[08:41] <kestas> orko: 4gb is the normal kernel limit without extra stuff
[08:41] <eater773> dabaSlon--> filesystem type " fat12" unknow .....
[08:41] <herpes> eater773, use vfat
[08:41] <sobersabre> hi guys
[08:41] <kestas> eater773: try sudo mount /media/floppy
[08:41] <sobersabre> i have this entry in my routing table:
[08:41] <sobersabre> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     U     0      0        0 eth0
[08:41] <dabaSlon> kestas, that last one is fun
[08:41] <sobersabre> why do i need it ?
[08:42] <orko> kestas, thats what I thought, but only 1GB is showing (<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386)
[08:42] <freewoody> Hi all
[08:42] <herpes> he freewoody
[08:42] <kestas> orko: hmm odd, but Ive got no experience with >512mb so cant help
[08:42] <freewoody> I can't seem to install Exim mail server
[08:42] <eater773> thanks .... dabaSlon --- Kestas ..... ur a great help.... more power to both of you..
[08:42] <dabaSlon> eater773: works?
[08:43] <dabaSlon> more power?
[08:43] <Drako60> hmm so what is blocking port 113
[08:43] <herpes> dabaSlon, what level are you at?
[08:43] <dabaSlon> lol
[08:43] <dabaSlon> heh
[08:43] <benplaut> how do a make grub update it's menu.lst to the edited version?
[08:44] <dabaSlon> i grow in powah each dayO_O
[08:44] <mngrif> I just install ubuntu (going from gentoo) and I get a lot of messages on boot from start-stop-daemon saying that "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.".. what gives?
[08:44] <mngrif> installed*
[08:44] <engin> dabaslon can u say the mounting the flopy again.. i did't understand it
[08:44] <dabaSlon> orko: are you running warty?
[08:44] <kestas> benplaut: grub-update
[08:44] <_seth> What file can handle 7z?
[08:44] <benplaut> thanks
[08:44] <eater773> yes....
[08:44] <_seth> Er, what program can handle 7z rather.
[08:44] <dabaSlon> eater773: excellent.
[08:44] <kestas> _seth: search synaptic for 7z
[08:44] <Burgundavia> _seth, file-roller can, but you have to open them by hand
[08:44] <kestas> _seth: something should turn up
[08:45] <freewoody> Does anyone know how to send mails using my own Exim SMTP Server
[08:45] <orko> debaSlon: yep 4.10 dist-up'd
[08:46] <orko> I found the same thing with straight debian, needed CONFIG_MEM_4GB enabled.
[08:46] <dabaSlon> and its still .8 kernel?
[08:46] <mngrif> it really seems like some packages didn't get configured
[08:46] <dabaSlon> ah...
[08:46] <_seth> Burgundavia, File Roller is telling me Archive not supported.
[08:46] <engin> :)
[08:46] <_seth> kestas, Synaptic isn't returning anything.
[08:46] <kestas> _seth: search synaptic for 7z
[08:46] <kestas> hmm
[08:47] <Burgundavia> _seth, gah, it can open them, it doesn't think it can
[08:47] <benplaut> kestas: not working...
[08:47] <engin> i cant mount flopy drive
[08:48] <engin> halp??
[08:48] <dabaSlon> me neither, ask eater773
[08:48] <engin> help?
[08:48] <kestas> benplaut: so you edited /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <benplaut> kestas: yes
[08:48] <_seth> I have no many eBooks in 7z, this is going to suck if I can't open them.
[08:48] <kestas> benplaut: what did you edit?
[08:48] <dabaSlon> grub-update  ... bash: grub-update: command not found
[08:48] <dabaSlon> update-grub?
[08:48] <kestas> sudo grub-update
[08:49] <benplaut> kestas: i had added suspend support, but it takes forever to save and restore an image, so i took it out
[08:49] <freewoody> Does somebody here uses Exim MTA ?
[08:49] <dabaSlon> sudo update-grub
[08:49] <benplaut> hibernate, i mean
[08:49] <lifeless> yes
[08:49] <engin> aloo how can do it
[08:49] <benplaut> dabaSlon: thanks, that worked
[08:50] <dabaSlon> sudo mkdir /mnt/fd0         ...       mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0
[08:50] <dabaSlon> yeah, kestas.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> _seth, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=p7zip
[08:50] <dabaSlon> excellent
[08:50] <Burgundavia> _seth, download and install from there
[08:51] <_seth> Unstable, right?
[08:51] <dabaSlon> engin: got that?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> _seth, yes, it should install on Ubuntu
[08:51] <engin> engin@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0
[08:51] <engin> mount: /dev/fd0 geerli bir blok aygt deil
[08:51] <engin> engin@ubuntu:~$
[08:51] <engin> it says in turkish.. namely it doesnt work
[08:52] <dabaSlon> then go see it, it is mounted maybe
[08:52] <dabaSlon> or no floppy, what does it say
[08:52] <engin> i cant translate:)
[08:52] <engin> :D
[08:53] <dabaSlon> mount -t fat12 /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0 try that
[08:53] <dabaSlon> I guess.
[08:53] <Zotnix> Bah.. going to have to reinstall.
[08:54] <engin> engin@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t fat12 /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd
[08:54] <engin> mount: balama noktas /mnt/fd yok
[08:54] <engin> engin@ubuntu:~$
[08:54] <tga> engin: there is no /mnt/fd dir?
[08:55] <_seth> When doing sudo dpkg -i p7zip_4.18-1_i386.deb, I get this.
[08:56] <_seth>  p7zip depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[08:56] <_seth>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[08:56] <engin> it says fat12 dont known.. it may be vfat
[08:56] <_seth> I tried to upgrade libc6 but it said it was up to date.
[08:56] <engin> but i try it with vfat and it retuns the first error again
[08:56] <tga> _seth: is that a debian package?
[08:56] <_seth> Yes.
[08:57] <tga> _seth: there you have it.. ubuntu is not (quite) debian
[08:57] <_seth> There isn't a package for Ubuntu though.
[08:57] <tga> of what?
[08:57] <_seth> 7z
[08:57] <_seth> Oh, there we go.
[08:58] <mpq> how do I copy files in the terminal?
[08:58] <_seth> File Roller now opens it for some reason.
[08:58] <membreya> anyone else having problems signing into MSN ? :|
[08:58] <tga> _seth: go to http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/, get the sources and compile it yourself
[08:58] <tga> or make an ubuntu package and contribute it :)
[09:00] <freewoody> How do I install Qmail in Ubuntu ?
[09:00] <eater773> engin --> same problem... 4 the floppy ???
[09:00] <Burgundavia> tga, it is about to be synced to breezy. The package hit unstable today
[09:00] <mpq> what is breezy?
[09:01] <jsgotangco> its the upcoming new release of Ubuntu in october
[09:02] <mpq> how do I copy files?
[09:02] <eater773> dabaSLon--> where can i get some wallpaper ..
[09:02] <eater773> dabaSlom--> what site ???
[09:02] <mpq> I need help
[09:03] <mpq> I don't know how to copy files in the terminal
[09:03] <mpq> and I can't see it in nautilus
[09:03] <hhurtta> man cp
[09:04] <goldfish> nooooooooooooooo
[09:04] <goldfish> :/
[09:05] <IRCTroll> o.O
[09:05] <Madpilot> eater773: eyecandy here: http://www.gnome-look.org/
[09:06] <eater773> Madpilot--> browsing.... thanks...
[09:07] <Madpilot> eater773: no sweat.
[09:12] <bigfoot> hi all: i need to change the firefox.js file in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref, but it says in Properties-->Permissions Tab "You are not the owner, so you can't change these permissions." How do I become the owner? Is being the owner the same as sudo?
[09:12] <niraj> hi
[09:12] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, why do you need to change the permissions?
[09:13] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, I want to modify the file, so that I can customize how Firefox works. Check out http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, that should be able to be changed within ff
[09:14] <Seveas> bigfoot, why do you want to modify te sytem wide file?
[09:14] <Seveas> you should modify the one in you r homedir
[09:14] <Seveas> and i should learn to spell :S
[09:15] <bigfoot> Seveas, there's no firefox stuff in my home directory.
[09:15] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, if you can't do it within the UI, you should edit the one in ~/.mozilla/
[09:15] <fortran01> how do I play mp3 in ubuntu?
[09:15] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, how do you change it within ff?
[09:15] <Burgundavia> fortran01, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:15] <Seveas> fortran01, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:16] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, no idea
[09:16] <fortran01> thanks
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Seveas, beat yah!
[09:16] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, are you talking about about:config?
[09:16] <Seveas> damnit, too slow :)
[09:16] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, yes
[09:16] <hhurtta> bigfoot: open commandline
[09:16] <bigfoot> hhurtta, okay it's open.
[09:16] <Burgundavia> now go to ~/.mozilla
[09:17] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, how do i go to that folder?
[09:17] <Seveas> cd .mozilla
[09:17] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, cd ~/.mozilla
[09:17] <bigfoot> okay i'm in the mozilla folder now.
[09:17] <Seveas> cd firefox
[09:17] <Burgundavia> cd firefox
[09:17] <Burgundavia> ah, beaten again
[09:17] <Seveas> ha, beat ya this time :p
[09:17] <bigfoot> ha!
[09:18] <_seth> HA HA!
[09:18] <Burgundavia> twice in a row, too
[09:18] <bigfoot> done.
[09:18] <Burgundavia> now go into the funny labelled ir
[09:18] <Seveas> cd default<tab>
[09:18] <bigfoot>  cd default<tab>
[09:18] <bigfoot> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[09:18] <freewoody> how do I remove my IP Address from a transparent Squid proxy
[09:19] <Seveas> type a <tab> where i say <tab>
[09:19] <Madpilot> help-giving as a competitive sport. cool.
[09:19] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, which funny labelled ir? (Do you mean "dir")?
[09:19] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:19] <Seveas> it's called default.h6d on my machine
[09:19] <Burgundavia> mine is called iuc7ku06
[09:19] <hhurtta> pressing <tab> completes file / directory names on command line
[09:19] <Burgundavia> iuc7ku06.default
[09:20] <Seveas> cd `ls | grep def` works too :)
[09:20] <undefiend> anyone know of a guide for newbies that explains overall how linux works? I just installed ubuntu and i know next to nothing about how the OS is structured or works
[09:20] <bigfoot> i hit CD<tab>. I got this: cd                      cdparanoia              cdrecord.mmap
[09:20] <bigfoot> cddb-slave2-properties  cdrecord                cdrecord.shm
[09:21] <Seveas> undefiend, read linux for dummies then :)
[09:21] <undefiend> hehe... yeah, i guess i should
[09:21] <tga> undefiend: you might find something at www.ltsp.org
[09:21] <Seveas> bigfoot, in that folder type this: ls
[09:21] <Seveas> tga, don't you mean tldp?
[09:21] <undefiend> tga, ok, i'll check it out, thx :)
[09:21] <hhurtta> bigfoot: not cd<tab> but cd <tab>
[09:21] <hhurtta> there's a space :)
[09:21] <tga> oops :)
[09:21] <tga> undefiend: www.tldp.org :)
[09:22] <undefiend> Seveas, tga, thx :)
[09:22] <tga> sorry, I'm tired
[09:22] <bigfoot> Seveas, dtog3j4p.jeff/ pluginreg.dat  profiles.ini
[09:22] <hhurtta> bigfoot:  then it's the dtog3j4p.jeff
[09:22] <Seveas> bigfoot, type: cd dtog3j4p.jeff
[09:22] <undefiend> what's the difference between hoary and warty?
[09:22] <hhurtta> note that slash. it means its directory
[09:22] <bigfoot> okay, i'm now in that funny directory.
[09:23] <Seveas> good
[09:23] <eater773> dabaSlon--> how to add a theme
[09:23] <Seveas> now type gedit <end the file you want to edit>
[09:23] <|QuaD-_> any american layer here
[09:23] <Seveas> eater773, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[09:23] <fish_wanda> Does anyone know, can   ubuntu use animation svg plz?
[09:24] <fish_wanda> as background
[09:24] <upgrdman> anyone here have raid expierence with ubuntu, and willing to try to help me?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> fish_wanda, yes
[09:25] <tga> upgrdman: software or hardware raid?
[09:25] <Seveas> upgrdman, if you try to install on raid 1, search the wiki for tips. If you have another question: sorry can't help
[09:25] <upgrdman> sw
[09:25] <undefiend> cool! tldp had exactly what i was looking for
[09:26] <bcroq> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu.com (should be easy to fix)
[09:26] <upgrdman> tga, software
[09:26] <upgrdman> Seveas, no it was not an issue to having / on raid1... thanks tho
[09:26] <tga> upgrdman: man mdadm :)
[09:26] <dreco> hu.... running ubuntu 5.04 in vmware... works very well =)
[09:26] <upgrdman> tga, willing to take a look at my unanswered forum post about my issues?
[09:27] <tga> upgrdman: link?
[09:27] <upgrdman> tga, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33783
[09:29] <Xira-> Hehehe
[09:29] <Xira-> My ATA is now 4.3TB
[09:30] <Xira-> And it runs Ubuntu ^_^
[09:30] <upgrdman> what do you need 4.3TB?
[09:30] <upgrdman> 1TB is more than enough for me
[09:30] <Xira-> I store lots and lots of video
[09:30] <upgrdman> o
[09:30] <Xira-> It's nice not to have to worry about running out
[09:30] <tga> upgrdman: you get to play with mdadm, it shouldn't be too hard to create a new raid
[09:30] <upgrdman> dvd-rw? :) just kidding
[09:30] <upgrdman> tga, ok thx
[09:31] <tga> upgrdman: mdadm -C /dev/md1 /dev/hdc /dev/hdd
[09:31] <Xira-> Ubuntu makes an awesome server
[09:31] <Xira-> It's really fast
[09:31] <ivoks> Xira-: what partition table did you create on that?
[09:31] <upgrdman_> tga, would it be like /dev/hdc1, and /dev/hdd1 ?
[09:32] <undefiend> it's kinda slow on my laptop :/ gotta get a newer one
[09:32] <ivoks> Xira-: on my 4TB filesystem, i couldn't create msdos...
[09:32] <tga> upgrdman_: if you're working with full drives just use hdc and hdd, you don't need to partition them
[09:32] <Xira-> ivoks: 1 partiton for each drive
[09:32] <ivoks> ah...
[09:32] <ivoks> that's nothing...
[09:32] <ivoks> give me one partition with 4TB :)
[09:33] <Xira-> well is an ATA setup of several hds
[09:34] <bigfoot> hhurtta, is there a way to edit/access/write to files (with restricted permissions) all in the GUI?
[09:34] <Xira-> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/hddrack.jpg <-- Pic of the stand before my case arrived here
[09:34] <upgrdman_> tga, well they're already partioned with "fd, linux raid autodetect" ... any reason to delete the partitions...?
[09:35] <tga> upgrdman_: not really, but I don't think you need them
[09:36] <tga> upgrdman_: you wouldn't have to delete them anyway, mdadm would overwrite them
[09:36] <tga> Xira-: anything legal on that raid?
[09:36] <upgrdman_> upgrdman@ubuntu-server:~$ sudo mdadm -C /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdd1
[09:36] <upgrdman_> mdadm: /dev/hdc1 does not appear to be an md device
[09:36] <Xira-> most of it is
[09:36] <hhurtta> bigfoot: yes, but that requires some tricks
[09:36] <tga> upgrdman: mdadm -C /dev/md1 /dev/hdc /dev/hdd
[09:36] <Xira-> there is some documentation i'm not supposed to have
[09:37] <hhurtta> its much easier to use commandline
[09:37] <tga> upgrdman: man mdadm, really
[09:37] <Xira-> and some pron that i didnt buy
[09:37] <Xira-> but the rest is legit
[09:37] <Xira-> :P
[09:37] <tga> Xira-: like.. what? I'm having trouble imagining 4T of legit stuff
[09:38] <tga> lotsa high-quality home videos maybe
[09:38] <graham> Much props to anyone who works on ubuntu, this has been the easiest and cleanest, most well support distro I have ever used, just wanted to thank someone! Keep up the good work
[09:38] <upgrdman_> tga, mdadm: error opening /dev/md1: No such file or directory
[09:38] <Xira-> I store a lot of video. I shoot a lot of video. I have a very nice HD camcorder, I rip all of my DVD movies, I store all of my music
[09:38] <Xira-> etc
[09:38] <upgrdman_> what resolution is your camcorder
[09:38] <upgrdman_> and is it progressing or interlaced?
[09:38] <bigfoot> hhurtta, all right. the title bar of command line shows home/jeff/.mozilla/firefox/dtog3j4p.jeff. But when I try to find this location using Nautilus, the farthest I can go is "/home/jeff" . WHere is it?
[09:38] <tga> upgrdman_: look at the man page, in the Examples section
[09:39] <tga> upgrdman_:          mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hd[ac] 1
[09:39] <_seth> bigfoot, Hold Ctrl and press H.
