[00:00] <sarnold> "formerly known as Likewise Open"
[00:01] <sarnold> hah, the download page doesn't load for me with noscript and privacybadger .. not sure which one is to blame, but it sure looks like it needs a contact form filled out first. that's not a good sign.
[00:05] <bekks> Doesnt exactly sound like something I want to use :)
[00:05] <sarnold> the first page sounded good then the second page took it all away again :) hehe
[00:10] <Pinkamena_D> here it is easier download: http://download1.beyondtrust.com/Technical-Support/Downloads/PowerBroker-Identity-Services-Open-Edition/?Pass=True
[00:18] <sarnold> heh, windows people do things differently; there's a thosand links to binary downloads but not a single singature to be found anywhere; and they do appear to have a source link, but they put the non-hyperlinked-text in grey on grey at the very bottom of the page.
[00:29] <samy1028> sarnold: you mean we're not supposed to arbitrarily click on a program without checking it out first? :)
[00:29] <sarnold> samy1028: honestly i find the _executing_ of programs so boring -- all the real fun is in reading the source :)
[00:34] <samy1028> It's only fun and games until some non-technical appointed domain admin installs a crypto-locker on the network. :)
[00:34] <samy1028> but, yes, reading source can be fun.  Though sometimes you find new things for thedailywtf and such.
[00:35] <sarnold> .. and then you have fun new stories about moving all your patients to another hospital while you clean up the mess :)
[00:35] <sarnold> hehe
[01:26] <devster31> what's my best option, besides editing the hosts file, to make a domain name refer to a LAN IP instead of the public IP?
[01:30] <sarnold> you could investigate using dns split horizon, I think it's supposed to handle this
[01:30] <sarnold> or have two dns servers, one outisde the network for everyone else and one inside the network for local queries
[01:30] <sarnold> or add the external IP directly to the machine and add corresponding routes on all the machines that want to query it (that's more of a smartass solution than a good solution, but it's a solution...)
[01:37] <devster31> first or second one seem fine, don't know much about dns though, need to read documentations
[01:37] <devster31> thanks
[08:50] <hallyn> pmatulis: hey, just fyi, lxd docs somewhat taking shape at https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+git/lxdserverguide .  I'll flesh out the rest tomorow (barring serious bugs elsewhere),
[08:50] <hallyn> pmatulis: am out the rest of the week, will then convert to xml (assuming that's what we still want at ths point, which i think is a safe bet)
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:21] <pmatulis> hallyn: looks great
[12:30] <patdk-wk> hmm, there has to be something wrong with apparmor on 16.04 :(
[12:31] <patdk-wk> wrong profile is applied, and odd thing blocked that is allowed
[12:33] <jdstrand> tyhicks: when you come online, can you followup with patdk-wk?
[12:34] <patdk-wk> it's either 16.04, or lxc, I don't get it :( been looking at it for days
[12:34] <jdstrand> patdk-wk: oh, days? tyhicks: nm
[12:34] <patdk-wk> well, just myself
[12:34] <patdk-wk> I thought it was just *me*
[12:35] <patdk-wk> but I have pretty much ruled out me doing something stupid
[12:35] <jdstrand> patdk-wk: yesterday there was a new kernel with a big apparmor change
[12:35] <patdk-wk> I am not running that yet
[12:35] <patdk-wk> guess I should test it?
[12:35] <jdstrand> patdk-wk: so I was worried that was it, but if you have the old kernel, then it of course isn't :)
[12:35] <jdstrand> patdk-wk: wouldn't hurt :)
[12:35] <patdk-wk>  4.4.0-13-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 11 19:31:18 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:35] <jdstrand> tyhicks: I thought patdk-wk saw something in the new kernel, but he is running the old kernel
[12:36] <jdstrand> patdk-wk: note, there are a lot of fixes in that kernel, so it might actually have fixed it. I don't have the details at hand
[12:36] <patdk-wk> no problem, I don't mind testing :)
[12:36] <patdk-wk> I just hate digging myself a hole I can't find a way out
[12:37] <patdk-wk> a profile for a binary, that doesn't exist on that system, gets applied, somehow :)
[12:38] <patdk-wk> but since it's almost identical to the profile that should be applied, it doesn't cause any real harm, but well, that is just my usecase, and probably not a good thing
[14:09] <patdk-wk> jdstrand, I think the issue has gone away
[14:09] <patdk-wk> I'll keep watching it though
[14:17] <patdk-wk> :(
[14:18] <patdk-wk> qla24xx driver is causing panics on boot on the newer kernel :(
[14:18] <patdk-wk> qla2xxx that is
[14:18] <patdk-wk> 4.4.0-15
[14:21] <patdk-wk> http://maneshi.com/gallery/v/Users2/sysadm/Screenshot+from+2016-03-22+10_20_21.png.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[14:25] <patdk-wk> yep, blacklist=qla2xxx got it booted almost :(
 hey there I am pretty sure this might be the best place to askbut I have had Fail2ban running on a Ubuntu server working very good for 5-6months straight and today i found out that either it is not bannig as it should or something else is up becuase I am not getting the emials that I should from it, acording to the mail logs they are beeing sent but not received. I am using GMAIL but I haven't had any issues at all for 5-6 months.
[15:09] <ikonia> LaserAllan: so look at the bounce logs
[15:09] <ikonia> try using a trusted relay
[15:09] <ikonia> look at the iptables rules, are the rules being added
[15:09] <ikonia> work it through
[15:09] <LaserAllan> I'll have a look and return here.
[15:11] <patdk-wk> heh, the mail log files will tell you exactly what happened
[15:12] <ikonia> you'll probably find you're getting bounces from google because you're sending from a non-trusted/blacklisted IP
[15:17] <LaserAllan> But why had it worked for like 6 months and suddenly stopped
[15:17] <LaserAllan> I'll get back once I've looked ;)
[15:22] <ikonia> blacklisted ?
[15:22] <ikonia> relay host dead ?
[15:22] <ikonia> relay host black listed ?
[15:22] <ikonia> change in googles policy
[15:50] <teward> server team still meeting today?
[15:50] <matsubara> I believe so, in 10 min
[15:50] <teward> cool
[15:50] <teward> matsubara: i was going to ping you too to make sure you were around, given the QA item i brought up yesterday heh
[15:51] <matsubara> teward, I just confirmed the bug we spoke about yesterday
[15:51] <teward> matsubara: cool, so it's definitely an issue then?
[15:51] <matsubara> teward, and it seems someone also reported a similar issue in the desktop
[15:51] <teward> ah, so it's a BIG issue, then
[15:51] <matsubara> teward, I never get a keyboard layout screen, no matter what I choose
[15:56] <teward> matsubara: is there a bug for the desktop observation as well/
[15:56] <teward> out of curiosity
[15:57] <matsubara> teward, OP says it's a similar issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1549529 but not exactly the same
[15:58] <teward> interesting.  thanks!
[15:58] <teward> i'll test Lubuntu then and see if I can replicate there, but it sounds like it's global
[16:01] <jgrimm> IRC meeting happening now
[16:10] <m1dnight_> Hey guys. I have seem to deleted my gpg encrypted file with my passwords for my backup server. Is there any way I can get root access now and change all the passes?
[16:10] <m1dnight_> Only thing I have left are the ssh keys to ssh into the machine and the gpg keys to decrypted the backups.
[16:10] <m1dnight_> I guess im dead in the water, right?
[16:12] <m1dnight_> Oh, recovery mode will fix it so it seems.
[16:12] <m1dnight_> Carry on.
[16:35] <LaserAllan> ikonia: That might be the case but what makes this even mroe confusing is that my friend who is using the same service doesn't have the problem I am having
[16:35] <LaserAllan> ikonia: I don't have a huge amount of experience with Ubuntu Server yet but I am slowly getting there.
[16:45] <LaserAllan> The logs doesn't seem to show more than that it is sending emails
[16:45] <LaserAllan> and it also seems to empty the qeue but I am not sure if there is anything specific i am going to look for
[16:48] <teward> jgrimm: ping
[16:49] <jgrimm> teward, hi there
[16:49] <teward> jgrimm: grab a copy of your irc scrollback if possible, #ubuntu-irc was able to remove the meeting state in #ubuntu-meeting, but the fear is the meeting logs were torpedoed
[16:49] <teward> for the server team meeting
[16:50] <teward> we may wish to include that somewhere for the meeting logs/notes
[16:50] <teward> im' going to pull a copy myself too
[16:50] <jgrimm> teward, indeed
[16:50] <jgrimm> i'm hoping there is an auto #endmeeting that kicks in
[16:51] <teward> jgrimm: i don't think there is, but I know that I poked and asked if they could force-end because the chair went away
[16:51] <matsubara> teward, I updated the bug 1559507 with what I just found. Please take a look and see if it makes sense
[16:51] <teward> there was such a force-command, jgrimm, but the fear is we lost the logs, so for minutes, etc. we should probably back up our own copies and make it available
[16:51] <teward> matsubara: looking
[16:51] <matsubara> I need to find someone that actually knows that stuff to confirm that hypothesis
[16:52] <jgrimm> teward, saved. thanks
[16:53] <teward> jgrimm: you're welcome
[16:53] <teward> matsubara: indeed, I'm not sure who to prod on that though, maybe the desktop team will have further insights?  GIven that the issue is happening everywhere, I wonder if it's the same missing mechanisms...
[16:53] <teward> matsubara: odd though that this only very recently happened, because prior to the first observation by phillw it was apparently fine
[16:54] <teward> though I don't regularly test
[16:54] <matsubara> teward, I just asked on -devel
[16:54] <teward> ok
[16:54]  * teward tracks there
[16:54] <matsubara> teward, yeah, maybe it was there for some time but it wasn't noticed.
[16:54] <matsubara> I'd say it's easy to miss if you always install with the regular US keyboard and don't care about setting up a different layout
[16:55] <teward> matsubara: possibly.  I know that phill pings whenever any of the Server stuff needs attention, I think it's his way of 'triaging' things in such a way that it gets additional eyes before it's filed as an issue.
[16:55] <teward> and yeah, since I use regular US keyboard it's usually never an issue for me
[18:03] <jjrabbit543> anybody here use yum?
[18:04] <nacc> why would anyone use yum in ubuntu? :)
[18:04] <Pici> !yum
[18:05] <Pici> !botsnack
[18:05] <jjrabbit543> lol
[18:05] <Pici> jjrabbit543: so why do you need yum?
[18:06] <jjrabbit543> cause it's in the repos and was wondering if it's worth using?
[18:06] <jjrabbit543> i guess i should stick with the package manger that comes with the OS though right?
[18:06] <Pici> I'm sure you can install it, but it isn't going to be useful.
