[00:00] <nhandler> Please modify your copy of 01_kubuntu_fix_etc_sensors_conf.diff to match my patch.
[00:01] <Laney> QUESTION: Debian have bumped to libsensors4. Shouldn't we investigate this patch more closely as it looks tied to libsensors3?
[00:01] <nhandler> Laney: That is a very good point.
[00:02] <nhandler> If you look at the changelog, you will see that Richard Johnson (nixternal) was the one who made this change
[00:03] <nhandler> If you were doing this merge for real, you would want to talk to Richard as well as look at Launchpad Bug #194103 to verify that this change is still needed.
[00:03] <nhandler> I have already taken care of this, and the change is still needed.
[00:03] <nhandler> However, we need to modify the patch slightly to allow it to be applied to the modified file
[00:04] <nhandler> Did that answer your question?
[00:04] <Laney> I trust you ;)
[00:04] <Laney> (yes)
[00:04] <nhandler> Now that we know all of the changes we want are present, we need to document these changes in debian/changelog.
[00:04] <nhandler> Enter 'dch -e' to edit the changelog. You should see an entry that resembles this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37315/
[00:05] <nhandler> If anyone gets any errors when they run that command, it is most likely because you do not have devscripts installed.
[00:06] <nhandler> There are a few things you should notice about the changelog entry. First, on the first line, it says 'intrepid'. This is because Ubuntu 8.10, Intrepid Ibex, is the current development release of Ubuntu. Second, the last line of the entry should have your name and email address.
[00:08] <nhandler> Before we can finish this changelog entry, we need to create a bug report on https://launchpad.net/. Somebody has already done this, and you can view the report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksensors/+bug/254660. Please refrain from uploading the patches you will produce in a little bit to this bug report. I will take care it so that we don't have everyone in this channel uploading their patch. However, you do want
[00:08] <nhandler> to copy the bug number, 254660, from the report.
[00:08] <nhandler> Now, go back to the changelog, and edit the line that says "* Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes:" to say "* Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes (LP: #254660):". The '(LP: #254660)' part will cause the bug to be marked as 'Fix Released' once the patch has been uploaded.
[00:09] <nhandler> We now need to document what Ubuntu changes we kept. These are the Ubuntu changes that have not been added upstream in Debian, but are still needed.
[00:10] <nhandler> We now need to document what Ubuntu changes we kept. These are the Ubuntu changes that have not been added upstream in Debian, but are still needed.
[00:10] <nhandler> The Ubuntu changes that you need to include are:
[00:10] <nhandler> Add quilt as a Build-Depends for patch management
[00:10] <nhandler> Modify debian/menu to install in kmenu/utilities instead of kmenu/system
[00:10] <nhandler> Add 01_kubuntu_fix_etc_sensors_conf.diff to have ksensors use /etc/sensors3.conf instead of sensors.conf
[00:10] <nhandler> Add dh_icons to debian/rules
[00:10] <nhandler> Update debian/rules for patch and unpatch
[00:13] <nhandler> Aside from the Ubuntu changes that we kept, we also introduced a brand new one.
[00:13] <nhandler> This change was the one from james_w that we added in debian/rules to allow us to build the package
[00:14] <nhandler> We need to make sure we add something like "admin/config.{sub,guess} are removed by libtool, copy them back to allow this package to be built again."
[00:14] <nhandler> Once you make these changes, please upload you changelog file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/, and paste a link in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[00:16] <nhandler> You can view my debian/changelog entry here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37569/
[00:16] <nhandler> The only thing left to do now is generate the patch. First, we have to build the source package. To do this, type 'debuild -S'. If you don't have a GPG key, you can do 'debuild -S -us -uc'.
[00:21] <nhandler> This will create a file called ksensors_0.7.3-16ubuntu1.dsc. We now need to make sure that our new version of the package builds in a clean intrepid environment.
[00:22] <nhandler> I usually use pbuilder to do this. You can read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto to learn about creating an intrepid pbuilder chroot.
[00:22] <nhandler> If you already have an intrepid pbuilder chroot created, you can run this command to try and build our new version of ksensors:
[00:22] <nhandler> sudo pbuilder build ~/Merges/ksensors/ksensors_0.7.3-16ubuntu1.dsc
[00:25] <nhandler> Hopefully, james_w's fix should allow pbuilder to build the package without any errors
[00:26]  * james_w crosses his fingers
[00:26] <nhandler> If it builds successfully, you should end up with a .deb file for ksensors in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[00:27] <nhandler> Once it finishes building, we have to generate 2 debdiff files. One will show the changes between the Debian version, 0.7.3-16, and this one, 0.7.3-16ubuntu1. The second one will show the changes between the last Ubuntu version, 0.7.3-15ubuntu2, and this one, 0.7.3-16ubuntu1. You can generate the Debian->Ubuntu debdiff by running this command from ~/Merges/ksensors:
[00:29] <nhandler> Well, it looks like the fix still didn't work. We are most likely missing a Build-Depends in debian/control. pbuilder produces this error "/bin/sh: ifneq: not found"
[00:30] <nhandler> We won't worry about this, and we will assume that it built successfully.
[00:30] <nhandler> The command to generate the Debian->Ubuntu debdiff is:
[00:30] <nhandler> debdiff ksensors_0.7.3-16.dsc ksensors_0.7.3-16ubuntu1.dsc > ksensors_0.7.3-16ubuntu1.debdiff
[00:31] <nhandler> This is where many people accidentally make mistakes when performing a merge. They simply attach the debdiff to the bug report without even looking at it. You should ALWAYS open up the debdiff, and verify that it only contains the changes you want. For the Debian->Ubuntu debdiff, all of the changes you see should be listed in debian/changelog.
[00:32] <james_w> nhandler: the "ifneq" line shouldn't be indented
[00:34] <nhandler> james_w: It must have gotten indented when I was copying and pasting. I'm rebuilding it now
[00:34] <nhandler> Back to the lesson, after verifying that the debdiff had the correct changes, you would then attach that patch to the bug report that we made earlier.
[00:35] <nhandler> You can generate the Ubuntu->Ubuntu debdiff by running this command from ~/Merges/ksensors:
[00:35] <nhandler> debdiff ksensors_0.7.3-15ubuntu2.dsc ksensors_0.7.3-16ubuntu1.dsc > ksensors_0.7.3-16ubuntu1.debdiff
[00:35] <nhandler> You might be wondering why we have to generate an Ubuntu->Ubuntu debdiff. The reason for this is because in some instances, the Ubuntu->Ubuntu debdiff is smaller than the Debian->Ubuntu debdiff. This makes it easier to check for mistakes, and then sponsor. This usually happens when the most recent Ubuntu batch of changes was very large, and the most recent Debian version introduced very little changes.
[00:37] <nhandler> After verifying that the Ubuntu->Ubuntu debdff only contains the changes you want, you would then attach that patch to the bug report as well.
[00:37] <nhandler> This step isn't required, but it is still a good thing to do. You should add a comment in the bug report on Launchpad, that contains the debian/changelog entry that we made. This allows a person who is reviewing the merge to quickly figure out what Ubuntu changes were kept in the merge.
[00:38] <nhandler> The last step is to add our bug to the sponsorship queue (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue). Once it is in the queue, a MOTU will review our patch. If it is acceptable, he/she will upload it.
