[07:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:06] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:15] <jibel> morning all
[07:20] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:25] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut jibel
[07:28] <jamesh> tkamppeter: I gave some feedback on your CUPS thread here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/interface-request-cups-control-on-cups-snap-and-including-d-bus/15233/12?u=jamesh
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:46] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:49] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:25] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:26] <didrocks> hello oSoMoN
[09:02] <Laney> yo yo yo
[09:06] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[09:11] <Laney> moin didrocks seb128
[09:13] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you today?
[09:15] <Laney> alright, I stood outside in the sun for five minutes this morning
[09:15] <Laney> next door's cat came to say hi
[09:16] <Laney> this is life atm
[09:16] <Laney> you?
[09:18] <duflu> Morning Laney and seb128
[09:19] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, salut seb128
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, I'm good, just adventured a trip to the local supermarket to get some stock
[09:22] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[09:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, salut, en forme ?
[09:22] <Laney> guten morgen duflu und oSoMoN
[09:22] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[09:22] <Laney> indiana seb128 jones with that trip
[09:23] <duflu> seb128, dazed by a few windowing regressions in 3.36.0 that came from the icon fade fix. Just doing final testing of the new fix now though
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, :)
[09:23] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:23] <seb128> duflu, :-/
[09:23] <seb128> duflu, I guess you didn't have time for plymouth then?
[09:24] <duflu> seb128, that's less of a priority but it will be this week
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, do you remember how you used the fsck mock in systemd?
[09:24] <seb128> I tried (bionic and focal) to sudo plymouthd --no-daemon --debug
[09:24] <seb128> and sudo ./fsck
[09:25] <seb128> but the splash screen doesn't display anything
[09:25] <seb128> I wonder if that was already broken in bionic?
[09:25] <seb128> or that way to start plymouth manually in debug is different from the boot mode
[09:25] <seb128> but it's weird because it shows the same screen and displaying message or the ask password entry works...
[09:36] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va, et toi?
[09:36] <seb128> oSoMoN, ça va bien :)
[09:39] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[09:42] <seb128> hey Wimpress, how are you?
[09:45] <Wimpress> All fine here.
[09:45] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[09:45] <Wimpress> Typically, wonderful weather now we're confined to quarters.
[09:45] <Wimpress> duflu: Hi
[09:46] <Wimpress> Any luck debugging Plymouth?
[09:46] <duflu> Wimpress, no time for that today. Had to fix some issues in the new gnome-shell
[09:46] <oSoMoN> morning Wimpress
[09:46] <duflu> But will get back to plymouth this week
[09:47] <Wimpress> duflu: Understood.
[09:47] <Wimpress> OSoMoN o/
[09:47] <Wimpress> How is everyone? All well?
[09:51] <seb128> doing well indeed!
[09:52] <seb128> Wimpress, did you have a chance to try if you could see the fsck integration working? I tried on bionic with a force check and the mock didrocks pointed me at and it doesn't work here, I wonder if that's a local issue or if that has been not working for several cycles now
[10:03] <chihchun> Laney: ping
[10:04] <Laney> chihchun: eeeeek sorry
[10:04] <Laney> I'll be with you in a minute!
[10:07] <duflu> seb128, one thing I did not try yet was an older release than eoan
[10:07] <duflu> Although I should get dinner sorted instead of restarting on plymouth
[10:08] <seb128> duflu, hey, enjoy your evening! I tried on bionic without luck so far :-/
[10:09] <duflu> Oh that is odd
[10:09] <didrocks> seb128: IIRC, I was replacing the binary on the system and just call it via systemd-fsckd or directly on boot
[10:10] <didrocks> calling directly fsck won’t work because you miss the part which forward to plymouth
[10:10] <seb128> didrocks, ah. What do you mean by "call it via systemd-fsckd"? do you remember how one does that?
[10:11] <duflu> seb128, the only visual evidence I can find of it working last (Google Images) was 10.04 :)
[10:11] <didrocks> been some years, I don’t remember, let’s look at systemd autopkgtests
[10:12] <didrocks> (debian/tests/systemd-fsckd)
[10:12] <didrocks> the autopkgtests install fsck
[10:12] <didrocks> and reboots
[10:12] <duflu> Make that 12.10 and 14.04
[10:13] <didrocks> which is the easiest way to test
[10:13] <seb128> didrocks, I'm reading that autopkgtest as well now
[10:13] <didrocks> I remember to have run it directly while iterating
[10:14] <didrocks> but I don’t remember anymore how to do it easily, it was tricky because plymouth itself wasn’t showing the splash reliably at the time
[10:14] <seb128> yeah, plymouthd --no-daemon --debug doesn't work on my xenial
[10:14] <seb128> it sends me to a vt
[10:15] <seb128> works fine nowadays, on bionic/focal though
[10:15] <didrocks> seb128: maybe vm + reboot it easiest?
[10:15] <didrocks> however, I see now that we have /run/initramfs/fsck-root
[10:16] <didrocks> and I have it on my systemd
[10:16] <didrocks> system*
[10:16] <seb128> didrocks, it's slow iteration if you need to login, open text editor again, etc for each try
[10:16] <didrocks> someone added:
[10:16] <didrocks>     if os.path.exists('/run/initramfs/fsck-root'):
[10:16] <didrocks>         print('SKIP: root file system is being checked by initramfs already')
[10:16] <didrocks>         sys.exit(0)
[10:16] <didrocks> to the tests
[10:16] <didrocks> so maybe we are now running fsck on the initramfs without user feedback?
[10:16] <didrocks> (for the root at least)
[10:17] <seb128> that would explain why I'm not seeing anything on plymouth when I do a /forcefsck and reboot
[10:17] <didrocks> yeah
[10:17] <didrocks> I’m sure I didn’t write that, so it’s post our implementation
[10:18] <didrocks> I don’t remember to have seen fsck moving in the initramfs being announced anywhere
[10:18] <didrocks> or the impact to not have feedback discussed
[10:18] <jibel> tkamppeter, hey, printer discovery stopped working in focal and I get this crash https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1868944
[10:20] <didrocks> (this was only for dracut at the time and we didn’t have it)
[10:20] <didrocks> I think one way would be at least to try with a vm with 2 disks
[10:20] <didrocks> (and the mock)
[10:21] <didrocks> at least to remove the "only one disk is skipped" idea
[10:21] <seb128> didrocks, it's unclear to me what the mock is useful for on that case/how to use it?
[10:21] <didrocks> seb128: it’s slowing down the fsck
[10:21] <didrocks> so that you have the time to see it
[10:21] <seb128> didrocks, just forcing a disk check should make it display the events on plymouth through normal system integration?
[10:22] <seb128> ah
[10:22] <didrocks> well slowing down by emulating what fsck prints
[10:22] <didrocks> but yeah, you need to force a check with multiple disks
[10:23] <seb128> didrocks, so how to I set up the mock? replace the systemd binary with the fsck from the test dir?
[10:24] <didrocks> seb128: not the systemd binary, your system fsck
[10:24] <seb128> ah
[10:24] <didrocks> /sbin/fsck
[10:24] <seb128> thx, let me try
[10:25] <didrocks> but yeah, 2 disks at least + /forcefsck
[10:33] <seb128> didrocks, so yeah, the skip was added in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782522
[10:33] <seb128> by Debian
[10:34] <didrocks> ack, so at least if you have multiple disks, the message should still be there
[10:34] <didrocks> for secondary ones
[10:35] <FourDollars> ./whois Laney:
[10:35] <FourDollars> ha
[10:35] <FourDollars> Laney: What do you want to do with oem-qemu-meta?
