[09:03] <doko> fabbione: if you have any idea about  http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4267 let me know; seen on the feisty-plusone chroot on faure
[09:04] <fabbione> doko: can you make the sources for the new toolchain available somewhere public for davem to fetch?
[09:05] <fabbione> doko: and please can you look into that linking problem i asked you last week? we really don
[09:05] <doko> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ toolchain-test/
[09:05] <fabbione> we really don't want to know that we need to rebuild feisty 3 days before release
[09:05] <fabbione> ok thanks
[09:06] <doko> on my list for this week, together with OOo
[09:57] <Dvalin> ahoi


[02:04] <nhaines> belkinsa: you can always PM me without asking.  :)  (goes for everyone, too.)
[02:05] <pleia2> nhaines: a lot of folks don't like it (particularly women) so I wouldn't encourage unsolicited PMs for all ;)
[02:14] <nhaines> pleia2: I just mean no one has to ask me first.  But I give permission when requested too.  :)
[02:15] <pleia2> oh, hah, right
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:20] <dholbach> who wants to join dpm and me in a call in around 10 minutes? we'll have a chat about app dev school events
[09:30] <dholbach> dpm, yo yo yo :)
[09:31] <dpm> ;)
[10:57] <elacheche> dholbach, did you record that!?
[11:09] <dholbach> elacheche, no - it was just a chat about how we want to make it easier to have more ubuntu app dev schools
[11:09] <dholbach> elacheche, so not a presentation or anything
[11:09] <dholbach> but we're going to have two live q&a sessions on thursday and friday which will be recorded
[11:10] <elacheche> ok dholbach :) thx :) unfortunately I was afk and did saw your announcement :p x)
[11:11] <dholbach> no worries - dpm and I do our chat sessions about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1403-appdev-schools every day at the same time :)
[11:20] <elacheche> :)


[01:54] <michaelh1> Afternoon.  How can I get the messages attached to a bug using launchpadlib?
[01:54] <michaelh1> I have a bug.messages_collection_link, but trying a luanchpad.load() on that gives an error
[01:55] <doctormo> Hey michaelh1
[01:55] <doctormo> Try for message in bug.messages_collection:
[01:56] <wgrant> Not messages_collection. Just messages.
[01:58] <michaelh1> Yip, that does it.  I didn't see that in the 1.0 API doc.  What's the best way of finding such things?
[01:58] <wgrant> michaelh1: launchpadlib is magic, and +apidoc doesn't know about the magic.
[01:58] <wgrant> *_link and *_collection_link are just URLs.
[01:58] <wgrant> launchpadlib works this out, and turns them into more normal attributes that retrieve the contents automatically.
[02:00] <michaelh1> Ah, so where I was using load(task.bug_link), I should use just task.bug
[02:02] <wgrant> michaelh1: Exactly.
[02:11] <michaelh1> Is there a way to speed things up by assuming the cache is good?
[02:11] <michaelh1> or other ways of speeding things up when you're writing a new script?
[02:32] <lifeless> michaelh1: there is a post about tuning lp api scripts on the launchpad blog
[02:32] <lifeless> michaelh1: beyond that, its largely in the lp devs hands to make things faster - which we are doing
[02:38] <michaelh1> lifeless: it's more that I'm running the same script over and over while developing, so could re-use the same data without fetching
[02:39] <lifeless> lplib has a cache in it
[02:41] <lifeless> so you should already be avoiding some redudant transfer
[02:45] <michaelh1> lifeless: yip, but my data set is read only and (for now) I don't care about upstream changes
[02:45] <michaelh1> It's all good.
[02:46] <wgrant> LP rejected a PPA upload because I used a bad team name.
[02:46] <wgrant> It has ignored two subsequent uploads to the right name, giving me no response.
[02:46] <wgrant> It is correctly signed -- the changes file is identical to the rejected one.
[02:51] <tgm4883> Not sure where I should file this bug against (lauchpad.net or w3m). I filed a bug via the command line which opened up launchpad.net via w3m. I tried to login, multiple links are present on the login page (including cancel), but I have no way to continue. The text where I would expect continue to be a link to submit my credentials appears to just be text, not a link
[02:51] <wgrant> spm: Is germanium's process-upload.py somehow unhappy?
[02:51] <wgrant> Or its poppy-sftp?
[02:52] <lifeless> wgrant: how would I tell ?
[02:52] <lifeless> wgrant: spm is awl
[02:52] <lifeless> tgm4883: well, both arguably have a problem - I'start with a bug on launchpad-foundations
[02:53] <wgrant> lifeless: No idea.
[02:53] <wgrant> I guess I'll try cocoplum instead.
[02:53] <tgm4883> lifeless, ok, i'll file one there. Thats where I was leaning anyway since the rest of the links appear to be working. Thanks
[03:46] <Dies> Anyone else having problems with "pear"?
[03:49] <lifeless> ?
[03:51] <magcius> oi
[03:51] <magcius> Launchpad is running like hell on my Firefox
[03:52] <magcius> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg is updating very slowly when scrolling
[03:52] <micahg> magcius: nvidia chipset?
[03:52] <magcius> micahg: indeed
[03:52] <magcius> I'm running a Firefox nightly and I have a few patches for the xserver
[03:53] <lifeless> png provoked driver bug IIRC
[03:53] <magcius> lifeless: hm?
[03:53] <magcius> ok, what the hell?
[03:53] <micahg> magcius: known issue, I need to upstream it
[03:53] <magcius> https://dev.launchpad.net/ <-- the header background is a solid color png
[03:54] <magcius> and it's 1px wide, which is going to cause hell on the browser rendering
[03:54] <magcius> any reason you can't use background-color?
[03:54] <magcius> lifeless: do you know the cause?
[03:55] <magcius> lifeless: I can report it to the team, if you want.
[03:55] <wgrant> It won't cause hell -- it's a very normal technique.
[03:55] <wgrant> But yes, it should be a background colour.
[03:55] <magcius> wgrant: 1px wide is still stupid.
[03:56] <lifeless> well, we still support ie6
[03:56] <magcius> ok
[03:56] <lifeless> anyhow, I don't know the cause, I just remember a thread somewhere about linux driver bugs causing this behaviour
[03:56] <lifeless> micahg: do you have a bug # for magcius ?
[03:56] <magcius> I don't run Ubuntu.
