[01:17] <shaunm> mewshi: you could work on a topic for the new gnome desktop help
[01:18] <mewshi> Ok, and how would I go about this?
[01:19] <shaunm> http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/DesktopHelp
[01:19] <shaunm> very rough list posted by philbull
[01:20] <shaunm> Pick a topic. The idea is to look for something phrased in terms of what a user wants to do.
[01:21] <shaunm> (Are you at the tail end of your three hours of nothingness? Sorry, I was off doing other stuff.)
[01:24] <mewshi> Yeah, I am, but I'll leave it open for tomorrow, when I have a lot more time :)
[01:25] <shaunm> http://library.gnome.org/users/empathy/2.30/
[01:25] <mewshi> what's the link for?
[01:25] <shaunm> That's an example of how topic should be written.
[01:26] <shaunm> So don't worry too much about organization or anything at this point. You can just write some random topics that interest you.
[01:26] <shaunm> And don't worry about markup for now. We can deal with that afterwards
[01:27] <mewshi> ok :)  Thanks, I'll work on this tomorrow after helping mittens :)
[06:11] <KC3> Hi I don't know if I am in the right place or not?  I am having a tough time installing Ubuntu 9.10.  I don't think the live CD I have has the driver for my video card.
[06:13] <KC3> I changed the bios to boot from the CD but it won't display anything when I do that.  I have Ubuntu installed on an extra 30G harddrive I have
[06:13] <KC3> but I don't know how to install from a CD without going through the bios boot up.
[06:14] <KC3> Is there anyway to get the cd to run the install program like a .exe file in windows?  I am new to Linux so please be gentle.
[14:21] <brianherman> ping
[14:53] <mewshi> hi there :D
[20:01] <mewshi> hi everyone :D
[20:09] <starcraftman> lo mewshi
[22:40] <swoody> Can anyone lend me some wiki advice? I'm trying to get "border-radius" to work with other browsers besides Firefox
[22:45] <Rocket2DMn> swoody, i'm not sure if it does
[22:46] <swoody> Rocket2DMn: d'oh :/
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> swoody, I think if anybody knows, it would be cprofitt
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> he did the work on the BT wiki headers
[22:47] <swoody> I can't find where offhand, but I found something that said: -webkit-border-radius: but I can't find it offhand, and I don't think it was specific to Ubuntu's wiki
[22:47] <swoody> Rocket2DMn: gotcha :)
[22:50] <Rocket2DMn> Moin's website may have some info
[22:51] <swoody> Rocket2DMn: moinmo.in?
[22:53] <Rocket2DMn> sounds right
[22:58] <swoody> Rocket2DMn: good site for info. Thanks :)
[22:58] <swoody> still yet to find the radius info, but will keep looking through it
[22:58] <Rocket2DMn> np


[04:06] <lubot1> Sergio_Security was added by: Sergio_Security
[04:22] <lubot1> <Jacob Kim> Welcome!
[16:43] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready
 ❤
 i386 is getting some love right now :D
 :D
 Almost done with the first test. I do everything out of order. :)
 :D
[19:19] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been updated (20180228)
[19:19] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been updated (20180228)
 Oh shoot
 @Schyken All the testing we did is now invalid, time to test again...
[20:01] <fbaumanis> good evening!
 @fbaumanis, Hi!
 @tsimonq2, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-February/004301.html
 "content-wise for flavours besides
[20:06] <lubot1> ubuntu-server and, well, netboot there will be no functional changes
[20:06] <lubot1> in the images, so possibly a sanity install-check should be enough for
[20:06] <lubot1> those that already had their testing finished. I will be helping out
[20:06] <lubot1> with those as well, so I do not expect this to delay the final release
[20:06] <lubot1> date."
[20:09] <fbaumanis> there is no lubuntu-devel mailing list anymore right?
[20:09] <fbaumanis> it's lubuntu-qa right?
[20:09] <wxl> other way around
[20:10] <fbaumanis> yeah, found it, ignore my noise ;)
[20:10] <wxl> np
[20:54]  * fbaumanis leaves and starts testing tomorrow.
 @tsimonq2, What happened? 😯
 @Schyken, See the link @acheronuk gave
 Ahh
 Alright, I'll give it another go 😊 Life happens 😝


[06:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: Could be that, or "This feature doesn't appear to work, so nothing would be lost if disabled" :3


[02:40] <chuck> slackers
[03:16] <BenC> strange seeing everyone come on at the same time
[03:17] <fabbione> ehehe
[03:18] <zul> oops..maybe i should have logged off my machine at work before i went home
[03:30] <lamont> heh
[03:37] <BenC> mine stays connected, good ole screen sessions :)
[03:59] <fabbione> eheh
[04:09] <zul> what about git and luanchpad?
[04:10] <fabbione> no way
[04:11] <fabbione> why do you think i am such a bitch
[04:11] <fabbione> and lp guys just avoid me :P
[04:11] <BenC> lol
[04:17] <chmj> lol
[05:35] <fabbione> i just created the Ubuntu Kernel Team in launchpad
[05:41] <zul> cool
[05:41] <zul> i finally have git working properly
[05:51] <zul> my git archive can be pulled from http://zulinux.homelinux.net/git
[05:51] <zul> er..http://zulinux.homelinux.net/git/ubuntu-2.6.git
[06:08] <BenC> zul: can you send that to my email?
[06:12] <zul> sure..
[06:12] <zul> i guess i could do that
[06:17] <fabbione> ok .. kernel logo is up thanks to Keybuk
[06:17] <fabbione> if you don't like it, please propose a new one before complaining :)
[06:18] <zul> url?
[06:20] <chmj> I want a pony
[06:24] <Mithrandir> what would you need a pony in the basement for?
[06:25] <chmj> you make it sound wrong
[06:33] <fabbione> zul: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-kernel-team/
[06:34] <fabbione> zul: what's your plan to become MOTU -> uploader and all that thing?
[06:35] <zul> fabbione: i was already accpeted as a motu long time again i just never uploaded anything
[06:36] <fabbione> zul: ok
[06:36] <fabbione> that's kinda of a stopper for us to get the kernel team to be part of the core team
[06:36] <fabbione> or do we want the other way around. hmmm
[06:37] <zul> all i have is done is a patch here a patch there..
[06:38] <fabbione> right
[06:38] <fabbione> we don't want ubuntu-core- to upload kernel
[06:38] <fabbione> so they shouldn't be part of our team
[06:38] <fabbione> in theory our team doesn't need to upload *
[06:39] <fabbione> but it still targeted to main
[06:39] <zul> true
[06:39] <fabbione> it's kind of a weird situation
[06:39] <fabbione> we will need to bring this up as usecase for the TB meeting
[06:39] <zul> doh..
[06:40] <chmj> You are not a member of this team.
[06:42] <zul> i aint?
[06:42] <fabbione> zul: hm no.. the problem is that to be part of ubuntu-core to upload to main
[06:42] <fabbione> each team memebers need to have main upload privileges
[06:42] <fabbione> but our case is different
[06:43] <fabbione> you are part of the kernel team
[06:43] <fabbione> but you don't have full main upload privileges
[06:43] <fabbione> for the kernel team to be able to upload (as a team), it needs to be part of ubuntu-core
[06:43] <zul> well we only have one person really uploading to main, except for updates
[06:43] <fabbione> so it's kind of a weird loop
[06:43] <fabbione> zul: later on with lp managing the kernel
[06:43] <zul> heh..ill just go home then ;)
[06:43] <chmj> I mean't me, I'm not added as part of the kernel team
[06:43] <fabbione> all of us will be able to ask lp to make an upload
[06:46] <zul> chmj: im in montreal btw
[06:54] <chmj> zul: oh yes, I'm in the big room, where are you ?
[06:56] <zul> im sitting across from lamont near the front
[07:34] <dilinger> oh man
[07:34] <dilinger> this promise driver sucks so badly
[08:18] <fabbione> dilinger: no shit :)
[10:46] <fabbione> BenC: ping?


[02:12] <zus> hello
[02:14] <zus> is any one avaliabe for a few questions? my bug squad membership is about to expire, i've gotten busy with my music and trying to get some work (need to pay bills yeah.)  if i let it expire  will i be able to re-join when my schedule frees up more time?
[02:15] <maco> yep
[02:15] <maco> just email the list and say "hey i expired a bit ago, can i get back in?"
[02:23] <hggdh> and we will get it done
[02:25] <zus> sorry my wifi  here is unreliable,...did any one get my last question?
[02:26] <charlie-tca> yup
[02:26] <charlie-tca> oops, maybe you should repeat it so we can tell.
[02:26] <zus> hi charlie-tca  how ya doing?
[02:27] <charlie-tca> doing fine. Yourself?
[02:27] <zus> my membership is going to expire, but  can i re-join when i have more time in my schedule?
[02:27] <charlie-tca> If you need to, you can just request to be allowed back in. That is not a problem
[02:28] <charlie-tca> Just ask here, "I expired a bit ago, can I get back in now?"
[02:28] <zus> charlie-tca,  good, been jamming on music, as well as trying to get my own stuff recorded.
[02:28] <charlie-tca> Great! I wish a lot of luck with that.
[02:28] <zus> sweet thanks,
[02:30] <zus> thanks. its fun most times\
[02:31] <charlie-tca> That's good. It is worth it to do something you enjoy.
[02:33] <zus> it is,  and to see people dacing at gigs is  very satisfying
[08:01] <dholbach> HAPPY HUG DAY!
[08:02] <vish> dholbach: hmm , :(
[08:02]  * vish wishes dholbach says that every hug day ;p
[08:02]  * dholbach hugs you all
[08:49] <bullgard> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/352732 #38 refers to a line 372 in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils. This does not exist in Ubuntu 10.04.1. #108 states that the file is in /sbin. This is true. But I cannot find a line "mute_and_zero_levels "$TARGET_CARD" || EXITSTATUS=1'. How to proceed?
[08:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 352732 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sound muted after boot (affects: 75) (dups: 7) (heat: 380)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[09:55] <nigelb> Gnome bug 626593
[09:55] <ubot2> Gnome bug 626593 in User Guide "Gnome ate my boyfriend! Help!" [Critical,Resolved: invalid] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593
[09:56] <nisshh> nigelb: hehe, what a sense of humor :)
[09:58] <nisshh> nigelb: the GNOME devs should put a disclaimer, "WARNING: using this software could distance you from your boyfriend/girlfriend"
[09:58] <vish> nigelb: cheater!
[09:58] <nigelb> nisshh: heh, somone has sugested a workaround/patch for it too :D
[09:58] <nisshh> lol
[09:59] <bilalakhtar> Are such things allowed in Gnome Bugzilla?
[09:59] <vish> nigelb: i posted the bug yesterday itself ;p
[09:59] <nigelb> vish: gah
[09:59] <nigelb> bilalakhtar: a little bit of sense of humor is okay
[09:59] <nigelb> if you want to get murdered, try it on the kernel tracker :D
[09:59] <vish> nigelb: guess you noticed it from -motu today ;)
[10:00] <vish> bilalakhtar: gnome bug 50000
[10:00] <nigelb> vish: nope #k-d
[10:00] <ubot2> Gnome bug 50000 in Bugzilla "We're now in the 50000er number space" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50000
[10:00] <yofel> bug 100000
[10:00] <vish> bilalakhtar: they have fun there ;)  also , bug 10000
[10:00] <vish> yofel: snap!
[10:00] <ubot2> yofel: Bug 100000 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/100000 is private
[10:00] <ubot2> vish: Bug 10000 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/10000 is private
[10:00] <yofel> argh, LP down
[10:00] <vish> silly ubot2 !
[10:00] <nigelb> no, gnome bug right?
[10:00] <nisshh> hehe
[10:01] <yofel> hm...
[10:01] <nigelb> there was this mozilla bug about couch
[10:01] <vish> nigelb: nah , the lp one is also the same
[10:01] <bilalakhtar> yup
[10:01] <yofel> kde bug 100000
[10:01] <ubot2> KDE bug 100000 in general "KChart should be able to save and load from OASIS file format" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100000
[10:01] <yofel> meh ^^
[10:01] <vish> yofel: kde folks take life too seriously! ;)
[10:01] <bilalakhtar> so we buggers are having fun here?
