[00:05] <mspencer> When I'm in the dash and press Alt+F2, the dash goes away but the command lens doesn't come up. However, when I'm in the dash and press Alt, the HUD comes up. Is the dash going away a feature or a bug?
[00:06] <mspencer> This has been reported as LP #1019457, I just wanted to check that this a bug and not a feature before I work on fixing it.
[00:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1019457 in unity (Ubuntu) "The Dash closes when trying to switch to the Command lens (Alt+F2)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1019457
[00:45] <bschaefer> mspencer, it is a bug
[00:45] <bschaefer> if it wasn't a bug, super+a should close the dash, but it switches to the applications lens
[01:11] <TheMuso> p/c
[03:40] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you know much about udev tagging?
[03:40] <robert_ancell> in particular around video devices
[04:15] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Not particularly; what are you after?
[04:15] <robert_ancell> RAOF, just trying to understand how display devices are tagged for multi-seat
[04:15] <robert_ancell> RAOF, and trying to browse the current tags on my devices
[04:19] <RAOF> I believe that's up to some special udev rules; I don't believe we allocate things to seats at the moment.
[04:21] <robert_ancell> RAOF, but where are the current tags stored?
[04:21] <robert_ancell> are there any tags by default?
[04:22] <RAOF> In the udev db? You can get at that with “mdadm info --export-db”
[04:22] <RAOF> As I understand it, all udev tags are added by udev rules; there's nothing built in.
[04:22] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's as I understand it too
[04:23] <robert_ancell> RAOF, "mdadm - manage MD devices aka Linux Software RAID" - is that right?
[04:24] <RAOF> Ahem. Sorry, *udevadm*
[04:24] <robert_ancell> ah, that's what I wanted. I was struggling to work out how to use udevadm
[04:26] <robert_ancell> RAOF, one last question - is there a standard way of telling what is a "video" device?
[04:28] <RAOF> Not as far as I know; you could probably check for the SUBSYSTEM=graphics, though.
[04:46] <pitti> Good morning
[04:47] <sarnold> pitti: isn't it still unreasonably early for you? :)
[04:49] <pitti> hehe
[04:55] <pitti> 16866 martin    20   0 1172m 439m  45m D 185,2 11,7   7:53.46 firefox
[04:55] <pitti> eek, firefox taking 2 CPUs without doing anything?
[06:04] <didrocks> good morning
[06:18] <pitti> bonjour didrocks!
[06:18] <pitti> err
[06:18] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:18] <didrocks> :-)
[06:18] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti!
[06:18]  * pitti still didn't get used to the weird French punctuation
[06:18] <didrocks> how are you?
[06:18] <pitti> mir gehts gut, danke!
[06:18] <didrocks> pitti: c'est facile, à chaque fois qu'il y a 2 éléments, comme ; : ! tu rajoutes une espace devant
[06:19] <didrocks> , n'a qu'un élement -> pas d'espace
[06:21] <pitti> like, you put a space in front of all punctuation except "." and "," or so?
[06:24] <didrocks> yeah, mostly
[06:25] <pitti> so, that's the part I need to get used to, as it looks weird in my eyes
[06:29] <didrocks> s/weird/the right way/ :-)
[06:29] <pitti> noooon!
[07:33] <chrisccoulson> good morning desktoppers
[07:33] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, you around?
[07:35] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[07:35] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti. i'm not too bad thanks, how are you?
[07:36] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!
[07:36] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "not too bad" -> not ubuflu, I hope?
[07:36] <chrisccoulson> oh, no, i had that at the start of UDS ;)
[07:36] <chrisccoulson> just a bit tired
[08:18] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Yo!
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF. did you say last week at UDS that you had a machine with ATI graphics (using the proprietary driver)?
[08:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh, small question, do you know if there is an option to disable the popup appearing when you press n to go to next unread message if there is none but in the next folder?
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i'm not sure about that. i don't think i've ever seen it because i never get my unread count to zero ;)
[08:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh :p ok, I'll dig in the options
[08:38] <larsu> good morning :)
[08:42] <didrocks> hey larsu! how are you?
[08:43] <larsu> didrocks, feel good from the gym :) And you?
[08:44] <didrocks> larsu: I'm fine, thanks! just finished the morning catching up (2h45), and now, can start really working :)
[08:44] <larsu> didrocks, dude, you get up too early :P
[08:45] <didrocks> larsu: won't beat pitti though :)
[08:45] <larsu> noone beats the pitti
[08:45] <pitti> hey larsu
[08:45] <larsu> good morning pitti, how are you?
[08:45] <pitti> well, you all beat me with staying longer in the evening :)
[08:45] <pitti> larsu: quite fine, thanks! almost lunch break :-D
[08:45] <larsu> lol
[08:45] <didrocks> pitti: heh, in some way :)
[08:45] <pitti> nah, I actually have breakfast around 8 or so, a civil time
[08:46] <pitti> can't eat at 6 yet
[08:46]  * didrocks dig and find https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/+junk/hudson-infrastructure.dx will be useful again!
[08:47] <didrocks> heh, same here. Getting my breakfast while reading blogs at 8:30
[08:48]  * duflu wonders if "breakfast" is another word for first pot of coffee
[08:48] <pitti> to me, it's "one pot of cereals"
[08:48] <didrocks> duflu: mostly, yeah ;)
[08:51] <chrisccoulson> ooh, i've not made any coffee yet
[09:00] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: I do, but it's currently in the process of getting a ubiquity bug filed from it because ubiquity doesn't see its windows partition.
[09:04] <xnox> RAOF: is that using raring or quantal? with or without windows recovery partitions? Full disk layout would be nice to have.
[09:05] <RAOF> xnox: I last did it with Quantal; I'll check with raring soon. What logs are you after?
[09:07] <Laney> desrt: sure. do you have a failure case there?
[09:07] <xnox> RAOF: no, don't use raring yet. I am after `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` which will pull in syslog, /var/log/partman & /var/log/installer/*
[09:08] <RAOF> xnox: Cool. Will do sometime in the next couple of days.
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, when you get some time, could you please try a firefox nightly on it and tell me if you see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798157 ?
[09:10] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 798157 in Widget: Gtk "awesome bar dropdown background color is missing and looks wrong" [Normal,New]
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, PPA's all out of space again
[09:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. i'm good thanks, and you?
[09:53] <seb128> good as well, thank you
[09:54] <dpm> hey all, good morning
[09:55] <dpm> are there any online accounts experts around? I'm getting this message upon login, and I'm not sure what to do: http://ubuntuone.com/7ErPvE13rCjoEdeigijaZC - basically, it opens up the old online accounts dialog when I click on "Open online accounts..."
[09:56] <seb128> dpm, hey, how are you?
[09:56] <seb128> dpm, seems like an evolution issue...
[09:57] <dpm> morning seb128, I'm good, thanks :) you?
[09:57] <seb128> dpm, good as well, thanks ;-)
[09:58] <dpm> any ideas on how to find out what it could be? I haven't got evo installed here, so I'm guessing it might be something to do with e-d-s?
[10:03] <seb128> dpm, yeah, the gnome-online-account stuff are in eds
[10:04] <seb128> dpm, try asking on irc.gimp.org #evolution?
[10:05] <dpm> gosh, I haven't been in that channel for years and years. This will bring back some memories ;)
[10:06] <seb128> ;-)
[10:23] <conscioususer> desrt: ping
[10:24] <larsu> conscioususer, desrt is probably not awake yet :)
[10:24] <conscioususer> larsu: that's fine, you are :P
[10:24] <larsu> true :)
[10:25] <conscioususer> larsu: had one more gapplication question, do you have some mins?
