[00:06] <poolie> what to do today? reviews maybe?
[00:25] <AfC> poolie: go for a walk outside. It's sunny. Go figure.
[00:31] <poolie> it is a lovely day here
[00:31] <lifeless> its pea soup here
[00:32] <lifeless> couldn't see across the valley before
[00:32] <lifeless> couldn't see 20 meters even
[00:36]  * AfC → coffee
[01:45] <poolie> hi spiv?
[01:46] <spiv> poolie: good morning
[01:47] <spiv> james_w: thanks for releasing bzr-builder 0.4 with the nest-part instruction!
[01:47] <james_w> spiv: thanks for writing it!
[01:48] <poolie> spiv, what do you think about merging https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/224373-2.2-ftp-response/+merge/32731 into 2.2 vs trunk?
[01:48] <poolie> perhaps just trunk is better
[01:48] <spiv> I wonder how long before Launchpad has the new bzr-builder.
[01:49] <james_w> probably not this week
[01:51] <spiv> poolie: Hmm, the risk seems pretty smal
[01:54] <spiv> poolie: especially given that e.g. http://cr.yp.to/ftp/stor.html says "A typical server accepts MKD with code 250 if the directory was successfully created"
[01:56] <spiv> poolie: so I'd be comfortable with landing that in any/all stable series (after fixing to invoke _setmode for the 250 case, I guess, but even without that it seems to be strictly an improvement)
[01:57] <poolie> ok
[02:40] <fullermd> So, what's up with bzrtools?
[02:41] <poolie> you tell me,

[02:41] <poolie> does trunk pass or fail with 2.2?
[02:41] <fullermd> What 2.2?
[02:41] <poolie> does it just need to be packaged?
[02:41] <fullermd> Latest version is 2.1.0
[02:41] <poolie> and does that work with bzr 2.2?
[02:41] <fullermd> I dunno.  'bout the only thing I use is multi-pull, and it seems fine.
[02:42] <fullermd> (trunk, that is.  2.1 bleats at least, no idea about working)
[02:43] <poolie> complains about being possibly out of date?
[02:44] <fullermd> Yah.  Only when you run a bzrtools command at least, so I haven't bothered trying to patch it away in the port build.
[02:44] <fullermd> It doesn't strike me that the API has moved all that far, so I'd offhand WAG it _works_ OK.  But still.
[02:54] <poolie> it probably will
[02:55] <poolie> mkanat: hi?
[02:55] <mkanat> poolie: Hey hey.
[02:55] <poolie> hey there
[02:55] <poolie> spm had an interesting loggerhead bug for you to work on
[02:55] <poolie> i can't remember if i gave you the number last week
[02:56] <mkanat> poolie: No, I don't think you did.
[02:56]  * poolie looks
[02:59] <poolie> spm: hi?
[02:59] <poolie> mkanat: bug 617249
[03:02] <mkanat> I'm almost sure it's going to boil down to some scalability problem, but can't know until I investigate.
[03:02] <mkanat> One CPU on one machine is never going to scale to Launchpad size.
[03:02] <poolie> could you investigate? :)
[03:03] <mkanat> poolie: I can, and I just asked for the data I need, in the bug.
[03:03] <poolie> ok
[03:03] <poolie> right it seems very likely to me that we want multiple processes, both for stability and robustness
[03:03]  * mkanat nods.
[03:12] <mwhudson> +1
[03:21] <fullermd> Oh, perforce.  Thank you so much for making fundamental design decisions that make it completely impractical to offer anonymous access...
[03:32] <spiv> poolie: could I get a quick review of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~spiv/bzr/merge-2.1-into-2.2/revision/5078?  It's related to your symlink fixes.  Without that fix a merge of 2.1 into 2.2 fails (because 2.2's wt.iter_changes calls self.conflicts calls self.list_files, which is the method that patch changes)
[03:34] <spiv> I think it would be valid to backport that to 2.1 and 2.0, but I'm not sure that it affects people much.  Maybe a 'bzr ls' would trigger it?
[04:29] <poolie> hi spiv
[04:33] <poolie> spiv, that seems reasonable to me
[04:33] <poolie> biab, rebooting
[08:19] <vila> hi all !
[08:21] <lifeless>   hi vila
[08:24] <poolie> hi vila, welcome back!
[08:26] <vila> poolie, lifeless : Thanks !
[08:27] <vila> hmm, babune almost all red expect for gentoo and lucid, quite expected though :)
[08:33] <poolie> mm
[08:33] <poolie> even maverick and other ubuntu releases?
[08:35] <vila> I haven't setup a maverick slave yet, but other releases are red yes, I'm checking why
[08:35] <poolie> vila, i wouldn't want you to spend a huge amount of time getting it green again
[08:35] <poolie> it's kinda good but i'm not convinced it's been a really good value for us
[08:37] <poolie> i'm not quite sure where the cutoff would be
[08:37] <vila> :)
[08:38] <vila> Looks like transient failures. Let's see how it goes tomorrow before worrying about it
[08:38] <poolie> k
[12:01] <jml> I'd like to make a working tree that has another branch (tree?) merged into it, in order to test a script I'm writing. How would I do that most easily using bzrlib?
[12:02] <maxb> Wouldn't it be trivial to do it via the command line?
[12:03] <jelmer> jml: tree.merge_from_branch(other_tree.branch)
[12:04] <jml> maxb, yes, but I'm not spawning a process for this.
[12:04] <jml> jelmer, thanks.
[12:13] <jml> is there a similarly convenient way to clone a branch?
[12:14] <jml> branch.bzrdir.sprout, it seems
[12:15] <jelmer> yup
[13:38] <weigon> hmm, a bzr pull or a
[13:38] <weigon> hmm, a bzr pull on a stacked-branch doesn't update the workingtree ?
[13:39] <weigon> I really have to run bzr update to update the working dir ?
[13:41] <weigon> I created the branch with:
[13:41] <weigon> src_b.bzrdir.sprout(dst_branch, stacked=True).open_branch()
[13:41] <weigon> where src_b is a branch.Branch.open(src_branch_url)
[13:48] <jelmer> weigon, only if the workingtree is colocated
[13:48] <jelmer> weigon: you're doing a "bzr pull" as command, or using the API?
[14:00] <weigon> jelmer: using the bzrlib
[14:01] <jelmer> weigon: in that case, call pull() on workingtree, not branch
[14:01] <weigon> ah, thx
[14:01] <weigon> jelmer: *doh* makes sense :)
[15:56] <RobOakes> Is anyone aware of a step-by-step tutorial for bzr builddeb?  I've configured things as explained here (http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/), but I'm just getting an error.
[15:56] <RobOakes> Error: Must supply file_id or path.
[15:56] <james_w> RobOakes: from what command?
[15:56] <RobOakes> I have no idea what file_id or path it's referring to, though.  (Running in merge mode).
[15:56] <RobOakes> bzr builddeb
[15:57] <james_w> RobOakes: please run again with -Derror and pastebin the traceback
[15:58] <RobOakes> james_w: Here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/uD1xnc6V
[15:59] <james_w> RobOakes: please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb
[15:59] <james_w> RobOakes: what does an ls of your bzr branch look like? Is it "changelog control copyright rules" etc?
[16:01] <RobOakes> It just shows the debian packaging files (control, copyright, ...)  Unfortunately, the project is complicated, so there are a lot files.
[16:02] <james_w> RobOakes: and you have a debian/ directory there too?
[16:02] <RobOakes> No, just a symlink to the debian directory.  The article I was reading suggested this as a workaround for some packaging systems.
[16:03] <RobOakes> Should say symlink to the current directory.
