[16:53] <bcurtiswx> i'm totally tempted to throw a joke into the discussion on #ubuntu-desktop right now
[16:53] <bcurtiswx> "My wrist has this nasty twitch, and somehow the launcher keeps appearing"
[16:54] <bcurtiswx> "Too much positive reinforecement from the launcher appearing when i move my mouse to the upper corner"
[21:09] <ncweber> Looks like Commodore is bringing back the Commodore 64, only enhanced to perform like a modern machine.  It'll still have Workbench and be compatible with Commodore and Amiga OSes.
[21:37] <ncweber> Twitch, huh. Hmmmmm.....


[01:32] <mdpatrick> A week ago someone gave me some instructions on how to "reset" my desktop -- this solved my problem. Just got around to following up... whoever gave me that info... thankyou!!!!!!
[01:32] <mdpatrick> (Adding it now just incase said user is a regular, which I bet they are... can't remember nickname :))
[02:15] <Guest1817> salve
[02:18] <dougl> my 13.10 install hangs on my plymouth splash screen - any chance it will fix itself... is it checking the disk or something - how can I tell what is messed up?
[05:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone around? having issues getting some packages to install and no resonable errors are showing up
[05:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> the most telling at this time looks to be 'no apport report written because maxreports is reached already'
[07:51] <amichair> ever since I upgraded KDE to 4.12.0, the panel freezes several times a day (rest of desktop, alt-tab etc. are ok), then after a few minutes it unfreezes and goes back to normal. Is this a known issue?
[08:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:24] <James0r> anyone use WinFF? Having some issues with it acting as inactive when it is the active window. Also, it fails to convert when you're finally ready. Seeing that it has some issues with qt-curve reported but i'm using oxygen-gtk
[12:18] <raj01104> hi
[12:19] <lordievader> Hey raj01104
[12:21] <raj01104> i want to prepare for gsoc 2014 ...can u tell me how to start??
[12:23] <lordievader> raj01104: I'd say that is more a topic for #kubuntu-devel
[12:23] <raj01104> #hekarrank
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:47] <nowhereusa> hello. I'm super newb just getting into anything linux based for the first time. I installed Kubuntu 13.01 two days ago, haven't connected to the internet yet. Plz help
[14:47] <nowhereusa> NM is on, says no connections. Not cord, not router,
[14:58] <dheeraj> nowhereusa: are you connected to internet..??
[14:58] <nowhereusa> yes. i am currently working on a windows machine on the same router
[14:58] <nowhereusa> i'm not that newb
[14:58] <nowhereusa> NM says no connections, no devices
[14:59] <dheeraj> [20:28] <nowhereusa> i'm not that newb  what does it mean??
[14:59] <nowhereusa> i'm not that new
[14:59] <nowhereusa> new to linux, not a machine in general
[14:59] <dheeraj> Okk :)
[15:00] <TJ-> nowhereusa: First, we need to confirm that NetworkManager is showing a wired connection
[15:00] <dheeraj> hmm, Thats true..
[15:00] <dheeraj> Open terminal and try ifconfig
[15:01] <nowhereusa> as i cannot cut and paste i'm going to keep it short. let me know if you want expanded info
[15:01] <dheeraj> Are you using Windows over any hypervisor?
[15:01] <nowhereusa> they are different machines
[15:02] <TJ-> nowhereusa: Does Network Managers applet in the task-bar show a Wired Connection?
[15:02] <nowhereusa> loca; loopback
[15:02] <nowhereusa> inet <IP_ADDRESS> mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:02] <dheeraj> nowhereusa: is it your terminal outputs
[15:02] <dheeraj> ?
[15:03] <nowhereusa> correct, to ifconfig
[15:03] <dheeraj> trry ifconfig eth0
[15:03] <nowhereusa> device not found
[15:04] <dheeraj> it means your ethernet port do have some problem in that machine..
[15:04] <nowhereusa> tj: i don't have said said applet in task-bar, which I found odd given everything i've read
[15:05] <TJ-> nowhereusa: OK, run this command and then show me, for each line returned, just the last part of the lines where it looks like [1234:abcd]  "lspci -nn | egrep -i 'net|wire' "
[15:05] <nowhereusa> that's not the case. I have a separate windows harddrive, connection works fine
[15:05] <TJ-> nowhereusa: e.g. if you see "Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4229] (rev 61)" I only need the "[8086:4229]"
[15:07] <nowhereusa> TJ: Got a list of commands
[15:07] <nowhereusa> usage: lspci
[15:07] <TJ-> nowhereusa: You must have mis-typed
[15:07] <nowhereusa> sorry 1 sec
[15:08] <TJ-> nowhereusa: "    lspci -nn | egrep -i 'net|wire'    "
[15:08] <TJ-> nowhereusa:  the "|" is the vertical bar symbol
[15:11] <nowhereusa> ok i'm no this stupid
[15:11] <nowhereusa> yes i used vertical bar
[15:13] <nowhereusa> net wire is with quotes yes?
[15:13] <TJ-> nowhereusa: Yes, single quotes
[15:15] <nowhereusa> friend, I'm telling you i'm typing this correctly
[15:15] <nowhereusa> i'm not this dense
[15:15] <JaZZyCooL> hey guys I am having resolution problem with my Live kubuntu or netrunner. First of all when I booted it gave me options which were so scratched that I could only see a broken white line that's all after that it booted me to the main screen with a resolution of 1024 x 768 on a screen with 1366 x 768 this only happened to this two OS
[15:16] <JaZZyCooL> I tried changing but no luck
[15:16] <JaZZyCooL> it worked fine and perfect with Linux mint just kubuntu
[15:16] <JaZZyCooL> netrunner
[15:17] <nowhereusa> tj:command list says use soecufued ud database instead of net|wire
[15:17] <nowhereusa> *specified
[15:18] <nowhereusa> specified ID database
[15:18] <BluesKaj> nowhereusa, copy and paste is your friend
[15:18] <nowhereusa> BluesKaj: different machines, connection problem
[15:19] <BluesKaj> ok , nowhereusa , sorry to hear that
[15:20] <JaZZyCooL> hey guys anyone
[15:21] <nowhereusa> TJ: I saw you dropped and came back. Not sure if you saw: keep getting usage list, -i command says "use specified ID database instead of net|wire"
[15:22] <TJ-> nowhereusa: If you're seeing that error then the "|" symbol isn't being typed or accepted correctly, since it joins two separate commands, but that error shows that 'net|wire' are being passed to the first command "lspci"
[15:23] <nowhereusa> shift \
[15:23] <nowhereusa> |
[15:29] <nowhereusa> TJ: there are two | correct? -nn| and .. 'net|wire'
[15:32] <nowhereusa> TJ: lspci -nn | egrep -i 'net|wire'
[15:33] <nowhereusa> I typed it. I'm sure I got it right
[15:33] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[16:35] <Moholmarn> Anyone able to help me with the god-dang bootloader? I've tried 4 different and two work but only to boot windows. Grub2 no such partition/unkown filesystem | grub error 18 | lilo Fatal: cannot open: /etc/lilo.conf | NTLDR boots only windows
[16:35] <Moholmarn> Lilo nad NTLDR is the ones actually booting anything
[16:36] <Moholmarn> but lilo won't let me generate a conf
[16:36] <ikonia> kubuntu doesn't install lilo by default
[16:36] <Moholmarn> i know
[16:36] <ikonia> why are you not using the standard install
[16:36] <Moholmarn> because the standard throws me a no such partition
[16:37] <ikonia> sorry thats just not real
[16:37] <ikonia> grub gives an error - so you swap to lilo outside of the installer
[16:37] <ikonia> that makes no sense
[16:37] <Moholmarn> grub refuses to find my linux partition so i switched to lilo because at least it's booting something
[16:38] <ikonia> I'd suggest fixing the grub issue as that is the standard bootloader going forward.
