[05:20] <Squirm> morning
[05:30] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[05:30] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[05:30] <Kilos> wow lagging bad
[05:30] <Kilos> 17secs
[05:31] <Kilos> morninginesquand others
[05:31] <Kilos> oi
[05:35]  * Kilos tries again
[05:36] <Kilos> morning Squirm inetpro and others
[05:41] <Kilos> more bushtech
[05:51] <Squirm> hey Kilos
[06:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy Xethron
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings :)
[06:23] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:34] <Kilos> Maaz: seen tinuvamac
[06:34] <Maaz> Kilos: tinuvamac was last seen 11 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes and 22 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-11-06 11:17:03 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-11-14 07:14:26 PST
[06:42] <bduk> Morning everyone
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: seen tinuvama_
[06:42] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: tinuvama_ was last seen 3 days, 17 hours, 34 minutes and 7 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-11-14 05:08:10 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-11-14 05:28:42 PST
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos-: ^^
[06:43] <Kilos-> ty ThatGraemeGuy i just want him to post a screenshot of a mac so i can compare elementaryos look to it
[06:44] <Kilos-> trying to find what they look like is not easy with google
[06:45] <Kilos-> what i found shows wallpaper but not the bottom of the screen so i can see that docker thing
[06:49] <Kilos> ai!
[07:30]  * Kilos changing sims again, sorry
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> sit still :P
[08:04] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[08:04] <TinuvaMac> hi
[08:05] <Kilos> please post a screenshot so i can see what a mac desktop looks like
[08:05] <Kilos> no rush
[08:05] <TinuvaMac> nothing special
[08:05] <TinuvaMac> kinda like gnome3 + cairo dock - desktop icons
[08:05] <Kilos> i have installed elementaryos and read it looks like mac
[08:06] <Kilos> but am back on kde so no rush
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> http://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-desktop.png
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> http://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-dock-not-hidden.png
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> http://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-irc.png
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> http://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-safari-browser.png
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> http://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-notifications-today.png
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> http://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-notifications-actual.png
[08:14] <TinuvaMac> there you go Kilos
[08:15] <Kilos> ty TinuvaMac
[08:16] <TinuvaMac> well thats the newest mac osx anyway
[08:16] <TinuvaMac> the previous version was more classic
[08:16] <Kilos> ?
[08:16] <TinuvaMac> but i only ran it for like a week before the new version came out
[08:16] <Kilos> first one dont show the dock thing, do you hide the dock
[08:16] <TinuvaMac> yeah i hide
[08:17] <TinuvaMac> otherwise it takes that bottom space away from windows
[08:17] <Kilos> where is it ? thats what i actually want to see
[08:17] <TinuvaMac> i like to be able to make windows go bigger
[08:17] <TinuvaMac> check the 2nd link i posted
[08:17] <Kilos> ok
[08:17] <TinuvaMac> named dock-not-hidden
[08:17] <Kilos> ah
[08:17] <TinuvaMac> but again, thats the  new dock in OSX 10.10
[08:17] <TinuvaMac> in 10.9 it looked completely different
[08:18] <TinuvaMac> in 10.9 it was more 3d'ish
[08:18] <TinuvaMac> cairo dock probably mimicks the older 10.9 dock
[08:18] <Kilos> oh ya, elementaryos looks the same
[08:18] <TinuvaMac> ah ok
[08:18] <Kilos> nice car
[08:18] <Kilos> ty for that
[08:18] <TinuvaMac> haha yeah, love eleanor
[08:19] <TinuvaMac> well glad you like it
[08:19] <TinuvaMac> but even though elementaryos tries to look like mac, it will never be the same really
[08:20] <TinuvaMac> osx still has a massive edge
[08:20] <TinuvaMac> its as easy as windows, if not easier, and has the power of unix behind it
[08:20] <TinuvaMac> i never used to like apple products, but this osx convinced me to join the i-herd
[08:20] <TinuvaMac> so now i am too, an i-sheep
[08:31] <charl> good morning
[08:31] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:31]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:36] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm... curried kaaiings even better
[08:54] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:54] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:54] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:13] <Kilos> hi gremble
[09:18] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[13:03] <charl> hi Cantide
[13:03] <Cantide> hi!
[13:03] <Cantide> it's been a long time 'o'
[13:03] <Cantide> how have you been?
[13:04] <Cantide> >_>
[13:06] <Kilos-> hi Cantide
[13:06] <Cantide> hallo '-'
[13:15] <charl> moshi moshi
[13:15] <Cantide> o'o
[13:15] <Cantide> yeobusaeyo?
[13:16] <charl> oh now i get it
[13:16] <Cantide> I hear Japan has entered a recession
[13:16] <charl> you've been in asia for too long you speak in emoticons now
[13:16] <Cantide> lol
[13:16] <Cantide> i did this before coming to Asia
[13:16] <Cantide> i've only been here a year ,_,
[13:16] <charl> be careful or you'll turn into a weeaboo
[13:17] <Cantide> what's that?
[13:17] <charl> have you seen filthy frank's show over weeaboos
[13:17] <Cantide> 'o'
[13:17] <Cantide> i haven't
[13:17] <charl> ok one moment
[13:17] <Cantide> nor do i know who filthy frank is
[13:17] <charl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFQQALduhzA
[13:19] <Cantide> aha
[13:19] <Cantide> i see
[13:19] <Cantide> i'm totally not a weeaboo
[13:19] <Cantide> his voice will drive me mad, so i'll pause this :p
[13:20] <charl> true, true
[13:20] <Cantide> aahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:20] <Cantide> i skipped a bit
[13:20] <Cantide> he has a wig
[13:20] <Cantide> ahahaahahaha
[13:22] <charl> that guy is past crazy
[13:22] <charl> waaaaay past crazy
[13:22] <charl> crazy was a long time ago
[13:23] <Cantide> i think he has permanently damaged his voice
[13:23] <Cantide> and soon he will sound like a weeaboo forever
[13:23] <Cantide> but he does make good points
[13:23] <Cantide> and makes a lot of sense
[13:24] <Cantide> whilst disrespecting many people
[15:37] <somaunn> Hello Guys
[15:38] <somaunn> Hello Kilos-
[15:38] <Kilos-> hi somaunn
[15:39] <somaunn> What news ???
[15:51] <somaunn> Possible to get a full ubuntu image ?
[15:52] <somaunn> with KDE and GNOME and all these desktops in there ?
[16:01] <Kilos-> lol
[16:01] <Kilos-> fighting cell phone as well
[16:01] <Kilos-> and trying to get whatsapp in pidgin
[16:03] <somaunn> Kilos-: fighting for whatsapp.... massive lol
[16:04] <Kilos-> i want to use it in pidgin
[16:04] <Kilos-> fone too small for me to use comfortably
[16:04] <somaunn> lolol
[16:07] <Kilos-> and working on a motherboard that had the graphics card socket broken out
[16:07] <somaunn> just buy a new graphic bro
[16:09] <Kilos-> no its the socket where the graphics card plugs in that has been broken off the board
[16:09] <Kilos-> so many pins sticking up in the air
[16:10] <Kilos-> all bent and buckled and touching each other etc
[16:10] <somaunn> bad news bro bad news
[16:11] <Kilos-> i want to remove one from another board and solder it in place but good eyes needed
[16:11] <Kilos-> pins very close to each other
[16:53] <Kilos-> hi ,joe
[16:53] <Kilos-> hmm...
[16:53] <Kilos-> Joe_knock:
[16:53] <Kilos-> thats better
[16:53] <Joe_knock> Hey there Kilos-
[16:54] <Kilos-> oh my
[16:54] <Joe_knock> Username change?
[16:54] <Kilos> must have disconnected sometime
[16:56] <Kilos> evening superfly
[16:56] <Kilos> hi z3r009
[16:56] <z3r009> sup
[16:57] <Kilos> not much and you?
[16:57] <z3r009> same, just setting up openvpn.
[16:57] <Joe_knock> z3r009 looks new
[16:57] <Kilos> ya
[16:58] <z3r009> i am new. yes.
[16:58] <Kilos> now and again we attrack newcomers that stay
[16:58] <Kilos> attract
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:04] <z3r009> uh, can I ask a vague question?(besides this one)
[17:10] <Joe_knock> sure z3r009
[17:11] <Joe_knock> I may reply slow, I have to afk.
[17:12] <z3r009> i forgot how to fix this, but how do you solve that ubuntu error where it won't apt-get stuff?
[17:13] <Joe_knock> that's not vague. what command isn't working and what is the error?
[17:17] <z3r009> the network connection is working, might've had something to with headers..
[17:17] <z3r009> apt-get install and apt-get update fails.
[17:19] <z3r009> yea, i'm not on ubuntu right now, so forgot the error, but i've encountered it a bunch of times on fresh installs of ubuntu/mint
[17:23] <z3r009> pretty vague without the error code..
[17:23] <Kilos> z3r009: sudo apt-get update does what?
[17:23] <Kilos> maybe a morror is down
[17:23] <Kilos> mirror
[17:24] <z3r009> oh well, i'll fix it later.
[17:25] <Kilos> where are you?
[17:25] <Kilos> just run update manager and choose best server
[17:26] <Kilos> then it finds the best one for you
[17:27] <z3r009> cool.
[17:51] <Joe_knock> strange request.
[17:52] <Kilos> he is new to linux i think
[17:52] <Joe_knock> he should definitely be using the update manager then.
[17:55] <Kilos> i forget who he is, the was someone came here too that had to install ubuntu on 10 lappies at work i think, might be him
[17:56] <inetpro> maybe he tried doing it without sudo
[17:56] <inetpro> good evening
[17:56] <Kilos> then it should tell him you dont have permission inetpro not so?
[17:56] <Kilos> hi there\
[17:57] <Kilos> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[17:57] <inetpro> true, but he didn't give the exact error message, did he?
[17:58] <Kilos> remember i also battled in the beginning because many guides and help places dont tell noobs about sudo
[17:58] <Kilos> at least update manager with ask for a  password
[18:02] <Kilos> i wonder now if he is the windows guy installing ubuntu on them 10 lappeis for his company
[18:02] <Kilos> i got the idea they are going to market them as dual boot lappies
[18:03] <Joe_knock> selling them? I'd buy one.
[18:04] <Kilos> serious?
[18:04] <Kilos> i think they were to dual boot with win8.1
[18:06] <inetpro> wow!
[18:06] <Joe_knock> I've been looking for a new laptop for a while now. We have terrible prices in SA
[18:06] <inetpro> Whatsapp integrating Textsecure to make it the largest deployment of end-to-end encryption ever http://wrd.cm/1vmuG0g
[18:07] <Kilos> ill try remember if he pops in again Joe_knock
[18:08] <Kilos> whatsapp is ok i think for light conversations
[18:08] <Joe_knock> hopefully the price isn't +1000 the regular price.
[18:09] <Kilos> seen some reports on court cases where the get whatsapp logs to use as evidence'
[18:09] <Kilos> ill ask Joe_knock
[18:09] <Kilos> you want windows too?
[18:09] <Joe_knock> It's weird how whatsapp is american when most of the users are cost-savers and this same app could've been built in a third-world country.
[18:09] <Joe_knock> if the windows is there or not, it's fine.
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe if i ever get one first thing i do is wipe win
[18:11] <Joe_knock> do you still have interest in consumer things?
[18:12] <Kilos> whats that?
[18:12] <Kilos> eggs and bread
[18:12] <Joe_knock> those are basics. things like iphone 6 and android tablet, etc.
[18:14] <Kilos> oh no i dont have money for that kinda stuff, got a xperia only for whatsapp and working to get whatsapp in pidgin then the fone gets shelved
[18:14] <Kilos> i have an old nokia that can do sms and fone calls
[18:14] <Kilos> pc must do everything else
[18:15] <Kilos> but having spent some time on the xperia i will maybe be able to use a tablet now
[18:15] <Kilos> the touch screen and android frightened me to start with
[18:18] <Joe_knock> aah so it kind of "is" there.