[10:25] <larsu> conscioususer, sure
[10:27] <conscioususer> larsu: according to what desrt said to me yesterday, I'm supposed to diassamble the command line and activate actions on the gtkapp as appropriate
[10:28] <conscioususer> larsu: Example 19 in developer.gnome.org/gio/unstable/GApplication.html seems to do that, but looks a little weird
[10:29] <conscioususer> larsu: it seems to assume I only want to consider command-line parameters if the app is already running, which is not always the case
[10:30] <larsu> conscioususer, right, that example is indeed a bit strange
[10:31] <conscioususer> larsu: what should I do if want a parameter to be considered also when the app starts?
[10:32] <larsu> conscioususer, exactly the same thing, but only exit the process when g_application_register returns false (which means that there's already  an instance running)
[10:33] <larsu> you need to set up your actions before that, though :)
[10:33] <larsu> but activating actions works the same in the local process as it does over the bus
[10:34] <conscioususer> larsu: but that means I'll be calling register() regardless of circumstances, right?
[10:34] <conscioususer> larsu: this feels a little redundant, as run() starts by calling register()
[10:35] <conscioususer> larsu: no errors happen, but still it feels a little dirty :P
[10:38] <larsu> conscioususer, I agree. And now I'm trying to think of a reason why you need to call register at all :)
[10:38] <larsu> oh, you need a bus connection to the main instance before you can activate actions
[10:39] <conscioususer> larsu: yeah, I learned this through an error message :)
[10:39] <larsu> heh
[10:41] <conscioususer> larsu: well, register *does* seem to be prepared for being called multiple times...
[10:41] <larsu> conscioususer, yeah, but you need to call it at least once before you can find out if you're a launcher or the primary instance
[10:42] <conscioususer> larsu: yes
[10:43] <conscioususer> larsu: I'm remembering now, I think that's how I ended up using activate instead of run
[10:44] <conscioususer> larsu: I thought calling run was redundant wrt to register
[10:45] <conscioususer> larsu: but only calling activate does not make the main loop start running, so I put Gtk.main in there... yeah, that's how the snowball grew
[10:45] <larsu> conscioususer, ah, makes sense :)
[10:45] <conscioususer> larsu: so I guess calling run even if you already called register is the right way
[10:45] <larsu> conscioususer, GApplication really does too much, it should have been two classes really
[10:45] <larsu> conscioususer, yep, that's what I'd advise you to do
[10:46] <conscioususer> larsu: right, so I will :)
[10:48] <conscioususer> larsu: thanks! ready to go back to coding :)
[10:48] <larsu> conscioususer, another - maybe a slightly cleaner - route would be to subclass GtkApplication and override local_command_line, which gives you total control over registration and startup / activate
[10:49] <larsu> (but then you *have to* call startup and activate yourself)
[10:50] <conscioususer> larsu: ah yes, this seems possible
[10:51]  * larsu hopes not to confuse conscioususer too much after finding a solution :)
[10:52] <conscioususer> larsu: in fact, this *does* seem to make sense rather than feeling like a workaround... the docs say to override local_command_line if you intend to handle the command line locally... which is exactly what I'm trying to do here
[10:52] <conscioususer> larsu: um, sorta
[10:52] <larsu> conscioususer, yeah, I got the idea when reading that piece of the docs :)
[10:53] <larsu> conscioususer, don't know how easy it is to subclass gobjects in python
[10:53] <larsu> but you're the expert there I guess ;)
[10:53] <conscioususer> larsu: straightforward, actually
[10:54] <conscioususer> larsu: unless it's different for this case somehow, I'll only need to add a method called do_local_command_line in my class
[10:54] <conscioususer> larsu: hopefully it's not different
[10:55] <larsu> conscioususer, should be the same as for all gobject classes ... introspection ftw!
[11:01] <conscioususer> larsu: the overriding works as expected, but I'm getting some weird decoding errors
[11:01] <didrocks> hey pitti, can you pump my build score? ;) I need it to make some experiment (not the i386 yet, I'm interested in the "in between state"): https://launchpad.net/~didrocks/+archive/ppa/+build/3966038
[11:02] <larsu> conscioususer, decoding of what?
[11:02] <conscioususer> larsu: good question :P
[11:02] <larsu> haha
[11:02] <conscioususer> larsu: will paste a minimal example, hold on
[11:03] <larsu> thanks
[11:06] <conscioususer> larsu: http://www.pasteshare.co.uk/p/3tx/
[11:07] <larsu> conscioususer, TypeError: super() takes at least 1 argument (0 given)
[11:07] <conscioususer> try python 3 :)
[11:08] <larsu> conscioususer, oh! thanks
[11:08]  * larsu is a python-newb
[11:09] <conscioususer> larsu: I forgot a "return True" at the end of do_local_command_line
[11:09] <conscioususer> larsu: but the error happens anyway
[11:11] <conscioususer> larsu: I suspect this is not properly introspected
[11:12] <larsu> conscioususer, good thing we have pitti in this channel :)
[11:12] <larsu> pitti, know anything about unicode decode errors when trying to subclass GtkApplication from python3?
[11:12] <larsu> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xe0 in position 0: invalid continuation byte
[11:13] <larsu> but I get all kinds of different unicode errors, not only this one
[11:15] <conscioususer> larsu: in the C api, the first argument receives a char ***arguments and an int *exit_status... the fact that the introspected version seems to also expect two parameters instead of moving exit_status to a return value should raise a red flag
[11:16] <pitti> didrocks: bumped
[11:16] <larsu> conscioususer, yes, but there's already a return value - or does pygi return multiple values in these cases?
[11:17] <didrocks> pitti: thanks a lot! :)
[11:17] <pitti> larsu: no, I haven't heard about UnicodeDecodeErrors in that case
[11:17] <conscioususer> larsu: it does return multiple values
[11:17] <larsu> pitti, problem happens only when overriding GApplicationClass::local_command_line, which takes a gchar ***, maybe pygi can't cope with that?
[11:17] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, presumably missing (out) annotation
[11:18] <pitti> ***arguments is probably (inout)
[11:18] <larsu> ah, let me check
[11:18] <pitti> yeah, that doesn't look healthy
[11:18] <pitti>           <parameter name="arguments" transfer-ownership="none">
[11:18] <pitti>             <type name="utf8" c:type="gchar***"/>
[11:18] <pitti>           </parameter>
[11:18] <pitti> this is bogus
[11:18] <larsu> yep
[11:19] <larsu> conscioususer, man, your stumbling on bugs everywhere!
[11:19] <pitti> is this inout, or out?
[11:19] <larsu> pitti, inout
[11:20] <pitti> so it probably needs something like (inout) (array zero-terminated=1) (element-type=utf8)
[11:21] <conscioususer> larsu: the price I'm paying for trying the latest stuff, I guess :P
[11:21] <pitti> so if you want to file a bug about that on bugzilla.gnome.org, please subscribe me
[11:22] <larsu> pitti, hm, all annotations seem to be missing for GApplication vfuncs
[11:22] <larsu> pitti, I'll subscribe you, thanks!
[11:22] <pitti> yeah, you might be the first to try through GI :(
[11:23] <larsu> well, someone has to start
[11:23] <larsu> ;)
[11:23] <conscioususer> so I'm supposing this goes too deep to allow a workaround?
[11:23] <conscioususer> guess i'll go back to using register(), then run()
[11:24] <pitti> there is no workaround, except for not using the API at all
[11:25] <larsu> conscioususer, yep :( we need to fix the annotations in gio
[11:25] <pitti> but annotation fixes are backportable to stables, and GNOME 3.6.2 is due next week
[11:25] <larsu> really? Awesome
[11:25] <pitti> I already fixed a bunch recently which I'm looking forward to getting released
[11:25] <conscioususer> awesome
[11:25] <conscioususer> indeed
[11:26] <conscioususer> pitti: btw, can you confirm me one thing? is GLib.threads_init still needed in PyGI apps?
