  Sync your ISOs and go for testing.
[15:47] <jibel> ara, can you change to topic please ?
[15:48] <ara> I think so :)
[15:49] <ara> pedro_, what did I have to do to be channel operator?
[15:50] <pedro_> ara, /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-testing
[15:52] <ara> thanks :)
[15:52] <pedro_> you're welcome
[15:55] <jibel> ara, pedro_ many thanks.
[16:15] <charlie-tca> hm, all the Ubuntu images can not be run in VBox now? (no 3d)
[16:22] <jibel> charlie-tca, no unity in VMs, you should fallback to gnome.  (Unless you know a product which fully supports opengl)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> jibel, exactly, so you don't really get a valid test, do you?
[16:27] <ara> charlie-tca, well, you get the valid test of falling back to gnome :)
[16:27] <ara> charlie-tca, which should be a good test
[16:27] <ara> charlie-tca, adding that as a comment in the tracker should be fine
[16:28] <fader_> Seems like we actually need both tests -- the default Unity install and the GNOME fallback
[16:29] <jibel> fader_, indeed, we will need 2 sets of test cases.
[16:30] <fader_> Yeah, seems like it doubles the amount of testing we need to do while also removing one of the best tools to do testing :/
[16:30] <charlie-tca> +1
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Also makes it harder. 64bit hardware tests are not easy to get
[16:32] <fader_> Yeah :(  I could maybe scrounge up an old beater 32-bit system, but a 64-bit one is going to be more difficult
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I got 32bit with ATI card available for testing here
[16:36] <fader_> Is natty still using clutter rather than compiz for unity?
[16:36] <charlie-tca> I think it has compiz, but not sure
[16:37] <jibel> fader_, it uses compiz.
[16:38] <jibel> right now you even have nautilus because dash is not implemented yet.
[16:38] <fader_> Hmm, I had assumed compiz would work under vbox with the 3d-accel options turned on
[16:39] <jibel> fader_, no, compiz works, but freezes when you enable the Unity plugin.
[16:39] <jibel> furthermore, VBox 3D Video driver doesn't builds with 2.6.37.
[16:40] <fader_> D'oh
[16:40] <fader_> jibel: Yeah, I just saw that build failure on my vbox install
[16:40] <fader_> Bleh
[16:42] <jibel> fader_, anyway the video driver is not built by default because there's a bug in the build script, you need build it 'manually' but it fails.
[16:43] <jibel> fader_, 1 solution is to downgrade the guest to 2.6.36 but then there unimplemented opengl calls. Well, that's a lot of if...
[16:44] <fader_> Hehe
[16:44] <fader_> Yeah, and doesn't make for a valid test case anyway :)
[16:44] <jibel> :-)
[17:31] <charlie-tca> starting Ubuntu alternate 386 on hardware
[18:00] <skaet_> jibel, just a heads up that the i386 server images have bug 669496 thats going to interfere with testing them.
[18:00] <ubot4`> skaet_: Bug 669496 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/669496 is private
[18:01] <jibel> skaet_, okay thanks.
[18:01] <jibel> hggdh, ^
[18:05] <hggdh> looking
[18:07] <hggdh> jibel: thanks, subscribed
[18:07] <hggdh> seems to hit EC2 images only, smoser is on it
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Are we really installing a folder for windows connections in Ubuntu now?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Is it a bug if it fails when I have no windows systems?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> mvo, the fix for bug 678196 caused the gpg key to go missing
[18:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 678196 in apt (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu extras repository prevents other updates (affects: 7) (heat: 36)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678196
[18:39] <charlie-tca> do you want a new bug for the missing key?
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Well, my ati card don't work with unity and compiz after the updates today
[18:59] <fader_> charlie-tca: You're so into things 'working' and 'being useful'... you're harshing my mellow!
[18:59] <fader_> :P
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, destroyed mine altogether now
[19:00] <fader_> Heh
[19:00] <charlie-tca> I guess I can't test this, since nothing works anyway ;-)
[19:00] <fader_> Makes for a quick test :)
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Takes just as long to install and update, just to find it won't work no more
[19:01] <fader_> Well but you can mark all the other test cases for that image as 'failed' O:-)
[19:01] <charlie-tca> And I can't shutdown from the classic desktop, too
[19:02] <charlie-tca> didrocks said it is not a bug
[19:08] <charlie-tca> and it will have the fallback working for alpha2 :-)
[19:08] <fader_> Hehe
[19:09] <fader_> "This isn't a bug -- everyone will love Ubuntu so much that they will never want to shut it down."
 That is a pass, right :-)
[19:15] <fader_> charlie-tca: That's one step better than just compiling... I think we're done for the cycle!