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe ya
[18:18] <Kilos> im to old for all this new stuff
[18:20] <inetpro> just need to be careful that we don't get a false sense of security now with whatsapp, they can still do anything in the background when integrating to their solution
[18:21] <Kilos> z3r009:
[18:21] <Kilos> talk to me
[18:21] <Kilos> are you the one installing ubuntu onto 10 lappies
[18:21] <Joe_knock> sounds dodgy to me. facebook will have a backdoor.
[18:22] <Kilos> best place to chat serious stuff is pidgin otr
[18:22] <Kilos> irc otr is hard work
[18:23] <Kilos> maybe dcc chat is safe i dunno
[18:23] <charl> dcc chat is also plaintext when it goes over the wire
[18:23] <charl> irssi supports otr too over irc
[18:23] <gremble> Hmm, there is an encrpyted chat extention for chrome called cryptocat
[18:23] <Kilos> but isnt it direct between the 2 pcs
[18:24] <gremble> Kilos: even if something is direct, it can still easily be extracted
[18:24] <Kilos> oi
[18:24] <gremble> man in the middle
[18:24] <Kilos> what is in the middle of dcc chat?
[18:25] <Joe_knock> The fibre optic cable
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:25] <Kilos> so much safer than whatsapp and facebook chat
[18:26] <Kilos> oh you mean someone can eavesdrop via the cable
[18:27] <gremble> Eavesdrop in your computer, in the computer of the recipient, as the service provider
[18:27] <gremble> If it is not encrypted, it is probably bad
[18:27] <Kilos> wow wont my firewall block them?
[18:27] <Joe_knock> yep, for all the so-called "software encryption", there is still major control over the actual hardware.
[18:28] <Kilos> so otr is still the best
[18:28] <Kilos> then the 2 pcs encrypt to each other right?
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro: temm me man
[18:33] <Kilos> tell me
[18:35] <inetpro> haha, no point in encrypting irc apart from when you enter your password
[18:35] <Kilos> haha
[18:35] <gremble> You can connect to the IRC using SSL
[18:36] <gremble> Or you can connect to a TOR relay that encrypts using SSL/TLS and also bouncing the connection through a couple of relays
[18:36] <inetpro> gremble: that's just between you and the server
[18:36] <gremble> Yes
[18:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:36] <gremble> What else would you want to do?
[18:36] <gremble> haha
[18:37] <charl> otr, simple
[18:37] <gremble> The content is sort of - public?
[18:37] <Kilos> pidgin otr it is
[18:37] <charl> works across all protocols and has been around for years and years
[18:37] <charl> irssi otr, pidgin otr, any client supporting otr across any protocol
[18:37] <inetpro> any other party who does not do the encryption thing is your weakest link
[18:38] <Kilos> irc otr is lots of work, pidgin is much easier to setup
[18:38] <inetpro> consider everything public
[18:38] <charl> depends on the client Kilos
[18:39] <Kilos> well, luckily i dont have deep dark sectrets to expose
[18:39] <Kilos> irc is ok for me
[18:39] <Kilos> secrets
[18:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:40] <charl> inetpro: i'm not even sure if otr works in group conversations, but i never tried it, but for one to one it's ok
[18:40] <charl> and you still need to trust the other party that they are not logging the conversation regardless
[18:41] <charl> that in addition to their computer not being vulnerable
[18:41] <inetpro> for proper security you need to look at a number of factors
[18:41] <charl> what the nsa will do is they will simply bypass the cryptography and exploit the endpoints
[18:41] <charl> hi magespawn
[18:41] <magespawn> good evening
[18:41] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:41] <magespawn> hi charl
[18:42] <charl> how are you magespawn
[18:42] <inetpro> for some tips see Methodology at https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard
[18:42] <gremble> hosepype decryption
[18:42] <magespawn> o/ Kilos
[18:42] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[18:42] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[18:43] <Joe_knock> south africa is insignificant to the world. all they can do is log about the racist commenters there at news24
[18:43] <charl> sheesh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis
[18:44] <charl> In cryptography, rubber-hose cryptanalysis is the extraction of cryptographic secrets (e.g. the password to an encrypted file) from a person by coercion or torture[1][2]—such as beating that person with a rubber hose, thus the name—in contrast to a mathematical or technical cryptanalytic attack.
[18:44] <gremble> Much cheaper than most other methods
[18:47] <gremble> Looking for the XCKD comic on encryption, found this instead https://xkcd.com/424/
[18:47] <Tonberry> I was reaching for http://xkcd.com/538/
[18:48] <gremble> That was the one I was looking for
[18:48] <gremble> :P
[18:49] <Kilos> oh wow got a dual core pc here that you cant change drives unless you drill pop rivets out of the back cover and small sidw=e cover
[18:52] <Kilos> definitely not made for peeps like me
[18:53] <Joe_knock> how big is the drive?
[18:54] <Kilos> 40g
[18:55] <Kilos> i want to build it up for my sis who only has a p3
[18:55] <Kilos> she still thinks 40g is massive
[18:56] <charl> waaaaaat
[18:57] <Joe_knock> it may be enough for her if she just wants it for browsing/email.
[18:57] <Kilos> haha
[18:57] <charl> well my laptop has 128gb ssd and frankly that's enough for me too
[18:57] <Joe_knock> it's strange that a dual core is using 40GB. How old is it?
[18:58] <Joe_knock> charl how is the experience watching an HD video with an SSD?
[18:58] <Kilos> she plays age of empires 2 and keeps all her photos and music, browses with tablet
[18:58] <charl> Joe_knock: the same as watching an HD video from regular HDD
[18:58] <charl> the bitrate is too low, an HDD is fine
[18:58] <Joe_knock> aah I see.
[18:59] <charl> even for high quality 4k i believe (haven't tried)
[18:59] <Joe_knock> age of empires 2... so she will need windows
[19:01] <Kilos> ya
[19:04] <Kilos> oh wow some more
[19:05] <Joe_knock> you guys watching the friendly games tonight?
[19:05] <Kilos> everything is behind the from cover with screws and plastic clips that hols the hdd brakets in place
[19:07] <charl> wb magespawn
[19:08] <Joe_knock> imgur? Kilos
[19:08] <Kilos> is that a pic paste thing
[19:11] <Joe_knock> yep, send us a picture of the rig.
[19:13] <Kilos> let me see if i can make this xperia take a pic then find how to make bluetooth work
[19:13] <Kilos> my nokias memory card is in the xperia sigh
[19:15] <Joe_knock> do you have a USB cable?
[19:17] <Kilos> not that shows up the thing on my pc
[19:17] <Kilos> have usb cable that fits in it from my nokia but pc dont see anything
[19:19] <Kilos> maybe i have to install some android stuff in kubuntu to make it work
[19:19] <Kilos> inetpro: help man
[19:20] <Kilos> maaz google how to connect xperia to kubuntu pc
[19:20] <Maaz> Kilos: "[How-To] Connect an Android device using MTP in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS ..."  http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/36376/cant-explore-files…
[19:28] <Kilos> hmm... looking for setting to make it usb mode
[19:28] <Kilos> Joe_knock: this could take a while
[19:29] <bushtech> ai kilos
[19:29] <Kilos> maybe easier to just put the memory card back in the nokia
[19:29] <Kilos> ek sukkel man
[19:37] <Kilos> Joe_knock: http://picpaste.com/Image0080-VjRBoCIC.jpg
[19:37] <Kilos> see basic nokia much easier
[19:39] <bushtech> what do those 2 blue thingies do on the front?
[19:39] <Kilos> sien jy dit bushtech ?
[19:39] <bushtech> yep
[19:40] <Kilos> those are the plastic clips that hold drive bracket in place
[19:40] <Kilos> you lever them in and pull drives
[19:41] <bushtech> so dont you release drive with them?
[19:41] <Kilos> after removing screws of course
[19:41] <Kilos> the whloe drive bracket comes out so you can add/remove the drives
[19:42] <bushtech> so what's the problem?
[19:43] <Kilos> no prob now anymore. i couldnt see how to get to drive screws before
[19:43] <Joe_knock> that is quite an old machine there
[19:44] <Kilos> now i gotta pull out them front cover wires that go to m/b as well
[19:44] <Kilos> sigh
[19:44] <Kilos> always battle to get them back right
[19:44] <bushtech> yes make note of where they go
[19:45] <Kilos> eish
[19:45] <Kilos> drive rivetted into bracket too
[19:45] <Joe_knock> take enough photos of the structure before dismantling
[19:45] <Kilos> what a horrible pc for a player
[19:45] <bushtech> or take photo :)
[19:46] <Kilos> ill remember most of it, i can do things i can see
[19:46] <bushtech> drive riveted into bracket???
[19:46] <Kilos> ya
[19:46] <Kilos> no screws on the sides , only rivets
[19:46] <bushtech> holy moly!
[19:47] <Kilos> this was definitely made to only go to the agents for repairs
[19:47] <bushtech> this thing built by a panel beater?
[19:47] <Kilos> rofl
[19:47] <Kilos> never seen anything like it
[19:48] <bushtech> ok, but you just want to put another drive in there?
[19:49] <Kilos> yes i want to add a drive but first
[19:50] <Kilos> i want to clone her 13g to the 40g then resize the 40g so it has spanne space then add her 13g as a second drive
[19:51] <Kilos> she want it to work same as her p3 just faster and with more space
[19:51] <Kilos> hehe
[19:51] <bushtech> ok, but you dont need to pop rivet the replacement drive in there
[19:51] <Kilos> no ill use screws
[19:51] <bushtech> just let the repl. drive lie loose in there\
[19:52] <bushtech> or cable tie it to something
[19:52] <Kilos> but i need to remove this ones rivets to bring the drive to my pc so i can try that dd command to clone the drives
[19:52] <Kilos> nee man goed moet vas wees
[19:52] <bushtech> crap
[19:53] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <bushtech> take drive with bracket to other computer
[19:53] <Kilos> do you use cable ties and prestic there?
[19:53] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:53] <Kilos> clever fella
[19:53] <bushtech> anything that works
[19:54] <bushtech> don't go jogging with my computers so stuff don't need bolting down
[19:54] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <Kilos> ill take pics of those cables tomorrow in the sunlight
[19:55] <Kilos> whew what a job
[19:55] <Kilos> my whole bed full of bits and pieces,
[19:56] <bushtech> please make notes, take photos
[19:56] <Kilos> yip will do
[19:57] <Kilos> even the screws are different to those on my other pcs
[19:59] <bushtech> where do you find this stuff?
[20:00] <bushtech> rhetorical question/ignore
[20:02] <bushtech> heh you remind me of a guy who popped up on an irc one night, got a new gpu but it didn't fit into his box...........
[20:03] <bushtech> so he cut a piece off it and then popped up on irc  wondering why it didn't work
[20:03] <Joe_knock> :-/
[20:04] <bushtech> that channel went very quiet
[20:07] <Kilos> my boet gave it to me
[20:07] <Kilos> before he left for dubai
[20:07] <bushtech> does he like you?
[20:08] <Kilos> hahaha maybe not. but he is one of those who has money and buys things custom built to suit his needs and if it gives probs he takes it back
[20:09] <bushtech> hmmm
[20:09] <Kilos> only thing on it that dont still work is the dvdrom that has a stuck door
[20:10] <Kilos> was a good pc in its time i think
[20:10] <Kilos> kinda top of the range'
[20:10] <Kilos> 2g dual core
[20:10] <bushtech> silicon spray the door mechanism
[20:10] <Kilos> crawler in todays times
[20:11] <Kilos> i dont have that spray but have it in liquid form so will open it and see wassup
[20:12] <Kilos> the silicon liquid they use to lubricate injection things with
[20:12] <bushtech> should work
[20:14] <magespawn> good night all
[20:17] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[20:17] <bushtech> night Kilos
[21:39] <somaunn> hello guys
[21:40] <somaunn> I'm having a strange issue with my KDE install since few days now
[21:40] <somaunn> as soon as i reduce certain windows (skype, vlc to be precise) my KDM goes blanck (black screen and white bar at the bottom
[21:40] <somaunn> then can do nothiung else than go to another tty and reboot everything


[00:01]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose
[00:02]  * Nightrose pokes apachelogger
[00:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how can you dare doing that Oo
[00:02] <Nightrose> oO
[00:03] <Nightrose> you just poked me before
[00:03] <Riddell> doing what?
