[02:09] <bjsnider> can someone delete an orig tarball from the ppa system for me?
[02:20] <persia> bjsnider: That's unlikely to happen, because someone might have downloaded it or otherwise be relying on it.
[02:20] <bjsnider> persia, i'm about to upload a new tarball with the same name, but the old one is in the way
[02:21] <persia> bjsnider: I understand.  The PPA system is not designed to support that use case.
[02:21] <persia> This was an intentional decision.
[02:22] <bjsnider> it will be deleted automatically in 7 days anywa
[02:24] <bjsnider> the programmer released a new version without bumping the version number
[02:24] <bjsnider> he's certainly acting the part of a numbskull
[02:30] <persia> bjsnider: The typical response is to publish a tarball like foo_1.2.3+oughtbe124.tar.gz or similar.
[02:31] <bjsnider> are you kidding me?
[02:33] <persia> bjsnider: No.  There are a fairly large number of people who believe that a given path should represent a given static object with a known checksum.
[02:33] <persia> So http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../foo_1.2.3.tar.gz would *always* be the same.
[02:33] <persia> And if it changed, it would have a different name as well.
[02:34] <persia> The package management systems used in Debian-derived distributions rely on this assumption.
[02:34] <bjsnider> i was just thinking of writing this guy an angry, pithy email, but to rename the orig tarball...
[02:35] <bjsnider> can you give me a real world example of a tarball being renamed because the number should have been bumped and wasn't?
[02:40] <persia> I don't seem to have any installed on my system right now.
[02:40] <persia> I remember there being some like that in the past, but I can't remember specifics.
[02:44] <bjsnider> would 0.31.0+latest be considered newer than 0.31.0?
[02:45] <persia> bjsnider: Yes, but use dpkg --compare-versions to verify (dpkg knows better than anyone on IRC)
[03:01] <bjsnider> persia, the system swallowed that. thanks for the guidance
[03:02] <persia> bjsnider: No problem.  Thanks for understanding the policy that makes it so.
[03:05] <bjsnider> oh, i don't question it, i just wonder why this guy didn't bump the version number
[03:07] <persia> Some upstreams seem to not understand that having two releases with the same version may confuse users.  I generally see it when the only changes are in comments or licensing or similar stuff that upstream doesn't expect will change behaviour.
[03:13] <bjsnider> well i'll tell you
[03:13] <bjsnider> this tarball was 200k smaller than the previous one, which accounts for 35% of its total size
[03:14] <persia> oh my.
[03:14] <bjsnider> there were obviously significant changes
[03:14] <bjsnider> and in the changelog too
[03:14] <persia> Do send upstream a note requesting a bump :)
[03:14] <spiv> Why is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nmb/bzr/mkdir-recursive-253529/+merge/19488 still in "updating diff" after almost two weeks?
[03:14] <bjsnider> he ony bumped the part after the last dash
[03:15] <mwhudson> spiv: i guess something broke
[03:33] <thumper> spiv: because lp:~nmb/bzr/mkdir-recursive-253529 doesn't exist yet
[03:41] <spiv> thumper: then I guess that merge proposal page should say that, rather than "updating diff" :)
[03:41] <thumper> spiv: file a bug :)
[06:10] <poolie> spm, so, what's the deal, do you want me to update  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/tuolumne-lp-configs/bzr-graphs/+merge/20357 ?
[06:12] <spm> poolie: actually is all proposed and waiting: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~spm/tuolumne-lp-configs/fix_bzr-graphs/+merge/20423 which I suspect you can't see. I was going to chase tom on same; but am ~ 60% tempted to get a Q&D cross check from yourself and make it live
[06:24] <poolie> no, i can't see it
[06:24] <poolie> what you said previously makes sense
[06:24] <poolie> i'm in no screaming hurry to have it today rather than tomorrow
[06:24] <poolie> just don't want it to stall
[06:25] <poolie> based on what you said before it seems safe to merge but i don't know what the normal practice is for tuolumne
[06:37] <Zus> can evolution open more than one email address at one time? im trying to get the gpg key to work in terminal but i get msg failed: file open error, the next easier step i would think is open  my mail in evolution but it has an email adress asigned to it already...
[06:49] <Zus> firegpg add on said  gmail support is broken to use the one on the site...the site said if i have linux  it should be in my repositories, there was another way by saving the email in a txt file and using the terminal to read the encrytped mail....that doesnt work.... would evo lution work even though i already have an email address  pinned to it? (can i add another email address to evolution?)
[07:13] <Zus> nevermind  i got  :)
[07:20] <arand> I'm getting a "not allowed here" for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity that's not as it should be right?
[07:21] <spiv> arand: yeah, sounds like a bug
[07:21] <arand> Also getting that if I disable edge redirect...
[07:22] <wgrant> There's a bug on that. you can see it if you log out.
[07:22]  * wgrant digs.
[07:22] <spiv> Something to do with related_ppa_versions?
[07:23] <wgrant> Bug #514824
[07:23] <wgrant> So, yes.
[07:25] <wgrant> I wonder if I can coerce somebody into RCing the one-line fix.
[07:27] <spm> day and a half out from a full release? /me waggles hand. 50/50 chance.
[07:28] <wgrant> Exactly.
[07:33] <arand> ok, good to know it's being looked into.
[08:50] <merlijn-> Hi, is this the right place to ask questions about Landscape?
[08:51] <lifeless> no, but it will do while I find out the right place for you
[08:51] <lifeless> what sort of stuff do you want to know?
[08:51] <merlijn-> I'm building a testsetup with Enterprise Cloud functionality
[08:51] <merlijn-> but I'm having trouble connecting Landscape to my Cloud
[08:51] <lifeless> UEC you mean?
[08:52] <merlijn-> yes
[08:52] <lifeless> I believe you need to ensure your cloud has its endpoint exposed on port 443, using ssl
[08:52] <lifeless> I've enquired about the right place to discuss it
[08:52] <lifeless> there appears to be a #landscape
[08:53] <merlijn-> so with the default setup, I should setup stunnel to pipe SSL on 443 to port 8773
[08:53] <merlijn-> #landscape appears pretty empty :)
[08:53] <lifeless> yes, but the folk there are core devs on the project
[08:54] <merlijn-> oh nice, only one of them had a cloak
[08:54] <merlijn-> anyway, let me try setting up stunnel on port 443
[08:57] <merlijn-> one problem is that I have read that Landscape will only work with real ssl certs (aka not self signed)
[08:57] <merlijn-> it seems a little off to buy one of those while just doing evaluation of the product
[09:11] <Zus> anyone still around? on the pgp/ gpg key id thats the  4 digit / 8 digit ? (the key type/id)? also wich is public and wich is the one i should keep private
[10:06] <Zus> can anyone tell me why i cannot sign the UCoC? when i run the terminal part i gfet a file error
[10:21] <Zus> can anyone tell me why i cannot sign the UCoC? when i run the terminal part i gfet a file error
[10:22] <persia> Zus: The number of people who joined or left in the time between your queries is much smaller than the entirety of the channel.
[10:23] <persia> !pgp
[10:23] <persia> Zus: try those links.  If that doesn't work, try https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[10:24] <persia> If that doesn't work, try asking in a support forum more closely aligned with the UCoC (like #ubuntu)
[10:24] <Zus>  oops..
[10:25] <Zus> i got all the wya to where i donwloaded the  ucoc and have to run the terminal
[12:38] <jussi01> Im loving the error ID's for LP... starting with "OOPS-" :D
[12:38] <jussi01> mind, it sucks that I cant file a bug :/
[12:40]  * jussi01 tries with edge disabled
[12:44] <jussi01> ok, disabled edge and now it works :)
[12:44] <wgrant> jussi01: That's not a solution; production adopts something very close to edge's code in about 36 hours.
[12:45] <jussi01> wgrant: right, is an error code useful to you?
[12:45] <wgrant> jussi01: Not to me, but to most other people it will be.
[12:45] <wgrant> So mentioning it here might be good.
[12:45] <jussi01> wgrant: sure: (Error ID: OOPS-1522EB454)
[12:54] <james_w> jussi01: you were filing a bug about the ubuntu website?
[12:55] <jussi01> james_w: correct
[12:55] <james_w> you know there is an ubuntu-website project?
[12:55] <jussi01> james_w: I was filing against ubuntu-website, is that incorrect?
[12:56] <jussi01> james_w: I did get the bug filed eventually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/530653
[12:56] <james_w> package?
[12:56] <james_w> err, that's against ubuntu :-)
[12:56] <jussi01> james_w: I blame ogra :D
[12:57] <jussi01> [14:27:33] <ogra> a bug against the ubuntu-website product might work (and my misinterpretation) :D
[12:57] <james_w> anyway the oops seems to be a timeout doing the query for related bugs
[12:57] <jussi01> james_w: so, where should I be filing that bug? what is the correct process?
[12:58] <james_w> the ubuntu-website one?
[12:58] <jussi01> yes
[12:58] <james_w> I'll reassign
[12:58] <jussi01> thanks, mucha apreciated.
[12:58]  * james_w grumbles at the project picker
[12:58] <jussi01> james_w: btew, who should I be bothering about the other bug (see #ubuntu-community-team)
[12:59] <james_w> bug 488394?
[12:59] <jussi01> james_w: yes :)
[13:00] <james_w> shouldn't be too hard to fix I think
[13:01] <james_w> oh, wgrant gives a different suggestion for doing it that might be more work
[13:01] <jussi01> james_w: yeah, wgrant said similar, just a matter of doing it, no?
[13:01] <jussi01> heh
[13:01] <james_w> yeah, I was suggesting you could bother yourself about it :-)
[13:02] <jussi01> james_w: I have no coding experience sadly. wgrants comment was:
[13:02] <jussi01> [12:58:39] <wgrant> jussi01: Replied on the bug with the solution. It's trivial.
[13:05] <nigelb> jussi01: what about?
[13:06] <jussi01> nigelb: ?
[13:06] <nigelb> jussi01: I saw the words trivial and bug ;)
[13:06] <nigelb> anything I can help?
[13:06] <jussi01> nigelb: bug 488394
[13:06] <jussi01> nigelb: theres a suggestion on the bug on how to fix
[13:07] <nigelb> jussi01: If I can understand and manage, I'll try :)
[13:07] <jussi01> and I think james_whad another idea
[13:08] <nigelb> oh ?
[13:08] <nigelb> I dont understand it though
[13:08] <nigelb> but if someone's willing to give me a much more clearer idea, I can think about it
[13:09] <jussi01> nigelb: Im not sure of LP's code either :D
[13:10] <nigelb> I've worked wiht the API, but never actually coded it
[13:10] <jussi01> nigelb: although, if you are looking for trivial bugs, with python involved... we have one over in #ubuntu-bots-devel for you :D
[13:39] <fta2> this build seems to be stuck: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+build/1539122  :(
[13:40] <wgrant> bigjools: Are the repeated bohrium hangs recognised?
[14:12] <bigjools> fta2: I'm on it
[14:12] <fta2> bigjools, thanks
[14:41] <persia> Has there been a change to launchpad in the past couple weeks that makes me log in more often?  I seem to get asked multiple times a day, and I generally always have at least one LP window open in my browser.
[14:44] <jml> persia, on edge?
[14:44] <persia> jml: on production
[14:44] <persia> It's only been about 5 days that it's been > 1/day though.