[16:03] <RobOakes> And, removing the symlink fixed the problem.
[16:04] <james_w> RobOakes: "bzr add" of the symlink should work too
[16:05] <RobOakes> Okay, that's good to know.
[16:05] <RobOakes> Thank you very much for the help.
[16:06] <james_w> RobOakes: please file that bug, as it shouldn't crash in that situation
[16:06] <RobOakes> I am doing that right now.
[16:07] <james_w> thanks
[20:07] <dash> i have a bzr branch that originally used loom; it's at lp:~washort/+junk/modules
[20:08] <dash> i can't find a way to unloomify it for consumption by people without the plugin
[20:08] <dash> export-loom doesn't do anything
[20:08] <dash> is there something i'm missing?
[20:16] <jam> dash: did you ever run 'bzr record' ? That might be necessary before 'bzr export-loom' works. (I'm just guessing, though)
[20:16] <dash> jam: well it gets worse, this is branched from somebody else's loom branch
[20:16] <dash> on which 'bzr record' was never run
[20:17] <dash> i guess i could go ahead and do it, that might make a difference
[20:17] <jam> dash: bzr init new-branch; cd new-branch; bzr pull my-loom-branch ?
[20:17] <dash> worth a shot
[20:21] <quotemstr1> How do you set a branch's parent branch?
[20:21] <james_w> quotemstr1: "bzr pull --remember" I think
[20:22] <quotemstr1> Ah, okay. I was trying to find some git-like configuration entry.
[20:22] <quotemstr1> Works; thanks.
[20:23] <GaryvdM> quotemstr1: It's not really recommended, but I often just edit .bzr/branch/branch.conf
[20:23] <quotemstr1> That was my backup plan.
[20:34] <jelmer> GaryvdM: hi
[20:34] <jelmer> GaryvdM: did you see my bug report earlier about test failures in the qbzr testsuite?
[20:34] <GaryvdM> Hi jelmer
[20:36] <GaryvdM> jelmer: Yes. I have landed a fix that fixes the bug on new versions of qt, but breaks old versions of qt (<=4.4)
[20:36] <jelmer> oh
[20:36] <jelmer> well, that should take care of it for me I guess...
[20:37] <GaryvdM> And then I discovered that the test is missing a whole bunch of things that It should be testing....
[20:37] <GaryvdM> So I still need to put some effort in to it.
[20:37] <GaryvdM> Thanks for the report
[20:42] <jelmer> np :-)
[20:42] <jelmer> I'm trying to get 'bzr selftest' to pass on my local machine and that's harder than it should be ...
[23:15] <poolie> jelmer: urk, what kind of thing is failing? plugins or core?
[23:17] <jelmer> poolie: various plugins
[23:17] <jelmer> mainly adapting tests that have never been tried against particular plugin classes
[23:19] <jelmer> poolie: the recent control dir work I did was inspired by this
[23:19] <poolie> maybe we can get vila to run some of these plugins in babune, when they're close to being green, and then keep them cleaner
[23:19] <lifeless> jelmer: thank you for doing this
[23:20] <lifeless> jelmer: Its what I've been dreaming of :)
[23:29] <jelmer> lifeless, glad to hear it :-)


[04:11] <wxl> squee! finally unning lubuntu on my powebook
[04:12] <wxl> as you can see my R key is messed up
[04:12] <wxl> powerbook's fault
[04:13] <wxl> something is messed up tho
[04:15] <wxl> unfortunately it's with the meta package too
[09:38] <otacon> Quick question, does Lubuntu support system sound schemes?
[12:25] <crshbndct> hey everyone
[12:25] <bioterror> hi
[12:25] <crshbndct> does anyone know how to run mplayer without video output? i.e. play a video file but only play the audio from it??
[12:26] <crshbndct> i tried using -vo:null (lol) but that didnt work
[12:26] <bioterror> you want to rip the Audio or you just want the audio?
[12:27] <crshbndct> no i want to just play the audio
[12:27] <crshbndct> i figured it will be something like mplayer -vo:null /<path to filename>
[12:28] <bioterror> just a moment
[12:28] <bioterror> I'll investigate a little
[12:28] <crshbndct> thanks :)
[12:29] <crshbndct> i tried reading the man page, but i was beaten
[12:29] <bioterror> I cannot judge anyone for not understanding the man pages
[12:29] <bioterror> just a moment, I'll move to desktop computer, I have mplayer there
[12:31] <crshbndct> i love using mplayer instead of gui media players. but all my 1080p youtube downloaded music videos tend to to pop up and take over my desktop.. would love to just say play them all with no video output .. thanks for the help
[12:32] <bioterror> you got it almost right
[12:32] <bioterror> mplayer -vo null path/to/video.avi
[12:34] <crshbndct> lol so close.. ok i will go try it
[12:34] <crshbndct> OUTSTANDING!!! thanks :)
[12:34] <bioterror> np ;)
[12:35] <crshbndct> now my 50gb music collection (100 songs) will be may easier to use
[12:36] <bioterror> you could take the audio from them
[12:36] <bioterror> and ditch the video
[12:37] <crshbndct> nah i like having the video there too.. great for parties.. i have plenty of space on my hdd's
[12:54] <crshbndct> well mighty impressed with lubuntu so far.. i am a chronic distro hopper, but i dont even need to run my "make linux work on modern hardware" fix with it, which is f***ing rare
[15:06] <leszek> hi
[17:46] <leszek> re
[17:55] <silverarrow> hi
[17:56] <silverarrow> I have burned 11.10
[17:56] <silverarrow> daily
[19:19] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha oukou
[19:30] <MrChrisDruif> Hi guys and girls, I can't seem to get flash working in Lubuntu 11.10
[19:32] <MrChrisDruif> I can't see who's active in Pidgin, but I hope some knowledgeable people will response
[19:38] <draioch> installed lubuntu on machine with integrated intel sound chip, no sound would love to know to find out name of integrated chip and sudo get command how to install it or would alsa work thx
[19:43] <silverarrow> you could open alsamixer and see what it says ?
[19:43] <draioch> k ill try that thx
[19:44] <MrChrisDruif> The apt install from the website of adobe only opens an other chromium window ( xdg-open apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner )
[19:45] <silverarrow> it should be listed under pci devices in system profiler
[19:45] <silverarrow> draioch,
[19:45] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Do you have flashplugin-installer installed?
[19:45] <draioch> o/ silverarrow thx
[19:46] <draioch> was actually looking up to check if alsa installed
[19:46] <silverarrow> in alsamixer you should be able to load different drivers, and check if everything is on
[19:46] <silverarrow> itis
[19:46] <silverarrow> opens in terminal
[19:47] <draioch> yea remember that thx
[19:47] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: yeah, it's installed
[19:50] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Trying in Chromium and you have restarted the browser?
[19:51] <draioch> silverarrow running asla now and playing video file nuting show in alsa level meters or analouge output card is showing as Intel ICH6 with AD1981B at irq 23
[19:51] <draioch> thx
[19:52] <silverarrow> you got sound?
[19:53] <silverarrow> it should be listed under menu-sytem tools- profiler/benchmark -pci dvices too
[19:53] <silverarrow> but really alsamixer is the only place where you can do something
[19:54] <silverarrow> draioch, you have manage to set all relevant parameters on full?
[19:54] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: it keeps saying that I need to upgrade my flash player
[19:55] <Unit193> What page would this be?
