :)
[01:09] <myraft1> anyone who can help with "maybe" CERTS or resolv issue
[01:10] <myraft1> not sure what causing my command line to get ruby gems to timeout , and the ubuntu updates are really really slow
[01:10] <pete> TJ-:  9:10 pm = 21:10
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> wyseguy, this room is meant for support questions related to the operation of ubuntu. What you're asking is more of a conversational topic which is better suited for the offtopic room
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | myraft1
[01:11] <wyseguy> pragmaticenigma got it
[01:12] <TJ-> pete: the last Xorg log started at Fri Apr  6 20:46:24 2018 so that is about correct. kernel is still complaining about a version mismatch. The only way that could be happening is if a module has been left behind when it should have been removed so we need to search
[01:13] <TJ-> pete: so... "pastebinit <( find /target/lib/modules/ -name 'nvidia*' -ls )"
[01:13] <jsclimb> can anyone help me delete a user name, I'm using 16.04
[01:13] <konimex> jsclimb: userdel?
[01:14] <kliwon> jsclimb, userdel usernametobedelete
[01:14] <jsclimb> that's not working
[01:14] <myraft1> @pragmaticenigma: will wait
[01:14] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kgYfs3Qczb/
[01:14] <konimex> did you use sudo?
[01:15] <jsclimb> konimex, I tried, but I'm not very terminal literate...
[01:16] <konimex> ah.. i forgot about the gui way but it should be somewhere in user accounts in system settings
[01:18] <jsclimb> when I try "sudo userdel nametobedeleted" it asks for my password, then it says "sorry try again" and I go round and round
[01:18] <V7> Hey all
[01:18] <V7> An issue with touchpad still exists
[01:18] <V7> The question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1022648/suddenly-touchpad-of-x201-has-just-stopped-working
[01:18] <pete> TJ-:  what about the purge nvidia command?  I think maybe purge all nvidia stuff ...and re-install ?   I can't think of any other idea...
[01:18] <TJ-> pete: I think we need to cause DKMS to rebuild/reinstall the nvidia-384.ko module and supporting bits. I suspect the wrong minor version is still installed. Let's check that first. "pastebinit <( modinfo /target/lib/modules/4.13.0-38-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_384.ko )"
[01:18] <pete> TJ-:  I'm not sure of the right syntax for that, though
[01:18] <jsclimb> lol my new gf is sick of seeing the old gf's name.... I'm screwed :)
[01:18] <TJ-> pete: that's a sledgehammer to crack a nut!
[01:19] <V7> I've already asked #kde and #kde-neon, but they say this is not #kde related. Strange.
[01:19] <V7> Also I've asked the question on their forum, but after 1 day, no reply. Also, as you could see, the stack's overflow, 5 hours, no reply, too.
[01:19] <V7> Could anyone help with this one.
[01:19] <jsclimb> started in settings/user accounts, couldn't do it there either
[01:19] <pete> TJ-: okay :)
[01:19] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4w8YKT8qGD/
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> V7, cross posting is against our community guidelines
[01:20] <V7> pragmaticenigma: This is not crossposting
[01:20] <jsclimb> konimex, thanks for your advise, though
[01:20] <V7> #linux has different converation right now and I've waited about 10 minutes
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> V7, you just said you posted in several different channels. You will need to be patient and wait your turn for someone to help.
[01:21] <TJ-> pete: are you 100% sure you're booting sda3? The kernel module there is the correct one: "version:        384.130"
[01:21] <V7> pragmaticenigma: what ?
[01:21] <V7> pragmaticenigma: Do you know how to help ??
[01:21] <TJ-> pete: but the kernel log is full of "NVRM: this kernel module has the version 384.111"
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> V7, KDE is correct, it's not an issue with the KDE/Plasma, It's your X server configuration that has an issue. I do not know how to fix ut
[01:22] <V7> So, the xorg suddenly broke itself ?
[01:22] <V7> The magic ?
[01:22] <jsclimb> gawd I'm dumb... I got it, in the settings gui...... there's a + and - sign I was too dull to see
[01:23] <TJ-> pete: Oh! it's not booting the latest kernel!! Maybe the older kernel has the older module. What does this show? "pastebinit <( modinfo /target/lib/modules/4.13.0-32-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_384.ko ) "
[01:23] <pete> TJ-:  the blinking screen stops at sda3: clean, etc. etc.
[01:23] <jsclimb> you people are awesome, I dunno what I'd do without y'all
[01:24] <TJ-> pete: the system should always boot the most recent kernel by default, so we need to investigate why that isn't happening, and fix it.
[01:24] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2yXQSTJGkN/
[01:25] <TJ-> pete: that's also .130 ! Something is really screwy here, I really don't think we are looking at the correct root file-system!
[01:26] <TJ-> pete: the logs say we are but that kernel log is lying big style
[01:26] <myraft_> so hate to bug folks -
[01:26] <myraft_> any takers on slow resolve or CERT issue
[01:26] <myraft_> Not sure what is causing super slow down ?
[01:27] <pete> TJ-:  I'm confused then
[01:27] <TJ-> pete: more info to collect: "pastebinit <( modinfo /target/lib/modules/4.13.0-32-generic/updates/dkms/*.ko )"
[01:27] <pete> TJ-:  maybe grub didn't update?   so, it didn't load the right kernel?
[01:28] <TJ-> pete: I'm trying to find anything kernel-nvidia related that claims to be version .111
[01:28] <V7> pragmaticenigma: So, you just recommend reinstall the whole system ?
[01:28] <TJ-> pete: could be, but the module versions so far are correct
[01:28] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xt9CBbd44Y/
[01:29] <pete> TJ-:  I honestly thought you were doing that :)
[01:29] <TJ-> pete: only the primary modules, there are some supporting modules that /might/ be out of step
[01:31] <TJ-> pete: those are all 384.130 which is what we want
[01:33] <pete> how do i run commands for sda3?
[01:38] <TJ-> pete: we are on sda3
[01:39] <TJ-> pete: let's create the chroot so we can check all the packages. "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[01:39] <pete> I tried the command:  dmesg | grep NVRM
[01:39] <weedoe> can someone please help me with ubuntu 17.10 crashing?
[01:39] <pete> TJ-:  but, it gave output for sda6
[01:40] <TJ-> pete: yes, of course. dmesg reads the current running kernel's log from memory
[01:41] <pete> I ran that in quotes
[01:41] <pete> TJ-: ?
[01:43] <TJ-> pete: OK, so now "sudo chroot /target"
[01:44] <pete> TJ-: done...
[01:44] <TJ-> pete: then "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/vmlinuz* /boot/initrd.img*; df -h; cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg; apt list --installed '*nvidia*' )"
[01:45] <TJ-> pete: you've got the "#" shell prompt now I hope?
[01:45] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FdxvzNvgRQ/
[01:45] <pete> TJ-: yep
[01:46] <endersending> Anyone use osnexus (quantastor)
[01:47] <endersending> It's been a PITA to use, zpool renames, pools always busy so you can't unmount
[01:47] <fishcooker> i have issue with crappy F5 button ... i solve the problem with $ xmodmap -e 'keycode 71='... should i create service systemd for disabling the button input after the box up and running?
[01:47] <TJ-> pete: .... when you boot do access a GRUB boot menu to select which OS to boot, or does it boot the default?
[01:47] <endersending> Is it worth using for the pretty UI, or should I just stick to a normal distro and roll my own storage server
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, do you have a support question related to Ubuntu?
[01:48] <pete> TJ-:  goes to grub boot menu but if I don't choose a selection, it boots the default
[01:49] <pete> TJ-:  I think that is
[01:49] <pete> the default is sda2
[01:49] <TJ-> pete: then it isn't using the GRUB I'm looking at
[01:49] <endersending> Osnexus is based on ubuntu
[01:49] <TJ-> pete: so the boot entry it's using is from some other install
[01:49] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, but it is not Ubuntu... we do not support derived distros here. Only Ubuntu's official version are supported.
[01:50] <TJ-> pete: This explains everything!
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, just as the debian channel will tell you they do not support Ubuntu, even though Ubuntu is derived from Debian
[01:50] <pete> TJ-:  that's good if you know :)
[01:50] <endersending> Or is this like every other channel where the OPs tell you to move along because if it's not supported by X, you can't ask here
[01:50] <pete> grub still confuses me :-/
[01:51] <TJ-> pete: the booted kernel is reported as "Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-32-generic" but the latest version is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:51] <endersending> So if I re compile my kernel is it no longer supported?
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, You're welcome to ask the question in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:51] <pete> TJ-: oh
[01:51] <endersending> Why can he talk about grub ?
[01:51] <TJ-> pete: so because you've got multiple Linux OS installed, another of them has taken over the boot-time selection
[01:51] <endersending> Shouldn't he ask in #grub?
[01:52] <TJ-> pete: so whilst this one is fine, the actual boot files are somewhere else!
[01:52] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, this is a support channel, do you have a question about Ubuntu? if not, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:52] <pete> TJ-: okay...so this is easy to fix?
[01:53] <TJ-> pete: and that other version is loading nvidia-384.111 but when it gets into the 17.10 root file-system, where we have installed the nvidia-384.130 packages, we get this error
[01:53] <TJ-> pete: it should be now I know what's going on!
[01:53] <pete> TJ-:  I think it's when I upgrade the OS and/or the kernel.... I am confused where to install grub
[01:53] <pete> where to update it
[01:53] <TJ-> pete: 1st we find which OS's GRUB is the master, then we find the files being used, then we figure out how to keep it in sync
[01:54] <pete> TJ-:  my guess is sda2 OS
[01:54] <TJ-> pete: each Linux OS has it's own GRUB files in its root file-system, but there's only one GRUB boot-strap on the MBR disk format, so I'm guessing that the last Linux OS you installed is the one that is 'master'
[01:55] <pete> TJ-: really?
[01:55] <pete> Oh ok
[01:55] <TJ-> pete: was sda2 the last one, or sda6 ?
[01:55] <pete> sda6, I think
[01:55] <pete> sda2 was the first one after windows
[01:55] <TJ-> pete: we best check. "exit" to leave the chroot
[01:55] <pete> done
[01:56] <pete> 'each Linux OS has it's own GRUB files in its root file-system' - I knew this
[01:56] <TJ-> pete: then "pastebinit <( apt list --installed linux-image* *nvidia* ; ls -latr /boot/ )"
[01:56] <pete> TJ-:  but, I always pause when asked to update /install grub in mbr or the partition
[01:56] <TJ-> pete: but only one can be master, so the other 2 will be out of date :)
[01:57] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DySWwgxwPq/
[01:57]  * TJ- needs another string drink ... it's almost 3am here!
[01:59] <pete> TJ-: sda6?
[01:59] <pete> TJ-:  can I ask where's there? :)
[01:59] <pete> TJ-:  do you drink coffee? :)
[02:00] <TJ-> pete: England. Coffee early, Tea later :)
[02:00] <pete> TJ-: good choice(s) :)
[02:01] <TJ-> pete: need to see the grub config: "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[02:01] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wGBf9H2Wz8/
[02:05] <TJ-> pete: I almost thought that was it but it doesn't have 4.13.0-32 on it! So on we go: "pastebinit /target/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[02:07] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gp7z376ZC8/
[02:08] <TJ-> pete: when you boot 17.10 do you select from GRUB the entry "Ubuntu 17.10 (17.10) (on /dev/sdb3)"
[02:08] <pete> TJ-: I didn't think so
[02:08] <pete> this is confusing :(
[02:09] <pete> TJ-:  I have to remember now :-/
[02:09] <pete> TJ-:  I choose sda3
[02:09] <TJ-> pete: we've not found the correct grub.cfg so far! so: "sudo mkdir /target_sda2; sudo mount /dev/sda2 /target_sdsa2"
[02:09] <pete> It was originally 17.04 and I upgraded it to 17.10
[02:10] <TJ-> pete: then lets look at " pastebinit /target_sda2/boot/grub/grub.cfg "
[02:12] <pete> TJ-: -> Unable to read from: /target_sda2/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:12] <TJ-> pete: damn, typo in the first command, let'sredo it
[02:12] <TJ-> pete: damn, typo in the first command, let's redo it: "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /target_sda2"
[02:12] <TJ-> pete: then you can do the pastebinit
[02:13] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wSbFSqJmy7/
[02:15] <TJ-> pete: Finally! We found it, it is sda2 that's the master
[02:15] <pete> TJ-:  I think that is what I see in the menu
[02:16] <TJ-> pete:  menuentry 'Ubuntu 17.10 (17.10) (on /dev/sda3)'
[02:16] <pete> TJ-:  yeah
[02:16] <TJ-> pete: right.... which one of the se 3 is going to be your primary OS ?
[02:16] <TJ-> pete: whichever it is we need to set it to control the master GRUB
[02:17] <TJ-> pete: if it's 17.10 sda3 then we need to use it to reinstall GRUB so it takes over control and keeps up to date
[02:18] <pete> TJ-: it is now....  I have kept that OS up to date the most.... installed the most programs on it etc.
[02:18] <pete> sda2 was the original - I didn't want to mess it up so I started using other partitions/operating systems
[02:18] <TJ-> pete: so, shall we set it as master so it doesn't suffer? otherwise every time you have a kernel update in 17.10 sda3, you'll have to reboot into sda2 and run update-grub!
[02:19] <pete> TJ-:  that sounds familiar ... I think I was doing that...maybe I forgot the last time?
[02:19] <pete> TJ-:  I'll do whatever you suggest :)  whatever makes the most sense :)
[02:19] <TJ-> pete: right. but if sda3 is your workhorse let's make it master!
[02:19] <pete> TJ-:  okay
[02:20] <TJ-> pete: so "sudo umount /target_sda2"
[02:20] <TJ-> pete: then bakc into the chroot: "sudo chroot /target"
[02:20] <TJ-> pete: then (re)install grub: "grub-install /dev/sda; update-grub"
[02:22] <pete> TJ-: okay
[02:22] <TJ-> pete: and from now on, when the PC boots, the first entry on the GRUB menu - the top-most - will be this 17.10 on sda3 - so it will automatically start it after the countdown without you needing to do anythin
[02:22] <TJ-> pete: sda2 and sda6 will be additional entries further down
[02:22] <pete> TJ-:  sounds good
[02:22] <pete> makes sense
[02:22] <TJ-> pete: OK, if those commands have finished we can unwind everything again
[02:23] <pete> TJ-:  the output finished
[02:23] <pete> TJ-:  ready
[02:23] <TJ-> pete: "exit" then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount /target/$n; done"
[02:23] <TJ-> pete: "sudo umount /target"
[02:24] <pete> TJ-: okay - at prompt
[02:24] <TJ-> pete: "sudo rmdir /target_sda2 /target"
[02:24] <Bashing-om> TJ-: pete : As a matter of practice I disable  30_os-prober in my secondary systems .
