[00:07] <tsimpson> that'll be KDE 4.3.10
[00:07] <tsimpson> *4.10.3
[00:09] <|kira> time to restart X lol
[00:11] <tsimpson> don't need to restart X, just logout :p
[00:12] <|kira> graphics driver updates too lol
[03:44] <fractaline> is kmail laid out in a really awkward manner or is it just me
[03:44] <fractaline> ??
[06:58] <alvin> I see the June updates are in. Are they complete yet? Safe to install?
[07:00] <|kira> alvin: Nothing blew up for me
[07:00] <alvin> |kira: ok, thanks for testing ;-)
[07:01] <alvin> I don't see any telepathy changes.
[07:01] <alvin> ok, let's do this. Stopping lightdm...
[07:02] <mokush> 4.10.4 updates are already available in the ppa? great job guys
[07:09] <alvin> Actually, it still says 4.10.3 here, but I installed them. Good news, the telepathy presense indicator no longer crashes my plasma-desktop (although there's nothing about it in the list of changes)
[07:59] <alvin> I have trouble typing the ^ character in KDE applications. I had to paste it here (Quassel). I can type it in non-KDE applications though. Opera, LibreOffice,... but not in Konsole. Any ideas?
[07:59] <valorie> ^
[07:59] <valorie> that's in konversation
[08:00] <valorie> works in konsole as well
[08:00] <alvin> Yes, but maybe you are blessed with a QWERTY keyboard. I'm not.
[08:00] <valorie> ah, true
[08:00] <valorie> I am
[08:02] <alvin> Well, I have one at home, but not at work. We use AZERTY (because of some wars and occupation in the past - funny how these things come to pass). The weird part is that it works outside KDE (and outside X)
[08:08] <valorie> gotta be some keymapping thing
[08:46] <Shubuntu> hey guys, anyone had trouble with quassel not showing whois window?
[09:07] <alvin> Shubuntu: click the name of the IRC server. It's not shown in the channel itself
[09:07] <alvin> ok, plasma-desktop crashed on sending email and I can't start it again...
[09:29] <rimd2r> むかってる
[09:30] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[10:55] <adugeek> Hello  ,every one
[11:01] <fractaline> hello  adugeek
[11:48] <rottingdead> Hello, I'm not familiar with grub:2, how do I add nomodeset to kernel line? Nouveau isn't working with my nvidia card correctly, and causes my system to freeze up.
[11:49] <rottingdead> Once I get my nVidia Drivers installed(Can't think of the package name in Kubuntu), I don't have to worry about nomodeset.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <Captain_Proton> anyone know what widget in netbook interface that is use for closing apps? I remove it and can not find it again
[12:35] <mokush> Captain_Proton: I think you're talking about 'current application control'
[12:55] <Captain_Proton> mokush: thanks i will take a look
[13:03] <Captain_Proton> mokush: that was it thanks
[13:03] <mokush> Captain_Proton: cool
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: ping
[13:29] <szx> http://askubuntu.com/questions/304396/missing-show-a-luncher-when-not-running-option-in-kde
[13:29] <szx> anybody knows?
[13:29] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: ping
[13:31] <BluesKaj> no need to ping , ovidiu-florin , just my nick will notify me on Konversation
[13:32] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[13:32] <ovidiu-florin> remember my problem with Nouveau & Nvidia?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> yes , ovidiu-florin , but I've forgotten which nvidia card
[13:34] <ovidiu-florin> I've been using Nouveau since then. Yesterday it acted again... no more signal on DVI, then on VGA, then the other way around. then no signal at all
[13:34] <ovidiu-florin> VIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2)
[13:34] <ovidiu-florin> and now... sometimes it shows me this: http://postimg.org/image/wjnd7lwyf/
[13:36] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: how do I check for the Nvidia driver version? I forgo
[13:36] <ovidiu-florin> forgot*
[13:36] <ovidiu-florin> I mean which one do I have installed
[13:36] <BluesKaj> dkms status
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> I tried nvidia-smi
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> got a good result: NVIDIA-SMI 4.304.88   Driver Version: 304.88
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> yeah... that one is current updates
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> I've been recommended to use 319, is that available in kubuntu?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> what does dkms status give , ovidiu-florin
[13:42] <ovidiu-florin> nvidia-current-updates, 304.88, 3.5.0-32-generic, x86_64: installed
[13:42] <BluesKaj> and you're on 13.04 ?
[13:43] <ovidiu-florin> no
[13:43] <ovidiu-florin> on 12.10
[13:44] <ovidiu-florin> should I upgrade?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> hmm, 12.10 had some graphics troubles , and the 319 driver might work on it , not sure ,since I'm on 13.10 with the 319 , but I can go back and check on the 13.04 install
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> when is the next LTS?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, give me 5 mins ..bbl
[13:57] <BluesKaj> the default driver for 13.04 is 313.30 , which is more stable than the 308 , ovidiu-florin
[13:57] <ovidiu-florin> so I should upgrade to 13.04
[13:57] <ovidiu-florin> muon or APT?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> 13.04 is relatively bugfree vs 12.10 IMO ,and yes an upgrade to 13.04 will probly help alot
[13:59] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, first of all run a sudo apt-get-update;sudo apt-get upgrade  , before doing the OS upgrade
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> upgrade or reinstall?
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: of course
[14:01] <BluesKaj> depends , how much time do yuo have , a netupgrade can take a while depending on your internet connection
[14:02] <ovidiu-florin> which is more stable?
[14:02] <ovidiu-florin> and bug free?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> 13.04 is more stable in my experience
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: I mean which way or upgrading?
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> upgrade, or reinstall?
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> fo*
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> of**
[14:07] <BluesKaj> either one will work , but if you do-release-upgrade in the terminal it should work fine , saves time backing up all your data
[14:07] <BluesKaj> although you should anyway
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> I've started do-release-upgrade
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> how does it work, BTW?
[14:36] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[15:26] <StFS> Hi. I'm having problems with logging in if I create an .xsession file. The only thing it has is a single line "export SOME_VARIABLE=/some/path" but that seems to be enough to cause kdm to fail on login... if I move the file out of the way it logs in just fine... any idea what the problem is?
[15:26] <StFS> I'm using kubuntu 12.04.2
[15:53] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: pong
[15:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon, all :)
[15:58] <kristjan> Hi, how can i install kubuntu next to win8 ?
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: upgrade finished, uninstalling Nvidia driver and rebooting
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> bbl
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> hey lordievader
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> Problems with nouveau .....
[16:02] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Again? *sigh*
[16:03] <lordievader> The freezing? Or something else this time?
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: something else
[16:07] <lordievader> What exactly?
[16:08] <ovidiu-florin> it stopped sending signal over DVI, then over VGA, then over both, then again on both....
[16:08] <ovidiu-florin> and eventually, it showed this: http://postimg.org/image/wjnd7lwyf/
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> I installed nvidia current updates, and of course, max 800x600
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> greeeat...
[16:09] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Did you test the monitor on another machine?
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: I've upgraded to 13.04
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: no, I havent, because it worked today....
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> until a reboot
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> now, I've upgraded to 13.04
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> nouveau, is stuck at max 800x600
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> trying nvidia
[16:11] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Maybe you should, the video card is saying the EDID checksum is invalid. It might also explain why you get 800x600.
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> what is EDID?
[16:11] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> aha
[16:12] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: It tells the pc supported resolutions for example.
[16:12] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll try a different monitor
[16:12] <kristjan> kubuntu next to win 8
[16:12] <kristjan> please help
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: what do you not know?
[16:15] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: you can ask in romanian in #ubuntu-ro
[16:19] <kristjan> ovidiu-florin sorry i dont speak romanian and also i dont know how to install kubuntu next to win 8
[16:20] <kristjan> i need some help with that
[16:22] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: your WHOIS says you are connecte from Pitești, RO
[16:23] <kristjan> hahaaa
[16:23] <kristjan> currently in in helsinki finland
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> hmm...
[16:23] <ovidiu-florin> weird
[16:23] <tsimpson> the server you connect to has no relation to where you are
[16:24] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: thank's for the heads-up
[16:24] <kristjan> ok this problem is solved
[16:24] <kristjan> kuntu next to win 8 now
[16:24] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: on wich step of the installation do you have problems?
[16:25] <kristjan> when im tryng to install from usb , windows gives mes some error message
[16:25] <kristjan> like some file is missing or something
[16:25] <kristjan> i disabled the secure boot but nothing changes
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader, BluesKaj Installed nvidia-313-updates... no help
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: are you sure the USB flash drive is set up correctly?
[16:31] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Is the display correctly ID'ed on another machine?
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> windows shouldn't have anything to comment while kubuntu boots
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: how do I test that?
[16:31] <ovidiu-florin> check the resolution?
[16:31] <lordievader> Got to go, ttyl.
[16:32] <kristjan> usb should be ok
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: can you test it elsewhere?
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> !uefi
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: this might help ^
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> if you have uefi
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> bbl
[16:34] <kristjan> thanks for the link
[16:36] <kristjan> i have to disable fastboot, intel smart response and fast startup
[16:37] <kristjan> i dont see any of those in my bios
[16:39] <puff`> I'm running raring withk kubuntu-desktop and my bluetooth mouse seems to need to be re-found after every suspend-to-ram.  Also, the bluetooth widget on the task bar seems to disappear and reappear semi-randomly, so when I need to re-find the mouse, I can't find the bluetooth widget...
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin_> lordievader: are you back?
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: you have eighter bios or uefi
[16:51] <kristjan> hm, i think i have bios
[16:56] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: can you boot from the USB?
[16:57] <kristjan> nope
[16:57] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: sorry for the interrupted help, I'm struggling with my video drivers
[16:57] <ovidiu-florin> I can't allways see the screen
[16:57] <kristjan> no problev
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: in that case, eighter the flash drive is not set up correctly, or your bios is not configured to boot off it
[16:58] <kristjan> i get the error message when it starts to boot
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: laptop?