[18:06] <jjrabbit543> Pici: would it only show me packages for other distros?
[18:07] <jjrabbit543> because that wouldn't be useful at all
[18:07] <jjrabbit543> i was just interested in the usability of it
[18:08] <nacc> jjrabbit543: yum can only be used to install rpms, afaik. So I have no idea what it'd be used, except maybe for hosting mock or smilar on ubuntu
[18:08] <Pici> jjrabbit543: rpm is also in the repos, and while you can install packages with it, I wouldn't recommend it.
[18:10] <jjrabbit543> Pici: ok good point
[18:10] <jjrabbit543> just curious, thanks
[18:10] <jjrabbit543> i'll stick with aptitude
[18:10] <Pici> good ;)
[18:34] <jjrabbit543> anybody know how i can get to the Search menu at the top of aptitude?
[18:34] <tarpman> jjrabbit543: ctrl-T
[18:34] <tarpman> jjrabbit543: it says "C-T: Menu" right there in the top left
[18:36] <jjrabbit543> tarpman: so it does. Thanks!
[18:37] <jjrabbit543> wow you can lose on the first move in the minesweeper game
[18:38] <jjrabbit543> ubuntu minesweeper is merciless
[18:39] <sarnold> the only winning move is not to play the game
[18:46] <jjrabbit543> anybody know why midnight commander isn't listed in aptitude?
[18:46] <Pici> !info mc
[18:46] <sarnold> dunno, my tools show that it should be in everything frmo precise to xenial
[18:47] <sarnold> it is in universe though, if you've only got main enabled, it won't show up
[18:47] <nacc> jjrabbit543: and if you didn't know how to find it via the name, you could do `apt-cache search ' midnight commander'`
[18:48] <jjrabbit543> what is component universe?
[18:48] <jjrabbit543> is that a category in aptitude?
[18:49] <nacc> jjrabbit543: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[18:49] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: the archive is split into main and universe; packages in universe are supported only via community members, packages in main are supported by canonical and the community
[18:58] <jjrabbit543> does anybody here user file managers or are they a waste of time
[18:58] <jjrabbit543> does ubuntu come with one?
[18:59] <sarnold> if you mean "explorer.exe workalike" then yeah ubuntu has a bunch
[19:00] <sarnold> mc of course is a clone of nc which used to be popular in windows land 25 years ago or something
[19:00] <jjrabbit543> not explorer.exe workalike
[19:00] <jjrabbit543> midnight commander workalike
[19:00] <jjrabbit543> for ubuntu server
[19:07] <Seveas> !info mc
[19:08] <nacc> jjrabbit543: why would you need a mc workalike if you have mc?
[19:08] <jjrabbit543> nacc: because it's in the universe component repository and which apparently is not a default package list
[19:08] <jjrabbit543> i prefer to use native tools that "come with" the OS
[19:09] <nacc> jjrabbit543: did you read the above link about the repositories?
[19:09] <jjrabbit543> nacc: yes, it says main and restricted are the defaults
[19:09] <nacc> jjrabbit543: "comes with" and "defaults" are different things, IMO
[19:10] <nacc> jjrabbit543: universe is part of Ubuntu, too
[19:10] <nacc> jjrabbit543: it's just a matter of who supports what
[19:10] <jjrabbit543> then how come i can't find packages that are in the universe component
[19:11] <jjrabbit543> component universe
[19:11] <jjrabbit543> *
[19:11] <nacc> jjrabbit543: you have to enable the component, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:11] <jjrabbit543> nacc: I ran this command instead: "sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) universe""
[19:12] <jjrabbit543> found it here http://askubuntu.com/questions/148638/how-do-i-enable-the-universe-repository
[19:12] <jjrabbit543> and still isn't working. did I mess something up by doing that
[19:12] <jjrabbit543> ?
[19:12] <sarnold> apt-get update && apt-cache show mc
[19:13] <nacc> also, i think you can just run `add-apt-repository universe` ?
[19:21] <patdk-wk> so, what instructions do I use to properly file a bug report on 4.4.0-15 kernel module (qla2xxx) panic on boot? :)
[19:22] <patdk-wk> it was working upto 4.3.0-5 that I know, I didn't test any kernels inbetween
[19:23] <sarnold> TJ-: try redirecting stdin on the -first- ncat from /dev/null or similar: ncat -m 1 -6kl 10006 < /dev/null | ncat -kl 10007
[19:24] <TJ-> sarnold: it looks like #1 is stopped because #2 is stopped. I'm suspecting its a buffer-full issue because there are no clients connected to empty the pipe
[19:24] <TJ-> sarnold: I'm running testing right now to try to catch it, but it can take up to 12 hours!
[19:24] <sarnold> TJ-: hmmm. I'd expect its write()s to block in that case..
[19:25] <sarnold> patdk-wk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug  :) and be prepared for the kernel team demotivational bot to ask a pile of questions..
[19:25] <patdk-wk> I know, and panic on boot during initrd before filesystems are mounted, is kindof annoying as hell to report :)
[19:26] <TJ-> sarnold: well, on the broadcaster node that sends to the proxy it can send almost all the kernel's "make bindeb-pkg" build messages before stalling
[19:27] <sarnold> TJ-: heh can you feed it with /dev/zero to test something faster? :)
[19:28] <jjrabbit543> turns out running apt-get is 100 times easier than dicking around with aptitude
[19:28] <TJ-> sarnold: I was going to pipe it via 'pv' to see how large the buffer is
[19:28] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: indeed, I never understood the appeal of aptitutude
[19:29] <sarnold> TJ-: you've got a few buffers in play simultaneously which is going to be confusing as sin -- the tcp recv buffer on the first one, the unix pipe buffer between the two, and the tcp send buffer on the second one
[19:29] <TJ-> sarnold: indeed ... good, ain't it? :d
[19:30] <patdk-wk> aptitude is annoying :)
[19:42] <TJ-> sarnold: 'ncat ... | pv ncat ...' tells me the buffer is 43.2Kb
[19:46] <designbybeck> If I'm trying to learn server stuff, and I'm going through a tutorial, shouldn't this command work? : cat /etc/hosts /tmp/appendit
[19:47] <designbybeck> Shouldn't that take the contents of hosts and put a copy in appendit?
[19:47] <TJ-> designbybeck: you're writing both files to stdout
[19:47] <patdk-wk> no
[19:47] <designbybeck> HMmm TJ-
[19:47] <nacc> designbybeck: you're missing redirection (>) operator
[19:47] <nacc> designbybeck: also, why would you use cat, when you have cp ?
[19:47] <TJ-> designbybeck: cat /etc/hosts >>/tmp/appendit
[19:47] <patdk-wk> well depends
[19:47] <patdk-wk> he might be missing >>
[19:47] <TJ-> designbybeck: use >> if you want to 'append' to an existing file
[19:47] <nacc> patdk-wk: true, depends
[19:47] <designbybeck> so just >> would do it TJ-
[19:48] <patdk-wk> or > to basically copy/overwrite
[19:48] <designbybeck> ah ok, I've never ran across that, but I'll try that out
[19:48] <TJ-> designbybeck: yes, see "man bash" REDIRECTION section for the details
[19:48] <designbybeck> thank you TJ-  and nacc
[19:50] <designbybeck> wow TJ- that's a heck of a man page!
[19:51] <designbybeck> but yes: cat this >> that worked
[19:56] <jjrabbit543> anybody know the shortcut to close a linux screen window?
[19:57] <jjrabbit543> i accidently created a bunch and need to close them
[19:57] <TJ-> designbybeck: if you ever use sudo it won't though, because the >> will bind to the *output* of sudo (which is in the current user's context) not the command being called. In that case you either do "sudo sh -c "cat /etc/hosts >> /tmp/appendit" OR "cat /etc/hosts | sudo tee -a /tmp/appendit" (if you can stand seeing the output. Another alternative is "cat /etc/hosts | sudo dd of=/tmp/appendit
[19:57] <TJ-> oflags=append"
[19:57] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: ^D on a line all by itself will close bash
[19:57] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: no idea if your terminal emulator you're using will then close or not.. but most do.
[19:58] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: ^D tells teh terminal emulator to send the end-of-file signal, so it's also used to end HERE documents and similar things
[20:00] <jjrabbit543> im confused
[20:00] <ChibaPet> sarnold: There may also be a bug wherein an overridden value is honored but the default is printed to screen anyway. I'm seeing messages talking about a 1:30 timeout that sure looks like it completes after the 15 seconds I specify.
[20:00] <jjrabbit543> you can have several windows open inside a single screen session and on top of that you can have multiple screen sessions running as well?
[20:00] <sarnold> ChibaPet: ugh
[20:00] <ChibaPet> jjrabbit543: Sure, why not? You can nest screens readily.
[20:01] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: sure, nest as deep as you want..
[20:01] <jjrabbit543> dang
[20:01] <jjrabbit543> #screenception
[20:01] <sarnold> jjrabbit543: multiple vim tabs in tmux in screen in tabbed terminals in multi-desktop X sessions..
[20:01] <sarnold> .. managing multiple jobs in a job-control shell..
[20:01] <ChibaPet> jjrabbit543: Just remember, control-a a command to send a command to a screen one level deep. Control-a a a command to go two levels deep. Etc.
[20:02] <ChibaPet> Also, remember to just open multiple windows if that's all you need.
[20:02] <jjrabbit543> is there a shortcut to kill one of the windows inside a screen session?
[20:02] <jjrabbit543> that's what i am trying to do
[20:02] <ChibaPet> control-a \
[20:02] <ChibaPet> sorry, that's all windows
[20:02] <ChibaPet> control-a k
[20:02] <sarnold> heh we'll see if he saw the "sorry" in time.. :)
[20:02] <jjrabbit543> ChibaPet: ty!!
[20:02] <ChibaPet> Mm, unfortunate timing on my part.
[20:03] <ChibaPet> jjrabbit543: screen is amazing stuff.
[20:03] <jjrabbit543> sarnold: i did ;)
[20:03] <sarnold> pfew :)
[20:03] <sarnold> hehe
[20:03] <ChibaPet> sarnold: It prompts by default, so he'd have seen the fishy query before nuking everything.
[20:03] <sarnold> ChibaPet: ah, nice ;) I've never killed windows in screen directly before, I've always just terminated the shells..
[20:03] <jjrabbit543> hm lets see
[20:03] <jjrabbit543> ya
[21:14] <ddellav> coreycb barbican is ready for review: lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/barbican
[21:14] <coreycb> ddellav, ok thanks, I might need to look in the morning
[21:15] <ddellav> coreycb ack
[21:17] <LaserAllan> Hey guys
[21:18] <LaserAllan> Anyone in here knows how SPF works?
