[00:30] <byron__> anyone on??
[08:52] <nagge> Hi Anyone! Can anyone help me, im about to install Ubuntu Studio?
[08:53] <nagge> okey!
[08:53] <cfhowlett> !ask | nagge,
[08:55] <nagge> I have Intel 64 bit processor, E8400 3 GHz But i cant find 64 Intel installations to download, can I use amd iso to install next no Windows 7 Ultimate?
[08:56] <zequence> nagge: AMD64 is for both amd and intel
[08:56] <zequence> Sorry, we should have made that more clear on the download page
[08:56] <nagge> okey thanks!
[08:56] <nagge> bye
[08:56] <zequence> Yes, you can install next to Windows. Just be aware that the windows boot loader will be removed
[08:56] <zequence> ..and replaced by GRUB boot loader (which can see both Linux and Windows)
[14:12] <byron_> anyone on??
[14:13] <cfhowlett> !ask | byron_
[14:15] <byron_> I'm having trouble using LMMS, audio and midi keep dropping out
[15:50] <yorwos> hi all , i have tried many times to install kwin window manager but i always get errors when running kwin --replace , is kwin working properly with amd proprietary drivers ? something else i should try ? ub.studio 14.04
[15:51] <yorwos> have tried uninstalling reinstalling
[15:52] <holstein> what i would do is just use kubuntu, starting with kubuntu base, and then install whatever i want from the audio/video packages
[15:52] <holstein> yorwos: regardless, any guide for switching xfce to kde, or xubuntu to kubuntu should help you
[17:27] <swing> hey everybody. I have an issue with the screen's backlight on an Asus K72J running UbuntuStudio 12.04
[17:28] <swing> can somebody help me? I tried everything on the internet like editing Grub, install xbacklight, etc... but no succes
[19:27] <washeins> hello
[19:32] <nickhilr1> hi i m on xubuntu 14, how do i install ubuntustudio audio package only
[19:43] <washeins> hola
[19:44] <holstein> nickhilr1: you can open the package manager of your choice and search "ubuntustudio" and install what yo ulike
[19:45] <holstein> nickhilr1: i suggest *not* installing the meta packages, but just research what it is you want, and install them
[19:45] <holstein> sudo apt-get install audacity for example
[19:45] <holstein> or, jack ardour and whatever plugins..
[19:46] <nickhilr1> i only want the audio packages from ubuntustudio, also which should i choose from linux-rt or lowlatency?
[19:47] <holstein> nickhilr1: there is no "rt", but, i would choose neither til you are sure you actually need it
[19:48] <holstein> nickhilr1: typically, there is no need for actual lowlatency, and depending on the hardware being used, you won't get low latency with internal devices, regardless of kernel
[19:48] <holstein> nickhilr1: you can install the lowlatency kernel by opening the package manager of your choice and searching "lowlatency"
[19:50] <nickhilr1> well i working on an old compaq presario laptop, with 1G of ram
[19:51] <holstein> nickhilr1: sure.. so, regardless of kernel, you are not going to get lowlatency, so i suggest, just do audio production that doesnt require lowlatency
[19:51] <holstein> nickhilr1: what is lowlatency? latency is the time it takes from when you press play, for example, in an audio recorder til the sound comes out of the speakers
[19:52] <holstein> if you record you or your band live, and want to mix it, who cares if it takes 8ms from when you press play, or 80ms?
[19:52] <holstein> its literaly irrelevant. and you dont need to install special kernels, or hassle with it
[19:53] <holstein> when do folks need lowlatency? doing realtime effects processing : you have your guitar hooked into an interface into the computer and are using the machine to provide effects such as distortion with something like guitarix or rakarrack
[19:53] <holstein> another scnario : you have a midi keyboard connected, and want to use that instrument in realtime to trigger samples or a software synth such as yoshimi
[19:54] <holstein> otherwise, for all other tasks, you dont need lowlatency, and shouldnt be bothering with trying to do either of those tasks on that hardware
[19:54] <holstein> i would start with the generic kernel you have,  and get used to using JACK, if you need it..
[19:54] <holstein> !proaudio
[19:55] <holstein> or, depending on what exactly you are doing, just install specifically what you need.. for example, if you are editing a podcast, or some speach, you dont need JACK or ardour.. you can do that simply with audacity
[19:56] <holstein> i also suggest just downloading the actual ubuntustudio iso and see what the tools are , and how they work, and what you need..
[19:56] <holstein> the ubuntustudio meta packages are not a magical way to convert your machine into an audio production rig.. they are just defaults that install a set of applications that you can install on your own, or may not want all of, or may want other applicaiont..
