[10:19] <baafie> got it, thanks
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> im trying to think what else
[10:19] <DaNewB> video card?
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> Nvidia
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> ti4600
[10:20] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: You just insert the cd, boot with the defaults?
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[10:20] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Or what?
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> put the cd in
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> hit enter
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> to boot
[10:20] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, have you tried any alternative settings?
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> it asked me to choose my lang then it gives me login screen at the kernal
[10:21] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, is it the Warty or Hoary liveCD ?
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> hoary
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> Live
[10:21] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, try Warty... It works for me...
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> ok
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> Sounds good
[10:22] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, well I never tried it myself, but it IS in development after all...
[10:22] <Unholyfuneral> Yea
[10:22] <Unholyfuneral> i guess
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> warty install pacs not avaible
[10:23] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, do what madsen said, go for Warty
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> they dont want me to use it i guess
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> yea ill check it out
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> Im new to linux and stile trying to find somthing i like
[10:23] <madsen> Holy fsck! This dist-upgrade is 400+ mb!
[10:23] <randabis> lol
[10:24] <randabis> it wasn't that big for me
[10:24] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, Ubuntu is good for beginners.
[10:24] <madsen> randabis: Might be because it's like 3 weeks or more since I last upgraded.
[10:24] <randabis> ah
[10:25] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, maybe try this http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/4.10/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[10:25] <Unholyfuneral> Thanks madsen Warty is downloading and im off to bed talk with u later guys
[10:25] <DaNewB> bye
[10:25] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Np! Good luck with it! :)
[10:25] <Unholyfuneral> yea ill play around
[10:26] <madsen> Unfortunately Siemens offers no Linux drivers or even anything remotely like support for it. :/
[10:26] <randabis> heh I'm trying to figure out this error I'm getting when installing games using cedega/point2play
[10:27] <madsen> randabis: What err?
[10:29] <randabis> error reading windows installer engine : a file which needs to be replaced may be held in use
[10:29] <randabis> close all apps and try again
[10:29] <madsen> randabis: lol, Win?
[10:29] <randabis> ? what do you mean?
[10:30] <madsen> randabis: Windows
[10:30] <randabis> no...I'm running hoary
[10:30] <madsen> randabis: wtf is "windows installer engine" then?
[10:30] <randabis> the error is received when the windows installer is ran by cedega
[10:31] <madsen> randabis: Oh, sorry, didn't know what cedega was. :)
[10:31] <randabis> cedega installs the games in the same manner windows does
[10:31] <randabis> so this is a doozy
[10:31] <madsen> randabis: :(
[10:32] <madsen> Fuck, I wish someone would boost my connections speed to<PHONE_NUMBER>34672 mbit/s ... just for a couple of minutes... :/
[10:33] <firstknight> when will the next stable version of ubuntu be released ? just curious........
[10:33] <scandium> since the server you are downloading from perhaps is only 100mbit/s that won't help too much
[10:33] <randabis> april
[10:33] <cam> o<PHONE_NUMBER>34gbps?
[10:33] <randabis> or early may
[10:33] <firstknight> randabis, thx
[10:33] <cam> seein your HD is also only 7200rpm i would imagine
[10:33] <cam> that also wont help you that much ;)
[10:34] <scandium> also, where's the justification to use bad words at the beginning of the sentence...
[10:34] <madsen> hehe
[10:34] <DaNewB> when are we gonna get fiber optics based Internet?
[10:34] <cam> that word is just so common, it can be used in any sentence.
[10:34] <cam> in any prefix.
[10:35] <cam> danewb: it exists?
[10:35] <cam> if you want to pay the money for it
[10:35] <cam> lol
[10:35] <DaNewB> cam, we should have it in Canada by 2008-2010 (I think)
[10:36] <cam> er, you should have it already. unless your in the stone age
[10:37] <cam> believe me you have fibre optic internet. maybe not to the typical joe's house. but you do./
[10:37] <DaNewB> cam, so the main lines are fiber optics? errr, not as fast as I hoped...
[10:38] <DaNewB> cam, isnt fiber optic what they call "Internet2"?
[10:39] <cam> danewb: its normally specifically laid by a telecommunications company. normally used by businesses that require high speed internet/
[10:39] <cam> such as ISP's
[10:39] <Agrajag> internet2 is a separate network
[10:39] <luc1f3r> guys, i need some serious help
[10:39] <luc1f3r> I screwed up my Xserver
[10:40] <cam> heh, how did you do that?
[10:40] <luc1f3r> when I boot my computer, it won't load X, so it goes to a unix shell, or whatever you call that
[10:40] <luc1f3r> I was installing some packages to get a game to work
[10:40] <luc1f3r> some Gl and mesa svga and shit
[10:40] <cam> luc1f3r you need to look at /var/logs/X11/XFree86.something.log
[10:40] <luc1f3r> basically, i was being careless
[10:40] <DaNewB> Agrajag, really? and what advantages does it have?
[10:40] <luc1f3r> cam, what do I find in there?  I looked but wasn't sure what to look for
[10:40] <cam> sorry
[10:41] <Agrajag> it's a lot faster
[10:41] <cam> /var/log/XFree86.something.log
[10:41] <Agrajag> only universities and some government institutions are on it now
[10:41] <cam> you want to look for some kind of Error
[10:41] <DaNewB> Agrajag, why just them? cost? or time?
[10:41] <cam> Fatal's are good ;)
[10:41] <luc1f3r> okay
[10:41] <luc1f3r> on the startup, i found an error
[10:42] <luc1f3r> i think it was saying it failed to load hw_random
[10:42] <luc1f3r> something like that
[10:42] <cam> paste in #flood
[10:42] <luc1f3r> called it Fatal
[10:42] <cam> nice.
[10:42] <Agrajag> both, I'd assume
[10:42] <DaNewB> Agrajag, cool
[10:42] <luc1f3r> cam , let me get that
[10:45] <madsen> Arg! Why does Evolution _have_ to be installed!??!?
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: it's part of the ubuntu desktop
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't HAVE to be installed
[10:45] <luc1f3r> cam, i'm sending it in #flood
[10:45] <madsen> Evo sucks!!! When will ppl learn?
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: people like it
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> I like it
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> most people like a nice gui email client
[10:46] <DaNewB> madsen, it's pretty powerfull
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> you may not like it, and that's fine
[10:46] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: Last time I wanted to 'apt-get remove --purge' it, it wanted to uninstall all kinds of crap...
[10:47] <madsen> DaNewB: Hah, Sylpheed-claws is powerful... Evo is outlook-ish...
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: yes, lots of things are with evolution
[10:47] <luc1f3r> cam, did you see what i posted?
[10:47] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I should be able to uninstall it still, without losing half of my other apps... I mean, it IS Linux...
[10:48] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: ... regardless if people like evo or not...
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> what apps do you lose when you uninstall evo?
[10:48] <madsen> I can't remember, and can't tell you atm, as I'm dist-upgrading.
[10:48] <cam> yep
[10:48] <cam> looking at it
[10:48] <luc1f3r> k
[10:48] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: But try 'apt-get remove evolution', you can always answer no.
[10:49] <cam> hrm im not sure how to help you with that one.
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB>   evolution evolution-exchange
[10:49] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: Wtf!?! What version are you running? Hoary?
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[10:50] <luc1f3r> cam that all?
[10:50] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: Wee! Then I might be able to remove it when I'm done dist-upgrading! :)
[10:50] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I swear, it wanted to remove something like X last time I tried that.
[10:51] <madsen> Well, does anyone know if Ubuntu is known to work well with phones via IrDA?
[10:51] <madsen> 'cause my Debian kinda sucks at working with my Siemens CX65...
[10:52] <madsen> I was hoping that Ubuntu/udev would do a better job.
[10:52] <luc1f3r> cam check out this, maybe this is helpful
[10:52] <cam> ok
[10:53] <cam> i know what your problem is, something has stuffed up your driver installation
[10:53] <cam> not sure how to fix that though
[10:53] <cam> err
[10:53] <cam> :|
[10:53] <cam> thats confused me more
[10:53] <luc1f3r> ah. sorry
[10:53] <madsen> Hmm, how do I make using_dma stay on (and why is it disabled for my dvd-drive? by default?)
[10:54] <mchasard> hi
[10:54] <Zindar> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:54] <Zindar>   evolution
[10:54] <Zindar> that's all I get
[10:54] <Zindar> I don't have the exchange-stuff installed
[10:54] <madsen> Zindar: Hoary?
[10:54] <Zindar> nope...warty
[10:55] <madsen> Zindar: Hmm... I'm beginning to look forward to this...
[10:55] <mchasard> i'm very desapointed cause no way to boot the new livecd 0.9.2
[10:55] <Zindar> madsen: what?
[10:55] <madsen> Zindar: Removing Evo...
[10:56] <madsen> Zindar: I wasn't able to earlier because it wanted to remove all kinds of crap, but it seems that it's possible now, so I'll just wat for this dist-upgrade to finish and evo is out of here... :)
[10:56] <madsen> Zindar: I know a lot of people like it, but I find it bloated and useless... I like smaller, simpler (in some ways) and faster apps.
[10:57] <madsen> I'm currently planning to write a small address-book like that of OS X's.
[10:57] <Zindar> madsen: yeah.. well... it's not fast starting it up.. but then... I only do that once a fay :)
[10:57] <madsen> Just gotta find the time.
[10:57] <Zindar> madsen: using the evolution backend?
[10:57] <Zindar> madsen: you should really because that means that other pieces of gnome will access it automatically...
[10:58] <madsen> Zindar: Nope, I think I'll go with a std address format like vcard or something, so it can be used by all kinds of apps.
[10:58] <mchasard> so for the new live cd ...which can boot after the network and material detection,
[10:58] <madsen> Zindar: I don't like evolution, so I sure as hell won't back it by developing with/for it.
[10:58] <Zindar> madsen: I think you'll loose then... lot's of other apps will use the evolution backend...
[10:59] <Zindar> madsen: the backend is independent of evolution and was part of gnome before evo became a part of it...
[10:59] <Zindar> you don't even need to have evo installed to use it
[10:59] <madsen> Zindar: Well, with vcard, one could easilly use my address book in evo instead of a separate evo one...
[10:59] <scandium> what's the recommended VoIP (using SIP/RTP) client for use with Ubuntu? The Gtk+ client I have been using so far (linphone) isn't in main
[11:00] <madsen> Zindar: If evo could just be pointed at a specific address book location, then it'd be no problem...
[11:00] <mchasard> evolution thunderbird , kmail ...sylpeed ...its only a question of feeling
[11:00] <mchasard> ;-)
[11:00] <madsen> mchasard: True... And I don't feel good about Evo. :)
[11:00] <Zindar> madsen: well... your life... there are lot's of stand alone addressbook apps... they need integration with other apps before they suceeds... they haven't...
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: Exactly... How do you think the mac apps work so well together?
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: Because they use a common format...
[11:01] <mchasard> i'm running under mandrakemove so just kmail is proposed ...and its enough for me
[11:01] <Zindar> madsen: because they use a standard interface... just a standard format isn't enough....
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: And most every mail-client can use vcard address books...
[11:01] <Zindar> they need to be able to query eachother live preferably...
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: So, what do you need that a vcard can't give you?
[11:02] <Zindar> live querys.. a way to "lock" the addressbook so two apps don't use it at the same time, standard paths to it, etc... just wrappers around it....
[11:02] <Zindar> s/use/write to /
[11:03] <madsen> Zindar: That can be implemented in like 30 secs...
[11:03] <madsen> Zindar: In the addr book app I mean.
[11:03] <madsen> That's more an application issue than a format issue.
[11:04] <luc1f3r> cam did you give up?
[11:04] <madsen> Standard paths? Not necesarry... An env var can take care of that.
[11:04] <mchasard> which other live cd do you propose me ?
[11:04] <Zindar> madsen: as long as you don't require multiple apps to use the same backend/files... which is the whole point if you want it as integrated as the mac tools...
[11:05] <Zindar> madsen: then standard env vars...
[11:05] <mchasard> with configuration save ...
[11:05] <madsen> Zindar: And wtf do you mean by "live queries"?
[11:05] <Zindar> but hey.. it's up to you... go ahead and implement it... I'm sure some people will like it :)
[11:05] <Zindar> good luck
[11:05] <madsen> Zindar: Well, thanks.
[11:05] <flodin> how come unrar isn't in ubuntu?
[11:05] <fabbione> madsen sounds so much of a danish name...
[11:05] <Agrajag> flodin: it is
[11:06] <Agrajag> it's in multiverse
[11:06] <madsen> fabbione: That's most likely because it is. :)
[11:06] <Zindar> unrar is none free
[11:06] <flodin> i... see
[11:06] <fabbione> madsen: ehehe from where in dk?
[11:06] <madsen> fabbione: Aarhus, you?
[11:06] <fabbione> madsen: ah i lived in rhus for 3 years.. now i am in cph
[11:06] <nyxtreme> anyone know why I can't install rar?
[11:06] <cam> luc1f3r: yes, sorry, im sure someone else will be able to help you.
[11:06] <madsen> fabbione: Vanloese?
[11:07] <mchasard> ok thanks for all ... i have to leave ...
[11:07] <fabbione> madsen: brnshj
[11:07] <fabbione> but very close to Vanlse
[11:07] <madsen> fabbione: Ah, ok... Just your hostname... :)
[11:07] <fabbione> yeah i could guess that ;)
[11:08] <madsen> fabbione: I live just by the McDonalds at Salling. :) So fscking central and nice. :)
[11:08] <nyxtreme> anyone know why the comamnd 'sudo apt-get install rar' doesn't work for me?
[11:08] <madsen> fabbione: Where in Aarhus did you live?
[11:08] <fabbione> madsen: Skejby
[11:08] <madsen> nyxtreme: 'sudo apt-get --reinstall rar'
[11:09] <fabbione> and for a little while in at Viby Torv
[11:09] <madsen> fabbione: Oh. Don't know that very well. :)
[11:09] <luc1f3r> cam: is there someway I can do a recovery boot?
[11:09] <madsen> fabbione: Know that one. :)
[11:09] <fabbione> madsen: well it was a brand new set of buildings when i moved in there...
[11:09] <nyxtreme> madsen: that doesn't work either, it says E: Invalid operation rar
[11:09] <fabbione> sudo apt-get --reinstall install unrar
[11:09] <madsen> nyxtreme: Sorry, 'apt-get install --reinstall rar'
[11:10] <nyxtreme> oh thanks
[11:10] <flodin> well for some reason i can't mark "unrar" for installing in aptitude; unrar-nonfree works though
[11:11] <madsen> Arg, somebody kill me!!! This dist-upgrade still has an estimated 2h left! *sigh* Damn you 256kbps!
[11:11] <nyxtreme> yah
[11:12] <fabbione> madsen: go for cybercity 2Mbit ;)
[11:12] <madsen> Nah, too expensive for me. :/
[11:12] <fabbione> it went down quite a bit
[11:12] <madsen> fabbione: I'm studying, so I can't even really afford this crummy 256k conn. :/
[11:13] <fabbione> it's like 650DKK
[11:13] <fabbione> ah ok
[11:13] <pisuke> madsen, remember the dialup times
[11:13] <fabbione> i tought you were working.. sorry
[11:13] <madsen> fabbione: And this is like 250dkk :)
[11:13] <fabbione> living in the center ;)
[11:13] <madsen> fabbione: Hehe, don't be. :) I like studying. :)
[11:13] <madsen> pisuke: I sure do, and I'm glad that they're over.
[11:13] <madsen> fabbione: What do you do?
[11:14] <madsen> fabbione: This room I've got is only 1900 dkk a month (for 12 sq m), so it's affordable. :)
[11:16] <madsen> Well, think I'll watch a little futurama while the dist-upgrade is running.
[11:17] <madsen> See ya later! :)
[11:23] <fabbione> madsen: i work for Ubuntu ;)
[11:23] <fabbione> but yeah.. 1900dkk is nothing for a room in the center
[11:26] <sleon|ubuntu> hi
[11:26] <sleon|ubuntu> where to get unrar package for ubuntu from?
[11:26] <Agrajag> multiverse
[11:30] <madsen> fabbione: Woh, nice job. :) What do you do for Ubuntu?
[11:30] <Mind_Socket_brb> hiya, I've just tried installing ubuntu from cdrom, and have a problem when it comes to detecting and mounting the cdrom.