[14:44] <jml> persia, then there hasn't been a change to Launchpad in the past couple of weeks.
[14:44] <persia> Hrm.
[14:44] <jml> persia, maybe it's to do with the openid stuff.
[14:44]  * persia wonders what else might be the cause.
[14:45] <jml> persia, at least, not that I know of.
[14:45] <persia> jml: Ah, because the identity provider isn't part of "launchpad"?
[14:45] <jml> persia, in the sense that it's a separate service with a separate code base managed to a different release schedule by another team, yes.
[14:46] <persia> Excellent.  Do you know if they have a support channel?
[14:47] <jml> #is on canonical's IRC server, I think.
[14:49]  * persia tries #canonical-sysadmin hoping that's close enoug
[15:18] <SiNiESTrO> http://staging.launchpad.net doesn't work
[15:18] <SiNiESTrO> :(
[15:36] <jml> SiNiESTrO, it's down atm while we update it.
[15:36] <SiNiESTrO> Ok! no problem
[15:37] <SiNiESTrO> I have a question... Is it possible to create a distribution project in Launchpad demo?
[15:38] <jml> no.
[16:53] <mthaddon> jml: until the transition of from login.launchpad.net SSO as completely external to LP, login issues should still be handled here, I think
[16:54] <jml> mthaddon, ahh, ok. my bad.
[17:32] <quappa> I tried to % bzr branch lp:lernid and got this: bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "<Fault -1: 'OOPS-1522XMLP97'>")
[17:33] <quappa> google returns 0 results and nothing on help.launchpad.net
[17:33] <quappa> the URL from ubottu is password protected
[17:41] <maxb> quappa: Try again, it works for me, so perhaps it was just a momentary glitch
[17:46] <quappa> maxb, no, it's persists. what's more, all my attempts to use lp: with bzr ends with this error
[17:48] <maxb> Hmm. I guess it must be specific to your user.
[17:48] <beuno> hrm
[17:48] <beuno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/387132/
[17:49] <beuno> rockstar, abentley, ^
[17:50] <abentley> quappa, what is your launchpad user-id?
[17:51] <quappa> abentley, it's "kkapp"
[17:51] <rockstar> beuno, wtf?  What were you doing?
[17:51] <beuno> rockstar, not me, quappa
[17:52] <rockstar> quappa, is your email address hidden?
[17:52] <abentley> quappa, this looks like a disabled account.  Is that correct?
[17:53] <quappa> rockstar, no, I visisted my account page on the web -- "Hide email address" is not checked
[17:54] <quappa> abentley, why would it be disabled? I never used it for anything except bug reporting and commenting.
[17:54] <rockstar> quappa, are you sure you gave us the right user-id?
[17:55] <quappa> rockstar, this is my page  https://launchpad.net/~kkapp/
[17:55] <quappa> display name is "Алексей Капранов (Alex Kapranoff)" -- cyrillic and latin.
[17:56] <abentley> quappa, the user icon is our grey "inactive person" icon
[17:57] <quappa> abentley, it's grey here too. I've never changed by user icon from default, btw.
[17:58] <abentley> quappa, normally, that would mean it was in colour.
[17:59] <abentley> quappa, like this: https://launchpad.net/@@/person-logo
[17:59] <quappa> abentley, when I visit https://launchpad.net/~kkapp/+edit I see blue default "mugshot"
[18:00] <quappa> abentley, but the small one is still grey. what should I do to fix it? can it be related to that OOPS-XML error from bzr?
[18:01] <abentley> quappa, I suspect it's the cause of the oops-xml error.  I am checking with some people who know more about this.
[18:02] <quappa> abentley, thanks a lot.
[18:04] <deryck> I seem to be getting mail to the launchpad lists much slower than everyone else today.
[18:04] <abentley> quappa, have you changed the email address registered with Launchpad recently?
[18:04]  * deryck will worry about it after lunch
[18:06] <abentley> quappa, also, do you happen to know when you registered your account?
[18:07] <quappa> abentley, I cannot even find such an option in my interface now. there's details and branding. I don't think I changed my email address recently.
[18:08] <quappa> abentley, oldest emails from launchpad I can find in my mbox are from 2006-12-07. That's probably very close to the registration date.
[18:10] <salgado> 2006-03-27 seems to be when ~kkapp was created
[18:11] <quappa> abentley, nope, I found a translation I took part in on 2006-08-07.
[18:11] <quappa> salgado, thanks!
[18:17] <salgado> quappa, care to try setting your @rambler email as your preferred one and deleting the other one?  if that works you should be able to re-add the one you deleted and switch to it
[18:18] <quappa> salgado, how can I do that?
[18:18] <salgado> quappa, https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails
[18:20] <salgado> if that page doesn't crash
[18:20] <quappa> salgado, thanks. when I try to set my @rambler.ru address as my "contact address in Launchpad" I see  "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[18:21] <salgado> quappa, that's weird.  can you retry?
[18:21] <quappa> salgado, I did :) it persists.
[18:21] <salgado> quappa, no OOPS or anything?
[18:21] <quappa> salgado, nothing.
[18:22] <quappa> salgado, then I tried to add my gmail address and got "(Error ID: OOPS-1522F1374)"
[18:23] <quappa> salgado, btw, you suggested that I delete the other email address. I only have one on that page.
[18:25] <salgado> indeed
[18:28] <salgado> quappa, I was hoping we'd be able to somehow fix the data corruption ourselves, but that won't be possible.  I'll chase someone with the necessary rights to do it.
[18:29] <Breaking_Pitt> can launchpad be installed in a debian machine?
[18:29] <Breaking_Pitt> or has dependencies with ubuntu
[18:32] <quappa> salgado, thanks! how can I help?
[18:34] <james_w> Breaking_Pitt: I know people have had issues trying before, but they shouldn't be too deep
[18:34] <Breaking_Pitt> the install script ask me to enable multiverse repositories
[18:35] <Breaking_Pitt> so i don't know if i had to add ubuntu repositories in order to install it on debian
[18:36] <maxb> Breaking_Pitt: It's likely possible to coax into working, but you'll need to be prepared to look behind the basic helper scripts and be prepared to fix things.
[18:37] <Breaking_Pitt> i've supposed but if I run it on ubuntu i will have the same problems, maxb ?
[18:37] <maxb> You want to do Launchpad development work on Debian?
[18:38] <Breaking_Pitt> not only on debian I mean if I have to use ubuntu I can use it
[18:39] <maxb> Most Launchpad development happens on Ubuntu, so the documentation and scripts all assume you will use Ubuntu
[18:39] <Breaking_Pitt> ok I'll give a try on ubuntu
[18:39] <Breaking_Pitt> thanks maxb
[18:40] <maxb> Are you installing a new server for this? (How come you can just change distro so easily?)
[18:41] <persia> maxb: I change distro several times a day through a combination of VMs and chroots.  Once set up, it's not hard to maintain.
[18:42] <Breaking_Pitt> i have a vm machine in xen with a clean install of debian lenny
[18:48] <salgado> quappa, should be fixed now.  and sorry for the inconvenience
[18:55] <quappa> salgado, yes, thanks, I confirm, looks like everything is fixed! bzr works and my page on the web has suddenly much more information. Thanks a lot!
[18:55] <salgado> np
[20:49] <asabil> hi all
[20:49] <asabil> could someone fix the following code import please: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ejabberd/trunk ?
[20:52] <mwhudson> asabil: would deleting the import and redoing it with bzr-svn be ok?
[20:52] <asabil> mwhudson, they moved to git
[20:52] <mwhudson> asabil: oh
[20:52] <mwhudson> asabil: just request a new import then
[20:52] <asabil> oki
[20:54] <asabil> mwhudson, but can't you fix the one from ~vcs-imports ?
[20:54] <mwhudson> asabil: well, i can delete it
[20:54] <asabil> otherwise lp:ejabberd won't work
[20:55] <mwhudson> well that's a different thing
[20:55] <mwhudson> i can set that up once you've created a new import
[20:56] <mwhudson> asabil: did you just create an import and then delete it?
[20:56] <asabil> well, I don't understand why it should be under ~asabil instead of ~vcs-import ?
[20:56] <asabil> yes :)
[20:56] <mwhudson> asabil: we're making import branches less of a special case
[20:57] <mwhudson> asabil: so create the import again, and i can hook it up as lp:ejabberd
[20:57] <asabil> okidoki
[20:57] <asabil> done
[20:57] <asabil> and thanks a lot
[21:12] <jack__> how do you upload to an specific ppa repo of one project? I have more ppa's in the project...
[21:13] <gnomefreak> i hate OOPS'
[21:18] <jack__> mmh after upload how long does it take to find it in the repo?
[21:19] <jack__> ?
[21:19] <maxb> jack__: I believe the upload processor runs every 5 minutes
[21:20] <jack__> maxb: ok
[21:20] <maxb> After that, you can watch the status on the web pages
[21:20] <maxb> Likewise, the publisher (that puts finished build results into the repository) also runs every 5 minutes
[21:30] <jack__> Rejected:
[21:30] <jack__> Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[21:30] <jack__> mmh
[21:31] <jack__> should I put karmic in stead of unstable?
[21:31] <maxb> Yes
[21:32] <jack__> in the changelog?
[21:32] <sabdfl> jack__: lucid would be unstable, karmic would be stable, wouldn't it?
[21:32] <maxb> After all, you are uploading a package to be built in ubuntu, so you need to name an ubuntu distroseries
[21:32] <jack__> and if you copy a package from a lucid ppa to a karmic ppa?
[21:32] <jack__> is that possible
[21:33] <maxb> It's seldom wise to copy packages to OLDER distroseries
[21:33] <jack__> ok
[21:33] <maxb> The other way is sometimes a reasonable thing to do. It all depends on the package
[21:42] <jack__> maxb: why not ?
[21:44] <maxb> Many things can change from distroseries to distroseries. Shared library versions are a big one.
[21:45] <jack__> are you afraid those packages won t build, or are there more dangers
[21:45] <maxb> Other things include layouts of files expected by other packages, e.g. things like where python-{support,central} keep control files
[21:46] <maxb> jack__: You cannot copy+rebuild a package within an archive, you must either copy binaries too, or upload a new source.
[21:46] <maxb> Hence, you can have a package which is uninstallable, or installs but fails to operate correctly
[21:47] <jack__> if you download the source, build it on karmic and then upload it, how's that?
[21:48] <jack__> (the source is from lucid)
[21:49] <maxb> Do make sure you change the version number, in a way that the karmic package is less than the lucid package.
[21:49] <maxb> Otherwise people upgrading to lucid won't get the package replaced by the proper lucid version
[21:50] <jack__> good tip
[21:51] <jack__> do you build it in a chroot?
[21:51] <jack__> or just on your karmic install
[21:52] <maxb> Uh, this is #launchpad, are we not talking about building in PPAs?
[21:52] <jack__> it was about copying packages on launchpad
[22:28] <persia> maxb: Even in #launchpad, is it not a good idea to recommend folk test-build locally prior to uploading?
[23:09] <al> what's the usual delay for rosetta download link mails?
[23:09] <al> been waiting a few hours now


[23:09] <hamed1> ok no  problem about the data lost
[23:09] <hamed1> but now i have a data on my hard
[23:10] <hamed1> and i want to install ubuntu with out delete this data
[23:11] <hamed1> when i trying to install it it appear as 1 part but when i open it with windows or live cd i can open the partition contains data
[23:11] <TrueColors> Ok
[23:11] <TrueColors> I removed my entire ubuntu installation
[23:11] <TrueColors> so I now have... 107GB Freespace.