[10:37] <Laney> :D
[10:37] <Laney> FourDollars: We need a corresponding upload to Ubuntu to point the sources.list to the new archive layout
[10:39] <FourDollars> Laney: OK. What is the next step I can do?
[10:39] <FourDollars> Laney: Make a merge proposal?
[10:40] <Laney> FourDollars: diff / PPA package to upload
[10:40] <Laney> I guess you want to import this into your own vcs too
[10:41] <FourDollars> Laney: OK. Let me import it, make the change and then upload to my Launchpad Git repo.
[10:42] <Laney> thanks!
[10:42] <FourDollars> np
[10:46] <Laney> FourDollars: BTW you don't need to add "XB-Ubuntu-Kernel-Flavour: oem", that is the default
[10:47] <FourDollars> Laney: We want to make it clearer. Will it cause any problem?
[10:47] <Laney> bit of extra space used in the Packages file which is downloaded by everyone
[10:48] <Laney> but not hugely
[10:55] <FourDollars> OK. I will discuss it with others.
[10:59] <FourDollars> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/+git/oem-qemu-meta/+ref/master
[11:01] <Laney> great, thanks, I will look soon
[11:14] <xnox> seb128:  Wimpress: the fsck integration does work with the ubuntu-logo theme..... i can trigger it correctly with e.g. plymouth-x11 in userspace. I guess i need to record videos.
[11:18] <seb128> xnox, would help if you were giving us steps how to test it it, would help also working on fixing spinner
[11:19] <seb128> xnox, same for casper, if you have any debug hint on how to get in an env to be able to hack/iterate
[11:19] <seb128> xnox, also looks like / and /usr checks are done in initramfs nowadays and not showing on plymouth?
[11:20] <Saviq> Trevinho: hey, would that be an issue with the app indicator, or gnome-shell itself https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/1444 ?
[11:20] <gitbot> canonical issue 1444 in multipass "Difficult to navigate to Shell in long list of VMs" [Bug, Open]
[11:20] <xnox> seb128:  yeah, one needs like separate /home
[11:21] <xnox> seb128:  indeed checks for / and /usr are done in the initramfs, but for those too we should have pretty plymouth integration
[11:21]  * xnox is sad
[11:21] <seb128> xnox, 'should' like would be nice to add or like should be working today?
[11:21] <xnox> seb128:  bah =) "should one day" =)
[11:21] <seb128> because touch /forcefsck and reboot displays no fsck integration on bionic for me
[11:21] <seb128> k
[11:22] <seb128> xnox, so that integration is not working in most cases, I wouldn't consider the regression rc
[11:22] <xnox> seb128:  it should be there for the initrd-less boot right
[11:22]  * xnox ponders things
[11:22] <xnox> seb128:  but the casper one should work.
[11:22] <seb128> yes
[11:22] <seb128> the theme does support messages
[11:22] <xnox> seb128:  cause the casper integrety check uses the same fsck:*status messages
[11:22] <seb128> if I plymoutd --no-daemon --debug
[11:22] <xnox> which are not shown in spinner theme
[11:22] <seb128> and ssh to the box use plymouth --message it does display the string
[11:23] <xnox> one can run casper thing from userspace without booting anything, on a devel laptop, I'll take some videos
[11:23] <seb128> xnox, do you have any debugging hint how to test the fsck/md5 integration?
[11:23] <seb128> like start plymouth by end
[11:23] <seb128> ssh
[11:24] <seb128> and start the casper script?
[11:25] <xnox> pull-lp-source casper; make in casper-md5sum; mount iso in /cdrom, and execute ./casper-md5sum /cdrom /cdrom/md5sum.txt  => without plymouth that will be just text output
[11:25] <seb128> xnox, thx, that's useful
[11:25] <xnox> if one starts X11 plymouth, and controls it from a separate tty, does show spash, and execute casper-md5sum again it would show all the pretty stuff with three lines of messages
[11:26] <xnox> one line with fsck progress, one line with keycodes for skipping the check, and another one for any other messages / final message.
[11:26] <seb128> xnox, is plymouth x11 needed/more useful that real plymouth?
[11:26] <seb128> doing sudo plymouth --no-daemon --debug starts plymouth on a VT
[11:27] <seb128> with a ssh prompt that seems to work fine for debugging
[11:27] <seb128> unsure what else x11 provides?
[11:27] <xnox> seb128:  i like x11 plymouth, as i run it direct on my development laptop / host, without booting any VMs.
[11:27] <xnox> one can do all of that in a VM too using "real" plymouth, and like stopping gdm/gnome-shell over ssh first
[11:27] <xnox> if one prefers to have separate thing.
[11:28] <seb128> xnox, well, what I just described seems to do the same
[11:28] <xnox> i guess preference =) and how one did it first =)
[11:28] <seb128> I do that on my real laptop
[11:28] <seb128> or does x11 does windows mode in session?
[11:28] <xnox> if casper-md5sum can ping plymouth, it will push fsck messages to plymouth, but it doesn't do show-splash byitself, so any connection to any plymouth which is showing splash is good.
[11:29] <xnox> i find x11 backend a bit crap, compared to the DRM one. There is smething with clock synchronisation, one kind of has to wiggle mouse for it to progress.
[11:29] <xnox> besides this.
[11:30] <xnox> seb128:  is there any other patches/updates that i can test? i.e. have there been any gdm / shell / plymouth changes that improve any aspects of flickerness already? I saw some comment updates, but not sure if they are in teh Archive yet.
[11:31] <seb128> xnox, not at this point, only a new logo with better resolution in the archive
[11:31] <xnox> seb128:  cool, and the logo is in gdm, plymouth, or both?
[11:31] <seb128> gdm and plymouth
[11:31] <xnox> nice =)
[11:31]  * xnox should upgrade & reboot
[11:32] <xnox> seb128:  any more visual direction from design/ux/yaru? or more of do whatever?
[11:32] <seb128> xnox, not yet, but Wimpress has a catchup with design tomorrow
[11:32] <xnox> cool cool
[11:33] <seb128> xnox, good, your md5sum testing hint with
[11:33] <seb128> (need to sudo start it though)
[11:33] <seb128> it's going to make easier to debug
[11:33] <seb128> bah
[11:34] <seb128> xnox, doing that it shows the md5 messages on spinner/bgrt as well...
[11:35] <seb128> xnox, https://people.canonical.com/~seb128/plymouth/checksum.jpg
[11:36] <seb128> xnox, could it be also a case of files missing from the cache in casper like shutdown?
[11:41] <seb128> xnox, also https://people.canonical.com/~seb128/plymouth/new.jpg
[11:41] <xnox> seb128:  that's incomplete
[11:41] <xnox> there should be three lines
[11:42] <seb128> xnox, I saw the 3 lines earlier
[11:42] <xnox> "checking filepath" "Fsck in progress 1 of 1 (40% complete" "Press S to skip"
[11:42] <seb128> xnox, still it does show one line at least locally so I wonder why on the ISO it doesn't?
[11:42] <xnox> and the first two should smoothly update
[11:43] <xnox> one should always see the correct % progress, the filepath names scrolling, and the keycode message for how to skip if one got bored.
