[18:37] <BluesKaj> YW
[18:38] <trappist> hey, jucato banned the bot
[18:39] <trappist> !bot
[18:39] <trappist> hrm.
[18:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:39] <trappist> yay!
[18:39]  * trappist flexes
[18:39] <siddharth_> please help with your text! ''should i over ride difficulties and learn linux-kubuntu-unix or get back to billgates!? <xp!>
[18:39] <siddharth_> please help with your text! ''should i over ride difficulties and learn linux-kubuntu-unix or get back to billgates!? <xp!>
[18:40] <BluesKaj> siddharth_, pls don't flood with repeats
[18:40] <siddharth_> soryy all
[18:40] <RedLizard> trappist: hm, appearantly, the problem is still not solved
[18:41] <mithraic> Well, it turns out that Krdc's VNC viewer is much, much slower in KDE4 than KDE3.
[18:41] <trappist> RedLizard: the important thing is, the bot is back
[18:41] <mithraic> Actually, even running the KDE3 Krdc under a KDE4 desktop is much slower.
[18:41] <siddharth_> mith wats dat?
[18:41] <mithraic> Guess my video card just isn't up to KDE4, or maybe the drawing routines still need to be optimized.
[18:42] <siddharth_>  Setting up libxine1-ffmpeg (1.1.7-1ubuntu1) ...
[18:42] <siddharth_> [00:11] <siddharth_> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[18:42] <siddharth_> [00:11] <siddharth_> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[18:42] <siddharth_> [00:11] <siddharth_> wat to do nw
[18:42] <trappist> mithraic: or maybe you have some runaway process eating your cpu cycles
[18:42] <siddharth_> sorry
[18:42] <trappist> siddharth_: please don't paste here.
[18:42] <RedLizard> trappist: without the xorg.conf hacks, X will only start in a single mode (1152x768); ogl applications will run fine in this mode, but as soon as i change to a different resolution (or run a full-screen game, which does the same) ogl starts crashing again
[18:42] <siddharth_> sorry
[18:42] <BluesKaj> !paste
[18:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:43] <voicu> siddharth: what do you want to do?
[18:43] <mithraic> trappist: don't think so; when I log into a KDE3 desktop, the KDE3 version of Krdc is fast; the KDE4 version is godawful slow.
[18:43] <trappist> RedLizard: it sounds like you just need to find the right modeline for the resolution you want
[18:43] <mithraic> I haven't tried running TightVNC under a KDE4 desktop though; perhaps that will be okay.
[18:43] <RedLizard> trappist: but they should be autodetected
[18:44] <trappist> RedLizard: that's not as reliable (yet) as we'd like it to be
[18:44] <RedLizard> trappist: the Xorg.0.log i posted shows that the graphics card is rejecting the already detected modelines
[18:44] <trappist> yeah that's what it looks like
[18:44] <RedLizard> trappist: also, this card used to work fine on an older version of kubuntu, before i reinstalled
[18:44] <siddharth_> thank you friends now am able to play .dat files in kubuntu for the first time!
[18:46] <ForgeAus> trappist are you still there?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> what did you think about my blog?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> interesting?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> did you try it?
[18:47] <siddharth_> is it neccesary ti intsall via k8m800 drivers?
[18:48] <schemacs> I still can't figure out this desktop selection box stuff. Anyone care to help?
[18:48] <schemacs> I want dotted lines, instead of a blue translucent box.
[18:50] <trappist> ForgeAus: I mostly just keep windows around at work for Outlook, and I installed andLinux because I thought it was cool, but I'm reluctant to start going nuts with it - but your blog was definitely interesting
[18:50] <trappist> schemacs: I don't think that's configurable
[18:50] <siddharth_> how to install any software wdt net?
[18:51] <schemacs> trappist: hm..., Is there a file I can edit?
[18:51] <trappist> schemacs: if so it's probably a .cpp file :)
[18:51] <siddharth_> in kubuntu with cd or any other folder how can i install a package?
[18:51] <eddieftw> siddharth_: sudo apt-get install (packagename)
[18:52] <schemacs> How un-unix like! :(
[18:52] <schemacs> I want an ascii file to edit.
[18:52] <trappist> schemacs: I don't think so - if I was writing a window manager it probably wouldn't cross my mind that somebody would want to configure that
[18:52] <siddharth_> eddie ,, i mean without internet ... apt-get requires the net connection
[18:53] <trappist> and if it did, I probably wouldn't find it important enough to write a config interface for it
[18:53] <flipstar> are there good gui's for mencoder ?
[18:53] <trappist> siddharth_: only if your sources are on the internet - if /etc/apt/sources.list still points at your cd, it'll use the cd
[18:53] <trappist> flipstar: I don't think there are any at all, but there are several good transcoding UIs that don't use mencoder
[18:54] <siddharth_> flipstar how to install package from a folder or flash drive
[18:54] <nova> salut
[18:54] <voicu> trappist: there has to be such an option. some distributions have the translucent rectangle, some don't. i don't think they start tuning the window manager from the source
[18:54] <trappist> siddharth_: that's not recommended
[18:54] <schemacs> trappist: I might as well use gnome then.
[18:54] <nova> french user here?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !apt | siddharth_
[18:54] <trappist> schemacs: do you have compiz enabled?
[18:55] <flipstar> bot has hardcore lags
[18:55] <voicu> siddharth_: you have to get used to updating from the net or get the dvd and you probably won't need to download any more stuff (unless you update)
[18:55] <schemacs> trappist: No I do not. I don't need special effects.
[18:55] <noon> hi there, anyone knows how i can manually remove an application that i compiled and installed?
[18:55] <voicu> schemacs: just go "xor box on kde" on google or something :P
[18:55] <flipstar> noon: do you still have the sources ?
[18:56] <noon> doesnt show under synaptic naturally :s
[18:56] <noon> i can get them again
[18:56] <trappist> schemacs: just wondering because I think compiz hijacks that functionality and draws the box its own way
[18:56] <trappist> noon: it might come with a "make uninstall"
[18:56] <intelikey> how can one tell which server on a lan he is using to access the inet ?
[18:56] <trappist> noon: but you'd have to run ./configure with the same options you used to install it
[18:56] <flipstar> right but dont know if this works with new sources
[18:57] <siddharth_> sudo uninstall package name
[18:57] <siddharth_> noon
[18:57] <trappist> intelikey: look up the default gateway from a box that can access the 'net
[18:57] <noon> aaaah
[18:57] <BluesKaj> noon, go to the directory where you compiled it and look for the uninstall file first, then in the terminal cd to the dir and run ./uninstall
[18:57] <trappist> intelikey: route -n on linux, route print on windows
[18:57] <intelikey> i mean i could cause it to eject and go look at all the server and see which one has it's tongue sticking out,  but....
[18:57] <intelikey> trappist it's <IP_ADDRESS>  but that could be any number of boxes
[18:58] <siddharth_> !!
[18:58] <noon> well i kinda removed everything as soon as i thought it was working
[18:58] <trappist> intelikey: you want to find a physical machine by ip?
[18:58] <noon> actually it wasnt
[18:58] <schemacs> trappist: changing the kde style can change the selection box.
[18:58] <noon> thanks for answers, im gonna try to recover all that :)
[18:58] <trappist> schemacs: ah nice
[18:59] <intelikey> is there a way to identify the box by hostname rather than ip ?
[18:59] <trappist> intelikey: that depends on a lot of variables
[18:59] <trappist> intelikey: if you have access to dhcp logs, that might help
[19:00] <intelikey> not using dhcp
[19:00] <schemacs> Yes, I am still learning guis.
[19:00] <schemacs> I am used to typing
[19:00] <siddharth_> what to do if apt-get corrupts? reinsatll kubuntu ?
[19:00] <schemacs> siddharth: there are other options besides ubuntu.
[19:00] <intelikey> siddharth_ question is vague
[19:00] <trappist> intelikey: remind me why you're trying to track this box down?  is somebody sitting at it?
[19:01] <schemacs> I'm not the biggest fan of apt-get IMO
[19:01] <intelikey> trappist no.  it's not maned
[19:01] <intelikey> trappist i just wanted to know which cable i could work on without disconnecting things
[19:01] <nova> my A
[19:01] <siddharth_> well it happened once iwas not able to read packages i reinstalled kubuntu!
[19:02] <siddharth_> is there any easy way to solve this?
[19:02] <nova> my APT database couyld notbe opened! whatcan i have to do?
[19:02] <voicu> does anyone know a good registrar that's not a big evil corporation? :P
[19:02] <intelikey> siddharth_ solve what ?    pastebin the error
[19:02] <trappist> intelikey: you could pluck a cable and see if the box's link light goes out
[19:03] <trappist> voicu: afaik the only such registrars are proxies for big evil corporations
[19:03] <flipstar> siddharth_: you could try reinstalling apt-get using aptitude but how did you broke it ???