[11:30] <Mind_Socket_brb>  Based on this page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4447.html it looks like a problem with having a SATA disk and the mode it is in.
[11:30] <madsen> Somehow Ubuntu has decided that even though I've got gsteamer-dvd installed it won't play any dvds today. :/
[11:31] <jocco> how can i tell other 3D artists how to get simple software without offending anyone?
[11:31] <jocco> Wingd 3d and Blender
[11:31] <madsen> jocco: What do you mean?
[11:31] <jocco> If I tell people how to get it Apt-get wont see it
[11:31] <Mind_Socket_brb> My problem, however, is that I have a CDROM and PATA IDE disk on 1 channel and the SATA disk on the other.  Any suggestions?  I', thinking  that removing the SATA disk might be the only option to get things installed
[11:32] <jocco> All bleeding edge software works with warty
[11:32] <MM2> I installed ubuntu from CD, installer told to remove media to reboot. After reboot installer SHOULD download some software, but it needs prosy. How I can tell installer which proxy to use?
[11:32] <madsen> jocco: Well, why don't you tell them to apt-get it then?
[11:32] <MM2> or how I install stantard packages from command line?
[11:32] <jocco> If I tell them to apt get it, they will get out dated blender and wings 3d
[11:33] <Agrajag> it doesn't need a proxy
[11:33] <jocco> actualy no wings
[11:33] <Agrajag> don't give it one if you don't use one
[11:33] <madsen> MM2: 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' will upgrade what you've already got.
[11:33] <MM2> madsen: I don't have x, and I want it
[11:33] <jocco> well, i have failsafe ways to install..
[11:33] <cam> whats the command to mount everything in fstab with auto?
[11:33] <Agrajag> mount -a
[11:34] <jocco> may i share without pissing off APT-get people?
[11:34] <cam> thanks
[11:34] <madsen> MM2: apt-get install xfree86-common
[11:35] <madsen> jocco: What do you mean? You've built a .deb pkg of the newest blender?
[11:35] <jocco> it is easy, un archive blender, and copy .blender directory to home folder
[11:35] <jocco> YOU DONT NEED DEB PACKAGE FOR BLEEDING EDGE BLENDER
[11:35] <jocco> :)
[11:35] <madsen> jocco: Relax!
[11:36] <madsen> jocco: Nobody will be offended, it's your system...
[11:36] <jocco> unarchive, and then copy .blender file to home folder
[11:36] <Mind_Socket_brb> figured it out, forget about it :)
[11:36] <jocco> the warty blender has no undo system
[11:36] <madsen> jocco: Ok, then use the hoary blender...
[11:36] <jocco> plus no support for wings 3d
[11:37] <madsen> blender - Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer
[11:37] <MM2> How I copy (install) all packages from CD to system?
[11:37] <madsen> wings3d - A Nendo-inspired 3D polygon mesh modeller
[11:37] <madsen> jocco: In hoary both are there.
[11:37] <jocco> I use none , I install myself, can I post this kind of information on forum ?
[11:37] <cam> cant use blender. no ati support in hoary :(
[11:37] <MM2> install program has option (install all packages), but ubuntu default installer won't let me choose it
[11:37] <cam> pfft @ ATI. anyway. *notices topic*
[11:38] <madsen> jocco: What version is bleeding edge blender?
[11:38] <jocco> I dont see why it is an apt-get thing anyways, it is bleeding edge
[11:38] <madsen> jocco: Wtf are you talking about?

[11:39] <jocco> here I give you link
[11:39] <madsen> jocco: What version is bleeding edge blender?
[11:39] <madsen> jocco: I know the fscking blender homepage...
[11:39] <madsen> jocco: I'm asking you to tell me what version BE blender is.
[11:39] <jocco> My version?
[11:40] <jocco> 2.36
[11:40] <jocco> I need this to use displacemant mapping
[11:40] <madsen> Ok, the one in the hoary repo is 2.34...
[11:40] <jocco> pre 2.2 has NO UNDO SYSTEM
[11:40] <madsen> jocco: Since when was 2.34 pre 2.2?
[11:40] <jocco> can I tell people to just use it
[11:41] <madsen> jocco: Jeez, read what I'm writing...
[11:41] <madsen> jocco: Yeah, if you think the difference between 2.34 and 2.36 is that big I'm sure nobody will prosecute or kill neither you or your family.
[11:42] <jocco> welll
[11:42] <jocco> cal I ask to kill 1 family member?
[11:42] <madsen> jocco: But I'm telling you that 2.34 is in the hoary repo...  I'm not telling you to do or not to do anything... I'm just telling you that 2.34 is in the hoary repo!
[11:43] <DaNewB> Is there an open-source app like ToonBoom Studio(for making cartoons)?
[11:44] <jocco> nice
[11:44] <madsen> If you think that 2.36 is that much better, I'm pretty sure that everyone will understand why you recommend 2.36 instead.
[11:44] <jocco> can wings make it too?
[11:45] <jocco> the both unzip under warty, and run witout any other packages
[11:45] <madsen> Wings in hoary is 0.98.26, I don't know what version the "bleeding edge" version is.
[11:45] <jocco> ok
[11:46] <madsen> jocco: I don't even know why you're asking this... I don't think anyone will tell you that it's not alright...
[11:46] <jocco> I have a fettish for bumpmapping support
[11:46] <zAo^> I have a 2.2Ghz laptop, it only uses 1100 mhz ! What should I do?
[11:46] <jocco> I hope I dont seem as a pest
[11:47] <jocco> if I do sorry
[11:47] <jocco> i have no friends
[11:47] <MM2> last step in installer: Ubuntu provides additional etc... download from internet... HOW I TELL IT TO USE PROXY?
[11:48] <MM2> I fell to text interface without X and I don't want it
[11:48] <DaNewB> ctrl-alt-f7?
[11:48] <MM2> or how I after answering no, install DEFAULT packages after I have exported http_proxy?
[11:48] <MM2> different terminal?
[11:49] <MM2> ctrl-alt-f7 won't give graphical interface, becausi it is NOT installed
[11:49] <MM2> because installer wants download them from internet, and it can't without proxy
[11:50] <DaNewB> I'll let the experts answer...
[11:50] <MM2> anyone? please!
[11:51] <MM2> I have (tried) installed different distros for 3 days now...
[11:51] <MM2> packages are in CD...
[11:51] <MM2> Hmm... expert mode... reinstall... *uck!
[11:52] <madmatt> hrm - well in debian you can add lines to your apt-get cfg to make it search /mnt/cdrom first
[11:52] <madmatt> i wouldn't know about ubuntu, but maybe you could do that [note i just joined the channel so if i missed an important detail please tell ;D]
[11:52] <MM2> but ubuntu installer wants to download them from internet!
[11:53] <DaNewB> madmatt, he has a proxy
[11:53] <madmatt> so you don't have the option to get them from cd [or is the problem that they're not on the cd at all?]
[11:54] <MM2> I have 2 machines installed correctly, them didn't needed proxy. How I export package list from this so I can use apt to install same packages after I export http_proxy?
[11:54] <MM2> madmatt: no
[11:54] <MM2> madmatt: installer wants to download them
[11:55] <madmatt> hrm, the installer only wanted to download security patches for me - i jsut disconnected eth0 and it skipped them
[11:56] <DaNewB> MM2, how come other machines didnt need a proxy?
[11:57] <MM2> DaNewB: because our ISP:s firewall lets them to access internet without proxy
[11:57] <DaNewB> MM2, normally, the installer asks you if you want to update now or not(I think)?
[11:58] <MM2> DaNewB: and if I answer NO, I end up with text interface
[11:58] <MM2> how I can install graphical iface after that?
[11:58] <MM2> and other default packages?
[11:59] <DaNewB> MM2, oh, that's weird. Try "apt-get update upgrade" maybe?
[11:59] <DaNewB> MM2, that is, after you set your proxy
[11:59] <DaNewB> MM2, but I'm just a novice and I dont get your problem...
[12:00] <MM2> DaNewB: every single package is updated
[12:00] <MM2> DaNewB: but Xwindow is NOT installed
[12:00] <MM2> DaNewB: because installer wants to download them from internet
[12:01] <MM2> DaNewB: and it CAN't, because it needs proxy to download them
[12:01] <DaNewB> MM2, then set up your proxy?
[12:01] <MM2> DaNewB: packages woult be in CD, but installer completely ignores them
[12:01] <MM2> DaNewB: I CAN'T tell insteller to use proxy!!!!!!!
[12:03] <DaNewB> MM2, so you wish to install the packages that are on the C?
[12:03] <DaNewB> C*
[12:03] <DaNewB> CD*
[12:03] <DaNewB> MM2, so you wish to install the packages that are on the CD?
[12:04] <crying> help!
[12:05] <crying> i installed windows xp on a seperate partition to hoary, and now i can't get back into hoary, rescue on the warty cd doesn't work
[12:05] <Zindar> crying: why not?
[12:05] <Zindar> rescue that is
[12:06] <crying> i use rescue root=/dev/hda1
[12:06] <crying> and then it gives loads of modules errors
[12:07] <Zindar> crying: do you have a live cd?
[12:07] <crying> i compiled my own kernel for hoary thoguh
[12:07] <crying> Zindar: no
[12:07] <DaNewB> MM2, see "man sources.list" and apt-cdrom
[12:07] <Zindar> if so, get it.. mount your current hd, install grub, reboot
[12:07] <crying> can you recommend one?
[12:07] <Zindar> crying: the ubuntu live cd! :)
[12:07] <Zindar> of course
[12:07] <crying> :)
[12:07] <Zindar> that's probably the simplest thing...
[12:08] <Zindar> but why do you run hoary?
[12:08] <crying> because warty won't work on my system
[12:09] <crying> whatever version of xfree it uses gets a segfault
[12:09] <crying> xorg is fine though
[12:09] <MM2> ok, couple of ctrl-c's helped with exported http_proxy from other terminal (?)... But now I have 1 comp with missing packages...
[12:10] <MM2> how I export list of installed packages? (dpkg -l > list) and install packages from list to that one comp?
[12:13] <poof> 0o
[12:14] <MM2> still 6 machines to install. And them need CD-ROM drives to install too...
[12:14] <DaNewB> MM2, did you try apt-cdrom?? (i'm confused)
[12:15] <DaNewB> MM2, why dont you ask this in your Linux class? LOL
[12:16] <poof> 0o
[12:16] <HostingGeek> /exec -o lynx http://ubuntulinux.org
[12:16] <poof> am I bad person?
[12:16] <HostingGeek> yes
[12:17] <HostingGeek> your not in #ubuntu-offtopic thats why
[12:17] <poof> i want to help
[12:17] <DaNewB> poof, then help MM2 if you can
[12:19] <HostingGeek> MM2: what do you want to do?
[12:19] <poof> Umm, i cant help MM2, that question is for GURU
[12:19] <HostingGeek> MM2: the easest way would be by making a meta package
[12:19] <HostingGeek> but i guess your a n00b
[12:20] <poof> makeing fun of him dont help
[12:20] <MM2> DaNewB: because i'm teacher on it :)
[12:21] <MM2> solved it and keeping on installing
[12:21] <MM2> still 55 mins to go :)
[12:21] <MM2> and I must make auth against win pdc also :)
[12:21] <poof> heh
[12:22] <poof> Ubuntu has changed my life
[12:22] <DaNewB> MM2, problem solved? well I guess you didnt need us...
[12:22] <MM2> base-config... (command)...
[12:22] <MM2> hint hint hint
[12:22] <MM2> hope it works :)
[12:23] <DaNewB> MM2, OH, sorry, guess I insulted you.. didnt mean to... :)
[12:24] <t31> hi, someone knows how to install ubuntu on to my hd, when i start pc from the cd goes straight to the desktop
[12:24] <pisuke> t31, maybe you have a live cd. you need an install cd.
[12:24] <DaNewB> t31, I bet you got the Live CD? You need the install CD to install to HD
[12:25] <t31> yeap i got a live cd
[12:25] <t31> cant i with this one?
[12:26] <DaNewB> t31, not normally, get the install CD
[12:26] <Hwolf> no, dont think you can
[12:26] <t31> :( ok i will return to windows :P and look for the install cd any nice bt link u know
[12:27] <t31> np i will google for a while :)
[12:27] <t31> hope be back soon ;)
[12:27] <Hwolf> There should be a torrent on the download site
[12:27] <t31> thx
[12:28] <Hwolf> Hm. Can someone reccomend a good book for someone who is marginally interested in learning to program in python?
[12:28] <DaNewB> Hwolf, check python.org maybe?
[12:29] <Hwolf> Working on it.
[12:30] <Hwolf> omg, legal ebooks. What a sight!
[12:30] <DaNewB> Hwolf, check Ubuntulinux.org --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/books/python
[12:31] <DaNewB> Hwolf, "Dive into Python" by Mark Pilgrim (never read it, but it's 5 stars...)
[12:31] <Hwolf> Downing. :-)
[12:47] <t31> already downloading the image, the live cd doesnt recognice my combo dvd cdrw, would be much problem to make it work?
[12:51] <Loki|muh> hi
[12:53] <Loki|muh> does the warty-install-kernel support the 3ware raid controller 8000-series?
[12:53] <Loki|muh> anyone knows?
[12:54] <HostingGeek> I would like to notice everyone that there is #ubuntu-offtopic and it is offical
[12:56] <quazion> HI, i have a problem, i switched res with the menu tool, but now i cant get it of 800x600
[12:56] <quazion> and the menu is off the screen, i tried logining again, but no go
[12:56] <quazion> any idea, how to reset the default res ?
[12:56] <scoon> quazion, log out and the reset the X-server.
[12:56] <quazion> i did ctrl-alt-del te restart x
[12:56] <DaNewB> quazion, alt-F1
[12:56] <scoon> quazion, that can be done with this key combo ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:57] <quazion> i mean backspace
[12:57] <DaNewB> quazion, do ALT-F2 then run "gnome-display-properties"
[12:57] <quazion> DaNewB: will try, i am on a console now :)
[12:58] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: that will not work
[12:58] <scoon> quazion, how about control-alt-+
[12:58] <HostingGeek> quazion: don't do it
[12:58] <scoon> quazion, or ctl-alt--
[12:58] <DaNewB> quazion, that will get you to the screen resolution dialog
[12:58] <quazion> thanks working again...
[12:58] <HostingGeek> quazion: please start gnome again
[12:58] <HostingGeek> then open a terminal
[12:59] <HostingGeek> and do that command
[12:59] <quazion> thanks guys for the quick help
[12:59] <HostingGeek> as you need to do it on a evament that can run gtk+
[12:59] <DaNewB> quazion, what did you do?
[12:59] <FuNgEx> Hello
[12:59] <quazion> i open terminal on current x display and run the command yuo gave
[01:00] <DaNewB> hi FuNgEx
[01:00] <DaNewB> quazion, cool
[01:00] <d3vic3> does anyone know wat packge is nsgmls in ?
[01:00] <quazion> brb, switching to xchat again
[01:00] <d3vic3> does anyone know wat package is nsgmls in ?
[01:01] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: he did it the way that will work and the way i said coz' i am cool now join #ubuntu-offtopic and i'll explane why it will not work
[01:02] <scandium> d3vic3: "sp"
[01:03] <Loki|muh> anyone knows where i can get the kernel config warty uses?
[01:05] <FuNgEx> hi, isn't there yet any .deb file for firefox 1.0?
[01:05] <firstknight> is there any ubuntu webpage like http://packages.gentoo.org/ ????
[01:06] <Freduardo> FuNgEx, you can apt-get it when you use the Hoary repositories
[01:06] <Freduardo> Ithink
[01:06] <FuNgEx> can i use hoary repositories with warty?
[01:06] <FuNgEx> perhaps not a very good ideia right?
[01:07] <Freduardo> you can use them just to get firefow
[01:07] <Freduardo> and then turn them back of
[01:07] <Freduardo> again: I think
[01:07] <hannes__> possiby...
[01:07] <FuNgEx> in distrowatch they were predicting that hoary would be released yesterday
[01:07] <hannes__> *bly
[01:07] <souki> Loki|muh: there is a module named 3w-xxxx.ko
[01:07] <FuNgEx> any deadline for that?
[01:07] <hannes__> it will be released 04/2005
[01:08] <Freduardo> huh
[01:08] <FuNgEx> ok
[01:08] <hannes__> (version 5.04
[01:08] <hannes__> there is a date in wiki
[01:08] <FuNgEx> thx
[01:09] <FuNgEx> I will try that with repositories to get firefox and thunderbird or even recent evolution.