[09:39] <hhurtta> bigfoot: nautilus doesnt show hidden files or directories by default
[09:39] <hhurtta> the ones that start with dot
[09:39] <_seth> You can't view hidden. You need to do what I said in order for them to be viewable,
[09:39] <Xira-> Most of it is 1280 x 720
[09:39] <Xira-> standard HD on most TVs
[09:39] <tga> upgrdman_: in your case mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hdc /dev/hdd
[09:39] <chocoIate> how can i copy files into a floppy in ubuntu and be able to read the floppy on windows ;
[09:40] <Xira-> upgrdman: Well, there's a lot of 'clips' and  quite a few projects weaved together
[09:40] <Xira-> I do a lot of editing
[09:40] <tga> chocoIate: you just do, ubuntu can deal with fat32 just fine
[09:40] <IRCTroll> floppies can be fat16 or ext2
[09:40] <chocoIate> well, when i throw in a regular floppy disk that formatted fat i'm unable to copy anything in there
[09:40] <upgrdman_> upgrdman@ubuntu-server:~$ sudo mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdd1
[09:40] <upgrdman_> mdadm: error opening /dev/md1: No such file or directory
[09:41] <rahchacha> I need help
[09:41] <rahchacha> please!
[09:41] <Xira-> rahchacha: we can try
[09:41] <rahchacha> why does my computer reboot when loading xwindows?
[09:41] <chocoIate> oh, fat16 ; maybe my floppies were formatted fat32 then :S
[09:41] <chocoIate> lemme check :P
[09:42] <Burgundavia> rahchacha, are you running breezy?
[09:42] <rahchacha> after install.... i installed it okay.... and it decompressed all the packages and then when it looks like Gnome is starting, my computer reboots... i have a 64-bit amd and it did it both with the 32-bit and 64-bit version of the os
[09:43] <rahchacha> is breezy the 64-bit version?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> no, just checking. Breezy is the next development version. Kind of broken right now
[09:43] <rahchacha> ah
[09:43] <chocoIate> well they are fat16 it seems ; i dont get it then. I tried to copy and ubuntu choked
[09:43] <Xira-> My Mac Mini sets on top of my PowerMac G5 beautifully :)
[09:44] <rahchacha> so, any ideas guys?
[09:44] <rahchacha> i really want to run it... it look so pretty.....
[09:44] <gwilym> Can anyone give me a hand please? I'm trying Ubuntu out, and so far am very happy with it. The only thing I'd like to change is that, at present, when I'm not connected to the web and start up my laptop, it gets as far as a message saying something lke "setting time from ntp.ubuntu....", and  then pauses for a long time. Is there a way of changing the timeout? Thanks
[09:44] <Tomcat_> gwilym: Change the "timeout" setting in /etc/dhc..../.conf
[09:45] <Tomcat_> gwilym: Don't set it too low or you won't get an IP from your DHCP server.
[09:45] <Tomcat_> gwilym: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[09:45] <rahchacha> ???
[09:46] <graham_> I assume Nautilis is the default file manager/viewer... is there anyway to make it show the full path when opening up a folder?  If I open "FIle Browser" from the System Tools menu it looks perfect but if I open any folder it doesn't have it.
[09:46] <chocoIate> is mtools a package in ubuntu by default or do i need to download it ; seems to be the tool i must be using :S
[09:46] <bob2> chocoIate: you'll need to install it
[09:47] <gwilym> Thanks Tomcat. I've just looked in there, and everything  seems commented out. Is there a different file to use instead?
[09:47] <graham_> and I can't seem to find any config for the File Browser that has these options.. when you open a folder there is no "View" menu
[09:48] <Tomcat_> gwilym: No, it's correct... You need to uncomment the timeout line, or create your own. When everything is commented out, it uses the default setting: 60 seconds
[09:48] <michel_>  is petroleum available?
[09:48] <chocoIate> a much better option for me would be to be able to write to a drive that is formatted ntfs ; i got dual booth on my system with windows xp ; is it possible to share a drive btw windowsxp and ubuntu, that will make it so much easier for me to share files
[09:48] <Tomcat_> gwilym: So, if you've got no DHCP server in reach, it will wait 60 seconds before going on.
[09:48] <chocoIate> bob2 : i dont find mtools listed as a package by default in ubuntu :o
[09:49] <bob2> chocoIate: then you need to let it access repositories across the intarweb
[09:49] <gwilym> Lovely. Thanks very much :-)
[09:49] <bob2> michel_: you can check...http://packages.debian.org/
[09:49] <bob2> chocoIate: mtools can't write to ntfs any more than the kernel can
[09:49] <rahchacha> so so if fucked?
[09:49] <rahchacha> im fucked*?
[09:49] <Tomcat_> gwilym: It should be possible to put dhcp in background, like Knoppix does, but I have no idea how they do it.
[09:50] <chocoIate> all i want to do is copy a file i have in linux to a floppy and read it in windowsxp
[09:50] <bob2> rahchacha: did you check if the cd was ok?
[09:50] <chocoIate> this does not seem possible however :S
[09:50] <bob2> chocoIate: you don't need mtools for that
[09:50] <bob2> chocoIate: it's trivial
[09:50] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo mout -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[09:50] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo cp /home/blah/bleh.txt /mnt/
[09:50] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo umount /mnt
[09:50] <rahchacha> well, it did the same thing for both 32-bit and 64-bit installs.... and the 32-bit cd worked on my friends box
[09:51] <chocoIate> what do those commands do bob2 :P
[09:51] <rahchacha> so i dont think its the cds
[09:51] <graham_> Is there anyway to make Nautilis automatically do the "Browse" function upon double clicking?
[09:51] <bob2> rahchacha: perhaps your hardware is broken.  have you checked with another OS?
[09:51] <Tomcat_> chocoIate: Mount the floppy disk drive, copy a file to it, then unmount it.
[09:51] <bob2> graham_: try asking on the ubuntu user list
[09:51] <jansen> when i update my ubuntu to breeze,some problem!!!
[09:51] <bob2> jansen: don't use breezy
[09:51] <gwilym> Background sounds good, but a lower timeout will do me fine for now - I'll just give it a go now. Brb
[09:51] <Tomcat_> jansen: See the topic? :)
[09:51] <rahchacha> other os works fine....
[09:51] <chocoIate> ok thanks :)
[09:51] <graham_> bob2: ok
[09:51] <rahchacha> windowz and mandrake
[09:51] <rahchacha> both work
[09:52] <bob2> rahchacha: ok
[09:52] <rahchacha> :(
[09:52] <bob2> rahchacha: try asking for help on the user list
[09:52] <rahchacha> wheres that?
[09:52] <bob2> rahchacha: please don't /msg people
[09:52] <rahchacha> sorry
[09:52] <bob2> rahchacha: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[09:52] <rahchacha> thanks.
[09:53] <jansen> but i wanna restore it to hoary,but failure!
[09:54] <fortran01> Is it possible to create the repository trees in my local disk? Can you suggest a doc to do this?
[09:54] <bob2> jansen: you can't, you have to reinstall
[09:54] <bob2> fortran01: to mirror the ubuntu archive?  you can do that, one sec, I'll get the url.
[09:54] <bob2> bear in mind it's > 10GB per architecture
[09:55] <jansen> bob2 omg
[09:55] <fortran01> do you have a doc that discusses how ubuntu structures these packages?
[09:55] <fortran01> bob2: do you have a doc that discusses how ubuntu structures these packages?
[09:55] <bob2> jansen: this is why everyone told you to not upgrade
[09:55] <bob2> jansen: and why it's in the channel topic
[09:56] <IIIEars> fortran - adding packages during a fresh install? "reseed" answer file in the iso?
[09:57] <Xira-> http://www.newworldvideogames.com/E3%202005/Storm%20Troopers%202.JPG
[09:57] <Xira-> rofl
[09:57] <fortran01> IIIEars: can't get what you are implying
[09:57] <holycow> jansen, its not a big deal.  backup your data and reinstall
[09:57] <holycow> ubuntu / debian installs are super simple
[09:57] <bob2> fortran01: it's the same structure as debian...let me find the document
[09:58] <jansen> holycow thx
[09:58] <jansen> thx all
[09:58] <IIIEars> there is an "answer file" as part of the initial install that can be modified - for unattended install - a lot of options possible there
[09:58] <bob2> fortran01: http://www.interparse.com/debianmirror/
[09:58] <HeMan> Hi! Is anyone having problems with ctrl-key i gnome?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> HeMan, known bug in Breezy
[09:59] <HeMan> Burgundavia: ah! thanks!
[09:59] <fortran01> thanks bob2 and IIIEars
[09:59] <HeMan> Guess i have to live with that since I live on the "edge"...
[09:59] <graham_> Does anyone have a suggestion for what I should use/download for a media player (mp3 / dvd) ?
[09:59] <graham_> is Mplayer the best one?
[10:00] <HeMan> Burgundavia: You know who works on the problem?
[10:00] <bob2> graham_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:00] <Burgundavia> HeMan, probably daniels, and it is 9am where he is
[10:00] <saber_> ssh key authentication is very cool. i'll never type a password again :)
[10:00] <Burgundavia> HeMan, so don't bug him
[10:01] <HeMan> Burgundavia: *s* I'd like to offer some help...
[10:01] <jansen> can i interchange the apt source between the ubuntu & debian?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> jansen, you shouldn't but you can
[10:04] <jansen> thx all,i must be reinstall ubuntu.byebye!
[10:07] <chocoIate> ok finally, i'm trying to build a linux driver for the sm56 motorola modem as of instructions from here --->> http://www.sm56.tk the driver is in the download section ; however i end up with the following errors as i try the 'make install' command ; http://pastebot.nd.edu/902
[10:07] <chocoIate> can someone help me fix those errors and get a successful build
[10:08] <chocoIate> unfortunately this is my entry into the linux world and it seems as a noob i'm expected to build a driver for my modem :/
[10:09] <Encrypted> chocoIate, apt-get install gcc
[10:09] <bob2> it's easier if you have reasonable hardware
[10:09] <bob2> chocoIate: no, install build-essential
[10:10] <NicP> whats the rename command in bash?
[10:10] <kestas> and then it said 'DriverName' it probably meant the name of your driver..
[10:10] <bob2> NicP: mv
[10:10] <NicP> thanks
[10:10] <bob2> NicP: it's a general unix thing, not bash-specific
[10:11] <NicP> cool
[10:11] <NicP> so i guess you can move stuff too then
[10:11] <NicP> :D
[10:11] <holycow> http://www.cxotoday.com/cxo/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=3870&cat_id=908  <-- thankfully we are moving away from being in their statistical demographic
[10:11] <chocoIate> well, i will eventually try and get the proper hardware that is linux friendly however in the meantime i want to try and use what i have ; this is my internal modem by the way which is a 56k modem which i do not even use. My external ISDN modem on usb is detected wrongly by ubuntu as some other brand unfortunately :/
[10:11] <bob2> chocoIate: the brand doesn't matter
[10:11] <holycow> i love how they manage to ratchet up the numbers of dollars lost due to piracy
[10:11] <chocoIate> so, i need to run 'install build-essential'
[10:12] <chocoIate> and then try the 'make install' command :o
[10:12] <bob2> there's probably only 3 isdn manufacturers in the world
[10:12] <bob2> chocoIate: no, you install the build-essential package
[10:12] <bob2> chocoIate: however you normally install packages
[10:12] <chocoIate> ah ok, is the 'build-essential' package there by default or do i have to download it first
[10:12] <bob2> chocoIate: you have to install it
[10:12] <bob2> chocoIate: apt will download it automatically if neccessary
[10:13] <chocoIate> sorry i cannot verify until i log out of here and booth on ubuntu, i'm on winxp right now my modem not working and all :P
[10:13] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[10:13] <chocoIate> ok ; hopefully its already there by default
[10:13] <chocoIate> thanks, brb
[10:13] <bob2> well, it won't be
[10:13] <bob2> but it should be on the CD
[10:14] <chocoIate> and by the way,  is there any possibilities to fixing my incorrectly identified usb external isdn modem :o
[10:14] <Madpilot> holycow: shouldn't admit this, but running Ubuntu is the 1st time in 5yrs I've had a legal OS on my PC... :)
[10:14] <bob2> it really doesn't matter what brand it claims it is
[10:14] <chocoIate> all i find online is some driver and guides as to how to do it for an avm isdn modem which i do not have unfortunately
[10:14] <kestas> chocoIate: if it was identified its probably fine
[10:14] <Kimppa> Does anyone know a good tutorial on installing SSL on my LAMP?
[10:14] <chocoIate> well, its not working :S
[10:15] <Pupeno> Hello
[10:15] <chocoIate> i just know its identified when going in the device manager
[10:15] <kestas> chocoIate: did you configure it to use your isp?
[10:15] <Pupeno> I'm considering switching to ubuntu, but before, I have some questions.
[10:15] <holycow> Madpilot, heh, 5 years only?
[10:15] <chocoIate> i ran the detect modem command in administrator - networks
[10:15] <holycow> i've only paid for win98 that came with that machine ... oh and dos
[10:15] <Pupeno> Is it, unlike other distros, a *real* for of Debian, with its own repository having life of its own ?
[10:15] <kestas> Ive got xp oem
[10:16] <bob2> Pupeno: of course
[10:16] <chocoIate> but it came up with nothing, i guess coz its on usb probably, still i do not find any guidelines anywhere as to how to configure an isdn modem
[10:16] <Pupeno> bob2: good :)
[10:16] <chocoIate> the one in the wiki is specific to the avm isdn modem
[10:16] <Madpilot> holycow: well, before that I didn't own my own comp, so just 5yrs, ya...
[10:16] <chocoIate> i do not own an avm modem
[10:16] <Pupeno> If I make a package (something that is very likely to happen, sooner or latter), what should I do to contribute back ?
[10:16] <holycow> Pupeno, the distro basically freezes debian unstable every six months, polishes and ads a few things
[10:16] <holycow> Pupeno, the patches are submitted back to debian
[10:16] <bob2> Pupeno: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:16] <holycow> win / win
[10:18] <jsgotangco> look for dholbach or ogra
[10:18] <holycow> Madpilot, ehe :)
[10:18] <holycow> Madpilot, is ubuntu your first linux distro install?
[10:19] <Madpilot> holycow: yes, 98 & XP before last week. total linux noob here...
[10:19] <chocoIate> see this is all i found and its specific to avm-fritz, if i'm not wrong -->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary
[10:19] <holycow> Madpilot, cool, welcome
[10:19] <holycow> its not a perfect world, but then nothing is
[10:20] <holycow> hopefully your having fun
[10:20] <Madpilot> holycow: it's mostly fun. really like the sound/vid apps that U installs w/
[10:20] <Madpilot> holycow: but I really, really miss Photoshop... :(
[10:21] <chocoIate> bob2 : you think i missed something from here or am i right to think that this guide is specific to Avm-fritz ISDN modem -->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary
[10:21] <bob2> I don't know
[10:21] <bob2> usb isdn sounds pretty nasty, tho
[10:21] <chocoIate> what modem do you have
[10:22] <gwilym> Can anyone give a hanp please. When I reboot without a network connection, I get to the stage of "synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.orp...", and then there's a pause for a long time. I came on here a minute ago, and have tried changing my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include "timeout 15;", but it still did the same thing on rebooting
[10:22] <holycow> Madpilot, gimp can do all but a few things ps can
[10:22] <holycow> and gimp of course can do a lot ps cannot
[10:22] <bob2> chocoIate: I have a dsl modem, but all my machines just use ethernet to get on line anyway
[10:22] <chocoIate> ah ok
[10:22] <holycow> Madpilot, i had to sit down and work on a commercial project for about 2 day to unlearn ps
[10:22] <NicP> can you edit in cmyk in gimp?
[10:22] <Amaranth> smeg 0.6 might not have DnD support for moving entries, it's being a PITA right now and it messes with editable cells
[10:22] <bob2> chocoIate: are you sure you don't have a avm modem?
[10:22] <bob2> chocoIate: it's the chipset that matters, not the name on the box
[10:22] <Madpilot> holycow: need to get used to the GIMP, that's all. was pretty good w/ PS, need to spend a weekend w/ the GIMP..
[10:23] <chocoIate> what modem do you recommend i get ; i just cannot find anything in the market that specifically says it works in linux
[10:23] <liable> gwilym: just hit ctrl+c when it comes up
[10:23] <chocoIate> well, i do not know what chipset i have :S
[10:23] <bob2> chocoIate: for isdn/ isdn never really took off outside germany, afaict, so it's hard to find people who know much about it
[10:23] <gwilym> Thanks Liable
[10:23] <bob2> er, "for isdn?"
[10:23] <chocoIate> yep isdn
[10:24] <bob2> gwilym: why isn't your network working at boot?