[19:55] <draioch> yea was just looking at that never used alsa before so ill play around for a while and big big thx for the help
[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> Just a regular youtube page
[19:56] <silverarrow> draioch, it is pretty simple: mostly the arrows are used, and on some parameters tab
[19:57] <draioch> yea thx MM must be mute and 00 on channel
[19:57] <silverarrow> it is a bit fickely but you get it right away
[19:57] <silverarrow> yes
[19:57] <silverarrow> and arrow up and down to regulate
[19:57] <draioch> ;)
[19:58] <silverarrow> tab can work as enter on some
[19:58] <draioch> \o/ silverarrow
[19:58] <draioch> channel were muted and levels set to 0
[19:58] <silverarrow> the 3D parameter can be crucial; really cracly sound if it is wrong
[19:58] <silverarrow> crackly
[19:59] <silverarrow> *
[19:59] <draioch> yea im big into sound but mostly hardware not PCs but getting there thx to yourself
[19:59] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Installing it on my Oneiric now
[20:01] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: the link I press on the youtube page to upgrade my flashplayer, it goes to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ followed by questions that lead to an apt link (which opens an other chromium window instead of Synaptic or LSC)
[20:02] <Unit193> What's   apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer  give you?  What about   dpkg -l |grep flash    ?
[20:05] <MrChrisDruif> What should the first one give?
[20:06] <MrChrisDruif> Second gives: ii  flashplugin-downloader                 <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5                      Adobe Flash Player plugin downloader, ii  flashplugin-installer                  <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5                      Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5, Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5, Version table:  *** <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5 0, 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/multiverse i386 Packages, 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> That gives the first command
[20:12] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Can you run updates? I got a newer version when I just now installed it
[20:13] <silverarrow> has anyone installed one of the latest daily versions of 11.10?
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> I don't have a newer version available
[20:15] <MrChrisDruif> silverarrow: No, beta 2
[20:16] <silverarrow> is it safer or better?
[20:16] <silverarrow> I just burned the daily
[20:16] <silverarrow> and have no more empty cds, so I shall have to stick with it until monday
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> Don't know, my first steps in Oneiric as well...
[20:16] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: I just checked that mirror and the main, that seems to be out of date
[20:17] <MrChrisDruif> I have added the lubuntu-desktop ppa if that helps at all?
[20:18] <Unit193> It wouldn't have anything to do with flash though
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> I would think the same
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> Should I try this ppa? ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> From this page I've found: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/adobe-flash-11-released-ready-download/
[20:21] <Unit193> Open this one http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
[20:24] <MrChrisDruif> I can't seem to see what you mean?
[20:25] <Unit193> Do you see the box as talked about here "If Flash Player is installed on your computer, the following box displays the version of Flash Player installed along with the operating system:" ?
[20:25] <silverarrow> can you send documents stored in lubuntu ext4 to a ntfs external hdd?
[20:27] <MrChrisDruif> No, it says "Get Adobe Flash Player"
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/839/cpsid_83950.html <= this page also didn't help
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> Bottom section
[20:35] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Do you have it in /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so ?
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> Folder is present, the .so isn't
[20:37] <Unit193> Ah, there you go.   sudo updatedb; locate flash |grep .so     and tell me where it's located?
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> /home/chris/.cache/.fr-8LEuZy/libflashplayer.so, /home/chris/.local/share/Trash/files/libflashplayer.2.so, /home/chris/.local/share/Trash/files/libflashplayer.so, /home/chris/.local/share/Trash/files/usr/lib/kde4/kcm_adobe_flash_player.so, /home/chris/.local/share/Trash/files/usr.2/lib/kde4/kcm_adobe_flash_player.so, /home/chris/.local/share/Trash/info/libflashplayer.2.so.trashinfo, /home/chris/.local/share/Trash/info/libflashplayer.so.trashin
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> So except some trashed ones from trying to download it manually only one in ~/.cache/.fr-8LEuZy/
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> /home/chris/.cache/.fr-8LEuZy/libflashplayer.so, /usr/lib/libvisual-0.4/morph/morph_flash.so
[20:43] <Unit193> If I were you, I would switch mirrors as that's an older version
[20:44] <MrChrisDruif> How do I switch mirrors? =S
[20:45] <Unit193> !repomirror
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> First two steps are changed btw
[20:47] <Unit193> Yeah, that's for Ubuntu :P  Open Synaptic
[20:48] <MrChrisDruif> "Menu", "Preferences", and "Software Sources" works in Lubuntu
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> That "select best server" is nowhere to be found
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Found it
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> They've changed it a lot
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> I've done that, still no change
[20:53] <Unit193> Did you reload package list? Purge and reinstall after you reload
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> A lot of "Ign" with the update do
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> purge?
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> I've done "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y"
[20:55] <Unit193> Didn't pull it up? sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-downloader flashplugin-installer && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> "The Flash plugin is NOT installed."
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> http://paste.ubuntu.com/704608/
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> I would love some Mac-ness right now (being famed for "just working")
[21:02] <Unit193> Did you install downloader?
[21:02] <Unit193> And yes, that would be handy ;)  (To be fair, I haven't had a problem like this :P )
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Install downloader?
[21:04] <MrChrisDruif> I've just burned the disk and expected it to work. Got some errors bytheway about the disk ect, but don't know what's has or hasn't been reported
[21:05] <Unit193> Here is a few https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO#ISO_Testing_Bugs
[21:05] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: this link also doesn't work from Adobe, but I mentioned that before: xdg-open apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner
[21:05] <KM0201> does anyone know of a upnp video player for ubuntu?
[21:05] <MrChrisDruif> KM0201: vlc?
[21:05] <KM0201> MrChrisDruif: for some reason, its not working like i thought it would.
[21:05] <MrChrisDruif> I've never tried to make upnp work
[21:06] <KM0201> MrChrisDruif: i can log in to mediatomb, finda movie, copy the URL, and paste it into VLC, and it plays fine
[21:06] <KM0201> but i'd like it to be able to show me what is available (kinda like rythmbox does for music)
[21:06] <KM0201> i've googled this like crazy w/ no luck
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> (Never had a setup to test upnp in the first place)
[21:06] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Could always take a look at this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: That APT for 9.04+ doesn't open ANY software manager, just an other chromium window
[21:08] <KM0201> dpkg?
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Differences between Gnome and LXDE, because I've found similar tutorials online. Most of which were related to 11.10 even because I searched for that
[21:10] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Alright, I'll now point  you to #ubuntu+1
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> And if I'd download the tar.gz and move the .so to the before mentioned folder manually?
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> They'll also have their hands in their hair because it's for LXDE instead of GNOME
[21:13] <Unit193> I don't know what to tell you, worked fine first try, but it's causing all sorts of weird things for you
[21:13] <MrChrisDruif> FML
[21:13] <MrChrisDruif> I'll just try that =)
[21:21] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: solved
[21:21] <Unit193> Figures....
[21:22] <Unit193> What'd I miss?
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: when I first searched for "adobe" in synaptic I didn't find "adobe-flashplugin" nor "adobe-flash-properties-gtk", now I did find the latter, which also installed the first and removed flashplugin-installer
[21:28] <silverarrow> is the launch next week? for 11.10?
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, 13th
[21:29] <silverarrow> cool
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off to install the Beta 2 at home aswell
[21:32] <MrChrisDruif> (This was a laptop from my parents =P )
[22:24] <haemogoblin> hey there
[22:25] <haemogoblin> i'm seeking help with my Lubuntu install
[22:25] <haemogoblin> :)
[22:25] <haemogoblin> if anyone has a spare moment
[22:32] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: sup
[22:35] <haemogoblin>  there
[22:35] <haemogoblin> hi even
[22:35] <haemogoblin> :)
[22:35] <haemogoblin> i've just installed Lubuntu on a intel core duo 1.66 mini ITX board
[22:35] <haemogoblin> i can't seem the get cpufreq to work
[22:36] <haemogoblin> my linux knowledge isn't good enough to solve the problem, so thought i'd come on here and ask an expert :)
[22:37] <stlsaint> cpufreq? what do you mean?