[16:58] <kristjan> laptop
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> what laptop?
[16:58] <kristjan> samsung chronos 7
[17:00] <kristjan> when it starts i can chose between kubuntu and win 8
[17:00] <kristjan> but when i klick on kubuntu
[17:01] <kristjan> i get the message windows filed to start. a recent hardware or software change might be the cause
[17:02] <kristjan> file ubuntu winboot wubildr.mbr
[17:02] <kristjan> status 0x000007b
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> have you managed to install kubuntu before on this laptop?
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935699
[17:04] <kristjan> nope, just got it
[17:07] <ovidiu-florin> try the stuff mentioned on the link I gave you
[17:08] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[17:09] <kristjan> i cant find in bios how to enable legacy devices boot
[17:10] <ovidiu-florin> look through the menus
[17:14] <kristjan> cant find it
[17:15] <kristjan> usb stick is formated to fat16
[17:16] <kristjan> and installation disc created with startup disc creator
[17:16] <kristjan> should be ok
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> it shoud be fat32
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> kristjan: ^
[17:21] <kristjan> im here
[17:21] <kristjan> fat32
[17:21] <kristjan> ok
[17:22] <kristjan> i will make it
[17:25] <AceKing> I just installed 13.04 64 bit on my laptop, and my wireless is running real slow. I went online looking for solutions for my specific adapter, (Realtek RTL8723AE) but nothing is working.. Can someone help? Here is the output from lspci -vv paste.ubuntu.com/5736350/
[17:32] <kristjan> ovidiu-lorin i get the same error message
[17:48] <kristjan> in my other laptop usb works fine
[17:51] <Guest61418> Hi every body
[17:51] <Guest61418> this is sarath
[17:57] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: ping
[18:20] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: pong
[18:20] <ovidiu-florin> nothing works
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> I'm switching to Arch Linux
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> or suse
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> haven't decided yet
[19:33] <dcorbin> I downloaded a v12 iso.  It passes the md5 check.  But the DVD won't boot.  My v13 ISO boots fine.
[20:05] <infrid> hi
[20:12] <RaphaelAraujo> Hi there people. Anybody there knows which file format the GTK icons theme needs to be in the KDE Config GTK Style thingy on System Settings? I'm trying to put Faenza as my gtk theme (since I already use Kfaenza as my kde theme), but after selecting the Faenza.tar.gz, the "Install Icons" button stays grayed out.
[21:31] <robin> will kde 4.10.4 be avialable for kubuntu 13.04?
[21:31] <BigWig_> Is there a way to make Kubuntu stop telling me to upgrade a package that I definitely do not want to upgrade?
[21:31] <BigWig_> My Wacom Tablet doesn't play nice with the new drivers..
[21:32] <genii> !pinning | BigWig_
[21:33] <BigWig_> genii:  Thanks!
[21:34] <Guest37005> hello, does anyone know how to toggle KWin effects in the terminal? I just want to figure out the command to toggle one specific effect this way.
[21:49] <Muc_Baer_Hotel> Hello from Munich
[23:53] <leonov> hello everyone
[23:59] <dcorbin> I burned a CD from  valid (signature matched) 12.04 .iso .  Won't boot.  Suggestions?


[04:01] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-completed-jobs-for-celery/+merge/168859 with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5760296/ to claw it back to net-negative if you approve
[04:04] <wgrant> StevenK: I'm still not entirely sure that that's the right place to put it
[04:05] <wgrant> And we also need to handle FAILED
[04:05] <wgrant> And RUNNING
[04:05] <wgrant> We handle that in the normal runner by only retrieving jobs that are WAITING
[04:05] <wgrant> Ideally the list of jobs from celery should be filtered at a similar level -- above runJob
[04:05] <StevenK> RUNNING should be handled by acquireLease
[04:08] <StevenK> wgrant: I wasn't able to figure out which code path pulls job off the queue, so we could make it skip and drop jobs that aren't WAITING
[04:14] <wgrant> StevenK: lazr.jobrunner.celerytask.RunJob.run is the relevant method.
[04:14] <wgrant> Difficult to override without just copying it
[04:16] <StevenK> It just calls job_source.get, we could make it return None if the job is not WAITING and then have run pike if the job is None
[04:16] <wgrant> That sounds less than ideal
[04:16] <StevenK> Right
[04:19] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd put a waitingness check between the get and acquireLease
[04:20] <wgrant> Probably just in a local override for now
[04:20] <StevenK> wgrant: But isn't that too high again? That isn't pulling stuff off the queue, it's running the job
[04:23] <wgrant> StevenK: That's the celery task
[04:23] <wgrant> It's a RunJob task that is given to celery
[04:23] <wgrant> It examines and runs the job
[04:24] <wgrant> It's the appropriate level
[04:24] <wgrant> And indeed the highest level that isn't inside celery
[04:24]  * StevenK stabs LP
[04:24] <nigelb> LP will stab you back... :p
[04:24] <StevenK> Now this script is causing an OOPS because it REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to send a mail
[04:25] <StevenK> nigelb: Duh. I have scars.
[04:25] <nigelb> Heh
[04:28] <StevenK> wgrant: lp.services.job.celeryjob.CeleryRunJob is a subclass of RunJob, we could check the status is WAITING pretty easily and then not call super() ?
[04:29] <wgrant> StevenK: Except that the superclass method is the bit that calls job.get
[04:29] <wgrant> I'd just override the method and we can push it upstream into that project that nobody else uses eventually
[04:30] <StevenK> wgrant: Or I could just fix it in lazr.jobrunner?
[04:31] <wgrant> StevenK: You could. I guess adding the extra bit to the interface isn't a problem, as there's only one implementation.
[04:49] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5760341/
[04:50] <StevenK> wgrant: I couldn't work out how to get the enum into jobrunner
[04:54] <StevenK> wgrant: And I can't work out how to test it.
[04:57] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd consider 'if not job.canRun()', perhaps
[04:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Then it can go live in jobrunner if it's that.
[04:58] <wgrant> StevenK: That's the point :)
[05:12] <StevenK> wgrant: Then it turns into a two liner, because I can't work out how to get at the logger
[05:13] <wgrant> StevenK: :(
[05:39] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/lazr.jobrunner/only-run-if-canrun/+merge/169105
[05:41] <wgrant> StevenK: That doesn't break its tests?
[05:41]  * StevenK finds out
[05:46] <StevenK> FileJob\\\' object has no attribute \\\'canRun\
[05:46] <StevenK> Pity
[05:56] <StevenK> wgrant: This would be easier if r49 didn't fail tests locally.
[06:22] <StevenK> wgrant: From what I can see, both r49 and r51 with my changes fail locally in the same way.
[06:22] <wgrant> StevenK: Can you fix the test failure?
[06:24] <StevenK> wgrant: I don't get why r49 fails
[06:24] <StevenK> r49 being 'trunk'
[23:44] <StevenK> wgrant: So you're not happy wih https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/lazr.jobrunner/only-run-if-canrun/+merge/169105 ?
[23:48] <wgrant> StevenK: Ah, that's right, I got distracted by the test suite hanging and then other things
[23:53] <StevenK> wgrant: The test suite breaks for me locally, but the failures from trunk are identical at least
[23:54] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, now that you've fixed the test job implementation
[23:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Happy to build 0.12, stuff it into sourcedeps and then toss a branch that jumps to 0.12 at ec2
[23:58] <wgrant> StevenK: As long as you also add a canRun method to the LP job implementations...
[23:59] <StevenK> Oh, I thought that exists
[23:59] <StevenK> *existed
[23:59] <StevenK> Let me find the base class
[23:59] <wgrant> No
[23:59] <wgrant> There's actually already an is_pending method, which is WAITING/RUNNING/SUSPENDED
[23:59] <wgrant> Might be better to make canRun() is_runnable


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[00:15] <mrooney> hmm what about bug #220037, that isn't a bug is it, has everything just transitioned to sda?
[00:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220037 in ubuntu "ata harddrives are listed as scis sda" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220037
[00:16] <Nafallo> it is not a bug indeed.
[00:17] <mrooney> I did some googling but couldn't find anything explaining authoritatively what happened
[00:17] <mrooney> all all hard drives sda?
[00:19] <Nafallo> no, but we're getting there.
[00:19] <mrooney> oh, are there any blog posts or anything. you say "getting there", so is there somewhere explaining why the transition is taking place, that I can use
[00:21] <Nafallo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[00:22] <Nafallo> also, http://linux-ata.org/faq.html
[01:17] <bdmurray> calc: pong
[01:19] <calc> bdmurray: bug 218793 can you see it?
[01:19] <ubotu> Bug 218793 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/218793 is private
[01:20] <bdmurray> calc: nope, why?
[01:21] <calc> its supposedly a OOo bug but its hidden from me still
[01:36] <jarlath> In hardy, is migration-assistant a part of ubiquity or debian-installer? packages.ubuntu.com only references gutsy and says it's in debian-installer.
[01:43] <bdmurray> jarlath: you only seen m-a in ubiquity not in debian-installer.
[01:44] <jarlath> bdmurray: Thanks.
[01:44] <bdmurray> no problem
[03:15] <mroone1> oh me oh my, that was the fourth or fifth hard lock-up in three days, with Hardy
[03:15] <mroone1> I have never had this before, I have no clue what to do about it :[
[03:15] <mroone1> how do you debug something like that?
[03:16] <RAOF> Check the system logs, see if anything stands out?
[03:17] <RAOF> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash may also help.
[04:11] <DShepherd> hello everyone
[04:12] <DShepherd> can someone help find someone that can fix bug 48180
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48180 in control-center "System -> Prefernces -> About Me does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48180
[04:12] <DShepherd> ?
[04:19] <bdmurray> DShepherd: does not work with which release?
[04:19] <DShepherd> i know it doesnt work for gutsy.