[11:26] <pitti> conscioususer: yes, for pygobject/python
[11:26] <pitti> glib itself doesn't need it any more
[11:26] <pitti> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686914
[11:26] <ubot2> Gnome bug 686914 in gobject "pygobject still requires GObject.threads_init()" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[11:27] <pitti> if someone has a bright idea how to detect/call it automatically, I'm all ears
[11:27] <conscioususer> pitti: yeah, that's why I asked... I read in the docs g_thread_init was deprecated, but then got errors when I removed from my PyGI code
[11:28] <conscioususer> pitti: nice to have an official confirmation :)
[11:31] <larsu> conscioususer, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687912
[11:31] <ubot2> Gnome bug 687912 in gapplication "GApplication vfuncs are missing introspection annotations" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[11:31] <larsu> pitti, ^^ (I've already subscribed you)
[11:32] <pitti> thanks
[11:32] <conscioususer> nice :)
[11:46] <xnox> what's the progress on shipping only gtk2 on the cd?
[11:46] <xnox> libreoffice & nm the biggest culprits?
[11:46] <ogra_> do you mean gtk3 ?
[11:47] <xnox> ogra_: yeah =)
[11:47] <ogra_> :)
[11:47] <xnox> what's the progress on shipping only _gtk3_ on the cd?
[11:52] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I got the information I needed, can you bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~didrocks/+archive/ppa/+build/3966040 now please?
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: fini
[11:56] <didrocks> pitti: merci :)
[12:42] <desrt> Laney: ya.  webkit builds.
[12:45] <Laney> desrt: ah, yeah, same case then. are you trying to build 1.10 on precise or do you now see it with 1.8?
[12:45] <Laney> if you have the error to hand a bug with it in would be appreciated
[12:46] <desrt> 1.11.1
[12:46] <Laney> k
[12:46] <desrt> it's the same "argument list too long" message when trying to link
[12:46] <Laney> yeah I just don't have it
[12:47] <Laney> would be useful for the SRU paperwork
[12:47] <Laney> never mind, can acquire it
[12:49] <desrt> fwiw, i just installed the quantal 'make' package on my precise system and everything is good now
[12:49] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1017125/comments/50 <- boost patch available, can you take that up?
[12:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1017125 in boost1.49 (Ubuntu) "boost::unordered_multimap<>::erase(iterator, iterator) broken on quantal" [High,Confirmed]
[12:50] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, I can, what about pinging doko just to have somebody who has a clue about that stack to comment?
[12:50] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: doko is subscribed to the bug ... but prolly drowning in blueprints/UDS-postprocessing.
[12:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, try IRC ping on #ubuntu-devel?
[12:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: just did on #distro
[12:52] <seb128> Sweetshark, danke
[12:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: de rien ;)
[13:04] <jbicha> seb128: could you sync clutter-gtk from experimental?
[13:05] <seb128> jbicha, sure, clutter-gtk is not in the desktop set? we should probably get it there
[13:09] <jbicha> seb128: neither is cogl, clutter-1.0, or clutter-gst; they were in precise though
[13:10] <jbicha> and if we're going to add stuff: indicator-session, system-config-printer, yelp-tools, yelp-xsl
[13:21] <seb128> hum
[13:21] <seb128> jbicha, not sure about indicator-session, the unity set is different from the desktop one
[13:21] <seb128> but the other ones should be in the desktop set
[13:21] <seb128> it's annoying that we don't have a good way to deal with sets
[13:21] <seb128> out of "ping Laney or cjwatson"
[13:21] <Laney> not me, colin runs that script
[13:22] <Laney> the auto sets are pretty opaque to me I'm afraid :(
[13:22] <pitti> desrt: oh, seems your WI to add gcov support to g-common is retroactively done :) http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-common/commit/?id=493d55921
[13:22] <desrt> free workitem checkoff!
[13:22] <seb128> jbicha, can you ping cjwatson about those?
[13:23] <Laney> I was told last time that email is preferred for this
[13:23] <jbicha> you mean the other indicators shouldn't be in the desktop set?
[13:23] <desrt> pitti: btw: i've seen absolutely zero fallout from the new interface restrictions
[13:24] <pitti> desrt: great to hear
[13:24] <desrt> looks like pygobject was really the only one....
[13:24] <seb128> jbicha, they are? so yeah feel free to ask for indicator-session ... there were talks,dholbach suggested that we should do an indicators set so ted,lars,charles, etc could have upload rights for those
[13:24] <seb128> jbicha, we don't want to get them uploads to the full desktop though
[13:24] <pitti> desrt: that was the bit which allows you to drop half of the gtype.c code?
[13:24] <desrt> pitti: a good chunk of it
[13:25] <seb128> jbicha, so we might get indicators off in their own set some day
[13:25] <pitti> desrt: great
[13:25] <desrt> pitti: there is this bizarre state machine in gtype.c to track "how initialised" an object is
[13:25] <desrt> in order that we can know what we need to do when adding an interface to it past a certain point
[13:25] <desrt> we can drop that now
[13:25] <pitti> desrt: hehe -- if (get_initialization() >= 0.63482) { ... } ?
[13:25] <desrt> which gets us one step closer to my final goal: dropping the recursive mutex
[13:26] <desrt> pitti: http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gobject/gtype.c#n207
[13:26] <desrt> there is a lot of bookkeeping required to handle that enum in a threadsafe way
[13:27] <desrt> particularly since you can't take the "just hold a big lock" approach when calling back into user callbacks (like class_init)
[13:28] <desrt> eventually the initstate and refcount will be replaced with a single "is initialised" boolean
[13:33] <ricotz> pitti, desrt, hi, will the current stable pygobject branch (and quantal) get patch to work with this interface restriction?
[13:34] <pitti> ricotz: no
[13:34] <pitti> this is not really an easy patch
[13:34] <ricotz> pitti, ok
[13:34] <pitti> ricotz: well, at least not right now; I'd like to see it out in the wild for some time
[13:34] <desrt> pitti: it looked easy to me
[13:34] <desrt> :)
[13:34] <jbicha> seb128: I'm going to merge mutter from Debian; they bumped the library name so I'll have to rebuild gnome-shell again
[13:34] <pitti> well, not the kind of easy I'd lightheartedly throw into a stable branch
[13:35] <desrt> but ya... a bit premature for an SRU until we know for sure that we have no new issues
[13:35] <pitti> 706 tests is one thing; beasts like software-center or sugar are another story..
[13:35] <seb128> jbicha, ok, can you do both today? that's the remaining bits for cogl it seems
[13:35] <pitti> we've been bitten by too many corner cases
[13:35] <ricotz> pitti, alright, i will need to do some patching then, i guess
[13:35] <desrt> crikey
[13:35] <desrt> my jhbuild statusboard this morning is a sea of green!
[13:35] <pitti> ricotz: why?
[13:35] <desrt> ....until you scroll down
[13:36] <ricotz> pitti, for the (crazy) git snapshots ;)
[13:36] <pitti> ricotz: I'll land the new pygobject in raring as soon as we'll get the new glib
[13:36] <pitti> ricotz: but glib+pygobject master branches also work well
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, that's likely to be a while ... is that an issue?
