[00:01] <Bashing-om> byerley: Well, GPT partitioning, I do not think it matters. As all partitions are primary partitions. That said, used to be that Windows wanted to be installed at the start of the hard drive . // IF you have enough ram installed, and do not intend to hibernate - a swap partition is not required .
[00:03] <byerley> Bashing-om: good to know, thanks.
[00:04] <Bashing-om> byerley: Hands down GPT is the way to go, but takes Prior Prudent Planning .. need a separate /boot partition.
[00:19] <Cyber023> I need some help...... When I put my laptop into suspend mode by closing the lid and wake it up again I get a Light Display Manager login screen 50% of the time and my password does not work i' ve tried every fix i could find anybody have any tips
[00:20] <Cyber023> And a cant switch user at that login screen
[00:20] <pbx> Cyber023, your password doesn't work... so what do you do then?
[00:20] <Cyber023> pbx, reboot
[00:20] <grio> There we go. That was getting obnoxious.
[00:21] <Cyber023> pbx, but I loose everything obviously
[00:21] <pbx> Cyber023, trying a different DM comes to mind
[00:21] <Cyber023> pbx, how do I do this do you have a link
[00:25] <pbx> Cyber023, my suggestion may not be a wise one, but in any case some login/display managers (which you can install by name via apt) are: gdm, ldm, xdm, sdm, wdm, kdm, slim
[00:26] <Cyber023> pbx, thanks
[00:26] <pbx> Cyber023, you could also check this guide to see if there are any config options you could twiddle or untwiddle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[00:26] <ianorlin> pbx I think there is also lxdm
[00:26] <pbx> surely there are others yeah
[01:02] <miv> someone can give some info
[01:02] <miv> about gdm
[01:02] <SchrodingersScat> !gdm | miv
[01:02] <miv> yup
[01:02] <SchrodingersScat> or not
[01:02] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | miv
[01:03] <miv> when you log in to your account , you got report message that you havent valid context this is selinux issue
[01:04] <miv> should i releabel gdm binary
[01:06] <miv> !
[01:06] <miv> #
[01:06] <miv> `~|
[01:07] <miv> -0-
[01:07] <Ben64> miv: stop that
[01:07] <miv> )
[01:07] <miv> gdm
[01:13] <nagerst1> Hi, simple question: How do i make sound work in pepper flash in ubuntu without pulseaudio? I have hardware mixing and sound sounds an extraordinary amount better with ALSA only.
[01:13] <nagerst1> pulseaudio makes the sound all crackly and crappy
[01:15] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: I would argue that you should join #pulseaudio and ask them why your sound is crackly when using pulse.
[01:15] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Or file a bug report. (or both)
[01:16] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: ALSA works fine in all other applications. Is pulse an dependecy? if so, why is it not installed when installing pepperflash?
[01:16] <decadence18> Is there a place to get help on (attempting) to correctly set up an nginx web server? I apologize if this is not the right place to even ask that; I had no idea where to start.
[01:16] <daftykins> decadence18: so you've installed the package presumably?
[01:16] <nagerst1> I can listen to music with cmus and clementine, i can watch youtube with html5 and watch movies with mplayer2 and cvlc
[01:17] <daftykins> if not then there's no point asking for help until you've tried
[01:17] <nagerst1> only pepperflash poses any thourble
[01:17] <decadence18> daftykins: Yes, I installed both the nginx package and the php-fpm (or whatever it is) package. My main problem is I'm also running a LAMP server as well
[01:18] <daftykins> decadence18: and why are you attempting to run both on the same host? :P
[01:18] <nagerst1> If it requires pulse it should not be in the recommended stack, but required stack.
[01:19] <daftykins> nagerst1: pepperflash comes from chrome right, so Google PPA's - so not ubuntu's problem
[01:19] <decadence18> A job I am attempting to obtain is asking about my Wordpress abilities. I want to try to refamiliarize myself with Wordpress fully, without bothering my personal apache server
[01:20] <ianorlin> decadence18: run ubuntu-server on your own vm?
[01:20] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: I don't know. Have you tried https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Glitches.2C_skips_or_crackling for fixing the crackling in pulse?
[01:20] <nagerst1> daftykins: Good point, but as regular flash does not work any more on most sites. What can we do? It is not like gnash is going to leap forward like a beast very soon.
[01:20] <decadence18> @ianorlin I'm already running a server I'm just trying to use both nginx and apache. @daftykins I replied but forgot to have your name in front, sorry
[01:21] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: The goal is to NOT have pulseaudio. As i have very strange hardware.
[01:21] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Why is that your goal?
[01:21] <ianorlin> nagerst1: lubuntu ocmes without pulse audio but it is easy to install something that pulls it in
[01:21] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: I have a Yamaha device.
[01:23] <decadence18> Daftykins: Let me restart and give a bit more detail. I already have the packages installed and moved from port 80 to port 81. I now have two issues: Port forwarding nginx is not working, and a php page utilizing phpinfo(); is completely blank abet the exact code in the php file.
[01:23] <daftykins> decadence18: set it up in a VM
[01:24] <daftykins> nagerst1: i don't see that as being anything 'we' need to work on :)
[01:24] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: What is the significance of that?
[01:24] <daftykins> decadence18: sounds like the PHP module isn't enabled with nginx perhaps
[01:25] <decadence18> How would I do this? I followed the comments to the best of my ability and removed the appropriate lines in the sites-enabled file to allow it to use php
[01:25] <timdotrb> good evening, all
[01:28] <decadence18> daftykins: How would I do this? I followed the comments to the best of my ability and removed the appropriate lines in the sites-enabled file to allow it to use php
[01:29] <daftykins> decadence18: google's top result - http://askubuntu.com/questions/134666/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-enable-php-on-nginx
[01:30] <decadence18> I'm not sure if i've tried this or not (My search results may be slightly different as I don't use Google)
[01:30] <daftykins> VMs really are your friend though, you could've gotten away without messing with your own setup
[01:30] <nagerst1> daftykins and Jordan_U I am not asking you to fix it. Juse if you know of a non-pulse sollution. All other software works perfectly fine with the hardware mixer and dsp. If i install pulse i only get certain functionality.
[01:31] <decadence18> daftykins: I was considering VMs but I'm not 100% sure on how to use those either. I'm not even in college yet so...
[01:31] <nagerst1> If i have to accept no flash sound, that is acceptable as long as i get the hardware mixing that i have payed for.
[01:31] <daftykins> decadence18: install virtualbox and go nuts!
[01:31] <xangua> nagerst1: try firefox and flashplugin-installer
[01:32] <daftykins> being at a College has nothing to do with making use of virtualisation, it's amazing tech.
[01:32] <nagerst1> xangua: i will, but that will put me with 11.* right?
[01:32] <nagerst1> xangua: a very good suggestion. I only need flash for enjoyment purposes anyways.
[01:32] <decadence18> daftykins: Oh, I know. I'm almost completely self-taught with what I know is all I was saying, so there are many things I don't know
[01:33] <daftykins> as am i :P
[01:34] <somsip> nagerst1: personally, I run firefox without flash, and have chrome installed with its built in flash which I use when I need it
[01:35] <decadence18> daftykins: Could it possibly be not registering the PHP module because I'm using a non-default directory?
[01:35] <nagerst1> somsip: chrome has pepperflash. regular flash in firefox works.
[01:35] <daftykins> decadence18: what's non-default?
[01:35] <daftykins> you installed the packages, follow that link
[01:36] <somsip> nagerst1: yes, but if you're worried about safety (as I am) it is a way to keep flash from running on your main browser. An dI understand Chrome uses a sandboxing thingy that is safe, and updates come quicker than to FF if/when new flash vulnerabilities are found. YMMV
[01:36] <decadence18> daftykins: I changed where it looks for the .html & etc files
[01:36] <somsip> *quicker to Chromer than to FF...
[01:37] <daftykins> decadence18: the document root? just follow the link...
[01:37] <benjaminkingtech> hi
[01:37] <daftykins> decadence18: when you learn for yourself do you actually follow guides and manuals or keep guessing? ;)
[01:38] <decadence18> daftykins: I use guides and manuals and forums and etc  and on occasion I'll just guess (:
[01:38] <benjaminkingtech> hello
[01:38] <somsip> benjaminkingtech: do you have a support question?
[01:38] <akkad> ikonia: why would you kick someone for reporting a broken mirror or two?
[01:38] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Why do you consider hardware mixing a feature? Software mixing allows for higher quality, and does not require a lot of CPU (especially with newer CPU extentions added primarily for audio mixing).
[01:39] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: I do mixing on the yamaha 256mb card. It has perfect ALSA support but it does not work well with pulse.
[01:39] <benjaminkingtech> yes, i was wondering if Ubuntu 14.04.2 well work on old xp hardware.
[01:40] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: I could have bought a terratech card, but it has even less support for linux
[01:40] <xangua> what's an old xp hardare¿ benjaminkingtech
[01:40] <xangua> benjaminkingtech: if you are looking for some light dekstop there is Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[01:41] <nagerst1> benjaminkingtech: Fluxbuntu is about as light as you get in ubuntuland unless you are prepared to go cli and ncurses
[01:41] <benjaminkingtech> well i have a windows xp computer with a Pentium 4 ht in it.
[01:42] <elitedeamon> Hello anyone help me with setting a primary monitor on a triple monitor setup
[01:42] <daftykins> benjaminkingtech: those are pretty rubbish for all purposes now, things like youtube won't work properly.
[01:42] <Jordan_U> benjaminkingtech: It depends on the hardware (for instance, are there quality 3D drivers available for your graphics card) and also what you're doing. I'm currently working on a 10 year old Latitude D810 laptop using Xubuntu, and IRC and C development / git usage are great. Surfing the web can be painful though.
[01:42] <nagerst1> benjaminkingtech: As long as you do not have a old ATI card you can run any version of ubuntu on that machine.
[01:42] <elitedeamon> i have a R9 290
[01:42] <benjaminkingtech> thanks for the help i well try them soon thanks!
[01:43] <nagerst1> P9? as in Mobile radeon P9? (relabeled 7500), Those work fine.
[01:43] <elitedeamon> I have tried running a ArandR command in the startup to set my middle monitor as primary and it doesnt work
[01:44] <nbros652> I have a script that runs @reboot. The script uses both xset and xinput. These of course require access to the X server. DISPLAY=:0 is not working. Any ideas?
[01:44] <akkad> Wow... Let's ban people who matter *** Ban for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on #ubuntu set by ikonia
[01:44] <akkad> "Sorry Alan Cox, you can't join #ubuntu
[01:44] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: What does this script do? What is your end goal?
[01:44] <ianorlin> akkad: not the place for this discussion
[01:45] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: i have posted no script.
[01:45] <somsip> nbros652: you need to make sure X is running first. So @reboot may not be the best place for those sort of commands. How about something like .xinitrc ?
[01:45] <akkad> ##ubuntu?
[01:45] <Nixus> anyone know a good youtube player other than minitube?
[01:45] <Jordan_U> akkad: #ubuntu-ops is the place to ask about bans and discuss channel policy.
[01:46] <akkad> ianorlin: sorry. will do thanks.
[01:46] <Nixus> maybe that supports sign in
[01:46] <decadence18> daftykins: I've followed both the forum/tutorial you sent me and the one that it links to
[01:46] <decadence18> daftykins: Still only shows "phpinfo(); ?>"
[01:46] <elitedeamon> Anyone at all on the subject of setting primary monitor no?
[01:46] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Sorry, mistab :)
[01:46] <somsip> decadence18: missing '<?php' at start of file?
[01:46] <daftykins> decadence18: you know you have to restart the server first?
[01:47] <Jordan_U> nbros652: What does this script do? What is your end goal?
[01:47] <decadence18> somsip: No, but I may have figured out the problem
[01:47] <nbros652> somsip, will that run with root privileges? Event with X running, it doesn't work in ctrl+alt+F1. I should also mention that the script runs in the background and still fails after X has started.
[01:47] <decadence18> daftykins: I know
[01:47] <decadence18> daftykins: I got php to work, now I just have to get nginx port-forwarded
[01:48] <daftykins> decadence18: ok, you don't need to give me a step by step update btw...
[01:48] <nbros652> Jordan_U, screenlock replacement basically. Checks to see if my fitbit is close by, disables all inputs if not and blanks the screen. Re-enables all inputs and brings screen back when I get close to my computer.
[01:49] <nbros652> Jordan_U, works fine if I run manually from within X
[01:49] <nbros652> ... as root
[01:51] <somsip> nbros652: not in ~/.xinitrc but maybe /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc would be worth looking at
[01:52] <nbros652> somsip, I'll take a look at that. It may be what I need.
[01:52] <Jordan_U> nbros652: Does it work if you set it to run in a cron tab 1 minute from now (or similarly with at)? It may be that the script is running before X has started, or it may even need to be run after your specific gnome session has started.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> nbros652: Ahh, your most recent command answers my question.
[01:56] <nbros652> Jordan_U, strangely it does not work in crontab one minute from now either.
[01:56] <somsip> nbros652: are you using envs in the script that are not setup by the cron environment?
[01:58] <nbros652> somsip, I specified DISPLAY, but that's all.
[01:58] <nbros652> somsip, Jordan_U: gonna give xinitrc a whirl
[01:58] <nbros652> brb
[02:03] <spacebison> ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0
[02:06] <nbros652> somsip, Jordan_U: not sure why, but the X stuff still doesn't work from xinitrc either. The script starts, but xset and xinput don't work
[02:06] <intelburnz> hello everyone
[02:07] <daftykins> lo
[02:07] <Jordan_U> nbros652: Why don't you just send gnome-screensaver lock and unlock events?
[02:07] <NegativeFlare> heh
[02:07] <NegativeFlare> ok then
[02:08] <nbros652> Jordan_U: the unlock stopped working with 14.04 I think
[02:08] <somsip> nbros652: so you've got the right place to trigger the script. One step closer at least
[02:08] <Jordan_U> nbros652: How are you trying to unlock the screen? What happens when you do?
[02:09] <nbros652> somsip, actually it ran before in cron. It's behaving the same way in xinitrc as it did in cron.
[02:09] <somsip> nbros652: ah - ok
[02:11] <Jordan_U> nbros652: I now see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/1307163 , but it's still more secure (and probably simpler) to use an existing locking implementation. You could possibly switch to xscreensaver or another lock screen.
[02:11] <nbros652> Jordan_U, I don't actually lock the screen. I disable all inputs (xinput) and blank the screen (xset). Then I reverse everything to "unlock"
[02:12] <Jordan_U> nbros652: I know, and I'm suggesting that since your end goal is to have the session "locked", you should instead use purpose built software to accomplish it.
[02:13] <nbros652> Jordan_U, I just might go that route. I was thinking of doing that.
[02:13] <nbros652> I'm still curious though because I was still thinking of blanking the screen using a similar script for other reasons (not locking).
[02:21] <nbros652> Jordan_U, somsip: Thanks for the input. I'll keep playing with it
[02:21] <Jordan_U> nbros652: You're welcome.
[02:24] <somsip> nbros652: np
[02:32] <scavmartin> does anyone know of a working sudo package with sssd support for freeipa on Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:37] <themusicgod1> if the launcher disappears in fallback gnome in 14.04 (possibly by something being clicked) is there a way to re-enable it?
[02:47] <fishdealer> hey trying to use xrandr to change resolution of monitor VGA1 anyone know command to do this?
[02:49] <daftykins> xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768
[02:49] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[02:56] <zauhari> test brother
[02:57] <daftykins> fail
[03:10] <gunndawg> Could someone explain to me why unchecking "use system title bar and borders" gets rid of the minimize, maximize, close buttons on chrome?
[03:11] <ianorlin> gunndawg: because those are provided by the system title bar
[03:27] <vitprado> hello
[03:27] <daftykins> hi
[03:27] <vitprado> google is down?
[03:28] <vitprado> or only here?
[03:28] <daftykins> i don't know where you are in the world.