[11:43] <seb128> right, at least it makes easy to test/fix that
[11:43] <seb128> still the liveCD doesn't display anything
[11:43] <seb128> so there is another bug on that env ... any idea how to debug that one? could be missing cache in casper?
[11:45] <xnox> well fsck is on boot; so there shouldn't be anything missing from cache; things might be missing from the initrd. As if incomplete spinner theme copied into the casper initrd or somesuch?!
[11:45] <xnox> i guess again, we need to boot with debug plymouth log to see what is happening.
[11:45] <xnox> plus doesn't spinner theme like "delay" showing splash on boot? or is that a fedora only thing?
[14:16] <tkamppeter> seb128, debian bug 954885
[14:16] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, I saw, you Cc-ed me on the email :)
[14:17] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK, hope they will answer soon.
[14:18] <seb128> tkamppeter, if not I will upload to Ubuntu this week, ok?
[14:18] <tkamppeter> seb128, OK, thanks.
[14:19] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:25] <didrocks> good morning hellsworth
[14:26] <hellsworth> hi didrocks !
[14:34] <mdeslaur> seb128: hi! what regressions were you seeing with webkit2gtk that required the ppc64el fix? I'm wondering if I need it for eoan and bionic too
[14:35] <seb128> mdeslaur, hey, the rendered just segfaulted on ppc64el, couldn't display any page in the MiniBrowser
[14:35] <seb128> mdeslaur, which got caught by the ruby-gnome autopkgtest failing
[14:36] <seb128> mdeslaur, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209236
[14:37] <mdeslaur> seb128: ah! I think I'm hitting that autopkgtest failure too, thanks for the info!
[14:37] <seb128> mdeslaur, np!
[15:02] <ijohnson> hey folks, after an update from focal-proposed this morning, I can no longer scale my monitors using Settings, when I try to hit Apply, gnome-control-c in the system journal complains with `Config not applicable: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Logical monitors overlap` and reverts back to 100% after the timeout (and my monitors are blank during this time)
[15:03] <ijohnson> is this a known bug, or is there something I can do to set the scaling for my monitors some other way? all my text is now very small :-)
[15:09] <ijohnson> (and if it helps I'm on x11 with default gnome window manager)
[15:23] <Trevinho> ijohnson: are you using experimental x11 scaling?
[15:23] <ijohnson> Trevinho: yes I was
[15:23] <ijohnson> well still am, it's just not scaled at all due to the issue I mentioned
[15:24] <Trevinho> ijohnson: yeah... Ok thanks, I'll look into this, there was a rewrite on the xrandr code that may have changed some aspect I wasn't aware of.
[15:24] <Trevinho> need to retry again in multimonitor the
[15:24] <Trevinho> need to retry again in multimonitor then
[15:24] <Trevinho> ijohnson: I suppose it works for you in single mode right?
[15:24] <ijohnson> Trevinho: not sure, let me check
[15:25] <Trevinho> ijohnson: also, do you have some logging from `journalctl /usr/bin/gnome-shell -b0` that may help?
[15:25] <ijohnson> Trevinho: nope still reverts to 100%, even with only one monitor connected
[15:25] <ijohnson> Trevinho: sure one moment I can pastebin it
[15:29] <ijohnson> Trevinho: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Pwyn7b9gHc/
[16:19] <Trevinho> ijohnson: that's weird as I've it working with one monitor locally... mhmhm
[16:20] <ijohnson> Trevinho: also if it makes a difference I am using proprietary nvidia drivers
[16:21] <Trevinho> ijohnson: it might, but it used to work fine with them as well
[16:21] <Trevinho> so... not sure
[16:21] <Trevinho> looks more a logic issue than driver one
[16:22] <ijohnson> happy to provide more debugging info if needed, I'm a bit busy right this moment, but will be more available in an hour or so
[16:22] <Trevinho> ijohnson: this looks to be the issue in your log Failed to read monitors config file '/home/ijohnson/.config/monitors.xml': Logical monitors not adjacent
[16:22] <Trevinho> ijohnson: no worries, open a bug once you've a sec
[16:22] <ijohnson> Trevinho: do you want that file ?
[16:22] <ijohnson> what project should I file the bug against ?
[16:23] <Trevinho> ijohnson: mutter
[16:23] <Trevinho> in ubuntu only though
[16:25] <ijohnson> Trevinho: ack running `apport-bug mutter` now
[16:25] <Trevinho> thanks
[16:26] <xnox> oSoMoN:  hey, firefox re-enabled TLS v1.0/v1.1 because of governments not supporting v1.2 for covid-19 information; have we done that in our firefox now as well? and if not, can we get that uploaded?
[16:29] <ijohnson> Trevinho: reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1869042
[16:34] <oSoMoN> xnox, I'm not seeing any new builds of firefox 74, i wonder how that revert works
[16:34] <JanC> xnox: what governments are that?
[16:35] <xnox> oSoMoN:  let me find that.
[16:36] <xnox> JanC:  i don't know, but Chrome & Firefox rolled back and enabled TLSv1.0/v1.1
[16:36] <xnox> *re-enabled
[16:36] <JanC> maybe they'd better offered help to those governments to fix their servers...  :-/
[16:37] <Trevinho> ijohnson: I've just tried in my focal system with various configurations though, and it all works fine there....
[16:37] <Trevinho> quite weird then, *might* be somewhat related to nvidia but can't be sure
[16:37] <ijohnson> hmm, do you want that monitors.xml file ?
[16:37] <oSoMoN> xnox, that appears to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1623534
[16:37] <Trevinho> yeah, could help
[16:37] <Trevinho> ijohnson: weird that apport didn't attach that
[16:38] <Trevinho> ijohnson: also your gnome-control-center version may make a difference
[16:38] <ijohnson> I'll put it in the bug actually
[16:38] <oSoMoN> xnox, if this is using Normandy, then there's nothing needed on our side, the pref is applied remotely
[16:40] <ijohnson> Trevinho: how do I check the gnome-control-center version ?
[16:40] <ijohnson> (also attached the monitors.xml in the bug)
[16:42] <seb128> ijohnson, dpkg -l | grep gnome-control-center
[16:43] <ijohnson> thanks seb128, Trevinho looks like I have `1:3.36.0-0ubuntu3`
[16:43] <seb128> ijohnson, also a known issue is that sometime the monitors do overlap on the graphical view of the settings panel, did you try to move them to make there they are snapped/correctly aligned?
[16:43] <ijohnson> seb128: yes I tried to move them around to make them snap together/correctly aligned
[16:43] <ijohnson> (in the settings window that is)
[16:43] <seb128> k
[16:46] <xnox> oSoMoN:  I think, yes.
[16:46] <xnox> oSoMoN:  what is Normandy? =)
[16:46] <xnox> oSoMoN:  i thought there was code fix too on tip, for when normandy is not involved, such that we can out of the box be correct too.
[16:48] <oSoMoN> xnox, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Normandy/PreferenceRollout
[16:52] <xnox> hm
[16:52] <xnox> oSoMoN:  I'm reading this https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commit/506fbc64931400548cfaa88b552cbe1d99562fdd
[16:52] <xnox> so it set security.tls.version.min to 3 only in nightly builds; but it remained as 1 in release builds?
[16:53] <xnox> such that switch to v1.2 as minimum, in release, was only done via Normandy, and reverted in Normandy, right?
