[04:15] <pitti> Good morning
[04:24] <TheMuso> Hey pitti. How was your weekend?
[04:25] <pitti> hey TheMuso; pretty nice, we went to Dresden again to visit family and friends
[04:25] <pitti> how was your's?
[04:25] <TheMuso> pitti: Very nice thanks. We got our first real taste of spring.
[04:25] <TheMuso> And are still getting it today.
[04:36] <RAOF> Aaaah, and here comes the rain!
[05:05] <RAOF> Aaand there it goes.  Hello, spring!
[05:06] <TheMuso> heh
[06:03] <didrocks> good morning
[06:11] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[06:13] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti. Headaches all the week-end (migraines) :/ but fortunatly, it's over now. You?
[06:13] <pitti> didrocks: uh, that sounds bad
[06:13] <pitti> didrocks: we were in Dresden again, visiting family and friends; was really nice
[06:13] <pitti> just a lot of train
[06:15] <didrocks> nice :)
[06:15] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF & robert_ancell I'm guessing the lag I mentioned on my unity-greeter screen is X, but can't nail it down. After about 6-10 seconds of sitting on the screen, the mouse lag goes away and I can move it around nearly flawlessly.
[06:29] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks , morning!
[06:30] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner_ :)
[06:30] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: question for you. I find that sometimes the dash and alt-tab have severe stacking issues. They seem to be behind all the windows. I cannot for the life to me find a pattern to it...
[06:30] <jasoncwarner_> have you noticed this as well?
[06:31] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: indeed, that's part of the "wrong stacking of compiz" that smspillaz is working for the last 4 weeks
[06:31] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: ah...any headway?
[06:31] <jasoncwarner_> ;)
[06:31] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: still not ready from what smspillaz told me
[06:31] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: right now, the only way is to have an empty workspace to get them :)
[06:32] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: or logout/login (even restarting compiz doesn't fix it)
[06:32] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: ok...doing that now :) thanks
[06:32] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: yw (it's one of the 3 things to ensure we have a fix before oneiric is released for compiz)
[06:49] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Is your system heavily loaded during those 6-10 seconds?
[06:51] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: I don't know, exactly. You can take a look at my bootchart I sent to get an idea (shoudl be the same etc). I would suspect normal boot process, but I don't know
[06:56] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  You had X magically consuming significant CPU in bursts.  That's right.
[06:58] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: yeah, no idea why...
[06:58] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: any clues or thoughts?
[06:59] <RAOF> *Generally* when X consumes significant resources it's because a client is making lots of requests; there's no obvious client in your bootchart, though.
[07:13] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[07:20] <RAOF> Sweetshark: Goooooooooood morning!
[07:23] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, wie gehts?
[07:26] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, can you add images to google docs?  It's not working for me
[07:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: good, I had an exciting belated late-night flight trough the thunderstorm and lightning that once was hurricane irene ...
[07:31] <RAOF> Mmmm, fun!
[07:31] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: yeah, you should be able to.
[07:33] <robert_ancell> brb
[07:53] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, i get the launcher and dash appearing behind windows quite a lot too
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> it makes unity unusable :(
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> i had to switch to unity-2d weeks ago because of that :/
[08:03] <rodrigo__> morning
[08:06] <pitti> hey rodrigo__
[08:07] <pitti> rodrigo__: FYI, I'm currently working on the gtk+3.0 update
[08:08] <rodrigo__> hi pitti
[08:11] <rodrigo__> hmm, apport thinks g-s-d is crashing all the time, but it's not
[08:11] <robert_ancell> RAOF, the GRUB screen on normal boot is just a purple screen right?
[08:11] <pitti> robert_ancell: are you sure? it's auto-respawning
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:12] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson!
[08:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! how about you?
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, pretty good thanks
[08:13] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell, chrisccoulson
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[08:14] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Yes
[08:14]  * RAOF → pliates.
[08:15] <rodrigo__> hi didrocks, robert_ancell, chrisccoulson
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo__
[08:20] <rodrigo__> so yeah, apport has become crazy here
[08:20] <rodrigo__> it reports crashes that are not ???
[08:21] <pitti> rodrigo__: may it be that it's just update-notifier which got crazy, and alerts about them all over again?
[08:21] <pitti> rodrigo__: also, can you please check /var/log/apport.log, whether it actually got crashes/
[08:22] <pitti> ?
[08:22] <rodrigo__> hmm, not sure, it reports g-s-d crashing, but I have gdb attached to it, and it's not crashing at all
[08:22] <rodrigo__> so what does update-manager have to do?
[08:22] <pitti> update-notifier; it's what calls apport-gtk when a new .crash file appears
[08:22] <rodrigo__> ah, ok
[08:22] <rodrigo__> yeah, that might be then
[08:22] <pitti> but "gone crazy" is a little too unspecific; this needs to be pinpointed more exactly
[08:23] <rodrigo__> I'll reboot as soon as the update is done
[08:23] <pitti> it is *only* the kernel which invokes apport .crash generation
[08:23] <pitti> which is only triggered if a process really exits with e. g. SIGSEGV
[08:23] <xclaesse> are -dev supposed to depend on their gir1.2- ?
[08:23] <pitti> I've never seen crash reports being written without an actual crash
[08:23] <pitti> xclaesse: yes
[08:23] <rodrigo__> pitti, ok, looking
[08:23] <xclaesse> pitti, ok libaccountsservice-dev needs fixing then :)
[08:24] <pitti> rodrigo__: what happens often is that something else crashes in the system, and then update-notifier re-shows all the previous ones again, if the crashed one did not belong to the user
[08:24] <rodrigo__> pitti, where are the .crash files written to?
[08:24] <pitti> rodrigo__: /var/crash/
[08:24] <rodrigo__> ok
[08:24] <pitti> rodrigo__: you can just delete them all, and then see when the next one happens
[08:25] <rodrigo__> ok
[08:25] <rodrigo__> ok, removed all files there, no more notifications for now
[08:25] <rodrigo__> let's see when the next one shows up
[08:48] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you probably didn't see my ping on Friday, but I had a question about the rendering glitches in thunderbird (some part, like the status bar are just transparent)
[08:51] <Laney> pitti: I guess you didn't mean to run update-maintainer on calibre in Debian.
[08:51] <pitti> Laney: erk, no
[08:51] <Laney> heh
[08:53] <Laney> thanks for those packages though, very handy
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, i've not seen that before. does it happen in firefox too?
[08:57] <didrocks> I don't use firefox, let me try :)
[08:58] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no issue on firefox
[08:58] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: do you want a screenshot?
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yes please
[08:58] <didrocks> one sec :)
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hi andreasn :)
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> i was just writing you an e-mail
[08:59] <andreasn> hi chrisccoulson!
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hi. you've been on vacation haven't you?
[08:59] <andreasn> yes, for two weeks
[08:59] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, weird, I just notice I don't have the theme in this "compose" window, maybe it's because I installed a local one?
[08:59] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can be related as I installed an alpha version of andreasn's theme
[08:59] <didrocks> (hey andreasn ;))
[08:59] <andreasn> just got back
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yes, most likely
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> andreasn, excellent. i hope you're feeling nice and refreshed :)
[09:00] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: what's the package name of the system one?
[09:00] <didrocks> let me try to remove the local import one
[09:00] <andreasn> chrisccoulson, oh yes, very much so
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, there isn't. it's the default theme now
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> andreasn, that's good then
[09:00] <didrocks> ok, how to remove the locally installed one?
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> andreasn, we're shipping your theme in ubuntu now. everyone really likes it :)
[09:01] <andreasn> chrisccoulson, haven't started reading e-mail yet
[09:01] <didrocks> removed it, restarting…
[09:01] <andreasn> chrisccoulson, cool, great to hear!
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> we're actually shipping it as the default theme rather than an extension, for technical reasons, which means we're shipping some quite large distro patches
[09:01] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: indeed, no issue anymore, sorry for the noise, didn't think about the theme before pinging you :)
[09:02] <lool> didrocks: Hey!
[09:02] <didrocks> hey lool :)
[09:02] <didrocks> lool: back from holidays?
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> andreasn, i noticed the patches on bugzilla were slightly outdated compared to your theme extension, so i ended up converting your extension in to an updated set of patches
[09:02] <lool> didrocks: Yup
[09:02] <lool> was awesome
[09:02] <didrocks> nice to hear :-)
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if you've done that already, but if not, you might want to grab the patches from our package
[09:03] <lool> didrocks: I have a compiz corruption with xterm again (I'm getting used to them  :-)  seems like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/841103  what's the best way to a) fix it b) avoid this from happening again?  I imagine I could try something like bisecting some compiz bzr branch?
[09:03] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 841103 in compiz "Text has artifacts when typing something in terminal" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:03] <lool> or git rather
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, that's good :)
[09:03] <dupondje> somebody else noticed gnome-shell crashes since last updates ?
[09:04] <didrocks> lool: bisecting will be hard because of some ABI break on the way
[09:05] <didrocks> lool: and that actually means rebuilding 8 rdepends, not sure you are eager to try that :)
[09:05] <didrocks> lool: there is a "damage" plugin in -extra IIRC, smspillaz ? ^
[09:08] <smspillaz> didrocks: lool: showrepaint
[09:08] <lool> I'm afraid I'll have to ask for details on how to use that
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, more firefox and thunderbird uploads today. i hope my connection works a bit faster today
[09:09] <smspillaz> lool: you can get it from lp
[09:09] <smspillaz> lool: sudo apt-get compiz-dev
[09:09] <smspillaz> bzr branch lp:compiz-showrepaint-plugin
[09:09] <smspillaz> cd compiz-showrepaint-plugin
[09:09] <smspillaz> mkdir build
[09:09] <smspillaz> cd build
[09:09] <smspillaz> ccmake ..
