[12:38] <ricotz> hello, I am currently admin of https://launchpad.net/~vala-team and the original owner of the team has deleted his account. Is it possible for me to acquire the ownership?
[12:40] <cjwatson> ricotz: We can certainly consider it (though if you're already an admin then being the owner doesn't add much); please file a question
[12:40] <cjwatson> But
[12:40] <cjwatson> The owner didn't delete their own account; it was disabled administratively due to bug spam
[12:40] <cjwatson> Which was of the "forged From address" type, so possibly a compromised address book or something
[12:41] <ricotz> I see, since the account page was gone I assumed it was deleted
[12:41] <ricotz> ok, will file a question
[12:41] <cjwatson> I've unsuspended their account in favour of the newer protection we have against that type of spam, but they'd need to log in to reactivate it
[12:41] <cjwatson> If you're in contact with them then can you let them know?
[12:42] <cjwatson> (though if we suspended their account for that then they probably hadn't been active for a while)
[12:42] <ricotz> I am not in contact with Philipp Schlesinger
[12:47] <ricotz> cjwatson, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/675870
[12:48] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:28] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Do you actually just want to rename the team and bring the old mailing list archives with it?
[13:31] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: We don't need to export the archive to you in order to do that - we can move it across internally
[13:31] <cjwatson> (We have an internally-documented process for that - it hasn't been used for some time but AFAIK should still work)
[13:52] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Oh, sure. We don't plan on using the LP mailing list (in favor of a private l.u.c one) but the archives should be kept.
[13:55] <cjwatson> Our process for that is https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists#Renaming_your_team
[13:56] <cjwatson> It's a bit back-and-forth but if we do it during the working day it could happen reasonably quickly
[13:58] <tsimonq2> Sure, I'll be (consistently) around in ~ 20 minutes?
[14:15] <cjwatson> sure
[14:20] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Alright, hi.
[14:20] <tsimonq2> The mailing list is deactivated, so I just need to purge it, right?
[14:21] <tsimonq2> (Seems a bit odd that I have to purge it and then ask an LP admin to recover it. :P)
[14:23] <tsimonq2> Hm, yeah, seems like what the docs say...
[14:25] <tsimonq2> "By purging this list, you guarantee that there are no artifacts of this mailing list (such as its persistent archives) that need to be manually changed, backed up, deleted, or renamed."
[14:25] <tsimonq2> That seems to be against what the docs imply...
[14:26] <cjwatson> I am reasonably sure that purging in fact does not delete the archive, but we can get an admin to back it up first
[14:27] <tsimonq2> Alright, I'll go ahead then.
[14:28] <tsimonq2> Renamed, and mailing list re-activated.
[14:36] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: all done
[14:40] <tsimonq2> Thanks!


[06:29] <nandersson> Hi, how can we get samba 4.1.8 into Ubuntu 14.04.1? Current version is samba 4.1.6 and it contains bugs that makes it impossible to use realmd to join the AD DC.
[06:29] <nandersson> 4.1.8 is present in Utopic
[09:53] <ki7mt> Anyone know if Python3 will be the default Python in Utopic?
[09:54] <bazhang_> Version 2.7.6-2 (utopic)
[09:55] <ki7mt> Thanks bazhang_ I though I read a message from Shuttlworth said that Python3 was going center stage as he put it, maybe the the next release after that I guess.
[09:56] <ki7mt> I've got three apps, using Python3 that need ading to Debian/Ubuntu, and it's a real pain to get the correct Numpy version along with it if Python27.x Numpy / F2PY is also installed.
[09:57] <ki7mt> Anyways, that's answered that, thanks.
[10:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[21:28] <derEremit> hi, the new kernel broke unity on my thinkpad (intel gpu)
[21:28] <derEremit> unity --replace states plugin opengl not found
[21:28] <derEremit> "plugin opengl not loaded"
[21:33] <Beldar> derEremit, Does the previous kernel still work?
[21:34] <derEremit> yes
[21:34] <derEremit> 3.15.0-5-generic works
[21:34] <derEremit> can't run ubuntu-bug as i can't start a terminal or browser
[21:35] <Beldar> derEremit, If it were me I would purge it, 3.15.0-5-generic is fine and wait for the next kernel upgrade
[21:35] <Beldar> that's me though
[21:36] <Beldar> derEremit, Are you using proprietary graphics drivers?
[21:37] <derEremit> ok, just wanted to let someone know. I'm no dev but this machine always runs on ubuntu+1 and had not a single critical bug up until now
[21:38] <derEremit> no, i was using bumblebee and nvidia-prima but now have everything purged and deactivated the seperate nvidia card in bios
[21:38] <Beldar> derEremit, I wonder if compiz has the unity plugin unticked.
[21:39] <derEremit> seems fine in compizconfig
[21:39] <derEremit> as i said it runs with 3.15.0-5-generic
[21:39] <Beldar> derEremit, So waht had you running unity --replace
[21:41] <Beldar> this for the game or de
[21:41] <derEremit> sorry compiz --replace ?
[21:43] <Beldar> derEremit, So where did you get that command for 14.10, and why did you run it?
[21:44] <derEremit> thats what i always did when "debugging" unity problems on prior releases
[21:44] <derEremit> sorry, i'm no developer, i just have one machine where i like to help test the new stuff
[21:44] <Beldar> derEremit, The commands have changed in releases to some extent
[21:45] <Beldar> not a debugg command really
[21:46] <derEremit> ok, i can live with that kernel and test if the next release works again, just wanted to know how i could help debug if that problem persists
[21:47] <Beldar> derEremit, Problem is your running a command I do not recognize, to really help you have to know what your doing, just not want to help is all. ;)
[21:52] <Beldar> derEremit, I see part of thet command on the compiz site, however you would use the ubuntu debugg tools I would think. http://wiki.compiz.org/Troubleshooting
[21:52] <Beldar> that*
[21:55] <derEremit> yes. ok, thanks for now, i think i will try to get a little more into it and probably return when i'm sure i know what i'm doing ;) starting with that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs
[21:56] <Beldar> derEremit, Honestly you seem to need this more than you actually know what to do, you reflect on that E.g. how does it help if you are not sure if filing a bug
[21:56] <Beldar> have to reflect*
[21:59] <Beldar> I'm not saying your heart is not in the right place, but is this necessary to you, or actual development and does it really muddy up the development process
[22:03] <derEremit> basically came here to check if someone says: yes we know this is a bug, or some hints on how i could trace the problem. Finding some information on where unity logs error when it just doesn't work is not that trivial.
[22:06] <Beldar> derEremit, You have not answered why you are debugging, nor have said anything about logs, nor recognizing your drives are not what is needed, but skills.
[22:09] <derEremit> I recognized that some chat lines ago!
[22:09] <derEremit> bye


[01:12] <TheMuso> ~/c
[03:52] <un214> just discovered leaving the grub packages in a chrooted system is a good way to fry the host
[06:12] <pitti> Good morning
[06:15] <ion> rning
[07:18] <pitti> zul: mysql question for you in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/608423/comments/6
[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <ion> that
[10:01] <LucidFox> Wow, I didn't know Upstart was used in so many systems now
[10:24] <diwic> How do I create a symlink (inside a make install target) that works in a .deb?
[10:26] <diwic> E g, the following does not work: ln -s $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/dir1/file1  $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/dir2/file2 - because when the deb is installed, the symlink will point to /buildd/debian/somewhere
[10:29] <TheMuso> diwic: You can use debian/packagename.links to create symlinks
[10:29] <TheMuso> man dh_link
[10:30] <diwic> TheMuso, thanks, I'll try that
[10:30] <TheMuso> np
[10:32] <azeem> diwic: in general, do relative symlinks
[10:33] <lool> cjwatson: ssh-import-lp-id man page mentions ssh-import-id in synopsys; mind fixing that in the packaging repo?   I think I tried that, but perhaps I removed it from the wrong path. Anyway, TheMuso's solution worked.
[12:48] <zul> pitti: *sigh* ok :)
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Hi everyone!
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Can anyone tell me if the developers of "software-sources" have an channel-sources?
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Cause I want to run the process for selecting the best Mirror server, every time before making an update to some program, for obtain more speed downloading
[13:27] <zul> pitti: fixed
[13:33] <Chipzz> pkramerruiz: that would be pointless, since you would be running apt-get update each time, which would pull in several MB in itself
[14:28]  * apw is hearing rumours that the maverick CDs live dailies are borked at the moment, syslinux errors
[14:44]  * apw confirms that the i386 image is unbootable ... 'Unknown keyword in configuration file'
[14:56] <apw> pitti, it seems that maverick isos have the wrong version is SYSLINUX installed on them ... they are booting and indicating 3.63, but the version in maverick is 4.01
[14:56] <apw> i am suspicous that the config file has been updated to the new format, but the binary somehow not
[14:58] <pitti> zul: rejected mysql; it seems $ret is not initialized to '0' on success, and you need to upload with -v
[14:59] <pitti> zul: i. e. if $x is undefined, I get
[14:59] <pitti> $ LANG= [ $x -eq 0 ]
[14:59] <pitti> bash: [: -eq: unary operator expected
[14:59] <zul> pitti: k thanks
[15:00] <apw> pitti, who owns the generation of the maverick isos ?
[15:00] <pitti> apw: usually cron
[15:00] <pitti> apw: hm, not sure how syslinux comes into play here
[15:02] <apw> pitti, somehow the version on the images is out of step with the archive.  though the real issue is that the verson on there does not understand the configuration file built for it while building the iso ... so it errors out and does not boot
[15:02] <apw> its not clear how long the iso's have been broken
[15:03] <pitti> they kept failing to build quite often, too
[15:03] <pitti> kernel changed often, before langpacks rebuilt, etc.