[01:09] <outsider1> Can warty be upgraded to hoary with the hoary cd (once its come out)?
[01:09] <scandium> yes
[01:09] <scandium> I read somewhere on ubuntulinux.org that dist upgrades will be supported
[01:09] <souki> Loki|muh:  the 7000/8000 series has had its 3w-xxxx drive included in the kernel for several years.
[01:10] <outsider1> scandium: how? adding the cd to the sources, and typing "apt-get upgrade"?
[01:10] <souki> Loki|muh: previous citation from 3ware site
[01:10] <Loki|muh> souki: thanks alot
[01:12] <scandium> outsider1: how am I supposed to know? :)
[01:16] <scandium> outsider1: I can only tell you what is in the FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrading
[01:18] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: still here?
[01:18] <DaNewB> outsider1, wont the install program autodetect your Warty install and sk to upgrade?
[01:18] <DaNewB> ask*
[01:18] <FuNgEx> yes
[01:18] <HostingGeek> there is a unoffical backports project for these apps goto the wiki/Brakemyubuntu
[01:18] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: that was for you
[01:18] <FuNgEx> thx
[01:19] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: thx
[01:19] <outsider1> FuNgEx: do you know how we will upgrade our ubuntus?
[01:20] <FuNgEx> nop...
[01:20] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek:
[01:21] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: you don't need to know just yet
[01:21] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: you want the backports
[01:21] <HostingGeek> it will not brake your ubuntu
[01:22] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: i'm new to linux... i'm starting with your distro
[01:23] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: do i add something to the repository?
[01:23] <HostingGeek> read the page
[01:23] <HostingGeek> it tells you what you do from synaptic
[01:28] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: all is going fine... upgrading...
[01:28] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: thx you
[01:29] <HostingGeek> upgrading to? hoary or using backports, FuNgEx
[01:30] <FuNgEx> using backports
[01:31] <FuNgEx> I'm new to this... so hard for me to go to advanced stuff... and for now i'll keep warty... hoary just when it's released
[01:32] <DaNewB> backports is a nice thing, otherwise Ubuntu (stable) would feel a little outdated
[01:32] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: no upgrade to hoary once the preview 1 is out
[01:33] <FuNgEx> i've seen some hoary cds on the internet...
[01:33] <FuNgEx> even tried that ones... but did not get it to work properly
[01:33] <Hwolf> Gods, If only I where a hacker.
[01:34] <Hwolf> I can acces about a dozen unconfigured windows networks at this time.
[01:34] <Hwolf> Just browsing samba. :-)
[01:35] <DaNewB> Hwolf, kidding?
[01:35] <Hwolf> No.
[01:36] <Hwolf> I'm in a student-building. Fibre-channel through the entire building. few hunderd rooms. Apperantly nobody realises that makes the entire building into a single network.
[01:36] <firstknight> where can I see ubuntu packages ( the list )???? I am not ubuntu user. just think to migrate.....
[01:36] <Hwolf> firstnight, you can see a summary on distrowatch.
[01:37] <elyseum> same list as debian i guess
[01:37] <elyseum> or almost the same
[01:37] <scandium> firstknight: try http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ - I don't know if there is a nicely formatted html page etc., too
[01:37] <Cam-> how do i modprobe something on startup? ;)
[01:37] <Cam-> silly question
[01:38] <souki> firstknight: much less than debian, but you can import deb repos
[01:39] <souki> firstknight: for example, there is no freenx/nxclient in ubuntu repos
[01:39] <FuNgEx> i'm loving this distro...
[01:40] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, welcome
[01:40] <firstknight> scandium, I hope ubuntu have one like this: http://packages.gentoo.org/
[01:40] <FuNgEx> my first impression of linux was not very good... i tried gentooo
[01:40] <Cam-> fungex: good eh ;)
[01:40] <DaNewB> firstknight, Debian has a page like that too
[01:40] <firstknight> souki, is it that much???????
[01:40] <FuNgEx> i couldn't get to have gnome...
[01:40] <elyseum> not good for a first start, too hard
[01:40] <Hwolf> Heh. Gentoo is great. As long as you don't need to get anything done. :-)
[01:40] <FuNgEx> compilation problems...
[01:40] <firstknight> DaNewB, ubuntu is not debian.....
[01:40] <souki> firstknight: I don't think so, even fedora core doesn't
[01:41] <souki> firstknight: I was copparing to gentoo
[01:42] <FuNgEx> so this was like "i'm in heaven"
[01:43] <FuNgEx> very simple instalation
[01:44] <FuNgEx> i'm a gnome fan so i've tried suse 9.2 but did not like having gnome 2.6 and even there was to many things to choose etc
[01:44] <FuNgEx> i like "your" keep it simple philosophy
[01:44] <souki> firstknight: I'm not an ubuntu converted yet, I'm just testing it. Good desktop, but not enough packages
[01:45] <souki> firstknight: best out of the box distro for my laptop centrino
[01:45] <FuNgEx> Nice help too thx you
[01:45] <DaNewB> souki, not too much packages, but enough, yes
[01:45] <firstknight> I just worry if I installed ubuntu, I have to install many software manually. With gentoo or debian or fc, you have many packages that you can forget about  ./configure; make; make install
[01:46] <firstknight> I think it is not wise to mix the debian packages with ubuntu packages........
[01:46] <souki> DaNewB: not enough for me
[01:47] <souki> firstknight: my experience since one week (I've installed ubuntu twice) : it is very diffcult to mix repos
[01:47] <elyseum> in the future i guess alot of the debian packages will be converted to ubuntu, so...
[01:48] <Hwolf> You could always enable universe/multiverse.
[01:48] <outsider1> what if i have a debian package that i need in ubuntu? can i install it with dpkg -i <packagename>
[01:48] <Hwolf> That gives you acces to about all the debian packages.
[01:49] <DaNewB> outsider1, I did with Gtk-Gnutella for instance
[01:49] <outsider1> Hwolf: are those "ubuntu save" debian packages
[01:49] <HostingGeek> People, People, Linus has reply a comment on this page http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current about ubuntu
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> hello guys
[01:49] <Hwolf> outsider, those are the ubuntu copies of the debian sid repro's
[01:51] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, well hello
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB: :)
[01:52] <outsider1> Hwolf: i have a custom package that isnt in debian, is it safe to install that?
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> outsider1: it depents
[01:53] <souki> HostingGeek: not just a comment, a blessing
[01:53] <Hwolf> Sure it is
[01:54] <FuNgEx> restartin
[01:54] <Hwolf> outsider1, trouble comes if you install something debian, which requires or is relied upon by something ubuntu. If the debian stuff handles something different from ubuntu, you get crashes.
[01:54] <FuNgEx> c ya
[01:54] <manu> yo
[01:54] <kent> yeah,  everytime some one signs a commenct with /Linus Torvalds, we can for sure know its him, becaus no one would ever think of copy his name ;)
[01:54] <herman_> whats wrong with this?: mount -t smbfs -o username=herman,password=blaat //<IP_ADDRESS>/share /mnt/smb
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> herman_: nothing
[01:55] <herman_> hmz
[01:55] <herman_> it gives an bad superblock error
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> does the directory /mnt/smb exist?
[01:55] <herman_> yup
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> hmm
[01:55] <souki> herman_: sounds like a problem on your disk
[01:56] <herman_> souki, its a network share
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> is it ntfs ?
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> but this really doesnt matter
[01:56] <kent> HostingGeek, oh my good..  They used Ubuntu in Soviet Russia aswell, check the comments on distrowatch :)
[01:56] <herman_> it work in nautilus
[01:56] <herman_> to browse to that share
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> herman_: whatttt?
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> then the share is allready mounted
[01:57] <herman_> smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/share works perfectly in nautilus
[01:57] <LagoniX> Hi, any of you guys got a anser to why my repeat keyboard dont work in gnome but works on tty and kde
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> what are u trying to do ?
[01:57] <herman_> ZzeCoOl, no, besides i tried that afterwards
[01:57] <souki> herman_: yes it's different, nautilus doesn't mount le samba share
[01:57] <FuNgEx> Back i am
[01:57] <FuNgEx> :D
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> aha i see
[01:58] <herman_> yes and i want to mount the share
[01:58] <herman_> so i can pipe some output to it
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: may the force be with you ....Always
[01:58] <herman_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //<IP_ADDRESS>/share,
[01:58] <herman_>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:58] <herman_> is the exact error
[01:59] <FuNgEx> May Right You Be, ZzeCoOl
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> herman_: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> haahahaahh
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: :PPP
[02:00] <HostingGeek> why arn't Kaffe, SableVM or JamVM used as the offical javavms in ubuntu like whats happening in debina
[02:00] <HostingGeek> *debian
[02:01] <herman_> ZzeCoOl, the guide says the same
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> herman
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> just reboot many times it helps
[02:01] <herman_> hahaha
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:01] <globetek> anyone ever have probs with the sourceforge package?
[02:02] <globetek> or is it better to just compile things yourself?
[02:02] <DaNewB> globetek, which package?
[02:03] <globetek> sourceforge
[02:03] <globetek> and the gforge packages
[02:03] <ZzeCoOl> sourcefarge isnt a packge
[02:03] <ZzeCoOl> sourceforge isnt a package
[02:04] <globetek> it's not? mm..maybe in the universe or backports itt is
[02:04] <globetek> dunno
[02:05] <DaNewB> globetek, gforge is a package yes (found it in Synaptic)
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> i found it too
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> i didnt know that there is a package with that name
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> O_o
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> Empty package to help with Sourceforge to Gforge transition
[02:06] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: do you know where can i get Skype for ubuntu?
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> Empty O_o
[02:07] <DaNewB> me neither, bt I dont host a collaboration project...
[02:07] <FuNgEx> ZzeCoOl: this question i made to HostingGeek serves you as well
[02:07] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: GOOGLE NOES ALL
[02:07] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, I think it's explained on ubuntuguide.org
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[02:08] <globetek> so it's better to build the packagesy ourself right
[02:08] <FuNgEx> let me bookmark that page
[02:08] <FuNgEx> :D
[02:08] <globetek> i kind of likee this better than BSD land
[02:08] <Guardiann> :)
[02:08] <Luie> Does any one know where I can finde some packages repository's for amd64
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: u didnt allready???? O_o
[02:11] <DaNewB> Luie, are there repos specific to amd64?
[02:12] <LagoniX> Does any one know whats wrong when 'repeat keyboard' don't work in gnome????
[02:13] <ozmund> When I use F1 (to dimm brightness) on my powerbook G4 (550MHz), I get lcd blooming (screen 'seems' to melt). This happens with kernel 2.6.10, it does not happen on 2.6.9. Have anyone seen similar?
[02:13] <globetek> so sourceforge is a empty package?
[02:13] <globetek> are emptypackages bad for stability in .deb distros
[02:14] <Cam-> whats the best gnome news client?
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: are u using skype?
[02:14] <ozmund> Cam-, I like pan
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> to make real phonecals
[02:15] <tungsten> having trouble with loading cups-driver-gimpprint
[02:15] <Cam-> thanks ozmund
[02:15] <tungsten> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885&goto=nextnewest
[02:15] <chewvl> Cam -> the newsreader most folks on GNOME use
[02:16] <tungsten> Item from mark not real clear
[02:16] <chewvl> is pan
[02:16] <tungsten> I launch synaptic but do'nt see any package for cupsys?
[02:17] <Quest-Master> Guys
[02:17] <tungsten> I launch synaptic but do'nt see any package for cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:17] <Quest-Master> If I simply drag an ISO file into Nautilus CD Burner
[02:17] <Quest-Master> And write contents to CD
[02:17] <Cam-> ta
[02:17] <Quest-Master> Will it work like it should? (Burn the contents of the ISO to the CD)
[02:17] <tungsten> trying to get a standard epson c82 to print
[02:17] <Quest-Master> Or do I need to download k3b?
[02:18] <kent> Quest-Master, to burn an iso-file, just select the file (rightclick on it) and select burn.  Dont copy it to the burn-window, then it would be burned as a file, and not as a iso
[02:18] <scizzo> Quest-Master: right click on the file and tell it to write to CD
[02:18] <Quest-Master> It doesn't have that option for some reason
[02:18] <Quest-Master> It doesn't say "Burn to disc"
[02:18] <Quest-Master> The CD is empty and the nautilus-cd-burner is running though.. :(
[02:19] <scizzo> Quest-Master: move it to the nautilus-burner select it and then right click and see if the option is there
[02:19] <Quest-Master> Ok
[02:19] <aires> Quest-Master: Hello, I'm experiencing some problems installing ubuntu on a Opteron 1Gb RAM...
[02:19] <Quest-Master> aires: What're your problems?
[02:19] <Quest-Master> scizzo: No, it didn't show up the option
[02:20] <scizzo> Quest-Master: weird
[02:20] <aires> Quest-Master: When it start to "booting the kernel", it simply freezes. Verbose mode level 5 doesn't return anything.
[02:20] <Quest-Master> aires: Whoa. That's weird.
[02:20] <Quest-Master> aires: Try posting at the forums or on the mailing list (best idea).
[02:20] <Quest-Master> scizzo: Use k3b then?
[02:21] <wezzer> is there any possibility to burn nero images in linux?
[02:21] <tungsten> should I be able to apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[02:21] <scizzo> wezzer: nero images?
[02:21] <wezzer> scizzo: .nrg
[02:21] <scizzo> Quest-Master: using hoary
[02:21] <scizzo> ?
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Nope
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Warty
[02:21] <tungsten> the package is listed in ubuntu
[02:21] <scandium> wezzer: there's a program called "nrg2iso"
[02:21] <aires> Quest-Master: There is any console exit going thru serial port?
[02:21] <wezzer> scandium: aah, okay, so I have to convert them first
[02:21] <wezzer> thanks
[02:22] <aires> That's the only thing I can realize that I didn't attempt already...
[02:22] <scandium> wezzer: well, perhaps there *is* an app that can burn nrg files, though
[02:22] <wezzer> I'll check freshmeat
[02:22] <globetek> is it possible to have debian via apt-get ?
[02:23] <Quest-Master> What is cdrao?
[02:23] <Quest-Master> k3b needs it apparently
[02:23] <Quest-Master> And I can't find it in the repos.
[02:23] <ondrej> seb128: ping?
[02:23] <seb128> ondrej: pong
[02:23] <jono> quick question - when I plug in a usb device and just pull the usb device out, it crashes the system - is this a bug in the kernel, hotplug or hal?
[02:23] <jono> I am just reporting it
[02:25] <mjr> well, if it crashes the system, it's a bug at least in the low-level driver, ie. the kernel
[02:26] <mjr> it may be debatable if there's also a bug in hotplug, but I'd report it to the kernel
[02:26] <aires> Quest-Master: Thank you for the advice...
[02:27] <jono> right
[02:27] <jono> where do I report bugs in hoary
[02:27] <jono> when I fill in the form there is no package listed for linux-image-2.6.10
[02:27] <tungsten> gimpprint shows up in packages but not in my /var/lib/dpkg/info?
[02:28] <Parallax> cdrdao not cdrao
[02:28] <tungsten> when I try to install the package does the computer first check my local /var for a match is this why I can't add the package?
[02:29] <jono> should I report hoary bugs at bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[02:29] <tungsten> I'm trying to add using apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:29] <housetier> tungsten whats the error message from apt-get?
[02:30] <tungsten> no installation canadate
[02:30] <daniels> jono: yah
[02:31] <jono> daniels, but the package that the bug relates to does not pop up in the packages text box?
[02:31] <tungsten> not available but is referred to by another package
[02:31] <Lect0r> http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623
[02:32] <housetier> tungsten referred to as in "depends"?
[02:32] <tungsten> this may mean the package is missing, has been obsoleted or is available from another source
[02:32] <daniels> jono: oh, right ... just file it on 'linux'
[02:32] <tungsten> the epson c82 is a standard nix printer
[02:33] <tungsten> I must be doing something wrong
[02:33] <jono> daniels, ok cheers
[02:33] <jono> we interviewed mark shuttleworth this morning for LUGRadio :)
[02:33] <housetier> tungsten which package "refers to" cupsys-driver-gimpprint by which means?
[02:33] <outsider1> jono: where do you work?