[09:09] <smspillaz> make && make install
[09:09] <smspillaz> *err, cmake
[09:10] <smspillaz> and then you enable it in ccsm and toggle it with alt-super-r iirc
[09:10] <smspillaz> that will show you which screen regions are being redrawn
[09:10] <smspillaz> it could be a server-side borders problem though
[09:12] <lool> didrocks: Can't find it searching for repaint after installing -extra, but I see a /usr/share/compiz/firepaint.xml in the package
[09:12] <lool> Which is to "Paint fire on the screen"
[09:12] <lool> There is a Force full screen redraws on repaint option though
[09:13] <lool> but that didn't help
[09:13] <lool> smspillaz: ok, will try building now; is there a way I can use the plugin without root?  I want to be confident that I completely wipe it away after debugging
[09:14] <smspillaz> lool: you don't need to be root
[09:14] <smspillaz> lool: all the sudo there was for was to install compiz-dev :)
[09:14] <lool> Great, thanks
[09:14] <lool> smspillaz: Would you confirm what I have to do to remove it from ~/.dirs after use?
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, is apport catching Xorg crashes, or is that known to be broken?
[09:17] <didrocks> lool: you're right, it's not on the install target of the meta compiz-plugins project anymore
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, actually, forget that ;)
[09:18] <didrocks> lool: after use, you will need to remove it from ~/.compiz-1/
[09:18] <smspillaz> lool: rm -rf ~/.compiz-1
[09:18] <dbarth> dpm: ping? we have a few issues identified as part of the cjk effort that reveal to be translation issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/827420
[09:18] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 827420 in unity "Unity dash file search returns relevant files and folders but not all as I expect. " [Medium,Invalid]
[09:18] <dbarth> dpm: how can we track and hopefully resolve that?
[09:18] <lool> gosh there are tons of session files in ~/.compiz-1
[09:18] <dpm> morning dbarth, looking...
[09:19] <dbarth> morning ;)
[09:19] <lool> brb
[09:21] <dpm> dbarth, in these cases, the best thing to do is to add a bug task for the 'ubuntu-translations' project, and from there we assign it to the relevant translation team. I've just done that for this one
[09:23] <dbarth> dpm: ah ok, thanks
[09:23] <dbarth> dpm: i think there is another one so i'll do the same for this one as well
[09:24] <dpm> dbarth, cool, thanks :)
[09:25] <andreasn> chrisccoulson, ah, ok. Where are those patches located?
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> andreasn, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/files/head:/debian/patches/
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> it's the "theme-refresh-*" patches
[09:25] <andreasn> chrisccoulson, thanks, I'll check them out!
[09:26] <dupondje> gnome-shell seems to crash every startup here. Any idea's how I can make a apport bugreport of it ?
[09:26] <ronoc> rodrigo__, major pulse bug ?
[09:26] <dupondje> apport doesn't popup :(
[09:26] <ronoc> rodrigo__, good morning btw :)
[09:28] <ronoc> rodrigo__, module-detect-jackdbus in default.pa is loaded twice
[09:28] <ronoc> this causes pulse to freak out and exti
[09:28] <ronoc> exit
[09:28]  * Laney hopes indicators get ported to gnome-panel 3
[09:34]  * dupondje hops gnome-shell can be fixed :)
[09:35] <dupondje> seems like it crashes on gnome-shell-calendar-server
[09:37]  * didrocks don't like when killing a process bring the terminal down with it…
[09:38] <rodrigo__> ronoc, what pulse bug?
[09:38]  * ronoc finds the bug no
[09:39] <rodrigo__> ronoc, yes, seems it's loaded twice indeed
[09:39] <rodrigo__> ronoc, is that upstream, or a patch of ours?
[09:39]  * rodrigo__ looks at the source
[09:40] <ronoc> rodrigo__, don't know, the problem is in the default.pa
[09:45] <rodrigo__> ronoc, we add it once in 0012-JACK-Load-module-jackdbus-detect-in-default.pa.patch
[09:45] <rodrigo__> not sure where the 2nd one comes from
[09:45] <ronoc> hmm maybe I hacked my default.pa :/
[09:45] <rodrigo__> ronoc, no, I also have it, and didn't hack it
[09:46] <rodrigo__> not that I remember, at least :)
[09:46] <ronoc> ok cool
[09:46] <rodrigo__> ronoc, ah, in the package branch, src/daemon/default.pa.in already has it, so the patch is redundant
[09:47] <ronoc> yeah, could we get a fix out immediately ?
[09:47] <ronoc> otherwise the bug management will be such a drag for such a silly issue
[09:47] <ronoc> and i'm sure we all have other things that need doing  :)
[09:48] <rodrigo__> yes, I'll disable the patch
[09:48] <ronoc> rodrigo__, thanks a mill
[09:48] <lool> so actually make installing the plugin doesn't just install into ~/.compiz-1, but also ~/.gconf/schemas/compiz-showrepaint.schemas ~/.config/compiz-1/gsettings/schemas/org.freedesktop.compiz.showrepaint.gschema.xml and updates common schemas
[09:49] <diwic> rodrigo__, what patch?
[09:49] <diwic> rodrigo__, the work is already done and committed to lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu.oneiric
[09:49] <rodrigo__> diwic, debian/patches/0012-JACK-Load-module-jackdbus-detect-in-default.pa.patch
[09:49] <diwic> All I need is someone to upload
[09:49] <rodrigo__> diwic, ah ok
[09:49] <rodrigo__> diwic, I'll upload it then
[09:50] <diwic> rodrigo__, thanks :-)
[09:50] <ronoc> rodrigo__, diwic, sweet
[09:50] <rodrigo__> diwic, hmm, you don't have permissions?
[09:51] <ronoc> diwic, I don't have upload rights
[09:51] <diwic> rodrigo__, no, but given today's issue maybe I should apply for them
[09:51] <rodrigo__> I think I have, let's see
[09:52] <lool> didrocks, smspillaz: So I've installed and enabled the plugin; alt-super-r doesn't seem to trigger anything, I see the same corruption as before, all in white
[09:53] <rodrigo__> diwic, no, I don't have neither
[09:53] <rodrigo__> so maybe pitti can do the upload, pitti?
[09:53] <pitti> rodrigo__: what's up?
[09:53] <rodrigo__> pitti: can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu.oneiric ?
[09:54] <pitti> rodrigo__: sure, can do
[09:54] <rodrigo__> pitti, thanks
[09:55] <pitti> rodrigo__: I can't push the debcommit -r, though
[09:55] <pitti> diwic: can you do dch -r / debcommit -r?
[09:55] <rodrigo__> pitti, no, it's a lp:ubuntu branch AFAIK
[09:55] <diwic> pitti, sure
[09:55] <pitti> rodrigo__: no, ~ubuntu-audio-dev
[09:55] <pitti> diwic: ah, nevermind, seems I can push
[09:55] <rodrigo__> right, I meant the package branch for pulseaudio
[09:56] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/841399 please check this :D
[09:56] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 841399 in gnome-shell "gnome-shell segfault error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.2918.0" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:56] <diwic> pitti, think all core devs can push to ubuntu-audio-dev
[09:57] <pitti> diwic: uploaded/pushed
[09:59] <diwic> pitti, \o/
[10:10] <rodrigo__> need to reboot, bbiab
[10:11] <didrocks> hum, ppas are really really busy :/ still 9 hours of wait before building Qt…
[10:12] <pitti> didrocks: I'm happy to bump build score for something you block on
[10:13] <didrocks> pitti: yes please, especially because of missing tcpserver (seems they don't ship it anymore? investigating why… no changelog, commit found for that), so will need a lot of tries I guess: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+packages qt4-x11 please :)
[10:13] <pitti> didrocks: just send me the URLs of the builds
[10:14] <didrocks> like https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+build/2765970? (just one arch is enough)
[10:14] <didrocks> pitti: ^
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: bumped
[10:14] <didrocks> thanks :)
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: PPA URL is enough
[10:14] <Daviey> pitti: In that case, can you bump: https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/oneiric/+build/2766025 :)  (Settles a disagreement regarding local builds, don't want to sponsor it until it works in a PPA)
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: ah, only need i386?
[10:14] <pitti> didrocks: de-bumped amd64
[10:14] <didrocks> pitti: well, both are fine, it's just one is enough for me testing now :)
[10:15] <pitti> Daviey: down to 1 h
[10:15] <pitti> sorry, the i386 buildds are really being Mozilla'ed right now :/
[10:17] <Daviey> pitti: thanks!  Sorry for the OT. :)
[10:17] <pitti> Daviey: np :)
[10:33] <asac> hmm. i have the app switcher (alt+tab) of unity not going away and i cannot reach the apps anymore :) luckily my terminal is to front
[10:34] <asac> anybody interested in some info?
[10:37] <jasoncwarner_> asac: yes...any and all bugs! Pedro and didrocks, want to talk to asac?
[10:38] <asac> cool. just need to know what info to extract here
[10:39] <didrocks> asac: xwininfo -all and click on the alt + tab
[10:40]  * didrocks looks if there is debug info for alt + tab in dbus…
[10:41] <didrocks> asac: it seems there is no dbus info for alt + tab though :/ (can't find anything on d-feet), DBO wrote it, you should ping him when he's there to know exactly what else he needs if he has more tweaks in the code
[10:43] <dupondje> I got a small question, on what package should I file a bug for this: 'if my user is not in its own group, then everything in the gnome-control-panel en networkmanager is grayed out'
[10:43] <dupondje> can't change anything ...
[10:48] <asac> didrocks: i wont be able to keep this situation forever :)
[10:48] <asac> i need to be able to get my browser to front
[10:48] <asac> let me get the xininfo -all if you say thats helpful
[10:51] <asac> didrocks: so xwininfo -all doesnt dump anything when hitting alt+tab etc
[10:51] <asac> i tried clicking on the big app icons i see then it dumped sommething
[10:51] <asac> but i think its not that window
[10:52] <asac> didrocks: i have an idea
[10:52] <asac> so i can still switch by selecting the right app and then clicking on background
[10:52] <asac> the problem is that i still see mumble here :)
[10:52] <asac> and that doesnt exist anymore
[10:52] <asac> so my theory is:
[10:52] <didrocks> asac: seems maybe not an alt + tab issue
[10:52] <asac> i click close on mumble -> confirm to close
[10:53] <asac> then i hit alt-tab
[10:53] <asac> and keep it open while mumble disappears
[10:53] <asac> this confuses the hell out of something that then causes the window switcher to stay active
[10:53] <asac> good theory i know :)
[10:53] <didrocks> that's more than possible TBH :-)
[10:54] <asac> i know ... try reproduce
[10:54] <asac> i guess closing somethignt hat closes superslow might be it ... or really related to qt :)
[10:54] <didrocks> and maybe alt + tab is puzzling itself with bamf on the matching while you are removing the item
[10:54] <asac> anyway ... any idea how i can kill this thing :)?