[03:28] <daftykins> so answering that would be foolish
[03:28] <daftykins> try www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com :P
[03:29] <vitprado> thanks
[03:29] <vitprado> is already normal =)
[03:37] <shortstraw8> Anyone have a good recommendation for a very basic free autoCAD for linux?
[03:37] <timer159> ?
[03:37] <timer159> test
[03:38] <timer159> can anyone read my msg?
[03:38] <shortstraw8> Yes timer159
[03:38] <daftykins> http://alternativeto.net/software/autocad/?platform=linux
[03:39] <daftykins> !test | timer159
[03:39] <timer159> oh.why can't I post message at some other channel?
[03:39] <timer159> like archlinux?
[03:40] <MrPPS> Hey guys, I've got an FDE setup (done at installation time of my distro from the Live CD). I'm adding an additional hard drive, and I'd like this to be encrypted also. Is there a "best method" approach to this scenario?
[03:40] <ubuntuser13> i installed oald8 successfully in ubuntu. Desktop icon also created. but when i run it by clicking on Desktop icon. nothing happens.why?
[03:40] <MrPPS> Ideally, I was thinking of having it encrypted with the same key, auto mounted as /home at boot time, but, if this is not possible, does anyone have a suggestion as to the best alternative? Thanks
[03:40] <ubuntuser13> i'm running ubuntu 14.04 64bit.
[03:40] <daftykins> timer159: go ask #freenode please.
[03:41] <timer159> !test
[03:42] <timer159> what/who is ubottu?
[03:42] <daftykins> a bot for this channel.
[03:42] <timer159> aha. Thanks.
[03:42] <daftykins> timer159: now this is an ubuntu channel for support only, so...
[03:42] <shortstraw8> I have seen those daftykins. Any experience with them?
[03:42] <daftykins> nope!
[03:42] <timer159> sorry. I see. Thank you guys.
[03:48] <datakid_> I'm trying some upstart init scripts for the first time
[03:48] <datakid_> they are not working
[03:49] <datakid_> the docs would indicate that creating the conf files and checking them with init-checkconf is sufficient for them to start working
[03:52] <datakid_> the init-checkconf comes up good
[03:53] <datakid_> but post reboot nothing is running
[03:53] <datakid_> well, neither of my init's
[03:56] <Jonno_FTW> hi, I have a .so file that is in a non-standard location, how do I make it visible when running programs?
[04:00] <azizLIGHT> when i try to open my archive in archive manager it complains that "could not open 'data.ext4.win000' Archive type not supported." .... whats the problem? how do i fix it? its suppose to be a multi-part archive win000 win001 win002 win003 and win004
[04:00] <daftykins> created by what?
[04:02] <azizLIGHT> by a backup utility for anndroid. it says it makes tar files
[04:03] <daftykins> so name them appropriately
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> i tried to rename a archive who only has 1 file, with .tar, and it worked. but i cannot figure out what the file names should be for a multi part win files
[04:03] <daftykins> or run "file <filename>" on them
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> i have tried .tar, .tar.000 .tar.001 and so on
[04:03] <daftykins> well you can't just make things up
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> what do you mean?
[04:04] <daftykins> run the above
[04:04] <azizLIGHT> it says "data.ext4.win000: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> data.ext4.win001: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
[04:05] <daftykins> it might actually be that they're not spanned
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> what does that mena
[04:05] <daftykins> they might be freestanding
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> oh, like indepenent archives that dont rly on each other
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> *rely
[04:06] <daftykins> so rename the first to win000.tar and see if it opens
[04:06] <daftykins> the reason that it segmented them is because likely your card is not exFAT and cannot handle a huge single file
[04:06] <daftykins> i bet they're all a similar size, yeah?
[04:06] <daftykins> ls -hl /path/where/they/are/
[04:06] <azizLIGHT> yes it opened
[04:06] <azizLIGHT> cool!
[04:07] <azizLIGHT> yeah theyre all 1.6gb except forthe last one
[04:07] <azizLIGHT> and i had a fat32 filesystem to backup to
[04:07] <daftykins> ah-har, that'll be why then
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> i just thought they were multi-part files. like how many archvives are
[04:08] <daftykins> ;)
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> never seen independent archives that are named numerically
[04:08] <daftykins> only for certain illegal obtaining of content :P
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> yeah lol
[04:08] <daftykins> but naturally nobody here would do any of that...
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> heh
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> never
[04:09] <azizLIGHT> thanks daftykins now i can check out my files
[04:09] <daftykins> np
[04:10] <ubuntuser13> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit  how to solve these?
[04:11] <Ben64> ubuntuser13: more details are required
[04:11] <azizLIGHT> insufficient data for meaningful answer
[04:12] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: actually i installed a java based software in ubuntu. but unable to run it. java7 installed properly. but unable to execute program.
[04:12] <daftykins> ubuntuser13: you need to tell us what you did to get that error
[04:12] <daftykins> we're not mind readers, you see
[04:13] <ubuntuser13> in terminal i type:  /usr/bin     /home/***/isg/1sg2 where isg is program name. it shows following errors.
[04:14] <daftykins> "/usr/bin program" ? no that can't be right.
[04:14] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: sorry /bin/sh
[04:14] <daftykins> but that's a shell...
[04:14] <Ben64> ubuntuser13: pastebin the *exact* command and the full error
[04:15] <ubuntuser13> daftykins:  yes software is executable.  like isg.sh.
[04:15] <daftykins> you're running it wrong, if it has a proper shebang then you would chmod +x then "./script.sh"
[04:16] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: i did that. program installed correctly.
[04:16] <ubuntuser13> Ben64:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10769818/
[04:17] <Ben64> what is the program
[04:17] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: http://searchgurbani.com/sgdv/isg for ubuntu/unix
[04:18] <daftykins> what happens when you type "java -version" ?
[04:19] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10769835/              it shows java version.
[04:21] <Ben64> ubuntuser13: looks like you were here on november 19th with the same problem with the same program. maybe contact whoever makes it and ask them for help
[04:23] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: please tell me how to see logs at freenode?
[04:23] <daftykins> maybe you don't have a JAVA_HOME
[04:24] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: this  problem occured due to java errors . not because of that software.
[04:25] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: how to get JAVA_HOME?
[04:26] <Ben42_> ubuntuser13: you should not be so sure, java is likely working fine
[04:27] <ubuntuser13> Ben42_: i think i should reinstall java.
[04:28] <Ben42_> ubuntuser13: no, you should ask whoever made that software
[04:29] <ubuntuser13> Ben42_: these errors connected with java not with that software.
[04:29] <OerHeks> Does java have a debug option?
[04:29] <Ben42_> incorrect
[04:29] <ubuntuser13> Ben42_ java could not create a virtual machine. this is a java problem.
[04:30] <Ben42_> java -version works, so java works
[04:30] <Ben42_> whatever that script does is not working properly
[04:30] <OerHeks> ubuntuser13, that software is written in the time of 'java 6 or higher'
[04:31] <OerHeks> ubuntu btw this software is in beta 1.0 http://beta.searchgurbani.com/sgdv/isg
[04:31] <OerHeks> :-D
[04:31] <OerHeks> worth a try
[04:32] <jason__> I just downloaded it and it worked for me. o_O
[04:32] <ubuntuser13> OerHeks: see the first line , updated April, 2015.
[04:34] <ubuntuser13> jason_: this is a sikh religious Software.
[04:35] <jason__> yeah I just downloaded it out of curiosity
[04:35] <jason__> I ran the shell script and it opened an installer window.
[04:36] <wmw> hey, i need some help
[04:36] <ubuntuser13> jason_: so please use this, according to sikh customs and traditions. this program installed correctly on my system also but i unable to run it due to java errors.
[04:37] <azizLIGHT> why cant i make exfat via gparted for a usb drive
[04:38] <azizLIGHT> its grayed out
[04:41] <azizLIGHT> i even did 'sudo apt-get install exfat-utils exfat-fuse'
[04:43] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, known isue, gparted only detects exfat > sudo mkfs.exfat -n LABEL /dev/sdc1 # where sdc1 is your usb drive
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> hm ok
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> why even bother listing it
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> lets tease the user with something he cant make
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> ??
[04:50] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, after making exfat, does the drive have GPT ?
[04:51] <OerHeks> then i think you should try an other usb drive, remove the mbr and create GPT, maybe the option is then not greyed out
[04:52] <OerHeks> that 'greyed out' bothers me, the opton is there,
[04:53] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: how do i check if its gpt?
[04:53] <OerHeks> sudo fdisk -l # fdisk will complain about gpt
[04:55] <azizLIGHT> it didnt complain about gpt
[04:55] <azizLIGHT> about my /dev/sde
[04:56] <OerHeks> oh oke, ofcourse not, with those fuse utils.. does it say gpt?
[04:56] <azizLIGHT> which fuse util? how do i use it to check gpt?
[04:56] <DuvyDude> could someone help me? i keep getting this hang up during boot: http://dpaste.com/0QKMJ9K
[04:57] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, fdisk shows here > Disklabel type: gpt
[04:59] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i dont see anything like that in sudo fdisk -l
[05:00] <daftykins> azizLIGHT: fdisk doesn't support GPT :P
[05:04] <OerHeks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10770087/
[05:04] <daftykins> hey wait a minute :P since when...
[05:04] <daftykins> i thought it usually detected GPT then threw its' hands up and said "i'm not touching that!"
[05:05] <OerHeks> that was my 1st reaction too
[05:05] <OerHeks> it will give an error complaining about GPT, so it is 99% certain it is GPT
[05:08] <OerHeks> so how does your fdisk look like azizLIGHT ?
[05:08] <TurtleDan> I keep gettin these errors when I update.  Should I just ignore them? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10770110/
[05:09] <daftykins> PPA is dead, remove it
[05:11] <OerHeks> TurtleDan, see https://launchpad.net/~jon-severinsson/+related-packages
[05:11] <OerHeks> ppa-purge would restore to the original files
[05:11] <TurtleDan> Thank you.
[05:11] <daftykins> ubuntu ditched ffmpeg so there won't be any, i think?
[05:12] <OerHeks> maybe it returns, not sure
[05:19] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i just made it exfat from Disks
[05:20] <mlll> hi
[05:35] <DuvyDude> could someone help me? i keep getting this hang up during boot: http://dpaste.com/0QKMJ9K
[05:35] <daftykins> and what do you do? skip?
[05:36] <daftykins> edit /etc/fstab and check the entries against 'sudo blkid'
[05:38] <AfterDarkness> hello, when i do 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' (my sd card) i get type BBT. what is bbt?
[05:40] <AfterDarkness> how can i mount a BBT type?
[05:41] <daftykins> what about 'sudo parted -l' ?
[05:42] <AfterDarkness> partition table: unknown
[05:42] <daftykins> !info pmount
[05:42] <AfterDarkness> i have it installed but dont know how to use it to be honest, have to look at the man page
[05:43] <AfterDarkness> but i should use pmount instead of mount right?
[05:43] <daftykins> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-819835.html
[05:43] <daftykins> see the post before last on there
[05:44] <AfterDarkness> Error: device /dev/sdc4 does not exist
[05:44] <daftykins> don't just paste things randomly, read the post there and use your head :)
[05:44] <AfterDarkness> I did read that exact link before coming here tho :D
[05:45] <AfterDarkness> that is when i installed pmount
[05:45] <ANJ7> I install code blocks in my ubuntu by source code. Now I cannot run it. How can I run it?
[05:45] <ANJ7> installed*
[05:45] <cached> so i know this isn't ubuntu related, but are there any freenode ops here around? some dude is spamming the heck out of #python and #freenode and neither seem to have anyone around to take care of it
[05:45] <daftykins> you shouldn't install software that way if you can avoid it.
[05:46] <daftykins> cached: you're right, that is completely irrelevant to this channel :)
[05:46] <ANJ7> how can I run it now?
[05:46] <daftykins> depends if your compilation worked and where that put the files
[05:46] <daftykins> i have no idea :)
[05:47] <daftykins> this is why you should use packages
[05:47] <ANJ7> it gives an error
[05:47] <ANJ7> codeblocks: error while loading shared libraries: libcodeblocks.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:47] <daftykins> yeah so it can't find that
[05:48] <ANJ7> but I did every step ./configure, make and sudo make install
[05:48] <daftykins> packages.
[05:49] <ANJ7> i know but atleast once I want to build it from source and run
[05:49] <daftykins> probably came with a readme, or has one on their site
[05:50] <AfterDarkness> daftykins, gparted say that the device has only an unallocated partition, but on my other PC I can see that there are files
[05:50] <genii> ANJ7: Do you have package libcodeblocks0 installed?
[05:50] <AfterDarkness> only one*
[05:50] <ANJ7> donno
[05:50] <genii> !info libcodeblocks0
[05:50] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: edit /etc/ld.so.conf
[05:50] <genii> hrm
[05:52] <ANJ7> gr33n7007h, what should I edit ?
[05:52] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: add /usr/local/lib into that file
[05:52] <ANJ7> oh, ok
[05:53] <ANJ7> gr33n7007h, its already there
[05:54] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: type sudo ldconfig then try open code blocks again?
[05:55] <ANJ7> gr33n7007h, thanks its opening now :)
[05:55] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: np
[06:06] <makara> hi. From bash how can I tell if I'm using ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop?
[06:06] <daftykins> one has a GUI. one does not.
[06:07] <hateball> Pre-installed, that is
[06:10] <n-iCe> Which one is lighter, mate xubuntu or lubuntu
[06:10] <genii> lubuntu
[06:11] <ablest1980> is lubuntu light ubuntu?
[06:11] <ablest1980> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu
[06:12] <ablest1980> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[06:12] <n-iCe> mate looks promising
[06:22] <gr33n7007h> makara: [ `uname -r | grep -qs "\-server"` ] && echo "server" || echo "desktop"
[06:27] <geirha> makara: Why does the distinction matter?
[06:30] <gr33n7007h> geirha: s\he's either lost their fingers or fell asleep
[06:51] <makara> gr33n7007h: that doesn't work
[06:51] <makara> geirha: just wondering
[06:51] <daftykins> makara: surely you know what you have installed on your own systems?
[06:52] <makara> daftykins: a bundled droplet with a whole lot of crap services
[06:53] <makara> i know, its pretty daft. Just check for X
[06:53] <daftykins> that's not actually an answer to my question
[06:53] <makara> what was your question?
[06:53] <daftykins> you can see it above
[06:53] <makara> oh
[07:10] <htqp> makara: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop* | grep '\*\*\*'
[07:10] <htqp> where ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop,etc. are the metapcakages for the respective ubuntu flavors
[07:11] <daftykins> what if someone had avoided the meta packages and installed X components manually? ;)
[07:12] <htqp> and what if I install the server version then the desktop packages without the meta-package?
[07:13] <daftykins> i feel like you just repeated what i said
[07:16] <sweb1> how to edit fstab saftly ... i dont have VNC .. i just have ssh
[07:16] <sweb1> if i miss somthing i cant access my server after restart
[07:17] <makara> sweb1: you could attach that disk to another VM and edit the fstab from there
[07:17] <makara> I've done that
[07:19] <makara> htqp: comes up blank on both desktop and server
[07:19] <k1l_> sweb1: use a cli editor over ssh like nano. is not a big issue
[07:19] <k1l_> *it is
[07:21] <gr33n7007h> makara: what does uname -rv say?
[07:22] <gr33n7007h> or does ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server use the same generic kernel now?
[07:22] <k1l_> gr33n7007h: yes they do
[07:22] <gr33n7007h> k1l_: ah ok scrap that then makara
[07:23] <daftykins> gr33n7007h: have done since 12.04
[07:23] <daftykins> despite the factoids being wrong still
[07:23] <gr33n7007h> daftykins: I'm way behind the times :P
[07:23] <daftykins> ;]
[07:24] <k1l_> the sources.list should name the install media in the header
[07:25] <k1l_> and you can lookup if you got a *dm installed and running.
