[07:07] <poolie> ok good night
[07:07] <nigelb> g'nite poolie :)
[07:08] <nigelb> drat, its already pub time for you :P
[07:20] <jam> morning all
[07:59] <mgz> morning all
[10:00] <mgz> jelmer_: your recipe-status page wants a new column :)
[10:00] <jelmer_> mgz: it should automatically add one once there is a build for precise
[10:00]  * jelmer_ reruns the script
[10:04] <mgz> cool. while I'm bugging you jelmer_, are there user instructions for getting started with colocated branches in core anywhere?
[10:05] <jelmer_> mgz: not really. do you mean bzr-colo or the colocated branch support that's in the core?
[10:07] <mgz> I mean in core, as I think with the devel format support landing it should be somewhat possible to use now?
[10:08] <jelmer_> mgz: yep
[10:09] <jelmer_> basically, use --development-colo to create a directory and then use the ,branch=name syntax to specify a specific branch
[10:10] <mgz> thanks, I will play around.
[10:24] <cjwatson> hmm.  maybe I should just prepare this dpkg upload outside UDD; pretty awkward to work on getting the import fixed while the importer is stopped, I guess
[10:24] <cjwatson> oh, here, lp:debian/dpkg is up to date now
[10:27] <cjwatson> woo.  massive pile of conflicts, but unblocked.
[10:37] <mgz> do we know what the signal is to restart the importer? james_w said last night we should wait for the branch import which takes ~18 hours
[10:44] <CaMason_> Hi guys. How can I 'merge' / squash 2 commits into one?
[10:46] <mgz> CaMason_: if they're ones you just did and haven't pushed anywhere, just use uncommit twice then commit
[10:47] <CaMason_> thing is, these 2 commits are behind another commit
[10:48] <CaMason_> I want to squash 318..319 together, and I'm at 320
[10:48] <LeoNerd> You cna't without "rewriting history"
[10:48] <LeoNerd> Rewriting history is bad and evil and upsets anyone who's checked out / branched / etc... since the rewrite.
[10:48] <mgz> one option, there, again provided you've not pushed anywhere public,
[10:49] <CaMason_> nobody has - this is a local branch
[10:49] <LeoNerd> But if you want, you could e.g. checkout -r318; merge -r320; replay the rest.
[10:49] <mgz> is uncommit, shelve, uncommit, uncommit, commit, unshelve, commit
[10:49] <mgz> or what LeoNerd said is less accident prone
[10:49] <CaMason_> mgz, ah yes, that would work!
[10:49] <LeoNerd> Oh, a shelve stack. Another possible
[10:50] <mgz> I do tend to get myself into trouble on occasion when I'm juggling too many shelves and uncommits in one branch
[10:51] <mgz> making a new branch from the oldest point and cherrypicking revisions across is less destructive
[10:52] <CaMason_> I tried a cherrypick with `bzr merge -r 318..319` but it carried across the revisions
[10:54] <mgz> `bzr revert --forget-merges` will always let you lose the explicit merge info
[10:54] <CaMason_> oops wrong button
[10:54] <CaMason_> ok thanks. The shelve-stack worked. I'll remember the other suggestions though
[10:55] <mgz> cool!
[10:57] <CaMason_> also, I was testing these merges in a seperate branch. In git, I'd now do a ff-merge. Would `bzr pull` be about the same?
[10:59] <mgz> you may want --overwrite
[10:59] <mgz> but otherwise yes.
[10:59] <CaMason_> good stuff. Thanks
[10:59] <CaMason_> btw, would a shared repository make it quicker to create new branches?
[11:01] <spiv> CaMason_: yes
[11:02] <spiv> (a shared repo by itself doesn't avoid the cost of building the working tree every time, but it does save copying the history)
[11:10] <quicksilver> I was about to ask you if there was a command to do something like 'bzr ls'
[11:10] <quicksilver> it turns out there is
[11:10] <quicksilver> it's called 'bzr ls'
[11:10] <quicksilver> TIAS++
[11:22] <jelmer_> :)
[11:34] <james_w> mgz, it's on the release team's checklist for opening a new series, so we'll get a ping
[11:34] <james_w> mgz, you could ask a l-osa whether the branch-distro is finished yet, and start it if it is
[11:41] <mgz> james_w: great, thanks
[13:43] <mgz> so, apparently the branch-distro script failed, which blocks restarting the importer.
[13:44] <mgz> there's a log on carob with more information, but I'm not sure how to get there from chinstrap to look.
[13:45] <mgz> as am not allowed agent forwarding, and trying to follow the instructions on the wiki for the alternative setup just fork-bombs myself with ssh processes
[13:45] <mgz> so clearly someone more competent will have to handle this.
[13:46] <mgz> that might mean Monday.
[14:05] <fullermd> I doubt it.  Nobody's competent on monday...
[14:09] <mgz> :)
[16:19] <fullermd> jelmer_: Is that .THIS file supposed to be there?
[16:19] <jelmer_> fullermd: which one?
[16:19] <fullermd> added: bzrlib/tests/per_repository/test_fileid_involved.py.THIS test_file_involved.py
[16:19] <fullermd> +-20051215205901-728a172d1014daaa
[16:20] <jelmer_> fullermd: where is that?
[16:20] <fullermd> Is that commit you just put through PQM.
[16:20] <fullermd> s/Is/In/
[16:20]  * fullermd khan tipe.
[16:21] <jelmer_> fullermd: that's indeed not supposed to be there, thanks.
[16:22] <fullermd> PQM mailing again ++.  Makes it so much easier for me to pick people to harass in passing   8-}
[20:13] <cr3> hi folks, bzr seems to ignore buildout-templates/bin/lint.in because I have "bin" in my .bzrignore file. aren't bzrignore patterns supposed to be absolute?