[19:03] <intelikey> heh   yeah i could.  :)    but i just thought that there might be a soft way to check it.
[19:03] <siddharth_> intelkey i mean apt-get crashed .. somethings like that error came i was not able to start it
[19:03] <intelikey> !adeptfix
[19:03] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix
[19:04] <intelikey> !wheres_the_bot
[19:04] <trappist> intelikey: oh, you want to not interrupt anything... like, see which machines have open internet connections?
[19:04] <voicu> siddharth_: you can try downloading the deb from packages.ubuntu.com and installing with dpkg -i <package.deb>
[19:04] <siddharth_> will this work in all the cases?
[19:04] <flipstar> "The bots are undergoing maintenance."
[19:04] <trappist> intelikey: if so, install and run 'iptraf' on the gateway machine (assuming it's linux)
[19:04] <intelikey> trappist yes not interrupt anything    but not concerned what box is doing what except finding the active gateway
[19:05] <voicu> any other suggestions on a registrar? (i'm not sure that's the name)
[19:05] <intelikey> iptraf you say... i'll look at it.
[19:05] <siddharth_> thanks for all your support
[19:05] <siddharth_>  here its 1 am ! good nyt everybody
[19:05] <trappist> intelikey: I don't think iptraf will help you do a physical-machine-by-IP lookup
[19:05] <intelikey> siddharth_ the answer is     sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:06] <intelikey> trappist ok.    hmmm i guess i can take the time to get the mac addresses of all the servers and make a record ffr.
[19:06] <trappist> intelikey: maybe looking for a box with at least 2 cat5 cables hanging off it will help
[19:07] <noon> trappist: thanks a lot dude, worked out well
[19:07] <noon> now i can compile again :D
[19:07] <siddharth_> am from india .... here we have only windows solutions
[19:07] <trappist> noon: good deal :)
[19:08] <siddharth_> good nyt intelli , noon./trappist and all
[19:08] <trappist> nighty-night siddharth_
[19:08] <flipstar> any hints on encoding 1080p to 720p ?
[19:08] <intelikey> trappist heh i know which ones are servers, just not which is actually handeling the traffic atm   but i'll do a physical ident with the eject command  and find it.
[19:09] <flipstar> intelikey: vnstat shows you the traffic on a single machine ..
[19:10] <noon> gn siddharth_
[19:10] <trappist> intelikey: usually servers I work with just have one nic in use, but the gateway has one for the internal network and one for the intarwebs
[19:10] <trappist> root________: don't irc as root
[19:12] <BluesKaj> that root________ with undescore nick should be banned ...terribly annoying IMO
[19:12] <voicu> lol, 6 of them
[19:12] <trappist> BluesKaj: I'm pretty sure the client tries root, finds it taken, tries root_, etc., until it gets to root_____________________...
[19:12] <noon> hrhr
[19:13] <BluesKaj> keeps coming in and out but rarely communicates
[19:13] <voicu> well yeah, hence the 6 root__ nicks
[19:13] <flipstar> clients should be more creative :=)
[19:13] <voicu> i wonder who's the real root :D
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yeah , i'm aware of that trappist, that
[19:13] <voicu> yeah, they should start l33ting the nick
[19:13] <intelikey> ok found it.
[19:13] <voicu> you get enough permutations from that
[19:13] <trappist> if I write an irc client it'll do s/root/bigcheese/
[19:13] <BluesKaj> ''s why i find it annoying , cuz i'm sure he knows better
[19:14] <trappist> BluesKaj: I'm not so sure he does, or he wouldn't be irc'ing as root :)
[19:14] <intelikey>   now one more Q   how to make a link that points to every users home ?
[19:14] <trappist> intelikey: eh?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> he thinks the underscore is protecting him
[19:14] <intelikey> ln -s blah '~/something'
[19:14] <trappist> it might take time, but I bet I can hack through those underscores
[19:15] <trappist> intelikey: you can't
[19:15] <intelikey> trappist  why not   /dev/fd does
[19:15] <BluesKaj> hehe , go for it trappist
[19:15] <trappist> intelikey: links are at the filesystem level, so they aren't aware of shell expansions like ~
[19:16] <intelikey> and procfs is not static  so it can do that ?
[19:17] <trappist> intelikey: yeah if there was a proc interface for that you could... and I don't see why that couldn't be done, but you'd have to hack on the kernel
[19:17] <Megabyte> yo
[19:18] <intelikey> can't use /proc/self in any way to do that i guess....
[19:18] <Megabyte> do the flash 9 and the java plugins work on amd64 yet?
[19:18] <trappist> Megabyte: I heard the java6 plugin does, but we're still waiting on flash
[19:18] <trappist> Megabyte: meanwhile, gotta run firefox in a 32bit chroot or use a similar solution
[19:19] <Megabyte> trappist: how easy is it to do that?
[19:19] <intelikey> this /dev/fd -> ../proc/self/fd is different for each user  but it's the /proc end of it that changes not the /dev/ end   so i guess .....    wait i have an idea.      at the shell level i'll set the path rather than using a symlink
[19:19] <trappist> intelikey: depending on what your goal is, you might be looking for /etc/skel
[19:20] <ubotu> siddharth_: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[19:20] <flipstar> !bot
[19:20] <trappist> Megabyte: not very, and IMO not really worth it.  after a couple of years of struggling with all the amd64 quirks I finally decided to go back to 32bit
[19:20] <trappist> !chroot
[19:20] <trappist> oh I forgot, the bot's lagged
[19:20] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wheres_the_bot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:21] <flipstar> 30minute lag right now oO
[19:21] <intelikey> trappist no.  i want a common .ssh/ to use individual .ssh/known_hosts     i can do that at the shell level   config ssh to use a user specific file for known_hosts
[19:21] <trappist> intelikey: yep, you can
[19:21] <Megabyte> trappist: thanks
[19:21] <Megabyte> trappist: I tried Linux Mint and it sucked
[19:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:22] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[19:22] <Megabyte> trappist: even the partitioner was very badly designed and I had to fix my mbr
[19:22] <Megabyte> trappist: I hope Kubuntu will fare better
[19:22] <trappist> Megabyte: never heard of it.  the chroot solution works fine, but it's a bit of a pain and it leaves you with other 64bit-specific issues to solve, so I threw in the towel
[19:22] <intelikey> yep and if this works correctly i will now have one usbkey that can be plugged into any box in the dmz and aford root access to that box + common access to all boxen
[19:22] <trappist> Megabyte: there, ubotu finally remembered the link to the 32bit chroot howto, if you're interested
[19:23] <trappist> intelikey: you using pam_usb for that?
[19:23] <Megabyte> trappist: thanks, but I'll stick to 32-bit[
[19:23] <Megabyte> even though I wanted 64-bit so badly
[19:24] <Megabyte> lol
[19:24] <intelikey> no.  it's not that sensitive really
[19:24] <trappist> Megabyte: good choice :)  unless you have like 8GB of ram there's probably no compelling reason to use 64bit on the desktop yet
[19:24] <intelikey> just an sshkey
[19:24] <trappist> intelikey: pam_usb is slick :)
[19:25] <intelikey> i'll have to have a good look at it then after i finish this up.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Megabyte, the benefits of 64 bit speed (which is barely noticeable) are outweighed by the problems by a wide margin
[19:25] <trappist> intelikey: plug your key in at a login prompt and watch as it magically logs you in.  unplug and it logs you out.
[19:25] <intelikey> trappist have a link on setting one up ?
[19:25] <Megabyte> trappist: I sticked to slackware, but I was mostly bored with it
[19:25] <trappist> intelikey:
[19:26] <trappist> dangit, what's up with my paste...
[19:26] <trappist> intelikey: pamusb.org
[19:26] <intelikey> k ty
[19:26] <intelikey> i'll have  a look.
[19:26] <Megabyte> trappist: the cool part of slackware is that it doesn't have lots of graphical configuring tools, but what it does have does work
[19:26] <Megabyte> trappist: I'm annoyed about slackware's lack of tought on design
[19:26] <Megabyte> so I'm trying Kubuntu
[19:27] <Megabyte> trappist: Does Kubuntu come with the default nice-looking fonts?
[19:27] <malro> hwy
[19:27] <intelikey> Megabyte ;/
[19:27] <malro> hey
[19:27] <malro> ho do i do compz-fusion?
[19:27] <Megabyte> intelikey: hi
[19:27] <trappist> Megabyte: never tried slackware, but from what I hear it's not really my kinda distro.  imo distros that are good for newbies are also good for pros, because they have tools to handle stuff that I could do the hard way, but I have more important things to do than e.g. spend all my time installing software.