[19:15] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:15] <charlie-tca> It is, afterall, alpha1. It is supposed to be able to break your system
[19:17] <fader_> Exactly... keep people on their toes, give testers a warm fuzzy feeling about finding 1000 bugs, etc. :)
[19:18] <fader_> Ah, also I just realized that I have a USB drive I can install to on my main system, so I should be able to do some 64-bit testing on real hardware
[19:18] <fader_> \o/
[19:22] <charlie-tca> okay. I am putting my nvida 6200 back in, and will run 32bit tests with it. At least after installing the drivers, I will know if it worked
[19:33] <mvo> charlie-tca: re 678196> yes please
[19:33] <mvo> charlie-tca: ideally with a way to reproduce
[19:33] <charlie-tca> bug 681382
[19:33] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681382 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu) "extras gpg key missing for natty (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681382
[19:33] <charlie-tca> reproduce is easy, install natty, run updates
[19:40] <mvo> thanks, I look at it tomorrow
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Thank you.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> fader_, got it! all alternate 386 images are a fail now
[19:59] <charlie-tca> (in Ubuntu)
[20:02] <fader_> charlie-tca: Heh, efficient! :)
[20:02] <charlie-tca> persistent, too
[20:50] <jibel> anybody tested the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 ?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> I seem to still be working on that first test for today lol
[20:57] <charlie-tca> this here unity/compiz thing seems fun :-)
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Well, I think I got that report filed now.
[21:14] <charlie-tca> w00t! second test, finally
[23:24] <fader_> Is it only the Ubuntu images that will default to Unity now?  E.g. Edubuntu should still go to the standard GNOME desktop?
[23:29]  * fader_ hopes so and starts cranking on amd64 edubuntu tests.
[23:30] <charlie-tca> yes, I think
[23:31] <fader_> w00t, that means I can do it in vbox :D
[23:31] <fader_> Ah, indeed -- Unity is an optional install
[23:35] <charlie-tca> I am running the encrypted install again. the whole drive, not encrypted worked
[23:37] <fader_> charlie-tca: Out of curiosity, how's the work on the a11y testcases going?
[23:37] <fader_> I realize you won't have anything yet but I just wondered if it's still in the works :)
[23:37] <charlie-tca> slow
[23:37] <charlie-tca> Yes, I am working on them, but it is much more difficult when things are not working
[23:37] <fader_> Yeah :/
[23:38] <charlie-tca> I used maverick to get started, but the installer changed again
[23:38] <fader_> I wonder if we'd have better luck pushing for it to be part of the design, and have test cases written before the code is done
[23:38] <fader_> Test-driven development, at least for a11y
[23:39] <charlie-tca> hmm, I don't know.
[23:40] <fader_> Not that I know who to lean on to make that happen, other than being a big PITA at UDS :)
[23:40] <fader_> (But if that will help I'm happy to do it)
[23:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Most of the a11y is still on Luke, so it is pretty hard to push until he can get things rolling
[23:42] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu alternate i386 done except wubi
[23:43] <charlie-tca> oops, no, that should have been Xubuntu Desktop 386
[23:57] <fader_> Yeah, I forgot he was focusing on that this cycle
[23:57] <fader_> Hmm, edubuntu has nautilus started but no gnome panels :(
[23:58] <fader_> Heh, starts right up from the terminal, too


[11:17] <NeVeR_> Anyone here from South Africa?
[11:25] <NeVeR_> I scored level 5 on the Pre assesment thing.. what does that mean?
[11:28] <Pendulum> NeVeR_: this isn't a support channel and I'm not sure what pre-assessment thing you're talking about. If you're looking for support, tryin #ubuntu . If you're looking for other Ubuntu folks in South Africa, try #ubuntu-za
[11:31] <NeVeR_> coooooool thanks
[11:48] <IdleOne> NeVeR_: what pre assessment thing exactly?
[11:49] <Pendulum> IdleOne: google is suggesting maybe https://forms.canonical.com/assessment/ ?
[11:49] <IdleOne> ah, yeah. thanks
[11:49] <Pendulum> (I have to admit I didn't know that existed)
[11:50] <IdleOne> I have seen it before in the past. I was thinking of taking the course and then applying for a support position at Canonical
[11:50] <Pendulum> *nods*
[11:51] <Pendulum> I'm taking the pre-assessment now just out of curiosity. See if I'm more technical than I thought ;-)
[11:53] <IdleOne> I bet you will surprise yourself
[11:53] <IdleOne> it is amazing how much you can pick up just by being on irc and occasionally reading
[11:55] <Pendulum> I used to know more than I do now, but I still remember enough to make educated guesses
[11:55] <Pendulum> plus I'm well aware I have imposter sydrome ;-)
[12:03] <Pendulum> I see one problem with how they give results on that pre-assessment
[12:03] <Pendulum> they give you your score and no information about what it means
[12:14] <NeVeR_> Pendulum: that's what I meant... just says you are level 5, then says go to ... link, and the link doesn't exist :(
[12:15] <NeVeR_> oh wells


[17:25] <qwebirc66393> im planning on installing a  virtual machine  for mythbuntu  on  my hackingtosh  machine. is this recomended?  additionally can you please advice on what TV Tuner Card  is recommended.  I live in North America
[17:28] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: you may have io issues because running a full os ontop of another full os etc
[17:28] <Shadow__X> afaik you can do pci passthrough when running os x so you would need a network tunner
[17:28] <Shadow__X> you c an try it
[17:29] <Shadow__X> try running mythbuntu as a vm that is
[17:33] <tgm4883> qwebirc66393: I've got my backend in a VM, writing to a NAS for storage. My network card is an HDHomerun Prime
[17:33] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: it might be more trouble than its worth in that type of setup, but you could try it
[17:33] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: is the vm running on a spinner?