[02:34] <tungsten> not specified
[02:34] <jono> outsider1, I work at OpenAdvantage (www.openadvantage.org) as a professional open source evangelist
[02:34] <jono> I am also a journalist
[02:34] <outsider1> ah, i know some guys that work for mark
[02:34] <DaNewB> jono, kewl
[02:34] <housetier> tungsten well which package refers to cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[02:35] <daniels> jono: awesome :) how'd it go?
[02:35] <daniels> outsider1: yeah, a couple of them are in here
[02:35] <tungsten> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885&goto=nextnewest
[02:35] <outsider1> daniels: that would make sense ;)
[02:35] <FuNgEx> ZzeCoOl: yes...i'm usign skype
[02:35] <tungsten> I'm trying to use what Mark did
[02:35] <FuNgEx> great app
[02:36] <FuNgEx> sorry for the very late response
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl> i have problem when tying to install k3b
[02:36] <outsider1> who here works for tsf?
[02:36] <FuNgEx> i like that program too
[02:37] <FuNgEx> i'll be using it
[02:37] <FuNgEx> what kind of problem do you get
[02:37] <ZzeCoOl> it says something about the cdrom root priv
[02:37] <housetier> tungsten just on a side note, to make communication easier if you answer a question, add the nickname to it. that makes it easier to find your answers :)
[02:37] <ZzeCoOl> solution ryun k3bsetup
[02:37] <Shimonn> hi, ubuntu's installer in expert mode make me choose for a kernel. i have linux-386 linux-image-386 linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 and linux-image-2.6-386 hiwh one should i use ?
[02:37] <FuNgEx> hmmm ok
[02:37] <ZzeCoOl> but when i run setup it only outpu many errors
[02:37] <jono> daniels, it went really well - we love doing the interviews, and it will be in the show released on monday
[02:37] <housetier> tungsten did you enable the universe repository like mark did?
[02:37] <jono> mark seems like a genuinely good guy
[02:38] <daniels> jono: sweet
[02:38] <tungsten> no
[02:38] <FuNgEx> i'll try that and see how it works for me
[02:38] <FuNgEx> restarting... BRB
[02:38] <ZzeCoOl> also it pop up a windows with the error k3bseup2 command didnt found
[02:38] <ZzeCoOl> k3bsetup2*
[02:38] <housetier> tungsten ok then do what mark did
[02:39] <housetier> tungsten and then try again
[02:39] <Shimonn> hi, ubuntu's installer in expert mode make me choose for a kernel. i have linux-386 linux-image-386 linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 and linux-image-2.6-386 hiwh one should i use ?
[02:39] <tungsten> housetier thanks
[02:40] <globetek>  error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sourceforge_3.1-17_all.deb
[02:40] <jcspray> Shimonn: linux-image-386
[02:41] <jcspray> Shimonn: in fact they will all end up with the same kernel installed, but with the more general package you get automatic upgrades.
[02:41] <jcspray> Shimonn: Also, as an 'expert' shouldn't you know ;-)
[02:41] <madsen> Hmm, wtf do I do when the fuse module gives me:
[02:41] <madsen> fuse: Unknown symbol __per_cpu_offset
[02:41] <madsen> fuse: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock
[02:41] <madsen> fuse: Unknown symbol _spin_lock
[02:41] <madsen> ?
[02:41] <globetek> i'm beginning to th ink that there's some probs with scripts in deb packages
[02:41] <globetek> mm
[02:41] <Shimonn> i used expert mode as my network card didn't work with simple mode
[02:42] <Shimonn> and it seems it still doesn't work
[02:42] <FuNgEx> Back
[02:42] <FuNgEx> my skype installation failled
[02:43] <madsen> FuNgEx: How did you try to install it?
[02:43] <Shimonn> i had a message telling the tulip module (for the ethernet card) couldn't be loaded.
[02:43] <FuNgEx> the same way they had on ubuntuguide.org#skype
[02:44] <madsen> FuNgEx: Isn't there an RPM for it?
[02:44] <FuNgEx> yes
[02:44] <madsen> FuNgEx: Then just convert that to a .deb pkg with 'alien' and install it. :)
[02:44] <gomez> Hello, I've upgraded to Hoary and X won't start - it pauses for a long time and then gives "giving up, Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server, No such process (errno 3): server error"
[02:44] <madsen> FuNgEx: Worked great on Debian
[02:44] <FuNgEx> but that was for suse
[02:44] <gomez> help!
[02:45] <FuNgEx> madsen, i'm new to linux...
[02:45] <FuNgEx> this is my first distro
[02:45] <tritium> globetek, not a global problem.  Occasionally is some packages, there can be problems.
[02:45] <madsen> FuNgEx: Doesn't matter, try it out. :) It can't hurt. You can always uninstall it again.
[02:45] <FuNgEx> ok
[02:46] <Shimonn> i had a message telling the tulip module (for the ethernet card) couldn't be loaded. why ?
[02:46] <FuNgEx> madsen, there are various rpm's
[02:46] <tritium> My debian sid installation could detect CUPS printers on the network.  My ubuntu can't detect any.
[02:46] <FuNgEx> SUse etc etc...
[02:47] <madsen> FuNgEx: Just install 'alien' (it should be in the packages list) and then get the RPM and do 'alien skype-xxxxx.rpm' and then 'dpkg -i skype_xxxxx.deb' (where the x's are replaced by the rest of the file name.
[02:47] <FuNgEx> VERY SILLY QUESTION: how can i then install .deb files?
[02:47] <madsen> FuNgEx: Go after a RedHat if possible.
[02:47] <madsen> FuNgEx: -^ :)
[02:47] <tritium> FuNgEx, dpkg -i package.deb
[02:48] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, didnt I tell you that already?
[02:48] <FuNgEx> SUse, Fedora or Mandrake
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: there is also an X way easier :) it called "kpackage"
[02:48] <madsen> FuNgEx: http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-fc2 <- That one I guess is best.
[02:49] <FuNgEx> ok thx...
[02:49] <madsen> FuNgEx: np :)
[02:49] <madsen> Now, how do I resolve this '"unresolved symbols" in the fuse module'-problem?
[02:49] <gomez> anyone have any ideas about the problem I'm having?
[02:50] <gomez> madsen: is it a module compiled for your kernel version?
[02:50] <madsen> gomez: Yup
[02:50] <scizzo> gomez: sounds like a broken X server
[02:50] <madsen> gomez: Compiled against the headers of my current kernel.
[02:50] <scizzo> gomez: you should check the config
[02:51] <gomez> scizzo: yeah, I'm not sure how Xorg differs and so what I'll need to modify
[02:51] <madsen> Sorry, it's "unknown symbol".
[02:51] <scizzo> gomez: if you are using xserver-xorg you should look to see if there is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or if you are using XFree86 check the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:52] <scizzo> gomez: dpkg -l | grep xserver-
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> hey all.
[02:52] <FuNgEx> madsen: in case i need to unistall it should be dpkg -?
[02:52] <scizzo> gomez: find out if you have xserver-xorg or if you are still using xserver-xfree86
[02:52] <madsen> gomez: I solved "unknown symbol vfs_permission" by replacing 'vfs_permission' with 'generic_permission' in the source... But I can't find any calls to any of the new "unknown symbols" in the source. :/
[02:52] <madsen> FuNgEx: dpkg --purge   if I recall correct.
[02:53] <scizzo> madsen: that doesn't really uninstall
[02:53] <ZzeCoOl> Guys i want to ask you something (first i want to tell you that i love linux) :) and now listen we all some day say That m$ sucks and have bugs and crashes and blah blah unstable etc.I think the same and more happen to linux every day ......
[02:53] <scizzo> its better to do apt-get remove package
[02:53] <madsen> scizzo: That leaves the conf-files...
[02:53] <madsen> apt-get remove --purge
[02:53] <scizzo> if you want to purge everything (remove configs etc) apt-get remove --purge package
[02:53] <madsen> yeah! :)
[02:54] <FuNgEx> scizzo: to install can i use apt-get also?
[02:54] <gomez> scizzo: it's xorg
[02:54] <scizzo> FuNgEx: apt-get install
[02:54] <scizzo> FuNgEx: man apt-get
[02:54] <madsen> FuNgEx: Not on a local .deb file
[02:54] <ZzeCoOl> the only sure is that if you setup something properly in linux ....it gonna work maybe for years
[02:54] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:54] <madsen> scizzo: He's installing skype from RPM converted with alien. :)
[02:55] <cafeina> hello
[02:55] <FuNgEx> ok
[02:55] <madsen> ZzeCoOl: Well, the point is that everything crashes if you don't configure it properly... Linux just let's you actually configure things properly...
[02:55] <eruin> anyone know the status of coaster in ubuntu?
[02:55] <scizzo> then he needs dpkg to do the work
[02:55] <cafeina> anybody knows if it'spossible to install lilo as boot manager for ubuntu ?
[02:55] <eruin> I see the src deb, but anctiously awaiting a binary one
[02:55] <eruin> x'
[02:55] <madsen> scizzo: Yup, told him already. :)
[02:56] <gomez> madsen: I'm not too familiar with fuse - is it a patch to the mainline kernel or just a separate module or both? was the version of fuse you have verified to work with your kernel version?
[02:56] <madsen> gomez: It should work with 2.6.10, it's a separate module (File system in USErspace).
[02:56] <tungsten> housetier thanks epson c82 works perfectly
[02:57] <madsen> gomez: I've got it working on a 2.6.8 kernel in debian...
[02:58] <gomez> madsen: well, modules are in kernel space - I just was wondering if fuse included a patch to other sources in-tree...
[02:58] <scizzo> madsen: but then he just needs to do: dpkg -r -P package
[02:58] <scizzo> :)
[02:58] <Shimonn> it's the second time i install ubuntu, my ethernet card still not work. it works without problems with the live CD
[02:58] <FuNgEx> scizzo: what is that
[02:58] <FuNgEx> ?
[02:58] <scizzo> -r = remove
[02:58] <scizzo> -P = purge
[02:59] <scizzo> for removing the package
[02:59] <FuNgEx> Skype uses qt :(
[02:59] <FuNgEx> i will install it
[03:00] <eruin> skype is hyped
[03:00] <BockBilbo> whats that eruin
[03:00] <BockBilbo> ?
[03:01] <Shimonn> my network doesn't work with ubuntu 4.10. what to do ?
[03:01] <eruin> BockBilbo: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hype
[03:01] <shmoolik> is there any tarzip gui program ?
[03:02] <BockBilbo> hehe
[03:02] <BockBilbo> lol
[03:02] <cafeina> Shimonn : tried ifconfig eth0 ?
[03:02] <brianm> hi all, anyone managed to get ubuntu booting off of an external usb drive for a powerbook?
[03:02] <cafeina> what do you get ?
[03:02] <Shimonn> yes
[03:02] <Shimonn> i just installed ubuntu for the second time
[03:02] <BockBilbo> Shimonn, dhclient eth0 ??
[03:03] <cafeina> Shimonn, did you set default route ?
[03:03] <madsen> gomez: Nope, no patch, no nothing...
[03:03] <Shimonn> ubuntu does not receive the DHCP sever's answer
[03:03] <BockBilbo> mm thats wierd
[03:03] <eruin> shmoolik: file-roller ?
[03:03] <BockBilbo> Shimonn it worked perfect for me ...
[03:03] <gomez> madsen: you're using the fuse-source package?
[03:03] <tritium> How can I get the gnome-cups-manager to see the printers available over the network?  My DHCP server provides WINS servers, and samba-common is configured to use them.
[03:03] <shmoolik> eruin,  thanks
[03:04] <madsen> gomez: Nope, tried that, didn't work, but the latest sources doesn't either. :/
[03:04] <Shimonn> i posted my problem here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9860
[03:04] <BockBilbo> is it possible to add applications to the appplication menu in Hoary???
[03:04] <gomez> madsen: could even be a bug - maybe a compiler mismatch (?)
[03:05] <madsen> gomez: Hmm, would that give 'unknown symbol'?
[03:05] <maja> who can help me with setting up my fresh system?
[03:05] <madsen> gomez: I mean, the first "unknown symbol" problem was solved by altering the source.
[03:05] <gomez> madsen: try googling for it (then with 'fuse' too)...
[03:06] <madsen> gomez: Already tried... Absolutely nothing at all...
[03:06] <Shimonn> with DHCP, ARP or anything, my Ubuntu can send requests, but never receive the answer
[03:06] <madsen> gomez: googling solved the first problem, but the 3 latter it returns nothing on.
[03:06] <gomez> madsen: maybe you're the first to notice!
[03:06] <maja> hello! anyone?
[03:07] <gomez> madsen: you're just too bleeding edge
[03:07] <madsen> gomez: lol!
[03:07] <gomez> maja: what needs setting up in particular?
[03:07] <madsen> gomez: Well, I guess it should be solvable, but I just don't know how... I'm not a kernel-hacker... Unfortunately...
[03:07] <maja> gomez: (shh) i want to install that other de
[03:08] <madsen> maja: WHAT? KDE? :-p
[03:08] <gomez> maja: just ask... I have no experience myself. Have you checked the forums or wiki?
[03:09] <kensai> I need help. I use warty and the internet conecction works just fine but I upgraded to hoary and it killed my internet conection just once more. When Ubuntu is booting and says Synchronizing Clock is says temporaly failiure in name resoulution. What can this be?
[03:09] <maja> madsen: :-$
[03:09] <maja> gomez: no...
[03:10] <madsen> maja: 'apt-get install kde' doesn't work?
[03:10] <gomez> maja: I'm sure it's well documented - heck, there's even talk of kubuntu
[03:10] <Shimonn> Is Ubuntu's kernel buggy ? why could my ethernet card work with Ubuntu LiveCD but not Ubuntu 4.10 ? could using 'testing' solve the problem ?
[03:10] <BockBilbo> gomez, do you use hoary?
[03:10] <gomez> BockBilbo: trying to
[03:10] <BockBilbo> mmm
[03:10] <gomez> BockBilbo: X won't start
[03:10] <BockBilbo> oh... :s
[03:10] <tritium> anybody have gnome-cups-manager detecting network printers?
[03:11] <madsen> gomez: I had that problem too... But I can't remember what solved it. Sorry.
[03:11] <BockBilbo> tritium, is it supposed to detect them?
[03:12] <tritium> BockBilbo, it should...
[03:12] <tritium> My debian unstable system did.
[03:12] <BockBilbo> mm
[03:12] <BockBilbo> ok.. hold on
[03:12] <BockBilbo> ill tel you if mine does
[03:12] <BockBilbo> brb
[03:13] <maja> hey!!! i dont know my root pass!!!
[03:13] <maja> what the?
[03:13] <gomez> maja: there is none
[03:13] <maja> how can i get it?
[03:13] <gomez> maja: sudo is your friend
[03:14] <gomez> maja: `sudo root-command` && type YOUR password
[03:14] <madsen> maja: Or "sudo -s -H" to open somthing not unlike "su -". :)
[03:15] <FuNgEx> For everyone: thx you... skype working
[03:15] <madsen> maja: And still, YOUR passwd.
[03:15] <madsen> FuNgEx: Great! :)
[03:15] <maja> but i want a root pass
[03:15] <maja> and anyone can do that???
[03:15] <Pluk> sudo passwd
[03:16] <Pluk> that way you can set the root passsword
[03:16] <maja> thnx
[03:17] <madsen> maja: Only users listed in /etc/sudoers can sudo to root... By default it's only the account you created during install.
[03:18] <madsen> Hah!  If you can avoid using it, do that.
[03:19] <BockBilbo> i tried to configure it manually
[03:19] <tritium> What kind of network printer do you have?
[03:19] <maja> gomez: i know... thanks
[03:20] <BockBilbo> wow.... hold on... i dont have a ntwork printer, i have a printer in a remote host
[03:20] <gomez> heh! /etc/X11/X is pointing to /bin/true!
[03:20] <tritium> ok
[03:20] <madsen> gomez: Lol! Great! Fuse2 isn't compatible with siefs, so I actually can't use it. :/ :(
[03:21] <madsen> gomez: Heh, guess you got your X now. :)
[03:21] <madsen> Hi Cloudchaser! :)
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> hiya
[03:21] <gomez> madsen: not yet. rather than just change the symlink, I'd like to know why...
[03:21] <pera> is it possible to dowload a beta ubuntu release?
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> fancy meeting you here :)
[03:22] <madsen> gomez: Hehe, I see. :)
[03:22] <madsen> Cloudchaser: :) I'm on Ubuntu atm... Trying to make it work with my phone, so I won't have to install Windows. *brr*
[03:22] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you know how to add app shortcuts to the application menu in hoary?