[19:28] <malro> how do i do cube efects?
[19:28] <trappist> Megabyte: to the extent permitted by certain licensing issues, yeah, the fonts look pretty ok
[19:28] <malro> how do i do the cube efects
[19:28] <trappist> Megabyte: they can be improved post-install, too
[19:28] <trappist> !compiz | malro
[19:28] <ubotu> malro: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:28] <trappist> woah, that was fast
[19:28] <Megabyte> trappist: you're right. I want to save time. But Slackware's most weak point isn't the difficulty, unless you want to use japanese
[19:28] <Megabyte> trappist: Slackware's most weak point is the lack of polishing
[19:28] <Megabyte> IMHO
[19:29] <Megabyte> at least design polishing
[19:29] <Megabyte> everything looks vanilla
[19:29] <trappist> Megabyte: I don't need polish on a server :)  but then I do like good distro tools on a server
[19:29] <Megabyte> trappist: it does want to be vanilla, but I don't want to deal with vanilla design
[19:29] <Megabyte> trappist: What distro tools does Kubuntu have?
[19:30] <Megabyte> erm
[19:30] <intelikey> servers are all strawberry
[19:30] <Megabyte> server tools
[19:30] <Megabyte> I mean
[19:30] <trappist> Megabyte: well quite a few, can you narrow your query?
[19:30] <trappist> Megabyte: first one that comes to mind is apt, of course
[19:30] <Megabyte> trappist: Ok. What tools are you referring to when you say you do like good distro tools on a server?
[19:31] <trappist> nice init scripts so I don't have to use things like apachectl
[19:31] <Megabyte> trappist: sure. Slackware does come with checkinstall now and you can also get swaret / slapt-get
[19:31] <Megabyte> trappist: ok, good point
[19:31] <Megabyte> even though I don't use apache
[19:31] <Megabyte> but it's a good point for those who do need it
[19:31] <genii> trappist: The start-stop scripts for most things are in /etc/init.d/
[19:31] <trappist> Megabyte: same applies for like postfix etc.
[19:32] <trappist> genii: yeah I know :)
[19:32] <mithraic> I don't see a clicky-clicky option in KDesktop 3.x to to assign hotkeys for the multiple desktops. Is there a way?
[19:32]  * intelikey pours coffee for genii
[19:33] <Megabyte> trappist: What I didn't like on Linux Mint and I hope it won't happen on Kubuntu in the future is: do NOT include breaking software on stable OS versions
[19:33] <Megabyte> trappist: Mint's installer just sucks
[19:33] <genii> intelikey: Ah, thanks :)
[19:33]  * genii sips
[19:33] <Megabyte> I actually broke Linux Mint's CD
[19:34] <Megabyte> trappist: Did I mention the installer is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow?
[19:34] <eddieftw> !offtopic
[19:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:34] <trappist> Megabyte: well there's always a tradeoff between having new software and having stable software, and I think (k)ubuntu found a good medium.  regular 6 month release cycles, with a super-stable, long-term support release every coupla years.
[19:34] <Megabyte> trappist: I hope so :D
[19:34] <moope1> How do I set up scripts so I can double click on an Icon and execute them
[19:34] <Megabyte> trappist: Slackware's release cycle is now of 1 year, but if you want more current software you can get slackware-current
[19:35] <trappist> Megabyte: but unless you enable backports repositories and such, you won't find your software unexpectedly upgrading to new, incomptible, broken versions
[19:35] <intelikey> ok rerouted the cables there      much better!
[19:35] <Megabyte> I only had problems with -current two times, I think
[19:35] <intelikey> moope1 right click the desktop and creat a launcher    point it at the script   use the advanced options and have it run in konsole if needed.
[19:35] <Megabyte> trappist: you mean about Kubuntu?
[19:36] <trappist> Megabyte: ubuntu in general, yeah
[19:36] <Megabyte> sounds cool
[19:36] <intelikey> moope1 while you are configuring the launcher   set the icon
[19:37] <krabador> hey people, someone can help me to install http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=66685
[19:37] <intelikey> moope1 if you dont want it on the desktop  you can drag it to the taskbar
[19:37] <Megabyte> trappist: btw, how is Debian doing? I haven't heard of it for a while
[19:37] <trappist> Megabyte: once a version is "released" it's released - people like to whine about not having the new version of this or that, that just came out a coupla weeks ago, but once you install a release, the updates are bugfixes, seldom version upgrades.  the preferred approach is to apply a specific bugfix patch, rebuild, release the update
[19:37] <trappist> Megabyte: heh, afaik it's still going strong, but I haven't been paying attention for a while either
[19:38] <Megabyte> trappist: so (?)Ubuntu distros in general just release actual binary patches instead of replacing whole packages?
[19:39] <intelikey> Megabyte i think you misread that.
[19:40] <trappist> Megabyte: no, you get the whole package, but they don't (usually) upgrade the whole package to the fixed version - they patch the source to fix the relevant bug without breaking known-good functionality, rebuild, release the fixed package
[19:40] <trappist> Megabyte: like if they put out firefox 3 tomorrow, you won't see it in your apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:41] <Megabyte> intelikey: say, if I need a package and Kubuntu doesn't provide it, how easy it is to build my own package from source?
[19:41] <trappist> Megabyte: it's almost exactly as hard as it is with redhat, but quite a bit different.
[19:42] <Megabyte> trappist: it's hard even with checkinstall?
[19:42] <trappist> Megabyte: if you don't care about doing it right, you can always use checkinstall :)
[19:42] <Megabyte> trappist: great :D
[19:42] <trappist> but those of us who've been down that road have sworn off checkinstall
[19:42] <intelikey> pretty simple for most things.   there is always the occcasional source that is hard to build on any distro except the writers own modified system.
[19:43] <Megabyte> intelikey: true.
[19:43] <Megabyte> But I have to say, checkinstall is pretty handy when you need it
[19:43] <trappist> plus intelikey knows how to do it :)  the hard part isn't doing it, it's learning how
[19:43] <intelikey> !b-e | Megabyte just a common note on source building
[19:44] <Megabyte> intelikey: !b-e?
[19:44] <intelikey> bot call
[19:44] <intelikey> ubotu is just not answering me.
[19:44] <intelikey> !botsmack
[19:45] <Megabyte> intelikey: I was going to stick to pc-bsd, but there are things they insist on not fixing. Breaks my heart, because their project leader is always willing to listen
[19:45] <mithraic> So confirmed: Tightvnc, realvnc, etc. are all dog-slow under KDE 4, and not under KDE 3.
[19:46] <Megabyte> intelikey: pc-bsd has the pbi system, which is very interesting. But it should use it more.
[19:46] <intelikey> oh well the infonode tells you to look for ubuntu packages first and then if you need to compile be sure you have "build-essential" installed first.  and points you at a page with other useful info.
[19:46] <mithraic> Does KDE 4 use some kind of double-buffering or other trickery?
[19:46] <mithraic> And if so, is there any way I can turn it off?
[19:47] <intelikey> Megabyte hmmm i have actually never used *bsd
[19:47] <SSJ_GZ> mithraic: In Qt4, all widgets are double-buffered by default.
[19:47] <Megabyte> intelikey: FreeBSD itself is pretty interesting. Its documentation rocks.
[19:47] <SSJ_GZ> mithraic: I think there's an environment variable that disables it for newly started apps.  Hang on ...
[19:48] <intelikey> i would probably like it  from what i have heard,  but just never got around to trying it.
[19:48] <mithraic> I wouldn't think that just a fullscreen VNC display would really be rendering into a Qt widget, but I could be wrong.
[19:50] <intelikey> ok i'm out on last rounds,   see you fellows in a while.
[19:50] <Megabyte> intelikey: see you!
[19:54] <derdui_> Hi ive got a problem with cubs, everytime i whant to add a printer, cups doesnt accept my username and/or password
[19:58] <eddieftw> !grub
[19:58] <ubot3> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:00] <Regital> hey
[20:00] <Regital> anyone have the Samsung T10 mp3 player?
[20:00] <babalo> hi...something weird...I've installed kubuntu on my old pc...installation good... went for installing on the other pc.....disk corrupted ....weird
[20:00] <jhutchins_wk> babalo: Same media?
[20:01] <babalo> what you mean
[20:01] <ForgeAus> does kde4 backport to feisty?
[20:01] <genii> Likely crappy Mitsumi or Acer cd drive unit.
