[01:44] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm using tomcat and I'm trying to change the amount of memory used by an application....which I'm failing to do
[01:44] <m_tadeu> where should I set that?
[03:25] <mortrca> I would really like to see an answer to the question posed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2032129
[03:36] <sarnold> (for the curious, mortrca's answer is that "apt-get install foo^" looks to install the "foo" task. neat. never seen that before, it's only been around since 2007...)
[03:45] <patdk-lap> sarnold, the problem is probably that it was documented in the manual
[03:47] <sarnold> patdk-lap: w/was/wasn't/  :) at least, searching for "\^" does not find it; nor does "task". heh.
[03:47] <sarnold> patdk-lap: if it wasn't documented in the changelog, it'd be even harder to find...
[03:48] <sarnold> (grepping for ^ in the apt source is .. surprisingly worse than one might suspect. :)
[03:48] <patdk-lap> :)
[03:50] <patdk-lap> it's documented under tasksel
[03:50] <patdk-lap> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[03:52] <sarnold> haha, best part, it documents that it isn't documented anywhere.
[03:53] <patdk-lap> :)
[03:53] <patdk-lap> fun, I just upgraded postfix yesterday, and a new version comes out today
[03:54] <sarnold> haha, figures... hope it's nothing too important for you :)
[03:54] <patdk-lap> actually, no, that was dovecot
[03:54] <patdk-lap> hmm, mem leak, and a null reference
[03:54] <patdk-lap> not a huge deal, but
[03:55] <sarnold> null reference in postfix? o_O I'm surprised.. it's always seemed like really awesome code. :)
[03:55] <patdk-lap> The local(8) delivery agent dereferenced a null pointer while
[03:55] <patdk-lap>     delivering to null command (for example, "|" in a .forward
[03:55] <patdk-lap>     file)
[04:01] <patdk-lap> well, that was one easy patch to apply
[04:01] <patdk-lap> what I like to see :)
[04:01] <patdk-lap> new version posted to my ppa <3hours after release
[05:09] <ober_> http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~ober/lvm_test seeing hangs when deleting a lvm snapshot. can easily reproduce on different installs of ubuntu server, but not on any other distor.
[05:49] <SpinningWheels> anyone have any idea why an mdadm array would randomly go from /dev/md0 to a read-only on /dev/127? i cant find any errors in any logs that i've found. any ideas?
[08:49] <cantah> Howdey, just looking for information regarding setting up a distributed (cluster) environment for email. Need some help in that direction
[09:32] <Daviey> interesting... debian bug 699791
[09:33] <Daviey> more interesting than say, debian bug 699790 :)
[10:04] <maswan> lamont: Hey, do you have a guesstimate on the chances of the RRL patches making it into precise bind?
[10:21] <Pupeno_w> I need to backup a lot of files to S3… around 400k of them. I was using s3cmd sync so far, but it takes ages and it consumes too much memory. I think it's building a list, in memory, of all files, or something like that. Is there any other option for such a big amount of files?
[10:23] <andol> Pupeno_w: Do some basic shell scripting, passing one file at the time to s3cmd?
[10:24] <andol> Not that running ls on a 400k files folder is much fun, assuming all files are in the same folder?
[10:24] <Pupeno_w> andol: if I decide to take that route, I'll probably write it in ruby and use as S3 library. But I'm trying to find a better alternative for now.
[10:25] <Pupeno_w> andol: hehehe… they are not in the same folder. They are spread through many folders carefully so no folder has a huge amount of files.
[10:42] <phoenixsampras> how to install ubuntu from the network/.
[10:42] <phoenixsampras> ?
[10:45] <vezq> phoenixsampras: define network, you mean without console access?
[10:45] <phoenixsampras> well, im in citrix, and it is asking me an url to get the installation files, etc
[10:46] <vezq> no experience with citrix
[10:47] <vezq> but could try some ubuntu download mirror
[10:47] <phoenixsampras> what is a common url for a mirror? ramdisk... etc
[10:49] <vezq> maybe this helps: http://serverfault.com/questions/404201/ubuntu-12-04-netinstall-url-xen-host
[10:51] <phoenixsampras> oh fabulous
[10:51] <phoenixsampras> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/
[10:51] <phoenixsampras> thats it
[10:51] <phoenixsampras> Thanks!!
[11:08] <hatake> help
[11:09] <hatake> how to fix this http://dpaste.com/909494/
[11:16] <vezq> hatake: first question, why do you compile squid?
[11:16] <vezq> and then is your server clock correct?
[11:16] <hatake> hmm, meaby date expired
[11:16] <hatake> now installed ntp
[11:28] <Pupeno_w> What's the name of that program that easily creates a package from source code (configure, make, make install)?
[11:34] <rbasak> Pupeno_w: are you looking for dh_make?
[11:34]  * rbasak doesn't use it though
[11:35] <Pupeno_w> rbasak: why?
[11:35] <Pupeno_w> nevermind
[11:36] <Daviey> Pupeno_w: you are thinking of checkinstall.. but it's less than nice.. but still better thank just make install.
[11:36] <Daviey> rbasak: ^
[11:37] <rbasak> Ah, that rings a bell
[11:37] <Daviey> talking of nasty tools, when was the last time someone here used alien to convert rpm to deb?
[11:37]  * rbasak doesn't use that either :)
[11:37] <Daviey> rbasak: good :)
[12:12] <jamespage> zul: bug 981269, I think I'll ask the reporter to get it committed to stable/essex and then we can pickup in the next SRU
[12:15] <zul> jamespage: or we could do it on his behalf :)
[12:21] <jamespage> zul: it looks a suitable candidate to the stable/essex branch to me
[12:21] <jamespage> zul: however the upstream gerrit review is abandoned
[12:22] <jamespage> zul: and the backport does not include the tests...
[12:31] <zul> jamespage:  yeah buts its horizon
[12:31] <zul> jamespage: im not too thrilled it adds an extra dependecy as well
[12:51] <yolanda> Daviey, zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/ceilometer/grizzly
[12:51] <yolanda> i did some changes in the ceilometer package
[12:57] <catphish> what is the correct way to specify a secondary ipv6 address in the interfaces file?
[13:08] <RoyK> heh - reading the linux-raid mailing lists shows tons of "recover from raid-5 with double disk failure" threds...
[13:15] <jamespage> zul: what do you want todo with it then?
[13:21] <wmp> hello, i want to change order in init script. Now i have networking before fstab, and i want change this.
[13:21] <wmp> http://serverfault.com/questions/475589/how-to-change-upstar-order-network-after-fstab
[13:34] <zul> jamespage: the horizon thingy?
[13:34] <jamespage> zul: yah
[13:35] <zul> jamespage: ill do it
[13:35] <jamespage> zul: is that likely to make it upstream or should we just accept the patch into Ubuntu?
[13:35] <zul> jamespage: yeah i didnt know why it sat idle
[13:36] <zul> jamespage: i just woke up so.... :)
[13:37] <jamespage> zul: lol - well it looks OK; the actual fix is inline with that in Folsom even if it does not include the test cases
[13:37] <zul> jamespage:  yeah looks ok
[13:38] <zul> jamespage: the essex packaging for horizon will need to be updated
[13:46] <jamespage> zul: guh
[13:46] <jamespage> yolanda: whats the status on the essex sru's that are in the -proposed branched in the lab?
[13:46] <yolanda> jamespage, don't know about it, i raised the bugs but haven't received any notice
[13:48] <jamespage> yolanda: do you have the bug reference?
[13:48] <yolanda> let me check
[13:49] <jamespage> ta
[13:54] <yolanda> mm, i've found an old one that i did, but i marked that as invalid because i joined all in a single bug, still searching
[13:57] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/keystone/+bug/1089488
[13:57] <yolanda> that's it
[13:57] <yolanda> no progress since i filed it
[14:04] <jamespage> yolanda: hmm - that is somewhat unsatisfactory - I wonder what the hold-up is
[14:04] <jamespage> the updates where uploaded in December...