[00:39] <nhandler> To add our bug to the queue, set the Status to 'Confirmed', and make sure it isn't assigned to anybody. Now, we need to subscribe, not assign, 'ubuntu-universe-sponsors' to the bug since the package is in Universe. If it had been in main or restricted, we would subscribe 'ubuntu-main-sponsors' instead.
[00:39] <nhandler> After you have done that, I would suggest adding a comment on DaD that says 'Bug #254660'. This makes it easier for other people to quickly figure out what packages still need to be merged/synced.
[00:40] <nhandler> Now, you are done with the merge!
[00:41] <nhandler> At this point, I would like to apologize. This lesson did not go nearly as smooth as I originally intended.
[00:41] <nhandler> I still hope that at least some of you learned something from listening to it.
[00:42] <medo_> thanks a lot it was really helpfull and enjoyable
[00:42] <nhandler> I gave a similar lecture a while ago. You can find the IRC log on my wiki. Feel free to read through it if you are interested. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cheater7/Lectures/Merges_080613.
[00:43] <nhandler> Does anyone have any questions?
[00:44] <medo_> Nop
[00:44] <nhandler> If you have any interest at all in merging packages. Please feel free to ask me for help.
[00:46] <nhandler> Well, if nobody has any more questions, I guess the lesson on merging packages from Debian is over.
[00:48] <james_w> thanks a lot nhandler
[00:48] <james_w> I'll post logs shortly or tomorrow morning
[00:53] <nhandler> That is fine james_w.
[20:23] <Traveler7> irc?


[20:42] <rlarkin> Hi, looking for a good link to help trouble shoot an init script inside an LXD container
[20:44] <rlarkin> the service ( salt-master version 15.08 ) starts just fine directly, and other init scripts are working as expected.  but salt-master always fails with 'job failed to start' .  I can't figure out what is expected ( and not there ) by the init script.
[20:45] <rlarkin> I am reading the cookbook page...
[20:47] <AnrDaemon> First, enable logging of init script. That's "console log". Second, enable logging of your program, if it has one.
[20:47] <AnrDaemon> And third, pastebin your init script so far. Let's take a look.
[20:49] <rlarkin> k
[20:51] <rlarkin> http://pastebin.com/9d6er0RC
[20:51] <rlarkin> doing logging
[20:51] <AnrDaemon> Well, that' snot upstart script.
[20:52] <rlarkin> huh.  I just assumed trusty was upstart
[20:52] <AnrDaemon> It is, but what you linked is an abomination.
[20:52] <rlarkin> lol, that's good to know
[20:52] <rlarkin> it's what came with the package
[20:53] <AnrDaemon> They are still living in the 2008…
[20:53] <rlarkin> wow
[20:54] <rlarkin> I was trying to figure out what might be missing from my container environment and not finding anything.  but it sounds like what I really need is a new init script.
[20:55] <AnrDaemon> http://pastebin.com/v67FsCHt
[20:55] <AnrDaemon> That'a about all that you need. Likely.
[20:55] <AnrDaemon> If salt-master have a switch to run explicitly in foreground and not daemonize, use that.
[20:56] <rlarkin> it has -d (daemonize) and -l debug options
[20:56] <rlarkin> that's so simple.
[20:56] <AnrDaemon> Well, okay. Just leave -d out. Upstart does process control, so it needs to know what is running.
[20:57] <AnrDaemon> Yes, it is, in many cases.
[20:58] <rlarkin> thanks man
[20:58] <AnrDaemon> There's 3 types of daemons. 1. Very simple ones, no config at all. 2. Those required config in comandline. 3. Those with external config.
[20:58] <AnrDaemon> Upstart is good for 1 and 3, you just start daemon and it does everything it has to do.
[20:58] <rlarkin> this is 3 (in a default location)
[20:58] <AnrDaemon> #2, of course, needs some treatment more often than not :/
[20:59] <AnrDaemon> And not always a trivial treatment, given you can't pass options from pre-start to start.
[20:59] <rlarkin> cool.  I'm adding this to my deployment
[21:02] <AnrDaemon> Do note the script don't have any start or stop clauses. You'll have to figure these your yourself, once you have your daemon up and running.
[21:02] <rlarkin> sure, thanks
[21:02] <AnrDaemon> Also check the cookbot for "expect …" syntax, if upstart still losing the tail.
[21:02] <AnrDaemon> cookbook**
[21:04] <AnrDaemon> (Some services fork to drop privileges after initialization, no way around that, unless you start them with restricted privileges to begin with, which is not always possible, i.e. if they need ports in 0..1023 range.)
[21:04] <rlarkin> k.
[21:05] <rlarkin> salt-master is not starting with the simple init script either.  so I think my container env is missing something that's not needed by all services
[21:07] <AnrDaemon> Look in logs. (add "console log" to the script, add -l debug or what not to the daemon parameters.)
[21:07] <AnrDaemon> Log is in /var/log/upstart/<servicename>*
[21:08] <AnrDaemon> "console log" is an overall good idea, though.
[21:09] <rlarkin> there's no 'salt-master' file in /var/log/upstart.
[21:09] <rlarkin> the return is instantaneous
[21:09] <rlarkin> root@salt01:/etc/init.d# service salt-master start
[21:09] <rlarkin> start: Job failed to start
[21:11] <AnrDaemon> 1. Delete "salt-master" from /etc/init.d.
[21:11] <rlarkin> ok
[21:11] <AnrDaemon> 1. Run init-checkconf /etc/init/salt-master.conf
[21:11] <AnrDaemon> It will at least tell you if it is syntactically correct.
[21:12] <rlarkin> File /etc/init/salt-master.conf: syntax ok
[21:12] <AnrDaemon> initctl start salt-master
[21:12] <rlarkin> initctl: Job failed to start
[21:13] <AnrDaemon> What's in logs?
[21:13] <rlarkin> there's still no salt-master in /var/log/upstart
[21:13] <AnrDaemon> Anything in system log?
[21:13] <rlarkin> so far, syslog has only dhcp messages.
[21:15] <AnrDaemon> Try something real simple? Like exec /bin/printf "Started ok"
[21:19] <rlarkin> ok.  this one fails with an instanc 'Job failed to start':  http://pastebin.com/D3ZuaXrd
[21:20] <rlarkin> but this one works just fine: http://pastebin.com/k70KwXfh
[21:21] <rlarkin> permissions are identical
[21:24] <rlarkin> my paste is wrong, old one from klipper.  I changed it to /usr/bin/printf
[21:24] <rlarkin> minor detail
[21:32] <AnrDaemon> Again, for the … time.
[21:33] <AnrDaemon> Do not confuse init script and upstart job. They are located in different places and started by different mechanics.
[21:35] <AnrDaemon> Also sorry, it is /usr/bin/printf
[21:36] <AnrDaemon> Just tried this script myself: http://pastebin.com/e4MFSCYM
[21:36] <AnrDaemon> # initctl start xxx
[21:36] <AnrDaemon> xxx start/running, process 19415
[21:39] <rlarkin> ok yeah, that works
[21:42] <AnrDaemon> So, if you now replace /usr/bin/printf with /usr/bin/salt-master -l debug etc. it should at least try to start it.
[21:44] <rlarkin> using initctl and not service, salt-master started after I commented out #limit nofile<PHONE_NUMBER>00
[21:45] <rlarkin> and when I remove the abominable script I can start salt-master with 'service'
[21:46] <AnrDaemon> 100k ? :D
[21:46] <AnrDaemon> Even MySQL don't need that many.
