[07:51] <thoreauputic> gm78: you want to ban a module? i think you can do that in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:51] <gm78> Kovecses, smeg is a good tool for this, google it and download it from the ubuntu forums
[07:51] <Kovecses> gm78, its not in the repos?
[07:52] <dabaR> it is
[07:52] <dabaR> backports
[07:52] <gm78> thoreauputic, no, its on my moms computer. she has an ati tv card, which is buggy as hell. it requires u to pass the tuner=2 option every time modprobe bttv is run. when ubuntu boots, it doesnt do this and the card doesnt work
[07:52] <gm78> Kovecses, no...should be for breezy
[07:52] <Kovecses> i heard i can edit menus using a package called menu..... i just want to add one thing really
[07:53] <thoreauputic> gm78: listen to bob2 - I have no experience with this
[07:53] <Yuki> can anyone tell me how to mount my ntfs partition so that I can take data from it?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> gm78: I just know how to load modules or ban them
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> the menus are all built from a bunch of files somewhere.. i forget where however. :P
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> like /usr/share/applications
[07:53] <bob2> Yuki: www.ubuntuguide.org has a short article on that
[07:53] <gm78> Kovecses, well, for smeg, all u need to do is install 2 deb packages
[07:53] <Yuki> bob2, thanyou
[07:54] <patrickj> back for bit actually
[07:54] <dabaR> bob2: nice
[07:54] <Kovecses> gm78, is it a graphical program
[07:54] <dabaR> Yuki: there is also a automount script prepared by seveas somewhere
[07:54] <gm78> Kovecses, yes, really easy to use
[07:54] <Kovecses> gm78, thanks im gonna go grab it
[07:54] <dabaR> also, theree is this:
[07:55] <dabaR> !mountwindows
[07:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:55] <ricosuave17> im curious is there a utility taht lets u use all packages off all distros on ur distro
[07:55] <gm78> Kovecses, alright. make sure u install the python something or other deb first, and then the smeg deb
[07:55] <patrickj> i need to program my OB menus :p
[07:55] <Kovecses> gm78, im gonna apt it from backports
[07:55] <FlibidyFloo> at first blush ubuntu seems very polished
[07:55] <thoreauputic> dabaR: aha - i was trying to remember that factoid - thanks
[07:55] <spasmodo> bob2 -- thanks, I am making steady progress
[07:55] <patrickj> wheres the main file for the menu?
[07:55] <gm78> ricosuave17, no, there isnt. the best bet is to use ubuntu packages or statically linked packages or compile ur own
[07:56] <dabaR> the mount windows wiki, thoreauputic ?
[07:56] <Kovecses> where are you guys from??
[07:56] <patrickj> ?
[07:56] <thoreauputic> dabaR: yes
[07:56] <gigaclon> is there a way to automatically make esd release sound drivers when idle
[07:56] <Kovecses> how can i have the system sound and have sound in other apps?
[07:57] <gigaclon> basically start up with the -as flag
[07:57] <patrickj> ?
[07:57] <dabaR> patrickj: serious, you need to program them? I started using OB now too:)
[07:57] <gm78> Kovecses, which other apps??? some make this impossible, such as real player and xmms/bmp
[07:57] <patrickj> i need to script em :p
[07:57] <patrickj> but where is the main menu file?
[07:57] <dabaR> like what is offered when you right click?
[07:57] <patrickj> is it ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml?
[07:58] <Kovecses> gm78, well say i want system sound but want to play a game... i have to disable system sound to get sound in games
[07:58] <Kovecses> gigaclon, -as?
[07:58] <dabaR> patrickj: are you gonna change what is offered in the context menu when you right click on the desktop?
[07:58] <luckyaba> Kovecses: i had the same problem
[07:59] <Kovecses> gm78, i can do it with xmms
[07:59] <luckyaba> Kovecses: it deals with your sound card and sound mixing
[07:59] <gm78> Kovecses, the problem lies with esd. some apps wont play sound when esd is running
[07:59] <gigaclon> yeah it makes esd realease control after being idle
[07:59] <gm78> Kovecses, hmmm....thats weird
[07:59] <patrickj> yes...
[07:59] <patrickj> so the menu.xml. right?
[07:59] <Kovecses> gm78, i just have to tell xmms to use alsa
[07:59] <chris> sudo fdisk -l  ;P
[07:59] <chris> this is great
[07:59] <dabaR> patrickj: no idea, Ill check it out too, msg me if you ever figure it out.
[08:00] <jcarr> totem can't even play mpegs by default?
[08:00] <dabaR> http://icculus.org/openbox/docs.php patrickj
[08:00] <patrickj> dabaR: its menu.xhtml i believe
[08:00] <jcarr> can I still use the french mplayer repository?
[08:00] <patrickj> because im editing it as we speak :p
[08:01] <Kovecses> is there a way to get system sound without using esd
[08:01] <jcarr> cuz I need to view these divXs of pr0n I download hourly
[08:01] <jcarr> and linux is sadly lacking out of the box multimedia wise
[08:01] <patrickj> hey on Gaim I have to lists MSN Messenger and Individuals and they accidently got both created, they both contain the exact same contact, if I delte one will I still have the contacts in the other?
[08:01] <dabaR> patrickj: yes, likely.
[08:02] <dabaR> patrickj: whats the path to the file?
[08:02] <patrickj> ok it worked
[08:02] <patrickj> ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml
[08:02] <jcarr> what's this public key crap it wants when I use ftp://ftp.nerim.net  in my apt sources.list?
[08:02] <patrickj> im using bluefish to edit it :p
[08:02] <jcarr> is ubuntu different from debian?
[08:02] <Kovecses> luckyaba, did you ever fix it?
[08:02] <jcarr> that much!?
[08:03] <dabaR> arent yuo special;)
[08:03] <luckyaba> Kovecses: yes
[08:03] <thoreauputic> jcarr: it's more that apt is updated to use keys - but don't use nerim with ubuntu
[08:03] <Kovecses> luckyaba, can you helpme?
[08:03] <jcarr> how come?
[08:04] <luckyaba> Kovecses: yeah
[08:04] <luckyaba> Kovecses: one sec
[08:04] <thoreauputic> jcarr: sarge is out of sync with ubuntu atm
[08:04] <Kovecses> luckyaba, thanks
[08:04] <jcarr> thespiritoftal, is there some other way to just get mplayer?
[08:04] <jcarr> :(
[08:04] <thoreauputic> jcarr: mplayer is in multiverse
[08:04] <jcarr> well, totem can't view mpegs :(
[08:04] <patrickj> and I dont know how to add menu item :/
[08:04] <jcarr> at least, not out of the box with ubuntu
[08:04] <arbir> bob2 i am now again in the mouse config screen
[08:05] <dabaR> patrickj: I dont have the file there:(
[08:05] <arbir> what module shouldi choose @ bob2
[08:05] <bob2> arbir: what did mdetect say?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> jcarr: mplayer is in multiverse and w32codecs in hoary extras from backports
[08:05] <Kovecses> w32codecs are a must
[08:05] <arbir> '/dev/psaux
[08:05] <jcarr> oph... what do I need to put in my apt/sources.list?
[08:05] <arbir> intellimouse
[08:05] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[08:05] <ubotu> somebody said multimedia was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> it's absolutely ridiculous that you have to build a new kernel in order to install vmware
[08:06] <Madpilot> jcarr: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats   - for mpg/mp3/etc
[08:06] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:06] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:06] <jcarr> I know how to add em
[08:06] <jcarr> I'm asking which it is
[08:06] <patrickj> oh you have to copy it from somewhere
[08:06] <patrickj> I cant remember though
[08:06] <arbir> just those two lines bob2
[08:06] <patrickj> go to the openbiox irc and ask there
[08:06] <jcarr> just give it to me
[08:06] <dabaR> I got it.
[08:06] <dabaR> thanks.
[08:06] <jcarr> the two lines I need to add
[08:06] <Necrosan_> Using ubuntu 5.04 and firestarter
[08:06] <bob2> arbir: er, that's not a serial mouse
[08:06] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about proftpd?
[08:06] <arbir> bob2 did u get those lines ?
[08:06] <patrickj> kk
[08:06] <thoreauputic> jcarr: I told you above - multiverse and hoary extras
[08:06] <Necrosan_> I've enabled the right ports for a gameserver, but I still cannot connect except on my internal network
[08:07] <Necrosan_> what's the problem?
[08:07] <luckyaba> Kovecses: here this will guide you better than i can explain
[08:07] <luckyaba> Kovecses: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=sound
[08:07] <Kovecses> luckyaba, cool
[08:07] <jcarr> multiverse?
[08:07] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about proftpd on how to set it up so when people login it takes them to their home dir?
[08:07] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, most likely has something to do with port forwarding at your router
[08:07] <arbir> bob2 its a serial mouse. it goes into a com port..
[08:07] <Necrosan_> Not using a router
[08:07] <Necrosan_> Using a switch
[08:07] <arbir> bob2 the port is something like where you plug in your monitor
[08:07] <thoreauputic> jcarr: :/ did you look at the repos link?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:07] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:07] <arbir> bob2  i guess that is a com port
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> spanglesontoast:  it should do that automatically..
[08:07] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, then what do you mean your "local network"?
[08:08] <Necrosan_> ubuntu has two nics, eth0 connects to the internet and eth1 is for the internal network
[08:08] <Kovecses> luckyaba, THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:08] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about proftpd on how to set it up so when people login it takes them to their home dir?
[08:08] <bob2> arbir: well, mdetect disagrees
[08:08] <jcarr> odd, quite a departure from Debian eh?
[08:08] <dabaR> patrickj: sweet.
[08:08] <arbir> bob2 so what should be done
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> spanglesontoast:  it does that by default.
[08:08] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, then your games are listening on the NIC connected to your internal network
[08:08] <luckyaba> Kovecses: no problem.. i know how bad it iritated me so.. hey
[08:09] <Necrosan_> Uhh
[08:09] <bob2> spanglesontoast: try the proftpd irc channel or mailing list
[08:09] <Necrosan_> They are listening on all the nics.
[08:09] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, you need to set iptables to work as a NAT
[08:09] <Necrosan_> I've verified this with netstat -a
[08:09] <spanglesontoast> proftpd channel is dead
[08:09] <Necrosan_> La_PaRCa: Firestarter is doing that all
[08:09] <bob2> arbir: don't know
[08:10] <bob2> arbir: I'd just try the various mouse protocols until one worked
[08:10] <arbir> i choose the generic protocol
[08:10] <arbir> let me try now bob2
[08:10] <jcarr> what do I need for mpeg2 files?
[08:11] <patrickj> !pastebin
[08:11] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:11] <La_PaRCa> Necrosan_, um... you might want to check that config. Since I am no expert, and dont know a thing about firestarter, I am not your guy. Sorry.
[08:11] <Kovecses> #flood what is that?
[08:11] <Necrosan_> okay, thanks anyway
[08:11] <dabaR> oh wow, hybrid
[08:11] <dabaR> I mean, hybrid_goth got banned?
[08:12] <patrickj> Is this a vlid openbox menu:
[08:12] <patrickj> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/320064
[08:12] <patrickj> ?
[08:12] <dabaR> does it work when you right click on the desktop and select restart, does it do what you want it to?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> patrickj: why not try it and see if it works? ;)
[08:13] <Kovecses> anyone use anything other than gnome
[08:13] <patrickj> i did ant nothing showed yp, yes on the penbox website it says it not, can someone paste a valid openbox menu in the pastebin?
[08:13] <dabaR> we are talking about openbox right now...
[08:13] <patrickj> lol
[08:13] <tnapuati> tnapuati
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: yep fluxbox, xfce4
[08:13] <patrickj> I hate flux
[08:13] <thoreauputic> patrickj: each to their own
[08:14] <coobra> omg its raiing :7
[08:14] <patrickj> is xfce4 ne good?
[08:14] <Kovecses> i like flux but the windows open bigger than my screen
[08:14] <La_PaRCa> xfce4 is fast
[08:14] <La_PaRCa> real fast
[08:14] <thoreauputic> patrickj: sure, it's nice
[08:14] <Kovecses> xfce is nice
[08:14] <dabaR> patrickj: posted
[08:14] <coobra> xfce4 <3
[08:14] <gpd_> anyone know how to ignore read errors from a DVD? using dd or totem?
[08:15] <patrickj> whats the link to the post bin?
[08:15] <coobra> e1.7 is nice to ;)
[08:15] <coobra> not fast
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> Id use xfce if I hadnt invested time customizing gnome to my liking
[08:15] <coobra> not stabel
[08:15] <adapter> so I have progress
[08:15] <Kovecses> el.7?
[08:15] <adapter> I got xine to play video but it doesn't play sound
[08:15] <jcarr> that's really gay that ubuntu cannot even view mpegs out of the box
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> e1.7
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: I think he means e 17 (enlightenment)
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> enlightenment 1.7
[08:15] <Kovecses> u guys hear of the xpde lol
[08:15] <adapter> when I start the video it gets an unknown codec for the audio: audio codec: mpeg layer 2/3 (0x55)
[08:15] <dabaR> jcarr: it is because it is tryiong to be free and legal.
[08:16] <Kovecses> oh thanks
[08:16] <adapter> any ideas?
[08:16] <patrickj> dabaR: whats the link to the postbin?
[08:16] <jcarr> dabaR, mpeg2 is legal?
[08:16] <jcarr> it's a widely used format
[08:16] <dabaR> go to pastebin and refresh, on he left side there will be my post listed
[08:16] <patrickj> n/m i know
[08:16] <jcarr> well, what does it take to just let me use that?
[08:16] <dabaR> jcarr: no idea, depends on the crazy govt you subscruibe to.
[08:16] <jcarr> I just wanna view mpegs
[08:16] <dabaR> !restricted
[08:16] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:17] <dabaR> that is all+ w32codecs for backports if you need wmv support
[08:17] <dabaR> from backports rather.
[08:17] <Kovecses> jcarr, u should be able to view mpegs with no problem
[08:17] <jcarr> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted multiverse universe
[08:18] <jcarr> :(
[08:18] <jcarr> let me try to install mplayer
[08:18] <jcarr> I can install it right?
[08:18] <dabaR> ok, we'll let you but only this time.
[08:18] <thoreauputic> jcarr: yes - choose for your archtecture
[08:19] <Kovecses> jcarr, if you have multiverse
[08:19] <Kovecses> jcarr, if you have multiverse
[08:19] <Kovecses> jcarr, youneed to install the fonts too .... i dont know why it isnt a dependency
[08:19] <patrickj> well I know how to add items to the menu, but i need to know how to add submenus
[08:19] <dabaR> what do you do with those dcc chats when you get them?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jcarr: probably mplayer-586 or so ( no 686 afaik)
[08:19] <patrickj> accept if u want
[08:19] <luckyaba> what do you type that makes it appear red on my screen when your talking to me?
[08:19] <dabaR> what a submenu? a separator?
[08:19] <patrickj> your name
[08:20] <Seveas> luckyaba, your name :)
[08:20] <dabaR> patrickj: how is that accept?
[08:20] <Kovecses> are you guys using XCHAT?
[08:20] <luckyaba> Seveas that it?
[08:20] <patrickj> no another menu in side the root-menu
[08:20] <adapter> so where can I find audo codecs?
[08:20] <adapter> audio
[08:20] <dabaR> patrickj: or in english. How do you accept? irssi.