[23:11] <Guest92938> so does anyone have experience with wacoms
[23:12] <TrueColors> When I try to install 10.10, I click on the free space... so it goes orange, then click "Install now" ... but it says "No root file system defined" ... how can I fix this issue?
[23:12] <Guest92938> i finally FINALLY got my wacom working, and then it screwed up x, which i believe was more trying to install gnome-shell
[23:12] <g0rs> hamed1: windows wont recognize ext4 afaik
[23:12] <hamed1> no i have ntfs partition
[23:12] <Guest92938> so classic mode for me in ubuntu cause unity sucks on this netbook
[23:13] <StepNjump> for 64bits users, is there any easier way to download Adobe flash player from their website TAR.GZ, 6.9 MB. I have no idea how to install tar.gz
[23:15] <hamed1> the ntfs contain data but when i try to install ubuntu the hard appear as 1 partition and when i open it with gparted it also appear as 1 unallocated
[23:15] <StepNjump> for 64bits users, is there any easier way to download Adobe flash player from their website TAR.GZ, 6.9 MB. I have no idea how to install tar.gz
[23:15] <_Neytiri_> is there a command i can use to copy all files form driectories recurcisfuly that mathca a specicic file extention?
[23:15] <MiDo> could i can found any data recovery for my centos vps ??
[23:16] <pythonsnake> there are packages who were dependency of another one. let's say x is dependency of y. y got deleted. aptitude tell me to delete x, but how to get aptitude to download y instead ?
[23:17] <ex0> neytiri: cp *.(EXTENSION) (/dest/file
[23:17] <ikonia> pythonsnake: is the package in question rekonq ?
[23:17] <robot-army> After running updates last night, I am no longer able to boot using either the current or previous kernel.  (Natty)  I am getting the following error: http://i.imgur.com/V9mFk.jpg - Any help would be greatly appreciated
[23:17] <pythonsnake> ikonia: no
[23:17] <g0rs> hamed1: I'm not sure but you may not install linux on an ntfs partition  you have the distro's manuals.
[23:17] <ikonia> pythonsnake: which package ?
[23:18] <MaxHR> Hello, have a softmodem recognized with the slmodem driver, but when I try to connect, it dials and tries to connect, then I get no carrier, any ideas to fix?
[23:19] <TrueColors> On the Ubuntu install... "Who are you?" why is the forward button greyed out?
[23:19] <TrueColors> it's still copying files.
[23:19] <TrueColors> and how does it know whether to do 64bit or 32?
[23:19] <coz_> TrueColors,  it would, i believe, grey out after hittin enter,, did yhou do that?
[23:20] <TrueColors> nope.
[23:20] <coz_> TrueColors,  you have to download the 32 or 64 bit install cd
[23:20] <TrueColors> i can click back
[23:20] <pythonsnake> ikonia: deborphan
[23:20] <ikonia> !info deborphan
[23:20] <TrueColors> Ubuntu sent me the 10.10 disk...so... im not sure
[23:20] <coz_> TrueColors,  which iso did you download?
[23:21] <ikonia> pythonsnake: in that situation you'll have to just re-download the dependency
[23:21] <yeats> TrueColors: if you don't know, it's probably 32-bit
[23:21] <_Neytiri_> ex0 i tried somethign liek that and it gave and error
[23:21] <coz_> TrueColors,  its most likely the 32 bit version then
[23:22] <pythonsnake> ikonia: it's a bit strange, each time I talk, you intervene, just like I was highlighting you :)
[23:22] <qin> _Neytiri_: find . -name *.mp3 -type f -exec echo cp {} /copy/there \;
[23:22] <ikonia> pythonsnake: I was active when you asked the quesiton, there is nothing strange about it
[23:22] <qin> _Neytiri_: Remove echo if you fine with results
[23:22] <_Neytiri_> ok
[23:22] <TrueColors> ah, now it's showing.
[23:22] <_Neytiri_> i'll give that a try
[23:22] <pythonsnake> ikonia: you are everywhere I come
[23:22] <coz_> TrueColors,  if this was sent by canonical,, I believe it should be printed on t he cd cover if it is 32 or 64 bit,,although I have not seen one lately
[23:23] <ikonia> pythonsnake: I've been in these channels for years
[23:23] <TrueColors> you cannot start your username with a capital letter
[23:23] <_Neytiri_> find: missing argument to `-exec'
[23:23] <pythonsnake> ikonia: can't have a linux-channel withoout you :)
[23:24] <qin> _Neytiri_: Have you closed command with: \;
[23:24] <TrueColors> i guess I'll find it when it's installed
[23:24] <TrueColors> if it is 32bit i can always erase
[23:24] <_Neytiri_> that was it
[23:25] <yeats> TrueColors: 32-bit is fine and probably indistinguishable from 64-bit for most casual users -FYI
[23:26] <qin> _Neytiri_: Also, try to highlight person you sleak to. !who !tab
[23:26] <TrueColors> I upgraded to 64bit with windows 2 years back... I'm not downgrading :P I'm a average gamer but I'm also a developer. I like to have tons of windows open...
[23:26] <qin> pythonsnake: Try mint channel, ikonia isnot there...
[23:26] <TrueColors> but when I did upgrade to 64bit, I did end up going up to 3gb ram from 1gb ...
[23:27] <TrueColors> went from a microprocessor to a core i3...
[23:27] <ikonia> qin: I think you'll find I am, and what's the point of trying mint channel if you're not using mint
[23:27] <TrueColors> i guess I wouldn't notice the differenceb ack then
[23:29] <qin> ikonia: Helping pythonsnake to escape "This" feeling, but you right, no point, just best show this evening.
[23:30] <melik> hello i'm having trouble setting up the catalyst ati graphics with unity
[23:31] <melik> the dragging feature is not working properly
[23:32] <urlin2u> melik, try alt key.
[23:32] <melik> urlin2u: do i have to enable xinerama?
[23:33] <urlin2u> melik, not familiar with xinerama
[23:34] <yeats> !xinerama
[23:35] <coz_> melanie,   do you have an nvidia card?
[23:35] <coz_> melanie,  nevermin d
[23:35] <TrueColors> ok, whats the command in terminal to see the system specs..
[23:35] <TrueColors> including if it's 64bit or whatever
[23:35] <coz_> melanie,  you may want to go to the #radeon channel for setting that up
[23:36] <coz_> TrueColors,  simple command for architecture is     arch
[23:36] <StijnH> Hello. When doing a "command-line install", there's just a blinking cursor on boot. Ctrl-Alt-Space-F1 brings up the terminal. Is this expected behaviour?
[23:36] <TrueColors> i686...
[23:36] <StijnH> Also, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems says the installation takes around 450MB, but with an 800MB hard drive the installation will fail during package manager configuration. It seems an install takes about 1GB. Is the help page outdated then?
[23:36] <TrueColors> that.. helps..
[23:36] <coz_> TrueColors,  ok thats  32 bit
[23:37] <urlin2u> StijnH, on what distro?
[23:37] <StijnH> 11.04 alternate CD
[23:40] <TrueColors> yeah it's 32..
[23:40] <TrueColors> CRAP
[23:41] <TrueColors> ok well...
[23:41] <TrueColors> of I go all over again
[23:41] <FloodBot1> TrueColors: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:41] <urlin2u> StijnH, you have things mixed up I believe look closer 800MB HD 1 GB on install. Ubuntu is about 2.8 gigs installed are you looking at a mini install?
[23:41] <yeats> TrueColors: you might just try living on 32-bit for a while, just to get acclimated ;-)
[23:41] <zykotick9> StijnH, that link is outdated.  The requirements for Desktop state 5GB for space.
[23:42] <TrueColors> acclimated?
[23:42] <TrueColors> do I need to google the definition?
[23:42] <coz_> TrueColors,   get used to it,,, rather
[23:42] <StijnH> urlin2u: the 1 GB install is after I gave it a HD of 20 GB.
[23:42] <jclbrt> maybe someone can help here... i'm trying to set up a ubuntu server to be my main router...  I'm using 10.04LTS...   the topology I have is .... Comcast modem --> Ubuntu eth0--> to switch on eth1-->to client PCs
[23:42] <coz_> TrueColors,  the differenct is in the architecture not the functionality
[23:42] <StijnH> zykotick9: ok, thank you.
[23:42] <jclbrt> i was following these instructions: http://www.server-servers.com/ubuntu-router-network-gateway/
[23:43] <yeats> TrueColors: sorry - yes - "get used to" ;-)
[23:43] <jclbrt> in the picture where they show the interfaces configuration i notice they have a line that says iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:43] <jclbrt> what the heck does this mean
[23:43] <jclbrt> does that mean it's trying to serve IPs on eth0
[23:43] <DthenQ> need help installing TOR. have the tar.gz, says to just extract and run. but where do i extract to?
[23:44] <yeats> jclbrt: no - it means "get my network address from DHCP"
[23:44] <jclbrt> ah ok... yeats: isnt that the whole point of auto eth0?
[23:44] <xbuntu> wheres that guy that was installin the nvidia driver
[23:44] <xbuntu> ?
[23:44] <jclbrt> i didnt think it needed that extra line
[23:44] <yeats> jclbrt: the alternative is "static", where you then define the IP address manually
[23:45] <ikonia> xbuntu: that was you.
[23:45] <ikonia> xbuntu: I advised you not to do it
[23:45] <xbuntu> No i just did that
[23:45] <xbuntu> ;)
[23:45] <xbuntu> still here arent i
[23:45] <yeats> jclbrt: it does need it - it needs to know how it's getting its connection
[23:45] <xbuntu> with no help from u
[23:45] <Younder> yeats, DHCP is a server which delegates IP addresses. It should be the default and therefore you should not have to worry about it.
[23:45] <ikonia> xbuntu: it's up to you what you do, I advised you not to do it.
[23:45] <jclbrt> yeats but it's not in there by default
[23:45] <xbuntu> I just did it ik
[23:45] <zykotick9> jclbrt, "auto eth0" is NOT dhcp!  I believe it's like automatically initialize on boot, or autodetect link change
[23:45] <xbuntu> and nothing happened
[23:45] <ikonia> xbuntu: good for you. Be aware that when your kernel updates next, X will probably stop working totally.
[23:45] <robot-army> After running updates last night, I am no longer able to boot using either the current or previous kernel.  (Ubuntu 11.04)  I am getting the following error: http://i.imgur.com/V9mFk.jpg - Any help would be greatly appreciated
[23:45] <yeats> Younder: jclbrt is the one with the problem ;-)
[23:45] <xbuntu> Nope
[23:46] <xbuntu> because when it downloaded
[23:46] <xbuntu> it asked me if i wanted to update xconfig
[23:46] <xbuntu> so when it updates
[23:46] <yeats> jclbrt: if you use NetworkManager, it will not be defined there
[23:46] <xbuntu> it will update to it to
[23:46] <DthenQ> I need some noob help - have a tar.gz, the site says to just extract and run, where should i extract to?