[16:38] <Moholmarn> but nothing works
[16:38] <Moholmarn> i've tried reinstalling, boot-repair
[16:38] <ikonia> Moholmarn: well, we can look at that, as you appear to not really understand how to use lilo
[16:38] <Moholmarn> i can't even config it
[16:38] <ikonia> so you should concentrate on fixing the problem with the standard boot loader, which for kubuntu is grub
[16:38] <Moholmarn> i've used lilo before, but that time nothing borked
[16:39] <ikonia> Moholmarn: using it, does not mean you have an idea how to use it, which looking at your comments you don't
[16:39] <ikonia> so I'd suggest progressing the grub problem
[16:39] <Moholmarn> then progesss ahead because i'm stuck
[16:40] <Moholmarn> that's why i switched
[16:40] <ikonia> firstly - do a clean kubuntu install from a CD (I'm guessing as you can't boot it - you've not done anything with it, so it's a new install anyway)
[16:40] <ikonia> that way we can get to a known good "broken" state with grub
[16:41] <Moholmarn> my USB stick is slow as hell just so you know, so it might take a while
[16:41] <ikonia> so you're installing from usb
[16:41] <Moholmarn> yes
[16:41] <ikonia> or installing to a usb
[16:41] <Moholmarn> from
[16:41] <ikonia> ok - so that's probably the reason
[16:41] <Moholmarn> onto laptop with single HDD
[16:42] <ikonia> on some PC's the usb device becomes the primary disk (sda) and grub till try to be installed onto that
[16:42] <Moholmarn> with WINXP
[16:42] <Moholmarn> i've checked it already, it registeres as SDB1
[16:43] <Moholmarn> i can give you a paste from the boot repair if that helps
[16:43] <ikonia> Moholmarn: ok, so sda in that case should be your internal disk, and grub should be installed to "sda"
[16:43] <ikonia> boot repair - is NOT the installer
[16:43] <ikonia> so that does not mean it's how the installer see's oit
[16:43] <ikonia> it
[16:44] <Moholmarn> i know, but the boot repair let's me check the conf for grub (which is pointing to the right places but refuses to boot anyway)
[16:44] <ikonia> Moholmarn: please re-read what I said
[16:44] <ikonia> Moholmarn: bootrepair does not represent what the installer sees/does
[16:44] <Moholmarn> i know
[16:45] <ikonia> right - so please don't quote boot repair as a good source of info
[16:45] <Moholmarn> Can you be a little bit more condescending? i'm not a retard
[16:45] <ikonia> I'll leave you to it - bye
[16:45] <BluesKaj_> boot repair does work fixing grub  ...with lilo , not sure
[16:46] <Moholmarn> it doesn't fix grub
[16:46] <Moholmarn> If it did i wouldn't be here
[16:49] <BluesKaj_> Moholmarn, well, it has for me , several times ...what's your partition table , grub should install to the mbr and include windows , unless you installed windows after installing linux
[16:50] <Moholmarn> I threw the fucking laptop out the window, i've been trying for THREE days getting the piece of shit OS to work, now i canät even fix it
[16:51] <ikonia> Moholmarn: stop with the language
[16:51] <ikonia> Moholmarn: there is no need for it and it's not welcome
[16:51] <Moholmarn> KICK ME THEN YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
[16:55] <BluesKaj_> too bad , his problem could have been solved , I think ...frustration gets the best of some ppl
[16:56] <ikonia> BluesKaj_: could have been solved easy
[16:56] <ikonia> however he didn't want to admit he didn't know what he was doing and thus had a bad attitude
[16:59] <BluesKaj_> well, being wrong and asking for help sort go hand in hand , but pointing it out probly put him over the edge
[17:00] <qdata> when the source of the problem is pebkac not a whole lot you can do to fix it
[17:00] <ikonia> no-one actually pointed it out to him, he just kept giving useless information, and then saying "I know" when you pointed out it was useless and not what was asked for
[17:01] <ikonia> seems odd to know it's useless but keep giving it over and over anyway
[17:42] <rah_> high
[17:43] <BluesKaj> low
[17:43] <BluesKaj> er  'lo
[17:48] <rah_> lol
[18:22] <Linna_> Hi Everyone, Do you know how can I change the size of the  minimized windows on the tray panel?
[18:28] <Linna_> Hi Everyone, Do you know how can I change the size of the  minimized windows on the tray panel?
[18:39] <markit> hi, I've heard that kubuntu 14.04 will have firefox as default browser, but I've the feeling is not the one customized ("sanitized") for KDE as the one provided by blue-shell team. Am I wrong?
[20:07] <rcw2> will saucy run on pentium 4 with 0.5 gigs of ram
[20:10] <rcw2> how can i find out if saucy has support for my scanner/printer
[20:18] <mparillo> markit: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-December/007595.html
[20:19] <mparillo> markit: Key consideration: "The primary reason to use Firefox is to leverage Ubuntu security support. Using a PPA is counter to that goal. "


[17:06] <wrst> Omnifrog:  its been a while thought someone needed to break the silence :)
[17:10] <`pi> haha
[17:11] <wrst> gotta do what we can
[17:42] <Omnifrog> heh
[17:42] <Omnifrog> today is kids first day back to school
[17:52] <wrst> my wife (kindergarten teacher) started on Tuesday
[17:53] <average_guy> I going for open-house tomorrow
[17:53] <wrst> howdy average_guy!
[17:53] <average_guy> hi wrst
[17:53] <average_guy> life good?
[17:53] <wrst> how have things been going?
[17:53] <wrst> yep good for me
[17:54] <average_guy> same here man, worried about my brat in school though
[17:54] <average_guy> 1st grade
[17:54] <wrst> what grade ?
[17:54] <wrst> ahh
[17:54] <wrst> yep
[17:55] <wrst> I have a few years before school for ours
[17:57] <average_guy> Mine is a terror at school
[17:58] <wrst> aren't they all? :)
[17:58] <average_guy> suspended from boys n girls club this week, which I didn't even know was possible
[18:01] <wrst> :(
[18:12] <Omnifrog> hi average_guy
[18:15] <average_guy> hello Omnifrog, how goes things your way?
[18:16] <Omnifrog> pretty good here too :D
[18:16] <Omnifrog> trying to decide what to play this evening
[18:18] <wrst> any luck yet?
[18:19] <Omnifrog> eh, my playlist is a mess
[18:19] <Omnifrog> it's all over the place
[18:24] <average_guy> what kinda croud are you playing to?