[14:04] <yolanda> i know
[14:05] <yolanda> can i do something to speed it?
[14:10] <jamespage> yolanda: poke the SRU team; I'd do it via the tracking bug first and then on irc a day or so later...
[14:11] <yolanda> i add a comment on the bug?
[14:14] <jamespage> yolanda: yes
[14:14] <rbasak> The 12.04.2 freeze is holding up all SRUs right now, isn't it?
[14:15] <jamespage> rbasak: hmm - probably - but this has been in queue since last year
[14:15] <jamespage> rbasak: TBH we don't ship these packages so its irrelevant for the ISO's; but it would be nice to push these out.
[15:03] <Castrol> hi
[15:03] <Castrol> I upgraded my 12.04 server and restarted, and now dnsmasq doesn't seems to serve DHCP requests
[15:04] <Castrol> I see an UDP listening port at: <IP_ADDRESS>/67
[15:04] <Castrol> But, how can I perform some kind of PING to test the connection?
[15:06] <zul> yolanda: can you have a look at the python-pecan stuff? you can find it ay http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=openstack/python-pecan.git
[15:06] <zul> Castrol:  by pinging an address?
[15:07] <yolanda> zul, is there any problem?
[15:07] <zul> yolanda:  just licencse issues
[15:07] <yolanda> ok
[15:07] <Castrol> Castrol: I expect some kind of command like: udp_ping IP_ADDR 67
[15:09] <yolanda> zul, is there any bug related to that?
[15:09] <zul> nope
[15:09] <zul> yolanda: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2013-February/045991.html
[15:10] <yolanda> ok
[15:40] <stetho> Is there a way I can do a dist-upgrade of a 10.10 Maverick server still? All the Maverick repos have gone from the servers.
[15:40] <jcastro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:40] <jcastro> stetho: ^^ check that out
[15:41] <stetho> Thanks. Exactly what I was after but couldn't find. That "google" thing is rubbish.
[15:43]  * RoyK sniggers
[15:58] <coker89> hi
[15:58] <RoyK> ho
[15:59] <coker89> i need help
[15:59] <coker89> but, ,i englsih is so bad
[15:59] <RoyK> !ask | coker89
[16:01] <zul> jamespage/yolanda/adam_g: Can you have a look? https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-keystoneclient/keystone-requests/+merge/146660
[16:02] <coker89> what??
[16:03] <coker89> idon't understand!!
[16:04] <hallyn> ahs3`: debian import freeze coming up;  can you push netcf to experimental this week so i can request a sync? :)
[16:15] <hallyn> stgraber: there's a blueprint WI for lxc to add RLIMIT_NPROC for userns.  My feeling is that is not particularly useful given other things that can be exploited - and default placement of system users into memory cgroups is better approach.  Disagree?
[16:16] <stgraber> hallyn: well, finding ways to avoid fork bombs is still relevant, memory cgroup helps there but you have to put a very strict quota to avoid running out of PIDs
[16:16] <stgraber> hallyn: ultimately where it's implemented doesn't matter a lot but I think we want some way to prevent a given container to use all of the hosts' PIDs
[16:17] <hallyn> i'll have to check, but seem to recall that by default it has far fewer pids anyway
[16:17] <hallyn> i could be wrong about that
[16:18] <tangomike>  /j #centos
[16:18] <hallyn> traitor
[16:19] <hallyn> all right - i guess rlimit_nproc for the host uid really is a convenient place for it.
[16:26] <jamespage> zul: reviewed
[16:26] <jamespage> and approved
[16:26] <zul> thanks
[16:45] <decci> Hi Guys
[16:46] <decci> I have Ubuntu 12.04.1 which I want to install directly on compellent SAN. I am using Intel I350 card but its not detecting the SAN at install time
[16:47] <decci> Just to get some more clarity, I installed Ubuntu 12.04.1 on local disk and then tried installing open-iscsi and see if it sees compellent SAN. I got this:http://paste.ubuntu.com/1613270/
[16:48] <decci> May I know if the output shows if it detects compellent SAN
[16:55] <zul> jamespage:  and another one: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-novaclient/novaclient-requests/+merge/146678
[18:23] <nwilson5> silly question, but in the shell doing "cat file1 file2 file3" will show the text in the order of the files you cat right
[18:23] <sarnold> yes
[18:24] <sweettea> im new to ubuntu server, what is the equivalent of chkconfig ?
[18:24] <sweettea> The program 'sysv-rc-conf' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[18:24] <sweettea> is it not that?
[18:25] <sarnold> sweettea: the upstart init replacement changed a few things (imho, mostly for the better)...
[18:26] <sarnold> sweettea: to list all jobs, initctl list  -- http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#list-all-jobs
[18:26] <sweettea> sarnold: thank you
[18:26] <sarnold> sweettea: that's often enough, because upstart assumes if a service is installed, that you want it to run
[18:26] <sarnold> sweettea: but you can disable services easily using an .override file: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[18:29] <maxb> Alternatively, not everything is converted to upstart, and for classic /etc/init.d/ type stuff, it's generally a good idea to have a look in /etc/default/<service>
[18:34] <sweettea> I just need to see whats running by default, so to disable it
[18:34] <sweettea> for example on rhel theres always the stupid NetworkManager
[18:35] <sweettea> im using a 12.10 box as a virt container, so I need to update security, disable everything not required, and edit iptables
[18:38] <sarnold> sweettea: if you don't want something running, maybe uninstall it :)
[18:40] <sweettea> understood
[18:40] <sweettea> but i just dont know whats what yet, learning :)
[18:48] <hatake> what best for cache content dymanic, squid 3.x or lusca ?
[18:55] <eagles0513875_> hey guys im running postfix + dovecot on 12.04 and the client is connected using pop3s i was wondering are there any known issues with pop3 over ssl on ubuntu
[19:02] <zul> adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-novaclient/novaclient-requests
[19:13] <jaimef> http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~ober/lvm_test creating a lvm snapshot, then trying to delete it on 12 server results in errors and system hang. been able to repro on 3 different systems.
[21:20] <supNow> Hello all I have a quick question I'm sure someone in here could answer very easily...
[21:22] <supNow> I setup lamp on ubuntu-server and installed phpmyadmin. I then switched the apache directory to one in the home directory. I was able to install a site using the db information I setup with phpmyadmin which was done before changing directories and the site that was setup after changing directories installed with no issues... however I can only pullup the login page for phpmyadmin now, when I try to login I get a NOT FOU
[21:22] <supNow> ND?
[21:22] <RoyK> !asm | supNow
[21:23] <supNow> the index.php file it is referencing is still in the phpmyadmin folder so I'm not sure why it's not finding it
[21:24] <RoyK> wonder perhaps if this quiestion is better answered in #phpmyadmin
[21:34] <resno> RoyK: when you do email what do you do/use?
[21:38] <adam_g> jamespage: Daviey zul just proposed the 2012.2.3 folsom changelogs into the lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/$foo/folsom branches. adjusted our scripts to only add a proper bug ref if there is an ubuntu task open. still using the metabug. let me know what you think
[21:39] <Daviey> adam_g: keystone empty ?
[21:40] <Daviey> adam_g: erm, i thought we were doing "LP: #Already-ubuntu-bugtask" and "LP: No-ubuntu-bug-task"
[21:41] <Daviey> ie, lack of a #.. meaning it doesn't get cuaght by regex.
[21:41] <RoyK> resno: ?
[21:44] <adam_g> Daviey: i opted for (LP: #Already-ubuntu-bugtask) + LP: No-ubuntu-bug-task, since (LP: #XXXXXX) is what i've alwasy used.
[21:45] <adam_g> er
[21:45] <adam_g> Daviey: (LP: #Already-ubuntu-bugtask) + LP: #No-ubuntu-bug-task.  does the latter get picked up the same as (LP: #XXXX) ?
