[10:09] <SiliconViper> winterweaver, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and select the 'nvidia' driver, instead of the 'nv' one.
[10:09] <kitche> Stormx2: there is ways not part of any distro but the software that the systems are running or even the user
[10:09] <ithiel> ChatZilla, ftw.
[10:09] <scheuri> czer323: well...you said it is disabled...that is just not correct...:)
[10:10] <remo287> stormx2 i have already installed xchat
[10:10] <winterweaver> SiliconViper, but now here's the problem.... for some reason, if I install the one the one, the other one is uninstalled...
[10:10] <czer323> scheuri, understood and i'll remember that for future.
[10:10] <scheuri> czer323: thanks...:)
[10:10] <remo287> i m unable to configure it
[10:10] <Stormx2> remo287: Go onto it then. In the list, select "ubuntu servers"
[10:10] <SiliconViper> winterweaver, you only need nvidia-glx
[10:11] <remo287> Looking up irc.freenode.net
[10:11] <remo287> * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) port 6667...
[10:11] <remo287> * Connected.  But they get plugged as soon as their found, and unless you're hosting huge websites on a huge pipe, you're not vunerable to attack
[10:11] <remo287> hey storm it is wht it is saying
 scheuri, at least it's randomly generated then.  but all the same.  if someone goes to try to su root, they needt o have set the password first.  sudo -s is the same thing, with less effort. << there's also sudo -i, there are differences between them and it's best to use sudo -i
[10:11] <Stormx2> remo287: Don't paste
[10:11] <remo287> i think i need to register
[10:11] <Stormx2> remo287: Never paste more than one line.
[10:11] <winterweaver> SiliconViper, ok ... thanks... ill give it a bash
[10:11] <Stormx2> remo287; You need to log off gaim first, fool.
[10:11] <remo287> ok sorry for pasating it
[10:11] <Stormx2> remo287: :)
[10:11] <remo287> ok sorry
[10:11] <colin_> is this the channel for noobs?
[10:18] <Stormx2> remo287: I was being sarcastic, don't worry.
[10:18] <colin_> hah cause i have a pretty simple question
[10:18] <knixtech> colin_, shhot
[10:18] <knixtech> shoot
[10:18] <remo287> hey by the way i m not logged in actually
[10:18] <Stormx2> colin_: Go ahead, they're easier to answer =)
[10:18] <SiliconViper> winterweaver, good luck!
[10:18] <colin_> how do i create a shortcut on the ubuntu desktop?
[10:18] <Dr_willis> colin_,  you should fit right in. :P
[10:18] <knixtech> ha
[10:18] <colin_> to connect samba to a windows network
[10:18] <knixtech> Stormx2, all yours
[10:18] <remo287> when i login to irc using gaim it actually says username not registered
[10:18] <Stormx2> colin_: Right click > create shortcut
[10:18] <Stormx2> colin_; ACK!
[10:18] <colin_> hah
[10:18] <willys_fueguino> kmaynard, r u there??
[10:18] <knixtech> ;
[10:18] <Stormx2> colin_: create launcher
[10:18] <colin_> im sure that's not there
[10:18] <Dr_willis> hmmm
[10:18] <colin_> yeah it's launcher
[10:18] <remo287> stormx2 r u listening
[10:18] <Stormx2> colin_: Sorry, I'm in windows mode.
[10:18] <knixtech> Colin_ drag and drop?>
[10:18] <Stormx2> remo287: Freenode doesn't require registration
[10:18] <colin_> whats the line again for samba network?
[10:18] <colin_> it's smp:/ or something
[10:18] <colin_> smb*
[10:18] <knixtech> ya
[10:18] <Stormx2> nautilus smb:/// I'd assume.
[10:18] <colin_> ok
[10:18] <scheuri> colin_: its smb://SERVER
[10:18] <colin_> i had another question
[10:18] <Arcad3> who can gimme his ssh HOST:USERNAME:PASSWORD to his Ubuntu i will help him with anithing
[10:18] <colin_> oh yeah
[10:18] <ramkishore_> stormx2 then why does it say tht looking for host name and not found
[10:18] <colin_> i keep hearing about optimizing
[10:18] <scheuri> Arcad3: nice try
[10:18] <Arcad3> PM me:D
[10:18] <knixtech> Anyone know how to redirect traffic from 80 to 8080?
[10:18] <Virogenesis> how do I disable promiscuous mode ??!?!?! and what the hell does that mode do?
[10:18] <Stormx2> ramkishore_: I don't know, I guess it means he's still logged into irc from GAIM
[10:18] <THX-1138> Hi apokyphos
[10:18] <colin_> first is that something you need to do on a ppc mac
[10:18] <kstor> has anyone set up aptana on ubuntu successfully?
[10:18] <scheuri> Virogenesis: this mode is not enabled by default unless you started a too/application with root-priviliges that does that mode
[10:18] <colin_> and second is that the reason my dvds play choppy or is it because i have a 500mhz processor?/
[10:18] <ramkishore_> yaa i m still logged frm gaim iand i m able to talk using another id
[10:18] <Lunar_Lamp> how can i find out what kind of ram i have installed (e.g. voltage speeds etc)?
[10:18] <knixtech> Who here wants to get a ubuntu tattoo?
[10:18] <knixtech> i do i do
[10:18] <Stormx2> knixtech: iptables I guess, but not sure how, no. You could do it in your router settings...
[10:18] <Virogenesis> scheuri: that mode got enabled when I added the device in the BRIDGE...
[10:18] <scheuri> Virogenesis: that mode makes your network card listening to ALL traffic which comes to that card...
[10:18] <knixtech> Stormx2, ty, i am trying to do it on smoothwall thou
[10:18] <Stormx2> knixtech: Thats a firewall? OK, Hold on./
[10:18] <scheuri> Virogenesis: bridge? you are using your ubuntu as router?
[10:18] <Virogenesis> scheuri: hm, so that has nothing to do with people not seeing each other inside the bridge, and yes I am using it as a router
[10:18] <knixtech> Stormx2, ya, noone in the irc for it is there
[10:18] <THX-1138> Lunar_Lamp - lshw
[10:18] <willys_fueguino> kmaynard, if I install the games directly from that live-dvd distro to my ubuntu, They'll run in ubuntu??
[10:18] <Stormx2> knixtech: Haha. I'll install it, just give me a min...
[10:18] <knixtech> kk
[10:18] <ramkishore_> hey some one say ithonk there exists a shot cut for not typing names wht is it?
[10:18] <scheuri> Virogenesis: promiscoues means that your card is listening to all traffic, instead of listening to traffic adressed to the card only and rejecting the rest
[10:18] <Stormx2> ramkishore_: tab.
[10:18] <apokryphos> Lunar_Lamp: perhaps hwinfo
[10:18] <knixtech> Stormx2, i have dansguardian running on it
[10:18] <ramkishore_> sorry fotr tht silly question
[10:18] <Arcad3> who wants remote help PM me with ssh HOST:PASSWORD:USER:D
[10:18] <THX-1138> Shortcut for nick comepletion is backspace
[10:18] <Stormx2> ramkishore_: please take time to type your sentences carefully...
[10:18] <Virogenesis> scheuri: could that be the cause people do not see each other from other parts of the bridge?
[10:18] <scheuri> Arcad3: by all due respect...but...that is not nice
[10:18] <meatface> Can anyone in here answer me a question about alsa?
[10:18] <Virogenesis> scheuri: I guess not...
[10:18] <scheuri> Virogenesis: I doubt it actually...but...I cant say for sure
[10:18] <Arcad3> i vill help
[10:18] <l_r> hello
[10:18] <ramkishore_> Stormx2, hey why did u say tht ??
[10:18] <willys_fueguino> can someone respond if I install the games directly from that live-dvd distro to my ubuntu, They'll run in ubuntu??
[10:18] <Stormx2> meatface: Don't ask to ask, just ask!
[10:18] <Virogenesis> scheuri: that actually sounds like something that should be enabled on the other network card :D other than the one that has it enabled
 scheuri: could that be the cause people do not see each other from other parts of the bridge? << no
[10:18] <detra> Hello ... error: dependency is not satisfiable:  ... What does that mean ? Anyone knows ?
[10:18] <we2by> ??
[10:18] <l_r> is there skype 1.3 available somewhere for ubuntu 6.06?
[10:18] <we2by> I've already identified myself
[10:18] <we2by> :\
[10:18] <dyn-afk> en bridge is meant to connect 2 networks together as one
[10:18] <ramkishore_> Stormx2, i mean why should i take time
[10:18] <Arcad3> use gaim for skype accounts
[10:18] <apokryphos> detra: you're installing a package that requires a package that you do not have
[10:18] <ifireball> what's up with security.ubutu.com? its slow as hell! are there any mirrors for it?
[10:18] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: should that be enabled on both cards in a bridge ?
[10:18] <willys_fueguino> can someone respond if I install the games directly from that live-dvd distro to my ubuntu, They'll run in ubuntu??
[10:18] <dyn-afk> so users in both networks can see eachother and access the same resources
[10:18] <Stormx2> ramkishore_: Because we like to keep a fairly high standard of niceness in this channel. If everyone constantly shortened words, misspelt or repeated words, we'd be trading warez in a week.
[10:18] <l_r> Arcad3, gaim does not support voice calls
[10:18] <kstor> has anyone setup aptana (www.aptana.com) on ubuntu successfully
[10:18] <meatface> It seems to me that it is freezing my gui. after the login promt my desktop will start to come up, then it just freezes. If I disable sound in the user privileges, everthing boots fine!
[10:18] <pitti> ifireball: the normal mirrors have them as well
[10:19] <detra> apokryphos, Well my problem is that it says libasound2 ... And I got libasound2 and libasound2-dev and libasound2-doc ....
[10:19] <Xi_> k grub still isn't working properly after changing my menu.lst file
[10:19] <ramkishore_> ok then mr.STormx2 thanks for your nice words
[10:19] <dyn-afk> promiscoues means that your card is listening to all traffic, instead of listening to traffic adressed to the card only and rejecting the rest << that means that the networkcard has to have the promiscous mode
[10:19] <Stormx2> ramkishore_: I don't know if that was sarcastic or not, but thank you!
[10:19] <apokryphos> detra: "it says"? What, exactly? Where? Can you pastebin the full output?
[10:19] <dyn-afk> Virogenesis: why would you want to use a bridge?
[10:19] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: how do I check if I have enabled it on my card?
[10:19] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: router, and a wireless router
[10:19] <steveire> Hey, Aptitude wants to uninstall firefox-dom-inspector, saying it's unused, but I am clearly using it. How do I protect it?
[10:20] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: connecting a local area network with a Wireless network
[10:20] <detra> apokryphos, No ... Cause its when I open an .deb file it says it ...
[10:20] <dyn-afk> you can check the specifications from the hardware manufacturer if the card support promiscous mode or not
[10:20] <apokryphos> detra: open or try to install it?
[10:20] <willys_fueguino> can someone respond if I install the games directly from that live-dvd distro to my ubuntu, They'll run in ubuntu??
[10:20] <ramkishore_> Stormx2, well i was surcastic in typing tht it is my usual practice to use shortcuts while i type any way thanks for the help u have offerd
[10:20] <willys_fueguino> can someone respond if I install the games directly from that live-dvd distro to my ubuntu, They'll run in ubuntu??
[10:20] <ifireball> pitti: afaik if that was true APT (update-mgr) would be d/ling from my "normal" repo right now, am I wrong here?
[10:20] <Stormx2> steveire: You can force its version in synaptic, but if apt wants to uninstall it, it has a good reason. Probably a firefox upgrade which includes the dom inspector, or something.
[10:20] <dyn-afk> try man ifconfig Virogenesis
[10:20] <zool2005> evening all
[10:20] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: sure...
