[00:06] <BlitzerHound> Is there anywhere else I may be able to find help?
[00:07] <Humatiel> for?
[00:14] <oerheks> Trolltech.conf It's generated from using the qt framework. It stores your local qt settings, nothing wrong with that
[00:17] <adalbert> oerheks: noted.
[00:18] <BlitzerHound> Well, I was looking through for more stuff, and it said to run a traceback to see what stuff is being written to the disk
[00:18] <BlitzerHound> But again I don't know what I'm looking at
[00:18] <BlitzerHound> https://imgur.com/a/QNO43
[00:18] <BlitzerHound> If anyone could help me decipher this I'd appreciate it
[00:22] <xamithan> What is that,  are you develping an app
[00:22] <BlitzerHound> No, I'm trying to fix the lag on my computer
[00:22] <BlitzerHound> And trying to find why this thing is constantly writing to the disk
[00:23] <BlitzerHound> Which I've found is most likely my problem. This program thing is constantly writing to the disk
[00:23] <Seveas> BlitzerHound: iotop should show you that...
[00:23] <xamithan> I don't think running stack traces will help fix your lag
[00:23] <BlitzerHound> Well I don't know what I'm doing lol
[00:24] <BlitzerHound> I'm just trying to stop my lag
[00:24] <oerheks> What intel videochip is this machine, BlitzerHound ? intel 630 ?
[00:25] <JasonSilver> I can't figure out how to do linebreaks in enscript- anyone here use Enscript?
[00:26] <xamithan> I looked at one of your previous screencaps with the iotop.  it is using 99% IO with only 770k disk writes ?
[00:26] <xamithan> I'm not an expert but I'd say your hard drive is dying
[00:27] <xamithan> Do you still get the lag if you run from a liveusb or livecd ?
[00:32] <xamithan> Actually scratch what I said,  it just looks like it is doing a journal flush or some kind of indexing
[01:22] <new0> is it possible to use samba as one share to use user and pass and another share without prompting for user and pass/
[01:22] <new0> ?
[01:30] <SlidingHorn> the ~/.cache directory can be essentially deleted without worry, right?
[01:31] <oerheks> It is safe to clear ~/.cache/, new user accounts start with an empty directory anyway.
[01:32] <oerheks> and ~/.config, logout/login after that
[01:41] <levd1> $ free -h
[01:41] <levd1>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[01:42] <levd1> Mem:            31G        1.0G        518M        9.9M         29G         29G
[01:42] <SlidingHorn> !paste > levd1
[01:42] <levd1> Ubuntu 16.04, the available memory is always 29G. What's likely the reason.
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> new0, no, samba cannot be configured in that method. However, if a samba user is using a windows machine with the same username and password as the samba share is setup for, the credentials are automatically passed from a windows machine to the samba share
[01:42] <levd1> just three lines :)
[01:42] <SlidingHorn> levd1: doesn't matter.  If it's more than a line, please use a pastebin.
[01:43] <levd1> ok
[01:43] <new0> pragmaticenigma, ok. and their password must be match?'
[01:44] <oerheks> likely an onboard GPU snoops memory
[01:44] <new0> pragmaticenigma, also, what if one share is guest ok = yes and the other is valid users = auser will it's still ask for auth?
[01:44] <levd1> the server is busying compiling a lot of files. yet the used memory shown by `free -h` seems very weird.
[01:45] <new0> pragmaticenigma, also if one use guest ok = yes and the other not using it at all
[01:47] <Randolf> I'm trying to configure my firewall service - nftables - to start automatically at boot.  This command (run as root) doesn't seem to make that work though:  update-rc.d nftables defaults
[01:47] <Randolf> Is there a configuration file I can edit to make this happen?
[01:48] <Randolf> Thanks.
[01:56] <xamithan> You can make your own script and put it in upstart
[01:56] <xamithan> Or just edit one of the thousands that are on google
[01:58] <Randolf> When I type "service --status-all" it's listed with a "[ - ]" beside it.
[01:58] <Randolf> Does every service I create need to have a custom script created for it?
[01:59] <xamithan> No,  most services come shipped with their own you can use
[01:59] <xamithan> That one just happens to not have one
[02:00] <Randolf> Oh.
[02:00] <ty> hi
[02:00] <Randolf> I'll ask in the #netfilter channel then if someone's already written such a script.  Thank you.
[02:00] <xamithan> Why not just google it?
[02:01] <Guest87552> This is my first day using Ubuntu MATE
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> new0, I think you need to read the documentation
[02:02] <Randolf> xamithan:  Various results for Gentoo come up, even though I specified "ubuntu" in the search criteria.
[02:02]  * Randolf welcomes Guest87552 to Ubuntu Linux
[02:02] <xamithan> Well here is the first link on a search I just did: http://computer-outlines.over-blog.com/article-nftables-4-automatic-ruleset-loading-at-boot-time-123272136.html
[02:02] <Guest87552> How do you install Minecraft in Ubuntu MATE
[02:02] <xamithan> "nftables start at boot upstart"
[02:03] <leftyfb> Guest87552: sudo snap install minecraft-nsg
[02:03] <Randolf> xamithan:  Thanks (I didn't get that one).  I'll take a look at it.
[02:03] <Guest87552> Thanks
[02:04] <Guest87552> It says error: snap 'minecraft-sng' not found
[02:05] <Randolf> xamithan:  So, I guess I'll need to replace the existing /etc/init.d/nftables script?
[02:05] <new0> pragmaticenigma, yep. in middle of reading it. i asked many Qs before i hope i will give me understanding and solution. https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/current/man-html/smb.conf.5.html#MAPTOGUEST https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/samba#Folder_shared_inside_graphical_environment_is_not_available_to_guests
[02:06] <xamithan> Either that or edit it so it conforms to upstart instead of sysvinit
[02:06] <Randolf> Oh, hang on, there's a different filename suggested.
[02:06] <xamithan> I've never used nftables
[02:06] <Randolf> That's too advanced for me right now.  I'm coming from a NetBSD background.
[02:07] <Guest87552> If anyone has filesysystem problems Do: Sudo apt-get install gparted
[02:07] <Randolf> As I understand it, nftables is the intended successor to iptables.  It has a syntax that's similar to OpenBSD's pf, and suits my needs well from a configuration standpoint.
[02:07] <xamithan> Isn't it just a frontend to netfilter and does the exact same things?
[02:08] <Randolf> Ah, that's what it is then.
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> Guest87552, https://askubuntu.com/a/764587
[02:08] <Randolf> iptables doesn't support IPv6 -- for that I need to use something separate, and I'm accustomed to pf which supports both IPv4 and IPv6 together.
[02:09] <Randolf> At any rate, I'll see about getting this working with the link you shared with me.  Thanks.
[02:09] <xamithan> Well that is what ip6tables is for =)
[02:09] <kostkon> Guest87552, sudo snap install minecraft
[02:10] <gratuit> I have an htpc running 17.10 ona laptop. Currently, I have it set to single output to the TV, and when the TV is on, this works. When I turn the TV off, however the laptop screen comes back on. Is there any way to disable the laptop screen completely?
[02:11] <pragmaticenigma> new0, I don't have an answer since I do not run my system in vulnerable state. Allowing unauthenticated users access to network file shares is dangerous
[02:12] <Guest87552> Thanks for the help all! I will go play minecraft now
[02:12] <xamithan> gratuit: There should be a checkbox in the display settings for that
[02:12] <xamithan> Depending on what DE you are using
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> gratuit, you would have to consult your laptop documentation. that said, it is by design that if the computer does not detect a device on the display channel used for the TV, it automatically will switch to its internal screen
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> gratuit, it would also be foolish to disable that feature, should the TV ever break and you need access to the laptop
[02:13] <new0> pragmaticenigma, absolutely agreed. this is why i am trying to figure out how to make the share prompt for a user and pass
[02:13] <new0> pragmaticenigma, if u could help me with that i will highly appreciate it :)
[02:15] <gratuit> xamithan: there is no check box, using gnome
[02:15] <pragmaticenigma> new0, it's way too late in the day for me ... hopefully someone else can help out. in the mean time.. the defaults that are preset through the package manager are set to be pretty secure by default.
[02:16] <pragmaticenigma> new0, avoid setting guest to anything but bad user, and do not enable guest access
[02:16] <gratuit> is there an equivalent to xrandr for wayland, or at least a way to list displays?
[02:18] <gratuit> pragmaticenigma, so anyone running a desktop is foolish? I want to use only an external monitor, as anyone using a desktop would do
[02:18] <ty_> Ive tried Java on ubuntu mate (btw i was the guest
[02:18] <ty_> This wont work
[02:19] <pragmaticenigma> gratuit, you said laptop, not desktop... I do not understand
[02:19] <ty_> file:///home/ty/Downloads/jre-8u171-linux-x64.tar.gz
[02:21] <new0> pragmaticenigma, sure thing. and thank you. also is there a way to reset to default option?
[02:21] <oerheks> !java | ty_ use the guide
[02:22] <ty_> O.K i will keep the chat open if there is any other problems
[02:23] <new0> so in samba user and pass are only prompt when i am trying to access the machine (hostname) and not the share name. right?
[02:24] <ty_> if this doesent work im going to flip
[02:25] <oerheks> that does not speed up support
[02:25] <ty_> I know that
[02:26] <ty_> I already know some commands too like sudo apt-get install (INSERT APP HERE)
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> gratuit, simple solution to your question... keep the laptop lid down and the screen will not come on
[02:44] <Deltarod> hey guys, I'm doing some research for a school project and was wondering if there was a way to look at the code base? I cant seem to find a place to review the repository anywhere
[02:48] <SlidingHorn> Deltarod: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:52] <Deltarod> cheers :D
[02:56] <pranav> 'pipenv --venv' returns directory but pipenv --venv | grep says broken pipe. what is the correct way to use it?
[02:56] <pranav> **sorry pipenv -venv | cd
[02:57] <pranav> i got it - cd $(pipenv --venv)
[02:57] <pranav> worked. thanks
[03:06] <ubuntu> clear
[03:06] <ubuntu> hello world
[03:06] <Randolf> Hello ubuntu.
 alert("hello world"); </script>
[03:22] <omarv__> hello, for an issue in 18.04 is in this # ?
[03:24] <operator-error> omarv__: I'd imagine if it's Ubuntu related, this is the place.
[03:24] <SlidingHorn> omarv__: 18.04 is supported in #ubuntu+1 until release
[03:28] <omarv__> I have an issue starting up, it show:  PCIe Bus Error: severity=corrected , type=Physical Layer, id=00e0 (Receiver ID)
[03:30] <StoneCypher1080> so i've got a new winders uefi box, and i'm trying to put ubuntu on it as a dual boot.  usually i just single boot computers; i haven't dual booted in maybe ten years
[03:30] <StoneCypher1080> when i switch the thing to have the dvd drive as its first boot device, the whole machine is no longer able to see the boot device.  this is repaired when i make the windows boot loader the first boot device again
[03:30] <StoneCypher1080> is there some clue-stick somewhere that i can read about this?  i was unable to google it
[03:31] <StoneCypher1080> or is my new machine just weird and brain-crippled
[03:31] <StoneCypher1080> i kind of have the intuition that this is about uefi and so that this channel probably sees this every half hour, is why i'm asking here
[03:47] <yosef> Question I try n update the cache from the server for updates n it fails n say no release file what does this mean? Thanks.
[04:01] <yosef> E:The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates Release' does not have a Release file., W:Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does not have a Release file., W:Updating from such a repository can't be done
[04:01] <yosef> securely, and is therefore disabled by default., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[04:02] <yosef> This is what I get an error message not sure what is happening if someone has an Idea would be much appreciated. Thanks.
[04:06] <guiverc> yosef: Zesty Zapus (17.04) reached EOL on 13-jan-2018. After a release reaches EOL its repo is moved from 'archive.ubuntu.com' to `old-releases.ubuntu.com` (without country mirrors, ie. us.)  -- you should have release-upgraded to 17.10
[04:07] <yosef> I Have upgraded to 17.10.15
[04:08] <guiverc> well it means you still have an entry for 17.04 in your sources.list* files (main file, or in sources.list.d/*) - scan for something with 'zesty' which should say artful (17.10)
[04:08] <guiverc> it'll be an entry you added yourself for 17.04 (most likely)
[04:09] <yosef> How do I scan?
[04:09] <guiverc> open `/etc/apt/sources.list` in an editor & search for zesty maybe.  me I'd just go to bash, and fgrep....
