[01:19] <slavik> what are the proper packages to install for compiz fusion on gutsy?
[01:19] <SWAT> slavik, it's installed by default
[01:19] <SWAT> compiz-gnome etc.
[01:19] <slavik> not here :)
[01:19] <slavik> but what is the top meta package?
[01:22] <ReL1K> hmmm on the compiz subject, if i go to appereance and hit effects, says desktop effects could not be enabled
[01:22] <tekhawk> i know that most people wont use gutsy for servers till its final but has anyone had bind working properly
[01:23] <_sidd> Ah... so it isn't working anymore?
[01:24] <tekhawk> i havnt got it to work since installing gutsy
[01:24] <tekhawk> ive been running gutsy for 2 weeks
[01:24] <ReL1K> _sidd, right
[01:24] <slavik> how different is compiz-fusion from beryl?
[01:25] <tekhawk> slavik, it has all of beryls features and all of compiz features
[01:25] <tekhawk> slavik, the idea is no more plugins being made for one or other they are all for the same program again
[01:25] <slavik> I meant as far beryl-manager
[01:26] <tekhawk> slavik, beryl-manager is much better then the current config editor i think lol
[01:26] <slavik> I meant the applet part
[01:26] <_sidd> ReL1K: That sucks... I was hoping it would be fixed with these updates.
[01:26] <tekhawk> is there a ubuntu server channel?
[01:26] <ReL1K> hell, i was hoping it would continue to work....compiz is out now :P
[01:29] <knix> whoa, hello gnome-appearance-properties
[01:30] <tekhawk> knix, LOL that broke on me lastnight when i updated
[01:30] <tekhawk> knix, is it fixed now
[01:30] <knix> heh
[01:30] <knix> when did it get fixed?
[01:30] <knix> I did a dist-upgrade this morning
[01:30] <tekhawk> knix, ) :
[01:31] <knix> Oh, I thought you said it is fixed now
[01:31] <knix> Yea, I dunno =P
[01:31] <tekhawk> knix, *&^% well i guess ill live with it for now just glad someone else had issue
[01:31] <knix> It works fine
[01:31] <knix> I don't even notice it
[01:31] <knix> But then I look at system-monitor
[01:32] <knix> it takes up cpu real good :)
[01:32] <tekhawk> knix, mine seemsed to want to wrap around 3-4 viewpoints
[01:32] <knix> I dunno
[01:32] <knix> it seems to work fine for me, it's just taking 100% cpu
[01:33] <tekhawk> knix, bummer guess i should report that bug tonight then
[01:34] <tekhawk> knix, hey if you like to get themes and stuff the art manager programs nice lol maybe everyone knows about it but i just used it for first time last night makes life easier lol just moved from suse to ubuntu last month so still learning new stuff for this distro
[01:34] <ReL1K> anyone else got a t61?
[01:35] <knix> art manager?
[01:36] <knix> I don't use metacity so themes are kindauseless to me
[01:36] <knix> I just use it for changing my background
[01:36] <xtknight> i am aware of the alternate cd, but by any method is it possible to mount a RAID volume and install using ubiquity-installer?  would modprobing mdadm be enough for /dev/md0 to show up *somewhere*?
[01:37] <knix> ReL1K: What about it?
[01:37] <ShackJack>  Any ideas on why my desktop locks up when clicking QUIT button?
[01:38] <tekhawk> knix, i use it for icons backgrounds splash screens and gmd themes gdm themes more then splashes the splash screens dont like compiz much
[01:38] <tekhawk> ShackJack, no but your the second person ive seen ask that today
[01:39] <knix> I guess I just don'tchange my appearance settings much :)
[01:39] <ShackJack> tekhawk: I don't suppose you know the function/app called when the button is clicked, no?
[01:39] <knix> I only go in to change my gdm theme when a dist-upgrade resets it :P
[01:40] <tekhawk> ShackJack, nope sorry
[01:40] <ReL1K> knix: can't get compiz to work after updates early today, thinking the intel xorg updates not sure
[01:40] <ShackJack> Evidentally it's magic...
[01:41] <tekhawk> ShackJack, i know how you can find out though
[01:41] <ShackJack> tekhawk: How is that?
[01:41] <tekhawk> ShackJack, try running the gnome-panel from terminal you should see the message when it calls the applet that quits
[01:41] <ShackJack> Hmmm.. now why didn't I think of that... will give it go ;)
[01:42] <tekhawk> ShackJack, or load the applet trough terminal not sure how to do that though but first idea might give you the applet command to do that
[01:42] <SeveredCross> Anyone know if Firefox is known broken?
[01:42] <SeveredCross> I get an error on startup about some strings and my bookmarks and plugins and stuff is all empty, though the files still exist in the profile.
[01:43] <ShackJack> tekhawk: When I kill panel it relaunches - how do I make it stay dead>
[01:43] <tekhawk> SeveredCross, on amd64 platform it was working this morning
[01:43] <SeveredCross> :-\
[01:44] <tekhawk> ShackJack, hmm i did killall gnome-panel lastnight and couldnt get it to load again had to reboot lol not sure you might look into session options ive only been on gnome 2 weeks since i just moved from opensuse 2 weeks ago
[01:44] <ShackJack> tekhawk: Yeah, it won't start now - sheese... this is way too much effort...
[01:45] <tekhawk> ShackJack, you think thats bad try compiling AWN dear god that thing uses every Lib known to man and doesnt put the lib it makes in to a lib folder on gutsy i had to make and move that file myself.....
[01:46] <SeveredCross> I guess I'll file a bug. :-\
[01:46] <darrend> not sure which one, but a recent upgrade seems to have prevented the brightness control buttons working on my laptop.  Anyone know what might have done this?
[01:47] <ReL1K> anyone else having problems with compiz?
[01:47] <tekhawk> darrend, might have been the xorg input one
[01:47] <tekhawk> SeveredCross, i have like 2-5 of those i have to file tonight when i see how many are still broken
[01:48] <darrend> ReL1K: lots :)
[01:48] <tekhawk> right time to get going got to close shop before i had to church later everyone
[01:49] <darrend> tekhawk: thx.. known issue?
[01:49] <ReL1K> darrend what are you using?
[01:49] <darrend> ReL1K: how do you mean?
[01:50] <ReL1K> hardware?
[01:50] <tekhawk> darrend, no just that is the package that controls keyboards i think so that would likly be the issue or a binding that isnt set anymor
[01:50] <darrend> ReL1K: nvidia
[01:54] <tekhawk> espeaking of compiz anyone know if the screen saver plugin is back yet?
[01:59] <winbond> is it true that most applications do not work in kde4?
[01:59] <pwnguin> i havent used kde4 at all, but i do know one of the core developers for ubuntu likes to close bugs because there's too many to deal with
[02:00] <pwnguin> "there are 350 open bugs, 750 if you include wontfix and invalid"
[02:02] <SeveredCross> Er, why not close wontfix and invalid?
[02:02] <pwnguin> well, i havent reviewed these bugs in particular
[02:03] <verb3k_> guys where can I download the latest gutsy ISO (not the tribes)?
[02:03] <pwnguin> but i dont think a lack of submitter response makes a bug not exist
[02:03] <pwnguin> as was stated on the list
[02:04] <pwnguin> 350 open bugs is the same thing as 700 bugs, half of which you wont fix
[02:07] <verb3k_> guys where can I download the latest gutsy ISO snapshot? (not the tribes)
[02:07] <pwnguin> ...
[02:08] <pwnguin> the tribes are the only published iso snapshots
[02:08] <Jordan_U> verb3k_, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:09] <Jordan_U> pwnguin, No, this is an open source project, everything is "published"
[02:09] <pwnguin> Jordan_U: for some reason, i thought the images were only built at tribes
[02:09] <pwnguin> instead of daily
[02:09] <pwnguin> i stand corrected
[02:09] <verb3k_> Jordan_U,  Thanks Jordan
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> is compiz w/ AIGLX working at the moment? won't start correctly for me.
[02:10] <pwnguin> LeeJunFan: which video card
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> ATI 9700 with the open drivers, worked on feisty.
[02:10] <Jordan_U> pwnguin, Tribes are just supposed to have fewer installation bugs and be milestones
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> glx is working fine.
[02:10] <pwnguin> hmm.
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> pwnguin: just checked Xorg log - aiglx is loading fine.
[02:11] <pwnguin> LeeJunFan: im not really an expert on this =(
[02:12] <pwnguin> but they seem to be in the process of weeding out which chips don't work fully with compiz
[02:13] <pwnguin> LeeJunFan: but you get metacity instead of compiz?
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> pwnguin: hrm, maybe it's working, I notice now I have 100 desktops on kde. hehe
[02:14] <pwnguin> ok. back to wiimoteness for me then
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> okay, any idea what the compiz config program is called?
[02:15] <pwnguin> Jordan_U: i picked up a bluetooth usb device
[02:15] <pwnguin> LeeJunFan: there's a program called "compizconfig-settings-manager". it's in universe though
[02:18] <winbond> pwnguin, where can i see the list of current kde4 bugs?
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> pwnguin: got it - thanks. Working now.
[02:20] <ReL1K> LeeJunFan: having issues with compiz myself
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> now, I've just got to get rid of the white outline around kicker and menus.
[02:20] <MukiEX> Anyone have a GeForce 8600? I can't get any compositor to work (Xubuntu, compiz) w/o it restarting X
[02:21] <MukiEX> Clarification : I can't get any compositor to work and run a 3D program w/o it restarting X.
[02:28] <TerraMaster> I keep on getting the error in amrok: Xine output peramiters busy any help?
[02:30] <TerraMaster> I mean amarok
[02:30] <VousDeux> well, I was a little disappointed to see that the updates today did not fix my synaptics shared memory problem :(
[02:30] <VousDeux> I put my two-cents worth in the bug report
[02:32] <TerraMaster> oh my god! IM GETTING SWAMPED IN AMAROKAPPS!
[02:32] <TerraMaster> IM DROWNING!
[02:34] <TerraMaster> excuse me whilst I restarth..... I think my current config with amarok and the fact that all my saongs are repetedly being bounced by the error message is cusing my comp to go haywire
[02:35] <VousDeux> does anyone know anything about why my wifi would stop working after a peroid of inactivity?
[02:36] <TerraMaster> Ive got in my system manager about 3 full pages of amarokapp and more coming and firefox is fading in and out form the shady "no responce" display
[02:36] <TerraMaster> and to top it all off.....
[02:37] <TerraMaster> IM BORED!
[02:38] <VousDeux> !wifi
[02:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:41] <VousDeux> I usually can get it going again if I disable/enable it, then reattach, but I found that if I am running on battery, it will disconnect about an hour before the battery is dead, but I can't reconnect even if I reboot.
[02:42] <ShackJack> Well, I figured out why my GNOME session was quasi-freezing when clicking Quit button (in case anyone shows up with similar problem) - I had the power manager daemon unchecked in the startup sessions which was apparently causing the difficulty.
[02:44] <yaccin> hmmm konqueror doesnt work (for webbrowsing), irc works, apt works, lynx works, jabber works, icq seems to work (nobody online?) msn doesnt work
[02:44] <yaccin> currently installing firefox...
[02:55] <ReL1K> man this lack of compiz sucks
[02:55] <ReL1K> not as cool :P
[02:56] <ReL1K> is there a list of updates that were done today?
[02:56] <ReL1K> start rolling back
[02:56] <yellowChicken> what's the target release date for gutsy?
[02:56] <crdlb> ReL1K, do you have a specific error?
[02:56] <pwnguin> /usr/share/doc/compiz/changelog.Debian.gz has the details
[02:57] <ReL1K> crdlb: not sure how to produce an error on this one, compiz is enabled and running, desktop effects are on, and compiz isn't working..it worked fine earlier today and for the previous couple weeks
[02:57] <ReL1K> just stopped working after i think the xorg intel update
[02:57] <ShackJack> ReL1K: Gutsy updated borked my nvidia binary driver ;) I miss Compiz too :)
[02:57] <crdlb> ReL1K, run compiz --replace
[02:57] <crdlb> in a terminal
[02:58] <ReL1K> crdlb: tried that man, it flashes and looks like it starts, doesn't error out, and nothing
[02:58] <ReL1K> actually got an error
[02:58] <ReL1K> grandr
[02:58] <ReL1K> erm
[02:59] <ReL1K> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[02:59] <ReL1K> Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found
[02:59] <ReL1K> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[02:59] <crdlb> interesting
[02:59] <ShackJack> ReL1K: What card do you have?
[02:59] <ReL1K> intel
[02:59] <crdlb> lspci|grep VGA
[02:59] <ShackJack> Hmmm...
[02:59] <ReL1K> gm965
[03:00] <crdlb> hmm ISTR a reason for that
[03:00] <crdlb> +T="$T 8086:2982 8086:2992 8086:29a2 8086:2a02 8086:29a12"  # intel 965 (xv video problem)
[03:01] <ReL1K> hmm
[03:01] <crdlb> ReL1K, LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz.real --replace ccp & gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[03:02] <ReL1K> said fatal glx_ext_texture from pixmap is missing
[03:02] <ReL1K> and now i dont have banners around my windows :P
[03:02] <crdlb> the LIBGL... should have prevented that
[03:03] <pwnguin> it was an and
[03:03] <ReL1K> fixed
[03:03] <ReL1K> nice crdlb
[03:03] <ReL1K> thanks
[03:03] <ReL1K> outstanding
[03:03] <pwnguin> ReL1K: play a video in totem real quick
[03:04] <ReL1K> on it..
[03:07] <pwnguin> ReL1K: did it work?
[03:07] <pwnguin> there should be several "examples" to use
[03:08] <pwnguin> of nelson mandela or desmond tutu, i forget
[03:08] <ReL1K> downloading a trailer
[03:08] <crdlb> it won't unless you use EXA iirc
[03:08] <pwnguin> ReL1K: the point was, it likely wont work
[03:09] <pwnguin> ReL1K: which is why the card was blacklisted
[03:09] <crdlb> that's hardly a reason to stop using compiz though :P
[03:09] <pwnguin> ok
[03:09] <pwnguin> how about, "my fullscreen gl game doesn't  work"
[03:09] <crdlb> I understand them blacklisting it though
[03:09] <hydrogen> whats up with the cups web interface in gutsy?
[03:09] <hydrogen> its giving me all sorts of 404's
[03:10] <crdlb> hydrogen, it's always been crippled
[03:10] <ReL1K> video worked
[03:10] <crdlb> ReL1K, in totem?
[03:10] <pwnguin> in totem?
[03:10] <hydrogen> it wasn't in feisty
[03:10] <crdlb> because it *will* work in mplayer for some odd reason
[03:10] <crdlb> although not transformed
[03:10] <pwnguin> because mplayer uses gl by default, not xv
[03:11] <crdlb> no
[03:11] <crdlb> it works with xv in mplayer
[03:11] <pwnguin> orly
[03:11] <crdlb> at least it did on feisty
[03:11] <pwnguin> the suggestions i saw on the bug that lead to the blacklisting suggested switching gstreamer to gl
[03:12] <crdlb> which still doesn't work really well
[03:12] <crdlb> the best fix involves using the compiz video playback plugin
[03:12] <crdlb> but nobody ever wrote a plugin for gstreamer to use it :<
[03:13] <hydrogen> ugh
[03:13] <hydrogen> now nothing will print
[03:13] <pwnguin> well im happy
[03:13] <pwnguin> i got my wiimote to work as a mouse
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> nice
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> bluetooth is great
[03:15] <pwnguin> cant seem to get the ir camera to show up though
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> except for a2dpd and stereo phones... works, but skips with new kernel
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> i mean, the kernel is great for power management... i get longer run times with gutsy
[03:19] <ReL1K> totem didnt work
[03:19] <ReL1K> fyi
[03:19] <ReL1K> works in mplayer
[03:20] <crdlb> right
[03:20] <crdlb> that's how it's always been
[03:20] <ReL1K> gotchya
[03:20] <ReL1K> alright guys out for a little bit, thanks alot
[03:20] <ReL1K> for the help
[03:24] <hydrogen> whats up with the cups web interface in gutsy?