[15:03] <pitti> not that easy to get something installable :)
[15:05] <apw> pitti heh .. typical
[15:06] <apw> pitti, so do we normally defer to mr. watson on this stuff ?  i think he is away
[15:06] <pitti> right, he's on holiday
[15:07] <apw> t'is a worry with a-3 fast approaching
[15:10] <ion> pitti: I prefer the paranoid style in sh programming: put *all* variable references in quotes, unless there’s a reason not to. :-)
[15:11] <pitti> ion: right, but it'd break either way
[15:11] <pitti> if $x is empty, [ "$x" -eq 0 ] still errors out
[15:11] <ion> Yeah, but the error would be about an illegal number, not a missing operand. :-)
[15:11] <pitti> apw: hm, I don't see anything relevant on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/maverick/daily-live-20100727.log
[15:12] <pitti> and I don't see how it should be the livefs; syslinux should be a matter of the actual .iso build
[15:13] <apw> pitti, i assume there is some floppy which is combined with the live fs to make its an el-torito bootable what-sit
[15:13] <ogra> apw, right, thats what debian-cd does
[15:14] <apw> ogra, ok what makes the contents of the flippy ?
[15:14] <ogra> it pulls the livefs from the live builder and creates an iso around it
[15:14] <ogra> there is no "floppy" :)
[15:14] <ogra> its just syslinux copied into an iso or vfat
[15:14] <apw> ogra, ok but to make a bootable CD you have to supply a floppy don't you?  in the CD and magic point to it
[15:15] <ogra> no
[15:15] <apw> ogra, to re-cap.  maverick CD's stopped working sometime recently
[15:15] <ogra> you just copy the isolinix or syslinux binaries into the image file
[15:15] <apw> the issue looks to be a configuration issue for syslinux, which is oddly an older version
[15:15] <apw> 3.63 from lucid and not the one from maverick
[15:15] <ogra> right, it might be that the debian-cd scripts pull from the host machine
[15:15] <ogra> which would get you the hardy version
[15:16]  * pitti found ~/cdimage/debian-cd/tools/boot/maverick/boot-{i386,amd64} now, looking
[15:16] <ogra> right
[15:16] <ogra> thats the script
[15:16] <apw> so i wonder if its meant to be updated and the config in maverick is matching the new one
[15:16] <apw> ogra, its the one from lucid it seems
[15:16] <apw> BUT its possible the host was updated from hardy to lucid ...
[15:16] <pitti> apw: is that isolinux.cfg?
[15:16] <apw> i know one of our machines was so upgraded recently
[15:17] <apw> pitti, i am unsure, though if you have that i'd say so
[15:17] <ogra> ogra@antimony:~$ lsb_release -a 2>/dev/null|grep Code
[15:17] <ogra> Codename:	hardy
[15:17] <apw> ogra, ok the one on there is 3.63, which seems to be lucid level
[15:17] <ogra> right
[15:18] <apw> pitti, actualy isolinux sounds wrong
[15:18] <ogra> i gues there is some code missing to pull the maveric one into the image
[15:18] <ogra> isolinux is right for the isos
[15:18] <ogra> otherwise its syslinux for the vfat images
[15:18] <apw> pitti, oh but it does seem to be so
[15:18] <apw> syslinux.cfg/isolinux.cfg:
[15:18]  * pitti defers to ogra then; NFC about this stuff, and I'm betwen two meetings now
[15:18] <apw> is mentioned in the source for syslinux
[15:19]  * ogra hasnt any clue about the sys/isolinux changes either
[15:19] <ogra> but i'll take a look at the code
[15:19] <pitti> didrocks: ^ that just means that you can't get a (working) respin of the CD
[15:19] <apw> both packages were changed a long time ago, weeks in both cases
[15:19] <pitti> didrocks: I advise to take the alpha-2 image with a persistency file and upgrade packages in-place
[15:20] <didrocks> pitti: urgh, this ISO for Guadec sounds like a malediction :(
[15:20] <didrocks> ogra: pitti: yesterday's iso has the same iso?
[15:20] <didrocks> issue*
[15:22] <ogra> apw, colin changed the code on friday
[15:22] <apw> ogra, to ?
[15:22] <apw> i mean which bit did he change ?
[15:22] <apw> which package
[15:22] <ogra> making i386 and amd64 use syslinix-coomon instead of syslinux
[15:22] <ogra> *common
[15:22] <apw> hrm ...
[15:24] <ogra> apw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/469833/
[15:26] <apw> ogra, syslinux-common only exists in maverick ... but the version number reported on actual boot isn't that new one (4.01)
[15:26] <ogra> well, the code seems to pull syslinux-common from maverick
[15:26] <ogra> which was the last usable image ?
[15:27] <apw> ogra, yeah ... which may well make sense... except ... they say 3.63 when booting
[15:27] <ogra> there were some changes before ... though they dont touch syslinux code directly
[15:27] <apw> ogra, last one i booted was the 5th so i am not much use
[15:27] <ogra> hmm
[15:28] <ogra> well, its hard to tell which change broke it if i dont know the date
[15:28] <ogra> there is some new code that makes use of gfxboot.c32
[15:28] <apw> ogra, yeah only came to my attention today, do we keep any older ones?
[15:29] <ogra> 3 days of successfull builds usually
[15:30] <apw> ogra, so they would all be after the last change ... hrmph
[15:30]  * apw asks arround ... to find out who last booted one and when
[15:31] <ogra> is syslinux-common in main already ?
[15:32] <apw> ogra, how does one tell, the source claims to be in main
[15:33] <hallyn> to make a sync request, can i subscribe 'ubuntu-release' to the original bug, or should i file a new bug referencign the original (fixed) bug?
[15:33] <ScottK> apw: rmadison will tell you at least for non-ports archs.
[15:33] <apw> ogra, though from the binary he is trying to extract i'd be supprised if its in the -common file
[15:34] <ogra> apw, he pulls isolinux.bin, vesamenu.c32 and gfxboot.c32 out of that package
[15:35] <apw> ogra, and they do indeed seem to be in there somewhat supprisingly to me
[15:38] <superm1> apw, pitti: is the problem only present in maverick builds installed to usb with a lucid usb creator?
[15:38] <superm1> eg maverick isos directly on a cd or in a vm work fine
[15:38] <apw> superm1, i have put the iso on a grub booted disk and they boot there
[15:38] <ogra> apw,   * Adding recommends to libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl in syslinux-common   (Closes: #567649).
[15:39] <ogra> from the syslinux changelog
[15:39] <ogra> libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl is in universe
[15:39] <apw> i would expect the issue to affect every use model of an ISO though
[15:39] <apw> ogra, ok ... what would that mean
[15:39] <superm1> bug 608382
[15:39] <apw> that its not usable, and we fall back to an older one ?
[15:39] <apw> superm1, yes thats the error we are chasing
[15:40] <ogra> apw, thats what surprises me, i wouldnt expect it to fall back to anything but fail the image build
[15:40] <superm1> syslinux gets installed to the key from the usb-creator on the system, so the version in lucid is older than that in maverick
[15:40] <superm1> and hence doesn't support the new 'ui' keyword
[15:40] <apw> superm1, OH
[15:40] <apw> hrm
[15:40] <apw> so this is a bug in the usb-creator only ?
[15:41] <apw> ogra, ^^
[15:41] <apw> i'll try making a CD to confirm
[15:41] <ogra> apw, ah, that might be, try a real iso to confirm ;)
[15:42] <apw> making plastic now
[15:42] <superm1> if you use usb-creator on a maverick system it should in theory work fine (or if you backport syslinux to lucid)
[15:42] <apw> superm1, i can also try that combination
[15:42] <apw> though that is poor
[15:42] <apw> a backport seems more appropriate
[15:43] <superm1> well backporting it would cause usb-creator to fail to make lucid keys on lucid (beware)
[15:44] <apw> superm1, HRMPH
[15:44] <didrocks> I have the current iso which will be synced in 30 minutes, I'll try usb-creator there
[15:44] <apw> didrocks, thanks
[15:45] <pitti> didrocks: you could temporarily install maverick's syslinux for making the stick, I suppose?
[15:45] <didrocks> pitti: I'm already on maverick on my netbook, so, should be fine there, isn't?
[15:45] <pitti> ah, right
[15:45] <apw> pitti, this is a bit of a disaster :/
[15:46] <apw> so is the isolinux.cfg within the image ?
[15:46] <apw> but usbcreator uses a local binary to make the stick versiion?
[15:46] <ogra> yes, but i have no idea if usb-creator rewrites it
[15:46] <apw> perhaps we should be sucking it out of the image
[15:47] <apw> sounds like a bug in usb-creator rahter than anything else
[15:47] <ogra> usb-creator should use both from the image file
[15:47] <apw> yeah
[15:47] <ogra> but iirc it wasnt possible to just replace isolinux with syslinux before
[15:50] <apw> ogra, ok confirmed the real iso has 4.01 on it and boots as expected
[15:50] <apw> so this is not an image issue, panic off :)
[15:50] <ogra> phew
[15:51] <ogra> file a bug :)
[15:51] <apw> the bug is there already
[15:51] <ogra> oh, k
[15:51] <apw> just updatinging it now and adding a new task on usb-creator
[15:51] <ogra> file a patch then :)
[15:51]  * apw needs to find the author and rattle them
[15:51]  * ogra points apw to ev
[15:52] <superm1> an alternate way to solve this might be to set a fallback if gfxboot fails
[15:53] <superm1> so lucid and earlier users would see a different bootsplash screen that's more texty, but functional
[15:53] <apw> yeah though that makes the sexy installer less sexy
[15:53] <superm1> or even make lucid and earlier boot directly to installer and just not give them a menu
[15:55] <ev> branches welcome on usb-creator using syslinux from the ISO.
[16:10] <didrocks> ogra: pitti apw: just confirming that it works well with last nebook ISO and maverick usb creator
[16:10] <apw> ev, are the bits you need even on the CD ?
[16:10] <didrocks> pitti: can you make an UNE respin once unity is built so?
[16:11] <pitti> didrocks: sure
[16:11] <didrocks> pitti: thanks a lot!
[16:12] <ev> apw: the manifest says we have syslinux in the squashfs, yes.
[16:12] <apw> ev, ok so it should be possible to fix this using the image ...
[16:12] <ev> apw: correct
[16:13] <ev> it just requires someone to do it, and all my time is going to the installer redesign at the moment
[16:13] <ev> so, someone else :-P
[16:13] <ev> to finishing the*
[16:13] <apw> ev, pitti, ok i am getting further happy confirmations that using maverick to make the usb images of maverick boot just fine
[16:14] <apw> so at least we have a work-arround
[16:14] <apw> ev ack
[16:14] <superm1> aren't you running into similar problems if you are loop mounting the squashfs to get syslinux out?  you would need to match versions still
[16:14] <superm1> (match versions of squashfs that is)
[16:14] <ev> how so?