[02:24] <TJ-> Bashing-om: yeah, that's for another day I think :)
[02:25] <TJ-> pete: and now - and it will work this time - reboot and test :P
[02:25] <pete> TJ-: okay :)
[02:26] <TJ-> Bashing-om: for a report of flickering screen this has been one heck of a diversion and run-around :)
[02:27] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I have been looking over your shoulder - All I can say is Good Sluething :)
[02:28] <TJ-> Bashing-om: thank goodness for logs and text configs - I hate to think of diagnosing something like this in something like Windows
[02:28] <Budgii> anyone use vbox
[02:28] <TJ-> especially remotely... without pastebinit diagnosing this kind of issue would be all but impossible
[02:28] <Budgii> send me a dialogue if so. :)
[02:31] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I tell you the truth - I do not like Windows ( proprietary info and we will not tell you ), I came to linux as open source and no secrets; and YES - we have the tools to work with :P
[02:32] <TJ-> Bashing-om: same here, I wasted far too much of my life trying to reverse engineer Windows bugs, but even if I could identify them, I had no way to fix - Linux is such a joy: find a bug, pull the source, patch, rebuild and done
[02:32] <pete> TJ-, yay! :)
[02:32] <TJ-> pete: :D
[02:32] <TJ-> pete: finally!! I can go to bed for a year now :p
[02:32] <pete> TJ-,  you are an admin wizard... I don't know what I would have done :)
[02:33] <pete> TJ-, lol!
[02:33] <TJ-> pete: as I was just saying to Bashing-om ... thank goodness for text logs and configs and verbose logging
[02:34] <pete> TJ-,  yes
[02:34] <pete> TJ-, I need to learn more commands
[02:34] <Bashing-om> pete: ( and knowing what to read .. and how to read ... huh ?? )
[02:35] <TJ-> pete:  if you are going to experiment do it inside a virtual machine or a container, so you don't break the host OS
[02:35] <pete> Bashing-om, yes, I think so
[02:35] <pete> TJ-, what do you suggest?  Virtual Box?  VMWare?
[02:35] <TJ-> LXD containers are fast to create and easy to work in
[02:36] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, please ask your question in the main channel. It will help others benefit from the support you receive.
[02:36] <pete> TJ-, I'll have to try that
[02:36] <Budgii> pragmaticenigma, Just looking for the full screen option in virtualbox.. not sure it was appropriate here. :)\
[02:36] <TJ-> pete: "apt install lxd"  "lxc launch ubuntu:1804 mycontainername" then "lxc exec mycontainername /bin/bash"  ... you're now inside a full 18.04 'server' CLI just like the chroot earlier
[02:37] <Budgii> #vbox is dead atm
[02:37] <TJ-> oh, another typo
[02:37] <pete> Thank goodness I found TJ on here :)   I googled but no way I would have figured that one out
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, are you looking for a keyboard shortcut?
[02:37] <TJ-> pete: "apt install lxd"  "lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 mycontainername" then "lxc exec mycontainername /bin/bash"  ... you're now inside a full 18.04 'server' CLI just like the chroot earlier
[02:37] <Budgii> anything works
[02:37] <pete> Budgii, really?
[02:37] <Budgii> I just can't find seetings pragmaticenigma
[02:37] <pete> I didn't know that
[02:38] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, Host + F toggles full screen
[02:38] <Budgii> pragmaticenigma, thanks!
[02:42] <TJ-> g'night
[02:43] <pete> TJ-, good night and thanks again!
[02:43] <leftyfb> Budgii: I typed "virtualbox fullscreen" into google and the first result gave the same answer pragmaticenigma gave
[02:47] <Bashing-om> pete: Still keep in mind a good idea - in my opinion -  to disable 30_os-prober on your secondaries ' sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober  ' when booted into the secondary .
[02:49] <V7> Does anyone know how to change this feature when physical left click button works only when touchpad is being touched at the same moment with a different finger ?
[02:49] <V7> It just doesn't act left click without other finger on touchpad
[02:49] <cluelessperson> hey guys, for IPV6 wtf are these options,  "Automatic" "Automatic (addresses only)" and "Automatic (DHCP)"
[02:49] <cluelessperson> are any of those SLAAC?
[02:54] <CMEE_fie> Hello, I'm having a little trouble testing lubuntu 18.04 beta2, i thought asking here since there's more people and the issue doesn't seem to be specific of lubuntu
[02:55] <slidinghorn> CMEE_fie check out #ubuntu+1 :)
[02:55] <Menzador> V7 - is the touchpad the only built-in device there is for that sort of input?
[02:55] <CMEE_fie> basically i have two hdd, a toshiba formated with GPT and a WB formated with MBR
[02:55] <Bashing-om> !18.04 | CMEE_fie
[02:55] <CMEE_fie> so no support yet?
[02:56] <Bashing-om> CMEE_fie: support in #ubuntu+1 :)
[02:56] <CMEE_fie> the issue seem related to systemd in general, but im not sure
[02:56] <V7> Menzador: Looks like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/U69Xp.png
[02:56] <CMEE_fie> oh, thanks
[02:56] <V7> So it has a trackball too
[02:56] <Menzador> Trackball? That looks like a pointing stick
[02:56] <Menzador> I have a Lenovo ThinkPad myself
[02:57] <V7> They call it like a trackball, aren't they ?
[02:58] <Menzador> No, a trackball is a physical ball that you roll around, viz.: https://d107iaxg6vni3j.cloudfront.net/mbank270444_w1400_h1400.jpg
[02:59] <V7> Menzador: https://www.google.ru/search?q=trackball+thinkpad&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2vZLilafaAhUJDOwKHVgUD2UQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=705
[03:00] <V7> Btw, you're right mb
[03:00] <Menzador> Trackballs work in a similar way, but this is a pointing stick, sometimes called a nipple
[03:00] <Menzador> anyway
[03:00] <V7> So, although might be any idea why it could act like that ?
[03:01]  * V7 (really, nipple ...?)
[03:02] <Menzador> V7 - I'm not sure, but it might have to do with the way the touchpad is detected. What model of machine is this?
[03:02] <V7> Also, interesting that left button above touchpad works without any other finger, but above button ( left ) work only with other finger on touchpad
[03:05] <Menzador> V7 - you didn't answer my question... what model?
[03:06] <V7> x201
[03:07] <V7> Sorry, I didn't see the question
[03:22] <V7> Any ideas :) ?
[03:23] <Menzador> V7 - try disabling and re-enabling the touchpad if you can?
[03:23] <V7> Menzador: Did with FN+F8 x2 and the same
[03:24] <Menzador> V7 - Alright, then did you try "turning the whole machine off and on again"?
[03:25] <V7> I'll try right now
[03:25] <V7> Uh, can't right now. Some work is in proces.
[03:25] <V7> process *
[03:25] <V7> About 5~10 mins maybe
[03:32] <mooncakehexchat> much love ubuntu worker/helper bees
[03:33] <CMEE_fie> is there any iso image for ubuntu that doesn't weight more than 250mb? (preferably way less than that). I dont mind text mode
[03:33] <littlebear> CMEE_fie, archlinux is around 300mb, but it's now bloated i think
[03:34] <Bashing-om> !minimal | CMEE_fie
[03:35] <CMEE_fie> great only 58MB. thanks again Bashing-om
[03:36] <Bashing-om> CMEE_fie: NP .. we aim to help . minimal has a learning curve be aware !
[03:36] <CMEE_fie> Bashing-om thanks but i've installed gentoo, this can't be worse
[03:37] <myraft_> @bashing-om:  I need some help
[03:37] <Bashing-om> CMEE_fie: Ir is what you do not know that will bite you ( finding out that "you" have to install- anacron for instance ).
[03:37] <myraft_> My Ubuntu has super slow updates. I am not sure if it is  resolve or CERT issue
[03:38] <Bashing-om> myraft_: Saw your posts earlier . Not to hot myself on networking issues .
[03:38] <myraft_> aye
[03:39] <myraft_> @bashing-om : thanks nevertheless.
[04:03] <zerorax> Hey guys
[04:05] <zerorax> Anyone have experience rolling your own ubuntu variant?
[04:06] <zerorax> I'm doing it to learn how right now, need to do it later for serious for a job
[04:06] <zerorax> Any tips?
[04:09] <NERD-k> Emmm, how to set system font size in the system setting
[04:10] <NERD-k> My computer is 1920*1080 screen, the time display is so small
[04:12] <wyseguy_> time isnt important
[04:13] <wyseguy_> not sure, not in front of an ubuntu desktop
[04:14] <slidinghorn> NERD-k give gnome tweak tool a look    sudo apt install gnome-tweak-tool
[04:14] <NERD-k> OOOK, use TUI
[04:15] <NERD-k> GUI no more
[04:25] <paddy_> Ubuntu recognised my HDMI (and monitor) but doesn't have an output. I've tried all the HDMIs in my house but it still doesn't work
[04:25] <paddy_> How can I fix this?
[04:30] <Kharma> Are you using the volume control panel?
[04:31] <Kharma> Pulse is annoying AF for configuring auto.. no plug and play, on mine anyways
[04:31] <Kharma> audio* = auto
[04:33] <Kharma> paddy_:  ^^
[04:34] <paddy_> Oh lol, no, I do have volume control panel
[04:34] <paddy_> @Kharma
[04:34] <Kharma> paddy_:  right click icon in notification panel, open volume control
[04:35] <Kharma> paddy_:  check through all those tab settings at the top.. get used to that annoyance of a thing lol
[04:36] <Kharma> Also, hover over, hover playback, follow the path. make sure you have audio playing***
[04:36] <paddy_> Oh sorry, output as in video
[04:36] <Kharma> paddy_:  Hard to explain since it's so natural for me now. However as a lover of music, I despise these audio settings
[04:37] <Kharma> paddy_: If you don't have audio playing it might be hard for you to change a settting just FYI
[04:40] <paddy_> Problem: I have my HDMI monitor plugged in and in Settings > Screen Display The Viewsonic HDMI monitor is there. Enabling the Monitor does not produce an output both video and audio. I've used all the HDMI cables in my house so it seems that it's an issue with my Ubuntu install
[04:41] <Kharma> Iswitch between HDMI output, speakers, headphone that are wirded, as well as bluetooth devices multiple times a day for music. EACH. TIME... I have to adjust volume control serttings to get the outputo working right
[04:41] <Kharma> Oh no video either? try mirroring?
[04:41] <Kharma> mirroring*
[04:42] <Kharma> paddy_:  to test try kicking it with mirroring, as well set as primary. See what happen if any
[04:42] <paddy_> The monitor is on and I got an error "failed to apply configuration: %s Timeout was reached"
[04:42] <paddy_> when doing mirroring
[04:43] <paddy_> primary doesn't work either
[04:43] <paddy_> I'm thinking it's a graphics card issue on my laptop but I don't know how to debug that
[04:44] <Kharma> Ok. And you know your cord and the monitor work when plugged to other outputs?
[04:44] <untoreh> how do you use zfs with downstream kernels like xanmod? just install zfs-dkms ?
[04:44] <paddy_> yes, this cord works on my ps3 to the same monitor and I've tried the other HDMIs in the house (5 total) all work on their respective device
[04:45] <paddy_> but not on this laptop
[04:47] <Kharma> paddy_:  I am still learning my way around Linux, I'm going to look at some things.. I thought your vid was working but lacked audio when you first asked, This is different.
[04:47] <paddy_> yeah sure. All good, thanks
[04:47] <Kharma> The laptop port has never worked? or this your first time trying I guesss
[04:48] <paddy_> It used to when I used it (like 5 years ago with windows 7)
[04:48] <paddy_> but pulled it out from storage and doesn't work now
[04:50] <Kharma> Are you using Xfce? if so
[04:50] <Kharma> while we wait.. do.. cat ~/.xsession.errors | pastebinit
[04:50] <Kharma> and post link here so I caan see further
[04:51] <rud0lf> it's .xsession-errors
[04:51] <Kharma> thank you. no idea why it did that
[04:51] <Kharma> cat your xsession to pastebinit\
[04:51] <paddy_> https://pastebin.com/pK4x6scS
[04:51] <paddy_> Unity I think since
[04:57] <Kharma> paddy_:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1986131   read some suggestions here, you may just need to update drivers too
[04:57] <Kharma> I will keep looking for something more specific to your case paddy_
[04:59] <Kharma> paddy_:  when you plug in the cord, either screen flicker or anything?
[05:01] <paddy_> Nothing flickers, I might try updating drviers. How do I tell what graphics driver I have?
[05:01] <Kharma> laptop model is?
[05:02] <paddy_> Asus u36 Nvidia 610m
[05:02] <paddy_> is there a command to say which ver of drivers I'm at
[05:02] <Kharma> I was just.. going to look
[05:02] <paddy_> ah
[05:02] <Kharma> lol.. new to linux Im not trained to think CLI automatically.
[05:03] <Kharma> I love CLI though..
[05:03] <Kharma> paddy_:  https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwixiPu9safaAhUSQq0KHQosBM0QFgg2MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D941208&usg=AOvVaw3vrzODGteFwfTzI2MJgWj1
[05:04] <Kharma> Sorry wow. I fail. someone save me
[05:04] <Kharma> fglrxinfo
[05:04] <Bashing-om> paddy_: ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' is one way .
[05:05] <Kharma> paddy_:  another way is sudo lshw -c display
[05:08] <paddy_> lsmod | grep nvidia produced nothing wonder if that means I don't have drivers
[05:09] <Kharma> paddy_:  try sudo lshw -c display    (maybe no nvidia driver is my assumption on that^)
[05:11] <paddy_> https://pastebin.com/TrKW6drd
[05:12] <icliniq> edfdfgdfgd
[05:12] <icliniq> df
[05:12] <icliniq> df
[05:13] <Bashing-om> paddy_: Uh huh .. ya running the nouveau driver vice nvidia :)
[05:13] <paddy_> ah I see that.
[05:13] <paddy_> I don't mind closed software. Should I install the official drivers
[05:14] <paddy_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/481414/install-nvidia-driver-instead-of-nouveau
[05:15] <paddy_> is there anything I should know before doing this?
[05:15] <Bashing-om> paddy_: Happy with nouveau .. leave well enough alone .. running the wayland DE ??-- there are still wrinkles to work out with the nvidia driver .
[05:17] <Bashing-om> paddy_: NO do not do that ! Things have changed .
[05:17] <paddy_> okay
[05:17] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-current xenial
[05:18] <Kharma> https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/55125 paddy_  I am not liable
[05:18] <Bashing-om> paddy_: What release are you running ?
[05:18] <paddy_> 16.04 LTS
[05:20] <Guest1821> Nuevo aca
[05:23] <Bashing-om> paddy_: I am CLI minded ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' If ya want the nvidia driver .
[05:23] <paddy_> nouveau or proprietary?
[05:24] <Guest1821> Hola
[05:25] <Bashing-om> paddy_: your choice I run 384 in 16.04 verry happy .. I run nouveau in 18.04 verry happy .