[23:46] <xbuntu> so
[23:46] <jclbrt> yeats this is a server install
[23:46] <jclbrt> no desktop environment
[23:46] <xbuntu> and it already back up all the files
[23:46] <jclbrt> so all cli
[23:46] <yeats> jclbrt: understood
[23:46] <StijnH> My goal is to set up a build machine. It needs a toolchain and samba, and I'd like to run this with low memory and disk space usage.. Possibly someone can suggest an alternative to this command-line install option?
[23:46] <ikonia> xbuntu: yes, but when the kernel next updates, the module you download will no longer be valid, so X will stop working as that module won't be loaded.
[23:46] <ikonia> xbuntu: it's a common issue.
[23:46] <xbuntu> Lol kk we will see
[23:47] <ikonia> xbuntu: just be aware of it, so if the display stops working, thats the most likley cause.
[23:47] <rs-aziz> hi every one
[23:47] <yeats> jclbrt: 'auto eth0' just means "bring up eth0 automatically"
[23:47] <xbuntu> lol it wont stop working
[23:47] <Younder> jclbrt, so you are using a linux machine as a router? ir is it CISCO?
[23:47] <xbuntu> because before i downloaded it
[23:47] <xbuntu> i uninstalled nvidia
[23:47] <xbuntu> and it was working still
[23:47] <jclbrt> i had at one point had one working but i dont recall needing that line, but i guess i'll put it in...
[23:47] <jclbrt> Younder I am using a ubuntu server 10.04LTS as a Router
[23:47] <yeats> jclbrt: it is required
[23:47] <zykotick9> xbuntu, using the driver from nvidia.com is a poor choice
[23:47] <ikonia> xbuntu: please listen to what I'm saying, it's a common problem.
[23:47] <ikonia> xbuntu: just be aware of it, so that if it stops working you know the reason.
[23:47] <ikonia> (or at least the most likley reason)
[23:48] <xbuntu> Lol zykotick Please tell me why is it a poor choice?
[23:48] <jclbrt> hmmm.. odd my other server which isnt a router and getting it's IP from DHCP does not have that line in there, thats why i was wondering, but i will put it in
[23:48] <zykotick9> !tab > xbuntu
[23:48] <zykotick9> xbuntu, no
[23:48] <StrangeCharm> does locking the screen cause gpg-agent to forget cached passphrases?
[23:48] <jclbrt> younder: i'm using a ubuntu 10.04LTS as a router
[23:48] <jclbrt> mainly so that i can get ntop working
[23:49] <viktyr_korimir> I installed Ubuntu about an hour ago and I know next to nothing about it.
[23:49] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: Ask more specific questions
[23:49] <xbuntu> d
[23:49] <jclbrt> comcast gave me a warning for going over my bandwidth useage
[23:49] <jclbrt> apparently i did more than 250GB in 6 days
[23:49] <Younder> zykotick9, no it isn't It is vastly superior to the open-source driver in ters of performance
[23:49] <ikonia> viktyr_korimir: https://help.ubuntu.com is a good place to get you started/introduction
[23:49] <viktyr_korimir> I want to add a source to the Software Center. There are instructions on the website, but they do not make sense to me.
[23:49] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: link please
[23:50] <jclbrt> yet i have no clue how... my ddwrt router says i only transferred 60GB all month (combined with upload and download of course) so i want to compare it to ntop
[23:50] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: What software are you trying to get?
[23:50] <viktyr_korimir> http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/10.04/
[23:50] <viktyr_korimir> Hmm. This may be part of my problem.
[23:50] <prod_> Hi all, I have a very silly friend who tryed to fix his windows machine by reinstalling via the built in automated installer. Then realised he had formatted his whole drive and reinstalled and forgettin to backup his family photos. Which program would you recommend me using to track down deleted files?
[23:50] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: ur on 11.04 right?
[23:50] <zykotick9> Younder, i'm not saying use neouvea (spelling?), but using Ubuntu's tools to install nvidia driver is FAR better then using manually installed driver direct from nvidia.com
[23:51] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: Yes, I am using 11.04.
[23:51] <Younder> zykotick9, true
[23:51] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: which game?
[23:51] <zykotick9> prod_, i've had success with photorec
[23:51] <jclbrt> prod_ how much money you got??
[23:52] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: I'm trying to install FreeCiv and a handful of emulators that I had running under Win7.
[23:52] <zykotick9> prod_, you don't get the names back, but you could (try and) recover like *.jpg
[23:52] <prod_> im aware of testdisc but im gettin any results.
[23:52] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: so you click 'install this now' and what happenes?
[23:52] <Younder> jclbrt, Do you have the 'Unix administration handbook'?
[23:52] <prod_> not*
[23:52] <zykotick9> prod_, photorec is part of testdisk - but for files instead of partitions
[23:52] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: I get an error message saying that there's no software by that name under any of my software sources.
[23:53] <prod_> googling photorec now
[23:53] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: I followed step 1 to "install the playdeb package", and the Software Center says it is installed, but no joy.
[23:53] <coz_> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[23:53] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: step 1 ?
[23:54] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: From the link. I clicked on the playdeb link.
[23:55] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: give me a link to step 1 please
[23:55] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: Okay, I got it to work for FreeCiv 2.3.0. I'm going to try some of the others and see if my problem has been resolved.
[23:55] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: ha, ok good :)
[23:55] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: http://archive.getdeb.net/install_deb/playdeb_0.3-1~getdeb1_all.deb
[23:56] <DthenQ> need help please - where would i typically extract/install tar.gz files on a home computer
[23:56] <surial> I'm trying to work with a bttv video capture card. "modprobe bttv" seems to work, and lsmod says a bunch of bttv-related modules are in there, but there's NO /dev/video0. udev is running. What does that mean?
[23:56] <surial> no error messages in dmesg about bttv.
[23:56] <DthenQ> ie in windows it would be C: or C:/program files/....
[23:56] <edbian> DthenQ: do the compiling in your home.  Install them to /usr/local/bin or /home/you/bin
[23:57] <coz_> DthenQ,  you can extract them anywhere you like,, I generally do it on the desktop   ,, right click the tar.gz  and "extract here"
[23:57] <edbian> DthenQ: create /home/you/bin if it doesn't exist
[23:57] <jclbrt> DthenQ whereever you want
[23:57] <DthenQ> coz_ it will make it's own folder wherever the tar.gz is located, where is the place to neatly store new programs?
[23:57] <jclbrt> you can create a file in the home directory called "extracted files" or something and extract them there
[23:57] <DthenQ> /home/me/bin?
[23:57] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: Thank you for your help, even if the problem did seem to clear up on its own.
[23:58] <edbian> viktyr_korimir: sure :)
[23:58] <jclbrt> DthenQ only if runable... try /src
[23:58] <viktyr_korimir> edbian: Could you explain to me how to add software sources manually, in case it ever comes up again?
[23:58] <jclbrt> thats where i extract mine
[23:58] <edbian> DthenQ: yeah, the folder  /home/<yourUsername>  is your home folder, but a folder in there called bin.  /home/you/bin :)
[23:58] <coz_> DthenQ,  well if you extract and follow the instructions for compiling it will install in its proper loaction,, unless this is an executable  then you can store it in the home diretory if you like
[23:58] <jclbrt> /usr/src
[23:58] <DthenQ> awesome, thank you, can't extract to /usr/src, i think admin gets in the way
[23:59] <edbian> DthenQ: you don't have permission to write anywhere outside of your home folder
[23:59] <DthenQ> coz_ no compiling, it's like a zip file with the program in it ready to go, just need the place to put it
[23:59] <zykotick9> viktyr_korimir, check out /etc/apt/sources.list (this is what Debian uses by default, not 100% sure it applies to Ubuntu)
[23:59] <DthenQ> edbian - okay thanks


[14:30] <wwomack> Any Help available for Ubuntu 7.10 install to a current Windows XP partition?
[14:32] <wwomack> hello
[14:35] <wwomack> As much as I want to install this sw i am finding it very confusing and the help level on the chats is next to non-existant.  Thanx much for the input.
[17:11] <cr3> does preseed/url support getting a preseed file over https?
[20:24] <CIA-24> ubiquity: superm1 * r2559 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/mythbuntu/apply-drivers): fix pvr-350 ivtv module


[18:55] <jjesse> meeting here?
[18:56] <nhandler> Yep
[18:57] <nixternal> apachelogger: the floor looks like it will be all yours ;)
[18:57] <nixternal> we have 2 people going for membership
[18:57] <nixternal> no timido around?
[18:57] <nixternal> we need to hurry this meeting too, as I have to get to the city and give a presentation in 2 hours
[18:58] <nhandler> Is that the global bug jam presentation nixternal ?
[18:58] <nixternal> yup
[18:58] <alkisg> @schedule Europe/Athens
[18:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are too busy
[18:58] <nixternal> tell me about it
[18:59] <nixternal> apachelogger: you just need to employ me, so I won't be so busy :)
[18:59] <[NikO]> arg emea membership change
[18:59] <apachelogger> you could read my mails, it won't be much fun though :P
[18:59] <nixternal> interesting
[18:59] <apachelogger> not even that :P
[18:59] <nixternal> [NikO]: I don't know if it has been changed or not to be honest
[18:59] <nixternal> it looks as if all of the dates are shifted 2 days
[19:00] <[NikO]> before it was 05 janv 21:00
[19:00] <nixternal> because today is the 3rd, and we are doing our meeting now and not the 5th
[19:00] <nhandler> @schedule
[19:00]  * nixternal checks the fridge
[19:00]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell
[19:00] <Riddell> Happy New Year Friends
[19:00] <[NikO]> sorry i miss a |
[19:00] <nixternal> [NikO]: fridge.ubuntu.com has the correct dates and times...look there
[19:00] <nixternal> it seems the silly bot is broken
[19:00] <jjesse> happy new year Riddell
[19:00] <Riddell> what's all this about another meeting?
[19:01] <nixternal> [NikO]: seems I did too :)  ooops
[19:01] <yuriy> happy new year everyone
[19:01] <nixternal> Riddell: jusst a misunderstanding with the topic
[19:01] <[NikO]> happy new year too
[19:01] <Riddell> phew
[19:01] <nixternal> there needs to be a | after the Kubuntu Developers in the topic
[19:01] <nixternal> as it looks like "Kubuntu Developers 05 Jan 20:00
[19:01] <nixternal> anywho,
[19:02] <nixternal> HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL!
[19:02] <apachelogger> HNY to everyone but the topic
[19:02] <Riddell> did we all have a nice christmas and hogmanay?
[19:02] <jjesse> i've had better
[19:02] <nixternal> sure did :)
[19:02] <nixternal> haha, same here :p
[19:02] <nixternal> should we kick off with new members?
[19:02] <Riddell> no timido around
[19:02] <nixternal> that's fine, lets go with nhandler
[19:02] <Lure> happy new year to all kubuntu ninjas
[19:03] <NCommander> hola
[19:03] <Riddell> nhandler: care to introduce yourself?
[19:03] <nixternal> nhandler: please give us an introduction about yourself
[19:03] <apachelogger> Wiki: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/nhandler LP: https://launchpad.net/~nhandler
[19:03] <nhandler> My name is Nathan Handler, and I started using Ubuntu right before Edgy was released. I started contributing in Gutsy, and recently became a MOTU. I am no working on making Kubuntu a great distro
[19:04] <nixternal> isn't it already a great distro?