[18:26] <Omnifrog> extremely eclectic
[18:26] <Omnifrog> heh
[18:27] <Omnifrog> I can get away with just about anything
[18:27] <average_guy> nice, sounds easy then
[18:28] <Omnifrog> it should be
[18:28] <wrst> "should"
[18:28] <wrst> :)
[18:28] <average_guy> yeah, sounds good
[18:29] <Omnifrog> between trying not to play the same things show after show and also making it somewhat fun to listen to I get bogged down sometimes
[18:31] <average_guy> I listen to a broad range of music myself.  Just depends on the mood. Could be Cannibal Corpse, could be Simon and Garfunkle
[18:31] <Omnifrog> yeah. same here
[18:33] <Omnifrog> there are some DJ's on the station who are fine with playing several ACDC hits on every bloody show they do
[18:34] <wrst> back in black  is great but... you could eventually get too much
[18:35] <Omnifrog> yeah
[18:35] <Omnifrog> and I have to actually listen to what I'm playing , lol
[18:38] <average_guy> this is why I can't take the radio very long, classic rock stations are the worst to me.    Maybe. :D
[18:53] <Omnifrog> the studio version was actually not bad. I put it my stand-by playlist for now
[18:54] <Omnifrog> but that live performance was awful
[18:54] <wrst> and granted the sound and what not is generally not wonderful that thos type of things but vocal pitch... wow
[18:57] <Omnifrog> I seem to be stuck in the 80's
[18:57] <wrst> Omnifrog: I didn't exactly see this coming for a beatles cover either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptd0D4Y18-U
[18:58] <Omnifrog> haha
[18:58] <wrst> that's weird also
[18:59] <wrst> I actually know a guy that went to high school with gwen stefani out in the LA area
[19:04] <Omnifrog> neat-o
[19:04] <Omnifrog> I like her
[19:04] <wrst> may have been actually jr high regardless said she had not grown into her current look
[19:05] <wrst> he advised a guy not to go out with her
[23:13] <siducer> wrst u here
[23:15] <siducer> cyberanger u here
[23:30] <wrst> I was here!
[23:37] <wrst> Unit193: we need a special alarm that will dial my phone for him :) he did stay 7 minutes
[23:38] <wrst> wow ipv6
[23:44] <DJOmnifrog> people are using that now??!?!?
[23:44] <DJOmnifrog> lol
[23:44] <wrst> evidently
[23:45] <wrst> dynamic dns services will certainly get a boost when that gets adapted no one will ever attempt to remember an ip address again
[23:45] <wrst> *adopted


[02:08] <mup> Bug #1585841 opened: It would be great if MAAS can support ZFS on the 'Storage' configuration part <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585841>
[06:29] <mup> Bug #1585878 opened: It does not remove the DHCP and DNS configurations on MAAS after juju removes LXD container(machine). <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585878>
[06:32] <jojden> why newly created vm using pxe boot is not listing in the maas
[06:53] <mup> Bug #1585878 opened: It does not remove the DHCP and DNS configurations on MAAS after juju removes LXD container(machine). <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585878>
[06:54] <jojden> hi roaksoax
[07:17] <mup> Bug #1585878 changed: Removing a container does not remove the underlying MAAS device representing the container unless the host is also removed. <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585878>
[07:18] <jojden> roaksoax http://askubuntu.com/questions/777665/why-newly-created-vm-using-pxe-boot-is-not-listing-in-the-maas
[08:00] <huats> Nobody  to help me a bit with that "out-of-sync" image thing that I am facing ?
[11:36] <mup> Bug #1586000 opened: Make terminology clearer through tooltips <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586000>
[12:06] <mup> Bug #1586006 opened: Rearrange DHCP information on VLAN details page <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586006>
[13:39] <kiko> huats, sure, what's up?
[13:40] <kiko> terje, the thing is that the whole cluster interfaces API changed
[13:40] <kiko> terje, check out the new API under /docs2.0
[13:40] <kiko> mahmoh, never seen that before, did you figure it out?
[13:45] <roaksoax> jojden: 2016-05-26 06:24:26,012 - url_helper.py[WARNING]: Calling 'http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/instance-id' failed [0/120s]: bad status code [404] -> is <IP_ADDRESS> the IP of your region controller ?
[14:06] <huats> Hi kiko .
[14:06] <huats> I have added a custom image
[14:06] <huats> and sice I am facing an image "out-of-sync"
[14:06] <huats> and I don't seen how to fix that
[14:06] <huats> (and how course the custom image is not usable...)
[14:07] <kiko> huats, any crashes showing up in /var/log/maas* or syslog?
[14:07] <kiko> huats, if you remove the image does it work again?
[14:07] <huats> actually I can use the "old" image
[14:08] <huats> it is just the new one that is not "showing up"
[14:08] <kiko> huats, images are uploaded first to the region, and then copied to the cluster filesystem
[14:08] <kiko> huats, so it's likely your image is not syncing down
[14:08] <huats> probably
[14:08] <kiko> but why, the logs may be able to tell us
[14:08] <huats> ok
[14:09] <huats> I am ooking
[14:35] <mahmoh> kiko: no, it was technically terj-e's problem, just bubbling it up for him
[14:53] <huats> kiko: sorry I had to switch to something else
[14:53] <huats> I don't see any error in the logs :(
[15:55] <mup> Bug #1426010 changed: Tests using Selenium are all failing <tech-debt> <tests> <MAAS:Fix Released by allenap> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1426010>
[15:55] <mup> Bug #1459168 changed: Start-up stacktrace: IntegrityError: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "maasserver_config_name_uniq" DETAIL:  Key (name)=(rpc_shared_secret) already exists. <stacktrace> <start-up> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1459168>
[18:03] <shewless> Hello. I have a network that I would like to change the "DNS" IP on (it's currently blank) but I don't see an easy way to edit the subnet from the UI (I can only delete it). Is there a way to do this from the server level?
[18:04] <shewless> sorry. I mean a subnet.. MAAS 2.0
[18:09] <kiko> shewless, the API lets you do this; I believe 2.0 final will give you UI, right roaksoax?
[18:14] <pacavaca> Hi, kiko. Last week me and some other guy were asking here how to create custom ubuntu/centos images, with custom configs and packages installed (custom fs snapshot). You said that someone may write a public answer to that. So, I'm just wondering, maybe it's published somewhere already. Thanks.
[18:15] <kiko> pacavaca, still on my todo, but a short answer for custom ubuntu is lp:curtinator
[18:15] <kiko> that's roadmr's project which helps roll custom ubuntu images
[18:15] <pacavaca> cool, will check it out. thank you
[18:16] <roadmr> pacavaca: with curtinator you can build maas-installable images from stock Ubuntu ISOs, as long as you can express your config in a standard preseed, you should be able to hack curtinator into doing what you need
[18:31] <pacavaca> roadmr: am I right that it downloads ubuntu iso then installs it on some kvm vm then takes an fs snapshot, mixes it with preseed scripts and then packs everythin in a tarball, which is something maas can consume?
[18:32] <kiko> yep
[18:32] <roadmr> pacavaca: somewhat. You need to provide the iso locally (just wget it ;). Also, the preseeds are applied at *install* time
[18:33] <roadmr> pacavaca: so it'll boot the provided ISO in a kvm, pointed to the given preseed, and when the install finishes it'll package the resulting filesystem contents in a tarball for maas
[18:33] <roadmr> pacavaca: the main maas-related thing it does is install cloud-init, but you can hack the preseed to install more packages and maybe write custom files
[18:34] <pacavaca> I see. That sounds like what I need. Thank you
[18:35] <roadmr> cheers!
[18:40] <kiko> you rock roadmr
[18:40] <roadmr> thanks :) I'm glad curtinator is proving helpful
[18:57] <shewless> kiko: thanks. another question:
[18:58] <shewless> I'm trying to make my "fqdn" of my hosts be something specific (say: node-name.foo.com) instead of node-name.maas
[18:58] <shewless> I don't care if .maas is still there.. basically I have a "maas" fiber and a "foo.com" fiber.. and different subnets for both
[18:59] <shewless> right now I have the dns servers and IPs and everything working (the foo.com subnet is statically assinged)
[18:59] <shewless> I'm also using the DNS forwarder option
[18:59] <shewless> all is good except the nodes "hostname -f" still reports node-name.maas instead of node-name.foo.com
[18:59] <roaksoax> shewless: if you are using 1.9, you change the DNS zone / domain in the cluster controller
[19:00] <shewless> roaksoax: 2.0
[19:00] <roaksoax> shewless: if you are using 2.0, you add a new DNS domain, change the domain in the machine itself, and deploy
[19:00] <shewless> roaksoax: I tried that but it seems to map the domain name of the machine to the wrong subnet
[19:00] <shewless> I'm not sure how to change that part
[19:01] <roaksoax> shewless: <hostname>.<domain> will always map against the IP of the PXE interface
[19:02] <roaksoax> shewless: <interface>.<hostname>.<domain> PTR records are available against all of the interfaces
[19:02] <shewless> roaksoax: right I don't want the domain to map to the pxe interface
[19:02] <roaksoax> shewless: you wont be able to change that unfortunately
[19:02] <shewless> I'm not sure what you mean by "interface.hostname.domain" - do you think that would work and how do I do it?