[21:46] <AnrDaemon> Happily working with 32k
[21:47] <rlarkin> oh, actually it works when /etc/init.d/salt-master still exists.  I guess it's not even relevant here.  Hi upstart, nice to meet you.
[21:48] <AnrDaemon> As long as it is not installed… Or not called directly… You're using
[21:48] <AnrDaemon> upstart.
[21:48] <AnrDaemon> I suggested to get rid of it to reduce confusion.
[21:48] <rlarkin> at 50000 it works
[21:49] <rlarkin> thanks so much AnrDaemon
[21:49] <AnrDaemon> Does it actually do need that many open files?
[21:50] <rlarkin> in a much bigger environment , yes.  but then I probably wouldn't be using a container
[21:50] <AnrDaemon> Fair point.
[21:50] <rlarkin> I'm actually trying to stand up a dev test  env, so pretty small.  just a dozen or so clients ( not thousands )
[21:51] <rlarkin> the default lxd env probably sets a cap
[21:51] <rlarkin> ok, thanks for you help.  thanks to you I can go have some family time :)
[21:56] <AnrDaemon> :D


[01:18] <Batosuai> hi
[01:20] <Batosuai> hey guys can anyone help me im new at ubuntu   i installed xubuntu in a low spec laptop and everything went well until after instalation i cannot use the GUI
[01:22] <Batosuai> I aprecciate any help XD
[01:24] <jar> Batosuai, does it only boot to command line?
[01:24] <Batosuai> yeah
[01:24] <Batosuai> tty
[01:24] <jar> Hm, weird.
[01:24] <jar> can you type 'startx' ?
[01:24] <Batosuai> command not found
[01:25] <jar> how about startxfce4
[01:25] <Batosuai> same
[01:25] <Batosuai> sorry im a noob
[01:25] <jar> okay one last command
[01:26] <jar> ls /usr/bin/ | grep xfce
[01:26] <Batosuai> used ubuntu befor but never had this prob
[01:26] <jar> does that return anything?
[01:26] <Batosuai> how do i get the vertical line
[01:27] <jar> it's the shift version of \
[01:27] <jar> It's above ENTER on my qwerty keyboard.
[01:28] <Batosuai> got it
[01:28] <Batosuai> same
[01:28] <jar> Nothing?
[01:28] <Batosuai> maybe a error installing?
[01:28] <jar> Your install seems to have failed in some way.
[01:28] <jar> Yes.
[01:28] <jar> Your desktop environment is not installed.
[01:29] <Batosuai> ok let me try again ty   how im supposed to install it
[01:29] <jar> I just installed with all the defaults.
[01:29] <Batosuai> im doing it in a low spec laptop so maybe thats why i failed
[01:30] <jar> How low spec?
[01:30] <Batosuai> old computer\
[01:30] <jar> Well I mean
[01:30] <jar> Processor, Ram, etc?
[01:31] <Batosuai> Microprocessor 	Intel Pentium III processor 650 MHz
[01:31] <Batosuai> Microprocessor Cache 	256 KB L2 on-chip cache
[01:31] <Batosuai> Memory 	64 MB 100 MHz SyncDRAM, shared memory architecture - 4 MB dedicated for video memory
[01:31] <Batosuai> Memory Max 	Upgradable to 320 MB
[01:31] <Batosuai> Video Graphics 	Trident CyberBlade 3D Graphics
[01:31] <Batosuai> old   lol
[01:31] <jar> the processor is fine
[01:31] <jar> it's the ram
[01:31] <jar> I think you need 128MB minimum
[01:32] <jar> You might want to try Puppy Linux
[01:32] <Batosuai> sorry forgot to add another 64  so it have 128
[01:32] <jar> Oh you do?
[01:32] <Batosuai> puppy linux?  sounds interesting
[01:32] <jar> Puppy Linux is designed for very low end systems.
[01:33] <jar> http://puppylinux.org/main/index.php?file=Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
[01:33] <Batosuai> if i cannot get this one running ill try with that one
[01:33] <Batosuai> lol
[01:33] <Batosuai> ty
[01:33] <jar> np
[03:18] <joshritger1> can anyone tell me how to edit xorg.conf in xubuntu, I can't seem to find it
[03:18] <joshritger1> oh it is xubuntu 9.10
[03:38] <jar> joshritger1, there is no xorg.conf anymore
[03:39] <jar> what do you need to do?
[03:41] <joshritger1> jar: sorry I am in two windows, but I am having trouble with my display, I have an old gateway laptop with the intel 82830 chipset and in 9.04 and 9.10 there are issues with the chipset causing the screen to blink
[03:42] <jar> You can generate a custom xorg.conf with the options you need in /etc/X11.
[03:42] <jar> Should work fine.
[03:43] <joshritger1> will try
[03:45] <jar> gnash still sucks.
[03:45] <jar> shocker.
[04:51] <JAAII> New user here.  Can anyone tell me the difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu?
[04:53] <jar> JAAII, Essentially - Ubuntu uses GNOME, we use XFce
[04:55] <JAAII> Thanks for the response jar.  Does either make a difference based on your hardware?  For example, I'm using a MacBook Pro (5,1).  Currently have Ubuntu installed but thought one of the other distros may be better.  Thoughts?
[04:56] <jar> JAAII, Both Ubuntu and Xubuntu use the exact same kernel so the hardware supports, in theory, should be exactly the same.
[04:56] <JAAII> I assume you are using Xubuntu.  Any reason you prefer over Ubuntu?
[04:57] <jar> I like XFce :)
[04:57] <jar> That's pretty much it.
[05:00] <JAAII> Cool.  Thanks for your time.
[07:07] <Jaden007mi5> Hey
[07:08] <Jaden007mi5> I just installed ubuntu 9.10  and i have no sound at all. sound worked on 8.10
[07:08] <Jaden007mi5> any help?
[07:09] <jar> Do you mean xubuntu?
[07:09] <jar> or ubuntu?
[07:09] <Jaden007mi5> my bad i accidently joined the xubuntu room instead of ubuntu
[07:09] <jar> :)
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> A common mistake, it seems.
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> ...right.
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> Anyone know where Thunderbird's default browser setting is?
[07:11] <Sahkolihaa> I'm sick of it starting up Firefox when Chromium is set as my default browser. :|
[07:12] <Sahkolihaa> I guess this is what happens when part of GNome is included with Xubuntu - mixed up settings.
[07:46] <TheSheep> Sahkolihaa: you can try using gconf-edit to find it
[07:46] <Sahkolihaa> I just found a fix - created a user.js file in thunderbird's profile directory and added some lines from the Mozilla website. :)
[08:35] <turtle_> g'day all, just throwing 9.10 on my machine, whats the best size for a swap partition?
[08:35] <jar> turtle_, the rule of thumb is your ram multiplied by two
[08:36] <turtle_> wow thats a lot
[08:36] <jar> How much RAM do you have?
[08:36] <turtle_> 1gb
[08:36] <jar> then yeah, 2GB
[08:36] <turtle_> but only a 16gb ssd
[08:36] <jar> That sucks.
[08:37] <jar> That's why I opted out of a SSD.
[08:37] <jar> My netbook has a nice 160GB traditional drive.