[21:46] <adam_g> i can quickly regen if so
[21:46] <Daviey> LP: #x == (LP: #x)
[21:47] <adam_g> ah, ill drop the # then
[21:47] <Daviey> adam_g: you need to drop the #
[21:48] <minorix> Does IPsec with ESP in Tunnel Mode contain a layer 2 header at all or just layer 3?
[21:50] <sarnold> minorix: I'd expect just layer3; once it leaves one ethernet and travels to another network, it might be on a completely different layer 2..
[21:51] <minorix> Ok, so the "packet" that is encapsulated by ESP would not have layer 2 information then
[21:51] <minorix> I am trying to figure out how proxy ARP works in this sense
[21:51] <sarnold> minorix: unless you're encapsulating l2, of course, something like l2tp?
[21:52] <minorix> I have just a IPsec VPN
[21:52] <minorix> For my VPN, I had a VPN client on the same subnet as internal hosts and without proxy arp enabled on the VPN router, the two could not talk
[21:52] <minorix> So in this case, the router was responding to ARP requests for the VPN client
[21:53] <Daviey> adam_g: Oh, dang.. a keystone sec vuln is landing shortly
[21:55] <adam_g> Daviey: np. easy enough to rebase once it lands (happened last time). just wanted to get the tooling aligned to the new format/process in the meantime
[21:57] <Daviey> adam_g: yeah, rocking!  thanks :)
[22:28] <adam_g> Daviey: those branches are updated. also: http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/folsom/keystone-2012.2.1-0ubuntu1.1~cloud0/ ready for staging
[22:28] <adam_g> zul: ^
[22:30] <Daviey> adam_g: too tired to look now, will gander tomorrow.. thanks


[17:12] <camjac251> Hello
[17:55] <camjac251> Hello there
[17:55] <camjac251> I have been having some issues with x11 and mythtv-setup
[17:56] <camjac251> The keys are all messed up on it, 1 would be F1, M would be K. So they'd be a row above what they're supposed to be
[17:56] <camjac251> To add to that, I'm trying to add a new capture card but when i click, on new capture card, nothing happens, enter doesnt work, | \ doesnt work, any keys that could be enter dont work
[17:57] <camjac251> I'm in the US and chose the US english ubuntu 14.04 keyboard at install so not sure why it would be messed up like this
[20:58] <camjac251> nobody around to help?


[00:07] <Ubulette> ok, i think i've got it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5213/
[00:07] <Ubulette> no more tarball for us
[00:10] <asac> hu?
[00:12] <Ubulette> xulrunner/installer is never cleaned up, we generate the .pc files in there
[00:12] <Ubulette> so i needed the build system to recurse in there too
[00:13] <Ubulette> but it started to generate the tarballs we find in the ftp
[00:13] <asac> ok
[00:13] <Ubulette> i hope the patch is ok
[00:14] <Ubulette> it works for me but no idea for windows and mac
[00:14] <asac> isn't the installer build somehow different for us?
[00:19] <Ubulette> it's just a tar
[00:19] <asac> Ubulette: how about: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5214/
[00:20] <Ubulette> simpler but i thought clean was deprecated
[00:21] <asac> Ubulette: thats the way install: is hooked into
[00:21] <asac> if you step down from installer/ it will always build the full installer
[00:21] <asac> which is more than we want
[00:21] <asac> no idea about clean
[00:21] <asac> maybe distclean:: is enough
[00:37] <Ubulette> just distclean:: will do for now
[00:39] <Ubulette> cleaner than ever
[00:39] <Ubulette> we just drop:
[00:39] <Ubulette> -./mozilla/.mozconfig.mk
[00:39] <Ubulette> -./mozilla/.mozconfig.out
[00:40] <Ubulette> no more leftovers, no more ugly clean in debian/rules
[00:40] <asac> :)
[00:40] <asac> sounds greak
[00:41] <Ubulette> [reed], who should I put for review ?
[00:42] <asac> benjamin
[00:45]  * asac gone
[00:45] <Ubulette> me too
[00:45] <Ubulette> 'night
[00:47] <asac> night
[08:13] <asac> hi
[08:38] <asac> [reed]: there?
[08:38] <asac> how did your R61 notebook work out ... did you manage to install ubuntu?
[08:40] <asac> err i mean X61
[08:42] <[reed]> asac: yep
[08:42] <[reed]> I got it working off the usb key
[08:42] <asac> great
[08:42] <asac> [reed]: and are you happy in general?
[08:42] <[reed]> still haven't installed winblowz yet for my school work
[08:42] <[reed]> well, I am having problems with the network card
[08:42] <asac> hehe
[08:42] <asac> wireless?
[08:43] <[reed]> basically, if I change locations, I literally have to restart the laptop for the card to connect again
[08:43] <[reed]> and then it'll work for as long as I'm still connected
[08:43] <asac> oh
[08:43] <asac> wireless?
[08:43] <[reed]> probably a wifi driver issue
[08:43] <[reed]> yeah
[08:43] <asac> gutsy?
[08:43] <[reed]> yes
[08:44] <[reed]> dmesg shows some stuff, but I just haven't taken the time to debug it yet
[08:44] <[reed]> since it's easy to restart, really
[08:44] <asac> yeah ... you need to unload the ipw3945 module and kill the ipw3945d regulatory daemon i guess
[08:44] <[reed]> yes, so, why do I have to do that? :)
[08:45] <asac> as you said its a driver issue. the old driver is pretty fragile because of the user space daemon
[08:45] <asac> in hardy we have now the new driver iwl3945
[08:45] <asac> by default
[08:46] <asac> you can use that in gutsy as well afaik
[08:46] <[reed]> I might just try upgrading to hardy
[08:46] <asac> if you blacklist ipw3945 and modprobe iwl3945
[08:46] <[reed]> since it is my play laptop
[08:46] <asac> yeah ;)
[08:47] <asac> upgrading is better ... iwl3945 is under heavy development so the hardy version should be well ahead of the gutsy one
[08:47] <[reed]> how easy is it to upgrade to hardy from gutsy?
[08:48] <asac> should be simple
[08:48] <[reed]> update-manager -d
[08:48] <[reed]> hmm
[08:48] <asac> yeah
[08:48] <[reed]> maybe I'll try that now
[08:48] <asac> ;)
[08:48] <asac> cool
[08:48] <asac> i am here to hold your hands ;)
[08:51] <[reed]> that command just throws a python exception and dies
[08:51] <[reed]> great user experience!
[08:51] <asac> i never used update-manager to do that
[08:51] <asac> :)
[08:51] <asac> i just replace gutsy with hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:51] <asac> and do apt-get update
[08:51] <asac> apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:52] <[reed]> I got it going finally
[08:52] <[reed]> it's downloading packages
[08:52] <asac> [reed]: can you give me the python exception?
[08:52] <[reed]> 1111 packages
[08:52] <asac> yeah
[08:52] <asac> better do an apt-get clean before
[08:53] <asac> so your /var/ cache is freend (in case you don't have much space left)
[08:53] <[reed]> 104GB free
[08:53] <[reed]> I don't think that's a problem
[08:53] <[reed]> :)
[08:54] <asac> ok ;)
[08:59] <[reed]> 19 min. remaining
[08:59] <[reed]> pulling at about 459kb/s over wifi
[09:03] <asac> yeah ;)
[09:11] <asac> [reed]: what state to choose if a bug is not reproducible anymore anymore? WORKSFORME?
[09:11] <[reed]> yes
[09:11] <[reed]> and comment :)
[09:11] <[reed]> saying that
[09:16] <asac> debian bug 467560
[09:16] <ubotu> Debian bug 467560 in iceape-mailnews "iceape-mailnews: iceape crashes immediately after sending a mail" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/467560
[09:18] <[reed]> "About 1 minutes remaining" :(
[09:18] <[reed]> "About 1 minutes remaining" :(
[09:18] <[reed]> there, underlined
[09:20] <asac> where are you stuck?