[16:15] <superm1> try to loop mount a maverick squashfs on a hardy kernel (or something oldish) and you'll see that it complains that the squashfs major/minor doesn't match
[16:15] <ev> ah
[16:16] <ev> damn
[16:16] <superm1> also you wouldn't be able to burn amd64 cds to usb sticks on 32 bit systems anymore since you couldn't run the syslinux binary from that squashfs
[16:17] <ev> right, indeed
[16:17]  * ev ponders if the eventual switch to grub2 buys us anything here
[16:18] <superm1> it'll probably be worse actually
[16:18] <superm1> at this point you can come up with hacks/workarounds for fallbacks in syslinux i believe
[16:19] <ev> yeah, seems like the fallback approach you suggested above is our only real option
[16:29] <shtylman> is there a reason that neither the xulrunner nor xulrunner-dev package create a libmozjs symlink in /usr/lib? one has it under the /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2/ folder and the other in an sdk folder... what is the proper path to search for when linking against mozjs then?
[16:30] <apw> ev, well we could consider changing the ISO to contain the file we need (its only one right and tiny) in the un-squashed bit of the image
[16:31] <superm1> another alternate more hacky solution might be an SRU to older usb-creators to detect newer cds and s/ui\ gfxboot/gfxboot/
[16:31] <apw> yeah
[16:31]  * apw goes confirm that its just the mbr which is an issue
[16:34] <apw> ahh no we do run syslinux too ... so we'd fail there too ... bah
[16:44] <apw> superm1, i suspect your hacky solution is a 'fair' one for the moment
[16:45] <mkarnicki> It there a nice way to write binary masks in java? Should I use hex values, binary shift operator, or just 1, 2, 4, 8.. values?
[16:45] <mkarnicki> Argh, forgot to say Hi :)
[16:46] <apw> mkarnicki, for C i have always uses (1 << N) for bit N
[16:46] <apw> i assume java has the same semantics
[16:46] <mkarnicki> apw: same here, but I'm not sure what's the Java-fu or JAva-way of doing this :)
[16:47] <mkarnicki> apw: I'll use 1 << n for time being
[16:47] <mkarnicki> apw: thanks
[16:58] <apw> superm1, i've tested your sed incantation and it seems to work for this particular purpose
[16:58] <apw> so i've recorded it as a work-arround in the bug
[17:00] <ogra> we just need to copy the binaries into the vfat or the iso
[17:00] <ogra> that way you cant hit squashfs issues
[18:18] <geser> Riddell: are still removals in Debian unstable regularly "imported" into Ubuntu or should removal bugs get filed?
[18:19] <Riddell> geser: I guess I can do removals today
[18:26] <ansgar> To get a package imported from Debian that does not yet exist Ubuntu, should I just fill a sync request as usual?
[18:28] <geser> ansgar: yes
[18:39] <andreoli> Hi, i'd like to build my own modified ubuntu kernel package and host it through a PPA, Can I blindly follow https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage ?
[18:40] <Riddell> tjaalton: can libxxf86misc be removed?  it's gone in debian
[18:40] <andreoli> to supersede the official ubuntu name, is it sufficient to rename the package name by adding a ppan suffix? Or do I have to fiddle with files in the debian directory?
[18:41] <andreoli> Is this the right channel for *.deb and launchpad questions?
[18:43] <Riddell> andreoli: you can add a ppa suffix to the version number and that'll make it a newer version than the normal version
[18:43] <Riddell> andreoli: I believe there's a #ubuntu-packaging for packaging
[18:43] <andreoli> thx a lot
[19:00] <tjaalton> Riddell: if there are no reverse-deps left, then yes
[19:08] <zul> pitti: ping http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/469912/
[19:23]  * Riddell wonders if we want to follow debian in removing swfdec0.8 from the archive
[19:23] <maco> its about 18mo old isnt it?
[19:23] <maco> and while there've been commits to vcs since then, not many, and no new releases
[19:31] <pitti> zul: hm, where did the break go?
[19:31] <zul> pitti: i removed it...this might be a better solution
[19:31] <pitti> zul: but now you always ping 30 times
[19:32] <zul> pitti:good point
[19:33] <zul> pitti: at this point im open to suggests
[19:33] <zul> pitti: suggestions even
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> Riddell, i'm sure i remember rob savoye saying at UDS that swfdec is pretty much dead (although i might be wrong there)
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> and see here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/swfdec/2010-January/002490.html
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> i don't think there's a reason to keep it in the archive really
[19:34] <pitti> zul: oh, hang on, "exec" -> that could work indeed
[19:35] <pitti> zul: I missed that
[19:35] <pitti> zul: at this point we know that $HOME/debian-start exists and is executable?
[19:36] <micahg> +1 for swfdec removal
[19:36] <zul> pitti: it should...if they didnt do any funky stuff while trying to uninstall mysql because they think its broken
[19:37] <pitti> zul: ah, it's mysql's $HOME, not any user's
[19:37] <zul> pitti: correct
[19:37] <rsavoye> swfdec is dead
[19:37] <pitti> zul: what sets mysql's $HOME here? upstart scripts are run as root?
[19:38] <rsavoye> they started shipping Gnash instwad of swfdec in GNOME
[19:38] <zul> pitti: lemme show you the whole upstart job
[19:38] <zul> pitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/469922/
[19:39] <pitti> env HOME=/etc/mysql
[19:39] <pitti> ah
[19:40] <pitti> zul: ok, looks fine to me
[19:40] <zul> pitti: cool thanks
[19:40] <pitti> zul: "end scrip
[19:40] <pitti> -> cut&paste error, I presume?
[19:41] <zul> pitti: yeap cut&paste error
[21:20] <Sarvatt> Riddell: libxxf86misc and x11proto-xf86misc can both go - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/PackageNotes
[23:41] <RoAkSoAx> Hi all, I'm having a package that is FTBFS after updating my pbuilder (today) with "fatal error: ltdl.h: No such file or directory" . Any ideas why might this be?
[23:49] <TheMuso> RoAkSoAx: Sounds like you need to build-depend on libltdl-dev.
[23:50] <TheMuso> Without looking into it further, so thats at a glance at your error.
[23:50] <RoAkSoAx> TheMuso: yeah that's what I was thinking of, but what I wonder is why it was working yesterday and not today after updating my pbuilder
[23:51] <TheMuso> RoAkSoAx: no idea.
[23:52] <RoAkSoAx> TheMuso: Might it be because one of its build-deps requires libltdl3-dev? And i should amke a transition to libltdl7-dev?
[23:52] <TheMuso> Possibly
[23:54] <RoAkSoAx> TheMuso: thanks!


 Type lubuntu 20.04.6, you will get the iso images.... (re @Leokolb: Comments on DistrWatch re 20.04 updates ..https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=showheadline&story=15590)
 well aware of this - my post was for info only..thanks anyway (re @BlackKnight987: Type lubuntu 20.04.6 on google, you will get the iso images....)
[12:46] <NONE> hey im about to download but i wanted tpo ask about it said to join here first
[12:46] <NONE> so i was curious about the daily lunar lobster
[12:47] <NONE> ...just how lunar lobstery is is it?   Will I rage within minutes of boot like I do ast windows and Arch?
[12:48] <NONE> which one do i get? I think the about to be unsupported images work the best on my hardware
[12:48] <guiverc> I have no idea what you're asking, but lunar is still technically in ALPHA stage, if you apply all upgrades it'll continue to advance & within days switch to BETA.. and on release will be the released product (actually it'll become the released product when we reach RC or Release Candidate stage)
[12:48] <NONE> I am somewhat concerned that the warningh thing pops up reminding me of that
[12:49] <NONE> oh ok im not no alpha user
[12:49] <NONE> ty
[12:49] <NONE> you likly saved me 3 hours of frustration
 I just posted https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/ubuntu-20-04-6-was-released/4114 which should address I hope (my intention anyway)...   I didn't feel it warranted being 'announcement' thus why it's hidden in support  (I actually considered off-topic!?) (re @Leokolb: Comments on DistrWatch re 20.04 updates ..https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=showheadline&story=15590)
 thanks @guiverc :)
[14:14] <arraybolt3> o/ Last day before Beta Freeze!
[14:14] <arraybolt3> Got one bug I'm working on fixing (it's not that important but it is a nice-to-fix at least), here's hoping I can get it done today.
[14:53] <arraybolt3> Would like some input on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-update-notifier/+bug/2012702, I definitely found a bug and think I found what's causing it, would like some advice on how to fix it if the ways I'm suggesting seem wrong.
[14:53] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2012702 in lubuntu-update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Download progress indicators no longer appear in Lunar" [Undecided, New]
[14:53] <arraybolt3> Also if this is a race condition like I suspect, it's possible other people's computers aren't having this problem.
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[15:40] <arraybolt3> Fantastic. That worked... and now something has broken lubuntu-notifier.py :P
[15:40] <arraybolt3> And it broke before the new fix, so it's not my fault. This is crazy.
[15:47] <arraybolt3> Hey, found a fix! Woot! This time it was a legitimate coding error that made the upgrade dialog not appear if packages needed to be removed as part of the upgrade procedure.
[15:47] <arraybolt3> Alright, I guess I'll get both these fixes into the beta and then work on pushing the notifier fix out via an SRU.
[15:49] <Roberalz[m]> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: great!!!!!
[17:48] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-update-notifier (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.5.1~22.04.2 => 0.5.1~22.04.3] (lubuntu)
[21:47] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-update-notifier (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.5.1~22.10.2 => 0.5.1~22.10.3] (lubuntu)
[21:48] <arraybolt3> Alright, SRU set up.
[21:49] <arraybolt3> And I already uploaded the fix for the lubuntu-update-notifier oddness to Lunar so that should hopefully be fixed soon. Might not make the beta, but it should at least make the release.


[18:51] <noobuntu> !?
[18:54] <noobuntu> is it prudent to have ubuntu studio bootable from a 64gb usb?
[19:04] <noobuntu> hello!?


[23:47] <Esteri> vocx: well..i still run a windows 2000 box..and about a year ago a 98 box
[23:47] <panv> LoCoBoi187, what is your machine type >?
[23:47] <LoCoBoi187> Halitech....