[10:54] <asac> restarting unity maybe?
[10:54] <didrocks> asac: that alt + tab is in the compiz process, so yeah, restarting unity
[10:55] <asac> didrocks: killall unity or what?
[10:55] <didrocks> asac: killall compiz
[10:56] <didrocks> there is no "unity" process, unity is started by compiz with the right profile (the unity one)
[10:56] <jbicha> or just run unity which does the same thing as unity-replace, right?
[10:56] <didrocks> running unity should restart unity (replacing compiz), but compiz seems to hang on stop right now
[10:56] <didrocks> jbicha: ^
[10:57] <asac> didrocks: i had to start compiz again ... but now i have no unity :)
[10:57] <didrocks> asac: how did you start compiz?
[10:58] <didrocks> and where? (in a tty?)
[10:58] <asac> killall compiz locked desktop ... so DISPLAY=:0 compiz on the console
[10:58] <didrocks> asac: that won't work, you won't have the unity profile activated
[10:58] <asac> there must be an easier way to restart unity :-P
[10:58] <didrocks> asac: so, on tty1, ensure all compiz process are killed
[10:59] <didrocks> and run "unity"
[10:59] <asac> kk
[10:59] <didrocks> this export the right profile for you, set the DISPLAY if not set and start compiz…
[10:59] <didrocks> in an awesome dirty python script I wrote :)
[11:02] <asac> ok had to restart lightdm
[11:03] <asac> so there are also still various issues with stacking etc. i often end up the sidebar not sliding in anymore on a workspace with a maximized winndow
[11:03] <asac> i think it still is realted to mumble :)
[11:03] <asac> aka qt
[11:06] <didrocks> asac: yeah, the stacking issue is known and smspillaz is working on it for the past few weeks
[11:10] <asac> cool
[11:10] <asac> happy to see that going away
[11:17] <RAOF> Laney: colord in git master now has almost no Ubuntu delta, and is uploadable to sid; the remaining diff is icc-profiles-free, which isn't yet in sid.
[11:18] <chrisccoulson_> i will be glad when the stacking issues are fixed so i can start using unity again :)
[11:21] <Laney> RAOF: Excellent. I'm at your service for uploading if you so desire.
[11:21] <Laney> Is -free a splitting of icc-profiles?
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, really need a faster uplink from my house
[11:46] <dupondje> Should I file a bug against policykit when settings in networkmanager & gnome-control-panel are unavailable when my user's primary group is not the same as the username ?
[11:47] <dupondje> or is that a bug in another package?
[11:52] <jbicha> dupondje: crazy question, but what desktop are you using?
[12:04] <dupondje> jbicha: gnome3
[12:09] <Sweetshark> "error: pack-objects died with strange error" <- git is funny sometimes.
[12:18] <dupondje> jbicha: gtg now :) lets hope it gets fixed :D
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti, would you mind targetting bug  841825 for oneiric? i can't do that :)
[14:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 841825 in gcc-4.6 "gcc SIGSEGV when building Firefox and Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841825
[14:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: done
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:05] <didrocks> so, the nautilus desktop windows is showing itself at a very early stage, before it gets its size :/
[14:50] <pitti> didrocks: do you know who would be best to work on bug 839740 ?
[14:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 839740 in zeitgeist-extensions "zeitgeist-daemon crashed with RuntimeError in _check_index(): basic_string::assign" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839740
[14:51] <didrocks> pitti: kamstrup is an upstream, so I guess he's the best fit :)
[14:51] <pitti> didrocks: ah, thanks
[14:51]  * didrocks continues to fight with nautilus :/
[14:51] <pitti> didrocks: ah, merci; assigned
[14:51]  * pitti hands didrocks another spear and club
[14:52] <didrocks> pitti: heh, thanks! :-)
[15:04] <pitti> TTFN, see you tomorrow!
[15:07] <ricotz> pitti, perhaps you could still sync clutter?
[15:08] <ricotz> pitti, first, hello
[15:10] <oier> hi, does the design team also have an irc channel or a mailing list? I have a question for them but don't know how to get in touch with them
[15:11]  * kenvandine waves
[15:19] <jbicha> oier: #ayatana
[15:19] <oier> thanks!
[15:53] <kenvandine> rodrigo__, ping
[15:54] <kenvandine> rodrigo__, can you look at updating gnome-keyring to 3.1.91 ?
[15:54] <kenvandine> it fixes bug 828756
[15:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 828756 in gnome-keyring "getting "connection is untrusted" warnings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828756
[15:55] <rodrigo__> kenvandine, ok
[15:55] <kenvandine> or jbicha... i see you have your name next to it in etherpad :)
[15:55] <rodrigo__> that's a link to the bug, it seems
[15:55] <kenvandine> rodrigo__, i am heading out for vacation, so will be gone for a coupel weeks :)
[15:56] <rodrigo__> kenvandine, oh, cool! have a good time
[15:56] <rodrigo__> and don't worry, we'll break, I mean update, everything :)
[15:56] <kenvandine> i've been waiting for that release... but now i have no time to update it
[15:56] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:56] <kenvandine> thx!
[15:56] <rodrigo__> kenvandine, don't worry, weither jbicha or I will do it
[15:56]  * kenvandine goes back to packing
[15:56] <rodrigo__> jbicha, are you working on it?
[16:18] <jbicha> rodrigo__: I had trouble getting it to compile
[16:18] <rodrigo__> jbicha, do you have a branch I can try?
[16:20] <jbicha> rodrigo__: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-keyring/3.91
[16:21] <jbicha> you're welcome to take it, I'm going to be out for several hours for US Labor Day
[16:21] <rodrigo__> jbicha, ok
[16:22] <jbicha> rodrigo__: you can see my buildlog at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658249
[16:22] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 658249 in gcr "Fails to build from source (gtk_window_destroy)" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[16:24] <rodrigo__> jbicha, ok
[16:36] <rodrigo__> jbicha, hmm, not sure why it fails, it's linking to GTK correctly
[16:36] <rodrigo__> trying a few things...
[16:39] <jbicha> rodrigo__: yeah it looked like it was linking to gtk3, talk to you later
[16:39] <rodrigo__> jbicha, ok, have fun
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo__, did you break the g-s-d volume notifications? ;)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> no beer for you at UDS! :P
[16:42] <rodrigo__> chrisccoulson, not that I know
[16:43] <rodrigo__> :)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo__, yeah, the latest version only indicates min and max volume ;)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> i've just fixed it though
[16:43] <rodrigo__> ok thanks
[16:43] <rodrigo__> I guess we needed to rebase the patch
[16:51] <asac> unity alt-tab is again not disappearing :)
[16:52] <asac> this time there was no mumble or nothing getting closed
[16:52] <asac> anyone wants info before i try to restart unity?
[16:54] <victorp> cyphermox_, we have a bug in checkbox that we want to submit a fix for- do we just follow normal process or is there anything extra we need to do?
[16:55] <dpm> pitti, is it ok to re-enable the oneiric langpacks? If it is, I'll go ahead and do it
[17:01]  * didrocks waves goodnight
[17:39] <cyphermox_> victorp: if there is a fix for it, just follow normal process, and close the bug in changelog (but avoid other changes)
[17:40] <cyphermox_> pitti: I have been working on indicator-network today, up to the point that it has some major issues right now but it works enough to be usable
[17:41] <victorp> cyphermox_, thanks
[17:42] <cyphermox_> victorp: sorry for the delay, am technically off today but I was hacking on stuff (and IRC is a good way to test connection things)
[17:42] <cyphermox_> i'll be happy to sponsor checkbox though
[18:03] <dbarth> hmm, anyone here with super powers to speed up a ppa build? https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/compiz-testing/+builds?build_state=pending
[18:03] <dbarth> thanks in advance
[18:03] <victorp> cyphermox_, thanks - I will ask roadmr or cr3 to catch up with you tomorrow
[18:04] <victorp> dbarth, unfortunately they are all on holidays!!!
[18:12] <dbarth> victorp: ugh, then i guess it's a question of finding someone to lobby in LP admin team
[18:12] <dbarth> thanks for the heads up
[18:17] <dbarth> asac: there is a fix coming for that kind of issue (mumble but other shaped windows trigger a similar race condition)
[18:17] <dbarth> asac: in the ppa i just mentioned (when it's built that is)
[20:22] <asac> dbarth: awesome
[20:23] <micahg> is unity-2d supposed to have the min/max/close buttons in the app window
[20:50] <czajkowski> Aloha
[21:02] <asac> dbarth: that ppa
[21:02] <asac> dbarth: how is that done? is that automatic daily tip?
[21:02] <asac> or something that gets outdated and is not enabled by all DX folks?
[21:03] <asac> i think for rest of oneiric i would be willing to ride the lightning
[21:03] <asac> but wouldnt enable if that is of no benefit or even disturbing etc.


[03:04]  * husnainlatif has started learning how to develop for ubuntu touch :p
[04:42] <mdrjr> Hello, I'm porting Ubuntu Touch for my platform, however I couldn't find instructions or where to set the correct framebuffer device to ubuntu-session.
[04:42] <mdrjr> My platform has multiple fb's and I need to set a specific one (fb6)
[05:51] <kakashi__> hi
[05:51] <kakashi__> where can i find instructions to install ubuntu touch from windows
[05:56] <wilee-nilee> kakashi__, I found this, have not used it, be backed up. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/how-to-flash-ubuntu-touch-from-windows.html
[06:16]  * snwh is away: Away
[07:23] <gnulu> hey all, what's the best device to trying this out... most support, widely used?
[08:09] <AskUbuntu> Is there a way to gain superuser access from a Qt app | http://askubuntu.com/q/308774
[08:51] <zg> hello, I'm trying to run `phablet-flash -b' and it says < waiting for device >
[08:51] <zg> my tablet reboots, goes to fastboot
[08:54] <swordfish> Morning everyone!... I think it's time for me to start contributing to the core apps of ubuntu touch... The problem is where can I start? I know how to work with the launchpad but I have not found any bitesize bug or blue print. Can someone point me in the right direction so that i will make something useful for everyone?...