[09:21] <[reed]> no, it's grammatically incorrect
[09:21] <[reed]> :p
[09:21] <[reed]> it's installing now
[09:24] <[reed]> asac: are you going to take the metacity fix downstream?
[09:24] <[reed]> (seen caillon's blog?)
[09:35] <asac> huh
[09:35] <asac> no :)
[09:35] <asac> still catching up on weekend email
[09:35] <asac> bug 183736
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183736 in firefox-3.0 "On first launch of firefox-3.0, some HTTP authentication dialogs are missing text" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183736
[09:41] <asac> [reed]: ok i will patch that for metacity then
[09:44] <asac> mozilla bug #390391
[09:47] <[reed]> I can't see that bug
[09:47] <[reed]> :(
[09:47] <[reed]> cc me?
[09:48] <asac> hehe :) ... well i was too dump and wanted to get an url ;) ... of course forgot about the fact that thats closed up
[09:55] <asac> wasn't it timeless who committed unreviewed patches?
[09:55] <[reed]> yep
[09:55] <[reed]> well
[09:55] <[reed]> it was one of the Nokia guys
[09:56] <[reed]> but it was timeless's fault it got on trunk
[09:56] <asac> k
[09:56] <[reed]> so
[09:56] <[reed]> I'm playing with hardy
[09:56] <[reed]> what should I play with?
[09:56] <asac> so the upgrade worked?
[09:57] <[reed]> yep
[09:57] <asac> see if you wifi issueis fixed :)
[10:04] <[reed]> Tracker has a typo
[10:04] <[reed]> "serveral minutes"
[10:04] <[reed]> it popped up a dialog
[10:04] <[reed]> talking about combining indexes
[10:05] <[reed]> with that typo
[10:05] <[reed]> best way to report that?
[10:09] <asac> bug against tracker
[10:09] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+filebug
[10:11] <[reed]> so, apt-get build-dep firefox-3.0 made me install autoconf2.13... that's fine, but it diverted the normal autoconf to another name
[10:11] <[reed]> how do I get rid of the divertion?
[10:13] <[reed]> also, lp 176484 is a dupe of lp 188439
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176484 in tracker "Spelling mistake" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176484
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188439 in tracker "[hardy] tracker-search-tool: misspelling in popup notification" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188439
[10:15] <asac> [reed]: you can use dpkg-divert i guess
[10:17] <asac> but i usually don't do that
[10:17] <[reed]> what do you do?
[10:18] <asac> i run autocon2.50 :)
[10:19] <asac> and if you are in maintainer mode it usually just works
[10:20] <asac> afaik the diverted autoconf will be smart to figure out which version to use
[10:23] <[reed]> hmm
[10:23] <[reed]> you allow anybody to mark bugs as duplicates and such?
[10:23] <asac> yes duplicates are ok
[10:24] <asac> you cannot bump importance i guess
[10:28] <[reed]> oh
[10:28] <[reed]> looks like my wifi driver is iwl4965
[10:30] <asac> yeah
[10:30] <asac> that makes tsense then
[10:30] <asac> no old driver exists for 4965 ... so gutsy driver can be shaky
[10:30] <asac> should be better i guess
[10:32] <asac> carlos: so will the filename be .../en_US/firefox.po ?
[10:32] <carlos> asac: the exported one?
[10:32] <asac> yes
[10:33] <carlos> no, it will be firefox/es.po
[10:33] <asac> ah ok
[10:33] <carlos> and so on for the other languages
[10:33] <asac> carlos: can you give me a complete path?
[10:33] <carlos> asac: that part is up to you
[10:33] <carlos> I think you agreed with martin pitt something like
[10:33] <carlos> xpi/firefox/es.po
[10:33] <carlos> is that correct?
[10:34] <asac> we just chatted where the mozilla builds should put the normalized en-US.xpi ... we didn't talk about where the PO files will end up
[10:34] <asac> i am fine with that
[10:49] <asac> carlos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/LaunchpadTranslationSupport#preview ... does that make sense (still incomplete)
[10:49] <carlos> let me check...
[10:50] <carlos> asac: oh, there is a change I need to discuss with you
[10:50] <asac> go ahead
[10:51] <carlos> asac: the id will not be in msgctx but in the '#: ' line
[10:51] <carlos> at the end of the file location where we got that message from
[10:51] <asac> can you update the example?
[10:51] <asac> ok
[10:51] <carlos> sure
[10:54] <carlos> asac: updated
[10:55] <asac> carlos: hmm ... so will you use the full path to identify the translations?
[10:56] <carlos> well, that information is not used by us at all
[10:56] <carlos> is just the way we export it
[10:56] <asac> ok great
[10:56] <carlos> it makes more sense to do it in that way, instead of using msgctxt
[10:57] <asac> so if i import en-US.xpi/test.jar!some/path/file.dtd(translatable.key)
[10:57] <carlos> so if it fits your use case, that's better
[10:57] <asac> i can also import a translation that has de-DE.xpi/chrome/de.jar!some/file.dtd(translatable.key) ?
[10:59] <asac> carlos: (just to be sure)
[10:59] <carlos> yes
[11:00] <asac> cool
[11:14] <asac> carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/test.translations.tar.gz
[11:14] <asac> please take a look
[11:14] <asac> this is more or less what will happen
[11:14] <asac> firefox/ ha en-US.xpi with just those keys that firefox (without xulrunner) needs
[11:15] <asac> by de.xpi has firefox+xulrunner
[11:15] <asac> so in xulrunner/ there is only one .xpi
[11:16] <asac> is that good enough?
[11:21] <asac> carlos: i just reconnected ... did you get the test url?
[11:30] <asac_> carlos: got what i said above?
[11:30] <asac_> 12:14 < asac> carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/test.translations.tar.gz
[11:30] <asac_> 12:14 < asac> please take a look
[11:30] <asac_> 12:14 -!- Channel #ubuntu-mozillateam created Wed Jan 10 09:49:30 2007
[11:30] <asac_> 12:14 < asac> this is more or less what will happen
[11:31] <asac_> 12:14 < asac> firefox/ ha en-US.xpi with just those keys that firefox (without xulrunner) needs
[11:31] <asac_> 12:14 < asac> by de.xpi has firefox+xulrunner
[11:31] <asac_> 12:15 < asac> so in xulrunner/ there is only one .xpi
[11:31] <asac_> 12:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu-mozillateam was synced in 133 secs
[11:31] <asac_> 12:16 < asac> is that good enough?
[11:31] <asac_> 12:21 < asac> carlos: i just reconnected ... did you get the test url?
[11:31] <carlos> ok, just give me 15 minutes to finish something and I will take a look, ok?
[11:31] <asac_> sure
[11:31] <asac_> just wasn't sure what you got because you reconnected and i reconnected as well ;)
[11:39] <asac__> damn connection
[12:09] <carlos> asac: actually, is better if you copy the translations into xulrunner directory
[12:39] <asac> carlos: why? that would happen manually anyways
[12:40] <carlos> asac: manually?
[12:40] <carlos> asac: if you copy the translations, it can be autoapproved automatically and I don't need to copy it by hand...
[12:42] <asac> carlos: we don't have the translations
[12:42] <asac> i just put that in that tarball for your convenience right now
[12:42] <asac> later we have to copy them from ftpü
[12:43] <asac> (e.g. thy are not in the source tree)
[12:43] <asac> we can write an automization for that though
[12:43] <carlos> ok, so you will not provide any translation
[12:43] <asac> not for the core apps
[12:43] <carlos> but we should use what we discussed a while ago, direct fetch from mozilla's ftp server
[12:43] <asac> for extensions it might happen
[12:43] <carlos> ok, that's fine
[12:44] <asac> yeah ... lets get the general process right
[12:44] <carlos> I was not sure whether that still applies here
[12:44] <asac> auto synching won'tbe hard
[12:44] <carlos> I know
[12:44] <asac> ok :)
[12:45] <asac> carlos: anyway ... from our lats discussion i thought that we import the translation twice: e.g. 1. xulrunner + 2. firefox
[12:45] <asac> is that still okay?