[03:57] <lifeless> magcius: And ? Its not Ubuntu specific (in fact, I suspect we've fixed it in Ubuntu)
[03:57] <magcius> lifeless: hm, how did you fix it? xorg patch?
[03:57] <micahg> bug 223238
[03:57] <magcius> Thanks
[03:58] <magcius> oh what the hell
[03:58] <magcius> can I have a txt dump of that page, comments, attachments?
[03:58] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/bugs/223238/+text
[03:59] <magcius> Thanks
[03:59] <magcius> This is why I love LP./
[03:59] <magcius> Except for code hosting.
[04:00] <magcius> ok, there's no patches
[04:00] <magcius> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14027687/unnamed <-- oh, thanks
[06:51] <micahg> is there anyone around why can score up the chromium and mozilla daily builds?
[06:51] <StevenK> Yes, I can.
[06:51] <micahg> StevenK: awesome, do you know where they are?
[06:52] <StevenK> Nope, I am blissfully unaware
[06:52] <StevenK> I'm guessing ubuntu-mozilla-daily somewhere
[06:52] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[06:53] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages
[06:53] <micahg> StevenK: don't bother w/chromium-codecs-ffmpeg as it's broke
[06:53] <micahg> StevenK: thanks :)
[06:53] <StevenK> You want all of the chromium builds bumped?
[06:54] <StevenK> Doesn't it take hours to build?
[06:54] <micahg> StevenK: looks like just i386 needs bumping
[06:55] <micahg> and for the daily, I think it's an hour
[06:55] <micahg> oh, maybe not
[06:55] <StevenK> micahg: i386 for hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid and maverick is where I'm going ...
[06:55] <micahg> yeah, between 1-2 hrs depending on which builder I think
[06:56] <micahg> maverick build in 1 hr, jaunty in 2
[06:56] <micahg> on amd64
[06:58] <micahg> maybe it's just the small number of builders...not the python stuff
[06:58] <micahg> python stuff is still 2400
[06:58] <micahg> StevenK: any idea how long until the PPA bulders come back, i386 is showing 8/1 for build date
[06:59] <StevenK> Nope, but they're not usually gone all that long
[06:59] <micahg> StevenK: well, if we have to be picky about which builds to rescore, I'd say lucid and maverick
[06:59] <StevenK> But yes, you're right, there's 7 amd64 builders and 3 i386
[07:00] <StevenK> micahg: Given there's 3 builders, I'm a little bit retiscent to score up a bunch of stuff that could keep one builder fully occupied for over 24 hours, that's all.
[07:00] <micahg> that should only be about 8 hrs of build time
[07:01] <micahg> StevenK: no, just lucid and maverick i386 for mozilla daily and chromium daily
[07:01] <micahg> that should be around 8 hrs
[07:01] <StevenK> That's still 8 hours just for chromium :-)
[07:01] <micahg> no, should be 2-4
[07:02] <micahg> StevenK: just the daily PPA I think
[07:02] <wgrant> Um.
[07:02] <wgrant> There are 3 i386 builders.
[07:02] <wgrant> Dailies are surely the last things that should be scored up.
[07:02]  * StevenK waves his hands
[07:03] <StevenK> I'm doing it because I was asked to, and would rather avoid an argument about the best use of buildd CPU time
[07:03] <wgrant> Well.
[07:03] <wgrant> I don't think dailies are the best use.
[07:03] <micahg> these are the most popular dailies
[07:03] <wgrant> Given that they happen... daily.
[07:03] <wgrant> And take a damn long time to build.
[07:04]  * micahg will reduce the request even further to just xulrunner-2.0 and firefox 4.0 i386 for lucid and maverick for the mozilla stuff which'll take all of 2 hrs to build
[07:05] <StevenK> micahg: That's all of the chromium stuff bumped
[07:06] <micahg> StevenK: I hope just 2 builds, right?
[07:07] <StevenK> micahg: 4 builds
[07:07] <StevenK> But I've bumped stuff by mistake that can be fixed
[07:07] <StevenK> micahg: And xulrunner-2.0 firefox-4.0 i386 {lucid,maverick} bumped
[07:08] <micahg> StevenK: awesome, thank you :)
[07:12] <magcius> micahg: why aren't you just using the nightlies provided by Mozilla?
[07:12] <micahg> magcius: we use some system libs and our builds come as .debs
[07:12] <magcius> micahg: ok.
[07:12] <magcius> micahg: are there any changes to the source besides the configuration?
[07:13] <magcius> micahg: also, are you using PGO?
[07:13] <micahg> magcius: yes, we remove the binary parts
[07:13] <micahg> magcius: no, not yet since upstream is not doing it yet
[07:13] <magcius> micahg: binary parts? Also, isn't this a violation of the trademark guidelines?
[07:13] <micahg> magcius: we should go to #ubuntu-mozillateam to continue this
[07:13] <magcius> micahg: ok
[07:14] <magcius> micahg: I don't use Ubuntu, though
[07:14] <micahg> magcius: k, but this discussion is OT for this channel :)
[07:15] <magcius> micahg: I agree.
[07:16] <magcius> micahg: does Launchpad have a "Send Upstream" button yet? :P
[07:16] <micahg> magcius: no, but it's in progress I think
[07:19] <magcius> is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ obsolete now with http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source having the same data and more? Will it be phased out?
[07:22] <logari81> hi, what happened with the i386 ppa builders?
[07:22] <logari81> i386  	3  	 679 jobs (three days)
[07:29] <magcius> logari81: the builders are overloaded terribly right now
[07:30] <logari81> magcius: but why only i386?
[07:30] <magcius> logari81: because that's the majority of where build jobs go
[07:30] <logari81> ok
[07:33] <logari81> magcius: is there any way to cancel some jobs? I don't want to contribute to this jam
[07:33] <magcius> logari81: don't worry about it
[07:33] <magcius> logari81: someone here could probably do it though
[08:40] <rioch> I have a bunch of new translation files that have been sitting in my import queue with the status "Needs review" for some time now.
[08:40] <rioch> How can I get these imported?
[09:41] <tseliot> any launchpadders around? I'm having a problem with a private PPA
[09:43] <tseliot> I'm seeing the following error: https://pastebin.canonical.com/35210/
[09:43] <tseliot> after I try to upload to that private PPA. Another user is having the same problem
[09:51] <tseliot> allenap: ^^
[09:57] <allenap> tseliot: I don't know about PPPAs but I'll see if I can find someone who does.