[00:03] <Nightrose> poking him I assume
[00:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: so wasup?
[00:03]  * NCommander fails miserably
[00:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hm, good point, I actually just wanted attention :P
[00:04]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[00:04] <apachelogger> \o/
[00:04]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose and Riddell and NCommander
[00:04]  * apachelogger is out of arm
[00:05] <NCommander> I don't seem to fit in with the Debian community
[00:05] <NCommander> I posted a debdiff to a proposed change, and the maintainer bit my head off
[00:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: btw do you know that someone was quite jealous of you?
[00:05]  * NCommander grumbles
[00:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: no, who? and why? and when?
[00:05]  * Nightrose hands NCommander a new head
[00:06]  * NCommander apt-get install's it
[00:06] <apachelogger> NCommander: don't we do that as well?
[00:06]  * apachelogger is pretty sure he does some times, when he has a bad day, which is about ever 3rd day :P
[00:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: bf - you can guess the rest, no? ;-)
[00:08] <apachelogger> hm
[00:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nope, maybe you got a clue for me
[00:09] <Nightrose> :P    nvm - /me should just go to bed
[00:09] <goatsocks> apachelogger: you spend too much time packaging... she's making sexual innuendo!
[00:10]  * Nightrose pokes goatsocks
[00:10] <Nightrose> I never do!
[00:11] <goatsocks> only in a polite way, of course
[00:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hm
[00:11] <apachelogger> I want to know
[00:11]  * goatsocks is wrestling with termcap/terminfo and konsole
[00:11]  * apachelogger wants to be jealous of apachelogger as well :S
[00:13] <goatsocks> ok who in here is using 256 color konsole (that is, TERM=xterm-256color) with gnu screen?
[00:15] <goatsocks> konsole is doing something evil with the colors under screen that gnome-terminal doesn't
[00:16]  * NCommander smashs his head more
[00:17] <goatsocks> NCommander: who is this meanie? i'll have HULK come and SMASH him after he SMASHES konsole
[00:17] <NCommander> goatsocks, no, I think I managed to sink my AM application
[00:18] <NCommander> s/AM/NM/g
[00:18] <goatsocks> oh what are you working on with NM?
[00:19] <NCommander> Posting patches to bugs
[00:19] <NCommander> I uploaded a fix as a debdiff with an NMU changelog
[00:19] <NCommander> SInce the way the task on the AM application was worded to do it like that
[00:19] <NCommander> I reposted the patch twice, once for a mistake I caught afterword, and once because my mail client line wrapped (I forgot to turn off that "feature")
[00:20] <NCommander> Debian Maintainer believes I intend to NMU (I hadn't posted an intent to NMU message)
[00:20] <NCommander> Gets rather pissed, and second two emails CCed to the bug, before I can respond
[00:20] <NCommander> So yeah
[00:20] <NCommander> I think I sunk my chances at becoming a DD
[00:42] <apachelogger> NCommander: well, I am never going to become an ubuntu core dev either
[00:42] <NCommander> apachelogger, ouch, why?
[00:42] <apachelogger> I guess there is always the option to go seek shelter at suse's or fedora's :P
[00:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: because i am not responsible enough I guess
[00:44] <apachelogger> NCommander: did I tell you that one could rewrite REVU almost only using ruby rails' automagic generation script? ;-)
[00:45] <NCommander> ..................
[00:46] <apachelogger> seriuosly, you can scaffold the overview page, so you would only need to add the seperate views for updated and archived and then you can scaffold the upload page
[00:46] <apachelogger> do some theming and you are done :P
[00:50] <vorian> eveing!i!i!
[00:50] <vorian> n
[00:53] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[00:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please look at Bug 271935 and work out with pitti what the right answer is.  I'm leaving town for a week in about 8 hours and will be totally offline.
[00:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure
[00:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[06:17] <yuriy> kde4 on a new glossy 24" lcd is gorgeous
[07:37] <jussi01> yuriy: oh shush you... :P
[07:38] <knome> i'm soon going to buy 2x24"
[09:34] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we have packages available for this ?
[09:44] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595&PHPSESSID=a50d9320fd2b30851a4612678b10b489
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a must have I guess ;)
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: even though a kcm module would be better (I'll ping upstream about that)
[10:05] <seaLne> looks nice
[10:59] <Tonio_> seaLne: it is, and kde misses this kind of tools for years
[11:01] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'll probably put a package on revu in a moment, but that's way too late for intrepid
[11:03] <Riddell> trouble with that sort of app is testing it is hard, needs a virtual machine I guess
[11:06] <seaLne> on a dev machine you don't care about
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: also an external drive can help
[11:17] <knome> or large enoughusb stick :P
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, is there any reason we let the kgrubeditor standalone desktop file so that it ends up in the menu ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be removed I guess no ?
[11:27] <Riddell> can be yes
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploading with a fix :)
[12:18] <stdin> hmm, kopete-cryptography is still pending in the new queue after 5 days
[12:23] <Riddell> this is what happens when I'm away on my archive admin day :)
[12:26] <Riddell> stdin: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}  should it depend on kopete?
[12:26]  * Riddell accepts
[12:27] <stdin> Riddell: shlibs apparently adds kopete anyway: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.1), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.1+really4.1.1), kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.1.1), kopete, libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libkleo4, libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
[12:28] <Riddell> that's clever of it
[13:22] <apachelogger> kde rev 862623
[13:22] <Riddell> ViewVCException: 404 Not Found: Invalid revision
[13:29] <rgreening> hey
[13:31] <Riddell> morning rgreening, did you loko at qt 4.4.2?
[13:31] <Riddell> loko
[13:31] <Riddell> hmm
[13:32] <rgreening> Riddell: Yes and no... I started (picked it up again now) last night. I had a look at the configure and saw no differences. I was able to cpy/update the debian dir and debuild -S it. So, just gotta actually build it.
[13:32] <rgreening> Riddell: that's gonna start now
[13:33] <rgreening> Riddell: so, hopefully not to long to buld/test/debdiff for ya
[13:34]  * rgreening thinks I'm eventually going to need to upload deb on my own.... :P
[13:35] <Riddell> not long?  I think you're underestimating how large Qt is :)
[13:35] <knome> Riddell, if he is awfully talented?
[13:36] <Riddell> or has a build cluster
[13:37] <rgreening> Riddell: lol. It's been a while since Gentoo, but I remember Qt taking some time to build... let's see what happens on my system
[13:38] <rgreening> no cluster... though I could easily enough I guess... hehe
[13:39] <rgreening> Riddell: did you have a chance to look at the qtjambi stuff I sent?
[13:39] <Riddell> rgreening: not yet I'm afraid
[13:40] <rgreening> Riddell: k. I'll work on making the "proper" control file. That's still not done. The rules file is mostly complete. Made some notes in it.
[13:41] <rgreening> Riddell: I think phonon may simply be out for the time being. Unless you can make it play nice with KDE phonon_gstreamer and libphonon (or libphononexperimental)
[13:43] <Riddell> yeah, fair enough
[13:43] <rgreening> Riddell: Which is the "correct qt src archive". I had assumed it was qt-x11-opensource-src. However, I extracted the one from 4.4.1 we use and the dir was qt-all-opensource-src. Does it make a difference?
[13:44] <Riddell> I can never remember
[13:44] <Riddell> copy what debian do :)
[13:44] <rgreening> hmm...
[13:49] <apachelogger> rgreening: you are packaging qt 4.4.2?
[13:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: gonna give it a shot. Looks like it should be straight forward.
[13:49] <rgreening> :)
[13:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: you shoudl merge the packaging with debian ;-)
[13:50] <apachelogger> or poke me when you are done, so that I do the merge
[13:50] <rgreening> apachelogger: ? what do you mean?
[13:50] <Riddell> that's not a requirement post merge freeze
[13:50] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'll poke you and riddell... :) np
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: Scott reminded us that the later we remerge with debian the more work it's gonna be
[13:51] <rgreening> let you both duke it out
[13:51]  * apachelogger points out that the kjava thing is buggy
[13:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: the more often we merge with debian without a paticular reason the more work it's going to be and the more chance of introducing bugs :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> also true
[13:52]  * apachelogger needs an own opinion on merges
[13:53] <rgreening> *opinions for sale* *get them while they're hot*
[13:53]  * Hobbsee steals all the opinions, and runs away with them
[13:54]  * rgreening has secretly added dye packs to the opinions *splat*
[13:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:54]  * Hobbsee puts the opinions in the freezer, freezes them, and removes the dye packs.
[13:54] <Hobbsee> thwarted!
[13:54] <rgreening> lol
[13:55] <rgreening> you've done this before I see
[13:55]  * Hobbsee attacks rgreening with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ for trying.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> no, i haven't - but I work in retail, and people tell me these things.
[13:55] <rgreening> *duck*
[13:55] <rgreening> hehe
[13:55] <Hobbsee> OTOH, I *have* disabled the security for dvds with a butter knife.
[13:55] <rgreening> lol
[13:55] <Hobbsee> (without breaking the case)
[13:56]  * rgreening shouts *REBEL*
[13:56] <Hobbsee> it was bought from our compeditors, i was at a friends place, and they were shut for the night.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> and we wanted to watch the movie.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> whta can you do?
[13:57] <Hobbsee> (and don't say "attempt to open it.  fail.  then bitch at the customer service person the next day, as they can't open it, because you broke the lock system)
[13:59] <Hobbsee> er, s/you/they/
[13:59] <Hobbsee> er #2:  incorrect replacement.  it is you.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[14:02] <echidnaman> Riddell: well, we seemed to have merged with debian for the qt4 backports to the KDE4 ppa (Debian ver is higher than current Debian ver in Intrepid)
[14:03]  * JontheEchidna thinks there's a bug about that
[14:09] <apachelogger> true
[14:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/ubuntu-restricted-extras_19_to_20.diff
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: groovy
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: we will have to add java settings to default-settings because of kde bug 171333
[14:18] <apachelogger> considering I find the branch ;-)
[14:18]  * txwikinger whishes a good morning from Canada
[14:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded.  ok
[14:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[14:19] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you :)
[14:20] <Riddell> txwikinger: say hello to the Canadians
[14:20] <txwikinger> Riddell: I will do
[14:20] <rgreening> go Canada!
[14:20] <rgreening> :)
[14:20] <txwikinger> Do you know if we have any Kubuntu promotion going on the Linuxfest in Toronto?
[14:21] <apachelogger> txwikinger: nothing official so far
[14:21] <apachelogger> txwikinger: feel free to organize something ;-)
[14:21] <txwikinger> Well, I already give a presentation
[14:22] <rgreening> with pbuilder, how do I get it to install the required deps in the pbuilder env
[14:22] <txwikinger> Some guys from the LUG here asked me for T-shirts
[14:22] <apachelogger> rgreening: it does automagically
[14:23] <apachelogger> rgreening: considering you have the necessary deps in debian/control
[14:23] <rgreening> oh... hmmm... let me try again. maybe did somethnig wrong
[14:23] <apachelogger> txwikinger: we don't exactly have shirts yet
[14:23] <apachelogger> txwikinger: we are trying to get some though ... featuring a possible new slogan
[14:24] <apachelogger> rgreening: did you debuild the source package? and did you try pbuilding the right dsc file?
[14:24]  * apachelogger is wondering why branching kubuntu-default-settings takes that long
[14:26] <rgreening> apachelogger: I did it wrong last night. Got it working now. Thanks.
[14:29] <Riddell> we did have t-shirts, they sold out
[14:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's we?
[14:29] <rgreening> KDW: cmake'ing things better
[14:30] <rgreening> s/KDW/KDE
[14:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: the marketing doods ;-)
[14:30] <apachelogger> did you actually read the marketing meeting minutes?