[16:54] <xnox> oSoMoN:  because in our firefox, I see that: pref("security.tls.version.min", 3); in ./modules/libpref/init/all.js meaning we have tls v1.0/v1.1 disabled
[17:01] <oSoMoN> xnox, no, it was set to 3 in release builds, and that's the default value we ship, but normandy overrides it with 1
[17:01] <oSoMoN> just tested in a bionic VM, the value is initially 3, but gets overridden to 1
[17:02] <oSoMoN> (use about:config to inspect the value)
[17:07] <xnox> oSoMoN:  it should be initially 1
[17:07] <xnox> oSoMoN:  can we patch that? (i.e. such that if one cannot talk to normandy, but can talk to whitlisted gov.* websites, tls v1.0/v1.1 is enabled, and it works correctly)
[17:08] <xnox> oSoMoN:  shall i file a bug for it?
[17:11] <oSoMoN> xnox, normandy is an essential component of firefox's preferences system, if one cannot talk to it that's bad luck but I don't think that warrants rebuilding firefox and pushing updates for everyone
[17:12] <oSoMoN> at the very least this would require a report of such a thing actually happening in the wild
[17:20] <xnox> oSoMoN:  we will rebuild firefox right? so how can this change be staged for the next rebuild of firefox?
[17:20] <xnox> i'll open a bug report.
[17:22] <oSoMoN> xnox, we will rebuild if there's a new point release, or when 75 is released, but we shouldn't change the default value from upstream, because if/when they decide to switch it back via normandy, the default value should match with their expectation
[18:00] <xnox> oSoMoN:  ok. I wonder if i can find the source code for the 74 branch, to see what they have committed upstream.
[18:13] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, I have pushed the firefox branches
[18:13] <ricotz> oSoMoN, the python3 port should be good for 76
[18:14] <ricotz> oSoMoN, did we agree on targetting nasm 2.14 for 75 already? I haven't transitioned bionic yet, this can be done with beta 9
[18:39] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yeah, that's fine by me
[18:41] <oSoMoN> good night all
[20:14] <kenvandine> hellsworth: amd64 build of gnome-3-34-1804-sdk is in candidate


[04:09] <johnny_> hi, anybody here worked with openoffice.org and using twinview or xinerama?
[04:09] <johnny_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/181819
[04:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181819 in openoffice.org "SlideShow displays on 2 screens in dual-head system" [Undecided,New]
[04:09] <johnny_> i see that bug there
[04:09] <johnny_> is there a way around using sun's binaries?
[10:11] <d_rwin> stray error while compiling c prog help ; problem with keyboard layout (double quote)
[19:18] <praktora>  i am trying to install the latest ubuntu and i am getting this error Loading hardware drivers...error receiving uevent message: No buffer space available  can anyone help ?
[19:21] <johnny> try in #ubuntu
[20:19] <johnny> anybody here used a presentation remote with ubuntu?
[20:19] <johnny> i must be missing something in xorg.conf
[20:19] <LaserJock> what do you mean by remote?
[20:22] <johnny> uhmm.. a lil box with buttons :)
[20:23] <johnny> that you hold in your hands
[20:39] <LaserJock> johnny: I know, but I'm trying to figure out what kind, etc.
[20:39] <LaserJock> my remote works fine without doing anything ... at all
[20:40] <LaserJock> which of course isn't any help to you
[21:16] <johnny> LaserJock, but do you have an xorg.conf ?
[21:17] <johnny> i had to write one manually to set up gutsy to do multi monitor with a projector the way i wanted
[21:19] <LaserJock> I do have an xorg.conf
[21:19] <ogra_cmpc> does anyne feel the urgent need for a meeting ? (20:00 UTC was scheduled today if im not wrong (fridge seems broken))
[21:19] <LaserJock> as far as I know that had nothing to do with my remote
[21:20] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I don't know that we need a meeting per se
[21:20] <LaserJock> is RichEd around?
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> no idea, havent seen him today
[21:21] <ogra_cmpc> and i'm pretty tired, my first meeting usually starts at 6:00 UTC now so if there is nothing pressing ....
[21:21] <LaserJock> I do want to get https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/HardyRequirements fixed up
[21:21] <LaserJock> that would probably be the only item I'd put forward
[21:22] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: did you need to change the seeds with the tuxpaint changes?
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> handbook isnt installe danymore, right ?
[21:22] <LaserJock> yep
[21:22] <LaserJock> so it's just getting down what we need to write before release
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> npe, the packages were all listed already
[21:22] <LaserJock> ah, k
[21:22] <johnny> the device worked before i made my own xorg.conf :)
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> should be fine
[21:22] <johnny> what driver does it use?
[21:23] <LaserJock> I saw that tuxpaint and tuxpaint-data was, I didn't know about tuxpaint-stamps-default
[21:23] <LaserJock> johnny: I have no idea, it just works so I didn't mess with it ;-)
[21:23] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i'm likely responsible fr the install doc
[21:23] <johnny> i'm having trouble finding info :(
[21:24] <ogra_cmpc> the skeletn i wrote seems to be successfully used already
[21:24] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: nixternal (I think) and I were thinking of trying to get a wiki/html version of the handbook up
[21:24] <ogra_cmpc> our users are clever enough to search the wiki \o/
[21:24] <LaserJock> on www.edubuntu.org
[21:24] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[21:24] <ogra_cmpc> bu there is no real pressue to do that on release day
[21:25] <LaserJock> yeah, as long as we have the content and it's organized wiki and/or www.edubuntu.org should work well
[21:25] <LaserJock> I think we really only need 2 thing on release day
[21:25] <LaserJock> 1) install docs, you got that covered I think
[21:25] <LaserJock> 2) changes from Gutsy/Feisty. basically good release notes
[21:26] <ogra_cmpc> well, its only a skeleton yet
[21:26] <LaserJock> k
[21:26] <ogra_cmpc> needs screenshots and some flesh
[21:26] <ogra_cmpc> and generally the advice about rebuilding the chroot on upgrades
[21:27] <LaserJock> right
[21:27] <ogra_cmpc> (for ltsp servers)
[21:28]  * ogra_cmpc prays to the gods of diskspace that this classmate install suceeds


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[02:37] <wallyworld> hpidcock: "juju-run python3" doesn't work with upgrade-charm PR
[02:37] <wallyworld> so still something to follow up on
[02:51] <hpidcock> wallyworld: can you link me the charm you are using and how you are deploying it please on the bug
[02:52] <wallyworld> will do, just reviewing PR, and also have a zoom meeting at 1 so after that
[02:52] <wallyworld> it's just my mariadb-k8s charm
[02:56] <thumper> babbageclunk, wallyworld: just thinking... does backup work with k8s controllers? And if so, do we have any idea how we're going to restore?
[02:56] <thumper> I was thinking about this when thinking about mongo 4.0 restore
[02:57] <babbageclunk> thumper: I haven't tried backup on a k8s controller
[02:57] <wallyworld> backup should work. restore no, falls into the HA category for next cycle
[02:57] <thumper> wallyworld: have you discussed with babbageclunk the mongo 4.0 restore question?