[09:57] <tseliot> allenap: thanks
[09:58] <allenap> Perhaps if I mention soyuz here I'll cause some IRC clients to go ping :)
[09:59] <bigjools> hello
[09:59] <bigjools> was OTP
[10:00] <bigjools> tseliot: it's a bug
[10:00] <bigjools> private team?
[10:01] <bigjools> we've got private teams using private PPAs elsewhere though, so this is odd
[10:04] <tseliot> bigjools: yes, it's a private team
[10:05] <bigjools> tseliot: please file a bug on launchpad-registry, their code has a bug
[10:05] <bigjools> paste that rejection message
[10:06] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[10:12] <tseliot> I've filed bug #611617
[10:12] <bigjools> tseliot: was it a private PPA as well?
[10:12] <soren> I have an e-mail in a mailing list's moderation queue which was sent by a subscriber.. How can I tell why it's being held for moderation?
[10:12] <tseliot> bigjools: yep
[10:12] <bigjools> tseliot: ok thanks
[10:14] <soren> It even correctly identifies the sender and sets the Author URL to point to his lp page.
[10:14] <soren> so it's not because he's using an e-mail address unknown to LP, which was my only guess. :-/
[10:15] <soren> He also says he doesn't actually receive any e-mails from the list.
[10:15] <tseliot> bigjools: if you need further information, just let me know :-)
[10:15] <tseliot> and thanks for your help
[10:15] <bigjools> tseliot: I need to wait for curtis to comment
[10:15] <bigjools> np
[10:16] <tseliot> ok
[10:16] <wgrant> Sounds like it's because the private team's email addres is the maintainer.
[10:16] <soren> There's a private team?
[10:17] <wgrant> soren: I refer to tseliot's issue.
[10:17] <soren> Oh.
[10:17] <soren> Heh :)
[10:17] <tseliot> ah, let me check the other packages
[10:20] <czajkowski> soren: content in the email ?
[10:20] <czajkowski> soren: or subject
[10:21] <tseliot> wgrant: I've just looked at another package (that was successfully uploaded) and the maintainer's address is not the team's address
[10:21] <soren> czajkowski: Well, he does says "Wow!" in there, but being excited should be allowed :)
[10:21] <wgrant> tseliot: What about the package that failed to upload?
[10:21] <czajkowski> soren: I'm not gonna argue, just seen it sometimes if a subject is odd or there is unusal content.
[10:22] <tseliot> wgrant: it was using the team's address
[10:22] <wgrant> tseliot: That would probably be it, then.
[10:22] <tseliot> yep, let me try here
[10:22] <soren> czajkowski: Yeah.. I don't /think/ that's it. It doesn't look spammy to my eye at all.
[10:22] <wgrant> Someone should probably add that to the bug.
[10:24] <tseliot> wgrant: I'll try to upload again and add a note in the bug report
[10:24] <soren> czajkowski: Uh... And now the one in the queue just got accepted (without my doing anything) and another one he sent shot straight through. /me suspects a man behind the curtain laughing at me right now
[10:25] <czajkowski> soren: tis early in the morning, go make yourself a cuppa tea ;)
[10:31]  * soren does so
[10:34] <tseliot> wgrant: that did it
[10:34] <wgrant> tseliot: Excellent. I've already commented on the bug.
[10:36] <tseliot> wgrant, bigjools: thanks for your help
[10:37] <bigjools> tseliot: coolio, glad it works now
[10:38] <bigjools> so it DTRT, just the error message was kinda funky
[10:38] <tseliot> yes
[10:39] <wgrant> Is it the right thing?
[10:39] <wgrant> I guess it does end up in indices...
[10:46] <X3> can anyone look at this https://code.launchpad.net/~x3lectric/xbmc/svn-trunk
[10:46] <X3> it fails most of the times
[10:48] <wgrant> X3: It's that same issue as before...
[10:48] <wgrant> LOSA ping: pear's bzr-svn config is corrupt again.
[10:48] <mthaddon> ugh
[10:48] <X3> wgrant if the issue is that it keeps failing then ya
[10:48] <jelmer> mthaddon: I'll be landing a fix for that issue tonight.
[10:49] <X3> morning btw
[10:49] <jelmer> hi William, Tom, X3
[10:49] <X3> hi jelmer
[10:49] <wgrant> Morning jelmer.
[10:50] <mthaddon> wgrant, jelmer: ok, I think that should be better now
[10:50] <X3> whos buying breakfast?
[10:50]  * jelmer hands X3 a cup of coffee
[10:50]  * X3 takes it and has a sip
[10:51] <wgrant> mthaddon: Thanks.
[10:51] <mthaddon> np
[10:51]  * X3 passes bacon sandwiches around
[10:56] <X3> also besides that trunk failing to import, i wanted to ask about ntfs-3g is there a actuall ntfs-3g-2010.5.22 all I see is older versions
[10:57] <X3> some bugs I have been fixed in that new version
[10:57] <wgrant> X3: 2010.3.6 is the latest version in Ubuntu.
[10:57] <X3> current in linux even backport dont work
[10:58] <X3> ya that version is still bummed
[10:58] <wgrant> X3: The import is going again.
[10:58] <wgrant> On one of the slow machines, sadly.
[10:58] <X3> thx
[10:58] <X3> lol
[10:58] <X3> they all slow
[10:59] <wgrant> But some are slower than others.
[10:59] <X3> 20 hours to compile sabnzbdplus backport
[10:59] <wgrant> Oh, they're different machines.
[10:59] <X3> its a bit congested it seems
[10:59] <wgrant> The build farm is a little busy at the moment.
[10:59] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:00] <X3> is there an easy way to import the new ntfs-3g and have it buid
[11:01] <X3> im quite new at packaging and all my attempts fail
[11:30] <X3> how do I request a code import if the ntfs-3g project doesnt exist
[11:30] <X3> im at the request page and only 3 related projects are up
[11:35] <X3> do I have to register the project myself or how can I link it otherwise
[12:01] <vish> hi , I'm not able to assign a bug to the docs team [I'm part of the papercuts team,the bug supervisor for papercuts project] , is that also not possible now?
[12:02] <vish> Error ID: OOPS-1672N688
[12:02] <vish> and Error ID: OOPS-1672N673
[12:03] <vish> tried several times and it keeps giving Timeout Error..
[12:19] <vish> bah , same problem with edge too :(  Error ID: OOPS-1672EB2311
[12:56] <pmatulis> can someone confirm that launchpadlib does not have proxy support?