[21:18] <ddellav> LaserAllan i know a bit, yea
[21:18] <Sling> LaserAllan: what is your actual question?
[21:18] <ddellav> higher spf = more time the sunscreen lasts
[21:18] <ddellav> :P
[21:19] <ChibaPet> LaserAllan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework
[21:19] <bekks> Or Shortest Path First.
[21:19] <LaserAllan> Sling:  ddellav I currently have issues with my mailing service, I have configured fail2ban and Xymon to send emails when needed but for some reason they are sent according to the logs but they aren't reaching my gmail
[21:20] <LaserAllan> Could it be that it has been blacklisted? becuase the "domain" that is used to send the emials doesnt really exists
[21:20] <LaserAllan> "exist
[21:20] <LaserAllan> I am just wondering if I might have to setup SPF if i want Google to not blacklist my IP?
[21:20] <ChibaPet> LaserAllan: Check your mail logs to see if they're being delivered. Check your gmail spam to see if they're being misclassified.
[21:20] <Sling> LaserAllan: hard to say, can you deliver mails to a domain where you can better see what is actually happening?
[21:20] <ChibaPet> LaserAllan: Google can require complete correctness. Make sure your PTRs match, etc.
[21:21] <Sling> i have seen gmail accepting mails but still not pushing them to user mailboxes
[21:21] <ddellav> LaserAllan ok if its being sent from a non-existant domain it will likely get blocked. beyond spf google wants to see a legit domain with properly setup reverse dns.
[21:21] <Sling> and they aren't very open in what checks they do exactly
[21:21] <ddellav> if you find a mail in your spam box you can view the original to see the spf headers to see if it passed, failed, or softfaied
[21:21] <ddellav> *failed
[21:21] <Sling> I don't think he has spf at the moment
[21:22] <LaserAllan> Sling: Currently No i dont
[21:22] <LaserAllan> I will m,ake a apstebin of the logs and show you
[21:22] <ddellav> if you dont have a proper domain name setup with reverse dns it's likely guaranteed to get blocked from gmail
[21:22] <ddellav> regardless of spf
[21:22] <LaserAllan> ddellav: Nah i dont have that currently
[21:23] <LaserAllan> but it has worked flawlessly for nearly a year
[21:23] <ddellav> i would probably setup fail2ban and all those to use your gmail smtp settings to send mail to yourself
[21:23] <ddellav> thats a bit weird, sounds like blacklisted
[21:23] <ddellav> but hard to tell for sure
[21:25] <LaserAllan> ddellav: I am going to take a piss and get a beer and I'll get to this, I haven't used Linux for more than maybe 7-8 months so I am fairly new to it so excuse me if my knowledge isn't as vast as I'd wanted iot to be
[21:25] <LaserAllan> But yeah sending mails to myself could work but if it's possible to configure a reverse DNS since I do have a domain that wouldn't be bad :)
[21:25] <LaserAllan> I guess it's easier to filter the emails than
[21:26] <ddellav> just be sure to google first :)
[21:27] <LaserAllan> ddellav: I have very little experience when it comes to setup a reverse DNS but does that I mean I'll have to setup SFB or is this something else?
[21:27] <ddellav> im not sure what SFB is but reverse dns is something setup by the person that owns the ip address associated with your server
[21:27] <ddellav>  your "ISP"
[21:28] <ddellav> so if someone does a reverse lookup on your ip, they'll see your domain
[21:28] <ddellav> i.e. dig -x ip.add.ress
[21:28] <LaserAllan> Hmm, well I have my domain at a hosting ocmpany here in scandinavia but the IP of the server which is gopig to send the emials is in the US
[21:29] <LaserAllan> not sure if that makes any difference but
[21:29] <ddellav> most hosting companies have control panels where you can set PTR records yourself, otherwise you'll have to contact them
[21:29] <ddellav> assuming you have a dedicated ip and not shared hosting
[21:29] <ChibaPet> LaserAllan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types#PTR
[21:30] <LaserAllan> ChibaPet: Thanks :)
[21:30] <LaserAllan> I have allot to learn but what better to do it with my owns tuff, not that much can break though:P
[21:30] <ddellav> it's always great to experiment and learn new stuff. I'm excited for you.
[21:31] <LaserAllan> I feel ashamed that it took me so amny eyars to really start using Linux
[21:31] <LaserAllan> for servers I think its extremely powerful, secure and lightweight
[21:31] <ddellav> every day is someones first day, nothing to be ashamed about
[21:32] <LaserAllan> ddellav: Some people jsut seem to be unfriendly/arrogant towards people who doesn't know as much as them :), but I am amazed what Linux can do, I am still learning the CLI step by step though.
[21:33] <LaserAllan> But but, I am not gonna clutter the chat with offtopic stuff, I'llg og et a beer and get back to the reverse DNS, hopefully I can sovle it together with a little help :)
[21:33] <ddellav> im sure you'll get it figured out. good luck :)
[22:40] <sarnold> hallyn: "zfs_poo_name" https://git.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+git/lxdserverguide/tree/lxd.md#n201
[22:56] <hallyn> lol
[22:56] <hallyn> thx


[09:05] <staale> hi everyone, i got this anoying problem, its now 2 weeks old, and it seems to have no end. For about two months i bought a Packard Bell ENW3344 Laptop, i had on it intill now, so for a week ago i changed to kubuntu linux kernel 2.6, the installation was good, expekt from one thing, and thats where my problem lies. It doesnt find wierd internet connection or wireless, ive tried to install ndiswrapper with winxp drivers, it seemed to turn
[09:05] <`Nomad> kernel: don't repartition anythign if you are unsure :)
[09:05] <staale> but it didnt, i cant get offers when i ping dhcp and no ip.. Ive tried all kind of help, but none of em' has worked. I will trie har one last time before i sadly is forced to reinstall windows:( Anyone with som possible help that might work?
[09:05] <krpano> guys, how hard it is to update KDE to the 3.5.1 ?
[09:05] <tsdgeos> krpano: easy
[09:05] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5.1
[09:05] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:05] <Red_Herring> kde351
[09:05] <krpano> where do i find a how to ?
[09:05] <Red_Herring> !kde351
[09:05] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:05] <Red_Herring> dammit
[09:06] <tsdgeos> lol
[09:06] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5
[09:06] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[09:06] <m88> Red_Herring: ?
[09:06] <tsdgeos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[09:06] <krpano> OK....thx.....going to try...:)
[09:06] <Red_Herring> m88: sorry, i dont know about dns :-(
[09:06] <kernel_i386> damn.. HOW am I supposed to write my data onto a DVDR .. if this k3B won't do it.. always error here error there..
[09:06] <m88> ok thanks :(
[09:06] <kernel_i386> :-( write failed: Input/output error
[09:07] <`Nomad> k3b is an exellent software
[09:07] <`Nomad> really is
[09:07] <kernel_i386> which won't burn DVDRs here
[09:07] <kernel_i386> nor DVDRW
[09:07] <Red_Herring> staale: you tried terminal or GUI tools?
[09:07] <kernel_i386> I mean.. why can't it just BURN :D
[09:07] <buz> kernel_i386: try nero linux
[09:07] <buz> works much better for me for dvdrs
[09:07] <kernel_i386> damn.. I don't want to invent it new.. I just want to burn ONE dvdr :D
[09:07] <Red_Herring> well, i guess it depends on the dvd burner
[09:07] <staale> Red_Herring: yiu mean the linux terminal?
[09:08] <Red_Herring> staale: yup
[09:08] <kernel_i386> NEC ND2510 ..
[09:08] <buz> actually, i think it's dvdtools fault
[09:08] <buz> for some reasons, i just cant set the buffer any higher than 8mb
[09:08] <Red_Herring> because with the linux terminal its much easyer to find out whats going on
[09:08] <kernel_i386> I shoot myself..  for real
[09:08] <staale> Red_Herring: what should i trie there that i havent tried?
[09:08] <AstralSin> could someone tell me how to add video modes to KDesktop? I'm running KDE 3.5.1 and I've edited my xorg.conf, but the video modes i've changed there havent changed in KDesktop
[09:08] <buz> which is way too low for 8x dvdr
[09:08] <kernel_i386> linux is such a pain
[09:08] <Red_Herring> staale: hold on, im getting there
[09:08] <Red_Herring> first off, what wireless card?
[09:08] <kernel_i386> Incorrectly encoded string (wrfe) encountered.
[09:08] <staale> kernel_i386: leave then
[09:08] <kernel_i386> Incorrectly encoded string (wrfe) encountered. <-- wtf does that mean?
[09:09] <kernel_i386> Possibly creating an invalid Joliet extension. Aborting.
[09:09] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: you are burning a dvd with a filesystem that cant use taht character set?
[09:09] <kernel_i386> hmm, so which fs should I use then?
[09:09] <Red_Herring> staale: what wirelss card, and what do you get when you type in "ndiswrapper -l"?
[09:10] <staale> i gets thats everything is okey
[09:10] <staale> waith, ill try write output of it now
[09:10] <staale> wait*
[09:10] <Red_Herring> ive used ndiswrapper before
[09:11] <staale> Red_Herring: And it worked?
[09:11] <Red_Herring> when it works, its awesome
[09:11] <Red_Herring> when it doesnt, you want to beat your computer over the head
[09:11] <staale> Red_Herring: Yes, i agree
[09:11] <Red_Herring> staale: i have gotten it to work before, but i  just decided to get a well supported linux wireless card
[09:11] <staale> Red_Herring: Right now i just wanna throw it outside window
[09:11] <kernel_i386> `Nomad or Red_Herring  do you have 3 seconds to show me @ vnc how to burn a dvdr without this problem?
[09:11] <Red_Herring> it was a whopping 10 more
[09:12] <`Nomad> AstralSin: What do you mean? Are you asking how to change the desktop size?
[09:12] <AstralSin> yeah, I'd like to use a higher resolution than 1024x768
[09:12] <Red_Herring> staale: yeah, i know how you feel
[09:12] <Red_Herring> but what is the output of "ndiswrapper -l"
[09:12] <Red_Herring> it should be 1 line
[09:12] <AstralSin> i've added 1600x1200 and 1280x1024 in my xorg.conf but KDesktop only goes up to 1024x768
[09:13] <staale> Red_Herring: OMFG after some configs yesterday, my pc wont start
[09:13] <Red_Herring> !resolution
[09:13] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:13] <staale> i have to reinstall whole kubunut
[09:13] <staale> *kubuntu
[09:13] <Red_Herring> ouch
[09:13] <`Nomad> kernel: I think redHerring is right, your character set needs to be looked at
[09:13] <staale> ill be back
[09:13] <staale> bye
[09:13] <`Nomad> and I know nothing much abotu that
[09:13] <Red_Herring> !characterset
[09:13] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:13] <AstralSin> ok, i'll try that, thaniks
[09:14] <`Nomad> !charset
[09:14] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[09:14] <Red_Herring> !char
[09:14] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:14] <Red_Herring> !ubotu
[09:14] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[09:14] <`Nomad> !locale
[09:14] <ubotu> `Nomad: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:14] <`Nomad> !pizza
[09:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[09:14] <Red_Herring> well, at least it knows its own name
[09:14] <`Nomad> it's broken.. lol
[09:14] <Red_Herring> !