[10:01] <yofel> seems so :D
[10:02] <bilalakhtar> bug 2
[10:02] <bilalakhtar> bug #2
[10:02] <vish> nigelb: the last comment on the mozilla bug was nice ;)
[10:02] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: Bug 2 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2 is private
[10:02] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: Bug 2 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2 is private
[10:02] <bilalakhtar> bug #2
[10:02] <yofel> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579522 ?
[10:02] <bilalakhtar> sorry
[10:02] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: Bug 2 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/2 is private
[10:02] <bilalakhtar> bug #1
[10:02] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 579522 in JavaScript Engine "Buy cots for the JS interns" [Normal,Verified: fixed]
[10:02] <ubot2> bilalakhtar: Bug 1 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 is private
[10:02] <bilalakhtar> HAHA! BUG 1 IS PRIVATE ^^
[10:02] <yofel> bilalakhtar: LP is down for maintenance
[10:02] <nigelb> whoa don't spam with bug numbers.  LP is down.
[10:02] <vish> bilalakhtar: sems to not work! lp is down
[10:03] <vish> yofel:  "one bug per issue" ;)
[10:03] <bilalakhtar> yup
[10:03] <bilalakhtar> lp is down for maintainance.. I have a few sync/merge requests awaiting report
[10:04] <vish> bilalakhtar: lp hates you ;p
[10:04] <nigelb> bilalakhtar: at most 2 hours
[10:04] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: It should be back at 3:00 IST vish
[10:04] <devildante> hi all :)
[10:05] <devildante> I hate maintenance now :p
[10:06] <yofel> well, should be up in 25min again
[10:07] <bilalakhtar> well
[10:07] <bilalakhtar> LP is down, and all of us over here are suffering :)
[10:07] <bilalakhtar> funny
[10:18] <yofel> at least the apt-get build-dep bug seems fixed
[10:19] <yofel> well, not yet
[10:19] <devildante> yofel: yeah, saw that
[10:30] <bilalakhtar> LP IS UP!
[10:33] <yofel> good :)
[10:33] <devildante> not totally up, still getting connection refused messages
[10:35] <jfi> Launchpad is undergoing maintenance and is in read-only mode.
[10:36] <jfi> (message displayed by the website)
[10:36] <devildante> *now* it's fully working :)
[10:38] <jfi> the beta theme is very (very) nice and clean but the the black on darkgray color in the date panel is not readable:)
[11:05] <walilo> hi, i'm transefered from #ubuntu, i've problem with yofrankie
[11:05] <walilo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/476859/
[11:05] <walilo> how could I report?
[11:13] <yofel> walilo: do you have a .crash file in /var/crash ?
[11:16] <trond-> Hi room. I have a computer that for the last two days has frozen up 5 times. output of dmesg: http://pastebin.org/475026
[11:21] <walilo> yofel, i'll see
[11:23] <walilo> yofel, yes there is many .crash file in /var/crash
[11:23] <yofel> walilo: choose the one with yofrankie in it's name and report it with 'ubuntu-bug -c /var/crash/<crashfile>'
[11:24] <yofel> or just double click on it in nautilus
[11:33] <walilo> yofel, no one named yofrankie
[11:48] <trond-> Hi room. I have a computer that for the last two days has frozen up 5 times. I can connect to it through ssh. Output of dmesg: http://pastebin.org/475026
[12:31] <njin> Hy all, ir right mark as invalid because Ubuntu don't ship by default libaudit ( but what we use instead ?) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/390700
[12:31] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 390700 in ubuntu "it's impossible to audit login events (affects: 1) (heat: 15)" [Undecided,New]
[12:55] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session: Patch Review and Operation Cleansweep in #ubuntu-classroom in 5 minutes
[13:23] <dholbach> pedro_: hola! shall we all hang out here? or in #ubuntu-reviews?
[13:24] <pedro_> dholbach, #ubuntu-reviewers makes more sense we can just redirect people to there ;-)
[13:24] <dholbach> alrightie
[13:24] <pedro_> reviews i mean ;-)
[13:24] <dholbach> pedro_: you're not there!
[13:24] <pedro_> dholbach, yes i'm there!
[13:24] <pedro_> !
[13:24] <dholbach> ok ok :-)
[13:24] <devildante> shall I go to #ubuntu-reviewers?
[13:25] <pedro_> devildante, that'd be great ;-)
[13:25] <pedro_> devildante, #ubuntu-reviews
[13:25] <devildante> done :)
[13:32] <njin> pedro_: hello
[13:32] <pedro_> hello njin!
[13:33] <njin> pedro_: can i have an help '
[13:33] <njin> ?
[13:33] <pedro_> njin, sure :-P
[15:39] <ashams> hey simar,
[15:48] <ashams> simar: are you there?
[15:57] <simar> ashams: Hi there :)
[15:57] <simar> ashams: I was around ...
[15:57] <simar> somewhere
[15:57] <ashams> hey simar,
[15:57] <ashams> it's ok :)
[15:57] <ashams> so
[15:57] <simar> ashams: np
[15:58] <ashams> you are my mentor?
[15:58] <simar> ashams: are you familiar with irc completely ..
[15:58] <ashams> yes I think!
[15:58] <simar> ashams: what you had been doing for ubuntu till now ..
[15:58] <simar> ashams: any bugs experisnce
[15:59] <ashams> not successful ones
[15:59] <simar> ashams: k, its enough that you tried atleast.. go go!!
[15:59] <ashams> I tried to fix some bug then I found some troubles wit uploading
[16:00] <ashams> I think that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide needs to be updated
[16:08] <simar__mohaar> ashams: we will be dealing with triaging bugs rather than fixing..
[16:08] <simar__mohaar> ashams: i internet is weak . plz excuse
[16:08] <ashams> it's ok
[16:09] <ashams> :)
[16:09] <simar__mohaar> ashams: have you read my email
[16:09] <ashams> yes I did
[16:10] <simar__mohaar> ashams: k, so have you gone through the wiki pages for bug squad..
[16:10] <ashams> yes, but not all of them
[16:11] <simar__mohaar> ashams:  i want you to read them all, and be very clear with them.
[16:12] <ashams> Yes sure
[16:12] <simar__mohaar> ashams: In case any doubt you can ask on irc or just drop an email anytime
[16:12] <ashams> k
[16:13] <simar__mohaar> ashams: to triage bugs, first you should focus one package only, that way you can focus on the process more and learn better triaging.
[16:14] <simar__mohaar> ashams: do you have any specific interest ..
[16:14] <simar__mohaar> ashams: or any specific package you like to triage.
[16:15] <ashams> simar: yes I love Nautilus packages.
[16:15] <simar__mohaar> ashams: great, then go ahead..
[16:16] <ashams> simar: where to start?
[16:17] <simar__mohaar> ashams: nautilus is indeed a large package.
[16:17] <simar__mohaar> ashams: still no problem ..
[16:17] <simar__mohaar> ashams: just a sec
[16:17] <ashams> simar: if you prefer another one it will be ok ;)
[16:18] <simar__mohaar> ashams: you can have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/nautilus for nautilus related bugs..
[16:19] <simar__mohaar> ashams: but wait
[16:19] <ashams> simar: I'm already there. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=nautilus&orderby=status&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[16:19] <simar__mohaar> ashams: gr8
[16:20] <simar__mohaar> ashams: I have little experiance with desktop related stuff, I would prefer if you could start with touchpad related stuff..
[16:20] <simar__mohaar> ashams: Its drivers related ,
[16:20] <ashams> ok
[16:21] <simar__mohaar> ashams: Seems to be tough at begining but i have written some documentation which you can follow and i will be able to guide you better here. :)
[16:21] <ashams> simar: GR8
[16:22] <ashams> simar: where is that docs
[16:22] <ashams> ?
[16:23] <simar__mohaar> but wait a bit, first you should get yourself familiar with bug squad procedures, so that you can fit in better..
[16:23] <simar__mohaar> ashams: I hope you should read the documents at least once first..
[16:24] <devildante> guys, bug 600989 is for a package that doesn't have an upstream bug tracker. should I seek Ubuntu sponsorship? (posted this on #ubuntu-reviews but didn't get response)
[16:24] <ashams> simar__mohaar: frankly I'm still working on the How To traige doc, sorry :(
[16:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600989 in multimon (Ubuntu) "Wrong sox syntax in gen.c (output) (affects: 1) (heat: 90)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600989
[16:24] <simar__mohaar> ashams: np :)
[16:25] <ashams> simar__mohaar: I promise to finish it today.
[16:25] <simar__mohaar> ashams: k, good
[16:26] <simar__mohaar> ashams: but be sure to get very comfortable with it :)
[16:26] <simar__mohaar> ashams: have you done some commenting in bug reports before, or some triaging..  anything
[16:27] <ashams> simar__mohaar: im totally new to that, i was affraid to do it wrong!
[16:27] <simar__mohaar> ashams: i see you are quite a bit active in translations.
[16:27] <simar__mohaar> ashams: go going, you will learn fast i think :)
[16:28] <ashams> simar__mohaar: I hope to!
[16:28] <simar__mohaar> devildante: have you written that patch?
[16:29] <devildante> simar: no, but seems reasonable and simple
[16:29] <simar__mohaar> ashams: hope is enough :))
[16:30] <ashams> simar__mohaar: when will we meet again?
[16:30] <simar__mohaar> devildante: i see Ubuntu Review Team is already subscribed. can Ubuntu sponsers team can be subscribed still?
[16:31] <yofel> devildante: that should go to debian, and considering that oday is feature freeze make a debdiff for maverick
[16:31] <yofel> s/oday/today/
[16:31] <devildante> simar: yes, but if you do a merge request, you shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[16:31] <devildante> yofel: thanks :)
[16:31] <simar__mohaar> ashams: Mail me anytime, or find me here around the same time to 2 hours more ..
[16:31] <yofel> well, or do a merge request for the maverick package, I haven't done that myself yet though
[16:32] <ashams> simar__mohaar: ok, Thanks for your patiance. :) :) :)
[16:32] <yofel> and -reviews would be better to ask at ;)
[16:32] <simar__mohaar> ashams: np
[16:32] <yofel> oh, nobody there -.-
[16:33] <devildante> yofel: yeah, that's why I've gone here ;)
[16:33] <simar__mohaar> devildante: k i'm new to packaging myself
[16:33] <devildante> simar: we're in the same boat :)
[16:33] <yofel> simar__mohaar: today is patch review hug day ;) [the discussion is spread here and in #ubuntu-reviews]
[16:34] <MichealH> As anyone avalible to triage some bugs
[16:34] <MichealH> *Is
[16:34] <simar__mohaar> yofel: I will join #ubuntu-reviews as well
[16:35] <charlie-tca> MichealH: numbers as bug number
[16:35] <simar__mohaar> devildante: :)
[16:35] <MichealH> Yes charlie-tca
[16:35] <MichealH> I will PM you them
[16:35] <charlie-tca> MichealH: and the importance you want it set to?
[16:35] <MichealH> Yes I will PM it
[16:35] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:39] <simar__mohaar> vish: hi
[16:42] <simar__mohaar> vish: there?
[16:52] <vish> simar: hey
[16:55] <simar> vish: I have contacted my student and explained given him some intro about the process ..
[16:56] <simar> vish: Like all he's also thinks that traiging is fixing ..
[16:56] <vish> simar: neat!
[16:56] <vish> simar: well , if someone wants to fix , no need to stop them :D
[17:00] <simar__mohaar> vish: ya sure, only if fixing could have been so easy :))
[17:01] <simar> vish: I feel like I can get him to touchpad as well. It will be easy for me and he has welcomed it..
[17:03] <vish> simar: so we can expect better touchpad support in the near future? ;)
[17:04] <devildante> vish: we could get multitouch support :p
[17:04] <simar> vish: ya, you could hope so .. ;-)
[17:22] <drizzle> hi all
[17:31] <vish> devildante: did you make it? addons is in?
[17:31] <devildante> vish: not yet
[17:31] <vish> hmm..