[22:37] <haemogoblin> I'm after some sort of cpu throttle
[22:38] <haemogoblin> so i can put the CPU to ondemand ect
[22:38] <haemogoblin> like i have in ubuntu
[22:38] <stlsaint> the two should work the same? what seems to be the issue
[22:39] <haemogoblin> if i try to add the CPUfreq plugin for the system tray
[22:39] <haemogoblin> it says frequency 0 mhz
[22:40] <haemogoblin> governor: nill
[22:40] <haemogoblin> null - sorry
[22:40] <haemogoblin> The plugin is called CPUfreq frontend
[22:40] <stlsaint> aye
[22:41] <stlsaint> have you installed cpufreqd?
[22:41] <haemogoblin> one sec, i think so..but i'll check..i've been fiddling for over an hour trying various things :)
[22:42] <haemogoblin>  ah right it was on, but i was trying powernowd
[22:42] <haemogoblin> just reinstalling
[22:43] <haemogoblin>  i have had it installed, but wasn't having any success
[22:43] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: what does: sudo powernowd
[22:44] <stlsaint> give you
[22:44] <haemogoblin> basically i'm just wanting a means to throttle back my CPU fan as it's going full speed and it's really noisy
[22:44] <haemogoblin> well synaptic package manager has just removed it and installed cpufreqd, so dont think i'll get anything
[22:44] <stlsaint> aye ok
[22:45] <stlsaint> well if your fan is runnign high that means your processors are running hot. what resource intensive process do you have running?
[22:45] <haemogoblin> yep, tried it and unknown command
[22:45] <haemogoblin> nothing..
[22:45] <haemogoblin> it's been running full blast since boot up
[22:45] <stlsaint> well thats a bigger problem than just setting your processors
[22:46] <stlsaint> are your cpu's hot?
[22:46] <stlsaint> and is your system on carpet or a blanket?
[22:46] <haemogoblin> 40c
[22:47] <haemogoblin> according to the sysinfo/sensors
[22:49] <haemogoblin> the one thing that does work, is the cpu monitor and that's not really spiking
[22:50] <haemogoblin> 25% - i have a youtube movie running
[22:50] <stlsaint> ok so you want to set the cpufreq lower manually?
[22:51] <stlsaint> better yet here have a look here for better learning:
[22:51] <stlsaint> http://embraceubuntu.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[22:53] <haemogoblin> problem
[22:53] <haemogoblin> I use the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor on my panel to see the speed of my CPU.
[22:54] <haemogoblin> i dont even have this
[22:54] <haemogoblin> hence why i am here
[22:54] <haemogoblin> :/
[22:55] <haemogoblin> As i said, it says frequency 0mhz
[22:56] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: aye, right. ok so right clicking and selecting the cpufreq frontend gives you no applet?
[22:56] <haemogoblin> no
[22:57] <haemogoblin> just the normal taskbar menu, add/remove panel, ect
[22:59] <haemogoblin> i'm no expert with the terminal but i believe this might be a problem
[22:59] <haemogoblin>  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[22:59] <haemogoblin> apparently this doesn't exist
[22:59] <haemogoblin> :/
[23:00] <stlsaint> its under: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq
[23:01] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: actually look under /sys/devices/system/cpu
[23:01] <haemogoblin> its an empty folder
[23:01] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: oh dear
[23:02] <haemogoblin> whats that mean?
[23:02] <haemogoblin> :/
[23:02] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: what release are you running?
[23:02] <haemogoblin> it's the lubuntu-alternative iso
[23:03] <stlsaint> i mean 11.04...10.04 or....
[23:03] <haemogoblin> 10.10
[23:04] <haemogoblin> system summery has be a bit confused as it boots with the lubuntu splash screen but system summery says ubuntu 10.10..i know it's based on ubuntu..
[23:06] <stlsaint> in terminal run: cat /etc/issue
[23:07] <haemogoblin> ok
[23:07] <stlsaint> what does it show
[23:07] <haemogoblin> no such file or directory
[23:07] <stlsaint> O_O
[23:08] <stlsaint> you sure you ran it just like that:
[23:08] <stlsaint> cat /etc/issue
[23:08] <haemogoblin> sorry
[23:08] <haemogoblin> typo
[23:08] <haemogoblin> lol
[23:08] <haemogoblin> Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l
[23:09] <stlsaint> ok im on 11.04 but i dont think there is much difference in the two, i would have to say possibly you need to reconfigure lxdm
[23:11] <haemogoblin> how do i do that?
[23:11] <stlsaint> one sec please
[23:12] <haemogoblin> np :)
[23:17] <stlsaint> haemogoblin: seems that the conventional dpkg-reconfigure lxdm does nothing really
[23:19] <haemogoblin> i just tried that and apparently i need to be as root
[23:19] <stlsaint> yea you gotta put sudo in the beginning
[23:20] <haemogoblin> hmm that didn't do anything lol
[23:20] <stlsaint> yea
[23:21] <haemogoblin> so is it lubuntu?
[23:21] <stlsaint> i highly suggest putting your issue on the lubuntu mailing list
[23:21] <haemogoblin> ok
[23:21] <stlsaint> many more eyes will see it including the lubuntu developers
[23:21] <haemogoblin> where do i find that?
[23:21] <haemogoblin> thanks
[23:21] <haemogoblin> :D
[23:22] <haemogoblin> If all else fails i can see ubuntu going on..but i was limited with hd space
[23:22] <haemogoblin> i'm using a 4gb microdrive
[23:22] <stlsaint> yea lubuntu will be your best bet over ubuntu in your case
[23:22] <stlsaint><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:22] <stlsaint> send email there
[23:23] <haemogoblin> Cheers
[23:24] <haemogoblin> how will i know if i get a reply?
[23:24] <haemogoblin> will i be contacted directly?
[23:24] <stlsaint> no, in the email ask personnel to CC you since you are not subscribed to the list
[23:24] <stlsaint> if something comes and i see you were not cc'ed on it i will shoot it your way
[23:25] <haemogoblin> thanks
[23:26] <haemogoblin> ive since i used that powernowd, my keyboard has been acting laggy
[23:26] <haemogoblin> asked me if i wanted to enable a power saving option on the usb and it's actually become a pain
[23:27] <haemogoblin> as i dont know how to undo what it's done.
[23:30] <stlsaint> remove what you installed and put powernod back on
[23:33] <haemogoblin> right
[23:33] <haemogoblin> email sent :)
[23:37] <stlsaint> probably needs to be moderated before it hits


[05:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:58] <DanChapman> good morning
[07:55] <jibel> Good morning
[08:04] <DanChapman> morning jibel
[08:05] <elfy> morning jibel DanChapman
[08:09] <jibel> morning elfy, DanChapman
[08:10] <pitti> jibel: I set up debci in a container and played around with it (and sent my first three patches to Antonio)
[08:10] <pitti> jibel: it'll need quite some changes to work in an asynchronous and decentralized way, but it's still fairly small and easy
[08:11] <pitti> jibel: and I have some initial ideas about it; I asked Antonio about hanging out next week
[09:50] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:10] <disc0tech>  /join #ubuntu-autopilot
[13:10] <disc0tech> oops..
[14:25] <rbasak> pitti: nice work with getting adt-virt-lxc working for Debian? I'm just using this functionality for the first time today and I appreciate it.