[19:03] <roaksoax> shewless: for example, your node interfaces is this:
[19:03] <roaksoax> eth0 fabric-0 untagged subnet-1 X.X.X.X
[19:04] <roaksoax> eth1 fabric-1 vlan10  subnet-10 Y.y.y.y
[19:04] <roaksoax> shewless: X.X.X.X -> node01.foo.com
[19:04] <roaksoax> shewless: X.X.X.X -> eth0.node01.foo.com
[19:04] <roaksoax> shewless: Y.Y.Y.Y -> eth1.node01.food.com
[19:04] <roaksoax> shewless: Y.Y.Y.Y -> eth1.node01.foo.com
[19:05] <shewless> okay how do I do that? that seems to be what I want
[19:05] <roaksoax> shewless: that's done automatically
[19:05] <shewless> oh wait.. you actually have to have the interface name in the dns?
[19:05] <roaksoax> shewless: yes
[19:05] <shewless> roaksoax: I tried adding a DHCP snippet to the "PXE" subnet... option domain-name 'foo.com" which actually worked from a lease perspective.. but the "lo" interface still has a domain name of "maas"
[19:05] <roaksoax> shewless: go to 'DNS' section
[19:06] <shewless> roaksoax: k
[19:06] <roaksoax> shewless: add a domain 'foo.com'
[19:06] <shewless> did
[19:06] <roaksoax> shewless: go to the machine details page
[19:06] <shewless> (none authoritative)
[19:06] <roaksoax> shewless: click on the hostname, and change node.maas to node.foo.com
[19:06] <shewless> roaksoax: did
[19:06] <shewless> roaksoax: but the dns maps to the PXE interface
[19:07] <roaksoax> shewless: yes, that will never change
[19:07] <roaksoax> shewless: we always map the <hostname>.<domain> to the PXE interface
[19:07] <roaksoax> shewless: so eth0 (PXE) - X.X.X.X - node01.foo.com | eth0.node01.foo.com
[19:07] <shewless> roaksoak: okay. So I need to solve my problem in a different way
[19:08] <shewless> roaksoax: I'm trying to deploy a "production" server on my network with a provisioned IP and a DNS name that is managed by an external DNS server. I think this would be common right?
[19:09] <shewless> roaksoak: so my network guy says "assign static IP y.y.y.y" and I've added a dns record of node.foo.com for you
[19:09] <shewless> roaksoak: right now it's all good (I have maas statically assign IP and update the DNS server) except the fqdn is wrong
[19:10] <roaksoax> shewless: I see your point now. Right, we don't have a way to change that actually
[19:10] <shewless> roaksoak: IE: hostname -f returns "node01.maas".  So I'm so close :)
[19:11] <shewless> if we could make it so "lo" on the nodes doesn't have the domain option set to maas I think it would work with my DHCP snippet
[19:11] <shewless> any chance we could change that?
[19:13] <roaksoax> shewless: i think you could do it via preseeds, as in change the hostname automatically
[19:13] <roaksoax> shewless: like writing a script to change the hostname to what you want
[19:14] <shewless> roaksoax: that could work. I've never done a preseed before. any hints ? :)
[19:15] <roaksoax> shewless: let me get my environment back up and reproduce what you are trying to do
[19:17] <shewless> roaksoax: I think I literally just need to execute this command: echo $(cat /etc/hostname).foo.com > /etc/hostname
[19:18] <shewless> roaksoax: before boot.  If it's after boot I'd also need to run "hostname" to change the rest
[19:20] <roaksoax> shewless: in /etc/maas/preseeds/curtin_userdata try something like thois:http://paste.ubuntu.com/16715744/
[19:25] <shewless> raoksoax: thanks I'll give that a try. I can just edit that file manually?
[19:28] <roaksoax> shewless: yeah
[19:28] <roaksoax> shewless: that's the preseed
[19:35] <roaksoax> shewless: let me konw if that works
[19:35] <roaksoax> shewless: and how are you finding the DHCP snippet feature btw ?
[19:39] <shewless> roaksoax: will let you know. the DHCP snippet worked exactly as expected for the subnet
[19:40] <shewless> roaksoax: for the "node" it just didn't add the snippet at all.. no error.. just didn't add it
[19:43] <shewless> roaksoax: do I have to restart any services to get the preseed to work or just re deploy
[19:43] <roaksoax> shewless: just redeploy IIRC
[19:44] <shewless> roaksoax: trying now.. will keep you posted
[19:51] <shewless> roaksoax: didn't seem to work.. /etc/hostname is not changed
[19:54] <shewless> roaksoax: here is the rsyslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716515
[19:56] <roaksoax> shewless: it doesn't seem like it failed ?
[19:56] <shewless> roaksoax.. you are right... I didn't see anything that appeared to fail
[19:57] <shewless> roaksoax: but at the same time it didn't appear to work
[20:01] <shewless> roaksoax: can I run the userdata thing manually after the fact to see if it worked?
[20:19] <roaksoax> shewless:
[20:19] <roaksoax> root@acerbic-rufus:/home/ubuntu# echo $(cat /etc/hostname).foo.com > /etc/hostname
[20:19] <roaksoax> root@acerbic-rufus:/home/ubuntu# hostname -f
[20:19] <roaksoax> acerbic-rufus.maas
[20:19] <roaksoax> shewless: even doing it manually doesn't work
[20:22] <roaksoax> shewless: do you need the hostname of the machine to reflect the hostname ?
[20:22] <shewless> roaksoax: if you check /etc/hostname you'll see it's changed.. on next boot it would work.. or you can do "sudo hostname `cat /etc/hostname`" if you don't want to wait
[20:23] <shewless> roaksoax: but the point is I can see that the preseed didn't change the /etc/hostname file at all for me
[20:23] <roaksoax> shewless: i think that may be because cloud-init change the hostname after first boot
[20:23] <roaksoax> or at least I think that's what is happening
[20:23] <roaksoax> shewless: so you absolutely need the machine to be deploed with such hostname ?
[20:26] <shewless> roaksoax: I agree I saw a bunch of hostname stuff in cloud.cfg on the box
[20:26] <shewless> roaksoax: I do need it. Right now I'm just manually doing it
[20:26] <roaksoax> shewless: the other thing you could do
[20:27] <roaksoax> shewless: is to write a script that change sit or similar
[20:27] <roaksoax> shewless: after cloud-init writes it
[20:28] <roaksoax> shewless: ohhh I have an idea
[20:28] <roaksoax> shewless: let me test it though
[20:29] <shewless> roaksoax: sounds good
[20:34] <roaksoax> shewless: wont work. I was thinking of giving an IP to second NIC, and assigning a DNS name like nodeXX.foo.com
[20:34] <roaksoax> shewless: so you wouldn;t need external DHCP/DNS
[20:34] <roaksoax> shewless: but that won't set the machine's hostname to <hostname>.foo.com
[20:35] <roaksoax> shewless: i'l talk to the team and see if we can prpovide the ability to selcet which interface would get the actualy hostname you are looking for
[20:35] <roaksoax> shewless: but that wont happen till next week
[20:36] <shewless> roaksoax: thanks for the help.  In the mean time I'll just manually set the hostname. I appreciate your help
[20:36] <roaksoax> sorry i couldn't be of more help though
[22:45] <aslaen> Hello I am not sure I did wrong but I can't get a node to provision.  I have MaaS installed correctly and when I PXE boot a node it pulls IP from MaaS, and starts to bootstrap, but then it stops at "yay system is up!" and doesn't complete the process.