[20:02] <babalo> it didn't let me install the base
[20:02] <stdin> ForgeAus: no
[20:02] <ForgeAus> awww :(
[20:03] <ForgeAus> ok I'm goina have to wait for the ibex then
[20:03] <babalo> but why....I've installed it on the other pc
[20:03] <coggz> hi guys, need some help installing kubuntu on an older machine
[20:04] <MilitantPotato> !codecs > MilitantPotato
[20:04] <coggz> tried desktop installer, but not enough ram
[20:05] <coggz> using alternate, but having big problems
[20:07] <babalo> so I can't install kubuntu I guess
[20:07] <coggz> aha, OEM mode seems to work
[20:08] <coggz> whats your problem babalo
[20:08] <babalo> it says cd corrupted
[20:09] <Regital> how can i get the myspace music player to work... it jsut says ¨undefined¨
[20:09] <babalo> but I've installed it on the other pc...coggz
[20:09] <babalo> weird
[20:10] <schemacs> regital: do you have firefox or konqueror?
[20:10] <coggz> hmm,
[20:10] <Regital> konqueror
[20:11] <coggz> babalo: i am trying to install on my pc, although i already have it on my laptop
[20:12] <coggz> babalo: its rather annoying
[20:12] <schemacs> Regital try flash in firefox.
[20:12] <babalo> it is...I have it on the old pc...but not this one
[20:12] <Regital> ok
[20:12] <babalo> it won't let me install the base
[20:12] <coggz> babalo: hmm, will it install?
[20:13] <babalo> well...I don't think I can install it without the base
[20:15] <trappist> man how did I ever live without pam_usb
[20:16] <Regital> schemacs, thanks. it worked
[20:16] <schemacs> np
[20:16] <schemacs> Regital
[20:17] <Regital> ?
[20:17] <schemacs> Also you may want to eventually give gnash a try.
[20:17] <schemacs> If you want to compile from source.
[20:17] <babalo> is it normal to have 3 linux native partitions?
[20:17] <schemacs> It's not quite stable yet, but it's open source.
[20:17] <schemacs> Don't do gnash from synaptic though.
[20:18] <flipstar> im out
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> babalo: linux native?
[20:19] <DarkestHour> Babalo, you are talking about your /home, "root" and swap partitions right?
[20:19] <ForgeAus> bablo normal no but not so unusual either
[20:19] <ForgeAus> its not the number of partitions that counts, its what you use them for :)
[20:20] <ForgeAus> (and how big they are)
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> yep
[20:20] <babalo> I have hda 8 now
[20:20] <babalo> I don't think I had that many before I tried to install kubuntu
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> / /home  and swap is a good bare minimum
[20:21] <ForgeAus> babalo 1 + a swap partition is enough for Kubuntu
[20:21] <babalo> I got one call swap swap lol
[20:21] <babalo> yes forgeaus but it won't let me install
[20:22] <ForgeAus> no need in having 2 swap partitions, generally additional partitions are for sharing with another operating system with a common filesystem
[20:22] <ForgeAus> or a non-native filesystem for another operating system itself
[20:23] <babalo> I mean do you think kubuntu took some place but didn't finish the installation..is that possible
[20:23] <MilitantPotato> sure, if the CD is bad
[20:23] <MilitantPotato> or you've got hardware issues, a setup can fail part way through
[20:24] <babalo> yes the cd is corrupt
[20:24] <MilitantPotato> burn a new one :)
[20:24] <mifauna> hola
[20:24] <MilitantPotato> if it's corrupt it's useless
[20:24] <babalo> I did
[20:24] <^Jsn^> does anyone know why the web browser in kubuntu does not acknowledge that i have an internet connection?  do you have to setup a network profile or some sort for it?
[20:24] <MilitantPotato> did you format your / partition and run the setup again?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> hey mifauna
[20:24] <babalo> but militantpotato..I've install it on the other pc..and went fine
[20:25] <ForgeAus> jsn that depends on your internet
[20:25] <ForgeAus> if you get it from DHCP it should work out of the box
[20:25] <^Jsn^> i'm connection threw dail up
[20:25] <babalo> no I didn't format anything
[20:25] <ForgeAus> but if you need to set up a static IP you ahve to do that manually
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: no, you need to kill a certain service... just a second
[20:25] <MilitantPotato> babalo: might give formating the / partition a try
[20:25] <babalo> dhcp yes forgeaus
[20:25] <MilitantPotato> EXT3 is a good choice
[20:25] <babalo> I never done it militant
[20:26] <MilitantPotato> are using the alternate text based?
[20:26] <ForgeAus> dialup uses a ppp program from memory...
[20:26] <mifauna> hola
[20:26] <babalo> yes militant
[20:26] <MilitantPotato> At some point, there's an option to manually configure the drives
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: system settings->advanced->service manager
[20:27] <^Jsn^> i'm there
[20:27] <babalo> yes and I have no idea how to do it...militant
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: and kill the "network status daemon"
[20:27] <babalo> lvm
[20:28] <^Jsn^> I don't have that as a coice
[20:28] <^Jsn^> only Network
[20:28] <coggz> yay, my installer is now working babalo
[20:28] <jussi01> !test
[20:28] <ubot3> Failed.
[20:28] <babalo> nice...coggz
[20:29] <MilitantPotato> babalo: are you dual booting?
[20:29] <babalo> yes....xp/suse
[20:29] <Arwen> wow, the desaturate filter in compiz is useful
[20:29] <Arwen> makes everything so much more readable
[20:29] <babalo> I wanna delete suse and replace it with kubuntu
[20:29] <MilitantPotato> Once you're in the installer, just choose manual
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: are you sure you are in "service manager"not "system services"?
[20:30] <babalo> yes I did that
[20:30] <DarkestHour> ^Jsn^: are you able to connect anything to the net with that computer? say for example, are you talking to us in konversation?
[20:30] <MilitantPotato> make a fairly large parition for / (root), one somewhere around 1-2gb for /home, and depending on your ram, a swap between 500mb and 2gb
[20:30] <babalo> but then it tells me to use all disk
[20:31] <MilitantPotato> babalo: if you do it manually you can pick and choose between the partitions
[20:31] <MilitantPotato> it's the bottom most option
[20:31] <^Jsn^> my bad. I was in system services
[20:31] <dhq> is there anyway to manually controll my fan
[20:31] <^Jsn^> just getting used to this
[20:31] <babalo> can I delete suse militant
[20:31] <^Jsn^> works now. Thanks ALOT!
[20:31] <MilitantPotato> yea, but formatting that partion :)
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> partition
[20:32] <^Jsn^> Will that service restart when i restart ubuntu, or will it stay stopped?
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> ^Jsn^: uncheck Load at start
[20:32] <babalo> see this where its complicate lol
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> babalo: do you know where suse is installed?
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> hda1, hda2 etc
[20:32] <^Jsn^> ok
[20:33] <babalo> hda2 I believe
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> babalo: if you know where what OS is installed, it's fairly straight forward
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> make sure you know
[20:33] <babalo> hda1 is xp
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> if ya format your windows part. you'll lose it
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> ok, so format hda2, mount point /, filesystem EXT3
[20:33] <Regital> does anyone know how to get Samsung T10 mp3 to work on kubuntu?
[20:33] <noiseidea> hello. does anyone know how to change the default language encoding in KAudioCreator? it defaults to Arabic, which naturally screws up umlauts and stuff like that?
[20:34] <schemacs> Regital:
[20:34] <babalo> can I pm you militant?
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> make sure you have a 500mb to 2gb partition with the filesystem SWAP, and if you want, a partition 1-2gb with the mount point /home EXT3 filesystem
[20:34] <schemacs> just a sec.
[20:34] <schemacs> brb
[20:34] <^Jsn^> Another question... Everytime I close Dolphin i get this error message "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/jason/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive."  Is this a common error?
[20:34] <frank_> MilitantPotato: you said 1-2Gb for /home    out of how much total?
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> babalo: sure
[20:34] <babalo> ty
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> frank_: sorry?
[20:35] <schemacs> back
[20:35] <schemacs> do you have amarok?
[20:35] <Regital> schemacs, yeah
[20:35] <frank_> MilitantPotato: i was just reading and /home is where you put all the extra capacity you don't need in / and swap
[20:35] <schemacs> Cool It should work well then.
[20:35] <ScorpKing> ^Jsn^: try - sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /home/jason/.kde/
[20:35] <Regital> really?
[20:35] <^Jsn^> what is that?
[20:36] <genii> ^Jsn^: sudo chown -R jason:jason /home/jason/.kde
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: have you ever started dolphin with "sudo dolphin'?
[20:36] <ScorpKing> hehe genii :P
[20:36] <genii> ScorpKing: hehe
[20:36] <^Jsn^> no
[20:36] <^Jsn^> what is chown?