[10:20] <dyn-afk> you can create a bridge with ifconfig
[10:21] <Stormx2> willys_fueguino: What games?
[10:21] <pitti> ifireball: archive mirrors lag behind a day or two
[10:21] <detra> apokryphos, When its open ... I'm not able to click install ... Cause it says that error ... I can only close it again ...
[10:21] <Stormx2> evening zool2005
[10:21] <apokryphos> willys_fueguino: what are you talking about? What games? Are you talking about installing from the Ubuntu LiveDVD to your installed Ubuntu?
[10:21] <synjet>        768'[
[10:21] <kothz> !768'[
[10:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 768'[ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <pitti> ifireball: but if security is after archive in your apt sources, the mirror is prefered, yes
[10:21] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: how do you create a bridge with ifconfig !?
[10:21] <Xi_> can anyone give me a link or something so that I can figure out how to get windows back into my grub bootloader options, the ubuntu kernels as nice as they are aren't that useful
[10:21] <ramkishore_> hey how to play games on ubuntu
[10:21] <kothz> Well, now there's a surprise :)
[10:21] <apokryphos> detra: /msg ubotu deb
[10:21] <adioe3_> Kubuntu won't save the Master Channel after reboot, why? How to fix this?
[10:21] <habeeb> Hello, can you try this online radio link and see if you can listen to the program? So that I can find out, if my firefox has the problem or the radio. http://www.live24.gr/radio/generic/index.jsp?sID=84
[10:21] <detra> apokryphos, huh ?
[10:21] <Stormx2> apokryphos: Maybe its a bot... He asked the same thing 30 mins ago and never checked back for an answer.
[10:21] <zool2005> I've installed the server edition on an old laptop and need to install X from a CD, I've added the cd to repos using apt-cdrom but I can't install any packages with apt-get. Does anyone have any idea?
[10:21] <apokryphos> Xi_: how did ubuntu erase it, apparently?
[10:22] <dyn-afk> in freebsd you could create a bridge device called br0
[10:22] <apokryphos> Stormx2: I see; well, we'll kick if he asks again.
[10:22] <dyn-afk> I've seen it in debian too so it must be the same in ubuntu
[10:22] <fluvvell> willys_fueguino; which dvd ?
[10:22] <apokryphos> detra: type /msg ubotu deb    in here
[10:22] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: you use brctl to do that...
[10:22] <steveire> Stormx2: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25756/
[10:22] <detra> apokryphos, That didn't help me a lot ...
[10:23] <ramkishore_> hello can any one say how to play games like nfs on ubuntu??
[10:23] <apokryphos> detra: it tells you how to install the package; no need to 'open' it
[10:23] <willys_fueguino> apokryphos, Stormx2, nop. I have another distro (I think its called aureox or something like that), and I want to install "X" amount of games from there to my ubuntu..
[10:23] <willys_fueguino> if I do that they'll work later when I come bak to ubuntu??
[10:23] <dyn-afk> ok, then try brctl Virogenesis :)
[10:23] <Xi_> didn't erase it, I think when grub updated it just overwrote my windows bootloader to ubuntu 26 even though I have an ubuntu 27 there already (or visa versa)
[10:23] <ifireball> pitti: that is the situation by default afaik, I suppose I should jusider just removing security.u.c from the sources.list alltogether though that
[10:23] <apokryphos> willys_fueguino: I have no idea about that distro. You'll perhaps just need to compile from source, in which case no, you can't use the live dvd
[10:23] <steveire> Stormx2: It is being used an it shouldn't be removed. I allowed it to remove the package before, and it took the tool away from me in ff
[10:23] <fluvvell> willys_fueguino; no.
[10:23] <apokryphos> willys_fueguino: you'll have to get the source from the net
[10:23] <dyn-afk> I know it can be done by default in freebsd with ifconfig
[10:23] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: I made the bridge but it doesnt work from peers from other parts of bridge
[10:24] <dyn-afk> just like creating a tunnel device
[10:24] <detra> apokryphos, It just tells me to double click it ...
[10:24] <habeeb> Hello, can you try this online radio link and see if you can listen to the program? So that I can find out, if my firefox has the problem or the radio. http://www.live24.gr/radio/generic/index.jsp?sID=84
[10:24] <dephTones> Is there a WINE pkg offered for the AMD x64 edition?
[10:24] <dyn-afk> are they firewalled Virogenesis ?
[10:24] <ifireball> pitti: has it been slow for everyone the last few weeks?
[10:24] <apokryphos> Xi_: well perhaps you can ask someone in here nicely for their grub conf file if they're running windows, and you can improvise
[10:24] <fluvvell> willys_fueguino; you're talking about running a live distro, then installing games while in that distro. Where is it going to install them?
[10:24] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: Im not sure...
[10:24] <pitti> ifireball: no idea, works quite fine for me
[10:24] <fluvvell> willys_fueguino; live distro's normally run in ram.
[10:24] <apokryphos> detra: in the terminal: sudo dpkg -i some.deb
[10:24] <dyn-afk> the bridge works from you to them  ?
[10:25] <Virogenesis> dynb]
[10:25] <detra> apokryphos, I can do that and send you the outcome ... cause that doesn't work either ...
[10:25] <willys_fueguino> apokryphos, and if I copy the installers after booting in that distro tomy ubuntu partition??
[10:25] <steveire> hmm, stormx2 has left. Anyone else know about this apt stuff?
[10:25] <apokryphos> detra: please pastebin the output, then
[10:25] <willys_fueguino> I could install them then right??
[10:25] <detra> k
[10:25] <fluvvell> willys_fueguino; are they deb packages?
[10:25] <Xi_> would anyone who is dual booting windows and ubuntu be willing to lend me their grub.conf file
[10:25] <apokryphos> willys_fueguino: no, that will not work. Use the net.
[10:25] <dyn-afk> Virogenesis ?
[10:25] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: it works from Bridge to each other peers from bridge, but it doesnt work peer to peer from seperate parts of bridge
[10:26] <willys_fueguino> An example of game is the enemy territory and the americas army
[10:26] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: Thehre I typed it out :D heheh
[10:26] <apokryphos> Xi_: grub conf file is /boot/grub/menu.1st
[10:26] <dyn-afk> lol
[10:26] <dyn-afk> ok, that's weird
[10:26] <Gizmo_the_Great1> I struggling a bit.  I've used smbpasswd from my Windows laptop and I can access the folders on the Ubunut box. But, I can't access it from my Ubunt laptop? Any ideas? Using samba.
[10:26] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: I hope u got what I meant to say :D
[10:26] <dyn-afk> I did :)
[10:26] <ramankishore> hello any one can say how to play games like nfs on ubuntu
[10:26] <Xi_> yeah, thats what I mean
[10:26] <detra> !paste
[10:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:26] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: OH Wait, now its not working at all...
[10:27] <dyn-afk> :|
[10:27] <LazyAngel> is it just me, or is there other people that are having problems with the "software updates" (Not synaptics but the one that tells you when you need to update) Gnome crashes when i try to run it :(
[10:27] <meatface> Does anyone know how to access a flash drive that is formatted fat32. I can see it and read from it, but writing files to it does not happen.
[10:27] <detra> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25757/
[10:27] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: dead again...  God damn it... ima try to restart the damn thing again, be here for a few more mins ima get back to u
[10:27] <willys_fueguino> fluvvell, apokryphos, then the only thing to do is use VMware to play while Im in my ubuntu right??
[10:28] <ladydoor> !language
[10:28] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:28] <elliotboney> who used bad language
[10:28] <LazyAngel> metaface: try cat /etc/mtab and see if it is mounted read only
[10:28] <fluvvell> willys_fueguino; well thats one way.  Is the game you're after available for debian?
[10:28] <willys_fueguino> fluvvell, I dont know yet... I didnt check
[10:29] <willys_fueguino> (I'll do that now)
[10:29] <Flamekebab> Can anyone advise me on PEAP and LEAP under Dapper?
[10:29] <willys_fueguino> brb
[10:29] <THX-1138> in a terminal what is the print command?
[10:29] <l_r> is there skype 1.3 available somewhere for ubuntu 6.06?
[10:29] <earthian> hello
[10:30] <Davkomp> Hello
[10:30] <meatface> Here is the output that I get after cat /etc/mtab  --->/dev/sda1 /media/STICK vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1002,gid=1002,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[10:30] <quiet> .
[10:30] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: ok now its pinging from Bridge server to each peers
[10:30] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: lemme check peer to peer
[10:30] <THX-1138> man <terminalprint> file?
[10:30] <habeeb> Hello, can you try this online radio link and see if you can listen to the program? So that I can find out, if my firefox has the problem or the radio. http://www.live24.gr/radio/generic/index.jsp?sID=84
[10:30] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: no, still doesnt work...
[10:30] <dyn-afk> Virogenesis you might want to take a look at the following site: http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Main_Page and more particular at the following article: http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Bridge
[10:31] <earthian> i have a quite hard question: WHY top shows ~950 mb used RAM and gnome-system-monitor shows only like 600mb used. (some xfce4 plugins show the same as gnome)?????
[10:31] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: Funny thing is that everytime I do ANYtHING to a eth1 like change ip or up or down I get a message saying promiscuous mode enabled
[10:31] <zool2005> can I install a WM from CD using apt-get?
[10:31] <Gizmo_the_Great1> I've created a shared folder on a fat partition (called vfat) on my Ubuntu box. I can access it fine from my Windows laptop.  But not from my other laptop thats running Ubuntu. I can navigate to it, but then it says its inaccessible and 'perhaps it's been deleted' but it hasn't. ????
[10:31] <earthian> and the buffers = 4 MB
[10:31] <elliotboney> will the grub boot option of "ide=nodma" really slow down my laptop
[10:31] <Davkomp> exit
[10:31] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: that doesn't happen when I do anything to the ath0 card
[10:32] <dyn-afk> did you give any ip-address to the bridge?
[10:32] <Flamekebab> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=270369 - anyone got anything they could add to that? I'm trying to access my university's wireless, which requires PEAP or LEAP
[10:32] <detra> apokryphos, Can you figure it out ?
[10:32] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: yes
[10:33] <dabugas> hi
[10:33] <apokryphos> detra: where are you getting that gnash package from?
[10:33] <dyn-afk> Virogenesis check the second link I gave you, it says something about getting an ip-address via a dhcp server on a *dsl connection
[10:33] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: thanx, ill give it a look :)
[10:33] <detra> apokryphos, I dl it from ftp.sunsite.dk
[10:33] <dyn-afk> don't give any ip-addresses to a bridge though
[10:33] <dabugas> i can't seem to enable dma. various forums mentioned that it's kernel related, but i haven't updated my kernel. any other ideas?
[10:33] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: really?
[10:33] <vieirar> What package is needed to get libnpsoplugin.so
[10:33] <dyn-afk> you're connecting 2 interfaces so there's no need for IP-addresses
[10:33] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: Why not ?
[10:34] <public_void> http://www.live24.gr/radio/generic/index.jsp?sID=84 doesn't seem to be working for me either
[10:34] <dyn-afk> normally it's a physical connection
[10:34] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: that pc is going to have to be a router too...
[10:34] <apokryphos> detra: you have some depends that just aren't satisfied
[10:34] <dyn-afk> in this case it's done in the software
[10:34] <THX-1138> dabugas - what have you tried so far?
[10:34] <detra> apokryphos, And that means ?
[10:34] <dyn-afk> in that case Virogenesis turn it into a router and just forget the entire bridge idea :P
[10:34] <zool2005> i need to install a light wm from a cd on a laptop without an internet connection. Is it possible?