[22:45] <aslaen> any ideas?


[00:13] <gilp456> Hello, Does anyone know if there is an updated guide to setting up MAAS on a clean install of ubuntu 16.04 server? Having trouble getting the DHCP portion working
[09:41] <zherlock> I am installing maas server on ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I have updated and upgraded all. When I try to --configure maas-region-controller (part of apt install maas) I get cannot ALTER TABLE "maasserver_vlan" because it has pending trigger events.
[09:52] <zherlock> I see in postgresql log databsae maasdb does not exist.
[10:03] <zherlock> Hm, it is there when testing with psql and doing \d on maasdb
[11:47] <smola_> hi, anyone also experiencing node deployment getting stuck in 'searching for network data from DataSourceMAAS' after 2.2.2 -> 2.3.0 upgrade?
[13:54] <roaksoax> gilp456: how are you having trouble
[17:13] <mup> Bug #1484698 changed: If a Node is released while the DHCP server is down, its IP address remains reserved. <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484698>
[17:22] <mup> Bug #1484698 opened: If a Node is released while the DHCP server is down, its IP address remains reserved. <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484698>
[17:31] <mup> Bug #1484698 changed: If a Node is released while the DHCP server is down, its IP address remains reserved. <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484698>
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1735822 opened: The commission action for 1 node failed with error: {"current_testing_script_set": ["script set instance with id 233 does not exist."]} <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735822>
[20:01] <mup> Bug #1735822 changed: The commission action for 1 node failed with error: {"current_testing_script_set": ["script set instance with id 233 does not exist."]} <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735822>
[20:04] <mup> Bug #1735822 opened: The commission action for 1 node failed with error: {"current_testing_script_set": ["script set instance with id 233 does not exist."]} <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735822>
[20:25] <roaksoax> vogelc: did you guys figure out your issue ?
[20:35] <torontoy1s> Is there a way to reset my network settings for maas?
[20:35] <torontoy1s> I want to clear them
[20:38] <roaksoax> torontoy1s: what do you mean reset your network settings ?
[20:38] <torontoy1s> I messed them up
[20:38] <torontoy1s> I can't remove a dns enry
[20:38] <torontoy1s> from the gui
[20:38] <roaksoax> torontoy1s: you can do it via the API
[20:38] <torontoy1s> Correction: I can't delete a subnet
[20:39] <torontoy1s> Subnet matching query does no exist
[20:39] <roaksoax> torontoy1s: mpontillo ^^
[20:40] <torontoy1s> roaksoax: I didn't catch the last thing you said
[20:42] <roaksoax> torontoy1s: i mean, mpontillo can help
[20:42] <mpontillo> torontoy1s: how are you deleting it? I would try deleting it by ID instead of name. (easiest way to find the ID is to click on it in the UI and look at the number in the URL, but you can also get it from the API itself)
[20:43] <mpontillo> torontoy1s: rather, ID instead of CIDR, or however you're trying to do it - sorry, I'm speculating ;-)
[20:43] <torontoy1s> subnet6
[20:43] <mup> Bug #1674959 changed: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <pod> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[20:44] <torontoy1s> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/#/subnet/6
[20:45] <torontoy1s> flip.. it won't delete
[20:46] <torontoy1s> I need to reset maas
[20:46] <torontoy1s> without getting rid of images
[20:52] <mup> Bug #1674959 opened: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <pod> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[20:55] <mup> Bug # changed: 1674959, 1731671, 1732184, 1732187, 1732188
[21:01] <mup> Bug # opened: 1731671, 1732184, 1732187, 1732188
[21:13] <mup> Bug # changed: 1730983, 1731214, 1731671, 1732184, 1732187, 1732188
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1735838 opened: abort commissioning fails - maasserver.exceptions.PowerProblem: Unable to change power state to 'off' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735838>
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1735839 opened: feature request: /dev/by-dname symlinks based on GUID patition table UUIDs <cpe-onsite> <curtin:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735839>
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1735840 opened: Failed tests warning shows on device details page <MAAS:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735840>
[21:25] <mup> Bug #1724329 changed: curtin: Installation failed <curtin:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724329>
[21:25] <mup> Bug #1724624 changed: failing commissioning script <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724624>
[21:52] <mup> Bug #1735844 opened: [2.3, regression] Subnets -> Spaces (dropdown) doesn't show what vlans are inside a space and shows DHCP info <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735844>
[22:04] <mup> Bug #1731206 changed: [2.3rc2]  The hardware tests list doesn't update without a refresh when running tests again <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731206>
[22:05] <mup> Bug #1674959 opened: [UI] Close Add Pod button is redundant on pods page <pod> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674959>
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1722902 changed: [2.3, HWTv2] MAAS storage test reports 7 tests passed, 1 timed out, but only 7 tests have been  <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722902>
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1735846 opened: Feature request: allow MaaS to create KVM guests from managed machines <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735846>
[23:11] <mup> Bug #1735846 changed: Feature request: allow MaaS to create KVM guests from managed machines <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735846>
[23:35] <gilp456> Anyone know what the prerequisites are for the maas dhcp?  Meaning, do I need to alter my network interfaces configuration in order to enable it?
[23:56] <bdx> gilp456: maas has to have an interface n the desired network to provide dhcp ... that shoudl be the only prereq


[05:33] <CarlFK> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate  "they move on to become Specs, "  https://www-admin.ubuntu.com/aunchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs
[05:34] <CarlFK> "Authorization Required "
[05:34] <kgoetz> hehe. oops.
[05:34] <CarlFK> should I file a bug report?
[05:35] <kgoetz> yeah
[05:41] <CarlFK> what package?
[05:43] <kgoetz> i think theres an ubuntu-doc package
[05:43] <CarlFK> thanks
[08:14] <mdke> CarlFK: it's the ubuntu-website product
[11:01] <CarlFK> "ubuntu-website" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[15:10] <sommer> hey all, is there a macro, or whatever, that will insert the latest kernel version?  similar to &distro-rev...
[22:39] <mdke> CarlFK: it's not an Ubuntu package (because the website isn't in the Ubuntu distro), it's a project in itself
[22:40] <mdke> sommer: check in global.ent
[22:40] <CarlFK> mdke: ah. got it.  thanks
[23:28] <sommer> mdke: linux-kernel-version... perfect!


[12:11] <hawkaloogie> how would I go about using launchpad to develop a seemingly abandoned gnome project? (gftp to be precise)
[12:11] <hawkaloogie> maybe i should stfw first...
[02:30] <mpt> hawkaloogie, I think the recommended process is for your to e-mail the launchpad-users@ list with evidence of the current maintainers' inactivity and your activity
[03:55] <hawkaloogie> mpt, there is no current maintainer outside of the Gnome-Bugfixer-Guys, but before i make a monumental decision like taking over the project, i'm going to actually checkout and play with the code (seems prudent)
[04:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:16] <mpt> hawkaloogie, that seems like a good plan -- have fun :-)
[04:17] <hawkaloogie> mpt, oh i intend to, so many FTP programs are so far ahead of gftp... but first to fix it's pesky strange bugs
[04:18] <jamesh> hawkaloogie: why not just use nautilus? :)
[04:18] <hawkaloogie> nautilus is a file manager?
