[12:38] <Aleo> Hey belkinsa - Thank you for the help with the wiki pages.   Excellent as always.
[12:38] <belkinsa> Not a problem, sorry for changing up the format of the homepage.
[12:39] <belkinsa> Most team wiki page home pages are like that.
[12:39] <Aleo> I like it better now.   Thank you!
[12:39] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[12:43] <belkinsa> Aleo, you think we need a translation bit on the home page so people can translate our pages?
[12:43] <Aleo> sure, Japanese, Spanish?
[12:43] <belkinsa> Russian, French, German, Swiss are four others
[12:44] <Aleo> uuuuu, you win.
[12:44] <belkinsa> :d
[12:44] <Aleo> Actually, if we can discuss it for a while
[12:44] <belkinsa> No, I don't speak those.  I was just listing them.
[12:45] <Aleo> what would be the purpose of having any other language?
[12:45] <belkinsa> For the non-English speakers or the ones with weak English, so they can understand what we do.
[12:46] <Aleo> encourage participation.   Sounds good, but do you think it will lead to having different groups doing different things
[12:46] <Aleo> ?
[12:47] <belkinsa> I think not, but the main issue is within the mailing-list, most of us (right now) can speak English well and I think English is more accepted in mailing-lists in most of the teams here.
[12:48] <Aleo> I think it is a great idea, however we would need to keep a universal language for coordinating our efforts
[12:48] <belkinsa> +1
[12:48] <Aleo> let's try one or two language "branches"
[12:49] <Aleo> and see what happens
[12:49] <belkinsa> Sure.
[12:49] <Aleo> sounds like an experiment.  Let's call English language Control, haha
[12:50] <belkinsa> lol
[12:50] <belkinsa> Maybe Spanish is one of the branches.
[12:50] <Aleo> We would need to do different mailing list just in case it is too confusing.
[12:51] <belkinsa> We could but that might get too messy.
[12:51] <Aleo> yes, actually.   Translation in the same email?
[12:52] <belkinsa> Too messy too.
[12:52] <belkinsa> I need to look at other teams and hjow they do it.
[12:52] <belkinsa> how*
[12:52] <Aleo> Is there precedent of a group handling different languages at the same time?
[12:53] <Aleo> I would like to research that too.
[12:53] <belkinsa> I don't know
[12:54] <Aleo> let's try to find out.  Give me some time.   I will reply again before going to sleep today.
[12:54] <Aleo> About an hour.
[12:56] <belkinsa> Okay, I have other work to do and I still need to dress for the day
[13:38] <akshmakov> @belkinsa yes I am free, just got to work
[13:39] <akshmakov> I know that was last night, I leave this window open at work
[13:40] <belkinsa> You just can use belkinsa, not with @.  Ah, I see.  Our next meeting is next Friday at 1900 UTC.
[13:40] <belkinsa> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/06282014
[13:46] <belkinsa> Aleo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations
[13:50] <Aleo> Thank you, I have been looking at it.   I have not been able to find double language mailing list in any group yet.
[13:50] <Aleo> How do you make red letter, by the way.
[13:51] <belkinsa> You have x-chat, right?
[13:51] <Aleo> yes
[13:51] <belkinsa> It's highlighting when someone types in your name.
[13:52] <belkinsa> Easiest way to type in a name in the channel, if the person is there, is to type in the first letter of the name in lower case and press tab to get it.
[13:52] <Aleo> ah, so when I write your name it makes it red.   Even though I do not see it.
[13:52] <Aleo> ah, ok
[13:52] <Aleo> got it
[13:52] <belkinsa> Yup.
[13:52] <belkinsa> Aleo
[13:52] <Aleo> belkinsa,
[13:52] <Aleo> haha
[13:52] <belkinsa> Yup
[13:53] <Aleo> Ok, I will keep looking at the info.   I am asking at the ubuntu translator  irc channel
[13:54] <belkinsa> Alright, thanks for your help.  Should this be added to the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/06282014
[13:54] <belkinsa> You can add your own notes there if you want
[13:54] <belkinsa> Just don't forget to @SIG@ after the notes for an item
[13:57] <Aleo> what is @SIG@?
[13:58] <belkinsa> A moinmoin wiki function that allows you to timestamp something
[13:58] <belkinsa> Example, "This is comming from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22241/community-1406-ubuntu-dubuntu-scientists/UOS, I was think about roles like founder, deputies (if needed), go-to-people for program related questions (see here), ect. -- belkinsa 2014-06-20 08:37:14 "
[13:59] <belkinsa> That belkinsa 2014-06-20 08:37:14 is the stamp
[14:00] <Aleo> All of it is manually written?