[09:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:15] <lordrich> whats the command to go to the grafic settings in the konsole ...
[09:16] <lordrich> something with dpkg?
[09:16] <Red_Herring> wow, i really like the new systemsettings in kde 3.5.1
[09:17] <Red_Herring> im running the livecd now, it reminds  me a LOT of yast
[09:17] <`Nomad> kernel: can you try and change that character in teh file that is causing a problem, just to see if it then accepts it and goes to a next one or not
[09:17] <`Nomad> yasterday, love was such an easy game to play
[09:17] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: yeah, hes right
[09:18] <paulvolk> I was in here earlier asking about a login problem and I still haven't gotten it to work
[09:18] <Red_Herring> that character might be the only problem
[09:18] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: what problem?
[09:18] <`Nomad> might have a control character in there
[09:18] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring: fixed problem
[09:18] <`Nomad> how?
[09:18] <Red_Herring> nice
[09:19] <Red_Herring> `Nomad: that "`" at the beginning of your name makes it a pain in the ass to type in (fyi)
[09:19] <paulvolk> I have made 2 ne accounts and I sett them up with a password it is just that the password carries over to both the accounts as well as I can't get on one of them
[09:19] <`Nomad> LOL
[09:19] <paulvolk> I have no idea what is wrong
[09:19] <`Nomad> Redherring: That way no on ehas ever stolen my nick  ;)
[09:19] <Red_Herring> i just registered mine
[09:19] <`Nomad> actually mine is too now
[09:20] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: that is very odd
[09:20] <Nomad> oops, that Nomad is owned by someone else
[09:20] <paulvolk> I know and I don't know how to fix it
[09:20] <Red_Herring> see Nomad, if it is at the end, i can just hit tab and it puts the "`" in for me
[09:20] <Red_Herring> but if its at the beginning, i need to put that "`" in right away
[09:20] <Red_Herring> no big deal
[09:20] <Red_Herring> just fyi
[09:21] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: you cant login as in it tells you the password is wrong?
[09:21] <Nomad> redHerring: Teh worst is, when I have french keyboard on, I can't even find the damn character
[09:21] <Red_Herring> or because it tells you there is an error in the config files?
[09:21] <Red_Herring> i have a laptop keyboard, and del, ins, and ` are all next to eachother
[09:22] <paulvolk> for one account the other demanded I change the password so I did and I got in on that account fine after I changed the password
[09:22] <Red_Herring> so either i pase a line, delete a char, or put a ` in
[09:22] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: so it works now?
[09:22] <paulvolk> only one account the other won't
[09:22] <`Nomad> I woudl switch, but Nomad is owned by someone else
[09:22] <`Nomad> kernel: So all is ok then?
[09:23] <lordrich> anyone here who have porblems with nvidia drivers and ubuntu??
[09:23] <Red_Herring> !nvidia
[09:23] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:23] <Red_Herring> lordrich: i have better experiences with them than ati ;-)
[09:24] <paulvolk> How would I fix it so the other one works?
[09:24] <Red_Herring> delete and remake the account?
[09:24] <lordrich> Red_Herring: i cant install the nvdia driver so, that the kde work
[09:24] <lordrich> and with the driver from ubuntu i have grafik errors ...
[09:24] <lordrich> grafic
[09:24] <Red_Herring> lordrich: you cant install it?
[09:24] <Red_Herring> !nvidia
[09:24] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:24] <Red_Herring> ^ did you try it?
[09:25] <lordrich> all is ok, i can compile the binary from the nvidia page, but when i take the driver, kde dont start
[09:25] <Red_Herring> lordrich: as in no graphics start once so ever?
[09:26] <lordrich> what? i understand the sentence
[09:26] <lordrich> my english is not good ...
[09:26] <Red_Herring> do you get to a login screen
[09:26] <lordrich> no
[09:26] <Red_Herring> well
[09:26] <Red_Herring> thats the problem
[09:26] <lordrich> nothing happend when i type "kdm start"
[09:26] <lordrich> and when i am reboot it is the some
[09:26] <Red_Herring> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:27] <Nomad411> How do I register my nick?  it's been so long
[09:27] <lordrich> it  works
[09:27] <Red_Herring> and go through that thing
[09:27] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: /msg NickServ register <password>
[09:27] <Nomad411> There ;)
[09:27] <Red_Herring> nice
[09:27] <lordrich> what i  have to to now?
[09:27] <Red_Herring> not much
[09:27] <lordrich> i have start dpgk ...
[09:27] <Red_Herring> just go through the wizard
[09:28] <Red_Herring> its self-explanatory
[09:28] <lordrich> the problem is, i need the right dedired X server driver
[09:28] <Red_Herring> yeah, insted of using the driver "nv" use "nvidia"
[09:29] <Red_Herring> *instead
[09:29] <lordrich> because with the nv i have grafic problem.. and with the new nvidia kde dont start
[09:29] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[09:29] <Red_Herring> is it compiled right?
[09:29] <lordrich> yes, i think!
[09:29] <Red_Herring> hmmmm
[09:29] <Red_Herring> !pastebin
[09:29] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:30] <Red_Herring> try pasting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to here ^
[09:30] <paulvolk> making the account again does nothing
[09:31] <paulvolk> the password is the same for both accounts for some reason
[09:31] <paulvolk> whe I change one the other changes too
[09:31] <Red_Herring> odd
[09:31] <Red_Herring> very odd
[09:32] <paulvolk> well I need more then one account on it so do you have any ideas on how to fix it?
[09:33] <Red_Herring> make a 3rd account ;-)
[09:33] <Red_Herring> well, honestly i would try making a new account using one of those GUI tools
[09:33] <bur[n] er> anyoen know how to make konq show video thumbnails?
[09:34] <Red_Herring> hmmm, i have the same question, now that i think about it
[09:34] <paulvolk> ok what are the GUI tools?
[09:34] <Red_Herring> hmm, i would try one of the things in systemsettings
[09:35] <murchadh> !w32codecs should be where
[09:35] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, murchadh
[09:35] <paulvolk> That is what I have been using
[09:35] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[09:35] <ubotu> I guess win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:35] <Red_Herring> those are best
[09:35] <Nomad411> win32codecs won't download when i tried though, and I have that repo
[09:35] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: well then have you tried "sudo adduser"?
[09:35] <paulvolk> no
[09:36] <paulvolk> should I?
[09:36] <Red_Herring> whats what i would try
[09:36] <Red_Herring> it couldnt hurt, could it?
[09:36] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: you couldn't get video thumbnails ?
[09:36] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: not in kde 3.4.3
[09:36] <Red_Herring> lemme check in kde 3.5.1
[09:37] <Red_Herring> im running the livecd on my desktop now
[09:37] <murchadh> I'm having the same prob as Nomad411. I also have the zip file, dunno where to put them?
[09:37] <Nomad411> zip?
[09:37] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: i'm using 351 i think... i'll find a way ;)
[09:38] <murchadh> Sorry! The zip file w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz
[09:38] <Nomad411> oh! There's lots of ati info at seveas by teh way
[09:38] <jung> hey i have a problem
[09:38] <jung> i installed eterm through adept
[09:38] <Nomad411> I have w32codecs, not win32codecs.  Guess they're the same thing?
[09:38] <jung> how do i access eterm?
[09:39] <jung> i only see konsole
[09:39] <bur[n] er> alt+f2, Eterm
[09:39] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: yeah, they are, just not the same way of getting them
[09:39] <Red_Herring> jung: you need to install it ;-)
[09:39] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: he did via adept
[09:39] <Nomad411> ok, great
[09:39] <jung> i thought i installed it through adept?
[09:39] <Red_Herring> oh
[09:39] <jung> it says that its been installed
[09:39] <bur[n] er> jung: alt+f2, Eterm
[09:39] <Red_Herring> i take your word for it
[09:39] <sander_> Is dapper still pretty rocky?
[09:39] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: or alt-space eterm
[09:39] <jung> "Could not run the specified command"
[09:39] <Nomad411> rocky?  and bullwinkled.. LOL
[09:39] <Red_Herring> with kicker
[09:40] <Red_Herring> sander_: i heard the install is very stable
[09:40] <bur[n] er> jung: "eterm" maybe?  with and without caps... try both, i forget ;)
[09:40] <Red_Herring> but the livecd still has some issues
[09:40] <jung> negative on both
[09:40] <sander_> Hmm, when's the new flight due out? I'm going to have to give it a try.
[09:40] <Nomad411> sander: And some people, me included, have problems with cerstain apps going Poof after, like xmms, krita for example..
[09:40] <Nomad411> segmentation faults for some reason
[09:40] <jung> really odd
[09:41] <bur[n] er> jung: try from another term?
[09:41] <jung> yes i've tried
[09:41] <jung> anyway i can just navigate to the dir and see if its there?
[09:41] <bur[n] er> sander_: apt-get upgrade?  what's wrong with that?
[09:41] <sander_> I can live with some stability problems, I'm thinking more X doesn't load level problems. :)
[09:41] <bur[n] er> jung: cd /usr/bin from a term
[09:41] <bur[n] er> jung: or open konq to /usr/bin
[09:41] <_robin> where to get KDE 4? O_O
[09:41] <bur[n] er> _robin: kde.org, build it ;)
[09:42] <jung> i see eterm
[09:42] <Nomad411> I just installed eterm to test, can't run it, not found
[09:42] <_robin> bur[n] er: is it already available?!
[09:42] <Red_Herring> _robin: dont?
[09:42] <jung> hmm i typed "Eterm" and it popped up
[09:42] <Red_Herring> its VERY buggy, last i heard
[09:43] <bur[n] er> yeah, less you're a dev of some sort, don't bother
[09:43] <sander_> bur[n] er: I have a test machine I run at work and changing sources and installing borked quite a bit. I can't even get my old kernels to load my net driver. I'm sure it will be fixed in the final release, but I think reinstalling from a flight cd is the way to go now.
[09:43] <Red_Herring> its not due out until at least the summer
[09:43] <Nomad411> ahh E
[09:43] <jung> anyway i can set it up so I won't have to navigate to /usr/bin whenever i wanna use it?