[08:20] <patrickj> like the Desktops menu
[08:20] <thoreauputic> luckyaba: xchat highlights your nick if that's what you mean
[08:20] <patrickj> i ono
[08:20] <patrickj> im using XChar
[08:20] <Seveas> luckyaba, yes :)
[08:20] <patrickj> **XChar
[08:20] <dabaR> i koje?
[08:20] <patrickj> **XChat
[08:20] <luckyaba> thank you much
[08:20] <patrickj> but how do I add submenus
[08:21] <luckyaba> im surprised no one said ctrl alt del
[08:21] <patrickj> so the right click menu can have like a menu that
[08:21] <dabaR> so you mean like the desktops submenu?
[08:21] <patrickj> Apps > Editors > Gedit
[08:21] <patrickj> ?
[08:21] <patrickj> yes
[08:21] <luckyaba> rrr alt f4
[08:21] <dabaR> well, did you go to that link for docs I gave you?
[08:21] <Kovecses> what cdburning app should i get?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: graveman, gnomebaker (to taste)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> or k3b if you don't mind some extra KDE libraries
[08:22] <dabaR> patrickj: add this to your menu.xml <menu id="Debian" label="dabaR"/>
[08:22] <desrt> get serpentine out of backports
[08:23] <desrt> it's much better
[08:23] <patrickj> ll
[08:23] <patrickj> ok
[08:23] <patrickj> why does it have to be debian?
[08:23] <dabaR> I knew that.
[08:23] <dabaR> no change it to whatever.
[08:23] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, graveman?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: yes - written by a French guy - 'graver' means to engrave or burn CDs in French :)
[08:24] <thoreauputic> hence graveman
[08:24] <luckyaba> wow.. the more you know
[08:25] <patrickj> ok I had it working fine, i put Label instead of label :p
[08:25] <patrickj> well peace out
[08:25] <patrickj> sleep......
[08:25] <joevandyk> is pasting four lines considered spamming?
[08:25] <luckyaba> a luxury i cant endure
[08:25] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, is it good?
[08:25] <dabaR> peace
[08:25] <joevandyk> I'm getting two sets of worrisome messages in my log file.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: works well for me
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:33 localhost kernel: warning: many lost ticks.
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:33 localhost kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:33 localhost kernel: rip rtl8169_phy_timer+0x97/0xb0 [r8169]
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:04:43 localhost kernel: r8169: eth1: PHY reset until link up
[08:25] <joevandyk> Jul 24 20:05:23 localhost last message repeated 4 times
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: try it and see - it isn't a big download
[08:26] <joevandyk> what the hell does that error mean?
[08:26] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, is it in the repos?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: yes
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Kovecses: apt-cache policy graveman - says it's in universe
[08:27] <chris> keep up the good work yall im off to bed    cya
[08:28] <Kovecses> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:29] <Kovecses> what distro u guys use before ubuntu came out.....just curious?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> debian
[08:30] <Disease> hi everyone
[08:30] <Kovecses> hello
[08:30] <Disease> can anyone help me with a problem i'm having with installing Ubuntu?
[08:30] <Kovecses> ok
[08:31] <Disease> i keep getting No screen found
[08:31] <Disease> and can't boot x-server
[08:31] <Disease> yes, i have a Radeon x700 pro
[08:32] <Disease> in one forum topic it said to change the chipset driver to radeon
[08:32] <Disease> but i don't have that as a choice
[08:32] <xuniluser> help: ANY ANJUTA USERS HERE?
[08:32] <xuniluser> sorry....for the caps
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Disease: from memory, I think one thing to try is running ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg ' and say "no" to the frame buffer question
[08:33] <mrproper> What kernel module do the Hauppage TV tuners use?
[08:33] <Disease> i have ran that only without the -plow command
[08:34] <thoreauputic> xuniluser: THAT'S OK  *grin*
[08:34] <Disease> no luck
[08:34] <Disease> i've seen that you have to edit the xorg.conf with gedit
[08:35] <Disease> only i can't run gedit
[08:35] <RQ> :)
[08:35] <Disease> because it says it can't display them
[08:35] <parabolize> Disease, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:35] <RQ> Disease use vim
[08:35] <RQ> or nano
[08:35] <Disease> i try that
[08:36] <Disease> ok
[08:36] <RQ> nano is better if you're a beginner
[08:36] <parabolize> nano is good
[08:36] <Disease> i'll try vim and nano
[08:36] <Disease> i'm really just trying to get in and edit it
[08:36] <coobra> pico to
[08:36] <RQ> vim is more advanced and more inconvenient
[08:36] <Seveas> Disease, you can use gedit too
[08:36] <Disease> i can't now
[08:36] <RQ> Seveas no X means no gedit
[08:36] <Seveas> Disease, ina  normal terminal you type: sudo gedit
[08:36] <Disease> it says it can't display
[08:36] <parabolize> Disease, are you typing sudo?
[08:36] <Disease> i'm under root
[08:37] <RQ> bah, guys
[08:37] <Disease> i have no X
[08:37] <thoreauputic> coobra: pico is a symlink to nano in Ubuntu
[08:37] <RQ> HE HAS NO X RUNNING!
[08:37] <Disease> i can't display it
[08:37] <parabolize> Disease, root is not in ubuntu.
[08:37] <RQ> how do you expect him to run gedit without X?
[08:37] <Disease> yes it is
[08:37] <coobra> thoreauputic:  in all system its  :)
[08:37] <parabolize> Disease, try nano I gess
[08:38] <Disease> brb, gonna try it out
[08:38] <chibifs> thoreauputic - It did in warty, why wouldn't it now?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Disease: nano is probably easiest if you aren't comfortable with vi/vim
[08:38] <thoreauputic> chibifs: ?
[08:38] <chibifs> pico symlink.
[08:38] <thoreauputic> chibifs: it still is - i just ran pico and got nano
[08:39] <thoreauputic> chibifs: I don't follow you...
[08:39] <chibifs> Oh, excuse, I read "There is no symlink from pico to nano in ubuntu"
[08:39] <chibifs> My bad.
[08:39] <thoreauputic> chibifs: clean your glasses ;-)
[08:40] <chibifs> Nah, just need to turn the font up past 7pt :P
[08:40] <thoreauputic> haha
[08:40] <parabolize> lol
[08:40] <RQ> ;] ] ]
[08:40] <RQ> and then clean your glasses ;P~
[08:41] <fortran01> is there a resizing tool that comes with the ubuntu installer, i want to resize my ntfs, and dual boot ubuntu with windoze xp?
[08:42] <auk> !firefox
[08:42] <joevandyk> How do I prevent a kernel module from being loaded at boot?
[08:42] <chibifs> I spend a lot of time at really low resolutions trying to tweak for mobile/low-processor desktops, so I usually have my fonts turned down low :D
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> joevandyk: put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:42] <RQ> ah
[08:42] <joevandyk> And how can I safely remove old madwifi's that restricted-modules package installed?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> joevandyk: put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:42] <joevandyk> HrdwrBoB, tthanks!
[08:42] <auk> !info firefox
[08:42] <auk> !info mozilla-firefox
[08:42] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 8581 kB, Installed size: 24100 kB
[08:43] <joevandyk> I installed new madwifi's but they're in a different spot than the old ones.  So I'd like the old ones to be removed.  Should I just delete them or move them?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: oops sorry - not quick enough :)
[08:43] <auk> !mozilla-firefox
[08:43] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:43] <RQ> auk?
[08:43] <auk> yes?
[08:43] <auk> !firefox seg fault
[08:43] <ubotu> auk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> auk: OK enough bot abuse ;)
[08:44] <auk> !firefox segmentation fault
[08:44] <ubotu> Wish i knew, auk
[08:44] <auk> ok
[08:44] <auk> sorry
[08:44] <anacron> can i play doom3 and such a games in ubuntu somehow?
[08:44] <RQ> auk
[08:44] <RQ> google?
[08:44] <auk> tried
[08:44] <thoreauputic> auk: read the /topic by the way
[08:44] <RQ> auk btw - hoary?
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: heh it's a quick draw around here
[08:44] <parabolize> anacron, doom3 is yes
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: yes
[08:44] <auk> oh
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> doom3 has a linux version
[08:44] <auk> ehhe
[08:44] <chibifs> anacron - Doom3 has a native linux client.
[08:44] <auk> *hehe
[08:44] <chibifs> Though it doesn't run bad at all under cedega. :o
[08:45] <auk> so is it a priority? :D
[08:45] <parabolize> anacron, http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[08:45] <anacron> okay, so i can play doom, but how 'bout other games, like painkiller and psychonauts?
[08:45] <joevandyk> When I click "New Login" (in System Tools), I get the following error message: "Cannot start new display.  There were errors trying to start the X server."  Nothing appeared in /var/log/messages or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:45] <auk> 'cause it's bugging the crap out of me
[08:45] <anacron> parabolize: thanks ^^
[08:46] <RQ> hm
[08:46] <RQ> auk: crasing FF was the reason i upgraded to breezy, lol
[08:46] <thoreauputic> auk: someone said "wait until tomorrow" a while back
[08:46] <oatis> hi, I just installed kubuntu and noticed packages like php4-mysql are not available via apt, why not?
[08:46] <auk> uuggghh
[08:47] <thoreauputic> auk: so I guess work is happening
[08:47] <auk> two days are enough fo rme :)
[08:47] <chibifs> oatis - Enable Universe repository.
[08:47] <auk> i am used to linux & OSS beign infallible
[08:47] <parabolize> anacron, don't know about painkiller and psychonauts. did you try googleing?
[08:48] <chibifs> Edit the archive.ubuntu.org apt line from main restricted to main restricted universe multiverse
[08:48] <Yuki> is there anything wrong with this line: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /home/user/windows -o username-moo password=moo
[08:48] <Yuki> because it doesn't work
[08:48] <chibifs> Yuki - Moo is a bad password :D
[08:48] <Yuki> lol
[08:49] <Yuki> it's not the real password
[08:49] <Yuki> :P
[08:49] <RQ> thoreauputic hmm....
[08:49] <RQ> FF is working in breezy :)
[08:49] <ricosuave17> ok i get a source using apt-get install talksoup what do i do wit it
[08:49] <Yuki> I just want to mount my ntfs partition and be able to read it
[08:49] <thoreauputic> RQ: glad to hear *something* works in Breezy :D
[08:50] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[08:50] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:50] <dabaR> Yuki: you tell us if there is something wrong with the line, is there an error?
[08:50] <Yuki> it just gives me help text on how to use monting commands
[08:51] <RQ> thoreauputic :D
[08:51] <RQ> yeah
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Yuki: just read the URL ubotu posted
[08:51] <RQ> something does
[08:51] <RQ> with some help from here, i even got X working in breezy :)
[08:51] <thoreauputic> RQ: congrats :)
[08:51] <RQ> so for me, everything works there ;)
[08:51] <anacron> parabolize: no i didn't try google yet, since i'd like to know is there a common "emulator" to run 3d games
[08:53] <parabolize> anacron, Wine Is Not a Emulator! :) or cedega
[08:53] <dabaR> WINE
[08:54] <joevandyk> Anyone have any ideas on why I can't do the System Tools -> New Login  thing?    It says "Cannot start new display.  There were errors trying to start the X server".  Nothing shows up in the logs as far as I can see.
[08:54] <parabolize> only use those programs when you can't run native
[08:54] <ricosuave17> anyone help me plz
[08:55] <dabaR> you get a source?
[08:55] <RQ> joevandyk checking wrong logs, eh? ;)
[08:55] <Yuki> oh, thank you so much, that guide helped me, it works now
[08:55] <ricosuave17> yes can i paste it here
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: what are you trying to install?
[08:55] <joevandyk> RQ, not sure what logs to check
[08:55] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky # apt-get talksoup
[08:55] <ricosuave17> E: Invalid operation talksoup
[08:55] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky # apt-get install talksoup
[08:55] <ricosuave17> Reading package lists... Done
[08:55] <ricosuave17> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:55] <ricosuave17> Package talksoup is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:55] <ricosuave17> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:55] <ricosuave17> is only available from another source
[08:55] <ricosuave17> However the following packages replace it:
[08:55] <ricosuave17>   talksoup.app
[08:55] <ricosuave17> E: Package talksoup has no installation candidate
[08:55] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky #
[08:55] <RQ> joevandyk /var/log/xorg.1.log probably? :)
[08:55] <oatis> chibifs, thanks
[08:55] <dabaR> ricosuave17: come on
[08:55] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, please don't paste in here
[08:55] <dabaR> !pastebin
[08:56] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:56] <ricosuave17> sorry
[08:56] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: do *NOT* paste in here: please read the /topic
[08:56] <dabaR> use one of those.
[08:56] <joevandyk> RQ, doesn't exist.
[08:56] <ricosuave17> i pased in #flood
[08:56] <RQ> ricosuave17 apt-get install talksoup.app ??
[08:56] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install talksoup.app
[08:56] <RQ> ricosuave17 err...
[08:56] <RQ> capital X
[08:56] <ricosuave17> ok i got it but it seems not to run
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: did you actually *read* what the error said ??
[08:57] <knudsen_> Hello. I have install proftpd on my server, and I can login with my username/password. If I add a new user (useradd testuser) and provide a password (passwd testuser) this user cannot log in (error 530, invalid login). What can be wrong?
[08:57] <ricosuave17> kind off
[08:57] <joevandyk> Waht's the IRC for leaving one channel?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> joevandyk: /part
[08:57] <ricosuave17> oops i did the command
[08:57] <Disease> i'm back
[08:57] <dabaR> knudsen_: should work.
[08:58] <dabaR> knudsen_: what wm are you using?
[08:58] <joevandyk> Well, it's not /exit or /quit
[08:58] <Disease> sadly now i'm getting Kernel Panic - machine check
[08:58] <knudsen_> dabaR: window manager? None. It's a server ...
[08:58] <Disease> on boot up
[08:58] <dabaR> hm... do you know how to list what groups a user belongs to?
[08:58] <joevandyk> RQ, where else would I look
[08:58] <RQ> wait. phone
[08:59] <knudsen_> dabaR: guess so ... which groups must the user belong to?
[08:59] <parabolize> Disease, post your xorg.conf at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[08:59] <RQ> joevandyk?
[08:59] <RQ> apt-cache search talksoupp
[08:59] <dabaR> knudsen_: prolly proftp, or ftp
[08:59] <ricosuave17> its ok i have talksoup now
[09:00] <RQ> joevandyk with one "p"
[09:00] <knudsen_> dabaR: thanks, I'll try that.
[09:01] <joevandyk> rq, what?
[09:01] <RQ> joevandyk, apt-get install talksoup.app
[09:01] <dabaR> knudsen_: no such groups.
[09:01] <joevandyk> RQ, what's that app?
[09:01] <parabolize> Disease, you can use w3m to get there
[09:01] <RQ> oh wait
[09:01] <Computer__Guru> there, vmware is now setup and I have access to windowsxp should i need it for some reason
[09:01] <RQ> joevandyk /var/log/X*.log
[09:02] <joevandyk> RQ, yeah, nothing gets written to any of those.
[09:02] <RQ> this can't be ;)
[09:02] <dabaR> knudsen_: no groups signalling anuthing about ftp
[09:03] <franck> Hi all
[09:03] <xliu> is there a Java programming channel?
[09:03] <joevandyk> RQ, well there's only Xorg.0.log and nothing new is in that file.