[08:37] <turtle_> i don't mind the ssd
[08:38] <turtle_> I just bought a new one because of a good price
[08:38] <turtle_> but 9.04 doesn't work so nice on it so putting on 9.10 now
[08:38] <turtle_> but it still looks like the sound wont work
[08:38] <jar> What model?
[08:39] <turtle_> the hp mini 110
[08:39] <jar> Yeah
[08:39] <jar> Seems to be a common issue
[08:39] <jar> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=hp+mini+110+sound+linux&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=6b22d27f49a5e7dd
[08:39] <turtle_> it's weird because UNR 9.10 seems to work with its sound
[08:41] <jar> That is weird since xubuntu uses the standard ubuntu kernel and I think so does NBR.
[08:41] <turtle_> yeah thats why I figured it would work out of the box
[08:42] <jar> turtle_, Have you tried it with headphones?
[08:42] <jar> "Speakers don't work on Ubuntu 9.04, headphones work OK.  I understand the primary one should be '/', but the second one, which I intend to use to test new distro's, should be mounted as what?
[08:50] <jar> You can mount it anywhere you want.
[08:50] <jar> Somewhere in /media would be best.
[08:50] <turtle_> or should I leave it empty and get the other distro to sort it out
[08:51] <TheSheep> turtle_: you don't have to mount it
[08:51] <TheSheep> turtle_: yeah, you can do that
[08:51] <jar> Yeah.
[08:51] <jar> Just because a partition exists doesn't mean it HAS to be mounted.
[08:52] <TheSheep> I usually mount it in /mnt/other or something like that, just to have access to it
[08:52] <turtle_> yeah I understand that, just the program is throwing me errors
[08:52] <jar> I only use vbox these days
[08:52] <turtle_> I am thinking of putting it as /media/altdistro
[08:53] <TheSheep> turtle_: /media is mostly for automounted stuff
[08:53] <TheSheep> turtle_: of course that's only a tradition
[08:53] <jar> I use media for everything because I think splitting them up was stupid.
[08:53] <jar> But that's just me.
[08:53] <jar> /mnt or /media - pick one IMHO
[08:53] <turtle_> well I'm still getting my linux feet and thats where I tend to look for my stuff
[08:54] <TheSheep> you know, the linux motto should be "whatever works for you"
[08:54] <jar> also, "screw kde"
[08:54] <jar> :D
[08:54] <jar> jk
[08:55] <TheSheep> !language | jar
[08:55] <turtle_> lol
[08:55] <jar> Who in their right mind would consider that NSFW?
[08:55] <jar> o_O
[08:55] <jar> I've heard worse language on Nickelodean.
[08:55] <jar> Not even kidding.
[08:55] <TheSheep> jar: not all the world is raised in USA
[08:56] <jar> The USA is actually pretty conservative in our views of what should be allowed on TV.
[08:56] <turtle_> they swear in the original transformers
[08:56] <TheSheep> but that's not the topic of this channel
[08:57]  * jar slaps his forehead
[09:07] <turtle_> can I go into gparted after the install is finished and make the ntfs partition mount as /media/windoze?
[09:08] <TheSheep> no need for gparted for that
[09:08] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[09:08] <TheSheep> !ntfs-3g
[09:10] <turtle_> thanks TheSheep , I'll check it out
[09:15] <turtle_> 16sec boot time... tasty
[10:12] <hume> hi all.... after an upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, sound is turned off when I log in to xfce - how do I set it to be turned on when I log in?
[11:37] <handjob> Hi all. I've got problem playing .wmv files. If i start mplayer from GUI it plays sound only but when started form command line it works well. Once I have solved this problem but damn i forgot how. Here is passthebin of mplayer-cli http://pastebin.com/f306b4bd3.
[12:02] <turtle_> anyone managed to get the telstra wbb working with 9.10?
[13:59] <oberon> hi
[14:00] <oberon> I'm trying to install a new kernel according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158&highlight=kernel
[14:00] <oberon> after step 10 I get the files in /boot
[14:00] <sshadyy> hi
[14:00] <knome> !kernel | oberon
[14:00] <oberon> hi pal
[14:01] <sshadyy> yea i come to irc:)
[14:01] <oberon> knome, the question is - how do I make the new kernel apear on the grub menu on boot ?
[14:01] <knome> oberon, please refer to the last link
[18:58] <nicklas_> back in xubuntu land :-P
[18:59] <jar> nicklas_, Welcome Back!
[18:59] <jar> :)
[18:59] <BeteNoire> hi, my friend has xubuntu and i want to send him messages that will popup on his screen, via local network, what is the app supporting this?
[19:00] <jar> BeteNoire, You mean like a dialog box?
[19:00] <nicklas_> jar, ty :-)
[19:00] <jar> :)
[19:00] <nicklas_> i used sabayon, but it crashed after nvidia update
[19:01] <jar> Isn't sabayon based on gentoo?
[19:01] <nicklas_> yup
[19:01] <BeteNoire> jar: not exactly dialog, i don't want him to click yes or no :) just send short message that will popu
[19:01] <jar> I'll keep my comments about portage to myself.
[19:01] <jar> BeteNoire, You could ssh into his machine and use zenity.
[19:01] <BeteNoire> wut?
[19:01] <BeteNoire> discussion about gentoo here? :)
[19:01] <jar> BeteNoire, nicklas_ was using a gentoo based distro.
[19:01] <jar> ;)
[19:02] <jar> But he came to his senses and returned here.
[19:02] <jar> :D
[19:02] <BeteNoire> i am using gentoo on most of my machines :)2~
[19:02] <jar> I'll have to bite my lip extra hard then.
[19:02] <jar> :D
[19:02] <BeteNoire> :>
[19:03] <BeteNoire> don't worry, i'm familiar with tension between distro users :)
[19:03] <jar> Hehe, it's all in good fun for the most part.
[19:03] <jar> Xubuntu and Gentoo have completely different target audiences.
[19:03] <jar> ;)
[19:04] <Sysi> yes, gentoo when you want to configure ans xubuntu when you want to use :P
[19:04] <Sysi> (i'm not gonna start flamewar)
[19:04] <jar> *g*
[19:05] <jar> Sysi, At least in #xubuntu you know you'd have backup.
[19:05] <jar> Haha.
[19:05] <Sysi> i don't need :)
[19:06] <jar> hehe
[19:06] <nicklas_> anyone knows what libs that are installed in regular ubuntu but not in xubuntu that are required to play quake 4?
[19:07] <jar> nicklas_, console output should tell you.
[19:07] <nicklas_> jar, where?
[19:07] <nicklas_> ah yes
[19:07] <nicklas_> when trying to start it you mean?
[19:07] <jar> Yes.
[19:09] <nicklas_> i have been using both ubuntu and kubuntu, but i have figured out i dont need all that eye candy
[19:09] <nicklas_> so xubuntu is good :-)
[19:09] <jar> I actually prefer XFce to GNOME
[19:09] <jar> In the way of appearances
[19:10] <jar> xfwm has compositor support and that's enough for me
[19:10] <nicklas_> yes, for me too
[19:10] <nicklas_> that eye candy is enough
[19:10] <jar> mhmm
[19:11] <Sysi> kirkasvärinen ja xfce transparencies ♥
[19:11] <Sysi> what
[19:11] <jar> hehe
[19:11] <Sysi> *xfce transparencies ♥
[19:11] <jar> Nice unicode.