[14:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is normal behaviour
[14:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: what is?
[14:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kdelibs-data contains crystalsvg, as does kdeartwork-theme-icon I think
[14:31] <Nightrose> ah that one
[14:31] <Nightrose> ok
[14:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope
[14:31] <apachelogger> so they conflict, making amarok uninstallable if the latter is installed
[14:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it mostly was that we need a real slogan and we might want to do a community competition to find a good one
[14:32] <apachelogger> the winner gets a t-shirt with the slogan and the logo
[14:33] <apachelogger> which could be offered by canonical in the merch shop
[14:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds interesting.  does anyone in canonical know about it?
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: ryanakca said he is going to ask
[14:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we could probably drop crystalsvg from kdeartwork-theme-icon
[14:35] <apachelogger> probably makes sense
[14:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well however it is going to be done I think it would be good to allow to have both installed at the same time
[14:36] <txwikinger> apachelogger: When do I have those shirts here?
[14:36] <apachelogger> txwikinger: 6 months
[14:36] <txwikinger> Too late
[14:37] <apachelogger> txwikinger: we don't even have a slogan yet
[14:37] <txwikinger> Linuxfest is in October
[14:37] <apachelogger> nah, no way we are going to make that
[14:37] <txwikinger> well.. shall I sell ubuntu shirts instead?
[14:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please move the bug to kdeartwork and assign it to me, I will take a look
[14:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: alright
[14:37] <Nightrose> thanks
[14:38] <apachelogger> txwikinger: that is damage promotion :P
[14:38] <txwikinger> Well.. people here want something ;p
[14:40] <txwikinger> What is the problem with the wiki?
[14:40] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you could become 24/7 artist and do kubuntu paintings
[14:40] <txwikinger> I can't login
[14:40] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I ain't no artist
[14:41] <txwikinger> yesterday someone wanted to make a salesperson out of me, today an artist
[14:41] <apachelogger> txwikinger: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=3013
[14:41] <apachelogger> ubuntu - ubuntu
[14:44] <txwikinger> Is it against the Human Rights Act to be forced to use FF?
[14:46] <Riddell> txwikinger: you're in Canada.  Your Human Rights are controlled by the US now.
[14:46] <txwikinger> Riddell: No... they have a Charter of Rights here too
[14:46] <Riddell> see, you've lost your sense of irony already :)
[14:47] <apachelogger> lol
[14:51] <txwikinger> ROFL
[14:52] <txwikinger> Riddell: I still have to regain it.. after such a long time in England ;p
[14:53] <rgreening> Cacada is going to buy the states after all the banks devalue the property there
[14:53] <rgreening> s/Cacada/Canada
[14:53] <rgreening> Then sell it on e-bay
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: latest kubuntu-default-settings ships 3 bug fixes
[14:55] <Riddell> ships?
[14:55] <txwikinger> rgreening: Right, the Can-$ is already pair to the US-$
[14:56] <rgreening> :)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> now we have the monopoly moneh
[14:56] <rgreening> Riddell: to temp remove a patch, I can simply remove it from the series file without deleting if from the patches dir (correct)?
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: includes, holds, well, it would be fixing 3 bugs if you were uploading it ;-)
[14:56] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[14:57] <rgreening> kk
[14:57] <Riddell> rgreening: make sure it's unapplied before you do
[14:57] <rgreening> ok
[14:59] <NCommander> morning Riddell
[15:00] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[15:00] <NCommander> how goes it?
[15:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, btw,4.4.2 > 4.4.1, so we wouldn't really need to merge at all
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> true
[15:04] <Riddell> NCommander: ok, battling with NM again
[15:05] <NCommander> New Maintainer?
[15:05] <rgreening> I feel like the guy in the Duncan Donuts commercials... "time to cmake qt". build, patch fail. Remove patch. Build... :)
[15:05] <Riddell> network-manager
[15:06]  * rgreening hates k-n-m at the moment.
[15:06] <txwikinger> Well.. I am fixing to become more Canadian and get a local driver's licence... Have fun guys!
[15:07] <rgreening> gl
[15:07] <txwikinger> rgreening: Thanks.. need it with my Amp
[15:07] <txwikinger> rgreening: Thanks.. need it with my Amblyopia
[15:07]  * rgreening searches wp:
[15:08] <rgreening> wow.. never knew lazy eye had a real medical term/condition. learn something new everyday.
[15:09] <txwikinger> Well.. lazy eye is not a correct description anyway :D
[15:09] <rgreening> I know... :)
[15:09] <txwikinger> later
[15:09] <rgreening> I have a lazy something else
[15:09] <rgreening> :)
[15:09] <rgreening> l*r
[15:15] <davmor2> Riddell: Where is the Kubuntu alpha 6 announcement?
[15:17] <Riddell> davmor2: somewhere on my todo list
[15:18] <davmor2> Not at the top ;)
[15:19] <rgreening> anyone else have issues with gpg signing periodically? sometimes when I enter the passphrase it fails.
[15:20]  * apachelogger thinks davmor2 wants to write the announcement ;-)
[15:21]  * davmor2 slaps apachelogger hard for having a death wish ;)
[15:21] <apachelogger> we certainly need a new text producer dood
[15:37]  * jussi01 thinks davmor2 rocks!!! (and thanks for doing the studio testing :D )
[15:38]  * davmor2 is just gladd someone else I think sbeattie did the xubuntu alt i386 tests so I had time too :)
[15:41] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so I spoke too soon on the qt build. HAHA. Didn't realize the significant # of patches that there are. Going through them to verify is going to take a bit longer.
[15:45] <Riddell> rgreening: most of the patches are from qt-copy, you may well find they've been updated or removed from svn http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/
[15:46] <rgreening> yeah. found two so far.
[16:23] <rgreening> Riddell: 10_config_tests_fixes.diff - last hunk fails - appears unnecessary - should I rename patch or simply correct and keep same name?
[16:25] <rgreening> Riddell: think I'll rename -r2.diff
[16:30] <Riddell> rgreening: just keep the same name
[16:30] <rgreening> ok
[16:31] <rgreening> Riddell: been able to elim 5 or so patches
[16:32] <Riddell> rgreening: all applied upstream?
[16:32] <rgreening> yep
[16:52] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[16:52] <seele> pong
[16:53] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hows it going?
[16:53] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: good
[16:53] <Artemis_Fowl> but I have no time at all
[16:54] <seele> school?
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> yes
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> so I was thinking of just releasing a new version just for the bugfixes
[16:54] <seele> ok, sounds good
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> since I have no time to do any more improvemenets
[16:54] <seele> i dont know if features could get added at this time anyway
[16:55] <Artemis_Fowl> I think it would require a feature exception but since it contains only bugfixes it will be ok
[16:55] <seele> ok cool
[16:58] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: btw have you thought of a new password-workflow?
[17:04] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: no, i havent had time to work on much kde stuff this week because of work
[17:16] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so now I've checked the patches, I can finally start building qt.. lol. Any estimate on time to quild it on a 1.67Hz celeron with 2Gig RAM?
[17:17] <Riddell> couple of hours?
[17:17] <rgreening> ok, sweet. I'll let you know how it goes then
[17:18] <rgreening> building now
[17:23] <jussi01> hrm, just installed qt4-designer from the members ppa fro hardy... cant get it to start. anyone seen this?
[17:23] <stdin> I'm running designer now, so no :)
[17:24] <jussi01> ohh.. it segfaults...
[17:25] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48341/
[17:26] <stdin> I get all that, except the segfault
[17:26] <jussi01> hrm
[17:27] <stdin> see what gdb has to say?
[17:27] <jussi01> ok, dont laugh, but please tell me how to use gdb...
[17:27] <stdin> I thought you may as ;)
[17:28] <stdin> run "gdb designer" to start
[17:28] <stdin> then type "run" to get designer starting, it should then segfault somewhere, type "bt" to get a backtrace
[17:28] <stdin> then "c" then "q" to finally exit gdb
[17:29] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48343/
[17:31] <stdin> jussi01: what does "dpkg -l | grep qt4" show?
[17:32] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48344/
[17:32] <stdin> well, doesn't look like an installation issue
[17:32] <jussi01> hrm
[17:33] <jussi01> the only really non standard thing here is I have fglrx from envy...
[17:33] <jussi01> (although I wish I knew how to revert)
[17:34] <stdin> jussi01: what's the md5sum of /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1? could be a bad download
[17:34] <stdin> 76fa42e5fb25c082724ad076f8a26e8c  /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1
[17:34] <jussi01> 76fa42e5fb25c082724ad076f8a26e8c  /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1
[17:34] <jussi01> nope
[17:35] <stdin> have you tried the "windows fix" yet?
[17:35] <jussi01> no?
[17:35] <jussi01> which is?
[17:36] <jussi01> restart?
[17:36] <jussi01> hehe
[17:36] <stdin> yeah :p or just logout/in
[17:36] <jussi01> brb
[17:36] <stdin> I've (had to) reboot since the update
[17:36] <stdin> so I don't know if that has anything to do with it
[17:42] <jussi01> stdin: nope. still broken. weird
[17:44] <jussi01> is it possible its missing a dep?
[17:48] <stdin> the only things I have that you don't are "qt4-dev-tools" and "qt4-doc"
[17:48] <stdin> oh, and libqt4-dbg
[18:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: do you have firefox installed?
[18:55] <jussi01> apachelogger: yes
[18:55] <apachelogger> jussi01: hardy?
[18:55] <jussi01> yes
[18:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: please try http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17764996/mozilla-plugin-plasma_0.1~git20080918-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa3_i386.deb
[18:56] <apachelogger> you should be able to test it if you access /usr/share/doc/mozilla-plugin-plasma/examples/plasma.html in firefox
[19:01] <jussi01> apachelogger: that gives me "plasma!!!!" and a plugin install thing, which finds no plugins
[19:01] <apachelogger> jussi01: did you restart firefox?
[19:07] <jussi01> yes
[19:07] <jussi01> (not the first time, but when I tried again same thing)
[19:08] <stdin> apachelogger: ^ same for me
[19:08] <stdin> and about:plugins doesn't show it
[19:08] <apachelogger> fun
[19:08] <apachelogger> well
[19:08] <apachelogger> it probably wouldn't work anyway
[19:08]  * apachelogger senses 4.2 dependency
[19:09] <jussi01> doh!!
[19:10] <rgreening> 4.4.2 on the way soonish
[19:10] <rgreening> doh.. nm
[19:10] <rgreening> I was thinking Qt and not KDE
[19:10] <rgreening> lol
[19:11] <rgreening> Anyone got a KDE4.2 PPA started for pre-release?
[19:11] <Tm_T> I'm on 4.2 world already, iu
[19:11] <rgreening> got debs or SVN?
[19:11] <Tm_T> I build daily from svn
[19:12] <rgreening> cool
[19:12] <rgreening> adventurous
[19:12] <rgreening> :)
[19:12] <Tm_T> not really (:)
[19:12] <DreadKnight> how the heck do i install deb files in kubuntu kde4 mix ?
[19:12] <goatsocks> dpkg -i
[19:12] <Tm_T> wajig install /path/to/package ?
[19:14] <apachelogger> !neon | rgreening
[19:14] <apachelogger> uh
[19:14] <Tm_T> aww
[19:14] <apachelogger> oh
[19:14] <rgreening> lol
[19:14] <Tm_T> son, fix it
[19:14] <apachelogger> no
[19:14] <apachelogger> no time
[19:14]  * apachelogger gotta investigate something
[19:15] <DreadKnight> how stupid.. deb files opened with the useless ark-kde4
[19:15] <DreadKnight> had to manually install gdebi-kde4
[19:15] <apachelogger> jussi01: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel ;-)
[19:15] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: intrepid?
[19:16] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: kde4 mix hardy
[19:16] <DreadKnight> can't even manage to install intrepid...
[19:16] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure we had gdebi-kde4 in the cd seed
[19:16] <jussi01> apachelogger: nice work!!