[13:36] <ricotz> pitti, yeah, i am uploading to the quantal ppa pocket too
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: not for me; I'm trying to keep pygobject 3.7.x working on glib 2.34
[13:37] <larsu> desrt, using gactionmap from vala is a bit of a pain - vala reports errors for interface methods that aren't implemented (query vs get_*)
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, ok
[13:37]  * desrt notes that it might be interesting to try to vendorpatch the class init thing into the old raring package just to get the increased exposure, without waiting for glib
[13:37] <pitti> ricotz: so you want to put a new glib there, but not a new pygobject?
[13:37] <desrt> larsu: query/get are not gactionmap methods
[13:37] <desrt> larsu: i guess you mean gactiongroup, though?
[13:37] <pitti> desrt: well, glib 2.34.2 will get out next week; I think that's good enough
[13:37] <larsu> desrt, sorry, gactiongroup
[13:37] <desrt> pitti: seb won't take it
[13:37] <ricotz> pitti, currently i reverted the "interface" patch, and yeah, i want to avoid putting more packages in there
[13:37] <pitti> desrt: I just need the fixed annotations
[13:38] <desrt> larsu: ya..... i did _query because _get_* was a pain
[13:38] <desrt> larsu: oops for vala users, i guess
[13:38] <larsu> desrt, I'm just ranting anyway, feel free to ignore ;)
[13:38] <pitti> desrt: why wouldn't we take 2.34.2?
[13:38] <desrt> pitti: seb wants to wait until after i'm back from vacation
[13:38] <pitti> desrt: I thought that was for 2.35
[13:38] <desrt> oh.  right.
[13:38] <desrt> sorry.
[13:38] <pitti> *phew* :)
[13:39]  * desrt wonders why you care
[13:39] <desrt> did you backport the poll boxing?
[13:39] <ricotz> pitti, or new pygobject is backwards compat with the quantal builds, which would be nice
[13:39] <pitti> desrt: no, for the fixed annotations in GIOChannel and the like
[13:39] <desrt> ah
[13:40] <pitti> desrt: pygobject 3.7.x doesn't work with glib <= 2.34.2 any more
[13:40] <pitti> err, <= 2.34.1
[13:40] <desrt> progress!
[13:40] <pitti> I threw out two metric tons of static bindings
[13:40] <pitti> and fixed glib instead
[13:40] <desrt> i'm a bit confused by how all of that works
[13:40] <desrt> because we don't have go-i in glib
[13:40] <desrt> is it the case that we have to fix glib, install it, run go-i against that, and then pygobject is happy?
[13:40] <pitti> desrt: well, annotaitons in glib -> g-i reads them from glib -> new 1.34.2 g-i release -> profit!
[13:41] <pitti> desrt: x-actly
[13:41] <desrt> clear as mud
[13:41] <ricotz> hehe
[13:41] <pitti> a pain to update/test, but yay circular build depends otherwise
[13:41] <ricotz> glib should build the introspection itself
[13:41] <pitti> ricotz: but how?
[13:42] <pitti> well, g-i could be merged into glib
[13:42] <desrt> a year or so from now i'm looking forward to a very very nasty argument with colin on the topic of merging g-i
[13:42] <ricotz> just consume the g-i into it
[13:42] <pitti> but with two separate projects that wouldn't work
[13:42] <ricotz> ;)
[13:42] <desrt> he already tried to introduce the circular build-depend once
[13:43] <desrt> it's one of those situations in which we have a suboptimal status quo but nobody is sure about the proper way forward
[13:43]  * ricotz meant to merge the whole g-i source in glib
[13:43] <desrt> doesn't help that i keep hearing talk about incompatible changes to the file format
[13:43] <desrt> ricotz: ya.  me too.
[13:43] <desrt> i bet that comes up in a year or so
[13:44] <ricotz> seems just logical
[13:44] <ricotz> to happen
[13:45] <pitti> $ make check-code-coverage
[13:45] <pitti> make: *** No rule to make target `check-code-coverage'.  Stop.
[13:45] <pitti> ok, not quite as easy as gnome-common makes me believe
[13:45] <pitti> oh, @GNOME_CODE_COVERAGE_RULES@
[13:46] <desrt> me loves those macros
[13:46] <desrt> "@GSETTIGS_RULES@"
[13:46] <desrt> "yes... i'm rather fond of it myself... but no need to yell..."
[13:47] <pitti> wow
[13:47] <pitti> file:///home/martin/upstream/pygobject/pygobject-3.7.2-coverage/index.html
[13:47] <pitti> ♩ it's a kind of maaa-giiiic! ♪ ♫
[13:48] <desrt> pitti: the part that it prints out that URL has always seemed to me like it should have a *ding!* sound
[13:49] <pitti> desrt: or a moan or a cheer depending on the percentage
[13:49]  * pitti wonders if that is really working for python -- how can my tests have just 72% coverage?
[13:49] <pitti> (I mean coverage for the _test_ code, not the tested code)
[13:49] <desrt> hahahaha
[13:50] <pitti> ah, it's only testing the .c files even
[13:51] <pitti> but anyway, c'est bon; je l'aime!
[14:12] <mspencer> When I'm in the dash and press Alt+F2, the dash goes away but the command lens doesn't come up. However, when I'm in the dash and press Alt, the HUD comes up. Is the dash going away correct or is it a bug?
[14:12] <mspencer> This has been reported as LP #1019457, I just wanted to check that this is incorrect and not supposed to work this way before I work on fixing it.
[14:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1019457 in unity (Ubuntu) "The Dash closes when trying to switch to the Command lens (Alt+F2)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1019457
[14:48] <jbicha> seb128: can you accept mutter? and then I need to push gnome-shell one more time
[14:50] <Laney> bah, PPA wait time is quite annoying lately
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> Laney, PPA's running out of space is even more annoying ;)
[14:51] <Laney> I suppose that happens after you've already waited several hours for a build
[14:51] <Laney> so yeah ...
[14:51] <dobey> jbicha: what is the difference between the -gnome .desktop file you're proposing to add to ubuntuone-control-panel, and the one that's already there, exactly? Only difference I see is that one has OnlyShowIn=GNOME, and you added NotShowIn=GNOME to the existing one; other than that, they appear to be exactly the same
[14:53] <seb128> jbicha, done
[14:56] <jbicha> dobey: oops, I pushed an update so it does the right thing now
[14:59] <dobey> jbicha: can you perhaps also rename the new file to ubuntuone-control-panel-qt-gnome.desktop.in? There's no need for it to be called "ubuntuone-installer" really; the existing file is only that way to avoid breaking existing config with unity and such.
[15:03] <jbicha> attente: are you running quantal or raring?
[15:03] <attente> jbicha: quantal
[15:05] <jbicha> ok, at some point, we're going to need the universal access/disable scrollbar patch redone for gnome-control-center 3.6 since GNOME has overhauled the Universal Access panel
[15:06] <attente> sure
[15:07] <jbicha> but you'd need gnome-settings-daemon 3.6 and probably ibus 1.4.99 to build g-c-c 3.6; you can find those in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[15:08] <jbicha> GNOME's dropped all but one HighContrast theme
[15:09] <seb128> jbicha, well that patch is trivial
[15:09] <seb128> jbicha, it's just setting a gsettings key when setting an a11y theme
[15:11] <jbicha> seb128: oh ok
[16:15] <desrt> pitti: hey
[16:15] <desrt> pitti: pygobject-python2 has a depend on really really new autoconf
[16:15] <desrt> like, one that's not even in precise
[16:17] <desrt> pitti: it also appears to depend on lcov with the default arguments to ./configure now...
[16:18] <desrt> pitti: dropping the autoconf version dependency from .69 to .68 doesn't appear to break anything here
[16:40] <Laney> i wish webkit supported parallel building :(
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't support that?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> man, that sucks!