[05:28] <slidinghorn> Bashing-om if one is going to be doing heavy gaming, is it advisable to use Nvidia over the OS driver?  I would assume that's one spot were going with the manufacturer is preferable
[05:28] <paddy_> Bashing-om: Sorry, if I do the sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall will that install open or closed source drivers?
[05:28] <slidinghorn> paddy_ that's for the closed/proprietary
[05:28] <paddy_> thank you.
[05:29] <Bashing-om> paddy_: that will install the proprietary nvidia driver ,, as the system chooses .. generally the latest .. autoinstall is real smart !
[05:38] <miami2> hi.
[05:39] <miami2> can i upgrade ubuntu 18.04 beta 2 to final release without reinstalling new iso?
[05:39] <Ben64> yes
[05:40] <miami2> how? thanks for help.
[05:40] <Ben64> same way as normal updates
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !final | miami2
[05:42] <miami2> ok.thanks again.
[05:59] <V7> Menzador: rebooting helped
[05:59] <V7> Why ?
[06:06] <insane> Que onda
[06:06] <insane> ¿Esto que es?
[06:06] <insane> ¿Alguien por aqui?
[06:06] <Bashing-om> !es | insane
[06:06] <T-BruceLee> hello, I'm trying to install grub2 bootloader for an older PC onto a floppy disk - which it says it can do, but it keeps failing. can anybody help?
[06:06] <paddy_> given up on the hdmi doesn't seem to be working on the windows partition too so probably a problem with the laptop itself
[06:07] <paddy_> How can I see what buttons are being pushed at a time: I have a xbox one controller that works through bluetooth but when I play stardew valley it keeps scrolling through the inventory
[06:08] <paddy_> want to know if it's a gamepad compatibility issue or just there's a stuck button on the xbox controller
[06:27] <T-BruceLee> how can I install grub to a floppy disk? it's in the installation
[07:53] <s10gopal> system dont enter in grub ,tried bressing f11 and also tried shift method , it is happening after installing custom build kernel
[07:56] <s10gopal> how i can get the details which were printed on my terminl ( system is restarted )
[07:56] <rud0lf> when i enable ufw ($ ufw enable) is it persistent between reboots?
[07:59] <ctc94> hi
[08:00] <ctc94> hi
[08:05] <ducasse> ctc94: hi, do you have an ubuntu question?
[08:05] <s10gopal> ducasse, how to enter to grub ?
[08:06] <slidinghorn> rud0lf - if I'm reading correctly, yes, it should be persistent
[08:06] <ctc94> hi'
[08:07] <alexneudatchin> s10gopal:install grub and reboot
[08:08] <s10gopal> alexneudatchin, grub is already installed , it comes defatut in ubuntu right ?
[08:08] <alexneudatchin> yea
[08:08] <s10gopal> then why it is needed to installed again ?
[08:11] <alexneudatchin> on livedvd default is syslinux
[08:14] <NDx33xsy> hhello
[08:15] <alexneudatchin> if it isn't removed then reboot
[08:45] <Alto> ...
[08:45] <Alto> Testing 123 123 123
[08:45] <Alto> ...
[08:45] <Allanis> Test complete... Successfull.
[08:45] <Alto> Yey!
[08:49] <Skaface82> uh hi
[08:50] <Skaface82> wow I haven't used IRC for like 15 years
[08:50] <Allanis> Welcome back.
[08:51] <Skaface82> thanks :-)
[08:51] <Allanis> We missed you
[08:51] <Skaface82> I thought you would
[08:51] <Allanis> :)
[08:52] <Skaface82> i used to use xchat, but now im using xchat-gnome. I think im getting lazy as I get older
[08:52] <Skaface82> oh no irssi i mean
[08:53] <Allanis> Irssi is the client I use too. Except now, I'm just on my phone.
[08:54] <Allanis> But meh, bouncer. I can connect anywhere anytime any client. Is nice
[08:54] <Skaface82> oh yeah i used to use something like that
[08:55] <Woodpecker> hey all, trying to connect to http://localhost:10011/cb but its giving me connection refused.
[08:55] <Woodpecker> this doesnt usually happen to me. Can anyone else click and see if it works for them?
[08:55] <Skaface82> yeah it was always connected and i would connect to it from my irc client. forgot about that till now
[09:00] <Guest156> HI have a proble after doing a partial upgrade on ubuntu 16.04 have ablank screen how can I rollback before doing the upgrade?
[09:00] <Skaface82> why a partial upgrade? can you finish it?
[09:01] <Guest156> I went to to do a update and it would not allow me to said I had to do a partial upgrade
[09:02] <Guest156> it went throught all the processes then asked to retstart now left with a blank screen
[09:03] <Guest156> also I have tried an early version in the advance grub menu still the same blank screen
[09:04] <Guest156> so how can I roll back to what it was before the upgrade?
[09:05] <Skaface82> im guessing that X isnt starting? see if you can get to a shell? i think its ctrl+alt+F1
[09:06] <Guest156> ok then what
[09:06] <Skaface82> did that work?
[09:07] <Skaface82> you should see a login prompt?
[09:08] <Guest156> i can get into a root shell in advance mode
[09:09] <Skaface82> have you tried manually updating?   apt-get update       apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:09] <Skaface82> ?
[09:09] <Guest156> i.e. recovery mode
[09:10] <EriC^> Guest156: are you able to get grub at all?
[09:11] <Guest156> just trying
[09:11] <EriC^> try holding shift when the pc boots
[09:14] <Guest156>  i am in the recovery mode
[09:15] <EriC^> Guest156: try "start networking"
[09:15] <Guest156> and can get into the root shell i have a wired connection to my router
[09:15] <EriC^> ok, start networking then drop to root shell
[09:16] <Guest156> ok
[09:17] <EriC^> Guest156: try "dpkg --configure -a && apt-get -f install"
[09:18] <Guest156> ok i have started network and now droped into root shell
[09:20] <Guest156> ok done that last command
[09:21] <EriC^^> Guest156: did it do anything?
[09:21] <Guest156> said 0 to upgrade 0 to nely install 0 to remove and 1 not to upgrade
[09:22] <Guest156> it had a lot of failures on the txt when running the command
[09:22] <EriC^^> Guest156: what failures?
[09:23] <EriC^^> Guest156: try "dpkg --configure -a | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link
[09:23] <EriC^^> Guest156: try "dpkg --configure -a 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link
[09:23] <Guest156> past to  where?
[09:24] <Guest156> can i just revert back to before I done the upgrade - roll back?
[09:26] <EriC^^> Guest156: it'll give you a link back with the paste, copy the link here
[09:26] <EriC^^> Guest156: no, there's no easy way to revert back, you have to manually do it
[09:26] <Guest156> how can i do that since i am on a different computer?
[09:27] <Guest156> to the one thats got the problem
[09:27] <Skaface82> would you be better off running the installer again from an up to date install cd?
[09:29] <EriC^^> Guest156: the termbin.com command will give you a link such as termbin.com/1234
[09:29] <EriC^^> just copy the /1234 here
[09:29] <Guest156> well it all workeed ok till trying to do a update forced me to do a partial upgrade it went through the process and afterwards ask to reboot to finish of the upgrade hence after that the blank screen of death!
[09:30] <EriC^^> Guest156: sounds like it's some graphics issue, try booting with "nomodeset" in grub and see which drivers to use or maybe a different kernel
[09:30] <EriC^^> Guest156: run the dpkg | termbin command though so we can see if the package manager is in a good state
[09:33] <Guest156> ok let me try the nomodset first
[09:34] <Guest156> i have got into the grub screen and pressed c
[09:34] <Guest156> and typed in nomodeset
[09:34] <Guest156> comes back cant find command
[09:35] <Skaface82> try   "linux nomodeset"
[09:35] <Skaface82> i could be completely wrong here
[09:35] <Guest156> comes back with invalid for linux nomodeset
[09:36] <Skaface82> hang on a sec
[09:36] <Skaface82> ok on the main boot selection for ubuntu, press e
[09:36] <Skaface82> then find the line that says      linux   sdkjfghsdfjkshdggsadfjkhsdkfhsdkljfh sdajfhsdfj sdhf
[09:37] <Guest156> ok
[09:37] <Skaface82> put nomodeset as an option after that
[09:37] <Skaface82> then ctrl+x
[09:38] <Guest156> how do i scroll up and down?
[09:39] <Skaface82> do the arrows not work?
[09:40] <Allanis> Pg up/dwn
[09:40] <Guest156> ok found how to do that trying to find the line
[09:40] <Allanis> If not try holding curl too
[09:40] <Allanis> Ctrl
[09:41] <Guest156> cant find that line
[09:41] <Skaface82> it will start with the word "linux"
[09:43] <Guest156> cant find anything just starting with linux
[09:44] <Guest156> or with sdkj.....
[09:45] <Skaface82> it should have a line starting with        linux /boot/vmlinux-
[09:45] <Skaface82>  /boot/vmlinuz i mean
[09:45] <Guest156> i think the problem was when the upgrade did not complete and whent to clean the system
[09:46] <Guest156> there are quite a few lines starting with that
[09:47] <Skaface82> https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[09:47] <Skaface82> have a look at that
[09:47] <Guest156> ok thanks
[09:47] <Skaface82> if you get stuck, try doing a google search.... im no linux expert but thats how I get by :-P
[09:48] <Guest156> im will use a bootable ubuntu usb
[09:48] <Guest156> and try and repair
[09:48] <Guest156> or reinstall on another partition
[09:49] <Skaface82> probably easiest way if you fairly new to linux is just to do a reinstall of the latest version
[09:49] <Guest156> i have had issues like this before with ubuntu when it try to do a partial upgrade on early versions clearly it very buggy
[09:50] <Skaface82> cause it seems like something has gone weird half way through an upgrade and im not sure how to help without seeing your computer lol
[09:50] <Guest156> i have been using ubuntu since the very first version came out
[09:50] <EriC^^> Guest156: in grub press 'e' then go down to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ....quiet splash and remove quiet splash and type nomodeset and press F10 to boot
[09:50] <Guest156> all i want to do is roll back the upgrade it can be done just how
[09:51] <Skaface82> you should upgrade if you can cause of the security fixes in the updates
[09:51] <Guest156> how do i edit that line?
[09:52] <EriC^^> ..
[09:52] <survey0r> edit it by pressing e like EriC^^ wrote ;)
[09:55] <Guest156> so with the line  .....ro quite splash &vt_handoff just remove quiet splash and replace with nomodeset ?
[09:55] <Guest156> is there only one line with quite splash ?
[09:56] <mlliee> Hello
[09:56] <mlliee> I've started a VPS today with 16.04, but it is kernel 2.6.x. I've downloaded a new one and installed the packages, but still the old one is booting. How to change?
[09:58] <EriC^^> Guest156: yes
[09:58] <vlt> mlliee: Can you describe how you "started" it? What host OS are you using?
[09:58] <EriC^^> mlliee: you can't, it depends on the provider, it means it's using a kernel that the VPS host is using, check their control panel settings if you can change it or contact them.
[09:59] <Guest156> then press f10 and reboot as normal?
[09:59] <EriC^^> Guest156: after you press F10 it'll just boot using the new settings
[09:59] <EriC^^> (just this one time)
[09:59] <mlliee> EriC^^: Damn it...
[10:00] <EriC^^> mlliee: they might have settings or they can do it for you, or a different VPS package that uses a different approach
[10:01] <mlliee> EriC^^: Didn't find anything. It's version 2.6 which doesn't support docker...
[10:03] <Guest156> pressing f10 takes me back to the grub listing in advance mode i.e. kernel version but does not reboot
[10:04] <Guest156> unless i select and press entry
[10:05] <Guest156> when I do still blank screen
[10:05] <EriC^^> Guest156: try Fn+F10
[10:06] <EriC^^> or ctrl+x
[10:06] <Guest156>  ok i will try but i dont think this will resolve anything
[10:10] <Guest156> still the same and editing the line with no splash is not persistence as it still appears when going back into the grub bash screen
[10:11] <Guest156> I think there is an issues with the kernel
[10:11] <Skaface82> sorry man without seeing your computer, all i can suggest is reinstalling
[10:12] <Skaface82> see if the newest live cd boots up
[10:12] <Skaface82> that way youll know if its a problem with the latest version, or with your install
[10:12] <Woodpecker> this doesnt usually happen to me. Can anyone else click and see if it works for them?
[10:12] <Guest156> ok when trying to boot as all the processes are loading he last line seams to hold the key
[10:12] <Woodpecker> hey all, trying to connect to http://localhost:10011/cb but its giving me connection refused.
[10:12] <Woodpecker> this doesnt usually happen to me. Can anyone else click and see if it works for them?
[10:15] <Fuchs> Woodpecker: localhost obviously won't work for people != you, since it is your local host.
[10:16] <Guest156> bash: 0: can't open while systemctl list-jobs | grep -v friendly-recovery | g rep -q running: do-sleep 0;2; done
[10:16] <Guest156> that where it stops
[10:16] <Woodpecker> Fuchs: I know that, but its not working for me.
[10:17] <EriC^^> Guest156: try booting an older kernel from advanced options in grub
[10:17] <Fuchs> is whatever process listens on that port running?  Check with  sudo netstat -taunp   and also maybe say _what_ should be listening there and if you get any errors.
[10:17] <Woodpecker> Fuchs: like I can go to localhost normal, but that localhost path is no longer working for me. Oh, good idea!
[10:17] <Guest156> I have still the same issue
[10:18] <Woodpecker> sudo: netstat: command not found
[10:18] <Guest156> well i will never trust a partial upgrade again
[10:19] <Guest156> its shit!
[10:19] <Woodpecker> i guess Ill just try a reboot
[10:19] <Woodpecker> brb
[10:19] <Skaface82> guest156: if it were me i would try booting the latest live cd to make sure its not a bug or something... then see if you can do a repair/upgrade from that cd
[10:19] <Guest156> god nows what meltedown and spectra will have lots of broken sustems
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> Guest156: please use polite language here
[10:20] <Guest156> that is being polite
[10:20] <Woodpecker> nope. Still not working
[10:21] <Guest156> just as bad as the windows blue screen of death the ubuntu blank screen of death thats not being polite!
[10:21] <Woodpecker> connection refused
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> Guest156: scroll up on your own text, see also !language & guidelines
[10:22] <AlexMao> Anyone running into issues ubiquity/installer crashing with the latest/final beta?
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> AlexMao: #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 please
[10:22] <Guest156> well nobody can fix the problem
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> Guest156: what problem
[10:23] <Guest156> i would sugget yyou scroll up your screen and see
[10:29] <Skaface82> guest156 we are just trying to help. be appreciative.. im just a person like you who uses linux
[10:29] <Skaface82> ive suggested what i would try
[10:29] <Skaface82> and you ignored me
[10:30] <s10gopal> in this command how to set custom version ? make -j `getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN` deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-custom
[10:30] <Guest156> i will use a live usb 16.04 to effect a repair
[10:30] <Skaface82> see if the live cd boots first and if it does, do a repair from it
[10:31] <mboard> hi all, I am trying to get my head around something with permissions.  I am attempting to create a php cli script for automating vhosts for apache and setting user permissions / symbolic links.  As the application is running from terminal and you would normally require root to setup new vhost files, is it standard to just run sudo php vhost.php?