[19:16]  * apachelogger reads createTar() started with component: amarok-nightly-qt
[19:16] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: did an apt-cache search and there is not even gdebi-kde4 there btw
[19:17] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:17] <apachelogger> !package gdebi-kde4
[19:17] <DreadKnight> gdebi, gdebi-core and gdebi-kde
[19:17] <stdin> you want !info probably
[19:17] <apachelogger> !info gdebi-kde4
[19:17] <DreadKnight> xD
[19:18] <apachelogger> stdin: alias that
[19:18] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: oh
[19:18] <apachelogger> right
[19:18] <apachelogger> there is no such package
[19:18] <DreadKnight> and gdebi-kde is damn slow on one of my boxes... eats the crap out of the cpu
[19:18] <apachelogger> gdebi is used, and that is pretty much in the cd seed
[19:18] <DreadKnight> perhaps a bug; gdebi (on gnome) is a breeze
[19:18] <apachelogger> perhaps
[19:19] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: backport gdebi-kde4 to hardy? ^^
[19:19] <apachelogger> there is no gdebi-kde4 in intrepid either
[19:19] <DreadKnight> erm
[19:20] <apachelogger> jussi01, JontheEchidna, stdin: suggestions about what I could be blogging?
[19:20] <DreadKnight> also, bought a tablet pc recently... and the out of the box config for tablet pc's plain sucks; could be improved dramatically with few changes; plenty of similar how-to's on the net in order to hack your way.. like wtf...
[19:20] <jussi01> apachelogger: about quassel of course :D
[19:22] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: you could buy me one as well, then I would probably make it behave smoother
[19:23] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: i have suggestions on how the experience can be improved; could buy you a beer :-)
[19:23]  * apachelogger can't really do anything without such a device :P
[19:24] <rgreening> I'm getting a Pandora
[19:24] <DreadKnight> even if wacom-tools are installed; the devices are not added to xorg.conf
[19:24] <rgreening> Ubuntu is going on it
[19:25] <DreadKnight> and there is a bug, when rotating screen with krandrtray doesn't rotates the coordonates maping for the stylus
[19:27] <DreadKnight> also creating a right-click for the stylus using the button or mapping the hardware keys by having some handy application around; manage to map the button to right click using a start-up bashbin script i recall, but didn't had enough pacience to map keys
[19:30]  * rgreening patiently waiting for Qt4.4.2 to finish building....
[19:56] <digistyl3> hi guys, i just bought a dell studio 15 and i'm running intrepid on it
[19:56] <digistyl3> how can i check if it has excesive load/unload cycles?
[19:58] <smarter> digistyl3: uptime?
[19:58] <smarter> If i correctly understand your question
[19:59] <smarter> it shows the system load for the past 1, 5 and 15 minutes
[20:00] <digistyl3> smarter: uptime 9 miutes
[20:01] <astraljava> I thought it was about the hard drive aggressive unload cycling for maximum power saving. :)
[20:01] <digistyl3> load average 0.01, 0.23, 0.20
[20:02] <digistyl3> smarter: should i use this guide for intrepid?
[20:02] <digistyl3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement#How to get disks idleing correctly (without excessive load cycling)
[20:03] <astraljava> So it was about it after all.
[20:05] <astraljava> From that page:"Current state in intrepid (ubuntu 8.10) is..."
[20:07] <digistyl3> http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Known_issues#How_to_determine_whether_a_machine_has_this_problem
[20:07] <digistyl3> i need to install smartmontools on the laptop
[20:07] <digistyl3> i'll brb, because i have to plug in the network cable
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bugs maybe? We could always use help there
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> and Suse is calling for volunteers for a bug triage soon
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> ubottu: tell me about kde revision 862734
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> kde revision 862734
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 862734
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> dumb bot
[20:25] <DreadKnight> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't works for me
[20:25] <DreadKnight> every kde editor i try, evem with kdesu
[20:25] <DreadKnight> don't want to use vim ffs
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> in hardy?
[20:25] <DreadKnight> yeah
[20:26] <DreadKnight> kde4 mix
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> sudo/kdesudo etc doesn't play nice with the custom path for kde4 binaries
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> it's an issue in Intrepid
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> *isn't
[20:26] <DreadKnight> i see
[20:27] <DreadKnight> think it's going to work; thanks xD
[20:28] <DreadKnight> worked with kdesu
[20:28] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so a few hours later and the build fails in the debian/ruls
[20:28] <rgreening> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/include/qt4/Qt/qatomic_windows.h': No such file or directory
[20:28] <rgreening> dang
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: remove that file from the -dev package's .install file and debuild -nc
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> (-nc is no clean)
[20:30] <rgreening> debuild?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> isn't that how you're building the package?
[20:30] <rgreening> no, pbuilder
[20:30] <rgreening> can I do same with pbuilder
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> uh yeah, if you had some scripts
[20:31] <rgreening> to continue
[20:31] <rgreening> this was what I ran: sudo pbuilder --build qt4-x11_4.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you need to pimp out your pbuilder hookers
[20:31] <rgreening> lol
[20:32] <rgreening> I just started using pbuilder today
[20:32] <rgreening> haha
[20:32]  * rgreening man pbuilder
[20:32] <goatsocks> i think it's in the pbuilder guide, not sure about the manpage
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, apachelogger has several handy hooks for things like this
[20:32] <goatsocks> i recall it was fairly simple to set up
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> like, it will dump you to the chroot's console if the build fails
[20:32] <rgreening> yeah.. cause this took 2.5 hours to crap out.
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> so you can modify stuff without having to do everything again
[20:33] <rgreening> and I really don't want to have to wait 2.5 more
[20:33] <goatsocks> rgreening: you need extra iron
[20:33] <rgreening> oh no.....
[20:33]  * rgreening crys
[20:33]  * goatsocks hands rgreening a vitamin
[20:33] <rgreening> -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//6999 and its subdirectories
[20:33] <rgreening> grrrr
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, too late now :(
[20:34]  * rgreening bangs head against brick wall
[20:34] <rgreening> *rinse*repeat*
[20:34] <rgreening> dam
[20:35] <rgreening> I guess I should have run --login instead...
[20:37] <rgreening> so, in pbuilder in the login env, do I run debuild in there?
[20:53] <rgreening> Riddell: around?
[20:56] <rgreening> Riddell: some of the header files have changed and the .install files need updating. How did you gen the file list? I want to verify b4 I spend another couple of hours re-building
[21:29]  * rgreening rebuilding qt again... doh
[21:30] <digistyl3> does anyone use pppoe on their internet?
[21:30] <digistyl3> i've configured my network with pppoeconf
[21:31] <digistyl3> but network manager sais i'm not connected to the internet
[21:31] <digistyl3> and firefox starts in offline mode
[21:31] <digistyl3> pidgin too
[21:31] <digistyl3> it's so annoying :|
[21:59] <goatsocks> digistyl3: this is a dev channel, #kubuntu for support ;)
[22:01] <digistyl3> well it's in the development release
[22:04] <goatsocks> digistyl3: this isn't exactly end user support for dev releases either, more for discussion of development, not use ;)
[22:05] <digistyl3> goatsocks: ok, clear :)
[22:05] <goatsocks> digistyl3: however, if there's a bug in intrepid's pppoe then this is definitely the place to talk about it ;)
[22:07] <digistyl3> goatsocks: i think this is a networkmanager bug, because it doesn't recognize the pppoe connection
[22:08] <digistyl3> and other programs rely on networkmanager for network status information, like pidgin and firefox
[22:11] <goatsocks> digistyl3: i didn't think ppoe was finished in nm, you might wanna search launchpad on that
[22:20] <digistyl3> i'll brb
[23:31] <digistyl3> goatsocks: is this the blueprint for that?
[23:31] <digistyl3> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-manager-pptp
[23:31] <digistyl3> i see it's not implemented :|


[05:46] <Tm_T> good morning
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[07:38] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:39] <dholbach> let me know if you want to chat a bit about the snappy docs import
[07:40] <davidcalle> dholbach, I do but I can't right now, are you here around lunch time?
[07:40] <dholbach> no worries - let's just chat later on
[07:41] <davidcalle> dholbach, ok :) I've committed new things on my store_data branch, let me do a proper MP on yours
[07:41] <dholbach> <3
[07:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've added http://elopio.net/en/node/1042 to snappy/tutorials , it's external, but it needs some visibility until we have a proper tutorial.
[07:51] <dholbach> yes, nice one!
[07:53] <dholbach> can't we just steal it as is? :)
[07:55] <dholbach> davidcalle, NICE WORK
[07:57] <davidcalle> dholbach, hah, thanks, django templatetags are absolutely fantastic to work with.
[07:58] <dholbach> davidcalle, at some stage you removed the trans statements from the template
[07:58] <dholbach> I'll re-add them
[07:58] <dholbach> ah no
[07:58] <dholbach> sorry
[07:58] <dholbach> there are no labels any more
[07:58] <dholbach> :9
[07:58] <dholbach> ok, nevermind - it's all good
[07:58] <dholbach> we don't need them I guess
[07:58] <dholbach> it's enough text as it is
[07:58] <davidcalle> dholbach, honestly that could have been the case, I haven't really cared about them :)
[08:00] <dholbach> ok, one string :)
[08:00] <dholbach> "install snappy on this devices" :)
[08:00] <davidcalle> dholbach, shame on me :p
[08:01]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[08:01] <dholbach> nice work, really!
[08:01] <davidcalle> Glad you like it :)
[08:01] <dholbach> mhall119, if you could have another look over https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/store-data/+merge/262684 that'd be great :)
[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:11] <davidcalle> hello czajkowski
[09:14] <czajkowski> davidcalle: morning how's things?
[09:16] <davidcalle> czajkowski, great thanks :) You?
[09:17] <czajkowski> not bad looking forward to 1pm hoping to knock off early as the US are off today which makes it nice and quiet for my inbox :)
[09:25] <davidcalle> Nice, on my end I'm just looking forward to the end of the heatwave next week, this night will be above 30°C :/
[09:26] <czajkowski> davidcalle: aye it's been hot here this week
[09:26] <czajkowski> last night was cool the other day it was 34 in my garden
[10:19] <czajkowski> popey: the link in planet to http://ubuntupodcast.org/2015/07/03/s08e17-gigli/ is not found FYI
[10:21] <popey> i know, #blamemark
[14:10] <dholbach> mhall119, I'd just ignore the conversation on twitter
[14:10] <dholbach> or at least that part of the thread
[14:11] <dholbach> obviously a troll :/
[14:23] <davidcalle> Is lp very slow today or is it just me?
[16:19] <dholbach> all right my friends
[16:19] <dholbach> I call it a day
[16:19] <dholbach> have a great rest of your week!
[16:19] <dholbach> and a great weekend :)
[16:19] <popey> see you later hippy!
[16:19] <dholbach> :)
[16:59] <dpm> have a great weekend everyone


[00:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: xz-liblzma-security fiasco - how much weight do we want to put behind this // https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/03/backdoor-found-in-widely-used-linux-utility-breaks-encrypted-ssh-connections/ maybe then better to air than phoronix's.
[00:33] <guiverc> I've see a few articles relating to xz  ... but no real opinion sorry
[00:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: seems current 'buntu's are not affected - Happy to leave well enough alone :D
[00:41] <guiverc> :)   yeah many refs I saw related to debian.. but haven't had time to read/focus on it
[01:24]  * guiverc going to paste in some summaries
[01:26]  * guiverc out & checking diff
[01:33] <guiverc> I'm not sure to 'beta + HWE freeze' event is newsworthy.. it'll be known to anyone who has ready release schedule..  (& equally would be beta release etc.. ie. why pick out this item?)
[01:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lack of fore thought - agreed 'beta + HWE freeze'; drop.
[01:55] <guiverc> s/ready/read & any other stupid typos I too regularly make...