[07:26] <adoniscik> I'm trying to coax grub into seeing a new operating system I installed after buying a new hard drive. upgrade-grub2 didn't do it. Can someone lend a hand?
[07:32] <QwertyDragon> "sudo update-grub"  In terminal might work.
[07:34] <adoniscik> that's the same as update-grub2 though
[07:45] <geirha> gr33n7007h: even if it did end in -server, your test will always claim it's desktop
[07:49] <gr33n7007h> geirha: I know, was to early in the morning ;P
[07:50] <gr33n7007h> my brain doesn't function properly till about dinner
[07:50] <daftykins> you need a coffee injection :)
[07:50] <gr33n7007h> on my fourth cup already :)
[07:51] <hawa> how do i open different application in different window using terminal??? i tried to do it using wmctrl bt it did not work. May be I was doing something wrong... my machine is ubuntu12.04
[07:52] <Mouzz> Is there a way to specify a preferred dns server which is always used/tried first? I use one internal dns server (which resolves local names and redirects other requests to a public dns) and a public dns for when the nternal one is unreachable. The problem now is that Ubuntu seems to be switching to the second (public) dns I have entered in NM...
[07:52] <cfhowlett> Mouzz, yes you can use a custom DNS.   Over my head, but perhaps ##linux or #ubuntu-server would know the details.
[07:52] <daftykins> Mouzz: maybe if you kept the external only and hardcoded your internal hosts that you need to hit, you could bypass that
[07:54] <digitsm> Hello
[07:54] <daftykins> hi
[07:54] <digitsm> I still have problem with installing ubuntu on a PC with Nvidia GTX 750 Ti
[07:54] <daftykins> digitsm: boot with nomodeset?
[07:54] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[07:55] <daftykins> once installed you need to add the xorg-edgers PPA then install the nvidia-346 package
[07:55] <digitsm> I installed xubuntu 14.04, followed this instructions http://askubuntu.com/questions/425140/unable-toboot-with-nvidia-gtx-750-ti-even-with-latest-beta-drivers
[07:55] <digitsm> Then updated and driver doesn't work now
[07:55] <daftykins> oh so i suppose i have to read that to help you, huh? :)
[07:55] <daftykins> digitsm: so you downloaded the driver from nvidia direct?
[07:56] <digitsm> daftykins, Yes
[07:56] <daftykins> ok that was a bad move
[07:56] <Mouzz> cfhowlett: daftykins: I'll try the suggested #'s thnx. And I use an internal dns for a reason :) Too much work to copy around the growing and changing the (local-)hosts file like in the 70ies :)
[07:56] <daftykins> that is why it's broken now
[07:56] <daftykins> digitsm: you need to re-run the installer if you want to fix it as-is.
[07:56] <digitsm> daftykins, Do you suggest using xorg-edgers?
[07:56] <daftykins> yes
[07:56] <daftykins> but you'll need to remove what you have now for that to be an option
[07:57] <digitsm> daftykins, really?
[07:57] <daftykins> digitsm: yes
[07:57] <digitsm> You mean I have to uninstall the driver I downloaded from nvidia? how?
[07:57] <daftykins> run the nvidia uninstaller
[07:59] <digitsm> daftykins, I only ran a .run file
[07:59] <daftykins> yes
[07:59] <daftykins> digitsm: type "nvidia" then hit tab, it might resolve a -uninstall
[07:59] <digitsm> daftykins, you mean running "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-334.21_2.run" again?
[08:00] <daftykins> no i do not
[08:00] <digitsm> daftykins, I found command nvidia-uninstall
[08:00] <daftykins> i mean running what i said
[08:00] <digitsm> daftykins, After uninstalling nvidia-uninstall, should I go to tty1?
[08:00] <digitsm> because xorg will go off I think
[08:01] <skepticle> Hey folks, having an issue with my new ubuntu install. about 20px on each side of my monitors is hidden, i have changed the resolution and still have the same issues. i have also adjusted the overscan on both monitors and even when set to 4:whatever the portions of the screen are still missing but with a massive gap where the aspect ratio is changed. any info
[08:01] <daftykins> you should add xorg-edgers first, uninstall, then apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-346
[08:02] <daftykins> skepticle: graphics hardware + driver?
[08:02] <digitsm> nvidia 346 instead of 349?
[08:02] <digitsm> daftykins, Thank you very much for helping. I stuck with it for 3 days
[08:02] <daftykins> i don't think 349 is in the xorg edgers PPA, let me see
[08:02] <digitsm> daftykins, it is
[08:03] <daftykins> ah ok that's recent then
[08:03] <skepticle> Daftykins XFX 7750HD with AMD catalyse propietary drivers for linux have been updated to no avail
[08:03] <daftykins> skepticle: you've queried the scaling options within the CCC though?
[08:04] <skepticle> daftykins: there is no CCC gui
[08:04] <daftykins> i've seen pics of it and guides for resolving overscan, so you must be mistaken
[08:04] <skepticle> daftykins: then i may or may not have done something wrong D:
[08:05] <skepticle> one sec.
[08:08] <digitsm> daftykins, I uninstalled manually installed nvidia driver, but my Xorg didn't went down (I mean tty7 is still running)
[08:08] <digitsm> !
[08:08] <digitsm> daftykins, Is it ok?
[08:09] <digitsm> daftykins, p.s. I also blacklisted nouveau
[08:09] <daftykins> just follow the steps then reboot after
[08:09] <digitsm> daftykins, OK
[08:09] <daftykins> yeah the guide you followed was pretty terrible
[08:10] <Meinskur> Digitsm, remember to remove the USB after you've installed Ubuntu, I had that problem last night xD
[08:10] <digitsm> daftykins, Oooh
[08:11] <daftykins> Meinskur: it's already an installed version
[08:11] <trijntje> is there a way to get man to write its output to stdout or a file?
[08:11] <Meinskur> allright :D
[08:12] <skepticle> daftykins, think i fixed my mistake, gonna restart and find out ^.^ Danke
[08:13] <ahmetalpbalkan> Hi folks, how can I find the list of the URLs downloaded to the machine during an 'apt-get install'. I'm trying to do this to measure network performance of the repos I'm using and I'm planning to curl to /dev/null and measure download time to isolate disk speed in this equation.
[08:14] <daftykins> kind of a waste on the repos, no? :)
[08:14] <ahmetalpbalkan> lol
[08:14] <daftykins> ubuntu already has a 'find best mirror' function, you know?
[08:14] <ahmetalpbalkan> daftykins: I'm pretty sure what I'm doing :D
[08:14] <ahmetalpbalkan> I need to measure speed of the best the mirror used
[08:14] <daftykins> why?
[08:15] <daftykins> perhaps if i can understand what you're trying to achieve, there might be an easier way
[08:15] <gunndawg> Is there any way to adjust picture quality for flash (mostly live streams) using Ubuntu 14.04 and chrome? Seems the same streams I usually go to are somewhat lesser quality than when viewed on my windows machine.
[08:16] <daftykins> that'll be down to Google who provide pepperflash, not ubuntu
[08:16] <daftykins> see if they offer an HTML5 version perhaps?
[08:16] <ahmetalpbalkan> daftykins: I work at a cloud provider and I want to measure network speed of the repos we have from VMs and compare with others
[08:16] <ahmetalpbalkan> I thought finding out what blobs downloaded and downloading them without writing them to disk and measuring download times would be a bit apples to apples comparison
[08:17] <ahmetalpbalkan> because cloud providers provide different disk write speeds and I want to take that out of equation
[08:17] <skepticle> daftykins: Got it sorted, You're the real MVP :D
[08:17] <daftykins> most vicious penguin \o/
[08:17] <daftykins> skepticle: was the scaling option responsible?
[08:18] <skepticle> Daftykins: Yeah, apparently i installed like a complete moron, my linux skills be rusty :3
[08:18] <daftykins> it's no wonder when drivers are like AMDs :(
[08:19] <skepticle> lol i know right, too cheap for intel though >.<
[08:19] <skepticle> Anyways, Thanks for the help. I owe you a beer! :D
[08:20] <daftykins> hehe enjoy
[08:24] <digitsm> daftykins, I can't "sudo aptitude install nvidia-346" It waits for headers forever :(
[08:24] <daftykins> digitsm: you update'd first yes?
[08:24] <digitsm> daftykins, yes
[08:24] <daftykins> also why do people use aptitude when apt-get comes built in
[08:25] <yongxinghui> ubuntu 14.04 can not rotate 90 degree with Intel GMA3600: My video card is Intel integrated GMA3600, when I choose to rotate 90 degrees in "Display Setting", the display show the message "the Signal is Lost". what can I do to support it?
[08:25] <daftykins> digitsm: ctrl+c and try again, maybe it's your connection
[08:26] <digitsm> daftykins, I connect through a VPN
[08:26] <digitsm> daftykins, But I can view webpage of xorg-edgers
[08:27] <daftykins> well, do what you have to
[08:29] <digitsm> daftykins, How can I know if PPA of xorg-edgers is available or not?
[08:29] <digitsm> I mean its url
[08:30] <digitsm> I don't have its URL to test it
[08:32] <daftykins> digitsm: if you've having issues, look at the packages it wants to grab, download them manually and install via sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[08:33] <digitsm> daftykins, I want to exactly do so, but how could I find that package?
[08:33] <xsi> "apt-get install gnome-sound-recorder"
[08:33] <xsi> no gnome-sound-recorder
[08:34] <gr33n7007h> hawa: something like: wmctrl -s 1 && program &
[08:34] <hawa> gr33n7007h, turns out, unity has only one workspace split int 4 viewport... I have to use my screen coordinates...
[08:35] <daftykins> digitsm: what do you mean?
[08:35] <digitsm> daftykins, Nothing, I found it
[08:35] <gr33n7007h> ah, yes I forgot about that
[08:36] <digitsm> But it seems that downloading from launchpad is extremely slow. Maybe the firewall of my company is filtering the files
[08:37] <Logic1> Its always kind of slow for me
[08:39] <AndreeeCZ> hi! how can i check what cpu scheduler i'm using?
[08:41] <digitsm> daftykins, I temporarily reinstalled nvidia 334.21 which I downloaded from Nvidia website
[08:41] <digitsm> After installing enough packages (like proxies, etc.) I will retry installing from xorg-edgers
[08:41] <digitsm> dragly, Thanks
[08:41] <daftykins> ok
[08:46] <vlt> Hello. What tool can I use to compare two images and get an amount of similarity? For example: Image A is a screenshot of a movie and I want to compare it to (a sequence of still images of the) movie and find the timestamp it was taken. Any idea?
[08:48] <shafox> Hi, I have installed jenkins, now i switched to jenkins user using sudo su - jenkins, i tried to print which java, which javac it gave nothing. while in my username i can see those values. How can i set those to jenkins user as well ?
[08:48] <Ben64> vlt: findimagedupes
[08:49] <vlt> Ben64: Thanks, I’ll have a look at it.
[08:49] <vitimiti> Hello, I have bought a new USB2.0, and when I put it into my Ubuntu machine it is mounted as a DVD and I can't format it or change its contents, how can I fix this?
[08:51] <hateball> vitimiti: by USB2.0, do you mean a thumbstick/flashdrive?
[08:51] <vitimiti> hateball, yes
[08:51] <hateball> vitimiti: Check that it does not have one of those hardware read-only switches
[08:52] <vitimiti> hateball, I don't see any, I do see it comes with an antivirus inside of it
[08:52] <vitimiti> Oh, I forgot, this is the dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771119/
[08:53] <Ben64> vitimiti: http://media.kingston.com/support/downloads/DTVP_userManual_002.pdf
[08:54] <hateball> Interesting, a manufacturer that makes the effort to support Linux
[08:54] <vitimiti> Ben64, thank you
[08:56] <daftykins> hateball: don't worry, it won't last
[08:56] <daftykins> :>
[09:01] <digitsm> Hmmm. I want to install ubuntu 14.04.1 on a new PC (and then update it so it won't update its kernel to latest)
[09:01] <digitsm> From where could I download 14.04.1 iso for amd64?
[09:02] <daftykins> yeah that works fine, i do that to avoid having the utopic HWE of 14.04.2
[09:02] <daftykins> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[09:03] <daftykins> oh they've culled the .1 ISOs now =/
[09:03] <digitsm> daftykins, yes :(
[09:04] <daftykins> digitsm: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/
[09:04] <daftykins> there you go
[09:05] <digitsm> daftykins, the link doesn't exist
[09:06] <daftykins> i don't know what you mean, but actually that just has the mac edition ISOs :<
[09:07] <yongxinghui> xubuntu 14.04 can not rotate 90 degree with Intel GMA3600: My video card is Intel integrated GMA3600, when I choose to rotate 90 degrees in "Display Setting", the display show the message "the Signal is Lost". what can I do to support it?
[09:09] <daftykins> digitsm: there's always the mini.iso - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/trusty/
[09:12] <iptable> digilink, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[09:13] <daftykins> same thing. same issue.
[09:13] <iptable> digitsm, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[09:13] <iptable> you can download full ISO from there for 14.04.1
[09:13] <daftykins> iptable: if you follow the actual link it's got the same issue as my links
[09:14] <Ben64> whats the issue?
[09:14] <digitsm> daftykins, At last I found a link to download it from a download center from my country
[09:14] <digitsm> Ben64, nothing :-"
[09:14] <swizgard_> hi
[09:15] <daftykins> Ben64: 14.04.1 ISOs have been culled at last :( some of us don't want to use the utopic HWE
[09:15] <iptable> daftykins, what's the problem?
[09:15] <iptable> daftykins,  ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64+mac.iso   is there!
[09:15] <Ben64> daftykins: they're literally in the link you gave
[09:15] <daftykins> iptable: yeah that's the mac spin though
[09:15] <Ben64> uh...
[09:15] <iptable> daftykins, no, that's amd64
[09:15] <Ben64> amd64+mac
[09:15] <iptable> and mac
[09:15] <daftykins> they were always separate in the past
[09:16] <Ben64> not anymore
[09:16] <cfhowlett> daftykins, no more "mac" spin.  AMD 64 is now mac standard
[09:16] <Ben64> if you notice, there is no 14.04.2 amd64 without mac either
[09:16] <daftykins> weird how the ones i downloaded didn't have mac in the name then
[09:16] <swizgard_> i have a weird ram-problem. i upgraded (completely replaced) ram in my laptop. with one piece of ram i get a kernel panic after "decompressing kernel", with two i get a beep and restart. but when i use a ubuntu live system from usb stick i come as far as choosing "try" or "install" (with one piece of ram)
[09:16] <iptable> daftykins, on official download they may be called different
[09:17] <swizgard_> does that make any sense to someone here?
[09:17] <daftykins> swizgard_: memtest with all configurations
[09:17] <daftykins> or perhaps BIOS update
[09:17] <Ben64> memtest first, its the easiest
[09:18] <swizgard_> daftykins: how do i memtest with these new live systems? there is no option for that anymore...
[09:18] <daftykins> should be
[09:18] <daftykins> swizgard_: if you don't see 'test memory' then just make up a bootable medium with memtest86+ on
[09:19] <iptable> swizgard_, when you put in liveCD/USB of ubuntu server, you have memtesst option. for desktop one, you may need to hold ctrl (or shift?) while booting to see grub boot menu. you shouldn't need to though. Go to "advanced options" and memtest is there
[09:20] <iptable> swizgard_, alternatively, on memtest website itself, they have pre-built ISOs: http://www.memtest.org/#downiso
[09:21] <daftykins> a fine echo :)
[09:22] <AntiSol> hi
[09:22] <daftykins> hi
[09:23] <AntiSol> I'm having trouble with the patch utility and was hoping somebody could help me
[09:23] <daftykins> ask away with detail on one line
[09:23] <lonelybyte>  how to solved  No apm support in kernel?
[09:24] <AntiSol> I'm trying to apply the patch from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/18338. I did apt-get source e2fsprogs and saved the patch from that page. when I do 'patch -p1 < patchfile.patch' it tells me that it's patching the files but it doesn't make any changes to the files.