[17:32] <devildante> vish: mvo said he'll think about a possible solution to a little problem
[17:32] <devildante> vish: if you want to see how it has progressed, just pull my branch ;)
[17:33] <vish> devildante: ah , will do.. but not right now :)
[17:35] <devildante> vish: np :)
[17:37] <elopio> hello squad
[17:38] <elopio> when I try to load my mozilla cookie with hugtools, I get:
[17:38] <elopio> TypeError: Error while trying to read cookie in sql format, cannot handle format of '.mozilla/firefox/iwjaon95.default/cookies.sqlite'
[17:38] <devildante> vish, can I modify https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/ReviewGuide? I want to add an example
[17:38] <elopio> do you know what's the problem?
[17:39] <vish> devildante: example for which?
[17:39] <vish> which tag..
[17:39] <devildante> vish: Ubuntu-specific change
[17:40] <devildante> vish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldapscripts/+bug/582797
[17:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 582797 in ldapscripts (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/ldapscripts/runtime.debian in Ubuntu should use /etc/ldap.conf (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Low,Fix released]
[17:40] <vish> devildante: go ahead.. but if nigelb starts crying , you dont know me ;p
[17:40] <devildante> vish: okay :)
[17:41] <devildante> vish: and thanks :)
[17:41] <vish> np..
[17:55] <abhijit> hello
[17:55] <devildante> abhijit: hi :)
[17:55] <abhijit> devildante, :)
[18:08] <abhijit> vish, ping
[18:08] <abhijit> devildante, you there?
[18:08] <devildante> abhijit: yep :)
[18:08] <vish> abhijit: pong! hmm ... i had something for you
[18:08] <abhijit> vish, what?
[18:08] <devildante> a bomb :p
[18:09] <abhijit> :-o
[18:09]  * abhijit wishing for some good gift!
[18:09] <abhijit> i forget to write the word 'expensive'!!!
[18:09] <abhijit> :P
[18:10] <abhijit> vish, tell naa?
[18:10] <vish> abhijit: http://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Bugsquad_Render?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Render_21.jpg
[18:10] <vish> abhijit: and http://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Bugsquad_Render?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Render_13.jpg
[18:10] <vish> ;)
[18:11] <abhijit> vish, O M G ! ! !
[18:11] <vish> abhijit: thats a better wallpaper, than what you have ;p
[18:12] <abhijit> vish, oh yah!!!!
[18:12] <abhijit> vish, i will add it too !!!
[18:13] <abhijit> vish, devildante i need to ask one doubt. now i have one whishlist for ubuntu. but when i go to brainstrom page it tell me to submit solution too? but i dont have solution. its just an wishlist idea. so whould i submit it as bug and mark as wishlist?
[18:14] <devildante> abhijit: I would think so
[18:14] <vish> abhijit: whats your suggestion?
[18:14] <devildante> since brainstorm requires a solution
[18:14] <abhijit> devildante, ammmm means y/n?
[18:14] <devildante> like vish said, what's your bug/suggestion?
[18:14] <abhijit> devildante, vish this is my idea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/477038/
[18:16] <devildante> abhijit: the "my idea" line is the solution
[18:16] <vish> abhijit: i stopped here : Now what happens is i am reading one article on one web site.
[18:16] <vish> Now they told me to exuce one command which requires sudo.
[18:16] <vish>   >>>>> kick the website author! ;p
[18:16] <devildante> abhijit: but I think it's unfeasible without changing lots of things
[18:16] <devildante> vish: :p
[18:16] <abhijit> devildante, means? should i write the word 'my idea'? in brainstorm solution section?
[18:16] <abhijit> vish, lol :D :D :D
[18:17] <abhijit> devildante, thats another part. I want to submit my Idea.
[18:17] <vish> dont advocate use of sudo , instead use gksudo or pkexec
[18:18] <abhijit> vish, thats not the concern. concern is copyying from here to clt alt f1 sessin.
[18:18] <devildante> abhijit: the line that describes the solution should be the solution
[18:18] <vish> abhijit: that needs to go to brainstorm , not a bug ;)
[18:19] <abhijit> vish, but brain storm ask me for solution? I dont have it?
[18:19] <vish> abhijit: ln13 is your solution
[18:19] <abhijit> vish, you mean should i copy that line to solution secti of brain storm?
[18:19] <vish> yup
[18:20] <vish> abhijit: but i doubt  that the solution would get an approval ;)
[18:20] <vish> rather that idea getting approved
[18:20] <abhijit> vish, ohhhh. I just want my idea to get approved.
[18:20] <vish> abhijit: why do you have such a weird setup? why are you not an admin?
[18:21] <devildante> a better solution would be to gksudo as admin from normal account
[18:21] <abhijit> vish, just..... to be extra secure.
[18:21] <abhijit> :D
[18:21] <abhijit> devildante, ok
[18:21] <devildante> abhijit: just saying, I'm not an expert :p
[18:21] <vish> abhijit: yeah , right!  your system holds the worlds secrets ;)
[18:21] <abhijit> devildante, yah
[18:22] <abhijit> vish, :D
[18:23] <elopio> hello, I need a hand here.
[18:23] <abhijit> \o
[18:23] <elopio> I forwarded the patch of bug 610616 to debian
[18:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610616 in avalon-framework (Ubuntu) "avalon-framework copyright invalid format (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610616
[18:24] <elopio> now I don't really understand how to add the watch to the debian ts
[18:24] <elopio> I click also affects project, and what project should I select?
[18:24] <devildante> elopio: click on "also affects distribution"
[18:24] <elopio> ummm
[18:25] <elopio> great :) thanks devildante.
[18:25] <devildante> elopio: np :)
[18:25] <devildante> vish: should he also attach a debdiff?
[18:25] <abhijit> visha devildante here it is http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25591/
[18:26] <devildante> we have someone called visha? :p
[18:27] <abhijit> ohhh
[18:27] <abhijit> vish, devildante just refresh page i have commented on it
[18:27] <elopio> one bug reviewed, 1399 to go \o/
[18:28] <devildante> elopio: :)
[18:28] <Pici> abhijit: Brainstorm has their own channel at #ubuntu-brainstorm, this conversation might be more appropriate for there.
[18:28] <vish> devildante: if you want to get it uploaded by a sponsor the bug needs a debdiff
[18:28] <devildante> vish: okay, thanks :)
[18:29] <abhijit> Pici, i am already there. and talking to andrew. i just wanted to know vish and devildante what happen to my issue. and yes i stop that discussion here now. thanks :)
[18:30] <MichealH> Is there a Triager in here?
[18:30] <elopio> MichealH: it is full of triagers in here :)
[18:30] <vish> MichealH: wanna shoot them? ;)
[18:30] <MichealH> Yes
[18:30] <MichealH> I will PM vish
[18:30] <abhijit> vish, you in funny mood today ??? Lol :D :D :D
[18:31] <elopio> MichealH: I'm just learning, you should shoot somebody more experienced.
[18:31] <MichealH> Yah Okay
[18:31] <devildante> MichealH: post your problem here, we won't bite you :p
[18:32] <MichealH> Okay
[18:32] <vish>  Bug 616581
[18:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem-config fails to run (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616581
[18:32] <MichealH> I confirmed it
[18:32] <MichealH> Awaiting Traige
[18:33] <devildante> seems okay
[18:33] <vish> MichealH: do you face the same issue as mentioned on the bug report?
[18:33] <devildante> vish, take care of it :p
[18:33] <MichealH> No
[18:33] <MichealH> I just want to help Triage :D
[18:34] <devildante> vish: I think we can mark as confirmed if "There are enough debug informations"
[18:34] <vish> MichealH: right , marking a bug confirmed means that the person who makes the bug confirmed is able to reproduce the problem
[18:35] <MichealH> I agree with devildante though vish
[18:35] <MichealH> It has enough info
[18:35] <MichealH> And It affects annother person
[18:35] <devildante> vish: as in the HowToTriage howto: "Are there sufficient log files and crash dumps, as outlined in DebuggingProcedures?"
[18:35] <vish> MichealH: who is the other person?
[18:35] <MichealH> I dont know
[18:35] <MichealH> It says at the top
[18:35] <devildante> vish: and "If the bug adheres to ANY of the following criteria it can be considered confirmed"
[18:36] <MichealH> and then Triaged
[18:36] <vish> devildante: just because the bug has logs does not make the bug reproducible or really an issue
[18:37] <devildante> vish: so we should fix the wiki :p
[18:37] <vish> MichealH: the bug mentions as affects one person , which means the reporter
[18:38] <MichealH> Ahhh, Ooops
[18:39] <MichealH> It has enough logs at the Wiki Outlined
[18:39] <MichealH> *as
[18:39] <MichealH> I am only following the Guide
[18:40] <MichealH> vish, ^^
[18:40] <vish> where are you quoting this from ? <devildante> vish: as in the HowToTriage howto: "Are there sufficient log files and crash dumps, as outlined in DebuggingProcedures?"
[18:40] <devildante> vish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Confirming
[18:40] <njin> pedro_: around ?
[18:41] <vish> MichealH: devildante: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[18:41] <devildante> vish: thanks for the info :)
[18:41] <devildante> vish: but I think we should fix the page I told you about
[18:41] <vish> devildante: yup
[18:42] <devildante> vish: maybe talk with other guys?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Wait!
[18:42] <vish> charlie-tca: i'm not fixing it :)
[18:42] <charlie-tca> vish: many packages do not require a second reporter to confirm now. Example: audio bugs. If your hardware is not an exact match, please file a new report.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Linux is the same way
[18:43] <vish> charlie-tca: thats audio , kernel bugs
[18:43] <MichealH> So It will be triaged?
[18:43] <njin> hello there's problems uninstalling and reinstalling gnome-control-center ?
[18:43] <MichealH> njin, File a report
[18:44] <vish> charlie-tca: kernel bugs are confirmed when they are reproducible only with upstream kernel
[18:44]  * devildante predicts a war between vish and charlie-tca :p
[18:45] <charlie-tca> true
[18:45] <vish> devildante: nah ,charlie-tca is great :)
[18:45] <njin> i'm asking if you think that will be problem uninstalling and reinstalling gnome-control-center, is safe to do it ?
[18:45] <charlie-tca> devildante: no war! vish knows too much for that
[18:45] <devildante> vish: :)
[18:45]  * devildante hugs charlie-tca and vish
[18:45] <timc> njin: For general support, please join #ubuntu
[18:46] <charlie-tca> vish: true point. better to say bugs "can only be confirmed when all items required for that package are included" ??
[18:46] <vish> charlie-tca: yeah..
[18:46] <MichealH> So is it going to be triaged?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> I am sorry. I did not mean to jump on you
[18:46] <MichealH> Or not?
[18:47] <vish> charlie-tca: np.. :)
[18:48] <vish> MichealH: as a rule of thumb first check the bug has steps to reproduce , then try to reproduce it
[18:48] <MichealH> Is it going to be triaged?
[18:48] <MichealH> Okay
[18:49] <vish> MichealH: nope , i'm not setting it as triaged , maybe other here might..
[18:49] <timc> so we do need confirmation from another person/reproduce it ourselves, before changing status to confirmed?
[18:50] <vish> timc: atleast from one person other than the reporter
[18:51] <charlie-tca> correct, as a general rule, it must be reproducable
[18:51] <timc> thanks for clearing it up :)
[18:52] <MichealH> I will see if it replicates
[18:54] <vish> timc: nice to see a fedora person triaging Ubuntu Bugs :)
[18:56] <timc> New to bugs, fedora project is infrastructure related
[18:56] <timc> btw.. anyone have any idea how long it takes to get assigned a mentor?  I've only just applied, but curious on the turnaround time.
[18:56] <MichealH> For trying oem-config should I use OEM install at the boot menu?
[18:57] <vish> timc: it depends, if a mentor is available during your timeslot you get assigned immediately .. if no one is free , we need to wait for a mentor's slot to open up
[18:58] <timc> makes sense... cheers
[18:59] <charlie-tca> but, we will help you anyway. we all try to answer any questions asked here.
[19:00] <MichealH> The bug does replicate
[19:00] <MichealH> Bug 616581
[19:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem-config fails to run (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616581
[19:01] <MichealH> vish, charlie-tca, devildante ^^
[19:07] <MichealH> micahg, Can you triage Bug 616581?
[19:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem-config fails to run (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616581
[19:08] <micahg> MichealH: I'm not familiar with ubuquity, so I defer to someone else in the channel
[19:08] <MichealH> Okay
[19:08] <micahg> maybe hggdh or charlie-tca that do ISO testing
[19:09] <vish> MichealH: me neither, but you need not worry about that bug , since the reporter is part of the mobile team and is a BugControl member himself..