[10:32] <Guest156> i have no problem in booting from the usb memory with a live boot version of 16.04 which boots and can boot in live mode or install - the partial upgrade broke a perfectly working sytem,
[10:34] <Guest156> so how do you do a repair using a live boot without reinstalling ?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub | Guest156
[10:35] <Guest156> ubotiu - just ubuntu 16.04 installed no windows
[10:36] <olbrook> hi all
[10:39] <olbrook> what is the name of this channel?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> !support | olbrook
[10:39] <olbrook> cheers
[10:46] <Rockwood> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-16-04  i am following this
[10:47] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jRwFKFTpqR/ why its showing non
[10:47] <Rockwood> tomreyn, o/
[10:50] <Rockwood> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K6543x3VQD/
[11:05] <tomreyn> Rockwood: hi, did you install it, yet?
[11:06] <Rockwood> yes
[11:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: how?
[11:06] <Rockwood> i am have installed many time but same error
[11:07] <tomreyn> Rockwood: what's the cvommand you ran to install it? the pastebin does not show this.
[11:07] <tomreyn> if you run "history" you get to see the last commands you ran
[11:08] <Rockwood> tomreyn, https://kopy.io/cA00s
[11:09] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you have not yet decided to trust the apt repository signing key of the docker-ce PPA, as such, the package was not installed
[11:10] <Rockwood> what should is do that that now ?
[11:10] <tomreyn> the first step of the how.to you're following is supposed to make your system trust it
[11:13] <tomreyn> Rockwood: actually i did not read properly. the cause of the problem is not that you did not import the gpg key into the apt key store, but that the repository is not signed with it.
[11:14] <tomreyn> see lines 44 ff at https://kopy.io/cA00s
[11:15] <tomreyn> not signing apt repository meta data is considered to be bad practice, so such repositories wont be used by default. you can probably override this if you really want to.
[11:15] <Rockwood> tomreyn, how to solve this ?
[11:16] <tomreyn> there is a general apt option of 'Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true'
[11:17] <Rockwood> where ?
[11:17] <Rockwood> in my ubuntu settings
[11:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: this could be used to ovverride the gpg check of *all* repositories. but that's a bad idea. the rigfht way to solve this is to have those who maintain the repository to sign it.
[11:18] <Rockwood> sign in
[11:18] <tomreyn> (and probably not to use this repository until this is ensured)
[11:19] <megaaaaa> hello! i need to install this library http://biopp.univ-montp2.fr/wiki/index.php/Installation on unix, therefore i dont understand the installation instructions on that webpage that says : Bio++ 2.3 packages (libbpp-core, libbpp-seq, etc.) are available in the Debian Testing repositories (and are subsequently transferred to Debian Stable and Ubuntu). They can be installed using your usual package/program manager.
[11:19] <s10gopal>  linux-firmware-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb   linux-headers-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb   linux-libc-dev_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb     linux-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb , i need to install these 4 files to install kernel ?
[11:22] <tomreyn> Rockwood: to make sure i am not talking nonsense, can you please show "dpkg -l docker-ce | grep docker-ce"?
[11:22] <NitinSharma> sure tomreyn
[11:22] <s10gopal> this file is also generated linux-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1.dsc
[11:23] <NitinSharma> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52CY98BVrv/
[11:24] <Rockwood> sorry internet problem so that why i have logging again
[11:25] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so i was wrong, apt currently still tolerates this situation, and only reported that it is bad practice, but the package was apparently installed.
[11:25] <Rockwood> tomreyn, output of dpkg -l docker-ce | grep docker-ce -->  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52CY98BVrv/
[11:25] <Rockwood> so just now login ?
[11:26] <tomreyn> Rockwood: does "apt-cache policy docker-ce" still say that it is not installed, thoughj??
[11:26] <s10gopal> where files are required to install to install kernel ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qS7QHt66k/
[11:27] <tomreyn> s10gopal: linux-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb contains the kernel
[11:27] <s10gopal> tomreyn, so only need to install 1 file ?
[11:27] <tomreyn> s10gopal: dpends on what your goals are. you may also want to install the other debs
[11:28] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CvcPkt95BY/
[11:28] <Rockwood> now its showing install i think
[11:28] <s10gopal> tomreyn,  i just want to install kernel build by me
[11:28] <tomreyn> Rockwood: right, so actually all is as expected. just go on with the how.to
[11:28] <s10gopal> doing git bijection https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[11:29] <tomreyn> s10gopal: do you mean git bisect?
[11:29] <s10gopal> tomreyn, yes
[11:29] <bijective> uiuctf
[11:29] <tomreyn> ok, good luck.
[11:30] <s10gopal> tomreyn, so only  linux-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb is required to install ?
[11:30] <megaaaaa> hello! i need to install this library http://biopp.univ-montp2.fr/wiki/index.php/Installation on unix, therefore i dont understand the installation instructions on that webpage that says : Bio++ 2.3 packages (libbpp-core, libbpp-seq, etc.) are available in the Debian Testing repositories (and are subsequently transferred to Debian Stable and Ubuntu). They can be installed using your usual package/program manager. i really need help
[11:30] <Rockwood> tomreyn, next for me how to use ?
[11:32] <HarkalyG> Hi, I'd like to know if I install Ubuntu 18.04 beta2 will it automatic upgrade to it's final version at the end of April?
[11:32] <Rockwood> tomreyn, but its having 18.02.0~ce-0~ubuntu 500 , why ?
[11:33] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i have never done a bisect, so i don't know what you need. i assume your goal is to test this kernel image to learn whether or not it is affected by a bug / issue, so unless you need to debug the kernel further or need to build modules just installing the kernel image .deb is sufficient.
[11:33] <s10gopal> tomreyn, thx
[11:33] <s10gopal> testing my first build kernel
[11:33] <tomreyn> Rockwood: probably that was the latest available at the time you installed
[11:34] <tomreyn> !18.04 | HarkalyG
[11:35] <HarkalyG> tomreyn: What does it supposed to mean? Is it an answer to my question? I don't get it.
[11:35] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: this channel is about ubuntu, a linux distribution. we cannot help with installing packages on unix.
[11:36] <tomreyn> HarkalyG: 18.04 is not released. there is no support for it, yet, but you can discuss it in channel #ubuntu+1
[11:37] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: thats exactly why i am in the ubuntu channel and not the linux one. because there is a specified way to install it on ubuntu, and thats what im trying to figure out here
[11:37] <HarkalyG> megaaaaa: Me too. It was a fuckin' question.
[11:39] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: oh so you don't intend to install it on unix then (that's what you said initally). which ubuntu release are you running, or do you plan to run?
[11:40] <gelswip> megaaaaa: the package manager for ubuntu is apt. to install the packages it listed, you would open the terminal and run: sudo apt install libbpp-core libbpp-seq
[11:41] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: my bad, i said "unix" but i meant ubuntu. 17.10
[11:41] <tomreyn> gelswip: those are the names of the source packages.
[11:42] <megaaaaa> gelswip: the thing is , do i only need to install those 2? because in the requierements of the program that uses those libs, its says "install bio++ 2.1 libraries"
[11:42] <myraft_> hey guys : My Ubuntu has super slow updates. I am not sure if it is  resolve or CERT issue . Any ideas or help ?
[11:42] <megaaaaa> ive tried sudo apt install bio++      but doesnt work, neither with "biopp"
[11:44] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: are you going to build the software from source or are you going to run a pre-built binary?
[11:45] <megaaaaa> the program uses the library in the source, and i have to run the makefile to obtain the executable file
[11:45] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: oh this is actually just a library, so you just need that.
[11:45] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: what is "the program"?
[11:45] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/software/DeCoSTAR/get.html
[11:46] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: thats my wish, to have decostar up and running on my ubuntu machine so i can start my university project
[11:46] <gelswip> from that page it looks like there are 4 "biopp" libraries: bpp-core bpp-seq bpp-popgen and bpp-phyl. in apt i would assume the prefix changes to libbpp (two b's two p's)
[11:47] <megaaaaa> gelswip: so "apt install libbpp" is the where to go you think?
[11:48] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: just run this in a temrinal: sudo apt update && sudo apt install libbpp-core3 libbpp-seq11
[11:49] <tomreyn> megaaaaa:actually you and gelswip seem to be right, you'll need them all. i'll look up the other package names for you.
[11:49] <tomreyn> libbpp-popgen7 libbpp-phyl11
[11:50] <gelswip> if he's building will he need the -dev packages too?
[11:50] <ioria> he probably needs also the -dev pkg   ; libbpp-core-dev libbpp-seq-dev
[11:50] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: so run this in a temrinal: sudo apt update && sudo apt install libbpp-core3 libbpp-seq11 libbpp-popgen7 libbpp-phyl11
[11:50] <tomreyn> i dont think the plan is to buld but to use the prebuilt binary
[11:50] <tomreyn> ...of "decostar"
[11:51] <bobby127> i used DD command on an old disk and now i can't access the files on it
[11:51] <bobby127> it is old and was not used often, but im not sure what i had on it
[11:51] <megaaaaa> exactly, the plan is first be able to use the prebuilt binary of decostar. my work is to optimize code in decostar, so at some point i will have to rebuild it with the makefile
[11:51] <megaaaaa> but im not supossed to touch to the bio++ lib
[11:51] <bobby127> can i recover the lost partitions? what tool to use?
[11:52] <tomreyn> bobby127: what'S the dd command you ran?
[11:53] <megaaaaa> so that sudo apt worked, i will come back soon to say you if i managed to run decostar
[11:53] <tomreyn> bobby127: you mea be able to recover the partitions uring 'testdisk'. this will not recover data, though. you'd need to do this in a separate step.
[11:53] <gelswip> megaaaaa: a (sometimes) useful command i found was apt search (package-name)
[11:53] <tomreyn> *may
[11:53] <gelswip> which shows a list of packages available matching that name
[11:54] <gelswip> so apt search bpp would give you the libbpp package names, among other things
[11:54] <tomreyn> ^ good hint!
[11:54] <bobby127> tomreyn, it was a basic DD command, something like: dd if=/home/me/desktop/some.iso of=/dev/sde
[11:55] <bobby127> testdisk?
[11:55] <tomreyn> !info testdisk | bobby127
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:56] <tomreyn> bobby127: be sure to have current, complete, restorable backups before you make such changes.
[11:56] <bobby127> ok i will check that out, thank you tomreyn, ubottu
[11:56] <bobby127> you suggest i make a disk image first?
[11:56] <bobby127> so i can go back?
[11:57] <bobby127> i don't know if it's worth it, it's an old disk anyway
[11:58] <tomreyn> bobby127: i (generally) recommend to have current, complete, restorable backups before you make such changes. i do not know the data on your different disks and what it means to you to loose them so cannot comment on what you need to do in your situation.
[12:00] <megaaaaa> hum, thing is now that in the makefile i have to say where i installed bio++ http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/software/DeCoSTAR/use.html    but, have only installed different libraries (libbpp-core3, libbpp-seq11...) . how to put this all together?
[12:00] <tomreyn> bobby127: when working with utilities which have the ability to make changes to raw storage devices and partition tables it's always good to ensure that you have all relevant data from all available disks backed up (also this should be generally done), due to the potential for human error (applying changes to the wrong disk).
[12:02] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: running dpkg -L PACKAGE for each PACKAGE you installed will provide a listing of the installed files and their locations.
[12:03] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: try this: dpkg -L libbpp-core3 libbpp-seq11 libbpp-popgen7 libbpp-phyl11 | grep -F .so
[12:08] <bobby127> tomreyn, i understand, and i agree, i made a mistake this time, and i did not have anything important on that disk, thankfully! but i will check out the tool you mentioned just as an exercise to see what can be recovered
[12:10] <root> hi
[12:11] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: https://paste.ofcode.org/JiyDXUf4iRUGTBZZTxwcJq this should be my last question. sorry to be anoying, just my knowledge in ubuntu and linux overall is verry low
[12:11] <Guest58863> mmmmm
[12:14] <laptop> what is best distrubtion that is still doing 32 bit and uptodate
[12:15] <diego_> Hi, I don't suppose anyone can help me with an issue I have wih bluetooth audio here ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1022652/bluetooth-speakers-only-work-for-a-few-seconds
[12:16] <danes> hello, does anyone know if there is any active work on the drivers for a 13inch macbook pro 2017 with retina display?
[12:25] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: you're not annoying me at all. which OS architecture does your ubuntu use? uname -m
[12:26] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: if it's amd64 then your libraries are probably all located in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[12:26] <megaaaaa> x86_64
[12:27] <tomreyn> err right thats what i meant to say: if it's x86_64 then your libraries are probably all located in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[12:27] <megaaaaa> ye, they are located there, the thing is that i have multiple libs as you can see in the paste https://paste.ofcode.org/JiyDXUf4iRUGTBZZTxwcJq
[12:27] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: oh i didnt read the commented out lines
[12:28] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: haha. the thing is, how do i integrated to the makefile as it requieres only one lib for biopp?
[12:32] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: this is actualyl a question you'd need to ask the developer. but on a first glance it seems that in those variables below you are supposed to set paths which contain all needed libs. i guess if you'll set BPP_LIB to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu this may already work. i'm not sure about BPP_INCLUDE, though, i guess you would point this at the header files but those would only be available if you also installed the  -dev packages. maybe
[12:32] <tomreyn> it's not needed for your use case.
[12:33] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: wasn't your plan to work with the pre-built binary?
[12:34] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: of decostar? nope, as i have to make modifications in the source code of decostar. the only thing i will not touch at all is bio++. but i cant manage to install it its a pain
[12:36] <laptop> what is best distrubtion that is still doing 32 bit and uptodate
[12:36] <Irritiable|LT> Windows 98?
[12:37] <myraft_> hey folks - could really use some help with network issues
[12:37] <Irritiable|LT> myraft_: I'd suggest taking that to the channel of: ##networking
[12:37] <chisui> Hey, I'm having trouble running libreoffice-<IP_ADDRESS> on ubuntu 16.04 32bit. It starts up and loads the controlls around the actual writing area but that crashes without any messages. The error seems to be an internal segfault in java-8-openjdk. Here id the gdbtrace.log output https://hastebin.com/ixeviqowin.apache
[12:37] <tomreyn> danes: usually kernel developers will not work on supporting a specific assembled product like a specific macbook. instead, they'd work on its components, seperately and at different speeds (there is no kjoint efforts to support linux on a specifc assembled product). if you look through "lspci -knn" and "lsusb" you will see hardware IDs of your system and for each of these drivers need to be available. there is more that this which needs to be
[12:37] <tomreyn> supported in linux, but this is the most important part.
[12:38] <tomreyn> laptop: we support ubuntu here, we do not do polls.
[12:38] <chisui> To be clear, the crash only occures once the writer is opened, calc and the dashboard application work.