[09:25] <lonelybyte> No apm support in kernel  why this problem?
[09:25] <AntiSol> i also tried patch --verbose but it doesn't give any insight, seems to indicate that everything is ok. but the files dont change. am I missing something obvious?
[09:32] <daftykins> AntiSol: permissions perhaps?
[09:32] <daftykins> i gotta run, ttfn
[09:32] <davevanloo> o/
[09:33] <AntiSol> no it's not permissions akaik, I have write access to everything.
[09:33] <AntiSol> patch gives a 0 return code as if everything is ok
[09:33] <AntiSol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771372/
[09:33] <davevanloo> hey all, i was wondering if any one knows of a way to get a flash player full screen on a non primary monitor. from what i have read its prety impossible, accept for youtube.. but then id have to use html 5 ( aka firefox nightly )
[09:35] <shafox> In this answer http://stackoverflow.com/a/8185849/1460910, it is written that  it must be available for the user that starts Jenkins. How can I give jenkins user to have java_home variable
[09:36] <Rory> Can I get the "old" right-click->appearence application back? I installed shiki-colors and don't know how to set the theme
[09:36] <Rory> I'm wearing my Jaunty Jackalope shirt. I liked Jaunty Jackalope a lot. I could always find the theme selector there.
[09:38] <davevanloo> shirts of software you like do rule! :)
[09:45] <norc> touch /tmp/foo; chmod +x /tmp/foo; export PATH=/tmp/:$PATH; su - citt -c "foo"
[09:45] <norc> Why doesnt this work?
[09:46] <norc> Why isnt su - user -c "some_command" using the PATH?
[09:46] <norc> (Executing `su -c user -c "echo $PATH"´ shows that the PATH is properly set within the command)
[09:47] <pandb> so i know this isn't exactly the channel for it, but what exactly can I *do* with d-bus?
[09:50] <rbasak> pandb: you can provide an API to other applications over it, and you can access the API of any application that provides an API through d-bus.
[09:50] <davevanloo> dang you beat me! :P
[09:52] <yossarianuk> hi - reading this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-15-04-Launches-in-Two-Weeks-Will-Be-Based-on-Linux-Kernel-3-19-3-477904.shtml
[09:52] <yossarianuk> it looks like ubuntu 15.04 is going to be based on kernel 3.19.3
[09:52] <yossarianuk>  does that  mean BTRFS users are screwed ?
[09:53] <yossarianuk> i.e https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas - you need 3.19.4 + or you may have an unbootable system with btrfs
[09:54] <basichash> should "sudo usermod -aG docker user" return any output?
[09:55] <basichash> i.e. how can i tell if it was successful?
[09:55] <EriC^^> basichash: cat /etc/passwd
[09:55] <EriC^^> basichash: it won't have a home dir though
[09:55] <EriC^^> also i think it's not -aG
[09:55] <EriC^^> just -G , -aG is for usermod
[09:56] <EriC^^> ah nevermind
[09:56] <EriC^^> basichash: type groups user to see the groups
[09:56] <basichash> EriC^^: yeah doesn't appear to be there
[09:56] <EriC^^> basichash: logout and back in
[09:56] <EriC^^> type or type sudo login user
[09:58] <basichash> EriC^^: thanks
[09:58] <EriC^^> np
[10:10] <zenny> Hi, trying to create a multiseat as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions with "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]" card which has an hdmi, vga and dvi ports. But I could not figure out how to create a 99-multiseat.conf as described here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions#Example_.232) for ati radeon cards with fglr
[10:16] <amade> hello
[10:16] <thegrreat> Hello amade
[10:19] <digitsm> daftykins, At last I successfully installed nvidia 346 and it works like a charm
[10:20] <digitsm> daftykins, I had to you proxychains + tor to access launchpad though!
[10:20] <davevanloo> digitsm, i did the same yesterday :)
[10:20] <davevanloo> i even got SLI to work properly ^
[10:20] <digitsm> davevanloo, :)
[10:21] <fishdealer> using xrandr how do I set VGA1 to res 1920x1080. xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 isn't working
[10:24] <aasp> which is the best distribution linux
[10:25] <aasp> exit
[10:25] <davevanloo> aasp: there is not "best" distribution its all about personal taste and requirements
[10:25] <davevanloo> oke.. lol
[10:26] <zenny> Repost: Hi, trying to create a multiseat as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions with "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]" card which has an hdmi, vga and dvi ports. But I could not figure out how to create a 99-multiseat.conf as described here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions#Example_.232) for ati radeon cards w
[10:28] <dreamer_> hi anyone here
[10:28] <dreamer_> i installed cakephp version since minutes ago
[10:29] <dreamer_> and when i run ./bin/cake server
[10:29] <dreamer_> and in my browser http://localhost:8765
[10:29] <dreamer_> CakePHP is NOT able to connect to the database.
[10:31] <jaykilleen> whats the cli command to upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04? has it released yet?
[10:31] <dreamer_> CakePHP is NOT able to connect to the database
[10:31] <dreamer_> sorry
[10:32] <dreamer_> apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:32] <DJones> jaykilleen: Its not been released yet, if you upgraded, you'd only have the development version
[10:40] <trijntje> what is the best way to run third party apps in isolation so they cannot read or write any files I dont want them to?
[10:40] <nejm> a vm maybe?
[10:41] <hateball> trijntje: there are several ways, as for what is "best" depends on your criterias
[10:41] <hateball> chroot, vm, container like docker... etc
[10:42] <hateball> merely running the apps as a separate user account without read-rights to your usual users $home could be enough
[10:43] <trijntje> hateball: I dont want to use a vm since I'll probably end up using a bunch of them at the same time
[10:44] <Ben64> vm really is the best choice for that, could even revert back to a known good image after you shut down
[10:44] <chotaz`w> trijntje, vagrant might help u?
[10:45] <MonkeyDust> oddly, i havent been able to launch linux desktops with vagrant
[10:45] <trijntje> Ben64: but its such a pain to get files into and out of a vm
[10:46] <Ben64> ...not really
[10:48] <hateball> trijntje: Suppose it depends on the apps you intend to run
[10:48] <hateball> You could create a new partition with a filesystem that supports snapshots, put a new users $home there, run apps as that user. Then you can restore using filesystem level snapshots as well...
[10:50] <trijntje> hateball: I want to use many different apps as part of a workflow, so logging in as another user or running part in a vm isnt really an option
[10:51] <Ben64> then give up on having them not affect anything
[10:51] <hateball> trijntje: you dont have to end your primary users session just to run single apps as a different user
[10:53] <hateball> Anyhow, it sounds like trying to create 10 problems rather than solving 1
[10:54] <trijntje> hateball: sure, but what is the point of logging in as another user if you then cannot access the files of the primary user which you need?
[10:54] <hateball> trijntje: I thought that was the entire point of your operation
[10:55] <hateball> Perhaps if you explain exactly what you're trying to achieve it's easier to find a "best" solution
[10:55] <MonkeyDust> i guess trijntje and hateball are not talking about the same thing
[10:55] <trijntje> hateball: the entire point of the operation is to have it only touch the files I wnat it to, not just everything
[10:55] <chotaz`w> I still think something like vagrant or puppet would help u, if you have such specific different workflows that can't interact with each other.
[10:56] <trijntje> I'm just looking for a way to restrict a program to reading/writing in one folder. If I want to use it I just copy the data to that folder, when I'm done I copy the output out of it
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:00] <hateball> trijntje: If it's a certain app you could probably achieve it using AppArmor
[11:00] <__zug__> All of a sudden (like the last week or so) I keep getting "Error interpreting JPEG image file (Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x52 0x49)" when I try to view saved .jpg files. Every file on discogs and other random places is doing this so it's not just one website doing it. From what I see on stackoverflow the file is a .png file but didn't change it. Anyting I can do on my on my end to stop this?
[11:00] <hserra0> Just use a sandbox for that application then?
[11:01] <Ben64> __zug__: stop what
[11:01] <__zug__> Ben64: why is this doing this?
[11:02] <Ben64> __zug__: didn't you just explain that it is a png file labeled jpg
[11:02] <__zug__> I can't open any files
[11:02] <__zug__> hold on...
[11:02] <trijntje> chotaz`w: vagrant looks interesting, since it does a lot of the work of setting up a vm.
[11:03] <chotaz`w> vagrant up and your good to go.
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> trijntje  http://www.vagrantbox.es/
[11:05] <__zug__> Ben64: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11310220/why-am-i-getting-the-error-not-a-jpeg-file-starts-with-0x89-0x50 All this tells me is the files that I am download use to be .png files but no solution to fix the issue. Can I even fix the issue, supposedly it's the mistake of all the websites, not me. Do you thing this is true? If so, there's an awful lots of websites renaming there files from .png to .jpg all of a sudden.
[11:05] <Ben64> __zug__: what websites, what are you doing, explain more, where are you opening this stuff
[11:06] <victor> hello! I'm trying to sync my iphone music to my computer but Clementine doesn't 'see' my iphone, any idea?
[11:06] <hateball> !iphone | victor
[11:08] <__zug__> Ben64: discogs.com is one site and that's a huge webiste. right off hand, another one would be: http://www.stockhausen-verlag.net/img_posters/Verlag_Poster_23.jpg these are not the only website just two of the recent ones.
[11:09] <Ben64> __zug__: thats a jpg
[11:09] <__zug__> yeah, i know that
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> __zug__  yes, it shows a picture of some convention, what's wrong with it
[11:09] <__zug__> it doesn't on mine, that's why i'm aksing wtf
[11:10] <eax1> hello, guys!
[11:10] <Ben64> __zug__: on your what!
[11:10] <eax1> is way to add hotkey in ubuntu to boot time?
[11:10] <EriC^^> eax1: what are you trying to do?
[11:10] <__zug__> Ben64: When i save the file to the desktop and try and open it
[11:10] <Ben64> __zug__: with what!
[11:11] <eax1> EriC^^: I wann launch my application if some button is pressed at boot time
[11:11] <eax1> how to do that?
[11:11] <EriC^^> what do you mean at boot time?
[11:11] <EriC^^> after you login?
[11:11] <eax1> before
[11:11] <eax1> when ubuntu just starts
[11:12] <MrElendig> and just what app do you want to spawn?
[11:12] <MrElendig> and why?
[11:12] <EriC^^> at the login screen?
[11:12] <eax1> after loading drivers, autoload applications etc
[11:12] <eax1> before X will startx
[11:12] <__zug__> Ben64: with my default image viewer (The GNOME image viewer).
[11:13] <eax1> I want press down a button "u" and catch this event
[11:13] <Ben64> __zug__: what is the output of "file /path/to/the.jpg"
[11:13] <EriC^^> eax1: are you trying to write a keylogger?
[11:13] <EriC^^> lol
[11:14] <eax1> EriC^^: huh, may be keyloggers use same technique
[11:14] <EriC^^> eax1: what application do you want to start?
[11:14] <eax1> EriC^^: I want to start my-own writted application
[11:15] <Ben64> eax1: not possible, make it start on boot or something
[11:15] <EriC^^> lightdm can start apps..
[11:15] <EriC^^> eax1: what's the application do?
[11:16] <eax1> EriC^^: It will setup networking
[11:16] <eax1> beauty network configurator
[11:17] <Ben64> you know, ubuntu can already configure the network
[11:17] <eax1> huh! getchar() !
[11:18] <MonkeyDust> trijntje  i have 1404-server (32 bit) running through vagrant, it's very easy
[11:18] <eax1> Ben64: ugly configurator? Oh no ... NEVER!
[11:19] <EriC^^> eax1: why don't you start it after you login?
[11:20] <EriC^^> you want tit system-wide?
[11:20] <EriC^^> *it
[11:20] <eax1> EriC^^: because it is must be hidden from user, and just service-personal must know about "magic button"
[11:41] <iptable> eax1, make the application a shell (unity or other) plugin with a keyboard shortcut that will trigger it
[11:41] <iptable> eax1, or alternatively setup a keyboard shortcut in the shell to start your app
[11:42] <trijntje> MonkeyDust: I'm reading the docs now, and its pretty cool that there are already a whole lot of boxes available for download
[11:42] <eax1> ok
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: have you been able to fix that issue the other day?
[11:45] <pandark> salut
[11:45]  * iptable salutes
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> !fr | pandark
[11:45] <pandark> oups sorry i forget to add -fr
[11:46] <pandark> !br | pandark
[11:46] <pandark> haha
[11:46] <pandark> fun
[11:46] <pandark> bye
[11:47] <arcsky> i did apt-get update && upgrade, i have still OpenSSL 1.0.1f  which are vulnerable
[11:48] <trijntje> lotuspsychje: yes, the recompiled driver seems to work a lot better. I still get some disconnects but not more then under windows ;)
[11:48] <emilsp> arcsky, which version are you running ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> arcsky: wich ubuntu version
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: wich driver did you use exactly, im curious
[11:49] <trijntje> lotuspsychje: I ended up following this website: https://www.sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7
[11:50] <arcsky> 14.04
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: interesting url tnx
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> !info openssl trusty
[11:51] <Monah> test
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> arcsky: this is default 14.04 version of openssl
[11:52] <marianne_> hello, does anyone know a way to get blu-rays to show the menu when using VLC to play them?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> !blueray | marianne_
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> marianne_: maybe the #videolan guys might also know
[11:53] <norc> Hi, Ive asked a question earlier today, but got no response so Ill just repeat it:
[11:54] <norc> touch /tmp/foo; chmod +x /tmp/foo; export PATH=/tmp/:$PATH; su - citt -c "foo"
[11:54] <norc> Why does this result in a "Command not found" error? Executing "puts $PATH" shows that the path is set appropriately.
[11:54] <Fr3d3r1c> Hello
[11:56] <Fr3d3r1c> I would like mount (correct sentence ?) a permanent ssh connexion please. How must i do this ?
[11:56] <Fr3d3r1c> Sorry, i'm French
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> !ssh | Fr3d3r1c
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> !fr | Fr3d3r1c
[11:56] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, you mean you want to mount an scp/sftp location to local location?
[11:57] <SchrodingersScat> !info autossh
[11:57] <Fr3d3r1c> i want to mount a local disk to my server
[11:57] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, if truing to use ssh for that, you can use sshfs (which is a fuse filesystem)
[11:58] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, ssh doesn't do mounts otherwise per-se. sshfs my-remote-user@my-remote-host:/home/my-remote-user remotefs/
[11:58] <norc> Oh my the headache. "echo $PATH" expands $PATH before being passed to su. Nevermind, this makes sense now.
[11:58] <bcc> so I tried to update mailman from ubuntu, running 14.04 and got http://paste.ubuntu.com/10772196/ (update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match mailman default-stop values (none))
[11:58] <Fr3d3r1c> i have already add the public key on my server
[11:59] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, you can share public key (ssh-keygen && ssh-copy-id) to the server and execute the command on the server on boot in one of the rc scripts to mount automatically without needing password
[11:59] <Kira9204> Fr3d3r1c: in that case add it to fstab and it will automaticalky mount on startup
[11:59] <iptable> Kira9204, does fstab accept fuse mounts?
[11:59] <Kira9204> or when you run mount /fir
[11:59] <Kira9204> iptable: yes
[12:00] <Kira9204> i have several SSHFS mounts tunneled thru SAMBA
[12:00] <iptable> Kira9204, oooh, didn't know :). In that case, that IS the easiest option. Fr3d3r1c check out fstab sshfs (google?), that's what you need
[12:01] <Fr3d3r1c> the problem is not mouting the server on boot but to maintain ssh connexion if i do not use it while a long time
[12:04] <Dominique> With Ubuntu 14.04 it seems impossible to get into grub when booting a VM in a virtual environment. Holding shift does not seem to reveal grub.. any tricks? It's within openstack.
[12:05] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, ssh connection, or sshfs filesystem mount? you want to access one filesystem via a mount from another server, right?