[10:34] <apokryphos> detra: you require a package that you do not have
[10:34] <xdx> hi
[10:34] <apokryphos> !depends
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about depends - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:34] <detra> !depends
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about depends - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <apokryphos> nevermind that
[10:35] <dyn-afk> use eth0 (which is prolly the wired connection) for the *dsl/cable connection
[10:35] <dabugas> THX-1138, nothing. i just booted my pc and found myself dma-less. i can only suspect a new dvd drive (but hdparm doesn't work on my harddisk either).
[10:35] <detra> apokryphos, k ... But can you figure out which ?
[10:35] <apokryphos> detra: the ones it says
[10:35] <dyn-afk> and use a router so that everything on eth1 (which prolly is wifi) can use the internet
[10:35] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: id love to
[10:35] <THX-1138> dabugus - hdparm isn't loaded??
[10:35] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: but, I don't have money for another pc :)
[10:35] <detra> apokryphos, aight I will try
[10:35] <detra> apokryphos, thx...
[10:36] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: ath0 is wifi eth1 is lan and eth0 is internet
[10:36] <THX-1138> dabugas - syntax error in the file??
[10:36] <dyn-afk> ok
[10:36] <vieirar> What package is needed to get libnpsoplugin.so?
[10:36] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: thanx for help though
[10:36] <dabugas> THX-1138, nope. manually typing sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda fails with: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:36] <dyn-afk> eth0 should be the input for the router and ath0 and eth1 are behind the router
[10:36] <dyn-afk> use something like NAT
[10:37] <xdx> xlibs (> 4.1.0)
[10:37] <xdx> how can i update xlibs ?!
[10:37] <dyn-afk> I've got to go right now, bbl
[10:37] <dyn-afk> good luck to you Virogenesis :)
[10:37] <THX-1138> dabugas - check perms. maybe cp your bak over the edited file?
[10:37] <Virogenesis> dyn-afk: thank you ! :) and have fun
[10:38] <dabugas> THX-1138, if you mean hdparm.conf, that can't be it... because i _should_ be able to do it manually regardless of the file. or am i mistaken?
[10:39] <THX-1138> dabugas - If there is a conflict which takes precedence?
[10:39] <dabugas> THX-1138, like? how can i find out?
[10:39] <THX-1138> dabugas - I wonder if there is only one response
[10:39] <Gizmo_the_Great1> I've created a shared folder on a fat partition (called vfat) on my Ubuntu box. I can access it fine from my Windows laptop.  But not from my other laptop thats running Ubuntu. I can navigate to it, but then it says its inaccessible and 'perhaps it's been deleted' but it hasn't. ????
[10:40] <THX-1138> dabugas - use the backup file copy over the original.
[10:40] <david83> join #ubuntu
[10:41] <Zaggynl> I can't wait until the new nvidia driver goes stable
[10:41] <detra> Anybody know which package libgnash0 is in ?
[10:41] <david83> how to install software without *.deb File that doesn't crash the whole system?
[10:42] <dyn-afk> ok, so no bbl :P
[10:42] <Knifa> while installing ubuntu the install seems to stop at "Retrieving file 814 of 814"
[10:42] <Knifa> does it usually take a while?
[10:42] <Dr_willis> hmm.. the man page for 'dircolors' says the full docs are in 'info dircolors' -- but Info dircolors - just shows the man page.. :) in info format...
[10:43] <Knifa> helloo? D:
[10:43] <david83> hi
[10:44] <setooo> about ubuntu-desktop, I can't install it
[10:45] <david83> somebody who has the same problem i do? before firefox update i could watch videos on youtube.com after it says something about old flash or shockwave player but after i install the package i won't work :( and firefox is crashing much more then before :(
[10:45] <ladydoor> setooo: any particular reason (tell the whole channel)
[10:46] <david83> ladydoor: because he isn't allowed to make a private chat :)
[10:46] <jazzrocker> is there any way to flush swap space?
[10:46] <ladydoor> david83: i meant as opposed to calling me out, like this.
[10:47] <jazzrocker> vmware-server eats ram and swap for lunch
[10:47] <david83> ladydoor: i see
[10:47] <jazzrocker> when i quit, the swap stays there... does that actually matter? or does it only impact performance when it's being used?
[10:48] <Niluje_> hello
[10:48] <david83> swap partition get overwriten doesn't it everytime it is used again after a reboot
[10:48] <david83> hi Niluje_
[10:49] <Ben311> Qustion about Linux
[10:49] <Niluje_> Can I have help with parition ?
[10:49] <detra> Anybody know which package libgnash0 is in ?
[10:49] <Niluje_> I can't use XFS partition to mount / or /home.
[10:49] <Ben311> so I need to have a program called arudius recognize either the ath0 or eth0
[10:49] <Ben311> but I don't know the command in the terminal
[10:49] <Ben311> any hel
[10:49] <Ben311> help*
[10:51] <Niluje_> Ben311:  look at vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:51] <ifireball> Ben311: why do you need that program?
[10:51] <mdke> how can I download a folder from the internet?
[10:51] <jdrake> I have a belkin wireless G pcmcia card (F5D7010 ver 3000tt) and I have tried using ndiswrapper to get it to work, but it always seems to either crash the driver (means I have to reboot to try again) or nothing happens. Any ideas of what I can do? (I have tried most material I have found on area)
[10:52] <Ben311> ifireball: showing it to the computer tech here at my college
[10:52] <sj> mdke: wget -r URL
[10:52] <mdke> sj: I tried "wget -r url" but it didn't work
[10:52] <Ben311> but I need it to recognize the wireless card or the lan line in order to rock the system
[10:52] <dyn-afk> mdke you can try curl
[10:52] <sj> mdke: hmmn, what got dloaded?
[10:52] <mdke> sj: loads of weird stuff from higher level folders
[10:53] <mdke> dyn-afk: ok!
[10:53] <dyn-afk> mdke what kind of folder is it anyway?
[10:53] <sj> mdke: yes keep going inside, you would eventually have the files you want
[10:53] <Ben311> Niluje: well last time my friend did something like ath0 -h or something
[10:53] <dyn-afk> are you using ftp or something?
[10:53] <Ben311> I just need to know how to load it pwease
[10:53] <mdke> dyn-afk: no, http
[10:53] <dyn-afk> ok, then you want wget/curl :P
[10:53] <david83> detra: try http://search.rpmseek.com/search.html
[10:54] <mdke> dyn-afk: can you help me with the exact command?
[10:54] <mdke> curl on its own just returns the html of the apache folder listing
[10:54] <dyn-afk> man curl
[10:54] <ubuntu_> hello ubuntu-folks - any PPC users?
[10:54] <ifireball> Ben311: Ubunto doesn't recognise the wireless cared for you? are you sure that arudius is available for linux? maybe its just what the tech know you need for windows and you need something else for Linux? I.e. I've been a Linux user for years and I've never heared of it...
[10:54] <dyn-afk> I know what curl can do but I don'tknow the exact command
[10:55] <THX-1138> !ppc
[10:55] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers, and now a fully supported Ubuntu architecture.
[10:55] <sj> !curl>dyn-afk
[10:55] <THX-1138> !mac
[10:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <dyn-afk> I need to do the same as you...look at the manual :)
[10:55] <yourself_myself> hello!
[10:55] <lisi> hi - I have an external hard drive I'd like to use with ubntu - Breezy, I think. It detects it when I plug it in but mounts it as read-only - how do I fix this to read-write?
[10:55] <dyn-afk> !curl
[10:55] <ubotu> curl: Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS, FTP or GOPHER server. In component main, is optional. Version 7.15.1-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 164 kB, installed size 264 kB
[10:55] <mdke> dyn-afk: alright, I'll try
[10:55] <yourself_myself> i've just noticed that the locale on my system is en_AU.UTF-8
[10:55] <yourself_myself> how can i change that?
[10:55] <boink> gopher? heh ..
[10:55] <ubuntu_> I need to get my powerbook G4 to run at full cpu speed with the latest ubuntu livecd...  I can access it fine from my Windows laptop.  But not from my other laptop thats running Ubuntu. I can navigate to it, but then it says its inaccessible and 'perhaps it's been deleted' but it hasn't. ????
[10:56] <Flamekebab> LEAP and PEAP?
[10:56] <david83> ubuntu: apm-Management?
[10:57] <ifireball> Ben311: A. so why are you askling on #ubuntu? B. http://arudius.sourceforge.net/ seems its a whole distro not a single program
[10:57] <manmadha> hi!Is there any command to ping all the ip address at a time?
[10:57] <manmadha> to know dead ips
[10:58] <jsleeper> manmadha: you mean on a whole subnet?
[10:58] <sj> manmadha: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/ipiterator
[10:58] <manmadha> jsleeper, yaa
[10:58] <ubuntu_> david83 - there doesnt seemto be any apm daemon on this?
[10:58] <manmadha> in our lan
[10:58] <sj> manmadha: as jsleeper said, that is for a subnet
[10:58] <dyn-afk> manmadha try a tool like nmap
[10:58] <jsleeper> manmadha: i use nmap - nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24 (using that subnet as example)
[10:58] <mdke> dyn-afk: no luck with curl as yet, the manual is a bit complex.
[10:59] <lisi> can anyone help me with an external hard drive?
[10:59] <manmadha> thank u all
[10:59] <kdean06> I have a question, and I do not ask this to flame, or to create one. But I hear people claim Ubuntu "sucks" for various reasons or another, and the main reason tends to be that Ubuntu "harms" Debian. What reasons do people give when they say this?
[10:59] <mdke> does anyone know how I can limit my download just to one specific folder on a server using wget?
[10:59] <david83> ubuntu_: amd or intel?
[10:59] <david83> ubuntu: maybe powernowd
[10:59] <Ben311> ifireball: because I was trying to get help?
[11:00] <sj> mdke: if you have URL as folder/folder2/folder3, it dloads the structure but only the files inside folder3 and subsequently
[11:00] <ubuntu_> david83 - erhhh, none of those... its a powerpc
[11:00] <david83> ubuntu: :) i forgot mom
[11:00] <ithiel> ubuntu_ lol.
[11:01] <david83> ubuntu: try this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=92818
[11:01] <ifireball> Ben311: the way to install packages can be radically different between distros; suppose I've given you the way to do it on ubuntu, it might have been totally useless on your distro; you may be better off going to your distro's channel
[11:02] <david83> ithiel: default name in ubuntu life
[11:02] <zuus> lol
[11:02] <mdke> sj: unfortunately it tries to download some enormous files which are in a totally different folder to the one I specify
[11:02] <Flamekebab> LEAP and PEAP?
[11:02] <lisi> help! anyone?
[11:02] <sj> mdke: it shudnt.. it means you gave the wrong URL.. I guess
[11:02] <david83> lisi: ask your question
[11:02] <segfault> lisi, if u ask a question u have a better chance of getting help
[11:02] <Hattori> i was able to install wifi with ndiswrapper, but each time i reboot i have to do those commands: sudo ifconfig eth0 down; sudo modprobe ndiswrapper; sudo ifconfig eth1 up. Any way to automate those passages at boot time?
[11:03] <mdke> sj: I'm confident of the url. :(
[11:03] <lisi>  hi - I have an external hard drive I'd like to use with ubntu - Breezy, I think. It detects it when I plug it in but mounts it as read-only - how do I fix this to read-write?
[11:03] <david83> lisi: man mount
[11:03] <segfault> lisi, what fs is on external hd?
[11:04] <ubuntu_> david83 - thanks, ill try and see if it Just Works(tm). After all - it IS a Mac... :-)
[11:04] <THX-1138> lisi - man fstab
[11:04] <segfault> lisi, but david83 has the best advice
[11:04] <lisi> I assume fat32 - could be ntfs though, how do I check?