[12:45] <carlos> yeah
[12:45] <asac> ok great
[12:45] <carlos> is just that I was not sure whether the translation was coming from your packages or direct ftp download
[12:45] <asac> okay
[12:46] <asac> maybe at some point i can produce them from source ... but not for hardy
[12:46] <carlos> indeed
[13:10] <asac> carlos: you think we could do a test upload of those .xpis to your local system today?
[13:10] <carlos> I hope it, yes
[13:10] <asac> (and maybe even export the .po so we can start writing the .po -> .xpi script?
[13:10] <asac> )
[13:10] <asac> cool
[14:01]  * armin76 looks at asac
[14:01] <armin76> you didn't pay?  :P
[14:02] <asac> unfortunately money is not the issue here
[14:02] <asac> (well except if you consider 2000 EUR per month a viable optoin)
[15:34] <asac> carlos: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=91920&package_id=97082
[15:34] <asac> is that the tool that required a special .po file syntax?
[16:03] <asac__> carlos: you wrote anything (internet connection is flaky)
[16:03] <asac__> ?
[16:07] <armin76> nope
[16:07] <asac__> thanks
[16:08] <carlos> asac__: no, sorry, I didn't answer yet
[16:08] <carlos> asac__: that's the tool we use for OO.org
[16:08] <asac__> carlos: k ... but that moz2po didn't work because of special po file requirements?
[16:08] <carlos> and which produces an slightly different .po file format that we produce
[16:08] <carlos> asac__: we were not able to do the full process
[16:09] <carlos> to move from xpi to .po file and back to xpi
[16:09] <asac> ok
[16:09] <carlos> in an easy and scriptable way
[16:09] <carlos> we do it for oo.org, though
[16:09] <carlos> that's why we are not using it for Mozilla applications
[16:22] <asac_> sorry ... off again
[16:22] <asac_> carlos: if you manage to export the .po for the xpis i gave you please send them by mail
[16:23] <asac_> i will do something else for the next hours now ... connection is too bad
[16:23] <asac_> be back in a few hours
[16:52] <carlos> asac: I'm not sure whether I would be able to get them ready today, too many things running at the same time...
[19:08] <Ubulette> hi
[19:10] <asac> hi
[19:10] <Ubulette> asac, any news about cairo ?
[19:14] <asac> let me ask
[19:15] <asac> hmm seb is off
[19:15] <Ubulette> i've sent you an email earlier today
[19:16] <asac> i know ... and i had it on my list ;)
[19:17] <asac> asked lool for now
[19:25] <Ubulette> k
[19:27] <asac> carlos_: ok.
[19:28] <armin76> what's up with cairo? :)


[03:33] <joejoe> Hellp
[03:34] <joejoe> how is everyone? i need help getting started in java. anyone have online resources i might be able to use
[07:08] <danwe> Good Morning, Does anyone of you UbuntuStudio users had been asked to upgrade his LTS? Im waiting for my software updater to prompt me the question and nothing happens. also via Terminal. someone has a clue? many thanks
[07:16] <cfhowlett> will not appear until 16.04.1
[08:40] <zequence> danwe: If you want to upgrade now, please make sure to have backed up your stuff first, then in a terminal 'do-release-upgrade'
[09:11] <zequence> danwe: If you want to try the new package selection, you may want to try the live ISO, and then do a fresh install instead. Otherwise, you'll be getting new packages added to your old ones. Some have been replaces over the years.
[09:32] <Hobbyboy> OvenWerks: on http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ubuntustudio/
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[10:11] <olinuxx> great contribution, thanks :)
[10:37] <ssqatc> hi i have problem in apt-get update
[10:45] <zequence> ssqatc: What kind of problem?
[10:49] <ssqatc> a message like this :
[10:49] <ssqatc> W: Target DEP-11 (restricted/dep11/Components-amd64.yml) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:8
[10:50] <ssqatc> and the apt-get process doesn't complete
[11:00] <zequence> ssqatc_: Have you changed something in the file /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:00] <zequence> Sure it doesn't complete?
[11:04] <ssqatc_> no i didn't i installed the xenial and run the sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[11:51] <michael__> hi
[11:53] <Guest22775> thanks for the armhf packages for xenial. I am right now installing ubuntu studio on my rpi3 :)
[12:31] <EDinNY> Any ideas why my camera mounted in 14.04, but on in 16.04?
[12:32] <Guest22775> is v4l installed?
[12:33] <EDinNY> v4l?  is that v4 and the letter L?
[12:33] <Guest22775> video for linux
[12:33] <EDinNY> It is a digital camera.  I expect it to be mounted as a drive
[12:34] <Guest22775> can you use /dev/video0 via vlc?
[12:35] <EDinNY> No, Guest22775, I am trying to pull JPGs off my digital camera
[12:35] <EDinNY> Real low-tech stuff!
[12:36] <EDinNY> Syslog says: mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'
[12:36] <Guest22775> ah, mtp or something like that, no realtime video ...
[12:37] <EDinNY> Just trying to pull in the pictures from yesterday!
[12:37] <EDinNY> mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'
[12:37] <Guest22775> aren't there tools for exfat to install?
[12:37] <EDinNY> checking that now
[12:38] <Guest22775> exfat-fuse
[12:38] <EDinNY> just found that, thanks
[12:38] <Guest22775> exfat-utils
[12:39] <EDinNY> Got it!
[12:39] <EDinNY>  sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[12:40] <Guest22775> or sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[12:40] <Guest22775> apt is nearly new
[12:44] <Guest22775> will WebcamStudio be supported in Ubuntu Studio in the future?
[12:56] <Guest22775> ok, another question, are some kernel guys here? i have problems with btrfs. esspacialy to mount an btrfs formated sd-card for xbian. error with option 10 or something like that, is that a known bug?
[13:05] <studio-user386> qualcuno parla italiano?
[13:06] <studio-user386> ffdiaporama problemi codificaù
[13:31] <zequence> Guest22775: xbian? Sound more like a question for xbian people. We don't directly have anything to do with rasberry PI development here. It's all third party, AFAIK
[13:33] <Guest22775> the problem is the kernel in ubuntu, not in xbian ... ubuntu kernel do not support all btrfs options
[13:38] <Guest22775> damnit, now i got problems with dependencies in Ubuntu Studio on my rpi3 :( /var/cache/apt/archives/calligra-libs_1%3a2.9.7-0ubuntu12_armhf.deb is making trouble ...
[13:48] <zequence> Guest22775: As said, we don't do any raspberry pi development here. You could ask about btrfs on a more generic channel as well, like #ubuntu
[13:50] <Guest22775> but armhf?
[13:51] <zequence> Guest22775: Ubuntu Studio doesn't support armhf yet, though Ubuntu does
[13:51] <Guest22775> ?
[13:51] <zequence> All the packages are in the same archive, but we don't have any testing or support for Ubuntu Studio packages in armhf
[13:52] <Guest22775> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/0.154
[13:52] <Guest22775> there is armhf listed
[13:53] <zequence> Guest22775: Packages are built for all archs, but we don't test them for any other arch than i386 and amd64. I.e we have no support for anything else
[13:54] <zequence> We also only have install mediums for those two archs for the same reason
[13:54] <Guest22775> so for what are you bilding armhf, just for fun?
[13:54] <zequence> Not we. Canonical
[13:54] <Guest22775> ahh
[13:54] <Guest22775> ok
[13:54] <Guest22775> sorry
[13:54] <zequence> np
[14:01] <Guest22775> zequence, a general question about Ubuntu Studio and the low-latency-Kernel, why aren't you using a rt-Kernel? i've seen, that there are patches for stretch (debian) ...