[12:38] <tomreyn> !ask | myraft_
[12:39] <danes> tomreyn: thanks for the clarification (y)
[12:39] <myraft_> my updates are super slow and installing rubygems keeps on giving timeout errors
[12:39] <myraft_> either it is a resolve issue or CERT issue
[12:39] <myraft_> not sure where to diagnose it.
[12:39] <tomreyn> !info libreoffice xenial
[12:40] <myraft_> help please :)
[12:40] <tomreyn> chisui: there deosn't seem to be libreoffice 6 in xenial (16.04). where did you get it from then?
[12:40] <tomreyn> danes: welcome :)
[12:41] <tomreyn> myraft_: show some output on a pastebin
[12:41] <tomreyn> !paste | myraft_
[12:42] <tomreyn> myraft_: you can install rubygems on a terminal like this: sudo apt update; sudo apt install rubygems
[12:42] <chisui> tomreyn: I got it from the official openoffice ppa, but I was just an idiot, I didn't uninstall libreoffice 5 properly and just hoped they would work side by side. Uninstalling 5 fixed all issues.
[12:43] <chisui> :s/openoffice/libreoffice/
[12:44] <tomreyn> chisui: alright :) just to make sure you're aware: third party repositories and ppa's are not (officially) supported. good luck!
[12:44] <myraft_> @tomreyn: just put stuff here
[12:44] <myraft_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KJ2DRhYSmv/
[12:45] <tomreyn> myraft_: looks like your system is having trouble connecting to those ipv6 addresses.
[12:45] <myraft_> really hard to explain. The browser and chat window is responding fine without any lag or slowliness. The GUI updates is very slow and the rubygems is timeing out.
[12:46] <tomreyn> myraft_: you can run 'ping6 -c20 2001:67c:1562::16' to test the connection
[12:46] <myraft_> that is what I thought and changed /etc/sysctl.conf to DISABLE IP6
[12:47] <tomreyn> myraft_: that doesn't seem to have applied then. also maybe not a good idea.
[12:47] <myraft_> copy that
[12:47] <myraft_> the ping timed-out
[12:48] <tomreyn> does 'ping -c20 <IP_ADDRESS>' work?
[12:49] <myraft_> no ping stalled for over 45 secs
[12:49] <myraft_> I did CTRL C out of it.
[12:51] <tomreyn> myraft_: so it's actually a generic network / routing issue between you and the ubuntu servers. you can diagnose this further using e.g. 'mtr' ("apt install mtr" - if you can)
[12:52] <myraft_> doing it now.
[12:53] <tomreyn> then run network tests against both the ipv6 and ipv4 addresses this "economy" example server (one of the mirrors your apt command tried to connect to earlier) resolves to:
[12:54] <lapaga> speaking of apt...is there a reason to use apt-get over apt?
[12:54] <Irritiable|LT> lapaga: I use apt-fast (wrapper for apt-get).
[12:54] <tomreyn> mtr -4 --report-wide --report-cycles 20 --show-ips economy.canonical.com
[12:54] <tomreyn> mtr -6 --report-wide --report-cycles 20 --show-ips economy.canonical.com
[12:55] <tomreyn> lapaga: scripting, since apt is not made for this purpose.
[12:55] <myraft_> so I started "sudo apt-get install mtr" , and it is stalled at us.archive.ubuntu.com for this time
[12:56] <lapaga> thanks
[12:57] <tomreyn> myraft_: maybe a try a mirror server which is not managed by canoical
[12:57] <tomreyn> !mirrors
[12:57] <tomreyn> myraft_: actually there's listed here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:57] <myraft_> @tomreyn : sure , how would I do that.
[12:57] <tomreyn> *they are
[12:59] <tomreyn> myraft_: scroll down to "United States" and pick one that is close to you and is not called us.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:00] <myraft_> copy that - I am googling how to to change sources . there is GUI or apt/sources  , frankly don't remember
[13:00] <TJ-> Any sneaky ideas on how to get around a debootstrap failing due to dpkg-deb reporting "dpkg-deb: error: archive 'XXXX.deb' contains not understood data member control.tar.xz, giving up". Trying to build an 18.04 chroot to do a side-by-side upgrade from 12.04 ESM. Seems like the dpkg in 12.04 ESM doesn't have a version of liblzma5 that fully supports xz as used now
[13:00] <tomreyn> myraft_: also make sure the mirror you select actually supporty our ubuntu release
[13:00] <tomreyn> myraft_: you can edit the sources using: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:01] <tomreyn> myraft_: maybe create a backup before you start editing the file: sudo cp -p /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup-2018-04-07
[13:02] <tomreyn> ctrl -x to exit the editor (that's if it says "GNU nano" on top)
[13:02] <tomreyn> it will prompt to save changes when you exit
[13:04] <tomreyn> TJ-: this sound slike oyu might need to have a chroot with a dpkg which supports liblzma5. ;-)
[13:04] <tomreyn> no fun
[13:05] <TJ-> tomreyn: that's where I'm going, I've debootstrapped a 14.04 and will debootstrap the 18.04 from there :D
[13:07] <tomreyn> i guess canonical might want to provide their paying customers with a better migration path, but i guess they normally do since the default upgrade path would from from 12.04 to 14.04, then 16.04, then 18.04 i guess
[13:08] <tomreyn> where "normal" = "do-release-upgrade". or does this support skipping LTS releases?
[13:08] <myraft_> I have changed 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/' to 'http://mirrors.wikimedia.org/ubuntu/' . Saved the file using SUDO.  It does the Hit 1, Hit2 and Hit 3 fast and then stalls at mirrors.wikemedia.org .
[13:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: darn! 14.04 still doesn't handle it! I checked all the lib/package versions/changelogs too... best try 16.04 :)
[13:12] <survey0r> oh no
[13:18] <tomreyn> TJ-: only the most religious friars will tend to self flagellation also on the weekend.
[13:18] <survey0r> lol
[13:19] <tomreyn> myraft_: meh, i guess you should just try resetting the devices which provides you with internet access and try again. if it still doesn't work, talk to your isp, telling them that you can basically not connect to many places.
[13:19] <oneirosFade> Hey all. Bizarre issue happening suddenly -- triple-clicking (to select a whole line of text) turns off the cursor and resets it to the center of the screen, and Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V don't seem to work anymore? Also backspace and delete don't work in some situations...
[13:19] <lex0r> hellou
[13:19] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's the quietest time for doing a switchover :)
[13:19] <lex0r> fellow ubuntu users
[13:19] <tomreyn> myraft_: where "reset" = "reboot", not vendor defaults.
[13:20] <myraft_> @tomreyn: thanks man....
[13:20] <oneirosFade> Oh, nevermind, I literally just figured it out accidentally.
[13:21] <lex0r> i am running ubuntu 16.04 and i would like to change the program that locks the screen by default
[13:21] <tomreyn> myraft_: comcast is a cable network, right? so you'd have a cable modem there. keep it powered off (pull wall plug) for 30 seconds to ensure capacitors loose current.
[13:22] <lex0r> i am not really sure, where to find the proper config files. ive been doing some research but have not found any satisfying answer yetr
[13:22] <myraft_> @tomreyn: will try that on the next reboot. I was messing around with IP6 disable. Reverting those now.
[13:23] <tomreyn> myraft_: right, it doesn't seem to be an ipv6 (only) issue.
[13:28] <myraft_> @tomreyn: thnx for ideas and suggestions. Will restart and might be back asking for more help
[13:29] <R13ose> Hi
[13:30] <saberu> Hi guys I'm extremely frustrated at my inability to get this Realtek ATL8812AU driver installed on Ubuntu 16.04 for my Wi-Fi card
[13:30] <saberu> I would really appreciate some help
[13:33] <tomreyn> !hwe | saberu
[13:33] <tomreyn> saberu: use a hwe kernel is you're still on GA
[13:34] <saberu> This is my Wi-Fi adapter- https://www.amazon.co.uk/BrosTrend-Wireless-Network-Supports-AC1/dp/B01BV91L7Y
[13:35] <saberu> it uses the realtek 8812 chipset, which seems to be quite common and used by a lot of brands
[13:35] <zerorax> anyone ever rolled their own Ubuntu?
[13:35] <saberu> it's frustrating because it was working for a while only on a VM. Then I couldn't install it on my laptop running Ubuntu. Then I restarted the VM at some point and it wouldnt even work on there
[13:36] <saberu> despite countless driver reinstalls
[13:36] <saberu> are you saying I should be using the LTS release? I usually do not sure if i got it last time
[13:36] <zerorax> I've been making my own Enlightenment Ubuntu 17.10, I wonder if anyone has guides or tips that could help me so I'm not fumbling around in the dark
[13:37] <zerorax> Ebuntu
[13:37] <zerorax> lol
[13:37] <zerorax> not actually gonna call it that, but I want it to be based on upstream ubuntu and to use the official repos
[13:38] <saberu> Zerorax add some built in driver support for popular Wifi adapters and I'm sure it will become the most popular distro within 12 months :/
[13:38] <zerorax> It's actually just a practice exercise so when I have to make my own for real I will have experience
[13:38] <zerorax> saberu, yeah, popularity is not what I'm worried about...  I'm quite an avid IT professional, just not a Linux whizz, just amateur for that
[13:39] <saberu> and I can't even get a damn driver working
[13:39] <zerorax> Linux could use more user-friendliness... I mean managing multiple screens when hotplugging hdmi is not a nice experience or something that even always works with nvidia drivers
[13:40] <Irritiable|LT> OpenGL on Linux doesn't seem very happy.
[13:40] <zerorax> like, Linux doesn't go mainstream because of little things like that. people basically don't want to learn skills so they can use their computer. they want to play candy crush on facebook without having to know anything
[13:40] <Irritiable|LT> Intel HD 505 graphics loves to flicker. :|
[13:40] <zerorax> eww
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Your argument makes 0 sense.
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> Your dictation of what /others/ should do with /their/ property?
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> Oh, right. Tyranny.
[13:41] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, I'm not dictating, merely stating an observation
[13:41] <leftyfb> saberu: did you bother installing the hwe kernel like was suggested to you? Also, this in running in a VM? Are you passing the network card directly through to the VM(removing it from the host)?
[13:41] <saberu> zerorax, you are so naive. Why does everyone have to be an expert at Linux drivers? I'm more of a programmer than a sys admin
[13:41] <dli> recently, some linux-image-generic packages have lots of modules missing. booting up, without mouse or wifi because the kernel has no modules for the drivers
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: "they want to play candy crush on facebook without having to know anything" -- Reflect on that for a bit.
[13:41] <saberu> leftyfb, I've tried both in VM and on a physical machine
[13:42] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, sorry if it makes no sense, I just woke up 5 mins ago lol
[13:42] <saberu> i had it working on the VM but very temporamental then it just stopped working even after reinstall
[13:42] <leftyfb>  saberu the VM won't require the direct hardware's drivers out of the box
[13:42] <leftyfb> saberu: which state are you in now?  I personally love it
[13:42] <saberu> I'm trying both
[13:42] <saberu> got both setup right here ready to roll
[13:42] <zerorax> I got my mom on Kubuntu
[13:42] <zerorax> on her laptop
[13:42] <zerorax> which she plays candy crush on lol
[13:43] <leftyfb> saberu: lets go with bare metal. What does lscpi tell you the hardware is?
[13:43] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: "Isn't as pretty?" Okay. That's a personal opinion. "Idiot proof." Uhh.. What? Windows can be broken (name a distro) pretty easy. The whole OS is as fragile as any Linux distro.
[13:43] <leftyfb> saberu: lspci |grep -i net
[13:43] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Why would you NOT want an 'idiot-proof' solution?
[13:43] <leftyfb> Irritiable|LT: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <ericrajuin> I think with nice themes, linux can actually look prettier than windows and osx
[13:44] <zerorax> maybe I made too broad of a statement, I don't feel like arguing with you
[13:44] <saberu> I already know that, it's the realtek rtl 8812au chipset. but i tried this driver that didn't work - https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au. uninstalled it now im trying this one - https://github.com/gordboy/rtl8812au
[13:44] <saberu> but i'll humour you
[13:44] <Irritiable|LT> I hope you're older enough to realize that wires and plugs are color-coded now days. They also have idiot-proof pins, so even the non-idiots (like me) don't accidentally (keyword: idiot-proof) fry their motherboard or PCI slot.
[13:44] <saberu> lefty first of all I think you mean lsusb
[13:44] <leftyfb> Irritiable|LT: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <saberu> which is what i used last time to identify it
[13:45] <leftyfb> saberu: this is a usb network device?
[13:45] <zerorax> sorry leftyfb, it's my fault for starting it... I made the statement he's responding to
[13:45] <saberu> yes, i know pci ones still exist but not as common these days i guess
[13:45] <leftyfb> saberu: ok, so to confirm, what does lsusb say it is?
[13:45] <Irritiable|LT> saberu: Built-on NICs are more common. I have an external PCI-based NIC card for my 2004 desktop.
[13:46] <Irritiable|LT> [08:43:27] <leftyfb> saberu: lspci |grep -i net
[13:46] <saberu> Irritiable|LT, yeh that's common in laptops didn't have a built-in wifi on my motherboard for my desktop though. My laptop actually has a built in one but it sucks
[13:46] <zerorax> anyone have a cool configuration for conky they care to share?
[13:47] <Irritiable|LT> saberu: Have you opened a terminal and entered the command yet?
[13:47] <Irritiable|LT> saberu: lspci |grep -i net
[13:47] <leftyfb> Irritiable|LT: it's been confirmed to be a usb device
[13:48] <saberu> anyway so leftyfb - Realtek RTL8812AU 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN Adapter. that's what it says, but honestly I doubt the wifi spec details are that relevant
[13:48] <saberu> it's a realtek 8812au
[13:48] <leftyfb> saberu: what version of ubuntu are you runnung?
[13:48] <leftyfb> running*
[13:48] <zerorax> when does bionic beaver roll out?
[13:49] <zerorax> this month right?
[13:49] <leftyfb> !bionic | zerorax
[13:49] <saberu> 16.04 LTS
[13:49] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Right after The Terminator's Revenge is released.
[13:49] <leftyfb> saberu: ok, what kernel are you running? : uname -r
[13:49] <saberu> 4.13.0-38-generic
[13:50] <leftyfb> saberu: tried the rtl8812au-dkms package?
[13:51] <saberu> yes it didn't work on the laptop. it worked on the VM a few weeks ago but isn't working on the VM either. I've also tried installing manually from github using dms command line
[13:51] <saberu> dkms*
[13:51] <leftyfb> saberu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/991643/rtl8812au-usb-adapter-driver-issues
[13:51] <Actarus> hey everyone :) I'd like to ask a question.... I am having issues with this https://askubuntu.com/questions/30794/is-there-a-way-to-stream-audio-video-to-an-apple-airplay-device The problem is I cannot get it to work and the audio output switches to the airport device but there is no sound on my speakers... for example youtube videos stop playing and i cannot force the stream thorugh my airport device.... Any suggestions?
