[00:15] <wgrant> mushroomblue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas lets you search through the packages.
[00:19] <Nafallo> hi. anyone around for changing the repo of a vcs-import?
[00:50] <wgrant> beuno: Doing a side-by-side comparison of old vs. new bug pages, the sprite changes have moved some of the icons a few pixels out of their ideal locations. They've less padding in some cases, more in others, and are off centre in places too (particularly person links).
[00:54] <LCID_Fire> Is anyone able to explain the differences of debian binary to source packages?
[00:55] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Source packages are built to produce binary packages.
[00:55] <wgrant> Or do you mean technical differences?
[00:56] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: in detail I mean why are scripts not allowed in source packages? There is no way (AFAIK) to generate them...
[00:58] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: What do you mean?
[00:59] <wgrant> There are normally lots of scripts in a source package. But what in particular are you talking about?
[01:00] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: I have a package which is IMO "source". PPA complains it is "binary" due to scripts included. And I just don't get why, how, ...
[01:00] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Erm... that has nothing to do with scripts.
[01:00] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Can you pastebin the error message?
[01:03] <LCID_Fire> It says: "Upload rejected because it contains binary packages" - it fucks up somewhere in the flow of autotools, debianize and what not - I am so $%&§ confused
[01:03] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: How did you build the package?
[01:03] <wgrant> And how did you run dput?
[01:04] <LCID_Fire> "git-buildpackage --git-ignore-new" and then dput ../*.changes
[01:04] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: What is before the .changes?
[01:04] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: e.g. areca_7.1.2_amd64
[01:05] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: The _amd64 is your problem. You are uploading an amd64 binary package, as well as a source package.
[01:05] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Try adding -S to the git-buildpackage options, to force it to only build source.
[01:05] <wgrant> Then upload the _source.changes.
[01:06] <LCID_Fire> there is no _source.changes
[01:06] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: There is if you build with -S...
[01:09] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: you are right - and I am pissed that -S is not documented :(
[01:09] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: It's documented in all of the documentation that I know of.
[01:09] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Building in particular.
[01:10] <wgrant> But it's also in the manpages of the tools that build the packages.
[01:10] <LCID_Fire> man git-buildpackage does not say anything
[01:10] <wgrant> git-buildpackages is a wrapper, so I wouldn't expect it to.
[01:10] <LCID_Fire> I would
[01:11] <wgrant> It just passes all of the options through to debuild or dpkg-buildpackage, so that would be pretty strange.
[01:11] <wgrant> Given that its manpage would have to track dpkg-buildpackage changes.
[01:11] <LCID_Fire> btw: should I wonder when the generated tar.gz is the same as before?
[01:11] <wgrant> tar.gz, or orig.tar.gz?
[01:12] <LCID_Fire> there is no orig.tar.gz
[01:12] <wgrant> Did you intend to build a native package?
[01:13] <LCID_Fire> I just want to upload the $%&§ package to ppa - and it turns out to be an epic struggle
[01:13] <wgrant> (also, from git-buildpackage's manpage:
[01:13] <wgrant>        · Call debuild(1) (or the application specified via --git-builder) with arguments instructing it to ignore Git meta-data in the diff.gz, passing along all arguments given to git-buildpackage that don’t start with --git-.
[01:13] <wgrant> )
[01:13] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Nobody ever said packaging was trivial, I don't believe.
[01:13] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: yes but it should not be that hard!
[01:14] <wgrant> Anyway, this is well into the realm of #ubuntu-motu, rather than here.
[01:14] <wgrant> And I need to have breakfast.
[01:14] <LCID_Fire> ok, thanks so far
[01:18] <LCID_Fire> in man git-buildpackage  it says: git-buildpackage will, * Build an orig.tar.gz if it doesn't exist.
[01:24] <cody-somerville> The download icon overlaps the text associated with it now
[01:24] <cody-somerville> as seen with lp #389749
[01:35] <wgrant> cody-somerville: There are lots of sprite-related regressions - that one is known and fixed.
[02:17] <etank> anyone reporting issues with registering gpg keys in launchpad?
[02:18] <etank> i entered my fingerprint about 5 hours ago and never got the email to decrypt to finish the process
[02:19] <etank> i even set a different email address for it to try to send to
[02:19] <etank> still nothing yet
[02:44] <etank> any ideas?
[02:47] <wgrant> etank: A few other people have reported delayed emails.
[02:47] <etank> how long of a delay?
[02:48] <wgrant> etank: The other person who complained about OpenPGP confirmation emails said he didn't have it after half an hour, and never reported that it had come...
[02:49] <etank> hmm. thats no good
[02:49] <etank> i know that i waited for 5 hours and still no email
[02:49] <wgrant> etank: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, perhaps.
[02:49] <etank> i updated a question there a few minutes ago
[02:50] <wgrant> Where?
[02:53] <etank> one sec
[02:54] <jml> SamB, at 2am, I never have any idea :)
[02:56] <etank> its an old on but https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/28068
[02:57] <wgrant> etank: It's really not a good idea to hijack questions like that. I'd suggest asking a new one, or it's likely to get lost.
[02:57] <etank> i felt that the question was somewhat relevant
[02:57] <etank> i can ask a new one though
[02:58] <wgrant> It's not really relevant, and it is closed, so it's never going to get looked at.
[02:59] <SamB> jml: oh, you're one of those crazy australlians who's completely on the wrong side of the clock ?
[03:00]  * wgrant crushes SamB with midday.
[03:00] <etank> wgrant: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/74778
[03:17] <etank> guess i will let it sit until tomorrow and see what happens.
[05:52] <MTecknology> How can I change the project a branch is associated with?
[05:53] <MTecknology> do I need to make a new banch?
[05:56] <wgrant> MTecknology: I believe the UI for moving branches was removed ~2.2.5. You might be able to do it through the API, but I'm not sure.
[05:57] <MTecknology> alrighty. I can just branch/push/delete
[05:57] <MTecknology> do you know why it was pulled?
[05:57] <wgrant> No.
[05:58] <wgrant> But my guess is that it was probably something to do with the UI needing to be more complex to accomodate source package branches.
[05:58] <wgrant> And since it's such a rare action...
[05:58] <MTecknology> ya. I just noticed a lot of branches I have are assigned to the wrong project
[05:59] <MTecknology> gr, I thought tinying things up was going to be easy but I made a mess
[06:02] <wgrant> MTecknology: You can do it easily through the API, if you want.
[06:02] <wgrant> (I just tried it)
[06:03] <MTecknology> how do I do that?
[06:03] <MTecknology> somehow https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-theme-devs/ubuntu-drupal-theme/6.x is showing up under https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-releases
[06:03] <wgrant> MTecknology: Do you know how to use launchpadlib?
[06:03] <MTecknology> no
[06:05] <wgrant> MTecknology: Install python-launchpadlib, and see https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib#Getting%20started. Once you get past the auth stage, I'll tell you what to do.
[06:05] <MTecknology> thanks
[06:05] <MTecknology> wgrant: any ideas why it's showing up like that?