[14:00] <belkinsa> No, it does it for you when you submit changes on a wiki page with @SIG@
[14:00] <belkinsa> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/FAQ#How_can_I_edit_a_wiki_page.3F
[14:02] <Aleo> Ok, I understood.  I will do as you say.   Thank you again
[14:02] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[14:03] <belkinsa> Oh, you may also add items to the agenda but you can just mark your name on them but I want notes to be @SIG@ 'd.
[14:20] <akshmakov> belkinsa is something like this useful?
[14:20] <akshmakov> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/akshmakov/sandbox/Packaging
[14:20] <akshmakov> I'm writing up some other topics I've been working with recently, OpenCL at the moment
[14:41] <belkinsa> akshmakov, you know there might be a page already like this one.
[14:45] <akshmakov> I found that the existing pages are either outdated or present innefficient solutions
[14:46] <belkinsa> Are you fixing them because it's useful to get them up to date.
[14:46] <akshmakov> Its mainly a reference for myself
[14:46] <akshmakov> They are not so much out of date, just scattered references on individual tools
[14:46] <belkinsa> I see, but make sure after you are done, you place the final copy on the wiki page of that program.
[14:46] <akshmakov> Out of date was in reference to OpenCL
[14:47] <akshmakov> The point of the page was how to package custom software, which can be very useful in a scientific setting
[14:47] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:48] <akshmakov> Especially when you build your own forks of libraries and want to use them on your system
[14:48] <belkinsa> We could point that final product to our resources page
[14:48] <akshmakov> It can take months to get changes to get approved upstream
[14:48] <akshmakov> and even longer before they get incorporated into debian/ubuntu
[14:48] <belkinsa> Indeed.
[14:48] <belkinsa> I think we have a debian guy in our team
[14:49] <akshmakov> I am indirectly involved with neurodebian myself
[14:49] <belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~ghisvail is the guy
[14:50] <akshmakov> Yes, he emailed me when I introduced myself on the email list asking for some details on my experience
[14:50] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[14:51] <akshmakov> The utility of explaining this to users is it can allow for quick testing and distribution of in house software
[14:51] <akshmakov> I write a script for my lab that lets them use equipment X
[14:51] <akshmakov> I can have it on the lab repo within a day
[14:51] <akshmakov> They can use it in the meantime while I deal with having it merged upstream
[14:52] <akshmakov> If there is even a project to merge it with
[14:52] <belkinsa> I see, I think bringing it up to the next meeting might be pointless at this time, maybe the next one?  We only have two developers (I think) and I think the rest of us are non-developers.
[14:53] <akshmakov> I briefly explained to ghisvail my philosophy on getting labs to use open source software
[14:53] <belkinsa> Wait...
[14:53]  * belkinsa faceplams
[14:53] <belkinsa> That's a goal of our team.
[14:53] <belkinsa> That could be brought up in the next one.
[14:53] <akshmakov> you have to make it easy, and for labs this means someone needs to take the torch in management
[14:55] <akshmakov> >I think the rest of us are non-developers
[14:55] <belkinsa> Good point.
[14:55] <belkinsa> And leadership is needed also.
[14:56] <akshmakov> Thats ok, the whole point is utilizing the technical users in a lab/group and make it as easy as possible to share their work with their colleagues
[14:56] <Aleo> akshmakov, I look forward to reading whatever you write and lear from it.
[14:56] <Aleo> belkinsa, I am going to sleep.  I could not find any team that handles double language in the mailing list.  I will write it as a discussion item for the next meeting.
[14:56] <belkinsa> Aleo, sure thing.
[14:57] <belkinsa> Slaapwel, Aleo.
[14:57] <belkinsa> Sleep well*
[14:58] <Aleo> See you!
[15:00] <akshmakov> I can bring it up in terms of input, I think it is very difficult to give a lab a single cd image of an ubuntu that works for everyone
[15:00] <belkinsa> Sure.