[09:03] <resiak> xliu: Could it possibly be #java ?
[09:03] <dabaR> xliu: /join #java
[09:03] <franck> I'm trying again to get help on locales problems
[09:03] <RQ> joevandyk dunno then
[09:04] <spasmodo> good night everyone!
[09:04] <xliu> ok thanks resiak, dabaR
[09:04] <resiak> ...
[09:04] <signius> where does smb.conf live ?
[09:04] <anacron> signius: slocate smb.conf
[09:04] <RQ> signius /etc/samba
[09:05] <signius> thanks
[09:05] <dabaR> knudsen_: user does not have to be in any group to access the ftp server login.
[09:05] <RQ> np
[09:05] <franck> I have language-pack-fr and language-support-fr installed, but some apps still are in english (eg frestarter, wxvlc, multisync...) Where to look for ?
[09:05] <RQ> franck maybe they're not yet translated
[09:06] <xliu> java channel told me:"You need to be identified to join that channel". How to do it?
[09:06] <franck> RQ : well I think they are, because thy are on my Debian Sid box
[09:06] <RQ> hm
[09:06] <dabaR> xliu: /msg nickserv register "password"
[09:06] <RQ> xliu /ns help
[09:07] <RQ> franck and the versions? :)
[09:07] <anacron> is there a command to kill/kick out other users that are using my linux ;D
[09:07] <franck> RQ good question... do you mean they are newer on Hoary and not yet translated ?
[09:08] <RQ> franck they might be newer on sid
[09:08] <RQ> and older on hoary, yhes
[09:08] <ricosuave17> how can i make ubuntu accept all packages
[09:08] <RQ> ricosuave17?
[09:09] <ricosuave17> yes like .rpm and .tar
[09:09] <franck> Oh, I see... anyway I think they've been translated for a long time now...  I will check
[09:09] <dabaR> .tar are archive files.
[09:09] <dabaR> .rpm can be made into .deb, but why would you do that?
[09:09] <RQ> ricosuave17 use alien to import them
[09:09] <signius> in smb.conf what does the ; mean ?
[09:10] <dabaR> wink
[09:10] <RQ> signius it's a comment
[09:10] <RQ> just like #
[09:10] <signius> so why do they use both ; & # in the same files ?
[09:10] <ricosuave17> cause apt-get doesnt always have nice packages
[09:10] <ricosuave17> so i like to use slackware packages
[09:10] <signius> why not just use ; or # ?
[09:11] <dabaR> ricosuave17: yet you dont like to use slackware?
[09:11] <RQ> ricosuave17 you can use slackware then
[09:11] <RQ> signius because.
[09:11] <ricosuave17> well i mean i like to get the best out of everything
[09:11] <ricosuave17> but unbuntu is a lot more usable
[09:11] <dabaR> ha, very wordy explanation.
[09:12] <signius> hmmm
[09:12] <dabaR> ricosuave17: well, come here when you dont like a package and want to use a rpm, and ask about it.
[09:12] <xkuseme> does anybody know how to get the xeyes window borderless?
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> xeyes r 1337 :D
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> suppose it would depend on your window manager
[09:13] <xkuseme> gnome metacity
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> kde has an xeyes applet for the kicker
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> xsetroot xeyes :D
[09:13] <xkuseme> i got gnome
[09:13] <xkuseme> for gnome?
[09:13] <franck> I have checked firestarter installed files (in Synaptic)
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> it will set xeyes as your background :D
[09:13] <franck> /usr/share/locale/fr
[09:13] <franck> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES
[09:13] <franck> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/firestarter.mo are installed
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> xeyes does start borderless for me
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: actually it won't in gnome
[09:14] <xkuseme> Computer__Guru: not for me? what command?
[09:14] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: nor in OB.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> oh well thats cheap
[09:14] <RQ> franck maybe it runs as a root, and disrespects your locale?
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> actually i doubt it will in kde either, heh
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> firestarter does run as root
[09:15] <RQ> franck well, i dunno actually
[09:15] <franck> RQ : hummm... My locale is set by /etc/environment
[09:15] <RQ> try running it from terminal after ensuring your locale is fr_FR in it :)
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: AFAIK xsetroot only sets colours and gradients anyway
[09:16] <thelow> helloo. does anyone know of any good audio applications suitable for ubuntu?
[09:16] <dabaR> xkuseme: I just made mine have no border
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic:  im pretty sure ive used it to set screensavers int he root window, as well as jpegs.. could be wrong though.. that was ages ago
[09:16] <franck> RQ : I did it. echo $LANGUAGE gives fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en
[09:16] <dabaR> xkuseme: I am in openbox, however.
[09:16] <xkuseme> dabaR: how
[09:17] <visor> is there an id3 tag editor that you use rather than EasyTag?
[09:17] <franck> RQ : and firestarter is still in english
[09:17] <RQ> funny, eh? :)
[09:17] <RQ> echo $LANG
[09:17] <franck> Yes :-
[09:17] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: also, by default in gnome the b'ground is set by nautilus (which I really dislike) so the root window is hidden
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> so set LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr
[09:18] <RQ> not LANGUAGE
[09:18] <RQ> use LANG
[09:18] <alex__> Hello!Can somebody say me a good linux's forum?
[09:18] <dabaR> xkuseme: well, in openbox, you just click on the little box in the top left of the window, and choose decorate
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> thoreauputic:  yeah, i dont use gnome
[09:18] <franck> RQ echo $LANG : fr_FR.UTF8
[09:18] <dabaR> alex__: reword.
[09:18] <RQ> franck OK...
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> en_US.UTF-8
[09:18] <alex__> dabaR: reword? what's reword?
[09:18] <RQ> then it should work...
[09:18] <dabaR> reword your question.
[09:18] <RQ> alex__:forums.ubuntu.com? :))
[09:19] <alex__> RQ: thanks
[09:19] <franck> RQ I'm glad :-)
[09:19] <dabaR> www.ubuntuforums.org I think actually.
[09:19] <dabaR> yes, the other dont work.
[09:21] <Samikira> hey .. I'm looking for this always-unstable-release Grumpy Groundhog ... where can I download it?
[09:21] <RQ> alex__: i seem to have been wrong. use this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums
[09:21] <dabaR> Samikira: what?
[09:21] <dabaR> haha
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Samikira: afaik it doesn't exist (yet)
[09:22] <RQ> :DD
[09:22] <dabaR> nice idea for the new name.
[09:22] <RQ> hmm..
[09:22] <Samikira> when is it "released"?
[09:22] <RQ> he means "itch", i guess? :)
[09:22] <learn25> I have installed PHP4 based on ubuntuguide.org but it deos'nt work. My PHP file is downloaded in my Browser. Anybody can help me configure PHP?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> there was discussion of grumpy some months ago
[09:22] <RQ> or what's the name...
[09:22] <Samikira> so you can just get the normal releases, no developer always-unstable-release?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> Samikira: Breezy is the current dev branch
[09:23] <RQ> Samikira breezy is a developer release now.
[09:23] <thoreauputic> Samikira: and it *is* unstable ;)
[09:23] <dabaR> a developer release sounds ridiculous to me...
[09:23] <RQ> when it becomes stable, there will be something else.
[09:23] <Burgundavia> Samikira, there is no rolled unstable, ala sid
[09:24] <Burgundavia> Samikira, something is planned, but not released yet
[09:24] <dabaR> use linux, and after a while, you dont need distributions to give you an unstable system.
[09:24] <Samikira> okay I see thanx ;)
[09:24] <Samikira> and breezy is available already?
[09:24] <Samikira> should come in Oktober I thought?!
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Samikira: yes, but not recommended :)
[09:25] <thoreauputic> Samikira: see /topic
[09:25] <Samikira> I see thank ya
[09:26] <RQ> Samikira in october it will be stable
[09:26] <RQ> now it's not :)
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> why are people in such a hurry to use breezy
[09:27] <Samikira> yes I know thx
[09:27] <Samikira> *g*
[09:27] <Computer__Guru> hell i probably wont use it for a good 2 months after it comes out just to make sure some arbitrary part of it isnt fubar
[09:27] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: no clue.
[09:27] <aaron__> lo
[09:28] <Samikira> just wanted to get a release where everything is always new and thought this grumpy would fit this picture
[09:28] <dabaR> Computer__Guru: altho I am sure to use it once it comes out.
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> yeah me too
[09:28] <RQ> Computer__Guru ghm
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Computer__Guru: some people enjoy living dangerously I guess :)
[09:28] <Computer__Guru> after other people find all the major bugs :D
[09:28] <RQ> i upgraded to breezy because FF kept crashing for me
[09:28] <RQ> in hoary
[09:28] <aaron__> can I please have the name of a package that will give me an xorg UI for kernel config (aside from xconfig).
[09:29] <dabaR> bah...could you have installed a diff version of FF?
[09:29] <RQ> Computer__Guru it was happening in some specific situation, i think
[09:29] <nldk> Hi
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> i know right.. people act like if it's not all pretty-packaged in a .deb file, it just isnt installable, heh
[09:29] <dabaR> hey nldk ./
[09:29] <Computer__Guru> RQ:  i would imagine
[09:29] <nldk> Does anyone know if ubuntu backport repositories have GPG keys?
[09:30] <dabaR> nldk: I doubt it.
[09:30] <devnull> you can install things that aren't in deb format ? ;)
[09:30] <dabaR> haha
[09:30] <b0ol> hello, does someone know how to change the standard browser to opera from firefox?
[09:30] <nldk> I would like to get rid of these anoying trust messages...
[09:30] <dabaR> well, its not as easy, and there is no reason to do it mostly.
[09:30] <aaron__> can someone please tell me the name of the package to install so that I may use gconfig to configure my kernel?
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> does anybody have a nick-complete script for x-chat that mimics the one in gaim.. i.e. when you enter a couple letters and hit tab, if there's more than one match, it beeps and shows you the possibilities so youc an add a letter or two
[09:30] <aaron__> b0ol: what have you tried so far?
[09:30] <dabaR> aaron__: asked synaptic?
[09:31] <b0ol> erm nothin :x
[09:31] <b0ol> sry
[09:31] <b0ol> =)
[09:31] <aaron__> babaR: Yes it doesn't seem to have any references to it...
[09:31] <b0ol> as is was working with gnome
[09:31] <dabaR> b0ol: well, I know. System>Prefs>Prefd Apps.
[09:31] <dabaR> b0ol: have opera installed?
[09:31] <b0ol> yep
[09:31] <b0ol> 7.54
[09:31] <dabaR> b0ol: well, go click on what I told you.
[09:32] <dabaR> Replace the firefox %s with opera %s
[09:32] <b0ol> dabaR? can you tell me the program's name, i'm working with e17
[09:32] <thelow> i'm having a bit of trouble installing acroread and flash plugin for mozilla (i HAVE installed all the repositories). could someone help me?
[09:32] <epitron> b0ol: actually, do opera -newpage %s
[09:32] <b0ol> k
[09:32] <dabaR> e17 being a window manager?
[09:32] <b0ol> yep
[09:32] <dabaR> thelow: I will help you by telling you not to use acroread.
[09:32] <b0ol> and i dont have the link to 'prefd apps'
[09:32] <b0ol> :/
[09:32] <thelow> fair enough
[09:32] <Computer__Guru> wtf is e17?
[09:33] <b0ol> enlightenment
[09:33] <b0ol> get-e.org
[09:33] <epitron> Computer__Guru: not much of a guru after-all!
[09:33] <b0ol> dabaR: ?
[09:33] <Computer__Guru> oh enlightenment
[09:33] <Computer__Guru> okay
[09:33] <dabaR> b0ol: System>Preferences>Preferred APplications
[09:33] <aaron__> dabaR: b0ol is probably refering to enlightenment, 17 as far as I know is still unstable
[09:33] <b0ol> yes and i do not have this link
[09:33] <b0ol> =)
[09:33] <b0ol> theres no system>preferences>preferred applications =)
[09:33] <thelow> but i'm not able to install any of the examples in the starter guide. do i have to restart after enabling uni/multiverse
[09:33] <dabaR> well, I am gonna look.
[09:34] <b0ol> would you start it please and then tell me the name? so i can start it off from terminal?
[09:34] <b0ol> thanx
[09:34] <epitron> Computer__Guru: if you wanna check out what it looks like in action, watch this -- http://livecd.debianitas.net/screenshots/prueba2.mpg
[09:34] <thoreauputic> thelow: run sudo apt-get update (or reload in synaptic)
[09:35] <thelow> i did that
[09:35] <dabaR> gnome-default-applications-properties
[09:35] <b0ol> a thanks =9
[09:36] <b0ol> www.google.de (test for myself)
[09:37] <b0ol> thanks dabaR  it worked =)
[09:37] <dabaR> b0ol: I am the suck! l33t
[09:37] <dabaR> I am the sucks
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> epitron:  it looks okay, but doesnt look like anything more than it was four years ago, heh
[09:38] <dabaR> I have an ugly scrape on my knee from skateboarding.
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> im going to go make some tea, ill bbiab
[09:40] <EruditeH1rmit> hey, can anyone give me a link to the project status page?
[09:41] <EruditeH1rmit> I forgot where it is
[09:41] <Burgundavia> EruditeH1rmit, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[09:41] <slask3n_> how do i set the root password?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> !root
[09:41] <ubotu> root is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:41] <Burgundavia> slask3n_, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:42] <slask3n_> :)
[09:42] <EruditeH1rmit> Burgundavia: thanks
[09:43] <dabaR> hey, the picture is even uglier than in real life. http://dabar.selfip.org/rana.jpg
[09:43] <dabaR> my scrape^^
[09:43] <thoreauputic> ubotu tell thelow about repositories
[09:44] <s3phirot> Hi
[09:45] <dabaR> hey
[09:45] <Computer__Guru> ubotu tell me about myself
[09:46] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[09:46] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[09:46] <dabaR> ha!
[09:46] <booGaloo> hi, i installed a new version of OpenOffice and i wanted to uninstall the old one, how do I do this?
[09:47] <dabaR> booGaloo: familiar with synaptic?
[09:47] <dabaR> keep it to yourself, guru:)
[09:48] <dabaR> ppl come here and are underage and stuff.
[09:48] <booGaloo> dabar: yeah...but im a little confused...supposedly, it's just gonna remove the package but when I review the changes about to be made, its got stuffs to download and update...which is not what i want
[09:49] <slask3n_> my user is not in the /etc/sudoers, so i cant get any root privelegies.. how can i get root privelegies?
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> dabaR:  if you're old enough to be on irc, you have at least rudementary knowledge of the drug subculture, and seeing someone state that they've sparked a bowl shouldn't be the end of the world :D
[09:49] <dabaR> well, try it, and see what happens. I think it gives you a summary of what it is doing before it does it. If not, use aptitude. sudo aptitude remove openoffice.org
[09:49] <dabaR> slask3n_: is tehre another user with privileges?
[09:49] <Eilonwy05> okay, all... I got a tough question for anybody willing to tackle it.  I recently installed Hoary, got things running fine, had to update to kernel <IP_ADDRESS> in order to compile the latest ATI drivers for my laptop (the stable ones in the repository didn't support my X300)... everything was fine until I swapped out my DVD-ROM/CDRW for a DVD burner... I no longer have any /dev/cdrom* entries...