[06:06] <wgrant> MTecknology: Make sure you replace STAGING with EDGE in that example
[06:06] <wgrant> MTecknology: It's because it's set as the series branch.
[06:06] <MTecknology> oh
[06:07] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-releases/6.x/+edit
[06:07] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[06:07] <wgrant> Change the branch there to something else.
[06:07] <wgrant> And it will go away.
[06:07] <MTecknology> :D
[06:19] <MTecknology> wgrant: why can't we remove blueprints?
[06:19] <wgrant> MTecknology: No idea.
[06:20] <MTecknology> can I attach it to a person instead of a project?
[06:20] <wgrant> A blueprint? No. That wouldn't make sense.
[06:20] <MTecknology> I just want to get rid of it :P
[06:21] <wgrant> Mark it Obsolete.
[06:21] <MTecknology> kirkland: ({)
[06:21] <MTecknology> wrong channel - that wasn't bitlbee :P
[06:23] <MTecknology> kirkland: sorry
[06:26] <MTecknology> wgrant: If I retarget a blueprint for a different project, will the karma go with it?
[06:28] <wgrant> MTecknology: I don't think so, but I couldn't be sure.
[06:29] <MTecknology> wgrant: k, I just wanted to know if the karma would be attached to the other project. I have no idea how karma is actually assigned
[06:31] <MTecknology> anyway, time for work
[06:31] <MTecknology> wgrant: thanks for the help :)
[06:31] <wgrant> MTecknology: No problem.
[06:33] <MTecknology> wgrant: last question - is it possible to rename a project?
[06:33] <MTecknology> or only teams?
[06:33] <wgrant> MTecknology: An admin can rename the project for you.
[06:34] <MTecknology> you mean a rubber ducky?
[06:34] <MTecknology> :P
[06:34] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:34] <MTecknology> I'll file a request when I get off work
[06:34] <MTecknology> thanks again
[06:34] <wgrant> np
[06:37] <MTecknology> wgrant: nvm - I asked it.
[06:37] <MTecknology> I'm sure it'll be you to take care of it since you're around now. Thanks in advance if you do. Time to run
[06:43] <wgrant> MTecknology: Er, I have no such power.
[08:37] <nellery> is it possible to change the key a PPA is signed with?
[08:58] <lifeless> nellery: I imagine the sysadmins can, if there is a problem with it.
[08:58] <lifeless> nellery: if you actually mean 'can you choose the key', the answer is no.
[08:59] <nellery> lifeless: thanks
[08:59] <lifeless> you can however, sign the key that is used to sign PPA builds
[09:00] <lifeless> if you want to certify it. This is effectively the same as it being your key [except you can't sign things with it yourself]
[12:35] <lifeless> james_w: ping; package branches where are they on lp?
[12:35] <lifeless> jml: if perchance you're around
[13:08] <etank> still no email to finish the process to verify my gpg key on launchpad
[13:08] <etank> now it has been 10 hours
[14:41] <maxb> "verify"?
[16:30] <MTecknology> Can a Driver of a project add upload files to a series?
[16:32] <MTecknology> allenap: do you know?
[16:37] <beuno> MTecknology, you mean the driver you set in bugs?
[16:37] <MTecknology> here - https://edge.launchpad.net/drupal-ubuntu-countdown/+edit-people
[16:38] <MTecknology> beuno: I want to know is the driver will be able to add a download file to a series. Reading that it looks like they can make the series, but it doesn't explain that to where my tired mind can comprehend
[16:39] <beuno> MTecknology, they should be able yes, otherwsie its a bug
[16:39] <MTecknology> thanks :D
[16:39] <MTecknology> that's exactly what I need them to be able to do
[16:39] <MTecknology> I want to give the ubuntu-website team some control over that
[18:44] <jwbee> hi
[18:45] <jwbee> launchpad is all about the "Timeout error" right now
[23:27] <RenatoSilva> Does Loggerhead have permalinks?
[23:28] <Peng_> RenatoSilva: Permalinks?
[23:28] <RenatoSilva> permanet links
[23:28] <RenatoSilva> for the source code
[23:29] <RenatoSilva> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erenatosilva/%2Bjunk/moin.macro.childpages/download/renato_silva-20090620220448-vcluh5vueefsrn2i/childpages.py-20090620220344-3uvqg24v5ninpo1x-1/ChildPages.py
[23:29] <RenatoSilva> I don't think this link will always be the same
[23:31] <RenatoSilva> I mean something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+junk/moin.macro.childpages/head:/download:/ChildPages.py
[23:37] <Peng_> Links to specific revision IDs won't change.
[23:37] <Peng_> Things like "head:" obviously will.


[03:22] <totimkopf> ek sit en ek eet vis en tjips :D
[07:47] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos to please send me a link, I'm not subscribed to the list
[07:47] <Maaz> Squirm: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[08:51] <nuvolari> o/
[14:44] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[14:51] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:01]  * Symmetria deletes his accounts on 80% of tenet servers
[16:01] <Symmetria> :P yay, no access, no responsibility
[16:01] <Symmetria> rotfl
[16:02] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: please fix debian.mirror.ac.za first :)
[16:02] <Symmetria> tumbleweed heh, I'm retaining access to that :P
[16:02] <Symmetria> I'll still be helping with mirror from outside tenet
[16:02] <Symmetria> whats wrong with debian.mirror anyway
[16:02] <tumbleweed> stalled for a week, again
[16:03] <Symmetria> wtf, will look in a second, need to just be careful because bandwidth is in short supply at the moment
[16:03] <tumbleweed> you and ambo should probably subscribe to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as well: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2011/10/msg00000.html
[16:03] <Symmetria> seacom is dead
[16:03] <tumbleweed> oh, that sucks
[16:03] <Symmetria> and will be dead for the next 10 to 14 days
[16:03]  * tumbleweed wonders how he didn't notice
[16:04] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/371306-SEACOM-Outage
[16:04] <Symmetria> heh bargain on at least 10 days, though possibly as long as 15
[16:06] <tumbleweed> :/
[17:50] <Kilos> hey Squirm
[17:52] <Kilos> you been kinda scarce
[17:52] <Kilos> Maaz, spell scarce
[17:52] <Maaz> Kilos: That seems correct. Carry on
[17:52] <Kilos> yay
[17:53] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:53] <nlsthzn> Alo uncle Kilos :)
[17:53] <Kilos> sad day for sa rugger fans hey
[17:53] <nlsthzn> :'(
[17:54] <superfly> hi Kilos, nlsthzn
[17:54] <nlsthzn> Hey superfly :)
[17:54] <Kilos> hey superfly hows things?
[17:55] <superfly> Kilos: they'll be good when the food gets here
[17:55] <Kilos> lol you at a restaurant
[17:56] <superfly> no, at home!
[17:56] <Kilos> oh my
[17:57] <superfly> here it is...