[13:51] <leftyfb> saberu: follow that solution line for line and paste any errors, preferably the entire output to pastebin
[13:51] <saberu> leftyfb, I think the wifi adapter was working on the physical machine (laptop) a few days ago
[13:52] <saberu> or a week or two ago
[13:52] <saberu> it's like.. it's not working on either now
[13:52] <leftyfb> saberu: we're only focusing on getting it to work right now on the laptop
[13:52] <saberu> yep understood. i will follow the solution, just thought you should know I have tried it before. but i don't have your debugging skills
[13:53] <leftyfb> Actarus: you want airplay.jar. It works for me
[13:53] <leftyfb> saberu: you do at this moment
[13:54] <Actarus> leftyfb, how.. Is there an explanation how to set up?
[13:55] <leftyfb> Actarus: https://github.com/jamesdlow/open-airplay
[13:55] <leftyfb> Actarus: you'll have to seek support from there
[13:55] <Actarus> leftyfb, ok thanks
[13:56] <saberu> yeh sorry that was my point (almost done)
[13:58] <saberu> ok it's installed and i restarted network-manager
[13:58] <leftyfb> reboot
[13:59] <landspite> hi everyone.
[13:59] <landspite> did the dist name for zesty change ?
[13:59] <landspite> my /etc/apt/sources.list has "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty main restricted"
[13:59] <landspite> but every mirror no longer hosts zesty.
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> landspite: zesty is eol
[14:00] <landspite> oh
[14:00] <landspite> so I should dist upgrade.
[14:00] <leftyfb> do-release-upgrade
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> landspite: we reccomend clean installing a supported version from topic
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> !usn | landspite for security reasons
[14:01] <landspite> ok i see
[14:01] <landspite> that page is not found.
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | landspite also an option
[14:01] <landspite> thanks :)
[14:02] <saberu> well I'm lost for words, the reboot magically fixed it.  I think last time I rebooted it must have been on a different USB port that wasn't supported as well. and then I had it on this better USB port but restarted network-manager without rebooting earlier today. Anyway all working now, thanks a lot. Saved me a lot of frustration
[14:02] <saberu> i mean obviously not magically fixed it because rebooting usually solves a lot of driver issues haha
[14:02] <landspite> so I should switch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark?
[14:02] <leftyfb> saberu: ok, good timing. I gotta head out now
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> landspite: what will you be needing long time support or non-lts?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> landspite: you can choose 9months or 5y support
[14:03] <leftyfb> landspite: 18.04 will be out in a couple weeks. If you can wait it out, I would highly recommend going with that as it's the latest and will be supported for the next 5 years
[14:04] <landspite> i'll hop skip then jump ;)
[14:05] <landspite> so even number releases are 5 yr?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> !lts | landspite
[14:05] <landspite> thanks
[14:05] <Ascavasaion> I have a 19" monitor and Ubuntu detects 1024x768 as the maximum resolution.  I know it can go higher... could someone please point me in the right direction please?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> landspite: see #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 daily :p
[14:06] <landspite> cool
[14:10] <dli> Ascavasaion, could be a video card driver issue. does xrandr detects higher resolutions
[14:12] <Ascavasaion> dli, https://pastebin.com/Z0J5raZT   Does not look like it.
[14:13] <gobin> hi. someone there=
[14:14] <dli> Ascavasaion, looks like video card driver issue, especially, if your video card was recently released
[14:15] <Ascavasaion> dli, It is some orother onboard graphics card.
[14:15] <Ascavasaion> dli, lspci gives 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sky Lake Integrated Graphics (rev 06)
[14:15] <nikitha1> hi,  i am working on oracle installed on windows ,  want to shift to linux, is it good move ?
[14:16] <zerorax> https://imgur.com/a/nZF1c is it pretty enough?
[14:17] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Beautiful OS.
[14:17] <gobin> so i wanted to install virtualbox. but at startup virtualbox printed this error: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. 	 Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate 	 headers, most likely linux-headers-generic.
[14:17] <learningc> I'm trying to install gstreamer1.0-rtsp-server but ubuntu package cannot find it. Is it not available?
[14:17] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, it's Ubuntu, with Enlightenment, lets call it an ubuntu variant, as opposed to an OS
[14:17] <zerorax> I hate when people package other peoples sources for linux and call it it's own OS
[14:17] <Irritiable|LT> I was poking holes at you, Will, but okay. :p
[14:17] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, :D\
[14:17] <gobin> so i started (sudo dpkg -P virtualbox-dkms) in terminal.
[14:18] <zerorax> Yeah I know my name was in there:P
[14:18] <zerorax> I don't care, I'm a whitehat i have nothing to hide
[14:18] <dli> Ascavasaion, I suppose the video driver is okay. still try 18.04 live cd to confirm
[14:18] <zerorax> but thanks Irritiable|LT do you actually think it looks nice?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> zerorax: keep it ontopic please
[14:18] <Ascavasaion> dli, nods
[14:18] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: No. Lubuntu + XFCE > *
[14:19] <zerorax> lotuspsychje, the topic is Ubuntu, this is my first attempt at making an ubuntu variant, is that off topic?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> zerorax: this channel is for support issues only, feel free to discuss it more in #ubuntu-discuss
[14:19] <gobin> sry. run (sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms)
[14:20] <zano> guys I just need to know how I fix audio driver
[14:20] <zerorax> Oh okay, sure lotuspsychje, I will join there then thank you for setting me straight
[14:20] <gobin> this shows a dialog but doese not allow me to press <enter> or <space> ... to start the process.
[14:20] <zano> a noise come out from the speaker
[14:21] <ericrajuin> zerorax, it looks win-xp-ish
[14:21] <ericrajuin> while other parts are smooth
[14:21] <gobin> so I closed the window. Now I cant install any software ...
[14:22] <dli> zano, can you adjust the volume of the noises from the audio applet
[14:23] <zano> I did but the noise still happen ,until I put the headphone
[14:24] <gobin> Ohhh thank (god?) manage to get out of the damn dialog and abort installation/disable of uefi with <esc>
[14:25] <gobin> Is KVM < && > && == virtualbox?
[14:25] <lapaga> zano i had problems until i installed pulse audio volume control
[14:25] <dli> zano, can you mute the noises?
[14:26] <zano> yes
[14:27] <zano> when I mute the speakers,but I need the audio
[14:28] <zano> I already install and reinstall all drivers
[14:28] <dli> zano, yes, pavucontrol, can you see anything in playback
[14:29] <zano> what you mean?
[14:29] <dli> zano, try the command pavucontrol
[14:29] <zano> I used this before
[14:29] <zano> nothing work
[14:30] <zano> my laptop is old dell
[14:31] <Ascavasaion> Is the latest LTS release 16?  17 does not have an LTS release?  Have checked in Software & Updates and it says no, and have tried sudo dist-upgrade and nothing.
[14:32] <dli> zano, I have an asus (bought in 2011). had similar behaviour, but it only made noises with any playback. covered by warranty, and fixed by asus
[14:32] <zano> yes exactly
[14:33] <crimson_king> Ascavasaion, yes, 16.04 is the latest LTS. By the end of this month 18.04 will be released, and it will be LTS
[14:33] <zano> how to fix this
[14:33] <dli> zano, the asus support said they replaced the speaker.
[14:33] <Ascavasaion> crimson_king, Awqesome, thank you.  Hope it will have better drivers for my onboard graphics card
[14:34] <zano> but dell didnt
[14:34] <crimson_king> Ascavasaion, LTS releases follow this number pattern: (...) 10.04 - 12.04 - 14.04 - 16.04 - 18.04 - 20.04 see?
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: drivers database should be same on all versions
[14:35] <Ascavasaion> crimson_king, Oh, okay... thank you.
[14:35] <dli> zano, since it's hardware. try to get an external speaker
[14:36] <zano> yes,this is my only choice
[14:36] <zano> thank you for helping me
[14:36] <mrchairman> on ubuntu 17.10 i can't get wifi to work in starbucks
[14:36] <mrchairman> They changed the wifi system, and now it won't work. any of you guys experience this ??
[14:38] <dli> mrchairman, my solution, if pc doesn't work, try your phone, and use usb reverse tethering
[14:38] <Kharma> Ascavasaion: All versions patters mean, for examples 17 (last digits of year for release) and. 04 (month of release)
[14:38] <Kharma> Just fyi ;)
[14:39] <mrchairman> so I can use starbucks wifi through my phone?
[14:40] <Kharma> yes mrchairman
[14:40] <Ascavasaion> Kharma, Oh, never realised that... that is brilliant.
[14:41] <dli> mrchairman, your phone could be your external usb wifi
[14:41] <mrchairman> ah ok, i think i got it
[14:42] <Kharma> Ascavasaion:  just random info I thought really neat too when I learned that
[14:43] <dli> mrchairman, most likely, if you enable it from the phone side, ubuntu will get the network automatically
[14:45] <Kharma> Ascavasaion:  my example should have been 18.04 instead of 17.. but you get it ;)
[14:45] <Ascavasaion> Kharma, I do hehe  Thank you.
[14:53] <_Strix_> hello
[14:53] <BugzBunny> Hello _Strix_
[14:54] <BugzBunny> BugzBunny: What you need help with?
[14:54] <BugzBunny> Err
[14:54] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What you need help with?
[14:54] <_Strix_> Can you please tell me what is the kernel version of ubuntu 14.04.5
[14:55] <simonizor> Old.
[14:55] <simonizor> Like 3.18 or something
[14:55] <_Strix_> Wait
[14:55] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: That's Year and month of the versiion of YOutube
[14:55] <BugzBunny> LOL
[14:55] <_Strix_> Linux onion 4.13.13-4-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.Linux onion 4.13.13-4-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.13.13-35 (Mon, 8 Jan 2018 10:26:58 +0100) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:55] <_Strix_> 13.13-35 (Mon, 8 Jan 2018 10:26:58 +0100) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:55] <BugzBunny> Ubuntu
[14:56] <kostkon> !info linux-generic trusty
[14:56] <BugzBunny> Sorry, I have headset in the wrong place
[14:56] <simonizor> _Strix_: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/linux-generic
[14:57] <kostkon> !info linux-generic-xenial trusty
[14:57] <_Strix_> Is there any way to go back to 3.13
[14:57] <simonizor> Remove whatever kernel you have installed and install linux-generic
[14:57] <neoname> my ubuntu bionic can't boot into cinnamon
[14:57] <simonizor> SeemsGood
[14:57] <simonizor> Try MATE :P
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> neoname: #ubuntu+1 for bionic
[14:58] <_Strix_> The issue was related to security onion
[14:58] <neoname> i press enter while having cinnamon selected and it just reboots my pc
[14:58] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What is the problem?
[14:58] <simonizor> SeemsGood; try MATE.  It's much nicer than Cinnamon anyways :P
[14:58] <neoname> ok...
[14:58] <jaydemir> Whats the best on screen keyboard package
[14:59] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Why would want to go back to 3.13?
[14:59] <simonizor> Why wouldn't you?
[14:59] <dli> jaydemir, I just use onboard
[14:59] <_Strix_> cat: /proc/net/pf_ring/info: No such file or directory
[14:59] <simonizor> 4.13 isn't supported on 14.04 at all
[14:59] <kostkon> _Strix_, maybe by removing your hwe packages? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Desktop-1  is 3.13 still there?
[15:00] <_Strix_> It was a fresh install,
[15:00] <_Strix_> I haven't upgraded anything
[15:00] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: That looks like missing CONFIG_*
[15:00] <kostkon> _Strix_, correct. latest 14.04 iso will have the 16.04 hwe
[15:00] <simonizor> 14.04 doesn't even have that kernel in hwe
[15:00] <simonizor> lol
[15:00] <lapaga> I have 12g ram do i need a swap partition? If I do not then I don't have to make an extended partition
[15:00] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What do you need /proc/net/pf_ring/info?
[15:01] <simonizor> Latest kernel provided by hwe on 14.04 is 4.4
[15:01] <BugzBunny> s/What/Why/?
[15:01] <_Strix_> It was for the security onion installation
[15:02] <_Strix_> I was able to get everything work fine with my digital ocean droplet which has kernel 3.13
[15:02] <kostkon> simonizor, 3.13
[15:02] <BugzBunny> Does Ubuntu configuration in /boot one can grep?
[15:02] <_Strix_> But this one there seems to be some problems.
[15:02] <BugzBunny> I ie /boot/config
[15:02] <_Strix_> wait
[15:03] <edwinvanolst[m]> installing the nvidia driver (340 or 382) causes my system to get stuck after boot at the encryption unlock. I can boot perfectly fine by going via recovery mode and then resuming normal boot. Any ideas?
[15:03] <_Strix_> root@onion:~# ll /boot/
[15:03] <_Strix_> total 8
[15:03] <_Strix_> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Feb  3  2015 ./
[15:03] <_Strix_> drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Apr  7 14:59 ../
[15:03] <simonizor> _Strix_: Are you sure you're on 14.04? lol... do `cat /etc/os-release`
[15:04] <_Strix_> root@onion:~# lsb_release -a
[15:04] <_Strix_> No LSB modules are available.
[15:04] <_Strix_> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:04] <_Strix_> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:04] <_Strix_> Release:	14.04
[15:04] <_Strix_> Codename:	trusty
[15:04] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Pastebin
[15:04] <neoname> sometimes when i boot from logout my keyboard and mouse don't work. i am using ubuntu bionic btw
[15:04] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: It's much easier for us to read
[15:04] <BugzBunny> What happen to Drone?
[15:05] <kostkon> _Strix_, installing linux-generic will probably give you 3.13
[15:05] <BugzBunny> Weird to TheRedQueen do +q
[15:05] <_Strix_> Ok bro I will use pastebin from now onwards
[15:05] <simonizor> Installing linux-generic will give you 3.13, but you'll still have whatever other kernel
[15:06] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Please make sure you give us a link so we can read
[15:06] <simonizor> I'd honestly dump whatever service is providing this screwy 14.04 setup
[15:07] <_Strix_> https://pastebin.com/vaCtgvJY
[15:08] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: tree /boot
[15:08] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Please don't be that person that's hard to help
[15:09] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: I don't what this room had done, but please I want to help you
[15:10] <_Strix_> https://pastebin.com/TicLVgJn
[15:10] <_Strix_> Here is the output
[15:11] <BugzBunny> Okay, who boot system do you have?
[15:12] <_Strix_> It is a VPS.
[15:12] <BugzBunny> k
[15:12] <simonizor> I would honestly dump that VPS provider
[15:12] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: No problem
[15:13] <simonizor> It's pretty silly of them to provide that kernel on 14.04
[15:13] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What part of using Ubuntu you have problem with?
[15:13] <simonizor> That is not a kernel that is supported on 14.04 at all
[15:14] <_Strix_> BugzBunny, I was using it to set up security onion in it.
[15:15] <_Strix_> It worked fine with Ubuntu VPS having 3.13 kernel
[15:15] <BugzBunny> I don't know what 'security onion'
[15:15] <Ascavasaion> How can I check the video memory on onboard graphics card without rebooting and looking in BIOS?