[04:18] <jamesh> yeah
[04:18] <hawkaloogie> not an ftp client?
[04:19] <hawkaloogie> i was wondering actually if the gnome project just decided to abandon gftp as deprecated since nautilus has ftp support
[04:20] <jamesh> hawkaloogie: I don't think gftp was ever officially part of the desktop
[04:20] <mpt> That's what I was wondering
[04:20] <jamesh> (that isn't saying anything about the quality of the gftp code -- there are a lot of programs not in the desktop set)
[04:20] <hawkaloogie> well now that would explain just about everything... except my stupidity
[04:21] <hawkaloogie> and that the gnome bugzilla hasn't had a patch commit in about 6 months
[04:26] <mpt> Maybe Launchpad's description of gftp could be updated to mention its obsolescence, if true
[04:27] <hawkaloogie> it doesn't seem to be obsolete, it seems simple to be abandoned
[04:29] <hawkaloogie> besides, imho users would be more familiar working with a gui ftp program instead of using a file manager. even if it'd actually wind up being easier to use nautilus
[04:50] <mpt> I doubt that, myself
[04:50] <mpt> FTP directories are just folders that happen to be somewhere else
[04:50] <mpt> all the same operations apply - copying, moving, renaming, making links, deleting
[04:52] <mpt> Windows Explorer does read/write FTP, Mac OS Finder does read-only FTP (and I suspect the only reason it doesn't do write FTP is to keep alive a software company whose only other major product was rendered irrelevant by iTunes ... but I digress)
[05:18] <hawkaloogie> but... queuing? resuming? recursing? the ability to have two file lists and navigate them simultaneously (double-clicking a folder in one side also transfers to the folder on the otre side)
[05:26] <jamesh> one thing that pisses me off more than telemarketers is telemarketers using badly configured predictive dialing software
[05:52] <mpt> hawkaloogie, Nautilus should (but probably doesn't) do queuing for moves/copies to the same device anyway
[05:52] <mpt> and, arguably, it should also have a two-pane view :-)
[05:53] <mpt> If I understand you correctly, it already does recursing, that's a pretty basic file manager operation
[05:57] <hawkaloogie> yeah, in essence it does everything if you get used to it
[06:17] <mpt> spiv, how's bug 39814 going?
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39814 in launchpad "Misleading login hint" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39814
[08:24] <carlos> morning
[08:40] <mpt> hi carlos
[08:41] <carlos> mpt: how's going?
[08:41] <spiv> mpt: slowly, but I'm doing it now.
[08:47] <mpt> spiv, yay
[08:47] <mpt> Does it need to be done separately for each wiki?
[08:49] <spiv> mpt: Yes, it's a change to the code of the wiki.
[08:49] <spiv> And it appears the code I have is different to the code on the actual wikis here.
[08:50] <spiv> (my copy doesn't have the "create an account" link)
[08:51] <spiv> It's a trivial enough change that the admins ought to be able to do it regardless, so I'm writing up a the RT request now, but at some point we should reconcile the differences between the running copy and what I've been hacking on.
[08:53] <spiv> Actually, I think the bug discussion is missing the real cause of the problem.
[08:54] <spiv> I think the hint isn't the main problem, it's that the field is labelled "Name" rather than "E-mail address".
[08:54] <mpt> indeed
[08:54] <spiv> The launchpad form has no such hint, just correctly labelled fields, and seems to work fine :)
[08:54] <mpt> (I thought the word "hint" was the result of non-native English writers)
[09:00] <spiv> mpt: (btw, you can actually use your launchpad name for the wiki login form too, but not the wikiname.  I really wish we didn't have a seperate wikiname for people...)
[09:02] <mpt> spiv, so you can use your Launchpad name to log in to the wiki, but not to log in to Launchpad?
[09:02] <spiv> mpt: Yes :)
[09:02] <spiv> mpt: This is a "feature" of the authserver
[09:03] <jamesh> spiv: if we got rid of the salt for the password field, you could just ignore the username altogether and do a lookup by password
[09:03] <spiv> mpt: Seeing as we don't accept that for the main webapp, I should remove it, but it's not publicised so no-one ever notices...
[09:03] <spiv> jamesh: Haha, thinking back to the SSH key idea from the other day? ;)
[09:04] <mpt> spiv, I did report a bug once that you should be able to use your ID to log in to Launchpad, but LaunchpadLoginService makes it probably not a good idea
[09:04] <jamesh> spiv: actually, all we need to do is ensure that the same salt is used for every password :)
[09:06] <spiv> mpt: do you have a link for that?
[09:06] <spiv> Ah, I think I found iit.
[09:08] <mpt> Canonical wiki
[09:10] <spiv> I don't see how it matters to LaunchpadLoginService whether you use 'mpt' or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:11] <mpt> spiv, for other services that don't have personal URLs, we won't want to expose IDs, so we can talk about e-mail addresses exclusively
[09:11] <spiv> (I can see that it's desirable to keep accepting only email address, because it's simpler to describe and means users don't need to remember yet another login name, but that's orthogonal)
[09:12] <spiv> Ah.
[09:12] <jamesh> spiv: we don't need to tell people that we accept short user ids ...
[09:13] <spiv> That makes sense, although I don't think it's fundamentally necessary.
[09:13] <spiv> mpt: Ideally, that means we get rid of wikinames ;)
[09:13] <mpt> spiv, that would require heavier hacking of MoinMoin's history function etc, right?
[09:13] <spiv> mpt: not at all.
[09:13] <jamesh> spiv: maybe user IDs in wiki page change logs should link through to launchpad.net?
[09:14] <jamesh> that's the main place where you still see wiki names
[09:14] <mpt> spiv, so what would the author of changes be shown as?
[09:14] <spiv> mpt: Moin is actually quite senisble about storing that info by internal user ID.
[09:14] <mpt> ok
[09:14] <spiv> mpt: Whatever handle we tell Moin to use.
[09:14] <spiv> jamesh: That could work.
[09:15] <spiv> Anyway, I already fought against wikinames and lost, I should just give up :)
[09:17] <jamesh> spiv: if we made Launchpad an OpenID server, it would make even more sense
[09:17] <jamesh> since you'd be using the person page URL as a user ID to log into other sites
[09:17] <spiv> jamesh: yeah, I completely agree.
[09:18] <spiv> Incidentally, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchPadMultiLogin
[09:19] <mpt> heh
[09:55] <siretart> is https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/AuthServer usable for the public now?
[09:56] <jamesh> siretart: no
[09:57] <jamesh> siretart: probably won't ever be.  We have been considering OpenID though
[10:00] <siretart> jamesh: what do I need to request access to the AuthServer? I was told to open a RT ticket, but I don't know how
[10:00] <spiv> siretart: what do you need access for?
[10:00] <siretart> spiv: for Authentication of users, for REVU
[10:01] <spiv> siretart: is that hosted in the Canonical datacentre?
[10:01] <jamesh> siretart: unless things have changed, I don't think you'd be given access to it -- the protocol isn't really suited for the open internet
[10:01] <siretart> spiv: no. It is however on a canonical sponsored server: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <spiv> Yeah, I don't think you're likely to get authserver access.