[19:56] <holstein> applications*
[19:58] <holstein> nickhilr1_: im not sure what all you missed there, but i'll put my output in a pastebin
[19:58] <holstein> nickhilr1_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8082564/
[20:05] <nickhilr1> holstein: so i can install the kernels later if i choose to
[20:05] <holstein> nickhilr1: you can install them anytime
[20:05] <holstein> nickhilr1: nothing about the software that you are asking about requires that kernel
[20:07] <nickhilr1> right
[20:07] <nickhilr1> holstein: thanks


[15:59] <GuidoPallemans> I'm making a Reddit reader for the phone! Anyone care to join? https://github.com/brambram/UbuntuPhoneRedditApp


[02:31] <bddebian> Hello
[03:13] <mhz> hi all
[03:14] <bddebian> Hello mhz
[03:14] <mhz> bddebian: hi there
[03:54] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[03:58] <sbalneav> Hey there bddebian!
[05:21] <nixternal> i apologize for the earlier join/part floods
[05:21] <nixternal> they were not me by any means
[10:21] <EmxBA> pygi: hi! I haven't seen you for a lot!
[10:21] <pygi> EmxBA, eh
[10:21] <EmxBA> what's up in CRO?
[10:21] <pygi> rain :P
[10:22] <EmxBA> heh :D
[10:22] <EmxBA> and the sea? lots of tourists, I suppose ;)
[10:22] <pygi> eh :)
[11:40] <EmxBA> Fujitsu: hi!
[11:41] <Fujitsu> Hi EmxBA.
[03:19] <bddebian> Hello
[03:19] <sbalneav> mornning bddebian
[03:19] <bddebian> Morning sbalneav
[06:04] <cbx33> ping Yagisan
[06:05] <Yagisan> pong cbx33
[06:05] <cbx33> can we pop over to pm?
[06:05] <cbx33> you have a sore min?
[06:05] <cbx33> spare
[06:05] <Yagisan> sorta. pm anyway
[08:24] <hlabs> any one know if there is an IE clone for edubuntu
[08:28] <cbx33> IE as in internet explorer?
[08:28] <hlabs> yeah
[08:28] <cbx33> hlabs, firefox
[08:29] <hlabs> well some sites say that you need to have ie only
[08:29] <cbx33> those sites are non-compliant
[08:29] <cbx33> give me an example?
[08:30] <hlabs> www.jang.com.pk
[08:30] <hlabs> this site doesnt load up on my edubuntu
[08:30] <hlabs> says need IE
[08:32] <cbx33> loads fine here
[08:32] <cbx33> infirefox
[08:33] <cbx33> and epiphany
[08:53] <hlabs> i need help in installing gnucash
[08:53] <hlabs> please help
[09:18] <lucasvo> hlabs: what's the matter?
[09:19] <lucasvo> hlabs: it loads in my firefox
[09:19] <hlabs> yeah i solved that issue
[09:19] <hlabs> i need to install gnucash now
[09:19] <lucasvo> hlabs: System -> Administration -> Synaptic package manager
[09:19] <lucasvo> !repositories
[09:20] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:20] <lucasvo> hlabs: do this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#head-5bbef89639d9a7d93fe38f6356dc17847d373096
[09:20] <hlabs> i got gnucash installed via the repo
[09:21] <hlabs> but its not being listed in the applications menu
[09:22] <lucasvo> hlabs: press alt-f2
[09:22] <lucasvo> hlabs: and then enter gnucash
[09:22] <hlabs> thanks man it works now
[09:22] <hlabs> but why isnt it listed in my apps menu
[09:23] <lucasvo> hlabs: because it's a bad installer
[09:23] <lucasvo> hlabs: to add it:
[09:23] <lucasvo> !alacarte
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alacarte - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <lucasvo> hlabs: right-click on Applications
[09:23] <lucasvo> ->Edit Menus
[09:24] <lucasvo> Choose a submenu
[09:24] <lucasvo> and then click on New Item
[09:24] <hlabs> then
[09:25] <lucasvo> Enter Name: Gnucash, Comment: as you like and COmmand: Gnucash
[09:25] <lucasvo> then if you want you can choose an icon
[09:25] <lucasvo> and press ok and then close the programm
[09:25] <lucasvo> it should be in the menu now
[09:27] <lucasvo> hlabs: worked?
[09:28] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[09:29] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[09:29] <cbx33> howz it going?