[01:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You just say that - to make me feel better about all my fat fingering :P
[01:59]  * guiverc going to add summary (been sitting here for ages)
[02:01]  * guiverc out & commented-out beta-freeze post
[04:58]  * guiverc going to paste some summaries (shortly)
[06:37] <guiverc> Bashing-om, just fyi.. if i'm unable to do all summaries today, I'll aim to do some more tomorrow
[06:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Largeish issue - If needed I too do summaries tomorrow.
[06:48]  * guiverc tired (passion play stuff) .. and spent a few hours up (unwell) last night instead of sleeping didn't help...
[06:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We need our rest - here too lately tough to fall asleep and I sleep in too much.
[06:58] <guiverc> I'm not sure the 'google season of docs' post is worth including... esp. given response  (ie. next year)
[06:58]  * guiverc going to paste some summaries (hub)
[07:02]  * guiverc out & review done
[07:23] <Bashing-om> season of docs: Directed to writting documentaion //our recent effots in improving our docs makes the article worthy to include ?
[07:25] <guiverc> I've not seen anything related yet to Ubuntu... but have seen much interest in it; so I'll suggest including in 'Other News'  (I've not got to blogo so haven't looked at Michael's yet)
[07:25] <guiverc> sorry ignore ^^^  my window wasn't at the bottom  (that was an answer to something at the bottom of where my window was at)
[07:26]  * guiverc heard ping & looked at window, didn't check I was at the bottom!
[07:27] <guiverc> Include season.of.docs if you feel worth including.. I skipped it (as for summary; but won't go back till I've reached bottom... on a embedded thingy now)
[07:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: will see what - when I do for the morrow. In the mean time I am going to try that sleep thing - 2:30 here and eyes have grown heavy,
[07:35] <guiverc> sleep well...
[07:36] <Bashing-om> laters
[07:54]  * guiverc about to paste press...
[07:57]  * guiverc out
[08:16]  * guiverc pasting summaries
[08:18]  * guiverc out
[08:36]  * guiverc pasting more summaries (shortly)
[08:37]  * guiverc out
[08:50]  * guiverc missed one, pasting it now
[21:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 833 for the Saturday thingies - one to add // will be a long spell.
[23:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Discourse pages are not loading ---!! Hope all the edits and updates are saved :)
[23:53] <guiverc> pages can be slow (very very slow) at times I've noted today.. but they eventually do load
[23:54] <guiverc> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/npRPBmCSQ6/   is what I see there currently
[23:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Still waiting to *KNOW* the updates did save: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-833/43631/1 - Lot of time and effort if such is not the case.
[23:57] <guiverc> did a change you made appear in my pastebin ^ ???
[23:59] <guiverc> we might want to add https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-March/042955.html as another entry to "Attention Upgrading noble systems"...


[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <alexbrrsclnt> is there a support channel in spanish for a quick question?
[08:34] <lordievader> !spanish | alexbrrsclnt
[08:34] <alexbrrsclnt> kde desktop related
[08:34] <alexbrrsclnt> thanks
[08:39] <alexbrrsclnt> maybe someone can help me, i'm using kubuntu 14.04.02 for almost half year at my work office. we have a very poor network connection at the office, and at the times it goes very bad, the  desktop plasmoids slows down
[08:40] <alexbrrsclnt> i have a pretty good computer with 8gb of ram, so it's not a hardware problem
[08:40] <alexbrrsclnt> i have the desktop effects on and no problem with them
[08:41] <alexbrrsclnt> i can change form virtual desktop with the keyboard and go very fast, and the same when i change between apps with alt+tab
[08:42] <alexbrrsclnt> but the system tray, and other plasmoids go very slow when i use them with the mouse
[08:43] <alexbrrsclnt> i am sure that the network connection is the problem
[08:43] <alexbrrsclnt> but i dont know how to fix it
[08:44] <hateball> That sounds strange indeed
[08:44] <alexbrrsclnt> maybe anyone have read about it?
[08:44] <hateball> What are the "other" plasmoids?
[08:44] <alexbrrsclnt> btw sorry for my english :P
[08:44] <alexbrrsclnt> the kde menu (alt+f1)
[08:45] <hateball> I dunno if maybe you have network folders in an applet, or weather or something... but still I've never had such a problem when offline
[08:45] <hateball> alexbrrsclnt: Can you see if any process uses a lot of CPU when this happens?
[08:45] <alexbrrsclnt> i dont remember the name in english, the bottom bar with all the apps you are running
[08:45] <lordievader> Take a look at vmstat, there might be io wait involved.
[08:45] <alexbrrsclnt> wait, i check monitor
[08:46] <alexbrrsclnt> plasma-desktop procces is using 125Mb of ram
[08:47] <alexbrrsclnt> normal amount
[08:47] <hateball> Yes, and RAM is not CPU :)
[08:47] <hateball> Anyhow, this would only be relevant when you have a bad network connection
[08:47] <alexbrrsclnt> oh cpu, sorry
[08:47] <hateball> And what lordievader said is good
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt> i executed vmstat in konsole
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt> can i paste the result here?
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ------cpu-----
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt>  r  b   swpd  libre búfer caché   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id wa st
[08:49] <alexbrrsclnt>  2  0      0 1398596<PHONE_NUMBER>628    0    0    72    42  225  880  4  1 93  2  0
[08:50] <alexbrrsclnt> that is a yes, hehe
[08:50] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: You need to keep it running and look at the 'wa' column when a slow down happens.
[08:50] <hateball> !paste | alexbrrsclnt, for future possibly long pastes
[08:50] <alexbrrsclnt> ok, sorry
[08:51] <hateball> No harm done :)
[08:55] <alexbrrsclnt> what would be a normal value for the 'wa' column?
[08:55] <alexbrrsclnt> i see 93 everytime i run the command
[08:56] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: It's shifted, you are likely looking at the idle times. Having an io wait of ~90% is bad.
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> ok, running vmstat 1 i see new values each second
[08:57] <lordievader> Should be less than 20%, preferable even less than 10%.
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> the 'wa' columns shows always almost 90%
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> that bad i think
[08:57] <alexbrrsclnt> :P
[08:58] <lordievader> As I said, you are probably looking at idle times. Second column from the right.
[08:58] <lordievader> Not 3rd column.
[08:59] <alexbrrsclnt> oh, that is a lot of diference
[08:59] <alexbrrsclnt> vmstat shows 0, 1, or 2 values
[09:00] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: Could you pastebin some recent output of vmstat?
[09:00] <alexbrrsclnt> yeah, wait
[09:02] <alexbrrsclnt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10711065/
[09:02] <alexbrrsclnt> here it is
[09:03] <lordievader> Oh, that looks quite okay.
[09:05] <alexbrrsclnt> fyi, at this moment, my network is going very bad, so the only way to change between apps is using the alt+tab, try to select with the mouse from the running apps panel goes for a long wait to see the effect and to make the change
[09:06] <lordievader> Does the io wait change?
[09:07] <alexbrrsclnt> which colum i have to look for? io > bi | bo ?
[09:07] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: Still the same, wa, second from the right.
[09:08] <alexbrrsclnt> ok, no, it shows the same value, always under 4
[09:09] <lordievader> Hmm, here when the taskbar freezes it is usually a hang on an nfs mount.
[09:09] <alexbrrsclnt> it's not freeze, its going very slow
[09:10] <alexbrrsclnt> i dont know how to explain
[09:10] <alexbrrsclnt> it responds, but you have to wait a lot to see the action run
[09:10] <alexbrrsclnt> the same if you click in the virtual desktop
[09:11] <alexbrrsclnt> when changing with ctrl-f1 ~ f4 is almost instantaneus
[09:12] <lordievader> Perhaps there is something in the logs, syslog or the xsession-errors log?
[09:13] <alexbrrsclnt> where can i find xsession-errors log?
[09:14] <lordievader> alexbrrsclnt: In your home dir.
[09:14] <lordievader> ~/.xsession-errors
[09:14] <alexbrrsclnt> thanks
[09:16] <alexbrrsclnt> it has only 3 lines
[09:16] <alexbrrsclnt> no related i think
[09:16] <lordievader> Those are not errors, I suppose?
[09:19] <hateball> alexbrrsclnt: you dont have your /home mounted on NFS or something like that?
[09:20] <alexbrrsclnt> no,something like 'script for none started at run_im' (it actually is in spanish, i made a pseudo translation :P)
[09:21] <alexbrrsclnt> i started ksystemlog, i don't see anything that may be an error
[09:22] <fcomtois> hi everyone
[09:22] <lordievader> o/
[09:22] <fcomtois> I just installed Kubuntu Beta 2
[09:23] <fcomtois> and I was wondering if you guys knew how to mount afp shares through dolphin ?
no i have a normal instalation
[10:27] <fcomtois> hey guys, anyone around?
[10:28] <lordievader> o/
[10:29] <lordievader> fcomtois: What is an afp share anyways?
[10:32] <fcomtois> Apple Filing Protocol
[10:34] <lordievader> Meh, I know rarely little about Apple.
[10:36] <fcomtois> yeah
[10:36] <fcomtois> it's a relatively archaic protocol since it is my understanding that Apple uses samba nowadays
[11:16] <mat619> Hi there. I wanted to give 15.04 beta 2 a try on physical hardware, but it turns out I can't start the installer - seems I'm affected by this bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1436497
[11:16] <lordievader> Auch
[11:16] <mat619> anyone here got an idea how to work around that issue, so I can install it?
[11:17] <lordievader> mat619: Does the daily suffer from the same issue?
[11:17] <mat619> lordievader: no idea, didn't try yet. will do.
[11:18] <mat619> lordievader: downloading ISOs takes a while for me, sadly, so I'd rather find a workaround if there is one
[11:19] <mat619> since nobody mentioned any updates solving the issue in the bug report I'm also not sure if the daily would really make a difference
[11:19] <lordievader> mat619: Please do confirm the bug, and ask around in #kubuntu-devel
[11:19] <mat619> lordievader: will do, thanks!
[11:20] <mat619> lordievader: just have to make sure I can actually reproduce it, so will try it a few more times with other choice of boot params, locale etc.
[11:23] <mat619> lordievader: oh. here we go... not reproducable: just booted it another time (3rd attempt) with the same parameters, now it works. weird.
[11:23] <lordievader> Ah, could you report those findings in the bug report, though?
[11:25] <mat619> I will, if I can provide any useful info at all. Will give it a few more tries to track down the cause. Might be hardware related after all
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:38] <mat619> one more question regarding 15.04: does the latest beta ship with a proprietary radeon driver? or an install helper for it?
[11:41] <yossarianuk> mat619: looks like version - 14.201-0ubuntu2 0
[11:41] <yossarianuk> One issue I have with ubuntu and variants is lack of the latest closed source GPU drivers
[11:41] <yossarianuk> they stick with older versions with known bugs in (and lack of h/w support) in the name of 'stability;'
[11:42] <yossarianuk> its not like the devs can fix the version they 'support'
[11:43] <BluesKaj> mat619, the default radeon is , xserver-xorg-video-radeon, on 15.04
[11:44] <BluesKaj> that's what muon shows as installed here on 15.04 , even though I use an nvidia gpu :)
[11:44] <mat619> BluesKaj: k, thx
[11:45] <BluesKaj> so 15.04 is radeon ready I suppose
[12:00] <sysop2> can anyone help me with a possible man in the middle attack?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> sysop2, how you know
[12:18] <lordievader> sysop2: Why do you think you are being MITM'ed?
[12:30] <sysop2> not think, know.
[12:31] <sysop2> when I ssh into any box from inside my network or from work I get a different key then if I ssh from my phone.
[12:31] <iconic2> not know, do
[12:31] <iconic2> is your phone using your lan?
[12:31] <sysop2> can you think of another explanation? I really wish there was one.
[12:32] <sysop2> no. my phone is using the cell network. hard to believe the cell network is safer.
[12:32] <iconic2> just download a tor network app
[12:32] <lordievader> sysop2: Wich one is correct?
[12:32] <sysop2> the one on the cell network.
[12:33] <lordievader> sysop2: Do they resolve to the same ip?