[15:01] <akshmakov> Instead my personal opinion is about teaching the technical users in the lab how to set up an efficient lab ecosystem for linux and ubuntu specifically
[15:02] <akshmakov> Of course, there is still a lot of overlap between users, say everyone in a math group will need to use Mathematica
[15:02] <akshmakov> In my experience it has been a lot easier to get people to use linux when you show how much simpler it is than managing a windows system
[15:03] <akshmakov> But if both systems require you to fiddle around with compiling packages or broken installers or out of date software
[15:03] <akshmakov> stick with the devil you know is the general attitude


[15:59] <adrien> \o
[15:59] <mkukri> o/
[15:59] <liushuyu> o/
[15:59] <upils> o/
[16:00] <zhsj> o/
[16:00] <adrien> I'm building openssl; it's nice'd but still...
[16:00] <dviererbe> o/
[16:00] <ravikant_> o/
[16:00] <pushkarnk> o/
[16:00] <bdrung> \o
[16:00] <ogayot> o/
[16:01] <slyon> o/
[16:02] <juliank> o/
[16:02] <xypron> \o
[16:02] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:02:31 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:02] <Skia> o/
[16:02] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:02] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-02-22/
[16:02] <juliank> busy day!
[16:04] <bdmurray> juliank: Is your status still live?
[16:04] <juliank> no sorry
[16:05] <juliank> Forgot to update the timestamp
[16:05] <juliank> So yes, the DEP17 migration to /usr is at full steam
[16:05] <juliank> and should hopefully be also done tomorrow
[16:05] <juliank> The one for essential anyhow
[16:06]  * juliank had one primary goal: Make mmdebstrap work on noble
[16:08] <bdmurray> dviererbe: regarding unzip autopkgtests for i386 I've seen the same thing with gzip
[16:08] <bdmurray> dviererbe: I think there is a bug for that
[16:09] <dviererbe> bdmurray: is there anything I can do?
[16:09] <bdmurray> write a patch? ;-)
[16:09] <dviererbe> :D
[16:13] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:13] <bdmurray> wait
[16:13] <bdmurray> I finally found it!
[16:13] <bdmurray> dviererbe: bug 1881504
[16:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1881504 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "cross-testing essential packages fails" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881504
[16:13] <dviererbe> thx
[16:13] <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:13] <juliank> bug 2049904
[16:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2049904 in rustc (Ubuntu) "meson x rustc library ordering issue" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049904
[16:17] <bdmurray> juliank: yes, and?
[16:17] <mkukri> removing rustc, it's not really a bug, rustc does weird things but i think it's "by diesng"
[16:17] <mkukri> *design
[16:19] <juliank> Sorry doing DEP17 /usr move coordination in parallel
[16:19] <bdmurray> Focus man
[16:19] <juliank> Lots of talking to helmut :)
[16:20] <juliank> so this is fixed already and the report is out to date
[16:20] <bdmurray> Thursday, 22. February 2024 14:31 UTC hardly?
[16:20] <juliank> ugh no rustc is open, but meson is done
[16:21] <mkukri> removed rustc
[16:21] <juliank> thanks
[16:21] <juliank> bug 2054319
[16:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054319 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "System installed from jammy point release iso cannot upgrade to noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054319
[16:21] <bdmurray> I think the problem here is polkit
[16:21] <juliank> We already have one for tracker anyway, so let's remove that
[16:22] <juliank> tracker-extract crashing is in u-r-u backlog
[16:22] <juliank> the polkit crash could eventually crash gnome-shell
[16:23] <juliank> I don't really want to tag this with 3 packages as we get three JIRA issues which will be awkward
[16:23] <juliank> I guess desktop is doing some analysis too
[16:24] <juliank> I suggest we skip it until next week
[16:24] <juliank> maybe the culprit has been seen by then :)
[16:24] <juliank> bug 2054341
[16:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054341 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Cinnamon and Xubuntu FTBFS due to failure in diversion process" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054341
[16:25] <juliank> fwiw I expect we'll see a bunch more diversions fail next week due to stuff from /bin /sbin moving to /usr