[10:24] <chocoIate> i could try the steps here ---> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary but i dont think i understand any of the steps like here it says :
[10:24] <chocoIate> add capi to /etc/modules
[10:24] <holycow> Madpilot, just keep in mind that you litterally haveto deprogram from it, you will love what it can do :)
[10:24] <chocoIate> what is that supposed to mean :S
[10:24] <gwilym> It normally works fine, but when I take my laptop home we don't have an internet connection there (boo hiss)
[10:24] <chocoIate> all i understand is step 1 lol
[10:24] <graham_> I am having trouble finding "gstreamer0.8-mad" even in Universe... There are tons of gstreamer packages but that one just isn't showing up... does anyone know what is up?
[10:24] <bob2> chocoIate: that means open /etc/modules in your normal text editor and add the word "capi" on one line by itself, no quotes
[10:24] <Madpilot> holycow: deprogramming from PS? the Cult of Adobe lives! :)
[10:24] <holycow> Madpilot, when you combine gnome, multiple desktops, and the fact that gimp is not constrained by mdi ...
[10:25] <chocoIate> ok, i think i did that then
[10:25] <bob2> graham_: using hoary?
[10:25] <chocoIate> and it never worked
[10:25] <graham_> bob2: yes
[10:25] <bob2> chocoIate: well, perhaps you did it wrong
[10:25] <chocoIate> or should i proceed to the pci steps also
[10:25] <gwilym> apart from that tiny glitch I've really enjoyed ubuntu so far
[10:25] <holycow> ... and you combine linux' awesome memory management (you wont be swapping all the time like on windows, especially if you have tons of ram) ...
[10:25] <bob2> gwilym: well, it is in universe
[10:25] <bob2> chocoIate: you don't have a pci modem, so no.
[10:25] <holycow> its an amazing platform to do graphic design on
[10:25] <Madpilot> holycow: know what u mean tho, i keep trying PS keybrd shortcuts in the GIMP and then swearing...
[10:25] <bob2> gwilym: you won't have the delay if you stop ubuntu bringing the interface up on boot
[10:26] <npiv> how do I change the option to open video files with totem, I want mplayer to take care of that, ?
[10:26] <graham_> bob2: does the package still exist?
[10:26] <gwilym> how would I do that?
[10:26] <chocoIate> well, i guess its specific to avm fritz then and wont work with my modem :/
[10:26] <holycow> Madpilot, yes that got me too
[10:26] <Madpilot> does anyone know if a Ubuntu-specific GIMPshop pack is being worked on?
[10:27] <chocoIate> brb, i'll try to get the package and run the make install as you suggested and hopefully it will build successfully :P
[10:27] <holycow> Madpilot, i actually made a mistake by trying the ps shortcuts for imp (they are there you just haveto turn them on)
[10:27] <chocoIate> atleast i'll have a 56k modem working which is better than nothing at this point
[10:27] <holycow> Madpilot, i found that the problem with ps like gimp is that you only get like 50% of the way there to ps, but its still not ps
[10:27] <Madpilot> holycow: does stock GIMP have PS shortcuts included somewhere?
[10:27] <chocoIate> much easier to ask for help when i'm in linux and connected online :P
[10:27] <saber_> does DDR needs to be used in pairs? or can it be used in singles?
[10:28] <holycow> Madpilot, so it ended up feeling like a retarded step child, instead i just decided to learn gimp shortcuts
[10:28] <holycow> that was a lot easier, the only one i had to change was wand of course, a wand is a wand :)
[10:28] <holycow> Madpilot, yes, google it
[10:28] <Madpilot> holycow: yeah, 'going native' is probably the best way to go.
[10:28] <IIIEars> saber - I have used 3200 DDR in single
[10:28] <holycow> you just haveto copy a file to your gimp dir and rename it or something
[10:28] <holycow> Madpilot, whatever works for you, just relaying my experience
[10:28] <saber_> oh ok.
[10:28] <graham_> exit
[10:28] <fortran01> saber_: ddr?
[10:29] <saber_> yes, fortran
[10:29] <IIIEars> double data rate ram
[10:29] <Madpilot> holycow: will google for the PS shortcuts. thnx for the tip.
[10:29] <liable> gwilym: you can comment out the first line for your eth iface in /etc/network/interfaces (the auto line)
[10:29] <fortran01> aahh
[10:30] <saber_> time for bed. later people
[10:30] <liable> gwilym: then you can bring it up with 'ifup eth0' (or whatever it is)
[10:30] <Amaranth> arg, this is messed up
[10:30] <Amaranth> i can't seem anything that could be wrong but my callbacks never get called and the drag is rejected :/
[10:31] <fortran01> Does totem play dvd with libdvdcss2 installed?
[10:31] <_seth> Delphi is a Win32 based language right?
[10:31] <kestas> yup its directx
[10:31] <_seth> You hear about the latest sploit from M$?
[10:32] <kestas> nope
[10:32] <_seth> Not FROM microsoft, but that is in Windows.
[10:32] <gwilym> Liable: Thanks - I'll probably stick with your ctrl-c shortcut for the moment. Thanks for the help
[10:32] <Madpilot> windows security nightmares - one thing I WON'T miss... :)
[10:32] <_seth> They have a flaw in the way they implement TCP/IP and it allows a remote reset of a Win2K or XP machine.
[10:32] <liable> gwilym: yah, much easier :)
[10:33] <gwilym> :) cheers. Bye for now
[10:33] <goldfish> _seth: got a link ?
[10:33] <Madpilot> _seth: that's just to make it easier to hit CTRL-ALT-DEL. it's a feature not a bug
[10:34] <_seth> goldfish, http://www.frsirt.com/exploits/04232004.tcp-exploit.php for C code.
[10:34] <aj> can anyone confirm whether a DWL-122 USB wireless adaptor works with Ubuntu ppc?
[10:34] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[10:34] <fortran01> Why can't I play dvd in totem? I can see that libdvdcss2 is already installed. Is it possible with totem?
[10:34] <kestas> meh dos is pretty pointless
[10:34] <kestas> no-onell use it really
[10:34] <kestas> *DoS
[10:34] <goldfish> _seth: thanks
[10:35] <_seth> goldfish, I'm seeing if it works on my network right now.
[10:35] <bob2> fortran01: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, I don't think it's possible with totem
[10:35] <johnnybezak> whats the cli name for thunderbird
[10:35] <johnnybezak> dont worry got it
[10:35] <_seth> johnnybezak, mozilla-thunderbird to launch it from CL.
[10:36] <fortran01> bob2: I've tried it in mandriva. How about mplayer?
[10:36] <bob2> fortran01: yes, same file
[10:36] <johnnybezak> _seth: whys that firefox is just firefox
[10:37] <johnnybezak> woot! someone has been assigned my bug :D
[10:37] <_seth> johnnybezak, *shrug* For me, it is mozilla-thunderbird and mozilla-firefox
[10:37] <fortran01> bob2: you mean same libdvdcss2?
[10:37] <johnnybezak> _seth: ill make an alias
[10:37] <bob2> fortran01: same url, I meant
[10:37] <johnnybezak> where do i put aliases?
[10:37] <_seth> Er, nevermind, I feel like a retard.
[10:37] <johnnybezak> dammit i bought a shitty mouse this week, makes me want to get a good one now.
[10:37] <fortran01> thanks much bob2
[10:38] <bob2> johnnybezak: ~/.bashrc
[10:38] <johnnybezak> bob2: thnx
[10:38] <johnnybezak> another bash question
[10:38] <johnnybezak> i want to have a program start everytime bash does. does that go in the .bashrc too
[10:38] <johnnybezak> ?
[10:39] <kestas> yup
[10:39] <johnnybezak> dammit that .bashrc file looks complicated
[10:39] <johnnybezak> mandriva, that is the dumbest name ever
[10:39] <bob2> johnnybezak: what program?
[10:39] <johnnybezak> birthday
[10:39] <bob2> that's more complicated
[10:39] <bob2> you don't want it to run from ~/.bashrc
[10:40] <johnnybezak> where do i want it to run from?
[10:40] <bob2> it depends
[10:40] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is great but linux on the whole is scarey - giving anyone with even a casual interest the ability to compile source code for exploits easily is just plain frightening.
[10:40] <bob2> do you *really* want it to run everytime you start a gnome-terminal or whatever?
[10:40] <bob2> IIIEars: er, how does linux change that at all?
[10:41] <npiv> IIIEars - theyre called script kiddies
[10:41] <IIIEars> lol - M$ brain washed? - "source code is bad..."
[10:41] <bob2> IIIEars: you can compile exploits on windows, too
[10:42] <kestas> people use cygwin to use exploits written for linux on windows
[10:42] <kestas> but we cant use ones written for windows on linux
[10:42] <johnnybezak> bob2: yep
[10:42] <IIIEars> it would take a day to set up the compiler and debugger.
[10:42] <kestas> so linux is worse for exploits really
[10:42] <npiv> And they Use VS .net to crash their own system
[10:42] <npiv> MS is veryversatile
[10:42] <fortran01> Are there repositories for proprietary drivers?
[10:42] <edwin> what r u guyz chatting abt
[10:42] <bob2> presumably installing visual studio doesn't actually yake a day
[10:42] <bob2> fortran01: ubuntu tends to just include them in the linux-restricted-modules packages
[10:42] <edwin> I just joined in
[10:42] <npiv> bob2,  wait till you get to the MSDN, its forever
[10:43] <bob2> johnnybezak: then put it in ~/.bash_profile, as the last line
[10:43] <johnnybezak> bob2: thanks man
[10:43] <chocoIate> back
[10:43] <johnnybezak> i'm horrible with birthdays and important dates
[10:43] <chocoIate> bob2 : new erorrs http://pastebot.nd.edu/903
[10:43] <fortran01> bob2: is that a repository I can add? Or I need to join a club or something?
[10:43] <chocoIate> :/
[10:43] <johnnybezak> so i need birthday :)
[10:44] <bob2> fortran01: eh? it's just a package to install...I'm pretty sure it's on the CD.
[10:44] <johnnybezak> bob2: it didn't do anything
[10:44] <eater773> dabaSlop --> still there ???
[10:44] <bob2> johnnybezak: now, go to the gnome-terminal options and configure it to make "login shells by default" or something
[10:45] <eater773> why is it every new floppy.. will i unmount & remount ???
[10:45] <rudi1234> hi@all
[10:45] <trondd> wow, vpnc is using 40% of my cpu! Is this normal (I need a dualcore just to run vpnc...)
[10:45] <bob2> eater773: yes
[10:45] <johnnybezak> bob2: roger that
[10:46] <shido6> I have windows media player playing files in ubuntu, but no audio
[10:46] <eater773> bob2 -->why is it every new floppy.. will i unmount & remount ??? is there anyother way...
[10:46] <shido6> how do I fix this?
[10:46] <fortran01> So does that mean Ubuntu has a lot to offer, because I need not be a club member or pay something to download proprietary packages, unlike Mandr*va?
[10:46] <Xira-> um
[10:46] <Xira-> read the front page of ubuntu.com
[10:46] <chocoIate> http://lists.progeny.com/archive/anaconda-workers/200312/msg00047.html <-- someone here is saying that the person needs kernel-headers-2.4.18..
[10:46] <Xira-> thx
[10:46] <chocoIate> hmm
[10:46] <bob2> eater773: not really
[10:46] <johnnybezak> bob2: hmm set it
[10:47] <johnnybezak> bob2: still nothing
[10:47] <eater773> so... pls. tell me... how to..
[10:47] <bob2> eater773: how often are you using floppies?
[10:47] <chocoIate> i have installed the proper kernel headers as of instructions from "how to build a driver"
[10:47] <liable> chocoIate: to compile a modem? yes you generally do
[10:47] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:47] <eater773> most of the time.... we need it to make copy of some file....
[10:47] <liable> chocoIate: and sorce too
[10:47] <liable> *source
[10:47] <shido6> using crossover
[10:48] <eater773> bob2-->most of the time.... we need it to make copy of some file....
[10:48] <bob2> eater773: there's no better way, sorry
[10:48] <chocoIate> i dont believe in isntalled source
[10:48] <chocoIate> but headers i did surely
[10:48] <howdyDoody> is there something in ubuntu for converting avi to mpeg2 and putting them on a dvd with menus like nerovision express?
[10:48] <liable> chocoIate: should say in the readme
[10:48] <bob2> chocoIate: you did install build-essential, right?
[10:48] <eater773> bob2-> so i will remount & mount every new floppy....
[10:49] <chocoIate> i found two types of headers and installed both since i didnt know which one to chooose : 1. linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34_i386.deb and 2. linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[10:49] <fortran01> eater773: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html
[10:49] <bob2> chocoIate: 18:47:36           bob2 | chocoIate: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:49] <chocoIate> install again :o
[10:49] <eater773> fortran01 -> browsing.... ok.....
[10:49] <chocoIate> ok, i'll try
[10:49] <chocoIate> brb
[10:51] <Kimppa> Hi. How can I install windows-fonts?
[10:52] <bob2> Kimppa: install the msttcorefonts package
[10:52] <Kimppa> thanks
[10:52] <rudi1234> can i disable the hotplug subsystem?
[10:52] <bob2> rudi1234: why?
[10:52] <bob2> and no, not without breaking large numbers of things
[10:53] <rudi1234> ok thnx
[10:53] <bob2> why do you want to disable it?
[10:53] <_seth> What does everyone use to rip MP3s or OGG, whatever codec you use.
[10:54] <rudi1234> bob2,  sry my english :(
[10:54] <trondd> oggenc
[10:54] <eater773> fortran01-> so there is no way to auto mount & umount in ubuntu.. mandrake has a command automount....
[10:54] <Madpilot> _seth: Sound Juicer is stock, and seems to work fine.
[10:54] <bob2> _seth: abcde works excellently
[10:54] <_seth> Any rippers have CDDB support?
[10:54] <bob2> _seth: all of them do
[10:54] <Madpilot> already ripped a bunch of my CDs; never got around to that in Windows...
[10:54] <eater773> fotran01->i know there is still a way to this....
[10:54] <Shufla> hi :D
[10:55] <_seth> bob2, I mean connecting and getting the information on the CD.
[10:55] <bob2> most are configured to use freedb by default, tho
[10:55] <bob2> _seth: of course, I've never seen one that doesn't
[10:55] <_seth> Sound Juicer isn't for me.
[10:56] <eater773> bob2-> i have a  Asus cd writer ... can nero be used in linux and burn cd without problem ??/
[10:56] <bob2> eater773: if you want to buy nero, sure...
[10:56] <bob2> but why bother? nautilus works for data cds, and there's tons of other choices for other weird formats.
[10:56] <_seth> eater773, why use Nero under Linux? That means setting up Wine or Crossover,
[10:56] <_seth> Serious eater773, get gnomebaker. It's great.
[10:57] <IIIEars> Hm - I don't see any binaries in /usr/games/bin the game i would like to build install will use that directory. what will it need there?
[10:57] <howdyDoody> you can get nero for linux now
[10:57] <bob2> _seth: eh? no, they released a native port.
[10:57] <_seth> bob2, they did?!
[10:57] <howdyDoody> free if you have bought windows nero
[10:57] <eater773> seth -> gnomebaker.... is that free ???
[10:57] <_seth> eater773, yes it is.
[10:57] <trondd> eater773: take a look at k3b!
[10:57] <eater773> browsing ... ok..
[10:57] <IIIEars> After a succesful install i would like to translate it to a .deb - can you point me to a page on that?
[10:58] <ice_1963> k3b is the Best
[10:58] <johnnybezak> bob2: any ideas why birthday isn't showing up, its set as a login shell, but it still wont show, it just goes to the prompt as per usual?
[10:58] <bob2> IIIEars: you can't, really. just install it to /usr/local/whatever/
[10:58] <johnnybezak> IIIEars: what are you building?
[10:58] <IIIEars> If i install this my wife won't miss windows and i'll be a hero.
[10:58] <bob2> johnnybezak: paste your ~/.bash_history somewhere
[10:58] <shinzui> hi all
[10:59] <shinzui> any AMD64 or 3ware escalade users tonight?
[10:59] <IIIEars> XScrabble-2.10.tgz
[10:59] <_seth> My god. My system only rips at 1.3x.....
[10:59] <IIIEars> there is an earlier text oly version - my wife laughed
[11:00] <johnnybezak> bob2: its in #humma
[11:00] <bob2> _seth: lots of cdrom drives suck
[11:00] <bob2> and most tools on linux default to using cdparanoia -z
[11:00] <IIIEars> honestly so did i except it took about 1/2 for a newb like me to install - lol
[11:00] <chocoIate> bob2 : http://pastebot.nd.edu/904
[11:00] <bob2> johnnybezak: put it online or #flood
[11:00] <chocoIate> seems like i have the headers already :S
[11:00] <liable> chocoIate: that howto specifically says, you need kernel source, so of you go again :)
[11:00] <chocoIate> oops :X
[11:01] <_seth> bob2, this is an Inspiron 8100.  It's cute, and it purrs a lot.
[11:03] <IIIEars> _seth - cats are evil - lol - trust me we have two here.
[11:03] <chocoIate> gonna take forever on 128kbps :P
[11:03] <_seth> This cat reminds me of all the stoner friends I used to have.