[19:04] <coreymon77> hi guys
[19:04] <nhandler> nixternal: I never said it wasn't. But even a great distro can be made better
[19:04] <coreymon77> actually managed to make it this time
[19:04] <nixternal> groovy
[19:04] <Riddell> nhandler: what's the Ubuntu Forums Beginners Team?
[19:04] <coreymon77> hows everyone doing?
[19:05] <nhandler> Riddell: It is a team led by bodhi_zazen. It helps out on the forums and on irc. It also has Focus groups to help out on LP and the wiki and with other areas
[19:05] <nhandler> IRC channel is #ubuntuforums-beginners
[19:05] <Riddell> nhandler: to help beginners presumably?
[19:05] <nixternal> I can attest to nhandler and his work here in the community...he is a perfect ninja candidate, not only because he is pretty much a neighbor, but because he has worked hard in MOTU land and has taken off...many people in MOTU world are really impressed with him, as I am as well
[19:05] <nhandler> Riddell: Mainly. But it is also there to help anyone with questions
[19:06] <nhandler> Since I started focusing on Kubuntu, I have packaged plasmoid-spellcheck and plasmois-playwolf, and I have updated kcolor-edit, kgrab, kio-gopher, and kopete-cryptography. I have also reviewed some Kubuntu packages on REVU.
[19:07] <Riddell> nhandler: can you see yourself doing more ninjas (KDE main modules packaging) work?
[19:07] <coreymon77> well, his wiki and launchpad pages are sure pretty impressive
[19:07] <apachelogger> nhandler: why did it take you so long to join the kubuntu squad?
[19:07] <nhandler> Riddell: I am hoping to get into that. I have read through the various scripts, and am ready to help out in any way that I can
[19:07] <nixternal> http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/  - one of the busiest sponsors for comments and uploads, the top REVU'er
[19:07] <vorian> I believe nhandler is planning on helping us with the next rounds of packaging Riddell.
[19:07] <nixternal> http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/ - good 5-a-day stats
[19:07] <nhandler> apachelogger: I was focused on becoming a MOTU. I like to set my priorities.
[19:07] <apachelogger> coreymon77: the wiki is not using oxygen which is not too good :P
[19:08] <apachelogger> nhandler: good point
[19:08] <nhandler> vorian: That is true
[19:08] <nixternal> also note that by being a MOTU, he is also an Ubuntu Member
[19:08] <nixternal> so....
[19:08] <nixternal> +1
[19:08] <jjesse> +1 from me if it matters
[19:09] <nixternal> honestly, I am getting tired of doing votes for this dude :p
[19:09] <vorian> I totally support his application
[19:09] <coreymon77> i dont have much say here, but i seem to like him
[19:09] <nixternal> howdy seele!
[19:09] <seele> hallo
[19:09] <nixternal> we are on our way to a quorum it looks like
[19:09] <Riddell> nhandler: you've only been doing stuff for two months you said?
[19:10] <Riddell> but you also said since gutsy
[19:10] <nhandler> Riddell: I have been packaging and patching bugs for a while. I just haven't been focusing on Kubuntu
[19:10]  * nixternal thinks nhandler is a nixternal stalker
[19:10] <claydoh> +1, its a no-brainer :)
[19:11] <yuriy> nhandler: so you use kubuntu yourself but were focusing on more generic packages?
[19:11] <Riddell> +1 from me too
[19:11] <seele> can someone pastebin the beginning aprt of the interview?
[19:11] <nhandler> yuriy: I use kubuntu on one of my machines. It didn't like my laptop, so I run ubuntu on it
[19:11] <apachelogger> seele: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/99167/
[19:11] <nixternal> that was way faster than I could do :)
[19:12] <yuriy> nhandler: why do you like kubuntu and choose to work on it? what sets it apart from other distributions (including ubuntu) for you?
[19:12] <apachelogger> nhandler: we gotta fix the latter
[19:12] <nhandler> yuriy: One of the things I like most about Kubuntu is the community. It is smaller and much closer. In Ubuntu, they have so many people that you can't really get to know everyone. As for kubuntu, I really like the way that kde4 is starting to shape up. I want to help make it better
[19:13] <seele> looks good to me
[19:13] <seele> +1 for nhandler
[19:13] <yuriy> +1
[19:13] <apachelogger> nhandler: congrats
[19:13] <nixternal> wooo
[19:13] <Riddell> welcome in nhandler
[19:13] <nixternal> nhandler: Welcome you ninja!
[19:13] <nixternal> congrats!
[19:13] <apachelogger> welcome to the blue headed stepchild team :P
[19:13] <nhandler> Thanks everyone
[19:14] <vorian> yay nhandler!
[19:14] <nixternal> apachelogger: you forgot my copyright/trademark on that quote!
[19:14] <Riddell> anyone else here for membership?
[19:14] <seele> why blue?  i thought it was red
[19:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: jonny closed the wishlist item for copyright as won't fix :P
[19:14] <nixternal> seele: kde is blooo :)
[19:14] <jjesse> i thought everye thing was bloue
[19:14] <nixternal> haha
[19:14]  * seele points to her head :P
[19:14] <vorian> bleaux
[19:14] <nixternal> no more memberships
[19:15] <apachelogger> we should script membership interviews ... would probably save us some time :P
[19:15] <Riddell> first item is "Post-UDS discussion"
[19:15] <nixternal> can wek skip the post UDS discussion, as I want to hear the QtCurve and Documentation bullets by apachelogger since I have to leave shortly
[19:15] <Riddell> could do
[19:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: want to start on those to keep nixternal happy?
[19:15] <nixternal> thank you sir :)
[19:15] <nixternal> hehe
[19:16] <apachelogger> aye
[19:16] <nixternal> apachelogger: scottk and I were looking at qtcurve the other day I think and it looked rather broken
[19:16] <Riddell> what's up with qtcurve apachelogger?
[19:16] <nixternal> I think it was qtcurve
[19:16] <apachelogger> currently we have qtcurve (qt3 style) kde-style-qtcurve (kde3) kde4-style-qtcurve (qt4) kde4-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig (kde4)
[19:16] <nixternal> is that the one with a reverse path applied in rules?
[19:17] <nixternal> shouldn't there be a gtk package with qtcurve as well?
[19:17] <apachelogger> the latter one has a rather ugly rules file
[19:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: well yes, but that is not affected by the kde 4 transition ;-)
[19:17] <nixternal> gotcha
[19:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: but what's the problem?
[19:17] <apachelogger> renaming that stuff to some sensible matter
[19:18] <nixternal> if qtcurve is the package with the reverse patch in the rules, scottk and i couldn't get it to build in jaunty let alone intrepid
[19:18] <apachelogger> I recommend that we drop kde-style-qtcurve ... rename qtcurve to qtcurve-qt4 ... rename kde-style-qtcurve to qtcurve ... and kde4-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig to kde-style-qtcurve
[19:18]  * apachelogger is pretty sure he lost everyone by now :P
[19:18] <Riddell> qtcurve is a dummy package
[19:18] <nixternal> apachelogger: qt-style-qtcurve I think is how it goes...how does debian do it?
[19:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you sure?
[19:19] <Riddell> in intrepid that's what it says
[19:19] <nixternal> yes, on s/kde4/kde/ on the style bits
[19:19] <apachelogger> well, the whole qtcurve stuff is pretty confusing anyway
[19:19] <nixternal> that it is
[19:20] <Riddell> qtcurve is described as a dummy package but seems more like a meta package for the kde and gtk ones
[19:20] <apachelogger> hm
[19:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we didn't have a qt3-only version
[19:21] <Riddell> my thoughts would be to merge kde4-style-qtcurve and kde4-style-qtcurve-kdeconfig and call it kde-style-qtcurve
[19:21] <Riddell> rename kde-style-qtcurve to kde3-style-qtcurve
[19:21] <Riddell> and make qtcurve depend on kde 3, 4 and gtk
[19:21] <apachelogger> hm
[19:21] <apachelogger> I am not too sure kde3-style-qtcurve will build at all
[19:22] <apachelogger> IIRC qtcurve needs kwin to build
[19:22] <Riddell> oh well drop it then
[19:22] <apachelogger> ok
[19:23] <Riddell> sorted?
[19:23] <apachelogger> what to do about the qt4-only package?
[19:23] <apachelogger> currently kde4-style-qtcurve IIRC
[19:24] <Riddell> I'd be tempted to merge it as I say, can't believe that many people care about having a qt only one
[19:24]  * apachelogger agrees
[19:24] <Riddell> but then I'm a KDE guy so I could be biased :)
[19:24] <nixternal> kde-style-qtcurve, kwin-style-qtcurve, qt4-style-qtcurve - i think it is supposed to be something like this per debian...as I have been working on a coupld of theme packages in debian
[19:24] <apachelogger> I'll consult with debian about the qt4 style then
[19:24] <apachelogger> [sorted]
[19:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: pusling is the master at this stuff, so you might want to start there
[19:25] <apachelogger> aye aye
[19:25] <Riddell> what's up with our documentation install paths?
[19:25] <nixternal> /usr/share/doc/*
[19:25] <apachelogger> KDE 3 uses doc/KDE/
[19:25] <apachelogger> KDE 4 uses doc/KDE4/
[19:26] <apachelogger> (maybe lowercase)
[19:26] <nixternal> lowercase
[19:26] <Riddell> is that a problem?
[19:26] <nixternal> /usr/share/doc/kde <- kde 3
[19:26] <apachelogger> that makes the former unaccessible in KDE 4's khelpcenter, even though it lists them due to the desktop file
[19:26] <nixternal> it shouldn't be a problem at all, as it is part of the fd.o specification for documentation
[19:27] <nixternal> we make khc look anywhere we want though for documentation
[19:27] <Riddell> there's a fd.o sepc for docs?
[19:27] <nixternal> Riddell: just the /usr/share/doc/ part
[19:27] <apachelogger> well
[19:27] <nixternal> we are working on a specification with gnome and kde in fd.o
[19:27] <nixternal> mallard was working well wtih it, but it is vaporware it seems
[19:27] <apachelogger> I recommned we change the KDE 4 path to doc/kde
[19:27] <Riddell> /usr/share/doc/ is quite a busy place, it wants to scan that whole directory?
[19:27] <nixternal> I agree with apachelogger on /usr/share/doc/kde/
[19:28] <nixternal> though
[19:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: based on desktop files I would assume
[19:28] <nixternal> hrmm
[19:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: maybe talk to debian
[19:28] <nixternal> Riddell: khc only scans /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/$cc/
[19:28] <apachelogger> and then change to the path they want to use in the future
[19:28] <apachelogger> technically KHC doesn't scan anything
[19:28] <nixternal> no, just looks there
[19:29] <apachelogger> it queries ksycoca for applications and reads their doc setting
[19:29] <nixternal> you can make khc open any html and/or docbook file extension no matter where it is located
[19:29] <apachelogger> that is why it doesn't matter what path we use as long as it is the same in KDE 3 and KDE 4
[19:30] <apachelogger> so, course of action = talk to debian about path they want to use
[19:30] <apachelogger> everyone ok with that?