[14:25] <pitti> rbasak: heh, glad you like it (or is the question mark an actual question?)
[14:26] <rbasak> pitti: with adt-virt-lxc, should I be able to see stderr (with allow-stderr restriction) in realtime? I have a really long test running.
[14:26] <rbasak> pitti: oops. That should have been: nice work with getting adt-virt-lxc working for Debian!
[14:26] <rbasak> :)
[14:26] <pitti> rbasak: yes, you should
[14:26] <rbasak> I might not be running my intended test then. Thanks.
[14:26] <pitti> rbasak: the only thing it doesn't work with ATM is adt-virt-qemu
[14:27] <pitti> as you can't use the standard approach of using a FIFO for that
[14:27] <rbasak> pitti: I'm trying to run a modified test with the package from teh archive
[14:27] <pitti> I need to invent something custom for that, like allocating two more TTYs
[14:27] <rbasak> pitti: so I did -B .// but that didn't work.
[14:27] <rbasak> (no built tree needed)
[15:32] <rbasak> pitti: fyi, I ended up having to run my thing wrapped with stdbuf -o0 -e0. That gives me streaming all the way through. I guess it's because it's now connected to a pipe rather than the terminal directly or something?
[15:32] <pitti> rbasak: ah, you piped adt-run's output through less?
[15:33] <rbasak> pitti: nope. Running adt-run directly from the terminal (connected through interactive ssh)
[15:33] <pitti> hm, that usually works fine for me
[15:34] <rbasak> It might be something to do with the way the test itself.
[15:34] <rbasak> I wonder if it's actually stdout and not stderr.
[15:34] <rbasak> I'll need to let it finish for adt-run to tell me (~1 hour)
[15:34] <rbasak> Oh and I didn't log it, so I may not :-/
[15:34] <pitti> adt-run -B ~/ubuntu/tmp/testpkg// --- lxc -es adt-trusty
[15:34] <pitti> I call it like that
[15:34]  * rbasak runs it again against annotate-output
[15:34] <pitti> and that testpkg does
[15:34] <pitti> echo hello from test
[15:34] <pitti> sleep 1
[15:35] <pitti> echo 'one'
[15:35] <pitti> sleep 3
[15:35] <pitti> echo 'three'
[15:35] <pitti> sleep 3
[15:35] <pitti> echo 'done'
[15:35] <pitti> and I see each line
[15:35] <pitti> rbasak: yes, piping stdout from python programs is.. oodd
[15:35] <pitti> odd
[15:35] <pitti> I did that not too long ago in ofono-phonesim I think, hang on
[15:35] <pitti> export PYTHONUNBUFFERED=x
[15:35] <pitti> stdbuf -o 0 /usr/share/ofono/scripts/receive-sms > "$LOG" &
[15:36] <pitti> rbasak: ^ with these two, live logging from stdout into a pipe or log file works for me
[15:36] <pitti> rbasak: without the $PYTHONUNBUFFERED bit, it woudl remain completely empty
[15:36] <pitti> (I guess it gets flushed only every now and then)
[15:37] <pitti> rbasak: I tried above adt-run with .. | less, still WFM
[15:52] <balloons> xnox, so we have a good build for nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel, can you help on tweaking the cmake file to incorporate it? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-armhf-build/+merge/211621
[15:52] <xnox> balloons: excellent, sure!
[15:53] <balloons> with that, the merge can land.. and we can get a build for fm pushed to the store :-)
[19:08] <elfy> balloons: going to be looking at this for our testcases - don't know if you want it done generically - bug 1295447
[19:09] <elfy> it can make a difference for us to know - not sure about anyone else though
[19:09] <balloons> elfy, mm.. the age old question
[19:09] <elfy> :)
[19:09] <balloons> in theory the hw field is for this. Certainly if you report a bug you should mention what you used
[19:10] <balloons> would you want to tweak the bug reporting info to make extra mention of this or ??
[19:10] <elfy> yea - but you know what humans are like ...
[19:11] <elfy> balloons: the "See this page on reporting bugs for help. Not sure which package to file against? See Finding the right package."
[19:11] <elfy> that bit?
[19:11] <balloons> yea, it's our first line of defense :_)
[19:11] <elfy> tweaking that would certainly be easier than adding a line to ~40 testcases :)
[19:11] <balloons> I'm not for modifying the tests for this
[19:12] <elfy> yea - that would be awesome
[19:12] <balloons> Ok, we can add it straight to the page even I think
[19:12] <elfy> cool :)
[19:12] <balloons> that better than editing the wiki eh?
[19:12] <balloons> let me see
[19:13] <elfy> well - while I would love to think that anyone reporting to the tracker has read everything related - it's rather unlikely :)
[19:13] <balloons> something like  Remember to list your hardware when you report a bug; especially when you are using a virtual machine?
[19:14] <elfy> that sounds good to me
[19:14] <balloons> and link to the hardware profile wiki as well
[19:14] <balloons> perfect, let me add
[19:14]  * elfy is bad at that profile thing
[19:14] <elfy> very very bad :p
[19:14] <elfy> but then again it's usually me reading our stuff :)
[19:15] <balloons> right, I'll point it out
[19:15] <balloons> the bigger deal is vm or real hw
[19:15] <elfy> yep
[19:15] <balloons> often that's enough info
[19:15] <elfy> agree with that
[19:17] <balloons> elfy check http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:17] <balloons> i don't think I like the bold
[19:18] <elfy> me neither
[19:18] <balloons> refresh and look again
[19:18] <elfy> unless it was in a new line
[19:18] <elfy> that's perfect :)
[19:18] <balloons> done..
[19:19] <balloons> easypeasy
[19:19] <balloons> perfect for a friday evening
[19:19] <elfy> thanks balloons
[19:19] <balloons> well done good sir
[19:19] <elfy> yep - talking of which the pub calls - have a good weekend :)
[19:19] <elfy> no injuries this weekend :p
[19:19] <elfy> cya next week balloons
[19:20] <balloons> elfy, I'm still healing, so I can't right?
[19:20] <balloons> elfy, cya
[19:20] <elfy> lol - well you know how it is - I ALWAYS managed to seperate injuries ...
[19:21] <balloons> yep, hurt your hand, then wrist, then arm, then leg, etc
[19:21] <balloons> I busted my toe and it took a couple months to heal. Last night I hit the toe in the same spot.. a minor hit, but it hurt ALOT
[19:21] <balloons> makes me wonder if I learned anything the first time
[19:22] <elfy> seems not :p
[19:22] <elfy> I'm away now - late ...


[21:25] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ricotz, hey. I've moved to another team inside Canonical so you may have noticed not a lot of work from me with packaging recently
[21:40] <jbicha> robert_ancell: oh which team?
[21:41] <robert_ancell> jbicha, secret stuff at the moment
[21:48] <jbicha> cool


[02:29] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: not that I'm aware of.
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> We kind of dropped the ball on that one.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> it's soo hot....
[03:21] <Takyoji> but isn't it raining heavily right now? :P
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> not at the moment - was about an hour ago
[03:24] <Takyoji> Ahh, it just started in Faribault about 5 minutes ago.
[03:37] <kermit> wow it cooled off fast
[03:37] <kermit> 20 degrees in about 2 hours
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, now if it can just do that two more times I'll be happy.
[03:45] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: 31 F in July is not okay
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> sure it is
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> My room is still 29C :(
[03:52] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: That's because you're running about 10 computers in it.
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> No I'm not.  There are only four running.
[05:15] <Obsidian1723> Anyone know a way to test a bash script, a simulation mode for error checking?