[19:10] <micahg> vish: just because one is a member of bug control doesn't mean one necessarily knows if a bug is good enough to be triaged
[19:10] <vish> micahg: true :)
[19:11] <MichealH> charlie-tca is looking into it
[19:11] <trond-> Hi room. I have a computer that for the last two days has frozen up 5 times. I can connect to it through ssh, so I can get a few outputs. Output of dmesg: http://pastebin.org/475026
[19:12] <micahg> trond-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Taken care of bug 616581
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem-config fails to run (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616581
[19:13] <trond-> micahg, well, since I have killed X and nothing happens, that might not be X? or?
[19:16] <micahg> trond-: idk, maybe take a look at the kernel debugging pages then
[19:22] <MichealH> Woah! Im inpressed by Bug 616947
[19:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616947 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 freezes on heavy Wifi network load using (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616947
[19:23] <MichealH> *impresesed
[19:23] <MichealH> I think I should get it ready for Triaging
[19:23] <abhijit> can someone please set the importance of thsi bug for Lucid? its only set for Maverick?
[19:23] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pgadmin3/+bug/610975
[19:23] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 610975 in pgadmin3 (Debian) (and 4 other projects) "Can not start pgadmin3 (affects: 24) (dups: 2) (heat: 124)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[19:23] <trond-> micahg, I'll do that to. I'll anyway file a bug report with the ubuntu-bug xorg command. Thanks for that tip.
[19:23] <micahg> MichealH: did you read the kernel bug triaging wiki page?
[19:24] <MichealH> micahg, Link please
[19:24] <micahg> MichealH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/Process
[19:24] <abhijit> micahg, can you set it?
[19:25] <micahg> abhijit: yeah
[19:26] <abhijit> micahg, ok. please set lucid importance to high also
[19:27]  * micahg wonders why ttx didn't set it
[19:28] <abhijit> who is he?
[19:28] <abhijit> micahg, also i have one question
[19:28] <MichealH> micahg, Soit should be tagged kernel-net
[19:29] <MichealH> *Should
[19:29] <abhijit> micahg, as you can see i had reported duplicate of this bug. but actually in my bug only pgadmin thing was duplicate but codelite is not. so should i again open new bug for codelite?
[19:29] <micahg> MichealH: idk about kernel triage, that's a scary area for me, which is ironic since most people are scared of the Mozilla stack which I do :-/
[19:30] <nigelb> micahg: kernel is always scary.
[19:30] <micahg> abhijit: 1 issue per bug, so I'd say file another bug
[19:30] <abhijit> micahg, okk
[19:31] <nigelb> Isn' Debian in freeze now?
[19:31] <maco> yes
[19:31] <nigelb> (so, something being in unstable for long isn't abnormal right?)
[19:32] <maco> right. little is moving from unstable to testing til after release
[19:32] <nigelb> thank you :)
[19:32] <maco> micahg: im scared of the mozilla stack because i once had to peek under firefox's hood in a class. *shudder*
[19:32] <abhijit> micahg, can you tell me what is 'freez'?
[19:32] <micahg> nigelb: look at packages.qa.debian.org/packagename and it'll tell you why it didn't migrate
[19:33] <micahg> abhijit: ?
[19:33] <nigelb> !freeze
[19:33] <ubot2> Factoid 'freeze' not found
[19:33] <abhijit> micahg, i dont know what is freez
[19:33] <nigelb> gah
[19:33] <micahg> !ffe
[19:33] <ubot2> Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process.
[19:34] <nigelb> we should have something for that.
[19:34] <micahg> !ff
[19:34] <ubot2> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins - See also !firefox-3.5
[19:34] <abhijit> no
[19:35] <abhijit> i dont know anything about freez.
[19:35] <abhijit> micahg, so i just submitted new bug for codelite https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/codelite/+bug/616960 so depending on the pgadmin experience can you set it conformed triaged etc?
[19:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 616960 in codelite (Ubuntu) "Codelite relocation error (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:35] <micahg> abhijit: are you talking about feature freeze?
[19:36] <abhijit> micahg, no. talking about the operating system freez. in user days also i encouter that word but i dotn know whta it is
[19:36] <micahg> abhijit: ah, when the system locks up and is unresponsive
[19:36] <abhijit> micahg, ok
[19:36] <abhijit> micahg, so back to bug issue. what to do?
[19:37] <micahg> so, ok, do you know if a rebuild will fix it?
[19:38] <abhijit> micahg, i think so. actualy i got solution for that pgadmin issue. but i did not got any solution for codelite with same problem.
[19:38] <BUGabundo> evening
[19:38] <micahg> abhijit: k, can you remind me in about 10 hrs and I'll throw a rebuild up in my PPA for you to test?
[19:39] <abhijit> micahg, I can remind. but not in 10 hours. i can come tomorow night.
[19:39] <micahg> abhijit: I'll do it now, give me a minute
[19:39] <abhijit> micahg, ok
[19:47] <micahg> abhijit: should be ready in an hour ppa:micahg/sru-test
[19:47] <abhijit> micahg, ok you just upload it. i wll try it and will tell you if that solves the problem or not.
[19:47] <abhijit> micahg, thanks for your time.
[19:48] <micahg> abhijit: any reason why you made it private?
[19:49] <abhijit> micahg, its automatically generate file. so may contain any private data?
[19:49] <micahg> abhijit: no file, just dependency list
[19:49] <abhijit> micahg, oh. dependancy dont have private data?
[19:50] <micahg> abhijit: no, just a list of versions of packages that the app depends on
[19:50] <abhijit> micahg, ok then i set it to public.
[19:50] <abhijit> micahg, done.
[21:07] <drizzle> hi all
[21:09] <KE1HA> hello
[21:22] <drizzle> can someone mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/617002 as wishlist please
[21:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 617002 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Sound adjustment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:25] <njin> pedro_:sorry, tempest here, disconnected.
[21:25] <pedro_> njin, no worries ;-)
[21:27] <njin> pedro_: here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/390769 xserver-xorg-input-keyboard apport-collect, stock responses without pack assigned
[21:27] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 390769 in ubuntu "move window Shift-Ctrl-Alt-XXX keybord shortcut not working (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:29] <JFo> drizzle, done
[21:32] <drizzle> thanks
[21:32] <devildante> vish: got time?
[22:03] <devildante> Can someone confirm and triage bug 617044?
[22:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617044 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdmsetup unlock screen doesn't show what is done (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617044
[22:12] <javpra> Is Bug Day still going on?
[22:13] <FireCrotch> Hello, everyone.  I figured this would be the best place to ask this....
[22:14] <FireCrotch> I have a bug to file concerning setting up dual monitors in Kubuntu. Basically the "right of" or "left of" setting doesnt work properly in system settings.  What package should this bug be filed on? Is it an X problem? (Note this is for Maverick)
[22:43] <devildante> hmm, lots of people just joined now :p
[22:45] <chilicuil> good afternoon, I'm sorry if this is not the place to ask, but #ubuntu-motu doesn't seem very active right now, I'm trying to upload a new debdiff to the bug #462193 , however my diff ( http://pastebin.com/dHLELxfE ) looks differente to one uploaded by the last person ( http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52823113/lp462193.debdiff ) , since it's a dump change I'd not like to upload the wrong diff, I've make it with $ bzr diff --old ../previous_c
[22:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 462193 in djvulibre (Debian) (and 3 other projects) "djvulibre-bin produces garbage in the root (/man1/*) (affects: 18) (dups: 2) (heat: 100)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462193
[22:46] <micahg> chilicuil: definitely OT here
[22:46] <micahg> chilicuil: come to -motu and I"ll take a look
[22:46] <chilicuil> micahg: ok, micahg =)
[22:49] <devildante> Can someone confirm and triage bug 617044?
[22:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617044 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdmsetup unlock screen doesn't show what is done (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617044


[10:18] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Upgraded desktop to 11.10 (Oneiric). I can no longer create the PDF file, even though install-pkgs.sh finds no problems.
[19:55] <c7p> hello all
[20:49] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: What error message are you getting?
[20:50] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Running "make" again to get errors... one minute
[20:51] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: You might try a 'make clean' first.
[20:51] <godbyk> Soemtimes an old .aux file can cause problems when you've updated packages.
[20:51] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Hmmm... I'll try again.
[20:52] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/715478/
[20:52] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: No pdf file is created.
[20:53] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: There aren't any errors there. Can you paste your .log file contents (or email me the file)?
[20:54] <CrustyBarnacle> http://paste.ubuntu.com/715482/
[20:56] <godbyk> Error 256 (driver return code) generating output;
[20:56] <godbyk> file main.pdf may not be valid.
[20:56] <godbyk> That's a new one. :)
[20:56] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: Let's update the TeX stuff. Run 'sudo tlmgr update --all'.
[20:56] <godbyk> I'll also log into my oneiric box and try it there real quick, too.
[20:58] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: 6/6 files updated... trying again
[21:00] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Same output and error in log.
[21:00] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: Okay, let me Google around a bit.
[21:01] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Much appreciated. I can still work on my netbook... but not as easily :-p
[21:02] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: Have you added any new screenshots that haven't been committed to the bzr repository?
[21:18] <CrustyBarnacle> I don't think so...
[21:19] <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: bzr conflicts returns nothing
[21:20] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: Okay. Try out the commands I sent you. Maybe they'll tell us more.
[23:19] <c7p> hey godbyk
[23:23] <tomswartz07> hey all
[23:35] <c7p> hey tom, how are you ?
[23:36] <tomswartz07> c7p: not too shabby. yourself?
[23:38] <c7p> i'm great :D
[23:48] <tomswartz07> i believe i have the majority of the updates ready for my section.
[23:48] <tomswartz07> the instant messaging.
[23:48] <tomswartz07> empathy wasnt changed too much- some icons and the way you launch it, but thats about it.
[23:49] <c7p> very nice :D
[23:50] <c7p> i got a mail "when i try bzr launchpad-login lyfzwrthlvng <my launchpad username> it says:
[23:50] <c7p> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: curl connection error (Received HTTP code 407 from proxy after CONNECT)"
[23:50] <c7p> any idea how can this problem be solved ?
[23:51] <tomswartz07> whats the lyfzwrthlvng?
[23:52] <tomswartz07> did you just use bzr launchpad-login <username>?
[23:56] <c7p> i don't know
[23:56] <c7p> i got this message :D
[23:56] <c7p> i mean the question, the problem isn't mine
[23:56] <tomswartz07> oh! hahaha
[23:57] <tomswartz07> yeah, you need to register an rsa key with launchpad first, then do the login (without lyfzwr...)
[23:58] <tomswartz07> im pretty sure we have it documented on the site. under editors, iirc.
[23:58] <c7p> y we have it


[00:53] <thafreak> Geez, first facebook, now the google recruiters are emailing me again...don't they realize I make a lousy employee?
[02:38] <dmcglone1> Hi all
[02:41] <Cheri703> o/
[02:43] <Unit193> Howdy
[02:44] <dmcglone1> Hows it going?
[02:57] <dmcglone1> well I'm off to bed.


[14:41] <thafreak> Quick poll, anyone have a favorite inkjet printer that works well with linux, and prints photos well
[14:42] <thafreak> Preferably one where the ink cartridges won't ruin the printer if you don't print for months at a time
[14:42] <thafreak> p.s.  I wish owncloud would integrate with the existing users on a system. :/
[14:54] <thafreak> might
[14:54] <thafreak> probably just need a plugin that does pam auth
[14:54] <thafreak> ldap auth is a plugin i think
[14:55] <thafreak> write it up canthus13 :)
[14:55] <thafreak> you trying out the new 4.0 release?
[14:56] <thafreak> So, whenever i get an email from the latest cheap vps provider I'm trying out, I'm always like "crap are they going out of business now too"
[14:57] <thafreak> but this new one I'm on, they're actually adding new services and features...finally picked a good one I think
[14:58] <canthus13> yep.
[15:05] <canthus13> cheap is usually an indication of 'we have no business sense and will be going otu of business soon'
[17:04] <canthus13> ugh. the pam auth plugin for OC is broken for 4.0.1 :/
[18:38] <dzho> oh, owncloud
[19:48] <thafreak> but there is one! that's hope atleast
[19:48] <thafreak> submit a bug
[19:48] <thafreak> so are you running 4.0.1?