[11:03] <chocoIate> gonna try it now and hopefully it will build correctly this time :S
[11:03] <liable> chocoIate: yep, but you have to have it, do it overnight
[11:03] <johnnybezak> bob2: nope
[11:03] <_seth> My wife scared them all off, so I like to look back at all the good times we had.
[11:03] <IIIEars> _seth - what rolled up a bit of catnip first ten minutes inside?
[11:04] <Encrypted> anyone know if its possible t get debootstrap to output useful information ?
[11:04] <johnnybezak> _seth: you'll probably get used to it
[11:04] <Encrypted> keep getting E: Couldn't download grepmap
[11:04] <_seth> johnnybezak, no I won't, because I'm taking it to the shelter tomorrow.
[11:04] <bob2> johnnybezak: interesting
[11:04] <bob2> Encrypted: can you download it manually?
[11:04] <bob2> Encrypted: also, archive.ubuntu.com is down atm, if that's what youre using
[11:05] <Encrypted> bob2, that would be the problem then.. thx
[11:05] <Encrypted> any good mirror ?
[11:05] <IIIEars> _seth - one word for you about pets "gerbil" -  play with them when you want to, they eat very little, and localise the mess. - rofl
[11:05] <bob2> I'd say wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive, but all our machines seem unavailable
[11:06] <_seth> bob2, you an ubuntu dev?
[11:06] <eater773> set2-> how install this one...
[11:06] <bob2> no, I just work for canonical
[11:06] <_seth> Who?
[11:06] <bob2> johnnybezak: it works for me
[11:06] <bob2> _seth: the company funding ubuntu
[11:07] <bob2> ie, I wirk with the ubuntu developers
[11:07] <_seth> Ah, I see.
[11:07] <eater773> seth-> how install this one...
[11:07] <_seth> eater773, why didn't you use do apt-get install gnomebaker
[11:07] <yfir> bob2: how successful has canonical's comercial support thing been? just curious
[11:07] <choco1ate> liable : http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/Read.scanModem/DriverCompiling.txt <-- here they only ask to install the headers, no mention of source
[11:07] <bob2> johnnybezak: make the last line of ~/.bash_profile "ls", and try "ssh localhost" (if you have an ssh server up)
[11:08] <bob2> yfir: I still have a job ;)
[11:08] <IIIEars> (crosses fingers and hope you all get rich)
[11:08] <choco1ate> this is the guide i'm trying to follow, you think i should by default have the source already installed :o
[11:08] <choco1ate> is that what they are assuming :S
[11:08] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok
[11:08] <bob2> johnnybezak: then you should see a listing for your home dir when you ssh in
[11:08] <liable> choco1ate: I have compiled many smartlink modems, and it *does* need kernel source
[11:08] <liable> one sec
[11:08] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah it worked
[11:08] <johnnybezak> bob2: ill try it with birthdya
[11:09] <bob2> ok
[11:10] <johnnybezak> bob2: wierd didn't work
[11:10] <johnnybezak> bob2: thanks anyway gotta go to the super
[11:10] <liable> choco1ate: that does say, it works on debian, so you should be right, so try it I spose, I have always made me own.
[11:10] <_seth> I need to go have a smoke then get some sleep. Been awake since 4am Tuesday.
[11:11] <Madpilot> is there a Ubuntu prog that will capture streaming audio?
[11:12] <choco1ate> yes but i have errors now as i try to make a build
[11:12] <liable> paste it
[11:12] <bob2> Madpilot: mplayer
[11:13] <choco1ate> this is my latest build error -->> http://pastebot.nd.edu/903
[11:14] <liable> choco1ate: shouldnt you be using 'sudo make'?
[11:14] <choco1ate> well the error is : /usr/include/asm/smp.h:73:26: mach_apicdef.h: No such file or directory
[11:15] <bob2> well, that file is in my kernel headers
[11:15] <bob2> but this is 2.6.10, not <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:15] <verden01> does anyone know if the australian mirror is down?
[11:15] <Madpilot> bob2: thanks, will look into that tomorrow.... er, today. Is 0218 here, got to be @ work far too soon.
[11:15] <Madpilot> thanks all, got some good info here tonight.
[11:15] <liable> choco1ate: thats a header, try 'sudo make' 'sudo make install'
[11:16] <choco1ate> you think its a permissions problem :o
[11:16] <bob2> verden01: everything in the UK datacentre is down
[11:16] <bob2> (au.archive.ubuntu.com points at archive.ubuntu.com)
[11:16] <choco1ate> because i have to reboot and reboot back into linux, i'm on winxp right now :P
[11:16] <verden01> ok
[11:17] <verden01> do you know for how long?
[11:17] <bob2> no, someone is looking at it now
[11:17] <bob2> mirror.isp.net.au has it
[11:17] <bob2> as does internode's mirror
[11:19] <Linforcer[mad] > >.>
[11:19] <Linforcer[mad] > are sources down or something?
[11:20] <Linforcer[mad] > fantastic
[11:20] <Linforcer[mad] > f**** brilliant
[11:20] <liable> choco1ate: cant answer that for sure, but most things that need kernel headers, you compile with sudo, bob2 comment?
[11:20] <bob2> I don't think so
[11:21] <Battletux> Linforcer: my update seems to fail at the security.ubuntu ones
[11:21] <bob2> Linforcer[mad] : er, some of the machines hosting the ubuntu archive are down, yes
[11:21] <bob2> there are dozens of mirrors, though
[11:21] <bob2> Battletux: that machine is off the network atm
[11:21] <Battletux> cool
[11:21] <Amaranth> Linforcer[mad] : If you're using breezy you don't want to upgrade right now anyway.
[11:21] <Linforcer[mad] > I'm not
[11:21] <liable> choco1ate: hehe, well then you can try it, if it fails, install the kernel source, copy the config and make your own
[11:22] <Linforcer[mad] > I just need some stuff >.>
[11:22] <yfir> patience, these things don't last too long
[11:22] <Linforcer[mad] > and I run hoary
[11:22] <choco1ate> thing is everytime i never used sudo it would choke saying i didnt have permissions and i go use sudo
[11:22] <choco1ate> this time its saying /usr/include/asm/smp.h:73:26: mach_apicdef.h: No such file or directory
[11:22] <bob2> Linforcer[mad] : use a closer mirror
[11:22] <choco1ate> i googled for this and i saw someone respond back with you need the headers which i already have :S
[11:23] <Linforcer[mad] > its up
[11:23] <Linforcer[mad] > mine anyway
[11:23] <Linforcer[mad] > and there is none closer
[11:23] <Battletux> are there any euro mirrors?
[11:25] <verden01> bob2, where would i find internodes sources.list?
[11:26] <liable> choco1ate: hmmm, I just tried to make my slmodem driver as a user and got a permission error, which is different to yours, but, try the sudo thing
[11:28] <bob2>  deb http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/ hoary main
[11:28] <kestas> verden01: you have to be an internode customer to use internode repos
[11:28] <kestas> I think
[11:28] <verden01> k :(
[11:29] <choco1ate> ok, i will try that too ; it seems from here that there is a significant change btw kernel versions -->> http://lwn.net/Articles/driver-porting/
[11:29] <choco1ate> maybe the guy who wrote this driver wrote it for an older version
[11:30] <choco1ate> boh :^)
[11:30] <choco1ate> i'm a total noob and  i'm confused as hell, helpless too
[11:30] <Shufla> ugh
[11:32] <verden01> everything is back up now  :)
[11:32] <liable> choco1ate:hehe, I just tried to compile it myself, and got a bucketload of errors, and I *do* have the right headers
[11:32] <choco1ate> oh :o
[11:32] <choco1ate> maybe i should just contact the author himself and ask him whats the deal with this driver
[11:33] <liable> choco1ate: even the same error as you :)
[11:33] <choco1ate> azzz
[11:33] <liable> choco1ate: did you get it from that howto page you showed?
[11:33] <choco1ate> i got this driver from here : -->> http://www.sm56.tk
[11:34] <liable> yep the gcc3 one?
[11:34] <choco1ate> that guy is supply the driver, however i guess i must compile and build it on my distro
[11:34] <alexandre> re
[11:34] <choco1ate> yeah, its the same, first i got a gcc error ; and bob2 fixed that, i didnt have the proper packages installed
[11:34] <choco1ate> now after having added that package i end up with those errors i pasted
[11:35] <Shufla> i'm switching my stable suse9.2 workstation at work to be hoary... wish me luck! and i'll be able to support and test ubuntu more :D:D
[11:35] <alexandre> bi g bu of firefex with the page: http://www.football365.fr/infos_clubs/lyon/story_172730.shtml
[11:36] <choco1ate> well, its been 4 days now i havent been able to get my modem working under hoary, so i wish you a "lot of luck" which i think you need :P
[11:37] <Shufla> choco1ate: ugh. i've made test instalation for few weeks (after hours), 64bit system - 99,9999% works fine, that little 0,0001% i'd like to polish and commit to ubuntu
[11:37] <choco1ate> well, help me fix my modem then
[11:37] <Shufla> choco1ate: do you have so-called winmodem?
[11:38] <choco1ate> 4 days i have frequented this channel and nobody has a better suggestion other than buy a linmodem :P
[11:38] <bob2> Shufla: he/she has a usb isdn modem
[11:38] <fortran01> I am using 64-bit Ubuntu 5.04. My firefox hangs after installing libflash-mozplugin. Is this a known bug?
[11:38] <Shufla> choco1ate: sorry :( that's not linux-community failure... :(
[11:38] <bob2> which, surprisingly, a huge amount of pain
[11:38] <choco1ate> i dont know what a winmodem and linmodem is ; i have not found a linmodem as of yet and i have googled for modems for hours on top online sellers
[11:39] <Shufla> fortran01: you need to setup 32bit chroot, check on ubuntuforums.org
[11:39] <liable> choco1ate: that driver has some problems I think, is that the only one you could find? is there no source on the proper site for it?
[11:39] <bob2> fortran01: is it in the BTS?
[11:39] <bob2> Shufla: er, for the Free flash plugin?
[11:39] <Shufla> ops
[11:39] <Shufla> hmmm
[11:39] <fortran01> bob2: bts?
[11:39] <choco1ate> i swear i'd be glad to just buy a linmodem and fix this, i just dont find any modems that say they support linux :S
[11:39] <athlon> is it normal for firefox to  become unresponsive when its fetching pages ?
[11:39] <bob2> fortran01: the bug tracking system
[11:40] <fortran01> bob2: newbie here, where can I see the bts?
[11:40] <Shufla> afair libflash-mozplugin is not good flash plugin :( it supports only flash v3, isn't it?
[11:40] <bob2> fortran01: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, laucnhpad.ubuntu.com/malone, bugs.debian.org
[11:40] <bob2> no flash plugin is good
[11:40] <choco1ate> well, that is the only site thats producing drivers for my internal 56k modem, which i never use, it came this way with my pc, while i have an external isdn modem to which i have given up trying to fix since there is no guides online that help with this
[11:40] <bob2> the binary one makes firefox as unstable as a teapot on my nose, and the Free ones don't support all of flash
[11:40] <Shufla> my company site is full of flash :(
[11:40] <fortran01> so where can I get a working flash plugin for my 64-bit system?
[11:40] <kestas> choco1ate: isnt that driver for 2.4?
[11:41] <Shufla> it's "enterprise" :D
[11:41] <choco1ate> the only one guide i found is specific to avm-fritz
[11:41] <bob2> Shufla: remind them they've lost every blind customer they might have ever had
[11:41] <bob2> fortran01: there probably isn't one
[11:41] <bob2> fortran01: try asking on the user list
[11:41] <Shufla> fortran01: imho the best way is to setup 32bit chroot. but if you are not power-user better install 32bit system...
[11:41] <Shufla> bob2: huh. bilnd people do not need high power cockery :D
[11:42] <fortran01> Shufla: do you a doc on doing 32bit chroot?
[11:42] <Shufla> fortran01: and your problem _is_ solved on ubuntuforums.org
[11:42] <choco1ate> here this guy on www.sm56.tk says -->> Exclusively for the <IP_ADDRESS> and above versions of the Linux kernel users !!
[11:42] <choco1ate> and then he goes on -->> We have a new problem with the call __wake_up from SM56 Driver that is not fixed yet, and  of course I don't have the Source Code of SM56 Modem  Driver, simply working with the sm56.lib.
[11:43] <choco1ate> dont think i need to be reading any of that
[11:43] <stu1> Bah
[11:43] <count0nz> 2.4x and above means 2.4.xx only generaly
[11:43] <choco1ate> maybe i should just contact that author
[11:43] <liable> choco1ate: wait, have you edited your makefile?
[11:43] <choco1ate> if he will ever reply
[11:43] <choco1ate> nope
[11:43] <Slider^^> I have tried to install Ubuntu several times, but all the times I have needed to reinstall winXp, and formate my computer.. My plan is to have one drive with Ubuntu on it and one drive with linux, I tried to do this as i said, but it did not work as plannes.. What to do?
[11:43] <Slider^^> I have tried to install Ubuntu several times, but all the times I have needed to reinstall winXp, and formate my computer.. My plan is to have one drive with Ubuntu on it and one drive with lwinxp, I tried to do this as i said, but it did not work as plannes.. What to do?
[11:44] <Shufla> Slider^^: do not repeat. and describe your problem.
[11:44] <choco1ate> well, i have winxp and ubuntu and i am a noob, installed first time
[11:44] <liable> choco1ate: I just got mine to compile by changing the kernel path :)
[11:44] <choco1ate> with dual booth and i dont rem having to do anything special
[11:44] <choco1ate> oh really
[11:44] <choco1ate> what did you change liable :o
[11:44] <count0nz> Slider^^,  install XP 1st... then install ubutu on 2nd drive
[11:45] <Slider^^> I tried
[11:45] <liable> choco1ate: join #flood
[11:45] <Slider^^> but when I boot, nothing is found
[11:45] <Battletux> anyone good at wlan?
[11:45] <count0nz> did you install grub on your 1st drive ?
[11:45] <bob2> Battletux: way better to just ask your question
[11:45] <Slider^^> I am not sure
[11:45] <Slider^^> how do I decide where grub goes?
[11:45] <choco1ate> liable : can you paste it on www.pastebot.org
[11:46] <choco1ate> much better
[11:46] <bdmp> Can someone give me a hand with mounting problem.  I have a SD card that suddenly became a "read only file system" and won't let change the permissions.  When I do umount it says the device is busy. Any suggestions?
[11:46] <mauve> Hi my X server doesnt start anymore on a newly upgraded breezy machine, it complains it cant find the 'fixed' fonts, can anybody help
[11:46] <Shufla> ok
[11:46] <liable> choco1ate: no, dont worry i'll do it here
[11:46] <liable> its not much
[11:46] <kestas> seems to compile fine here choco1ate
[11:46] <Shufla> vga=0x319 is for 1280x1024x32 for fb?
[11:46] <count0nz> basicly you need grob to be install on your 1st drive then you setup a menu for booting XP/Linux on grub rrub will boot and ask you what you want to boot
[11:46] <trondd> mauve: read the topic :)
[11:46] <Battletux> bob: ok have followed guide here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926 After install i do sudo ndiswrapper -l and it shows the driver as invalid. but i am using the correct .inf file
[11:46] <bob2> mauve: er, don't use breezy if you can't fix things for yourself
[11:47] <choco1ate> ok cool :)
[11:47] <Slider^^> Ok thx, but how am I sure grub is installed on the right drive?
[11:47] <mauve> bob2 all my xfonts packages are installed fine...
[11:48] <keffo> hm, just a question.. I downloaded a new font, where do I put it?
[11:48] <keffo> im not that sure, a friend of mine helped me last time
[11:48] <bob2> mauve: indeed, but X is undergoing a big transition atm
[11:48] <bob2> keffo: ~/.fonts/
[11:48] <bob2> keffo: or fonts:/// in nautilus (the file manager)(
[11:48] <liable> kestas: without editing the makefile?
[11:48] <mauve> bob2 sure, I just want to test it I even occasionally file a bugreport :)
[11:48] <count0nz> it shauld ask you when it installs grub... but i have a odd feeling it will try to default to use hdb not hda
[11:48] <keffo> do i need to run any command afterwards?
[11:48] <kestas> liable: I had to change /usr/src/linux-2.4 to /usr/src/linux
[11:48] <keffo> to like.. set them up or something
[11:48] <SL> hola
[11:49] <bdmp> I got a crazy SD card can someone help?
[11:49] <SL> espaoles?
[11:49] <liable> kestas: you have source installed then?
[11:49] <bob2> keffo: no
[11:49] <kestas> liable: yup
[11:49] <keffo> kk
[11:49] <bob2> bdmp: sounds like the card is broken
[11:49] <kestas> 2.6.10 source
[11:49] <count0nz> someone dual booting dual drives can help you more i only have 1 drive and only boot 1 os
[11:49] <bdmp> no
[11:49] <liable> kestas: damn I thought you might know what to put just for headers
[11:49] <bdmp> i have been using it all the time
[11:49] <choco1ate> hmm, i just noticed on www.sm56.tk -->>  You Need to have installed the Correct Kernel source and it headers in your Linux System depending upon your distribution (Red Hat ,SuSe ,Mandrake etc) and Kernel Version.