[12:57] <pmatulis> add-apt-repository uses it (i think) and fails in proxy environment
[12:59] <jpds> pmatulis: It doesn't (but I think it's more a Python issue).
[12:59] <pmatulis> jpds: alright, thx
[13:03] <vish> hmm ,i kept trying and lp kept giving me timeout errors! but seems to have worked!
[13:03] <vish> now I have a double comment :/
[14:31] <diwic> Three days until my package builds? *moaning*
[14:33] <X3> i been waiting for way more then 3
[14:44] <bigjools> where are you getting three days from?
[14:45] <shadeslayer> we owns the buildd with KDE ... muwhahaha :P
[14:46] <shadeslayer> jk
[14:46] <diwic> bigjools, https://launchpad.net/~diwic/+archive/ppa/+build/1897162
[14:46] <bigjools> hmmm
[14:46] <bigjools> ok thanks
[14:46] <bigjools> we might get some builders back today I hope
[14:47] <diwic> bigjools, are they busy building other things?
[14:47] <diwic> bigjools, doing archive rebuilds as a result of the new toolchain?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> bigjools: same goes for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~team-iquik/+recipe/lmsensors-trunk
[14:48] <bigjools> no, the rebuilds were scored to the bottom
[14:49] <shadeslayer> btw can you delete the first 2 builds from that
[14:49] <shadeslayer> since we want the package to go in experimenting
[14:49] <bigjools> we've got a backlog because the available build machines has been reduced for 2 days
[14:49] <bigjools> you can delete your own builds if theyre not necessary
[14:49] <diwic> okay
[14:49] <shadeslayer> bigjools: ok
[14:49] <bigjools> just delete the source and the build will be ignored
[14:50] <shadeslayer> err
[14:50] <shadeslayer> bigjools: its a daily build ^_^
[14:51] <bigjools> recipe?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> bigjools: delete the recipie? :o
[14:52] <bigjools> I was asking if it's a recipe build
[14:52] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:52] <bigjools> ok
[14:52] <bigjools> abentley: is it possible to have more than one outstanding recipe build for the same package/person/ppa ?
[14:53] <abentley> bigjools, yes, if the distroseries are different.
[14:54] <bigjools> abentley: what if they're not?
[14:54] <abentley> bigjools, then you should get an error when you request it.
[14:54] <bigjools> ok
[14:55] <bigjools> shadeslayer: you can directly cancel the build request for a recipe
[14:56] <abentley> bigjools, I believe only admins can do that.
[14:57] <bigjools> abentley: oh really?  why the restriction?
[14:57] <abentley> bigjools, because it's not a proper cancel.
[14:57] <shadeslayer> brr everything is frozen
[14:58] <bigjools> oh, the slash and burn approach cancel
[14:58] <abentley> bigjools, it's just that horrible DB query, except as python.
[14:58] <shadeslayer> oh finally
[14:58] <bigjools> abentley: right
[15:04] <czajkowski> sinzui: any luck regarding yesterdays request?
[15:04] <sinzui> czajkowski, none yet. I am going to send  spam to all launchpad engineers to see if anyone knows if the information exists and how to read it
[15:05] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:05] <czajkowski> much appreciated
[15:39] <shadeslayer> jelmer: any news on the kdelibs import? :)
[15:49] <jelmer> shadeslayer: Not yet, still work in progress. I might have some more time for it tonight or some evening next week.
[16:20] <Cepheus> Hmm, milestones on my project are a bit bugged. Tried to delete the bugged milestone, got OOPS-1672C952
[16:52] <shadeslayer> jelmer: ok .. just wanted to know the status
[16:52] <jelmer> shadeslayer: I'll make sure to keep the relevant bug up to date - do you have the bug #?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> er.. i forgot :P
[16:52] <shadeslayer> ill look it up
[16:57] <shadeslayer> jelmer: bug 579491
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ive subscribed my self now
[17:50] <cody-somerville> Could I losa please rename the live-helper project to live-build?
[17:50] <mthaddon> cody-somerville: is that a blocked name? if not you should be able to rename yourself
[17:52] <cody-somerville> mthaddon, how? there isn't a field in change details
[17:52] <mthaddon> are you not the maintainer?
[17:52] <cody-somerville> mthaddon, I am, yes.
[17:53] <mthaddon> hmm, I thought maintainers could - in any case, renaming for you
[17:53] <mthaddon> cody-somerville: done
[17:54] <cody-somerville> mthaddon, thanks. Can you set up an alias too?
[17:54] <cody-somerville> mthaddon, live-helper -> live-build
[17:54] <mthaddon> ok, done
[17:54] <cody-somerville> Thank you! :)
[17:58] <mthaddon> np
[18:50] <bsaibes_> How can I find what is my ID URL
[18:54] <bsaibes_> I think I got it, it should be https://launchpad.net/~my-nickname, now I have to remember whether I have provided a nick name or where to add it
[22:34] <plars> any possible way to re-enable a ppa that has been disabled?
[22:34] <james_w> plars: yes, ask a losa I think
[22:35] <plars> james_w: ok, thanks
[22:37] <wgrant> plars: If a PPA has been disabled, you can reenable it yourself.
[22:37] <wgrant> If it's been deleted, it's not really recoverable at the moment.
[22:38] <plars> wgrant: yeah, in my case I think I deleted it, but if I try to upload to it, I think it said it was disabled... it's deleted, but still there it seems (confusing)
[22:38] <wgrant> plars: At the moment, deleting it just removes the archive from disk. It doesn't yet remove it from the database, although it probably will soon.


[11:49] <snap-l> GOod morning
[11:50] <rick_h_> morning
[11:59] <Wolfger> morning
[12:12] <snap-l> Anyone got a sec to give a promo a listen? http://ubuntuone.com/p/14QM/
[12:12] <snap-l> Tell me what you think
[12:14] <rick_h_> cool, needs a bit more oomph in the voice, sounds a little "sssh we're in a library"
[12:14] <rick_h_> but loving the concept
[12:14] <snap-l> Well, I'm trying to do it quietly so as not to disturb JoDee. :)
[12:14] <greg-g> I forget who i got this from, but this is a pretty good read: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/07/what-is-html5.html
[12:14] <rick_h_> lol, so you were in a library! I knew it!
[12:14] <snap-l> Maybe I'll re-record the voice later.