[19:48] <thafreak> how are you liking it?
[19:48] <thafreak> i've only tested 3.x from the precise repos
[19:49] <thafreak> been putting off setting up a fresh one from source
[19:49] <canthus13> thafreak: I'm u sing 4.01.. but I can't get pam working. :/  But the author of the plugin said he's updating it right now.
[19:50] <dzho> canthus13: do you do much other PAM stuff
[19:50] <thafreak> you running it on apache or as fastcgi?
[19:50]  * dzho almost always gets teh hives from messing with PAM
[19:50] <canthus13> dzho: Nope.
[19:50] <canthus13> apache.
[19:51] <dzho> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/puppet-users/wRAfS3_BtsQ/iwUO2mfDx18J
[19:51] <dzho> fun PAM quote there at the end
[19:57] <thafreak> anyoone try epiphany browser on precise? passes the acid3 test 100%
[19:59] <canthus13> Nice. Is it still ugly?
[20:01] <thafreak> no, not really
[20:01] <thafreak> just a plain browser, works well and fast
[20:01] <TheMaster> Tried xxxterm in precise?
[20:01] <canthus13> Good. I may check it out.
[20:02] <thafreak> xxxterm?
[20:02] <TheMaster> Yeah, it's nice because it's fast.
[20:02] <TheMaster> Webkit, but little guy.
[20:03] <dzho> oh, going back a minute to owncloud, there's also this kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joeyh/git-annex-assistant-like-dropbox-but-with-your-own
[20:04] <thafreak> i was looking at git-annex recently


[03:02] <alexrudd> Is this the right place to ask about bugs in hardy-proposed?
[03:03] <RAOF> alexrudd: The best place to mention bugs in hardy-proposed would be on the launchpad bug regarding the proposed package.
[03:05] <alexrudd> ROAF: I'm a little confused by the reorganization of linux/linux-image/linux-image-xxx (meta)packages right now.
[03:06] <alexrudd> ROAF: update-initramfs is failing for "boot/initrd.img-2.6-rc7-custom", because there are no modules for it.  That sounds like a packaging bug, so where do I file it?
[03:06] <RAOF> There is no 2.6-rc7-custom package in hardy-proposed :)
[03:08] <alexrudd> RAOF: I just upgraded today, and it killed all apt-based apps because it wants me to run dpkg --configure -a
[03:08] <RAOF> So, there may well be some bug somewhere, but by building and using a custom kernel we assume you can handle the fallout.
[03:09] <alexrudd> RAOF: And upon doing so, update-initramfs tries to generate something for 2.6.25-rc7-custom
[03:09] <alexrudd> RAOF: Err, the thing is I *didn't* build a custom kernel
[03:09] <RAOF> That's somewhat odd, then :)
[03:10] <alexrudd> Is that a file I can just ignore and delete?
[03:11] <alexrudd> *there
[03:11] <alexrudd> *delete and ignore
[03:11] <RAOF> Probably; but I don't know where that comes from.
[03:12] <RAOF> I don't suppose you've got that kernel in your grub menu.lst?
[03:12] <alexrudd> nope, checked that
[03:16] <RAOF> You could try 'sudo update-initramfs -d -k 2.6.25-rc7-custom'
[03:16] <alexrudd> doesn't exist
[03:17] <RAOF> That's the kernel dpkg --configure -a is dying on?
[03:18] <alexrudd> yep
[03:18]  * RAOF has seen someone else with this, too.  I suspect someone's uploaded something with a fragment of their own config.
[03:19] <RAOF> What package is it that is failing to configure?  You could check the preinst script to see what's happening.
[03:19] <alexrudd> err, I'm not sure any more.  It's a deferred trigger or something
[03:19] <alexrudd> guess there are logs somewhere?  not sure where
[03:19] <RAOF>  /var/log/dpkg.log, most likely.
[03:21] <alexrudd> looks like initramfs-tools itself?
[03:22] <alexrudd> hmm, no that must be when I ran dpkg
[03:23] <alexrudd> any idea on how to find what set the trigger?  "trigproc" appears to be when it's processed
[03:24] <RAOF> I believe it says "$SOMETHING deferred"
[03:25] <alexrudd> nothing found :(
[03:27] <alexrudd> hmm, right after "status installed ntfs3g" it says "status triggers-pending initramfs-tools"
[03:29] <RAOF> That's going to be too late.
[03:30] <alexrudd> Aha.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/152756
[03:32] <alexrudd> Removing the file made my dpkg happy again.  Anything I should do for the bug report?
[03:33] <RAOF> You've never ever installed a 2.6.25-rc7-custom kernel?
[03:34] <alexrudd> Err, not successfully.  I may have tried a long time ago, and I've upgraded kernels several times since then
[03:35] <RAOF> And it's only now come up?  Odd.
[03:36] <alexrudd> Uh, huh
[03:36] <alexrudd> Anyway, I guess I'll just mark it off as the dangers of trying to roll your own
[03:37] <alexrudd> confirm the bug report I guess
[03:37] <alexrudd> Thanks for all you help.
[03:37] <alexrudd> *your
[03:38] <jonpackard> Could anyone with an NVidia card please help me confirm this bug? It affects Alpha1 and Alpha2 using the nv driver. Bug 245383.
[03:40] <RAOF> I can anti-confirm your bug on nouveau and nv4x :)
[03:41] <jonpackard> RAOF: what's nv4x?
[03:42] <Awsoonn> oh powerful irc, will someone set 'triaged' to Bug 238263
[03:43] <jonpackard> RAOF: You helped me install nouveau a while back.. it didn't seem to fix the issue. Could be user error on my part on that one though. =)
[03:44] <RAOF> Maybe.
[03:44] <jonpackard> RAOF: heh just remembered.. nv4x is a nvidia chipset
[03:44] <RAOF> Right.  Geforce 7.
[03:45] <jonpackard> RAOF: thought it was a new version of nv driver for a sec there =X
[03:45] <RAOF> It's possible that it's nv5x specific.
[03:45] <jonpackard> btw I was able to install nvidia driver in alpha2 and it works just dandy.. all the drivers work fine in hardy
[03:46] <jonpackard> can't wait till nouveau rocks my 8600GT.. gotta have my 3D desktop =p
[03:47] <RAOF> Awsoonn: I'm not sure that's quite ready yet?  Could you _attach_ an xorg.conf, Xorg.0.log, and the various other outputs requested?
[03:48] <Awsoonn> I can attach them for him, sure
[03:50] <RAOF> jonpackard: It'll take some time before you'll get a 3D desktop with nouveau!
[03:53] <jonpackard> RAOF: i know.. perhaps I should try to get involved with the project =)
[03:54] <RAOF> If you've got some spare time, gallium is an excellent timesync :)
[03:54] <RAOF> Also, you should now have the very barest of bare-minimum 3d support on your 8600 with nouveau gallium.
[03:57] <jonpackard> RAOF: cool.. sounds awesome! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_3D
[04:29] <jonpackard> Bug 245383 updated. Thanks for the help. =)
[04:36] <kgoetz> hi bugs people. (I'm here with my gNewSense-upstream relations hat on). Does ubuntu want bug reports on potential non-free files in the kernel/packages in the {main,universe}archive? if yes, how would you like them filed - one bug per problematic file, or one bug per package?
[04:46] <LaserJock> kgoetz: it might depend on what kind of non-free it is
[04:48] <LaserJock> but I'd think if there were files inconsistent with the component policies then we'd definately want to know about it
[04:48] <LaserJock> and probably one bug/package
[04:49] <kgoetz> LaserJock: in the case of ubuntu-linux-modules (a special case, i know) its mainly firmware related. in the case of a random package, it would probably be licence
[04:51] <LaserJock> kgoetz: those may be better discussed on ubuntu-devel/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[04:51] <kgoetz> the real bug with l-u-m of course is that its in main not restricted, but i suspect thats a discussion for another time.
[04:51] <kgoetz> LaserJock: hm
[04:51] <LaserJock> since free vs non-free is quite difficult to define, it's not a clear-cut bug often times
[04:52] <LaserJock> since our packages come mostly from Main we generally rely on Debian to filter first
[04:52] <kgoetz> sure. and by which definition of free ;)
[04:52] <LaserJock> and they usually do a pretty good job
[04:53] <LaserJock> but packages we've done ourselves there could be some error
[04:53] <LaserJock> though the archive admins usually do a very thorough job of checking freeness
[04:53] <LaserJock> copyright/freeness are the #1 reason packages are rejected
[04:54] <kgoetz> another question (which will probably be a 'ask on the list' answer) - if i/we disagree with a bugs closure (or why it was closed), where do we take that up?
[04:54] <LaserJock> I would first take it up in the bug report itself
[04:55] <LaserJock> if there's no resolution I'd ask ubuntu-devel/-discuss
[04:55] <LaserJock> or perhaps ubuntu-bugsquad if it's a triaging or general bug handling type question
[04:55] <LaserJock> sometimes people just make mistakes or fully don't understand the bug
[04:56] <kgoetz> its a disagreement over whether gpl firmware without source is free enough to be free (a nice hot topic ...)
[04:56] <LaserJock> ooff
[04:56] <LaserJock> kgoetz: bug # ?
[04:57] <kgoetz> LaserJock: er, give me a few min.
[04:58] <LaserJock> kgoetz: I think it's important to remember that when it comes to freeness/component issues the Archive Admins are authoritative
[04:59] <kgoetz> much the same as debians ftpmasters.
[05:00] <LaserJock> and in fact at one point they were basically the same thing ;-)
[05:00] <LaserJock> for a long time elmo was both Debian ftpmaster and Ubuntu archive admin
[05:01] <kgoetz> would have made it easy ;) "do i trust myself? why not"
[05:02] <kgoetz> LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201680
[05:10] <LaserJock> kgoetz: I'd say if you want to pursue it to email ubuntu-devel or at least ubuntu-archive
[05:11] <LaserJock> I don't know if it'll change anything, but a kernel dev is not authoritative when it comes to package freeness
[05:13] <pwnguin> I've got a question about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-ubuntu-title/+bug/247016
[05:15] <pwnguin> If a package is maintained in a team, is it really a good idea to mark a bug invalid?
[05:15] <kgoetz> LaserJock: is ubuntu-archive a list?
[05:15] <LaserJock> kgoetz: yes
[05:15] <LaserJock> pwnguin: I think really the point is that it's not a packging issue, but should be rather discussed with the authors of ubuntu-title
[05:15] <LaserJock> pwnguin: though it's sort of odd triaging ;-)
[05:16] <pwnguin> we are the authors
[05:16] <kgoetz> LaserJock: thanks. i might send them an email later on (i'm at work atm... strictly speaking). (afk a while, thanks for your help)
[05:16] <pwnguin> the ubuntu-title project on LP has no bug thingy
[05:16] <LaserJock> pwnguin: who is "we"?
[05:16] <pwnguin> Ubuntu?
[05:17] <LaserJock> pwnguin: umm, *I* didn't create it I know that ;-)
[05:18] <pwnguin> the ubuntu title font is maintained by the font team, a subteam of the art team
[05:18] <LaserJock> ok, then they need to know about it
[05:18] <pwnguin> it seems like subscribing them would be the better course of action, generally
[05:20] <pwnguin> i guess i was wrong about the tracker
[05:22] <pwnguin> but I do get a nice message saying that i should file the against the package
[05:22] <pwnguin> ubuntutitle does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker.
[05:22] <pwnguin> Are you sure this bug is in upstream ubuntutitle?
[05:22] <pwnguin>     * If you are using a package installed by your Linux distribution, the bug should be reported in that distribution, instead. Launchpad knows that ubuntutitle is present in the following distribution packages:
[05:22] <pwnguin>           o Ubuntu ttf-ubuntu-title
[05:22] <pwnguin>       You can report bugs by visiting the package's page.
[05:25] <pwnguin> so yea. there is no bug tracker, and LP tells me to use the packaging bug page
[05:26] <pwnguin> im writing a mail to ubunu-art right now about it, but I must say it amazes me how many reasons triagers find to mark a bug invalid
[05:32] <kgoetz> pwnguin: its easier then marking it confirmed ;)
[05:33] <pwnguin> is it
[05:33] <pwnguin> ?