[09:23] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch for my device | http://askubuntu.com/q/308795
[09:38] <nik90> swordfish: Hi
[09:38] <nik90> swordfish: How familiar are you qml and javascript?
[09:38] <thesignal> Hi there. I build an cm-10.1 base image yesterday, flashed it on my galaxy note 2, downloaded http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip from daily/current and flashed it to... the only think i'm getting now is a black screen with a green dot (just one pixel) in the upper left corner, sometime (weird) the dot is red
[09:38] <nik90> swordfish: or even python for that matter?
[09:38] <thesignal> where can i start to dig in fixing this problem?
[09:40] <popey> perhaps in /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session ?
[09:42] <thesignal> i cant even debug it, right? or is there a way to see the dmesg on the phone?
[09:46] <popey> thesignal: can you not "adb root" & "adb shell"
[09:47] <swordfish> nik90 sorry for the late in the response... I'm decent in both: as a first test for qml I made the minesweeper for Ubuntu Touch which came out quite nicely... I know also python fairly well...
[09:48] <thesignal> popey: was late at night :) didn't even try it. I'm reflashing my phone now. Should I stikc withe the dail/current saucy image or try an older one?
[09:49] <popey> current if i were you
[09:49] <thesignal> popey: ty, trying that now
[09:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, we still seem to ship some NM/polkit related hacks in the build scripts, i wonder if thats what makes NM fall over
[09:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, (vs the new hacks that cyphermox added to the session)
[10:07] <zg> I'm getting an assert failed error when trying to install ubuntu touch
[10:08] <nik90> swordfish: oh yeah. I was trying to remember where I saw your nick
[10:08] <nik90> swordfish: In that case, you don't really need to look for bitesize bugs :P..you can dive in straight
[10:09] <nik90> swordfish: Just choose a particular core app that you might be interested in and get started
[10:09] <nik90> swordfish: ofcourse my *biased* opinion would be to help with the clock-app :-D
[10:09] <popey> heh
[10:10] <swordfish> nik90, ok thank you!... I actuallly like the clock app so its not a problem working there :D ... The problem is what should i do in the application?
[10:10] <popey> swordfish: I'd like to see some more card games like the one Robert Ancell made.. https://launchpad.net/euchre
[10:10] <ogra_> solitaire !!!
[10:11] <popey> i.e. more generic games - not ones that have a corporate tie-in like angry birds..
[10:11] <ogra_> minesweeper isnt everything ...
[10:11] <popey> well, I like it ㋛
[10:12] <ogra_> yeah, but my mpom will never accept a tablet withut solitarie
[10:12] <ogra_> *mom
[10:12] <popey> ☻
[10:12] <swordfish> Games are even better than the clock app! :D (no offense nik90)
[10:12] <nik90> swordfish: hehe :)
[10:13] <popey> well to be fair the clock app is making great progress
[10:13] <swordfish> Ok... Maybe this afternoon i will start a new project!...
[10:13] <nik90> swordfish: looking forward to it!
[10:14] <swordfish> No the clock app is really great! I mean that i prefer to work on games! ;D
[10:14] <nik90> swordfish: we are just messing with you :D
[10:15] <nik90> popey: that said..how do you get those smiley faces.. (trademark secret?)
[10:15]  * ogra_ hopes we'll soon have a pdf solution for the platform api so the first pdf and ebook readers will show up
[10:15] <popey> irssi macro nik90
[10:15] <swordfish> Thank you guys for the tips... Now its time to have lunch in italy! ... See you later!
[10:15] <nik90> swordfish: see you
[10:18] <zg> I'm getting an assert failed error when trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 (i've tried saucy and raring thus far)
[10:19] <ogra_> zbthats not very informative ... pastebin a full log somewhere
[10:19] <ogra_> zg ^^
[10:21] <zg> how do I pastebin a console output from a boot screen
[10:21] <zg> i'll take a photo with my phone
[10:22] <ogra_> did you use phablet-flash to install ?
[10:22] <zg> no
[10:23] <thesignal> popey: i can adb root & shell on it :) but dmesg tells me nothing. where are the session logfiles kept?
[10:23] <zg> i'm doing a manual recovery mode installation
[10:23] <popey> thesignal: /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session
[10:23]  * ogra_ would try that first ... and use the raring/monthly-06 build, thats definitely known to work
[10:24] <zg> how do I get phablet-flash to use raring and not saucy
[10:24] <ogra_> thesignal, if you get a black screen: adb shell logcat -d > logcat.out (from your PC)... and pastebin that file
[10:25] <ogra_> zg, see the help ...
[10:25] <ogra_> you should be ablet to give it a version like raring/monthly-06
[10:25] <ogra_> *able
[10:27] <thesignal> ogra_: thanks for helping, here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/h2yTD3Bp
[10:28] <zg> ogra_: http://i.imgur.com/CzQ2B4a.jpg
[10:28] <ogra_> thesignal, hmm, your android side looks fine, the issue must be on the ubuntu side
[10:29] <ogra_> (surfaceflinger and ubuntu appmanager seem to run properly)
[10:29] <thesignal> ogra_: I'll try the monthly06 build, maybe the daily/current is the problem
[10:29] <ogra_> yeah
[10:29] <thesignal> thanks for having a look
[10:31] <ogra_> zg, hmm, that doesnt look like the ubuntu recovery ... also if you want it to auttomatically install the file on the target device should be named /sdcard/autodeploy.zip (see the manual instructions on the install wikipage)
[10:33] <zg> ogra_: same error..
[10:33] <zg> different filename
[10:33] <zg> (autodeploy.zip)
[10:33] <ogra_> where is that recovery from ?
[10:33] <zg> clockworkmod recovery allows me to select zip from any location
[10:33] <zg> that recovery is from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <ogra_> so does the ubuntu one
[10:34] <zg> and no, it is not invalid, the md5sum is fine
[10:34] <zg> that's been the only support for this issue on askubuntu.com
[10:34] <ogra_> weird, the ubuntu recovery has a violet wallpaper
[10:35] <ogra_> and phablet-flash -b should have put that into place properly
[10:35]  * ogra_ would really recommend to use phablet-flash for the supported devices
[10:35] <zg> there's an assertion error, not a file error
[10:35] <ogra_> your recovery mode has no getprop
[10:36] <zg> that could be the reason
[10:36] <zg> hm
[10:37] <ogra_> also are you 100% sure thats a grouper ?
[10:38] <zg> i'm 110% sure
[10:38] <zg> it says on the boot screen product name grouper
[10:38] <zg> variant grouper
[10:38] <ogra_> k
[10:41] <zg> lol manual installation AKA "I don't have an Ubuntu system"
[10:42] <thesignal> ogra_: i flashed the monthly06 build, but still no luck, what can i do?
[10:44] <thesignal> also, wenn i touch the screen the bottom keys (back and menu) light, they shut off after some time
[10:55] <morphis> ogra_: with the flipped container model are you still flashing phablets boot.img to boot partition or the kernel build by ubuntu?
[10:56] <ogra_> morphis, the kernel is the same for both (coming from the kernel package), i use an ubuntu initrd in the bootimg though
[10:57] <morphis> ah ok
[10:57] <ogra_> thesignal, look at syslog and as popey said at the logs in /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/ something on the ubuntu side fails
[10:57] <morphis> as I am playing with modifications to the android init daemon and wondered where it is now
[10:57] <ogra_> morphis, we use the android initrd as / of the container
[10:59] <ogra_> pulling it from /boot/android-ramdisk.img
[10:59] <zg> ogra_: sending autodeploy.zip to the device isn't going to overdo clockworkmod
[11:00] <ogra_> morphis, if you want to replace androids init, just put your binary into /var/lib/lxc/android/overrides/ ... it wil be copied over the android one before firing up the container
[11:00] <morphis> ogra_: ah, thats pretty nice
[11:01] <ogra_> yeah, helps a lot when playing with init.rc files :)
[11:01] <ogra_> zg, well,  your recovery does definitely not look like an ubuntu one
[11:02] <ogra_> zg, i would pulll the recovery img again from the server and flash it again with fastboot
[11:03] <ogra_> you should see an ubuntu logo instaed of the android and have a violet bg
[11:09] <zg> finally
[11:09] <zg> i think i got it working now..
[11:10] <ogra_> yay
[11:10] <k1l> i see some guys with a x86tablet asking if ubuntu touch will ever run on their devices. as long as u-t depends on surfaceflinger there is no chance, but when mir is the base and its merged into the regular ubuntu this will be possible, right?
[11:10] <ogra_> congrats
[11:12] <ogra_> k1l, well, depends ... the flipped container images will surely improve the possibilities, but currenly the platform-api fully depends on the android layer .... i doubt you will see support for non android x86 tablets before the 14.04 cycle
[11:12] <ogra_> (and for x86 android tablets someone needs to port them to CM10.1
[11:12] <ogra_> )
[11:13] <k1l> yes, i thought about the 14.04 merge. i recall it was the target to have "one ubuntu" and the different unity desktops that fit to the device its installed.
[11:14] <ogra_> well, it will actually be the same desktop/shell ... but differently set up
[11:14] <k1l> thats what i mean :)
[11:14] <ogra_> :)
[11:15] <zg> fucking finally
[11:16] <ogra_> please mind your language :)
[11:16] <zg> haha, the ubuntu recovery is clockworkmod based
[11:16] <zg> sorryu
[11:16] <ogra_> yeah, it is :)
[11:16] <ogra_> in fact the whole android layer is
[11:17] <ogra_> to make porting easier
[11:18] <zg> is the "Deploying Ubuntu Touch..." stage supposed to stall for a bit
[11:19] <zg> It just kind of froze up
[11:19] <ogra_> well, the image is a few 100M big ... give it some time
[11:19] <ogra_> and adb push doesnt really give much feedback
[11:21] <zg> its nice to see ubuntu on my tablet.. six hours later
[11:21] <ogra_> well, phablet-flash would surely have made it easier :)
[11:22] <zg> if I had ubuntu desktop :(
[11:22] <ogra_> ask your distro to package it ;)
[11:24] <zg> no keyboard for network password input?