[19:12] <Sysi> easiest way to get damm goodlooking system
[19:12] <jar> ;)
[19:13] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/scort.png
[19:13] <Sysi> didn't take long to set up
[19:13] <jar> hehe
[19:13] <Sysi> exept that i changed buttons to window borders
[19:17] <jar> http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8097/desktopxfce4.png
[19:17] <jar> That's my desktop.
[19:18] <Sysi> should i paste my others?
[19:18] <jar> If you'd like.
[19:19] <Sysi> mmph, anime
[19:19] <jar> Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood ;P
[19:19] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/siiseli.png
[19:20] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/leelu.png
[19:20] <jar> girly
[19:20] <jar> lol
[19:20] <Sysi> :)
[19:20] <Sysi> that was for school
[19:21] <jar> ah
[19:21] <Sysi> now i use the upper
[19:21] <jar> hehe
[19:21] <Sysi> tesmachine's gonna be mac-replica
[19:21] <jar> ah
[19:22] <Sysi> *test machine
[19:22] <Sysi> how hard can tuping be
[19:22] <Sysi> yeah, exactly
[19:23] <jar> :)
[19:50] <nicklas_> this blocking list in transmission, what is it? what does it mean?
[19:52] <jar> nicklas_, it blocks know riaa/mpaa types
[19:52] <nicklas_> and what is that?
[19:53] <jar> copyright agencies
[19:53] <jar> basically
[19:53] <nicklas_> aha, then you dont wanna use that
[19:53] <jar> no, you do
[19:53] <jar> it blocks them
[19:53] <nicklas_> so you cant download illegal files?
[19:54] <jar> No, so they can't watch you.
[19:54] <nicklas_> aah
[19:54] <nicklas_> cool
[22:59] <nicklas_> yo
[22:59] <jar> welcome back
[22:59] <nicklas_> :-)
[22:59] <Sysi> ohai
[23:00] <nicklas_> so what dists have you used?
[23:00] <Sysi> currently installing fedora
[23:00] <jar> I've used a ton.
[23:00] <Sysi> also used this earlier
[23:00] <jar> I'm 21 and been using Linux since I was 12.
[23:01] <jar> Stuck with XFce more or less since early 4.0.x releases.
[23:01] <Sysi> i've used linux for, 2 years?
[23:01] <nicklas_> fedora is the only major dist i havent tried i think, seems like too much work
[23:01] <jar> I used Redhat 9 then Fedora Core 1
[23:02] <jar> Back a few years ago
[23:02] <Sysi> fedora is nice
[23:02] <jar> My first XFce experience was on Redhat now that I think about it.
[23:03] <nicklas_> but isnt it annoying getting nvidia drivers working? and mp3 and flash and such?
[23:03] <Sysi> i had to use xfce, i only had 256mb ram
[23:03] <nicklas_> lol ok
[23:03] <jar> nicklas_, works about the same as on Xubuntu
[23:03] <Sysi> no, as far as i know
[23:03] <nicklas_> jar, meta ?
[23:03] <Sysi> available on rpmfusion iirc
[23:04] <jar> I believe Package Kit takes care of that stuff.
[23:04] <Sysi> this is with kde :S
[23:04] <jar> http://www.packagekit.org/pk-screenshots.html
[23:04] <nicklas_> well, xubuntu/ubuntu is good, what is different with fedora?
[23:04] <Sysi> installation done, i'm gonna reboot
[23:05] <jar> nicklas_, A different distro entirely.
[23:05] <Sysi> package manager
[23:05] <nicklas_> rpm yes
[23:05] <Sysi> and all programs are updated
[23:05] <nicklas_> its more up to date?
[23:05] <Sysi> yes
[23:05] <jar> Not really.
[23:05] <jar> It's about the same.
[23:05] <nicklas_> in ubuntu i can add playdeb repos to get the latest games, i am a gamer
[23:05] <Sysi> firefor came earier to fedora
[23:06] <nicklas_> so i want latest open arena, warsow and siuch
[23:06] <Sysi> reboot →
[23:06] <jar> Sysi, Firefox has been in *buntu since the beginning?
[23:06] <Sysi> when updated to 3.5
[23:06] <jar> You didn't specify version.
[23:06] <jar> Also.
[23:07] <Sysi> in ubuntu you needed install it separately
[23:07] <jar> PPA's exist for this purpose.
[23:07] <Sysi> i still haven't :P
[23:07] <jar> Fedora markets itself as version over feature.
[23:07] <jar> er
[23:07] <jar> stability
[23:07] <jar> Fedora is just a base for Redhat.
[23:07] <jar> A test ground, basically.
[23:07] <nicklas_> i dont want an unstable system that i have to reinstall or anything, thats why i dumped sabayon
[23:08] <nicklas_> fedora is definetly not for me then
[23:08] <jar> Fedora isn't marketed as a stable desktop.
[23:08] <jar> It's Redhat's cutting edge test bed.
[23:08] <nicklas_> then you will get problems with nvidia drivers, xorg, kernel and such
[23:09] <nicklas_> nah
[23:09] <nicklas_> i think xubuntu is the only dist i want to use right now
[23:09] <jar> Fedora always adopts stuff first and deals with the breakage later.
[23:10] <Sysi> nicklas_: where have you heard about problems with nvidia?
[23:10] <Sysi> i think i read somewhere that drivers are in rpmfusion
[23:11] <nicklas_> I havent heard about any problems with nvidia in fedora, but i know how cutting edge distros is
[23:11] <nicklas_> so im not going with fedora :-P
[23:12] <Sysi> well, ubuntu is a bit cutting edge
[23:12] <nicklas_> ubuntu/xubuntu has the best mix between stabillity and fresh software
[23:12] <nicklas_> i think
[23:13] <nicklas_> it works after updating packages
[23:13] <Sysi> ahem, ubuntu glasses?
[23:13] <nicklas_> lol
[23:13] <nicklas_> no
[23:13] <Sysi> i know ubuntu and derivants are good
[23:13] <nicklas_> i also like pardis
[23:13] <Sysi> but at least karmic have been a bit diappointment
[23:13] <nicklas_> pardus
[23:14] <nicklas_> yes
[23:14] <nicklas_> but right now its the only dist i can use
[23:14] <knome> Sysi, jaunty was a very good release for xubuntu.
[23:15] <Sysi> yes, i still have that on desktop
[23:15] <Sysi> working perfectly
[23:15] <nicklas_> why is it a dissapointment?
[23:15] <Sysi> bugs
[23:16] <nicklas_> yes?
[23:16] <Sysi> sound muted after boot etc
[23:16] <Sysi> wlan stucks
[23:16] <nicklas_> had that problem with previous version, muted sound
[23:16] <nicklas_> but not now
[23:18] <knome> in karmic, there is not really a media player that *just works*.
[23:18] <Sysi> i haven
[23:18] <nicklas_> there isnt?
[23:18] <nicklas_> it does for me
[23:18] <Sysi> 't had problems
[23:18] <knome> listen is totally unusable, banshee doesn't always even start, exaile crashes often
[23:18] <Sysi> rhythmbox ftw
[23:18] <nicklas_> no problem here
[23:19] <nicklas_> audacious is also good
[23:19] <Sysi> yeah
[23:19] <knome> nicklas_, good to hear, but i've had a different experience
[23:19] <knome> i need a player that's able to handle a collection
[23:19] <jar> I use Banshee happily fwiw.