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> ah good luck!
[03:22] <madsen> Cloudchaser: I didn't know you were into Ubuntu.
[03:22] <madsen> Cloudchaser: Thanks :)
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> i installed it a few weeks or so ago
[03:23] <madsen> Cloudchaser: What do you think of it?
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> i like it for the most part
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> few things are a little wonky i think but mostly its good
[03:23] <madsen> Cloudchaser: Hehe, /me too... Some things just aren't right ... yet, but it'll get there eventually.
[03:24] <pera> hi all, do you know if it's possible to install ubuntu over a nvidia RAID system (nforce4)
[03:25] <cetanhota> redhat fedora user here. switching to ubuntu. a bit of a learning curve, but worth it so far. I like what I have see todate.
[03:26] <gomez> yeah, seems residual config from xserver-xfree86 prevents xserver-xorg from seizing control...
[03:27] <daniels> that bug's weird, and I haven't figured out how to trigger it or why it happens yet
[03:27] <daniels> if there's nothing left, xorg should seize ownership
[03:27] <daniels> if xfree86 purges and xorg is installed, it should hand over to xorg
[03:28] <daniels> then again, those scripts are gargantuan and obtuse, so mere mortals have no hope of ever understanding how or why they work/don't work
[03:29] <gomez> daniels: heh :)
[03:29] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, I haven't yet tried...
[03:30] <gomez> daniels: also, might be a silly question, but why is my desktop having refresh issues? is it a composite manager thing or something?
[03:30] <daniels> gomez: define 'refresh issues'
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> having red X's for icons.. which folder in do you remove to fix this?
[03:31] <gomez> daniels: bakcground present but nautilus icons missing until mouse over
[03:31] <daniels> gomez: ugh.  what chipset?
[03:31] <gomez> daniels: also, everything is slow as hell
[03:31] <daniels> (please don't say 'i810')
[03:31] <daniels> if you're running composite, this *will* happen.
[03:32] <gomez> daniels: TNT... also using 'nvidia' driver (don't hurt me!)
[03:32] <ycco> I've got a printer setup downstairs on my desktop, and I'd like to be able to print to it from my laptop.  How could I accomplish this?  (I know I need to setup that printer to be a network printer but I don'tknow how).  I searched the wiki but couldn't find anything useful.
[03:33] <bob2> composite made my system slow!1
[03:33] <gomez> daniels: as this is my first exposure to xorg, I'm not really aware of all the issues - I've read about a few but of course they didn't mean much to me at the time...
[03:33] <gomez> daniels: disabling composite?
[03:34] <globetek> xorg ?
[03:34] <madsen> gomez: Unless you want drop-shadows and alpha-blending.
[03:34] <globetek> it's possible to use xorg in ubuntu?
[03:34] <madsen> globetek: It's standard in Hoary
[03:34] <pera> I've read of conflicts between rivafb and nvidia driver...
[03:35] <daniels> gomez: composite is disabled by default
[03:35] <pera> mayne it's this...
[03:36] <gomez> daniels: I thought I remembered reading that. 'nv' works well btw
[03:36] <HostingGeek> <-- Shimonn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu IMPOSTER i am hanting after him
[03:36] <gomez> daniels: (not surprisingly)
[03:36] <ycco> :/
[03:39] <daniels> gomez: heh, i blame the nvidia driver, then
[03:39] <gomez> daniels: also, thanks for all your hard work
[03:39] <gomez> daniels: hoary is looking very nice
[03:39] <daniels> HostingGeek: two people can conceivably have the same name -- remember how we talked about you calming down and tryong to *constructively* contribute?  i don't see that.
[03:39] <sid77> hi
[03:39] <daniels> gomez: thanks a lot :) hoary is mostly done by Keybuk, it seems
[03:40] <BockBilbo> wel. bye!!!
[03:40] <BockBilbo> thanks all
[03:40] <bob2> haha
[03:47] <hezekiah> I'm having trouble with bitmap fonts in Hoary... all bitmap fonts (LucidaTypewriter and Terminus are the two I care about at the moment) are displayed in bold, even when they are set to normal
[03:47] <zAo^> how do I change my MSN nick in Gaim (1.1.1) ?
[03:47] <tritium> I found it on the forums: changing the "Browsing" option from "Off" to "On" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf enabled auto-detection of network printers!
[03:50] <DaNewB> zAo^, in the Buddy List window, Tools->Account Actions->Set Friendly Name
[03:50] <DaNewB> zAo^, if that's what you mean
[03:51] <zAo^> thanks you very much DaNewB
[03:51] <DaNewB> zAo^, np :)
[03:51] <felixdz> I am having problems getting my webcam going...
[03:53] <TheWeeg> Hi all.  I'm having a minor problem.  I just added a printer in gnome with the gnome-cups-add dialog, and it is printing fine, but there are two problems:  The mouse starts sputtering and moving around in a slow and jerky fashion while anything is on the print queue, and in addition, the print queue is never cleared out after a job is finished.  Jobs just sit there until they are manually deleted.
[03:53] <felixdz> I am trying to install qc-usb but get this error: make: *** [qc-driver.o]  Error 1
[03:59] <zAo^> # apt-cache search qc-usb
[04:03] <felixdz> Found and installed qc-usb-source qc-usb-utils
[04:04] <guugmember> Does the installation of ubuntu includes kernel tools?
[04:05] <tritium> guugmember, what kind of tools do you mean?
[04:05] <felixdz> How do I use these packages?
[04:06] <tritium> felixdz, did you read the docs that came with them?
[04:06] <guugmember> tritium, the tools that RH displays in their installation
[04:06] <tritium> guugmember, which are those?
[04:07] <tritium> felixdz, look in /usr/share/doc/<package-name>
[04:07] <Kirsch> hey guys, where is the network-admin settings stored?
[04:07] <Kirsch> the extra profiles?
[04:07] <felixdz> Thanks I'll write that down
[04:07] <tritium> felixdz, dpkg -L <package-name> lists all the files in a package.  You'll see that most have documentation in /usr/share/doc
[04:08] <FuNgEx> Can't wait to have hoary in my hands (computer)
[04:08] <FuNgEx> :D
[04:08] <tritium> in other cases, documentation is a separate package (e.g. grub-doc)
[04:09] <pusling> what is the minimun cpu for a realistic warty installation? 500 mzh ?
[04:10] <Kirsch> pusling: probably
[04:11] <cetanhota> have warty on a PII 400Mhz laptop. Not to bad performance
[04:14] <FuNgEx> I'm going to stick with this distro for quite a time
[04:15] <Kirsch> yea, its great
[04:15] <FuNgEx> First Experience First Love :d
[04:15] <Kirsch> been using it for 2months now...
[04:15] <FuNgEx> been using it for 2 days
[04:15] <Kirsch> its good heh
[04:15] <FuNgEx> could not find nothing that i could not do.... yet
[04:15] <DaNewB> hey, is there a way (logs?) to find out how long i've been using Ubuntu?
[04:15] <Kirsch> yet... there are small things that i have pet peeves about... but i don't think its ubuntu's problem
[04:15] <DaNewB> Kirsch, there is always small things...
[04:16] <FuNgEx> for developing with mono and so on
[04:16] <Kirsch> Yea...
[04:16] <felixdz> I am now running ./quickcam.sh...
[04:16] <FuNgEx> i'm having quite a good time
[04:16] <Kirsch> i hate network-admin
[04:16] <pusling> cetanhota: how much ram du you have in that laptop?
[04:16] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, mono is in backports
[04:16] <FuNgEx> yes i know
[04:17] <felixdz> I get this error....awk: cannot open /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build/include/linux/version.h (No such file or directory)
[04:17] <cetanhota> pusling, 228Mb
[04:17] <FuNgEx> No error though
[04:17] <pusling> cetanhota: funny amount ..
[04:17] <FuNgEx> DaNewB: I want to install KDevelop, do you adise it?
[04:17] <FuNgEx> advise
[04:18] <cetanhota> pulsing, its an older compaq. I may be wrong on the amount, but its not 256Mb I could pull it out to get the exact if you ned.
[04:18] <pusling> cetanhota: not that important. Just planning a ubuntu-install-party and will write the minimum requirements in the invitation
[04:19] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, never used Kdevelop... it seems quite powerfull
[04:19] <cetanhota> got ya.
[04:19] <Freduardo> cetanhota, probably because a small part of it is shared video memory or something like that
[04:19] <pusling> cetanhota: but 128 or 196 or 256 would seem more realistic ;)
[04:19] <Freduardo> so in fact you do have 256
[04:20] <cetanhota> you know I never thought about the shared video ram. man I am out of it sometimes.
[04:21] <FuNgEx> DaNewB: i mean
[04:21] <Freduardo> heh, for a long time I believed I had a "special" amount of ram too
[04:21] <Kirsch> lol "special"??
[04:21] <FuNgEx> being ubuntu gnome based, can i install kdevelop without messing or installing many unwanted things into my system?
[04:21] <Freduardo> then a friend of mine explaind it to me
[04:22] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, I think it will install a lot of KDE specific libs..
[04:22] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, but messing your system?
[04:22] <tritium> FuNgEx, try apt-get install kdevelop -s (simulate only) to find out
[04:23] <felixdz> Where is the kernel-source in ubuntu?
[04:23] <Freduardo> I've installed k3b without any problems
[04:23] <srid> where is the bot here?
[04:23] <srid> like dpkg
[04:23] <Freduardo> had to make a launcher though
[04:23] <srid> ok, is there any good k3b alternative? just to keep off from kde's
[04:23] <pusling> FuNgEx: try apt-get install kdevelop - you can always answer no if it will install too many packages ;)
[04:24] <pusling> kde is kool ;)
[04:24] <tritium> (or use the -s switch to simply simulate what it would do without actually doing it)
[04:24] <srid> kde is a krap ;)
[04:24] <hezekiah> FuNgEx: Sorry if you've already had this mentioned, but have you tried Anjuta?  If you're interested in sticky with GTK/Gnome stuff, I actually prefer Anjuta to KDevelop
[04:24] <felixdz> srid I've used xcdroast in the past. Bit dated now though
[04:24] <srid> yes, anjuta+glade
[04:25] <DaNewB> srid, nautilus can burn data CD/DVDs very well
[04:25] <srid> felixdz, xcdroast is getting stuck in the middle of startup
[04:25] <srid> 'in reading cds'
[04:25] <srid> DagaZ, problem is nautilus is showing 4x as max speed for my 52x cdwriter
[04:25] <srid> otherwise i would use nautilus
[04:25] <felixdz> Never had any trouble with it.
[04:25] <srid> and it misses multisession burning too
[04:26] <srid> felixdz, in ubuntu wiki there is a mention of new gnome cdwriting app (not coaster)
[04:26] <Freduardo> srid,  read something about a program called "mister burns" on the ubuntu forums
[04:26] <Freduardo> haven't tried it out though
[04:26] <DaNewB> srid, there is something called cdrtoaster or gtoaster (i dont know how good it is)
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> gnomebaker
[04:27] <srid> yes
[04:27] <srid> i would love to see a .deb for that
[04:30] <FuNgEx> DaNewB: Know where to get info about udev?
[04:30] <t31> hi everyone again me :) under ubuntu, got a problem :P i cant see the rest of my partitions
[04:31] <t31> only the ubuntu main one and as /
[04:31] <bretzel> t31: sudo fdisk -l  ??
[04:31] <t31> the partitions r ok i was under xp a minute ago
[04:31] <Freduardo> probably have to add them in /etc/fstab
[04:32] <t31> mm sorry im completely newbie, how can i do it Freduardo?
[04:32] <froust> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[04:32] <Freduardo> open an terminal window
[04:32] <froust> then hit insert to add text
[04:32] <froust> then :wq to save and quit
[04:32] <t31> done
[04:33] <t31> but what i have to write, nothing?
[04:33] <bretzel> t31: what partitions are missing that u were used to see ?
[04:33] <srid> t31, u can also use 'gedit' instead of 'vi'
[04:33] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, not really
[04:34] <srid> or 'cream'
[04:34] <Freduardo> you want to see your windows partition?
[04:34] <t31> i got this
[04:34] <t31> #
[04:34] <t31> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[04:34] <t31> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hda7       none            swap    sw              0       0
[04:34] <DaNewB> srid, burning audio cds with command-line tools is easy
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:34] <t31> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:34] <t31> sorry for add all
[04:35] <t31> :P
[04:35] <froust> mmmm... fstab
[04:35] <bretzel> t31: like Freduardo said: you want to see your Windos disk ?
[04:35] <t31> yeap
[04:35] <DaNewB> srid, check this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation
[04:36] <bretzel> t31: try fdisk -l in the terminal window
[04:36] <t31> in a sg
[04:36] <bretzel> sudo fdisk -l
[04:36] <t31> yes everything is there, and now?
[04:37] <bretzel> t31: You want what fdisk listed /dev/hd? near the end the type is vfat or ntfs/hpfs
[04:37] <kensai> can the hoary live cd be installed to HDD?
[04:37] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: I will try that
[04:38] <kensai> the one that gnoppix releases
[04:38] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: sorry for the late answer
[04:38] <bretzel> afk for 30 dec.
[04:38] <t31> one hpfs/ntfs and one fat32
[04:38] <FuNgEx> pusling: yeah kde is cool... but i prefer gnome
[04:39] <ACID|net> hey all, i know this might sound a silly question, but is there anyway to use my laptop as a screen for the mac mini??
[04:39] <DaNewB> kensai, no, you need the install CD
[04:39] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: my only problem is that, i have one project where everyone use suse and kdevelop
[04:39] <bretzel> t31: the beggining of line where fat32 is you should see "/dev/hdxy" where x is the letter hda if I read your fstab, and the y is the partition number
[04:39] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: changing would be problematic
[04:40] <pusling> ACID|net: how does the mac mini work ?
[04:40] <tritium> ACID|net, you could always run VNC on the macmini and a vncviewer on your laptop, and network them.
[04:40] <tritium> but that's probably not what you had in mind
[04:40] <t31> bretzel: my windows r hda1 xp and hda8 fat32
[04:41] <hezekiah> FuNgEx: Ah, I see.  I'm not sure how that would work out then, I don't know how easily you can move back and forth between the two.  They both use autotools for building and whatnot, but I think the default project structures are different.
[04:41] <ACID|net> tritium: the mac mini is just a normal pc, just sold without kvm
[04:41] <bretzel> t31: good now i think you don't have a directory where those partitions can be mounted: if it is that case you can "sudo mkdir /mnt/xpfs /mnt/xpfat32" the dir name are suggestions ...
[04:42] <tritium> ACID|net, I know.
[04:42] <FuNgEx> well the end interest is the code... but not messing with file formats and everything else would be swell
[04:42] <t31> bretzel: writting in a sg i tell you
[04:42] <ACID|net> tritium: i know i can get my laptop screen on another monitor, but can i have it in aswell?
[04:42] <bretzel> ? sg ? sorry dunno what you mean by "sg"
[04:43] <tritium> ACID|net, can you rephrase that?  I don't quite get what you're asking.
[04:43] <t31> bretzel: seconds :P im from spain :P it says cant create couse mnt already exists :P
[04:44] <hezekiah> FuNgEx: You should be able to edit the same code and such, but I don't know what kinds of problems could come up from having different build settings and other prefs.  Either way, good luck with it
[04:44] <t31> bretzel: hold a second, im reaaaaaally clumpsy
[04:45] <bretzel> t31 did you wrote: "mkdir /mnt/xpfs /mnt/xpfat32" ? indeed dir /mnt/ already exists, but I guest /mnt/xpfs don't
[04:45] <__learner__> I still don't know how to properly configure my refresh rate
[04:45] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: thx
[04:45] <t31> bretzel: done i missed one slash :P
[04:45] <bretzel> don't forget sudo before mkdir
[04:45] <bretzel> ok
[04:46] <froust> __learner__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:46] <froust> (or replace xfree86 with xorg if you use xorg)
[04:46] <ACID|net> tritium: Well, i have a monitor port on my laptop, and i want to use it to display the mac
[04:46] <bretzel> do ls /mnt to see the two subdirs has been created
[04:47] <t31> bretzel: the both u told me, and only them
[04:47] <__learner__> froust: what that will do? I changed Xfree86 file and I could get 85hz, but my monitor supports more than 100.