[11:49] <choco1ate> hmm
[11:49] <bdmp> i can read the files i cant write
[11:49] <choco1ate> he says sources too :S
[11:50] <Slider^^> OK count0nz I think that was the problem that grub was installed on the wrong drive, I need grub to bee installed on the boot up drive right?
[11:50] <kestas> liable: imho you might as well just install the source, it comes in handy from time to time, and only takes ~60mb
[11:50] <bdmp> I can even delete files in my pda but not with ubuntu
[11:50] <liable> choco1ate: didnt we have this conversation?
[11:50] <bob2> bdmp: yes, linux mounts filesystems as read-only if they're damaged
[11:50] <keffo> hm, bob2 there is a local.conf, should i put it in there aswell?
[11:50] <bdmp> check it out
[11:50] <liable> kestas: talking to the converted :)
[11:50] <count0nz> Slider^^, yes i belive thats your problem
[11:50] <kestas> liable: k :)
[11:50] <bdmp> I went to put stuff in it and it said it was full
[11:50] <bdmp> I was like what?
[11:50] <bob2> keffo: no
[11:51] <Linforcer> hey does anyone know what I should link /usr/src/linux to if the driver install script wants a "kernel source files in /usr/src/linux/"?
[11:51] <choco1ate> yeah we did liable ; but you also said you werent sure i needed the sources and on drivercompile guides they only said to get the headers ; i am downloading the sources right now though just in case, got a few minutes of download left
[11:51] <kestas> Linforcer: install linux-source
[11:51] <Slider^^> Ok then I aks this question, How to make sure grub gets installed on the C drive, when your linux is going inn on the D drive?? C drive contains windows
[11:51] <mauve> bob2 okay maybe I'm way over my head here with breezy, but do you know a way to fix this 'fixed' font?
[11:51] <liable> Linforcer: the kernel source
[11:51] <kestas> Linforcer: then tar -jpvzf /usr/src/linux-blah.tar.bz2
[11:51] <Linforcer> liable duh
[11:51] <Linforcer> kestas
[11:51] <kestas> Linforcer: then ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux
[11:51] <bdmp> and then I realized there was a trash file hidden on the card that had all the stuff I had deleted before. So I tried to get rid of that file and it went crazy after
[11:51] <kestas> Linforcer: or ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-2.6.10
[11:51] <kestas> Linforcer: I forget which
[11:52] <Linforcer> kestas coo'
[11:52] <liable> Linforcer: duh, /usr/src/linux is a symbolic likk
[11:52] <Linforcer> lemme write that down it's for a mate
[11:52] <choco1ate> liable : so is this all i need to change in the makefile -->>: <kestas> liable: I had to change /usr/src/linux-2.4 to /usr/src/linux
[11:52] <liable> choco1ate: no, not for you :(
[11:52] <kestas> choco1ate: thats right, and you need to do what I just told Linforcer to do
[11:52] <liable> kestas: no source, just headers
[11:53] <bob2> keffo: please don't /msg people
[11:53] <jansen> i'm coming,hello all!
[11:53] <bob2> keffo: just put them in ~/.fonts
[11:53] <eater773> seth-> how to install this one... diffrent from window i use.. since i save this to a tmp folder...
[11:53] <johnnybezak> whats with /msg ing people?
[11:53] <kestas> liable: I think you need source
[11:53] <bob2> mauve: I believe the solution is in a bug report on one of the X packages, but I forget which
[11:53] <kestas> liable: but if you dont then fine
[11:53] <liable> kestas: no me hahah, choco1ate
[11:53] <bob2> johnnybezak: I don't know why people do it
[11:53] <liable> sheesh
[11:53] <keffo> okok
[11:53] <keffo> sorry
[11:53] <keffo> thanks
[11:53] <mauve> bob2 thanks I go looking for it
[11:53] <jansen> i cant use the azureus under ubuntu gnome
[11:53] <jazzka> hi!
[11:54] <kestas> ??
[11:54] <jansen> jazzka hello
[11:54] <bob2> jansen: sure you can
[11:54] <jansen> bob2 hi
[11:54] <johnnybezak> bob2: oh ok, but why not use it?
[11:54] <liable> kestas: trying to help choco1ate build his driver :)
[11:54] <choco1ate> well, you both have confused me good :P
[11:54] <liable> hah
[11:54] <jazzka> I've lost my halt program, so I cant shutdown my computer, wich package should I re-install?
[11:54] <kestas> liable: yeah I understand that much, but he needs to install source right?
[11:54] <choco1ate> i dont know what to change :P
[11:54] <bob2> johnnybezak: because then it means I'm responsible for helping them, instead of the whole channel
[11:54] <jansen> bob2 i'm reinstall the ubuntu but i'm upgrade to warty warthog now
[11:54] <kestas> choco1ate: I could always send you my precompiled version
[11:55] <Slider^^> How to make sure grub gets installed on the C drive, when your linux is going inn on the D drive?? C drive contains windows btw
[11:55] <bob2> jansen: do you mean hoary?
[11:55] <liable> kestas: i'm not convinced he does, just needs that line to point to his headers
[11:55] <kestas> choco1ate: were using the same system right?
[11:55] <choco1ate> i finished downloading the source
[11:55] <eater773> kestas-> how to install this one... diffrent from window i use.. since i save this to a tmp folder...
[11:55] <jansen> bob2 yep
[11:55] <kestas> eater773: what one?
[11:55] <Battletux> anyone know where i can get the 32bit broadcom b/g wifi mini pci driver from?
[11:55] <eater773> kestas --> sorry.. i mean.. gnomebaker..
[11:55] <johnnybezak> bob2: fair enough :D
[11:55] <bob2> jansen: did you install java properly?
[11:55] <jansen> bob2 yep
[11:55] <kestas> eater773: well I dont understand what your problem is
[11:55] <jansen> wait moment
[11:56] <choco1ate> please do send me your precompiled version : i'm using 2.6.10-5-386
[11:56] <liable> choco1ate: cant do
[11:56] <choco1ate> what did you have to change, tell me this also
[11:56] <liable> choco1ate: you now have your kernel source installed?
[11:56] <choco1ate> i just finished downloading the sources ; 35mb download
[11:56] <kestas> choco1ate: do you want me to tell you what to do or send you the precompiled version?
[11:56] <kestas> either will work
[11:56] <choco1ate> well, i have to reboot on linux, installt he sources
[11:56] <jansen> bob2 wait moment,i'm upgrading now
[11:57] <choco1ate> and do everything there, tell me everything now, here :P
[11:57] <choco1ate> both kestas
[11:57] <choco1ate> :P
[11:57] <jansen> bob2 do u using the hoary?
[11:57] <bob2> jansen: yes.
[11:57] <kestas> okay Ill message you so it doesnt all get mixed up with the chan stuff
[11:57] <choco1ate> thanks, eternally grateful for this :P
[11:58] <jansen> bob2 and i think u dont use the breeze but,some software u must be use from breeze,readlly?
[11:58] <jazzka> hey! I've lost my halt program, any help?
[11:59] <eater773> kestas--> i download gnomebaker for cdwriter software... now it is in a zipfile... when i try to extract and installed the software it won't installed.
[11:59] <bob2> jansen: I don't know of anything that requires using breezy
[11:59] <bob2> aside from mono
[11:59] <bdmp> Bob2: the sd card works fine in my pda. if I reformat it dou you think it will work?
[11:59] <bob2> jazzka: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:59] <bob2> jazzka: look for the package containging /sbin/halt
[11:59] <kestas> eater773: wait a sec okay?
[11:59] <jazzka> bob2, allright
[11:59] <bob2> jazzka: also, I'd be very very scared about what's eating your disk like that
[11:59] <kestas> be right there
[11:59] <bob2> bdmp: how old is it?
[11:59] <jansen> bob2 i just wanna latest kernel!
[11:59] <bob2> jansen: why?
[11:59] <bdmp> 3 months
[12:00] <bob2> bdmp: how much have you used it?
[12:00] <bdmp> bob2 a good amount
[12:00] <lifeless> bob2: could be baz ;)
[12:00] <bob2> how bazaar.
[12:02] <bdmp> bob2: it says the disk is full
[12:02] <bob2> bdmp: "it"?
[12:02] <bdmp> bob2 I deleted everything
[12:02] <bob2> peronsally, I'd be betting the card is screwed
[12:02] <bdmp> kde
[12:02] <bdmp> konquerer
[12:02] <bob2> files don't actually get deleted if you have them open
[12:03] <bdmp> why does it work in the pda
[12:03] <bdmp> ?
[12:03] <mfabbri> hi
[12:03] <mauve> bob2, sorry for bothering but could you please check if you could find the bugreport again, I have only console and bugzilla is a little awkward in links.
[12:03] <bob2> I don't know
[12:03] <bob2> mauve: no,sorry, I don't know which X package it was
[12:03] <mauve> hmm
[12:04] <bob2> perhaps someone has asked about it on the usr list or on the forums
[12:04] <mfabbri> I've got an issue with gdm vnc ssh
[12:04] <mauve> bob2, thanks I'll go checkout the forums
[12:04] <kestas> eater773: whats a zip file?
[12:06] <eater773> kestas-> zipfile is a compress file... needed to be extracted ...
[12:06] <kestas> eater773: why is it a zipfile though? why not get gnome-baker from synaptic?
[12:07] <eater773> kestas -> website ???
[12:07] <kestas> eater773: why not install gnome-baker from synaptic?
[12:07] <kestas> eater773: 'website ???' is not a very good reason
[12:08] <eater773> kestas -> synaptic ???
[12:09] <thenuke> eater773: ubuntu has an package manager, apt-get&dpkg, and synaptic is front-end(graphical interface) for it, you can find it from the gnomes menus
[12:09] <thenuke> eater773: you dont have to download and install any software by yourself
[12:10] <thenuke> eater773: just fire up synaptic and choose software you want to install
[12:10] <eater773> kestas -> already in synaptic menu
[12:10] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys
[12:10] <kestas> eater773: then its installed
[12:10] <keffo> ok, i want to edit my "gnome-menu".. i want to move "system" and "places" into "Program" that from now on only should be an icon
[12:11] <kestas> eater773: if by 'already in synaptic menu' you mean theres a green square next to it in synaptic
[12:11] <johnnybe1ak> is there anyway to set keyboard short cuts for stuff thats not in the prefs. pane
[12:12] <kestas> keffo and johnnybe1ak you should check the menus, therell probably be something in there to set menus and keyboard short cuts
[12:13] <eater773> kestas-> reload button u mean..
[12:15] <ubunnewb> Hi i wants to install mencoder-k6 my version is Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary, this needs libc6 >= 2.3.2.ds-21 I only have 2.3.2.ds-20 What to write in sources.list to get this newer version of libc?
[12:15] <ubunnewb> is there a testing tree like in debian or something like that?
[12:15] <keffo> kestas, there is not
[12:16] <wdh> kestas, there is not standard menu-editor in gnome atm
[12:16] <mjr> ubunnewb, not really
[12:16] <keffo> but how teh hell do I edit the menus
[12:16] <keffo> :<
[12:16] <wdh> the wiki does show an alternative menu-editor though
[12:16] <keffo> must be a way? ;P
[12:16] <wdh> keffo, search the wiki
[12:16] <ubunnewb> mjr: but how to get the newer version of libc?
[12:17] <mauve> bob2, I fixed it by writing the md5sum of xorg.conf to /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:17] <mjr> ubunnewb, perhaps that's the unstable version, I don't know
[12:18] <mauve> bob2, in case you wanna know :)
[12:18] <keffo> oi wdh http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:18] <keffo> whats that?
[12:18] <keffo> found it while installing DC++
[12:18] <mauve> bob2, thanks for your pointers anyway :) have a nice day
[12:18] <mauve> &quit
[12:19] <j^> hi, can someone please restart the torrent tracker at torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[12:20] <keffo> ah
[12:20] <upro> hi all! I have tried ubuntu after years of slackware - and I love love love it!
[12:23] <Linforcer> says yau "can't find your way throug all the distros" and it "needs unity to beat microsoft"
[12:23] <Linforcer> the guy's clueless
[12:23] <Burgundavia> Linforcer, your father has a point
[12:23] <kestas> Linforcer: not really, but lets not start talking about this
[12:23] <Linforcer> but well.. he uses Novell Linux Desktop so nuff said
[12:24] <bob2> upro: you can use FAI then, ore debconf pre-seeding or just copy the disk image
[12:24] <bob2> upro: depends what you want to do
[12:24] <keffo> to be honest, ANYONE who managed to change the "GNOME-menu", first I want to move Places and System into my "Program" - And i got tasks called "Debian" and "Other" in there.. that I really really dont wnat
[12:24] <keffo> please help out, imma smash something up soon ,<
[12:24] <bob2> upro: or kickstart
[12:25] <upro> The goal is to install and fine-tune one machinme, and then get exact clones of that install without hassle with an automated tool
[12:25] <Linforcer> bah.. if things were centralized before and rpm was the standard debian or ubuntu would never have lived
[12:25] <Nermal> keffo, I didn't need to
[12:25] <keffo> Nermal, ?
[12:25] <Linforcer> "uniting linux" is in no way the answer
[12:25] <Nermal> I had no need to screw with my gnome menus
[12:25] <Nermal> I simply used them as they were
[12:25] <upro> what's "kickstart"?
[12:26] <count0nz> you unite linux and you make another microsoft
[12:26] <keffo> Nermal, yes and do I care about what you say? you dont answer my question.. my menus are screwed, just want to fix em.
[12:26] <kestas> keffo: /usr/share/desktop-directories
[12:26] <Nermal> keffo, I was about to answer it
[12:26] <Burgundavia> upro, http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/ch-kickstart2.html
[12:26] <keffo> thank you kestas
[12:26] <keffo> Nermal, ye right
[12:26] <Linforcer> count0nz yeah, nobody is pleased with windoze, for Linux, there is at least a distro for everyone
[12:26] <Nermal> keffo, :)
[12:27] <Nermal> I wish you luck with a capital F
[12:27] <kestas> Linforcer: just use what os you want and stfu about it
[12:27] <kestas> yeesh
[12:27] <count0nz> Linforcer, agree some like gentoo, ubantu, lfs, ubumtu its choice
[12:27] <Nermal> Linforcer, trouble with linux is that people have a choice, and very few people are educated enough to make that choice
[12:27] <Linforcer> kestas... jeez, what's wrong with a lil discussion
[12:27] <upro> kickstart looks good, I think I'll try that! Had no clue about its existance...
[12:27] <liable> shit #ubuntu is getting like #debian :)
[12:27] <upro> thanks, and bye!
[12:27] <kestas> Linforcer: its the exact same lil discussion we have here twice a day
[12:28] <Nermal> liable, has been for a while
[12:28] <liable> hah
[12:28] <Linforcer> xestas and after all those other people havehad it I get declined the rdght
[12:28] <Linforcer> kestas and after all those other people havehad it I get declined the rdght
[12:28] <thr1ce> no, people are much nicer hear
[12:28] <Linforcer> thanksand after all those other people havehad it I get declined the rdght
[12:28] <Linforcer> oops
[12:28] <kestas> fine but you sound like a mindless drone
[12:28] <keffo> ;P
[12:28] <Linforcer> sorry about that >.>
[12:29] <liable> hmm, yes generally, debian isnt that bad though :)
[12:29] <count0nz> :)
[12:29] <Linforcer> kestas do you have a non-dronic enlightend point of view you'd like to share then?
[12:29] <Nermal> Linforcer, hush
[12:29] <kestas> not about why linux is so great and windows is so crap no
[12:29] <Linforcer> kestas that's not what it's about
[12:30] <count0nz> Windows is 616 :)
[12:30] <Linforcer> kestas you were either misreading or misinterpreting
[12:30] <Linforcer> hahah
 count0nz yeah, nobody is pleased with windoze, for Linux, there is at least a distro for everyon
[12:30] <Nermal> Linforcer, hush
[12:30] <Linforcer> count0nz been reading slashdot well
[12:30] <kestas> yawwwnnn
[12:30] <Linforcer> 616
[12:30] <thr1ce> what is 616 ?
[12:31] <Linforcer> the REAL number of the beast
[12:31] <thr1ce> #windows?
[12:31] <Linforcer> turns out they were wrong all along
[12:31] <kestas> thr1ce: its simple when you take the ascii integers of windows, add them together, take their square root and round them, multiply them by 3 it comes out as 616!!
[12:31] <keffo> ooooooooooooooooh
[12:31] <keffo> sometimes i really really hate apt-get
[12:31] <keffo> i was trying to remove xmms
[12:31] <kestas> thr1ce: is that scarey or what?
[12:31] <keffo> to install beep-media instead
[12:31] <keffo> now it removes my mplayer
[12:31] <keffo> mozilla-mplayer
[12:31] <keffo> mplayer-fonts
[12:32] <kestas> keffo: this is why you shouldnt play around with the menus
[12:32] <keffo> this had nothing todo with my menus..