[17:57] <Kilos> go help the yank
[17:57] <Kilos> lol sorry mrs_fly
[17:57] <nlsthzn> :) om nom nom
[17:58] <superfly> chicken braai
[17:58] <Kilos> dont talk with your mouth half full
[17:58] <Kilos> fill it and shut up
[17:58] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:11]  * nlsthzn us chuffed, will get to go to Dubai this Thursday for the Oneiric release party :D
[18:11] <nlsthzn> *is
[18:12] <Kilos> thats nice
[18:13] <inetpro> guten abend
[18:17] <nlsthzn> alo inetpro
[18:17] <Kilos> yo inetpro gaan dit goed boet
[18:18] <inetpro> heh, ok and you guys?
[18:18] <Kilos> well ty
[18:19]  * inetpro is happy that the sharks are coming home
[18:19] <Kilos> not the sharks man
[18:19] <Kilos> die dom bokke
[18:19] <inetpro> lol
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: now them sharks have a chance to win the local cup
[18:20] <Kilos> yeah
[18:21]  * nlsthzn stays quiet, Bulls and Bokke in one week-end :( Oh well
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <inetpro> nlsthzn: you can't win them all
[18:22] <nlsthzn> To true :)
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah but its hard to wait for years or even 8 for another win
[18:23] <Kilos> they were dom
[18:23] <Kilos> shoulda lost the game against
[18:23] <Kilos> um
[18:23] <Kilos> eish
[18:23] <Kilos> i forgot
[18:24] <nlsthzn> Wales
[18:24] <Kilos> wales maybe
[18:24] <nlsthzn> I can see them winning this cup
[18:24] <Kilos> ya then wlaes woulda played the ausies now
[18:25] <Kilos> yeah they are super fit and very committed
[18:25] <nlsthzn> Yup... but if you want to be world champs you need to be able to beat anyone IMO...
[18:25] <Kilos> the prob was mainly the ref
[18:26] <Kilos> gave a few bad decisions against us
[18:26] <Kilos> and its hard to play the ref as well
[18:27] <inetpro> watch the french rooster
[18:27] <Kilos> anyone of them can win except the ausies
[18:27] <Kilos> they bad guys
[18:27] <Kilos> dirty players
[18:28] <Kilos> their motto is win by any means
[18:28] <Kilos> that pocock shoulda been carded he made so many illegal moves in rucks
[18:28] <Kilos> but they name him man of the match
[18:30] <Kilos> i got a 2 trojans today
[18:30] <Kilos> killed pidgin
[18:30] <Kilos> clamtk found them
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: what did it found?
[18:31] <Kilos> trojan virusses
[18:32] <Kilos> i shoulda written it down
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[18:32] <Kilos> was deep in /home/miles/ more/more/
[18:33] <Kilos> the minute a message came in on pidgin pc hung
[18:33] <inetpro> you shoud have posted it here
[18:33] <Kilos> 3 reboots then i removed pidgin and got clam
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah i shoulda
[18:34] <Kilos> one was is pine something
[18:34] <Kilos> dont even know what that is
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: there should be a log, or perhaps it's still in your history
[18:34] <Kilos> i was doff i didnt tell clam to save
[18:35] <inetpro> I'm sure it's a false positive
[18:35] <Kilos> dunno where else to look for them
[18:36] <Kilos> whatever it was it really messed up pidgin
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you know that?
[18:36] <Kilos> what?
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: "it really messed up pidgin"
[18:37] <Kilos> if i booted and didnt open pidgin then all was fine and if i opened pidgin and there was no incoming all was fine
[18:38] <Kilos> first incoming on msn killed pidgin
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: that still doesn't mean much
[18:38] <Kilos> eish boet. i dunno what else to say
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: don't wipe your evidence next time
[18:39] <Kilos> it mighta been in somewhere else even deeper, im sorry i didnt save the results
[18:39] <Kilos> no i wont
[18:40] <Kilos> it wont be in cat or tail will it
[18:40] <Kilos> or only clam
[18:40] <inetpro> hmm.... the cat has no tail
[18:40] <Kilos> one was somewhere in wine as well
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: well you seem to be playing with fire :-)
[18:41] <Kilos> but i monly had wine to try a game months ago and it was too slow so forgot about it
[18:42] <Kilos> i dont go online with wine
[18:42] <Kilos> and i have ufw as well
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: msn has always been bad news
[18:43] <inetpro> then again I have not used it for a long time, perhaps they changed?
[18:43] <Kilos> i have no choice inetpro thats where my girls are
[18:43] <Kilos> and xmpp been sick for weeks now
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: that is just wrong
[18:44] <Kilos> what inetpro
[18:44] <Kilos> member i told you about xmpp cutting off every 2 mins or so
[18:45] <Kilos> i removed otr as well
[18:45] <Kilos> little bit better
[18:45] <Kilos> 5 mins now
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: not xmpp that has been sick, more likely your gmail account that has a few buggy connections to your buddies
[18:46] <Kilos> why would that be after over a year using it
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: rename your .purple folder and start a fresh profile
[18:46] <Kilos> even when they offline xmpp disconnects every now and again
[18:47] <Kilos> will completely removing pidgin not do that
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:48] <inetpro> unless you talk to it nicely
[18:49] <Kilos> lol i used synaptic and said completely remove all the pidgin packages
[18:49] <inetpro> then aagain you can't really talk to it, so just forget it and do it yourself
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: when you uninstall thunderbird after having used it for many years, do you want it to remove all your emails?
[18:50] <Kilos> lol i use evolution
[18:50] <Kilos> i was desparate
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: s/thunderbird/evolution/
[18:51] <Kilos> no pidgin no contact to that side
[18:51] <Kilos> i know what you are getting at
[18:51] <Kilos> i go look for .purple
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: mv ~/.purple ~/.purple.20111009
[18:52] <Kilos> ty
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: just make sure you have closed pidgin before doing that
[18:52] <Kilos> ok
[18:53] <Kilos> what does that do
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me
[18:53] <Kilos> oh renames it
[18:54] <Kilos> to 20111009
[18:54] <inetpro> no
[18:54] <Kilos> ok wait i go look for man mv
[18:54] <inetpro> it will just add ".20111009" to the name
[18:55] <inetpro> could be anything else really
[18:55] <Kilos> yes but then its .purple.20111009 not .purple
[18:55] <Kilos> right
[18:55] <inetpro> like mv ~/.purple ~/.purple.ThisIsMyBackupCopyOfABrokenPidginProfile
[18:56] <Kilos> so its basically same as a rename or not
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: yep mv is like rename
[18:56] <inetpro> short for move
[18:56] <Kilos> why would i want a backup of it anyway
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: a move and a rename are the same thing, if you think about it
[18:57] <Kilos> why not delete the whole thing
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: you might want to look at some details in your profile after the fact
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: because a broken backup is better than no backup at all
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: that ^^
[18:57] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <zeref> hmmmmm
[18:58] <zeref> hi guys
[18:58] <Kilos> i even installed an older version of pidgin
[18:58] <inetpro> zeref: good evenin
[18:58] <Kilos> hi zeref
[18:58] <superfly> evening zeref
[18:59] <inetpro> oh and hello superfly
[18:59] <Kilos> pidgin and xchat and evolution are my life blood
[18:59] <superfly> hiya inetpro :-)
[18:59] <zeref> Set the file start_tron.sh in the autostart of your system  << thats the same as start up application right??