[12:15] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I mean small tweak, nothing killer against
[12:17] <snap-l> Heh, I managed to wake her anyway
[12:18] <snap-l> she told me she doesn't like being woken up that way.
[12:18] <rick_h_> that's ok, she can have my wake up
[12:18] <rick_h_> there will be a dead cat in the house before nightfall
[12:20] <rick_h_> greg-g: man he's hung up on audio/video element, probably the least used thnigs at this point still
[12:20] <greg-g> rick_h_: it isn't about "now" it is about "when we get our act together and move forward"
[12:20] <rick_h_> yea, true
[12:21] <rick_h_> but html5 is the big rage 'now' while we're still not able to get our act together
[12:21] <greg-g> "HTML5, when used both as the 21st century web suggests and as the original HTML specification allowed, is best at interconnecting things. If you view your pages as a collection of content, and let go of the rather egotistical idea that all that content has to be your own, then all of the new features of HTML5 discussed so far are hugely important. You can pull in audio and video and manipulate that audio and video as if it were your own. You can o
[12:21] <greg-g> the main point up until I had to stop to check email :)
[12:22] <rick_h_> heh and see that point I was kind of going against.
[12:22] <rick_h_> I don't get how having a container tag audio/video let's you 'own' things more
[12:22] <rick_h_> I guess that you can embed it on your page?
[12:22] <rick_h_> but you could before
[12:22] <greg-g> yeah yeah, I'm more hanging on the "incorporate content from around the web" idea
[12:22] <greg-g> well, and manipulate it with javascript/css more easily
[12:23] <rick_h_> ok, so it's just *easier* to embed that into your post since you don't need flash knowledge/etc?
[12:23] <greg-g> not just embed, do things with
[12:23] <rick_h_> I mean his point about the video guy only needing video know-how and the web guy only needing web know-how I think is a bit off base, but ok
[12:23] <greg-g> sure
[12:24] <rick_h_> hmm, guess I'm not creative enough to think of how to do more with video on a page than hit play with it. If it's via flash/html5 tag isn't that different
[12:24] <rick_h_> just that the pause button is a JS link vs a flash button
[12:27] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/14QM/
[12:27] <snap-l> Revised. (Flush cache)
[12:27] <rick_h_> Could not locate object
[12:27] <snap-l> Bah
[12:27] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/14QX/
[12:30] <rick_h_> like it
[12:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: Thanks!
[13:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: ping
[13:00] <greg-g> rick_h_: pong
[13:00] <rick_h_> so I thought the interest idea
[13:00] <rick_h_> but then realized that if you get paid once at the start of the month
[13:00] <rick_h_> you'd set into savings and it'd be earning interest, 2x the amount of the bi-weekly
[13:01] <rick_h_> so I don't htink you'd end up with more interest
[13:01] <greg-g> yeah, people usually get paid at beginning of months?
[13:01] <rick_h_> since you'd be putting the whole amount in at the start vs two parts spaced out
[13:01] <rick_h_> well I did, I started work, got paid at the start of the next month
[13:01] <rick_h_> so I had all my bills in the first week of the month
[13:01] <rick_h_> by the end of that week, put $$ in savings and that was it for the next 2X days
[13:02] <rick_h_> I guess if you started, you'd get your first paychgeck after 2wk vs a month
[13:02] <greg-g> right,t hat is nice
[13:02] <rick_h_> so that one paycheck would be in the bank for interest faster, but the rest wouldn't
[13:03] <rick_h_> but now both my wife and I get paid bi-weekly
[13:03] <rick_h_> and we're on opposite weeks
[13:03] <rick_h_> so it's kind of crazy
[13:03] <greg-g> but, looking at my paycheck, I get paid on 7/1 for my work from 6/1-6/30, so paid after the work (which is kind of obvious). So, in theory, they are earning interest on it all that month of June while I get nothing
[13:03] <rick_h_> because we get a check each week and planning out the bills is more of a mess
[13:03] <rick_h_> greg-g: right, but once you get your paycheck on july1 it's 2x the other checks
[13:04]  * greg-g nods
[13:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: Savings interest is generally computed quarterly
[13:04] <rick_h_> meh, I guess maybe. I'm not smart enough for these things lol.
[13:04] <rick_h_> snap-l: ah true
[13:04] <snap-l> so no difference between bi-monthly or monthly
[13:04] <greg-g> me neither!
[13:04] <greg-g> I need help
[13:04] <greg-g> :)
[13:04] <rick_h_> for me I just loved the once a month dealing with bills
[13:05] <rick_h_> now I have to do it several times a month to keep tabs and it drives me bonkers
[13:05] <rick_h_> I hate doing that stuff, so fewer times was better
[13:05] <snap-l> greg-g: You have a child coming. Twice a month is probably good until you get your bills in order
[13:05] <greg-g> snap-l: fair point with that
[13:05] <greg-g> rick_h_: most definitely
[13:05] <rick_h_> yea, but if you're builing savings it's your safety cache, not the bi-weekly
[13:06] <snap-l> Then you don't get tempted with "OMG! I have ${BIGNUM} left"
[13:06] <rick_h_> just because you've got another check coming doesn't put more $$ in there
[13:06] <snap-l> instead of ${BIGNUM} has to last the entire month
[13:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: True
[13:06] <rick_h_> although I probably use savings wrong, I use it like a computer memory cache often
[13:06] <snap-l> Personally I like bi-weekly
[13:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: I use it like swap
[13:06] <snap-l> which is wrong
[13:06] <rick_h_> I like to keep the checking what I can get rid of and try to end up close to 0 by the end of the month
[13:07] <rick_h_> hah! poor greg-g, we're no hlep
[13:07] <rick_h_> help
[13:07] <snap-l> I can recommend using Moneydance to help sort out the bills and such
[13:07] <snap-l> and keep a checkbook
[13:08] <snap-l> I spend about once a week downloading .qif files from my checking / savings / paypal
[13:08] <snap-l> and then once a month (usually) I'll download the credit card .qifs
[13:08] <snap-l> That way, when it comes time to reconcile, it's not such a pain in the ass.
[13:09] <snap-l> and usually catches things before they become a problem.
[13:09] <rick_h_> yea, that's more time than I can stand putting into things. But I do it wrong I know
[13:09] <snap-l> ie: When JoDee buys something and forgets to give me the receipt.
[13:09] <snap-l> or when I don't get a receipy.