[11:24] <zg> oh man... is raring really buggy? :(
[11:25] <ogra_> shouldnt
[11:25] <ogra_> specifically monthly-06 saw quite some testing
[11:26] <ogra_> if you now had phablet-tools in your distro you could just use phablet-network-setup to set it up from your PC
[11:26] <zg> ;_;
[11:27] <ogra_> try if it works after a reboot ... might be a race condition (i know we have something like that in saucy, raring should work though)
[11:27] <zg> i'll install saucy
[11:28] <ogra_> thats more buggy, mind you
[11:28] <zg> for science (and testing!)
[11:37] <zg> oh man
[11:37] <zg> this is so unusable :/
[11:37] <zg> >Developer Preview
[11:38] <zg> i'll come back to it in a few months :p
[11:43] <ogra_> funny, given that many people already use it as their daily driver
[11:44] <ogra_> especially raring
[11:44] <ogra_> (saucy images are only a week old, will still need a few days to shake out the bugs)
[11:46] <cdesai> ogra_: raring images aren't flipped, right?
[11:47] <ogra_> right
[11:54] <ogra_> ... and flipped only works on the phones yet ... not on the tablets
[12:05] <Jeroen> Hello
[12:05] <codinho> is there any tool to make a androids snapshot of my nexus4 filesystem in order to restore android in future?
[12:06] <thesignal> ogra_: where is "/home/" located? is in a container?
[12:06] <thesignal> i got /data/ubuntu/ but theres no /home/
[12:06] <thesignal> * in the data/ubuntu/ direcctroy i meant
[12:06] <Jeroen> which files do I need to install it on my Nexus 4? And in which order do I flash?
[12:07] <codinho> thesignal, just check /etc/passwd file
[12:08] <thesignal> codinho: what do you mean?
[12:09] <codinho> thesignal, users home directories paths there usually
[12:09] <thesignal> codinho: i don't even have a passwd file in etc
[12:14] <codinho> thesignal, may be there should be some another etc directory somewhere then
[12:17] <ogra_> thesignal, if /data/ubuntu/home/phablet doesnt exist, there is definitely something wrong
[12:18] <ogra_> this dir is in every ubuntu touch rootfs ... guaranteed
[12:18] <ogra_> sounds like the flashing of the armhf zip didnt work
[12:22] <thesignal> ogra_: but i don't get any errors while flashing
[12:49] <AskUbuntu> Large amount of scrollable text in Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/308859
[13:17] <penguin42> how does ut deal with power management?  Is it just the same components as desktop or do you have some magic for keeping it really low? (Says he playing with an e-ink device that has wonderful power usage)
[13:26] <ogra_> http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=460
[13:26] <ogra_> penguin42, ^^^
[13:26] <penguin42> ogra_: Perfect! thanks
[13:28] <penguin42> ogra_: Nice (I'm not too familiar with them - but it sounds a bit similar to wake locks?)
[13:29] <penguin42> it's got to be said the ereaders do magic on their power usage; months of idle with intuitive instantaneous wake up
[13:29] <ogra_> well, if you mean that suspend is the default state and an app can ask to bring the device ito running state, yes, thats similar
[13:31] <ogra_> ereaders use epaper ... thats quite different HW (only requires power while the content changes, not for displaying)
[13:31] <penguin42> ogra_: Yeh, but the way they bounce into suspend most of the time as well is more what I meant
[13:31] <penguin42> (epaper is weird stuff)
[13:33]  * penguin42 has been running X on his Nook ST and wondered about trying to get it's power back down to something sane
[15:35] <urbanslug> Hey you guys what do I need to learn so as to port ubuntu touch to GT-S5300
[15:35] <urbanslug> Samsung
[15:35] <urbanslug> I have knowledge of C C++ and python but I don't know where to start. I'm a noob.
[16:17] <mhall119> urbanslug: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting might be a good place to get started
[16:18] <javierbuilder> hello i have one  usb panel multitouch ,, how do for  use coordenate exacts in ubuntu touch?
[16:29] <mhall119> javierbuilder: sorry, I don't know.  You should try posting it to askubuntu.com
[16:30] <javierbuilder> thanks.!!
[16:31] <javierbuilder> other question?  how can use component of ubuntu touch  write in qml  in my proyect. in qml
[16:31] <javierbuilder> is easey do this ?
[16:34] <mhall119> yup, as long as you have the packages installed, Qt will know where tofind them
[16:34] <mhall119> have you installed the Ubuntu SDK and followed the currency converter tutorial?
[16:35] <javierbuilder> mm nop i have qt5 compilated
[16:35] <javierbuilder> but not the sdk  ubuntu.
[16:35] <javierbuilder> ubuntu touch use qt4 ?
[16:36] <mhall119> no, qt 5
[16:36] <mhall119> javierbuilder: follow the setup instructions at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[16:42] <javierbuilder> mhall119,  i have write  lot of interfaces UI in qml,  but mi app dont run in mobile else in one  pc desktop with one panel usb multitouch of 32 inch
[16:43] <mhall119> I'm sorry, I didn't understand that
[16:45] <JoseAntonioR> may I help as a translator?
[16:48] <javierbuilder> mm ok try explain better.. , i write one application in qml  for run in one pcdesktop with 32inch monitor.  JoseAntonioR  please if can help .
[16:49] <JoseAntonioR> oh, you say you've written many apps but none for mobile yet, and the only apps you have run in QML but are designed for 32-inches touchscreen monitors
[16:53] <javierbuilder> JoseAntonioR, yes i write one application in qml for 64bits, buts this app need run in desktop not in mobile but with similar skins and moviment similar to smartphone
[16:54] <JoseAntonioR> you still can port the app and re-design it for the ubuntu phone os
[16:54] <javierbuilder> them i buy one panel multitouch  usb but the i can rotate the desktop ubuntu but the  panel usb not changes the coordenates
[16:55] <javierbuilder> firts i ant run my app in 32 inch pc 64bit and  after port
[16:55] <javierbuilder> now i have intalled ubuntu 12.04
[16:56] <javierbuilder> and add utouch witn apt-get
[16:56] <JoseAntonioR> javierbuilder: hablas español? :)
[16:56] <javierbuilder> yes
[16:56] <mhall119> javierbuilder: so we are currently working on some layout components for QML that will let your app change depending on the amount of room it has
[16:56] <javierbuilder> ands write bad englisjh
[16:56] <mhall119> so your one app can work on small moble screens or large desktop screens
[16:56] <mhall119> and it will just show/hide/move components based on available space
[16:57] <mhall119> you can currently do that yourself with QML, but we're working on making it much simpler
[16:57] <javierbuilder> nice !!
[16:57] <javierbuilder>  i can help.
[16:57] <javierbuilder>
[16:58] <mhall119> javierbuilder: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-layouting-implemention is where the work is detailed and where progress will be tracked
[16:59] <mhall119> there should be some initial code landing later this month or early next what app developers can start using to give feedback on what works well and what needs to be changed
[17:01] <javierbuilder> ok i can help  in this.!
[17:03] <mhall119> javierbuilder: you can get a sneak peak at the code in progress here: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/layouts
[17:08] <javierbuilder> i want built menus in qml , this can do with the  sdk for utouch ?
[17:15] <mhall119> kind of, are you talking about simple drop-downs, or like a desktop windows' menus?
[17:22] <javierbuilder> similar at one  menu on footer of smatphone
[17:23] <javierbuilder> and  other with gesture wipe.
[17:23] <Oranger> javierbuilder: The toolbar ?
[17:24] <javierbuilder> yes
[17:24] <Oranger> javierbuilder: Yes you can do it with the ubuntu sdk :)
[17:24] <javierbuilder> nice!!1
[17:24] <Oranger> javierbuilder: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html
[17:24] <javierbuilder> i write qml   much code . without  sdk
[17:25] <mhall119> javierbuilder: there is work being done to unify the toolbar actions, HUD action, and desktop window menus
[17:26] <javierbuilder> Oranger,  but my app run in pc of 64bit with one panel usb multitouch of 32 inch
[17:27] <Oranger> javierbuilder: This api work for pc too, but yes the main is for phone. But like mhall119 said, the api will be unified for pc and mobile
[17:33] <javierbuilder> http://www.cvtouch.com/
[17:33] <javierbuilder> ok ..
[17:33] <javierbuilder> i buy this panel
[17:33] <javierbuilder> ok i work very ahrd for help.
[17:34] <mhall119> javierbuilder: we appreciate any and all contributions
[17:50] <javierbuilder> mhall119,  i have downloades the ubuntu-sdk , now how start to write code ?
[17:50] <mhall119> javierbuilder: follow this tutorial: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/
[17:51] <mhall119> it'll go through starting with creating a new Ubuntu Touch project in Qt Creator
[17:51] <javierbuilder> ok
[17:52] <javierbuilder> i have 2 machines one with parabola and other with ubuntu
[17:52] <javierbuilder> niceeeee
[17:53] <javierbuilder> i can see the qtcreator custom for utouch!
[17:53] <javierbuilder> nice work friends
[17:53] <javierbuilder> !!
[17:56] <javierbuilder> start them with simple ubuntu ui ? or is i have designed  maybe 16 uis in qml create the project for included mys uis
[17:57] <javierbuilder> touchbrcubuntu
[18:19] <javierbuilder> where can found applications building with utouch ?
[18:25] <javierbuilder> where can find examples completed  for  guide
[18:30] <mhall119> javierbuilder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps has a set of apps being developed by a collaboration of Canonical and Community members
[18:30] <mhall119> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection has a longer list of 3rd part development
[18:32] <javierbuilder> nice , one question the gestures work in one device  mutitouch by usb ?
[18:32] <user82> popey, you are on a nexus 4 aren't you?
[18:33] <popey> yup
[18:33] <user82> is the 3g data gui config already working? i did not manage to find information
[18:33] <popey> no. i use a script
[18:34] <mhall119> javierbuilder: I've never had a multi-touch USB device, so I don't kinow
[18:34] <mhall119> in theory they should though, as long as your device has property driver support
[18:34] <javierbuilder> yes  the kernel have all supprt
[18:35] <user82> ok thanks popey
[18:41] <javierbuilder> mhall119,  i need one keyboard on screen .. hoy can use  this  ?