[04:19] <DShepherd> bdmurray, do you have hardy?
[04:20] <bdmurray> DShepherd: why yes I do
[04:20] <DShepherd> bdmurray, do you have this problem also>
[04:20] <DShepherd> ?
[04:20] <DShepherd> in hardy of course
[04:20] <bdmurray> I'm still reading but I can input data w/o any problems
[04:21] <DShepherd> bdmurray, the title is a bit misleading..
[04:21] <bdmurray> You could change it then
[04:21] <DShepherd> if you save an email address in work and close it.. it comes up in home when you reopen it
[04:21] <DShepherd> bdmurray, how do you I go about changing the title?
[04:22] <bdmurray> click the pencil by "Bug description"
[04:22] <DShepherd> bdmurray, should i open another bug and mark this one as a duplicate?
[04:22] <DShepherd> bdmurray, indeed...
[04:24] <bdmurray> I think I can confirm the e-mail addresses being transposed
[04:24] <DShepherd> bdmurray, so... do you have this problem too?
[04:24] <DShepherd> o
[04:25] <DShepherd> in hardy too bdmurray ?
[04:25] <bdmurray> I'm double checking with a different account / system
[04:25] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok. i will do the same
[04:28] <DShepherd> bdmurray, it seems to be a problem for another account i have on this system
[04:33] <bdmurray> DShepherd: I put the package version I tested with, but I think the package is wrong
[04:33] <bdmurray> nope, by bad the package name is right
[04:33] <DShepherd> ok
[04:34] <bdmurray> The only bug I observed was the work and home e-mail addresses being transposed
[04:34] <DShepherd> bdmurray, well.. here's another....
[04:34] <DShepherd> bdmurray, after entering information and clicking the close button all inputted info seems not to be saved.
[04:34] <DShepherd> bdmurray, is that the same for you?
[04:35] <bdmurray> no, that is not the case on Hardy
[04:36] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ... well in gutsy no matter what change you make and then you click the Close Button at the bottom right of the dialog. the information is not saved
[04:37] <DShepherd> bdmurray, you say that this is not in hardy?
[04:37] <bdmurray> That is correct, that bug does not exist in Hardy.
[04:37] <DShepherd> bdmurray, what version gnome is hardy runng?
[04:37] <bdmurray> I put the package version in the bug
[04:37] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok
[04:39] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok. I am currently talking to ivazquez in #gnome or gimp.net. I want to check to see if this is an bug is upstream too
[04:39] <DShepherd> bdmurray, do you know ivazquez?
[04:40] <bdmurray> no I do not
[04:40] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok
[04:43] <DShepherd> bdmurray, do you know what i can do to kinda push this bug to be fixed?
[04:44] <bdmurray> forward it upstream for Ubuntu 8.10, for 8.04 it depends
[04:45] <DShepherd> bdmurray, by the way, does your help button do anything?
[04:46] <bdmurray> Help where?
[04:47] <DShepherd> bdmurray, on the about me dialog. does the help button do anything?
[04:47] <bdmurray> there is no help button anymore it seems
[04:47] <DShepherd> bdmurray, oh ok
[04:51] <DShepherd> bdmurray, how do i go about forwarding it upstream. Excuse my ignorance. I am quite new to this part
[04:53] <bdmurray> DShepherd: We have some documentation on that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME
[04:54] <DShepherd> bdmurray, thanks for your patience and your time. I will give that a read
[04:54] <bdmurray> no problem I'll be a around for another 30 minutes or so if you have any more questions
[05:06] <DShepherd> is bug 182356 some sort of duplicate  bdmurray ?
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182356 in gnome-control-center "The gnome-about-me application erases information on reboot." [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182356
[05:11] <JohnPhys> kees:  Did you ever get a chance to look at Bug #195052 ?
[05:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195052 in inkscape "Latex formula does not work on Ubuntu Hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195052
[05:11] <bdmurray> DShepherd: I think it might be a different issue
[05:12] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok
[05:12] <bdmurray> I haven't tried rebooting and can't very easily
[05:12] <bdmurray> While the other one should be about transposing the e-mail addresses
[05:12] <techno_freak> bdmurray, i feel that bug is valid in hardy, i remember filling up personal details and everything is gone now
[05:13] <DShepherd> bdmurray, yeah. its a weird bug. I just tried switching tabs before i close the about me dialog after putting an email address in home. On reopen both home and work have the same email address
[05:16] <bdmurray> techno_freak: okay, it would be best to test it with a specific package version and add that to the bug
[05:16] <techno_freak> bdmurray, ok
[05:17] <bdmurray> Uh, I mean test it and the package version to make it more complete
[05:22] <DShepherd> bdmurray, i have filed a bug upstream but it has not been 'approved' should I wait until its confirmed before I make a note on launchpad?
[05:22] <techno_freak> rebooted, all details seems to be intact as it was :)
[05:23] <DShepherd> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529147
[05:23] <ubotu> Gnome bug 529147 in about-me "The home address in the About Me dialog overrides the Work Address" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[05:25] <bdmurray> DShepherd: no, you should create a bug watch in Launchpad now that will point to the upstream bug report see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches for details
[05:26] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok
[05:26] <bdmurray> I'm updating that Gnome page I pointed you to to reflect that
[05:27] <DShepherd> bdmurray, ok
[05:28] <DShepherd> bdmurray, wow, can launchpad grow fruits and vegetables too?
[05:29] <bdmurray> No, that would feed the bugs. ;)
[05:30] <DShepherd> ;-)
[05:31] <DShepherd> bdmurray, that's if for now?
[05:31] <DShepherd> it*
[05:31] <DShepherd> bdmurray, anything else i need to do?
[05:32] <bdmurray> I think updating the title would be helpful
[05:33] <bdmurray> techno_freak: okay, we could close that bug as Fix Released since it is fixed in Hardy
[05:33] <techno_freak> bdmurray, ok :)
[05:36] <techno_freak> done
[05:36] <bdmurray> I'm heading out, thanks for helping out techno_freak and DShepherd
[05:36] <DShepherd> bdmurray, thanks for the help too
[05:36] <techno_freak> ciao bdmurray
[05:36] <DShepherd> bug 48180
[05:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48180 in control-center "The home address in the About Me dialog overrides the Work Address" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48180
[05:36] <bdmurray> great!
[05:37] <DShepherd> should i say something nice..
[05:37] <DShepherd> ? :-)
[05:38] <DShepherd> like i changed your title and description?
[05:38] <DShepherd> or.. the bug has been reported upstream?
[05:38] <DShepherd> bdmurray, sorry if I am keeping you..
[05:41] <DShepherd> anyways.. I am out. I'll try and drop by sometime tomorrow
[05:42] <techno_freak> ciao DShepherd
[05:42] <DShepherd> techno_freak, take care
[09:31] <jfcgauss_> greetings. i have xubuntu 7.10 amd64 desktop on a dell core2 laptop. i have postgresql-{,client-,doc-,server-dev-}8.2 installed, and nothing else from any other version of PG. pg_config reports incorrect results that belong to v8.3 instead of v8.2. thx...
[09:46] <techno_freak> what he did? :s
[15:21] <RochJer> Hello - I wanted to know if I can report one simple bug in here
[15:33] <jarlath> I don't know what package to assign this bug. The bug is the lack of installed help for users and groups in xubuntu.
[15:33] <jarlath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220255
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220255 in ubuntu "no help for xubuntu "users and groups"" [Undecided,New]
[15:34] <jarlath> Even if I knew the package, the bug is that it's not included as opposed to the package itself so can anyone tell me what to assign it to?
[15:36] <pedro_> xubuntu-system-tools maybe?
[15:37] <pedro_> works fine with gnome-system-tools on hardy though
[15:37] <seb128> they use gnome-system-tools directly nowadays no?
[15:37] <seb128> pedro_: they might not have yelp installed though
[15:37] <pedro_> right
[15:40] <jarlath> I could just assign it to xfce4 and let those guys decide where to go with it?
[15:42] <mr_pouit> xubuntu-meta seems to be a better idea
[15:44] <jarlath> Ah, very good.
[16:43] <afflux> morning :)
[16:43] <pedro_> re :-P
[16:44] <Iulian> Oups, this is the right channel.
[16:45] <bdmurray> hello all
[16:45] <afflux> hey bdmurray
[16:46] <Iulian> Hi bdmurray
[16:46] <pedro_> morning bdmurray!
[16:46]  * afflux wonders whether ubuntu release is an excuse for getting some free days from school: we probably have lots of bugs to triage :)
[16:47] <bdmurray> afflux: I'll sign something for you!
[16:47] <afflux> thanks! I'll tell my teacher. He uses linux on the school machines btw., but it's suse 10.1 :(
[16:47] <bdmurray> Now, really is a critical time though.  We have lots of bugs coming in and need to identify the most important ones.
[16:50] <afflux> yeah right. though I've the impression that we got far more reports after alpha releases than after the RC
[16:54] <bdmurray> I'm checking the graphs, that's weird.
[16:54] <afflux> yes, it's really only an impression I had, I didn't check any numbers ;)
[16:55] <bdmurray> you might be right, I'm not certain how to interpret it though
[16:56] <afflux> I think either all major problems are known or they even have been fixed :)
[16:56] <bdmurray> I hope so!
[17:29] <james_w> Hi all.
[17:29] <james_w> Can anyone reproduce https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aalib/+bug/218868 ?
[17:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218868 in aalib "libaa1-dev uninstallable; causes FTBFS in other packages" [Critical,New]
[17:30] <bdmurray> james_w: I'm checking
[17:31] <james_w> thanks
[17:32] <hggdh> james_w: so am I :-)
[17:33] <hggdh> james_w: successfully installed libaa1-dev. Hardy, AMD64
[17:33] <james_w> thanks for testing
[17:33] <bdmurray> I was able to install it too, is that really the bug though?