[09:43] <paulvolk> one question: how come cursor themes don't carry over in firefox?
[09:43] <Nomad411> you shouldN,t have to do anything,/usr/bin is the main spot for execs
[09:43] <bur[n] er> sander_: boot a livecd to that machine, chroot, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:43] <bur[n] er> :)
[09:44] <jung> why is eterm not working properly?
[09:44] <jung> any ideas?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> jung: /usr/bin should be in your path
[09:44] <bur[n] er> jung: restart KDE?
[09:44] <jung> how do i restart kde?
[09:44] <jung> restart comp?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> logout and login ;)
[09:44] <jung> hehe ok
[09:44] <Nomad411> capitalization, it's Eterm
[09:44] <jung> brb
[09:44] <bur[n] er> Nomad411: we went over that ;)
[09:44] <sander_> bur[n] er: That sounds intreaguing, but I've never chrooted. Is there a friendly ubuntu doc somewhere on how to do it?
[09:44] <Nomad411> jung was asking
[09:45] <jung> Nomad411, Good call, it is "Eterm"
[09:45] <jung> i was just typing eterm
[09:45] <murchadh> Where should I unpack w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz to? Any ideas?
[09:45] <Red_Herring> murchadh: wherever you want to
[09:45] <bur[n] er> murchadh: i'd get a .deb of it somewhere and install that
[09:45] <jung> woo I don't have to restart now :)
[09:45] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: shhh... give good help ;)
[09:45] <bur[n] er> jung: it work?
[09:45] <Red_Herring> murchadh: i suggest win32codecs
[09:46] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[09:46] <ubotu> [win32codecs]  binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:46] <Red_Herring> it works with apt
[09:46] <jung> bur[n] er yes, it worked
[09:46] <bur[n] er> it's w32codecs as the package name :P
[09:46] <jung> thanks for the help guys
[09:46] <Red_Herring> so? win32codecs and w32codecs are the same thing
[09:46] <murchadh> !win32codecs
[09:46] <ubotu> hmm... win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:46] <Red_Herring> except one you compile and one you install using apt
[09:46] <bur[n] er> jung: using what KDE version?  I'm just curious
[09:46] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: or dpkg :P
[09:46] <jung> how do i find out the version?
[09:47] <Red_Herring> ok
[09:47] <jung> i just installed kubuntu yesterday
[09:47] <Red_Herring> jung: breezy or dapper?
[09:47] <jung> uhh breezy
[09:47] <Red_Herring> ok, breezy, that means kde 3.4.3
[09:47] <bur[n] er> jung: hit the K in the bottom left ;)
[09:47] <admrl> does anyone know why my konqueror might not installed
[09:47] <bur[n] er> there are 3.5.1 packs for breezy :)
[09:47] <admrl> im using kde 3.5.1
[09:47] <zblach> me too
[09:47] <admrl> i mean not open
[09:47] <Red_Herring> well
[09:47] <Nomad411> me 3
[09:47] <paulvolk> can someone tell me the reposi for KDE 3.5?
[09:47] <bur[n] er> admrl: dapper or breezy?
[09:47] <Red_Herring> 3.5 is kinda buggy
[09:47] <admrl> breezy
[09:47] <Red_Herring> so i gotta wonder how 3.5.1 is
[09:48] <Nomad411> 3.5 is?
[09:48] <bur[n] er> paulvolk: depends on breezy or dapper... kubuntu.org
[09:48] <kernel_i386> me got 3.5.1 too
[09:48] <Red_Herring> in my experience
[09:48] <Red_Herring> then again
[09:48] <kernel_i386> dapper sucks!
[09:48] <Nomad411> exactly.. I had issues with 3.5, so I happily tried on 3.5.1,, Arghhhhhhhh!!!
[09:48] <Red_Herring> i also used automatix
[09:48] <Nomad411> :)
[09:48] <admrl> ive been using 3.5.1 for awhlie
[09:48] <Red_Herring> so that doesnt count
[09:48] <Red_Herring> admrl: how is it?
[09:48] <Red_Herring> any different from 3.5?
[09:48] <fredy> how do i install kde styles?
[09:48] <admrl> ive had 1 problem
[09:48] <paulvolk> um I am using breezy
[09:48] <Red_Herring> !kdestyle
[09:48] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:48] <admrl> and thats right now
[09:48] <admrl> konqueror wont open
[09:48] <admrl> and i cant figure it out
[09:48] <Red_Herring> well thats not good
[09:49] <admrl> no
[09:49] <bur[n] er> admrl: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[09:49] <admrl> ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /root/kde351/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.1/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (79)
[09:49] <admrl> wait i got that
[09:49] <bur[n] er> bad icon theme maybe?
[09:49] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install tango-icon-theme :)
[09:50] <bur[n] er> u don't have to do that, but you can change the icon theme via "kcontrol"
[09:50] <fredy> how do i install kde styles?
[09:50] <admrl> ya i know what tango does
[09:50] <paulvolk> what is the reposi for kde 3.5 or 3.5.1?
[09:50] <admrl> fredy you can install a deb
[09:50] <admrl> paulvolk kubuntu.com
[09:50] <bur[n] er> paulvolk: kubuntu.org has that info
[09:50] <bur[n] er> er.. .com rather ;)
[09:50] <paulvolk> ok
[09:51] <admrl> fredy you can find a deb usually on kde-look.com
[09:51] <Red_Herring> !baghira
[09:51] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <Red_Herring> !kwin-baghira
[09:51] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:52] <fredy> amdrl: well, not all of them come with a deb. It's weird there's no easy way to do it
[09:52] <bur[n] er> uhh... paulvolk, nevermind, kubuntu.com is all f'd up here :\
[09:52] <Red_Herring> kubuntu.org
[09:52] <Red_Herring> :-D
[09:53] <admrl> its only for my user
[09:53] <admrl> fredy:
[09:53] <bur[n] er> anyone trying koffice 1.5 yet?  i'm curious of it now with .odf format :)
[09:53] <admrl> fredy: if its from source you need to ./configure
[09:53] <nikita> !package
[09:53] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nikita
[09:53] <admrl> make && sudo make install usually
[09:53] <_robin> omfg cant wait for kde 4
[09:53] <farous> !packages
[09:53] <ubotu> packages is, like, totally, You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com .  It also has a nifty file search feature.
[09:54] <Red_Herring> !vlc
[09:54] <ubotu> [vlc]  a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[09:54] <farous> nikita as in nikita khoroshoof :)
[09:54] <bur[n] er> that baghira link doesn't work :\
[09:55] <nikita> farous: hehe, exactly =))))) y everybody knows him :D
[09:55] <nikita> !autopackage
[09:55] <ubotu> from memory, autopackage is evil
[09:56] <_henrik> where can i download kde 4.0 to kubuntu????
[09:56] <Red_Herring> !kde4.0
[09:56] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:58] <bur[n] er> _henrik: if you want .debs for it, good luck... it's still very very very early development
[09:58] <_henrik> ok
[09:58] <_henrik> but where can i download it
[09:59] <murchadh> w32codecs shows up in my adept, but won't install. Tried kpackage on the tar.gz file - sh: installpkg: command not found
[10:01] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> my real player does not works in firefox
[10:01] <C-O-L-T-AWAY> how to make it to work
[10:02] <murchadh> Red_Herring: When I unpack the files from the tar file into a directory, do I need to put it in my path or set individual players to see them individually.
[10:02] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[10:02] <Red_Herring> i never used w32codecs
[10:02] <Red_Herring> but i assume its somewhere in /usr
[10:02] <Red_Herring> but its ok to untar them to your home directory for now
[10:03] <Red_Herring> !w32codecs
[10:03] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[10:04] <paulvolk> Which is better Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[10:04] <Red_Herring> murchadh: did you try using the .deb files?
[10:04] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: wow, sorry, thats a retarded question to ask HERE
[10:04] <paulvolk> from your opinion
[10:04] <Red_Herring> we think kubuntu is better
[10:04] <paulvolk> oh ok
[10:05] <Red_Herring> but i personally like ubuntu w/ kubuntu installed on top
[10:05] <paulvolk> oh ok
[10:05] <paulvolk> cool
[10:05] <paulvolk> thanks
[10:05] <Red_Herring> no problem
[10:05] <paulvolk> sorry I am such a noob
[10:05] <paulvolk> lol
[10:05] <kernel_i386> okay.. Red_Herring I am now about to reinstall kubuntu - to get back to breezer - which install option should I use?
[10:05] <arrinmurr> paulvolk: kubuntu = ubuntu
[10:05] <Red_Herring> default?
[10:06] <paulvolk> ok
[10:06] <arrinmurr> paulvolk: the question is really whether you prefer kde over gnome
[10:06] <kernel_i386> default.. okay.. maybe format before or something?
[10:06] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: yeah, ubuntu and kubuntu have the EXACT same base, just one with kde, one with gnome
[10:06] <Red_Herring> oh, paritioning?
[10:06] <kernel_i386> dunno..
[10:06] <halibut> Use kernel framebuffer device interface?         yes or no with an expensive graphics card ?
[10:06] <kernel_i386> I have ONE hdd with 2 partition ...
[10:06] <Nomad411> Red_Herring:  There's a diff between Ubuntu with kde-desktop and Kubuntu?
[10:06] <Red_Herring> halibut: i dont like it
[10:06] <kernel_i386> in ext3
[10:07] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: not much
[10:07] <halibut> Red_Herring, what does it do exactly??
[10:07] <kernel_i386> one part is for storage - the other is swap
[10:07] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: did you install it with the default install?
[10:07] <Nomad411> halibut: framebuffer doesn't work for me, but it is teh default for most people I think
[10:07] <kernel_i386> dunno.. think so :)
[10:07] <Red_Herring> halibut: well, its kinda complicated
[10:07] <Red_Herring> but i have had bad luck with it
[10:07] <Red_Herring> with ATI
[10:07] <Red_Herring> and not great luck using NVIDIA
[10:07] <halibut> Red_Herring, is it better though?
[10:07] <kernel_i386> hehe
[10:08] <Red_Herring> so i would say dont use it, it holds NO performace benefiets that i can see
[10:08] <kernel_i386> okay.. then I will just reinstall :)
[10:08] <halibut> I have a 7800GT so I want everything working nice :)
[10:08] <kernel_i386> and hope it'll work and didnt make anything wrong
[10:08] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: yeah, thats what i would do
[10:08] <Red_Herring> halibut: DAAAAAAAAMMMMMM, nice! ! ! ;-)
[10:08] <kernel_i386> won't ..