[03:25] <pwnguin> ReL1K: i imagine that command will have to be run every time, if your chipset's blacklisted
[03:40] <XsteelWolf> anyone using intel 4965agn card?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> hydrogen, i'm sure its got one or 2 more patches before its ready
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> just my guess
[03:47] <hydrogen> nomasteryoda: what do you mean?
[03:47] <hydrogen> nomasteryoda: why does it need patches at all?
[03:47] <hydrogen> nomasteryoda: its worked fine since cups 1.1
[03:47] <XsteelWolf> Anyone knows how how to configure wireless on Knetwork Manager? After i connect to a network that it appears on the list,no popup for me to keyin wpa-psk key, and it always hang at 28% and then knetwork manager will just crash
[03:50] <Xero> I like toast.
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> hydrogen, updates i mean
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> i'm sure it used to...
[03:51] <hydrogen> nomasteryoda: that doesn't answer my question.
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> i know
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> i'm just another ubuntu geek who is using gutsy
[03:54] <hydrogen> then don't take a stab at an answer you do not know
[03:54] <hydrogen> its dangerous territory
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> but won't kill anyone that I know of... unless the printer fell on someone's head I supose
[04:02] <hydrogen> hmm
[04:02] <hydrogen> [ 1296.996000]  audit(1190165084.232:34): operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" name="/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/help.cgi" pid=13156 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"
[04:02] <hydrogen> that looks related to it
[04:03] <hydrogen> ugh
[04:04] <hydrogen> I hate linux printing
[04:04] <hydrogen> it just worked
[04:04] <hydrogen> without me changing a thing
[04:07] <fulio> is anyone usong aptonCD?
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> anyone else here have issue with firefox and emerald?
[04:33] <ohsoferrety> Hey: Anyone know if there are any flaws in tonight's Gutsy update?
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> i love that ... i have a dollar bet there are
[04:34] <ohsoferrety> Yeah...last night's update was a little annoying.
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> the firefox one got me...
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> then again maybe its just me
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> firefox not getting along with emerald
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> but my virtualbox i got working...
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> took a small tweak to the config file
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> and a module build, much simpler than vmware-workstation was for fesity,breezy,dapper,hoary
[04:37] <Hobbsee> apt doesnt segfault today.
[04:37] <crdlb> heh
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> that is good
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> very good
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> i just keep my system on during these times of "turmoil"
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> =D
[04:44] <crackerbox> after i chroot into my test environment... how can i change from the super user to a normal user 'owner'?
[04:45] <benanzo> anyone else experiencing long hang times on gnome-terminal, gedit?
[04:48] <user01> how do i format an external hard drive in gutsy?
[04:48] <benanzo> gparted
[04:48] <benanzo> sudo apt-get install gparted
[04:49] <user01> oh it will be another hour and a half before the updates are done loading before i can install it
[04:49] <user01> benanzo: thought i could fdisk or something
[04:49] <benanzo> yes, or just run parted
[04:50] <crackerbox> after i chroot into my test environment... how can i change from the super user to a normal user 'owner'?
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> user01, you could run cfdisk
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> it works pretty good
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> cfdisk --help
[04:51] <benanzo> crackerbox: "su username"
[04:51] <crackerbox> i get "bash: /dev/null: Permission denied"
[04:53] <user01> how do i figure out which device is my external hard drive?  it is mounted under media/New Volume right now
[04:53] <user01> all i can figure out
[04:54] <arooni> has anyone installed the latest 249 updates?  does everything work OK? (gutsy)
[04:54] <user01> arooni: i am right now
[04:54] <RAOF> arooni: Works For Me(tm)
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> so far so good.. but no reboot on my laptop or desktop today
[04:54] <user01> arooni: i havent restarted yet though
[04:54] <user01> arooni: like it said to do
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> user01, fdisk -l
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> sudo fdisk -l
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> will list all fixed disks
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> and their /dev
[04:55] <benanzo> I'm experiencing random hangs after fresh install of tribe 5 and immediate upgrade to current
[04:55] <arooni> RAOF, have u restarted?
[04:55] <RAOF> arooni: Yup.
[04:55] <benanzo> sometimes to desktop takes several minutes to load,
[04:55] <user01> nomasteryoda: cool thanks
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> np
[04:55] <benanzo> gnome-terminal and gedit hang for a few before opening
[04:56] <user01> nomasteryoda: fdisk -l still listed external drive
[04:56] <arooni> can someone tell me how i can combine the 67GB of free space i have into my existing 20gb or so partition which is /home?  i cant resize via gparted.... i'm guessing cuz the mounted partition would be affected by the resize?
[04:56] <user01> nomasteryoda: sudo fdisk -l showed laptop files
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> but not the /dev/sd?
[04:56] <arooni> the free space + 20 gb are right next each other physically on the disk
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> user01, you using usb?
[04:56] <user01> nomasteryoda: yes
[04:56] <benanzo> crackerbox: sorry, I can't get that to work in chroot
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> lsusb
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> see what it shows
[04:57] <user01> nomasteryoda: Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0d49:7212 Maxtor
[04:57] <benanzo> anyone else experiencing random app freezes?  specificall gedit/gnome-terminal
[04:57] <benanzo> ?
[04:58] <knix> My font in firefox seems to always be +1 to my gnome fonts
[04:58] <knix> Is there a way to fix this?
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> benanzo, to confirm, create a new user account and login as that... if no freezes, then your profile would be suspect... as in the .gnome settings
[04:58] <user01> nomasteryoda: /dev/sdb1  1 38913   312568641    7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> just my offer of a solution from past experience
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> user01, ok
[04:59] <benanzo> k, brb
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> so that is the drive
[04:59] <user01> nomasteryoda: yep
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> well, then... fdisk /dev/sdb
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> err, cfdisk should show it listed
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> i mean
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> cfdisk /dev/sdb should show the partition on it
[05:02] <user01> nomasteryoda: i dont have to put sdb1?
[05:02] <user01> nomasteryoda: and i unmount it first right?
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> er, yes
[05:03] <benanzo|mobile> I have same problem with new user
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> otherwise it will not let you format
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> so confirmed as some bugger then it seems
[05:04] <user01> nomasteryoda: ok ill see how many hours it takes to format
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> i would suspect a gtk issue.... but again, wild guess based on experience
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> no, minutes
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> linux will do it fast
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> unless you need lowlevel formatting... which takes ages
[05:05] <benanzo> maybe a theme problem..   I'll have a look
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> ah, you using compiz?
[05:05] <user01> user01: does cfdisk have to be run sudo?
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> any such damaging activity does
[05:06] <benanzo> yes, CF
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> ah, and have emerald enabled?
[05:06] <benanzo> not emerald
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> my firefox won't start with that turned on
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> but compiz is ok
[05:07] <user01> nomasteryoda: do i want fat32 or fat32 lba?
[05:07] <benanzo> I just figured it out...
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> what size is the drive?
[05:07] <user01> nomasteryoda: 320 GB
[05:07] <benanzo> Clearlooks GTK theme breaks it...switch to ClearlooksClassic to fix
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:07] <benanzo> Human GTK is broken as well
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> lba ... hang on
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> lba
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> i use ext3 on my external drives..... just because I can and i can put any size file onto it without issue
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> whereas windows will puke if it goes over 4.?gb on a fat32 drive
[05:09] <user01> nomasteryoda: because it is over 8Gb?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> at least   it always has to me
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> exactly
[05:10] <benanzo> vfat has 4GB filesize cap
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> so you will be held to that size
[05:11] <user01> nomasteryoda: well i cant think of anything that would be more than 4GB, even dvds are broken doen in to vobs
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> what I do is put the Ext driver on windows systems i really need to access the drive... or just mount and share on my network via samba
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> kool
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> its simple and fast to format that way
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> and quite compatible
[05:12] <user01> right but if i drag it somewhere where there are only windoze computers and i dont have admin rights . . .
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> i know that was what i mean... fat32
[05:13] <user01> i like xfs the best if it could only be mounted on every computer
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> is what you need
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:13] <user01> fat 32 lba you mean
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:13] <user01> k bye bye ntfs partition
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> like i said, it will take a few min
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> because it only writes the partition table, not the whole disk
[05:15] <user01> nomasteryoda: wow that was fast . . . i tried to format on a windoze computer took an hour and at 99% said he disk was too large
[05:17] <user01> nomasteryoda: how do i change the disk label?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> ah, now that is simpler with Gparted
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> i forget how to do on cli
[05:21] <Poet_with_a_Gun> can some one link me the latest tribes release? the daily ISo I got a couple days ago is too big for a standard CD
[05:22] <Poet_with_a_Gun> I extracted the ISO and deleted all the windows garbage to get it down under 700 megs...maybe I can just copy all that data to my disk now.
[05:23] <h1st0> Poet_with_a_Gun: I just sent you a link to the download page in #ubuntu
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> if that is in a folder, you might have to remake the iso image file
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> there ya go
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> that will be better
[05:24] <Poet_with_a_Gun> oh okay
[05:24] <Poet_with_a_Gun> thanks I was over when ya posted it
[05:25] <user01> nomasteryoda: hmmm i wrote it out, and then it mounted the device as ntfs in gnome
[05:25] <user01> if i open again in cfdisk it says fat32 lba
[05:26] <Poet_with_a_Gun> ah crap my cdr is making donkey like noises
[05:27] <user01> maybe reboot ubuntu?
[05:27] <BHSPitMonkey> Poet_with_a_Gun, perhaps Shrek is in the drive?
[05:27] <Poet_with_a_Gun> Sounds like it.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> user01, no hang on
[05:27] <BHSPitMonkey> I'd check that first.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> user01, disconnected the usb cable?
[05:27] <user01> nomasteryoda: unmount and disconnect?
[05:27] <Poet_with_a_Gun> I've had a rough go with cd burning under ubuntu :/
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> then reconnnect
[05:27] <BHSPitMonkey> Poet_with_a_Gun, crappy drive?
[05:28] <user01> nomasteryoda: yeah still shows ntfs
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> BHSPitMonkey, i would bet not... i have had issues with my dvd and cd burners
[05:28] <user01> nomasteryoda: like nothing happened to it
[05:29] <Poet_with_a_Gun> nah this is drive number 2 it's been wonky on.
[05:29] <Poet_with_a_Gun> AT least this time it says it's doing something
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> er, ok then try the extreme...hang on
[05:29] <Poet_with_a_Gun> or sounds like it.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i just had it
[05:30] <Poet_with_a_Gun> I got WoW running under linux and it's great, I got everything I had on windows, or better replacements, I got wifi, I got bit torrent, I got everything else (Haven't tried hooking up my printer). If I Could get my vid out to work on my card and cd/dvd burning I'd never have to go back to Bill again
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> i forgot about resetting the drive label... which means you will have to remake the partition again, but no biggy
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/01/editing-fat32-partition-labels-using-mtools/
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> that is the relabel part...
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> now for the fun part....
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> mlabel
[05:32] <Poet_with_a_Gun> I don't know why but I'm hoping GG will magically make all this better, i will seriously rejoice in a field of wild flowers if it does
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> well, folks ... gotta crash
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> 11:33 pm here
[05:34] <tritium> nomasteryoda: wear your seat belt, then
[05:34] <Poet_with_a_Gun> I just go for the helmet
[05:34] <Poet_with_a_Gun> and hope the airbags still in there
[05:35] <Poet_with_a_Gun> It's my birthday and apparently I'm expected to spend it with the people I love, thanks for the url and the support gents
[05:35] <Poet_with_a_Gun> and ladies if applicable.
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> nice new kernel tonight..
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> Arrgh, Poet_with_a_Gun birthday, be happy to ye!!
[05:36] <Poet_with_a_Gun> Why thank you
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> also INternational Talk Like a Pirate Day... if you mean 19th
[05:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> I've told my kids at 28 I don't get the spanks, they do. So now I gotta go spread the love around
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> Oh no, the 18, but I'll keep taht in mind tmorrow me hearty!
[05:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> Bye :D
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> /logout
[05:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> *sigh*
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> '/quit
[05:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> (I'm just gonna click the x)
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:39] <user01> nomasteryoda: so i have to install mtools?
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> errum... yes
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> if you can wait on the gutsy updates, then you can just do all with gparted
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> nn
[05:46] <user01> nomasteryoda: oh ok
[05:46] <user01> nomasteryoda: it is almost done
[05:48] <user01> nomasteryoda: so is it actually formatted right now as fat32 but it is just not being mounted properly without a label?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> not the same label.. this label is like the one windows puts on ... the "signature" that says this is a fat32 drive or ntfs
[05:55] <user01> nomasteryoda: oh so just delete partition in gparted and try again?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> have it remove all partitions .. yea
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> that should do it...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> i used partiton magic back in the day
[05:56] <user01> texlive full takes awhile to install . . .
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> and it magically lost my data .. but did wipe the signature out...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:57] <user01> i suppose i will neve use mongolian package but u never know
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:58] <user01> nomasteryoda: maybe ill want to try throat singing one day
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ya could be there tomorrow if you were so fortunate
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:58] <user01> i joined the lamest LUG group out there
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> with the clicks too
[05:58] <user01> but the closest one
[05:59] <user01> i walked into the LUG meeting all excited and they were all on internet explorer
[05:59] <user01> i walked passed the hall twice thinking it was a windows class
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> holy mother... man
[06:00] <Matir> where is this lug group?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> ie4slinux or some such works pretty good and lets you run 3 versions...
[06:00] <user01> apparently the president could get his linux computer to work with the projector
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> good for dev work
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> could not
[06:00] <user01> could not sorry
[06:01] <user01> it was free pizza at least and i had my thinkpad with ubuntu at least :)
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> been there, done that...
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> wish we had money in our lug.. i'm president and we take no cash
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> only books from pearson education...
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> we do reviews
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> very few, but we are trying
[06:02] <user01> im going to bring my vga to ntsc pal converter next time to see if converting the video signal will work
[06:02] <pwnguin> my LUG is a student org, so we get some accomodations from university
[06:02] <pwnguin> like a private space for lunches on thursdays
[06:02] <user01> i paid $100 for latex book set and pearson couldnt even send me the pdfs
[06:02] <pwnguin> and meeting rooms should we need them
[06:03] <user01> nomasteryoda: there are like a million examples i didnt want to type them all out
[06:04] <user01> my friend got the latex companion box set for free . . . my idea worked for him
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> heeh
[06:05] <user01> i didnt want to do it because it was illegal
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> good
[06:05] <user01> but it worked . . . they even gift wrapped it for him
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> that is not fair of them to do that...
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> to you
[06:06] <user01> well i just wanted to know if my idea would work
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> user01, i have my gutsy working with external
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> Fn+F8 works swell
[06:06] <pwnguin> nomasteryoda: all that does on my laptop is make things looks worse =(
[06:06] <user01> nomasteryoda: whats that?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> takes about 5 times to sync, but the projector sees it as a source and ... is good...