[20:14] <cr3> maybe I'm supposed to use ./bin instead of just bin
[20:15] <wgz> for the bin in the root of your project only, yes
[20:15] <cr3> wgz: I now see this is actually well documented, my mistake :)
[20:16] <cr3> wgz: I guess I'll prepend './' to every pattern that's just in the root, just to be extra explicit
[21:37] <Noldorin_> hi jelmer_
[21:37] <jelmer_> hi Noldorin_
[21:38] <Noldorin_> how's it going?
[21:43] <jelmer_> Noldorin_: alright, how are you?
[21:44] <Noldorin_> jelmer_, not too bad. just very busy i'm afraid, with my own job(s) now
[21:44] <Noldorin_> jelmer_, so no time to really look into the bzr-git issue, sorry. unless i get really lucky over the next week or so, you will probably beat me to it ;-)
[22:14] <wrv> hi
[22:34] <jelmer_> hi wrv
[22:50] <elmo> does anyone know any simple-ish plugins using pre-commit hooks off the top of their heads?
[22:54] <jelmer_> elmo: I think james_w had a plugin that tried to run a testsuite in pre_commit, let me see if I can find it..
[22:54] <elmo> jelmer_: actually don't worry, I'm being an idiot - a hook, won't do what I want
[22:54] <james_w> https://launchpad.net/bzr-testrunner
[22:54] <elmo> jelmer_: thanks though


[03:48] <TSquar3d> Hi! I have been having trouble with my internet connection on Ubuntu 10.10 on my MacBook...
[03:48] <TSquar3d> It was working fine until I tried to update the iSight firmware...
[03:49] <TSquar3d> And now it detects the network both ethernet and wifi, but it will not connect.
[03:49] <TSquar3d> Any ideas?
[04:02] <elky> TSquar3d, You should probably ask in #ubuntu but while you make your way there try checking the firmware didn't disable the other things in the bios.
[16:06] <Pici> jpds: When you have a moment, could you look into seeing why ubot2 isn't doing packageinfo requests in #ubuntu-bugs ?
[16:07] <Pici> plugins.PackageInfo.enabled is True for #ubuntu-bugs, but its just being silent.
[16:11] <jpds> Works in /msg.
[16:12] <Pici> Yes, I know.
[16:16] <jpds> OK, no idea.
[16:19] <jpds> Nothing suspicous in the config either.
[16:28] <MH0> Has the bot automaticly ignores #ubuntu-bugs?
[16:30] <jpds> It's replying to normal factoids though.
[16:30] <Pici> Its displaying the same behavior in -community-team.
[16:31] <MH0> jpds: @reload PackageInfo  maybe?
[16:31] <jpds> Done.
[16:31] <MH0> Now test?
[16:39] <m4v> jpds: check if it has channel ignores or is lobotomized (factoids might ignore those)
[16:44]  * vish always thought that the bots were lobotomised zombies ;)
[17:20] <m4v> vish: mostly, but we leave them with enough grey matter for recognize triggers and react to them.
[17:23] <vish> hrmm.. seems a bit fishy!
[17:23]  * vish considers grabbing a tin-foil hat, just to be on the safe side .. :D


[00:04] <dmz1> Hi
[00:25] <sairasananas> Help
[00:25] <sairasananas> i get error when i try to view my folder :(
[00:32] <sairasananas> i cant view my Home ;(
[01:52] <avuton> Help. Just installed 11.04, when I brought it up it works fine. After a few power ons I lost window decorations. OK, so I nuke my entire /home directory and start from scratch thinking something's poisoning it. Fixed the problem. A few power ons and it begins happening again. No window decorations. Saw an old post that recommended starting metacity in this case, how can I fix this or even temporarily fix this?
[02:08] <Unit193> Woah....
[02:11] <preecher>  a for effort anyhows
[02:16] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: you around? may want to forward to ##fix_your_connection
[02:17] <Unit193> bazhang doesn't do that?
[02:17] <IdleOne> bazhang: can if he is active
[02:19] <rww> elky: that guy ^
[02:20] <elky> hrm...
[02:20] <rww> missed a ~
[02:21] <rww> though I'd do +b q_a_z_steve*!*@*$##fix_your_connection myself
[02:21] <elky> rww, yeah, on netbook
[02:23] <rww> heh, I guess #xubuntu was it. They're not flooding out elsewhere any moe.
[03:10] <avuton> Help. Just installed 11.04, when I brought it up it works fine. After a few power ons I lost window decorations. OK, so I nuke my entire /home directory and start from scratch thinking something's poisoning it. Fixed the problem. A few power ons and it begins happening again. No window decorations. Saw an old post that recommended starting metacity in this case, how can I fix this or even temporarily fix this?
[03:27] <charlie-tca> sorry, gone away for while to do some work here
[03:27] <charlie-tca> elky: thanks for taking care of that
[03:29] <Unit193> Welcome back charlie-tca
[06:44] <eut> xubuntu 11.04 doesn't come with grub2?
[06:45] <bazhang> eut, sure it does
[06:46] <eut> grub --version prints 0.97 for me, is that right?
[06:46] <bazhang> you upgraded from an earlier version and kept legacy grub?
[06:47] <bazhang> don't even think thats possible
[06:47] <eut> what is your grub version?
[06:48] <bazhang> 0.97-29ubuntu61 (natty
[06:48] <bazhang> bizarro
[06:51] <eut> o0
[06:51] <bazhang> thought for sure it was 1.98
[06:51] <eut> if i try to install grub2 it conflicts with stuff
[06:52] <bazhang> Version 1.99~rc1-13ubuntu3 (natty)  is what I have
[06:53] <eut> how did you determine that?