[04:10] <yosef> Will Do n will see if that works otherwise I can always reinstall from the iso cd I have.
[04:11] <guiverc> the line you want contains the 'text' of the aforementioed line you posted -- scan for that (us.archive....
[04:11] <guiverc> no need to re-install - the line isn't one from an install cd; but one that was added by your or someone using the machine
[04:12] <yosef> you mean scan for the best server?
[04:12] <yosef> I just installed 5 days ago so it would be what I missed.
[04:12] <guiverc> no.. i may look in the file /etc/apt/sources.list for the "zesty-updates" ....
[04:13] <yosef> In the file will do.
[04:14] <guiverc> when you find it; just put a "#" at the start of the line (to cause the line to become a comment), you can also delete it, but I'd comment it... note: to save file you'll have to use `sudo`
[04:15] <yosef> is this done in the terminal? just a question new at this.
[04:15] <guiverc> if you don't find any references in sources.list file, it'll be in a file within the subdirectory /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  - okay.. my answer was vague, I'll attempt to reword
[04:16] <yosef> no problem.
[04:17] <guiverc> (I use `vim`, so I'm trying to work out how to use nano as vi/vim isn't easy for newbies...) - if someone else wants to step in, please do...
[04:18] <guiverc> eg.. i used `sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list` & am trying to search for 'zesty', but haven't worked out how... the file isn't big so you could just page down & scan yourself...
[04:19] <guiverc> on my screen the file was color coded - and 'red' was the version-strings to look for, other color text could be ignored (on my 16.04 system)
[04:19] <yosef> searching in the files for zesty must be a lot still searching
[04:21] <guiverc> if you switch to term "sudo fgrep zesty zesty /etc/apt/* 2>/dev/null" will produce a list of lines (inc. filenames that contain zesty) - this would be my scan of choice..
[04:22] <guiverc> ps:  typo - zesty should appear only once...
[04:23] <yosef> will do.
[04:24] <krytarik> yosef: Can you pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a" just to be safe though?
[04:25] <yosef> pastebin?
[04:25] <krytarik> !pastebin
[04:25] <yosef> I am new at this.
[04:26] <krytarik> Same for this command please:  egrep -vh "^(#|$)" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list}
[04:27] <yosef> is this from the erro message I get from trying to update the cache?
[04:28] <yosef> if not I am still lost.
[04:28] <krytarik> To check what really you got there, yes.
[04:29] <yosef> ok be back.
[04:30] <yosef> E:The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-updates Release' does not have a Release file., W:Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does not have a Release file., W:Updating from such a repository can't be done
 securely, and is therefore disabled by default., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[04:30] <yosef> this is it.
[04:30] <yosef> above
[04:31] <leftyfb> !zesty | yosef
[04:31] <krytarik> Just repasting doesn't make us know more.
[04:31] <leftyfb> !eol | yosef
[04:32] <krytarik> leftyfb: Did you read above?
[04:32] <leftyfb> nope
[04:32] <leftyfb> just got here
[04:32] <krytarik> Claims they got 17.10
[04:33] <yosef> I have 17.10.15
[04:33] <leftyfb> uh
[04:33] <krytarik> That's not even a valid version number though, of course.
[04:33] <leftyfb> there's no 17.10.15
[04:33] <leftyfb> yosef: cat /etc/issue
[04:33] <yosef> maybe I read wrong but it is 17.10 my bad
[04:34] <krytarik> Yes, I just asked for that too.
[04:34] <leftyfb> yosef: can you copy/paste the output of cat /etc/issue
[04:34] <yosef> where do I get this from?
[04:34] <leftyfb> yosef: run that command in a terminal
[04:34] <leftyfb> cat /etc/issue
[04:34] <yosef> will do.
[04:34] <leftyfb> copy and paste what it says here
[04:35] <yosef> Ubuntu 17.10 \n \l
[04:36] <leftyfb> yosef: ok, now typing this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[04:36] <leftyfb> type*
[04:37] <yosef> I put that in the terminal should I paste here/
[04:39] <leftyfb> yosef: yes, the link
[04:40] <yosef> osef@yosef-Inspiron-1501:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <yosef> # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-MATE 17.04 _Zesty Zapus_ - Release i386 (20170412)]/ zesty main multiverse restricted universe
[04:40] <yosef> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
[04:40] <yosef> # newer versions of the distribution.
[04:40] <yosef> deb http://mirror.steadfast.net/ubuntu/ artful main restricted
[04:40] <yosef> deb-src http://mirror.steadfast.net/ubuntu/ artful restricted universe main #Added by software-properties
[04:40] <leftyfb> :/
[04:40] <leftyfb> no
[04:40]  * krytarik slow-claps..
[04:40] <leftyfb> you were supposed to paste the pastebin link
[04:40] <leftyfb> at the bottom
[04:41] <yosef> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu zesty partner
[04:41] <yosef> deb http://mirror.steadfast.net/ubuntu/ artful-security main restricted
[04:41] <yosef> deb-src http://mirror.steadfast.net/ubuntu/ artful-security restricted universe main #Added by software-properties
[04:41] <leftyfb> stop
[04:41] <yosef> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security main restricted
[04:41] <leftyfb> stop
[04:41] <yosef> deb http://mirror.steadfast.net/ubuntu/ artful-security universe
[04:41] <krytarik> If that had worked, they hadn't even gotten the output..
[04:41] <seliot> hello
[04:41] <leftyfb> true
[04:41] <leftyfb> yosef: you did not copy/paste what I told you
[04:42] <krytarik> One more run and the bot will purge them.
[04:42] <DalekSec> krytarik: How do you /server purge  in hexchat?
[04:43] <krytarik> I dunno! :D
[04:44] <yosef> From what I read it sounds like it is unssuported the repository.
[04:45] <leftyfb> yosef: it sounds like you didn't follow instructions
[04:45] <leftyfb> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[04:45] <yosef> Sure does.
[04:45] <leftyfb> type that ^
[04:45] <leftyfb> yosef: if you do it correctly, you'll get a link
[04:45] <yosef> here?
[04:45] <leftyfb> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[04:45] <leftyfb> type that ^ into a terminal on your pc
[04:45] <leftyfb> the whole line
[04:46] <seliot> computer What should I study first? C,C++,JAVA,Object-C,C#,Linux,Mac,Ruby?
[04:46] <leftyfb> seliot: that is off topic
[04:47] <leftyfb> seliot: btw, Linux is not a programming language
[04:47] <seliot> sure
[04:47] <seliot> i know...
[04:48] <seliot> i use the linux ubuntu  gcc compier
[04:48] <yosef> nothing happens.
[04:48] <leftyfb> seliot: please do not PM
[04:49] <seliot> okay
[04:49] <leftyfb> yosef: it'll look something like this if you typing it in correctly ....
[04:49] <leftyfb> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[04:49] <leftyfb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XSNgXJkBQF/
[04:49] <leftyfb> the first line is what I types
[04:49] <leftyfb> typed*
[04:49] <leftyfb> the 2nd line is what got spit out
[04:50] <yosef> It does now.
[04:50] <leftyfb> ok, paste the link here
[04:50] <jarnos> Shutdown is slow on 16.04. How to inspect what takes so long time? I see no messages during shutdown.
[04:51] <yosef> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gYFcgfVxKC/
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> jarnos: tail -f /var/log/syslog to see whats going on, then open a terminal and sudo halt and press F1 to see text shutdown
[04:53] <leftyfb> yosef: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list as root or sudo and make it look like this and only this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/BBsZRZjd6m/
[04:54] <usuario> help
[04:54] <yosef> in the terminal? not sure.
[04:54] <leftyfb> yosef: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:54] <leftyfb> delete everything  in your editor and paste in the content I gave you into it
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> usuario: ask?
[04:56] <yosef> where is the editor? just must ask.
[04:56] <leftyfb> yosef: got one better for you ...
[04:57] <leftyfb> yosef: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:57] <seliot> list
[04:57] <yosef> sounds good.
[04:57] <leftyfb> run that in your terminal
[04:57] <krytarik> !sudo
[04:58] <leftyfb> krytarik: I know, sudo works fine for it though
[04:58] <krytarik> Yeah, and yet you give him the advice to run graphical apps with 'sudo.
[04:59] <leftyfb> krytarik: yup, because they can't handle "editors" and I don't feel like giving a complete linux course at the moment
[05:00] <krytarik> Well, could always check if 'gksu' is installed at least.
[05:00] <yosef> I need a Course. I typed in n not found.
[05:00] <leftyfb> yosef: oh, you're running mate huh?
[05:01] <yosef> I Know this something not allowing updates is missing.
[05:01] <yosef> mate it is.
[05:01] <yosef> I also use mint on the other side.
[05:01] <yosef> mint I like.
[05:02] <leftyfb> yosef: type this:      sudo pluma /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:03] <leftyfb> yosef: then delete everything there and copy and paste all the lines beginning with deb into your editor (the white screen) https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/BBsZRZjd6m/
[05:03] <yosef> command not found.
[05:04] <leftyfb> :/
[05:04] <leftyfb> ok
[05:04] <yosef> from before.
[05:05] <yosef> no such file or directory. something is awash
[05:06] <leftyfb> yosef: type this:     sudo wget https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5g05fdfvf965r0/source.list?dl=0 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:07] <krytarik> :D
[05:07] <krytarik> leftyfb++ for the amount of effort. :)
[05:07] <yosef> nill. same here :-D
[05:07] <yosef> No kidding.
[05:07] <krytarik> Yes, you are..
[05:08] <leftyfb> yosef: type: sudo apt-get update
[05:09] <yosef> Got it
[05:09] <leftyfb> yosef: you are fixed
[05:09] <yosef> It's Fixed?
[05:10] <leftyfb> yosef: sorry, I didn't catch the initial problem. But from what I could tell, you had outdated package repositories configured. Those are now fixed
[05:10] <yosef> There is a lot to read here similar to what I had before which says no release file.
[05:11] <leftyfb> yosef: sudo apt-get update | pastebin
[05:11] <leftyfb> yosef: starting to see a pattern?
[05:11] <yosef> you want to see this?
[05:11] <yosef> not sure.
[05:12] <leftyfb> yosef: I want to see the pastebin link that it spits out. If it didn't spit out a pastebin link, you didn't follow instructions
[05:13] <yosef> I typed the whole thing n it is a lot to read so it worked.
[05:14] <leftyfb> no, it didn't work because you didn't follow instructions
[05:14] <leftyfb> oops, my bad
[05:14] <leftyfb> yosef: sudo apt-get update | pastebinit
[05:14] <leftyfb> type that
[05:14] <leftyfb> that's my fault
[05:14] <yosef> OK.
[05:15] <yosef> you want to see what it spit out?
[05:15] <leftyfb> yosef: only if it's a pastebin link
[05:16] <leftyfb> oh, hold on
[05:16] <leftyfb> yosef: sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | pastebinit
[05:17] <yosef> OK
[05:17] <leftyfb> unfortunately, I have to head out now. 1:17AM and I'm finally leaving work
[05:17] <leftyfb> yosef: give that pastebin link to someone else here to help troubleshoot
[05:19] <yosef> Well I apreciate the help n it's been a pain in the butt but I am just going to reinstall the iso from scratch better this way. Thanks all for the help.
[05:20] <krytarik> Might indeed be better in fact - because with a sources list like that, the upgrade can hardly have been completed successfully.
[05:21] <yosef> Yep something is missing n all night it would take. Thanks again.
[05:25] <genewitch> is it possible to upgrade from 16.04 to a beta of 18.04 and be able to roll back afterward? is rsync enough?
[05:25] <Guest18725> hi
[05:26] <genewitch> ubuntu 17 glitches the monitor on my laptop, so i want to test 18
[05:28] <EriC^^> genewitch: test with a live usb?
[05:28] <EriC^^> hey Guest18725
[05:29] <genewitch> EriC^^: that doesn't confirm it works; 17 works on live USB but the install doesn't. there's a kernel issue
[05:30] <genewitch> i tried fixes for months, haha
[05:30] <genewitch> i can't run 17 desktop in VMs either, the Wm glitches. it's all "known issue" but unfixed because it's a small segment
[05:30] <EriC^^> genewitch: that means it's using some other driver on the actual install genewitch
[05:31] <genewitch> EriC^^: yeah
[05:32] <genewitch> I'm well aware. But the only fix is a kernel recompile
[05:32] <genewitch> but there was some issue with the nouveau
[05:32] <EriC^^> it sounds like after the install it has different drivers loaded
[05:33] <chealy> iv
[05:33] <EriC^^> genewitch: did you try sudo lshw -C video in the live usb and later when installed? genewitch
[05:34] <EriC^^> sorry i keep double highlighting :D
[05:35] <krytarik> :D
[06:13] <bax3l33t> hell i can't compile alsa driver can u help me?