[17:36] <hggdh> it does seem to be the issue. The autotest log shows the failure
[17:36] <james_w> maybe this has been fixed by something else then.
[17:36] <hggdh> and on an amd64...
[17:36] <afflux> huh. bug 220298
[17:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220298 in ubuntu "/usr/bin/X11 is a reference to ." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220298
[17:37] <james_w> heh
[17:37] <hggdh> now, I looked up my aalib.info, and it seems correct (i.e., without the space in front of the '* AA-lib' entry
[17:38] <afflux> can confirm the X11 thing, but I think this is quite... weird :) /usr/bin/X11: symbolic link to `.'
[17:38] <james_w> afflux: it's intentional
[17:39] <afflux> oh. Right, just found that in NEWS.Debian
[17:52] <thekorn> hello all!
[17:52] <bdmurray> thekorn: hello
[17:53] <thekorn> hi bdmurray
[17:57] <thekorn> is there a list of all known bugs in the RC of the different flavours somewhere?
[18:06] <stgraber> thekorn: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[18:06] <stgraber> thekorn: that'll be hidden tomorrow when the first final candidates will be released though
[18:06] <stgraber> thekorn: We don't have a way to access our archives yet :(
[18:07] <thekorn> stgraber, WOW, that's exactly what I was looking for, much better than the views in launchpad
[18:07] <bdmurray> thekorn: its nice having the counts there too
[18:07]  * thekorn hugs stgraber
[18:08] <bdmurray> It's also possible to look for bugs tagged iso-testing
[18:08] <syke> hi
[18:08] <thekorn> my first idea was to look here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs
[18:09] <syke> I think I've figured out why flash apps lock up on my laptop
[18:09] <bdmurray> right, those are bugs with approved nominations which isn't as useful I think
[18:09] <thekorn> but it's defenetly not well structured
[18:09] <syke> it has nothing to do with the nth song playing on pandora
[18:09] <bdmurray> the qatracker ones may not yet be nominated and approved for Hardy
[18:09] <syke> it's when there's a powersave mode change
[18:11] <syke> I have my policy set to powersave
[18:11] <syke> when the screen blanks after x number of minutes, pandora stops playing
[18:11] <syke> and the browser screen where the flash control is goes blank
[18:13] <syke> can someone try to reproduce?
[18:14] <syke> this is on amd64, kubuntu
[18:14] <syke> hp pavilion laptop
[18:44] <syke> I entered my bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220317
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220317 in ubuntu "flash hangs when screen blanks on laptop with hardy" [Undecided,New]
[18:45] <syke> if there's any info I can/should add to help debug, let me know
[18:46] <bdmurray> syke: it isn't clear to me what to set in gnome-power-manager to test this
[18:47] <syke> bdmurray: I'm using kubuntu, so it's kpowermanager here
[18:47] <syke> but I right-click, policy->powersave
[18:51] <syke> bdmurray: find it?
[18:53] <ogra> bdmurray, g-p-m doesnt allow to set the cpufreq governor deliberately, you wont find options like powersave/ondemand/performance there
[18:55] <ogra> we default to ondemand for everything because powersave forces the lowest speed the cpu offers (in my case 133MHz for example which will likely break sound playback as the CPU cant handle the sampling rate)
[18:56] <ogra> (see /etc/init.d/powernowd)
[18:58] <ogra> the bug here is that kpowersave allows you to select such a mode
[18:59] <ogra> s/kpowersave/kpowermanager/
[19:00] <bdmurray> ogra: thanks for that information, that's really useful!
[19:02] <syke> ogra: dynamic also triggers the issue here
[19:02] <syke> for me, "powersave" is 800mhz
[19:03] <ogra> lucky you :)
[19:03] <ogra> syke, for many people its not ... thats why we use ondemand by default :)
[19:03] <syke> you could probably still test
[19:04] <ogra> i dont have kubuntu available here
[19:04] <syke> dynamic == ondemand
[19:04] <syke> I don't think it's a kubuntu issue
[19:04] <ogra> well, ubuntu doesnt offer any UI element to do what you do there
[19:05] <ogra> it might technically be an issue, but ubuntu users wont experience it
[19:08]  * syke sighs
[19:08] <syke> if it defaults to ondemand
[19:08] <syke> as you say
[19:08] <syke> then, likely they will
[19:08] <syke> since the issue occurs in that mode as well
[19:08] <syke> sorry if I wasn't making that clear
[19:15] <osmosis> the icon for xchat-gnome is broken after first installing, but is fine after a reboot.
[19:15] <osmosis> it was this way in gutsy, and appears the same in hardy.
[19:18] <syke> so...
[19:18] <syke> is there anything else I need to add to this bug?
[19:19] <syke> should I contact my canonical support rep to try and get some attention?
[19:22] <bdmurray> syke: I'm still not clear on how to recreate it in Ubuntu but I set laptop lid is closed to "Blank screen" and am listening to music from pandora.com with the lid closed
[19:22] <syke> yea, the lid itself doesn't do it for me either
[19:28] <syke> can you try setting the powersave mode?
[19:30] <ogra> syke, you said it is occuring during mode switching only
[19:31] <syke> seeminglu
[19:31] <ogra> there is no way to switch modes in ubuntu
[19:31] <syke> er
[19:31] <syke> I don't mean when manually switching the policy
[19:31] <ogra> unless you use the commandline and know what to do
[19:31] <syke> I mean when the CPU/input has been idle, and the CPU and display power down further
[19:32] <ogra> they wont in ondemand
[19:32] <syke> ACPI modes, or whatever they are called these days
[19:32] <syke> actually
[19:32] <syke> they will in ondemand
[19:32] <ogra> ondemand will always give as much CPU as needed
[19:32] <syke> I have this problem with either policy
[19:32] <syke> exactly
[19:32] <syke> it switches modes to do that
[19:32] <ogra> the thing is that you say it only occurs when you swith modes
[19:32] <ogra> which doesnt happen in ubuntu
[19:33] <syke> I think you are confusing the powermanager/cpufreq policy
[19:33] <ogra> it doesnt switch from ondemand to anything ese ever
[19:33] <syke> and the actual changing of power modes in the hardware
[19:33] <ogra> *else
[20:12] <Arby> mvo_: I've been looking at bug 216907 some more, got time to discuss?
[20:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216907 in update-manager "update-manager does not accept debian proxies" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216907
[20:15] <mvo_> Arby: yes
[20:16] <Arby> mvo_: I set up apt-proxy and then tried running update-manager -d in a VM pointing at the proxy
[20:16] <Arby> having removed all none proxy lines from sources.list
[20:16] <Arby> as you suggested in the bug report
[20:17] <mvo_> ok - what happens then?
[20:17] <Arby> u-m still disables the proxy repos
[20:17] <Arby> and inserts it's own
[20:17] <mvo_> Arby: could you please put your /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log online? I would like to have a look (or sent it to me by mail)?
[20:18] <Arby> sure, I'll have to re-run the test first, should have saved that log file, oops :)
[20:18] <Arby> back in a few minutes
[20:18] <mvo_> ok
[20:31] <Arby> mvo_: main.log http://paste.stgraber.org/2676
[20:31] <Arby> I think my proxy might be messed up
[20:32] <Arby> but I don't know why
[20:33] <Arby> I have no experience with apt-proxy until now
[20:33] <mvo_> Arby: yeah, that is actually a feature you see here :) if no package source that works can be found it will add one for oyu
[20:34] <Arby> mvo_: ok, so I need to work out what's up with the proxy
[20:34] <mvo_> yes
[20:34] <Arby> I can ssh between the two machines so connectivity is there.
[20:34] <Arby> OK I think I'll start over
[20:52] <Arby> mvo_: would you mind looking at my apt-proxy config file http://pastebin.com/f3f7780b4
[20:53] <Arby> I'm getting errors about 'no suitable backend found'
[20:53] <Arby> when running apt-proxy-import
[20:53] <Arby> and I can't work out why
[21:01] <mvo_> Arby: what does your sources.list look like? apt-proxy expectes something like deb http://server:9999/ubuntu I think
[21:02] <mvo_> Arby: hm, did you try (just for the fun of it) to remove the trailing "/" from your ubuntu/ source entry?
[21:03] <Arby> no but I can do
[21:03] <Arby> mvo_: I'm at the step before that working from this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy#head-be0e5f3cd615e9100d4bd6d75dc57d2b19d2919a
[21:03] <Arby> trying to import from main apt cache to apt-proxy cache
[21:04] <Arby> I've just found a bug report saying this is broken
[21:04] <Arby> and likely to remain so
[21:04] <Arby> but having read the report I don't think this function is critical
[21:04] <Arby> so I'll bypass that step and see what happens
[21:05] <mvo_> Arby: please try without the "/" after ubuntu
[21:05] <Arby> OK I will
[21:26] <Arby> mvo_: all seems to be working now with trailing '/' removed
[21:27] <Arby> I get a dialogue saying 'No Valid Mirror found. Would you like to proceed. Clicking yes will change all gutsy to hardy'
[21:27] <Arby> or words to that effect but a bit more verbose
[21:29] <Arby> mvo_: would u-m be expected to work if the machine running the proxy had no internet access and only a dvd as a repo
[21:34] <mvo_> Arby: sort of, it would hang for a long time at startup though because it tries to connect to the net
[21:35] <Arby> I'm just thinking that the reporter on 216907 implied that none of the machines had access to the outside world
[21:35] <Arby> comment 3 just after your first comment
[21:36] <Arby> and I was wondering what the solution is there
[21:38] <Arby> mvo_: do you have any plans to teach u-m to test for an available network and behave accordingly in the future?