[23:48] <LoCoBoi187> panv pavillion, they all have audio problems but i fixed mine and all of a sudden this BS happened
[23:48]  * Esteri understands not wanting to let go of things :P you get used to it and you don't want to change
[23:48] <panv> i am having the same...
[23:48] <panv> is it the type where you have a touch slider ??
[23:48] <panv> for up / down /??
[23:49] <LoCoBoi187> ?????
[23:49] <panv> the volume control... is it touch-type ? LoCoBoi187  ??
[23:49] <LoCoBoi187> touch type?
[23:49] <panv> like your mousepad...
[23:49] <GhotiPhud> Halitech: The download was going at around 650KB/s till 63% and now it's stopped completely
[23:49] <panv> touchpad.
[23:50] <panv> LoCoBoi187, how can i send a simple command to produce any sound in a terminal ?
[23:50] <LoCoBoi187> panv yeah
[23:50] <panv> are you using 64bit version ??
[23:50] <sukuri> In 8.04, Ubuntu had a wonderful program that you could add to the panel called something like: "All in One Desktop Search" or something like that. As far as I can tell, it has been removed from 9.04. How do I get it back?
[23:50] <LoCoBoi187> panv yeah
[23:51] <panv> welcome brother.. we are facing the same problem.
[23:51] <LoCoBoi187> i just downloaded pulseaudio device chooser and when i play a music the system detects
[23:51] <panv> LoCoBoi187, how can i send a simple command to produce any sound in a terminal ?
[23:51] <LoCoBoi187> it just wont freakin output
[23:51] <LoCoBoi187> i dont remember panv
[23:51] <panv> lol
[23:51]  * Esteri is afk
[23:51] <panv> what is this pulseaudiodevice chooser ??? LoCoBoi187  ?>?
[23:51] <otr> Hi, I'm trying to get xfce-notify to react when I turn capslock on/off, but when I go into the settings manager and set up a shortcut, it only recognizes the capslock key, and not whether I'm turning it on or off. There a way to have the software react according to whether I'm truning capslock on or off?
[23:52] <Iradieh__> Are there any advantages of running xfce instead of Gnome, I mean looked around and most people say that Ubuntu isnt that heavy that XFce4 is necessary?
[23:52] <LoCoBoi187> panv look it up in the snpatic package thing
[23:52] <^cheeky> hi, how do i make ff-3.5 my default browser in 9.04 as i also have ff 3.0 which came with 9.04
[23:52] <otr> Iradieh__, xfce doesn't look as pretty but it's MUCH lighter and snappier
[23:53] <peepsalot> i remember reading a while ago that there is a command you can use to see all installed packages, so that you can do a fresh install and easily have all your apps there again.  anyone know how this is done?
[23:53] <hozomean> Iradieh__: xfce has a smaller footprint... probably not noticabe if you;re on nice hardware, but definitely noticable on older machines
[23:53] <losher> Iradieh__: if your machine isn't labouring under gnome, then there's no reason to move away from it...
[23:53] <Halitech> LoCoBoi187, I have no idea, I've never come across a case where lowering the volume killed the sound
[23:53] <Iradieh__> ok
[23:53] <Iradieh__> Well I probably use alot of gnome stuff, so Might as well have gnome running
[23:53] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: easy : control center > preferred applications > customized > "firefox %s" in the command box
[23:53] <vocx> peepsalot, I think it's in the manual page of "apt-get" or maybe "dpkg"  I remember something like that.
[23:54] <Halitech> GhotiPhud, good speed till it died ... do you know what NICs you have installed?
[23:54] <GhotiPhud> I have an intel 5300 wireless card
[23:54] <xiphos> is there a command that will show you all of the perl modules that you have installed? maybe something in CPAN?
[23:54] <panv> LoCoBoi187, how should i use this pulse something .??
[23:54] <Halitech> GhotiPhud, are all the ubuntu machines using the same card?
[23:54] <martyd> hello, I just did a fresh install of 9.04 x86_64 and i'm having trouble getting an nvidia driver installed
[23:54] <^cheeky> JohnCorbeau, ummm control center .. in ubuntu or ff this is ?>
[23:54] <vocx> xiphos, maybe you can look at /usr/lib/perl or some directory like that
[23:55] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: actually "firefox-3.5 %s" is what you want
[23:55] <GhotiPhud> Halitech: hold on and I'll look
[23:55] <LoCoBoi187> panv just start it, it will be in ur sys tray
[23:55] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: oops sorry I'm not using the menus
[23:55] <panv> it is already installed and in my sys tray
[23:55] <^cheeky> JohnCorbeau, lol, sorry i dont follow
[23:56] <panv> my problem is that i cannot hear anyvoice ata ll LoCoBoi187
[23:56] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: should be in the system menu, one of the two menus for settings
[23:56] <GhotiPhud> Halitech: the other computer is using a Broadcom BCM4312
[23:56] <FAJ> hi, how can i get a package upgraded in the repoes w/o being an upstream update request??
[23:56] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: in the system menu
[23:56] <LoCoBoi187> clikc on it once panv
[23:57] <^cheeky> JohnCorbeau,  yeah i see it thank you :)
[23:57] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky:  preferences > preferred applications
[23:57] <Halitech> GhotiPhud, to eliminate it being the wireless, any way of hooking up a wired connection and seeing if it acts the same way?
[23:57] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: sorry I'm translating so it might not read the same as on your box
[23:57] <vocx> FAJ, in general you can't. But you could get the source, compile it, package it, create a deb, and install it.
[23:57] <FAJ> vocx; oh ok...
[23:57] <FAJ> thanks
[23:57] <^cheeky> JohnCorbeau, umm translating from what ?
[23:58] <JohnCorbeau> ^cheeky: French
[23:58] <GhotiPhud> Halitech: I've done that and hooked straight to the modem same results on both computers... Vista works fine wireless and wired
[23:58] <panv> the application is up.. but i cannot see anything in my sys tray
[23:58] <panv> LoCoBoi187,
[23:58] <Halitech> GhotiPhud, just wanted to confirm that its not a router or wireless card issue
[23:59] <GhotiPhud> understood, thank you
[23:59] <martyd> I just did a fresh install of 9.04 x86_64 and i'm having trouble getting an nvidia driver installed (both from nvidia.com and the restricted driver)
[23:59] <LoCoBoi187> panv do u see something saying MONO voume slider or something?
[23:59] <wfiuewfew> Hi! I am wondering if 9.04 desktop autoplays cds. I.e., is there a risk that if I put in a cd with malware that my computer will be infected?
[23:59] <panv> i have the volume control
[23:59] <panv> LoCoBoi187,


[23:31] <bazhang> the movie recommenders guide to fixing linux
[23:32] <bazhang> I know what I DONT want


[12:05] <Lesewesen> Hi is there a current guide on how to compile a custom kernel for ubuntu 18.04? I just want to patch the wireless driver "intel/iwlegacy" to disable powersave.
[18:28] <Eca_flipette> plpo
[18:28] <Eca_flipette> plop*
[18:38] <Eca_flipette> Which language is this chan *o* ?
[18:38] <wxl> all of the standard *buntu channels are english
[18:38] <Eca_flipette> Hm'kay
[18:39] <Eca_flipette> =)
[18:39] <Eca_flipette> \afk
[19:15] <zleap> English,


[02:59] <b7uesm1rf> ok im here! we can party now lol!
[18:28] <tgm4883> Is anyone here for the Ubuntu TV meeting?
[18:29] <tgm4883> because I will totally have a meeting if anyone wants to have one
[18:29] <AndroUser> sry - crestednewt here. forgot about hospital appoint for wife
[18:30] <mhall119> tgm4883: do you have anything to discuss or show off?
[18:30] <tgm4883> not much, currently I've finished getting the mythtv scope working again using JSON instead of XML
[18:30] <AndroUser> i have nothing. bobweaver has gone quiet
[18:31] <mhall119> I know he's been experimenting with stuff on the old 2d code
[18:31] <tgm4883> Currently writing the tvguide lens and mythtv guide scope
[18:31] <mhall119> not sure if there's anything new on the NUX side
[18:31]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[18:31] <tgm4883> we should discuss meetings for Dec 21 and Dec 28
[18:32] <tgm4883> since those are right square in holiday time
[18:32] <mhall119> yeah, holiday season means things will be slow for a while
[18:32] <AndroUser> i suggest they be cancelled
[18:33] <tgm4883> Personally, I think we should cancel Dec 28 meeting, and move the community questions meeting either to Dec 21st, or Jan 4th
[18:33] <tgm4883> I say the 21st, unless people think that is too close to christmas
[18:33] <tgm4883> in which case we can cancel that meeting too
[18:33] <mhall119> I'll be working
[18:34] <AndroUser> its my dads birthday so i will be out
[18:34] <tgm4883> Some people (me) will have that day off for travel
[18:34] <tgm4883> although i'm not going anywhere
[18:37] <CrestedNewt> sorry in docs waiting room - just downloaded this app
[18:37] <CrestedNewt> but will have to go when called in
[18:38] <CrestedNewt> so my suggestion is that the next 2 meetings are postponed intil the new year
[18:39] <tgm4883> Jan 4th
[18:39] <CrestedNewt> agreed
[18:39] <tgm4883> mhall119, can you cancel the next 2 meetings in the calendar?
[18:39] <mhall119> sure thing
[18:40] <mhall119> done
[18:40] <tgm4883> awesome
[18:40] <tgm4883> anything else from anyone?
[18:41] <CrestedNewt> not from me until i can talk to bobweaver offline
[18:42] <CrestedNewt> as i have offered to do the documentation
[18:46] <tgm4883> well then I think that ends the meeting then
[18:46] <tgm4883> if anyone needs to get ahold of me, feel free to ping me in #ubuntu-tv
[18:46] <CrestedNewt> (thinks ppl have gone quiet as they are suprised that i can write :-))
[18:46] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883. ok
[18:49] <CrestedNewt> is someone going to circ the meeting or should i just read it from archives?
[18:52] <CrestedNewt> gtg sry  oncologist calling us in. laters all and have a good christmas
[18:53] <tgm4883> oncologist.... Good luck
[22:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> !meeting


[00:22] <IdleOne> bkerensa: yup, all is fine. Thanks for asking :)
[05:32] <elfy> well I for one really like the way that the ubuntu.com site looks
[12:47] <SergioMeneses> hi everybody!