[16:48] <Laney> :-)
[19:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1064962/comments/100 <- meh
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu Quantal) "[SRU] Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed]
[20:47] <desrt> jbicha: i think that g-c-c a11y scrollbar patch should drop
[20:47] <desrt> i talked about it with Cimi
[20:47] <desrt> the correct place for that highcontrast logic is in overlay scrollbars themselves
[20:58] <jbicha> desrt: ok
[21:58] <xnox-n7> hmm I am running raring and I cannot login into neither unity 3d nor into gnome-fallback sessions....
[21:58] <xnox-n7> anybody knows what's up?
[22:06] <stgraber> xnox-n7: usual suspects, look for the permissions of ~/.Xauthority and if they look fine, then look at ~/.xsession_errors
[22:06] <stgraber> (I had Xauthority change ownership a few times on my systems, never tracked the source but it gives you something matching your symptoms)
[22:07] <xnox-n7> stgraber: well currently the permissions are 600 & errors has "can't register GNU Pth with Libgcrypt"
[22:08] <xnox-n7> nothing spectacular =/
[22:08] <xnox-n7> lightdm cycles back to itself upon login =(
[22:11] <xnox-n7> created a fresh account getting loads of errors from compiz
[22:12] <stgraber> xnox-n7: your description seems to match http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12344405 but I wouldn't recommend using that fix ;)
[22:13] <xnox-n7> lol =)
[22:13] <xnox-n7> cd
[22:13] <xnox-n7> wrong window
[22:20] <xnox-n7> i smell kernel regress. since my dual-screen monitors are not detected, opengl fails to load....
[22:25] <stgraber> xnox-n7: well, raring's kernel is still quantal's isn't it?
[22:26] <stgraber> at least it's on my machine, last updated this morning
[22:26] <xnox-n7> stgraber: yeah... I am now pointing fingers at cogl
[22:27] <stgraber> xnox-n7: when trying the fallback session, did you choose Gnome Classic or Gnome Fallback? the former will still use compiz so could fail because of some opengl weirdness
[22:27] <xnox-n7> stgraber: do you see any SRUs about unity/deps that are not in raring?
[22:27] <xnox-n7> stgraber: i've tried both with & without effects. as they are known from the lightdm selection menu
[22:28] <stgraber> the report was clean yesterday, slangasek copied everything that was missing
[22:28]  * xnox-n7 is trying proposed =)
[22:28] <stgraber> cogl seems to still be stuck in -proposed so that can't be it
[22:29] <xnox-n7> *sigh* so much for stable all the time.
[22:29] <stgraber> I just applied the updates on my laptop and am not seeing anything that looks dangerous... so pretty unsure what broke your machine...
[22:30] <xnox-n7> I rebooted
[22:30] <stgraber> did you try a good old "startx"? it might get you more information on what's failing at session open time
[22:30] <xnox-n7> it was fine until that.
[22:33] <xnox-n7> Loading extension GLX'n xinit: connection to X server lost
[22:33] <xnox-n7> s/'n/\n/
[22:34] <xnox-n7> GLX error: Can not get required symbols
[22:34] <stgraber> oh, fun. Are you using intel or some weird binary drivers?
[22:40] <xnox-n7> intel / sandybridge
[22:42] <stgraber> could be some permission problem with /dev/dri/card0
[22:43] <xnox-n7> interesting let me try that
[22:43] <TheMuso> But symbols to me at least means ABI breakage...
[22:44] <xnox-n7> i hate sandybridge
[22:54] <xnox-n7> bug 1076787
[22:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1076787 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GLX error: Can not get required symbols" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076787
[22:54]  * xnox-n7 will have a cup of tea and go to sleep
[23:05] <xnox-n7> i guess I have some progress as I can login into no-effects session with a new user account.
[23:05] <xnox-n7> but not with my normal one
[23:05] <xnox-n7> so permissions?!
[23:05] <xnox-n7> *sigh*
[23:07] <Sarvatt> xnox-n7: sudo apt-get purge fglrx
[23:09] <xnox-n7> stgraber: moving .gnupg out the way solved it.....
[23:09] <xnox-n7> wtf!
[23:18] <xnox-n7> use-agent option in gpg.conf
[23:18] <xnox-n7> brakes my session.
[23:18] <TheMuso> Awesome.
[23:19] <xnox-n7> Awesome, sure. but *why* ?
[23:21] <TheMuso> Oh I don't know, I just have a tendency to use sarcasm when such things occur. :)
[23:23] <xnox> TheMuso: yeah.....
[23:23] <xnox> =))))
[23:23] <xnox> thanks stgraber & TheMuso for moral support and finding the solution
[23:23] <Sarvatt> xnox: wonder how long your session has been busted regardless because you have fglrx install making it so you can't use accelerated 3D on that intel :P
[23:26] <xnox> hmmm... let me purge that and check if I get 3D accel back =))))
[23:26] <xnox> Sarvatt: oh.... I caused that!
[23:27]  * xnox needs to upload a revert, I think....
[23:27] <xnox> to pyopencl
[23:28] <xnox> Sarvatt: so what should pyopencl depend on?
[23:29] <Sarvatt> sounds like fglrx needs to be split up so you don't switch to fglrx libGL instead of mesa's installing that but I'm not sure what's going on there
[23:34] <xnox> Sarvatt: purged & rebooted I have 3D acceleration again!
[23:37]  * xnox it's times like this when I want to start smoking again....


[04:28] <LaschW> Anyone noticed #ubuntu is broken?
[04:28] <LaschW> All logins are rejected 'you are banned'
[04:33] <cyphase> hey everyone


[08:07] <bogusjokes> hello
[08:07] <bogusjokes> can someone tell me how i change in files inside of a snap package and add/remove file within them?
[13:25] <tedg> bogusjokes: Snap packages are compressed, you'd have to uncompress it and rebuild it.
[13:26] <tedg> bogusjokes: You can use "unsquashfs" to decompress
[20:33] <jaymell> Greetings: I'm wondering what the best approach is for simply building a part by running a shell script. For instance, meteor.js: their installer is just a shell script (https://install.meteor.com/) that does some OS checks and otherwise just unzips a tar file to $HOME/.meteor... I could easily just do that myself using the 'copy' module and skip the script, but it seems just as useful to be able to just run a script directly during the 'build' stage and
[20:33] <jaymell> let it handle the unpacking. Is there a best approach for doing this?


[00:49] <bobbob1016> I currently have a P4 HT.  It runs fine, but has some problems with 1080p.  I have the chance to buy a Pentium Dual-Core E2140 machine, and I've been benchmarking it on the 64bit LiveCD Mythbuntu, running mplayer -benchmark....  Would the 32bit be worth a try or no?
[00:51] <bobbob1016> Because the 64bit benchmarks aren't too much better than my P4.
[00:53] <tgm4883_laptop> what are you using to benchmark?
[00:56] <bobbob1016> tgm4883_laptop, mplayer -benchmark, a bunch of options, then a file.  The same 1080p mkv I benchmarked on my  P4
[00:58] <bobbob1016> It plays more or less ok on my P4.  When I do the benchmark with -vo null, it takes about 30s, the P4 does it in 36s.  However, with gl:yuv=6, they are basically equal.  Probably because the Dual-Core is a 1.6 and the P4 is 3.4, but I can't find a place to overclock it, or anything, since according to google, it's a underclocked c2d
[00:58] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[00:59] <tgm4883_laptop> what you might want to benchmark would be something like transcoding files
[00:59] <tgm4883_laptop> although if you never do that then I suppose it doesn't matter
[00:59] <bobbob1016> do the nvidia drivers work worse on the livecd (I did ctrl+alt+backspace to restart x)?  or on 64bit?