[09:29] <LaserJock> good
[09:29] <hlabs> yup worked well
[09:29] <hlabs> thanks man
[09:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: I went to a department BBQ yesterday, I was talking with one of the guys in another lab and he said they all use Ubuntu :-)
[09:30] <cbx33> heheh Wow cool
[09:30] <cbx33> that gives you more of an arguemnt
[09:30] <LaserJock> he wants me to make a custom CD for them
[09:32] <cbx33> nice
[09:32] <LaserJock> yeah, it is because they are all Windows people
[09:33] <LaserJock> but they don't have money to do all the licensing for the whole lab
[09:33] <LaserJock> so they want a Linux distro that "Just Works"
[09:33] <LaserJock> and he said that Ubuntu is the first one that he thought could do that
[09:34] <cbx33> excellent
[09:34] <LaserJock> yeah, and they even use all those Science apps I work on ;-)
[09:35] <LaserJock> I'm glad there is somebody on the planet that cares ;-)
[09:41] <cbx33> coool
[09:41] <cbx33> LaserJock, that;s great news
[09:41] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds
[09:41] <cbx33> restructure and added more :S
[09:43] <lucasvo> cbx33: why don't you export them to ogg?
[09:43] <cbx33> lucasvo, ok then, just for you :p
[09:44] <LaserJock> hehe, probably because I had him make some mp3s ;-)
[09:44] <lucasvo> cbx33: well if you work wiht opensource software, why not use opensource formates?
[09:44] <cbx33> that was it actaully
[09:46] <LaserJock> lucasvo: cause he was showing me some stuff and I've got a mac and couldn't figure out how to get .ogg easily :/
[09:47] <lucasvo> well, one's not supposed to hava a mac
[09:48] <LaserJock> no?
[09:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:48] <lucasvo> at least not OSX
[09:48] <LaserJock> I work on OS X like 12hrs a day
[09:48] <LaserJock> oh well :-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude, Christmas login sound :-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> I want Sample11 in a few months
[09:49] <lucasvo> cbx33: I'd like to have some drums in it
[09:50] <lucasvo> cbx33: like the current one
[09:50] <cbx33> oi....
[09:57] <cbx33> ok this makes no sense
[09:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, does this make sense to you
[09:57] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/128179
[09:59] <LaserJock> I don't think I've seen that before
[10:02] <cbx33> that my friend is a bug


[15:17] <agaida_> ianorlyn: the descision should be easy - maybe LXQt is ready for LTS with the next LTS release - and i would not write tests, just tracking the code: are there major changes in used libraries, are there blocker bugs in the bugtracker that are targeted for current version +1 or +2 - in that case i wouldn't change :)
[15:19] <agaida_> hmm - LXQt in debian stable without an exploding bugtracker might be a good indicator too
[15:21] <agaida_> last but not least i would prefer a version that begins with 1. instead 0. for a long term supported release
[15:48] <phillw> agaida_:  +1
[15:49] <agaida_> hiayas phillw - might sound strange for one thats known to run only sid, but i would call it common sense
[15:50] <teward> a follow up to that is whether it's on any of their install images
[15:50] <teward> and if it's not, how many people at Debian on Unstable are actually using/testing it
[15:50] <teward> (important questions heh)
[15:50] <phillw> agaida_: Julien has advised a hold for 'Y' and just test Xenial to bits until he has time to look into things.
[15:51] <phillw> As 'new' stuff comes in via Debian, it does make sense to keep an eye on that, as well as with what lubuntu specific things may be added (e.g. artwork - but I think Rafael is involved in debian as well?)
[15:52] <agaida_> teward: thats a completly different story i guess - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814923
[15:52] <agaida_> without tasksel changes no images :D
[15:52] <phillw> indeed.