[06:53] <bazhang> by /msg ubottu info grub2
[06:54] <eut> i mean, how did you determine what package version you have on your system?
[06:56] <bazhang> by the above command
[06:57] <eut> how does some irc bot know what packages i have installed?
[06:58] <bazhang> well I keep all the very latest, thats how I know, check you r package manager
[07:02] <Unit193> eut: apt-cache policy grub2
[07:02] <eut> thanks
[07:02] <eut> it shows "Installed: (none)"
[07:03] <eut> for grub, it shows "Installed: 0.96-29ubuntu61"
[07:36] <rww> grub-pc is the usual package for grub2, not grub2.
[09:18] <dcorking> I use the xubuntu-desktop meta package in regular Ubuntu, and I got trouble upgrading from maverick to natty - would bugs be expected in that upgrade path?
[09:19] <Sysi> dcorking: if you have two -desktop metapackages installed, you will have problems, removing metapackage helps
[09:19] <Sysi> version upgrades can cause problems anyway
[09:20] <dcorking> oh - ok - I guess I will have to figure out how to remove the meta package without removing all its requires and recommends (or the alternative, just remove it, then add it back in after a successful upgrade)
[09:21] <dcorking> this is my third upgrade since I started using xubuntu-desktop - but the first time I got trouble!
[09:21] <dcorking> :)
[09:24] <dcorking> I will remove the meta-package and see how it goes, but in the meantime, would the devs be interested in a bug report with a copy of apt.log ?
[09:25] <Sysi> already known issue
[09:26] <dcorking> ok good - is it in launchpad?
[10:29] <dirtycookie> hi
[10:29] <ochosi> !hi
[10:30] <dirtycookie> i have an asus eeePC and want to install xubuntu from an usbstick
[10:30] <dirtycookie> now im in the boot menu from xubuntu and when i choose "install xubuntu on a harddisk" i get back to the bootmenu
[10:32] <ochosi> dirtycookie: try "don't install and test xubuntu" or however it's called
[10:32] <ochosi> you can then still install the system
[10:33] <dirtycookie> u mean i choose run xubuntu?
[10:33] <dirtycookie> well...
[10:34] <dirtycookie> if i choose Run Xubuntu
[10:34] <dirtycookie> i get back to the menu
[10:34] <ochosi> right
[10:34] <ochosi> so either way you get back to the menu?
[10:35] <dirtycookie> with the "automatic boot in x seconds"
[10:35] <dirtycookie> yes
[10:35] <ochosi> hmm, have you tried the alternate installer?
[10:35] <dirtycookie> i should but that is something id like to let you guys know
[10:35] <ochosi> you could download the alternate image, it's a non-graphic install-wizard, imo it's not really more complicated than the live-install
[10:35] <ochosi> k, thanks
[10:36] <ochosi> well, if you're sure it's a bug it would be best to submit it in launchpad
[10:36] <ochosi> !bugs
[10:59] <tomekh> is there any fix/hack for long first-start of Thunar?
[11:01] <ochosi> tomekh: unfortunately not atm, afaik it's connected to the network-awareness of thunar (at first start it checks network-stuff with gio/gvfs)
[12:55] <dirtycookie> hi guys i need help with installing xubuntu on my eeePC
[12:55] <dirtycookie> can someone help
[12:55] <Arachon> dirtycookie: What's the matter?
[12:56] <hurp> i have only one issue> no distro can mount mz external 1.5tb wd hdd
[12:57] <hurp> i|ve looked the problem up and a lot of people have it, but thez all tell me to reformate it, but i can|t temporalz save the data anywhere
[12:57] <dirtycookie> Arachon: i have xubuntu on a usb stick and reachted the boot menu where i can choose "Install Xubuntu on a Hard Disk"
[12:58] <dirtycookie> when i hit enter
[12:58] <TheSheep> hurp: how did you get the data on it if you can't mount it?
[12:58] <dirtycookie> i get back to the menu
[12:58] <hurp> win recogniyes it fine
[12:58] <Arachon> dirtycookie: What happens if you select "try without installing", then double-clicking the "install" icon?
[12:58] <hurp> i can also mount it in anz windows enviroment, just not in linux
[12:59] <TheSheep> hurp: are you suing a german keyboard layout? %)
[12:59] <TheSheep> using*
[13:00] <hurp> i have downlaoded the false iso xD
[13:00] <hurp> but i don|t care, english is fine only the kezs are annoying
[13:00] <dirtycookie> Arachon: i get back to the menu with an "Automatic Boot in X seconds"
[13:00] <Arachon> Strange...
[13:00] <TheSheep> hurp: you can change the keyboard layout in the keyboard settings
[13:01] <Arachon> dirtycookie: Are you sure the entire image was applied to the USB?
[13:01] <Arachon> dirtycookie: like the ISO isn't damaged or something
[13:02] <dirtycookie> i used the usb installer recommended from ubuntu and the image passed the md5 checksum
[13:03] <Arachon> Hm
[13:05] <dirtycookie> kinda wierd :/
[13:07] <Arachon> Yeah I'm afraid I can't really figure out what's wrong :c
[13:07] <dirtycookie> k ill try the normal xubuntu version
[13:10] <Arachon> I'm unable to install an icon theme, I've downlaoded the theme and placed it in /usr/share/icons... What's wrong?
[13:10] <TheSheep> Arachon: did you unpack it?