[12:05] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, in that case sshfs will retain the connection (or reconnect)
[12:05] <Fr3d3r1c> yes iptable
[12:05] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, or are you talking about just being ssh'd in to the server forever so you can execute commands on it?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: are you using virtualbox?
[12:06] <Dominique> lotuspsychje_: No, OpenStack.
[12:06] <iptable> ugh
[12:06] <Fr3d3r1c> sshfs does not maintain the connexion
[12:06] <Fr3d3r1c> i have tried yesterday
[12:06] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, it will restart it though, no?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: maybe the #openstack guys might know
[12:07] <iptable> Dominique, how are you connecting to the VM? vnc?
[12:07] <Dominique> lotuspsychje_: well I believe this is more a thing with Ubuntu rather than OpenStack
[12:07] <Fr3d3r1c> no iptable
[12:07] <Dominique> With CentOS I can get into grub just fine.
[12:07] <Dominique> iptable: noVNC
[12:08] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, well, you could try doing ls on it from a screen/tmux session in a loop - while (true); do ls /some/location; sleep 60; done
[12:08] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: from virtualbox, this should be possible, so it must be an openstack thing
[12:08] <Kira9204> Fr3d3r1c: i use the following http://paste.ubuntu.com/10772313/
[12:08] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: ask in #openstack plz
[12:08] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, that will force query every 60 seconds. but most likely its an issue with network more than anything. tbh, you should use NFS or other for that purpose. sshfs/fuse mounts are a bad idea for production
[12:08] <iptable> Dominique, for a start you could change the grub config in client to just always show grub menu
[12:09] <Dominique> It boots so fast that the grub thing flies by
[12:09] <lotuspsychje_> iptable: good idea :p
[12:09] <Kira9204> Fr3d3r1c: it has been up for several weeks now without truble
[12:09] <iptable> Dominique, make it stay there for 10 seconds. it's a .cfg config file
[12:09] <Dominique> Sure, but that doesn't help right now if one of your colleagues managed to break his Ubuntu machine
[12:10] <iptable> Dominique, can't you mount the virtual drive somewhere to do the change? or use a more sane vnc solution to access so that you can send a sticky key to grub?
[12:10] <Fr3d3r1c> i'm looking for nfs
[12:10] <Dominique> Not really
[12:11] <emilsp> this is what happens when people don't use qemu
[12:11] <iptable> Dominique, ither mount the drive and change config then boot it, or use another vnc solution, or ask on #openstack, as suggested
[12:11] <Dominique> Already asked
[12:11] <iptable> qemu+kvm rules!
[12:11] <Dominique> funny because OpenStack uses that iptable
[12:11] <Dominique> ;)
[12:12] <iptable> Dominique, I know. + 5000 other things to complicte your life.
[12:12] <iptable> Dominique, use another VNC client then
[12:12] <Dominique> Surely there is a trick to connect to it via virtual machine manager
[12:12] <Dominique> I have not bothered to try yet
[12:12] <emilsp> wait, openstack uses qemu and you're using anything other than spice ?
[12:12] <iptable> Dominique, virt-manager connects to libvirt, if it's installed, you can connect to it
[12:12] <Dominique> emilsp: Not exactly my choice
[12:12] <emilsp> Dominique, I feel thy pain
[12:13] <Dominique> iptable: I realize that, however user authentication is where the problem would be
[12:13] <iptable> Dominique, then tell whoever decides that you cannot do it unless you use another connection solution
[12:14] <iptable> Dominique, we can't help you if you / someone in your organisation / chose to use a solution that does not work. have you tried pressing SHIFT quickly instead of holding it?
[12:14] <Dominique> It's not a decision made by anyone, it's simply an issue with the Ubuntu cloud image booting too fast.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: what about F1 instead of shift, to enter boot options like nomodeset?
[12:15] <Dominique> lotuspsychje_: thanks I'll try that
[12:16] <iptable> first time soneone complains an OS boots too fast :P enable grub menu for 5 seconds for everyone to avoid future issues
[12:16] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[12:17] <Dominique> It worked much better in Ubuntu 12.04 tbh
[12:17] <Dominique> Seems rather painful to get into grub with 14.04
[12:17] <lotuspsychje_> makes no sense, 14.04 is rocksolid
[12:19]  * iptable coughs
[12:19] <iptable> Dominique, no, it's just fine for users, if you are running user's desktops on openstack you should make correct provisions
[12:20] <Dominique> They're servers.
[12:20] <Dominique> Not desktops
[12:21] <iptable> Dominique, first thing I do on servers is enable grub for 10 seconds on boot
[12:22] <Dominique> Well yeah, should be in the Ubuntu cloud image by default tbh
[12:22] <Dominique> Or at least a few seconds
[12:23] <emilsp> isn't the whole idea behind teh klod that you can boot up instances effortleslly and almost instantly ?
[12:23]  * lotuspsychje_ doesnt like the cloud
[12:25] <iptable> emilsp, yup
[12:25] <Dominique> Effortlessly unless someone decides to break his fstab, quite stupid of them tbh
[12:25] <Dominique> Should punish them by recreating the vm
[12:25] <iptable> Dominique, mount the drive on the host somewhere, make grub changes or chroot to it, fix issue, unmount, boot
[12:25] <iptable> Dominique, that's how I fix kvm/qemu issues when booting is not possible. mount, chroot
[12:25] <Dominique> iptable: Honestly that's not worth the trouble, if I cannot do it through what is already available
[12:26] <Dominique> It's a 5 second fix if you can get to grub
[12:26] <Dominique> just init=/bin/bash
[12:26] <Dominique> fix fstab
[12:26] <Dominique> sync
[12:26] <Dominique> reboot, done
[12:26] <iptable> Dominique, it's a 5 second fix once you mount the virtual partition too...
[12:26] <Dominique> Yes, but it's not as easy to mount partitions
[12:27] <boichev> If I have a custom apt repo with 2 versions of the same package but with different release number 5.3.29-3 and 5.3.29-2 ... on a machine I have the 5.3.29-2 installed, but the apt-get uprade does not tell me that I can upgrade this package.... What can be the problem ?
[12:27] <iptable> Dominique, ugh, fdisk -l /your/drive/image.img, then losetup with offset to access partition and mount the loop device. that's 3 commands
[12:28] <k1l> boichev: run a apt-get update
[12:28] <boichev> k1l tried that and no change...
[12:28] <iptable> Dominique, I would urge you to try and learn it. for the future, great experience
[12:28] <Dominique> iptable: really that's not the reason.. I know how to use Linux mate
[12:28] <Dominique> I'm a RHCE, I know my way around Linux
[12:28] <k1l> boichev: can you pastebin the "apt-cache policy packagename" form both amchines?
[12:28] <Dominique> I could even use guestfish to fix it for all I care
[12:29] <Dominique> But our storage is quite restricted and I'm not the one maintaining it, the guys who do are not in the office today ;)
[12:29] <iptable> Dominique, that's nice. I was MCSE once too :O Also TOGAF, RHCE and CCNA. You ask, we give you a way to fix it. move on.
[12:29] <iptable> Dominique, multiple ways: sppice, other vnc solution, mount disk and fix ...
[12:31] <boichev> k1l ahhh I saw it..... ;) -2 has 100 in /var/lib/dpkg/status and the -3 has only 10 because of the weight of the repo
[12:32] <boichev> k1l so installed package has a default weight of 100 and if I want to upgrade a package my apt-repo should be bigger than  100
[12:32] <boichev> righe ?
[12:32] <boichev> right?
[12:33] <Cullz_irssi> exit
[12:43] <k1l> boichev: is that a PPA? or a own repo? did you change the weights or used apt-pinning?
[12:43] <boichev> k1l own repo
[12:44] <k1l> usually apt will install everything that got a higher number as default
[12:44] <boichev> k1l I fixed it with pin 200
[12:44] <boichev> I had it to 10
[12:44] <boichev> not knowing about the default 100 for installed packages
[12:44] <boichev> :)
[12:47] <k1l> boichev: see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man5/apt_preferences.5.html
[12:47] <cryptic0> I need to install HDF5 in order to satisfy dependency for another software.  But I am seeing a long list of HDF5 packages for Ubuntu.  Which one do I need?
[12:53] <Voyage> Hi, I am using kubuntu, my desktop screen flickers sometime and gets stuck/held/no mouse-keyboard accessable then. My internet  connection gets stuck (stays connected but does not works. this is not a fault of ISP. other devices work). I tried deleting .kde but no use. Using kubuntu 14.10 LTS fresh install.
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> Voyage  1) 14.10 is not LTS
[12:55] <MonkeyDust> Voyage  didi ubuntu work normally, before?
[12:55] <davevanloo> i would suggest you join #kubuntu for help specific to kubuntu 14.10 is also supported
[12:56] <iptable> Voyage, does it work on ubuntu/xubuntu/gubuntu, or broken too? question to identify issue. Also, when you ctrl+alt+f2, then ctrl+alt+f7 (or f8) to get to GUI, does it unstick?
[12:56] <who_me> hi. I'm seeing a candidate for Unity "Candidate: 7.2.4+14.04.20141217-0ubuntu1" but it's not offered as an upgrade. It also appears on this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty-updates&keywords=unity  So, what is going on?
[12:57] <who_me> I'm running Trusty
[12:57] <k1l> who_me: please show the  output of "apt-cache policy unity" in a pastebin
[12:58] <who_me> k1l, http://pastebin.com/PzUCYZDB
[12:59] <k1l> who_me: and now a "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get upgrade"
[12:59] <amine> hello
[12:59] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust,  ipitydaf00  disconnected again
[12:59] <Voyage_> iptable,  what will ctrl alt f* do?
[12:59] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust,  how can I get my exact distro number?
[13:00] <iptable> Voyage_, moves you out of GUI to command terminal and back (f7 or f8 will be your GUI terminal)
[13:00] <hkrrsx> morning
[13:01] <who_me> k1l, yeah, now unity showed up in apt-get's summary... but why would the GUI updater not offer it?
[13:02] <Voyage_> iptable,  MonkeyDust  oh my God, its DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04
[13:02] <iptable> Voyage_, so you have 10.04
[13:02] <iptable> 14.04
[13:02] <Voyage_> yes
[13:02] <iptable> LTs
[13:02] <Voyage_> yes
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_  cat /etc/issue
[13:02] <iptable> Voyage_, is it up to date?
[13:02] <Voyage_> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS"
[13:02] <k1l> who_me: its not a security update. they get only offered like once a week (iirc) so they get bundled.
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_  14.04 is LTS, that's fine
[13:02] <Voyage_> yes. its apt-get updated and upgraded
[13:03] <Voyage_> Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS \n \l
[13:03] <who_me> k1l, I remember having it there for longer than that :/
[13:03] <Voyage_> I think I am having issues with drivers.
[13:03] <Voyage_> what do you people think?
[13:03] <iptable> Voyage_, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:03] <Voyage_> iptable,  yes. done that
[13:04] <iptable> Voyage_, tried 14.10 to see if it works? I found 14.04 is too old for my laptop. 14.10 works, 14.04 gets wifi and GPU issues
[13:04] <who_me> k1l, thanks for helping me out :)
[13:04] <PCatinean> Hey guys doing lspci -nn | grep 0280 revelead my broadcom wireless card but apparently I canno see any wireless networks, what could be causing this? I have ubuntu 14.04 and Dell Inspiron 1564
[13:04] <Voyage_> iptable,  LTS is more stable . thats why I tried to stay way from non lts
[13:04] <PCatinean> Any help is greatly appreciated
[13:05] <Voyage_> iptable,  my laptop is much older. its dell 620 core 2 duo
[13:05] <Rory> Voyage_: It's not that LTS is more stable necessarily. It's that those releases recieve updates for a longer period of time
[13:05] <iptable> Voyage_, not necessarily. I have had desktop stability issues with 14.04 as it's too old for my laptop
[13:05] <iptable> Voyage_, well that laptop should be supported by 14.04 no problems. ut try 14.10, it's got loads of WiFi improvements
[13:05] <Rory> Voyage_: So if you wanted to deploy a fleet of servers with the same OS, it makes sense to use a LTS so you don't have to do it again in 18 months
[13:06] <Voyage_> point taken
[13:06] <Rory> Voyage_: Our base image is Ubuntu 12.04 based, and we'll keep using it until the updates stop :)
[13:06] <Voyage_> going to enable non-LTS  sources in the sources list. is that enough to get on ubuntu 14.10?
[13:06] <iptable> Voyage_, my servers are 12.04 and 14.04. My desktops 14.10, I will reinstall when it's out of support
[13:06] <iptable> is 15.04 out?
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> iptable  3 weeks from now
[13:07] <iptable> Voyage_, no, its not. get a liveCD/liveUSB of 14.10 and run on it, see how stable it is. no need to break current system to test
[13:07] <iptable> MonkeyDust, cheers
[13:07] <Voyage_> iptable,  I have so much on my current system. I just want to upgrade to 14.10
[13:07] <Voyage_> going to enable non-LTS  sources in the sources list. is that enough to get on ubuntu 14.10?
[13:08] <IceBot3000> Also you might consider Debian if stability is crucial - consider that Ubuntu is based on the testing version of Debian, says a lot
[13:09] <iptable> Voyage_, no, it's not. there is an upgrade procedure, which I can't remember
[13:09] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust,  Rory  are you there  (or it seems I got disconnected again)
[13:09] <Rory> aye. I didn't see you disconnect.
[13:09] <iptable> Voyage_, I would still ask you to be sensible and  get a liveCD/liveUSB of 14.10 and run on it, see how stable it is. no need to break current system to test
[13:09] <iptable> do not install, just use the liveCD/USB for a while to see if it breaks too
[13:10] <Voyage_> iptable,  Rory  MonkeyDust  do you guys use mac?
[13:10] <Sovereignentity> what program creates the text file with nthe right click menu
[13:10] <Rory> No, sorry. Linux on a Thinkpad like literally every other developer I know
[13:11] <iptable> Voyage_, no, do you?
[13:11] <Rory> Sovereignentity: gedit
[13:11] <iptable> Voyage_, is that a MAC you are using?
[13:11] <Sovereignentity> thanks Rory
[13:11] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_  yes
[13:11] <Voyage_> iptable,  I was just wondering. mac is more issue free. why do you guys prefer linux?
[13:11] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust,  ^
[13:11] <Voyage_> for desktop use I mean
[13:12] <themusicgod1> what command in 14.04 runs the launcher?
[13:12] <pbx> Voyage_, i suspect this sort of debate is outside the charter of this channel
[13:12] <iptable> Voyage_, mac is not issues free
[13:12] <ObrienDave> Voyage_, because linux is FREE
[13:12] <themusicgod1> (if you're in gnome and it doesn't run automatically)
[13:12] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_  no, I use a frankenstein-laptop, with nuts and bolts and wires, hardly a "portable" anymore
[13:12] <Rory> themusicgod1: alt-F2
[13:12] <frankenstein> Give me back my laptop.
[13:13] <mcphail> Voyage_: That isn't an Ubuntu support question and should be asked elsewhere. For what it matters, I find OSX a real pain to use and it is far from "issue free". It has not aged well as an OS
[13:13] <iptable> Voyage_, I had to use a mac for 4 months. it was a nightmare. The controls are ugly, they have a nasty excuse for a British keyboard, you need to memorise key sequence to write the character # and on top of that multiple-deskto support is just broken
[13:13] <Rory> Voyage_: I've never used a mac. And I don't have "issues" with Linux. Why do you use a mac when Linux is more issue free?
[13:13] <iptable> Voyage_, now, back to linux
[13:14] <cryptic0> Can someone tell me what's going on here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10772851/
[13:15] <pbx> Voyage_, notice how even when people are trying to redirect you away from this topic they can't resist throwing in some extra commentary.  which means you've successfully trolled the channel, intentionally or not
[13:15] <IceBot3000> iptable: Not sure why you had issues with a keyboard - I use a standard British keyboard with my Mac, works fine. You must have chosen the wrong setting
[13:16] <iptable> IceBot3000, uhm, no, the keys have pictures on them. They don't match then. let's not go there.