[15:15] <BugzBunny> VPS?
[15:15] <simonizor> _Strix_: Either uninstall your current kernel and install linux-generic or dump that VPS provider because that is really silly thing for them to be doing
[15:16] <_Strix_> Ok guys
[15:16] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: A VPS
[15:16] <Irritiable|LT> Ascavasaion: Start menu > System Tools > Benchmark & Performance
[15:16] <Irritiable|LT> Contains all that and more.
[15:16] <_Strix_> Let me check what I can do here, I will come back later.
[15:16] <_Strix_> Thank you for helping me out.
[15:16] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Contact the VPS provider
[15:17] <simonizor> Ascavasaion: lspci -v
[15:17] <_Strix_> BugzBunny, I will be back in 45 mins.
[15:17] <BugzBunny> K
[15:24] <Irritiable|LT> Bash has a rand() function?
[15:25] <Irritiable|LT> "$(( ( RANDOM % 10 )  + 1 ))"
[15:25] <Irritiable|LT> Thanks.
[15:28] <mightyball> would anyone be able to help getting IR receive/transmit working on 17.10?
[15:29] <mightyball> i'm at a loss with this ir-keytables stuff
[15:30] <BugzBunny> mightyball: Sorry, I don't know
[15:31] <chele> hola
[15:31] <Guest27390> alguine me puede ayudar un un programa
[15:31] <Guest47996> Hello
[15:32] <tomreyn> !es | Guest27390
[15:32] <tomreyn> !es | chele
[15:32] <Guest27390> thank
[15:32] <tomreyn> welcome :)
[15:33] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: They going to come back
[15:33] <BugzBunny> I only if I can speak
[15:33] <mingdao> when uname prints "4.13.0-38-generic #43-Ubuntu" whis does the 38 designate?
[15:33] <tomreyn> Irritiable|LT: this is not cryptographically secure, though. use /dev/urandom (or /dev/random) instead if needed.
[15:33] <Guest47996> I am getting errors when I am installing the
[15:33] <Guest47996> Use of uninitialized value $fieldname in hash element at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 691, <PROFILE> line 1. Use of uninitialized value $fieldname in hash element at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 692, <PROFILE> line 1. could not read profile /usr/share/pam-configs/mkhomedir: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 674. dpkg: error processing package libpam-systemd:amd64 (--configure):  subprocess installed p
[15:34] <Irritiable|LT> tomreyn: I apologize. It is "Plymouth" scripting language; not bash.
[15:34] <tomreyn> mingdao: patch level
[15:34] <tomreyn> !latest | mingdao
[15:34] <Irritiable|LT> tomreyn: I am tinkering with the boot image splash screen. I wanted to have a randomly rotating image (per boot).
[15:34] <mingdao> tomreyn: does the 43 mean the 43rd time they've used 4.13.0 source?
[15:34] <tomreyn> Irritiable|LT: i see. i'm not into scripting plymouth
[15:35] <mingdao> tomreyn: i.e., the 43rd build of 4.13.0 or 4.13.0-38 ?
[15:36] <tomreyn> mingdao: hmm i'm not actually szure what the -38 means compared to the #43, i would have to review the changelog. you can do so, too.
[15:36] <tomreyn> *sure
[15:37] <tomreyn> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com (and links to it can be found from packages.ubuntu.com, ma ybe easier
[15:37] <Guest47996> I am using the ubuntu 16.04
[15:38] <mingdao> tomreyn: coreutils would make that #43 be the kernel version; i.e., if you build your own kernels that would be the 43rd time you build using the kernel release, which is 4.13.0-38 according to the output
[15:38] <mingdao> tomreyn: just curious where the Ubuntu deviates, thanks
[15:39] <BugzBunny> no
[15:39] <BugzBunny> mingdao: That's a number Ubuntu adds
[15:41] <BugzBunny> But rebuilding the kernel, afaik, doesn't necesarilly mean how many it was built with that number
[15:41] <BugzBunny> Correct me if I am wrong
[15:42] <BugzBunny> mingdao: Look at source changes on launchpad
[15:44] <simonizor> That's just the build number
[15:44] <simonizor> That means that package has been built 38 times
[15:45] <wiq> Hi, I am having HP Pavilion G6 1004tx laptop which have AMD Radeon HD 6470M
[15:46] <wiq>  sudo lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VYVj9fycJW/
[15:46] <wiq> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[15:46] <wiq> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
[15:47] <wiq> How can i start using amd graphic card?
[15:49] <mingdao> BugzBunny: Your question confuses me, but "man uname" might help you understand.
[15:50] <brainwash> wiq: try this: DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[15:50] <BugzBunny> mingdao: When I said that?
[15:50] <BugzBunny> mingdao: Time stamp?
[15:50] <wiq> brainwash, OpenGL renderer string: AMD CAICOS (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-38-generic, LLVM 5.0.0)
[15:50] <brainwash> there you have it
[15:51] <wiq> brainwash, so, does it mean i am using AMD graphic card now?
[15:51] <brainwash> the key is the DRI_PRIME=1 environmental variable
[15:51] <brainwash> yes
[15:52] <wiq> actaully, before asking this here I have executed all the command mentioned here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics#Using_vga_switcheroo
[15:52] <wiq> under Using vga_switcheroo
[15:52] <wiq> brainwash, ^
[15:52] <brainwash> it's not a permanent switch. you have to keep using this env var
[15:52] <wiq> How can I? brainwash
[15:53] <BugzBunny> wiq: That laptop is not Dual Graphics?
[15:53] <wiq> BugzBunny, it has dual graphics. intel and amd
[15:53] <brainwash> wiq: the linked help page may be outdated
[15:54] <wiq> Please help me sort it out I am trying to solve this from some months
[15:54] <tomreyn> mingdao: so i think you're right. in your example, 38 is the patch level, #43 is the (squentially incremented, i would think) build id. ubuntu builds packages automatically, and i assume #43 is then the 43rd build of this pkernel version with applied ubuntu patches.
[15:54] <brainwash> wiq: if you want to use the AMD gpu for a certain task, simply make sure that DRI_PRIME=1 is set
[15:55] <wiq> brainwash, not with certain task but everything
[15:55] <BugzBunny> wiq: The kernel doesn't support very well
[15:55] <BugzBunny> wiq: It's hack
[15:55] <brainwash> can't you configure that in your bios/uefi?
[15:55] <wiq> no. brainwash
[15:56] <mingdao> tomreyn: I concur. I'm needing to install another system alongside Ubuntu on a laptop, and wanted to use the same kernel .config. Then I saw those numbers, and was just curious. Patch level is indeed the thing I needed to understand, thanks.
[15:56] <BugzBunny> wiq: If it was coomplete AMD system, fine
[15:56] <wiq> BugzBunny, its ok until it works ;)
[15:56] <wiq> BugzBunny, ain't there a workaround?
[15:56] <BugzBunny> wiq: That, to make it work flawlessly
[15:56] <BugzBunny> wiq: I wish you luch
[15:57] <BugzBunny> wiq: Intel+AMD?
[15:57] <BugzBunny> Uhhhhh
[15:57] <wiq> brainwash, so, isn't there any way to use AMD for everything?
[15:57] <tomreyn> mingdao: thanks for making me reassure myself on this, too, it's the kind of things i should already know.
[15:57] <BugzBunny> It should work wiq
[15:57] <BugzBunny> What doesn't work?
[15:58] <wiq> I don't know. But as brainwash said "if you want to use the AMD gpu for a certain task, simply make sure that DRI_PRIME=1 is set"
[15:58] <madsj> I booted this morning, after having upgraded some packages, and now I can't start X11. I get a warning about "Type ONE_LEVEL RALT has only two levels" (I can't post the exact message).
[15:59] <tomreyn> wiq: you could probably add DRI_PRIME=1 to /etc/environment
[15:59] <BugzBunny> That if you want better peformance on 3D tasks
[15:59] <zend0> Does anyone have a Acer that does not have issues with GRUB2?
[15:59] <BugzBunny> Even that
[15:59] <BugzBunny> Means NOTHING
[15:59] <madsj> I tried chmod u+s /usr/bin/xinit; any tricks to remediate this problem?
[15:59] <zend0> When installing my whole screen freezes so It's something with GRUB2
[15:59] <BugzBunny> When you have those laptops with Intel+AMD
[16:00] <zend0> Tried to log for errors shows nothing plain nothing
[16:00] <tomreyn> wiq: but if you care about energy efficiency and good performance for specific tasks, being able to switch between video drivers for different workloads is actually a great feature.
[16:00] <zend0> Just frezes
[16:00] <zend0> Hello?
[16:00] <madsj> I am on Ubuntu 16.04LTS
[16:00] <zend0> On a Acer?
[16:00] <zend0> What Acer?
[16:00] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: HE is not going to get that in Linux
[16:01] <zend0> Can't even change my UEFI to Legacy mode to trust Ubuntux64 UEFI file
[16:01] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: what do you mean?
[16:01] <zend0> Fuck Acer
[16:01] <wiq> tomreyn, rn I don't care about energy efficiency. and I am not able to switch for different workloads, so thats why I want to make AMD default becasue its powerful than intel one
[16:01] <tomreyn> !language | zend0
[16:01] <zend0> I'll try Tom
[16:02] <tomreyn> wiq: why are you not able to switch for different workloads?
[16:02] <zend0> Been wasting 6 hours yesterday trying to get Ubuntu to not freeze during GRUB installation
[16:02] <zend0> Nothing... it gave me totally nothing
[16:02] <wiq> tomreyn, i don't see a option.
[16:02] <tomreyn> wiq: do you need any more assistence with this now?
[16:02] <zend0> Assistance*
[16:02] <tomreyn> wiq: the option is to use the environment variable.
[16:02] <zend0> Good op when you can't even spell
[16:03] <zend0> Yet warn others for their language.
[16:03] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: Will not because thats proprietary hardware
[16:03] <R13ose> TJ-: any updates on big ticket?
[16:03] <R13ose> bug*
[16:03] <tomreyn> zend0: i'm not a channel op, and there's no need to be so passive aggressive. i also think acer products are not great, but this does not belong here.
[16:04] <zend0> It does becauese it's a Ubuntu issue you fool
[16:04] <fayaz> hi, I am have an nvidia bumblebee primus setup for steam. It was working until an abrupt shutdown. Now when I try to run steam with primusrun, it just runs the updater and quits abruptly. I can run it without primusrun and also with optirun, but the performance is not there. Also I am seeing some segfault errors on dmesg. Any clues on where I should go from here?
[16:04] <zend0> GRUB2 installation -> everything freezes
[16:04] <wiq> tomreyn, yeah i have added DRI_PRIME=1 to /etc/environment
[16:04] <tomreyn> zend0: please stop the insults, thank you.
[16:04] <zend0> Learn to spell, thank you
[16:04] <wiq> tomreyn, will take make it default?
[16:04] <tomreyn> zend0: are you done then?
[16:04] <zend0> No
[16:04] <BugzBunny> wiq: Get rid of it, if you can find something better
[16:05] <tomreyn> !ops zend0
[16:05] <tomreyn> !ops
[16:05] <BugzBunny> wiq: IF you cannot
[16:05] <BugzBunny> wiq: What doesn't work?
[16:05] <zend0> I still want to install Ubuntu because I'm tired of running Windows
[16:05] <zend0> That was my whole point
[16:05] <Tm_T> zend0: please be nice to others, no need to go personal then
[16:05] <zend0> Windows 10 came preloaded with Windows that is issue number one
[16:06] <zend0> Issue number two: can't switch to legacy in BIOS
[16:06] <tomreyn> wiq: it will, once you've rebooted.
[16:06] <zend0> Issue number three; GRUB2 freezing during installation
[16:06] <zend0> Issue number four: Windows
[16:07] <wiq> tomreyn, thanks a lot :)
[16:07] <zend0> I was stupid enough to think that if you try to turn on Legacy mode in command prompt in Windows it would work
[16:07] <zend0> Does anyone know what the latest InsydeHD version is?
[16:08] <zend0> I have InsydeHD20 1.9 or something
[16:08] <zend0> But there must be a version like 6.05 like you have on a Toshiba
[16:08] <zend0> Is there a higher version of insydeHD BIOS?
[16:09] <zend0> And is there a ROM for?
[16:09] <tomreyn> zend0: this channel is really just for ubuntu support, but you can ask those questions on #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:09] <zend0> Shut up mate
[16:09] <zend0> It is a UB issue
[16:09] <zend0> Hoe many times do I have to repeat it's annoying
[16:09] <zend0> How**
[16:09] <simonizor> lol
[16:10] <simonizor> If you're messing with your BIOS, Ubuntu is taken out of th equation
[16:10] <zend0> Like I can't install the GarUB2 package because it freezes everything
[16:10] <zend0> Never messed with BIOS first of all
[16:10] <zend0> Left everything as it was
[16:10] <simonizor> I would hope GarUB2 freezes on install; don't think that exists :P
[16:10] <zend0> Secure boot on, f12 boot on nothing is changed or messed with.
[16:10] <zend0> It doss.
[16:10] <zend0> Does*
[16:10] <simonizor> Turn off secure boot
[16:11] <zend0> Right now I'm glad you said that and there comes a issue.
[16:11] <BugzBunny> zend0: You destroying for people who might need help
[16:11] <zend0> The issue with Acer and turning off secure boot is that it does not turn off.
[16:11] <BugzBunny> Please
[16:11] <zend0> Even if it says that it is off.
[16:11] <simonizor> Then sounds like you should probably talk to Acer
[16:11] <zend0> You need to get in to legacy mode and trust the UEFI file.
[16:11] <zend0> But I can't get in to legacy mode
[16:11] <zend0> Once you have trusted the file you can basically turn off secure boot.
[16:12] <BugzBunny> I don't like sending people to off room that they will never get help
[16:12] <Guest30401> can anyone tell me what this means: bash: 0: can't open while systemctl list-jobs | grep -v friendly-recovery | g rep -q running: do-sleep 0;2; done
[16:12] <simonizor> It means your syntax sucks
[16:12] <zend0> I guess talking to Acer is one yes.  My background loads but it's dim on the bottom and top. It might be the gdm page but since my laptop screen is broken I can't see the login or if it's loaded the desktop
[16:15] <zend0> I'd rather stay with 16.04 LTS always did only on my Toshiba where Linux does work
[16:15] <zend0> >:(
[16:16] <_Strix_> hi
[16:16] <zend0> Look like Toshiba and the older Acer laptop models from 2009 do support Linux
[16:16] <_Strix_> BugzBunny,
[16:16] <tomreyn> JAX: how did you login previously then?
[16:16] <zend0> And Acer in 2018 does not
[16:16] <zend0> Don't blame you for not liking Acer Tom mate
[16:17] <simonizor> JAX: seems like a bad idea.  18.04 is less than a month away
[16:17] <JAX> I had it set to not require login and then disabled the laptop screen.