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> man
[06:07] <user01> nomasteryoda: oh ok
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> oh, the projector to svga
[06:07] <pwnguin> sometimes laptops work better with projectors if you hook them up on boot
[06:07] <user01> i dont have a projector never tried it
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> pwnguin, yup
[06:08] <user01> you will have to let me know how to do it so i can embarass the president
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> simple
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> and with new "unbreakableX" ... haha
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> you can have it detect both...
[06:08] <user01> not that he wasnt already embarassed that i walked in late asking if he was running ie in vmware
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> but that stuff is kinda dorky ... ubx that is
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> heheh
[06:09] <user01> he is into opensuse
[06:09] <igorgue> does compiz now only works with xgl?
[06:09] <igorgue> or its ony me?
[06:10] <user01> ok texlive-african is installing last one
[06:11] <Reaby> igorgue: should work also with nvidia drivers, without glx or aiglx
[06:12] <user01> i really like my t40 i won on ebay for $500 a year ago
[06:12] <igorgue> I have an Intel card
[06:13] <igorgue> but it only works with xgl
[06:13] <user01> it runs ubuntu really nicely . . . compiz is a little buggy
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> i'm using intel and its working... i don't know if its xgl
[06:13] <igorgue> do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[06:13] <igorgue> if you do, well you are using it :)
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> nope
[06:14] <igorgue> weird
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> i'm using standard x i810 driver and loading compiz with the alt+F2 run ...
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> then loading emerald if i want firefox not to launch
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:15] <user01> nomasteryoda: how long does it take for gparted to scan all devices?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> a couple minutes
[06:15] <user01> nomasteryoda: its just sorta stuck there
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> you started from console?
[06:15] <user01> nomasteryoda: oh ok, long than formatting
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:15] <user01> nomasteryoda: from the applications menu
[06:16] <igorgue> user01: formating its always less than 10 sec
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> ic
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> user01, i would kill the process
[06:17] <user01> nomasteryoda: what do projecters use?  just a vga in dont they?
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> umount and disconnect the drive... then launch gparted from console
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> oh, ya that works for many of them
[06:17] <spasticteapot> I have a problem playing video on my Thinkpad X61.
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> some also take s-vga and standard rca ... i even have one at work that takes the coax like from a stereo
[06:18] <igorgue> spasticteapot: which video card?
[06:18] <spasticteapot> The movie player opens, but instantly closes itself.
[06:18] <igorgue> ahh
[06:18] <spasticteapot> igorgue: Intel X3100.
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> spasticteapot, if it is totem, recommend using mplayer
[06:18] <spasticteapot> Hmm.
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> and/or smplayer
[06:18] <igorgue> start gstreamer-properties
[06:18] <spasticteapot> I tried good old fashioned GXINE. No worky.
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> i had same issue with totem
[06:18] <Reaby> vlc is one good candidate also
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> nor would xine work
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> i use that too
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> works almost everywhere
[06:19] <igorgue> spasticteapot: go to the video tab
[06:19] <Reaby> yep
[06:19] <user01> nomasteryoda: should i plug it back in before mounting?
[06:20] <igorgue> spasticteapot: select "X Windows System(No Xv)" in the defaul output, combobox
[06:20] <user01> nomasteryoda: launching i should say
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> user01, no
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> you can have gparted refresh drives
[06:20] <igorgue> spasticteapot: any luck?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> i think it is your holdup
[06:21] <user01> nomasteryoda: i think it is the fd0
[06:21] <genii> Is something messed up with libc6/libc6-i686 ? apt-get upgrade keeps core dumping
[06:21] <spasticteapot> Nope.
[06:21] <user01> nomasteryoda: let me try to reboot first from all the updates
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:21] <spasticteapot> igorgue: It STILL won't work.
[06:22] <spasticteapot> Seeing as how I have yet to monkey with the video settings, for once I'm reasonably sure it's not my fault.
[06:22] <igorgue> which player are you using?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> genii, aptitude update
[06:22] <igorgue> spasticteapot: ?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> genii, then aptitude safe-upgrade
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> see if that helps
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> apt was broken in yesterday's patches
[06:22] <genii> Gimme a minute
[06:24] <genii> Nope same
[06:24] <spasticteapot> igorgue: I have an amazing ability to screw up xorg.conf.
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> genii, you do an apt-get clean or similar?
[06:24] <igorgue> spasticteapot: jajajaja
[06:25] <igorgue> spasticteapot: are you using totem?
[06:25] <igorgue> spasticteapot: check if you are using totem-gstreamer version
[06:26] <user01> yeah not working
[06:27] <spasticteapot> igorgue: I tried Gxine.
[06:27] <spasticteapot> It won't even start now.
[06:27] <genii> I've done dpkg build-dep, and audit, as well as previously apt-get clean and when asked each time, dpkg --configure -a
[06:27] <igorgue> no...
[06:28] <igorgue> spasticteapot: try with totem
[06:28] <igorgue> totem-gstreamer version
[06:28] <igorgue> gstreamer-properties is only for gstreamer players
[06:28] <spasticteapot> Durr.
[06:28] <spasticteapot> I don't think that Totem is using Gstreamer.
[06:29] <spasticteapot> I dumb.
[06:29] <Reaby> spasticteapot: sudo apt-get install totem-gstreamer
[06:29] <igorgue> spasticteapot: install it
[06:29] <igorgue> just like Reaby, just said
[06:29] <user01> how long did you say it would take?
[06:30] <spasticteapot> Okay, apparently it WAS installed.
[06:30] <spasticteapot> That was odd.
[06:30] <Reaby> did you try vlc yet
[06:30] <igorgue> spasticteapot: you better get use to that compiz bug... because is a wont-fix bug
[06:30] <genii> maybe I'll force old ver for now
[06:30] <spasticteapot> igorgue: Wha?
[06:31] <cypherdelic> Der Client konnte auf Grund eines CORBA-Fehlers nicht zur Serverliste hinzugefgt werden: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
[06:31] <igorgue> yeah... that bug is a wont fix bug
[06:31] <cypherdelic> really?
[06:31] <igorgue> the technical board discussed it in the last meeting.
[06:31] <IntuitiveNipple> genii: maybe bug #140739
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[06:31] <cypherdelic> igorgue: do you mean me?
[06:32] <cypherdelic> please call my name
[06:32] <genii> IntuitiveNipple: Looking, thx
[06:32] <IntuitiveNipple> genii: quick-fix now is "sudo apt-get install dpkg" if you're affected
[06:32] <igorgue> cypherdelic: no i'm talking to spasticteapot ;)
[06:32] <IntuitiveNipple> you need the dpkg version that ends -14
[06:32] <genii> trying
[06:32] <IntuitiveNipple> (not -13)
[06:32] <cypherdelic> my system is really fucked up since the last updates
[06:32] <user01> oh look more updates just what i always wanted :)
[06:33] <cypherdelic> does anyone know something about that?
[06:33] <spasticteapot> Compiz bug?
[06:33] <IntuitiveNipple> cypherdelic: you'll need to be more specific
[06:33] <genii> nah same now but with again libc6-i686
[06:33] <igorgue> spasticteapot: yeah
[06:33] <spasticteapot> I want to play mpegs!
[06:33] <cypherdelic> Der Client konnte auf Grund eines CORBA-Fehlers nicht zur Serverliste hinzugefgt werden: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
[06:33] <cypherdelic> oh
[06:33] <igorgue> spasticteapot: but you can
[06:33] <spasticteapot> But I can't!
[06:33] <spasticteapot> I'm downloading VLC.
[06:33] <cypherdelic> nothing works nautilus does not start
[06:33] <spasticteapot> Maybe that will work.
[06:33] <igorgue> spasticteapot: change the gstreamer-properties that I just said
[06:33] <spasticteapot> I did.
[06:34] <spasticteapot> No dice.
[06:34] <cypherdelic> every application produces the error that i posted
[06:34] <Reaby> spasticteapot: best to hope it works..
[06:34] <igorgue> spasticteapot: and you need to use totem
[06:34] <spasticteapot> I am...I think.
[06:34] <cypherdelic> even a termin gives me CORBA error
[06:34] <cypherdelic> i cant ping localhost, but i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:34] <igorgue> spasticteapot: that's weird... try to disable compiz...
[06:35] <Reaby> damn, he quits
[06:35] <spasticteapot> igorgue: How do I do that?
[06:35] <spasticteapot> Also, VLC will not work either.
[06:35] <igorgue> open a terminal
[06:35] <igorgue> no
[06:35] <igorgue> ALT+F2
[06:36] <spasticteapot> Okay.
[06:36] <igorgue> and type: gnome-wm
[06:36] <genii> bah install dpkg or dpkg-dev still produces segfault, coredump
[06:36] <genii> build-dep also
[06:36] <spasticteapot> igorgue: And then?
[06:37] <igorgue> spasticteapot: so... are you not using compiz?
[06:38] <genii> Hmm
[06:38] <igorgue> spasticteapot: if you are not using compiz, try to open any vid?
[06:38] <spasticteapot> igorgue: Well, I did'nt install it.
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Is compiz preinstalled?
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> genii, have you rebooted since last update?
[06:39] <spasticteapot> I never used it before.
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> just a thought
[06:39] <spasticteapot> (So sue me. I'm a luddite...)
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> no, you're using irc and a development distro... not a luddite
[06:39] <igorgue> spasticteapot: yeah... compiz is the Sh*t, but is very buggy :(
[06:39] <genii> nomasteryoda: Since it was what gave me the segfault, not yet :/
[06:40] <genii> 1 minute, pastebin unusual apt-get msg
[06:40] <igorgue> spasticteapot: so... you are now able to watch videos?
[06:41] <genii> did apt-get install pkg-config, then got usual run dpkg --configure -a, then this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37871/
[06:43] <spasticteapot> Gimme a sec.
[06:43] <genii> still getting segfault/coredump however
[06:43] <genii> will clean and reboot
[06:43] <spasticteapot> Whad'ya know?
[06:43] <spasticteapot> It works!
[06:43] <igorgue> yeah is a compiz bug :(
[06:43] <genii> see you in a few
[06:44] <spasticteapot> Here's hoping it gets fixed.
[06:44] <igorgue> spasticteapot: I WON'T
[06:44] <pwnguin> is there a way to restore compiz back to the defaults?
[06:45] <igorgue> spasticteapot: I was in the last meeting and is a wont fix, actually is a non-implemented feature.
[06:45] <user01> did yoda guy leave?
[06:46] <igorgue> spasticteapot: but you have 3 options: 1. Not use compiz 2. Use xgl(sudo apt-get xserver-xgl) 3. Change the gstreamer-properties thing that I just told you.
[06:46] <pwnguin> or you could write the patch to support exa in intel i965 or whatever
[06:47] <pwnguin> but im guessing thats a distant 4th option
[06:47] <spasticteapot> Okay, so Compiz is being removed from the final version?
[06:47] <spasticteapot> I don't really use it anyway.
[06:47] <pwnguin> spasticteapot: not that ive read
[06:47] <pwnguin> just blacklisted on chipsets that don't work fully
[06:48] <genii> Geez it must be getting hit bad, speed is horrible
[06:49] <genii> What dpkg ver is supposed to be, dpkg 1.14.5ubuntu14 ?
[06:51] <igorgue> btw, one of the problems with xgl is that gl animations dont work at al :S
[06:52] <RAOF> igorgue: Really?  What hardware?
[06:52] <igorgue> intel
[06:53] <RAOF> File bugs!
[06:53] <igorgue> RAOF: how to debug it?
[06:53] <igorgue> glxgears fails
[06:53] <igorgue> when I'm using xgl
[06:54] <igorgue> thats the problems
[06:54] <RAOF> igorgue: In what way "fails"?
[06:54] <igorgue> and some games run slowly
[06:54] <igorgue> glxgears trying to start
[06:55] <igorgue> RAOF: how I disable xgl?(I knew that I needed to create a file but I don't remember where :))
[06:55] <RAOF> igorgue: So, there will be a (usually) small performance hit for GL programs under Xgl, but it should be about the same as running 3D programs under Compiz.
[06:55] <Jordan_U> There is a wubi.exe on the current LiveCD, is Wubi going to be a supported method of installation?
[06:56] <RAOF> igorgue: ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[06:56] <scheater5> I was in here earlier asking about Archos media players, I've since found out their processors are based on "Davinci Technologies" which are SoCs with "ARM and DSP cores" - can anyone elucidate this for me?
[06:56] <igorgue> RAOF: No is not the same, because Xserver crash when you try to run glxgears using xgl
[06:57] <RAOF> igorgue: >.<
[06:57] <RAOF> igorgue:
[06:57] <igorgue> RAOF: I was close with the file :)
[06:57] <RAOF> igorgue: But other 3d apps work?
[06:57] <igorgue> RAOF: Let me tomboy it :P
[06:57] <RAOF> igorgue: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xgl/README.Debian for more details :)
[06:57] <igorgue> RAOF: some 3d works but slowly
[06:58] <igorgue> RAOF: Like for example Nexuiz
[06:58] <igorgue> but very slow
[06:58] <igorgue> unusable
[06:59] <RAOF> Hm.
[07:00] <genii> scheater5: ""soc" means sytem on chip. ARM is a type of processor. DSP is digital signal processor
[07:00] <igorgue> RAOF: so... how I get a stack trace?
[07:01] <igorgue> because I can't file a bug just saying "No 3d in XGL" :D
[07:01] <genii> scheater5: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2383518867.html
[07:01] <RAOF> igorgue: If apport doesn't do one for you, you can try switching to a virtual terminal and running "DISPLAY=:1 gdb glxgears"
[07:03] <igorgue> RAOF: ok, let me do it
[07:03] <RAOF> Then the rest of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace should help.
[07:03] <philip_> anyone else missing the titlebar in compiz?
[07:04] <igorgue> ahh
[07:04] <igorgue> philip_: disble the png plugin
[07:04] <RAOF> If it's Xgl that's crashing, you may also want to do the "already running programs" bit on Xgl.
[07:05] <Reaby> philip_: or try if changing theme in thememanager helps, it some times fixes the problem
[07:05] <philip_> thanks guys
[07:06] <aslan> hey guys.. anyone having problems with gnome-panel not installing because of dependency issues ?
[07:07] <Reaby> i had some problems with recent updates, but all went ok with apt-get install -f
[07:07] <philip_> wow disabling the png plugin makes firefox turn completely black
[07:07] <igorgue> ok RAOF, saving this log to try tomorrow because
[07:07] <igorgue> @now
[07:07] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 19 2007, 05:07:48 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 6 hours 52 minutes
[07:07] <igorgue> is to late :)
[07:09] <Reaby> aslan: so nothing new.. it's develpment branch after all :)
[07:09] <ohsoferrety> Is it just me or is DVD playback in Gutsy not working?
[07:09] <scheater5> genii: so then, I could theoretically put a ARM linux distro on the device?  All the typical trappings - hardware support, etc - would be problems, but in theory?
[07:10] <genii> scheater5: Exactly so, yes
[07:10] <igorgue> bye RAOF, I hope that people with a intel chipset switch to XGL because AIGLX have to much bugs on Intel.
[07:12] <scheater5> genii: well that is great news.  So what exactly is a DSP?
[07:12] <aslan> Reaby: ya I know it's development :)
[07:12] <aslan> I've been running it a while now, I've just never has it uninstall gnome-panel
[07:13] <pwnguin> digital signal processor?