[21:38] <Arby> it's something that comes up often in the bug reports
[21:39] <mvo_> Arby: I have a pending upload that shorten the timeout considerable (from 120s to 20s) - this should improve it a lot
[21:39] <mvo_> Arby: its not ideal currently but there is no reliable way to tell is there is a network currently (hopefully network-manager will provide one in the future)
[21:39] <mvo_> but its definitely something that should get fixed
[21:40] <Arby> mvo_: ok, I might test a dvd-via-proxy update tomorrow
[21:40] <Arby> it's a bit of a corner case but 216907 implies it does happen
[21:41]  * mvo_ nods
[21:43] <Arby> mvo_: last question I promise :) , is deb file://path/to/dvd.iso a valid entry in sources.list? just to save dvd's
[21:44] <mvo_> Arby: most likely not, you could mount the iso there (using -o loop) I guess, but there is apt-cdrom add for this :)
[21:45] <Arby> fair enough
[23:08] <bdmurray> james_w: ping
[23:09] <james_w> hi bdmurray
[23:09] <bdmurray> I used 'bzr revert -r 87' and then want to get back up to date is 'bzr revert -r 88' the right way to do that?
[23:10] <james_w> I think so
[23:10] <james_w> plain "bzr revert" should do it as well I think
[23:11] <bdmurray> I tried a 'bzr pull' and that didn't work which makes sense but isn't intuitive to me at least
[23:18] <kees> james_w: "bzr revert" alone will bring you all the way back to "now"
[23:18] <kees> (I do this for generating CVE stats)
[23:19] <james_w> thanks kees
[23:32] <blueyed> kees, james_w: be careful, it deletes files that have been added (or rather backs them up as "*~X~", but symlinks get removed)
[23:42] <bdmurray> james_w: I'm looking at bug 219209 and I'm not certain that is supposed to work.  Did it ever?
[23:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219209 in oem-config "United States keymap suggested for United Kingdom" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219209
[23:44] <secretlondon> the one in debian installer *has* marked for uk keyboards
[23:44] <secretlondon> although it didn't in previous releases
[23:44] <secretlondon> -marked +worked
[23:44] <secretlondon> it asks you for the position of @ and " I think
[23:45] <bdmurray> james_w's bug is really about ubiquity I think since that is what comes about after running oem-config-prepare
[23:46] <secretlondon> ah okay, I thought oem was done on the alt cd
[23:48] <bdmurray> Hmm, that's interesting I think it changed
[23:50] <bdmurray> No matter what I pick it defaults to a US layout


[00:05] <PhireB0mb3r> Neosano: Thank you. I have it all setup. It's all purdy now.
[00:07] <Neosano> PhireB0mb3r, I'm glad it worked for you ;)
[00:33] <onewey> Updated from Natty Narwhal to Oneiric Ocelot and closing the lid wouldn't suspend the machine. Ran xfce4-power-manager-settings to re-enable those options. Works well now.
[00:38]  * wxl testing out a new term on the phone
[01:40] <dustman> hi
[01:41] <dustman> I got strange mouse behavior: cursor 'jumps' around once in awhile, mostly when a new program starts, even when it happens at another workspace
[01:41] <dustman> but sometimes I can't see any reasons for such behavior
[01:42] <dustman> plus mouse can cede to respond to clicks while responding to movement
[01:43] <dustman> is it something inherent to lubuntu, openbox or hardware?
[01:44] <dustman> yeah, ps/2 mouse would function strangely once in awhile by simply refusing to respond, and usb mouse should be plugged/unplugged
[01:45] <dustman> latter behavior was visible in ubuntu 11.10 as well
[01:45] <dustman> now it's Lubuntu 11.10 fresh install + updates
[01:48] <phillw> dustman: is it a traditional rodent (with a ball in) or an optical rodent?
[01:48] <dustman> optical
[01:49] <dustman> mouse mat is quite uneven, especially with cats using it as a bed
[01:50] <phillw> around the raised area on the base, where the LED is, ensure there is not a build up of 'gunk' (you know, that semi sticky goo that is dust), also check the rat-mat is also clean. I was suprised at just how much muck can affect an optical mouse!
[01:51] <phillw> maybe buy the cats a bed? I know we call them rat-mats... but cat-mats?
[01:52] <dustman> sure, they got couple already
[01:52] <dustman> just follow me everywhere
[01:52] <dustman> and just checked, LEDs are completely clean
[01:54] <dustman> I had this jumping behaviour on other systems when using reflecting surfaces with an optical mouse, but here is bit different and unexpected
[01:54] <dustman> plus it's rather new
[03:34] <jmichaelx> so, i know opinions here will be biased, but are there people here who would recommend (or are happy with) lubuntu as a netbook OS?
[03:37] <jmichaelx> i am wanting to re-do my dell mini 9, which is still running lucid UNR
[04:17] <holstein> jmichaelx: you can try it live
[04:17] <holstein> i find it light and elegant
[04:17] <jmichaelx> holstein: tyvm for your input :)
[04:17] <holstein> the UI wont be for everyone of course, but lubuntu is built on ubuntu, so you can switch to any of the other variants easy
[04:35] <PhireB0mb3r> I'm late to this, but I prefer Lubuntu over UNR. It feels so much smoother on my Acer Aspire One.
[04:36] <PhireB0mb3r> jmichaelx: you don't have to 're-do' it. Install the lubuntu packages and set LXDE as your default wm. That's what I did on my AAO.
[04:37] <jmichaelx> PhireB0mb3r: well, i am redoing due to the fact that i have acquired a new SSD, and also due to wanting to move to oneiric
[04:37] <holstein> ubuntu netbook remix is dead AFAIK
[04:38] <jmichaelx> yes, i stayed with UNR out of hatred for unity
[04:38] <PhireB0mb3r> jmichaelx: Ah. I like it and a co-worker told me about it. I never knew about LXDE or Lubuntu till he told me a few months ago. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have been enjoying it for my netbook OS.
[04:39] <jmichaelx> PhireB0mb3r: ty, i think it's what i am going to go with
[04:39] <holstein> i ran full ubuntu on my netbook.. with compiz ;)
[04:39] <holstein> that was an EEE900 too... i find lubuntu to be peppy on it now though
[04:40] <PhireB0mb3r> I first ran Kubuntu + compiz, then went to UNR, and now on Lubuntu.
[04:45] <PhireB0mb3r> jmichaelx: How big is your SSD?
[04:45] <jmichaelx> PhireB0mb3r: the original is 8GB, i am going to be installing a (used) 16GB SSD
[04:46] <jmichaelx> maybe i won't even do it... i bought another mini 9 on craiglist, intending to re-sell it. i thought i might first swap SSDs.
[04:47] <jmichaelx> the mini 9 i just bought had win7 home premium installed on it, for deities' sakes
[04:49] <PhireB0mb3r> I bought a nettop and left the Win7 OS on there, but dual-boot to Kubuntu 11.10
[04:50] <PhireB0mb3r> Which reminds me. I've not used it in a very long, long time. I should do something with it.
[04:50] <jmichaelx> PhireB0mb3r: i have 2 nettops, one home-made and the other a jetway.... love them both. they are my main PCs
[04:50] <PhireB0mb3r> I have it connected in my room to my TV.
[04:50] <jmichaelx> both running kubuntu
[04:51] <PhireB0mb3r> 2 desktops (kubuntu), 1 home server (ubuntu), 2 laptops (kubuntu), 1 nettop (kubuntu), 1 netbook (lubuntu)
[04:52] <PhireB0mb3r> I was recently gifted another laptop, which may need a new mobo, so that will add to the mix.
[04:54] <jmichaelx> i tend to accumulate computers
[04:54] <jmichaelx> well, 'tend' is an understatement
[04:56] <PhireB0mb3r> hahaha
[04:56] <PhireB0mb3r> jmichaelx: Still have those old computers?
[04:56]  * jmichaelx has LOTS of old computers
[05:09] <OccTorFoodies> hello!
[05:09] <OccTorFoodies> has anyone installed lubuntu to a USB drive?
[05:10] <OccTorFoodies> i am wondering how to get grub boot loader on my USB key? doing it thru the install no workie
[05:10] <phiscribe> whats that thing called, netbootin or something
[05:11] <phiscribe> unetbooting
[05:11] <phiscribe> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[05:12] <phiscribe> that was for u OccTorFoodies
[05:12] <OccTorFoodies> ty reading now
[05:14] <phiscribe> what im not sure if that can do is make a persistant usb install, it makes a live usb, like a live cd
[05:15] <OccTorFoodies> yes.. im a little bit past that... im trying to load grub onto the USB phiscribe ... any idea how to do that?
[05:15] <OccTorFoodies> everything else in install worked
[05:15] <OccTorFoodies> but could not write grub to the stick...
[05:15] <phiscribe> what was the error
[05:16] <OccTorFoodies> "fatal" when i tried to tell it "/dev/sbd1"
[05:16] <OccTorFoodies> which was the right drivepath for the stick
[05:18] <phiscribe> whwats fdisk -l look like
[05:18] <OccTorFoodies> 3 partisiotns
[05:18] <OccTorFoodies> 1 ext2 mounted at "/"
[05:19] <OccTorFoodies> 2 ext4 mounted at /home
[05:19] <OccTorFoodies> 3 swap
[05:19] <OccTorFoodies> 3gb/3gb/1.7gb
[05:23] <phiscribe> are you wanting grub in the master boot record?
[05:24] <phiscribe> im so rusty in grub i sqeeke, but for the mbr, it seems you want to use the device /sbd not the partition /sbd1
[05:28] <OccTorFoodies> no, i dont want grub on the MBR of HDD, i want grub on USB stick
[05:30] <phiscribe> mbr of the usb stickj
[05:31] <phiscribe> or exernal drive
[05:31] <OccTorFoodies> well i tried /dev/sbd as well ?
[05:31] <phiscribe> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/grub_intro
[06:05] <lala_> hello, i want to make up a fast realtime audio machine - is there a realtime low latency kernel for lubuntu?