[06:15] <bax3l33t> flags after ./configure return errors
[06:15] <bax3l33t> in help.ubuntu
[06:27] <guiverc> bax3l33t: write your question (ideally in a single line) and if someone here knows the answer they'll reply.  please try & watch language too if you want help  (also include your ubuntu version)
[06:53] <Shreyam_> hi
[06:54] <Shreyam_> am using a laptop and my bluetooth is not working in ubuntu16.04
[06:54] <Shreyam_> any fix please
[06:56] <Guest18725> Hi, does anyone know how I work out what jupyter package to install on ubuntu 17?
[06:56] <Guest18725> there are so many options, but nothing I can see for some meta-package
[07:05] <Drag0ns> Hello all
[07:07] <Silmarilion> is there an easy way to view the print queue in Gnome? I don't see any applet by default
[07:08] <davegravemave> Hello, i am in need of help
[07:08] <davegravemave> trying to get 16.04 running on a 2012 macbook
[07:08] <levd1> Have anyone any idea of the weird used memory of 1G in my total 32G ram server? The server is busy compiling files and should eat up lots of memory. It is Ubuntu 16.04.
[07:10] <kraiskil> levd1, does your build run parallel?
[07:11] <levd1> with multiple users compiling different projects
[07:22] <bax3l33t> hello i seeking advices i have sound trouble playing sound in mame project emulater i m using ubuntu
[07:22] <mickyyy> hi
[07:22] <mickyyy> can someone help me
[07:22] <mickyyy> !?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> mickyyy: if you ask a question
[07:24] <bax3l33t> hello i seeking advices i have no sound in mame emulator i using ubuntu Gnu/li
[07:31] <mickyyy> im trying to format my nvme  and ssd
[07:31] <mickyyy> but it doesnt work
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> mickyyy: define 'doesnt work' please
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !details | mickyyy
[07:33] <mickyyy> # hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass null  /dev/sdasecurity_password: "null"
[07:33] <mickyyy> hdparm --user-master u --security-erase null /dev/sda
[07:33] <mickyyy> null
[07:33] <mickyyy>  Issuing SECURITY_SET_PASS command, password="null", user=user, mode=high
[07:33] <mickyyy> SG_IO: bad/missing sense data, sb[]:  70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0a 04 51 40 01 21 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
[07:33] <mickyyy> root@ubuntu:~# hdparm --user-master u --security-erase null /dev/sda
[07:33] <tyamur> didals please you problem
[07:34] <ducasse> !paste | mickyyy
[07:35] <mickyyy> # hdparm --user-master u --security-erase "null" /dev/nvme0n1
[07:35] <mickyyy> security_password: "null"
[07:35] <mickyyy>  Issuing SECURITY_ERASE command, password="null", user=user
[07:35] <mickyyy>  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[07:35] <mickyyy> ERASE_PREPARE: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[07:35] <mickyyy> ok
[07:35] <mickyyy> can someone just remotly connect to me and do the magic
[07:35] <seliot> sudo su atp install java <- Error why not?
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> mickyyy: use a pastebin as ducasse sugested
[07:36] <ducasse> mickyyy: no, that's not how things work here
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> mickyyy: and please tell us first what your trying to do?
[07:36] <tyamur> sudo apt-get install java
[07:37] <mickyyy> im trying to crypto erase my nvme and hard drive cuz i put bios password on start up
[07:37] <mickyyy> and now i cant figre out what is it
[07:37] <mickyyy> so i guess crypto erase em but still dont let me
 not operating
[07:38] <ducasse> mickyyy: you're trying to reset your bios password?
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> seliot: what are you doing?
[07:39] <seliot> sudo su apt install java  not download
[07:39] <bax3l33t> hello can i have two SDL's version packages installed is it possible create conflicts?
[07:39] <seliot> Error
[07:40] <mickyyy> welll is that
[07:40] <mickyyy> somehow possable
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> bax3l33t: we always reccomend not to mix package versions on ubuntu
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> bax3l33t: can you explain what you did exactly?
[07:41] <ducasse> mickyyy: normally you would use a jumper on the motherboard to clear the nvram, try asking in ##hardware
[07:41] <mickyyy> becouse if you know how i will .................
[07:41] <seliot> downloading now thx tyamur
[07:41] <mickyyy> ammmm its lenovo laptop
[07:41] <kraiskil> seliot, remove the 'su', and try again
[07:42] <mickyyy> y700 and coudnt find one
[07:42] <bax3l33t> yep i upgrade my processor to I7 and i had to re-install mame emulator
[07:42] <bax3l33t> entirely
[07:42] <seliot> resolve thanks
[07:42] <tyamur> working?
[07:43] <bax3l33t> i saved it on a external hard-disk
[07:43] <bax3l33t> ready to go
[07:43] <bax3l33t> but when i ran it
[07:43] <bax3l33t> no sound and no images
[07:43] <bax3l33t> i installed recommended packages
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> bax3l33t: easy on the enter button, try to explain it all in one line please
[07:44] <bax3l33t> also last SDL
[07:44] <bax3l33t> and the image came but not sound
[07:45] <bax3l33t> i have some issue with other video software
[07:46] <bax3l33t> i noticed steam video player and the default video player have no video or no sound
[07:47] <bax3l33t> when run a rom on mame emulator i can play but no sound i tried to change config file of mame to alsa, pulse, arts etc but it doesn't work and keep to auto = SDL
[07:49] <bax3l33t> its annoying i think i have not good packages of SDL
[07:50] <seliot> mr.robot
[07:50] <bax3l33t> i already have this issue but i turned to pulse in config file and it worked but not this time
[07:51] <bax3l33t> mame emulator config file of course
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> seliot: stop that please
[07:54] <Zajt> Hi! If I got an ubuntu VM and I created 10 different users on it, do I need to setup or fix some setting to make people on the same network as the VM be able to ssh into it and see their home folder etc?
[07:55] <Zajt> or can you do: ssh username1@localhost from devices on the same network?
[07:58] <ducasse> Zajt: no settings should be needed
[07:59] <Zajt> ducasse: got "connect to host localhost port 22: connection refused". Do I need to change some iptables?
[08:00] <tyamur> I,n know(
[08:01] <ducasse> Zajt: check that sshd is running
[08:01] <eliot> oh..nice xchat
[08:01] <Guest83949> I changed my video driver in ubuntu 16.04 but it crashes and I can't even login.  How can I reset the video driver back?  I'm running off a live kubuntu usb right now.
[08:03] <Zajt> ducasse: it isn't running, i'll try to install openssh-server
[08:04] <ducasse> Zajt: yes, that's needed
[08:06] <Zajt> Worked now :) now I need some help with fixing permissions, right now I can ssh into user1 but still move to user10's home folder
[08:06] <Zajt> I want to fix so that user1 only have permissions to read,write and execute inside all user1 stuff, which permission number do I need to add for this?
[08:07] <ducasse> !permissions
[08:16] <Zajt> ducasse: so if I wanna change permission for all of the files/folders for a user, I add: -R /home ?
[08:17] <ducasse> -R /home/username
[08:17] <geirha> -R would be overkill
[08:18] <geirha> sudo chmod 700 /home/*   and all those homedirs will only be accesible to their respective users (and root)
[08:25] <Zajt> nice it worked, thanks guys! :)
[08:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[08:49] <davegravemave> i cant get grub to install on a macbook plz halp
[08:49] <davegravemave> im a girl btw =)
[08:49] <davegravemave> please
[08:51] <Guest88030> you have rEFInd installed? what's the problem/error?
[08:51] <hellomye> it just wont install
[08:52] <hellomye> boot repair tells me iom good to go but then i reboot
[08:52] <hellomye> and nothing
[08:53] <hellomye> the worst part is that macos wont install back on it lol
[08:53] <Guest88030> you have refind? or you dont have dualboot?
[08:53] <hellomye> no dualboot
[08:54] <Guest88030> maybe this one: http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/
[08:55] <hellomye> all of those guides ive seen require u have macos installed
[08:55] <hellomye> i dont have it installed, and cant reinstall
[08:55] <ntz> hmmm
[08:56] <hellomye> xubuntu is installed but cant boot into it because no grub
[08:57] <Guest88030> did you boot with option key pressed?
[08:57] <ntz> I've helped to my new colleague with installation of his corporate workstation, he has chosen ubuntu and I haw to say wow, everything worked out-of-the box and even with wayland it works (at least on the surface) fine ... I'm impressed
[08:57] <hellomye> yes
[08:57] <hellomye> ive done both , with and without
[08:57] <ntz> o.O
[08:58] <hellomye> im helping my friend with this, he got a soybook to replace his thinkpad
[08:58] <hellomye> lol
[08:58] <Guest88030> but you only get a black screen, no errors?
[08:58] <hellomye> you mean when booting?
[08:58] <Guest88030> yes
[08:59] <hellomye> the screen is gray and shows the folder symbol indicating no bootable media
[08:59] <Guest88030> ah ok
[08:59] <hellomye> its a 2012 mac if it matters
[09:00] <hellomye> its fucked, cant install any OS
[09:01] <Guest88030> whats in the etc/default/grub ?
[09:01] <hellomye> how can i check?
[09:01] <hellomye> i cant boot
[09:02] <Guest88030> with your xubuntu live usb stick?
[09:02] <hellomye> ok
[09:03] <yogurt99> is there a way for me to use the command line to get apt to install multiple packages- python-docopt and python3-docopt
[09:04] <yogurt99> so if there are many files following the format python?-docopt
[09:04] <yogurt99> if i use python?-docopt it'll miss python-docopt as it treats ? as any character, but still a character..
[09:07] <brainwash> yogurt99: python{,3}-docopt
[09:07] <JimBuntu> yogurt99, add a space and the next application name you want to install... i.e., apt-get install package-1 package-2 package-3 and so forth
[09:08] <hellomye> im having trouble navigiating to the hdd? i have
[09:14] <yogurt99> brainwash: thanks, that's it
[09:15] <zetheroo> 17.10 doesn't allow me to enter a route for a VPN connection without entering a Gateway ... this worked on 16.04 :/
[09:16] <yogurt99> so using apt-get install python{,3}-docopts - is the {} parameter substitution?
[09:16] <yogurt99> trying to find more info about what those characters are
[09:17] <BluesKaj> zetheroo, which vpn protocol?
[09:17] <zetheroo> openvpn
[09:18] <BluesKaj> do you have the .ovpn files added to /etc/openvpn ?
[09:19] <yogurt99> or is the {} a 'wildcard'?
[09:20] <zetheroo> BluesKaj: no, just entering the settings via the NM GUI
[09:21] <BluesKaj> zetheroo, maybe reinstall the vpn service's app if it uses a GUI
[09:22]  * JimBuntu has never even used the NM GUI for a VPN, always does VPN from shell, yikes.
[09:26] <BluesKaj> yeah  JimBuntu, I don'r bother with gui, just use an alias in the cli to run the coomand and choose a location server as part of the alias.
[09:27] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, +1, I too use an aliases for this unless I am one-off testing new credentials.
[09:28] <BluesKaj> it takes abo=it of work to setup, but I've done it so many times on new kubuntu versions that it takes only a few mins to set up now.
[09:28] <zetheroo> alright, but the GUI is there to be used  ...  and it did in 16.04
[09:28] <BluesKaj> a bit of work
[09:29] <BluesKaj> zetheroo, yes , try to reinstall it
[09:29] <zetheroo> Ok
[09:30] <BluesKaj> if you've upgraded then do need to reinstall since it's not a default
[09:38] <_ruben> yogurt99: "apt-get install python{,3}-docopts" is identical to "apt-get install python-docopts python3-docopts"
[09:39] <yogurt99> ruben: yep, but I was trying to understand what {} represented or is named in bash
[09:39] <yogurt99> is it an "escape character"
[09:43] <ntz> question: helping my colleague to install buntu, I don't use buntu for myself
[09:43] <_ruben> yogurt99: it's called "shell globbing" .. see for example: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html
[09:44] <ntz> Q: I did completely manual setup of partitions from `try ubuntu' (live system) ... We want LVM in LUKS (and we have it alredy) ... do we have to create a separate /boot ?