[20:36] <Regital> schemacs, i cant talk in priv so just tell me there but i cant answer
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: well, what that does is give you write permissions to all files in your.kde
[20:36] <trappist> ^Jsn^: CHange OWNer
[20:36] <schemacs> ok
[20:37] <^Jsn^> oh ok
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: ooops, actually it changes the OWNER
[20:37] <^Jsn^> man there are alot of commands to remember
[20:37] <trappist> ^Jsn^: once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you ever got along without all those commands
[20:37] <Regital> 1001
[20:37] <genii> ^Jsn^: Likely you ran dolphin somehow previously with root permissions and it made the bookmarks file unchangeable to the regular owner
[20:37]  * ScorpKing agrees with trappist..
[20:37] <Y-Town> Why do I keep getting this error when I close Dolphin: Unable to save bookmarks in /home/dan/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.....My drive is not even remotley close to full  :o)
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: be careful with using the number.....
[20:38] <trappist> Y-Town: probably the same reason as ^Jsn^ :)
[20:38]  * nosrednaekim thinks about copy and pasting....
[20:38] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown -r jason:jason ~/
[20:38] <MilitantPotato> nothing in ~/ should be owned by root or another user
[20:39] <genii> MilitantPotato: Since the .kde dir is hidden, specifying it doesn't hurt
[20:39] <jussi01> Y-Town: if you have no special settings in dolphin, go delete that file as root
[20:39] <^Jsn^> it fixed it.   Thanks again!
[20:39] <trappist> Y-Town: try sudo chown -R <yourusername> /home/dan/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin
[20:39] <ScorpKing> nosrednaekim: yeah i know. i'll remember that. i'm used to being the only user. sudo won't work anyway if the user don't belong to the admin group. ;)
[20:39]  * ScorpKing makes a note..
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: true.
[20:39] <trappist> ScorpKing: unless you have a user-specific entry in sudoers
[20:39] <MilitantPotato> frank_: if you have over 1.5gb of ram, swap is rarely used, and if your / partition is sizeable, having a fairly large /home mountpoint won't hurt, lets you put large files on your desktop
[20:40] <jussi01> that error occurs when you use the root here function in dolphin
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> swap is used for hibernate...
[20:40] <MilitantPotato> frank_: Wine will take up loads of space I've noticed, my /home is nearly 3gb
[20:40] <ScorpKing> trappist: true.. it took me a while to figure out visudo. hehe
[20:40]  * nosrednaekim laughs and shows off his 30GB /home
[20:40] <Y-Town> trappist: I did that and it worked... was it just a permissions issue?
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> Y-Town: yep
[20:41] <trappist> ScorpKing: I just installed and configured pamusb, so instead of entering a password for sudo I can just insert my usb stick :)
[20:41] <frank_> MilitantPotato: yes I know but 1-2 GB for /home  strikes me as pretty small unless you're really limited in space
[20:41] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: so swap needs to be larger then your total system memory?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: correct... 1.5 to 20 times
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> *2.0
[20:41] <trappist> Y-Town: yeah some apps, when you run them as root, will set root ownerships on their config/data files, and cause this issue
[20:41] <ScorpKing> trappist: i was looking for something like that. thanks for the tip. :)
[20:41] <trappist> Y-Town: it happens with vim if the first thing you do is something like sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:41] <Y-Town> trappist: thank you
[20:41] <trappist> ScorpKing: pamusb.org
[20:42] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: seems there's lots of misinformed people (myself included)
[20:42] <trappist> wth?
[20:42] <trappist> swap doesn't *have* to be larger than your system memory
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> to hibernate correctly it does
[20:42] <trappist> nosrednaekim: oh, right :)  I'm not a hibernator
[20:42] <MilitantPotato> So if you've got 4gb of ram you need 6-8gb of swap?
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> yup
[20:42] <Y-Town> trappist: I came in at the end of jsn's question and remembered I had a issue with dolphion as well  :o)
[20:43] <MilitantPotato> ouch
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> but hey... if you have 4GB of ram....8GB of disk space should be nothin ;)
[20:43] <MilitantPotato> yep
[20:43] <trappist> MilitantPotato: if you're not using all that ram you can probably get away with less.  but if you ARE and it's not big enough, you might be sad.
[20:43] <Regital> schemacs: yeah it didnt work...
[20:43] <wolfspfote> hi...I have a serious problem with my xserver....because of the old version in the repositorys I installed the nvidia driver from their homepage....but when it modifies xorg.conf...nothing works
[20:44] <trappist> wolfspfote: don't let it modify xorg.conf
[20:44] <trappist> wolfspfote: and, don't use those drivers - use the ones from the repos
[20:44] <Regital> schemacs, it says Could not connect to MTP Device
[20:44] <wolfspfote> I have to use dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg to get all working again
[20:44] <trappist> wolfspfote: setting the driver to "nvidia" should suffice
[20:44]  * martijn81 uses smxi for that
[20:45] <wolfspfote> trappist: thats the next problem...I wanted to get the repo driver back....but then x also wont start....because of the kernel module version isnt the same as the driver...
[20:45] <wolfspfote> the nvidia original driver recompiled the nvidia module
[20:46] <trappist> wolfspfote: yeah once you've installed the nvidia.com driver it's hard to get rid of
[20:46] <wolfspfote> any hints?
[20:46] <trappist> wolfspfote: you might try envy
[20:46] <wolfspfote> uhm...thats this install script....isnt it?
[20:46] <trappist> !envy
[20:46] <ubot3> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:47] <wolfspfote> yes...
[20:47] <martijn81> i am glad i vacn
[20:47] <wolfspfote> trappist: du you also know how to get 2 screens to work ?
[20:47] <martijn81> oops
[20:47] <martijn81> i am glad i can use smxi for this, it' s such a nice script for sidux
[20:48] <wolfspfote> some hours ago someone sent me a link in here....but it was under windows...and now I am running linux again
[20:48] <Fat-head> on ubuntu i was able to type in terminal: gksu nautilus. what do i type in kubuntu ?
[20:48] <cuznt> did you try the same thing?
[20:48] <Fat-head> doesnt work
[20:48] <martijn81> Fat-head: kdesu konqueror
[20:48] <Fat-head> kk thnx
[20:48] <MilitantPotato> I liked the old envy message better
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> Which method of backing up is best for an external hard drive to copy / to?
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> dd just mucked my partitions up, cp failed miserably
[20:52] <SlimeyPete> rsync's useful if you need to resume after a crash
[20:52] <MilitantPotato> rsync would let me copy the filesystem back over?
[20:53] <Fat-head> has anyone been able to update their bios using a dell inspiron e1505/6400 ?
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> with ubuntu?
[20:53] <trappist> MilitantPotato: yep, and it does a lot of other cool stuff too.  if you do another backup, it'll only transfer compressed diffs of changed files, instead of copying the whole thing over again.
[20:53] <SlimeyPete> MilitantPotato: it essentially functions like cp but it'll resume files.
[20:53] <Fat-head> yeh
[20:53] <SlimeyPete> well, rather it won't bother copying data that's already there
[20:53] <trappist> MilitantPotato: but if you're transferring to a fat-formatted drive, you'll lose all your file ownerships and permissions
[20:54] <MilitantPotato> Awsome, I tried flyback, seemed great but I couldn't restore the install and have it boot.
[20:54] <Tm_T> intelikey: aww, root <3
[20:54] <MilitantPotato> is EXT2 ok?
[20:54] <Fat-head> nosrednaekin yes with ubuntu, u have ?
[20:54] <trappist> MilitantPotato: oh if you want it to boot, you'll want to use dd... copying files won't reinstall your boot sector
[20:54] <Fat-head> nosrednaekim yes with ubuntu u have ?
[20:54] <trappist> dd or g4u (ghost for unix)
[20:55] <intelikey> Tm_T :)
[20:55] <MilitantPotato> trappist: my mbr is on hda0, linux on hda3, if I do dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/sdc1 will that work?
[20:55] <trappist> MilitantPotato: if sdc1 is a partition big enough to hold hda3, yes
[20:56] <MilitantPotato> ok, I'll go that route next time
[20:56] <trappist> MilitantPotato: err... come to think of it, I'm not sure I've tried dd on a partition - only on a whole drive
[20:56] <MilitantPotato> trappist:yea that's where I'm lost
[20:56] <trappist> but I don't see why it wouldn't work
[20:56] <intelikey> anyone know what rez vga=771 produces ?
[20:56] <intelikey> off hand that is ^
[20:56] <MilitantPotato> I can't do a whole drive
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> Fat-head: no.... but look on the dell section of th ubuntu forums
[20:57] <Fat-head> k
[20:57] <MilitantPotato> Fat-head: It's advisable to update bios from a floppy
[20:57] <martijn81> never use wine for that though
[20:57] <intelikey> trappist: my mbr is on hda0, <<<<  MBR on a partition ???