[13:10] <greg-g> we use mint.com right now, I know I know, but it works good enough for use to keep tabs on things
[13:11] <rick_h_> won't hear anything from me
[13:11] <rick_h_> whatever works and all
[13:12] <greg-g> mostly I feel weird about giving intuit access to all of my banking/savings/401(k) accounts
[13:12] <greg-g> read-only, of course, but still
[13:12] <brousch> there are floss alternatives
[13:12] <Williek13> I need help with a Ubuntu Server....does anyone know how to setup LDAP/Kerberos
[13:12] <greg-g> brousch: any recommendations?
[13:12] <rick_h_> heh, man you start out guns blazing
[13:13] <rick_h_> Sorry Williek13, use ldap, and tinkered, but not in the realm to help debug a kerberos setup
[13:15] <brousch> greg-g: i think gnucash is the most favored program for personal finance stuff http://www.gnucash.org/
[13:15] <snap-l> brousch: Only if you want to learn double accounting to balance your checkbook
[13:15] <brousch> ldap makes my head hurt
[13:16] <Williek13> i agree brousch its a pain lol
[13:21] <greg-g> Williek13: do you happen to be on the U-M campus?
[13:22] <Williek13> how do you personal message? im new to this IRC
[13:23] <brousch> don't worry, no one will beat you up if you're a wolverine
[13:23] <greg-g> depends on the software you're using, usually a double click on the user name of the user you want to PM with
[13:23] <brousch> now if you're a spartan ...
[13:23] <rick_h_> Williek13: honestly, no need to PM
[13:23] <rick_h_> just chat
[13:23] <Williek13> oh i thought red was a pm
[13:23] <Williek13> lol
[13:23] <Williek13> i say go blue
[13:23] <greg-g> :)
[13:24] <Williek13> but i actually go to SVSU for college
[13:24] <greg-g> ahh, cool, I wish gamerchick was online, she is also from there
[13:24] <Williek13> ah ic where abouts are you?
[13:33] <Williek13> hey does anyone know wolfger thats on
[13:36] <snap-l> yeah, we know him
[13:39] <greg-g> Williek13: I'm in A2, most are either Detroit or suburb of Detroit, with a few on the west coast (most notaly brousch )
[13:41] <jjesse> west side rulez
[13:42] <Williek13> ah ic thanks for the info greg-g.....
[13:42] <Williek13> snap is wolf on the westside? i think i used to play an online game with him...the name sounds familiar
[13:43] <greg-g> oh, right, and jjesse, our own co-author of the Official Ubuntu Book
[13:44] <greg-g> Wolfger: is on the east side, actually
[13:46] <Williek13> ah ic wrong guy then...thanks
[13:58] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvep1WaUmOM
[14:39] <jjesse> so jcastro is moving to florida?
[14:39] <jjesse> retiring early?
[14:41] <brousch> he'll come back with gout and osteoporosis
[14:43] <snap-l> You guys are mean. ;)
[14:43] <jjesse> will he start going to dinner at 3pm as well?
[14:44] <jrwren> he doesn't already have gout?
[14:44] <jjesse> ouch
[14:45] <jrwren> i have gout. it can be painful, but its easy to manage
[14:45] <jrwren> greg-g: congrats on your marriage
[14:47] <snap-l> You guys are mean. ;)
[14:47] <snap-l> Bah, sorry... history repost
[14:48] <greg-g> jrwren: thanks buddy
[15:05] <Milyardo> snap-l: I use GNUCash for my personal accounting, and while double entry accounting is counter-intuitive to the uninitiated, IMO its the only way to do accounting correctly
[15:09] <greg-g> Milyardo: but what if I don't want to do accounting, but instead just keep on top of my finances
[15:12] <Milyardo> greg-g: "just keep on top of my finances" isn't a clearly defined goal, what is "just keep on top of my finances" and what does it achieve?
[15:13] <snap-l> Milyardo: True, ad I used Gnucash for a while. And I came back to Moneydance.
[15:14] <jrwren> greg-g: i use a spreadsheet :)
[15:15] <rick_h_> I'm with jrwren there
[15:15] <rick_h_> it's getting pretty wide these days
[15:15] <jrwren> i use rows instead of columns
[15:15] <jrwren> and new sheets every month which backref to hte previous month sheet
[15:15] <rick_h_> I have bills and their due dates/amounts down in rows
[15:15] <rick_h_> and each month is two new columns, amount paid and date paid
[15:15] <rick_h_> ah, sheets, fancy! :)
[15:16] <jrwren> oh, you track payments, I don't do that.
[15:16] <rick_h_> yea, so I can go back adn tell going up/down/did I pay/not
[15:16] <jrwren> this is more like expected and actual cash flow tracking
[15:16] <rick_h_> without having to search the band stuff
[15:16] <rick_h_> /band/bank
[15:16] <rick_h_> yea, that's how I run things I guess
[15:16] <jrwren> all depends on what you want to know.
[15:17] <jrwren> i couldn't answer "did I pay that" as quickly as you.
[15:17] <jrwren> but I can answer "how much do we usually spend on X"
[15:17] <snap-l> And that's why I use moneydance and .qif files
[15:17] <snap-l> I can verify what the bank thinks I have quickly
[15:17] <jrwren> quicken?
[15:17] <rick_h_> yea, I only track the big things
[15:17] <rick_h_> I don't track every gas/coffee purchase and categorize it
[15:18] <snap-l> jrwren: Moneydance. It's one of the few Java programs I use
[15:18] <jrwren> but bank things you have quicken or quickly?
[15:19] <snap-l> jrwren: Moneydance does .qif imports. Quickly is how fast I can import them. ;)
[15:19] <jrwren> oh.
[15:19] <Milyardo> snap-l: Moneydance looks like its double entry as well
[15:19] <jrwren> my reading fail.
[15:20] <snap-l> Milyardo: It is, but it's not a fiercely pedantic as Gnucash
[15:20] <snap-l> at least Gnucash felt very pedantic to me
[15:21] <greg-g> Milyardo: sorry, boss walked in. By that I mean: make sure I have enough money to pay bills each month in the right accounts.
[15:22] <Milyardo> snap-l: Thats probably the difference in localizations between different types of users: ie, a CPA vs everyon else
[15:22] <jrwren> sounds like we have some great specs to go write a personal accounting and finance tool that has never been written before :)
[15:23] <brousch> i also use a spreadsheet with columns for due, paid, etc. when a bill is paid, i copy it to a new row and advance the due date a month.