[09:44] <ntz> or it's enough to have /dev/sda1 for /boot/efi and the /boot in encrtypted lvm
[09:48] <yogurt99> _ruben: ty, exactly what I was looking for.
[09:55] <dxc> Hi folks!  Does anyone know if it will be possible to do a dev > LTS upgrade when the LTS comes out?
[09:59] <BluesKaj> dxc , it'll be automayic if you just keep updating and upgrading til and including the release date
[09:59] <BluesKaj> automatic
[09:59] <dxc> ok
[10:00] <dxc> cool, ty o/
[10:01] <BluesKaj> dxc, don'r be disappointed if you don't see huge upgrades on the release date, because you'll be close to the full upgrade already
[10:01] <dxc> oh
[10:01] <dxc> I know
[10:02] <BluesKaj> alright
[10:02] <dxc> I'm just looking to get out of the dev release without having to reinstall
[10:02] <dxc> (I don't really mind reinstalling, I'm just kinda lazy...)
[10:02] <BluesKaj> you won'\t need to reinsdtall
[10:03] <dxc> yeah, just keep up with do-release-upgrade or w/e it is, right?
[10:03] <BluesKaj> nope, just normal sudo apt update and upgrade, no do-release needed
[10:04] <dxc> ah ok
[10:04] <dxc> cool
[10:04] <dxc> thanks again
[10:04] <BluesKaj> yw
[10:04] <dxc> I should go to bed now so I don't do anything else stupid...haha
[10:05] <BluesKaj> it's not stupid..Bionic is quite stable already
[10:06] <dxc> yeah
[10:06] <dxc> anyway
[10:06] <dxc> night
[10:21] <new0> lokifaer, kostkon, tomreyn, here?
[10:39] <arunkumar413> #lineageos
[10:40] <ANSCH> hey im trying out ubuntu 18.04 server, but i get ssl error every time i try to contact a remote https server, ssl error using both curl and wget. Tried installing openssl1.0 in case that was needed, but it didnt help. Dont know how to troubleshoot it really. curl shows error "(35) SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL", openssl s_client shows me "write:errno=104"
[10:40] <Guest82897> hello everyone!!
[10:42] <NDx33xsy> Guest82897: hi)
[10:54] <Haris> hello all
[10:55] <Haris> how to get pecl mongodb php plugin/driver or userland mongodb driver for php on 14.04 ?
[10:57] <ducasse> ANSCH: 18.04 support is in #ubuntu+1
[10:58] <ANSCH> oh thanks
[11:08] <user__> dkl
[11:12] <Gruan> Hi, anyone know how i can set start parameters to an app installed via snap?
[11:23] <Zajt> What are the default permissions when you create a file? what number?
[11:26] <francis3> Hello there. I have a problem with x11. But before I will go there I will describe what I did. I am currently using ubuntu 14 LTS. There was a grafic proplem due to an "unclaimed" grafic card in lshw. I searched for this problem on google and I found this bug report: https://bugs.dogfood.paddev.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1316035 Therefore I tried to  use the vesa driver and define a
[11:26] <francis3> xorg config file as described in the bug. Unfortunately, I was not able to install vesa driver due to some package dependencies on xorg. Due to this I removed xorg. I am now able to install the vesa driver but I would like to have my "Desktop" back. But I can't install xorg because of some virtual package called xorg-renamed-package. I checked apt-cache depends -> <xorg-renamed-package>. When
[11:26] <francis3> I try to deinstall this package I get the message: cannot locate xorg-renamed-package. So any ideas how I can solve this?
[11:26] <ducasse> Zajt: see 'help umask'
[11:26] <Zajt> ty
[11:28] <qwert> hi
[11:29] <lol_> hey
[11:31] <lol_> hey
[11:31] <lol_> You see my message or not ?
[11:32] <lol_> hello
[11:32] <lol_> test
[11:32] <lol_> test
[11:32] <lol_> test
[11:32] <lol_> test
[11:32] <lol_> test
[11:45] <ericrajuin> yes
[12:03] <francis3> I pull back my question, I somehow got it to work know.
[12:03] <francis3> using vesa driver
[12:05] <Zajt> I am trying to fix the welcome message when you connect to ssh, and I uncommented Banner /etc/issue.net line in sshd_config, then I added my message in issue.net, but my message shows up before you write the password and after that comes the default ubuntu welcome message
[12:05] <Zajt> How can I move my message so it shows up after you have entered the password?
[12:06] <Triffid_Hunter> Zajt: hmm ~/.bashrc or /etc/profile perhaps?
[12:08] <JimBuntu> Zajt, are you wanting to change the MOTD?
[12:08] <Zajt> none of the info in the default message was in those files Triffid_Hunter
[12:08] <Zajt> yes I guess it's called that
[12:09] <pari42> Hello everyone,whats the recommended desktop virtualisation software for ubuntu? is it still virtualbox?
[12:09] <Zajt> there is information right now "Welcome to Ubuntu 16.04...., Documentation, management, support. 5 packages can be updated, 0 updates are security updates"
[12:09] <pari42> thanks
[12:09] <Zajt> I want to place my message instead of that message there after you have ssh'd in
[12:09] <pari42> just need to run a few linux vm's for learning how to manage a cluster,
[12:10] <ducasse> !kvm | pari42
[12:10] <JimBuntu> Zajt, then depending on what you have installed, what you may be looking for are the scripts within /etc/update-motd.d
[12:11] <Triffid_Hunter> pari42: Ι use virtualbox for windows, but that sounds like a job for simple chroots rather than full virtualization
[12:12] <pari42> @Triffid_Hunter I prefer a VM as I can wipe them super easy and there is very little risk of me doing any damage to the host machine
[12:16] <Zajt> nice JimBuntu it was there!
[12:16] <Zajt> is it find to remove all files there and insert a new text file with some random name where I place my welcome message?
[12:16] <Zajt> fine*
[12:17] <lapaga> does not ubuntu  suggest kvm for non graphical server and virtualbox for graphical?
[12:17] <Triffid_Hunter> Zajt: should be, but apt-get update might replace them occasionally
[12:18] <JimBuntu> Zajt, the files within that .d directory are run by parts-runner or such, they should be executable scripts. You can simply make a script to show your message though. I generally don't remove the scripts, I simply `chmod -x` the ones I don't want to run. Either way, you don't NEED to have any scripts in there for SSH to work fine
[12:21] <Zajt> alright I'll do a simple script with only printf lines, but do I need to change somewhere else so it run my script?
[12:22] <JimBuntu> Zajt, simplay make sure to prefix the name of your script with digits, as the files in that dir are processed numerically.
[12:22] <Zajt> alright great, will create a file called like 02-script
[12:23] <Zajt> is banner a separate thing from this?
[12:23] <JimBuntu> Zajt, yup, that should work fine, make sure to +x it, and follow any other best practices you may follow for writing scripts.
[12:23] <JimBuntu> Zajt, Yes. Banner is for BEFORE login, MOTD is for after
[12:23] <Zajt> alright
[12:23] <Zajt> will be annoying to fix this since I got ascii art hhaa
[12:23] <Zajt> haha*
[12:24] <JimBuntu> Zajt, nah, it's still simple. I have ascii art and some ANSI for all my things :-D
[12:25] <Zajt> alright let me try :D
[12:25] <Zajt> line for line with printf probably
[12:25] <wh0ami> hy all
[12:25] <wh0ami> i am from indonesian
[12:25] <wh0ami> clear
[12:26] <JimBuntu> Zajt, example... name is currently "99-footer" other than the shebang, it's simply...         [ -f /etc/motd.tail ] && cat /etc/motd.tail || true
[12:26] <wh0ami> hello ???
[12:26] <JimBuntu> wh0ami, hi. Do you have an ubuntu question?
[12:26] <Zajt> well I don't need to use those files?
[12:27] <Zajt> I am thinking of only creating my file in /etc/update-motd.d
[12:27] <wh0ami> p
[12:27] <wh0ami> p
[12:27] <wh0ami> p
[12:27] <wh0ami> p
[12:27] <wh0ami> p
[12:27] <wh0ami> p
[12:27] <JimBuntu> Zajt, Nope, you don't need to, but I am more used to editing the /etc/motd.tail file, so I keep on using it even though it's not the "right" way any more
[12:27] <Zajt> oh I see
[12:27] <Zajt> :D
[12:27] <omarv_> Hi, to get support about 18.08 , what channel should I use ?
[12:27] <raidghost> Any Advice about tablet that can run Ubuntu? need to be touch screen
[12:27] <JimBuntu> 18.04 ? #ubuntu+1
[12:28] <Haris> how to get "phpize" utility on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[12:28] <Haris> for php5.5.38
[12:28] <Haris> correction: 5.5.9
[12:28] <JimBuntu> !cookie | TheRedQueen
[12:28] <JimBuntu> !info phpize
[12:29] <Zajt> JimBuntu: do you have -x on 98-fsck-at-reboot and 98-reboot-required? doesn't look like those are welcome messages so maybe i should have them +x
[12:29] <JimBuntu> Zajt, I do keep both of those, simply so I'll know, but not required
[12:31] <zanshin> wh0ami: If you have a question just ask
[12:33] <Haris> is it possible with apt-cache or apt-get to see info on the update pkg or what version a pkg is going to get updated to ?
[12:33] <Haris> on 14.04
[12:33] <eraserpencil> How might I be able to shutdown without a GUI or without permissions?
[12:34] <JimBuntu> Haris, apt-cache showpkg <package name>
[12:34] <JimBuntu> eraserpencil,  `shutdown`
[12:35] <eraserpencil> that needs root permissions
[12:35] <JimBuntu> eraserpencil, press the power button once
[12:36] <omarv_> Hi all, someone could tell me what channel support Ubuntu 18.04 ?
[12:36] <eraserpencil> haha I'd very much like to shutdown my computer via a website
[12:36] <JimBuntu> omarv_, #ubuntu+1
[12:36] <omarv_> thanks
[12:37] <JimBuntu> eraserpencil, why would your website not use a user with the ability to shutdown? If you need sudo or root for shutdown, you could grant the specific user sudo nopasswd for the shutdown command via customized /etc/sudoers file
[12:38] <eraserpencil> ahhh okay
[12:39] <eraserpencil> I'll google how to add that
[12:39] <eraserpencil> thanks
[12:39] <JimBuntu> yw
[12:40] <wh0ami> helloooooooooooo
[12:40] <Haris> what provides 'pcre.h' on 14.04 ?
[12:41] <Haris> got it
[12:41] <JimBuntu> !ask | wh0ami
[12:49] <Zajt> JimBuntu: I fixed that file, restarted sshd, but still same message
[12:51] <JimBuntu> Zajt, "same" as in you still get the output from the other scripts that you -x'd?
[12:51] <Zajt> exactly
[12:52] <dhs42523535> Zajt: were you able to figure out the welcome message issue
[12:52] <dhs42523535> ?
[12:53] <Zajt> dhs42523535: not yet
[12:53] <dhs42523535> Zajt: just noticed what you were trying to do. So im sorry but help me understand this real quick. you are trying to get custom welcome message poping up whenever you log in using ssh?
[12:53] <JimBuntu> I think there may be a once every 10 minute kind of cron job that updates the file
[12:54] <Zajt> I added a bash file called 02-script in /etc/update-motd.d folder, then made -x on the other default welcomes, restarted sshd, but still same default messages
[12:54] <Zajt> yes dhs42523535
[12:54] <Zajt> it might be that I have to wait some minutes, will try waiting a bit
[12:54] <dhs42523535> Zajt: ok its really simple go to your home directory and go do a ls -lah
[12:54] <dhs42523535> Zajt: you will see a file named .bashrc
[12:54] <JimBuntu> That's another reason I like to have the dynamic side reference a static file that I can change at will.
[12:55] <Zajt> yes dhs42523535 I checked that one earlier
[12:55] <dhs42523535> Zajt: now go all the way to the bottom of the file and just for the heck of it try echo "test" and than sign out and see if that sticks
[12:55] <dhs42523535> Zajt: and it didnt work?
[12:55] <Zajt> I didn't add anything to it
[12:55] <Zajt> just looked at it, didn't see welcome message there
[12:56] <dhs42523535> Zajt: go ahead and go all the way to the bottom using pgdn and type echo "this is a welcome message" and than save and exit out
[12:56] <dhs42523535> Zajt: than try loggin back. you should be seeing the message
[12:57] <dhs42523535> Zajt: by loggin back i mean sign out all together and than try ssh in
[12:57] <Zajt> I don't see that message
[12:57] <Zajt> after signing in again
[12:58] <dhs42523535> can you varify if you did in fact make the change to the file named .bashrc
[12:58] <dhs42523535> Zajt: do a cat .bashrc
[12:58] <dhs42523535> Zajt: see if you see your echo "WHATEVER YOU WROTE HERER" command
[12:59] <Zajt> I see it
[12:59] <dhs42523535> and its under your home/YOURFOLDER/ place?