[23:19] <jar> :(
[23:19] <jar> It's not exactly lightweight.
[23:19] <jar> But eh, it's worth it.
[23:20] <Sysi> knome: why not rhythmbox?
[23:20] <knome> Sysi, can't remember.
[23:20] <knome> i've tested it though.
[23:20] <Sysi> i like it, everyone doesn't
[23:20] <nicklas_> why did xubuntu change from listen too exaile?
[23:20] <Sysi> why did change to listen
[23:21] <knome> nicklas_, more featureful. and fwiw, listen is totally broken in karmic :P
[23:21] <nicklas_> it is?
[23:21] <knome> at least for me.
[23:22] <knome> again i can't remember what's broken there but it didn't work
[23:22] <knome> so i stooped using it
[23:23] <knome> iirc there was some kind of memleak/crashing issue on listen
[23:23] <nicklas_> you didnt get audio or something like that?
[23:23] <knome> it might have been solved by now
[23:23] <knome> i did.
[23:23] <knome> can't really remember, that's so long ago
[23:27] <Sysi> this kde soo sucks
[23:27] <Sysi> i can't even choose a language
[23:27] <Sysi> xfce.now
[23:28] <nicklas_> i dont need gnome or kde anymore, too much eye candy and functions :-P
[23:28] <Sysi> not enough :)
[23:28] <Sysi> or hard to set up
[23:30] <nicklas_> lol woot?
[23:31] <Sysi> opacities first
[23:31] <Sysi> moving beetveen workspaces
[23:31] <nicklas_> in kde you mean?
[23:32] <knome> opacity on desktop is distracting
[23:32] <nicklas_> depends on how you use it and how much
[23:33] <knome> no, it's distracting even in the smallest amounts.
[23:34] <Sysi> opacity ♥
[23:34] <knome> yes.
[23:34] <knome> :)
[23:35] <Sysi> like mac ui, not best settings but so candy that you just can't resist
[23:35] <Sysi> no best/pretty irritating
[23:35] <nicklas_> ska ha 100/100 men fick upp 15.02 o ner 91.07
[23:35] <knome> nicklas_, english please... :)
[23:36] <nicklas_> sorry, wrong channel
[23:36] <knome> i guessed that ;)
[23:36] <Sysi> knome: you should understand that ;)
[23:36] <knome> Sysi, i do :P
[23:38] <nicklas_> knome, swedish?
[23:39] <knome> nicklas_, from finland, but as you know, swedish is our second official language
[23:39] <nicklas_> knome, yeah
[23:39] <Sysi> knome, we'll win this, there's two os us!
[23:40] <knome> haha
[23:43] <Sysi> aww, xfce ♥


 We definitly need more packagers.
[00:03] <sgclark> clivejo is/was doing some great work there.
[00:04] <sgclark> if we find a few more for when folks are busy with life , that would be great
[00:04] <sgclark> spread the load a bit.
[00:04] <sgclark> anyway, I am off for the evening.
[00:28] <yofel> Unpacking analitza4-common (4:4.14.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.04~ppa1) ...
[00:28] <yofel> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/analitza4-common_4%3a4.14.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[00:28] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/libanalitza/plots/polar.plots', which is also in package analitza-common 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1
[00:29] <yofel> I'll fix that
[00:31] <ahoneybun> mm
[00:35] <mparillo> yofel: Does that mean I hold off testing the trusty KDE Apps Upgrade?
[00:36] <mparillo> hold off is American English for delay.
[00:36] <yofel> well, you can try the default upgrade. This was with kubuntu-full
[00:36] <yofel> but yeah, this will need re-testing once it's built
[00:39] <mparillo> Then I will wait a bit. But getting close to my children's bedtime (and therefore mine)
[01:35] <mparillo> yofel: please post when you are ready for me to try the upgrade. I will look for it tomorrow. All: Even though I no longer use 14.04 I am glad to participate in this effort.
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:27] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[11:39] <sgclark> morning
[11:41] <mparillo> sgclark: good morning. Last night yofel was uploading one more thing to trusty.
[11:41] <yofel> long published, please re-test
[11:41] <mparillo> yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/libanalitza/plots/polar.plots', which is also in package analitza-common 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1
[11:42] <sgclark> yofel: akonadi is missing ppa tag
[11:42] <mparillo> OK, I am ready to re-test
[11:42] <yofel> sgclark: as was the one before that, hardly fixable now
[11:42] <yofel> hm
[11:43] <sgclark> hmm odd
[11:43] <sgclark> I am using bzr-buildpackage-ppa
[11:43] <yofel> one could upload ubuntu4~ppa just to make it obvious
[11:43] <yofel> are the other backports in branches somewhere?
[11:43]  * yofel uploaded analitza by hand
[11:43] <sgclark> I am using the bzr
[11:44] <sgclark> as we stopped susing bzr at 4.14.2
[11:44] <sgclark> so it kinda fit
[11:44] <yofel> aaah
[11:44] <yofel> ok, let me fix that then
[11:44] <sgclark> k
[11:45] <mparillo> Muon Update Manager still gives me the WARNING: Installing unverified software represents a security risk.
[11:45] <sgclark> mparillo: did you use add-apt-repository to add the ppa?
[11:45] <mparillo> I added it to my software sources using Muon Updater.
[11:45] <sgclark> otherwise you need to import the key
[11:46] <sgclark> no clue how muon handles keys
[11:46]  * sgclark doesnt use it
[11:47] <mparillo> OK, I will cancel, remove the PPA from Muon Updater and try the command line
[11:49] <mparillo> Hmm did that and I noticed Independent in my software sources. I do not recall seeing that one before.
[11:49] <sgclark> what is that?
[12:00] <mparillo> I am not sure where Independent came from. It is on my 14.04 VM (with a fresh install and only rekonq kteatime open-vm-tools-desktop added), but not on this 15.10 netbook.
[12:02] <mparillo> In any case I am doing the add-apt-repository, and it imported the keys. I did an apt update and upgrade and dist-upgrade (all separately and all without my usual -y switch) and they sem to be running smoothly
[12:12] <mparillo> So it looks as if the key is not installed by default (it might be for the regular backports PPA), as they completed sucessfully, and now a re-boot is indicated.
[12:19] <sgclark> yeahprobably
[12:23] <mparillo> Re-booted, and Kate, Dolphin, and Konsole appear to be working (though for some reason in Kate when I open home is looks empty, but if I open root, then go to home, I see the folder with my user name). Is there a version number of any of them that I can check to see if I got the right updates?
[12:23] <sgclark> 4.14.3
[12:25] <mparillo> Dolphin is 4.14.3. Kate is 3.14.13 and Konsole is 2.13.2 but all three are using KDE Development Platform 4.14.13
[12:25] <mparillo> Dolphin is 4.14.13. Kate is 3.14.13 and Konsole is 2.13.2 but all three are using KDE Development Platform 4.14.13
[12:27] <sgclark> hmm k, guess that is right
[12:28] <sgclark> let me try to reproduce, may have to file a bug upstream
[12:41] <mparillo> I see that the apt-cache policy for kate is 4:4.14.3 which differs from the internal version on the help about menu
[12:49] <sgclark> does not happen for me, kate opens Documents which in my case is empty
[12:49] <sgclark> home directory has all the expected folders
[13:00] <mparillo> I tried it again, and kate seemed to work as expected. And I now remember that the packaging version numbers (from apt-cache policy) do not necessarily align with the internal applications version numbers
[13:04] <sgclark> excellent, thank you very much for all your help mparillo
[13:27] <mparillo> My pleasure. And it is funny, I think I miss Plasma 4.