[02:58] <wallyworld> yes
[02:58] <babbageclunk> Was trying to think about how k8s restore would work - the core restore is the same, but the stuff around the outside (stopping and starting agents and rewriting configs) is all different
[02:58] <wallyworld> exasctly
[02:58]  * thumper nods
[02:58] <thumper> probably want to have a check somewhere
[02:58] <thumper> to say "sorry"
[02:59] <babbageclunk> yeah true - I'll add that
[02:59] <babbageclunk> I mean, it'll be hard to follow the directions anyway - you can't scp the backup and juju-restore to the controller machine
[03:00] <thumper> :)
[03:00] <thumper> yeah... we'll need another whole set of instructions for restoring a k8s controller
[03:43] <thumper> babbageclunk: any thoughts on the last comment in this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1858693
[03:43] <mup> Bug #1858693: ANARCHY!!!!!!! Entirely leaderless application spotted in the wild <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1858693>
[03:46] <babbageclunk> thumper: yeah - that sounds like an entirely different problem. (Or I guess the same symptoms caused by something totally different.)
[03:46]  * thumper nods
[03:46] <babbageclunk> thumper: reading some code...
[03:46] <thumper> why would it timeout enqueing?
[03:47] <babbageclunk> I think that's coming from the raft apply command - presumably the raft engine loop is blocked somehow?
[03:47] <thumper> hmm...
[05:06] <tlm> hpidcock: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11443 if you got 5 minutes
[05:08] <hpidcock> sure
[05:09] <tlm> wallyworld: got time for HO ?
[05:12] <wallyworld> tlm: just finishing a PR, give me 5
[05:13] <tlm> ll
[05:13] <tlm> kk
[05:15] <wallyworld> hpidcock: finally +1 on PR. i think we'll need a followup to deal with the new local attributes and controller state
[05:16] <wallyworld> tlm: ready for HO now if you're free
[05:17] <tlm> k
[05:17] <wallyworld> hang on, stupid 2fa etc
[05:23] <hpidcock> wallyworld: the local state attributes are resolver local state not operation local state. Resolver local state is not saved.
[05:27] <wallyworld> hpidcock: ah no worries
[06:07] <hpidcock> wallyworld: when you have a spare two seconds https://github.com/juju/juju-db-snap/pull/1
[06:07] <wallyworld> sure
[06:08] <wallyworld> hpidcock: so 4.0.18 was officially the latest?
[06:08] <wallyworld> and AGPL not SSL?
[06:08] <hpidcock> yep, but either we choose 17 or 18 and need to test it
[06:09] <hpidcock> its confusing because SSL is the mongo license but we include both mongo and mongo-tools (which is apache)
[06:09] <wallyworld> yeah
[06:09] <wallyworld> IANAL :-)
[06:10] <hpidcock> well the charm itself has a license
[06:10] <hpidcock> sorry the snap
[06:10] <hpidcock> the snap code is under whatever license we want
[06:10] <wallyworld> tup, just about to say that
[06:11] <hpidcock> technically the snap contains more than just mongo stuff
[06:11] <hpidcock> openssl etc
[08:05] <stickupkid> manadart, I got it working, just wrapping up the tests for a review
[08:19] <stickupkid> here is a casual observation, if you're creating mocks for anything outside of your package, but within juju, then you're doing it wrong
[08:27] <manadart> stickupkid: Will look in a mo'. OTP with thumper.
[08:27] <achilleasa> stickupkid: any interesting examples of this happening?
[08:28] <stickupkid> achilleasa, as in, doing it badly (got lots of those), doing it well, not so much
[08:28] <achilleasa> stickupkid: more interested in the doing it badly ;-)
[08:30] <stickupkid> achilleasa, anything to do with networking common, model backend...
[08:32] <stickupkid> achilleasa, if you're taking on a bigger interface from somewhere else, then you're tied to every other place that uses it. You know longer have a vertical boundary and are locked stepped to that other component/entity etc.
[08:35] <achilleasa> stickupkid: ah, so you are basically talking about dupping (or defining a restricted version of it) the interface in your package and mocking that?
[08:37] <stickupkid> achilleasa, yeap
[08:37] <stickupkid> achilleasa, my usual spiel
[09:52] <manadart> stickupkid: You can get 3 shims down to 2 by pushing the raw state shim into environs/space like this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/fRT68XZhSQ/
[09:52] <manadart> But that damn modelmanager backend is a bastard.
[09:53] <stickupkid> manadart, yeah, I've not got there yet, as I'm writing tests for spaces reload API
[09:53] <stickupkid> manadart, I've got rid of my horrid life hack as well, which has made me really happy
[09:54] <elox> Good morning/evening.
[09:55] <elox> I've bumped into a problem I can't understand if it is a bug or something I can resolve for myself. I've sent a discourse post about it here: https://discourse.juju.is/t/error-cert-pool-creation-failed-cannot-parse-certificate/2927  ... hope to get some help on it so I can get back my controller.
[09:56] <elox> In short, I get this: "ERROR cert pool creation failed: cannot parse certificate..."
[09:57] <elox> Followed by...... asn1: syntax error: data truncated
[10:16] <elox> Right, I don't know what has happened. But my resolution to ^ was to remove the controller entry from controller.yaml and then log back in as admin: "juju login -u admin <IP_ADDRESS>:17070 -c snowflake-maas"   After being prompted with a password challenge and a fingerprint accept, the controller is again available to my client.
[10:17] <achilleasa> elox: looks like you were hitting https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/1381
[10:18] <achilleasa> elox:  openssl asn1parse -inform der -strparse 40 -in $yourcert manages to parse the ASN1 data (fails without the strparse flag)
[10:20] <elox> I'll have a look and update my post on discourse.
[10:20] <elox> Thanx!
[10:21] <manadart> achilleasa: Can you review this small one?
[10:21] <manadart> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11445
[10:22] <achilleasa> manadart: looking
[10:23] <elox> @achilleasa: https://discourse.juju.is/t/error-cert-pool-creation-failed-cannot-parse-certificate/2927/2
[10:29] <achilleasa> elox: great that you could get back the controller without having to do any cert surgery ;-)
[10:36] <elox> achilleasa: Yeah, the horror.
[10:39] <stickupkid> manadart, updated in my last commit
[10:39] <elox> Finally I was able to test the latest version of my Nextcloud charm on my own system and feel comfortable releasing it to stable: https://jujucharms.com/u/erik-lonroth/nextcloud/4
[10:40] <manadart> stickupkid: OK.
[13:01] <achilleasa> stickupkid: rick_h proposed change for fixing the weird defaults when parsing charm meta: https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/309
[14:24] <achilleasa> can someone please take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11446?
[15:12] <stickupkid> manadart, ping you now or in the morning about the new stuff?
[15:32] <manadart> stickupkid: Morning.  <- no clippy, NO!
[15:46] <achilleasa> btw, what is the correct command for bootstraping a focal instance?
[15:46] <achilleasa> shouldn't --boostrap-series=focal --force do the trick?
[15:46] <stickupkid> achilleasa, you need --config image-stream=daily
[15:47] <stickupkid> achilleasa, not released yet, so you need to point the image-stream to the right place
[15:47] <achilleasa> aha! thanks
[17:35] <achilleasa> rick_h: got a focal with 4.0.18 from the candidate snap https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kpNNWSQ9VV/. Will work on getting the conf settings through (bit harder since they need to be injected into the agent conf) but should have a PR ready for review by EOD tomorrow
[17:41] <rick_h> achilleasa:  sounds like grat progress ty!
[18:40] <elox> I'm trying to help a friend adding AWS credentials to JAAS, and we can't do it. It complains about a credential tag. https://pasteboard.co/J3Xx4Pr.png
[18:40] <elox> We have been trying to follow the guide, but it simply doesn't work
[18:44] <elox> Can this be related to already existing credentials.yaml for him ?
[19:21] <pmatulis> elox, which guide exactly?