[12:48] <elfy> o/
[17:12] <popey> *sigh* http://www.linuxadvocates.com/2013/06/the-ubuntu-foss-community-merely-chumps.html
[17:14]  * pleia2 eyeroll
[17:15] <pleia2> too many insults and misconceptions in that article for me to take it seriously
[17:16] <popey> he's written half a dozen similarly clueless posts over the last week
[17:18] <pleia2> and the idealist in me really thought the "Ubuntu was ruined by Unity" once they realized Gnome2 was even abandoned by its authors and Gnome3 is a bit wonky too
[17:18] <pleia2> +would stop
[17:28] <jcastro> man that's an awesome article
[17:29] <pleia2> lol
[17:30] <pleia2> jcastro: that's because you work at canonical and are happy to see someone is finally breaking it to the community how things really are, you don't have to hide your evil anymore!
[17:30] <jcastro> I love it how he just makes things up without any references or evidence
[17:31] <jcastro> he must be like hanging out with boycott novell guy or something
[17:31] <pleia2> hahah
[17:40] <popey> even the boycott novell guy wont write for that site
[17:40] <popey> he wrote one article and then realised it was a bad idea and backed out
[17:40] <popey> http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/34616/
[17:41] <popey> " Dietrich, unlike Katherine, admits it's a kind of experiment to see who passes his "advocacy" test (I can find you the direct quote); he already used to site to attack -- in public -- some longterm advocates."


[00:09] <fujin_> anyone run Munin, in particular postfix_mailstats?
[00:19] <danp> yeah
[00:28] <fujin_> you do?
[00:28] <fujin_> danp: ping
[00:30] <danp> i do
[00:30] <fujin_> I'm trying to get postfix_mailstats on 3 servers
[00:30] <fujin_> into one 'total' mail throughput graph
[00:30] <fujin_> know how to do that?
[00:30] <fujin_> the documented methods aren't working
[00:30] <danp> i think i've seen examples but i've never tried it myself
[00:30] <fujin_> Damn.
[00:31] <fujin_> it looks like munin has gone stale aswell
[00:31] <fujin_> bloody hell
[01:04] <stansmith> i just installed ubuntu-server, and then i did "sudo apt-get install xorg gdm fluxbox", but flux is owned by root and i cant configure anything as a normal user, where did i go wrong?
[01:06] <Sier> you did wrong by leaving the channel.
[01:09] <nealmcb> Sier: well, this is the wrong channel for flux questions....
[01:38] <Sier> =x
[01:41] <Burgundavia> lots of people ask questions and then leave
[01:41] <Burgundavia> I have been guilty of it a few times myself
[01:42] <kgoetz> itll be one of those 'server needs gui so using flux' people
[01:49] <zul> heh twm would be better
[02:07] <fujin_> anyone around familiar with munin / postfix_mailstats?
[02:27] <fujin_> anyone know *anything* about munin?
[02:36] <antdedyet> fujin_: I used munin a little a long time ago on debian
[02:36] <fujin_> heh
[02:59] <davekempe> munin is a monitoring system or something right?
[03:02] <fujin_> graphing
[03:04] <davekempe> like cacti
[03:08] <fujin_> yeah
[03:08] <fujin_> like cacti, except without the bloat
[03:09] <fujin_> http://provdb.maxnet.net.nz/munin/
[03:13] <antdedyet> fujin_: are you just telling us about munin? :)
[03:13] <fujin_> antdedyet: no, davekempe was asking about it
[03:13] <fujin_> i had an issue which i've sinced resolved through hackery
[03:13] <antdedyet> ah ok ...
[03:16]  * antdedyet goes back to finding a way to put mutliple gigabytes of data inside a kvm image without waiting on the slow network throughput ... seems like a loop mount could work
[03:17] <davekempe> antdedyet, do you know of gigabit NIC support in kvm?
[03:21] <antdedyet> davekempe: no, I don't think I've explored that far yet ... the qemu man page only lists low-level driver names for supported nics, but I don't yet normally recognize a gigabit chipset by it's name and haven't considered journeying further when it just seems there should be a way to mount an image's filesystem and dump a file in there at disk io speeds.
[03:23] <davekempe> sure but you will have to take the guest offline
[03:25] <antdedyet> davekempe: that is definately a problem. I guess most situations may not have kvm running on a laptop.
[03:26] <davekempe> the only solutions i have seen for sharing a file system with a kvm guest and host involve a network file system like smb
[03:27] <antdedyet> smb is just as slow as apache or rsync over ssh...
[03:28] <antdedyet> I guess if kvm were to have special hooks for a shared disk, it wouldn't continue to necessarily be the type of virtual machine most expects.
[03:31] <davekempe> yeah openvz is more like that :)
[03:34] <davekempe> 40ru for main site
[03:36] <davekempe> 25ru dr site
[03:37] <davekempe> thats with the coolhreads boxen. less ru, less power, more work done
[03:52] <Bawbatos> anyone tell me why trying to stop bind or shut down hangs bind for like 10 mins
[03:56] <Bawbatos> can my firewall keep bind from stoping
[03:56] <nictuku> Bawbatos, unlikely
[03:57] <Bawbatos> yah. okay.
[03:57] <nictuku> Bawbatos, how busy is your DNS server?
[03:57] <Bawbatos> home box. just installed
[03:57] <nictuku> Bawbatos, oh.
[03:57] <Bawbatos> root@cork:/home/rahafeez# /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
[03:57] <Bawbatos>  * Stopping domain name service... bind
[03:57] <Bawbatos> rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: timed out
[03:57] <Bawbatos> hum.
[03:58] <nictuku> so it's not running after all
[03:58] <Bawbatos> no it is
[03:58] <Bawbatos> bind      4894     1  0 19:44 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
[03:58] <fujin_> firewall rules?
[03:58] <Bawbatos> that is what i am thinking
[03:58] <kgoetz> on loop back?
[03:58] <Bawbatos> i hate iptables so much
[03:58] <nictuku> Bawbatos, oh in that case it could be firewall rules
[03:58] <kgoetz> your a little paranoid ;)
[03:58] <nictuku> Bawbatos, preventing a connection to the loopback interface
[03:58] <fujin_> iptables-save > poos
[03:58] <nictuku> kgoetz, hehehe
[03:58] <fujin_> pastie
[03:59] <Bawbatos> no, i am not as far as i no.
[03:59] <fujin_> iptables -F && /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
[03:59] <fujin_> ;]
[04:02] <davekempe> thats not firewall rules - your rndc.key file doesnt match the one specified in your config
[04:03] <nictuku> davekempe, could be. but why the delay?
[04:03] <davekempe> timeout on the init script?
[04:03] <davekempe> it doesnt actually stop it
[04:33] <Bawbatos> i hate iptables!
[04:33] <Bawbatos> if i have a script i wrote for iptables, what is the best way to have the server run it at boot
[04:34] <kgoetz> put it in /etc/networking/if-up.d/
[04:34] <kgoetz> well. its simplest, probably not necesarily best
[04:36] <Bawbatos> thanks
[04:37] <Bawbatos> so if i put it there it just runs. i do not have to do anything else?
[04:37] <kgoetz> make sure its +x
[04:37] <Bawbatos> thanks.
[04:37] <Bawbatos> will it run after all 3 interfaces come up
[04:37] <kgoetz> it should run each time an interface comes up (hence being a little hackish)
[04:38] <Bawbatos> ah okay thanks.
[04:38] <Bawbatos> sorry going from PF to iptables and pulling my hair out.
[04:38] <kgoetz> fair enough
[14:47] <nealmcb> !jeos
[14:47] <ubotu> JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System.  It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information.
[14:47] <sommer> sweet
[14:47] <sommer> !orangejeos
[14:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orangejeos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:47] <nealmcb> server team meeting in an hour and 10 minutes - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:47] <nealmcb> :-)
[14:47] <sommer> ahhh
[14:54] <nealmcb> !mta
[14:54] <ubotu> A Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is the server software that sends and queues mail. "postfix" is the default MTA for Ubuntu, and "exim" is also officially supported. For help, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto - See also !MailServer, !MUA and !MDA
[14:54] <lamont> nealmcb: are you testing ubotu's response?
[14:56] <nealmcb> !thunderbird
[14:56] <ubotu> Thunderbird is a free email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox (both by the Mozilla Foundation). To make Thunderbird links open in Firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[14:57] <nealmcb> lamont: in #ubuntu-bots, ljl  is adding new factoids from the wiki page, and tying them in to existing ones.  I'm watching and demonstrating them here
[14:57] <nealmcb> !mua
[14:57] <ubotu> A Mail User Agent (MUA) is the application you use to read mail. Examples include Evolution, !Thunderbird and mutt. They are alternatives to programs like Windows Outlook. See also !MailServer, !MTA and !MDA
[14:58] <lamont> kewl.
[14:58]  * lamont -> office
[14:59] <nealmcb> !mail server
[14:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html
[15:01] <nealmcb> sommer: Have you reviewed the community/MailServer page?  I thought it would be potentially more up-to-date which is why I listed both it and the latest ubuntu server guide.  but I think we also really want a way to refer to the mail section of the most recent ubuntu server guide
[15:01] <nealmcb> !imap
[15:01] <ubotu> IMAP and POP are protocols for fetching email. The officially-supported server in Ubuntu is Dovecot (packages "dovecot-imapd" for IMAP, and "dovecot-pop3d" for POP) - See also !MailServer
[15:03] <sommer> nealmcb: I've stumbled accross it a couple of times.  I've done most of my updating on the "sub-pages" though Postfix, Dovecot, etc.
[15:04] <sommer> nealmcb: when you say "most recent ubuntu server guide" do you mean the latest released version?
[15:04] <sommer> nealmcb: or the currently version under development?