[16:35] <santa_> yofel, sgclark: around? I would like to discuss a simple technical detail of kubuntu-automation
[16:44] <soee> yofel: ping
[16:47] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PRIME-Sync-Tearing
[18:11] <prth> hi Riddell
[19:03] <santa_> Mamarok: sorry in advance if this ping bothers you, is this ok with you https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-October/010066.html ?
[19:05] <Mamarok> santa_: yes, that is OK, you do not need to ask me, see what ahoneybun wrote about it already :)
[19:06] <ahoneybun> :)
[19:06] <santa_> Mamarok: ok, thank you, I just wanted to be sure ;)
[19:07] <santa_> sorry about the first poll btw
[19:10] <Mamarok> no problem, I was just a tad astonished you seemd so in a hurry to put dates that were already in the past when you sent the link to :)
[19:10] <santa_> haha
[19:52] <mparillo> I get santa_ is in a hurry, yes; in a hurry to help with build automation.
[20:09] <Mamarok> he can start right away, the membership is just the icing on the cake :)
[20:26] <valorie> mparillo: really? I never miss plasma 2 at all (except the weather widget, and my beloved little Luna/Moon widget)
[20:26] <valorie> but my widgets will come in time, I hope
[21:12] <mparillo> Spell-check widget is the widget I miss the most.
[21:13] <valorie> hmmm, never heard of that one
[21:13] <valorie> mparillo: why not port it?
[22:18] <mparillo> Out of my league (at least until the children grow and/or I retire).
[22:25] <santa_> ah, indeed kubuntu-automation is kind of a hurry - unlike the membership, which is less urgent - I have been working a bit on it today
[22:26] <valorie> oh good
[22:27] <valorie> tooling to make the work lighter for everyone seems important


[12:24] <BenC> kylem: The kernel ends up needing a unsigned 64-bit cmp function from libgcc
[12:24] <BenC> __ucmpdi2 to be exact
[12:25] <BenC> it's something in v4l2
[12:25] <kylem> ok
[12:26] <BenC> it'll show up in modpost
[12:26] <BenC> I don't understand why x86_64 and sparc64 didn't already show it
[12:27] <BenC> oh, well, probably because di2 isn't needed on 64-bit
[12:27] <BenC> well, it didn't show on x86 :)
[12:28] <kylem> is it ppc64?
[12:28] <BenC> nope, ppc32
[12:29] <kylem> ok.
[12:30] <kylem> could just disable that on ppc i suppose...
[12:30] <BenC> hehe, could just disable ppc :)
[12:30] <kylem> heh, but but but. :)
[01:58] <kylem> BenC, looking into the ppc failure now
[03:06] <BenC> kylem: I'm not sure if it's correct, but it may be that getting __ucmpdi2.S from gcc would be the right thing
[03:07] <kylem> i think i remember you just needing to pull something from libgcc.
[03:19] <BenC> I'm talking with benh now...hoping he has some ideas
[03:31] <kylem> ok
[03:41] <BenC> benh concludes the gcc thievery
[03:43] <BenC> kylem: you want to do the dirty work?
[03:47] <zul> heh
[03:56] <kylem> sure.
[03:59] <kylem> 00000000         *UND*  00000000 __ucmpdi2
[03:59] <kylem> thar she blows
[04:00] <BenC> kylem: Want to see something ugly?
[04:00] <BenC> git-diff-tree -p e75f9cee32827853fc2f9d1ceb6352e3edc33e9d | less
[04:00] <BenC> look for v4l2_norm_to_name
[04:01] <kylem> is this going to cause me to hate someone? :)
[04:02] <kylem> ew.
[04:03] <kylem> +               v4l2_std_id *id = arg,norm;
[04:03] <kylem> *blink*
[04:03] <BenC> that thar is the culprit of the ucmpdi2
[04:04] <BenC> kylem: Here's the cool part...v4l2_std_id is a bitmask, and that use it in a switch statement!
[04:04] <BenC> yay for programmers
[04:05] <kylem> ergh.
[04:19] <kylem> this driver is fucked.
[04:25] <kylem> doesn't look like there's a .S
[04:25] <kylem> in libgcc
[04:26] <kylem> huh kvm got merginated.
[04:30] <BenC> I've been wanting to test kvm
[04:30] <BenC> that's such a poor name though
[04:31] <kylem> fuck, i was going to test on parisc (to see how that symbol gets defined) but linus' tree is all borkinated. bleh.
[04:41] <kylem> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/ppc-__ucmpdi2.diff
[04:41] <kylem> i think that ought to work, from what i recall doing on parisc.
[04:43] <kylem> void foo(void); EXPORT_SYMBOL(foo); is pretty evil, i think it will work for my atheros hack too.
[04:43] <kylem> since gcc takes care of the calling convetions for those, all we need to do is make sure it gets linked.
[05:09] <BenC> kylem: Almost line-for-line what I already started building
[05:10] <kylem> cool
[05:14] <BenC> c0115c30 T __ucmpdi2
[05:14] <BenC> sweet, worked
[05:14] <BenC> MODPOST doesn't complain either
[05:15] <kylem> unF!
[05:18] <BenC> want me to just apply that patch, or do you wan to do it and push?
[05:18] <kylem> might as well just apply it, it's pretty trivial
[05:21] <kylem> want me to mail to lkml or will you take care of that?
[06:05] <BenC> kylem: good night, and thanks
[01:27] <zul> hey
[02:52] <kylem> morning.
[02:54] <zul> morning kyle how are you
[02:56] <kylem> not bad
[02:56] <kylem> i made a western so i'm happy :)
[02:56] <zul> cool..
[02:56] <zul> its kind of warm outside today
[02:56] <kylem> yes veru
[02:56] <kylem> y
[02:57] <Mithrandir> zul: you're aware that if you want any new xen-3.0 uploads to build, you need to get libvncserver-dev in main?
[02:57] <Mithrandir> zul: you might want to write a MIR for that
[02:57] <zul> ok..
[02:57] <Mithrandir> jfyi
[03:43] <jerom1> Hi all
[03:44] <jerom1> When i add theses packages in my kickstart linux-headers-server, linux-image-server, linux-source my initrd is failed after reboot. Have you an idea ?
[03:59] <BenC> in kickstart? You mean like for an install, or what?
[03:59] <kylem> whoo
[04:00] <jerom1> benC : yes i use kickstart with PXE boot for install HP Proliant DL360 G5 Server
[04:02] <BenC> jerom1: And is it the initrd for the installer, or after you install and reboot, that is failing?
[04:02] <jerom1> it's failed after my install and reboot
[04:03] <BenC> and what's the failing message?
[04:04] <jerom1> unmoutable device ... kernel panic after reboot
[04:04] <jerom1>  and my grub conf is ok
[04:08] <derekS> are there still issues with 2.6.19-7.10 booting up? i am having them...
[04:08] <derekS> not sure if its my fault or the package
[05:22] <BenC> ppc64 is booting 2.6.20 now
[05:22] <zul> cool
[05:26] <kylem> sweet
[05:26] <_MMA_> BenC: About the spec you wanted me to get together.  Or should we restrain ourselves?