[12:59] <JimBuntu> as in ~/.bashrc
[12:59] <dhs42523535> it should be here /home/YOURHOME/.bashrc
[13:00] <JimBuntu> dhs42523535, maybe they aren't even using bash?
[13:00] <dhs42523535> JimBuntu: what do u mean?
[13:01] <JimBuntu> dhs42523535, bash is one of many shells, perhaps they aren't using bash, so no bashrc would be called. Maybe make the change in /etc/profile instead
[13:01] <dhs42523535> Zajt: that should be good enough for local user welcome message.. :/ so im confused to why its not doing it. if u wanna change the global message u can go under motd
[13:01] <Zajt> what is the difference between them?
[13:01] <Zajt> I only want to remove the default welcome message after ssh signin and put my own there
[13:02] <Zajt> so it shows up for every user that ssh into it
[13:02] <dhs42523535> JimBuntu: never really changed stuff in /etc/profile before lol
[13:03] <dhs42523535> Zajt: which linux distro r u using
[13:03] <JimBuntu> Zajt, `sudo run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/` then try to SSH in
[13:04] <dhs42523535> Zajt: go to /etc/update-motd.d and do an ls
[13:04] <Zajt> oh fuck JimBuntu
[13:04] <Zajt> that gave me an error in the my file
[13:04] <Zajt> EOF in backquote substitution
[13:04] <Zajt> so that's why
[13:04] <dhs42523535> Zajt: you will see all those files that is responsible for the welcome messages
[13:05] <JimBuntu> Zajt, someone will likely warn you, might as well be me. We try very hard to keep this channel using family friendly language.
[13:05] <Zajt> oh I am sorry for that
[13:05] <Zajt> will not do it again
[13:06] <JimBuntu> Everyone learns, some sooner than others. I don't even say most words allowed on broadcast TV nowadays, lol
[13:06] <Zajt> do you know what that error means? trying to google atm, it's a bash question but maybe you have solved something similar
[13:07] <dhs42523535> Zajt: there should be a coloring telling you what the error is
[13:07] <dhs42523535> which file r u in that gave u that error
[13:07] <JimBuntu> Zajt, possibly you are using quotes somewhere, maybe they are open and without an ending quote
[13:08] <dhs42523535> Zajt: i ll let JimBuntu help u cos two person helping can be opposite to being helpful
[13:08] <dhs42523535> lol
[13:08] <Zajt> I use quotes but went through them and I have closed each of them
[13:08] <Zajt> haha yeah
[13:08] <Zajt> thanks man!
[13:08] <JimBuntu> Zajt, I suggest trying my method, where you call a simple text file. That removes a lot of potential issues
[13:09] <JimBuntu> dhs42523535, if I start slacking and don't reply quickly, please feel free to jump in and I'll hand lead back to you, this is a community and I appreciate what everyone does to help others
[13:11] <dhs42523535> JimBuntu: lol its all good man. and sure thing. i just jump in here and there in the middle of my work if i get bored
[13:19] <gallop> I found a bug in ibus and I want to report where can I do?
[13:19] <gallop> I hope it will be fixed when bionic release
[13:20] <JimBuntu> gallop,  https://github.com/ibus/ibus/issues ?
[13:21] <gallop> @JinBuntu github or launchpad? Sorry this is the first time I make a report
[13:23] <Zajt> Got it to work now, thanks for the help guys! Appreciate it a lot
[13:24] <JimBuntu> gallop, I am not sure which is more appropriate, I suppose if you want it as quickly as possible, then launchpad... then they can make sure it is pushed back to original devs if needed
[13:24] <JimBuntu> YAY Zajt !
[13:24] <dhs42523535> Zajt: you are welcome my friend
[13:24] <gallop> Thank you
[13:25] <dhs42523535> ok question for someone... if anyone is using weechat. how do u do split screen ?
[13:25] <dhs42523535> on a linux terminal
[13:26] <dhs42523535> no no wait let me rephrase the question. how do you split screen a weechat on linux terminal
[13:30] <JimBuntu> dhs42523535, I don't use weechat, but looks like "/window splitv <percent>" is an example for vertical splitting
[13:31] <dhs42523535> JimBuntu: thanks man. reading through the documentation now.. was feeling lazy earlier lol
[13:32] <JimBuntu> yw dhs42523535
[13:36] <dhs42523535> /date/time
[13:39] <Cheez> I've a deep directory tree, and I want to move all files up a directory. I can work out how to move all files from direct children to the current, but not from any arbitrary depth to the parent. find . -type f -mindepth 2 -type -f -exec mv -nt ./ {} \; moves all files in direct children up a directory, i'm guessing i need some sort of basename call for the -t flag but i can't work it out, any ideas?
[13:40] <JimBuntu> Cheez, one idea, use 'cut' to split and rebuild the directory structure
[13:45] <neure> how about simple mv * .. ?
[13:45] <JimBuntu> neure, I would suspect that will act upon the users current working directory, but it's worth a quick trial
[13:46] <neure> pushd, mv, popd?
[13:46] <geirha> if done recursively, it will completely flatten tree, no?
[13:48] <Cheez> yeah i don't want it flattened, i'm just playing with cut atm
[13:48] <geirha> then an mv like neure suggested is the way to go
[13:49] <geirha> for dir in ./*/; do (cd "$dir" && mv ./* ..); done
[13:50] <geirha> and enable dotglob (shopt -s dotglob) if you want to include files starting with .
[13:50] <Cheez> essentially i've ended up with a few thousand files that should be in the form /arbitrary/path/length/files/filename.ext and instead it's /arbitrary/path/length/files/randomstring/filename.ext, so i need to move the files wherever they are to their parent directory, omitting the randomstring directory
[13:50] <Cheez> /arbitrary/path/length ranges from 2 to 8 directories deep
[13:51] <geirha> ok, so that's why you need find...
[13:51] <Cheez> i figured ideally just using find and exec would work, but of course exec executes in the current path not in the found file path.
[13:52] <geirha> find ./*/*/ -type f -execdir mv {} .. \;
[13:52]  * Cheez reads up on -execdir
[13:52] <Cheez> ahaa, perfect
[13:52] <Cheez> thanks
[13:52] <Cheez> didn't see that one at all >_>
[13:53] <sohail-ahmed> I can not open my display settings by doing either $gnome-control-center display or using mouse through system settings. Here is output I get when I do that in terminal: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y6sTKqmQzY/       Would some body plz help. The problem might be that I had dual display some time ago...
[13:53] <Cheez> it's like right underneatth it in the manpage either :p
[13:57] <DK2> im trying to install with preseed and hwe linux / initrd.gz on an amd ryzen. after loading the pxe files i get the kernel panic: http://abload.de/image.php?img=traffic5jpm9.jpg
[13:57] <DK2> however installing with the netboot image does work
[13:57] <DK2> what could cause this?
[13:57] <DK2> 16.04
[14:08] <dhs232423> 2
[14:28] <MJCD> hey I am trying to switch my ubuntu build to use xdm
[14:29] <MJCD> but its not working
[14:29] <MJCD> consistently fails to start session
[14:29] <MJCD> nothing obvious in the logs as to why
[14:31] <MJCD> dmesg just shows it continuing to start up
[14:31] <MJCD> then never does
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> what version of Ubuntu are you running MJCD ?
[14:33] <MJCD> 17.10
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, do you mean X11 in place of Wayland?
[14:34] <MJCD> yes
[14:34] <MJCD> and then fluxbox probably
[14:35] <MJCD> though I want to try the standard x window manager
[14:37] <MJCD> on the login page when running xdm which was JUST installed
[14:37] <MJCD> but still does not start session after login
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, is the computer boot and displaying a login screen?
[14:38] <MJCD> pragmaticenigma, yes a graphical one
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, there should be a drop down for choosing the session, and one of the options should be Ubuntu on Xorg
[14:38] <MJCD> yeah so thats another weird thing
[14:39] <MJCD> there is no session config available
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, no sproket icon next to the sign in button?
[14:40] <MJCD> this just goes from bad to worse
[14:40] <MJCD> screenshot
[14:40] <MJCD> http://prntscr.com/j6xme2
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, has the machine been rebooted since installing X11?
[14:41] <MJCD> yes I JUST did so for the SECOND time
[14:41] <MJCD> and this shot is the result
[14:41] <MJCD> agg
[14:41] <MJCD> now it does it over restart consistently
[14:41] <MJCD> can get to console
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, Okay, that all help figure things out... though I'm not sure how to resolve the current corrupted screen. We could try editing /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and uncommenting or adding the line "WaylandEnable=false"
[14:43] <MJCD> ok let me try that
[14:44] <MJCD> wait
[14:44] <MJCD> im not using gdm anymore
[14:44] <MJCD> thats part of the problem
[14:44] <MJCD> im using xdm
[14:45] <ducasse> MJCD: i'm not sure if xdm supports things lke a dropdown to select session
[14:45] <ducasse> it's pretty ancient
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, can you send us the link where you had instructions for doing this change?
[14:46] <MJCD> pragmaticenigma, eh they are varied
[14:46] <MJCD> basically
[14:46] <MJCD> im trying to avoid installing ubuntu-desktop
[14:46] <MJCD> or even xubuntu-desktop
[14:46] <MJCD> I want a 100% baseline install, switched to x11 including xserver
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, are you at a stage where reinstallation would be an option?
[14:47] <compdoc> I install Ubuntu Server, then a minimal Mate desktop so i can remote to it
[14:48] <oerheks> .. and why xdm ..
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, they already told us? trying to see if we can do a reinstall from the minimal install ISO, letting them install what the want from the ground up instead
[14:50] <oerheks> no url from the guides he followed, how could you help him ?
[14:50] <oerheks> i appreciate your support, pragmaticenigma, don't get me wrong :-D
[14:50] <MJCD> pragmaticenigma, yeah absolutely
[14:50] <MJCD> should I just start with a xubuntu-desktop install
[14:50] <MJCD> and then trim it down?
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, what I would propose is grabbing the mini.iso image. It will install only the core of Ubuntu to get you up and running. From there, you can use APT to install the packages you desire.
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, take a look at the instructions here. It also has the link to the image. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[14:52] <SlidingHorn> MJCD: you're more likely to remove things you still need from that method...best bet is to do what pragmaticenigma just suggested:  mini.iso and just add what you need (a light WM...maybe a DM if you feel you need a graphical login)
[14:52] <ducasse> that doesn't support uefi, afaik, if he wants that
[14:53] <MJCD> well thats basically what ive done
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> ducasse, there are instructions on the page I linked to for how to handle UEFI requirements. Instead of mini.iso, you grab the Ubuntu Server ISO, and follow the instructions
[14:53] <MJCD> but have this issue
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> MJCD, the issue I think we're having is XDM I don't believe is in active development and I'm surprised it's in the repos still. If I were to recommend anything it would be LightDM, which has been used in the past few releases
[14:55] <oerheks> mini iso does no uefi ..
[14:55] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#mini_system_in_UEFI_mode
[14:55] <MJCD> ok, reinstall
[14:55] <MJCD> back shortly
[15:00] <umbSublime> Hi, I'm not sure this is phrased correctly, but my question is: How to make ubuntu-desktop (16.04) boot on TTY1, instead of TTY7 (graphical)
[15:00] <umbSublime> I have disabled the lightdm service (because I just want a shell), but then TTY7 just hangs
[15:01] <oerheks> umbSublime, sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target # and you would boot to tty1, to return to gui-boot: sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target #
[15:01] <umbSublime> where # is the tty ?
[15:02] <oerheks> no, that line will do
[15:02] <umbSublime> this will make TTY1 a shell, or rather boot and drop me on TTY1 ?
[15:03] <umbSublime> err TTY7 a shell*
[15:06] <EriC^^> umbSublime: what line?
[15:07] <umbSublime> what is the exact effect of "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" ? What TTY will I land on after reboot ?
[15:08] <brainwash> umbSublime: 1
[15:10] <umbSublime> thanks, will I need to also edit grub config with "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"" as said here https://askubuntu.com/questions/825094/how-do-i-boot-directly-to-tty1-in-ubuntu ?