[14:15] <Guest22775> hmm, how do i fix my problem with the missing dependencies? sudo apt-get -f install do not fix it ...
[14:41] <OvenWerks> Guest22775: RT kernel breaks a lot of people's gpu drivers. Lowlatency is good enough for most uses.
[14:42] <OvenWerks> Guest22775: you may not be able to fix those deps on a Pi. The missing packages may just not be available.
[14:42] <zequence> Guest22775: Debian has its own kernel maintainenance apart from Ubuntu. We introduced the linux-lowlatency, as it requires no patch and is simpler to maintain
[14:48] <OvenWerks> Guest22775: webcamstudio is not in the ubuntu archives, only through a PPA. The normal stream is to first get it packaged and into debian repos and then ask for a sync to ubuntu repos
[14:48] <Guest22775> i thought rt-kernel in linux is dead, only living in android and other enbedded devices. but after some research i was happy to see it again on stretch. therfore i was wondering, that ubuntu is not going the same way ...
[14:49] <OvenWerks> RT on android? I would suggest the android HW is not really RT capable...
[14:50] <OvenWerks> most of the RT code and patches are already in the mainline lernel by now. This is what lowlatency is based on.
[14:50] <Guest22775> i was reading android-kernel is also using rt. isn't it?
[14:51] <OvenWerks> Guest22775: it may be, but the question is still if the HW is really able to make use of the RT code... or to put it another way, does the RT code actually give the android lowlatency performance?
[14:52] <zequence> Guest22775: Debian has been using the rt patch for quite some time, but they don't always release the kernel. Haven't since wheezy. And, it's not the most suitable for audio anyway
[14:52]  * OvenWerks has found the adroid latency to be very poor.
[14:55] <Guest22775> OvenWerks, i never produced audio under Android, Android is not my choice. zequence, the discussion about rt-kernel is "nearly" new, many peoples forgot what it is/was ...
[14:55] <OvenWerks> The RPi has similar problems for audio, it is not really a good lowlatency platform because the audio HW is poled, there is no irq. Latency suffers. The beaglebone is better: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/423153472/bela-an-embedded-platform-for-low-latency-interact
[14:57] <OvenWerks> Guest22775: in my case, with the low latency kernel I can operate at the lowest latency my audio interface is capable of (.7ms) already. WHat would I gain from RT?
[14:57] <Guest22775> OvenWerks, a friend of mine got a scarlett 2i4, i'd like to test it with the rpi under ubuntu studio. under ubuntu studio x64 it is working fine ...
[14:57] <OvenWerks> RT kernel is not a silver bullet.
[15:14] <antto> how do i check out what my video card is?
[15:15] <antto> (this computer was given to me, no idea what's inside)
[15:15] <Guest22775> hwinfo ?
[15:16] <Guest22775> lspci
[15:19] <antto> "Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[15:20] <sirriffsalot> zequence, any drums? :D
[15:23] <Guest22775> more easy: lshw -c video
[15:24] <zequence> sirriffsalot: I said in a week, didn't I :)?
[15:24] <sirriffsalot> zequence, oh, I missed that... sorry
[15:24] <zequence> I'm pretty busy until Wednesday, so may be I won't have time until after that
[15:25] <zequence> Will have a look as soon as I get to the studio.
[15:25] <sirriffsalot> Cheers :)
[15:32] <zequence> antto: lspci | grep VGA
[15:32] <zequence> Seems like Intel of some kind from that line you posted
[15:33] <antto> yeah, but that's the most information i got
[15:33] <EDinNY> which  flashplugin-installer should I be using?
[15:54] <zequence> EDinNY: Think there's only one. You get all of that non-free stuff in a single package - ubuntu-restricted-extras, if you want to have that. In a terminal: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:38] <lukas_> hallo
[18:55] <studio-user669> tag
[18:55] <studio-user669> kann mir hier jemand helfen ein nas laufwerk einzubinden
[18:56] <krytarik> !de | studio-user669


[01:26] <axw> hallyn: hmm. I think you may need to set it in your environment too, to affect the client process. i.e. env http_proxy=... juju ...
[01:37] <axw> hallyn: BTW I'm waiting on a license to test against ESXi 5.1. the free version is too crippled to work with Juju
[01:38] <axw> hallyn: from the looks of things so far, though, changing to hardware version 8 will be fine
[02:45] <hallyn> axw: hm.  seems like no matter what i try, i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/25711441/ .  trying with http_proxy in env too now, though it does also need to respect no_proxy
[02:46] <axw> no_proxy should be honoured
[04:12] <hallyn> nope, i just keep getting the same thing...
[04:12] <hallyn> "vm '*' not found" seems like it would stem from some confusion
[04:23] <hallyn> axw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25711792/
[04:26] <axw> hallyn: yep, I don't know what that's about. can you please try 2.3-beta1? there have been significant changes to the vsphere provider since 2.0.2
[04:27] <hallyn> axw: waht the...
[04:27] <hallyn> i installed from snap intending to have 2.3-beta1
[04:32] <axw> hallyn: $PATH order I guess?
[04:32] <axw> oh, or maybe you just need to specify --edge
[04:33] <hallyn> i did sudo snap install juju --beta --classic
[04:34] <hallyn> ah yes /snap/bin/juju is 2.3-beta1
[04:34] <axw> beta, that's the one
[04:34] <hallyn> looking better
[04:34] <hallyn> things are being done
[04:35] <hallyn> juju-vmdks are being uploaded
[04:35] <axw> hallyn: is this with ESXi 5.1?
[04:35] <hallyn> oh, no.  this is with a DC that only has my lone 6.0 :(
[04:36] <hallyn> i'll re-try with a 5.1 added in later, if this works
[04:36] <chamar> curious, is it with the free ESXi version?
[04:36] <axw> hallyn: ok cool. you'll need to modify the source (OVF) though for that
[04:37] <hallyn> chamar: i don't think so.  there's licenses at any rate.  (i inherited the lab...)
[04:37] <axw> chamar: I tried with vSphere Hypervisor 5.1 earlier, doesn't work. Juju wants to create folders and clone VMs, which apparently don't work with the free version
[04:38] <chamar> Thanks.  Got the same result with the free hypervisor.  sadly.
[04:39] <chamar> there's feature that are not available / enabled.  Same goes with MAAS... ho well.
[04:40] <chamar> hum. removing a kubernetes-worker unit.. works well.  except it still appears in the k8s dashboard..humm
[04:48] <hallyn> axw: so is there any point in trying with a 5.1?
[04:48] <hallyn> sounds like no
[04:48] <axw> hallyn: not without source changes, no
[04:52] <axw> hallyn: did bootstrap complete on 6.0?
[04:59] <hallyn> still running
[05:00] <hallyn> axw: not without source changes to make it not try to upload the files, or do i really only need to change the min machine type?  (not sure based on waht you were telling chamar)
[05:01] <axw> hallyn: just changing vmx-10 to vmx-8. the other stuff was to do with the free version
[05:01] <hallyn> axw: ok, i'll hopefully try that this week then.  one holdup has been trying to find hte actualy source package to pull-lp-source :)
[05:02] <hallyn> or am i gonna have to learn how to do the snap thing
[05:03] <axw> hallyn: git clone https://github.com/juju/juju/, then: make JUJU_MAKE_GODEPS=true install
[05:03] <axw> requires go 1.8+
[05:04] <axw> develop branch will become 2.3-beta2
[05:05] <hallyn> cool thanks
[05:07]  * hallyn sets up a build env
[05:09] <hallyn> say, can no_proxy be a subnet?