[18:59] <zeref> *applications
[19:00] <superfly> zeref: it depends
[19:01] <inetpro> zeref: autostart gives me a shiver down me spine, makes me remember the bad old days of using windows
[19:01] <nlsthzn> autoexec.bat
[19:01] <zeref> :fear:
[19:01] <superfly> inetpro: not necessarily... do you start X manually, or does it autostart? ;-)
[19:01] <inetpro> superfly: true
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: I'm just not convinced that start_tron.sh is like X
[19:03] <superfly> inetpro: oh, absolutely... I'm just saying that autostart is not all bad
[19:03] <zeref> nope, homie of mine want me to test a conky themr
[19:03] <zeref> *theme
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: you gave up now?
[19:13] <Kilos> no just added accounts again
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, I was just wondering
[19:14] <Kilos> oh my
[19:14] <Kilos> it sick again
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: how many chat buddies do you have in gmail?
[19:15] <Kilos> 2
[19:16] <Kilos> and you wil other account
[19:16] <inetpro> only two? Are you sure?
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: set pidgin to show offline buddies as well
[19:16] <Kilos> yip it is
[19:17] <Kilos> yeah 2
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[19:17] <Kilos> i got 2 gmail acounts
[19:17] <Kilos> one has 2 0nly
[19:17] <Kilos> other one has 3 or 4
[19:18] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:18] <Kilos> only use one so its less data running
[19:18] <Kilos> got everything pruned to minimum
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: did you start with just default plugins?
[19:19] <Kilos> yip i got nothing extra added now
[19:20] <inetpro> now?
[19:20] <Kilos> since mv ing that .purple
[19:20] <inetpro> ok
[19:22] <Kilos> i will watch the xmpp connection and let you know
[19:25] <Kilos> luckily i got all cache rsynced to external
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: aptitude search '~S ~i pidgin'
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: that will list other pidgin packages that you installed
[19:25] <Kilos> with those '
[19:26] <inetpro> yep
[19:26] <Kilos> ok sec
[19:27] <Kilos> ok what about them
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: how many to start with?
[19:27] <Kilos> 2 i think
[19:27] <Kilos> now 5
[19:27] <Kilos> blinklight and guifications
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... just copy paste the packages in one line
[19:28] <Kilos> and themes and plugin pack
[19:28] <Kilos> to here?
[19:28] <inetpro> hang on, you already donw it I guess
[19:28] <inetpro> done*
[19:29] <Kilos> done what?
[19:29] <inetpro> try removing blinklight and guifications or at least make sure they are disabled in the plugins
[19:30] <Kilos> i dunno if xmpp sick anymore
[19:30] <Kilos> mustnt i first see that
[19:31] <Kilos> i havent enabled any plugins since installing pidgin again today
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: well it's always a process of elimination, check and see on a step by step basis
[19:32] <Kilos> at the moment there are only the default plugins
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: try it and see if it breaks
[19:32] <Kilos> everyone sleeping now
[19:32] <inetpro> ok
[19:32] <Kilos> can only see tomorrow if they get time
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <Kilos> hard living 9 hours behind
[19:33] <Kilos> ty inetpro i will watch
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: BTW that aptitude search term is handy to make a note of
[19:35] <Kilos> yes ty i save them all, all over the place and them battle to find them again
[19:36] <Kilos> hehe
[19:36] <inetpro> aptitude search '~S filter pattern' - elect packages for which a single version matches both filter and pattern
[19:36] <inetpro> oops
[19:36] <inetpro> aptitude search '~S filter pattern' - select packages for which a single version matches both filter and pattern
[19:36] <Kilos> filter and patterns?
[19:36] <inetpro> the ~i filter is for selecting only installed packages
[19:37] <inetpro> aptitude Search Term Reference http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
[19:39] <Kilos> ah i can wget that
[19:39] <Kilos> ty
[19:40]  * Kilos loves wget
[19:42] <zeref> meh
[19:43] <inetpro> zeref: you have connectivity problems?
[19:44] <zeref> nah, just trying out some conky themes
[19:44] <zeref> the screenshots look good, but they never look good on my pc
[19:44] <zeref> lol
[19:49] <Kilos> why
[19:51] <zeref> goog ques
[19:51] <zeref> *good question
[19:51] <nuvolari> awee
[19:52] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos
[19:52] <nuvolari> lo za, inetpro
[19:52] <nuvolari> er, zeref
[19:52] <nuvolari> i meant :P
[19:52] <Kilos> naand nuvolari lekker slaap
[19:52] <nuvolari> oi, is oom op pad bed toe?
[19:52] <Kilos> o naand hello
[19:52] <zeref> hi nuvolari
[19:52] <Kilos> amper
[19:52] <nuvolari> o
[19:52] <nuvolari> ai, ek hoop oom het 'n lekker dag gehad
[19:52] <Kilos> ek het gedink jy gaan slaap
[19:53] <inetpro> wb nuvolari
[19:53] <nuvolari> amper, net kom groet
[19:53] <Kilos> ja nie sleg nie dankie nuvolari
[19:53] <Kilos> en jy
[19:53] <nuvolari> ek kan nie kla nie dankie oom
[19:53] <Kilos> mooi
[19:54] <Kilos> net my duifie was siek vandag
[19:54]  * nuvolari gee sulke woeste gapings :P
[19:54] <nuvolari> :-/
[19:54] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <nuvolari> waai duifie oom?
[19:54] <Kilos> pidgin
[19:54] <Kilos> hehe
[19:54] <Kilos> maar5 lyk nou weer gesond
[19:54] <nuvolari> oo, ek dog oom se duifie in australie
[19:54] <nuvolari> ok, nee dis goed
[19:54] <Kilos> nee men
[19:55] <nuvolari> oom, wie ondersteun Tara as dit by rugby kom?
[19:55] <nuvolari> ek't nie lekker haar tweet vandag verstaan nie
[19:55] <Kilos> sa
[19:55] <Kilos> hulle altwee
[19:55] <nuvolari> ah!
[19:55] <nuvolari> cool :P ek't gedog sy's 'n aussie
[19:55] <Kilos> en natal
[19:55] <Kilos> nee tara haat hulle
[19:55] <nuvolari> :O doubleh-cool
[19:56] <nuvolari> *double
[19:56] <Kilos> se hulle is almal skelms
[19:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: last tweet by taralsofficial
[19:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: "@Marajax I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was fair. :P" 10 hours, 27 minutes and 15 seconds ago, http://twitter.com/TaraLSOfficial/statuses/122966857966813184
[19:56] <Kilos> she calls them criminal get
[19:56] <nuvolari> o wag, dis nie daai een nie
[19:57] <Kilos> ja sy hou nie van refs wat nie reguit loop nie
[19:57] <nuvolari> sy sing nie net mooi nie :D
[19:58]  * nuvolari het weer so paar keer na haar video gekyk
[19:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:58] <nuvolari> kry hoenervleis elke keer
[19:59] <Kilos> ek ook
[19:59] <Kilos> ons gsesls elke dag op pidgin
[19:59] <Kilos> gesels
[20:00] <Kilos> sy meer parmantig as haar pa
[20:00] <Kilos> ek was nie by om boude rooi te maak nie
[20:02] <Kilos> ok guys sleep tight. see ya all tomorrow
[20:05] <nuvolari> roflmao
[20:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell Kilos ag it's okay oom, otherwise she might have screamed her voice out and not sing as beautiful as she does now :P
[20:06] <Maaz> nuvolari: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[20:07] <nuvolari> ok, bedtime
[20:07]  * nuvolari maak soos mis en val in die pad
[20:13] <superfly> Nag mensies, ek gaan bed toe.