[15:05] <sommer> s/currently/current
[15:05] <nealmcb> released
[15:06] <sommer> gotcha, I'll work on updating that page this week
[15:07] <nealmcb> :-))
[15:12] <nealmcb> !time
[15:12] <ubotu> Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[15:25] <nealmcb> !proxy
[15:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu and related channels prohibit access from proxy servers due to a high level of abuse. Project cloaks allowed: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:25] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:25] <nealmcb> !proxies
[15:25] <ubotu> "Proxies" are services acting as intermediate agents in various sorts of Internet connections. Examples are !TOR, !apt-proxy, and HTTP proxies (such as "squid"). It is possible to install and use Ubuntu via some proxy connections: see FIXME
[15:33] <nealmcb> !mda
[15:33] <ubotu> A Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) is the server software for local delivery and rewriting of messages. The default MDA (and !MTA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("procmail" or "dovecot" can also be used). See also !MailServer and !MUA
[15:33]  * lamont grumbles about nealmcb highlighting him.
[15:33] <lamont> only minor grubleage.
[15:33] <lamont> grumbleage even
[15:34] <lamont> and gone
[15:35] <nealmcb> what are your preferences related to highlighting?
[15:39] <zul> uh when is the meeting again?
[15:40] <soren> 20 minutes
[15:40] <mralphabet> 20 minutes
[15:43] <nealmcb> !proxy
[15:43] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:43] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:55] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[15:56] <nealmcb> !smtp
[15:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html
[16:02] <ScottK> nealmcb: So Ubuntu provides Microsoft Exchange? (how about ... software of many kinds vice all kinds)?
[16:06] <nealmcb> ScottK: aren't there some exchange-interoperation projects out there?
[16:07] <ScottK> nealmcb: Sure, but we don't provide everything.  Just some things.
[16:07] <mralphabet> nealmcb: that may be true, but ubuntu doesn't provide *all* software packages out there
[17:12] <nealmcb> "Ubuntu provides a comprehensive variety of mail client and mail server software"?
[17:12] <mralphabet> works
[17:12] <ScottK> +1
[17:12] <DM|> is it possible to run a graphical window through ssh -X on server without having to install GNOME and GDM?
[17:14] <DM|> I want it rather lightweight, but I also want a graphical window for firestarter , would installing the GTK stuff weight down the server any?
[17:16] <zul> it shouldnt
[17:16] <DM|> cool
[17:16] <DM|> but is it possible to run a graphical window through ssh -x to a ubnut-server without GDM/GNOME or other DEs installed
[17:17] <DM|> ubuntu*
[17:20] <nealmcb> sure - you just need the x11 libraries and such - though I'm not sure of the best package for that...
[17:23] <nealmcb> DM|: perhaps libx11-6 is all you would need, with ssh forwarding
[17:23]  * ScottK suggests whatever the standard metapackage is for xubuntu.
[17:23] <nealmcb> ScottK: why include a window manager etc?
[17:23] <DM|> nealmcb ok ill try that thanks
[17:24] <nealmcb> hmm- maybe not....
[17:24] <ScottK> nealmcb: Because it was an easy way to make sure he got everything he needed.  Dunno if it'd be the best way.
[17:25] <nealmcb> most apps will want more than just x11 - at least gnome libraries etc for most - sigh
[17:26] <nealmcb> e.g. last I looked for print server management, xubuntu didn't have something, though cupsys does it via http which works fine
[17:26] <nealmcb> DM|: also, for hardy, the plan is to support ebox so  graphical admin via the web is easy
[17:30] <DM|> i prefer ssh atm
[17:31] <soren> nealmcb: That's what dependencies are for.. When he installs the gui thing he wants, it'll install all the stuff it needs to be able to run.
[17:31] <soren> DM|: Just install whatever application you want + possibly xauth. That should be sufficient.
[17:31] <soren> I'd be *very* surprised if that wasn't the case.
[17:31] <DM|> :)
[17:32] <DM|> I think ill just learn how to edit iptables, i need to anyway
[17:32] <DM|> i wanted to run firestarted graphical
[17:32] <DM|> firestarter*
[17:32] <nijaba> sommer: for an install with all task, 1G min (vmdk size = 964M, df show 978M usage)
[17:33] <nijaba> 958M usage
[17:38] <nealmcb> soren: very true.  we haven't talked about that option much and I guess I'm just trying to figure out what fraction of the whole gnome or desktop tangle would be needed for e.g. gadmintools and whether it is a good option to document.  I'm guessing that it is, but it's just bigger than I thought at first
[17:39] <sommer> nijaba: awesome thanks, should have that updated later today
[17:39] <soren> If gadmintools needs something that it doesn't explicitly state a dependency on, that's a serious bug.
[17:39] <nealmcb> nijaba: thanks!  I wonder what the big space users are there - seems bigger than I would have though
[17:39] <soren> You should be able to just apt-get install whatever package and be ready to run it.
[17:39] <nijaba> nealmcb: do you want a full du report? ;)
[17:40] <nealmcb> soren: sure - I'm talking about recommendations and being forewarned about the size of the install.  but the tools should work!
[17:42] <sommer> are there going to be any new install tasks for Hardy?
[17:42] <nealmcb> nijaba: nah - just the results of the other 30 ways to install 5 tasksels :-)
[17:44] <nijaba> nealmcb: by far, mysql seems to be the fattest
[17:45] <nealmcb> interesting....  vs postgres?
[17:50] <nijaba> nealmcb: postgresql is quite slim as a base install
[17:51]  * nealmcb always liked postgresql
[20:36] <Bawbatos> any good docs, or tools for setting up an server to server ipsec tunnel
[20:47] <zul> check google?
[20:52] <Bawbatos> yes, and like everything with linux there are 10000 differnet choices, etc.
[20:53] <Bawbatos> i was hoping for, we use this tool on our server and it is great sorta answer.
[20:55] <fujin_> I always find myself checking Gentoo's wiki, whenever I get stuck
[20:55] <fujin_> as many community people write tutorials, example "ipsec site:gentoo-wiki.com"
[20:55] <fujin_> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_IPSEC
[20:55] <nictuku> fujin_: indeed it's a wonderful resource
[20:56] <fujin_> Bawbatos: all you really need are the ipsec tools ("racoon")
[20:56] <Bawbatos> thank you.
[22:14] <micahf> hey guys, how hard is it to squeeze ubuntu server onto a 1 gb drive?
[22:15] <micahf> I don't need a GUI environment
[22:15] <micahf> I just need to be able to serve files, perhaps run an HTTP server, and maybe stream audio
[22:16] <ScottK> It should be quite doable depending on how much data you have.
[22:20] <nealmcb> micahf: a bare-bones server install is just under 500 MB without the user data, logs etc
[22:20] <nealmcb> ..or any services... :-)
[22:21] <nealmcb> so it depends on what sort of server you want to run
[22:21] <micahf> that doesn't seem too terrible
[22:21] <micahf> primarily I want NAS
[22:21] <micahf> so I'm leaning toward freeNAS
[22:21] <micahf> but I would like to be able to expand in the future, maybe adding some other services
[22:22] <micahf> especially audio/video streaming
[22:24] <micahf> nealmcb: I have a small hard drive for storing things like logs and stuff that doesn't need to be too fast
[22:49] <macd> I think you could build a smaller install fairly easy by just doing a debootstrap install then installing just what you need
[22:53] <mjbrooks> am I supposed to be seeing the entire RAID5 array during the install?
[23:03] <mjbrooks> I'm attempting to install Gutsy server on a Dell PE2650 with a Perc RAID controller, but when I get to the partitioning part of the install it's showing all 587GBs available... the controller is set up with RAID5, shouldn't that mean I see less than that?
[23:57] <fujin> mjbrooks: that is odd, generally with the perc5i cards you should only see one disk
[23:58] <fujin> are you sure it's configured correctly, saved your raid setup etc?


 Just poking in case someone could help getting more information about the issues - we have two ZFS release issues reported:
[11:07] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1993278
[11:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1993278 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ZFS + Encryption crash after install" [Undecided, New]
[11:07] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1993279 (poked snapd team already)
[11:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1993279 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Firefox fails on the first reboot after installing Ubuntu Budgie with ZFS + encryption + recovery key" [Undecided, New]
[11:10] <seb128> @jibel, @didrocks, ^ any idea?
[11:10] <seb128> sil2100, sounds like the firefox one got mvo's traction already
[11:11] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, poked him about it to do a first call, just sharing that one here in case someone feels like they might know the issue (due to ZFS). But the first one is the main one I'd appreciate some expertise ;)
[11:11] <seb128> ack
[11:31] <ogra> the second one is a duplicate i think ... there was something about snaps on encrypted zfs in 22.04 already, seems that is still not hunted down ...
[11:31] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1970066
[11:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1970066 in snapd (Ubuntu Jammy) "(Encrypted) ZFS breaks 22.04 installation" [Critical, Confirmed]
[11:53] <jbicha> good morning
[12:03] <sil2100> ogra: ooh, good catch. Wasn't aware of that one
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[12:04] <jbailey> fabbione: Around?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> jbailey: he tends to go to sleep fairly early, but is also around from early morning, so he should be here in five hours or so
[01:31] <jbailey> He also seems to be near his terminal often when he claims to be asleep, so.. =)
[01:54] <Mithrandir> heh
[04:35] <zul> fabbione: when you get a chance can you checkout the xternal-drivers-scsi-megaraid_removed-dell-perc.dpatch from my arch it merges fine but it hasnt been compiled tested
[04:37] <zul> night
[05:50] <fabbione> morning
[06:16] <fabbione> jbailey ?
[06:27] <dilinger> looks like he succumbed to sleep
[06:29] <fabbione> yeah
[06:29] <fabbione> no big deal
[06:29] <fabbione> i think i know what he wanted :)I
[06:31] <fabbione> the sparcbuildd runned out of disk space :/
[06:31] <kylem> sparcsucks
[06:31] <kylem> ;)
[06:32] <fabbione> kylem: meh...
[06:59] <lamont-away> fabbione: centralized within one machine, or over gfs?
[06:59] <fabbione> lamont: hey
[06:59] <fabbione> over nfs
[06:59] <fabbione> i don't have gfs running yet on sparc
[07:00] <fabbione> it's just pure nfs
[07:00] <fabbione> it seems to cache properly, you can set the parameters
[07:00] <fabbione> but you cannot see the hits/missed info
[07:00] <fabbione> that hounestly i can't care less
[07:01] <fabbione> how do you feel btw?
[07:01] <fabbione> (that is kinda more important
[07:07] <fabbione> jbailey: i had to flush the ccache, sorry... but now it's much bigger and it will partially solve some of the disk space issues
[07:08] <fabbione> and this is good... so a test build you do, gets cached and made available to the buildd chroot
[07:20] <fabbione> r/wind goto 4
[07:36] <fabbione> lamont: good night :)
[07:36] <fabbione> are feeling better?