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> VMs :P
[05:17] <Obsidian1723> meh. Its an install script, so I dont want to download a ton of stuff just to test.
[06:03] <kermit> obsid<tab>: set -n
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> tabfail
[06:04] <kermit> forum ettiquitte fail
[14:17] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: what is your computer ownership breakdown? (laptop/desktop/server)
[14:17] <_diablo> I have 2 dedicated servers and am struggling to find uses for them.
[14:18] <_diablo> <-- networking n00b that is starting to get his feet wet.
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: 2 ancient desktops that function solely as occasional network practice / play machines (PII, but 4 NICs each), 1 laptop, 1 netbook, 2 nettops that function as low-power server, 1 nettop that functions as a desktop, 1 desktop that's out of commision for a hardware problem, 1 nice desktop, 1 really tiny nettop strapped to a small LCD monitor as a portable somethingorother (good for presentations), and one Nokia mini ...
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> ... internet tablet.
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> plus a VPS
[23:53] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: I'm in a similar position of having equipment that's not yet entirely deployed due to time constraints, but some of the services I either am running or will be running at home include:
[23:53] <Obsidian1723> what ya need al lthat for?
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> NFS, BIND, Squid, DHCP, IMAP syncer, NTP, always-on Pidgin, Nagios, and DAAP
[23:58] <Obsidian1723> for a home system?


[02:35] <hansin> Does anyone know anything about the blink cursor when you log into the console? I know I can disable it, but thought it would make sense by now to have it disabled by default. I thought the blinking cursor cause the CPU to wake up from sleep states, so a power drain. Maybe I am off on that.
[02:39] <twb> I doubt the blinking cursor consumes significant resources.
[02:39] <twb> Screen blanking should trip by default after 10 minutes of inactivity.
[02:41] <samba35> how to configure tap0 device
[02:53] <samba35> i am able to configure tap device but how do i save/store prenatally
[02:54] <twb> Before birth?
[03:05] <hansin> twb: okay, thanks. I guess I was hoping there was a functional reason to have it disabled by default like RHEL. It is a water torture sort of thing for me. Absolutely hate blink cursors.
[03:05] <twb> man setterm, IIRC
[03:05] <twb> Hmm, maybe not.  I'm not sure where that's configured
[03:06] <twb> setterm -cursor off hides it altoghether
[03:07] <hansin> That is okay, I have a command written down that disables it. I am not on a linux box right now, so cannot remember, but basically you echo a 0 or 1 to some file.
[03:07] <twb> Oh, probably something in /proc then
[03:08] <hansin> yeah, that sounds right.
[03:08] <hansin> or /sys
[03:56] <twister004> hi guys... how can I setup a reverse VPN server on ubuntu server such that the server initiates the connection, that way, a NAT is not needed on the router....
[03:58] <twb> IPv6 ?
[03:58] <twister004> twb... no.. IPv4
[03:59] <twister004> twb: I've heard of some reverse VPN servers, where the server initiates the connection, all the client has to do is just connect... and no NAT is requried
[04:01] <twb> If the problem is "I have a NAT" the solution is "migrate to IPv6"
[04:03] <twister004> twb: is there no other way?.. like reverse SSH tunnel... or any software?
[04:03] <twb> There may be other ways; those ways are Wrong
[04:04] <twister004> twb: why's that?
[04:12] <twister004> twb: can I use openvpn over proxy?
[04:13] <yaboo> trying to install a binary driver, how can I manually add a driver.
[04:29] <twister004> Can someone please tell me how I can have a VPN server behind a NAT gateway and use it without setting up NAT on the gateway?
[04:34] <yaboo> trying to modprobe some drivers, know the drivers are in the /lib/modules/kernel/dir, but keeps stating cannot find the drivers, do I have to register the drivers
[04:38] <twb> You cannot simply drop .ko files in a dir and expect them to work
[04:38] <twb> However I don't support binary drivers, so you're on your own.
[05:11] <yaboo> twb I compiled the drivers myself, can see the drivers .ko files on the lib/modules dir, but cannot modprobe them
[05:12] <twb> yaboo: suggest you read up on DKMS
[05:12] <yaboo> ok dkms, also there the ltmodem drivers from the repo, and cannot be found
[06:37] <ChmEarl> the network config file /etc/network/interfaces: is there a way to syntax check this without restarting interfaces or the whole network?
[06:38] <twb> yaboo: is this for a dialup modem?
[06:39] <yaboo> twb yes
[06:39] <twb> yaboo: throw it out and buy one that has a serial port
[06:39] <twb> yaboo: it is NOT worth the hassle
[06:39] <yaboo> twb very hard to find in Australia now
[06:39] <yaboo> twb yes know not worht the hassle, want to use it for faxing
[06:39] <twb> dealextreme or something might have one, I dunno
[06:40] <twb> Second ddg hit is newegg.com claiming to still be selling US Robo modems
[06:41] <twb> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104135
[06:41] <yaboo> thanks twb
[06:42] <twb> I think that's actually more or less what I'm using only my one was bought in like 1978
[08:09] <koolhead11> hi all
[10:51] <caribou> Morning, trivial launchpad question
[10:51] <caribou> If I want to propose a fix to vm-builder, smoser suggested that I create a branch & propose it for a merge
[10:52] <caribou> which bzr push URL should I use to upload the vm-builder branch I want to propose ?
[10:52] <caribou> I know how to do it for a project I'm a member of, but this is not the case for vm-builder
[10:54] <xranby> caribou: I think you can push it to your private bzr repository at launchpad and then the branch can be pulled in by a sponsor of the vm-builder team
[10:54] <caribou> xranby: ah ok, that would explain why, unlike with my projects, I was unable to "propose for merge" in LP
[10:55] <micahg> caribou: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[10:55] <micahg> towards the end it explains what to do with the branches
[10:57] <caribou> micahg: thanks, that's what I  was looking for
[13:31] <smoser> caribou, you should be able to push to lp:~caribou/vm-builder/your-branch-name
[13:31] <caribou> smoser: I did that but then, I was not able to propose a merge
[13:32] <caribou> so I followed micahg's advice & it worked
[13:32] <caribou> smoser: so you should see the branch available for review now
[13:33] <caribou> smoser: I pushed it to /ubuntu/precise/vm-builder
[13:36] <jonludlam> zul: are you around?
[13:36] <zul> jonludlam: about to start my holidays
[13:36] <jonludlam> me too :-)
[13:36] <jonludlam> was just wondering about the xen packages
[13:36] <zul> what about them?
[13:37] <jonludlam> I believe qemu-dm wants to load its keymaps from /usr/share/qemu/keymaps
[13:37] <jonludlam> but the qemu dir seems to be /usr/share/qemu-linaro these days
[13:37] <jonludlam> or at least, that's where the keymaps are found
[13:38] <zul> jonludlam: yeah ill probably look at it over christmas but im just about to run out the door
[13:38] <jonludlam> ok
[13:38] <jonludlam> 1 quick thing more then
[13:38] <zul> sure
[13:38] <jonludlam> will you be pulling 4.1.2-2?
[13:38] <jonludlam> it's got some new ocaml libs packaged up with it
[13:39] <zul> jonludlam: yes
[13:39] <jonludlam> excellent, good news. thanks!
[13:39] <jonludlam> have a good holiday :-)
[13:47] <smoser> caribou, fyi, the branch i proposed pushing to is the *upstream* branch, versus the ubuntu branch.
[13:47] <smoser> either is fine for this.