[10:03] <siretart> well, it was an approved spec, even approved by sabdfl
[10:03] <jamesh> siretart: your app sounds like a good reason to get the OpenID stuff done
[10:04] <spiv> If your system were compromised, it would allow someone to get privileges to hijack accounts, and do things like upload malicious packages and view security-sensitive bugs.
[10:04] <spiv> hijack launchpad accounts, that is.
[10:05] <spiv> To allow you to authenticate against Launchpad without exposing us to that sort or risk, we need to provide OpenID like jamesh says.
[10:05] <jamesh> siretart: with OpenID, your app would never see LP passwords, as the user would be bounced to https://launchpad.net for auth
[10:05] <lifeless> spiv: the authserver can change passwords ?
[10:05] <siretart> so access to the authserver implies access like "su'ing" to other user ids without a password?!
[10:05] <jamesh> siretart: which also means that the user can get some idea of what site is trying to auth them
[10:06] <spiv> lifeless: it can, but even without that there's password sniffing if we let other people's login boxes sit between users and Launchpad.
[10:06] <jamesh> lifeless: if he was using the authserver, then users would be sending their LP login credentials to his site
[10:06] <jamesh> lifeless: we don't want to get people used to entering their LP credentials on random sites
[10:06] <ruffneck> http://volny.cz/ropucha_3000/hitlatuma.swf
[10:06] <lifeless> jamesh: ack
[10:07] <siretart> hm. I see. then I'll need to keep an authentication db. I will think about something else
[10:07] <siretart> currently, I generated gpg keyrings from a launchpad group using rdf parsing
[10:08] <siretart> perhaps I can require users to set a password using a gpg signed message or something
[10:09] <siretart> or don't require a password for commenting uploads at all. we'll see..
[10:10] <jamesh> siretart: https://launchpad.net/people/$USERID/+rdf will give you the list of keys the user has registered with LP, if that helps.
[10:10] <siretart> jamesh: thats what I'm parsing right now. Thanks
[10:14] <jamesh> siretart: when the OpenID stuff is done, the user interaction would basically be that you get the user to enter their OpenID URL and redirect them to the page the OpenID server specifies.  That site asks the user if they want to authenticate to your site and if so redirects back to the URL you specify.
[10:14] <jamesh> siretart: if they've already said they want to auth to your site, the auth form would be skipped.
[10:15] <jamesh> you'd be able to limit it to LP user names by constructing an OpenID URL from an LP user name
[10:15] <jamesh> rather than accepting arbitrary URLs
[10:19] <siretart> jamesh: is there an spec for the openid stuff? what priority does it have?
[10:21] <jamesh> siretart: http://openid.net/ is the protocol I'm talking about
[10:21] <jamesh> siretart: the LP implementation isn't a high priority at the moment.
[10:26] <lifeless> spiv: jamesh which one of you wants to run the review meeting today ?
[10:27] <jamesh> I think I was volunteered last week, which is okay with me
[10:27] <lifeless> cool
[10:27] <lifeless> so there is a topic in this weeks one, which I probably will be to busy to present
[10:27] <lifeless> right now steve and I are preppig, so I can tell you about it now
[10:29] <lifeless> the topic is some branches need specs
[10:29] <lifeless> this is related to the lp meeting emphasis on pre-code reviews
[10:29] <lifeless> erm, pre-code voip calls
[10:30] <lifeless> and the idea is that one thing reviewers doing pre-code calls should do, os consider whether sufficient discussion/planning/whatever has occurred for the feature
[10:30] <lifeless> that is, if someone is working on bug X, we should spend a very small amount o time to be sure that we dont actually need a spec X fist
[10:32] <lifeless> jamesh: ^
[10:32] <jamesh> okay
[10:32] <lifeless> SteveA: you are obsessed with fisting
[10:33] <lifeless> I'd like the team to discuss it, and if it makes snense we'll start doing this, if you feel its really not an issue, then we can just carry on as per
[12:03] <mpt> hi SteveA
[12:27] <ploum> hello
[12:28] <ploum> I'm progressing in my Launchpad frontend Summer Of Code
[12:28] <ploum> And I will soon implement the protocol support
[12:28] <ploum> Can I hope about a sort of protocol to speak with launchpad ?
[12:29] <ploum> or will I have to parse webpage via http ?
[12:31] <stub> We export some information as XML and are starting on adding XML-RPC methods. You can expect things to break parsing the web pages - if the information you need isn't available submit bug reports requesting it.
[12:32] <sivang> morning
[12:32] <stub> I think it is mainly bug information that is available at the moment - Bjorn or Brad should know more if that is the area you are dealing with.
[12:34] <ploum> stub: indeed, I deal only with bugs ATM
[12:34] <ploum> I will contact them
[12:35] <mpt> SteveA, unping, bedtime for me
[12:35] <ploum> thanks
[12:35] <spiv> ploum: There's also https://launchpad.net/bugs/<bug number>/+text
[12:36] <mpt> ploum, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1/+text
[12:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]
[12:36] <mpt> oh, snap
[12:37] <ploum> spiv, mpt: thanks ! It can be helpfull as a temporary solution
[12:37] <ploum> but I also have to make searches and to modify bugs ;-)
[12:39] <stub> ploum: Who is your mentor for the project?
[12:43] <sivang> ploum: You could actually build your application such that there is a common contract to speak to a backend, then start with a backend that parses webpages via http, and then when launchpad grows a protocol like this, just code another backend.
[12:44] <stub> We need to provide the API anyway - I'd rather do it right the first time.
[12:45] <jamesh> reviewers meeting in 20 minutes
[12:46] <sivang> stub: sure :)
[01:03] <jamesh> spiv, BjornT: reviewers meeting?
[01:04] <BjornT> sure
[01:04] <jamesh> lifeless and SteveA are at EuroPython so probably won't be around
[01:04] <jamesh> don't know whether we are expecting salgado or not
[01:05] <SteveA> hi.  i'm not here.
[01:05] <lifeless> neither am I
[01:05] <jamesh> spiv: png?
[01:06] <jamesh> ping even
[01:06] <spiv> jamesh: pong
[01:06] <spiv> I'm here.
[01:06] <spiv> (got distracted by a review! :)
[01:07] <jamesh> == Agenda ==
[01:07] <jamesh>  * Roll call
[01:07] <jamesh>  * Agenda
[01:07] <jamesh>  * Next meeting
[01:07] <jamesh>  * Some branches need specs (RobertCollins if available, otherwise ???)
[01:07] <jamesh>  * Queue status.
[01:07] <jamesh> so, is everyone happy with the same time next week?
[01:08] <jamesh> 10th July, 11:00 UTC
[01:08] <BjornT> fine by me
[01:08] <spiv> Sure.
[01:08] <jamesh> lifeless: do you want to describe the next item, or are you still not here?
[01:09] <ploum> sivang: this is what I do, of course
 the topic is some branches need specs
 this is related to the lp meeting emphasis on pre-code reviews
 erm, pre-code voip calls
 and the idea is that one thing reviewers doing pre-code calls should do, os consider whether sufficient discussion/planning/whatever has occurred for the feature
 that is, if someone is working on bug X, we should spend a very small amount o time to be sure that we dont actually need a spec X fist
[01:09] <ploum> atm, I have a "dummy protocol" that send dummies informations
[01:10] <jamesh> lifeless wanted us to discuss this to see whether we thought it was a good idea.
[01:11] <jamesh> so if you do a pre-code call with someone and the work is non-trivial and has no spec, maybe suggest that a spec be done for it first.
[01:13] <spiv> I think it's a good idea.
[01:13] <BjornT> i think that's a good idea. sometimes it feels like just because someone reported a bug, it means that we should implement it without any discussion needed.