[16:25] <juliank> I'd argue the idea to make the diversion script a no-op if real script is not present is the right choice, and lets take it
[16:26] <juliank> Nothing going on in other releases
[16:27] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:27] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:27] <juliank> ginggs hinted or will hint python3-defaults and glibc
[16:29]  * juliank is reading the last week data
[16:30] <juliank> OK let's start with expat
[16:31] <juliank> expat adrien
[16:31] <adrien> ack
[16:31] <juliank> python-tz bdmurray
[16:31] <juliank> ugh
[16:31] <juliank> python-tz bdrung
[16:32] <juliank> beets vs sphinx: bdmurray
[16:33] <juliank> billiard vs sphinx: cpete
[16:33] <cpete> ack
[16:33] <juliank> django-reversion vs sphinx: dviererbe
[16:33] <juliank> sorry
[16:33] <dviererbe> ack
[16:33] <juliank> django-reversion vs highlight.js: dbungert
[16:33] <juliank> highlight.js vs sphinx that is
[16:34] <juliank> jupyter-client v sphinx:  danilogondolfo
[16:34] <dbungert> ack for highlight.js vs sphinx
[16:34] <danilogondolfo> ack
[16:34] <juliank> php-mockery vs sphinx: waveform
[16:34] <waveform> ack ... I can mock php :)
[16:34] <juliank> pyopencl vs sphinx: Skia
[16:34] <Skia> ack
[16:34] <juliank> python-djvulibre vs sphinx: xypron
[16:35] <xypron> ok
[16:35] <juliank> python-hypothesis vs sphinx: slyon
[16:35] <slyon> ack
[16:35] <juliank> python-parsl vs sphinx: mkukri
[16:35] <mkukri> ack
[16:35] <juliank> python-qtconsole vs sphinx: enr0n
[16:35] <juliank> python-requests-toolbelt vs sphinx: ogayot
[16:35] <juliank> python-tornado vs sphinx: upils
[16:35] <upils> ack
[16:35] <ogayot> juliank: ack
[16:35] <juliank> python-utils vs sphinx: pushkarnk
[16:36] <pushkarnk> ack
[16:36] <bdmurray> How did beets every pass he wondered
[16:36] <bdmurray> *ever
[16:37] <juliank> spyder vs sphinx: rkratky ?
[16:37] <rkratky> ack
[16:37] <juliank> sqlobject vs sphinx: liushuyu
[16:37] <liushuyu> juliank: ack
[16:37] <juliank> vcr.py  vs sphinx: zhsj
[16:38] <zhsj> ack
[16:38] <juliank> xrayutilities vs sphinx: vpa1977
[16:38] <juliank> ed: juliank
[16:38] <juliank> and we are out of issues
[16:38] <juliank> #topic AOB
[16:39] <bdmurray> I have issues
[16:43] <juliank> I have tissues
[16:43] <bdmurray> Nothing to bring up though
[16:44] <cpete> I call mine Chrissues
[16:44] <bdmurray> wow, that's a dad joke there
[16:45] <mkukri> for anyone reading the log: python-parsl vs sphinx passed, please dont create card
[16:49] <bdmurray> juliank: end meeting?
[16:49] <juliank> #endmeeting
[16:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:49:34 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-22-16.02.moin.txt
[16:49] <juliank> My apologies


[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[11:15] <dholbach> bkerensa, hey Benjamin - I think at some stage we should have a chat about how we're moving with the dev updates
[11:16] <dholbach> maybe together with Joey from OMG
[15:46] <dholbach> bkerensa, I got a new update out
[15:46] <dholbach> let's try to have a chat maybe early next week about we're moving forward :)
[18:16] <bkerensa> dholbach:  ello
[18:48] <dholbach> hi bkerensa
[18:48] <bkerensa> dholbach: I'm following up with interviewees who did not respond
[18:48] <dholbach> sweet, thanks a lot
[18:49] <bkerensa> dholbach: I am also going to interview seb128 and pitti
[18:50] <bkerensa> since they were in our list and should be easier to hunt down
[18:50] <bkerensa> :D
[18:51] <dholbach> yes :-9
[18:51] <dholbach> :-)


[18:24] <Maik> oxfuxxx: please change your quit message into something more appropriate and acceptable and fix your connection for once as you were asked multiple times now. It's getting a big annoyance.
[19:05] <ogra> Maik, ^^^ FYI
[19:31] <Maik> ogra: thank you :)
[19:56] <nicoz> :P


[00:15] <KNRO> Hi, on pbuilder-dist update, I get this error W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 487CEC2B3F33A288
[00:15] <KNRO> any idea why?
[00:16] <lifeless> you probably haven't apt-key added the ppa; apt-add-repository should do that automatically for you
[00:20] <KNRO> no that's not it.. that key is not my ppa key
[00:21] <KNRO> the only I'm tryng pbuilder-dist to update from
[00:22] <lifeless> that key is for 'Launchpad INDI'
[00:22] <KNRO> yes...
[00:23] <KNRO> pbuilder-dist natty update --othermirror "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mutlaqja/ppa/ubuntu natty main"
[00:23] <KNRO> and that's the command...