[13:16] <rishikl> Hi
[13:16] <Voyage_> iptable,  ObrienDave  you just use linux because its free? (mac is less in issues if not issueless) Rory  pbx  (amm. will take this discussion out of #ubuntu. I am a fan of linux but just discussin)
[13:16] <Rory> #ubuntu-offtopic Voyage_
[13:16] <halfburnttoast> shouldn't you all be going to ubuntu-offtopic or something?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> pbx, spamming the chat periodically isn't really trolling
[13:17] <help_lagger> ubuntu laggs on my computer
[13:17] <pbx> BluesKaj, but getting people's hackles up so that they can't help themselves from arguing offtopic is
[13:18] <halfburnttoast> just use whatever OS you want, lets just please avoid this whole win/mac/lin debate for the umpteenth billion time on the main support channel
[13:18] <help_lagger> athlon II x2 x64 dualcore 2.1 nvidia geforce/nforce 6150SE onboard 2gb ram
[13:18] <Voyage_> I have a genuine pain question. The office that linux use are not exactly compatible with docs of windows. is there a solution to that ( I know people have tried to make it compatible but still issues when I get files from windows users)
[13:18] <help_lagger> help me ubuntu laggs
[13:18] <rishikl> for unix db consultant , what topics must one know for mysql db development?
[13:18] <pbx> rishikl, join #mysql
[13:18] <BluesKaj> pbx, not going to argue the point :)
[13:19] <help_lagger> i just installed 14.04 i think the latest one LAT
[13:19] <help_lagger> and it laggs what do
[13:19] <rishikl> not able to talk on that channel
[13:20] <halfburnttoast> help_lagger, you need to give more information. What is lagging? When does it happen? is it only certain things? What does it look like when lagging? etc
[13:20] <davevanloo> help_lagger: we would need some more information then simply it lags.., what kind of lag are you having?
[13:20] <rishikl> even after registering Nick
[13:20] <help_lagger> halfburnttoast: davevanloo it laggs on login it laggs on typing it laggs on webpages loading and laggs especcialy when im searching something in that new unity search tool area
[13:20] <k1l> Voyage_: tell them users to use open standards and not closed source microsoft office fileformats. although libreoffice can open and handle most of those formats
[13:21] <Pici> rishikl: nick registration help in #freenode, and you aren't identified at all right now.
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> rishikl  were you banned from that channel?
[13:21] <help_lagger> lagg on pretty much anything
[13:21] <Voyage_> k1l,   but still issues when I get files from windows users
[13:21] <IceBot3000> Not very realistic to expect businesses to switch from MS Office, it's a defacto standard
[13:22] <davevanloo> help_lagger: are you running a live envirement or did you properly install ubuntu?
[13:22] <k1l> Voyage_: read what i said. or run ms office in wine.
[13:22] <help_lagger> davevanloo: installed with encryption it has allocated the whole disk no dual booting no vm
[13:22] <rishikl> not sure,someone else maybe using my Nick,I have tried registering with both my email id's,now non left to register
[13:23] <help_lagger> used the reccomended/express install option
[13:23] <k1l> IceBot3000: i am not expecting anything. i am just telling where the source of the issue is. its not to blame non ms office to not fully support the closed source file formats.
[13:24] <k1l> rishikl: ask in #freenode for help on how to use the freenode irc network and how to register and log into your account.
[13:24] <davevanloo> help_lagger: your still reffering to the lag as lag.. how does it lag.. as lag can come in many different forms.. and have many different causes..
[13:24] <help_lagger> davevanloo: graphical lagg
[13:24] <help_lagger> i think this is graphically intensive
[13:24] <help_lagger> how do i get the classic theme version of this
[13:25] <IceBot3000> If you have time, you could contribute to the LibreOffice project and improve compatibility
[13:25] <help_lagger> laggs when selecting text,laggs when typing, its like 500ms lagg on everything
[13:26] <davevanloo> help_lagger it could be related to your grapical drivers aswel.. standard x-server drivers often have a sort of laggy feel to them.. you could look into installing proprietary drivers
[13:26] <help_lagger> i already switched to the propriatery ones
[13:26] <help_lagger> xorg didnt even want to load the DE it crash each time
[13:27]  * iptable goes to shop
[13:27] <davevanloo> help_lagger: what grapics card does your system have? i had simular problems with mine becouse my 900 series card is quite new
[13:28] <help_lagger> davevanloo: i wish it was 900 series. its 6150SE nvidia
[13:28] <help_lagger> it runs windows xp fine tho, really fine
[13:29] <davevanloo> help_lagger i found the following article about gnome theme.. the gnome tweak tool might help you get better desktop performance: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141277/how-can-i-change-gnome-shell-theme
[13:30] <help_lagger> davevanloo: but isnt this unity and not gnome
[13:30] <ObrienDave> help_lagger, you can also try a 'lighter' DE
[13:30] <davevanloo> help_lagger & ObrienDave I would tend to agree
[13:31] <ObrienDave> i use xfce
[13:31] <ObrienDave> no lag here
[13:31] <help_lagger> i want to use i3 but im noob and using i3 on this bloated distro would be an abomination
[13:31] <IceBot3000> i3 CPUs are perfectly supported
[13:32] <ObrienDave> i3 DE ;P
[13:32] <help_lagger> any tutorials on how to get a new DE i3 window manager
[13:32] <davevanloo> and should perform well enough aswel
[13:32] <davevanloo> although i have always had i5 + myself, currently i7 4970k :)
[13:32] <ObrienDave> IceBot3000, i3 Desktop Environment ;P
[13:32] <davevanloo> ops! ObrienDave
[13:33]  * davevanloo quickly hides in a corner
[13:33] <thegrreat> can someone explain why my lowercAse A wont show up in TerminAl
[13:33] <batman22> hi
[13:33] <thegrreat> When writing LowercAse A it Becomes A spAce
[13:34] <thegrreat> The lowercAse A Does not show up in terminAl help me pleAse XD
[13:34] <thegrreat> a
[13:36] <k1l> help_lagger: if you know about i3, then you are able to install a minimal install and setup a i3 from there, right?
[13:36] <help_lagger> ill try but i always fail at everything linux
[13:37] <Haris> hello all
[13:37] <ObrienDave> so, rather than doing a little research, you want us to show you how to do it
[13:38] <Haris> is there a mirror where I can find old releases or their files in extracted (from the ISO) state
[13:38] <Haris> archive.ubuntu.com doesn't go as far back as I need
[13:38] <ObrienDave> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[13:40] <Haris> got it. thanks
[13:40] <hkrrsx> help_lagger: See this YouTube video on how to install i3-wm from the Software Center
[13:40] <hkrrsx> https://youtu.be/dhR5_mmXgSs?t=2m21s
[13:42] <chotaz`w> my laptop doesnt detect any proprietary gpu drivers, is this usual?
[13:43] <Voyage_> k1l,  can I run ms office in wine?
[13:43] <xangua> or just use libreoffice
[13:43] <k1l> chotaz`w: what video card do you got?
[13:43] <Haris> hello all
[13:44] <Haris> does precise have git-daemon-sysvinit in contrast to git-daemon-run ?
[13:44] <Haris> need to get rid of -run
[13:44] <Haris> how far back is precise ?
[13:44] <ObrienDave> !precise
[13:45] <ObrienDave> 3 years
[13:45] <Haris> is precise EOL/EOS ?
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Haris, no, it's LTS
[13:45] <nearzt> a
[13:45] <ObrienDave> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is a currently-supported !LTS
[13:45] <ObrienDave> read?
[13:45] <Haris> great
[13:45] <Haris> does precise have git-daemon-sysvinit in contrast to git-daemon-run ?
[13:46] <Haris> something that's supported, at last :D
[13:46] <Haris> ...that's still+ support...
[13:48] <Haris> guys ?
[13:49] <Haris> what comes after 12.04.4 ?
[13:49] <Haris> 13.04 ?
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Haris, 12.04.5
[13:49] <Haris> I mean the release version
[13:49] <PCatinean> haha
[13:49]  * PCatinean likes the troll
[13:49] <deepak> hi!
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Haris, 12.10 now EOL
[13:50] <ObrienDave> lordy
[13:50] <rsv> i want to install java6 to  a particular directory using apt-get
[13:50] <rsv> is this possible?
[13:50] <Haris> ok, precise, quantal and then raring ?
[13:51] <lolcat> Hello
[13:51] <lolcat> Does zfs work in 15.04? Does graphic drivers?
[13:51] <nearzt> hi lolcat
[13:51] <iptable> Haris, it's Year.Month
[13:51] <cryptic0> c++ error libhdf5_cpp.a  libhdf5_hl_cpp.a : no such file or directory.  What does this mean?
[13:51] <iptable> Haris, 12.04 is 2014 April
[13:51] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu+1 | lolcat,
[13:51] <k1l> lolcat: #ubuntu+1 for 15.04
[13:51] <Haris> what can I upgrade 12.04.4 to ?
[13:51] <hellknight> Hello. Which program or package should I use on Ubuntu to learn Java? And, is gedit a good program editor or should I use something else?
[13:51] <iptable> Haris, that's LTS, then we had short support 12.10, 13.04, 13.10. LTS again 14.04 and now we have short term support 14.10.
[13:51] <Haris> raring and then going up 1 release at a time ?
[13:51] <cfhowlett> Haris, 14.04, 14.10
[13:51] <k1l> Haris: you can use the LTS upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[13:52] <Haris> cool
[13:52] <Haris> what sources can I use for it
[13:52] <iptable> Haris, upgrade 12.04 to 14.04 to keep being on LTS (long term support).
[13:52] <iptable> Haris, http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2014/06/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-server-12-04-to-ubuntu-server-14-04-lts.html
[13:52] <k1l> Haris: dont edit the sources. use the update-manager
[13:52] <Haris> hmm
[13:53] <iptable> Haris, follow the guide in the link if you want to have a working system
[13:53] <Haris> not fimiliar with it yet
[13:53] <Haris> ok
[13:53] <k1l> Haris: no dont use that
[13:53] <cfhowlett> Haris, assuming you've localized your sources, just do-release-upgrade will get you to 14.04.1
[13:53] <Haris> !update-manager
[13:53] <k1l> iptable: that is a very bad howto, dont suggest that
[13:53] <k1l> Haris: are you running a server or a desktop?
[13:53] <ObrienDave> Haris, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-release-cycle-2.png
[13:53] <iptable> k1l, worked for me
[13:54] <k1l> iptable: to blindly advice -d switch is a nogo
[13:54] <iptable> k1l, then please share a better howto link. just helping here
[13:55] <rsv> hi, can i make apt-get install to a particular directory
[13:55] <MrElendig> rsv: trying to make a chroot?
[13:55] <rsv> no i want to install 2 different java versions
[13:55] <k1l> iptable: if the release-prompt is set to LTS a do-release-upgrade is fine. the -d will just cause issues if its not setup correct
[13:55] <rsv> i want one to be in /opt
[13:56] <iptable> rsv, you don't. you can debootstrap a chroot environment and install inside.
[13:56] <Haris> does do-release-upgrade prompt for upgrading before upgrading ?
[13:56] <Haris> after checking packages, dependencies, etc etc
[13:56] <hkrrsx> k1l: iptable: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[13:56] <rsv> iptable: how can i do that?
[13:56] <iptable> Haris man do-release-upgrade
[13:56] <k1l> Haris: are you running a server or a desktop?
[13:56] <iptable> rsv, install debootstrap, man debootstrap
[13:57] <iptable> rsv, or http://glonek.co.uk/tips-tricks/ubuntu-debootstrap-and-chroot/
[13:57] <vacca_p> coucou
[13:57] <Haris> -s seems ok
[13:57]  * iptable goes for a break
[13:57] <vacca_p> Hello
[13:59] <researcher123> is there a software which can be used for on-line teaching?
[14:00] <researcher123> !live communication
[14:00] <cfhowlett> researcher123, many.  narrow the focus of your question?
[14:00] <MrElendig> rsv: make a .deb that installs oracle java to /opt
[14:00] <MrElendig> rsv: or better, stop using java :p
[14:01] <researcher123> cfhowlett: I want to teach my students by sharing my screen n audio. Can it be done with  a ready software in Ubuntu?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> researcher123, I've found the online platforms to be more reliable and user friendly, e.g. adobe collaborate
[14:02] <nearzt> researcher123, how bout teamviewer presentation ?
[14:02] <cfhowlett> Adobe
[14:02] <cfhowlett> Connect
[14:02] <nearzt> cfhowlett, and hi. long time not see u ( im offline a lot lately )
[14:02] <cfhowlett> nearzt, greetings!
[14:02] <researcher123> nearzt: cfhowlett: I want to share screen n audio with many students at a time
[14:03] <ubuntu_> ubuntu
[14:03] <cfhowlett> researcher123, wait 1, I read a recent article on this very topic
[14:03] <Voyage_> k1l,  can I run ms office in wine?
[14:03] <researcher123> cfhowlett: waiting
[14:03] <cfhowlett> !wine \ Voyage_, up to 2010 perhaps.
[14:03] <Voyage_> k
[14:04] <k1l> Voyage_: yes, some work in wine.
[14:05] <k1l> !wine | Voyage_
[14:10] <otwieracz> Hey.
[14:10] <otwieracz> What can I do if ruby-rdoc has dependency ruby1.9.1 and both those packages provide file /usr/bin/rdoc causing file conflict?
[14:10] <otwieracz> (another package requires ruby-rfov)
[14:10] <otwieracz> (another package requires ruby-rdoc))
[14:11] <MrElendig> rvm all the things
[14:11] <neurosis-> is xubuntu a official flavour of Ubuntu
[14:12] <xangua> yes neurosis-
[14:12] <otwieracz> MrElendig: Yes, great. But foreman-installer required ruby-kofa which requires ruby-rdoc.
[14:12] <cfhowlett> neurosis-, most definitely
[14:12] <neurosis-> cool thanks xangua
[14:12] <neurosis-> and cfhowlett
[14:14] <cfhowlett> researcher123, adobeconnect      OS agnostic, browser based solution.  does everything you requested.  I can't seem to find the linux (?) alternative.
[14:14] <cfhowlett> https://iatefl.adobeconnect.com/_a875541554/p8r64oslafv/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal            for example
[14:14] <researcher123> cfhowlett: thanks.let me try n then report here
[14:14] <Voyage_> is kubuntu 15.04 launched?
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, nope.
[14:14] <k1l> !vivid | Voyage_
[14:15] <neurosis-> in your opinion which is the best to download 14.10 or 14.04
[14:15] <k1l> neurosis-: do you want to upgrade every 6 months?
[14:15] <cfhowlett> neurosis-, 14.04 is Long Term Support.  14.10 is 9 months support.
[14:16] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  why make 2 flavours? why not just give longterm support?
[14:16] <neurosis-> k1l no
[14:16] <k1l> neurosis-: then go for 14.04
[14:16] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  why make 2 flavours? why not just give longterm support? k1l
[14:16] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, some folks want bleeding edge
[14:16] <xangua> Voyage_: ubuntu is released every 6 months
[14:16] <neurosis-> cool thanks
[14:17] <k1l> neurosis-: that is LTS and is supported for 5 years. if you go for 14.10 you need to upgrade to 15.04 after 9 months at least and so on until 16.04 is reached
[14:17] <neurosis-> does 14.10 have newer packages is more bleeding edge
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, some folks want stability and long term support.  FLOSS  = choice
[14:17] <Pici> Voyage_: keeping things maintaiend for long term support takes manpower, and thats not really unlimited. Thus they get released every 2 years.
[14:17] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  can you elaborate
[14:17] <Voyage_> xangua,  so why not make it release LTS every 6 months
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, see pici's statement
[14:17] <xangua> ...