[12:33] <axino> Berge: hello yes that's "expected"
[12:33] <axino> Berge: how did you end up on https://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ out of curiosity ?
[12:35] <Berge> axino: As in ended up on https vs http?
[12:35] <axino> Berge: yes
[12:35] <Berge> Started with somebody pointing out that the country mirror I run didn't have TLS, and it started a discussion on the usefulness of HTTPS on apt mirrors
[12:35] <Berge> This person was busy changing all their apt repo config to https
[12:36] <axino> makes sense
[12:36] <Berge> I got the impression that https://security.ubuntu.com/ used to work
[12:36] <Berge> (no.[ar].u.c now sports TLS.)
[12:37] <ravage> i dont think the Ubuntu position on https is that is it not supported. the exception seems to be esm
[12:37] <ravage> *i do think
[12:38] <ravage> so if you want to be cynical you could call it an enterprise feature :)


[03:42] <hay> I just installed Lubuntu on my Acer laptop. It is giving me an error right after I boot it.
[03:42] <hay> Boot failed
[03:43] <hay> Anything I can do?
[08:53] <Theory> Is there a way to disable the touchpad with lubuntu?
[08:53] <Theory> shit is going crazy everytime my finger gets close to it
[08:56] <Theory> Ah nevermind I got it..syndaemon -d -t
[08:56] <Theory> :)
[10:22] <___Spectre> Hi, the volume slide freezes when I use it to change the volume. is not a driver related issue, just the visualization of the slider doesn't disappear after i clink away from it
[10:22] <___Spectre> (I am using lubuntu 15.10 updated)
[11:39] <alex______> bonjour / hello ?
[14:56] <Rosika> Hello. Can anybody help me? I want to install evernote on my Lubuntu-system (16.04, 64bit). But there are difficulties. Adding "repository ppa:nvbn-rm/ppa" worked alright but nevertheless everpad package could not be found.
[18:34] <screenflashesbla> need help asap
[18:34] <screenflashesbla> all ubuntu systems have a bug on my comp
[18:34] <screenflashesbla> screen flashes black in the middle every 2 seconds, lasts for like a second
[18:35] <screenflashesbla> ATI RADEON 4650 if it helps
[19:11] <zeus__> Hi, i'm having an issue when installing Lubuntu. When I boot into the installer, and click 'install' or 'try without installing', it freezes. I'm using a pretty old PC and wiped the harddrive, so there's no OS on there now. I can run memory test just fine. Model is dell inspiron 1000.


[00:03] <jjohansen> chadhogg: I wish I could tell you, usually if there is a known good point in the past and the problem is due to a single commit
[00:04] <jjohansen> bisecting will find it
[00:04] <jjohansen> there are of course build failures that can mess you up, and disheartening
[00:05] <jjohansen> chadhogg: did you find any kernel to work for you on your bisect?
[00:07] <chadhogg> there was only one that I was able to successfully build, and it exhibited my bug
[00:08] <jjohansen> chadhogg: okay, what range did you do the bisect on?
[00:09] <chadhogg> I couldn't figure out how to translate my working release into a tag, so I did the oldest commit in the log to the head
[00:10] <jjohansen> chadhogg: you don't need to use a tag for git bisect
[00:10] <chadhogg> the midpoint of those lacked a debian/rules file, so I marked it as "good", figuring I could come back and figure out the old build process if I found that my bug went back that far, but that this would be unlikely
[00:10] <jjohansen> you can just give it the hash
[00:10] <chadhogg> rephrase: I didn't know how to translate my working release into a hash
[00:12] <jjohansen> chadhogg: so 2.6.35 succeeds and 2.6.36 fails
[00:12] <chadhogg> yes
[00:12] <chadhogg> wait, no
[00:12] <chadhogg> err, yes
[00:12] <chadhogg> and I mean it this time :)
[00:12] <chadhogg> but the natty source tree has nothing tagged as being part of 2.6.35
[00:13] <jjohansen> right
[00:13] <jjohansen> bisecting our kernels can be a bit of a pain when it comes to crossing releases
[00:14] <jjohansen> you see we rebase to upstream, and start fresh for each new release
[00:15] <jjohansen> chadhogg: what is the hash of the last build failure you have
[00:15] <chadhogg> 974ead458b4832b34ecd8fc71c28e25783683fbd
[00:16] <chadhogg> specifically, due to a function signature mismatch on line 350 of security/yama/yama_lsm.c
[00:17] <chadhogg> I should mention that I made the default selection for all configuration options
[00:17] <jjohansen> right
[00:24] <jjohansen> chadhogg: ugh, you didn't even get into the kernel proper
[00:25] <chadhogg> what does that mean?
[00:26] <jjohansen> chadhogg: hrmm, I would recommend you stop atm, I am about to duck out for abit but when I get back I'll set up a bisect, and build you a kernel to try
[00:27] <chadhogg> thanks; I'll continue idling in here, though the easiest way to communicate might be through my launchpad bug
[00:27] <jjohansen> chadhogg: I mean that you where really just in ubuntu patches that are on top of upstream kernel
[00:27] <jjohansen> chadhogg: sure, when I get a kernel built I will drop a link for you to test in there
[00:27] <chadhogg> well, my (perhaps unfounded) suspicion is that that is where the problem lies
[00:32] <jjohansen> chadhogg: I highly doubt it but we will find out whether that is the case rather quickly
[08:24]  * smb mornings
[08:59]  * smb needs more coffee
[08:59]  * ikepanhc needs some food
[13:58] <jjohansen> gah, where did my night go?
[13:59] <smoser> k
[13:59] <smb> Down the drains it seems
[13:59] <apw> smoser, you erm stayed up through it as normal ?
[13:59] <apw> jjohansen, ^^ even
[14:01] <jjohansen> apw: sadly yes, but /me hasn't even gotten through even half of what was planned for a few hours :/
[14:06] <apw> jjohansen, that always happens, nothing is ever as simple as it seems
[14:06] <apw> "lets just change the version number from 2.6.39 to 3.0, should be simple"
[14:07] <jjohansen> apw: hehe, yeah
[14:07] <smb> Well, changing it _was_ simple. Handle the fallout not so much
[14:16] <apw> ogasawara, i am assuming that revert worked ok for you ?
[14:17] <apw> ogasawara, though i think i have the right fix now
[14:17] <ogasawara> apw: it did, feel free to drop it and push the proper fix over it
[14:17] <ogasawara> apw: as I've pushed it to master-next
[14:18] <apw> ogasawara, so you have, good stuff
[14:18] <cking> apw, stupid question time: are kernel .ddebs automatically built, and if so, where can I get them?
[14:18] <apw> cking, yes and from ddebs.ubuntu.com
[14:18] <cking> thanks
[14:19] <ogasawara> apw: once you push, I'll do a quick test and then plan to upload
[14:20] <ogasawara> apw: I'm also away tomorrow and friday, can you handle the release meeting friday?  otherwise I'll send skaet our part to paste in
[14:21] <apw> ogasawara, ok pushed try that
[14:37] <ogasawara> apw: seems to be working, my kernel is still building at least
[14:38] <apw> ogasawara, good stuff ... i've pushed it to linus as well
[14:38] <ogasawara> nie
[14:38] <ogasawara> nice even
[14:39]  * ogasawara replaces her dev box which magically died overnight
[14:40] <apw> ogasawara, ouch
[14:41] <smoser> hi. anyone seen major memory issues with current kernel ?