[01:50] <ap0c> When Kubuntu 14.10 comes out, will there be a way to easily upgrade 14.04 to 14.10 without completely reinstalling my root partition?
[02:11] <jasoncollege24> in kubuntu (currently running LiveCD) I have 2 monitors. 1 is DVI and the other is VGA, which goes to a VGA to HDMI converter to my TV. Display options doesn't have the native resolution, or other supported high resolutions. lspci | grep VGA output says "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV300 [Radeon x600]
[02:13] <jasoncollege24> i tried using xrandr to add the desired resolution, but when i applied it, the TV went to power saving (no signal) until i turned it back.
[03:44] <MichaelP> what package gives me control over the touchpad on laptop ?
[03:50] <ap0c> Michael, sudo apt get kde-touchpad
[03:50] <ap0c> sudo apt get install kde-touchpad *
[06:42] <MinimalLak> anyone know how to install vega strike in kubuntu without using wine?
[06:42] <MinimalLak> I downloaded all the files from sourceforge since the tutorial it gave me to do it through the konsole didn't work
[06:44] <MinimalLak> I ended up extracting all the files into their respective folders, went to the vegastrike data folder, found what I think was the script to install the thing, but when I looked at it through konsole using the ls -all command, it didnt show it as green
[06:44] <MinimalLak> or do I do that through the source code folder of its files?
[06:46] <valorie> MinimalLak: isn't there a readme somewhere?
[06:46] <MinimalLak> I think
[06:46] <MinimalLak> but when I looked through it
[06:46] <valorie> there should be, to give you instructions
[06:46] <MinimalLak> I couldnt find anything relavent to installing it through regular linux
[06:46] <valorie> also, you should be able to read the script in a text editor
[06:47] <MinimalLak> but then again, I was doing it at 2 am, and I was crashing fast
[06:47] <valorie> heh
[06:47] <MinimalLak> so I probably didnt look hard enough
[06:47] <MinimalLak> plus, I tried looking through the vegastrike wiki, but if I remember right, it led me back to the tutorial to install it through konsole
[06:47] <MinimalLak> so no help there
[06:48] <valorie> if you tried at 2am, it's always worth re-checking all your steps
[06:48] <valorie> skipping a vital step is rather common
[06:49] <MinimalLak> also, just as a side note, when I did install it through wine, it did work and boot up, but in vmware player, the cursor was stuck on the top of the screen and wouldnt scroll freely
[06:49] <MinimalLak> just left anf right
[06:49] <MinimalLak> no ups or downs
[06:49] <valorie> so why not run it in wine?
[06:49] <MinimalLak> eh, I wanna do it without wine, to challenge myself
[06:49] <MinimalLak> in a sense
[06:50] <valorie> that sounds like a big challenge
[06:50] <MinimalLak> yep
[06:50] <valorie> I'm thinking that #kubuntu isn't where you'll get help, though
[06:50] <MinimalLak> plus, after I failed installing it through konsole, and wine bugged the thing for me, I deleted all the files I downloaded
[06:50] <valorie> maybe #linux
[06:51] <MinimalLak> hmm
[06:52] <MinimalLak> and how would I open #linux in this chat, so I could switch back n forth between rooms?
[06:54] <MinimalLak> so unless I have to go through the source folder to install the files, how would I give a perl script the ability to run
[06:54] <MinimalLak> i.e make it show up in green font when using the ls -all command?
[06:54] <MinimalLak> maybe that would help
[06:54] <valorie> ah, you are in the webchat
[06:54] <valorie> not sure how you add a channel
[06:55] <MinimalLak> bing isnt helping
[06:55] <valorie> in konversation, I just click the channelname above, and it adds
[06:55] <MinimalLak> im using this room in windows btw, not through linux
[06:55] <valorie> well, mirc is free
[06:55] <valorie> that's what I used in windows
[06:56] <valorie> xchat is free
[06:56] <valorie> etc.
[06:56] <valorie> and I believe that konversation runs in windows as well
[06:56] <MinimalLak> ech, ill figure out the webchat thing later, thanks though
[06:56] <MinimalLak> now back oto the perl script thing
[06:56] <MinimalLak> how do I make one run when it doesnt have that kind of privelage
[06:57] <valorie> I don't know very much about scripting
[06:57] <valorie> or perl for that matter
[06:58] <valorie> like I said, #linux would suit you better here
[06:59] <MinimalLak> thanks for the help tho, imma leave now, starting to get totes tired
[07:00] <MinimalLak> goodbye
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:14] <ap0c> Waffl3x: Ever get it installed?
[11:07] <Waffl3x> ap0c: yo
[11:07] <Waffl3x> I just got up half an hour ago, havent tryed to install it again yet
[11:08] <Waffl3x> I just realised what I was doing wrong back there
[11:23] <ap0c> Waffl3x: hello
[11:23] <ap0c> I'm going to bed in like 40 minutes, reading a bit of this Python book before I crash
[11:24] <ap0c> just learned some git CLI basics earlier, reading the git book (its like 9 chapters on git)
[11:24] <ap0c> just started chapter 4 but I'm burning out on all the git CLI stuff, want to read some programming stuff now
[11:25] <ap0c> Waffl3x: so did you leave the live USB running?
[11:32] <lordievader> ap0c: Pro GIT?
[11:33] <ap0c> lordievader: yeah I'm reading it on git-scm.com
[11:34] <lordievader> It's a nice book :D
[11:35] <ap0c> indeed
[11:53] <Nexia> Hi again, as I said the last time, my VPN connection just won't work under Kubuntu. It's a PPTP connection. And was working so so okay, I think, until yesterday.
[11:59] <Waffl3x> ap0c: im playing videogames instead
[12:00] <Waffl3x> ap0c: im going to install it when I get home probably
[12:01] <ap0c> Waffl3x: just follow a good guide, do some quick googling if you need help - I'm going to bed in a few minutes
[12:02] <ap0c> the kubuntu documentation is great along with this channel
[12:02] <ap0c> you can also try #linux for help as well if you need it
[12:08] <Waffl3x> thanks
[12:42] <mokush> any idea if we can get the breeze-qt4 theme in 14.04?
[12:46] <nisha_> hiiiiiii rani...........
[12:48] <nisha_> hiiiii rani
[12:50] <root> good
[13:11] <Waffl3x> time for take 2
[13:11] <Waffl3x> who wants to help
[13:16] <Waffl3x> I cant find the official documentation
[13:16] <Waffl3x> time to google harder
[13:27] <Waffl3x> can anyone help me with partitioning my drives?