[15:53] <teward> that then begs the question about how widely tested in Debian it is
[15:53] <teward> because if it's nowhere but unstable :P
[15:54] <agaida_> its in testing - there where it belongs to be :)
[15:55] <teward> same question - how much testing has it gone through :P
[15:55] <teward> sorry, i come from the dev side where I have to ask these questions :p
[15:56]  * agaida_ knows no one that is so crazy to use a untested DE as daily driver - really :D
[15:56] <phillw> agaida: I'll spin up a VM for it :)
[15:57] <agaida> System:    Host razorbox Kernel 4.5.2-towo.1-siduction-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc 5.3.1)
[15:57] <agaida>            Desktop LXQt dm sddm,sddm Distro siduction 13.1.0 Firestarter - rqt -<PHONE_NUMBER>44)
[15:57] <agaida> :P
[15:57] <phillw> agaida: if you can provide something along the lines of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/LXQt#Installing_LXQt_on_fresh_system
[15:58] <phillw> I'm happy to throw it at a VM and see how it behaves
[15:58] <agaida> normally i would say: apt install task-lxqt-desktop and be done
[15:58] <phillw> but, that is in the queue :)
[15:59] <agaida> and i would recommend to put a patched tasksel into the lxqt ppa
[15:59] <agaida> done :)
[16:00] <phillw> agaida: as always, try to pin down Julien for a chat .. he does read his emails :)
[16:02] <agaida> hey, i wrote the tasksel-patch and maintain the debian packages, that must be sufficient :)
[16:02] <agaida> so it is all there and tested, one has only to take it and put in in a repo
[16:03] <phillw> agaida: well as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/LXQt#Installing_LXQt_on_fresh_system starts off with install ubuntu-xenial minimal ... having it install whichever Debian version you want to use would help, along with the ppa's :D :P
[16:04] <phillw> I'd love to see the similarities and differences in the two.
[16:05] <phillw> else we can use ubuntu-net boot (which is debian net-boot with the ubuntu tasksel bolted on)
[16:07] <agaida> phillw: the trick is the tasksel part - you should really have a look into - the most things i've prepared with derivatives in mind - so there are a lot of alternatives, that could be choosen - but without a patched tasksel that wouldn't fly
[16:08] <phillw> agaida: so, is it in a ppa yet?
[16:08] <agaida> no, why - there is this debian bug with a patch attached
[16:08] <agaida> so this part should be easy
[16:09] <agaida> apt source tasksel, put the patch into debian/patches, add it to the series, upload
[16:10] <agaida> given that one use debian/source/format 3.0 (quilt)
[16:10] <phillw> agaida: are you allowed to put that in a patch?.....
[16:10] <phillw> +# thank to debian-qt-kde and their sensible defaults we must explicit choose
[16:10] <phillw> +# a sddm theme, otherwise sddm would throw in half of kde
[16:10] <phillw> +# and the neighbors pets too:
[16:10] <phillw> lmfao
[16:11] <agaida> :)
[16:11] <phillw> But, yes, I do know what you mean!
[16:11] <agaida> its really that hard, breeze has a lot of kde dependencies
[16:12] <agaida> its up to debian-desktop - if they don't like the wording - its not my business anymore
[16:13] <agaida> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=800050
[16:14] <phillw> yeah, we're not using sddm in lubuntu
[16:14] <agaida> so, i tried to be a nice guy that play nice and respectrul with others - it was worth a try
[16:14] <agaida> and thats why there is a sddm | $wmfoo in the dependencies
[16:16] <agaida> bah, dmfoo - so if you add lightdm to your packagelist lightdm fulfill this alternative
[16:16] <agaida> same for openbox | $wm
[16:16] <agaida> with openbox as default alternative
[16:16] <phillw> agaida: yeah.. this is the latest incarnation suggested .. http://pastebin.com/NRHRsW1U
[16:17] <phillw> may be worth a read and feel free to comment
[16:18] <agaida> i miss any kind of networkmanagement
[16:18] <agaida> ah - cmst
[16:19] <agaida> ok, wasn't sure if i let cmst depend on connman, but i do
[16:21] <phillw> It only got posted yesterday, I've not tried it yet :)
[16:21] <agaida> and i would suggest to take xfwm4 as default WM - but thats a matter of taste - otherwise this setup looks good
[16:21] <phillw> yeah, he mentions that as a choice :)
[16:21] <phillw> Jorn is a knowledgable guy :)
[16:22] <agaida> and to be true - only a matter of taste - i would leave vlc* out
[16:23] <phillw> I shall have a play later. Again, it is only suggestions and vlc handles all the codec stuff
[16:23] <agaida> and go with the gstreamer backends
[16:24] <agaida> trojita is an aweful state right now
[16:24] <agaida> juffed too - at least in debian
[16:25] <phillw> applications will come (we hope).. having a stable system for them to run on is nice :)
[16:25] <agaida> for siduction we go with smplayer/smtube/audacious
[16:26] <agaida> meanwhile in the kernel universe: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=822378
[16:27] <agaida> and this is really hard stuff to deal with distributionwise - i for myself handled it with local patched headers :D
[16:29] <phillw> I've no idea what 16.10 will run as kernel, the kernel team chose the lts 4.4 kernel for the ubuntu 16.04 lts.