[13:55] <caribou> smoser: ah, ok, I see the difference
[14:00] <koolhead11> smoser: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/oneiric/  is from where i will get the cloud images
[14:01] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com would be preferred (only different in name)
[14:01] <smoser> remember that daily builds get zero testing
[14:02] <smoser> and that you can (and should) use the machine formated information at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query
[14:03] <koolhead11> cool
[14:03] <koolhead11> smoser: i dont see this url anywer on cloud.ubuntu.com, am i missing sumthing
[14:06] <smoser> where did you see uec-images link?
[14:06] <koolhead11> smoser:  today from google. :D
[14:07] <koolhead11> hello Daviey
[15:38] <smoser> adam_g, awake?
[15:39] <smoser> adam_g, when you get in, is https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/cobbler-enlist/avahi/+merge/85646 still relevant ?
[15:39] <smoser> (there are merge conflicts)
[15:49] <Lcawte> Hi, was there any power related changes added for 11.04, because my server seems to stop just before post ends when I use 11.04, and it worked fine in 10.10
[16:48] <Lcawte> hmm, what does Ubuntu use to manage power? Because for some reason I don't have power nap, and I can't find what is used to manage power etc, because my computer doesnt boot 11.04 or 11.10 but does 10.10 fine
[16:50] <edgy> hallyn: hi
[17:00] <Lcawte> Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix this?
[17:09] <smoser> mmm_, around ?
[17:20] <SpamapS> Lcawte: not sure what is broken
[17:20] <SpamapS> Lcawte: if your machine is turning *off* at boot.. that seems like a kernel bug.
[17:21] <aljosa> anybody knows what is the last version of ubuntu that works with ibm db2 (partner ppa) w/ only apt-get install and no other system wide modifications?
[17:23] <smoser> anyone know have idas as to why i cnanot recreate bug 854866 on debian ?
[17:25] <smoser> SpamapS, ^
[17:26] <SpamapS> smoser: good question, reading
[17:27] <SpamapS> smoser: maybe the useradd or groupadd fails quietly in Debian where ours does not?
[17:28] <smoser> that was my only thought too, but looking at the "Remainging changes" in a shadow source package doesn't mention anything like that.
[17:28] <SpamapS> yeah I don't think we'd want to break all those user/group adds
[17:30] <rbasak> hey zul, I can look at bug 899427 and bug 905527 unless you've already got plans?
[17:30] <zul> rbasak: plans is called holiday
[17:30] <zul> :)
[17:30] <rbasak> :-)
[17:30] <rbasak> I've still got two days left!
[17:31] <zul> im not here :)
[17:31] <smoser> A poor excuse for picking a man's pocket every twenty-fifth of December!
[17:31]  * rbasak will do the horizon bugs in zul's absense then :)
[17:31] <rbasak> erm...right after I learn to spel
[17:51] <Lcawte> SpamapS: no, it just hangs
[17:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: its ovarreitied
[17:52] <SpamapS> Lcawte: if you remove 'quiet' from the commandline args, you might get some clue as to what it is hanging on
[17:53] <SpamapS> Lcawte: when the grub menu shows up, you can edit the arguments
[17:53] <Lcawte> SpamapS: it doesn't go to grub
[17:53] <Lcawte> it finishes all the stuff in post and then hangs just before where it would go to grub
[17:54] <SpamapS> Lcawte: thats pretty seriously broken then.
[17:54] <SpamapS> Lcawte: you may want to boot from a live CD/USB key and use that to re-install grub.
[17:55] <Lcawte> It doesn't seem to be grub though, I can put the disk in another machine and it'll work fine
[17:55] <SpamapS> Lcawte: http://odzangba.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/455/
[17:55] <SpamapS> Lcawte: thats beyond my skills then. :-/
[17:56] <SpamapS> Lcawte: its entirely possible, though, that there is some weird compatibility/geometry problem.
[18:07] <smoser> SpamapS, just fyi, i found out why i couldn't reproduce on debian. i was using olderl package version in debian and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620505 caused this regression
[18:08] <SpamapS> smoser: I'm not sure I understand, but I trust that you do, so I won't pay it any more mind. :)
[18:09] <smoser> ubuntu has newer version than i was trying to reproduce with on debian stable.
[18:09] <smoser> the newer version (debian testing) recreates the bug.
[18:11] <adam_g> smoser: gah, i think there have been merges since that proposal. deleted, ill rebase and resubmit since it looks like we'll be using the C version utility of that after all
[18:12] <SpamapS> smoser: I read "olderl" as "oldperl" .. now I see it was just a typo. haha.
[18:13] <smoser> oldperl does suck
[18:40] <pmatulis> is anybody here successfully using kerberos with apache?
[18:41] <smoser> SpamapS, you have thoughts on my question in -devel ?
[18:42] <smoser> mmm_, its regarding your branch for ganglia at https://code.launchpad.net/~mark-mims/ubuntu/precise/ganglia/useradd
[18:42] <SpamapS> smoser: you mean m_3
[18:42] <smoser> ah. dagum 3 ms
[18:43] <SpamapS> m_3: ^^ smoser has been calling you mmm_ ;)
[18:43] <smoser> m_3,
[18:43] <smoser> i've been calling him other things too, but that was the nicest of the bunch
[18:43] <smoser> (joking)
[20:14] <iToast> how do i remove LAMP
[20:14] <iToast> and reinstall it
[20:15] <ikonia> why ?
[20:15] <ikonia> what have you done ?
[20:20] <jmarsden> sudo tasksel remove lamp-server   # if you installed it using sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[20:21] <ikonia> he doesn't need to remove it
 how do i remove LAMP    was the question being asked... I thought...
[20:27] <smoser> hallyn, around ?
[20:27] <smoser> i tihnk kvm user-net is worse than it used to be.
[20:27] <smoser> of course i have no data to back that up
[20:28] <ikonia> jmarsden: correct, but after reading what's been posted in other channels, he doesn't have to reinstall
[20:29] <smoser> other than libvirt is there any way that people use kvm and get non "usernet" networking ?
[20:30] <smoser> i'm used to something like this, but its networking is painful right now: time kvm -drive file=orchestra.disk,if=virtio,boot=on -cdrom custom.iso    -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::2222-:22 -m 1024    -nographic -serial file:serial-console.log
[20:32] <jmarsden> smoser: See http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking for some ideas on bridging using -net nic,macaddr=$macaddress -net tap    for example...
[20:33] <smoser> yeah... i just dont like the "i have to be root" stuff.... the user-net was so noice.
[20:33] <smoser> actually... it seems like: model=virtio
[20:34] <smoser> made a significant difference.
[20:34] <smoser> where significant == maybe 50x or better
[20:34] <jmarsden> That's... pretty significant :)
[20:38] <mzaza> I can't find ;extension=mysql.so
[20:38] <smoser> yeah. now i'm getting ~ 10MB/s on a 100Mb/s network.
[20:38] <mzaza> Should I just add it anywhere, in the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini file ?
[20:42] <mzaza> I have been having a problem for 2 days in configuring my local webserver, isn't this a help channel or what?
[20:42] <RoyK> mzaza: just installing php5-mysql should do that automatically
[20:43] <mzaza> RoyK: It's already installed :-S
[20:44] <RoyK> mzaza: then it should work - what does phpinfo() have to say?
[20:45] <mzaza> RoyK: Lots of things but I guess, it's enabled.
[20:47] <RoyK> mzaza: if it lists mysql as enabled, it is
[20:47] <mzaza> RoyK: I just created a database and imported it's tables from phpmyadmin, and then created a symbolic link for the website in /var/www but I get an error "The site database appears to be down" !
[20:47] <RoyK> have you configured the webapp correctly?