[10:08] <kernel_i386> cya in a few ... :)
[10:08] <Red_Herring> ok
[10:08] <halibut> Red_Herring, does it use more main memory to enable it and less graphics memory or something?
[10:08] <Red_Herring> halibut: doom3 and quake 4 kick total ass with nvidia under linux!
[10:09] <halibut> ^^
[10:09] <halibut> but yes or no?!
[10:09] <Red_Herring> uhh
[10:09] <Red_Herring> no
[10:09] <Red_Herring> it should make a difference
[10:09] <Red_Herring> but you can easily change it
[10:09] <Red_Herring> if you want
[10:09] <Red_Herring> !xserver-xorg
[10:09] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:09] <Red_Herring> !dpkg-reconfigure
[10:09] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[10:11] <Red_Herring> w00t, snow!
[10:12] <paulvolk> ok one question
[10:12] <Red_Herring> is kde3.5 supposed to be slower than kde3.4.3?
[10:14] <murchadh> OK! I see w32codecs in Adept. Fails to install. Could it be something to do with using a 686 kernel. I can change back and see, any ideas?
[10:14] <paulvolk> When Kubuntu 6.xx comes out do I have to do another install or can adept update my system for me?
[10:14] <Red_Herring> murchadh: not likely
[10:14] <Red_Herring> paulvolk: adept/apt can update easily
[10:14] <Red_Herring> as long as you dont downgrade again ;-)
[10:15] <paulvolk> what do you mean downgrade?
[10:15] <Red_Herring> never mind
[10:15] <paulvolk> ok
[10:15] <murchadh> Thanks Red Herring! I'll leave that as it is. I'll get it eventually!
[10:15] <paulvolk> thanks
[10:15] <Red_Herring> some guy was complaining earlier about he installed dapper and wanted to downgrade
[10:16] <Red_Herring> murchadh: i SERIOUSLY suggest seeing if win32codecs works
[10:16] <Nomad411> !torrrent
[10:16] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[10:16] <Nomad411> !torrent
[10:16] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[10:16] <Nomad411> !bittorrent
[10:16] <ubotu> it has been said that bittorrent is the BitTorrent FAQ is available at: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[10:16] <Red_Herring> !azureus
[10:16] <ubotu> I heard azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[10:16] <murchadh> Thanks again. Where's the easiest place to find 'em?
[10:16] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[10:16] <ubotu> hmm... win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[10:16] <Nomad411> !whyisbittorrentsoslowonmymachine
[10:16] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Nomad411
[10:16] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[10:16] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:17] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: what are you using, azureus?
[10:17] <Red_Herring> or ktorrent?
[10:17] <Nomad411> bittornado
[10:17] <Nomad411> toronado?
[10:17] <Red_Herring> oh, use ktorrent or azureus
[10:17] <murchadh> Could only find w32codecs at seveas!
[10:17] <Nomad411> really?  ok..
[10:17] <Nomad411> I wonder if they will pick up what I have downloaded so far?
[10:17] <Red_Herring> i have VERY fastg speeds with azureus under linux
[10:17] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: of coarse, ONLY DOWNLOADING LEGAL STUFF ;-)
[10:18] <Red_Herring> but you should be able to resume it from client to client
[10:18] <Red_Herring> murchadh: really?
[10:19] <Nomad411> of course!!
[10:19] <Nomad411> Like Kubuntu CDs,
[10:20] <Red_Herring> yeah ;-)
[10:20] <Red_Herring> or doom 3
[10:20] <Red_Herring> jk
[10:20] <Red_Herring> i bought that
[10:20] <Red_Herring> because its ID
[10:20] <Red_Herring> and if its for linux, you dont steal it
[10:20] <Nomad411> I had that runnign a while ago.. I've been addicted to BlobWars, I'm so old skoll when it comes to video games.. I like Maelstrom.. hehe
[10:21] <Red_Herring> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cell/
[10:21] <_allan> Kubuntu hasn't packaged kde 3.5.1 correctly, and kdegraphics, kdevelop, and kdegraphics-kfile-plugins won't install. Is there a way to fix this?
[10:21] <Red_Herring> wow, kubuntu on a ps3!
[10:21] <murchadh> They're called Win 32 Codecs but the download file is called w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz. There is also a .deb file which I get refused access to.
[10:21] <_allan> ubijtsa: hi
[10:21] <Red_Herring> murchadh: using seveas?
[10:22] <ubijtsa> lo _allan
[10:22] <ubijtsa> _allan: after you left earlier, Riddell gave an explanation
[10:22] <_allan> yes?
[10:23] <murchadh> This the url I can't download http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/extras/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[10:23] <ubijtsa> you need to enable/add the breezy-security university repository
[10:23] <Red_Herring> murchadh: did you use apt?
[10:23] <murchadh> This is the one I have http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/extras/w32codecs_20050412.orig.tar.gz
[10:23] <_allan> what's the "deb blah blah blah" code for it?
[10:23] <ubijtsa> _allan: one sec
[10:23] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[10:23] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:23] <Red_Herring> !repos
[10:23] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:24] <Red_Herring> dont download, use apt/adept to do it for you
[10:24] <ubijtsa> _allan: deb     http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:25] <murchadh> Yeah. Error 403. Kpackage, Adept and apt as well as the deb link on seveas page.
[10:25] <Nomad411> woah.. Azureus = sleek
[10:25] <zblach> hi. what simple program (like a text editor with a few more features) would you recommend for programming with in java or python?
[10:26] <Red_Herring> Nomad411: make sure you get java 1.5
[10:26] <Red_Herring> not java 1.4.2
[10:26] <Red_Herring> zblach: well, kate or VI
[10:26] <Red_Herring> terminal or GUI, take your pick
[10:26] <zblach> right, kedit, or vim, but i'm looking for something GUIsh
[10:26] <Red_Herring> hmm
[10:26] <Red_Herring> an IDE?
[10:26] <zblach> that'd be nice
[10:26] <Red_Herring> for python:
[10:26] <Red_Herring> IDLE
[10:26] <Nomad411> I already had the Sun one installed I believe
[10:26] <Red_Herring> or ERIC
[10:27] <zblach> well, i gotta learn python first
[10:27] <Red_Herring> for java: eclipse
[10:27] <Red_Herring> !eclipse
[10:27] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[10:27] <Red_Herring> !idle
[10:27] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:27] <Nomad411> I like kate, multitab, like ultraedit in windows
[10:27] <zblach> i like eclipse, but i'm into some more of the basic stuff
[10:27] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:27] <Red_Herring> i am too
[10:27] <zblach> like a plain text editor with a compile & a run button
[10:27] <Nomad411> did yo ulook at kdevelop?
[10:27] <Red_Herring> kdevelop is nice
[10:27] <zblach> no. don't know it
[10:27] <Red_Herring> !kdevelop
[10:27] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:27] <zblach> i'll adept it
[10:27] <Nomad411> !kdevelop3
[10:27] <ubotu> Nomad411: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:28] <_allan> ubijtsa: it works for the kdegraphics ones, but not the kdevelop
[10:28] <Nomad411> using adept, you're apt to find it
[10:28] <zblach> harhar.
[10:28] <zblach> looks like kdevelop is for C/C++
[10:28] <ubijtsa> _allan: dunno what to do about kdevelop..
[10:29] <ubijtsa> I bet it will get fixed, but I am not in a position to say when.
[10:29] <_allan> ubijtsa: oh, well. I don't use it anyway. Just a minor annoyance when updating other stuff.
[10:29] <Red_Herring> zblach: no, kdevelop is for almost every languag
[10:29] <Red_Herring> *language
[10:29] <Red_Herring> with plugins
[10:30] <zblach> there was one I had in gnome, had a sort of a lined globe as a logo
[10:30] <zblach> can't remember the name
[10:30] <zblach> (pre-replatform, it's no longer installed)
[10:32] <zblach> scite maybe?
[10:34] <murchadh> zblach: I use Quanta Plus but mainly for html.
[10:34] <Red_Herring> same
[10:34] <zblach> 'html' is not a subset of 'programming languages' ^_^
[10:38] <Nomad411> kdevelop is broken?
[10:38] <Nomad411> I haven't used it yet :)
[10:39] <Red_Herring> i have had problems with it on occasioin
[10:40] <Red_Herring> but i dont think its broken
[10:40] <Red_Herring> !kdevelop
[10:40] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[10:40] <panoramix46> buona sera a tutti
[10:40] <murchadh> Red_herring: Downloading the .deb file for w32codecs from a seveas mirror. At last. Thanks for your help. I'll post how it goes for me after it downloads.
[10:42] <Red_Herring> murchadh: no, you add the seveas repos to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:42] <Red_Herring> and then update
[10:42] <Red_Herring> then use apt/adept to install it
[10:43] <murchadh> Red Herring: That wouldn't work. I think it's at the Seveas server that the problem exists (temporary I hope). I got through to one of the mirrors.
[10:43] <murchadh> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas/pool/extras/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[10:46] <Red_Herring> !repos
[10:46] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:46] <Red_Herring> murchadh: you dont need to do all of that
[10:48] <murchadh> Red Herring: Kpackage installed the deb file for me. Thanks again. While I have you - how to map the Backspace key to be back in konqueror (is this a really noob question)?
[10:48] <Red_Herring> murchadh: i wasnt sure if dpkg would work
[10:49] <Red_Herring> but im happy that you got it to work
[10:49] <Red_Herring> as for konqueror...
[10:49] <Red_Herring> im not sure how to do it
[10:50] <murchadh> By the way, I dunno why the version of Konqueror in Kubuntu has some of the menus removed, it took me a while to get console, split screen and side panel. These make Konqueror as good as anything I've used (on any platform, and I go back to the ZX81, he he)!
[10:51] <bbeck> murchadh: How did you get the split screen back, I haven't been able to figure that out?
[10:54] <murchadh> ctrl+shft+L for left and right split and T for top to bottom. F9 for a sidebar. You really need your Windows menu back. I'll find the link to do that, involves editing konqueror.conf I think. I'll post back.
[10:55] <Nomad411> kewl
[10:55] <as_28> anyone know if its possible to import from pst files to kmail
[10:56] <as_28> i read about an application call libpst
[10:59] <Nomad411> as_28:  If not, look at using an in-between app, liek thunderbird. :)
[10:59] <as_28> what is that?
[10:59] <as_28> sorry im new to linux
[10:59] <mmport81> how do i let non root users use my cd-rw?
[10:59] <murchadh> Try readpst, apt, adept or kpackage should do fine.
[11:00] <as_28> where do I find this app
[11:00] <as_28> i only found readpst
[11:00] <as_28> but dont know how to use it
[11:00] <Nomad411> what is what?  Mozilla-thunderbird?