[13:10] <Arachon> Yup
[13:11] <TheSheep> Arachon: is there a file index.theme
[13:11] <Arachon> TheSheep: hang on
[13:12] <Arachon> TheSheep: yup
[13:19] <TheSheep> Arachon: what's the exact path of that file?
[13:19] <Arachon> /usr/share/icons/<icontheme>/index.theme
[13:19] <TheSheep> that's correct
[13:20] <TheSheep> you can try running: sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/<icontheme>/
[13:20] <Arachon> Wait I think I figured it out... The icon.theme is empty <.<
[13:33] <LetsGo67> Hey people.  Why did Xubuntu become bloated?  i used to like it for old PCs.  But now it's not good for that anymore.
[13:41] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: it didn't
[13:43] <bazhang> LetsGo67, thats not a support question
[13:43] <LetsGo67> TheSheep and bazhang: Well, i used to install it on sub-1Ghz computers.  No dice now.
[13:44] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: it's the base system that's common for xubuntu and ubuntu, can't really do much about it other than use a different distribution
[13:46] <LetsGo67> What about Lubuntu?
[13:46] <bazhang> try it. lubuntu-desktop is the package
[13:46] <LetsGo67> What's the point of using Xubuntu > Ubuntu?
[13:46] <bazhang> #lubuntu is the channel
[13:46] <bazhang> LetsGo67, thats again not a support question
[13:47] <LetsGo67> Time to log off and in.
[13:49] <TheSheep> bazhang: it's ok to ask non-support questions about xubuntu
[13:49] <TheSheep> bazhang: it's also supposed to be a source of general information about xubuntu
[13:49] <bazhang> TheSheep, he/she is a known issue in multiple channels
[13:54] <rob0917> I think a lot of people will come to xubuntu as an alternative to unity
[13:56] <david234> Does Xubuntu have a "Connect to server" option like Ubuntu does in the places menu ?
[14:01] <Arachon> david234: I think you use gigolo for that
[14:12] <Arachon> Is it possible to get one of them borderless, transparent terminals in XFCE?
[14:14] <TheSheep> Arachon: the default terminal can be transparent and have the borders removed
[14:15] <TheSheep> Arachon: it's all in the settings
[14:15] <Arachon> Oh?
[14:17] <Arachon> Hm, any way to disable scrollbar as well?
[14:18] <Arachon> nvm, found it, I'm an idiot <.<
[14:20] <dcorking> is Thunar xubuntu's default file manager?
[14:20] <Arachon> yup
[14:22] <dcorking> tks - does thunar have an option to preserve timestamps when dragging-dropping?
[14:23] <dcorking> scratch that question - where is the canonical (small c) list of known issues and feature requests for thunar?
[14:29] <TheSheep> dcorking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar
[14:31] <TheSheep> dcorking: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar
[14:31] <TheSheep> dcorking: sorry, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[14:32] <dcorking> thanks TheSheep - should be easy enough to filter out thunar from bugzilla
[14:32] <TheSheep> yup, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Thunar
[14:34] <Arachon> For some reason, every time I log in, an instance of Thunar and Terminator opens
[14:35] <TheSheep> Arachon: you must have saved your session on logout
[14:35] <TheSheep> Arachon: go to sessions in settings and delete them
[14:37] <Arachon> TheSheep: Hm... I found Thunar, but not the terminal in "Session"
[14:38] <TheSheep> Arachon: you can also just delete the files in ~/.cache/sessions
[14:40] <Arachon> kay, thanks
[15:00] <dcorking> re my earlier problem - I ran 'sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop' but my natty upgrade still won't complete - so I have concluded it is not a conflict with xubuntu but something deeper in ubuntu - I've taken those questions to #ubuntu - meanwhile thanks for help
[16:28] <dusf> why would logging into xfce-session for a few mintues and then back into xubuntu-session have changed lots of my session and made my desktop appear entirely different?
[16:28] <Soupermanito> i don't know
[16:28] <Soupermanito> it never happened to me
[16:29] <dusf> Soupermanito: more details, screenshot http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1763410
[16:29] <Sysi> i'm not sure, but it maybe loads different settings
[16:29] <dusf> Sysi: is there anything i can do?
[16:29] <dusf> Soupermanito: got my fps in WINE up to 25/30 most of the time btw :)
[16:30] <Sysi> dusf: change settings to be in a way you want them to be
[16:30] <Soupermanito> :D and thats good i guess
[16:31] <dusf> Sysi: there are too many, and i don't know everything that has changed
[16:32] <dusf> for all i know it's gone messing at drivers and everything
[16:32] <Sysi> change everything that doesn't feel good
[16:32] <Sysi> why you'd think it has done something to drivers?
[16:33] <dusf> Sysi: everything looks blurry, and because i've no idea what it hasn't _done_
[16:33] <Sysi> that screenshot looks okay on my screen
[16:33] <dusf> i can see the blurryness
[16:33] <dusf> looks *blurrier
[16:34] <Sysi> different antialiasing settings, see appearance → fonts
[16:34] <Soupermanito> well Sysi the screenshot cant screenshot blurryness, thats pretty obvious
[16:34] <Soupermanito> dusf, press your monitor autosetup button
[16:35] <Soupermanito> i guess it should have it, it usually fix my blurriness problems
[16:35] <dusf> Sysi: is there no way other than reinstalling to just revert to the default settings? i haven't really changed much since last install
[16:35] <dusf> Soupermanito: monitor autosetup is hardware related, rather than correcting whatever software changes have taken place, no?