[00:59] <bobbob1016> I have my current machine, my quad, to do transcoding
[00:59] <bobbob1016> and I can't hook this up to my TV
[01:00] <bobbob1016> I was just thinking maybe the 64bit drivers could be worse on 64bit/livecd
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> well for playback i'm not sure 64-bit computing would offer that much benefit
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> i've been known to be wrong though
[01:00] <bobbob1016> You know if nvidia drivers are worse on 64bit?
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> they work on my system
[01:01] <bobbob1016> They work here, I just thought they might be worse on 64bit vs 32bit
[01:01] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't know why they would be
[01:01] <tgm4883_laptop> are you using 8.04?
[01:01] <bobbob1016> 8.04.1
[01:01] <bobbob1016> whichever is the newest
[01:02] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[01:02] <tgm4883_laptop> the 8.10 alpha's have some issues with installing the restricted drivers during install
[01:04] <bobbob1016> I did envy...
[01:04] <bobbob1016> restricted drivers didn't show any hardware
[01:09] <bobbob1016> tgm4883_laptop, is there any way to migrate my existing settings from my old mythbuntu to here, or no?
[01:10] <tgm4883_laptop> you could transfer the db, have you checked the manual?
[01:11] <bobbob1016> tgm4883_laptop, No, I didn't think it'd be possible, I'll check the manual.  Also, on 64bit, have you noticed any filetypes you can't play?
[01:11] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[01:11] <tgm4883_laptop> why would I?
[01:12] <tgm4883_laptop> are there some?
[01:13] <bobbob1016> Mplayer gave me some sort of warning about that, but I wasn't sure.
[02:53] <balz> Whenever I go to access my videos under mythweb, I get the following error message:  could not create a symlink to /media/500gb/video, the local MythVideo directory for this hostname (server).Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video in order to use the video portions of MythWeb.
[02:55] <balz> !symlink
[02:55] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about symlink
[02:58] <balz> is anybody here?
[03:07] <balz> sorry my connection just borked out
[03:07] <balz> i thought i saw someone messaged me
[03:45] <pteague> i'm trying to figure out what some of the symbols means under the "watch recordings" ... there's the clock (?), the flag (guessing flagged for deletion), 2 speakers facing away from each other with a red & blue dot under it (??), & cc (closed caption)...  what's the speaker thingys?
[03:46] <gankthoven> anyone here have an hvr-2250
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> pteague, if you hit the M key (the green home button on USBMCE2 remote) you can select help and it will show you the icons
[04:19] <pteague> i'm guessing that's the 'windows' button on mine
[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> probably
[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> it's the windows one on mine too
[04:20] <pteague> it's a big green button
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> but irw shows it as "Home"
[04:20] <pteague> frustrating thing is my page up/page down button on the remote doesn't page up/page down...  3 & 9 do... ^^
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> yea there is a reason for that, I don't remember it off hand though
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> you can fix it if you like
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> it's an easy fix
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it's because some MCEUSB2 remotes don't have this button
[04:21] <pteague> i noticed on 1 of the other screens i think it was 1 & 7 changes the day or something...
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to edit your .mythtv/lircrc file and change the chanup/chandown buttons to correspond to the pageup/pagedown buttons
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> if your remote actually has pageup/pagedown buttons, that could be different
[04:34] <Administrator> I get choppy audio when playing some 720p mkv files with AC3 audio, any suggestions?
[04:48] <tgm4883_laptop> mikal, ping
[05:04] <pteague> how big of a difference is there between 720p (768) & 1080p on a 32" ?
[05:05] <gomike> i cant tell the difference
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> about 360p
[05:06] <hads> On a 32" not a lot
[05:09] <pteague> trying to figure out if i want a 32" or 37"...
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> pteague, you want a 37"
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> I've had both side by side at home
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> 37 is much nicer/larger
[05:12] <hads> 'tis quite a difference.
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> although I suppose it's how far you are away from it
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> but 12 feet away, the 37 kills the 32
[05:12] <pteague> just hope i can fit it in my car...
[05:13] <hads> At least with an LCD you can jam them in lying down.
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> pteague, IIRC, you can just squeeze a 37" vizio in the box into the back of a toyota camry
[05:14] <pteague> i've got a '97 honda civic
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> doubt it then
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> the camry is more like the accord
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> bigger back seat
[05:15] <hads> Suprising what you can fit in a hatch
[05:17] <pteague> my current tv is an '80s 26" cube
[05:17] <pteague> if it wasn't cube i could probably fit it in
[07:00] <Wicked> hello all. i just got a comcast settop box(scientific atlanta) and im trying to set up the blaster. in the mythbuntu-control-center i checked enable irc transmitter and selected the pvr-150 scientific atlant option. but when i hit apply..it just hung..and in dmesg i see this: http://pastebin.com/m33e933e ...and i dont see my ir blaster blink at all.
[07:01] <Wicked> ive used mythtv before and have it working fine with the cable plugged directly into my pvr-150...ive just never used myth with a settop box.
[07:06] <Wicked> is there a way to test if my irblaster is working?
[10:16] <tyler_> can someone help me setup my myth tv im using hardy
[10:16] <tyler_> i get an error that says cannon connect to the database
[10:32] <tyler_> can I at least listen to elevator phone wait music while i wait
[12:01] <tyler_> !help
[12:01] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[12:01] <tyler_> I'm still seeking help
[12:06] <matsk> !status
[12:06] <Zinn> I am alive.
[13:24] <ernstp> anyone know if there is something like IgnoreEDID for fglrx?
[13:24] <ernstp> my tv supports 1080i but doesn't report that on EDID...
[13:24] <ernstp> a PS3 didn't have any problems setting up 1080i
[13:54] <jphillip> HDHR for 138.99 with newegg promo code today
[13:58] <wjs_ltop> What's the promo code?
[14:01] <frink_> yermum
[14:08] <jphillip> wjs_ltop EMCAKBGBJ
[14:09] <jphillip> you more than likely need to subscribe for the email promos though
[14:14] <wjs_ltop> Thanks, got it :-)
[14:22] <jphillip> np
[14:57] <ord_> hello
[14:58] <ord_> can anyone tell me how to automatically synchronize my videos so it will show after i downloaded them to the folder?
[14:58] <gomike> thats the million $ question
[14:58] <ord_> really? i don't have million$
[14:59] <gomike> I asked the same question a few weeks ago and didnt understand the answer
[14:59] <ord_> :)
[14:59] <ord_> the thing is I have to go to preferences everytime I want to see the new files in the folder
[14:59] <gomike> so i just go to video manager it manually resync when i need to
[14:59] <ord_> I'm sure it can be automated (atleast every once in 2 hours or so0
[15:00] <gomike> yes it can, there is some beta thing i think but dont remember what it is called
[15:00] <ord_> some plugin?
[15:00] <gomike> ive told you all i know :-D
[15:00] <ord_> ok thank you
[15:01] <ord_> someone else?
[15:01] <gomike> but I will be watching for a smarter answer from someone else
[15:02] <gomike> really seems like it would be built in by now, not sure why they havent done that
[15:02] <ord_> yeah
[15:02] <jphillip> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/291872?search_string=imdb%20bulk%20update;#291872
[15:02] <jphillip> may be able to help
[15:02] <ord_> wierd
[15:07] <ord_> cheking it out
[15:07] <ord_> thank you
[15:11] <superm1> jphillip, is the promo code only for HDHR?
[15:17] <ord_> this doen't seem to help me
[15:26] <ord_> any other ideas?
[15:26] <jphillip> superm1 as opposed to?
[15:27] <superm1> anything on newegg for XYZ dollars off?