[15:11] <umbSublime> IOn fact instead of asking my questions I should just explain what I actually want as a result. I want that when I boot it opens on TTY with a login prompt
[15:11] <umbSublime> TTY1*
[15:11] <oerheks> no need to edit grub, sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target is enough
[15:13] <ducasse> multi-user.target, you mean
[15:13] <oerheks> oops, copied the wrong line, thx ducasse
[15:13] <oerheks> sun & lcd is no fun ..
[15:18] <umbSublime> thanks
[15:39] <litewq> could someone tell what is the lifecycle of a process and what are all the system call that executed.. i knw a bit about fork exec and wait
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> litewq, that might be a better question asked in ##linux
[15:49] <ty> Hello
[15:50] <Guest98965> Second day with Ubuntu MATE installed
[15:53] <theseb> help! i see cron when i check ps output but still daily backup script doesn't fire!? how debug?
[15:56] <leftyfb> theseb: I guarantee you the cron job is running, it's just your script is failing being a cron job since things work slightly differently
[15:57] <leftyfb> theseb: grep -i cron /var/log/syslog #  will more than likely show you the times cron has run including your script
[15:57] <leftyfb> theseb: please post the line for your script in cron as well as the script itself ..... to pastebin
[15:58] <litewq> where is the core dump stored?
[15:58] <theseb> leftyfb: thanks! just a sec
[15:59] <Guest95159> hello everyone
[16:00] <nacc> litewq: depends on your configuration, usually /var/crash on ubuntu
[16:00] <theseb> leftyfb: brilliant! that grepping of syslog confirms cron is working!....posting to pastebin now...
[16:01] <litewq> nacc: where do we configure that setting in ubuntu
[16:01] <Guest95159> hello
[16:02] <theseb> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/eUgUJGeD
[16:02] <nacc> litewq: see /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[16:02] <theseb> leftyfb: 2 more comments...1. it works when i run it myself...2. I have a symlink in cron.daiy....# ls -las /etc/cron.daily/backup_home
[16:02] <theseb> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Mar 26 14:53 /etc/cron.daily/backup_home -> /home/backup_home
[16:02] <theseb>
[16:03] <nacc> litewq: on ubuntu, it's all handled by apport
[16:03] <leftyfb> theseb: does it work when run as root? I would put print/echo statements out to a log at points in the script to see where it's failing
[16:04] <leftyfb> theseb: I used to have a script close to that. I've improved it since and it still needs a ton of cleanup and improvement but it works: https://github.com/leftyfb/backup_script
[16:07] <theseb> leftyfb: yes i run it as root
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> Hello Guest95159 , do you have an Ubuntu Supprt question? Before you begin, please consider selecting a unique username for chat to make it easier to respond to you. If you would like to chat or discuss Ubuntu, please join us in #ubuntu+offtopic
[16:09] <theseb> leftyfb: yes print statements..good idea..thanks
[16:13] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: #ubuntu-offtopic, no?
[16:36] <mascarado> 0
[16:36] <mascarado> oii tudo bem
[16:37] <royal_screwup21> I'm trying to figure out how much of free ram is available on my system. I hit "free" and here's the output: https://thepasteb.in/p/nZhl17zPyMKtY What value specifically should I be looking at?
[16:38] <pipp8> royal_screwup21, $free -h :-D
[16:39] <nacc> royal_screwup21: why are you trying to figure that out, specifically?
[16:40] <royal_screwup21> the IDE I want to install says that I need a minimum of 2gb worth of free ram
[16:40] <nacc> royal_screwup21: ... that doesn't make any sense
[16:40] <nacc> royal_screwup21: free memory is a) not a constant and b) you never "want" free RAM
[16:40] <pipp8> royal_screwup21, $free -h
[16:40] <royal_screwup21> nacc: what about it doesn't?
[16:40] <royal_screwup21> https://www.jetbrains.com/help/clion/install-and-set-up-product.html
[16:40] <pipp8> royal_screwup21, column available
[16:40] <nacc> royal_screwup21: you always want all your memory in use, it doesn't do any good to be 'idle'
[16:41] <nacc> royal_screwup21: that's written poorly and is inaccurate, at best, if I had to guess
[16:41] <nacc> royal_screwup21: in any case, how much memory you have free now and how much memory is free for applications are not the same thing
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> nacc, royal_screwup21 : Yeah, that's really bad specs (just one of a couple reasons I refuse to purchase their products). In the meantime, your computer will be able to run the application.
[16:43] <oerheks> one has 8 gb and 8 gb virtual, and worries about 2 gb free ..
[16:44] <nacc> also, what kind of IDE needs 2GB of memory dedicated to iself
[16:44] <nacc> *itself -- just use vi :)
[16:44] <oerheks> sandboxing is a good idea, i guess
[16:45] <tgm4883> nacc: I'd disagree, listing required "free" memory is better than just listing required memory
[16:45] <nacc> tgm4883: it's not a measureable thing
[16:45] <oerheks> https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2017/11/install-intellij-idea-with-snaps/
[16:45] <nacc> (imo)
[16:45] <tgm4883> nacc: what's under the 'free' column then when you use the free command
[16:46] <nacc> tgm4883: that's free right now ... but can undercount what is available
[16:46] <nacc> tgm4883: and obviously between one execution of free and the next, it can change dramatically
[16:46] <pipp8> yeah tmux+vi is the best IDE ever
[16:46] <nacc> tgm4883: perhaps better in #ubuntu-discuss :)
[16:48] <mascarado> help
[16:48] <Guest93534> ubuntu 16.04 I changed the video driver through system settings but the proprietary driver crashes, therefore I'm unable to login through the standard GUI and only have VT access. I of course want to revert to the original open source.  I tried reinstalling xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but it didn't help.
[16:49] <Golynx> I disable updates to Never, but ubuntu keeps checking for updates when i connect to the internet . Why ?
[16:51] <Guest93534> Right now I'm logged in by way of a live usb stick.
[16:51] <Guest93534> Any ideas how to fix system settings through command line?
[17:06] <kempa> hi @ll
[17:09] <Randolf> Hello kempa.
[17:31] <Draconiator> What is the equivalent of c:\Program Files in  here.unch of other folders in tI was thinking it was root, but...theres a bLinux?
[17:32] <Draconiator> er.
[17:33] <nacc> Draconiator: that's almost impossible to parse :)
[17:33] <oerheks>  in /usr/bin or /usr/lib.  (old question) https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-818509.html
[17:33] <oerheks>  there is also /sbin and /usr/sbin. Plus /usr/local/bin, /opt/bin and even /usr/games/. So definitely not a direct comparison to c:\program files!
[17:34] <Draconiator> basically what is the Linux equivalent of c:\program files, Likes to make me sound like Yoda, Hexchat does.
[17:34] <oerheks> settings per user are stored in /home/$USER/
[17:34] <tgm4883> man hier
[17:34] <nacc> Draconiator: it's better to just learn Linux and Unix paths rather than try to find equivalences of Windows paths
[17:35] <nacc> Draconiator: i think technically, /usr is the equivalent, but the layout is so different that it doesn't make sense as a question, imo
[17:35] <oerheks> tgm4883 +1 good start: hier - description of the filesystem hierarchy
[17:38] <Draconiator> Learning as I go here.  Heh.
[17:53] <maskeddriver> I had Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 and I upgraded to Ubuntu 17.10. I can't figure out why, no matter what I do, I can't get rid of the "Ubuntu Gnome" logo from the bottom
[17:53] <maskeddriver> it's like it's divorced from the wallpaper?
[18:08] <quidnunc> My sound isn't working. The wiki pages don't provide enough direction for debugging. I can't open pavucontrol as a regular user. I can open pavucontrol as root but only have dummy output listed. lspci shows my sound card (intel c200). sudo aplay -l also shows my sound devices but I cannot hear any sound, even as root.
[18:08] <quidnunc> How can I further narrow down what is wrong?
[18:09] <ellis> Hi
[18:15] <Mittles> hey I'm wondering if anyone can reproduce this error with Minecraft.jar
[18:15] <Mittles> https://i.imgur.com/HRzRl8J.png
[18:16] <Mittles> I've tried just about everything with purging and reinstalling the certs for openjdk
[18:16] <Mittles> (the snap package does work btw)
[18:17] <kostkon> Mittles, let me see
[18:18] <Mittles> this is on 18.04
[18:18] <Mittles> There are plenty of posts recommending different ways of updating the CAs, but none have worked
[18:19] <kostkon> Mittles, #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 btw which openjdk version
[18:20] <Mittles> default-java which uses openjdk 9 i think
[18:21] <kostkon> Mittles, works fine here with openjdk8 in 16.04
[18:21] <Mittles> yes as it does in 17.10
[18:21] <kostkon> Mittles, i just tested it
[18:21] <Mittles> the issue is 18.04 :p
[18:21] <kostkon> Mittles, #ubuntu+1 then looks like it's 18.04 specific
[18:22] <oerheks> guides show it uses java 8 minimum, but this is a 18.04 issue
[18:22] <nacc> Mittles: uh, quick google: https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Tutorials/Update_Java
[18:22] <nacc> Mittles: with a specific line saying java 9 requires some manual twiddling
[18:22] <kostkon> Mittles, you could try openjdk8. should be in 18.04 repos. i think..
[18:22] <kostkon> with*
[18:22] <Mittles> I've tried openjdk8
[18:23] <kostkon> Mittles, oh
[18:23] <odroid> hello
[18:23] <Mittles> I'll try with that arguement
[18:23] <odroid> im using odroid xu4
[18:24] <odroid> when i try apt-get update i get > some index files failed to download
[18:27] <kempa> hi all
[18:28] <kempa> anyone can help me with terminator?
[18:29] <odroid> ?
[18:30] <oerheks> odroid, use paste.ubuntu.com for the output please, lets have a look
[18:31] <kempa> i dont know how to save custom commands because when i start terminator after trying save commands i have only empty terminals without this commands
[18:47] <Daegalus> If anyone can help me with what I think is a kernel or kernel module regression in 18.04 beta. I updated recently and my USB-C port no longer works when plugging something in. bunch of PCIe and xHCI errors. Here are my dmesg logs and I can provide other info. the system is a Dell XPS 13 9360 with intel Sunrise PCIe Root. Dmesg from replugging the cable: https://gist.github.com/Daegalus/db500035b76298db86d0031af5a94310 and full dmesg from boot:
[18:47] <Daegalus> https://gist.github.com/Daegalus/bf3b67645dd38e6a9ac2c942505637d8 Totally willing to file a bug but need help diagnosing what the true problem is and the best place to file the ticket.
[18:48] <Daegalus> I upgraded from kernel 4.15.0-13 to -15 and i tried downgrading the kernel, no dice
[18:48] <brainwash> probably best to ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:49] <Daegalus> ok cool, thanks, will do
[19:07] <Iarfen> hi!
[19:08] <Iarfen> how I can install ruby 2.3.1? It says me "you have held broken packages"
[19:10] <krytarik> Pastebin the full error message.
[19:12] <Iarfen> krytarik: this is: https://gist.github.com/Iarfen/3ff7de1397a76c439c2efd9170b193ff
[19:12] <nacc> Iarfen: afaik, 2.3.1 is not in any ubuntu
[19:13] <Iarfen> nacc: why?
[19:13] <nacc> Iarfen: that's definitely not the package name
[19:13] <nacc> Iarfen: look at what you told apt to do and hten what it did
[19:13] <nacc> Iarfen: 1)  you put 'ruby 2.3.1'
[19:13] <nacc> Iarfen: which means the package 'ruby' and the package '2.3.1'
[19:14] <nacc> Iarfen: 2) ruby is installed as either 'ruby' or 'ruby2.3'
[19:14] <nacc> Iarfen: the former being the default ruby interpreter for a given release, and the latter being specifically the 2.3 level in a release
[19:15] <Iarfen> nacc: so I can choose ruby 2.3.latest but not ruby 2.3.1?
[19:15] <nacc> Iarfen: 'ruby2.3.latest' is not a package name either
[19:16] <nacc> Iarfen: you choose the ruby2.3 that the ubuntu developers have shipped
[19:16] <Iarfen> nacc: it was illustrative
[19:16] <nacc> !info ruby2.3 xenial | Iarfen: presuming you are on 16.04
[19:33] <arooni> question; i have ubuntu 16.04 and another hard drive that has ubuntu 14.10 that has home directory encryption enabled (i have the password)... i'm booted into ubuntu 16.04; how do i decrypt the 14.10 /home directory for read/write access?