[04:47] <bretzel> good
[04:47] <tritium> ACID|net, I don't know of a direct way to do that with the laptop not having a video connector, but as I mentioned earlier, you could use VNC.
[04:47] <__learner__> do you think that would solve the problem/
[04:47] <bretzel> now fire gedit: "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[04:47] <froust> learner- it's a nice program that will help you configure
[04:47] <tritium> It's not terribly fast, though.
[04:47] <bretzel> back in 10 seconds...
[04:47] <t31> bretzel: hit! :)
[04:48] <froust> you're runnun ubuntu right?
[04:48] <tritium> ACID|net, so set up a small network (even just a CAT-5 patch cable between the macmini and your laptop), and it would work.
[04:49] <bretzel> t31: you can position the cursor at the end of the file and enter -- wait
[04:49] <ACID|net> yeah might do that
[04:49] <ACID|net> and it will be quick?
[04:50] <bretzel> this line: /dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs     ntfs    defaults,umask=0555 0  0
[04:50] <t31> bretzel: done
[04:50] <sandor> I have a question regarding wireless
[04:51] <brad-> Does the latest LiveCD have palm kernel modules and conduits for evolution 2 on it?
[04:51] <bretzel> and then this line below :    /dev/hdb8       /xp_share       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0
[04:51] <bretzel> oops /dev/hda8       /xp_share       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0
[04:51] <ycco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter   I've done this... (added my local network:  10.10.0.x )   and restarted cupsys    I tried to add the printer remotely and It didn't print.   I added it via the gnome printing tool.   ipp://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[04:51] <brad-> XP on a FAT partition eh
[04:51] <ycco> anyone have any ideas why it's not working?
[04:51] <brad-> that's an explosive combination
[04:51] <bretzel> arrrg!!!!! /dev/hdb8       /xpfat32       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0   --- rather I took from mine :-0
[04:52] <tritium> ACID|net, not like connecting a monitor to a VGA or DVI port, but it will work.
[04:53] <bretzel> this line:::!!! /dev/hda8       /xpfat32       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0
[04:53] <tritium> ACID|net, you're familiar with VNC?
[04:53] <bretzel> sorry t31, I messed up the text
[04:53] <ACID|net> yeah, but only over the internet - not on local
[04:53] <tritium> okay
[04:53] <t31> bretzel:dont worry, great u help me so much
[04:53] <sandor> my wireless was working, then deleted it cause my Ethernet net would not working and then I tried to add it and it  wont enable
[04:53] <t31> bretzel: i did it
[04:54] <bretzel> t21: WIAIT!!!!!  I mistaken you with wrong text!!!
[04:54] <tritium> I'd use a macmini with an HDTV
[04:54] <brad-> bretzel: Dude.
[04:54] <bretzel> please read and redo the lines:
[04:54] <bretzel> hahahaha!
[04:54] <t31> bretzel: ok ok :)
[04:55] <t31> bretzel by the way tell me as well how to get the other linux partition here couse this is chinese for me now :P
[04:55] <ACID|net> i dont know weather i should buy an mac mini or an imac (at uni, dont really want to keep taking monitors home but could do it)
[04:55] <bretzel> t31: /dev/hda1    /mnt/xpfs    ntfs   defaults,umask=0555 0  0  --- for the first line
[04:55] <ACID|net> only got laptop here atm
[04:55] <tritium> macmini is tempting for the price
[04:55] <ACID|net> i really dont know what i should do,  i can afford both - its just the roon
[04:56] <bretzel> and then /dev/hda8    /mnt/xpfat32 vfat defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0     --- for the scond line :-) :-) sorry
[04:56] <t31> bretzel: that one is like u said, done
[04:56] <ACID|net> gettign a new TFT For my room back home tho so i could use the mini at home on a proper monitor with bluetooth keyboard, and vnc when at uni maybe
[04:56] <tritium> ACID|net, do you have a decent TV?  You could display at least 640x480 on a TV
[04:56] <t31> bretzel: got it
[04:56] <daniels> ntsc specifies 640x480 and pal 800x600, iirc
[04:57] <ACID|net> tritium: I have a 15" PAL
[04:57] <sandor> any one have any ideas on what to do to get my wireless to work I know the router is working other comps are conected
[04:57] <bretzel> save the file and go back to the console window, then type : sudo mount -a
[04:57] <tritium> ACID|net, then, I think daniels is correct that you could get 800x600
[04:58] <t31> bretzel: mount: mount point /xpfat32 does not exist and says i have no permisions to see xpfs
[04:59] <ACID|net> thats not bad
[04:59] <t31> bretzel: now i have an icon with the xp partition but says cant mount
[04:59] <bretzel> that is the errornous line I gave the first time to you :-(
[04:59] <ACID|net> i like the idea of using vnc at uni and TFT + bluetooth at home
[04:59] <t31> bretzel: x(
[04:59] <lonewolff> hi there does anyone know why ubuntu would change my resolv.conf to the info broadcast by our dhcp server even though i have told the ubuntu machine to use a static ip and set up dns on it?
[04:59] <lonewolff> it is REALLY annoying it keeps changing my resolv.conf so i cant get online
[05:00] <t31> hold on a sg i roll back in the irc screen and try to remake it all
[05:00] <bretzel> the right text in /etc/fstab must be: /dev/hda8 /mnt/xpfat32 vfat defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0 --- for the fat32 partition
[05:00] <tritium> lonewolff, probably resolvconf is doing that
[05:01] <t31> bretzel: corrected :)
[05:01] <lonewolff> i dont have resolvconf installed (unless ubuntu installed it during install)
[05:01] <t31> bretzel: i can see the fat32 one
[05:01] <tritium> lonewolff, I think it's installed by default.
[05:02] <bretzel> tri31: it is my fault :-)  ok for the ntfs partition -- me too I can't read the partition as a user - only as root, maybe someone can tell what attr should be given in fstab ?
[05:02] <tritium> lonewolff, dpkg -l resolvconf would tell you
[05:02] <sandor> my wireless was working, then deleted it cause my Ethernet net would not working and then I tried to add it and it  wont enable
[05:02] <t31> bretzel:np i will find out, could u help me with the knoppix one? if it isnt to ask for too much O:)
[05:02] <lonewolff> tritium: ah ic it is installed
[05:03] <lonewolff> apt-get remove resolvconf ?
[05:03] <Freduardo> t31, bretzel: what line did you put in fstab?
[05:03] <Freduardo> for the ntfs I mean
[05:03] <bretzel> t31: you can the fat32, and you should be able to write on it also : -)  - for the ntfs partition, it is not yet possible to write on it. but  --- Freduardo:
[05:03] <t31> /dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs       ntfs    defaults,umask=0555 0   0
[05:03] <t31> freduardo:/dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs       ntfs    defaults,umask=0555 0   0
[05:04] <bretzel> Freduardo:  defaults,umask=0555 0  0
[05:04] <tritium> lonewolff, well, you could try it, I guess.
[05:04] <Freduardo> hmm, ive got : ro,user,umask=0222
[05:04] <tritium> lonewolff, use the "-s" option to simulate it first
[05:04] <bretzel> hehehe: t31: what do you need to know about  knoppix ?
[05:04] <tritium> and see what it's going to do
[05:04] <Freduardo> seems to work fine as user here
[05:05] <bretzel> Freduardo: Not for me too can read ntfs as user ...
[05:05] <lonewolff> hmmm it says resolvconf is not installed when i try to remove it
[05:05] <lonewolff> and if i try to install resolvconf i says its not available
[05:05] <tritium> ?
[05:05] <tritium> strange
[05:05] <t31> freduardo:got it
[05:06] <lonewolff> Package resolvconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:06] <lonewolff> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:06] <lonewolff> is only available from another source
[05:06] <lonewolff> E: Package resolvconf has no installation candidate
[05:06] <t31> bretzel: i have a partition with that distro but i quitted, it is a mess! :P
[05:06] <t31> bretzel,  freduardo: now sudo mount -a again?
[05:06] <tritium> lonewolff, your network interface in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't have "dhcp" specified anywhere?
[05:07] <lonewolff> nope
[05:07] <bretzel> t31: no sudo umount /mnt/xpfs; mount -a
[05:07] <lonewolff> both wireless and wifi use fixed ip addresses
[05:07] <tritium> resolvconf is only supposed to change resolv.conf if dhcp is used anyway
[05:08] <tritium> that's strange
[05:08] <bretzel> t31: the partition with screwed knoppix: what do you want to do with that partition ?
[05:08] <t31> bretzel: cant mount :( /dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs       ntfs    defaults,ro,user,umask=0222 0   0
[05:08] <lonewolff>         # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
[05:08] <lonewolff>         dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:08] <lonewolff>         dns-search gateway.2wire.net
[05:08] <lonewolff>         name Ethernet LAN card
[05:09] <lonewolff>  of the entries (wired lan card) but not under the wireless lan card
[05:09] <bretzel> sudo mount /mnt/xpfs ?
[05:09] <t31> bretzel: sorry that the line i wrote in fstab, the knoppix partition, just to see it
[05:09] <bretzel> maybe sudo is required before each commands :-)
[05:10] <tritium> lonewolff, don't know...
[05:10] <t31> bretzel:  sudo mount /mnt/xpfs
[05:10] <t31> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/xpfs busy
[05:10] <t31> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /mnt/xpfs
[05:10] <randabis> heh
[05:10] <bretzel> t31: you want to see and use the knoppix partition, with no more trace of that knoppix stuff ?
[05:11] <t31> bretzel:if its help the xp partition is showed as a floppy icon
[05:11] <bretzel> t31: for ntfs: ok just redo : sudo umount /mnt/xpfs
[05:11] <SethKinast> speaking of partitions, is there any tool on the knoppix live CD that can merge two NTFS partitions with data on them?
[05:11] <t31> bretzel: yeap done
[05:11] <lonewolff> right i added that under the wireless lan card so ill see if that helps
[05:11] <bretzel> t31: then : sudo mount /mnt/xpfs
[05:11] <t31> bretzel: hehe i did
[05:11] <bretzel> hehehe: is it ok now ?
[05:12] <t31> bretzel: quick ah? :)
[05:12] <bretzel> t31: yep! :-)
[05:12] <t31> bretzel i can see the magical win#@$@#$@#$@#$ partition ntfs :)
[05:12] <tritium> lonewolff, good luck.  I need to get going.  Be back in about an hour.
[05:12] <bretzel> hahaha! as a user ?:-)
[05:12] <t31> bretzel: yes :)
[05:13] <t31> bretzel: if u r not too tired of me we could try the knoppix one O:)
[05:13] <t31> bretzel: i feel nice out of windows :)
[05:14] <t31> bretzel: i feel like a child learning how to write :P
[05:14] <bretzel> t31: for the knoppix partition: if you intent to use that partition as a linux partition ( which is already is ), then you need to do the same thing in /dev/fstab but the type of that partition you will get it by : sudo fdisk -l --- >
[05:14] <randabis> lol
[05:14] <randabis> windows free's the way to be!
[05:14] <t31> bretzel: a "sg" lol :)
[05:15] <bretzel> t31: really pleased! it is a joy to see happy linux  users :-)
[05:15] <MM2> is rescue mode = 1 user mode
[05:16] <bretzel> t31: Then, you want to use the knoppix partition ?
[05:16] <t31> bretzel: /dev/hda6       /mnt/knoppix    ext3    defaults,errors=remount -ro 0 this should be the line?
[05:17] <froust> man ps
[05:17] <froust> hehe... wrong window
[05:18] <bretzel> t31: No, half way done but What I want you to do first is: sudo fdisk -l --- and check the number of the partition type: ( should be 83 for hda6)
[05:19] <t31> bretzel: i did fdisk -l, says /dev/hda6 and yes Id 83
[05:19] <t31> bretzel: i already did sudo mkdir /mnt/knoppix
[05:20] <bretzel> t31: ok , I need to know what usage you want to do with it: wipe out the knoppix data ?
[05:21] <bretzel> t31: and use it for extra disk space for ubuntu ?
[05:21] <t31> bretzel: i dont need the space right now so i want to leave for "experiments" i have a randr error there after half installation of ati driver and a mess jailed in res 640x480
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> hmm
[05:22] <t31> bretzel:but yes in the future i will use it like that, maybe to move the home folder there or just try any other distro
[05:22] <bretzel> t31: you keep knoppix data then, that is good because less work todo :-)
[05:22] <t31> bretzel: :) got workholic with linux anyway :) but u r right :)
[05:23] <t31> bretzel: mainly with apt-get :)
[05:23] <bretzel> t31: fire gedit: sudo gedit /etc/fstab: and if you want to protect the data: no writes to that partition then /dev/hda6       /mnt/knoppix    ext3    defaults,errors=remount -ro 0 is perfect :-)
[05:24] <t31> bretzel: and if i want to write and erase as well?
[05:25] <t31> bretzel:couse is bigger partition maybe just to store or something like that
[05:25] <t31> bretzel:storage, sorry
[05:26] <bretzel> t31: change defauts,-ro to "defaults,user       0       0" -- in fstab :-)
[05:27] <ACID|net> does anyone know if mac os x comes with remote desktop already installed and working??
[05:27] <bretzel> I am not fstab guru, but I think if I read mine it is ok :-)
[05:27] <Keybuk> ACID|net: it depends what you mean.  Do you want to login to your machine remotely, or manipulate an already-logged-in desktop remotely?
[05:27] <trukulo> anyone experiencing problems using pop3 in thunderbird with warty?
[05:27] <gray-lizzard> hello there
[05:27] <t31> bretzel: oki :) now sudo mount /mnt/knoppix?
[05:28] <bretzel> t31: yep! ( let see if it works :-) )
[05:28] <t31> bretzel: lets see, i cant see.. now i try write and erase
[05:29] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, hi :)
[05:29] <Keybuk> ACID|net: the first you configure through the Login Screen Setup dialog (enable TCP connections and XDMCP, from another machine you Xnest -query hostname to get the remote machine's login screen)
[05:29] <Keybuk> ACID|net: the second you configure through the Remote Desktop Preferences dialog
[05:29] <bretzel> t31: not sure rigth of the box if that partition is writeable for users: you need to change permissions on /mnt/knoppix :-) :-)
[05:29] <Keybuk> (and you access through vncviewer)
[05:30] <t31> bretzel: i made a folder and erased, just couldnt move to trash and i had to erase at all
[05:30] <sid77> bye everyone
[05:30] <gray-lizzard> is it possible to have mc in warthy ?
[05:30] <bretzel> t31: Enter the unix/linux fs access world! :-)
[05:30] <gray-lizzard> bye sid77
[05:31] <t31> bretzel: right, and i think im staying for looooooong time, no more palladiums or things like that :)
[05:31] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, you mean Midnight Commander? yes, think so
[05:32] <bretzel> t31:if you want to take time to read docs for: chown; chmod commands, you will learn how to give access for users on each fs units such as regular files and (sub/)dirs ...
[05:33] <t31> bretzel: yeap i have to
[05:34] <bretzel> t31: chown command ( " Change Owner" ) is for ... give a file/or directory to a given user as the owner of that object
[05:34] <gray-lizzard> thnx danewb couldnt find it with dselect ....
[05:34] <t31> bretzel: but now war against rythmbox and totem, they dont play nothing :P and my gf thinks computer is for music and movies just that
[05:34] <gray-lizzard> when u log in without an x runnin meaning a normal terminal how u can do su commands ?
[05:35] <gray-lizzard> if i type su it askes for an passwd ....  ive never typed a root passwd ..:s
[05:35] <t31> bretzel: i think ive been using it with the knoppix couple of days ago, i had a problem running some driver
[05:35] <hezekiah> gray-lizzard: sudo foo
[05:35] <bretzel> t31: I've got great help here about multimedia :-) ( thanks to bob2; randabis; and other I forgot - sorry :-) )
[05:35] <t31> bretzel: i had to do chown +x
[05:35] <gray-lizzard> thnx hezekiah
[05:35] <hezekiah> gray-lizzard: or 'sudo -s' to get to a root prompt.  np
[05:35] <globetek> anyone here prefer compiling progs instead of using packages?
[05:36] <t31> bretzel:im thinking to install vlc
[05:36] <t31> bretzel:it works really fine
[05:37] <globetek> i'm undecided on my review of ubuntu....it's much better than the redhat/mandrake stuff
[05:37] <ACID|net> Keybuk: Well im going to get this mac mini and i wont have a spare monitor so i wanted to do it remotely
[05:37] <bretzel> t31:  yop vlc and all others: gxine;xine;mplayer and co. :-) but you need the synaptic pkg manager tool and add proper repositries...