[12:32] <kestas> oh okay
[12:32] <kestas> :)
[12:32] <Nermal> keffo, mplayer needs xmms
[12:32] <thr1ce> lol
[12:32] <keffo> oh crap
[12:32] <Nermal> *shocker*
[12:32] <keffo> then I screw mplayer aswell
[12:32] <Nermal> apt generally has a good reason for doing what it does
[12:33] <Linforcer> it's called a dependancy tree ;)
[12:33] <Nermal> aye
[12:33] <keffo> i guess
[12:33] <keffo> brb
[12:34] <we2by> how do I add usb dma support?
[12:35] <thenuke> my friend has a problem, what does it take to play xvids?
[12:35] <thenuke> should those codecs in ubuntuguide be enough?
[12:35] <Linforcer> thenuke I reckon it would. what's he trying to play it in
[12:36] <thenuke> Linforcer: well, dunno, some xvid :D
[12:36] <keffo> hm, fekk :<
[12:36] <Linforcer> thenuke I mean in what videoplayer >.>
[12:36] <thenuke> Linforcer: I asked him to check if he really had installed all those codecs
[12:36] <thenuke> Linforcer: ah ok =) let's see, does it really make difference too?
[12:36] <keffo> doesnt really work that.. with /usr/share/desktop-directories
[12:36] <keffo> they are still there
[12:36] <keffo> even tho i removed them
[12:37] <Linforcer> thenuke probably not. he could try installing vlc (also in the ubuntuguide, tends to be a sure fire way for things like this
[12:37] <keffo> ...
[12:38] <Linforcer> thenuke and then I mean playing the file(s) in vlc when he has of course ;)
[12:38] <keffo> argh
[12:38] <keffo> this really bugs me off
[12:38] <keffo> right now, I hate GNOME more than   anything in this world
[12:38] <Linforcer> keffo trying to edit menus?
[12:38] <keffo> yes.
[12:38] <Linforcer> keffo I know how :D
[12:38] <keffo> the gnome-menu
[12:39] <keffo> oh, great.. then you tell me please ;P
[12:39] <thenuke> Linforcer: :-) thank you for the tip
[12:39] <Linforcer> keffo I had the worst time splitting games into Gnome games and other games
[12:39] <Linforcer> keffo what's yer goal?
[12:39] <thenuke> Linforcer: cant find vlc from the guide
[12:40] <Linforcer> thenuke maybe I was wrong maybe it's just in the sources >.>
[12:40] <bdmp> bob2: qtparted worked on the sd card. I messed the thing up when I tried to delete the hidden trash folder on the sd card.  How do I delete files with out them being saved on the card in that folder?
[12:40] <keffo> I got two goals, in "Applications" I have some directories I want to move.. for example a "Debian" - That i think Fluxbox added.. And a dir called "Other"
[12:40] <keffo> thats the first
[12:40] <keffo> then I want to move System and Places into "Applications"
[12:40] <keffo> And make "Applications" to just "menu"
[12:40] <keffo> or something
[12:40] <keffo> i will show
[12:41] <keffo> http://www.deviantart.com/view/17173177/
[12:41] <Linforcer> thenuke yeah just install package vlc
[12:41] <keffo> pretty much like that menu
[12:41] <Linforcer> keffo hmm m let me see
[12:41] <tahorg> e3_zelda_tp_480.mov: Apple QuickTime movie (fast start, compressed header) <- what gstreamer plugin do I need to play that ?
[12:41] <keffo> almost exactly like that, damn its nice
[12:42] <Linforcer> keffo that's gonna be a bother, yikes
[12:42] <Linforcer> keffo but it's doable  :D
[12:44] <bob2> bdmp: I don't use nautilus
[12:44] <bob2> presumably it has a c
[12:44] <bob2> onfig option for this
[12:44] <bkw> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/register.php not found? :/
[12:44] <thenuke> 13:45 < keffo> pretty much like that menu
[12:44] <thenuke> 13:45 < keffo> pretty much like that menu
[12:44] <thenuke> oops :D
[12:45] <thenuke> My mouse got out of my hands =)
[12:45] <tahorg> thenuke: kill it
[12:45] <k4rp0r> :D
[12:45] <thenuke> it's pretty dead already, having issues with buttons
[12:45] <keffo> ok ;P
[12:51] <we2by> hi
[12:51] <we2by> sudo echo Y > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
[12:51] <we2by> why do I get permission denied????
[12:52] <bigfoot> hi all, in Firefox-->File-->Import, I try to click the "Next" button, but nothing happens. I can only hit "cancel."  But that Function is good for importing bookmarks too! What happens when you try it?
[12:55] <lifeless> kestas: hes not but he wanted to. reread what was going on K ?
[12:55] <lifeless> we2by: great.
[12:56] <kestas> bigfoot: try Bookmarks>Manage bookmarks>File>Import
[12:56] <kestas> lifeless: he is echoing with root privs
[12:56] <Nermal> we2by, sudo su to get root :|
[12:56] <kestas> sudo echo blah
[12:56] <kestas> echos blah with root privs
[12:57] <lifeless> kestas: the redirection happens with user privs
[12:57] <kestas> lifeless: exactly, but he is echoing with root privs, thats what Im saying
[12:57] <peaceyall> hi
[12:58] <lifeless> kestas: ok, technically correct, but kinda not helpful for his problem.
[12:58] <kestas> lifeless: just thought I would point out why its not working
[12:59] <lifeless> kestas: you didn't point out why its not working, you pointed out the only bit that was working.
[12:59] <kestas> we2by: you're echoing Y with root privs
[12:59] <kestas> we2by: but trying to write to the file with normal privs
[12:59] <kestas> I thought it was clear enough guess I was wrong
[12:59] <lifeless> kestas: I would start with the bit that doesn't work ;).
[01:02] <peaceyall> I clicked software update and then i pressed reload. now i get an error after evrythign downlaods, i get "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, why?
[01:02] <kestas> yeah I get that too, it doesnt stop it updating it just stops it from verifying updates
[01:02] <kestas> its a pita but I havent seen a solution yet
[01:02] <peaceyall> oh ok
[01:03] <k4rp0r> looks like its time to smoke a cigaret :D
[01:04] <sammy> hi
[01:04] <sammy> I'm having some problems with my sound card. It's a sound blaster card
[01:05] <kestas> whats the problem?
[01:05] <sammy> I only sounds when I use xmms
[01:05] <sammy> but also very noisy
[01:05] <sammy> can't hear anything with mplayer vlc realplayer etc...
[01:05] <kestas> and which output plugin are you using?
[01:05] <kestas> in xmms
[01:05] <sammy> alsa with xmms
[01:05] <sammy> it works only with that one
[01:05] <kestas> what happens when you use esd or oss?
[01:05] <sammy> no audio server are running
[01:06] <kestas> so oss doesnt work?
[01:06] <sammy> it says to check my card
[01:06] <kestas> try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:06] <athlon> trying to install mplayer-custom with synaptic but I get this error message : "mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2  but it is not installable" what gives ?
[01:06] <sammy> neither oss
[01:06] <kestas> does that make static noise?
[01:06] <sammy> cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp ??
[01:07] <kestas> yeup
[01:07] <sammy> should I hear some noise?
[01:07] <kestas> urandom would be better
[01:07] <kestas> /dev/urandom
[01:07] <kestas> dont want to waste precious entropy on this
[01:07] <kestas> you should
[01:07] <kestas> with urandom
[01:07] <sammy> nothing
[01:07] <sammy> can't hear anything
[01:07] <kestas> athlon: do you have all repos installed, and using universe and all that?
[01:08] <kestas> sammy: hmm try aplay /dev/urandom
[01:08] <sammy> ?
[01:08] <kestas> aplay /dev/urandom
[01:08] <kestas> type it
[01:08] <kestas> see if it makes noise
[01:08] <sammy> nothing
[01:08] <kestas> what does cat /proc/asound/cards say?'
[01:09] <athlon> kestas,  I am using : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted multiverse, deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted and some more
[01:09] <sammy> may I paste it?
[01:09] <kestas> sure
[01:09] <sammy> sammy@sammy:/usr/src$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:09] <sammy> 0 [I82801DBICH4   ] : ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[01:09] <sammy>                      Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with ALC650D at 0xe2102000, irq 17
[01:09] <sammy> 1 [Camera         ] : USB-Audio - Camera
[01:09] <sammy>                      Camera at usb-0000:02:01.1-1, full speed
[01:09] <sammy> 2 [Live           ] : EMU10K1 - Sound Blaster Live!
[01:09] <sammy>                      Sound Blaster Live! (rev.10) at 0x8800, irq 22
[01:09] <kestas> athlon: hmm this may be a backports problem
[01:09] <sammy> sammy@sammy:/usr/src$
[01:09] <kestas> ah I see
[01:10] <kestas> youre using card 0 I think you want to use card 2
[01:10] <athlon> okay
[01:10] <kestas> try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp2
[01:10] <sammy> wow
[01:10] <sammy> that was too loud
[01:10] <sammy> :D
[01:10] <kestas> should have warned you eh :P
[01:10] <kestas> oh well
[01:10] <count0nz> whats the package name to select the entire system ?
[01:10] <kestas> okay
[01:10] <sammy> damn
[01:10] <sammy> you shoud !
[01:11] <sammy> ok
[01:11] <sammy> what now ?
[01:11] <Linforcer> if I install grub2
[01:11] <sammy> shall I make a link ?
[01:11] <kestas> nope 1 sec
[01:11] <kestas> nano /etc/esd.conf
[01:11] <Linforcer> does that have a nifty splashscreen?
[01:11] <rudi1234> how can i add an HDD in the "computer" Browser
[01:11] <kestas> nano /etc/esound/esd.conf rather
[01:11] <sammy> I actually wouldn't like to use esd
[01:11] <kestas> hmm okay
[01:11] <kestas> hrmmm
[01:12] <sammy> can we fix it without using the sound server ?
[01:12] <kestas> yup using alsa
[01:12] <kestas> just trying to remember how
[01:12] <sammy> what if I make a link to dev/dsp2
[01:12] <sammy> ln -s /dev/dsp /dev/dsp2 ?
[01:12] <kestas> well /dev/dsp is a device node that already exists
[01:12] <kestas> and thats a messy solution
[01:12] <sammy> yeah
[01:12] <kestas> and it wouldnt work for alsa
[01:13] <sammy> ok
[01:13] <sammy> hmmm .. how do I force all my applications then , to use that device for the audio ?
[01:13] <kestas> yeah damn I did it before.. hrmmm
[01:13] <kestas> some alsa option
[01:14] <kestas> alsactl or something
[01:15] <sammy> :)
[01:15] <sammy> come on.. try harder :)
[01:15] <thermeo> good day
[01:15] <thermeo> maybe someone here can help me
[01:15] <thermeo> need some help on mandrake 10 and bind 9
[01:15] <sammy> I'll go for the messy solution otherwise :)
[01:15] <thermeo> named fails to start
[01:15] <thermeo> found onn the net that i need to run in /scripts fixndc
[01:15] <thermeo> but i am unable to find a way to install what seems to be caled cpanel
[01:15] <thermeo> cause i do not have the scripts directory
[01:15] <thermeo> if i run named -g -p53
[01:16] <thermeo> 19-May-2005 12:44:59.731 couldn't add command channel <IP_ADDRESS>#953: not found
[01:16] <thermeo> 19-May-2005 12:44:59.732 couldn't add command channel ::1#953: not found
[01:16] <thermeo> i need to find a way to get the scripts directory installed
[01:16] <kestas> sammy google "changing the default alsa card"
[01:16] <kestas> "changing the default card in alsa"
[01:17] <kestas> http://wiki.debian.net/?ALSA
[01:17] <sammy> ok thanks
[01:17] <kestas> /etc/asound.conf
[01:17] <kestas> np
[01:18] <XandriX> ehh i orderd the hoary hedgehog cds in april and they still havent asked me for confirmation
[01:19] <mauve> Hi my keyboard settings are weird :) when I press C-A in nautilus the window closes, when I press C-T I get a new window instead of a tag; does anybody have pointer where to look (xorg.conf seems fine my keyboard section only contains "Identifier Generic Keyboard" and "Driver keyboard"); I manage my keyboard settings using gnome...
[01:19] <mauve> s/tag/tab/;
[01:19] <mwh_> hello, I have just got a sandberg wireless g54 pc card, but Ubuntu hoary does not seem to recognize it
[01:19] <mwh_> what might I do?
[01:20] <Burgundavia> mauve, if you running breezy, a known issue
[01:20] <mwh_> anyone here who uses a sandberg wireless g54 pc card?
[01:20] <mauve> Burgundavia, do you have a URL to a bugreport or something like that?
[01:20] <Burgundavia> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10942
[01:20] <mauve> Burgundavia, thanks
[01:21] <UnreA|L> loadwinproCD [-r]  [<device>]  what is mean device who write them ?
[01:21] <mwh_> are there a ubuntu page which lists wireless cards which are supported by ubuntu?
[01:21] <mauve> Burgundavia, damn no solution proposed :/
[01:22] <peaceyall> do i need the program iptables?
[01:23] <mwh_> are there some packages I could install in hoary which would help me get my wireless card going?
[01:23] <Vixus> hey, is there an eclipse+CDT binary .deb for debian?
[01:24] <peaceyall> mwh_ , if you have a card that isnt supported in linux , there is ndiswrapper
[01:24] <morris> anyone here got any suggestions before i upgrade my kernel to <IP_ADDRESS> ? (from: 2.6.10-5-386)
[01:25] <chx> hi
[01:25] <mwh_> peaceyall: ahh, thanks
[01:25] <peaceyall> np
[01:25] <freewoody> i all
[01:25] <mwh_> peaceyall: also do you know how I can check if the card is supported in linux?
[01:25] <peaceyall> mvh_ , ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
[01:25] <chx> Cannot assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:80           --  netstat -l -n |grep :80 came back empty handed. What's goin' on?
[01:25] <peaceyall> go there , they have a section on supported cards with this program
[01:26] <count0nz> how do i reinstall a dist-upgrade ?
[01:26] <peaceyall> isn't dist-uprade a part of apt-get , like apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:26] <count0nz> not working :(
[01:26] <peaceyall> oh
[01:26] <peaceyall> :/
[01:26] <freewoody> How do I stop Squid from logging me ?
[01:26] <count0nz> did a upgrade, downgrade then upgrand now it won't upgrade
[01:26] <peaceyall> what happens when you type apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:27] <freewoody> I want my Squid Transparent Proxy Server to log everybody's actions except my IP Addresses ?
[01:27] <count0nz> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:27] <count0nz>   arts aspell-bin qt3-dev-tools x-window-system-core
[01:27] <count0nz> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[01:28] <peaceyall> and then wat happens
[01:28] <peaceyall> doe sit upgrade?
[01:28] <count0nz> nope
[01:28] <peaceyall> oh
[01:28] <peaceyall> weird
[01:28] <count0nz> its still stuck in horary
[01:28] <peaceyall> :/
[01:28] <count0nz> agree
[01:28] <peaceyall> try
[01:28] <peaceyall> apt-get update
[01:28] <peaceyall> and then see if apt-get dist-upgrade will work
[01:29] <count0nz> --forceinstall works but i don't know what magic name to use to install everythng
[01:29] <peaceyall> :/;
[01:29] <peaceyall> there is nothign called --forceinstall in apt-get
[01:30] <count0nz> it thinks there both installed somehow lol
[01:30] <peaceyall> what are both installed?
[01:30] <peaceyall> what does it think
[01:30] <peaceyall> *
[01:31] <count0nz> its prob a issue with breezy i have fonts working in breezy tho
[01:32] <Burgundavia> count0nz, those things are being held becuase they cannot be installed
[01:32] <count0nz> ok thanks :)
[01:32] <Burgundavia> count0nz, arts prob. because of the c++ transition
[01:32] <count0nz> True :)
[01:32] <Burgundavia> aspell because they are moving to one spelling library
[01:32] <XandriX> ehh i orderd the hoary hedgehog cds in april and they still havent asked me for confirmation
[01:32] <Burgundavia> X becuase they are moving to modular X
[01:32] <count0nz> Reverting back to Horary :)
[01:32] <Burgundavia> XandriX, they will come, don't worry
[01:32] <Burgundavia> and qt3 because of the c++ transition
[01:32] <peaceyall> gah
[01:32] <count0nz> :)
[01:33] <peaceyall> i get checking for lt_dlopen in -lltdl... no
[01:33] <peaceyall> configure: error:
[01:33] <peaceyall> *** Couldn't find ltdl library.  If it is installed in a non-standard
[01:33] <peaceyall> *** location, please supply --with-ltdl=DIR on the configure command line,
[01:33] <peaceyall> *** where `DIR' is the prefix where ltdl is installed (such as /usr,
[01:33] <peaceyall> *** /usr/local, or /usr/pkg).  If that doesn't work, check config.log.  , when im trying to install gift, what package do i need or what do i need to locate?