[16:17] <simonizor> And 17.10 will become unsupported
[16:17] <JAX> yeah, now I know
[16:17] <zend0> But I have a old model Acer from 2008 here and there I can install it on but I will need to buy a USB keyboard
[16:17] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: You problem solve?
[16:17] <zend0> Because the keys don't work anymore
[16:17] <simonizor> There's also beta releases of 18.04 you can use that will bump you to the actual release when ti comes out
[16:17] <_Strix_> No bro
[16:17] <tomreyn> in case anyone else feels like ignoring zend0's off-topic chat, this command will do it: /ignore zend0
[16:17] <zend0> Shut up matw
[16:17] <zend0> Mate
[16:17] <zend0> It is still ubuntu related
[16:18] <simonizor> zend0: shove it :P
[16:18] <R13ose> Mate
[16:18] <zend0> Your chatting is irrelevajt
[16:18] <zend0> Shut uonsimon
[16:18] <zend0> Irrelevant*****
[16:18] <zend0> Simonizor*
[16:18] <simonizor> lol
[16:18] <zend0> But yeah
[16:18] <simonizor> But yeah
[16:18] <simonizor> Your issue is with Acer
[16:18] <simonizor> Go talk to them
[16:18] <_Strix_> BugzBunny, The VPS was given to me by an Executive in my company. Before telling them to check the issue with them, I need to confirm something.
[16:19] <zend0> So i have a 2008 laptop where Ubuntu is still able to install on would it be worth to put it on that one?
[16:19] <zend0> Because it only has 2GB of RAM
[16:19] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What was it? I remember, contact the VPS
[16:19] <zend0> 3GB of RAM**
[16:19] <tomreyn> JAX: do you have nvidia graphics there?
[16:19] <zend0> And old processor
[16:19] <zend0> Any ideas?
[16:19] <JAX> is there a way to force disable laptop screen so from tty?
[16:19] <BugzBunny> You can do that JAX
[16:19] <BugzBunny> DPM
[16:20] <simonizor> _Strix_: There's no way that VPS should have that kernel version; talk to the person who provided the VPS to you
[16:20] <_Strix_> Could you please confirm that the kernel 4.13 is not fully supported by Ubuntu 14.04.5
[16:20] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: He can do that but I don't commands
[16:20] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: You can turn of the screen from command line
[16:20] <zend0> Wait
[16:20] <simonizor> _Strix_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:20] <_Strix_> simonizor, ok I will ask them.
[16:20] <simonizor> That shows you that the latest kernel 14.04 supports is 4.4
[16:21] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: ok
[16:21] <zend0> Look at this old piece of junk
[16:21] <zend0> https://gyazo.com/8b098abf32e49e6c6afcc77913ac353c
[16:21] <zend0> Looks bad
[16:22] <JAX> when it's on the dimmed screen with my background sometimes the mouse doesn't work even though it's powered
[16:22] <zend0> https://gyazo.com/8b098abf32e49e6c6afcc77913ac353c
[16:22] <zend0> Bad shape laptop
[16:23] <_Strix_> Guys, If I download the ISO of Ubuntu 14.04.5 available as of now, and install it. What will be the kernel version?
[16:23] <tomreyn> _Strix_: 4.4
[16:24] <JAX> Problems: dimmed background with nothing (no login screen or desktop loads) so I can't tell if I'm at login or desktop. On some boots the usb pepherials don't work
[16:24] <JAX> no context menu shows up when I right click
[16:24] <_Strix_> The kernel version of my VPS is 4.13.13-4-pve
[16:25] <simonizor> _Strix_: Contact your VPS provider and tell them they are giving you a kernel that is unsupported in 14.04
[16:25] <tomreyn> _Strix_: what do you mean to say with this?
[16:26] <designbybeck3> What is the best way to manage a custom install list of program? I did try to write up a script of some of the popular programs we wanted installed on these public access computers. I just typed up a google doc with added ppa's and such and we'd copy and paste that to the other machines to make sure they all have the same
[16:26] <BugzBunny>  _Strix_ Okay
[16:26] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: It's a pretty good Kernel
[16:26] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What isn't working?
[16:26] <_Strix_> So, it is an unsupported kernel?
[16:27] <BugzBunny> For Ubuntu
[16:27] <simonizor> designbybeck3: sudo apt install -y $(cat ./install-list)
[16:27] <BugzBunny> Yes
[16:27] <_Strix_> for 14.04.5
[16:27] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: I know PVE
[16:27] <tomreyn> _Strix_: not supported by us here, nor by Canonical. but maybe by someone else.
[16:27] <simonizor> Where `./install-list` has packages separated by a single space
[16:27] <JAX> What time is usually the best time for support? Is 17.10 still supported?
[16:27] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What is not working?
[16:27] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: how many computers are there?
[16:28] <jluc> 17.10 is most recent jax
[16:28] <designbybeck3> 3 right now tomreyn....maybe up to 10 if we get the laptops working
[16:28] <JAX> cool. Can I get support for my issue directly from cononical?
[16:28] <_Strix_> It is in here, https://pastebin.com/m9dFQa8g
[16:29] <simonizor> designbybeck3: I'd just list the packages in a file and use the method above to install them
[16:29] <simonizor> Any automated method provided by apt does not work well
[16:29] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you're saying "public access computers", i guess then it would be nice to have them reinstalled regularly / on the push of a button?
[16:29] <simonizor> Packages that are installed by apt's automatic method lose the ability to track their dependencies well
[16:29] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Right
[16:29] <_Strix_> I will be back in a moment
[16:29] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Sorry, for specific problem
[16:29] <_Strix_> Let me ask them about the VPS
[16:29] <BugzBunny> With that
[16:30] <BugzBunny> You going get KVM
[16:30] <BugzBunny> Not openVZ
[16:30] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: simonizor this is along the lines of what I've done https://hastebin.com/jaturohaja.md
[16:30] <designbybeck3> also this: https://hastebin.com/imihuwipov.cs
[16:30] <simonizor> I would just keep doing that
[16:30] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Sorry, I CAN'T YOU with that, BECAUSE it's impossible
[16:30] <simonizor> An install script is a good method here
[16:30] <tomreyn> JAX: there's the ubuntu advantage offer where i think you're entitled to support. do a web search or look for it on canonical.com
[16:31] <simonizor> The methods that apt provides for installing packages autmoatically do not work well
[16:31] <hggdh> simonizor: ?
[16:31] <hggdh> simonizor: apt works quite well
[16:31] <hggdh> and does take care of dependencies
[16:31] <simonizor> The only method I'm aware of makes the installed packages lose their ability to track their deps
[16:31] <designbybeck3> ok. Thanks! I'm trying to learn to be more treamline down the road....but I'll just start with the basics!
[16:31] <simonizor> hggdh: Not at all what I'm talking about
[16:32] <designbybeck3> streamline
[16:32] <designbybeck3> hmmm
[16:32] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: your script lacks error handling, but other than that that's what i would do, too. i'd probably integrate it tino a preseed file to also be able to deploy systems from scratch on demand.
[16:32] <JAX> tomreyn: oh you have to pay, that sucks, where else can I get support for my issue?
[16:33] <designbybeck3> that sounds good as well tomreyn thanks
[16:33] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you could also be using puppet or ansible or salt or chef to automate this more and also apply configuration customizations on these systems. but based onthe scenario you described so far this would be overkill.
[16:34] <designbybeck3> yeah I'd like to learn those advanced stuff, but don't have the skills at the moment.
[16:34] <tomreyn> JAX: besides here, there's also ubuntuforums and aksubuntu.com
[16:35] <BugzBunny> askubuntu.com
[16:35] <designbybeck3> are these the same "add-apt-repository" vs "apt-add-repository"
[16:36] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: to get you started with error checking, "echo $?" returns the exit code of the latest command. exit codes other than 0 are considered errors.
[16:36] <rares> hi
[16:36] <tomreyn> thanks for fixing my typo, BugzBunny
[16:37] <JAX> what's a good time to get support? It's pretty late here in Australia, and I want to get this fixed before bed.
[16:37] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: so on my bash script I'd put the echo $? at the end of each line?
[16:37] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: run "readlink -f" against them
[16:37] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: I was thinking he might literal type that site
[16:37] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: And it doesn't work
[16:37] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: yes, thanks
[16:38] <hggdh> JAX: it really varies. I guess EU/US hours are better, and Mon-FRI even more
[16:38] <rares> how can I install LXDE on ubuntu?
[16:38] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you can also do somehting like this: echo success || echo "echo success' did not succeed
[16:39] <designbybeck3> ok I"ll looking those as well
[16:39] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: which "echo success" will always return exit code 0, if it ever returned a different status code, the part behind the double pipe would kick in
[16:40] <designbybeck3> ah ok
[16:40] <tomreyn> echo success || echo "'echo success' did not succeed"
[16:40] <designbybeck3> so my simple "echo" would be replaced by this success || line
[16:40] <tomreyn> ^ typos fixed
[16:41] <BugzBunny> Whatever was last in II
[16:41] <BugzBunny> ||
[16:41] <zend0> U da best
[16:41] <zend0> Tom
[16:41] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: a better example is: apt-get -y install libreoffice || echo 'libreoffice failed to install'
[16:42] <BugzBunny> The first command have to be zero
[16:42] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: try this with a package that doesn't exist
[16:42] <designbybeck3> ok
[16:42] <BugzBunny> For the second command to execute
[16:43] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/raw/ilecugiyuj
[16:44] <designbybeck3> oops sorry for the no wordwrap there
[16:44] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: If the second command does excute
[16:45] <BugzBunny> Mean the first command failed
[16:45] <designbybeck3> doh!
[16:45] <BugzBunny> Why ask for help designbybeck3 ?
[16:45] <zerorax>  anyone have a guide for adding ubiquity to my rootfs and making it a live usb installer?
[16:45] <designbybeck3> because I'm trying to learn BugzBunny
[16:45] <_Strix_> Ok guys I have sent a mail to him regarding the concern.
[16:45] <_Strix_> Thank you for your help.
[16:45] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: doh! is terrible response
[16:46] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: yes this looks fine, except for the typographical quotation marks, those wont work
[16:46] <designbybeck3> shows that I didn't comprehend what I thought I did
[16:46] <xgpt> hello can someone say "xgpt" without the quotes, I'm testing my irc software
[16:47] <designbybeck3> Ok thanks for all the feedback folks. I'm going to work on that harder part in trying to figure out what all we want and don't want now!!! ;)
[16:47] <compdoc> xgpt
[16:47] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: good luck. :) also consider logging to a file using output redirection.
[16:48] <designbybeck3> tomreyn:  like  >> installlog.txt
[16:49] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: make that: &>> installlog.txt
[16:49] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: As if I thought you were idiot
[16:49] <zend0> https://imgur.com/gallery/IOdY6
[16:49] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: I didn't judge you
[16:50] <zend0> Look peeps
[16:50] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you want to catch both output streams, stedout and stderr
[16:50] <zend0> Got eem
[16:50] <BugzBunny> With that said, I tried you command
[16:50] <BugzBunny> There was not bash error
[16:50] <BugzBunny> Most apt-get error
[16:51] <designbybeck3> ah!... I haven't used this in about 3 years...so that is why I need to check what all packages we want. I have always found it best to get things like Kdenlive from their most updated PPA for the best features and stabliity
[16:51] <BugzBunny> Actually it was my end
[16:51] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: actually "doh! is terrible response" sounded like judging to me.
[16:51] <BugzBunny> It was my end
[16:51] <BugzBunny> Give me a sec
[16:52] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: I mean judging him
[16:52] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: Don't care he juddying me
[16:52] <designbybeck3> I was thinking of a custom distro like UbuntuStudio that lets you check box what you want at install if you didn't need , say, desktop publishing items
[16:52] <BugzBunny> or she
[16:52] <SomeDamnBody> Hey, I need to get a version of libffi with debug symbols
[16:53] <SomeDamnBody> And the problem is that I have libffi6-dbg installed, but that doesn't mean that the file at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so has debug symbols
[16:53] <SomeDamnBody> How do I custom build libffi so that I can get those debug symbols?
[16:54] <BugzBunny> E: Package 'celestia-gnome' has no installation candidate
[16:54] <BugzBunny> The second command won't run
[16:54] <BugzBunny> Also, that's OR not AND
[16:55] <lupineay> I need some help with sound in ubuntu..the sound card crashes i guess..the spot on the settings where it says play sound through goes blank and apps can't play sound but i can restart pulseaudio and it can work for a while...I've even tried load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,3 adding this to the default.pa in pulseaudio..I have a PCH [HDA Intel PCH] I also ading some recommded changes to alsa but it
[16:55] <lupineay> seems to crash after a period of time..any ideas??
[16:55] <BugzBunny> The second will run
[16:55] <BugzBunny> Because it's a OR
[16:56] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: My bash skills sucks
[16:56] <BugzBunny> I don't why you want that logic
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> BugzBunny: easy on the enter button please
[16:57] <BugzBunny> K
[16:58] <BugzBunny> lotuspsychje: You staff in this room?
[16:58] <secretmessage> I need sudo to copy files from my home to a USB hard disk?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> BugzBunny: join #ubuntu-discuss for other chat then ubuntu support please
[16:59] <BugzBunny> lotuspsychje: You signed the code of coduct?
[16:59] <hggdh> secretmessage: if you own the files, and your userId can write to the USB, no
[16:59] <hggdh> BugzBunny: please keep to support
[16:59] <BugzBunny> I like to know who is staff?
[16:59] <secretmessage> hggdh: I don't see the usb hard disk when I do df -h
[16:59] <secretmessage> I think it is not mounted
[17:00] <hggdh> secretmessage: then you need to mount it
[17:00] <hggdh> secretmessage: but, to see what is mounted, use 'mount', not 'df'
[17:02] <BugzBunny> hggdh: Have you signed the code of conduct?
[17:03] <hggdh> BugzBunny: not a support question. Please keep to support, or go #ubuntu-discuss
[17:04] <hggdh> BugzBunny: but, since this applies to all: usage of the channel implies acceptance of the CoC
[17:05] <BugzBunny> hggdh: If you didn't sign the code of conduct, who give you that authority ?
[17:05] <hggdh> BugzBunny: last warning. Please keep to support or go elsewhere
[17:06] <BugzBunny> So, you signed the code of conduct then
[17:06] <mirak> h
[17:06] <mirak> I can't do drag and drop in nautilus on aardvark
[17:06] <mirak> is that a bug ?
[17:07] <mirak> on gnomeshell
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> mirak: drag n drop what to what?
[17:07] <mirak> lotuspsychje, anything
[17:07] <mirak> if i didn't specify
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> mirak: tell us what happens when you drag a file into a folder and release mousebutton?
[17:09] <ramkamx> greetings
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: welcome, how can we help you?
[17:09] <ramkamx> i'm looking for a way to simulate a hard disk :-)
[17:10] <mirak> I click on the file icon, it highlights, stayclicked, then drag it, and it won't come
[17:10] <ramkamx> like a honeypot sort of