[11:01] <murchadh> as_28: kmailcvt is probably better. Now that I think of it, it's what I used.
[11:01] <as_28> thanks
[11:02] <as_28> it is easy to use?
[11:02] <as_28> becouse i dont have any experience in linux
[11:02] <Nomad411> what are you using as an OS now?
[11:02] <Nomad411> Thunderbirs is on everything, it's known to be on eof the best email cliebts out there :)
[11:02] <Nomad411> http://getthunderbird.com
[11:02] <as_28> i use to use windows but know i want to learn linux
[11:03] <murchadh> Install kmailcvt using adept (whatever), then there should be an import export option which you run, then point it to your .pst. That's what I did, before I locked myself out of my ntfs drive. AAaaargh!!!
[11:03] <Nomad411> kmailcvt = kmail "convert"?
[11:03] <Nomad411> kewl
[11:03] <as_28> thanks all
[11:03] <murchadh> I'm using kontact, but it uses kmail, so I hope it works for you.
[11:03] <as_28> i will try now
[11:03] <buz> kmailcvt was really unstable for me
[11:03] <buz> it crashed a lot
[11:03] <buz> then again, 1gb of mail from thunderbird probably isnt the norm either
[11:04] <Nomad411> readpst seems interesting, I didnb't knwo about it
[11:04] <as_28> i just download it
[11:04] <as_28> but never use it do
[11:05] <zblach> hi. i'm running KDE 3.5.1. how can I have it recognize my media keys?
[11:06] <murchadh> Yeah. You should find tools -> import messages, after that it'll ask what program you're importing from. Glad I didn't have a gig of stuff, Buz!
[11:07] <cinder> does anybody knows why apt-get says that some packages are not instalables?
[11:08] <Red_Herring> sure, there are no libs that it requires
[11:08] <_grigory> hey! can anyone tell me how to get Prt Sc button to actually take screen shots, like it does under windows?
[11:08] <farous> cinder: do you have mixed repos?
[11:08] <Red_Herring> _grigory: use ksnapshot
[11:08] <murchadh> as_28: I'd recommend kontact. It's pretty cool, as good as any of the windows suites I've tried. News feeds, rss, mail, calender, etc. Try it with kmailcvt and you should be kewl!
[11:08] <cinder> donno, i put all that comes with the distro
[11:09] <_grigory> yeah, but i need to take a screen shot of say some menu in some program, and thats impossible with ksnapshot
[11:09] <cinder> Red_Herring: they require libs
[11:09] <farous> cinder: check if you have repos from hoary and breezy. Did you have hoary before
[11:09] <jose> i've got some problems with my cd rom, when i insert a cd it doesn't show anything, or it mounts itself on hdd instead of hdc. can anyone help?
[11:09] <_grigory> well, at least i cant find a way to do this, really annoying
[11:09] <cinder> 5.10
[11:09] <cinder> which one is?
[11:09] <Red_Herring> doesnt ksnapshot allow you to press prtsc when it is running to take a snapshot?
[11:10] <cinder> so, I have to disable old repositories
[11:10] <farous> cinder: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin
[11:10] <cinder> ok
[11:10] <paulvolk> Hello
[11:10] <_grigory> Red_Herring - it does?
[11:10] <_grigory> let me try
[11:10] <Red_Herring> thought so
[11:11] <cinder> farous: where the paste bin?
[11:11] <Red_Herring> !pastebin
[11:11] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:11] <farous> !tell cinder about pastebin
[11:11] <paulvolk> I was wondering I installed firefox on my Kubuntu but it is version 1 and version 1.5.1 is avalible why doesn't it have the most current version?
[11:12] <Red_Herring> _grigory: you can set a timer with it
[11:12] <_grigory> hmm.. prnt screen didnt work, but i used timer
[11:12] <_grigory> yeah, timer, great thing :)
[11:12] <cinder> farous: done
[11:12] <Red_Herring> yup
[11:12] <farous> paulvolk: ubuntu take a snapshot of current packages after six months. so for sometime it will not have all the newest packages
[11:12] <farous> cinder give me the weblink
[11:13] <paulvolk> when will it have the newest packedges?
[11:13] <cinder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8003
[11:13] <farous> paulvolk: in the new release ya
[11:13] <paulvolk> ok when is the new release coming out?
[11:13] <farous> !dapper
[11:13] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:14] <cinder> ubotu: which will be the repository to dwl it?
[11:14] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, cinder
[11:14] <farous> cinder: there is no probl with your sources.list. did you install any package from outside the repos or did you pin any package
[11:14] <cinder> nop
[11:14] <cinder> nothinh
[11:15] <cinder> I'll show the output (error)
[11:15] <farous> cinder: you might need to add some repos i can see that mulitverse is not there
[11:15] <farous> !tell cinder about easysource
[11:15] <farous> !tell cinder about repos
[11:16] <cinder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8004
[11:17] <farous> !info libbonobo
[11:17] <farous> !+info libbonobo
[11:17] <ubotu> Package 'libbonobo' does not exist.
[11:17] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[11:17] <ubotu> somebody said easyubuntu was an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more.  It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesnt change any settings by default. https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu or #easyubuntu
[11:17] <farous> hmmm cinder try in a terminal sudo apt-get update
[11:17] <Red_Herring> ^ is it FINALLY out of beta?
[11:18] <farous> than try to install them again
[11:18] <farous> !+libgnome
[11:18] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[11:18] <cinder> ALREADY done
[11:18] <cinder> farous: what if I update to dapper?
[11:18] <farous> !dapper
[11:18] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:19] <farous> see the big warning there
[11:19] <cinder> yeah, i know
[11:19] <cinder> but its ok anyway....
[11:19] <cinder> I'm not a "heavy user"
[11:19] <cinder> just desktop
[11:20] <farous> cinder unncomment your commented repos
[11:20] <farous> so you have main and restricted commented
[11:21] <murchadh> murchadh - /home/murchadh/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[11:21] <murchadh> System wide - /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[11:21] <as_28> murchadh: how do In install kmailcvt with adet
[11:21] <as_28> i dont now what i have to write in the konsole
[11:21] <cinder> farous: done, lets see...
[11:22] <Chris_Tucker> has anyone here gotten xmms to work with xlack to display song data in xchat?
[11:22] <murchadh> run adept, type kmailcvt in the quick filter.
[11:22] <murchadh> If you're in a console it's sudo apt-get install kmailcvt
[11:22] <cinder> farous: worked dude!
[11:22] <cinder> farous: thanks very much
[11:23] <farous> cinder i added multiverse check this out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8006
[11:23] <as_28> murchadh: thanks its installing now
[11:23] <cinder> farous: now it is downloading all deps and packages
[11:23] <farous> cinder just after universe add multiverse will give greater pool of packages
[11:23] <as_28> murchadh: where i find the icon to access kmailcvt?
[11:24] <cinder> thanks
[11:24] <cinder> 6.04 comes with kde 4?
[11:24] <farous> yrw:)
[11:24] <cinder> yes?
[11:24] <paulvolk> does 6.04 come with kde 4?
[11:24] <paulvolk> that would be neat
[11:24] <murchadh> There isn't one. Should be a new menu item (Tools, I think) on the kmail menu.
[11:25] <as_28> ok
[11:25] <farous> !+dapper
[11:25] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:25] <farous> !+dapper drake
[11:25] <ubotu> it has been said that dapper drake is the 4th release for Ubuntu (ver. 6.04). For goals see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals. To try without removing/breaking breezy see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot. see warnings !dapper
[11:25] <farous> ok look at the link for goals
[11:25] <cinder> farous: no kde 4 so?
[11:25] <farous> will tell you what packages will be there
[11:26] <as_28> murchadh: it could be that only lets me do outlook express intead of outlook?
[11:26] <farous> i do not know you have to follow the link and check it out
[11:26] <Red_Herring> !dapper
[11:26] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[11:26] <cinder> I've seen lots of screenshots of kde 4 but never could download the sources....
[11:26] <farous> check this link to see if it is gonna be installed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals
[11:27] <farous> !kde4
[11:27] <ubotu> kde4 is probably http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[11:27] <Red_Herring> it wont be out by then
[11:27] <Red_Herring> i can tell you that
[11:27] <Red_Herring> kde4 has got a LOOOOONNNNG way to go
[11:28] <JakubS> ask again in 2 years :-)
[11:29] <murchadh> as_28: Try the same thing with readpst, I don't use it myself, but it is for Outlook.
[11:29] <cinder> JakubS: hahaha
[11:29] <cinder> I'm interested actually in "plasma"
[11:30] <JakubS> i wonder if xorg will be up to challenge by then
[11:30] <zblach> anything on xf86 keys?
[11:31] <sorush20> is there a repository that allows the download of firefox 1.5 instead of 1.07 ?
[11:31] <Red_Herring> !firefox1.5
[11:31] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:32] <as_28> murchadh: i try to intall it but it doesent have a file to install apear so
[11:32] <as_28> it has all this .c .h files
[11:35] <murchadh> as_28: Backup your .pst file FIRST! Then try readpst -k -o /tmp/tmpkmail {your pst filename here}? Like I said I don't have an Outlook file to test it, but if you backup you should be fine. Then cd /tmp/tmpkmail and check it out.
[11:37] <Trollinator> kann mir jemand mit meinem WLAN helfen? es ist furchtbar langsam :/
[11:38] <Red_Herring> !ge
[11:38] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:38] <Red_Herring> !de
[11:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[11:39] <Trollinator> sorry
[11:41] <as_28> then it would bw readpst -k -o /tmp/tmpkmail/mail.pst?
[11:42] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring :) hey hey heeey
[11:42] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: all better?
[11:42] <kernel_i386> well... a fresh installation :P
[11:43] <kernel_i386> had dinner and stuff..
[11:43] <Red_Herring> nice
[11:43] <kernel_i386> yea.. now thinking of first steps
[11:43] <kernel_i386> had lots of apps installed
[11:43] <robewald> hi, after running set-language-environment my fonts in emacs are messed up, how do I fix that?
[11:43] <Trollinator> can somebody help me with my wireless lan? it's works, but it's really slow
[11:44] <hawking> I run snort with the command /etc/init.d/snort start ... it runs without problem but I can't see it at ps aux | grep snort why is that?
[11:44] <kernel_i386> Red_Herring: do you recommend to copy my home folder back right now? or first install _all_ apps (packages) I had before installed
[11:44] <Trollinator> use vi :p
[11:44] <kernel_i386> wb Hobbsee
[11:44] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: defenentally install them back
[11:44] <Hobbsee> ty kernel_i386
[11:46] <as_28> murchadh: sorry to trouble you, but I dont fin the file readpst all I have is readpst.1 and .c
[11:46] <kernel_i386> how long did it take untill you more or less had a clue about linux?