[01:33] <Burgundavia> the c++ stuff is a guess, but given that most (all?) of kde is c++, those high-level kde stuff is probably not being upraded because of the transition
[01:33] <XandriX> Burgundavia, i know that but when lol id like to recieve a confrimation email lol
[01:33] <liable> count0nz: you upgraded, then you want to downgarade? not easy
[01:34] <Burgundavia> XandriX, shipit is not amazon
[01:34] <Burgundavia> count0nz, just wait, the issues will sort themselves out
[01:34] <peaceyall> liable , he upgraded then downgraded then wanted to pgrade again :P
[01:34] <XandriX> Burgundavia, people tol me id recieve an email
[01:34] <Burgundavia> XandriX, I think you will, when they are ready to ship
[01:35] <XandriX> k
[01:35] <count0nz> yes lol i will i wanted to work on some packages for breezy
[01:35] <pdk001> hi
[01:35] <pdk001> what are you guys doing now?
[01:35] <peaceyall> nothing
[01:35] <pdk001> okie
[01:35] <peaceyall> :P
[01:37] <liable> count0nz: tried installing the prob packges by themselves?
[01:38] <Burgundavia> liable, they remove lots of stuff
[01:38] <Burgundavia> liable, because most of the deps for the new packages are not there yet
[01:39] <count0nz> yes i have it working but going to stay with hoary for a bit and relase packages for hoary
[01:39] <liable> count0nz: tried apt-pinning?
[01:40] <count0nz> not yet.... its not even updateing libc so i will revert it to hoary for now
[01:40] <liable> count0nz: so, what are you on now?
[01:40] <count0nz> hoary
[01:41] <Burgundavia> the other way to do it is not to shut down your machine, like I am doing
[01:41] <Burgundavia> as I know X will not come up
[01:41] <count0nz> i fixed the issues with X
[01:41] <bigfoot> hi all. How do I run/activate/execute a Perl script?
[01:41] <liable> libc6 is something that *will* completely break your machine
[01:41] <kestas> perl perl.pl
[01:42] <count0nz> :) i am going to force it back before i reboot
[01:42] <count0nz> )
[01:43] <bigfoot> kestas, i downloaded a script (http://deluks.de/programs/opera2html-1.0.1) and it's now on my desktop. Do i type "perl perl.pl" in terminal?
[01:44] <XandriX> bbl
[01:45] <Shufla> re :D
[01:46] <UnreA|L> How umount cdrom ?
[01:46] <UnreA|L> My cdrom doesnt open and i can remove cd from it
[01:47] <UnreA|L> i try with gnome but doesnt wokr
[01:47] <UnreA|L> ?
[01:47] <Shufla> UnreA|L: look in dmesg, try eject from terminal, try sudo umount /cdrom
[01:47] <UnreA|L> Okey
[01:47] <pdk001> sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[01:47] <UnreA|L> Ok
[01:47] <pdk001> in other directory
[01:48] <UnreA|L> me write
[01:48] <UnreA|L> device is busy
[01:48] <pdk001> type "cd /"
[01:48] <pdk001> u are in mounted dir
[01:49] <pdk001> move other directory
[01:49] <pdk001> and type "sudo umount /media/cdrom0"
[01:50] <UnreA|L> me write /media/cdrom0 device is busy
[01:50] <UnreA|L> ;/
[01:50] <pdk001> hey
[01:51] <pdk001> type " cd /" before do type " sudo umount /media/cdrom0"
[01:51] <pdk001> you are now in cdrom directory
[01:52] <pdk001> if u are in there, it says" device is busy"
[01:52] <kestas> pdk001: he may be using it with another process too
[01:52] <UnreA|L> i try with it
[01:52] <UnreA|L> bot it doesnt work
[01:53] <kestas> UnreA|L: lsof | grep cdrom
[01:53] <kestas> what does that output?
[01:53] <hybrid_sleep> '
[01:55] <CyberBl00D> hi
[01:55] <gnubie> all
[01:55] <CyberBl00D> I have a problem with GRUB, somebody can help me?
[01:56] <pdk001> hi
[01:56] <gnubie> boys
[01:56] <pdk001> multiple booting?
[01:56] <CyberBl00D> yep
[01:57] <CyberBl00D> i can't boot window$
[01:57] <pdk001> did u install windows later than linux?
[01:57] <firas> hi all
[01:58] <CyberBl00D> debian rulez, but i need to use some windows appz and wine its too slow
[01:58] <CyberBl00D> yes
[01:58] <CyberBl00D> its installed on /dev/hdb
[01:58] <pdk001> hold on
[01:58] <prediusv2> rty a "sudo update-grub"
[01:58] <pdk001> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30574&highlight=multy
[01:59] <Tron|BoRG> heello!!
[01:59] <pdk001> go check here
[01:59] <firas> anyone know how to getting system-wide aliases working using sudo ?
[01:59] <CyberBl00D> ok
[01:59] <kestas> anyone want a game of freeciv?
[01:59] <Tron|BoRG> me!!
[01:59] <firas> Hi there Tron
[01:59] <Tron|BoRG> hi firas
[01:59] <kestas> pubserver.freeciv.org:5562
[01:59] <gnubie> no thanks
[01:59] <kestas> its the place to be
[01:59] <kestas> only me atm tho
[01:59] <CyberBl00D> sudo is a Ubuntu command?
[02:00] <Tron|BoRG> oh no
[02:00] <Tron|BoRG> i cant find freeciv
[02:00] <pdk001> sudo is to be root
[02:00] <firas> CyberBl00D:  no it's a gnu utility or program
[02:00] <CyberBl00D> hahaha
[02:00] <CyberBl00D> sorry
[02:00] <CyberBl00D> n.n
[02:00] <firas> CyberBl00D:  you can find it in any Linux distro
[02:00] <Tron|BoRG> kestas: where is it :D?
[02:01] <prediusv2> I think it's on OSX too.
[02:01] <kestas> Tron|BoRG: this is freeciv 2 so youll have to compile from source im afraid
[02:01] <kestas> but its worth it
[02:01] <Tron|BoRG> yikes
[02:01] <Tron|BoRG> i've never done that
[02:01] <firas> CyberBl00D:  it's just that in Ubuntu it's used to almost completely replace the usage of the root account
[02:01] <pdk001> i have to go to dinner
[02:01] <pdk001> later and have a good time all
[02:01] <CyberBl00D> thank guyz!!!! ^_^ u Rulez :P
[02:02] <firas> CyberBl00D:  more info here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:02] <CyberBl00D> i didn't know that, i just tried a little Ubuntu, but i think it's great for home pcs
[02:02] <peaceyall> gah
[02:03] <peaceyall> im getting ths on installing gift
[02:03] <peaceyall> checking for lt_dlopen in -lltdl... no
[02:03] <peaceyall> configure: error:
[02:03] <peaceyall> *** Couldn't find ltdl library.
[02:03] <peaceyall> what package do i need to install
[02:03] <firas> CyberBl00D:  i've been bouncing around different distros for the past few years and especially the past 2 months or so, I love Ubuntu the most so far
[02:03] <CyberBl00D> hahaa
[02:03] <firas> CyberBl00D:  it's got the right combination of everything as far as I've seen
[02:03] <CyberBl00D> yep
[02:04] <Tron|BoRG> I like it too. But firefox is the only downside i can see
[02:04] <Tron|BoRG> it takes ages to do things !
[02:04] <firas> Tron|BoRG:  why's that ?
[02:04] <Tron|BoRG> firefox has been slow on ubuntu for me
[02:05] <firas> Tron|BoRG:  then check this out http://ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[02:05] <firas> Tron|BoRG:  u should see a noticeable difference
[02:05] <Tron|BoRG> great
[02:05] <CyberBl00D> see ya guyz, i'm going to try that f$$"! piece of $"$"! ( i mean windows ) lol
[02:05] <Tron|BoRG> lol
[02:05] <CyberBl00D> thank U
[02:05] <Tron|BoRG> cya !
[02:06] <firas> CyberBl00D:  have fun, don't kill ur PC though !
[02:06] <undefiend> when I do apt-get update i get the following error: W: GPG error: http://ae.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D5B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS> what does it mean?
[02:06] <firas> Anyone know why the aliases I've defined in /etc/bash.bashrc work for all users on my system but don't work when using sudo ?
[02:07] <kestas> yeah I get that too, it doesnt stop it updating it just stops it from verifying updates
[02:07] <Tron|BoRG> wow !!
[02:07] <Tron|BoRG> much faster
[02:07] <peaceyall> reallt
[02:07] <firas> undefiend:  haven't figured that one out myself yet, usually doing another apt-get update fixes things, sometimes it doesn't :S
[02:07] <Tron|BoRG> firas: thanks !!!!
[02:07] <peaceyall> gah im gonna try it
[02:08] <rudi123> how can i disable the brown background?
[02:08] <bigfoot> Hi all: A general uninstallation question: I'm going to be installing a program called Bookmark Bridge. The install file within the downloaded tar.gz file contains installation instructions ($> ./configure
[02:08] <bigfoot> $> make
[02:08] <bigfoot> $> make install). But it doesn't say how to uninstall. I plan on uninstalling it right away. How do I go about doing that?
[02:08] <firas> Tron|BoRG:  anytime :)
[02:08] <Burgundavia> rudi123, for the desktop, just right click on it
[02:08] <firas> bigfoot:  sometimes u'll find an uninstall script with the package itself
[02:08] <firas> bigfoot:  otherwise u'll have to uninstall manually
[02:09] <firas> bigfoot:  usually the binaries are in /usr/bin so u just have to remove them from there
[02:09] <rudi123> Burgundavia, i have a picture on my desk. but at startup comes the brown desktop
[02:09] <undefiend> kestas: but i'm doing it in order to install flashplayer for firefox, and it also gives me an error after apt-get flashplayer-install: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ae.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ae.archive.ubuntu_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:10] <Burgundavia> rudi123, before it loads the desktop
[02:10] <Burgundavia> ?
[02:10] <firas> rudi123:  go to System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[02:10] <kestas> apt-get update
[02:10] <undefiend> kestas: that's what I do but still does it :) dunno.. (i'm new to linux btw)
[02:10] <Burgundavia> rudi123, if you mean before you login, then see firas' advice
[02:10] <rudi123> yes
[02:11] <kestas> bigfoot: try ./configure --prefix=~/someprogram
[02:11] <rudi123> no
[02:11] <Burgundavia> undefiend, that is a known bug. I may be caused by a time issue
[02:11] <rudi123> not before i login
[02:11] <rudi123> later
[02:11] <kestas> that way when youre done you can just delete ~someprogram
[02:11] <undefiend> Burgundavia: ah, ok
[02:11] <Burgundavia> rudi123, change the desktop colours
[02:11] <bigfoot> firas, i checked the contents of the not-yet-installed tar.gz file. I can't seem to find the "uninstall file. "are you saying that when a tar.gz installs stuff, it only places stuff in the /usr/bin directory? According to the install file:"By default, `make install' will install the package's files in
[02:11] <bigfoot> `/usr/local/bin', `/usr/local/man', etc.  You can specify an
[02:11] <bigfoot> installation prefix other than `/usr/local' by giving `configure' the
[02:11] <bigfoot> option `--prefix=PATH'."
[02:11] <Burgundavia> rudi123, on the same page as the desktop background
[02:11] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, please don't flood here
[02:12] <rudi123> thats not what i mean
[02:12] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, sorry.
[02:12] <Burgundavia> rudi123, sorry, I am lost then
[02:12] <queuetue> Is there a way to set up the xmms browser plugin to record?
[02:12] <firas> bigfoot:  that's what kestas suggested (better solution)
[02:12] <bigfoot> kestas, how do i do what you say exactly?
[02:12] <rudi123> i wont start with the same picture on desktop
[02:12] <kestas> bigfoot: try ./configure --prefix=~/someprogram
[02:12] <firas> bigfoot:  use the "./configure --prefix /opt/myprogram" that way it'll install everything into that folder
[02:13] <firas> bigfoot:  then u can just delete that folder when u wanna uninstall
[02:13] <Burgundavia> rudi123, oh, you set the background picture and it doens't keep it?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> rudi123, upon restart?
[02:13] <kestas> firas's way will work too, but then you have to use root privs, which means it may install anywhere if you dont check the Makefile
[02:13] <rudi123> Burgundavia, u speek german?
[02:13] <bigfoot> kestas, firas, you mean i just can't extract the tar.gz file into, let's say, my desktop directory, in order to have it working?
[02:13] <kestas> doing it my way means you know everythingll be installed where you say, and if it tries to install elsewhere therell be an error
[02:13] <Burgundavia> rudi123, nope
[02:13] <kestas> bigfoot: not if you have to compile it no
[02:14] <CybeRBl00D> it didn't work
[02:14] <CybeRBl00D> O.o
[02:14] <Burgundavia> rudi123, you might want to try #ubuntu-de
[02:14] <rudi123> ok i try this
[02:14] <rudi123> Burgundavia, thnx
[02:14] <firas> bigfoot:  no it was just a suggestion if u wanted to have the program available system wide
[02:14] <firas> bigfoot:  you could just do a "./
[02:14] <CybeRBl00D> someone can help me?, GRUB is gettin on my nerves
[02:15] <firas> bigfoot:  " "./configure --prefix /home/username/myprogram"
[02:15] <Tron|BoRG> firas: what C compiler do I need to create a 'Makefile'
[02:15] <bigfoot> kestas, firas, availabilty (whether system wide or not) does not matter to me. I just want to know that when it's time to uninstall it, I can undo/remove everything that the installer installed.
[02:15] <firas> Tron|BoRG:  gcc and automake i guess
[02:16] <kestas> bigfoot: not without a major pain in the ass you wont be able to
[02:16] <Tron|BoRG> hm ok
[02:16] <CybeRBl00D> :S
[02:16] <kestas> bigfoot: doing it our way its a matter of rm -rf ~/someprogram
[02:16] <kestas> bigfoot: doing it normally youll have to trawl though the Makefile and clean everything up yourself
[02:16] <mwh_> Hello, im looking for a wireless pcmcia nic which works out of the box on Ubuntu Hoary, ie no ndiswrapper or other wird configuration thing
[02:16] <mwh_> anyone know such a card?
[02:17] <firas> bigfoot:  then that last option using the prefix option and installing it in your home directory (as kestas suggested) s your best choice
[02:17] <Burgundavia> mwh_, I have a dlink g650+
[02:17] <CybeRBl00D> someone help me , i can make that Piece of paidOS-s.. run with GRUB :(
[02:17] <Burgundavia> mwh_, works ootb
[02:17] <Tron|BoRG> Does someone know how to disable the minimise animation on GNOME?
[02:17] <mwh_> Burgundavia: thanks
[02:17] <CybeRBl00D> i tried update-grub, but it didn't even touch menu.lst :S
[02:17] <mwh_> anybody else got a card which just works
[02:18] <firas> bigfoot:  to run the program u'll have to type in the full path name though /home/username/myprogram/bin/program or ~/myprogram/bin/program
[02:18] <firas> bigfoot:  or you can add ~/myprogram/bin to your $PATH variable
[02:18] <Encrypted> mwh_, http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php for a list of good cards
[02:19] <firas> CybeRBl00D:  try "grub-install /dev/hda" or whatever your hard disk is that your booting from
[02:19] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: gconf-editor, /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources.
[02:19] <mwh_> Burgundavia:  is it this card: D-Link AirPlus Xtreme G+ DWL-G650+
[02:19] <CybeRBl00D> hmmm ok
[02:19] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: But it also does some other things as well.
[02:19] <Tron|BoRG> ooh
[02:19] <mwh_> Encrypted: thanks, these cards works for Ubuntu Hoary?
[02:19] <Tron|BoRG> i'll try it out
[02:19] <Tron|BoRG> thanks dc
[02:20] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: np
[02:20] <Funraiser> hello all, adesklets is an interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window system, will it work on Ubuntu?
[02:20] <firas> dcraven:  thanks, been wonderin' about that myself
[02:20] <Encrypted> mwh_, should theyre all based on pretty much the same chipset which is well supported
[02:20] <Burgundavia> mwh_, yes, think so
[02:21] <trondd> Funraiser: yes, I've used it in gnome 2.8.
[02:21] <Encrypted> mwh_, still good too dbl check them with a google search before buying tho
[02:21] <Funraiser> trondd, thanks!
[02:21] <dcraven> firas: hehe.. No prob. It does other things like wireframe windows on move etc too.
[02:21] <mwh_> its just that I asked some Linux guys yesterday and bought a card, but it did not work :(
[02:21] <Tron|BoRG> dcraven: Do I write that in terminal?
[02:21] <Encrypted> mwh_, which card did you get ?
[02:22] <j2dope> is there any html editor, like dreamweaver, or frontpage for ubuntu, other than mozilla composer?
[02:22] <dcraven> Tron|BoRG: Or go Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor in the menu.