[18:44] <mhall119> javierbuilder: on Touch the on-screen keyboard will appear whenever a component that takes keyboard input gets focus
[18:51] <javierbuilder> ok
[18:52] <javierbuilder> but remember that i dont use one mobile application else desktop
[18:53] <mhall119> javierbuilder: if you use the Ubuntu SDK components, the on-screen keyboard will "just work" when a physical keyboard isn't pluggedin
[18:53] <mhall119> do you need an on-screen keyboard on the desktop?
[18:54] <mhall119> there are some available, I don't know which is more like the Ubuntu Touch keyboard though
[18:54] <husnainlatif> i want a touch keyboard
[18:54] <husnainlatif> :p
[19:03] <AskUbuntu> How can I run a command from a qml script? | http://askubuntu.com/q/308968
[19:15] <javierbuilder> thanks!
[19:15] <javierbuilder> husnainlatif,  jaja yes i build hybrid system
[19:16] <javierbuilder> and geo location maps how do   ?
[19:16] <husnainlatif> javierbuilder,  really?
[19:16] <husnainlatif> i love hyrbrids
[19:16] <husnainlatif> specially sliders :))
[19:18] <mhall119> javierbuilder: use Qt Location's APIs to get long/lat data, that will use the GPS on the device when it's available
[19:18] <mhall119> and I think it falls back to usig geoip when no GPS is available
[19:19] <javierbuilder> remember i use one 64bits.. not mobile dwevice i just use panel usb multitouch of 32 inch
[19:20] <javierbuilder> ok
[19:59] <nofear33> hi
[19:59] <nofear33> anyone here familar with the ubuntu on a nexus 4 device?
[19:59] <nofear33> I have a question reguarding it..
[20:00] <nofear33> can you use 3g/4g or any data connection other than wifi on it?
[20:00] <nofear33> I cannot seem to connect to web outside of wifi.  tho, I am abe make phone calls
[20:02] <mhall119> nofear33: it's possible to use the 3g, yes, but there isn't a graphical way of enabling it just yet
[20:02] <mhall119> there is, however, a way to do it from the commandline
[20:03] <nofear33> okay, there a site i can read up on that that'll help me enable it?
[20:03] <mhall119> nofear33: try http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2013/06/dog-fooding-success-sort-of.html
[20:04] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[20:04] <nofear33> thank you
[20:04] <mhall119> there rick shows a screenshot of him enabling it from the terminal ap
[20:04] <popey> that G+ post details how to, as well
[20:04] <mhall119> yeah, use popey's link
[20:04] <mhall119> popey: this should go in the faq
[20:04] <nofear33> ook thanks
[20:04] <mhall119> or release notes
[20:06] <popey> +1
[20:06] <popey> if nobody has tomorrow we can tidy it up and do it then
[20:07] <nofear33> sorry for so many questions lol
[20:07] <nofear33> i just installed it on my nexus 4
[20:07] <popey> oh dont be sorry
[20:07] <popey> we need to highlight these things
[20:07] <popey> it's all good :D
[20:08] <nofear33> dosnt look like sound is working on it.  I'll have to make 100% sure but so far havent heard any system sounds or anything like that... is there system sounds?
[20:08] <nofear33> il try a video in a sec from youtube
[20:08] <popey> sound works for me on nexus 4
[20:08] <popey> i added a bunch of apps, one is a game called Animal Farm
[20:08] <popey> makes lots of noise ☻
[20:09] <popey> popey
[20:09] <popey> bah
[20:09] <popey> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/post-flash.sh
[20:09] <popey> that script is what I run after flashing
[20:10] <popey> sets UK timezone, adds a load of apps to play with
[20:12] <nofear33> ok sweet.
[20:12] <nofear33> now, next question and is probally dumbest one of em all lol
[20:12] <nofear33> is it possible to use apps from the market
[20:12] <nofear33> like netflix
[20:12] <popey> not yet
[20:13] <popey> well, when you say "market" you mean "Google Play store"?
[20:13] <nofear33> okay soon then hopfully?
[20:13] <nofear33> yeah..
[20:13] <popey> We're not currently planning to support adding native android applications
[20:13] <nofear33> i perodiacally use netflix
[20:13] <nofear33> maby netflix might make an app for it then? lol
[20:14] <popey> maybe ☻
[20:14] <nofear33> or is it possible down the road to emulate it...
[20:14] <popey> or their newly announced html5 version might work
[20:14] <popey> maybe
[20:14] <nofear33> i dont have any problems using an emulator.
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/post-flash.sh > i'm also planning to use that kind of script
[20:14] <nofear33> do u know if there happen to be a multirom that works on the nexus 4?
[20:15] <nofear33>  that way i can dual boot
[20:15] <popey> i dont know, sorry
[20:15] <nofear33> i think they have it for the nexus 7
[20:15] <nofear33> aight n
[20:15] <nofear33> np
[20:16] <Atrix> I wanted to ask: How similar is this project to the Ubuntu for Android that showed up on an Atrix 2?
[20:17] <popey> it's not really that similar
[20:18] <popey> Ubuntu for Android results in a full Android stack and an Ubuntu Desktop stack on the same device
[20:18] <popey> Ubuntu Touch has only got drivers from Android, not the full Dalvik & class libraries
[20:19] <popey> lenios: if you have any suggestions for improving that script, do let me know ☻
[20:19] <Atrix> Were the Atrix 2 project results ever made public?
[20:20] <popey> Well, the Atrix 2 was only used in the early demos.
[20:20] <popey> We moved on to other devices.
[20:20] <popey> But to answer your question, no, Ubuntu for Android is not (yet) public
[20:21] <Atrix> What other devices have you moved on to?
[20:22] <Minste> popey: You could edit your script for me :P Set Norwegian as language, and get me a Norwegian keyboardlayout with letters æ ø å included :D :P
[20:22] <popey> haha Minste ☻
[20:22] <Atrix> I own an Atrix 4g, and to tell you the truth, I was kinda disapponted when I heard that Ubuntu Phone wasn't as flexible as the Ubuntu stack that came with the Atrix for the Webtop functionality
[20:23] <popey> Well they serve different purposes.
[20:23] <lenios> i'm waiting for a way to change keyboard layout, i'm french but i need to write chinese and japanese
[20:23] <Minste> setting Norwegian as language isn't a problem, but I'm stuck with keyboardlayout :/
[20:23] <popey> and the Atrix is quite an aged phone comparatively
[20:24] <Atrix> Not that these things don't age in as fast as six months, but I hear you
[20:24] <Atrix> Recently bought a Razr, mainly for the Webtop functionality and the Maverick Ubuntu that comes with it
[20:24] <Atrix> The Razr itself is now ages old, but the age on the Atrix is showing
[20:25] <Minste> lenios: if you find a way, please let me know. without the letters æ ø å im stuck with Android :S
[20:26] <Atrix> I don't own an HDMI monitor so I can't just yet mess too much with the Razr, but it's probably getting LXDE installed and getting repo access this week
[20:32] <lenios> if ubuntu touch is using maliit, there are plugins for chinese and japanese input
[20:33] <Minste> lenios: check release notes.
[20:33] <Minste> it says you could use maliit :)
[20:34] <lenios> i don't remember exactly, but i have a feeling it changed some time ago
[20:34] <lenios> not sure what is used by default today
[20:34] <Minste> okay. maybe thats the reason it wont work when I try..
[20:36] <javierbuilder> soem developr  that can help me ?
[20:36] <lenios> according to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-apps-osk , chinese has been tested in may
[20:36] <lenios> and maliit replaced nemo
[20:37] <lenios> so could be worth giving a try
[20:37] <javierbuilder> maliitframework use unity for keyboard  on-screen
[20:37] <javierbuilder> ?
[20:38] <Minste> lenios: well. there is a step-by-step in release notes. But I'm doing something wrong, cause I can't get it Norwegian even no.xml is listed in the maliit folder
[20:39] <Minste> javierbuilder: hopefully, yes. check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes under Language and keyboard
[20:39] <javierbuilder> niceeeee!!!!
[20:39] <javierbuilder>  i maintein maliit frame work in parabolagnulinux
[20:40] <javierbuilder> but the utouch is excelent
[20:42] <javierbuilder> and the gestures how implement the utouch ?
[20:42] <javierbuilder> Minste,  ?
[20:49] <Minste> javabuilder: i have no idea :/ I'm not into developing or something. just querious and hopefully trying to use it as my daily driver. calender-app sync with google and norwegian is where it stops for me right now..
[20:55] <Oranger> Minste: You want it to sync ?
[20:56] <Minste> Oranger: yes, both ways.
[20:56] <Oranger> Minste: Did you ask it to the calendar-app team ?
[20:59] <Minste> Oranger: not yet. have to get Norwegian keyboard-layout first. Calendar-sync will work at a time, and I can wait for that. but not keyboard-leyout :/
[21:00] <Minste> layout*
[21:00] <Oranger> Minste: Oh yes, that's something important !
[21:00] <Oranger> Minste: But I think the team is working on that
[21:00] <Minste> :D
[21:36] <javierbuilder> Oranger, in one screen who is the xmin, xmax ymin and ymax coordenate. ? where start the xmin in one screen
[23:17] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch and iPhone | http://askubuntu.com/q/309036
[23:20] <k1l> uh, iphone :)


[16:28] <slangasek> hrm.  why is syncpackage telling me that freetype is blacklisted, when precise has 2.4.7-1?
[16:30]  * slangasek forgets where the webpage is that shows the LP blacklist
[16:30] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+localpackagediffs?field.name_filter=freetype&field.package_type=all&field.package_type-empty-marker=1
[16:30] <slangasek> ta
[16:30] <Laney> as for "why", no idea
[16:30] <Laney> but archive admins can turn it off there
[16:31] <tumbleweed> there's a bug in the auto blacklisting
[16:31] <Laney> probably because it ahead of wheezy
[16:31] <slangasek> tumbleweed: is there a bug #?
[16:31] <tumbleweed> bug 841372
[16:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 841372 in launchpad "Incorrect auto-blacklisting in DSD? (affects: 1) (heat: 27)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841372
[16:31] <slangasek> Laney: I didn't get this previously for packages I synced from unstable
[16:33] <tumbleweed> yeah it happens randomly with some packages
[16:33] <Laney> ok, maybe that bug then
[16:33] <tumbleweed> well presumably not randomly :)
[16:33] <tumbleweed> if this goes on for too long, we should make syncpackage spit out that bug number
[16:34] <Laney> why do we care about blacklisted_current in ubuntu?