[01:14] <jamesh> okay.  So if anyone sees this sort of situation in a call, they should suggest doing a spec (if appropriate)
[01:14] <jamesh> please mention this in the followup email to the launchpad-reviews mailing list if it happens
[01:15] <jamesh> Last item on the agenda is queue status
[01:16] <spiv> I just moved carlos/launchpad/bug-50472 to merge-conditional a moment ago.
[01:16] <jamesh> the oldest reviews are assigned to kiko and salgado, who were at a sprint last week.  I guess they'll get to their ones this week
[01:17] <spiv> jamesh: even older is the post-merge review I promised for your bug-45987 branch :)
[01:17] <jamesh> I sent in a review for cprov's one earlier today, so ignoring the kiko's and salgado's the oldest is 2 days
[01:18] <jamesh> spiv: I missed that one ...
[01:19] <jamesh> So other than those three branches, things are looking pretty good as far as response times go
[01:19] <spiv> Yeah, it looks healthy to me.
[01:19] <jamesh> Does anyone have anything else to bring up?
[01:20] <BjornT> no, nothing from me
[01:20] <jamesh> okay. Meeting ends.
[01:20] <jamesh> thanks, everybody.
[01:38] <mdke> SteveA: I don't want to reply to your mail on the list, since you've declared it the end, but there is one complication
[01:38] <mdke> SteveA: the ubuntu mailing list guidelines ask people to avoid reply-to-all, and it might be considered an Ubuntu list, even if strictly speaking, it isn't
[01:46] <jamesh> mdke: I guess the Ubuntu mailing list guidelines should be fixed then :)
[01:48] <mdke> jamesh: I don't think so, there are good reasons for doing that. People who post via a newsreader or filter mail by mailing list headers get screwed by reply-to-all.
[01:48] <mdke> where screwed = getting unwanted mail in their inbox
[03:08] <carlos> later
[03:23] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[03:27] <jsgotangco> good evening :)
[03:44] <stub> sabdfl: Did you need those blueprint updates you committed on the weekend to be rolled out tomorrow?
[04:06] <elmo> who's responsible for (in the sense of who gets bugs for) https://launchpad.net/distros ?
[04:08] <malcc> Soyuz UI, therefore cprov and me
[04:09] <elmo> malcc: which product should I file a bug on ?
[04:09] <malcc> elmo: Soyuz
[04:17] <elmo> malcc: thanks
[04:55] <Keybuk> BjornT: ping?
[04:55] <BjornT> Keybuk: pong
[04:55] <Keybuk> BjornT: why do I get bug mail for bug #1 ?
[04:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:56] <Keybuk> I'm not subscribed
[04:56] <Keybuk> yet I'm in the list as "Also Notified"
[04:59] <BjornT> Keybuk: that's because you are the bug contact for sysvinit. there's a bug open on that you at least should be able to unsubscribe from the bug in such cases.
[05:00] <Keybuk> BjornT: but what has that got to do with sysvinit?
[05:00] <BjornT> Keybuk: bug 49687
[05:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49687 in malone "allow unsubscribing implicit subscribers" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49687
[05:00] <Keybuk> the bug isn't linked to sysvinit at all
[05:00] <Keybuk> oh, it's rejected
[05:00] <BjornT> yeah
[05:01] <Keybuk> so if I change that rejected task to something else
[05:01] <Keybuk> I won't get mail?
[05:01] <BjornT> yeah, that's right.
[05:15] <Korsaire> Hello
[05:41] <ploum> can someone point me to the XMLRPC documentation of Malone ?
[05:45] <BjornT> ploum: malone has no xmlrpc interface currently, so there is no documentation about it.
[05:45] <ploum> BjornT: argh !  I thought that...
[05:45] <ploum> erf
[05:45] <ploum> There is no way to access data besides http ?
[05:46] <ploum> (html)
[05:46] <ploum> seb128 just told me that there was one
[05:49] <ploum> (and I saw it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)
[05:50] <carlos> ploum: we are working on it, but we don't have anything available to the public yet
[05:51] <ploum> Do you know when we can expect something ?
[05:51] <carlos> ploum: you will need to wait for BjornT to answer that
[05:51] <ploum> My Summer Of Code is a launchpad interface...
[05:51] <ploum> I "could" parse webpage and send http request but that would be suboptimal
[05:52] <ploum> (and a lot of work too)
[05:52] <carlos> ploum: the XML-RPC we are working on is not for the whole launchpad
[05:53] <ploum> sorry, my SoC is in fact only on Malone for the moment
[05:54] <carlos> SteveA, BjornT: Do you know if zope has a way to sort a batched list like we do now with javascript but as a server process?
[05:54] <BjornT> ploum: you can access bug data using for example /bugs/42/+text. you can also get bug lists, for example /products/launchpad/+bugs-text. i can't find any documentation about it, though, and the format might change in the future.
[05:54] <carlos> ploum: then you will need to talk with BjornT, I don't know all details about it
[05:55] <ploum> BjornT: is there something similar for search results ?
[05:56] <BjornT> ploum: i think so, but i'm not sure. try doing a search and replace +bugs with +bugs-text
[05:56] <ploum> ok, I will try this
[05:59] <BjornT> ploum: as for the xmlrpc interface mentioned in the mail, the documentation is at http://bazaar-vcs.org/Specs/BranchRegistrationTool. but it's probably not useful for you.
[05:59] <ploum> BjornT: waaaa ! it works !
[06:00] <ploum> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs-text?field.searchtext=evolution&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[06:00] <ploum> (sorry for the long url)
[06:02] <BjornT> carlos: well, you could reload the whole page... if that's not enough you'll have to use ajax, and should provide reloading the page as a fallback anyway.
[06:08] <carlos> BjornT: yeah, I know. What I'm asking is whether we have code to do that already or we should implement our own thing
[06:24] <BjornT> carlos: the bug listings are sorted server side, but there's no general infrastructure to use.
[06:25] <carlos> BjornT: do you think we could reuse it? or is it too specific?
[06:29] <BjornT> carlos: i think it's quite hard to reuse it. it could be done by refactoring out some functionality, but it's probably not worth the effort.
[06:30] <carlos> so we should implement it with every form
[08:40] <carlos> see you!!
[09:20] <ploum> BjornT: the +bugs-text interface is not working ! it always send the same numbers
[09:20] <ploum> (and it's a huge list)
[09:44] <dooglus> murhy: if you want to move the whole torrent in one go, right click the torrent in the download list, then advanced -> files -> move data files.  you'll have to stop the torrent file first, or it won't let you.
[09:45] <dooglus> um...
[09:45] <dooglus> sorry.
[10:07] <ploum> sivang: ping
[10:30] <sivang> ploum: pong
[11:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:13] <ploum> mpt: good night too


[16:37] <cmaloney> morning
[16:46] <greg-g> ahoy hoy
[17:06] <_stink_> yo
[17:13] <cmaloney> how's the day so far?
[17:17] <_stink_> my build is broken :P
[17:18] <_stink_> how about you
[17:23] <cmaloney> I have to figure out how to visualize data that is anywhere from 6,000 records to 20 records.
[17:24] <_stink_> :D
[17:39] <jrwren> GME up 6% ;)
[17:44] <cmaloney> proof of fools
[17:47] <jrwren> also...
[17:47] <jrwren> ERROR: Python 3 and later is not compatible with the Google Cloud SDK. Please use Python version 2.7.x.
[17:48] <jrwren> lol... I think I should upgrade this ancient GCP SDK
[17:48] <cmaloney> Heh
[18:28] <greg-g> your build is broken?