[19:30] <Riddell> merging them would cause clashes in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/
[19:30] <nixternal> debian is still separating their paths I thought
[19:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can drop the KDE 3 one
[19:31] <Riddell> seems sensible enough to move to doc/kde then
[19:31] <nixternal> I agree
[19:31] <apachelogger> ok
[19:31] <nixternal> khc codebase == ewwww
[19:31] <Riddell> but indeed check with debian too, they may well know of problems that would cause
[19:31] <nixternal> I need to start spending more time on it
[19:31] <apachelogger> nixternal: suse code :P
[19:32] <apachelogger> the apps data path is a related issue
[19:32] <Riddell> tell us about it apachelogger
[19:32] <apachelogger> debian also uses $PREFIX/share/kde4/apps/ instead of $PREFIX/share/apps/
[19:32] <nixternal> suse code is only in the search handlers iirc
[19:32] <nixternal> ie. htdig :(
[19:33] <apachelogger> however, KDE regulates this in one of the cmake modules (in a very static way)
[19:33] <apachelogger> so, if you compile a KDE 4 app manually it will use $P/share/apps, because it doesn't know that debian/kubuntu use share/kde4/apps
[19:33] <apachelogger> which results in broken application data
[19:34] <Riddell> mm, that does confuse people
[19:34] <apachelogger> ^_^
[19:34] <apachelogger> simply put: there is a wrong installation path used for non-cdbs compiled stuff
[19:35] <apachelogger> we can resolve this by either patching the appropriate cmake modules, which works pretty well
[19:35] <apachelogger> or we change to KDE default ($P/share/apps)
[19:36] <apachelogger> since we most likely need to recompile every KDE 4 app because of the doc path changes anyway both options are good options IMO
[19:36] <Riddell> I'd go with the former unless debian plan to change, that would be quite a deviation and there's probably still clashes with kde 3
[19:37] <apachelogger> *nod*
[19:37] <apachelogger> I'll talk with debian and go with the patching if the latter option is not possible
[19:38] <Riddell> sorted?
[19:38] <apachelogger> + I need to report this to KDE anyway, because debian needs to have the setting exported properly anyway
[19:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[19:38] <Riddell> it would be nice if the cmake module was set correctly at compile time
[19:39] <Riddell> Post-UDS discussion
[19:39] <Riddell> how was UDS for you seele, nixternal..?
[19:39] <Riddell> we wrote some specs which are here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
[19:39] <seele> the most tiring one yet imo
[19:39] <seele> too much activity for someone who works at home alone all the time :)
[19:40] <jjesse> great except had to leave early :(
[19:40] <Riddell> we'll need to paste you into our group photo jjesse
[19:40] <jjesse> Riddell: i know bummed i missed it
[19:40] <Riddell> plan is to change to package kit
[19:41] <Riddell> various tweaks to installer, a good challenge for anyone who likes pykde
[19:41] <apachelogger> is kpackagekit imported into jaunty yet?
[19:41] <nixternal> Riddell: uds was super busy for me actually
[19:41] <apachelogger> last I checked I didn't find it
[19:41] <seele> yes, Tonio created some Intrepid packages and Thomas Pfeffer (colomar) is in the process of reviewing it
[19:41] <nixternal> wasn't expecting to be that darn busy
[19:41] <yuriy> how many kubuntu/kde people were at UDS?
[19:41] <jjesse> colomar is doing the usability stuff for you right seele?
[19:41] <nixternal> and the dancing santa was the highlight of the entire event :)
[19:41] <seele> he will provide some feedback to what improvements could be made, and we can figure out which ones we can actually get done by feature freeze
[19:42] <seele> jjesse: yes, he was my Season of Usability intern last year
[19:42]  * apachelogger notes that getting any kind of package in ASAP would be good
[19:42] <seele> and he came to Akademy (if anyone remembers)
[19:42] <seele> packaging is Tonio's job, i just know he was working on it
[19:42] <Riddell> yuriy: me, nixternal, rgreening, jjesse, tonio and at fosscamp blahzahl, chani and aurean the kpackagekit dude
[19:42] <Riddell> seele too of course
[19:43] <nixternal> seele was there? :p
[19:43] <apachelogger> seele: I'll poke him about that
[19:43]  * seele sighs
[19:43] <nixternal> WEARING BLUE!!!!
[19:43] <seele> no love
[19:43] <nixternal> and trying to hide it
[19:43] <seele> nixternal: it was cold that day :P
[19:43]  * apachelogger hands seele a cookie
[19:43] <apachelogger> cookies > love
[19:43] <nixternal> hahahaha
[19:43] <jjesse> the blue crew shirt
[19:43] <yuriy> < doctormo> I didn't see a whole load of kde people at UDS, maybe 3 or 4.  <-- in response to my comment on mark's blog about notifications
[19:43] <apachelogger> nixternal: we need to discuss crew shirts @ next marketing metting :P
[19:43] <Riddell> no surprises in KubuntuJauntyKDEPackaging but we do need to work out the mysql packaging for amarok and akonadi which will be tricky (especially amarok)
[19:43] <yuriy> got the impression that we just didn't have enough of a presense there
[19:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose last option would be to do it the intrepid way?
[19:44] <jjesse> yuriy: we had more of a presence at this uds then the past
[19:44] <nixternal> apachelogger: roger that!
[19:44] <Lure> Riddell: is anybody working on digikam/kipi-plugins packaging already?
[19:44] <Riddell> yuriy: desktop is less important than it used to be, lots of server and mobile people these days (I didn't see a whole load of gnome people)
[19:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: mysql 5.1?
[19:44] <Lure> Riddell: there are two dependancies (optional though) missing: libopencv liblensfun
[19:44] <nixternal> besides the Kubuntu tracks, I was constantly in Community and MOTU/Development tracks...non stop
[19:45] <apachelogger> Lure: devfil is working on digikam AFAIK
[19:45] <nixternal> the entire week, I had 1 time slot where there wasn't a track specific to me
[19:45] <apachelogger> Lure: and tonio updated kipi
[19:45] <Riddell> Lure: volunteers welcome :)  I'd like to see those all move over to KDE 4 versions
[19:45] <Lure> apachelogger: ok, is he in #kubuntu-devel?
[19:45] <seele> nixternal: yes, i think i only had a few hours or breathing all week
[19:45] <apachelogger> Lure: sometimes
[19:45] <apachelogger> Lure: he's CET so he might be out partying by now ;-)
[19:45] <Riddell> we need to check if there's going to be a version of k3b we can use
[19:46] <Lure> apachelogger: if nobody will step in, I might try to use my rusty packaging skills and try to create packages ;-)
[19:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: did anyone try trunk yet?
[19:46] <Riddell> not I
[19:46] <yuriy> comments on the dot claim that k3b for kde4 is usable
[19:46] <nixternal> tonio said he saw something about k3b, but I have looked and looked and haven't found anything...the mailing lists are even asking where the kde k3b stuff is at
[19:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: all people I talked to said "looks good, but didn't try burning"
[19:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: so we probably should test the latter ;-)
[19:46] <Riddell> we want to get kde 3 libs off the CD so that means getting rid of konversation as well for now
[19:46] <nixternal> seems the lead dev is working a new job elsewhere and has little time to maintain k3b
[19:47] <Riddell> possibly to be replaced with quassel if seele convinces them to make it usable
[19:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: the lead dev is also lead dev of nepomuk
[19:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: already working on it
[19:47] <apachelogger> + quassel got KDE integration (notifciation and icons) already
[19:47] <nixternal> apachelogger: correct, but didn't he get a new job or something? possibly working on nepomuk so than anything else?
[19:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: *shrug* all I know is that he was working for mandriva at some point
[19:48] <yuriy> mandriva is paying him to work on nepomuk I think
[19:48] <nixternal> ahh, I just read something to that effect recently
[19:48] <nixternal> yuriy: ya, I think that is exactly what I read
[19:48] <Riddell> we'll need to look at webkitkde once qt 4.5 is out and evaluate if it's better than khtml
[19:48] <Lure> Riddell: is qt 4.5 to land in jaunty?
[19:49] <apachelogger> depends on the quality
[19:49] <Riddell> Lure: they won't say but I hope it'll be out in time
[19:49] <apachelogger> last I checked it rendered a lot of Qt 4.4 stuff unusable
[19:49] <Lure> apachelogger: yes, I recalled thiago's post about kde4 being showstopper for qt 4.5 release
[19:50] <apachelogger> well for KDE 4 most stuff is resolved, can't say the same about quassel for example
[19:50] <Riddell> KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis has various programming bits to be done, installing Restriced Install, system-config-printer really to be finished, tseliot's display setup tool...
[19:50] <Riddell> txwikinger: about?
[19:50] <txwikinger> yes
[19:51] <Riddell> txwikinger: any plans to work on user setup tool this cycle?
[19:51] <txwikinger> yes
[19:52] <txwikinger> I will try to integrate what I did to the system-settings
[19:52] <apachelogger> kuser isn't too bad for the time being
[19:52] <apachelogger> now that it works kind of ;-)
[19:52] <Riddell> txwikinger: seele did put her name down for specifying an improved UI for that, would you be able to take that on if she does?
[19:52] <txwikinger> Riddell: yes, I think so
[19:52] <Riddell> sime says pykde can be intergrated with system settings now, so various things can be made into modules for that
[19:53] <txwikinger> cool
[19:53] <Riddell> I should track down the sample code for that
[19:53] <apachelogger> jonny already started with jockey
[19:53] <apachelogger> as reported in his blog
[19:53] <Riddell> oh, nice
[19:53] <Arby> I've been trying to do the same with system-config-printer
[19:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: update-notifier-kde should probably be renamed? kpackagekit comes with an update notification system builtin
[19:53] <Arby> without much success it has to be said
[19:54] <nixternal> alrighty, gotta head out...talk to you all later!
[19:54] <apachelogger> cya nixternal
[19:54] <Riddell> Arby: thanks for your e-mail on s-c-p-k, I'll get round to replying to it properly soon I hope
[19:54] <txwikinger> bye nixternal
[19:54] <nhandler> Bye nixternal
[19:54] <Arby> Riddell: no rush
[19:54] <Riddell> I should talk about the Desktop Experience team before we finish
[19:54] <seele> heh
[19:55] <Riddell> Canonical has put together this team of people to work on useful desktop bling stuff
[19:55] <Riddell> their first project will be to do with notifications and was announced at UDS
[19:56] <Riddell> the idea of the team is to make a useful contribution to the state of the free desktops
[19:56] <Riddell> they have some Gnome people on it now and (because gnome is more in need of interesting things to happen to it :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> ^_^
[19:57] <Riddell> and will hire qt/kde person/people early this year to make sure we're not left out
[19:57] <Riddell> so this means canonical will be a bit more hands on in saying what goes into Kubuntu, which up until now they havn't at all (I'm speaking with my kubuntu community hat)
[19:58] <Riddell> so us in the kubuntu community need to make sure that what they work on is useful and works well to bring us and KDE stuff we love
[19:59] <Riddell> from talks at UDS on the notification bits I think they know what needs doing to get it done with KDE well
[19:59] <Riddell> and it may not happen this cycle for KDE (nobody hired yet and feature freeze is in 6 weeks)
[20:00] <Riddell> but in future it should happen at the same time on ubuntu desktop and kubuntu since sabdfl is keen we are not left out
[20:00] <Riddell> any comments or questions?
[20:01] <apachelogger> sabdfl++ for that
[20:01] <yuriy> so they talked with all of you guys at UDS about notifications?
[20:01] <seele> you could say that
[20:01] <Riddell> us and upstream too
[20:02] <Arby> I saw a few blogs suggesting there was some resistance within KDE to parts of what was proposed on marks blog.