[05:34] <kgoetz> i'd say so (but it could just be me...)
[05:34] <pwnguin> well, im glad the common answer to a hard problem is more laziness ;)
[05:34] <kgoetz> hehehe
[05:44] <LaserJock> pwnguin: well, of course people want to lower the bug count :-)
[05:45] <LaserJock> pwnguin: I think that stock response is for feature requests
[05:46] <LaserJock> and I'd say that bug is sort of borderline, and unless the art team is subscribed to that package, the right people aren't going to get it
[05:52] <pwnguin> indeed
[05:53] <pwnguin> ive been reading the art team mailing list archives and its not encouraging
[05:58] <Awsoonn> hey guys, what do you think about a hug day for bugs set for experation?
[05:58] <Awsoonn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+expirable-bugs
[06:03] <LaserJock> Awsoonn: seems like a good idea
[06:07]  * Awsoonn nods and makes it so.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> emma: i'd guess that's a kernel-type thing, and you may find asking in #ubuntu-kernel helpful.
[10:03] <bdmurray> pedro_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/database/unlinked-bugwatch.html
[10:03] <pedro_> looking
[10:03] <bdmurray> that's the report I was talking about regarding the "unlinked" bug watches
[12:11] <thekorn> hello bugsquad!
[12:17] <bdmurray> thekorn: hi!
[12:28] <thekorn> bdmurray: hi, you are around early today!
[12:28] <bdmurray> thekorn: I'm in London so it isn't that early. ;)
[12:29] <thekorn> bdmurray: aha, okay, enjoy london and good old europe
[15:01] <savvas> haha "Don't subscribe me again to any bug or I'll have your head cut off by a bunch of crazy colombian guerrilleros."
[15:01] <savvas> the best answer I got for a wrong action :)
[15:03] <savvas> note to self - don't touch the motu :p
[15:03] <pedro_> ahahaha
[15:07] <bddebian> Boo
[16:10] <CarlFK> scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty   http://dpaste.com/64773/
[16:10] <CarlFK> is that something I should post to lp?
[16:37] <Hew> bug #209084 - someone has attached a debdiff that should fix the bug. As a triager, what should I do? Subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[16:39] <afflux> Hew: I think that's correect
[16:40] <Hew> afflux: thanks for your help
[17:52] <Evergete> ciao a tutti da qualche giorno ho il seguente problema: avviando skype, la mia connessione wireless smette di funzionare, ovvero dice di essere sempre collegata all'access point, ma non passa più traffico. richiudendo skype tutto torna a funzionare regolarmente. utilizzo skype <IP_ADDRESS> dai repo medibuntu
[17:54] <Evergete> qua sembra che altri abbiano un problema simile; http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=130951 a qualcuno è già capitato?
[17:54] <pedro_> Evergete: maybe try asking in #ubuntu-it
[17:55] <Evergete> ops, sorry pedro_ worte on wrong channel
[17:55] <pedro_> is ok
[18:10] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/157536  bug I reported, never triaged but is now fixed.  should I change the status to 'fix released' ?
[18:10] <Rocket2DMn> seb128, RE: bug #248163 - keep on wishlist?
[18:11] <Awsoonn> CarlFK if it is fixed, then yes :)
[18:11] <seb128> Rocket2DMn: yes, until network manager 0.7 is available, we might want to install network-admin meanwhile or something
[18:12] <Rocket2DMn> ok thanks seb128 , Tim was right when he said the package was gnome-network-admin, tho you just run network-admin from terminal to manually launch
[18:12] <Rocket2DMn> thanks
[18:14] <CarlFK> Awsoonn: thanks.
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> could anyone tell me what we do with upgrade bugs from hardy -> intrepid?
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> tkae this one for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/248497
[22:45] <tat_> i try to report a bug for flock on ubuntu, but on "https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug" i get the error 'There is no package name 'flock' published in Ubuntu', but i`M sure that there is a package called flock, any suggestions ?
[22:49] <greg-g> tat_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=flock
[22:49] <greg-g> tat_: I'm assuming that isn't the package you are looking for
[22:50] <greg-g> tat_: what package did you install and was it from the official ubuntu repositories or a 3rd party
[22:50] <tat_> it is the flock browser :
[22:50] <tat_> how can i find out what repository i got it from ?
[22:51] <greg-g> apt-cache policy <packagename>
[22:52] <greg-g> replace <packagename> what what pacakge you are looking for
[22:53] <tat_> flock:
[22:53] <tat_>   Installiert:1.1-1~getdeb1
[22:53] <tat_>   Mögliche Pakete:1.1-1~getdeb1
[22:53] <tat_>   Versions-Tabelle:
[22:53] <tat_>  *** 1.1-1~getdeb1 0
[22:53] <tat_>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:53] <greg-g> and to find which package flock came from, you can:
[22:53] <tat_> that is all i get, just the version string
[22:53] <greg-g> that is a getdeb.com package, in otherwords, not supported by Ubuntu as it is a 3rd party
[22:53] <greg-g> you probably installed it by downloading a .deb
[22:53] <greg-g> so, find out where you downloaded it from, and file a bug there
[22:53] <tat_> no i used apt
[22:54] <greg-g> use paste.ubuntu.com and show me your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[22:56] <tat_> there is just mediabuntu and canonical in there the rest is all ubuntu repositories
[23:00] <tat_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/27358/
[23:01] <LaserJock> tat_: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[23:03] <LaserJock> tat_: you've apparently installed flock from getdeb.net
[23:07] <tat_> LA
[23:08] <tat_> LaserJock : i think so too, but i cant remember having downloaded it, it is also in my synaptic
[23:09] <LaserJock> tat_: it will show up in synaptic because it was installed as a .deb
[23:10] <tat_> LaserJock : the weared thing is also that the newest versuion on getdeb.net is 1.2.2 but in my synaptic it is 1.1.1 also after updating package information
[23:10] <tat_> LaserJock : ahh , ok
[23:11] <LaserJock> tat_: well, that's because you don't actually have getdeb repos in sources.list
[23:11] <tat_> LaserJock , so i post the bugreport to getdeb.net ?
[23:11] <LaserJock> tat_: you probably just clicked on a link on getdeb.net and it installed it
[23:11] <LaserJock> tat_: yeah, there's not really anything we can do about it because Ubuntu proper doesn't have flock
[23:14] <tat_> i ges i write the bugreport to  Joao Pinto, the package maintainer, since the bug is realy just related to the way he packaed flock it is nothing flock people would have to deal with .
[23:15] <LaserJock> tat_: yeah, that makes sense


[00:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1052076] Widgets stop responding when enabling gestures on (evdev) multitouch device @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1052076 (by Cédric Dufour)
[00:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am not sure what you mean by components
[00:01] <yofel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[00:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ah, that one
[00:03] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: in that case, when i requested you to sponsor , why did you ask me where to put?
[00:04] <yofel> did I? I think I just told you that I can't sponsor that
[00:04] <yofel> and that you should file a sponsorship request instead
[00:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am going to file a sponsor request , can you guide me?
[00:06] <yofel> there's 2 ways as described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - usually I would go the classic way
[00:07] <yofel> though it seems like things changed a bit since I last filed one o.O
[00:07] <yofel> ah no, I'm thinking about merges, nevermind
[00:08] <yofel> great, thanks to the packaging guide rewrite there's dead links all over the place -.-
[00:09] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[00:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: procedure seems, little bit tedious, i will  do it later
[00:14] <yofel> really? It's filing a bug, adding some information, uploading a few files and subscribing ubuntu-sponsors
[00:14] <yofel> hm
[00:15] <yofel> reading the page again it doesn't even mention UDD o.O?
[00:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you forgot the debdiff
[00:15] <yofel> that's running the debdiff command on the old and new dsc file
[00:16] <apachelogger> yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth2.mkv :P
[00:16] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/671864/
[00:17] <apachelogger> this would be 900% less fugly if I knew how one could prototype/class in that silly language
[00:17] <yofel> wow
[00:17] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, now that, I like.  Seems less "jerky" than the webm you posted earlier - are you just doing that one in white, or are you putting color into it too?
[00:18] <yofel> BarkingFish: it was planned to be white
[00:18] <BarkingFish> ah, ok
[00:18] <BarkingFish> still very nice though - the smooth glow, to me, makes that quite appealing.
[00:19] <yofel> apachelogger: so if I understand this right. You have 2 images and set the opacity of the fuzzy one depending on the passed time?
[00:19] <apachelogger> aye
[00:19] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: it will for all the 3 segments or just for one?
[00:19] <apachelogger> did I post the positioning code yet
[00:19] <apachelogger> because that is really just mad
[00:19] <yofel> that'll be fun to do for the full sequence...
[00:20] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/671870/
[00:20] <yofel> I think you posted an excerpt earlier
[00:20] <genii-around> apachelogger: Are each of the three segments supposed to glow in turn or just the one?
[00:20] <apachelogger> yofel: well, for full sequence itwill mostly be boilerplate init code as I don't know how to write a function to encapsulate the member init
[00:20] <apachelogger> i.e. the actual sequencing can be nicely abstracted via alist
[00:20] <yofel> hm, ok
[00:21] <yofel> ah ok
[00:21] <apachelogger> so you have [3] of glowup and [3] of glowdown, then iter
[00:21] <apachelogger> and process all animations that have running == 1
[00:21] <apachelogger> (well, technically you can have [] of each)...
[00:22] <yofel> anyway, this is starting to look nice :D
[00:23]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[00:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: good night
[00:24] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: where is the code?
[00:26] <apachelogger> on my disk
[00:33] <phoenix_firebrd> going to bed, good night everyone
[00:36] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3.mkv
[00:39] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: this is awesome
[00:40] <genii-around> That's pretty damn hypnotic!
[00:44] <genii-around> apachelogger: I hope it goes in soon, I like it.
[02:47] <apachelogger> well then
[02:48] <apachelogger> with intel I get a smoothy smooth transition from plymouth to lightdm
[02:48] <apachelogger> excatly how planned ... background stays the same, logo goes away, lightdm ui fades in
[02:48] <apachelogger> however I could not replicate that behavior with vbox nor nvidia
[02:49] <apachelogger> though with latter I have a resolution/signal change that gets in the way
[04:21] <ScottK> I'd call that a win.
[08:10] <jussi> good morning ladies and gentlemen
[08:11] <Tm_T> jussi: what about us creatures?
[08:12]  * Tm_T hides
[08:12] <jussi> good morning ladies and gentlemen (and other assorted creatures)
[08:12] <jussi> Tm_T: happy?
[08:19] <Tm_T> jussi ♥
[09:18] <afiestas> I added xorg-edgers ppa long ago, then decided to remove it, now when I try to install libgles-dev I get the following error
[09:19] <afiestas> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:19] <afiestas>  libgles2-mesa-dev : Depends: libgles2-mesa (= 9.0-0ubuntu1) but 9.1~git20130104.r1.b8b1d61e-0ubuntu0ricotz~quantal is to be installed
[09:19] <afiestas>                      Depends: libegl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed
[09:19] <afiestas> anyway I can fix this?
[09:26] <Riddell> afiestas: probably the only way is to remove X and reinstall
[09:26] <Riddell> downgrades are not supported and with a cutting edge PPA like that you'll be downgrading
[09:27] <afiestas> that's what I'm doing then
[09:27] <Riddell> afiestas: as an alternative you could try an install of alpha 2 :)
[09:28] <afiestas> already have it in my laptop
[09:28] <afiestas> work station is for work :/
[09:29] <Riddell> afiestas: so you trust xorg-edgers but not kubuntu devs? :)
[09:29] <afiestas> I don't trust either of you, but I was forced to use xorg-edgers
[09:30] <afiestas> because of the wonderful 6month freeze :p
[09:30] <Riddell> aah
[09:30] <afiestas> additionally I have had many issues with Kubuntu alphas in the past... and this is my workstation ._.
[09:40] <Riddell> afiestas: did daily packages for your user tool get sorted?
[09:46] <agateau> Riddell: morning! Installing yesterday raring in a vm, it stops while downloading packages (which I didn't want it to download btw). Any way I can debug that?