[11:04] <THX-1138> david83 - we are linux gurus right? - lol
[11:04] <david83> no :) i am not
[11:04] <manmadha> david83, if we mount it then it is read only i think
[11:04] <david83> just lazy
[11:04] <segfault> lisi, ntfs write is experimental that could be why it gets mounted ro
[11:05] <dyn-afk> mdke try wget -r which downloads recursively, meaning it'll download everything in that directory (files, directories, etc.)
[11:05] <lisi> segfault: ahhhhhh, that would explain it
[11:05] <tengil> what do i need to be able to create an audio cd out of mp3 files with k3b. now it says unknown format when i add mp3s
[11:05] <THX-1138> lisi - sry - Don't you hate it when after repeating a quesiton there is no answer?
[11:05] <dyn-afk> you can specify the depth so it doesn't download all the other subdirs inside the directory
[11:05] <lisi> I assumed fat32 but ur probably right - anyway I can use this HD then?
[11:06] <yourself_myself> someone, please
[11:06] <yourself_myself> how can i change system locale
[11:06] <yourself_myself> ?
[11:06] <lisi> THX-1138 - yes, but I know peolple are only here to help and giving of their own time sio I appreciate it
[11:06] <SiliconViper> Huzzah, fixed segfaulting Firefox by rebuilding it with apt-build!
[11:06] <mdke> dyn-afk: do you know how to specify the depth? I tried, but didn't succeed
[11:06] <david83> lisi: hit mount in console it should show you all your partions including your external harddisk plus fat or ntfs
[11:07] <THX-1138> lisi - i found a new toy today "testdisk" darn nice
[11:07] <segfault> yourself_myself, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales (iirc)
[11:07] <Hattori> i was able to install wifi with ndiswrapper, but each time i reboot i have to do those commands: sudo ifconfig eth0 down; sudo modprobe ndiswrapper; sudo ifconfig eth1 up. Any way to automate those passages at boot time?
[11:07] <yourself_myself> thanks!
[11:07] <lisi> I did try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk, which did seem to wrok but then popped up an error "You do not have the permissions to view contents" when it tried to open file browser
[11:08] <yourself_myself> segfault: this rebuilds the locales but doesn't let me choose my!
[11:08] <david83> THX: is it testdisk like hdparm?
[11:08] <yourself_myself> how do i tell the system, use this locale?
[11:08] <dyn-afk> the following command does recursive (-r) and uses a depthlevel of 2 (-l2) and saves the files in the directory "/tmp" (-P/tmp): wget -r -l2 -P/tmp ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/
[11:08] <dyn-afk> it's from the wget manual btw
[11:08] <lisi> david83 - yes, it is ntfs :(
[11:08] <segfault> Hattori, u can easily automate that by adding a script that does to ur runlevel, but, i think there is abetter check the forums im sure some else has a similar issue
[11:09] <david83> lisi: then reformat to vfat :)
[11:09] <mdke> dyn-afk: it's still downloading everything
[11:09] <dyn-afk> :||
[11:09] <osman> anyone know a good web design package for gnome on ubuntu?
[11:09] <dyn-afk> vi :)
[11:09] <Shadowpillar_> bluefish
[11:09] <sj> osman: nvu
[11:09] <Shadowpillar_> or nvu
[11:10] <lisi> david83 - it comes with software pre-installed so it's recognized by Winxp - I need this to share files between my Ubntu box and other computers (not networked)
[11:10] <dyn-afk> osman just use vi and type your code
[11:10] <osman> vi LOL
[11:10] <dyn-afk> or use something like nvu, bluefish, quanta plus, etc.
[11:10] <IcemanV9> osman: bluefish, nvu, vi, gedit
[11:10] <dyn-afk> :P
[11:10] <osman> does vi support html / php with syn on?
[11:10] <MrFeetio> !beryl
[11:10] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[11:10] <IcemanV9> dyn-afk beats me to it. :P
[11:10] <lisi> david83 - I assume reformatting would kill all this? or can I change filesystems without losing content?
[11:10] <THX-1138> david83 - I hope lisi is patient with us. - lol  http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:11] <david83> lisi: any free space? maybe repartitioning so that you have a fat32 partion too besides the ntfs?
 does vi support html / php with syn on? << fromwhat I've seen....yep
[11:11] <osman> it does just tested cheers
[11:11] <segfault> dyn-afk, osman yes it does
[11:11] <dyn-afk> * mdke asks for a tarred up copy of the folder << that would be a good solution :)
[11:11] <lisi> david83 - ok, that could work - didn't think to do that with an external drive but why  not? Can I do that with gparted?
[11:12] <Rockj> hey. I have troubles with playing midi files. what might be wrong?
[11:12] <osman> asnother question not really ubuntu specifically, i should know this as im a IT engineer, can i have apache and then have gnu using port 80???
[11:12] <david83> hmm ? THX? do you know the answer?
[11:12] <osman> asnother question not really ubuntu specifically, i should know this as im a IT engineer, can i have apache and then have gnump3d using port 80???
[11:12] <sureshot> hey l need to ask what is the syntax to using wget
[11:12] <dyn-afk> man wget sureshot :)
[11:12] <rem__> anyon knows how to imprt audio files in rhythmbox ... it tells me that .mp3 is not an audio file ... ?! the same file works fine from another location in rhythmbox ... ?!
[11:12] <BlueEagle> So I've got a thomson (alcatel) speedtouch ADSL modem. This modem gets an IP from my ISP and it also gives an IP to my box. Now is there anyone that know any way to automagically check what that external IP is from my box? The webinterface of the modem is less than helpful with this tbh.,
[11:13] <manmadha> If we format our system .....Is root file system mount again?
[11:13] <BlueEagle> Perhaps that's off-topic. :/
[11:13] <sureshot> thanks dyn-afk dhu i should have thought of that been a bad day thanks again
[11:13] <dyn-afk> osman you can't have 2 services using the same port, that would lead to problems
[11:13] <Mille> why can't i move my ubuntu partition?
[11:13] <david83> lisi: i don't have gparted but parted and sfdisk could work too
[11:14] <THX-1138> manmadha > !grub
[11:14] <THX-1138> manmadha: Did that help?
[11:14] <lisi> david83 - ok, cool - thanks for the help!
[11:14] <ladydoor> clear
[11:14] <rem__> I guess ill continue using xmms...rhythmbox is really to complicated to use .. it doesnt play half the radios xmms plays, and the only time i was able to enter mp3 files in it I had to trick the program...I just dont remember how ... :P
[11:14] <manmadha> 1m i will see...
[11:14] <Wodger> blue traceroute should show, or just go to some firewall testing sight.
[11:14] <manmadha> !grub
[11:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:14] <[H] 3b0R> hey im lookin for an nice system monitor applet thats easy to configure, shows cpu, ram, and hd monitor etc...
[11:14] <osman> dyn-afk, what i want to do is use gnump3d on port 80 to traverse the works firewall but i also wan to run apache, can i just redirect apache to another port or something, but make it transparent to the web user????
[11:14] <THX-1138> rem_ - "" xmms+stremtuner/streamripper.
[11:15] <rem__> yea
[11:15] <dyn-afk> BlueEagle there is a dutch site ( www.watismijnip.nl ) which can tell you what you're public ip-address is
[11:15] <david83> lisi: i never did that so i don't know if it works but is should be. please be careful
[11:15] <rem__> I just wanted to give rhythmbox a try...but I guess Ill give up..too much hasstle ..
[11:15] <dyn-afk> it's in dutch but the pubic ip-address is very easy to spot :P
[11:15] <dyn-afk> it's like size 32 or something
[11:15] <sj> rem: tried amarok?
[11:15] <david83> ladydoor: is clear working in your irc program?
[11:15] <BlueEagle> dyn-afk: I was hoping that I could keep this internally w/o relying on a 3rd party (or second server).
[11:16] <rem__> xmms, amarok, zinf..all fine ... I jmust wanted to give rhythmbox a try ...
[11:16] <ladydoor> david83: you mean the ability to use /clear to clear the screen? yes. why?
[11:16] <THX-1138> rem - amarok is very good. - still has the codecs issues. but, you have most installed already right?
[11:16] <Wodger> there maybe some app that can tell the external IP
[11:16] <david83> clear
[11:16] <rem__> yep
[11:16] <osman> dyn-afk, what do u recommend in my situation?
[11:16] <david83> ladydoor: so you just forgot the / right?
[11:17] <Hattori> how to set static ip on a wifi connection?
[11:17] <ladydoor> david83: when?
[11:17] <sj> david83: :D it is like asking which command to quit? ;)
[11:17] <THX-1138> rem_ - commandline mpg321 dump all the files in a single folder - not fancy - lol
[11:17] <Mille> anyone that know how to move the ubuntu partition?
[11:17] <ladydoor> david83: oh, way up there. actually, i typed it in the wrong GNU screen window.
[11:17] <SiliconViper> So apparently while running an xfs_repair, some lost porography was moved to lost+found.
[11:17] <ladydoor> david83: sorry.
[11:17] <SiliconViper> *pornography
[11:17] <david83> ladydoor: sorry i cleared my screen but 2min ago you said clear
[11:18] <Rockj> what I'am missing when ubuntu wont play .midi files?
[11:18] <dyn-afk> you can redirect the apache port but it's not very advisable to do so osman
[11:18] <dyn-afk> put the gnump3d on a different port
[11:18] <dyn-afk> don't mess with ports below 1024 :)
[11:18] <THX-1138> RockJ - timidity
[11:18] <david83> Mille: what do you mean by that?
[11:18] <osman> ok dyn-afk , then the firewall will block it , cant rember wich ports are open apart from 80
[11:18] <rylasasin> guys is there any way to save my linux? I tried installing xgl/beryl on dapper, I followed the forum posts exactly as it said, and now its broke it wont' run x is there any way to save it now or do I have to do a reinstall?
[11:19] <aboutb> anyone know of a newb friendly website instructing how to get wireless running on compaq broadcom internal?
[11:19] <Flamekebab> Can anyone please help me with LEAP and PEAP?
[11:19] <Mille> david83, i want to move the partition through gparted, from the live-cd. but i wont let me.
[11:19] <dyn-afk> BlueEagle the easiest way of getting the external ip-address would be to use something like www.watismijnip.nl :P
[11:19] <sj> rylasasin: do you have your /home on a separate drive?
[11:19] <rylasasin> no
[11:19] <david83> Mille: why not just a normal install of ubuntu?
[11:19] <Mille> david83, i've just deleted all partitions on the drive, the ubuntu partition is the only one left. i want to move it to the beginingn.
[11:19] <THX-1138> rylasasin: What happens if you edit out the references to composite in xorg.conf?
[11:19] <dyn-afk> osman you can open up ports in the firewall :)
[11:19] <sj> rylasasin: try getting an xorg file to replace the old one
[11:20] <Mille> david83, it's allready installed. and now i removed windows.
[11:20] <rylasasin> I cant get in ubuntu to do that
[11:20] <osman> nah im not involved with infrastucture
[11:20] <osman> :)
[11:20] <dyn-afk> you can try vpn or something like ssh
[11:20] <BlueEagle> dyn-afk: Not when you're monitoring for the line to come back up imo. :)
[11:20] <sj> rylasasin: search for your h/w config xorg sample file online, get the URL and dload it on the broken system.. might work
[11:20] <Rockj> THX-1138: so I wont be able to have playback in xmms for midi?
[11:21] <definity_> blap blap
[11:21] <Rockj> THX-1138: nor in games that uses midi either? like dunelegacy?
[11:21] <dyn-afk> rem__  did you install all of the gstreamer plugins ?
[11:21] <definity_> what a good console txt editor
[11:21] <dyn-afk> vi
[11:21] <definity_> thanks
[11:21] <THX-1138> Mille - I don't know of a an open source tool. possibly reformatfirst partition  then copy ubuntu to it? else paragon makes $ util
[11:21] <boink> joe
[11:21] <rylasasin> how do I do that?!?!?!