[20:57] <MilitantPotato> Fat-head: if it goes bad, you'll need a new CMOS chip, or a new mobo
[20:57] <Fat-head> thnx guys
[20:57] <Fat-head> oh
[20:57] <intelikey> MilitantPotato how did you manage that ?
[20:57] <Fat-head> but i use a notebook which doesnt have a floppy
[20:58] <trappist> intelikey: 800x600
[20:58] <trappist> intelikey: good catch :)
[20:58] <martijn81> Fat-head: i dunno where your comment comes from, but you could always use a usb disk
[20:59] <intelikey> trappist ty.  didn't mean for you to go googling for me tho.  just thought someone might know without looking it up
[20:59] <MilitantPotato> intelikey: sorry, I meant grub
[20:59] <trappist> intelikey: I had a text file handy
[20:59] <intelikey> ah thanks.
[20:59] <MilitantPotato> Got the flu, my brain isn't cooperating
[21:00] <intelikey> i wanted to use the same resolution for watching vidios as the frame buffer was set to, so that it didn't leave me in the dark when the movie ended.
[21:01] <intelikey> MilitantPotato i stand under you.
[21:01] <slow-motion> hi
[21:03] <eddieftw> hi slow-motion
[21:04] <intelikey> i just handed my self a fist full of movies, which i accepted graciously of course...
[21:06] <schemacs> regital: when u plug in the samsung player does a usb device pop up or anything?
[21:06] <Regital> schemacs, no
[21:06] <schemacs> regital join channel #stuff
[21:06] <trappist> intelikey: so now you can tell us - really, which is better, giving or receiving?
[21:07] <Regital> hold on i think i found some help
[21:07] <intelikey> trappist sure is.
[21:07] <trappist> heh.
[21:08] <magistrum> hi ppl :) can anyone give me a bit of help
[21:08] <trappist> !ask
[21:08] <ubot3> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[21:09] <magistrum> i have a problem with my sound card in vista it always shows headphones, and when i installed pclinux my soundcard worked i was happy but i love kubuntu and my soundcard doesnt work in it because pclinux has an option in mixer to split headphones from speakers pls help
[21:10] <magistrum> any ideas
[21:11] <magistrum> :( none
[21:11] <trappist> magistrum: patience.
[21:11] <magistrum> ooo ok :) that i need to learn to have, iam new to irc... i tohught its instant answer forgot ppl need to think lol
[21:12] <sredna> is kmail buggyness a kubuntu specific issue?
[21:12]  * ScorpKing thinks and wonder why people never read the channel topic..
[21:12] <sredna> it crashes sending mail in some cases
[21:13] <trappist> sredna: nope :)  all the bugs I've run into are acknowledged upstream
[21:13] <sredna> i just lost a long mail
[21:13] <sredna> does anyone know of a functioning mail client?
[21:13] <magistrum> steta :)
[21:13] <magistrum> bad
[21:13] <magistrum> jea
[21:13] <magistrum> thunderbird
[21:13] <magistrum> mozzila
[21:14] <magistrum> just download from www.mozzila.com or something like that
[21:14] <ScorpKing> !enter > magistrum
[21:14] <sredna> i even saved it in drafts, but activating it there moves it away it seems :-(
[21:14] <Y-Town> I am trying to change my resolution on my monitor and it keeps going back to what it currently is...  any ideas as to why?
[21:14] <ScorpKing> sredna: sudo aptitude install thunderbird
[21:14] <sredna> i would so hate having to do that
[21:15] <magistrum> hmm bug
[21:15] <ScorpKing> sredna: i would prever using kmail myself but it really misbehave sometimes ;)
[21:15] <magistrum> hmm any ideas for my sound :) sory to bother but my installation kubunut ended and iwant to restart
[21:16] <magistrum> scorpking any ideas on me
[21:16] <magistrum> !
[21:16] <ScorpKing> !sound | magistrum
[21:16] <ubot3> magistrum: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:16] <sredna> it's possibly having to do with kmail checking adresses
[21:17] <magistrum> hmm i did that already, the problem is in mixer, he cannot dicifer the headphones from speakers so speakers dont work
[21:17] <Regital> schemacs, i got it to work with rhythmbox
[21:17] <schemacs> sweet
[21:18] <schemacs> regital: is it an mtp device to you know?
[21:18] <magistrum> ok nothing going to reboot cya guys
[21:18] <ScorpKing> magistrum: no idea then. hang around till someone else can help or search on google
[21:18] <magistrum> ok
[21:18] <schemacs> regital: did it work out of the box?
[21:18] <Regital> schemacs, no i had to install some packages for it
[21:19] <mohamed_> hello all, is it possible to install windows XP on kubuntu because i need it for testing ?
[21:19] <Regital> mohamed_ do you mean dual-boot?
[21:19] <mohamed_> Regital, no, i mean i run it from kubuntu
[21:20] <intelikey> !vmware
[21:20] <ubot3> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[21:20] <schemacs> virtualbox is better.
[21:20] <Regital> mohamed_ well i cant help with that
[21:20] <schemacs> Xen is fun.
[21:21] <mohamed_> thx all and Regital  where i can start ?
[21:21] <Regital> well you can ask around and see if anyone can help
[21:22] <the_darkside_986> is it possible to install KDE4 and have completely separate menus between KDE3 and 4. i want to have KDE4 but only if i can isolate it from KDE3.5
[21:22] <mohamed_> Regital, just give me a link or doc to read then i start when i face troubles i back ask again here :)
[21:22] <ForgeAus> theDarkside theres a few ways of doing that
[21:22] <ForgeAus> one is to use vmware
[21:23] <ForgeAus> or some other kind of virtualization (virtualbox, qemu) hmm not sure about usermode linux...
[21:23] <magistrum> back
[21:23] <mohamed_> thx ForgeAus i look now to virtualbox
[21:24] <the_darkside_986> i was wanting to set up session manager to be able to choose 3 or 4, but the last time i installed KDE 4 it made my menu a complete mess. I'd like to slowly  migrate to KDE4 so I can learn its API and new features.
[21:24] <magistrum> now antoher question after instalation the kubuntu told me my nvidia controler is not on, would i want to turn it on when i say yes it crashes
[21:24] <ForgeAus> thedarkside thats why virtualization is good
[21:24] <ForgeAus> it works as a sandbox :)
[21:24] <magistrum> that other adpt is using him
[21:25] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure a simple nested shell (sure it gives you a new environment) would work
[21:25] <ForgeAus> if you alter a file it stays altered ...
[21:26] <magistrum> anything on Nvidia Cards, can anyone help on that
[21:26] <ForgeAus> I don't know if kmenu has the ability to create some kinda profile where the menu is a user-specific one or not
[21:27] <ForgeAus> or run off a user-specific profile anyway
[21:27] <mohamed_> all screenshots for kubuntu i see 3D and i never become happy with this due to ATI :)
[21:27] <the_darkside_986> i am thinking... i guess i could just edit my menus manually to either remove 3 or 4 entries as i see fit. hopefully it is easy to tell which menu entry is for KDE4 and which is for 3... i tried KDE4 once but i miss it already. the icon rotation feature is so much fun.
[21:27] <ForgeAus> mohamed I hear ya
[21:28] <ForgeAus> sounds it darkside :)
[21:28] <ForgeAus> I have yet to touch those waters :)
[21:28] <ForgeAus> but I will.. someday... soon
[21:28] <mohamed_> ForgeAus, all hardware i own is amd, ATI :)
[21:28] <ForgeAus> mohamed with me its Intel, Asus, ATI
[21:29] <mohamed_> ForgeAus, can i run 3D compiz with my ATI ?
[21:29] <ForgeAus> gotta say I'm luvin my 22" widescreen lcd tho :)
[21:29] <Beaver{rRr}> what's easiest way to set up NAT on linux comp, and connect windows vista to it?
[21:29] <ForgeAus> mohamed yes I think you can it just may not be easy to set up
[21:30] <ForgeAus> Beaver you mean IP routing?
[21:30] <Beaver{rRr}> ForgeAus: yes
[21:30] <ForgeAus> hehe I wouldn't know
[21:30] <Beaver{rRr}> lulz
[21:30] <mohamed_> ForgeAus,  i already download the latest ATI driver yesterday and install it but i fail, i have ATI x1200 builtin
[21:32] <magistrum> hi
[21:32] <magistrum> i have an issue with kubuntu with nvidia card can anyone help pls
[21:32] <ScorpKing> !nvidia | magistrum
[21:32] <ubot3> magistrum: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:33] <magistrum> ok thnx
[21:36] <the_darkside_986> i just added the newest kde4 repository to apt, but when i search for kde4-core it keeps showing the older pre-release. any ideas?