[16:31] <agaida> and if one read kernel.org that was a wise descision
[16:32] <phillw> it arrived quite late in the cycle, but I heard no dissenting voices on us pressing on with the rest of testing / dev awaiting it to arrive.
[16:33] <agaida> i'm not that much into kernels - i'm interested in the brainfuck things - but they don't work well right now
[16:34] <agaida> so i lost the interest for now and run our normal distribution kernel
[16:35] <phillw> I trust the kernel team... actually teward helped me get a patch in from redhat into ubuntu kernel a few cycles ago... but I was mainly just being told how to format the request correctly :)
[16:35] <agaida> :)
[16:36] <agaida> a fast machine would help me - it isn't funny to build a kernel on a poor octacore
[16:36] <phillw> It did get in... so, with a lot of help... it can be done... Also, with a heck of a lot help I made a non-pae kernel for 14.04 and then with more help had it made able to run in LiveCD mode...
[16:36] <phillw> the 4.4 kernel does not need the add-ons to run in LiveCD mode.
[16:40] <agaida> i have a new toy - kernelwise it is horrible, the last known working kernel is from debian stable
[16:42] <agaida> a nice lenovo miix 2-10 with a failtrail processor and a 32bit UEFI :P
[16:42] <agaida> so if one like pain - i hereby recommend this tablet - works fine with windows 10 :)
[16:43] <phillw> agaida: well, if you ever want to have a play with kernel... this is the write up I had for making a kernel non-pae - but it does include all the tools etc....  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/non-pae (I used to build on my server based in France on a VM allowed 2 of the 4 cores and not worry about the cpu's getting hot :P )
[16:44] <agaida> philw - i do our alternative kernel - but it isn't funny right now
[16:45] <agaida> i think i will base it in 4.4 longterm if i'm able to spend time on it
[16:45] <agaida> s/in/on
[16:49] <agaida> CPU~Quad core Intel Atom Z3745 (-MCP-) clocked at 1331 MHz OS~Microsoft Windows 10 Home (10.0.10586) RTM x86 Up~22:13 Mem~1541/1944 MB HDD~125 GB (20.1% used) Procs~94 Client~Quassel (Qt5) v0.12.3 (git-732615f) winxi~0.7.0
[16:49] <agaida> and a linux on this machine would be really nice
[17:10] <phillw> agaida: basing on 4.4 would make sense...
[17:14]  * teward was pinged?
[17:14] <phillw> just as a mention :)
[18:16] <joern_> hi @all
[18:18] <phillw> hi joern_ agaida are you still about?
[18:18] <agaida> hi joern_
[18:19] <wxl> joern_: !
[18:22] <joern_> how are you all?
[18:23] <agaida> phillw: i will never let go the chance to rant a little bit - so pasted the second part of out trojita discussion; http://paste.debian.net/446881/
[18:23] <wxl> good here. you joern_ ?
[18:24] <agaida> joern_: fine
[18:24] <phillw> agaida: he was c&p'd to joern_ :)
[18:24] <phillw> s/he/it/
[18:25] <joern_> tired, very tired
[18:25] <joern_> had a lot of work in the past weeks
[18:27] <phillw> agaida: it was enough to tempt him here to have a chat with you :)
[18:29] <agaida> :P
[18:31] <joern_> agaida: which mail provider?
[18:33] <agaida> tested with hetzner
[18:33] <agaida> its not possible to send any mail with recent builds - i know this was working some month ago
[18:41] <joern_> agaida: just tried it, Trojita still works for me
[18:41] <joern_> mail provider web.de, SMTP with STARTTLS
[18:42] <agaida> so it seems to depend on the mailserver behind
[18:43] <agaida> we should test some other providers and far more important, a standard set of things like dovecot, exim and so on
[18:44] <joern_> I think at my workplace, the server is running dovecot
[18:45] <agaida> as i'm not eager to have an bugtracker that explode - and the only thing i could do is forward this crap upstream
[18:45] <ianorlin> agaida, ouch
[18:47] <joern_> btw agaida, any kind of error message?
[18:47] <agaida> just a moment, have to install it again
[18:49] <agaida> http://paste.siduction.org/20160429184946.jpg
[18:57] <agaida> incoming mails will be handled just fine
[19:07] <joern_> I've found a bug report, but it is pretty old
[19:07] <joern_> http://trojita.flaska.narkive.com/PdngtIQ7/send-mail-from-courier-imap-ssl-using-trojita-e-mail-client
[19:44] <ianorlin> https://code.launchpad.net/~walterorlin/ubuntu-manual-tests/lxqt-panel/+merge/293435 yay one more testcase down but still have a long way to go
[19:55] <joern_> good night!