[11:21] <Rockj> THX-1138: sorry, just tested dunelegacy again, and midi works :D
[11:21] <Rockj> THX-1138:  in the game.. thanks :)
[11:21] <boink> joe is easier to use than vi
[11:21] <david83> Mille: i guess it can't be the first partition but why do you want it to be at the beginning the important thing is that you have space??
[11:22] <THX-1138> RockJ - hm - haven't really needed midi playback..
[11:22] <Mille> david83, cause i want to merge the space with the space after the ubuntu partition
[11:22] <hou5ton> at one point, on a previous Ubuntu install, I had the Win key set so that it opened Synaptic, but now I can't remember how I did that.  I'vfe checked the Preferences Menu options, etc, and can't find how I did that.  Any ideas?
[11:22] <rem__> fyi: the mp3 codec was recently removed because of patent issue...I guess after I Dist-upgraded Rhythmbox stopped playing mp3 ...I guess I'll look for the codecs .. :P
[11:22] <definity_> how the hell do i use vi?
 joe is easier to use than vi << it's better to be able to use vi since vi is on every unix/linux machine you can thiink of
[11:23] <dyn-afk> by default
[11:23] <Mille> THX-1138? was that to me? shouldn't gpart be able to move partitions? even the ubuntu partition, using it from the live-cd?
[11:23] <dyn-afk> joe isn't
[11:23] <david83> Mille:  __space__|UBUNTU|___space____ ?
[11:23] <Rockj> THX-1138: need it for good old classics which are being remade, like dunelegacy
[11:23] <Rockj> :)
[11:23] <dyn-afk> nano is also a commandline editor which is widely used
[11:23] <Mille> david83, correct. :-)
[11:23] <THX-1138> rem_ - Is ffmpeg what you want?
[11:23] <definity_> il try that one
[11:23] <dyn-afk> there are good reference cards on the internet for vi
[11:23] <dyn-afk> very usable :)
[11:24] <Mille> david83, so i want to move it to the beggning: |UBUNTU|___SPACE___ ;-)
[11:24] <osman> ok dyn-afk i just spotted the libapache-mod-mp3 , anyone used this before?
[11:24] <rylasasin> looks like I'll have to do a whole d**n reboot. man am i P**SED
[11:24] <THX-1138> Mille - You might format the first partition to ext3 than use the "dd" or "ddrescue" command to copy second partition to the first.
[11:24] <david83> Mille: What about make the first space a linux partition the move the files to the first partion the delete the old one and merge the space with the other space?
[11:24] <dyn-afk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi << great article
[11:24] <david83> ;)
[11:24] <sj> rylasasin: if you got the new xorg file, you can boot the Xserver only
[11:25] <Mille> david83, THX-1138, ok.. no other solution? gparted for some reason don't want to move it.
[11:25] <THX-1138> RockJ - This is a sucky answer but maybe use WINE?
[11:25] <david83> Mille - normal because the first partition of the harddisk is always difficult?
[11:26] <dyn-afk> definity_ check out the following links for vi: http://www.chem.brown.edu/instructions/vi.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi
[11:26] <THX-1138> mille - The DD command will do it. man dd or the linux documentation project .org   for info.
[11:26] <david83> THX: is it possible to move it?
[11:27] <Mille> david83, hm. why should it be difficult with the first partition? i mean, it's currently the ONLY partition on the drive
[11:27] <definity_> thanks, what directory dose it save txt to? on nano?
[11:27] <paul0> how i can check my actual color Depth?
[11:27] <definity_> i typed in a name and it didnt ask for a directory
[11:27] <THX-1138> mille - just plain 'ol cp with the right switches enabled to preserve symlinks. -still in all you might be faster to reinstall. if the commands are new to you.
[11:27] <sj> paul0: pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that file has the info
[11:27] <paul0> Second Life is asking for 32-bit color
[11:28] <paul0> 32bit color is the 24 bpp?
[11:28] <dyn-afk> nope
[11:28] <Mille> THX-1138, i think i can copy it with gparted. i'm resizing the ubuntu partition to fitt the beggining space on the drive. :-)
[11:28] <dyn-afk> but you can try paul0
[11:29] <THX-1138> pauk0 - secondlife with WINE or Cedega? - coolness (does happy dance)
[11:29] <david83> Mille: I guess the first partition of the hd had the index for the extend partions that followed as you deleted it an extend partition can't be at the start of the hd because it's nessary to have a primary partition
[11:29] <Crippy-Boy> Hmm i need someones opinion on something.
[11:29] <dyn-afk> mostly apps think they have 32 bit color but in reality it's just 24 bit
[11:29] <paul0> DefaultDepth    24
[11:29] <Crippy-Boy> Im creating a live cd for my own personal use, but i have to add/remove/edit specific things
[11:29] <paul0> but second life is still asking for 32 bit color
[11:29] <THX-1138> Mille - There is also "partimage" good i have been told. bad luck with it myself using knoppix.
[11:29] <definity_> where dose nano save the fiels you save init to?
[11:29] <definity_> files
[11:29] <Nookie> is microsoft running linux? nmap -O -vv -sS -T4 -A search.microsoft.com
[11:30] <jonah1980_2> hi i paid channel 4 a pound to watch an episode of lost which i thought would work with firefox mplayer plugin, only when i try to watch it firefox complains i need to install missing plugins, can anyone help me? please
[11:30] <Crippy-Boy> Im not sure if i should remaster the ubuntu live cd, Create it all on hd properly then use livecd scripts, Or start it from scratch
[11:30] <Mille> david83, couldn't be. cause at first i wanted to move the ubuntu partition forward and make the windows partition (that was in the beggning of the drive) bigger, but that wasn't possible either.
[11:30] <definity_> yeh download it from a torrent
[11:30] <dyn-afk> no Nookie Microsoft isn't running linux
[11:30] <Mille> THX-1138, ok. i'll check it out if i run into trubble with gparted. thanks alot. :-)
[11:30] <Nookie> dyn-afk: okej
[11:31] <dyn-afk> Microsoft is not hosting the search.microsoft.com site
[11:31] <Crippy-Boy> Would it matter if they were
[11:31] <dyn-afk> just like most part of microsoft.com
[11:31] <THX-1138> Mille - Welcome to the linux community.
[11:31] <definity_> jonah1980_2: download the torrent of it that way you dont waste anymoney
[11:31] <dyn-afk> they outsorced the hosting for their site to one of the biggest hosters in the world
[11:31] <definity_> how can i search for files in konsole
[11:31] <david83> Mille: Windows bigger?|Ubuntu <-- at the same time| space???
[11:31] <dyn-afk> and that hoster runs linux machines
[11:31] <Flamekebab> A little help with a supported wireless card and PEAP/LEAP?
[11:31] <Flamekebab> Someone?
[11:32] <dyn-afk> that's why most microsoft.com subsites return linux as the OS
[11:32] <THX-1138> dyn-afk - Did you see what OS that host is using?
[11:32] <THX-1138> dyn-afk - roflmao
[11:32] <david83> Mille: how do you write in red as you answer me?
[11:32] <Mille> david83, ehm. first i had a windows partition 5 gb, then a unbuntu 5 gb. then i wanted to move the ubuntu 2 gb forward and resize windows to 7 gb.
[11:32] <definity_> how can you search for a file in konsole?
[11:33] <lamego> find path -name "filename"
[11:33] <Mille> david83, i dont? it's your irc client.... xchat? ;-)
[11:33] <lamego> or locate "filename"
[11:33] <definity_> thanks
[11:33] <brk3> definity_: locate <filename>
[11:33] <david83> Mille: hm how does hi knows?
[11:33] <dyn-afk> btw, Microsoft's  hoster is Akamai, but that's also returned by that nmap command nookie gave
[11:34] <jonah1980_2> do i need a symlink or something?? why is it not recognising the plugin?
[11:34] <Mille> david83??
[11:34] <sj> jonah: do other videos work fine?
[11:34] <livingdaylight> having problems with the keyboard layout. Whether i set it to French or German i am left with the usual uk keyboard
[11:34] <david83> Mille: i mean how does the client know we are talking to each other? i could be any user in this room like THX that i am talking to
[11:34] <definity_> how do i update my locate DB?
[11:34] <jonah1980_2> sj, i thought they did but haven't tried any others - on a diff computer to one i usually use
[11:34] <definity_> it says it out of date
[11:35] <david83> definity: updatedb as root
[11:35] <definity_> thanks
[11:35] <sj> jonah: I meant other videos that require mplayer-ff plugin
[11:35] <david83> definity: you're welcome
[11:35] <Mille> david83, i'm writing your nickname. then it gets highlighted red.
[11:35] <rem__> FYI: This package is needed to play mp3 with rhythmbox in dapper: gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[11:35] <david83> Mille, test
[11:36] <david83> :( not read
[11:36] <david83> red
[11:36] <Mille> david83 - red?
[11:36] <dyn-afk> THX-1138 try the nmap command nookie gave with msdn.microsoft.com instead of search.microsoft.com, it will return Windows as OS
[11:36] <rem__> tried about 100 diff gstreamer packages b4 finding the right one ... :P
[11:36] <THX-1138> david83 - IRC text colors http://www.new2chat.com/color.html
[11:36] <dyn-afk> Service Info: OS: Windows <<see
[11:36] <livingdaylight> having problems with the keyboard layout. Whether i set it to French or German i am left with the usual uk keyboard
[11:36] <david83> Mille is this messages red for you?
[11:36] <admin_> whats a good program to extract a rar archive?
[11:36] <dyn-afk> admin_ try rar
[11:36] <NemesisUK> unrar
[11:36] <dyn-afk> and unrar
[11:36] <Mille> david83, no, i've choosen my own colors in my client.
[11:36] <fabiomazzarino> I'm trying to use radeon drivers at my ATi Radeon 9200SE, but I can't make Direct Rendering work.
[11:37] <david83> THX-1138 :) i guess i am a hard newbie
[11:37] <jonah1980_2> sj, no doesn't seem to pick up on wmv files at all
[11:37] <jonah1980_2> can anyone help me get wmvs playing in firefox please?
[11:37] <fabiomazzarino> I've already modprobed radeon module, and via_agp.
[11:37] <boink> there is a mplayer-plugin for firefox
[11:38] <THX-1138> david83 - The dictionary definition of noob has my pic. need to work harder if you want my place.
[11:38] <jonah1980_2> mplayer plugin isn't showing up in synaptic!
[11:38] <sj> jonah: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28Mplayer.29_with_plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[11:38] <NemesisUK> jonah1980_2, it's in multiverse I think
[11:39] <skySurfer> I just reformatted a partition using ext3. Now there is a lost+found directory. Does anybody know if this is needed or can it be savely deleted?
[11:39] <david83> THX i don't get it where on the page is it discribed?
[11:40] <jonah1980_2> mozilla-mplayer is installed, but firefox doesn't think so!!
[11:40] <david83> skySurfer: definitely needed
[11:40] <skySurfer> ok. What is it? something for ext3?
[11:40] <sj> jonah: restart FF
[11:40] <maccam94> ugh i've got weird sound issues. is there a way to get any sound-related stuff to completely reconfigure itself?
[11:41] <jonah1980_2> i've closed and restarted firefox and still no#
[11:41] <david83> skySurfer: in case of hang-up the file that where messed up will be put there so you can try to get the back and running
[11:41] <david83> them
[11:41] <skySurfer> david83: ok thanks for that. I'll have to do some reading then...
[11:41] <ruth> hi all
[11:42] <sj> hi ruth
[11:42] <Distro^Junkie> what's the latest version of amarok available ?
[11:42] <ruth> does edgy comes with gnome 2.16?