[16:36] <Soupermanito> dusf, you can choose the tango/human set of icons from the setup screen, all your settings can go back to look exactly how it did, whitout installing all things back
[16:36] <Soupermanito> dusf, yes, and no, maybe is just something that went sligtly modified and your monitor just need some refreshing of its options
[16:37] <Sysi> dusf: log out, press Ctrl Alt F6 and login there, run rm -rf .config/xfce4 and press Ctrl Alt F7 or F8 to get back to normal login
[16:37] <Soupermanito> it happens usually after reinstalling drivers like you dit the other day
[16:39] <dusf> Soupermanito: thanks, selected the elementary set of icons which appears to match what i was using
[16:39] <dusf> Sysi: okay, will try that
[16:41] <dusf> brb
[16:43] <Soupermanito> lol i love xubuntu xorg.conf, it has like 3 sections and 15 lines XD
[16:43] <Sysi> by default it doesn't exist at all
[16:45] <Soupermanito> XD
[16:45] <dusf> Sysi, Soupermanito: thanks guys, perfect again :) it's small things i didn't even think to note, like the title bar greying out and attaching to the top panel etc
[16:46] <Soupermanito> :) you are welcome, tho Sysi did all the work
[16:46] <Soupermanito> wait, do we have !yay?
[16:46] <Soupermanito> !yay | dusf
[16:46] <dusf> hehe
[16:46] <Soupermanito> :D we do!
[16:47]  * dusf throws ubottu a treat
[16:47] <Sysi> !botcookie
[16:47] <Sysi> no..
[16:47] <Sysi> !botsnack
[16:47] <Soupermanito> !cookie
[16:48] <dusf> Soupermanito: i posted on launchpad about the jockey/driver problem
[16:48] <dusf> Soupermanito: although fps in WINE no longer slows down to 5/6 fps
[16:48] <Soupermanito> :) good your findings might help someone else now!
[16:48] <dusf> Soupermanito: you had me blacklist with http://paste.ubuntu.com/609789/
[16:49] <dusf> nouveau
[16:49] <Soupermanito> ajam?
[16:50] <Sysi> nvidia used to totally fail to load if nouveau wasn't blacklisted
[16:50] <Soupermanito> XD
[16:50] <Soupermanito> so it helped, good, people on the internet know theyr configs
[16:51] <dusf> Sysi: then surely xubuntu should blacklist it by default? i have had terrible problems, and they are not resolved as yet
[16:52] <dusf> jockey doesn't seem to know what's going on with my drivers, and even lspci shows noveau as loaded, along with 4/5 other graphic drivers
[16:52] <dusf> 'Kernel modules: nvidia, nvidia-173, nvidia-current, nouveau, nvidiafb'
[16:53] <Sysi> that possibly means they're available, not loaded
[16:53] <dusf> Applications Menu >> System >> Additional Drivers or jockey shows 'The driver is activated but not currently in use. '
[16:53] <dusf> jockey-text -l > xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use)
[16:55] <dusf> i did a echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf AND sudo update-initramfs -u | so am hoping i'm now using the correct driver although there's not really anythign to tell me i am
[16:56] <Sysi> if 3d works you have right driver
[16:57] <dusf> Sysi: winehq told me my box was trying to use propietary and FOSS drivers which was causing problems
[16:58] <Sysi> i switched to fedora, one of the reasons was that jockey sucks
[16:58] <Soupermanito> dusf you can run glxgears?
[16:59] <Sysi> glxgears is pretty bad test
[16:59] <Sysi> about any game is better
[16:59] <dusf> Sysi: you don't use ubuntu anymore?
[16:59] <dusf> Soupermanito: trying
[16:59] <dusf> Soupermanito: yes
[17:00] <Sysi> dusf: nope
[17:00] <dusf> Sysi: but you still find time to help people in xubuntu? :)
[17:01] <Sysi> i still don't actually have a life
[17:01] <Soupermanito> dusf, then you have 3D, but according to Sysi it doesnt mean much more than that
[17:01] <dusf> Sysi: join the club bro
[17:01] <dusf> Sysi: i was going to test out debian over the next few weeks, i hear it's very stable and not nearly as buggy as ubuntu
[17:02] <Sysi> debian is older, more tested
[17:02] <dusf> it still gets updated though afaik
[17:02] <dusf> just not every 6 months
[17:02] <dusf> *pgraded
[17:03] <Sysi> debian doesn't have regular release cycle
[17:05] <KM0201> Sysi: sure it does, it's called "Whenever we get around to it"
[17:06] <Soupermanito> !imagebin
[19:05] <dirtycookie> hi i just installed xubuntu 11.04 and have an atheros AR5001 chipset and need help in installing the driver for it
[19:05] <dirtycookie> can someone help
[19:05] <Soupermanito> !ask
[19:05] <Soupermanito> XD
[19:05] <Soupermanito> you already said so
[19:08] <Soupermanito> dirtycookie, you mean the wifi?
[19:09] <dirtycookie> Soupermanito: yes
[19:09] <dirtycookie> is there something else that could be interpreted?
[19:10] <Soupermanito> i dont really know
[19:10] <Soupermanito> :)
[19:10] <Soupermanito> http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/madwifi-hal-<IP_ADDRESS>/
[19:10] <Soupermanito> this are the drivers for it, you need to uncompress and make install them
[19:11] <Soupermanito> you need just the latest one
[19:11] <Unit193> dirtycookie: It didn't just work ootb?
[19:12] <Unit193> PCMCIA, builtin or USB?
[19:22] <jozefk> I can't decide to go for K or X ubuntu :)
[19:22] <dirtycookie> Unit193: ootb?