[21:37] <martijn81> the_darkside_986: you done a sudo apt-get update too
[21:38] <the_darkside_986> i thought i did but i'll try again
[21:39] <magistrum> hej scorpion king i did what you sad, but it sad it cant fech the file for my nvidia card :) something about Restricted Drivers any idea whats that
[21:41] <the_darkside_986> how do i tell if a package is from a certain repository? i want to make sure kde4-core is the right one before doing an install.
[21:41] <intelikey> apt-cache policy package
[21:42] <the_darkside_986> thanks
[21:42] <intelikey> anyone know how to get vlc to do dvd/menu in console ?
[21:42] <MilitantPotato> Where are KDE theme and kicker settings stored?
[21:43] <the_darkside_986> kde4-core keeps asking me to insert my kubuntu dvd so i don't think it is the correct newest version of KDE4 :/
[21:43] <intelikey> MilitantPotato just a guess   ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker     or something like that.
[21:43] <martijn81> MilitantPotato: somewhere in ~/.kde/share/config i guess
[21:43] <mohamed_> thx all now i add virtualbox to my repository and will install later, ForgeAus back to ATI i realy is there any how to for run this card ?
[21:44] <slow-motion> n8
[21:44] <intelikey> yeah listen to martijn81 s/he probably has kde installed,    i don't
[21:44] <derdui_> Hi can anybody help me with that errorlog?http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/83658/
[21:44] <intelikey> error of what ?
[21:45] <derdui_> cups error
[21:46] <intelikey> add self to cupsd or cupsys group
[21:46] <intelikey> or possably   lpd or lpadmin
[21:47] <onavarrete> hello everybody, is possible to configure a Windows Live mail account using Kmail?
[21:48] <cpk1> onavarrete: does windows live let you use pop?
[21:48] <intelikey> oh yuch   you also have a bad driver.    E [10/Mar/2008:22:25:46 +0100] Syntax error on line 20 of printers.conf
[21:48] <onavarrete> no it doesn't cpk,
[21:48] <intelikey> or maybe not driver.   configuration file.
[21:48] <derdui_> iam in the group lpadmin, and that driver is original form canon
[21:49] <intelikey> doesn't mean it will work with *buntu
[21:49] <onavarrete> i used to manage my mail with evolution (ubuntu)
[21:49] <onavarrete> but now I switch to KDE
[21:49] <intelikey> derdui_ is it "for ubuntu"  or is it a debian package ?
[21:50] <derdui_> well, on the german page, ther ist a documentation for the installation
[21:50] <intelikey> or a generic  ppd ?
[21:50]  * intelikey doesn't buy printers that need drivers.
[21:52] <onavarrete> I think I found the solution!! thanks anyway cpk
[21:52] <intelikey> if echo "Hello world. \n" >/dev/lp0   doesn't print i don't want it.
[21:59]  * intelikey has also learned to "hate" dvd's due to DRM
[22:04] <derdui_> thats my printers.conf,http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/83739/ dies anybody know whats wrong there?
[22:06] <intelikey> the error said line 20     20 DeviceURI   <<<   try just commenting it out and see if it helps
[22:08] <intelikey> howto convert .vob to something useful ?
[22:09] <derdui_> doesnt work intelikey
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: Try http://www.zamzar.com/ but if the file is bigger 100 mb, it won't work
[22:12] <intelikey> derdui_ idk.
[22:12] <intelikey> Odd-rationale heh what .vob is not larger than 100m ???
[22:12] <intelikey> these are all 10 times that.
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: some... You cut it into ten pieces...
[22:13] <derdui_> what do you mean intelikey
[22:13] <intelikey> idk=i don't know.
[22:14] <intelikey> irc hicup
[22:14] <derdui_> hmmm.... oki, now the password is accepted, but the printer doesnt prints a testpage
[22:15] <intelikey> derdui_ showed to be paused.   use kdesudo and run the print manager as root to un-pause the printer and see if that helps
[22:15] <intelikey> cups is not me cups of tee
[22:16] <derdui_> whats the order to run the manager?
[22:17] <intelikey> idk i dont have kde installed.
[22:17] <intelikey> kprint[tab][tab]
[22:17] <ScorpKing> how can i add the contents of cell 1A on sheet1-50 in Oo calc? maybe something like =SUM(SHEET(??).A1) ?
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: This *might* convert .vob's http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652843
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> I don't remember.
[22:19] <intelikey> i'll have a look   thanks
[22:19] <ForgeAus> oo.o isn't really kubuntu-specific is there a channel for that?
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: Are you trying to pirate dvd's :P
[22:21] <alallalala> holaa
[22:21] <intelikey> Odd-rationale yes absolutely,  trying to RIP from disk to hdd and put in a usable format so i can watch at a whim.
[22:21] <derdui_> the printer is inactive but were can i change this? i found nothing in the printermamager
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: Can you not rip the dvd --> .ogg
[22:22] <intelikey> .vob will play in vlc  but there has to be a better format.
[22:23] <gianni> Hi all
[22:23] <DaSkreech> intelikey: hey
[22:23] <intelikey> Odd-rationale .ogg would be fine with me.   it's the ripping that takes some doing
[22:23] <gianni>  I have a problem with apt-get update, can you help me?
[22:23] <intelikey> DaSkreech
[22:24] <gianni> I'm a newbie :(
[22:24] <Odd-rationale> !ask | gianni
[22:24] <ubot3> gianni: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:25] <gianni> I install kubuntu 7.10 and I'm online with Ethernet
[22:25] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Wouldn't happen to be on Hardy?
[22:25] <intelikey> nope   dapper
[22:26] <gianni> but when I run command 'apt-get update' it is timeout..
[22:26] <gianni> I must download driver to wireless
[22:26] <intelikey> seeing that hardy is supposed to be LTS  i may use it when it swims
[22:27] <intelikey> !wifi | gianni have you checked here ?
[22:27] <ubot3> gianni have you checked here ?: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:28] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Just did a dist-upgrade from dapper to hardy
[22:28] <intelikey> kewl.   figured it could be done.    but it may work better after the release :)
[22:29] <gianni> no, no I know what I must use to run wireless. My problem is that if I run 'apt-get update' it does timeout
[22:30] <intelikey> pastebin your sources.list
[22:30] <gianni> here?
[22:30] <intelikey> no
[22:30] <DaSkreech> !paste
[22:30] <ubot3> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:30] <gianni> ok
[22:30]  * DaSkreech is always fascinated by people who can't get on the net but are on IRC :)
[22:31] <DaSkreech> intelikey: can't get KDE to boot thouugh :(
[22:31] <intelikey> there was a bug about that was there not
[22:31] <intelikey> to boot ?   kde isn't an operating system, it's a desktop environment
[22:31] <intelikey> oh you mean to start
[22:32] <intelikey> DaSkreech tried startx from a console to see why ?
[22:33] <gianni> ... I think, Ipasted my source.list here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59194/
[22:33] <DaSkreech> intelikey: need to get hal working first
[22:34] <intelikey> hal is not needed for kde
[22:34] <DaSkreech> I know but I can't remove xfce till I fix hal
[22:34] <intelikey> kde will make use of it.  but you can run kde without it
[22:34] <intelikey> oh
[22:35] <gianni> when apt-get connect first link, it does timeout
[22:36] <gianni> and second, third.. all
[22:36] <intelikey> i can't ping http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com   can you ?
[22:37] <gianni> yes I do
[22:37] <gianni> i can ping
[22:37] <gianni> i can ping all link but they do timeout with apt-get
[22:38] <RickKnight> I am trying to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy. At "installing the upgrades" the process hung at 56% (sendmail-bin). My system isn't crashed but the upgrade has been on this file for 40 minutes now. What should I do?
[22:40] <derdui_> > hat jemand ne idee, warum mein drucker nicht druckt, obwohl er erkannt wurde per lsusb wird der angezeigt.... aber im cubs steht das:> CanonIp2200 (Standarddrucker) "Unable to open USB port device file: No such file or directory"
[22:41] <stdin> !de | derdui_
[22:41] <ubot3> derdui_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:41] <derdui_> sorry, i was in the wrong window
[22:42] <wastedfluid> hey guys.  I'm trying to hoko up an external monitor to my laptop.  If I plug up the monitor to my laptop and restart x, It displays it perfectly!  But, as soon as I login to kde 3.5.8, or kde4, it goes black and says No Support.. anyone know how to do this?
[22:42] <gianni> ehm, are there solution for apt-get update timeout with new kubuntu 7.10 installation?