[05:37] <hezekiah> globetek: I'm a former/still kinda Mandrake person
[05:37] <globetek> i like debian but i can't find a iso of ir that works well
[05:38] <Keybuk> ACID|net: do you know, I entirely missed the "mac os" bit of your original message and read "Ubuntu"
[05:38] <Keybuk> curious
[05:38] <globetek> i'm from freebsd land the only reason i like ubuntu is i can run rosegarden
[05:38] <globetek> and the audicity program
[05:38] <t31> bretzel:with knoppix i just made vi /etc/apt/sources.list add the rep and then apt-get install blabla
[05:39] <t31> bretzel: ubuntu is a sid one right?
[05:39] <gray-lizzard> and does someone knows more or other sources for apt ? r can i use the debian mirrors ?
[05:39] <bretzel> t31: hehehehe I think Ubuntu is the same: /etc/apt/sources.list :-) :-) :-) :-)
[05:39] <globetek> will ubuntu still work with debian packages replacing the ubuntu packages?
[05:40] <bretzel> t31: but some repos are to be carefully checked since Ubuntu has its proper pkg-depends .... But I put some non-ubuntu repositries and it seems to work well :-)
[05:41] <crimsun> globetek: it is highly _not_ recommended to replace Ubuntu packages with their Debian counterparts.
[05:41] <matthias> hi
[05:41] <sanman_nor> I have a problem with  my wireless  lan connection. It worked yesterday, but I could not get my comp to recognize my  ethernet,  so I deleted both and then added them,  starting with the ethernet,  the wireless will not activate,  can any one help me can't find documentation on it...
[05:41] <t31> bretzel: i think somewhere i read with ubuntu u dont have to write the deb-src line but just in case i do
[05:42] <t31> bretzel: u have to write alwasy sudo for such commands like apt-get right?
[05:42] <gray-lizzard> sow t31 u cant us also the debian mirrors for packages eg mc .. ?
[05:42] <bretzel> t31: ask randabis: He is far more Ubuntu guru then me : you know: I am actually a new debian/Ubuntu user :-) :-) :-)!!!! I came from Mandrake/Fedora :-)
[05:43] <t31> bretzel: but in this is better to come from mandrake/fedora rather than from windows
[05:43] <bretzel> t31: yes you have to "sudo" for each apt-get
[05:43] <matthias> i just got linux since yesterdaynight and i want to be able to access my ntfs partitions, so i've written the following to my fstab: "/dev/hda1       /data/hda1      ntfs    defaults        0       0" is that correct? and what do i have to do after saving the file? restart?
[05:43] <hannes__> mount -a
[05:44] <t31> bretzel:great we start with the dependencies i dont have :P
[05:44] <bretzel> t31: yes, it is better from other linux distros. I still need Window$ for extrem gaming and DVD works... :-(
[05:44] <pdkl> use this : /dev/sda1       /WinXP          ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[05:44] <globetek> it just feels wierd having a distro that automaticly configures gui stuff for you
[05:45] <matthias> sda?
[05:45] <t31> bretzel for dvds try with videolan, works really fine, at least it did under knoppix and windows
[05:45] <pdkl> eh, im on a sata controller
[05:45] <pdkl> /dev/xxxx
[05:45] <matthias> and what does rw and umask=000 mean? ^
[05:46] <bretzel> Some day EA-/Westwood game: Command and Conquer Generals - will play in linux.... I will say BYE-BYE Window$
[05:46] <globetek> i'm new to PC land pretty much ive been amiga user for years and just a few months ago built pc and put bsd on it and linux on it
[05:46] <kent> matthias, rw and umask=000 means that all user on your computer can read/write to that drive..
[05:46] <globetek> something just feels wierd with ubuntu..it feels..like i have no control almost
[05:46] <bretzel> t31: Videoland: dunno - I know vlc but can't do nothing with it execpted play videos
[05:46] <matthias> will the winxp-folder(i guess i can name it to what i want?) be crated automatically or do i have to do it?
[05:47] <kent> matthias, just save the file and either reboot or, as hannes__ said,  run "mount -a" from a terminal. "mount -a" mounts all devices in fstab, i think
[05:47] <sanman_nor> I have a problem with  my wireless  lan connection. It worked yesterday, but I could not get my comp to recognize my  ethernet,  so I deleted both and then added them,  starting with the ethernet,  the wireless will not activate.   I tried deleteing all connections, and creating the wireless that still did not work
[05:47] <pdkl> matthias, you have to do it
[05:47] <bretzel> What I want is tools for dvdauthoring, to be able to create DVD from windows.avi mpeg4 files :-)
[05:47] <HostingGeek> welcome WindowsUninstall he going to join any second
[05:47] <t31> bretzel: i tried the stable sources but something is missing i saw a very nice ubuntu no official guide and think there was something i google a little and tell you
[05:47] <matthias> ok. thank you! :)
[05:48] <DaNewB> WindowsUninstall, welcome!
[05:48] <bretzel> t31: I've installed all that stuff: dvdauthor; dvdstyler; mjpeg etc .... but can't do nothing with it for avi-mpeg4 files...
[05:49] <WindowsUninstall> Hello *
[05:49] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: prefit timing
[05:49] <m00se> hi
[05:49] <HostingGeek> convert him
[05:49] <DaNewB> hi m00se
[05:49] <WindowsUninstall> Ubuntu is simple??? (I'm a mandrake linux user)
[05:49] <m00se> when are packages in universe updated when debian version changes?
[05:49] <t31> bretzel: i found out the guide but in spanish :(, about that i have a friend long time i dont talk with that problably will help i will write him an email
[05:49] <m00se> is it done by hand or autimaticaly?
[05:50] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: LOL yes
[05:50] <t31> bretzel: but i dont have much hope long time i dont see him but anyway i can try is a pity im living so far away from home :(
[05:50] <crimsun> m00se: manually, but notifications are automatic.
[05:50] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: in ubuntu the installer is enter enter enter enter take out cd
[05:51] <bretzel> WindowsUninstall: I dunno how simple is Ubuntu - but what I know is that Ubuntu is DEBIAN and I feel so much better with it than Mandrake/Fedora !
[05:51] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, :-)
[05:51] <gusto> my first install of ubuntu chrashed
[05:51] <HostingGeek> i dunno why they even bother putting in those questions by default
[05:51] <gusto> could not add cdrom to apt
[05:51] <HostingGeek> gusto: driver support
[05:51] <crimsun> bretzel: Ubuntu is _not_ Debian. It's based on Debian, but it's not Debian by any stretch of the imagination. :-)
[05:51] <bretzel> t31: Thanks for your words t31, I know someday I will find good tutorials and tools to do it :-)
[05:51] <m00se> crimsun: who should i bother about updating galeon? bug #288875 is really anoying
[05:52] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, I have a problem with the linux kernel1
[05:52] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, I have a problem with the linux kernel!
[05:52] <gusto> HostingGeek: but the strange thing was it worked when I tried again
[05:52] <t31> bretzel: www.softonic.com has a good linux software compilation
[05:53] <DaNewB> WindowsUninstall, are you switching over to Ubuntu?
[05:53] <crimsun> m00se: because it's in universe, you can't file a bug on it for hoary
[05:53] <bretzel> crimsum: ok just like RedHat of Mndrake are not Linux but based on linux ??? I should have written DEBIAN based... even though all the Ubuntu pkg are from debian ?
[05:53] <m00se> crimsun: i know, that's why i'm asking here
[05:53] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, I have a sata hard disk and an Hyper Threading processor and i can't mount my root partition.
[05:53] <HostingGeek> gusto: ITS A cd drive what do you think? if its a normal ide one and driver for a another products works but normal the eject or something like that doesn't work
[05:54] <sanman_nor> I have a problem with  my wireless  lan connection. It worked yesterday, but I could not get my comp to recognize my  ethernet,  so I deleted both and then added them,  starting with the ethernet,  the wireless will not activate,  can any one help me can't find documentation on it...
[05:54] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: i have a sata drive and nothing bets d-i too supporting it
[05:54] <globetek> i like the power of building from source for some reason
[05:54] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: i got 2 sata driver on a friends computer with out a problem
[05:55] <HostingGeek> globetek: apt-build
[05:55] <globetek> apt-build? i'm used to using ./configure make ,etc
[05:55] <crimsun> m00se: I've asked; if someone has a definitive answer, (s)he'll say more.
[05:55] <t31> bretzel: have to go, thx for help, c u around :)and thx very much again :)
[05:55] <gray-lizzard> ie played now for 3 days with ubuntu ( i was a debian usewr ...) works nice buth a pitty that there is no mc in the packageslist ...
[05:55] <bretzel> t31: yes me too: have a good day ! :-)
[05:55] <globetek> gray:can't you compile mc?
[05:55] <gray-lizzard> ( and ubuntu base depends on telnet ??/?)
[05:56] <m00se> crimsun: ok, thanks
[05:56] <t31> bretzel: :-) have a nice day :-)
[05:56] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, you are using linux from the 0.0.1?
[05:56] <gray-lizzard> mja im downloading the source now .. going to compile buth mc was/is a base thing for me  globetek
[05:56] <globetek> I'm having trouble being a ttrue convert to  ubuntu
[05:56] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, You are an linux kernel developer?
[05:56] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: wtf there was a 0.0.1
[05:57] <globetek> gray-lizzard:can't you just use ubuntu just to install the base kernel and use debian package sources to do the rest?
[05:57] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, I believe MC is in Ubuntu..?
[05:57] <ironwolf> mc is in universe I think.
[05:57] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: 1) no 2) no
[05:57] <globetek> might be my oxyconttin clouding me
[05:57] <DaNewB> ironwolf, right
[05:57] <stuNNed> warty isn't unicode by default correct?
[05:57] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: i used a box using 0.01
[05:58] <gray-lizzard> mja possible globetek buth i can install debian aswell then ...was hoping todo easy debian based installs on desktopmachines..
[05:58] <lonewolff> ok this is gettign annoying, does anyone know how to stop resolvconf from changing my resolv.conf file?
[05:58] <gray-lizzard> DaNewB : cant find mc ...really .. dselect --expert  /mc cant find ..
[05:58] <ironwolf> apt-get install mc
[05:58] <ironwolf> with universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, like ironwolf says
[05:59] <globetek> only  reason i like debian is i have both gnome and kde
[05:59] <globetek> heheh
[05:59] <WindowsUninstall> I goto finish my scool homework!
[05:59] <globetek> but i guess i can compile kde
[05:59] <WindowsUninstall> Bye
[06:00] <lmurillo> I hate to compile the apps
[06:00] <lmurillo> that's why I use Debian
[06:00] <globetek> i prefer compiling them just because i have more control :)
[06:00] <lmurillo> I never seem to be able to compile anything :(
[06:00] <gray-lizzard> universe is one of the ubunto mirrors ? is there a mirror list on the net somewhere ? ironwolf
[06:01] <globetek> some of the packages i've tried installing just wont install
[06:01] <lmurillo> I can't even get passed the ./configure
[06:01] <globetek> it's easy just learn C++ :)
[06:01] <globetek> i mean we are Unix users right?
[06:01] <froust> gray-lizzard: are you trying to add it to your sources.list?
[06:02] <globetek> i have like 10 broken packages
[06:02] <globetek> that's why i prefer compiling stuff hehe
[06:03] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:04] <globetek> i'm getting alot of package dependencies
[06:04] <globetek> like alot of packages are wanting to remove gnome components
[06:05] <gray-lizzard> thnx just edited my sources.list ...
[06:05] <dr_willis> Hmm. The New Mac-Mini is so cute... so when can we expect Ubuntu support. :P
[06:05] <matthias> mh, now i can access my harddrives in the terminal but i can't start that ...window in which the drives are...(the equivalent of "my computer" in windows) :-()
[06:05] <dr_willis> i need a decent cheap/quite file server lol
[06:06] <globetek> i think i need to join the ubuntu team as a developer and build some of the broken packages
[06:06] <DaNewB> matthias, open folader /mnt/WinXP (if thats how you named it)
[06:08] <matthias> i can access /data/win2k but i cant start that window..filebrowserthingy ;)
[06:08] <froust> nautilus?
[06:08] <matthias> so in the terminal everything seems finde
[06:08] <matthias> maybe...
[06:08] <matthias> another problem: my mousecursor always turns black(sometimes ;))
[06:09] <froust> nautilus is the file browser for gnome, i think
[06:10] <globetek> my review of ubuntu:nice distro but needs work i'm available since i am recovering from skateboarding injury
[06:10] <matthias> in the list of processes there are a lot of nautiluses but i cant see any :O
[06:10] <DaNewB> matthias, type nautilus in a terminal
[06:11] <globetek> i've noticed a few bugs in the packages
[06:11] <lonewolff> if i am download themes for gnome on ubuntu should i download gtk1.x gtk 2.x or metacity themes??
[06:11] <lonewolff> i cant seem to get any of them to work
[06:12] <zenrox> gtk2X themess and metacity themes
[06:12] <matthias> there was just a new line but nothing else seems to be happening
[06:12] <globetek> i'm thinking bout trying out debian
[06:12] <DaNewB> matthias, type "killall nautilus" in a terminal
[06:13] <globetek> i gotta reinstall ubuntu i think
[06:13] <globetek> cuz i got like a bunch of broken packages
[06:14] <matthias> now i got only one nautilus in the processlist ;)
[06:14] <DaNewB> matthias, and you still dont see a window?
[06:14] <matthias> no
[06:14] <globetek> i just see bugs in the way debian packages are handled..
[06:15] <wastrel> should i install warty or hoary on my new computer
[06:15] <matthias> i guess i did something wrong in the fstab
[06:15] <matthias> i will comment them out and test if nautilus works then
[06:15] <DaNewB> matthias, Nautilus invisible, hmmm...
[06:16] <DaNewB> wastrel, probably Warty, if you want a stable system
[06:16] <froust> hoary if you want new toys :)
[06:16] <globetek> hoary?
[06:16] <DaNewB> wastrel, Hoary if you wish to experiment
[06:16] <globetek> i'm a developer
[06:16] <globetek> :)
[06:16] <froust> hoary hedgehog == unstable
[06:17] <froust> ubuntu's names are really bad
[06:17] <wastrel> uh huh.  hoary == debian unstable  or   hoary == debian testing
[06:17] <globetek> yah sounds like theyire on crack
[06:17] <wastrel> i vote for alphabetical release names
[06:17] <wastrel> then you'll know that Cobra came after Bison  or whatever
[06:17] <froust> wastrel - i think hoary -> sid
[06:17] <globetek> i want to put together a drug influenced debian
[06:17] <globetek> LSD :)hehe
[06:17] <HostingGeek> wastrel: unstable
[06:17] <Cloudchaser> any scribus users here?
[06:17] <HostingGeek> froust: no it is sid
[06:18] <globetek> scribus?
[06:18] <globetek> wtf
[06:18] <froust> HostingGeek: Thx
[06:18] <HostingGeek> Cloudchaser: none of us use QT
[06:18] <globetek> i use QT
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> its not qt i don't think
[06:18] <globetek> on freebsd i do
[06:18] <froust> Sid is unstable, sarge is testing?
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> scribus is a dtp program
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> desktop publishing....
[06:19] <globetek> only thing i don't like in this is i can't write cd's
[06:19] <globetek> hehe
[06:19] <DaNewB> froust, yep
[06:19] <wastrel> at the moment :]
[06:19] <froust> and which is most stable, testing or unstable?
[06:19] <wastrel> when sarge is released there will be a new testing, but sid is always unstable
[06:19] <froust> aaah
[06:19] <wastrel> testing is more stable
[06:19] <froust> i see.
[06:19] <froust> sid is always the name for their development
[06:19] <globetek> unstable is stable enough for me
[06:20] <DaNewB> globetek, sure you can write CDs
[06:20] <froust> and they just keep picking new names for the stable?
[06:20] <globetek> from commandline?
[06:20] <globetek> i'mused to burncd command in freebsd
[06:20] <globetek> i'm still adapting to linux world
[06:20] <HostingGeek> the new name to the new testing will be etch
[06:20] <froust> globetek: why'd you switch
[06:20] <HostingGeek> WTF is etch?!?