[07:13] <aslan> I got it all resolved though.
[07:13] <scheater5> pwnguin: yes, what is that?
[07:13] <genii> scheater5: Usually the DSP is for streaming data, to convert to something the chip can process;eg to digitze music or so
[07:15] <scheater5> genii:  ah - the media player can record tv broadcasts.  So that's not, at least not directly, related to the OS - in terms of what kind of distro I could put on it?
[07:16] <genii> scheater5: No, the distro would be for the ARM processor. The DSP would be a device that would need some kind of driver/instrucions etc
[07:19] <genii> scheater5: So the trick would be then to have a small box for compiling, which can cross-compile for the ARM and knows about the specific DSP in that setup. Then you compile whatever app in that environment, upload to the device by console or however
[07:19] <scheater5> Genii: awesome.  So now I've just got to figure out how to get this device to boot something other than the built in harddrive to test something out.
[07:20] <scheater5> genii: ok, you lost me at cross compiling.  I've only heard that phrase a few times, and certainlly know nothing about it.
[07:21] <genii> scheater5: cross-compiling is when you want to compile a program for a different type of system than the one you are compiling it on, for instance, compile a program for AMD onan intel or so
[07:21] <genii> scheater5: So you can make a program for an ARM cpu on an i386 box
[07:22] <scheater5> O lordy, lord.  Why do I get the feeling as soon as I get this thing I may as well just burn the warranty card!
[07:22] <scheater5> Well, I was really hoping to put an ARM distro on it, such as Debian or the forthcoming UbuntuEmbedded, thus me asking in this channel.
[07:22] <genii> heh :)
[07:23] <genii> Do you have a link to the product page or so?
[07:24] <scheater5> genii: http://www.archos.com/products/gen_5/archos_605wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en
[07:24] <genii> Bah. apt-get segfault/coredump, same crap same place same Bat-channel once more here... :/
[07:27] <genii> scheater5: Very neat looking, that
[07:28] <genii> Apparently it's already running linux
[07:29] <scheater5> genii:  I like it, but what I don't like is paying extra for codecs and even the web browser.  If I could put linux on it, grab all the codecs I need, stick an RSS reader and vim on it I could leave my laptop at home as a desktop replacement and take this thing to work/class.
[07:29] <scheater5> genii:  Yes, it's running linux but with alot of proprietary stuff on top - I'm not entirely sure where one ends and the other begins.
[07:29] <genii> Hmm
[07:34] <scheater5> genii: well, you've certainly cleared up alot.  It took me forever just to figure out what the architecture is, and I found it of all place on Texas Instruments website, not even Archos'.  Now if I can figure out how to get it to boot a cd, I'll be off to the races.
[07:35] <genii> Maybe it will boot off a USB key, I noticed it has a few of those
[07:36] <genii> They have the firmware fo4r d/l on their site.
[07:36] <scheater5> Even the port is proprietary - won't accept any cable but their's.
[07:36] <genii> I think for curiosity I;ll look at it
[07:37] <genii> heh "aos" extension. Likely tar.gz or so.
[07:38] <genii> Now to look in user manual for how to upgrade firmware :)
[07:39] <scheater5> the info I have suggests you can download the firmware directly on the device's web browser and install it straight-away.
[07:39] <Ahmuck> k, for those of you in kubuntu channel, please pardon me.  it appears that kubuntu creates this "crash" report when things are crashing in kubuntu gutsy, then it wants me to create a bug report on launchpad.  to do so i have to create an account and then log in.  not going to happen.
[07:40] <Ahmuck> it would seem easy enough to me that one could "fingerprint" the system (leaving out the personal details), and submit the fingerprint along with a "formated" report.
[07:40] <Ahmuck> this would remove the "spam" factor and not require me as a user to take time of for another <insert something here> registration
[07:41] <Ahmuck> in addition, bug reports could easily be handled by "bot" intelligence reading from the standard report header for classification and dups
[07:44] <genii> scheater5: Yes, it seems to go to it's site and see for updates. However, instructions say also to plug it to your computer, copy the new firmware to whatthey call "the root" of the device, then select in the device to update firmware, wher eit searches locally now first
[07:45] <genii> AFK
[07:48] <scheater5> I know that plugging the device into a computer will let you recognize the harddrive as a mass storage device.  I'm probably gonna look at some kind of partitioning and then dual boot, assuming the file system is not something wacky.
[07:48] <scheater5> but it's about that time for me
[07:48] <scheater5> thank you for you help.  I'll be looking into this until I make the purchase
[07:48] <scheater5> PEACE
[07:52] <pwnguin> Ahmuck: indeed. there's a program called apport that will automatically report bugs
[07:52] <Ahmuck> so why is kubuntu bugging me out about it?
[07:53] <pwnguin> ive no idea
[07:53] <pwnguin> possibly because kubuntu doesn't support it
[07:53] <Ahmuck> maybe it's a gutsy bug :-) one of those big powerful ones
[07:53] <Ahmuck> with teeth
[07:53] <pwnguin> but then, i dont think ive used it
[07:53] <Ahmuck> lol
[07:53] <pwnguin> in either case
[07:53] <pwnguin> theres little point in anonymous bugs
[07:54] <Ahmuck> then why have a dialog interupt me when i'm working, just set a global standard "ignore bugs" and i'll be done with it
[07:54] <pwnguin> good question, ive not seen that in GNOME
[07:55] <Ahmuck> fingerprinting the system and tying it to an e-mail address would prevent it from being anon.  you could have the e-mail option on the first bug
[07:56] <Ahmuck> i don't mind adding what i was doing at the time of the krash, so the bug could be filed, but it's just another registration, and it caught me wrong three times this evening
[07:56] <Ahmuck> besides, using gutsy means i expect bugs
[07:56] <Ahmuck> and reporting them would be a good thing
[07:57] <Ahmuck> anyhow, i'm tired, nite
[07:58] <Ahmuck> perhaps i've misunderstood it all
[08:04] <jussi01> scheater5: did you ever manage to get that kernel compiled?
[08:30] <mon^rc1> if a theme is causing ff to hang, is it a problem with the theme, or firefox? (the theme+ff works fine in feisty)
[08:32] <genii> scheater5: Still here?
[08:33] <genii> Too bad, I found a linux that will run on that thing
[08:35] <penguincentral> genii: out of my own curiosity, what is it?
[08:38] <tigerz> hi guys, any one has problem with gnome-terminal on gusty?
[08:38] <penguincentral> tigerz: have you done an update yet?
[08:39] <tigerz> yes, i just done an update 1 hour ago
[08:39] <tigerz> i got problem with gnome-terminal from yesterday
[08:40] <tigerz> and gnome-appearance-properties
[08:40] <penguincentral> tigerz: go to system>administration>software sources.  then in the download from box, select Main Server.  Have you done that?
[08:41] <tigerz> let me check
[08:41] <linuxemacs>  does anyone have the typing in caps characters problem?(ubuntu 7.04). i couldn't type caps characters in tty mode.
[08:41] <linuxemacs> the caps lock led is light, but i couldn't type caps characters.
[08:41] <tigerz> yes, it's Main Server already
[08:42] <linuxemacs>  is it a bug of ubuntu 7.04?
[08:43] <penguincentral> tigerz, if you can't get into the terminal, press alt+f2, then type in xterm.  it does the same stuff as the normal terminal
[08:43] <tigerz> penguincentral, ;)
[08:44] <tigerz> yes, xterm and multi-gnome-terminal works fine for me now
[08:44] <penguincentral> tigerz: there you go ;)
[08:44] <linuxemacs> when i press alt+fx, i coudln't type any caps characters in tty. why?
[08:44] <linuxemacs> on ubuntu 7.04 version. laptop is thinkpad t60.
[08:45] <linuxemacs> does anyone can help me?
[08:45] <penguincentral> #ubuntu+1
[08:46] <tigerz> but be honest, i prefer gnome-terminal
[08:46] <penguincentral> tigerz: don't we all
[08:46] <penguincentral> linuxemacs: #ubuntu
[08:46] <penguincentral> use that channel
[08:46] <penguincentral> this channel is for the development versions of Ubuntu, not the stable ones
[08:49] <linuxemacs> thx~
[08:49] <penguincentral> that's ok linuxemacs
[08:52] <tigerz> any suggestion on this error: The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[08:52] <tigerz> (Details: serial 718 error_code 11 request_code 53 minor_code 0)
[08:57] <tigerz> haha, i found a way to resolve my issue
[08:58] <tigerz> its seems there some problem with configuration of gnome-terminal after upgrade to the latest version
[09:01] <tekhawk> is gDesklets broken
[09:01] <tekhawk> i havnt had that work since i installed gutsy
[09:02] <tigerz> tekhawk, any error message did you get?
[09:02] <tekhawk> one sec
[09:02] <pwnguin> tekhawk: it doesn't work with compiz i dont think
[09:02] <tekhawk> pwnguin: that sucks
[09:03] <tekhawk> well what the hell is the widget layer for in compiz fusion
[09:03] <tekhawk> thank god gnometerminal is fixed
[09:03] <pwnguin> bug 96214
[09:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96214 in gdesklets "gdesklets don't work on startup with beryl" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96214
[09:05] <tekhawk> so whats the point of widget layer in compiz fusion
[09:06] <RAOF> tekhawk: You can put stuff on the widget layer, and only see it when you press F9
[09:06] <genii> Damn, finally got upgrade done then dist-upgrade.
[09:06] <tekhawk> how do you put stuff on it ive been trying for days now lol
[09:07] <nanonyme> genii, isn't upgrade deprecated? ;)
[09:07] <nanonyme> i think it's nowadays safe-upgrade
[09:07] <genii> uname -r :2.6.22-11-generiic
[09:08] <RAOF> tekhawk: You need to write a match rule for the stuff you want in the widet layer.  I don't bother, frankly.
[09:09] <genii> nanonyme: Well, after installing apt-tools and pkg-config, it looped a few times in the "run dpkg --configure -a" mode. But then ldconfig was catching something about the libc6 which it deferred, and allowed upgrade to complete
[09:09] <nanonyme> heh
[09:10] <nanonyme> genii, yeah but i meant that at least aptitude complains if you try to use the word upgrade instead of safe-upgrade
[09:10] <genii> nanonyme: Ah, was using apt-get
[09:11] <nanonyme> hmm, it was only changed in aptitude?
[09:11] <nanonyme> now, that's weird
[09:12] <genii> not a peep from it to use safe-upgrade
[09:12] <DanaG> Odd: something seems to be grabbing my delete key.
[09:13] <DanaG> I hit it, I get a window saying only this:
[09:13] <DanaG> Text was empty (or contained only whitespace)
[09:16] <DanaG> Aah, it was a metacity keybinding.
[09:16] <RAOF> ???
[09:16] <tekhawk> anyone know a guide to adding things to widget layer
[09:19] <pwnguin> ok. compiz related problem: i maximize a lot of windows. so when i get alt tab, often times the only thing that zooms out is the gnome panel
[09:19] <pwnguin> fair enough to have that the default
[09:19] <pwnguin> but ccsm doesn't seem to able to turn it off =(
[09:20] <genii> tekhawk: http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/programming/gtk_examples/index.shtml
[09:22] <tekhawk> genii: rightlost me lol
[09:23] <genii> tekhawk: What is it you are trying to do?
[09:23] <tekhawk> genii: im trying to use compiz-fusion's widget layer
[09:24] <pwnguin> compiz-fusion has a "widget layer" plugin that theoretically allows you to put gdesklets etc into compiz
[09:24] <crdlb> tekhawk, http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/WindowMatching
[09:24] <genii> Ah, OK
[09:25] <tekhawk> thank you
[09:30] <tekhawk> crdlb: thank you so much
[09:31] <genii> Some interesting stuff also here alonmg same vein http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1768
[09:35] <tekhawk> sticky notes via class or name dont seem to send new note to widget layer sadly
[09:36] <tekhawk> even if you create it with widget layer open
[09:36] <tekhawk> change the rule and they all go into the widget layer though
[09:36] <tekhawk> till you make a new one
[09:37] <tekhawk> same with gnome panel i mst be missing something lol
[09:41] <linuxemacs> when does distribute linux-restricted-module-2.22 for gusty version?
[09:45] <tekhawk> ok fixed you must add it to the widget windows under the plug in not just the windows rule plugin
[09:50] <linuxemacs> tekhawk, can i get the 2.22 version of linux-restricted-module through apt-get command, now?
[09:50] <tekhawk> the restricted drivers modual
[09:52] <linuxemacs> do you means that i must download restricted reivers and install it by myself?the lastest version of ubuntu don't distribute this module?
[09:52] <tekhawk> in synaptic i have <IP_ADDRESS>-11.3
[09:53] <tekhawk> linuxemacs: <IP_ADDRESS>-11.3 is in the gutsy repos now
[09:53] <linuxemacs> ok~~~let me see...thx
[09:54] <tekhawk> it was in there the day after it broke
[09:55] <linuxemacs> avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.22-10_3.11+<IP_ADDRESS>-10.1_i386.deb
[09:55] <linuxemacs> is that?
[09:55] <linuxemacs> /pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.22-10_3.11+<IP_ADDRESS>-10.1_i386.deb
[09:59] <tekhawk> not sure what you need
[10:22] <linuxemacs> i wanna get restricted-modules for gusty(kernel v2.6.22) by 'apt-get install' command. but when i type 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted' tab tab tab , i couldn't find the right version of this module for linux-image-2.6.22-generic.
[10:23] <Daviey> linuxemacs: apt-cache search linux-restricted
[10:23] <stefg> why not use the linux-restricted-modules-generic meta-package ?
[10:24] <RAOF> Or even the "linux-generic" metapackage?
[10:24] <linuxemacs> the linux-restricted-modules-generic meta-package has not inlcude ati driver and wireless driver for my laptop(thikpad t60)
[10:25] <AmyRose> I have been trying to upgrade to Gutsy from Feisty for a couple days now and cannot get past this error message related to file permissions or something, even though I'm running the updater as root...
[10:25] <nikolam> Does anyone else have trouble starting OpenOffice?
[10:26] <stefg> linuxemacs: the metapackage does only have the kernel specific restricted packages as dependency... you get the same package. So if it's not in, it won't make a difference
[10:26] <linuxemacs> when i click restrict driver menu panel, the warning message said "you must install linux-restricted-modules-generic module":(
[10:26] <linuxemacs> ok~i try it~~~
[10:27] <nikolam> AmyRose: try sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and again
[10:27] <AmyRose> nikolam: I thought that was discouraged
[10:27] <linuxemacs> have you installed the gusty on thinkpad t60?
[10:28] <nikolam> AmyRose: That is only solution if you cant boot, for instance. i sow some manual about that.
[10:28] <linuxemacs> i don't known why wireless and ati vedio card could not automatically install on gusty.
[10:28] <RAOF> linuxemacs: they should.
[10:28] <linuxemacs> oh thx!i try it tonight
[10:29] <nikolam> There should be calendar component included in Iceape..
[10:30] <nikolam> Latest updated 2.6.22-11 Wont boot!
[10:30] <nikolam> I am runing 2.6.22-10 now
[10:31] <nikolam> At least iceape calendar should be in repository..
[10:33] <linuxemacs> this morning, my ubuntu system had crash when i ran second life game. when i selected the video card option. the system zombie. :(
[10:35] <AmyRose> nikolam: I'm still in Feisty at the moment though--the upgrader never started because of this
[10:35] <AmyRose> One one hand, at least my system appears to be fine, but... still...