[09:48] <afiestas> Riddell: I guess
[10:07] <Riddell> agateau: umm, hmm.  logs are in /var/log/syslog
[10:07] <Riddell> I think starting ubiquity --debug or similar will give you more logs
[10:07] <agateau> Riddell: I am doing the initial install
[10:08] <agateau> Riddell: guess I should go for "try kubuntu" and run ubiquity by hand
[10:08]  * agateau pulls the vm plug
[10:35] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1126052] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1126052 (by tuxmouraille)
[10:43] <agateau> Riddell: now it's stuck at "Saving installed packages" and debug output does not look useful :/
[10:44] <Riddell> agateau: more in /var/log/installer/
[10:45] <Riddell> but this is pretty surprising, we did loads of tests on it yesterday and nobody had any problems
[10:49] <agateau> Riddell: got stuck here: http://paste.kde.org/672170/
[10:49] <Riddell> umm, no immediate ideas
[10:50] <agateau> Riddell: I downloaded the iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ was this the right place to go?
[10:50] <Riddell> xnox: any thoughts? ⇈
[10:50] <Riddell> agateau: that'll be a daily build and I guess something could have broken in the last day
[10:50] <Riddell> the tested ones are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/alpha-2/
[10:51] <agateau> hu
[10:51] <agateau> was afraid of something like that
[10:51]  * agateau downloads alpha-2 iso
[10:51] <xnox> agateau: and you didn't modify the installer. so it's just the official image?!
[10:52] <agateau> xnox: yes
[10:52] <xnox> =(
[10:55] <sheytan> is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1052278 also affecting turned off backlight after wake up?
[10:55] <sheytan> i'm running dell xps 15z
[10:59] <Riddell> sheytan: I guess we don't know, you can comment on the bug to see if someone who knows about linux can confirm
[11:05] <shadeslayer> evening :)
[11:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, aloha
[11:11] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:16] <sheytan> shadeslayer: evening? What your time?
[11:16] <sheytan> :D
[11:16] <shadeslayer> UTC +5.30
[11:18] <Riddell> our CD music ripping experience is rubbish
[11:18] <Riddell> k3b hard to use and then it asks you to kill kio_audiocd
[11:23] <davmor2> Riddell: can you not do it from within Amarok?
[11:24] <Riddell> maybe I've not tried that
[11:25] <Riddell> but the user gets presented with k3b first
[11:25] <Riddell> twice infact
[11:25] <Riddell> I wonder what the difference between "extract digial music" and "copy CD" is
[11:25] <Riddell> ripping against burning another CD I guess
[11:25] <davmor2> Riddell: Can you not change the default for music cds to be Amarok then?
[11:26] <Riddell> I just tried Amarok, it doesn't seem to do anything when I chose it in new device popup
[11:26] <Riddell> yep, precisely nothing
[11:27] <davmor2> Riddell: that's pretty bad, the bulk of the other players do a really nice job of ripping music into your library
[11:28] <davmor2> Riddell: is there maybe a plugin for amarok that is missing that will make it awesome?
[11:29] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3.mkv
[11:31] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you share the files?
[11:31] <sheytan> i would like to test this
[11:33] <apachelogger> nope
[11:33] <apachelogger> not home right now
[11:33] <sheytan_> maile me please
[11:34] <sheytan_> but it looks good
[11:35] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, it's installed and enabled but when I click on info it freezes amarok, doh
[11:35] <davmor2> Riddell: so it would be awesome if it worked then :)
[11:37] <Riddell> ooh there is works
[11:37] <Riddell> now why did it take two minutes just to load up the about dialogue
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you wanna remove xrandr from seeds?
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Or did I get the package wrong?:P
[11:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it's part of the kde-workspace packages I thin
[11:41] <Riddell> so it needs separated into a new package (which will be unseeded)
[11:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, a new metapackage?
[11:42] <Riddell> no, a new actual package
[11:42] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/672212/  all this
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah I got it
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Can't do this now anyway
[11:43]  * smartboyhw is upgrading to 13.04
[11:44] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm guessing here, it's not quite right?
[11:59] <Mirv> Riddell: hi. would your magic crystal ball have an idea on the powerpc build failure? mine doesn't yet at least. filed a bug in LP and upstream meanwhile.
[11:59] <Mirv> (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131243410/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.qtbase-opensource-src_5.0.1%2Bdfsg-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[12:00] <Mirv> bug #1125949
[12:01] <Mirv> or anyone else for that matter..
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi alj
[12:11] <Mirv> the file in question in the first error is http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/stable/src/gui/painting/qpagedpaintdevice.h .
[12:11] <Mirv> hi BluesKaj
[12:13] <BluesKaj> hi Mirv
[12:15] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:27] <agateau> apachelogger: love this bootsplash! at least we get rid of those stupid dots
[12:29] <BluesKaj> agateau, really. and the ugly grey colours as well ?
[12:29] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[12:30] <agateau> BluesKaj: have you seen apachelogger work?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> agateau, no I haven't
[12:30] <agateau> BluesKaj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3.mkv
[12:32] <BluesKaj> I'd like to know who approved the existing boot splash ...were they colour blind with no sense of beauty ?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> hmm
[12:34]  * BluesKaj shakes his head ...nevermind
[12:35] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: well
[12:35] <Quintasan> Plymouth looks like utter shit here
[12:35] <Quintasan> but I blame the nvidia driver
[12:36] <Quintasan> since it looked decently with nouveau
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yeah, but the colour is what i don't understand
[12:38] <murthy> Riddell: what was the device that you were trying to use with amarok?
[12:39] <BluesKaj>  blue was a basic kde colour .,..why not blue
[12:40] <murthy> apachelogger: ^
[12:42] <BluesKaj> it's not  a real big deal since it only lasts for some seconds
[12:43] <sheytan> BluesKaj: ppl are tired of blue.
[12:44] <sheytan> the screencast you see is just a demo of the logo glowing. With the full background it looks way better. Let me show you
[12:45] <murthy> sheytan: webm please
[12:45] <sheytan> murthy: got just an image
[12:45] <sheytan> http://imageshack.us/a/img546/3311/bg2test.png
[12:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: did all the demos ;)
[12:46] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:46] <shadeslayer> that does indeedly look awesome
[12:46] <murthy> BluesKaj: what happened to the outer circle glow?
[12:46] <sheytan> murthy: it's not added
[12:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: used logo without it
[12:48] <yofel_> BluesKaj: it was turned grey to match the default KDE 4.9 experience
[12:48] <yofel_> which... nobody really liked I guess
[12:48] <yofel_> good that they're back to a blue-ish background
[12:51] <Riddell> murthy: an audio CD
[12:53] <murthy> Riddell:  ok. i thought it was a mtp device, my nokia 5800  takes a long time to get detected
[12:54] <yofel> I know that we had some bug filed about audiocd-kio not working right, but that was months ago
[12:54] <Riddell> Mirv: hum, that's not some endian or linker issue I'd normally expect on powerpc but just a syntax error which is weird since it's perfectly good syntax
[12:54] <Riddell> Mirv: good news is we don't have to care about powerpc and I can just put in an override to ignore the issue
[12:56] <Riddell> agateau: how's the install?
[12:57] <agateau> Riddell: left my daily live run during lunch, it actually finished with some weird error. But the system boots, so I can work on Ubiquity with it
[12:57] <yofel> ah, that was bug 1073293
[12:57] <Riddell> yofel: you have a good memory for bugs!
[12:58] <yofel> well, thunderbird help to find the # :P
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you on webkit today?
[12:58] <Mirv> Riddell: ok then
[12:58] <yofel> *helps
[13:02] <BluesKaj> However , i do like the default "Air and Elarun Splash Screen" on 13.04 , even tho plymouth is still plain vanilla
[13:04] <BluesKaj> oh btw sheytan,  do you speak for " people "? :)
[13:05] <sheytan> BluesKaj: yes. There's too much of blue everywhere
[13:05] <BluesKaj> too bad for you :)
[13:06] <yofel> actually no, there's too much grey everywhere
[13:06] <yofel> though it reached a tolerable level again
[13:07] <sheytan> to clarify, i;m not tired of blue that much, but i'm tired of color stuff everywhere. We need to go elegant and thank Nuno we have monochromatic icons in tray and plasma overlays etc
[13:07] <sheytan> to much colored stuff is not good too. It doesn't look professional then
[13:07] <murthy> yofel: you have a supporter
[13:08] <yofel> sheytan: I guess you have good eyes then. Mine aren't that good even with glasses, and making everything grey reduces usability
[13:08] <yofel> as it makes me slower in keeping the icons apart
[13:09] <BluesKaj> elegant is grey and mono colours ?... feels like a bait  for a debate
[13:09] <sheytan> yofel: i didn't tell you that everything should be gray. Only some parts of the desktop
[13:09] <sheytan> BluesKaj: don't get me wrong
[13:09] <sheytan> not all should be
[13:09] <yofel> sure, we were talking about the plasma icons, right?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not today I'm afraid
[13:10] <sheytan> we were talking about desktop in general
[13:10] <sheytan> plasma tray icons was my example
[13:10] <yofel> sheytan: the desktop in general as it is right now is ok I believe
[13:10] <sheytan> yofel: that's it!
[13:10] <yofel> :)
[13:11] <sheytan> and the same, i was tired of having kde default wallpaper everywhere in kubuntu. Installer, login, splash, wallpaper, even that central box in each kde app has it as background
[13:11] <sheytan> that was making me sick somehow :D
[13:12] <BluesKaj> system tray icons aren't merant to be fancy , they're just utilitarian indicators anyway
[13:12] <yofel> uhm, that's called consistency you know ^^
[13:12] <sheytan> that's why i'm trying to make kubuntu that way: a separate background for installer, login and splash and onther image for wallpaper. This will give us more elegant and simple look
[13:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: send me some other tile or whatever and I can make some more demos
[13:13] <shadeslayer> idk, having different backgrounds everywhere is inconsistent IMHO
[13:13] <sheytan> apachelogger: i will send you the logo with that circle around when i get home
[13:13] <sheytan> shadeslayer: not everywhere
[13:13] <sheytan> read what i wrote :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I was just complainiung about the bootsplash /plymouth colours , not a debate about desktop or panel colours
[13:13] <sheytan> there's only two of them
[13:13] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ah, I read that as separate background for all the things
[13:13] <shadeslayer> mmmm .. idk
[13:13] <murthy> Riddell: what happened to cantata?
[13:14] <sheytan> BluesKaj: well, we want to make a smooth switch from plymouth to lightdm. That's why we're trying to create new to fit with ldm.
[13:15] <sheytan> but it's hard cause we don't know what ldm will look like in upstream
[13:15] <sheytan> nuno is planning to release a new theme for kde 4.11 and for this time, i guess, we need our own ldm theme too
[13:16] <murthy> sheytan: you mean the greeter ?
[13:16] <sheytan> murthy: yes
[13:16] <sheytan> the login screen
[13:16] <Riddell> murthy: it's still in New, I might get to it today
[13:16] <Riddell> or I might not, going over e-mails, 1451 to go
[13:17] <murthy> sheytan: but the default one is good and we need to kde the default kde stuff as much as possible
[13:17] <murthy> Riddell: can you give me the cantata changelog?
[13:18] <murthy> Riddell: I am going to file a bug report for a sponsor, i need it for reference
[13:18] <Riddell> murthy: you can get the package from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue
[13:18] <sheytan> murthy: it is, with some correction i already made.
[13:19] <yofel> murthy: sponsor for cantata? that's already uploaded (or am I missing something)
[13:19] <murthy> yofel: ni, libdlna
[13:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: note that I need all 3 gear parts as separate images
[13:19] <yofel> ah
[13:20] <apachelogger> same for the glow
[13:20] <murthy> Riddell: the bug number is not mentioned in the changelog
[13:21] <sheytan> apachelogger: sure
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: care to sponsor libechonest once it's done building?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> it's in here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[13:21] <apachelogger> still not home
[13:21] <apachelogger> sheytan: oh and I'll need to know the part's coordinates
[13:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: what do you mean?
[13:22] <Riddell> murthy: the new package bug?  that'll be a bug :)
[13:23] <apachelogger> i.e. in inkscape left part would be x=0; y=12 or something, top would be x=50; y=128, bottom would be x=50; y=12
[13:23] <murthy> Riddell: so it will get rejected?