[11:42] <maccam94> lemme check
[11:42] <maccam94> yup
[11:42] <maccam94> ruth: yup i'm in it right now
[11:42] <THX-1138> !ubuntu+1 > ruth
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu+1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <david83> what is more work? linux from scratch or gentoo?
[11:43] <ruth> how to upgrade??
[11:43] <david83> !me
[11:43] <livingdaylight> having problems with the keyboard layout. Whether i set it to French or German i am left with the usual uk keyboard
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <david83> !time
[11:43] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (dapper), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[11:44] <jonah1980_2> could it be to do with me only having firefox 1.0.3?? how do i upgrade to latest version
[11:44] <maccam94> ruth: gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[11:44] <maccam94> that'd get you edgy
[11:44] <Knifa> hurray!
[11:44] <Knifa> ubuntu working on my new motherboard
[11:44] <Knifa> finally
[11:44] <tuxtux> notte a tutti
[11:44] <david83> that's nice
[11:45] <Mille> THX-1138, do you think i should make a seperate partition to mount /home on?
[11:45] <livingdaylight> does the keyboard layout not work?
[11:45] <rudiz> hi..how i get rid of the debian submenu in Applications
[11:45] <sj> jonah: shoujldnt be that way..
[11:46] <THX-1138> mille - I do. - less fear of trying some nifty new app.
 THX-1138, do you think i should make a seperate partition to mount /home on? <<I'm not THX-1138, but yes, that would be a very very very good idea
[11:46] <david83> is it bad to install 2 Versions of Firefox or 2 Versions of kernel modules on my system? does it make the same trouble then in windows?
[11:46] <ruth> cool
[11:46] <Mille> THX-1138, dyn-afk, how big should the root partition be then?
[11:46] <lotusleaf> Do I need ACPI on my desktop box?
[11:46] <dyn-afk> if you screw up ubuntu for some reason you won;t have to worry about the contents in your homedir
[11:47] <ruth> maccam94, great!! thnxs
[11:47] <dyn-afk> I created a 6 GB partition for / but I think 7 or 7.5GB would be better
[11:47] <dyn-afk> it just depends on what you want to install
[11:47] <THX-1138> Mille - at least 2.5 gigs. - I like 5 (apt cache fills tings up fast)
[11:47] <Rug> THX-1138: nice nic
[11:47] <IcemanV9> rudiz: use the menu editor to unclick debian submenu
[11:47] <Mille> i'll go with 7. :-)
[11:47] <dyn-afk> if that's kde with gnome then you'll prolly need more then 7.5 GB
[11:47] <david83> apt autoclean?
[11:47] <dyn-afk> :)
[11:48] <Mille> juse gnome i guess
[11:48] <Mille> just*
[11:48] <lotusleaf> Is there any real reason to have the ACPID service running on a desktop?
[11:48] <Smak> from a default server install, is gdm setup and enabled by default?
[11:48] <Mille> any reasons I shouldn't put the swap at the beggning of the drive?
[11:48] <david83> lotusleaf: yes
[11:48] <Rug> Mille: MBR needs to be at the beginning
[11:48] <dyn-afk> nope Smak it's commandline only (as it should be)
[11:49] <sj> Smak: I dont think so.. you are thrown to terminal mode
[11:49] <lotusleaf> david83: hi, so, without grand details, I should just leave it active?
[11:49] <THX-1138> Rug - "Buy.. Buy more.. Buy more now!" thanks rug
[11:49] <Mille> Rug, so you dont think this will work?
[11:49] <dyn-afk> mbr first, then swap, then everything else
[11:49] <Rug> Mille: you will get best preformance by putting it at the 'end' of the drive anyway.
[11:49] <Mille> i see
[11:49] <Rug> THX-1138: I use it as the host name of my PC
[11:49] <Smak> so gdm is enabled only with the client install.
[11:50] <Rug> Mille: the 'end' of the drive is the outer edge of the disk.
[11:50] <Mille> ok
[11:50] <dyn-afk> outer edge has a longer travel
[11:50] <sj> Smak: you could always apt-get
[11:50] <Mille> i understand
[11:50] <Mille> yeah
[11:50] <THX-1138> Rug - Impatience force my machines to be testy# - no patience
[11:50] <Smak> sjbrown: Oh, i was just wondering.
[11:50] <Smak> err ^^ sj
[11:50] <david83> lotusleaf, so you can hit the powerbutton and the system shut's down if configured properly and for BIOS Hardware things like that
[11:51] <kothz> !guinness
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guinness - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <jordan> How do I map F12 as right click?
[11:51] <Rug> How do I burn audio-CD's from MP3s?
[11:51] <kothz> Sigh.  What kind of well-stocked bot are you?
[11:52] <Smak> Rug: k3b?
[11:52] <THX-1138> kothz - 12step sober bot?
[11:52] <Rug> Smak: I get an error; invaid format
[11:52] <will> Hello! I'm trying to install the latest version of Blender3d (see http://www.blender3d.org).  The version on the repositories is out of date by one version, and coincidentally the latest version added the most important features I need.  So, I must download and build from source.  Does anyone have expierience with this?
[11:52] <david83> how to use that damn WIN-Button?
[11:52] <Ingmar^> does anyone know why i can't seem to play an xvid fluently using _any_ player, and using xv, as video driver ? it used to work on 6.10 LTS, but I doubt it's related to edgy
[11:52] <IcemanV9> !language > david83
[11:52] <jordan> will, Did you check backports first?
[11:52] <dyn-afk> Rug you can use serpentine for creating an audio cd from mp3 files, serpentine is installed by default in ubuntu
[11:53] <david83> sorry Iceman
[11:53] <Rug> dyn-afk: thanks.
[11:53] <dyn-afk> np
[11:53] <sj> david: you could configure your win key (called as Super_L) to anything
[11:53] <cafuego> will: Download the source deb package and replacethe actual sources, keeping the debian/ subdir. Then build a custom .deb.
[11:53] <THX-1138> Ingmar^- vlc
[11:53] <jonah1980_2> i've updated firefox and i just don't get why the mplayer plugin isn't working or even attempting to work in firefox, can anyone help fix it?
[11:53] <Rug> It was working fine vefore a recent apt-get dist-upgrade.  So I don't know what bjorked it
[11:53] <will> jordan:  I'm not very expierienced in linux.  I added multiverse and universe to my repos;  Could you elaborate on how to do this through backports?
[11:53] <Ingmar^> THX-1138: it discards frames on ALL players, including vlc, mplayer, kaffeine & xine-ui
[11:53] <jordan> !backports
[11:53] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:53] <sj> jonah: is mplayer working fine independently? just wondering..
[11:54] <will> cafeugo:  It doesn't have a debian package as far as I know, It just has static and linked i386 sourcecode.
[11:54] <will> going to backports link now
[11:54] <jordan> will, It may not have the version you want, but it is worth checking.
[11:54] <THX-1138> Ingmar^ - No help here. - it works for me.
[11:54] <Ingmar^> THX-1138: thanks for your answer :-)
[11:55] <david83> sj: how to configure Super_L
[11:55] <sj> david: system->pref->keyboard shortcuts
[11:55] <cafuego> will: Yes, use the i386 sourcecode with the current debian build scripts.
[11:56] <rjm> when i move you move
[11:56] <THX-1138> david83 - gconf-editor /apps/metacity commands  key
[11:56] <jordan> How do I map F12 as right click? ( I am using a mac and don't have right click )
[11:57] <will> jordan: I just added the backports and I'm scanning now, if not I guess I'll need to attempt to build it from source
[11:57] <THX-1138> jordan - I haven't done this but xev (if installed) will give you the needed info.
[11:57] <david83> jordan: i guess the same as i do my win-key
[11:58] <kothz> jordan: first link from search result in google: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24868.html
[11:58] <livingdaylight> ;lkjhgfdsagfdsaqpwoeiurytbvncmxz,\.::@{}+_)(*&^%$$"
[11:58] <livingdaylight> can't get my german keyboard to work
[11:58] <livingdaylight> anyone have any idea why the keyboard layout is not working?
[11:58] <will> jordan: The backports do not have the version I need. I'm going to build from source, So far I just downloaded build essentials.  Should I get Static source code or Dynamic?
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> hello guys!
[11:59] <sj> livingdaylight: maybe you have to restart your xserver
[11:59] <jordan> kothz, I have already tried those instructions and they didn't work :(
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> anyone got some time for a couple of Qs?
[11:59] <THX-1138> livingdaylight - there is a rules file in /etc/x11/xkbd/ - still working on your question.
[11:59] <livingdaylight> sj: HMMM..
[11:59] <jordan> !ask
[11:59] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> hehehe
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> well
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> i got a laptop
[11:59] <Mille> THX-1138, and tip you can give of things i should read when starting to use ubuntu? after my last installation i had some problem getting mp3's to work. I found a python program called 'easyubuntu' that installed all necessery thingys. You got any other tip?
[11:59] <livingdaylight> THX-1138: i don't follow?
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> with an 80gig HDD
[11:59] <shodanjr_gr> and i wana dual boot XP + Ubuntu
[12:00] <ArrenLex> !enter >shodanjr_gr
[12:00] <livingdaylight> THX-1138: i need to co into /etx/x11/xkbd?
[12:00] <SkramX> I boot up the livecd and my screen is just blank
[12:00] <shodanjr_gr> but i want to be able to share files between the two OSes, and as far as i know, XP can not read Linux partitions. What would be the best way to do this?
[12:00] <NemesisUK> SkramX, is it a laptop
[12:00] <ArrenLex> shodanjr: make a third fat32 partition for this purpose.
[12:00] <THX-1138> livingdaylight - there is a conf file "xorg" in /etc/X11/xkbd/rules - still deciphering it. - doh
[12:01] <david83> Mille: install mplayer or vlc !
[12:01] <Mille> shodanjr_gr, there is a driver for ext2/3 support.
[12:01] <SkramX> NemesisUK: indeed
[12:01] <will> Could someone explain to me what the difference between Static and Dynamic source code is? I need to pick one to download.
[12:01] <dan_> for those interested you can download for free a fully functional cad program for linux at the following url http://www.cad-schroer.com/medusa.php?land=com&scr=1.1
[12:01] <TheGateKeeper> shodanjr_gr: might be of interest: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6104490811311898236


[01:37] <Cheri703> \o/ got a call, going to see a client monday :)
[03:49] <Cheri703> anyone around tonight?
[04:04] <canthus13> Sorta.. what's up?
[04:07] <Cheri703> just really dang bored :)
[04:07] <Cheri703> antsy
[04:12] <canthus13> Well, you could throw together a machine to test the openbox stuff I'm working on...
[04:14] <Cheri703> mine are all being a bit moody lately
[04:14] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:16] <canthus13> Mine keep getting taken down by power outages. :/
[04:16] <Cheri703> :/
[04:17] <canthus13> yeah... like 2-3 second outages. :(
[04:26] <Cheri703> weird
[14:27] <gilbert> good morning ohio!
[14:37] <dmcglone> Morning gilbert
[17:52] <Cheri703> \o/ completed another item on my to do list!
[17:57] <Cheri703> canthus13: figured you'd have at least suggestions for that openbox question in -ot
[18:14] <canthus13> :D
[21:21] <deejoe> -ot ?
[21:21] <deejoe> overtime?
[21:22] <Cheri703> off topic


[01:02] <JanC> I assume they have multimedia keys instead of Fnn keys by default
[01:03] <JanC> some Microsoft desktop keyboards have/had that too
[01:03] <JanC> super annoying
[01:24] <callmepk> good morning
[01:33] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[01:39] <callmepk> morning duflu
[05:54] <RAOF> seb128: debian/1.4.5-3 is tagged in colord on salsa which fixes(*) the s390x FTBFS, if you'd kindly be able to upload that.