[10:35] <nikolam> AmyRose: In your place i would stau with Feisty..
[10:36] <nikolam> I myself use Gutsy as test system only
[10:36] <nikolam> per instance, my system wont boot today :) only when I select different kernel. Dont be.
[10:36] <AmyRose> hahaha
[10:36] <AmyRose> I did this before though...
[10:37] <AmyRose> with Feisty
[10:37] <nikolam> So you are not novel to those things.. :)
[10:37] <laga> gutsy was running fine for me, except for a few oddities with the -rt kernel. it was running fine till i decided i wanted to switch to amd64.
[10:37] <linuxemacs> 64 bits version?
[10:37] <AmyRose> Feisty was the first time I ever upgraded early after using Linux for three years :)
[10:37] <nikolam> i see no difference between i386 and amd64 Same thing.  No comming back to i386 ;)
[10:38] <linuxemacs> :)but some driver and app has some problem on 64bit version?
[10:38] <laga> AmyRose: i'll be using a 32bit firefox
[10:39] <AmyRose> Ick, firefox
[10:39] <nikolam> AmyRose: it works for me. there is some script to make it work :)
[10:39] <laga> linuxemacs: none of my drivers have issues on amd64 AFAIK. for the apps, i'll have a 32 bit environment
[10:39] <linuxemacs> my laptop support 64bit(t60) , but i am running 32bit version of ubuntu now.
[10:39] <AmyRose> I'm on Kubuntu and am a happy Konqueror user =P
[10:39] <laga> AmyRose: i'm on kubuntu and i can't stand konqueror.
[10:40] <AmyRose> Aww... why?
[10:40] <linuxemacs> how to build 32 bit environment on the 64bit version of ubuntu?
[10:40] <nikolam> linuxemacs: That is safe bet. If you are having 3Gb ram and less, you dont need to go for 64. But I am tired of 32, anyway :)
[10:40] <nikolam> laga: Try xubuntu`s xfce. faster, simpler :)
[10:40] <linuxemacs> hehe~~~i have 2gb ram~
[10:41] <laga> AmyRose: i can't really tell. maybe it's the whole integrated file manager/web browser approach that reminds me of Ms windows. i do like the kio slaves, though, but it's too kumbersome to move files around with a mouse
[10:41] <nikolam> linuxemacs: hehe me too but 64bit :)
[10:43] <nikolam> Ok, girls and boys, Back to bug reporting ;) the only issue is that my Launchpad password is remembered on 7.04 so I need to reboot.
[10:43] <linuxemacs> but some website announce that some program have problem when they are running 64bit environment. so i afraid install it on my laptop.
[10:44] <AmyRose> laga: Ah. I compiled Gutsy's Dolphin package and installed that :)
[10:44] <laga> i'm still wondering why nvidia.ko is not included in the l-r-m package for the -rt kernel.
[10:44] <AmyRose> laga: To me (on 32-bit PC), Firefox is slow and a memory hog...
[10:45] <laga> firefox is quite fast here, but it's indeed a memory hog
[10:45] <laga> it used to be much worse, though
[10:45] <AmyRose> Yeah, I'm hoping 3.0 looks as good or better than the current alphas
[10:45] <linuxemacs> why don't you try swiftfox?
[10:46] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: Because it's proprietary.
[10:46] <AmyRose> and when I tried it, it didn't seem any better
[10:46] <linuxemacs> :),but i feel it launch more quick than firefox.
[10:47] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: But I notice no improvements in rendering speed, etc.
[10:47] <laga> use wine and IE7! :)
[10:47] <AmyRose> laga: Noes!! :'(
[10:47] <AmyRose> actually, I heard Wine doesn't support IE7 yet
[10:48] <linuxemacs> but i found, if you install flash player plugin. the speed of lauch change slow.
[10:48] <nanonyme> well, wine has gecko replacement anyway
[10:48] <nanonyme> not IE
[10:48] <AmyRose> nanonyme: Not if you use ies4linux
[10:48] <nanonyme> AmyRose, it's not part of wine and is not supported by winehq
[10:48] <laga> alright, time for a reboot. i've just updated tribe 5 to current gutsy.
[10:48] <linuxemacs> if you install ie through wine, the ie couldn't support all website.
[10:49] <pwuertz> hi, I'm having a problem with gutsy. when I log-in for the second time, several gnome-panel applets are not starting up properly. Instead, crash-messages appear, asking me if I would like to remove the broken applets entirely
[10:49] <AmyRose> Who the heck needs IE anyway? I certainly don't! I just tried it for the sake of trying it, not because I've found a site that won't work on a native browser...
[10:49] <nanonyme> AmyRose, some games require hacks that make people think gecko replacement is the real IE
[10:50] <nanonyme> s/people/them/
[10:50] <nanonyme> sigh
[10:50] <linuxemacs> hehe~~
[10:50] <pwuertz> this happens when I kill X and try to login again.. or when I gracefully log-off from a gnome session and log-in again
[10:50] <nanonyme> that is, make games think that blah blah
[10:50] <AmyRose> nanonyme: Oh. I've been using Linux as my only OS for the last 3 and a half years and pretty much shut myself off from Windows games anyway
[10:50] <pwuertz> after rebooting, gnome starts up fine
[10:50] <nanonyme> alright
[10:51] <nanonyme> AmyRose, some windows games require IE which can be bypassed with wine registry hacks + gecko. even more annoying games require .NET which is a problem since mono can't fully replace it :/
[10:52] <pwuertz> I tried to delete ".gnome" ".gnome2", but this does not affect the problem, only a reboot fixes gnome, although no X applications should be alive after killing X
[10:52] <nanonyme> omg, girls :o
[10:52] <pwuertz> is this a known bug?
[10:52] <AmyRose> nanonyme: I've converted several girls to Linux, most of them weren't even geeks, and they thought it was the greatest thing ever
[10:53] <nanonyme> AmyRose, i trust you've heard the "On the Internet men are men, women are men and 15-year-old girls are FBI agents." ;)
[10:53] <linuxemacs> haha ~~~~
[10:54] <linuxemacs> sigh
[10:54] <nanonyme> anyway, i've no idea if pwuertz's problem is a known one
[10:54] <linuxemacs> maybe some men is women on the internet.
[10:54] <AmyRose> nanonyme: Yeah, but that's not true, but many people on-line take on the gender that they feel like taking on ;)
[10:55] <linuxemacs> but some colleague of mine(female) is using linux system now
[10:55] <nanonyme> AmyRose, yes, well. some channels i'm on have more than 50% women
[10:55] <AmyRose> But the secret to converting the average Windows user is to remember that they will be scared off if they are told to learn the command line. =P
[10:56] <nanonyme> imho you still can't survive in linux without command line unless you outsource sysadmin services to eg a friend
[10:56] <pwuertz> any idea which application could be responsible for this? it must be something that is loaded along the first gnome session
[10:57] <pwuertz> but the bug is still present in the next X session
[10:57] <nicox84> good morning
[10:57] <AmyRose> nanonyme: OK, name one thing you'd do on a HOME PC that absolutely MUST be done with the command line.
[10:57] <pwuertz> a complete reboot fixes it
[10:57] <pwuertz> strange
[10:57] <nicox84> i have some problems upgrading xubuntu to gutsy
[10:57] <nicox84> can somebody help me?
[10:57] <AmyRose> nicox84: What sorts of problems?
[10:58] <linuxemacs> plz give more info about your problem.
[10:58] <nanonyme> AmyRose, there tend to be bugs sometimes in graphical intefaces. it's nice to know how to bypass them on command line so you don't just have to wait for the update doing nothing
[10:59] <nicox84> i run it, but the terminal says something about NameError: global name 'os' is not defined , but this bug seems to be fixed from version .53 of update manager, and i have .54
[10:59] <nanonyme> although it's true they're getting better and eventually it won't be a problem anymore
[10:59] <AmyRose> nanonyme: When that happens, I can help my friends through that, and I rarely need to intervene like that.
[11:00] <AmyRose> I mean, one of my non-geek friends hasn't contacted me at ALL in the last 6 months...
[11:00] <AmyRose> She got the upgrade from Edgy to Feisty done without a hitch even :)
[11:00] <nanonyme> yes, i help my friends with that kind of problems too. people just don't like to admit they really can't do what needs to be done on the OS
[11:01] <AmyRose> nanonyme: That doesn't seem to be a problem with me... My friends tend to think Kubuntu is easier than Windows.
[11:01] <nanonyme> there was a problem with network automatic startup with ubuntu long ago and a friend was content just to set up network manually each time
[11:01] <nanonyme> before i went to his place and set it up on the command line
[11:01] <linuxemacs> yes, my friend think too. the kubuntu or ubuntu is very easy for newlies
[11:02] <AmyRose> I've also found that every non-geek I've showed it to thinks Kubuntu is easier than Ubuntu
[11:02] <nanonyme> iirc it was about dns settings not being saved permanently if you do changes on the graphical interface
[11:02] <linuxemacs> which desktop environment do you choose?
[11:03] <AmyRose> I personally use KDE, but I make all my converting friends use both
[11:04] <nicox84> if somebody helps me i can give the full terminal output
[11:04] <nanonyme> i use XFCE
[11:04] <AmyRose> The channel I frequent the most is #kde here :P
[11:06] <CountX> can anyone tell me why my login screen is like 640x480 and then when i log in its 1440x900, like  is that the way is should be cause in feisty the login screen was 1440x900
[11:06] <AmyRose> Most of my friends who use Linux say they've found KDE to be easier to get used to
[11:06] <CountX> AmyRose: i like gnome
[11:06] <AmyRose> CountX: OK.
[11:06] <CountX> AmyRose: just saying
[11:06] <linuxemacs> why don't you choose gnome environment?
[11:07] <linuxemacs> it's very slow?
[11:07] <rojanu> Hi! I have a problem with update, it tells me to run "dpkg --configure -a" but then I get dpkg: error processing gnome-power-manager (--configure):
[11:07] <linuxemacs> or ther reason?
[11:07] <AmyRose> CountX: Have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and making sure your 1440x900 resolution is enabled?
[11:07] <pwuertz> nicox84: I dont think anyone here knows about the internals of update-manager :/
[11:08] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: You asking me why I don't use GNOME?
[11:08] <linuxemacs> all of you~
[11:08] <linuxemacs> ;)
[11:08] <linuxemacs> GNOME is not more difficult using than KDE, i think.
[11:09] <AmyRose> OK, I don't use GNOME because it seems deliberately underpowered. Pidgin seems to be following this path too, even though it's not an official GNOME program. I don't agree that fewer buttons makes it easier.
[11:09] <nicox84> ok thank you anyway. perhaps i must wait till the stable release exit
[11:10] <AmyRose> I just cannot agree that pulling features for the sake of pulling features is an "improvement".
[11:10] <nicox84> because i don't know how to find help, since the output seems to give a bug already fixed in a previous version of the update-manager i have :(
[11:10] <rojanu> any help with dpkg, pleeeeeeease?
[11:11] <linuxemacs> hehe~~~oh amyrose~~do you find the Pidgin consume more ram when you run long time?
[11:11] <AmyRose> Yes, I do, linuxemacs, which is one of many reasons I've been using Kopete these days
[11:11] <AmyRose> For one thing, they actually understand that the non-technical folks actually DO care about what protocol they are chatting on
[11:11] <nicox84> rojanu: a not expert ad: have you tryed to reinstall the package? maybe is broken...
[11:12] <pwuertz> nicox84: since its a python application, it might be possible that a local cache of your old update-manager still exists
[11:12] <AmyRose> Plus I kinda need Kopete's webcam support :)
[11:12] <linuxemacs> do you know, today the Pidgin consume more than 200mb ram. My God~!@!!
[11:13] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: That doesn't surprise me.
[11:13] <nanonyme> heh, my reason not to use GNOME was that - just as KDE - it's a bit heavy and i like having a lighter window manager on my laptop :)
[11:13] <pwuertz> nicox84: maybe you should wait for the final release and file a bug if necessary
[11:14] <AmyRose> Well, I have nothing against ligher WMs, but I do get sick of people who think it's a sin to use KDE
[11:14] <nicox84> pwuertz: so the problem is in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/DistUpgradeFetcher.py if i delete it, how can i replace it? with a --reconfigure?
[11:14] <CountX> AmyRose: when configuring xorg, when it asks for the video resolutions to be used, do you mark the ones you want it to use?
[11:14] <CountX> AmyRose: or do yuo mark the ones u dont want to use?
[11:14] <linuxemacs> beginning, i assume the much more ram has comsumed by second life game. but when i type 'top' command. My God~! Pidgin comsume the hundred of RAM...
[11:15] <nanonyme> :P
[11:15] <nanonyme> try firefox?
[11:15] <linuxemacs> Pidgin
[11:15] <linuxemacs> firefox consumes 60 mb ram on my laptop.
[11:16] <nanonyme> naw, i meant that it's one of the biggest memory hogs ever. it's leaking memory and if you run it for a long time, it can take several hundred megabytes
[11:16] <CountX> firefox is a resource whore
[11:16] <linuxemacs> kopete is looks very nice...
[11:16] <linuxemacs> haha
[11:16] <linuxemacs> i will try it~
[11:16] <AmyRose> CountX: That's why I use Konqueror
[11:17] <CountX> nanonyme: finaly someone who knows firefox's dirty memory leaking secrets
[11:17] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: If you have a webcam, Kopete will be the best choice for you :P
[11:17] <AmyRose> I have one
[11:17] <linuxemacs> thank you, AmyRose
[11:17] <CountX> can you run kopete on gnome?
[11:17] <CountX> nanonyme: i splurge and use x-chat at home
[11:17] <linuxemacs> you must install ked library first.
[11:18] <AmyRose> CountX: Yes.
[11:18] <AmyRose> You can run any program under any DE
[11:18] <linuxemacs> kde not ked, sorry
[11:18] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: It automatically installs those though ;)
[11:18] <nanonyme> that is, my primary instant messaging methods are jabber and irc...
[11:19] <CountX> who, i cant get dpkg to update
[11:19] <CountX> whoa*
[11:20] <linuxemacs> :) i am not use jabber or other IM except IRC and MSN
[11:20] <CountX> AmyRose: whats the latest version of dpkg, what version do you have
[11:21] <AmyRose> CountX: I actually came here because I couldn't even get the upgrader started...
[11:21] <AmyRose> and then we had a conversation here so I stayed :D
[11:21] <nicox84> i'll try with a purge and reinstall
[11:22] <CountX> AmyRose: wow, sry
[11:22] <linuxemacs> AmyRose, do you know how to install gcc 3.2 version on ubuntu (festiy or gusty)?
[11:22] <CountX> AmyRose: try throught the terminal?
[11:22] <CountX> linuxemacs: do it manually?
[11:22] <AmyRose> linuxemacs: I would think sudo aptitude install gcc3.4 or something
[11:23] <linuxemacs> if you type 'sudo aptitude install gcc-3.2', you will recieve an error message.:)
[11:23] <linuxemacs> i couldn't successfully install it on my ubuntu.
[11:23] <CountX> AmyRose: so, when i get to that x config, the part about resolutions, what do i do
[11:24] <CountX> AmyRose: like, do i mark the resolutions i want to use, or mark the ones i dont want to use?
[11:24] <AmyRose> CountX: Just make sure the ones you want are checked
[11:24] <CountX> AmyRose: but i only want one....
[11:24] <CountX> AmyRose: 1440x900
[11:25] <AmyRose> Then only check that one.