[20:30] <tsimonq2> thanks ianorlin :)
[20:31] <tsimonq2> (for people reading the logs: bug 1575933 )
[20:33] <phillw> hiyas tsimonq2 we've had a good chat about lxqt, what was on Fb is on pastebin and the chat in irc.oftc.net is also in a pastebin so people reading the logs can follow them :)
[20:33] <tsimonq2> phillw: what channel?
[20:34] <phillw> the debian-lxqt area.... where else would it be? :)
[20:34] <tsimonq2> phillw: just read it, why's it relevant? :)
[20:35] <phillw> the discussion re: trojita that was further discussed above between Jorn and A gaida :)
[20:36] <tsimonq2> ic :)
[20:37] <phillw> I got them both in one place..... Much easier that way :)
[21:20] <phillw> tsimonq2: follow this bug and find the dev humour!! https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814923
[21:22] <tsimonq2> phillw: I know a guy who has commit access, I'll bring this up to him
[21:23] <phillw> tsimonq2: you have failed to see what I asked.....
[21:23] <tsimonq2> phillw: well nvm he doesn't have commit access
[21:24] <tsimonq2> and what?
[21:24] <phillw> tsimonq2: I can assure you that agaida is quite capable of commits, I just enjoyed the comment... so read the bug carefully and follow the trail.
[21:25] <tsimonq2> phillw: I just don't know what you are saying
[21:25] <phillw> tsimonq2: follow the bug... a hint... read the attached patch.
[21:26] <tsimonq2> phillw: I still don
[21:26] <tsimonq2> *don't get it
[21:27] <phillw> tsimonq2: read [task-lxqt-desktop.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]
[21:27] <tsimonq2> phillw: I know, what's abnormal about it?
[21:29] <phillw> tsimonq2: .... did you not notice this??
[21:29] <phillw>  +# thank to debian-qt-kde and their sensible defaults we must explicit choose
[21:29] <phillw>  +# a sddm theme, otherwise sddm would throw in half of kde
[21:29] <phillw>  +# and the neighbors pets too:
[21:29] <phillw> 😜
[21:29] <tsimonq2> hahahahahah
[21:30] <phillw> do read bug reports and patches.... devs have humour
[21:33] <phillw> tsimonq2: there is a 2nd bug raised over that issue..
[21:36] <phillw> tsimonq2: As both jorn and a gaida seem content with list of things to add in, I will be adding that set to the lubuntu LXQt wiki page with the comments from both of them so people can see where things are up to and easily join in to discussions on what is a very important thing for lubuntu.
[21:37] <phillw> getting an lxqt tasksel into debian is pretty much a pre-requisite for us to have a variant in ubuntu for lubuntu to tune to our own needs.
[21:42] <phillw> tsimonq2: you okay to move Y stuff to a sub page for the time being?
[23:14] <tsimonq2> phillw: no, add it to the page if you need
[23:14] <tsimonq2> please :)
[23:17] <phillw> okies, but as it is debian-lxqt, lxde-lxqt and lubuntu-lxqt it will be going to the top of the page :) Oh, and there will shortly be a new Fb group for LXQt ... still chatting about how it should be structured and phrased.


[00:50] <zequence> I'm going to start a Ubuntu Studio ppa where we have fixed packages that yet haven't been SRUd
[01:48] <micahg> zequence: can I ask what you're trying to accomplish with the PPA?
[01:53] <zequence> micahg: Give users the possibility to use packages that have been fixed but yet not been SRUd
[01:53] <micahg> zequence: yes, but why are they not being SRUd (I'm wondering if there's some breakdown somewhere we can fix)
[01:54] <zequence> micahg: The SRU process takes a bit of time
[01:54] <zequence> months as it seems
[01:56] <micahg> zequence: should take about 2 weeks if everything is ready from upload to get to -updates, 8-10 days if the SRU queue isn't backed up
[01:56] <zequence> bug #956438
[01:57] <micahg> if you'd like people to test the fixes without -proposed, that's fine, but I'd like to see more stuff pushed through SRU if it's needed (I was thinking of joining the -sru team at some point, but stopped having time)
[01:57] <zequence> I haven't prepared packages for 12.10 and 12.04 though
[01:57] <micahg> there's nothing there indicating it's ready for SRU aside from the bug tasks
[01:57] <micahg> right :)
[01:58] <micahg> something like that can go into the sponsorship queue and you can ping a patch pilot in -devel if it
[01:58] <zequence> But no one has informed me of anything not being right
[01:58] <micahg> s not addressed in a timely fashion
[01:59] <micahg> bug tasks means someone that wants to fix it, can, and they then submit it through the sponsorship process
[01:59] <micahg> so, nothing wrong per se, just that you shouldn't be shocked that nothing has been done with it
[02:00] <zequence> I pinged someone in -bugs
[02:00] <zequence> That got the process started
[02:00] <micahg> well, that'll get you bug tasks, not much more
[02:01] <zequence> I was following the instructions written on the wiki page
[02:01] <micahg> the SRU pagE?