[05:27] <BenC> _MMA_: get it all out there
[05:27] <_MMA_> No problem.
[05:31] <derekS> hey, did you guys read my question above?
[05:31] <mjg59> BenC: Surely linking libgcc can't be the right answer?
[05:32] <kylem> mjg59, it's the right answer on a whole lot of platforms.
[05:32] <kylem> the "right" answer is shooting the v4l author.
[05:32] <mjg59> Really? Ouch.
[05:32] <BenC> mjg59: It seems to be what othr architectures do
[05:32] <BenC> mjg59: It's pretty much the same as taking the .S for that op and compiling it with the kernel
[05:32] <mjg59> Yeah
[05:32] <kylem> we /aren't/ linking libgcc.
[05:33] <kylem> it will just take the specific functions it needs from the .a
[05:33] <kylem> and throws the rest away.
[06:32] <tepsipakki> kylem: do you have an ETA for the dapper-kernel you've been working on?
[06:59] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[07:05] <kylem> sorry, was eating lunch
[07:06] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[07:06] <BenC> mjg59: Can you look at the release/completion patch we have in some of the pcmcia controller drivers and tell me if we still need them?
[07:07] <BenC> I'm getting a softlockup in i82365 on my P4 and I think it might be related to those changes
[07:08] <mjg59> release/completition patch?
[07:10] <BenC> it adds a release() call back to the platform device, and it calls complete()...module exit does a wait_for_completion() on it
[07:10] <BenC> it's was suspend related, IIRC
[07:10] <BenC> been around since breezy I think
[07:11] <mjg59> Uh.
[07:11] <mjg59> Not actually sure if it was anything to do with me.
[07:11] <BenC> I thought I remembered you asking me to put it back in dapper because I left it out...maybe I am misremembering :)
[07:11] <BenC> if you don't know anything about it, I'm killing it
[07:12] <mjg59> Looks like it came from http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2004-March/000598.html
[07:13] <BenC> that patch isn't causing the softlockup anyway
[07:15] <BenC> I think that's uneeded now...the drivers are using platform_device_alloc() which has:
[07:15] <BenC>                 pa->pdev.dev.release = platform_device_release;
[07:16] <BenC> oops, I didn't actually use the unpatched one...reverting that patch fixes it
[07:17] <kylem> hmm
[07:22] <BenC> kick ass
[07:23] <BenC> that softlockup was my last hurdle before upload
[07:25] <tepsipakki> BenC: do you plan to enable ext4 in it, if not yet then maybe later?
[07:32] <BenC> tepsipakki: When it's not marked experimental
[07:33] <tepsipakki> ok, thanks
[07:33] <BenC> If people want it, they can apt-get the source tarball and build it themselves for testing
[07:33] <tepsipakki> sure, not wise to keep experimental stuff in a supported kernel
[07:34] <tepsipakki> by default
[08:13] <kylem> hmm, still no sprint location
[08:13] <kylem> the suspense kills me. ;-P
[08:14] <kylem> BenC, i heard back from patrick, need to modify the -4572 fix before i can apply it.
[08:31] <BenC> kylem: Yeah, saw that
[09:19] <zul> BenC: ping did you get a chance to try it yet?
[09:49] <derekS> is anyone still experienceing the bug with grub+2.6.19-7?
[10:02] <BenC> derekS: "the bug"?
[10:03] <BenC> zul: Not yet, will do it for sure this evening though
[10:05] <zul> cool...its warm enough i take it? ;)
[10:05] <derekS> lemme find the number
[10:09] <derekS> BenC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/73090
[10:09] <derekS> i think that is the bug i am still seeing
[10:17] <derekS> it starts grub, then nothing really happens
[10:17] <derekS> i get a few errors, then black screen
[10:36] <BenC> derekS: I don't think so
[10:36] <BenC> I mean, I don't think that's your bug
[10:36] <derekS> BenC: hmmm, ok
[10:37] <derekS> it starts grub (ie i see the 2 lines of txt) then weird stuff happens, then i get an error about nvram... then a few more warnings/errors, then something about cpu(either 0 or 1, dual cpu machine) has stalled
[10:37] <derekS> if i wait long enough the screen turns blank
[10:38] <derekS> different bug?
[10:41] <kylem> woot. there. tg3, sky2, and forcedeth work on edgy/dapper with the same code.
[10:42] <zul> neat
[10:46] <BenC> derekS: Yeah, that's nothing to do with grub, that's a softlockup
[10:46] <BenC> derekS: edit the grub command line from the grub menu, remove "quiet splash" and take a screenshot of the failure
[10:48] <derekS> BenC: i am at work and thats on my home computer :) but i can't really take a "screenshot"... i will take a photo thouhg
[10:48] <BenC> derekS: screenshot in this case means digital photo :)
[10:48] <derekS> haha ok
[10:48] <derekS> you haven't seen ab ug like that though?
[11:15] <BenC> derekS: I have, but they are all different
[11:16] <derekS> BenC: allright, i am going hom from work in a bit, i will do it, and post a link :)
[11:17] <kylem> way to go intel
[11:17] <kylem> ipw3945 is broken on 2.6.15 despite them claiming to support it.
[11:22] <BenC> derekS: Just file a bug against linux-source-2.6.19
[12:05] <kylem> there, fixed bloody ipw3945.
[12:08] <BenC> and it's not even a year old yet :)
[12:08] <kylem> heh.
[12:08] <kylem> it annoys me when vendors don't have a VCS for their drivers. :/


[15:53] <Deano59> Hi
[15:54] <Deano59> What date is the beta/RC being released?
[15:56] <Deano59> Looks like the rc is out, where can I download it to test?
[16:43] <Maik> Beta has been released on April 1st
[16:45] <Maik> Deano59: also about RC's: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate


[01:16] <tsimonq2> lynorian: ping
[01:17] <tsimonq2> lynorian: for bug 1600686 , you could have gone ahead and tried to confirm on FAT32 and NTFS partitions, those are common for external storage
[01:18] <tsimonq2> lynorian: could you please do that? :)
[01:24] <lynorian> I wonder if I have anything ntfs
[01:24] <tsimonq2> lynorian: VM! \o/
[01:24] <lynorian> tsimonq2 true
[01:27] <tsimonq2> lynorian: btw, did you get my email?
[01:27] <lynorian> which?
[02:08] <tsimonq2> agaida: using compton(-conf) in the lxqt metapackage basically bricks networking on the install
[02:08] <tsimonq2> agaida: because it conflicts with network-manager and resolvconf
[08:05] <agaida> not compton, connman
[15:56] <Guest30271> Today I got a surprise error using apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer:  E: Failed to fetch http://downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/andale32.exe  Hash Sum mismatch
[15:56] <Guest30271> not sure who to tell, but since yesterday something on sourceforge is corrupted.
[15:57] <Guest30271> that's all.  I worked out my problem another way, just wanted to let someone somewhere know this is an issue.  maybe hacker, maybe just a disk problem
[20:42] <bbuccianti> holas
[20:42] <bbuccianti> Hay alguien?
[20:43] <bbuccianti> sorry
[20:43] <bbuccianti> Hi!
[20:45] <lynorian> hi bbuccianti do you have a support question
[20:48] <bbuccianti> yes
[20:49] <bbuccianti> my kernel is booting in 16s
[20:49] <wxl> pick a channel, bbuccianti. just one.
[20:50] <bbuccianti> :D