[00:23] <lifeless> and like I said, you probably apt-key added it
[00:45] <KNRO> no hope! I tried doing sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 487CEC2B3F33A288
[00:45] <KNRO> still same result
[07:12] <KNRO> I already have a gpg key imported for my launchpad ppa, however, pbuild-dist update still displays the same error : GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 487CEC2B3F33A288
[07:12] <KNRO> I tried apt-key add, add-apt-repository but nothing works
[07:13] <KNRO> sudo apt-get update runs fine with no errors, just pbuilder-dist update gives that error
[07:14] <jmarsden> KNRO: Maybe you need to apt-key ... that key inside the chroot??
[07:14] <KNRO> how do I know if it's inside chroot?
[07:14] <geser> KNRO: did you add that PPA key inside your normal system or inside the pbuilder environment?
[07:15] <KNRO> I just did sudo apt-get add normally...
[07:15] <KNRO> how can I add to it pbuilder environment?
[07:15] <geser> then you only added it to your normal system and not the pbuilder
[07:16] <KNRO> ok, how to add to pbuilder then?
[07:16] <geser> "pbuilder-dist natty login --save-after-login" gives you a shell inside your pbuilder (the --save-after-login is important else your changes get thrown away at the end)
[07:16] <jmarsden> KNRO: Something like   pbuilder login --save-after-login  ... then apt-key around in there and exit when done.
[07:17] <geser> then add the key the same you did it before and you can use "apt-get update" to check if it runs now without any error message
[07:18] <geser> if everything works as wanted "exit" the pbuilder and your changes get saved
[07:19] <KNRO> ok let me try that
[11:01] <OwaisL> What is the state of python-skype (Skype4Py) in Oneiric? I can't find the package anymore
[11:04] <geser> OwaisL: it got removed in Debian and Ubuntu: (From Debian) RoQA; orphaned, low popcon; Debian bug #622667
[13:53] <Laney> bdrung: can we upload u-d-t?
[16:37] <tumbleweed> Laney: do we not want some bug closing in syncpackage?
[16:38] <Laney> unless someone is actively working on it right now, I wouldn't delay putting the initial support out there
[16:40] <Laney> (the announcement can mention the caveats)
[16:40] <tumbleweed> yeah, nobody's working on it
[17:27] <tumbleweed> Laney, cjwatson: I'm guessing we should make it check the sync blacklist too? It doesn't look like +localepackagediffs knows about it
[17:46] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: meh, probably, yes
[19:13] <jtaylor> is it normal that branches to be sponsored should have distro set to UNRELEASED?
[19:13] <jtaylor> just got a few complaints in some of my as-needed branches, but its the first time I get that complaint
[19:16] <jbicha> I always used oneiric but I was corrected today too
[19:29] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: we do that in DPMT, as it makes good sense for trunk in team-maintained packages. I don't see a good reason to do it for proposed merges in Ubuntu
[19:54] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: endorsed your MOTU application
[19:55] <jtaylor> :O it isn't finished yet :/
[19:55]  * tumbleweed doesn't care
[19:55] <jtaylor> but thanks


[12:45] <juliank> It seems snaps are now unable to access the network in noble
[12:45] <juliank> hmm
[12:45] <juliank> well at least mattermost and firefox fail, but lxd is happy
[12:46] <juliank> mattermost-desktop_mattermost-desktop.desktop[5119]: (node:5119) electron: Failed to load URL: https://chat.canonical.com/ with error: ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED
[12:46] <juliank> hmm
[12:47] <juliank> I don't see any denials
[12:48] <juliank> Mattermost outside snap works fine
[12:51] <juliank> welp
[12:57] <juliank> It seems to send requests on socket fd 75, but never gets replies
[12:58] <juliank> 75 seems to be a socket pair
[12:59] <juliank> Well I can't run nslookup or anything inside the snaps so I don't know
[13:01] <ogra_> juliank, this channel is rather a place for tumbleweed, i doubt anyone relevant from the snapd team is even here anymore
[13:01] <juliank> ogra_: ok
[13:02] <ogra_> either try the forum, or use the internal MM channel
[13:02] <juliank> ogra_: Yeah well I can't get on the mattermost
[13:03] <ogra_> you can install snappy-debug or at least watch your journal though, to see if confinement plays any role
[13:03] <juliank> It doesn't sadly
[13:03] <ogra_> hmm ...
[13:04] <juliank> I'll go retry older kerenl version
[13:04] <ogra_> yeah, either kernel or something in the namespace setup ...
[13:07] <juliank> yup it is the kernel