[14:41] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/627335/
[14:41] <apw> smoser, what in there tells you you have memory issues ?
[14:41] <smoser> i was mostly idle, basically desktop and firefox running, and using all 4G + 4G swap, nothing appeared to me to be using excessive memory
[14:42] <apw> smoser, yet nothing is dieing with OOM ?
[14:42] <smoser> apw, i was using 100% swap, and iotop showed kswapd running full bore, system was unusable.
[14:42] <smoser> i'm not sure whether or not i had rebooted since yesterday, when the oom *did* kill some processes.
[14:42] <smoser> the system was too unusable to get a dmesg even.
[14:43] <apw> smoser, no not seen anything like that on the two machines i am regularly using it
[14:43] <smoser> i literally could not log in with ssh or use one of the gnome terminals that was open.
[14:43] <smoser> so... if I had not rebooted since yesterday, what I did yesterday that *did* cause massive issues was trying to do an install in kvm.
[14:44] <apw> smoser, i guess we need /proc/slabinfo as its not in kernel processes
[14:44] <apw> s/kernel/user
[14:44] <smoser> i'll try the kvm install from yesterday and see if I go out to lunch again
[14:44] <apw> /dev/sda6                               partition	7823616	977416	-1
[14:45] <apw> swap stats on a machine up 7 days with that kernel
[14:46] <smoser> shoot. i realized that pastebin didn't have one line of free -m
[14:46] <smoser> should have also had:
[14:46] <smoser> Swap:         4000       4000          0
[14:46] <smoser> (4000 available, 4000 used)
[14:47] <smoser> but /proc/meminfo had that . so anyway, i'll see if i can't reproduce.
[14:50] <cking> why is the ubuntu kernel gitweb so sloooooow?
[14:50] <ppisati> cking: in the afternoon is always slow
[14:50] <ppisati> cking: in the morning i find it snappier
[14:51] <cking> the server is being hammered at the moment :-(
[14:51] <apw> cking, the machine isn\t the biggest
[14:51] <cking> it's a 386?
[14:52] <apw> its a 2 cpuu amd64 i think
[14:52] <cking> looks memory+CPU+I/O bound to me
[14:53] <apw> cking, its a tiny machine
[14:53] <cking> well, we've not up-scaled it compared to how much more we use it nowadays
[14:54] <apw> yep
[14:55] <cking> poor thing
[14:56] <smb> right now, there seem to be a lot of git pack-objects going on...
[15:01] <smoser> well, so far just running kvm the same way I did yesterday hasn't triggered anything bad.
[15:01] <apw> smoser, hrm, not good
[15:14]  * ogasawara back in 20
[16:06]  * jjohansen steps away for a bit
[16:43] <smb> apw, ogasawara FYI: Being bored (or weird or both) I had been running the qa-regression-test suite on 3.0.0-1 and got one failure. Not sure this is moot but the test runs "getpcaps 1" and expects ": =ep cap_setpcap-e" but only gets ": =ep". Same test works on Natty.
[17:00] <ogasawara> smb: thanks, I'll try running it here to re-create and investigate
[17:04] <smb> ogasawara, OK, cool. Let me know if it does not or whatever comes out of it.
[17:08] <bjf> apw: you uploaded kexec-tools to the kernel ppa today?
[17:21] <apw> bjf, yeah i wanted to get a powerpc build for it, feel free to just delete it finished or not
[17:21] <apw> bjf, i've now uploaded it to the archive and said balls to it
[17:22] <bjf> apw, that's a pretty od version string and it's busted my scripts (made me sad)
[17:22] <apw> heh :)
[17:22] <sconklin> apw, bjf: can we as a policy only use that PPA for stable team builds please?
[17:22] <apw> sconklin, arn't you mean with your pretty toys
[17:23] <sconklin> not nice of you to say that after having smashed those toys ;)
[17:23] <sconklin> admittedly, they are somewhat fragile toys
[17:24] <bjf> apw, is a ':' legal?
[17:24] <apw> just delete the package
[17:24] <apw> 8: at the front, yes, its an epoch, and optional
[17:24] <bjf> apw, thanks
[17:27] <tumbleweed> much thanks for linux-lts-backport-natty. I just deployed some new lucid machines today that needed it
[18:13] <sconklin> sforshee: do you have a machine affected by this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/424142
[18:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 424142 in linux "Address Collision" [Medium,Fix committed]
[19:10] <sforshee> sconklin, I don't, BenC was working with some machines that were affected and verified the fix in the test build
[19:11] <sconklin> sforshee: ok, I spammed the bug again, maybe we'll get a response. Thanks
[19:17] <sforshee> BenC, you probably want to verify the fix for bug #424142 in proposed or else sconklin is going to revert the patch
[19:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 424142 in linux "Address Collision" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424142
[19:18] <sconklin> sconklin cracks his knuckles and fetches the repo . . .
[19:19] <sconklin> seriously, we have a couple of days.
[19:19] <sforshee> sconklin, fyi that patch is queued for .32-longterm as well
[19:20] <sconklin> normally that would make me want to take it, but I'm still sore from the last round of longterm updates
[19:20] <sforshee> that's understandable
[21:05]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[21:23]  * vanhoof reads a novel from jjohansen
[21:23] <jjohansen> vanhoof: haha sorry about that
[21:23]  * jjohansen is trying to spread the pain around :)
[21:24] <vanhoof> jjohansen: lol
[21:24] <vanhoof> jjohansen: did you sleep last night? :)
[21:26] <jjohansen> no
[23:27] <jjohansen> sconklin: I have a bug where the fix has made it in to the stable tree, so it will be coming in through stable updates.  Do you want bug report tasks for this type of bug
[23:34] <sconklin> jjohansen: if it matters to you then you better open a bug. I think we may declare a moratorium on taking upstream stable patches unless it's within 90 days of a release or SRUd. It needs discussion but opening a bug is the best way to make sure it gets included
[23:35] <jjohansen> sconklin: okay thanks


[02:03] <milosevic> I have a question
[02:04] <Plug> I have one too.  Are you asking your question from the bathroom? :)
[02:04] <milosevic> no, I just arrived
[02:04] <milosevic> :P
[02:04] <milosevic> I can ask from the bathroom connecting from my cell phone though
[02:04] <milosevic> :P
[03:24] <poningru> !automotix
[07:28] <Capso> "UWN"?
[07:28] <Capso> Ah. Weekly Newsletter.
[10:07] <jenda> muhehe... http://www.monipodio.net/tmp/poster-layout.jpg
[10:08] <jenda> That's the final layout. Goes out to pringing soon.
[10:11] <Capso> Looking good.
[10:12] <Capso> jenda: You draw that?
[10:12] <jenda> nope
[10:12] <jenda> Would love to say I did, but no, HanZo did.
[10:13] <jenda> I came up with the competition for the best design.
[10:13] <BHSPitLappy> that's a very nice looking competition, jenda!
[10:13] <BHSPitLappy> great work! :)
[10:13] <jenda> thx
[10:13] <jenda> I can't WAIT to see those on paper.
[10:14] <BHSPitLappy> or on tall buildingsides
[10:14] <jenda> muhehe
[10:17] <BHSPitLappy> I actually find myself having trouble promoting switching to linux, though.
[10:17] <BHSPitLappy> I don't want to lie to people.
[10:17] <poningru> yarr mateys
[10:17] <poningru> midterms are over, paper was just finished
[10:17] <poningru> I think
[10:17] <jenda> That's very correct of you, BHSPitLappy :) it wouldn't do any good anyway.