[08:13] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk and duflu
[08:13] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson
[08:25] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson. You are representing Europe today
[08:25] <duflu> Or umm Britain
[08:36] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:43] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:44] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128
[09:04] <Laney> yo
[09:05] <seb128> hey duflu, marcustomlinson, Laney
[09:12] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:13] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:21] <Laney> sup seb128 marcustomlinson duflu
[09:48] <RikMills> jibel Laney : it would be great if we can get that ubiquity fix in this week, but I understand if that is judged too risky
[13:19] <Laney> (some time later)
[13:19] <Laney> yeah I'm scared of the heat if it is fubared even more than it currently is
[13:19] <Laney> and nobody's around to take care
[14:38] <RikMills> Laney: fair enough. I will try to put the fixed ubiquity in a PPA somewhere, so testers can try that on the ISO at least
[16:12] <ricotz> hellsworth, hey :)
[16:13] <ricotz> could give that libreoffice build for groovy some testing? libreoffice - 1:7.0.4~rc2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~lo1
[16:14] <ricotz> available in prereleases and fresh ppa
[16:37] <hellsworth> ricotz: sure
[16:48] <ricotz> hellsworth, thank you, 7.0.4 was released which calls for another SRU


[07:07] <Saviq> morning
[07:08] <Saviq> mzanetti, fyi, bug #1491566 is getting more and more heat
[07:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, also fyi, mir and u-s-c are there in silo 14 now, too
[07:41] <Saviq> there's just one thing I don't necessarily understand there
[07:41] <Saviq> mir in wily is 0.15.1, in overlay it's 0.14.1
[07:42] <Saviq> so not really a no-change rebuild, is it...
[08:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: overlay (or vivid) has some 0.13 bits that end up in the image, i wonder if that's because some rebuilds are needed or because we actually want to ship those 0.13 bits to support "old" click apps
[08:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you mean the image has some 0.13 mir bits?
[08:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep
[08:08] <tsdgeos> ii  libmirclient8:armhf                                  0.13.3+15.04.20150617-0ubuntu1                        armhf        Display server for Ubuntu - client library
[08:08] <tsdgeos> ii  libmircommon4:armhf                                  0.13.3+15.04.20150617-0ubuntu1                        armhf        Display server for Ubuntu - shared library
[08:09] <Saviq> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir vivid has 0.12
[08:09] <Saviq> hmm interesting what pulls that in
[08:09]  * Saviq checks
[08:09] <tsdgeos> gdk3
[08:09] <tsdgeos> and libubuntu-platform-hardware-api2:armhf
[08:09] <tsdgeos> which is also not used by anyone and could be dropped
[08:10] <Saviq> looks like mir 0.14 was release without rebuilding
[08:10] <tsdgeos> unless we want it there for retro compatibility
[08:10] <anpok> but platform-api was rebuilt with 0.15
[08:10] <anpok> sorry
[08:10] <anpok> 0.14
[08:10] <anpok> but I guess libubuntu-platform-hardware-api2 is listed somewhere - i.e. app support?
[08:11] <anpok> which version of gdk3?
[08:11] <anpok> vivid+overlay should have 3.14 and that was part of the 0.14 landing iirc
[08:13] <Saviq> anpok, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12271399/
[08:13] <mzanetti> hey
[08:14] <Saviq> anpok, yeah, libgtk-3-0 deps on libmirclient8 (>= 0.12.1+15.04.20150324)
[08:15] <Saviq> but that looks fine, >=
[08:15] <Saviq> ah wait, 8, which means previous ABI
[08:16] <Saviq> but apparently there's more like that
[08:17] <Saviq> somehow mir-test-tools, mir-utils 0.14 also depend on libmirclient8 :?
[08:19] <Saviq> it looks like a bunch of things were not rebuilt for 0.14
[08:23] <anpok> hmm the gtk 3.14 that was built with mir-0.14 is not in the stable phone ppa
[08:26] <Saviq> ah wait, qtubuntu-android is fine, the version in the overlay ppa deps on libmirclient9
[08:27] <Saviq> http://i.imgur.com/999gfHq.png
[08:28] <Saviq> but regardless of gtk, ubuntu-touch pulls it in, too
[08:29] <anpok> guess there might be apps using the api version 2 of platform api
[08:30] <Saviq> anpok, yeah, but shouldn't platform 2 be rebuilt against new mir? or has there been incompatibilities?
[08:30] <anpok> i wonder where the gtk3 package was lost.. we did spend some time porting and testing that on vivid
[08:31] <anpok> hm I dont know exactly.. it might leak mir parts
[08:32] <anpok> -might leak +leaks
[08:32] <Saviq> uhm
[08:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, how do you want to split the work for the filters?
[08:39] <cimi> I suppose I can do those components like the previews, shouldn't be too hard
[08:40] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you start trying to do the option selector component while i finish the mock backend for it and when we're both done we can hook it up in a test?
[08:43] <cimi> ok
[08:47] <cimi> tsdgeos, you have a junk branch I can rebase?
[08:47] <cimi> tsdgeos, or we do overlay for now?
[08:49] <tsdgeos> cimi: yes
[08:49] <tsdgeos> cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/filters
[08:56] <Saviq> @unity please don't (re)target MPs to lp:unity8/overlay, we're getting rid of that asap
[08:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: just realized for that branch you'll need a unity-api that doesn't exist outside my computer, will junk push it somewhere
[08:57] <cimi> Saviq, what's the plan? clearing up the overlay review list then merge back?
[08:58] <Saviq> cimi, there's a silo merging trunk (just .po changes) into overlay, that's gonna land on overlay along with a few branches (silo 14)
[08:58] <Saviq> cimi, then we push that to trunk and delete overlay, so anything remaining there will have to be resubmitted against lp:unity8 again
[08:58] <Saviq> cimi, unfortunately there's no easy transition
[08:59] <cimi> Saviq, finishing approving all overlay branches then merge back no?
[08:59] <tsdgeos> cimi: you can use lp:~aacid/unity-api/ignore_filters_15.04
[08:59] <Saviq> cimi, and what about all the new branches in between/
[08:59] <Saviq> and how long do we keep overlay going?
[08:59] <cimi> Saviq, we try to approve quickly :P :D
[09:00] <Saviq> cimi, it's easy enough to just resubmit the remaining ones against trunk
[09:00] <Saviq> you won't even have to rebase, as the history will be the same
[10:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, ok, silo 14 looks sane now
[10:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, but since it's an upgrade of mir into vivid, we'll need to test Mir, too, or employ someone from there to do it
[10:28] <Saviq> hmm but wait, we need qtubuntu and platform-api in there now, too, then
[10:28] <mzanetti> :)
[10:28] <mzanetti> see you on monday then, I guess
[10:29] <mzanetti> just make sure you don't pull in the kernel
[10:30] <Saviq> d'oh
[10:30] <greyback__> Saviq: only if mirclient api changes...O hope
[10:30]  * Saviq checks
[10:31] <Saviq> hmm libmirclient9, so hopefully that's fine
[10:32] <Saviq> mirserver got a bump
[10:33] <greyback__> should only impact qtmir
[10:35] <Saviq> and mirplatform
[10:36] <Saviq> so need to rebuilt qtmir for sure
[10:38]  * Saviq kicks
[10:43] <tsdgeos> cimi: how did the listview for comments end?
[10:43] <cimi> tsdgeos, it sounds to me we will need a redesign anyway
[10:43] <tsdgeos> why?
[10:44] <cimi> tsdgeos, something like collapsed by default
[10:44] <cimi> tsdgeos, are we really going to show 1000+ comments in a single listview?
[10:44] <tsdgeos> why not?
[10:44] <tsdgeos> what does it matter if they are collapesed or not?
[10:45] <cimi> tsdgeos, if our issue is loading, we don't have a problem is they are collapsed by default
[10:46] <tsdgeos> how do you collapse 1000 comments?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> i don't even understand what you mean by collapsed comment
[10:47] <tsdgeos> do you mean not showing them at all
[10:47] <tsdgeos> ?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> and have a "show comments"?
[10:47] <Saviq> greyback__, mzanetti, any ideas to investigate bug #1491566 ? I only have mako and krillin, and have not seen that issue
[10:48] <mzanetti> Saviq, spend a while trying to repro yday... haven't managed
[10:48] <Saviq> *spent
[10:48] <mzanetti> Oh, how I missed that
[10:48]  * Saviq no has time machine to spend time yesterday
[10:48] <Saviq> :D
[10:48] <greyback> so nice to have captain pedantic back
[10:49] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah
[10:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, that just means you didn't fulfil all your responsibilities :P
[10:49] <cimi> tsdgeos, showing like 5 last comments by default
[10:49] <mzanetti> Saviq, hah... fair enough
[10:49] <cimi> tsdgeos, having a button with "show more"
[10:49] <cimi> etc
[10:49] <tsdgeos> cimi: that's a poor man solution
[10:49] <tsdgeos> i can't make a list view
[10:49] <tsdgeos> so i'll just give you 5 items
[10:50] <cimi> tsdgeos, I think what we have now is a poor man solution
[10:50] <tsdgeos> cimi: right, that's why we need a listview instead of a row
[10:50] <cimi> tsdgeos, showing the user an endless list of comments because we didn't plan to limit them
[10:51] <cimi> I don't think people care of reading 1000 reviews, the most recent ones are enough
[10:51] <cimi> I was wondering if there was a design for that, or we just ignored the problem
[10:52] <cimi> tsdgeos, anyway I did some work for limiting the delegate range, and the issue I had was calculating the limits when the listview is placed on screen
[10:52] <cimi> the first value ever I mean
[10:53] <tsdgeos> ok, i disagree with you that we should just drop this optimization and wait for a design change that makes us not care about the performance
[10:53] <tsdgeos> but we have work to do on filters
[10:53] <tsdgeos> i'll open a bug
[10:55] <cimi> tsdgeos, it's not dropped, it's on hold
[10:56] <cimi> tsdgeos, I have some local code, but couldn't figure out how to setup the initial displaymarginbeginning/end
[10:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, greyback, ideas for data to collect off of a phone that went into the no-input state could be useful, I initially thought stacktrace, but unity isn't hung, so not useful
[10:56] <cimi> tsdgeos, looks like Component.onCompleted is not the signal I want
[10:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, greyback, right now I'm suspecting either Qt's input machinery gone mad, or u-s-c unfocusing the session, only two that make sense to me?
[10:57] <cimi> I want the signal that is called when the Item is actually placed on screen in its final position
[10:57] <mzanetti> Saviq, debug prints, IMO
[10:58] <Saviq> yeah, we need a debug mode for that
[10:58] <Saviq> and many more debug calls in our code
[10:58] <cimi> only solution for that might be onYChanged but from outside the preview, which implies adding more API through the loaders just for this use case, and I wasn't happy with that
[10:58] <mzanetti> maybe even something that's auto-enabled in *-proposed images and disabled in stable ones
[10:58] <greyback> Saviq: it is that *nothing* in unity8 is getting events, or just edges?
[10:58] <Saviq> greyback, nothing
[10:58] <greyback> category logging ftw
[10:59] <mzanetti> greyback, the problem with that is, when the issue happens it's not enabled
[10:59] <Saviq> yeah we need to have a discussion about that platform-wide
[10:59] <greyback> mzanetti: sure, but with a small dbus interface we could enable at runtime
[10:59] <mzanetti> fair enough...
[10:59] <Saviq> might still be too late ;)
[10:59] <mzanetti> indeed
[10:59] <Saviq> I was surprised to see how much android logs all the time
[10:59] <mzanetti> yeah... IMO *-proposed should have debug prints enabled
[11:00] <mzanetti> it makes sense... really
[11:00] <Saviq> even stable should
[11:00] <Saviq> some in-memory circular buffer or something
[11:01] <Saviq> that gets read when an issue is reported
[11:01] <Saviq> otherwise we're too late
[11:03] <Saviq> dandrader, we're discussing bug #1491566, any ideas for debugging that?