[15:28] <jphillip> superm1 just the HDHR, you should sign up for their emails they send a few out a week with different codes in them
[15:28] <jphillip> http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Sep-0-2008/Promo091608in/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL091608&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL091608-_-email-_-E0-_-HAP
[15:29] <superm1> yeah i never buy stuff from those things though, i'm on tiger directs
[15:29] <jphillip> thats the current offers
[15:29] <superm1> and it just feels like spamy all the time
[15:29] <jphillip> new eggs is much better
[15:29] <jphillip> I get tiger's and buy's and compusa's as well, just filter them all to interweb deals and poke at them when I feel like it
[15:29] <superm1> ooh the prospect of moar filters
[15:31] <jphillip> heh
[15:31] <jphillip> you need additional accounts or something
[15:31] <jphillip> I'm surprised they don't have a filter cap
[15:31] <superm1> well i've got a complex system that has more filters in t-bird too
[15:32] <superm1> i think i'm pretty much locked into this account and t-bird for life now
[15:32] <superm1> unless i want to spend a week of evenings redoing it all
[15:32] <jphillip> btw new house on tonight everyone
[15:58] <javatexan> okay stupid question...I know I used to know this...is there a way to start a main loop type program without logging into the box.  I think they call this "running as system" in windows, but I can't remember if you can do this in linux.  I also seem to remember setting up a tty in the background, auto login and run program.  Then I run into problem that I dont want this program to run everytime root logs in, just once for the syste
[15:58] <javatexan> s/root/someone
[16:01] <laga_> init script?
[16:01] <laga_> cron?
[16:01] <javatexan> ah...yes...thanks
[16:01] <javatexan> LOL...i googled and googled..but without the right terms...nothing...:)
[16:07] <stevieman> Does anyone know how to set the channel on the PVR-150? I am trying to use a sat stb with my 150 (via coax)but all I am getting is static when I try a mplayer /dev/video0.
[16:10] <jphillip> stevieman you need to irblast for that
[16:13] <stevieman> jphillip: I need the 150s tuner channel to be set the channel 3. I am getting the same type of static when you hook a VCR up to the tv and set the channel to anything but 3.
[16:14] <stevieman> I haven't even got to the point of trying to control the Sat. STB yet. Just trying to get video from the STB to the 150.
[16:29] <jphillip> stevieman in mythtv-setup you can tell it which channel to tune to
[16:30] <janneg> superm1|away: if you have some time could you join #lirc, jarod and me are corodinating the lirc submission there and have some questions
[16:40] <stevieman> jphillip: Yah I tried that but all I get is a blank screen.
[16:41] <tgm4883_laptop> stevieman, is your stb set to channel 4?
[16:42] <tgm4883_laptop> or even better, if you are using an stb, why don't you use composite or svideo
[16:43] <stevieman> tgm4883: No it's locked to channel 3, because my 150 only has coax in, ummmm maybe it has svideo, oh now you've got me thinking
[16:59] <stevieman> I'll give the svideo connections a try tonight, any special setup I need to do or should it just detect the svideo signal.
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> stevieman, you will need to go into mythtv-setup and tell it to use the svideo input
[18:30] <stevieman> tgm4883_laptop: Good to know, I'll have to hunt for that, it's so hard t-shooting when you are not on the system.
[19:39] <barlrol> hi I just fresh installed 8.04 and installed myth tv and I'm having problems connecting to my database.  Everything is Standard as far as my database settings.  Mythtv password mythconverg ect...
[20:19] <Wicked> hello all. i just got a comcast settop box(scientific atlanta) and im trying to set up the blaster. in the mythbuntu-control-center i checked enable irc transmitter and selected the pvr-150 scientific atlant option. but when i hit apply..it just hung..and in dmesg i see this: http://pastebin.com/m33e933e ...and i dont see my ir blaster blink at all.
[20:20] <Wicked> i cannot get the blaster to work.....
[20:41] <jphillip> it might help to stick around for a response :)
[20:46] <Anusien> I think Wicked assumed they just weren't getting a response
[20:47] <Anusien> I'll be messing around with a similar type of box (same manufacturer) so I kinda wanted to hear a response; but I haven't tried to set mine up yet
[20:47] <jphillip> I'd say to try out firewire
[20:48] <jphillip> best case you can capture the video via firewire, worst case you can tune channels via firewire then capture some other way
[20:48] <jphillip> Wicked that applies to you as well ^
[20:49] <Wicked> well right now...i just set mythtv to channel 3..then use the remote that came with the cablebox to change channels..but i have no idea how mythtv is gonna act when it trys to record a tv show for me
[20:49] <jphillip> firewire in itself is a headache and a half, but it may be a valid solution depending on how bad comcast is in your area
[20:49] <Wicked> no matter what i do.....i cant get the blaster to work....ive followed a few guides and they all dont work
[20:50] <Wicked> im following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy
[20:50] <Wicked> and i dled the firmware and placed it in /lib/firmware....i then rebooted...but i see this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/mf6f005
[20:51] <Anusien> jphillip: You mean firewire as in IEEE1394?
[20:51] <jphillip> yep
[20:51] <jphillip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[20:52] <Anusien> I kinda want to ask TWC for the hidef card they're legally obligated to provide
[20:52] <Anusien> jphillip: neat, thanks
[20:52] <Anusien> but my remote works through my tuner card, so who knows
[20:53] <jphillip> by law that have to provide you with firewire and access to the OTA channels
[20:53] <jphillip> which most places seem to do
[20:53] <jphillip> sometimes you get lucky and they aren't encrypting others, for instant I can get most of my HD channels
[20:54] <jphillip> also for those of you who may have missed it newegg has the HDHR on sale for $138something today if you sign up for their email newsletter
[20:55] <Anusien> There's a port on the back labelled "IR" weird
[20:55] <Wicked> bah brb.
[20:56] <Anusien> jphillip: this reuqires firewire on the mythbox too, no?
[20:58] <Anusien> jphillip: So the pro is that you don't need IR blaster, and the con is that it's flaky and you won't get encrypted streams?
[21:05] <barlrol> can anyone help me
[21:07] <Anusien> maybe
[21:08] <barlrol> :)
[21:08] <barlrol> ok well i installed mythtv with all the default settings and stuff and i cant connect to the database
[21:08] <barlrol> no root password for mysql database name mythconverg username mythtv and password
[21:09] <barlrol> ive been reading the forums all night/morning
[21:09] <barlrol> tried commenting out some shit in mysql conf file
[21:10] <jphillip> Anusien pretty much
[21:10] <jphillip> another pro is you can get actual HD out of it
[21:11] <jphillip> channel tuning is very safe with it, just getting the stream is the problem
[21:11] <barlrol> localhost is the same thing as loopback right <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:11] <jphillip> yes
[21:11] <barlrol> I dont understand why im having so many problems here with mysql server
[21:12] <jphillip> barlrol you are positive you didn't set a root password for mysql?
[21:12] <barlrol> positive...but is there a way i can prove it to you
[21:12] <jphillip> do this mysql -uroot mythconverg
[21:13] <barlrol> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[21:13] <barlrol> tyler@Intel:~$
[21:13] <jphillip> does it log you in?
[21:13] <jphillip> seems it has a password
[21:13] <barlrol> ok well what happened is I installed it once with a password then i read a guide that said you want to leave the password blank
[21:14] <barlrol> so i uninstalled it with package manager and chose complete removal...2nd time i installed it i left it blank
[21:14] <jphillip> barlrol not necessary, if you leave it blank then you answer blank when it asks you later
[21:14] <jphillip> well do you remember what the password was?
[21:14] <jphillip> do mysql -uroot -p mythconverg
[21:14] <jphillip> and type that password in
[21:14] <barlrol> where does the password go in that command?