[16:34] <tumbleweed> yeah, maybe we shouldn't. We certainly aren't using it yet
[16:35] <tumbleweed> I could see it being handy for saying "nothing interesting here"...
[16:36] <Laney> given that only archive admins can set it ...
[16:37]  * tumbleweed notices that syncs aren't greyed out on oneiric's +localpackagediffs page. I hope that doesn't mean pressing sync will do anything
[16:38] <Laney> it'll get rejected if it goes through
[16:38] <Laney> ime
[16:39] <slangasek> Laney: "given that only archive admins can set it" - er, but that's exactly how blacklisting of packages has always happened?
[16:40] <Laney> slangasek: we were talking about the "these versions" bit
[16:40] <slangasek> but then I don't know what "blacklisted_current" means either
[16:40] <Laney> which is what blocked your sync
[16:40] <slangasek> ok
[16:40] <Laney> and whether it has any meaning for ubuntu
[16:40] <slangasek> right, I can't figure out what that would mean
[16:40] <slangasek> (conceptually within Ubuntu)
[16:41] <tumbleweed> this version is bad, don't sync it
[16:41] <Laney> yeah
[16:41] <tumbleweed> IIRC it goes away as soon as either side changes
[16:41] <cjwatson> which in itself suggests that it's useless for the stated use case
[16:42] <cjwatson> somebody uploads something unrelated, you lose your note
[16:42] <Laney> it seems like we should just ignore it for ubuntu as long as it has no use for us
[16:43]  * slangasek concurs
[16:43]  * tumbleweed makes that happen
[16:43] <Laney> we could make syncpackage print out the comments if there are any
[16:43] <Laney> i can't remember if they are tied to version pairs?
[16:43] <tumbleweed> Laney: it currently prints the comments when there's a blacklist, but noth otherwise
[16:44] <tumbleweed> no, comments are just a list. There's no knowing what comment applies to which decade :/
[16:45] <Laney> display the date so that at least people can see how stale it is?
[16:45] <Laney> and ask LP to please let us delete or hide old comments
[19:55] <tumbleweed> looks like dssi & nautilus-image-converter don't need to be blacklisted any more. No more mismatch
[20:54] <stgraber> skaet, cjwatson, Daviey: So looking at Drupal's xmlrpc support, authentication is something the module would have to implement itself which I'd rather avoid doing at the moment. Would we be fine restricting write access to the API by IP?
[20:55] <stgraber> I guess the biggest use would be to push new builds and to push new results, I'm pretty sure IP based restriction is fine for the former, not sure for the later.
[20:57] <skaet> stgraber, case that's worrying me is community testers logging test results.  Is this just for the admin interface or user too?
[20:59] <stgraber> skaet: that's for the scripting API. Adding a build is definitely an admin task, pushing results could be used by a regular user though I don't think it'd be that useful.
[20:59] <stgraber> I think the "add build" API is really for pushing new builds from antimony and the "add result" API is for jenkins/automated testing posting results automatically
[21:00] <skaet> stgraber,  if that's the case, then I can't think of a reason why we can't live with that for now.
[21:00] <skaet> jibel, ^^  can you see any issues?
[21:01] <stgraber> I think it's a reasonable limitation for now and if we get pressure from the community to have access to the API, I can then spend the time to implement proper authentication in there
[21:01]  * skaet nods
[21:23] <stgraber> >>> import xmlrpclib
[21:23] <stgraber> >>> rpc_srv = xmlrpclib.ServerProxy("http://<IP_ADDRESS>/xmlrpc.php")
[21:23] <stgraber> >>> rpc_srv.qatracker.builds.add(3, '12345', False)
[21:23] <stgraber> True
[21:24] <stgraber> cjwatson: ^ that's what the new API looks like from python
[21:24] <stgraber> with the parameters being: product_id, version, email_notify
[21:54] <jdstrand> skaet: hey. so I just added a bunch of tags to things, and wouldn't you know it, they showed up on everyone elses list
[21:54] <jdstrand> skaet: the kernel is fine, but it seems http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html is not aware that my team will handle apparmor
[21:55] <skaet> jdstrand,  hmm,   tool probably needs to pull a refresh from the spreadsheet again.
[21:55] <skaet> will look into it.
[21:56] <jdstrand> skaet: thanks
[21:56] <jdstrand> otherwise Daviey will come knocking on my door
[21:57] <skaet> chuckle,  and we can't have that.  ;)
[21:57] <jdstrand> nooo!
[21:57] <skaet> lol
[22:49] <tumbleweed> grumble, we have a missed (tiny) transition in oneiric, bug 882265. Uploaded botan1.8, should I wait for it to be NEWed before uploading the 3 rebuilds?
[22:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 882265 in botan1.8 (Debian) (and 8 other projects) "libbotan-1.8.2.so not found (affects: 9) (dups: 4) (heat: 44)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882265
[22:50] <micahg> tumbleweed: it was Debian's fault for not bumping soname I think
[22:51] <tumbleweed> the debian maintainer screwed up royally, then spent 2 uploads fixing it :P
[22:51]  * micahg is glad someone else took care of it :)
[22:52] <tumbleweed> I only saw it because it was filed against mercurial by accident, and I get python team e-mail...


 How do I import my old keys to tomb? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> AngryAutos: yes, i would)
 if I am reading my docs on gpg4usb right it has keyring files for all your keys that tomb or gpg on the systen natively can open.  Havent tested that to confirm or not though. (re @AngryAutos: How do I import my old keys to tomb?)
 not sure though tomb is a direct alternative depending on what your use cases are though
[10:48] <tomreyn> ture, it may not be a direct replacement, dopending on the use case


[00:03] <denza242> northarrow: can you provide a screenshot perjaps
[00:03] <denza242> *perhaps
[00:12] <northarrow> denza24: I am going to try that
[00:15] <northarrow> denza24: Ok, this is like pastebin but for photos: http://ibin.co/2JWW5WfZuHey
[01:42] <Strav> Anyone else having issues with kmail's systray icon on kubuntu 15.10? (namely: there is no icon, hovering the mouse over the space reserved for it shows kmail2 but clicking yields no menu)
[01:43] <Strav> Btw, I have the same issue on a guest account so it does not seems to be related to a user config peculiarity.
[02:58] <w03j> I accidentally set my monitor to off with xrandr and lightdm, how do I restart it?
[07:43] <svend-ev> Good morning
[07:45] <valorie> hi svend-ev
[08:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:25] <Vimar> Hi
[11:27] <Vimar> I cant work on KDE because of plasma crash, the dekstop is completely black, Anybody had this problem...?
[11:35] <soee> Vimar: wha Kubuntu version  ?
[11:40] <xela2244> hi i'm using kubuntu 15.04 and i missing .local/share/icons. help
[11:41] <xela2244> i'm missing
[11:41] <alvin> Vimar: Can you still do <Ctrl>+<F2> to get krunner?
[11:43] <rikimaru8> hi
[11:46] <soee> hiho rikimaru8
[11:48] <rikimaru8> somebody know where i can find movies cd-s to download??
[11:48] <rikimaru8> please i'm rookies on this!
[11:49] <rikimaru8> hi to all!
[12:34] <yossarianuk> rikimaru8: are you asking where to pirate music/films?
[12:43] <Mr_Hat> hello?
[12:45] <soee> hiho Mr_Hat
[12:48] <Mr_Hat> so I'm not sure whether this is the right place to turn to, still since I haven't found any forum threads anywhere I'll just give it a shot.So when i boot on my kubuntu (15) partition i manage to get to the log in dialog but after that one i end up stuck at the loading screen (with that blue bar rigth in the middle) booting in recovery mode it then turns into a black screnn with a moveable mouse after a while the screen locks and i g
[12:48] <Mr_Hat> i am however able to enter my file system by ctrl alt f3
[12:49] <Mr_Hat> hi soee
[12:54] <soee> Mr_Hat: are you on 15.04 ?
[12:54] <Mr_Hat> i guess
[12:54] <soee> do you have backports ppa enabled ?
[12:55] <Mr_Hat> uhm
[12:55] <Mr_Hat> dunno
[12:55] <Mr_Hat> i ran that repair packages option
[12:56] <Mr_Hat> in recovery mode
[13:23] <soee> Mr_Hat: add packports ppa, upgrade system and check than
[13:24] <Mr_Hat> like this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name?
[13:25] <Guest74081> help enable root
[13:25] <Guest74081> no user
[13:26] <radoen> hi all guys
[13:28] <Mr_Hat> k brb
[13:28] <radoen> I've a trouble on my pc, after something (maybe after some package update) I can login to my desktop and Dolphin correctly restore last session's stuff, but I'm unable to lunch anything else (e.g. a terminal)  and plasma bar dont appears ... ideas?
[13:29] <hateball> !root | Guest74081
[13:38] <Mr_Hat> ok i ran sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:40] <Mr_Hat> then it returned an error reading: softwareproperties.ppa.PPAException: 'Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kubuntu-ppa:[Errno -3] Temporary failure in name resolution'
[13:43] <Mr_Hat> soee: u here?
[13:44] <lordievader> Mr_Hat: Do you have an active internet connection?
[13:45] <Mr_Hat> i think so
[13:45] <Mr_Hat> i can access it on my win partition
[13:49] <lordievader> Mr_Hat: Can you resolve 'google.com'?
[13:49] <Mr_Hat> from the shell?
[13:49] <lordievader> Mr_Hat: From where you ran the add-apt-repository command.
[13:50] <Mr_Hat> i'll try
[13:50] <Mr_Hat> brb
[13:51] <lordievader> Ugh... this doesn't work.
[14:23] <radoen> Any ideas about my question?
[14:26] <lordievader> radoen: Are you in the rescue environment now?
[14:26] <radoen> no, I'm from my another PC
[14:26] <radoen> I cant open the terminal avaible on F1....F12
[14:27] <radoen> and I dont know how to enter in rescue mode
[14:27] <lordievader> radoen: Where did you run the add-apt command last time?
[14:27] <radoen> umh in a konsole window
[14:28] <lordievader> radoen: Okay, can you resolve 'google.com'?