[06:07] <phiscribe> lemme think
[06:10] <phiscribe> ive not ran into one for lubunut, ubuntu yes
[06:10] <phiscribe> probably have to complie it
[06:11] <phiscribe> try apt-cache search linux-rt
[06:11] <phiscribe> or think about ubuntu studio versions
[06:12] <phiscribe> thats for lala_ that is
[06:12] <lala_> merci
[06:12] <lala_> i will try
[18:08] <Na_Klar> how much disk space takes a fresh lubuntu 11.10 installation?
[18:08] <Na_Klar> ca.
[18:08] <wxl> i think you can get away with 4gb
[18:08] <xsaidx> Na_Klar: not sure but less then 9GB
[18:08] <xsaidx> :D
[18:09] <wxl> ooh  1gb
[18:09] <wxl> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/put-lubuntu-on-a-flash-drive-using-windows/
[18:09] <Na_Klar> okay, that's a guideline value ... thanks
[18:09] <wxl> well i guess 2gb realisticallyo
[18:10] <wxl> that 1gb assumes no persistence which if you're talking about a hd install isn't really practical
[18:10] <xsaidx> wxl: i cant send some files to my site ikeep getting errors any idea why
[18:10] <xsaidx> wxl: and just those files while ican send other
[18:10] <xsaidx> others*
[18:11] <wxl> no idea
[18:11] <wxl> not clear enough xsaidx
[18:12] <xsaidx> wxl: i wan to send some files with ftp client ( filezilla) and for only these files i keep gettin delay expired , transfer failed while if i try any other file it ll go fast
[18:13] <dustman> Na_Klar: there's minimal install option as well
[18:14] <wxl> xsaidx: so is it a size limit you're hitting? i would say you need to look at client/server settings and not at lubuntu for your problem.
[18:14] <wxl> …unless you can rule everything else out
[18:15] <xsaidx> wxl: yeh i kno its lubuntu i jsut wanna ask some experiment people on here : ]
[18:15] <wxl> xsaidx: is this YOUR server?
[18:16] <xsaidx> wxl: no its mutual
[18:16] <wxl> what does that mean?
[18:17] <xsaidx> it means im jsut hosted on machine where other sites are installed
[18:17] <wxl> so you have no control over the ftp server settings?
[18:17] <xsaidx> wxl: well virtual host thats what companies use to provide such hostin
[18:17] <xsaidx> wxl: yeh
[18:18] <wxl> xsaidx: http://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Network_Configuration#Timeouts_on_large_files
[18:18] <wxl> we need to teach you how to use google
[18:18] <xsaidx> wxl: haha no you seem didnt get my issue im havin problem with file A while i can easily send file B
[18:19] <wxl> that is exactly what that is about
[18:19] <wxl> some files work, others don't
[18:20] <xsaidx> wxl: and there no big size in all of em ; ]
[18:20] <wxl> xsaidx: try #filezilla
[18:20] <xsaidx> wxl: ok thanks ; ]
[21:22] <aladds> how do i launch the installer from the alternate install cd? I'm used to it starting itself
[21:23] <aladds> it just drops me to a shell
[21:25] <bioterror> should launch
[21:25] <aladds> i tried it twice
[21:25] <aladds> i can switch virtual consoles etc.
[21:25] <aladds> but i can't find the installer on any of them
[21:26] <aladds> oh, never mind. I see what I did wrong
[21:27] <aladds> (bios wasn't detecting my usb keyboard so i was waiting for the timeout. I just dug out a ps/2 keyboard and it turns out that the default option isn't install)
[22:37] <Blackmoon> hi i've got this error message in dmesg : `init: lxdm main process  terminated with status 1`
[22:41] <Blackmoon> no ones?
[22:49] <Unit193> I didn't see a question, but this has the same error in it if you wanted me to randomly guess http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860720
[23:01] <Blackmoon> the question is how can i remove this error and start lxdm
[23:02] <Unit193> Is this a LiveCD, install? What version? Did it work before?
[23:09] <Unit193> Please see Bug #854837 and try typing    startlubuntu


[10:13]  * mpt throws a tumbleweed at snwh
[12:35] <mpt> Can anyone sell me a bucketful of ideas? I've run out.
[12:40] <snwh> mpt, ideas for?
[12:41] <mpt> snwh, for all intents and purposes. Just a kilogram would do.
[12:42] <snwh> a toaster that has bluetooth/wifi so it'll notify your cell when your toast is done
[13:18] <mpt> Lovely.
[13:19] <mpt> snwh, could also be implemented as a smoke detector in your phone.
[15:00] <xnox> mpt I have quad-color ubuntu branded pens. Do you have one already? cause I got some for you =)
[15:13] <mpt> xnox, Ubuntu-branded?? Awesome. I haven't seen those.
[15:14] <xnox> mpt: I shall be in the office sometime soon then =)


[11:19] <phillipcc> hi am having trouble with mythfilldatabase contacted my tech who said to run the following but i am unable to get any of the commands 5to work any suggestions at all   #commands start after this line
[11:19] <phillipcc> eval `grep '^DB[a-zA-Z]*=' /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt `
[11:19] <phillipcc> mysqlcheck --auto-repair -e -h $DBHostName -p$DBPassword -u $DBUserName -v
[11:19] <phillipcc> $DBName
[11:19] <phillipcc>  #commands finish before this line
[11:19] <phillipcc>  If you see any rows of output that DON'T look like
[11:19] <phillipcc>  mythconverg.storagegroup OK
[11:19] <phillipcc>  mythconverg.tvchain OK
[11:19] <phillipcc>  mythconverg.tvosdmenu O
[11:34] <Pwen> could anyone help me troubleshoot my lcd, please?
[16:06] <tgm4883> Pwen, you would get more help if you stated the issue
[17:52] <Gibby> tgm4883: PING
[18:04] <tgm4883> Gibby, pong
[18:05] <Gibby> tgm4883, that stupid patch is giving me issues again however I am in middle of an ASR install
[18:17] <tgm4883> Gibby, error messages?
[18:17] <Gibby> none, i build with debuild it makes the deb, i add the deb, it installs fine but still have the color issues the patch was supposed to fix
[18:19] <tgm4883> Gibby, so either the patch didn't apply, or something was changed elsewhere that now the patch doesn't fix
[18:20] <tgm4883> you could post the build log and I could take a look
[18:20] <Gibby> ok when i get sometime i will on the phone with oracle for the next 3 or 4 hours


[16:52] <alex_mayorga> Is there a Chromium on Ubuntu channel anywhere?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> alex_mayorga, no there isn't
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> there is a mozilla channel though ;)
[17:49] <alex_mayorga> chrisccoulson: no Chromium PPA for precise yet?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> alex_mayorga, no. in fact, we're completely out of disk space on the machine we normally run the builds from
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> so, none for any release at the moment
[17:50] <micahg> ah, that's the issue
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i had IS ping me a few days ago asking me to clear my homedir out on chinstrap
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i was the highest user, with all of the chromium and mozilla branches ;)
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> something like 50GB or so
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> so, i've had to sacrifice one for now, and we certainly can't be pulling 10's of GB of chromium SVN daily, so we need to wait for more disk space
[17:56] <alex_mayorga> chrisccoulson: I see
[17:57] <alex_mayorga> I don't really care that much for Chromium, might as well just remove the PPA
[18:57] <cousin_luigi> chrisccoulson: I read the latest entry on your blog: how will the testing occur now?
[19:58] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> hi FernandoMiguel!
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> cold
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> very very cold chrisccoulson
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> sorry, you always come online in here when there's either nobody around or everyone is busy ;)
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> lousy weather
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[20:01] <FernandoMiguel> chrisccoulson: np
[20:01] <FernandoMiguel> it's whenever I can :)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> heh


[21:38] <pmjdebruijn> hi
[21:42] <pmjdebruijn> I bought some music via Ubuntu One Music Shop some time ago
[21:42] <pmjdebruijn> the weird thing is
[21:43] <pmjdebruijn> now I have 1 track twice
[21:43] <pmjdebruijn> and I'm missing another one
[21:43] <pmjdebruijn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrskyntuoja "Voiman vartijat"
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> it's just the sync that's failing
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> the file is still on my account, just checked the webbased interface
[21:47] <pmjdebruijn> so I'm wondering whether it's failed because of the special characters
[21:48] <pmjdebruijn> ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/Teräsbetoni/Myrskyntuoja/Voiman vartijat.mp3


[01:23] <nixnine> I know this is for xubuntu, but the lubuntu community doesn't seem to have any ideas or suggestions.  I have installed 15.04 but do not have any sound.  Anyone help with this?
[01:29] <nixnine> ok.  Thanks.
[03:39] <firestorm942> has anyone had gfx tears after login?
[10:46] <sim642> udisks is being acting weird for me, I have a dead mount process for an SD card which is not connected anymore and that's preventing me from using it again
[10:47] <sim642> I have no idea how to tell udisks and whatnot that the device doesn't exist anymore
[10:48] <sim642> udisksctl still lists the device like it is attached
[10:48] <sim642> but not mounted
[17:05] <holster> Hello. I am using the latest LTS release of Ubuntu, but I want to change to Xubuntu since I do not really like the Unity desktop environment since it is a bit awkward and slow. However, I had a rather major issue after installing Ubuntu and that was wifi disconnecting after about ten minutes of usage. This was fixed with downloading and installing better drivers for my wireless card. Would it be necessary to do that after installing
[17:06] <holster> Or is it not certain that would happen? Thanks in advance for any replies.
[21:47] <guest002189> What is the username/password for the 15.04 live session?
[23:02] <xubuntu81w> hi
[23:02] <knome> hello
[23:02] <xubuntu81w> please help me how can i establish wifi connection on my xubuntu?
[23:03] <xubuntu81w> hey
[23:03] <knome> xubuntu81w, we are hearing you; please wait patiently
[23:07] <xubuntu81w> how long do you want me to wait?
[23:07] <xangua> !ask
[23:07] <knome> considering we are all volunteers, i have no estimation
[23:09] <xubuntu81w> I can't connect to wifi i connected to wired connection, maybe i don't have some drivers?