[17:33] <Shadow__X> and what is your base os?
[17:34] <Shadow__X> because doing running it as a vm on top os os x, is different than esxi,hyperv,proxmox,xen,etc
[17:34] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: Ubuntu
[17:34] <tgm4883> Running on libvirt, backend I believe is KVM
[17:34] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: spinner?
[17:34] <Shadow__X> disk vs ssd
[17:34] <Shadow__X> and is it a server or your desktop
[17:35] <tgm4883> ah
[17:35] <Shadow__X> ah ok yeah, libvirt uses kvm (among other things)
[17:35] <tgm4883> The OS is on an SSD
[17:35] <Shadow__X> there are webui's available btw
[17:35] <tgm4883> It's a desktop machine that is sitting in my closet
[17:36] <tgm4883> a Q6600 with 8GB RAM
[17:36] <tgm4883> Shadow__X: I've got on my TODO list to see about moving it to LXC
[17:36] <Shadow__X> i don't know much about lxc, i know proxmox 4 will use it so ill learn when they switch over
[17:37] <Shadow__X> q6600 is getting up there in age
[17:37] <Shadow__X> my mythtv backend is running an e8400 but that is way too slow at this point
[17:37] <Shadow__X> so when i bring it back online ill upgrade it to something more modern
[17:37] <tgm4883> lxc is pretty nice
[17:38] <tgm4883> A Q6600 is getting up there, but it's powerful enough for what I want to do, which is recording multiple shows and commflagging
[17:38] <Shadow__X> ah yeah, my biggest isse was transcoding
[17:38] <tgm4883> On that box it runs 1 VM, which is my mythtv backend, and 4 LXC containers, which run puppet, check_mk, gitlab, and minecraft
[17:39] <Shadow__X> gotcha
[17:40] <Shadow__X> i need to learn about the management stuff like puppet
[17:40] <tgm4883> You could run the backend on less hardware and farm out the more CPU intensive jobs
[17:40] <tgm4883> I ran my backend on a raspbery pi 2 for awhile and farmed out the comflagging to my desktop
[17:41] <Shadow__X> hmm
[17:41] <Shadow__X> i didn't think about that
[17:41] <Shadow__X> i think the machine will wind up running something like proxmox, with pfsense,mythtv fe/be and possibly a windows vm
[17:41] <tgm4883> the pi 2 as a backend works well enough. There's some addditional tweaking that I didn't do
[17:41] <Shadow__X> gpu passthrough to tv
[17:41] <qwebirc66393> thanks for the quicknes guys.  isee that some of you  think is more  trouble than is worth. and i dont want to do more than what  i need
[17:42] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: its more about realizing what you are doing and have realistic expectations
[17:42] <Shadow__X> if your desktop is down, no mythtv, etc
[17:42] <tgm4883> yep
[17:42] <Shadow__X> and your easiest bet is to use network tuners
[17:43] <tgm4883> Yes
[17:43] <tgm4883> it helps that the best tuners IMO are network tuners
[17:44] <qwebirc66393> im planning on using a  old mac pro 2008 2.8GHz Quad Core XEON as  freenas server. can i use this as my backend?
[17:45] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393:its more about how you plan to set it up
[17:45] <Shadow__X> does freenas do containers?
[17:45] <qwebirc66393> i know that this is two thing that im trying to do i just want to know whats the best way to go about it?
[17:46] <Shadow__X> ONE way to achieve that is with a setup that supports vt-d
[17:46] <qwebirc66393> i was planning on just using  frenass as the main OS ands tipping out the MAC OS
[17:46] <Shadow__X> with ecc ram* for zfs
[17:46] <qwebirc66393>  ram 8 gig
[17:47] <Shadow__X> so you could run something like esxi,proxmox,whatever, setup a freenas vm with vt-d, pass through some contrllers to it, use that as your nas, then setup the mythbuntu vm
[17:47] <Shadow__X> but if freenas supports containers, you could just install freenas and setup mythbuntu as a container
[17:47] <Shadow__X> or you might have to do a freenas mythtv setup
[17:47] <tgm4883> well theres an issue there
[17:47] <tgm4883> freenas isn't linux, so your containers wouldn't be linux either
[17:48] <tgm4883> you'd have to run it as a VM on top of freenas, if freenas supports that
[17:49] <qwebirc66393> i think i should have two boxes  for this and stop trying to consolidate all this in one box
[17:49] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: i wasn't sure if that was the limitation or not
[17:50] <Shadow__X> qwebirc66393: one of the options i mentioned is running it all in one box though
[17:50] <Shadow__X> its just finding the right hardware/software to support that
[17:50] <qwebirc66393> i knoe but it sound kinda messy
[17:50] <Shadow__X> it all depends on what you want to do and how comfortable you are with it
[17:51] <Shadow__X> i am running pci passthrough with an hba on my server
[17:51] <Shadow__X> and tested out passthrough for a gpu