[07:36] <lamont> a day's sleep helped much
[07:36] <fabbione> good
[07:36] <fabbione> take good care
[07:36] <fabbione> and i will see you later
[07:37] <lamont> sigh
[07:37] <lamont> anyway, night
[07:45] <fabbione> night :)
[07:59] <fabbione> zul: the idea of the patch is correct, but the patch is not enough. it will create a driver conflicts for other cards
[08:45] <fabbione> dilinger: still around?
[02:08] <fabbione> bah
[02:08] <fabbione> don't upgrade to kenrel-package 8.131
[02:08] <fabbione> it's borked
[02:09] <fabbione> and won't build your kernel
[02:24] <svenl> jbailey: pong ?
[02:24] <svenl> jbailey: sorry, was on the plane, am in Austin, Texas now, anything in particular ?
[02:25] <jbailey> svenl: /me tries to remember...
[02:26] <jbailey> Wait a sec.  You went to Texas on purpose? =)
[02:28] <jbailey> fabbione: CONFIG_PCI_NAMES is just the PCI ID to name mapping, right?  We don't use the names in hotplug, but I want to make sure that's all it is. =)
[02:30] <jbailey> svenl: I'm blanking on it.  It might have been about a new grub snapshot I posted over the weekend to people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/grub2.
[02:30] <fabbione> jbailey: there is more than that but it is all kernel internal iirc
[02:37] <zul> hey
[02:38] <jbailey> g'm Chuck
[02:39] <zul> hey jeff how goes the battle?
[02:40] <jbailey> Good, just catch up on some reason in prep for UDU.
[02:41] <zul> cool
[02:41] <zul> just got into work
[02:51] <zul> fabbione: so i take that patch was kind of ok
[02:58] <zul> -devel is unsually quiet
[03:00] <fabbione> zul: partially ok...
[03:00] <fabbione> it is not an external driver :)
[03:00] <fabbione> the changelog sucked as usual :)
[03:00] <zul> meh..
[03:01] <fabbione> well check the new patch ;)
[03:01] <zul> i did..
[03:01] <fabbione> but it was partially ok
[03:01] <fabbione> the removal of #define PCIDI 0x293829
[03:01] <fabbione> was wrong
[03:01] <fabbione> because the include is indirectly sourced
[03:01] <fabbione> so basically you were losing the definitions of some IDs
[03:01] <fabbione> anyway not a big deal
[03:02] <zul> ah ok...well am still learning
[03:02] <zul> so the mergaraid.ko becomes megaraidlegacy.ko?
[03:04] <fabbione> hmm o
[03:04] <fabbione> no
[03:04] <fabbione> there is no need of a rename
[03:04] <fabbione> is it?
[03:04] <zul> ah ok..i was just wondering about this line:
[03:04] <zul> -       .name           = "megaraid",
[03:04] <zul> +       .name           = "megaraidlegacy",
[03:04] <fabbione> obj-$(CONFIG_MEGARAID_LEGACY)   += megaraid.o
[03:04] <fabbione> obj-$(CONFIG_MEGARAID_NEWGEN)   += megaraid/
[03:04] <fabbione> nah that's only an internal name
[03:04] <zul> ok
[03:04] <fabbione> for the kernel
[03:05] <fabbione> the real driver name doesn't change
[03:05] <fabbione> it would break if i did a random rename
[03:06] <zul> so how is it going?
[03:06] <fabbione> we only have a unionfs problem on ppc
[03:07] <fabbione> it manages to kill gcc-3.*
[03:07] <zul> heh
[03:07] <fabbione> the rest is ok
[03:07] <fabbione> we need to work on checking the new drivers (before inclusion)
[03:07] <zul> t-bone hasnt looked at it yet?
[03:07] <fabbione> and check all the d-i overall
[03:07] <fabbione> t-bone?
[03:07] <zul> i can start the new drivers
[03:07] <zul> the unionfs stuff
[03:08] <fabbione> i doubt tbone can fix gcc :)
[03:08] <zul> but but he is a god :)
[03:08] <jbailey> fabbione: Are you sure the code is valid C?
[03:08] <jbailey> I didn't take a look yesterday.
[03:08] <fabbione> jbailey: well i am pretty sure it is.. it compiles on 5 arches :)
[03:08] <fabbione> with the same gcc version
[03:08] <zul> i blame ppc
[03:08] <fabbione> me too
[03:08] <fabbione> + gtk
[03:09] <jbailey> There's no #ifdef __arch_ppc__ frobnicate() #endif ? =)
[03:09] <zul> for some of the gcc4 stuff i was looking at it baycom_epp doesnt build at all
[03:09] <fabbione> jbailey: houneslty i didn't dig too much
[03:09] <fabbione> jbailey: it's on davis ~fabbione/linux-source-<TAB>/fs/unionfs/file.c
[03:10] <fabbione> or concordia or halley...
[03:10] <jbailey> I'm tracing ldd at the moment.
[03:10] <fabbione> or in baz at the above url :)
[03:10] <fabbione> yeah don't worry
[03:10] <jbailey> And thinking about what it will be like to meet Xu.
[03:10] <fabbione> i temporary disabled unionfs on ppc
[03:10] <fabbione> it's not mission critical yet
[03:11] <fabbione> it's more important to get mkinitrd and kernel-package fixes in the archive
[03:11] <fabbione> jbailey: i have been wondering about that too :)
[03:11] <jbailey> Ah, youv'e never met him either?
[03:11] <jbailey> I thought he used to work for Canonical.
[03:11] <fabbione> right
[03:12] <fabbione> he is a part-time contractor
[03:13] <jbailey> Ah, does he still do stuff?
[03:13] <svenl> jbailey: ah, well.
[03:13] <fabbione> jbailey: not right now...
[03:14] <svenl> jbailey: BTW, i was thinking about mkinitrd and crypted filesystems for laptop last night.
[03:15] <jbailey> svenl: I'd to hear your thoughts.  I've been wondering whether it's worth trying to autodetect the encryption, which might be hard if it's an encrypted filesystem on an lvm using evms on a raid drive or something crazy.
[03:16] <jbailey> svenl: I'd been thinking that perhaps it would be nice to do something like optionally have a config where for each device you could just drop a file in place that would have  the information on what to do special to find it, or something like that.
[03:16] <jbailey> That way if it's a really wild config, it could always be custom.
[03:17] <fabbione> i am off for a nap
[03:17] <fabbione> later guys
[03:17] <jbailey> good sleeps, Fabio.
[03:17] <fabbione> thanks
[03:19] <svenl> jbailey: ok; let's speak about it at a later time. needto go to offline work now.
[03:19] <jbailey> svenl: Cool, thanks.
[03:20] <svenl> jbailey: BTW, have you tried hoary on your pegasos yet ? The install stuff i mean ?
[03:20] <jbailey> svenl: Nope.  Last I heard yaboot didn't boot a CD on pegasos.
[03:21] <jbailey> svenl: I'm running current breezy on it right now from upgrading, though
[03:26] <zul> hmmm...invalid lvalue assignment
[04:15] <jbailey> ldd /bin/ls | sed '/linux-gate/d; /=>/ {s/.*=>[[:blank:] ] *\([^[:blank:] ] *\).*/\1/}; s/[[:blank:] ] *\([^[:blank:] ] *\) (.*)/\1/'
[04:15] <jbailey> There's a certain point when I wonder if it's just worth writing a 25 line C program to include in glibc to get this output a little nicer that doing this.
[04:15] <zul> hehe
[04:21] <jbailey> Anyone here got an amd64 handy?
[04:21] <jbailey> (running breezy)
[04:36] <lamont> morning
[04:38] <zul> hey lamont how are you feeling?
[04:41] <lamont> pretty much better..
[04:42] <lamont> I should probably go grab some more sleep today though... I'm thinking long lunch
[04:48] <zul> thats good
[04:59] <jbailey> lamont: Hey - did you see my note the other day that I got patches from Carlos for building glibc on hppa?
[04:59] <jbailey> lamont: I just need to backport them to the 2.3 branch.
[05:00] <lamont> jbailey: coolenss
[05:00] <lamont> eta??? :)
[05:00] <jbailey> lamont: Post UDU, I'm guessing.
[05:00] <lamont> jbailey: I guess we'll live
[05:00] <jbailey> I have a chroot on bdale's machine, I just don't hjave time in the evenings to hack on it right now with prepping to leave in a couple days.
[05:00] <lamont> right
[05:00] <jbailey> ( I still have to do my damned taxes ) *g*
[05:01] <lamont> ew.  weren't those like due?
[05:01] <jbailey> April 30th.
[05:01] <lamont> ah, plenty of time then. :-)
[05:01] <jbailey> Although, since these are from 2003, sort of.
[05:01] <jbailey> But they sent me a notice asking me to file them. =)
[05:01] <lamont> mine were absolutely clusterful
[05:04] <lamont> this year I learned a whole lot more than I ever wanted to know about accelerated depreciation.  Then again, I wish I'd bothered to actually read that 5-10 pages or so a few years ago...
[05:04] <jbailey> Yeah, I'm definetly going to need a real bean counter next year.
[05:04] <lamont> I had a real bean counter e-file for me.. he found me a chunk more money.
[05:05] <lamont> turns out that the section 179 deduction is not limited by business profits in the case where all of your investement is at risk...
[05:05] <jbailey> I was talking to one, but his office is slow in returning phone calss.
[05:05] <jbailey> So before I had two weeks, and now I have 2 days.
[05:05] <jbailey> So off to H&R block I go.
[05:05] <lamont> ew
[05:06] <lamont> that's not 100% true - H&R said they'd call me back, but hasn't yet...
[05:10] <jbailey> fabbione: fixed initrd-tools just uploaded
[05:11] <jbailey> fabbione: (when you wake up), can I toss #9903 to you?
[05:12] <zul> jbailey: heh..gcc4
[05:14] <zul> jbailey: they can do what we do right in our baz archive and force gcc-3.3 in the makefile
[05:15] <jbailey> That's.. really sick.