[11:25] <AmyRose> :P
[11:25] <CountX> AmyRose:  ok
[11:26] <CountX> AmyRose: it has been done!
[11:26] <CountX> AmyRose: are you still having trouble updateing?
[11:28] <CountX> AmyRose: can you do it from the terminal? like sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:29] <CountX> becuase i couldnt update dpkg with the gui version, but when i run that it fixes it
[11:29] <linuxemacs> why don't you try 'sudo apt-get install -f' command to fix it?
[11:30] <CountX> linuxemacs: it wasnt showing the latest version of dpkg
[11:30] <linuxemacs> oh~sry
[11:30] <CountX> linuxemacs:  like it was showing a day old copy or something
[11:31] <CountX> linuxemacs: i have a question, from now on, since they arent releasing anymore tribes, can we just "sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade" and keep our gutsy partition, or will we have to reinstall from their beta disc?
[11:33] <slackern> CountX: It should work like that but many prefer to do a clean install when it gets released to have a "fresh start" so to speak
[11:34] <linuxemacs> your means uninstall the old version pakcage first, and reinstall the latest beta version? slackern
[11:35] <slackern> oh maybe i missunderstood without my morning coffee, thought you where asking if a tribe5 installation would just need to keep updated&upgrade to become the final release
[11:37] <jscinoz> have any of you used EPM (ESP Package Manager) to create a deb?
[11:38] <CountX> slackern: thats what i wanted to knw
[11:38] <CountX> slackern: like i dont want to have to reinstall, cause that a bitch, and if i dont have to i wanna know
[11:38] <yeager> jscinoz: no, never. checkinstall is my favorite
[11:39] <slackern> !final
[11:39] <AmyRose> CountX: I didn't try that yet, but I heard it's not recommended...
[11:39] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[11:40] <jscinoz> yeager, but checkinstall only works when the program has a make install, the things i package are already compiled
[11:40] <CountX> AmyRose: it seems ubotu recoments it
[11:41] <slackern> CountX: You shouldn't need to reinstall but i can't say for 100% if something comes up that break things or anything like that, i usually do a clean install just to get rid of old crap from installing/testing a ton of packages that sometimes are broken
[11:42] <slackern> CountX: There shouldn't be a need to reinstall though unless you want to do it yourself :)
[11:42] <CountX> slackern: true, and i may have to, but i hope not too
[11:43] <yeager> jscinoz: no open source?
[11:43] <AmyRose> CountX: But I'm still on Feisty.
[11:43] <jscinoz> yeager, probably but i cant find it
[11:43] <jscinoz> its a patch for openoffice that add's .docx support, its normally just a tar.gz but i'm building a deb
[11:44] <AmyRose> CountX: I am trying to upgrade Feisty to Gutsy and the upgrader is giving up
[11:44] <jscinoz> problem is epm doesn't like complex package names, i wanted to call the package "openoffice.org-docx" but it doesnt work >_<
[11:44] <AmyRose> as in before anything actually happens
[11:44] <AmyRose> I know I'm supposed to expect breakage, but this is ridiculous :P
[11:45] <yeager> jscinoz: here is a .rpm you can convert with alien. http://download.novell.com/SummaryFree.jsp?buildid=ESrjfdE4U58%7E
[11:45] <jscinoz> cheers
[11:45] <jscinoz> wait
[11:46] <jscinoz> i tried that, didnt work, because ubuntu needs the files in a different location
[11:46] <jscinoz> apparently
[11:46] <AmyRose> I'm trying to pull any remnants of GNOME and XFCE to lighten the upgrade if I have to use the terminal to do it...
[11:46] <jussi01> AmyRose: make sure you file a bug. that way it will actually get fixed. we rely on people like you to tell us when things are broken
[11:46] <AmyRose> I will try again and report the bug then...
[11:47] <jussi01> !upgrade
[11:47] <AmyRose> It did say to try reporting it as a bug first but I wanted to ask around first
[11:47] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:47] <CountX> AmyRose: i just avoided that who thing, i got a tribe5 iso
[11:47] <jussi01> !bug | AmyRose
[11:47] <ubotu> AmyRose: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:49] <AmyRose> CountX: But I'd like to do it without wiping my hard drive if possible :P
[11:50] <CountX> AmyRose: you can resize an ext3 partition
[11:50] <CountX> AmyRose: just free up like 5gb of space and then when you go to install gutsy the partition manager will let you resize that old partiton and make it smaller, then you have the 5gb for gutsy
[11:50] <AmyRose> Eh...
[11:50] <AmyRose> That's not what I want to do...
[11:51] <CountX> AmyRose: then you can mount your old /home/ from the feisty patition
[11:51] <CountX> thats what i did :)
[11:51] <CountX> you keep all your settings
[11:51] <AmyRose> and it's not what I want to do
[11:51] <AmyRose> I hate multi-booting
[11:51] <CountX> AmyRose: thats cool
[11:52] <CountX> AmyRose: but i dont trust upgrading from feisty to gutsy, thats just me :)
[11:52] <CountX> BTW is there a quick way to disable desktop effects, like a command for it, so i can make a launcher
[11:53] <AmyRose> CountX: But doing it this way gives me the final on the release day :D
[11:57] <Fade> is there a FAQ of gutsy problems with compiz-fusion? when I start compiz I get a white screen, and nothing else.
[11:59] <Fade> for some reason direct rendering is turned off; this is an nvidia system
[12:05] <jussi01> Fade: #ubuntu-effects
[12:05] <Fade> thx
[12:06] <Fade> it's hard to keep track of all the ubuntu related channels these days.
[12:06] <jussi01> :)
[12:20] <hjmills> hi all - has anybody had interesting things happen since the upgrade?
[12:28] <gnubuntu> hjmills:  here is a screenshot from my gutsy compiz fusion bigdesktop (1440x900 + 1280x1024) working with ati fglrx 8.37.6: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7523/compizfusionbigdesktopyl1.png
[12:29] <linuxemacs> nice:?
[12:29] <hjmills> interesting
[12:29] <gnubuntu> yes thats coo! i dont believe thats work now :)
[12:29] <hjmills> dual monitors?
[12:30] <gnubuntu> yes dual monitor but set up as bigdesktop with multiple cubes in cf.
[12:30] <hjmills> im staying clear of compiz since it started randomly freezing for some unknown reason
[12:30] <hjmills> but just after the recent large update my pc froze randomly
[12:30] <linuxemacs> GNOME desktop environment.;)
[12:31] <hjmills> my cpu is also doing "interesting" things
[12:31] <gnubuntu> one bigdesktop works too. i dont habe any freeze or bugs with the latest version.
[12:31] <linuxemacs> but the compizfusion is very slow...
[12:31] <hjmills> X is averaging 10% cpu usage which is loads more than usual
[12:31] <hjmills> and it randomly spikes to 30%
[12:32] <linuxemacs> yes~consume more ram than normal display.
[12:32] <gnubuntu> linuxemacs: i gnome freak :) cf is soo fast with on my ati x1800 and intel core 2 duo.
[12:32] <linuxemacs> but it looks very nice~
[12:33] <linuxemacs> my laptop intel core 2 duo and x1400 video card. but i feel it is slow...
[12:33] <linuxemacs> so i have uninstall it~:(
[12:33] <gnubuntu> linuxemacs: then something wrong with your fglrx driver
[12:34] <jscinoz> what is the device for alsa output in /dev?
[12:34] <linuxemacs> no~~my fglrx driver is right, but the compiz consume much more ram and cup than normal mode.
[12:35] <hjmills> linuxemacs, try asking on #ubuntu-effects
[12:35] <linuxemacs> hehe~~~thx
[12:36] <linuxemacs> i don't wanna optimize compiz,  i only use GNOME environment or KDE.
[12:37] <gnubuntu> hjmills:  so many channels. but thx for the tip.
[12:37] <linuxemacs> but if i install compiz, i found system is very slow when i compile some library.
[12:37] <hjmills> ok, has anybody seen any problems with cpu usage since installing the latest tracker update?
[12:38] <jscinoz> Is there a device in /dev for alsa sound output? it seems /dev/dsp is OSS
[12:39] <hjmills> audio maybe?
[12:39] <hjmills> or adsp?
[12:39] <hjmills> or mixer
[12:39] <hjmills> yes i am guessing
[12:39] <jscinoz> ah mixer would be it
[12:39] <jscinoz> i dont have an adsp :P
[12:40] <hjmills> wonder why I do
[12:40] <jscinoz> darnit that /dev/mixer wasnt it
[12:40] <jscinoz> hmm
[12:40] <jscinoz> i wonder why i dont have an adsp?
[12:40] <hjmills> oh well - can anybody think of a sane reason why my ubuntu (which was installed through debootstrap) wont login to gnome (not even failsafe gnome)
[12:40] <hjmills> jscinoz, what are you trying to do?
[12:40] <laga> hjmills: ownership of your home directory?
[12:41] <linuxemacs> do you use root privilege login to GNOME?
[12:41] <jscinoz> A game called savage, it uses fmod to determine the sound driver, it uses OSS if it is available, however OSS results in slow/crackly sound with this game, and i need to get it to use ALSA, the instructions i found refer to a /dev/adsp which i dont have
[12:41] <linuxemacs> the normal root login to GNOME very well on my ubuntu.
[12:42] <hjmills> linuxemacs, no, thats just insecure :P
[12:42] <hjmills> laga, I think I changed that but I will give it a go
[12:42] <linuxemacs> :p
[12:43] <linuxemacs> i will go home~good bye all~
[12:43] <linuxemacs> :P~~~
[12:46] <hjmills> laga, no, its mine, all mine!
[12:48] <hjmills> laga, just to make things even more odd - sometimes X screws itself so I cant get to the VTTs and have to either ssh in or reboot
[12:50] <nomasteryoda> hjmills, you should edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the quiet splash vga= part of the kernel line
[12:50] <nomasteryoda> that works for me
[12:51] <hjmills> oh ok, thanks - I'll give it a go
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> the vga= dorks up the VTT
[12:51] <jscinoz> should i have a /dev/adsp?
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> you could just do the edit on boot too
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> to test
[12:51] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, I dont think I have the vga bit
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> that's weird
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> only time i have seen that one ... oh well
[12:52] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, It was debootstrapped so all the grub stuff was manual
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> ic
[12:53] <hjmills> what program can I use to watch a log file?
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> tail /var/log/messages -f
[12:53] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, thanks
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> np
[12:53] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, is messages the one to watch for errors during gnome login?
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> think that one is Xorg.log
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> i have not monitored that one in a while
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> Xorg.0.log?
[12:55] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, im watching it now, thanks
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> yup
[12:56] <nomasteryoda> and the 20 for recession out of X
[12:58] <hjmills> in syslog I am getting GLib-CRITICAL: g_key_file_get_string: assertion `key_file != NULL' failed repeated 3 times when I login
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> no info on that... i would have to search launchpad or google
[01:01] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, yeah - should have done that before posting as I did find a bug on it with a (slightly botchy) fix
[01:02] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, now it gets slightly further but gdm restarts - The syslog output is here: http://pastebin.com/d38a0dc36
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> lookin
[01:03] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, the last three lines are occuring after gdm restarts and the network manager stuff is the same as my desktop so I think its fine (atm its on the wired connection)
[01:06] <nomasteryoda> which video driver?
[01:06] <fuoco> what's better to test gutsy, reinstall it or upgrade from a feisty ?
[01:06] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, ati
[01:07] <hjmills> fuoco, test it out for your benefit or to test it to find bugs?
[01:08] <jscinoz> In gutsy, should i have a /dev/adsp?
[01:09] <nomasteryoda> hjmills, look at the "/var/log/gdm/\:0.log"
[01:09] <nomasteryoda> see if you can get more info
[01:09] <fuoco> hjmills: both
[01:10] <hjmills> fuoco, if you want an easy install - do it from scratch - if you want to test gutsy properly then upgrade (if it goes wrong you can install from scratch anyway)
[01:10] <nomasteryoda> jscinoz, i have ... for what its worth
[01:10] <nomasteryoda> fuoco, will be faster than doing all the upgrades
[01:10] <nomasteryoda> honest
[01:11] <fuoco> nomasteryoda: what would be faster?
[01:11] <nomasteryoda> installing fresh
[01:11] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, the only errors in there are from those stupid wacom devices
[01:11] <nomasteryoda> upgrading from tribe5 will go faster
[01:11] <nomasteryoda> ok
[01:12] <nomasteryoda> i have those too.. but when the pad is not connected
[01:12] <nomasteryoda> =D
[01:12] <nomasteryoda> which would happen for most folks
[01:13] <fuoco> thing i would have tried the daily cd but it's oversized
[01:13] <nomasteryoda> well then do the upgrade...
[01:13] <nomasteryoda> we do what we can...
[01:14] <edn2> in gutsy, i'm noticing the dcraw process consistently eating up about 40% of the cpu ... i was about to remove it but it appears to now be required by the ubuntu-desktop package - not sure what to do
[01:14] <nomasteryoda> hjmills, you on a 64bit box?
[01:15] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, yeah, sorry, should have mentioned
[01:15] <nomasteryoda> oh well, it seems lots of other seeing this
[01:15] <nomasteryoda> 32 or 64
[01:16] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, i have a 64bit amd turion X2 and I am running the amd64 bit version of gutsy
[01:17] <nomasteryoda> k
[01:17] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, should I just shunt the gutsy partition aside and use feisty for another month?
[01:18] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, I had been assuming it was something I was missing because i used debootstrap to install it all
[01:18] <nomasteryoda> i would ... in fact, if i reboot and same happens my feisty is waiting on second part.
[01:18] <nomasteryoda> some dev issues to be worked out...
[01:18] <nomasteryoda> for sure
[01:19] <hjmills> nomasteryoda, thanks very much for helping me get this far with it
[01:19] <nomasteryoda> np
[01:19] <nomasteryoda> i learned something from it too
[01:21] <fuoco> can someone check if he's got on his gutsy install a kernel module gspca?
[01:22] <hjmills> fuoco, think so
[01:22] <nomasteryoda> i'm searching
[01:22] <hjmills> fuoco, locate tells me something is there
[01:22] <fuoco> i couldn't find it in the list of installed files by the kernel
[01:23] <fuoco> hjmills: in /lib/modules/{gutsy-kernel}/...
[01:23] <fuoco> ?
[01:24] <hjmills> fuoco, /lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic/ubuntu/media/gspcav1/gspca.ko
[01:24] <hjmills> fuoco, I also have the same for 2.6.22-10-generic
[01:24] <fuoco> hmm
[01:24] <fuoco> ok thx
[01:26] <fuoco> but what's -generic? why not -386?
[01:27] <jscinoz> ugh this is such a bitch
[01:27] <jscinoz> any of you guys played that game "Savage"?
[01:28] <hjmills> fuoco, I think generic is the kernel with everything in and adapts to the right stuff
[01:28] <hjmills> fuoco, and its not i386 because i am on amd64
[01:29] <jscinoz> Anyone know how i can create a /dev/adsp device entry?
[01:31] <jscinoz> is /dev/audio alsa or oss?
[01:34] <jscinoz> ...
[01:42] <yeager> jscinoz: mknod -m 666 /dev/adsp1 c 14 28
[01:42] <jscinoz> does it need to be adsp1 if i dont already have adsp?