[11:46] <murchadh> as_28: No. The /tmp/tmpkmail is where you're going to put the converted file. -o is output file, -k is to say kmail format, and finally you give it the directory where your *.pst file is. Say you copy your *.pst to ~/outlook.pst, then readpst -k -o /tmp/tmpkmail ~/outlook.pst
[11:47] <as_28> thank you again
[11:47] <as_28> sorry kernel_i386 i am new
[11:47] <murchadh> ~ means /home/username by the way, it's a shortcut home {Hansel and Grettel could've done with a tilde (~)}
[11:48] <as_28> thanks
[11:48] <as_28> again
[11:48] <kernel_i386> hensel und gretel
[11:48] <murchadh> Sorry!
[11:48] <kernel_i386> np
[11:48] <hawking> when I change a file with kate or some other editor and save it then another file is created with the ending ~ how can i prevent ubuntu create those files?
[11:48] <kernel_i386> ~ are backup files.. or?
[11:48] <hawking> yes
[11:49] <kernel_i386> why not..?
[11:49] <kernel_i386> backup is always good :)
[11:49] <hawking> I do my backups manually
[11:49] <murchadh> as_28: If you open a console and type readpst --help. If you get an error readpst isn't installed correctly. Try it....
[11:50] <as_28> ok
[11:50] <as_28> yes error
[11:51] <Red_Herring> !e17
[11:51] <murchadh> as_28: When you did apt-get install readpst did you get any errors. Do you have adept or kpackage working?
[11:52] <as_28> i am running it again
[11:52] <as_28> to be shure
[11:52] <as_28> its says ok
[11:52] <as_28> i try readpst again
[11:52] <as_28> now it works --help
[11:54] <as_28> i think is not working becouse is outlook 2003
[11:54] <as_28> becouse its says error: could be outlook 2003 file?
[11:55] <Nomad411> http://www.tamera.org/Solar_Power_Village/SPV10_2004_engl.html
[11:55] <Nomad411> argh.. wrong paste
[11:55] <murchadh> You could be right. What was the error message? Does your Windows still work?
[11:55] <Nomad411> Why do torrents crawl on my linux box, no matter what software, with the same settings as my windows box where they run
[11:55] <as_28> yes
[11:55] <Nomad411> liek teh wind
[11:55] <as_28> in another machine
[11:56] <murchadh> You might be able to work around. Export from Outlook to Outlook-Express and use kmailcvt. Bit long-winded but it should work.
[11:57] <as_28> i am doing that know
[11:57] <Red_Herring> church, psh, im not even religious!
[11:57] <murchadh> You're on the ball!
[11:57] <as_28> thank you very much
[11:59] <stian> Hello all, I just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and rebooted, and I seem to be unable to reach the computer from over the network through ssh (which I have installed, and tried to restart)
[12:01] <googlah> hi ya folks
[12:01] <googlah> i just made a fresh install of kubuntu
[12:01] <murchadh> Nomad41: My Torrents work well under Kubuntu using a Ripwave broadband system (I think it's 800.11g), it sucked under XP. But I think my WinXP system was fried with hackers or trojans or something. I blamed the antenna and supplier for ages but Linux runs on it sweet. Not faulting MS, I didn't have much protection installed. It's pretty easy to firewall Linux, imho.
[12:01] <googlah> but i cant get administrator permissions which i find very strange.


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[07:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: still not have alot of time yet, but sure..bit by bit its comming up
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: received my 50 8gig usb sticks with company logo yesterday
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[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[01:44] <blmvxer> Hello I have a few questions about Unity8 and Maliit keyboard
[01:53] <duflu> blmvxer: Also, most of the team is in Europe so 6+ hours away from coming online :)
[01:54] <blmvxer> Freaking of course lol
[02:42] <blmvxer> Hello I have a few questions about Unity8 and maliit keyboard
[03:01] <blmvxer> Hello I have a few questions about Unity8 and maliit keyboard
[11:04] <sil2100> Hey guys!
[11:05] <sil2100> For xenial, I reverted the dbus fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1644323 since it was causing a regression with unity8
[11:05] <sil2100> Now from what Laney mentioned, this was not really an issue with dbus itself but needed some changes elsewere
[11:06] <sil2100> I would like to get this fixed once again for xenial, but I need someone to make sure it's not breaking unity8 once again
[11:07] <sil2100> (as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1644323/comments/18 )
[11:51] <Saviq> sil2100, I filed this: bug #1654365
[11:52] <Saviq> this is *why* Laney's fix broke us
[11:52] <Saviq> we should probably get robert_ancell to look at it, he might know best how lighdm + dbus works / should work
[12:01] <rcspam> Hi, my system is Xenial... I have lost all icons (indicators,time,etc) in my unity-panel. This is happened after a stop a fullscreen video. Since, some compiz/unity reset + remove config files doesn't solve the problem. If i am logging to another user, same things. An idea to fix this !!!??? thanx
[12:13] <sil2100> Saviq: thanks! Could you poke me once this one is resolved? I'd like to re-introduce his change then
[12:15] <Saviq> sil2100, that said, Laney's change was broken a bit, because restarting dbus didn't work (not sure if that's important, actually)
[12:15] <Saviq> I mean, it's probably not a real thing, but still it should kinda work
[12:19] <sil2100> hm, yeah, I would expect that to be working, even if it's not actually used anywhere
[14:04] <mterry> ltinkl: can I add a couple branches to silo 2272?
[14:09] <tsdgeos> mterry: he's sick, but i guess yes
[14:09] <mterry> oh no
[14:09] <mterry> yeah I also would guess yes -- adding
[15:03] <blmvxer> Hello, I have a few questions about unity8 and maliit keyboard
[15:09] <tsdgeos> blmvxer: ask and if someone knows the answer they'll answer, it's better than asking to ask
[15:11] <blmvxer> Okay, 1:Is there a manual command to force invoke Maliit keyboard?
[15:12] <blmvxer> 2:Is there a manual way of forcing unity8 into landscape in Ubuntu 16.10(x86)
[15:13] <tsdgeos> blmvxer: does the indicator rotation count as manual? what device are you running it that is not landscape by default?
[15:14] <blmvxer> tsgedos: Sadly no. I'm running on a baytrail nextbook and for whatever reason it's stuck in portrait mode
[15:19] <Saviq> blmvxer, you could modify https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/qml/DeviceConfiguration.qml
[15:20] <Saviq> it sounds like whatever orientation value we're getting from the sensor is bogus
[15:21] <Saviq> blmvxer, as for forcing the OSK up, there's this bug: #1521518 - we've not solved this completely yet
[15:23] <tsdgeos> blmvxer: Saviq: playing with /etc/ubuntu/devices.conf may work too afaics
[15:23] <Saviq> right, I was looking for that thing!
[15:28] <blmvxer> Tried  X-Ubuntu-Supported-Orientations=landscape on Unity8 and Unity8 shell and it rotates for a second then reverts back to portrait
[15:33] <Saviq> blmvxer, check out what we mentioned above ↑, if you can't get it to work, please file a bug with `ubuntu-bug unity8`
[15:33] <blmvxer> Saviq: Sorry I switched to unity8 and missed what was posted before
 blmvxer, you could modify https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/qml/DeviceConfiguration.qml
[15:34] <Saviq>  it sounds like whatever orientation value we're getting from the sensor is bogus
[15:34] <Saviq>  blmvxer, as for forcing the OSK up, there's this bug: #1521518 - we've not solved this completely yet
 bug 1521518 in Ubuntu UX "No way to invoke OSK when a hardware keyboard is connected" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1521518
 blmvxer: Saviq: playing with /etc/ubuntu/devices.conf may work too afaics
[15:39] <mterry> josharenson: fyi I rebased greeter-guest onto your ported branch
[15:41] <josharenson> mterry: ok, albert approved it yesterday so hopefully it lands soon
[15:42] <mterry> josharenson: yeah both branches are in same silo, that's what motivated my rebase
[15:42] <josharenson> mterry: ack
[15:50] <blmvxer> Okay, I'm using unity8 right now, I modified the QML file to make desktop InvertedLandscape. now it's figuring out the OSK when I undock my device
[16:02] <blmvxer> Hell I didn't know there was so much I can manualy edit with QML 0_0
[16:06] <Saviq> blmvxer, patches welcome :)
[16:07] <Saviq> blmvxer, as for the OSK, the plan was to listen to lid sensor data (iio)
[16:14] <blmvxer> Saviq: best I can probably do is write a script that reorients and restarts mir. My tablet was hell to even get Ubuntu on lol.
[16:15] <blmvxer> Saviq: I'm looking at forceOSKEnabled = autopilotDevicePresent() to force OSK in desktop mode as a temp fix for my issue
[16:15] <Saviq> blmvxer, yeah that's a temporary workaround for sure
[16:16] <blmvxer> If I was more knowledgable of how Ubuntu was detecting my orientation then I would try to work on it more in depth.  Maybe a new project to work on since I have landscape mode up
[16:18] <Saviq> blmvxer, we're relying on Qt's sensors API
[16:19] <Saviq> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/sensors-backend-topics.html
[17:24] <blmvxer> Still working on forcing OSK in the desktop shell of unity 8. I came across this line. oskEnabled: (keyboardsModel.count [18:01] <mterry> mzanetti: I can spend a little time looking at bug 1654306, I need to get back to our snap bugs -- been futzing in pure u8 land too long  :)
[18:29] <blmvxer> I believe I found some more info on why my OSK doesn't appear
[18:29] <blmvxer> file:///usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/Keyboard.qml:179 Type KeyboardContainer unavailable file:///usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/KeyboardContainer.qml:22 module "UbuntuKeyboard" is not installed
[18:29] <blmvxer> Though I have ubuntu-keyboard installed via apt
[18:50] <blmvxer> Okay so I got maliit keyboard setup in desktop unity 8
[18:51] <blmvxer> I called maliit-server when docked, removed the physical keyboard
[18:51] <blmvxer> Then it worked
[19:50] <mterry> josharenson: what is the end-user-experience that test_changingSessionSticksToUser is testing?
[20:02] <josharenson> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1631365
[20:05] <mterry> josharenson: so it's testing that the session we show when we switch to a user is the same as the session that liblightdm has stored for that user?
[20:05] <josharenson> mterry: and that the icon matches
[22:01] <mzanetti> mterry, hey, this seems to be some gsettings issue. I cannot repro, must be racyness
[22:03] <mterry> mzanetti: I couldn't reproduce either
[22:03] <mzanetti> seems to happen in like 50% of the cases for Pat, Saviq said it happens more often for him