[20:48] <RoyK> it usually needs a username, password, dbname, and perhaps dbhost and dbport
[20:48] <mzaza> RoyK: I tried it on a friends windows laptop running easyphp and it worked perfectly.
[20:48] <mzaza> rackisland.com/zaza.zip this is the site and it's sql if you would like to give a look at it's config.php
[20:49] <RoyK> is mysql running? can you connect to the database manually? can you connect from a php test script?
[20:49] <mzaza> Haven't tried that. Can you point me to a test script example?
[20:49] <RoyK> php.net
[20:49] <RoyK> there's tons of test code there
[20:50] <mzaza> OK, I'll check it now.
[20:52] <mzaza> RoyK: Successfully connected :-/ and showed tables in the database.
[20:53] <RoyK> then it works... all you have to do is configure that webapp correctly :þ
[20:53] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, are you around ?
[20:55] <mzaza> RoyK: What's strange is that the same webapp worked perfectly on my friends windows machine, and it worked with another friend. If you have some time to spare could you check the config file yourself =) ?
[20:56] <mzaza> RoyK: What's even strange is that it works well on a server running linux + cpanel!
[20:56] <RoyK> no, sorry
[20:56] <mzaza> ok, thanks :)
[20:58] <mzaza> RoyK: Just one more thing why it works here rackisland.com/zaza%20(2)/ which is a linux server and it doesn't run on mine?! It has to be something with my configuration or something I'm missing.
[20:59] <RoyK> mzaza: sorry, I just don't know
[21:00] <mzaza> np :) ty
[21:11] <EvilResistance> anyone know why an ext4 partition would become unstable and unclean, thereby requiring an fsck from an external disk to fix the system?
[21:13] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: there are a number of reasons
[21:14] <EvilResistance> what're the most common ones
[21:14] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: disk errors, reboot during heavy write activity.. a kernel bug... "bit rot"
[21:14] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: powering off with disk drives' write cache enabled is another one
[21:15] <EvilResistance> power failure during a shutdown procedure (i.e. incomplete shutdown)?
[21:15] <SpamapS> Possibly
[21:15] <SpamapS> journalling helps with these, but sometimes its just a mess
[21:16] <EvilResistance> mmm
[21:16] <EvilResistance> well i've had to boot into either an external system or a livecd in order to run fsck just to fix the partition twice in the past 3 weeks
[21:17] <EvilResistance> signs of system failure perhaps?
[21:18] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: are you letting the fsck finish?
[21:18] <EvilResistance> mhm
[21:18] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: definitely inspect your logs for errors. thats abnormal.
[21:23] <EvilResistance> SpamapS:  I just received the UPS i ordered a few days ago, once its all charged up, is there a way to get ubuntu server to check the power remaining in said UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply, aka battery backup), and auto-shutdown when the power gets to a certain level?  I'm pretty certain at this point the power failures caused by some storms are causing this issue.
[21:24] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: yeah there are daemons that will talk to the UPS's and shutdown gracefully
[21:25] <SpamapS> I haven't set such a thing up in a long time, but apcupsd was a good one "back in the day"
[21:25] <guntbert> !apcupsd | EvilResistance
[21:26] <guntbert> EvilResistance: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/apcupsd
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: here
[21:26] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, bug 905854
[21:26] <smoser> fix uploaded.
[21:26] <smoser> hm..
[21:26] <smoser> funy
[21:27] <smoser> how about 907525
[21:27] <smoser> does that make more sense ?
[21:27] <smoser> bug 907525
[21:27] <EvilResistance> guntbert:  thanks
[21:29] <smoser> but, RoAkSoAx if you want to fix that memory leak in unity-2d that'd be great too
[21:29] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: right, should not depend on python-support as it uses dh_python2
[21:30] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: and the postinst should probably be taken care automatically
[21:30] <RoAkSoAx> by dh_python2
[21:31] <smoser> shoot. yeah, should have taken it all the way out
[21:31] <smoser> i did not
[21:31] <smoser> just ripped otu that section. but the whole thing is not needed now.
[21:31] <RoAkSoAx> yeah
[21:34] <aarcane> so I'm working on planning a deployment of virtualization around my site.  I've run into a snafu.  I'm wanting to devote two systems to virtualization, which are intended to bounce virtual machines back and forth between them as needed.
[21:34] <aarcane> But I've got two types of systems I want to run.  Stateless and Stateful.  I want to run the Stateless machines as cloud instances in UEC, and the stateful machines in libvirt.
[21:35] <aarcane> I can't find any good documentation on how (if at all) the two will interact
[21:35] <aarcane> also, I will need to ensure that the stateful machines' images are synced in realtime, and can't find good documentation for that either.
[21:37] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, so should i remove that file entirely and push an UNRELEASED to lp:precise/cobbler ?
[21:37] <aarcane> any ubuntu/UEC/libvirt specific help would be much appreciated
[21:38] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: you can go ahead and upload it cause otherwise it might get lost on lp:precise/cobbler
[21:39] <smoser> yeah.. that sucks. i dont thin its worth an upload though
[21:40] <smoser> well... if it gets lost, then maybe sometime i'll remember it
[21:40] <smoser> i just pushed there.
[21:46] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ok ;)
[21:57] <adam_g> smoser: hmph i *just* hit the same bug building something against python-nova and python-glance
[22:04] <adam_g> smoser: why would that be popping up across packages at the same time? i dont think those two have had any changes wrt that stuff in a while
[22:04] <smoser> you're doing this in EC2?
[22:04] <smoser> python-support left the images i think. previously one or 2 packages actually listed it as a dependency so lots of others got by without it
[22:04] <smoser> but now the images dont' have that by default
[22:05] <smoser> adam_g, to work around, just install python-support first
[22:05] <adam_g> smoser: im actually running during packages builds in chroot
[22:06] <smoser> well the source of the problem is the same.
[22:06] <smoser> they needed it, but didn't declare it and previously just got it
[22:06] <adam_g> right
[22:09] <adam_g> smoser: so, python-support as a build depends should probably just be removed along with the *.postinst?
[22:09] <smoser> well what was failing ?
[22:09] <smoser> the build actually failed ?
[22:09] <smoser> i'd ask in #ubuntu-devel
[22:09] <adam_g> smoser: the postinst on both, during install. haven't rebuild without
[22:09] <smoser> a.) because people there know more than me (doku)
[22:09] <smoser> b.) because i have to run
[22:10] <adam_g> cya
[22:16] <m_3> smoser: hey... do I need to do something else with the ganglia/useradd branch?
[23:17] <twb> So you know how ubuntu debconf uses magenta instead of blue?
[23:18] <twb> Apparently during 12.04 mini.iso, if you mistype the root password the second time, it goes back to blue when you re-answer the password question
[23:25] <twb> Also apparently precise (unlike lucid) isn't guessing the domain and NTP server from the DHCP response options, although that could be some exciting new heisenbug here...


[12:52] <manadart_> achilleasa: Some more link-layer mechanics: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11833
[14:20] <achilleasa> manadart_: got some questions on ^^^
[14:26] <stickupkid> hml, charmhub url model-config https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11834
[15:15] <manadart_> achilleasa: I pushed changes that I think address the feedback, but GH is not reflecting the new commits yet...
[15:29] <achilleasa> manadart_: I will take a look once the commits appear and approve it
[15:48] <achilleasa> manadart_: can you try to push again? Still don't see the new commits
[16:35] <stickupkid> hml, charmhub cli formatting options https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11835
[16:36] <hml> stickupkid: ack - i’ll look at both this afternoon
[16:36] <hml> :-)
[16:36] <stickupkid> no rush
[16:36] <stickupkid> back on model charm origin tomorrow