[01:43] <yeager> see here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=201138
[01:43] <jscinoz> thank you
[01:43] <yeager> i think alsa should configure them for you
[01:43] <yeager> just symlink adsp0,1,2 or similar to adsp
[01:44] <jscinoz> gah this is so confusing
[01:45] <jscinoz> basically i'm trying to get the game "Savage" to use alsa instead of oss, i finally got that to work, but it guesses which sound device to use which results in crackling sound, a user on their forums says you need to manually tell it where to output to in /dev, however it suggests /dev/adsp which i dont have, and i've tried /dev/dsp /dev/mixer and all the ones in /dev/snd to no avail.
[01:47] <fuoco> hjmills: can you check which package owns  /lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic/ubuntu/media/gspcav1/gspca.ko for you? (with dpkg-query -S )
[01:51] <hjmills> fuoco, /lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic/ubuntu/media/gspcav1/gspca.ko
[01:51] <hjmills> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-generic
[01:51] <fuoco> hjmills: ok, clear now, thx a lot
[01:52] <hjmills> fuoco, sure
[01:52] <darrend> is it possible to make the gnome desktop show an application menu on right-click?
[01:53] <darrend> (I'm more used to xfce where this is configurable)
[02:00] <ReL1K> anyone know how to get dual monitors working, one vga, and one lcd, and not use the laptop screen...grandr just sees my laptop screen and my main lcd
[02:02] <Fracture>  type='text'
[02:02] <Fracture> !info nvidia-glx-new
[02:02] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.11+<IP_ADDRESS>-11.3 (gutsy), package size 4870 kB, installed size 14800 kB
[02:02] <ReL1K> using intel
[02:02] <Fracture> anyone know if 11.14.19 fixes the black window issue ?
[02:03] <sn0> Fracture it fixes the out of memory black window issue yes
[02:04] <Fracture> sn0: any idea when gusty will have it ?
[02:04] <sn0> when using effects
[02:04] <sn0> oh wait 111.14.19 hmm
[02:04] <sn0> i thought that was fied in .11
[02:04] <Fracture> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=5f62fe89384a3f2d4a24f557321acf3c&t=98635
[02:04] <sn0> fixed*
[02:04] <Fracture> says Improved GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap out-of-memory handling.
[02:04] <sn0> cool
[02:04] <Fracture> thats in 100.14.19... .11 still has black window  issue for me
[02:05] <Amaranth> Fracture: yes, it's fixed
[02:05] <Amaranth> it'll be in gutsy soon
[02:05] <Fracture> yeehaa
[02:05] <sn0> nice
[02:05] <Fracture> Amaranth: hwat about vid cards with 128mb ram, when using dual screen ?
[02:06] <Amaranth> Fracture: if you use 100.14.19 no problem
[02:06] <Fracture> Amaranth: that's just cool
[02:06] <Amaranth> Fracture: we are not going to do the memory check
[02:06] <Amaranth> we'll probably just make compiz refuse to work on nvidia-glx, only nvidia-glx-new
[02:06] <fuoco> oh great gspca is not on powerpc
[02:07] <Amaranth> so geforce 4 owners with 128MB of vram get screwed, otherwise none of the other cards the 9631 driver supports have a chance of working right
[02:07] <Fracture> ok.. why would anyone not use -new ?
[02:07] <Amaranth> Fracture: they have an older card
[02:07] <Fracture> ok
[02:07] <sn0> thx Amaranth /me goes to make everyone tea
[02:14] <sandy> can anyone help me i have a problem with my gusty ubuntu , its not getting update and upgrade and any site is not getting open in the firefox can anyone help me plzzzzzz
[02:16] <sandy> anyone there
[02:17] <Ng> sandy: how do you connect to the internet?
 throug st IP
 my net is working fine
[02:18] <Ng> if you're not getting things in firefox or any system upgrades, I submit that your computer is not talking to the internet very well
[02:19] <Ng> perhaps you have some incorrect proxy settings?
 recently i upgrade my system during that time the system got off and this problem came
 Now i am able to chat with you that means that net is working fine
[02:20] <Ng> but web traffic isn't working
[02:21] <Ng> which suggests it's a web proxy issue
[02:21] <Ng> (either you're not using one and you should be, or you're trying to use one and you shouldn't)
[02:22] <sandy> so what should i do now
[02:49] <JDahl> did compiz break in latest upgrade? I cannot start desktop effect anymore
[02:49] <virtuelv> Question: is anyone having problems with compiz-fusion and intel GPU's?
[02:49] <virtuelv> JDahl: I am, at least
[02:50] <JDahl> virtuelv, I have a 965 chipset
[02:50] <virtuelv> dunno exactly what's in mine, but it's in a Lenovo X61s
[02:50] <JDahl> virtuelv, I think it's the same
[02:50] <virtuelv> also, control of the LCD backlight broke
[02:55] <omha> hey
[02:55] <virtuelv> JDahl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/140836
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140836 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "latest xserver-xorg-video-intel breaks desktop effects (dup-of: 140833)" [Undecided,New]
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140833 in ubuntu "Gutsy compiz won't enable on intel 965 laptop after 9/18/07 updates" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:56] <omha> i have a problem where apt-get segfaults when trying to install/upgrade a package
[02:56] <omha> any workarounds/fixes?
[02:57] <JDahl> virtuelv, thanks
[02:57] <ReL1K> JDahl: im having the same problem
[02:57] <ReL1K> JDahl: worked fine for me until i updated last night
[03:03] <Vorbote> A possible solution: Go into single user mode ("sudo telinit 1") go to your home directory "(cd ~luserdir") and rename both .gconf and .gconfd dirs ("mv .gconf .gconf.old && mv .gcond .gconfd.old"). Then go back into multiuser mode ("telinit 2) or reboot (better the latter).
[03:08] <ReL1K> FYI the solution for the intel issue with gutsy and latest xorg intel update works
[03:08] <ReL1K> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/140836
[03:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140836 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "latest xserver-xorg-video-intel breaks desktop effects (dup-of: 140833)" [Undecided,New]
[03:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140833 in ubuntu "Gutsy compiz won't enable on intel 965 laptop after 9/18/07 updates" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:09] <marting> omha: manually download latest dpkg deb, and use "dpkg -i" on it.
[03:09] <marting> omha: there is an entry in launchpad about it i think. it's fixed now, but you have to manually install the update.
[03:15] <ReL1K> anyone else have issues installing sipie on gutsy?
[03:15] <virtuelv> ReL1K: but video will still fail, right?
[03:16] <virtuelv> something else broke for me with the latest update: the backlight on my Lenovo X61s is no longer settable
[03:16] <virtuelv> (And, I presume, it doesn't actually turn back on when i go back from sleep)
[03:17] <ReL1K> i never use the backlight, never tested it
[03:17] <virtuelv> err, nevermind. now it works again
[03:17] <virtuelv> weird
[03:17] <ReL1K> virtuelv, don't use totem, use mplayer
[03:17] <ReL1K> totem fucks up for some reason
[03:17] <ReL1K> or vlc
[03:18] <ReL1K> the 3d cube still isn't working right, it only shows 2 desktops when i have 4
[03:18] <ReL1K> hmmm
[03:18] <ReL1K> i think theres a way to manually edit that
[03:22] <jussi01> hmmm, anyone know what the fixed dpkg version is/if it is fixed yet?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> it is
[03:22] <Hobbsee> (-14)
[03:23] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they 403'd the bad one.
[03:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ahh, nice:)
[03:29] <jussi01> Hobbsee: btw, if you run dolphin, then click go here as root (or similar) in right corner, after doing some actions you close, does your normal dolphin complain about some favourites file?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> jussi01: it was before, i think i chown'd it.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> but it wouldnt surprise me
[03:30] <jussi01> its quite annoying, as you have to change the permissions on that file or remove it to fix it.
[03:30] <jussi01> should I be filing a bug?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> jussi01: upstream.
[03:43] <soc> can someone verify this too?
[03:43] <jussi01> soc: ?
[03:43] <jussi01> Hobbsee: sure
[03:43] <soc> when the problem with gnome-settings-manager was fixed
[03:44] <soc> my touchpad lost the ability to scroll
[03:45] <soc> you know, if you move the finger on the right border it is interpretated as "scroll"
[03:45] <jussi01> soc: many people have had that issue
[03:45] <soc> now the crash in gnome-settings-manager was fixed, and now i can't do that anymore
[03:45] <jussi01> I dont know whatthe fix is
[03:45] <soc> jussi01: gnome-settings-manager oder touchpad?
[03:45] <jussi01> touchpad
[03:50] <soc> jussi01: ah ok
[03:50] <soc> thanks
[04:01] <petal> I just upgraded to Gutsy and now Thunderbird2 crashes with a segmentation fault - Could this be because the 2.0 version of TB I used in Feisty came from a third-party source?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> petal: does it happen with ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla-thunderbird moved out of the way?
[04:04] <branstrom> I upgraded yesterday from feisty to gutsy. I added a repo from launchpad later on, to get the Pidgin 2.2.0 packages: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xhaker/ubuntu gutsy main
[04:04] <branstrom> Now I've removed that repo from sources.list, but there's lots of available updates showing anyways
[04:05] <branstrom> What could be the matter?
[04:05] <petal> Hobbsee: Is .mozilla-thunderbird supposed to be renamed to .thunderbird?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> petal: from 1.5 to 2.0, yes, iirc.
[04:06] <Pici> branstrom: Are you sure that the packages in question are coming from that repo?
[04:06] <branstrom> Pici: not quite, how do I find out for sure?
[04:06] <branstrom> It just shows one version as (gutsy) and the updates as (now)
[04:06] <Pici> branstrom: Make sure that you removed that repo from the sources.list, and do an apt-get update.
[04:07] <Pici> branstrom: I've been getting at least 10 packages to upgrade a day for the past few days.
[04:07] <petal> Hobbsee: The third-party version under Feisty continued to use .mozilla-thunderbird without crashing. Should I try to rename? Or try to reinstall and then copy over?
[04:07] <branstrom> Pici: I'm using Synaptic, and I unchecked the repo and doublechecked to see that it was commented out in sources.list, and then reloaded
[04:07] <branstrom> A minute ago the official repos couldn't be accessed, but now it's fine, but still showing lots of updates
[04:08] <branstrom> Maybe it's just the way it is, though, I don't know
[04:08] <Pici> branstrom: I think if you right click on a package in synaptic, one of the property pages shows you what repo  it is coming from
[04:09] <branstrom> Pici: what's your latest acpi-support? 0.102 or 103?
[04:10] <Pici> .103
[04:10] <branstrom> Ah.
[04:10] <branstrom> Going ahead and upgrading, then.
[04:10] <petal> Hobbsee: Trying to delete EVERYTHING now and then see what happens... If all goes well I might be able to copy over the whole profile (I hope).
[04:10] <Pici> I don't have any unofficial repos either.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> petal: just move it out of the way.  i dont remember, anymore
[04:12] <slytherin> branstrom: Gutsy is still under development. So expect package updates everyday.
[04:12] <slytherin> Anybody here having problem deleting printer from the System->Administration->Printing dialog?
[04:13] <branstrom> slytherin: yes, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't upgrading to all the packages from that launchpad repo in some odd way. The updates showed up when I reloaded after I had added that repo, and then didn't disappear when I unchecked it in Synaptic. Which confused me.
[04:15] <petal> Hobbsee: Hm... the freshly installed one still created .mozilla-thunderbird instead of .thunderbird
[04:16] <petal> Hobbsee: Does that really matter?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> petal: it uses .thunderbird now
[04:17] <Hobbsee> and yes, it will matter
[04:17] <ReL1K> anyone got dual monitors working on intel  gm965?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> so move the .thunderbird one out of teh way, and see if it still segfaults
[04:19] <DanaG> Odd: recent updates have broken my brightness control.
[04:19] <DanaG> It used to work everywhere, including the console.
[04:20] <DanaG> Now it doesn't seem to work even under Xorg.
[04:20] <petal> Hobbsee: Still segfaults.
[04:20] <DanaG> s/doesn't seem/seems not/
[04:21] <petal> Hobbsee: The only idea I have now is installing TB on a Feisty machine I have & manually exporting and then importing everything... maybe that'll work.
[04:21] <petal> Hobbsee: But porting my whole profile just messes things up.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> petal: if it's isolated to not be a profile issue, then...
[04:22] <slytherin> ReL1K: Have you tried using System->Administration->Screen and Graphics?
[04:27] <jermes> hey
[04:28] <jermes> when i try to upgrade apt dies with a segfault
[04:30] <Pici> jermes: follow the instructions here to change to a stable version: http://launchpad.net/bug/140739
[04:30] <jermes> thanks
[04:30] <jermes> 404
[04:31] <Pici> er
[04:31] <Pici> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/140739
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released]
[04:32] <Hobbsee> bug 140739
[04:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[04:35] <Pici> that works too.
[04:35] <Trewas> hmm, what evil did they do to fonts now, they are very blurry now after upgrade
[04:36] <Pici> Trewas: check out the dpi setting under preferences>appearance>fonts
[04:38] <BockBilbo> hello
[04:38] <BockBilbo> any of you using network-manager to access to an OpenVPN server?
[04:39] <BockBilbo> im having trouble with the default route
[04:39] <ShackJack> Hi fellow monkeys!  ARRRGH... I'm having some issue with Gutsy not automountiing USB keys and the like lately... Most times the device will show in lsusb (though sometimes not in the case of my external USB hard drive)... Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same issues lately?
[04:40] <ShackJack> (the ARRGH is my attempt to "talk like a pirate" in IM mode - not an exclamation of frustration ;))
[04:40] <CountX> is there anything that can run windows virtually, and run openGL programs effeciently
[04:41] <CountX> virtualbox is very slow at this
[04:41] <ShackJack> CountX: No, not yet...
[04:41] <CountX> ShackJack: damn...
[04:41] <LjL> CountX: vmware has direct3d (but not opengl) support, but it's experimental.
[04:41] <LjL> use wine if you're lucky enough to have applications that work on it
[04:41] <Trewas> I guess font rendering was changed by purpose in new libfreetype6 package from yesterday, too bad that the previous rendering was far better
[04:41] <CountX> LjL: for some reason i cant install vmware
[04:42] <CountX> LjL: nope, the program need .net 2.0
[04:42] <ShackJack> Trewas: My fonts always look great on my 1680x1050 notebook screen :)
[04:42] <CountX> LjL: where would you suggest installing vmware from?
[04:42] <ShackJack> CountX: It's in the repos...
[04:42] <LjL> CountX: vmware-player package from multiverse
[04:42] <CountX> LjL: and that can run d3d?
[04:43] <Trewas> ShackJack: heh, I guess the change is not too obvious with high resolution, this is 12" 1024x768 laptop display so the added blur is quite obvious
[04:43] <LjL> CountX: i think it has the same d3d abilities that vmware workstation has (although it's probably not the very latest version), since easyvmx gives and option for that
[04:44] <ShackJack> Trewas: Yeah my desktop's 19" 1280x1024 monitor is a bit iffy, but not terrible... Though a recent update borked the nvidia driver so I'm missing my eye-candy...
[04:44] <jgm> Is there any news on when the nvidia driver is likely to make a return?
[04:44] <CountX> LjL:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:44] <CountX>   vmware-player-kernel-modules: Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 which is a virtual package.
[04:45] <CountX> LjL: and the solution for that is to not install anything...
[04:45] <LjL> likely that sort of stuff isn't in place yet for gutsy...
[04:45] <LjL> i'm on feisty, so not sure
[04:45] <CountX> poo
[04:47] <CountX> so what am i just totaly effed?