[02:01] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:02] <micahg> you're at step 5.2 :)
[02:05] <zequence> Well, I wasn't clear on the the details of the process
[02:05] <zequence> I'll have a go tomorrow
[02:07] <micahg> ok, I'm here to help if I can
[02:09] <zequence> micahg: thanks
[02:54] <holstein> Len-nb: i use jamin on the way out of ardour.. as an insert
[02:54] <holstein> Len-nb: sometimes, i use it sandalone on the way out of other things
[03:23] <Len-nb> holstein, where would it make the most sense to have it in the menu?
[03:24] <Len-nb> Would it be hard to find in an effects sub menu?
[03:24] <holstein> Len-nb: i think that would be fine
[03:24] <holstein> i always add a flag anyways. so it doesnt auto connect to outputs
[03:25] <Len-nb> Should we do that to more of the standalone stuff?
[03:25] <Len-nb> We can request changes to the desktop files upstream holstein
[03:26] <Len-nb> I would thnk it doesn't make sense for JAMin to auto connect anyway.
[03:27] <holstein> depends
[03:28] <Len-nb> It doesn't make sense to auto connect for one use out of four
[15:39] <zequence> Len-nb: I think applications should all have a setting for disabling auto connect. For one thing, not everyone wants apps to connect to 1-2
[15:40] <zequence> and there are ways to make custom auto connects
[15:40] <zequence> Probably people want auto connect by default, but have the ability to disable it
[15:40] <zequence> ..for a lot of apps, not all
[15:45] <Len-nb> I agree
[15:46] <Len-nb> I use inputs 9-10 ... auto connecting to 1-2 is not very useful
[15:47] <Len-nb> zequence, from what I have heard from jack devs, auto connect is considered "rude" (not their words, but my paraphrase)
[15:50] <Len-nb> zequence, is there any way of renaming jack ports? not just in qjackctl, but so that all apps see the new names.
[15:55] <Len-nb> zequence, re backdrops: While we have asked for backdrop submissions, we have not given any guidance.
[15:56] <Len-nb> I would suggest a paragraph or two that gives the backdrop artist an idea of what we are looking for.
[15:56] <zequence> Len-nb: This time around, I don't think we can get much further on the artwork. And I will make a point about this tomorrow
[15:56] <Len-nb> The idea of getting out of the way and not distracting while looking good.
[15:57] <Len-nb> I would suggest just including anything properly licensed to look
[15:58] <zequence> For the next release, we need to have rules for this. Because of the shot time period, I felt putting up a unorganized wallpaper submission thing would be a bad idea on anything else than our -devel mail lsit
[15:59] <zequence> short*
[15:59] <Len-nb> Ya.
[15:59] <Len-nb> I have started working on a list for 13.04+1
[16:00] <Len-nb> I will post it later today... or should I wait?
[16:00] <zequence> Let's wait until this release is out
[16:00] <Len-nb> I think our stuff for 13.04 is done though
[16:00] <Len-nb> Soome of it is just defining work flows.
[16:01] <Len-nb> Some is ongoing.
[16:01] <zequence> I would still rather wait at least for a while, and then start a periof of organized planning, which we also announce
[16:01] <Len-nb> good. I will work on it in private then.
[16:02] <Len-nb> The binary I was referring to yesterday was an image.
[16:02] <Len-nb> the diff seems to have subtracted one image line by line and then added the other the same way.
[16:03] <Len-nb> Maybe that is how it works.
[16:03] <zequence> The diff is only text, AFAIK, so probably not helpful when binaries are involved
[16:03] <zequence> Better to create a bzr branch
[16:04] <Len-nb> Do they use those in debian?