[13:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: simply make an inscape doc the size of the parts without glow
[13:23] <apachelogger> then tell me x and y of the parts
[13:24] <murthy> apachelogger: is the locations hardcoded?
[13:24] <apachelogger> of course
[13:24] <sheytan> apachelogger: ok, i'll do it
[13:24] <apachelogger> well
[13:24] <apachelogger> the relativity is hardcoded
[13:25] <apachelogger> i.e. the space between left and top and bottom
[13:25] <murthy> apachelogger: the bg image is not svg?
[13:25] <apachelogger> and to get that we need to hardcode their relative x/y
[13:25] <apachelogger> murthy: plymouth does nto do svg
[13:25] <murthy> apachelogger: oh
[13:26] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you mail me the images you have when you get home?
[13:27] <murthy> apachelogger: is there any chance this will work with the nvidia's propitiatory driver?
[13:30] <Riddell> murthy: no that's not grounds for rejection
[13:30] <murthy> Riddell: so its optional?
[13:37] <apachelogger> murthy: it will work with free software
[13:37] <yofel> murthy: it's useful to have a reference, but it's not strictly required
[13:37] <Riddell> murthy: it's nice to have but not a killer feature
[13:39] <murthy> ok
[13:39] <murthy> yofel: is your server on full load?
[13:39] <murthy> yofel: i am getting delayed sync
[13:39] <murthy> yofel: 3 min approx
[13:39] <yofel> o.O
[13:40] <yofel> it's not
[13:40] <yofel> murthy: you mean you have ~180s lag? It's ~1s here
[13:40] <murthy> yofel: not that one
[13:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu-logo.tar.xz
[13:40] <apachelogger> tile goes into images/tile.png
[13:40] <murthy> yofel:  i will check with my local client
[13:41] <yofel> murthy: what do you mean with delayed sync then?
[13:41] <murthy> yofel: i have a bust of comments after 7 mins
[13:42] <yofel> oh, that happened here too, considering that they don't all happen in the same second I believe we just typed at the same time
[13:43] <murthy> yofel: ok
[13:43] <yofel> would need to look at the channel log later to verify that
[13:43] <sheytan> apachelogger: thanks. i will be home in like 3-4h
[13:46] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3-transit.mp4
[13:50] <yofel> apachelogger: what's up with those dots that appear for a moment?
[13:50] <apachelogger> again
[13:50] <apachelogger> ...
[13:50] <apachelogger> perspective
[13:51] <sheytan> just wanted to ask the same question
[13:53] <sheytan> apachelogger: but, the light dm theme. Mine is improved a bit. maybe we put that one? :D
[13:54] <murthy> sheytan: using a new kdm theme will make us deter from our moto
[13:54] <murthy> sheytan: i mean the greeter theme
[13:55] <sheytan> murthy: it's almost the same. I just moved the buttons in the middle
[13:55] <murthy> sheytan: so you will merge that with the upstream?
[13:56] <sheytan> maybe
[13:56] <sheytan> murthy: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/01/motyw-lightdm-dla-kde-i-ksplash.html
[13:56] <sheytan> watch the screencast in 1080p
[13:57] <sheytan> btw, the splash screen i modified too. And it is simply cool
[13:58] <murthy> sheytan: this looks cool
[13:58] <murthy> sheytan: have to consulted with the policy makers?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> sheytan: oh
[14:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do you have a patch for the QML to display the dates at the top in lightdm?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> like in your blog
[14:06] <sheytan> shadeslayer: i don't and you don't need one. you just edit the main.qml file and add few lines to import the clock. Ofrouce you need in the source dir the clock.qml too.
[14:06] <sheytan> i made even one with analog clock
[14:06] <sheytan> and now i'm trying to put the battery monitor to it :)
[14:06] <shadeslayer> sheytan: that's what I was asking ;)
[14:06] <shadeslayer> a patch for the QML file
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I am a QML noob
[14:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer: i will upload the theme later and look you to it
[14:07] <sheytan> me to :D
[14:07] <shadeslayer> and I don't particularly like it myself
[14:07] <sheytan> i made only changes while looking at the code and googling for apis etc ;D
[14:08] <shadeslayer> which is what I do
[14:09] <sheytan> and it works just fine ;)
[14:09] <sheytan> the clock is from QT examples page
[14:10] <sheytan> i just downloaded it and put into my theme ;)
[14:25] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[14:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:13] <Riddell> do left handed people really swap button order on their mouse? http://s9.postimage.org/6s4hbpqcv/snapshot2.png
[15:14] <BluesKaj> I do swap sometimes to give my right hand a rest , it's seems natural to do so
[15:16] <BluesKaj> I used work on lab instruments that use application software and one of the users was left handed , I got used to using the mouse left handed, was that difficult.
[15:16] <apachelogger> grub2 cannot tile backgrounds
[15:16] <BluesKaj> wasn't
[15:16] <apachelogger> what a disappointment
[15:41] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/672356/
[15:41] <apachelogger> :P
[15:41] <yofel> rofl
[15:53] <BluesKaj> , time to push some snow ...BBL
[15:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 15:55 < carewolf> Riddell: https://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit-23/trees/qtwebkit-2.3-beta2b there you go. 49.2 MByte, new release for tar-balling.
[15:56] <Riddell> a nice one
[15:57] <shadeslayer> where did you get that from?
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from asking him on #qtwebkit
[15:57] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look right after dinner :)
[16:01] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/revision/517
[16:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: elite grub hackage!
[16:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:09] <apachelogger> now if only we could make grub look nice ^^
[16:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: we need to make grub look nice
[16:09] <apachelogger> it would of course help a bunch if grub could actually tile -.-
[16:10] <sheytan> grub? is there a need?
[16:11] <apachelogger> you keep telling me how important that stuff is
[16:12] <sheytan> ok, ok :D
[16:12] <sheytan> i get it :D
[16:12] <apachelogger> yet I almost never ever see anything up to lightdm, and lightdm I even only see for like 5 seconds
[16:12] <apachelogger> on that note
[16:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: the clock in your lightdm theme is too aggressive IMO
[16:12] <apachelogger> way too big an animation
[16:12] <sheytan> you can modify it
[16:26]  * sheytan test
[16:26]  * sheytan odl toshibas are the worst notebooks to disasable :/
[16:26]  * sheytan is tired of
[16:33]  * shadeslayer rages at ssh
[16:38] <agateau> Riddell: I have some patches for ubiquity, I am going to file a merge request for them. Should I add you as a reviewer?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> :|
[16:41] <shadeslayer> WARNING: /tmp/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3-beta2/Source/api.pri:112: Unable to find file for inclusion /include/QtWebKit/headers.pri
[16:41] <shadeslayer> and then : Project ERROR: Failed to resolve install headers
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you can have qtwebkit
[16:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:43] <shadeslayer> this is ETOOSHITTY
[16:48] <Riddell> agateau: sure
[16:49] <Riddell> agateau: and thanks :)
[16:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh you're too kind </sarcasm>
[16:50] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:02] <agateau> Riddell: request filed
[17:03] <agateau> Riddell: Ubiquity window is too small for french strings, I am considering removing some of the fancy borders and turn it into a classic window. Any objection?
[17:09]  * apachelogger found out how to do inheritance in plymouth \\o/
[17:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: inheritance?
[17:16] <Riddell> agateau: ooh that bling is really nice
[17:16] <agateau> Riddell: I am not talking about removing all the bling, but rather turning it into resizable bling
[17:16] <Riddell> agateau: the fixed size is not ideal for sure, but it should also fit on a netbook sized monitor and this one only just fits
[17:16] <agateau> Riddell: not in french
[17:17] <Riddell> resizable bling sounds good
[17:17] <agateau> :)
[17:17] <Riddell> the step names on the left don't have enough space in lots of languages
[17:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: foo = [] | "Foo"; makes foo a hash and a string
[17:18] <shadeslayer> wait what
[17:18] <shadeslayer> I do not understand that one bit :P
[17:19] <apachelogger> u silly
[17:19] <apachelogger> actually hash+string is silly too
[17:19] <apachelogger> foo = 3 | "Foo";
[17:19] <apachelogger> bar = foo + 3;
[17:19] <apachelogger> / bar = 6
[17:20] <apachelogger> foobar = foo.CharAt(0);
[17:20] <apachelogger>  //foobar = "F"
[17:21] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what you're talking about
[17:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> inheritance in plymouth!
[17:22] <shadeslayer> errrrr .. I thought you were talking about class inheritance
[17:22] <apachelogger> plymouth has no classes
[17:22]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[17:23] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's why I was confused
[17:23] <apachelogger> well
[17:23] <apachelogger> technically it does
[17:23] <apachelogger> though not really
[17:23] <shadeslayer> so whats this new inheritance thing you're talking about
[17:23] <apachelogger> aka [] and String would be native classes
[17:24] <apachelogger> tho since those are implemented in C that statement is also not really true
[17:24] <apachelogger> anywho
[17:24] <apachelogger> so in plymouth you inherit by using the | operator
[17:24] <apachelogger> and then comes more undocumented madness
[17:24] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:25] <apachelogger> there's a local and global variable which in fact does nothing more than provide the respective scope from what I understand
[17:25] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:25] <apachelogger> so a toplevel var foo would also be accessible via global.foo
[17:25] <apachelogger> (which IMO makes that a bit of an implementation leakage, but oh well...)
[17:26] <apachelogger> declaring a function Foo is also accessible via global.Foo
[17:26] <apachelogger> so you now have javascript-like prototype crap
[17:27] <apachelogger> Foo = fun() { return [] | global.Foo; } | [];
[17:27] <apachelogger> Foo is now a hashable Foo
[17:31] <apachelogger> ah in case it's not obvious why one inherits from global.Foo ... global.Foo is technically an object of its own, having functions as properties (e.g. Foo.Bar = fun() {}; is global.Foo.bar), as such inheriting from global.Foo allows one to use Bar as a function on an instance of Foo ... i.e. foo.Bar() works because foo is an instance of [] | global.Foo and global.Foo.Bar is fun() {};
[17:32] <apachelogger> considering the amount of code in the script plugin that is really nice
[17:47] <apachelogger> bug 285626
[17:48] <xnox> sounds like a very old bug...
[18:02] <shadeslayer> oh fun
[18:03] <shadeslayer> someone abstracted over various packaging formats
[18:03] <shadeslayer> https://github.com/lubosz/cerbero
[18:15] <agateau> pfff, ubiquity is slooooow
[18:17] <shadeslayer> pythorn!!!
[18:24] <agateau> shadeslayer: debconf!
[18:24] <agateau> Riddell: taking advantage of maximized ubiquity to list all my (virtual) disks: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/15/ubiquity-maximized.png
[18:25] <agateau> also note how it says "Ubuntu 12.10" in the partition list
[18:26] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:27] <Riddell> agateau: ooh la la
[18:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: more d-i's and debconf's fault than python's
[18:28]  * agateau wonders if "ooh la la" is good or bad
[18:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:28] <Riddell> agateau: terrible!
[18:28] <Riddell> yes, I agree it's nice :)
[18:29] <agateau> great :)
[18:30] <agateau> time to go, will continue next week
[18:56] <xnox> is 12.10 there because this is photoshop or because os-release mis-detected stuff?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ..BBL
[19:31] <blaze> so, how's going qtwebkit-23 packaging?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> xnox: or possibly hard coded string?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> blaze: it's going nowhere :P
[19:53] <blaze> why?
[19:55] <blaze> i know it builds only with some perl-script, and qmake files should be fixed a lot :)
[19:55] <shadeslayer> shitty build systems :P
[19:58] <shadeslayer> blaze: in any case, we will try and package it, but it's going to take time
[20:12] <apachelogger> mh
[20:12] <apachelogger> talking about slow ubiquity
[20:12] <apachelogger> someone should look into that
[20:12] <apachelogger> in fact
[20:12] <apachelogger> perhaps we should make the next dev series about making stuff faster
[20:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coke
[20:27]  * kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to apachelogger.
[20:36] <yofel> the one thing I usually notice about ubiquity is that it tends to run at 100% CPU most of the time for some reason
[20:41] <apachelogger> well, it's doing stuff most of the time :P
[22:23] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1126052] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1126052 (by tuxmouraille)