[13:27] <Waffl3x> Im not completely sure how to do it
[13:27] <lordievader> Waffl3x: What are you not sure about?
[13:28] <Waffl3x> first, how much to partition
[13:28] <Waffl3x> second, how to actually do it
[13:28] <Waffl3x> I have a better idea than yesterday
[13:28] <lordievader> How do you want it partitioned?
[13:28] <Waffl3x> the best way :D
[13:28] <Waffl3x> uhm
[13:28] <lordievader> By the by, if you don't know what to do, just use the automatic partitioning options within Ubiquity.
[13:29] <lordievader> There is no best way.
[13:29] <Waffl3x> I was told 2 ways if I remember correctly
[13:29] <Waffl3x> 100 gb for the whole thing
[13:29] <Waffl3x> or 3 partitions
[13:29] <Waffl3x> 25 gb
[13:29] <Waffl3x> another 25 for /home I think
[13:30] <Waffl3x> and some to swap
[13:30] <Waffl3x> how much should I put in swap? I think the one guy mentioned 110% of your ram
[13:31] <lordievader> Waffl3x: That amount is recommended if you plan to use hibernation. Else any amount you think necessary.
[13:31] <Waffl3x> I dont think I need any since I have 16 gb of ram
[13:31] <Waffl3x> am I being silly?
[13:32] <lordievader> Like I said, depends on if you plan to use hibernation.
[13:32] <lordievader> If you hibernate all the contents of your ram is written to disk.
[13:32] <Waffl3x> is that the same thing as windows hibernation?
[13:32] <Waffl3x> okay
[13:32] <Waffl3x> as I thought
[13:32] <Waffl3x> come to think of it
[13:33] <Waffl3x> I might do that
[13:33] <Waffl3x> so I might as well
[13:34] <lordievader> Or you could just use the standby option...
[13:34] <Waffl3x> I wanted to partition my second hard drive for linux programs, but I was told I didnt need to do that
[13:34] <Waffl3x> or I could just save everything and turn it off
[13:34] <Waffl3x> is swap only used for hibernation?
[13:35] <lordievader> Waffl3x: No it is also used for when the RAM is full.
[13:36] <lordievader> Else the Out Of Memory killer activates ;)
[13:36] <Waffl3x> so in your opinion, do you think its a good idea to partition some swap?
[13:36] <Waffl3x> it sounds to me like it might be
[13:37] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Some yes, 16Gb or more would seem like a waste.
[13:37] <Waffl3x> hmm
[13:37] <Waffl3x> 8 gb then I guess
[13:38] <lordievader> I usually keep it at max 5GB. But that's me.
[13:38] <Waffl3x> okay so
[13:38] <Waffl3x> how do I do this
[13:39] <Waffl3x> I click the current partition
[13:39] <Waffl3x> click change
[13:39] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Boot up using a live-cd. And select the manual partitioner.
[13:39] <Waffl3x> im there
[13:40] <Waffl3x> and for the size
[13:40] <Waffl3x> I do the current size
[13:40] <Waffl3x> minus the size I want the new partition to be
[13:40] <Waffl3x> right?
[13:40] <lordievader> I'm not sure at what stage you are now. Do you just see an empty disk?
[13:41] <Waffl3x> im here
[13:41] <lordievader> Where is here?
[13:41] <Waffl3x> was going to post a link
[13:41] <Waffl3x> im at disk setup
[13:41] <Waffl3x> right after you select manual
[13:42] <Waffl3x> on the next page
[13:42] <Waffl3x> so I see my partitions
[13:43] <Waffl3x> do you understand where I am?
[13:44] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Yes, but if you could post a screenshot that would help ;)
[13:44] <Waffl3x> I cant :/
[13:45] <lordievader> Hmm, allright. Do you have pre-existing partitions that you would like to keep?
[13:45] <Waffl3x> yes
[13:46] <Waffl3x> I want to keep the partitions on both harddrives
[13:46] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Have you backed-up your important data?
[13:47] <Waffl3x> there is no irreplaceable data
[13:47] <lordievader> I'll take that as a yes.
[13:47] <Waffl3x> except on the second harddrive, but we arnt touching that correct?
[13:48] <lordievader> Then resize the existing partitions to make space for the new ones.
[13:48] <Waffl3x> just to confirm
[13:48] <Waffl3x> it probably wont delete any data right?
[13:49] <Waffl3x> I would just be unhappy if I had to reinstall windows
[13:49] <Waffl3x> like I was saying before, how do I do this?
[13:50] <Waffl3x> I click change, and put in how much the partition is minus 25 gb right?
[13:50] <lordievader> It should not, but these kinds of operations are not risk free, hence you should allways make a backup before you start the procedure.
[13:51] <Waffl3x> good enough for me
[13:51] <Waffl3x> so same question
[13:52] <Waffl3x> hit change, put in the partition minus 25 gb right?
[13:52] <lordievader> Waffl3x: If 25Gb is all you need, yes.
[13:53] <Waffl3x> I was told to do 25 gb's
[13:53] <Waffl3x> for 1 partition
[13:53] <Waffl3x> what do you think?
[13:54] <lordievader> Waffl3x: I don't know your requirements.
[13:54] <Waffl3x> also, I get a message, "write previous changes to disk and continue?" "before you can select a new partition size, any previous changes have to be written to disk." "you cannot undo this operation"
[13:54] <Waffl3x> lordievader: im going to be using linux for programming, and just trying it out in general
[13:54] <Waffl3x> most of my stuff is going to stay on the windows side
[13:54] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Personally, for a desktop I'd say you want more than 25 Gb.
[13:54] <Waffl3x> stuff = work
[13:55] <Waffl3x> I have 200 gb of free space
[13:55] <Waffl3x> on the 1 harddrive
[13:55] <Waffl3x> I was told to do 25 - 0 for /
[13:55] <Waffl3x> and something else for /home
[13:56] <Waffl3x> and tell me about this message I described word for word
[13:56] <Waffl3x> what does it mean
[13:56] <Waffl3x> sorry for going a mile a minute
[13:56] <lordievader> Waffl3x: So you want to resize the existing partition with more than 25Gb.
[13:56] <lordievader> Waffl3x: How much will your entire Linux install consume?
[13:57] <Waffl3x> im not sure
[13:57] <Waffl3x> I was told by someone else to just partition 100 gb and put everything in that
[13:57] <lordievader> How large do you want /?
[13:58] <Waffl3x> like I said, just going to be using it for programming
[13:58] <Waffl3x> not really much else
[13:58] <Waffl3x> I dont even know why im getting it, aperantly its 10 times better for programming
[13:58] <Waffl3x> so I need very minimal space
[13:58] <hateball> heh
[13:58] <hateball> I've got 20GB assigned to /, rest to /home
[13:59] <lordievader> Let's go with 20Gb indeed. Waffl3x how large do you want /home (your personal files)?
[13:59] <Waffl3x> will all the program stuff go there?