[14:28] <lordievader> In that konsole.
[14:28] <radoen> no no wait
[14:29] <radoen> now I cant open a konsole
[14:29] <lordievader> What?
[14:29] <radoen> when I turn on pc and log in KDE dolphin restore last window
[14:29] <radoen> but I cant open nothing else
[14:30] <lordievader> radoen: Krunner doesn't work?
[14:30] <radoen> it run but anthing I try to run dont start
[14:30] <radoen> and krunner dont "resolve" the application
[14:31] <radoen> but from dolphin, opened automatically at login, i can open files, logs... etc
[14:31] <radoen> It's strange
[14:32] <lordievader> radoen: Resolve ain't a command.. Any how can you still go to tty2? (ctrl + alt + f2)
[14:32] <radoen> no i cant
[14:33] <radoen> if I try only black screen
[14:35] <lordievader> radoen: Hmm, can you boot it into the rescue mode? (Hold shift after the bios)
[14:35] <radoen> umh I'll try that
[15:24] <Mr_Hat> lordievader: i fixed my internet conn and ran sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports. then i ran sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:25] <Mr_Hat> same issue as before ecept there's a new background in the log-in screen now
[15:26] <Mr_Hat> then i ran repair broken packages in the recovery mode again
[15:26] <Mr_Hat> same issue
[15:52] <ejay> Double screen setup is so broken.
[15:53] <lordievader> ejay: It works fine here. (But I use Gentoo though)
[15:53] <ejay> It's like trying to make printer work couple years ago.
[15:54] <ejay> Or wireless connetion drivers.
[15:54] <ejay> lordievader: I'm pretty sure that "work fine" is still not what I would excpect.
[15:55] <lordievader> ejay: The issue you have described is not present here. I only see one issue, switching from 1 to 2 screens, or vice versa, gives garbage on the screen for a couple of seconds.
[15:56] <lordievader> And I tried to help you yesterday, but you ignored it.
[15:57] <ejay> I'm trying to fix this double screen mess and what? Plasma crashed.
[16:03] <ejay> And in a gods name why those apps are goin to secondary screen even when secondary is not present?!  That's just retarded.
[16:04] <lordievader> Did you take a look at the window placement algorithm settings?
[16:15] <ejay> Regarding my double screen problems - how can I revert kdes screens settings. I'm asking becouse now secondary is just black and I cant even change a wallpaper. Windows still goes to secondary becouse ef logic.
[16:19] <abrahams> ejay: you may try emptying out ~/.local/share/kscreen/*
[16:22] <ejay> abrahams: do I have to restart plasma after that?
[16:22] <abrahams> ejay: I would go ahead and restart sddm
[16:26] <ejay> abrahams: yup, now I've got wallpaper back on my secondary. And all windows on secondary. But with a background image at least. Plasma5 is great. Yay.
[16:26] <abrahams> (-:
[16:29] <ejay> Ok, let's forget about broken as all hell double screen handling in plasma5. I would like to know if it's possible to make kwin rules for non-qt non-gtk applications? I'm testing Vivaldi browser and I'm not sure on what framework it is built but kwin rules just do not apply. Any ideas?
[16:30] <kurkinen> hello everyone
[16:30] <kurkinen> could someone help me with groups
[16:47] <Bram___> hey all, I got a question about the icons-only task manager
[16:49] <Bram___> it currently groups applications, but I would prefer that it only group windows that are in the same process, like in window 8./10
[17:15] <Simonious> so.. I'm working on my .screenrc and I want a process to start in a screen after the previous process terminates w/o existing screen.  Sometimes I can make this work, but usually I can't and I'm not sure how/why.  so.. in simplest terms say I've got in screenrc: screen -t delay sh -c "sleep2"; <new process here>       <-something like this..  how do I make this work reliably?
[17:30] <lordievader> ejay: Did you take a look at the window placement algorithm settings?
[17:33] <ejay> lordievader: Do you mean "show windows under mouse" thing?
[17:34] <ejay> mouse pointer*
[17:55] <silicate> hey there, i have a problem: i clicked the logout button on my KDE5 and the taskbar has dissapeared
[17:56] <silicate> has this happened to anyone else? is there a way to reset the desktop session to default?
[17:56] <ejay> silicate: did wallpaper dissapeared as well?
[17:57] <silicate> yeah its a black screen
[17:57] <ejay> silicate: plasma crashed
[17:58] <silicate> so it seems, i was able to get to a sessions menu but the keyboard shortcut has ceased working
[17:58] <ejay> silicate: if everything is black after reboot you need to remove ksycoca5 files from .cache and then run ksycoca5build. Or just try to run plasmashell if you still have terminal open.
[18:01] <lordievader> ejay: For example yes. And disable the window snapping thing.
[18:02] <silicate> i renamed ksycoca5 but ksycoca5build was command not found
[18:02] <ejay> silicate: kbuildsycoca5, sorry
[18:03] <silicate> ahh nice thx
[18:03] <silicate> lemme give it a try
[18:05] <ejay> lordievader: this "windows under mouse pointer" is not working. Hell, even kwin rules are not helping. I guess that this dual screen sytuation is something I need to get used to. This and many, many other unwanted extras that plasma gave me. Thanks for tip anyway.
[18:06] <silicate_> well that helped
[18:06] <silicate_> but it seems i'll have to rebuild the whole menu again
[18:06] <ejay> silicate_: are you new to plasma5?
[18:07] <silicate_> not really this has happened the last 5-6 times ive used it
[18:07] <silicate_> i usually just make a new account
[18:07] <silicate_> or reinstall
[18:07] <silicate_> lel
[18:07] <ejay> silicate_: I'm asking becouse those plasmacrashes are super common.
[18:07] <silicate_> yeah its happened before a few times
[18:08] <lordievader> ejay: What version of Kubuntu and plasma are you running?
[18:09] <ejay> lordievader: 15.10 up-to-date
[18:09] <Guest40543> хочу в команду разработчиков ... дайте нужный софт
[18:10] <lordievader> ejay: With backports?
[18:10] <neon__> нуы
[18:10] <neon__> ) yes
[18:10] <ejay> lordievader: no
[18:11] <silicate_> i think so I decided to go to unstable route since im a rennegade
[18:11] <silicate_> i just added the default panel again and its back to normal
[18:11] <neon__> dowload pack
[18:11] <neon__> url
[18:11] <lordievader> ejay: Hmm, you should enable those: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:13] <neon__> !op
[18:13] <neon__> !help
[18:15] <ejay> lordievader: ok, but question is - will I end up with even more broken plasma?
[18:15] <ejay> lordievader: I mean - I'm already used to those crashes and strange behaviours, don't want new problems.
[18:16] <genii> neon__: Please don't use !ops unless there is some emergency in the channel
[18:18] <genii> !ru | neon__
[18:22] <silicate_> thank you for the help
[18:26] <ejay> lordievader: I've updated kubuntu with this backports. Nothing fancy to be honest. ;)
[18:26] <lordievader> Newer version of plasma.
[18:27] <lordievader> 5.3 instead of 5.2
[18:27] <ejay> lordievader: I can see amarok and couple of not-so-important apps.
[18:27] <ejay> lordievader: I'm on 5.4.2 already
[18:30] <makkelmock> anyone ever accidentally turned a monitor off with xrandr? I can't turn it back on from the ttf terminal
[18:35] <lordievader> ejay: How?
[18:35] <lordievader> Does the backports carry 5.4 nowadays?
[18:36] <denza242> CI does
[18:41] <ejay> lordievader: I don't know how. I'm just on 15.10 and upgrading everyday. Info center shows KDE 5.4.2, QT 5.4.2, kernel 4.2.0-16.
[18:42] <ejay> Couple last days they shiped some heavy updates with a lot of kframework stuff.
[18:47] <lordievader> Guess 5.4 got packaged for Vivid.
[19:37] <TheClaus> I have an odd problem.  I like to reverse my scroll and enabled it under Settings but it doesn't work when I am running Chromium.  Any ideas.  15.04 is what I am running
[20:53] <_zsc_> hi, i'm having trouble with Nvidia drivers on dual monitor.  anyone can help?
[20:54] <soee> hi _zsc_, what trouble ?
[20:56] <_zsc_> hi soee, I have ppas from ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates and xorg-edgers. Then I installed driver 346.96 from Driver Manager.  All was working well, steam, etc... until my monitors went into standby.
[20:57] <_zsc_> Now, only one monitor will turn on even after reboot.  I have tried setting displays again using KDE Display settings and nvidia-settings.
[20:58] <_zsc_> I also manually set these settings in xorg.conf:
[20:58] <_zsc_> Option "RegistryDwords" "PerfLevelSrc=0x2222"
[20:58] <_zsc_> Option "TripleBuffer" "True"
[20:58] <_zsc_> I am using 780ti
[20:58] <_zsc_> thanks
[20:58] <_zsc_> kubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[21:31] <Mamarok> _zsc_: the monitors are connected how? I have trouble sometimes with two external monitors connected through Display port on a laptop port and docking station port, that is a hardware issue, happens sporadically on reboot or when powermanagement switches off the monitors
[21:43] <_zsc_> @Mamarok: 1080p over HDMI and 900p over VGA/D-SUB
[21:43] <_zsc_> 1080p is the one that has shut off
[21:47] <_zsc_> actually, 900p is GPU>DVI->VGA>Screen ;)
[21:47] <Mamarok> _zsc_: and you did check the cable I presume, especially if it doesn't turn on at all
[21:48] <_zsc_> Yeah.  I am dual-booting windows 10 and this on  separate SSDs.  Dual-display works fine in Win10
[21:49] <_zsc_> As I said, it just stopped working after going into/coming out of desktop standby :/
[21:49] <Mamarok> ok, so not a hardware issue, at least thatis settled. Sadly I can't help much more, you will have to wait for somebody else to chime in
[21:49] <_zsc_> If I add another X-screen in nvidia-config, I can get it to display a new desktop, but not much good to me
[21:50] <_zsc_> cheers, it's just frustrating because it was working perfectly :(
[21:53] <Mamarok> understandably so, my bad display port connections are driving me crazy as well
[21:57] <_zsc_> such a beautiful OS let down by my GPU manufacturer ;(
[21:59] <_zsc_> just found #nvidia, will try there