[05:14] <axw> hallyn: from 2.3-beta1 onwards, yes: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7885
[05:15] <axw> I suspect there's some gotchas when it comes to external processes though, when juju shells out to wget/curl/etc., because it's non-standard
[05:20] <hallyn> axw: nifty
[05:22] <hallyn> ok, juju build going.  can i just scp the built ~/go/bin/juju over, or do i needmore?
[05:35] <hallyn> well the other juju bootstrap is still going.  new juju is built - i assume i'll have to rebootstrap?
[05:35] <hallyn> will deal with it in the morning
[05:35] <hallyn> thanks axw!
[05:35] <hallyn> \o
[05:36] <axw> hallyn: no worries, let me know if I can help any more. you'll need to scp the juju and jujud binaries, and yes you'll need to rebootstrap
[05:37] <axw> hallyn: (I assume you mean scp to wherever you're bootstrapping from - you can't just just copy over the top of the binaries in a bootstrapped environment)
[05:38] <axw> also, seems like a long time for bootstrap - might be borked. if you can ssh to the VM, /var/log/cloud-init-output.log should tell you what's happening
[05:38] <axw> assuming it got that far
[10:01] <xavpaice> is there any way for an lxd unit to know what the hostname of it's parent host is?  Would be handy for exporting nagios checks.
[14:26] <hallyn> axw: /var/log/cloud-init-output.log on which ohst?
[15:17] <bdx> on CMR, what things do we want to relate across models, should we only be concerned with logical groupings?
[15:18] <bdx> for example
[15:18] <bdx> I have an web application deployed to web-app-model, and a monitoring stack deployed to monitoring-model
[15:19] <bdx> rick_h: for example, lets say I have the prometheus monitoring stack described in your blog deployed to monitoring bundle
[15:19] <bdx> so I have this telegraf subordinate component
[15:20] <rick_h> bdx: so mentally (and you can see it based on the status output) we think folks will basically have SaaS-like setups
[15:20] <bdx> part of me wants to deploy telegraf to my "web-app-model", and make the CMR to prometheus in the "monitoring-model"
[15:20] <rick_h> so a model will be the bits needed to offer up a SaaS endpoint (or DBaaS) and such
[15:20] <rick_h> bdx: exactly
[15:21] <rick_h> bdx: so you want the subordinate on each thing (many) but only one prometheus gathering the data
[15:21] <bdx> the other part of me wants to deploy telegraf to the "monitoring-model", and make the CMR from the web server in web-app-model to telegraf in the "monitoring-model"
[15:21] <bdx> rick_h: missing the point
[15:21] <bdx> rick_h: see what I'm saying
[15:22] <rick_h> bdx: k, sec sorry otp with folks on your models issue and trying to do two things at once
[15:22] <bdx> ok, no rush
[15:22] <bdx> lol thx
[15:26] <rick_h> bdx: there might be a temp way to improve your models call until we can get some  updates into juju-core and new releases/etc. So was just seeing how we can make that happen.
[15:26] <rick_h> bdx: but ok, phone over. /me rereads
[15:27] <rick_h> bdx: so, I think that you'd put telegraf in the webapp model
[15:27] <rick_h> bdx: you want that model to say that things are in fact being wired up to be monitored. telegraf is installed on each of those machines. It's a subordinate and does not effect the number of VMs and such in the web-app-models
[15:28] <bdx> totally
[15:28] <rick_h> bdx: and it'll be a LOT easier to see which future models have telegraf setup vs not
[15:28] <rick_h> bdx: that's how my brain thinks anyway.
[15:28] <bdx> right
[15:29] <bdx> rick_h: so, the way I was thinking about it was, if a user needs something monitored, I just grant access to the telegraf:juju-info endpoints
[15:29] <bdx> to that user
[15:29] <bdx> telegraf is already related to prometheus in the monitoring-model
[15:29] <rick_h> bdx: thinking...for some reason I really don't like subordinate realtions over CMR...but I'm not 100% sure why
[15:30] <bdx> so then I could essentially gate which users could monitor things by granting access to the telegraf:juju-info endpoint
[15:30] <bdx> yeah, feel you on that
[15:30] <bdx> rick_h: possibly because we want the charm to live on the controller for which model its being deployed into
[15:30] <rick_h> bdx: so...but at that point you're locked into telegraf
[15:30] <rick_h> bdx: vs just "send stuff to prometheus"
[15:30] <bdx> ahh, I see
[15:31] <bdx> yeah
[15:31] <rick_h> bdx: so if you used anything else, you'd need those setup as well
[15:31] <bdx> totally
[15:31] <rick_h> bdx: I think it's because prometheus is basically a database. I'd want to control access to the DB, not which apps are already wired to the DB
[15:32] <bdx> entirely
[15:32] <bdx> that makes sense
[15:32] <rick_h> bdx: so I think what you're asking "would work" but it just feels really off in my head
[15:32] <bdx> yeah, its does now for me too
[15:32] <bdx> rick_h: thanks for being the voice of reason here
[15:32]  * rick_h writes that down on the calendar "voice of reason!" :P
[15:33] <bdx> I'm hooking up my first live CMR deploy with monitoring decoupled from the web app stuff, and the db decoupled from the web app stuff too, pretty exciting this is finally happening
[15:34] <bdx> I'm expecting it all to work, 1st try, using beta2
[15:34] <bdx> jp
[15:34] <bdx> :)
[15:34] <bdx> high hopes
[15:34] <bdx> ^^
[15:36] <rick_h> bdx: know that the prometheus charm needs an update to use the new netwokring stuff. I'm working on tests against charm-helpers to add the tooling for it
[15:36] <bdx> ohhhh niceee
[15:38] <bdx> rick_h: thats separate from CMR though right? or are they linked? like if you use CMR then you have to use the new network-get too?
[15:40] <rick_h> bdx: so if you relate telegraf to prometheus over CMR, prometheus needs to use the public IP vs the 10.x one of the vm
[15:40] <rick_h> bdx: right now the prometheus charm asks for the relation-get private address
[15:40] <rick_h> bdx: vs using network-get -r and that will be CMR aware and provide a public address
[15:45] <stub> rick_h: I'd say that subordinates, by definition, are in the same container as their primary. And splitting the container over two models seems wrong.
[15:45] <rick_h> stub: +1
[15:47] <bdx> rick_h: that makes sense
[15:48] <bdx> rick_h: what about the scenario where the models are in the same vpc
[15:48] <bdx> ooooh
[15:48] <bdx> I see, thats where the new network-get functionality comes in
[15:49] <bdx> you can now make your charm choose which network interface to get the relation info for, so if you want to set the private interface info, then you can
[15:50] <rick_h> bdx: right, so network-get is all "bindings aware" and provides more full featured network dump
[15:50] <rick_h> bdx: so if I can get this test to pass I'll have a PR for new network_get() charmhelper to use for that
[15:52] <bdx> oh nice, I think I see .... what you are working on is a wrapper in charmhelpers for the new network-get that will allow us to access the new functionality via the python api
[15:52] <bdx> but is that only for "bindings", or does it differentiate between public vs private address too?
[15:53] <bdx> e.x. aws instance
[15:53] <bdx> deployed to an a subnet in which it gets a public ip
[15:54] <bdx> will have an private and public address, but may not use bindings, and may not be deployed to spaces via constraint
[15:55] <bdx> then deploy another charm to another model (in the same vpc/private address space, just a different model) and relate those two charms via CMR
[15:56] <bdx> what will happen? how do I control this?