[20:02] <apachelogger> yuriy: they also talked with aaron in #plasma
[20:02] <Arby> if KDE flat out refuse to play what do we do?
[20:02] <apachelogger> the notifications stuff is a bit messed up because there are kind-of 2 versions floating around
[20:03] <apachelogger> the not-fd.o but almost standard one and the KDE one, which is based on the not-fd.o one but enhanced
[20:03] <Riddell> Arby: upstream gnome had much the same reaction to some parts
[20:03] <Arby> not unexpected
[20:03] <Riddell> if KDE doesn't want it we'd need to keep patches, which it would be the responsibility of the DX team to maintain
[20:03] <apachelogger> oh, that part I like
[20:03] <Arby> that's what I was wondering
[20:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: and hopefully this work can create a real cross desktop standard
[20:04] <seele> part of the problem with the proposed design is that it doesn't account for KDE's heavy use of applications as services
[20:04] <yuriy> apachelogger: I think that makes 3 versions now
[20:04] <apachelogger> we need a lot more standards in general
[20:04] <Arby> so basically this is going to happen whether upstream like it or not
[20:04] <seele> they want to get rid of a lot of icons in the GNOME task panel, but their solution wont necessarily work in KDE-world
[20:05] <yuriy> the great thing about standards ....
[20:05] <Arby> that could make life ... colourful
[20:05] <apachelogger> yuriy: well the idea is that the one created by the DX team gets also a consesus between gnome and KDE requirements
[20:06] <apachelogger> that would then make it perfect for freedesktop.org
[20:06] <Riddell> I think this is a very exciting change and I'm happy we're part of it, if we make sure all the right connections are made between us, the DX people and upstream it should be good for everyone
[20:07] <apachelogger> +1
[20:07] <seele> the fact that theyre trying to fix the fdo spec is a +1 in itself
[20:07] <seele> regardless of the other design changes, notifications of either app families will work consistently and reliably on either platform
[20:08] <seele> that's on part with being able to automatically set the OK/Cancel Cance/OK order automatically based on platform
[20:08] <seele> people start to wonder why it wasnt done sooner
[20:08] <seele> thats how much sense it makes :)
[20:08] <Arby> where would be the right place to keep track of progress? do I need to subscribe to another mailing list?
[20:08]  * apachelogger would guess so
[20:09] <seele> dunno, Riddell might know.  i'm under the impression it is still internal though
[20:09] <Riddell> good question, I'll need to ask about that
[20:10] <Riddell> there's various docs on the wiki somewhere and I think they use the #ubuntu-desktop channel and ubuntu-desktop mailing lists but I could be wrong
[20:10]  * apachelogger would prefer if they didn't
[20:10] <seele> i havent seen anything about notifications on ubuntu-desktop
[20:10] <seele> maybe there is an ubuntu-desktop-experience?
[20:10] <Riddell> dunno, I'll ask
[20:10] <apachelogger> -desktop is usually quite gnomish, so I for one wouldn't want to subscribe to it
[20:10] <Riddell> any other business?
[20:11] <beuno> Riddell, there isn't a channel for this yet
[20:12] <Riddell> I'm on jury service on Monday so potentially I'll be away for an indefinate period, or maybe just a couple of hours if my name doesn't get picked out of the hat
[20:12] <Riddell> I'll be around in evenings if I do get picked anyway
[20:13] <txwikinger> cool Riddell
[20:13]  * NCommander is back, sorry
[20:13] <seele> oh.. UDS sponsored people: your receipts are due Jan 9 I believe
[20:13] <NCommander> ugh, completely forgot about that
[20:13]  * NCommander still has them
[20:13] <Riddell> thanks for coming all, 2009 is going to rock!
[20:14]  * apachelogger hands out cookies
[20:14] <Arby> yum
[20:14]  * txwikinger hands out Tim Horton's Hot Chocolate


[05:06] <halcyforn> hello
[06:04] <guiverc> halcyforn, if you have a Lubuntu Support question, please just ask it (try and keep to a single line), people will answer if they're able (and when they can)
[06:08] <halcyforn> yeach i have problem from yesterday with lubuntu, i need 2 keyboards layouts, polish and russian with easy visible change
[06:09] <halcyforn> basic lubuntu donmt have then i install lxde where is this option but i dont have ide how to add russsian keyboard
[06:10] <guiverc> what release of Lubuntu? halcyforn (though I'm unlikely to be able to help as I use default keyboard; but I can look)
[06:12] <halcyforn> 19,10
[06:14] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html   (I'm looking, maybe awhile.. I'm expecting to be called away awhile but I'll return when I can)
[06:15] <halcyforn> i try this
[06:15] <halcyforn> dont work
[06:16] <halcyforn> i need something like in windows on start menu bar
[06:18] <guiverc> You also maybe need someone who likewise lives in a region (europe etc) where multiple languages are used (which require different layouts); not me
 Right click on the panel. Select manage widgets. Click the + symbol on the right. Select kbindicator.
 kbindicator widget lets you switch Keyboard layouts.
[06:19] <halcyforn> wow
[06:19] <halcyforn> relog to test this
 Ok. I am afraid that is all I know, I am with guiverc and really only use one layout.
[06:22] <halcyforn> thx lubot
[06:22] <halcyforn> now i have second problem
[06:22] <halcyforn> because i probaly instal something bad trying repair this language selection\
[06:23] <halcyforn> now i have error something about bad password to password lock  and no more autologin ...
[06:23] <halcyforn> do i must reinstall sytem to repair this ?
 You shouldn't have to, it is just a matter of reversing what you changed. That is somewhat difficult if you can not recall the steps however.
 We should probably address them one at a time.
[06:27] <halcyforn> muon have history ?
[06:28] <halcyforn> uhhh\
 Yes it does
[06:29] <halcyforn> today i install teamviver but that was on 1 oclock.
[06:29] <halcyforn> there is no time ...
[06:33] <halcyforn> ok how to revert back autologin ?
 Ok, you need to edit the `/etc/sddm.conf` file
 You can do that with `sudo featherpad /etc/sddm.conf`
 Add a line after [Autologin]
 put `User=YOUR USER NAME` substituting your username
 If you save, close and reboot it should autologin.
[06:44] <kc2bez> Part notifications on Telegram would be nice sometimes ^
[06:44] <kc2bez> It is there for anyone else that wants it ^
[06:45] <kc2bez> I am AFK for some ZZZs
[11:22] <CrazyTux> what will be the fate of lxde in future?
[11:23] <CrazyTux> will that project be abandoned?
[11:25] <guiverc> A number of LXDE devs moved to LXQt, however I've heard different people are porting LXDE to GTK3 (arch); there is also a fork on r.pi
[11:25] <CrazyTux> ok
[11:26] <guiverc> but I don't follow it, and this isn't Lubuntu Support related anyway
[11:38] <axo> hello
[11:39] <CrazyTux> is lxqt on Lubuntu as stable as what Lxde on Lubuntu was?
 a bit more stable in a way as lxde has some file manager crashes still
 guiverc CrazyTux don't expect lxde on gtk3 to be lighter than lxqt. The story tell than when the dev started porting lxde to gtk3 they end up porting to lxqt because it was more efficient
 https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/
 Can any one tell me about Lubuntu 20.04 Focal Fossa Stable Version Release Date?
[14:26] <Jbwncster> hi
[14:39] <RikMills> @binoyghosh same as ubuntu and all the other flavours
[14:44] <Jbwncster> Is there a way to upgrade to 20.04 without reinstalling?
[14:49] <apt-ghetto> Jbwncster: From which version?
[14:49] <Jbwncster> 19.10
[14:49] <apt-ghetto> Yes, there are several ways to upgrade to 20.04
[14:50] <Jbwncster> what's the easiest?
[14:51] <apt-ghetto> In my opinion, the easiest is using `do-release-upgrade`.
[14:51] <Jbwncster> sudo apt?
[14:52] <Jbwncster> says no new relase
[14:53] <apt-ghetto> You mean `sudo do-release-upgrade` says no new release?
[14:54] <Jbwncster> sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:54] <Jbwncster> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[14:54] <Jbwncster> No new release found.
 20.04 is still in development technically.
[14:55] <apt-ghetto> Yes, that is correct. There is no new release, just a development release available
[14:55] <Jbwncster> how do i upgrade without reinstalling?
[14:55] <apt-ghetto> Check also the short manpage `man 8 do-release-upgrade`
[15:05] <Jbwncster> thanks
[15:05] <Jbwncster> its working slowly
[15:14] <apt-ghetto> yes
[17:54] <alexd64> Hi
[17:55] <alexd64> I need some support with inspiron 1525 wifi driver
[18:02] <wxl> alexd64: what exactly do you need?
[18:12] <alexd64> something went wrong with installation and wifi don't come up
[18:14] <alexd64> it has installed the BCM4212 802.11 b/g LP-PHY driver but it seems doesn't work with wifi
[18:33] <wxl> alexd64: could you pastebin the results of `lspci -nnk`?
[18:50] <alexd64> Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)	Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN Mini-Card [1028:000b]	Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge	Kernel modules: ssb
[18:51] <alexd64> just copied wireless
[18:53] <wxl> alexd64: what version is this?
 official website its lubuntu.me?
 @ecsamrl [official website its lubuntu.me?], Correct
 and what is the latest stable version for today?
 20.04?
[18:59] <wxl> 20.04 isn't released yet
[18:59] <wxl> but should be very soon
[18:59] <wxl> so just install 19.10 and you can upgrade from there
[19:08] <alexd64> 18.04.4 Bionic Beaver LTS (LXDE)
[19:09] <wxl> alexd64: ok do you have firmware-b43-installer or firmware-b43-lpphy-installer installed?
 1
[19:10] <alexd64> no idea, how can I know?
[19:13] <wxl> alexd64: open synaptic and search for it or use the terminal command `apt-cache policy firmware-b43* | grep -B 1 Installed` and if any of them have a version rather than (none) then they are installed
 19.10 it's stable version?
 @ecsamrl [19.10 it's stable version?], yes
[19:20] <alexd64> can't find firmware-b43
 is 18.04 still supported?
[19:21] <genii> !broadcom
[19:25] <wxl> alexd64: can you hardware the computer?
[19:31] <alexd64> sorry, what do you mean? I'm a beginner (very basic)
[19:31] <wxl> alexd64: oops, i meant to say hardwire. plug it into the internet.
[19:37] <alexd64> ahh :-D
[19:43] <alexd64> wired works fine...
[19:43] <wxl> yeah i wasn't worried about that
[19:43] <wxl> but now that you're on the internet, you can install the right package
 @ecsamrl [is 18.04 still supported?], yes, not for long.
 and if you install 18.04 you can't upgrade to 20.04, need to install all again.
[19:44] <alexd64> I've downloaded the R151517.exe package from Dell, unziped etc but I don't know how install something :-(
 my recommendation, instal 19.10 and when 20.04 is out upgrade
[19:44] <wxl> wait what? no .exe's in linux my friend
 @alexd64 [<alexd64> I've downloaded the R151517.exe package from Dell, unziped etc but I d …], .exe are for windoes
[19:45] <wxl> open synaptic and search for and install firmware-b43-installer or use the command ilne `sudo apt update && sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer`
 synaptic or muon
[19:56] <alexd64> @wxl I've rebooted after package install and wifi light comes up.