[19:23] <bin_bash> Hey guise
[19:23] <Unit193> out of the box
[19:23] <bin_bash> My laptop is shutting itself completely off for no obvious reasy
[19:23] <bin_bash> reason
[19:23] <dirtycookie> Unit193: it is mini pci express
[19:24] <Unit193> jozefk: Depends on what you like better, what you plan to do with it, and the specs of the computer ;)
[19:24] <jozefk> specs are not a problem at all
[19:25] <Soupermanito> well, for one kde is ugly as hell
[19:25] <bin_bash> can someone explain this junk
[19:25] <dirtycookie> Unit192: ah ok
[19:25] <bin_bash> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:25] <Soupermanito> bin_bash, that happened to me and i had to change my power source for a new one
[19:25] <bin_bash> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[19:26] <dirtycookie> the laptop that im using is an asus eeePC
[19:26] <Soupermanito> bin_bash, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:26] <bin_bash> ahhhhh
[19:26] <bin_bash> thanks
[19:27] <Soupermanito> dirtycookie, i gave you the drivers
[19:27] <dirtycookie> there are no ubntu packages?
[19:27] <jozefk> I like the network manager in xubuntu but I like how KDE 4.6.2 looks like. don't know which network manager is used in Kubuntu though
[19:29] <Soupermanito> dirtycookie, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[19:30] <Soupermanito> D: you like how kde looks? awesome, first time i ever heard that in this channel
[19:30] <Unit193> Soupermanito: I was just about to link that :D
[19:30] <Unit193> I like X/K/Lubuntus (Only using L/X)
[19:31] <Soupermanito> i tried L but its not for me, for instance it tried to install chromiun on me
[19:32] <Unit193> Soupermanito: You can always purge it... (This is getting offtopic)
[19:33] <Arachon> Hello folks, I was wondering if you knew of a tool to configure and theme GDM?
[19:34] <jozefk> xfce is nice. you are right. but for me KDE is not so ugly also.
[19:37] <Unit193> Arachon: I can't think of one. There are some GDM themes in the repos
[19:37] <Arachon> Ok, shame :/
[19:38] <Unit193> Wait for LightDM in 11.10 :P
[19:38] <Arachon> Heh, I'd rather not :P
[19:40] <Arachon> Apparently, there used to be a "login window" setting utility in Ubuntu...
[19:42] <Dizkonnekted> hello room
[19:42] <Soupermanito> !hi | Dizkonnekted
[19:43] <jozefk> nice :)
[19:45] <Dizkonnekted> I have just installed Xubuntu after coming from the 'main' gnome orientated Ubuntu, I am looking for peoples thoughts / opinions on setting up and using Compiz! :)
[19:45] <Soupermanito> :)
[19:46] <Soupermanito> if you want to use compiz just install it from synaptic after updating it, then you have to run compiz by alt-F2>compiz>run and whit ccsm you config it, simple as that
[19:47] <Dizkonnekted> really!? that is awesome!! I had heard it did not play nice with Xubuntu >.>
[19:52] <Soupermanito> you heard wrong
[19:54] <Dizkonnekted> apparently so! :P
[20:20] <dirtycookie> Soupermanito: ehmm i was away and im new at "making" drivers myself
[20:24] <dirtycookie> Soupermanito: the only modules that i have loaded that have to do with ath are here
[20:24] <dirtycookie> http://pastebin.com/TCugs3XC
[20:26] <jozefk> i'm going to try both live cds and see how it looks and works :)
[20:26] <Unit193> jozefk: No VM?
[20:26] <jozefk> don't like VM
[20:27] <bin_bash> holy upgrades batman.
[20:27] <bin_bash> If these updates/upgrades break my computer more, i'ma cry.
[20:27] <jozefk> LOL
[20:27] <bin_bash> Then I
[20:27] <bin_bash> I'm going to try a couple other distros
[20:27] <bin_bash> and if they don't work
[20:27] <bin_bash> i'm going to reinstall
[20:27] <bin_bash> and never update again
[20:28] <bin_bash> okay time to reboot. let's hope for the best, eh?
[20:31] <Soupermanito> i never upgrade, upgrading always fail
[20:31] <Soupermanito> dirtycookie, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[20:32] <Soupermanito> have you already readed the whole of that ?
[20:34] <dirtycookie> will try now
[20:35] <Soupermanito> :) theres where you should have started
[20:35] <bin_bash> Well it booted!
[20:35] <bin_bash> so that's good
[20:35] <Arachon> Plymouth is the program that does the little Xubuntu logo when you boot, right?
[20:35] <Sysi> yup
[20:36] <bin_bash> Is there a way to change the login screen?
[20:36] <bin_bash> It's boring and I don't liek it
[20:36] <bin_bash> (this is assuming this distro continues to work)
[20:36] <Sysi> i prefer automated login :P
[20:36] <Unit193> plymouth themes are in the repo
[20:36] <bin_bash> I don't
[20:36] <bin_bash> :P
[20:37] <bin_bash> I like logging in because I can choose which session I want
[20:37] <Dizkonnekted> plus its more secure!
[20:38] <bin_bash> ^
[20:38] <Dizkonnekted> :P
[20:38] <Dizkonnekted> <-- randomly peeking in
[20:39] <Sysi> every basic setup is pretty horrible with security if attacker has physical access :/
[20:39] <bin_bash> MoC is the ebst music player ever except maybe for MPD, but I've never used MPD
[20:40] <Sysi> i still go with rhythmbox
[20:41] <bin_bash> I'm a fan of the cli players
[20:41] <Sysi> i'm not, none of them is nice to use
[20:41] <bin_bash> Is there a way to automatically rotate the wallpapers in the wallpaper list?
[20:41] <Sysi> one mdp client actually could be nice but i don't want to setup mpd
[20:42] <bin_bash> Sysi, Yeah that's why I use MoC. It's already config'd for me
[20:42] <bin_bash> And it works nicely with conky
[20:42] <Sysi> it doesn't itunes-style filter feature?