[22:43] <selckin> chage to a diffrend mirror
[22:43] <wastedfluid>  But why does it work at the login screen?  Obviously it works at some point..  I've used this monitor back when I had windows installed
[22:43] <wastedfluid> so u think its just incompatible?
[22:43] <gianni> where I can all mirror?
[22:43] <gianni> where do I find all mirror?
[22:46] <ScorpKing> !sources
[22:46] <ubot3> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[22:46] <ScorpKing> gianni: try to look there ^
[22:46] <ubotwo> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[22:47] <gianni> my source.list is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59194/ and I can ping all link. thanks for link now I read them
[22:49] <gianni> I used these link tomorrow but the 'Adept Manager' not respond then four hours.. so now I test shell but I look timeout
[22:50] <sfears> i'm having problems with the computer shutting down when i close the laptop lid.. i've already set power management to "do nothing" for both ac & battery power.. any ideas where else a setting like that could be?
[22:53] <gianni> any ideas?
[22:54] <stdin> ubotwo: part
[22:56] <gianni> sorry no tomorrow but yesterday..
[23:01] <Phantom-Ex> Anyone know the syntax of /etc/inittab ?
[23:01] <macdunbar> does any one know if i compiled my own kernel for my macbook will updates screw it up later?
[23:02] <ForgeAus> macdunbar perhas you'd be better to ask in #OSX or something?... as ofr compiling your own kernel then it depends on what the updates are
[23:02] <ForgeAus> theres a few dangers tho
[23:02] <ForgeAus> one that the other software will assume your kernel is a standard one...
[23:02] <macdunbar> well it's the kernel for my kubuntu install
[23:02] <gianni> bye
[23:02] <intelikey> that was an interesting run...
[23:03] <ForgeAus> and two that an update might be an update to the kernel itself, which could make things nasty...
[23:03] <ForgeAus> interesting run at what?
[23:03] <intelikey> at work.
[23:03] <gianni> ?
[23:03] <ForgeAus> so what happened that was so interesting?
[23:03] <macdunbar> ForgeAus: thx i think i'll just not install any updates for the kernel
[23:03] <intelikey> oh just the way it played out.
[23:04] <intelikey> it's calls like that that make this job worth doing.
[23:04] <intelikey> !ot | me
[23:04] <ubot3> me: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:05] <Phantom-Ex> What is the difference between the 2-5 runlevels?
[23:05] <intelikey> Phantom-Ex nothing
[23:05] <intelikey> not unless you change something that is.
[23:05]  * intelikey uses runlevel 9
[23:08] <Phantom-Ex> After I create more ttys how would I access them? Same way just with higher Function keys?
[23:08] <Phantom-Ex> intelikey ok
[23:09] <intelikey> Phantom-Ex yes.   and notice that left-alt+f1-12 is tty 1 through 12  but right-alt+f1-12  is tty 13 through 24
[23:10] <Phantom-Ex> intelikey thx
[23:10] <intelikey> and you don't "create more ttys"   unless you do actually mean compile the kernel to support more than 255 tty's ....   you simply access them.
[23:11] <intelikey> pasting file /usr/local/bin/24
[23:11] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d745efff4
[23:12] <intelikey> Phantom-Ex if you know anything about shell grammor you can glean thoughts from that pastebin
[23:12] <Phantom-Ex> ok
[23:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello. what do I need to get mkv playback on kubuntu?
[23:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> !mkv
[23:15] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:15] <intelikey> wishen this boxen had front usb port now....
[23:16] <shroedi> Guten Abend
[23:17] <shroedi> !nvidia
[23:17] <ubot3> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:18] <intelikey> tov yom aleichem
[23:18] <shroedi> Ist hier jemand der Deutsch chatet?
[23:19] <intelikey> !de
[23:19] <ubot3> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:19] <shroedi> THX
[23:19] <intelikey> d'nada
[23:20] <Regital> hey, im trying to install java, and when i get to the website there are 2 different installation files
[23:20] <Regital> Linux RPM and Linux, which one should i install?
[23:21] <Y-Town> tar.gz
[23:21] <intelikey> !java | Regital
[23:21] <ubot3> Regital: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[23:21] <Regital> intelikey, thanks
[23:21] <intelikey> welcome
[23:24] <intelikey> i wonder why ^l doesn't clear the screen on one console but does on others
[23:24]  * intelikey investigates
[23:25] <intelikey> i think it's because bash is /bin/bash on that console....
[23:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> is there any good sites or howto's for bash scripting?
[23:26] <intelikey> yep that was/is why.
[23:26] <stdin> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[23:26] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: ^
[23:26] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 and ask stdin    he a pro
[23:26] <intelikey> :)
[23:27] <stdin> well, I know my way round a shell ;)
[23:28] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 what i started to say was   #bash   has a really handy bash guide
[23:28] <Hydrogen> I'm a pro.
[23:28] <Hydrogen> that is all
[23:28] <intelikey> stdin heh.  i don't   i always get stuck in the shell     lol
[23:29] <stdin> kill -9 solves that :p
[23:29]  * intelikey looks for a way around shell....
[23:29] <intelikey> kill -9 -1 that is.
[23:29] <intelikey> sudo kill -9 -1
[23:29] <stdin> just unplug it, it's quicker
[23:30] <intelikey> not much
[23:30] <gundam_rx78nt1> thanks for the help stdin, intelikey.
[23:31] <intelikey> but i have a power box on top of my box,  i can flip the lighted toggle, and >>>>-<<<<
[23:31] <intelikey> lights out!
[23:32] <Regital> hmm...
[23:32] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 welcome.     and really stdin is good help with shell Q's   i play around in the shell a lot myself so if you need anything else...
[23:32] <Regital> i just installed java but still doesnt seem to work
[23:33] <Regital> wait... i forgot to restart firefox =D
[23:33] <stdin> "dosen't work" means nothing, what doesn't work and what have you tried
[23:33] <derdui_> Hi, one question, i have allready installed my canon ip2200 printer, i can see it in cups, bu ti cant print, and i cant change ist to local printer..... what can i do now?
[23:33] <intelikey>            ^
[23:34] <intelikey> remove and reinstall the printer as local
[23:34] <intelikey> ?
[23:47] <intelikey> someone care to chase down a package for me???      grep bin/startx /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
[23:47] <intelikey> oh never mind i have a box that has working xorg   i'll check on it.
[23:47] <LjL> intelikey, that command won't work, argument list too long
[23:48] <stdin> $ dpkg -S bin/startx
[23:48] <stdin> xinit: /usr/bin/startx
[23:48] <genii> "bash: /bin/grep: Argument list too long"
[23:48] <intelikey> LjL it would without the *
[23:48] <LjL> so it does
[23:48] <intelikey> thanks fellows.
[23:50] <LjL> intelikey,
[23:50] <LjL> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xinit.list:/usr/bin/startx
[23:50] <LjL> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xinit.md5sums:11d20dc99a56859d04bdeaa8e447ae8b  usr/bin/startx
[23:50] <intelikey> k  yeah stdin beat you to it.  but thanks.
[23:50] <LjL> wasn't sure it was the same thing.
[23:50] <asobi> what's the chan for kde4?
[23:50] <intelikey> yeah it is.   it's the  xinit package
[23:51] <intelikey> !kde4
[23:51] <ubot3> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:51] <asobi> thanks
[23:51] <stdin> dpkg -S is at its core a wrapper around grep <expression> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[23:52] <intelikey> stdin yeah    but it helps not when looking for non-installed packages.
[23:52] <stdin> intelikey: there's always packages.ubuntu.com to :)
[23:53] <intelikey> i haven't playes there much   can you search for things like startx there ?
[23:53] <stdin> yeah, you can search for files in packages
[23:54] <derdui_> Hi does anybody know a free version off turboprint? but one were i dont have that dammed banner in my picture^^
[23:54] <intelikey> k i'll make a note of that.
[23:59] <intelikey>    You have searched for filenames that contain /etc/X11/X in suite dapper, all sections, and
[23:59] <intelikey>    architecture(s) i386.
[23:59] <intelikey>    Sorry, your search gave no results
[23:59] <intelikey> seems that the search feature on that page leaves something to be desired.


[17:40] <thorwil> *yawn*
[20:15] <coz_> hey guys..I have several ideas for the unity/compiz release of 11.04..who would I talk to about this?
[20:16] <coz_> icon rather ^^
[20:22] <thorwil> coz_: idea/unity/compiz/icon?
[20:25] <thorwil> coz_: from the canonical design team, you could talk to ivanka (design in general) or chaotic (graphic design). london business hours either case. well, or email :)
[20:31] <coz_> thorwil,  cool thanks
[22:25] <coz_> does anyone have an email for either ivanka or  chaotic?