[06:20] <froust> HostingGeek: got it. thanks
[06:20] <DaNewB> globetek, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation
[06:20] <globetek> better midi support
[06:21] <globetek> i was going to start development of amidi sequencing ap
[06:21] <wastrel> froust: they pick new release names for testing, then it moves to stable.  so the current stable "woody" was testing before it was released
[06:21] <globetek> heh
[06:21] <HostingGeek> sid can also stand for Still In Devoplement
[06:21] <HostingGeek> but doesn't
[06:21] <froust> so after sarge becomes stable, they pick a new name for the unstable and testing?
[06:22] <wastrel> froust: no, they'll pick a new name for testing but sid never changes  sid == unstable  always
[06:22] <froust> okay... got it.
[06:22] <wastrel> they freeze a snapshot of sid and move that to testing with a new release name
[06:22] <froust> that kid was twisted...
[06:23] <HostingGeek> yes with the next code name being etch
[06:23] <HostingGeek> WTF IS ETCH
[06:23] <froust> who was etch?
[06:23] <notdenizen> has anyone managed to install VMWare on warty/AMD64 ?
[06:24] <HostingGeek> froust: the next debian testing is going to be called etch can you handle this
[06:25] <froust> wtf is etch?
[06:25] <froust> /bin/sh: dig: command not found
[06:25] <Freduardo> can't remember a toy story character called etch
[06:25] <froust> me neither
[06:25] <notdenizen> the little etch-a-sketch ?
[06:25] <Freduardo> thought they would all be named after ts characters
[06:26] <notdenizen> drew the little gun ? all i remember :)
[06:26] <froust> aahh
[06:26] <HostingGeek> froust: not here!?!? in the /msg
[06:26] <froust> etch a sketch
[06:26] <paulproteus> Little etch, cool. :)
[06:26] <rob0> My DHCP server (not running on Ubuntu) does dynamic DNS, but the Ubuntu machine didn't pass its hostname to be registered in DNS. I don't see an easy/GUI way to fix that.
[06:27] <matthias> how can i rename a folder?
[06:27] <notdenizen> mv folder folder2
[06:27] <matthias> (i just restartet and i can start nautilus again)
[06:27] <matthias> thanks
[06:28] <DaNewB> cool
[06:28] <wastrel> so is there an install guide for ubuntu?  i haven't found one looking around the site...
[06:28] <HostingGeek> yes...
[06:28] <rob0> in Nautilus, rename is a right-click option, just like most desktop-style GUI's
[06:28] <HostingGeek> wastrel: but my one is the best enter enter enter enter take out cd
[06:29] <HostingGeek> wastrel: there is nothing easier than my guide
[06:29] <rob0> LOL that's about how I did it
[06:29] <DaNewB> wastrel, install is easy. For post-configuration, see ubuntuguide.org
[06:29] <wastrel> i normally wouldn't worry but i want to dual-boot xp and haven't done that before
[06:30] <froust> wastrel: it was pretty easy to do for me
[06:30] <wastrel> will need to resize the xp partition
[06:30] <wastrel> or will i have to wipe, partition and reinstall xp?
[06:30] <froust> xp should be installed first
[06:30] <HostingGeek> wastrel: why waste space for winxp
[06:30] <froust> and careful resizing partitions
[06:30] <wastrel> i've never really run windows :]
[06:31] <froust> cause sometimes it buggers them up (if you resize non system partitions, it should go okay)
[06:31] <froust> then install linux
[06:31] <matthias> is this correct? "#/dev/hda1      /data/win2k     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> #/dev/hda5       /data/programme ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> #/dev/hda6       /data/daten     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> #/dev/hda7       /data/spiele    ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> " it seems like that caused nautilus to crash :O
[06:31] <wastrel> this will be a fresh intsall of xp on my new laptop drive
[06:31] <wastrel> from the factory
[06:31] <wastrel> so hopefully the partition will resize easily.
[06:31] <froust> okay... so you have nothing on there now and you want to dual boot?
[06:32] <wastrel> well the drive will come with xp
[06:32] <froust> if you dont' have anything to save, it might be easier just to reinstall xp onto a smaller partition
[06:32] <wastrel> it's arriving tomorrow :]
[06:32] <wastrel> hm.
[06:32] <froust> save you the trouble of resizing partitions
[06:32] <froust> it's an extra 45 minutes
[06:32] <wastrel> 45 minutes to resize?
[06:32] <wastrel> or 45 to install xp
[06:32] <DaNewB> matthias, where are the linux partitions??
[06:32] <froust> to install xp
[06:33] <matthias> i left them out
[06:33] <wastrel> hm.
[06:33] <Seq> i got a bunch of security warnings on my apt-get update. Should I be worried, or is there a new key I just don't have yet?
[06:33] <matthias> this is not the whole fstab ;)
[06:33] <wastrel> well i'll figure it out when it gets here i guess
[06:33] <DaNewB> matthias, few!
[06:33] <matthias> ^
[06:33] <matthias> "proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda1      /data/win2k     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda5       /data/programme ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda6       /data/daten     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda7       /data/spiele    ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hda8       none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:33] <matthias> "
[06:34] <matthias> does the order of the lines in the fstab matter?
[06:35] <froust> not that i know of
[06:36] <DaNewB> matthias, all these folders should exist
[06:36] <randabis> order should not matter
[06:36] <globetek> i'm confused with these packages
[06:36] <matthias> they do
[06:37] <tritium> globetek, which ones?
[06:37] <notdenizen> is there some trick to making the VMWare modules compile under amd64/2.6.10? I'm not finding anything about it on the forums/wiki/google
[06:38] <Punk> how do i choose lilo during the install so i can use XFS on my root partition ?
[06:39] <tritium> Punk, did you try expert mode install?
[06:39] <Punk> no, how do i do that ?
[06:39] <DaNewB> randabis, how can his fstab crash Nautilus (but he can access through terminal)?
[06:40] <tritium> I don't recall - I only did the install once.  Hit the various function keys when the install CD first boots.
[06:40] <tritium> It'll provide details on various boot options, etc.
[06:40] <froust> Punk: i think its F1
[06:41] <froust> with ubuntu
[06:41] <Punk> thank you, i will try that
[06:41] <IRCsloth> hey all
[06:42] <IRCsloth> is it possible to disable the spacial nautilis in gnome 2.8
[06:42] <DaNewB> IRCsloth, hello neighbour!
[06:42] <tritium> IRCsloth, yes
[06:42] <DaNewB> IRCsloth, sure!
[06:42] <IRCsloth> it's annoying having new windows pop up for everything you open
[06:42] <IRCsloth> I was looking thought the settings manager but couldn't find it
[06:43] <lupus_> how can I see which files are in a installed package
[06:43] <IRCsloth> any hints as to where that setting is?
[06:43] <tritium> you'll have to edit a gconf key
[06:44] <lmurillo> IRCsloth, IIRC, using the system configuration on GNome, just look for the Nautilus and change the configuration there
[06:44] <agenteo> default install of mysql on ubuntu, does set some MySQL root passwords?
[06:44] <tritium> IRCsloth, http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindow
[06:45] <mgedmin> when I used debian unstable, I had a netspeed applet that showed me the current bandwith usage in KB/s
[06:45] <mgedmin> I cannot find this applet in ubuntu
[06:45] <jcspray> that's a bit out of date, really.  There's a checkbox in file managerment properties dialog.
[06:45] <mgedmin> any hints?
[06:46] <tritium> jcspray, ah, you're right :)
[06:46] <mgedmin> also, this morning I apt-get upgraded and the wireless applet disappeared too
[06:47] <notdenizen> http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update88.tar.gz    <- that fixes VMWare under 2.6.10 / AMD64 incase anyone else was worried :P
[06:47] <IRCsloth> thanks, it worked
[06:47] <matthias> how to delete a folder?
[06:47] <tritium> IRCsloth, sure.  Note that jcspray pointed out an easier way.
[06:47] <IRCsloth> Ubuntu rocks :-)
[06:48] <DaNewB> matthias, rmdir
[06:48] <matthias> thx
[06:48] <froust> or rm -r
[06:48] <IRCsloth> it's the only distro that worked with ALL my laptop hardware without hours of tweaking.
[06:49] <lmurillo> IRCsloth, what laptop? IBM? Dell?
[06:50] <zerokarmaleft> lupus_, dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/[package] .deb
[06:50] <mgedmin> duh, the netspeed applet is in a separate package, I'd forgotten that
[06:52] <matthias> ah, it finally works :)
[06:52] <matthias> thanks for your help :)
[06:53] <IRCsloth> sorry, had a phone call, an Averatec 3150 series
[06:53] <IRCsloth> I also have a Dell Inspiron 8600 I'm going to put ubuntu on next
[06:54] <matthias> damn... the totem video player doesn't seem to be able to player anything :-( (for unknown reason ;))
[06:54] <froust> i'm liking ubuntu so far
[06:55] <DaNewB> matthias, Totem + Xine backend?
[06:56] <matthias> i dont know
[06:56] <DaNewB> matthias, check the About dialog.. does it say Xine-lib
[06:58] <matthias> in the info-dialog(germanversion - might be about?) it says something abaout gstreamer
[06:58] <DaNewB> matthias, anyways, you should install totem-xine for best video playback
[06:58] <matthias> err, and how do i do that? ;o)
[06:58] <DaNewB> matthias, you can use Synaptic
[06:59] <eruin> meh!
[06:59] <DaNewB> matthias, or try "sudo apt-get install totem-xine"
[06:59] <eruin> my cdrom doesnt wanna mount anymore
[07:00] <DaNewB> matthias, if it doesnt find any package named totem-xine, then you didnt activate the Universe repository
[07:01] <matthias> ^^
[07:01] <DaNewB> matthias, hah?
[07:02] <matthias> err... nothing ;)
[07:04] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[07:04] <DaNewB> TenPlus1, :)
[07:04] <TenPlus1> allo
[07:04] <TenPlus1> Q.) How good is Ubuntu at detecting Wi-fi networks ??
[07:05] <DaNewB> matthias, u got totem-xine??
[07:06] <matthias> not yet - still trying
[07:06] <smo> TenPlus1: I've only used it on a wireless network once.  It needed absolutely zero hand-holding (from the LiveCD)
[07:06] <eruin> what do I do if hald for some reason isn't running?
[07:07] <TenPlus1> smo: kewl, Ubuntu seems to handle everything
[07:07] <alainm> does this distro still use APT?
[07:07] <TenPlus1> still cant find a decent xvid codec tho... that's my only quibble
[07:07] <smo> TenPlus1: That's only the single time I've used it .. don't take my word from it .. just encouragement :)
[07:07] <DaNewB> alainm, sure APT + Synaptic
[07:07] <alainm> oh thats great
[07:08] <DaNewB> alainm, sure is
[07:08] <alainm> now will the install do the same hardware auto-detect as the LIVE?
[07:08] <froust> alainm: i had no problems
[07:08] <froust> onboard sound and network card
[07:09] <DaNewB> alainm, i think it should
[07:09] <alainm> froust: it found all your sound and other goodies
[07:09] <alainm> wow
[07:09] <alainm> i think this is going to be my new favorite distro
[07:09] <froust> 0 problems
[07:09] <froust> nm... had to tweak my xorg.conf a bit
[07:09] <DaNewB> alainm, it's already mine ;)
[07:09] <alainm> nice
[07:09] <froust> but no problems aside from that, and no problems second time i installed.
[07:09] <matthias> DaNewB, juhu, it works! :) thanks again.
[07:10] <DaNewB> matthias, np
[07:10] <alainm> what was your prob with xorg.conf?
[07:10] <froust> i don'tremember... and there wasn't a problem second time around
[07:10] <alainm> ok.. sweet
[07:10] <alainm> thx
[07:11] <DaNewB> alainm, even the ATI proprietary driver is easy to install
[07:11] <TenPlus1> cya peeps
[07:11] <Cloudchaser> well darn..scribus isn't too stable ;( just crashed before i got to save changes
[07:11] <froust> except ati only released drivers up to 9200
[07:11] <froust> *sighs*
[07:12] <Cloudchaser> one of linux's major shortfalls..desktop publishing apps ;(
[07:12] <DaNewB> froust, talking about the fglrx driver for my 9600...
[07:12] <froust> they have linux drivers for +9200?
[07:13] <DaNewB> froust, of course (but closed source)
[07:13] <froust> where'd you find them?
[07:13] <Prower> Hello :> I've installed php4, but I can't seem to run PHP in the command line...does anyone know what I'd have to install to get the actual php binary?
[07:14] <DaNewB> froust, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <t31> betzler: just a second, many things are really trivials but someone r interesting http://ubuntuguide.org/#gettingstarted
[07:15] <t31> betzler: c u
[07:16] <froust> will those drivers worth with 64 bit ubuntu?
[07:18] <DaNewB> froust, I have no idea but I thought everything 32-bit worked on 64-bit??
[07:19] <DaNewB> froust, which card you have?
[07:19] <froust> ati aiw 9700 pro
[07:20] <sladen> DaNewB: things like video BIOS actually have to run inside a 16-bit x86 emulator on amd64, alpha and the like
[07:20] <DaNewB> sladen, so would the ATI fglrx driver work on 64-bit?
[07:21] <sladen> DaNewB: is it a binary x86-only driver?  Or is it a driver that can be recompiled for ppc/amd64 etc?
[07:21] <froust> it's a binary
[07:22] <froust> that you can apt-get
[07:22] <DaNewB> sladen, but the tutorial says to get linux-686 or whatever matches your kernel...
[07:23] <DaNewB> sladen, so if you get linux-amd64 (or something), wont it work??
[07:24] <froust> yeah - what he said
[07:25] <DaNewB> froust, what is it called for amd64... linux-amd64...no, what?
[07:25] <Ileden> hmm, does this sound like and ok partitoning: "#1 - / - 15 GB; #6 - /home - 15 GB; #5 - swap - 512 MB"?
[07:25] <froust> Ileden: sounds okay... all i did was 100mb /boot 1gb swap and the rest /
[07:26] <Ileden> hmm, someone here yesterday recommended creating /home too? is there any use for it? and should I have /boot too?
[07:27] <froust> Il - i'm by no means a pro... couldn't say
[07:28] <no0tic> Ileden: to separate /home , /boot , / is a good choice if your system breaks
[07:28] <no0tic> Ileden: normally you make a little ext2 for /boot and use another fs for the others (with journaling for example)
[07:28] <Ileden> and should /boot be the first primary partition then? hda1?
[07:29] <no0tic> Ileden: I think it's not necessary
[07:29] <DaNewB> Ileden, the most important (in my opinion) is that you have a separate partition for your (personal) data
[07:29] <DaNewB> from the rest of the system
[07:30] <no0tic> DaNewB: I have done in the same way
[07:30] <Ileden> ok, so /home is a good idea, but /boot isn't really that necessary?
[07:30] <no0tic> Ileden: right
[07:30] <Ileden> ok, then I'll use the table I have now. Thanks. :)
[07:31] <DaNewB> personaly, I dont make one for /home because apps put tons of config files in it
[07:32] <no0tic> DaNewB: what's the problem?
[07:33] <DaNewB> instaed I put my files in a separate partition but not /home (cleaner this way)
[07:34] <Ileden> yeah, I also have another drive for file storage. But I figure I'm going to use /home for something too.
[07:34] <no0tic> DaNewB: but /home is made for you datas! if don't want apps' config file then remove proper .directories
[07:34] <no0tic> DaNewB: and you have a clean install
[07:35] <DaNewB> no0tic, remove them? but wont that make them malfunction?
[07:36] <no0tic> DaNewB: removing (for example) .gnome2 will erase your personalizations and you modifications to the defautl configuration
[07:36] <mon> i read about the restricted format stuff, and so far it works great. what's the status on quicktime (in a browser) though?
[07:36] <Ileden> I don't see why data should reside in /home/username, if the data is of such nature it will be shared with all users of the computer...
[07:36] <DaNewB> no0tic, well exactly! you dont want that
[07:36] <no0tic> DaNewB: then gnome will start as you first installed it
[07:36] <froust> so
[07:36] <froust> anyone know anything about 64 bit ati drivers?
[07:37] <no0tic> Ileden: this is another thing, in this case is right saving these datas elsewhere
[07:37] <DaNewB> froust, unless you need 3D acceleration, dont bother with them
[07:38] <randabis> there are none... :p none from ATI anyway.
[07:38] <Ileden> which place should that be if I want to follow the linux naming conventions?