[15:23] <_stink_> jrwren++
[15:23] <_stink_> i'd chip in to that
[15:24] <jrwren> hehe, my problem is I don't write GUI in anything that is easily run on linux, so I can't write this said app :)
[15:25] <snap-l> how... convenient.
[15:26] <_stink_> jrwren: ok, you write the back end. :)
[15:29] <ptenhoopen> I'm going to start analyzing my spending from each month so I can see where it went.  I'll probably just use a spreadsheet for it and to generate trending graphs.
[15:38] <Wolfger> I'm surprised snap-l admitted to knowing me. :-)
[15:38] <brousch> ptenhoopen: have you heard of chext? it's a startup from ryan montgomery in the momentum program. i think it does something like that
[15:44] <ptenhoopen> No, I haven't.
[15:44] <ptenhoopen> Free?
[15:44]  * Wolfger notices jrwren has been silent since it was pointed out he could write the back-end code without any GUI skills... ;-)
[15:46] <snap-l> I <3 how I try to answer this guys question, and haven't heard anything back. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6601107/how-to-send-a-file-through-soap-in-python/6631965#6631965
[15:47] <ptenhoopen> brousch:  I found it at http://chext.net/ and it is free. Seems to be centered around texting so I don't think it's what I'm looking for/to do.
[15:48] <brousch> hm
[15:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: needs one of these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcy7EVRpXc&feature=youtu.be
[15:54] <rick_h_> from jrwren
[15:55] <brousch> snap-l rick_h_: ptenhoopen is one of my West MI friends. He is lord and master of the WMLUG and he'll be my roomie at pyohio
[15:55] <Wolfger> snap-l: well, you know, you did answer 3 days later.... that's an eternity in internet time. He was probably done with that problem by then.
[15:55] <rick_h_> nice, howdy ptenhoopen
[15:56] <ptenhoopen> rick_h_: Hi!
[15:58] <Wolfger> Oh, NM.  :-D
[16:00] <brousch> Pythonistas, what's a more elegant way of doing this? http://paste.mitechie.com/show/363/
[16:00] <Wolfger> oh, my bad. He hasn't responded since the 7th. It's the first responder who's replying on his own post and somebody else's.
[16:00] <Wolfger> brousch: case statements?
[16:01] <Wolfger> 1, 2, and fall-through
[16:01] <rick_h_> brousch: huh? why bother?
[16:01] <rick_h_> what's this going to?
[16:01] <rick_h_> a template file or something?
[16:01] <brousch> yeah
[16:01] <rick_h_> what's the template look like?
[16:01] <rick_h_> you shuold just be sending the list to the template
[16:01] <brousch> displays the image or nothing if it's none
[16:02] <rick_h_> right, but why do you need the 3 diff grid vars?
[16:02] <brousch> hm
[16:04] <brousch> ah, so i would be sending a maximum of 3 images, and i can just loop through them in the template
[16:04] <brousch> yeah, that's much better
[16:05] <rick_h_> yea
[16:05] <rick_h_> maybe do some % magic if you want to adjust the cols based on the number of results
[16:05] <rick_h_> but no need for the grid1..3
[16:05] <rick_h_> Wolfger: no case statements in python
[16:05] <Wolfger> what???
[16:05] <Wolfger> :-p
[16:06] <rick_h_> write a dispatch function/class or something better
[16:06] <Wolfger> I'm also wondering what effect limit(3) had in that code if >=3 was still needed...
[16:06] <rick_h_> not following
[16:07] <rick_h_> the .limit adds a LIMIT 3 to the sql clause
[16:07] <rick_h_> if you needed more you'd adjust your LIMIT in the sql statement
[16:07] <greg-g> welcome to the channel, ptenhoopen
[16:07] <ptenhoopen> greg-g:  Thanks
[16:07] <Wolfger> Right, so in the grid_list = we have .limit(3)
[16:08] <Wolfger> but in the if statement, we have >=3 instead of ==3
[16:08] <Wolfger> and I don't get that
[16:08] <rick_h_> ah
[16:08] <Wolfger> limit of 3 would preclude ever being >3, yes?
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea
[16:09] <rick_h_> but mayube he likes seeing >=3 vs >2 == 2 < 2
[16:10] <Wolfger> sure... just seemed like an oddity to me. Still fully functional
[16:10] <rick_h_> right, I kind of like seeing the 1,2,3 though. Easy to read
[16:11] <Wolfger> I would do ==1, ==2, ==3, and >3 for error trapping :-D
[16:12] <rick_h_> and if you got back 0 rows :P
[16:12] <Wolfger> if >3 "larger than expected array returned from query"
[16:12] <Wolfger> yeah, that too
[16:12] <brousch> that's much better, thanks. eliminated like 8 lines of code and half of my template
[16:12] <rick_h_> brousch: cool, I like that answer then
[16:12] <rick_h_> "don't rewrite it...get rid of it!" woo!
[16:13] <brousch> yeah, i started with 1 image and expanded from there, and never went back to re-evaluate it
[16:17] <brousch> that also makes it really easy to show the number of images you want instead of hard-coding 3
[16:19] <brousch> BEAUTIFUL
[17:46] <ptenhoopen> For those of you looking for open source personal finance software.  Look at the bottom of page 3.  http://www.datamation.com/open-source/63-open-source-replacements-for-popular-financial-software-1.html
[18:31] <Wolfger> frakkin' Identica spammers
[18:31] <Wolfger> don't they know Identica is dead? ;-)
[18:32] <snap-l> har har
[18:35] <Wolfger> I guess spammers using your service is a defacto certification of your viability
[19:05] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6698554/simple-cgi-python-webserver-php-not-working
[19:05] <snap-l> What is it with people trying to run PHP under Python? :)
[19:08] <rick_h_> oh man, I'm going to cry
[19:09] <snap-l> btw: If anyone wants an invite to Stack overflow Careers 2.0, I have some
[19:10] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6692132/what-web-framework-to-choose/6692640#6692640
[19:10] <rick_h_> get ready, making techie angry!!! lol
[19:10] <brousch> snap-l: "some glue code"?
[19:10] <brousch> very nice
[19:10] <rick_h_> yea, I love that bit
[19:10] <Milyardo> What's the point to a Python CGI that runs anything other than python to begin with?
[19:10] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, pulling out the tact.
[19:10] <rick_h_> my answer would have been "less php in my python please!"