[16:04] <zequence> No, probably mostly git
[16:04] <zequence> In which case, you could create a tar ball, but better ask the Debian guys
[16:04] <Len-nb> Neither the debian or the ubuntu package have a bzr branch
[16:05] <Len-nb> This is for hexter, it looks like they have just taken the original src and added a debian directory
[16:06] <zequence> That's usually how it works
[16:06] <zequence> debian/rules has instructions for some things, including how to build it
[16:07] <zequence> the debian dir really has all of the package info in it
[16:07] <Len-nb> How do I know who to talk to? There is a list , does Alessio Treglia sound right?
[16:07] <zequence> pkg-multimedia is a good list
[16:07] <zequence> There's also a irc channel, but it's not on freenode
[16:08] <zequence> OFTC
[16:08] <Len-nb> I made a patch but don't know how to submit.
[16:08] <zequence> channel #debian-multimedia
[16:08] <Len-nb> I try those things
[16:13] <zequence> Len-nb: usually when you get the source to a package, using "apt-get source", you can see where the git tree for the package is
[16:13] <zequence> In the case of hexter git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-multimedia/hexter.git
[16:14] <zequence> Becoming a debian multimedia member gives you upload rights
[16:14] <zequence> Not the same as getting Debian upload rights
[16:14] <zequence> Or, I should say, you get the right to push code
[16:16] <zequence> I think the one most important thing to learn, in order to be really helpful, is probably learning about Debian packagin, the policy and the tools
[16:18] <zequence> Len-nb: Another source for info is http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/hexter
[16:19] <zequence> You can find the adress to the git tree at the bottom
[16:26] <zequence> Well, learning git might be a good idea too :)
[16:26] <Len-nb> Ya it would.. there are some apps that use it for backup and versioning.
[16:27] <Len-nb> NAMA, some people use it for ardour too
[16:28] <Len-nb> I did already DL the debian hexter src packages.
[16:28] <Len-nb> That is what i was using to diff against
[16:30] <zequence> git is very useful to make diffs too
[16:30] <zequence> But, not sure if you can make a usable binary diff. Should be possible. I just don't know how
[16:35] <zequence> anyways, better ask the MM team


[01:34] <micahg> knome: do we have a matching UBuntu bug
[01:36] <knome> micahg, there is one, but i think mr_pouit already took care of it
[01:36] <knome> lp 1058814
[01:41] <micahg> ok
[01:44] <knome> thanks anyway :)
[02:45] <knome> pleia2, heh, the 5am sprint wasn't too far away after all ;) going to bed now though... ->
[02:57] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'll do a new release for greybird and all the other relevant themes before UIF, maybe we can do one last upload/update then. thanks a bunch!
[03:33] <pleia2> hah
[03:34] <pleia2> I didn't come back on time anyway ;)
[03:44] <pleia2> we should ship with vim
[03:46] <pleia2> (not really, probably doesn't work with strategy document blah blah :))
[04:02]  * micahg likes vim
[04:04]  * Unit193 never figured out how to get it to not mangle tabs.
[04:39] <kupfer> hi, I installed Raring Beta 1 this afternoon, followed by a bunch of updates.
[04:39] <kupfer> After that, there was one more update, but it was a bit odd.
[04:39] <kupfer> It was for the xubuntu-default-settings package, but the Software Updater listed it as "Help".
[04:40] <kupfer> Seems like a bug, but I'm not sure how to report it.  Any suggestions?
[04:44] <micahg> you have a screenshot?
[04:44] <kupfer> no, sorry.
[04:45] <micahg> hrm
[04:46] <micahg> I'm not on raring yet, if someone else has seen it, maybe we can report it against update-manager
[04:47] <kupfer> okay.  I'll keep me eyes open for other instances of mislabeling, and I'll get a screenshot if I see one.  thanks.
[04:47] <kupfer> s/me/my/
[20:25] <knome> pleia2, hullo


[00:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-ppa/msg00030.html
[02:29] <OvenWerks> I thought that went away... in any case the problem is with jack.py where it says: it seems that the version
[02:29] <OvenWerks> of thelibffi library seen at runtime is different from the 'ffi.h' file seen at compile time
[02:32] <OvenWerks> it seems this is a problem that comes and goes as first one package is updated and then the other. The time in between things don't work.
[04:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Luckily, I can trigger no-change rebuilds with my new MOTU powers.
[04:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Actually, if that's for 20.10, I might not be able to do anything about that, but I'll see what I can do. might mean a backport.
 @Eickmeyer[m] [<Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Luckily, I can trigger no-change rebuilds with my new …], unless a rebuild is in Main ;)
 I don't think MOTU gives you backports power ;)
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> @teward001 Wrong backports. I'm talking about the ppa.
 ah