[23:19] <xubuntu70w> Hi ! I have an issue whern installing xubuntu. I have a pc with windows 8.1 and ubuntu. when I try to install xubuntu and choose something else for creating partitions, the error message is: identical mount points for 2 systems...
[23:19] <xubuntu70w> any idea?
[23:20] <knome> so, what exactly are you trying to do with the partitioning?
[23:21] <xubuntu70w> I try to install xubuntu alongside windows and ubuntu and try to set up the size for the partitions / and /home...
[23:22] <knome> it sounds like you are trying to use the ubuntu partitions for the xubuntu installation
[23:22] <xubuntu70w> what I don't knome...
[23:23] <xubuntu70w> wheinstalling ubuntu I didnt the same.... i chjhose something else and set up my partitions as I wanted... and did the same for xubuntu..
[23:23] <knome> ok, since you have ubuntu installed, are you sure the installer isn't trying to automatically mount the ubuntu partitions for you?
[23:24] <knome> hence the message; the installer likely thinks you are trying to mount two / or /home partitions
[23:24] <xubuntu70w> for ubuntu I have sda6 sda7 and sda 8 for /  /home and swap... and for xubuntu I have sda9 sda10 sda11 for /  /home and swap
[23:24] <knome> and finally, why don't you just install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage in ubuntu?
[23:24] <xubuntu70w> I dont want.
[23:25] <xubuntu70w> because it installs other programs
[23:25] <xubuntu70w> and i will like to try xubuntu in full scope
[23:28] <xangua> then just install xfce or xfce-core
[23:29] <knome> xubuntu-core you mean, but it's not available on all releases.
[23:30] <xubuntu70w> yes I could... but if I stay with my solution... any idea why it doesnt work?
[23:30] <knome> xubuntu70w, you are trying to mount two file systems/partitions to the same mount point, either automatically or manually
[23:32] <xubuntu70w> how is it possible if for ubuntu I have sda6 / sda7 /home sda8 swap and for xubuntu I have sda9 / sda10 /home and sda11 swap??
[23:33] <knome> i don't know, but that's what the installer is telling.
[23:34] <xubuntu70w> if I renamed sda9 / in /1 for example would it solve the issue??
[23:34] <xubuntu70w> or xubuntu wouldnt install under the root?
[23:36] <knome> you need a / partition
[23:36] <xubuntu70w> ok
[23:38] <xubuntu70w> the exact message is: identical mount points for 2 file systems.... 2 file systems are assigned the same mount point (/):SCS11 (0.0.0), partition#6 (sda) and SCS11 (0.0.0) partition #9 (sda)
[23:39] <knome> there you go; you are trying to mount sda6 and sda9 to /
[23:39] <xubuntu70w> yes thats want I want to do.... but 1 for ubuntu and 1 for xubuntu...
[23:40] <knome> yes, but you are trying to mount both partitions to / in your xubuntu installation
[23:40] <knome> that's what the installer is trying to tell you
[23:40] <xubuntu70w> ok
[23:40] <knome> make sure the sda6/sda7 partitions aren't mounted at all for xubuntu
[23:42] <xubuntu70w> ok
[23:42] <xubuntu70w> I understand what you say but I dont see how it is possible..
[23:43] <xubuntu70w> because I take the free space and use it to create my partitions...
[23:44] <knome> xubuntu70w, it is likely the installer recognises those partitions and marks them to be mounted automatically
[23:45] <xubuntu70w> thanks anyway for the answers...
[23:47] <xubuntu70w> and your time..
[23:54] <xubuntu70w> i have another question... how to mount the same swap partition for 2 distros??
[23:56] <xubuntu70w> or the same /home partition for 2 distros??


[00:02] <jrwren> lol
[14:35] <rick_h> morning
[14:38] <greg-g> morn
[14:39] <rick_h> early for you isn't it greg-g ? rough night?
[14:57] <cmaloney> morning
[16:03] <jrwren> anyone available to repro an ubuntu bug with me? 17.10 GNU Find has a bug that wasn't there in previous versions.  use this `-printf "%T+ %p\n"` with find and it will overflow and core dump.
[16:14] <rick_h> wow, 10 and 12GB disks https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q3-2017/
[16:14] <jrwren> its pretty terrible:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/1730696
[16:35] <jrwren> plz upvote ^
[16:36]  * rick_h says it affects me
[16:36] <jrwren> yay!
[16:37] <rick_h> though I can't recall the last time I used find heh
[16:37] <cmaloney> That's just sad.
[16:38] <jrwren> rick is all cloud now!
[16:38] <jrwren> no need for coreutils.
[16:38] <rick_h> no, I think I just grep **/*.py and such
[16:38] <rick_h> never really been a big find user
[16:38] <jrwren> ah, its a great tool to know. much different than ls.
[16:39] <rick_h> yea, the few times I've used it I think I had to google around for various "find files > 1mb not thouched in last 200 days" or the like
[16:39] <rick_h> just not often I have a call for that type of work
[16:39] <jrwren> hahaaha, yup.
[16:39] <cmaloney> Added that it affects me as well
[16:39] <jrwren> right.
[16:39] <jrwren> YAY!  thanks!
[16:39] <cmaloney> np
[16:40] <cmaloney> (even tough I had to create a LXC container for 17.10 because I'm still on 14.04. :)
[16:40] <jrwren> honestly, my cloud comment was 1/2 serious. When things are in containers you don't have those kind of system admin tasks anymore.
[16:40] <jrwren> cmaloney: whoa! old school!
[16:40] <jrwren> cmaloney: thanks for creating the container.
[16:40] <cmaloney> np. It's quick. ;)
[16:40] <cmaloney> and now it's gone. :)
[16:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, sysadmin under cloud tends to be "There's a problem with the container. Just shoot it in the head and build another one"
[16:47] <jrwren> yup and don't write services that write files because the local filesystem will get destroyed and recreated by that container manager system at any time
[16:49] <cmaloney> Pretty much
[17:10] <greg-g> rick_h: well, babies and DST and all :)
[17:10] <rick_h> greg-g: heh true true
[17:11] <rick_h> My wife was fussing at the dog "it's not time for dinner!" and had to remind her "3 days ago it was..."
[17:36] <cmaloney> heh
[17:36] <cmaloney> Pixel has been gradually making the switch
[17:40] <rick_h> heh, always fun for animals to remind us we people are strange and always forcing order on top of things where it doesn't belong


[21:52] <stgraber> cjwatson: if you're still around. Do you expect anything bad to happen if I turn on CONFIG_PING and CONFIG_PING6 in busybox-initramfs? I'm mostly interested in having ping6 really as ping is currently provided by something else in our installer though I guess it'd make sense to turn both on if I do that.
[22:14] <infinity> stgraber: How much does busybox grow if you do that?
[22:15] <stgraber> infinity: that's the next thing I need to check, I wouldn't expect a huge growth for just ping+ping6 but that's definitely on the list
[22:16] <infinity> stgraber: Also, what provides ping, and can we drop it if busybox provides it?
[22:17] <infinity> stgraber: Mostly, though, I suspect this is less of a concern for the installer specifically, and more of a concern for initrds growing in general.
[22:17] <infinity> (A potential concern for the installer if busybox ping doesn't provide the same interface as the other one being used, and we still need two)
[22:17] <infinity> stgraber: Third option, can whatever's providing ping also provide ping6, and we're just not doing so in the current udeb?
[22:19] <infinity> (From a "not related to the intaller" POV, mind you, I suspect people with NFS roots and the like might find ping/ping6 in busybox-initramfs handy as a diagnostic tool)
[22:41] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, I still need to figure out exactly what provides ping at the moment, its output is quite different "blah is alive!" and it returns instantly so I'm guessing having a "real" ping may break things in the installer
[22:42] <stgraber> having ping/ping6 would definitely be useful in the initrd, also for LTSP as debugging things with busybox-initramfs is kind of tricky (IIRC the most useful thing in there is netcat)
[22:43] <stgraber> anyway, I guess I'll just do a local build with the extra options to check the size and will then build a custom installer initrd to see if the installer explodes because of it
[22:49] <cjwatson> stgraber: sounds generally OK I guess; the installer doesn't care what's in busybox-initramfs, busybox-udeb is a separate build
[22:49] <cjwatson> and a separate config
[22:50] <cjwatson> maybe first decide whether you're talking about the initramfs or the installer :)
[23:13] <stgraber> ah, I assumed the installer was using the initramfs build, looks like I was wrong. I was mostly interested in the installer, so these changes would be for initramfs-udeb then :)
[23:15] <cjwatson> *busybox-udeb, I guess
[23:16] <stgraber> right ;)
[23:16] <cjwatson> debian/config/pkg/udeb:783:CONFIG_PING=y
[23:17] <cjwatson> looks like busybox already provides that then; turning on PING6 too seems like a no-brainer, go ahead
[23:17] <cjwatson> see 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu8
[23:18] <stgraber> yeah, guess it helps looking at the right config file ;) turning PING6 on then and uploading that. I assume you're not too concerned about the size difference for the udeb?
[23:18] <cjwatson> not desperately
[23:18] <cjwatson> I mean, I care a little bit, but ping6 shouldn't be huge
[23:19] <cjwatson> in fact it looks like it shares code with ping
[23:20] <cjwatson> so yeah, doit
[23:22] <stgraber> good, uploaded
[23:27] <stgraber> ok and with that, calling it a week, time to pack and change side of the atlantic ocean
[23:36] <cjwatson> temporary or permanent?  (I think you did tell me, I just forgot)


[02:48] <ron_o> wtf... every single font is incredibly off after upgrading to lucid?
[02:48] <ron_o> I mean, what the hell?
[02:48] <ron_o> opera is huge, xchat is very small..
[02:48] <ron_o> my desktop was very tiny but now it's too huge to read?
[02:50] <ron_o> gawd, I guess I must reinstall everything from scratch no matter what.