[02:22] <Tron|BoRG> thanks, i've got it :D
[02:22] <firas> dcraven:  yeah read the description. i'll try it out though
[02:22] <liable> j2dope: try nvu, its easy as hell, and seems good
[02:23] <mwh_> Encrypted: a Sandberg Wireless G54 PC Card
[02:23] <bigfoot> okay, i have the terminal open.  I typed "./configure" but it said "bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[02:23] <bigfoot> "
[02:24] <factorx> is there any equalizer function for amarok?
[02:24] <liable> then there is no configure script
[02:24] <Tron|BoRG> Is there hardware acceleration in ubuntu?
[02:24] <Tron|BoRG> for graphics :P
[02:24] <liable> bigfoot: what you compiling?
[02:24] <firas> dcraven:  whoa that's weird, i tried enabling that option, now if i double click a windown I get grids all over my screen! i think i'll avoid it for it now :)
[02:24] <Tron|BoRG> firas: Yeah, i get that too
[02:24] <Tron|BoRG> hehe
[02:24] <firas> bigfoot:  did you unpack the tar.gz ?
[02:25] <dcraven> bigfoot: Are you in the source root dir? When you "ls" is there a file called configure?
[02:25] <j2dope> liable: thanks
[02:25] <liable> bigfoot: you did this in the source directory?
[02:25] <liable> j2dope: np :)
[02:25] <dcraven> firas: Huh? That option is anything but new :)
[02:25] <j2dope> liable: where can i find 'nvu'.. it doesn't seem to be in my repositories
[02:25] <firas> bigfoot:  tar -zxvf  filename.tar.gz -C destination
[02:25] <bigfoot> liable, oh, am I compiling? Well, i got a program called bookmarkbridge (in tar.gz format). it will convert my opera bookmarks to a format that can be read by FF. My other alternative is to get a perl script and run it. Would that be easier?
[02:26] <bigfoot> firas, yes, the tar.gz is unpacked. That's as far as my 1week old Windows-to-Ubuntu newbie brain will take me
[02:26] <Tron|BoRG> wow apt-get is great
[02:26] <firas> dcraven:  i'm new to Gnome, I was a devoted KDE user, came into Ubuntu with Kubuntu actually and now I'm trying to see if Gnome's for me
[02:27] <CyberBl00D> it didn't work >.<
[02:27] <Tron|BoRG> gnome's for me ;)
[02:27] <liable> j2dope: try apt-cache search nvu
[02:27] <dcraven> firas: Well good luck. I'm gonna click reduced_resources to see what you guys are talkin' about.
[02:27] <firas> bigfoot:  then go to the directory that you unpacked "cd operabookmarks"
[02:27] <mwh_> Hello, im looking for a wireless pcmcia nic which works out of the box on Ubuntu Hoary, ie no ndiswrapper or other wird configuration thing
[02:28] <j2dope> liable: no results =( i got all the universal repositories added and such. im on Hoary
[02:28] <liable> bigfoot: so there is no readme?
[02:28] <firas> bigfoot:  and try "./configure --prefix=/home/username/operabookmarks"
[02:28] <CyberBl00D> do you guyz know if LILO works fine with windows?
[02:28] <bigfoot> firas, dcraven, okay, i'll go to the directory.
[02:28] <dcraven> mwh_: Didn't you already get some cards?
[02:28] <factorx> CyberBl00D: it does
[02:28] <liable> bigfoot: what about just make?
[02:28] <firas> bigfoot:  where username is your username (just in case :)
[02:28] <henriquemaia> Hello, just a small question: today, when I rebooted my machine, I went with no sound. Runned alsamixer and found that some parameters were muted (I did not do anything).
[02:28] <CyberBl00D> better than GRUB ?? :P
[02:28] <henriquemaia> Now my mic doesnt have mute.
[02:28] <liable> chocoIate: how'd you go?
[02:28] <henriquemaia> Does anyone have an idea how to solve this?
[02:29] <factorx> CyberBl00D: no, because grub is better in everything :P
[02:29] <bigfoot> firas, okay, i'm in the directory with the configure file.
[02:29] <mwh_> dcraven: one card
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> hahahahaha
[02:29] <henriquemaia> This is the second time it happens, totally random.
[02:29] <mwh_> dcraven: and a list which is pretty hard to pinpoint a card to
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> well henrique
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> then
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> help me :P
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> i can't run windows with grub
[02:29] <mwh_> dcraven: I would like som more .. ie someone who has a card working on Ubuntu Hoary
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> -i know windows suX-
[02:29] <CyberBl00D> haha
[02:29] <firas> bigfoot:  now run ./configure --prefix=/home/username/operabookmarks
[02:30] <henriquemaia> I do not have windows for 4 years now.
[02:30] <firas> bigfoot:  or even better  ./configure --prefix=~/operabookmarks
[02:30] <CyberBl00D> hm
[02:30] <henriquemaia> Can't help. Never used dual boot with windows.
[02:30] <dcraven> mwh_: Look for any card that has the same chipset as the one you have. Then you'll probably have many.
[02:30] <CyberBl00D> :(
[02:30] <liable> j2dope: google ubuntu and nvu, heaps of hits
[02:30] <j2dope> yarr i am now thanks
[02:31] <chocoIate> liable ; kestas : i managed to build the driver for sm56 --> www.sm56.tk in ubuntu successfully, i managed to install and i got the following output --->> : http://pastebot.nd.edu/907 ; however typing insmod sm56 as per the instructions in pastebot well, nothing happens just an error that the file does not exist :S
[02:31] <firas> bigfoot:  any luck yet ?
[02:31] <j2dope> liable: just for simplicity sake, do u know which repository its in? im so bad at linux
[02:31] <CyberBl00D> well i'm gonna try using LILO on a disk then
[02:31] <trondd> CyberBl00D: take a look at /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst
[02:31] <bigfoot> firas, the operabookmark file is not called operabookmarks. It's called bookmark.html
[02:31] <CyberBl00D> ok i'll check it out
[02:32] <mwh_> r supports high-speed wireless netw
[02:32] <bigfoot> It's an html file, but not in a format that firefox can read.
[02:32] <trondd> CyberBl00D: there you should find out how to bring windows back to life... Don't waste time on lilo...
[02:32] <bigfoot> would it be easier if I just run a perl script?
[02:32] <bigfoot> I got the perl script downloaded, but I can't seem to suceed.
[02:32] <mwh_> Burgundavia:  are you sure DWL-G650+ do not need ndiswrapper?
[02:32] <firas> bigfoot:  probably
[02:32] <liable> j2dope: sorry dude, I use debian (yes I prolly shouldnt be here) and its in the sarge repos, so surprised, its not in ubuntu, as its usually more up to date :(
[02:33] <firas> bigfoot:  u have to type perl then the name of the perl script u donwloaded
[02:33] <CyberBl00D> trondd: windows is already dead lol
[02:33] <j2dope> liable: thanks for your help. i found a FAQ to help me install it. fingers crossed it works. i HATE switching back to windows for html editing
[02:33] <mwh_> Burgundavia:  http://www.wearablelinux.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 this page seems to say it does
[02:34] <firas> bigfoot:  obviously u have to have perl installed before that, just do an apt-get install perl
[02:34] <CyberBl00D> the problem is
[02:34] <liable> j2dope: if you get it installed, you will like it :)
[02:34] <j2dope> yesm. the screenshots look nice
[02:34] <Tron|BoRG> my first compile, make, install. I feel blessed
[02:34] <CyberBl00D> i've got windows installed on my slave disk
[02:34] <liable> chocoIate: modprobe sm56
[02:34] <Tron|BoRG> uh oh... errors
[02:35] <liable> chocoIate: sudo ^^
[02:35] <firas> j2dope:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[02:35] <Tron|BoRG> yay
[02:35] <Tron|BoRG> sudo helps
[02:35] <Burgundavia> mwh_, the best way would be to test it
[02:35] <firas> Tron|BoRG:  hehe, u spoke too soon !
[02:35] <Burgundavia> mwh_, find a friend who has a card and test theirs in Ubuntu, then if it works, buy that one
[02:36] <trondd> CyberBl00D: do you want to boot windows, or just fetch the data?
[02:36] <CyberBl00D> i know i have to put hda1 on GRUB, and use "map" but it just crash, and shows Error N 13
[02:36] <bigfoot> firas, i think i have perl installed already. I ran "perl opera2html" but it did nothing. In the perl script it says "# Example of usage:
[02:36] <Tron|BoRG> firas: yea... *sob*
[02:36] <bigfoot> # cat Bookmarks | opera2html > bookmarks.html" ....
[02:36] <CyberBl00D> i want to boot it
[02:36] <Scorpinf> any1 know how to install TC, i cant find an installation guide
[02:36] <Seveas> TC?
[02:36] <j2dope> firas: thankye
[02:36] <peaceyall> gah can any one help me? here they tell me go to about:config ( http://ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox ) but when i go to about:config in firefox, on taht page all i see is : XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
[02:36] <peaceyall> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/global/config.xul
[02:36] <peaceyall> Line Number 1, Column 4:out(function() { if (gFindMode != FIND_NORMAL) closeFindBar(); }, gQuickFindTimeoutLength);
[02:36] <peaceyall> ---^
[02:37] <peaceyall> weird :/
[02:37] <chocoIate> liable : what is modprobe sm56 :o
[02:37] <firas> j2dope:  ur welcome :)
[02:37] <chocoIate> liable : what is sudo modprobe sm56 :o
[02:37] <chocoIate> even :P
[02:37] <Scorpinf> TC:Elite
[02:37] <firas> bigfoot:  u got a link to this script ?
[02:37] <trondd> Hmm think error 13 mean that there is something wrong in menu.lst
[02:37] <dcraven> bigfoot: So did you run it like in that example?
[02:37] <Seveas> chocoIate, that loads the sm56 module into the kernel
[02:37] <liable> chocoIate: type 'sudo modprobe sm56'
[02:37] <CyberBl00D> it says
[02:37] <chocoIate> thats it :o
[02:37] <chocoIate> ok, thanks :P
[02:37] <bigfoot> firas, the script itself is at http://deluks.de/programs/opera2html-1.0.1
[02:38] <peaceyall> can anybody help?
[02:38] <firas> bigfoot:  i'm assuming "Bookmarks" here is ur opera bookmars file, and opera2html is your perl script
[02:38] <liable> chocoIate: same as insmod, you use a different linux before?
[02:38] <CyberBl00D> error 13. No valid Executable, or something like that
[02:38] <k4rp0r> does anyone havew idea how to get wolfenstein enemy territory working on linux
[02:38] <Linforcer> soooo ... am I the only one who would have preferred to see OponOffice fork
[02:38] <liable> peaceyall: no :)
[02:38] <peaceyall> :/
[02:38] <firas> bigfoot:  so copy ur opera "Bookmarks" file into ur homedirectory, and copy ur perl script there as well
[02:38] <chocoIate> nope, first time linux user, i guess the guy who wrote the driver is using a different linux version thus that command which never works under ubuntu
[02:38] <dcraven> k4rp0r: I play it and etf all the time!
[02:38] <trondd> k4rp0r: just install it... I've played it in gentoo.
[02:38] <bigfoot> firas, yes, opera2html is the perl script. Bookmarks is the Opera file.
[02:39] <chocoIate> thanks a lot.  The other is opera file type).
[02:40] <peaceyall> all i see is XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
[02:40] <peaceyall> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/global/config.xul
[02:40] <peaceyall> Line Number 1, Column 4:out(function() { if (gFindMode != FIND_NORMAL) closeFindBar(); }, gQuickFindTimeoutLength);
[02:40] <peaceyall> ---^
[02:40] <CyberBl00D> i don't have ubuntu installed nor the live CD, i just give it to a friend that wanted to test it
[02:40] <firas> bigfoot:  that should create a bookmarks.html file fo ru
[02:40] <k4rp0r> yeah, but when iwe downloaded the linux version of et and double clic it, it wont launc
[02:40] <bigfoot> I ran the command just as it said, and terminal said, "bash: opera2html: command not found
[02:40] <bigfoot> "
[02:40] <Tron|BoRG> this is exciting stuff
[02:40] <Tron|BoRG> nearly ready for freeciv !
[02:40] <Seveas> bigfoot, chmod +x opera2html first
[02:41] <CyberBl00D> Seveas: i know what error 13, but window$ doesn't have kernel defined, like Linux
[02:41] <Seveas> peaceyall, try reinstalling firefox with apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[02:41] <firas> bigfoot:  do u have opera2html in the same directory ur in ? make sure it's executable
[02:41] <bigfoot> Seveas, i did as you said, and then re-tried, but to no avail...
[02:41] <liable> peaceyall: you havent fucked with anything in firefox? only asking, cause I have to, to get my thinkpad keys working
[02:41] <Seveas> CyberBl00D, then you are trying to start windows the wrong way
[02:41] <peaceyall> ok
[02:41] <firas> bigfoot:  chmod +x opera2html
[02:41] <peaceyall> liable
[02:41] <trondd> CyberBl00D: then you have to repeat what your problem is...
[02:41] <CyberBl00D> O.O
[02:41] <peaceyall> i have fucked with a lot of stuff
[02:41] <peaceyall> :/
[02:41] <liable> peaceyall:
[02:41] <CyberBl00D> ok
[02:42] <peaceyall> i tried reinstalling it from getting it from the web
[02:42] <Seveas> CyberBl00D, can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[02:42] <liable> peaceyall: in firefox?
[02:42] <Seveas> ehm
[02:42] <CyberBl00D> :S sorry, english is not my native language, maybe i just say it wrong :P
[02:42] <Seveas> i mean your menu.lst
[02:42] <CyberBl00D> ok
[02:42] <peaceyall> just a ac ill try reinstalling it form apt-get
[02:42] <bigfoot> firas,  opera2html is in the same directory I'm in. I don't know if it's executable. According to the file properties, it's a "Perl Script"
[02:43] <dcraven> k4rp0r: Open a terminal, change to the directory you downloaded the file too (probably the Desktop, so type "cd ~/Desktop"), then type "chmod 755 myfile" where myfile is the name of the ET install file, then type "sudo ./myfile".
[02:43] <Seveas> bigfoot, cat Bookmarks | perl opera2html > Bookmarks.html should work if the script is not executable
[02:43] <bigfoot> firas, "chmod +x opera2html" is exactly what i entered.,
[02:43] <mwh_> Burgundavia: thanks for the advice
[02:44] <Burgundavia> mwh_, np
[02:44] <firas> bigfoot:  it should be executable now
[02:44] <Burgundavia> mwh_, wireless is a beast
[02:44] <Seveas> indeed
[02:44] <mwh_> Burgundavia: it sure is
[02:44] <firas> bigfoot:  can u try typing "perl -v"
[02:44] <firas> bigfoot:  just to make sure perl is installed
[02:44] <mwh_> it would be nice if ubuntu could team up with some dealers of hardware, so I could go to ubuntu's website and click wireless cards .. and know that they will work on linux
[02:45] <Seveas> mwh_, linux-wireless.org (oslt) has that :)
[02:45] <new2gentoo> mwh_, there are a large number of cards that work
[02:45] <Burgundavia> mwh_, they are already going to
[02:45] <liable> mwh_: if it works in linux at all, it'll work in ubuntu
[02:45] <firas> bigfoot:  the link you gave me ... the file is named opera2html-1.0.1 did u rename it to opera2html ?
[02:45] <trygvebw> breezy has got gnome 2.11 :D
[02:46] <bigfoot> firas, i did as you said and got a response. It's installed, it looks like.
[02:46] <trygvebw> now
[02:46] <bigfoot> firas, yes, i did.
[02:46] <bigfoot> to keep it simple.
[02:46] <liable> mwh_: what card?
[02:47] <CyberBl00D> Seveas: here it is my menu.lst http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/286507
[02:47] <CyberBl00D> plz if you help me i'm gonna worship you everyday :P
[02:49] <CyberBl00D> .
[02:49] <firas> bigfoot:  so what do u get when u type
[02:49] <firas> bigfoot:  cat Bookmarks | opera2html > bookmarks.html
[02:49] <firas> ?
[02:49] <Seveas> CyberBl00D, try root(hd1)
[02:50] <CyberBl00D> ok i'll try
[02:50] <Seveas> or actually:
[02:50] <trondd> CyberBl00D: rootnoverify(hd0,0)
[02:50] <Seveas> root (hd1,4)
[02:50] <Seveas> trondd, windows is in hdb5 according to the comment in menu.lst
[02:51] <bigfoot> firas, i get this:  bash: opera2html: command not found
[02:51] <CyberBl00D> hmm
[02:51] <trondd> hmmm, your right , nevermind me...
[02:51] <CyberBl00D> no
[02:51] <CyberBl00D> that comment is wrong
[02:51] <Seveas> ah ok
[02:51] <Seveas> where is it?
[02:51] <CyberBl00D> hdb1
[02:51] <Seveas> ah, then root(hd1,0)
[02:51] <trondd> then (hd1,0) ?
[02:51] <CyberBl00D> yep
[02:51] <CyberBl00D> i'll try