[04:47] <CountX> like, i am seriousy damned?
[04:48] <CountX> this means that there is no chance, like whatso ever for linux to be useful for me.....i mean, like there is no way to run this ONE program, that is like the only program i ever need, truely need, and i cant run it...
[04:49] <CountX> so me spending the past 2 weeks learing about linux, has been a waste of time??
[04:49] <CountX> im going to file a bug report...
[04:49] <LjL> you shouldn't rely on linux to run *windows* programs... sometimes it can run them, but you certainly shouldn't assume it does!
[04:49] <LjL> a bug report about not being able to run a windows program?
[04:49] <CountX> the program runs in openGL
[04:50] <LjL> err... so what, if it's for windows?
[04:50] <CountX> no, a comment on bug#1
[04:50] <LjL> ah well
[04:50] <Fracture> !info nvidia-glx-new
[04:50] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.11+<IP_ADDRESS>-11.3 (gutsy), package size 4870 kB, installed size 14800 kB
[04:50] <LjL> note we tend to try to *replace* proprietary software with free software that runs on linux, generally, in the oss community
[04:50] <CountX> !bug#1
[04:50] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[04:50] <LjL> not to just make windows programs run
[04:50] <LjL> and, the best way to achieve that is to start coding ;)
[04:51] <CountX> LjL: i would learn a new program, if it could open a .max file
[04:51] <CountX> LjL: ive already been studying for 7 years to be a computer artist, not going to go into the opposite field :P
[04:52] <jepler> see also: the importance of open formats
[04:52] <LjL> CountX: i didn't say that program exists, i said filing bugs about programs that don't exist is unlikely to elicit much response... writing said programs, is.
[04:52] <LjL> right
[04:52] <LjL> what the heck is a .max file anyway
[04:52] <Pici> 3DStudio
[04:52] <CountX> !3dsmax
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3dsmax - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <CountX> !3dstudiomax
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3dstudiomax - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <jgm> Doesn't blender import .max?
[04:52] <CountX> !3dstudio
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3dstudio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <CountX> jgm: not to the best of my knowledge
[04:53] <slytherin> CountX: If you arew looking for 3D graphics design program then try blender. It will take time to learn it but it is pretty good.
[04:53] <CountX> slytherin: who said i was looking?
[04:53] <CountX> slytherin: name one professional business that uses blender as part of their pipeline
[04:54] <slytherin> CountX: The reason professional business don't try something new is because they want to avoid learning curve.
[04:54] <CountX> not to be a D*** but yeah, it kinda doesnt help when everyone already uses a particular program, to go out and learn a completely different one
[04:55] <jepler> CountX: you're welcome to feel that way, but understand that this isn't a place to get sympathy
[04:55] <CountX> slytherin: im not trying to change the world, i just want to get a yob
[04:55] <ShackJack> I'm having some issue with Gutsy not automountiing USB keys and the like lately... Most times the device will show in lsusb (though sometimes not in the case of my external USB hard drive)... Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same issues lately?
[04:55] <CountX> ShackJack: i'll let you know tomorrow, when i head over to my work and get me usb drive back
[04:56] <CountX> and/or file a bug report with the most specifics i can
[04:56] <slytherin> CountX: Yes. and that is the thing that is wrong with 'getting job' They are not looking for an artist. They are looking for someone who knows how to use 3dsmax. That is the wrong approach.
[04:57] <ShackJack> 3dsmax? Why not Blender ;)
[04:57] <CountX> jepler, slytherindont: dont get me wrong, i love linux, it just kinda sucks that i missed out on a lot of time i could have been working on learning to use blender :)
[04:57] <slytherin> ShackJack: I haven't observed that till yesterday. But then I am only using my digicam in USB mode and not tried with usb disk
[04:57] <CountX> my laptop has a SD card slot and it works fine
[04:58] <ShackJack> slytherin: Does the cam show up when you lsusb? (just curious?)
[04:58] <CountX> it even puts the icon of a little SD card on my  desktop
[04:59] <slytherin> ShackJack: Didn't bother to check. It just mounts as usb device.
[04:59] <CountX> are there any good .max to blender converters?
[04:59] <slytherin> CountX: no idea.
[04:59] <ShackJack> CountX: Blender reads/write max natively, I beleive...
[04:59] <CountX> ShackJack: no shit?
[04:59] <jepler> http://www.katsbits.com/htm/google_faq.php?subaction=showfull&id=1172781635&archive=&start_from=&ucat=12&
[04:59] <jepler> Q) Is there a blender to .max importer?
[04:59] <jepler> A) There isn't one, at least nothing that's fit for public consumption. The *.max format is similar in principle to Blenders *.blend file in that it saves everything to do a given scene; it's a working format so that's to be expected.
[04:59] <CountX> !blender
[04:59] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[05:00] <CountX> ty ubotu
[05:00] <CountX> !snack
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <CountX> how do you give ubotu a snack?
[05:00] <slackern> My USB stick showed up on my desktop here too Kubuntu/Gutsy
[05:01] <jepler> CountX: why would you want to do that?
[05:01] <CountX> jepler: you know
[05:01] <slackern> !botsnack
[05:01] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:01] <CountX> haha
[05:01] <CountX> !botsnack
[05:01] <CountX> ....
[05:01] <jepler> if you're just trying to find out something for yourself, it would be better to: /msg ubotu blender
[05:02] <slackern> I think ubotu is stuffed now :)
[05:02] <CountX> jepler: ok, but, are you trying to say im making the room a little flooded?
[05:02] <CountX> jepler: cause its pretty quiet, theres like 4 people active
[05:02] <jepler> bbl
[05:02] <ShackJack> jepler: The Blender features list says it reads and writes to: 3D Studio - is that the same as .max?
[05:06] <CountX> ShackJack: no
[05:06] <CountX> ShackJack: thats .3ds
[05:07] <CountX> ShackJack: .max is way more recent, like max 8/9
[05:07] <CountX> ShackJack: and the soon max 2008
[05:08] <ShackJack> CountX: Ahhh my mad -- at any  rate... I bet you could save to  a "universal" format they  both understand perhaps?
[05:09] <CountX> ShackJack: that kinda makes the pipeline a little strange, but maybe
[05:09] <CountX> ShackJack: we use zbrush too so its like, theres a good amount of converting already
[05:13] <hjmills> CountX, surely you should be asking the kind developers of max 2008 to support open formats in addition to .max or to open the .max format before complaining other developers haven't bent over backwards to accomodate your preferred software?
[05:14] <CountX> hjmills: you think they care?
[05:15] <hjmills> CountX, well if enough people request it as a feature then they will have to consider it else you could stop using their software
[05:16] <CountX> hjmills: i dont even own a copy, what do they care
[05:16] <hjmills> CountX, do you think the blender devs care (enough to reverse engineer a proprietary file format) when they don't get paid so don't really mind if a few people dont use their software)
[05:16] <hjmills> CountX, then why do you need to convert to their formats?
[05:16] <CountX> hjmills: so i can work at home
[05:17] <hjmills> CountX, what do you use at work and at home?
[05:17] <CountX> hjmills: i use max/zbrush at work, and nothing at home
[05:18] <hjmills> CountX, therefore you are a user at work so should ask the developers of max to support open file formats or to open the max format
[05:18] <CountX> hjmills: what format would you suggest to keep all animation/texture/geometry/lighting/rigging/skin weighting while converting?
[05:19] <CountX> hjmills: as far as i know obj is terrible at that
[05:19] <CountX> hjmills: all cameras go haywire, i dont even want to think about what it does to animation, let alone skin weights
[05:20] <hjmills> CountX, I really don't know anything about the software you are using but I know (roughly) how hard it is to support a proprietary format by reverse engineering it
[05:21] <CountX> hjmills: yeah, well the fact is that there is no universal open source format
[05:21] <CountX> hjmills: they all are good for one specific thing
[05:21] <CountX> hjmills: the only good stuff for all around 3d is proprietary
[05:21] <hjmills> could you not find a windows program to convert .max to .3ds then convert to that before you go home so u can open that in blender and work at home, save in 3ds and convert back to .max at work
[05:22] <CountX> .3ds looses all the stuff i work on
[05:22] <CountX> i do animation, .3ds looses all the skin weights
[05:22] <CountX> which means i would have to do it allll over again
[05:22] <hjmills> CountX, looks like the developers of Max have you in a nice little vendor lock in then
[05:23] <CountX> hjmills: like i said, there is no other format to convert to, there is nothing else that has the amount of detail in saving all your work
[05:24] <CountX> hjmills: if you look at it that way they have provided something opensource apparently cant
[05:25] <hjmills> CountX, well yes, but you do pay for the extra features (and pay for more next time you buy the upgrade probably)
[05:25] <hjmills> CountX, while you cant do everything with open source software, you can do 99% and it comes out a lot cheaper
[05:25] <CountX> hjmills: its yearly subscription
[05:26] <CountX> hjmills: well it doesnt really matter when i dont have to pay for it, the company does
[05:26] <hjmills> CountX, fair enough - but regardless, someone somewhere still pays the developers whereas the developers of blender (and other OSS projects) only get donations
[05:27] <CountX> hjmills: and that makes it better?
[05:27] <CountX> hjmills: its all a matter of 3ds max not making it open source, no the OTHER open source programs
[05:28] <hjmills> CountX, It's logical for people getting paid to produce a better product than people working for nothing
[05:28] <CountX> hjmills: exactly, its just they dont want to loose any money by releasing it open source and people stealing it and calling it something else
[05:28] <ShackJack> hjmills: Wouuld a case study for that assertion be Microsoft WIndows :P
[05:29] <hjmills> ShackJack, exceptions to every rule :P
[05:29] <CountX> ShackJack: thats what we are really talking about ;(
[05:30] <hjmills> CountX, they only have to open the file format - not the whole program - so that other programs can support their files making it easier to incorporate max studio into the production cycle
[05:30] <ShackJack> I do not work in the 3d modeling field, but just from what I seen of Blender final results, it seems like most anything can be done with it :)
[05:31] <hjmills> Another example is the gimp - it is very powerful but the strange interface means people cant find the features they are used to
[05:31] <ShackJack> hjmills: Have you seen Gimp 2.4 in gutsy - big changes - much better usability...
[05:32] <hjmills> ShackJack, I noticed it had a nice splash...
[05:32] <ShackJack> hjmills: Take a second look at the menu structure... it's a bit more familiar, wouldn't you say...
[05:32] <hjmills> ShackJack, now you mention it I did notice some changes (I barely use graphics programs)
[05:33] <hjmills> ShackJack, yeah - much better
[05:33] <ShackJack> Its much more similar to photoshop - not a clone mind you, but easier for someone used to PS...
[05:33] <CountX> ShackJack: agreed
[05:33] <ShackJack> Though I still wish they went with a single window interface, or at least gave the option :)
[05:33] <hjmills> ShackJack, yeah - I tend to run it on a different virtual desktop
[05:34] <ShackJack> I think VD's were made for GIMP :)
[05:34] <ShackJack> Though I like to have my taskbar show windows from all desktops, so it still clutters it up... But I also have PS3 running on WinXP in VirtualBox, so meh...
[05:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi all
[05:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gutsy modutils is ignoring my blacklist
[05:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is this normal for some reason?
[05:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hhmpf
[05:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> reboot
[05:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> here again
[05:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I was asking how to blacklist modules in gutsy
[06:01] <hjmills> Le-Chuck_ITA, look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know but it's not working
[06:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I thought that maybe modutils have changed
[06:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> neither is modprobe.d
[06:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh I meant neither is putting files with .blacklist ext
[06:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> blacklist thermal
[06:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> blacklist processor
[06:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> lsmod|grep processor
[06:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> processor              31944  2 acpi_cpufreq,thermal
[06:03] <jussi01> !enter | Le-Chuck_ITA
[06:03] <ubotu> Le-Chuck_ITA: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:03] <hjmills> I have a file called /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. If I put lines like "blacklist thermal" in there and reboot then the thermal module isnt loaded
[06:03] <hjmills> Le-Chuck_ITA, if you just want to unload a module then use sudo rmmod
[06:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hjmills: I have the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and I wrote there the two lines mentioned above, I absolutely need that these two modules are not loaded, and they are being loaded automatically. rmmod removes them as it should, do you have gutsy right now?
[06:05] <hjmills> Le-Chuck_ITA, yes
[06:06] <hjmills> Le-Chuck_ITA, hence why I am here (#ubuntu+1)
[06:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and you have some blacklisted module and it's not being loaded?
[06:06] <hjmills> Le-Chuck_ITA, I dont need to blacklist any modules at the moment
[06:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok :)
[06:07] <hjmills> check you are using the alias stuff?
[06:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmmm maybe
[06:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> $ grep -R processor /etc/modprobe.d/
[06:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist:blacklist processor
[06:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no, there is no alias involved here :)
[06:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> seems like the file isn't being read
[06:17] <petal> After hours of trying to fix Thunderbird 2.0 + Lightning-Calendar I can surely claim now that Thunderbird2.0+Lightning breaks in Gutsy... at least for now... Just FYI.
[06:18] <slanning> woo, I find 150 updates today - is it getting close to release time? (rhetorical question :)
[06:19] <yeager> gnome 2.20 was released. that's probably the reason
[06:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for reference: bug #133434
[06:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133434 in module-init-tools "I can't blacklist network drivers modules in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133434
[06:29] <Jaymac> Does anyone else have a problem with Sound-Juicer seg faulting when changing the output format to ogg?
[06:31] <GuyFromHell> where should i look to change ownership of those autogenerated /proc/acpi/ibm things?
[06:36] <ReL1K> chown?
[06:38] <AmyRose> OH THANK HEAVENS
[06:39] <AmyRose> I was SO worried that Gutsy would have a prerelease like Breezy did...
[06:39] <AmyRose> I remember how horrible that was...
[06:40] <AmyRose> At least it happened before the BetaFreeze :)
[06:44] <Rotund> I couldn't upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy w/o changing a file.  /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/DistUpgradeFetcher.py needed to import os and import dbus
[06:44] <Rotund> Just thought I should note it as Launchpad took a pooper on me.
[06:56] <leperAFK> How do I figure out if direct rendering is working or not?
[06:58] <lemonade> glxinfo
[06:59] <leperAFK> yeah,  I still don't have direct rendering.  *sigh*
[06:59] <leperAFK> I've been trying to fix this for a week.
[07:01] <rothchild> hi, I'm having trouble with the settings manager in gnome it freezes and won't let me select tabs etc when I press 'customise' it the selection pane is whited out - works on my desktop though, where should I be looking?
[07:02] <rothchild> is there a config file that might be broken?
[07:11] <mirak> what is the release date of ubuntu+1 ?
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> never!
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> thats why its +1
[07:14] <VousDeux> I just came for lunch and found that my computer had rebooted sometime between now and last night. Where can I look to find out what happened to it?
[07:15] <Mirv> hello, I'd guess this is a FAQ so here goes: why update-manager -d (or -dc) does not show gutsy anymore in feisty, or does it show it for you?
[07:15] <Mirv> I'd like to test upgrading with the update-manager in order to find out if there are bugs, but it's not offered
[07:16] <Mirv> I did show the upgrade to 7.10 to me a month ago or so
[07:17] <Mirv> s/I/it/
[07:22] <rothchild> fixed the control panel, didn't have metacity-themes installed for some reason!
[07:23] <rothchild> also what is the effect called when the windows move around each other as you select them? - I've turned it off somehow and I'd like it back