[09:49] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  see the line in sudoers that says %admins - that pertains to your user
[09:50] <Eilonwy05> I checked to make sure I have SCSI support in the kernel, I do, and sg, sd_mod, and sr_mod are all modules
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  it really sounds like your cdrom isnt setupt he same way the other one was
[09:50] <slask3n_> dabaR, no
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> jumper-wise
[09:50] <dabaR> slask3n_: none whatsoever?
[09:50] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05: make sure it's jumpered and connected exactly as your other one was
[09:51] <slask3n_> dabaR, not unless ubuntu has created an account for itself :P
[09:51] <Eilonwy05> hmmm, didn't think of that -- it works fine in Windoze, so I'm not sure that's the issue
[09:51] <dabaR> slask3n_: well, what happened to the first user?
[09:51] <Computer__Guru> it's worth trying before you go pulling your hair out
[09:51] <slask3n_> dabaR, nothing..
[09:51] <Eilonwy05> I'll try that and see, I'll be back if it doesn't
[09:51] <Eilonwy05> :)
[09:51] <dabaR> slask3n_: where is he?
[09:52] <dabaR> he should have sudo access.
[09:53] <slask3n_> dabaR, i installed ubuntu as server-expert, and created a user called admin and booted up, and it aint added in etcsudeoers it says when i try to sudo
[09:53] <dabaR> so user name is admin?
[09:53] <slask3n_> dabaR, yes
[09:54] <dabaR> ok, slask3n_ assuming you are not hacking this machine(unlikely I guess) go reboot, and booot into some form  of safe mode.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> so, in your case, ubuntu's lack of a root account has really come 'round to bite you ont he ass, huh
[09:54] <dabaR> THat should sign you in as the root into a console.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> safe mode?
[09:54] <learn25> Hi. Anybody here successfully installed and run PHP pages under Ubuntu 5.04? I have installed it but still having problems. ;-(
[09:54] <dabaR> something like that.
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> im confused now
[09:54] <Madpilot> !lamp
[09:54] <dabaR> learn25: are you talking about as server, or as client?
[09:54] <ubotu> lamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[09:54] <slask3n_> dabaR: should i just format or is it fixable? no im not hacking, its a old server i have that i want to test linux as server on so i can learn..
[09:55] <learn25> the server. PHP 4.
[09:55] <learn25> i installed it
[09:55] <Madpilot> learn25: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[09:55] <slask3n_> dabaR: how do i boot into safemode in ubuntu?
[09:55] <dabaR> slask3n_: ya, you should reboot, and choose some form of asfe mode.
[09:55] <learn25> where?
[09:55] <dabaR> cant remember,.
[09:55] <dabaR> you have to boot, and select the grub option that means that.
[09:55] <dabaR> lets look at your menu.lst
[09:55] <slask3n_> ok =)
[09:55] <slask3n_> 2 sec
[09:55] <Madpilot> learn25: see ubotu's post about two above my last one
[09:56] <dabaR> it is called recovery mode.
[09:56] <learn25> ok
[09:56] <learn25> thanks
[09:56] <dabaR> ok, well good luck
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> i wonder if laszlo has a platformless implication yet
[09:56] <dabaR> you should be root once you boot that.
[09:56] <Computer__Guru> they were working on that
[09:56] <slask3n_> dabaR, its a slow computer, so it takes a while to boot..
[09:56] <dabaR> and then add your user to sudoers file, or admin group if it is a hoary insatll.
[09:57] <dabaR> slask3n_: well, cant helo you there.
[09:57] <visor> anybody has a samba share mounting on boot time and got it working?
[09:58] <dabaR> visor: yes many, looked at the wiki about samba?
[09:58] <visor> dabaR: no, let me see but i dont think it will help
[09:58] <slask3n_> dabaR: "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386 (recovery mode)" in GRUB i guess? yes its hoary and i just add it in visudo, so can i fix it later if i need to
[09:58] <joevandyk> How can I get my wireless nic to be activated on boot?
[09:58] <dabaR> go look at wiki.ubuntu.com and search for samba
[09:59] <joevandyk> I always have to go to the network manager and activate it.
[09:59] <Eilonwy05> hmmmm... it's not a jumper issue with the optical drives -- there *are* no jumpers on either drive.  These are going in a laptop, btw, proprietary interface on a Dell Inspiron 9300
[09:59] <visor> dabaR: could you point me the URL please? of the wiki for course
[09:59] <dabaR> slask3n_: yes, looks about right. in hoary, you dont need to edit the sudoers file. Just add the user to the admin group, I believe.
[09:59] <Madpilot> visor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:59] <dabaR> visor: my post uup there has a link.
[10:00] <visor> oh i just found it, thanks
[10:00] <wizo> hmmm, my apache doesnt have error logs or anything
[10:00] <Computer__Guru> Applications that provide data integration via XML over HTTP may be deployed SOLO (Standalone OpenLaszlo Output) from any HTTP Web server. This capability dramatically simplifies deployment and reduces serving costs.
[10:00] <Computer__Guru> w00t
[10:00] <slask3n_> dabaR: how do i do that? its console and ive only added users in the graphical tools
[10:01] <Computer__Guru> looks like laszlo is gonna be worth having a look at again :)
[10:01] <visor> dabaR: i thought so, there is no info, or not enough
[10:01] <dabaR> sudo adduser admin username
[10:01] <dabaR> I believe, it should be that.
[10:01] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  oh, i dont know
[10:01] <macintoshr> does anyone know if there is a quake port for linux that works under ubuntu?
[10:01] <macintoshr> quake 1?
[10:01] <slask3n_> ok, thanks alot =)
[10:01] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  lspci
[10:01] <visor> dabaR: thing is that mounting with smbmount works but not within fstab
[10:02] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  or dmesg | grep -i ide
[10:02] <slask3n_> but arent ubuntu more secure than this?? what if one of my friends discover this? :s
[10:02] <Computer__Guru> discover what?
[10:03] <slask3n_> dabaR: are there any wy to disable the recovery mode, or at least password protect it some way
[10:03] <dabaR> visor: fix your entry in fstab.
[10:03] <visor> man this samba thing is just a hell, its just a bunch of problems like anything else that has to do with "please support the other OSes things/codecs"
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> smbmount doesnt work within fstab?? what about type smbfs
[10:03] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: the recovery mode in GRUB during boot, that gives you root privelegies
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> visor:  actually it's much MORE frustrating than most anything else :D
[10:03] <visor> dabaR: its ok, the line its just ok, but it seems that the options about codepage and charset are not respected, so it mounts but without the right codepage
[10:03] <dabaR>  set a boot password:)
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  you can set a password iny our grub config file
[10:04] <visor> Computer__Guru: yes it is, samba has always given me headaches
[10:04] <alex1221> hi. has anyone an idea how i can let start my ubuntu its vncserver from startup, so i can write my username and password though vnc to login the computer and work with that without to be at the computer?
[10:04] <visor> im going for NFS, i think is safer and i dont really want to have windows network support
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  then your friends would need to know the password before they could do anything more than select a simple menu entry
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> alex1221:  man vncserver
[10:05] <anacron> alex1221: i think ubuntu does start vnc from startup automaticly
[10:05] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i want to boot the computer as normal, but i want password if they want to enter the grub menu.. is that wha it does?
[10:05] <Eilonwy05> Computer__Guru: Am I wrong, or doesn't Hoary use libata to treat all ide devices as scsi?  I already checked dmesg output, it detects my ide HDD as sda, at SCSI address 0,0,0... but no mention of my optical drive
[10:05] <alex1221> :) yes it starts only AFTER i entered the username and password
[10:05] <Computer__Guru> Eilonwy05:  if its a standard atapi drive it should just work.. i hate to say this but maybe reset your config data in the laptop bios
[10:06] <dabaR> later
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  i dont know about grub. but i know this is functionality that lilo has
[10:06] <visor> that is the kind of things that makes users run away from windows
[10:06] <visor> from linux i mean
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> visor:  are you still on about samba?
[10:06] <visor> having to read 6 days trough 200 forums just to share a directory
[10:06] <wizo> hmm, i cant seem to access my apache logs, i get the error: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :78 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs
[10:06] <visor> Computer__Guru: yep, still
[10:07] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: whats best of lilo and grub anyway? always wondered..
[10:07] <joevandyk> slask3n_, grub seems to be more popular now.
[10:07] <joevandyk> slask3n_, no idea why though.  i always preferred lilo.  simpler
[10:07] <Computer__Guru> grub supports reiserfs, dont know that lilo does, as i usually use ext3.. but from what i gather its a preference thing.. i prefer lilo, cause im comfortable with it
[10:07] <Eilonwy05> slask3n_: grub usually plays nicer with windows, and doesn't need reconfigure after a new kernel
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> plays nicer with windows?
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> ever
[10:08] <visor> Computer__Guru: its not a complain, i just can add a little script at startup that mounts the damn share with the smbmount command, and im done, but not everybody knows about all of this, and if i wasnt a geek i would probably been running by know from linux because i could accomplish something
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[10:08] <joevandyk> I'm using Hoary 64 bit... in what repository is the DVD playback decss stuff?
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> visor:  mount -t smbfs /network/share /local/place
[10:09] <joevandyk> and does transcode not work in 64 bit mode?  I don't see it in there
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> backports
[10:09] <visor> Computer__Guru: i know, that is not the problem
[10:09] <Computer__Guru> !backports
[10:09] <ubotu> somebody said backports was http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[10:10] <Computer__Guru> what's the problem, then?  :P but if its much trouble while changing kernel i think grub is better.. i used lilo on mandrake, but that was the first distro i ever used, so i almost was too n00b to understand what it even was :P
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> visor:  i agree. best bet is that script you were on about
[10:11] <ricosuave17> is there a package for mysql?
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[10:11] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: apt-get install mysql
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> mysql
[10:11] <visor> Computer__Guru: yeah, ir switching to NFS which i think will work easier than this samba-for-gods-and-masters-of-universe thing
[10:11] <ricosuave17> it says there is none
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> nfs mmmmmmm
[10:11] <Computer__Guru> nfs is good
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> you can nfs mount /etc if u want :D
[10:12] <visor> Computer__Guru: but yet, my complain is about that this kind of things get away users from linux
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> pretty much anything except /boot
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> heh
[10:12] <visor> Computer__Guru: because most people dont know about this codepage things, permissions, charsets, etc...
[10:12] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: do you have synaptic? serach for mysql there
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> heh
[10:12] <Computer__Guru> well
[10:12] <visor> Computer__Guru: those are just too many options to figure it out, its not practical
[10:13] <thor|away> ricosuave17: apt-cache search mysql | less
[10:13] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: the packagename is mysql-server and mysql-client
[10:13] <joevandyk> I need to update Ruby to a non-broken version.  What's the best way to do it?
[10:13] <joevandyk> Just download, compile and install?
[10:13] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: you need apache & other stuff to run mysql
[10:13] <Computer__Guru> mount with nfs works pretty well.. ive seen entire networks run so beautifully via nfs.. and everything is setup so that you change one configuration detail and it propogates network-wide instantly
[10:14] <Computer__Guru> if you know how to set one of those up right
[10:14] <visor> Computer__Guru: my brother is always complaining, because i have blocked windows from grub so he has to use linux, but he says that why if i say that linux is so good im always reading and taking tons of time to do something that is trivial for him
[10:14] <ricosuave17> well then what is the open alternative for databases?
[10:14] <Computer__Guru> you will never be poor :)
[10:14] <mf_> hi ! What is the name of the partitionning tool that Is used during the install? I'd have some other things to change..
[10:14] <visor> mf_: fdisk, but you can always use something more user-friendly, like gparted, kind of partition magic
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> visor:  i'd rather have some clue as to what im actually doing.. that's worth the few minutes required to learn what youre doing
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> cfdisk is nice
[10:15] <mf_> I can't see a way to set mountpoints with gparted
[10:16] <mf_> I am not very familiar with the fstab.. under mandrake I would use diskdrake but here.. i'm lost
[10:16] <visor> Computer__Guru: yep, im applying for software engineering for example, i like to mess with this things, but people like my brother, they dont give a darn about this fascnicating world of technology, for them its frustrating, and this is not only in linux, is on any os
[10:16] <Madpilot> ricosuave17: apache & everything else *is* opensource. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[10:16] <visor> mf_: than if you are a bit lost with gparted than run away from fdisk as its harder to use :P
[10:16] <slask3n_> Madpilot: you dont need apache just to run an mysql database
[10:16] <ricosuave17> no all i want is to make a database
[10:17] <Computer__Guru> visor:  yeah, but take into account that microsoft has raised an entire generation of users who do not even know how to navigate a filesystem. and i dont just mean cli, some of them don't know anything exists beyond "My Documents" on their computer by way of files they can get to
[10:17] <mf_> visor: I dont believe it was fdisk because it had a ncurses interface
[10:17] <Madpilot> slask3n_: no? OK, sorry. still learning all that stuff myself
[10:17] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: apt-get install mysql-server and it will fix the rest itself
[10:17] <ricosuave17> but i dont want mysql-server anymore its to much shit\
[10:18] <visor> mf_: it was fdisk with a frontend i think
[10:18] <slask3n_> Madpilot: apache is an webserver, if you want to host webpages that connects to the mysql database you nedd apache
[10:18] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: what shit?
[10:18] <Computer__Guru> mf_:  that was a scripted frontend to fdisk or maybe cfdisk. it was part of the install script
[10:19] <mf_> ok
[10:19] <ricosuave17> the mysql server
[10:19] <mf_> Now is there another way to set my mount points than editing fstab ?
[10:19] <holycow> Computer__Guru, good point, i would like to add that that in and of it self is not their biggest evil
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> yeah, you setup /etc/fstab manually after you create the partition and filesystem on it
[10:19] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: what do you want to do?
[10:19] <visor> Computer__Guru: yeah, i know, and much of the blame i give it to patents and formats and things like that, people in linux for example always complain about samba, mp3 support, wmv support, and the like, if we just encouraged to use things natively like ogg, nfs, theora and so forth, then we may be out of trouble, or at least we would had a lot less problems than we do now
[10:19] <ricosuave17> make a simple database
[10:19] <holycow> their biggest evil commited is teaching users that they can be 'administrators' without training
[10:20] <holycow> as such as long as a user understands they are just a user, they shouldn't know what a file system is really imho
[10:20] <visor> mf_: you want to add a partition? or what? (like adding it to fstab for mounting it and accessing it)
[10:20] <holycow> >_>
[10:20] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: what is the database to be used for? is it going to be big?
[10:20] <ricosuave17> nop small as hell
[10:20] <mf_> I have lot of partitions that I'd like to mount
[10:21] <visor> mf_: than you will have to add them manually...
[10:21] <visor> you see
[10:21] <visor> thats the kind of thing
[10:21] <visor> a user should be doing
[10:21] <visor> adding partitions to mount them
[10:21] <visor> if the installer found partitions it should at least ask to add them to the fstab
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> it's not about US encouraging oggvorbis, xvid, nfs, and the likes... WE do. It's about getting the COMMERCIAL computing world to accept these as standards (we know they already are, but if we call it http and microsoft arbitrarily decides to call theirs mac-and-cheese with a couple changes, we better have our own brand of mac-and-cheese if we want to stay competitive int he world
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> )
[10:21] <slask3n_> ricosuave17: if it is going to be REAL small the best might be making an XML-database, i have no idea of how to do so, but ive heard its possible..