[05:15] <zul> it is
[05:16] <fabbione> nah
[05:16] <fabbione> they can go and die.. i already answered to that on u-devel
[05:17] <jbailey> Bug comment then: "Fabio utters Power Word DIE!, Roll 3d6 to determine chance of resistance?"
[05:17] <zul> lol
[05:18] <zul> i havent played d&d in such a long time that brings back memories
[05:19] <zul> gfs pukes with gcc4 as well ;)
[05:19] <jbailey> lamont: Hey, if Thibaut doesn't care about ia64 anymore, who's the official babysitter?
[05:19] <fabbione> zul: yes, but not in my branch :)
[05:19] <fabbione> zul: only the userland isn't fixed yet.
[05:20] <zul> fabbione: wrong lvalue in dio.c in line 195 i think
[05:20] <fabbione> yes
[05:20] <fabbione> i know
[05:22] <fabbione> zul: see /msg
[05:22] <fabbione> that's the fix
[05:22] <fabbione> but similar changes need to be done all over
[05:22] <zul> yeah i was about to fix it in my branch but nm
[05:22] <fabbione> it will fail immediatly after on file.c
[05:23] <fabbione> no don't spend time on it
[05:23] <fabbione> i have the fixes here
[05:23] <zul> i wont
[05:23] <fabbione> i am also waiting for upstream to see what they will do with this big fat patch
[05:24] <jbailey> Mmmmm..  big fat patches.
[05:35] <lamont> jbailey: will probably wind up being me for breezy - discussions to happen at UDU
[05:36] <jbailey> lamont: I can cheerfully split that with you.
[05:36] <lamont> er
[05:36] <lamont> damn keyboard
[05:36] <lamont> we'll talk.
[05:36] <jbailey> I didn't see any space in the schedule for those discussions.
[05:37] <lamont> (er is we shifted right one..)
[05:37] <jbailey> *lol*
[05:40] <fabbione> jbailey: where did you upload the mkinitrd changes?
[05:40] <fabbione> i don't see any mail on -changes
[05:40] <jbailey> fabbione: I just uploaded it again, but this time as a source upload.
[05:40] <jbailey> *sigh*
[05:41] <jbailey> I really wish that it would take the binary upload and just strip off the bits it doesn't want and go ahead.
[05:41] <jbailey> BAh sed s/hoary/breezy/ time.
[05:42] <jbailey> Let's see if third time lucky. =)
[05:43] <fabbione> jbailey: ehehe
[05:46] <jbailey> Objet: 	initrd-tools_0.1.78ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[05:46] <jbailey> woohoo!
[05:46] <fabbione> next is to wait elmo to sync kernel-package from sid
[05:46] <fabbione> and we can start considering to upload :)
[05:46] <fabbione> given how much work there is still to do
[05:47] <fabbione> lamont: after you finish to build pa3, can you please upload the config updates and send me a build log?
[05:47] <fabbione> i need to check what is in the udebs and if kernel-wedge did warning about changes
[05:49] <zul> ill start with some of the external drivers tonight
[05:50] <zul> but now is time for lunch
[05:52] <lamont> fabbione: will do
[05:53] <fabbione> thanks
[05:54] <fabbione> ahh
[05:54] <fabbione> chocolate biscuits :)
[05:56] <fabbione> good.. vblade and aoetools uploaded
[05:57] <fabbione> time to finish the GFS suite...
[05:59] <fabbione> "white smoke from the vatican"
[05:59] <fabbione> they have elected the pope it seems...
[05:59] <jbailey> Cool.
[05:59] <jbailey> I wonder what they burn for the various colours of smoke.
[06:00] <fabbione> for the white is marijuana.. for the black is ashish
[06:01] <jbailey> *lol*
[06:01] <jbailey> So the longer it takes to do the election, the longer it will likely take, I guess.
[06:02] <fabbione> ehhehe
[06:04] <fabbione> the bell is ringing
[06:05] <lamont> fabbione: black smoke means that the structure is burning... :-)
[06:05] <fabbione> lamont: hehehhe not at the vatican.. things work differently there ;)
[06:06] <lamont> well, it is rather difficult to burn rock, I guess...
[06:06] <fabbione> and gold...
[06:06] <fabbione> vatican is a rich "to death" country
[06:09] <lamont> nah -  gold will burn - you just have to really heat it up first... rock is a bit harder.. :-)
[06:10] <fabbione> all italian TV's are pointed to vatican
[06:10] <fabbione> no name yet
[06:10] <lamont> fabbione: that's been done.
[06:10] <lamont> (nny that is...)
[06:10] <fabbione> not to the public
[06:10] <fabbione> oh
[06:10] <fabbione> ehehe
[06:21] <jbailey> *lol*
[06:23] <T-Bone> oy
[06:23] <lamont> veh
[06:24] <T-Bone> hey lamont!
[06:24] <T-Bone> lamont: did you see my mail from yesterday? :)
[06:24] <lamont> yeah
[06:24] <lamont> just glanced at it though - was sick
[06:25] <T-Bone> ow :-/
[06:25] <T-Bone> feeling better i hope?
[06:25] <lamont> pretty much
[06:25] <T-Bone> cool!
[06:26] <lamont> wrt hppa/breezy: I'm keeping the kernel current, and we're waiting for glibc and gcc-4.0 fixes.  Then we can do something there
[06:26] <fabbione> baz commit -s'initrd-tools of death'
[06:26] <lamont> meanwhile, I need to make time to create the more complete archive in ~lamont/ubuntu-hppa
[06:26] <T-Bone> that'd be cool
[06:27] <T-Bone> i'm waiting for that to advertise for the port... ;]
[06:28] <fabbione> see.. they elected the pope and T-Bone is back....
[06:29] <T-Bone> oh they did?
[06:29] <fabbione> yes
[06:29] <T-Bone> hmm
[06:29] <T-Bone> news.google.com seems unaware of that :P
[06:30] <fabbione> turn on your tv
[06:31] <T-Bone> yeah, good idea
[06:42] <fabbione> jbailey: do you have any ETA to complete the Debian/ubuntu merge for cdbs?
[06:42] <fabbione> jbailey: some packages build-dep on them
[06:42] <fabbione> on it even
[06:44] <fabbione> ratzinger
[06:44] <fabbione> german
[06:44] <fabbione> benedicti XVI
[06:46] <zul> hmmm...new pope?
[06:46] <fabbione> yes
[06:46] <zul> cool..i hope it isnt that german guy
[06:47] <fabbione> he is
[06:47] <zul> dang
 ratzinger
 german
[06:47] <zul> bleah
[06:48] <fabbione> ahha
[06:48] <fabbione> he was born in 1927!
[06:48] <fabbione> did they plan to change the pope again in 2 years?
[06:49] <lamont> T-Bone: afp? america's funniest pope?
[06:49] <fabbione> LOL @ the public...
[06:50] <fabbione> they went all silent after they said the name of the new pope
[07:04] <zul> heh he suppose to be more conservative then john paul
[07:05] <fabbione> he is
[07:05] <zul> heh...you know what would shut up all of these 2.6.11 bugs in bugzilla...inotify 0.22
[07:07] <fabbione> zul: right.. i forgot to parte bugzilla for inotify updates
[07:08] <fabbione> oh actually..
[07:08] <fabbione> lamont: do we need to force gcc-3.3 build-dep for the kernel?=
[07:09] <fabbione> ok that we already use it.. but is it going to survive in breezy chroots?
[07:09] <T-Bone> feeh. Yet another old geezer. And an Inquisitor, even
[07:09] <T-Bone> lamont: Agence France Presse. Check www.afp.fr (it's in English for you)
[07:09] <zul> www.canoe.ca
[07:10] <lamont> gcc-3.3 will not be in good virgin breezy chroots
[07:10] <lamont> fabbione: ^^
[07:10] <fabbione> ok
[07:11] <fabbione> so i guess we need to build-dep on it
[07:11] <lamont> yes
[07:11] <fabbione> gcc-3.3-hppa64 [hppa] , binutils-hppa64 [hppa] , gcc-3.3
[07:11] <fabbione> this should be enough....
[07:12] <lamont> I think so
[07:12] <fabbione> and i guess breezy is not bootstrappable either to check
[07:12] <lamont> it is.
[07:13] <fabbione> oh nice
[07:13] <lamont> but you have to fix breezy.buildd
[07:13] <zul> hehe...pope benedict makes baby jesus cry
[07:13] <fabbione> zul: told you
[07:13] <zul> i know i know
[07:14] <lamont> fabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/breezy.buildd
[07:15] <zul> damn it...i love power outages
[07:17] <fabbione> lamont: ok
[07:20] <fabbione> http://chowned.org/Who_will_replace_the_Pope.jpg
[07:20] <fabbione> ahahha
[07:20] <zul> heha
[07:31] <zul> you arent having a good day are you
[07:31] <T-Bone> nothing worse than usual I guess
[07:42] <fabbione> i am almost considering to use CDBS to package the rh cluster suite....
[07:42] <zul> userland?
[07:42] <fabbione> yes
[07:43] <zul> cool
[07:44] <fabbione> but their cvs has problems
[07:44] <fabbione> when they add dirs to cvs, they don't show up with a cvs up
[07:44] <fabbione> so you need a new checkout
[07:46] <fabbione> that is fairly annoying
[07:49] <fabbione> i am not sure i want to make one single big fat source and build all from it
[07:49] <fabbione> or make 2726372 mini debs
[07:49] <fabbione> mini sources
[08:24] <dilinger> fabbione: thanks, i'll keep away from new kernel-packages
[08:25] <fabbione> dilinger: it is already fixed in 8.132, but i still need to test it
[08:26] <fabbione> dilinger: instead you might want to grab the drivers-scsi-megaraid_splitup.dpatch
[08:26] <fabbione> ah crap.. elmo fixed the bug in katie to override NEW
[09:13] <zul> fabbione: you know good think i have an office..
[11:39] <T-Bone> ewww
[11:40] <T-Bone> Holy Lord, Gentle Genius of the TV Set and Saint Video Tape, forgive me for what I've done, for I knew not what I was doing ;P
[11:40] <T-Bone> I've been watching the Jerry Springer Show
[11:41] <T-Bone> I suspect this liable for capital punishment or something equivalent :P
[11:41] <T-Bone> +is
[11:49] <kylem> T-Bone, putting yourself through that is punishment enough.
[11:50] <T-Bone> lol