[15:56] <rick_h> bdx: https://github.com/pmatulis/juju-docs/blob/00f06dfa4f62020e5598253f0b066af9610df032/src/en/developer-network-primitives.md
[15:56] <rick_h> bdx: making up some lunchables so in and out atm but give that a read
[15:57] <rick_h> bdx: so in the meantime, you have to manually edit the prometheus config with the proper addresses for prometheus to reach telegraf across models...but hopefully that's not true by the EOD today
[15:57] <bdx> nice, so your wrapper will basically give us access to all of the things that I'm concerned about I think
[15:57] <bdx> great
[15:58] <pmatulis> rick_h, https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-network-primitives :)
[15:58] <rick_h> bdx: right
[15:58] <rick_h> pmatulis: ty :)
[15:58] <rick_h> Had the tab open a while. Heh
[15:58] <pmatulis> ha ha
[16:06] <bdx> so
[16:06] <bdx> "Both ingress address and egress subnets may vary depending on the relation. This is because if the relation is cross model, the ingress address is the public / floating address of the unit to allow ingress from outside the model. And a given relation may see traffic originate from different egress subnets."
[16:07] <rick_h> bdx: exactly
[16:07] <bdx> rick_h: ok, so this better exposes what I'm concerned about
[16:07] <bdx> "if the relation is cross model, the ingress address is the public / floating address of the unit"
[16:08] <rick_h> So what we need to do is test this out and make sure in a vpc it behaves
[16:08] <bdx> rick_h: so a common network setup/use case I use is to have multiple models in the same vpc
[16:08] <rick_h> bdx: and file bugs and feedback during the betas on it
[16:09] <bdx> right
[16:09] <rick_h> If I follow your concern through
[16:09] <bdx> like, I want to monitor things from one model to the next
[16:09] <bdx> I don't want default talk over WAN
[16:09] <rick_h> Yea, and no expose anything in the internet you don't have to
[16:09] <bdx> "if the relation is cross model, the ingress address is the public / floating address of the unit"
[16:09] <rick_h> +1 so we've got to help test and build clear rules for how juju can"do the right thing"
[16:10] <rick_h> bdx: that might involve specifying binding of endpoints to put things together clearly
[16:10] <bdx> for me this means all of my monitoring cross talk and database <-> web app cross talk that I want to stay inside the vpc will automatically be forced over the wan if its CMR
[16:11] <bdx> righ
[16:12] <bdx> possibly^ is worded incorrectly
[16:12] <rick_h> bdx: so what I'm saying is that might be the default behavior.
[16:13] <bdx> oh
[16:13] <rick_h> bdx: but, if you deploy and bind the endpoints to the internal vpc networks
[16:13] <bdx> got it
[16:13] <rick_h> bdx: then perhaps that overrides the default WAN behavior?
[16:13] <bdx> I see
[16:13] <rick_h> bdx: so that's my "you might have to set things up more clearly"
[16:13] <bdx> ok, I'm tracking
[16:13] <rick_h> bdx: and if that's failing, then we file bugs and ask wallyworld to help us out :)
[16:13] <bdx> got it
[16:14] <rick_h> bdx: so mentally, I'd expect it to WAN so that working > * as a default behavior.
[16:14] <bdx> right
[16:14] <rick_h> bdx: but that manually targeting the network paths through endpoint binding would do what an experienced user wants to be done
[16:14]  * rick_h starts disclaimer'ing that he's not tested that out atm though....sooo....
[17:02] <rick_h> any charmer folks know what error I'm getting here? https://pastebin.canonical.com/200266/
[17:02] <rick_h> kwmonroe: ^
[18:52] <cory_fu> rick_h: What channel of charm-tools are you using?
[18:53] <rick_h> cory_fu: I'm trying to use a custom build to test out the PR https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/20 in a charm
[18:54] <rick_h> cory_fu: so I did a make source in charmhelpers, updated the wheelhouse charmhelpers tar.gz to try to use my patched version
[18:54] <rick_h> cory_fu: maybe there's an easier path but not sure how this balance works out
[18:54] <cory_fu> rick_h: A custom build of charm-tools to test a charm-helpers change?
[18:55] <rick_h> cory_fu: sorry, for charm-tools I'm using edge channel of charm
[18:59] <rick_h> cory_fu: so I just did a charm pull prometheus and attempted to build it. I ended up doing a --no-local-layers --force to get it working enough to move forward.
[19:00] <cory_fu> rick_h: So, from your pastebin, it's picking up the current directory as the source of the prometheus interface layer for some reason
[19:00] <cory_fu> rick_h: (Note the "(from .)" at the end of the pastebin)
[19:00] <rick_h> cory_fu: yea, I wasn't sure why there. I tried to unset the interfaces path
[19:00] <rick_h> cory_fu: but it continues to think so
[19:01] <cory_fu> It might actually be because you *don't* have INTERFACES_PATH set.  I'm going to test that.
[19:01] <cory_fu> We should probably just skip any local interface layers if the path isn't set
[19:01] <cory_fu> Or have better detection about what local path is an interface path
[19:01] <rick_h> cory_fu: so originally it was set to my interfaces path, but to build this charm I didn't need any so I unset it in an effort to make it work out.
[19:02] <cory_fu> Nope, having it unset does the right thing for me, too
[19:02] <rick_h> cory_fu: k, I'm feeling my way through the best practices on working on these tools/charms and stumbling a bit. I assume I'm holding it wrong so curious what folks say when I hit stuff
[19:02] <cory_fu> What was set to your interfaces path?
[19:03] <rick_h> export INTERFACE_PATH=$JUJU_REPOSITORY/interfaces
[19:03] <rick_h> echo $JUJU_REPOSITORY
[19:03] <rick_h> /home/rharding/src/charms
[19:03] <cory_fu> Yeah, that should be fine.  You don't have the prometheus charm checked out in that interfaces sub directory, do you?
[19:03] <rick_h> and the charm is in the charms directory ".../charms/prometheus"
[19:05] <cory_fu> rick_h: Ah!  That let me reproduce it.  I have my layers in a layers subdir (e.g., ~/charms/layers/prometheus).  Putting it directly into JUJU_REPOSITORY causes it to break
[19:05] <rick_h> cory_fu: no, the only interface in the interfaces path is grafana-source. No other directories in there
[19:05] <rick_h> cory_fu: oic, so yea holding it different than everyone else :)
[19:05]  * rick_h has to run to get the boy from school, biab
[19:05] <cory_fu> rick_h: I'll open a bug for this
[19:06] <cory_fu> It should definitely be doing the right thing here and it's not
[19:07] <zeestrat> cory_fu: are you the right person to bother for some questions regarding charm tools?
[19:15] <zeestrat> I am having a bit of a hard time figuring out the intended/preferred way to use charm tools when developing some charms in regards to which distribution/version to use. Asked on the mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2017-October/009553.html) but not much luck.
[19:37] <cory_fu> zeestrat: marcoceppi would probably be better to answer that question, because I'm not really clear on the versioning there, either.  I suspect that the versioning has just fallen out of maintenance since we moved to snaps as the preferred deployment and snap revisions already handle that need to some degree, but it definitely needs to be cleaned u
[19:37] <cory_fu> p.
[20:00] <rick_h> cory_fu: kwmonroe is there a way to get the relation_ids just from juju run xxxx ?
[20:20] <cory_fu> rick_h: juju run --unit <unit/0> -- relation-ids <endpoint-name>
[20:21] <rick_h> cory_fu: gotcha ty
[20:21] <rick_h> cory_fu: I figured they looked numeric and started with 0 and then 1 and found it :)
[20:24] <zeestrat> cory_fu: Thanks. I'll try to ping him then. I'm already using the snaps in my dev environment which works great, but when I try to run some tests with bundletester as recommended in https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/developer-testing, bundletester pulls and old charm-tools from PyPI which is a bit frustrating. How are y'all testing these charms with bundletester?
[21:31] <rick_h> cory_fu: for getting a review and feedback on https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/20/files is there anything I should do?
[21:31] <rick_h> cory_fu: that's going to hold up changes to the prometheus charm to leverage the updated networking information.
[21:47] <cory_fu> zeestrat: Sorry for the delayed response.  marcoceppi will update PyPI to fix bundletester and we'll look in to getting things updated to be more consistent.
[21:47] <cory_fu> rick_h: Merged
[21:49] <rick_h> cory_fu: ty


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