[10:22] <ricosuave17> ok werid
[10:22] <holycow> Computer__Guru, good point
[10:23] <visor> and its not because if windows does one thing, we should have it too, no, but yet we still need abstraction from the core to the final user
[10:23] <Computer__Guru> it doesn't matter how much we like xvid and use it, as long as microsoft decides to stick with wmv9, we better be able to support it and support it well if we're talking to anyone anywhere about them maybe running a media streaming site
[10:23] <holycow> Computer__Guru, we will NEVER be able to support it freely
[10:23] <holycow> its not going to happen
[10:24] <IceDC571> i am so happy to be back in ubuntu
[10:24] <holycow> ms believes that intellectual property exists and wants to charge for it
[10:24] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  someone COULD write a codec from scratch, then it would be open :)
[10:24] <IceDC571> i just switched back from fedora
[10:24] <holycow> i.e. we may be able to put together a player where the codec is licenced
[10:24] <holycow> something we can sell linux users
[10:24] <holycow> BUT
[10:24] <holycow> as lindows found out, you cannot actually licence all of wmv technology
[10:25] <holycow> they tried and ms basically said you cant licence it because it is 'part of the os' and they don't licence out the os
[10:25] <visor> for example, imagine distro makers putting effort on nfs for the desktop to have easy share features, leaving support (or at least leaving bug tracking) to the maintainers of samba, because samba is mainly a thing that is decided from MS, which is not bad, the bad is that as long as we dont control the standard we always have to watch changes and adapt them
[10:25] <IceDC571> if i had two words to descibe ubuntu, it would be.. everything works
[10:25] <Computer__Guru> at least not for third party apps as such
[10:26] <holycow> Computer__Guru, in other words, a: they wont let us, and b: you will never be able to reverse engineer the protected stuff legally anyway even if we try
[10:26] <visor> and yes, we need more enterprise support to reach all of the points
[10:26] <Computer__Guru> and the price of licensing windows would defeat the existance of lindows :D
[10:26] <holycow> thats the point, exactly
[10:26] <Computer__Guru> IceDC571:  as long as you dont fuck with it :D
[10:26] <Computer__Guru> trust me, youc an break stuff :D:D
[10:26] <holycow> as would any other technology they setup as a 'moat' around their little kingdom
[10:27] <visor> but theres still many things that can be done and that dont have much to do with patents
[10:27] <Computer__Guru> yeah well screw em.. even the precompiled, wuss-codecs mplayer package plays wmv, it just bitches a little
[10:27] <holycow> visor, you might want to note that samba4 is supposed to supercede its original vision .... going from 'ms tranlsator' to 'general purpose file sharing platform'
[10:27] <IceDC571> Computer__Guru: after all these years, i hate fedora.. i swear it has a magnet pulling me in every year
[10:27] <holycow> one that could theoretically sit on top of all platforms to let them interoperate
[10:27] <Computer__Guru> i hate anything rpm based
[10:28] <holycow> an idea i like in concept, because i never understood why we ever bother to reverse engineer ms stuff
[10:28] <slask3n_> fucking M$ not only do they patent everything but they dont even make their software complete before releasing it! :s they have understood that you earn more money if you make it halfway and realease it, and then update it online the next 10 years, until they release another version, then people must buy it because the old one is so crappy...
[10:28] <visor> like the distro finding partitions and automagically mounting them, finding network resources (like smb, nfs...), better search tools
[10:28] <IceDC571> first time i tried installing fedora core 4, the installation always crashed i found out the problem was it crashes on any P4 socket 423 chips.. so i bought a new board and cpu just to install fedora
[10:29] <wizo> lol
[10:29] <joevandyk> Will Breezy support OO 2?
[10:29] <wizo> wanna donate the oldone ot me?
[10:29] <IceDC571> now i dont like fedora at all, i cant install anything properly, have to recompile the kernel just for a driver
[10:29] <holycow> visor, i think skipping entire groups of ms technologies and 'innovating' around and over top of them is better
[10:29] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  because the laws around reverse engineering are written in washable marker at best... clever use of lawyers can go a long ways towards forming an interpretation as to what reverse engineering is, and how many different ways you didnt do exactly that :D
[10:29] <holycow> for example i was recently consulting for a company that wanted to put together a music store
[10:29] <holycow> never mind the stupidity of the idea, but in the end, they had to go with ms drm BECAUSE there wasnt a viable alternative
[10:30] <holycow> if they had a cross platform open source a la carte system to purchase, it would of been a done deal
[10:30] <visor> we linux users always criticize windows, and for example i have found that, if you install packageA.deb and it has 20 deps than when you come back and uninstall packageA then all deps are left, i know i can use this aptitude thing, yet again it is not integrated by default, and it is not easy to use
[10:30] <IceDC571> wizo: it was actually not too bad of a computer, a pentium 4 1.7ghz, ive had no problems with it
[10:30] <Computer__Guru> visor:  bravo.
[10:30] <wizo> holly mamamia
[10:30] <holycow> visor, how is apt not easy to use?
[10:30] <holycow> that is a truly stupid observation
[10:30] <wizo> IceDC571: wanna donate it to me? im running on 900MHz
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> visor:  but you can bet your ass ScreenSaverOfTheWeek.Exe leaves it's libraries behind when you 86 it, too
[10:31] <visor> holycow: my friends do not want to be reading man pages, its just not practical, they are users
[10:31] <holycow> visor, what does haveto do with leaving libraries behind?
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> visor:  *I* am a user.
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> nothing more
[10:31] <visor> Computer__Guru: i know, thats why i said like windows
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> im an end user
[10:31] <visor> Computer__Guru: windows does this
[10:31] <IceDC571> wizo: where are you at? have any money? i wont ask for much
[10:31] <wizo> im in melbourne
[10:31] <visor> Computer__Guru: and so linux distros, most of them
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> windows [xp]  does a hell of a lot, these days
[10:31] <holycow> visor, no it doesn't
[10:31] <holycow> heh
[10:31] <Computer__Guru> xp is flat-out solid
[10:32] <wizo> lolx, but i only have a laptop
[10:32] <holycow> have you ever had to clean a windows box?
[10:32] <IceDC571> wizo: australia??
[10:32] <Computer__Guru> i just prefer linux
[10:32] <wizo> so even if i get a new mobo and a cpu i wont be able to use it
[10:32] <wizo> IceDC571: yeh Melbourne, Australia
[10:32] <holycow> if you think linux is bad you really have never maintained windows for a living, i'm guessing
[10:32] <Computer__Guru> ive maintained both :)
[10:32] <IceDC571> ack, shipping must be a lot.. sorry, i really dont want to bother paying for it
[10:32] <Computer__Guru> for fun and for a living
[10:33] <wizo> haha i kow
[10:33] <Computer__Guru> heh
[10:33] <wizo> IceDC571: where u at?
[10:33] <visor> holycow: then how do you explain to me, that if i install something, say in 2 months installed 10 packages which took 100mb but it happens that when i uninstall them my disk has less space than i had initially, thats because dependencies arent uninstalled by default
[10:33] <visor> and i swear im not trolling
[10:33] <IceDC571> wizo: im in california
[10:33] <visor> i love linux
[10:33] <wizo> O.O
[10:33] <Computer__Guru> neither are dependencies in windows
[10:33] <holycow> visor, why are you so hung up on shared libraries and dependencies?
[10:33] <visor> have 8 years using it
[10:33] <LiberalTugboat> hey can I get a favor from you guys
[10:33] <holycow> how does that impact your computer use in any way?
[10:33] <wizo> IceDC571: lol, yur like on the other side of the earth
[10:33] <Computer__Guru> LiberalTugboat:  whats up?
[10:34] <holycow> hard drives are so cheap as we move forward its a moot question
[10:34] <holycow> its okay i'm just answering you :)
[10:34] <visor> holycow: in space, not everybody has 200gb disk
[10:34] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  well, by way of the registry, it can slow things down quite a bit to have a bunch of shit registered that isnt being used anymore
[10:34] <LiberalTugboat> I was just wanting someone with an nvidia video card to post their xorg.conf
[10:34] <holycow> visor, have you ever managed to clean out all the registry and all the dlls and crap dropped into all the windows folders?
[10:34] <Computer__Guru> LiberalTugboat:  oh. im ati, sorry
[10:34] <IceDC571> wizo: yeah seriously. so whats the weather like over there?
[10:34] <holycow> not everything is in /programs on a windows box you know?
[10:34] <visor> holycow: no, because i dont like to use windows :P
[10:34] <LiberalTugboat> I am using fedora on one of my boxes and I want to configure it right
[10:35] <visor> holycow: but that is exactly what i mean, its not what windows does, its not like "hey but windows has this too"
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> dont worry my laptop is ubuntu
[10:35] <Computer__Guru> nothing at all is in /programs, but a good deal of it is in %SYSTEMROOT%\Progra~1\
[10:35] <holycow> visor, i don't get the complaint them, what am i missing?
[10:35] <wizo> IceDC571: its currently winter here, pretty chilly due to the wind chill factor, what about cali?
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> though I will say with the new 2.6.12 kernel on FC4 it is SUPER FAST!!
[10:36] <Tomcat_> About topic: How is Firefox broken?
[10:36] <Computer__Guru> or c:\Program Files\ for most windows users
[10:36] <visor> holycow: see, windows has problems with registry, dependencies and the like ok?
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> Tomcat_, firefox is broken 18 ways from saturday
[10:36] <benplaut> Tomcat_: the 1.06 update in backports was broken
[10:36] <visor> holycow: but that is no reason for saying that if a linux distro have them, then its ok because windows does too
[10:36] <Computer__Guru> my firefox works just fine
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> closes unexpectidly
[10:36] <joevandyk> Openoffice is pretty broken for 64 bit, right?
[10:36] <holycow> and the fact that everything on windows is simply wrong, okay ...
[10:36] <Tomcat_> Mine works fine as well... o_O
[10:37] <Computer__Guru> simply wrong?
[10:37] <LiberalTugboat> my firefox wont download when you left click on links
[10:37] <holycow> visor, i think you need to rethink how you do your platform comparisons
[10:37] <Tomcat_> I had that "close unexpectedly"... :I
[10:37] <Tomcat_> Oh well, still usable.
[10:37] <Computer__Guru> windows is fine, it's who uses it that determines the overall experience
[10:37] <holycow> first, windows was designed in the 80's on an adhoc basis
[10:37] <LiberalTugboat> I have heard of people with crashing
[10:37] <visor> and so if windows do have deps problems, registry, virus, adware etc... it doesnt mean we should make a solution for dependencies in linux (which are, of course, easier to fix than in windows)
[10:37] <ploum> Hello
[10:37] <holycow> they added stuff to it as the market demanded
[10:37] <ploum> can someone point me to the detailled Ubuntu roadmap please ?
[10:37] <holycow> unix on the other hand was designed in a lab by proffesors and theoreticians
[10:38] <holycow> which is why its 30 plus years old without a lot of change, it didn't need to change
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> ploum... new release every six months
[10:38] <visor> holycow: maybe i didnt make myself clear, sorry but english is not my main language :P
[10:38] <IceDC571> wizo: that is strange.. winter in july, eh? its the opposite here, we are at about 100F degrees.. which is like insanely hott
[10:38] <Computer__Guru> wtf is a theoretician?!?
[10:38] <Computer__Guru> u made that shit up
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> that means April and October
[10:38] <holycow> windows dependency issues are therefore not the same as linux based dependency issues
[10:38] <ploum> LiberalTugboat, the detailled please. With freeze date, beta release, etc...
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> umm
[10:38] <holycow> i.e. all you are really saying is why doesn't apt track the extraneous libraries
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> there is one in the wiki
[10:39] <holycow> which is an okay thing to complain about, but in reality it has 0 impact because it's not a problem
[10:39] <holycow> you can always remove them manually if you want
[10:39] <LiberalTugboat> its under the "breezygoals" page
[10:39] <holycow> super simple, one installer, one package, one way to do things
[10:39] <LiberalTugboat> though I dont think there is to many "solid dates"
[10:39] <holycow> i'm certain if someone wanted to, they can extend synaptic to track this, or apt
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> eh
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> its a word
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> DRAT! FOILED ONCE AGAIN
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> holycow, with shared dependencies if there is a security flaw then one patch can fix every program on your system
[10:40] <holycow> but the reality of the situation is that on a unix system, a) its not a big deal b) hard drive spaces are so cheap it doesnt matter c) they don't really affect anything because the system is robust so leaving them really doesn't affect things (where on windows it usually does)
[10:40] <visor> holycow: what i only mean is, that linux in general has this problem, you install a package, dependencies are installed too, then when the packages gets uninstalled dependencies are left behind, i dont know you but my synaptic by default doesnt this, and i know aptitude does it, and using apt-get, dselect or whatever command line tool does it too, but if i was a user that is not a geek i would know this dependencies are left there, and my
[10:40] <visor>  disk would be full of them
[10:40] <thespiritoftal> is there any way I can open *.rar archives in linux?
[10:40] <holycow> and the most impotant one is what LiberalTugboat
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> if you have all dependecies packages with each program that you have to update every program that has the library
[10:40] <visor> and it was only an example
[10:41] <parabolize> visor, use aptitude
[10:41] <holycow> visor, the reason we use shared dependencies is that when its shared a problem can be fixed with one change to the whole system
[10:41] <holycow> yor complaint therefore is completely invalid
[10:41] <Computer__Guru> thing is what if i install package a which requires library b then i install package c which also requires library b, what if i then remove package a? will it also remove library b?
[10:41] <EdLin> visor, install deborphan
[10:41] <holycow> visor, what i'm saying is that its not a problem
[10:41] <visor> parabolize: i can, ill do, but many people wont because its not the way to go
[10:41] <holycow> you just think its a problem because your used to using windows
[10:41] <visor> holycow: no, im more used to linux by know believe me
[10:41] <LiberalTugboat> visor, it also lowers resourse usage
[10:42] <visor> holycow: how many years you been using unix/linux?
[10:42] <holycow> probably not as long as you :) don't mistake my enthusiasm for more than that
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> static libraries is NOT the fix for dependecy problems
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> following LSB is the solution
[10:42] <holycow> right i agree
[10:42] <thespiritoftal> is there anyway to open rar archive in linux?
[10:43] <wizo> thespiritoftal: tar
[10:43] <Computer__Guru> by now, not by know (now, a point in time referring to this instance, and know, understanding and familiarity with something. Know is also biblical slang for marital-relations.)
[10:43] <wizo> err i mean
[10:43] <Burgundavia> LiberalTugboat, the lsb is not a panacea
[10:43] <visor> holycow: no, i just asked to let you know that im not a windows fan, i have many years using linux, if id be frustrated i wont be using it in this very moment
[10:43] <wizo> gzip
[10:43] <EdLin> thespiritoftal, unrar
[10:43] <holycow> thespiritoftal, you can also install rar and unrar, then the file roller can open them up
[10:43] <LiberalTugboat> Burgundavia, yeah but it is a very good start
[10:43] <Computer__Guru> every time adam knew eve, they spit out another kid
[10:43] <holycow> visor, *nod* :) me too, i've been using it 100% of the time for over a year now
[10:44] <holycow> 2 to 3 years total use
[10:44] <wizo> hmm, im reading the man for apache 2, and at the bottom of the man it lists out the files that i do nto have
[10:44] <LiberalTugboat> trying to get distros to work together and with each other is the MOST IMPORTANT thing that linux needs right now
[10:44] <wizo> for example: /usr/local/apache2/conf/apache2.conf
[10:44] <holycow> i switched everything to linux, although occasionally i haveto bring up dreamweaver and adobe products under vmware
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> LiberalTugboat:  they do.