[14:00] <Waffl3x> or can I put programs in another harddrive
[14:01] <lordievader> Waffl3x: The system programs go to /. The programs you write yourself likely will go to /home/<somewhere>
[14:01] <Waffl3x> could
[14:01] <hateball> And since this is not $some_other_os, whatever IDE you pick won't take up 20GB all by itself
[14:02] <Waffl3x> wait what?
[14:02] <hateball> Anyhow, partitions can always be resized later on if needed
[14:02] <Waffl3x> I guess ill make home 50 gb
[14:03] <Waffl3x> and to keep things clean swap can be 5 gb's
[14:03] <Waffl3x> now tell me about the message I talked about before
[14:03] <Waffl3x> "write previous changes to disk and continue?" "before you can select a new partition size, any previous changes have to be written to disk." "you cannot undo this operation"
[14:04] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Cancel your current changes and resize the current partitions to make way for 75Gb of free space.
[14:05] <Waffl3x> I haven't made any changes yet
[14:05] <lordievader> Unapplied changes...
[14:06] <Waffl3x> no I literally made no changes yet
[14:06] <Waffl3x> if I try to make changes I get that message
[14:06] <Waffl3x> so I didnt do anything
[14:07] <lordievader> That message comes from unapplied changes...
[14:07] <Waffl3x> ok I resized
[14:07] <Waffl3x> but I got the message again
[14:07] <Waffl3x> should I just continue or is it actually something important
[14:07] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Depends on what is triggering it...
[14:08] <Waffl3x> when I click change
[14:08] <Waffl3x> I change the size to 425104 mb
[14:08] <Waffl3x> from 500104 mb
[14:08] <lordievader> ?
[14:08] <Waffl3x> (500104 mb - 75000 mb)
[14:08] <Waffl3x> is that not how im supposed to do it?
[14:09] <lordievader> Nevermind... Missed a 0...
[14:09] <Waffl3x> so im fine then? click continue?
[14:10] <lordievader> Suppose so, you've made a backup ;)
[14:14] <Waffl3x> seems it worked
[14:15] <Waffl3x> walk me through this
[14:15] <Waffl3x> theres a lot of things I dont understand here
[14:15] <Waffl3x> use as ext4 right?
[14:15] <Waffl3x> location should be beginning or end
[14:15] <Waffl3x> primary or logical partition
[14:16] <Waffl3x> mount point is / for the 20 gb partition right?
[14:16] <WereCatf> How do I disable something called powerdevil? I'm getting totally insane memoryleak in kded4 (~10GB RAM usage!) and a Google-search appears to say it's due to powerdevil
[14:17] <lordievader> Waffl3x: For the first partition (/) use ext4, leave start and stop point as is, change size to 20Gb. And set the mount point to /
[14:18] <lordievader> Waffl3x: For /home, also use ext4, change to size to 50Gb and set the mountpoint to /home
[14:18] <lordievader> Waffl3x: For swap set the type to swap and the size to whatever is left.
[14:18] <Waffl3x> leave start and stop point as is?
[14:20] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Yes, let ubiquity figure that out.
[14:21] <Waffl3x> lordievader: theres nothing on here about that though, im just curious as the why you mentioned it
[14:22] <lordievader> Waffl3x: It's partly from what I remember. Might've been gparted though.
[14:22] <Waffl3x> well thats all done
[14:22] <Waffl3x> anything else I need to change?
[14:22] <Waffl3x> boot loader?
[14:22] <Waffl3x> nothing?
[14:22] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Continue the installation.
[14:23] <Waffl3x> do I want to format swap area?
[14:23] <Waffl3x> it didnt automatically check format for swap
[14:24] <Waffl3x> normally I would assume no since it didnt automatically check it
[14:24] <Waffl3x> but since you're here I might as well ask just in case :D
[14:24] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Formatting swap is not possible.
[14:24] <Waffl3x> I wouldnt know that so :D
[14:28] <Waffl3x> thanks for the help lordievader
[14:28] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[14:29] <Waffl3x> mind telling me why people were twisting my arm to get this for programming?
[14:29] <Waffl3x> besides the fact that it looks a lot better than windows
[14:29] <lordievader> Lots of it depends on personal preference.
[14:31] <Waffl3x> yeah I get that
[14:31] <Waffl3x> but why do so many people have it as personal preference
[14:31] <Waffl3x> is it just easier layout wise to program on
[14:31] <Waffl3x> or is there software advantages aswell
[14:32] <lordievader> Waffl3x: It's flexible I suppose.
[14:33] <Waffl3x> theres so much I want to learn about computers
[14:33] <Waffl3x> I hope this is a good step to learning it
[14:34] <Waffl3x> maybe I should have just fired up the old commodore 64
[14:34] <Waffl3x> xD
[14:35] <Waffl3x> ive heard so many new words with linux though, it confuses me
[14:35] <Waffl3x> when I was younger I thought linux was the operating system
[14:35] <Waffl3x> and then theres things like debian that I dont know what they are
[14:36] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Linux is an operating system, but when you get down to it. It is merely the core of it.
[14:36] <Waffl3x> so there is a linux?
[14:36] <Waffl3x> oh
[14:36] <Waffl3x> so what is kubuntu and ubuntu?
[14:36] <Waffl3x> extentions to linux?
[14:37] <Riddell> we're the people who ship linux and all the other bits to make it run
[14:37] <lordievader> Waffl3x: Let's move this over to #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:37] <Waffl3x> kk
[14:56] <WereCatf> Anyone familiar with kded4 leaking memory like a sieve?
[14:56] <adnan19> hi ... is anyone find solution for KDE Kickoff bugg with "switch tabs on hover" option always reset itself?? i disable it and after some times  or after next login it turns on  how to force KDE to remember kickoff settings?
[14:58] <adnan19>  in Linux config files ar all about,,right?? so wich conf. file manage  this menu ??
[15:01] <adnan19>  hi ... is anyone find solution for KDE Kickoff bugg with "switch tabs on hover" option always reset itself?? i disable it and after some times  or after next login it turns on  how to force KDE to remember kickoff settings? and in Linux config files ar all about,,so wich conf. file is for this this menu ??
[15:02] <adnan19> ??
[15:02] <WereCatf> I have no idea where Kickoff stores its settings
[15:04] <adnan19> any idea?? where i shold search?
[15:07] <adnan19> >is it somewhere in ~/.kde/ ??
[15:14] <adnan19> hi ... is anyone find solution for KDE Kickoff bugg with "switch tabs on hover" option always reset itself?? i disable it and after some times  or after next login it turns on  how to force KDE to remember kickoff settings? and in Linux config files ar all about,,so wich conf. file is for this this menu ??
[15:18] <adnan19> aloo is there any KDE geek/pro active??
[15:19] <adnan19> haloo is there any KDE geek/pro active??
[15:35] <jasoncollege24> if you're not using a remote SSH session, what is the risk of logging into a terminal session using sudo bash?
[15:35] <lordievader> jasoncollege24: The risk is that you are having a root shell.