[11:03] <Saviq> at least we should prepare a debug-enabled silo that people that can reproduce can install it
[11:04] <greyback> Saviq: I'd agree with you, either unity8's surface looses focus in USC, else Qt's input processing gets stuck in a bad state.
[11:05] <greyback> we've had to do filtering to fix up Qt's inputting with Mir's dirty input, perhaps something slips through still and breaks it
[11:14] <dandrader> well, at least on N9 times logging was hampering overall performance
[11:15] <dandrader> iirc
[11:18] <Saviq> sure, we'll need to measure the impact, but maybe we can hold an in-memory log of, say, a megabyte or something, one that's quite verbose, and grab its contents when a problem occurs
[11:18] <Saviq> something like that should not impact performance much
[11:18] <Saviq> with no I/O involved
[11:19] <Saviq> greyback, dandrader, could one of you please start a couple of MPs adding some debug logging to unity8 and u-s-c where you think we'd get most info on where the input goes, please?
[11:19] <dandrader> I think we could enable mir input logging in usc and unity8 (ie, qtmir)
[11:19] <Saviq> please please
[11:20] <dandrader> and qtEventFeeder logging in qtmir as well
[11:20] <dandrader> that should be enough to find out what's happening
[11:20] <Saviq> dandrader, sounds like you just volunteered?
[11:20] <dandrader> Saviq, it's not a matter of MPing, we just have to set the environment variables
[11:21] <Saviq> dandrader, oh even better, can you describe what needs to be done in the bug report?
[11:21] <greyback> dandrader: will some be very noisy though?
[11:21] <dandrader> greyback, it will
[11:21] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: cimi: in GenericScopeView we have this showPageHeader property that noone uses and that complicates the code a bit by introducing a Loader, can i kill it?
[11:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, let me ready why we have that
[11:22] <cimi> read
[11:22] <greyback> Saviq: I fear we can realistically only debug log on every input event, which is very noisy
[11:22] <dandrader> Saviq, ok, I will try out on a device and then post the step-by-step instructions
[11:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, who wrote that?
[11:23] <cimi> and why we did?
[11:23] <dandrader> greyback, the idea is that whoever wants to reproduce this bug will enable the input logging. so I don't see the problem
[11:23] <Saviq> yeah, ↑
[11:23] <Saviq> someone who saw this on his device(s0
[11:24] <greyback> ah in that case, the env vars are exactly what that's for
[11:24] <Saviq> +Shift
[11:24] <Saviq> it should be made into a runtime switch
[11:24] <Saviq> env is so 1980s
[11:24] <greyback> +1
[11:25] <greyback> oh like totallay
[11:35] <tsdgeos> cimi: i did, because we used it another life :D
[11:35] <tsdgeos> food!
[11:45] <cimi> tsdgeos, well, then go for it :)
[13:53] <cimi> tsdgeos, for the filter loader, something around this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12273227/
[13:54] <cimi> tsdgeos, similar to the preview widgets basically
[13:55] <tsdgeos> cimi: yaeh, leave out the triggered for now, not sure how we'll handle that
[13:55] <tsdgeos> and the expanded
[13:55] <cimi> tsdgeos, no expanded?
[13:55] <cimi> tsdgeos, I thought we would have some expanded filters like the calendar and such
[13:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: as far as i understand you either shown them or not
[13:56] <tsdgeos> there's no shown but unexpanded status we have in the preview widgets
[13:58] <tsdgeos> so no need to tell the inner widget if it's expanded, no?
[13:59] <cimi> maybe :)
[13:59] <cimi> tsdgeos, or we can leave it like showPageHeader for another life :)
[14:00] <tsdgeos> just don't add it for now
[14:00] <tsdgeos> we'll add it if we need
[14:04] <mterry> What are the current instructions for pocket desktop?  rc+proposed + Silo 0 + external hardware?
[14:04] <mterry> Saviq, ^
[14:04] <Saviq> mterry, silo0 isn't in a good state afaik, and it won't get better
[14:04] <Saviq> greyback, ↑?
[14:05] <greyback> mterry: best instructions are on the last pages of https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtDf3MXVrTaW3xfPNUALYmKTNmTHxBAAtTmgnpRX-E4/edit#
[14:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, why you not in #ubuntu-mir? ;)
[14:07] <mzanetti> Saviq, dunno... didn't feel the urge :D
[14:07] <mzanetti> sometimes my bounces forgets all the channels and I have ro rejoin
[14:07] <Saviq> dumb bouncer
[14:07] <mzanetti> now I'm in #ubuntu-mir?  :D
[14:07] <Saviq> must've been a back-street boxer before and the brainz not working that well anymore
[14:15] <mterry> Whoops, got disconnected...  will repeat last messages just in case.  Ignore if you already saw them  :)
 greyback, ok, thanks.  That still suggests silo 0, so I'm uncertain how testable that is.  But it might get me somewhere
[14:15] <mterry>  Saviq, actually, do you happen to know which bits of silo0 aren't landed yet?  maybe I can just build those myself
[14:15] <greyback> mterry: why are you trying this?
[14:16] <greyback> it's just kept alive for demos, we're working on landing the bits in it properly
[14:17] <mterry> greyback, I wanted to help pick off some bugs, but just wanted to recreate setup first
[14:47] <dandrader> Saviq, your script tells me lp:unity8/overlay has a bogus tag
[14:47] <dandrader> Saviq, do you confirm that?
[14:47] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah I saw that, it decides it's bogus locally
[14:47] <Saviq> dandrader, but it's fine remotely
[14:48] <Saviq> and well, it's really bzr that's saying that
[14:48] <Saviq> dandrader, trunk has the same
[14:48] <dandrader> Saviq, so I should just ignore it, I guess?
[14:48] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah
[14:55] <dandrader> tsdgeos, got an easy one for you https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/stabilizeShellTestAgain/+merge/270188
[14:57] <tsdgeos> cool, will do on monday, early EOD for me today, going to the mountains for the weekend
[14:57] <tsdgeos> with forecast of rain
[14:57] <tsdgeos> :/
[14:57] <dandrader> tsdgeos, hmm, montains. sounds great
[14:57] <dandrader> minus the wheather forecast, naturally :)
[14:58] <tsdgeos> oh well it's 50% chance rain
[14:58] <tsdgeos> hoope we're lucky
[14:58]  * tsdgeos waves
[15:00] <Saviq> ltinkl, is it on purpose that reboot button is grey now?
[15:03] <ltinkl> Saviq: what branch are you running?
[15:03] <ltinkl> Saviq: but generall yes, it was a request from design IIRC
[15:04] <Saviq> ltinkl, I'm testing silo 14 which has your global shortcuts branch in it
[15:27] <dandrader> mzanetti, ping
[15:27] <mzanetti> dandrader, hey
[15:28] <dandrader> mzanetti, so greyback wants me to move the cursor image provider (and probably some other related stuff will have to go along with it, will see while I'm at it) from qtmir to unity8
[15:28] <dandrader> mzanetti, should it go to Unity.Utils or own module?
[15:29] <dandrader> I'm not sure what's the best or preferred option
[15:29] <mzanetti> dandrader, not sure either, but I would probably go with Utils... I feel we're having a bit too many plugins already
[15:29] <mzanetti> dandrader, had a discussion about this a while back with some people but we didn't really reach a conclusion
[15:30] <dandrader> mzanetti, which raises the questions: what's worse? a big module or several smaller ones? (I don't have the answer)
[15:30]  * greyback likes lots of little modules. Is modular :)
[15:30] <mzanetti> greyback, I am a bit concerned about loading times etc, but in general yes, modular is good
[15:30] <mzanetti> greyback, but then seeing that we have a bunch of plugins that only have like 2 lines of actual code ...
[15:31] <mzanetti> dandrader, you might want a MouseUtils? I assume we'll need those edgepush areas etc soon
[15:32] <mzanetti> although they could go to Gestures too probably...
[15:32] <greyback> I can't say without having some numbers on the topic. the searching the filesystem and symbol resolution does have a little cost, dunno if it's much in the grand scheme of things tho
[15:32] <mzanetti> greyback, it's not much... but once we have 100 plugins it's 100 times not much
[15:33] <greyback> which still may not be much ;)
[15:34] <greyback> I have no idea of the perf impact
[15:34] <mzanetti> dandrader, actually, use it's own module... makes it easier to reuse without pulling unity specific utils
[15:38] <mzanetti> dandrader, I just came by this: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-mousearea.html#cursorShape-prop
[15:38] <mzanetti> dandrader, will this be supported?
[15:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, yes
[15:38] <mzanetti> awesomes
[15:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, but unfortunately not enough for us
[15:38] <mzanetti> really? what's missing?
[15:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, Qt's enumeration doesn't contain all the 8 different shapes we use for window resize
[15:38] <mzanetti> lol
[15:39] <mzanetti> had no idea it's that many
[15:39] <greyback> we can always define extra enums on top
[15:39] <mzanetti> can we extend?
[15:39] <mzanetti> doesn't sound hard to patch in, and we're in a better position of upstreaming things lately
[15:39] <dandrader> mzanetti, so had to add a Mir.cursorName API for that. but the two coexist fine
[15:39] <dandrader> mzanetti, thing is, Qt is all about multiplatform
[15:40] <mzanetti> sure...
[15:40] <dandrader> mzanetti, so I don't know if all those extra cursors make sense in other platoforms
[15:40] <mzanetti> but that doesn't mean only supporting the smalles common set
[15:40] <dandrader> mzanetti, might be Xcursor specific
[15:41] <dandrader> mzanetti, right
[15:44] <dandrader> greyback, about the extra enums, I looked at this possibility, but looking at Qt source code, on how it handles the cursorShape value, it doesn't seem possible
[15:44] <greyback> :(
[15:44] <greyback> I guessed it was just a number in the end
[15:45] <mzanetti> greyback, it's not that easy to register them for QML etc
[15:45] <greyback> mzanetti: they're still just numbers to qml tho, no?
[15:46] <mzanetti> greyback, right... you sure can use integers, but that's not really nice... if extended it really should be additional Qt.CursorShapeBlabla things
[15:47] <mzanetti> no?
[15:47] <greyback> well if we're extending, we should use our own namespace. Unity.CursorSomething ?
[15:48] <mzanetti> not if extending upstream... otherwise yes, but I thought that's what daniel does
[15:50] <greyback> true
[15:53] <mzanetti> gotta go
[15:53] <mzanetti> see you all on monday
[15:53] <mzanetti> o/
[18:40] <dandrader> greyback, still around?
[18:46] <mterry> Are bluetooth and mako supposed to be friends?  My BT keyboard isn't working so hot


[02:56] <cmaloney> Evening
[03:11] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-RoSzsEKA
[03:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rZ963 - Animals as Leaders, Tosin Abasi plays "Wave of Babies" on EMGtv - YouTube
[13:47] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:01] <rick_h__> party
[14:01] <brousch> yes
[14:02] <brousch> The boy is at LEGO camp today. Should be interesting
[14:02] <rick_h__> very cool
[14:25] <cmaloney> Just had a bookie moment.
[14:26] <cmaloney> Have this hairy search string that I wasn't sure how to put into my recurring tasks for my GTD system.
[14:26] <cmaloney> but there's a place where I can put this link without having it get borked: https://bmark.us/craig/redirect/55b559f4ac6441
[14:26] <cmaloney> ++
[14:27] <rick_h__> hah cool
[21:50] <cmaloney> Afternoon. :)