[10:44] <LiberalTugboat> we have the technology and the resources, but they need to work together
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> vmware pwnz
[10:44] <visor> and in those years it has evolved just incredibly fast but yet it has its misfeatures
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> xp inside linux
[10:45] <holycow> visor, i don't see any misfeatures at all
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> and like visor, i only use it for a macromedia product :D
[10:45] <holycow> imho 'gnome' is doing everythign right
[10:45] <visor> holycow: for example, do you know what gnome-vfs is?
[10:45] <holycow> for example, the places file system shortcut in 2.10 is beyond brilliant
[10:45] <desrt> holycow; aren't you at all worried that gnome isn't stetic enough?
[10:45] <holycow> yep
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> but mine is fireworks
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> dreamweaver runs under crossover office :D
[10:45] <benplaut> LiberalTugboat: here here!
[10:45] <Computer__Guru> and runs well
[10:45] <benplaut> yup
[10:45] <holycow> desrt, aesthetic you mean?  i just add a theme, i don't see the problem
[10:45] <desrt> holycow; no.  i mean stetic :)
[10:46] <parabolize> holycow, bahh, I still hate metacity and nautilus desktop icons.
[10:46] <visor> holycow: well it works only on about 4 apps within gnome, i know this is a developer thing, but the user dont give a damn whose fault is
[10:46] <desrt> google it :P
[10:46] <benplaut> doesn't help with the fact that i can't figure out the program, but anyway
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> parabolize, icons is not the point
[10:46] <Computer__Guru> i need a burrito
[10:46] <Computer__Guru> i shall return
[10:46] <holycow> visor, oh well thats because this is still under development
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> thats just skining and look
[10:46] <visor> holycow: and about the places its great, but if i want to add some bookmark i have to open the text editor or some program to add it from the gtk-file-selector, that, isnt practical
[10:46] <holycow> yeah sure i can point to lots of things too, but all that is being worked on as we progress
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> what he means is the underlying compents of gnome
[10:47] <desrt> "KDE is more stable, stetic, fully multitasking and much, much more."
[10:47] <holycow> my pet peeve is not having a dialog to let the user pick the monitor make and model so correct refresh rates can be determined without jumping to xorg.conf
[10:47] <holycow> but that is being worked on too
[10:47] <benplaut> think of how great Linux would be if all of the developers only worked on 4 versions
[10:47] <holycow> visor, i open an app, i open a file select, hit add, i don't see that as a problem
[10:47] <benplaut> with all interconnection, so it's easy to switch from one to another
[10:47] <holycow> visor, your looking at the glass as half empty
[10:48] <aspro> benplaut dont bother going there
[10:48] <joevandyk> Is breezy going to come with OpenOffice 2.0?
[10:48] <aspro> :)
[10:48] <benplaut> one geeky, one new-userish, one serverm and one enterprise
[10:48] <visor> holycow: i left my brother on the other machine, he wanted to listen to his music so he opens rhythmbox which crashes when loading the files, i told him to open xmms, and it wont open files trhough the network because it doesnt have vfs support so i have to mount manually the share where the files lay....
[10:48] <holycow> visor, i look at all of this and go 'holy shit it's free! and hey i can hire someone to code things up for me! i can submit patches! i can particapate'
[10:48] <benplaut> aspro: i know... i will be flamed
[10:48] <benplaut> i could care less
[10:48] <holycow> visor, your fault
[10:48] <holycow> heh
[10:48] <visor> holycow: i know, this is more than i deserve for free ;)
[10:48] <holycow> :) never ever let anyone use rhythm box
[10:48] <benplaut> it's Linux's greatest flaw
[10:48] <holycow> have him use muine or beep media player
[10:48] <benplaut> it can't consolidate
[10:49] <holycow> benplaut, for people that need a 'god' to tell them how to do things or how it ought to be, there is always steve jobs or bill gates
[10:49] <holycow> one CAN choose to submit to their way
[10:49] <Tirno> hi all. where should I look to find out how to get my firefox back to a non-segfaulting state?
[10:49] <visor> holycow: and im not a ungrateful bas....rd, i have given away money to make talks about free software, really, much money, i have installed linux on schools, report bugs, and so on, so i dont feel like i dont deserve it ;)
[10:49] <holycow> or one CAN choose to denounce submission to a third party and take responsobility that it entails
[10:50] <holycow> which basically means you take responsobility for the fact that I DON'T agree with any of your choices, the very reason that freedom will never mean 'consolidate'
[10:50] <aspro> holycow: it appears you are too far away form the RDF please mover a little closer :P
[10:50] <desrt> Tirno; you mean wrt. extensions?
[10:50] <benplaut> holycow: i know... i know... i'm just thinking how much more usccessful it would be with all the devs working on 4 or 5 distros
[10:50] <visor> i hope this is seen as a chat rather than fighting ;)
[10:50] <holycow> visor, not saying otherwise :) you are right, its not a polished product, i don't see why linux has to compete with ms or osx
[10:51] <holycow> whats with everyones fascination with marketshare? who care?
[10:51] <holycow> let ma and pa use windows
[10:51] <holycow> it just means we have permanent jobs
[10:51] <benplaut> and let a single generation use linux?
[10:51] <benplaut> we need growth, for the time being
[10:51] <visor> holycow: well maybe thats the difference, i want linux on the desktop, for all the people, and well you dont seem to mind about it :P
[10:51] <holycow> i have a pilot of debian in a few of our offices, you know what i discovered? after 2 weeks i get no phone calls.  linux will kill the tech support industry
[10:51] <desrt> ma and pa should use linux
[10:52] <aspro> holycow: its because open source is like a religion now.. people need to evangelise
[10:52] <aspro> :P
[10:52] <benplaut> not really...
[10:52] <CarinArr> hey, probably the wrong channel, but thought i'd ask anyway. I'm running ubuntu, some of my applications are based on motif, is there any way to customise their look & feel? They look pretty ugly and chunky atm
[10:52] <holycow> aspro, something as diverse as open source will never be a religion
[10:52] <benplaut> we need to spread, but not to a point of making people think we're fanatics :P
[10:52] <LiberalTugboat> hey.. can some one with an Nvidia VC paste their xorg.conf for me?
[10:52] <desrt> CarinArr; i think some motif stuff can be customised with Xresources
[10:52] <visor> CarinArr: i dont think so, they are basically ugly because motif is
[10:52] <holycow> aspro, one of the defining things about open source for newbs is how overwhelmingly disparate the choices and opinions are
[10:52] <Tirno> desrt: don't know exactly. I did an update/upgrade two days ago and now firefox segfaults when I try to close tabs/open the extension dialog
[10:52] <Computer__Guru> mmmm burritos
[10:52] <holycow> the first complaint from a newb is 'why doesn't anyone agree?'
[10:53] <benplaut> Computer__Guru: join the discussion :)
[10:53] <visor> hahaha
[10:53] <aspro> holycow: yes? uh what
[10:53] <desrt> CarinArr; but really, i think you can only make it "pink and ugly" instead of "grey and ugly" :)
[10:53] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:53] <Tirno> but this only started yesterday - so I don't know whether it's linked to the broken-ness
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> whats the discussion? same as it was when i went to cook>?
[10:53] <desrt> Tirno; lots of people have this problem.  install backports :)
[10:53] <CarinArr> i read on a board that changing the look and feel was the easiest thing in the world, but noone indicated how;)
[10:53] <aspro> holycow: basically its about open or nick off :P
[10:53] <desrt> Tirno; ya.  the latest upgrade of firefox was bogus
[10:53] <CarinArr> desrt, ah k..
[10:53] <LiberalTugboat> Im fiddling with my xorg.conf on fedora and I want to see ubuntus xorg.conf (it works well on my system)
[10:53] <desrt> Tirno; you can wait for the next one or go with backports
[10:53] <holycow> aspro, heh no, see, we disagree already!
[10:53] <holycow> so much for religion
[10:53] <visor> but if we have this "hey you dont like to read a 6mb pdf ebook to admin your linux box? then go away where you came from" then say goodbye to people using free software
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; are you comfortable enough to modify your sources.list?
[10:54] <aspro> holycow: man, i was joking duh
[10:54] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:54] <Tirno> desrt: yeah I can do that
[10:54] <Tirno> although I don't know what a backport is
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; go to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:54] <oatis> there are a few things I cant get via apt, like the mysql-query-browser package, why is this/
[10:54] <holycow> me too! i promise never to become a standup
[10:54] <holycow> -_-
[10:54] <visor> CarinArr: you want to change the motif apps look?
[10:54] <Tirno> k thanks
[10:54] <allerbest> Hi.
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; add the two lines at the bottom of the page to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:54] <holycow> visor, your categorizing it wrong imho
[10:54] <desrt> Tirno; it'll update to newer versions of lots of programs...  including a working firefox
[10:55] <holycow> visor, i think there are two types of users, admin and user
[10:55] <visor> holycow: why do you think that?
[10:55] <holycow> an admin requires training, a user doesn't
[10:55] <visor> holycow: aha, and then?
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> visor thats a crock
[10:55] <CarinArr> visor, yeah
[10:55] <aspro> holycow: way to simplified :P
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> if my MOM can installa nd run linux, ANYBODY can
[10:55] <LiberalTugboat> has anyone else here read the README that comes with the Nvidia binary drivers?
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> and she's been in ubunto for about three weeks :D
[10:55] <oatis> ./mysql-query-browser-bin: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by ./mysql-query-browser-bin)
[10:55] <Computer__Guru> u
[10:56] <holycow> well a user requires 'userlevel' knowledge which is markedly different from 'system admin' training
[10:56] <oatis> does anyone know how i can fix that?
[10:56] <Grafite> does anyone know much about the WINE program for linux?
[10:56] <visor> holycow: exactly, and then, isnt reading a manpage to figure out codepages to add to a file to mount shares trough the network a task for an admin rather than a user?
[10:56] <benplaut> holycow: i totally agree
[10:56] <Computer__Guru> okay
[10:56] <holycow> if we were to put up a site for computer training, i would have two main groups, user and administrator
[10:56] <Computer__Guru> ill concede that manpages are evil
[10:56] <benplaut> aye
[10:56] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:56] <allerbest> I can't get more than 640x480 on my box with Ubuntu 5.04 - can anyone help, please?
[10:56] <visor> CarinArr: the thing is that your motif apps dont use gtk so they wont ever match, and i dont really know if motif support themes or colors or something
[10:56] <Computer__Guru> and if you refer anyone other than a sysadmin to a manpage, you should be shot
[10:56] <holycow> visor, exactly, i don't think we are there yet in terms of users
[10:57] <slask3n_> how do i make the app webcam run after bootup as an service so i can start/stop it with init.d?
[10:57] <Grafite> same here aller
[10:57] <CarinArr> i know they won't match, but the standard chunky, boring mid-grey is icky
[10:57] <holycow> i don't think anyone claims its anywhere near 'done' but then this thing isn't financed, its all done part time
[10:57] <Grafite> on the live cd anyway
[10:57] <EdLin> allerbest, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:57] <allerbest> I've got a Matrox G550 AGP card an a 17" TFT with 1280x1024 attached to it (analog, with DVI I can't get a picture working at all)
[10:58] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I clear totems history? like open locations e.t.c?
[10:58] <IIIEars> allerbest - This link is pretty good
[10:58] <holycow> visor imho as long as we understand that its a work in progress then the question goes from 'why do i haveto learn to admin this thing' to 'okay its not perfect, i do have a choice of buying windows or mac'
[10:58] <IIIEars> !display
[10:58] <ubotu> display is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[10:58] <aspro> AMCDeathKnight: havent been watching anything we shouldnt? :P
[10:58] <holycow> and imho that is an okay thing, why do we haveto compete with them? give us time to build this stuff
[10:58] <desrt> aspro; pr0n.
[10:58] <QMario> I installed Real Player 10, but it does not run. Why doesn't it run? Does anyone know the answer to my problem?
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  eh-hem.. ibm gave a shitload of money to like 3 different open source comminuties by way of grants.. im pretty sure they gave linus a grant too
[10:58] <desrt> aspro; worse.  goat pr0n.
[10:58] <AMCDeathKnight> shoudnt what
[10:58] <visor> and so the only thing im complaining is that if we dont abstract this things from the underpinning techonologies then we will never have normal users coming to linux, because its hard, its hard to get it running sometimes, its hard to do trivial stuff sometimes, and yes, its way much better than windows :)
[10:58] <aspro> lol
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> so uhh
[10:58] <Grafite> irc://irc.ircnet.net/linux
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> not everybody is doing it part time :D
[10:59] <holycow> Computer__Guru, well to be fair whatever ibm is giving linux is peanuts. do you know what the kernel alone is worth in devewlopment dollars?
[10:59] <holycow> someone caclulated that the 2.6.x kernel is at minimum worth 600 million
[10:59] <aspro> bull
[10:59] <Computer__Guru> somebody said like seventy billion last year at a conference
[10:59] <holycow> the 10 mil or whatever ibm gives away is nothing compared to the 600 mil they get back
[10:59] <AMCDeathKnight> help?
[10:59] <holycow> then you put together all the other projects ... you have billions in developers time donated
[10:59] <IIIEars> Ya gotta hope Ubuntu's popularity is getting the right attention or will soon.
[10:59] <Computer__Guru> maybe im thinkig linux altogether
[10:59] <holycow> no
[10:59] <holycow> kernel alone
[10:59] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; grep for one of the strings in .gconf or .gnome2
[10:59] <Computer__Guru> it was a LOT more than ten mil
[10:59] <holycow> that single file
[11:00] <visor> QMario: you have to move some files from the plugins directory, or either delete them, all of them that starts with a swf* in their filename, as soon as you move them from the plugins directory then it will open
[11:00] <AMCDeathKnight> how? walk me through it
[11:00] <LiberalTugboat> Anyone here have an Nvidia video card?
[11:00] <holycow> Computer__Guru, ibm certainly didn't give away hundreds of millions, i'd like to see that tho
[11:00] <AMCDeathKnight> im new
[11:00] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; like try$ grep -ri 'http://porn.site.net/babes.mpg' .gconf .gnome2
[11:00] <desrt> from the shell prompt
[11:00] <CarinArr> liberaltugboat, probably most of us
[11:00] <Computer__Guru> but i was just pointing out its not part time to everyone..t he folks over at redhat corporation im sure would beg to differ with you
[11:00] <desrt> that'll ell you what file it's stored in and you can get rid of it :)
[11:00] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[11:00] <allerbest> IIIEars, been there done that but in the list of supported resolutions there's already "1280x1024"
[11:00] <LiberalTugboat> ok then can I please request someone pastebin their xorg.conf for me?
[11:00] <sorush20> why is my screen jumpy
[11:01] <LiberalTugboat> this is the third time
[11:01] <IIIEars> Okay.
[11:01] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  i want to say a hundred million.. ill check on it and get back to you
[11:01] <allerbest> IIIEars, and the documentation says that X.org will choose the highest possible resolution
[11:01] <holycow> Computer__Guru, indeed i agree, and with ubuntu hiring 20 debian dd's, yeah its getting better sure
[11:01] <visor> did you read QMario's question? how to open realplayer? i know about this problem, you have to move two files, :S damn thats what im talking about, it isnt suppossed that a user has to move files to just open a program
[11:01] <IIIEars> allerbest - promises promises.