[19:40] <leftyfb> arooni: ecryptfs-mount-private
[19:41] <arooni> leftyfb: INFO: Success!  Private data mounted at [/tmp/ecryptfs.FhX54rEM]. ;; but when i navigate there; i just see the same Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[19:41] <leftyfb> arooni: you know, when you ask for help with this sort of thing, you should lead with what you have tried already
[19:42] <arooni> leftyfb: sorry for any inconvenience; i was reading about how to use that command when you typed it in here
[19:42] <leftyfb> arooni: https://askubuntu.com/questions/36573/trying-to-mount-old-encrypted-home
[19:42] <leftyfb> arooni: I googled for "ubuntu ecryptfs-mount-private"
[19:43] <leftyfb> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/ecryptfs-recover-private.1.html
[19:51] <jmnk> Hello Hi, I need to recover 2TB of multiple ISO files (quick formatted NTFS to NTFS), my questions is - Should I do it using 1)using linux - recover image with "ddrescue" & then extract files with foremost & scalpel? I'm afraid they won't recover ISO files, can anyone please comment? 2) Or should I go with EaseUS Data recovery on windows!? recovering ISO is the main concern. Any experience/advice/help is highly appreciated!
[20:00] <oerheks> jmnk, windows would be preferrable, or the testdisk util in a live session, or use ntfsprogs - ntfsundelete https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery#Ntfsprogs
[20:01] <jmnk> oerheks, thanks for reply. May I ask why windows? why not linux?  BTW, thanks for NTFSProgs link.
[20:02] <oerheks> as it is not a posix filesystem.
[20:03] <jmnk> okay. got it. I'll give it a try.
[20:27] <harris> new release is the 26 correct
[20:28] <oerheks> new release of what, harris ?
[20:29] <harris> oerheks: ubuntu
[20:29] <genii> !schedule bionic
[20:30] <genii> Hm
[20:30] <oerheks> !releases
[20:30] <oerheks> it is not 2026 yet
[20:30] <genii> harris: Yes, the 26th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[20:31] <teward> he left by the way
[20:31] <teward> oop nevermind i just can't read
[20:31] <teward> *kicks self*
[20:31]  * genii slides teward a fresh mug of the strong stuff
[20:32] <harris> im still here teward
[20:33] <teward> harris: i know, that's why I said: <teward> oop nevermind i just can't read
[20:42] <vt102> My DNS resolution stopped working.  I can dig @<IP_ADDRESS> fine, and systemd-resolve --status seems to say my DNS server is <IP_ADDRESS>, but if just dig w/out specifying @<IP_ADDRESS>, it times out.  What am I missing?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NQvtFcHTm6/
[20:42] <harris> if i install ubuntu on my pc am and duel boot am i able to revert to a windows only os
[20:43] <oerheks> harris, sure, boot with windows dvd and choose repair, then grb will be removed, and you can delete all non-windows-partitions, easy
[20:43] <oerheks> c/grb/grub
[20:43] <harris> oerheks: i dont have a windows dvd or even a dvd drive for that matter
[20:44] <oerheks> or create a windows usb, with woeusb
[20:44] <oerheks> download is free on the windows site
[20:46] <harris> oerheks: where can i find the windows 10 iso
[20:47] <oerheks> harris, easy to find with your windows version number, not really an Ubuntu support issue
[20:47] <oerheks> !bing windows xx version yy
[20:55] <new0> hi all, can someone explain to me what is the samba syslog? and what is the different to logging?
[21:00] <pascal> hi !
[21:00] <Guest53144> Where I am ?
[21:01] <nacc> Guest53144: this is the ubuntu support channel (see /topic)
[21:01] <nacc> new0: reference?
[21:01] <nacc> new0: and you may want to ask in a samba-specific channel
[21:01] <Guest53144> Ok thanks
[21:02] <new0> nacc, i am not sure what you mean by reference. also AFAIK this is the channel for Ubuntu
[21:03] <oerheks> samba *can* be logged to syslog, http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/samba/book/ch04_08.html but the 2nd part makes no sense to me, different from logging?
[21:03] <nacc> new0: where do you see a reference to 'samba syslog'?
[21:03] <nacc> new0: yes, i know. But we are not subject matters on samba, necessarily, and your question seems like a samba question, not an ubuntu question.
[21:03] <oerheks> standard would be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles#Samba_SMB_Server_Logs
[21:04] <nacc> oerheks: but, afaict, that's not 'samba syslog', that's just syslog, right?
[21:04] <oerheks> nacc jups
[21:04] <new0> nacc in /etc/samba/smb.conf syslong = 0 and testparm give me: WARNING: The "syslog" option is deprecated
[21:05] <nacc> new0: https://askubuntu.com/questions/867243/warning-syslog-option-is-deprecated
[21:05] <new0> nacc, ok. few ppl here already helped me a lot in various thing about ubuntu and also samba
[21:05] <oerheks> AFAIK you need to do more than syslong = 0
[21:06] <new0> nacc yes i read it already, but still not sure how the logging and the level of messages works. and where is the log to be kept? also i reading...
[21:07] <oerheks> good thing it is depreciated. syslog populating with multiple samba issues. current system is better.
[21:07] <nacc> new0: it's also just a warning, afaict
[21:07] <nacc> new0: if you are using syslog, it's probably in /var/log/syslog ...
[21:08] <new0> nacc, https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/current/man-html/smb.conf.5.html#LOGGING this is very helpful but don't really understand it much. does it mean that every level is logging in different log file? and what is the backend do here?
[21:08] <nacc> new0: that would be a question for samba, or someone who knows samba details
[21:08] <nacc> new0: do you understand the difference between the backends listed?
[21:09] <new0> nacc, got it! so if i use file or systemd it would be in /var/log/%backend%?
[21:09] <nacc> new0: i don't know, i'd read the docs
[21:09] <new0> nacc no
[21:09] <oerheks> very good! you see log.nmbd -log.smbd - log.[IP_ADDRESS] .. all explained in the wiki
[21:11] <StoneCypher> is this an appropriate place to ask questions about ubuntu and the nvidia drivers?
[21:11] <nacc> StoneCypher: SURE
[21:11] <nacc> sure, rather (sorry)
[21:11] <new0> oerheks, yes yes yes smbd is about the the tools and nmbd is about the file transfers details but where is the wiki?
[21:12] <StoneCypher> so i might just be being an idiot noob.  i set up a brand new 17.10 x64 box with a geforce 1080 8g.  it likes the nvidia-384 and nvidia-390 drivers just fine.
[21:12] <oerheks> heh, irc is so much fun: one can read back, i already posted that
[21:12] <StoneCypher> my problem is that cuda seems to want to enforce nvidia-387, and nvidia-387 renders the machine unable to boot.  it gets halfway through the text mode sequence then starts screen flashing and will no longer respond, even after pulling to tty.
[21:13] <StoneCypher> and here i kind of ... don't really know what to do.
[21:13] <StoneCypher> i have very little interest in the user experience of this box.  i'm likely to use it almost entirely over the network from other computers.  it is explicitly for cuda and machine learning nonsense
[21:13] <nacc> StoneCypher: this is using a PPA?
[21:13] <StoneCypher> so that's part of what's frustrating
[21:14] <new0> oerheks, ho hey, whatsup man? u remember about the problem that i have with user and pass not prompting for me? got it solve via NET USE in Windows 7. turn out i needed to NET USE \\IP\shre /delete etc.. and finally the prompting got back and this time after wrong user/pass it's still keep prompting me until i did it right :) thank you so much D
[21:14] <StoneCypher> the nvidia instructions have you download some runfiles then get stuff out of apt
[21:14] <StoneCypher> so ... *some* of it is from a ppa
[21:14] <StoneCypher> and this linux box is less than 24 hours old.  i'm happy to torch it and start over if that's the right thing to do
[21:14] <StoneCypher> i hope it isn't
[21:15] <new0> oerheks, mmm btw what is the wiki of samba?
[21:15] <new0> !samba
[21:15] <new0> oerheks, i am not sure if that's is the one ^^
[21:56] <coolball> hi
[21:56] <coolball> do we have an eta for 18?
[21:57] <oerheks> sure, 26th
[21:58] <coolball> also is 18 expected to be a big step/bug free/both?
[21:58] <nacc> coolball: nothnig is bug free.
[21:58] <nacc> *nothing
[21:58] <tgm4883> coolball: no software is bug free
[22:01] <oerheks> LTS upgrade will happen with the 18.04.1 point release, so that the obvious bugs are out.
[22:02] <oerheks> =stable i guess
[22:09] <system76> Is the channel logger open for public use?
[22:09] <oerheks> !logs
[22:22] <RoadRunner> howdy
[22:24] <RoadRunner> is anybody out there?
[22:24] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: we're here...what can we help you with?
[22:25] <RoadRunner> got a xubuntu issue, but xub channel is silent now, OK to ask here?
[22:26] <xamithan> If it isn't specific to your DE probably
[22:26] <SlidingHorn> sure, try to include as much detail (on one line) as possible - (if it's 18.04, however, head to #ubuntu+1)
[22:26] <RoadRunner> Xubuntu 16.04 comp stoped booting. Description: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XNCdS5xxK2/
[22:27] <xamithan> Can you chroot it with a rescue disc ?
[22:29] <RoadRunner> xamithan: not familiar with chroot; what would it do for me?
[22:30] <xamithan> It would allow you to regenerate the bootloader menu on the filesystem
[22:30] <Seveas> RoadRunner: /dev/sda5 might be your swap partition
[22:31] <Seveas> RoadRunner: if you boot a rescue disk, open a shell and mount /dev/sda1 /mnt; chroot /mnt; then you have a shell in your xubuntu system you can use to clean things up
[22:34] <RoadRunner> Seveas: I checked with GParted: my /dev/sda5 is a lvm2 pv (main linux) partition
[22:34] <Seveas> RoadRunner: ah, that may make the mount/chroot dance slightly trickier
[22:34] <xamithan> chrooting lvm takes a bit more steps but the rescue mode should do it for ya
[22:35] <Seveas> xamithan: it does? Neat!
[22:35] <xamithan> I don't know about the xubuntu disc but the regular 16.04 does
[22:35] <Seveas> What does it do? Just activate the vg or also mount the lvs?
[22:37] <xamithan> Everything,  gives you a chroot.  Assuming it doesn't mess up detecting the partitions
[22:37] <Seveas> Very nice
[22:37] <Seveas> It's been a while since I messed up a system to the point of needing it, good to see things imroved in the mean time :D
[22:38] <xamithan> Oh I was upset that I had to do that just to change the password
[22:38] <Seveas> encrypted pv password?
[22:38] <RoadRunner> I have used a Partition Magic rescue disc and was able to mount the problem partition with Mount-gtk-1.0.4 at "/media/cdrom1"
[22:39] <Seveas> RoadRunner: can you 'sudo chroot /media/cdrom1'?
[22:39] <RoadRunner> unfortunately, I am  now at a diff location than the problem comp...
[22:40] <Seveas> that makes helping rather tricky :)
[22:40] <RoadRunner> yes... I feel like I am beeting my head against a wall going back and forth...
[22:41] <xamithan> Just rescue disc it and do a grub rebuild
[22:41] <xamithan> If it doesn't work then it is something more serious
[22:41] <Seveas> xamithan: if the problem was a full disk, it may be something else
[22:41] <Seveas> e.g. half-installed kernel, or not booting because logs can't be written
[22:42] <Seveas> In that case, I'd rather chroot and muck about with df and du to find things to rm
[22:42] <RoadRunner> the strange thing is that diff apps show usage differently: HardInfo gave proper usage data but GParted did not
[22:42] <Seveas> RoadRunner: I only trust df and du :)
[22:43] <xamithan> those are quite wrong if you got a remote mount in there ;P
[22:43] <Seveas> xamithan: that'll be quite unlikely when chrooting into a filesystem to rescue it :D
[22:43] <RoadRunner> can't issue any terminal commands cause can't finish a linux boot...
[22:43] <Seveas> RoadRunner: that's why we suggest chrooting from the rescue disk
[22:43] <RoadRunner> unless you mean after a rescue disk boot
[22:44] <RoadRunner> :) I should type faster :)
[22:46] <RoadRunner> so, to make sure I understand; the first thing to try is to chroot the partition wherever I manage to mount it, right?
[22:46] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[22:47] <tomreyn> is what you want (whether or not it was an update failure)
[22:48] <Seveas> RoadRunner: correct. Though that may simpy be a boot partition and you can't chroot into that. It may be easiest to use an Ubuntu Live CD's recovery mode instead of the partition magic one, as it does all the necessary bits to let you rescue your system.