[20:42] <Sysi> itunes/rhythmbox/juk
[20:42] <bin_bash> what/
[20:43] <Sysi> i type in the search box and if filters the list of songs according to my typing
[20:43] <bin_bash> ah
[20:43] <Dizkonnekted> bin_bash: DesktopNova is a wallpaper changer
[20:43] <bin_bash> Dizkonnekted, is it in the repos?
[20:43] <Dizkonnekted> bin_bash: for sure!
[20:44] <bin_bash> thanks
[20:45] <Dizkonnekted> your welcome
[20:57] <Arachon> Anyone knows where I can find Plymouth themes?
[20:57] <Unit193> apt-cache search for one
[20:57] <Unit193> er... synaptic
[20:58] <Sysi> kubuntu one is quite cool
[20:59] <Unit193> It's not in the repo, but I like the stargate one! I just need to get it installed!
[21:00] <Arachon> Unit193: I'm using plymouth-manager
[21:02]  * Unit193 didn't see that in the repo....
[21:02] <Dizkonnekted> i love radio tray *rocks out* :)
[21:02] <Arachon> Unit193: http://sourceforge.net/projects/plymouthmanager/
[21:05] <Unit193> How about that... They have the stargate one@
[21:08] <Soupermanito> but it doesnt work, if i try to use it then i have an, hear this, ubuntu txt boot
[21:08] <Soupermanito> not even a xubuntu txt boot
[22:21] <bin_bash> Dizkonnekted, do you know if you can set DesktopNova to repeat the list?
[22:23] <Dizkonnekted> bin_bash: I am not sure to be honest, as far as I can recall it just keeps repeating whatever is in the folder
[22:23] <bin_bash> ok
[22:26] <Dizkonnekted> bin_bash:  webuilder is also something you might search for, its not in the repos though, grabs images from the web and cycles them!
[22:26] <bin_bash> cool
[22:26] <bin_bash> i just have thse 3 i liek
[22:26] <bin_bash> thanks tho
[22:26] <Dizkonnekted> no worries
[23:02] <Soupermanito> question: can xfce4-terminal show the desktop on the transparency mode instead of the just below window?
[23:04] <Soupermanito> you know the xchat style
[23:52] <Mannyuel> is xubuntu lightweight?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is lighter weight than Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[23:56] <Mannyuel> can compiz be installed?
[23:56] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:57] <Mannyuel> thanks
[23:57] <Mannyuel> unity sux
[23:57] <Mannyuel> i upgraded to natty and its broken
[23:58] <Mannyuel> unity panel and taskbar didnt even show up


[14:11] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/377767
[14:11] <cjwatson> (Remove PPA root in PackageUploadTestCase.tearDown)
[15:08] <tomwardill> I wrote some bash. https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/377768


[03:08] <axw> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7617 <- api dial timeout
[03:09] <wallyworld> looking
[03:19] <wallyworld> axw: lgtm, could you look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7615 ? just a small tweak
[03:19] <axw> wallyworld: yep, looking now
[03:23] <axw> wallyworld: maybe a stupid question... just looking at the model-config code, isn't the answer to use "juju model-config --reset http-proxy" ?
[03:24] <wallyworld> axw: that will reset back to the model default, rather than explicitly ""
[03:24] <wallyworld> model default value may be something specific
[03:24] <axw> ok
[03:24] <wallyworld> i'll check to be sure though
[03:29] <axw> wallyworld: how's it going to work for string config attrs that won't accept an empty string value? it'll fail. you really need to delete in that case... but then the model defaults apply
[03:30] <wallyworld> axw: my take is that if the user tries to set "" and that is invalid, it will just error
[03:30] <wallyworld> i guess i could make foo= be nil
[03:31] <wallyworld> so we'd support foo="" -> empty string, foo= -> nil
[03:32] <axw> wallyworld: the quotes will be interpreted by the shell
[03:32] <axw> it'll end up as empty string in the args in either case
[03:32] <axw> and that'd be pretty subtle anyway
[03:32] <wallyworld> right but I can check for "foo="
[03:33] <wallyworld> hmmmm
[03:33] <axw> wallyworld: anyway, it's an incremental improvement
[03:33] <wallyworld> yeah, we probably should have a separate semantic for delete
[03:35] <axw> wallyworld: you've got some dupes in the test
[03:35] <axw> all you need to add is "k1=", AFAICT
[03:35] <wallyworld> that was on purpose to reset the value back to non empty
[03:35] <axw> ah
[03:35] <wallyworld> just to test parsing "" and empty
[04:41] <wallyworld> jam: did you have a few minutes to otuch base on the 2.2.2 bugs?