[11:01] <sorush20> do you think hdpram is not enabled
[11:01] <slask3n_> how do i make the app webcam run after bootup as an service so i can start/stop it with init.d? or something similar, just so it runs in the background automaticly and can be stopped and started in a simple way..
[11:01] <benplaut> well, i'm going to bed
[11:01] <LiberalTugboat> I have had to ask... but it is hard to even notice posts that are not part of this run around argument about the current state of linux
[11:01] <QMario> Visor, where are those files?
[11:02] <LiberalTugboat> (no offense to those who are speaking)
[11:02] <visor> but well i think i just finished with my rant... :P
[11:02] <oatis> how can I install thngs that are available for sarge but not ubunto with apt (like mysql-query-browser)?
[11:02] <allerbest> IIIEars, :-) Okay, I'll try and log out. Thanks in advance.
[11:02] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; it's in gconf
[11:02] <holycow> visor, oh man, i was just getting into the argument! :)
[11:02] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; you here?
[11:02] <holycow> damnit
[11:02] <IIIEars> just finished an article on the nVidia 7800 looks like aug. 11th is solid
[11:02] <holycow> -_-
[11:02] <visor> QMario: /usr/lib/realplayer-(version)/plugins
[11:02] <AMCDeathKnight> command not found
[11:02] <visor> but its always good to have this chats :)
[11:03] <Grafite> irc://irc.undernet.net/linux
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; go into applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[11:03] <Computer__Guru> visor:  compile mplayer yourself with the w32codecs package installed :D::: apt-get build-dep mplayer-586 && apt-get install w32codecs && apt-get source -b mplayer-586 && dpkg -i mplayer_whatever.deb
[11:03] <IIIEars> (psst, could someone please talk to my wife for me?)
[11:03] <Computer__Guru> you have full real compatibility :)
[11:03] <slask3n_> Grafite: why keep spamming??
[11:03] <Computer__Guru> quicktime too
[11:03] <Grafite> sry
[11:03] <AMCDeathKnight> there
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; and from there, go to apps -> gnome-settings -> totem
[11:03] <Grafite> im new and its the easiest way to get to the link
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; then on the right pane you'll have history-totem_uri_list
[11:03] <AMCDeathKnight> arh
[11:03] <AMCDeathKnight> yes
[11:03] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; and you can double-click it to edit
[11:04] <Grafite> new to IRC ans linux
[11:04] <visor> well gotta go my friends is late in here and im a little bit tired...
[11:04] <QMario> Visor, where do I move the files to?
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> it worked
[11:04] <visor> read you later
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks
[11:04] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; np.
[11:04] <Computer__Guru> l8r visor
[11:04] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; now stop going to nasty sites :)
[11:04] <Computer__Guru> nice chat
[11:04] <visor> QMario: just delete them, or move them anywhere else which is not that folder ;)
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> it was an acident
[11:04] <desrt> hahah
[11:04] <AMCDeathKnight> downloaded wrong file
[11:04] <slask3n_> Grafite: no, the easiest way is to write "/server irc.<hostnetwork> | /join #linux"
[11:05] <Grafite> k thnx
[11:05] <slask3n_> =)
[11:05] <sorush20> guys how do I terminate a task that is running
[11:05] <visor> sorush20: hit the computer with a hammer....
[11:05] <EdLin> sorush20, kill
[11:05] <desrt> sorush20; what kind of task?
[11:05] <visor> sorush20: no i was just kidding, "killall command"
[11:05] <slask3n_> Grafite: most clients accept "/j <chan>" so you wont need to write "/join"
[11:06] <sorush20> open office..
[11:06] <desrt> did it crash?
[11:06] <visor> sorush20: or "kill PID_of_process"
[11:06] <sorush20> its asking or JRE, and I don't have it...
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> visor
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> if theyve never seent he kill command
[11:06] <desrt> and you can't exit it?
[11:06] <AMCDeathKnight> how do i install gui bit-torrent?
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> what's a pid?
[11:06] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; you already have it
[11:06] <desrt> Computer__Guru; process id
[11:06] <AMCDeathKnight> i do..
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> no shit sherlock
[11:06] <sorush20> visor how do I find PID of  process
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> follow thread :D
[11:07] <EdLin> sorush20, maybe run xkill
[11:07] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; gnome bittorrent client
[11:07] <visor> sorush20: "killall soffice.bin"
[11:07] <visor> thats what you have to kill
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> how can i find it
[11:07] <desrt> AMCDeathKnight; when you go to download a .torrent file from the net, it will offer to open in it
[11:07] <visor> Computer__Guru: a pid its the Process ID
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> kewl
[11:07] <AMCDeathKnight> :-)
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> oh my god
[11:07] <aspro> AMCDeathKnight just click on something in firebird iirc
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> I KNOW
[11:07] <desrt> or... you can just double-click on a torrent file on your computer
[11:07] <aspro> firefox*
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> i said: if a user has never seen the kill command, then what's a pid
[11:07] <visor> you can see it with "ps aux" which lists the commands or processes running with their info :)
[11:08] <QMario> Thank You, visor. It works. :)
[11:08] <EdLin> !test
[11:08] <ubotu> Working....
[11:08] <visor> QMario: i know, it is a bit frustrating but... well
[11:08] <aspro> oh on a tangent, anybody tried the new opera with BT support?
[11:08] <Imsdle> how do you isntall firebird RDBMS server
[11:08] <visor> well now i better go or my desire of helping (and complaining about samba) will stay... good night all
[11:09] <slask3n_> how do i make the app webcam run after bootup as an service so i can start/stop it with init.d? or something similar, just so it runs in the background automaticly and can be stopped and started in a simple way..
[11:09] <Computer__Guru> seig heil, samba!
[11:09] <slask3n_> visor: good night =)
[11:09] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  does it have a start/stop script?
[11:10] <oatis> what do I need to add to my source.list to allow it to install sarge packages? some things i need are not available with just the ubuntu packages?
[11:10] <desrt> oatis; you don't want to install straight from sarge... you probably want universe
[11:10] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: no i dont think so, its just an simple app, that runs in a endlesss loop, catching and uploading pictures from webcam to ftp..
[11:10] <visor> guys, pleas read this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7421
[11:10] <desrt> oatis; there's actually an example in your sources.list... just uncomment it
[11:10] <visor> well bye...
[11:10] <oatis> i already added main restricted universe multiverse
[11:10] <allerbest> IIIEars: I'm back.-) reconfiguring the x.org-Server didn't work. I removed the 640x480 res from the list (and /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows so) but Ubuntu-Gnome -> Menu -> System -> Screen resolution shows only 640x480
[11:11] <allerbest> IIIEars: And it _is_ only 640x480 at the moment. Any other ideas?
[11:11] <desrt> oatis; universe should have almost everything that's in sarge... just delayed
[11:11] <EdLin> oatis, mixing distro repositories is asking for trouble.  SXXwhatever STARTS in position XX whatever, KXXwhatever kills
[11:15] <aspro> lame-ass
[11:15] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  these are executed as you enter and exit runlevels
[11:15] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: ok
[11:15] <aspro> gives brisbane a bad name
[11:15] <allerbest> Anyone an idea why my 5.04-Gnome comes in 640x480 only? I reconfigured xorg.conf and removed 640x480 but no changes. I've got a Matrox G550 and a TFT with 1280x1024
[11:16] <parabolize> sorush20, what browser firefox or epiphany?
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> I Did not know you can use Coolbits in linux...
[11:16] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  hence, /etc/rc2.d/ is most likely the runlevel you're in now
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> have I been living under a rock?
[11:16] <aspro> no... wtf are coolbits :P
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> I think its overclockin time :)
[11:16] <Easty> Hi
[11:16] <parabolize> nvidia OC program
[11:16] <anacron> allerbest: did you reboot x with ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:16] <LiberalTugboat> cool bits is the Nvidia overclocking utiliy
[11:17] <aspro> ah
[11:17] <parabolize> its OK
[11:17] <allerbest> anacron: Yes I did a full reboot.
[11:17] <aspro> i could have used that when i had my 5200 lol
[11:17] <Easty> If anybody's not too busy, could somebody help me? I've got a problem with my speakers
[11:17] <LiberalTugboat> you can enable it in you xorg.conf
[11:17] <moZer> sorush20:  how do you mean "jumpy and slow"?
[11:17] <Computer__Guru> allerbest:  modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your driver to vesa
[11:18] <jk24_> Easty: better ask what's your problem
[11:18] <parabolize> LiberalTugboat, not with 7174 I think.
[11:18] <Easty> my speakers are USB and ubuntu's not playing anything out of them
[11:18] <LiberalTugboat> its in 7667
[11:18] <catolh> I did a "sudo alien package.rpm" just now, and im wondering.. how do i install *.deb ?
[11:18] <parabolize> LiberalTugboat, right
[11:18] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i cant find any generic start stop script in /etc/init.d :s
[11:19] <Easty> i did the USB device check thingy, and it says they're there
[11:19] <LiberalTugboat> not sure about 7174
[11:19] <aspro> catolh: dpkg -i
[11:19] <Computer__Guru> catolh:  dpkg -i package.deb
[11:19] <jk24_> allerbest: dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg and choose (in medium config class) a monitor that do 1280*1024
[11:19] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  ill fetch it for you
[11:19] <catolh> Thanks, both og you
[11:19] <catolh> of*
[11:19] <Easty> but no sound. and i've checked the volume
[11:19] <EdLin> sorush20, well, one thing you're doing wrong is running as root, especially IRCing as root.
[11:19] <jk24_> Easty: desktop or laptop ?
[11:19] <Easty> desktop
[11:19] <sorush20> well... when I was running Windows, when i minimized an appication or mazimized and general explorer browsing was much faster an smoother that Gnome, on ubuntu.. what could the problem be...
[11:20] <gimme3d> hey there! anyone here who is in the mood to help me with ati drivers on 5.04?
[11:20] <aspro> sorush20: sounds like video card
[11:20] <aspro> got drivers installed?
[11:20] <Computer__Guru> well there USED to be a vanilla start/stop script there
[11:21] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: no vanilla script here either
[11:21] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  i advice just pulling a couple scripts apart to get a feel for how they work, then write a really simple one
[11:22] <LiberalTugboat> just confirmed... Coolbits was added in the 76xx drivers
[11:22] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  then, ln -s /etc/init.d/yourscript /etc/rc2.d/S32yourscript
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i reconfigure x?
[11:23] <gimme3d> anyone here who can give me a hint for ati drivers in xorg?
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> i would have usb stuff start kinda late
[11:23] <macsepp] [tvt> good question
[11:23] <macsepp] [tvt> :D
[11:23] <sorush20> I'm back .. so what could the problem... be..
[11:23] <holycow> sorush20, you are talking about browsering the file system correct? if so i can answer that
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> gimme3d:  yeah, use the builtin ones, and dont put a lot of stock in those, either, heh
[11:23] <macsepp] [tvt> lol gimme3d i share your question
[11:23] <sorush20> holycow, ye... please
[11:23] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i dont have time for that now, so that should be another day.. but are there any simple way to make it start on boot automaticly then?
[11:23] <aspro> sorush20: sounds like video card too me
[11:23] <gimme3d> ^^ lol
[11:23] <aspro> got drivers?
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> sure
[11:24] <holycow> sorush20, basically when you browse the windows file system, you aren't actually browsing the file system, you are browsing cached data
[11:24] <sorush20> aspro, holycow, I thought it was video card too..
[11:24] <sorush20> okay...
[11:24] <holycow> ntfs is actually terribly slow when you have a lot of small files in a folder
[11:24] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  sudo pico /etc/rc2.d/S64myscript - then put a simple script to start it, then sudo chmod a+x /etc/rc2.d/S64myscript
[11:24] <sorush20> I'm not running ntfs...
[11:24] <gimme3d> k, i got two devices in xorg.conf defined. standard vga and "ati graphics adapter" installation of driver was successful - no errors (woohooo), removed old ones
[11:24] <aspro> holycow: i think he means his desktop as a whoile is lacking the "snappy"
[11:24] <holycow> sorush20, we don't have a caching mechanism for gnome just yet, so when you load up the files, it actually reads the files on the fs
[11:25] <gimme3d> but when i remove standard vga, xserver wont start..
[11:25] <holycow> there is a project someone is supposed to be working on caching for nautilus but i donno where the project is
[11:25] <gimme3d> so system uses standard vga somehow? and got no 3d acc?
[11:25] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  a simple script would be LINE1:#!/bin/bash LINE2:cd /path/to/myapp LINE3: ./myapp
[11:25] <slask3n_> holycow: when did M$ start usinmg a lot of small files in a folder?? :P all their files have at least 5MB of unneccesary code all over in every file..
[11:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wots the condole command to reconfigure x?
[11:26] <Computer__Guru> yeah that can be tedious and slow sometimes
[11:26] <holycow> sorush20, as for the snappyness, thats purely on the gnome/kde/desktop level
[11:26] <Computer__Guru> another reason to use kde :D
[11:26] <Zukero> hello
[11:27] <sorush20> holycow, aspro, slask3n_, how can I make sure that its not the fault of my video card.... I ask this because my screen savers are highly slow.....
[11:27] <aspro> sorush20: run glxgears
[11:27] <holycow> sorush20, there are desktop environments that are as snappy if not snappier than windows, gnome for some reason has that feel, kde is overall 'snappier' but that i'm sure has to do with some clever things they are doing over there
[11:27] <EdLin> LuNaTiK^GuY, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10q
[11:28] <Computer__Guru> holycow:  very clever, indeed. very, very clever :)
[11:28] <catolh> has anyone tried running guildwars with wine?
[11:28] <holycow> sorush20, what vid card? if its ati or nvidia install the drivers
[11:28] <gimme3d> yeah!! 94 frames in glxgears!!! i HATE f***ing ati  drivers!! gnaa
[11:28] <skyhawker> is there a way I can get Evolution to hide itself up the tray thingy in the top right?
[11:28] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: i went to System -> Preference -> Sessions and added it in startup programs, but what does order 50 mean? and is it good?
[11:28] <Tirno> I've just done a dist-upgrade with the backport packages, in order to fix firefox. But now it has a problem with my usual webmailreader: firefox and the server can't find a common encryption method. What gives?
[11:28] <catolh> gimme3d, i got like almost 2.5k fps in glxgears with my ati card..
[11:28] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  means it will load after anything with a lower number and before anything higher
[11:28] <Computer__Guru> just that, its order
[11:28] <phend> does anyone know how i import a database into a postgres db? i've used createdb, and have downloaded a dump of the database from another pc
[11:29] <sorush20> holycow, it not ati or nvidia, its onboard... sis... and glx gears is jumpy...
[11:29] <gimme3d> catolh...post me your xorg.conf ^^? or help me installing driver correctly?
[11:29] <jk24> gimme3d: xorg drivers support ati 3D...
[11:29] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: and what will happen with it? will webcam be shown in a terminal at startup now, or will it run in background?
[11:29] <catolh> gimme3d, do a "sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx"
[11:29] <slask3n_> Computer__Guru: order 50 is last isn't  it?
[11:29] <gimme3d> did this 20 times without any error
[11:29] <holycow> sorush20, i run sis on all basic system, you aren't going to get any decent ogl support for those
[11:29] <catolh> gimme3d, there was a binarydriverhowto somewhere..