[12:33] <iconic2> well you get a different key because I bet your phones os is different from your computer and thus making handshakes different for different creditentials
[12:34] <sysop2> that is not the case. no matter what username you connect as the key is always the same.
[12:34] <lordievader> The key should be the same, iconic2
[12:34] <sysop2> so please stay out of this if you do not know what you are talking about.
[12:34] <sysop2> thanks lordievader
[12:35] <sysop2> lordievader, so what can I look for? what is man in the middling me on my own network?
[12:35] <lordievader> sysop2: Please do be friendly to the people trying to help you.
[12:35] <lordievader> sysop2: As I said, do they resolve to the same ip.
[12:35] <iconic2> Sorry, just suggestions
[12:35] <sysop2> sorry a little on edge.
[12:35] <sysop2> no the resolve to different ips internally and externally.
[12:36] <lordievader> iconic2: No problem, I'm glad you are trying to help :)
[12:36] <lordievader> sysop2: There is your problem.
[12:36] <iconic2> Yep two different locations
[12:36] <lordievader> Or at least likely, the problem.
[12:36] <sysop2> but that only affects how the key is looked up in known hosts. I am deleting known hosts before I connect to see the error.
[12:37] <iconic2> you should make it easier on yourself and setup a proxy server so that your comp and phone use the proxy and end up tied together
[12:37] <sysop2> the key wont change just because its being called from a different ip.
[12:38] <lordievader> sysop2: What happens when they connect to the same ip?
[12:38] <sysop2> hold on let me try connecting to the same ip brb
[12:39] <iconic2> Well when I worked for AOL I had different secure ID key for when I logged in while on campus then when I remotely connected to the campus servers
[12:40] <sysop2> nope same key
[12:40] <sysop2> same wrong key
[12:40] <sysop2> once I connect I do a ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub and the keys are different
[12:40] <lordievader> sysop2: How do the network routes look like?
[12:40] <sysop2> good question.
[12:41] <iconic2> I bet it has to do with hostmask
[12:41] <lordievader> The two routes I mean, one uses the cellular. What does the other look like?
[12:42] <sysop2> but how the traffic is routed wont affect the key?
[12:43] <sysop2> and there is nothing weird when I do the route command.  just my router being the defualt gateway and the .0 broadcast address.
[12:43] <lordievader> If they end up at a different server it does.
[12:43] <sysop2> true.  but everything in this case is going through the same router at my house.
[12:44] <lordievader> sysop2: Ok, you are going to need to explain your entire network setup.
[12:46] <paul__> .
[12:47] <BluesKaj> uhm, is there any chance you can settle oin onew nick
[12:47] <BluesKaj> oops one nick
[12:56] <sysop2> lordievader, its pretty standard. just a netgear router and a couple of machine behind it.
[12:56] <sysop2> I have one that is a dedicated ssh server, thats where I first noticed the problem.
[12:58] <iconic2> I use a proxy server for all my i-net connections so that I keep the same IP and hostmask
[12:59] <lordievader> sysop2: Ok, take a random client somewhere on the internet. Am I correct in saying that the path is: client -> router -> server?
[12:59] <sysop2> yes
[12:59] <sysop2> that what it looks like
[12:59] <lordievader> Okay, does your router run an ssh server?
[12:59] <sysop2> no
[12:59] <lordievader> I suppose the router nats?
[13:00] <sysop2> its just a plain netgear
[13:00] <sysop2> yep
[13:00] <iconic2> his gateway is off
[13:00] <lordievader> Are the portforwarding correct?
[13:00] <sysop2> yes
[13:00] <sysop2> my geteway is the router locally.
[13:00] <lordievader> sysop2: Does your server see incoming ssh traffic when you try to connect from the outside of your network.
[13:01] <sysop2> how would i tell?
[13:01] <iconic2> the logs
[13:01] <sysop2> netstat?
[13:01] <iconic2> what type of server software are you ssh into?
[13:02] <sysop2> i see what you are saying, so if when I am at the accept the key stage of logging in I look and see if there is a connection on the server?
[13:02] <sysop2> hold on I am trying another internal machine right now.
[13:02] <iconic2> search for your ip
[13:04] <lordievader> sysop2: tcpdump
[13:06] <iconic2> ohhh nooo! its 9am time to punch the time clock and start scripting
[13:18] <sysop2> DAMN IT! it was the wrong key the whole time. sorry guys was upset over nothing.
[13:19] <sysop2> I was ssh-kengening the wrong key thats what the problem was so ofcourse it was different.
[13:20] <sysop2> thanks for the help and sorry iconic2 for snapping. was actually hacked a couple of years ago so I tend to be vigilant.
[13:21] <iconic2> No problem, I'd be the same way
[13:22] <iconic2> We actually did get hacked at the new mexico campus, thats where the servers were that had all the clients account from phone numbers to addresses to credit cards to account pw's
[13:22] <sysop2> UGH!!
[13:23] <iconic2> thats when I suggested they make that part of the network out of bounds unless you use the proxy server that would give you a specified IP that was trusted by multiple layers of security
[13:23] <sysop2> I feel you. knocking on wood but never lost any private data. they just used our machines.
[13:24] <sysop2> I see what you mean now. thats not a bad idea. still switching to keybased to avoid having the problem entirely.
[13:24] <iconic2> mind if I ask what type of connection your server is hooked to?
[13:24] <iconic2> an OC?
[13:25] <iconic2> optical carrier line?
[13:25] <sysop2> just my home server this time.
[13:25] <sysop2> work probably has on OC3 or something.
[13:25] <iconic2> may I make a suggestion?
[13:25] <sysop2> sure
[13:27] <iconic2> if your running a open source Network Operating System and you plan on hosting shells make it so them clients can't excute any commands that could invoke a ddos or sorts of attack because them give you hefty fines
[13:27] <sysop2> who gives the fines?
[13:28] <iconic2> The attacked ISP
[13:29] <sysop2> ah,  well already working on that. anytime a file is created in the shell I am using inotify to run a script to see if its an executable then it deletes it if it is. since its kernel based it happens instantly. no time for time to use the file.
[13:30] <sysop2> no time for them to use the file I meant.
[13:31] <iconic2> I made the mistake when I was running a rackmount out of my business space on an oc12 connection and a shell client excuted a ddos attack on a ip and I was called up as the Host of client to either pay the fine or get sopena'd by court order to reveal client information so they could hand down some sort of punishment
[13:31] <iconic2> like if you use a cell signal blackout device its 250,000$ a minute per line you black out
[13:33] <iconic2> we rectified the problem out of court by paying a 15k restitution fee which I doubt the attacked ips hardware cost anywhere close to that amount
[13:34] <sysop2> thats kind just plain stupid about the cell line, if I  owned a movie theater and setup a cell blocker to keep people from using their cell phones during the phone I get would get fined, but if I use metal paint to coat the walls I dont. same affect and if it only affects your property I dont see why they should have an opinion.
[13:34] <sysop2> during the movie.
[13:35] <lordievader> sysop2: Good to hear you found the problem ;)
[13:35] <iconic2> now on all the servers I bring up I load my personal assistant  bg procc that monitors activity and if the cmds are bashed or even close the client is sent the kill command with a prompt that says connect host imediately
[13:42] <sysop2> thanks lordievader
[13:43] <lordievader> sysop2: No problem ;)
[14:52] <sysop2> this will show all your public keys and not just one! for i in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key.pub; do ssh-keygen -l -f  $i; done
[15:26] <Xenxxx> heya
[15:26] <Xenxxx> xennex81 here from the forum
[15:26] <Xenxxx> :p
[15:26] <iconic2> hiya Xenxxx
[15:26] <Xenxxx> I was unaware there'd also be a chat, but not surprising :).
[15:26] <Xenxxx> heya :)
[15:27] <iconic2> I'm taking a break to many lines of coding done
[15:27] <Xenxxx> I am so in love with Kubuntu these days :), but I am also downloading the Gnome Ubuntu 15.04 now..
[15:27] <Xenxxx> nice :)
[15:28] <Xenxxx> or at least I might check it out, the Gnome version
[15:28] <iconic2> 15.04
[15:28] <iconic2> ?
[15:28] <Xenxxx> instead of the Unity version then.
[15:28] <Xenxxx> yeah
[15:28] <iconic2> damn I'm behind
[15:29] <Xenxxx> well I am just using 14.10 but.... I don't know, I just enjoy it trying the new version I guess :) ... :p
[15:29] <Xenxxx> I had attempted Kubuntu 15.04 when it was alpha 2 but i was a bit disgruntled with the interface
[15:29] <Xenxxx> so many things that didn't work... right.
[15:29] <Xenxxx> well just things that didn't work I guess, dunno.
[15:30] <Xenxxx> when I went (back) to 14.10 things worked much better in the task bar etc.
[15:30] <Xenxxx> the tray icons.
[15:30] <Xenxxx> but I gotta go, dinner is ready, see ya soon.
[15:33] <iconic2> I'm gonna try out trisquel
[15:58] <Riddell> ** me and rohan talking in 2 mins in #ubuntu-on-air and on video http://ubuntuonair.com/
[16:06] <fcomtois> hey guys
[16:09] <xenxx> yo back
[16:09] <iconic2> helllo
[16:09] <xenxx> :)
[16:09] <xenxx> yo man :). What have you been coding? :).
[16:09] <xenxx> without the closing dot lol
[16:10] <xenxx> i sometimes lose the sense of knowing what and when to write ;-)
[16:10] <xenxx> kinda annoying :( ;-)
[16:11] <xenxx> i am trying to get Steam running on this old laptop on Kubuntu 14.10, not very successful thus far. .... :(
[16:11] <iconic2> Well right now I'm trying to bring eggdrop software up to date
[16:11] <iconic2> I got steam running on my lenovo thinkpad
[16:11] <iconic2> i5
[16:11] <xenxx> so you are coding for IRC? (I just looked it up)
[16:12] <xenxx> or is eggdrop a kind of server also?
[16:13] <iconic2> eggdrop is a bot
[16:13] <iconic2> like ya know them weatherbots
[16:13] <iconic2> or ones that do trivia or protect channels?
[16:13] <xenxx> so were you writing scripts for it or writing its source?
[16:13] <xenxx> yeah i know, I guess I heard about it before
[16:13] <xenxx> popular thing to run
[16:14] <xenxx> but I' ve never been much of an IRC guy
[16:14] <iconic2> Well thats why we're bringing it up to date
[16:15] <iconic2> Gotta try to make it work on different chat like relays
[16:15] <xenxx> minus the space, I've never been.... I have to get used to this new keyboard layout that actually *gasp* can write " and ' in one go.... ;-)
[16:15] <iconic2> like minecraft servers and such
[16:15] <xenxx> right so you are actually source coding
[16:16] <iconic2> unfortunately
[16:16] <xenxx> since it has a lot of scripts you know, I see, so you might as well be writing scripts IN eggdrop instead ... ;-) :)
[16:16] <iconic2> last friday/sat morning I got done with my duties on the unrealircd software rewritting services
[16:16] <xenxx> i once wrote some scripts in TinyFugue, I guess it can be similar....
[16:17] <xenxx> right
[16:17] <iconic2> tcl scripts
[16:17] <xenxx> i just wanna do some wiki or documentation translation for now
[16:17] <xenxx> right
[16:17] <iconic2> I know thats what I'm affraid my next appointment is going to be
[16:17] <xenxx> hehe
[16:17] <xenxx> i have no appointments but I wanna get active
[16:18] <iconic2> I want eggdrop to start using lua scripts
[16:19] <iconic2> If you write a tcl script that does something interesting I'd be more than happy to set you up with a way to submit it for review
[16:19] <xenxx> right, those are the game scripts right
[16:19] <xenxx> no i mean in writing documentation for now, or doing some translation on that
[16:19] <xenxx> ...
[16:19] <iconic2> They dont have to be just game scripts
[16:19] <iconic2> you can do some great stuff with tcl
[16:19] <xenxx> i mean lua
[16:20] <xenxx> so why the change to lua then?