[22:49] <tomreyn> Ubuntu Live CD's have a "recovery mode"?
[22:54] <RoadRunner> OK, I'll start with a Xubuntu (in my case) Live CD first.  Do you guys feel that it was a "bad" update that created the original space usage problem or will I likely need to do something else about that?
[22:54] <Seveas> RoadRunner: no idea. you'll have to find out what's taking up disks
[22:55] <Seveas> fora ll we know, you could have been downloading all seasons of doctor who, and the space problem is in your $HOME :)
[22:56] <RoadRunner> Seveas: nothing like that :) I am pretty sure its something system related; where would you suggest I look for junk?
[22:56] <Seveas> /var/log and /var/cache are my ususal first guesses
[22:58] <RoadRunner> btw:  I have BleachBit installed on that box and run it regularly so garbage shouldn't have accumulated...
[22:58] <tomreyn> /boot might have rfun full, too?
[22:59] <tomreyn> IIRC bleachbit operates on $HOME only
[22:59] <StoneCypher> i'm still pretty stuck on this nvidia / cuda thing, if anyone has experience there
[22:59] <tomreyn> (which is good, and somewhat unique, but wont help you with othe rpartitions running full iff those are separate)
[23:00] <ntd> when will master-next, 4.15.0>13 hit the repos?
[23:00] <tomreyn> ntd: where "master-next" refers to the mainline linux kernel?
[23:01] <ntd> the 4.15s available for xenia
[23:01] <ntd> l
[23:01] <RoadRunner> once I get this resolved I'd like to install baobab to keep space usage easier to visualize but can't figure out how to install it?
[23:02] <tomreyn> ntd: not in ubuntu, no
[23:02] <xamithan> apt install baobab ?
[23:02] <ntd> the already made 4.15.0-13 avail to xenial through -edge, too bad it is useless for docked thinkpad users
[23:04] <tomreyn> ntd: oops you're right, hwe-edge provides 4.15 for xenial, sorry.
[23:07] <tomreyn> ntd: since bionic got -15, i guess it's just a matter of days / a week until it ends up in 16.04's hwe-edge
[23:08] <tomreyn> ntd: take a look at xenials hwe-edge changelog to get an idea of how often updates takes place: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-meta-hwe-edge/linux-meta-hwe-edge_<IP_ADDRESS>.39/changelog
[23:09] <ntd> -15 is in the repo, just not tagged as default
[23:09] <ntd> for -edge
[23:09] <RoadRunner> xamithan: I thought to just get it from the ubuntu software center or Synaptic package manager but didn't find baobab in the repositories?
[23:09] <tomreyn> it'll be in an apt repo which also provides bionic
[23:11] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: synaptic should show it.
[23:12] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: I checked and didn't find it...
[23:13] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: which ubuntu versin was this again?
[23:13] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: Xubuntu 16.04
[23:13] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=baobab
[23:13] <tomreyn> !info baobab xenial
[23:14] <oerheks> .. on a live-cd ?
[23:14] <tomreyn> should be there/available, unless your local package database was not in a good state
[23:15] <tomreyn> i think we're talking about a proper installation, oerheks, but maybe i just got you wrong?
[23:16] <oerheks> 16 minutes ago: <RoadRunner> OK, I'll start with a Xubuntu (in my case) Live CD first.
[23:16] <tomreyn> (and IMO you should even be able to install baobab from a live cd)
[23:16] <oerheks> yes, after loading lists, sudo apt update
[23:17] <tomreyn> 15 minutes ago: <RoadRunner> once I get this resolved I'd like to install baobab to keep space usage easier to visualize but can't figure out how to install it?
[23:17] <tomreyn> seemed to refer to proper installation
[23:17] <DanielPBak> What's the best way to do print-debugging? Since the terminal is being used by the game when it's running.
[23:18] <DanielPBak> sorry, wrong channel.
[23:26] <Seveas> DanielPBak: syslog or print to a file in /tmp :)
[23:35] <rdh> hello, anyone know how to get web-ext installed?
[23:36] <rdh> Ive followed instructions on NodeJS to install the lastest version, has npm, but it fails to install because of permissions? even as root
[23:39] <rdh> what, nevermind... it is installed i guess
[23:45] <RoadRunner> another q: If change a video card from Nvidia to AMD on an existing Xubuntu 16.04 install, is xub going to automatically detect the change on booting and install the apropriate driver or does OS (and everything else) need to be reinstalled?
[23:47] <xamithan> You uninstall the nvidia drivers,  reboot and install the AMD drivers
[23:47] <Emcy> 18 04 when
[23:48] <tomreyn> in fact you probably dont need to install amd drivers manually then.
[23:48] <tomreyn> (open source drivers will already be available)
[23:52] <RoadRunner> I don't believe I installed anything special for Nvidia, I think it was picked automatically and if I remember correctly then I guess I shouldn't have to manually uninstall Nvidia driver either?
[23:53] <rdh> RoadRunner, should be fine
[23:53] <xamithan> Not if it was novedau or whatever the open one is called


[05:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Running through some examples from http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/www/home/agc/lit/javascript/xss.html I don't get the JS executed.
[05:09] <StevenK> Whoa. The iframe works
[05:09] <StevenK> That is to say, a comment of '<IFRAME SRC="javascript:alert('XSS');"></IFRAME>'
[05:11] <wgrant> There's a good reason I asked you to test it :)
[05:11] <wgrant> It may be a bug in your code that I missed, but it's also reasonably likely that there's a buggy librarian involved.
[05:11] <wgrant> I do not trust the library authors :)
[05:12] <StevenK> The <iframe> JS popup has been the only one that has fired
[05:12] <wgrant> Have you tracked down where the leak is?
[05:13] <StevenK> Nope
[05:16] <StevenK> Something about bubbling
[10:32] <cjwatson> wgrant: Er, in as much as I do any of my DB patches.  I'm not sure I understand the question
[11:01] <wgrant> cjwatson: It looks like the schema from 12 months ago, before it was adjusted so performance wasn't terrible.
[11:02] <wgrant> cjwatson: Is there value in splitting LiveFilesystem and LiveFilesystemBuild?
[11:04] <cjwatson> I think I just thought that was how it was done based on recipes and translations.  But don't we need separate records for The Thing and A Build Of The Thing?
[11:04] <wgrant> TTBs don't have two halves
[11:04] <wgrant> Recipes are a bit different
[11:05] <wgrant> A SourcePackageRecipe may have many SourcePackageRecipeBuilds over years
[11:05] <cjwatson> Right, and that's true here too, surely
[11:05] <cjwatson> I don't want to have to put the livefs configuration in place (which is basically what LiveFilesystem is) for every daily build
[11:05] <wgrant> Er yeah, I was apparently not particularly paying attention when I read that paste.
[11:05] <wgrant> Right, other way around, that makes more sense.
[11:06] <cjwatson> It's a bit of an unpleasant grab-bag, and possibly it makes more sense to try to have more of those passed per-build from cdimage
[11:06] <wgrant> However, you still need to make it look more like binarypackagebuild/sourcepackagerecipebuild/translationtemplatesbuild do today
[11:07] <wgrant> The BuildFarmJob table is now an optimisation, mirroring columns from the concrete job table.
[11:07] <wgrant> So LiveFilesystemBuild has date_started, status, etc.
[11:07] <cjwatson> ok, I may have failed to follow that through.  is there a simple-ish way to get a consolidated dump of the current db structure rather than having to read all the patches in sequence?
[11:07] <wgrant> Those properties are defined on BuildFarmJobMixin in the code
[11:07] <wgrant> \d binarypackagebuild
[11:07] <wgrant> Or you can use pg_dump to get the CREATE TABLE, I guess
[11:08] <wgrant> Also, LiveFilesystem probably wants an archive column there somewhere.
[11:08] <wgrant> And I'd really like to not overload "project", though it's not too bad here I suppose.
[11:08] <wgrant> What is that proposed boolean?
[11:09] <wgrant> Is it perhaps really a pocket instead?
[11:11] <cjwatson> maybe we could spell it image_project for this purpose
[11:11] <wgrant> That would probably be better, yeah
[11:12] <wgrant> I'm wondering if there's some better name than LiveFilesystem
[11:12] <wgrant> Since it sounds like the result of the build
[11:12] <wgrant> That's what had me first
[11:12] <wgrant> But I guess it's less confusing when you're actually paying attention :)
[11:12] <cjwatson> proposed> hm, maybe.  the image doesn't go *into* the pocket, though, it's more like a PPA's archive dependencies
[11:12] <cjwatson> (though maybe the image *should* go into the pocket)
[11:13] <wgrant> Right, but proposed = true doesn't put it anywhere different either.
[11:13] <cjwatson> LiveFilesystem - yeah, was the best name I could think of but I'm not totally happy with it, better suggestions appreciated
[11:13] <wgrant> Setting PPA dependencies to -backports doesn't mean the binaries don't end up in release :)
[11:14] <wgrant> What're they called in the current infrastructure?
[11:14] <cjwatson> I think proposed probably ought not to be in the db and ought rather to be a flag passed per-build
[11:14] <wgrant> Right, that probably makes sense.
[11:14] <cjwatson> since that corresponds well to how it works in the current infra
[11:14] <cjwatson> we basically call them live filesystems :-)
[11:14] <wgrant> I guess archive could equally be on the build, potentially.
[11:14] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ e.g.
[11:15] <cjwatson> the things that need to be in the db are probably those things that distinguish different livefs types we want to continue building alongside each other, and gc etc.
[11:16] <cjwatson> archive
[11:16] <cjwatson> ?
[11:16] <wgrant> Hm?
[11:16] <cjwatson> 11:14 <wgrant> I guess archive could equally be on the build, potentially.
[11:17] <wgrant> It would seem unwise to hardcode the Ubuntu primary archive; experience have shown that such a decision is often to be regretted.
[11:17] <cjwatson> oh, right, um, that would require teaching lp-buildd about that too
[11:18] <cjwatson> I take your point; a problem here is that live-build generates the sources.list itself
[11:18] <wgrant> Oh, it doesn't use the normal lp-buildd sources.list infrastructure?
[11:18] <wgrant> Forgot that detial.
[11:18] <cjwatson> we don't really get to insert a full one, it's easier to tell it how to tweak it
[11:19] <wgrant> Anyway, best to store an archive now anyway, makes it easier to treat like the rest of the archive-related builds
[11:19] <wgrant> Even if the slave implementation means it doesn't completely work right now
[11:19] <cjwatson> ok
[11:23] <wgrant> So, LiveFSBuild probably wants (id, livefs, archive, distroarchseries, pocket, processor, virtualized, date_created, date_started, date_finished, date_first_dispatched, builder, status, log, failure_count, build_farm_job), plus maybe some denormed attributes for querying later, but those are easy to add.
[11:23] <wgrant> Oh, and some way to actually store the results :)
[11:25] <cjwatson> er, yeah, *cough*
[11:26] <wgrant> Since there are multiple files, I guess just a trivial (livefsbuild, lfa) link table?
[11:28] <cjwatson> maybe a notion of type as well
[11:28] <wgrant> Unless you want to be more intelligent and stick each type in a separate LFA column on LFB itself
[11:28] <wgrant> If there's one of each
[11:28] <cjwatson> I'd like to be able to say "give me the latest manifest for livefs <x>"
[11:28] <wgrant> But it's been a long time since I looked at cdimage code :)
[11:29] <wgrant> Right
[11:29] <cjwatson> but also "download all the latest files for livefs <x>"
[11:29] <cjwatson> (preferably in a way that doesn't race if it crosses another build)
[11:29] <wgrant> But you could then just ask for the latest build for livefs X, then look at its list of files
[11:29] <cjwatson> right
[11:30] <wgrant> Since lp-buildd doesn't know what files it returns today, and it doesn't seem to provide much benefit for LP to know about them, AFAICT
[11:30] <wgrant> I may well be wrong.
[11:30] <cjwatson> I also want to be able to make livefs-build-logs keep working, as a permanent archive of all livefs build logs ever, so that'd be "get latest log for all livefses"
[11:30] <cjwatson> yeah, possibly it could reasonably just be keyed by filename
[11:30] <wgrant> Right, though that's easier, since the log is already privileged.


[01:28] <Neo31> hi hassoon
[01:28] <Neo31> ssup?
[08:14] <elacheche> Morning utn
[23:23] <hassoon> 'sup