[02:51] <ron_o> never mess with any kind of normal like function that satifies my own needs...
[02:51] <ron_o> frick, I'm so pissed off...
[02:52] <ron_o> maybe there should be a 'reset to normal mode' button.
[02:56] <Mahmoud> how to change US icon?
[02:57] <Mahmoud> the one used in keymap layout settings
[03:16] <strats> hi, anyone can point me to some reading about how to customize xfce?
[03:24] <strats> exit
[04:59] <nicklawrence> Hello.
[07:25] <ubiman> bazhang hi
[07:25] <bazhang> ubiman, hi
[07:25] <ubiman> cna i join here
[07:25] <bazhang> ubiman, yes
[07:25] <ubiman> bazhang :can i chat here
[07:26] <bazhang> ubiman, in #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic the main channels are for support NOT chat
[07:27] <ubiman> :bazhangok only support
[07:27] <ubiman> here nobody to ask questions
[07:27] <ubiman> can i join in #ubuntu
[07:27] <ubiman> please
[07:28] <bazhang> ubiman, no. and dont ask again
[07:28] <ubiman> ok iwil keep quit
[07:52] <Yoeschua> bazhang bruder ola
[07:52] <Yoeschua> TheSheep bruder beeee
[07:52] <Yoeschua> ikonia bruder kisss
[08:00] <Yoeschua> where is da fat and ugly holy shit linuks penguin now? They called TUKS...
[08:00] <Yoeschua> HeaWy TrOLLz AtTak WarNiN'
[08:00] <Yoeschua> banzaiii
[08:26] <ammini> Hey all, I'm using Xubuntu 10.4. I don't seem to have the panels on the top and bottom of the desktop, I suppose I might've unknowingly deleted it. How'd I add it back?
[08:26] <bazhang> !panels
[08:27] <ammini> bazhang++ Excellent.
[08:27] <bazhang> ammini, welcome
[08:28] <ammini> This is my fiancee's pc with 512M RAM. I'm new to XUbuntu/XFCE/Thunar. I suppose this is the lightweight DE she'd run in this config, right?
[08:29] <bazhang> or lubuntu
[08:29] <bazhang> you can try by installing lubuntu-desktop and see
[08:30] <ammini> Ok, I'll try it bazhang. Thanks again. Appreciate your help. Byes and good day ahead.
[10:20] <ben72> hi! I installed xubuntu on a friends old machine and one strange thing is that it automounts dvd:s but not cd:s!
[10:22] <Sysi> what kind of dvd?
[10:29] <ben72> Sysi, not sure. I think it's a NEC or samsung. it's not that old
[11:09] <Sysi> ben72: i mean data dvd or movie
[11:19] <ben72> sysi, movie dvd
[11:25] <ben72> Sysi, there were no lines in fstab for the cd drives (there is one cd and one dvd) so I added them now and trying to restart..
[12:14] <Sysi> !dvd | ben72
[12:17] <buzz_> Hi, does anyone know about Xubuntu's weird bootsplash problem ... actually Ubuntu has it too.
[12:18] <Sysi> what's it like?
[12:19] <buzz_> The Xubuntu logo has odd colored auras around it at start and shutdown ...
[12:19] <ben72> ubottu, there were no entries in fstab for the cd/dvd-drives. I tried adding them manually but it didn't automount after that either. now I added two icons for mounting manually running a script for it. and it does work but I hope I can get them to automount in the future..
[12:20] <buzz_> This is a new development. I see it on ThinkPad T41 & Dell L800 laptops. Was some change made to video drivers?
[12:20] <Sysi> buzz_: propietary drivers?
[12:20] <Sysi> ben72: i think it's not needed
[12:21] <ben72> Sysi, what's not needed?
[12:21] <buzz_> I have not installed any special drivers. Could you suggest what I should look into?
[12:21] <Sysi> line for cd drive in fstab
[12:22] <ben72> Sysi, ok I have it in ubuntu so I tried it on the xubuntu as well..
[12:22] <Sysi> worth a tru ofc
[12:23] <buzz_> Sysi, the odd looking logos may seem not important. But they are kind of jarring -- and I like to show Linux to others. It is embarrassing.
[12:23] <Sysi> *try
[12:23] <ben72> Sysi, nothing happens when I insert a data cd or music cd. and nothing is mounted under /media
[12:23] <ben72> Sysi, but when I mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 I can mount it..
[12:24] <Sysi> oh well i misread things earlier, adding that line propably helps
[12:41] <ben72> Sysi, strange that xubuntu didn't add it automagically like ubuntu does.. no it didn't help I'll have to debug it later. I'm just connected remotely to it sometimes when helping my friend..
[12:41] <Sysi> ben72: xubuntu and ubuntu are exactly the same behind GUI
[12:42] <ben72> yes I guess so, I tried ubuntu first but it was too slow on my friends computer with only 256Mb ram! =)
[13:30] <nirvana> hi, i can't get my sound drivers to work
[13:38] <slow-motion> hi
[13:38] <siddhion> hi
[14:42] <nexus6__> my screen turns off few times. but i turned screensaver off. any ideas?
[14:43] <Sysi> settings → xfce4 power manager, or click battery icon in panel
[14:48] <euphorial> I have used ubuntu and kubuntu for a long time now, and I have been curious about xubuntu. The about just says some general stuff about it, but comparable to the statements ubuntu and kubuntu have written about themselves. Can someone please tell me what the major advantage to having xubuntu would be, or why someone would choose it over u/kubuntu?
[14:49] <Sysi> memory usage and some features
[14:49] <Sysi> try and see :)
[14:50] <euphorial> I do want to try, but would like to get a couple examples of features. The current kubuntu installation I am using has been tweaked and customized out the wahoo, I don't really want to have to do it again. (sound problems, video, webcam issues)...
[14:51] <euphorial> Can you take a minute and possibly give me 1-3 features it may offer that would appeal to a general linux user?
[14:51] <euphorial> (please) :)
[14:53] <Sysi> well, xubuntu has simple menus for configuring
[14:53] <Sysi> you can have nice opacities and what i like, workspace switches
[14:54] <Sysi> gnome apps work well with xfce too
[14:54] <Sysi> you know you don't neet to reinstall entire *buntu to try other DE
[14:55] <Sysi> windowmanager settings are also great, keycontrols and buttons shown in panel
[15:00] <euphorial> ohh nice
[15:01] <euphorial> So would I just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and after apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[15:01] <euphorial> (with all my settings saved)?
[15:02] <Sysi> !purexfce | if you want
[15:02] <Sysi> settings aren't removed with that
[15:03] <Sysi> you don't need to remove kde to test xubuntu, just choose it on login
[15:04] <euphorial> ok so basically it will be like now, I have both gnome and kde (ubuntu and kubuntu), except this time I can choose from all three? or am I mistaken?
[15:07] <Sysi> that
[15:27] <kim0> Hi folks .. I want to install a "light-weight" xfce desktop (i.e. not the full xubuntu) which pkg do I install ?
[15:29] <Sysi> xfce4 and xfce4-goodies
[15:31] <kim0> Sysi: thanks .. doing it
[15:32] <kim0> ubuntu's gnome is slow as molases for some reason
[15:32] <Sysi> how much ram, desktop effects turned off?
[15:33] <kim0> 4G .. yes .. effects off
[15:33] <kim0> still extremely slow
[15:33] <kim0> It's because of some theme they're using
[15:34] <kim0> gnome-settings-deamon had crashed .. the theme went back to something grey-only and very ugly ..
[15:34] <kim0> but it was very fast as well
[15:34] <kim0> unfortunately I dont know how it keep it grey/fast ..
[15:34] <kim0> so I'm dropping all of it anyway.. I hope xfce will be prestine
[15:53] <strog_> hello people
[15:54] <knome> !hi | Guest11834
[15:54] <Guest11834> i'm new to xubuntu and just installed it, made some  updates and now the taskbar is gone and the systembar at the top of the screen is cone also
[15:54] <Guest11834> *gone
[15:54] <knome> !panels | Guest11834
[15:56] <Guest11834> ok thanks
[17:00] <nexus6__> heck my xubuntu is lagging and i dont know why. it looks like sometimes it has an increadible leak
[17:01] <th0r> nexus6__: are you running a system stack like gkrellm to keep an eye on resources?
[17:08] <th0r> I guess that was a "No"
[17:17] <nexus6__> i suppose not
[17:28] <nexus6__> what does it mean "the channel is logged" ?
[18:27] <mikehershey_> hello I'm having issues with my sound, I have no system sound at all. when I open the mixer i only have playback: dummy output (pulse audiomixer). Under applications->preferences there is no option to configure sound, any idea where i should begin?
[18:58] <Guest84152> hi guys i have an nvidia card in my system and i cannot find the nvidia-xconfig package
[18:58] <Guest84152> can someone hlep]
[18:58] <Guest84152> help
[20:31] <danboid> Why do I get sfx when I click stuff under fluxbox but not under GNOME? Its stopping me using my s/card for JACK so I'd like to know how to get rid (lucid 32)
[20:34] <Sysi> this is xfce channel, not fluxbox or gnome
[20:34] <danboid> same happens under icewm too
[20:34] <Sysi> we propably don't know
[20:34] <danboid> I've tried asking in #ubuntu a few times but no-one had any solutions
[20:35] <danboid> I've tried also the ALSA and pulseaudio tricks I know and I'm stumped now
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> danboid: there is a #fluxbox channel
[20:40] <danboid> well_laid_lawn, This is a buntu, not a fluxbox issue
[20:40] <well_laid_lawn> k
[20:47] <xxx_ooo_xxx> is there a simple way to change the window placement geometry for all windows?
[20:47] <xxx_ooo_xxx> lucid
[21:15] <xxx_ooo_xxx> anyone know how to catch all windows with devilspie?
[22:56] <xxx_ooo_xxx> how do I offset the center of my desktop 200px left?