[16:20] <iconic2> Lua is more up to date and compiles a bit quicker
[16:20] <xenxx> why is lua so great? :)
[16:20] <xenxx> right
[16:20] <fcomtois> does anyone have experience mounting afp shares via dolphin?
[16:20] <xenxx> what is afp?
[16:20] <fcomtois> apple filling protocole
[16:21] <fcomtois> *protocol
[16:21] <xenxx> a fixed point
[16:21] <iconic2> but I gotta either re-write the whole eggdrop source or do it cheaply by making a tcl interpeter script for lua
[16:21] <xenxx> okay
[16:21] <xenxx> hehe
[16:21] <iconic2> Protocol
[16:21] <iconic2> see my eyes are getting way to slow
[16:21] <xenxx> but these are usually libraries you include, right? Some interpreter?
[16:22] <xenxx> ooh it's what they use to call AppleTalk
[16:22] <xenxx> but having to tie the interpreter to the inborn commands can be hard I guess, or a lot of work.
[16:23] <iconic2> Well it doesnt have to be a library it can just be a hard script that does it all in the background, but since they want it up to date i fear im stuck redoing source to accept lua
[16:23] <xenxx> it can be hard
[16:23] <xenxx> oh
[16:23] <iconic2> right now I'm building a plan of attack
[16:23] <xenxx> you must be a hard and fast coder then
[16:23] <iconic2> on this project
[16:23] <xenxx> yeah
[16:24] <xenxx> you're the kind of guy i make friends with ;-)
[16:24] <xenxx> the kind of guy i meet in games and so on ;-) ...
[16:24] <xenxx> haha
[16:24] <xenxx> at least sometimes I come across guys like you
[16:25] <iconic2> Im way to busy to help to much but I do what I can
[16:25] <xenxx> hmm
[16:25] <xenxx> hmmm..... well that's good I guess, Isn't it?
[16:26] <iconic2> I've been open source and copyleft my whole life so I'm donating almost all my time to Unreal
[16:26] <xenxx> unrealircd
[16:26] <iconic2> yep
[16:26] <xenxx> right
[16:26] <xenxx> i've been doing not much of anything in that department
[16:26] <iconic2> right up in Boston, I'm about 45mins away from the office
[16:26] <xenxx> aaah
[16:27] <xenxx> this webchat doesn' t refresh with scroll anymore :(...
[16:27] <iconic2> So your using a webclient?
[16:27] <xenxx> because I scrolled up..!
[16:27] <iconic2> cgi?
[16:28] <iconic2> php?
[16:28] <iconic2> py
[16:28] <xenxx> dunno, https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#kubuntu
[16:28] <iconic2> ohhh
[16:28] <xenxx> yeah this is just a webclient, I haven't set up anything in kubuntu yet
[16:28] <xenxx> at least, something is probably installed
[16:28] <xenxx> but haven't looked into it yet
[16:28] <xenxx> or at it :p
[16:29] <xenxx> quassel ircl
[16:29] <iconic2> thats js
[16:29] <xenxx> irc*
[16:29] <xen> back
[16:29] <iconic2> thats what I'm using right now
[16:29] <xen> still webchat though :p
[16:29] <xen> what was that? js?
[16:29] <iconic2> I usually like BitchX
[16:30] <iconic2> this chans irc web client is js
[16:31] <iconic2> you know you can goto the upper left corner of the login page and goto options
[16:31] <xen> oh ok
[16:31] <xen> k
[16:31] <xen> i am there
[16:32] <xen> the great and magical xennex81 :p lol
[16:32] <xen> in... what is it called Quassel IRC
[16:32] <iconic2> show last location option
[16:32] <xen> last position indicator?
[16:33] <xennex81> i think this kde app is a little better
[16:33] <xennex81> althought... the other interface looks nice
[16:34] <iconic2> get BitchX its 100% customizable
[16:34] <iconic2> you can load scripts to it and everything
[16:34] <xennex81> i don' t wanna get into things at first try
[16:34] <xennex81> it's just better to go with the default at times when you are a new user ;-)
[16:34] <xennex81> hint hint :p
[16:35] <xennex81> this is just the default KDE app and it's enough for me
[16:35] <xennex81> or at least default Kubuntu :)
[16:35] <iconic2> Ohh well its default configurations are easy enough
[16:35] <xennex81> damn i really love Kubuntu
[16:35] <xennex81> these days
[16:35] <iconic2> you run it on a terminal
[16:35] <xennex81> oh yes
[16:35] <xennex81> i remember
[16:35] <iconic2> do you know how to make yourself root in terminals yet on ubuntu?
[16:35] <xennex81> i think it is installed on my host shell server
[16:35] <xennex81> hm?
[16:36] <iconic2> sudo -s
[16:36] <iconic2> in terminal
[16:36] <xennex81> what does the -s do?
[16:36] <iconic2> or sudo passwd root
[16:36] <xennex81> i just use sudo su always :p
[16:36] <xennex81> haha
[16:37] <xennex81> i am not implying that I'm all that new to ..computers or anything
[16:37] <xennex81> or to linux
[16:37] <xennex81> and i like terminals
[16:37] <xennex81> love them
[16:39] <iconic2> you use Midknight commander?
[16:39] <iconic2> mc
[16:39] <xennex81> nah.
[16:39] <lordievader> mc \o/
[16:39] <xennex81> never used it in DOS either
[16:39] <xennex81> or what was it called?
[16:39] <iconic2> msdos?
[16:39] <xennex81> norton commander in msdos
[16:40] <xennex81> didn't like it, however, HOWEVER :) there was something called QCD which was a very easy way to change directories based on a meny
[16:40] <xennex81> menu
[16:40] <xennex81> I still haven't found anything like that
[16:40] <iconic2> Microsoft Disk operating system
[16:40] <xennex81> you'd just type qcd and get something fancy
[16:40] <xennex81> and with cursor keys... etc.
[16:41] <iconic2> you've played Jill of the jungle?
[16:41] <xennex81> nah
[16:41] <xennex81> neva
[16:41] <xennex81> don't know it :(
[16:41] <iconic2> how about funnel and buckets?
[16:41] <xennex81> brb
[16:41] <xennex81> neither, nor, attempted not
[16:41] <xennex81> no
[16:41] <xennex81> sorry :p
[16:41] <iconic2> this is like around 1990
[16:41] <iconic2> ish
[16:43] <iconic2> I got into programming when I was 8 or 9 or maybe 10 we had a computer and my step father needed a bunch of raw floppy disk formatted and  we had and autoscensing 3.5 drive and I wrote my first qbasics script just so I didn't have to keep bashing the same dang commands over and over
[16:44] <xennex81> hehe
[16:44] <xennex81> never did that
[16:45] <xennex81> i did program qbasic
[16:45] <xennex81> and msx basic and gw basic
[16:45] <xennex81> i mean
[16:45] <xennex81> and later tp and bp
[16:45] <fcomtois> does anyone have experience mounting afp shares via dolphin?
[16:45] <xennex81> turbo pascal and borland pascal
[16:45] <xennex81> GW-Basic was really hellish :p
[16:45] <xennex81> with the line numbers and all
[16:45] <iconic2> I went from qbasics to vb up to vb6 then Visual Studio then Notepad for scripts
[16:45] <xennex81> right haha
[16:47] <iconic2> With win95-xp you could goto dos prompt and rename a exe file a *.scr file so you could easily trick people into running it thnking it was a screen save it have it actually be another type of file
[16:47] <iconic2> Now Ya gotta be on top of sql injections and what not
[16:48] <lordievader> iconic2, xennex81: Isn't this more a conversation for #kubuntu-offtopic?
[16:48] <iconic2> yes, very much my bad, and I do apologize Lordievader
[16:49] <xennex81> joined that channel, thanks, mister Lordievader
[16:49] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[16:49] <xennex81> ;-) :)
[16:50] <iconic2> so how many different ubuntu's are their now, I know of K and X
[16:50] <lordievader> iconic2: A lot.
[16:52] <xennex81> how do i get a kubuntu userbase account? for the wiki?
[16:53] <xennex81> i can't find it, the register link
[16:54] <genii> xennex81: If you have already a login for Launchpad or Ubuntu Forums or Ubuntu One that should work
[16:54] <xennex81> lordievader: I don't know, it is hard to continue a conversation elsewhere like that
[16:55] <xennex81> right
[16:55] <xennex81> I have a Launchpad I think
[16:55] <lordievader> xennex81: There is a reason #kubuntu-offtopic exists.
[16:55] <xennex81> i know, well I do now, still,  regardless, nice to meet you :)
[16:55] <xennex81> .
[16:56] <xennex81> iconic2: i went to Delphi after that, after Borland Pascal, let's talk there then
[16:56] <xennex81> . In offtopic....
[17:18] <Erthe> I just tried to update to KDE Plasma 5 following the instructions found here:  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[17:19] <Erthe> I can't login to the system, KDM with my old configuration appears briefly and then the display goes into power saving mode.
[17:20] <Erthe> When I performed the install step I chose sddm as the new DM.
[17:20] <Erthe> Is it possible to run a repair from the ISO for 14.10?
[17:21] <iconic2> yup repair from local medi
[17:21] <iconic2> a
[17:23] <Erthe> OK, I'll grab the ISO and give that a go.
[17:40] <Riddell> Erthe: don't use plasma 5 with 14.10, that was only tech preview and is now deprecated
[17:40] <Riddell> Erthe: just install 15.04 beta 2
[17:40] <Erthe> Oh...
[17:40] <Erthe> Just finished burning a disc too :D
[17:41] <Erthe> I'm on Nvidia, I just read your mailing list post
[17:43] <Erthe> Can I update with that ISO?  I don't want to lose my /home directory
[17:48] <ty812> does someone have a good idea how I can make Gqrx play audio?
[17:49] <ty812> I got a signal on the waterfall, but there's no sound.
[17:49] <ty812> alternatively, if anyone knows where I can discuss SDR-related problems, I'm also grateful for such a pointer
[18:04] <MoonUnit`> do you have the squelch too high?
[20:04] <MoonUnit`> i think something is bad with the latest vivid sddm update, machine desktop dying after a few seconds of logging in.
[20:04] <MoonUnit`> lots of taint messages in dmesg, now rolling back to an earlier partition image
[20:18] <xennex81> question: what do you know about being able to run plasma4 style "themes" (like Air) (or Oxygen) on plasma5 for Ubuntu 15.04?
[20:18] <xennex81> it is said that the Breeze Dark theme is very nice, but Breeze "Light" is too washed out for me or too little contrast.
[21:37] <daemon_erebus> Is there any particular reason why Kubuntu comes with LibreOffice installed rather than the Calligra Suite
[22:45] <keithzg> daemon_erebus: There's a belief (somewhat justified) that LibreOffice is more mature and feature-rich, so for folks that don't know they have options, that's probably the best default to ship.
[22:46] <keithzg> Hmm that's interesting, using Chrome Remote Desktop hosted on Kubuntu 14.04, I get an Openbox session rather than a KDE session when I connect via the Android client.
[22:47] <daemon_erebus> keithzg, you're probably right, just thought it interesting since LibreOffice uses a bit of gtk and Calligra is qt based (from what I understand) it made the better choice/option.
[22:48] <keithzg> daemon_erebus: Yeah, Calligra is a more integrated and native experience, and IIRC it used to be shipped as the default instead (at least back when it was KOffice), but the rough edges and some user complaints drove a switch over to LibreOffice as the default. I still prefer Calligra's equivalent apps personally, and tend to have both installed.
[22:50] <daemon_erebus> heck I'd just be happier with better MS Office integration as formatting still comes off wonky in some instances
[23:02] <keithzg> That's never going to really change. Formatting comes off wonky even between versions of Microsoft Word sometimes :P
[23:02] <keithzg> We'll only really be safe if Microsoft Office goes away.
[23:21] <misfit1> hello, I'm having an issue with kubuntu constantly dropping wifi connection. 14.04 64-bit, Intel centrino wireless-n 1080 network card