[21:14] <jphillip> it will ask then
[21:14] <barlrol> k
[21:14] <jphillip> or you can type it right after the p, your choice
[21:15] <barlrol> thanks for the help so far btw
[21:15] <barlrol> tyler@Intel:~$ mysql -uroot -p mythconverg
[21:15] <barlrol> Enter password:
[21:15] <barlrol> ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'
[21:15] <barlrol> oops
[21:15] <Anusien> jphillip: Unless you have an HD card, that is
[21:16] <barlrol> wait why am i getting that error
[21:17] <jphillip> ok good barlrol
[21:17] <barlrol> good?
[21:17] <jphillip> do sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[21:17] <jphillip> and type in the root password when it asks you
[21:17] <jphillip> it should make your db then
[21:18] <Wicked> well i seem to be suffering from this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/222359
[21:18] <barlrol> on what host does the mysql server reside.....localhost right?
[21:18] <Wicked> and i have no idea what i can about it :(
[21:19] <jphillip> barlrol yep
[21:20] <barlrol> This information will be used to create a database and user for MythTV.  │
[21:20] <barlrol>   │                                                                          │
[21:20] <barlrol>   │ Unless you have explicitly changed this on the MySQL server, and         │
[21:20] <barlrol>   │ understand MySQL's privilege system, use the default of 'root'.          │
[21:20] <barlrol>   │                                                                          │
[21:20] <barlrol>   │ What is the name of the MySQL administrator account:???
[21:20] <barlrol> sorry spam
[21:21] <barlrol> jphillip...im doing this step by step with you cause ive done this before and when it doesnt work i want you to know exactly what i did
[21:21] <barlrol> did we conclude that I did have a mysql root password or didnt?
[21:22] <barlrol> cause after i typed that one thing earlier i got that database not created error or whatever
[21:22] <jphillip> you do
[21:22] <jphillip> if it let you login with the password then it exists
[21:22] <jphillip> just the mythconverg db doesn't exist
[21:22] <jphillip> this should create it
[21:23] <barlrol> what do i type in this box....what is the name of the mysql admin account?
[21:23] <barlrol> root?
[21:24] <barlrol>  Unless you have explicitly changed this on the MySQL server, and understand MySQL's privilege system, use the default of 'root'.
[21:25] <jphillip> yes root
[21:25] <jphillip> and then the password when it asks you
[21:26] <barlrol> ok done
[21:26] <barlrol> tyler@Intel:~$ mysql -uroot mythconverg should i do this again?
[21:26] <jphillip> now try to mysql -uroot -p mythconverg again
[21:26] <barlrol> to test it
[21:26] <jphillip> yep
[21:26] <jphillip> don't forget the -p
[21:27] <barlrol> ok should i try running the frontend setup again
[21:30] <jphillip> did that work?
[21:30] <jphillip> the mysql command?
[21:30] <jphillip> you should then be able to do: show tables;
[21:30] <barlrol> woot worked dude! thanks
[21:30] <jphillip> and it should show a bunch of tables
[21:30] <jphillip> np
[21:30] <barlrol> i have no idea if my tv tuner card is reconized...whats my next step
[21:31] <barlrol> i have a pinnacle HD usb card
[21:31] <jphillip> that might be rough
[21:32] <jphillip> its a stick right and is it the pro?
[21:32] <barlrol> its a stick yes
[21:33] <jphillip> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Search?search=pinnacle&go=Go
[21:33] <jphillip> you can try following those
[21:33] <jphillip> sadly I don't have one so I can't help you much with that
[21:33] <barlrol> ok ill give it a shot
[21:33] <jphillip> other than that google might be your friend
[21:33] <jphillip> !mailinglist | barlrol
[21:33] <Zinn> barlrol: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[21:33] <barlrol> np ill check back later if i have any other questions...googles everyones friend
[21:33] <jphillip> !forum | barlrol
[21:33] <Zinn> barlrol: The Mythbuntu forum is located at: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[21:33] <jphillip> or those
[21:37] <barlrol> Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick HD TV Tuner is what i have fyi
[22:10] <Wicked> i seem to be suffering from this bug and have no idea what i can do to make my pvr-150 ir blaster work https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/222359
[22:10] <Wicked> id really really like to get this to work.
[22:14] <barlrol> tyler@Intel:~$ mythtv-setup utility
[22:14] <barlrol>  * Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend                                   [ OK ]
[22:14] <barlrol>  * Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend                                        No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.
[22:15] <barlrol> how do i get to the setup utility
[22:15] <Wicked> so i cant get my ir blaster to work...and i have shows scheduled to record later on.....how is mythtv gonna handle this? will it switch channels on the tuner card from channel 3 to the channel of what show want to record?. will it just record static and snow?. Id like to figure this all out
[22:17] <jphillip> barlrol mythtv-setup?
[22:17] <jphillip> just type that
[22:17] <jphillip> or are you referring to MCC (mythbuntu-control-centre)
[22:19] <barlrol> nm jpphillip i got it stupid question sorry...i think i got mythtv to reconize my card now
[22:53] <fbnts> Hi all, what is the VNC server used in mythbuntu and is there a way to install/configure it from the shell?
[22:56] <Anusien> You can use whatever vnc server you want, and yes there is
[22:57] <superm1> x11vnc is the one used by default
[22:57] <Anusien> <3 x11vnc
[22:58] <fbnts> ah ok - its just the backend server has no monitor and I don't think i setup the VNC setting in the config
[22:59] <fbnts> I tried to run x11vnc -display :0 but it can't find the X Display
[23:00] <Anusien> x11vnc lets a user connect and see the current session in use.  So if there isn't one, x11vnc won't work for you
[23:00] <fbnts> ah, i'll check the X11 log to see why its not started
[23:01] <Anusien> if you haven't logged in, for example, I don't know that x11vnc will work
[23:01] <superm1> there are other vnc servers that will run as independent X displays that would be more interesting to you
[23:01] <superm1> vnc4server is an example
[23:01] <fbnts> ah, the log shows: AUDIT: Tue Sep 16 22:28:58 2008: 5981 X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
[23:01] <Anusien> it might also be that a vnc session is in use
[23:02] <Anusien> Which is a horrible way of saying that if you're trying to run it on a certian display, and there's already a server sitting on that display, things will go badly for yuo
[23:02] <fbnts> ps -aux | grep x11vnc shows no entries so its not currently running
[23:02] <superm1> fbnts, you can always X forward MCC to enable it for you
[23:05] <fbnts> can I configure the autologin from the shell - If I recall the backend doesn't auto log in so that'll probably be stopping x11vnc
[23:06] <superm1> you'll have to hand modify /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf then
[23:06] <superm1> to do that
[23:07] <fbnts> Wahoo that worked!
[23:08] <Anusien> is there a reason you want to autologin and x11vnc instead of just running a vnc server that starts a new X session?
[23:12] <fbnts> well x11vnc is already installed and configured so i guess its cleaner than having to uninstall x11vnc
[23:13] <fbnts> its only rarely I have to log into the back end graphically - just my tuner card has screwed up again so need to get to the graphical backend
[23:14] <Anusien> for firewire from a Scientific Atlanta box, I juts need some sort of male-male firewire cable that fits both holes, right?
[23:17] <Anusien> there's no special cable needed ,right?
[23:43] <centrex> regarding setting up satellite and mythv, is there any way to have mythtv change the channels on a dish receiver?  Would it use some type of infrared to do it?
[23:50] <TazgodX> ok, time to play with my AT&T box hardcore for the next hour
[23:55] <Anusien> centrex: I know in cable-land, they call them IR Blasters
[23:55] <centrex> Anusien, yeah someone informed me of that, and I found a great tutorial on how to make one.  Thanks!