[10:17] <BHSPitLappy> And I can't just say, "This probably won't work for you right. But please, consider changing your life around it"
[10:17] <poningru> after some sleep
[10:18] <poningru> will throw myself at marketing
[10:18] <poningru> I wanna go crazy for edgy release
[10:18] <poningru> marketing blitz
[10:18] <BHSPitLappy> lol
[10:18] <jenda> muhehe
[10:18] <BHSPitLappy> paint the town brown!
[10:18] <jenda> poningru: I think you'll need posters.
[10:18] <poningru> YEAH
[10:19] <poningru> see I wanna get all the loco teams to send out EPKs to as many media outlets as possible
[10:19] <BHSPitLappy> jenda, think you could help me try to find a local (to me) company that can make foily case stickers like I've been wanting?
[10:19] <BHSPitLappy> I could do a bulk order and distribute
[10:19] <BHSPitLappy> but I don't even know where to begin looking for someone who can make these things
[10:19] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: That'd be really great.
[10:20] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: where do you live?
[10:20] <jenda> It's all in the printers :)
[10:20] <BHSPitLappy> DFW area, texas
[10:20] <jenda> DFW? :)
[10:20] <BHSPitLappy> I don't really see the marketing value in the stickers very much, I just want one for myself.
[10:21] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: there is none.
[10:21] <BHSPitLappy> when you think about it, stickers are just for existing users.
[10:21] <jenda> It was a proof of concept batch.
[10:21] <jenda> Very exact thinking.
[10:21] <BHSPitLappy> swag for existing users isn't a bad thing, though :)
[10:21] <BHSPitLappy> DFW = Dallas / Fort Worth
[10:22] <jenda> aha, ok
[10:28] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: See if this is any help... http://www.printaccess.com/main/piamidam/index_G.html
[10:29] <jenda> And this could help too... http://www.printcities.com/printing_companies_directo.htm
[10:29] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: What I did was that i wrote a polite email asking about the options on stickers etc. and sent it to about five printers. Only two responded, and I chose one.
[10:29] <jenda> Choose one that values their customer :)
[10:30] <jenda> And be prepared to order 1000 stickers.
[10:30] <jenda> I already sold 1000, and now I have 500 more - it doesn't seem to be a problem.
[10:31] <BHSPitLappy> well, this is going to be more difficult.
[10:31] <BHSPitLappy> I want one that looks as good as the windows sticker on this thing
[10:32] <jenda> Yes, everyone knows what they look like. You can ask the printer if they can make it look like the windows stikcer....
[10:32] <jenda> I suppose they could make 500 if 1000 seems too much to you, but it won't be cheap.
[10:32] <jenda> You will still probably be even able to make a profit.
[10:34] <BHSPitLappy> I would try to sell a chunk of them to you :P
[10:35] <BHSPitLappy> it's too bad I don't work in shipping anymore
[10:35] <poningru> god wtf is up with canonical taking forever to make announcement
[10:35] <BHSPitLappy> I've got to be off to bed, gnight
[10:35] <poningru> nn guys
[10:35] <BHSPitLappy> what announcement
[10:36] <jenda> good night
[11:16] <poningru> gaah cannot sleep
[11:33] <jenda> poningru: yay, do something for Ubuntu in the meantime :)
[11:33] <jenda> reminds me... gotta-get-off-the-comp and go to school :)
[11:34] <poningru> zzzz
[03:51] <jenda> milosevic: please turn off your ... argh, he left :)
[07:23] <Mitch_> jenda; where is the wiki for the powered by stickers?
[07:23] <jenda> Mitch_: /MarketingTeam/Shipping
[07:23] <Mitch_> gracias
[07:23] <jenda> np\
[07:24] <jenda> keep in mind it's meant to be a temporary set up till I have a site.
[07:24] <Mitch_> gotcha.
[07:24] <Mitch_> and do you know menza's wiki page?
[07:24] <MenZa> I don't have any.
[07:25] <MenZa> Never found it a necessity.
[07:25] <MenZa> After all, I don't contribute much :)
[07:25] <Mitch_> hmm...
[07:25] <Mitch_> who made the other powered by stickers?
[07:25] <Mitch_> the Kubuntu ones
[07:25] <Mitch_> and what-not
[07:25] <MenZa> I did.
[07:25] <MenZa> I made them.
[07:26] <Mitch_> and they dont have a wiki page?
[07:26] <Mitch_> =(
[07:26] <Mitch_> any place i can find an image of them?
[07:26] <jenda> Mitch_: yep, there is one place... lemme link you :)
[07:26] <Mitch_> thansk =)
[07:27] <MenZa> Mitch_: http://flickr.com/photos/menza/
[07:27] <MenZa> Search 'Ubuntu'
[07:27] <Mitch_> ah ha -- thanks ! =)
[07:28] <MenZa> np :)
[07:29] <jenda> Mitch_: you'll even see a photo of the author and the distributor there :)
[07:30] <Mitch_> *scream*
[07:30] <Mitch_> screams*
[07:50] <MenZa> Mitch_: :(
[07:52] <jenda> Mitch_: :)
[07:53] <Mitch_> ?
[07:53] <Mitch_> =)
[12:01] <popey> o/
[12:01] <jenda> yay ;)
[12:01] <popey> I may get called away for baby-feeding at any moment
[12:01] <popey> hello
[12:02] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:02] <jenda> jono said you were thinking of selling some marketing material
[12:02] <popey> ahhh
[12:02] <popey> *that* idea
[12:02] <jenda> I'm very interested in this, but of course, in all your other marketing ideas.
[12:03] <popey> well, it struck me that we have cafepress, which lets be honest isn't great, it's a generic logo on an item
[12:03] <popey> oi! trunky wanna bun?
[12:03] <jenda> cbx33: not at all ;)
[12:03] <popey> :)
[12:03] <jenda> popey: agreed
[12:03] <jenda> In that case I understand why jono notified me :)
[12:04] <popey> A uk/european based channel for selling merchandise would be great for us over here
[12:04] <popey> need to do some sums really
[12:04] <cbx33> popey, ++
[12:04] <popey> it's all just floaty ideas at the moment
[12:04] <jenda> I'm working on creating a website that'd encourage people to create DIY material themselves and sell it out to the community. The site would also serve as a portal for the info at hand
[12:05] <popey> plus if it's a little more bespoke then it can be less bland/generic than cafepress
[12:05] <popey> and people might be more inclined to buy more stuff
[12:05] <popey> (which is good)
[12:05] <jenda> And, in order to prove how entirely possible this is, I created a batch of 1000 Ubuntu stickers, now have several hundred more from MenZa and am working on posters.
[12:05] <cbx33> popey, like an ubuntu thinkgeek ;)
[12:05] <jenda> ok
[12:05] <popey> user submitted designs would also be neat
[12:05] <popey> yeah, I saw your poster, like it
[12:06] <jenda> honestly, I think we will have _only_ user submitted designs :)
[12:06] <popey> well there's the generic stuff
[12:06] <jenda> that's the way the FLOSS world works ;)
[12:06] <jenda> ok, true
[12:06] <popey> ubuntu / kubuntu / edubuntu logos on t-shirts/mouse mats etc
[12:06] <popey> which some people like
[12:06] <jenda> but still there has to be someone to create+print that out.
[12:06] <popey> but yeah, different stuff is good