[14:18] <Voyage_> oh
[14:18] <IceBot3000> Bleeding edge is needed because Linux is silly, and thousands of bits of software is distributed as part of the OS which takes massive maintenance. Rather than it being agnostic to each distribution
[14:18] <Voyage_> Pici,  so ltc only gets in market after every 2 years
[14:18] <Voyage_> Pici,  so its just about longter support. thats it?
[14:18] <Pici> Voyage_: Right.  Plus thats more time and less pressure for corporations to plan their upgrades around... and yes.
[14:18] <Voyage_> Pici,  in terms of stability, is LTS and normal the same?
[14:19] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, an LTS release is a fairly major undertaking balancing upgrades/updates against stability and maintenance.  Not really something that can be done every 6 months.  you know who DOESN'T want to upgrade every 6 months?  corporations,  and sysadmins.
[14:19] <Pici> Voyage_: normal tends to be slightly less stable.
[14:20] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  yes. but both are equally stable?
[14:20] <Voyage_> Pici,  hmm  slightly?
[14:20] <researcher123> how to enable java script in firefox
[14:20] <neurosis-> thank you for the info fellas
[14:20] <k1l> if you think about stableness you should only consider LTS anyway
[14:20] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, it really is user choice.  if you're comfortable riding the bleeding/bloody edge, go for it. Me?  LTS only.  I upgrade every 2 years and I'm quite happy with the outcome.
[14:21] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  I had issues with screen and network. so I had to upgrade from lts to normal
[14:21] <Pici> Voyage_: For example, the transition to systemd is happening now, in the non-lts releases.  By the time that we get to the LTS release, the transition should be complete... but in the meantime, things are in a state of flux.
[14:21] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, understood.  there are reasons for non-LTS.
[14:22] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  hm ok. debian only launches one type. LTS/stable?
[14:22] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, I'm not sure debian would co-sign that description.  you'd have to ask #debian for details.
[14:23] <Voyage_> k
[14:23] <f00dWorksta> hi I have a question about /var/log/syslog.... It grew to 22G within a span of 5min, I have emptied it and it seems fine now, but am wondering why
[14:23] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, I might add, lts vs. interim releases vs. "rolling releases" has all the earmarks of a religious debate in the world of *nix.  And I'm an atheist, so I don't indulge.
[14:24] <ciurkut> hiho i have a problem with booting mint/ubuntu from live usb
[14:24] <cfhowlett> ciurkut, sorry, but mint is not supported here.
[14:24] <ciurkut> (shiet wrong enter) xd
[14:24] <Blueking> got access gateway replaced. today. Got home today after work   it seems  ip address on linux box connected to access gateway wasn't updated, and needed to do service networking restart to force pc/ubuntu to update eth0 (interface connected to access gateway)   not sure if it's hardware(mobo) or ubuntu that doesn't update itself auto ?
[14:24] <f00dWorksta> both syslog and kernel.log grew to 22G
[14:24] <ciurkut> what is the channel for mint?
[14:24] <cfhowlett> !mint | ciurkut
[14:25] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, hm
[14:26] <f00dWorksta> This is the error I get over and over again: NetworkManager[913]: <warn> error requesting auth for org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system: (3) GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not get UID of name ':1.33': no such name
[14:27] <f00dWorksta> this is another repeating offender: wpa_supplicant[1293]: nl80211: send_and_recv->nl_recvmsgs failed: -33
[14:27] <cfhowlett> f00dWorksta, maybe ask #networking
[14:28] <f00dWorksta> cfhowlett: ok thanks, I'll try there
[14:30] <lolcat> Hello
[14:30] <lolcat> I updated my kernel, now my mouse doesn't work
[14:31] <ObrienDave> to what version?
[14:31] <lolcat> no idea
[14:31] <k1l> what gives "uname -a"
[14:31] <lolcat> I guess I will just upgrade to 14.10 and hope for the best
[14:32] <lolcat> 3.13.0-48
[14:33] <f00dWorksta> oo I found a bigger block of error: mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00080000 even though no command operation was in progress.
[14:33] <lolcat> k1l: Is it likely that updating more will make it better?
[14:33] <k1l> lolcat: dont know what the source of that issue is. did you try a reboot?
[14:33] <f00dWorksta> that repeats about once every 0.000005 seconds
[14:34] <lolcat> k1l: I did not
[14:35] <ObrienDave> always reboot after a kernel change
[14:36] <lolcat> ObrienDave: I think I did right after, then the trackpad didnt work
[14:37] <ObrienDave> you said mouse earlier, which is it?
[14:40] <kulelu88> Hello, is there a channel for gpg/gnupg??
[14:45] <f00dWorksta> This error was repeated 153million times: mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00080000 even though no command operation was in progress.
[14:45] <pbx> kulelu88, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gpg+irc+freenode
[14:46] <medamaybe> How would I go about updating software to a version higher than available in the software center?
[14:47] <xangua> !latest | medamaybe
[14:47] <ObrienDave> medamaybe, find the PPA for the package
[14:47] <ObrienDave> !ppa
[14:47] <f00dWorksta> error ran over a span of 1hr
[14:48] <cfhowlett> pbx, much as I am also tempted, please don't use lmgtfy.
[14:48] <k1l> pbx: we dont use lmgtfy in here. although we have alis for channel search on freenode
[14:48] <k1l> !alis | kulelu88
[14:48] <pbx> cfhowlett, fair enough.  i did feel a bit like a cad
[14:49] <pbx> k1l, ^^
[14:49] <kulelu88> I found the channel, thank you folks
[14:49] <medamaybe> Thanks. How about when there is a newer version available that is not in a ppa? Do I uninstall from the software center and download/compile it manually?
[14:49] <cfhowlett> medamaybe, if it's in software center, no need to compile, just install.  what pacakage specifically?
[14:50] <jzp113> hi
[14:51] <medamaybe> None specifically at the moment. Just trying to figure out how things work. I was doing to some research to get cmake working, and noticed that there is a newer version of curl available than I can find in the software center.
[14:51] <jzp113> hi guys some know which channel talk about ifid?
[14:51] <jzp113> hi guys some know which channel talk about rfid?
[14:51] <cfhowlett> medamaybe, compiling from source is an option *IF* you must and there are no other options.
[14:51] <Fuchs> jzp113: once is sufficient :p
[14:51] <Fuchs> jzp113: you can search for channels with alis, see /msg alis help list. /msg alis list *searchterm* looks for channel names containing searchterm. /msg alis list * -topic *searchterm* looks for channel topics containing searchterm.
[14:51] <Giwrgaras> anyone with win 7 on a virtualbox?
[14:52] <Giwrgaras> i have trouble running microsoft office do you have any idea why that might be?
[14:52] <medamaybe> cfhowlett: what are the downsides of it? I'm assuming one of them is that it won't  auto-update anymore.
[14:52] <cfhowlett> Giwrgaras, in future, don't ask "anyone" questions.  regarding the office question, not all versions work.
[14:53] <k1l> Giwrgaras: for issues with ms office inside windows7 better ask the windows support
[14:53] <Giwrgaras> ok cfhowlett
[14:53] <ObrienDave> !anyone
[14:53] <cfhowlett> medamaybe, installing from source means no upgrade options offered.  I think the rule is compile  >> compile again to upgrade
[14:53] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, nope.  they killed that factoid.  for some reason.
[14:53] <ObrienDave> yea, i saw that. sheesh
[14:54] <Giwrgaras> cfhowlett:  is a bot?
[14:54] <ObrienDave> all the good ones
[14:54] <ObrienDave> Giwrgaras, ubottu is a bot
[14:54] <cfhowlett> Giwrgaras, no.  factoid.  available on command if one knows where to look.
[14:54] <medamaybe> Thank you.
[14:58] <neurosis-> what is the best size for swap
[14:58] <k1l> the size of ram
[14:58] <Fuchs> neurosis-: depends, on a mobile system (notebook) or another system where you want suspend to disk: 1.2 to 1.5 times the RAM size
[14:58] <cfhowlett> neurosis-, 1.5 - 2 x RAM seems to the be unwritten rule.
[14:58] <Fuchs> neurosis-: on other systems: about the size of the RAM, unless that is HUEG, then smaller amounts (4-8 GB) are sufficient
[14:58] <neurosis-> so if I have eight gigs of RAM I would want 18 gigs of swap
[14:59] <Fuchs> neurosis-: 18 gig of swap is madness
[14:59] <neurosis-> eight not 18 sorry
[14:59] <ioria> wow
[14:59] <Fuchs> having a bit more swap than memory helps for a suspend to disk
[14:59] <neurosis-> sorry I'm doing speech to text not working out so well lol
[14:59] <Fuchs> but aside from that, swap is so terribly slow that you don't want it, unless for emergencies
[14:59] <Fuchs> and there it just needs to be sufficiently big so you notice that your machine is swapping before OoM killer kicks in
[14:59] <mcphail> neurosis-: swap is barely necessary these days for most workloads, unless you want to hibernate the machine (rather than suspend or power off)
[15:00] <r00t3r> ls
[15:00] <r00t3r> :D
[15:00] <neurosis->  I would like to hibernate it
[15:00] <mcphail> neurosis-: then have at least as much as RAM. Prob 1.5 - 2x
[15:01] <ObrienDave> 10GB will be enough swap
[15:01] <ObrienDave> in your case
[15:01] <neurosis-> mcphail if I have eight gigs of RAM do I do eight gigs of swap
[15:01] <neurosis-> ObrienDave ok
[15:01] <mcphail> neurosis-: as a minimum. As ObrienDave says, 10G is reasonable
[15:01] <neurosis-> cool thank you all
[15:02] <ObrienDave> for hibernate, yes you need 1x - 1.2x RAM for swap
[15:02] <neurosis-> thank you
[15:03] <mcphail> neurosis-: remember, suspend to RAM is much quicker than hibernate to disk and a full boot is fairly quick as well. Hibernation doesn't offer many advantages and can be buggy at times
[15:04] <ObrienDave> but suspend does NOT turn off the machine. hibernate does
[15:04] <mcphail> neurosis-: a couple of years ago there was talk of hibernation support being deprecated and removed. I don't know if that is still the case
[15:05] <kostkon> mcphail: it is disabled by default in Ubuntu
[15:05] <neurosis-> I thought hibernate and suspend was the same thing I guess all I wanted to do is suspend
[15:05] <mcphail> kostkon: aah. Interesting
[15:06] <mcphail> neurosis-: you need hibernation if you need to avoid any power consumption
[15:06] <mcphail> neurosis-: if you only need suspend, there is no need for 10G od swap
[15:07] <neurosis-> ok
[15:07] <neurosis-> to be on the safe side I just do 10gs for the swap
[15:08] <neurosis-> I'm off to install thank you all
[15:11]  * mcphail prefers no swap at all on an 8G RAM machine
[15:17]  * iptable puts 4GB of swap on all machines 8GB RAM+. Disk space is cheap, I can afford 4GB and it means I can turn off a rogue RAM-eating process without actually having the machine die.
[15:17] <iptable> Plus it makes sense to move out stuff you don't use often from RAM to swap if you intend to run RAM-intensive apps
[15:34] <Voyage_> what is the licens of ubuntu and all linux apps? gpl?
[15:35] <mcphail> Voyage_: lots of different licences. Quite a lot is gpl
[15:36] <Voyage_> mcphail,  isnt there ONE license for ubuntu OS?
[15:36] <mcphail> Voyage_: no, of course not. ubuntu is made of thousands of packages
[15:37] <iptable> Voyage_, 100s of 1000s of people wrote software. then a company packaged different software to work together and made ubuntu
[15:37] <iptable> Voyage_, all those small packages carry their own licensing
[15:39] <geirha> No one seems to be able to agree on what "free" and "open" should mean :)
[15:39] <Voyage_> iptable,  how come ubuntu sell it / distribute it?
[15:39] <iptable> Voyage_, no one sells it
[15:39] <Voyage_> iptable,  how come ubuntu sell it / distribute it? if there are so many licences.  anyone of the apps might restrict ubuntu?
[15:39] <cfhowlett> iptable, strictly speaking, false.  there have been sales of ubuntu.
[15:39] <iptable> Voyage_, the packages that are used in ubuntu allow the company to package them and give themout like this
[15:39] <Voyage_> iptable,  oh. so ubuntu only gives support?
[15:40] <Voyage_> iptable,  ok
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, if a package restricts it, it doesn't come with ubuntu. we choose alternative
[15:40] <Voyage_> can anyone just copy debian or ubuntu os, make some customizations on top of it, sell it with its own license?
[15:40] <iptable> cfhowlett, well, removing corner cases
[15:40] <Francoo> \msg NickServ
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, sell no
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, distribute it - yes
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, you can sell support for it.
[15:41] <iptable> Voyage_, if you want to repackage something and sell it, check FreeBSD with BSD license. much more leaning
[15:41] <iptable> Voyage_, you can distribute repackaged ubuntu and have your own repositories for it and charge people to have access to the repos (like RedHat does)
[15:41]  * iptable goes shops
[15:41] <geirha> also gpl
[15:42] <Voyage_> iptable,  MIT and apache licensed apps can be suplicensed too like BSD?
[15:42] <Voyage_> iptable,  i see
[15:42] <iptable> Voyage_, I don't know. Read them, they state what you can and cannot do in them
[15:43] <Voyage_> iptable,  is there a linux distro with BSD license?
[15:43] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, freeBSD
[15:43] <Voyage_> ah
[15:43] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  fantastic example
[15:44] <ObrienDave> wow
[15:44] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  thats what mac did. built mac on top of freebsd and sell it
[15:44] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  iptable  no?
[15:44] <Fuchs> I guess that'd be rather hard to achieve, given a lot of Linux thingies being (L)GPLed, which doesn't mix terribly well with BSD licenses.
[15:44] <Voyage_> cfhowlett,  iptable  s/no/right??
[15:44] <mcphail> Nothing stops you selling GPL software.
[15:44] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, as i understand it, that's approximately correct but you might ask #OSX
[15:44] <Voyage_> mcphail,  ho///? you cant sell GPL. can you? GPL is opensource
[15:45] <iptable> Voyage_, freeBSD is not linux. it's a BSD. comes from same roots, more or less, as linux, but it's not linux. no linux kernel
[15:45] <Voyage_> iptable,  yes. I know
[15:45] <mcphail> Voyage_: read the GPL. Your comment is misinformed
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> guys, take this bsd/gpl discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[15:46] <Voyage_> mcphail,  http://choosealicense.com/licenses/
[15:46] <iptable> Voyage_, Apple did in fact put their own GUI and packaging system on BSD and call it their own (not like them, they invented it!), so it's BSD-based distro.
[15:46] <geirha> GPL requires that you provide the source code. It does not restrict you in taking money for it
[15:46] <Voyage_> mcphail,  gpl can not be sublicensed. you have to disclose source code too.
[15:46] <ObrienDave> !ot
[15:46] <iptable> Voyage_, but google for "Open SOurce LIcenses", you will get to open group website which lists them. read them to find out what they let you do with them
[15:46] <iptable> aight
[15:46] <Voyage_> iptable,  hm
[15:48] <ONeZetty> hi!
[15:48] <Voyage_> geirha,  I agree with you. mcphail , if you give your source code with same license as GPL, even you sell it, there is no point in selling it as anyone else can sell what you made too. and you cannot stop it. correct? 2. to my understanding, there is a way to sell it without giving code. sell it as SAAS on network but if its AGPL , you have to disclose source again for the A.
[15:49] <mcphail> Voyage_: as mentioned, this is offtopic for this channel
[15:49] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_  take this bsd/gpl discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[15:49] <Voyage_> mcphail,  lets talk in ubuntu-oftopic if you have information
[15:49] <iptable> Voyage_, I PMd you
[15:49] <Voyage_> geirha, ^
[15:51] <alumno1> gjuy
[15:54] <root____5> #crude
[16:07] <MSLinux> Hello Everyone!! :)
[16:08] <MonkeyDust> what's the correct syntax to specify a display, again? I forgot
[16:10] <MSLinux> ok guys I'm goin to install ubuntu 14.4.02 lts on my laptop and i wanted to know if switcable graphics is supported or not coz last time when i installed ubuntu i couldnt get my graphics to work
[16:10] <MSLinux> im a newbie with ubuntu and wanna learn linux so opted for ubuntu..