[15:36] <genii> The usual way is sudo -i
[15:36] <jasoncollege24> i dn't understand the risk of using the root shell
[15:36] <lordievader> Linux assumes you know what you are doing, if you want to remove something very import as root no questions are asked.
[15:37] <lordievader> Nowadays you are warned by rm that 'rm -rf /' is a bad idea. In the past it would just wipe everything, no questions asked...
[15:37] <jasoncollege24> which means the OS could get stuffed up by removing something you need as a root user
[15:38] <genii> Up to and including everything, yes.
[15:38] <jasoncollege24> and only a non-root shell warns you about such mistaks?
[15:38] <lordievader> No, a non-root user doesn't have the right to do those kind of things.
[15:39] <jasoncollege24> ok i think i get it... it's kinda like the modern windows platforms that prevent the non-admins from removing, or altering critical files.
[15:40] <lordievader> jasoncollege24: Exactly. So don't run things as root if they don't require it.
[15:40] <jasoncollege24> most of what I do seems to require it lol
[15:42] <jasoncollege24> oh and apparently the problem I was having before with the computer crashing, freezing, HDD issues was actually the system possibly being incompatible with linux... is that actually possible on a PC?
[16:41] <Guest5652> hi folks   test 1 2
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:37] <Marasgeon> greetings everyone
[18:37] <Marasgeon> How can I have audio and video preview in dolphin using KDE 4.13.3?
[18:39] <soee> Marasgeon: define previewm you want thumbnail or want to play it in dolphin panel ?
[18:39] <Marasgeon> well both if possible
[18:40] <Marasgeon> soee: is there a way to have both?
[18:41] <soee> well for me it just works
[18:41] <Marasgeon> soee: How you managed to do it?
[18:43] <soee> check if you have installed package ffmpegthumbs ot kffmpegthumbnailer
[18:43] <Marasgeon> soee: can I find them from the package manager?
[18:44] <soee> i think you should be able
[18:44] <Marasgeon> so you have sound thumbs and player in KDE 4.13?
[18:45] <soee> im on 4.14.2 / Utopic
[18:45] <soee> and yes i have both video and music playback in right panel
[18:46] <Marasgeon> right ok, so just these 2 packages and I'm allright?
[18:47] <soee> Marasgeon: im not sure
[18:48] <Marasgeon> soee: ok thanks, I'll try
[19:03] <Guest2468> after downloaded the 1G 14.04 ISO Kubuntu ISO i thought i'm ready for installation but the installation itself downloads tons of gigs more for hours, WTF, I canceled it. any help ?
[19:07] <lordievader> Guest2468: From where did you download it?
[19:08] <Guest2468> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu then followed the UK mirror
[19:09] <lordievader> Guest2468: Ok, did you select that it needed to fetch updates?
[19:10] <Guest2468> lordievader : you mean in the installation dialog ?
[19:10] <lordievader> Guest2468: Yes, somewhere on the first pages.
[19:14] <Guest2468> lordievader : didn't see any such option
[19:16] <lordievader> Guest2468: Hmm, that might explain what you are seeing though.
[19:18] <Guest2468> lordievader : I launched the iso from daemontools from windows 8 , it shows a dialog only with the following fields : installation drive, installation size , desktop env, user, password, lang. and that's it , then next step it starts to downloads tons of stuff
[19:22] <BluesKaj> from daemon tools in winmdows
[19:22] <BluesKaj> that's no way to install an OS
[19:22] <BluesKaj> Guest2468,
[19:23] <lordievader> Guest2468: Please don't do that. You are installing it through Wubi.  It is better to make a live-usb and install Kubuntu properly.
[19:24] <Guest2468> lordievader : thanks for the tip, will try
[19:36] <blubberbop> So on Kubuntu 14.04, using chrome-stable (Version 38.0.2125.101 (64-bit)) has become a nightmare, it crashes about every 5 minutes.. The inspector has become completely useless, it simply crashes upon opening.. Website tabs may crash for various reasons, like scrolling down.. Then the entire chrome browser might crash all together also for about any reason at all multiple times per day.. Any reason as to why this might happen?
[19:37] <lordievader> blubberbop: Try chromium ;)
[19:38] <blubberbop> lordievader: Not really the answer I was looking for, but while on the subject, what are the (technical) differences? I know chromium is open source, but can it do the same advanced things? Can I sync all my browser settings and history with chromium as well like I do with chrome right now, etc?
[19:39] <lordievader> blubberbop: It is very alike. Google adds a few closed source things, can't remember what they where. The internet knows that though ;)
[19:39] <patricia_> hallo, kann ich hier hilfe erhalten über kubuntu 14.04 ??
[19:39] <lordievader> !de| patricia_
[19:40] <patricia_> danke
[21:33] <kaddi> hi guys, since the last few days my wifi has gotten very slow and unreliable. No data is transfered even though it claims to be connected.  I'm using 14.04 and this seems to be happening since the last update I did (but I wasn't paying close attention to what was being updated unfortunately)
[21:34] <kaddi> it only happens in kubuntu, when I use windows (dualboot) on the same machine things are fine and noone else on my wifi seems affected
[22:50] <ap0c> sup


[00:00] <sergiodj> vorlon: not sure, but I'd assume so
[03:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-github-go-sourcemap-sourcemap [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [2.1.3+git20201028.eed1c20-3] (no packageset)
[08:41] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, can we please hint node-millstone regressed in release?
[08:41] <LocutusOfBorg>      Uncaught Error: Unable to download 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Cup_of_coffee.svg' for 'style.mss' (server returned 429)
[08:41] <LocutusOfBorg> its a meh :D
[08:42] <LocutusOfBorg> and yes, I would like a cup of coffee too :D
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xtables-addons (focal-proposed/universe) [3.9-1ubuntu0.2~20.04.2 => 3.9-1ubuntu0.2~20.04.3] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[10:28] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: would you file a bug for node-millstone in debian please?
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, <BTS> Opened #990857 (serious) in src:node-millstone 0.6.19-4 by Gianfranco Costamagna (locutusofborg) «node-millstone: autopkgtest failure». https://bugs.debian.org/990857
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (hirsute-backports/universe) [238-1 => 248-1~ubuntu21.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (hirsute-backports) [248-1~ubuntu21.04.1]
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (focal-backports/universe) [238-1~ubuntu20.04.1 => 248-1~ubuntu20.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (groovy-backports/universe) [238-1~ubuntu20.10.1 => 248-1~ubuntu20.10.1] (no packageset)
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (focal-backports) [248-1~ubuntu20.04.1]
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (groovy-backports) [248-1~ubuntu20.10.1]
[15:53] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: ta!
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: u-boot (focal-proposed/main) [2020.10+dfsg-1ubuntu0~20.04.2 => 2021.01+dfsg-3ubuntu0~20.04.1] (core)
[17:46] <sergiodj> OOC why are the amd64 builds taking so long to start?
[18:09] <RikMills> sergiodj: many private PPA jobs runing and probably queued. they outscore most other things on builder priority
[19:12] <sergiodj> RikMills: ack, thanks!
[19:35] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: node-millstone> done