[11:29] <Computer__Guru> slask3n_:  can go up to 99
[11:29] <catolh> gimme3d, give me a sec, ill cough up a url for you in a sec
[11:30] <gimme3d> thx
[11:30] <jk24> gimme3d: 5501 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1100.200 FPS with xorg drivers
[11:30] <Computer__Guru> and i dont know the answer to your question
[11:30] <gimme3d> @jk24: hrhr
[11:30] <holycow> sorush20, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and make sure you are using the sis drivers
[11:30] <catolh> gimme3d, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:30] <holycow> sorush20, beyond that you cannot do much.  note that if you are using vesa drivers on an sis chipset, choosing sis drivers will make a huge difference
[11:31] <drcode> hi all
[11:31] <drcode> direct redrind it depend on monitor also ?
[11:31] <drcode> not only on the card?
[11:31] <Computer__Guru> im going to bed
[11:31] <holycow> but you will never be able to do anything  beyond basic ogl on the chipset, i'm not sure if they just don't have full ogl support or they havent open sourced their entire codebase
[11:31] <Computer__Guru> im tired
[11:31] <phend> any ideas?
[11:32] <drcode> I have two computers with same vga card but only diffrent monitor
[11:32] <drcode> in one it work and in one not
[11:32] <catolh> how do i force a cd to unmount? (im in the middle of installing an app that runs on 2x cd's.. and its asking for cd2... :S)
[11:33] <sorush20> holycow, what is the pci thing i have to... set.. by the way... this is what I have been looking for.. I got this option in the live CD but didn't get it in the install... In the live cd eveything was much smother.. and all screensavers were smooth too...
[11:33] <gimme3d> @ catolh: getting an error using that howto...trying to overwrite something existing...
[11:33] <holycow> sorush20, then run the command i told you, and make the right choices in the dialogs
[11:33] <catolh> gimme3d, are you sure you read it correctly?
[11:33] <holycow> after that co ctrl / backspace ... or is ctrl / alt / backspace?  ... to restart xserver
[11:33] <skyhawker> is there a way I can get Evolution to hide itself up in the tray thingy in the top right? Eother that, or does anybody know of an email program that is able to hide...?
[11:34] <catolh> gimme3d, it worked for me anyhow..
[11:34] <sorush20> holycow, I don't know how to make this choice.. Please enter vid card bus Id, and I have to set the value... its PCI:1:0:0
[11:34] <holycow> just click enter there
[11:34] <sorush20> holycow, is this the right value...
[11:34] <holycow> don't worry bout that
[11:35] <learn25> Thanks guys. My PHP and Apache and Mysql is now running!
[11:35] <Imsdle> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe libfirebird2-classic 1.5.1-4
[11:35] <Imsdle>   Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:35] <Imsdle> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/firebird2/libfirebird2-classic_1.5.1-4_i386.deb  Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:35] <Imsdle> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:35] <Imsdle> ooops
[11:35] <Imsdle> wrong window
[11:35] <gimme3d> yeah..i did it plenty of times...fact is, i can install the drivers by run package without any problems, no errors...but without the standard vga section in my xorg.conf, the xserver wont start...opengl is mesa ALWAYS
[11:35] <holycow> sorush20, what driver was selected by default when you started that?
[11:35] <Imsdle> can someone help me load firebird
[11:35] <holycow> did you haveto select sis drivers manually? or was sis preselected?
[11:36] <learn25> Thanks guys. My PHP and Apache and Mysql is now running! ;-) Now i can experiment during my free time.
[11:36] <catolh> can i install directx with wine? (and make it work?)
[11:36] <catolh> or do i need winex?
[11:36] <learn25> Is there a graphical interface for mysql? Like in MS Access database??
[11:37] <sorush20> holycow, what is the keyboard vaiant... value
[11:37] <Kmorph> learn25: I'm currently tryin to write one.
[11:37] <holycow> learn, quite a few
[11:37] <toowoomba> rekall?
[11:37] <holycow> rekall yes is probably the most mature at this point
[11:37] <sorush20> holycow, I had to select it manually...
[11:37] <wizo> hey guys i have a question
[11:37] <learn25> is it possible to run mysql server and access it in another pc?
[11:38] <wizo> im trying to watch a CD using totem
[11:38] <learn25> to add new database tables, etc.
[11:38] <wizo> but it lags then runs smooth, then lags then runs smooth again
[11:38] <toowoomba> yes learn
[11:38] <holycow> sorush20, it should be preselected, what options do you have? tryp standard pc101 kb or something like that
[11:38] <Kmorph> learn25: yes you can. As long as you have configured the server well
[11:38] <toowoomba> that's the whole point of database servers...
[11:38] <Earered> learn25, yes just ensure that your firewall let port 3306 open (the port for mysql)
[11:38] <learn25> Thats good. U know i'm new to linux and databases. I'll try to learn open source technologies.
[11:39] <learn25> i use fire starter
[11:39] <Kmorph> learn25: welcome to the opensource world.
[11:39] <sorush20> holycow, what is the mouse.... /dev/input/mice
[11:39] <sorush20> holycow, or something else...
[11:39] <learn25> Yeah... cheers!.... We have the freedom to do what we want ;-)
[11:40] <holycow> thats the one sorush20
[11:40] <holycow> wait
[11:40] <toowoomba> isn't there a qy mysql admin tool?
[11:40] <holycow> sorush20, do you have a usb mouse or the other one?
[11:40] <learn25> u mean GUI mysql admin tool?
[11:40] <toowoomba> oops, qt
[11:41] <hayden> i am running mozilla thunderbird on my windows laptop and ubuntu desktop, is there a way to synchronise email messages between the two?
[11:41] <sorush20> holycow, just a normal serial...
[11:41] <learn25> hmm... thats hard to sychronize windows and linux ;-)
[11:41] <sorush20> holycow, what about the x.org server modules..
[11:41] <holycow> you leave those alone just click through
[11:42] <holycow> you didn't answer my question tho, did you haveto manually select the sis drivers at the beginning?
[11:42] <hayden> learn25, not hard to synchronise if they r on the same computer e.g. i had a dual boot winxp/ubuntu and just used the same folder for both to store emails
[11:43] <sorush20> holycow, yes.. I had to man select..
[11:43] <toowoomba> mysql-admin mysql-query-browser
[11:43] <holycow> sorush20, that means that the reason your system was not 'snappy' was because you were using the vesa driver
[11:43] <wijnand> can i safely upgrade acroread to version 7 in hoary by adding the breezy multiverse repository? it wants to upgrade libc6 too when i do that, which seems risky at the least to me...
[11:43] <sorush20> holycow, letme run glxgears again... or do I have to restart the computer.... and also, right after this... I just need to set up the sound... oh the joy of opensource....
[11:43] <hayden> whats the best way to install nvidia drivers?
[11:43] <holycow> after you restart x you should see a huge improvement, like on the live cd
[11:44] <holycow> no restartx only
[11:44] <holycow> do ctrl / alt / backspace
[11:44] <toowoomba> hayden: see www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:44] <holycow> or ctrl / backspace
[11:44] <holycow> i cant remember
[11:44] <hayden> toowoomba, i thought there was a better way than that? or am i wrong
[11:44] <aspro> through synaptic?
[11:45] <toowoomba> that's what I did
[11:45] <hayden> ok
[11:45] <wijnand> aspro: you asking me?
[11:45] <toowoomba> seems to work fine and wasn't that hard
[11:45] <aspro> nah sorry :)
[11:45] <aspro> thinking outloud
[11:45] <wijnand> pity :)
[11:45] <Kmorph> toowoomba::there is a qt based MySQL GUI Admin tool.
[11:46] <aspro> wijnand: it does seem risky, i wouldnt do it :)
[11:46] <toowoomba> that's what i heard but I don't use mysql
[11:47] <aspro> wijnand: perhaps just use the tarball?
[11:47] <wijnand> aspro: yeah i was afraid of that, even though libc6 is bound to be backward compatible
[11:47] <Kmorph> toowoomba::what database do you use
[11:48] <wijnand> aspro: could do that, but either that requires the same libc6 upgrade, or the repository's version doesn't require it either
[11:48] <aspro> if your getting from breezy it probably just wants the latest
[11:48] <aspro> doesnt need it, i ran acro7 form hoary
[11:48] <toowoomba> i use interbase at work, so naturally firebird at home
[11:49] <sorush20> hi.. guys
[11:49] <toowoomba> maybe soon firebird at work too
[11:49] <sorush20> holycow, yes.. its much more snappy...
[11:49] <sorush20> thanks alot...
[11:49] <wijnand> aspro: you used the tarball from adobe's site?
[11:49] <holycow> no problems :)
[11:49] <aspro> wijnand: yep
[11:50] <wijnand> alright then :)
[11:50] <sorush20> holycow, what was the command agian.. so I can readup...
[11:50] <wijnand> adobe.com, here i come!
[11:50] <aspro> hehe
[11:50] <aspro> gl
[11:50] <aspro> :)
[11:50] <wijnand> thanks
[11:50] <holycow> sorush20, a little different from windows for that part, but rest assured that the x server is getting  A LOT  of development these days, and it will one day be a lot easier to setup through gui and various other tools
[11:50] <holycow> sorush its two commands
[11:50] <wijnand> but first i'd better remove the breezy repository hehe
[11:50] <holycow> sudo is the first that lets you run the reconfigure app as root
[11:51] <holycow> dpkg-reconfigure is the dpkg command to reconfigure the options for a package
[11:51] <holycow> xserver-xorg is the package, so you should read up on dpkg-reconfigure
[11:51] <sorush20> holycow, thanks...
[11:52] <Kmorph> toowoomba::I'm a MySQL die-hard. I use mysql all through. I migrated recently all my apps to mysql
[11:53] <holycow> Kmorph, not a fan of postgres?
[11:53] <toowoomba> what did you migrate from?
[11:53] <toowoomba> i keep meaning to have a play with postgres but I never get around to it
[11:54] <catolh> Wich mediaplayer do you guys prefer?
[11:54] <catolh> i mean, the "smoothest" and fastest one
[11:54] <catolh> vlc? or mplayer?
[11:54] <praetorian> personally i like mplayer.
[11:54] <holycow> catolh, i use totem most of the time, but i have found with the latest dvds, vlc player handles those much better for some reason.  i don't understand why because both use the same libraries to decrypt the files
[11:54] <toowoomba> i have been using totem since it seems to be the default
[11:55] <dam> terminal server client?
[11:55] <catolh> yeah, i like mplayer too. But the fact that the screensaver goes on when in fullscreen is irritating
[11:55] <catolh> I didnt like totem that much..
[11:55] <wizo> grrr
[11:55] <Computer__Guru> vlc uses the xine engine?
[11:55] <wizo> totem is lagging and then runnign smooth and then lagging
[11:55] <praetorian> there is an option for disabling screensaver
[11:56] <slask3n> Are there any hypergood linux gurus here? I have a serious problem with the sound devices and usb webcam with built-in microphone.. It fucks up the whole soundsystem.. :s I've got help before but as soon as I rebooted it was back to the same problem.. The usb webcam dont mount properly it seems like and ubuntu sets it as primary sounddevice it seems like.. :s
[11:56] <praetorian> (atleast in gmplayer)
[11:56] <holycow> slask3n, heh, just out of curiosity, do you know if its actually a supported model?
[11:56] <holycow> you should be aware the webcams don't have good support on linux overall
[11:57] <catolh> is there a goodlooking mplayer skin out there? not too techie, but plain..
[11:57] <holycow> catolh, google answers all :)
[11:57] <holycow> decide for your self
[11:58] <onkarshinde> catolh: i like vlc myself. Refarding totem you can use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[11:58] <catolh> holycow, hehe, i like to follow in other's footsteps.. :p
[11:58] <catolh> onkarshinde, i think i'll be sticking to mplayer.. but thanks :)
[11:58] <allerbest> anacron: Using vesa instead of mga worked. Thanks.
[11:59] <nikola> hi, what package contains raidhotadd I can't seem to find it?
[12:00] <allerbest> How do I install a programme ("knoda") that seems not to be in universe/multiverse? It is in Debian Sarge.
[12:00] <toowoomba> how do I edit the gnome menu?
[12:01] <oni> hi
[12:01] <deFrysk> toowoomba, get smeg
[12:01] <oni> anyone knows how to kill a process without knowing the process id?
[12:02] <allerbest> oni: killall <processname>
[12:02] <TWD> oni: killall <processname>
[12:02] <oni> thanks!
[12:02] <toowoomba> can't find smeg
[12:02] <allerbest> oni: or look the id with "ps auxwww | grep <processname>"
[12:02] <deFrysk> !smeg
[12:02] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[12:02] <wijnand> aspro: works like a charm :)
[12:03] <oni> another question: how I can get aMSN for Ubuntu?
[12:03] <deFrysk> !amsn
[12:03] <ubotu> deFrysk: I haven't a clue
[12:03] <wijnand> oni: isn't it in universe or multiverse?
[12:03] <oni> multiverse I think....
[12:04] <gimme3d> hooray! i am back! without 3d acceleration! and i got no idea what else to do!
[12:04] <toowoomba> oni: gaim?
[12:04] <gimme3d> got always  DRI initialization failed!                  *
[12:04] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[12:04] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[12:04] <gimme3d> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available
[12:04] <slask3n> holycow: not actually, but there are customdrivers to run it, but almost everyone has made the built-in microphone work without drivers and anythiong, but i have the drivers also...
[12:04] <vinboy> does ext3 needs defragment?
[12:04] <oni> but I want more control over MSN
[12:05] <slask3n> holycow: i have made it work but as soon as i reboot it all gets fucked up again
[12:05] <MartenH> I am running a card that seems to be using orinoco_cs driver. Should I switch to ndiswrapper if i want to add wpa_supplicant to it?
[12:05] <toowoomba> oni: winxp
[12:05] <wijnand> oni: amsn is in either multiverse or univers as i have it available in synaptic
[12:05] <gimme3d> got new kernel sources, headers, compiled fglrx, installation without errors...but no 3d...nono..haha..sitting here for 3 days, without any effort , haha...
[12:06] <oni> auh! it's in universe
[12:06] <Eilonwy05> Well, I did some more digging around and troubleshooting... it looks like when I upgraded my kernel, something got messed up with my SATA support.  My HDD works fine, but cat /proc/scsi/scsi doesn't list a scsi1 bus, where my cd should be.  If I boot back to the stock 2.6.10-5 kernel it works.
[12:06] <allerbest> vinboy: No unless the partition is nearly full and heave write access is going on
[12:06] <oni> http://amsn.sourceforge.net
[12:06] <Eilonwy05> I'm on a laptop
[12:06] <vinboy> allerbest, what tools can i use to defrag?? coz i use bittorrent.. lots of HD accessing
[12:06] <Eilonwy05> if that makes any difference
[12:06] <nikola> does someone know what package contains raidhotadd?
[12:07] <holycow> slask3n, well i won't be able to help much, i was just curious.  it basically sounds like udev is looking at your device and seeing the soundcard component and thusly classifying it as such.  you may need to research into how udev looks at your device, and tell udev to create different nodes for it .... but thats fairly advanced stuff.  it might be cheaper to just buy another cammy that works?
[12:07] <holycow> sorry i wish i could actually be helpfull on that
[12:07] <gimme3d> what about tanking my graphics adapter out of the comp, breaknig it into 2 peices and throwing it on smbds head? anybody here, who wants a radeon 9500?