[19:57] <wxl> alexd64: so youre good now? :)
[19:57] <alexd64> now I guess I need something else to enable it or lookup for wifi networks
[19:57] <wxl> it should find open wifi networks
[19:58] <wxl> there's a little networking icon in the bottom right
[19:58] <alexd64> yes, but there is just a wired network icon
[19:58] <wxl> oh yeah in general linux, being smart as it is, will ignore slow wifi if you're plugged in
[19:59] <wxl> you can unplug and then pick your network and there you go
[19:59] <alexd64> I've unplugged the cable prior to reboot the notebook
[20:00] <alexd64> I see the wifi light on, but it's all
[20:00] <wxl> so if you click the icon you don't see any networks listed?
[20:02] <alexd64> :-D  as I've the computer in another room I missed that, but now it's fully connected!
[20:02] <alexd64> @wxl thank you so much for your support!!
[20:07] <wxl> alexd64: no problem. just so you know you didn't have the right driver installed because broadcom uses this annoying proprietary driver and they make life for linux users hell. but problem solved, with an open source driver to boot!
 how to make all the images go to the second monitor screen during installation?  otherwise it’s somehow strange to share
[20:19] <alexd64> @wxl it's OK I've the chance to bring back an old notebook and it's working pretty well, thanks again!
[20:19] <wxl> alexd64: np. be well.
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/FqAgfWK.jpg
 what could it be?
 Squashfs errors are typically from issues with the install image or media.
 Check the hash of the iso and run through the check disk for defects.
 Hi. How can modify shortcuts? … If add a new throw lxqt-config-globalkeyshorcuts after reboot my new shortcut disapear 🤷♂
 I have a script that do it because a dont find the reason of that, but I think must be a native form without execute a script
[23:46] <Putin9> Hello
[23:54] <putin9> I installed Lubuntu 19.04 on my Lenovo thinkpad 100S and the device is able to connect to my wireless network. However the device can not reach the internet if I restart NetworkManager there is a brief moment of time when the device can reach the internet. Could someone on advise on what could be causing this?
[23:57] <kryten> putin9: 1.) 19.04 is end-of-life for a few months already.  2.) Since this isn't specific to Lubuntu, I'd ask in the main #ubuntu channel on it.
[23:58] <kryten> You'd need to register a nick to get in there though.  But much more people who could help, of course.


[01:52] <jbicha> Laney: I uploaded gtk3 with mir enabled for s390x to zesty's unapproved queue
[02:11] <Trevinho> Laney: sorry, just noticed you mentioned me this morning... Please ping me again tomrorrow
[02:39] <duflu> robert_ancell, help :S  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1675612
[02:39] <robert_ancell> duflu, any log information?
[02:40] <duflu> robert_ancell: Which log do you desire?
[02:40] <robert_ancell> duflu, you can start with /var/log/lightdm.log
[02:40] <duflu> Weird ubuntu-bug didn't attach that
[02:41] <robert_ancell> duflu, did you file against u-g or lightdm?
[02:41] <duflu> lightdm
[02:41] <duflu> Although it prompted for a password and then complained about a failure. So probably that's why it could not get root-owned logs
[02:48] <duflu> robert_ancell, attached. But do you want more info?
[02:49] <robert_ancell> duflu, /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log
[02:49] <robert_ancell> lightdm.log looks normal
[02:52] <duflu> robert_ancell: Done
[02:53] <robert_ancell> duflu, signal 10 is X signalling it is ready btw. Yes, it's stupid.
[03:03] <duflu> And now launchpad's timing out. I can't change anything
[03:03] <duflu> Usually this only happens when Europe wakes up
[03:05] <robert_ancell> /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon: undefined symbol: gnome_settings_plugin_info_set_settings_prefix
[03:05] <robert_ancell> That looks suspicious
[03:05] <robert_ancell> Might be u-s-d that is broken
[03:05] <robert_ancell> duflu, can you see if you can run it manually?
[03:07] <duflu> robert_ancell, yes that's the problem
[03:07] <duflu> $ /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon
[03:07] <duflu> /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon: undefined symbol: gnome_settings_plugin_info_set_settings_prefix
[03:09]  * duflu hunts for the previous version
[03:10] <robert_ancell> duflu, I suspect it's one of the GNOME deps dropping the symbol
[03:10] <duflu> robert_ancell: Perhaps, but USC only changed 2 hours ago
[03:11] <duflu> So that could be the trigger
[03:11] <duflu> USD I mean
[03:11] <robert_ancell> duflu, ah, you are right
[03:13] <robert_ancell> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/unity-settings-daemon/drop-updates-plugin/+merge/319275
[03:14] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ^
[03:16] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yeah the previous version fixes it
[03:44] <jbicha> sorry, I had tested with kylin-greeter because it was pulled in when I was helping Kylin get UKUI in and I only now figured out what pkg I needed to remove to get unity-greeter back
[03:44] <jbicha> robert_ancell: what's the fastest way to revert that?
[03:45] <jbicha> do we have to use bileto here?
[03:45] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I figure just committing directly and pushing to LP
[03:45] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I'm building a package now
[03:45] <robert_ancell> I dropped the line for the missing symbol, but that didn't work. So I'm reverting the whole merge
[03:45] <jbicha> that's fine, maybe I'll try again next cycle
[03:49] <robert_ancell> that fixed it
[03:50] <jbicha> great!
[03:50] <robert_ancell> 15.04.1+17.04.20170322-0ubuntu1.1
[03:50] <robert_ancell> Let's hope it gets through before too many people download the other one...
[03:51] <jbicha> you just need to find someone on the release team to let it though now :|
[03:51] <jbicha> I'm off to bed now, thanks for fixing that
[03:51] <TheMuso> Glad I haven't updated yet. :)
[03:51] <TheMuso> s/upgraded/updated/
[03:53] <robert_ancell> jbicha, np!
[03:53] <robert_ancell> duflu, good catch
[03:53] <duflu> robert_ancell: This is often an unlucky timezone for broken updates
[07:34] <hikiko> ηι
[07:34] <hikiko> hi
[07:34] <hikiko> :p
[07:42] <duflu> hikiko,   o/
[07:43] <duflu> Saviq, Could you perhaps add descriptions to those major milestones? It's not clear to me what the difference between them is
[07:43] <Saviq> duflu, dates, really
[07:43] <duflu> Well, yeah. Different milestones on the one project tend to have different dates
[07:44] <duflu> Oh they have "Expected"
[07:44] <Saviq> yup, that's it
[07:44] <Saviq> that's when we "close" the milestone
[07:44] <duflu> 'u8c-1' expected '7 hours ago'
[07:44] <Saviq> which is why I'm moving bugs that we didn't manage to close out to the next milestone(s)
[07:45] <duflu> It's slightly confusing that the order is "1, z, 2"
[07:46] <duflu> Is 2 what we would historically call "SRU0" ?
[07:48] <Saviq> duflu, we're not gonna be SRUing it
[07:48] <duflu> Saviq: Oh z+1 then?
[07:49] <Saviq> well, yes, just a date
[07:49] <duflu> My confusion stems from the fact that I expect milestone 2 to follow from 1. But it doesn't
[07:50] <Saviq> duflu, -z is "for zesty still", -2 is "further out"
[07:51] <duflu> Yeah. I would suggest name "2" with a description "zesty..." and rename the old "2" to "3" with a description "17.10..."
[07:51] <duflu> Rename "z" to "2"
[09:02] <willcooke> o/
[09:03] <Laney> yo!
[09:03] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney!
[09:07] <Laney> hey didrocks, happy friday
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:07] <Laney> jbicha: I was already checking a gtk with s390x/mir...
[09:07] <Laney> How did you test build / check installability?
[09:08] <Laney> hey davmor2
[09:08] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:08] <davmor2> willcooke: so final beta not too bad \o/ only 1 thing that definitely needs fixing which happyaron is aware of already
[09:09] <davmor2> Laney: it goes good, you?
[09:09] <willcooke> nice one, thanks davmor2
[09:09] <Laney> acceptable
[09:09] <Laney> only one tea drunk so far
[09:10] <davmor2> Laney: I'm on my first coffee of the day so I'm one behind you
[09:18] <Laney> happyaron: are you working on that bug?
[10:13] <allison> good morning tea drinkers!!
[10:15] <happyaron> Laney: yep on my list
[10:15] <happyaron> (the list is short
[10:50] <Laney> hey allison
[10:50]  * Laney misses desrt :(
[11:06] <allison> Laney: :(
[11:06] <allison> Laney: where'd she go?
[11:06] <Laney> maybe found an oass
[11:07] <allison> oa(ss)?
[11:07] <Laney> or a camltrn
[11:08]  * Laney ho ho ho HO HO HO
[11:10] <Sweet5hark> bonjours a tous!
[11:12] <Laney> tag Sweet5hark
[11:12] <Laney> how's it going
[11:13] <Sweet5hark> I'll be on vacation next week. Anything missing/needing handover still? 5.2 is EOL upstream 5.3 wont have a final release next week and 5.3.1 is in zesty-proposed and in snap. So -- fingers crossed -- it should be good. If there is anything else, ping me now. ;)
[11:14] <Sweet5hark> Laney: heya, last workday before a week of and the weather is sunny and beautiful. Thats ... somewhat rare ... in Hamburg. ;)
[11:14] <Laney> \o\
[11:14] <Laney> it's in the release not proposed
[11:15] <Laney> went over after the beta
[11:15] <Sweet5hark> ah, even better. didnt recheck before writing.
[11:15] <Laney> you going somewhere nice?
[11:18] <Sweet5hark> Laney: no. not really far. Its only a week and I wont fly away or something. But I plan to steal my parent mobile home for a few days and do a unplanned trip: to Denmark, north sea or baltic.
[11:18] <Sweet5hark> s/mobile home/motorhome/
[11:20] <Laney> nice
[11:20] <Laney> hope you get some sun
[11:23] <Sweet5hark> Ill try ;)
[11:26] <Laney> https://goo.gl/maps/ARmPRTFmAfr
[12:09] <jbicha> Laney: I don't have a way to test s390x
[12:11] <Laney> Silos provide builds, and let you run britney
[12:14] <jbicha> I was told I need to join Canonical before I can join ~ci-train-ppa-service
[12:15] <jbicha> or become a Core dev I guess
[12:16] <Laney> I'm sure someone would have sponsored a package for you, but as I said I was already testing the same thing
[12:16] <Laney> Less haste would have let you find that out
[12:19] <Laney> Quite glad that ual stuff got done
[12:19] <jbicha> I hadn't seen s390x discussed here in the past few days
[12:20] <jbicha> so it surprised me when I started getting LP emails 'indicator-datetime_15.10+17.04.20170309-0ubuntu1_s390x.changes (Rejected)'
[14:19] <alexarnaud> morning all :P !
[18:10] <Laney> night!
[18:22] <willcooke> Good night all, have a hoopy one


[08:25] <thesyko> guys, i would like to ask 1 question
[08:26] <thesyko> can i install a windows virtual machine in the ubuntu cloud software?
[08:31] <flaccid> thesyko: iirc there are articles on the net on creating windows euca images
[13:57] <kim0> Hi everyone .. We now have a cloud forum on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=392
[13:57] <kim0> and there is a first thread at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1558900
[13:58] <kim0> let's please try to get this rolling
[14:21]  * kim0 watches the croud welcome Daviey
[14:21]  * Daviey hides.