[04:42] <jam> wallyworld: do you have a sensor on my chair? I *just* sat down :)
[04:42] <wallyworld> lol
[04:42] <wallyworld> i can wait
[04:42] <jam> I was planning on looking through that list this morning, so I haven't really gotten to it yet
[04:42] <jam> I'll have standup in 20 min
[04:43] <jam> let me read through them and see what I can do
[04:43] <wallyworld> i had some info to share on my work
[04:43] <wallyworld> well, our work on this end
[04:44] <jam> sure, I just figure if I haven't actually read through the list, a conversation may be a bit one sided :)
[04:44] <wallyworld> np, maybe ping me after standup then
[04:46] <jam> wallyworld: so bug 1696739 and bug 1662857 both seem like they could just be removed from the 2.2.2 milestone
[04:46] <mup> Bug #1696739: mongodb reporting saslStart and isMaster as being slow <mongodb> <performance> <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696739>
[04:46] <mup> Bug #1662857: cannot go get the source code  <juju:Fix Committed by ecjones> <juju 2.2:Won't Fix by ecjones> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662857>
[04:46] <wallyworld> right
[04:47] <wallyworld> i wanted to create a new 2.2.3 milestonr
[04:47] <wallyworld> i changed the project driver to a team which we are in, but still can't do it it seems
[04:48] <wallyworld> also bug 1696557
[04:48] <mup> Bug #1696557: relationscopes may have an O(N^2) bug during startup <performance> <startup> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696557>
[04:48] <wallyworld> and i think bug 1697956 might fix bug 1696508
[04:48] <mup> Bug #1697956: restarting controller during an HA upgrade will cause it to not upgrade <adrastea> <upgrade-juju> <juju:In Progress by wpk> <juju 2.2:In Progress by wpk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697956>
[04:48] <mup> Bug #1696508: secondary controllers not coming up correctly <adrastea> <enable-ha> <ha> <performance> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696508>
[04:49] <wallyworld> and bug 1696472 can come off - we could do that for a 2.2.3 based on the history rpuning work
[04:49] <mup> Bug #1696472: dblogpruner failed to prune logs by time <adrastea> <logging> <performance> <pruning> <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.2:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696472>
[04:56] <jam> wallyworld: I created a 2.2.3, where did you try to create it?
[04:56] <jam> I went to launchpad.net/juju and then clicked on the series 2.2, and then scrolled down for "create milestone"
[04:56] <wallyworld> i had thought there was a button on the milestone overview page
[04:57] <jam>  /shrug, maybe there should be, but I found it on the series
[04:57] <wallyworld> ah, yeah i see it there too
[04:57] <wallyworld> so i looked in the wrong place
[04:59] <wallyworld> jam: the biggest concern is that cdo qa blocker - the mongo issue. i was going to ping menno as he had had some involvement and could have maybe provided some insight but he's out today etc. i'm not sure what we can do about that bug before we look to cut a release
[05:00] <jam> wallyworld: yeah, he handed some of that off to me, so I'll pick up from where he left off
[05:00] <wallyworld> there's 2 issues - the pinger one, and the other
[05:00] <wallyworld> controllers not being able to even login to mongo
[05:01] <wallyworld> bug 1701275
[05:01] <mup> Bug #1701275: [2.2.1] juju-agent loses connection to controller and doesn't retry to connect <4010> <cdo-qa-blocker> <cpe> <cpe-sa> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701275>
[05:02] <wallyworld> i think we still need to add the pinger one to the milestone as well
[05:02] <wallyworld> in addition to this other one
[06:27] <jam> wallyworld: I'm back around again
[06:27] <jam> finished my other meetings
[06:38] <jam> wallyworld: so I'm actually focused on 1701294, which is a bug that is private, so I'm creating a public bug to track that against juju itself.
[07:01] <wallyworld> jam: sorry, was at school pickup. do you think we can release without fixing that other mongo one? I can't see us diagnosing, fixing, and testing this week, and we need 2.2.2 out the door
[09:03] <axw> jam: if you have any free time today, I'd appreciate a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7606 (apiserver facade reorg)
[09:03] <jam> yeah, trying to get through the backlog
[09:03] <axw> thanks
[09:03] <jam> I'm holding off on that one a little, as its bigger, but I'll try to get to it
[09:03] <axw> no worries, no rush
[09:07] <jam> axw: on pull 7611, you have a TODO about schema.Omit()
[09:07] <jam> but from what I can tell your default is "", not schema.Omit()
[09:09]  * axw looks
[09:10] <axw> jam: huh. I'm sure I had it as omit, must have changed it by mistake at some point. thanks, will fix - I believe the TODO still applies, but I'll double check
[09:17] <axw> jam: thanks for catching: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7621. running QA now
[10:26] <axw> jam: not sure I follow your comment about storageprovisioner - was that based off reading the description? I did put it under facades/agent, just didn't mention that in the description
[10:27] <jam> axw: yeah, just reading the description
[10:27] <axw> okey dokey
[10:27] <jam> haven't gotten into the 385 files changed yet
[10:27] <axw> :)
[10:27] <axw> it's mostly just changed imports
[10:27] <axw> 99% mechanical
[10:27] <jam> axw: so is it mostly about asking if the grouping is sane?
[10:28] <axw> jam: yup, which I think we agreed on already, but it needs the stamp
[10:29] <axw> jam: actually the only non-mechanical bit in this PR are dropping the AuthClient check in apiserver/highavailability. there were auth fixes, but they were made in 2.2 and then merged already
[12:09] <jam> wpk: axw: trivial review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7624
[12:09] <jam> we had a helper function that was essentially "c.Assert(true)"
[12:10] <axw> jam: doh :) lgtm
[12:15] <wpk> jam: whoops :)
[12:20] <wpk>  /wind 54
[14:09] <jam> wpk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7625 is another quick-tweak of logging data
[14:13] <jam> wpk: I need to EOD now, but if you do a review I'm happy to land it
[14:14] <wpk> lgtm
[21:56] <wallyworld> externalreality: hey, could you please backport this PR into 2.2 branch? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7552
[21:57] <externalreality> OK
[21:57] <wallyworld> awesome, thanks
[21:57] <externalreality> np
[22:43] <wallyworld> externalreality: bug 1696472
[22:43] <mup> Bug #1696472: dblogpruner failed to prune logs by time <adrastea> <logging> <performance> <pruning> <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.2:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696472>
[22:44] <externalreality> nice, I'll make a leankit card now if one doesn't already exist