[16:10] <emilsp> MSLinux, what's the model of your discrete gpu ?
[16:11] <MSLinux> intel 3000 and mad 6770m
[16:11] <MSLinux> amd^
[16:11] <emilsp> myah, I've no experience with AMD, but nvidia sort of works, and since you'd be using free drivers for amd anyway, I guess it should work/work better than before
[16:12] <yossarianuk>  hi - is it possible to have multiple VPN connection in KDE using network-manager ?
[16:12] <yossarianuk> it seems to drop existing connection when I connect to the 2nd one....
[16:12] <yossarianuk> I can connect to multiple vpn connections using the cli just not network-manager
[16:12] <MSLinux> ok thank you emilsp
[16:12] <davevanloo> Hej all, does any one know were KDE/Plasmaś themes are stored so i can manually ad some to it?
[16:13] <MSLinux> should I install 14.4 lts or 14.10?
[16:13] <MSLinux> what is the difference?
[16:13] <chotaz`w> does Nautilus have a metapackage? I'm on ubuntuMATE and want to switch caja for nautilus for some integration with my dev tools, simply installing nautilus and switch the fm would do the trick? or am I missing something?
[16:13] <compdoc> I use 14.04 LTS
[16:13] <chotaz`w> !lts > MSLinux
[16:14] <compdoc> 14.10 will stop being supported soon
[16:14] <mcphail> MSLinux: 14.10 will be out of support very soon. I would advise you install the LTS or wait a few weeks for 15.04
[16:14] <ioria> MonkeyDust,  you mean export / import/set   DISPLAY=0.0
[16:14] <Voyage>  skype : Depends: skype-bin
[16:14] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:14] <chotaz`w> you either stick to a LTS version or keep upgrading to get proper and updated support :)
[16:15] <MSLinux> will i need to install drivers on ubuntu like how i do on windows?
[16:15] <Guest61417> ciao
[16:15] <chotaz`w> that raises me a question, do new features/improvements from non-LTS versions get added to the current LTS version?
[16:15] <MSLinux> sorry i m askin too  many questions i m jus gonaa strt off with ubuntu in sometime so just prepping up
[16:16] <mcphail> MSLinux: not necessarily. On some of my machines the free (bundled) drivers are better than the proprietary ones
[16:16] <Voyage> chotaz`w,  I had skype on ltc, now on 14.10 getting this issue
[16:16] <chotaz`w> Voyage, I'm running UbuntuMATE 15.04 at home and skype runs flawlessly. Wouldn't really be of much help
[16:17] <MSLinux> last question do i need to install firewall and antivirus like in windows?
[16:17] <Voyage> chotaz`w,  that is 15.x beta
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: no, not usually
[16:18] <MSLinux> Thank you mcphail
[16:18] <emilsp> MSLinux, you only install additional drivers if something doesn't work
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: enjoy
[16:18] <MSLinux> mcphail can I pm you?
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: no - I only chat in channel
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: sorry
[16:19] <MSLinux> ok no problem..
[16:19] <MSLinux> who can pm ere coz i have soo many questions about ubuntu before installing it
[16:20] <mcphail> MSLinux: this is the Ubuntu support channel. Why not ask here and anyone who knows can answer?
[16:20] <bazhang> !manual | MSLinux start here
[16:20] <mcphail> MSLinux: and, if it isn't a support question, there's #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <bazhang> !rute | MSLinux and here
[16:20] <MSLinux> coz i'm a pro windows user and i wanna switch to linux to learn linux like after installing windows there are things i need to setup iinorder for os to function correctly in ubuntu is there anythin i need to do or it works perfectly jus outta the box?
[16:21] <chotaz`w> Voyage, yes.
[16:21] <bazhang> please check the manual and the links I just gave you MSLinux
[16:21] <mcphail> MSLinux: it might work perfectly for you. You won't know until you try :)
[16:21] <MSLinux> awesome thank you soo much for all this info
[16:21] <ioria> MSLinux,  ubutu user manual, i recomend
[16:21] <MSLinux> really appreciate it
[16:21] <chotaz`w> MSLinux, Coursera.org has a great linux introduction course, check it out :) also ubuntu is a great place to start but you probably wont stop here :P
[16:22] <Voyage> anyone else knows how to run skype on 14.10?
[16:22] <Voyage>  skype : Depends: skype-bin
[16:22] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:22] <emilsp> MSLinux, you can't really forsee any problems if you don't have any prior linux experience on a particular set of hardware
[16:23] <MSLinux> !manual
[16:23] <mcphail> MSLinux: Ubuntu is very different to Windows so you might find a few problems or differences at first. Try to stick with it (and ask for help on here). In a while you'll get to understand things and will be anle to make a decision if it is right for you
[16:23] <Voyage> chotaz`w,  whats the name of 15.x?
[16:23] <bazhang> http://ubuntu-manual.org/  <--- MSLinux
[16:23] <bazhang> !vivid | Voyage
[16:24] <chotaz`w> LTS vs non-LTS Questions: Do new features and improvements from non-LTS versions get added to the current LTS version, or do you pay the price for the long term support?
[16:24] <Voyage> thanks
[16:24] <Voyage> no one with a skype solution?
[16:25] <mcphail> chotaz`w: generally, no. Features aren't backported. There are some exceptions.
[16:25] <Pici> chotaz`w: not sure if you're asking this or not... but, features aren't backported.
[16:25] <mcphail> chotaz`w: If you want the latest-and-greatest, LTS is not for you
[16:25] <dewdrop> Hi, is there a really good alternative that could match Notational Velocity/Nvalt apps of Mac? The ones that I checked like Nvalt jsut does not have the features of the Mac ones.
[16:25] <bazhang> Voyage, skype from the partner repos? where did you install it from, and what is the exact issue
[16:25] <chotaz`w> mcphail, Pici thanks for teaching me a new term and answering the question, I'm sticking to upgrading every 6 months then :)
[16:26] <LXLE> anybody have a script to disable screensaver everytime a video is playin??
[16:26] <chotaz`w> LXLE look for caffeine-plus
[16:26] <bazhang> dewdrop, what is nvalt, and what does it do
[16:26] <chotaz`w> LXLE it doesnt work for me on 15.04, but you can try for your version, people have reportedly gotten it to work on 14.04 and 14.10 although it never did for me.
[16:26] <Voyage> bazhang,
[16:26] <Voyage>  skype : Depends: skype-bin
[16:27] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:27] <bazhang> Voyage, you didnt answer any of my questions
[16:27] <Voyage> I had skype on ltc, now on 14.10 getting this issue
[16:27] <LXLE> chotaz'w so is that the only way, im tryin not to install anymore apps, im a revived laptop where storage is gettin low
[16:27] <dewdrop> bazhang: Sorry not Nvalt (thats for Mac), I meant NvPy, it is a simple note taking app, that stores tesxt in plain text files http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/09/nvpy-simplenote-linux-app-third-party
[16:27] <Voyage> bazhang,  yes, from partner
[16:27] <LXLE> i want the breathing room for personal files if possible
[16:27] <Voyage> bazhang,  followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[16:28] <bazhang> !info nvpy
[16:28] <bazhang> that one? dewdrop ^
[16:28] <MSLinux> Thank you giys for your help.. I'll me dropping by more often just downloaded 14.04.2 lts will install that and check it out! :)
[16:28] <dewdrop> bazhang:  yes
[16:29] <MSLinux> guys^
[16:29] <chotaz`w> LXLE, caffeine supposedly doesnt let the computer sleep when a fullscreen flash video is playing and it also lets you toggle the screensaver from the traybar, and its merely a few kbs
[16:29] <chotaz`w> LXLE, I don't know any alternatives, but if you find one let me know, as caffeine-plus is just not working for me at all.
[16:29] <LXLE> chotaz'w ok i will check it out, thx
[16:30] <kikero> Hey!
[16:30] <kikero> My nm-applet has disappeared from both of my xubuntu laptops some time ago, but I was okay with that as long as it knew to connect to the wifi network I had.
[16:30] <kikero> When I changed places, though, it stopped working. What could I do?
[16:31] <fishdealer> how do I change my resolution on display VGA1 using xrandr
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> fishdealer  arandr is a gui for xrandr
[16:32] <fishdealer> MonkeyDust, oh really going to install that.
[16:33] <MSLinux> Hi which course is availbe for ubuntu on Coursera.org?
[16:33] <MSLinux> i just checked it but cant find an ubuntu course
[16:34] <Voyage> Cannot install 'libqtwebkit4:i386'
[16:34] <fishdealer> MonkeyDust, just asking because xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 only works sometimes
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> MSLinux  maybe because it's not there, i'm sure there are other courses you can follow, or start with the !manual
[16:34] <MSLinux> searched for linux also dint find it
[16:36] <dewdrop> MSLinux: You may try searching youtube  Ubuntu tutorial for beginners
[16:36] <MSLinux> chotaz which course did you recommend me from Coursera.org?
[16:36] <MSLinux> ok dewdrop
[16:37] <MSLinux> i ll check it out thanks
[16:37] <chotaz`w> MSLinux, I remember doing a "Linux Introduction Course" there, don't know if it's persistently available like some other courses.
[16:37] <Kaby> hello guys on ubuntu 14.10 any software like virtual machine to add w system on it ?
[16:37] <Voyage> bazhang,  now I am having more issues
[16:37] <Voyage> The "wine" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:
[16:37] <Voyage> 	Depends: wine, but it is not installable
[16:37] <chotaz`w> !virtualbox | Kaby
[16:37] <dewdrop> MSLinux: Also "using uuntu" gives sshows nice beginner videos
[16:37] <fishdealer> how do I change the resolution to 1920x1080 with xrandr? arandr isn't helpful
[16:37] <Kaby> thanks
[16:37] <emilsp> Kaby, I'd recommend qemu/kvm with libvirt
[16:37] <Voyage> why skype and wine is not installable now as I just upgraded from 14.04 lts to 14.10
[16:37] <MSLinux> thank you chotaz..
[16:38] <MSLinux> thanks dew!! :)
[16:38] <Kaby> emilsp, can i find these in the download center ?
[16:38] <emilsp> you should be able to
[16:38] <Kaby> i found the launcher
[16:39]  * Voyage waits
[16:39] <Kaby> emilsp, can you help by giving me the full name of the software in download center ?
[16:41] <chotaz`w> Voyage, try this: sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install skype-bin skype
[16:42] <chotaz`w> Voyage, you seem to be having an underlying issue with packages, not just skype's or wine's, I wouldn't know what it is, but both packages just installed straight-forwardly for me
[16:42] <Kaby> and 1 more question if you cna help me , how to increase the storage of ubuntu? i gave it 40 gega but i want to increase the space , i have dual boot win 7 and ubuntu
[16:43] <Voyage> chotaz`w,  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:43] <Voyage>  skype-bin:i386 : Depends: libqtwebkit4:i386 (>= 2.2~2011week36) but it is not going to be installed
[16:43] <Voyage>                   Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[16:43] <Voyage>                   Recommends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[16:43] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:43] <emilsp> Kaby, in a second
[16:43] <Kaby> emilsp, sure tyt
[16:43] <epx998> is there something similiar to centos's spacewalk - for ubuntu?
[16:43] <emilsp> Kaby, just type in virt manager and the package Virtual Machine Mnager should come up
[16:45] <Kaby> emilsp, i found something called Aqemu
[16:46] <LXLE> chotaz'w it doesnt work, screensaver still runs =/
[16:48] <Voyage> anyone?
[16:49] <emilsp> Kaby, qemu is just the backend
[16:49] <chotaz`w> LXLE, what ubuntu version are you on? I get the exact same result, had to opt to completely turn the screensaver off when I wanted to watch a movie
[16:49] <LXLE> lxle 14.04
[16:50] <LXLE> chotaz'w lxle 14.04
[16:50] <emilsp> Kaby, and aqemu is rather old, Virt Manager should work better
[16:50] <trism> Voyage: pastebin the results of: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386; say no if it tries to remove anything
[16:50] <Kaby> oh ok
[16:50] <Voyage> trism,  ok
[16:52] <Voyage> trism,  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 (= 10.3.2-0ubuntu0.1) but it is not going to be installed   E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:54] <trism> Voyage: repeat the process with libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[16:54] <Voyage> k
[16:54] <Voyage> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 : Depends: libllvm3.5:i386 (>= 1:3.5~+rc3) but it is not going to be installed
[16:54] <Voyage> trism, ^
[16:56] <trism> Voyage: and with libllvm3.5:i386
[16:56] <Voyage> trism,  it ended to  libedit2:i386     and to install libedit2:i386 , it says it will download alot of packages.  0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 248 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:56] <Voyage> Need to get 72.5 kB of archives. After this operation, 872 MB disk space will be freed.
[16:56] <Voyage> y/n?
[16:56] <trism> Voyage: no
[16:56] <Voyage> hm
[16:56] <Voyage> what now then?
[16:56] <trism> Voyage: but pastebin apt-cache policy libedit2:i386
[16:57] <Voyage> trism,    Installed: (none) Candidate: 3.1-20140620-1 Version table:  3.1-20140620-1 0      500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic/main i386 Packages
[16:58] <karstenk> How can I check if a installed package is required?
[16:58] <trism> Voyage: this time actually use pastebin with the full results of trying to install libedit2:i386
[16:59] <trism> Voyage: cause that looks fine
[16:59] <trism> Voyage: but say no again
[16:59] <Voyage> trism,  http://pastebin.com/U2N4425s
[17:00] <trism> Voyage: no that was fine before it was everything, I mean: sudo apt-get install libedit2:i386; then say no but pastebin all the output
[17:00] <trism> Voyage: we need to figure out why it won't install it
[17:01] <Voyage> trism,  http://pastebin.com/4haUKefL
[17:01] <darius93> have anyone used ksplice on ubuntu 14.04?
[17:03] <trism> Voyage: actually: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes install libedit2:i386; it is going to be alot of output
[17:03] <trism> Voyage: actually no, do that with libllvm3.5:i386 instead
[17:03] <trism> Voyage: might be less output
[17:04] <Voyage> trism,  my console got ful http://pastebin.com/MTThYWeA
[17:05] <Voyage> paste is for sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes install libedit2:i386;
[17:06] <thor_> hello
[17:07] <Voyage> trism,  http://pastebin.com/h7bD6cap
[17:08] <trism> Voyage: what is apt-cache policy libllvm3.5:amd64 libedit2:amd64
[17:09] <Voyage> trism,  http://pastebin.com/vB3nntTi
[17:09] <Guest34131> hello
[17:10] <Guest34131> Oh yeah
[17:10] <trism> Voyage: there's the problem old package from some ppa or somewhere, try: sudo apt-get install libedit2:amd64/utopic;
[17:10] <trism> Voyage: don't do anything if it tries to do more than downgrade a single package
[17:11] <Guest34131> hello ochiottes
[17:11] <Voyage> trism,  it says The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:
[17:11] <Voyage>   libedit2
[17:11] <trism> Voyage: yeah that is fine
[17:11] <Voyage> done installing
[17:11] <Voyage> now what?
[17:11] <trism> Voyage: try skype again
[17:12] <Voyage> after an update?
[17:12] <trism> Voyage: if you want to update first that is fine
[17:12] <Voyage> it says After this operation, 130 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[17:12] <Voyage> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[17:12] <trism> Voyage: I would need to see more than that
[17:12] <Voyage> doing it after yes
[17:13] <Voyage> trism,  now,  thanks for all that long help.
[17:13] <trism> Voyage: so it installed?
[17:13] <Voyage> trism,  I wanted to ask that what might be the reasons of such issues