[19:10] <rick_h_> Milyardo: I'm guessing it was his idea of a *light* no install web server
[19:13] <snap-l> rick_h_: ++
[19:13] <snap-l> Like people wanting to run php in paste
[19:13] <snap-l> r
[19:13] <rick_h_> right, the same idea, but paster would be harder to get running
[19:13] <rick_h_> since you've have to install it and figure out how to wsgi-ize your app for it
[19:13] <snap-l> wsgi? ;)
[19:14] <rick_h_> wspi
[19:14] <rick_h_> my bad
[19:14] <snap-l> @reboot paste server
[19:14] <rick_h_> python -m SimpleHTTPServer
[19:14] <rick_h_> "what! no php support in SimpleHTTPServer?! What kind of crappy package is that?!"
[19:16] <snap-l> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6698546/phpbb3-adding-custom-profile-field
[19:16] <snap-l> *sigh*
[19:16] <rick_h_> downvoted
[19:17] <brousch> a guy who came to a grpug meeting created this https://github.com/bendemott/pyhp
[19:18]  * rick_h_ is afraid to click
[19:18] <brousch> haven't seen him much lately
[19:18] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, that's the sort of thing I was talking about
[19:18] <brousch> i think he was using php as the templating language for a python app
[19:18] <snap-l> brousch: probably gibbering in a corner for unleashing this upon humanity.
[19:18] <Milyardo> People still use PhpBB? I thought that was vBulletien was the defecto php forum nowadays
[19:18] <snap-l> Milyardo: Yeah, but vBulletin isn't free, iirc.
[19:19] <snap-l> Milyardo: so PHPBB is the defacto way to get SPAM injected onto the internet.
[19:20] <rick_h_> really? If you're using mako with the c extensions then guess what, php in it's own process isn't going to help you any, especially when you get to mako storing the compiled caches fo the templates
[19:20] <rick_h_> and even if so, your template time is so little of your overall app execution time per request
[19:20] <rick_h_> *sigh*
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: breathe
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: breathe
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: breathe
[19:20] <rick_h_> maybe if you're facebook
[19:20] <rick_h_> then those numbers matter, I've just not been that big
[19:21] <snap-l> There might be some value for it
[19:21] <snap-l> ie: gluing together some disparate codebases
[19:21] <brousch> i think it's php devs trying to move to python but being frustrated that they can't just slap it all into their html
[19:21] <snap-l> ho boy
[19:22] <snap-l> I think I just heard an explosion south-west of me.
[19:22] <snap-l> Yep, there goes rick_h_
[19:22] <rick_h_> NW
[19:22] <rick_h_> and I'm walking away for a bit, the more I read this readme the more annoyed I get
[19:22] <snap-l> I thought you were in the office?
[19:23] <rick_h_> yea, not for long :)
[19:23] <rick_h_> but that's 14mi
[19:23] <rick_h_> so that's still NW (in theory) of 11mi?
[19:23] <snap-l> Yeah, it is
[19:23] <rick_h_> http://www.google.com/maps?q=Morpace+Inc.,+31700+Middlebelt+Road,+Farmington+Hills,+MI+48334&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.19447,50.712891&z=16
[19:23] <snap-l> if you use numbers and GPS and such
[19:23] <rick_h_> oops, sorry for the url
[19:24] <rick_h_> well I just used the nubmers of 14mi vs 11mi
[19:24] <rick_h_> :P
[21:06] <snap-l> Apparently my machine is now incapable of burning a DVD.
[21:16] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: duh, you're using Linux.
[21:16] <devinheitmueller> :-)
[21:19] <snap-l> Not helping
[22:20] <alpha-01> hello all
[22:20] <alpha-01> met some of you yesterday.
[22:20] <alpha-01> hopefully i can get a little more help...
[22:20] <rick_h_> ruhroh
[22:21] <alpha-01> installed 11.04 yesterday
[22:21] <alpha-01> didn
[22:21] <alpha-01> 'tdidn't get all the updates right then
[22:21] <alpha-01> was able to connect to wifi, can't today
[22:21] <alpha-01> hoping it is just an update i need
[22:21] <alpha-01> can someone tell me how to run the updates?
[22:22] <alpha-01> i did "sudo apt-get update"
[22:22] <alpha-01> but i think there must be more to it than that...
[22:22] <alpha-01> please help.
[22:23] <rick_h_> yea, update just gets the list of updates
[22:23] <rick_h_> to perform the upgrade you have to run
[22:23] <rick_h_> sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:24] <alpha-01> and that should fix everything?
[22:24] <alpha-01> "should" being the operative word...
[22:26] <Blazeix> it will upgrade your system, no promises on fixing everything :)
[22:45] <Dekkard> wl


[01:55] <Ze4fer> Torrent download link for Focal Fossa is broken - https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[01:58] <Ze4fer> As shown on main web site.
[02:09] <Bashing-om> Ze4fer: Works for me >> " -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop sysop    148156 Sep  9 21:05  xubuntu-20.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent" via https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/ .
[02:10] <rfm> problem is xubuntu,org/download still points to 20.04.4
[02:15] <rfm> ah, I found the mail link to report errors, will do
[02:52] <Ze4fer> Cheers.
[10:47] <xu-help94w> I've got a question about how Xubuntu automatically configures a network connection. Let's suppose I have a Wi-Fi hotspot. Am I right to guess that it is always done through NetworkManager.service? Or is it not? There's some other ones as well. systemd-networkd.service and systemd-resolved.service. I
[10:48] <xu-help94w> I've heard two daemons should not be run simultaneously, but systemd is... kinda always present in distros. So...
[10:49] <xu-help94w> When I connect to a network easily, with which daemon is it done, NetworkManager or systemd-networkd?
[10:51] <xu-help94w> I could guess it is NetworkManager, but I dunno, perhaps it is somehow systemd-networkd being preconfigured?
[19:04] <xu-help94w> Which greeter does Xubuntu use? How to find it out? I've heard Xubuntu uses LightDM, but I suppose it's a different thing from a greeter... How to find out in any distro what greeter it uses if it's 100% LightDM?
[19:25] <krytarik> xu-help94w: Xubuntu uses lightdm-gtk-greeter, and I guess the most universal way to check what greeter is being used is to check the logs in '/var/log/lightdm'
[19:26] <xu-help94w> krytarik, you a lot!
[19:26] <xu-help94w> thank* :)